| 00:00.15 | petemc | xarragon: fwiw, if you're careful, you can run testing/unstable without too much breaking, but you cant expect to upgrade every package and not have something break |
| 00:00.35 | gravity | xarragon: Are you just letting the upgrade run willy-nilly every time on testing? |
| 00:00.55 | gravity | dist-upgrade 'n go? |
| 00:00.57 | xarragon | No, I hardly ever upgrade because something usually shits itself. |
| 00:01.04 | TonyRad | Hello. I'm having a small problem with my samba server. For some odd reason I can't get my permissions set correctly. Does anybody know which config file I need to edit to change my permissions correctly? |
| 00:01.09 | marco13185 | gravity, how do you usually do it? |
| 00:01.24 | magyar | what is the name for the command that will let you prevent a file from being deleted? |
| 00:01.25 | xarragon | But now I can't get the 'nvidia-glx-dev' package, so I can't develop my OpenGL-application. |
| 00:01.36 | petemc | TonyRad: /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 00:01.42 | peppet | petemc: with unrar e you lose (relative, not absolute) directory tree |
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| 00:02.05 | petemc | peppet: ive had it barf on me on numerous occaisions |
| 00:02.11 | gravity | marco13185: I use aptitude in interactive mode. I update first and look at everything it's going to change. I make sure to put things on hold I'm not sure about before going ahead. Then, I also have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges running so I see all the changelogs and RC bugs on the packages being altered. I make sure everything is good before I actually let the install go. |
| 00:02.15 | TonyRad | petemc: that's the one I was looking at.. but it doesn't seem to be doing much to help |
| 00:02.31 | htrp | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so", |
| 00:02.35 | htrp | what is this? |
| 00:02.40 | gravity | marco13185: Just letting it go straight ahead is insane, but I've been running unstable for the past 6 years straight and being careful has been the only way I've been able to do it |
| 00:03.09 | marco13185 | gravity, will checking http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable also help? |
| 00:03.19 | gravity | marco13185: I guess |
| 00:03.20 | htrp | what do i need? |
| 00:03.38 | gravity | marco13185: I don't know how often that's updated. Consider that a secondary measure though |
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| 00:03.40 | TonyRad | I guess it would probably better worded this way... I have the one folder set correctly.. but I need it to cascade the permissions to the folders below that folder as well |
| 00:04.02 | marco13185 | gravity, because the reason I went ahead and installed pure debian is because knoppix kept shitting itself everytime I'd dist-upgrade (I'd change sources.list) |
| 00:04.35 | gravity | marco13185: Well, I really don't recommend doing a dist-upgrade without being careful about what it's doing. The tools to prevent a lot of fuckages are out there, use them. |
| 00:04.41 | gravity | marco13185: They weren't always there :-) |
| 00:04.48 | marco13185 | hehe :D |
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| 00:04.51 | xarragon | I don't have time for that, I WORK with my system, I don't spend my life cuddling with it. Which is why I want stable, if that's the only way... |
| 00:05.07 | gravity | xarragon: That's definitely your best bet |
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| 00:05.34 | gravity | xarragon: Stable is built for people like you |
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| 00:06.01 | xarragon | gravity: Well, marco13185 didn't think so... |
| 00:06.07 | TonyRad | Any help for setting permissions to a folder in samba, and the folders created below it? |
| 00:06.14 | gravity | xarragon: That's his problem. Don't listen to version number junkies. Use what's right for you. |
| 00:06.16 | petemc | xarragon: different people have different opinions |
| 00:06.24 | ming | can someone tell me a qucik way to test out if my mic is working? |
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| 00:06.39 | xarragon | It would be great if there was something between testing and stable, being updated about every 2 monts or so... |
| 00:06.52 | gravity | xarragon: Backports.org may be your best bet |
| 00:06.54 | xarragon | months* |
| 00:06.55 | loradeusa | olá alguém pode me ajudar? |
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| 00:07.05 | gravity | !es |
| 00:07.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:07.15 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:07.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:07.24 | gravity | Heh, I couldn't tell |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | hostmask |
| 00:07.31 | petemc | ming: if you have gnome installed, it has a small mic app, cant remember the name offhand |
| 00:07.33 | gravity | Good call |
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| 00:07.38 | Jimerson | Can someone please tell me where the default page for apache2 is located. I have been searching all over apache's site and docs but cannot seem to find it. |
| 00:07.40 | loradeusa | please helpe me |
| 00:07.46 | xarragon | Well, if I did stop my bitching and decided to run testing (albeit be more careful with upgrades), how would one aquire a complete, working snapshot of my current environment? |
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| 00:08.00 | petemc | Jimerson: /etc/apache2/sites-enables/default-00 , or some such |
| 00:08.04 | abrotman | Jimerson: /var/www/ |
| 00:08.13 | loradeusa | hi |
| 00:08.23 | loradeusa | i' problem |
| 00:08.29 | Jimerson | Thank you very much abrotman |
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| 00:08.32 | unstable | !tell loradeusa about ask |
| 00:08.36 | ming | petemc: thanks i use kde but i figured it out |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | loradeusa: please use #debian-br |
| 00:08.51 | unstable | !tell loradeusa about br |
| 00:09.02 | gravity | xarragon: You'll want to use dpkg --get-selections to grab your package list and then later use dpkg --set-selections to set them again later |
| 00:09.19 | gravity | xarragon: You'll obviously want to back up your home dir, and your etc if you've customized it |
| 00:09.34 | unstable | loradeusa: type /join #debian-br in your irc client now(where you would type to us type this) |
| 00:09.35 | gravity | xarragon: That's probably it for the basics. You may have to do a little bit more work, I don't know what you've done to your system |
| 00:09.46 | Jimerson | abrotman don't I need to edit the config file or something before I delete all the files in there? |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | Jimerson: you want to know where the default locatgion is .. or where to set DocumentRoot ? |
| 00:10.25 | petemc | Jimerson: thats the document root, theres no config files in /var/ |
| 00:10.34 | marco13185 | xarragon, if you fix the problems now, you could change your distribution to stable and just wait for the packages to sync up |
| 00:10.37 | Jimerson | Ok. |
| 00:10.45 | unstable | loradeusa: Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br ( /join #debian-br ) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:10.49 | marco13185 | xarragon, but that'll leave you without updates for a while |
| 00:10.54 | abrotman | Jimerson: if you want to configure it .. /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-xxx or something |
| 00:11.04 | plasmid | hmm. |
| 00:11.11 | loradeusa | well is it is the first time that use well this and necessary of many information initially ok |
| 00:11.15 | plasmid | anyone comfortable with grub here? |
| 00:11.25 | unstable | !tell plasmid about anyone |
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| 00:11.29 | unstable | !tell plasmid about ask |
| 00:11.32 | plasmid | or uncomfortable. |
| 00:11.42 | plasmid | !confuse unstable |
| 00:11.42 | dpkg | Yes, those was your pineapple today, unstable? trousers of the people's republic of belarus with extra cheese |
| 00:11.48 | xarragon | marco13185: Yeah, I guess the browser and email would be the biggest issues... |
| 00:12.00 | abrotman | !tell witank about root |
| 00:12.07 | plasmid | how do I edit my /boot/grub/manual.lst file B4 loggin in? I borked the file.. in #kopf and I would like that to be commented. |
| 00:12.12 | marco13185 | xarragon, you could always download the deb files for those yourself. I'm not saying it's a good solution, but it'll save you the reinstall |
| 00:12.14 | loradeusa | ok I will be able yes to use br, but it has some difference? |
| 00:12.35 | plasmid | pressing "e" does nothing but spout rhetorical messages. no instructions. |
| 00:12.36 | unstable | plasmid: Use a livecd that supports the filesystem you are using with your Debian GNU/Linux machine? |
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| 00:12.52 | stoned | plasmid, I transferred you into a bacteria last night in biology lab ;) |
| 00:12.56 | loradeusa | ok |
| 00:12.56 | plasmid | unstable: i dont have a livecd but a netinstall cd? |
| 00:13.04 | plasmid | stoned: ahh good :-) |
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| 00:14.27 | loradeusa | I can first ask if somebody can help me for there for br? |
| 00:14.48 | plasmid | !tell loradeusa about somebody |
| 00:14.48 | abrotman | loradeusa: they speak portuguese in #debian-br |
| 00:14.57 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 00:14.57 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
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| 00:15.20 | plasmid | unstable: so i take it your answer is livecd not netinstall. |
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| 00:15.40 | loradeusa | I never used br as I make to also use it? |
| 00:15.50 | marco13185 | hmm, except cube (and sauerbraten) anyone know of some good FPS (lightweight) for debian? |
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| 00:16.18 | abrotman | loradeusa: /join #debian-br |
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| 00:16.31 | zinx | marco13185: lightweight? nope |
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| 00:17.07 | unstable | marco13185: I play TrueCombate:Elite which runs natively on Debian GNU/Linux ... --> http://tc.hanfacker.ch/pics/news/ingame_117.jpg |
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| 00:17.18 | loradeusa | necessary that somebody teaches to me to lower the bit torrent therefore mine it does not want to function |
| 00:17.19 | Chigvan | unstable, thanks, installed unrar with non-free and it works a charm, |
| 00:17.22 | ne0futur | hi all |
| 00:17.23 | marco13185 | zinx, not lightweight? ;) |
| 00:17.26 | D13GU___ | hi all! how to use CBQ in debian? |
| 00:17.34 | ne0futur | i cant startx from a console screen session |
| 00:17.35 | unstable | Chigvan: no problem |
| 00:17.41 | stoned | I play diablo 2 |
| 00:17.53 | stoned | I wish someone would make a free game based on d2 or something |
| 00:17.56 | ne0futur | says X: user not authorized to run the X server |
| 00:17.57 | plasmid | stoned: net diablo or just the game? |
| 00:18.02 | abrotman | stoned: you have vi on your system? |
| 00:18.06 | ne0futur | while this works if not in screen |
| 00:18.21 | stoned | no, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction hacknslash on windows. |
| 00:18.23 | stoned | abrotman, I can't code |
| 00:18.26 | plasmid | how do I edit my /boot/grub/manual.lst file B4 loggin in? I borked the file.. in #kopf and I would like that to be commented. I have a netinstall CD. = live CD ? |
| 00:18.39 | ne0futur | ( i want to do this to prenvent anyone from xtrl+c the console and have a login ) |
| 00:18.51 | marco13185 | unstable, it's hard to believe that that comes from a WW2 game, lol |
| 00:18.51 | plasmid | stoned: i can run diablo II on linux...but not the net game. |
| 00:18.54 | zinx | marco13185: <plug>enemy territory! :D</plug> (warning: free as in beer) |
| 00:18.54 | marco13185 | unstable, is it standalone? |
| 00:19.06 | ne0futur | this worked with mandrake so i dont understand why this dont work with debian |
| 00:19.13 | marco13185 | zinx, I'm not an OSS hippie, so I don't care |
| 00:19.24 | ming | unstable: i know now that my sound card and everything is detected, i have even my mic working, but i still get no sound from my speakers |
| 00:19.32 | stoned | plasmid, I don't play online. I play mods only. In fact, I am working on my mod right now, care to take a look? http://bungs.dontexist.com/d2/ <-- screenshot of progress so far |
| 00:19.35 | gravity | ne0futur: You can't run startx as a normal user? |
| 00:19.42 | gravity | ne0futur: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:19.45 | D13GU___ | how to implement bandwidth limit in debian? |
| 00:19.55 | Xinux | What is Debian ? |
| 00:19.57 | plasmid | stoned: mods? what's that? *u perked my interest* |
| 00:20.14 | mavric2001 | gnu linux |
| 00:20.34 | stoned | oh my god |
| 00:20.41 | D13GU___ | :) |
| 00:20.42 | stoned | plasmid, take a look at the screenshots I told you about |
| 00:20.53 | peppet | ming: disable mute ;) |
| 00:20.56 | ne0futur | gravity: stable |
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| 00:21.03 | ne0futur | i can |
| 00:21.06 | loradeusa | necessary that somebody teaches to me to lower the bit torrent therefore mine it does not want to function |
| 00:21.07 | plasmid | stoned: i did.. u are like level 99 and the skills look different.. |
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| 00:21.11 | seb- | is there some nice definitive source on apt-get? |
| 00:21.17 | seb- | nice book i mean? |
| 00:21.19 | ne0futur | but if i detach the screen no one can ctrl+c the startx |
| 00:21.24 | stoned | plasmid, http://www.d2mods.com |
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| 00:21.32 | gravity | ne0futur: What's the output of 'ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/X'? |
| 00:21.40 | ming | peppet: where can i do thaqt? |
| 00:21.44 | ne0futur | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7860 2005-09-02 00:44 /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 00:21.56 | gravity | Hrm, that should work |
| 00:21.57 | stoned | I am soon to have a website hosted with planetdiablo.com :) |
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| 00:22.04 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.09 | gravity | ne0futur: Perhaps |
| 00:22.14 | plasmid | stoned: what's the point of mods anyway? to make your skills look pretty with never seen icons? |
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| 00:22.17 | xerophyte | how can i tell dpkg to list all the files in the package dpkg -L cyrus-imapd-2.2 thats does not list all the files |
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| 00:22.21 | abrotman | seb-: a book about debian or just about apt-get > |
| 00:22.22 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:22.33 | plasmid | stoned: or is there more to it.. than that. |
| 00:22.35 | stoned | plasmid, no, much more than that. Totally convert the game |
| 00:22.39 | stoned | entirely new game play |
| 00:22.49 | stoned | entirely differnt skill systems, items, the whole shabang |
| 00:22.57 | stoned | just check www.d2mods.com, this is entirley offtopic |
| 00:23.02 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:23.02 | plasmid | stoned: even maps and monsters? |
| 00:23.02 | peppet | ming: in alsamixer press 'm' |
| 00:23.08 | stoned | plasmid, EVERYTHING |
| 00:23.08 | ming | thanks |
| 00:23.13 | plasmid | hmm.. |
| 00:23.18 | plasmid | stoned: great.. thanks. |
| 00:23.23 | xerophyte | how can i tell dpkg to list all the files in the package dpkg -L cyrus-imapd-2.2 thats does not list all the files |
| 00:23.29 | abrotman | what files are missing? |
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| 00:23.33 | abrotman | !tell xerophyte about repeat |
| 00:23.40 | rainy-day | hi folks |
| 00:23.43 | petemc | xerophyte: it should, how do you know it doesnt? |
| 00:23.50 | dvs | go away rainy-day ;-) |
| 00:24.01 | gravity | ne0futur: I'm not really familiar with screen. There may be some configuration option you need to set |
| 00:24.32 | ne0futur | ok gravity thanks anyway for your answers ;) |
| 00:24.47 | gravity | ne0futur: Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Good luck! |
| 00:24.50 | peppet | xerophyte: try removing version number |
| 00:24.53 | rainy-day | I have a question: I have a custom xmodmap file that changes capslock to escape, and it works fine, but every once in a while, about once in a half-hour, it gets restored back to original, i.e. caps lock being caps lock. Or it could be because of some key combination I use. I'm in gnome 2.12. Anyone know what's going on/how to fix? thx |
| 00:25.20 | rainy-day | dvs: ok but first help me :) |
| 00:25.24 | ne0futur | can anyone try to startx in a console screen session ? |
| 00:25.31 | xerophyte | peppet, dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `cyrus-imapd': No such file or directory |
| 00:25.36 | ne0futur | to see i'm not the only one with this pb |
| 00:26.10 | loradeusa | necessary that somebody teaches to me to lower the bit torrent therefore mine it does not want to function |
| 00:26.50 | rainy-day | to clarify: it could be that I hit some key combo that resets the xmodmap, because I think sometimes it happens more often than at other times, but I'm not sure.. |
| 00:27.12 | peppet | xerophyte: dpkg -L cyrus-imapd |
| 00:27.14 | gravity | ne0futur: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/34 seems to have a comment relevant to the situation |
| 00:27.41 | xerophyte | does anybody use postfix + cyrus-imapd if so could you guys give me the cyrus delivery line for the master.conf file for the postfix ??? i could not find the argv for the cyrus-imapd deliver |
| 00:27.46 | Jimerson | Php appears to be loaded on my server, its loaded in the modules under apache. However when I test a php page I just get shown the text. any suggestions? |
| 00:27.51 | xerophyte | peppet, that does not list all the file it will ist the directory |
| 00:28.03 | gravity | ne0futur: Ah, and the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/screen also |
| 00:28.04 | elirips | hello. i would like to make cdrecord setuid root, so i did a 'chmod 4711 /usr/bin/cdrecord', according to the manpage of cdrecord. but no none of the users has the right to execute cdrecord. what did i do wrong? |
| 00:28.08 | bbrazil | Jimerson: a2enmod php4 |
| 00:28.22 | Jimerson | This module is already enabled! |
| 00:28.28 | gravity | ne0futur: I'm guessing you need to make screen setuid root. It's not set by default due to security risks |
| 00:28.35 | bbrazil | Jimerson: did you restart apache? |
| 00:28.38 | Jimerson | yes. |
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| 00:28.49 | bbrazil | do you have a handler setup for .php? |
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| 00:29.05 | ne0futur | gravity: yes probably its this , thanks ;) |
| 00:29.13 | gravity | ne0futur: No problem. Good luck! |
| 00:29.31 | Jimerson | bbrazil please explain |
| 00:30.50 | bbrazil | Jimerson: in order to use mod_php, you need a content-handler for .php files |
| 00:31.10 | Jimerson | ok |
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| 00:31.50 | Gaaruto | hi |
| 00:32.12 | ne0futur | gravity: if i find time i'll try to traduce http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/34 to french ;) its very good ;) |
| 00:32.14 | Gaaruto | how to install nvidia on debian testing please ? |
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| 00:32.32 | dvs | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:32.32 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:32.39 | Jimerson | bbrazil could you please explain some more if you don't mind. I am still lost. |
| 00:32.41 | gravity | ne0futur: Cool. The site as a whole is very good. I highly recommend it |
| 00:33.05 | chealer | !tell Gaaruto about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 00:33.57 | chealer | Gaaruto: the guide needs an update due to the removal of the current NVIDIA graphics drivers from testing, but you can probably use the legacy drivers instead |
| 00:34.28 | k-man | is there a command line tool i can use for automaticaly downloading podcasts |
| 00:34.29 | k-man | ? |
| 00:34.49 | petemc | k-man: wget, its just xml and mp3 |
| 00:34.55 | Gaaruto | thanks |
| 00:34.58 | Nurbs | chealer: why have they been removed from testing? |
| 00:35.08 | Nurbs | chealer: I can see them in unstable still... |
| 00:35.13 | chealer | Nurbs: due to an RC bug >1 year old |
| 00:35.18 | Nurbs | heh |
| 00:35.20 | k-man | petemc, yeah... i mean something that will do it automaticaly and manage downloading new files when they are a available |
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| 00:35.23 | bbrazil | Jimerson: in order to differentiate bewteen different handlers (mod_php, mod_perl etc.) you must say that .php files are of type 'php'. Then you set the handler for type php to mod_php |
| 00:35.40 | petemc | k-man: dont know of anything, sorry |
| 00:35.42 | Jimerson | bbrazil and where do I do that at? |
| 00:35.44 | rainy-day | I have another question, about Vim: when I set :set nohls in .vimrc, I still get the option set on vim startup. The rest of vimrc works fine. I have to run :set nohls every time after startup... I'm using vim 6.4 |
| 00:35.47 | k-man | petemc, ok, thanks |
| 00:35.49 | bbrazil | Jimerson: the config fule |
| 00:35.53 | bbrazil | Jimerson: *file |
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| 00:36.03 | Jimerson | httpd? |
| 00:36.11 | chealer | Nurbs: yes, it's intended that they eventually reenter testing, but currently there are at least 3 RC bugs on them |
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| 00:37.46 | Jimerson | bbrazil sorry which config file are you talking about? |
| 00:37.52 | bbrazil | Jimerson: your apache config |
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| 00:38.04 | Jimerson | conf.d? |
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| 00:38.28 | ne0futur | same problem after chmod u+s /usr/bin/screen ;( |
| 00:39.43 | ming | my sound card is detected and working i think, but i still have no sound. i have unmuted everything in alsamixer already, can someone help me? |
| 00:40.04 | Jimerson | bbrazil is the conf.d the config file you are talking about? |
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| 00:40.22 | bbrazil | Jimerson: eh, that's a directory |
| 00:41.22 | shogunx | ming the speakers are plugged into the correct place on the sound card? |
| 00:41.28 | dvs | !lart shogunx |
| 00:41.38 | ming | yes they are |
| 00:41.49 | ming | my mic works, but not my sound |
| 00:42.02 | shogunx | dvs heh |
| 00:42.03 | Jimerson | bbrazil so what is the actual config file. I am new to this. |
| 00:42.08 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:42.16 | bbrazil | Jimerson: which version are you running? |
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| 00:42.21 | peppet | ming: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 00:42.22 | ming | these are actually head phones, but my laptop speakers dont work also when i unplug them |
| 00:42.35 | Jimerson | bbrazil 2 |
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| 00:42.47 | dvs | peppet: you scared him off! ;-) |
| 00:42.54 | peppet | dvs: ;) |
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| 00:43.26 | ming | shogun: sorry, i hit the wrong button |
| 00:43.43 | bbrazil | Jimerson: httpd.conf or apache2.conf is what you want then |
| 00:43.49 | shogunx | ming n/p |
| 00:44.03 | peppet | ming: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 00:44.05 | shogunx | ming have you tried playing some audio as root? |
| 00:44.11 | ming | shogun: how do i find out if it exsists? |
| 00:44.14 | Jimerson | bbrazil httpd.conf is all commented. |
| 00:44.18 | dvs | ming: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 00:44.19 | ming | no i have tried it as root |
| 00:44.28 | ming | have not* |
| 00:44.42 | shogunx | ming try that... it may be a permissions issue. |
| 00:44.50 | ming | ok |
| 00:44.57 | dvs | ming: yeah, are you part of the audio group? |
| 00:45.08 | ming | what is that? |
| 00:45.21 | bbrazil | Jimerson: that's correct |
| 00:45.21 | dvs | ming: type "groups" and see if audio is one of themn |
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| 00:45.42 | ming | yes it is |
| 00:46.22 | Jimerson | bbrazil that got it :) |
| 00:46.26 | Jimerson | thank you so much. |
| 00:46.28 | ming | when i type in ls -l /dev/dsp, i get "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-04-23 17:02 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 00:46.28 | ming | " |
| 00:46.44 | dvs | ming: What does ls -l /dev/dsp0 say? |
| 00:46.48 | bbrazil | Jimerson: I'm suprisedthat isn't there by default. Which distro are you running? |
| 00:47.13 | ming | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-04-23 17:02 /dev/dsp0 |
| 00:47.14 | Jimerson | sarge |
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| 00:47.43 | peppet | ming: now try 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp" |
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| 00:47.50 | dvs | and cover your ears |
| 00:48.13 | bbrazil | Jimerson: do you see the line in mods-enabled/php4.conf ? |
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| 00:48.19 | ne0futur | i recently dist-upgrade and updated kernel |
| 00:48.23 | ming | btw, should i be doing all this in root or as a user? |
| 00:48.24 | ne0futur | sound no more works |
| 00:48.26 | ne0futur | 0000:00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) |
| 00:48.31 | ming | or just super user |
| 00:48.35 | dvs | ming: preferably user |
| 00:48.36 | ne0futur | what should i do to make it work again ? |
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| 00:48.44 | Jimerson | bbrazil yeah its commented. |
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| 00:48.53 | ne0futur | alsaconf dont find it |
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| 00:49.12 | bbrazil | Jimerson: that's odd, and also the source of your problem |
| 00:49.14 | dvs | ne0futur: which kernel? |
| 00:49.21 | ne0futur | Linux kiron 2.4.27-3-686-smp #1 SMP Wed Feb 8 12:27:28 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:49.34 | dvs | ne0futur: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 00:49.37 | ne0futur | hum ths smp is nor normal |
| 00:49.37 | ming | uhhh, it just like, stopped |
| 00:49.51 | ne0futur | bad kernel i'm not smp |
| 00:49.54 | ne0futur | thanks |
| 00:50.06 | peppet | mindbob: can you ear noise? |
| 00:50.09 | meny | is there a way to use files from other (ntfs) partition? |
| 00:50.20 | peppet | ops... |
| 00:50.29 | bbrazil | !ntfs |
| 00:50.29 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 00:50.37 | ming | no noise |
| 00:51.00 | peppet | ming: nothing? |
| 00:51.04 | ming | yea |
| 00:51.05 | ming | nothing |
| 00:51.07 | dvs | ming: lsmod | grep snd_ |
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| 00:51.40 | magyar | what is the name for the command that will let you prevent a file from being deleted? |
| 00:51.55 | ming | i dont have a line to type it into |
| 00:51.57 | dvs | magyar: chmod |
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| 00:52.45 | magyar | dvs: no , there is a different command, even as root you do a rm -r it wont remove it |
| 00:52.55 | magyar | rm -f |
| 00:53.01 | ming | i never got the ~$ thing back after dd if=dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp |
| 00:53.02 | peppet | magyar: chattr +i |
| 00:53.08 | dvs | mindbob: ctrl-c |
| 00:53.13 | dvs | ming: ctrl-c |
| 00:53.20 | aneltika2 | Hi! Where can i find an up-to-date rfc for ssh? I found this: http://free.lp.se/fish/rfc.txt, but it has got a lots of old function. |
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| 00:53.30 | abrotman | !rfc |
| 00:53.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rfc is Request For Comments. They are available at http://www.rfc-editor.org/, http://www.rfc.net, or ask about rfc 1918 for private address ranges |
| 00:53.34 | magyar | peppet: thats it. the whole day racking my brain, thank you |
| 00:54.06 | magyar | peppet: i guess it's "ch attribute" |
| 00:54.14 | ming | ok |
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| 00:54.25 | ming | lsmod | grep snd_ give me nothing |
| 00:54.39 | dvs | ming: You're not using alsa |
| 00:55.03 | ming | after hitting ctrl + c i got "end |
| 00:55.03 | ming | esit |
| 00:55.03 | ming | exit |
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| 00:55.50 | ming | ahh |
| 00:56.10 | ming | should i log in as root and try my sound out again? |
| 00:57.01 | ming | hello, sorry for not using #flood.... |
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| 01:00.14 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:00.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:00.45 | chealer | !abrotmoo |
| 01:00.45 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 01:01.40 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: There is no cow level. |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: because you killed the cow! |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: btw .. I LOVE MY SHIRT! |
| 01:02.18 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'M TOO SEXY FOR MY SHIRT! |
| 01:02.29 | nse | what does the rc in ~/.bashrc means? |
| 01:02.35 | meny22 | thanks for the link but as far as i understood its all before that there are files on the partition but i want to know if it possible to use files on the partition after its already set? |
| 01:02.40 | abrotman | nse: ~ is your $HOME |
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| 01:02.56 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: take pics for tarzeau |
| 01:03.21 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I don't like Germans. |
| 01:03.22 | nse | abrotman: i mean the rc, is it some kind of abreviation? |
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| 01:03.37 | ming | hi, can someone help me to get my sound working? |
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| 01:03.59 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: he's turswissish |
| 01:04.03 | abrotman | turkswissish |
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| 01:04.10 | scarynetworkguy | I don't like them either! |
| 01:04.20 | Xenguy | nse: something control (runtime?) |
| 01:04.27 | nse | !ask |
| 01:04.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:04.40 | ming | i am pretty sure that my sound card is detected and my mic is working, but i cannot playback any sound |
| 01:05.02 | Xenguy | nse: I'm surprised the gearheads here don't know tho =) |
| 01:05.12 | nse | Xenguy: maybe resource something |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | nse: i never thought about it ... |
| 01:06.41 | nse | maybe run commands |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | maybe Rough Cheese |
| 01:07.01 | meny22 | im trying to set drivers and i download them through xp so i just want to know if there is a way to use them like that instead of burning them |
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| 01:07.19 | nse | ming: check volume controls |
| 01:07.29 | ming | do i do that in alsamixer? |
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| 01:07.50 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 01:07.51 | dpkg | methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 01:08.12 | Fare | how do I specify in a debian/rules file that I want /usr/bin/cl to be a link to /usr/bin/cl-launch ? |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 01:08.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors |
| 01:08.56 | nse | ming: alsamixer will do it |
| 01:09.12 | ming | i have unmuted everything and turned them all they way up |
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| 01:09.46 | nse | ming: don't forget the right one out of the screen |
| 01:11.12 | ming | what is that? |
| 01:11.19 | magyar | does anyone know how the pppoe package in sarge knows when the adsl link is down? |
| 01:11.35 | ming | do you mean in the alsamixer>? |
| 01:13.08 | Coweater | how do you control how many apache processes are started? |
| 01:13.51 | Xenguy | nse: looks like 'runtime configuration' (http://dmalloc.com/docs/5.4.2/online/dmalloc_32.html) |
| 01:14.20 | abrotman | Coweater: it's in the config file |
| 01:14.52 | nse | ming: yes, sometimes the screen is not enough to display every control so you have to go the right. maybe this is not your case |
| 01:15.20 | ming | i do not think this is the problem, do you have other suggestions? |
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| 01:16.10 | nse | !alsa-checklist |
| 01:16.10 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 01:17.17 | peppet | ming: start running alsaconf |
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| 01:18.31 | peppet | ming: (as root) |
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| 01:18.32 | plasmid | how do I edit my /boot/grub/manual.lst file B4 loggin in? I borked the file.. in #kopf and I would like that to be commented. I have a netinstall CD. = live CD ? How do I correct the /boot/grub/mosre.lst file? |
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| 01:19.41 | bayl | I just did a dist-upgrade (testing), and after rebooting X will not start as /dev/input/mice no longer exists. Any ideas how to revive my USB mouse? |
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| 01:20.31 | abrotman | bayl: modprobe mousedev |
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| 01:20.48 | chealer | bayl: what did you upgrade (was your kernel involved)? |
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| 01:21.17 | bayl | yes my kernel was involved, and abrotman just fixed me up. |
| 01:21.20 | bayl | Thanks abrotman |
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| 01:22.21 | abrotman | bayl: can i have a beer now? |
| 01:22.34 | bayl | abrotman: Maybe. |
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| 01:23.23 | Xenguy | !beer everyone |
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| 01:23.45 | bayl | Oi. |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:24.03 | Xenguy | bayl: you missed the beer man |
| 01:24.11 | bayl | Damn. |
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| 01:26.51 | Desh | Hi. Is there an apt-get command to force uninstall? |
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| 01:27.28 | abrotman | force why? |
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| 01:28.04 | damog | X Strike Force |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | damog: what are you? |
| 01:28.25 | ming | peppet: it gave me 2 options for my cards and i dont know how to choose |
| 01:28.30 | damog | abrotman: I'm just a guy. |
| 01:28.32 | gravity | ? |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | damog: who owns you? |
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| 01:28.52 | damog | abrotman: gravity owns me. |
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| 01:28.55 | gravity | heh |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | damog: what does gravity pay you for? |
| 01:29.02 | Desh | I tried using fglrx driver but it won;t work, and uninstalling tells me there is a diversion error. |
| 01:29.14 | damog | abrotman: gravity doesn't pay me, it just gets me attached to Earth |
| 01:29.18 | damog | :) |
| 01:29.26 | nse | haeuheauh |
| 01:29.42 | ming | peppet: they are "ali5451 ALi Corporation M%451 PCI AC-Link...." and "legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips" |
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| 01:32.34 | zasz | woohooo debian is running on my g3 powerbook ! |
| 01:32.43 | cire | I have a common question about bugs.debian.org. I have problems with xserver, and I found a bug-report which seems to fit to my problem. First question: There are some "also happens on my machine" posts. Is this recommended, should I also post such a report? Second: How do I post a report to bugtracking system? Third: This happened in xserver 6.8.2 and now. since I upgraded, also in 7.0. The Bug report only describes this problem with 6.8.2. Does |
| 01:32.43 | cire | this mean that there will be created a new bug-ID for the new xserver-version? Sorry for asking lot of questions, but I'd like to support the xserver coders by using the bts the way it should be used... |
| 01:33.14 | magyar | my etch install has some strange behavior. I have a storage drive connected to the onboard sata controller. On every reboot etch decides to change the drive device from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdd and vise versa. How can i stop that ? |
| 01:33.16 | gravity | cire: What's the bug number? |
| 01:33.29 | cire | gravity: I'll check this... |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | cire: you can append a bug |
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| 01:34.06 | cire | gravity: #345958 |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | !feed gravity |
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| 01:34.20 | abrotman | !dbugs 345958 |
| 01:34.24 | dpkg | #345958:I[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: X on Intel 915GM chipset exits with signal 11 Fatal error after upgrade to 6.9.0; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:33:04 UTC |
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| 01:35.18 | gravity | hrm |
| 01:35.37 | cire | I just don't know what to do about this bug... I hope this will be fixed soon... |
| 01:35.38 | gravity | cire: Well, you can send a "me too" to 345958@bugs.debian.org if you'd like |
| 01:35.53 | gravity | cire: I can guarantee it won't get you very much in the way of fixing the bug |
| 01:36.21 | cire | gravity: I have the exact same xorg-log and so on... In this case: may my post help? |
| 01:36.22 | chealer | cire: no new bug ID is needed |
| 01:36.23 | gravity | cire: I don't have your chipset, so I can't reproduce the bug locally. So either I need a patch or an update from the intel driver maintainers that fixes it. Maybe for 7.1 |
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| 01:37.13 | cire | gravity: sorry, I did not understand this (I am german). What does "I can guarantee it won't get you very much in the way of fixing the bug" mean? |
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| 01:37.39 | gravity | cire: It means "your posting that you are experiencing the bug also won't really help fix it" |
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| 01:37.51 | Mr_Molez | can anyone tell me how to change the language on debian from german to english ? |
| 01:38.01 | gravity | Mr_Molez: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:38.06 | cire | gravity: okay, thank you. |
| 01:38.07 | Mr_Molez | gravity: thnx :P |
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| 01:38.15 | gravity | cire: Sorry. I can't do much without the hardware right now |
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| 01:39.50 | abrotman | bayl: didn't work ? |
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| 01:40.04 | cire | gravity: I can work with vesa driver. This is okay because all that doesn't work is watching videos and playing 3D accelerated games... I didn't buy my laptop to play but to do some work. |
| 01:40.14 | bayl | Actually, I was testing my sound cable to see why my sound wasn't working and the machine crashed. :) |
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| 01:41.02 | ming | can someone help me with my sound, after doing things like alsaconfig and unmuteing everything, my sound still does not work |
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| 01:42.00 | ming | when i did alsaconfig, it gave me the option between 2 cards detected, should i try it wiht the other one? |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | bayl: you touched the cable? |
| 01:44.00 | tim_flatus | ming, what cards? are they supported? |
| 01:44.19 | bayl | I removed it to plug it in to a mp3 player |
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| 01:45.04 | ming | will i harm anything if i do alsaconfig to see what the cards are? |
| 01:45.26 | tim_flatus | ming, no, but lspci is better. |
| 01:45.30 | ming | k |
| 01:45.58 | ming | ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) |
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| 01:46.29 | ming | its does not show what the other one is |
| 01:46.35 | ming | when i do lspci |
| 01:47.08 | magyar | my etch install has some strange behavior. I have a storage drive connected to the onboard sata controller. On every reboot etch decides to change the drive device from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdd and vise versa. How can i stop that ? |
| 01:47.54 | tim_flatus | ming, OK so you must configure the ALi card. The other is not recognised or is not a pci card at least. |
| 01:48.18 | tim_flatus | ming, check out the card here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ |
| 01:48.22 | ming | ok |
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| 01:50.47 | macks | anyone tried suspend2 (hibernation?) on a desktop machine? |
| 01:51.06 | zasz | wow the peer1 mirrors are fast. they max out my cable |
| 01:51.10 | zasz | like 850KB/s |
| 01:51.33 | zasz | i just love how debian supports so many architectures. It allows this old g3 to remain useful |
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| 01:51.50 | GoCooL | has anybody succeeded in dual heading on a single Radeon X300 graphics card? if so, would i use the same PCI bus id in my xorg config file? |
| 01:51.58 | ming | do i need to install the module for my sound card? |
| 01:52.00 | tim_flatus | ming, you should be able to just insert the modules into the kernel, like it says. Most of that should be already set up under Debian. |
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| 01:53.23 | tim_flatus | ming, what happens if you modprobe snd-ali5451 ? |
| 01:53.35 | Em`Zee | Hello, I'm looking for if anyone knows an answer to debian Bug #359264... re: libgconf2-4's "Undefined symbol" error... it's crippled my Linux install and I can't do anything in it anymore |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | !dbugs 359264 |
| 01:54.20 | tim_flatus | ming, check lsmod to see if it's already loaded. |
| 01:54.24 | dpkg | DONE:#359264:G[libgconf2-4] upgrades-reports: Undefine symbol disables upgrade installation and dependent programs; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:48:10 UTC |
| 01:54.52 | ming | do i do modprobe in the console? |
| 01:55.11 | tim_flatus | ming, yes |
| 01:55.51 | ming | as root |
| 01:55.53 | ming | or su |
| 01:56.02 | ming | i get nothing from the modprobe |
| 01:56.27 | ming | what am i looking for in lsmod? |
| 01:56.46 | tim_flatus | ming, snd-ali5451 |
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| 01:57.07 | ming | i see it and it says 1 under 'used' |
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| 01:57.32 | Em`Zee | abrotman; The bug is reported as completed |
| 01:57.37 | Em`Zee | though there is no answer to it |
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| 01:57.40 | abrotman | so what's the resolution? |
| 01:57.46 | Em`Zee | it was put off because it was "not reproducible" |
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| 01:58.08 | abrotman | says corrected in unstable already |
| 01:58.19 | tim_flatus | ming, good. So the module is loaded. |
| 01:58.35 | ming | ok |
| 01:58.36 | abrotman | !info libgconf2-4 etch |
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| 01:58.38 | abrotman | !info libgconf2-4 sid |
| 01:58.41 | dpkg | libgconf2-4: (GNOME configuration database system (shared libraries)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.14.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 223 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
| 01:58.43 | dpkg | libgconf2-4: (GNOME configuration database system (shared libraries)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.14.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 223 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
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| 01:58.52 | abrotman | so .. should be fixed in both |
| 01:58.59 | tim_flatus | ming, what does cat /proc/asound/version tell you? |
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| 01:59.24 | Em`Zee | abrotman; hm |
| 01:59.28 | ming | Compiled on Jan 23 2005 for kernel 2.4.27-2-386 with versioned symbols. |
| 01:59.28 | Em`Zee | I'll look in the repo |
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| 02:00.18 | tim_flatus | ming, also good. ALSA is installed then. |
| 02:01.04 | ming | o yea, ive spend the last 3 hours trying to do that |
| 02:01.29 | tim_flatus | ming, try alsaconf for that card again and check you are in the audio group. |
| 02:01.33 | ming | not knowing if i had it done in the first place |
| 02:01.42 | ming | ok |
| 02:02.04 | ming | do i alsaconf as su or just user? |
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| 02:02.59 | tim_flatus | ming, it will prompt you for root. Don't worry. |
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| 02:03.04 | ming | k |
| 02:03.34 | ACU | greetings - any help how and what I need configure to update Debian Sarge R2 from BACKPORTS packages downloaded in the CD |
| 02:03.53 | tim_flatus | brb |
| 02:04.09 | Em`Zee | abrotman; I just tried it with a dpkg force and I got nothin |
| 02:04.18 | ming | ok |
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| 02:04.30 | ming | how do i check that i am in audio group? |
| 02:04.47 | ming | someone has told be how before but i have forgotten |
| 02:04.48 | gravity | ming: groups |
| 02:05.13 | ming | yes i am in the audio group |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | Em`Zee: which version are you trying to install? |
| 02:05.56 | COLD_STEAL | hi can some one help me realfats im in the middle of an install |
| 02:05.58 | Em`Zee | abrotman; I just got the experimental one, tried it... |
| 02:06.01 | Em`Zee | then tried testing as well |
| 02:06.35 | Em`Zee | I'll level with you, I am using Ubuntu linux and that's the origin of that problem |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | Em`Zee: that doesn't answer my question |
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| 02:07.00 | Em`Zee | abrotman; 2.14.0-1 |
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| 02:07.43 | ming | i still do not have sound, anything else i can do? |
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| 02:07.55 | abrotman | Em`Zee: did you try dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.09 | Em`Zee | with |
| 02:08.11 | Em`Zee | wow |
| 02:08.14 | Em`Zee | *kicks fingers* |
| 02:08.16 | Em`Zee | Yeah, I did |
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| 02:08.25 | chealer | ACU: what? upgrade to what? |
| 02:08.30 | Em`Zee | dpkg --force-all -i <pkg> |
| 02:08.41 | Em`Zee | because ubuntu treats it as a downgrade, I did force |
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| 02:09.08 | abrotman | Em`Zee: why are you asking #debian about ubuntu ? |
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| 02:09.13 | gravity | You don't need to force a downgrade, first and foremost |
| 02:09.18 | gravity | Second of all, you should really be in #ubuntu |
| 02:09.20 | gravity | Not here |
| 02:09.31 | Em`Zee | abrotman; I know that Ubuntu has a debian base. I did ask in there and no one knew what to tell me |
| 02:09.33 | cire | I found a solution for my probem wirh i915, but I have to use apt-get source to install xserver's source code. When finishing that and compiling it, will my xserver-debian-package be replaced automatically by the one created from source? |
| 02:09.44 | Em`Zee | so I googled and found an identical bug in Debian |
| 02:10.11 | clav | how can i check my Xorg version? |
| 02:10.33 | cire | clav: I alweays do "dpkg -l xserver-xorg" |
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| 02:10.38 | gravity | clav: X -version |
| 02:10.42 | hytll | if I compile a kernel with just "make-kpkg" with no args, where does the resulting .deb go? |
| 02:10.52 | ming | i have alsaconf twice and was successful both times, i am still, however, without sound. can some one help me? |
| 02:11.07 | clav | cheers gravity, cire |
| 02:11.17 | magyar | my etch install has some strange behavior. I have a storage drive connected to the onboard sata controller. On every reboot etch decides to change the drive device from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdd and vise versa. How can i stop that ? |
| 02:11.25 | hytll | I did a "find . -name "*.deb"", but nothing came up |
| 02:11.33 | abrotman | Em`Zee: so you're asking about a bug in the debian database with your ubuntu packages? |
| 02:11.38 | Serinity | I run XFree, how would i switch to xorg ? |
| 02:11.53 | Em`Zee | abrotman; As stupid as it sounds, yes. |
| 02:11.56 | magyar | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | Em`Zee: go to #ubuntu |
| 02:12.12 | COLD_STEAL | hi can some one help me real fast im in the middle of an install |
| 02:12.15 | Serinity | magyar, ok, ty |
| 02:12.19 | magyar | np |
| 02:12.22 | Em`Zee | With Debian being the backbone of ubuntu, and having the exact same error messages, one would surmise that a fix for the debian bug would fix the ubuntu one as well |
| 02:12.47 | hytll | COLD_STEAL: just ask |
| 02:13.04 | hytll | (don't ask to ask) |
| 02:13.29 | abrotman | Em`Zee: it's really not up for debate .. you're running ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:14.34 | m1ke_l | when was debian first released? |
| 02:14.55 | zinx | m1ke_l: pretty sure that's on the site |
| 02:15.00 | Coweater | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 02:15.16 | COLD_STEAL | okay i m in the aptitude |
| 02:15.37 | m1ke_l | 1993 |
| 02:15.38 | m1ke_l | thanks |
| 02:15.39 | COLD_STEAL | and i dont know how to select a package so i can install it |
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| 02:16.05 | Coweater | COLD_STEAL: hit f10, look through the context menus, they have the keys on the right side of the menu |
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| 02:16.32 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: '+' selects a package for installation. I highly recommend reading the docs that come with aptitude in /usr/share/doc/aptitude. They're very comprehensive |
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| 02:16.59 | COLD_STEAL | i dont evean have a gui yet |
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| 02:17.10 | tim_flatus | ming, try ls -l /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* are they all in audio group also? |
| 02:17.21 | COLD_STEAL | im just starting to install it fot the first time |
| 02:17.22 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: You don't need one to read docs, but ok |
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| 02:17.38 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: Just select the desktop task in aptitude then |
| 02:17.40 | ming | ok |
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| 02:18.02 | Mxyzpltk | ming: did you check your mixer settings? run alsamixer and see if anything is muted or volume 0 |
| 02:18.14 | ming | ls -l /dev/dsp gives me "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-04-23 17:02 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0" |
| 02:19.20 | clav | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.21 | ming | and ls -l /dev/mixer gives "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2006-04-23 17:02 /dev/mixer -> /dev/mixer0" |
| 02:19.33 | COLD_STEAL | once i select a package how do i install it do i press g |
| 02:19.46 | ming | yes i have checked my mixer settings and they are turned up and not muted |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | clav: so close |
| 02:20.02 | abrotman | COLD_STEAL: you could .. read the docs |
| 02:20.16 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: Right |
| 02:20.21 | Mxyzpltk | ming: you get any errors or the audio file plays and just no sound? |
| 02:20.24 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: You'll probably have to press it twice |
| 02:20.39 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: The first time it'll show you what it's going to to. The second time it'll actually do it |
| 02:21.04 | ming | no errors, just no sound |
| 02:21.17 | tim_flatus | ming, all your audio devices /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer plus all the devices in /dev/snd/ probably should be in the audio group. |
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| 02:21.34 | Mxyzpltk | ming: so you probably don't have any permission problems... I know it sounds dumb, but did you check the speakers are on and in the right output plug of the card? (seen that happen many times) |
| 02:22.00 | tim_flatus | Mxyzpltk, good point. :) |
| 02:22.35 | COLD_STEAL | it says "no packages will be installed, removed or upgraded some pachages could be upgraded, but you have not chosen to upgrade them. type u to prepar an upgrade" |
| 02:22.47 | ming | how do i tell if they are in the audio group from ls -l ... |
| 02:23.13 | ming | yea i check and my speakers are in the mright place |
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| 02:23.19 | Mxyzpltk | ming: if you had any permission problems you will get an error from your audio player |
| 02:24.11 | ming | my audio player doesnt open the wav files i try to open, it just loads and disappears after about 10sec, is that a problem? |
| 02:24.11 | Mxyzpltk | did you check for any audio options in your mixer? for example analog or digital or any other that could affect? |
| 02:24.29 | tim_flatus | ming, Mxyzpltk they probably only need to be in audio group for realtime work. |
| 02:24.33 | Mxyzpltk | yes, that doesnt sound good... what are you using to play them? |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | ming: raise all your levels .. then cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp |
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| 02:26.02 | mlowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.05 | COLD_STEAL | no iup graded everything but i cant install anything it says "no packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or upgraded " evean tho i selected it |
| 02:26.36 | nse | does gnome uses the twm window manager to manage windows? i am not really understanding the difference between window manager and desktop manager |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | it uses what you pick |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | !dm |
| 02:26.59 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 02:27.05 | abrotman | !wm |
| 02:27.05 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. http://xwinman.org/ |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | nse: better? :) |
| 02:27.23 | COLD_STEAL | lol i was trying ti install packages that were under the installed list |
| 02:27.39 | ming | nothing is resulting from the cat |
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| 02:27.59 | abrotman | double check your mixer levels .. all of them |
| 02:29.09 | ming | everything is maxed out and unmuted, but no sound |
| 02:29.27 | tim_flatus | ming, http://alsa.opensrc.org/ |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | or ask #alsa ? |
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| 02:31.11 | ming | ahh this whole sound thing is discourageing this first time linux os user |
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| 02:32.42 | nse | abrotman: i don't have neither a .xsession nor a .xinitrc, but it's better now.. |
| 02:32.55 | ming | when i first installed debian, i had sound. i needed to use the program ARDOUR though, which required me to run JACK, which then led me to realize my alsa was messed up or not installed |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | nse: good! |
| 02:33.35 | tim_flatus | ming, in which case you need to change your audio devices to the audio group. |
| 02:33.37 | ming | after i fixed alsa and got ARDOUR running, the sound output stopped working |
| 02:34.01 | tim_flatus | ming, have you rebooted since? |
| 02:34.05 | ming | yes |
| 02:34.12 | tim_flatus | ming, ok |
| 02:34.16 | ming | several times |
| 02:34.39 | ming | how do i change my audio devices to audio group? |
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| 02:35.35 | tim_flatus | ming, http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#ALSA |
| 02:36.49 | ming | thanks |
| 02:37.01 | tim_flatus | ming, np |
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| 02:37.38 | Jimerson | Can anyone direct me to where I can find out how to add domains email's etc without a control panel? |
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| 02:38.18 | abrotman | Jimerson: depends on your SMTP server |
| 02:39.32 | E0x | abrotman: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge |
| 02:39.37 | E0x | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/243 |
| 02:39.44 | E0x | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 02:40.22 | E0x | maybe those link can point you |
| 02:40.25 | abrotman | E0x: ? |
| 02:40.26 | E0x | in a good direction |
| 02:40.37 | abrotman | E0x: are you on drugs? |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | Jimerson: which SMTP server? |
| 02:40.52 | E0x | err s/ abrotman / Jimerson /g |
| 02:40.57 | Jimerson | umm |
| 02:41.06 | Jimerson | I am more worried about the domains |
| 02:41.11 | Jimerson | can you list smtp servers |
| 02:41.11 | E0x | abrotman: sorry |
| 02:41.20 | Jimerson | I can't remember the name at the moment |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | postfix sendmail qmail exim |
| 02:42.19 | zasz | my g3 has kernel 2.4.27-powerpc, but I need 2.6 to run mouseemu. How can I upgrade to the 2.6 kernel the debian way (I know it's in the apt repository, I'd like to use that one) |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | zasz: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 02:43.03 | zasz | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-powerpc <-- doesn't work because I'm not using a linux boot loader (I'm using bootx, a mac os utility) |
| 02:44.34 | abrotman | try #debianppc |
| 02:44.39 | E0x | reconfigure you boot loader |
| 02:44.43 | E0x | for select the new kernel |
| 02:44.50 | Jimerson | abrotman exim sounds right |
| 02:44.54 | COLD_STEAL | how do i check if i selected a gui |
| 02:45.07 | COLD_STEAL | or check to see if i have 1 installed |
| 02:45.15 | ming | tim_flatus: when i type in "ls -l /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/cdrom*", and some of them say "root root" instead of "root cdrom" or "root audio" like the website you gave me said, do i need to change the "root root"s? |
| 02:45.42 | nvz | COLD_STEAL: a GUI for what? |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | Jimerson: dpkg -l exim* |
| 02:45.55 | tim_flatus | ming to root:audio |
| 02:46.00 | Jimerson | abrotman what does that do? |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | shows if you have exim installed |
| 02:46.34 | COLD_STEAL | for debian |
| 02:46.37 | tim_flatus | ming, eg. crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 24 2006-04-24 23:31 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c |
| 02:46.44 | COLD_STEAL | im still in aptitude |
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| 02:46.56 | COLD_STEAL | idk if i installed a gui |
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| 02:47.44 | apacker | When I boot up, I see some FATAL error regarding usb stuff flash by quickly that would be useful in trying to get usb to work. The error does not appear in "dmesg" or /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages or /var/log/faillog... where ELSE can I look? |
| 02:47.44 | elliotf | is there a debian channel related specifically to development? |
| 02:47.52 | E0x | yes |
| 02:47.58 | E0x | debian-dev i guess |
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| 02:48.02 | elliotf | thanks. |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | elliotf: development of hwat? |
| 02:48.07 | apacker | alternatively, can someone tell me where/how to make sure I get/have all the proper usb drivers to use a mouse and kbd? |
| 02:48.23 | elliotf | abrotman: efforts going into rebuilding debian with different gcc/libc |
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| 02:48.33 | abrotman | elliotf: different gcc/libc? |
| 02:48.40 | elliotf | abrotman: using debian on an odd arm system |
| 02:48.49 | elliotf | abrotman: that requires a patched libc and gcc |
| 02:48.51 | Arafangion | Why isn't my usb disc being mounted automatically if I have usbmount installed? |
| 02:48.57 | apacker | How do I read messages that came up while my computer was booting? |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | elliotf: so you want to package your own ? |
| 02:49.05 | Arafangion | apacker: mesg |
| 02:49.06 | ming | and that changes the root root? |
| 02:49.08 | Arafangion | apacker: dmesg |
| 02:49.11 | E0x | apacker: demesg |
| 02:49.21 | elliotf | abrotman: right now recompiling packages by hand under a foreign dev environment |
| 02:49.21 | nvz | apacker: less /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:49.22 | apacker | Arafangion, E0x not all output I see with my eyeballs appears there. |
| 02:49.24 | Arafangion | apacker: Mind you, old messages are discarded. |
| 02:49.32 | apacker | Arafangion, how old? |
| 02:49.33 | elliotf | abrotman: yes, I want to create my own debian packages using a different libc/gcc |
| 02:49.39 | nvz | apacker: less /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | !tell elliotf about mg |
| 02:49.50 | elliotf | abrotman: thanks, reading. |
| 02:49.50 | Arafangion | apacker: I think it's dependant on number of lines |
| 02:49.59 | apacker | Arafangion, for example, I just booted and some FATAL errors went by. "more /var/log/mesg" and dmesg do NOT show them. |
| 02:50.30 | Arafangion | apacker: That's a different stage. Try /var/log/daemon, etc. |
| 02:50.34 | tim_flatus | ming, # chgrp audio /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* |
| 02:50.37 | nse | maybe it is not a kernel message |
| 02:50.39 | elliotf | abrotman: the problem is that debian doesn't run on the arch... so how do I bootstrap debian so I can start recompiling it.. but I'll read your suggestion. |
| 02:50.47 | Arafangion | nse: Kernel messages are never fatal. |
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| 02:51.13 | abrotman | elliotf: oh .. you've got all kinds of complications .. maybe email debian-user@lists.debian.org .. see if anyone has a fantastically bright idea |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | !arm |
| 02:51.14 | dpkg | [arm] Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/, or best supported in #debian-arm |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | elliotf: it's a regular ARM cpu .. or something odd ? |
| 02:51.40 | Arafangion | I have currently got two questions: (1) How do I get usbmount to work as expected, and (2) How to get the usb mouse working? |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | well, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 02:51.49 | apacker | Arafangion, still cannot find this module error. something about usb-uhci not being found. definitely the word FATAL is in this error. ANy more places to look? |
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| 02:51.53 | elliotf | abrotman: something odd (superscalar out-of-order, etc... ARM) |
| 02:52.03 | elliotf | abrotman: with hardware VFP |
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| 02:52.05 | tim_flatus | ming, and # chgrp audio /dev/snd/* |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | elliotf: so ARM .. but not regular ARM ? |
| 02:52.13 | hytll | I'm trying to get a wireless pcmcia card to work w/ debian, but I feel like I'm missing a step. debian recognizes the card, and I get lights on it when I do "ifconfig eth1 up". However, I can't get it to see any access points, or connect to anything. am I missing a command or something? |
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| 02:52.19 | elliotf | abrotman: yes, and uses a different ABI |
| 02:52.28 | hytll | iwconfig shows the card, but no link strength |
| 02:52.31 | gn0m3 | anyone here that can help me the gaim messenger? |
| 02:52.33 | Arafangion | apacker: /var/log/kern.log ? |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | elliotf: so you'd basically be porting it to your own architecture |
| 02:52.47 | apacker | Arafangion, not there eiether. I'm pretty certain I've checked every /var/log/* |
| 02:52.49 | elliotf | abrotman: exactly |
| 02:52.51 | hytll | gn0m3: aptitude install gaim ? |
| 02:52.53 | ming | k |
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| 02:53.05 | abrotman | elliotf: but it is an ARM derivitive ? |
| 02:53.07 | Arafangion | apacker: Then it wasn't logged. |
| 02:53.07 | apacker | Arafangion, I don't suppose you know an easy way to get usb working by any chance? That's really waht I need to do |
| 02:53.09 | gn0m3 | hytll: no i want to add pictures to my profile |
| 02:53.13 | apacker | Arafangion, why the F*** not?? |
| 02:53.18 | elliotf | abrotman: and now I'm going through a chicken-and-egg hell of trying to get some sort of environment up to auto compile packages. |
| 02:53.27 | elliotf | abrotman: yes, it is an arm derivative |
| 02:53.35 | abrotman | elliotf: might want to contact the ARM guys |
| 02:53.37 | Arafangion | apacker: Have you tried loading it using modconf, and seeing what the error was? |
| 02:53.37 | ming | one of my lines say "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2006-04-19 21:17 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc". is that correct? |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | !tell elliotf about arm |
| 02:53.41 | elliotf | lol |
| 02:53.41 | gn0m3 | none of u use gaim? |
| 02:53.44 | COLD_STEAL | im trying to install kde but there are allot of dependencies that at=rnt available |
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| 02:53.49 | elliotf | abrotman: as in the arm port? |
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| 02:53.52 | abrotman | elliotf: tell them you'd like to get the port going .. see if they can help you figure out how to get going |
| 02:53.52 | Arafangion | apacker: Perhaps your system doesn't support the particular usb module, try a different one. |
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| 02:53.57 | Arafangion | gn0m3: Certainly not for irc. |
| 02:54.01 | Arafangion | gn0m3: Nor for jabber. |
| 02:54.10 | Arafangion | gn0m3: It's passible for msn, and yahoo, though. |
| 02:54.10 | elliotf | abrotman: I'm not sure how much I can say, need to check my NDA.. so I was trying to go about it the difficult way, quiet-like.. |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | elliotf: oh .. NDA |
| 02:54.17 | apacker | Arafangion, something *Besides* "usbcore" ?? |
| 02:54.24 | elliotf | abrotman: exactly. :( |
| 02:54.25 | Arafangion | apacker: Including usbcore. |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | elliotf: well . be upfront about it with the debian guys .. |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | elliotf: does GCC support it ? |
| 02:54.36 | apacker | Arafangion, OK, so I need to insmod or modprobe... something? |
| 02:54.37 | Arafangion | apacker: I have usb-uhci for instance. |
| 02:54.40 | elliotf | abrotman: yes, I have a toolchain for it... |
| 02:54.43 | elliotf | patched gcc |
| 02:54.52 | elliotf | abrotman: patched gcc from codesourcery. |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | elliotf: then they should be able to help you along .. they may know tricks etc |
| 02:54.54 | apacker | Arafangion, I think the error was that I do NOT have that. of course,I cannot find that stupid goddamnasdkljflj.... error. |
| 02:55.02 | Arafangion | apacker: What kernel? |
| 02:55.03 | elliotf | abrotman: thanks for your excellent help. |
| 02:55.09 | apacker | Arafangion, 2.6.3 |
| 02:55.09 | elliotf | abrotman: (and suggestions) |
| 02:55.14 | Arafangion | apacker: Upgrade. |
| 02:55.16 | abrotman | elliotf: if they don't know .. hopefully they can point you to where you need to go |
| 02:55.24 | apacker | Arafangion, to? |
| 02:55.25 | elliotf | abrotman: thanks. |
| 02:55.31 | apacker | Arafangion, whatever is most current? |
| 02:55.44 | Arafangion | apacker: Dang, just found out the problem with my usb situation :) I was running 2.2.20. |
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| 02:55.51 | Arafangion | apacker: I would say 2.6.11 |
| 02:56.01 | apacker | Arafangion, heh. btw, I need to download 124 megs of archives. whoops. |
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| 02:56.09 | neo__ | Hello! |
| 02:56.19 | apacker | neo__, Hello!! |
| 02:56.21 | Arafangion | apacker: Then let it wait, or resume the download later. |
| 02:56.28 | neo__ | I'm going on a crusade to get Debian to work for ME! |
| 02:56.30 | neo__ | lol |
| 02:57.02 | apacker | Arafangion, Uh, I mean, I havent upgraded in awhile and I have a crapload of stuff to get in order to do so. It will be done soon tho. |
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| 02:57.13 | neo__ | Seriously though, I'm having trouble with compiling some programs, the latrest firefox for example |
| 02:57.16 | Arafangion | apacker: You're not runnign stable? |
| 02:57.22 | neo__ | It's not in the repos |
| 02:57.51 | apacker | Arafangion, testing |
| 02:58.07 | ming | tim_flatus: i am going to restart my computer and see if anything changed |
| 02:58.12 | COLD_STEAL | im trying to install kde but there are allot of dependencies that are unavailable for debian |
| 02:58.39 | Arafangion | apacker: I'm very much in the _stable_ field. |
| 02:58.41 | neo__ | ming, I though you didn't have to restart in Debian for changes to take effect |
| 02:58.50 | tim_flatus | if it didn't change before you restarted ... oh never mind. |
| 02:58.51 | Arafangion | apacker: Migrating back from ubuntu because it wasn't stable enough. |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | neo__: you don't .. it's a desperation attempt :) |
| 02:59.21 | tim_flatus | neo__, you only have to restart alsa in this case, but he doesn't know that. |
| 02:59.27 | neo__ | Ah I see ( I think) |
| 02:59.30 | Arafangion | neo__: Also a good way to test your boot scripts. |
| 02:59.35 | apacker | Arafangion, yeah, I should probably go back to stable. There was something in testing once that I wanted to have the newest version of more often... but those days are gone... havent done a clean install in years... maybe some day :) |
| 02:59.46 | neo__ | Now that I understand |
| 02:59.50 | apacker | Arafangion, all in ref to this machine only, of course - my personal home machine |
| 02:59.50 | Arafangion | apacker: I compile my own version of those apps, especially wine. |
| 03:00.04 | apacker | Arafangion, ugh, painful. |
| 03:00.07 | Arafangion | apacker: Personal home machines can afford to be a little less reliable, imho, but I _still_ like stable :) |
| 03:00.13 | Arafangion | apacker: Not really. |
| 03:00.34 | Arafangion | apacker: ./configure && make && checkinstall and answer questions, done. |
| 03:00.41 | apacker | Arafangion, I'm really not a very advanced user. Compiling almost always fails for me to do some whacky obscure error. |
| 03:00.49 | Arafangion | apacker: You must be missing dependencies. |
| 03:00.53 | neo__ | Okay. first things first, I'm unsure how to mount my USB |
| 03:00.58 | apacker | Arafangion, I'm probably missing all sorts of shit. |
| 03:01.02 | neo__ | 512 m, Shintaro |
| 03:01.06 | Arafangion | apacker: build-essential, for starters? |
| 03:01.16 | neo__ | mount usb1 fat32 ... ? |
| 03:01.20 | neo__ | something like that? |
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| 03:01.48 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 03:01.48 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 03:01.48 | Arafangion | neo__: vfat |
| 03:02.04 | apacker | Arafangion, riddle me this. How exactly does debian install a binary *While you are using it* ? I've never understood this. I can easily come up with a plausible scenario (i.e. storing shit in temp locations until the file debian desires to replace is no longer in use) but is that actually how it works? |
| 03:02.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: Wasn't there a commercial kernel module for ntfs writing? |
| 03:02.25 | Arafangion | apacker: Simple, there is no file locking. |
| 03:02.40 | Arafangion | apacker: And once loaded, the program is fully in memory. |
| 03:02.47 | apacker | Arafangion, ok, this also explains why you can move a movie file to another drive while you are watching it? |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | Arafangion: no idea .. writing to a closed proprietary FS will probably result in loss of data ... |
| 03:02.58 | Arafangion | apacker: That's slightly different. |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | !captiventfs |
| 03:03.00 | dpkg | methinks captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 03:03.07 | Arafangion | abrotman: Not thinking of captive. |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | then really no idea |
| 03:03.28 | Arafangion | apacker: In that case, you're using the same inode, I'm sure. |
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| 03:03.35 | apacker | abrotman, Arafangion I have definitely seen ntfs in action working well on debian |
| 03:03.40 | Arafangion | apacker: So it's _still_ using the same file, because it's already been opened. |
| 03:03.46 | Arafangion | apacker: The one I am thinking of is very unknown. |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | apacker: that's fine .. not my data .. i don't care if you lose yours |
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| 03:04.00 | Arafangion | apacker: Most people use read-only ntfs, the only sane model of use. |
| 03:04.22 | apacker | abrotman, heh, I didn't say I trusted it. Just that it read/write functionality exists |
| 03:04.27 | abrotman | i'm sure it does |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | my statement about proprietary FSs still stands |
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| 03:05.43 | neo__ | etc/fstab does not exist |
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| 03:06.23 | Arafangion | Rebooting... |
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| 03:07.08 | Nurbs | depends on what you do. |
| 03:07.16 | tuv | how do i know which of the linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 in snapshot.debian.net have ever made it to testing? there are 2.6.15-1 to -8 ! |
| 03:07.31 | grape_ | firegl is not available in sid |
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| 03:08.25 | neo__ | Hmm... |
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| 03:10.40 | cheal | tuv: http://packages.qa.debian.org/linux-2.6 |
| 03:11.17 | apacker | How can I figure out what version of the kernel I should be running? i.e. what is the most up-to-date if i'm running testing |
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| 03:12.00 | jnc | i don't know how you'd figure that out exactly |
| 03:12.03 | apacker | and/or How can I get the module usb-uhci |
| 03:12.07 | cheal | apacker: 2.6.15 |
| 03:12.18 | yxa | how do I monitor the status of a hardware raid array under debian? |
| 03:12.19 | jnc | cheal: is he/she asking "how to get that info" ? |
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| 03:12.29 | apacker | cheal, I have 2.6.3 ... what is the correct command to upgrade the kernel? |
| 03:12.30 | Arafangion | Wierd, my GDM login screen is *unbelievably* blurry. |
| 03:12.31 | abrotman | depends on the controller |
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| 03:12.35 | Arafangion | What might that be? |
| 03:12.38 | tuv | cheal, great.. really.. thanks a lot |
| 03:12.44 | jnc | i.e. a programmatic way to determine, given "xyz foobar" release (testing/unstable/stable), which kernel is currently the most recent |
| 03:12.45 | neo__ | BBL |
| 03:12.49 | neo__ | Be back later |
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| 03:13.05 | jnc | Arafangion: CRT or LCD? |
| 03:13.13 | cheal | apacker: 2.6.3? are you serious? you pick you favorite command to install the current kernel package |
| 03:13.16 | apacker | jnc, I would also like to know how to figure that out? |
| 03:13.18 | Arafangion | jnc: CRT |
| 03:13.24 | jnc | Arafangion: oh. not sure. |
| 03:13.30 | jnc | Arafangion: can you take a screen cap? |
| 03:13.39 | apacker | cheal, why does it not happen on routine "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 03:13.50 | Arafangion | jnc: Not really. Looking at it atm. |
| 03:13.55 | apacker | cheal, is it 'too serious' to do at that time, i.e. when you might not be paying attention |
| 03:13.56 | cheal | jnc: it seems so...sorry |
| 03:14.18 | cheal | apacker: update only upgrades packages, it doesn't install new ones |
| 03:14.37 | jnc | hey uh, not everyone knows that the linux kernel changed from "kernel-image" to "linux-image" root |
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| 03:14.46 | tim_flatus | apacker, that's basically correct. It is just too easy to install a new kernel and not realise you've done it these days. ;) |
| 03:15.08 | cheal | apacker: to determine the kernel you should run, you check which package linux-image-2.6-foo depends on |
| 03:15.45 | apacker | cheal, the question is I'm about to run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.foo-686" or whatever and still need to know HOW to determine foo. |
| 03:15.53 | apacker | cheal, you tell me foo=15? how? why? |
| 03:16.19 | cheal | apacker: not necessarily. it's just that each new Linux ABI gets a new package. so it's as a library transition, update won't do |
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| 03:16.41 | tim_flatus | apacker, you need to go look |
| 03:16.41 | tuv | i know i've been using one of those (2.6.15-1-686 kernels) from testing without a problem, and now ipw2200 is freezing my system. i'm now trying the last one that ever been in testing: -4. if it fails then i have no idea what's happening whatsoever :/ |
| 03:16.54 | cheal | apacker: no...check the output of $ apt-cache search linux-image-2.6- |
| 03:17.03 | Arafangion | jnc: For some wierd reason, it scalling a normal size dialog to a 640x480 display! |
| 03:17.07 | Arafangion | jnc: Fixed now. |
| 03:17.19 | xerophyte | did anybody got the cyrus-imapd work with saslauthd ?? i am having problem cyrus-imapd find the saslauthd .. because of the chroot does anybody know any workd around that ?? |
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| 03:17.50 | cheal | apacker: you'll find the packages that keep Linux up-to-date |
| 03:18.07 | COLD_STEAL | i cant apt-get install kde |
| 03:18.28 | COLD_STEAL | it says package is unavailable |
| 03:18.40 | apacker | cheal, ok, your apt-cache search reveals "linux-image-2.6-686" which is NOT listed on packages.debian.org. How do I tell what it REALLY is before installing it? packages.debian.org is usually my friend. not right now. |
| 03:19.12 | Arafangion | Nice, mapping ctrl and caps is so easy (Even in instructions now) |
| 03:19.30 | cheal | apacker: linux-image-2.6-686 is not listed on packages.debian.org? |
| 03:19.37 | apacker | cheal, sorry, user error. |
| 03:20.02 | apacker | cheal, don't have a mice because i'm trying to use it usb and dont to put it back into ps2 now (is that a myth you can fry your mobo that way) ? |
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| 03:20.24 | plasmid | how do I edit my /boot/grub/manual.lst file B4 loggin in? I borked the file.. in #kopf and I would like that to be commented. I have a netinstall CD. = live CD ? How do I correct the /boot/grub/mosre.lst file? |
| 03:20.47 | tim_flatus | plasmid, use the 'c' key |
| 03:20.51 | apacker | Arafangion, what are the chances my usb shit will magically work after upgrading from 2.6.3 to 2.6.15 ? :) is there anything I should be thinking/doing during this process? |
| 03:20.52 | magyar | my etch install has some strange behavior. I have a storage drive connected to the onboard sata controller. On every reboot etch decides to change the drive device from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdd and vise versa. How can i stop that ? |
| 03:21.10 | apacker | Arafangion, like "Dear Debian, please f**king download the shit you need to make the usb modules work. Thanks, user" |
| 03:21.19 | plasmid | tim_flatus: there are no instructions after pressing the "c" key.. Do u know the commands to follow? |
| 03:21.20 | cheal | apacker: heh, maybe you can fry an EliteGroup that way |
| 03:21.21 | Arafangion | apacker: I now have perfect usb support, execpt for the usbmount program. |
| 03:21.36 | Arafangion | apacker: I must admit, I have not used debian as a desktop since potato. |
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| 03:21.54 | Arafangion | Wait, I didn't use it as a desktop then, Hmm. |
| 03:22.02 | apacker | cheal, EliteGroup? is it really not a big deal? I've definitely done it before... |
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| 03:22.18 | _ericb | hi all |
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| 03:22.50 | apacker | Arafangion, like "Dear Debian, please f**king download the shit you need to make the usb modules work. Thanks, user" |
| 03:22.55 | Arafangion | apacker: What are all of the usb modules you have installed? |
| 03:22.56 | cheal | apacker: ECS, the makers of the famous K7S5A. I really don't know about frying mobos, I've never done that |
| 03:23.05 | Arafangion | apacker: But it worked for me. |
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| 03:23.29 | apacker | Arafangion, what command could I run to answer that question? lsmod will tell you what's goin now... not everything that could be going... |
| 03:23.54 | apacker | Arafangion, anyway, new kernel installed. time for a restart and possibly new and improved error messages! if i'm not back in five minutes... just wait longer. |
| 03:24.07 | minerale | Is it worth it to run the amd64 branch on a desktop... considering "performance" vs missing out on flash and some w32codecs? |
| 03:24.25 | cheal | minerale: #debian-amd64 would know better |
| 03:24.30 | tim_flatus | plasmid, :( not offhand ... |
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| 03:25.04 | plasmid | tim_flatus: kk... I think my only choice atm is to erase everything and NEVER install splashy. :-) |
| 03:25.37 | Arafangion | So, how does one get automatic mounting of usb discs? This feature is quite important. |
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| 03:26.27 | cheal | Arafangion: hal+pmount should be sufficient, at least if you use KDE |
| 03:26.27 | apacker | hoo ah! success (i.e. non-death) ! |
| 03:26.44 | Arafangion | cheal: I use various DE's and or WM's. |
| 03:26.55 | Arafangion | cheal: I was hoping that usbmount would do the trick, but it appears to be faulty. |
| 03:26.59 | apacker | Does anyone remember that command to invoke the X0rg XFREE86-config4 xserver whatever the crap they are calling it these days autoconfigurator? |
| 03:27.17 | tim_flatus | plasmid, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Command_002dline-and-menu-entry-commands.html |
| 03:27.29 | Arafangion | Oh, it uses udev |
| 03:27.29 | shogunx | apacker X -configure works fine for me. |
| 03:27.41 | cheal | apacker: perhaps crapconfig? |
| 03:27.44 | Arafangion | Which I'm currently using... |
| 03:27.59 | COLD_STEAL | can someone help me with debian |
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| 03:28.14 | apacker | cheal, oh cmon I know someone knows what im talking about. it asks you what kinda kbd you have, and what kinda mouse, and your monitor's vert and horiz sync rates and shit |
| 03:28.15 | plasmid | tim_flatus: thanks... hopefully i can find somethin there to edit /boot/grub/mlist file.. |
| 03:28.30 | apacker | cheal, you normally see it when you are installing X |
| 03:28.31 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: possibly. it mostly depends on whether you're able to ask a good question |
| 03:29.08 | cheal | apacker: I know what you're talking about. I was just commenting about your language |
| 03:29.34 | Arafangion | nICE. |
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| 03:29.44 | COLD_STEAL | im doind apt-get install x-windows-system-core kde |
| 03:29.57 | Arafangion | apacker: dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 03:30.36 | Arafangion | apacker: That's the one you want. |
| 03:30.44 | COLD_STEAL | and it says E: package kde has no installation candidate |
| 03:31.10 | apacker | Arafangion, "xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed" i'm using X right now! what a liar this crap is! |
| 03:32.03 | Arafangion | apacker: Make sure it's installed. |
| 03:32.14 | cire | currenly I am compiling xorg-server which I got via apt-get source. Do you know how long will this take on a centrino 2,0 GHz? And: after it is compiled, will it automatically replace my current xserver debian-package? |
| 03:32.14 | Arafangion | apacker: Or, are you using xorg? |
| 03:32.15 | _ericb | currently reading about different filesystems.. just to make shure.. no reliable (non-beta) filesystems in linux seems to support compression.. right ? |
| 03:32.20 | apacker | Arafangion, xorg |
| 03:32.27 | apacker | Arafangion, xorgcfg sucks |
| 03:32.35 | Arafangion | apacker: Try xserver-xorg or whatever it is, see dpkg --get-selections | grep xserver |
| 03:33.07 | apacker | Arafangion, booyah! thanks. "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
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| 03:33.39 | cheal | cire: no, we don't know. the rest depends on how you compiled, but compiling doesn't imply installing |
| 03:34.18 | diomedes | anyone tell me how jfs fairs? |
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| 03:35.01 | Arafangion | diomedes: WHo cares. How doe sit compare to *you*? |
| 03:35.06 | COLD_STEAL | can someone help me |
| 03:35.29 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: same answer as before |
| 03:35.46 | COLD_STEAL | i did ask a ? noone answers |
| 03:35.52 | COLD_STEAL | im doind apt-get install x-windows-system-core kde |
| 03:35.56 | COLD_STEAL | and it says E: package kde has no installation candidate |
| 03:36.04 | COLD_STEAL | what should i do |
| 03:36.08 | diomedes | araf thats it right there, i haven't used linux for along time, solaris is my main os.. guess i'll just use reiser I know it |
| 03:36.11 | cire | cheal: okay, sorry, I have to refine my question: I use dpkg-buildpackage to compile it. And I just would like to know whether it may take 10 minutes, 1 hour, or 3 hours... After compiling, I'll get a deb package, I think. Will this (when installing) automatically replace my old xserver-corg .deb? |
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| 03:36.29 | Arafangion | diomedes: ext3 is the safest. |
| 03:36.29 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: I don't even see any question mark in what you said before "i did ask a ? noone answers" |
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| 03:36.43 | Arafangion | diomedes: reiser is likely to be faster, but I'd hate to see it during a power failure. |
| 03:36.50 | diomedes | yeah but ext3 is slower t |
| 03:36.52 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: first, it's x-window-system-core, not x-windows-system-core |
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| 03:37.16 | Arafangion | diomedes: What is solaris like? |
| 03:37.30 | Arafangion | diomedes: I've been thinking of trying it out, but bottom line is that i don't have time. :( |
| 03:37.32 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: as for the failure to install kde, you should post your sources.list somewhere if you want us to be able to help you |
| 03:37.36 | diomedes | love it, been my main os for about 3 years |
| 03:37.36 | tim_flatus | COLD_STEAL, use a GUI package manager like synaptic if you find apt-get too complicated. |
| 03:37.56 | Arafangion | diomedes: All I know is that solaris has containers. |
| 03:38.01 | COLD_STEAL | what should i do ? bacause im getting an error with apt-get that says E: package kde has no installation candidate |
| 03:38.02 | Arafangion | diomedes: While linux only has chroot. |
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| 03:38.30 | jnc | hey, why is fast scrolling up of middle wheel on mouse (button 5) turn into button 7? |
| 03:38.32 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: you should post your sources.list somewhere if you want us to be able to help you |
| 03:38.35 | miki2 | hey, i cant recompile kernel... im getting 'debian/rules:1637' error |
| 03:38.36 | diomedes | i just have a few spare machines now and want to play with linux again for abit, see how its changed |
| 03:38.37 | jnc | what the heck is that, how do i disable it |
| 03:38.37 | shogunx | Arafangion, linux has xen. |
| 03:38.37 | COLD_STEAL | there is that a good enough question |
| 03:38.39 | miki2 | any help? |
| 03:38.47 | COLD_STEAL | what is that? |
| 03:38.56 | tim_flatus | COLD_STEAL, was that a good enough answer? |
| 03:39.05 | Arafangion | shogunx: Xen is a very heavy-handed approach. |
| 03:39.21 | COLD_STEAL | a source.list |
| 03:39.26 | COLD_STEAL | what is it |
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| 03:39.35 | COLD_STEAL | what is a source.list ? |
| 03:39.37 | Arafangion | diomedes: In a word, more software, more responsive, and can move more data. |
| 03:39.53 | sanmarcos | !sources.list |
| 03:39.54 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 03:40.23 | sanmarcos | COLD_STEAL: try man sources.list |
| 03:40.26 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: it's the file which lists your APT sources, located at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:40.30 | shogunx | Arafangion, which scales nicely with openmosix over big clusters. whats wrong with mainframe-like solutions? |
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| 03:40.42 | nomasteryoda|w | greetings people |
| 03:40.47 | COLD_STEAL | how will i change it i have no gui |
| 03:40.58 | sanmarcos | COLD_STEAL: use a text mode editor |
| 03:41.08 | sanmarcos | COLD_STEAL: nano, vim |
| 03:41.15 | Arafangion | shogunx: mainframes have a very different architecture, not subject to such expensive process switches etc, and have insane bandwidth. |
| 03:41.16 | sanmarcos | COLD_STEAL: vim should be installed by default |
| 03:41.39 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: It's not. |
| 03:41.44 | sanmarcos | vi? |
| 03:41.44 | nomasteryoda|w | finally running sid on my laptop... very sweet |
| 03:41.44 | COLD_STEAL | how would i do that |
| 03:41.45 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Have to install it explicitly. |
| 03:41.46 | gravity | Use nano |
| 03:41.54 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: no default editor? |
| 03:41.56 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: vi might be, I don't know, I hate it, always use vim. |
| 03:41.58 | johngalt | I have a machine that is unable to ping 127.0.0.1. where should I look? I flushed the iptables rules and lo interface is up...I may suspect the ip stack...but how would I check that? |
| 03:41.59 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: Don't mess with vim just yet. Start with nano and work your way to vi |
| 03:42.04 | tim_flatus | COLD_STEAL, then I suggest aptitude for package management. |
| 03:42.07 | gravity | COLD_STEAL: nano yourfile to start editing it |
| 03:42.08 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i run locale-gen, "can not open locale definition file 'i18n'", but i have /usr/share/i18n, why? |
| 03:42.14 | sanmarcos | tim_flatus: no gui |
| 03:42.23 | sanmarcos | TraceGreen: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:42.31 | shogunx | Arafangion, a hypervisor is a hypervisor whether its on a s/390 or an openmosix cluster. its still just virtualizing operating systems, which is the biggest chroot jail of all. |
| 03:42.41 | tim_flatus | sanmarcos, since when did you need GUI for aptitude? |
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| 03:42.44 | Arafangion | shogunx: I don't want a hyperviser. |
| 03:42.55 | sanmarcos | tim_flatus: ah sorry, misread |
| 03:42.55 | Arafangion | shogunx: I want something that will run a program, in complete isolation. |
| 03:43.08 | tim_flatus | sanmarcos, np ;) |
| 03:43.27 | sanmarcos | tim_flatus: does it come installed by default? |
| 03:43.33 | Arafangion | shogunx: Much like a BSD Jail. |
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| 03:44.06 | tim_flatus | sanmarcos, I guess. |
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| 03:44.35 | Arafangion | shogunx: I am not a newbie, although I do consider myself a bit of an academic. |
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| 03:44.44 | shogunx | Arafangion, a vm ensures that, deos it not? |
| 03:44.48 | sanmarcos | tim_flatus: yeah :) |
| 03:45.04 | shogunx | Arafangion, nor am i... hence my engaging you in discussion. |
| 03:45.12 | Arafangion | shogunx: No, a vm doesn't "ensure" that. |
| 03:45.25 | COLD_STEAL | okay im in sorces.list |
| 03:45.29 | zf_ | /NICK |
| 03:45.45 | COLD_STEAL | what should i do now? |
| 03:46.33 | COLD_STEAL | i only have security.debian.org in it |
| 03:46.54 | shogunx | Arafangion, limit the amount of memory the process can eat, the amount of processor it gets... boot it from a dasd and don't give it any virtual or real network interfaces, and its pretty much in complete isolation, no? |
| 03:46.56 | COLD_STEAL | should i add others? |
| 03:47.22 | tim_flatus | COLD_STEAL, yep you need the main debian sourcees. |
| 03:47.37 | COLD_STEAL | where is that located? |
| 03:49.04 | COLD_STEAL | would that be this http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 03:49.16 | Arafangion | shogunx: The mere fact that perl runs in a vm doesn't make it isolated or more secure, does it? |
| 03:49.17 | sanmarcos | stable distribution packages |
| 03:49.29 | sanmarcos | COLD_STEAL: why do you want to change sources.list? |
| 03:49.32 | COLD_STEAL | or this http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages |
| 03:49.36 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: rather than editing sources.list, you should use apt-setup if you use stable |
| 03:49.37 | Arafangion | shogunx: And the kernel is perfectly capable of doign what you just described, except for the booting it from a dasd bit. |
| 03:49.57 | COLD_STEAL | okay how would i do that? |
| 03:50.32 | shogunx | Arafangion, thats a very different type of vm too. |
| 03:50.41 | Arafangion | shogunx: How about Java? |
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| 03:51.28 | shogunx | Arafangion, thats quite a resource hog way to run processes... i've seen java vm's cripple client machiens by choking off to many resources. |
| 03:51.38 | COLD_STEAL | yes its working thank you |
| 03:51.42 | zinx | Arafangion: no. he's talking more like UML, vmware, qemu, etc |
| 03:51.45 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: as root, # apt-setup |
| 03:52.08 | Arafangion | zinx: It is no different. |
| 03:52.10 | COLD_STEAL | i did that and a chose a debian ftp |
| 03:52.19 | zinx | Arafangion: It is very different. |
| 03:52.28 | shogunx | zinx right. xen just lets you slice up your physical resources to the different vms running. |
| 03:52.41 | Arafangion | shogunx: java plays *badly* with paging. |
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| 03:52.57 | zinx | Arafangion: perl/java and ilk are designed to provide access to the host computer, and designed to function like a normal program in the host computer |
| 03:53.05 | Arafangion | zinx: Not entirely. Realise that Java is essentially a platform. |
| 03:53.09 | COLD_STEAL | then i did apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 03:53.12 | alpha255 | xen seems pretty nice for running test bed vms |
| 03:53.16 | zinx | Arafangion: realize that you are full of shit |
| 03:53.20 | Arafangion | zinx: Not correct, Java is designed to _remove_ access to a host computer. |
| 03:53.40 | COLD_STEAL | what should i do after that? |
| 03:53.47 | zinx | Arafangion: then why does it supply file I/O, threads, process spawning, unlimited memory usage? |
| 03:54.07 | Arafangion | zinx: Depends on how it's setup. |
| 03:54.09 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: did it work? kde installed? |
| 03:54.20 | zinx | Arafangion: you're misunderstanding something somewhere, and I'm not sure what or where it is. |
| 03:54.20 | COLD_STEAL | its still installing |
| 03:54.39 | Arafangion | zinx: I would say we are at the very least, talking at cross purposes. |
| 03:54.46 | COLD_STEAL | after what would i do? |
| 03:54.48 | zinx | Arafangion: what UML/vmware/qemu do is very very different from what java/perl do. |
| 03:54.49 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: well, after that KDE should be installed |
| 03:55.06 | kspath | There is a difference between a virtual machine and an environment. |
| 03:55.07 | zinx | Arafangion: in that in UML/vmware/qemu, the access to the system is *VERY* limited |
| 03:55.08 | COLD_STEAL | then do i type start kde |
| 03:55.32 | zinx | Arafangion: you can not allocate an unbounded amount of memory, and you can only access the network if it's been provided, and so on for other resources |
| 03:55.34 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: if you don't know, you should probably install kdm |
| 03:55.37 | Arafangion | zinx: You realise that originally, Java was intended to _be_ an OS? |
| 03:55.39 | zinx | Arafangion: you get one process |
| 03:55.40 | shogunx | zinx and with xen, it is apportioned. |
| 03:55.53 | zinx | Arafangion: that is not what java is, regardless of what it was supposed to be |
| 03:55.54 | shogunx | very elegant really. |
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| 03:56.20 | COLD_STEAL | 50% |
| 03:56.38 | seek | shouldnt a 1 gig hd be able to handle x-window-system and database? |
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| 03:56.55 | kspath | seek: Handle? |
| 03:57.22 | seek | shouldnt 1 gig be enough space on the hd for these two apps? |
| 03:57.33 | cheal | seek: yes |
| 03:58.15 | seek | I try loading both and an error is giving that possibly there is no space |
| 03:58.52 | shogunx | Arafangion, I'll leave it at this. If Java had downloaded and executed a remote install of x/86 solaris on all those windows machines, then i would have considered it impressive. |
| 03:59.19 | kspath | seek: If your only and total space is only 1 GB and you are not giving us more information I am not sure what all could be the issue(s). |
| 03:59.22 | Arafangion | shogunx: Solaris hasn't been ported to java. |
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| 04:00.26 | seek | kspath: that is the size of the hd. I am not sure what other info would be helpful to troubleshoot the problem |
| 04:00.40 | alpha255 | i thought schwarts had replaced mcnealy? |
| 04:00.46 | alpha255 | not java |
| 04:00.50 | shogunx | it would not have to be. the java app would only need downlad a kernel/ramdisk and execute then fetch from the netwrok |
| 04:00.52 | alpha255 | ;) |
| 04:01.22 | kspath | seek: what space was left after base install and any other applications were installed? |
| 04:01.41 | Arafangion | shogunx: Let's leave it that you have an administrator's perspective on the matter, and I have a programmer's perspective? |
| 04:02.04 | kspath | seek: Did you try installing X first and seeing it install fine and then tried to install postgresql or mysql for openldap or whatever? |
| 04:02.19 | seek | ok i just tried loading just the x-window-system and this is the error I get:There was a problem installing the selected software One or more packages failed to install. This may be due to buigs in the packages, or you may be out of disk space or experiencing some other problem |
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| 04:02.58 | kspath | seek: df -k says what? |
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| 04:03.35 | kspath | seek: If you prefer df -h |
| 04:04.17 | alpha255 | what's the differnce .... ? 3.1 sarge vs. 3.1r0a sarge? |
| 04:04.39 | seek | kspath just a sec |
| 04:04.57 | kspath | alpha255: 3.1r1a I think is the most recent though I am only half awake now |
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| 04:05.17 | alpha255 | is r0a newer than 3.1 then? |
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| 04:05.29 | cheal | alpha255: 3.1 sarge is more general than 3.1r0a sarge |
| 04:05.29 | shogunx | Arafangion, I own a s/390 and an openmosix cluster, the latter i built myself. I also own a ring, which i designed the routing architecture of and wrote the code to integrate it. Leave it however you like. |
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| 04:06.42 | alpha255 | i'm leaning towards the dvd |
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| 04:06.54 | Arafangion | shogunx: Then I'll definetly assume that you certainly know what you were talking about, so it was a conflict of view. |
| 04:07.44 | seek | kspath: /dev/hda1 910803 909191 0 100% / |
| 04:07.59 | kspath | seek: New install? |
| 04:08.21 | Arafangion | What is the most fully featured yet reliable jabber server for the gtk toolkit? (Alternatively, wx) |
| 04:08.28 | seek | kspath: tmpfs 47484 0 47484 0% /dev/shm |
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| 04:08.51 | seek | kspath: yes new install |
| 04:08.54 | kspath | seek: I have nothing less than 4GB drives and most of mine are 20GB or much larger. I have not seen a 1GB drive in 4+ years. |
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| 04:09.23 | Arafangion | kspath: I saw a whole pile of htem on my mailling list. |
| 04:09.28 | seek | kspath: I know it is an old hd |
| 04:09.47 | shogunx | Arafangion, you know the ibm ess-2105 shark storage device? i ported linux to mine;) |
| 04:09.53 | kspath | seek: What all did you try to install? |
| 04:10.03 | seek | so do I need a bigger hd? |
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| 04:10.16 | kspath | Arafangion: You can but they are far from common as they once were. |
| 04:10.34 | Arafangion | shogunx: Nice :) I wish that I've done something like that, but keep getting distracted :) (Writing a game for uni atm) |
| 04:11.01 | kspath | seek: No, not unless you are trying to install too much. |
| 04:11.15 | seek | kspath: x-window and database from install config screens |
| 04:11.31 | Arafangion | seek: I have used less than 3G, but it's a fresh installation. |
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| 04:11.44 | kspath | seek: You might be able to squish X and a DB onto one maybe but I have not tried it. |
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| 04:12.06 | Arafangion | seek: You mentioned you had a 20GB? |
| 04:12.29 | kspath | seek: I normally do a base install than install whatever else I want by hand later or script it. |
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| 04:12.53 | seek | kspath: so I do need a bigger hd no arafangion only a 1 gig |
| 04:12.57 | Pegger | what is the best radius server? |
| 04:13.03 | kspath | Arafangion: seek has a 1GB drive. I mentioned I have 20GB drives in some things. |
| 04:13.21 | COLD_STEAL | i have a new problem |
| 04:13.21 | kspath | Pegger: Best? |
| 04:13.24 | Arafangion | seek: Hmm, my brand new installation, just has tasksel "desktop environment", and I'm already up to 2.3 |
| 04:13.25 | Pegger | is freeradius better then openradius or vice versa, looking for suggestions of what to go with |
| 04:13.25 | seek | kspath: so how do I install by manually apt-get install and then what |
| 04:13.32 | COLD_STEAL | i cant start kde |
| 04:13.32 | atrus | Arafangion: i'm going to assume you mean jabber client. gajim seems pretty full-featured, although I use gossip for day-to-day IM'ing. |
| 04:13.35 | Pegger | kspath, yaha works the best |
| 04:13.37 | kspath | Pegger: freeradius does not work well enough? |
| 04:13.42 | ming | i have alsa working and my sound card detected and no permission problems |
| 04:13.44 | COLD_STEAL | or x |
| 04:13.47 | ming | but i have no sound |
| 04:13.50 | ming | can some one help me |
| 04:14.06 | Arafangion | atrus: I was just thinking - I do more one-on-one chat or _sometimes_ a goup chat, which do you prefer? |
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| 04:14.08 | kspath | Pegger: Test both. |
| 04:14.19 | Pegger | kspath, ok then I guess I will be goign with freeradius, and I really want to set it up with a postgresql backend |
| 04:14.21 | Arafangion | atrus: Does gossip support transports well? |
| 04:14.44 | seek | ok thanks folks. |
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| 04:15.22 | COLD_STEAL | can someone help me i dont know how to start kde if i do #startkde i get kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 04:15.23 | atrus | Arafangion: it's not especially good at registering on them, although if you register with another jabber client then switch to gossip, it works fine. |
| 04:15.37 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: start kdm instead |
| 04:15.53 | COLD_STEAL | okay |
| 04:16.12 | COLD_STEAL | command not found |
| 04:16.40 | Pegger | has anyone done a freeradius+postgresql debian setup before |
| 04:16.54 | fluvvell | try /etc/init.c/kdm start |
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| 04:17.57 | apacker | My newfound usb kbd and mice are extraordinarily sluggish. Even at the terminal (no Xserver) the kbd is sluggish. Does this sound remotely familiar in ANY way to ANYONE? |
| 04:18.05 | Arafangion | atrus: I'll give it a shot, thanks :) |
| 04:18.13 | kspath | Pegger: consider asking such specialized questions on debian mailing list(s) that are appropriate as well. There might be people there that know things that are not on IRC when you are. Also consider searching debian mailing list archives. |
| 04:18.15 | fluvvell | is anyone a frequent compile from tar.gz user that can give some advise on a kernel module install? |
| 04:18.25 | apacker | I have no idea where to even begin to look. it seems like USB is now set up to work properly - at least, it finds the devices when they are plugged in |
| 04:18.49 | apacker | This is not an X issue considering that the keyboard is also slow completely outside of X |
| 04:18.51 | fluvvell | I have a " No rule to make target `modules'. problem |
| 04:19.01 | Pegger | kspath, ok not a bad idea, just thought I would start here |
| 04:19.05 | Arafangion | apacker: Key rate delay? |
| 04:19.24 | apacker | Arafangion, how to set this? also note mouse is slow inside X - seems to be a common problem but maybe coincidence.... |
| 04:19.25 | Pegger | the web is not yealding that many usefull articles |
| 04:19.34 | COLD_STEAL | no such file or directory |
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| 04:20.21 | apacker | Arafangion, perhaps to help diagnose problem... shoudl I try to get mouse working better under X? I may not have xorg.conf set correctly for my simple Logitech USB mouse. |
| 04:20.35 | kspath | Pegger: What you are trying to do is most often done by ISP/NSP network/systems engineers for dialup pools. |
| 04:20.39 | apacker | Arafangion, I have absolutely no clue how to even BEGIN attacking this problem. |
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| 04:21.14 | apacker | Arafangion, for example, what /dev/foo/bar are these USB devices??? internet says it (usb driver) should tell me when they are plugged in but it DOES not say anything like "HEY THAT NEW MOUSE is /dev/mouse you dork" |
| 04:21.20 | zasz | that's annoying |
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| 04:21.26 | Pegger | kspath, yaha so, woudl you like to know what I need it for insted of telling me what other people use it for? |
| 04:21.42 | Arafangion | apacker: You can setup the kernel to have /dev/inputs/mice or something. |
| 04:22.04 | dondelelcaro | USB by default uses /dev/input/mice |
| 04:22.07 | apacker | Arafangion, /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0 exist among other /dev/input/blah items |
| 04:22.11 | kspath | Pegger: No, thank you. That is why I said "most often" not exclusively. Good luck. |
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| 04:22.41 | Arafangion | apacker: Just use dev/input/mice |
| 04:22.41 | apacker | dondelelcaro, should more /dev/input/mice + mouse movement yield characters at the terminal inside X? |
| 04:22.57 | Arafangion | apacker: No. |
| 04:22.58 | dondelelcaro | apacker: presumably. |
| 04:22.58 | COLD_STEAL | kde or kdm wont start |
| 04:23.09 | Arafangion | apacker: Oh, yes. |
| 04:23.21 | apacker | Arafangion, dondelelcaro xorg.conf mouse is currently set to /dev/input/mice, so I guess THAT is not the problem. |
| 04:23.21 | Arafangion | *tests* |
| 04:23.50 | Arafangion | apacker: do you have usbmouse installed? What driver does X think the mouse is using? |
| 04:23.56 | dondelelcaro | apacker: that is an x problem, actually. |
| 04:24.00 | dondelelcaro | apacker: the mouse is moving, right? |
| 04:24.13 | apacker | Arafangion, dondelelcaro 'more /dev/input/mice' does give strange characters upon movment, just extraordinaily sluggishly. |
| 04:24.18 | apacker | dondelelcaro, yes mouse moving |
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| 04:24.43 | apacker | dondelelcaro, tried different protocols in xorg.conf for mouse... so far, "Auto" "ImPS/2" and "Logitech" |
| 04:24.46 | Arafangion | *bangs head*. "What username are you using: username" |
| 04:24.50 | Arafangion | Damn, I need more sleep. |
| 04:24.53 | dondelelcaro | apacker: then use xset m; to alter the acceleration parameters of the mouse; alter xset r; to change the repeat rate of the keyboard |
| 04:25.05 | Arafangion | apacker: It is very likely to be "ImPS/2" |
| 04:25.15 | dondelelcaro | apacker: if you mean that the keyboard is taking a really long time to notice a single key, and it's usb; run dmesg. |
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| 04:26.21 | sanmarcos | does apt have a function to view achangelog between releases? |
| 04:26.35 | Arafangion | apacker: You don't have usb debugging modules loaded, by any chance? |
| 04:26.40 | apacker | dondelelcaro, ok, starting with the mouse (kbd not currently plugged in via usb otherwise i cant talk to you, oh joy!) |
| 04:27.01 | ayecee | i recall that there was a package or program for debian that would show you all files that are not owned by a package, but I can't seem to find it. Any idea what it may be called? |
| 04:27.09 | apacker | dondelelcaro, suggestions for 'xset m foo' ? im just triaal and error after reading "man xset" and the values of 1 and .5 dont work so hot... |
| 04:27.23 | apacker | Arafangion, unless that happens automagically... |
| 04:28.45 | apacker | dondelelcaro, OK, I have completely lost sight of my mouse. goddamn its a wonder i ever run linux. how can people rag on windows when most things JUST WORK |
| 04:29.06 | ayecee | apacker, greener pasture syndrome. |
| 04:29.19 | apacker | ayecee, no way man. i use windows and debian at work. |
| 04:29.23 | cheal | sanmarcos: I'm not sure about what you want exactly, but you might want to check apt-listchanges |
| 04:29.30 | apacker | ayecee, guess which one "just works" more often :) |
| 04:29.35 | dondelelcaro | apacker: uh... complaining like that isn't exactly a good way to get my assistance. |
| 04:29.38 | sanmarcos | cheal: thanks |
| 04:29.59 | apacker | dondelelcaro, ok, sorry. google reveals "xset m 5 1" and "xset m 5 10" as good options. neither works. further ideas? |
| 04:30.02 | ayecee | apacker, i mean, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. that's why people rag on windows - they haven't enjoyed linux yet :) |
| 04:30.18 | alpha255 | what about debian and ubuntu at work :) |
| 04:30.34 | alpha255 | and ubuntu at home |
| 04:30.35 | dondelelcaro | apacker: is this a USB mouse? Have you examined what dmesg; says about your usb mouse when you plug it in? |
| 04:30.41 | apacker | dondelelcaro, Though I did just switch from PS2 to USB it is physically the same mouse (had an adapter) before. I somewhat don't think it's an X setting problem, but what do I know? |
| 04:30.53 | Kupal[] | I have two pipes. One internet, the other is internet 6mb high lag, the other a dedicated t1. I have alot of traffic either side of the pipe. I would like to make a linux box with 4 ethernet interfaces that load balances the traffic on a per mac basis, and also does qos so that lowlatency traffic is priority, travels down one pipe, spare bw on that pipe gives to bulk its okay lag traffic. The other connection is a 7mb internet traff |
| 04:30.55 | apacker | dondelelcaro, yes, would you like to see it on #flood ? |
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| 04:32.02 | dondelelcaro | apacker: sure, |
| 04:32.05 | apacker | dondelelcaro, im going to paraphrase because i cannot actually highlight+paste w/o the mouse! ah the humor. |
| 04:32.11 | Kupal[] | can anyone recommend a disto pre-built or otherwise that does iptables, traffic, shaping, and balancing that is "ok"? |
| 04:32.24 | apacker | dondelelcaro, input: logitech usb-ps2 optical mouse as /class/input/input2 |
| 04:32.42 | apacker | dondelelcaro, USB HID v.1.10 Mouse [ logitech usb ps2 optical mouse] on usb-0000:00:07.2-1 |
| 04:32.56 | dondelelcaro | apacker: sure you can. /exec -o dmesg |tail -n 10; |
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| 04:33.21 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever N is appropriate) |
| 04:33.39 | apacker | dondelelcaro, right, its not at the end. last time I unplugged the mouse it didnt come back when i plugged it back in |
| 04:33.51 | ayecee | Kupal[], I don't know anything prepackaged like that. Seems like you'd need to use some unholy combination of bgp, iptables and iproute2 to implement that. |
| 04:33.52 | apacker | dondelelcaro, I just gave you wahts in my dmesg from before, when the computer boots |
| 04:33.58 | dondelelcaro | apacker: uh... if that's not happening, you've got something else going on. |
| 04:34.03 | COLD_STEAL | okay can someone help me start kde |
| 04:34.11 | dondelelcaro | apacker: is this a real usb mouse or is it some stupid ps/2 usb bridge? |
| 04:34.14 | apacker | dondelelcaro, such as? or ways to begin diagnosis? |
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| 04:34.39 | apacker | dondelelcaro, it has a usb plug on the end. does that answer your question? |
| 04:34.47 | dondelelcaro | apacker: only a usb plug? |
| 04:34.56 | apacker | dondelelcaro, there is no bridge or adapter that I can see, unless it is on the inside. correct, ONLY usb plug. |
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| 04:35.20 | dondelelcaro | apacker: and when you plug it in, there are no more events in dmesg? |
| 04:35.22 | apacker | dondelelcaro, someone did not slap a ps2->usb converter on a ps2 mouse and try to sell it to me as a usb mouse. |
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| 04:35.37 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: did you try starting kdm? |
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| 04:35.48 | Toast | how can i find out the name of my wireless device for setting up my wifi card? |
| 04:35.48 | apacker | dondelelcaro, just unplugged and plugged back in, about to run your command from before... |
| 04:35.56 | apacker | APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
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| 04:36.14 | dondelelcaro | apacker: not here... in #flood... |
| 04:36.24 | apacker | dondelelcaro, right, I got that now. |
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| 04:36.41 | COLD_STEAL | yes i did and it just terns black |
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| 04:36.52 | apacker | dondelelcaro, didnt realize that would execute sending it OUT, thought I could copy-paste, join #flood, hit enter... anyway, you saw it or now? |
| 04:37.09 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: the screen turns black? |
| 04:37.21 | apacker | dondelelcaro, its in flood as well now. |
| 04:37.43 | COLD_STEAL | yes it turns black |
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| 04:37.53 | COLD_STEAL | if i just put kdm |
| 04:38.03 | apacker | dondelelcaro, you can see where I disconnected, and though I have now reconnected the computer seems unaware and the mouse is off. |
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| 04:38.10 | COLD_STEAL | and if i put startkdm it s not a command |
| 04:38.51 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: that looks bad. what do you do after it turns black? |
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| 04:39.16 | fluvvell | !op |
| 04:39.28 | dondelelcaro | fluvvell: ? |
| 04:40.01 | fluvvell | well, did I ring a doorbell? Sorry, was trying to see who channel ops were. |
| 04:40.24 | COLD_STEAL | it goes back to the shell |
| 04:40.28 | fluvvell | dondelelcaro, are you any good at compiling from source? |
| 04:40.30 | apacker | dondelelcaro, stumped, thinking, giving up? can you at least point me in some directions as to where I should look for funky usb stuff? I've read dmesg, /var/log/foo, etc. |
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| 04:40.33 | dondelelcaro | fluvvell: just ask your question. |
| 04:40.40 | gravity | What's source? |
| 04:40.55 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: so it goes black for some time then goes back to the shell by itself? |
| 04:41.03 | COLD_STEAL | yes |
| 04:41.09 | dondelelcaro | gravity: that stuff that comes in an orig.tar.gz that keeps you awake at night, apparently. |
| 04:41.13 | fluvvell | I have a kernel module for intel536 modem, when trying to compile I get " No rule to make target `modules'. problem |
| 04:41.19 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It does indeed |
| 04:41.30 | gravity | Although it's far more the packaging lately :- |
| 04:41.42 | dondelelcaro | apacker: you've got a more serious problem, because the kernel isn't seeing the device when it is plugged in. It also seems that you've got some APIC issues, like you're using a PoS abit bp6 motherboard. |
| 04:41.45 | fluvvell | I'm missing some packages, but which ones. I have the headers, the kernel source and the right gcc++ etc compilers |
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| 04:42.09 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: are you able to see something particular in kdm's log (located in /var/log/)? |
| 04:42.23 | apacker | dondelelcaro, I'm sure the motherboard is a PoS (the cpu is a celeron too). Are these issues related? Is the APIC one "a big deal" ? |
| 04:42.23 | COLD_STEAL | let me check |
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| 04:42.46 | dondelelcaro | apacker: no, it's just telling you that the motherboard sucks. ;-) |
| 04:42.51 | DamianXL | ? |
| 04:43.03 | dondelelcaro | apacker: the more interesting one is that it's not getting any insertion events for the usb device. |
| 04:43.03 | DamianXL | anyone reading me? |
| 04:43.06 | dondelelcaro | DamianXL: no. |
| 04:43.09 | DamianXL | lol |
| 04:43.20 | DamianXL | hey i just installed apache2 on debian |
| 04:43.35 | DamianXL | i changed Serverroot to "/www" |
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| 04:43.52 | DamianXL | i put an "index.html" in there.... yet apache keeps displaying it's starting page |
| 04:43.54 | apacker | dondelelcaro, which could be caused by... ? faulty kernel reading my whacky shiznit? oh, what bios options are related? I added "usb legacy" support in the bios way early in this process in case any of my shit was old... was that stupid? |
| 04:44.00 | DamianXL | i changed it in "apache.conf" |
| 04:44.05 | COLD_STEAL | there is allot |
| 04:44.08 | dondelelcaro | DamianXL: there's a redirect rule which is redirecting it to the default site. |
| 04:44.14 | COLD_STEAL | in the log |
| 04:44.19 | dondelelcaro | apacker: oh. Turn off the usb legacy support. |
| 04:44.24 | BlackJud1s | brb restarting gnome :o |
| 04:44.26 | apacker | dondelelcaro, brb |
| 04:44.40 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: perhaps you should post the log somewhere |
| 04:44.52 | DamianXL | dondelecaro: oh? Where is it? |
| 04:45.00 | COLD_STEAL | how i dont have a gui |
| 04:45.05 | dondelelcaro | DamianXL: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-site or some such and remove the RewriteRule line (or comment it out) |
| 04:45.16 | COLD_STEAL | is there a ftp client? |
| 04:45.20 | dondelelcaro | DamianXL: you should also set the DocumentRoot there, not in the apache.conf. |
| 04:45.23 | dondelelcaro | COLD_STEAL: use lftp. |
| 04:45.33 | DamianXL | oh |
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| 04:45.53 | COLD_STEAL | it doesnt have it |
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| 04:45.54 | dondelelcaro | or better, set the document root in your real virtualhost, and disable the default site. |
| 04:45.59 | dondelelcaro | COLD_STEAL: install it, then. |
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| 04:46.16 | dondelelcaro | you could also just use 'ftp', but that's rather craptacular. |
| 04:46.21 | DamianXL | virtualhosts?!?!? |
| 04:46.32 | DamianXL | this thing allready has virtualhostst working?!? |
| 04:46.33 | DamianXL | wtf? |
| 04:46.37 | dondelelcaro | of course. |
| 04:46.38 | DamianXL | in windows i had to enable it... |
| 04:46.44 | DamianXL | in windows-apache |
| 04:47.06 | dondelelcaro | it's on by default; you can disable it if you don't load mod_vhost iirc, but almost everyone wants it. |
| 04:47.29 | DamianXL | me2 |
| 04:47.35 | DamianXL | but thought i had to start it... heheh |
| 04:47.42 | DamianXL | too bad PHP isn't allready enabled |
| 04:47.45 | DamianXL | ;) |
| 04:48.08 | dondelelcaro | that's a totally separate module; but it's trivial to install and enable. |
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| 04:49.00 | peej | I have a large text I want to copy to the clipboard and paste with a middle click. If it were one page, I'd just select it. Over a few pages I'd increase the number of scroll lines saved in my term and shift-page up and repeatedly select and middle-button-paste. What's the smart way to copy to the xclipboard for large text - several 10s of pages? |
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| 04:50.02 | apacker | dondelelcaro, mouse still acting funny. should I test removal and reconnection? |
| 04:50.08 | dondelelcaro | apacker: yes |
| 04:50.49 | apacker | dondelelcaro, disconnect reported to dmesg. upon reconnection, again mouse light stays off and nothing happens in dmesg |
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| 04:51.42 | dondelelcaro | apacker: wait, the mouse light stays off? |
| 04:51.58 | apacker | dondelelcaro, yes, thats what i meant earlier when I said the mouse stays off. |
| 04:52.08 | dondelelcaro | apacker: that sounds suspiciously like a hardware problem of some sort; that should have nothing to do with the driver being detected. |
| 04:52.20 | apacker | dondelelcaro, it's an optical mouse. the light goes out ONLY after i disconnect and reconnect. |
| 04:52.34 | COLD_STEAL | is that a I or an L |
| 04:52.36 | apacker | dondelelcaro, i.e. when computer boots, light is one, mouse is responded. |
| 04:52.40 | apacker | dondelelcaro, *responding |
| 04:52.42 | COLD_STEAL | for the ftp |
| 04:52.50 | dondelelcaro | l not i. |
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| 04:52.55 | blaheva | can anyone assist me with vnc |
| 04:52.58 | dondelelcaro | or, l not I. |
| 04:53.09 | peej | apacker: how's it behave in knoppix? Always good to check if it's a debian thing or a hardware thing. |
| 04:53.31 | apacker | peej, that's an interesting point. i dont have any knoppix things lying around. |
| 04:54.15 | apacker | peej, if you can point me to a place that will allow me to burn a "this will work" type thing i can try that i guess... enver really messed with knoppix |
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| 04:54.28 | apacker | dondelelcaro, peej ftr this mouse works fine as psmouse |
| 04:54.44 | dondelelcaro | apacker: just use it as a psmouse then. |
| 04:55.09 | peej | ja, but der blinkenlights is gut! |
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| 04:55.16 | apacker | dondelelcaro, believe it or not i started on this endeavor this evening specifically because i want to plug my mouse into my keyboard. |
| 04:55.29 | COLD_STEAL | okay i have lftp |
| 04:55.37 | COLD_STEAL | how do i get the file now |
| 04:55.44 | COLD_STEAL | im logged in my ftp |
| 04:55.44 | apacker | dondelelcaro, also, some point in the unforeseeable, blue-sky, will-never-work-on-Linux-for-me I would like to use USB Flash Drives. |
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| 04:55.54 | dondelelcaro | COLD_STEAL: what file are you trying to get? |
| 04:56.04 | dondelelcaro | COLD_STEAL: just cd bar/baz/bleh; get foofile; |
| 04:56.17 | dondelelcaro | COLD_STEAL: man lftp; for complete details. |
| 04:56.46 | apacker | dondelelcaro, are you thinking a mobo usb issue or a mouse issue? |
| 04:57.04 | dondelelcaro | apacker: motherboard most likely... |
| 04:57.06 | BlackJud1s | Ehh... so, how to I debug audio? Been a while since I can't listen to music ;) |
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| 04:57.14 | dondelelcaro | apacker: assuming it's the motherboard that I think it is. |
| 04:57.29 | BlackJud1s | I'm part of the audio group, alsamixer runs no problem... the speakers are plugged in, the volume is up... |
| 04:57.47 | apacker | dondelelcaro, I actually built this machine from spare parts, which is partially why its so shitty. Could I have fucked up some jumpers so that USB only half-works? that seems completely illogical. |
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| 04:58.10 | apacker | dondelelcaro, e.g. if i failed to plug in the usb ports ok but thats obviously not the case here |
| 04:58.14 | minerale | I mounted a ntfs partition on a second hard drive... it mounts fine but when I try to use it ... ls hangs |
| 04:58.17 | dondelelcaro | apacker: no, it could very well be that USB happens to suck on that motherboard, or the version of the bios that you've got installed on it. |
| 04:58.22 | dondelelcaro | minerale: check dmesg. |
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| 04:59.10 | unstable | What is the best way to take an image(map) from a pdf, and lose as litttle quality as possible? |
| 04:59.29 | unstable | Do I take a screenshot of xpdf viewing the pdf, or how can I convert it to png or something? |
| 04:59.33 | apacker | unstable, what format do you want it in if not pdf? |
| 04:59.43 | dondelelcaro | unstable: import is usually what I end up doing. |
| 04:59.49 | peej | BlackJud1s : it's a black art in debian sometimes. Especially on laptops. Modules for sound running? xmms says? |
| 04:59.50 | unstable | apacker: png |
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| 05:00.48 | shogunx | unstable gimp might be able to do that. |
| 05:00.59 | BlackJud1s | peej, yeah modules are loaded |
| 05:01.07 | BlackJud1s | peej, xmms isn't installed, do I need to? |
| 05:01.17 | minerale | dondelelcaro: ... i'm not sure what to look for in dmesg |
| 05:01.20 | BlackJud1s | rhythmbox works... well it certainly looks like it's playing music. |
| 05:01.21 | apacker | dondelelcaro, interestingly, all the usb-related messages in dmesg seem to be quite happy. Found some sorta hub, doin this, doin that... no weirdness |
| 05:01.35 | dondelelcaro | unstable: you can also do convert -density '300x300' foo.pdf foo.png; iirc. |
| 05:01.40 | menko | unstable: I believe imagemagick can open pdfs directly (and can then save as an image) |
| 05:01.48 | dondelelcaro | unstable: but I seem to remember the output from that being less than thrilling. |
| 05:02.01 | shogunx | menko hey, thats pretty nice. |
| 05:02.44 | dondelelcaro | minerale: if ls is hanging, the drive may have something wrong with it; dmesg should give you details. |
| 05:03.00 | dondelelcaro | apacker: right, on boot... but it should do that exact same thing when you plug and unplug. |
| 05:03.13 | minerale | dondelelcaro: It's a doual boot system, hda1 is my windows drive and it boots up fine |
| 05:03.15 | apacker | dondelelcaro, but maybe i forgot to install something to teach it to that |
| 05:03.33 | peej | BlackJud1s : you don't need to, but if it barfs, the error messages help diagnose. If stuff is playing silently, have you tried maxing the volumes on the non-obvious devices (eg cd, mike) ? I've had machines on which that sort of thing was needed |
| 05:04.22 | apacker | dondelelcaro, maybe some hotplug b.s.? or some kernel module I *should* have but managed to not get the headers/source/tarballed-gzip-conf-foo-bar-baz |
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| 05:04.28 | BlackJud1s | Yep, maxed :( it's super odd. |
| 05:04.37 | BlackJud1s | mpg321 plays though |
| 05:04.47 | BlackJud1s | just seems anything in gnome is busted |
| 05:04.51 | dondelelcaro | apacker: unlikely. If you're using the debian kernel, it just works on non-sucky hardware. |
| 05:05.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:05.14 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:05.14 | apacker | dondelelcaro, wow. ok. bedtime :) thanks for trying! |
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| 05:06.39 | COLD_STEAL | okay i got the log |
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| 05:06.53 | COLD_STEAL | http://itrash.no-ip.org/kdm.log |
| 05:06.56 | Arafangion | !java |
| 05:06.56 | dpkg | well, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 05:09.43 | COLD_STEAL | dondelelcaro i got the log |
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| 05:10.38 | peej | BlackJud1s : I'm a bit hazy but I think alsa vs oss issues maybe the problem. mpg123 -o alsa plays stuff with alsa, default mpg123 plays with oss. Confusing to me, too actually. |
| 05:11.10 | COLD_STEAL | so what should i do |
| 05:11.18 | peej | !dpkg sound? |
| 05:11.19 | dpkg | well, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 05:12.03 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: what does # mdetect; output? |
| 05:12.14 | BlackJud1s | peej, it's mpg321, though I assum the cmdline switches are the same. |
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| 05:12.19 | BlackJud1s | K I'll try it. |
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| 05:13.51 | COLD_STEAL | unknown command |
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| 05:14.04 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: install mdetect |
| 05:14.51 | peej | BlackJud1s : yeah, the -o switch is for mpg321. Just mpg123 links to mpg321 in u***tu |
| 05:15.26 | peej | I have a large text I want to copy to the clipboard and paste with a middle click. If it were one page, I'd just select it. Over a few pages I'd increase the number of scroll lines saved in my term and shift-page up and repeatedly select and middle-button-paste. What's the smart way to copy to the xclipboard for large text - several 10s of pages? |
| 05:15.38 | COLD_STEAL | okay is says |
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| 05:15.57 | COLD_STEAL | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.04 | BlackJud1s | Hmm works fine :/ with mpg321 either way. |
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| 05:16.11 | COLD_STEAL | intellimouse |
| 05:16.16 | BlackJud1s | Nothing in gnome. wtf. |
| 05:16.18 | COLD_STEAL | and thas it |
| 05:16.27 | jm_ | peej: check if xclip can help you |
| 05:16.44 | cheal | COLD_STEAL: try # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; and select those options when you'll be asked for them |
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| 05:18.36 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i run gtk program, system told me: locale not support by xlib, i think it may be the problem of X don't support i18n. |
| 05:18.45 | TraceGreen | but how shall i fix it? |
| 05:18.47 | plasmid | if a netinstall does not come with x-server fonts and whatnot .. what do I need to apt-get to make X functional? |
| 05:19.04 | gravity | plasmid: xfonts-base |
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| 05:19.21 | plasmid | gravity: anything else? to make X complete? |
| 05:19.23 | zasz | how do I get bootx to boot my new 2.6 kernel? it keeps just going to 2.4 even though I installed 2.6 |
| 05:19.30 | gravity | plasmid: Just install x-window-system |
| 05:19.33 | COLD_STEAL | okay |
| 05:19.34 | gravity | plasmid: It'll grab everything |
| 05:19.41 | plasmid | gravity: gotcha. |
| 05:19.46 | chealer9 | COLD_STEAL: sorry, I got disconnected. did you get my last message about trying dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 05:19.54 | jm_ | TraceGreen: configure locales you want to use |
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| 05:20.23 | TraceGreen | jm_, I have config it. |
| 05:20.53 | jm_ | TraceGreen: no you haven't |
| 05:21.02 | TraceGreen | jm_, i use xorg, i think it may be xorg don't support my locale, i just want to know how can i know it? |
| 05:21.19 | peej | jm_ : excellent. Looks like it should work just the way I want. Thanks. |
| 05:21.20 | plasmid | gravity, know anything about how to make my notepad touchpad work? I remember vaguely that I have to set my /etc/xorg.conf line about mouse device to : "ExplorerPS/2" but that's about it. |
| 05:21.33 | TraceGreen | jm_, export LANG=***, i set it. and "locale" shows all right. |
| 05:21.41 | plasmid | gravity, i meant notebook. |
| 05:22.34 | COLD_STEAL | what is video card bus identifier |
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| 05:23.09 | chealer9 | COLD_STEAL: if it says to leave it blank in your case, you probably don't want to know |
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| 05:23.38 | jm_ | TraceGreen: did you configure it via dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 05:24.13 | jm_ | plasmid: first check if kernel knows about it |
| 05:24.18 | COLD_STEAL | it doesnt say to leave blank |
| 05:24.19 | TraceGreen | jm_, no, but i run locale-gen and generate my locale |
| 05:24.42 | jm_ | TraceGreen: does date show output in your locale? |
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| 05:25.15 | jm_ | traceg'locale-gen won't work if it's not mentioned in /etc/locale.gen |
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| 05:25.39 | chealer9 | COLD_STEAL: it should say something about which users should fill it. if you don't see that, just leave it blank |
| 05:26.05 | Toast | i'm tyring to install acx100 and module-assistant is saying it failed "maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives"... i have no clue what this means. can any1 clue me in? |
| 05:26.13 | TraceGreen | jm_, what do you mean of data? i can just see english and system told me: locale not support by xlib |
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| 05:26.24 | dreamil | hi all |
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| 05:26.31 | chealer9 | !tell Toast about non-free |
| 05:26.31 | dreamil | i need some help |
| 05:26.38 | jm_ | TraceGreen: I said date, not data |
| 05:26.40 | dreamil | i have apt-get source'ed a package |
| 05:26.55 | dreamil | and did dpkg-buildpackage in that |
| 05:26.58 | chealer9 | !tell Toast about non-free sources |
| 05:27.14 | dreamil | now i need to make some changes in the src and then create deb |
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| 05:27.44 | dreamil | if i applied my patches to build-tree and then do dpkg-buildpackage, will my changes be applied, or the src dir is cleaned before building? |
| 05:27.56 | TraceGreen | jm_, sorry, but date? do you mean LC_TIME? |
| 05:28.02 | neiras | Hello. My laptop's CD drive seems to be freaking out, giving me such interesting messages as "hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" in dmesg. The drive works fine in windows, but seems to lock up hard under linux - cd refuses to eject, continually makes 'seeking' noises, etc. Can anyone give me a clue as to what causes this kind of error? |
| 05:28.06 | Readon | does debian have the mechanism like rc.local, as it is in redhat, to make an app run on startup? |
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| 05:28.32 | action09 | Readon man update-rc.d |
| 05:28.37 | chealer9 | !tell Readon about rc.local |
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| 05:28.49 | action09 | yes rc.local |
| 05:29.02 | jm_ | it depends on the package, some contain tar file which gets unpacked |
| 05:29.10 | action09 | !tell action09 about rc.local |
| 05:29.11 | jm_ | TraceGreen: never heard of date command? |
| 05:29.19 | Toast | chealer9, whats non free? |
| 05:29.24 | Toast | lol |
| 05:29.38 | jm_ | neiras: typicially it's caused by fucked up discs which can't be read |
| 05:30.15 | michael117 | I want to make a nice eye candy desktop and have a plan for a background with certain sections being clickable to launch applications. How could I accomplish making these sections of the image clickable as launchers? |
| 05:30.22 | neiras | jm_: Hmm. THis happens with anything I throw at it. I've used a lens cleaner, and tried audio CDs, data CDs, burned cds, and some DVD movies, all with the same result |
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| 05:30.55 | TraceGreen | jm_, i know date, but that told me time, yeah, it can run , but i don't know what you want to know, date just tell me the time of my system. |
| 05:31.13 | chealer9 | Toast: it's a section of Debian, which as opposed to main, which contains the majority of the software distributed by Debian, isn't part of Debian because the software isn't DFSG-compliant |
| 05:31.24 | jm_ | TraceGreen: does it report time in selected locale or not? |
| 05:32.02 | peej | TraceGreen : he means is it showing UTC time or your locale's time? |
| 05:32.19 | peej | Pegger: PST or UST. etc. |
| 05:32.36 | peej | s/Pegger/eg/ :-) |
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| 05:33.31 | TraceGreen | jm_, oh! although i set my own locale, but it doesn't show my time. |
| 05:33.38 | sharp | is there an apt-get tool that can disable certain services? |
| 05:33.46 | TraceGreen | peej, thanks! i know jm_ means now. |
| 05:33.50 | Toast | chealer9, is it a bad idea to add "contrib non-free"? or a good idea |
| 05:33.50 | sharp | like appletalk for instance. |
| 05:34.05 | jm_ | neiras: I have seen such shitty drives in the past, it just means that - error when reading from it |
| 05:34.29 | jm_ | TraceGreen: naah it's not about UTC, it's about date using localized names for weekday and your local time format |
| 05:35.00 | neiras | jm_: Heh... it's too bad, seems to be fine under Windows, and used to work fine with Debian. Maybe the drive is gone |
| 05:35.16 | chealer9 | Toast: it's a good idea if you want software that is only there. you have to be aware that this software doesn't respect Debian's standards |
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| 05:35.38 | jm_ | neiras: does it still work in Windows? |
| 05:35.43 | neiras | jm_: Yes |
| 05:36.06 | neiras | jm_: Burns, plays movies, anything I ask |
| 05:36.24 | jm_ | neiras: that is still unusual, perhaps it's using different settings then |
| 05:36.29 | peej | neiras : and you can't pull out data from it at all in linux? |
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| 05:37.27 | neiras | peej: no, it just sits there spinning up, then down, then up, then down. |
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| 05:38.04 | neiras | http://pastebin.com/680449 for hdparm output |
| 05:38.05 | jm_ | neiras: yeah that's typicial of bad drives, they're to eager to work at faster speed and thus causing more read errors |
| 05:38.33 | neiras | jm_: So I suppose Windows is limiting drive speed or something then |
| 05:38.45 | Toast | chealer9, i have 3 debian mirror lines in this file... should i change all the mains? |
| 05:38.56 | jm_ | neiras: I doubt that, but can you hear from the noise if it's working with full speed or not in Windows? |
| 05:39.13 | Toast | chealer9, or just add "contrib non-free" to the end? |
| 05:39.25 | chealer9 | Toast: you don't change main, you add "contrib non-free", yes |
| 05:39.31 | neiras | sounds fine in windows, spins up once and reads till it's done, pretty fast too, must be up around 24x by the sound |
| 05:39.52 | neiras | ooo, found a different related error in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/680451 |
| 05:39.54 | Toast | chealer9, do i have to reboot after that? |
| 05:40.21 | chealer9 | Toast: no. you'll want to update your APT index though |
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| 05:40.33 | peej | neiras : interesting - works fine in windows, not in debian, I mean. This is presumably the windows built-in cd driver. Maybe there is an easy-to-use speed config option in debian for cd drives. |
| 05:40.52 | neiras | peej, yeah, I'm thinking the same thing and googling for it |
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| 05:41.14 | peej | neiras: give your laptop to a developer who does cd driver hacking for linux and I'm sure he'll fix up something like that ;-) |
| 05:41.25 | neiras | but... but... :) |
| 05:41.36 | TraceGreen | jm_, what shall i do? |
| 05:41.38 | Toast | chealer9, alright. it says it doens't know what 'contrib' is |
| 05:41.40 | jm_ | that's pretty weird error, I don't remember ever seeing error=0x51, try googling for it |
| 05:41.46 | jm_ | TraceGreen: run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:41.54 | TraceGreen | jm_, ok |
| 05:42.17 | neiras | jm_: Found this thread on a SUSE list: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2004-02/3371.html |
| 05:42.20 | peej | jm_ : I see them all the time on old dusty cd drives that have rotted away with time. |
| 05:42.45 | neiras | I weep for my drive |
| 05:43.19 | neiras | last Dell I ever buy |
| 05:43.23 | jm_ | peej: 0x41 or 0x51? |
| 05:43.40 | jm_ | neiras: that's not the same |
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| 05:44.15 | Toast | chealer9, got it, thanks |
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| 05:45.42 | xerophyte | if i have something like in the fstab => /var/run/saslauthd /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd none rw,bind 0 0 how can i mount it without rebooting the server |
| 05:45.44 | peej | jm_ : not sure any more. But 0x51 sounds familiar. In any case, the suse thread suggest a fix: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2004-02/3374.html |
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| 05:45.56 | jm_ | peej: yeah, status=0x51 is very common ;) |
| 05:46.09 | Readon | chealer9 , i just want add one line not a script when startup." echo "1024 65000" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range" |
| 05:47.07 | cheal | Readon: that can make a script |
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| 05:50.14 | XxiouxX | Hi.. if I added a new user, how do I allow them on ftp access list? When try to login to ftp, it claims incorrect pass. (VSFTPD) |
| 05:50.33 | Readon | !tell sysctl |
| 05:50.46 | Readon | !tell me sysctl |
| 05:50.54 | Readon | !tell Readon sysctl |
| 05:50.59 | jm_ | XxiouxX: vsftpd will use PAM by default, but you can disable local-users login in its config file |
| 05:51.22 | cheal | !tell Readon about sysctl |
| 05:51.36 | cheal | Readon: there's no "sysctl" factoid |
| 05:52.26 | XxiouxX | I want the user to be able to use ftp. Would PAM allow this by default when the user is added? |
| 05:53.23 | sharp | !mplayer |
| 05:53.23 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 05:53.42 | [myg0t]Silverwar | startkeylogger DCC CHAT ASDFASDFASDFASDF |
| 05:53.45 | [myg0t]Silverwar | fucking owned |
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| 05:53.51 | cheal | !tell sharp about msg the bot |
| 05:53.52 | jm_ | of course, as long as vsftpd allows local logins |
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| 05:54.02 | sharp | !confuse cheal |
| 05:54.02 | dpkg | No, what is their gerbil yesterday, cheal? shirts of the people's republic of tibet with extra cream |
| 05:54.14 | XxiouxX | Hmm.. alright, thanks. |
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| 06:01.11 | Toast | should i go to unstable? |
| 06:01.31 | ejk | If you have to ask that, no. |
| 06:02.04 | Toast | mmm ur prolly right |
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| 06:03.36 | unstable | Toast: sure fuck up your system |
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| 06:03.55 | Gnea | Toast: why do you need to go to unstable? |
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| 06:07.00 | Readon | cheal: thank you, i think sysctl would solve my problem |
| 06:07.26 | jm_ | Readon: you can use sysctl.conf for that |
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| 06:09.44 | Toast | gnea, i'm having trouble wiht acx100 and i heard it works on 2.something hgher than 4? |
| 06:09.54 | Toast | unstable, i love doing that though |
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| 06:11.25 | `ns` | !profanity |
| 06:11.25 | dpkg | [profanity] the one language that all programmers understand. |
| 06:11.41 | Gnea | Toast: 2.6? |
| 06:12.34 | Toast | Gnea, i have 2.4? i think |
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| 06:12.50 | Gnea | Toast: ok, so install a 2.6 kernel, you don't need unstable for that |
| 06:12.53 | Toast | and it won't work so i'm kinda willing to try anything |
| 06:13.15 | Gnea | cat /proc/version will tell you what you're using |
| 06:13.34 | Toast | 2.4.27 |
| 06:13.47 | Gnea | so search for a 2.6 image |
| 06:14.06 | Readon | what does those ,,, mean in passwd of group section? |
| 06:14.19 | Gnea | Readon: those are separators |
| 06:16.00 | Readon | user1:x:1000:1000:user1,,,:/home/user1:/bin/bash separator for what? |
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| 06:16.29 | Toast | Gnea, is it hard to install a new kernel? |
| 06:17.19 | Gnea | Readon: fields |
| 06:17.24 | Gnea | Toast: no |
| 06:17.36 | jm_ | Readon: man 5 passwd |
| 06:17.49 | Gnea | !2.4->2.6 |
| 06:17.49 | dpkg | i guess 2.4->2.6 is easy - just "apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6" (linux-image in etch and sid, use your favorite apt front-end) and install the relevant package for your CPU(s). |
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| 06:20.06 | Kupal[] | anyone recommend a xserver-xorg howto that only runs over the network, no local video at all? |
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| 06:20.45 | Kupal[] | or how one would set that up, historyicall I *I* normally setup the video on local machine first, and it fails if the video card doesn't work.. |
| 06:21.10 | jm_ | runs over the network? |
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| 06:21.28 | leri | kupal, i think you want to ssh -X |
| 06:21.48 | leri | from the machine on which you wish to display |
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| 06:21.57 | Kupal[] | yeah, but im downloading gnome for my server, and xorg, and i want to use my client ssh-xwindow part, i can do thatpart. |
| 06:22.38 | Kupal[] | Linux ---> windows server over vpn.. I got a cool java applet. I can handle the remote connect.. but whenever i setup kde alone ihad video running first. I know if I try to start x I will have vid issues. I only want the network portion. |
| 06:22.59 | Kupal[] | Linux (Server running Xwindows ----> my windows box with an X client.. |
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| 06:23.06 | Kupal[] | I have a vpn and the linux server is avail. |
| 06:23.06 | tarzeau | (script-fu:22312): LibGimpBase-WARNING **: script-fu: wire_read(): error |
| 06:23.33 | weissi | is there a news/status site for sid? (something like: "pkg X broken: feature A, B and C do not work") |
| 06:23.44 | tarzeau | weissi: BTS? |
| 06:23.48 | tarzeau | weissi: and /topic |
| 06:23.53 | jm_ | weissi: tried the URL in topic? |
| 06:23.57 | Gokul | in order to have a dual head setup on a _single_ Radeon Mobility graphics card, would the PCI bus id be the same for both screens in my xorg.conf file? |
| 06:24.13 | weissi | tarzeau, oh, I'm sorry! the wiki ;-) |
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| 06:24.27 | unstable | Is there something like format painter in OOo or gnumeric like there is in excel or no? |
| 06:24.36 | weissi | tarzeau, thanks! i'll read /topic in the future |
| 06:24.36 | tarzeau | weissi: no the topic |
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| 06:24.45 | tarzeau | weissi: the wiki is for information that lasts long |
| 06:24.48 | unstable | I think MS filed a damn software idea patent for that, so probably not huh. |
| 06:24.55 | tarzeau | weissi: what breaks and gets fixed changes daily in sid |
| 06:24.56 | weissi | tarzeau, yeah, but in /topic: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 06:25.21 | tarzeau | weissi: don't think that's complete but yes also |
| 06:25.24 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 06:25.25 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 06:26.02 | weissi | tarzeau, ah, ok, thanks. (in this case I already found what I wanted to know... :-) ) |
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| 06:29.01 | Kupal[] | is their anyway to get a date/time within dpkg of something that just got installed |
| 06:29.20 | Kupal[] | apt-get clean has been run. |
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| 06:30.43 | jm_ | Kupal[]: what? |
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| 06:31.39 | Edward_TLS | morning... |
| 06:31.41 | Kupal[] | where does dpkg -l get its info? |
| 06:31.54 | NetBandit | hmm does anybody know a tool, with which you can keep a database of your current hardware and software that runs on it, to get a better overview (besides the damn spreadsheet solution) |
| 06:32.11 | jm_ | man dpkg will tell you where it keeps files |
| 06:32.54 | jm_ | NetBandit: search for inventory on freshmeat |
| 06:33.19 | NetBandit | which keywords? |
| 06:33.29 | jm_ | wtf, I just told you |
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| 06:35.13 | Gnea | NetBandit: hell, i'd be happy if there was some sort of database app that worked with a cuecat scanner to scan in hardware barcodes, match them up on the internet and display their info via some sort of php |
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| 06:38.41 | NetBandit | hm.. |
| 06:38.44 | andrownz | has anybody any clue about how to use SOCKS5 proxy through CLI ? |
| 06:39.11 | NetBandit | Gnea: I'd like a movie database of UPC codes/etc |
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| 06:40.11 | jm_ | andrownz: yes, many people have |
| 06:40.18 | Gnea | NetBandit: yeah, that'd rock too - just bring the movies home, pick up the cuecat, scan it, ba-da-bing-ba-da-done |
| 06:40.35 | \amethyst | Make it user-contributable, call it Web 2.0, (?), and profit |
| 06:40.35 | andrownz | jm_, go on, cuz I've looked for HTTP_PROXY or FTP_PROXY, but both doesn't provide SOCKS5 proxying |
| 06:41.08 | jm_ | andrownz: modern socks libraries can be used via preload mechanism, proxychains also supports this |
| 06:41.38 | Gnea | swirly! |
| 06:41.42 | NetBandit | :)) |
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| 06:42.58 | andrownz | jm_, hu? I think you misunterstand, I'd like wget to use a SOCKS5 proxy for example (not using wget features) |
| 06:43.06 | jm_ | andrownz: no, I haven't |
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| 06:44.02 | andrownz | jm_, haven't what ? |
| 06:44.13 | jm_ | andrownz: misunderstood ... |
| 06:44.21 | andrownz | jm_, so I don't get it |
| 06:44.27 | jm_ | andrownz: I figured |
| 06:44.35 | andrownz | jm_, please make it clearer |
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| 06:44.45 | jm_ | andrownz: read package description for proxychains |
| 06:45.37 | lewwy | argh |
| 06:46.22 | lewwy | guys, i just net installed Etch through the debian net installer. Is there any way to throw the packages i got through the netinst on a cd and use them again at a later date so i don't have to redownload everything? |
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| 06:46.46 | sharpy | when changing sounds in gnome panel.. why does it only accept .wav files? I have lotsa good .ogg files i want to use. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 06:47.49 | lewwy | sharpy, apart from hacking it to accept ogg files, it might just be a good idea to convert them |
| 06:48.24 | sharpy | lewwy, grr... so much for open source .ogg |
| 06:48.49 | sharpy | lewwy, now that deserves a punch to the GNOME developers. |
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| 06:51.57 | lewwy | sharpy, what, the GNOME developers that are working for free? ;) |
| 06:52.17 | zasz | whats the command for reconfigureing? dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 06:52.23 | BlackJud1s | is openssh.org down? or is it just my connection? |
| 06:53.21 | CleeK | looks down here |
| 06:53.25 | lewwy | zasz, i think thats it |
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| 06:53.57 | lewwy | why is there bad language in the #debian-devel MOTD? isn't that against some sort of rules? |
| 06:54.07 | CleeK | and i think openbsd.org is down to |
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| 06:54.24 | sharpy | lewwy, no. the ones that complain and get paid. |
| 06:54.25 | zasz | lewwy, thanks |
| 06:54.56 | lewwy | thats k zasz |
| 06:55.05 | lewwy | I'm actually a linux newbie, but i help where i can |
| 06:55.26 | lewwy | sharpy, well theres a new one, do gnome devs get paid? |
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| 06:55.45 | dn4 | anyone know the apt sources to get the flash-plugin |
| 06:55.54 | dn4 | right now the flash website won't let me download the tar.gz file |
| 06:56.16 | sharpy | lewwy, i've met a few; they claim they get paid. |
| 06:56.19 | chealer9 | dn4: Debian only distributes an installer, not the software itself |
| 06:56.32 | sharpy | Anyways... does anyone know of a debian package that converts .ogg to .wav? |
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| 06:56.53 | jm_ | sharpy: yes, many people do |
| 06:56.56 | lewwy | mmm not sure sharpy, you could try going and getting Illustrate's DBPowerAMP and wining it |
| 06:57.31 | sharpy | illustrate what? :-) |
| 06:57.34 | lewwy | not to start a troll, but in my opinion gnome is ugly and non functional |
| 06:57.44 | lewwy | i hardly see whyd tthey would get paid |
| 06:57.49 | lewwy | but its getting better |
| 06:57.52 | lewwy | from what i can see |
| 06:57.59 | sharpy | lewwy, i just started using linux...so I don't know much. But this laptop cant take too much.. Certainly NOT KDE. |
| 06:58.15 | lewwy | yeh sharpy, gnome wins in that department, for sure |
| 06:58.17 | sharpy | lewwy, currently running testing. So far so good. |
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| 06:58.45 | lewwy | i suppose IceWM and fluxbox didn't fit your taste either, sharpy? |
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| 06:59.22 | streuner | sharpy: try soundconverter |
| 06:59.41 | sharpy | lewwy, i tried fluxbox. I like it. But to tell you the truth i need a tad more eye-candy. |
| 06:59.46 | sharpy | streuner, okies. |
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| 07:00.14 | lewwy | yeh, you're right there sharpy, eyecandy and functionality go hand in hand |
| 07:00.17 | dn4 | lewwy, what fits you taste? |
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| 07:01.05 | lewwy | i like KDE because it looks cool :D. But then again its a total system whore. |
| 07:01.16 | sharpy | lewwy, haha.. no doubt. |
| 07:01.19 | apprentice3 | how do u get x without bloat? |
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| 07:01.28 | sharpy | apprentice3, fluxbox. |
| 07:01.37 | sharpy | apprentice3, WMIce |
| 07:01.42 | sharpy | apprentice3, blackbox |
| 07:01.53 | lewwy | apprentice3, WindowMaker |
| 07:02.05 | lewwy | or code your own |
| 07:02.06 | lewwy | ! |
| 07:02.18 | lewwy | better get started |
| 07:02.33 | shogunx | apprentice3, enlightenment |
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| 07:03.19 | lewwy | does anyone here know of a repositry that carries the nvidia-glx display drivers? |
| 07:03.28 | chealer9 | lewwy: yes |
| 07:03.46 | streuner | !anyone |
| 07:03.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:03.57 | sharpy | dpkg, quiet boy. |
| 07:04.25 | lewwy | chealer9, hit me up with the repo |
| 07:04.27 | streuner | dpkg, gender? |
| 07:04.27 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 07:04.35 | lewwy | dpkg, cookie? |
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| 07:05.53 | chealer9 | lewwy: did you check the NVIDIA graphics for Debian guide before asking? |
| 07:05.54 | streuner | lewwy: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:06.07 | dn4 | shogunx, it seems ilke it has been years and D17 is not released hehe |
| 07:06.17 | Kupal[] | how can i setup xserver without a video card, the man page is crytpic and scary |
| 07:06.28 | streuner | haha |
| 07:06.40 | lewwy | sweet jesus Kupal[], thats like having a lemonade stand with no lemons |
| 07:06.40 | streuner | Kupal[]: you want fool us? :-) |
| 07:06.43 | lewwy | OR FIZZY WATER |
| 07:06.43 | weissi | Kupal[], xserver-xorg-input-dummy ?? |
| 07:06.53 | weissi | Kupal[], aah, xserver-xorg-video-dummy ?? |
| 07:06.55 | lewwy | OR SUGAR |
| 07:07.10 | lewwy | OR...SOME OTHER CRUCIAL INGREDIENT |
| 07:07.13 | shogunx | dn4 i'm using E17 on a xinerama pair of displays right now. |
| 07:07.19 | Kupal[] | lewwy im going over the network. |
| 07:07.22 | shogunx | its pretty nice. |
| 07:07.31 | streuner | lewwy: can you answer our question? |
| 07:07.40 | lewwy | well uhhh... |
| 07:07.40 | dn4 | shogunx, E17? D17 you mean? |
| 07:07.41 | lewwy | :S |
| 07:07.45 | peej | Kupal[] : it is possible if your bios/mobo doesn't complain. But do consider sticking in the cheapest possible card just to make life easy. |
| 07:07.50 | streuner | lewwy: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:07.54 | sharpy | grr... |
| 07:07.54 | shogunx | dn4 you have to build e17 from cvs sources... about 6 libraries and the actual enlightenment applications. |
| 07:08.01 | lewwy | doing now streuner |
| 07:08.06 | Kupal[] | peej im 600 miles away |
| 07:08.11 | shogunx | dn4 i'm talking about enlightenment 17 |
| 07:08.22 | sharpy | is there an apt package to enable direct rendering on this olde ATI laptop card? |
| 07:08.36 | sharpy | no! not fglrx. |
| 07:08.52 | dn4 | shogunx, do oyu know of a how to out there on doing this? |
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| 07:09.07 | lewwy | ii libc 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library Shared Libraries |
| 07:09.13 | peej | sharpy: lspci shows what chip? |
| 07:09.18 | weissi | sharpy, it's a mach64 or what? |
| 07:09.22 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 07:09.30 | shogunx | dn4 http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/Enlightenment/Get_Enlightenment/Build_Notes/ |
| 07:09.37 | streuner | lewwy: its not in etch |
| 07:09.42 | dn4 | shogunx, thank you :) |
| 07:09.55 | lewwy | SONS OF BITCHES |
| 07:09.55 | streuner | lewwy: try /msg dpkg simple sid package |
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| 07:10.35 | sharpy | peej, checking... |
| 07:10.38 | sharpy | weissi, checking... |
| 07:10.41 | lewwy | going here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 07:10.44 | streuner | lewwy: no, /msg dpkg why is not nvidia-glx in testing |
| 07:10.59 | sharpy | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) |
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| 07:11.20 | billybob | i installed acx100 and "modprobe acx" says it can't fidn acx... any ideas? |
| 07:12.06 | sharpy | peej, not much of a choice eh? other than fglrx? |
| 07:12.31 | lewwy | Warning for Etch users |
| 07:12.31 | lewwy | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. This page needs to be updated to reflect how testing users should get the drivers. |
| 07:12.38 | lewwy | that would explain it |
| 07:12.54 | weissi | sharpy, it's the r128 driver? |
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| 07:13.00 | peej | sharpy: default debian doesn't handle it? |
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| 07:15.02 | sharpy | peej, it's fine ..but I am not sure how would debian handle 3d acceleration. ? |
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| 07:15.34 | sharpy | weissi, let me try lspci verbose to see if its 128 |
| 07:15.36 | Freebie | hello, anybody here? cam2cam? |
| 07:15.38 | Freebie | pls pm me |
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| 07:15.43 | apprentice3 | heh |
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| 07:15.58 | apprentice3 | I wonder how much i coula removed from the kernel |
| 07:16.08 | weissi | sharpy, what Xorg/Xfree driver do you use? |
| 07:16.17 | Kournikofa | how can i tell postfix to try sending my emails max 7 days? because if my connection is down for 6 days, i want it to send all my emails when my connection is back up at day 7.. anyone? |
| 07:17.17 | sharpy | weissi, nah.. no information other than 16 megs ram for that video card. Xorg = 0.6.9 |
| 07:17.32 | EruditeHermit | hey can anyone help me with http://rafb.net/paste/results/Malji375.html |
| 07:17.39 | weissi | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i driver |
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| 07:18.08 | sharpy | weissi, driver is "ati" |
| 07:18.09 | zula | quick question. I've installed some unstable packages and after a reboot my root partition is not found and I am dropped to a rescue shell. Before I roll back to my backup of testing, i'd like to do some forensics as to why this is happening. fsck from a rescue disk tells me that the partition is fine and all files are ok. /var/log/dmesg and boot tell me nothing. what else can I check? maybe replace grub/ replace it with lilo ? I would like |
| 07:18.09 | zula | to try and rescue the chance to use testing/unstable before I roll back. Thanks. |
| 07:18.10 | minerale | ok, this is stupid, but how do I download the kernel sources? (nvidia driver is requesting them) |
| 07:18.45 | streuner | minerale: what does cat /proc/version say? |
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| 07:19.33 | minerale | stew: Debian 2.6.15-8 |
| 07:19.33 | zx8 | hi hows it going i want to build a package for xmaxima for my pda |
| 07:19.37 | zx8 | it is arm |
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| 07:19.40 | infamy | is there an easy way to turn on colors in bash? like other distro have aka gentoo |
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| 07:19.46 | tarzeau | infamy: yes |
| 07:19.51 | minerale | infamy: ls --color ? |
| 07:19.52 | streuner | minerale: we need the whole output |
| 07:19.53 | tarzeau | infamy: man console_codes; man bash |
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| 07:20.04 | infamy | ohh okay.. :) |
| 07:20.25 | jm_ | there's also Bash Prompt howto |
| 07:20.37 | minerale | streuner: ok hold on, trying to figure out how to copy paste in screen |
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| 07:21.01 | weissi | sharpy, http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATI?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardwareVendor |
| 07:21.12 | jm_ | zula: find out why it doesn't mount / then |
| 07:21.13 | streuner | minerale: mark with left mouse, and paste with middle? |
| 07:21.18 | infamy | tarzeau: well not so eesy.. i need to code it all up.. |
| 07:21.20 | zx8 | i would like to build a package for xmaxima with all the dependancies for arm architecture |
| 07:21.26 | tarzeau | infamy: code? |
| 07:21.34 | tarzeau | infamy: that's not code, it's configuration |
| 07:21.44 | tarzeau | infamy: copy it from gentoo if you like those ugly colors so much |
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| 07:21.58 | infamy | tarzeau: hey be nice.. they have decent colors |
| 07:21.59 | tarzeau | zx8: go ahead do it |
| 07:22.03 | tarzeau | infamy: it's ugly |
| 07:22.06 | zula | jm_ where do I check in /var/log ? |
| 07:22.31 | zx8 | tarzeau: how? |
| 07:22.34 | minerale | streuner: I have no mouse... no x server running at all, i'm on tty1&2 |
| 07:22.45 | tarzeau | will these be fixed soon? http://open-security.org/advisories/16 |
| 07:22.46 | sharpy | weissi, checking... |
| 07:23.02 | tarzeau | zx8: get teh source package and build it? |
| 07:23.03 | jm_ | zula: I doubt it will be in /var/log at this point, just read the screen - did it detect your disk at all? |
| 07:23.19 | weissi | sharpy, ati is just a wrapper for r128, radeon or atimisc |
| 07:23.21 | zula | it did, and then it started initializing and failed |
| 07:23.29 | jm_ | initializing what? |
| 07:23.29 | zula | with no messages |
| 07:23.36 | streuner | minerale: anyway, we need something like that 2.6.16-1-k7 (Debian 2.6.16-9) (waldi@debian.org) |
| 07:23.51 | weissi | sharpy, wheater they are supported with 3d |
| 07:24.09 | zula | jm_ the usual mounting rooot ... and then rescue shell after some time |
| 07:24.13 | sharpy | weissi, will i achieve 3d acc ? |
| 07:24.19 | weissi | sharpy, wheater they are supported with 3d |
| 07:24.29 | weissi | sharpy, you will find in the first link |
| 07:24.30 | zula | I guess I'll just continue rebooting and trying to find the root cause |
| 07:24.38 | weissi | sharpy, (http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATI?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardwareVendor) |
| 07:24.57 | jm_ | zula: does it fail when it's trying to remount it rw? |
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| 07:25.22 | minerale | streuner: it's 2.6.15-1-468 .... waldi@debian |
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| 07:25.27 | zula | jm_ it doesn't say anything, that's the problem but right about that time |
| 07:25.43 | jm_ | zula: well would need to see all the output to be able to say more |
| 07:25.45 | streuner | minerale: ok, get the kernel headers for that kernel |
| 07:25.55 | zula | jm_ i'm trying to find the output |
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| 07:26.02 | jm_ | zula: it's on the screen ;) |
| 07:26.05 | minerale | streuner: ok, what is the name of the package I'm looking for |
| 07:26.05 | zula | jm_ thank you for your help |
| 07:26.12 | zula | off I go to reboot land |
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| 07:26.50 | minerale | streuner: apt-get install $(uname -r) ? |
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| 07:27.28 | streuner | minerale: apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.15 |
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| 07:28.21 | jm_ | right, I thought I should ask slightly off-topic question - I have noticed with several NEC DVD burners that activity LED blinks every now and then (roughly every 12% when burning full-size DVD image) and growisofs reports lower recording speed during that interval, the same is also happening in Nero (Windows), which shows drive's buffer dropping at that point - does this also happen with other recorders? |
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| 07:28.56 | streuner | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:29.13 | streuner | minerale: ^^^ |
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| 07:30.20 | weissi | sharpy, try to load agpgart and replace Driver "ati" by Driver "r128", then type glxinfo | grep -i "direct rendering" |
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| 07:31.00 | peej | sharpy: glxgears shows? var/log shows anything about acceleration? |
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| 07:31.32 | weissi | sharpy, AND: there is much about this topic in google! |
| 07:31.37 | sharpy | peej, yes. glxinfo shows no direct rendering... |
| 07:32.02 | sharpy | weissi, apparently tons but no real solution, albeit a conglomorate of patches. |
| 07:32.17 | weissi | sharpy, did you replace "ati" by "r128" and loaded kernel mods agpgart+drm and xorg-mods glx,dri,... ? |
| 07:32.34 | sharpy | weissi, changing driver to "r128" hmm... i wonder if Xorg has that module already |
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| 07:32.47 | weissi | sharpy, it should be there... |
| 07:32.52 | minerale | Is it possible to change the font on the default tty's ? |
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| 07:33.05 | jm_ | minerale: console font? of course |
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| 07:33.20 | billybob | hey i'm trying to module-assistant build linux-wlan-ng but it says it "source not found. Run: module-assistant auto-install" any ideas? i can run auto-install... |
| 07:33.28 | weissi | minerale, apt-cache show svgatextmode |
| 07:33.31 | sharpy | weissi, checking /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:33.33 | peej | does tuxracer (penguinracer) need 3d accel? |
| 07:33.40 | weissi | peej, yes |
| 07:33.59 | sharpy | peej, hey! that's what i wanted 3d :-) |
| 07:34.16 | peej | weissi: oh well. incentive for me to make ati 3d work on my laptop too. |
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| 07:35.02 | weissi | everyone wants 3d because of tuxracer^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hplanetpenguin-racer |
| 07:36.06 | sharpy | weissi, restarting X.. brb |
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| 07:36.57 | sep | does anyone know where i can place kernel modules in the /lib/modues(uname -r) tree so that it won't break mkinitrd ? the reason beeing that vmware modules are installes in /lib/modules/(uname -r)/misc and then mkinitrd fail to make a working initrd. could i move the modules to a different location under the tree to get mkinitrd to work ?? |
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| 07:41.03 | zasz | does OpenOffice.org run on fluxbox |
| 07:41.27 | weissi | zasz, why not, fluxbox is just a window-manager |
| 07:41.37 | peej | openoffice.org runs on icewm. I'd certainly expect it to run on fuxbox |
| 07:41.48 | Eclipser | of course :) |
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| 07:41.59 | zasz | just makin sure, haven't tried it yet :) |
| 07:42.02 | Eclipser | it doesn't depend on any specific window-manager |
| 07:42.06 | neoxan_ | Squirt is a caffeine-free citrus-flavored soft drink created in 1938 by Herb Bishop. Bishop gave Squirt its name because the drink seemed to "squirt" into your mouth like a freshly squeezed grapefruit. |
| 07:42.08 | neoxan_ | wtf |
| 07:42.11 | neoxan_ | :s |
| 07:42.21 | weissi | zasz, it runs on X, so normally it should run with ANY window-manager for x-windows |
| 07:42.30 | EruditeHermit | hey can anyone help me with http://rafb.net/paste/results/Malji375.html |
| 07:42.37 | weissi | zasz, even without a window-manager *g* |
| 07:42.38 | streuner | peej: runs perfect here |
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| 07:43.19 | Laidback_01 | hi, I have a dual processor xeon server I rented from theplanet.com So far I've converted it from RHEL to debian, and it's all going pretty well. I have a software raid for my data partition, and it all works fine - except for reboot. No matter what I do, I can't seem to get the software raid to autostart on boot. Anyone have an idea on this? |
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| 07:49.24 | TraceGreen | Hello, I don't use debian, but i have "locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C", Don't know why. |
| 07:49.48 | Eclipser | if you don't use debian then why ask here? :p |
| 07:49.52 | sharpy | tried modprobing agpgart and r128.. but X wouldnt start. I switched back to driver "ati" and X now starts. |
| 07:49.54 | Eclipser | try ##linux or #yourdistro |
| 07:50.05 | SlayerXP | TraceGreen: try #solaris |
| 07:50.09 | weissi | sharpy, what do the logs say? |
| 07:50.25 | sharpy | weissi, let me see... |
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| 07:51.05 | TraceGreen | SlayerXP, ok.thanks. |
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| 07:52.09 | corny | Hello. Location for generic linux or debian manual? |
| 07:52.23 | corny | I can't find anything on google or debian.org |
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| 07:52.33 | SlayerXP | corny: then you're not looking very hard. |
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| 07:53.30 | corny | I'll look again |
| 07:53.53 | apprentice3 | hey sexy people |
| 07:53.59 | Laidback_01 | don't ask that question in #solaris, those guys are really mean. |
| 07:54.01 | apprentice3 | does debian have a java pakcage? |
| 07:54.07 | apprentice3 | if so what virtual machine? |
| 07:54.36 | weissi | apprentice3, there is a kaffee package |
| 07:54.47 | sharpy | weissi, per the Xorg.0.log I get this : Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 .. No devices detected. Fatal server error.. no screens found. |
| 07:55.10 | weissi | sharpy, oh shit, then is seems not to be r128 :-(( |
| 07:55.24 | sharpy | weissi, err.. come again? |
| 07:55.29 | minerale | I'm trying to install the nvidia driver... the error message I'm getting is that i'm missing the 'libc headers' |
| 07:55.43 | streuner | !b-e minerale |
| 07:55.43 | dpkg | minerale: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 07:55.48 | weissi | apprentice3, sorry, kaffe (but it's not 100% compatible to jre from sun/blackdown, but free) |
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| 07:56.22 | corny | Should I go to #solaris and ask that question to see the responses? |
| 07:56.43 | weissi | sharpy, hmm, then it may be atimisc |
| 07:56.58 | sharpy | weissi, also after the xorg upgrade per the DRI website i am down to init level 1 I think. In other words... GDM doesn't come up anymore unless i login first then type: gdm |
| 07:57.17 | minerale | thanks streuner |
| 07:57.34 | sharpy | weissi, atimisc? meaning the driver or just misc in general? |
| 07:57.40 | sep | !tell corny about debian reference |
| 07:57.59 | weissi | sharpy, Driver "atimisc" |
| 07:58.10 | weissi | sharpy, http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/atimisc?highlight=%28ati%29 |
| 07:58.36 | corny | Thanks sep.. I also found http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 07:58.45 | weissi | sharpy, you're in single user mode (only _ONE_ tty (Ctrl+Alt+Fn do NOT work)) ? |
| 07:58.53 | weissi | otherwise |
| 07:58.55 | weissi | !runlevel |
| 07:58.55 | dpkg | hmm... runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 07:59.08 | weissi | sharpy, in debian 2-5 are equal |
| 07:59.08 | corny | What else can I be !told? |
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| 07:59.31 | weissi | corny, try /msg dpkg tell me about <keyword> |
| 08:00.07 | sharpy | weissi, oh.. i think I am in single user mode...Debian used to login and then voila GDM appeared.. NOw i have to type startx . |
| 08:00.15 | sharpy | weissi, changing driver to "atimisc" |
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| 08:00.46 | sharpy | weissi, dang... FATAL: module atimisc not found. |
| 08:00.57 | weissi | sharpy, hmm, shit |
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| 08:01.11 | peej | corny: apt-get install rutebook |
| 08:02.02 | weissi | sharpy, then it's a radeon, no? (from xorg-wiki: The ati driver is a small wrapper that probes your card and then loads the appropriate driver, either radeon, r128, or atimisc.), so if it's not r128, not atimisc, it's radeon :-) |
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| 08:02.32 | TraceGreen | hello, how can i know my glibc support i18n? |
| 08:02.38 | sharpy | weissi, let me load radeon and see if it loads... |
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| 08:03.11 | weissi | TraceGreen, your linux system _WILL_ support i18n |
| 08:03.15 | weissi | !locale |
| 08:03.15 | dpkg | somebody said locale was something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 08:03.21 | weissi | !locales |
| 08:03.21 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 08:03.23 | sharpy | weissi, restarting X...brb. |
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| 08:03.37 | TraceGreen | weissi, sorry, actually, i don't use debian |
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| 08:04.16 | weissi | TraceGreen, then #<your distro> would be better, but anyway, it _WILL_ support i18n |
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| 08:05.36 | locus | I have a question about a mixed package installation (stable/testing with APT::Default-Release "stable";)...even though I specified the default release to stable it sometimes (rarely) installes testing packages as dependencies. How is that possible and how can I strictly stick to stable by default? |
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| 08:06.46 | zasz | hmm so fluxbox is running fine... but when I run say bash from apps, nothing comes up! |
| 08:06.50 | TPC- | locus, some packages just need dependencies from testing to work, and if you install those you'll get testing dependencies |
| 08:07.00 | weissi | locus, if package X (from testing) depends on package Y (at least version y) and stable has Y with a version less than y, it will install Y from testing |
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| 08:07.33 | weissi | locus, often happens with libc, it you don't wont that to happen try apt-src |
| 08:07.43 | nanotube | Hello, I'm trying to compile and install alsa driver and I got this error: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 08:07.47 | weissi | locus, it will build a package using your libs installed |
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| 08:08.00 | weissi | nanotube, install kernel source |
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| 08:08.22 | locus | weissi, ok I'll check that |
| 08:08.40 | nanotube | weissi: ok |
| 08:09.05 | zasz | anyone using fluxbox? |
| 08:09.12 | Azar | how is a mix package installation: testing/stable? |
| 08:09.12 | zasz | I'm not sure why apps aren't coming up |
| 08:09.20 | weissi | nanotube, package: kernel-source-<your kernel version> |
| 08:09.25 | Azar | zasz: no, openbox here |
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| 08:09.41 | TPC | zasz, did you nistall the menu package? |
| 08:09.53 | weissi | !pinning Azar |
| 08:09.55 | TPC | install* |
| 08:09.57 | zasz | well I just installed fluxbox and whatever it needed |
| 08:10.11 | zasz | there are basic menus, like if I right click the apps window comes up |
| 08:10.13 | weissi | dpkg tell Azar about pinning |
| 08:10.22 | zasz | doe i need the menu package to run apps in flux? |
| 08:10.25 | weissi | !tell Azar about pinning |
| 08:10.35 | Azar | ah thank you |
| 08:10.37 | TPC | zasz, the menu package will generate a menu of all apps you installed with apt-get, and put it on the fluxbox menu |
| 08:10.39 | weissi | !pinning |
| 08:10.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 08:10.45 | weissi | sorry guys... |
| 08:10.59 | Azar | so pinning is about orienting apt to one repository source, can you pin it toward both? |
| 08:11.03 | TPC | zasz, you an also edit fluxbox config files and add whatever you want to start to the menu manually, if you only want a few more things on the menu |
| 08:11.04 | zasz | the apps are there in the menu TPC, they just don't appear to run |
| 08:11.10 | TPC | oh |
| 08:11.11 | zasz | bash, nano, etc |
| 08:11.24 | zasz | i don't use nano actually |
| 08:11.27 | zasz | i use vi |
| 08:11.29 | weissi | Azar, with pinning you can basically install packages from more that one repository(source) |
| 08:11.29 | TPC | does a normal xterm start? |
| 08:11.37 | peej | Azar: orienting apt to selected packages by pinning. |
| 08:11.58 | weissi | Azar, sorry, I think I told you multiple times what pinning is ;-)) |
| 08:12.02 | Azar | weissi, peej thank you wow, I did not know you can use both, I thought is not good |
| 08:12.18 | zasz | TPC i tried opening "xconsole" and it popped up a window saying couldn't open console |
| 08:12.21 | zasz | something must be missing |
| 08:12.27 | peej | Azar: it's not good. But you are free to do it :-) |
| 08:12.46 | Azar | in any case.... I upgraded to etch and not sure if I should perform update/upgrade anymore, I guess is useless now |
| 08:13.09 | TPC | zasz, maybe you don't have a terminal emulator installed. try apt-get install xterm. |
| 08:13.14 | apprentice3 | hey has anyone here tried a radius server? |
| 08:13.20 | apprentice3 | can it replace nis? |
| 08:13.22 | apprentice3 | :) |
| 08:13.26 | apprentice3 | I fuckign hate NIS |
| 08:13.28 | weissi | Azar, if security is somewhat important better do upgrades (security updates are now provided to testing, too) |
| 08:13.38 | weissi | apprentice3, yes, using pam_ldap |
| 08:14.01 | Azar | weissi: oh yes? nice, I didn't know they let now security for etch.. |
| 08:14.04 | apprentice3 | hows it workin for ya |
| 08:14.16 | apprentice3 | it it hell to install? |
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| 08:14.54 | zasz | thanks TPC, that's what it was |
| 08:15.02 | nonex-nlp | hi all |
| 08:15.10 | nonex-nlp | ðóññêèå åñòÜ7 |
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| 08:15.17 | nonex-nlp | ? |
| 08:15.46 | nonex-nlp | ppl me bad english! |
| 08:15.51 | Arafangion | Woah, Debian has changed since Woody. |
| 08:16.04 | lloura | sorry je ne parle pas anglais |
| 08:16.09 | weissi | !fr |
| 08:16.09 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:16.12 | zasz | yea, nicer installer :P |
| 08:16.16 | lloura | yes |
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| 08:16.50 | Arafangion | zasz: I used woody's installer. |
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| 08:17.10 | Azar | hmm no security updates, the security source never showed up |
| 08:17.15 | Thanatermesis | what is the names of all diferents INTEL graphic cards ? the most used is i810... what more exists ? i740 is one ? |
| 08:17.19 | lloura | just want go mode graphique |
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| 08:17.49 | Azar | lloura: je ne pas francais |
| 08:18.35 | zasz | Azar I think you mean Je ne parle pas Francais :P |
| 08:18.39 | weissi | Azar, http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 08:18.39 | lloura | sorry and thing you i try another chat room |
| 08:19.40 | Arafangion | zasz: I am impressed that it was so trivial to remap ctrl and caps lock, I never tried it before. |
| 08:20.01 | zasz | me neither |
| 08:20.03 | Xella | Hi, I have AThlon64 PC running Sarge32bit with kernel optimized for my processor. Recently i tried to install lufs, but was unable to build cernel module with module assistant |
| 08:20.28 | Xella | Got some error that kernel option is not supported on 32 bit |
| 08:20.32 | Azar | ok thank you weissi: out of curiosity what I would get upgraded: xterm removed, and reinstallation of : alsa, bind, gcc4, python vim, x-window-system, xmms... that sounds highly suspicious so I will not upgrade |
| 08:20.53 | Xella | Any ideas how to install lufs in my configuration? |
| 08:21.06 | weissi | Azar, did you do dist-upgrade or upgrade ? |
| 08:21.17 | Azar | weissi: just update then upgrade only |
| 08:21.33 | apprentice3 | hmm |
| 08:21.36 | Azar | it looks strange that it wants to install over same packages I already have and configured |
| 08:21.46 | Arafangion | Azar: What does dist-upgrade show that it would do? |
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| 08:21.49 | apprentice3 | so what do you guys use for centralized authentication? |
| 08:21.55 | apprentice3 | radius? |
| 08:21.59 | apprentice3 | pam-ldap? |
| 08:22.05 | Azar | Arafangion: did not do dist-upgrade because there is no need |
| 08:22.07 | apprentice3 | how do I set up a pam-ldap server? |
| 08:22.09 | Arafangion | apprentice3: I don't use anything, but ldap and kerberos is popular. |
| 08:22.20 | Thanatermesis | what is the names of all diferents INTEL graphic cards ? the most used is i810... what more exists ? i740 is one ? |
| 08:22.28 | Azar | I assume the new gcc4 would be the reason for that reinstall of packages |
| 08:22.31 | apprentice3 | ok |
| 08:22.38 | apprentice3 | how do you guys present webapps? |
| 08:22.40 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: check pciids.sf.net |
| 08:22.50 | apprentice3 | what tools do you use? |
| 08:22.50 | tarzeau | apprentice3: not at all |
| 08:23.00 | Azar | good day mr tarzeau |
| 08:23.05 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 08:23.07 | apprentice3 | no webaps? |
| 08:23.11 | tarzeau | apprentice3: no |
| 08:23.17 | tbf | wondering if it is good debian practice to add some "export LESSOPEN" to /etc/profile |
| 08:23.18 | tarzeau | apprentice3: the web is for the web. only the web |
| 08:23.23 | Thanatermesis | any person know's why dosbox has deleted from the ETCH repositories ? |
| 08:23.23 | apprentice3 | so what kind fo apps? |
| 08:23.29 | tarzeau | apprentice3: do you put food in your car? i put it in my fridge |
| 08:23.30 | Arafangion | Where can I find a (perhaps non-official) Java 1.5? |
| 08:23.31 | apprentice3 | do you work for an organization? |
| 08:23.43 | apprentice3 | yes fridge sounds good |
| 08:24.00 | apprentice3 | but how do you help epopel organize info in a busines or government? |
| 08:24.13 | tarzeau | apprentice3: we use the web for information |
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| 08:24.17 | tarzeau | apprentice3: we have a wiki |
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| 08:24.33 | tarzeau | apprentice3: and when an account is created it is sent by snail mail |
| 08:24.40 | tarzeau | apprentice3: the rest is communicated by email |
| 08:24.48 | tarzeau | apprentice3: otherwise we have a office where people can come by |
| 08:25.03 | tarzeau | apprentice3: how large is the business or gov you're at? |
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| 08:25.53 | nanotube | weissi: is this correct kernel source kernel-source-2.6.8 for my kernel 2.6.8-2-686? |
| 08:26.06 | sharpy | weissi, hmm.. tried all sorts of things.. not even "radeon" works. Just "ati" oh well. BTW, u know of a GNOME gui application that finds stuff for u locally (much like slocate)? |
| 08:26.16 | nanotube | weissi: I can't find anything else. |
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| 08:27.10 | weissi | sharpy, hmm, shit, so I have no more ideas :-((, I'm sorry |
| 08:27.17 | kirz | while rsyncing 2 sites , a rename accure on site 1 , can rsync just rename on the destination ? or a full copy will accure |
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| 08:27.34 | sharpy | weissi, np. I appreciate it though. |
| 08:27.37 | Arafangion | kirz: Only the changes are sent, per file. |
| 08:27.50 | Azar | nanotube: did you tried searching for it with apt-cache search kernel-source ? |
| 08:27.52 | Arafangion | kirz: So, yes, it will require a full copy, as the file is entirely different |
| 08:28.07 | nanotube | Azar: yes I did.. |
| 08:28.12 | weissi | nanotube, if you have a 686 proc, then yes |
| 08:28.35 | Azar | nanotube: so pick the one similar with your kernel version and your cpu architecture |
| 08:28.37 | kirz | Arfangion:the checksome is the same, |
| 08:29.12 | nanotube | weissi: yes I have.. I did upgrade from stable to testing hope this is not a problem... |
| 08:29.22 | kirz | Arafangion:it moves/copy block level ? |
| 08:29.35 | weissi | nanotube, it should not, no |
| 08:29.55 | Azar | me too I wonder why I got the kernel-source automatically: I never had to go search and install it |
| 08:30.04 | sharpy | is there a GUI alternative to slocate, whereis or find? |
| 08:30.17 | sharpy | for GNOME or KDE or fluxbox. |
| 08:30.19 | weissi | nanotube, in all cases, kernel-source-$(uname -r) sould be correct |
| 08:30.22 | Arafangion | kirz: Suppose you have a directory containing files A and B on both computers, and suppose that they are the same |
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| 08:30.30 | jm_ | sharpy: yes |
| 08:30.31 | tarzeau | sharpy: fluxbox isn't a gui library |
| 08:30.35 | Arafangion | kirz: Suppose on the originating computer, you rename B to C |
| 08:30.46 | Arafangion | kirz: C does not exist on the remote computer, therefore it'll copy the file. |
| 08:30.46 | sharpy | jm_, and that would be? :-) |
| 08:31.08 | jm_ | sharpy: apt-cache search gnome find |
| 08:31.13 | nanotube | weissi: E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:31.17 | Arafangion | kirz: If C does exist on the remote computer, it'll transfer the difference. |
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| 08:31.39 | weissi | nanotube, ohh, then you didn't update your kernel?? |
| 08:31.51 | Azar | weissi: isn't maybe that etch does not have a 2.6.8 ? |
| 08:32.14 | Arafangion | 2.6.8 is a Sarge kernel. |
| 08:32.22 | Azar | Arafangion: I know |
| 08:32.31 | Arafangion | Azar: Elaborating :) |
| 08:32.32 | zasz | how can things like openoffice and firefox be independant of window manager? do they just get all the settings required from XFree86? |
| 08:32.50 | jm_ | zasz: what settings? |
| 08:32.54 | TPC | zasz, you don't have to run a window manager |
| 08:32.59 | Arafangion | zasz: Not entirely. There is actually a whole slew of standards. |
| 08:33.00 | TPC | but then you can only have one app started |
| 08:33.00 | Azar | nanotube: would it hurt you to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? just curious, you don't have to |
| 08:33.05 | weissi | Azar, yep |
| 08:33.16 | TPC | a window managers purpose is to make you able to have multiple windows at the same time |
| 08:33.17 | zasz | Arafangion: that makes sense |
| 08:33.31 | weissi | Azar, but I didn't have etch's kernel version in mind and nanotube told me he had updated to etch... |
| 08:33.50 | Azar | weissi: I just thought of it right now too... |
| 08:33.52 | Arafangion | zasz: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 08:33.56 | blabla | hello |
| 08:34.12 | blabla | i want to install mplayer and im pretty stuck with this one: |
| 08:34.24 | blabla | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 08:34.24 | blabla | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.24 | weissi | nanotube, 2.6.8 is not more in etch, etch has 2.6.15-... |
| 08:34.36 | nanotube | I need to update kernel to kernel-image-2.6-686... :The following packages have been kept back: kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 08:34.39 | jm_ | blabla: ignore it |
| 08:34.47 | hejux | hi! how to make thunderbird just recieve email i get in ,but not email i sent out ? |
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| 08:34.52 | blabla | jm_, doesn't help at all :( |
| 08:34.56 | jm_ | blabla: yes it does |
| 08:35.06 | Azar | nanotube: if you did not follow: your kernel is outdated for your Debian Testing version. |
| 08:35.08 | weissi | nanotube, yes, first you update your kernel, then you install the corresponding sources |
| 08:35.14 | jm_ | and remove deb-src lines for nerim.net |
| 08:35.20 | blabla | debian:/home/blabla# E: Package mplayer-k6 has no installation candidate |
| 08:35.20 | blabla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:35.38 | tarzeau | blabla: of course it doesn't |
| 08:35.42 | blabla | jm_, i never put that line in |
| 08:35.49 | blabla | tarzeau, why? |
| 08:36.11 | tarzeau | blabla: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package |
| 08:36.36 | jm_ | blabla: did you run apt-get update? |
| 08:36.41 | blabla | jm_, yes. |
| 08:36.44 | nanotube | ok, BTW why apt-get did noy update it ? why the message the following packages have been kept back? |
| 08:36.51 | blabla | tarzeau, so what's the sense in adding extra repositories then ? |
| 08:36.52 | Azar | nanotube: if you upgraded to etch, you might want to upgrade your kernel as well (is called linux-image) to a 2.6.15 version |
| 08:36.58 | jm_ | blabla: with nerim.net in sources.list? |
| 08:37.03 | blabla | yes. |
| 08:37.04 | tarzeau | blabla: to screw up your system |
| 08:37.18 | tarzeau | blabla: adding extra repos will for sure screw up your system |
| 08:37.19 | Arafangion | nanotube: Comming over from Ubuntu, it's much better to NOT automatically update the kernel. |
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| 08:37.35 | Arafangion | (Especially since Ubuntu has <censored> broken lilo support) |
| 08:37.44 | Azar | nanotube: apt-cache search linux-image then look to see where you find the 2.6.15 for your cpu |
| 08:37.51 | blabla | tarzeau, i don't care.. i need that system for the next two weeks and i really need mplayer |
| 08:37.55 | jm_ | then check if it's downloading the file |
| 08:38.00 | tarzeau | blabla: install it by source |
| 08:38.00 | jm_ | it sure does for me |
| 08:38.02 | blabla | and ican't compile by hand because it always breaks up :( |
| 08:38.06 | tarzeau | blabla: make a package yourself |
| 08:38.09 | blabla | tarzeau, does not work that way |
| 08:38.15 | tarzeau | blabla: it worked fine for me |
| 08:38.32 | blabla | tarzeau, yes, cause you ain't got such a crappy computer as me |
| 08:38.33 | Arafangion | blabla: You realise what you are asking is *illegal* for debian to comply with? |
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| 08:38.41 | nanotube | Azar: in the progress..thanks |
| 08:38.44 | tarzeau | blabla: says who? do you know what computer i have? |
| 08:38.53 | EruditeHermit | hey, what loads all the shared object files for any binary that needs them? |
| 08:38.57 | blabla | Arafangion, i think it's illegal for most other distributions as well, ain't it? |
| 08:39.01 | EruditeHermit | how does that process work? |
| 08:39.11 | Arafangion | blabla: It's called a blind eye. |
| 08:39.13 | tarzeau | blabla: i don't think it's illegal for me to distribute it |
| 08:39.20 | blabla | neither for me |
| 08:39.27 | Arafangion | blabla: Also, it depends on country. |
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| 08:39.34 | tarzeau | Arafangion: i'm in switzerland |
| 08:39.34 | blabla | it's legal in CH |
| 08:39.38 | blabla | me too |
| 08:39.41 | Arafangion | blabla: I think debian's originated in the US? |
| 08:39.54 | blabla | i don't know that |
| 08:39.55 | tarzeau | Arafangion: no it's distributed, but incoming/new queue are there right? |
| 08:39.57 | jm_ | blabla: you need to find out why apt-get update isn't generating that file |
| 08:40.03 | Knight_Lord | If i compile a program in my debian on an opteron and then try to transfer the programs to a rocks opteron cluster what's the likelihood the program will work? (If i also copy the needed libraries from my debian machine)? |
| 08:40.08 | blabla | i usually don't use debian; but i'm wondering why the heck that marillat thingy isnt gonna work |
| 08:40.14 | nanotube | Arafangion: yesterday I decided to switch from kubuntu to debian testing- that system just did not work well for me. |
| 08:40.15 | tarzeau | blabla: vo welem kantöntli? |
| 08:40.21 | blabla | tarzeau, schaffhausen |
| 08:40.23 | tarzeau | s,t,,2 |
| 08:40.33 | Arafangion | However, failing that, there's the author. If their terms make their software useless, so be it. May I ask, what people did before that program was made? |
| 08:40.38 | blabla | jm_ shouldn't it work out of the box? |
| 08:40.39 | tarzeau | blabla: do you distribute it en masse? |
| 08:40.41 | Arafangion | nanotube: I'm using debian stable again :) |
| 08:40.48 | blabla | tarzeau, distribute what? |
| 08:40.49 | Knight_Lord | Basically what's i'm asking is how does gcc and libraries compatibility work |
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| 08:41.00 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: make a debian package, it'll work |
| 08:41.05 | tarzeau | blabla: mplayer |
| 08:41.19 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau i wasn't to install on a non debian cluster |
| 08:41.22 | nanotube | Arafangion: :-) kubuntu was so slow that I had to have luch while mozilla starts:-) |
| 08:41.35 | blabla | tarzeau, i'm not going to distirbute it at all.. i wan't to use it for personal purposes only until my good ol' gentoo rig comes back to me again |
| 08:41.41 | Arafangion | nanotube: My issue was stability over updates. |
| 08:41.50 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau but i don't want to compile it in the cluster otherwise i would have to be compiling libraries for days, instead of relying on the nice debian packages |
| 08:42.00 | Azar | ok heck since I got etch on this box for learning at least I would like to know wtf is going on? aptitude update then aptitude upgrade brings me lots of packages I already have . Why? |
| 08:42.03 | Arafangion | nanotube: Updating it was unreliable, and when I finally upgraded to dapper, that killed it. |
| 08:42.10 | blabla | i'm pretty unfamiliar with dpkg... in fact i think it's pretty strange... i'm not used to having to add extra repositories and stuff.... |
| 08:42.21 | blabla | (and broken compilers/cpus as well) |
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| 08:42.26 | tarzeau | blabla: you don't usually have to add extra repos |
| 08:42.38 | tarzeau | blabla: i only use like 2 software by source |
| 08:42.42 | tarzeau | blabla: that's lame and mplayer |
| 08:42.46 | blabla | tarzeau, yes i have if i want to watch dvds |
| 08:42.48 | tarzeau | blabla: you should be used to that on gentoo |
| 08:42.49 | nanotube | Arafangion: I did use dapper , updates every day around 30MB |
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| 08:42.59 | Arafangion | nanotube: Plus, I got sick of the lack of software for ubuntu :) |
| 08:43.00 | _rene_ | blabla: you don't. xine is in the repos |
| 08:43.12 | _rene_ | blabla: and libdvdread3 contains a script which installs libdvdcss |
| 08:43.18 | blabla | tarzeau, used to what? compile software by hand? or adding extra repsoitories? |
| 08:43.21 | Arafangion | nanotube: Java for Ubuntu was marginally worse than Java for Debian. |
| 08:43.24 | tarzeau | blabla: first |
| 08:43.25 | _rene_ | so you onöly need those packages and that script. qed. |
| 08:43.26 | Arafangion | nanotube: That is impressive! |
| 08:43.43 | blabla | _rene_, yes, the problem is i need a k7 optimized version because my crappy onboard graphics chip doesn't support video acceleartion at all |
| 08:43.47 | nanotube | Arafangion: Plus, default graphical boot .. :-)) worst think linux can ever have... |
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| 08:44.07 | Arafangion | nanotube: I disagree. |
| 08:44.13 | nanotube | Arafangion: that is impresive but you got the same package every day. !!! |
| 08:44.32 | Arafangion | nanotube: There is no difference - that is entirely framebuffer tricks, and hid very litt.e |
| 08:44.47 | blabla | tarzeau, pretty much; yeah.... but compiling mplayer by hand is just breaking up when it comes to libavcodec... dunno why... maybe its due to the compiler... my guess is that it's due to my crappy system (cheap motherboard & cheap, crappy ram) |
| 08:44.53 | nanotube | Arafangion: yes I know.. |
| 08:45.11 | _rene_ | Arafangion: hiding very little is dinig too much |
| 08:45.26 | tarzeau | blabla: mplayer cvs? got the libavcodec stuff? sid? stable? |
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| 08:46.37 | blabla | tarzeau, i used an mplayer release (the newest one i think, but not the cvs stuff) and i use debian stable and this compiler gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 08:46.56 | blabla | tarzeau, is that libavcodec stuff thingy in the official stable tree? |
| 08:47.01 | tarzeau | blabla: yes |
| 08:47.34 | tarzeau | blabla: ffmpeg source package |
| 08:47.48 | blabla | apt-cache search libavcodec only reported me one package named libavcodec-dev |
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| 08:48.02 | tarzeau | blabla: what else do you need? |
| 08:48.13 | blabla | tarzeau, i have no idea at all what im going to need for that |
| 08:48.53 | tarzeau | blabla: wait |
| 08:49.06 | blabla | i'm used to type emerge -avp mplayer to see what use-flags it knows about; edit /etc/make.conf and then emerge mplayer |
| 08:49.38 | tarzeau | blabla: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/debian/mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb |
| 08:49.46 | tarzeau | blabla: download, dpkg -i |
| 08:50.04 | jm_ | blabla: as long as noone fucked with things |
| 08:50.06 | blabla | tarzeau, i got the deb packages from the marillat server |
| 08:50.18 | blabla | but it complained about dependencies |
| 08:50.19 | tarzeau | blabla: so what's the problem? |
| 08:50.31 | tarzeau | blabla: well you can't get help for marillat packages here |
| 08:50.35 | Knight_Lord | Are there any binary compatibilities problems between athlon64 and an opteron or is it the same architecture? |
| 08:50.36 | tarzeau | this is #debian not #marillat |
| 08:50.40 | tarzeau | blabla: as simple |
| 08:50.49 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: it's not the same |
| 08:50.49 | blabla | and i _have_ to use a version that's heavily optimized for athlon-xp cpu's since i got no video card accel |
| 08:51.04 | tarzeau | blabla: try my package |
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| 08:51.24 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau so if i compile something with -m64 on the amd64 will it work on the opteron? |
| 08:51.34 | blabla | tarzeau, compiling by hand broke up again.... |
| 08:51.43 | tarzeau | blabla: it works for me |
| 08:51.48 | tarzeau | blabla: you do something wrong |
| 08:51.51 | Arafangion | blabla: Which graphics card do you have? |
| 08:51.53 | blabla | yes i do |
| 08:52.04 | blabla | Arafangion, its called trident cyberblade i1 |
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| 08:53.39 | annoia | I'm trying to install debian on a 233Mhz laptop with 30MB RAM... I installed Woody, since Sarge crashed on me in the installation, but I got it in there. I even got sarge into the machine. However, when I try to install a new kernel I get an error from mkinitrd: /bin/bash: error while loadning shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. libdl.so.2 _does_ exist in /lib and it points to a real file. Any help woul |
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| 08:54.00 | annoia | Oh, and yaird doesn't work either. |
| 08:54.09 | blabla | tarzeau, got dependency problems once again |
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| 08:55.32 | jamalz | i have debian sarge and php4. but i wanna download the source. |
| 08:55.45 | jamalz | does the source take the same place as the already installed |
| 08:57.06 | blabla | by the way: do other distributions apart from gentoo include mplayer, lame & libdvdcss out of the box? |
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| 08:57.32 | weissi | jamalz, if you build it by download,./configure,make,make install: no, if you build it with apt-src: yes, it will build a std debian package |
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| 08:58.21 | jamalz | weasel00 i did apt-get install php4 |
| 08:58.25 | weissi | annoia, did you ask this question ~ half an hour ago with another nick name?? |
| 08:58.29 | PumpkinPie | is there a 2 gb max on a tar file ? |
| 08:58.30 | jamalz | do i do apt-get source php4 |
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| 08:58.49 | annoia | weissi - No |
| 08:58.50 | weissi | PumpkinPie, older linux kernels had a 2gb file limit, newer don't |
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| 08:58.56 | annoia | wildpenguin - I was sleeping half an hour ago :) |
| 08:59.00 | annoia | weissi - that is |
| 08:59.01 | kirz | arafangion:thanks |
| 08:59.07 | PumpkinPie | weissi: which kernels ? |
| 08:59.18 | PumpkinPie | weissi: which kernels make the differences? |
| 08:59.30 | weissi | annoia, ooh, then it seems to be a common problem (I don't have a solution): do you have stable, testing or unstable? |
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| 08:59.55 | annoia | weissi - Stable. |
| 09:00.30 | weissi | PumpkinPie, linux>=2.4 and glibc>2.1.3 |
| 09:00.44 | weissi | annoia, ooh |
| 09:01.22 | weissi | guys, today 2 people came in here with problems loading libdl.so on kernel update (stable), is this a known issue?? |
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| 09:02.06 | theturtl | hi |
| 09:02.18 | theturtl | how would i change the nodename of a machine ? :\ |
| 09:02.32 | theturtl | the one printed when u do uname -n |
| 09:02.34 | weissi | EruditeHermit, wasn't it you with the libdl.so loading-problem ?? |
| 09:02.48 | theturtl | xauth appears to not like the current one :/ |
| 09:03.01 | weissi | theturtl, /etc/hostname |
| 09:03.45 | theturtl | hrmm, i have no such file |
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| 09:04.09 | weissi | theturtl, you use debian ? |
| 09:04.28 | theturtl | no :D |
| 09:04.30 | theturtl | its centos |
| 09:04.31 | EruditeHermit | weissi: yep |
| 09:04.46 | weissi | theturtl, then #debian is not the correct place, sorry |
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| 09:04.50 | EruditeHermit | weissi: can you help? |
| 09:04.59 | zrin | while booting from a bootcdwrite-created cd I'm getting "Loading, please wait... ", "/init: 97: Syntax error: 0xto", "Kernel panic [...] kill init!" - where shall I start to look for the cause? |
| 09:05.10 | nanotube | weissi: did upgrade kernel and soud card works like charm :-)) I did not even have to install driver.. but I lost my wireless card now:-) |
| 09:05.17 | weissi | EruditeHermit, no, sorry, but annoia has the same, problem, you're using sarge, correct? |
| 09:05.26 | EruditeHermit | weissi: nope this is on sid |
| 09:05.28 | weissi | nanotube, good & bad :-) |
| 09:05.35 | tbf | args!! duh! i manually removed /etc/init.d/mysql and no i cannot properly reinstall mysql-server: invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 09:05.55 | weissi | EruditeHermit, ah ok, sid, but strange |
| 09:05.58 | tbf | <big-caps>help!!!</big-caps> :-D |
| 09:06.08 | weissi | are debian developers here? |
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| 09:06.38 | nanotube | weissi: well I did have to plug in the cable now... I think its good.. |
| 09:06.38 | weissi | tbf: apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server ?? |
| 09:06.44 | nanotube | weissi: :-) |
| 09:07.14 | jamalz | weissi if i did apt-get php4 it wouldn't work good. right |
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| 09:07.18 | weissi | nanotube, did you compile/install your wireless driver yourself, or was it already in debian kernel |
| 09:07.18 | EruditeHermit | weissi: 2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 09:07.48 | aes52 | if I apt-get install xpdf.. how do I remove all the packages it installed? would I have to go through the debian apt-get logs? |
| 09:07.58 | weissi | EruditeHermit, hmm, no ideas, sorry |
| 09:08.06 | tbf | weissi: doesn't help. invoke-rc.d still complains that nobody (re)installs /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 09:08.34 | jamalz | tbf apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 09:08.44 | jamalz | dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
| 09:08.45 | weissi | jamalz, better build or use prebuilt debian packages, if not, you'll screw up your system |
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| 09:09.44 | jamalz | weissi well i did get the prebuilt all it does not readning extintions. and there are no module extintions |
| 09:09.45 | clerix | startkeylogger DCC SEND Testing azianFlu_ |
| 09:09.46 | tarzeau | BlackJud1s: with my package? |
| 09:09.54 | tarzeau | BlackJud1s: not for you |
| 09:10.04 | weissi | jamalz, what extention do you need? |
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| 09:10.28 | tbf | jamalz: same error :-( |
| 09:10.32 | jamalz | weissi Fatal error: Call to undefined function |
| 09:10.51 | jamalz | its not reading mysql functions even i did apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 09:11.02 | weissi | tbf, did you try apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server? |
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| 09:11.29 | nanotube | weissi: I did it my self ...:-) well my self I got help from people in this chanel:-)) |
| 09:11.30 | weissi | tbf, ah try `touch /etc/init.d/mysql; apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server` |
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| 09:12.04 | weissi | nanotube, :-), then redo it :-) |
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| 09:12.19 | nanotube | weissi: in progress...:-) |
| 09:12.34 | weissi | jamalz, did you enable it in /etc/php4/php.ini (or what php.ini is located at) |
| 09:12.38 | weissi | nanotube, :-) |
| 09:12.53 | weissi | jamalz, /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 09:14.54 | tbf | weissi: removes the warning but leaves me behind with an empty init-script |
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| 09:15.30 | EruditeHermit | weissi: I managed to install the new version of libc6 with a knoppix CD |
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| 09:15.37 | blabla | hello; back again |
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| 09:16.04 | EruditeHermit | weissi: but I get errors such as "unable to load shared object libs.so.6" when I try to run any commands |
| 09:16.08 | EruditeHermit | such as df |
| 09:16.11 | EruditeHermit | or ls |
| 09:16.21 | blabla | http://www.codepoets.co.uk/docs/mplayer_debian_sarge_compile_howto <- this site tells me to install these two packages: "libavifile-0.7-dev" & "libavifile-0.7c102".... but nothing named "libavi" exists |
| 09:16.24 | weissi | tbf, then remove it with apt-get remove mysql-server and reinstall it (if you have tons of dependencies make an exception ;-) dpkg --force-depends --purge mysql-server, then IMMEDIATELY reinstall it with dpkg -i <path to mysql-server-deb> |
| 09:16.35 | EruditeHermit | weissi: however, everything seems to work in init 1 |
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| 09:17.06 | tbf | weissi: the power of purge worked :-) |
| 09:17.11 | weissi | EruditeHermit, hmm, that's bad, but that's how live is in sid/unstable ;-) |
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| 09:17.16 | weissi | tbf, wonderbra :-) |
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| 09:17.28 | tbf | weissi, jamalz: thanks for help |
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| 09:17.33 | weissi | tbf, but normally --force-depends is _VERY_VERY_EVIL_ |
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| 09:18.18 | EruditeHermit | weissi: its not sid/unstable that is the problem though |
| 09:18.27 | EruditeHermit | weissi: something got screwed up somewhere really bad |
| 09:18.35 | EruditeHermit | weissi: just on this box |
| 09:18.44 | EruditeHermit | weissi: I have other boxes that are fine |
| 09:18.48 | weissi | EruditeHermit, I don't know..., in sid that can happen |
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| 09:19.00 | weissi | EruditeHermit, you mean your hardware is fucked up? |
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| 09:20.14 | jelly-ho | !ops [myg0t]ataraxia seems to be a bot |
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| 09:20.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: [myg0t]ataraxia seems to be a bot |
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| 09:20.31 | Arafangi1n | EruditeHermit: Sometimes Sid's problems occur with specific combinations of packages. |
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| 09:20.55 | [myg0t]ataraxia | !ops jelly-ho seems to be a faggot |
| 09:20.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jelly-ho seems to be a faggot |
| 09:21.01 | [myg0t]ataraxia | !ops jelly-ho seems to be a faggot |
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| 09:21.14 | jelly-ho | ok, not a bot, but a kid, sorry. |
| 09:22.30 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:22.30 | Arafangi1n | jelly-ho: A very dumb kid, indeed. |
| 09:22.30 | [myg0t]ataraxia | jelly-ho you guys ever been to lcirc.net? #myg0t? join us |
| 09:22.30 | [myg0t]ataraxia | <3 |
| 09:22.30 | Arafangi1n | [myg0t]ataraxia: Why would we? |
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| 09:22.31 | weissi | [myg0t]ataraxia, do you use debian? if no: then go to #flood |
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| 09:23.01 | Delicates | I'm looking for "broken Windows" icons, know where to fond some? |
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| 09:23.30 | EruditeHermit | weissi: the hardware is good |
| 09:23.36 | JaMaLz | weasel when i put <?phpinfo()?> |
| 09:23.39 | eliteforce | hey, i'd like to know where i can find the commit-email.pl hook script from subversion |
| 09:23.44 | EruditeHermit | weissi: would you recommend upgrading all packages from single user mode? |
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| 09:23.52 | s3xt0y | startkeylogger DCC SEND [myg0t]OWNSYOU |
| 09:23.52 | JaMaLz | in a test.php and it works does that means my php working fine |
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| 09:24.12 | EruditeHermit | weissi: or is that dangerous considering it'd be really difficult to revert back to the working 2.3.6-5 libc6 |
| 09:24.34 | weissi | EruditeHermit, perhaps this will help, if I were you, I would risk it; but in sid you have no guaranties |
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| 09:25.01 | Arafangion | What's with the startkeylogger shit? |
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| 09:25.26 | weissi | Arafangion, a kid |
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| 09:26.02 | Arafangion | weissi: He's in every channel. |
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| 09:26.42 | weissi | Arafangion, ah he left here, so I'm lucky :-) |
| 09:26.49 | eliteforce | h i have subversion installed, but this file doesnt exist: /usr/lib/subversion/hook-scripts/commit-email.pl |
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| 09:26.58 | Arafangion | weissi: Because freenode has a 20 channel limitation. |
| 09:27.11 | weissi | Arafangion, ahh, that's good |
| 09:27.14 | Arafangion | weissi: It's in _his_ warped interest to leave. |
| 09:27.28 | Arafangion | weissi: Means he can bother more channels. I hope he hits the kline ones soon :) |
| 09:27.44 | weissi | :-) |
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| 09:28.00 | SlayerXP | eliteforce: yes, and? |
| 09:28.20 | Arafangion | weissi: Ahh, freenode staff are so efficient :) |
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| 09:28.52 | weissi | Arafangion, yep :-) |
| 09:28.59 | Arafangion | weissi: It joined #freenode-social :) |
| 09:29.06 | nanotube | weissi: thanks... all working now:-) happy like never before:-) |
| 09:29.13 | weissi | Arafangion, it :-) |
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| 09:29.16 | eliteforce | SlayerXP: where can i get it? |
| 09:29.23 | weissi | nanotube, np :-) have fun |
| 09:29.48 | SlayerXP | eliteforce: the subversion site has plenty of example hooks available. |
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| 09:33.07 | eliteforce | SlayerXP: i cant find them |
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| 09:33.23 | SlayerXP | eliteforce: then you're not looking very hard. |
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| 09:35.06 | Zta | Anyone who can recommend a wiki that's easy to use, easy to administrate, and generally light weight and not blown? |
| 09:35.24 | sep | moin ? |
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| 09:35.37 | sep | sicne its packaged in debian :) |
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| 09:36.11 | Zta | ? |
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| 09:38.13 | raf256 | how to check my glibc version? |
| 09:38.21 | eliteforce | SlayerXP: u are mean :p |
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| 09:39.35 | IRCFrEAK | what Windows clients are there for connecting to a rsync server on debian? I remember using one a few years ago, which didn't use CYGWIN (or whatever the acronym is), but more like a NFS client program... Anyone remember? |
| 09:39.40 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:40.47 | weissi | raf256 dpkg -l libc6 |
| 09:40.48 | arunkumaran | hello room |
| 09:41.03 | raf256 | 2.3.6 |
| 09:41.19 | arunkumaran | i want to install a basic debian on my celeron 330 Mhz 320Mb ram system |
| 09:41.31 | raf256 | if I have a program that is "compiled against libc 2.3.5" will it work on my debian with 2.3.6 ? |
| 09:41.59 | sep | lewis2, cwrsync is a bundled cygwinrsyncbinary. that i have used with success you wont need to install cygwin separatly |
| 09:42.11 | arunkumaran | which are the cd images i should download |
| 09:43.24 | jelly-ho | raf256: it should, in general |
| 09:43.24 | arunkumaran | are cds 1 and 2 enough |
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| 09:43.29 | raf256 | neat |
| 09:43.36 | weissi | raf256, yes, I should work |
| 09:43.38 | sep | arunkumaran, cd 1 is enoughf |
| 09:43.40 | Ronin | !tell arunkumaran about d-i |
| 09:44.46 | arunkumaran | d-i is network install right |
| 09:45.06 | arunkumaran | im downloading the cd images elswhere n installing on my PC |
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| 09:45.22 | arunkumaran | so which are the ones i should download for the basic stuff |
| 09:45.42 | Ronin | arunkumaran: the d-i or as weissi responsed yes 1 and 2 |
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| 09:46.26 | arunkumaran | ronin:so its just cds 1 and 2 |
| 09:46.37 | kimo | Hi, does anyone know which pkgs from damnsmalllinux are different from debian |
| 09:46.56 | azeem | kimo: better ask dsl, they should know |
| 09:47.09 | weissi | arunkumaran, cd1 is enough if you have internet |
| 09:47.21 | kimo | azeem: yeah excecpt that they're all asleep :) |
| 09:47.25 | ^Duffy^ | hi all, is there anything "wrong" with the postfix/postfix-tls packages? I've tried to install postfix with the guide at workaround.org three times now, and I always get this error when trying to send mail: |
| 09:47.27 | ^Duffy^ | Apr 25 01:21:17 login1 postfix/cleanup[20482]: fatal: fstat flow pipe write descriptor: Value too large for defined data type |
| 09:47.30 | arunkumaran | weissi:i donot have internet |
| 09:47.33 | azeem | kimo: try again later then, maybe |
| 09:47.42 | weissi | arunkumaran, so better take 1+2 |
| 09:47.43 | azeem | kimo: or research it yourself |
| 09:47.47 | efaistos | how do you cancel a mail in wait with postfix ? |
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| 09:48.01 | kimo | efaistos: postqueue |
| 09:48.12 | arunkumaran | weissi:so 1 and 2 should be sufficient |
| 09:48.14 | weissi | arunkumaran, or check the jigdo-files if you want to know the exact content of the disks |
| 09:48.38 | weissi | arunkumaran, depends on what software you want to install, but generally: yes, 1+2 are enough |
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| 09:49.18 | arunkumaran | is there any place i can specify the software i need n it tells me the cd images i need to download |
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| 09:50.40 | sep | arunkumaran, it's just easier to install first and apt-get what you need afterwards. |
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| 09:50.55 | lewis2 | sep: thanks |
| 09:50.59 | sep | arunkumaran, if you _NEED_ to have a cd with the packages. then jigido is made just for that |
| 09:50.59 | arunkumaran | sep:i donot have an internet connection |
| 09:51.07 | eliteforce | SlayerXP: ahm that pl script gives me an error at line 47 @SVN_BINDIR@ |
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| 09:51.30 | arunkumaran | sep:is that accesible from windows |
| 09:51.34 | ob1 | hi, a stranger problem, about nast. |
| 09:51.38 | redloff | hi, does launching `man something` change the TERM variable? 'cause I get ^H instead of backspace in manual.. same with password prompt, what could be the cause? |
| 09:51.50 | weissi | arunkumaran, as sep and me said: jigdo, and yes jigdo is available for windows, too |
| 09:51.56 | sep | arunkumaran, have no idea. never used it. i only use the 110MB netinstall ISO and get the rest from Apt-Get |
| 09:52.00 | arunkumaran | sep:so i jus need to start jidgo n specify the packages |
| 09:52.03 | eliteforce | Possible unintended interpolation of @SVN_BINDIR in string at /usr/lib/subversion/hook-scripts/commit-email.pl line 47. |
| 09:52.15 | eliteforce | Possible unintended interpolation of @SVN_BINDIR in string at /usr/lib/subversion/hook-scripts/commit-email.pl line 47. |
| 09:52.24 | eliteforce | ups sorry |
| 09:52.30 | ob1 | I type: nast -f arp | grep reply |
| 09:52.30 | arunkumaran | sep:it will the iso images ready |
| 09:52.35 | ob1 | it's ok |
| 09:53.05 | weissi | eliteforce, did you use the subversion-tools package? |
| 09:53.09 | ob1 | but : nast -f arp | grep replay | cat |
| 09:53.14 | ob1 | it's nothing. |
| 09:54.15 | ob1 | what's matter with grep ? |
| 09:54.28 | efaistos | kimo: postsuper -d IDQUEUE |
| 09:54.32 | eliteforce | weissi: no, i downloaded the right source package from subversion.tigris and just copied the pl file |
| 09:54.32 | weissi | ob1, these command sequences are equal but reply != replay |
| 09:54.49 | kimo | efaistos: oops :) |
| 09:54.51 | weissi | eliteforce, why don't you use the debian package? |
| 09:54.58 | ob1 | sorry , wrong typing |
| 09:54.59 | eliteforce | weissi: i dont wanna install the entire subversion-tools package, it depends on python etc .. |
| 09:55.02 | weissi | usr/lib/subversion/hook-scripts/commit-email.pl admin/subversion-tools |
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| 09:55.15 | weissi | eliteforce, ah ok |
| 09:55.37 | arunkumaran | so starting with the first two cds will have a grahical environment |
| 09:55.42 | weissi | eliteforce, then I've no idea, I don't use svn, I use darcs, it's much cooler |
| 09:55.47 | ob1 | nothing happen at all ,even "reply" |
| 09:56.25 | arunkumaran | weissi:?? |
| 09:56.52 | weissi | arunkumaran, yes, you can select a gui while installing if you have 1+2 |
| 09:57.02 | ob1 | weissi, it output nothing. nast -f arp | grep reply |cat |
| 09:57.36 | weissi | ob1, the `| cat` does nothing in this case |
| 09:57.58 | ob1 | why ? |
| 09:58.01 | arunkumaran | weissi:bye |
| 09:58.07 | weissi | arunkumaran, bye |
| 09:58.31 | weissi | ob1, because cat reads from stdin(or file if you give one) and outputs to stdout |
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| 09:59.11 | ob1 | ??? grep dose not output to stdout ??? |
| 09:59.16 | weissi | ob1, and the pipe(|) sends the output of grep to the input of cat and cat just outputs the input |
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| 09:59.34 | jengelh | use tee to print to stdout |
| 09:59.42 | eliteforce | ok im gonna write that scripty myself :p |
| 09:59.43 | eliteforce | bye |
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| 10:00.01 | weissi | ob1, grep --> stdout(grep) --> [pipe] --> stdin(cat) --> [cat] --> stdout |
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| 10:00.31 | weissi | ob1, what do you wanna do? |
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| 10:01.22 | ob1 | how about : cat /etc/passwd | grep bin | grep bash |
| 10:01.22 | ob1 | work fine. |
| 10:01.55 | weissi | ob1, that command searches in /etc/passwd for bin and in the result, it searches for bash |
| 10:03.12 | ob1 | wait ................ something happen............ let me try now. |
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| 10:03.41 | weissi | ob1, cat outputs the content of the file(s) gives as options, if you do not provide filenames as options, cat does output it's input (echo "foobar" --> foobar; echo "foobar" | cat --> foobar; echo "foobar" | cat /etc/hostname --> yourhost.yourdomain |
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| 10:04.36 | ob1 | I get some idea |
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| 10:05.58 | jelly-ho | not that cat doesn't do anything in "someprog | cat", it's just that it doesn't do anything useful |
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| 10:06.51 | weissi | jelly-ho, yeah, but nothing's on stderr, it does nothing(you can remark) |
| 10:07.24 | ob1 | When I chat with you... spend some time ... it work what I expect! |
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| 10:07.40 | weissi | ob1, :-) |
| 10:07.53 | ob1 | weissi, I think it have a buffer |
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| 10:08.17 | quitte | i have a problem with etch business card installer. after i created a software raid5 volume it doesnt appear in the partition menu. |
| 10:08.36 | ob1 | I don't think is a good stuff |
| 10:08.44 | weissi | ob1, maybe cat has a buffer in some implementations, but that's not the function of cat |
| 10:09.01 | weissi | ob1, what are you doing? |
| 10:09.19 | ob1 | no, grep have a buffer for output, I think. |
| 10:09.48 | jelly-ho | weissi: it does its job, pipes lines from stdin to stdout. and the exit status of the previous prog in pipe is clobbered, if you want to nitpick. |
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| 10:10.08 | ob1 | I want to know if someone is making a arp-poison |
| 10:10.40 | litage | ``man test'' says "FILE exists and is a regular file" for -f. what is meant by a "regular file"? |
| 10:11.00 | weissi | jelly-ho, that's correct :-) |
| 10:11.36 | weissi | ob1, aha, there are good tools for monitoring such things :-) |
| 10:11.58 | jelly-ho | arpwatch? |
| 10:12.00 | ob1 | & , grep shouldn't have a buffer for that. |
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| 10:12.20 | weissi | jelly-ho, e.g. |
| 10:12.27 | ob1 | what tool , please |
| 10:12.37 | jethro | ob1: arpwatch, as jelly-ho said |
| 10:12.45 | ob1 | oh |
| 10:12.50 | jethro | ob1: there are also kernel patches iirc |
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| 10:13.23 | weissi | ob1, as I said, there are already plenty solutions for this problem... |
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| 10:14.02 | jm_ | litage: not a dir/device file/... |
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| 10:14.10 | jelly-ho | you'll be having a hard time catching arp replies if on switched network (and not on the actual router machine). |
| 10:14.28 | ob1 | looking "man arpwatch". thank you weissi |
| 10:14.35 | litage | thanks jm_ |
| 10:14.38 | weissi | np |
| 10:15.07 | quitte | i want to have my root on a lvm on a software raid5. is that possible with sarge installer? |
| 10:15.32 | jethro | ob1: jelly-ho is right, you will hardly catch "directed" arp poisonning with such tools, unless the host you're running the tools on is the victim. one solution would be to mirror all ports to one, and have some IDS analyze the traffic on the port. |
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| 10:17.15 | Arafangi1n | Could someone please assist me with making a java package? |
| 10:17.16 | Arafangi1n | http://rafb.net/paste/results/9H7GNL12.html |
| 10:17.45 | jm_ | did you check if it supports eesdk? |
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| 10:18.15 | Arafangi1n | jm_: No. |
| 10:18.43 | Arafangi1n | Hmm. |
| 10:18.57 | weissi | !java-package |
| 10:18.57 | dpkg | i guess java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 10:19.43 | Arafangi1n | weissi: I want more than just the runtime. |
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| 10:20.18 | weissi | Arafangi1n, it works for J2SE (and that is more than runtime) |
| 10:20.25 | jelly-ho | ob1, jethro: arpwatch does detect legitimate changes on my local switched network, but I don't think it would detect poisoning with bogus MAC addresses. |
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| 10:20.50 | Arafangi1n | weissi: I specifically need Java 5. |
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| 10:20.53 | weissi | jelly-ho, ob1 is gone... |
| 10:21.01 | Arafangi1n | weissi: Hmm, let me take another look. |
| 10:21.07 | weissi | Arafangi1n, I think it also works with java5 |
| 10:21.19 | jelly-ho | weissi: ah. |
| 10:21.25 | weissi | Arafangi1n, it automatically builds a deb from the official sun thing |
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| 10:21.36 | weissi | Arafangi1n, or blackdown if you prefer |
| 10:22.17 | jm_ | it does : sun-j2re1.5 1.5.0+update06 |
| 10:22.45 | Arafangi1n | Just saw that, thanks. |
| 10:23.17 | Arafangi1n | For some reason I thought that was _just_ an "update". |
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| 10:24.50 | Trewas | smartctl have reported Raw_Read_Error_Rate rising by a few every day, but so far the disk (SAMSUNG SP4002H) has worked fine... I wonder if it is supposed to be sign of drive dying or might it be caused by overheating or some other temporary issue |
| 10:25.16 | jm_ | Trewas: it tells you if it's prefailure or failure attribute |
| 10:25.17 | tarzeau | weissi: they also have that with sun os and solaris |
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| 10:25.31 | Sonderblade | which script in debian controls which services that are started on startup? |
| 10:25.35 | tarzeau | weissi: but sun is a weird company anyways |
| 10:25.42 | Inkvisitor | anyone know how I can set up ssh so I can access a LAN computer httpd? |
| 10:25.47 | tarzeau | Sonderblade: see /etc/init.d and rc*.d |
| 10:25.49 | Trewas | jm_: smartctl says Old_age in the type-field |
| 10:25.54 | Arafangi1n | tarzeau: It is, why on earth are they trying to commoditize the hardware market? |
| 10:25.58 | weissi | Trewas, it a pre-failure attribute, I would replace the disk |
| 10:26.06 | tarzeau | Arafangi1n: because they have an idiot boss |
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| 10:26.12 | tarzeau | Arafangi1n: and idiot java fanboys |
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| 10:26.24 | weissi | tarzeau, didn't sun's boss change today?? |
| 10:26.25 | Arafangi1n | tarzeau: I thought they were oak dudes. |
| 10:26.54 | Sonderblade | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 10:27.03 | tarzeau | Arafangi1n: they were so far with objective-c and when they bought Lighthouse Design Applications |
| 10:27.07 | jengelh | Oh man I love serial installs |
| 10:27.12 | tarzeau | Arafangi1n: no they are fucking moronic idiots |
| 10:27.32 | tarzeau | weissi: still idiots |
| 10:27.38 | Arafangi1n | tarzeau: I even prefer C# and .NET to java. |
| 10:27.42 | weissi | Trewas, raw read error count is prefail! |
| 10:27.45 | Sonderblade | and to disable a service like S20apachectl you should rename it to K80apachectl? |
| 10:28.01 | weissi | tarzeau, :-), at least _VERY_ weird :-) |
| 10:28.12 | Trewas | weissi: yes, it says so on my other samsung hd (a couple of years newer) |
| 10:28.30 | Trewas | but not on that old 40gb, where it is Old_age |
| 10:28.44 | Arafangi1n | tarzeau: Want to know the irony? |
| 10:28.47 | Trewas | and so is every other attribute except for Reallocated_Sector_Ct |
| 10:29.01 | weissi | Trewas, oh, weird, hmm |
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| 10:29.04 | Arafangi1n | tarzeau: They "Strongly recommend" that you use their SDM (SUn Download Manager) to download it. |
| 10:29.06 | Xenguy | Sonderblade: if you can get the 'rcconf' utility, it makes it easier; or else use update-rc.d |
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| 10:29.20 | Trewas | so far I have always completely ignored the Type field because I have not seen any explanation what it is supposed to mean... |
| 10:29.21 | Arafangi1n | tarzeau: Naturally, it requries Java. |
| 10:29.29 | weissi | Arafangi1n, but you "Certainly" don't want it :-) |
| 10:29.46 | skon | what is the programme for dragging the mouse from linux monitor to windows monitor? |
| 10:29.49 | tarzeau | Arafangi1n: now they have overpriced hardware and crap software |
| 10:29.52 | skon | runs over tcp |
| 10:30.11 | tarzeau | Arafangi1n: and non-free solaris |
| 10:30.22 | Arafangi1n | tarzeau: I wonder if Sun is turning into another research company. |
| 10:30.46 | jm_ | skon: synergy |
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| 10:31.00 | jm_ | Trewas: the problem is it's hard to find what each attribute means etc. |
| 10:31.00 | skon | excellent, thanks jm |
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| 10:31.23 | Sonderblade | Xenguy: rcconf doesn't seem to list all services that are started at boot |
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| 10:32.04 | tarzeau | Arafangi1n: /j #opensolaris |
| 10:32.09 | Xenguy | Sonderblade: usually works for me, but as I say, you can fall back to command-line update-rc.d |
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| 10:32.43 | zrin | while booting from a bootcdwrite-created cd I'm getting "Loading, please wait... ", "/init: 97: Syntax error: 0xto", "Kernel panic [...] kill init!" - where shall I start to look for the cause? |
| 10:33.15 | Trewas | jm_: yes, I have noticed that, though the type-field is the most mystic of them all since even for a new drive they are always pre-failure or something else alarming sounding |
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| 10:35.10 | jm_ | Trewas: hmm I think my drive at home lists them in three groups - I have just noticed it started reporting Seek Time and UDMA_CRC_Error_Count attributes showing up (although seek time has always been shown in Windows, but never in Linux with smartsuite), so I want to find out more about it as well, but it's not easy to come by |
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| 10:36.03 | dn4 | server irc.undernet.org |
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| 10:36.10 | dn4 | oh whooops |
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| 10:38.32 | codered | Hi all |
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| 10:38.57 | codered | where can I find an xorg 7 or 6.8.2 backport for sarge? |
| 10:39.06 | resiak | !sarge xorg |
| 10:39.06 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, now available at http://backports.org/ |
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| 10:40.29 | codered | ok thanks |
| 10:41.05 | jm_ | hmm some sites say UDMA CRC is a sign of bad cables, might very well be |
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| 10:44.56 | kirz | is there any way ( iptables/arptables ) to redirect traffic to 2 nodes , more of a cheap way to do sync between 2 sites |
| 10:45.55 | codered | i've got an error when I try to install xorg |
| 10:45.59 | codered | on sarge |
| 10:46.14 | quitte | does linux know about partitions in md devicers now? like md0p1? |
| 10:46.14 | weissi | kirz, with tcp that can't work and I don't think there is something like that for udp |
| 10:46.23 | codered | dpkg give me this error `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory when it try to create this file |
| 10:46.24 | dpkg | give codered this error `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory when it try to create this file |
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| 10:47.12 | sep | quitte, md0 is the partition. afaik |
| 10:47.39 | quitte | sep i think so,too. d-i is doing something stupid then |
| 10:47.55 | sep | quitte, ie you partition your drive into hda1 hda2 hdb1 hdb2 and make hda1 and hdb1 into md0 and hda2 and hdb2 into md1 |
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| 10:48.13 | sep | quitte, i think raid1 can perhaps do something like what you meantion but not any others |
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| 10:48.19 | kirz | weissi:If the switch support layer 7 , all CIFS connections can be split to 2 sites can it be posible |
| 10:48.30 | quitte | sep: it's raid5 |
| 10:49.14 | quitte | sep: wouldnt make sense to partition that way as i want to use lvm on it |
| 10:49.22 | weissi | kirz, with tcp, that can't work, because it's stateful and if the host gets two replies for one package it gets confused ;-) |
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| 10:50.48 | weissi | kirz, with udp this MIGHT work, depending on the software you use. but it can't be good ;-) |
| 10:52.22 | weissi | kirz, use unison if you want to sync a network fs |
| 10:52.26 | weissi | !unison |
| 10:52.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 10:52.36 | elirips | Hello. I have an entry for my device ath0 in my /etc/network/interfaces. While the machine is booting, the card doesn't receive a dhcpoffer from my router. as soon as it is booted, and i do an ifup, it gets an ip within one second. any ideas why its not working during booting? |
| 10:52.44 | elirips | I am using debian testing |
| 10:53.38 | weissi | elirips, modules are loaded? |
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| 10:54.15 | Arafangion | Hmm, I _still_ can't install Sun Java. |
| 10:54.29 | tarzeau | Arafangion: why not? |
| 10:54.35 | tarzeau | Arafangion: it was easy to install here, with java-package |
| 10:54.50 | Arafangion | tarzeau: It complains about missing plugins. |
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| 10:54.58 | quitte | so i got the lvs to be created. now i have / /usr /var. /home will be changed later. what other paths of the system make sense to be stored on their own volumes? |
| 10:55.48 | elirips | weissi if the modules wouldn't be loaded, ifup wouldn't try to bring up device ath0 |
| 10:56.24 | Arafangion | tarzeau: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SiGRIN69.html |
| 10:56.38 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Exact same error as I had last time with the ee version of java. |
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| 10:59.03 | quitte | /srv is new to me. what will be there? |
| 10:59.31 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I think I'll skip the fakeroot stuff and do it using checkinstall instead. |
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| 10:59.45 | tarzeau | Arafangion: i only use the runtime stuff |
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| 11:00.02 | tarzeau | Arafangion: our users need it for the browsers. and i for limewire. otherwise we use real languages for work here: |
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| 11:00.18 | tarzeau | c, c++, objective-c, fortran.... |
| 11:00.36 | Arafangion | tarzeau: The more I use C++, the more I like it. I'm a C99/Python guy myself. |
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| 11:01.08 | tarzeau | Arafangion: i don't like c++. i like objective-c and c |
| 11:01.31 | Arafangion | tarzeau: When you have the ability to use your own frameworks, imho I find C++ quite nice. |
| 11:01.41 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I have yet to use other people's frameworks with it, though. |
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| 11:04.48 | _Gandalf_ | anyone here knows how to map scancode 0x56 to keycode 125? i tried setkeycodes e056 125 but it didn't work :( |
| 11:05.00 | tarzeau | _Gandalf_: x or console? |
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| 11:05.09 | tarzeau | _Gandalf_: x86 computer i guess |
| 11:05.11 | _Gandalf_ | tarzeau: console |
| 11:05.16 | _Gandalf_ | tarzeau: yes |
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| 11:06.05 | jm_ | 2.6 input FAQ mentions some of that |
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| 11:06.24 | _Gandalf_ | tarzeau: the key (< >) on my french keyboard is broken (laptop) and i need to map the meta key to be less/greater |
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| 11:06.51 | zrin | what to do about "/init: 97: Syntax error: 0xto" while booting from CD made by bootcdwrite? |
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| 11:07.07 | _Gandalf_ | tarzeau: in X am using $(xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = less greater") and i want to find the equivalent in console |
| 11:07.09 | tarzeau | zrin: bootcdwrite? on windows or where? |
| 11:07.22 | tarzeau | zrin: what cd is that you burned? debian? |
| 11:07.27 | zrin | tarzeau: etch, 32 bit |
| 11:07.34 | tarzeau | _Gandalf_: i'm sure it's possible :) |
| 11:07.57 | _Gandalf_ | tarzeau: i know it's possible but u know how ? |
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| 11:08.12 | zrin | tarzeau: debian etch with 2.6.16, rather clean new install, just the base system |
| 11:08.13 | tarzeau | _Gandalf_: nope sorry |
| 11:08.14 | blaheva | in openbsd i use to use a program that would take text and create good looking ascii logos in different fonts, anyone know what it might of been called? (loking for it amongst the debian packages) |
| 11:08.26 | _Gandalf_ | tarzeau: thx |
| 11:08.28 | jm_ | blaheva: yes |
| 11:08.35 | _Gandalf_ | anyone else knows ?? |
| 11:08.49 | zrin | tarzeau: bootcdwrite is from package bootcd |
| 11:09.08 | blaheva | jm, what is it called? |
| 11:09.12 | jm_ | blaheva: try figlet |
| 11:09.13 | tarzeau | zrin: why not use cdrecord? |
| 11:09.21 | blaheva | figlet, yep that's it. thanks |
| 11:09.22 | tarzeau | blaheva: or cowsay |
| 11:09.26 | zrin | tarzeau: boot process looks good up to this syntax error |
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| 11:09.35 | Gnea | _Gandalf_: no, please don't use excessive question marks. if someone knows, they'll speak up. |
| 11:09.39 | blaheva | tks jm, tarzeau |
| 11:09.43 | zrin | tarzeau: I'm testing the image with vmware, I'm not burning it |
| 11:10.04 | tarzeau | zrin: the daily one? maybe it's a bug? |
| 11:10.20 | zrin | tarzeau: it's not the installer image |
| 11:10.21 | _Gandalf_ | Gnea: don't worry i'll wait :) and sorry for the marks it's just a habit to put 2 :$ |
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| 11:10.58 | Gnea | _Gandalf_: putting more than 1 will, more often than not, get you ignored by most :) |
| 11:10.58 | zrin | tarzeau: bootcd makes like live cd based on the current installation and specified kernel and initrd image |
| 11:11.09 | tarzeau | zrin: yes i know |
| 11:11.15 | tarzeau | zrin: i've used it also once. many years ago |
| 11:11.42 | zrin | tarzeau: I need it because I need patched kernel to access my SATA hardware, I'd like to have a rescue CD |
| 11:11.51 | _Gandalf_ | Gnea: thx for the advise :) |
| 11:12.19 | zrin | tarzeau: could you give me a hint where to look for the cause of that "syntax error" in init |
| 11:12.32 | tarzeau | zrin: really no idea |
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| 11:12.56 | jm_ | if you only need to boot with given kernel/initrd then you can use GRUB to make a bootable CD |
| 11:13.27 | Gnea | _Gandalf_: also a good idea to spell words correctly too - like 'thanks' instead of 'thx', as they will yield the same results, often with a negative reaction |
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| 11:13.35 | Gnea | _Gandalf_: but you are welcome |
| 11:13.49 | DebianTUX | hi. how do i donwgrade from sid to etch? |
| 11:13.49 | _Gandalf_ | Gnea: :) |
| 11:14.01 | Gnea | !downgrade |
| 11:14.01 | sep | !downgrade |
| 11:14.02 | dpkg | downgrade is probably not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 11:14.14 | DebianTUX | damnt |
| 11:14.24 | Gnea | reinstall |
| 11:14.32 | quitte | DebianTUX: in that case you could just switch to etch and wait until it is more current than sid at the moment |
| 11:14.53 | DebianTUX | Gnea no time for that. |
| 11:14.58 | jm_ | I was going to suggest that sep explains this concept yet again :) |
| 11:15.06 | Gnea | DebianTUX: what went wrong? |
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| 11:15.23 | DebianTUX | Gnea X doesnt work. i will explain. |
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| 11:15.37 | Gnea | DebianTUX: it works just fine here... |
| 11:15.44 | Gnea | and yes, i run unstable |
| 11:15.53 | nitalaut | hello everybody! |
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| 11:16.15 | DebianTUX | Gnea when i did the last upgrade, X crashd with a Segmentation Fault |
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| 11:16.47 | DebianTUX | i had already removed everything, and reinstalled, but nothing works |
| 11:17.10 | sep | DebianTUX, checked BTS? install your previsou versino from snapshot. |
| 11:17.26 | Gnea | DebianTUX: mkay, have you read the recent advisories for X in sid in the /topic? |
| 11:17.27 | sep | DebianTUX, next time check BTS _before_ upgrade. and put it on hold it it have bugs against it |
| 11:17.33 | Gnea | !bts |
| 11:17.33 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 11:18.15 | Gnea | DebianTUX: it's segfaulting for a reason - downgrading won't fix it, it'll just happen again sometime down the road |
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| 11:18.38 | DebianTUX | Gnea so, how do i install a previous version? |
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| 11:18.59 | sep | DebianTUX, you should be telling us. I am not the one running SID |
| 11:19.26 | Gnea | DebianTUX: you don't, and you shouldn't - you should fix the problem properly, please read http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 11:19.36 | nitalaut | Does someone know how to solve this problem: I moved to debian testing(just changed in /etc/apt/sources.list). After that i've installed some packages. Now i have some packages form stable version and the others from testing. I'd like to automaticaly remove all stable packages and download instead of them packages from testing version...I read man apt-get and there is nothing about such possibility...Is it possible anyway ? |
| 11:19.38 | elirips | Hi people. Is there a way to make debian bring up the network-devies later than it does now? Reason: My wireless-card seems not to be ready when ifup tries to bring it up -> i get no dhcpoffers. if i try from a konsole within kde everything works. |
| 11:19.53 | Gnea | DebianTUX: and http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 11:19.57 | nitalaut | Does someone know how to solve this problem: |
| 11:20.10 | nitalaut | I moved to debian testing(just changed in /etc/apt/sources.list). |
| 11:20.17 | Gnea | DebianTUX: go through *everyghing* there, and if it's still segfaulting, come on back |
| 11:20.20 | sep | nitalaut, use aptitude, and dist-upgrade |
| 11:20.25 | nitalaut | After that i've installed some packages. Now i have some packages form stable version and the others from testing. I'd like to automaticaly remove all stable packages and download instead of them packages from testing version...I read man apt-get and there is nothing about such possibility...Is it possible anyway ? |
| 11:20.30 | nitalaut | no sep |
| 11:20.35 | nitalaut | it doesn work |
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| 11:20.41 | nitalaut | i used it |
| 11:20.43 | sep | nitalaut,wfm |
| 11:20.52 | nitalaut | it works but not in the manner i need |
| 11:21.13 | nitalaut | i need all my stable packages to become testing |
| 11:21.25 | nitalaut | sorry for poor enslish... |
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| 11:21.33 | jm_ | it obviously won't work for packages that are not in testing |
| 11:21.42 | Gnea | nitalaut: why? |
| 11:21.44 | weissi | nitalaut, change sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:21.46 | nitalaut | so there is no wa y ?? |
| 11:21.50 | buck | hi |
| 11:21.52 | nitalaut | yes! |
| 11:21.56 | nitalaut | i did this |
| 11:22.00 | nitalaut | updated |
| 11:22.02 | nitalaut | and then |
| 11:22.09 | nitalaut | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 11:22.30 | fourat | hello |
| 11:22.39 | buck | how can I change the number of rows displayed on the shell from the installation cd? it's using more rows than it's showing onscreen |
| 11:22.39 | Gnea | nitalaut: try this: apt-get update && aptitude upgrade |
| 11:22.40 | nitalaut | after that i realised that some of the packages are steel stable |
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| 11:23.05 | jm_ | buck: on tty2 or what? |
| 11:23.06 | Gnea | nitalaut: that's why you should run upgrade first, then dist-upgrade |
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| 11:23.19 | nitalaut | Gnea..I don't see any difference but i'll try it now... |
| 11:23.30 | Gnea | nitalaut: there may or may not be |
| 11:23.30 | sep | nitalaut, perhaps there is no installation candidate use apt-cache policy packagename to check |
| 11:23.40 | nitalaut | hm |
| 11:23.40 | buck | jm_: tty2 I'm sure |
| 11:24.09 | jm_ | buck: check if it has stty utility |
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| 11:24.37 | MarcoPau | I need to open a graphic program from root, how do I enable it |
| 11:24.38 | MarcoPau | ? |
| 11:24.50 | Gnea | MarcoPau: from root? |
| 11:24.55 | MarcoPau | yes |
| 11:24.59 | buck | jm_: it doesn't |
| 11:24.59 | sep | MarcoPau, /msg dpkg sux |
| 11:25.01 | Gnea | what's that? |
| 11:25.08 | Gnea | root user or root directory? |
| 11:25.16 | weissi | MarcoPau, you are a user and need to start a root-prog to the user's desktop? |
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| 11:25.29 | MarcoPau | weissi: exactly |
| 11:25.38 | weissi | MarcoPau, sudo prog |
| 11:25.39 | Gnea | !tell MarcoPau about sux |
| 11:25.46 | fourat | am trying to install debian sarge 3.1r1 on my new Toshiba Satellite A100 laptop and it wont install, telling me : Linux kernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not available yet. Simply proceeding with the install may make these modules available later. The unavailable modules, and the devices that need them are: ide-scsi, ide-mod, ide-prob-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy. |
| 11:25.51 | honschu | Hi, I want to get a real good 3d-graphic-card with open-source-driver. Is this possible? |
| 11:26.08 | buck | honschu: no |
| 11:26.12 | Gnea | fourat: are you just hitting enter at the boot: prompt? |
| 11:26.21 | jm_ | buck: what does echo $COLUMNS $ROWS say? |
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| 11:26.30 | idP | hi |
| 11:26.42 | MarcoPau | thanks everyon |
| 11:26.42 | MarcoPau | e |
| 11:26.44 | honschu | buck: What kind of card do you use? |
| 11:26.47 | buck | jm_: nothing |
| 11:26.59 | buck | honschu: ATI, but I wish I had gone for nvidia |
| 11:27.04 | Gnea | honschu: not at all. you can get an nvidia and get a half-open-sourced driver that kicks some massive ass, or you can get an ATI radeon that has 100% open source code but slow and shitty support |
| 11:27.06 | idP | when I reboot, what directories get cleaned up ? and what logs get deleted ? |
| 11:27.15 | fourat | Gnea, expert26 |
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| 11:27.34 | Icebird | hello there, can someone help me with a mp3-player mounting problem? |
| 11:27.39 | weissi | idP, /tmp, /var/run and /var/lock |
| 11:27.39 | ChrisBradley | What's the new Debian Killer ap guys? |
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| 11:27.46 | Gnea | fourat: have you found the help files on the internet? |
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| 11:27.48 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 11:27.48 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 11:27.48 | jm_ | buck: what did kernel report when booting then? |
| 11:28.04 | Gnea | fourat: ^^^ those urls will have it |
| 11:28.04 | MarcoPau | Gnea: sux is working perfectly, thanks again |
| 11:28.04 | idP | when I reboot, what directories get cleaned up ? and what logs get deleted ? |
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| 11:28.12 | weissi | idP, /tmp, /var/run and /var/lock |
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| 11:28.19 | Gnea | MarcoPau: awesome, you're welcome |
| 11:28.22 | buck | jm_: I'm running the shell from the installation CD as I'm having trouble installing Debian to an external USB drive |
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| 11:28.56 | cyberix | What is the most restrictive license for a wallpaper to be included in Debian? |
| 11:29.00 | buck | installing Debian went fine, I just can't get it to boot even |
| 11:29.12 | Gnea | cyberix: it *HAS* to be GPL'd |
| 11:29.22 | idP | weissi : ok, i asked because i have a firewall app. named Firestarter and it sometimes keeps a list of active connections which are not.. but when I rebvoot, i see the list is refreshed.. so i am looking for this log , |
| 11:29.56 | cyberix | Gnea: The least restrictive CC license is not ok? |
| 11:29.56 | quitte | sigh. the stupid system installed and to my surprise grub was even installed on the disk the bios tries to boot. but now after it found all scsi disks it just sits there waiting forever. |
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| 11:30.17 | quitte | is root on lvm on raid even supported by etch d-i? |
| 11:30.23 | Gnea | cyberix: i'm not 100% sure, TBPO - however.... |
| 11:30.23 | tarzeau | cyberix: all of them suck |
| 11:30.33 | blaheva | help win |
| 11:30.33 | Gnea | !license |
| 11:30.34 | jm_ | buck: I know, but check what size kernel reports |
| 11:30.34 | dpkg | [license] intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free |
| 11:30.35 | weissi | idP, I don't know firestarter, but debian only removes these 3 directories. what the firestarter-init-scripts does, I don't know |
| 11:30.53 | tarzeau | Gnea: but if they can't make the license name clear enough it sucks |
| 11:31.01 | idP | weisi aha |
| 11:31.02 | quitte | ah. forever is over. ALERT! /dev/mapper/raid5-root dos not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 11:31.05 | idP | i got it now |
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| 11:31.31 | idP | thanx |
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| 11:32.15 | Gnea | cyberix: check this out: http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 11:32.18 | quitte | /proc/mdstat doesnt even exist in the initrd |
| 11:32.37 | Gnea | cyberix: and i was mistaken, it doesn't have to be only the GPL |
| 11:32.47 | tarzeau | Gnea: it's missing WTFPL |
| 11:32.55 | Gnea | tarzeau: lol |
| 11:33.10 | tarzeau | Gnea: debian HAS software packaged with the WTFPL in main |
| 11:33.26 | buck | jm_: you mean on boot up? |
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| 11:34.10 | Icebird | hello there, can someone help me with a mp3-player (usb Flash-ram and sd-card) mounting problem? |
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| 11:35.13 | orzel | hello. It seems my dhcp is started after the kernel actually creates 'eth0'. As such, dhcp doesn't work. I dont know how to fix that. I could change the order in /etc/rc2.d, but i dont know what is responsible for this line in /var/log/messages : |
| 11:35.15 | orzel | Apr 25 11:25:07 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 17 |
| 11:35.17 | tarzeau | Icebird: what filesystem? partitions? |
| 11:35.21 | tarzeau | Icebird: command? errormsg? |
| 11:35.59 | orzel | especially, i dont understand how init.d scripts can be executed _before_ the kernel initializes the ipv4 stack. |
| 11:36.04 | Icebird | oh sry im using knoppix/featherlinux, the usb flash-ram is mounted as sda1, but the sd-card in this player is not recognized |
| 11:36.07 | jm_ | buck: yup |
| 11:36.09 | Serinity | Hi everyone :) I have this issue: "psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost sync at byte 4" This message repeats a _LOT_ i tried too boot with acpi=off but the mouse didn't work anymore.... any idea please ? |
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| 11:36.14 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 11:36.14 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 11:36.17 | weissi | Icebird, let me bet: "it tells you about corrupt super block" |
| 11:36.17 | tarzeau | Icebird: oh sry this is #debian we can't help |
| 11:36.29 | Icebird | no it just dont mount |
| 11:36.37 | tarzeau | Icebird: we can't help |
| 11:36.39 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 11:36.40 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 11:36.42 | Icebird | it works under windows though |
| 11:36.47 | tarzeau | Gnea: someone deleted it |
| 11:36.50 | Icebird | i know dpkg |
| 11:36.52 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: did you find what !based on debian was? |
| 11:36.56 | tarzeau | Icebird: we can't help |
| 11:37.06 | jm_ | tarzeau: I can find it |
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| 11:37.13 | Icebird | why? its the same with debian... |
| 11:37.17 | tarzeau | jm_: thank you i'd love to store it in a textfile here |
| 11:37.24 | Gnea | it is? |
| 11:37.40 | tarzeau | Gnea: yes |
| 11:37.48 | Gnea | Icebird: wait - how do you know? you just said you're running knoppix.... |
| 11:37.52 | tarzeau | Gnea: i know it was useful. why would someone delete it? |
| 11:37.55 | Icebird | im must using knoppix on my drive now...but i have the same problem with debian...so... |
| 11:38.03 | Gnea | tarzeau: damnit, don't make me put you on /ignore |
| 11:38.20 | Gnea | tarzeau: what got deleted? |
| 11:38.29 | tarzeau | Gnea: !based on debian was deleted |
| 11:38.44 | Gnea | tarzeau: when? |
| 11:38.50 | tarzeau | Gnea: i don't know |
| 11:38.52 | weissi | Icebird, let me bet: it tells you about corrupt super block |
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| 11:39.00 | Gnea | tarzeau: i don't believe you |
| 11:39.07 | corny | I had an error message to the effect of "can't start X server". Then I was told that it turned off automatic loating of (forgot..xgi, dez, it had 3 letters) until I configure it right. What do I type |
| 11:39.12 | tarzeau | Gnea: well ask dpkg ... |
| 11:39.14 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 11:39.16 | Serinity | Hi everyone :) I have this issue: "psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost sync at byte 4" This message repeats a _LOT_ i tried too boot with acpi=off but the mouse didn't work anymore.... any idea please ? |
| 11:39.19 | tarzeau | !factinfo based on debian |
| 11:39.19 | dpkg | based on debian -- last modified at Tue Mar 14 03:04:48 2006 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu. |
| 11:39.26 | Icebird | weissi: no it works perfectly under...erm...other oses..but not under gentoo/debian/feather/knoppix |
| 11:39.35 | GutterPunk | Can anyone please give me a quick command to burn an MP3 dir on a cd in audio format? |
| 11:39.36 | Gnea | Icebird: are you using a provided kernel or your own compiled? |
| 11:39.45 | GutterPunk | Cause I just need it real quick for the road :) |
| 11:39.45 | Gnea | tarzeau: i still don't see the issue |
| 11:39.52 | Gnea | tarzeau: i had don change it |
| 11:39.54 | weissi | Icebird, ok, but what does `dmesg` tell you? |
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| 11:39.56 | corny | Serinity, you should put that on a timer |
| 11:40.06 | Serinity | On a timer ? |
| 11:40.10 | tarzeau | Gnea: why? |
| 11:40.12 | Icebird | debian and gentoo runs my kernel |
| 11:40.16 | tarzeau | Icebird: somebody said based on debian was Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't rgue/complain or demand support |
| 11:41.00 | Gnea | tarzeau: because people kept getting frustrated, pissed off and banned, resulting in less people being helped and the channel being thrown into convultions of chaos and unintelligence which were simply not necessary. :) |
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| 11:41.22 | tarzeau | Gnea: no problem i can keep copy pasting it |
| 11:41.26 | buck | has anyone seen my chicken? |
| 11:41.45 | tarzeau | buck: did it eat my spiral? |
| 11:41.48 | corny | ..Can anyone tell me how to configure X server after the installer is finished? |
| 11:41.55 | Icebird | tarzeau: ok im sorry about that |
| 11:41.55 | tarzeau | corny: which version of it? |
| 11:41.58 | jm_ | corny: yes |
| 11:42.03 | buck | tarzeau: no idea, it was last seen running off with my debian install cd |
| 11:42.12 | tarzeau | buck: i can't find my sheep |
| 11:42.14 | Gnea | tarzeau: please, stick with the current definition, it's that way for a reason. |
| 11:42.25 | Gnea | buck: i ate it |
| 11:42.29 | buck | :( |
| 11:42.31 | tarzeau | Gnea: there's no definitaion anymore is there? |
| 11:42.45 | Gnea | !drxx |
| 11:42.46 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 11:43.02 | corny | tarzeau: I'm sorry, I don't know, and I don't know how to find out. |
| 11:43.04 | Gnea | !tell tarzeau about based on debian |
| 11:43.15 | tarzeau | Gnea: nothing... |
| 11:43.29 | Gnea | tarzeau: check your /ignore options, is dpkg on that list? |
| 11:43.30 | action09 | !tell action09 about based on debian |
| 11:43.40 | tarzeau | Gnea: ohhhh UBUNTU is in the line? |
| 11:43.51 | tarzeau | i've got all lines with ubuntu on ignore |
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| 11:44.16 | Gnea | tarzeau: you fool :) |
| 11:44.21 | tarzeau | ubuntu in all variations of typos |
| 11:44.31 | tarzeau | Gnea: that must be the reason why i'm so happy since 3 months |
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| 11:44.50 | Gnea | see kids, don't be too ignorant, or you'll end up like tarzeau ;) |
| 11:44.54 | corny | Gnea, I suppose that !drxx was for me? |
| 11:45.01 | Gnea | corny: yup |
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| 11:45.43 | corny | I hate corny! My nick is notaction but mysteriously that name is registered... |
| 11:46.13 | Gnea | heh... |
| 11:46.33 | corny | what is dpkg for, and why is the trigger drxx? |
| 11:46.43 | weissi | !dpkg |
| 11:46.43 | dpkg | [dpkg] I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
| 11:47.00 | blondie | tarzeau: ago |
| 11:47.09 | weissi | !what are you |
| 11:47.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 11:47.12 | sep | that's a lie i have long and meening ful conversations with dpkg in msg |
| 11:47.14 | sep | !! |
| 11:47.14 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 11:47.16 | Gnea | corny: someone set the trigger to that |
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| 11:47.28 | weissi | sep, ahh you too :-)) |
| 11:47.33 | illsci | how can I purge these two packages with dpkg |
| 11:47.35 | illsci | ii postgresql-client 49 manager for multiple PostgreSQL client versions |
| 11:47.35 | illsci | pi postgresql-common 49 manager for PostgreSQL database clusters |
| 11:47.43 | tarzeau | blondie: ago? |
| 11:47.46 | Gnea | illsci: dpkg --purge |
| 11:47.47 | illsci | dpkg -P postgresql-client doenst work |
| 11:47.48 | sep | illsci, dpkg -P packagename |
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| 11:47.57 | illsci | yeah im trying to figure out what the real package name is |
| 11:47.59 | blondie | tarzeau: "since" requires a point in time, not a length of time :P |
| 11:48.05 | illsci | its obviously not postgresql-client |
| 11:48.13 | sep | illsci, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -la | grep postgre |
| 11:48.28 | Gnea | illsci: uhm, yeah, that's the real packagename - what makes you think it's not working? |
| 11:48.40 | tarzeau | blondie: heh, ok :) |
| 11:48.44 | illsci | thanks sep ill try it |
| 11:48.57 | Gnea | blondie: good morning :) |
| 11:48.59 | illsci | Gnea because it wasnt |
| 11:48.59 | blondie | hi |
| 11:49.03 | illsci | thanks sep ! |
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| 11:49.30 | Gnea | illsci: i don't react well to vagueness. |
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| 11:49.52 | illsci | whatever |
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| 11:50.44 | s3g | hello people. I am gentoo user, and I am looking for a distro to migrate to. how does debian behave on amd64 platform??? |
| 11:51.21 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 11:51.21 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 11:51.31 | Gnea | s3g: pretty well, although it can be tricky at times |
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| 11:51.46 | GoAuLd | Gnea why you want to migrate? |
| 11:52.00 | s3g | well, I am on gentoo, but it is pain in the ass. takes too much time to maintain, and i am getting older person |
| 11:52.03 | _Gandalf_ | tarzeau: For info it's $(echo "keycode 115 = less greater" | loadkeys) Thx to google ;) |
| 11:52.12 | GoAuLd | all right |
| 11:52.14 | s3g | I tried redhat fedora, errmmm. but that is kinda lame |
| 11:52.22 | s3g | can't even mess with kernel |
| 11:52.46 | s3g | i need something with good package support, but yet, i must be able to manipulate the system like in slackware |
| 11:53.37 | tarzeau | _Gandalf_: very cool, i'll write it down |
| 11:53.48 | RvGaTe | Yo people, I have completely 0.0 knowledge about a windows network... i have a linux server in a windows domain envirement, how do i add this box into the domain, what do i need to do on my domain controller, and what do i need to do on my linux? |
| 11:54.07 | Gallo-7 | scusate ho un problemino con debian.. |
| 11:54.07 | Gallo-7 | non riesco a spegnerlo tramite tasto termina sessione |
| 11:54.08 | Gallo-7 | qualcuno mi sa dire al comendo per farlo dalla barra di comando? |
| 11:54.21 | Gnea | s3g: give it a shot and see how you like it |
| 11:54.30 | streuner | !it |
| 11:54.31 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 11:54.48 | GoAuLd | s3g, debian is easy to maintain and "manipulate" but no xgl here yet :-( |
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| 11:55.22 | Joe7 | hi |
| 11:55.56 | Joe7 | how to find out if deb has support for an iteraid chipse? (gigaraid) |
| 11:56.00 | Gallo-7 | grazie mille per il canale.. |
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| 11:56.35 | jm_ | Joe7: does Linux kernel support it? |
| 11:56.53 | Joe7 | jm_: i guess it's what i dunno ;) |
| 11:57.32 | RvGaTe | Yo people, I have completely 0.0 knowledge about a windows network... i have a linux server in a windows domain envirement, how do i add this box into the domain, what do i need to do on my domain controller, and what do i need to do on my linux? |
| 11:57.34 | jm_ | Joe7: is that all you know about it? |
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| 11:57.59 | Joe7 | about the chipset? |
| 11:58.05 | jm_ | well yes |
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| 11:58.13 | jerware | fellaz |
| 11:58.41 | Joe7 | it's a gigaRaid IT8212. that's all |
| 11:58.58 | jm_ | is it SCSI/IDE/SATA? |
| 11:59.04 | Joe7 | ide |
| 11:59.09 | yalu | anyone who uses partimage? |
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| 11:59.43 | yalu | I have trouble logging in |
| 11:59.55 | jm_ | I can see it821x.c |
| 12:00.10 | yalu | partimage complains my user name/password is incorrect but I am absolutely sure it isn't |
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| 12:00.53 | Joe7 | jm_: sounds good. |
| 12:02.43 | DebianTUX | cool. now, x starts, doesnt crash, but there is only a black screen :-\ |
| 12:03.31 | Gnea | DebianTUX: what do the logs say? |
| 12:03.33 | Joe7 | jm_: found it, thanks |
| 12:04.32 | DebianTUX | Gnea in the end a few words abou fonts, but no errors |
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| 12:05.03 | Gnea | DebianTUX: what video card? |
| 12:05.14 | DebianTUX | Gnea nvidia, but using driver vesa |
| 12:05.44 | DebianTUX | Gnea oh! with driver NV works! |
| 12:05.50 | Gnea | DebianTUX: you should use the proper nvidia driver. |
| 12:05.53 | Gnea | ah |
| 12:05.56 | DebianTUX | Gnea thanks! |
| 12:05.58 | Gnea | ok |
| 12:06.06 | Gnea | see, you didn't have to downgrade :) |
| 12:06.08 | DebianTUX | Gnea using xserver-xorg 6.9.0 |
| 12:06.09 | Gnea | no problem |
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| 12:07.03 | DebianTUX | Gnea thanks. now i need to go for the work time i lost |
| 12:07.06 | DebianTUX | :-) |
| 12:07.24 | Gnea | later |
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| 12:11.50 | bliss1__ | hello |
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| 12:15.47 | bliss1__ | I have just insatalled some kernel-headers for my kernel 2.6.8-3-686 but when i look in /usr/src there are three directories a)kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 b)kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 c)kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 which should be removed? |
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| 12:19.03 | tuv | how do i choose to use yaird instead of initramfs-tools when installing a new linux-image? |
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| 12:19.20 | Gnea | don't install initramfs-tools |
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| 12:19.33 | ggeecko | anyone here use nagios? |
| 12:20.01 | tuv | Gnea, any advantage of either of the other? |
| 12:20.25 | fourat | sarge 3.1r1 netinstall cd havent ide-mod and ide-probe-mod modules ? |
| 12:20.43 | Gnea | tuv: dunno, i don't use initial ramdisks |
| 12:21.10 | tuv | Gnea, so you don't use debian kernels? |
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| 12:22.10 | tuv | got to reboot |
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| 12:22.25 | Gnea | tuv: no, i build my own using make-kpkg |
| 12:23.14 | fourat | sarge 3.1r1 netinstall cd havent ide-mod and ide-probe-mod modules ? |
| 12:24.06 | Gnea | is that with linux26? |
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| 12:24.53 | wireddd | I have been trying for a couple of days to get the 2.6.16 kernel to work with etch, currently I am using 2.6.12 without issue but I want to upgrade. The problem I have with 2.6.16 is that my second video card looks all messed up when X loads. Anyone have any ideas on how I can figure out what is causing this? |
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| 12:25.43 | pindahoonmain | which is the best rss reader on gnome desktop? |
| 12:25.44 | fourat | Gnea, with expert26, shell, i do modprobe ide-mod and it prints : FATL: Module ide-mod not found |
| 12:26.18 | Gnea | fourat: i didn't ask about expert26, i asked about linux26 |
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| 12:27.26 | Gnea | fourat: what's the configuration directive for ide-mod anyway? |
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| 12:27.37 | fourat | Gnea, sorry, should i retry with linux26 ? |
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| 12:28.15 | fourat | no directives, just probing it |
| 12:28.25 | fourat | the module doesnt seem to exist |
| 12:28.30 | Gnea | in kernel .config? |
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| 12:28.57 | fourat | Gnea, how can i verify that ? |
| 12:29.39 | Gnea | fourat: the running kernel will usually have some sort of /boot/config-<version> file |
| 12:29.49 | Gnea | you'll need to line it up and make sure it matches |
| 12:29.54 | Gnea | it could be named something else |
| 12:29.59 | Gnea | or maybe it's built into the kernel |
| 12:30.28 | Gnea | and since you didn't try linux26, i have no way of knowing if your hardware is at fault or not |
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| 12:31.18 | Gnea | at any rate, i gotta get to bed |
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| 12:31.41 | fourat | Gnea, in shell mode (linux26) i have no /boot folder in my / |
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| 12:41.30 | illsci | does anyone here run postgresql? I was wondering what the debian way is to get the startup scripts to run a database that you created in some other directory like /home/db instead of the default of running the database in /var/lib/postgresql-8.1/main |
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| 12:41.57 | illsci | i was looking around /etc/postgresql but I couldnt find the setting to fix so that /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 starts up the database I want |
| 12:43.05 | mimikos | hi, this is probably a stupid question. But we newbies sometimes to this :-). Can dpkg adapt into the apt-sources archive and automatically download depends? Is there some other way to install a local file and automatically resolve depends? |
| 12:43.07 | mimikos | thanks |
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| 12:43.53 | buffoon | mimikos: no, dpkg isn't able to do this... you should use apt-get instead |
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| 12:44.58 | mimikos | buffoon, thanks for answering. Problem is that I need to install a file from my hd. It;s not available from apt. |
| 12:45.18 | mimikos | buffoon, can apt-get install from a local file? |
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| 12:46.11 | buffoon | mimikos: ah, then you can do a "dpkg -i thepackage.deb" and look which packages are needed. those packages you should be able to install through apt |
| 12:46.41 | azeem | buffoon: dpkg -I rather, I guess |
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| 12:47.24 | arun3333 | hello room |
| 12:47.27 | azeem | mimikos: one thing you can (but which is unsupported, and might break) is to install the .deb manually via dpkg -i <deb> and then run apt-get -f install, hoping that apt will clean up after you |
| 12:47.31 | azeem | arun3333: it's a chan, not a room |
| 12:47.35 | arun3333 | i want to install the basic version of debian |
| 12:47.41 | azeem | arun3333: cool! |
| 12:47.50 | mimikos | buffoon, I would like that to be automagically. But if it can't be done.... It can't be done. Would be nice though |
| 12:48.00 | arun3333 | is it enough download images of cd1&2 |
| 12:48.06 | azeem | arun3333: yes |
| 12:48.20 | azeem | arun3333: do you have internet access from your new Debian install? |
| 12:48.28 | azeem | then just downloading the netinst ISO would be enough |
| 12:48.32 | azeem | or CD1 |
| 12:48.36 | action09 | arun3333 you're welcome \0/ install stable (sarge) and stay with it first (old but less problems) |
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| 12:48.53 | buffoon | mimikos: try azeem's steps, they look like a good idea |
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| 12:49.32 | arun3333 | i cannot install debian from the net |
| 12:49.47 | arun3333 | i'll have to download it burn it and then use it |
| 12:50.08 | azeem | arun3333: ok |
| 12:50.15 | azeem | CD1&2 should get you started nicely then |
| 12:50.24 | Serinity | Allright, it comes up that my damn F*** laptop has a synaptic mouse which has problems you can see here: http://pastebin.com/680839 I googled to death but nothing went the right way.... anyone please ? |
| 12:50.30 | arun3333 | so its enough if i get cd 1 n 2 |
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| 12:51.18 | Roey | hello, what package includes 'make2fs'? http://rafb.net/paste/results/CyGmCz32.html |
| 12:51.35 | Roey | I can't upgrade to a newer kernel because this system lacks it. |
| 12:51.39 | azeem | Roey: packages.debian.org has a search box for that (at the bottom) |
| 12:51.40 | jethro | Roey: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:51.42 | mimikos | well thanks all. |
| 12:51.57 | Roey | azeem, jethro: apt-cache search turned up nothing.. |
| 12:52.01 | Roey | that's why I came here ;) |
| 12:52.13 | arun3333 | azeem:y no reply |
| 12:52.17 | azeem | arun3333: ? |
| 12:52.27 | jethro | Roey: there are other ways to search things |
| 12:52.28 | azeem | Roey: it's not apt-cache search |
| 12:52.28 | jm_ | dpkg's search factoid mentions more options, not just apt-cache, at least read it |
| 12:52.36 | jethro | Roey: /msg dpkg search will tell you |
| 12:52.40 | Roey | jethro: ok thanks. |
| 12:52.42 | jethro | *shrug* |
| 12:52.43 | azeem | arun3333: I told you: 14:44 < azeem> CD1&2 should get you started nicely then |
| 12:53.01 | buffoon | Serinity: did you try to install the kernel image 2.6.8? |
| 12:53.15 | buffoon | it did help on much laptops of my class mates |
| 12:53.38 | Roey | jethro: doh, mkext2fs didn't show up in a dpkg search. |
| 12:53.40 | Roey | either. |
| 12:53.57 | jethro | Roey: it's called mkfs.ext2 as far as I remember |
| 12:53.59 | LooseSpark | Does anyone else here have problems with the Debian Firefox hanging regularly? Even in safe mode! |
| 12:54.00 | jelly-ho | Roey: it's called mke2fs |
| 12:54.05 | Roey | hmm. |
| 12:54.10 | jelly-ho | either. |
| 12:54.20 | Roey | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: line 1: mkext2fs: command not found |
| 12:54.22 | azeem | Roey: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 12:54.30 | Roey | look at what I pasted: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CyGmCz32.html |
| 12:54.34 | Roey | I'm on Debian Sarge. |
| 12:54.35 | alch0405 | Roey, try this http://tinyurl.com/mysn8 |
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| 12:54.50 | Serinity | buffoon, i run 2.6.8 |
| 12:54.57 | arun3333 | azeem:what is 14:44 |
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| 12:55.00 | alch0405 | Roey, it looks like a similar problem |
| 12:55.04 | azeem | arun3333: it was a quote |
| 12:55.12 | jelly-ho | Roey: that's one botched script. mkext2fs is probably some internal function... |
| 12:55.29 | arun3333 | azeem:thanks |
| 12:55.34 | buffoon | Serinity: I'm sorry, i can't help you then... |
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| 12:55.46 | Roey | jelly-ho: well it's supposed to be a normal executable file. |
| 12:55.57 | Roey | alch0405: thanks. I wish it contained a fix ;) |
| 12:56.07 | Roey | alch0405: and it's from 2004, so it's weird that I encounter this now. |
| 12:56.12 | Roey | of all times. |
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| 12:56.14 | alch0405 | Roey, yeah - but at least you know you aren't alone ;) |
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| 12:56.45 | Roey | alch0405: thank you :) |
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| 12:56.53 | jelly-ho | Roey: an executable or a sh function, if that's a sh script. |
| 12:57.07 | Roey | I do not know |
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| 12:57.17 | azeem | Roey: do you have some non-standard apt sources in sources.list? |
| 12:57.35 | azeem | Roey: well, inspect /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 12:57.38 | alch0405 | Roey, looks like a bug was filed at one point. i'm looking to see if it was ever resolved |
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| 12:58.34 | jelly-ho | Roey: take a look at /usr/sbin/mkinitrd, it begins with #!/bin/sh here. |
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| 13:00.13 | Serinity | crap |
| 13:00.19 | hjubal | hi |
| 13:00.35 | alch0405 | Roey, the bug is was looking at with similar output is backed as done in late 2004 |
| 13:00.40 | alch0405 | *marked |
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| 13:01.02 | rexthedog | hey |
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| 13:01.20 | azeem | Roey: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say? |
| 13:01.26 | jsmidt | What section should a text editor go under? |
| 13:01.36 | tarzeau | jsmidt: x or not? |
| 13:01.38 | rexthedog | i need the php binary, ive installed php4 but it doesnt seem to come with the package, can anyone tell me what i need to install to get the php binary itself? |
| 13:01.39 | jsmidt | x |
| 13:01.45 | Roey | azeem: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 13:01.45 | tarzeau | jsmidt: which gui toolkit? |
| 13:01.53 | tarzeau | jsmidt: put it into x11 |
| 13:01.54 | azeem | 22sa? |
| 13:02.02 | Roey | azeI don't know? |
| 13:02.10 | Roey | azeem: I don't know? |
| 13:02.10 | azeem | Roey: are you running Debian or something else? |
| 13:02.11 | tarzeau | jsmidt: err there's an editors section |
| 13:02.15 | Roey | azeem: Debian Sarge. |
| 13:02.19 | FabParmaITA | I would like to create gateway for a LAN that works as proxy or proxy chain to protect the lan privacy. Have you idea if there is something like that aroun the world? ;) |
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| 13:02.26 | alexey__ | hi all ! |
| 13:02.27 | azeem | Roey: please paste the content of /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin |
| 13:02.29 | azeem | !paster |
| 13:02.29 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 13:02.35 | azeem | Roey: did you install the box yourself? |
| 13:02.39 | alexey__ | Is Debian LSB certified ? |
| 13:02.50 | zrin | Roey: if you want a new 2.6 kernel try mkinitramfs instead of mkinitrd |
| 13:02.51 | azeem | alexey__: no, but it is pretty much LSB compatible |
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| 13:03.10 | alexey__ | OK, how the RPM requirement is handled ? |
| 13:03.24 | azeem | RPM requirement? |
| 13:03.28 | azeem | there is alien |
| 13:03.36 | alexey__ | Yes, it's included in LSB specification. |
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| 13:03.51 | Roey | azeem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/g4fOSa40.html |
| 13:04.08 | Roey | alexey__: alexey? |
| 13:04.13 | Roey | alexey__: alexeyt?? |
| 13:04.25 | alexey__ | what ? |
| 13:04.35 | Roey | ah |
| 13:04.39 | Roey | alexey__: mishehu acher sorry |
| 13:05.02 | alexey__ | Roey: ani yodea ivrit |
| 13:05.03 | azeem | Roey: what does dpkg -l initrd-tools | tail -1 say? |
| 13:05.09 | Roey | azeem: yes I did install it by msyelf. |
| 13:05.10 | Roey | one sec. |
| 13:05.11 | azeem | alexey__, Roey: please talk english in here |
| 13:05.21 | alexey__ | azeem: agreed |
| 13:05.24 | Roey | ii initrd-tools 0.1.81.1 tools to create initrd image for prepackaged |
| 13:05.28 | Roey | azeem: it's been installed |
| 13:05.31 | Roey | (I checked previously) |
| 13:05.43 | azeem | Roey: ok, I've no idea what is going wrong there |
| 13:05.47 | Roey | hehe |
| 13:05.48 | Roey | ok |
| 13:05.58 | Roey | alexey__: heh, just noticed y ou were on Bezeq's network. |
| 13:06.02 | alexey__ | azeem: how the RPM requirement is handled ? it's included in LSB specification. |
| 13:06.08 | zrin | Roey: did you try to use mkinitramfs? |
| 13:06.08 | azeem | alexey__: there is alien |
| 13:06.21 | alexey__ | what is it ? |
| 13:06.27 | alexey__ | link plz |
| 13:06.30 | Roey | zrin: mkinitramfs. Is this part of yaird by any chance? |
| 13:06.36 | azeem | alexey__: http://packages.debian.org/alien |
| 13:06.39 | Roey | zrin: all the other boxes (sid ones) of mine use mkinitramfs.. |
| 13:06.44 | zrin | Roey: no, it's in initrd-tools |
| 13:06.48 | Roey | zrin: how can I switch over to that then? |
| 13:07.10 | FabParmaITA | !iptables |
| 13:07.10 | dpkg | hmm... iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 13:07.27 | zrin | Roey: just cd to /boot and mkinitramfs -o initrd-<version> <version> |
| 13:07.30 | jelly-ho | Roey, azeem: have you established there's nothing wrong with the actual mkinitrd binary? |
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| 13:07.53 | Roey | jelly-ho: no, I have not. |
| 13:08.11 | FabParmaITA | !ipchains |
| 13:08.11 | dpkg | i guess ipchains is a rewrite of the Linux IPv4 firewalling code (which was mainly borrowed from BSD) and a rewrite of ipfwadm, which was a rewrite of BSD's ipfw, I believe. It is required to administer the IP packet filters in Linux kernel versions 2.1.102 and above. or Which is surpassed in kernel 2.3 (and 2.4 when released) by netfilter, which you can get and compile at netfilter.kernelnotes.org, or a regular in the channel |
| 13:08.12 | jelly-ho | Roey: something might have overwritten it, what does it look like? |
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| 13:08.22 | bengrubb | is there a newer version of debian than: debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:08.23 | alexey__ | azeem: ahh - Alien is a package converter... OK. |
| 13:08.26 | Roey | how about this; I'll give ya my md5sum. |
| 13:08.31 | azeem | bengrubb: yes |
| 13:08.38 | azeem | bengrubb: it's 3.1r2 now |
| 13:08.42 | bengrubb | azeem ooo |
| 13:08.43 | zrin | Roey: I couldn't get 2.6.16 to boot until I used mkinitramfs, it has sth. to do with udev, but I did not have time to investigate |
| 13:08.45 | bengrubb | omg yay |
| 13:08.46 | bengrubb | heh |
| 13:08.56 | bengrubb | must have been lateley |
| 13:08.59 | azeem | yes |
| 13:09.07 | bengrubb | i downloaded mine like 3 weeks ago |
| 13:09.10 | azeem | (but r1 was released quite a while ago) |
| 13:09.17 | bengrubb | ok |
| 13:09.29 | bengrubb | any big differences besides security |
| 13:09.39 | jelly-ho | Roey: view its contents in a pager, error in line 1 sounds like it might be garbled. |
| 13:10.07 | azeem | bengrubb: see the debian-announce mailing list for the point release announcements |
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| 13:10.15 | bengrubb | yerp i will |
| 13:10.18 | Roey | jelly-ho: the script looks perfectly fine. |
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| 13:10.53 | FabParmaITA | !netfilter docs |
| 13:10.53 | dpkg | netfilter docs are at /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/ or http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/ or http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ or at http://netfilter.samba.org/ |
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| 13:11.02 | azeem | FabParmaITA: please /msg the bot |
| 13:11.20 | [4-tea-2] | hi folks, i seem to have a problem with mime types on my Debian/etch system. |
| 13:11.28 | bengrubb | Can anyone recommend to me a better control panel than VHCS and ISPconfig ? I have VHCS, haven’t tried ISPconfig yet, any good ? |
| 13:11.31 | jelly-ho | Roey: I suppose you could add an "set -x " to the beginning of /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.8-whatever.postinst, then do dpkg --configure -a and see how it exactly fails. |
| 13:11.33 | [4-tea-2] | Whenever i double-click an .avi video in Nautilus, a warning dialog tells me about a difference between the file ending suggesting an "avi-Dokument" (German localization) and the content suggesting an "AVI-Video". |
| 13:11.38 | [4-tea-2] | any idea what could be causing this confusion? |
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| 13:11.47 | FabParmaITA | azeem: how to do? |
| 13:11.53 | azeem | FabParmaITA: /msg dpkg foo |
| 13:12.16 | FabParmaITA | azeem: ok |
| 13:12.20 | Roey | jelly-ho: ok |
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| 13:12.41 | Roey | jelly-ho: ack! I just remmebered that I installed this using Kanotix back in the day. |
| 13:12.57 | Roey | jelly-ho: and that I had 'downgraded' back to Debian Proper. |
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| 13:14.33 | bykte | any good utility for verify the CRC of a file? |
| 13:14.41 | bobw | can someone tell me the best way to count the occurance of a character, all the characters are on one line so grep and wc wont work |
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| 13:16.00 | [4-tea-2] | bykte: cksfv? |
| 13:16.53 | [4-tea-2] | bobw, split the line into single chars, then sort | uniq -c, perhaps? |
| 13:17.29 | jm_ | bykte: cfv |
| 13:17.50 | bykte | jm_, is this how the -t params work? |
| 13:17.52 | bykte | cfv -t crc *.avi |
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| 13:18.10 | bykte | i tried -t=crc -t <crc< -t crc |
| 13:18.10 | jm_ | bykte: to generate or verify it? |
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| 13:18.19 | bykte | erm generate the CRC .. |
| 13:18.27 | jm_ | no that's not OK, look at -C |
| 13:18.36 | bobw | [4-tea-2], ok, whats the best way to split it into single characters, tr? |
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| 13:19.48 | rohan | previously on my install of debian sid, my sound level used to be restored over reboots, not anymore. am i missing something |
| 13:20.03 | bykte | ah thanks jm_ it worked |
| 13:20.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:20.21 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:21.33 | [4-tea-2] | bobw: echo ahdfsjhdafjkhakjdsfhkajhfdk | sed -e 's/\(.\)/\1\n/g'| sort | uniq -c |
| 13:22.36 | [4-tea-2] | not sure whether that's "the best way", but it should work. |
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| 13:23.16 | rohan | also, i have the problem S50 and K50 as mentioned in the alsa-utils script |
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| 13:23.36 | lehel | hello |
| 13:24.02 | lehel | where do i look for a documentation or smthg like that to create a mailing list? |
| 13:24.04 | [4-tea-2] | rohan, do you have the package 'alsa-utils' installed? |
| 13:24.14 | rohan | [4-tea-2]: yes |
| 13:24.31 | rohan | alsa-utils is already the newest version. |
| 13:24.31 | rohan | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 13:25.19 | lehel | *mailing list with postfix [?] |
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| 13:26.39 | [4-tea-2] | rohan: I would try 'update-rc.d -f alsa-utils remove; update-rc.d alsa-utils defaults' or 'apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils' |
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| 13:27.11 | rohan | [4-tea-2]: ok, trying |
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| 13:27.20 | [4-tea-2] | rohan, good luck |
| 13:27.22 | rohan | [4-tea-2]: ty :) |
| 13:27.24 | lehel | where do i look for a documentation to create a mailing list? [postfix] |
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| 13:27.48 | jethro | lehel: #postfix? |
| 13:27.57 | lehel | k |
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| 13:28.04 | jethro | retard.. |
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| 13:28.27 | dimir | :-D |
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| 13:32.13 | thegve | Hello... I've got a "quick opinion" question. I had a nice running server for a few days, was configuring ldap, and suddenly it fails on "INIT LOADING", before going into the runlevel. It gives an "Asking for cache data failed", but that doesn't seem serious when googling that out.. Mounting the partition in damn small linux (over PXE) works, but when I try to chroot it hangs. Is this hardware or software? |
| 13:32.24 | thegve | it tasts like hardware to me |
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| 13:36.05 | wireddd | goodbye |
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| 13:36.05 | slushpupie | bad herbert! |
| 13:36.06 | wireddd | you have to be carefull not to trip over those ethernet cables |
| 13:36.06 | slushpupie | or the power cables |
| 13:36.09 | thegve | lol |
| 13:36.09 | thegve | what whas that? |
| 13:36.09 | thegve | not really an experienced IRC user |
| 13:36.09 | thegve | is that common? |
| 13:36.10 | wireddd | it is called a netsplit |
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| 13:36.16 | slushpupie | its not common- well, not common on most networks |
| 13:36.24 | slushpupie | this one gets more than its fair share |
| 13:36.30 | |SkuN|`Aw | =) |
| 13:36.33 | wireddd | it happens when one irc server can't talk to another |
| 13:36.36 | bobw | [4-tea-2], are you still there? |
| 13:36.41 | [4-tea-2] | bobw: aye |
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| 13:37.40 | wireddd | welcome back |
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| 13:37.56 | thegve | Hello... I've got a "quick opinion" question. I had a nice running server for a few days, was configuring ldap, and suddenly it fails on "INIT LOADING", before going into the runlevel. It gives an "Asking for cache data failed", but that doesn't seem serious when googling that out.. Mounting the partition in damn small linux (over PXE) works, but when I try to chroot it hangs. Is this hardware or software? |
| 13:37.56 | thegve | [14:20] <thegve> it tasts like hardware to me |
| 13:37.58 | thegve | i'll repost it if you don't mind |
| 13:38.08 | thegve | at least at my side the screen was a bit.... "full" |
| 13:38.08 | Roey | hi |
| 13:38.17 | Roey | how do I tell if I'm booting off LILO or GRUB? |
| 13:38.32 | thegve | see if you 've got a /boot/grub directory |
| 13:38.33 | [4-tea-2] | Roey: by booting? *g |
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| 13:38.38 | bengrubb | aaaaahhhhhhh |
| 13:38.38 | bengrubb | all at once... |
| 13:38.38 | ftsac | :o |
| 13:38.38 | LordNazgul | and they're all back |
| 13:38.41 | thegve | or something with lilo or so in /boot |
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| 13:38.49 | Roey | thegve: well I have both /boot/grub and /etc/lilo.conf. |
| 13:38.51 | stew | Roey: "head /dev/hda | strings | egrep -i grub\|lilo" |
| 13:39.00 | bengrubb | all at once how strange.. |
| 13:39.01 | bengrubb | just like bots |
| 13:39.02 | thegve | a normal recent debian machine uses grub |
| 13:39.04 | LordNazgul | bengrubb it happens every now and then, although there usually arent so many on one server |
| 13:39.04 | bengrubb | and then there is karl... |
| 13:39.10 | Roey | LILO |
| 13:39.11 | bobw | [4-tea-2], i found a better way in case you wanted to note it, cat file | tr -cs '@' '[\n*]' |
| 13:39.13 | thegve | change titles in lilo /grub configs |
| 13:39.15 | thegve | for boot options |
| 13:39.17 | thegve | and boot |
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| 13:39.19 | bengrubb | someone tripped over a cord,, |
| 13:39.23 | Roey | stew: you people are infinitely useful, I would have never thought of that, thanks :) |
| 13:39.26 | [4-tea-2] | bobw: excellent, thanks |
| 13:39.50 | bobw | [4-tea-2], thank you |
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| 13:44.17 | [4-tea-2] | i seem to have a problem with mime types on my Debian/etch system... whenever i double-click an .avi video in Nautilus, a warning dialog tells me about a difference between the file ending suggesting an "avi-Dokument" (German localization) and the content suggesting an "AVI-Video". any idea what could be causing this confusion? |
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| 13:46.35 | bloo_sky | which program do I need to get a list of all IP numbers in use on my network? |
| 13:46.57 | rohan | can someone on sid check whether /etc/asound.state is created, after you remove it once ? please check, strace'ing gives errors about setuid root |
| 13:47.09 | thegve | bloo_sky: ping -b networkaddress |
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| 13:47.19 | thegve | ping -b 192.168.2.0 for example |
| 13:47.25 | rohan | or, better still, just do "strace alsactl store" |
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| 13:47.57 | bloo_sky | thegve, -b isn't an option to my ping |
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| 13:48.19 | thegve | what OS? debian should have |
| 13:48.26 | thegve | broadcast ping |
| 13:48.27 | bloo_sky | stable |
| 13:48.34 | bloo_sky | debian, stable, even |
| 13:48.37 | thegve | strange... |
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| 13:49.22 | jair | what will be the best way to redirect one router with few features to another router with more capabilities without have to remove any of them? |
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| 13:50.03 | thegve | I have a debian stable here under SSH, and it executes a ping -b just fine. |
| 13:50.06 | jair | for example: @internet@--->non-intelligent-router----->firewall---->switches-----pcs |
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| 13:50.30 | jair | it is a name for that so I can check on the internet google etc.. |
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| 13:50.54 | rohan | can someone please check the above alsactl issue for me ? |
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| 13:51.25 | rauno_ | terve olen uusi linux käyttäjä onko vinkkejä |
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| 13:52.03 | bloo_sky | thegve, ping doesn't have a 'version' switch either so I dunno! |
| 13:52.18 | cahoot | rohan: AFAIK debian puts that file in /var/lib/alsa |
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| 13:52.28 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 13:52.59 | cahoot | rohan: at least on sarge and etch |
| 13:53.02 | rohan | cahoot: see |
| 13:53.03 | rohan | [rohan@debian ~]$ ls -la `which alsactl` |
| 13:53.03 | rohan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 41528 2006-04-23 20:47 /usr/sbin/alsactl* |
| 13:53.05 | rohan | cahoot: oh |
| 13:53.09 | nite613__ | jair: Redirect it? You need to set the Default GW of the firewall to be the dumb router. And if you want all of the firewall's traffic features for net traffic, then you need to do a 1-to-1 NAT IP mapping on the dumb router. If it can't do it then you're pooched |
| 13:53.16 | rohan | cahoot: the problem is, imo, its not setuid root |
| 13:53.18 | rohan | because |
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| 13:53.28 | rohan | geteuid32() = 1000 |
| 13:53.29 | rohan | write(2, "sudo: ", 6sudo: ) = 6 |
| 13:53.29 | rohan | write(2, "must be setuid root", 19must be setuid root) = 19 |
| 13:53.29 | rohan | write(2, "\n", 1 |
| 13:53.29 | rohan | ) = 1 |
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| 13:53.44 | rohan | bleh, sorry |
| 13:54.03 | jair | nite613__, haha :) |
| 13:54.07 | cahoot | rohan: works fine here as: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 41656 2005-11-23 00:30 /usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 13:54.13 | superlinux | I have correctly configured squidguard but still not getting the effect I want, which is blocking the adult sites, i used the update-chastity tool. |
| 13:54.31 | karl_ | I have a 2.6.15 from backports And I have vmware And the guest operating system some time starts some time does not |
| 13:54.38 | karl_ | Any ideas |
| 13:54.48 | rohan | cahoot: so can you rm /etc/asound.state and sudo alsactl store and see if the file is recreated ? |
| 13:54.49 | karl_ | It did work fine on 2.6.8 |
| 13:54.58 | jair | nite613__, hey seriously this should be simple, how can we call this? I was yesterday reading couple of comptia books about network + to find out more about it |
| 13:55.00 | cahoot | rohan: AFAIK debian puts that file in /var/lib/alsa |
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| 13:55.22 | jair | nite613__, can I give you the examples? or you are to busy? |
| 13:55.40 | rohan | cahoot: oh |
| 13:55.51 | rohan | cahoot: ah, right |
| 13:55.59 | rohan | then why is sound not being restored here on startup |
| 13:55.59 | rohan | :S |
| 13:56.07 | rohan | i did what [4-tea-2] said |
| 13:56.08 | nite613__ | jair: Assuming I understand what you want, then tt has a name; it's called a 1-to-1 NAT. |
| 13:56.19 | nite613__ | jair: not too busy at the moment, really |
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| 13:56.40 | jair | nite613__, ok |
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| 13:57.00 | jair | nite613__, let me put it in pastebin.com or you have another place to paste the info? |
| 13:57.11 | nite613__ | jair: pastebin is fine |
| 13:57.17 | cahoot | rohan: does alsactl restore work if you run it explicitly? |
| 13:57.19 | jair | nite613__, thank you |
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| 13:57.34 | rohan | cahoot: not tried, wait a sec |
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| 13:58.33 | jengelh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.19 | superlinux | this is my config: http://pastebin.com/680924 |
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| 13:59.38 | thegve | jengelh: yep |
| 13:59.49 | cahoot | jengelh: /vmlinuz is a symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-<version> |
| 14:00.02 | jengelh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:00.48 | rohan | cahoot: ah,yes, doing it manually works |
| 14:00.54 | cahoot | jengelh: not in my experience (sarge and etch) |
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| 14:01.02 | RvGaTe | !dns |
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| 14:01.50 | jair | nite613__, this is the info on what we can call (green) network connection on the dumb router. http://pastebin.com/680926 |
| 14:02.51 | zamaliphe | how to format a floopy disk using ext2 fill sysytem |
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| 14:03.05 | madclicker | is there a way to reinit a process that is started by /etc/inittab ? |
| 14:03.09 | cahoot | rohan: and if you run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start? |
| 14:03.51 | rohan | cahoot: no, not then |
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| 14:03.58 | rohan | cahoot: then the volumes are not restore |
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| 14:04.39 | jair | nite613__, here is the info of the red card. http://pastebin.com/680932 |
| 14:04.48 | wrzask | Hi guys. I want to install a debian system with udev support. |
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| 14:04.55 | wrzask | Which debian release would that be? |
| 14:05.34 | jair | nite613__, this is right now working perfectly with the network where I am connecting to. This router have NAT "on" which which is normal in most of the routers |
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| 14:05.50 | kspath | jair: Just remember that networking is something separate from debian even though debian uses networking and has tools for networking. This is a debian help channel for debian issues. |
| 14:06.22 | jair | nite613__, now I want to be able of add an extra "router-firewall" right after that dumb router. |
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| 14:06.49 | jengelh | i screwed the boot, what a wonderful joy |
| 14:07.17 | nite613__ | jair: Sorry, my boss on the phone :P |
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| 14:07.32 | wrzask | Does sarge support udev? |
| 14:07.37 | jair | nite613__, it is ok did you miss all the info I sent you? |
| 14:07.43 | jair | nite613__, or you can get it |
| 14:08.00 | nuzuno | wrzask: it depends on the kernel version. |
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| 14:08.02 | jair | nite613__, they are couple of lines above. |
| 14:08.06 | hans0lo | I am having problem with eFax-gtk package. I try to send fax, it dials, conencts and starts talking to the other fax machine, then I get: Error: wrong response to command to receive a frame |
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| 14:08.34 | wrzask | nuzuno, I need userland udev support. |
| 14:08.50 | wrzask | nuzuno, I have an udev-only kernel and I need to get it working with debian. |
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| 14:09.12 | kspath | wrzask: Need to get it working with Debian Sarge/Stable? |
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| 14:09.27 | wrzask | kspath, That would be nice. |
| 14:09.33 | wrzask | Is that possible? |
| 14:09.36 | nuzuno | wrzask: what version is ur kernel? |
| 14:09.45 | wrzask | 2.16.16 |
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| 14:09.50 | wrzask | s/16/6/ |
| 14:09.58 | rohan | cahoot: any more ideas ? |
| 14:10.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:10.06 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:10.29 | nuzuno | wrzask: in what way is udev not working for u now? |
| 14:10.45 | jair | nite613__, just let me know when you get back ok.. |
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| 14:10.52 | cahoot | rohan: BTS - and for the time being run alsactl store/restore via another method than/etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 14:11.08 | wrzask | nuzuno, I haven't installed debian base system yet, I want to find out which debian version I need to install. I know sarge had problems with udev some time ago. |
| 14:11.20 | Braindead | the fix is in the BTS,just comment a line at the start of the script |
| 14:11.26 | rohan | cahoot: ah, thanks. bootmisc, maybe ? |
| 14:11.36 | madclicker | is there a way to reinit a process that is started by /etc/inittab ? I tried init u, init q but the process doesnt start. Can anyone help a brother? |
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| 14:11.43 | efaistos | hi |
| 14:11.44 | cahoot | rohan: ^^see Braindeads input |
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| 14:11.53 | efaistos | do you know what this warning means : |
| 14:11.54 | efaistos | (WW) (1600x1200,Generic Monitor) mode clock 229.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 0MHz |
| 14:11.54 | efaistos | (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) |
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| 14:12.11 | efaistos | I still cant start my X server :( |
| 14:12.13 | junix|work | what is wrong with firefox in unstable, it keeps launching a whole bunch of defunct processes |
| 14:12.18 | nuzuno | wrzask: i had udev working with sarge with kernel-2.6.12. |
| 14:12.37 | wrzask | nuzuno, Sure about that? No devfs in that kernel? |
| 14:12.57 | wrzask | That'd be good. |
| 14:12.58 | takisd | how can i reinstall a package and force it to reinstall its depends also using apt? is that possible? |
| 14:13.19 | nuzuno | wrzask: dead sure. |
| 14:13.32 | wrzask | nuzuno, Aight, thx, I'll try then. |
| 14:13.45 | kspath | efaistos: it appears you might not be using 1600x1200 and your refresh was out of range. |
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| 14:14.01 | Braindead | junix|work: "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth." |
| 14:14.03 | efaistos | kspath: but i used to use that resolution .... |
| 14:14.10 | wrzask | The idea of changing devfs to udev in the so called stable kernel line sucks anyway. |
| 14:14.13 | rohan | in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh , what is the ":" in end for ? |
| 14:14.14 | kspath | efaistos: ? |
| 14:14.14 | efaistos | since the update it doesnt work anymore ... |
| 14:14.30 | cahoot | rohan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364593 |
| 14:14.31 | kspath | efaistos: Update? XF86 -> Xorg? |
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| 14:14.46 | efaistos | kspath: yes .... on testing |
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| 14:14.58 | efaistos | kspath: dont know what to do ... |
| 14:15.07 | kspath | efaistos: XFree86 is not Xorg |
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| 14:15.26 | efaistos | I read the wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 but didnt help too much ... |
| 14:15.27 | kspath | efaistos: Configure your Xorg. |
| 14:15.29 | diesel | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 14:15.29 | dpkg | hmm... 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 14:16.02 | rohan | thanks a lot, cahoot , for searching for me |
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| 14:16.31 | efaistos | kspath: already did ... When I start X it goes like it launch the Xorg server and then nothing I can't even come back to my console and i must reboot manually ... |
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| 14:17.11 | kspath | efaistos: What driver? Did you try VESA and try lesser resolution? |
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| 14:17.41 | efaistos | i tried vga in 8 bits and it worked ... I'm trying to use the free ati one ... |
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| 14:17.58 | efaistos | the fglrx crashed my box every time |
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| 14:18.28 | kspath | efaistos: I will not really be able to help. I have zero experience with that. |
| 14:18.41 | junix|work | what is wrong with firefox in unstable, it keeps launching a whole bunch of defunct processes! |
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| 14:19.04 | efaistos | kspath: are u using Xorg 7 ? |
| 14:19.07 | iostream | Why is dpkg ignoring my requests? :/ |
| 14:19.09 | Supaplex | !btssmite junix|work |
| 14:19.24 | pygi | iostream: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:19.26 | junix|work | ok |
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| 14:19.48 | iostream | pygi: im asking it for unix lessons (dpkg, the bot) |
| 14:19.49 | kspath | iostream: dpkg does not really serve beer. |
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| 14:19.57 | iostream | kspath: haha |
| 14:20.02 | pygi | kspath: agreed :) |
| 14:20.14 | kspath | iostream: dpkg does not have the knowledge of all things. |
| 14:20.30 | iostream | kspath: I saw that entry yesterday and I need it for a friend |
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| 14:20.41 | jair | nite613__, are you overhere still? |
| 14:20.42 | iostream | kspath: but the bot doesnt even respond to "help" now :/ |
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| 14:21.02 | iostream | hmm, now all my requests came trough.. |
| 14:21.08 | iostream | That's like 60 seconds lag :) |
| 14:21.16 | kspath | iostream: There are manuals in debian installs. There are basic tutorials on unix online in MANY places. There are dozens and dozens of books about unix/linux. |
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| 14:21.26 | voltagex | is there a way to remove or disable xdm without debian removing X? |
| 14:21.30 | kspath | !test |
| 14:21.30 | dpkg | No, kspath, you're not online any more. |
| 14:21.34 | kspath | see |
| 14:21.35 | iostream | kspath: I know all that. it was just simple 10 good rules. |
| 14:22.11 | cahoot | voltagex: try /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 14:30.38 | kurumin | 201.1.188.231 |
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| 14:32.09 | KursK | this is kinda hopelesss, but...well...did ever someone cmpile kregedit successfully under debian? |
| 14:32.14 | MrNobody | does anyone knows if Java Media Frameworks works Ok under debian? I have ubunto 5.10 right know and its just so slow.... |
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| 14:32.53 | pharm | MrNobody: which JRE ? |
| 14:33.12 | MrNobody | pharm:jre 1.5 from sun |
| 14:33.17 | _rene_ | MrNobody: the JMF sucks. completely. ignore it. |
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| 14:33.55 | MrNobody | _rene_:I know that fore sure :) but what can i do to make a multimedia aplication in java then? |
| 14:34.22 | _rene_ | use something else? use a sane language not requiring proprietary software for Java? |
| 14:34.30 | MrNobody | _rene_:I tried to fronted mplayer but the x11 manager wont attach the video window into a swing/awt/swt windows |
| 14:34.34 | _rene_ | run a program written in native stuff from your app |
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| 14:34.42 | _rene_ | whatever, anything which doesn't involve JMF |
| 14:34.43 | bartlebee | is it possible to list where files will be install by apt before I actually install them? currently I do dpkg -L |
| 14:35.00 | benjr_ | whats a good media player that has support for quicktime? |
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| 14:35.13 | _rene_ | bartlebee: packages.debian.org... |
| 14:35.27 | bartlebee | benjr_, mplayer has codecs for quicktime |
| 14:35.34 | MrNobody | benjr_:try mplayer |
| 14:35.36 | bartlebee | _rene_, thk |
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| 14:36.06 | MrNobody | have you guys heard of VLC java bindings? |
| 14:36.51 | benjr_ | MrNobody: i had trouble configureing vlc, thats hwy i came heer asking for a differnt player lol |
| 14:36.58 | rohan | anyone know why "Bitstream vera sans mono" and "DejaVu Mono" at size 12 appear so broken in konsole on kde ? like, typing a word "nmims" makes it go awful |
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| 14:37.27 | MrNobody | benjr_:give it a shot to mplayer you will be surprised. and dont forget to install win32 codecs too :) |
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| 14:38.55 | benjr_ | MrNobody: win32 codecs add support for wmv? |
| 14:38.59 | MrNobody | yep |
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| 14:40.05 | MrNobody | <_rene_>any sugestion for the native stuff? some http://something... |
| 14:40.21 | johnadamsjrmi | Hello everybody, I am new here. I need help installing my Debian distro. I have a MSI-K&N@GM@-ILSR motherboard and a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 10 hard drive |
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| 14:41.05 | _rene_ | MrNobody: wtf is <_rene_>? we're on irc, so use _rene_: please. but no, I don't have any |
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| 14:41.37 | MrNobody | _rene_:sorry copy pasted it lol |
| 14:41.57 | azeem | MrNobody: it makes it look like a quote, better use nick: to address people |
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| 14:43.05 | MrNobody | sorry |
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| 14:43.14 | Supaplex | I think MrNobody's tab key is defunct, or the left pinky finger is :) |
| 14:43.33 | johnadamsjrmi | is there anyone with a MSI-K7N2GM2-ILSR here? |
| 14:43.33 | undesktop | what is the most simple way to install Java 1.5 on Debian unstable without surrounding the packaging system? |
| 14:43.47 | MrNobody | supaplex:didnt get it ? mexican... |
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| 14:44.13 | kspath | Supaplex: You do not type with your thumbs? |
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| 14:44.30 | Supaplex | kspath: just spaces :) |
| 14:44.43 | FauxFaux | Real men don't use their thumbs for spaces. :) |
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| 14:44.53 | Supaplex | says who |
| 14:45.08 | kspath | FauxFaux: Does that lead into a joke that might not be for all the #debian audience? |
| 14:45.11 | bloo_sky | FauxFaux, are you boasting? |
| 14:45.14 | johnadamsjrmi | Is there anyone willing to help me? |
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| 14:45.33 | kspath | !tell johnadamsjrmi about ask |
| 14:45.35 | azeem | johnadamsjrmi: state your problem? |
| 14:45.37 | lord_rob | undesktop: java-package |
| 14:45.42 | FauxFaux | bloo_sky: Yes, I'm so "l33t" that I only need 80% of the fingers you do to type. |
| 14:45.43 | Supaplex | johnadamsjrmi: you want to install debian, or are you having a specific issue? |
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| 14:45.54 | MrNobody | could anyone point me to some channel related to java programing in linux? |
| 14:46.10 | bloo_sky | FauxFaux, lol, u da man |
| 14:46.12 | lord_rob | MrNobody: ##java |
| 14:46.14 | pygi | java on linux? isn't java same on all platforms? =P |
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| 14:46.19 | azeem | |SkuN|`Aw: please turn that off |
| 14:46.20 | pygi | joy :) |
| 14:46.21 | Supaplex | !tell |SkuN|`Aw -about away |
| 14:46.22 | kspath | MrNobody: I thought the whole point of java was it did not matter what the platform was. |
| 14:46.27 | johnadamsjrmi | I am having a specific issue when installing Debian |
| 14:46.30 | pygi | kspath: me as well =P |
| 14:46.38 | kspath | pygi: Funny that eh? |
| 14:46.45 | pygi | kspath: yea, indeed :) |
| 14:46.55 | pygi | seems we were wrong all this time =P |
| 14:46.56 | MrNobody | lord_rob:I went there already but they said "java media frameworks works ok on debian with mp3 support...... |
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| 14:47.22 | lord_rob | it doesn't ? |
| 14:47.23 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 14:47.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:47.24 | kspath | pygi: Apparently, people are trying to (ab)use java for many kinds of "tasks". |
| 14:47.32 | Supaplex | johnadamsjrmi: ^^^ (dpkg) |
| 14:47.37 | pygi | kspath: hehe :) |
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| 14:48.11 | lord_rob | java will work perfectly in debian when it is completely free :) |
| 14:48.33 | pygi | lord_rob: no, lies, all lies...java needs uber-super-luper hacks to work on linux =P |
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| 14:48.52 | nvz | not to mention its not free |
| 14:48.54 | MrNobody | pygi:really? |
| 14:49.00 | azeem | johnadamsjrmi: which issue? |
| 14:49.12 | pygi | MrNobody: yes, lol :) |
| 14:49.14 | lord_rob | pygi: look gnu classpath tremendous headways (planet.classpath.org ;) |
| 14:49.17 | pygi | nvz: agreed :) |
| 14:49.29 | johnadamsjrmi | My problem is that when it gets to the point where I would need to partition the drive |
| 14:49.30 | pygi | lord_rob: no, I don't trust it...all lies :) |
| 14:49.37 | pygi | hehe, whatever :) lemme stop now :) |
| 14:49.39 | Ibrahim | hello, I'm trying to configure an usb modem, what is the interface name? |
| 14:49.45 | sussudio | would anyone happen to know what the approximate bandwith of 72 pin fastpage memory should be in MB/sec? i can't get a straight answer out of google. on one motherboard, i only get 50MB/sec, on another 144MB/sec. |
| 14:49.59 | johnadamsjrmi | It tells me no partitionable media were found |
| 14:50.00 | Supaplex | johnadamsjrmi: so it doesn't work... |
| 14:50.02 | kspath | sussudio: clock? |
| 14:50.06 | Supaplex | there we go! |
| 14:50.18 | sussudio | kspath: isn't it clock independent? |
| 14:50.26 | Supaplex | johnadamsjrmi: sata controller? |
| 14:50.35 | benjr_ | whats the name of the package with win32 codecs fo mplayer? |
| 14:50.37 | MrNobody | lord_rob:well the BIG question is does it worth the time to switch my current distro to debian for trying java media framework? |
| 14:50.42 | sussudio | kspath: they're both 166mhz pentiums, btw. |
| 14:50.48 | kspath | sussudio: How? what causes the memory to change state to store information? |
| 14:50.59 | zrin | establishing a TCP connection from my new sarge box lasts long (over 4s) even to local machines ... what could that be? it's not DNS, because it is not faster when the ip address is given. |
| 14:51.00 | sussudio | kspath: memory controller? |
| 14:51.01 | pygi | MrNobody: you are currently using what? |
| 14:51.06 | MrNobody | benhr_:dont remember but you can always go to wwwm.mplayerhq.hu |
| 14:51.07 | johnadamsjrmi | I have a couple of pictures Ive took, wait just a min for me to upload them to imageshack |
| 14:51.10 | lord_rob | MrNobody: if you are happy with your current distro I would say no |
| 14:51.21 | kspath | sussudio: memory controller updates how? |
| 14:51.25 | MrNobody | pygi: ubuntu breeze 5.10(debian based) |
| 14:51.29 | sussudio | kspath: bunnies. |
| 14:51.37 | azeem | johnadamsjrmi: did you try the linux26 boot option, to use linux-2.6? |
| 14:51.42 | kspath | sussudio: pink bunnies with fluffy white tails? |
| 14:51.43 | jethro | benjr_: it's w32codecs in marillat if I'm not mistaken |
| 14:51.44 | johnadamsjrmi | yes, seems to be a sata comtroller issue |
| 14:51.47 | lord_rob | benjr_: w32codecs |
| 14:51.47 | pygi | MrNobody: bah, Ubuntu is not "so good" relationship with Java |
| 14:51.49 | sussudio | kspath: no. white bunnies. |
| 14:51.50 | johnadamsjrmi | yes, Ive tried |
| 14:51.54 | Supaplex | johnadamsjrmi: you said you had a harddisk. is it sata? ide? scsi? something else? |
| 14:52.02 | johnadamsjrmi | SATA |
| 14:52.07 | Supaplex | johnadamsjrmi: ok. do you know what chipset it is? |
| 14:52.08 | kspath | sussudio: I have no knowledge of that. Sorry. |
| 14:52.10 | pygi | MrNobody: and also, you should swith distro anyway...at least to Dapper, if not to Debian |
| 14:52.19 | johnadamsjrmi | nforce2 with integrated video |
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| 14:52.30 | johnadamsjrmi | gforce 4 MX |
| 14:52.35 | MrNobody | lord_rob:but the main thing why I switched linux to port my multimedia aplication from visual basic to java why will your recomendation be? |
| 14:52.57 | sussudio | i'm going to have to assume that the board that gives me 50MB/sec is underperforming and the 144MB/sec isn't right either. |
| 14:53.07 | Supaplex | johnadamsjrmi: humm I know the linux26 kernel has support for sata, atleast with via chipsets. I'm not sure about others, but you can try it (or do a little research) |
| 14:53.18 | pygi | MrNobody: well, you can use Java, what is the problem? =P |
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| 14:53.57 | lord_rob | MrNobody: I don't know, debian might no be easy to install if you are new to linux (and impatient like me ;) |
| 14:54.06 | johnadamsjrmi | yes I have already tried linux26 |
| 14:54.13 | johnadamsjrmi | and also the expert mode |
| 14:54.14 | MrNobody | pygi:the multimedia playback is slow,jerky buggy and the aplication is some kind of clone of winamp with cd ripping support |
| 14:54.45 | lord_rob | pygi: it is given you have supported hardware |
| 14:54.51 | MrNobody | pyig:I have already the code for playing mp3 and ripping cd with several libraries |
| 14:54.59 | pygi | MrNobody: well, you need to install multimedia support =P Gstreamer and stuff...anyway, switch to Dapper at least |
| 14:55.02 | pygi | it's much better |
| 14:55.02 | kspath | pygi: Easy relative to buying something with M$ OS installed already? |
| 14:55.21 | pygi | kspath: I never had M$ on my computer, so I wouldn't know, sorry =P |
| 14:55.39 | MrNobody | pygi:I already have mplayer,gstreamer, my own compiled VLC plus totem with win32 codecs..... but java still sucks.... |
| 14:55.54 | pygi | MrNobody: ah, what java are you using? |
| 14:56.03 | lord_rob | pygi: installing debian on my thinkpad was not that easy actually ;) |
| 14:56.15 | MrNobody | pygi:JRE 1.5 from sun with netbeans 5.0 bundle |
| 14:56.27 | pygi | lord_rob: ah, what thinkpad you have? |
| 14:56.29 | kspath | pygi: It seems people get confused by ANY questions no matter how simply they are worded. Any installer that forces thinking/learning/reading challenged people to answer any questions with garner complaints and whines. |
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| 14:56.46 | pygi | kspath: hehe :) |
| 14:56.47 | kspath | s/with/will/ |
| 14:57.09 | pygi | MrNobody: debian plays more nicely with Java, then Ubuntu |
| 14:57.19 | lord_rob | pygi: r52 (with pentium m 1.86GHz) |
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| 14:57.36 | pygi | lord_rob: hm, and what was the issue? |
| 14:57.37 | [AGS]Serialkille | hi everyone |
| 14:57.41 | kspath | MrNobody: Have you considered using perl or python or ruby instead? |
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| 14:57.52 | pygi | kspath: me suggests python :) |
| 14:57.54 | [AGS]Serialkille | any use expect to automate passwd? |
| 14:57.57 | MrNobody | pygi:which version should I get stable?unstable? http:// |
| 14:58.02 | lord_rob | pygi: sata was the main problem |
| 14:58.22 | pygi | MrNobody: well, I have the unstable, but not sure if you would be able to handle it :-/ |
| 14:58.46 | lord_rob | pygi: I first installed kanotix then installed debian sid proper only when kanotix crashed :) |
| 14:58.46 | kspath | MrNobody: unstable is not stable hence the name unstable. |
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| 14:58.53 | MrNobody | kspath:does pyton has multimedia support? mp3/mpg playiback and cd ripping capabilities? |
| 14:58.55 | pygi | kspath: hehe :) |
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| 14:59.19 | pygi | MrNobody: python itself? no, ofcourse not...but libraries (others) do, and you can always write wrapper |
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| 14:59.25 | PakiPenguin_ | hello |
| 14:59.25 | kspath | MrNobody: Have you looked at the repository for mp3 and python? I think you will find something already done in python. |
| 14:59.33 | pygi | hi PakiPenguin |
| 14:59.45 | pygi | MrNobody: python is very nice, quick to learn |
| 14:59.49 | pygi | and powerful |
| 14:59.52 | PakiPenguin_ | is there any graphical network configuration tool that can configure my ethernet interface thru console? ( like netconfig in redhat) |
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| 14:59.56 | ejk | PakiPenguin_: Haha, nice nick. ;-) |
| 15:00.04 | MrNobody | kspath:I already have mp3 playing and ripping working in java.... my real problem is the mpeg avi playback... |
| 15:00.17 | pygi | PakiPenguin: gah, graphical in console? aren't those things not so simmilar? :P |
| 15:00.22 | pygi | you mean ncurses probably |
| 15:00.25 | PakiPenguin_ | lol pygi like netconfig |
| 15:00.27 | PakiPenguin_ | yeah |
| 15:00.28 | PakiPenguin_ | :) |
| 15:00.30 | lord_rob | PakiPenguin_: man interfaces |
| 15:00.34 | PakiPenguin_ | umm |
| 15:00.44 | GoAuLd | when xorg 7 in etch ? |
| 15:00.44 | johnadamsjrmi | ok, here I have one pic http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6829/picture0024rs.jpg |
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| 15:00.45 | codered | hi |
| 15:00.45 | codered | i've got this problem with backports.org |
| 15:00.45 | codered | GPG error NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 15:00.50 | ejk | GoAuLd: Read the topic. |
| 15:00.51 | PakiPenguin_ | i know /etc/network/eht0 . stuff |
| 15:00.52 | kspath | MrNobody: You should fix that than. Because java is wanted by everyone that hates performance and stability |
| 15:00.57 | pygi | MrNobody: well, I am not sure if Java supports this :) |
| 15:00.59 | codered | how can I solve it? |
| 15:01.14 | pygi | well, you don't have public key codered? :P |
| 15:01.17 | [AGS]Serialkille | looking for way to automate adding accounts, and passwords |
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| 15:01.52 | MrNobody | kspath:you might be right but I am thinkin about compiling to native libraries to boost performance using JIT the statistics seems good though :) |
| 15:02.16 | codered | pygi: it says "it's impossible to verify the signature because the key isn't available" |
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| 15:02.28 | pygi | codered: well, thats what I am talking about :P |
| 15:02.29 | petemc | [AGS]Serialkille: apropos usersa |
| 15:02.32 | petemc | gah, users |
| 15:02.41 | johnadamsjrmi | here is the other pic http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8191/picture0033es1.jpg |
| 15:02.54 | codered | pygi: and how can I solve it? |
| 15:03.05 | pygi | codered: import the key? =P |
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| 15:03.22 | codered | i tried this: gpg --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 15:03.33 | codered | but it says URI not valid |
| 15:04.05 | codered | I think i need the correct keyserver |
| 15:04.41 | codered | ? |
| 15:05.07 | jair | netman1, you must know a lot about networks haha :) |
| 15:05.37 | pygi | jair: heh :P |
| 15:05.52 | lord_rob | johnadamsjrmi: have you tried to install using a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 15:06.07 | johnadamsjrmi | yes, I had |
| 15:06.14 | johnadamsjrmi | same issue |
| 15:06.18 | lord_rob | no more luck ? |
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| 15:06.51 | benjr_ | why would i be getting picture but no sounds whne i player quicktime files with mplayer? |
| 15:06.51 | pygi | codered: gpg --import key.asc |
| 15:07.02 | pygi | benjr_: no codecs? =P |
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| 15:08.00 | johnadamsjrmi | seems to be an issue with my SATA controller |
| 15:08.08 | benjr_ | pygi: what codec would i need? |
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| 15:09.39 | pygi | benjr_: don't know ... sorry =P wth happened??? |
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| 15:09.40 | benjr_ | wtf? |
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| 15:09.41 | lord_rob | benjr_: split |
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| 15:09.41 | benjr_ | lord_rob: split is the name of the codec for quicktime files? |
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| 15:09.55 | lord_rob | benjr_: <benjr_> wtf? -------> it's a netsplit |
| 15:10.16 | benjr_ | whats that? |
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| 15:10.59 | buck | it's a wtfsplit |
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| 15:11.32 | buck | it's when peer comes along and throws out all the naughty connections |
| 15:11.32 | kspath | benjr_: netsplit is when a moron attacks or a networking issue occurs. |
| 15:11.41 | GoAuLd | benjr: the server holding those people was shutdown or it hanged down |
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| 15:12.23 | buck | now it came back |
| 15:12.23 | petemc | !tell benjr_ about netsplit |
| 15:12.23 | [AGS]Serialkille | anyone use expect? |
| 15:12.23 | buck | magic |
| 15:12.23 | lord_rob | benjr_: they are back ;) |
| 15:12.23 | kspath | benjr_: There now you know most of the variations. |
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| 15:12.47 | maxb | When a package postinst tampers with permissions on a file it shouldn't be touching... is that 'important' or 'serious' ? |
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| 15:16.43 | johnadamsjrmi | is there any lpro who can help me to install Debian? |
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| 15:17.07 | lord_rob | maxb: it depends |
| 15:17.14 | lord_rob | maxb: check the bts |
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| 15:21.25 | benjr_ | ive installed win32codecs but i still have no audio with quicktime files, the verbose output of mplayer says (amoung other things) "Cannot find codec for audio format 0x726D6173" if thats any help |
| 15:21.51 | lord_rob | benjr_: have you installed w32codecs via apt-get ? |
| 15:21.51 | pygi | johnadamsjrmi: what help do you need? |
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| 15:22.23 | benjr_ | lord_rob: yep |
| 15:22.44 | Supaplex | pygi: he has a nforce chipset, and the sata controller isn't supported it appears. no partionable media found. |
| 15:23.00 | Supaplex | under linux26 |
| 15:23.01 | lord_rob | benjr_: then your particular audio encoding might not be supported by w32codecs |
| 15:23.08 | cahoot | benjr_: not using gentoo then? |
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| 15:23.37 | pygi | Supaplex: ah |
| 15:23.41 | lord_rob | benjr_: I think w32codecs is for wma/wmv and sort of things |
| 15:23.55 | benjr_ | cahoot: im trying lots of distros lol |
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| 15:24.23 | cahoot | benjr_: it might be of interest when figuring out why it doesn't work as expected |
| 15:24.25 | lord_rob | benjr_: that's what I was doing before trying debian |
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| 15:25.08 | kspath | benjr_: I tried many many things/distros for years and settled on debian. |
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| 15:25.28 | benjr_ | all linux distro are much the same tho arnt they |
| 15:25.40 | cahoot | benjr_: what audio output have you choosen when running mplayer on the file? |
| 15:25.46 | kspath | benjr_: It depends on your purposes/tasks. |
| 15:26.14 | kspath | pygi: Why are you in #debian? Is there not a #slack? |
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| 15:26.24 | benjr_ | cahoot: i didnt choose any, i just "mplayer <file name>" |
| 15:26.24 | cahoot | benjr_: try mplayer -ao alsa <file> |
| 15:26.33 | kspath | benjr_: distros are often quite different in many ways. |
| 15:26.42 | pygi | kspath: because I use debian/ubuntu now? and can't I be here? =P |
| 15:27.28 | thingfish | sure you can. |
| 15:27.37 | pygi | thingfish: there, no problem :) |
| 15:27.40 | thingfish | well, except for the ubuntu part. ;) |
| 15:27.44 | kspath | pygi: You can be where you want. I was curious why someone mentioning slackware would bother with other things. |
| 15:27.53 | pygi | thingfish: hehe :) |
| 15:27.54 | benjr_ | cahoot: no sound then either |
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| 15:27.58 | cahoot | benjr_: if you run mplayer in a term you can see what sound driver it uses |
| 15:28.03 | pygi | kspath: slackware is not the end of the world =P |
| 15:28.15 | kspath | pygi: Most often those mentioning other distros are trolls. |
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| 15:28.36 | pygi | kspath: uh, no, no ... I've been developing for debian/ubuntu for a quite a while now =P |
| 15:28.42 | [4-tea-2] | i seem to have a problem with mime types on my Debian/etch system... whenever i double-click an .avi video in Nautilus, a warning dialog tells me about a difference between the file ending suggesting an "avi-Dokument" (German localization) and the content suggesting an "AVI-Video". any idea what could be causing this confusion? |
| 15:28.53 | benjr_ | cahoot: avi files get sound ok |
| 15:28.55 | pygi | kspath: no worries, I not a troll :) |
| 15:29.16 | kspath | pygi: I already thought you were likely not a troll based on what you had done/said before. |
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| 15:29.18 | thingfish | pygi: do you mean you develop for Debian, Ubuntu, or both? |
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| 15:29.46 | pygi | thingfish: well, I try to accomodate both :) |
| 15:30.02 | kspath | thingfish: If someone develops for debian they are often indirectly developing for Ubuntu in the long run. Are they not? |
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| 15:30.09 | pygi | kspath: yup, true :) |
| 15:30.23 | pygi | ubuntu does syncs from Debian unstable |
| 15:30.26 | thingfish | kspath: quite true, actually. |
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| 15:30.44 | Ibrahim | hello, anybody know a guide configuring a usb adsl modem on linux? I installed drivers, and I can ping the modem but don't know how to configure pppd, I sould use pppoa |
| 15:30.58 | pygi | I am running Debian for 3 years now (partly it was at a time when Slackware was still at my other computer) |
| 15:31.03 | benjr_ | cahoot: heres what mplayer says, i cnat make sence of it myself http://pastebin.com/681094 |
| 15:31.11 | pygi | and it has much better community & more packages :) |
| 15:31.16 | pygi | not so much compiling anymore =P |
| 15:31.37 | kspath | thingfish: That is part of the reason I focus on trying to assist in some way with #debian since it will help debian and anyone forking debian. Debian is the root of all solutions. |
| 15:32.09 | thingfish | well, it's a damn good distro, that's for sure ;) |
| 15:32.23 | pygi | community is nice ... well, mostly =P |
| 15:32.26 | pygi | trolls do exist :) |
| 15:32.35 | hyksos | Ibrahim :does the modem has config-interface? |
| 15:32.37 | kspath | pygi: Sorry, I try not to troll too much. |
| 15:32.45 | lord_rob | pygi: did you call me ? |
| 15:32.46 | nvz | pygi: if you are not a troll than please stop referring to debian/ubuntu, as there is no such thing and they are separate projects |
| 15:32.52 | pygi | kspath: I haven't said nothing to you =P |
| 15:32.55 | jethro | debian is the root of all solutions" |
| 15:32.59 | pygi | nvz: ah, oki =P |
| 15:33.01 | jethro | ain't that a troll? :) |
| 15:33.06 | pygi | lord_rob: huh? =P |
| 15:33.16 | thingfish | heh jethro |
| 15:33.24 | jethro | hi thingfish |
| 15:33.30 | thingfish | hi jethro |
| 15:33.31 | pygi | nvz: no, they are linked projects...they are and will never be separate =P |
| 15:33.39 | mentor | Gaah. Today is too depressing. Charles Clarke is being a moron about civil liberties in the UK, and the USA is about to strengthen the DMCA. |
| 15:33.53 | lord_rob | pygi: it's cool to troll sometimes but #debian is way to big to allow such things |
| 15:33.55 | Ibrahim | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.02 | resiak | mentor: s/being //; s/ about.*UK// |
| 15:34.03 | thingfish | oh no, now here we go. |
| 15:34.10 | Ibrahim | i tried via http and telnet but I've connection refuse |
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| 15:34.24 | pygi | lord_rob: hehe :) |
| 15:34.27 | kspath | mentor: I do not buy their products as often as I can. Just say no to the morons. |
| 15:34.28 | mentor | resiak: heh |
| 15:34.40 | hyksos | Ibrahim : read the manual of the modem, you cannt connect with ip to usb |
| 15:34.44 | mentor | kspath: Yeah, I don't buy DVDs anymore |
| 15:34.45 | thingfish | pygi: you know, we *just* don't like to discuss ubuntu. you're heading towards making a bad impression in here. |
| 15:34.55 | resiak | mentor: s/To/Every /; # time for Nine Inch Nails and LiveJournal! |
| 15:34.58 | nvz | pygi: they are not linked and they will always in the foreseable future be separate. debian is a great distro that makes it really easy to deploy quickly and to run a script to turn it into a custom live distribution iso that may conatain numerous violations of debian policy. and frakly there are over 100 of these projects that have spin off in this manner. |
| 15:34.59 | pygi | thingfish: okie, will stop about it =P |
| 15:35.03 | thingfish | ;) |
| 15:35.21 | Ibrahim | hyksos, I haven't it, what should I do or search? |
| 15:35.36 | kspath | mentor: I have a 3 year old so we do buy some few bargain price childrens programming but I do not buy anything for myself that supports the DMCA morons. |
| 15:35.41 | mentor | well. I know where to look for optimism in the future. |
| 15:35.49 | hyksos | Ibrahim :look at the modems id/serialnumber/name and google for manual |
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| 15:36.11 | lord_rob | Does debian installer use knoppix code ? |
| 15:36.13 | mentor | kspath: If all else fails I'm declaring myself independent and going to live on an Island. |
| 15:36.31 | Ibrahim | thanks Hydroxide |
| 15:36.35 | Ibrahim | ops hyksos |
| 15:36.40 | kspath | mentor: They will seize the island calling you a communist or atheist or terrorist. |
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| 15:36.48 | nvz | ah shit, I just found my first copy of sarge cds in a suitcase |
| 15:36.54 | thingfish | me too, mentor. the world'd governments have gotten really awful. |
| 15:36.56 | hyksos | Ibrahim :you arent ready, but ok :) |
| 15:36.57 | mentor | kspath: This can be solved by using enough explosives. |
| 15:37.11 | kspath | mentor: i do not think so. |
| 15:37.11 | thingfish | s/world'd/world's |
| 15:37.17 | pygi | Ibrahim: run pppoeconf as root |
| 15:37.20 | thingfish | hehe mentor |
| 15:37.30 | mentor | kspath: They can't take my freedom. They can only kill me. |
| 15:37.39 | kspath | mentor: Violence only gives the asslings an excuse to bring even more violence and mistreatment. |
| 15:37.41 | pygi | mentor: hehe :) |
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| 15:37.53 | mentor | kspath: I was just going to blow the island up. |
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| 15:38.05 | mentor | anyway, enouhg politics |
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| 15:38.23 | kspath | mentor: just get a flag with the words "Do not tread on me" |
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| 15:39.59 | lazzarello | is there a package that abstracts iptables configuration? I'm most familliar with pf.conf in BSD. |
| 15:40.25 | nvz | people need to understand the whole reason there are so many debian spinoffs is because one this is a great distro and two the people that spin off dont 100% agree with our directives.. therefore their existance proves they are not debian or they would just use debian and there would be no spinoff |
| 15:40.32 | dbron | lazzarello: there are many, shorewall is one |
| 15:40.32 | kspath | lazzarello: shorewall, firehol, firestarter, ... |
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| 15:42.06 | pygi | nvz: oki, just don't eat me =P |
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| 15:42.57 | lord_rob | I had a strange dream last night. A dream of a bootable CD that, like knoppix, detects and configure all my hardware, then starts debian-installer. The result is a 100% pure, ready to use debian system. That sais, I should shut up instead of talking of my dreams no one cares of :) |
| 15:43.27 | stovenator | can anybody help me figure out why dpkg keeps remounting my filesystem read-only? |
| 15:43.27 | pygi | hehe :) |
| 15:43.28 | nvz | pygi: not interested. we really do appreciate the admiration of debian people have we just dont appreciate the greying of the lines that make debian what it is |
| 15:43.32 | lazzarello | lord_rob, I think your dream was about the sarge installer. |
| 15:43.41 | lazzarello | or maybe the etch one at this point. |
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| 15:44.02 | stovenator | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.12 | undesktop | javac -version outputs "Eclipse Java Compiler v_585_R31x, 3.1.2 release, Copyright IBM Corp 2000, 2006.", allthough update-alternatives --config javac tells javac directs to "/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/bin/javac", isn't that strange? |
| 15:44.19 | pygi | nvz: yes, I do understand ... will not happen again as I said =P |
| 15:44.42 | nvz | pygi: oh it will most certainly happen again. It just might not be comming from you |
| 15:45.01 | pygi | nvz: ok, at least it won't come from me =P |
| 15:45.26 | nvz | pygi: its our numbers that drive the windows refugees from our spinoffs back to the source |
| 15:45.42 | undesktop | never mind, update-alternatives displayed it wrong |
| 15:45.45 | nvz | these spin offs are young and dont have the same following of old gurus |
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| 15:46.04 | lord_rob | lazzarello: well, installing sid on my thinkpad using sarge installer was not that easy (I had to install with a 2.4 kernel). I also tried etch installer beta 2 and no hard drive was detected. OTOH, installing kanotix was piece of cake (that's what I first did before learning enough about my laptop and installing debian sarge with a 2.4 kernel) |
| 15:46.08 | Supaplex | is there anyreason why nfs does not work over nat? I get timeouts mounting a nfs share just one hop accrost my nat gateway |
| 15:46.13 | nvz | which may be better in some ways :P |
| 15:47.01 | pygi | hehe :) |
| 15:47.42 | nvz | Supaplex: it probably lost track of its destination when the subnet changed as the host is masquraded I've never done it that way so I dont know how or if its possible |
| 15:47.58 | lord_rob | undesktop: update-alternatives display is somewhat confusing. Chack sun jdk 1.5 again |
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| 15:48.19 | Ibrahim | These usb modems are irritating... |
| 15:48.27 | undesktop | lord_rob: I thought update-alternatives would read the symlinks in /etc/alternatives or so, but obivously it didn't |
| 15:48.50 | nvz | Supaplex: can you get any info from the logs or get rpcinfo on the nfs services on the remote machine? |
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| 15:49.36 | Supaplex | it's a netapp, and while I have cli access, I haven't made much headway into it. I know it's multihome on the private network to, but I'm getting refused there. |
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| 15:49.54 | hyksos | isnt there anymore earth.google.com with browser? only with that tool? |
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| 15:50.04 | mileskeaton | anyone here using unofficial/sarge-amd64? |
| 15:50.13 | tombs | hi all |
| 15:50.14 | hyksos | accessible i mean |
| 15:50.17 | mileskeaton | I'm trying to decide which version to install |
| 15:50.19 | lazzarello | is rpc.statd in nfs-common supposed to listen on two random UDP ports? |
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| 15:50.24 | nvz | Supaplex: ah, this is an appliance, not a normal debian pc then? |
| 15:50.35 | Ibrahim | Cannot find any manual :( |
| 15:50.38 | Supaplex | the server is, but not the workstation. |
| 15:50.40 | mileskeaton | It's just for a kicker box, AMD64, inside my house, for testing. But I want to make sure I have the newest ports of things. |
| 15:50.51 | hyksos | Ibrahim :what is it |
| 15:50.52 | mileskeaton | anyone know if unofficial/sarge-amd64 will have the quite-current updated apt-get ports? |
| 15:51.08 | Ibrahim | A usb zyxel modem |
| 15:51.13 | stew | mileskeaton: it gets updates exactly the same as the other arches |
| 15:51.20 | lord_rob | undesktop: I mean, on my boxes, "update-alternatives --config javac" always displays a + on the left of sun javac and a star on the left of selected alternative for javac. It's the star that counts, but it's somewhat confusing |
| 15:51.20 | hyksos | Ibrahim :some numbers or anything |
| 15:51.21 | Ibrahim | I just need pppd configuration options |
| 15:51.27 | tarzeau | what's better the limewire tarball or rpm? |
| 15:51.37 | lord_rob | undesktop: so make sure you've selected sun javac |
| 15:51.40 | mileskeaton | stew: I've been using etch/testing, which is a little *too* current |
| 15:51.42 | nvz | tarzeau: neither |
| 15:51.46 | stew | mileskeaton: that is to say it never gets new versions of software, only security fixes |
| 15:51.46 | Ibrahim | Sorry, zyxel 630C1 |
| 15:51.48 | nvz | :P |
| 15:51.54 | tarzeau | nvz: thank you, :) |
| 15:52.21 | nvz | tarzeau: I've always tested the tar, but you could in theory make a workable deb with alien from the rpm |
| 15:52.35 | tarzeau | nvz: nah i'll just use the tar as well |
| 15:52.35 | nvz | tarzeau: gift handles that network quite well so I dont bother |
| 15:52.40 | mileskeaton | stew: so if I want to use ports like PHP 5.1.2 (released in January 2006), then... is there a stable release I can use? |
| 15:52.46 | tarzeau | nvz: oh, i should just use gift? |
| 15:52.58 | mileskeaton | stew: ... or do I just have to choose etch/testing or lag-behind in apt-get ports? |
| 15:53.04 | tarzeau | nvz: i usually use wget you know... :) |
| 15:53.27 | nvz | tarzeau: gift supports 4 working protocols now OpenFT, Gnutella, FastTrack, and Ares. though the FastTrack and Ares are not in debian you have to get them elsewhere |
| 15:53.35 | undesktop | lord_rob: ah, I see |
| 15:53.39 | hyksos | Ibrahim :follow the links http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/03/msg00145.html |
| 15:53.44 | stew | mileskeaton: you can use sarge + backports: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 15:54.09 | mileskeaton | stew: cool. I'll go research that. Thanks for your help. |
| 15:54.11 | tarzeau | nvz: any reason they are not in Debian? |
| 15:54.13 | stew | mileskeaton: but since sarge was released in june 05 there is of course no way that sarge would officially have any software released since then |
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| 15:54.36 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont however understand how some plugins work better than others in different locations.. I can get connected to Gnutella and FastTrack and my dad on the same network only running giftw32 gets best connection to Ares and I cant get it at all |
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| 15:55.02 | tarzeau | nvz: #gift |
| 15:55.04 | nvz | tarzeau: FastTrack I know is the "KaZaA" network and its not in for lisc reasons I would imagine.. and ares is a fairly new clone of FastTrack |
| 15:55.04 | hyksos | Ibrahim :theres alot on net with the keywords you gave , what have you done? |
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| 15:55.43 | mileskeaton | stew: I've been a FreeBSD guys for years, and I guess it's just a different way of thinking of it. You can have a stable O.S. release, but the /usr/ports/ are updated daily. |
| 15:55.49 | lazzarello | lord_rob, FWIW, I recently installed Windows XP SP2 and it didn't detect the NIC, Audio card, Video card and USB 2 ports. So the competition isn't doing much better. |
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| 15:55.54 | Ibrahim | I found nothing useful for pppd configuration, I'm searching but my connection is so slow |
| 15:55.56 | mileskeaton | stew: just trying to get used to the Debian way. :-) |
| 15:56.01 | mileskeaton | stew: thanks again. |
| 15:56.14 | nvz | tarzeau: I have not seen OpenFT connect to anything but one node with one user for months on anyone's system and I work frequently with gift as most people I setup linux for will want to use some sort of p2p/filesharing app |
| 15:56.21 | hyksos | on which osi-model layer lies WEP ? |
| 15:56.34 | lord_rob | undesktop: maybe that's your problem. From update-alternatives manpage : "The current choice is marked with a '*' and the choice with the highest priority with a '+'" |
| 15:56.43 | mikeConigliaro | how can i see what version of a package is going to be installed? |
| 15:56.47 | mikeConigliaro | with apt |
| 15:56.53 | Supaplex | hyksos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI |
| 15:56.57 | lazzarello | mikeConigliaro, apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 15:56.59 | nvz | tarzeau: btw, why are you still calling up the popcon factoid like twice a day at random? :P |
| 15:57.07 | mikeConigliaro | lazzarello, thanks |
| 15:57.08 | undesktop | lord_rob: yes, I got it right now, thank you (also for that java-package tip) |
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| 15:57.20 | tarzeau | nvz: sure |
| 15:57.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:57.21 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:57.44 | jmartens | Can anyone tell me the difference between method: keyboard-interactive and method: password wrt ssh and pam? |
| 15:57.57 | nvz | tarzeau: you are worse with that popcon stuff than sgeigerbot is with knoppix |
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| 15:58.10 | tarzeau | nvz: heh don't worry i'm gonna eat |
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| 15:58.23 | nvz | I havent seen the knoppix fanboy in weeks, I see you at least twice daily |
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| 15:58.53 | lord_rob | lazzarello: right, but windows is not really competition, I was talking of OS'es here |
| 15:58.57 | lord_rob | :p |
| 15:59.21 | nvz | I am gonna go get a shower, myself. See whats happening today, or rather what I can make happen. |
| 15:59.34 | zenwryly | on upgrading to xorg7, my xterms became black on white instead of the white on black they had been. How do I change this system wide? |
| 15:59.50 | nvz | I think I'd like to hear a little guitar. |
| 15:59.56 | hyksos | Supaplex : ? where does this link point to? you know? |
| 16:00.11 | stew | zenwryly: man X ; and read the RESOURCES section, and man xrdb |
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| 16:00.58 | hyksos | on whcih layer is ipsec? |
| 16:01.00 | lord_rob | lazzarello: I have also tried booting kanotix then installing debian using debootstrap but I didn't work either :/ Maybe I should have tried to make a custom kanotix cd with an up to date debootstrap that can install sid. Do you think it should be possible ? |
| 16:01.03 | kspath | hyksos: Have you ever heard of wikipedia or OSI? |
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| 16:01.47 | hyksos | kspath :no, whats wikipedia? |
| 16:01.55 | lazzarello | lord_rob, a few months ago it was impossible to install sid via debootstrap. have you tried etch via apt-get dist-upgrade or a CD-R installer? |
| 16:01.55 | zenwryly | stew: thanks |
| 16:02.21 | kspath | hyksos: unless you are fearful of http try that wikipedia link. |
| 16:02.32 | stew | lord_rob: if you want to debootstrap sid you need to use the debootstrap from sid, download it from pdo. and man debootstrap and look at the --second-stage option |
| 16:03.00 | hyksos | kspath :whats http ? |
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| 16:03.50 | lord_rob | stew: kanotix uses packages from sid. But i think debootstrap for sid is updated very often, hence it doesn't work, right ? |
| 16:04.00 | kspath | hyksos: Something that perhaps you do not want or need to know. Else you sarcasm indicators are broken and/or humour indicators are broken. |
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| 16:04.35 | hyksos | kspath : all broken, must reboot hyksos :) |
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| 16:05.26 | stew | lord_rob: i don't know about kanotix. debootstrap in sid is updated very often, hence it works |
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| 16:06.04 | lazzarello | lord_rob, why don't you save yourself the waste of time and run testing? |
| 16:06.31 | lazzarello | you can always pull packages from sid into your testing system if you like. |
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| 16:07.29 | lord_rob | lazzarello: I'm running sid without any problem on this box, thanks for your help. This is just a "research of the ultimate way to install sid" in case I'd need to |
| 16:07.57 | lazzarello | I see |
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| 16:08.14 | lazzarello | I actually think it's better for sid to be hard to install. |
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| 16:08.44 | kspath | I see new definitions of ultimate and forever and never and ages and many others words in #debian everyday. |
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| 16:09.40 | lord_rob | lazzarello: actually I've been using sid for more than three years. So while no way an expert, I don't consider myself a total newbie |
| 16:09.48 | kspath | lazzarello: Yes, I agree. the click-n-twitch admin crowd should not use unstable unless they have their own support people. |
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| 16:11.11 | karma | I am trying to block an ip address with hosts.deny, but it does not seem to be working. I have ALL: 12.12.12.12 in hosts.deny and I have done killall -HUP inetd but the ip is still trying to connect via ftp? Any idea what I am missing? |
| 16:12.16 | kspath | karma: Is your inetd managing ftp connections or is your ftp server running as a stand alone daemon? |
| 16:12.23 | maxb | (1) "trying" to connect? hosts.deny can't stop things trying, but it can stop them succeeding. (2) Does the ftpd in question use TCP wrappers at all? |
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| 16:13.02 | lord_rob | lazzarello: and my "research of the ultimate way to install sid" is mainly of interest for myself, and is not meant as a remplacement for Linspire or other newbie-like distro ;) |
| 16:13.09 | kspath | karma: Does your ftp server support tcp wrappers as maxb asked? |
| 16:13.26 | lazzarello | ultimate...heh. |
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| 16:13.53 | wimp | I'm on debian stable; how do I mount a usb drive (what modules/progs do I need?) |
| 16:13.57 | karma | i am using proftpd and it is listed in inetd.conf with /usr/sbin/tcpd |
| 16:14.04 | lazzarello | wimp, apt-get install pmount |
| 16:14.06 | kspath | karma: TCP wrappers is service level security/protection/restriction. IPtables will will for TCP/IP level restrictions. |
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| 16:14.24 | lord_rob | lazzarello: ultimate meaning "that detects as much hardware as knoppix can" ;) |
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| 16:15.45 | lord_rob | lazzarello: I'm not a windows vista fanatic :p |
| 16:15.49 | kspath | lord_rob: You are making a large assumption that knoppix can detect all the hardware debian can? Just because it detects some hardware you want detected does not equal all/more/most. |
| 16:15.59 | [AGS]Serialkille | sweet i finally automated my adduser |
| 16:15.59 | cahoot | wimp: try /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 16:16.19 | Ranpha | which kernel is best for a thinkpad r31 2.4 or 2.6???? |
| 16:16.36 | jmartens | Ranpha I would go with 2.6 |
| 16:16.38 | kspath | karma: You do not have a constantly running proftpd? |
| 16:16.58 | jmartens | Ranpha: It has much more up to date drivers for all the strange hardware on a laptop. |
| 16:17.08 | karma | kspath: Let me check that |
| 16:17.17 | kspath | karma: What are your logs saying about any connections related to inetd/tcpd/(pro)ftpd? |
| 16:17.24 | galo | hello |
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| 16:17.50 | Ranpha | okay i have debian installed wih the 2.4 kernel....if i use the synaptic manager and select the 2,6 kernel wll it automatic upgrade to 2.6? |
| 16:17.56 | bit0 | hi |
| 16:18.03 | karma | Apr 25 11:20:32 web proftpd[10064]: web.blueridgewebmasters.net (ballofwaxx.com[64.136.56.164]) - Maximum login attempts exceeded. |
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| 16:18.42 | kspath | karma: sounds like your ftpd has a restriction on number of attempted connections in N time periods. |
| 16:18.47 | bit0 | i'm looking for a good database administration tool (best than OpenOffice2.org ), thanks |
| 16:19.13 | kspath | bit0: better than? |
| 16:19.14 | karma | it does...but this person has been filling my logs for about 30 minutes now |
| 16:19.29 | bit0 | kspath, OpenOffice.org-Base |
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| 16:19.34 | rvalles | karma: that's asking for a DDoS |
| 16:19.45 | rvalles | such evil limits :) |
| 16:19.49 | thingfish | Ranpha: pretty much, yes. it'll probably pull in a dep or two, as well. and of course, you'll have to reboot to use the new kernel. |
| 16:19.56 | kspath | bit0: Perhaps you need dbm or cdb or openldap or mysql or better yet postgresql. |
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| 16:20.13 | bit0 | kspath, no, and graphical interface |
| 16:20.24 | bit0 | kspath, graphical interface :) |
| 16:20.51 | kspath | bit0: There are graphical interfaces for many I mentioned. Have you considered GUIs enable the ignorant with pretty pictures? |
| 16:21.15 | bit0 | kspath, ok, ... looking for rekall.. |
| 16:21.22 | kspath | bit0: apt-cache search database |
| 16:21.33 | kspath | bit0: apt-cache search keyword |
| 16:22.08 | bit0 | kspath, http://www.rekallrevealed.org/kbExec.py |
| 16:22.12 | bit0 | kspath, yes, i do ;) |
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| 16:22.21 | kspath | bit0: please do not spam |
| 16:22.40 | kspath | bit0: Did you ask a bogus question to spam a product/tool? |
| 16:23.04 | hanasaki | can someone explain this to me from exim? internet mail is coming through ok.. its just internal mail |
| 16:23.10 | hanasaki | ** root@home.hanaden.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<root@home.hanaden.com>: host cognition.home.hanaden.com [10.1.1.2]: 550 "Invalid domain or IP given in HELO/EHLO : Domain is not RFC2821 compliant" |
| 16:23.21 | bit0 | kspath, sorry... |
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| 16:24.33 | kspath | hanasaki: You would be better off asking in #exim. /join #exim They are the experts. |
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| 16:24.49 | noob_ | I'm having tape drive issues, trying to backup and restore with 'flexbackup' -- anybody familiar with the application? |
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| 16:25.02 | kspath | hanasaki: exim also has many websites and they have a lively mailing list or two. |
| 16:25.35 | bit0 | kspath, no, no... is good product, (in Debian official repository) |
| 16:25.50 | Ranpha | bit confused whcih packages do i need to installe 2.6??? i see header and image.... |
| 16:25.53 | kspath | bit0: If you had an answer why did you ask a question? |
| 16:26.07 | kspath | bit0: Consider using apt-cache search keyword. |
| 16:26.27 | bit0 | kspath, sorry |
| 16:26.40 | sepski | hanasaki, sounds like your helo line contains only your hosrtname and not your FQDN look for hostname or similar in exims config |
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| 16:27.55 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- how do I tar multiple files in a directory while mantaining their permissions? |
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| 16:29.00 | dbron | SexyKen: little p |
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| 16:29.19 | epictetus | heya. |
| 16:29.21 | SexyKen | thanks :-) |
| 16:29.32 | SexyKen | So tar -cfp will work fine right? |
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| 16:30.07 | dbron | SexyKen: looks good |
| 16:30.08 | kspath | SexyKen: I used man tar and searched for perm and found : -p, --same-permissions, --preserve-permissions |
| 16:30.25 | Ranpha | bit confused whcih packages do i need to installe 2.6??? i see header and image....which do i need to select??? |
| 16:30.27 | kspath | SexyKen: You would be amazed what is contained in manpages |
| 16:31.14 | epictetus | I have a php script that runs from apache -- it runs cdrecord (and i have it set up so the www-data user can burn cds).. however it doesn't work with an "unable to allocate memory" error when apache was run automatically at startup |
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| 16:31.21 | mikeConigliaro | hey guys, im playing with debian after having spent a lot if time with gentoo, and i dont quite understand the debian unstable/testing/stable stuff. this appears to be a system wide setting. what if i only want one 'testing' package? |
| 16:31.28 | epictetus | however if i run /etc/init.d/apache2 restart the script runs fine... |
| 16:31.46 | epictetus | trying to figure out the difference between how apache is started at boot and what happens when I restart it that breaks my php |
| 16:32.35 | epictetus | mikeConigliaro: That can be difficult because that package might link to libraries also only available in testing |
| 16:32.47 | epictetus | however it is certainly possible |
| 16:32.48 | mikeConigliaro | epictetus, right, its the same way in gentoo |
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| 16:32.52 | mikeConigliaro | but it tells me |
| 16:32.59 | mikeConigliaro | and i just go and mark the dependencies |
| 16:33.02 | SexyKen | Uh |
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| 16:33.06 | SexyKen | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 16:33.21 | fatal_ | I'm updating my sarge box to kernel 2.6.16... I have the sarge version of udev installed.... AFAIK udev will break, I'm wondering how.... will it break totally (and I won't even be able to boot)? will it not be possible to add custom rules? will the included rules stop working (but is manually fixable without replacing udev)? |
| 16:33.25 | SexyKen | tar -cfp ipei.tar * returns an error saying cannot stat ipei.tar |
| 16:33.28 | SexyKen | That doesn't make sense |
| 16:33.29 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: It is recommended to consider backports before even thinking of mixing stable/testing/unstable at all. |
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| 16:33.31 | SexyKen | it's supposed to create it |
| 16:33.36 | sanmarcos | I updated from hotplug to udev, with hotplug I had non free firmware that was loaded /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, how do I do it with udev? |
| 16:33.46 | dbron | SexyKen: try cpf |
| 16:34.04 | nite613__ | Can someone recommend a tool or technique for making a live disaster recovery image? I do daily backups of important data to tapes, but recovery would still take a re-install. Assuming all my filesystems fit, I'm looking for a way to back up a system image to tape |
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| 16:34.17 | SexyKen | Hrm |
| 16:34.21 | SexyKen | dbron -- Thanks that worked. |
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| 16:34.38 | nite613__ | Something where I could boot a knoppix CD or somesuch and just dd from the tape to the drive or something. |
| 16:34.49 | fatal_ | nite613__: I use tar... you might want something more "sophisticated"... |
| 16:34.49 | nite613__ | dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/st0 doesn't work so well ;) |
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| 16:35.29 | shogunx | nite613__, you might try dump. |
| 16:35.35 | nite613__ | dump, eh? |
| 16:35.53 | shogunx | dump. |
| 16:35.56 | netcat | nite613__: You might want to check out partimage. |
| 16:36.05 | shogunx | and then restore, if necessary. |
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| 16:36.50 | kspath | shogunx: Does not hurt to test restores every month or three to make sure things are working as wanted/expected. Do you agree? |
| 16:36.56 | nite613__ | netcat: partimage woudl do the trick. Does it work on a live FS, though? I want an image of / |
| 16:37.22 | nite613__ | kspath: That's crucial. I can't count how many times I've seen backups that don't restore as expected. |
| 16:37.24 | sanmarcos | I updated from hotplug to udev, with hotplug I had non free firmware that was loaded /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, how do I do it with udev? |
| 16:37.40 | shogunx | kspath well, i wouldn't overwrite a live functional filesystem with a restore, just to test it. |
| 16:38.00 | netcat | nite613__: I have never tried using it on live systems, I usually boot a live CD and use it that way... |
| 16:38.48 | nite613__ | netcat: Yeah, I've used it like that countless times; but this is a production environment and unattended backups |
| 16:39.00 | shogunx | kspath, why would you get bitrot in a disk image? |
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| 16:40.26 | kurumin | perdoe-me sei que esse irc so em ingles so que preciso de ajuda |
| 16:40.29 | netcat | nite613__: Maybe you could use rsync. The first time woudl take a long time but updates should be quick. |
| 16:40.32 | kspath | shogunx: People make assumptions that what they thought shoudl work did work. They also make assumptions that restores will work as wanted/intended and take some amount of time. By actually doing restores every 1-3 months it makes sure reality is let into the environment. |
| 16:40.39 | nite613__ | shogunx: Dependson the medium. On a tape you get bitrot from stretching the tape + temperature changes. On an HD you get bitrot from bumps and drops |
| 16:40.47 | kurumin | alguem fala portugues |
| 16:40.56 | kurumin | brasil pt |
| 16:41.04 | kspath | !t3ll kurumin about br |
| 16:41.10 | kspath | !tell kurumin about br |
| 16:41.19 | kurumin | beleza |
| 16:41.26 | kspath | !tell kurumin about pt |
| 16:41.35 | insta` | Hey guys .. I'm having a problem on a server of mine. It's happened since the install (yesterday). When I reboot it, it detects /dev/hda ... but doesn't say anything about partitions. Then it dumps to busybox, and I have to manually 'insmod ide-disk', then ctrl+d, and it's fine. How can I fix this? |
| 16:41.41 | kspath | kurumin: This is an English channel. |
| 16:41.48 | kurumin | to procurando vc na lista para flar o momento |
| 16:41.59 | shogunx | kspath better to restore to a different volume though. if available. |
| 16:42.07 | sanmarcos | I updated from hotplug to udev, with hotplug I had non free firmware that was loaded /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, how do I do it with udev? |
| 16:42.13 | kspath | shogunx: As long as it is tested. |
| 16:42.16 | lepton | insta`: make it load the module at boot time |
| 16:42.32 | lepton | insta`: see /etc/modules |
| 16:42.40 | shogunx | nite613__ bumps and drops? ouch. |
| 16:42.41 | insta` | :/ It's in etc/modules |
| 16:42.50 | nite613__ | it happens |
| 16:43.19 | lepton | insta`: then start looking in logs/dmesg for the error |
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| 16:43.25 | insta` | k |
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| 16:43.42 | sanmarcos | fuck you all |
| 16:43.53 | lord_rob | aaahhh a troll :) |
| 16:43.58 | Braindead | fuck yeah |
| 16:44.00 | lepton | someone off his meds? |
| 16:44.21 | kspath | lepton: There is a nick "someone"? |
| 16:44.35 | shogunx | kspath of course, if its not a dataset that changes over time, then restore over the live filesystem. no problem. if i had such a static system, however, i would try to write it to a chip. |
| 16:45.10 | kspath | sanmarcos: Are you aware your nick indicated that it wanted to have intercourse with all in #debian? |
| 16:45.16 | shogunx | sanmarcos nah, just fuck udev. |
| 16:45.32 | sanmarcos | shogunx: the concept is great |
| 16:45.36 | sanmarcos | but this shit should just work |
| 16:46.17 | kspath | sanmarcos: You need world dictator powers to make sure everything "Just Works". |
| 16:46.31 | Braindead | sanmarcos: zgrep -i firmware /usr/share/doc/udev/* |
| 16:46.33 | lord_rob | does sarge use hotplug ? If so, I have upgraded smoothly from hotplug to udev |
| 16:46.34 | Braindead | (dumbass) |
| 16:46.36 | shogunx | kspath and then it would only work marginally. |
| 16:46.36 | insta` | lepton: would a pastebin of dmesg help you help me find anything unusual? |
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| 16:46.42 | insta` | I don't see any glaring errors |
| 16:46.53 | sanmarcos | Braindead: ok let me see |
| 16:46.56 | sanmarcos | kspath: I need money for a mac |
| 16:47.00 | kspath | sanmarcos: No matter what you setup/design there will be people/groups that alter it. |
| 16:47.09 | Braindead | /usr/share/doc/udev/NEWS.Debian.gz: Firmwares must be moved to /lib/firmware/ |
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| 16:47.13 | Braindead | guess what? you're dumb. |
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| 16:47.28 | kspath | sanmarcos: For a machine that runs MacOSX which is not free or for a Apple brand machine that runs Debian? |
| 16:47.33 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 16:47.34 | dpkg | bongswat is probably "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 16:47.38 | sanmarcos | /usr/share/doc/udev/NEWS.Debian.gz: Firmwares must be moved to /lib/firmware/ ahh ok, Braindead, if it wasnt for you I never would have known |
| 16:47.42 | sanmarcos | see that is the problem |
| 16:47.51 | Braindead | the problem is the lack of RTFM |
| 16:47.55 | lepton | insta`: sure, fire away |
| 16:48.00 | zinx | sanmarcos: you should read those messages it displays during the install |
| 16:48.07 | sanmarcos | Braindead: where in udev docs does it mention firmware? |
| 16:48.12 | sanmarcos | zinx: udev did not display anything |
| 16:48.17 | sanmarcos | and afaik, let me see if debconf mailed me |
| 16:48.25 | zinx | sanmarcos: interesting, it displays NEWS to me here |
| 16:48.28 | kspath | sanmarcos: /usr/share/doc and manpages and howtos and wikis and tutorials and various are all over the place. Take time to breathe. |
| 16:48.47 | sanmarcos | kspath: really, I dont care what you say, so dont waste your time |
| 16:48.51 | zinx | sanmarcos: maybe you shouldn't be using sid if you don't at least read the NEWS stuff, too ;) |
| 16:49.17 | sanmarcos | zinx: ive been using it for years without reading NEWS just fine |
| 16:49.25 | shogunx | kspath don't forget texinfo |
| 16:49.39 | zinx | sanmarcos: you may try apt-listchanges, i'm not sure if that's required for the display -- it'll display more than just NEWS, though.. it'll display the changelogs |
| 16:49.43 | kspath | shogunx: Thank you. I am actually quite ignorant and I need to learn a lot more. |
| 16:49.53 | zinx | sanmarcos: ja, well, what can i say? you got lucky. |
| 16:49.53 | insta` | lepton: They're at http://insta.pastebin.com/ |
| 16:50.01 | Braindead | yeah. he rants on IRC instead of reading NEWS |
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| 16:50.22 | sanmarcos | zinx: something for which I dont care, yes I got lucky.. anyways, the udev manpage should be updated to say that firmware goes into /lib/firmware |
| 16:50.45 | Braindead | sanmarcos: tell Md about this *g* |
| 16:50.54 | zinx | sanmarcos: file a bug |
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| 16:51.00 | kspath | sanmarcos: submit that/those change(s). |
| 16:51.03 | Braindead | he'll be glad to hear such a rant |
| 16:51.09 | lord_rob | :) |
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| 16:51.28 | sanmarcos | zinx: too long |
| 16:51.31 | insta` | lepton: I have to go for a bit, please PM me if you find anything |
| 16:51.44 | zinx | sanmarcos: don't complain about it if you're not going to file a bug |
| 16:51.55 | zinx | sanmarcos: things get fixed because people know to fix them |
| 16:52.01 | Braindead | he said "fuck you all". dudes he's got *attitude* |
| 16:52.05 | zinx | sanmarcos: when people don't know to fix things, they don't fix them. |
| 16:52.07 | Braindead | he's got no time to file a bug |
| 16:52.13 | sanmarcos | yes, but mine is already fixed, so I could care less |
| 16:52.18 | sanmarcos | indeed Braindead |
| 16:52.31 | sanmarcos | anyways, I have a meeting |
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| 16:52.35 | lord_rob | speaking of bugs, is it possible to report a dummy bug to test reportbug ? I doesn't seem to work for me |
| 16:52.36 | Shadowcat | idiot |
| 16:52.38 | zinx | has time to complain though :/ |
| 16:52.48 | kspath | sanmarcos: Make sure not to share in the meeting either. |
| 16:52.49 | Shadowcat | too bad he didn't stick around |
| 16:52.50 | zinx | lord_rob: 'dummy bug'? |
| 16:52.55 | Shadowcat | or I'd give him one hell of a lecture |
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| 16:53.12 | lord_rob | zinx: submit something to the bts just to make sure reportbug works |
| 16:53.21 | adii | is it possible to run xserver-xorg v.1.7.0 with debian etch (2.6.15-1-686-smp) ? |
| 16:53.31 | Shadowcat | adii: read the topic |
| 16:53.35 | Shadowcat | for crying out loud |
| 16:53.36 | zinx | lord_rob: oh, don't think so, unless there's a package designated for that (i don't think there is) |
| 16:53.51 | Braindead | Shadowcat: just shake your fists towards his general direction |
| 16:53.51 | Braindead | I'm already farting over there |
| 16:53.58 | lord_rob | zinx: reportbug maybe ? |
| 16:54.07 | lord_rob | reportbug reportbug |
| 16:54.09 | lord_rob | :) |
| 16:54.14 | Shadowcat | reportbug lord_rob |
| 16:54.16 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 16:54.21 | zinx | lord_rob: nope, that would be a bug filed against reportbug |
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| 16:54.28 | shogunx | !lart adii |
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| 16:54.35 | adii | yea yea okay |
| 16:54.36 | gnufan | lord_rob: hehe -- still yesterdays "killall stress" is a better command I feel |
| 16:54.42 | adii | sorry :x |
| 16:54.48 | lord_rob | zinx: it kind of is, as I cant use reportbug to ehm.. report bugs |
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| 16:54.59 | Zunix | hi all |
| 16:55.11 | Faithful | etch just install lilo by default instead of grub what is the story there? |
| 16:55.15 | noob_ | anybody have buffer problems while trying to backup/restore with flexbackup? |
| 16:55.23 | Shadowcat | Faithful: etch does not instal lilo b default |
| 16:55.27 | Shadowcat | by* |
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| 16:55.33 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 16:55.37 | Faithful | Shad0wcat: it just did |
| 16:55.40 | Shadowcat | damn wireless keyboard |
| 16:55.44 | Shadowcat | Faithful: it doesn't |
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| 16:56.09 | Braindead | wireless kbds and mouses only add more entropy to the universe |
| 16:56.09 | lord_rob | Faithful: are you sure you did not install woody ? |
| 16:56.19 | Faithful | Shadowcat: I have no need to argue about what just happened |
| 16:56.20 | zinx | lord_rob: you can use the site to report bugs however |
| 16:56.28 | kspath | Shadowcat: Your keyboard does not contain any wires at all? |
| 16:56.29 | backz | anybody was make RAID1 with mdadm following this guide: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html ? |
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| 16:56.41 | Shadowcat | kspath: this is a wireless keyboard |
| 16:56.44 | Faithful | It could be because I am using LVM perhaps... |
| 16:56.48 | zinx | lord_rob: and there are bugs that don't affect how the program works -- and you could be reporting against a different version -- and so on ; |
| 16:56.56 | Shadowcat | if I have to many wires between it and the receiver it sometimes drops keystrokes |
| 16:57.02 | Shadowcat | gotta get a bluetooth headset |
| 16:57.03 | kspath | Shadowcat: open it up. I will bet you there are wires in it. ;-) |
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| 16:57.22 | Faithful | it is the same netboot etch I used yesterday and it did grub then... |
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| 16:57.36 | lord_rob | yes zinx I know but reportbug is cooler as it includes a lot of useful information when reporting a bug. I suspect the problem is linked to my MTA. How could I check that ? |
| 16:57.39 | Faithful | and I didn't even get an option |
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| 16:57.54 | zinx | lord_rob: try sending email to yourself |
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| 16:58.26 | zinx | lord_rob: a lot of ISPs block traffic to port 25 fwiw.. you may need to send through your ISP's SMTP server |
| 16:58.29 | Braindead | lord_rob: you really should have a mail-transport-agent. you don't need a fatass exim or postfix? use nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 16:58.32 | nite613__ | Anyone know if Mondo plays well with DRBD volumes? There's all sorts of info about LVM, but none about Mondo + DRBD |
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| 16:58.38 | Shadowcat | kspath: don't make me use this WinME cd! |
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| 16:59.26 | shogunx | zinx most of them block residential accounts via a rbl. |
| 16:59.55 | lord_rob | Braindead: does ssmtp or nullmailer work with reportbug ? |
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| 17:00.20 | Braindead | yep. they just do pure relaying. that's just what you need |
| 17:00.31 | Braindead | relaying on your ISP's SMTP |
| 17:00.41 | lord_rob | nice |
| 17:00.58 | MatBoy | Can someon provide me the HorzSync and the VertSync parameters of a Acer1715 for xorg ? |
| 17:01.01 | kspath | lord_rob: Does your ISP require authentication before smtp ? |
| 17:01.26 | sepski | MatBoy, www.acer.com under the pdf of the screen |
| 17:01.34 | Braindead | MatBoy: xresprobe should do the job |
| 17:01.42 | MatBoy | sepski, tried that, couldn;t find it in that doc |
| 17:01.43 | lord_rob | kspath: I don't think so as I use it to send emails that "come from" my different email addresses |
| 17:01.50 | Faithful | So I have 4 x 120GB in an LVM Group mounted as 480GB of disk... what happens when one disk dies? |
| 17:01.52 | kspath | MatBoy: That is something that the specifications will show and yes Acer should have the specs. |
| 17:01.54 | MatBoy | Braindead, ok, I will try that ! |
| 17:02.45 | lord_rob | Braindead: Out of nullmailer or ssmtp which one would you recommend ? |
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| 17:04.08 | sepski | lord_rob, exim-ligth the default in debian |
| 17:04.19 | Braindead | lord_rob: personally I use nullmailer since I need no AUTH |
| 17:04.29 | nite613__ | Faithful: Last I checked... you lose it all |
| 17:04.34 | nite613__ | You may want a second opinion |
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| 17:04.47 | sepski | Faithful, afaik you loose all data |
| 17:04.58 | lord_rob | ok I'll try nullmailer then thanks Braindead |
| 17:05.09 | kspath | lose as in gone or loose as in not tight? |
| 17:05.37 | lord_rob | sepski: the time I installed sid, the default mta was sendmail ;) |
| 17:05.43 | sepski | kspath, if i meant not tight i'd say all your data becomes loose. |
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| 17:05.57 | ax9 | whats the package manager called on 3.1, e.g. YaST on suse? |
| 17:06.00 | sepski | lord_rob, i had to compile my own |
| 17:06.11 | sepski | lord_rob, to get sql integration |
| 17:06.14 | MatBoy | OK, I have the right Frequency it seems... still stripes on my monitors :( |
| 17:06.17 | Faithful | Ok ... it is only a backup... means they lose their incremental stuff, anyhow even if it only lost some... the way the backup is they would lose all anyway. |
| 17:06.34 | kspath | sepski: i was saying that for the benefit of any non-native English read/write (ers). |
| 17:06.51 | Web-Kanotix958 | hi, when i install software per apt and the connection brakes, and i repeat the command for install it continiues with the olöd download or have i old data waste on my hd? |
| 17:06.55 | sepski | kspath, like me :) |
| 17:07.09 | sepski | Web-Kanotix958, it should resume on the data |
| 17:07.38 | Web-Kanotix958 | ok thx sepski and do you know what this means? (it is in german) |
| 17:07.39 | sepski | Web-Kanotix958, after you install a package you will have the packed package taking up space read man apt-get about clean and autoclean to remove them |
| 17:07.40 | Web-Kanotix958 | WARNUNG: Die folgenden Pakete können nicht authentifiziert werden! |
| 17:07.49 | sepski | Web-Kanotix958, i dont know german |
| 17:08.03 | kspath | !tell Web-Kanotix958 about thx |
| 17:08.06 | sepski | that auth* thing makes me think it's something about apt-secure |
| 17:08.09 | ax9 | DO i really need to download all 14 CD's ????? |
| 17:08.15 | sepski | ax9, no |
| 17:08.20 | kspath | ax9: netinstall is great |
| 17:08.21 | Web-Kanotix958 | it means warning, the following packages can't be identified! |
| 17:08.29 | Web-Kanotix958 | thx i will read the manual |
| 17:08.40 | kspath | ax9: Assuming you have an internet connection. |
| 17:08.41 | sepski | ax9, i only use the 110MB netinstaller. |
| 17:08.55 | ax9 | kspath: how does netinstall work? |
| 17:09.00 | sepski | ax9, the first cd goes a long way |
| 17:09.06 | kspath | ax9: try it. |
| 17:09.09 | ax9 | i just download that small CD ? |
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| 17:09.13 | tarzeau | Qcam not found but: [42949384.610000] quickcam: QuickCam USB camera found (driver version QuickCam USB 0.6.3 $Date: 2005/04/15 19:32:49 $) |
| 17:09.28 | tarzeau | someone else got a quickcam and quickcam.ko with 2.6 and it works? |
| 17:09.29 | kspath | ax9: If you have a cable or DSL or even ISDN it should be relatively quick. |
| 17:09.48 | Web-Kanotix958 | !tell |
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| 17:09.59 | Braindead | tarzeau: I've got a Labtec crappy cam and it works |
| 17:10.01 | ax9 | kspath, so i only download that minimal CD ? |
| 17:10.04 | kspath | ax9: That small iso. Yes. I got both the 110MB and the larger 200MB one for a few reasons. |
| 17:10.20 | tarzeau | Braindead: why does xqcam says not found? |
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| 17:10.57 | ax9 | so i only get the 180 mb iso and then the rest is done over the web? |
| 17:10.58 | kspath | ax9: This is of course assuming you are not charged by kilobyte or have no internet connection or only a 33.6Kbit connection. |
| 17:11.03 | Braindead | tarzeau: wrong device ? |
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| 17:11.23 | Braindead | tarzeau: anyway I'm using qc-usb-source to compile the modules |
| 17:11.29 | kspath | ax9: Over the internet. Yes. Web is http a particular protocol. |
| 17:11.39 | Braindead | the interweb |
| 17:11.47 | Braindead | interweb == pr0n |
| 17:11.56 | ax9 | i have 1 Mbps ADSL |
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| 17:12.10 | tarzeau | tvtime -d/dev/video1 says Logitech QuickCam USB: Invalid argument |
| 17:12.10 | kspath | ax9: That should do fine. |
| 17:12.23 | tarzeau | and no signal :( |
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| 17:12.30 | ax9 | its unlimited data allowence, but all p2p is choked down to 20 KB/s |
| 17:12.43 | kspath | ax9: It is not P2P crap. |
| 17:12.51 | Braindead | and no pr0n too |
| 17:12.56 | kspath | either |
| 17:13.16 | kspath | ax9: Braindead was saying that it is not pr0n either. |
| 17:13.40 | shogunx | ax9 even bittorrent? |
| 17:13.54 | Braindead | *especially* bittorrent is shaped |
| 17:13.58 | shogunx | ax9 or if you change up the ports? |
| 17:13.58 | lord_rob | I'm configuring nullmailer, and I'm asked "Please enter the mail name of your system:". Do I type a real email address (like someone@gmail.com) ? Or is it an internal mail address (like me@localhost) ? |
| 17:14.58 | kspath | lord_rob: It is asking you for a name for your system like a hostname or domain name? |
| 17:15.05 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 17:15.09 | Braindead | lord_rob: nullmailer should only ask you: -your smtp(s) -the mail address to send cron logs to |
| 17:15.16 | tarzeau | nethack lessons for the masses |
| 17:15.16 | Braindead | to simplify the matter |
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| 17:15.23 | backz | I'm running RAID1 with mdadm, when I turn off the sda or sdb (my sata hds) and try to boot from RAID it return Kernel Panic... is it normal ? |
| 17:15.36 | kurumin | alguem brasil |
| 17:15.45 | shogunx | tarzeau, a nethack user group:) |
| 17:15.46 | kspath | !tell kurumin about br |
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| 17:16.17 | tarzeau | shogunx: where? there's #nethack |
| 17:16.33 | Baldomero | hello |
| 17:16.39 | mikeConigliaro | why cant i find any information on debian's release schedule? |
| 17:16.49 | mikeConigliaro | did they resolve that 'issue?' |
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| 17:17.05 | hyksos | backz :kernel panic is never normal, also no system is booting , or? |
| 17:17.05 | shogunx | tarzeau, don't know... just imagined it. |
| 17:17.05 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: It is not exactly scheduled. It is ready when it is ready. |
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| 17:17.21 | mikeConigliaro | kspath, hopefully more often than every 2 years |
| 17:17.22 | Baldomero | I am under sid, and since last week, when I send something to cups under kde to print, it doesn't get printed, instead gs-esp remains eating cpu untill I kill it |
| 17:17.26 | mikeConigliaro | or whatever |
| 17:17.36 | Baldomero | has anyone seen this? I have searched but found nothing |
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| 17:17.54 | Braindead | mikeConigliaro: get Ubuntu. |
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| 17:18.07 | javier | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.09 | Fox_1_ | hi all. which webmail package do you advice for virtual mail servers? |
| 17:18.10 | kspath | Baldomero: did you report the bug or search for a bug report ? |
| 17:18.24 | mikeConigliaro | Braindead, im investigating distros for server use |
| 17:18.27 | Baldomero | that is what I am doing now, but I don't see anything... |
| 17:18.36 | mikeConigliaro | i thought ubuntu was geared towards desktops |
| 17:18.46 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: Debian Stable/Sarge |
| 17:18.47 | Fox_1_ | and which is easy to configure:) |
| 17:19.07 | stew | Fox_1_: squirrelmail |
| 17:19.18 | Braindead | mikeConigliaro: there's ubuntu-server. but we're going offtopic,sorry |
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| 17:20.10 | mikeConigliaro | im trying to decide between centos and debian, and the thing that scares me about debian is the release schedule (or lack of one) |
| 17:20.10 | zrin | establishing a TCP connection from my new sarge box lasts long (over 4s) even to local machines ... what could that be? it's not DNS, because it is not faster when the ip address is given. |
| 17:20.14 | Fox_1_ | stew, does it take mails from Maildir? |
| 17:20.20 | kspath | Fox_1_: You should drag out other vague and relative restrictions/specifications every few minutes. |
| 17:20.23 | stew | Fox_1_: no it takes them from an imap server |
| 17:20.32 | bbrazil | zrin: trying v6 first? |
| 17:20.33 | backz | hyksos, if one of my two sata-hd of RAID1 is down... the only way to boot is using "boot without RAID1", it uses root=/dev/sda1 on grub. In RAID mode, it uses root=/dev/md0 on grub. |
| 17:20.50 | zrin | bbrazil: possibly ... how can I find out? |
| 17:21.39 | bbrazil | zrin: try telnet -4 vs. telnet -6 |
| 17:21.39 | kspath | Fox_1_: Have you considered creating a file with all your wants and needs so you can pastebin when someone will ask? |
| 17:21.39 | hyksos | backz :how much hds are in your raid1 ? |
| 17:21.39 | backz | hyksos, two |
| 17:21.40 | nite613__ | mikeConigliaro: Each release of Debian is make "when it's ready". Not having very frequent releases is really no big deal provided the software does what you want and has security fixes |
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| 17:21.40 | nite613__ | If it ain't broke; don't upgrade it. ;) |
| 17:21.46 | Fox_1_ | kspath, i don't understand your questions. sorry:) |
| 17:22.05 | kspath | Fox_1_: This is an English channel. |
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| 17:22.34 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: You might have to ask yourself if the server is the OS and core tools or is it the applications that run on top. |
| 17:22.41 | hyksos | backz :if one down , it can only use one, so sda1 is be used or sdb1, but whats exactly your question? you boot only one hd and it returns kernel-panic, if you boot with raid1-mode its ok? |
| 17:22.43 | carbon60 | I need to have /usr/bin/mail & /usr/sbin/sendmail link to binaries of my SMTP daemon residing in /opt. I'm looking at the alternatives system and it's confusing me. What is the appropriate way to achieve this? |
| 17:22.44 | ax9 | kspath yes ALL p2p is choked to 20 KB/s |
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| 17:23.08 | Supaplex | mikeConigliaro the main thing that use to worry me about rpm distros is the upgrade hell. but I ditched all that ages ago. :) |
| 17:23.10 | mikeConigliaro | nite613__, i agree with you, but im stuck in a situation with sles9 right now where most packages are horribly outdated, and i dont want to be in that situation again |
| 17:23.13 | Fox_1_ | kspath, i know, that's why i'm trying to write in english |
| 17:23.44 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: Today "people" are blurring it to try to put everything on top of apache. Is the OS and core tools the server or is it particular daemons running on top of that. |
| 17:24.06 | engie | Whilst I'm aware this isn't #ubuntu - I wonder if anyone can help! I'm trying to remove a package that is a dependency of another package, without removing that package and without apt prodding me every 5 mins to reinstall it. Is this possible? Can I remove a package and tell apt not to nag me about it? |
| 17:24.28 | ax9 | kspath does the Netinstaller minimal CD work over 802.11g PCI card |
| 17:24.30 | hyksos | engie :why do you want to remove it? |
| 17:24.34 | Fox_1_ | stew, which do you advice for Maildir email server? |
| 17:24.34 | Marc | I am compiling my kernel the debian way (linux-source-ver) and using make-kpkg buildpackage. I also want to add the nvidia-kernel-legacy drivers. Can I do make-kpkg --added_modules nvidia-kernel-legacy (which is in the /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-legacy) ? |
| 17:24.50 | kspath | engie: Yes, it is possible. Read about apt and dpkg. It is not a good idea. |
| 17:25.21 | kspath | ax9: the netinstall works over a TCP/IP connection to the internet. |
| 17:25.59 | engie | hyksos: On dapper, the new version of NetworkManager disagrees with my network card (in that it only works through wpasupplicant, and that won't even talk WEP with my card.) So I want to use the 0.5.1 release of NetworkManager - but ubuntu-minimal depends on 0.6.1 networkmanager and the suitable wpasupplicant module. |
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| 17:26.05 | stew | Fox_1_: dovecot-imapd |
| 17:26.14 | nite613__ | mikeConigliaro: Well Debian stable does tend to get "horribly out of date" eventually; but like I said, that really doesn't matter at all if it accomplishes your needs. Are you deciding between Debian and Centos of business or personal use? |
| 17:26.24 | mikeConigliaro | business |
| 17:26.28 | kspath | ax9: 802.11g is a wireless protocol and you did not specify which manufacturer/company produced the card? |
| 17:26.33 | backz | hyksos, if two hd is on... booting from RAID1 its ok. I've grub installed on both hard-disk too.. but, if a turn off a hd, the only way to boot it is from root=/dev/sda1 |
| 17:26.51 | nite613__ | mikeConigliaro: Then there is nothing wrong with having "outdated" stable packages with security updates. The more outdated, the more stable and predictable |
| 17:27.16 | ax9 | kspath i dont understand which iso file to download. |
| 17:27.19 | Shadowcat | hah centos |
| 17:27.22 | Shadowcat | red hat sucks |
| 17:27.26 | hyksos | backz :sda2 doesnt't work? then the mirroring, which is raid1, is working wrong |
| 17:27.36 | Shadowcat | and to be quite honest, debian is a hell of a lot more up to date |
| 17:27.39 | mikeConigliaro | nite613__, sometimes old packages prevent you from installing new things that you need |
| 17:27.42 | Shadowcat | than say, Microsoft Windows XP |
| 17:27.44 | kspath | ax9: There are two netinstall iso. Do whatever feels right. |
| 17:27.48 | Shadowcat | which is over five years old |
| 17:27.51 | marcool | Shad0wcat: comment's sort of out of place ? |
| 17:28.03 | Shadowcat | no not really |
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| 17:28.13 | ax9 | kspath im installing it to an i686 machine, which 1 ? |
| 17:28.16 | Shadowcat | people always complain debian's out of date when M$'s flagship is five years old |
| 17:28.21 | Shadowcat | and I don't see people whining about that |
| 17:28.27 | marcool | well red hat might suck in your oppinion (and in mine by the way ;-) but that's nothing to be said here ! |
| 17:28.32 | kspath | ax9: Which one do you want to read about on the debian.org web site? |
| 17:28.53 | Marc | are there any good kernel patchsets I should consider for a workstation/desktop? |
| 17:29.00 | ax9 | i want to do a netinstall to save downloading all 14 discs |
| 17:29.01 | hyksos | Shadowcat :but the tools for xp are not out of date |
| 17:29.03 | marcool | HELP : what's the best way to go about updating a kernel under Debian ? |
| 17:29.05 | backz | hyksos, when only sda or sdb is running, and I try to boot with RAID (using root=/dev/md0) it returns KERNEL PANIC |
| 17:29.13 | stew | marcool: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 17:29.14 | Fox_1_ | it's a mail server. I need web interface for my mail server. And what are you think about sqwebmail? |
| 17:29.23 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: i hate it |
| 17:29.24 | kspath | ax9: You should read about netinstall CDs in that case/situation. |
| 17:29.30 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: why not just use a mail client? |
| 17:29.35 | karma | kspath: thanks for the help a little while ago.... proftpd was running standalone... all is well now :) Thanks |
| 17:29.40 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau, hi, why? |
| 17:29.43 | tarzeau | Marc: i'd just use a stock kernel |
| 17:29.51 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau, because:) |
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| 17:29.57 | stew | Fox_1_: which imap server are you using? if you are using courier-imap i might consider sqwebmail, but still think squirrelmail is nicer |
| 17:30.04 | Marc | tarzeau: hmm wondering about -ck |
| 17:30.06 | kspath | karma: I was not only one helping. There was at least one other. Thank you for the thank you though. |
| 17:30.06 | hyksos | backz :hmm, i dont really know , sorry |
| 17:30.14 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: mail clients are much more efficient. and all web browsers suck |
| 17:30.26 | tarzeau | Marc: try it :) |
| 17:30.31 | backz | hyksos, look it: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html - on "Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst", it says to do two news grub options. Disc1 and Disc2, using the same root=/dev/md0 |
| 17:30.33 | tarzeau | Marc: haven't used them |
| 17:30.47 | tarzeau | Marc: we use supermount at work |
| 17:30.56 | nStensen | how do I get a list of all packages installed on a machine? |
| 17:31.04 | Marc | nStensen: dpkg -l * |
| 17:31.07 | nStensen | thanks |
| 17:31.09 | ax9 | kspath: i am still confused |
| 17:31.14 | kspath | karma: you can try /lastlog karma and you might see the other persons that tried to help. |
| 17:31.26 | mikeConigliaro | is it safe for me to run a server under the 'testing' branch? |
| 17:31.32 | mikeConigliaro | production server i should say |
| 17:31.33 | kspath | ax9: Ok |
| 17:31.53 | Marc | tarzeau: yeah the thing is that I dont know if the patchsets out there will apply cleanly to a debian patched kernel |
| 17:32.00 | mikeConigliaro | im interested in something i saw here: http://toykeeper.net/soapbox/debian-redhat/ |
| 17:32.01 | sepski | mikeConigliaro, safe? it takes more manpower and vigilance to keep it secure compared to sarge, but if you have the time and knowledge of how you can run as server on etch yes |
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| 17:32.12 | tarzeau | Marc: supermount or what? try it and look for *.rej files? |
| 17:32.16 | Marc | tarzeau: and supermount is superfluous now with udev |
| 17:32.19 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: not really safe. it might work fine for some time but it is testing. |
| 17:32.23 | tarzeau | Marc: it's usually not so hard to fix it. what kernel version are we talking about? |
| 17:32.29 | tarzeau | Marc: no supermoutn is not superfluoous |
| 17:32.31 | mikeConigliaro | in the 'upgrade patterns' section |
| 17:32.35 | Ranpha | He guys..i'm trying to get my wifi 3com PC-card to work . I used madwifi and linuxant. But have the same problem he sees the card but nothing happens. I did a dmesg at ik get this error Erro -38 setting tx power (0).....is this a prolem? |
| 17:32.38 | mikeConigliaro | this reminds me of gentoo |
| 17:32.40 | Marc | tarzeau: no, no I was just making a point, havent tried it |
| 17:32.48 | tarzeau | Marc: otherwise we wouldn't use it |
| 17:32.52 | mikeConigliaro | since gentoo is basically 'versionless' |
| 17:33.06 | Marc | tarzeau: what patchset do you use? |
| 17:33.10 | tarzeau | but since i'm the hater of all removable media. don't ask me what the exact reason was, but i can check it with the guy who knows |
| 17:33.19 | hyksos | backz : i cant help ya, sorry,ask the channel again |
| 17:33.22 | tarzeau | Marc: we've fixed the supermount for the latest 2.6 at work |
| 17:33.41 | tarzeau | Marc: there's was some half updated one of the 2.4.3x to 2.6.x and now we got it for 2.6.16.1 or so |
| 17:33.57 | backz | hyksos, ok, thankyou |
| 17:34.06 | Marc | tarzeau: not many people use supermount, afaik |
| 17:34.08 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: Do not tell the people that print the numbers on the CDs as to a "version" of gentoo. |
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| 17:34.17 | tarzeau | Marc: true, but we do. albeit i don't like it really |
| 17:34.19 | marcool | HELP : why does apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 want to REMOVE hotplug and INSTALL udev ?? |
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| 17:34.32 | tarzeau | Marc: but then having to have root rights for mounting stuff is bad stuff too |
| 17:34.38 | tarzeau | Marc: ever read the unix haters handbook? |
| 17:34.53 | kspath | mikeConigliaro: It is all the same just different terminology and shades of meaning. |
| 17:34.53 | Marc | tarzeau: no, I dont hate unix just yet |
| 17:34.54 | azeem | marcool: hotplug is deprecated |
| 17:34.55 | hyksos | marcool :what sources do you use? |
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| 17:35.08 | tarzeau | Marc: oh i don't either. but the book is fun! |
| 17:35.10 | Marc | marcool: udev is the new thing |
| 17:35.19 | jethro | tarzeau: you can mount stuff as user with the appropriate fstab can't you? |
| 17:35.19 | marcool | I use ftp2.fr.debian.org |
| 17:35.20 | marcool | testing |
| 17:35.29 | marcool | ehm ... |
| 17:35.30 | Marc | tarzeau: anyways, -beyond seems a little to specific, ill go with -ck, thanks :) |
| 17:35.34 | tarzeau | jethro: uhm... "yes" |
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| 17:35.44 | marcool | so if I let apt go ahead it won't be a problem ? |
| 17:35.45 | hyksos | marcool :then all answers of the others should be right |
| 17:35.50 | pygi | ok, people I need opinion from you |
| 17:35.58 | tarzeau | jethro: what about multiuser systems |
| 17:36.03 | tarzeau | jethro: and usb hardware? |
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| 17:36.08 | pygi | what do you like more: apt & synaptic or Smart? |
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| 17:36.16 | pygi | PLEASE DO ANSWER, very important it is |
| 17:36.17 | hyksos | pygi :aptitude |
| 17:36.18 | Marc | tarzeau: my removable usb keys gets mounted with udev, (which messages hal, which in turn messages gnome to mount it), but I see where supermount fits in |
| 17:36.31 | marcool | pygi: apt ! |
| 17:36.31 | jethro | tarzeau: I fail to see what the problem is |
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| 17:36.42 | Marc | pygi: apt, synaptic, aptitude, depends |
| 17:36.44 | jethro | tarzeau: I agree it can be easier with supermount though |
| 17:36.47 | Marc | mostly apt though |
| 17:36.50 | engie | Hi. Does anyone know a good advanced apt reference? The man page is pretty much a stub, and the apt-manual only covers the basics as far as I can see |
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| 17:36.55 | tarzeau | jethro: we only use supermoutn for cd/floppy |
| 17:37.17 | tarzeau | and i can not believe, there's still people using floppy for more than making floppy enterprise starships |
| 17:37.18 | jethro | tarzeau: so why do you ask about usb? :p |
| 17:37.20 | pygi | Marc: so basicly, you don't like Smart? |
| 17:37.28 | tarzeau | jethro: we've had a very hard time with usb |
| 17:37.41 | Marc | pygi: dont know what it is, and couldnt care |
| 17:37.47 | tarzeau | jethro: with so many different variants of it. you need to figure out what user to give the permission for the device |
| 17:37.48 | jethro | tarzeau: what was the problem? user foo would be able to access user bar's stick? |
| 17:37.50 | pygi | Marc: oki, thanks |
| 17:37.54 | tarzeau | jethro: yes |
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| 17:38.16 | ax9 | is that what i download: "Official netinst images for the "stable" release" ???? |
| 17:38.29 | jethro | ax9: you miss a couple of '?' |
| 17:38.45 | kspath | ax9: You should try that. |
| 17:38.48 | ax9 | thanks |
| 17:39.09 | jethro | tarzeau: so how did you solve this problem ? |
| 17:39.11 | ax9 | is it self-explanitory to do a netinst ? |
| 17:39.13 | Fox_1_ | and what about neomail? |
| 17:39.47 | kspath | ax9: For some people. Others have trouble with everything in any installer for any OS or application. |
| 17:39.59 | tarzeau | jethro: we have graphical login. when gui logged in the user is added to the floppy/cdrom groups |
| 17:40.05 | tarzeau | jethro: and removed when logging out |
| 17:40.09 | tarzeau | jethro: don't laugh :) |
| 17:40.15 | jethro | :) |
| 17:40.35 | jethro | tarzeau: why not leave them in the appropriate groups for ever? |
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| 17:40.46 | tarzeau | jethro: huh? |
| 17:40.52 | tarzeau | jethro: there's 1500 users on 150 workstations |
| 17:40.55 | tarzeau | jethro: get the point? |
| 17:40.58 | jethro | tarzeau: it's only when they use the graphical login? |
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| 17:41.13 | tarzeau | jethro: yes. or another user can remote login and access foreign files on usb device? |
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| 17:41.18 | tarzeau | jethro: you know. fat!? |
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| 17:41.23 | jethro | :] |
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| 17:41.27 | jethro | ok nevermind then |
| 17:41.31 | tarzeau | jethro: sweety |
| 17:41.43 | tarzeau | jethro: hey wait, where do i know you from? |
| 17:41.44 | jethro | tarzeau: why don't you prevent remote logins? :D |
| 17:41.54 | tarzeau | jethro: because our users are worldwide? |
| 17:41.54 | jethro | tarzeau: I used to idle here long time ago :) |
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| 17:42.12 | jethro | tarzeau: and we used to play bub'nbros :p |
| 17:42.14 | tarzeau | jethro: you're not TEH jethro of tdmc? |
| 17:42.19 | tarzeau | ahhhh teh bnb jethro |
| 17:42.22 | jethro | :] |
| 17:43.08 | action09 | hi all |
| 17:44.24 | kspath | tarzeau: time division modulation? |
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| 17:44.46 | kspath | err multiplex |
| 17:44.54 | kspath | sorry my bwain is scrambled |
| 17:45.12 | action09 | i have a question, i can't deinstall netkit-inetd without deinstalling 'netbase' / 'lftp' ? i see they depend on.. i decided to remove them anyway, and to reinstall netbase, i'm proposed to install openbsd-inetd :/ ho can i remove the inetd packages without uninstalling some vital or desired other packages (netbase/lftp) |
| 17:45.14 | action09 | please |
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| 17:45.42 | Rug | during apt-get update, What would cause this error msg: xxxxxxxxxxx/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
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| 17:46.58 | egg_ | hey |
| 17:47.01 | egg_ | whats that funny gentoo command |
| 17:47.02 | Rug | Hiya |
| 17:47.04 | egg_ | i wanna show my buddy |
| 17:47.09 | egg_ | !! gentooize |
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| 17:47.17 | egg_ | ?? gentooize |
| 17:47.32 | egg_ | crap, its some funny thing about gentoo |
| 17:47.41 | egg_ | like how you gota compile it for 5 hours then it doesnt run any faster |
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| 17:47.46 | jethro | !gentoosmite egg_ |
| 17:47.53 | egg_ | HAHA yeah |
| 17:47.54 | egg_ | beauty |
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| 17:48.04 | action09 | !gentoosmite egg_ |
| 17:48.11 | egg_ | !gentoosmite C0degen |
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| 17:48.26 | action09 | lol |
| 17:48.33 | stew | egg_: if you want to play with the bots, please do it in /msg or #debian-bots |
| 17:48.37 | cahoot | !lol |
| 17:48.37 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 17:49.01 | egg_ | stew: okiedoke |
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| 17:49.28 | mikeConigliaro | anyone care to comment on the 'upgrade patterns' section of this? http://toykeeper.net/soapbox/debian-redhat/ it looks like you'd have to run testing/unstable in order to get this smooth transition between versions |
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| 17:49.58 | jethro | bah I miss the lamer on line in the lol factoid |
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| 17:50.15 | Zunix | #gentoofr |
| 17:50.29 | Zunix | oops sorry |
| 17:50.45 | jelly-ho | lamer on what? |
| 17:50.53 | cahoot | right |
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| 17:51.10 | Rug | I have d'loaded an entire mirror (rsync'd every night), I have altered my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the 'new' mirror. But when I apt-get update, I get a gzip error. |
| 17:52.00 | stew | Rug: sounds like a broken mirror |
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| 17:52.21 | Rug | but it only errors on the Sources.gz file |
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| 17:52.54 | RvGaTe | good evening people |
| 17:52.59 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, what vga=xxxx value should I for a old video card that supports 800x600 as maximum? |
| 17:53.00 | myren | god fucking damned it son of a bitch |
| 17:53.09 | myren | i've tried samba, cifs, sshfs |
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| 17:53.11 | Rug | myren: well hello to you too! |
| 17:53.22 | Rug | myren: NFS is the path |
| 17:53.37 | myren | anything that gives me unix permissions for mounting a filesystem willnot properly let me remap uid's |
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| 17:53.55 | samuel | anyone know what file/package contains the gdi printer driver for cups in debian? |
| 17:53.58 | myren | i suppose i could bribe my sysadmin into installing NFS for me |
| 17:54.03 | crazy_penguin | SonnyBurnett: 0x314 or 788 decimal |
| 17:54.22 | myren | I'm this close to changing my uid# to 1017 and being done with the whole damned fiasco |
| 17:54.44 | SonnyBurnett | crazy_penguin, Thanks, how do you know those values? is there a table where can I see all of them? |
| 17:55.00 | crazy_penguin | SonnyBurnett: look for the mode numbers in kernel docs |
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| 17:55.42 | stew | SonnyBurnett: hwinfo --framebuffer |
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| 17:56.41 | lepton | mikeConigliaro: I'd be swayed more if he had actual numbers. he's making a fuzzy, pseudo-mathematical argument |
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| 17:57.09 | Marc | should usb support be built as a module or built in? |
| 17:57.20 | mikeConigliaro | lepton, im just interested in how he says you dont need to reinstall for an upgrade |
| 17:57.40 | mikeConigliaro | thats one of the best things about gentoo |
| 17:57.48 | Shadowcat | lol gentoo |
| 17:57.49 | Shadowcat | ya |
| 17:57.51 | lepton | mikeConigliaro: you don't. the IT guy her where I work has thanked me multiple times for pointing him to debian |
| 17:57.59 | arunkumaran | hello channel |
| 17:58.00 | Shadowcat | if you want to spend 40 hours recompiling the system |
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| 17:58.03 | lepton | s/her/here/ |
| 17:58.28 | arunkumaran | im not new to linux...but definitely not a confident user |
| 17:58.44 | mlowe | what happened to mjpegtools? |
| 17:58.50 | insta` | I love the ignorance surrounding Gentoo, especially by people who don't use it. |
| 17:58.52 | arunkumaran | im actively suing windows 98 |
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| 17:59.04 | arunkumaran | should i move to gentoo/debian |
| 17:59.06 | mikeConigliaro | insta`, just ignore them =) |
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| 17:59.33 | Shadowcat | I use both |
| 17:59.41 | insta` | I do too. |
| 17:59.45 | Shadowcat | and gentoo can be a lot more of a pain if you screw up |
| 17:59.48 | jethro | insta`: and do you like constructive criticism from people who tried it and didn't like it? |
| 17:59.50 | Shadowcat | even more so than debian unstable |
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| 18:00.09 | myren | make-kpkg, why are you failing me |
| 18:00.12 | Shadowcat | if you have the wrong use flags you can sit there for hours wondering why things aren't working |
| 18:00.13 | insta` | jethro: I don't need constructive criticism ... I know what pains Gentoo /can/ be, I run it on 3 of my machines at home. |
| 18:00.28 | liz | to each their own. I have my reasons for like debian |
| 18:00.33 | Shadowcat | insta`: then you know it's definately not for a slow machine |
| 18:00.45 | myren | mv: cannot move `scripts/package/Makefile' to `scripts/package/Makefile.dist': Operation not permitted |
| 18:00.48 | Shadowcat | you need a relatively new machine to be able to install that in an acceptable amount of time |
| 18:00.50 | insta` | Shadowcat: it can be, I use it on a P133 at home for a router. |
| 18:00.56 | myren | frraaak you, i moved thatnmakefile fine jackass |
| 18:00.58 | jethro | insta`: I was just pointing out the narrowmindedness of your comment :p |
| 18:01.00 | Shadowcat | insta`: I hope you distcc'ed that install |
| 18:01.19 | Shadowcat | myren: you need to be root |
| 18:01.26 | insta` | Shadowcat: didn't need to ... it took longer to run the CAT5 than it did to install the software :) |
| 18:01.37 | Shadowcat | your queue number is 2000 arunkumaran, stand in line |
| 18:01.41 | Shadowcat | now serving number: 1 |
| 18:01.43 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 18:01.57 | cy_ | hello |
| 18:02.00 | arunkumaran | :) |
| 18:02.19 | arunkumaran | shadowcat:should i move onto debian/gentoo |
| 18:02.26 | cy_ | "You should install wxPython 2.6.0 or newer." should not "apt-get install python-wxgtk2.6" solve this ? |
| 18:02.29 | stew | arunkumaran: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 18:03.03 | kronoz | how can i make apt ignore a broken package? |
| 18:03.18 | insta` | arunkumaran: you're using windows 98 now? |
| 18:03.24 | insta` | What are you looking for in a system? |
| 18:03.25 | jelly-ho | cy_: if building something from source, some *-dev packages might be required. |
| 18:03.25 | arunkumaran | yep |
| 18:03.39 | adoom | hey guys, how do you downgrade from grub to lilo? I removed the grub package and installed lilo, but the /boot/grub directory still exists. if I delete this directory, it won't boot. |
| 18:03.44 | arunkumaran | just some datawork n internet |
| 18:03.45 | insta` | Do you want it to be a server, do you want to spend hours fiddling with it, or do you want it to Just Work |
| 18:03.56 | arunkumaran | just work |
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| 18:04.04 | sepski | adoom, you must run the lilo command to overwrite the MBR |
| 18:04.05 | Kournikoza | hello, i'm using kernel 2.6.16 kernel and i have a /dev directory.. however when i try to boot after the 'Freeing ... stuff' it should mount my disk but it doesnt do it.. if i boot my old kernel 2.6.12 it works... do i need udev daemon or what could be the problem? it says read only filesystem :s |
| 18:04.06 | arunkumaran | may be later ll move to servers |
| 18:04.07 | azeem | adoom: you need to run lilo in order to install it in the boot sector AFAIK |
| 18:04.12 | arunkumaran | nothin as of now |
| 18:04.13 | insta` | I'll probably piss off half the channel, but I'd say try Ubuntu ... |
| 18:04.20 | cy_ | jelly-ho; it's just one python script, i dont think it needs to be compiled, just executed.. :/ but thanks! |
| 18:04.26 | adoom | sepski, azeem, I did run lilo manually |
| 18:04.26 | insta` | Come back to Debian after you're comfortable with Linux |
| 18:04.39 | arunkumaran | im comfortable wid l;inux |
| 18:04.40 | Marc | do you guys recommend the kernel or userspace nfs? |
| 18:04.43 | arunkumaran | i also use FC1 |
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| 18:04.47 | adoom | when booting, it still comes up with the grub boot prompt |
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| 18:04.50 | azeem | adoom: and did that yield any errors? |
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| 18:05.08 | azeem | adoom: maybe it got installed on the wrong disk/partition |
| 18:05.15 | jelly-ho | cy_: though for a python module/class/binding/whatever it's called in py... yup. you're right. |
| 18:05.16 | sepski | adoom, perhaps your lilo.conf is wrong and you installed it in hda1 while grub is on hda |
| 18:05.21 | PredaGR | any ideas why windows with whatever postscript driver I use gives me wrong colors? |
| 18:05.23 | adoom | no, it still boots fine, but it boots with grub, and I want to use lilo |
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| 18:05.41 | liz | lilo=== tears of sadness |
| 18:05.44 | adoom | ok, I'll see if lilo.conf is set to hda1 |
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| 18:06.06 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: I didn't bother to check what it was originally, I just linked it to the based on debian factoid. |
| 18:06.07 | adoom | liz: this is for an embedded application, the hardware doesn't like grub for some reason |
| 18:06.13 | StormTide | anyone know of a good howto to get debian etch with a 2.6.18 kernel installed. I have a 8251 southbridge causing all kindsa probs getting raid up and running and apparantly its supported in 2.6.18. |
| 18:06.29 | StormTide | i cant install and upgrade because the drives arent recognised |
| 18:06.31 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: it's fine. i thought it was deleted. but it was just changed into something with "ubuntu" that i had on ignore |
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| 18:06.50 | jelly-ho | StormTide: they already got to .18? |
| 18:06.52 | stew | StormTide: 2.6.17 hasn't even been released yet, much less 2.6.18 |
| 18:06.53 | mtnman | stormtide: i would try to do a normal install and then upgrade to raid. |
| 18:07.02 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: ah |
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| 18:07.30 | StormTide | stew, blah, really, all these forums im reading are saying its included in 2.6.18 |
| 18:07.30 | StormTide | pita |
| 18:07.30 | StormTide | ok well theres a patch to .16 from via too |
| 18:07.36 | StormTide | but i dont know how to do that |
| 18:07.54 | StormTide | mtnman the drives are totally unrecognised, in any mode |
| 18:07.54 | stew | !kernel |
| 18:07.56 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16.11, prepatch: 2.6.17-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.17-rc2-git6, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.17-rc1-mm3 |
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| 18:08.04 | StormTide | apparantly pata works but ive only got sata drives |
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| 18:08.24 | sepski | after cron on boot up i get id n respawning to fast. i assume it relates to the getty's in inittab, but why arent they working as expected ? |
| 18:08.32 | insta` | I am having a problem with a Debian Etch server of mine ... just installed it yesterday, and every time it's rebooted it can't find /dev/hda3. /dev/hda gets discovered, but I have to "insmod ide-disk" from BusyBox. /etc/modules on the system contains ide-disk. Ideas? |
| 18:08.50 | jelly-ho | StormTide: go and apply jgarzik's libata tree patches, and hope |
| 18:09.04 | mtnman | insta: use modprobe instead of insmod. |
| 18:09.23 | stew | insta`: sounds like a bug in the initrd creator, if you used yaird you might try initramfs-tools or vice-versa |
| 18:09.25 | insta` | mtnman: modprobe won't insert the module for some reason |
| 18:09.32 | mtnman | insta: check /etc/fstab |
| 18:09.38 | StormTide | jelly-ho, unfortunatly, my linux knowledge is limited to running servers once they're setup, ive got no idea how to do what you just said =p |
| 18:09.46 | epictetus | insta`: I would build a kernel with the ide driver built in. debian kernels suck. |
| 18:09.49 | insta` | mtnman: what am I looking for in here? |
| 18:09.54 | insta` | epictetus: that's what I'm thinking too |
| 18:09.59 | mtnman | insta: reference to the partition in question. |
| 18:10.06 | insta` | It's '/' |
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| 18:10.16 | insta` | Strangely enough, it can mount /boot |
| 18:10.26 | insta` | And they're all the same filesystem on the same IDE drive |
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| 18:10.31 | StormTide | ive seen that referenced a lot but dunno what to do from there |
| 18:10.36 | insta` | I'll just try building the kernel |
| 18:10.57 | mtnman | insta: /etc/fstab is what tells the system which partitions to mount, and where (and with which permissions) |
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| 18:11.03 | OleMoudi | where can I define enviroment variables common for all users? |
| 18:11.12 | azeem | OleMoudi: /etc/environment |
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| 18:11.14 | MatBoy | I need the Option to set a dedicated amount of memory for a device in xorg.conf. Was the options [Option "Memory" "1234567678"] ? |
| 18:11.42 | OleMoudi | azeem, those are loaded on login arent they? |
| 18:11.47 | jelly-ho | StormTide: uh. maybe it wouldn't have worked anyway. |
| 18:12.05 | StormTide | jelly? |
| 18:12.10 | insta` | mtnman: I didn't see anything unusual. I'll just try building the kernel and see if that fixes it. |
| 18:12.13 | StormTide | heh im so confused =p |
| 18:12.20 | StormTide | http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=71754&enterthread=y |
| 18:12.23 | StormTide | im working frm that |
| 18:12.34 | mtnman | insta: is there an entry referencing /dev/hda3? |
| 18:12.39 | minerale | olemoudi: keep in mined /etc/env is only for bash users |
| 18:12.41 | azeem | OleMoudi: that file is sourced by most shells, yes |
| 18:12.47 | azeem | minerale: is it? |
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| 18:13.05 | minerale | azeem: zsh's is /etc/zshevn I believe |
| 18:13.15 | Marc | can anybody help me with make-kpgk using --append-patch? |
| 18:13.27 | OleMoudi | minerale, ok but if my tomcat server needs JAVA_HOME, is it ok if I define it in /etc/enviroment ? |
| 18:13.57 | azeem | OleMoudi: I don't think that's a great idea |
| 18:14.05 | azeem | OleMoudi: how do you start it? |
| 18:14.09 | azeem | via /etc/init.dß? |
| 18:14.19 | SonnyBurnett | is it possible to install sarge r1, with 32Mb of raM? |
| 18:14.20 | StormTide | jelly-ho: can i msg you |
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| 18:14.34 | jelly-ho | StormTide: well the page says it'll be included in 2.6.18 once it gets out, and that there are patches for current kernel versions in the meantime. |
| 18:14.40 | OleMoudi | no azeem, running a script from TOMCAT_HOME/bin |
| 18:14.42 | azeem | SonnyBurnett: not without a *lot* of trouble, if at all |
| 18:14.47 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: sure, but it would be more fun with more RAM... |
| 18:14.58 | azeem | OleMoudi: so export the variable in that script |
| 18:15.01 | StormTide | jelly-ho ya i see that, i just dont see how to actually use em |
| 18:15.08 | OleMoudi | ok |
| 18:15.10 | StormTide | theres no walkthrough that ive seen |
| 18:15.18 | minerale | olemoudi: edit your startup.sh and your shutdown.sh and add your env's there |
| 18:15.21 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, I wont install a X system,, i just need it for a web server an webmail |
| 18:15.23 | StormTide | and im relatively new to setting up kernels n stuff =p |
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| 18:15.47 | minerale | olemoudi: just put them in the first line |
| 18:16.00 | SonnyBurnett | I'm installing it on a P1 133Mhz with 32Mb of rAM, but the installer seems to be crashed... :( |
| 18:16.00 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: you should be able to get 32MB more RAM second hand... |
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| 18:16.18 | StormTide | i'd like to get etch/2.6.16 or 15 whatever works with raid 1 on sata running |
| 18:16.26 | StormTide | but thats proving very difficult |
| 18:16.33 | goldenaura | Hi there. I am setting up my mail server. I am using Debian Sarge with Exim4+CourierIMAP+SquirrelMail+SpamAssassin+Clamav. All packages from the stable repository. Everything seems to work ok, but clamav-daemon when starting shows a message " ClamAV engine is outdated...". I am sure if i install clamAV from the "testing" or "unstable" repository this will not show. What should i do? |
| 18:16.39 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, is there a way to install with 32mb of ram? |
| 18:16.41 | jelly-ho | StormTide: what you need to do is build/download a kernel with those patches applied. I'd look for a live-cd or something with a really new kernel with those patches applied, or get instructions on how to put a custom kernel onto the debian install cd (netinst or whatever) |
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| 18:17.08 | DarkCow | SonnyBurnett, install using another computer's hardware? |
| 18:17.16 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: well, i've never tried 32 MB... |
| 18:17.17 | DarkCow | temporarily swap the hard drives |
| 18:17.30 | SonnyBurnett | DarkCow, how? |
| 18:17.31 | StormTide | jelly-ho. heh dumb it down a shade =p |
| 18:17.32 | DarkCow | That's how I did it |
| 18:17.49 | SonnyBurnett | DarkCow, explain me how |
| 18:18.03 | StormTide | i understand i need a kernel with that patch, how to get a custom kernel into the deb install cd is the prob |
| 18:18.04 | DarkCow | SonnyBurnett, just swap the hard drive out of the old computer and into one with new hardware |
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| 18:18.12 | StormTide | been googlin for hours |
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| 18:18.55 | SonnyBurnett | DarkCow, I dont understand.... you mean creating a swap file before installing? |
| 18:19.00 | DarkCow | er |
| 18:19.12 | DarkCow | no |
| 18:19.12 | jelly-ho | StormTide: hrm. |
| 18:19.16 | SonnyBurnett | DarkCow, I just have 1 hdd od 1,2G |
| 18:19.22 | DarkCow | I mean "Take the hard drive out of the old computer, and put it into one with relatively recent hardware" |
| 18:19.24 | StormTide | jelly im trying to follow http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 18:19.33 | DarkCow | then install, and move the drive back |
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| 18:19.48 | DamianXL | guys? |
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| 18:19.56 | StormTide | but how i build a kernel without access to the hd's is kinda boggling me |
| 18:20.03 | SonnyBurnett | DarkCow, wow... what about the hardware detection? |
| 18:20.10 | DamianXL | what's the "apt-get" command to get to install a Samba server? |
| 18:20.19 | DarkCow | weeeellll, I don't know much about that |
| 18:20.32 | streuner | DamianXL: apt-get install samba? |
| 18:20.37 | SonnyBurnett | DarkCow, have you ever done that? |
| 18:20.39 | jelly-ho | StormTide: build it on another machine. |
| 18:20.44 | zamaliphe | how to chek that i have the right tv card driver |
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| 18:20.55 | DarkCow | it worked okay for me, but the old machine only had a few bits of hardware |
| 18:21.13 | DarkCow | it had 16 megs of ram :P |
| 18:21.19 | StormTide | jelly-ho wont that screw with the other machine tho |
| 18:21.22 | streuner | zamaliphe: discover will find it for you auto |
| 18:21.29 | DarkCow | a 486DX, and not much else at all |
| 18:21.30 | EruditeHermit | hey, my box works in single user mode but not in init 5 can anyone help me? |
| 18:21.33 | jelly-ho | StormTide: build == compile, not "install". |
| 18:21.43 | DamianXL | streuner: is that for the server? |
| 18:21.44 | Marc | can anybody help me with make-kpgk using --append-patch? |
| 18:21.55 | streuner | DamianXL: yes |
| 18:22.25 | StormTide | jelly-ho: i should just return this thing shouldnt i =p |
| 18:22.32 | DarkCow | I expect that there's some debian script out there that does hardware detection and updates /etc/modules accordingly |
| 18:22.38 | jelly-ho | StormTide: it's going to be a bit complicated, yes. ;-) |
| 18:22.48 | mikeConigliaro | is there no 'service' command in debian? eg: 'service sshd restart' |
| 18:23.07 | mtnman | darkcow: probably runs "discover" |
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| 18:23.12 | streuner | mikeConigliaro: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 18:23.12 | StormTide | jelly-ho, complicated/time consuming im ok with, the fact theres like no follow-able docs |
| 18:23.16 | StormTide | is making me wonder |
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| 18:23.33 | mikeConigliaro | streuner, ok, thats what i thought. thanks |
| 18:23.42 | vin` | mikeConigliaro: or invoke-rc.d |
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| 18:23.56 | katar | dddd |
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| 18:24.00 | floppyears | hi |
| 18:24.02 | jelly-ho | StormTide: that's normal for Linux. ;-) :-( Do you have access to a live Debian (or other Linux) machine? |
| 18:24.03 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.07 | floppyears | can somebody help me ? |
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| 18:24.12 | floppyears | when I type xinit :0 |
| 18:24.12 | mikeConigliaro | ill use /etc/init.d/, it seems more 'universal' |
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| 18:24.19 | katar | yea da florence |
| 18:24.23 | floppyears | I get xinit: Server Error |
| 18:24.24 | StormTide | jelly i have access to a couple slackware boxes |
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| 18:24.29 | zamaliphe | streuner Bt878 Video Capture |
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| 18:25.24 | Azar | question: I am using Etch now and at "aptitude update / upgrade" I am getting this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2427 |
| 18:25.56 | streuner | zamaliphe: bttv |
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| 18:26.12 | insta` | Azar: that doesn't look bad? |
| 18:26.14 | seb- | where does no learn apt-get really well? got a book or link? |
| 18:26.14 | jelly-ho | StormTide: custom-kernel.txt looks promising though. |
| 18:26.27 | minerale | azeem: nevermind, you are right, /etc/environment is used by all shells |
| 18:26.27 | seb- | s/no/one |
| 18:26.28 | jelly-ho | StormTide: well, at least the title does. |
| 18:26.30 | Azar | insta` why should it reinstall all I already have running? |
| 18:26.30 | streuner | zamaliphe: pretty common |
| 18:26.33 | mtnman | seb-: man apt-get is a good start. |
| 18:26.36 | goldenaura | anyone here with ClamAV experience? |
| 18:26.44 | insta` | It's not, it's only upgrading them. |
| 18:26.44 | StormTide | jelly heh take a look in it |
| 18:26.45 | StormTide | its greek to me |
| 18:26.46 | seb- | mtnman: yes but i want to learn it *butt* good |
| 18:26.47 | Azar | .. and xterm removed? why? |
| 18:26.50 | insta` | Etch has rolling updates |
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| 18:26.54 | StormTide | thjeres a lot of really big steps left out |
| 18:27.00 | insta` | Did you install xterm with 'apt-get' or Synaptic? |
| 18:27.06 | mtnman | seb-: /usr/share/doc/apt |
| 18:27.07 | Azar | with apt-get |
| 18:27.11 | insta` | That's why |
| 18:27.18 | insta` | Let it remove it, |
| 18:27.24 | insta` | Then after that finishes, aptitude install xterm |
| 18:27.26 | Azar | insta`: I do not know why should I use synaptic |
| 18:27.36 | insta` | Azar: then stick to aptitude |
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| 18:27.47 | seb- | mtnman: my /usr/share/doc/apt has not big fat doc in it |
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| 18:28.02 | superlinux | hi all |
| 18:28.11 | Azar | I see, thanks, now why x-window-system, alsa have to be reinstalled? |
| 18:28.17 | mtnman | seb-: there is also an apt-doc package. |
| 18:28.33 | insta` | Because they're newer. Maybe bugfixes or new features. |
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| 18:28.38 | seb- | mtnman: THANKS! you rock! |
| 18:28.42 | Azar | ah my bad, : kept back ok thanks |
| 18:28.58 | mtnman | seb-: welcome. i found it with "apt-cache search apt" |
| 18:29.19 | mtnman | seb-: there is also apt-howto package |
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| 18:30.33 | DamianXL | hey |
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| 18:30.48 | DamianXL | what's the difference between samba daemons and inetd |
| 18:30.49 | DamianXL | ? |
| 18:30.52 | stew | mtnman: how do you install the apt-howto pacakge if you don't know how to use apt! :P |
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| 18:31.02 | kspath | DamianXL: several letters? |
| 18:31.08 | mtnman | stew: man apt :/ |
| 18:31.10 | goldenaura | Hi there. I am setting up my mail server. I am using Debian Sarge with Exim4+CourierIMAP+SquirrelMail+SpamAssassin+Clamav. All packages from the stable repository. Everything seems to work ok, but clamav-daemon when starting shows a message " ClamAV engine is outdated...". I am sure if i install clamAV from the "testing" or "unstable" repository this will not show. What should i do? |
| 18:31.15 | DamianXL | kspath: rofl |
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| 18:31.26 | DamianXL | i just finished installing samba server |
| 18:31.26 | mtnman | stew: points you to man apt-get... |
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| 18:32.03 | DamianXL | problem is i don't know what's the difference between a "deamon" or an "inetd" way of running samba... |
| 18:32.18 | DamianXL | i know about services and startupfiles....(used to windows) |
| 18:32.22 | stew | DamianXL: as a daemon it will always be running, as inetd it will be started whenever a request comes in. the former will probably be more responsive but take more memory. however with a swapfile the memory shouldnt' really be an issue |
| 18:32.38 | mtnman | damianxl: inetd is a "super-server" which will start up services. you can also start daemons individually. |
| 18:33.02 | DamianXL | ? |
| 18:33.08 | superlinux | squid on my server is transparent. I use squidguard to block sex sites.. squid guard is working only if I enforce the browser into manual proxy configuration.. squidguard doesnt work if squid itself in transparent mode.. what should I do? |
| 18:33.12 | floppyears | quick question |
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| 18:33.14 | insta` | whoa, which package do I need to install to get 'lspci' |
| 18:33.16 | kspath | DamianXL: re-read what they said. |
| 18:33.25 | mtnman | damianxl: i suggest a book like "running linux" if you want a deeper understanding. |
| 18:33.32 | floppyears | how do I set the bit so that a program like X gets run as root |
| 18:33.43 | floppyears | although the user that ran it is not root ? |
| 18:33.45 | kspath | insta`: whoa. pciutils or pci-utils have it? did you use apt-file search lspci ? |
| 18:33.46 | DamianXL | *sigh* |
| 18:33.49 | mtnman | !tell damianxl about inetd |
| 18:33.55 | stew | insta`: pciutils ; /msg dpkg search |
| 18:34.03 | superlinux | floppyears, chmod +s file |
| 18:34.08 | floppyears | thanks superlinux |
| 18:34.24 | insta` | hmm, dunno why I felt the need to preface that with 'whoa.', thanks for the heads up, kspath. pciutils had it, thanks. |
| 18:34.27 | superlinux | this will let all users run it as its original owner |
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| 18:34.46 | superlinux | floppyears, beware while using it |
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| 18:35.21 | superlinux | floppyears, read the manaul first |
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| 18:36.13 | kspath | DamianXL: You would likely want to read about inetd. Its history and purpose. |
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| 18:37.32 | kspath | DamianXL: You would also likely need to read about the history and purpose of daemons computing term. |
| 18:37.45 | floppyears | superlinux: it worked, I just needed to make Xorg run as root if an ordinary user ran it |
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| 18:38.00 | floppyears | since Xorg needs to write to /var/logs |
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| 18:38.08 | floppyears | quick question |
| 18:38.19 | floppyears | why would Xorg work, and xinit give me errors ? |
| 18:38.19 | kspath | DamianXL: Samba.org might have information on whether trying to use it via inetd is good/bad idea or viable. |
| 18:38.21 | mirak | I wanted to know if there is way to modifiy the kernel ordonancer. for exemple, I don't want that a process takes all the cpu when it needs a lot. it would be better it takes 90% of what is available, and let some room for other processes |
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| 18:38.31 | superlinux | floppyears, I am not much into X |
| 18:38.34 | floppyears | Xorg runs fine and shows me the xserver |
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| 18:38.45 | floppyears | superlinux: thanks, maybe somebody else can help me here :) |
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| 18:38.52 | floppyears | but xinit and startx |
| 18:38.58 | Azar | nice thanks guys |
| 18:39.02 | floppyears | give me: xinit: Server error |
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| 18:39.30 | hans0lo | I am getting a strange error on two seperate debian systems today -- rm: cannot remove `filename.txt`: Read-only file system |
| 18:39.49 | Gathond | hans0lo: what strange? |
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| 18:40.00 | hans0lo | even root cannot delete the files. |
| 18:40.00 | Azar | hans0lo: you do not have rights to remove those files then |
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| 18:40.06 | Gathond | hans0lo: the filesystem is probably mounted read only as it says |
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| 18:40.18 | mtnman | hans0lo: change the perms and then delete. |
| 18:40.51 | kronoz | is it possible to tell apt to ignore a broken package |
| 18:40.53 | jethro | mtnman: I doubt you can change permissions on a read only fs |
| 18:40.55 | mtnman | hans0lo: ah, gathond is correct, you will need to remount it rw |
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| 18:40.59 | hans0lo | mount says it's in rw mode, chmod returns same read-only filesystem error |
| 18:41.15 | SimonRaven | mounted r/o, perms are fubar, including maybe the ACLs on it, or you need to fsck. usual causes =) |
| 18:41.31 | Ex-Cyber | hans0lo: what filesystem type is it? |
| 18:41.33 | hans0lo | ok, will fsck it. Thanks! |
| 18:41.38 | hans0lo | ext3 |
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| 18:41.48 | Ex-Cyber | ah... then my caveats don't apply :) |
| 18:42.05 | Azar | can I replace "sarge" with "etch" on my security sources? : deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:42.22 | chealer | !tell Azar about testing security |
| 18:42.38 | SimonRaven | ACLs here i'm including attributes, like +/-i |
| 18:42.46 | suran | Hi all.. I need some help with an english word... I need to know the name of the "star" that appears in the image http://www.anythingleft-handed.co.uk/images/certificate.jpg in english Can anyone help me? Sorry for the off-topic |
| 18:43.13 | SimonRaven | though you don't usually don't that, i am for brevity |
| 18:43.22 | Mr-R | hans0lo: is the mount-option errors=remount-ro set? then mount would continue to show rw even if it es remounted on an error... |
| 18:43.47 | mtnman | suran: dunno what that star is called, but can i join? |
| 18:43.48 | hans0lo | Mr-R: yes, it is.. |
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| 18:44.09 | GoAuLd | suran type the word |
| 18:44.09 | suran | mtnman: join for what? |
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| 18:44.21 | mtnman | left-handers' club |
| 18:44.37 | suran | GoAuLd: I don't know this word in English that's the question |
| 18:44.53 | GoAuLd | i cant read that small image |
| 18:44.55 | suran | mtnman: sorry I just look for a random pic where appears that star |
| 18:44.59 | mtnman | suran: do you know the word in any other language? |
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| 18:45.07 | stew | suran: on a physical certificate, that star might have been stamped onto the paper in which case it would be a "seal" but it looks to me like a "medal", but if you are specifically talking about just the star shape there isn't a specific word |
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| 18:45.08 | Mr-R | hans0lo: good luck with the fsck. my last drive with that symptoms was totally fubar. *g* |
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| 18:45.19 | Ex-Cyber | suran: I'm not sure that it has a particular name... you might try looking for "starburst" images/patterns |
| 18:45.20 | kspath | suran: This is a back-into spamming attempt? |
| 18:45.21 | Azar | what is "the archive signing key" do I need it? and how to apply it? |
| 18:45.30 | SimonRaven | though /proc/mounts shouls show the correct one |
| 18:45.31 | hans0lo | Mr-R: *cries* |
| 18:45.35 | SimonRaven | should* |
| 18:45.36 | stew | Azar: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 18:45.54 | Ex-Cyber | suran: (although that is also the name of a well-known candy so you might get lots of junk in search results) |
| 18:45.59 | suran | kspath: no no... I need to know the word in english... |
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| 18:46.22 | kspath | suran: Is it a nova or a super-nova or other event? |
| 18:46.31 | mtnman | ex-cyber: easy enough to exclude any entries with "candy" in the text. |
| 18:46.57 | mtnman | suran: if you know the word in a different language, that would be a good start... |
| 18:47.02 | GoAuLd | suran what word? |
| 18:47.25 | Marc | does buildpackage in make-kpgk build modules? |
| 18:47.28 | suran | GoAuLd: I just only know a picture where appears |
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| 18:47.59 | mtnman | suran: afaik, there is no particular name for that graphic, however i am not an expert. |
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| 18:48.17 | kspath | hans0lo: If it is at least read-only try to back it up. If all else fails try ftping or scping it to another box. ftp especially is tolerant of delays. |
| 18:48.57 | GoAuLd | sura: call it SEAL |
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| 18:50.41 | kspath | suran: It is a medal or seal. You will want to find sites related to 'official' documents and/or insignia. |
| 18:51.34 | myren | _damnit_ |
| 18:51.35 | kspath | suran: seals and insignia have very long histories. wax was often used when paper was popular |
| 18:51.40 | myren | i just want to build a kernel on a remote drive |
| 18:51.47 | myren | but not a single @#@@##^%^t program will let me |
| 18:52.11 | myren | samba almost worked because it was stupid enough, but it tried to create some symlinks and died |
| 18:52.14 | GoAuLd | remote drive? |
| 18:52.20 | myren | remote mount |
| 18:52.21 | kspath | suran: foil is not quite as common though gold foil could be used. |
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| 18:52.24 | lpb-oberon | did the eterm maintainer die? |
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| 18:52.36 | myren | uh, enlightenment did |
| 18:52.43 | myren | at least 0.16 |
| 18:52.58 | SimonRaven | myren: wth? you trying to build a kernel on fat32 or something? |
| 18:53.03 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 18:53.05 | lpb-oberon | uff |
| 18:53.12 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 18:53.15 | lpb-oberon | i love e16:) |
| 18:53.28 | myren | SimonRaven: it ext3. Unfortunately my uid is different on the remote system |
| 18:53.36 | kspath | suran: medal is same idea as a medallion |
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| 18:53.50 | myren | Remaping with sshfs hasnt worked, I cant get cifs to remaps uids |
| 18:54.10 | SimonRaven | oh. this is why you sync your uidnumbers if you can ;) |
| 18:54.14 | lpb-oberon | myren: you are not jokin about the enlightenment guy? |
| 18:54.53 | SimonRaven | lpb-oberon: no, he's serious |
| 18:55.11 | myren | nah, raster is awsome. he's also left e16 far behind |
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| 18:56.04 | SimonRaven | they've re-done the libs, the ui, interface ... |
| 18:56.17 | SimonRaven | er, s,interface,, |
| 18:56.49 | keescook | the FAQ in the topic is 404. ;) |
| 18:56.50 | myren | e17 has been quiet for a while now though |
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| 18:57.20 | myren | i havent talked to raster since the outbreak of xgl & aiglx |
| 18:57.36 | strider | !e17 |
| 18:57.36 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 18:57.46 | strider | !maint enlightenment |
| 18:57.49 | dpkg | enlightenment: Laurence J. Lane <ljlane@debian.org> |
| 18:57.50 | GoAuLd | myren what is it? |
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| 18:57.54 | lpb-oberon | i am talking about Laurence J. Lane - the debian maintainer |
| 18:57.59 | SimonRaven | !faq |
| 18:57.59 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:58.10 | SimonRaven | typo |
| 18:58.15 | SimonRaven | (in the /topic) |
| 18:58.20 | lpb-oberon | there are bugs open for more than 4 years... |
| 18:58.38 | kspath | only 4? |
| 18:58.47 | unstable | How can I change the default home path for the user "ftp" created by vsftpd when I installed it. |
| 18:59.00 | superlinux | how can I force squidguard to work in a transparent squid? |
| 18:59.07 | SimonRaven | keescook: ^^ |
| 18:59.08 | SlayerXP | if someone gave me whiskey that was only 4 years old, I'd assume they were trying to insult me |
| 18:59.22 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 18:59.34 | DarkCow | unstable, man usermod |
| 19:00.20 | SimonRaven | vipw, vipw -s |
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| 19:00.21 | stew | SlayerXP: depends on whether you are measuring how long since it entered a barrel or since it was bottled :) |
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| 19:00.34 | SlayerXP | stew: bottle time doesn't count |
| 19:00.36 | Marc | is there a command to submit a bug to the bts? |
| 19:00.45 | stew | SlayerXP: that was my point :) |
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| 19:00.47 | jmartens | reportbug |
| 19:00.47 | superlinux | if you wanna get drunk black label windows! |
| 19:00.47 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:00.47 | thingfish | yeah it doesn't improve in the bottle, not like wine. |
| 19:00.49 | dondelelcaro | Marc: reportbug |
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| 19:00.58 | superlinux | lol! |
| 19:01.03 | Marc | dondelelcaro: cthank you |
| 19:01.14 | SimonRaven | apt-get install reportbug |
| 19:02.49 | |VoNK|w | hello everyone, i did a base install of sarge, and im trying to install x, but i forgot which packages i need |
| 19:02.59 | stew | |VoNK|w: x-window-system-core |
| 19:03.08 | Marc | what is apt programmed in? |
| 19:03.26 | Marc | ahh, c++ I see |
| 19:03.34 | |VoNK|w | stew: i did that and installed gdm |
| 19:03.49 | |VoNK|w | i get an error ..session lasted less then 10 sec.. |
| 19:04.08 | jmartens | |VoNK|w: You might want another package like gnome-desktop. |
| 19:04.39 | stew | |VoNK|w: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log and look for lines starting with (EE). and/or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:05.05 | jmartens | |VoNK|w: Do you get that error after you log in to GDM? |
| 19:05.15 | |VoNK|w | yes after i log in |
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| 19:05.27 | stew | |VoNK|w: oh, does gdm start but return you right to gdm when you try to log in? |
| 19:05.32 | |VoNK|w | i installed a package and it fixed it before, i just forgot what package it was |
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| 19:05.39 | stew | |VoNK|w: in that case check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 19:05.40 | |VoNK|w | stew: yes |
| 19:05.57 | sharpy | is there an apt-get tool that can convert .gif files to .bmp or .jpeg? |
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| 19:06.04 | stew | |VoNK|w: you probably are trying to start a not installed windowmanager |
| 19:06.24 | jmartens | |VoNK|w: Yeah, .xsession-errors, or try installing one of the gnome/kde/icewm or whatever packages, like gnome-desktop. apt-get install gnome-desktop. |
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| 19:07.23 | |VoNK|w | there was a base package for gnome but i cant seem tro find it |
| 19:07.30 | |VoNK|w | is there a list online? |
| 19:07.33 | stew | !install gnome |
| 19:07.33 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 19:07.48 | |VoNK|w | ty |
| 19:07.52 | |VoNK|w | gnome-core |
| 19:08.33 | GoAuLd | !xgl |
| 19:08.33 | dpkg | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
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| 19:09.31 | superlinux | hiccups! that's a nice Wine-dows! |
| 19:09.48 | Roey | isn't it between xgl and some other thing |
| 19:09.50 | Roey | aar |
| 19:09.51 | Roey | or something |
| 19:10.00 | Roey | there's a dispute between where to put the GL layer right? |
| 19:10.04 | superlinux | iant that a nice joke?! |
| 19:10.05 | superlinux | ha? |
| 19:10.28 | megatronx | anyone here have a soundblaster audigy 2 zs? i'm not sure if it's debian or what, but i can't seem to record from vinyl to linux at all using line in, but yet i can still hear the music... |
| 19:10.30 | jmartens | So, now that xorg 7.0 is in, when does compiz go in... :) |
| 19:10.31 | osq | sharpy: apt-get install imagemagick which contains /usr/bin/convert |
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| 19:10.55 | stew | megatronx: record players require a preamp |
| 19:11.02 | megatronx | i have a mixer |
| 19:11.03 | jmartens | Roey: AIGLX is the other one. |
| 19:11.08 | azeem | jmartens: the X strike force is till busy sorting out the bugs |
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| 19:11.25 | megatronx | it's all hooked up and the record is playing and i can hear it, but can't record or anything |
| 19:11.44 | jmartens | azeem: Sorry, i know they're going as fast as they can. I just couldn't resist asking. |
| 19:12.10 | megatronx | audacity does not even pick up the line in |
| 19:12.20 | Roey | jmartens: oh, ok. |
| 19:12.26 | jmartens | megatronix: Do you have a sound server running? |
| 19:12.28 | Marc | how can I list the files of a .deb? |
| 19:12.28 | Roey | jmartens: and they approach the GL issue from different angles, right? |
| 19:12.34 | azeem | Marc: dpkg -c .deb |
| 19:12.36 | megatronx | like esd? |
| 19:12.49 | megatronx | esd is running |
| 19:12.51 | Roey | jmartens: like, one does it in one of X's layers where the other one (XGL) does it in the window manager? |
| 19:12.53 | jmartens | Roey: I don't really know the technical differences. If you do some quick google searches, I'm sure you will find tons of material. |
| 19:12.57 | Roey | ok |
| 19:13.01 | Marc | azeem: thanks |
| 19:13.01 | Roey | jmartens: thanks though |
| 19:13.09 | azeem | Marc: see the dpkg manpage in general for things concerning single .deb package files rather than packages or repositories |
| 19:13.50 | jmartens | megatronx: Make sure that the sound server is disabled before you launch audacity. Seems they can't share the alsa device files or some such like that. |
| 19:14.07 | jmartens | megatronx: Yeah, esd. |
| 19:14.11 | megatronx | oh ok... |
| 19:14.22 | megatronx | so then shut it off and reboot? |
| 19:14.32 | diesel | For audit purposes, I need to install a keylogger (especially remote SSH sessions). What do you guys recommend? |
| 19:14.43 | jmartens | megatronx: You just need to turn it off, then close and re-open audacity. |
| 19:14.55 | lostson | damn you wlan-ng |
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| 19:15.03 | jmartens | megatronx: Or a killall esd should do it too. |
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| 19:15.19 | megatronx | ok |
| 19:15.23 | jmartens | megatronx: You can disable it in the gnome properties somewhere, so it doesn't start by default as well. |
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| 19:15.39 | bliss1_ | hello |
| 19:15.47 | jmartens | bliss1_: Hi |
| 19:16.11 | bliss1_ | jmartens: hi |
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| 19:16.53 | megatronx | tried it and nothing... |
| 19:17.08 | megatronx | can't pick line-in in audacity |
| 19:17.12 | bliss1_ | is it possible to install vmware on a onoe X box and then install a guest OS? |
| 19:17.21 | bliss1_ | none |
| 19:17.56 | jmartens | bliss1_: For sure with vmware server you can, don't know about vmware-workstation. |
| 19:18.07 | jmartens | megatronx: It can't find the audio device? |
| 19:18.18 | megatronx | nope...only had /dev/dsp for both |
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| 19:18.25 | megatronx | in option |
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| 19:18.29 | Supaplex | I'd use qemu or vmware more often, but.. I just dont. :) |
| 19:18.34 | megatronx | want me to post a pic? |
| 19:18.42 | Supaplex | besides, vmware 4+ is the suck. |
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| 19:18.47 | Mortis_kruuul | http://www.muzyka.oz.pl :P |
| 19:18.52 | jmartens | megatronx: No |
| 19:18.55 | bliss1_ | jmartens: yes i am aware that you can with the server |
| 19:19.17 | megatronx | well a link if you wanted to see... |
| 19:19.17 | megatronx | ok |
| 19:19.25 | SimonRaven | Mortis_kruuul: no |
| 19:19.27 | jmartens | megatronx: Are you sure that the audigy card is working, and not just the default sound card? |
| 19:19.33 | jmartens | megatronx: A link would be ok |
| 19:19.43 | megatronx | hold on...let me take a pic... |
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| 19:20.29 | jmartens | I'm using vmware-server beta now, and it works pretty well. |
| 19:20.29 | stew | azeem: Mortis_kruuul is a repeat offener |
| 19:20.30 | kspath | Mortis_kruuul: You are a spammer? |
| 19:20.33 | mrwill | oh, sarge r2 - that must be why apt-get upgrade was offering to upgrade libc6! that freaked me out. |
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| 19:20.55 | mtnman | !dpl |
| 19:20.55 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 19:20.56 | eject_ck | How get list of installed packages ? |
| 19:21.18 | Saafirosz | Someone knows what packet is the packet with the "include files (.h)" for C or C++ |
| 19:21.19 | nse | i bought a new hard disk bigger than my old one and i want to migrate the system to it, is there an easy way to do that? |
| 19:21.20 | mrwill | eject_ck: dpkg -l |
| 19:21.27 | eject_ck | thank |
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| 19:21.36 | mrwill | nse: sure, copy it with dd |
| 19:21.37 | jmartens | I thought that AJ took over on the 17th. |
| 19:21.46 | mtnman | nse: hard disk upgrade mini howto at tldp.org |
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| 19:21.54 | azeem | oh man. |
| 19:21.57 | Saafirosz | I have cc and gcc but they dont bring the header files |
| 19:22.04 | azeem | dondelelcaro: shit |
| 19:22.10 | Saafirosz | someone have an idea? |
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| 19:22.28 | kspath | ? |
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| 19:22.36 | megatronx | jmartens: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Jehuty-X/audacity.jpg |
| 19:22.40 | jmartens | Saafirosz: You probably want the -dev packages |
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| 19:22.45 | SimonRaven | er |
| 19:22.57 | chealer | "gittus_" is now known as lilo :? huum |
| 19:23.10 | Saafirosz | I am trying to complie very simple code ..but ..missing ".h" files i have |
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| 19:23.17 | kspath | Saafirosz: English uses the word package. |
| 19:23.38 | Saafirosz | I am not a native english speaker sorry |
| 19:23.45 | chealer | seems to be the real lilo anyway |
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| 19:23.59 | kspath | Saafirosz: We tend to use packet for groups of information in communications protocols. |
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| 19:24.15 | stew | Saafirosz: if you know which .h files you are missing, use apt-file: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:24.27 | nse | mrwill, mtnman: thanks. plugging the new hd as a secondary IDE is a problem? |
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| 19:24.34 | Saafirosz | yes I know the difference between package and packet |
| 19:24.42 | jmartens | megatronx: So, you have an audigy sound card, and you can hear the input playing in your computer speakers? |
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| 19:24.51 | megatronx | yes |
| 19:24.54 | SimonRaven | live as if you were to die today |
| 19:25.01 | mtnman | nse: i'm not sure exactly what you are asking. i suggest you read the howto and ask further questions after that. |
| 19:25.08 | jmartens | megatronx: And that is the only sound card you have in the computer? |
| 19:25.13 | Azar | the sources recommended for apt/sources.list on this site are not working for me? http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 19:25.25 | megatronx | besides the default...yes |
| 19:25.32 | SimonRaven | !secure testing |
| 19:25.41 | jmartens | megatronx: So there is a built in card? |
| 19:25.47 | nse | mtnman: ok |
| 19:25.48 | stew | !secure testing is <reply> see testing security |
| 19:25.48 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 19:25.49 | megatronx | from the motherboard |
| 19:25.52 | Azar | SimonRaven: over the past hour I am reading all the info there, is not working? |
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| 19:26.02 | Azar | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
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| 19:26.09 | jmartens | megatronx: Well, if they are both working, you should have more than one /dev/dsp device file. |
| 19:26.10 | EvilDin | am how to deny ssh login to few users? |
| 19:26.12 | stew | Azar: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 19:26.30 | megatronx | only the audigy is working |
| 19:26.30 | jmartens | megatronx: Did you look through dmsg to see what cards were detected? |
| 19:26.39 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 19:26.42 | Saafirosz | hmmm not working this solution |
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| 19:26.56 | megatronx | uh...no |
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| 19:27.00 | EvilDin | am how to deny ssh login to few users? |
| 19:27.07 | jmartens | megatronx: Ok. I would suggest fiddling with the volume controls then. |
| 19:27.16 | SimonRaven | EvilDin: DenyUser. and please don't repeat so soon |
| 19:27.23 | SimonRaven | EvilDin: man sshd_config |
| 19:27.29 | Saafirosz | why the packages with the header files are not included in the dependence tree of gcc?? |
| 19:27.30 | jmartens | megatronx: Unfortunately, it is very non-intuitive to figure out which ones to adjust to get recording working. |
| 19:27.40 | EvilDin | am when i add to DenyUser to sshd_config |
| 19:27.41 | Saafirosz | i cant compile nothing |
| 19:27.43 | EvilDin | i get error |
| 19:27.51 | SimonRaven | Saafirosz: because. just install them already |
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| 19:27.55 | stew | Saafirosz: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 19:28.02 | jmartens | megatronx: I just did this on my Wife's laptop, and it took me 5 minutes of fiddling to find the right combination of recording and level settings before it worked. |
| 19:28.17 | Saafirosz | SimonRaven, bulid but i am not sure |
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| 19:28.31 | Saafirosz | SimonRaven, I get only messases on missing header files |
| 19:28.41 | mtnman | ls |
| 19:28.45 | Saafirosz | ip.h tcp.h studio.h...and soo |
| 19:28.48 | SimonRaven | yeh, so install what you need |
| 19:28.54 | megatronx | with alsamixer? |
| 19:29.04 | jmartens | Yeah, or gnome-volume-manager |
| 19:29.07 | SimonRaven | do what stew said |
| 19:29.12 | jmartens | megatronx: Whichever you prefer |
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| 19:29.21 | EvilDin | ok i solve tnx |
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| 19:29.36 | Saafirosz | OK I will try :) |
| 19:29.36 | kspath | !tell EvilDin abouth thx |
| 19:29.44 | jmartens | megatronx: If you use the gnome one, then make sure to check the options for additional channels that are not displayed by default. |
| 19:29.45 | kspath | !tell EvilDin about thx |
| 19:29.47 | Saafirosz | SimonRaven, |
| 19:29.52 | EvilDin | anyone know to make vncserver always start in way vncserver -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 :1 |
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| 19:30.02 | megatronx | ok |
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| 19:30.33 | mtnman | evildin: you could write a shell script or perhaps use xdefaults. |
| 19:30.59 | megatronx | shit dude it worked |
| 19:31.12 | megatronx | thank you so much |
| 19:31.13 | EvilDin | am script would be simple sh script |
| 19:31.23 | jmartens | megatronx: It was the volume settings? |
| 19:31.36 | megatronx | i had two analog mix |
| 19:31.37 | zamaliphe | i have klear and my tv card id wdm 872 and have no idea how to make it work i dibian so any help ? |
| 19:31.37 | EvilDin | i thougt is there is somewhere conf file of vncserver and all this is configured there |
| 19:31.47 | megatronx | raised the volume on the second one |
| 19:32.02 | jmartens | megatronx: Good |
| 19:32.06 | Azar | man this is hard, I can't export keys |
| 19:32.08 | megatronx | thank you so much |
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| 19:32.17 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.20 | mtnman | evildin: perhaps there is, but i don't know since i don't use vncserver. i do however have a couple of shell scripts to set geometry for various X apps. |
| 19:32.25 | megatronx | i still don't understand as to why i can't choose line-in in audacity |
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| 19:33.06 | jmartens | megatronx: I think the "Line-in" and "Microphone" channel labeling can sometimes be misleading. |
| 19:33.08 | Azar | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/secure-testing.debian.net_debian-secure-testing_dists_etch_security-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:33.44 | Azar | bah I think is too much, going back to Sarge |
| 19:34.00 | megatronx | now i can record my vinyls and start doing dj sets...thanks |
| 19:34.19 | stew | Azar: you need to apt-get update |
| 19:34.26 | stew | Azar: or aptitude update |
| 19:34.29 | Azar | stew I used aptitude |
| 19:34.37 | coldboot | jmartens: James? |
| 19:34.42 | Azar | it will not recognize the secure sources |
| 19:34.46 | dondelelcaro | Azar: just run it again |
| 19:34.50 | Azar | ok |
| 19:34.58 | jmartens | coldboot: Nope, jason |
| 19:34.59 | dondelelcaro | assuming you haven't already run aptitude update; twice, of course. |
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| 19:35.11 | coldboot | jmartens: haha, I know a guy called James Martens, what a coincidence |
| 19:36.06 | jmartens | coldboot: lol, nice. |
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| 19:36.48 | coldboot | I'm wondering, does anyone have use for a program that will automatically put kernel modules into separate, user-specified modules, complete with automatic dependencies? So basically you'd tell it what modules go in which package, it checks modules.dep, and makes automatic debian modules. And then, when you change the kernel modules, it will detect this and automatically bump versions. |
| 19:36.59 | Saafirosz | what does this mean "Package has no installation candidate"? |
| 19:37.08 | _rene_ | what is written there :) |
| 19:37.23 | Saafirosz | what candidate |
| 19:37.26 | Saafirosz | ?! |
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| 19:37.30 | coldboot | Saafirosz: Admittedly, it's a pretty shitty message with no reasonable guide as how to resolve such an issue. |
| 19:37.44 | _rene_ | err? you did apt-get install foo, obviously |
| 19:37.46 | Azar | :) magic! it works thank you |
| 19:37.56 | coldboot | Saafirosz: I find it's usually been renamed to something else, but asking the debian guys what happened to that package is usually a quick fix. Ie what you're doing in here. |
| 19:38.05 | _rene_ | and foo has so candidate for installation |
| 19:38.08 | Azar | i had hard time with export key so I really do not know what or how it was set but now it is working |
| 19:38.09 | _rene_ | that#s what apt tells you |
| 19:38.21 | Saafirosz | I am trying to install the rar package |
| 19:38.28 | Saafirosz | and i get the message |
| 19:38.28 | _rene_ | aka. it doesn't exist. |
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| 19:38.33 | _rene_ | !info rar sarge |
| 19:38.38 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
| 19:38.39 | _rene_ | !info unrar sarge |
| 19:38.40 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 19:38.51 | _rene_ | non-free. |
| 19:38.53 | stew | Saafirosz: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 19:39.54 | Saafirosz | _rene_, where I should write this? |
| 19:40.01 | Saafirosz | "!info......" |
| 19:40.14 | _rene_ | *shrugs* |
| 19:40.17 | EvilDin | is there any java deb link that will java keep updated to time, or i have to install it manual and update manual? |
| 19:40.18 | avtobiff | there is a unrar-free |
| 19:40.37 | _rene_ | that was just commands for the bot in this channel to show you the rar/unrar info |
| 19:40.46 | _rene_ | and make it tell you it's in non-free |
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| 19:40.52 | _rene_ | so ass non-free to your sources.list |
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| 19:41.14 | Saafirosz | well ok what software to use to unrar something |
| 19:41.16 | jmartens | _rene_: ass non free... lol |
| 19:41.28 | _rene_ | oops, freud :) |
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| 19:41.53 | _rene_ | (in relationship to non-free that is) |
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| 19:42.38 | Saafirosz | is there some free? |
| 19:42.41 | EvilDin | so java have to be installed manual? |
| 19:42.59 | nse | is there a linux utility to format partitions with a fat32 fs? |
| 19:43.00 | tarzeau | EvilDin: yes |
| 19:43.06 | _rene_ | Saafirosz: yes, there's a free unrar iirc, but it can't handle newer rar archives |
| 19:43.06 | tarzeau | nse: yes , mkfs.vfat |
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| 19:43.21 | _rene_ | Saafirosz: in short: rar sucks, avoid it if remotely possible |
| 19:43.29 | sinisterr | how can i remove exim for and purge the config files from the system? |
| 19:43.43 | Zugschlus | dpkg --purge exim |
| 19:43.48 | js_ | sinisterr: apt-get remove --purge exim |
| 19:43.55 | sinisterr | thatks |
| 19:44.01 | sinisterr | thanks |
| 19:44.15 | Saafirosz | well it sucks but it is used enough |
| 19:44.26 | Saafirosz | soo no choise |
| 19:44.31 | _rene_ | only at some obscure places |
| 19:44.36 | _rene_ | thankfully |
| 19:44.37 | Saafirosz | exept install a non-free package |
| 19:44.45 | _rene_ | right |
| 19:45.01 | stew | sinisterr: apt-get remove --purge exim4-config |
| 19:45.10 | Saafirosz | you know most of the peoples use win and winrar |
| 19:45.17 | MatBoy | I have a disapering mouse on my Xinerama Screens. Is this known ? |
| 19:45.28 | stew | MatBoy: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:45.29 | _rene_ | obscure places, yes. as said. and most use winzip afaik |
| 19:45.42 | _rene_ | or something else doing zips |
| 19:45.54 | MatBoy | stew, what do you meen ? |
| 19:45.56 | Saafirosz | here winrar is the most used i thing |
| 19:46.03 | stew | !tell MatBoy about bts |
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| 19:46.25 | Saafirosz | and rar is more user as a format |
| 19:46.33 | MatBoy | stew, thanks ! good idea !! |
| 19:46.51 | zrin | why does exim4 need so long to start, even in "local delivery only" mode? |
| 19:47.14 | Zugschlus | zrin: DNS. See README |
| 19:47.22 | zrin | Zugschlus: thanks |
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| 19:48.26 | GoCooL | stew: the kernel panic message I was getting after apt-get installing kernel 2.6 i found out could be as a result of not having the right drivers for my hard disk |
| 19:48.54 | GoCooL | stew: i checked my config file and think ATA support has been "modularized" in the kernel |
| 19:49.15 | Saafirosz | someone have try Creative Audigy 2 + kernel 2.6? |
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| 19:50.17 | GoCooL | stew: do u know how do i make sure it (FUJITSU ATA disk) has the right drivers in the kernel? |
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| 19:51.04 | marccd | what is the optiojn to enable /dev/shm in the kernel? |
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| 19:51.51 | madd_matt | Does anybody know how to create a combination Audio/data CD with xcdroast? I'd like to burn a cd that can play (only 1 track) in a traditional cd player, but still have the data stuff on it too? I know some commercial software does it..... |
| 19:51.52 | eject_ck | please recommend info about customizing debian distrib (creating own 1 cd debain based distrib) |
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| 19:52.59 | marccd | !shm |
| 19:52.59 | dpkg | [shm] simple harmonic motion, avoid at all costs, or known as mit-shm (ask me about it ...) |
| 19:53.08 | marccd | !/dev/shm |
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| 19:53.34 | marccd | the thing is, I removed support for dev shm |
| 19:53.37 | marccd | and now my networking wont work |
| 19:53.45 | marccd | since the networking init script needs it |
| 19:53.51 | mikeConigliaro | is there something special i need to do to get init to re-read /etc/inittab? |
| 19:53.56 | marccd | as in /etc/networking/run is a symlink to /dev/shm |
| 19:53.57 | mikeConigliaro | kill -HUP 1 doesnt seem to work |
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| 19:56.08 | jmartens | so, if I have a fifo pipe in /var/log, will that be writing to the /var/ filesystem? Or will it just "pipe" it to whatever command is listening to the pipe? |
| 19:56.15 | mikeConigliaro | nevermind... |
| 19:56.18 | mikeConigliaro | =) |
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| 19:56.47 | name | argh |
| 19:56.59 | name | dieses rekursive un-apt-getten is nervig |
| 19:57.07 | mortal__ | es ist |
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| 19:57.59 | Saafirosz | thanks guys |
| 19:58.05 | Saafirosz | cc yaaa ;) |
| 19:58.09 | Saafirosz | bye |
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| 19:59.44 | zamaliphe | and what is the /dev name of the tv card deveice |
| 20:00.09 | stew | zamaliphe: video# |
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| 20:01.01 | zamaliphe | stew: you meen #video |
| 20:01.29 | shwag | When I have an SSH connection open to my box, the connection goes dead after about 1 minutes. Where do I increase this timeout? |
| 20:02.11 | stew | zamaliphe: no, i mean the first will be /dev/video0 |
| 20:02.43 | lazzarello | what can I go to get rid of an error like this: |
| 20:02.47 | lazzarello | Apr 25 16:01:33 localhost mountd[24228]: refused mount request from 192.168.1.99 for /mnt/nfs (/mnt/nfs): illegal port 32853 |
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| 20:03.25 | WoodyWoodpecker | How can I find out what terminal I am sitting before ? e.g. for using the right terminal file from terminfo? |
| 20:03.29 | stew | lazzarello: is the nfs client box running debian? |
| 20:03.38 | lazzarello | yes, both are |
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| 20:03.55 | lazzarello | server == etch, client == sarge |
| 20:04.09 | neoxan_ | Uncompressing Unreal Tournament version 436 Linux installtrap: usage: trap [-lp] [arg signal_spec ...] |
| 20:04.15 | neoxan_ | what does he want? :( |
| 20:04.23 | neoxan_ | an older version of trap? |
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| 20:05.05 | lazzarello | stew, ^^ |
| 20:05.08 | stew | lazzarello: i believe that by default the server requires the requesting port to be prvivileged, like < 1024 |
| 20:05.25 | lazzarello | I have not change the default |
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| 20:05.46 | stew | lazzarello: you aren't requesting a specific port at mount time, are you? |
| 20:05.51 | lazzarello | no |
| 20:05.56 | Nexus | What is it called when you have a certain package not get upgraded? Not pinning... But.... |
| 20:06.02 | lazzarello | web01:/mnt# mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.1.99:/mnt/nfs /mnt/nfs |
| 20:06.04 | stew | Nexus: hold? |
| 20:06.14 | sharpy | i recently installed Debian on my 833 mhz 128 meg Sharp laptop. It runs great with GNOME. Is there something I should do to keep it secure from viruses/malware or? <---coming from the windows world. |
| 20:06.26 | Nexus | stew, Perfect. Thanks! |
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| 20:06.38 | kspath | sharpy: ? |
| 20:06.53 | sharpy | kspath, err.. yes? |
| 20:06.56 | madd_matt | sharpy, there aren't really any viruses/malware that can be installed unless you install them. |
| 20:06.59 | kspath | sharpy: What virus/malware is impacting you? |
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| 20:07.17 | lazzarello | stew, where would I look to force a low port? |
| 20:07.21 | sharpy | kspath, oh nothing..just being proactive that's all... like installing the latest patches, etc. |
| 20:07.27 | kspath | sharpy: You talking forwarding virii/malware you are receiving? |
| 20:07.50 | kspath | sharpy: reading and learning would be something proactive to do. |
| 20:07.51 | sharpy | kspath, no.. nothing like that at all. Just trying to be secure. |
| 20:07.56 | madd_matt | sharpy, the occasional `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` is really all that you need |
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| 20:08.08 | sharpy | madd_matt, oh ok.. thank u. |
| 20:08.19 | kspath | !tell sharpy about u |
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| 20:09.01 | sharpy | kspath, ? |
| 20:09.24 | kspath | sharpy: There is a VAST amount of security information and even information regarding misinformation about security issues that impact M$ OS that do not or can not impact linux. |
| 20:09.43 | GoCooL | how do i find out if my kernel has the right drivers for my hard disk (FUJITSU ATA)? it seems to fail while trying to load the file system from my hard disk |
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| 20:10.47 | cy_ | anyone knows a ftp client where you can determine the amount of speed you'd like to use for a PUT/GET ? |
| 20:10.48 | sharpy | kspath, thanks. Very interesting. :-) |
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| 20:11.30 | Maulkin | sharpy: Also have a look at the 'securing debian howto' |
| 20:12.06 | stew | sharpy: /msg dpkg securing debian |
| 20:12.17 | liz | where does it fail? |
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| 20:12.30 | stew | GoCooL: do you know the name of the .config option? |
| 20:13.13 | sharpy | Maulkin, thanks :-) |
| 20:13.29 | sharpy | i really need more memory on this olde laptop.. 128 megs is not enough. :-/ |
| 20:13.34 | GoCooL | stew: not really sure, how do i find that out? |
| 20:13.36 | stew | cy_: for get, wget will, dunno about put |
| 20:13.52 | stew | GoCooL: do you know how to find the option in "make menuconfig"? |
| 20:14.32 | GoCooL | stew: unfortunaltely no, i don't |
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| 20:15.02 | cy_ | thanks stew |
| 20:15.02 | xtin | what's a recommended security implementation I should use? e.g. linux-vserver, selinux, adamantrix, pax.. |
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| 20:15.19 | GoCooL | stew: by the way, i installed the kernel using apt-get |
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| 20:16.25 | kspath | xtin: Learning the basic normal default security of unix/linux/bsd methods is most important. Knowledge of basic security concepts is also more important. Anything else will only have minimal impact without extensive knowledge. |
| 20:16.27 | stew | GoCooL: does "lspci -n | grep 0101:" return anything? |
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| 20:17.38 | kspath | I am going to guess one or more magazines either paper or online are preparing articles. I wonder if similar questions are hitting other channels as I saw in the past concurrently or at least sameday sameweek. |
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| 20:18.34 | lazzarello | stew, I think I figured it out. It's a virtual machine going through NAT. my bad... |
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| 20:19.34 | GoCooL | stew: 0000:00:1f.2 0101: 8086:2653 (rev 03) |
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| 20:19.48 | spanglesontoast | how do I mount a nfs share with debian? |
| 20:20.09 | jengelh | like you do in any linux |
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| 20:20.16 | stew | GoCooL: hmm that's intel not fujitsu |
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| 20:20.44 | GoCooL | stew: strange, in my dmesg this is what i have... |
| 20:20.44 | lazzarello | if I add "framebuffer=false" to the grub kernel line, will it disable the framebuffer? |
| 20:21.06 | GoCooL | stew: hda: FUJITSU MHV2080AH, ATA DISK drive |
| 20:21.15 | spanglesontoast | how? |
| 20:21.24 | stew | GoCooL: that's the drive, not the controller |
| 20:21.26 | lazzarello | spanglesontoast, apt-get install nfs-common; mount -t nfs host:/share /mnt/point |
| 20:21.26 | xtin | kspath: knowing the basics doesn't seem to get past non-published exploits, does it? |
| 20:21.43 | lazzarello | spanglesontoast, and read man 5 exports before you do that |
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| 20:21.57 | GoCooL | stew: oh, i probably don't know what the difference between the 2 is even :) |
| 20:22.08 | Ex-Cyber | xtin: even so, things like pax, selinux and so on are just tools... your question is kind of like asking "What woodworking tool should I use? e.g. chisel, plane, drill..." |
| 20:22.18 | kspath | xtin: You need to read more if you need to ask that question. Try each of those you mentioned. |
| 20:22.22 | hejux | google has been crashing |
| 20:22.40 | hejux | i can not visit goole.com now |
| 20:22.59 | hejux | and you guys ? |
| 20:23.00 | xtin | well actually, I know what they do.. I decided to use selinux, but apparently the support/development for selinux debian is declining |
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| 20:23.15 | GoCooL | stew: but when booting to the new kernel, after loading cramfs, it tries to load the drivers and right about there is where it fails |
| 20:23.16 | stew | GoCooL: it looks like the driver for your controller is "ata_piix" |
| 20:23.33 | xtin | so it's apparently not a good choice.. I guess I phrased my question wrong.. I kind of want to know 'what works' with debian or what has the most support/development with debian |
| 20:23.34 | stew | GoCooL: which kernel are you trying to use? |
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| 20:23.38 | seb- | how make CD-Rs not have 8char length file name limitation? |
| 20:23.51 | kspath | xtin: If you have the answers than why are you asking questions |
| 20:23.51 | hejux | can you visit google.com ,friends ? |
| 20:24.02 | hejux | no one ? |
| 20:24.05 | spanglesontoast | just thought I was doing something wrong |
| 20:24.07 | xtin | kspath: sorry, it's not that I have the answer but rather I asked the wrong question |
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| 20:24.11 | spanglesontoast | as I'm getting permission denied |
| 20:24.12 | GoCooL | stew: 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 20:24.18 | xtin | or phrased it badly |
| 20:24.32 | hejux | shit |
| 20:24.34 | lazzarello | spanglesontoast, do you have permission to read that share? |
| 20:24.49 | spanglesontoast | well I thought I could just mount it |
| 20:24.54 | spanglesontoast | or do I need to login? |
| 20:24.58 | stew | seb-: burn them with "rockridge" extensions |
| 20:25.02 | xtin | what's a recently updated security implementation/kernel extension, that works with debian? e.g. linux-vserver, selinux, adamantrix, pax.. |
| 20:25.08 | hejux | shit can you hear me ? |
| 20:25.24 | lazzarello | you can't if you don't have permission to read it. NFS uses the UID on the client and permissions on the server. If they don't match you lose. |
| 20:25.42 | xtin | or rather, has anyone used any of these successfully with debian? |
| 20:25.43 | kspath | xtin: Define "recently updated" that is relative and vague. |
| 20:25.48 | Mr-R | hejux: yes and yes |
| 20:25.49 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 20:25.50 | jmartens | xtin: There is some work going on with SELinux currently |
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| 20:26.05 | hejux | yes what ? |
| 20:26.22 | lazzarello | damnit, how the hell do I turn off the kernel framebuffer device at boot time? |
| 20:26.30 | stew | GoCooL: then your kenrel does in fact have support for that card. but its possible that the support wasn't great. you could try a newer kernel from backports, http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 20:26.45 | seb- | skew: thanks |
| 20:26.46 | spanglesontoast | it doesn't even work If I put anon mode on |
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| 20:27.32 | xtin | jmartens: erich is the main developer for SELinux Sarge, and he said he isn't going to be able to work on it for a while because he has a lot of exams |
| 20:27.34 | xtin | coming up |
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| 20:27.50 | minerale | what package is xclock on? ... xserver-base ... xbase-server something like that |
| 20:27.57 | kspath | xtin: hours? days? weeks? months? years? |
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| 20:27.59 | Laidback_01 | hi, I have a dual processor xeon server I rented from theplanet.com So far I've converted it from RHEL to debian, and it's all going pretty well. I have a software raid for my data partition, and it all works fine - except for reboot. No matter what I do, I can't seem to get the software raid to autostart on boot. Anyone have an idea on this? |
| 20:28.02 | stew | minerale: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:28.03 | jmartens | xtin: Ah, ok then. |
| 20:28.06 | stew | minerale: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:28.17 | xtin | jmartens but thanks.. have you used selinux with sarge? |
| 20:28.23 | Laidback_01 | I've destroyed the /dev/md0 and recreated it.. but no luck. |
| 20:28.31 | jmartens | xtin: No, I don't have a need for that level of security yet. |
| 20:28.32 | GoCooL | stew: why do u think it fails right about where it loads the drivers? it loads the cd drive: "hdc: UJDA765 DVD/CDRW, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" and then right about there is when i get a kernel panic, nothing prior to that for hda |
| 20:28.34 | Laidback_01 | I'm not sure what I need to have to make the autostart work. |
| 20:28.37 | stew | Laidback_01: why don't you just have them install debian and setup the software raid for you? |
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| 20:28.51 | jmartens | xtin: Or rather, it's not worth the effort that would be involved right now. |
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| 20:28.53 | minerale | stew... I did not get anything |
| 20:28.59 | xtin | kspath: I really just want something that works that doesn't require me to actually understand the code itself for me to use it. |
| 20:29.03 | stew | !tell minerale about search |
| 20:29.08 | stew | !tell minerale about apt-file |
| 20:29.09 | hejux | i cant live without google |
| 20:29.10 | Laidback_01 | stew, theplanet refuses to handle software raid. |
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| 20:29.35 | stew | Laidback_01: that is suprising |
| 20:29.40 | kspath | xtin: You do not want to deal with security at all in that case. |
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| 20:29.55 | spanglesontoast | am I mean't to be mounting the nfs shares as root? |
| 20:29.57 | hejux | if one day google dead ,where i go ? |
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| 20:30.33 | kspath | xtin: You will want a GUI based firewall like firestarter and leave it at that. Maybe a basic GUI based security audit utility of some kind might be useful to you in some way. |
| 20:30.42 | cirdan | hey all... I was wondering if it was possible to have / and everything else in lvm, and still boot from it |
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| 20:30.59 | lazzarello | spanglesontoast, if you can mount as root you know it's only a permission problem. |
| 20:31.10 | stew | GoCooL: if i had to guess i would guess that your card had poor support when the 2.6.8.1 kernel that you are using was released which was over a year ago |
| 20:31.16 | spanglesontoast | well I cannot mount as root |
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| 20:31.27 | lazzarello | man 5 exports |
| 20:31.35 | kiemcm | hello ppl |
| 20:31.45 | jmartens | xtin: SELinux is only one part of security. You can have good security without ever using something like selinux or app armor. |
| 20:32.36 | Laidback_01 | stew they have hardware raid, just not as an option on this box. I'm not sure, but I think they will do sofware raid for RHEL... I don't like RH as much though. |
| 20:32.43 | spanglesontoast | theres no manual entry |
| 20:32.55 | lazzarello | spanglesontoast, apt-get install nfs-common |
| 20:32.56 | Laidback_01 | anyway, any ideas on how to get the autostart to work for Raid1? It's not an OS raid, just a seperate data raid. |
| 20:33.04 | spanglesontoast | I already did that |
| 20:33.11 | kiemcm | im very bad at this so il just ask |
| 20:33.15 | kiemcm | Does anyone know what debian means when on the partioner it says "input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc ERROR!!!" |
| 20:33.25 | lazzarello | oh my bad, you have to install nfs-kernel-server configure the exports on the server |
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| 20:33.53 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 20:34.02 | spanglesontoast | which needs the server? |
| 20:34.13 | omry | how do you change file ownership recursivly on all files, including . files? |
| 20:34.26 | lazzarello | the side that is exporting a filesystem, where the client mounts that filesystem. |
| 20:34.55 | spanglesontoast | so both the client and server are on the same machine? |
| 20:35.15 | lazzarello | spanglesontoast, no, I said that wrong...the server exports the share, the client mounts it. |
| 20:35.22 | kspath | omry: man chown |
| 20:35.30 | omry | kspath, I did. |
| 20:35.35 | kiemcm | can any1 help me, debian wont let me partition my hard drive to install an os and keeps spewwing out "input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc ERROR!!!" |
| 20:35.37 | omry | -R skips . files. |
| 20:36.08 | kiemcm | i really dont know what im doing, ive never installed to laptop before |
| 20:36.09 | stew | omry: chmod -R * .* ; or find -0 | xargs -0 chmod |
| 20:36.12 | GoCooL | stew: when you say my card, what card are you referring to? |
| 20:36.23 | stew | omry: err, find -print0... maybe with a -type f |
| 20:36.43 | stew | GoCooL: your ata controller |
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| 20:37.20 | kspath | omry: If you are correct the man page does not seem to say it ignores/excludes .filenames files so you might consider filing a bug. |
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| 20:38.31 | kspath | What is odd is i could swear I used chown recursively a few times and it did take care of all files including .filename files. |
| 20:38.32 | stew | omry: actually, yeah, -R doesn't skip . file |
| 20:38.34 | stew | files |
| 20:38.48 | stew | omry: not on etch or sid at least |
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| 20:39.23 | MARIO | hi guys |
| 20:39.26 | kspath | omry: Is your id allow access to those .filename files? Are permissions on those .filename files such as to allow you to change their ownership? |
| 20:39.30 | omry | stew, .dirs |
| 20:39.38 | stew | omry: yes, it doesn't skip them |
| 20:40.16 | stew | omry: works correctly on sarge as well |
| 20:40.16 | kspath | omry: Could you have other security features turned on or remote filesystem that you are trying to mode ownership on without enough access/permssions? |
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| 20:40.34 | omry | stew, does for me (etch). |
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| 20:40.43 | kspath | s/mode/modify/ |
| 20:40.54 | kiemcm | has anyone had "input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc ERROR!!!" pop up when partitioning their hard drive for an install? I could REALLY DO WITH A RESPONSE |
| 20:41.02 | omry | kspath, hmm. dont think so, other files/dirs there changes ownership fine. |
| 20:41.15 | Ryushin | Is there a way to find the previous version of a package anywhere? The latest libdspam7-drv-mysql which was put out on 4/5 is broken. And there is a bug put against it. But I want to get this installed, so I'm wondering if it's possible to get the package that was before this one. |
| 20:41.18 | MARIO | need some help with debiab KDE installation. i've downloaded debian 2.4 from official debian site and installed the 1st cd. but it won't install any interface so i'm in command line mode |
| 20:41.25 | stew | omry: try this: mkdir -p /tmp/foo/.bar ; chmod -R 777 /tmp/foo ; ls -la /tmp/foo ; and see if .bar got the 777 |
| 20:41.32 | kspath | omry: Did you read what I said? Did you understand what I said? else file a bug |
| 20:41.33 | lazzarello | !tell kiemcm about shouting |
| 20:41.34 | MARIO | can some1 gimme some instractions ? |
| 20:41.37 | vaq | How do i remove "pear" the command pear |
| 20:41.45 | omry | kspath, ownership. chown. |
| 20:41.46 | RvGaTe | !muh |
| 20:41.49 | stew | kspath: i'm guessing he is expecting his shell to expand * to include . files |
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| 20:42.01 | cheal | MARIO: there's no such version of Debian as 2.4. ask #debian-kde |
| 20:42.02 | stew | omry: what exact command are you typing? |
| 20:42.12 | omry | chown -R www-data:www-data * |
| 20:42.13 | kspath | stew: perhaps |
| 20:42.14 | kyo | Anybody can tell me the diference between a image .iso and .iso.torrent to donwload? |
| 20:42.23 | MARIO | ok ty |
| 20:42.40 | lazzarello | kyo, a few hundred megabytes |
| 20:42.41 | FauxFaux | kyo: Torrent gets fed to a torrent client, which'll then download the iso for you. |
| 20:42.42 | stew | omry: and what is the path, relative to $PWD that isn't getting the chown? |
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| 20:42.47 | kspath | omry: try using a pathname/directory name and let -R take care of it. |
| 20:42.55 | MARIO | #debian kde |
| 20:43.16 | kspath | stew: good catch |
| 20:43.22 | omry | stew, .svn |
| 20:43.28 | RvGaTe | strange, MUH is a bnc, it is availeble within debian, but this bot dpkg in here doesn't reply on it |
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| 20:44.04 | kyo | ok. First I must to donwload a iso.torrent burn into a CD then ..? |
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| 20:44.10 | stew | omry: right, * doesn't include .svn. * .* would, your shell expands the * variable into a list excluding .files before passing the list to the chown command, chown -R foo . would work |
| 20:44.31 | eject_ck | Does anybody use OSCAR (Open Source Cluster Application Resources) under Debian? |
| 20:44.58 | amee2k | what is the easiest way to convert tabs to spaces in a text file? |
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| 20:45.09 | omry | stew, thanks. |
| 20:45.15 | eject_ck | amee2k vim |
| 20:45.16 | kspath | amee2k: Does tr command do what you want? |
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| 20:46.00 | amee2k | kspath: man page looks promising, i'll try |
| 20:46.24 | amee2k | wow? |
| 20:46.43 | kspath | amee2k: Is that a question? |
| 20:47.15 | kspath | amee2k: I normally see wow used as an exclamation. |
| 20:47.15 | eject_ck | amee2k: use vim - :%s/\<\tr>/ /g |
| 20:47.20 | amee2k | i just didn't expect to be hugged just for reading man pages, so i'm a little surprised ^_^ |
| 20:47.29 | kspath | amee2k: vim is quite powerful. |
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| 20:47.52 | kspath | amee2k: You would be surprised how hard it is to get people to use man pages. |
| 20:47.54 | nn_school | Recuting monopd players to my server at 70.16.146.232:1234 |
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| 20:48.04 | baconbacon | cheal: t'es toujours là hein |
| 20:48.08 | kspath | nn_school: This is not the place. |
| 20:48.09 | jelly-ho | kspath: to use what? |
| 20:48.21 | kspath | jelly-ho: manual pages / man command |
| 20:48.29 | kspath | !mansmite jelly-ho |
| 20:48.32 | nn_school | Recuting monopd players to my server at 70.16.146.232:1234 the game is Alantik |
| 20:48.34 | amee2k | kspath: do s/man pages/any docs at all/ and i know :/ |
| 20:48.48 | kspath | nn_school: SPAMMER STOP! |
| 20:49.06 | cheal | baconbacon: hah. nice to see you :) |
| 20:49.07 | nn_school | sory |
| 20:49.08 | kspath | nn_school: At least learn to spell properly. |
| 20:49.11 | jelly-ho | my favourite is unimplemented(7) |
| 20:49.38 | nn_school | i dont know of an irc with a spell check |
| 20:49.42 | nn_school | ?? |
| 20:49.42 | kspath | nn_school: recruit sorry |
| 20:49.56 | eject_ck | hey boys (sorry for offtopic) how to paste username (to which i want address message) in XChat ? |
| 20:49.58 | stew | jelly-ho: unimplemented is in section 2 |
| 20:50.04 | amee2k | nn_school: doesn't gaim have irc support and spell checking? |
| 20:50.08 | RvGaTe | how can i search for a file... ? |
| 20:50.09 | baconbacon | nn_school: gaim maybe |
| 20:50.10 | kspath | nn_school: Learn the language and do not spam. This channel is for Debian assistance in English. |
| 20:50.33 | kspath | RvGaTe: find locate whereis |
| 20:50.37 | kiemcm | well would someone be ble to assist me then sometime soon? |
| 20:50.45 | nn_school | ok sound good bye |
| 20:50.52 | kspath | RvGaTe: apt-file search keyword might also be useful |
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| 20:51.09 | kspath | !tell kiemcm about ask |
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| 20:52.10 | petemc | kiemcm: alt - f2 to a terminal and run dmesg |
| 20:52.12 | jelly-ho | stew: what's that we-have-no-man-page-for-this-crap(7) then? |
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| 20:52.33 | stew | jelly-ho: undocumented(7) |
| 20:52.34 | RvGaTe | kspath: thx |
| 20:52.35 | nn_school | by the way kspath i can't see if my monopd server is working with out outsider's trying to acess it will you at least test it kspath ?? |
| 20:52.46 | kiemcm | petemc: ok i just have to wait for laptop to come back to life, battery died on me :( |
| 20:53.14 | kspath | nn_school: This is #debian. We can not know if what you are saying is true. Your server has nothing to do with this channel. |
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| 20:53.35 | stew | nn_school: telnet 70.16.146.232 1234 -> connection refused |
| 20:53.55 | nn_school | thanks stew |
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| 20:54.42 | kspath | nn_school: For all we know that IP:port number is something you want to get a number of "outsiders" to connect to for whatever reason that might not match what you claim. |
| 20:55.03 | kiemcm | petemc: what do you want done with the info from the dmesg? |
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| 20:55.59 | petemc | kiemcm: you read it |
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| 20:56.39 | Marquee | hello? |
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| 20:56.51 | kiemcm | petemc: i dont know what im looking for thats the thing, thats why im asking for help with it |
| 20:56.54 | nn_school | stew, do you think you could test that again on port 4099 |
| 20:56.58 | mathieup | I cannot read some wmv files |
| 20:56.58 | vaq | webserver1:~# pear install Bundle-db |
| 20:56.59 | vaq | No input file specified. |
| 20:57.02 | vaq | What is going on? |
| 20:57.05 | lazzarello | does nfs-kernel-server handle the job of lockd? |
| 20:57.05 | mathieup | any suggestion |
| 20:57.13 | stew | nn_school: connection refused |
| 20:57.18 | petemc | kiemcm: do you see driveready seekincomplete messages? |
| 20:57.23 | stew | nn_school: do you not have a shell account on any other machine? |
| 20:57.26 | mathieup | I have a message saying "encrypted media file" |
| 20:57.35 | stew | nn_school: or /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 20:57.45 | nn_school | thanks |
| 20:57.58 | mathieup | any help welcomed |
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| 20:58.09 | nn_school | ** but it is the router that is the truble |
| 20:58.22 | nn_school | and this is not http |
| 20:58.25 | kiemcm | petemc: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeakComplete DataRequest Error} |
| 20:58.37 | stew | nn_school: what does http have to do with anything? |
| 20:59.00 | stew | kiemcm: either you HD cable or your HD is dying. and its probably not the cable |
| 20:59.12 | petemc | kiemcm: your hard drive may be broken, if you're lucky its a cable issue, tho laptops may be harder to gt at tyhe cable |
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| 20:59.19 | nn_school | o ya telnet just looks at the port sory |
| 20:59.46 | mathieup | I have a message saying "encrypted media file" when I start a wmv file, any ideaN |
| 20:59.46 | mathieup | ? |
| 21:00.15 | petemc | mathieup: sounds like its an encrypted file |
| 21:00.22 | kiemcm | petemc: ok thanks, i guess il have to get another one soon then :( i dont even have any OS' installed on it |
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| 21:00.30 | mathieup | what is an encypted file? |
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| 21:00.49 | mathieup | Is it possible to watch such a file? |
| 21:00.49 | gmh | hello, i have an processor pentium 4 with HT, i installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp, but now, when i try use gnome the system crash, someone knows, what can i do, i use etch |
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| 21:01.00 | Mr-R | mathieup: sounds like DRM protected media... |
| 21:01.11 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 21:01.18 | mathieup | what is DRM???? |
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| 21:03.12 | jubo1 | quick question: does it make sense to use the testing security updates or just to aptitude update with testing |
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| 21:03.40 | DevilChaos | aparrently testing doesnt get security updates |
| 21:03.47 | DevilChaos | jubo1 |
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| 21:04.19 | jubo1 | DevilChaos: I thought there is some movement toward doing testing security updates |
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| 21:04.29 | DevilChaos | i dunno |
| 21:04.44 | jubo1 | http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 21:04.49 | kiemcm | do you guys think it would be possible to get debian working off of a USB stick of 512mb? |
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| 21:05.16 | bbrazil | kiemcm: should be. You might want to look at pebble linux, or damn small linux |
| 21:05.32 | cheal | jubo1: I don't see why "aptitude update" would exclude using the testing security updates |
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| 21:05.51 | kiemcm | bbrazil: ok .... i was so looking forward to Debian, why does my HDD have to fail now :'( |
| 21:06.01 | DevilChaos | jubo1 : thumbs up ill try it out hadnt heard of that one |
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| 21:06.04 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 21:06.22 | jubo1 | cheal: i meant using just security updates vs. updating the whole thing |
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| 21:07.44 | Eludias | Upgrading to xorg7.0 renders my second monitors unusable (ATI Radeon 9200SE, last card with open drivers). How to investigate / where to report? bugs.debian or x.org? |
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| 21:08.10 | cheal | jubo1: hum. testing security updates aren't handled exclusively by secure-testing. the majority of security updates get in testing though the usual testing updates procedure |
| 21:08.10 | unstable | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qxs6oQ64.html |
| 21:08.12 | unstable | That is my vsftpd.conf and I can't get fxp to work, am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:08.25 | bwlang | gotta send a fax... but i have VOIP and it doesn't like my my modem very much... anybody know how to send a fax via some internet provider (in usa)? |
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| 21:08.52 | jubo1 | cheal: I run one production mail server using testing, and I am just wondering the best course of action to keep it secure |
| 21:09.36 | cheal | jubo1: make sure you have a testing security source, and update frequently |
| 21:10.17 | jubo1 | cheal: also, do you know if there are any packages that notify you via email if there is a possible security hole in your sys based on GLSA's |
| 21:10.22 | Azar | man apt: BUGS This manpage isn't even started << ? |
| 21:10.41 | Azar | funny |
| 21:11.42 | stew | jubo1: do you mean DSA? or do you reall mean GLSA? |
| 21:11.48 | th0ger | My 'xli -fillscreen image1 image2' only shows the first image as fillscreen. Is this a bug? Could someone try this out too? |
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| 21:12.08 | stew | jubo1: you should subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 21:12.34 | gecko2 | gn8 |
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| 21:13.09 | jubo1 | stew: haha I do mean DSA |
| 21:13.47 | jubo1 | stew: cool, I will check out the mailling list. Is there some aptitude command that lists the packages that are considered security updates? |
| 21:13.59 | Azar | so my question is: since I upgraded to Etch aptitude upgrade will allways list a bunch of "kept back" packages, what is the deal? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2428 |
| 21:14.12 | stew | Azar: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 21:14.18 | Azar | ok |
| 21:14.45 | stew | jubo1: i'm not sure |
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| 21:15.37 | Azar | stew, since the last upgrade, when I got gcc4 would be that a valid reason to have all those packages kept back? |
| 21:15.51 | tarzeau | kspath: polish lesson for little tarzeau? |
| 21:16.06 | kspath | tarzeau: More likely a Polish lesson for me. |
| 21:16.19 | cheal | jubo1: no |
| 21:16.35 | stew | Azar: no |
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| 21:16.37 | kspath | tarzeau: You can personal message me if it is not debian related. |
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| 21:16.45 | sharpy | does anyone run gnome here? |
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| 21:16.55 | tarzeau | kspath: #mhall where the real party is |
| 21:16.58 | tarzeau | sharpy: nobody |
| 21:17.01 | stew | sharpy: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 21:17.04 | jubo1 | hmm that would be a nice feature... |
| 21:17.06 | action09 | lol tarzeau |
| 21:17.08 | sharpy | i was wondering how i can put in my panel an applet that shows my network status? |
| 21:17.56 | stew | sharpy: apt-cache search gnome network applet |
| 21:17.57 | Azar | stew I remember from back days with woody: if I would install a new gcc version I would have to recompile nVidia or at least upgrade the kernel with the new gcc version and then recompile nVidia... isn't this the case now? |
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| 21:18.09 | stew | Azar: that was never the case |
| 21:18.10 | Azar | nVidia, X, alsa... |
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| 21:18.34 | sohmestra | sharpy: right-click panel, pick 'add to panel' |
| 21:18.37 | Azar | stew ah right I used to download the nVidia driver and compile it with the source kernel |
| 21:19.10 | Azar | all I remember is : same gcc for same kernel > then nVidia |
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| 21:19.59 | Azar | so to be a bit more of a woody-pecker: now that I have a new gcc what has changed? |
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| 21:20.54 | Azar | I guess I am too curious |
| 21:21.29 | stew | Azar: /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.0/changelog.gz |
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| 21:24.27 | TTimo | hello |
| 21:24.47 | TTimo | is there a way to search for bug reports with a string in the subject line or such ? |
| 21:25.02 | TTimo | like, what bugs have "keyboard" atm? |
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| 21:25.31 | TTimo | on my system the keyboard code has gone completely screwed. I think it's been that way since I installed it. keys get stuck into repeating when there is load on the machine |
| 21:25.36 | TTimo | such as compiling etc. |
| 21:26.01 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:26.02 | TTimo | I have no idea what part of the system is causing that, if it's a kernel thing, or setup, or xorg whatever |
| 21:26.29 | OleMoudi | if I need to launch at machine startup a jboss server, whats the best option? I was thinking of making a .sh file with the "java -jar ..." command, and then editing /etc/init.d/skeleton to make the proper init script |
| 21:26.35 | OleMoudi | any suggestions? |
| 21:27.02 | TTimo | OleMoudi: yeah that's the way |
| 21:27.08 | TTimo | then you use update-rc.d to hook it up |
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| 21:27.58 | sushimako | dpkg tell me about locales |
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| 21:28.02 | junix|work | do any of the new debian kernels support sata or hyperthreading upon install? |
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| 21:28.53 | Azar | at bootup I found : * /etc/network/options is deprecated - ? |
| 21:29.10 | RvGaTe | with cronjobs, why do i need to add ">/dev/null 2>&1" if only ">/dev/null" doesn't already give you no output... whats the "2>&1" part for? |
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| 21:29.25 | sushimako | what's the difference between /etc/default/locale and the locales settings in /etc/environment? |
| 21:29.32 | TTimo | RvGaTe: redirect stderr into stdout |
| 21:29.41 | Daedalus_ | Azar: iirc, that info has moved into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:29.45 | stew | junix|work: yes, install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 21:29.53 | stew | Daedalus_: no, to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:30.07 | RvGaTe | TTimo: stderr? stdout? what are those? |
| 21:30.08 | Azar | Daedalus_: so I used to know it too... have no idea why bootup will give me such a description |
| 21:30.10 | xerophyte | which is more reliable and scalable courier-imap or cyrus-imap?? |
| 21:30.13 | junix|work | stew: what about Serial ATA? |
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| 21:31.02 | Azar | Daedalus_: I have them both: interfaces and options in /etc/network |
| 21:31.22 | stew | junix|work: yes, the 2.6 kernel supports many serial ata controllers. but not all of the very recent ones. if you need a newer kernel to get sata support for your card then their are newer backported kernels and installers that use them |
| 21:31.55 | stew | Azar: /etc/network/options is deprecated in favor of sysctl. man sysctl.conf, man sysctl |
| 21:32.16 | RvGaTe | after manually installing a package (had to, wan't in the apt-get), how can i remove it again? |
| 21:32.24 | junix|work | stew: ok, if i can ask, how about a Intel SATA adapter? |
| 21:32.27 | stew | RvGaTe: dpkg -r packagename |
| 21:32.44 | stew | junix|work: it's supported by the 2.6 install kernel |
| 21:32.51 | Azar | stew, sysctl is not in /etc/netwok directory, might be on another place? |
| 21:33.02 | junix|work | stew: damn! |
| 21:33.40 | junix|work | stew: where would i be able to find this information on how to do this? |
| 21:33.56 | stew | junix|work: how to do what exactly? upgrade your kernel? |
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| 21:34.08 | stew | junix|work: have you installed already or are you going to install? |
| 21:34.08 | junix|work | get a backported kernel so that i can install on SATA? |
| 21:34.14 | stew | junix|work: you don't need one |
| 21:34.24 | junix|work | if its a newer sata controller you said i would |
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| 21:34.58 | postix | How to make thunar default file manager for gnome? |
| 21:35.00 | stew | junix|work: there is intel sata support on the sarge cds |
| 21:35.07 | junix|work | ok |
| 21:35.16 | stew | junix|work: type "linux26" at the boot: prompt |
| 21:35.30 | junix|work | i'm going to try to install it on some Dell Optiplex GX520s, i'm not sure what they use.... |
| 21:35.39 | Azar | um ok it does not say what sysctl is or does but is ok I guess I have it |
| 21:36.01 | stew | Azar: what doesn't? |
| 21:36.01 | Azar | some kind of action at bootup |
| 21:36.09 | stew | Azar: man sysctl |
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| 21:36.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:36.15 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:36.22 | strefli3 | hey guys |
| 21:36.30 | Azar | ok Ill read again see if I can understand it |
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| 21:37.05 | stew | Azar: you can also just ignore the deprecated warning and move on |
| 21:37.16 | sharpy | How do I add menu entries to my GNOME Applications? There is a program I downloaded for my kid but I dont know how to put it on the menu. |
| 21:37.35 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 21:37.36 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 21:37.38 | Azar | stew, yes thanks, it only has 3 lines I guess no big issue there |
| 21:37.58 | stew | Azar: if you haven't edited that file, you can just remove it |
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| 21:38.03 | sharpy | !tell unstable /msg dpkg tretinet |
| 21:38.17 | Azar | stew, I did not I would think some application uses it |
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| 21:38.38 | unstable | sharpy: If I messged dpkg with tetrinet, then it wouldn't show to the channel. |
| 21:38.51 | unstable | sharpy: The point was to tell people in here who don't know about tetris network...so they can play with me. |
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| 21:39.02 | sharpy | unstable, ahh.. can I play too? |
| 21:39.13 | unstable | sharpy: of course |
| 21:39.18 | unstable | sharpy: follow dpkg's directions |
| 21:39.22 | Azar | the /etc/network/options deprecated file contains: ip_forward=no spoofprotect=yes and syncookies=no < no idea what application wrote that there |
| 21:39.36 | unstable | Everyone in here can play tertris on the network...as long as they're running debian, just apt-get install gtetrinet |
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| 21:39.47 | jonaskoelker | I have a working debian distro, and I want to install debian on a disk plugged into my debian machine. Where can I find docs on how I should go about this? |
| 21:40.25 | stew | junix|work: /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 21:40.33 | strefli3 | Say there is a program I use all the time, say for example it is grep, and every time I use this program I use it with a switch, such as grep -e, how can I write a shell script that will do this for me? |
| 21:40.33 | stew | jonaskoelker: ^^^ |
| 21:40.42 | unstable | jonaskoelker: You can do it the same way you installed your current debian distro. |
| 21:40.52 | unstable | jonaskoelker: Pop in a disc, and then have debian installed on the secondary disk |
| 21:41.18 | sharpy | unstable, do u know offhand to add menu entries to GNOME applications? Is it the Configuration Editor? do i have to create a new key? |
| 21:41.29 | unstable | sharpy: update-menus |
| 21:41.41 | kiemcm | does anyone know if you can order a 2.5" HDD with Debian pre-installed on it? |
| 21:41.42 | stew | strefli3: you can write either a script or a shell alias. your .bashrc probably has some example aliases that do this with ls |
| 21:41.43 | sharpy | unstable, apt-get install update-menus? |
| 21:41.53 | unstable | sharpy: You already have it. |
| 21:42.05 | strefli3 | stew, thanks that should get me started! |
| 21:42.07 | unstable | kiemcm: no |
| 21:42.08 | jonaskoelker | unstable: of course I *could* do that, but it seems like wasting a lot of my time downloading packages already on my disk; |
| 21:42.25 | kiemcm | unstable: ok thanks |
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| 21:43.01 | jonaskoelker | anyways, thanks for the suggestion, unstable. And of course thanks to you, stew. |
| 21:43.04 | Azar | kiemcm: strange request : you should install debian on a full built machine so it can detect all your hardware: you can't bring it from one hardware type to another just like that |
| 21:43.11 | unstable | sharpy: start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
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| 21:43.30 | sharpy | unstable, no where to be found this: update-menus... :-/ |
| 21:43.35 | Azar | it has to have same blood type |
| 21:43.53 | kiemcm | azar: the reason i asked is because you can buy pre installed versions of Linux on Hard Drives and i just wondered if you could get laptop hard drives like it aswell |
| 21:43.54 | stew | sharpy: apt-get install menu |
| 21:44.23 | Azar | kiemcm: the only possibility if Debian will be installed on a twin machine: same blood type |
| 21:44.47 | Azar | same ehternet , same video, same usb, same sound card .. same everhting |
| 21:45.03 | kiemcm | azar: ok thanks for that, il have to remember that for the next time i ghost my computers aswell (didnt know that before :P) |
| 21:45.31 | sharpy | stew, it's already installed. But when i rightclick on the applications i only see edit menus.. and that doesnt allow me to ADD entries. Also, in system tools there is nothing resembling update-menus. Am I missing something else? |
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| 21:46.11 | unstable | sharpy: You coming on tetrinet? |
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| 21:46.21 | unstable | sharpy: Start it from command line |
| 21:46.30 | stew | kiemcm: Azar is wrong, you shouldn't have problems moving a drive from one machine to another other than possibly the x configuration |
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| 21:46.34 | sharpy | unstable, not right now. I have to configure this menu thingie.. |
| 21:46.34 | fiendskull9 | hey |
| 21:46.46 | fiendskull9 | is there a command for turning a source code zip into a deb package? |
| 21:46.51 | fiendskull9 | or a script |
| 21:46.58 | _rene_ | no, thankfully not |
| 21:47.22 | _rene_ | but there is one which gives you a more or less suitable template |
| 21:47.26 | stew | fiendskull9: /msg dpkg mg |
| 21:47.29 | fiendskull9 | ok |
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| 21:49.58 | Azar | stew even for the chipset , IDE/SATA, CPU? what about the kernel? |
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| 21:50.35 | Azar | what if say the CPUs are one is AMD and the other Intel? |
| 21:50.43 | stew | Azar: then use a 386 kernel |
| 21:50.52 | stew | or a 486 kernel |
| 21:51.18 | Azar | stew, if Debian is installed on a k7 machine and gets transfered to an Intel P4? |
| 21:51.27 | stew | Azar: yes |
| 21:51.45 | Azar | I assume the kernel would be for a k7, can you run it in an Intel P4? |
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| 21:52.33 | sharpy | is there a way to manually add MENU entries to your applications tab in GNOME? |
| 21:52.48 | stew | Azar: you can run a 386 or a 486 kernel on either. and, although i've never done it for long periods of time, i have run 686 kernels on k7s |
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| 21:52.59 | Azar | he will have to reconfigure a lot, from kernel, to X to mac |
| 21:53.02 | nse | something really odd is happening, my system is _really_ slow now, is it possible that the new hd that i installed to the machine is causing this problem? |
| 21:53.13 | Azar | wow nice |
| 21:53.29 | nse | it was a pain in the ass just to start gaim and start chatting here.. |
| 21:53.50 | stew | Azar: yes, X i mentioned, not the kerenl, and i if you are talking about the nic, then that should be autodetected |
| 21:53.56 | Azar | nse why gaim? use irssi |
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| 21:54.44 | Azar | stew I ask because I swap hard drives on this machine... so I wasn't sure |
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| 21:55.08 | nse | i am using testing and i update it oftenly |
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| 21:55.57 | pipeline | stew, Azar : well, a k7 is a real 686, after all. I don't think a 686 kernel would run very well on a k6, though.... |
| 21:56.54 | Azar | pipeline: kiemcm mentioned laptop.... never had/used one and the way I see it around is a bit harder to configure for hardware.. |
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| 21:57.35 | stew | Azar: why would a laptop be any harder to configure? |
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| 21:57.50 | Azar | stew, all that wireless, battery, usb stuff.. |
| 21:58.08 | stew | Azar: what? |
| 21:58.20 | Azar | stew, stuff that I never had to configure for |
| 21:58.41 | nse | anyone? |
| 21:59.13 | Azar | on my little knowledge all HP, Gateway, Toshiba laptops were mainly built with ms in mind... so some drivers , mostly usb I see hard to fit with linux |
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| 22:00.35 | Azar | stew, remember all last week that guy with some laptop trying to fix his usb modem for linux 2.6? that's one example |
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| 22:00.52 | stew | Azar: that's in no way laptop specific |
| 22:01.07 | _rene_ | the problem is that many usb modem are simply no modems anymore |
| 22:01.17 | Beakster | hi, im just about to install debian on a P2 400MHz. Is it going to be easy to tell it to use IceWM instead of Gnome? |
| 22:01.26 | stew | _rene_: he actaully had an unsupported usb chipset, it wsan't even recognizing a mouse |
| 22:01.31 | thingfish | I supported gateway laptops a year before they moved me to business desktops. I really don't care to own a laptop, especially since I don't need one for travel. |
| 22:01.34 | _rene_ | uuurk:( |
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| 22:01.38 | kiemcm | what was a linux install for a USB stick that i could try? seeing as i cant get this to work :( |
| 22:01.41 | thingfish | they're a pain in the ass. |
| 22:01.56 | Azar | Beakster: you could install base only then install what you want for a destkop manager |
| 22:02.07 | stew | Beakster: yes, after the install is complete run "apt-get install icewm x-window-system-core" |
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| 22:03.50 | oscar | alguien sabe como agregar freebsd al grub |
| 22:04.01 | pipeline | oscar: #debian-es , bud |
| 22:04.05 | Azar | !es |
| 22:04.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:04.20 | oscar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.34 | thingfish | !cerveza oscar |
| 22:04.38 | thingfish | :/ |
| 22:04.55 | sharpy | hmm.. |
| 22:05.09 | Azar | someone update dpkg: ...#debian-es alli obteneran ayuda en su idioma |
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| 22:05.28 | thingfish | I thought it'd be 'obtendran' |
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| 22:05.41 | sharpy | Azar: obtendran NOT obteneran. |
| 22:05.42 | Azar | thingfish: sorry yes a typo: obtendran |
| 22:05.47 | elliotf_ | how do I go about preventing debian-installer from checking package signatures? |
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| 22:08.38 | Thanatermesis | who set the variable $DISPLAY ? bash ? |
| 22:08.39 | Azar | I see nothing has changed unfortunately: I thought Debian started to accept donations, still nothing moving there yet |
| 22:08.41 | sharpy | unstable, it would be a lot more fun with sound. |
| 22:09.13 | unstable | sharpy: Play an ogg file in the background? |
| 22:09.16 | stew | Thanatermesis: X |
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| 22:09.26 | nse | hello all! i am using debian etch and since i connected a hard disk to hdb my system became really slow. there was nothing connected to hdb before, and that's all i did, nothing more. could someone help me to make everything okay? |
| 22:09.30 | sharpy | unstable, no i mean ...sounds that are part of the game. :-) |
| 22:09.35 | unstable | sharpy: Or submit a patch with sound, heh.(would be easy programming) |
| 22:09.49 | sharpy | unstable, it would be? I am willing to learn. |
| 22:10.14 | thingfish | nse: what kind of drive is it? |
| 22:10.29 | sharpy | unstable, brb.. i am going to try ICEwm |
| 22:10.41 | Thanatermesis | stew im a little lost trying to found a way to look if a script are trying to launch a graphical thing in a "X display number", where is the same to you are actually... |
| 22:10.48 | Thanatermesis | but im not sure if this is posible :/ |
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| 22:10.54 | kiemcm | right im off guys thanks for the help so far. il be on again when i get my new HDD and start having problems with that one |
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| 22:11.07 | elliotf | is there no way for debian-installer to ignore package signatures? |
| 22:11.11 | thingfish | nse: I mean, pata? sata? |
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| 22:11.14 | thingfish | scsi? |
| 22:11.27 | Thanatermesis | stew more exactly for ivman... ivman launch me graphical applications... but if i have 2 or more users running X, i don't want to the all the events are launched also in the another display's of the another usres |
| 22:11.27 | nse | thingfish: its is a samsumg ide 80GB |
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| 22:11.43 | stew | Thanatermesis: are you using my ivman package? |
| 22:11.56 | thingfish | nse: is it the only drive on its controller? If not, do you have it jumpered correctly? |
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| 22:12.04 | Azar | Thanatermesis: if you are interested, bash scripting tutorial: http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.php |
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| 22:12.44 | thingfish | nse: does it use wide ribbed cable, or a thin red one to attach to the motherboard? |
| 22:13.03 | stew | Thanatermesis: my ivman package includes a file in /etc/Xsession.d which will start ivman running as the user logging into X, and that ivman should have the DISPLAY variable set correctly |
| 22:13.17 | TonyRad | Hello. I'm having a small issue with setting up my ftp server. I'm not sure where to look to fix it. Basically, I try to connect and it says address not found. I'm using vsftp. Any thoughts? |
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| 22:13.34 | jshriver | Is it possible to install applications from testing without completly converting to testing? |
| 22:13.37 | stew | Thanatermesis: and i've tested this. I have gnome-ssh-askpass pop up on my desktop when i insert a usb key with a ssh-key on it |
| 22:13.41 | jshriver | There's some apps I wont that aren't available under stable |
| 22:13.43 | nse | thingfish: maybe i am having a trouble with this issue of controllers. becouse i am not knowing how to lable them. my old hd is at the end of the ide1 cable, and this new one at the middle of the same cable. both of the hds are without jumpers |
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| 22:13.44 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, who launch's this scripts stew ? the x-login-manager ? |
| 22:13.52 | stew | Thanatermesis: yes |
| 22:14.07 | Thanatermesis | bad... the x-login-manager to i use i don't think to supports this :/ |
| 22:14.09 | stew | jshriver: its possible but a very bad idea. you should use backports /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:14.32 | thingfish | nse: that could likely be your problem. normal pata ide drives need to be set master/slave, or sometimes cable select but I prefer to just do it master/slave. |
| 22:14.46 | jshriver | hrm guess I could just compile it myself then.. |
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| 22:15.03 | jshriver | trying to get podcatcher.. I apt-geted before when Iw as running testing, but seems absent in stable |
| 22:15.30 | thingfish | nse: that is, if they're on the same cable. |
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| 22:16.18 | thingfish | nse: go to your drive's manufacturer's website, and look for the configuration options for your particular drives. |
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| 22:16.54 | thingfish | of course you'll need the actual jumpers. |
| 22:16.56 | jshriver | are there any podcasting programs in stable like podcaster? Something commandline based I can just feed it some RSS feeds and it will grab them for me daily? |
| 22:16.57 | stew | Thanatermesis: you could also start it in .xinitrc or .xsession. or you can do something hacky like: w | awk '/$USER/{print $3}' | head -1 |
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| 22:17.00 | Thanatermesis | basically the x-login-manager launch the /etc/X11/Xsession (with root) before to login in the user stew ? |
| 22:17.12 | stew | Thanatermesis: oh that awk thing isn't quite right |
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| 22:17.58 | jesus_ | hey i keep getting command not found when i type m-a at the console and it doesnt find it at apt-get |
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| 22:18.01 | jshriver | also curious how much more stuff is in testing that's not in stable? just for podcasting there was a lot of stuff in testing, let alone a lot of other apps |
| 22:18.05 | stew | Thanatermesis: no, it starts X, then drops privs to stew and runs the /etc/X11/Xsession script which in turn sources scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 22:18.21 | stew | jesus_: apt-get install module-assistant ; /msg dpkg search |
| 22:18.23 | StormTide | anyone know how to resolve *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined]... I'm trying to make-kpkg and ive specified a subarch as i386 to no avail |
| 22:18.27 | jesus_ | thnx |
| 22:18.37 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... i think to nots is supported but... let me make some tests... |
| 22:18.44 | stew | jesus_: /msg dpkg dstats stable ; /msg dpkg dstats testing |
| 22:18.46 | StormTide | im trying to create a custom kernel on a vps to create a etch installer that will support my sata gear |
| 22:18.52 | stew | Thanatermesis: which login manager are you using? |
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| 22:19.26 | nse | thingfish: yes that's my problem, maybe both of the drivers are trying to be master, and this is causing the system to be slow |
| 22:19.27 | jshriver | Which is the most recommended set stable, testing, unstable? and how unstable is testing? |
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| 22:19.48 | thingfish | nse: so power down and fix it. |
| 22:19.54 | jind | Which ftp program is ok for a fast and simple ftp server? |
| 22:20.04 | jshriver | wsftpd |
| 22:20.18 | Thanatermesis | stew entrance |
| 22:20.23 | stew | jshriver: stable is the most recommended. the problem with testing is that sometimes large numbers of pacakges are removed so that major transistions can occur, for instance, several times recently, large parts of gnome and kde were removed from testing |
| 22:20.28 | jshriver | er wuftpd |
| 22:20.29 | ooev | where do you begin to look into after your linux desktop suddenly freezes and manual cold reboot? |
| 22:20.35 | peterS | jind: vsftpd is very popular |
| 22:20.50 | jshriver | ooev: /var/log I think |
| 22:20.52 | jesus_ | where do u execute 'dpkg dstats stable' |
| 22:21.04 | thingfish | ooev: doing it a lot? |
| 22:21.18 | jind | peterS, thanks. Since this will be the first ftp server it may as well be that one :) |
| 22:21.59 | ooev | thingfish: not really. first time in last 2 months. i just install skype and run it. suddenly freezes |
| 22:22.23 | Azar | o/t reading a tutorial about command line use and I love the intro: makes perfect description of what I like to think about the GUI: " I once heard an author remark that when you are a child you use a computer by looking at the pictures. When you grow up, you learn to read and write. " |
| 22:22.23 | ooev | jshriver: which file please?? |
| 22:22.27 | thingfish | ooev: well it's either something installing skype did, or it's something else. :) |
| 22:22.37 | jshriver | no idea off hand.. never had that happen.. just that's where all of the logs are |
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| 22:23.54 | thingfish | ooev: not much you can do unless it happens again, aside from searching logs. lockups are kind of hard to diagnose. |
| 22:24.22 | Thanatermesis | the only thing to i found on the configuration files stew, is "xserver: /usr/X11R6/bin/X -quiet -dpi 100 nolisten tcp vt9", but i don't think to its related with the xsession things |
| 22:24.26 | TonyRad | Hello. I'm having a small issue with setting up my ftp server. I'm not sure where to look to fix it. Basically, I try to connect and it says address not found. I'm using vsftp. Any thoughts? |
| 22:24.28 | Beakster | hey, how fast is a minimal install of debian going to be on an ond pc, compared with slackware? |
| 22:25.01 | thingfish | Beakster: a base install of Debian is very fast. |
| 22:25.11 | thingfish | like, very very fast. |
| 22:25.17 | Beakster | im planning to ut IceWM on it |
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| 22:25.28 | Beakster | then run mythtv frontend |
| 22:25.33 | Beakster | what else will i need to install? |
| 22:25.37 | stew | Thanatermesis: "w | awk "/$USER.*pts/{print \$3}" | head -1" <- there's the hacky solution |
| 22:25.41 | Azar | Beakster: Woody , the old stable is like almost half Sarge the actual stable. without kde or gnome you could make it nice |
| 22:25.45 | ooev | thingfish: right..... well it'd better not freeze again, :) |
| 22:25.49 | DarkCow | yeah, it seemed pretty snappy on my 486DX with 16mB of ram |
| 22:25.50 | thingfish | who knows. icewm, of course, then your mythtv stuff. |
| 22:26.10 | stew | Thanatermesis: does entrance really not support .xinitrc or .xsession? that's sucky. you should patch it |
| 22:26.15 | thingfish | ooev: sometimes it's hardware. you'd just better hope that this is not the start of a component failure. |
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| 22:26.39 | Thanatermesis | yeah stew i like to patch but... im not coder =/ |
| 22:26.40 | Ali | hi all |
| 22:26.41 | ooev | thingfish: cry :( |
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| 22:26.44 | thingfish | ooev: the truly over-anxious would probably choose to run memtest86+ at this time. |
| 22:27.01 | Thanatermesis | stew it supports .xsession i think... but i need to have anything on it ? |
| 22:27.22 | thingfish | well of course if you have $$$, hardware problems are no big deal. :) |
| 22:27.23 | Ali | i need some help with pppd please |
| 22:27.35 | Thanatermesis | im not sure but i think to the .xsession is launched only when i don't select any WM (then launch this for launch the default) |
| 22:27.37 | beardy | Ali: Just ask your question. |
| 22:27.41 | Ali | i want to make a pppd call on startup |
| 22:27.48 | stew | Thanatermesis: if it supports .xsession then DISPLAY should be set when it runs the .xsession, just drop ivman into .xsession before starting the window manager |
| 22:27.59 | beardy | !ru at boot |
| 22:28.03 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 22:28.04 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
| 22:28.05 | ooev | thingfish: do i need a floppy disk for that memtest? |
| 22:28.14 | beardy | Ali: But why? |
| 22:28.24 | Ali | adsl connection |
| 22:28.34 | Azar | pppd on adsl? |
| 22:28.43 | Ali | yes |
| 22:28.50 | Ali | ueagle-atm |
| 22:28.59 | Azar | Ali: this is interesting, I will watch too |
| 22:29.01 | Ali | what is this file for ? /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot |
| 22:29.02 | thingfish | ooev: it'll run from one, or at least it used to. it might even be on the first Debian install cd, or the netinstall. anyway it's tiny - I burn it to a cdrw for handiness' sake. |
| 22:29.24 | thingfish | ooev: but yeah you have to boot to it. |
| 22:29.33 | beardy | Ali: Hopefully it says what it is in it's first lines, have a look. |
| 22:29.37 | cheal | Ali: not sure, but AFAIK it's deprecated |
| 22:29.50 | cheal | Ali: can't pppoeconf do what you want? |
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| 22:30.04 | SerajewelKS | ooev: if you have debian installed, you can apt-get install memtest86 (or somesuch) and add it to lilo/grub |
| 22:30.13 | stew | isn't pppoeconf deprecated too? |
| 22:30.16 | Ali | cheal: don't know, i am kinda used to gento, so ... |
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| 22:30.31 | beardy | SerajewelKS: IIRC it gets added automagically whn you install it. |
| 22:30.45 | SerajewelKS | beardy: i thought so, but i've only installed it once ;) |
| 22:31.04 | SerajewelKS | beardy: ah the joy of linux... installing things once... |
| 22:31.07 | htrp | what do i need to 'whois' .info domains? |
| 22:31.22 | cheal | Ali: well, unless you're using some other tool also available in Gentoo, I'd recommend to use pppoeconf over manually editing files (but beware #334361) |
| 22:31.24 | beardy | ooev: It's also available on many livecd:s, SystemRescueCD and knoppix and variants at least. |
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| 22:31.44 | ooev | got it~~ thx a lot guys |
| 22:32.05 | Thanatermesis | stew actually the thing to i use is to here, in the moment of login, a special (user) script is launched in every login on the WM... but i don't finish to understand what you mean with this... my problem is to if i launch another WM from another user (a simple startx -- :1 for example), it launch the ivman graphical things, but the another user, also |
| 22:32.06 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: for me it's that, but also the fact that 1+1 always = 2 in linux, whereas in windows god knows what you'll get. |
| 22:32.20 | Ali | cheal: i am used to /etc/conf.d |
| 22:32.41 | thingfish | well at least in sarge it does. :) |
| 22:32.41 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: and if you reinstall stuff, it will *probably* = 2 |
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| 22:32.48 | thingfish | yep |
| 22:32.51 | cheal | Ali: as you want. then all I can tell you is that file is deprecated |
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| 22:33.55 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: i work at my university's ITS helpdesk. my largest chunk of hours is 3, which is probably good. i get to work with windows, fixing id-ten-t and pebkac errors. |
| 22:34.06 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:34.08 | beardy | !pppoeconf |
| 22:34.08 | dpkg | hmm... pppoeconf is a user-friendly utility to configure a PPPoE connection (normally over DSL). Can be installed with "apt-get install pppoeconf" if not already preinstalled (it is on most systems). Use "ifup" isntead of "pon" after using it once. |
| 22:34.16 | beardy | Ali: ^^^ |
| 22:34.31 | ooev | one more question though. this memtest86+ can test memory reservedd by BIOS? |
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| 22:34.44 | thingfish | I know all about that, SerajewelKS. be careful, because it will drive you to psychiatric medication quicker than shit. |
| 22:34.49 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: the only thing that keeps me sane is the fact that i can ssh to my box. |
| 22:34.50 | ooev | i have 4G installed. BIOS recognizes but only reports 3.5G to linux |
| 22:35.01 | beardy | !pppoeconf is =~ s/isntead/instead/ |
| 22:35.01 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'pppoeconf is' to modify, beardy |
| 22:35.09 | abrotman | ooev: it's PAED |
| 22:35.11 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:35.12 | abrotman | PAE |
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| 22:35.47 | thingfish | in fact I'd say windows probably contributes to alcoholism, and alcoholic IT workers should maybe try suing MS. |
| 22:35.58 | thingfish | ;) |
| 22:36.06 | beardy | bah.. fixed.. |
| 22:36.08 | ooev | abrotman: i can get back that 0.5G in linux? PAE in XP doesnt work. |
| 22:36.33 | vhuren | /usr/bin/rsync -avqrue "ssh -i /home/nova/.ssh/id_rsa_flashup" "/sites/www.bodogmusic.com/htdocs/media/music/TheSpaceBetween-04-O.C._fd7bf3a2390da8ae3b093b2c3b2b4af4.mp3" sshacs@riptown.upload.akamai.com:/23522/BodogMusic/music/ |
| 22:36.44 | vhuren | err.. |
| 22:36.44 | abrotman | ooev: it's used for mapping |
| 22:36.47 | abrotman | !pae |
| 22:36.58 | abrotman | ooev: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAE |
| 22:36.59 | beardy | !tell FabParma -about root |
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| 22:37.07 | vhuren | why doesnt rsync work with files with periods? |
| 22:37.08 | SerajewelKS | ooev: if you have SP>=1 installed for windows, you should see the whole drive. otherwise either your BIOS config isn't set to LBA, or the capacity-limiting jumper is set. |
| 22:37.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: RAM .. not disk |
| 22:37.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ohh.. my bad |
| 22:37.41 | abrotman | indeed |
| 22:37.45 | SerajewelKS | ... who the hell needs 4gb of ram |
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| 22:38.01 | abrotman | oracle? |
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| 22:38.13 | SerajewelKS | on windows? bah |
| 22:38.16 | Ali | cheal: i have a pppoa connection |
| 22:38.19 | Ali | not pppoe |
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| 22:38.41 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me with my box? It works fine in single user mode, but when it switches to any mode above that, it gives me errors like " error while loading shared libraries: libcrypt.so.1" suggesting that it is unable to load ANY shared library |
| 22:38.41 | abrotman | on any OS |
| 22:38.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: though i recently did upgrade to 1gb from 512mb specifically for NFSMW and VMWare |
| 22:38.57 | kainam | just setting up the old legacy iptables scripts (ie /etc/init.d/iptables)... just wondering how to add it to the start up? |
| 22:39.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: my laptop has 768MB :) |
| 22:39.10 | cheal | Ali: ah, I don't know about pppoa |
| 22:39.23 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: is your root volume encrypted? |
| 22:39.38 | Ali | cheal: that's why pppoeconf won't work |
| 22:39.39 | ftp3 | i just dug a debian box out of a closet and plugged it into my network.. it shows up with an internal ip (10.92.1.5) and I can ssh in from my local network, but the machine cannot see/ping anything outside of here.. there is no external firewall.. what should i be looking for? |
| 22:39.50 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: not that I know of |
| 22:39.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i do notice a large increase in responsiveness, particularly when switching out of a full-screen game to google something. |
| 22:40.03 | abrotman | why does everyone assume i have Word? |
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| 22:40.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i pretty much never hit swap :) |
| 22:40.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah i don't... anymore |
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| 22:40.48 | stew | Ali: have you read /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian ? |
| 22:40.51 | thingfish | abrotman: oh surely you're a modern computer user, aren't you? we don't need to report you to Central Command, do we? |
| 22:40.53 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: has it just started doing this? |
| 22:40.59 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 22:41.01 | burd | is there a fix for k3bsetup in etch? |
| 22:41.01 | Ali | stew: nop |
| 22:41.05 | Ali | i'll read it thank you :) |
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| 22:41.07 | evaded | !tell kainam about startup |
| 22:41.09 | abrotman | thingfish: for what |
| 22:41.10 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:41.14 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: ever since the libc6 2.3.6-7 upgrade |
| 22:41.17 | cheal | burd: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:41.19 | ooev | abrotman: i just read that PAE on wiki... |
| 22:41.22 | burd | ty |
| 22:41.27 | abrotman | ooev: do you understand ? |
| 22:41.29 | ooev | abrotman: not sure what i can do about it. |
| 22:41.30 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: etch/sid? |
| 22:41.34 | ooev | abrotman: no i dont. |
| 22:41.36 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 22:41.41 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: sid |
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| 22:41.46 | abrotman | ooev: not a darn thing .. it uses part of your 4GB to address the RAM |
| 22:41.47 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: "yeah" is not an answer to a multiple choice ;) |
| 22:41.53 | __nev__ | one question for the apt people... I'm going to reinstall ubuntu (debian is the same), and I don't want to loose apt-cache... can I just save /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb or should I save control files in there too? |
| 22:41.57 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: checked the BTS on libc6? |
| 22:42.01 | ftp3 | anyone have a clue for me and my question? |
| 22:42.12 | ifvoid | __nev__: don't ask ubuntu questions here |
| 22:42.13 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: yeah, I have another box that works with the same version |
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| 22:42.22 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: bts doesn't have anything that relates to what I have |
| 22:42.25 | SerajewelKS | __nev__: how do you "lose" apt-cache |
| 22:42.31 | thingfish | __nev__: just the .debs. and that's the last help you'll get because ubuntu is not supported here. |
| 22:42.41 | __nev__ | can I recreate those control files somehow just by putting deb files in there and running apt- something? |
| 22:42.49 | SerajewelKS | __nev__: apt-cache does *not* use your download .deb cache |
| 22:42.51 | thingfish | __nev__: ask #ubuntu |
| 22:42.53 | chaedaeX | ftp3: can it ping the gateway? |
| 22:42.59 | vhuren | how do /usr/bin/rsync -avqrue "ssh -i /home/xavier/.ssh/idea_rsa.key" "/sites/www.webforum.com/htdocs/media/music/TheSpaceBetween-04-O.C._fd7bf3a2390da8ae3b093b2c3b2b4af4.mp3" shsoac@webacs.upload.akamai.com:/222/music/ |
| 22:43.01 | vhuren | err.. |
| 22:43.02 | __nev__ | ahh, come on guys, it's apt-get question not ubuntu or debian... |
| 22:43.02 | SerajewelKS | __nev__: it uses the package lists downloaded with apt-get update |
| 22:43.19 | ifvoid | __nev__: go and ask #ubuntu |
| 22:43.27 | ifvoid | this is a _debian_ support channel |
| 22:43.32 | abrotman | thingfish: why am i in trouble? |
| 22:43.35 | ooev | abrotman: PAE's 36-bit address helps to solve this so that all of the mem is available to users. |
| 22:43.41 | thingfish | __nev__: ubuntu jacks things all up. install Debian. |
| 22:43.41 | ifvoid | we'd be happy to help you with all your debian rpoblems |
| 22:43.59 | SerajewelKS | __nev__: and you still haven't define what it means to "lose apt-cache" |
| 22:44.02 | SerajewelKS | defined* |
| 22:44.13 | stew | SerajewelKS: if you want to know, please ask him in #ubuntu |
| 22:44.14 | thingfish | abrotman: I was going to say that not having Word is subversive, but I pooped out. |
| 22:44.24 | abrotman | thingfish: what came out? |
| 22:44.38 | thingfish | hehe that's terrible |
| 22:44.54 | __nev__ | ifvoid: ok... I have debian server... I'd like to reinstall it, but not lose all cache debs... can I just save *.deb files in /var/cache/apt/archive or copy the whole dir? |
| 22:45.26 | ftp3 | chaedaex, good point. Whats the command line to add another ip address/gateway? (is that possible?) |
| 22:45.30 | SerajewelKS | __nev__: if you're installing debian in place of ubuntu, as you said, you do *not* want to save the cached .deb files, because they will be ubuntu .debs |
| 22:45.31 | __nev__ | SerajewelKS: apt cache of downloaded deb files... |
| 22:45.33 | Azar | I just found a file named "core" on my /home directory I can't see its contents, and I have no idea what it is and how got here? |
| 22:45.49 | jplibre | it's hilarious - there is more traffic here with people refusing to help with debian variants than I never knew existed |
| 22:45.51 | thingfish | I told you but I guess you missed it. |
| 22:46.06 | ifvoid | Azar: cores are written by program that exist uncleanly |
| 22:46.15 | __nev__ | SerajewelKS: It's distribution agnostic question anyway... it's apt question... |
| 22:46.18 | ifvoid | Azar: they cna eb used for debugging, to see what went wrong |
| 22:46.21 | thingfish | jplibre: if you ran mandriva, would the people in #fedora support you? |
| 22:46.27 | ooev | abrotman: let the BIOS use mapping address beyond 4G. then BIOS and OS wont have a conflict. |
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| 22:46.38 | SerajewelKS | __nev__: no it's not. you do not want to be using one distribution's .debs with another distribution. |
| 22:46.40 | ifvoid | Azar: it's safe to remove, and you can prevent getting them by ulimit coredumpsize -\ |
| 22:46.46 | chaedaeX | ftp3: read the section on configuring network at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/gs.html |
| 22:46.46 | abrotman | ooev: ask #kernel .. but i don't htink you can do anything about it |
| 22:46.53 | thingfish | jplibre: go into #suse and ask for help configuring centos. |
| 22:46.56 | Azar | ifvoid: I just did "aptitude update/upgrade" this morning and configured for etch secure updates.. I guess might come from there |
| 22:47.01 | jplibre | jplibre: Sure, out of channel |
| 22:47.05 | Azar | thanks ifvoid |
| 22:47.10 | ooev | abrotman: thanks. |
| 22:47.11 | jplibre | also there are not 800 people in #fedora |
| 22:47.26 | chaedaeX | ftp3: and maybe install/read debian-reference |
| 22:47.27 | thingfish | yeah, well that's a whole 'nother story. |
| 22:47.27 | Azar | jplibre: what is your issue? |
| 22:47.31 | sharpy | if I want to install Realplayer what directory should i put it in so ALL users can use it? |
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| 22:47.41 | sharpy | i am using GNOME. |
| 22:47.42 | ifvoid | sharpy: use the debian package |
| 22:47.52 | jplibre | Azar: what is your issue? |
| 22:47.53 | SerajewelKS | __nev__: if you are reinstalling the same distribution, then yes i suppose it would be safe to copy the apt cache. (note that "apt cache" is not the same as "apt-cache") |
| 22:47.56 | Coke | I'm ripping a CD and it is slower than 1x, I have checked that DMA is enabled, why is it so slow? |
| 22:47.57 | sharpy | ifvoid, oh ok.. |
| 22:48.10 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: any ideas? |
| 22:48.19 | ooev | will try that memtest now. bye. |
| 22:48.22 | SerajewelKS | Coke: if the CD is copy-protected, it might be hitting bad sector protection. |
| 22:48.22 | __nev__ | SerajewelKS: ok... thanks... |
| 22:48.33 | Azar | jplibre: my issue, while I get help you seem to fill up with complaints? |
| 22:48.33 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: not really, i try to avoid sid |
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| 22:48.49 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: at what point of the boot process does this message display |
| 22:49.22 | ftp3 | well, i found the file with the IP /etc/network/interfaces <- what is the name of the file that contains the gateway? its not in interfaces |
| 22:49.37 | chiche | ... |
| 22:49.37 | SerajewelKS | ftp3: you put it there. man interfaces |
| 22:49.40 | chaedaeX | ftp3: man interfaces |
| 22:49.42 | jplibre | Azar: no clue what you're talking about, but I'll lend a hand if you have a question |
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| 22:50.05 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: I can boot into single user and things like ls, df and apt commands work fine. However, when I boot to init 5, I can login to root from commandline and then when I run ANY command, I get those types of messages. |
| 22:50.10 | Coke | SerajewelKS: Ok. Hm, I don't read any errors. |
| 22:50.27 | ftp3 | thank you |
| 22:50.29 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: and its a bunch of libraries. I think it is unable to load ANY shared library that any program needs |
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| 22:50.41 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: boot single and try running "ldconfig" and reboot? |
| 22:50.42 | stew | EruditeHermit: what does "md5sum /lib/libcrypt.so.1" say? |
| 22:51.07 | EruditeHermit | stew: that doesn't work |
| 22:51.09 | EruditeHermit | err |
| 22:51.13 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: that doesn't work |
| 22:51.16 | EruditeHermit | stew: let me try that |
| 22:51.20 | SerajewelKS | Coke: it might not give them until the CD craps out completely on a sector.. it might just be having a hard time reading it. |
| 22:51.26 | EruditeHermit | stew: I seem to remember running debsums -s and it was ok |
| 22:51.27 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: how could you have tried it that fast |
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| 22:52.03 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: I did ldconfig before many times |
| 22:52.07 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: ah |
| 22:52.11 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: i've been at this for a week =p |
| 22:52.26 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: is reinstalling an option? just to see if it has any effect |
| 22:52.37 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: I really don't want to reinstall |
| 22:52.49 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: any particular reason? |
| 22:52.52 | nxvl | i want to install debian but i haven't a CD-drive or a Floppy |
| 22:52.56 | nxvl | is there any way to install it throu the net? |
| 22:53.02 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: there are way too many things on this machine for a reinstall |
| 22:53.08 | stew | nxvl: do you already have a working linux install or any flavor? |
| 22:53.13 | SerajewelKS | nxvl: if you want to mess with setting up a TFTP server you can PXE boot the netinstall |
| 22:53.14 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: it would take forever to get it to the same shape |
| 22:53.23 | stew | ^or^of |
| 22:53.28 | SerajewelKS | nxvl: or take out the drive and debootstrap it from another system |
| 22:53.33 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: I tried to do a reinstall of all packages but I got a dependency cycle |
| 22:53.36 | marco13185 | anyone know if it's safe to dist-upgrade unstable. They seem to have updated a lot of packages |
| 22:53.38 | nxvl | stew: yes a gentoo and im installing a LFS |
| 22:53.50 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: it's never safe to dist-upgrade unstable |
| 22:54.03 | stew | nxvl: you can install debian with debootstrap, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 22:54.11 | EruditeHermit | stew: hte md5sum checks out fine |
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| 22:54.44 | Ronin | marco13185: define safe |
| 22:54.52 | kainam | evaded, okay ... i guess i need to create a wrapper script for the legacy /etc/init.d/iptables so it runs "start" ? |
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| 22:55.11 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: by installing sid you chose to install an "unsafe" system |
| 22:55.24 | marco13185 | Ronin, if I was up to date yesterday, and today I see a whole bunch of updated packages, will upgrading kill my PC |
| 22:55.29 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: you want a safe system, use sarge. if you want a marginally safe system, etch. |
| 22:55.37 | Ronin | marco13185: well its not called unstable for no reason |
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| 22:55.49 | marco13185 | SerajewelKS, I know, which is why I was asking if this update was safe |
| 22:55.55 | evaded | kainam: You need to so that you're script automatically start when you boot that box. Yes, you can use /etc/init.d/iptables start/restart/stop |
| 22:55.56 | stew | marco13185: /topic |
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| 22:56.05 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 22:56.11 | stew | marco13185: /msg dpkg apt-listbugs |
| 22:56.15 | jethro | marco13185: read debian-devel and use apt-listchanges, or quit tracking unstable |
| 22:56.16 | evaded | s/to\ so/to\ do\ so |
| 22:56.18 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: as i said, every update is unsafe |
| 22:56.30 | kainam | evaded, so instead of creating a symlink like the help you dpkg'd to me, its safe to create a little script therE? :) |
| 22:56.33 | jethro | SerajewelKS: FUD |
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| 22:56.37 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: you use sid if you like fixing things or you're a DD. otherwise you have no business using it. |
| 22:56.50 | evaded | kainam: _Do_ like dpkg have told you |
| 22:56.52 | SerajewelKS | jethro: "unsafe" meaning there is a good chance it will break |
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| 22:57.04 | powder | Hello all. I want to remove galeon, but apt says it will also remove gnome-desktop-environment along with it. Is that ok to remove or will it hose my system? |
| 22:57.12 | SerajewelKS | jethro: i do not mean every update will break it, but if you want a "safe" system, unstable will break at some point. |
| 22:57.13 | abrotman | it's a metapackage |
| 22:57.14 | jethro | SerajewelKS: are you using unstable? |
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| 22:57.28 | stew | powder: that is ok, g-d-e is just a metapacakge used to bring in other packages, it doesn't have any functionality on its own |
| 22:57.29 | SerajewelKS | jethro: i track it inside of qemu |
| 22:57.38 | kainam | evaded, that wont work... unless it gets ran with a "start" param ... ? |
| 22:57.38 | StereoSkit | nxvl: o_O |
| 22:57.39 | jethro | SerajewelKS: yes if you bldinly and stupidly upgrade/dist-upgrade, you'll have rproblems |
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| 22:57.44 | powder | stew, thanks! :) |
| 22:57.49 | SerajewelKS | jethro: which is my point |
| 22:57.50 | evaded | kainam: Or if you reboot, yes |
| 22:57.53 | jethro | SerajewelKS: but I'd bame idiocy rather than unstable |
| 22:57.54 | nxvl | StereoSkit: foo |
| 22:58.13 | SerajewelKS | jethro: i blame the idiocy of choosing unstable over testing |
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| 22:58.14 | abrotman | !qotd163 is <jethro> SerajewelKS: but I'd bame idiocy rather than unstable |
| 22:58.15 | dpkg | ...but qotd163 is already something else... |
| 22:58.17 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:58.22 | noob_ | flexbackup -- do you recommend it or something else? (sarge) |
| 22:58.26 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 22:58.34 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,bootstrap |
| 22:58.34 | dpkg | [bootstrap] the method of booting an OS, ask about ybin, yaboot, Apple_Bootstrap, quik, lilo, silo, or grub. |
| 22:58.36 | evaded | kainam: But you need to have that symlink on the right place like dpkg have say |
| 22:58.43 | jethro | abrotman: you could have fixed my typo :) |
| 22:58.46 | StereoSkit | nxvl: ask dpkg |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | jethro: that was the point |
| 22:59.01 | SerajewelKS | IMO there should be a channel specifically for sid questions |
| 22:59.04 | jethro | !dict bame |
| 22:59.06 | dpkg | could not find definition for bame |
| 22:59.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:59.28 | kainam | evaded, and the thing that runs it actually passes "start" as a param? otherwise the script that is symlinked wont run... the script being the legacy debian iptables script |
| 22:59.33 | FabParma | is it possible to skip tha appletalk services search whe debian is booting? ps:i don't need appletalk at all, thank you |
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| 22:59.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no .. if you're not smart enough to figure it out .. you' shouldn't be running it |
| 22:59.54 | kainam | that said, i did already put it into run level 3, and reboot - with no luck |
| 23:00.08 | evaded | kainam: I not been understand, you do been '/etc/init.d/iptable start' ? |
| 23:00.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: exactly, that is what i say. but people smart enough to use it should have a place to ask a geniune question about breakage that they cannot seem to fix. |
| 23:00.23 | Azar | hi jethro I guess people with no linux experience are lured by some others to go up to sid because is "leet" and are told that sid is the newest version of Debian. Not that they actually pay attention to sid description: unstable |
| 23:00.42 | jethro | Azar: yes. |
| 23:00.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: mind you i don't use unstable (as i said i monitor it inside qemu to see what's up and what will soon enter etch) |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you know .. there's a web page for that right? |
| 23:01.12 | jethro | hah |
| 23:01.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 23:01.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: pshh, sure, but i want to experiment with things, not just see what packages were changed |
| 23:01.41 | kainam | evaded, your telling me too symlink /etc/init.d/iptables into somewhere like /etc/rc3.d/S05iptables ... which is cool, but did not work - and i suspect it doesn not work because the _thing_ that executes those scripts upon bootup does not pass a param of "start" too it |
| 23:01.45 | sharpy | in your opinion guys, what would be a good application to open .pls files from shoutcast? |
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| 23:01.51 | abrotman | xmms ? |
| 23:01.54 | sharpy | to listen to streams.. |
| 23:02.02 | jshriver | How do you install and setup proftpd? I'm getting errors out of the box.. |
| 23:02.04 | evaded | kainam: Not needed |
| 23:02.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: seeing as i might go through the NM process soon i figure it'd be good to get acquainted with unstable |
| 23:02.09 | jshriver | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 23:02.22 | Azar | marco13185: just out of curiosity, why are you using sid? someone told you is a better Debian version? |
| 23:02.24 | jplibre | sharpy: xmms ... that kde player if you use kde |
| 23:02.28 | FabParma | is it possible to skip the appletalk services search while debian is booting? ps:i don't need appletalk at all, thank you |
| 23:02.29 | stew | kainam: it does pass start, but note that debian uses runlevel 2 by default, not 3 |
| 23:02.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: best of luck .. hope you're patient |
| 23:02.36 | evaded | kainam: Look to you're log, i'm sure there are an little problem with you're script then and that's why it fail to execute i guess |
| 23:02.38 | abrotman | FabParma: hit ctrl-c ? |
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| 23:02.46 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i procrastinate, so likely i'll forget i even applied a week later |
| 23:02.49 | jplibre | FabParma: check your /etc/rcX.d, where X is probably 2 |
| 23:02.53 | kainam | stew, oh! that may be it |
| 23:02.57 | jshriver | FabParma, wondering that myself.. |
| 23:03.04 | evaded | kainam: Are there not an error in you're script, i mean an typo errno or somethings similar |
| 23:03.05 | jsn | Alsa is definitely installed, and sound is working, but how do I know if alsa is being used? There is a problem in that the volume is very, very low. |
| 23:03.06 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm sure someone will remind you |
| 23:03.10 | jsn | and alsaconf isn't there |
| 23:03.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i already have a package in testing, but it's a relatively simple single-binary package. |
| 23:03.17 | abrotman | stew: you're now NM right ? |
| 23:03.24 | stew | !maint ivman |
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| 23:03.27 | Azar | jsn: alsamixer is for volumes |
| 23:03.32 | dpkg | ivman: Mike O'Connor <stew@vireo.org> |
| 23:03.33 | evaded | kainam: The method that dpkg say are true man ;-) |
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| 23:03.35 | stew | abrotman: i'm not in NM yet though |
| 23:03.39 | jplibre | jshriver, FabParma: in rc2.d or whatever runlevel you are in you will see an entry for appletalk |
| 23:03.45 | abrotman | stew: i knew you were sponsored .. wasn't sure about NM |
| 23:03.52 | jshriver | jplibre, thanks :) |
| 23:03.53 | MatBoy | How is the experience with Enlightment under Debian ? |
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| 23:04.11 | jethro | MatBoy: exciting |
| 23:04.15 | abrotman | which enlightenment? |
| 23:04.23 | MatBoy | abrotman, E17 |
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| 23:04.35 | beardy | MatBoy: Hot. (See for yourself, that kind of question can get everything as an answer.) |
| 23:04.37 | jplibre | jshriver: it's 'atalk' or 'netatalk' iirc |
| 23:04.41 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 23:04.41 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 23:04.52 | FabParma | jplibre: thank you, i try |
| 23:04.53 | MatBoy | jethro, better with xinerama also ? |
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| 23:05.19 | marco13185 | Azar, I like to live on the edge |
| 23:05.21 | MatBoy | beardy, Yes indeed, but I ask for your opinion ;) I'm now with KDE... |
| 23:05.22 | jethro | MatBoy: yes, and you get a faster intarweb |
| 23:05.33 | jplibre | FabParma: you can see what runlevel you're in by using 'runlevel' too |
| 23:05.50 | MatBoy | jethro, OK, I have to find a deb-source for it than :) |
| 23:05.51 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: living on the edge comes with falling off the edge. apt-get update, and if it breaks, reconsider living on the edge. |
| 23:05.54 | jplibre | Fluxbox is exciting |
| 23:05.55 | abrotman | !why is synfigstudio not in testing |
| 23:05.55 | dpkg | synfigstudio is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=synfigstudio |
| 23:05.58 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: apt-get dist-upgrade rather |
| 23:06.09 | MatBoy | jethro, it is possible to install it next to KDE isn't it ? |
| 23:06.10 | marco13185 | SerajewelKS, yep, I know |
| 23:06.18 | evaded | kainam: In case of, paste you're script on 'pastebin' and give the url here on the people |
| 23:06.20 | beardy | MatBoy: Of course. |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | !beer pabs |
| 23:06.27 | SerajewelKS | MatBoy: you can install any amount of WMs/DEs you want |
| 23:06.28 | marco13185 | SerajewelKS, I've fucked up my install several times |
| 23:06.37 | jplibre | I'd just use straight E though |
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| 23:06.48 | jplibre | depends on what you need from kde |
| 23:06.53 | marco13185 | ??? |
| 23:06.56 | marco13185 | nm |
| 23:06.57 | MatBoy | SerajewelKS, I did it with Gnome... but I'm very carefull with my system sometimes :) |
| 23:07.09 | StereoSkit | dudes, anyone knows if gnome-cups-add is broken in unstable? |
| 23:07.17 | SerajewelKS | MatBoy: meh, i just don't like 200 extra packages installed that i never use |
| 23:07.22 | Azar | marco13185: is ok for you then there is allways a reinstall option |
| 23:07.28 | beardy | StereoSkit: Checked the bts? |
| 23:07.46 | StereoSkit | nop :( |
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| 23:08.04 | marco13185 | Azar, yep, and I really don't give a damn, because I keep a copy of all my work on my windows partition |
| 23:08.05 | SerajewelKS | which reminds me, is there some apt/deb utility that will check all extracted package files' atimes and report packages where binaries and libraries have not been used for X days so i can remove unused packages? |
| 23:08.14 | marco13185 | Azar, so if anything just happens, I can finish my work there |
| 23:08.17 | jethro | MatBoy: rename it kenlightenment so it will be closer in /usr/bin |
| 23:08.22 | abrotman | !beer pabs |
| 23:08.48 | stew | abrotman: what did pabs do? |
| 23:08.48 | thingfish | hehehe kenlightenment |
| 23:08.52 | Azar | marco13185: :) I am 6 months 100% mswin free |
| 23:08.53 | thingfish | that's great |
| 23:09.04 | SerajewelKS | kdenlightenment? |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | stew: synfigstudio is finally in sid ;) |
| 23:09.09 | stew | ahh |
| 23:09.09 | MatBoy | jethro, :p just installed it... let's see ! |
| 23:09.12 | evilbulgarian | hi, whats a good kernel IO scheduler for servers? CFQ? |
| 23:09.25 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,bts |
| 23:09.25 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 23:09.27 | jshriver | what is the dpkg option to reconfigure a package |
| 23:09.35 | beardy | !btssmite StereoSkit |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | stew: now i just need you to do Trip of the Funny Boat |
| 23:09.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell jshriver about repeat |
| 23:09.37 | jshriver | oops sorry |
| 23:09.44 | SerajewelKS | jshriver: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:09.50 | jshriver | sorry about that |
| 23:09.52 | StereoSkit | O_O |
| 23:09.55 | SerajewelKS | jshriver: s'ok |
| 23:10.02 | marco13185 | Azar, I wish to do the same. so when I build my new computer I'm gonna setup a small partition for stable, so I can fall back to it in case unstable breaks |
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| 23:11.09 | stew | abrotman: que? |
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| 23:11.20 | abrotman | stew: moment |
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| 23:11.40 | abrotman | stew: http://happypenguin.org/show?Trip%20on%20the%20Funny%20Boat |
| 23:11.44 | jr-ctba_ | boa notie a todos |
| 23:11.47 | stew | abrotman: i don't do games |
| 23:11.57 | jr-ctba_ | alguem pode me ajudar com o iptables |
| 23:11.58 | thingfish | jr-ctba_: boa noite |
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| 23:12.08 | jr-ctba_ | seguinte |
| 23:12.09 | thingfish | jr-ctba_: /join #debian-br |
| 23:12.14 | stew | abrotman: i'm in recovery from my gaming addiction |
| 23:12.18 | jr-ctba_ | tenho um fw tuxfrw |
| 23:12.20 | kainam | evaded, thank you - it does pass the correct start params - i was in the wrong run level :( thanks for your help |
| 23:12.32 | kainam | stew, thanks for pointing out the different runlevel default :) |
| 23:12.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://happypenguin.org/show?bbm |
| 23:12.34 | jr-ctba_ | porem nao to conseguindo redirecionar tudo da porta 80 para a porta 3128 |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | stew: but .. it's a funny boat! |
| 23:12.39 | jr-ctba_ | ja fiz de tudo |
| 23:12.43 | thingfish | !br |
| 23:12.43 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:12.46 | jr-ctba_ | porem ele nao fz esta funcao |
| 23:12.47 | SerajewelKS | let me refine my question: is there any program to determine which installed packages might be unused, possibly by checking the atimes of the corresponding files? |
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| 23:13.27 | evaded | kainam: Thanks dpkg, he have told you how to do ;-) |
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| 23:13.50 | sharpy | jplibre, great... xmms works wonderfully. |
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| 23:14.12 | staniel | hello |
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| 23:14.17 | kainam | can i do the same thing, if i create scripts that take the start/stop params? :D |
| 23:14.18 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: if you have a large music library, you might consider amarok (if you use kde) |
| 23:14.21 | staniel | how can I get a list of currently install programs? |
| 23:14.24 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: mmm not really. you could hack something up yourself tho. |
| 23:14.26 | staniel | err packages |
| 23:14.26 | SerajewelKS | staniel: dpkg -l |
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| 23:14.41 | sharpy | SerajewelKS, can't use KDE on this olde 850 mhz 128 meg ram laptop.. Too much of a resource hog. |
| 23:14.44 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: hmm, might make a good program to package too |
| 23:14.50 | staniel | for use later when I install on another computer |
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| 23:15.01 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: ah, then amarok is not for you.. it probably uses about as much memory as KDE does |
| 23:15.11 | sharpy | SerajewelKS, haha.. i bet. :-) |
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| 23:15.27 | jr-ctba_ | bye |
| 23:15.28 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: it kicks iTunes' ass IMO though |
| 23:15.31 | evaded | kainam: You can do it with every script. You not need that start/stop, or you start/stop it manually, then yes |
| 23:15.31 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: I think there's a "kruft" cleanup program of some kind. |
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| 23:16.00 | sharpy | SerajewelKS, i never used Itunes... dont u have to pay them to play their songs? |
| 23:16.01 | SerajewelKS | !info cruft |
| 23:16.03 | dpkg | cruft: (Find any cruft built up on your system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.9.6-0.13 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 1024 kB |
| 23:16.13 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: yeah, IMO that checks for files that aren't in any package though |
| 23:16.20 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: s/IMO/IIRC/ |
| 23:16.21 | yoshio | !info popularity-contest |
| 23:16.25 | jethro | sharpy: no |
| 23:16.27 | dpkg | popularity-contest: (Vote for your favourite packages automatically), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.33 (sid), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 23:16.41 | dingus9 | Im having trouble with a sata drive what modules are required for it to work? |
| 23:16.43 | jethro | sharpy: you can even play your illegal mp3 |
| 23:16.46 | derjohn | if i want to build a "flavour" of a kernel with make-kpkg (let's say "vserver" on a 2.6.16 in sid) ... how do I specify on the cmdline? |
| 23:16.47 | sharpy | jethro, i thought that mp3's give royalties to the creators. |
| 23:16.51 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: you can buy from the iTunes music store, but if you have local MP3/whatever files it will play them |
| 23:16.53 | sharpy | jethro, on itunes? |
| 23:16.57 | jethro | sharpy: yes |
| 23:17.04 | jethro | sharpy: you heard common FUD |
| 23:17.22 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: itunes is both a program and a store; we are talking about the program here. and no, it cannot play ogg vorbis without an extra component. |
| 23:17.24 | sharpy | jethro, FUD = ? |
| 23:17.29 | SerajewelKS | !fud |
| 23:17.29 | dpkg | it has been said that fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 23:17.50 | yoshio | SerajewelKS: http://popcon.debian.org/ says: The popularity contest project is an attempt to map the usage of Debian packages. This site publishes the statistics gathered from report sent by users of the popularity-contest package. This package sends every week the list of packages installed and the access time of relevant files to the server via email. Every day the server anonymizes the result and publishes this survey. -- maybe you can hack somethin |
| 23:18.11 | SerajewelKS | yoshio: i am well aware of how popcon works |
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| 23:18.20 | SerajewelKS | yoshio: that is more or less what prompted me to ask my question |
| 23:19.17 | SerajewelKS | mmm could probably hack up a shell script from combining dpkg -l and dpkg -L |
| 23:19.36 | sharpy | wow... this Skype thing really..really works. |
| 23:19.48 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: wow... you are really lucky then |
| 23:19.50 | unstable | Is it normal that the install process with apt-get install blah, goes slower when I have more packages, like I installed kde and gnome, and there is a noticeable difference in how fast installs go compared to when I first formatted the machine with the base install. |
| 23:20.04 | sharpy | SerajewelKS, i got the debian pkg right off their site. |
| 23:20.07 | marco13185 | haha, lol #347600 - konqueror will not run, hangs -- why do they even add the package |
| 23:20.17 | unstable | It probably takes 6 times longer to install packages compared with before. |
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| 23:20.24 | SerajewelKS | unstable: yes, because now it has to check that many more packages for dependency resolution |
| 23:20.29 | beardy | And it's really..really not Free. |
| 23:20.50 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: so did i. wait till you try to play your music and use skype at the same time. |
| 23:21.00 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: skype does not support ALSA. 'nuff said. |
| 23:21.38 | sharpy | SerajewelKS, oh.. that's a shame. But why would u listen to music while talking to someone.. now..that's rude. :-) |
| 23:22.05 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: yeah except that skype loves to hold the sound card even when you're not in a call. |
| 23:22.28 | quitte | why would anyone prefer skype over sip? |
| 23:22.51 | SerajewelKS | quitte: you know a windows user who knows how to properly set up sip behind a firewall? me neither. |
| 23:22.59 | sharpy | SerajewelKS, ahh..no wonder i read in the forums that ppl dedicate some olde debian boxes exclusively to Skype. Headless. they call it. <--whatever that means. |
| 23:22.59 | marco13185 | umm, the language is a bit ambiguous, what does this mean: #322560 - udev installation prevent the installation of other packages |
| 23:23.15 | SerajewelKS | sharpy: headless = no monitor |
| 23:23.19 | quitte | SerajewelKS: ah ok :) |
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| 23:23.33 | sharpy | SerajewelKS, ahh i c. |
| 23:23.52 | stew | abrotman: its not dfsg free |
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| 23:24.06 | SerajewelKS | quitte: skype is one of those evils that i could live with if it worked at all. |
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| 23:24.28 | SerajewelKS | quitte: i'm already using nvidia's nonfree drivers, and that's in my kernel! |
| 23:24.45 | stew | marco13185: did you actually read the bug report? |
| 23:24.48 | MatBoy | SerajewelKS, for enlightenment you only have to install: enlightenment, enlightenment-data and libimlib2 ? (when you have installed KDE |
| 23:24.48 | Supaplex | evil inside |
| 23:25.03 | abrotman | stew: what isn't? |
| 23:25.06 | SerajewelKS | MatBoy: apt-get install enlightenment #should get everything |
| 23:25.10 | marco13185 | stew, isn't that the bug report? |
| 23:25.15 | quitte | SerajewelKS: if you want gl you dont have an alternative. for voip you do. |
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| 23:25.24 | MatBoy | SerajewelKS, OK, than I have to check the error that I get... can't start it |
| 23:25.26 | abrotman | stew: funny boat? or bbm ? |
| 23:25.29 | stew | abrotman: funny boat |
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| 23:25.46 | SerajewelKS | quitte: yeah but you don't have many alternatives that windows people will be comfortable with. and considering most people i know are windows people... |
| 23:25.51 | stew | marco13185: no, thats the title of the bug report. http://bugs.debian.org/322560 |
| 23:25.57 | abrotman | stew: oh .. oh well |
| 23:26.00 | myren | how do i find out what smtp system my machine is currently using? |
| 23:26.02 | Nokia666 | hi is there anyone here good with networking and setting up multiple ip's on a dsl connection? |
| 23:26.05 | SerajewelKS | quitte: teamspeak is also okay considering you can run your own server, and therefore don't depend on a directory. |
| 23:26.09 | abrotman | myren: telnet localhost 25 |
| 23:26.14 | quitte | SerajewelKS: just use a sip to pots gateway ;)# |
| 23:26.19 | stew | abrotman: the sound and graphics are under cc, which doesn't allow commercial use |
| 23:26.21 | marco13185 | stew, thanks. Hehe, I was trying to decode ambiguous language :( |
| 23:26.24 | myren | ooh connection refused |
| 23:26.36 | kainam | is there a file that runs on bootup that i can drop just a few little commands into? |
| 23:26.38 | abrotman | stew: crappy CC! |
| 23:26.42 | myren | i'm on a satellite machine, i just want to forward mail to my actual smtp server |
| 23:26.43 | abrotman | mmm .. rain coming |
| 23:26.54 | SerajewelKS | stew: only certain CC licenses don't allow commercial use |
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| 23:26.59 | thingfish | we've had rain for the past 3 days. |
| 23:27.00 | liz | im having a heck of a time getting xinerama to span desktops on my machine |
| 23:27.07 | liz | anyone ever gotten it working? |
| 23:27.12 | stew | SerajewelKS: yes, the certain ones in this package specically |
| 23:27.12 | quitte | SerajewelKS: no idea about teamspeak. never seen it, never needed it |
| 23:27.15 | SerajewelKS | stew: that is, any of the noncommercial licenses, which is exactly half of them |
| 23:27.17 | myren | seems like excess to install postfix just to send mail to my real domain |
| 23:27.18 | abrotman | thingfish: i think this will be our fourth :) |
| 23:27.20 | liz | ok obviously people have :) Anyone hace any experience actually :) |
| 23:27.23 | abrotman | erm .. fifth |
| 23:27.34 | SerajewelKS | stew: ah, ok, you just said "uses the CC license, which doesn't allow ..." so i thought you were applying it to all CC licenses |
| 23:27.55 | sharpy | brb... exploring the next WM Enlightenment |
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| 23:28.01 | stew | abrotman: today was nice |
| 23:28.06 | stew | here at least |
| 23:28.10 | abrotman | stew: i was at a client .. |
| 23:28.11 | jonaskoelker | so, I'm trying to follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en as well as I can; right now, I'm trying to install a kernel image (2.6.8-3-686), but it complains that hdb1 is not a block device; /dev/hd* does not exist; how do I MAKEDEV them? |
| 23:28.13 | thingfish | abrotman: you're east of us, and the wind's blowing your way, so get used to it for a little while. |
| 23:28.15 | SerajewelKS | quitte: teamspeak is what it sounds like. think IRC for voice: one server, lots of channels, everyone using voice. |
| 23:28.19 | jonaskoelker | (or create them in another way) |
| 23:28.19 | stew | abrotman: i did a 45k ride this morning :) |
| 23:28.21 | SerajewelKS | quitte: handy for team-based gaming. |
| 23:28.25 | abrotman | stew: you need a job! |
| 23:28.38 | stew | abrotman: i'm still at mine, you aren't |
| 23:28.39 | abrotman | stew: how long does that take you? 2 hours or so? |
| 23:28.50 | SerajewelKS | quitte: often there will just be one channel in use though, but for things like MMORPG guilds/clans, they might use channels if enough people are on. |
| 23:28.52 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Why don't you try not sucking for a change? |
| 23:28.53 | stew | abrotman: a little less |
| 23:28.54 | quitte | SerajewelKS: #debian with voices? hell no |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i tried .. they don't like me in OR |
| 23:29.08 | abrotman | stew: sounds about right .. |
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| 23:29.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I lub you!! |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | stew: oh wait .. KM .. not M |
| 23:29.18 | SerajewelKS | quitte: i didn't say freenode with voices ;) |
| 23:29.18 | abrotman | !lub scarynetworkguy |
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| 23:29.21 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: do you know how to reinstall every package on a machine without getting that dependency cycle between coreutils and debianutils |
| 23:29.22 | efaistos | hi |
| 23:29.24 | Nokia666 | what files need to be changed if my ip and dns server changes please? |
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| 23:29.34 | efaistos | is there a backport for sarge of gnome 2.12 ? |
| 23:29.45 | thingfish | efaistos: not in backports. |
| 23:29.47 | Nokia666 | is there a way to re-run my network configuration like from when i installed debian? |
| 23:29.56 | abrotman | stew: 30 miles in two hours is pretty good |
| 23:29.59 | thingfish | efaistos: you can go look there yourself, you know. |
| 23:30.03 | stew | abrotman: i average 30-35kph or around 20mph |
| 23:30.10 | abrotman | !tell efaistos about backports |
| 23:30.24 | abrotman | liz: we need more details .. waht about it doesn't work .. what version of debian/X ? |
| 23:30.30 | beardy | Nokia666: Well, just change it if you have to. /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 23:30.33 | abrotman | stew: mostly flat? |
| 23:30.48 | Nokia666 | beardy - thx |
| 23:30.54 | Breeder | updated to xorg 7, all working well except the keyboard, some keys won't work |
| 23:30.58 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: there is some chain of commands that will... |
| 23:31.00 | liz | so xinerama comes up with a cloned desktop instead of spannign a desktop across my monitors |
| 23:31.21 | stew | abrotman: i usually ride a 3.4 mile loop that has an uphill and a downhill of about .5 miles each |
| 23:31.30 | abrotman | stew: grade? |
| 23:31.30 | SerajewelKS | !tell EruditeHermit about reinstall |
| 23:31.35 | stew | abrotman: dunno |
| 23:31.40 | SerajewelKS | EruditeHermit: use the first chain there |
| 23:31.42 | abrotman | stew: not even a rough guess? |
| 23:31.49 | liz | this is on debian unstable xorg 6.9 Im having a hard time fingind docs on how to do it and they ones I have found are inconsistent |
| 23:32.09 | liz | im trying to get away from Ati's blob driver |
| 23:32.15 | stew | abrotman: i dunno, its one that makes me slow from 20mph to 15mph if that helps :) |
| 23:32.21 | liz | because I cant get the OpenBSD song out of my head! |
| 23:32.36 | junix-other | anyone know if i can get Debian installed on a Dell 82801G SATA controller (i'm assuming this is an intel)?? |
| 23:32.38 | abrotman | stew: do you know how to compute grade? |
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| 23:32.54 | stew | abrotman: arctan of rise/run |
| 23:32.56 | SerajewelKS | junix-other: generally you install debian on drives, not controllers |
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| 23:33.09 | abrotman | stew: and you still can't guess! |
| 23:33.12 | junix-other | SerajewelKS, yes i know, you know what i meant tho |
| 23:33.17 | felix_ | hi, does lilo support initrd+kernel on a vfat partition? |
| 23:33.21 | SerajewelKS | junix-other: i don't see why you couldn't |
| 23:33.29 | EruditeHermit | SerajewelKS: I know that command, but it gets stuck with a dependency cycle |
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| 23:33.33 | junix-other | well i've tried with Sarge, no good |
| 23:33.34 | marco13185 | Once you run dist-upgrade, is it necessarry to restart? |
| 23:33.46 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: depends on what was upgraded |
| 23:33.53 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: generally you only need to after a kernel upgrade |
| 23:34.04 | marco13185 | but I'd have to restart all the services? |
| 23:34.07 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: i usually reboot after a udev upgrade too |
| 23:34.08 | marco13185 | like alsa and stuff |
| 23:34.09 | MatBoy | SerajewelKS, I get a strange unix/700 error when I want to start it and the message that the program has to be in /usr/X11R6/bin (where it offcourse is). |
| 23:34.20 | marco13185 | SerajewelKS, ah ok. I'm gonna have to reboot then |
| 23:34.24 | SerajewelKS | marco13185: if any services were upgraded, the pre-install will have stopped them, and the post-install will have started them |
| 23:34.28 | junix-other | SerajewelKS, well i've tried with Sarge, no good |
| 23:34.44 | SerajewelKS | MatBoy: *shrug* i don't use enlightenment |
| 23:35.12 | MatBoy | SerajewelKS, damn, I think you have to :p |
| 23:35.15 | beardy | felix_: No. (most likely no) Have a look at ... 'apt-cache search bootloader' I don't remember the name. |
| 23:35.24 | stew | MatBoy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:35.28 | SerajewelKS | MatBoy: obviously, because it's so awesome it won't even start |
| 23:36.04 | beardy | felix_: syslinux perhaps |
| 23:36.20 | felix_ | beardy: yeah, already though of a boot cd-rw |
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| 23:37.08 | MatBoy | stew, etch |
| 23:37.50 | beardy | felix_: There are bootloaders that can boot linux from a (v?)fat partition (when DOS is booted), but that's not what you are after, I think. |
| 23:39.15 | felix_ | beardy, actually i am not sure what i am after :) but i think grub+lilo is not my answer for this tripleboot macbook installation with gpt and legacy partition table. but thanks for the tip with syslinux this looks promising |
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| 23:39.23 | MatBoy | stew, are you familair with it ? |
| 23:40.43 | myren | i setup mail on my server, but how can i send mail from my laptop? |
| 23:41.01 | stew | MatBoy: no. but can you be more specific. exactly what command gives exactly what error? and have you checked the bts? |
| 23:41.42 | MatBoy | no I have to check the btw, but I assume I have to start it with #startx enlightenment |
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| 23:42.17 | evaded | And hard disk of my little server have fail here sudenlty, it make now so heavy noise. The mecanic have break :-( It's looks that i'm always connected to the internet. Crap, it's my gateway |
| 23:42.24 | stew | MatBoy: huh? you mean you are typing "startx enligtenment" at a prompt? |
| 23:43.04 | evaded | It's the little HDD for the swap partition that have fail. I guess it will crash the server i guess |
| 23:43.11 | MatBoy | stew, when I'm out of X yes... the same way you can start Gnome when your kde is default |
| 23:43.18 | Beakster | hi, whats the preempt kernel? |
| 23:43.36 | MatBoy | what would you suggest than ? I'm not really a Windows-user.. more terminal one :) |
| 23:43.50 | adrakoa | are there diferencies between libc && libc6 ?? |
| 23:43.53 | Supaplex | xinit `which xterm` |
| 23:44.01 | Supaplex | the ultimate wm ;) |
| 23:44.35 | evaded | Is there an way to see which HDD is dead? |
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| 23:45.14 | stew | MatBoy: put "enligtenment" at the end of .xsession ; and type just "startx". if you have some other window manager listed in .xsession, comment it out |
| 23:45.39 | MatBoy | stew, OK, let's do that than :) |
| 23:45.50 | stew | evaded: smartmontools if your disks support SMART |
| 23:46.12 | evaded | stew: It's an old hdd of 2GB :-? |
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| 23:47.54 | evaded | Is there not an cmd like 'df -h' to see the swap partition? |
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| 23:48.11 | stew | evaded: free |
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| 23:48.37 | unstable | Does vrms work if I compile something from source, or is it only if I install via dpkg? |
| 23:48.43 | Supaplex | evaded: or /proc/swaps |
| 23:48.44 | evaded | stew: Right ;-) i forget that with the stress |
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| 23:49.27 | faw | :) |
| 23:49.31 | myren | how the fuck do i send mail from my laptop through my server @#@#@#!@#!@#$123423523%2#% |
| 23:49.40 | myren | i know one of you knows a fucking answer |
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| 23:49.52 | evaded | stew: Noise are go one, but i'm sure i have an dead HDD now. The HDD have do an really strange noise for 10 minutes. The main axe have broke it's look, it have make some noise like there are some mecanic broken |
| 23:49.53 | Supaplex | myren: smtp! |
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| 23:50.18 | stew | myren: chill out. how about: echo "body" | mail -s "subject" recipient |
| 23:50.30 | evaded | Supaplex: Also thanks to you ;-) |
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| 23:51.00 | myren | setup postfix all over again just to send mail to my other postfix setup? |
| 23:51.32 | evaded | I have chance it's that old HDD that i use as swap that are dead, oefffff |
| 23:51.33 | Supaplex | myren: that's one way. you can specify a smtp relay for all mail. |
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| 23:52.13 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:52.19 | evaded | crap when we have old stuff |
| 23:52.20 | Supaplex | evaded: grab some decaf for myren :) |
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| 23:52.38 | evaded | Supaplex: ;-) |
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| 23:55.31 | stew | myren: if all you are doing is moving mail off the box to a "smart host" use nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 23:56.29 | junix659 | is there anything wrong with x-org in unstable that not allow me to use it anymore if i do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:58.34 | evaded | If i replace that HDD i need to remake an swap partition. But How can i do that? That P2, i remember he are to old to run an Live CD :-( |
| 23:58.48 | Supaplex | evaded: mkswap |
| 23:59.02 | beardy | evaded: man swapoff, man swapon, man mkswap |
| 23:59.04 | shogunx | where are the udev pcmcia card definitions? |
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| 23:59.31 | evaded | Supaplex & beardy : Thanks, i wait that the coffee are done ;-) |
| 23:59.37 | beardy | evaded: And, tomsrtbt if you have to. |
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