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| 00:00.06 | sgeigerbot | Serinity: prove it |
| 00:00.11 | r_marvin | flowtron: be more verbose, what kind of problems? |
| 00:00.17 | concept10 | assholity |
| 00:00.18 | flowtron | any help with SSH botching keystrokes after variable time connected w/o probs |
| 00:00.20 | dvogel | stew: will rebuilding php4-mysql against my installed libmysqlclient15off resolve my dependency problems or am I wasting my tiume? |
| 00:00.21 | flowtron | can anybody help with my ssh issue? it's really annoying me to have to reconnect every so often |
| 00:00.27 | dak | <kspath> dak: You would type something like Serinity: What is wrong with your KDE? notice the prefix |
| 00:00.27 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.38 | dvogel | flowtron what is your problem? |
| 00:00.38 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: apt-get install autossh |
| 00:00.46 | stew | dvogel: i don't know. why not just use libmysqlclient15? |
| 00:00.49 | dak | i love how anti social people love to pick apart normal people |
| 00:00.59 | flowtron | my prob is that after some connect time the keyboard goes haywire |
| 00:01.02 | flowtron | some keys work |
| 00:01.04 | flowtron | most don`t |
| 00:01.04 | r_marvin | flowtron: don't repeat the question, be more explicit |
| 00:01.06 | dvogel | stew: because postfix-mysql depends on 15off. |
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| 00:01.15 | concept10 | dak, especially in this channel |
| 00:01.24 | dvogel | flowtron try typing "reset" |
| 00:01.26 | kspath | dak: I was trying to explain to you how to address a message to a particular person so everyone knows that the person you want to address will see their nickname highlighted. |
| 00:01.40 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: Also, you will want this: http://www.ncee.net/shane/hussh |
| 00:01.40 | r_marvin | flowtron: use the -v switch when connecting , see if it says anything |
| 00:01.44 | kspath | dak: Have you considered that perhaps you did not read what I was telling you? |
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| 00:02.05 | flowtron | mmmh @ -v ... I'll try that. |
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| 00:02.11 | concept10 | Serinity, did you try that package? |
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| 00:02.22 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: try what I'm telling you. It's VERY worthwhile. |
| 00:02.41 | dak | kspath: nore do i care to because all you wanna do is bust my balls, and i dont need a irc howto on adressing people |
| 00:02.57 | Serinity | concept10, well, i'm taking care acpi right now |
| 00:03.11 | flowtron | sgeigerbot - no - keys are not my issue |
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| 00:03.19 | Serinity | bbl |
| 00:03.23 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: I know...that's why you need to use AUTOSSH. |
| 00:03.24 | kspath | dak: Sorry, I see that you addressed me well. Good luck. |
| 00:03.33 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: /lastlog sgeigerbot |
| 00:03.35 | ryan` | flowtron, and screen. |
| 00:03.39 | kspath | !bustballs concept10 |
| 00:03.45 | dak | kspath: go screw. |
| 00:03.48 | sgeigerbot | ryan`: yes...good suggestion. |
| 00:03.50 | flowtron | the ssh connection works fine for some time - all keys 100%, then, after some time they don't anymore |
| 00:03.51 | r_marvin | dak: if you consider people to be assholes, being an asshole yourself is not the way to go, just ignore them |
| 00:03.53 | dak | little dork |
| 00:04.03 | ryan` | flowtron, nothing works? |
| 00:04.08 | r_marvin | kspath: this goes both ways ;) |
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| 00:04.14 | sgeigerbot | ryan`: Check out autossh. It's another wonderful way to avoid logging in many times. |
| 00:04.15 | dak | r_marvin: yeah well i like people to taste what they dish out to others |
| 00:04.17 | flowtron | they render as escape-sequences |
| 00:04.41 | kspath | r_marvin: I can see. I guess some people can take things the wrong way. |
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| 00:04.54 | ryan` | flowtron, what termnial emulator are you using? |
| 00:04.54 | r_marvin | dak: do it in private, then, it really isn't our problem, see? |
| 00:05.02 | dak | maybe if i had one concept |
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| 00:05.09 | concept10 | :) |
| 00:05.24 | stew | sgeigerbot: i keep forgetting to set that up |
| 00:05.29 | flowtron | sgeigerbot - problem is not traffic dying ... this is LAN connection |
| 00:05.38 | ryan` | flowtron, what termnial emulator are you using? |
| 00:05.49 | flowtron | GnomeTerminal |
| 00:06.07 | ryan` | what happens if you use a diffrent termnial emu? |
| 00:06.08 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: I never did see what the problem was...and I can't see it in /lastlog |
| 00:06.21 | r_marvin | flowtron: it's on a specific server or on all servers? |
| 00:06.29 | flowtron | just this one (so far) |
| 00:06.32 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: the keys stop working? |
| 00:06.38 | r_marvin | stew: any hints for my bugreport? |
| 00:07.14 | stew | r_marvin: is this problem in 6.9 or in 1:1.0.2 |
| 00:07.20 | flowtron | well - some still work (I seem to remember) ... but problem is not re-constructable ... it just happens sometimes ... often takes quite a while |
| 00:07.38 | stew | r_marvin: i mean which version of xnest? |
| 00:07.45 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: Are you being attacked? |
| 00:07.51 | flowtron | ryan' : other emu might help, but that's no explanation ... is it ;-) |
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| 00:08.10 | ryan` | flowtron, it would mean it's your termnial emulators fault. |
| 00:08.12 | flowtron | sgeigerbot - box is behind firewall, so I guess not. but maybe |
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| 00:08.22 | r_marvin | stew: i currently have 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 and i don't see xnest at all in the conflicts list for x11-common 1:7.0.* |
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| 00:08.39 | r_marvin | not that i care about xnest, but still... |
| 00:08.41 | sgeigerbot | flowtron: Attacks can definitely come from boxes behind a firewall. Often they do. |
| 00:08.50 | flowtron | any bugs known @ GnomeTerminal ... all other servers have no probs with SSH and GnomeTerminal works fine every other instance |
| 00:08.54 | stew | r_marvin: if its 6.9 then i agreee that x11-common should probably declare a conflicts. if the problem is with xnest 1:1.0.2 then a bug should also be filed against xnest for installing anything in the R6 directory |
| 00:09.00 | r_marvin | StereoSkit: nevermind |
| 00:09.15 | CraZyLeGs | I couldn't start x as root, it said I don't have enough disc space in /root |
| 00:09.19 | r_marvin | stew: there is already #364210 |
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| 00:09.23 | kspath | flowtron: sgeigerbot is pointing out a possible cause of packet loss/timeout. Is the server renegotiating its ether? 10Mbps? 100Mbps? FullDuplex? Half-Duplex? |
| 00:09.30 | stew | !dbugs 364210 |
| 00:09.33 | CraZyLeGs | how can fix this ? |
| 00:09.34 | dpkg | #364210:S[x11-common] x11-common should also conflict the old xnest; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:33:01 UTC |
| 00:09.45 | flowtron | kspath ... good q. |
| 00:09.52 | dak | uhm r_marvin i have xnest 6.9 and x11-common 7 installed with no problems that iv noticed |
| 00:10.05 | cva | I have a driver attached to a usb device, but throughout the day, the system seems to reset the usb devices, which causes my driver connection to be lost. Any idea as to what would case that? http://pastebin.com/683323 |
| 00:10.21 | stew | dak: yes, his point is that you shouldn't have both installed, you should be using the newer xnest |
| 00:10.25 | kspath | flowtron: I was just expanding on sgeigerbot idea/concept. |
| 00:10.27 | flowtron | kspath - /var/log/messages doesn't show any hints of that |
| 00:10.37 | Chilliwack | hi umm... i was just wondering if debian sarge comes with a boot loader like lilo or grub or whatever |
| 00:10.41 | starsoldier | is anyone here running debian stable on sparc64 that knows how to update the openboot prom? |
| 00:10.50 | flowtron | Chilliwack : both |
| 00:10.54 | flowtron | use grub :) |
| 00:11.01 | stew | Chilliwack: it comes with either / both ; it will default to using grub unless you say otherwise |
| 00:11.05 | dak | yo potato had libc5 compat right? |
| 00:11.12 | dak | need a libc5 box |
| 00:11.21 | r_marvin | dak, stew: i currently have a mix of testing and unstable, and all X stuff is still 6.9 , i was just checking to see if i was 7.0-ready :) |
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| 00:11.24 | CraZyLeGs | how can I modify partitions size ? |
| 00:11.28 | kspath | flowtron: Try setting its interface to 100FD or 10FD or 1000FD or whatever it is supposed to be. What port on the switch is it plugged into? unplug/replug? check cable? |
| 00:11.30 | Chilliwack | thanks flowtron and stew |
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| 00:11.40 | dak | r_marvin: im got the same sid/experimental |
| 00:11.40 | stew | !info libc5 potato |
| 00:11.42 | dpkg | libc5: (The Linux C library version 5 (run-time libraries).), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 5.4.46-3 (potato), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 670 kB |
| 00:11.46 | stew | dak: ^^ |
| 00:11.52 | starsoldier | i've tried to netboot the flash-update file and it downloads fine, but then stops saying "Fast Instruction Access MMU Miss" |
| 00:11.54 | dak | !info libc5 sid |
| 00:11.56 | kspath | flowtron: letting it auto-negotiate is not always a great idea. |
| 00:12.02 | dak | !info libc5 woody |
| 00:12.03 | CraZyLeGs | / root has only 250mb, I choose default partitionning when I installed etch |
| 00:12.05 | ANjOLeGaL | Ola alguem do brasil ? |
| 00:12.09 | flowtron | kspath | sgeigerbot : since I keep seeing output continously I do not think connectivity is the issue |
| 00:12.11 | dpkg | libc5: (The Linux C library version 5 (run-time libraries).), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 5.4.46-12 (woody), Packaged size: 283 kB, Installed size: 712 kB |
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| 00:12.14 | dak | oh wow |
| 00:12.15 | ANjOLeGaL | Ola alguem do Brasil ? |
| 00:12.24 | danieldg | how do I get the "Dell" temperature values from linux? They aren't available on the normal ACPI bus, and on Windows I had to install an app to see them |
| 00:12.27 | stew | !br |
| 00:12.28 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:12.28 | kspath | !tell ANjOLeGaL about br |
| 00:12.32 | Chilliwack | okay, also, installing debian wouldnt murder my windows xp partition, would it? |
| 00:12.48 | dak | only if u install debian on the windows partition |
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| 00:12.53 | Ronin | Chilliwack: hopefully ;) no, only if you tell it to |
| 00:12.54 | stew | Chilliwack: it will be happy to if you ask it to, but it won't otherwise |
| 00:13.13 | Ronin | Chilliwack: just read and understand what its telling/asking you |
| 00:13.18 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: no, uninstalling it might render your system unbootable, so take care |
| 00:13.26 | flowtron | Chilliwack : which doesn't say anything about windows doing something to linux ... :-/ |
| 00:13.29 | Chilliwack | so how do i make a new partition to install linux on if the windows partition is using full stuff |
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| 00:13.41 | Chilliwack | full hard drive space* |
| 00:13.54 | Chilliwack | sorry i'm never too great at explaining myself |
| 00:13.55 | flowtron | Chilliwack : partition magic ... |
| 00:14.02 | Chilliwack | thanks |
| 00:14.08 | dak | just get rid of windows its worthless |
| 00:14.08 | danieldg | Chilliwack: or I use bootitNG |
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| 00:14.18 | htrp | what does 'crontab -e' do? |
| 00:14.22 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: there were some tools that claimed to resize partitions, i don't trust any of them |
| 00:14.26 | flowtron | edit your crontab : htrp |
| 00:14.30 | r_marvin | have backups |
| 00:14.30 | Chilliwack | i cant get rid of windows, i have a few things that need it, and ive heard wine is really evil to run |
| 00:14.31 | flowtron | man crontab is your friend |
| 00:14.35 | minerale | Out of the blue, pkg-add is missing from my system |
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| 00:14.40 | adrakoa | hi |
| 00:14.56 | r_marvin | htrp: it guarantees you that you don't screw up your crontab (too much) |
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| 00:15.18 | flowtron | r_marvin : never can one emphasize it too often : have backups |
| 00:15.19 | marco13185 | I have a problem with installing amarok. I'm running Debian sid. When I try to apt-get install amarok i get the following output: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:15.28 | dak | hmm this new tool sucks |
| 00:15.39 | stew | marco13185: have you checked the bts? |
| 00:16.01 | htrp | flowtron: cron.hourly is empty |
| 00:16.07 | marco13185 | stew, bts? |
| 00:16.14 | htrp | flowtron: should i just add a line there? |
| 00:16.20 | r_marvin | marco13185: if you can't fix dependencies yourself, you shouldn't be running sid |
| 00:16.20 | flowtron | well. guys. r_marvin, ryan', kspath - thanks. I'll keep an eye on the issue ... maybe come by when solved |
| 00:16.25 | htrp | like: sudo apt-get update |
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| 00:16.30 | stew | marco13185: /msg dpkg btssmite me ; you should probably be running testing |
| 00:16.33 | flowtron | htrp : cron.hourly is a dir, not a file ... IIRC |
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| 00:16.58 | flowtron | htrp : man cron |
| 00:16.58 | marco13185 | r_marvin stew, I really don't care for a lecture |
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| 00:17.17 | htrp | ic |
| 00:17.20 | r_marvin | marco13185: we can't fix your dependencies |
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| 00:17.45 | Phated | Trolls can't be subtle. :) |
| 00:17.48 | marco13185 | r_marvin, well, this is the debian IRC channel, so I thought maybe I could expect people HELPING me instead of giving me lectures about using unstable |
| 00:17.52 | stew | marco13185: sorry. i'll put you on ignore so i won't be tempted to give you any more advice |
| 00:17.58 | kspath | htrp: Integrated Circuit? |
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| 00:18.43 | Chilliwack | do partition manager things like partition magic etc. often mess up partitions? |
| 00:18.55 | kspath | Chilliwack: often? |
| 00:18.58 | htrp | kspath: huh? |
| 00:19.15 | r_marvin | marco13185: that's the best help you might get. now look in the bts (bugs.debian.org), in the pdo (packages.debian.org) and in the apt output and figure out the problem yourself |
| 00:19.30 | htrp | kspath: im trying to do: sudo apt-get like every hour coz i always forget this |
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| 00:19.38 | minerale | I just swiched from a hefty CRT to a smaller LCD, do I need to reconfigure xserver? xvidtune is not working |
| 00:19.39 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: only when you really need what's on that partition :) |
| 00:19.48 | stew | !drxx minerale |
| 00:19.48 | dpkg | minerale: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:19.48 | r_marvin | i've been burned twice |
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| 00:20.21 | htrp | but /etc/cron.hourly is empty |
| 00:20.22 | Chilliwack | r_marvin: heh... ive gotten killed once installing some other linux |
| 00:20.23 | plusran | my error is: "your architecture, 'x86_64', is not supported by the macromedia flash player installer." is there a package somewhere i can install that will enable flash, maybe java? |
| 00:20.37 | Chilliwack | does anyone have any suggestions as to how i can resize partitions without deleting the current windows one? |
| 00:20.47 | kspath | Chilliwack: If there is anything important on it make 2 or more backups and confirm they have everything. |
| 00:20.47 | minerale | stew, we gotta start giving you tips... should open up a paypal tipjar... Thansk |
| 00:20.50 | dak | dude partition magic |
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| 00:20.57 | r_marvin | plusran: you wold need a x86 chroot environment |
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| 00:21.05 | cva | any thoughts on my USB question? |
| 00:21.08 | stew | minerale: what i need is a way to collect all the beer's ive been promised over irc :) |
| 00:21.23 | Chilliwack | someone said that those partition manager things often screw up, im just trying not to risk it |
| 00:21.26 | dak | Chilliwack: http://ts.searching.com/torrent/498920/Partition_magic_8_1_with_serial_by_MastuhB |
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| 00:21.38 | stew | uhh ^beer's^beers |
| 00:21.52 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: have backups, then experiment |
| 00:22.10 | plusran | r_mavin: doesn't firefox already do this? |
| 00:22.12 | r_marvin | did i say to remember about the backup thingie? |
| 00:22.17 | dak | yeah make sure u have backups |
| 00:22.21 | Chilliwack | i dont know and umm |
| 00:22.31 | dak | iv never used partition magic but have heard it can mess your hd up |
| 00:22.33 | r_marvin | plusran: no |
| 00:22.33 | kspath | Chilliwack: Often is not a fair statement. I used to quad boot LONG LONG LONG ago and never lost anything. Some people might have had flakey drives or made mistakes or other issues. |
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| 00:23.13 | plusran | r_mavin: ok thanks for your help then. |
| 00:23.18 | Chilliwack | kspath: well this is a less-than-a-year-old drive.. so im assuming its not ... bad or whatever |
| 00:23.22 | zl2tod | dak: please don't spam warez here, especially if you have no clue about them |
| 00:23.25 | kspath | Chilliwack: All the partition editors recommend backups of all important data/information before continuing with any changes. |
| 00:23.27 | r_marvin | kspath: he was talking about resizing partitions with data on them using partitionmagic and friends |
| 00:23.28 | dak | and just think hes gotta get lilo or grub working with windows, can be a hard task if you dont know what your doing |
| 00:23.44 | dak | zl2tod: yeah well i might have not used it but i know what it does |
| 00:23.46 | dak | and sorry |
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| 00:24.00 | r_marvin | dak: it usually works right off the bat |
| 00:24.12 | minerale | Stew: I'm guessing your help here comes under beerware licensing? ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/beerware ) |
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| 00:24.15 | kspath | r_marvin: I used all the partition managers years ago including partition magic. It worked well for me but I was careful and read and double checked everything. |
| 00:24.16 | Chilliwack | i wish windows and linux could be friends and boot off the same partition |
| 00:24.36 | r_marvin | the hardest part is to remember to clean the mbr before you delete the /boot partition :) |
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| 00:24.50 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: it is possible, not with debian though |
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| 00:25.10 | stew | minerale: i wish, but that is non-dfsg free :) (fails the deserted island test) :) |
| 00:25.15 | r_marvin | iirc zipslack was capable of such a feat |
| 00:25.20 | Chilliwack | r_marvin: oh |
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| 00:25.26 | dak | i just dont see the point in dual booting really nothing linux cant do |
| 00:25.27 | kspath | Chilliwack: I recommend that you do research before doing it. Read and re-read whatever you can about dual-booting with windows. |
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| 00:25.47 | r_marvin | and backup everything! ;) |
| 00:25.59 | kspath | Chilliwack: I prefer having only Debian. |
| 00:26.03 | Chilliwack | heh i will |
| 00:26.28 | zl2tod | Chilliwack, it's dangerous to mess with your partition tables no matter which tool you use ... as others say you need to backup any data you value before you mess with them ... parted and other linux tools can do most things partition magic does ... there are HOWTOs about dual booting ... install windows first for an easy life |
| 00:26.30 | Chilliwack | kspath: i would just kill windows and install debian on its own but my sister and several others use this comp |
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| 00:26.52 | Chilliwack | well windows already is installed... |
| 00:27.01 | kspath | Chilliwack: try a livecd for a while until you figure out what you can/will be able to do. |
| 00:27.09 | dak | is it a fresh install of windows? like pretty new? |
| 00:27.22 | Chilliwack | kspath: do i have to mess with partitions to use the live cd? |
| 00:27.29 | Chilliwack | dak: no, about 6+ months old |
| 00:27.47 | htrp | man, vi is confusing, how do you exit it out? |
| 00:27.50 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: no (for the livecd q) |
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| 00:27.52 | htrp | i was trying to edit my crontab |
| 00:27.54 | minerale | Does the sync range matter for an lcd? |
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| 00:28.02 | r_marvin | htrp: :wq or ZZ |
| 00:28.03 | stew | htrp: ZZ or :wq to write and quite ; :q to just quite |
| 00:28.09 | Chilliwack | r_marvin oh, thanks |
| 00:28.09 | stew | ^quite^quit |
| 00:28.21 | htrp | thanks |
| 00:28.24 | kspath | Chilliwack: no, as long as you do not try to do any permanent installation instructions. |
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| 00:28.44 | r_marvin | htrp: you can use update-alternatives to set your editor to something you find easier |
| 00:29.00 | stew | minerale: its almost always 60hz vertical refresh, but if its connected digitally (dvi cable or laptop) you should be able to not specify and have it auto-detected |
| 00:29.06 | Chilliwack | kspath: okay... umm is the livecd the same one used to install it, like, is there a choice in there for either livecd or installation? just 'cause i've got a bandwidth cap |
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| 00:29.19 | kspath | htrp: You might have to use the escape key one or more times to exit all other modes so :q or :wq can work. |
| 00:29.34 | stew | !be vi barbie |
| 00:29.34 | dpkg | Pressing Escape is HARD! |
| 00:29.58 | kspath | Chilliwack: netinstall is not a livecd. |
| 00:30.04 | kspath | stew: hehehe |
| 00:30.07 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: debian does not have a livecd, but i'd recommend knoppix |
| 00:30.32 | _Atomo64_ | hey, I just upgraded the udev package, and it says "Please purge the hotplug package!" but I don't have the hotplug package installed, so, how can I purge the hotplug package then? |
| 00:30.38 | Chilliwack | okay, im confused, is there or isn't there a livecd of debian... 'cause kspath just said there is ( i think ) |
| 00:30.45 | r_marvin | _Atomo64_: dpkg -P hotplug |
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| 00:31.11 | zl2tod | Chilliwack, at risk of being abused check out ubuntu - they will send you both cds free |
| 00:31.12 | stew | Chilliwack: there is not. there are many based on debian but not considered to be really debian |
| 00:31.17 | kspath | Chilliwack: No, I said try a LiveCD. I did not say try a Debian LiveCD. Sorry for any confusion. |
| 00:31.23 | r_marvin | Chilliwack: knoppix is based on debian, and it's sufficiently close to cause confusion :) |
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| 00:31.27 | _Atomo64_ | r_marvin: lol, thanks :) |
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| 00:31.34 | StormTide | im having a bit of an issue gettin dmraid to work right on etch. it works fine if i call dmraid -ay after login, but during the boot process it says no raid devices. I think it needs to be called after the md init finnishes, but thats not currently the order. is there a way to fix this |
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| 00:31.47 | kspath | !lsb |
| 00:31.47 | dpkg | hmm... lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 00:31.50 | evaded | test |
| 00:31.55 | kspath | hmm |
| 00:31.57 | zl2tod | Chilliwack, there is no official debian live cd, however knoppix ubuntu and many others are based on debian, and http://live.debian.net is in development though unofficial |
| 00:31.58 | evaded | My provider now give 2x more speed. I had little problem but now it's looks i'm again here |
| 00:32.10 | evaded | Is there an tool(or can you give me an keyword) to see the speed of the network? |
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| 00:32.21 | Chilliwack | oooh |
| 00:32.24 | Chilliwack | thanks everyone |
| 00:32.34 | nse | my machine clock is restarting all the time i reset the computer, what could be causing this? |
| 00:32.50 | Chilliwack | your mobo's battery died? |
| 00:32.51 | r_marvin | evaded: that's a very fuzzy concept. what speed exactly are you interested in? |
| 00:32.52 | zl2tod | nse , flat battery |
| 00:33.03 | kspath | nse: Booting into Windows? |
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| 00:33.22 | imageek | nse, your clock is restarting? or resetting ? |
| 00:33.24 | evaded | r_marvin: I'm now on 10Mbps therefore the helft of it |
| 00:33.30 | kspath | nse: restarting back to beginning of time or a different time? |
| 00:33.37 | zl2tod | 1970 ? |
| 00:33.45 | r_marvin | you might try a big download from your isp's ftp |
| 00:34.10 | evaded | r_marvin: Right taht 1GB file. |
| 00:34.11 | r_marvin | they usually provide 10MB and 100MB files for bandwidth testing |
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| 00:34.21 | nse | kspath: restarting back to the beginning of time, it's possible the first date of existance |
| 00:34.41 | kspath | nse: I think it is the battery as most of the people said in that case. |
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| 00:34.57 | XSoul | hello team |
| 00:34.58 | stew | AlienX: it was really really hot back then |
| 00:35.08 | XSoul | how I can know all packages for the new xorg 7 in debian ? |
| 00:35.17 | nse | kspath: a BIOS battery right? do I have to buy i new one? |
| 00:35.18 | kspath | nse: You can use ntpd or ntpdate to set it on boot for after boot. |
| 00:35.28 | AlienX | stew, i'm sure with technology that problem could be figured out :D |
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| 00:35.41 | imageek | nse, i would suggest that you buy a new one |
| 00:35.45 | kspath | nse: See your computer manufacturer website or owners manual. |
| 00:35.54 | imageek | or find someone that has an old motherboard that has the same size batter as yours |
| 00:36.09 | r_marvin | nse: or leave the computer on :) |
| 00:36.15 | kspath | nse: The old battery might be something you want to be careful with. Might be volatile. |
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| 00:36.57 | nse | really!? volatile means that it becomes air? |
| 00:37.23 | kspath | nse: volatile like an angry woman or a man who had their last beer taken away. |
| 00:37.31 | r_marvin | nse: as in "it might explode/ooze gooey stuff/etc" |
| 00:37.43 | Supaplex | sounds contagious |
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| 00:38.01 | kspath | nse: volatile as in chemistry. I was attempting at humor and failed of course. |
| 00:38.09 | mosty | i have apache, apache2, php4 and php4-mysql. when running apache2 it can't find mysql library functions, but apache(1) can. what am i missing? |
| 00:38.30 | Supaplex | sounds like a php.ini issue |
| 00:38.30 | XSoul | can you give me the idea where to search |
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| 00:38.40 | Supaplex | XSoul: www.google.com |
| 00:38.44 | r_marvin | well, it's almost 4 am here, so good night guys, thanks for the help |
| 00:38.44 | XSoul | for all xorg packages in new debian xorg system |
| 00:38.53 | XSoul | <Supaplex> ? .. example ? |
| 00:38.58 | zl2tod | nse, look for a stainless steel "button" cell on your motherboard. likely a CR2032 which is widely available. They are usually removed by pushing back a metal tab. Best not to swallow it. |
| 00:38.59 | mosty | Supaplex: but shouldn't apache 1 and 2 be using the same php.ini? |
| 00:39.04 | kspath | nse: just make sure you wash your hands and try not to touch the battery directly if you can. |
| 00:39.25 | Supaplex | mosty: do you like have cgi and modphp installed at the same time? |
| 00:39.29 | zl2tod | XSoul, aptitude will help you explore packages dependencies |
| 00:39.45 | mosty | Supaplex: yes |
| 00:39.50 | Supaplex | mosty: assuming php works on both (even it's mysql brain dead) |
| 00:40.22 | kspath | nse: do not touch your eyes or nose or mouth or face or any part of you until after you are done removing the old battery and wash your hands. |
| 00:40.23 | mosty | well php works because it's telling me it can't find a specific mysql function (mysql_connect()) |
| 00:40.24 | nse | kspath: okay, i will be careful. how much is a new battery? |
| 00:40.37 | marco13185 | why does dist-upgrade sometimes install the kernel you already have? |
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| 00:40.49 | Modulo | Hi all |
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| 00:40.53 | marco13185 | hi |
| 00:40.53 | XSoul | <zl2tod> I never use this software .. is there some online search system ? |
| 00:40.57 | Modulo | i have this problem |
| 00:40.58 | stew | XSoul: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-x@lists.debian.org |
| 00:40.58 | kspath | nse: I do not know. Depends on the battery/type and your location and other stuffs. |
| 00:41.02 | Supaplex | mosty: compare the php_info() outputs between the two |
| 00:41.05 | stew | XSoul: that should have all of the xorg packages listed |
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| 00:41.51 | zl2tod | XSoul, chek out http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 too |
| 00:41.53 | XSoul | <stew> thank you . this is exactly I need.. |
| 00:41.58 | mosty | Supaplex: i just tested something, gallery2 is giving me this error, but another php page which uses mysql works fine |
| 00:42.04 | SexyKen | Is it possible to have cron run something every 10 seconds? |
| 00:42.05 | XSoul | <zl2tod> thank you |
| 00:42.07 | nethenson | how can I build a package from sources? is there something like apt-compile? |
| 00:42.23 | Supaplex | nethenson: apt-get source ; dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:42.23 | XSoul | <zl2tod> yes I read it already . thank you agani |
| 00:42.40 | nethenson | Thanatermesis: Supaplex |
| 00:42.42 | kspath | XSoul: please do not use <nick> when addressing people. It looks just like you are quoting someone else. |
| 00:42.54 | mosty | NetBandit: apt-build |
| 00:42.59 | jw2328 | nethenson: Debianised sources or pristine upstream sources? |
| 00:43.12 | nethenson | jw2328: debianised |
| 00:43.12 | kspath | XSoul: please use a space or colon or comma or other. |
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| 00:44.05 | XSoul | kspath okay . ;> |
| 00:44.29 | nethenson | where do i get apt-build? |
| 00:44.43 | jw2328 | nethenson: yeah, then apt-build, or like Supaplex says |
| 00:44.47 | marco13185 | is anyone else having a problem with the libtunepimp2c2a dependency |
| 00:44.55 | mosty | nethenson: apt-get install it |
| 00:44.55 | XSoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.23 | kspath | nethenson: apt-cache search apt-build |
| 00:45.27 | minerale | Odd, on a pc where I have windows/debian dualboot I booted windows into safe mode... one of the options (safe mode, safe mode w/ networking, etc...) the last option is "Return to OS choices menu" .. odd |
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| 00:46.05 | nethenson | Couldn't find package apt-build |
| 00:46.07 | SexyKen | Anyone see anything wrong here: * * * * * root php /var/www/testQueues.php -- I want it to run every minute |
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| 00:46.14 | nethenson | (and apt-cache serch returns nothing :S) |
| 00:46.19 | stew | SexyKen: where are you putting that? |
| 00:46.28 | stew | nethenson: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:46.29 | SexyKen | /etc/crontab |
| 00:46.58 | nethenson | testing |
| 00:47.00 | CraZyLeGs | I think I need a re-install |
| 00:47.06 | CraZyLeGs | :s |
| 00:47.17 | SexyKen | stew: /etc/crontab |
| 00:47.19 | stew | SexyKen: should that be "root php" or "root php4" ? |
| 00:47.29 | marco13185 | how do I make amarok use libtunepimp3 instead of insisting on libtunepimp2c2a |
| 00:47.32 | stew | CraZyLeGs: why? |
| 00:47.32 | CraZyLeGs | / partition is full and I don't have a way to resize it |
| 00:47.43 | nethenson | stew: deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 00:47.59 | SexyKen | Root php |
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| 00:48.19 | CraZyLeGs | can I move /root to another partition and ln it or something like that ? |
| 00:48.19 | Supaplex | perl -e 'no php;' |
| 00:48.21 | SexyKen | php is the bin |
| 00:48.37 | stew | nethenson: /msg dpkg why is apt-build not in testing |
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| 00:48.46 | htrp | /bin/custom1 needs 'sudo' command when ran, but when you use crontab it, do you have to add sudo like: 0 * * * * sudo /bin/custom1 ?? |
| 00:48.52 | htrp | or just: 0 * * * * /bin/custom1 ? |
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| 00:49.04 | roderyk | I'm trying to figure out something about svn setup, so please excuse me if this is elementary: I think I want multiple repos, for each project (which is under some sub-category, eg. /python/web/). I think this would help in organization, and keep version numbers dependent on specific project; But what if I want to checkout the entire code dir? Do I need to script a for-loop, and it co's each repo as it hits it? |
| 00:49.08 | Supaplex | CraZyLeGs: yes, but it's generally suggested to not require that. if you've got that much crap in /root, you've got other issues waiting to bite you. |
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| 00:49.35 | sharpy | there is an application that i would like to get but it's on unstable: F-Spot. How can I retrieve it? and also i dont want my system to be upgraded to unstable so how do I avoid that? |
| 00:49.37 | nethenson | stew: dpkg knows all :) |
| 00:49.54 | SexyKen | How can I get it to email me again? so I can see the issue? |
| 00:50.13 | mosty | Supaplex: you were correct, it was a silly php.ini mistake |
| 00:50.18 | Supaplex | sharpy: backport it, or check for backports |
| 00:50.19 | CraZyLeGs | Supaplex: I don't have much stuff in root, actually pretty none |
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| 00:50.24 | CraZyLeGs | I think it's /etc |
| 00:50.25 | SexyKen | Actually |
| 00:50.26 | SexyKen | Odd |
| 00:50.33 | CraZyLeGs | the / is just 250mb |
| 00:50.37 | SexyKen | My syslog shows it as being run: Apr 26 18:48:01 shosting /USR/SBIN/CRON[17728]: (root) CMD (php /var/www/testQueues.php) |
| 00:50.39 | Supaplex | mosty: yay :) |
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| 00:50.51 | sharpy | Supaplex, backport it? please explain... I can actually get it by downloading the .deb packages but there are tons of dependencies. |
| 00:50.53 | CraZyLeGs | my /home partition is 62gb ! |
| 00:50.56 | CraZyLeGs | damn |
| 00:51.01 | Supaplex | CraZyLeGs: that's how much my firewall has for all storage. |
| 00:51.16 | Supaplex | !tell sharpy -about simple sid backport |
| 00:51.22 | CraZyLeGs | anyone has a solution otherthan a reinstall ? |
| 00:51.35 | Supaplex | CraZyLeGs: what's the issue? |
| 00:52.24 | sharpy | Supaplex, "Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. " err.. what's the syntax? |
| 00:52.25 | CraZyLeGs | well, I can't start x with root because / is out of storage |
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| 00:52.50 | Supaplex | sharpy: usually identical to the deb lines, but deb-src for stuff you want to fetch sources for. |
| 00:52.58 | kspath | SexyKen: You want a script in /var/www/ to run launched by root? |
| 00:53.20 | Supaplex | CraZyLeGs: oooh, so you filled / because you only have /home as another mount point. |
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| 00:54.15 | shogunx | CraZyLeGs, mv /usr /home/ && ln -s /home/usr /usr |
| 00:54.21 | htrp | /bin/custom1 needs root access which is sudo when ran, but when you use crontab it, do you have to add sudo like: 0 * * * * sudo /bin/custom1 ?? |
| 00:54.22 | Supaplex | CraZyLeGs: that's a toughie. you could reinstall, but you'll have restore /home from backup (if you back it up). Another option is to resize / and /home |
| 00:54.23 | htrp | or just: 0 * * * * /bin/custom1 ? |
| 00:55.01 | mosty | sharpy: google it |
| 00:55.16 | path_ | does anyone know if aiglx is available on apt? |
| 00:55.19 | SexyKen | Very good, kspath. |
| 00:55.43 | CraZyLeGs | Supaplex: when I installed debain, I've choose a default partition system, and it've put 250mb in /, it has created other partitions as well /dev, /usr /home, /var they are all big enough but not / |
| 00:56.11 | CraZyLeGs | Supaplex: how can I resize / and /home ? |
| 00:56.29 | kspath | SexyKen: I am trying to hint that you might not want to do that. Perhaps instead have something outside of that directory structure run and put the information where you want it. |
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| 00:56.37 | shogunx | CraZyLeGs gparted |
| 00:56.53 | CraZyLeGs | best be a cmd tool since I can't run x as root |
| 00:57.54 | shogunx | CraZyLeGs, parted then. tho i would do gparted from a livecd like knoppix or ubuntu |
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| 00:58.20 | nethenson | CraZyLeGs: you can X applications, as root. try kdesu gparted |
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| 00:58.36 | Supaplex | I think he meant X period |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | what makes you think he's running kde ? |
| 00:58.57 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 00:58.58 | dpkg | enlightenment makes me vomit! |
| 00:59.04 | Supaplex | that's why ;) |
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| 00:59.11 | CraZyLeGs | it's kde, and I meant x the server |
| 00:59.33 | nethenson | abrotman: maybe that he is in #kde ? |
| 00:59.33 | abrotman | you run kde on your server? |
| 00:59.33 | nethenson | xD |
| 00:59.35 | dbrock | why are the versions of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel that are currently in unstable incompatible (1.0.8756 for the former, but not for the latter)? |
| 00:59.40 | SexyKen | cron says it's running the damn script, but it isn't -- if I run the command that the syslog shows the cron as running, it runs fine and does what it should |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | nethenson: isn't that where they let tards play? :) |
| 01:00.02 | CraZyLeGs | abrotman: I run kde in my home box |
| 01:00.03 | dbrock | nvidia-kernel-source comes in version 1.0.8756, but not the packaces that contain modules for stock kernels |
| 01:00.04 | kspath | SexyKen: environment/shell? |
| 01:00.18 | SexyKen | What do you mean? |
| 01:00.24 | CraZyLeGs | abrotman: I'm new to debian. I'm new to linux. |
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| 01:00.33 | abrotman | CraZyLeGs: i've noticed |
| 01:00.36 | SexyKen | I'm runninga nother script every 15 mins using ALMOST the same file, but off one dir. |
| 01:00.38 | SexyKen | And it works fine. |
| 01:00.50 | kspath | SexyKen: Sorry, i am too tired to help more. I need sleep. Sorry |
| 01:00.51 | Naz_ | where could I go to get info on how to install any for of irc on debian? |
| 01:00.53 | nethenson | abrotman: this is getting too much ad hominem... maybe because you are a gnome user and cant have elaborate thoughts? :p |
| 01:00.59 | AlienX | CrazyEddy, NEVER RUN X AS ROOT! |
| 01:01.03 | SexyKen | Found the issue, thanks |
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| 01:01.08 | AlienX | errr that was for CraZyLeGs |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | nethenson: at least i can use a damn apostrophe .. tard! |
| 01:01.29 | kspath | SexyKen: path for php? |
| 01:01.31 | Supaplex | Naz_: you lost us at "any" |
| 01:01.39 | Naz_ | I mean |
| 01:01.56 | CraZyLeGs | AlienX: well, I do that because everytime I try to run something from the shell like kedit or vim or whatever I get an error |
| 01:01.56 | Naz_ | Like, any version of irc |
| 01:02.00 | Naz_ | like for undernet |
| 01:02.03 | Naz_ | or whatever |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | CraZyLeGs: what filesystem are the partitions ? |
| 01:02.04 | SexyKen | No, I'm stupid, I didn't write the path to the files that were supposed to be outputting -- so it was putting them in the root directory. |
| 01:02.08 | AlienX | CrazyEddy, you will break your system! |
| 01:02.10 | X600 | Naz_: You mean an IRC client? |
| 01:02.11 | CraZyLeGs | ext3 |
| 01:02.13 | Naz_ | what does freenode use? |
| 01:02.16 | AlienX | ack! |
| 01:02.20 | Naz_ | no, server |
| 01:02.21 | Supaplex | Naz_: a client or the network? oh, the ircd |
| 01:02.22 | AlienX | CraZyLeGs, ^ |
| 01:02.23 | Supaplex | !tell Naz_ -about search |
| 01:02.35 | AlienX | grrr people with similar nicks |
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| 01:02.41 | CraZyLeGs | AlienX: it's already broken I tend to think now |
| 01:02.47 | AlienX | probably... |
| 01:02.48 | kspath | SexyKen: People using cron often forget the environment/shell |
| 01:02.59 | Supaplex | AlienX: they're all CraZy ;) |
| 01:03.06 | AlienX | Supaplex, lol |
| 01:03.18 | nethenson | abrotman: yes, but you can't put three dots in a ellipsis :p |
| 01:03.24 | kspath | SexyKen: We have all made a similar mistake before. |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | nethenson: maybe if you spent more time here .. you'd realize i NEVER do that :) |
| 01:03.34 | Naz_ | so, what ircd does freenode use? |
| 01:03.40 | stew | Naz_: hyperion |
| 01:03.45 | CraZyLeGs | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 01:03.47 | Naz_ | oh |
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| 01:03.59 | CraZyLeGs | that's the error I get everytime I try to run a soft |
| 01:04.03 | CraZyLeGs | from the shell |
| 01:04.05 | nethenson | abrotman: :p |
| 01:04.09 | AlienX | CraZyLeGs, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:04.12 | Naz_ | can anyone point me to a good channel for installing hyperion for debian then? |
| 01:04.14 | sharpy | http://f-spot.org/Distributors shows that f-spot is in http://debian.packages.net/unstable/gnome. I put deb http://packages.debian.net/ unstable but I get a malformend sources.list? |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | CraZyLeGs: no kidding .. try sux or gksu or kdesu |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | !sux |
| 01:04.18 | dpkg | from memory, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 01:04.32 | abrotman | sharpy: what version of debian do you have ? |
| 01:04.34 | stew | Naz_: its not packaged for debian afaik, you might want to try undernet's server: ircd-ircu |
| 01:04.39 | CraZyLeGs | abrotman: kdesu same error |
| 01:04.44 | Ronin | sux? sux is having your wife say "lets do our taxes at home this year to save money" |
| 01:04.44 | Naz_ | ok |
| 01:04.48 | sharpy | abrotman, testing. But i want this unstable application for my photo management. |
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| 01:04.51 | Naz_ | any good channel for that? |
| 01:04.53 | AlienX | CraZyLeGs, unless you're running stable do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:05.00 | dbrock | does debian carry old versions of packages in its APT archives? |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | sharpy: ok .. but do you have mono installed at all? |
| 01:05.03 | sharpy | abrotman, just this application. Nothing more. |
| 01:05.07 | CraZyLeGs | I run etch testing |
| 01:05.07 | pilgrim | Hi all. I'm having a heck of a time changing the 404 not found error page in apache2. Could someone help? I edited the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and changed this line from : ErrorDocument 404 /error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var to: ErrorDocument 404 /html/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.php . |
| 01:05.17 | sharpy | abrotman, mono? |
| 01:05.26 | nse | I am having troubles with locales. dpkg-reconfigure locales is giving me errors ( perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings foo are supported ) is there a way to go round this? |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | sharpy: f-spot is a .NET app that runs on mono |
| 01:05.34 | AlienX | CraZyLeGs, you should use xserver-xorg then |
| 01:05.38 | stew | Naz_: there are lots of docs in /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu |
| 01:05.43 | Naz_ | ok |
| 01:05.44 | Naz_ | thanks |
| 01:06.14 | sharpy | abrotman, ok. :-) Umm..so how can i apt-get it with all its dependencies? |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | sharpy: do you still want it ? |
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| 01:06.25 | sharpy | abrotman, is that bad? the mono? |
| 01:06.48 | abrotman | sharpy: mononucleus is bad .. mono is an OSS implementation of the .NET CLR |
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| 01:07.07 | abrotman | sharpy: no .. it's not bad |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | !tell sharpy about pinning |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | !mono |
| 01:07.23 | dpkg | hmm... mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 01:07.32 | sharpy | abrotman, i just dont want it to screw my shiny new testing install. |
| 01:07.33 | AlienX | lol |
| 01:07.37 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that .. i knew i spelled it wrong :) |
| 01:07.45 | abrotman | nethenson: see! |
| 01:07.50 | nethenson | sharpy: you may want to read man apt_preferences (the part about pinning) and then edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 01:08.13 | abrotman | sharpy: worst that happens .. you have to migrate to a broken unstable :) |
| 01:08.27 | Supaplex | chroot install |
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| 01:08.37 | sharpy | abrotman, i rather avoid all that. In any case do u know a good photo manager? no gimp please. |
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| 01:08.47 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:08.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:08.50 | Supaplex | !u |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | gimp is not a photo manager |
| 01:09.20 | abrotman | i've heard gphoto is ok .. |
| 01:09.26 | Supaplex | ext3fs ;) |
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| 01:09.32 | abrotman | i don't know the kde equivalent |
| 01:09.35 | nethenson | abrotman: what did you spell wrong? |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | nethenson: mononucleosis |
| 01:10.01 | sharpy | abrotman, or KDE.. i have both GNOME and KDE. I also have icewm, sawfish and fluxbox. |
| 01:10.06 | abrotman | i spelled it mononucleous or osmething |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | sharpy: which are you using now |
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| 01:10.23 | abrotman | sharpy: or rather .. which do you prefer? |
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| 01:10.58 | sharpy | abrotman, KDE and GNOME. Haven't decided yet... KDE is not as bloated as some would like you to believe. It runs very well on this 850mhz laptop 128 meg ram. |
| 01:11.13 | tuv | for those you witnessed my ipw2200 in-kernel modules (2.6.15-1-686 kernel from testing) drama, here is some somewhat good news. I installed the latest ipw2200 and ieee80211 modules manually and everything worked fine ever since |
| 01:11.14 | sharpy | abrotman, so KDE for the most part. |
| 01:11.27 | abrotman | sharpy: well .. there is gphoto .. but as i said .. i don't know the kde/qt counterpart .. maybe nethenson does |
| 01:11.31 | htrp | 2 * * * * /bin/custom = will run /bin/custom every 2 minutes right? |
| 01:11.34 | htrp | or two hours? |
| 01:11.40 | nethenson | abrotman: I am not a native-english speaker... you can write what you want and I will most likely believe that it is spelled right :) |
| 01:11.46 | Supaplex | htrp: */2 |
| 01:11.52 | zl2tod | gphoto2 is a utility for messing with digital cameras ... some people swear by gallery2 as a photo manager ... depends on what you want |
| 01:11.57 | htrp | */2 ? |
| 01:12.00 | htrp | what you mean? |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | nethenson: you do better than half the US citizens we get in here :) |
| 01:12.22 | stew | htrp: 2 * * * * means run it once an hour at 2 minutes past the hour, like 1:02, 2:02, 3:02... |
| 01:12.27 | Supaplex | htrp: the line you pasted will run it 2min after the hour. */2 will run it every 2 |
| 01:12.41 | abrotman | htrp: that means .. 60/2 .. roughly .. whe it divides cleanly .. it will run |
| 01:13.00 | htrp | so */30 is 2 minutes? |
| 01:13.06 | epsilon | what does "trap" do in shell? |
| 01:13.15 | Supaplex | */30 is every 30 minutes |
| 01:13.16 | CraZyLeGs | AlienX: I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg what should I do now ? |
| 01:13.28 | htrp | oh i get |
| 01:13.37 | sharpy | abrotman, is gphoto part of testing? "Couldn't find package gphoto" |
| 01:13.37 | AlienX | CraZyLeGs, /etc/init.d gdm restart |
| 01:13.42 | htrp | it |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | htrp: man 5 crontab |
| 01:13.47 | nethenson | sharpy: you may try kuickshow |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | !find gphoto etch |
| 01:13.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gphoto' (6): gphoto2 ;; gphotocoll ;; gphotofs ;; libgphoto2-2 ;; libgphoto2-2-dev ;; libgphoto2-port0. |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | sharpy: apparently called gphoto2 now :) |
| 01:14.21 | OpenSSH | how can run or install a .bin file on debian ?? is a instaler for sugar crm |
| 01:14.25 | sharpy | abrotman, tthanks. |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | htrp: that man page should explain all of it |
| 01:14.33 | sharpy | nethenson, coolbeans. thanks. |
| 01:14.39 | tuv | gphoto2 is a library. the gnome app. that uses it is gthumb |
| 01:14.39 | htrp | im trying |
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| 01:15.14 | abrotman | htrp: type "man 5 crontab" .. read the whole thing |
| 01:15.15 | CraZyLeGs | AlienX: you mean /etc/init.d/kdm restart ? |
| 01:15.27 | AlienX | CraZyLeGs, i guess if you're running kdm |
| 01:15.30 | zl2tod | gphoto2 is an app in it's own right, but it's not a photo manager |
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| 01:15.52 | Supaplex | well quit your bi%$*ing and contribute |
| 01:15.54 | tuv | hmm.. not excactly.. gphoto is a command line app that uses libgphoto, which in turn is also used by gthumb |
| 01:15.57 | stew | tuv: gphoto2 is a command line tool that uses libgphoto2 which is the library |
| 01:16.12 | tuv | stew, i was first ;) |
| 01:16.26 | stew | tuv: are you talking about gphoto, the app in woody? :P |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | oh .. i was thinking of gthumb wasn't i? |
| 01:16.43 | OpenSSH | how can run or install a .bin file on debian ?? is a instaler for sugar crm |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | ./blah.bin |
| 01:16.48 | tuv | stew, by gphoto i mean gphoto2 |
| 01:17.09 | stew | OpenSSH: it didn't come with any installation instructions? |
| 01:17.13 | abrotman | sharpy: i'm sorry .. i was thinking of gthumb .. which uses gphoto2 |
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| 01:17.19 | nse | i am about to copy my system from and old hard disk to a bigger one. this bigger one has more than 1024 sectors. can i just copy the files or i do need to create a partition inside 1024 sectors for the bios to understand the kernel? |
| 01:17.22 | tuv | stew, and libgphoto2 by libgphoto |
| 01:17.26 | OpenSSH | nope |
| 01:17.51 | zl2tod | nse: there's a reasonably good HOWTO for shifting to a new disk somewhere ... |
| 01:17.58 | htrp | thanks |
| 01:18.01 | htrp | it worked |
| 01:18.02 | htrp | :) |
| 01:18.17 | Supaplex | htrp: that'll be $175 |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | htrp: did you read the man page? |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | sharpy: ping! |
| 01:18.49 | kspath | !tell htrp about grounding |
| 01:18.50 | htrp | abrotman: no, but i figured |
| 01:18.50 | nse | zl2tod: yes and i am reading it, it refers to another howto about large disks. i want to know if i have to do this really |
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| 01:19.05 | stew | OpenSSH: download the installation guide from the sugar crm site |
| 01:19.22 | abrotman | htrp: you really should read it |
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| 01:19.55 | htrp | i will one day, coz i know im gonna need this |
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| 01:20.03 | abrotman | htrp: you really should read it NOW |
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| 01:20.13 | some_dude | how can i reconfig a package |
| 01:20.22 | stew | some_dude: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 01:20.22 | zl2tod | nse: is this a small /boot partition ? it's good practice to do that |
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| 01:20.27 | some_dude | my gdm.conf is all messed up, and I want it back to the orginal |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 01:21.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 01:21.16 | some_dude | actually my gdm is empty |
| 01:21.20 | stew | some_dude: dpkg-reconfigure won't touch a conf file you edited by hand, you probably want to use gdmconfig (or whatever it's called) |
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| 01:21.32 | nse | zl2tod: yes it is a small boot partition. i understand. what i wanted to do was partitioning it like this: one for / one for /home and one for swap |
| 01:21.39 | stew | some_dude: if it's missing completely, then see confmiss above |
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| 01:21.54 | some_dude | I removed, the package, and reinstalled it, but the file did not come back |
| 01:22.23 | nse | zl2tod: but perhaps it's more interesting to create more partitions, do you know any place where i can read about this? |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | some_dude: did you purge it? |
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| 01:23.07 | stew | some_dude: see what dpkg said about confmiss |
| 01:23.18 | mentor | nse: More partitions creates fault tolerance and eliaviates problems with disk space on server and high end systems |
| 01:23.20 | bwlang | anybody tried cleversafe? |
| 01:23.31 | abrotman | cleaver? |
| 01:23.32 | mentor | nse: I wouldn't bother on a desktop. /, /home, and swap is enough |
| 01:23.34 | some_dude | I've lost my connection to the server |
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| 01:24.06 | liable | any one tried ivman since its been added ? |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | liable: i blame stew! |
| 01:24.33 | stew | liable: popcon says 8. i have, of course. and the elive people have been using it a bunch it seems |
| 01:24.37 | nethenson | liable: no, no ivman in testing :( |
| 01:24.59 | stew | nethenson: it won't be in testing for another 2 weeks or so at least |
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| 01:25.13 | abrotman | !why is ivman not in testing |
| 01:25.13 | dpkg | ivman is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ivman |
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| 01:25.25 | abrotman | 7 more days! |
| 01:25.31 | nethenson | i know it needs 7 more days |
| 01:25.42 | stew | abrotman: i'm not going to wait to upload a newer one so its going to be more like 11 days |
| 01:25.43 | nethenson | but i want it now, wo! |
| 01:25.44 | nethenson | xD |
| 01:26.12 | abrotman | nethenson: you could grab it now ... |
| 01:26.23 | liable | stew: its yours? |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | if all the dependencies are in etch now .. not a big deal |
| 01:26.26 | stew | nethenson: the unstable version would work on testing, you can download it from packages.debian.org/ivman and dpkg -i it |
| 01:26.41 | stew | liable: i'm the maintainer, yeah |
| 01:26.48 | nethenson | niiiiice :) |
| 01:27.26 | liable | stew: sweet. |
| 01:27.44 | liable | guess i'll have to give it a burl. |
| 01:28.29 | stew | liable: i started on http://wiki.debian.org/IVMan |
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| 01:28.59 | liable | looking. |
| 01:29.54 | liable | its a good thing something like this has come around thats dm independent :) |
| 01:29.54 | zl2tod | nse: the scheme you describe is good, but I would add a /boot and perhaps a spare as well in case you want to install more than one system |
| 01:30.47 | Naz_ | I've apt-get ircd-ircu |
| 01:30.55 | Naz_ | but how should I configure it? |
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| 01:31.05 | Naz_ | I've tried connecting and it wont work |
| 01:31.20 | Naz_ | And the INSTALL file in its docs is gone |
| 01:32.55 | stew | Naz_: the configuration is in /etc/ircd/ ; there are commented examples in /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu ; its against policy for a debian package to install the upstream INSTALL |
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| 01:33.16 | Naz_ | ok |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | stew: when installed ivman . it installed suse! |
| 01:34.13 | stew | abrotman: echo "suse hold" | dpkg --set-selections && apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 01:34.18 | gunixu | can anyone point me in the direction of an ideal /partition table. |
| 01:34.25 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 01:34.25 | nethenson | 2 people and I administer a debian pc-router. It would be great not to share the root password, but each of us logging with our user accounts in the router and using sudo and things like that, so it is logged who did what and when. Is there something like it or are we going to make it ourselves? (maybe a frontend for sudo for commands and cvs for /etc files?) |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | gunixu: depends on your setup .. and purpose of the machine |
| 01:34.46 | gunixu | 250gig webserver |
| 01:34.59 | abrotman | but where will the web files be? any databases? |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | !tell RvGaTe^off about away |
| 01:35.20 | gunixu | ./home |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | gunixu: you oculd use LVM and avoid the frustration |
| 01:37.33 | lexton | I'm trying to get qemu to start the demo linux.img on debian 3.1 :: 2.4.x kernel |
| 01:37.42 | lexton | I get -> warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation |
| 01:38.48 | asg | lexton: modprobe tun |
| 01:38.59 | lexton | tried that |
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| 01:39.11 | asg | lexton: is this a self compiled kernel? |
| 01:39.19 | lexton | no default |
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| 01:46.21 | Joe7 | hi |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | !hi |
| 01:46.37 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 01:46.38 | Joe7 | anyone with experience using a gigaraid ite8212 from debian? |
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| 01:47.09 | Joe7 | i'd like to know how to get some statusinfo (e.g. what the hell is it doin atm) from debian |
| 01:47.20 | asg | Joe7: top |
| 01:47.46 | nethenson | is there something to play .3gp videos? |
| 01:48.15 | Joe7 | asg: im afraid top won't tell me what is that chip doing :o |
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| 01:49.58 | asg | Joe7: oh, didn't see the earlier bit about the ite8212. |
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| 01:50.08 | litage | in OO.o Writer, my spelling checker doesn't find mispelled words. how can i fix this? |
| 01:50.19 | asg | litage: consult #debian-oo |
| 01:50.25 | htrp | how do you know when you install debian? |
| 01:50.29 | htrp | any way? |
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| 01:50.57 | asg | !confuse htrp |
| 01:50.57 | dpkg | Yes, who was my pineapple today, htrp? wellies of the dictatorship of belarus with extra ham |
| 01:50.58 | litage | thanks asg |
| 01:51.02 | evaded | htrp: Need you sleep?? |
| 01:51.34 | powder | litage, apt-get install myspell-en-us |
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| 01:51.55 | litage | powder: i have myspell-en-gb already installed |
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| 01:52.13 | freeone3000 | Ehm. Broken pipes are bad, right? |
| 01:52.14 | powder | litage, hmm that's all i needed for my spell checker to work... |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:52.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:52.21 | kspath | Engles por favor |
| 01:52.22 | htrp | i mean, how you gon know where is the time you INSTALLED debian? |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | freeone3000: depends where the pipes are |
| 01:52.35 | kspath | Ingles |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | htrp: should be a log in /root/ |
| 01:52.42 | freeone3000 | abrotman: As in, I get an "Error: Broken Pipe" |
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| 01:52.49 | asg | kspath: Friedrich Engles? |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | freeone3000: better than your toilet |
| 01:52.57 | freeone3000 | htrp: I believe it shows a date installed in `uptime`. |
| 01:53.08 | kspath | asg: hehehe or the tribe/group Engels |
| 01:53.17 | freeone3000 | Nope. Wrong. |
| 01:53.29 | asg | kspath: :) |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | freeone3000: ls -l /root/ . should be an installation report |
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| 01:54.18 | htrp | yeah |
| 01:54.55 | kspath | Is there a basic unix/linux/bsd command tutorial for people that have many questions? |
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| 01:55.20 | freeone3000 | kspath: Yeah, gentoo stage 2 install tutorial should cover most of them. :P |
| 01:55.33 | abrotman | !tell kspath about grounding |
| 01:55.35 | kspath | Maybe a basic grounding in basic commands tools |
| 01:55.41 | kspath | abrotman: Thank you! |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | kspath: are you able to read? |
| 01:56.08 | asg | kspath: also, essential system administration from O'Reilly |
| 01:56.26 | kspath | and unix admin evi nemeth? |
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| 01:56.31 | abrotman | asg: he's pseudo-trolling :) |
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| 01:56.43 | asg | kspath: another good one ;) |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | the purple book~ |
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| 01:56.56 | abrotman | !!! |
| 01:56.56 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 01:56.58 | kspath | Unix Power Tools any good? |
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| 01:57.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:57.06 | kspath | abrotman: It was not always purple. |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | kspath: i know .. i'm not even sure it's purple now .. but it was a few years ago |
| 01:57.31 | asg | abrotman: it's still purple |
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| 01:57.45 | asg | abrotman: the Linux admin is green |
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| 01:58.04 | magyar | anyone in sid using kde? |
| 01:58.07 | kspath | I have/had them all. |
| 01:58.09 | abrotman | hopefully not! |
| 01:58.14 | asg | magyar: in #debian-kde |
| 01:58.16 | freeone3000 | Ehm. |
| 01:58.22 | freeone3000 | Why hopefully not? |
| 01:58.26 | magyar | asg: dead |
| 01:58.40 | kspath | I was asking on behalf of those that seem to be hovering asking non-debian questions that are generic unix/linux/bsd questions. |
| 01:58.41 | asg | magyar: or your question wasn't smart |
| 01:58.56 | dvs | That's not a smart ask |
| 01:58.56 | asg | kspath: we've tried that before; they don't listen |
| 01:59.07 | magyar | is there a problem with konsole on sid? When i run aptitude or any application that has a console "gui" it becomes all broken up |
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| 01:59.15 | asg | magyar: check the bts |
| 01:59.25 | magyar | asg: k |
| 01:59.29 | freeone3000 | Qtorrent works fine for me. |
| 01:59.39 | kspath | asg: Is there a listening factoid? ;-) |
| 02:00.01 | dvs | huh? |
| 02:00.11 | kspath | abrotman: There was a new edition of the linux or unix evi nemeth that was coming soon. |
| 02:00.19 | asg | kspath: no, there is no 'lurk before opening your big fat mouth' factoid |
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| 02:00.30 | asg | kspath: sadly |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | kspath: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0130206016/ref=wl_it_dp/104-1463612-4511169?%5Fencoding=UTF8&colid=1EX4ZCJ4GZMA3&coliid=I2I18AT2GCTOO3&v=glance&n=283155 |
| 02:00.35 | kspath | asg: hehehe |
| 02:00.36 | abrotman | that was the one i meant |
| 02:00.43 | litage | is it possible to tell ``dpkg -l'' to only list installed packages without resorting to other commads, such as piping through grep? |
| 02:01.02 | abrotman | no |
| 02:01.04 | asg | litage: yes, write a wrapper |
| 02:01.13 | lamby | i'm playing with the rsync mirror script... can i ensure it just mirrors i386? |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | cheddar! |
| 02:01.22 | kspath | abrotman: I do not touch amazon anymore. I have the purple unix and the green linux now I gave away my older editions to friends co-workers. |
| 02:01.25 | asg | abrotman: white? |
| 02:01.55 | zinx | litage: apt-cache show dctrl-tools |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | asg: yes |
| 02:02.05 | asg | litage: google for 'Unix Philosophy' |
| 02:02.09 | litage | why is the output of ``dpkg -l | grep .'' squished, for lack of a better word? |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | kspath: i thought they had changed to yellow .. but maybe that was the last edition |
| 02:02.12 | asg | abrotman: yum |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | asg: not melted either! |
| 02:02.27 | asg | litage: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l or use dpkg -la |
| 02:02.32 | asg | abrotman: rock! \m/ |
| 02:02.40 | abrotman | asg: and a Bass! |
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| 02:02.56 | asg | abrotman: or a Newcastle |
| 02:03.25 | htrp | what filesystem do yall use? |
| 02:03.27 | abrotman | asg: with white cheddar? |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | !polls |
| 02:03.32 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 02:03.50 | asg | abrotman: sure |
| 02:03.53 | gunixu | what's a good size for /usr ? |
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| 02:03.59 | asg | htrp: if you have to ask, use the default |
| 02:04.05 | abrotman | asg: nah .. not good! |
| 02:04.12 | gunixu | i've use 10gig for /usr |
| 02:04.21 | asg | gunixu: it depends on how many packages you are going to install and if your are splitting /usr/local to a second partition |
| 02:04.21 | gunixu | sound ideal ? |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | depends on the purpose of the system |
| 02:04.31 | asg | abrotman: Bass and Newcastle are very similar |
| 02:04.50 | gunixu | asg: i haven't devind /usr/local so if i'm correct /usr/local will utilise the space reserved for / ? |
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| 02:04.55 | gunixu | defind* |
| 02:05.01 | nse | i have a 80GB hard disk, how much space of it i should reserve to system files, i mean what is a good size to the root partition? (i will create a /home and a swap partition) |
| 02:05.03 | dvs | defined |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | asg: not even close |
| 02:05.09 | asg | gunixu: or /usr if you separate that from / |
| 02:05.12 | abrotman | asg: one is a brown ale .. one is an ale! |
| 02:05.36 | asg | abrotman: similar tastes, variations on a theme. |
| 02:05.38 | pipeline | nse: If you're the only user, there's no reason to split it out. |
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| 02:06.04 | sharpy | nse, u dont really need more than 10 gigs imho as / IF you are the only user. |
| 02:06.04 | Phobes | Anyone in here an nVidia expert? lol |
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| 02:06.12 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:06.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:06.18 | myren | !u suck |
| 02:06.19 | dpkg | i guess suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 02:06.21 | shogunx | abortman my vote goes with either guiness or dragon stout. |
| 02:06.26 | abrotman | anyone in here stupid enough to buy nvidia? lol |
| 02:06.34 | gunixu | asg: i've set the following; /boot 1gig , / 20gig , /home 200gig , /usr 10gig , /tmp 2gig , /var 1gig , /swap 4 gig |
| 02:06.35 | abrotman | shogunx: to go with white cheddar? |
| 02:06.36 | nse | pipeline: a good reason is that i can save files in one partition if the other dies.. |
| 02:06.44 | myren | um, i'd take nvidia over ati any day |
| 02:06.48 | pipeline | nse: uhhhhh |
| 02:06.50 | asg | gunixu: is this for a production server? |
| 02:06.51 | shogunx | abrotman melted on fries? |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | shogunx: no! |
| 02:06.57 | gunixu | asg: it's for a web server |
| 02:06.57 | myren | i like non-crap hardware |
| 02:06.59 | Phobes | myren, so would I, if I could get it installed :p |
| 02:06.59 | shogunx | heh |
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| 02:07.13 | abrotman | shogunx: we're not allowed to melt cheese in #debian .. asg says so |
| 02:07.13 | gunixu | i've set swap as 4 gig as it should be double your physical ram |
| 02:07.16 | dvs | gunixu: for a company? |
| 02:07.40 | gunixu | dvs: nope, just for friends and family, going to be giving away free web accounts. |
| 02:07.50 | gunixu | web users dir's will be located in /home/usr |
| 02:07.53 | iter | so you're not worried about space for /var/log ? |
| 02:07.57 | shogunx | asg i melt cheese in your general direction. i fondue flagrantly. |
| 02:07.59 | sharpy | abrotman, i would buy one because I like to play 3d games once in a while. |
| 02:08.11 | abrotman | so do i .. doesn't require nvidia |
| 02:08.19 | gunixu | the only partitions i'm worried about is /var /tmp |
| 02:08.30 | gunixu | do you think 1gig is ideal for /var and 2gig is ideal for /tmp ? |
| 02:08.35 | asg | shogunx: the only thing I like about fondue is the sharp implements I long to stab others around the table with. |
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| 02:08.40 | gunixu | 10gig should be plenty for /usr |
| 02:08.49 | gunixu | and 20gig for / |
| 02:08.50 | CompWizrd | an SiS 325 pci video card won't work in a tyan k8we.. random fact that happens when you forget to buy a video card for a server :) |
| 02:08.59 | CompWizrd | trident 9440 did. |
| 02:09.17 | sharpy | abrotman, elaborate on a video card that provides excellent 3d rendering to play for example doom3? Nvidia and ATI are pretty much the head of the pack. |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | sharpy: my PS2? .. i don't play doom3 .. that's why i play every once in a while .. |
| 02:09.44 | gunixu | i need a good example/explenation page. |
| 02:09.46 | gunixu | lol |
| 02:09.50 | sharpy | abrotman, although i do not agree with their propietary drivers. |
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| 02:10.08 | abrotman | sharpy: tough .. you have to .. they won't open the hardware ... |
| 02:10.14 | asg | gunixu: look at the OpenBSD installation documentation and also the Debian install docs; there are some good rules of thumb there |
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| 02:10.25 | sharpy | abrotman, CAD maybe? Maya? i do both on an NVIDIA card. |
| 02:10.34 | sharpy | abrotman, yes.. i've come to accept that. |
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| 02:11.07 | myren | is there some way to do a make-kpkg with root access? |
| 02:11.12 | asg | kspath: it's not big enough to give you pleasure you know |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | sharpy: i'm sure i can do cad and maya .. |
| 02:11.19 | asg | myren: fakeroot |
| 02:11.19 | myren | (or is make-kpkg actally that god damned fucking worthless) |
| 02:11.22 | myren | ahhhh |
| 02:11.35 | shogunx | sharpy sgi has pretty good graphics pipelines, and numa along with them. |
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| 02:11.49 | kspath | asg: I was looking for the rule markings. |
| 02:11.52 | magyar | how can i change my locale; reconfigure |
| 02:11.54 | magyar | ? |
| 02:12.03 | kspath | !locale |
| 02:12.04 | dpkg | methinks locale is something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 02:12.11 | sharpy | shogunx, out of my price range. SGI that is. |
| 02:12.12 | Phobes | Is there an apt-get command that will install nvidia drivers ? |
| 02:12.12 | kspath | argh |
| 02:12.18 | asg | kspath: ah, they are in hectares so you probably missed them |
| 02:12.33 | myren | maybe something might work today! haza |
| 02:12.35 | asg | !locales |
| 02:12.36 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 02:12.44 | shogunx | sharpy you can get used ones that are pretty powerful on the cheap. matrox would be another option for you. |
| 02:12.46 | dvs | !lose asg |
| 02:12.46 | dpkg | asg: You Lose. |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | !prize asg |
| 02:13.08 | kspath | wow, a pony! |
| 02:13.11 | asg | ZOMG Ponies |
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| 02:13.24 | asg | !qotd161 |
| 02:13.24 | dpkg | methinks qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 02:13.28 | Phobes | !nvidia |
| 02:13.29 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 02:13.31 | dvs | doh |
| 02:13.34 | tuv | is there a pheonix bios with a functioning ACPI with linux? |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | who wants to go to princeton with me this weekend? |
| 02:14.17 | asg | abrotman: I'll be sleeping, sorry |
| 02:14.18 | tuv | abrotman, the university? |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | tuv: yes .. |
| 02:14.25 | Readon | hi, how to customize my terminfo? |
| 02:14.26 | shogunx | abrotman can you get a degree in a weekend now? |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | asg: liar .. you'll be at Chili's |
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| 02:14.48 | kaschei | can anyone help me with a "Failed to determine the codename for the release." error on a week-old copy of the etch installer? pound debian-boot is dead |
| 02:14.53 | tuv | abrotman, i'd love to.. but it's too far from here and i'm quite busy.. how far is it from you? |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | tuv: 1-1.5 hours |
| 02:15.09 | asg | abrotman: no, we are doing an upgrade to the SAN controller firmware tomorrow from midnight until and then I have a meeting at 7am till afternoon. I'm going to be sleeping. |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | Daveman will go! |
| 02:15.12 | kspath | abrotman: Stallman or other speaking? |
| 02:15.17 | OpenSSH | how can create user with root's privilege or rights |
| 02:15.18 | OpenSSH | ??? |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | kspath: ultimate frisbee! |
| 02:15.29 | asg | OpenSSH: install sudo ; man sudo |
| 02:15.42 | tuv | abrotman, i'm interested in PhD positions there |
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| 02:15.57 | abrotman | tuv: so am i .. but i'm not qualified :) |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | asg: wuss |
| 02:16.22 | tuv | abrotman, well.. i'm not yet qualified, but working on it :) |
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| 02:16.35 | abrotman | i'm as qualified as a beaver |
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| 02:16.40 | asg | abrotman: I'm an old man |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | actually .. the beaver might be more qualified |
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| 02:16.50 | roler | What do I enable in my kernel to be able to write cd-r's? |
| 02:16.52 | asg | abrotman: wolf nipple chips? |
| 02:16.56 | tuv | how depressing |
| 02:17.11 | abrotman | what is depressing? |
| 02:17.25 | tuv | abrotman, what are going there for, if i may ask? |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | roler: should be there |
| 02:17.47 | roler | abrotman, ; you mean automatically work? or what? |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | tuv: my brother is flying in from denver to get paid to take ultimate frisbee pictures |
| 02:17.49 | OpenSSH | asg sudo is not for execute a cmd as root ??? i'm asking for create a user with root's right |
| 02:17.52 | asg | tuv: to try to find a new girlfriend in his Beige ne Grey Honda Civic Coupe |
| 02:17.59 | abrotman | roler: might not be automagic |
| 02:18.01 | asg | OpenSSH: why? How stupid |
| 02:18.15 | abrotman | roler: what kernel are you using? |
| 02:18.20 | roler | abrotman, ; 2.6.16 |
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| 02:18.27 | abrotman | roler: so you compiled it yourself? |
| 02:18.28 | kspath | OpenSSH: uid 0 gid 0 |
| 02:18.35 | roler | abrotman, ; yup. my cd-rom is /dev/sr0 |
| 02:18.36 | asg | kspath: don't encourage it |
| 02:19.05 | kspath | asg: The trolls are beyond help anyway. I understand what you mean though. |
| 02:19.35 | asg | kspath: It's better not to empower them since such actions will likely result in their systems being rooted and then attacking ours. |
| 02:20.03 | kspath | asg: Very good point for all to read especially someone with the nick OpenSSH. |
| 02:20.07 | abrotman | roler: well .. if you've compiled your own kernel .. we can't be sure you have support |
| 02:20.09 | OpenSSH | asg ..i'm installing Sugar CRM look here : This privileged database user must have the proper permissions to create a database, drop/create tables, and create a user. This privileged database user will only be used to perform these tasks as needed during the installation process |
| 02:20.16 | kaschei | asg: censorship, even for benign reasons, is insulting to your users and detrimental to their education |
| 02:20.28 | roler | abrotman, ; heh. I was asking what was needed in the kernel, to enable support :) |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | kaschei: use Windows 95 ? |
| 02:20.35 | asg | OpenSSH: then give the user the rights within the database, not root permission to the box |
| 02:20.42 | roler | abrotman, ; I remember back in the day you had to do something in the scsi area |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | roler: well .. see .. we support debian packaged kernels .. which have support |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | roler: ide-scsi isn't needed in 2.5 |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | roler: ide-scsi isn't needed in 2.6 |
| 02:21.34 | asg | kaschei: I don't think I censored anyone |
| 02:21.47 | kaschei | asg: kspath: don't encourage it |
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| 02:22.09 | kaschei | let's drop this, I don't want to get into an irc fight |
| 02:22.41 | sharpy | I have an ATI Rage Mobility M1 with 8 megs ram. Is 3d acceleration possible on this olde laptop. I /msg dpkg ati but the site brought me to radeon cards...which is not what i need. |
| 02:22.46 | kaschei | what I want is for the debian installer to work and not fail with "Failed to determine codename for the release." |
| 02:22.51 | roler | abrotman, ; thanks |
| 02:23.17 | sharpy | and i really dont want to touch the unstable branch of Xorg. *hint* *hint* TOPIC. |
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| 02:24.28 | sharpy | pipeline, good luck to u. |
| 02:24.55 | Phobes | LOL!! |
| 02:24.58 | BlackDragon42 | Hello again. |
| 02:25.02 | Phobes | the one-liner didn't work |
| 02:25.03 | Phobes | hahaha |
| 02:25.03 | asg | pipeline: with help from gravity or are you going solo |
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| 02:25.26 | kspath | asg: you were right. allowing/encouraging/enabling doing things the wrong way will help no one and is likely to hurt several. |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | !tell sharpy about u |
| 02:25.30 | pipeline | asg: I'm just building from CVS. My last attempt, using actual debian build scripts, was, uh, not successful. |
| 02:25.47 | sharpy | !confuse abrotman |
| 02:25.47 | dpkg | No, those are their snake tomorrow, abrotman? trousers of the republic of swaziland with extra herring |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | pipeline: i thought gravity had packages in experimental |
| 02:25.53 | asg | pipeline: :) |
| 02:26.06 | pipeline | abrotman: ehh, they don't show up in apt-cache for me, and I updated today... :\ |
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| 02:26.21 | abrotman | slacker DD |
| 02:26.24 | widower | hi, I've created a new partition with fdisk with the option n ... the option l gives me an information about the partition types but which option gives me the possibility to change this new linux partition to an swap partition ? |
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| 02:33.00 | gunixu | is it best to install the BLR on the MBR or first sector of boot partition ? |
| 02:33.10 | gunixu | which is ideal? |
| 02:33.16 | alpha255 | gunix: depends |
| 02:33.32 | alpha255 | gunix: do you want windows to boot os? |
| 02:33.36 | alpha255 | or grub |
| 02:33.43 | alpha255 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.07 | alpha255 | most of the time i let grub boot and install in the mbr |
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| 02:35.55 | OpenSSH | i recive this error ....how can fix it : |
| 02:35.56 | OpenSSH | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: Y ES) |
| 02:36.52 | OpenSSH | ?? |
| 02:36.52 | asg | OpenSSH: try consulting #mysql |
| 02:36.57 | OpenSSH | ok |
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| 02:37.23 | gunixu | alpha: nope, just want to boot into linux. |
| 02:37.30 | kreg_dcdi | ok i seem to be confused with burning cd's now that i'm in kernel 2.6. cdrecord is warning me |
| 02:37.31 | gunixu | using grub. |
| 02:37.46 | gunixu | however it would be ideal to move the grub/boot all together. |
| 02:37.47 | dvs | kreg_dcdi: The author was being anal |
| 02:37.48 | gunixu | can i do that ? |
| 02:37.53 | gunixu | and just boot directly into linux. |
| 02:37.59 | kreg_dcdi | dvs still just cdrecord --scanbus? |
| 02:38.15 | dvs | kreg_dcdi: cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATA |
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| 02:38.40 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 02:38.40 | dpkg | i guess tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 02:38.51 | beered | crap. I have gazzillion text files I need to organize. Anybody has a tip how to sort and organize personal files/folders? |
| 02:39.05 | shogunx | gunixu if you write the kernel to the bios chip. |
| 02:39.40 | staniel | hello, im trying to set up a mail server for my domain, but all the emails are just going to /var/spool/mqueue... how can I get these emails to goto $HOME/MailDir? |
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| 02:40.03 | alpha255 | gunixU: mbr will work |
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| 02:40.40 | alpha255 | gunixu: install /boot on first ide or sda drive |
| 02:41.39 | Phobes | Can someone answer a quick question for me? |
| 02:41.51 | dvs | Phobes: there's only one way to find out |
| 02:41.58 | Phobes | this is true |
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| 02:42.48 | Phobes | I just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, then did lspci in another terminal, it lists my VGA controller as 0000:02:00.0, how do I enter that into dpkg correctly ? |
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| 02:43.35 | dvs | Phobes: What does the whole VGA line say? |
| 02:43.41 | nomasteryoda|w | hmmm, i did that once with the ati driver, but that was months ago |
| 02:43.54 | Phobes | 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00f1 (rev a2) |
| 02:43.59 | nomasteryoda|w | you are required to have the PCI address.... |
| 02:44.03 | dvs | Phobes: update-pciids |
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| 02:44.07 | Phobes | kk |
| 02:44.14 | Phobes | then run dpkg again ? |
| 02:44.18 | shogunx | Phobes PCI:0:2:0 is the correct notation for the BusID variable in your X config file. |
| 02:44.27 | sinisterr | humm Debian works pritty good as a server machine :) |
| 02:44.28 | Phobes | thank you |
| 02:44.37 | zinx | you can leave it blank |
| 02:44.42 | Naz_ | I need help with ircd |
| 02:44.42 | zinx | if you only have one video card |
| 02:44.52 | Naz_ | I set the host thing and the port |
| 02:45.05 | Naz_ | that allowed me to connect from my local network |
| 02:45.07 | dvs | zinx: By the :02:00.0, I'm guessing there is more than one video card |
| 02:45.14 | Naz_ | but I want anyone to connect |
| 02:45.19 | zinx | dvs: nah, just a different port |
| 02:45.23 | Naz_ | how would I do that in the config? |
| 02:45.35 | beered | Ho~ |
| 02:45.35 | kreg_dcdi | dvs. hmm, i'm geting error trying to open /dev/hda. but my cdrw is /dev/hdc |
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| 02:45.44 | zinx | dvs: it's not uncommon to have pci-e and agp for example |
| 02:45.53 | dvs | zinx: True |
| 02:45.55 | kreg_dcdi | dvs, would i need to do the ide-scsi thing like back in the lilo days? |
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| 02:46.15 | dvs | kreg_dcdi: YOu don't need ide-scsi for 2.6 for IDE, use ide-cd instead |
| 02:46.31 | stew | kreg_dcdi: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc |
| 02:46.39 | omi | I've set up uw-imapd (with ssl), but when I connect, it shows the entire home directory. How can I make it show only the mailboxes? |
| 02:46.59 | omi | 1. /var/mail/$USER and 2. /home/$USER/Mail/ |
| 02:47.16 | kreg_dcdi | stew, jsut returned a list of possible commands. i take it that is good |
| 02:48.03 | kreg_dcdi | stew, dvs, does it matter that gnome pops up a blank file window when i insert a blank cdr ? |
| 02:48.16 | kreg_dcdi | could that be interfering with cdrecord, i keep making toasters |
| 02:48.23 | dvs | kreg_dcdi: I dont use Gnome |
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| 02:49.17 | TaF | hello |
| 02:49.42 | TaF | i just installed debian, need a little help |
| 02:50.25 | stew | kreg_dcdi: i'm just saying if you are used to using cdrecord from the command line, and know your burner is /dev/hdc, you can skip the scanbus and go directly to "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc /path/to/iso" (optionally sticking whatever other parmaeters in there you normally burn with) |
| 02:50.33 | stew | TaF: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 02:50.39 | mfrisch | When I use aptitude it asks if I am root and errors out. It says it cannot lock file. Help |
| 02:50.49 | TaF | well, as of about 3 hours ago, i was running mepis |
| 02:50.57 | stew | mfrisch: are you root? |
| 02:50.59 | TaF | i left to install debian by itself |
| 02:51.14 | kreg_dcdi | Stew ya i been using that |
| 02:51.19 | mfrisch | stew yes I su - and logged in as root. |
| 02:51.24 | mfrisch | no go |
| 02:51.27 | TaF | i think i accidentally told the base config to use vesa |
| 02:51.37 | kreg_dcdi | toasters *shrug*. also the gui front ends discover the cd burner just fine, yet fail just before starting the burn. |
| 02:51.50 | stew | mfrisch: then you must have some other running process that is keeping dpkg locked, like another copy of aptitude/apt-get/dselect/dpkg-reconfigure/whatever |
| 02:51.52 | TaF | now i cant change my resolution to anything higher than 800*600 |
| 02:52.09 | stew | !drxx TaF |
| 02:52.09 | dpkg | TaF: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:52.30 | stew | kreg_dcdi: dunno, i've never even seen any of the frontends |
| 02:52.53 | TaF | im sorry, i totally didnt understand that.....im an idiot |
| 02:53.17 | stew | TaF: run this: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 02:53.20 | mfrisch | stew I wish it was that simple. I have rebooted and still no luck. :-( do you know what to look for with lsof? |
| 02:53.28 | TaF | lets pretend that this is the first day i have ever used linux... that might be easier |
| 02:53.39 | TaF | (please dont kick me out for that ) |
| 02:53.42 | AlienX | TaF, would we be pretending? :) |
| 02:53.48 | TaF | lol, yeah |
| 02:53.50 | stoned | back |
| 02:53.55 | stew | mfrisch: /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 02:54.13 | stew | mfrisch: "fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock" should give you the offending pid |
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| 02:54.34 | staniel | im truing to set up sendmail, and whenever a message is recevied, I checked mailq, and it says for each message (Operating System Error). what could this be? |
| 02:54.35 | TaF | i got a strange message when i logged into kde, io slave could not be started? |
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| 02:55.02 | mfrisch | stew no nothing. |
| 02:55.08 | TaF | thanx stew |
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| 02:55.28 | TaF | as root? |
| 02:55.49 | stew | mfrisch: i dunno then, strace it |
| 02:55.54 | stew | TaF: yes |
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| 02:56.10 | stew | TaF: what video card do you have? |
| 02:56.15 | Naz_ | I have a ircd-ircu server |
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| 02:56.31 | Naz_ | I want it to be accessable from anywhere |
| 02:56.40 | mfrisch | stew well it is weird...apt-get works, ah well. THANKS |
| 02:56.43 | TaF | geez, the one that was out when adam and eve got their first computer |
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| 02:56.50 | Naz_ | I have set it up so I can so far access it from inside my router |
| 02:56.59 | danieldg | I'm getting "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!" along with a backtrace when I put my laptop into suspend-to-mem and then resume it. What would I do with this information? |
| 02:57.10 | TaF | select vga im guessing? |
| 02:57.13 | Naz_ | I cannot figure out how to set it up from anything higher than that |
| 02:57.34 | Phobes | Why are nVidia cards such a btch to get working? This is getting on my nerves |
| 02:57.44 | Naz_ | cn anyone help? |
| 02:57.53 | mfrisch | Phobes: whats hard? |
| 02:58.32 | Phobes | mfrisch, nvidia drivers, no matter what distro you run, they're not easy to install (like they should be) |
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| 02:59.24 | stew | Naz_: did you add a catch-all I line? |
| 02:59.45 | TaF | my monitors horizontal sync range?? ah geez |
| 03:00.15 | mfrisch | Phobes: run the oneliner it installs it pretty much automatic, rdonald has newer sources if stock doesn't want to work. I also needed a 2.15 kernel |
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| 03:00.37 | mfrisch | 2.6.15 |
| 03:00.38 | Naz_ | well, I'm actaully I'm using ircd-hybrid |
| 03:00.40 | dgtlhoon | hi there, ive just compiled 2.6.16 but when it boots it says "unknown filesystem type - devfs" and then i get a kernel panic, any ideas? |
| 03:01.04 | htrp | anyone have successfully installed gmailfs? |
| 03:01.06 | htrp | !gmailfs |
| 03:01.06 | dpkg | gmailfs is probably a hack to let your gmail account be mounted as a local filesystem, http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html, or http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/002476.html |
| 03:01.07 | TaF | ok, i got throught the prompts, now what? close and restart session? |
| 03:01.08 | stew | dgtlhoon: yes, devfs was removed as of 2.6.13, you must take the devfs line from your fstab |
| 03:01.10 | Naz_ | it says if you put no host, it automatically checks all available IP's |
| 03:01.15 | Naz_ | but that doesn't work |
| 03:01.16 | Phobes | mfrisch, I tried the oneliner, I also tried installing the ones from nvidia.com, then I tried doing it manually |
| 03:01.34 | dgtlhoon | stew: yeh but this is failling inside of the initrd where initrd mounts the root and does pivot_root |
| 03:01.51 | dgtlhoon | stew, what would my /dev/sda1 be accessed as now? |
| 03:01.57 | stew | dgtlhoon: /dev/sda1 |
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| 03:02.04 | mfrisch | Phobes: I am telling you you want to use module assistant, you tainted your install |
| 03:02.21 | stew | dgtlhoon: and not /dev/scsi/lun0/disc0/part0 or whatever it used to be under devfs |
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| 03:02.33 | TaF | dpkg: i went through the reconfiguration of my resolution display in terminal, do i need to restart my session? |
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| 03:02.48 | stew | TaF: if you want the new settings you do |
| 03:02.50 | dgtlhoon | stew, so inside of my initrd theres an fstab ? |
| 03:02.58 | TaF | ok |
| 03:02.58 | mfrisch | Phobes: do a google on rdonald I think there are good install instructions |
| 03:03.08 | Phobes | mfrisch, ok thanks |
| 03:03.15 | stew | dgtlhoon: i don't know. which initrd tool did you use? which version were you upgrading from? |
| 03:03.37 | dgtlhoon | stew, im using mkinitrd from debian testing on 2.6.16 |
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| 03:04.11 | stew | dgtlhoon: you need to use either mkinitramfs or yaird |
| 03:04.17 | dgtlhoon | stew, mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-xen mine <-- ive mounted my initrd and theres no fstab in there |
| 03:04.31 | dgtlhoon | stew, what is this yaird business? ive seen it mentioned |
| 03:04.48 | AlienX | dgtlhoon, google is your friend :) |
| 03:04.50 | stew | dgtlhoon: Yet Another Initial Root Disk creator |
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| 03:05.10 | stew | dgtlhoon: if you are going to run the mkinitrd under a 2.4 kerenl you need to use initramfs-tools instead though |
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| 03:05.13 | dgtlhoon | so many changes recently |
| 03:05.21 | dgtlhoon | like sysfs, devfs, udev, yaird etc |
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| 03:05.33 | dgtlhoon | stew, ok this is 2.6.16 |
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| 03:05.43 | stew | dgtlhoon: do you run udev? |
| 03:05.58 | dgtlhoon | stew: i have udev package installed but im not sure what consitutes "running udev" |
| 03:06.04 | stew | that does |
| 03:06.10 | stew | dgtlhoon: if so, you might as well use mkinitramfs which uses udev |
| 03:06.16 | stew | which is in initramfs-tools |
| 03:06.16 | beered | How do I search for file that are modified on a certain date? |
| 03:06.22 | stew | beered: info find |
| 03:06.41 | dgtlhoon | stew: cool, trying that now, thanks for your input |
| 03:06.50 | nse | i recently formated one 65GB partition with mkfs.ext3 and df says that 129MB is used in it. how come? i didn't put anything in this partition |
| 03:07.26 | stew | nse: the inodes which will later point to which file is located where |
| 03:07.38 | minerale | I installed the nvidia drivers, and the x server boots up fine, but then when I reboot the computer it 'breaks again'... |
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| 03:07.56 | dgtlhoon | stew: woha wierd, now with mkinitramfs at boot it says "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." and just sits there |
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| 03:08.11 | litage | has SHA1 been broken? |
| 03:08.14 | nse | stew: so they're actually using the space itself |
| 03:08.15 | abrotman | beered: man find |
| 03:08.42 | dgtlhoon | yeh `find` is good |
| 03:08.44 | dgtlhoon | tho tricky at times |
| 03:08.48 | stew | nse: yes |
| 03:08.56 | stew | dgtlhoon: wierd. maybe try yaird then? |
| 03:09.02 | Turing | Does anyone know a amd64 mirror for etch that works fine? |
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| 03:10.18 | dgtlhoon | stew: yeh i guess if its hanging there atleast i know the kernel hardware level drivers are OK |
| 03:10.55 | dgtlhoon | stew, is yaird in testing ? |
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| 03:11.15 | dgtlhoon | yes it is |
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| 03:12.47 | stew | Turing: ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 03:13.12 | omi | Can I make uw-imapd not show files in a remote server?? |
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| 03:13.37 | stew | omi: have you looked in /usr/share/doc/uw-imapd? |
| 03:13.58 | dgtlhoon | stew, ahhh theres nothing appearing in /sys/block/sda according to yaird |
| 03:14.18 | alpha255 | in sarge 3.1 where is the file i modify for virtual hosts? |
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| 03:14.33 | alpha255 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.39 | Joe7 | alpha255: /etc/apache2/? |
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| 03:15.43 | sharpy | http://gnormalize.sourceforge.net/ needs perl-gtk2 but apt-cache search perl doesnt seem to have it... any other place i can swipe it? |
| 03:15.48 | alpha255 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.11 | Joe7 | httpd.conf or what.. |
| 03:16.20 | dgtlhoon | stew, any ideas on that? |
| 03:16.23 | nicnac | hi, which is the file corresponding to the driver 'mouse' in xorg.conf? |
| 03:16.36 | Joe7 | or u can make separate files in sites-available (and symlink them into -enabled)..yeah |
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| 03:16.52 | alpha255 | http.conf isn't used |
| 03:16.59 | alpha255 | apache2.conf is |
| 03:17.02 | Joe7 | can be.. it's 5am :> |
| 03:17.04 | unstable | sharpy, apt-get install libgtk2-perl |
| 03:17.10 | alpha255 | looks like it points to site-enabled |
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| 03:18.03 | nse | i am about to copy my entire system to other hard disk, do i have to switch to single user mode to do this properly or there is no need? |
| 03:18.38 | sharpy | unstable, do i need to get anything else in order to compile gnormalize.tar.gz? |
| 03:19.38 | dgtlhoon | stew: actually its like non of the partitions are registering but /sys/block/scsi etc is |
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| 03:20.52 | myren | how mcuh is 300 euro in us$ |
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| 03:21.44 | alkalineX | whats the testing source list? |
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| 03:21.49 | alkalineX | list(s) |
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| 03:22.26 | myren | what currency is € |
| 03:22.35 | myren | well, that says it |
| 03:22.46 | dgtlhoon | myren, http://www.xe.com/ucc/ |
| 03:22.47 | AlienX | euro |
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| 03:23.07 | dgtlhoon | 373.559 USD |
| 03:23.54 | AlienX | that's a lot of money |
| 03:24.03 | AlienX | oh nvm |
| 03:24.03 | dgtlhoon | not if you're a fat rich bastard :D |
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| 03:24.27 | jshriver | greetings, how do I format a drive to ext3 and get the full capacity and not loose the 5% for root? |
| 03:24.32 | AlienX | i was thinking the "." signified thousands :) |
| 03:24.52 | chealer9 | alkalineX: there are multiple sources.list-s that could be used to run testing |
| 03:25.10 | myren | dgtlhoon: thanks |
| 03:25.13 | james_ | can someone please tell me what process i would have to go through to move my /home dir to another physical disk? (so that i can still use my profiles) |
| 03:25.14 | OpenSSH | where and what i must change to don't redirect me at : http://my_domain_name.bla/apache2-default/ when i type http://my_domain_name.bla |
| 03:25.17 | OpenSSH | ??? |
| 03:25.36 | Turing | q |
| 03:25.57 | sharpy | To get audio cd informations from freedb.freedb.org, install the perl module "CDDB_get-version.tar.gz". Err.. how do i install a perl module? |
| 03:26.01 | nicnac | on one knows which is the file corresponding to the driver 'mouse' in xorg.conf? |
| 03:26.57 | pelox | sharpy: libcddb-get-perl - read the CDDB entry for an audio CD in your drive |
| 03:27.12 | pelox | sharpy: apt-cache search CDDB perl |
| 03:27.22 | OpenSSH | where and what i must change to don't redirect me at : http://my_domain_name.bla/apache2-default/ when i type http://my_domain_name.bla ???? |
| 03:28.01 | sharpy | pelox, oh.. nv ; it was in a subfolder. :-) I can't make after "perl Makefile.pl" Do I need to apt-get anything else in order to perform the "make" command? |
| 03:28.57 | pelox | sharpy: the error tell you everything :) |
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| 03:30.03 | sharpy | pelox, how much can u decipher from: "make: *** [pure_site_install] Error 13" ? |
| 03:30.21 | sharpy | pelox, ahh.. nv.. I found what caused it. |
| 03:30.25 | pelox | or you can follow the CPAN shell install |
| 03:30.40 | pelox | or make the debian package |
| 03:30.50 | nicnac | there are so many of you here and not even one can answer a simple question like this. what a bunch of fools. close up the damn channel and go to bed. |
| 03:30.50 | alpha255 | openssh: handg on |
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| 03:31.22 | StuckMojo | security server is down? |
| 03:31.25 | pelox | lol @ nicnac |
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| 03:32.02 | StuckMojo | hmm...odd |
| 03:32.05 | Baloo | What's the deal with amavisd-new: It says the required module Net::SMTP is missing but libnet-perl is installed... |
| 03:32.07 | alpha255 | nicnac: gee thnx |
| 03:32.27 | alpha255 | nicnac: what a way to intro peple to debian |
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| 03:34.35 | shogunx | nicnac damn... i was considering answering you too. |
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| 03:35.26 | safemode | ok, is anyone else seeing thunderbird hang on load in debian unstable x86? |
| 03:35.27 | fruers | Is there anyway to stop my box from sending via the aliased network interface address? |
| 03:35.45 | fruers | I want it to use the address of the "real" interface |
| 03:35.53 | omi | stew, yeah, nothing interesting there. old release notes and pam/kerberos info |
| 03:35.58 | unstable | !tell safemode about bts |
| 03:36.02 | unstable | !tell safemode about unstable |
| 03:36.12 | unstable | !tell safemode about anyone |
| 03:36.12 | jw2328 | Baloo: It's not libnet-smtp-server-perl that is the dependency? |
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| 03:36.55 | Baloo | Not according to the package. |
| 03:37.38 | jw2328 | Baloo: You get that at runtime? |
| 03:37.47 | Baloo | jw2328: While installing. |
| 03:37.56 | Baloo | Bombs starting the daemon with that. |
| 03:38.00 | Baloo | Un momento. |
| 03:38.16 | Baloo | Lemme get a pastebin |
| 03:38.23 | OpenSSH | i have gived the next cmd : apt-get install apache ... can this generate security problems ??? |
| 03:38.28 | jw2328 | Baloo: Well that's runtime really. |
| 03:39.32 | htrp | did anyone successfully installed and got 'gmailfs' working? |
| 03:39.42 | htrp | i think google is blocking it |
| 03:39.55 | htrp | !gmailfs |
| 03:39.56 | dpkg | from memory, gmailfs is a hack to let your gmail account be mounted as a local filesystem, http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html, or http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/002476.html |
| 03:40.20 | alpha255 | opnessh that should work find |
| 03:40.22 | alpha255 | find |
| 03:40.24 | alpha255 | fine |
| 03:41.15 | Baloo | http://pastebin.com/684300 |
| 03:42.58 | Baloo | jw2328, there's the exact text if you're interested |
| 03:43.03 | jw2328 | Baloo: Try and find out if Net::SMTP is installed. Write a perl script that uses it and see if it runs |
| 03:44.04 | Baloo | jw2328: Spamassassin uses it, doesn't it? |
| 03:44.37 | gunixu | howto unzip a bz2 file? |
| 03:44.43 | alpha255 | openssh: u there? |
| 03:44.47 | Niacin | bzip2 -d file |
| 03:44.48 | gunixu | it seems bunzip is not a valid command |
| 03:44.52 | gunixu | excellent. |
| 03:44.55 | gunixu | thankyou niacin. |
| 03:44.55 | dondelelcaro | Baloo: uh... you do have perl-modules installed, right? |
| 03:44.55 | jw2328 | Baloo: I'm not sure |
| 03:44.56 | alpha255 | openssh: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default is where you want to look |
| 03:45.20 | dondelelcaro | (or otherwise, libnet-perl?) |
| 03:45.43 | dondelelcaro | !depends amavisd-new |
| 03:45.50 | alpha255 | OpenSSH, #RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ that's what you want to do |
| 03:46.57 | Baloo | jw2328: perl-modules is installed, yes. 5.8.8-4 |
| 03:47.04 | dpkg | amavisd-new: depends on debconf | debconf-2.0, adduser (>= 3.34), file, libmime-perl (>= 5.417), libmime-perl (<< 5.4.19) | libmime-perl (>= 5.420), libconvert-tnef-perl (>= 0.06), libconvert-uulib-perl (>= 1.0.5), libcompress-zlib-perl (>= 1.35), libarchive-tar-perl, libarchive-zip-perl (>= 1.14), libmailtools-perl (>= 1.58), libunix-syslog-perl, libnet-perl (>= 1:1.16), libnet-server-perl, libtime-hires-perl, libdigest-md5-perl, libmime-base64-perl, ... |
| 03:47.25 | dondelelcaro | Baloo: then you should have libnet-perl installed. |
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| 03:48.12 | sharpy | is there a way to MANUALLY add an application to the GNOME Applications tab. I did a "update-menus" but gnormalize doesn't show. |
| 03:48.35 | danieldg | I have suspend-to-mem working in my kernel, but when I load the speedstep_centrino module, a suspend results in a soft lockup. Using 2.6.16.11 - any troubleshooting ideas? |
| 03:48.51 | viator | how do i take a screenshot of grub? |
| 03:49.07 | viator | i mande a splash for it and i want to show what it looks like while loaded |
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| 03:49.35 | viator | an not with a digital camera! lol |
| 03:49.39 | dondelelcaro | viator: the easy way is to run it in qemu |
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| 03:49.54 | Baloo | dondelelcaro: What are the correct depends? |
| 03:50.02 | jw2328 | Baloo: ls /usr/share/perl5/Net |
| 03:50.14 | dondelelcaro | Baloo: well, you shouldn't be seeing the error you're getting anyway with the depends it's got, unless you've removed stuff manually. |
| 03:50.55 | dondelelcaro | Baloo: but the issue is that it should have a libnet-perl (>= 1:1.16) | perl-modules (>= 5.8), etc. instead of just the versioned depends that it has. |
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| 03:51.28 | Baloo | jw2328: http://pastebin.com/684320 |
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| 03:52.40 | jw2328 | Baloo: So Net::SMTP is installed. I guess amavisd-new is looking for it in some strange place or something |
| 03:52.57 | gunixu | how to list .files ? |
| 03:52.57 | alpha255 | viator, never done that |
| 03:53.07 | alpha255 | gunixu, ls -la |
| 03:53.12 | alpha255 | is that what you wanted |
| 03:53.14 | alpha255 | ? |
| 03:53.16 | gunixu | mwa, love your work. |
| 03:53.18 | stoned | is it possible to make a booloader use .iso files, ones containing a boot sector? |
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| 03:54.07 | stoned | am I lagging? |
| 03:54.14 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:54.14 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:54.19 | stoned | guess not |
| 03:54.33 | Baloo | stoned: You're just stoned. |
| 03:54.42 | stoned | not yet, about to be |
| 03:54.56 | staniel | stoned: umm, I don't htink so, because they are stored on an actual file system, that would need to be loaded up... I THINK |
| 03:55.08 | Baloo | stoned: At the bong, it will be Portland Standard Time. |
| 03:55.25 | stoned | anyway, knoppix (i know im not asking for fscking support) can use the kernel to boot iso (that live cd thingy whatever) so cd rom can be freed. Now I'd like to take that concept furthur |
| 03:55.38 | alpha255 | limestone |
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| 03:55.51 | stoned | I'd liek the actual boot loader to load iso files as boot images |
| 03:55.58 | alpha255 | isn't that the machine at oregon u that servers up linux |
| 03:56.06 | alpha255 | serves |
| 03:56.11 | stoned | I mean you can extract the kernel from the iso and use that to boot iwht etc, and work i out that way |
| 03:56.21 | viator | use terminal server |
| 03:56.31 | stoned | but hmm |
| 03:56.32 | viator | pxe boot |
| 03:56.58 | gunixu | anyone know where i can find the tk rpm ? |
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| 03:57.35 | stoned | ok, so basically iso files cannot be accessed unless some kernel or some functions of the kernel are present |
| 03:58.04 | stoned | one that can load the file system etc. right? |
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| 03:58.42 | dyGeSenpk | Hi, I have a problem, I try to install sarge but the instalation dont see my sata hdd, any idea? |
| 03:58.54 | stoned | !sata |
| 03:58.54 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 03:59.00 | alpha255 | anyone moving from apache 1.3 to 2 ? |
| 03:59.07 | alpha255 | http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/09/01/186204&tid=129 this is a good site |
| 03:59.12 | stoned | dyGeSenpk, ^^ |
| 03:59.37 | dyGeSenpk | thanks stoned!!!! |
| 03:59.37 | stoned | dyGeSenpk, install sarge with 2.6 kernel |
| 03:59.59 | dyGeSenpk | stoned I try to do the netinstall with in expert26 but dont work |
| 04:00.00 | pikudo | have u think using qemu for iso loading ?.... |
| 04:00.06 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.06 | raf256 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:00.09 | raf256 | how to fix? |
| 04:00.24 | stoned | try apt-get -f install first |
| 04:00.38 | raf256 | stoned: I did, it worked, then I did dist-upgrade - it failed again |
| 04:00.47 | stoned | what distro of debian? |
| 04:00.54 | raf256 | testing |
| 04:01.11 | shogunx | raf256 mkdir /tmp/Xbin && mv /usr/X11R6/bin/* /tmp/Xbin && apt-get -f install |
| 04:01.34 | raf256 | shogunx: hm.. ok |
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| 04:02.55 | raf256 | shogunx: it seems to work.. b0rked package? |
| 04:03.18 | alpha255 | qemu works pretty well |
| 04:03.30 | stoned | more than likely, check the BTS or report a bug please |
| 04:03.55 | shogunx | raf256 remnants of an old file hierarchy. |
| 04:04.12 | shogunx | dosent like anything in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 04:04.16 | stoned | it did that to me with mplayer/w32codecs |
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| 04:04.26 | stoned | changed codecs dir in /usr/lib |
| 04:04.32 | stoned | pissed me off for a week before I figured it out |
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| 04:04.56 | shogunx | raf256 you will have to apt-get dist-upgrade after that also, to install the rest of the packages in your update. |
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| 04:06.37 | raf256 | hmm ok |
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| 04:08.11 | pilgrim | !exim |
| 04:08.12 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 04:08.58 | pilgrim | !tell me about exim4 |
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| 04:09.19 | Joe7 | !tell me about you |
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| 04:09.47 | oeps | Hi guys, i try to install 'vcs-tree' and 'vcsweb' because 'Eric' make use of it i think. I'm on Testing in a virtual machine. I install it with the apt command, but it's now more that 30 minutes that apt are tryin to 'Recompiling Common List Controller for sbcl'. I got also many network trafic of it. I have copy of apt http://pastebin.com/684336 |
| 04:10.15 | alpha255 | isn't exim the default mta in debian? |
| 04:10.37 | action09 | exim4 afair |
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| 04:11.23 | alpha255 | how many remote root exploits in exim; sendmail's had a bunch |
| 04:12.16 | staniel | how do I set up procmail to take emails from /var/mail/$USER to $HOME/MailDir/? |
| 04:12.40 | action09 | alpha255 try google |
| 04:13.19 | alpha255 | action09, i'd bet exim has fewer :) |
| 04:13.58 | action09 | i dunno :/ maybe search on exploit tree, i don't know if it's a good repository |
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| 04:14.44 | alpha255 | action09, postfix has a better record for sure |
| 04:14.46 | shogunx | action09, a quick nessus scan would tell us. |
| 04:14.53 | tmg1|archimedes | I'm trying to compile something that requires the wx-widgets framework; normally and previously there was a tool called wx-config which enabled the compiling program to 'see' the framework but this seems to be missing. I googled and found a bug where this was happening back in like 2000 or so but the solution was nonsensical to the current debian. Where is this wx-config found? |
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| 04:16.24 | sharpy | my trash is gone from my desktop (i think i deleted it by mistake when I was in GNOME). HOw do i put it back in my KDE desktop. |
| 04:16.31 | smacnay | Every time I close irssi, I get the following message: |
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| 04:16.39 | smacnay | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08113788 *** |
| 04:16.39 | smacnay | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 04:17.50 | tmg1|archimedes | oh and it isn't as if the $PATH isn't set to see it ( as far as I can see ) it's just not anywhere I can find |
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| 04:19.58 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: well, if you're closing it, it's not tha tbig of a deal... but it definetly seems like a bug. |
| 04:20.29 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: try turning on coredumps and using a build of irssi that isn't stripped. |
| 04:20.51 | Marudubshinki | is there anyway to have someone make a minor fix to a package whose maintainer is seriously slacking off? |
| 04:21.07 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: 1) have you filed a bug 2) have you attached a patch? |
| 04:21.24 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: the problem is the bug is already filed.... the guy just isn't doing anything |
| 04:21.36 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: that's just part one. Have you done part 2 yet? |
| 04:21.37 | Marudubshinki | and it is a dependency problem, patches are irrelvant AFAIK |
| 04:21.45 | Marudubshinki | what is part 2? |
| 04:21.45 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: and more importantly, what bug are we talking about here? |
| 04:21.54 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: patches are always relevant. |
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| 04:22.13 | oeps | Marudubshinki, part 2 is that patch |
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| 04:22.25 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321995 |
| 04:22.30 | Marudubshinki | 261 days old |
| 04:22.36 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 321995 |
| 04:22.36 | Marudubshinki | for a dependency tweak! |
| 04:22.40 | dpkg | #321995:N[w3m-el] w3m-el: Please include 'emacsen' in dependencies; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:48:05 UTC |
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| 04:23.25 | Marudubshinki | and look at #152977 |
| 04:23.32 | Marudubshinki | 3 years and 287 days old! |
| 04:23.34 | dondelelcaro | ah, of course... it's UKAI |
| 04:23.46 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: uh... there are lots of bugs that are old, it's not really a big deal. |
| 04:23.48 | Marudubshinki | yes, that's the maintainer's name |
| 04:24.08 | cw666 | has xfonts-utils been depricated? |
| 04:24.19 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: well still, a dependency tweak (a perfectly reasonable one) should not be outstanding for almost a year |
| 04:24.31 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: in any case, it looks like that package should be orphaned; it's possible to NMU for those bugs, but it's not something that I'm personally interested in doing. |
| 04:24.39 | Marudubshinki | that's slacking off, seriously so in comparison with other maintainers I've dealt with |
| 04:24.50 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: NMU? is that the process I should be looking at? |
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| 04:24.56 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: *shrug*; maintainers are people too. They get busy. |
| 04:25.15 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: there's no shame in simply saying so and handing it off to someone else |
| 04:25.21 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: in any event, file patches that fix all of the available bugs, and then find a sponsor who is willing to sponsor an NMU, and we'll talk further. |
| 04:25.35 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: that's what orphaning it is... |
| 04:25.44 | Marudubshinki | -_- I don't even know how one changes dependencies... |
| 04:25.58 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: well, this would be a good package for you to learn how to do that |
| 04:26.20 | dondelelcaro | odds are high that no one who can do the work actually cares about w3m-el |
| 04:26.58 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: fine, fine... just tell me what file handles dependencies and I will see whether I want w3m-el badly enough to learn how to patch it. |
| 04:27.08 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: someone has to do the work; the fact that no one has bothered to yet means that no one actually cares about that package. Since you seem to care, start to learn how to fix it. |
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| 04:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: it's debian/control |
| 04:27.37 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: thanks for the suggestions |
| 04:27.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell Marudubshinki -about nm buid |
| 04:27.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell Marudubshinki -about nm uide |
| 04:27.55 | dondelelcaro | hrm... not doing well on this laggy link |
| 04:28.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell Marudubshinki -about nm guide |
| 04:28.16 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: it went trhough |
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| 04:28.28 | StuckMojo | anyone know if XGL is in debian somewhere? |
| 04:29.00 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: afaik, it hasn't been packaged yet. |
| 04:29.08 | StuckMojo | ok thanks |
| 04:29.11 | Marudubshinki | is XGl even usable yet? |
| 04:29.21 | Marudubshinki | I thought it was still essentially in alpa |
| 04:29.30 | dondelelcaro | I don't think it'll ever be usable; it's basically pure eye candy. |
| 04:29.34 | StuckMojo | fedora renamed it to an odd package name. wasn't sure if we had too |
| 04:29.47 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: well, apt-cache search should show it either way |
| 04:29.48 | StuckMojo | i've seen it, it's pretty snazzy |
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| 04:30.06 | StuckMojo | dondelelcaro: yeah i did that, but if they weren't calling it Xgl |
| 04:30.15 | StuckMojo | anyway, thanks ;) |
| 04:30.20 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: it'd still mention xgl in the description |
| 04:30.29 | StuckMojo | one would hope |
| 04:30.51 | dondelelcaro | well, if it doesn't... you probably don't want to use the package anyway... |
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| 04:32.26 | netcrusher88 | how do i make APT NOT use ipv6? |
| 04:32.38 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: well, someone has to do it. If not you, who? |
| 04:32.43 | Gnea | netcrusher88: it doesn't by default |
| 04:32.47 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: someone else, hopefully. |
| 04:32.50 | Langly1 | Use a sledge hammer on your computer |
| 04:32.57 | Langly1 | apt will never again use ipv6 |
| 04:33.02 | netcrusher88 | then what did i change to make it use ipv6? |
| 04:33.08 | maebmij | hi - how do I get a given shell to notice that I've added myself to a group? |
| 04:33.11 | Marudubshinki | but it's alright. I wrote a link-grammar man page, I'm sure I can fix this w3m-el problem. |
| 04:33.55 | Gnea | netcrusher88: it's your machine, not ours, only you know |
| 04:34.05 | netcrusher88 | okay then, let me rephrase |
| 04:34.06 | StuckMojo | dondelelcaro: it's got some practical uses: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fXgl |
| 04:34.14 | netcrusher88 | all i did is install hexago's client |
| 04:34.24 | netcrusher88 | and now apt tries to use ipv6 |
| 04:34.24 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: well, there are a lot of things that other people care about enough to fix; but not everythign is that way |
| 04:34.54 | Gnea | hexago? |
| 04:35.20 | netcrusher88 | it's an ipv6 tunnel broker - the client is in the official APT repository |
| 04:35.33 | shogunx | Gnea freenet6 |
| 04:35.38 | netcrusher88 | yeah, that |
| 04:35.45 | Gnea | that's what i have |
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| 04:35.51 | Gnea | and yet, apt isn't using ipv6 |
| 04:36.00 | Gnea | must be something you changed in your sources.list |
| 04:36.05 | netcrusher88 | do you have the marrilat repositories? |
| 04:36.29 | Gnea | i did |
| 04:36.33 | netcrusher88 | apt isn't using ipv6 for you because you don't have any repositories that resolve to ipv6 addresses |
| 04:36.35 | Gnea | until they broke... always ipv6 |
| 04:36.36 | Gnea | er |
| 04:36.38 | Gnea | always ipv4 |
| 04:36.45 | netcrusher88 | ftp.nerim.net resolves to ipv6 |
| 04:36.46 | Gnea | precisely. |
| 04:36.48 | shogunx | Gnea, netcrusher88 any connection will default to using an ipv6 address over a v4 if there is a AAAA record in the dns for the host you are trying to contact. |
| 04:36.55 | Gnea | then there you go, now you know why |
| 04:37.11 | netcrusher88 | then, is there a way to force it to resolve to ipv4 instead? |
| 04:37.12 | ryan` | that is not a partucularly sane behavior currently. |
| 04:37.47 | netcrusher88 | or, does anyone know of any other repositories with mplayer packages? |
| 04:37.54 | shogunx | ryan` given the massive latencies of tunneled connections, it can be a pain. |
| 04:37.55 | Gnea | dont' use a repo that has an AAAA record |
| 04:38.03 | shogunx | Gnea has the right workaround. |
| 04:38.10 | ryan` | shogunx, hence my comment. |
| 04:38.17 | netcrusher88 | then do you know of any other repos with mplayer? |
| 04:38.19 | oeps | Hi guys, i try to install 'vcs-tree' and 'vcsweb' because 'Eric' make use of it i think. I'm on Testing in a virtual machine. I install it with the apt command, but it's now more that 1 hour that apt are trying to 'Recompiling Common List Controller for sbcl'. I got also many network trafic of it. http://pastebin.com/684336 |
| 04:38.52 | Gnea | netcrusher88: what's wrong with using ipv6 if you have it? |
| 04:39.06 | shogunx | ryan`, right. hopefully we can get v6 stacks in providers routers... the problem is it cost them revenue to do so, now that they have the public shelling out $10/mo/v4 address/ |
| 04:39.15 | netcrusher88 | it doesn't work - for some reason it can't contact ftp.nerim.net over ipv6 |
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| 04:39.34 | Gnea | probably because they didn't setup an ipv6-capable server |
| 04:39.36 | shogunx | netcrusher88 can you ping6 it? or www.ipv6.org? |
| 04:39.40 | Gnea | or half-assed it |
| 04:39.47 | netcrusher88 | well, i can access kame.net |
| 04:39.48 | shogunx | Gnea there is that too. |
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| 04:40.28 | shogunx | netcrusher... resolve the host to v4, and replace the hostname with the v4 address in you sources.list |
| 04:40.44 | netcrusher88 | okay |
| 04:40.51 | netcrusher88 | it used to work with ipv6 :( |
| 04:41.50 | shogunx | netcrusher88, if you cannot ping6 the host... tunnels are flaky sometimes. possibly even marrilats |
| 04:41.56 | netcrusher88 | yeah |
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| 04:44.09 | StuckMojo | hey, when you update something where apt-get upgrade would have asked you a question (i.e. whether to install a new config over your modified one), what does synaptic do? |
| 04:44.23 | StuckMojo | when upgrading the same package |
| 04:44.34 | valdyn | StuckMojo: it ought to do the same |
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| 04:44.50 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: that's actually dpkg that asks you, and you get the same prompts. |
| 04:44.55 | StuckMojo | does it do so in a dialog? or in the console |
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| 04:45.01 | StuckMojo | er..terminal output |
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| 04:46.55 | oeps | StuckMojo, There are an 'integrated' terminal output in synaptic if you prefer |
| 04:47.09 | shogunx | netcrusher88 btw, i can ping6 that host from here. |
| 04:47.19 | Marudubshinki | sheesh. dondelelcaro, you never mentioned that I'd need to use dpkg-deb --control to get the actual control file from the .deb! |
| 04:47.20 | oeps | StuckMojo, You need to click on that litthe arrow there that open it |
| 04:47.33 | StuckMojo | oeps: at this point i like seeing the apt-ish output, since it's what im acustomed to |
| 04:47.45 | StuckMojo | oh wait, that's what you mean |
| 04:47.50 | StuckMojo | yeah i usually show it |
| 04:48.01 | oeps | StuckMojo, yup |
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| 04:48.15 | dondelelcaro | Marudubshinki: uh... you don't do that at all. You use apt-get source w3m-el; cd w3m-el*; modify debian/control; apt-get builddep w3m-el; apt-get install fakeroot build-essential; buildpackage -rfakeroot; |
| 04:48.21 | dondelelcaro | s/buildpackage/dpkg-&/ |
| 04:48.38 | dude | hi all, aside from writing a script is there a tool in debian that can split a 3Gig file and mail it to my gmail account, ? |
| 04:49.00 | dondelelcaro | dude: split |
| 04:49.02 | dude | iv taken a google around and cant find anything that would do the job other than hand mailing each separate file |
| 04:49.11 | Marudubshinki | dude: like gmailfs? |
| 04:49.15 | dude | dondelelcaro: yup, I read that one, but then |
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| 04:49.20 | dude | Marudubshinki: hmmmmmmmm |
| 04:49.23 | StuckMojo | it would be nice if all apt-get (install | upgrade) runs were transaction-ish so you could undo them easily |
| 04:49.35 | StuckMojo | ah, here it's asking me something |
| 04:49.37 | Marudubshinki | dondelelcaro: hmm. I see. I didn't know about apt-get source. |
| 04:49.41 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: that's pretty much impossible without a transactional filesystem |
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| 04:50.21 | dude | Marudubshinki: so i would just mount it? |
| 04:50.34 | StuckMojo | dondelelcaro: well, if you kept the old packages around in the cache, and ... meh. it certainly wouldn't be easy, hehe |
| 04:50.35 | Marudubshinki | dude: I think so, but it has been a very long time since I last used it |
| 04:51.14 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: I've written a system that does it, but only on very controlled sets of packages; trust me, it's not a simple problem. |
| 04:51.40 | StuckMojo | dude: zipsplit? |
| 04:52.02 | StuckMojo | dondelelcaro: i'd be satisfied with just running the install on the old packages |
| 04:52.04 | dude | StuckMojo: i have a 3GIG svn file I want to back up but gmail only takes 10MB files |
| 04:52.10 | pilgrim | I want to setup IMAP and POP3 support for exim4. Where do I get started? |
| 04:52.14 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: well, you can do that fairly trivially |
| 04:52.16 | StuckMojo | and moving the *.old of the config files back |
| 04:52.18 | dude | StuckMojo: short of hand mailing everything, i need something else |
| 04:52.36 | dondelelcaro | pilgrim: you need an imap and/or a pop3 sever. See something like dovecot. |
| 04:52.47 | StuckMojo | dude: rar |
| 04:53.09 | dude | StuckMojo:? |
| 04:53.12 | StuckMojo | dude: there's auto-news poster programs that split large files into rars and post them to nntp groups |
| 04:53.16 | StuckMojo | i bet they can mail too |
| 04:53.24 | pilgrim | dondelelcaro, Is there a tutorial/manual I can read? |
| 04:53.25 | dondelelcaro | dude: split + a for loop and mutt; pretty simple. |
| 04:53.30 | raf256 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:53.30 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.30 | raf256 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:53.36 | raf256 | ^-- on debian testing... how to fix |
| 04:53.53 | dondelelcaro | pilgrim: just apt-get install dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d |
| 04:54.05 | dude | dondelelcaro: i know i know, i just thought someone else had already done it |
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| 04:54.11 | dondelelcaro | raf256: there's an error above that. Use the paster bot to give us the full output |
| 04:54.44 | StuckMojo | dude: i'd look at the binary news posters |
| 04:54.58 | raf256 | http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=15170 |
| 04:54.59 | dude | StuckMojo: thanks, will go read some more |
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| 04:55.07 | StuckMojo | im looking now |
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| 04:55.15 | StuckMojo | i've use a few before, they worked great |
| 04:55.16 | oeps | dude, I think you have to many data to store it there to '100GB'! http://www.mailnation.net/ |
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| 04:55.43 | oeps | dude, I mean you can create there an account of 1.000GB |
| 04:56.11 | dude | oeps: thanks, will look into it |
| 04:56.44 | oeps | dude, If you can make if full, i pay you beer ;-) |
| 04:56.48 | myren | will kernel compile with gcc 4.1? |
| 04:56.56 | myren | and how do i tell make-kpkg what gcc to use? |
| 04:57.16 | shogunx | myren in the makefile |
| 04:57.34 | StuckMojo | oeps: 10mb attachment limit! |
| 04:57.50 | StuckMojo | oeps: according to their front page |
| 04:58.33 | oeps | StuckMojo, everywhere it's the same problem. It's to prevent to make MEGA abuse of it, but what's the problem with split files? |
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| 04:59.42 | CompWizrd | split,a nd i'd upload a few .par2 files in case it loses/damages one |
| 04:59.55 | pilgrim | exim4 isn't an exim fork is it? |
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| 05:00.27 | StuckMojo | oeps: nothing |
| 05:01.16 | StuckMojo | dude: newspost is one of the packages |
| 05:01.19 | CompWizrd | i emailed a cd to someone back in the late 90's to see what would happen.. the 2 gig quantum bigfoot on the mail spool didn't like the idea of that. |
| 05:01.38 | oeps | StuckMojo, There are also 'free services' for storing online backups, crap i not find it now |
| 05:01.54 | StuckMojo | there's definatly some cheap pay services |
| 05:02.01 | StuckMojo | hell my company offers it |
| 05:02.08 | dude | StuckMojo: thanks |
| 05:02.17 | StuckMojo | we do online collaboration, but also have a shared files module |
| 05:02.28 | StuckMojo | it's like $7 a month |
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| 05:02.41 | StuckMojo | 2G mailbox too |
| 05:03.18 | raf256 | http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=15170 - any help? |
| 05:03.35 | StuckMojo | dude: http://newspost.unixcab.org/ |
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| 05:03.58 | cipo | sorry 4 my english, im running etch, and i have 2 soundcards, how to setup esound? |
| 05:04.06 | pagey | anyone help me with a sound prob/ |
| 05:04.07 | pagey | ? |
| 05:04.12 | pagey | on a lappy |
| 05:04.29 | pagey | keeps repeating |
| 05:04.35 | StuckMojo | dude: at the very least you could use it to split and encode the files just like it would for nntp, then email those to gmail |
| 05:05.38 | oeps | dude, http://www.xdrive.com/ it's 15 days trial, but in you're case i think with the trial it's enought |
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| 05:06.47 | dude | Thanks All I have some ideas now, will google |
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| 05:07.56 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.00 | smacnay | IS there an issue with trying to install the debian-packaged nvidia drivers on the debian-packaged 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 05:08.18 | raf256 | smacnay: yes, unpack driver, patch source |
| 05:08.24 | raf256 | there is a link, google for a patch |
| 05:08.28 | smacnay | raf256: thanks |
| 05:08.33 | gunixu | how does one check what file belongs to what package ? |
| 05:08.41 | gunixu | looking for libtcl8.3 |
| 05:08.47 | smacnay | raf256: when you say driver, you mean nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 05:08.48 | raf256 | smacnay: n/p. also, dont vote murderer bush =) |
| 05:09.04 | raf256 | gunixu: try apt-file (apt-get it first) |
| 05:09.13 | raf256 | smacnay: no, I ment nvidia.com driver |
| 05:09.21 | raf256 | it is the most up to date afair, but I can be wrong though |
| 05:09.33 | smacnay | raf256: I am Canadian so I naturally disagree with Bush's "yahoo" mentality |
| 05:09.41 | raf256 | =) |
| 05:09.48 | shogunx | raf256 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/04/338287.shtml |
| 05:09.55 | smacnay | raf256: Ah, I have been using the stuff available in the Debian archives in "testing" |
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| 05:10.25 | raf256 | I hand install nviai drivers |
| 05:10.53 | smacnay | raf256: I was going to at one time but was told not to by quite a few Debian folks. |
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| 05:11.48 | raf256 | it works for me |
| 05:12.06 | cipo | my soundcards dont work unless i run alsaconf again, someone please help? |
| 05:12.37 | smacnay | raf256: right now, there is a newer nvidia-kernel-source package with older nvidia-glx packages in "testing". glx stuff is awaiting a newer verion of X or Xorg so, without grabbing a lot of stuff from sid, I need to hold at an older nvidia driver. |
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| 05:12.47 | raf256 | mhm |
| 05:12.50 | myren | how do i specify what version of gcc to use for my kernel? |
| 05:13.05 | oeps | cipo, You need to save the config of alsa i guess |
| 05:13.21 | killown | how display out message the root-tail in rox-desktop? |
| 05:13.28 | smacnay | myren: set the symlink in /usr/bin/gcc to point to gcc-4.0 - one way |
| 05:13.47 | Gnea | raf256: installing nvidia driver by hand is not recommended. |
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| 05:13.58 | myren | sacrificing babies, another good way |
| 05:14.00 | peterS | smacnay: that's pretty crude. anyway, what you want is a /usr/local/bin/gcc symlink, so it won't get clobbered on upgrade |
| 05:14.07 | raf256 | Gnea: well I was able to apply patches, like to 2.6.16 |
| 05:14.21 | smacnay | peterS: ah, thanks for that - I didn't know about that |
| 05:14.31 | shogunx | raf256 in /usr/src/linux/Makefile change HOSTCC = gcc to HOSTCC = gcc3.3, for example |
| 05:14.55 | Gnea | raf256: what's that got to do with it? |
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| 05:15.15 | smacnay | peterS: makes me wonder what my /usr/bin symlinks should be - most likely 3.3 |
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| 05:15.37 | peterS | smacnay: 'dpkg -l gcc' will tell you |
| 05:15.43 | smacnay | peterS: thanks again |
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| 05:15.57 | peterS | smacnay: that's where the symlink comes from, so the version number of that package will tell you |
| 05:16.10 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i was just sshed into my desktop from my laptop. i accidentally executed xfe from the cli and xfe opened.... on the display on the desktop (the ssh server) is this normal? |
| 05:16.11 | oeps | cipo, i'm not logged with an registred user, so i can not answer you're private message |
| 05:16.12 | peterS | smacnay: or of course 'apt-get install --reinstall gcc' |
| 05:16.24 | oeps | cipo, And ask here please! |
| 05:16.29 | smacnay | peterS: I have hand-set the symlink in /usr/bin to 4.0 a while back. |
| 05:16.33 | shogunx | raf256 sorry, that was for myren |
| 05:16.49 | oeps | !tell cipo about ask |
| 05:17.17 | oeps | and bonus |
| 05:17.21 | oeps | !tell cipo about private |
| 05:17.23 | smacnay | peterS: neat command - "packages cannot be authenticated" - standard message? |
| 05:17.29 | cipo | oh sorry |
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| 05:17.56 | peterS | smacnay: well it's good to know *why* - probably something wrong with your apt PGP key setup |
| 05:18.15 | shogunx | smacnay, check the channel topic message |
| 05:18.49 | smacnay | I updated the key not long ago. |
| 05:18.57 | shogunx | odd |
| 05:19.03 | Zugschlus | pilgrim: no, it is not. It is a new version. exim 3 is dead, do not use for new installs and migrate existing installations to exim4. |
| 05:20.08 | oeps | cipo, An tip for the next one, ask here to the people you want to go with him in private, It's question of eduction |
| 05:21.25 | smacnay | well, I updated the key again and still get the authentication warning when reinstalling gcc. |
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| 05:26.52 | evaded | cipo: Finally why you ask not you're question here? |
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| 05:28.27 | empty_mind | i had escaped network setup option while installing debian. how can i setup network now? isthee a script for configuring network |
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| 05:30.09 | evaded | !network setup |
| 05:30.09 | dpkg | network setup is, like, Go read: Networking-[34]-HOWTO, then man ifconfig, man route, man interfaces. Then ask your question. |
| 05:30.11 | jski23 | #rubyonrails |
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| 05:30.27 | jski23 | anybody home? |
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| 05:30.46 | gunixu | can anyone suggest why i'm receiving a make[1]: gcc: command not found |
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| 05:31.01 | gunixu | make[1]: *** [tkparse.o] Error 127 |
| 05:31.06 | jski23 | i'm trying to instal RoR on a mepis debian box w/ pgsql support. |
| 05:31.14 | peterS | !b-e gunixu |
| 05:31.14 | dpkg | gunixu: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 05:31.20 | gunixu | i've just unpacked gcc-3.2.2.5.src |
| 05:31.41 | jski23 | i think i have ruby and rails set up. i'm trying to get pgsql support going... |
| 05:32.18 | peterS | gunixu: wtf? we have nothing called gcc-3.2.2.5.src |
| 05:32.23 | peterS | gunixu: what OS are you using? it's not Debian |
| 05:32.30 | jski23 | i'm in synaptic and i have postgresql 8.1 ready to go, but i noticed there is also a package called libpqsql-ruby1.8. |
| 05:33.03 | jski23 | do i need that? a couple tutorials don't mention it, but at least one tutorial does mention it. |
| 05:33.27 | pabs3 | are there any etch users here? (preferably with apache+php4 installed) if so, can you try and install php4-mapscript, tell me if it fails and add the results to bug #363115 |
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| 05:34.13 | zasz | woot I got bind9 working as an active directory slave server |
| 05:34.20 | evaded | pabs3: Yes, i'm, in an virtual machine |
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| 05:34.24 | zasz | now I dunno what else I should do with this ppc laptop :L |
| 05:34.53 | jski23 | #rubyonrails |
| 05:34.55 | gozz | is xorg available in debian? if so can i just apt it? |
| 05:35.15 | peterS | !topicsmite gozz |
| 05:35.16 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gozz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:37.52 | gozz | ok well that answers my firs question now how can i get it? apt? if so apt-cache search xorg gets me nothing |
| 05:38.54 | skrewz | gozz: It's not really in stable yet. You may want to look for a backport. |
| 05:38.58 | gozz | im not interested in a cutting edge version i just need to install fglrx |
| 05:39.24 | zasz | is xorg better then X |
| 05:39.34 | gozz | and i would like to update before i do that |
| 05:40.11 | gozz | ati is a pain |
| 05:40.12 | evaded | pabs3: It fail also here |
| 05:40.35 | skrewz | gozz: X is a protocol and the sorrounding windowing system. In stable its given by XFree86, whereas in testing and unstable, its given by xorg. |
| 05:40.40 | pabs3 | evaded: :( |
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| 05:40.51 | Edward_T | jo what's up with security.debian.org ? |
| 05:40.58 | pabs3 | evaded: thanks for testing |
| 05:41.00 | evaded | pabs3: E:php-mapscript: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 05:41.01 | Edward_T | it's slow and I'm in holland |
| 05:41.07 | evaded | pabs3: ;-) |
| 05:41.20 | skrewz | gozz: Perhaps you want to ``upgrade'' to testing? |
| 05:41.40 | Edward_T | it's just dead on port 80.. :( |
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| 05:42.20 | evaded | pabs3: So you do the rest? I mean the report procedure? I not know many about that. That's why im in 'virtual machine' phase ;-) |
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| 05:42.40 | pabs3 | evaded: don't worrry about it, since the results are the same |
| 05:42.52 | evaded | pabs3: Yup ;-) |
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| 05:43.05 | Gregorovius | can anyone recommend me a podcast aggregator? |
| 05:43.29 | gozz | testing sounds risky |
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| 05:44.06 | evaded | gozz: Try to play with 'virtual machines'?? |
| 05:44.43 | gozz | no multi boot |
| 05:44.50 | skrewz | gozz: It is somewhat, too. However, so is fglrx (which you wouldn't want anyway -- nonfree). |
| 05:45.33 | evaded | gozz: With virtual machines you not need to have multi boots, in case you not know about it |
| 05:45.54 | skrewz | gozz: Well, in that case I'd recommend doing as I do: Have your MS installation for MS stuff (=gaming), and keep your Debian installation free. :) |
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| 05:46.04 | skrewz | Anyway. I'm off. |
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| 05:46.49 | evaded | gozz: Or if you have multi pc. Keep one for gaming an the others what you want |
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| 05:48.59 | gozz | well i have more than one i want to learn as much as i can with linux but i find that i need ms for some stuff i do and i dont like to use the slower ones |
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| 05:49.56 | gozz | plus when my ms crashes i can fix it with linux without loosing my files |
| 05:50.39 | peterS | zasz: is a Pontiac better than a car? |
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| 05:51.34 | DragonD | is there a way to make the business card livecd to set a root passwd and start sshd? |
| 05:51.43 | evaded | gozz: Take 'qemu for windows' is similar as the comercial vmware and play with virtual computers so on you're running M$ you can have Debian running |
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| 05:53.23 | peterS | DragonD: you just described lnx-bbc, the _original_ business card livecd |
| 05:53.40 | evaded | gozz: I think it's interesting for you http://tinyurl.com/np96j |
| 05:53.54 | gozz | i have vmware |
| 05:54.02 | randey_ | DragonD: change passwd in normal system and cp those /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to your business card root filesystem and rewrite the image on a CD |
| 05:54.22 | DragonD | peterS: well i want to do is boot this pos computer and have it start sshd so i can install from ssh |
| 05:54.23 | gozz | thats how i learned the basics of debian |
| 05:54.23 | evaded | gozz: It's talk of the both, and more of vmware. |
| 05:54.33 | evaded | gozz: ;-) |
| 05:54.47 | DragonD | randey_: how can i do that on windows |
| 05:54.51 | peterS | DragonD: lnx-bbc includes sshd and lets you set a root password when you boot |
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| 05:55.43 | randey_ | DragonD : For the solution I gave, you need a linux/unix box |
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| 05:55.58 | DragonD | peterS: no keyboard/monitor on the pos computer |
| 05:56.36 | myren | hm, will linux compile on gcc-4.1 |
| 05:56.48 | gozz | i have tried alot of linux distros and im hooked on debian i want to just want to get rid of windows but i need it for some apps i dont use it for gaming i have an xbox for that |
| 05:56.49 | peterS | DragonD: guess you need to borrow a keyboard and monitor long enough to boot the box then |
| 05:57.01 | peterS | DragonD: a lot of PC BIOSes won't even boot without a keyboard, actually |
| 05:57.24 | DragonD | peterS: this one will if you tell it to |
| 05:57.37 | evaded | gozz: Which apps? Can you not run it with wine or so. Or run vmware on you Debian box? My vmware are on my Debian :-P |
| 05:57.43 | peterS | DragonD: but without a keyboard, how do you tell it? |
| 05:58.43 | DragonD | peterS: i mean connect a keyboard to it configure the bios to boot w/out a keyboard |
| 05:59.13 | peterS | DragonD: right, so since you have a keyboard to connect to it anyway, may as well use that for your install, too |
| 05:59.59 | DragonD | peterS: i allready disconnect the keyboard. but i''l prolly reconnect it anyways |
| 06:00.14 | gozz | i dont have the linux version of vmware and i operate a website that i use frontpage for plus little utilities like smartripper |
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| 06:01.26 | evaded | gozz: bah, frontpage. Mean you really that you use frontpage for making websites?? |
| 06:01.59 | gozz | ya |
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| 06:02.13 | evaded | gozz: Crazy guy :-p |
| 06:02.27 | gozz | why? |
| 06:02.37 | evaded | gozz: I really not like frontpage, it's one of the shitest stuff to make website, perso |
| 06:02.58 | gozz | what do you use? |
| 06:03.58 | evaded | gozz: I no more use Dreamweaver, but that's the same thing, he write to many code that are Dreamweaver or Strontpage depended. I use an simple text editor |
| 06:04.30 | evaded | gozz: On debian i use Quanta+, vim. Sceem, bluefish |
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| 06:04.55 | minerale | I have mounted another partition on the same hard drive (ntfs), it mounts fine, but when I try to load it it hangs (I can hear the drive spinning) ... I can boot windows from that partition just fine |
| 06:05.07 | gozz | i think i did ok for my first www.midwesthighendrepairables.com |
| 06:05.10 | minerale | try to load -> try to ls |
| 06:05.17 | evaded | gozz: Frontpage set to many crazy code in the html files. |
| 06:05.41 | gozz | the speed sites say its big |
| 06:06.05 | evaded | gozz: Look that one. Made with Quanta(in source mode) and vim http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
| 06:06.19 | gozz | but i cant find any options to compress it |
| 06:07.16 | gozz | just optimize and it dont seem to do shit |
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| 06:07.19 | evaded | gozz: It's look that you are good wiht gfx, that's what im missing. I need to play and learn gimp |
| 06:07.51 | gozz | does it seem slow? |
| 06:07.55 | Angels2 | i wonder why people always bash software somebody is using... :) |
| 06:08.02 | Angels2 | anyhow, good morning everybody |
| 06:08.14 | evaded | gozz: I have here an 10Mbs internet connection, so everything goes fast :-) |
| 06:08.34 | gozz | must be nice :) |
| 06:08.37 | evaded | gozz: I have migrate this night from 5Mbps to 10 :-) |
| 06:08.54 | evaded | gozz: It's my ISP that give that upgrade free :-) |
| 06:08.57 | gozz | edu? |
| 06:09.11 | evaded | gozz: No it's an monopolish i |
| 06:09.14 | evaded | isp |
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| 06:10.23 | sciboy | Hey guys, trying to setup my cdrw, and well... can't do anything with CDR's, it doesn't even register that there is one in there. |
| 06:10.35 | sciboy | However cd's mount fine. |
| 06:10.53 | evaded | !cdrw |
| 06:10.54 | dpkg | The Unix CD-Writer compatibility list is at http://www.shop.de/cgi-bin/winni/lsc.pl, or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/index-debian-cdrw.html |
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| 06:11.17 | lehel | hello |
| 06:11.23 | evaded | hello |
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| 06:11.34 | evaded | gozz: Know you about gimp? |
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| 06:12.01 | evaded | gozz: There is an good book about it 'Grokking the gimp', that are on my little server |
| 06:12.03 | sciboy | It's an ultra-quick dvd writer. =) |
| 06:12.18 | gozz | nope paintshop pro :) |
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| 06:12.40 | lehel | i just put a proftpd, but other users than admin don't want to login.. long delay..[?] |
| 06:12.48 | evaded | gozz: So i suggest you to use Gimp instead. Also available for M$ |
| 06:13.36 | evaded | gozz: I say that because i think you made that layout of you're site and with gimp you have an really good tool in you're hands. I know an guy and he do crazy things with it, really |
| 06:15.04 | gozz | i will have to play with that a little |
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| 06:16.58 | Metrics | Is anybody here running Xorg 7 in sid with the nvidia proprietary driver? |
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| 06:17.17 | Coweater | !anybody |
| 06:17.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:17.20 | Jeeves_Moss | all: good evining all!!! |
| 06:17.45 | Angels2 | good evening? O.o its 8am over here |
| 06:17.58 | evaded | gozz: If you want to read that book (its an free book) http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/cgi-bin/dwww?type=html&location=/usr/share/doc/grokking-the-gimp/html/index.html |
| 06:18.05 | Jeeves_Moss | Angels2: I just got home from the bar in downtown Toronto |
| 06:18.22 | Metrics | Okay, does anybody here have Xorg 7 running successfully with the nvidia proprietary driver? |
| 06:18.28 | Angels2 | Jeeves_Moss: :) |
| 06:18.40 | Jeeves_Moss | Angels2: are you a wiz with NIC cards? |
| 06:18.54 | Angels2 | Jeeves_Moss: Depends on your problem :P |
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| 06:19.50 | Jeeves_Moss | Angels2: simple, I installed the OS, and it dosen't bring the card up. I can force it up with "ifconfig eth0 up", but it won't pull a DHCP and if I static it, it won't talk to the outside world. Its like a littel autistic child. |
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| 06:20.34 | Coweater | Metrics: since you won't specify or give any info, have fun reading http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 06:20.54 | evaded | oeps, i was thinking i was in ##php. Sorry guys for that MB ot :-/ |
| 06:20.58 | gozz | evaded: what does this mean? This page needed 1 second |
| 06:21.01 | Metrics | Coweater: WTF? I'm just asking a question if someone has it working...all I need is yes or no. |
| 06:21.08 | od- | hi, i cant seem to login into sqwebmail and i checkd var/log/mail and im getting Apr 26 07:19:33 localhost authdaemond.mysql: failed to connect to mysql server (server=127.0.0.1, userid=provider_admin) |
| 06:21.13 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 06:21.14 | Angels2 | Jeeves_Moss: what kind of card? |
| 06:21.21 | Angels2 | Jeeves_Moss: what manufactor |
| 06:21.29 | Metrics | Coweater: I've seen the page, I've read the bugs. I'm just asking for experiences. |
| 06:21.29 | Coweater | Metrics: no, then, nobody ever anywhere has it working, and we never will |
| 06:21.34 | Jeeves_Moss | Angels2: Linksys I think |
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| 06:21.41 | evaded | gozz: On the bottom of it. It's are PHP files connected with an MySQL database. And that page needed 1 seconde to load :-/ |
| 06:21.53 | Jeeves_Moss | Streunner_: one sec. Gotta walk into the kitchen where the rack is. |
| 06:21.54 | evaded | gozz: Quick he :-) |
| 06:21.58 | Metrics | Coweater: Ummm....in english? |
| 06:22.06 | gozz | ya |
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| 06:22.23 | Angels2 | Jeeves_Moss: had the same / similiar problem on fc4 with a tekram(?)3 onboard card ... was recognized 100%, but due a bug no data was sent/Received |
| 06:22.26 | evaded | gozz: It's an P2 233Mhz with 150MB RAM and ... running _Debian_ |
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| 06:23.10 | gozz | oh so its your server huh |
| 06:23.12 | Angels2 | Angels2: my problem was solved as i used the e100 (intel) nic driver instead of the recognized one |
| 06:23.12 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: 2.6.12-9-386 |
| 06:23.23 | Angels2 | oh i just highlighted myself.. heh |
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| 06:23.33 | gozz | is that all it is? or is it used? |
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| 06:23.47 | evaded | gozz: Yep at home. That's why you need to use the port 3334 to access it, my ... isp block ports < 1024 |
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| 06:23.54 | Jeeves_Moss | Angels2: well, I know this card works (in a M$ box), and I know the cable its on is good, its just Linux it dosen't like. |
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| 06:24.13 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: can you ssh into the box? |
| 06:24.16 | Angels2 | Jeeves_Moss: try a different driver .) |
| 06:24.51 | gozz | how much is the domain? |
| 06:24.51 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: If I could SSH into the box, I'd be a step int he right direction. This thing is like the autistic child I never wanted. |
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| 06:25.13 | Jeeves_Moss | Angels2: Its making me mad. Every time I want to work on it or check something, I have to walk into the kitchen |
| 06:25.15 | streuner_ | well, i dunno why you ask then |
| 06:25.27 | veleno | hello everyone. i'm upgrading from xorg6.9 to 7, and when I launch 'startx' i get "Failed to load module 'nvidia' (module does not exist,0)". but, before doing so, i rebuild the nvidia drivers and modprobed nvidia (also, it is in etc/modules) |
| 06:25.29 | evaded | gozz: That one i use?? Free. Look to 'noip' or 'dydns'(typo error) |
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| 06:25.50 | Jeeves_Moss | Streuner_: I'd like to be able to get this box to talk to the network so I CAN SSH into it. Right now, it can't/won't talk to the network |
| 06:25.55 | evaded | gozz: I use 'noip' |
| 06:26.10 | evaded | gozz: Also packaged for Debian :-) |
| 06:26.35 | Metrics | veleno: When you build the modules, use --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ as an argument. |
| 06:26.37 | od- | hi guys im trying to login into my webmail and it says login/pass is invalid and i checkd var/log/mail and im getting Apr 26 07:19:33 localhost authdaemond.mysql: failed to connect to mysql server (server=127.0.0.1, userid=provider_admin) ? |
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| 06:27.01 | Metrics | veleno: I'm about to do this upgrade, and I was just about to see if anyone had got it working. |
| 06:27.15 | Jeeves_Moss | Angels2: It keeps telling me connect: network unreachable! |
| 06:27.28 | _kadaj_3 | what diference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 06:27.31 | evaded | od-: Need you to setup MySQL?? |
| 06:27.38 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: can you ping the router? |
| 06:27.44 | kohinoor | is there any way so i can add interface configuration via command in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:27.44 | Jeeves_Moss | _kadaj_3: a lot less headaches some days. |
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| 06:28.00 | streuner_ | _kadaj_3: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 06:28.05 | veleno | Metrics ok, let's try! |
| 06:28.11 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: nope, I get a connect: Network is unreachable! error |
| 06:28.21 | minerale | when I mount my ntfs partition I get a huge list of nonsensical files such as "ZZZQ42D0.RUD" |
| 06:28.47 | unstable | What is xip? |
| 06:28.53 | od- | evaded, ive setup mysql thats the thing. |
| 06:28.56 | Metrics | veleno: Let me know how you go. I'm in the situation where my card doesn't work with the stock nv driver so it's do or die for me. |
| 06:28.58 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: if you cannot 'ping -c1 (IP of your hardware-router) you have a hardware-issue |
| 06:29.21 | gozz | how does it work just names they cant sell? |
| 06:29.38 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: well, even if I static IP this card, it dosen't like it. So I'm @ a loss. I don't want to go buy another card for this box. |
| 06:29.39 | evaded | od-: 127.0.0.0 Probably i guess that's you're problem |
| 06:29.48 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: if the driver of the box in the kitcher working |
| 06:30.05 | evaded | gozz: I not understand |
| 06:30.05 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: hunh? |
| 06:30.20 | Azar | strange.. I had same issue I had to replace the router |
| 06:30.26 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: what does ifconfig say? does it show your NIC? |
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| 06:30.43 | veleno | Metrics i booted! and..gnome 2.14!! :-) nvidia native drivers work like a charm :) |
| 06:31.05 | Azar | the strangest thing is for the first time in years I had to specifically assign DNS on a trusted area |
| 06:31.05 | gozz | i thought all the .com .net .org ect... you had to pay for? |
| 06:31.08 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: if I "ifconfig" it when I reboot the box, it dosen't show, but I can force it up (still dosen't pull a IP from the DHCP though) through "ifconfig eth0 up |
| 06:31.31 | gozz | if their is a way around it i wanna know |
| 06:31.33 | evaded | gozz: I not know how it work. But look to http://www.no-ip.com/ |
| 06:31.34 | _kadaj_3 | what is the latest version of debian? |
| 06:31.47 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: use 'ifup -a' and 'ifdown -a' to turn it off |
| 06:31.47 | Azar | _kadaj_3: Sarge |
| 06:32.04 | Azar | _kadaj_3: Sarge stable 3.1 |
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| 06:32.12 | xomhau | hi all |
| 06:32.33 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: so make sure the driver is loaded of the NIC and ping the hardware-router NOW |
| 06:32.36 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: ok, now what? |
| 06:32.50 | xomhau | anyone , tell me pls, after i upgrade vim 6.4 ( testing ) , color syntax error |
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| 06:33.01 | _kadaj_3 | how big is debian cd image? |
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| 06:33.10 | ankur | hello friends. how can i setup samba server |
| 06:33.21 | xomhau | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.29 | Jeeves_Moss | ankur: apt-ger install saban-server |
| 06:33.47 | Jeeves_Moss | ankur: sorry, that samba-server |
| 06:34.04 | evaded | _kadaj_3: It depend, but the netinstall is +-110MB and the rest of pacakage you choose, he download from the Internet |
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| 06:34.28 | _kadaj_3 | i need only a working base system |
| 06:34.29 | evaded | _kadaj_3: Otherwise you can also download these 14CD's ha ha |
| 06:34.29 | unstable | _kadaj_3, yea use the netinstall, it's the best way to install debian. imho |
| 06:34.37 | unstable | !d-i |
| 06:34.37 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 06:34.41 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: its still telling me that the network is unreachable |
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| 06:35.07 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: and the driver for your NIC is loaded too? |
| 06:35.33 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: it shows up on "ifconfig". I don't know if that means anything though. |
| 06:35.56 | Seb | is security.debian.org down ? |
| 06:36.00 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: well, in this case (ping -c1 IPof_your_hardware-router) you have a cable or other hardware-issue then |
| 06:36.27 | Azar | Seb, why? |
| 06:36.28 | evaded | Seb: Ping it |
| 06:36.30 | unstable | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 06:36.34 | unstable | Why is vlc not in testing? |
| 06:36.36 | Seb | i just did |
| 06:36.38 | unstable | And it's not in marillat either. |
| 06:36.39 | Seb | it doesn't answer |
| 06:36.42 | Seb | hence my question |
| 06:36.44 | Seb | sheesh |
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| 06:37.04 | Seb | unstable: it is. apt-cache search vlc |
| 06:37.06 | Metrics | veleno: Good to hear about the drivers working...guess it's my turn now. |
| 06:37.11 | streuner_ | Seb: one of the servers doesn't respond to me too |
| 06:37.19 | Seb | streuner_: k, thanks for checking |
| 06:37.24 | unstable | Seb, I did that....it's not there. |
| 06:37.26 | streuner_ | 128.101.240.212 |
| 06:37.26 | Jeeves_Moss | streuner_: even whtn I use "ping -c1 192.168.1.52", I still get that "network unreachable" eooro |
| 06:37.29 | evaded | Seb: I have also got 40% loss :-/ |
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| 06:38.18 | Azar | Seb it works for me here |
| 06:38.21 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: then you've misconfigured your interace. Pinging your gateway cannot possibly yield this message, since by definition it is on your subnet. |
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| 06:38.41 | unstable | Seb, I can't apt-get install vlc, on an unstable system. But not on a testing system. |
| 06:38.45 | anto | hello |
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| 06:39.06 | anto | yo soy de la habana xico |
| 06:39.08 | evaded | Azar: Seb, now it's 0% loose, so i guess little temp problem there |
| 06:39.08 | Seb | unstable: of course you can. I can even on stable. |
| 06:39.12 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: The NIC won't pull an IP from the DHCP server, and when I staticly IP it, I get the same issue. Basicly I'm cheap (or more like poor), and would like not to buy another card. |
| 06:39.27 | Azar | !es |
| 06:39.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:39.33 | unstable | Seb, yea I can install it form stable also. |
| 06:39.33 | streuner_ | Seb: he isn't able to ping the hardware-router... |
| 06:39.34 | anto | i am from the La Habana mi niño |
| 06:39.36 | unstable | Seb, But not on testing. |
| 06:39.52 | _kadaj_3 | evaded: need to configure x11 before install gnome? |
| 06:39.57 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: you "staticly IP it" wrong then. What IP did you give your NIC ? ANd what IP is the router ? |
| 06:40.03 | evaded | _kadaj_3: Sure! |
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| 06:40.26 | anto | oye xico i meet the negro guapeton |
| 06:40.28 | unstable | Seb, change your sources.list to etch, and apt-get update && apt-cache search and you'll see what I mean. |
| 06:40.36 | _kadaj_3 | manually? |
| 06:40.39 | evaded | !tell anto about es |
| 06:40.47 | Truscha | hello people. can anybody help me |
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| 06:40.55 | YouCeyE | hello |
| 06:40.56 | Seb | unstable: right, yeah, chaging my sources.list to testing is a very good idea. I'ma do that right now. |
| 06:41.09 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: The hardware currently is under DHCP, I orignaly had it on the same subnet (a flat subnet currently) as the router and a Samba server. The router is 192.168.1.10 and the Samba server is on 192.168.1.52. The box with teh problem was set as 192.168.1.49 |
| 06:41.09 | YouCeyE | i am trying to use a usb headset in debian |
| 06:41.16 | Seb | Truscha: most likely, if you care to state your problem. |
| 06:41.19 | DaBlade | I've got an annoying problem - Regardless of which browser I use, the sound in Flash is always lagging behind by about a second. Can anyone give me a hand please? |
| 06:41.19 | YouCeyE | it shows in kmix but i am not able to use it |
| 06:41.23 | unstable | Seb, It won't do anything if you don't apt-get install/upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 06:41.32 | YouCeyE | what can i do? |
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| 06:41.38 | evaded | !tell _kadaj_3 about install gnome |
| 06:41.39 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: so you can't ping 192.168.1.10 frpom the problem box ? |
| 06:41.40 | DaBlade | YouCeyE: Try running alsamixer in the terminal |
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| 06:41.44 | streuner_ | YouCeyE: and you use skype? |
| 06:41.46 | Truscha | ok but at first i must say that my english not so good is |
| 06:41.48 | DaBlade | And changing a few volumes there |
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| 06:41.59 | Seb | Truscha: still welcome to ask you are |
| 06:42.07 | YouCeyE | streuner_, yes.. trying to use kopete |
| 06:42.10 | streuner_ | YouCeyE: and why are you in ubuntu? |
| 06:42.13 | evaded | !tell _kadaj_3 about set up x |
| 06:42.15 | YouCeyE | DaBlade, alsaconf wnt help |
| 06:42.20 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: no, I can't ping ANYTHING, and a TCP/ICMP sweap from another box on that subnet dosen't even see the problem box. I know the NIC and cable work under M$ |
| 06:42.36 | DaBlade | YouCeyE: Recompile the kernel to include the needed drivers? |
| 06:42.36 | YouCeyE | streuner_, hehe.. i ask in both the places.. but i use debian.. |
| 06:42.37 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: then you prolly set the netmask wrong... |
| 06:42.38 | Truscha | i have this file downloaded debian-31r2-i386-binary-1 and what should i do now |
| 06:42.43 | YouCeyE | just want the fast response |
| 06:42.49 | Truscha | just burn it on dvd |
| 06:42.56 | Seb | Truscha: burn it to a cd/dvd, and boot it |
| 06:43.01 | YouCeyE | DaBlade, i think it is working.. i hear noise in headset.. |
| 06:43.02 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: its not hard to keep the same subnet mask if all your boxes are on the same subnet (255.255.255.0) |
| 06:43.05 | YouCeyE | its recognised and all |
| 06:43.10 | Azar | YouCeyE: that is dumb since ubuntu is not the same as debian |
| 06:43.14 | Seb | Truscha: alternatively, read the instructions that were next to that file |
| 06:43.15 | Truscha | ok aurorun.bat boot this |
| 06:43.17 | DaBlade | Try putting on some music or something |
| 06:43.18 | Azar | when this people gonna understand ? |
| 06:43.20 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: the subnet isn't important at all! |
| 06:43.23 | YouCeyE | just need to make last changes for making this work |
| 06:43.25 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: and that the box won't pull an IP from the DHCP server is causing me concerns. |
| 06:43.26 | Truscha | or is it wrong |
| 06:43.31 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: yet if you had done that, you wouldn't get desitnation unreachable |
| 06:43.34 | DaBlade | YouCeyE: See if you can hear the music here: http://freewebtown.com/dablade/pen.swf |
| 06:43.42 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: IF CANNOT PING THE BOX YOU HAVE A HARDWARE-ISSUE |
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| 06:43.52 | YouCeyE | DaBlade, i played something in amarok.. |
| 06:43.57 | YouCeyE | its going to the other sound card |
| 06:44.02 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: its like the NIC is just not talking to the world. It shows up iunder "ifconfig", but nothing more. Its like its frickin' retarded. |
| 06:44.02 | Angels2 | streuner_: or a freaking firewall :p |
| 06:44.02 | _kadaj_3 | its command is long |
| 06:44.04 | YouCeyE | default one in the pc |
| 06:44.09 | DaBlade | YouCeyE: Disable it in BIOS |
| 06:44.14 | unstable | streuner_, You know why vlc isn't in testing but it's in unstable and stable? |
| 06:44.15 | YouCeyE | Azar, easy.. i know |
| 06:44.16 | streuner_ | Angels2: well :-) |
| 06:44.23 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: as I said, retarded or not, the msg you gave us indicates a network misconfiguration, typically a netmask pb |
| 06:44.23 | YouCeyE | DaBlade, cant i have option to switch: |
| 06:44.27 | YouCeyE | at my will? |
| 06:44.31 | Azar | Jeeves_Moss: streuner told you twice now: YOU HAVE A HARDWARE PROBLEM |
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| 06:44.41 | streuner_ | unstable: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
| 06:44.45 | superlinux | hey shabab! |
| 06:44.48 | YouCeyE | i just want this usb headset for chating |
| 06:44.49 | superlinux | salam! |
| 06:44.49 | evaded | _kadaj_3: But you know now where to get the info if you forget that command |
| 06:44.50 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: if you were not getting ping packets back, this would be different. |
| 06:45.10 | DaBlade | YouCeyE: I really can't help you, sorry. Never used a USB headset before. |
| 06:45.11 | unstable | streuner_, /lastlog vlc , I did. |
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| 06:45.13 | Truscha | salam |
| 06:45.15 | DaBlade | YouCeyE: Try #alsa or ##linux |
| 06:45.17 | unstable | streuner_, I don't understand the webpage though. |
| 06:45.19 | Jeeves_Moss | Azar: thanks again. I was checking to see if there was some way around it. |
| 06:45.25 | TU | JOIN #AMOR |
| 06:45.27 | YouCeyE | thanks DaBlade |
| 06:45.30 | superlinux | I am here to help bigginers |
| 06:45.31 | unstable | streuner_, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 06:45.31 | DaBlade | Anyway, can anyone help me with my problem now? |
| 06:45.35 | Jeeves_Moss | Azar: you don't need to be a dick about it. |
| 06:45.41 | superlinux | Truscha, salam |
| 06:45.41 | DaBlade | Lagging flash sound regardless of browser |
| 06:45.44 | YouCeyE | <Azar> YouCeyE: that is dumb since ubuntu is not the same as debian |
| 06:45.50 | TU | SEXOOOOO |
| 06:45.51 | YouCeyE | Azar, i dont think i am dumb.. |
| 06:45.53 | DaBlade | The sound always comes a second after the playback has started |
| 06:45.57 | Jeeves_Moss | Angel2: Thanks again for your help. |
| 06:46.00 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: honestly i'm not sure about the HW pb if it shows in ifconfig. |
| 06:46.01 | Azar | bots around |
| 06:46.03 | TU | I AM FOLLING WITH YOUUU |
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| 06:46.08 | TU | I LOVE YOUUUU |
| 06:46.12 | DaBlade | which is frustrating when watching videos on sites like youtube and videobomb |
| 06:46.12 | YouCeyE | help if u can.. dont just keep slamming people.. Azar |
| 06:46.12 | unstable | !ops TU is a troll |
| 06:46.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: TU is a troll |
| 06:46.18 | YouCeyE | thanks DaBlade |
| 06:46.22 | evaded | TU: Go away crazy guy!!! |
| 06:46.27 | DaBlade | YouCeyE: No problem. |
| 06:46.35 | DaBlade | But can anyone please help me now? |
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| 06:46.46 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: thats why I thought it wasen't a hardware issue. If it was, it shoulden't show up in the "ifconfig". But there is it witht he corect MAC address, etc, but no IP address, and it won't communicate with the outside world. |
| 06:46.46 | overture2112 | can anyone tell me a very fast way to delete millions of files? i have about 1000 full copies of the linux kernel source and rm -rf has been hammering away at it for the past hour |
| 06:46.51 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: but hey, i'm just a network engineer working in a massively *NIX environment, what do I now ? :> |
| 06:46.51 | superlinux | DaBlade, yes |
| 06:46.52 | superlinux | ask |
| 06:47.02 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: no IP address ???? |
| 06:47.08 | DaBlade | overture2112: AFAIK that's about it |
| 06:47.10 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: dude, you said you gave it a static one |
| 06:47.14 | DaBlade | superlinux: I already did, three times |
| 06:47.21 | DaBlade | superlinux: The sound made by Flash is laggy |
| 06:47.22 | evaded | overture2112: What you have do to have that? |
| 06:47.28 | overture2112 | DaBlade, *sighs* |
| 06:47.29 | tmg1|coffee | overture2112: anything else on that hard drive you need to save? |
| 06:47.35 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: no kidding, I've been to college for electronics engineering. I've tried both static AND DHCP. Nothing works. |
| 06:47.36 | DaBlade | superlinux: Regardless of which browser I use, the sound always comes about a second afterwards |
| 06:47.46 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: somebody made an interesting suggestion too, pray you haven't in your hardware-router not enabled firewall (ping)... |
| 06:47.47 | DaBlade | overture2112: Why would you have 1000 copies of the source code? |
| 06:47.52 | superlinux | then it's a falsh programming issue |
| 06:47.54 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: make up your mind, but don't waste my time. if the IP doesn't show up in ifconfig, then yeah somehow the driver you're using isn't up to par. |
| 06:47.56 | overture2112 | evaded, someone was running a test a long time ago |
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| 06:48.02 | superlinux | nothing we can do |
| 06:48.06 | DaBlade | superlinux? |
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| 06:48.11 | overture2112 | evaded, and now I need to clean it up to free up space |
| 06:48.12 | superlinux | cos it's a closed system |
| 06:48.22 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: so one last time, is this NIC currently set up with a static IP or is it not ? |
| 06:48.25 | Jeeves_Moss | Streuner: Naaa, I don't have an outside connection for this rack currently. I'm trying to keep it clean till we go live with it. |
| 06:48.29 | DaBlade | superlinux: The sound wasn't lagging when I used Gentoo though |
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| 06:48.31 | tmg1|coffee | DaBlade: why wouldn't you have 1000 copies of the source code ;)? |
| 06:48.33 | DaBlade | superlinux: It is on Debian. |
| 06:48.34 | evaded | overture2112: The cmd you give must be work |
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| 06:48.36 | signature16 | in cups for the servername can i just put 127.0.0.1? |
| 06:48.38 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: no, I've currently got it set up for DHCP. |
| 06:48.42 | superlinux | aha |
| 06:48.47 | DaBlade | tmg1|coffee: It just seems weird to me, that's all. |
| 06:48.57 | superlinux | DaBlade, give me the site so I check for you |
| 06:48.59 | Truscha | superlinux: i write to you at privet chan |
| 06:49.06 | superlinux | ok Truscha |
| 06:49.06 | DaBlade | superlinux: Any flash video |
| 06:49.13 | ooev | is there any way i can start a program and assign it to a fixed cpu? on dual cpu system. |
| 06:49.13 | DaBlade | superlinux: Any flash video with sound |
| 06:49.20 | streuner_ | Jeeves_Moss: NO, i mean, CAN YOU configure the Hardware-Router in order to disable pings from outside? |
| 06:49.22 | superlinux | gimme one I don't have |
| 06:49.24 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: well then no shit you can't ping shit if it doesn't have an IP. Jesus. |
| 06:49.29 | ooev | i look it up but only finds api to do that. |
| 06:49.29 | DaBlade | superlinux? |
| 06:49.49 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: The card shows up under Ifconfig, it won't pull an IP address currently when its set on DHCP, and when I try to static it, the card refuses to talk to the outside world as well. |
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| 06:50.12 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: when you static it, as you say, does the IP show up in ifconfig or not ? |
| 06:50.37 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: no, even with /etc/network/interfaces set with a static IP, it dosen't show under ifconfig |
| 06:50.46 | DaBlade | Hmm... I'm completely confused right now, superlinux. |
| 06:50.53 | DaBlade | I don't have a clue what you're talking about. |
| 06:51.01 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: do me a favor: ifconfig eth0 whatver netmask whatever |
| 06:51.12 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: then check if ifconfig shows the whatever IP |
| 06:51.18 | kohinoor | what r the main interface configuration files? |
| 06:51.19 | evaded | overture2112: If you go up an directory an delete the directory that contain all these duplicate sources?? I guess that you have on dir with 1000 sub-dirs |
| 06:51.33 | overture2112 | yea |
| 06:51.39 | Seb | Gnea: got some good weed here |
| 06:51.41 | Jeeves_Moss | seb: ok, one sec, I've rebooted it. Do you want me to static it or leave it as DHCP? |
| 06:51.49 | Gnea | Seb: heh. |
| 06:51.50 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: what did I just say ? |
| 06:51.52 | evaded | overture2112: Pay attention by what you are going to do!!! |
| 06:52.11 | superlinux | DaBlade, don't you want me to help u? |
| 06:52.12 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: just run that one command I gave ya. Replacing the whatevers with IP & netmask. |
| 06:52.18 | evaded | overture2112: Not delete the whole thing of you're computer he ;-) |
| 06:52.25 | superlinux | I need a test case whicch I don't have |
| 06:52.26 | DaBlade | superlinux: Yes, but I don't understand what you mean |
| 06:52.32 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: ok, I'll wait till it boots and see |
| 06:52.45 | DaBlade | superlinux: You want a flash video? |
| 06:52.48 | superlinux | yes |
| 06:52.57 | DaBlade | Alright |
| 06:52.58 | overture2112 | evaded, well it's not like I have permission to overwrite any important files |
| 06:52.59 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: make it quick, i'm outta here in 5... |
| 06:53.12 | Gnea | superlinux: flash video is all over the internet, just find one - video.google.com |
| 06:53.36 | Azar | yep DeBlade, use google |
| 06:53.54 | DaBlade | superlinux: http://www.videobomb.com/posts/show/2121 |
| 06:54.10 | evaded | overture2112: No, what i mean is that i guess that you have one dir 'temp_dir' that contain 1000 subdirs. So simply delete that 'temp_dir' |
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| 06:54.47 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: so ? |
| 06:54.49 | evaded | Some Bush flash movies?? |
| 06:54.55 | overture2112 | evaded, can't delete unempty directories |
| 06:55.02 | Seb | overture2112: rm -fr ... |
| 06:55.10 | evaded | overture2112: rm -r |
| 06:55.11 | DaBlade | evaded: http://freewebtown.com/dablade/pen.swf ;) |
| 06:55.16 | Jeeves_Moss | seb: I used "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.49 255.255.255.0" and got "invalid arugment" |
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| 06:55.28 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: that's cause you can't quite read. Try again. |
| 06:55.34 | Stevie | greetings |
| 06:55.41 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: ifconfig eth0 whatver netmask whatever |
| 06:55.49 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: I don't mean to be rude, but can you type out the command for me please so I can make sure I'm getting it right? |
| 06:56.06 | overture2112 | Seb, I've been running that, its just that its been taking over an hour *grin* |
| 06:56.07 | evaded | ha ha hi hi ... biep that bush :-) |
| 06:56.23 | Jeeves_Moss | seb: nm, I get it now. one sec. |
| 06:56.23 | Seb | overture2112: well yeah, lotsa inodes, lotsa time |
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| 06:56.53 | Stevie | I have a question about unstable (in general) |
| 06:56.58 | Jeeves_Moss | seb: IT LIVES!!!!!!!! <passes you a beer> sorry for being thick skulled! |
| 06:57.05 | Seb | sheesh |
| 06:57.08 | streuner_ | Stevie: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:57.12 | Seb | my fucking god |
| 06:57.20 | Stevie | th/me reads |
| 06:57.20 | Seb | i knew it from the beginning |
| 06:57.22 | gunixu | what's the latest kernel-headers out these days ? |
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| 06:57.24 | unstable | !tell Stevie about ask |
| 06:57.32 | Jeeves_Moss | seb: ok, now what was I doing wrong? |
| 06:57.37 | Seb | how many fucking times did I say network misconfiguration for chrissake ? |
| 06:57.45 | Gnea | Stevie: we know you have a question. just ask it. |
| 06:57.51 | Stevie | unstable: Well, I was *going* to ask, but then someone gave me a generic answer to my generic question :) |
| 06:58.01 | Stevie | I will return once I've read the Sid FAQ |
| 06:58.02 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: you fucked up the static config in .../interfaces. Or you didn't ifdown/ifup after editing it |
| 06:58.03 | Angels2 | *shrug ... how do i get mysql support into apache2 under sarge? |
| 06:58.11 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: ok, ok. I know I'm half drunk right now. |
| 06:58.22 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: good you mention it only now |
| 06:58.24 | Gnea | Angels2: install the mysql module for apache2 |
| 06:58.24 | action09 | Angels2 it's not Debian related but more apache.. |
| 06:58.30 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: otherwise i sure wouldn't have helped you out |
| 06:58.34 | Gnea | action09: wrong. |
| 06:58.42 | action09 | Gnea no |
| 06:58.44 | Angels2 | uhm? |
| 06:58.45 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: believe it or not, O got better things to do than to say things 3 or 4 times |
| 06:58.48 | Seb | og well |
| 06:58.49 | superlinux | DaBlade, I don't have any lag at all |
| 06:58.57 | Seb | weed time now, I earned it |
| 06:59.02 | Jeeves_Moss | Seb: thanks again. I think its time for bed. Its almost 3am, and we just got home from partying in Toronto. So its been a LONG night. |
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| 06:59.07 | superlinux | it seems that there is something in your wires! |
| 06:59.07 | action09 | Gnea you can't make the difference between apache and Debian .. w00w |
| 06:59.25 | Gnea | action09: yes. there is a debian-specific method for installing the mysql support for apache2. |
| 06:59.35 | Gnea | action09: pardon me? you are who? |
| 06:59.36 | gunixu | anyone know the latest kernel-headers package ? |
| 06:59.40 | Seb | Jeeves_Moss: good luck to ya |
| 06:59.52 | superlinux | anybody else...? |
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| 06:59.56 | Seb | see y'all later... |
| 07:00.00 | action09 | Gnea who am i ? you can't read |
| 07:00.09 | streuner_ | gunixu: apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6? |
| 07:00.20 | Gnea | action09: right, you're just a little pissant that no one knows nor cares about, my bad. |
| 07:00.36 | Gnea | Angels2: apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql <-- that should take care of it |
| 07:00.41 | Gnea | oh wait, that's a debian answer |
| 07:00.42 | Gnea | HA |
| 07:00.46 | superlinux | Truscha, I think you needed somthing |
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| 07:00.59 | Gnea | Azar: you want 'em? be my guest :) |
| 07:01.03 | Azar | what they have against you Gnea? |
| 07:01.11 | Azar | nooooo noooooo thank you |
| 07:01.24 | Gnea | Azar: i have no friggin' clue |
| 07:01.32 | evaded | DaBlade: 1000x thanks for that movie. I need to show it on some people that had not listen to my when it was viewing at live some things on TV and what i had heard of some people that was speaking live and that i never again have view it on tv, cutted |
| 07:01.43 | action09 | Gnea it's just my opinion.. i don't want a war :) sorry o answer like that but i don"t agree with you , that's all.. cool man.. i don't want to have such an answer from you like this: "Who are you.." and you who are you to ask me who am i ? |
| 07:01.58 | action09 | Gnea i 'm just thinking that's an apache configuration problem.. |
| 07:02.03 | DaBlade | evaded: I got two better ones. |
| 07:02.10 | DaBlade | evaded: Here's one: |
| 07:02.17 | evaded | :-) |
| 07:02.19 | DaBlade | evaded: http://www.videobomb.com/posts/show/1084 |
| 07:02.20 | superlinux | DaBlade, it's a nice presentaion you gave me |
| 07:02.31 | DaBlade | evaded: And here's the other: http://revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv |
| 07:02.41 | DaBlade | Both of the above are full length movies about 911 |
| 07:02.47 | DaBlade | superlinux: No problem |
| 07:02.55 | DaBlade | superlinux: anyway, can you help me get the sound to not lag? |
| 07:02.57 | action09 | Gnea little pissant ? insults? because i don't agree ? great nice reaction/behavior |
| 07:02.57 | superlinux | it's of meaning |
| 07:03.04 | Azar | movie night in #debian? |
| 07:03.07 | DaBlade | It's annoying when you see a guy talking then one second later comes the sound |
| 07:03.14 | superlinux | well you have to regulate the buffering |
| 07:03.17 | streuner_ | Azar: hehe :-) |
| 07:03.22 | DaBlade | superlinux: Which I do how? |
| 07:03.36 | DaBlade | (I think the main problem is that flash doesn't output to Alsa, but to OSS I think) |
| 07:03.45 | Stevie | Azar: yeahh... I'm gonna need you to come in on saturday.... so if you could do that, that would be greeeeeat. |
| 07:03.46 | Gnea | action09: i'm a dedicated debian user and aid to people in here, that's who i am. rather than blindly assume that the problem is directly related to apache itself, perhaps you should learn how debian *really* works before assuming that you know everything. I really don't care if you agree or not, just know that you are in the wrong, and I have already proven that. Now, please stop trolling your offtopicness. |
| 07:04.03 | action09 | Gnea anyway is it this one you're talking about libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 07:04.09 | streuner_ | Azar: most of them don't need that anymore ;-) |
| 07:04.25 | Azar | sigh I work on saturdays |
| 07:04.35 | Stevie | well then that's greeeeaaaat. |
| 07:04.35 | shogunx | DaBlade seen Loose Change yet? |
| 07:04.45 | DaBlade | shogunx: Got it on DVD. |
| 07:04.50 | Stevie | By the way, I'm gonna have to take that stapler. |
| 07:04.50 | DaBlade | Second edition |
| 07:04.58 | DaBlade | shogunx: I also know a friend of Dylan Avery. :) |
| 07:05.03 | Stevie | so anyway |
| 07:05.12 | superlinux | DaBlade, how fast is your internet? |
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| 07:05.28 | DaBlade | 3mb down, 300kb up |
| 07:06.07 | shogunx | DaBlade, that film really calls it out. impeachment is forthcoming, via illinois, california, and vermont:) |
| 07:06.19 | DaBlade | shogunx: I know |
| 07:06.19 | superlinux | DaBlade, i have less than you do and I have no lags at all |
| 07:06.32 | superlinux | and I am a debian sarge user |
| 07:06.45 | Stevie | There is a package (drip) in unstable that depends on another package (libdps1) that only exists in stable. How would an experienced sid user handle such a conundrum? |
| 07:06.51 | evaded | He, normally i have 5mbps down and 196 up. My isp have do an free upgrade. I have now 10mbsp down and 256bps. I hope some things changes in other lands |
| 07:06.52 | action09 | Gnea no more insults? way back ? thanks for your great Debian assistance to this user.. i think he will have a nicer Debian understanding now.. if he can't do a command like : "apt-cache search mysql apache2" that's the help you're giving him.. and you jsut prove that you answer to this question.. anyway don't tell me to stop trolling |
| 07:06.53 | DaBlade | superlinux: Even local flash movies lag |
| 07:07.08 | DaBlade | superlinux: It's not the connection, but something about how Macromedia's flash handles sound |
| 07:07.11 | cp2 | i've installed vbox on my machine it works but i cant't play the received messages. i got everytime the message access denied |
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| 07:07.23 | Gnea | !troll action09 |
| 07:07.30 | Gnea | action09: consider yourself ignored now. |
| 07:07.34 | action09 | Gnea i don't like people like you insulting me about 2 phrases, when i say no to your answer |
| 07:07.35 | cahoot | DaBlade: no esd interfering? |
| 07:07.44 | action09 | Gnea same here |
| 07:07.46 | action09 | cya |
| 07:07.47 | DaBlade | AFAIK esound isn't even installed |
| 07:07.47 | superlinux | DaBlade, what are you using ALSA or oss? |
| 07:07.50 | evaded | DaBlade: There are 2 plugins i think. Which one use you? |
| 07:07.51 | unstable | Stevie, An experienced user would check the bts, and then check the ftp master's new queue...and if the package isn't in the bts or on the new queue, they would file a bug report with the bts. |
| 07:07.52 | DaBlade | ALSA |
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| 07:07.57 | gozz | evaded: you still here? |
| 07:08.02 | DaBlade | evaded: Macromedia's flash |
| 07:08.03 | evaded | gozz: Yes |
| 07:08.04 | Gnea | action09: no one likes a bad attitude, later. |
| 07:08.04 | superlinux | switch to oss through |
| 07:08.10 | superlinux | Kcontrol |
| 07:08.21 | cp2 | how can i set the vbox user password |
| 07:08.33 | Stevie | Gnea: His attitude I can tolerate, it's his totally broken English I can't stand |
| 07:08.46 | gozz | for $15 i can get gozz.net |
| 07:08.55 | Stevie | "and you just prove that you answer to this question" |
| 07:09.09 | evaded | brr flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree are not installed, but flash movies been runs, and good :-/ |
| 07:09.24 | gozz | but i know it is already taken |
| 07:09.26 | evaded | How come that? |
| 07:09.32 | Gnea | Stevie: it's okay, he's just a whiney punk who thinks he's the shit cuz he knows how to sniff network traffic |
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| 07:09.39 | Stevie | evaded: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh |
| 07:10.05 | Stevie | evaded: what are you trying to do to me? |
| 07:10.08 | evaded | Stevie: No one of the 2 are installed :-/ And it play :-/ |
| 07:10.23 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 07:10.24 | evaded | Stevie: How so? |
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| 07:10.38 | Stevie | evaded: lemme check |
| 07:10.44 | Stevie | ah, I found your problem |
| 07:10.48 | Stevie | Your hovercraft is full of eels |
| 07:11.00 | sharpy_ | "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" <--what do I need to apt-get? |
| 07:11.09 | Stevie | something that ends in -dev |
| 07:11.16 | Stevie | what are you trying to compile? |
| 07:11.31 | sharpy_ | moodin theme splash from Kdelook.org |
| 07:11.41 | evaded | Stevie: Talk you to me? |
| 07:11.41 | Stevie | possibly libx11-dev |
| 07:11.58 | Stevie | evaded: The eagle flies at midnight |
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| 07:12.19 | DaBlade | evaded: Are you using Firefox? |
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| 07:12.26 | evaded | Stevie: It's 09:14 AM here :-p |
| 07:12.32 | cp2 | is here anyone who can tell me how i can set the vbox user password |
| 07:12.35 | evaded | DaBlade: Yes |
| 07:12.37 | Stevie | then nine hours late you are |
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| 07:12.50 | DaBlade | evaded: It grabs Flash automatically when it needs |
| 07:13.02 | evaded | DaBlade: hhhmm ;-) |
| 07:13.02 | DaBlade | Well...semi-automatically.. you have to accept the license first |
| 07:13.10 | Stevie | DaBlade: that wooshing sound was the joke going over your head |
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| 07:13.23 | evaded | DaBlade: And work that not fine by you with Alsa? |
| 07:13.28 | Stevie | haha |
| 07:13.43 | DaBlade | I feel that I just made a fool out of myself somehow. :) |
| 07:14.01 | Stevie | ;) |
| 07:14.32 | DaBlade | I tried using the aoss wrapper, but it doesn't help. |
| 07:14.40 | evaded | Stevie: American?? My translator ... |
| 07:14.43 | Stevie | mmm exican! |
| 07:14.51 | action09 | Gnea is definitively a peopple who insult |
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| 07:14.58 | action09 | <Gnea> your attitude continues to suck ass, please stop pming me. |
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| 07:15.15 | superlinux | DaBlade, I think I found the solution |
| 07:15.20 | action09 | thx Gnea iwas just hoping you where a human.. thanks for the 'little pisant' |
| 07:15.24 | action09 | insults |
| 07:15.26 | superlinux | don't do it toe to toe |
| 07:15.36 | stallaone | hi guys, no debian package for RealPlayer? |
| 07:15.37 | Gnea | !ops action09 is trolling and offtopic |
| 07:15.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: action09 is trolling and offtopic |
| 07:15.37 | superlinux | let some time of buffering |
| 07:15.43 | Stevie | DaBlade: Now you see who evaded's style of talking is based on |
| 07:15.48 | action09 | !ops Gnea insults |
| 07:15.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Gnea insults |
| 07:16.00 | Stevie | !stfu everybody |
| 07:16.01 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP everybody! |
| 07:16.09 | evaded | Stevie: Are you good? I mean in you're head?? |
| 07:16.21 | Boukensya | hey guys. I have a mail server with quite a few users. I need some antivirus software to 1. scan files and clean infected files and 2. scan email what is available to use that isn't outragous (like f-prot) |
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| 07:16.52 | evaded | Boukensya: clamav? |
| 07:16.54 | Boukensya | at the moment clamav is on there, and it just tells where viruses are, doesn't clean, it leaves me to delete them myslef |
| 07:16.59 | sharpy_ | "checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system." |
| 07:17.41 | sharpy_ | Stevie, what do u think i need now? |
| 07:17.48 | Gnea | Boukensya: right, in order to clean/quarantine, you need to write your own script that does just that |
| 07:18.01 | stallaone | i go to cbsnews to download Realplayer10 for linux and install it but i still cannot view cbsnews streaming video with firefox. anyone can help? |
| 07:18.05 | sharpy_ | hello Gnea and superlinux |
| 07:18.07 | Stevie | sharpy: zlib1g-dev |
| 07:18.12 | evaded | Boukensya: I guess that clamav are save in the sence that he not delete file without you're permission. I think you can config it to automatically delete the infected file, i guess taht |
| 07:18.17 | superlinux | sharpy_, hi |
| 07:18.17 | Gnea | sharpy_: good evening |
| 07:18.17 | Boukensya | Gnea: is there free scripts out there |
| 07:18.29 | superlinux | keefu is evrything ok? |
| 07:18.44 | Gnea | Boukensya: you'd have to google for them. i started writing some, but never was able to finish. |
| 07:18.45 | Boukensya | what about automatically clean, because it can't just delete a whole mailbox folder |
| 07:19.10 | sharpy_ | Stevie, E: Couldn't find package zliblg-dev |
| 07:19.11 | evaded | Boukensya: Yes, you're right and i'm wrong |
| 07:19.22 | Boukensya | does clamav scan mail as well? (incoming and outgoing) |
| 07:19.29 | SlayerXP | Boukensya: it can. |
| 07:19.56 | Boukensya | hmm... gotta go look for scripts |
| 07:20.01 | cp2 | is here anyone who can tell me how i can set the vbox user password |
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| 07:20.10 | Gnea | Boukensya: cleaning isn't exactly a precise science - it would need to know how the file went together in the first place in order to remove the infected bytes |
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| 07:20.52 | Boukensya | well what other options do I have besides clamav, f-prot, and f-secure ?? |
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| 07:21.25 | Gnea | your talent for writing decent shell and perl scripts |
| 07:21.40 | Boukensya | yeah, I don't have that talent |
| 07:21.48 | Gnea | you get what you pay for. :) |
| 07:22.25 | Stevie | The usual solution for 'cleaning' is to just delete the offending file. |
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| 07:23.38 | evaded | Boukensya: Or write it in Python. Really easy |
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| 07:25.56 | Boukensya | hmmmm.. |
| 07:26.30 | gunixu | howdy all |
| 07:27.29 | gunixu | i've just unpacked kernel-headers-2.2.25-3.i386 however i'm still receiving Failed dependencies: when trying to unpack glibvc-devel |
| 07:27.30 | gunixu | any ideas/ ? |
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| 07:29.13 | evaded | gunixu: Is taht not an very old header package? |
| 07:29.23 | superlinux | sharpy_, did you open the video I gave u? |
| 07:29.54 | sharpy_ | superlinux, what video? |
| 07:30.28 | superlinux | http://www.videobomb.com/posts/show/1971 open this and get astonished |
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| 07:34.03 | Gnea | superlinux: it's nothing new |
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| 07:34.30 | superlinux | aha |
| 07:34.50 | streuner_ | Azar: still around? |
| 07:34.51 | superlinux | I have animal planet but idont watch it s much |
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| 07:37.47 | evaded | superlinux: You need to watch it a bit more ;-) |
| 07:37.55 | Gnea | superlinux: think terrorism is bad? this is worse: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8884810064073990123 |
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| 07:38.10 | mentor | UGH |
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| 07:38.42 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 07:39.40 | torc | How do I leave 2GB of free space at the end of the drive when specifying new partition size? Does partman support negative sizes? Like -2GB? |
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| 07:40.30 | sharpy_ | "checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail." |
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| 07:49.18 | fireba11 | ah .. netsplits in the morgning :-) |
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| 07:49.19 | Angels2 | \o/ |
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| 07:52.19 | unstable | !sleep |
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| 07:52.23 | dpkg | it has been said that sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
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| 07:52.40 | shogunx | !test |
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| 07:52.42 | AlienX | whoah, crazy netsplit |
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| 07:52.47 | liable | hola |
| 07:52.47 | AlienX | Gnea, sounds kinky heh |
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| 07:55.02 | cklaus | hey all.. anybody knows a good way to debug, why a pam-authentication fails ? (want to do auth in apache via mod_auth_pam, but it always fails.. the login data i use definitely is correct and working in shell and ssh for example) |
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| 07:55.32 | cklaus | messages in /var/log/auth.log simply say that the auth failed.. but i got no idea why.. |
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| 07:56.38 | AlienX | damn, check out internetpulse.com |
| 07:56.42 | gozz | how do i find out if i have sarge or 3.0 or 3.1 ect.. |
| 07:56.45 | sep | cklaus, usualy you can add debug as a parameter to the pam module to get additional debug in auth.log |
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| 07:56.53 | sep | cklaus, read the doc for the pam module you use |
| 07:57.05 | sep | gozz, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:57.31 | cklaus | sep, thats why i did.. but sadly no additional output shows up in auth.log.. ( i added debug and audit to pam_unix.so ) |
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| 07:57.55 | cklaus | i mean "what i did".. not "why i did" |
| 07:57.57 | sep | level3 on drugs _again_ |
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| 07:58.06 | gozz | sep: thanks |
| 07:58.07 | Gnea | yup |
| 07:58.14 | Gnea | sep: i saw that too |
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| 07:58.20 | AlienX | sep, and i'm one of those lucky people who happens to have level 3 as my ISP :( |
| 07:58.31 | cklaus | what they're doing again ? ;) |
| 07:58.33 | sep | AlienX, you have our sympathy :) |
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| 07:58.38 | AlienX | sep, heh |
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| 07:58.49 | Gnea | they're bending the internet over and giving it a good ream |
| 07:58.51 | sep | cklaus, drugs :9 |
| 07:59.04 | AlienX | level3 sucks... |
| 07:59.11 | Gnea | agreed. |
| 07:59.20 | cklaus | ,) |
| 07:59.25 | AlienX | when they were fighting with cogent it was miserable |
| 07:59.34 | Gnea | and cox communications needs to find a new backend provider. |
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| 07:59.47 | peterS | surely someone as big as cox is multi-homed? |
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| 07:59.56 | Gnea | you'd think... but it ain't so |
| 08:00.08 | AlienX | it's cheaper if you stick with one isp |
| 08:00.14 | AlienX | you get deals |
| 08:00.15 | Gnea | typically. |
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| 08:00.35 | Gnea | but people are switching from cable to dsl to cable to dsl all over the place this week |
| 08:00.48 | wimp | tkxue@tongke:~$ ooffice |
| 08:00.50 | wimp | OpenOffice.org for Debian - see /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz |
| 08:00.52 | wimp | running openoffice.org setup... |
| 08:00.54 | wimp | Setup complete. Running openoffice.org... |
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| 08:00.56 | wimp | then it freezes |
| 08:01.00 | wimp | and nothing laods up |
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| 08:01.02 | wimp | anyone kno whwy? |
| 08:01.07 | Gnea | wimp: try again |
| 08:01.11 | superlinux | Gnea, how can I force the macromedia player be slower to play the file than to buffer it? |
| 08:01.25 | wimp | when I type ooffice; nothing shows up |
| 08:01.27 | wimp | no window pops up |
| 08:01.30 | wimp | it just hangs there |
| 08:01.32 | Gnea | superlinux: that particular one is fast on purpose, you can't slow it down |
| 08:01.47 | Gnea | wimp: how long do you wait? |
| 08:01.54 | wimp | minutes |
| 08:02.01 | wimp | 1-2 minutes |
| 08:02.04 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 08:02.06 | Gnea | level3 fixed! |
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| 08:02.15 | wimp | this is an Athlon 1700 with 1GB of RAM |
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| 08:02.17 | wimp | should be enouhg right? |
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| 08:02.50 | Gnea | wow. |
| 08:02.56 | Gnea | less than 15 minutes. impressive. |
| 08:03.25 | wimp | huh? |
| 08:03.27 | wimp | I'm confused |
| 08:03.45 | Gnea | level3 just had a network outage |
| 08:03.52 | Gnea | and now it's fixed |
| 08:03.57 | AlienX | Gnea, sweet! |
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| 08:04.11 | Gnea | AlienX: yeah, check your end, could still be some pockets |
| 08:04.17 | AlienX | i was confused why my connection dropped :\ |
| 08:04.35 | Gnea | so was i until i looked at it from a few different endpoints :) |
| 08:04.50 | AlienX | internetpulse is still saying it's bad and everything is slow so i guess i'll just have to sit around and wait |
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| 08:07.13 | tarzeau_ | is it possible vlock doesn't handle nis users auth? |
| 08:07.31 | tarzeau_ | !popcon |
| 08:07.32 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:08.21 | Gnea | AlienX: weird.... |
| 08:08.50 | nse | i recently copied my system from the master hd to the slave hd, and when i setup the bios to boot ide-1 the grub list don't load, what can be wrong? |
| 08:09.16 | lehel | hello.. i got a router [staticIP], how do i configure my interfaces to have access from extern to my deb server? |
| 08:09.22 | nse | i copied all the files with cp -ax |
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| 08:09.59 | sep | nse, did you install grub at all on the new harddrive ? |
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| 08:10.56 | myren | dear gcc: please stop segfaulting, you're making a fool of yourself |
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| 08:11.18 | nse | sep: no, becouse i copied all the files, grub should have gone with them.. |
| 08:11.32 | sep | nse, grub is on the MBR of the harddrive and you can't copy that with cp you need to mount up your slave and do grub-install --root=/mnt/slavedriveroot /dev/slavedrive |
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| 08:11.43 | Error_X | Hi, how can I do the ntfs mounted directories readable for other users than root? |
| 08:11.49 | sep | nse, the grub files yes, but not the grub bootloader installed in the MBR |
| 08:12.15 | Gnea | AlienX: it looks like philly's got some nasty weather affecting all sorts of shit |
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| 08:12.41 | nse | sep: yes i understand now! thank you |
| 08:12.43 | AlienX | gotta love it :-\ |
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| 08:13.39 | nse | sep: was my english correct here "grub should have gone with them"? |
| 08:13.53 | sep | nse, have no idea. i dont speak native english either |
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| 08:14.38 | sep | nse, you are ofcourse aware that you must modify the grub config and the fstab file if you areto run it as a slave drive |
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| 08:15.00 | sep | nse, or use grub's drive swap |
| 08:15.03 | nse | sep: yes this part is done |
| 08:15.24 | nse | sep: swap, you mean map |
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| 08:15.55 | Gnea | AlienX: frost! :/ |
| 08:16.17 | kohinoor | how can i add interface configuration permanently to /etc/network/interface file? |
| 08:16.20 | Gnea | yup, snow'll knock out communications, i've seen it happen |
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| 08:16.56 | nse | sep: why i can't copy the data on the MBR? |
| 08:17.14 | AlienX | Gnea, you're telling me that frost is taking down an entire network? |
| 08:17.16 | AlienX | heh |
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| 08:18.08 | Gnea | AlienX: that is correct. |
| 08:18.14 | AlienX | wow, that's sad |
| 08:18.22 | AlienX | Gnea, where are you getting this info? |
| 08:18.36 | Gnea | AlienX: everywhere.... internetpulse+noaa |
| 08:18.45 | Gnea | in fact.... |
| 08:18.54 | sep | nse, you can with dd, but it's no point since it probably is't idetical. ie it would look for the files on the wrong disc |
| 08:18.55 | Gnea | let's check out philly's news |
| 08:19.10 | Gnea | i bet you some bus hit some black ice and crashed into something |
| 08:19.37 | AlienX | Gnea, lol probably or some gang bangers decided to shoot something up ;) |
| 08:19.48 | nse | sep: i am receiving an error when trying to install it with grub-install, The file /new-disk/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. is this a problem in the copied file? |
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| 08:21.05 | liable | nse: you could always re-install grub. |
| 08:21.32 | nse | liable: how? |
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| 08:22.31 | ankur | where can i find OpenSSL SSL/TLS toolkit in debian |
| 08:22.58 | ankur | getting error while installing apache with --enable-ssl option |
| 08:23.41 | peterS | ankur: why are you compiling your own version of apache? |
| 08:23.51 | peterS | ankur: just use debian's, the openssl business comes right along with it |
| 08:23.51 | avtobiff | apache-ssl exists |
| 08:24.12 | Gnea | AlienX: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=4120271 ROFL |
| 08:24.35 | ankur | peterS : i want ot configure apache acc. to my needs thats the sole reason. |
| 08:24.49 | AlienX | Gnea, rofl, that's probably not the issue though |
| 08:24.53 | peterS | ankur: that's why God granted us apache modules, so we can load and unload functionality |
| 08:25.22 | Gnea | AlienX: i know :) |
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| 08:25.39 | AlienX | some good drivers in that part of the world with lots of culture ;) |
| 08:25.39 | liable | nse: you can chroot into the disk and do it with apt |
| 08:25.52 | ankur | peterS : i just need to mention the directory path of OpenSSL SSL/TLS toolkit to configure script please |
| 08:26.10 | sep | nse, well cuold be compare permissions and flags with the old one. and i usualy copy this with dd or tar c | tar x |
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| 08:26.25 | stig_ | Hello! |
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| 08:26.48 | peterS | ankur: you won't get very far doing this stuff on debian without learning about searching for packages |
| 08:26.48 | stig_ | Hello! |
| 08:26.52 | nse | liable: great! i didn't knew about that command |
| 08:26.55 | snorks | Hello! |
| 08:27.02 | peterS | ankur: as a random example, if I were to type 'apt-cache search openssl development', do you know what I would get? |
| 08:27.04 | snorks | Ahh. this is the correct one. I screwed up royally |
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| 08:27.14 | snorks | test |
| 08:27.15 | snorks | Great |
| 08:29.58 | snorks | I have a question. In real life scenarios, businesses with around 130 users, would you use (x)inetd or standalone for web+ftp? Take into account outsiders who visit the website. It's a fictional business that does design |
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| 08:30.20 | snorks | I'm still at school and have no job hands-on experience |
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| 08:30.51 | peterS | snorks: vsftpd and apache run so well standalone that there's little point in using inetd for them |
| 08:30.51 | nse | chroot is not working.. |
| 08:31.02 | snorks | peterS: Great. I use proftpd though, but it runs smooth too, aye? |
| 08:31.30 | peterS | I suppose. I stopped trusting proftpd after the fifth or sixth security hole, which was a lot of years ago, so I don't know much about it anymore |
| 08:31.36 | liable | nse: how isnt it working? you have mounted the drive first? |
| 08:31.48 | snorks | I thought proftp was awesome? |
| 08:31.54 | peterS | maybe it is |
| 08:32.00 | AlienX | i think proftp is pretty good |
| 08:32.02 | peterS | vsftpd is something I'll trust though |
| 08:32.03 | AlienX | as i use it |
| 08:32.29 | nse | liable: gotcha! i forgot about the mount |
| 08:32.30 | snorks | peterS: the config file is vsftp'ish or follows same apache'ish layout that proftp does? |
| 08:32.31 | AlienX | peterS, kernel.org was running on proftp for a while :) |
| 08:32.58 | snorks | peterS: the config file for vsftp I mean |
| 08:33.00 | peterS | AlienX: kernel.org was also running open NFS and SMB servers for awhile. I saw no point in it but there you go |
| 08:33.09 | AlienX | heh |
| 08:33.35 | peterS | I mean, maybe it was convenient for *somebody* *somewhere* to get their mirroring in on those protocols, but I can't imagine who or why |
| 08:33.47 | peterS | it felt to me very much like a "just because we *can*" thing |
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| 08:34.41 | snorks | Sorry to bug you, peterS, but does vsftps configfile look like apache/proftds'? |
| 08:34.51 | snorks | I have never used it |
| 08:35.19 | peterS | snorks: not really, it looks a bit like postfix main.cf |
| 08:35.32 | superlinux | bye all |
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| 08:36.03 | lehel | peterS: could u help me out with configuring interfaces? my debian [10.0.0.200] is connected to a router [extern_ip], how would i be able to connect from outside to my debian? |
| 08:36.06 | fluxdude | how do I do a case insensitive search in syslog-ng with filter something { match("someregex"); }; |
| 08:36.22 | dorel_ | where can i find lspci? |
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| 08:36.32 | peterS | lehel: ask your "router" vendor about "opening ports" or "forwarding ports" |
| 08:36.36 | peterS | dorel_: pciutils |
| 08:36.44 | gunixu | why is it when i unpack ncurses and search for the ncurses header file i can't located it in /usr/include ? |
| 08:36.46 | gunixu | any idea's ? |
| 08:36.51 | dorel_ | thanks |
| 08:36.56 | peterS | gunixu: what OS are you using? |
| 08:36.59 | _rene_ | because you didn't take the -dev package? |
| 08:37.05 | peterS | gunixu: chances are they have a support channel other than #debian |
| 08:37.07 | gunixu | even though i have no dramas unpacking ncurses-5.4.3 |
| 08:37.36 | gunixu | peterS: no one is alive in #rh it's dead as a door mate. if i didn't have to use this OS i wouldn't |
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| 08:38.02 | gunixu | however i am, so if you can provide some suggestions that would be excellent. |
| 08:38.07 | gunixu | if not i'll continue to google it. |
| 08:38.08 | peterS | gunixu: let me give you the debian answer. stop unpacking random tarballs and just install 'libncurses5-dev' |
| 08:38.27 | gunixu | peterS: now that turns me on, i love answers like that :P |
| 08:38.28 | gunixu | thankyou. |
| 08:38.40 | snorks | peterS: thanks for your help :) |
| 08:38.45 | snorks | AlienX: thanks for your help :) |
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| 08:39.20 | nse | liable: yes now it is re-installed but grub-install still not working, complains that /dev/hdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 08:39.57 | nse | liable: do i have to do grub-install or the apt-get install was sufficient? |
| 08:40.21 | piyush_patel | Is there any command line tool like Network Setting in debian? |
| 08:40.27 | debian | vi |
| 08:40.39 | debian | sorry couldn't resist |
| 08:40.47 | peterS | nse: edit /boot/grub/device.map if necessary, to tell it what bios drive number corresponds to /dev/hdb |
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| 08:41.02 | liable | nse: check you device.map and try 'grub' |
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| 08:41.20 | jethro | !annoy liable |
| 08:41.27 | jethro | :( |
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| 08:41.31 | liable | @annoy jethro |
| 08:41.32 | ravenbird | jethro: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 08:41.36 | jethro | hey liable |
| 08:41.42 | liable | hi |
| 08:41.47 | debian | piyush_patel: if you wanna do it by hand you can 'man 5 interfaces' for details |
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| 08:42.16 | peterS | hmmm, I wonder whatever happened with matt domsch's driver for that one bios extension to query this exact thing - what was it called |
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| 08:43.05 | snorks | could someone message me the windows xp boot section in grub.conf? I don't have X and lynx is just plz |
| 08:43.34 | nse | liable, peterS: grub-install works! thank you, i will reboot the system now to see if it really works |
| 08:45.19 | piyush_patel | debian : I suppose there is no way to do it automatically right? |
| 08:46.48 | Edward_TLS | piyush_patel, ifconfig > |
| 08:46.49 | Edward_TLS | ?//// |
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| 08:47.12 | sep | piyush_patel, dont trust a automatic tool to get your network settings right. just edit the interfaces file. read man interfaces as easy as falling of a chair |
| 08:48.09 | sep | peterS, dont hurt yourself now :) |
| 08:48.11 | piyush_patel | sep: My application needs it |
| 08:48.25 | peterS | sep: it's a carpeted floor, I wouldn't have tried this stunt on concrete |
| 08:48.31 | sep | peterS, :) |
| 08:48.40 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 08:48.56 | sep | piyush_patel, you make a aplication that fiddles with network settings in runtime ? your clearly insane, but ifconfig does it. :) |
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| 08:49.50 | snorks | Using debian for apache/proftpd in a windows2k3server environment (running as DC and Prim DNS), is there any benefits of signing the linux box into the domain? And if so, is it hard? |
| 08:50.16 | piyush_patel | sep: i want it updated when next time i boot it up |
| 08:50.33 | piyush_patel | sep: and ifconfig don't do it permanently |
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| 08:50.57 | sep | piyush_patel, edit interfaces file + ifdown + ifup |
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| 08:51.21 | sep | piyush_patel, if you want it permananet. there are more tools for twiddeling textfiles in linux then i have fingers and toes so it should be no problem |
| 08:51.29 | snorks | There's so little activity here today :( What time is it in the USA? |
| 08:51.46 | sep | snorks, who cares it's on the other side of the planet |
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| 08:51.58 | sep | from mpov :) |
| 08:51.59 | peterS | snorks: it's 1:51 at one end of the US, 4:51 at the other end |
| 08:52.05 | Angels2 | ^^ |
| 08:52.09 | snorks | oh, no wonder then :) |
| 08:52.15 | snorks | in the AM you mean peterS ? |
| 08:52.17 | peterS | yes |
| 08:52.22 | snorks | Ok |
| 08:52.29 | Angels2 | 10:51am for CET |
| 08:52.38 | snorks | Yep |
| 08:52.49 | Truscha | hello i am a beginner. can anybody help me. I need a minimal boot cd. where i can find it |
| 08:52.53 | snorks | So... they're sleeping, and I have questions |
| 08:52.58 | Angels2 | Truscha: google |
| 08:53.03 | Truscha | haha |
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| 08:53.14 | liable | Truscha: a rescue cd or install disk? |
| 08:53.15 | sep | !tell Truscha about netinstall |
| 08:53.17 | Angels2 | Truscha: what-about-the-debian-website-looked-there? :P |
| 08:53.22 | Truscha | install disc |
| 08:53.23 | peterS | snorks: being in the domain allows you to offer domain authentication to clients. but I'm pretty sure proftpd doesn't have that capability anyway, and apache may or may not have a module for this (search for 'NTLM', that's what the protocol is called) |
| 08:53.26 | lehel | Truscha: debian.org |
| 08:53.45 | Truscha | i dont know what i should take |
| 08:53.51 | snorks | peterS: ok, what about the linux box acting as backup DNS? |
| 08:54.00 | snorks | peterS: that ever used in real life scenarios? |
| 08:54.02 | Angels2 | Truscha: what type of cpu do you have? |
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| 08:54.17 | Truscha | duron |
| 08:54.18 | Truscha | amd |
| 08:54.22 | tarzeau_ | Justin: what happened to bouncybouncy? |
| 08:54.25 | tarzeau_ | !bouncy |
| 08:54.25 | dpkg | well, bouncy is http://s.bouncybouncy.net or http://s.bouncybouncy.net:8000 or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ look for nvidia* |
| 08:54.29 | sep | peterS, woudnt pam_samba handle that ? |
| 08:54.31 | peterS | snorks: backup DNS is useful if the primary DNS server goes down. but it sounds like in your world, if that happens, your network is already screwed |
| 08:54.32 | Angels2 | Truscha: x86 :) |
| 08:54.34 | piyush_patel | sep : can u name it plz |
| 08:54.48 | snorks | hehe, go AD :p |
| 08:54.48 | Angels2 | peterS: hehe |
| 08:54.52 | peterS | sep: is there such a thing? and would Windows clients use it? |
| 08:54.52 | sep | piyush_patel, man interfaces |
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| 08:55.42 | peterS | sep: last time I looked at this, pam couldn't handle the requirements of NTLM. and for that matter, neither can FTP, whose protocol spec predates it by some years |
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| 08:56.37 | piyush_patel | sep : thanks |
| 08:56.49 | peterS | sep: HTTP, OTOH, at least has a de facto spec for integration with NTLM, thanks to Microsoft proxy web server technology which does this |
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| 08:57.09 | narma | hello, |
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| 08:58.15 | narma | I have just done a 'aptitude upgrade' from debian etch. I have this message "the following packegs have been kept back" and the list of packages given arenot upgraded. why ? |
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| 08:58.50 | peterS | narma: run aptitude interactively, that's the simplest way to find out IME |
| 08:59.08 | narma | what is IME ? |
| 08:59.12 | peterS | in my experience |
| 08:59.21 | stoned | man |
| 08:59.21 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 08:59.28 | peterS | the yellow one |
| 08:59.57 | narma | peterS, interactively, you mean without any arguments with the ncurse interface ? |
| 09:00.03 | peterS | yeah |
| 09:00.10 | stoned | not to point anything out, but for people who go off about !u and !ppl you lot sure seem to like using acronyms like so, imo, ime, and others I can't think of atm(haha) |
| 09:00.12 | stoned | :/ |
| 09:00.20 | stoned | don't mind me, I am stoned and I think too much |
| 09:00.20 | jind | Hi! nfs problem here. I am trying to mount a nfs share on a newly installed debian stable box. It used to be running ubuntu with the nfs and that worked. Now I get this error message: |
| 09:00.23 | jind | mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 09:00.36 | peterS | it takes a bit of time to figure out how it works and how it presents information, but in my humble opinion it's time well spent, you get a lot in return in the long run |
| 09:00.50 | peterS | jind: sounds like you didn't install nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:00.59 | peterS | jind: or, on the client, nfs-common |
| 09:01.11 | stoned | its installed when you installed the server |
| 09:01.12 | nse | which one of the fdisk ids is fat32? |
| 09:01.34 | jind | peterS, I did install it and restart both nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common after mounting the drives which should be shared |
| 09:01.52 | peterS | nse: 0b or 0c, normally |
| 09:02.15 | jind | I notice that there is this program called rpc.nfsd and maybe that is related to my problem? |
| 09:02.16 | stoned | nse, if you use cfdisk it will give you a list |
| 09:02.40 | stoned | !u |
| 09:02.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:02.46 | stoned | :( |
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| 09:02.57 | stoned | !ime |
| 09:02.57 | dpkg | ime is probably in my experience |
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| 09:03.02 | stoned | ahh |
| 09:03.07 | stoned | i gotta go now |
| 09:03.57 | peterS | jind: you can debug this with 'rpcinfo -p', btw. 'rpcinfo -p servername' prints a dump of what the portmapper on the server says about RPC services which are running there |
| 09:03.57 | stoned | conflicting logics, you can't save space by saying 'u' but you can say stuff like ime which half the people in the world have no idea what means to begin with |
| 09:04.10 | stoned | anyway fuck it, what do I care, my life sucks anyway |
| 09:04.15 | peterS | jind: and 'rpcinfo -p' by itself, on the client, says the same, and should list at least the nfs-common ones |
| 09:04.44 | nse | peterS: well c is W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
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| 09:04.51 | peterS | nse: yes |
| 09:05.15 | peterS | nse: so if your BIOS and partition table use LBA, that's what you want to use |
| 09:05.52 | peterS | the distinction between LBA and non-LBA is not only historic but was stupid even when it was current |
| 09:06.43 | peterS | but you'd better match the partition ID to what the BIOS thinks it is doing, or your legacy OSes (and why else would you be using fat32, if not for legacy OSes) will be unhappy |
| 09:06.55 | jind | peterS, I'm new with nfs and this commands here. I see that the same nfs service is running on both computers on the same port. What does this mean in this context? |
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| 09:08.18 | peterS | jind: there are several services which implement NFS. 'nfs' does most of the work, but in order to mount a drive you need 'mountd'. to lock any files, you need 'nlockmgr', and for smooth operation you want 'status' running on both client and server |
| 09:08.46 | peterS | jind: 'portmapper' is required so that clients can find servers in the first place (it tells clients not only which servers are running but what ports they're on) |
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| 09:09.36 | peterS | jind: 'portmapper' is always on UDP 111, the rest can live on any port, though the 'nfs' server often requests port 2049 and thus is a fixed port if 2049 happens to be available when it starts up |
| 09:09.39 | jind | I see that the server does not have a mountd service running |
| 09:09.44 | peterS | jind: mountd |
| 09:09.53 | jind | But on both computers everything else runs |
| 09:09.58 | peterS | errr ... mountd is in 'nfs-kernel-server' |
| 09:10.03 | Angels2 | ^^ |
| 09:10.12 | peterS | and yes, that would be why mount is complaining |
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| 09:10.31 | fatal__ | any suggestions on how to recover from a wiped out /etc/init.d/ ? ... apt-get install --reinstall will respect the "configuration" of removed /etc/init.d/files and will not reinstall them, right? |
| 09:10.58 | sep | fatal__, restore from backups ? |
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| 09:11.28 | jind | nfs-kernel-server has been restarted manually from ssh. So if it still does not run, then there is some problem with the kernel module, right? And a kernel update is recommended? |
| 09:11.28 | fatal__ | sep: probably no backups available (not me who fucked up). |
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| 09:11.50 | peterS | jind: the kernel module implements the 'nfs' service, not the 'mountd' service, that's done in userspace by rpc.mountd. |
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| 09:11.56 | Truscha | what for vers should i download for amd64 |
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| 09:12.07 | peterS | Truscha: version of what? |
| 09:12.15 | Truscha | debian |
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| 09:12.19 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 09:12.19 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 09:12.38 | sep | Truscha, the stable i386 |
| 09:12.41 | jind | peterS, I try to run rpc.mountd then and see if this resolvs the problem |
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| 09:13.02 | peterS | jind: well, '/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start' should include that alraedy |
| 09:13.12 | Truscha | aha |
| 09:13.25 | peterS | jind: it is possible that rpc.mountd is failing to start because of some problem on the server, like an incorrect /etc/exports file |
| 09:13.40 | Truscha | its the same for duron. or not? |
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| 09:14.04 | jind | peterS, alright. Well, it didn't do so here before I ran the command. Not it lists "mountd" as a service on both computers :) |
| 09:14.07 | sep | Truscha, if in doubt use i386 |
| 09:14.23 | jind | However, now there is another errormessage |
| 09:14.25 | peterS | jind: that solves that one. you may or may not have a working nfs setup, but you won't get that 'RPC program not registered' error |
| 09:14.37 | jind | mount: celly:/mnt/maxtor failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 09:14.50 | jind | This one probably is easier to downtrack for me |
| 09:15.34 | peterS | jind: yeah, 'man 5 exports' for the details on permissions and other settings in /etc/exports |
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| 09:18.21 | jind | Bullseye! |
| 09:18.57 | jind | Two errors in my /etc/exports: space between 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (rw,sync) |
| 09:19.32 | jind | And hostname before the mountpoint to be shared (celly:/mnt/maxtor) |
| 09:19.45 | peterS | yeah, those'll do it |
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| 09:20.14 | jind | Thanks a lot peterS! This was really helpful :) |
| 09:20.19 | peterS | no problem |
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| 09:21.17 | ootput | are there any tools that aren't DE-dependent that handle ps gracefully? |
| 09:21.27 | arunkumaran | hi channel |
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| 09:21.38 | ootput | something that isn't too painful to look at? |
| 09:21.39 | arunkumaran | ive download the first cd iso image |
| 09:21.54 | arunkumaran | is it enough to install a basic version of debian |
| 09:22.00 | peterS | ootput: depends on what you mean by 'handle ps'. there is pstotext |
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| 09:22.23 | theturtl | where in the heck is the iptables configuration files :S |
| 09:22.33 | peterS | there are also various and sundry printers you can buy that can handle ps and don't depend on a desktop environment |
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| 09:23.06 | ootput | peterS: view, print |
| 09:23.16 | ootput | arunkumaran: that should be fine |
| 09:23.29 | ootput | arunkumaran: you'd need to be online to retrieve most of the packages that you desire, though |
| 09:23.34 | peterS | ootput: maybe you want old-fashioned 'gv'? |
| 09:23.36 | jind | Is there any gain in performance with a 2.6 kernel over a 2.4 kernel in a server setting? |
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| 09:23.45 | ootput | arunkumaran: so if you anticipate being offline, get the other cds |
| 09:24.08 | peterS | jind: it's a crapshoot, different aspects of performance matter to different servers. some things might be faster, others slower, others about the same |
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| 09:24.40 | peterS | jind: for example, if a server has 16 CPUs, it'll be way faster in 2.6 than in 2.4, especially for networking. but that's a bit uncommon |
| 09:24.40 | jind | Alright. I think I'll just let it be with the default kernel then |
| 09:24.55 | ootput | peterS: I've experienced bugs whilst using gv in the past, bugs that I would've documented had they not been already documented |
| 09:25.17 | jind | This computer is a slow crap computer (celeron 700 with 256MB of sdram) :) |
| 09:25.32 | ootput | jind: it can still compute faster than you can, though ;) |
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| 09:25.45 | peterS | ootput: I tend to use gnome-gv, I guess. it has gnome in the name and uses gnome libraries but I wouldn't say it's dependent on a particular DE, given that I never run gnome itself |
| 09:25.57 | jind | ootput :) |
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| 09:26.33 | ootput | peterS: yeah, i know about gnome-gv. The 'gnome' part served as a deterrent, though :) |
| 09:26.35 | arunkumaran | ootput:i cannot go online |
| 09:26.36 | ootput | i'll give it another shot |
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| 09:26.50 | arunkumaran | ootput:can u tell me the packages available in cd1 |
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| 09:27.13 | ootput | arunkumaran: not off the top of my head, but there's a list somewhere |
| 09:27.15 | fatal__ | sep: for the record... the --force-confmiss option to dpkg will probably be useful for the problem I mentioned earlier.... I'll ask the dude to try it out. |
| 09:27.19 | ootput | wait, isn't cd1 the base-install? |
| 09:27.28 | ootput | so something you absolutely must get? |
| 09:28.08 | arunkumaran | ootput:its the basic one |
| 09:28.21 | arunkumaran | ootput:can u tell me where i can find that list |
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| 09:28.37 | binkzz | hiyas |
| 09:28.51 | binkzz | is there a way I can make a boot cd that will let me boot debian off of my usb drive? |
| 09:28.58 | arunkumaran | ootput:i dont want to get into trouble by trying to install software for which i dont have the cd |
| 09:29.05 | ootput | arunkumaran: I'm not sure. You'd probably get better google results than I would, as I suck at googling |
| 09:29.10 | theturtl | i'm trying to setup port forwarding on this debian box. but i don't see an /etc/iptables folder or any sort of .conf for iptables anywehre :s |
| 09:29.32 | binkzz | theturl: apt-get iptables ? |
| 09:29.56 | peterS | binkzz: if your BIOS supports booting a USB drive, just follow the instructions for doing that directly. if it doesn't, it's not really possible for a CD bootloader to load a kernel from a USB drive, though you can certainly boot a CD kernel and specify the USB drive as your root filesystem |
| 09:30.11 | petemc | theturtl: its best not to make assumptions |
| 09:30.55 | ootput | great, it's only the one package.. either that, or I've pulled in too much gnome shit in the past |
| 09:30.55 | peterS | right (: |
| 09:31.08 | peterS | it certainly pulls in its share of gnome library madness |
| 09:31.11 | binkzz | peterS: my laptop claims the ability to be able to boot from USB, but in practice it just ignores the usb drive on start up |
| 09:31.11 | theturtl | binkzz dpkg -l | grep iptables shows its installed |
| 09:31.11 | theturtl | :D |
| 09:31.14 | peterS | so you must have at least one gnome app already installed |
| 09:31.42 | ootput | grr, wh do the fonts look so shit |
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| 09:31.55 | ootput | for gnome-gv, and for almost every other interface since last updating sid |
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| 09:32.36 | ootput | are crap fonts hinted at in the channel topic? |
| 09:33.09 | binkzz | peterS: is there an existing kernel CD that I can use or a page explaining how I can make one? |
| 09:33.49 | ootput | binkzz: make a kernel, or make a kernel cd? |
| 09:34.11 | binkzz | a kernel cd |
| 09:34.14 | peterS | binkzz: the problem with most such images is that they're highly modularized, so they need to load modules before you can get to your hard disk (in your case, USB modules) |
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| 09:34.35 | peterS | I mean the kernels on the CDs are that way, and they may or may not load all those modules automatically |
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| 09:35.33 | peterS | you can try a Debian installer CD (the smallest image you can find, I guess, there are several flavors) and boot it with 'linux26 root=/dev/sda1' or whatever, and see what happens. I haven't done this in a long time, but something of that nature is *supposed* to work |
| 09:36.45 | binkzz | I'll try that, thanks; I have a debian install cd here anyway |
| 09:37.22 | arunkumaran | ootput:got de list |
| 09:37.27 | binkzz | windows today decided that for no apparent reason, I didn't need drive D:, so chkdisk deleted everything on it |
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| 09:37.41 | arunkumaran | will the debian installer ask for the packages i want to install |
| 09:37.43 | binkzz | I'll stick with debian this time |
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| 09:38.00 | ootput | binkzz: autonomous |
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| 09:38.30 | binkzz | yes, and amazingly annoying |
| 09:38.45 | Halitherses | what is the package name of openoffice help? |
| 09:39.21 | peterS | Halitherses: what does "apt-cache search openoffice help" say? |
| 09:39.40 | Halitherses | openoffice.org-help-en-gb |
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| 09:40.00 | Halitherses | thanks |
| 09:40.21 | Halitherses | openoffice.org-help-en-gb is already the newest version. |
| 09:40.24 | theturtl | what department of government do i need to talk to to find out where my iptables .conf files have gone? |
| 09:40.28 | Halitherses | hmm? |
| 09:40.36 | peterS | theturtl: I'd try the NSA |
| 09:40.38 | binkzz | theturtl: updatedb/locate ? |
| 09:40.48 | lehel | if i'm correct kde3.5 it is in the unstable branch, right? |
| 09:40.50 | binkzz | find / -name iptables |
| 09:40.54 | theturtl | did find / -iname iptables |
| 09:40.54 | ootput | Homeland Security |
| 09:41.04 | ootput | they have backups of mine, all I need to do is ask |
| 09:41.39 | theturtl | nah seriously tho |
| 09:41.45 | peterS | "If you want to work for the FBI, just pick up the phone, call your mother, and ask them for information" |
| 09:41.45 | theturtl | i'm using sarge |
| 09:41.49 | theturtl | where they at :S |
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| 09:42.06 | theturtl | i just want to make up a SNAT port forward rule here, and have it stick on reboot is all :s |
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| 09:43.24 | peterS | wish I could help you, but I don't use iptables so I've never had to figure out where it stores its state. it used to be kind of ad hoc, I believe, every admin for himself |
| 09:43.27 | fatal__ | theturtl: create a firewall script... make sure it works properly.... add an "up" rule in /etc/network/interfaces .... (see man interfaces) |
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| 09:43.40 | ootput | theturtl: slocate |
| 09:44.24 | fatal__ | theturtl: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING .... <contitions> ... -j SNAT --to-source <ip> |
| 09:44.40 | theturtl | peterS u don't use it? it comes with default install :/ |
| 09:44.55 | peterS | I don't use it |
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| 09:45.12 | peterS | my internal network machines don't need Internet access |
| 09:45.41 | peterS | I do run a debian mirror proxy on the gateway, that's all the Internet the internal machines need |
| 09:46.15 | FabParma | I made a mistake in kde shutdown sutup, does exist a way to reinstall KDE whit the defaul values? Thank You |
| 09:46.20 | theturtl | ok, just weird tho you can be a linux user and never have used iptables |
| 09:46.21 | arunkumaran | hi |
| 09:46.38 | arunkumaran | i goin to install a basic debian onto my system |
| 09:46.47 | arunkumaran | ive got only the first installation cd |
| 09:46.54 | arunkumaran | is it sufficient? |
| 09:46.56 | theturtl | fatal__ thanks, i didn't really understand any of that but ;D |
| 09:47.08 | peterS | theturtl: not weird at all, if you don't do NAT. that's most of what iptables is good for |
| 09:47.09 | arunkumaran | wat r the packages i should choose during installation |
| 09:47.19 | fatal__ | theturtl: there are no conf files for iptables .... you create scripts to add rules with iptables ... |
| 09:47.53 | theturtl | ic fatal__ ya i guess i'm seeing my stupidity now, you just write rules scripts |
| 09:47.56 | fatal__ | theturtl: make sure the work before you add them to your boot process.... so you can recover with a reboot if you fuck up your firewall rules. |
| 09:48.15 | fatal__ | s/the/they/ |
| 09:48.29 | theturtl | i'm just looking to forward one port tho, i want to be able to access ssh on an internal machine |
| 09:48.46 | fatal__ | then you want DNAT |
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| 09:49.27 | fatal__ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i <incomming-on-interface> -p <tcp?> --dport <port?> -j DNAT --to <internal-ip> |
| 09:49.58 | theturtl | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/forwarders.html#PORTFW-VIA-IPTABLES-PREROUTING |
| 09:50.01 | theturtl | voila :) |
| 09:51.00 | FabParma | how to reinstall KDE whit the defaul values? Thank You |
| 09:51.10 | cast_ | anyone where use LaTeX in sarge? is appendix.sty packaged at all? |
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| 09:51.37 | Ronin | arunkumaran: just do a base install arunkumaran then use apt-get to top it up |
| 09:51.42 | fatal__ | FabParma: there's probably a ".kde" in your home directory that contains all configuration your user has done... |
| 09:52.34 | arunkumaran | ronin:i havent got an net conn |
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| 09:52.50 | Ronin | well then you may want to get cd 2 as well |
| 09:53.18 | arunkumaran | ronin:so 1 alone is not enough |
| 09:53.31 | Ronin | arunkumaran: it is but it will be a very basic install |
| 09:53.32 | arunkumaran | ronin:jus need some basic office suite n web browser |
| 09:53.58 | Ronin | why do you need a web browser if that machine has no net? |
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| 09:54.32 | arunkumaran | ronin:by no net imeant i cant download |
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| 09:54.49 | arunkumaran | ronin:jus browsing....gotta monthly cap of 400 mb |
| 09:54.57 | Ronin | arunkumaran: ahh |
| 09:55.11 | binkzz | that sucks |
| 09:55.15 | binkzz | is your internet free? |
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| 09:56.08 | jethro | don't tell anyone my intarweb is free |
| 09:56.24 | binkzz | is it your neighbours wifi? :) |
| 09:56.27 | jethro | yes |
| 09:56.32 | Ronin | arunkumaran: do you know anyone who can get cd 2 for you? disk 1 will work but its a pretty minimal install |
| 09:56.39 | binkzz | they're probably intercepting your credit card details to pay for the connection |
| 09:56.52 | jethro | binkzz: if they can decipher ssh, then yes |
| 09:57.10 | arunkumaran | ronin:can i add onto it |
| 09:57.12 | binkzz | hm |
| 09:57.18 | peterS | jethro: never mind deciphering it, they just play MITM and hope you don't check those certificates very closely. which most people don't. |
| 09:57.18 | binkzz | maybe they're spoofing |
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| 09:57.26 | arunkumaran | ronin:does cd1 have the graphics interface |
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| 09:57.31 | jethro | peterS: I'm a paranoid guy, mitm won't work :p |
| 09:58.25 | jethro | peterS: just out of curiousity, can you perform a mitm attack on a pubkey authenticated ssh ? |
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| 09:58.45 | adii | hello |
| 09:58.52 | peterS | jethro: only if the client doesn't already have the server's valid key cached |
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| 09:59.03 | jethro | peterS: I did it with password based auth, while doing pentests a while ago, but never had the opportunity to try that on a pubkey authentication |
| 09:59.06 | cast_ | and then only if the user is dim |
| 09:59.12 | peterS | jethro: if it doesn't, it displays the server's key fingerprint and says "is this ri |
| 09:59.19 | peterS | ...says "does this look right?" |
| 09:59.24 | jethro | peterS: hmm |
| 09:59.39 | peterS | if it does, and your MITM server key doesn't match, it raises major hell |
| 09:59.43 | FabParma | I made a mistake in kde shutdown sutup, does exist a way to reinstall KDE whit the defaul values? Thank You |
| 10:00.04 | binkzz | FabParma: format drive, reinstall debian, compile KDE from scratch |
| 10:00.27 | binkzz | or use apt |
| 10:00.52 | peterS | jethro: in other words, the ssh server has a key /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key and the client can verify this, if the client has seen it before (you only have to assume no MITM the *first* time you connect, after that you can know for sure) |
| 10:01.02 | adii | prob : since i've installed debian, i cannot install windows anymore. windows (2k or xp) , upon selecting the partition on which to install itself, the installer tells me : there's no partitions okay for windows XP. the disk i selected was free space |
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| 10:01.22 | jethro | peterS: anyhow, if my neighbours leave their AP open to the world, so I doubt they're the kind of people who will perform mitm attacks on ssh :) |
| 10:01.26 | jethro | s/so// |
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| 10:01.40 | peterS | jethro: or you can transmit /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub (the public portion of the server key) by a side channel of your choice (floppy disk, whatever) to the client, to put in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts or ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 10:01.53 | theturtl | hey fatal__ just so i'm positive in /etc/network/interfaces , i would just add up /path/to/script under iface eth0 |
| 10:02.13 | peterS | jethro: heh - if I wanted to perform MITM experiments, I think what I'd do is run an AP open to the world |
| 10:02.19 | jethro | peterS: :] |
| 10:02.43 | jethro | peterS: I'll just pray for my ISP to setup my dsl quick enough then, so I'm no longer at risk :) |
| 10:03.03 | FabParma | binkzz, ... |
| 10:03.20 | jethro | peterS: as I don't feel comfortable abusing my neighbour's ap, but I'm too much in need for internet connectivity to avoid doing it ;) |
| 10:03.20 | peterS | jethro: dude, you can never assume nobody can tamper with your packets on the public internet, even when it's your own DSL connection. you know this. (: |
| 10:03.44 | jethro | peterS: sure, but I will not feel guilty of abusing one's internet if it's my dsl |
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| 10:04.08 | peterS | I mean the department of homeland security has been tapping people's phones lately for the fun of it, maybe they're running DSLAMs-in-the-middle too |
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| 10:04.14 | binkzz | you could probably open an mp3 server and get your neighbour sued by the RIAA |
| 10:04.15 | jethro | true |
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| 10:04.27 | jethro | binkzz: RIAA has no say in france |
| 10:04.31 | adii | how can i fix a failing disk on debian ? is there a program ? |
| 10:04.31 | binkzz | ohh |
| 10:04.33 | jethro | :] |
| 10:04.34 | binkzz | france :) |
| 10:04.44 | binkzz | land of legal DRM raping \o/ |
| 10:04.47 | jethro | heh |
| 10:04.59 | jethro | land of the burning cars, and lazy students |
| 10:05.06 | ootput | does k3b handle dvd copying? |
| 10:05.14 | binkzz | yes, I would think so |
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| 10:05.41 | streuner | land of people who fighting for there rights |
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| 10:05.52 | azeta_ | who manages the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE update on hostname changes? |
| 10:06.06 | binkzz | you got chiraq beat though |
| 10:06.08 | jethro | azeta_: I'd say xauth, but I might be wrong |
| 10:06.08 | binkzz | that was neat |
| 10:06.19 | peterS | jethro: or as the headline on charles krauthammer's recent essay puts it, "Liberté, Egalité, Médiocrité" |
| 10:06.24 | jethro | hah |
| 10:06.39 | azeta_ | jethro. with xauth I can see the changes, but, who does it? |
| 10:06.42 | lehel | adii: Win../DOS HDD Regenerator |
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| 10:07.26 | azeta_ | the X server itself? |
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| 10:07.45 | azeta_ | is there a wrapper or something? |
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| 10:08.14 | jethro | azeta_: I'm inclined to think it's xauth. I don't have an authoritative answer though. |
| 10:08.28 | willwork4foo | hiya... I'm a bit of a Debian n00b (have used various other Linux distros before extensively) - Which of the ISO files do I need to download in order to get a basic system up and running? |
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| 10:08.42 | willwork4foo | I am looking at a website mirror with 14 binary ISOs available |
| 10:08.44 | bliss1_ | hey |
| 10:09.10 | fatal__ | willwork4foo: usually you want to do a netinstall, so only one minimal cd is reqiuired.... |
| 10:09.12 | jethro | willwork4foo: disc1 is enough, or if you have a decent bandwidth, you can use the netinstall image |
| 10:09.20 | willwork4foo | netinstall image? |
| 10:09.21 | willwork4foo | hmm. |
| 10:09.34 | fatal__ | willwork4foo: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 10:09.38 | jethro | !tell willwork4foo -about netinst |
| 10:09.38 | willwork4foo | does that do what I think it does from the name - install everything else from the internet |
| 10:09.42 | willwork4foo | coolio |
| 10:09.45 | jethro | willwork4foo: exactly |
| 10:10.24 | ootput | what's the difference between 'clone' copy and 'normal' copy in k3b? |
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| 10:10.30 | bliss1_ | will someone expain what #4 Software Dependencies: perl + CPAN of this howto means? http://www.phunsites.ch/wp/2006/03/17/installing-vmware-server-on-debian-sarge/ |
| 10:10.31 | willwork4foo | fair enough. |
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| 10:10.45 | willwork4foo | perl + CPAN = headache |
| 10:10.49 | willwork4foo | TRUST me on this one. |
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| 10:11.07 | xored | iam using a IPSEC client to dial into a VPN network in my university. After that iam trying to dial in into my openVPN network at home. If iam not @ the university it works like a sharm. But there, i can connect, get the IP and then cannote ping anybody in the openVPN, no Client/Server( client-2-client active). Normally it works, routing table seems to be ok, some tips ? openVPN runs on a debain sarge stable, connecting with an ubuntu |
| 10:11.07 | xored | client |
| 10:11.17 | litage | if i tar /foo/bar/, how can i make it so that the archive's root is /bar/ rather than /foo/ ? |
| 10:11.32 | bliss1_ | liable: how's X |
| 10:11.42 | lord_rob | Hi ! What's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap ? |
| 10:11.55 | litage | bliss1_: was that for me? |
| 10:11.59 | Sonderblade | how do you do to set UTF8 as the character encoding? |
| 10:12.49 | bliss1_ | litage: might be are you in assie |
| 10:12.55 | lord_rob | Sonderblade: dpkg-reconfigure console-data (i think) |
| 10:13.08 | litage | bliss1_: i'm a canadian in aussieland |
| 10:13.17 | jind | Is there a switch to apt-get to automatically install "recommended" packages as well as the one I want and it's dependencies? |
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| 10:13.50 | bliss1_ | litage: were having trouble with x about a week ago and other stuff |
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| 10:14.12 | bliss1_ | litage: beer+pizza? |
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| 10:14.26 | litage | bliss1_: wasn't me. X's been working great for me |
| 10:14.29 | adii | lehel, is there a debian version of hdd regenerator ? |
| 10:14.54 | fatal__ | litage: (cd /foo && tar c /lala/baba.tar bar/) |
| 10:14.56 | litage | bliss1_: beer+pizza sounds good, but is quite a bad combo nutritionally |
| 10:15.29 | bliss1_ | litage: ok since your here know anything about my above,(yep pizza's ok but beer+ no way |
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| 10:15.55 | fatal__ | litage: sorry, forgot the f: (cd /foo && tar cf /lala/baba.tar bar/) |
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| 10:17.39 | litage | bliss1_: it's saying that you should have the packages "perl" and "perl-modules" installed |
| 10:17.45 | c459s | guys, are there any applications that I can use to monitor the total bandwidth that my computer uses on a monthly basis? |
| 10:18.16 | skrewz | c459s: ``vnstat''. |
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| 10:19.49 | lord_rob | oh I see, cdebootstrap for C, the language it's written in :) |
| 10:20.04 | bliss1_ | litage: yes thats correct i ran make but not make install as per the the instructions a liitle bit a above section 4 how to install these packages is it just going to prompt at that directory and doing what? |
| 10:20.24 | c459s | skrewz: are there any other alternatives? |
| 10:20.32 | lehel | which X server is better? the xorg or the xfree86? |
| 10:21.03 | skrewz | c459s: Well, dno, but I suppose that it should do well. |
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| 10:21.20 | skrewz | c459s: Mostly off the top of my head, anyway. |
| 10:21.20 | jind | lehel, xorg |
| 10:21.58 | litage | bliss1_: i'm not sure what your question is. your last msg wasn't all that clear |
| 10:21.59 | skrewz | lehel: xfree isn't really an alternative with their non-dfsg-compliant license. |
| 10:22.08 | lord_rob | lehel: xfree is dead actually |
| 10:22.25 | lehel | ok |
| 10:23.26 | lord_rob | but if you install sarge, you get a (heavily patched version of) xfree |
| 10:23.34 | c459s | skrewz: ok thanks. The problems is however that vnstat doesnt seem to be available in the amd64 archive. |
| 10:23.34 | litage | fatal__: awesome, thanks. i didn't realize that if you gave relative paths to tar, it wouldn't include the absolute path in the archive |
| 10:23.37 | bliss1_ | litage: the kernel in the howto has not been ibstalled only make has been invoked so how do i install modules in a kernel thats not installed? |
| 10:23.45 | bliss1_ | installed |
| 10:25.35 | bliss1_ | litage: if you read the howto up to point 4 it might be clear |
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| 10:25.50 | skrewz | c459s: That's weird. However, amd64 is fully i386-compatible, so using a such version shouldn't be any problem. |
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| 10:27.29 | argent | how can i print to pdf in OO? i know it can export to pdf, but is there any way to print it as pdf? |
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| 10:28.09 | litage | bliss1_: you don't install modules into a kernel. you either compile a module into a kernel, or you load an LKM (loadable kernel module) into the running kernel |
| 10:28.35 | arunkumaran | hi |
| 10:28.36 | litage | bliss1_: to compile a module into the kernel, the easiest way is to run ``make menuconfig'' from the desired kernel source directory (eg: /usr/src/link/) |
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| 10:29.40 | c459s | skrewz: it appears that I can use mrtg or cacti instead. |
| 10:29.53 | bliss1_ | litage: yes ok but if you lok above point 4 thats been done? |
| 10:29.56 | litage | bliss1_: when you're in the kernel configurator (what you got from running ``make menuconfig''), you'll be able to select what should be an LKM, what should be compiled into the kernel, and what you don't want available |
| 10:30.23 | litage | bliss1_: did you follow the instructions word-for-word to the end of step 3? |
| 10:32.14 | bliss1_ | litage: just a sec |
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| 10:32.59 | fourat | my debian sarge netinstall cd wont detect my hard disk :(, tried expert and linux modes |
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| 10:34.09 | AnAnt | how bad is the debian unstable ? |
| 10:34.28 | bliss1_ | litage:‘make menuconfig’. Just quit ‘menuconfig’ without changeing anything, though answering yes when asked to save the settings. ok done that then i ran make but not make install? |
| 10:34.46 | skrewz | c459s: Well, gl with it. |
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| 10:35.27 | c459s | skrewz: Thanks for your help :) |
| 10:35.45 | litage | bliss1_: that's what the instructions say: "build a new kernel (only ?make? ? not ?make install?)" |
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| 10:36.09 | bliss1_ | litage: so what do i do next? |
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| 10:36.20 | lord_rob | Hi again |
| 10:36.56 | litage | bliss1_: step 4, i would presume :) |
| 10:37.10 | bliss1_ | litage: yes thats what i am asking |
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| 10:38.09 | bliss1_ | litage: how to check thats ok but how to install? |
| 10:38.45 | tarzeau_ | !popcon |
| 10:38.45 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:38.54 | litage | bliss1_: please be more detailed in your questions and statements. i have no idea what you're referring to when you said "how to check thats ok" |
| 10:39.19 | lord_rob | What do I need to do if I want to use a debian kernel (linux-image-2.6.16-686) ? Do I only need to apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-686 and that's it ? |
| 10:39.24 | litage | bliss1_: step 4 instructs you to ensure that the following packages are installed: perl, perl-modules |
| 10:40.02 | xored | !paste |
| 10:40.02 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 10:40.04 | litage | lord_rob: if installation succeeds and you confirmed that your bootloader knows about the new kernel, simply reboot and select the desired kernel |
| 10:40.17 | bliss1_ | litage:ust check for the ‘perl’ and ‘perl-modules’ package and install them if required (vanilla Debian usually has only ‘perl-base’ installed).how to check if there installed and if not how to install them? |
| 10:40.49 | Krassy1809 | lord_rob:yes |
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| 10:42.49 | litage | bliss1_: if you don't know how to do that, i suggest you learn a lot more about Debian before you go any further |
| 10:43.03 | bliss1_ | litage; ok thanks |
| 10:43.09 | wrzask | Any idea how can I configure more than one dummy device? |
| 10:43.10 | wrzask | I need dummy0 and dummy1. |
| 10:43.57 | bliss1_ | litage; i auumed that having alredy ran menuconfig and make the modules would be there |
| 10:43.57 | litage | would someone mind pointing bliss1_ to a tutorial or 2 that will get him into the basics of learning Debian? |
| 10:44.10 | litage | bliss1_: ohhhh i see where you're confused |
| 10:44.34 | litage | bliss1_: the modules mentioned in step 3 are kernel modules. the modules mentioned in step 4 are perl modules. completely separate things. nothing to do with each other |
| 10:45.01 | Krassy1809 | What happening if i delete swap partition and create new in a phisicaly another part of the disk ? Need i do some configurations after ? Will my system boot after this operation ? |
| 10:45.52 | litage | Krassy1809: first, disable the swap partition with the swapoff command. after you've created the new swap partition, you'll have to edit /etc/fstab so that it knows about the new swap partition |
| 10:46.06 | wrzask | Aight, got that. |
| 10:46.30 | litage | Krassy1809: swapon and swapoff will enable and disable a swap partition |
| 10:46.47 | Krassy1809 | thanx |
| 10:47.29 | bliss1_ | litage: ok thanks are perl modules installed in the baisc core? |
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| 10:51.52 | litage | bliss1_: look through chapter 5.1 of this guide. i highly recommend that you read through most parts of it, because you need a basic understanding of linux/debian: http://colt.projectgamma.com/debguide/en/ |
| 10:52.08 | lord_rob | ok. I've switched from my home-built kernel to a debian kernel, but now I have no more sound. Any idea why ? (I have an ibm thinkpad R52, I think the "soundcard" is an intel chip) |
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| 10:53.12 | lord_rob | I'm using linux-image-2.6.16-686 |
| 10:53.30 | lord_rob | Apart from that, everything seems to work |
| 10:53.57 | theturtl | blasted iptables :S |
| 10:54.53 | litage | lord_rob: find out which module your soundcard requires, then check your kernel's config and ``lsmod'' to see if it's installed. if it's not, you can load the module using ``modprobe'' |
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| 10:55.50 | lord_rob | litage: well it's a reported bug. I should have checked google before asking |
| 10:56.33 | theturtl | im trying to forward a port to an internal box using iptables. when i try the connection times out :/ |
| 10:56.38 | litage | lord_rob: glad you found the answer |
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| 10:57.23 | lord_rob | nah litage I've found the question, not the answer ;) |
| 10:57.35 | litage | hah true |
| 10:57.45 | steph__ | Hi , can anyone help a new user to install something please? |
| 10:58.01 | fjnieto | hi. recently i lost my loopback interface in sid. it's a know bug? |
| 10:58.05 | steph__ | (problem with apt) |
| 10:58.14 | cast_ | steph__: probably, ask a question. a real one |
| 10:58.37 | lord_rob | steph__: apt-get install aptitude |
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| 10:58.53 | lord_rob | then use aptitude, it's easier |
| 10:59.24 | cast_ | lord_rob: except the first time, when it tries to uninstall half his system |
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| 11:00.12 | dorel_ | i see the latest gaim even on unstable isnt beta2 |
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| 11:01.08 | steph__ | thanks cast the real question is that I want to install a debian package and the message i get after typing apt-get install jackd , is that is telle that i cannot install it , or if i use the instable distribution , some pakets are not allready created or not gone out of incoming , and that I aske just for one opertation and the paske is not installable |
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| 11:01.22 | steph__ | (traduction live from french lol) |
| 11:01.23 | lord_rob | cast_: aptitude tells you what it's about to do, it's up to you to let it do what it wants. That's a great idea, something microsoft could be inspired of :) |
| 11:02.05 | lord_rob | steph__: there is also #debian-fr just to tell you |
| 11:02.08 | apecat | lol xD http://shelleytherepublican.com/2006/04/linux-european-threat-to-our-computers.html |
| 11:02.12 | cast_ | lord_rob: i like aptitude, it is better than apt-get. but that move from apt-get to aptitude is really annoying :\ |
| 11:02.26 | apecat | oh my god i didn'y think people like that existed |
| 11:02.29 | steph__ | lord ok , thank I try to join too |
| 11:02.52 | threat | hi |
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| 11:03.33 | apenguinlinux | hi |
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| 11:04.02 | apenguinlinux | How can i execute a command inside in vi editor ?? like i want to compile my code in vi editor |
| 11:04.11 | js_ | :!make |
| 11:04.18 | js_ | also, #vim |
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| 11:06.04 | dorel_ | has anyone tried gaimnosd before? |
| 11:06.04 | apenguinlinux | js_, what is the last one |
| 11:06.24 | js_ | apenguinlinux: join the #vim channel |
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| 11:06.44 | bliss1_ | litage: thanks for the reading material and the education |
| 11:06.48 | apenguinlinux | ok |
| 11:07.03 | litage | bliss1_: you're very welcome. enjoy learning linux |
| 11:07.11 | litage | adios folks |
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| 11:07.50 | bliss1_ | litage: well i will -i did mange to get xen going so i have half way there |
| 11:08.22 | Sonderblade | when i change my character encoding by going from ISO-8859-15 to UTF-8 using dpkg-reconfigure locales all non-ascii characters outputted by programs seem to become garbled. it seems like they retain the ISO-8859-15 encoding for some reason. how can i fix this problem? |
| 11:08.37 | Las_pesquis | heeeey |
| 11:08.43 | Las_pesquis | olaaaaaa |
| 11:08.57 | bliss1_ | nice french |
| 11:09.06 | Las_pesquis | spanish |
| 11:09.10 | Las_pesquis | ¬¬ |
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| 11:09.17 | Las_pesquis | hay alguien spañol? |
| 11:09.28 | bliss1_ | a; eho madi testa |
| 11:09.35 | Las_pesquis | wtf? |
| 11:09.41 | bliss1_ | ok |
| 11:10.02 | fjnieto | Las_pesquis: metete en #debian-es |
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| 11:14.06 | apenguinlinux | what is the differsnce b/w coldplug and hotplug |
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| 11:14.35 | SlayerXP | apenguinlinux: echo "coldplug" > 1; echo "hotplug" > 2; diff -c 1 2 |
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| 11:17.02 | cahoot | SlayerXP: why the echoing? |
| 11:17.21 | fjnieto | hi. recently i lost my loopback interface in sid. someone can help? |
| 11:17.27 | SlayerXP | cahoot: i dislike "cat" |
| 11:17.41 | Gnea | fjnieto: how do you 'lose' your loopback interface? |
| 11:18.09 | fjnieto | Gnea: it doesn't appear in /proc/net/dev and ifup lo fails |
| 11:18.23 | SlayerXP | fjnieto: ask sid to return it, immediately. |
| 11:18.31 | Gnea | fjnieto: does it appear in: ip l ? |
| 11:18.44 | fjnieto | Gnea: no |
| 11:18.50 | blaheva | who is this sid character and why is he stealing peoples interfaces |
| 11:18.59 | Gnea | fjnieto: what did you do? |
| 11:19.36 | blaheva | :) |
| 11:19.42 | fjnieto | Gnea: ja ja. just apt-get upgrade |
| 11:19.45 | apenguinlinux | SlayerXP, thaks |
| 11:19.58 | Gnea | fjnieto: oh... did you try rebooting? |
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| 11:20.37 | fjnieto | Gnea: about 14 times |
| 11:20.51 | Gnea | fjnieto: and you're running what kernel? |
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| 11:21.15 | sugarmice | Morning people. Is there a command line to set a single debconf configuration item? I want to set exim4/visiblename, but dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config never asks any questions about that particular debconf variable |
| 11:21.23 | atsi | hi |
| 11:21.41 | fjnieto | Linux mordisquitos 2.6.15.2 #11 PREEMPT in a powerpc system (ibook) |
| 11:21.46 | Gnea | sugarmice: just edit /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 11:21.56 | Gnea | !ppc |
| 11:21.56 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
| 11:22.23 | blaheva | !sparc |
| 11:22.23 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 11:22.31 | Gnea | fjnieto: people in those channels are more likely to be able to help you |
| 11:22.36 | fjnieto | thanks! |
| 11:22.42 | Gnea | :) |
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| 11:23.53 | atsi | i got an installation of sarge and i would like to ask a question. my current network settings was to get automatically an ip from the dhcp server. i did not have to do anything in order to connect to the lan. now i am moving to a lan that i need to specify IP, gateway, primary and secondary DNS, subnet. where is the file to edit the information?plz prefix |
| 11:24.10 | fjnieto | hi. I lose my loopback network interface. someone can help? |
| 11:24.23 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 11:24.24 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 11:24.25 | cklaus | atsi.. use ifconfig to set it at runtime.. otherwise its /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 11:24.32 | Gnea | fjnieto: you're still in #debian |
| 11:24.47 | fjnieto | arggg! |
| 11:25.37 | cklaus | hmm,... gotta remember those quick-answer-words.. ,) |
| 11:25.41 | atsi | cklaus, and the name of the file? i am not on that machine now. could u send me an example file? or even yours to get an idea? sorry if iam asking too much, |
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| 11:27.04 | cklaus | atsi.. as gnea "said" ... do a "man interfaces" for more info on the file.. its pretty easy to set up.. |
| 11:27.20 | atsi | cklaus, thx mate |
| 11:27.24 | cklaus | np |
| 11:27.29 | kohinoor | can i give default gateway via commandline ? |
| 11:27.43 | cklaus | kohinoor, "route add default gw your_ip" |
| 11:27.50 | Gnea | kohinoor: route add default gw 1.2.3.4 dev ethX |
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| 11:28.26 | Gnea | device specification is imperative |
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| 11:28.43 | cklaus | id swear it isnt |
| 11:28.56 | Gnea | well shit, it is :) |
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| 11:29.19 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 11:29.22 | cklaus | lemme check ;-) |
| 11:29.27 | die_z | hi! after reading acpi docs I still can't get my notebook's battery status to update, does somebody have any clue on where to investigate? |
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| 11:29.55 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 11:30.02 | cklaus | well shit, it isnt ^^ (at least if the ip for the net, the gateway is in is already configured ,) |
| 11:30.50 | yoo | Somebody can explain me what is this command (for tape) mt -f /dev/tape eod |
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| 11:30.59 | yoo | idon't understand this effect |
| 11:31.18 | cklaus | die_z, have you tried going with apm instead of acpi ? (if acpi doesnt work nicely right from the start its often your best bet to leave it untouched) |
| 11:31.21 | blaheva | !vnc |
| 11:31.21 | dpkg | vnc is probably Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
| 11:31.32 | yoo | !afio |
| 11:31.32 | dpkg | well, afio is an archive file manipulation program. |
| 11:31.41 | yoo | !mt |
| 11:31.41 | dpkg | somebody said mt was Malta. Movable Type - Blogging software |
| 11:31.47 | yoo | !mt-st |
| 11:32.07 | Gnea | cklaus: well, it's just 'good practice' to do it 'the right way' since not all platforms will assume the device |
| 11:32.21 | cklaus | Gnea, accepted ;-) |
| 11:32.31 | Growly | HELO! |
| 11:32.31 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 11:32.39 | ascii__ | !dpkg |
| 11:32.39 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
| 11:32.44 | die_z | cklaus: I think this could not be an acpi problem, because status is ok, it just isn't updating (no /proc/acpi/events change), but occasionally it updates (ex. when pluggin AC-adapter, but not always) |
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| 11:32.55 | Growly | now someone is meant to say |
| 11:33.23 | blaheva | join #sendmail? |
| 11:33.24 | Growly | MAIL FROM: myself |
| 11:33.24 | Stevie | 553 Relaying denied |
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| 11:33.39 | Growly | stevie is bot, no? |
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| 11:34.54 | cklaus | die_z, sry m8.. i never digged too much into acpi.. batt-status was all that ever interested me (and either it worked from the start, or i fell back to apm) .. therefore.. |
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| 11:35.40 | die_z | cklaus: thanks for your help. I asked because Ubuntu live works well, and I'd like to use acpi to control CPU states and video board powerplay, also |
| 11:35.53 | kohinoor | cklaus : suppose my ip is 1.1.1.1 and i wanna give it gateway as 2.2.2.2 then? |
| 11:36.07 | cklaus | die_z, no prob.. especially as i couldnt really help ^^ |
| 11:36.30 | Gnea | kohinoor: and 1.1.1.1 is on what interface? |
| 11:36.35 | cklaus | kohinoor, then proceed as gnea said .. by appending "dev ethX" |
| 11:36.49 | die_z | cklaus: thx anyway |
| 11:37.24 | kohinoor | Gnea : eth1 |
| 11:37.50 | Gnea | kohinoor: route add default gw 2.2.2.2 dev eth1 |
| 11:37.55 | cklaus | exactly ,) |
| 11:38.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:38.14 | kohinoor | Gnea: thanks a lot |
| 11:38.23 | kohinoor | cklaus,thanks |
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| 11:39.37 | Growly | NOOP |
| 11:39.47 | Growly | HELO |
| 11:39.47 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 11:39.55 | Growly | MAIL FROM: growly |
| 11:39.55 | Stevie | 553 Relaying denied |
| 11:39.59 | Growly | MAIL TO GROWLY? |
| 11:40.01 | Growly | no? |
| 11:40.04 | Growly | no stevie? |
| 11:40.04 | Growly | fine. |
| 11:40.49 | mentorofAustria | ugh how annoying |
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| 11:41.07 | Gnea | !enter |
| 11:41.08 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 11:42.14 | Halitherses | I have lost my icons from evolution |
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| 11:42.48 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: Careless of you. What did you change? |
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| 11:43.11 | overmind | q |
| 11:43.15 | Halitherses | All I did was and apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:43.27 | mentorofAustria | heh |
| 11:43.33 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: What release of Debian? |
| 11:43.58 | Halitherses | Someone told me to run gnomesetting daemon but that corrupts xchat. |
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| 11:44.03 | Halitherses | etch |
| 11:45.15 | Halitherses | I will create a script that runs gnome-setting daemon then run evolution. |
| 11:45.25 | mentorofAustria | erg |
| 11:45.51 | mentorofAustria | gnome-settings-daemon should run and should start automatically |
| 11:46.00 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: How are you starting GNOME? |
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| 11:46.13 | Halitherses | i use kde |
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| 11:46.33 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: How does XChat get corrupted? |
| 11:47.05 | Halitherses | the text at the end of the lines goes missing |
| 11:47.05 | cklaus | !any ? |
| 11:47.35 | cklaus | no quick answer for that any-key ? .. duh ,) |
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| 11:48.00 | kroddn | Test 2 |
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| 11:48.15 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: weird. |
| 11:48.19 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: That's a bug. |
| 11:48.39 | JoKa | what are GUI debian configuration tools? |
| 11:48.47 | Halitherses | it changes the format of all of the buttons also |
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| 11:49.18 | cklaus | JoKa, xterm :) |
| 11:49.46 | Halitherses | it clears if i change the font in xchat |
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| 11:50.08 | adii | hello |
| 11:50.34 | adii | i would like to install another version of windows (from xp to 2k). but it will certainly delete grub and i won't be able to install linux again. what can i do ? |
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| 11:50.49 | adii | (i mean i won't be able to boot linux again, without installing) |
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| 11:51.10 | jiriki- | adii: use some (knoppix, gentoo) livecd to install the grub |
| 11:51.14 | kspath | adii: Which is important? Windows or Linux? |
| 11:51.15 | cklaus | adii.. get a grml.iso image or another bootable cd that'll enable you to reinstall grub |
| 11:51.22 | jiriki- | adii: or use grub boot floppy |
| 11:51.23 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: Well, yes, it would do that. |
| 11:51.45 | adii | kspath, there are some games i can't play on linux. tho i use linux for everything else. (ask ati why i can't get games running ^^) |
| 11:51.50 | kspath | adii: There are windows friendly boot managers. |
| 11:51.52 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: gnome-settings-daemon informs applications about the current theme |
| 11:52.04 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: I think your problem is that you're not running gnome-settings-daemon. |
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| 11:52.48 | Halitherses | mentorofAustria, it only happens when i run gnome-settings-daemon |
| 11:52.51 | E-bola | W: GPG error: http://debian.uni-c.dk etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 11:52.57 | adii | jiriki-, here i got an old version of knoppix. i'm afraid the grub version is outdated. does it make a difference ? will i be able to update it afterwards ? |
| 11:52.58 | E-bola | what causes this? Im trying to run apt-get update |
| 11:53.16 | Halitherses | mentorofAustria, |
| 11:53.33 | kspath | !tell E-bola about 2006 key |
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| 11:53.39 | Halitherses | if i do not run gsd all is good |
| 11:53.52 | Halitherses | aprt from my icons in evolution |
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| 11:54.39 | Inkvisit2r | how do I mount an nfs export if I'm behind a firewall? |
| 11:54.48 | jiriki- | adii: well, propably not unless you are going to need some new features (dunno what they are tho) |
| 11:54.52 | E-bola | kspath: does that mean u need a new apt to get it? |
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| 11:54.54 | mentorofAustria | Halitherses: Well, make evolution get it's icons without gsd then... :/ |
| 11:54.57 | E-bola | if u dont wanna trust it manualy |
| 11:55.21 | kspath | !tell E-bola about u |
| 11:55.39 | jiriki- | adii: you can install it again later ofc |
| 11:55.39 | Halitherses | mentorofAustria, i do not know how |
| 11:55.51 | E-bola | Its fun to see how u and other ppl think they can change irc slang |
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| 11:56.18 | adii | yea ok |
| 11:56.19 | kspath | E-bola: u is a letter and you is a word. We try to use English here. |
| 11:56.36 | E-bola | Ok, thats odd though, since everyone else on irc uses slang |
| 11:56.41 | E-bola | this isnt english class its a chatroom |
| 11:56.48 | E-bola | therefor chat lingo makes sence |
| 11:57.07 | kspath | E-bola: This is an IRC channel. Does that make sense? |
| 11:57.17 | mentorofAustria | E-bola: No, this is a support channel; furthermore it is a multilingual support channel. |
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| 11:57.32 | adii | what's that slang ? |
| 11:57.36 | mentorofAustria | E-bola: Correct, full, and grammatical English is preferred. |
| 11:57.36 | adii | oh i'm stupid :( |
| 11:57.41 | adii | slang i know that |
| 11:57.47 | mentorofAustria | E-bola: If you don't like it, we won't talk to you. |
| 11:57.50 | mentorofAustria | :) |
| 11:57.51 | E-bola | lol |
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| 11:58.02 | E-bola | again as the majority of irc dont agree with you |
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| 11:58.07 | azeem | might not be helpful, though |
| 11:58.09 | E-bola | i dont see how u excluding me is a problem |
| 11:58.35 | kspath | mentorofAustria: Actually this is basically an English only channel but we redirect to appropriate channels based on languages. |
| 11:58.38 | azeem | E-bola: people are helping others in here for free, sometimes for several hours per day |
| 11:58.38 | mentorofAustria | E-bola: We're not the majority of IRC. |
| 11:58.39 | adii | E-bola you should follow us in our struggle to preserve a correct english |
| 11:58.55 | azeem | E-bola: some of them would prefer to read proper english if they invest so much |
| 11:59.01 | adii | E-bola, just in a comprehension purpose |
| 11:59.09 | mentorofAustria | E-bola: I'm not excluding you. I'm just saying that if you don't try to get along, people won't talk to you. |
| 11:59.11 | E-bola | adii: hardly |
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| 11:59.24 | Angels2 | <Schwarzenegger>: Action :P |
| 11:59.34 | E-bola | mentorofAustria: and im trying to explain to you, that thats onyl the case in here |
| 11:59.44 | adii | E-bola, look i'm french, i just don't understand people when they speak slang , or .. i understand little of their speaking. therefore it makes sense to use correct english you know |
| 11:59.46 | kspath | E-bola: Imagine if hours upon hours of the day you read gibberish. Do you understand it will impact your language skills? |
| 11:59.48 | E-bola | I actualy do try to moderate my language a little bit, to be more clear |
| 11:59.56 | E-bola | kspath: im on irc 12 hours a day |
| 12:00.02 | E-bola | so no i dont get ur point |
| 12:00.12 | Angels2 | kspath: I can answer that with a truely yes[x] |
| 12:00.13 | azeem | this discussion is pointless and off-topic |
| 12:00.14 | E-bola | But i agree it impacts my language skills |
| 12:00.23 | mentorofAustria | indeed. |
| 12:00.34 | mentorofAustria | I think that's probably enough. |
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| 12:04.19 | Phlexonance | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.45 | kspath | Phlexonance: Which open office? |
| 12:05.00 | Phlexonance | kspath, you mean which version? |
| 12:05.09 | Phlexonance | kspath, latest |
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| 12:05.33 | kspath | Phlexonance: Are you running stable or testing or unstable? |
| 12:05.45 | Phlexonance | kspath, stable |
| 12:05.56 | kspath | Phlexonance: Did you check backports? |
| 12:06.32 | kspath | Phlexonance: You will want to read about them before using them. |
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| 12:07.41 | kspath | Phlexonance: When you said latest. Did you mean development or something stable/release/non-alpha/perhaps non-beta? |
| 12:08.51 | adii | what does sarge r2 uses as kernel version |
| 12:08.54 | Phlexonance | kspath, I ment 2.0.2 stable |
| 12:09.22 | kspath | !tell Phlexonance about backports |
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| 12:09.54 | apenguinlinux | any bandwidth management tool (gui) in Debian |
| 12:09.58 | kspath | Phlexonance: I do not know what version(s) are there but that is a set of things to check first. |
| 12:09.59 | petn-randall | hi @all |
| 12:10.25 | arunkumaran | ive got the first debian sarge cd |
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| 12:10.42 | Killbush | hi |
| 12:10.52 | petn-randall | does anyone have experience with guessnet ? |
| 12:10.54 | Killbush | Is there any italian? |
| 12:10.58 | Ronin | !it |
| 12:10.58 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 12:11.03 | arunkumaran | is it enough for the very basic installation with gui |
| 12:11.15 | Ronin | arunkumaran: as we said earlier yes it is |
| 12:11.19 | Killbush | ah |
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| 12:11.51 | arunkumaran | ronin:hi |
| 12:11.55 | arunkumaran | ive got it now |
| 12:12.03 | arunkumaran | ronin:jus wanna confirm finally |
| 12:12.08 | Ronin | :) |
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| 12:12.13 | petn-randall | I don't know how to tell guessnet only to consider some logical interfaces for testing |
| 12:12.17 | arunkumaran | ronin:celeron 330 Mhz 320mb ram 5 gb hdd |
| 12:13.04 | gejo_deb | how can i mainatain a copy of all sent emails that relayed through my mail-server |
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| 12:13.19 | gejo_deb | I configure a router |
| 12:13.26 | kspath | gejo_deb: Learn about your MTA. |
| 12:13.57 | arunkumaran | ronin:y no reply |
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| 12:13.59 | kspath | gejo_deb: There are IRC channels for exim #exim postfix #postfix sendmail #sendmail ... |
| 12:14.16 | gejo_deb | it is exim http://pastebin.com/684771 |
| 12:14.27 | Ronin | arunkumaran: you didnt ask anything |
| 12:14.30 | gejo_deb | thsi is my router configuration |
| 12:14.34 | kspath | gejo_deb: Each MTA has a set of web sites with various resources listed and mailing lists. |
| 12:14.40 | arunkumaran | ronin:jus now sent my specs |
| 12:14.42 | arunkumaran | ronin |
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| 12:15.33 | arunkumaran | roninronin:will it fit my comp |
| 12:15.40 | Killbush | Someone can tell my an italian irc server? |
| 12:15.41 | arunkumaran | ronin:.... |
| 12:15.47 | gejo_deb | can you please check my router config |
| 12:15.50 | petn-randall | Is there a better channel to ask about using guessnet in e/n/i ? |
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| 12:15.57 | yoo | HI ! |
| 12:16.01 | gejo_deb | i think somebody can help me in debian session |
| 12:16.04 | petn-randall | hi |
| 12:16.11 | yoo | Somebody can help me with afio please ? |
| 12:16.36 | Ronin | Killbush: an italian irc server will have the same channels as an english, do yo umean italian channel? |
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| 12:16.40 | yoo | i can't find the man in french and there are some lines that i don't understand |
| 12:16.45 | Killbush | then? |
| 12:16.52 | Killbush | ..... |
| 12:17.14 | yoo | i want use afio to make control files |
| 12:17.25 | yoo | with date,..... |
| 12:17.31 | yoo | How can i do ? |
| 12:17.41 | yoo | to generate a headers file |
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| 12:22.10 | Caeies[taff] | Hi all |
| 12:22.36 | Ronin | RvGaTe^off: you may want to turn that off |
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| 12:22.46 | Caeies[taff] | I got a strange bug in a fresh etch install (using the netinst) |
| 12:23.19 | Caeies[taff] | I'm using lvm, and all run fine with the 2.6-486 kernel and latest udev |
| 12:23.30 | Caeies[taff] | booing is ok, nice ... |
| 12:23.42 | Caeies[taff] | but then I install the 2.6-686 kernel |
| 12:24.00 | Inkvisit2r | how do I mount an NFS share when my client is behind a firewall? |
| 12:24.10 | Ronin | oh ya i see RvGaTe^off getting really annoying |
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| 12:24.27 | Caeies[taff] | and rebooting : waiting for root filesystem, and juste before, a message saying that the Debian volume group was not found ... |
| 12:24.32 | snail | Caeies[taff]: tell us about your cpu and motherboard |
| 12:24.32 | avtobiff | Inkvisit2r, with ssh tunneled nfs perhaps? |
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| 12:24.47 | Inkvisit2r | the NFS server sais permission denied, probably because my ip is internal 192.168.0.100 |
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| 12:24.48 | mrwill | should I reboot after upgrading libc6 for the new point release? |
| 12:24.48 | avtobiff | or VPN maybe? |
| 12:24.52 | Caeies[taff] | snail, cpu is a p4 3Ghz |
| 12:25.07 | Inkvisit2r | do I have to use those? |
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| 12:25.22 | Caeies[taff] | motherboard is a shuttle one |
| 12:25.27 | Caeies[taff] | the zen |
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| 12:26.31 | Caeies[taff] | snail, a FT62 from shuttle |
| 12:27.38 | Inkvisit2r | I think the nfs server somehow sees my LAN ip .. matches it and can't find it in exports |
| 12:27.57 | Inkvisit2r | how is that possible :P |
| 12:28.29 | Inkvisit2r | because even if I disable the firewall I get permission denied |
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| 12:29.17 | Caeies[taff] | exact message is Unable to find volumne group "Debian" |
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| 12:29.57 | blj | is there a hosts file for individual user in Linux? |
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| 12:30.41 | blj | I dont have admin access, but I wonder if is there any hosts file for inidividual user in Debian |
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| 12:31.00 | snail | Caeies[taff]: have you googled for this? does the 2.6-686 kernel support the latest udev? |
| 12:31.04 | kspath | blj: In relation to what? |
| 12:31.20 | Caeies[taff] | snail, that's debian etch packages |
| 12:31.45 | wireddd | blj, not that I know of, just the system host file |
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| 12:31.54 | blj | kspath, I want to point a domain to an IP, but I dont have access to /etc/hosts |
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| 12:32.24 | kspath | blj: point a domain to an IP? |
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| 12:32.41 | clars | why can I connect one server on SSH by Gftp - but server 2 can I only connect on SSH by console |
| 12:32.49 | blj | weirddd, I have vague memory of linux offering hosts file to individual user, but not sure how I do it. |
| 12:32.58 | kspath | blj: DNS is a service that serves that machine. |
| 12:33.20 | blj | kspath, yes until my DNS service propagates, I want to use hosts file |
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| 12:34.54 | Caeies[taff] | snail, and the udev is working on the same kernel but compiled for 486 |
| 12:34.57 | wireddd | blj, there is proably a way to setup hosts for specific users, but you would probably need admin access to set it up |
| 12:35.03 | kspath | blj: You might want to install a NS like bind or powerdns or maradns or other. |
| 12:35.29 | MarcoPau | my alsamixer is always set to zero by default, and I always have to set it up. How do I save the settings? |
| 12:35.35 | fourat | my debian sarge netinstall cd wont detect my hard disk :(, tried expert and linux modes |
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| 12:36.25 | blj | thanks wireddd and kspath. I dont have admin access, so no luck for me. I will wait until the change propagates. |
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| 12:37.34 | lehel | how do i install/search a package [with apt-get] from the unstable branch without changing the sources.list? [can i?] |
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| 12:38.18 | SlayerXP | lehel: if you have to ask that question then you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 12:38.44 | fireba11 | lehel: look for a backport |
| 12:39.25 | cahoot | MarcoPau: using sid? |
| 12:39.34 | kroddn | or use a deb-src entry and do apt-get sourcen --compile <package> |
| 12:39.45 | kroddn | source |
| 12:40.11 | kspath | wireddd: I have heard of and modified applications to use a different NS or hardcoded some NS information but how would one isolate per user NS unless they were isolated in their own virtual environment? All commands/applications and shell. |
| 12:40.30 | MarcoPau | cahoot: yes |
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| 12:41.03 | cahoot | MarcoPau: there's a bug report to read - on bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:42.01 | kspath | wireddd: a more ideal/dangerous solution would be to make NS an environment variable / configuration option in anything that uses/requires/depends on NS. |
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| 12:42.07 | wireddd | kspath, I don't know I didn't really give it that much thought |
| 12:42.45 | wireddd | either way, I don't think it would be worthwhile |
| 12:44.00 | cahoot | MarcoPau: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364593 - I suppose that's the one you've encountered |
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| 12:45.44 | MarcoPau | cahoot: great, very kind of you |
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| 12:46.15 | blj | kspath, it is a simple requirement. I remember doing it per user basis but not sure anymore. It was a very long time ago I since touched a linux/unix box |
| 12:46.33 | blj | kspath, anyway, I will do the research and let you guys know if I find it. |
| 12:46.40 | MarcoPau | cahoot: heh, I don't even have that script... |
| 12:47.04 | cahoot | MarcoPau: aha - so all you need is alsa--utlis then |
| 12:47.20 | MarcoPau | cahoot: yep, I'm installing it |
| 12:47.22 | cahoot | MarcoPau: err alsa-utils |
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| 12:49.09 | littleball | hello, is there any standard for email signature? |
| 12:49.19 | bbrazil | littleball: \n-- \n |
| 12:49.32 | Ronin | littleball: smaller is better, none is best |
| 12:49.54 | littleball | Ronin, i am talking about RFC standard .... |
| 12:50.10 | bbrazil | littleball: check the etiquette rfc |
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| 12:50.51 | littleball | bbrazil, what is etiquette rfc? |
| 12:50.53 | littleball | i mean the binary/text format for email signature |
| 12:51.01 | bbrazil | littleball: eh, plain text |
| 12:51.09 | bronze | littleball: The standards say four lines maximum. |
| 12:51.22 | littleball | because i want to put some html code into my signature |
| 12:51.24 | bbrazil | littleball: I gave you the standard delimiter above, follow by up to 4 lines of not longer than 72 chars |
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| 12:51.38 | kspath | Ronin: I thought the general rule was 4 lines max maybe 5 if there is a good reason. |
| 12:52.05 | cahoot | littleball: won't html trigger spamfilters? |
| 12:52.09 | Ronin | kspath: it is but we're special here, everything in govt has to be in both official languages etc. |
| 12:52.25 | littleball | cahoot, although, i have other reason |
| 12:52.26 | bronze | littleball: Here is the RFC: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html |
| 12:52.54 | Ronin | kspath: so you can get name, title, branch, phone, email, then it all in french too, then some have a no sense is good sense garbage with also has to be in both |
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| 12:53.16 | kspath | Ronin: Why not side by side. Though I am WAY off-topic now. |
| 12:53.23 | Caeies[taff] | snail, should I fill a bug report ? |
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| 12:54.02 | Ronin | kspath: likely we just gave up and said to hell with it, they want that nonsense let them |
| 12:54.04 | Caeies[taff] | I was hoping trying to use busybox to see what happens, but it seems that the conf param disapears from initramfs.conf :( |
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| 13:02.38 | dorel_ | where can i find a font whose name misc-fixed-iso8859-8 |
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| 13:03.38 | lehel | hey.. why is my atx not working, just tells me "Power down" , i need to push the button manually [?] |
| 13:04.02 | Angels2 | not compiled into the kernel? |
| 13:04.29 | lehel | 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 13:04.40 | lehel | hm.. have to look |
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| 13:04.48 | blujay | lehel: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 13:04.54 | lehel | no |
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| 13:05.06 | blujay | lehel: stock Sarge kernel? |
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| 13:05.17 | kspath | lehel: New machine? |
| 13:05.51 | lehel | .. yes .. and then apt-get .. image|source|headers > 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 13:06.06 | dorel_ | is it possible to see all installed fonts type? |
| 13:06.08 | blujay | lehel: did it work before? |
| 13:06.12 | Andy_CARP | hello, why my dhcp server not deliver a dhcpnack to pcs that are requesting ip addresses out of his uthoritative subnet? |
| 13:06.12 | Silent_al | !lart silent_al |
| 13:06.31 | lehel | blujay, i think no |
| 13:06.43 | gilead | I just had to try RH for a while... it is still just user-frienly (admin-friendly) as it was 8 years ago, meaning: total disaster ;) Long live Debian!! :D |
| 13:06.45 | blujay | lehel: grep the logs for apm or acpi messages |
| 13:07.00 | blujay | gilead: hehe |
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| 13:07.59 | kspath | ChanServ: welcome back? |
| 13:09.42 | lehel | blujay: http://pastebin.ca/51724 |
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| 13:10.03 | lehel | smthg fails there |
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| 13:10.19 | blujay | lehel: what is smthg? |
| 13:10.25 | kspath | lehel: something? |
| 13:10.33 | blujay | kspath: haha, oh |
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| 13:10.39 | lehel | localhost kernel: pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
| 13:10.39 | blujay | lehel: did you add the "no apm.." ? |
| 13:11.14 | kspath | lehel: removing all vowels from some words will not help others assist you. |
| 13:11.33 | blujay | lehel: well, anyway, I'm guessing your motherboard is too new for 2.6.8. I recommend trying a newer kernel from testing/unstable. |
| 13:12.12 | lehel | i see |
| 13:12.18 | jerome | I'm wondering if some people had this silly problem with the nonfree flashplugin : the sound being too fast / hi pitched with some .swf |
| 13:12.29 | blujay | jerome: not me |
| 13:12.59 | jerome | this makes screencast a bit difficult to follow :/ |
| 13:12.59 | kspath | jerome: I had no problems with it when I did use it. |
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| 13:13.49 | kspath | jerome: If you right click on the flash "window" area does it give you options? |
| 13:14.11 | jerome | kspath: yep, but nothing quite related |
| 13:14.37 | kspath | jerome: Sorry, that was my only idea to assist. Try reporting it to the flash contacts. |
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| 13:14.59 | jerome | kspath: I'll try that :) |
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| 13:18.16 | vl_here | hi there |
| 13:18.18 | binkzz | fstab is trying to mount my usb drives before the kernel loads the usb modules from /etc/modules - how can I make the kernel load the modules before the drives are mounted? |
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| 13:19.23 | cahoot | binkzz: building usb support statically in kernel is no option? |
| 13:19.41 | binkzz | does that require recompiling the kernel manually? |
| 13:19.54 | cahoot | binkzz: yes |
| 13:20.04 | binkzz | then, not really |
| 13:20.19 | binkzz | unless debian makes it particularly easy |
| 13:20.33 | lord_rob | binkzz: it does |
| 13:20.35 | cahoot | binkzz: set noauto for the usb drives and mount them later? |
| 13:20.46 | binkzz | well, one of the usb drives is the swap |
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| 13:20.50 | binkzz | the other is /home |
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| 13:21.24 | binkzz | it complains about not mounting them and then dies into the emergency prompt instead of continuing booting |
| 13:21.52 | tarzeau | now with icq link: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 13:21.57 | binkzz | how do I commence the configuration of the kernel source? |
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| 13:22.15 | binkzz | do I set noauto in fstab? |
| 13:22.27 | bulot | Trying to install Sarge in a Toshiba m45-s269 |
| 13:22.51 | bulot | The net install does not recognize the network card.. |
| 13:23.00 | XSoul | hello team .. |
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| 13:23.08 | bulot | some forums said that I have to use the sk98lin driver. |
| 13:23.10 | XSoul | who can give me the idea .. |
| 13:23.22 | XSoul | how I can recompile the new xorg .. now the packages are in the modules |
| 13:23.22 | bulot | But this one still does not work. |
| 13:23.27 | bulot | Some idea. |
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| 13:23.38 | XSoul | how I can find the basic packages ? |
| 13:23.39 | Shoragan | i want to switch to the official debian xen packages, but i dont find the linux-patch-xen package :/ |
| 13:23.42 | bulot | Should I pass some parameters??? |
| 13:23.42 | tarzeau | can i search for factoids somewhow? |
| 13:23.52 | tarzeau | XSoul: apt-cache search basic ? |
| 13:24.00 | tarzeau | Shoragan: sid? |
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| 13:24.13 | Shoragan | tarzeau, yes |
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| 13:24.29 | Shoragan | i used the tha packages before |
| 13:24.32 | quitte | XSoul: why would you want to? |
| 13:24.38 | XSoul | tarzeau I men only for xorg |
| 13:24.48 | binkzz | the bottom post here might help you bulot: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=352098 |
| 13:24.53 | XSoul | quitte : i want to optimize it for my pc with apt-build |
| 13:24.55 | tarzeau | Shoragan: are you sure it's there? checked packages.debian.org yet? |
| 13:25.08 | tarzeau | XSoul: what's your pc? |
| 13:25.11 | quitte | XSoul: it's dozens of source packages now. |
| 13:25.29 | XSoul | tarzeau amd64 arhitecture |
| 13:25.47 | kspath | !tell tarzeau about help |
| 13:26.12 | XSoul | quitte the idea is to find the basic packages .. for old xorg was easy but now I don't know which are the basic packages |
| 13:26.28 | tarzeau | kspath: huh? |
| 13:26.40 | tarzeau | kspath: ah thanks |
| 13:26.42 | quitte | XSoul: have a look what xserver-xorg depends on |
| 13:26.52 | quitte | XSoul: and follow all dependencies |
| 13:26.58 | Shoragan | tarzeau, apt-cache search and package.d.o show nothing |
| 13:27.00 | XSoul | quitte for example if I get apt-build install xorg I get only xorg module no whole xorg system |
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| 13:29.07 | tarzeau | Shoragan: then it doesn't exist? |
| 13:29.07 | XSoul | quitte yes I try this way too . but the problem is the same az xorg only first modules no whole xorg system |
| 13:29.07 | Shoragan | exactly |
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| 13:29.07 | Shoragan | but the xen-utils-3.0 README.Debian is talking about it |
| 13:29.10 | quitte | XSoul: there is no whole xorg system anymore. it is now modularized. you'll have to live with it. |
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| 13:29.14 | tarzeau | !yourmom |
| 13:29.14 | dpkg | yourmom is probably nick |
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| 13:29.14 | tarzeau | dpkg forget yourmom |
| 13:29.15 | dpkg | tarzeau: i forgot yourmom |
| 13:29.15 | quitte | XSoul: or do it manually - or find some way to automate building all of it. good luck. |
| 13:29.15 | XSoul | quitte yes I understand . where I can get the moduels source one by one ? |
| 13:29.19 | quitte | XSoul: apt-get source them one by one |
| 13:29.30 | XSoul | quitte yes . but source like names . .. |
| 13:29.51 | XSoul | quitte . which exactly sources are for whole xorg system . i need the list only |
| 13:30.14 | Shoragan | tarzeau, do you know where i could get the correct patch then? |
| 13:30.36 | riz | XSoul: start with the xorg metapackage and go from there? |
| 13:30.37 | tarzeau | Shoragan: from the developers of it? |
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| 13:30.53 | Angels2 | i try to configure exim, should i stick with exim or use another mailtransport agent? |
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| 13:31.02 | quitte | XSoul: iif there is a good way i'd love to know. but you could for example remove xorg from your system completely and remove deb lines from sources.list and keep only deb-src. then start building and all dependencies. this works. i have done it. |
| 13:31.07 | XSoul | riz yes I try this way but only for 10 packages . not whole xorg system |
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| 13:31.23 | XSoul | riz : because one by another they are no dependences |
| 13:31.43 | gilead | Angels2: I use it and it's fine, it's easy to configure (at least for my limited needs ;) ) |
| 13:31.50 | XSoul | quitte hmm .. .. interesting |
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| 13:31.53 | kspath | Angels2: no MTA is going to be easy enough if exim is causing you problems. |
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| 13:32.01 | gunixu | someone shed some light please... |
| 13:32.02 | gunixu | lol |
| 13:32.12 | quitte | XSoul: the problem is that debian has no good way of handling "source dependencies" afaict |
| 13:32.25 | gunixu | why can i not find a libncurses5-dev package for rh9 ? |
| 13:32.38 | gunixu | bloody hell, wrong window |
| 13:32.40 | gilead | gunixu: because RH sucks |
| 13:32.48 | XSoul | quitte .. the problem is that module by module don't have depndence yes .. right |
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| 13:33.02 | gunixu | gilead: this is true. |
| 13:33.16 | kspath | Angels2: exim, postfix, sendmail, qmail, smail and some others are the popular common ones. You still need to learn a few dozen terms (vocabulary) and their associate ideas/concepts. |
| 13:33.25 | Angels2 | dunno, i have no problems configuring postfix, but somehow i am not getting exim's style :) .. maybe i have to read some more documents |
| 13:33.31 | dorel_ | im hearing sound extremely low with mplayer, is it possible i need to install alsa or something? |
| 13:33.32 | Shoragan | tarzeau, a patch is in the pkg-xen svn repository |
| 13:33.40 | quitte | XSoul: if you try to solve all buiold-dependencies manually you still get the whole thing |
| 13:33.47 | dorel_ | i mean. i got alsa-base and alsa-oss installed. |
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| 13:34.12 | blujay | XSoul: have you tried $ apt-get build-dep xorg ? |
| 13:34.36 | XSoul | blujay not this exactly optons . .. sec to test it now |
| 13:34.37 | blujay | dorel_: is mplayer the only app sound from is low? |
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| 13:34.59 | dorel_ | dorel_: the only one im using :P |
| 13:35.03 | kspath | Angels2: You might try asking #exim about exim and #postfix about postfix and #sendmail about sendmail ... |
| 13:35.20 | blujay | dorel_: what? |
| 13:35.31 | Angels2 | kspath: thanks :) |
| 13:35.39 | dorel_ | blujay: mplayer is the only app im using. i dont have anything else |
| 13:35.46 | kspath | Angels2: They also have website(s) and mailing lists. |
| 13:35.50 | blujay | dorel_: you have no other app on your entire system that can play sounds? |
| 13:36.34 | FabParma | a futil question, why GNOME is the default instead KDE? |
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| 13:36.48 | dorel_ | blujay: none, sorry. its not a desktop box |
| 13:36.53 | dorel_ | blujay: what do you suggest i try? |
| 13:37.00 | blujay | FabParma: you can probably find the answer by searching Debian mailing list archives |
| 13:37.17 | stew | FabParma: for what? for tasksel? |
| 13:37.20 | blujay | dorel_: um...are you sure the volume levels in ALSA and mplayer itself are turned up? |
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| 13:37.42 | arunkumaran | !checksum |
| 13:38.04 | arunkumaran | ronin:uthere |
| 13:38.25 | XSoul | blujay : nothing with apt-get build-dep xorg . just reading the packages |
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| 13:38.28 | kspath | dorel_: Are your speakers/headphones amplified? Do they not have their own volume controls? |
| 13:38.38 | blujay | XSoul: what do you mean, "just reading the packages"? |
| 13:38.47 | dorel_ | blujay: im using mplayer command line. how do i check? how do i check the alsa mixer settings also? |
| 13:38.51 | FabParma | a question, why GNOME is the default enviroment instead KDE? |
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| 13:39.10 | XSoul | blujay the msg is only Reading package lists... Done .. Building dependency tree... Done . that is all |
| 13:39.12 | blujay | dorel_: I don't know how you adjust the vol in mplayer via command line, try "man mplayer"...for alsa, I suggest running alsamixer |
| 13:39.13 | stew | FabParma: default for what? for tasksel? |
| 13:39.14 | quitte | XSoul: that is because you have all build dependencies met already. thats why i suggested removing the whole xorg |
| 13:39.25 | blujay | XSoul: that suggests that the build deps are already satisfied |
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| 13:39.40 | blujay | FabParma: did you see what I said to you a minute ago? |
| 13:39.43 | XSoul | quitte removing the whole xorg is problem because will remove all graphic packages too .. |
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| 13:39.48 | spart | Can anyone recommend a good jabber server (want to run my own internal server)? |
| 13:40.03 | blujay | XSoul: you said you were trying to use apt-build...what command did you use, and what problem did you encounter? |
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| 13:40.40 | XSoul | blujay : apt-build install --build-only libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xkb-data xserver-xorg xterm xutils |
| 13:40.46 | tarzeau | FabParma: neither gnome, nor kde are default |
| 13:40.47 | XSoul | these packages are from xorg depends |
| 13:41.00 | blujay | XSoul: and what problem did you encounter?? |
| 13:41.02 | Caeies[taff] | snail, hmm I guess I understand what's happening |
| 13:41.08 | gunixu | hey, guys. Is there a way to query package/app version's once compiled ? |
| 13:41.11 | FabParma | stew, i mean that when you start Debian for the first time it launch GNOME and not KDE, Why? |
| 13:41.12 | stew | spart: apt-get install jabber? |
| 13:41.18 | blujay | gunixu: apt-cache policy |
| 13:41.20 | kspath | FabParma: What distribution of linux are you running? |
| 13:41.23 | dorel_ | thanks |
| 13:41.27 | stew | FabParma: when you start debian for the first time, not even X is installed |
| 13:41.28 | dorel_ | it was alsamixer that i had to check |
| 13:41.28 | Caeies[taff] | snail, I update udev btw the 2 generations of initramfs |
| 13:41.36 | blujay | dorel_: cool |
| 13:41.37 | gunixu | blujay: in linux in general preferrably not belong to apt |
| 13:41.42 | gunixu | belonging* |
| 13:41.45 | blujay | gunixu: sorry... app --version |
| 13:41.48 | quitte | XSoul: pbuilder or some other chroot to do it in is an option |
| 13:41.52 | Caeies[taff] | so one is using old (486) and one is using the new (686) |
| 13:41.53 | gunixu | ahh, thankyou. |
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| 13:42.09 | blujay | gunixu: yw :) |
| 13:42.15 | spart | stew will try that, there are a few OSS servers out there just thought i'd ask |
| 13:42.21 | Caeies[taff] | so I guess that new udev break the system boot |
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| 13:42.44 | blujay | dorel_: fyi, for future reference, try this as an exmaple: "apropos alsa mixer" |
| 13:42.50 | Caeies[taff] | at least one of its script |
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| 13:43.02 | XSoul | quitte hmm you men to install in on cliean system via chroot with apt-build and apt-build alone to build it . then I can get the ready packages . right ? |
| 13:43.25 | FabParma | stewe, i use the latest stable sarge |
| 13:43.34 | blujay | XSoul: what are your apt preferences? is your system using the versions from unstable? |
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| 13:43.44 | Silent_al | !lart silent_al |
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| 13:43.58 | XSoul | blujay yes from unstable |
| 13:44.11 | XSoul | blujay but I already run it on second pc using binary files |
| 13:44.17 | quitte | XSoul: yes |
| 13:44.20 | kspath | Silent_al: Is there a purpose in larting yourself 1-10 times per day in channel? |
| 13:44.21 | blujay | XSoul: and what does this get you? $ cd; mkdir xorg; cd xorg; apt-src install xorg ? |
| 13:44.27 | FabParma | stewe, if i make the login and i press enter GNOME booting, why not KDE? |
| 13:44.41 | Ronin | FabParma: why not gnome? |
| 13:44.43 | XSoul | quitte yes this idea is good . .. i must try .. |
| 13:44.44 | Silent_al | kspath, yes, there is.. i hate my life.. |
| 13:44.47 | blujay | FabParma: install kdm and remove gdm, or select kde as the default session |
| 13:44.48 | gunixu | blujay: lol, can you list what apps you have installed? |
| 13:44.50 | stew | FabParma: when you install debian, and first boot it, neither X nor kde nor gnome are installed. if you have gnome installed now its becuase you installed it. did you use tasksel? |
| 13:44.57 | blujay | gunixu: what do you mean? |
| 13:45.08 | XSoul | blujay is apt-build install xorg better ? |
| 13:45.14 | gunixu | blujay: purely to obtain the specific app name before quering the version with app --verison ? |
| 13:45.29 | blujay | XSoul: I like apt-build but it has some bugs currently, it doesn't always work properly |
| 13:45.44 | stew | FabParma: if you used tasksel and selected a "desktop workstation" task or whatever, THAT might have installed gnome instead of kde. The latest versions of tasksel let you chose instead between a gnome or a kde desktop task. |
| 13:45.50 | blujay | gunixu: I don't understand your question...are you wanting a list of every package that is installed? |
| 13:45.55 | nStensen | anyone seen this before? |
| 13:45.56 | nStensen | Starting Name Service Cache Daemon: nscd. |
| 13:45.56 | nStensen | cp: `/etc/resolv.conf' and `/etc/resolv.conf' are the same file |
| 13:45.56 | XSoul | blujay yes . they are many bugs . before some versions back it work better . |
| 13:46.15 | blujay | XSoul: yeah, and it hasn't been updated in a while...so sometimes you have to use apt-src or other means to build the packages |
| 13:46.19 | XSoul | blujay after gpg verification the apt-build have many more bugs |
| 13:46.51 | XSoul | blujay excuse me apt-src never use it . is the same as apt-get source Name -b ? |
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| 13:46.59 | stew | FabParma: if you want to know why older versions of tasksel installed gnome instead of kde, then the answer is, "becuase that's what the tasksel maintainer decided" |
| 13:47.05 | blujay | XSoul: not exactly...you should read the man page to be sure of what the commands do |
| 13:47.15 | gunixu | blujay: yes. |
| 13:47.24 | blujay | XSoul: I have to reread the man page just about every time I use it, because the commands are so similar |
| 13:47.32 | gunixu | blujay: terribly sorry to bother you , i'll go google. thankyou for your help. |
| 13:47.46 | Angels2 | What package contains /usr/bin/mail? |
| 13:47.50 | blujay | gunixu: well, there are many ways...one way is $ dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:47.52 | XSoul | blujay which is better for use apt-src or apt-get source -b ? |
| 13:47.54 | FabParma | stew, im afraid to be unable to exlain me correctly, ill retry |
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| 13:48.14 | kspath | Angels2: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search mail |
| 13:48.32 | blujay | XSoul: I don't know, I think those two do pretty much the same thing...although apt-src may do more dependency stuff...I recommend trying apt-src first |
| 13:48.39 | Angels2 | kspath: thanks alot |
| 13:49.25 | blujay | Angels2: try also $dpkg --search /usr/bin/mail |
| 13:49.37 | XSoul | blujay then in my way . i will chroot . will install from scratch basic system then apt-build or apt-src . then will see the results . |
| 13:49.44 | blujay | XSoul: ok, good luck |
| 13:49.54 | XSoul | thank you all .. |
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| 13:52.37 | dak | be nice if apt-build worked |
| 13:52.37 | FabParma | i seen in many distors that the defaul desktop environment is always GNOME. For "default" i mean that after the login is Gnome that starts. Why this choice, is KDE less stable or what? |
| 13:52.58 | Ronin | FabParma: why not gnome? |
| 13:53.02 | stew | FabParma: by default. debian doesn't install a desktop at all. |
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| 13:53.07 | dak | FabParma: its whatever you want to use, kde is pretty stable |
| 13:53.07 | FabParma | stew, i seen in many distors that the defaul desktop environment is always GNOME. For "default" i mean that after the login is Gnome that starts. Why this choice, is KDE less stable or what? |
| 13:53.07 | blujay | FabParma: it was probably an arbitrary decision...like I said, look in the mailing list archives or just accept it |
| 13:53.52 | dak | you can remove gnome and install kde if you want fabparma |
| 13:54.07 | signature16 | how do i know what the hard drive just add to my system will be named? will log/messages show it? |
| 13:54.30 | blujay | signature16: probably |
| 13:54.30 | nStensen | Servname not supported for ai_socktype .. <-- does anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 13:54.31 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.47 | blujay | nStensen: what did that come from? |
| 13:54.54 | dak | will show all the hardware at boot |
| 13:55.04 | stew | FabParma: stop repeating. i've told you several times that there is no default desktop environment. the default desktop environment in debian is not to have one at all |
| 13:55.21 | nStensen | blujay: well, when I try to use ntpdate, and when I run telnet localhost pop3 |
| 13:55.22 | dak | signature16: cat /var/log/dmseg |
| 13:55.37 | kspath | FabParma: There was a time when QT was going to be an issue. That is not an issue anymore. Study GNOME and KDE if you want to know about them and their history. |
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| 13:55.56 | blujay | nStensen: and I assume neither of those operations work after that? |
| 13:56.10 | nStensen | blujay: nope, they exit after that error |
| 13:56.19 | blujay | nStensen: what distro are you running? |
| 13:56.27 | nStensen | debian sarge |
| 13:56.40 | blujay | nStensen: are you up-to-date on it? |
| 13:57.00 | nStensen | apt-get dist-upgrade -> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:57.05 | kspath | nStensen: Did you modify anything at all? |
| 13:57.07 | stew | FabParma: if you are talking about other distros that aren't debian, then that question is off topic here, ask in channels specific to those distros or in ##linux |
| 13:57.17 | blujay | nStensen: I assume you apt-get updated first, right? :) |
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| 13:57.26 | nStensen | blujay: yes offcourse ;) |
| 13:57.31 | nStensen | kspath: not really |
| 13:57.31 | dak | wow been connected for almost a month |
| 13:57.36 | blujay | nStensen: have you always gotten that error? |
| 13:57.47 | Andy_CARP | what is the maximum MTU that can I configure in a ethernet conexion between 2 debian boxes? |
| 13:57.50 | FabParma | stew, i mean debian |
| 13:57.51 | nStensen | no, I came after this re-install |
| 13:58.02 | blujay | nStensen: what reinstall? |
| 13:58.02 | stew | FabParma: then you've got your answer |
| 13:58.09 | lord_rob | is there a program to burn an iso image to a cd other than cdrecord ? |
| 13:58.14 | nStensen | blujay: it's a VPS ;) they re-installed it this morning for me |
| 13:58.17 | blujay | lord_rob: k3b is nice |
| 13:58.22 | stew | Andy_CARP: that depends on whether the cards involved support "Jumbo frames" |
| 13:58.30 | blujay | nStensen: well, that's a different matter... |
| 13:58.30 | lord_rob | blujay: I know but it uses cdrecord |
| 13:58.33 | kspath | Andy_CARP: MTU is not a debian question. That is a networking protocol choice. |
| 13:58.39 | FabParma | stew, thank you, i have understood, but thank you anyway |
| 13:58.43 | blujay | lord_rob: oh...is there a reason you can't use cdrecord? |
| 13:58.57 | dak | its prolly fine at 1500 andy |
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| 13:59.17 | stew | Andy_CARP: if either of the two cards does not support jumbo frames, the max is 1500, otherwise you can go much bigger but how big is dependent on the hardware, and the drivers. |
| 13:59.23 | blujay | nStensen: you should probably talk to your host...maybe there's some peculiarity... |
| 13:59.23 | nStensen | blujay: what should I do ? |
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| 13:59.35 | blujay | nStensen: I assume you've googled for that error? |
| 13:59.46 | nStensen | blujay: yes, but I cant find out how to fix it |
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| 13:59.54 | blujay | nStensen: did you find any references to it at all? |
| 13:59.57 | lord_rob | blujay: it fails on my thinkpad, I have a very long error log displayed and I don't understand it |
| 14:00.02 | Andy_CARP | stew thanks |
| 14:00.02 | deuce868 | anyone point me to instructions on connecting to Procurve switch via serial on a debian box? Google only pulls up connect terminals to a Linux server. |
| 14:00.15 | blujay | lord_rob: paste the log into a pastebin and then link to it here |
| 14:00.18 | kspath | dak: Some people try to implement "special" services/protocols and try to use tiny or LARGE messages to maximize through put or maximize responsiveness/consistency. |
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| 14:00.52 | dak | well if he was running one of those "special" services wouldnt the doc's tell him what to set it at ? |
| 14:00.55 | stew | Andy_CARP: also note, if there is a switch in between the two the switch needs to support jumbo frames. and those switches are rare. generally they need to be the "cut through" variety and not the "store and forward" variety |
| 14:01.00 | nStensen | blujay: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2004/11/msg00148.html ? etc. ? |
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| 14:02.09 | blujay | nStensen: ok, did you read the suggested replacement for that error message? |
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| 14:02.16 | locus | the partition table should always be set to the same values for C, H and S that are written on the disk sticker, correct? |
| 14:02.24 | nStensen | yes, but Im not sure how I can fix it |
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| 14:02.45 | tomplast | can anyone tell me why nvtv only outputs grayscale on my tv? |
| 14:02.55 | Andy_CARP | stew I´m using a cross cable |
| 14:03.14 | blujay | nStensen: $dpkg --search /etc/services; returns netbase as the package. I'd recommend reinstalling that package, maybe that will help. |
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| 14:03.41 | nStensen | blujay: just tried :( |
| 14:03.46 | blujay | locus: I would guess so, but it probably depends on things like the BIOS age, how Linux has to access the disk... |
| 14:03.49 | dak | andy google your nics then and see what the max mtu is? |
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| 14:03.58 | blujay | nStensen: try purging the package and then installing it |
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| 14:04.37 | nStensen | is it possible to purge it and not remove all the other packages that depend on it? |
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| 14:04.53 | blujay | nStensen: yes, $dpkg --force-depends --purge netbase; |
| 14:04.54 | locus | blujay, Im just getting weird errors when creating a filesystem and I am not sure if they are caused by a wrong partition table or a dieing disk |
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| 14:05.02 | blujay | locus: what errors? |
| 14:05.17 | dak | dpkg --force-help |
| 14:05.49 | locus | status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 14:06.02 | locus | error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=570874, sector=570874 |
| 14:06.13 | Angels2 | smartcheck your disk i would say |
| 14:06.13 | blujay | locus: um...uncorrectableerror isn't weird...just bad :) |
| 14:06.22 | stew | locus: either your cable or your drive is going [has gone?] bad. whichever is the culprit will need to be replace now |
| 14:06.22 | blujay | locus: hold on a sec |
| 14:06.29 | pakito | tu mare |
| 14:06.33 | dak | yeah iv seen that before i think just before i had a disk failure |
| 14:06.37 | sussudio | locus: i had those right before my harddisk died |
| 14:06.44 | stew | s/before/after/ |
| 14:06.50 | locus | sounds good, sussudio :) |
| 14:06.51 | blujay | locus: run $smartctl -a /dev/hdwhatever |
| 14:06.55 | sussudio | stew: no, before. |
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| 14:07.03 | blujay | locus: look at the SMART data, see if it's really dying |
| 14:07.05 | stew | sussudio: s/before/during/ :) |
| 14:07.13 | sussudio | stew: i managed to copy all the data off it. |
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| 14:07.22 | locus | blujay, ok thanks, gonna try that |
| 14:07.23 | lord_rob | blujay: I have started "cdrecord myiso.iso" on a shell and that seems to work. So it could be a k3b related problem. I have already filed a bug report for k3b using kde bugzilla; If burning works using cdrecord directly, I'll tell that to the bugzilla |
| 14:07.24 | stew | sussudio: oh really. i think you might be lucky there |
| 14:07.26 | gunixu | hmmm |
| 14:07.35 | dak | heh |
| 14:07.37 | sussudio | stew: it was Piggy's old harddisk, a quantum bigfoot 6GB |
| 14:07.39 | gunixu | ok i'm now hitting another bump in the road. |
| 14:07.43 | dak | r/set |
| 14:07.51 | blujay | lord_rob: is your k3b package up to date? have you run k3bsetup2? |
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| 14:08.04 | gunixu | error this time when trying to make xconfig is, Error in startup script: invalid command name 'button' |
| 14:08.19 | blujay | gunixu: you're trying to build a kernel? |
| 14:08.20 | stew | sussudio: i still have 2 of those in servers. i love those disks, becuase they don't make me go searching for 3.5->5" adapters :) |
| 14:08.28 | gunixu | blujay: learning to yes. |
| 14:08.35 | blujay | gunixu: ok...can I ask why, though? |
| 14:08.40 | lord_rob | blujay: I'm using sid so I assume it is; k3bsetup2 not sure but I can clear cdrws under k3b |
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| 14:08.54 | blujay | lord_rob: well, what error do you get when burning with k3b? |
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| 14:09.37 | gunixu | bluejay: i've read some sites that the kernel i'm using (2.4.20-6) is rather insecure and the one i wish to install 2.4.32 run's a hell of a lot better with cpanel. |
| 14:09.48 | sussudio | how is a belt tray loading mechanism better or worse than direct drive in a dvd-rom? is it just a question of wear or what? |
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| 14:10.08 | lord_rob | blujay: it displays "input/output error (unimportant error) twice then fails and eject the cdrom drive. I first used a CDR and it become a coaster |
| 14:10.13 | blujay | gunixu: ok but is your 2.4.20-6 kernel from Sarge? |
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| 14:10.34 | blujay | lord_rob: did you look in your system logs to see if there are any more detailed errors? |
| 14:10.38 | lord_rob | blujay: There's a long long bug report of cdrecord I don't remeber also |
| 14:10.42 | mario__ | hello all :) |
| 14:10.52 | blujay | lord_rob: perhaps if you can post that longer error we can help |
| 14:10.56 | blujay | mario__: hi |
| 14:10.59 | lord_rob | blujay: but I've pasted it with k3b bug report |
| 14:11.04 | blujay | lord_rob: ok |
| 14:11.27 | blujay | lord_rob: it might be better to report it to the Debian BTS though, rather than directly to k3b |
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| 14:11.58 | blujay | gunixu: remember, Debian fixes security problems, even if the *version* number isn't the latest...that is, if you're using one of the supported kernels |
| 14:12.00 | Caeies[taff] | k I solve by using udev from sid ... |
| 14:12.14 | Caeies[taff] | style some errors, but at least, I'm able to boot |
| 14:12.29 | blujay | gunixu: generally it's better to use the Debian kernels unless you need to compile your own |
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| 14:12.56 | abrotman | sussudio: piggy died? |
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| 14:13.01 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
| 14:13.05 | lord_rob | blujay: ideally yes, but I cannot use reportbug tool :/ I cannot configure my MTA properly |
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| 14:13.16 | blujay | locus: you may want to use smartmon and logcheck to monitor the SMART status of your drives |
| 14:13.23 | gunixu | blujay: i wish to learn. |
| 14:13.29 | blujay | lord_rob: use your ISP's SMTP server with reportbug |
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| 14:13.54 | blujay | gunixu: well that's good enough :) but if I were you I'd compile the stock Debian kernel first, rather than configuring your own vanilla kernel |
| 14:13.58 | lord_rob | blujay: CD has been burnt successfully using cdrecord directly |
| 14:14.02 | blujay | lord_rob: good |
| 14:14.07 | lord_rob | indeed |
| 14:14.48 | blujay | gunixu: with all the choices, it's easy to make a wrong choice and end up compiling a kernel that has something you don't need, or doesn't have something you need |
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| 14:15.47 | blujay | gunixu: btw, is this for a server or a desktop? |
| 14:15.48 | mario__ | I've got a poweredge machine and I'm installing Sarge amd64 port but I cannot install grub (or lilo) on my system, the error message is "Fatal Error" and grub-install /dev/sda say: "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 14:16.12 | blujay | mario__: have you googled? |
| 14:16.24 | mario__ | yes, i did |
| 14:16.27 | stallaone | i have been doing 'apt-get upgrade' frequently but always, there are 100 packages not upgraded. does it mean that my installation is not proper? |
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| 14:16.46 | TheCryptic | I'm trying to install debian-31r2-i386-netinst to a laptop. Just as the install starts running the screen fades to white, then black, then the machine locks. Any ideas? |
| 14:16.56 | TheCryptic | Laptop - Compaq M300 |
| 14:16.59 | blujay | stallaone: eventually you will have to dist-upgrade to do all of them, but there's a possibility it could cause problems |
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| 14:17.10 | blujay | TheCryptic: how old is that laptop? |
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| 14:17.22 | lord_rob | blujay: "lord_rob: use your ISP's SMTP server with reportbug" How could I do that ? Doesn't reportbug use the defalut Mail Transfert Agent (MTA) ? |
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| 14:18.00 | evaded | TheCryptic: You need to enter an special cheatcode for you're screen, like on my Compaq Armada1750 |
| 14:18.05 | blujay | lord_rob: it can, or it can use any SMTP server... $less /etc/reportbug.conf; nano ~/.reportbugrc |
| 14:18.07 | stallaone | blujay: i am using etch. if my etch is proper, shouldm't i expect to have 0 not upgraded? |
| 14:18.11 | lord_rob | stallaone: use aptitude (apt-get install aptitude) |
| 14:18.24 | blujay | stallaone: no, not at all...etch is in flux, it's testing right now |
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| 14:18.43 | ifvoid | lord_rob: reportbug --smtphost=bla |
| 14:18.51 | evaded | TheCryptic: Have you look on 'linux on laptop' for you're model? |
| 14:18.58 | TheCryptic | wait... I think I got it... |
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| 14:19.18 | stallaone | blujay: so, any other etch installation would have that 100 not upgraded as mine? |
| 14:19.29 | blujay | stallaone: when was the last time you dist-upgraded? |
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| 14:19.38 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 14:19.44 | blujay | stallaone: do you understand the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 14:19.45 | blujay | hi yoo |
| 14:19.46 | yoo | SOmebody can help me with afio ? |
| 14:19.49 | yoo | please |
| 14:19.55 | yoo | :) |
| 14:19.57 | blujay | yoo: only if you tell us what the problem is |
| 14:20.03 | stallaone | blujay: i started off with etch and has stayed with it. no dist-upgrade. |
| 14:20.07 | yoo | blujay, i havez not problem |
| 14:20.08 | Gnea | finally |
| 14:20.15 | blujay | stallaone: and when did you first install it? |
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| 14:20.21 | yoo | just i don't understand why do control file |
| 14:20.23 | gunixu | bluejay: i would eventually turn it into a server :P |
| 14:20.24 | yoo | with afio |
| 14:20.31 | blujay | gunixu: well, why 2.4 then? why not 2.6? |
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| 14:20.59 | blujay | yoo: I don't know what afio is, but unless you ask a question, no one can answer it |
| 14:21.03 | gunixu | blujay: what would the difference be in regards to the compilation proceedure ? |
| 14:21.04 | gunixu | sp |
| 14:21.04 | stallaone | blujay: could be 6 months ago. dist-upgrade is when u go from stable to testing to unstable. |
| 14:21.04 | gunixu | ? |
| 14:21.16 | blujay | stallaone: no, that's not the real difference |
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| 14:21.28 | blujay | stallaone: you should $ man apt-get; and read about the difference |
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| 14:21.40 | petemc | stallaone: eh? |
| 14:21.53 | blujay | gunixu: 2.6 is newer and better in some ways, so why use 2.4? is there a reason to? |
| 14:21.53 | stallaone | petemc: eh?? |
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| 14:22.10 | petemc | stallaone: you're giving out false information |
| 14:22.24 | stallaone | petemc: like what? |
| 14:22.36 | petemc | stallaone: what you just said about dist-upgrade |
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| 14:22.49 | gunixu | blujay: guess, not. |
| 14:22.50 | blujay | petemc: I asked if he knew the difference, he didn't just blurt it out |
| 14:22.59 | blujay | gunixu: well, give 2.6 a try if you want |
| 14:23.02 | gunixu | blyjay: what 2.6 kernel is ideal would you think ? |
| 14:23.09 | petemc | blujay: ah, right - context is everything |
| 14:23.09 | gunixu | what == which |
| 14:23.10 | stallaone | petemc: i am not saying that that is the truth. that is what i thought it to be. |
| 14:23.12 | blujay | gunixu: do you want Sarge or testing/unstable? |
| 14:23.16 | petemc | stallaone: apologies |
| 14:23.24 | stallaone | petemc: np. |
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| 14:23.37 | gunixu | i want a 2.6 kernel that will build on deb (stable) and a rh9 box |
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| 14:23.49 | blujay | gunixu: you're mixing Debian and RH? |
| 14:23.57 | gunixu | i have both |
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| 14:24.01 | blujay | gunixu: why? =) |
| 14:24.05 | yoo | SOmebody know how to put a headers with date on afio backup ? |
| 14:24.08 | yoo | with option D |
| 14:24.14 | blujay | yoo: have you tried Google? |
| 14:24.19 | yoo | yes |
| 14:24.50 | blujay | yoo: have you read the man page? |
| 14:24.51 | petemc | yoo: file-`date +%Y%m%d` |
| 14:24.51 | yoo | but not a lot off doc about afio control files |
| 14:24.51 | gunixu | blujay: because, i would like to learn the in's and out of kernel compilation (or a lot more atleast anyhow :P) |
| 14:24.55 | petemc | yoo: oh, headers |
| 14:25.00 | petemc | im really not paying attention |
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| 14:25.08 | stallaone | blujay: since we are in the chat now, tell me, what would happen to my installation if i do a dist-grade? |
| 14:25.09 | blujay | gunixu: well, you can compile a kernel The Debian Way or... :) |
| 14:25.10 | gunixu | blujay: do i require a reason ? |
| 14:25.24 | stallaone | i mean dist-upgrade. |
| 14:25.28 | gunixu | blujay: i want to do it manually |
| 14:25.42 | blujay | stallaone: well it would probably upgrade the rest of the packages, but it will remove/add packages to do so. be sure to read the list and make sure it's not removing anything you need before you say yes. |
| 14:26.02 | blujay | gunixu: well, there's some nice info on the Debian wiki about compiling kernels, I recommend you start there... |
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| 14:26.15 | stallaone | blujay: thks. |
| 14:26.21 | blujay | stallaone: you're welcome |
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| 14:26.47 | yoo | blujay, yes |
| 14:26.47 | yoo | i just know thet is the option D |
| 14:26.48 | yoo | but i'm french and my english is bad |
| 14:26.56 | gunixu | blujay: i'm early their. What 2.6 ver do you suggest ? |
| 14:26.56 | yoo | petemc, i look |
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| 14:26.58 | blujay | yoo: sorry, I really don't know anything about afio |
| 14:27.04 | yoo | ok :) |
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| 14:27.08 | gunixu | for all roung compatability between rh9 and deb |
| 14:27.41 | blujay | gunixu: um...well, I really don't know what you mean by "compatibility between RH9 and Debian"...are you wanting to compile a kernel on Debian and then install it on RH? |
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| 14:28.14 | gunixu | i would like to use the same kernel on both the deb and rh box |
| 14:28.27 | blujay | gunixu: why? and what is each box's purpose? |
| 14:29.11 | srart | anyone ever had X (org) say hardware already been used (trying to get ati dri going) |
| 14:29.23 | gunixu | blujay: i will eventually build them into web servers once i gain a stable release. I want to utilise the same kernel so i don't have dif package version's laying around causing havoc and dependencies left right and center. |
| 14:30.01 | srart | blujay: won't alien handle putting the kernel into both? |
| 14:30.07 | blujay | gunixu: ok, two more questions... 1. why two different distros? 2. what do you mean about havoc and dependencies? it's a kernel |
| 14:30.21 | blujay | srart: are you suggesting to install a RH kernel RPM on Debian with alien? |
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| 14:30.48 | srart | more the other way, make-kpkg, then alien on RH |
| 14:31.09 | Gnea | srart: why? |
| 14:31.09 | arunkumaran | hi room |
| 14:31.10 | blujay | srart: I really know very little about RH, but I would not expect a Debian kernel package to install properly on RH at all |
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| 14:31.21 | Gnea | 07:31 -!- There is no such nick room |
| 14:31.27 | arunkumaran | i jus now downloaded the iso image of first cd |
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| 14:31.34 | arunkumaran | burnt it n tried to install |
| 14:31.36 | r_marvin | hello |
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| 14:31.46 | arunkumaran | i get an error stating that a file is improper |
| 14:31.55 | Gnea | arunkumaran: which file? |
| 14:31.56 | srart | Gnea: because gunix wan't same kernel on two differend distros, for what ever reason. |
| 14:31.57 | gunixu | blujay: why not? i would like to see the difference in stability / problematic issues that may arrise and maybe provide support for those users looking at either OS or kernel version. 2. havoc meaning packages that are required by the kernel at compile time like gcc, ncurses etc.. Dependencies being those that are Erronious apon compilation. |
| 14:32.01 | arunkumaran | do i need to download the whole thing again |
| 14:32.04 | gunixu | sp |
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| 14:32.12 | Gnea | srart: gunix? |
| 14:32.30 | srart | another person in the room |
| 14:32.37 | blujay | gunixu: ok, if you really want to use two different distros, I recommend you use the kernel source packages that come from each distro, and not bother with vanilla kernels |
| 14:32.43 | arunkumaran | gunix:my query |
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| 14:32.48 | Gnea | arunkumaran: did you interrupt and resume the download of the iso at some point? |
| 14:32.59 | arunkumaran | gnea:nope |
| 14:33.04 | blujay | gunixu: vendors add security fixes and choose compile options for good reasons, why throw that out by using vanilla kernels? |
| 14:33.12 | Gnea | arunkumaran: odd |
| 14:33.14 | locus | blujay, dd'ing if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda seemed to solve my hard drive problem |
| 14:33.31 | locus | fyi ;) |
| 14:33.34 | blujay | locus: well...er...cool...although that wipes the disk :) did you find any SMART errors with smartctl? |
| 14:33.35 | mentor | What do I use to play MPEG4 audio with gstreamer? |
| 14:33.46 | arunkumaran | gnea:so should i try to burn into a new cd n try again |
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| 14:33.53 | blujay | mentor: it may depend on gstreamer 0.8 vs 0.10...have you googled? |
| 14:34.01 | Gnea | arunkumaran: of all of the thousands of people to come in here, you are the first that i have heard have this problem |
| 14:34.08 | gunixu | blujay: vanilla kernels is exactly what i need... |
| 14:34.09 | gunixu | hmmmm |
| 14:34.12 | stew | locus: seriously, check smartmontools. that drive isn't likely to last much longer |
| 14:34.13 | Gnea | arunkumaran: it could be the media itself - yeah, try another |
| 14:34.17 | blujay | gunixu: why? really, why? |
| 14:34.40 | arunkumaran | gnea:if it doesnt work ll hav to download again |
| 14:34.48 | blujay | gunixu: if you want web servers, then you probably want security, and if you want security, why use vanilla kernels? (hehehe) |
| 14:34.51 | locus | stew, I did |
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| 14:35.44 | srart | anyone know what room would be good for asking an Xorg question? (my room list won't show) |
| 14:35.47 | blujay | locus: did you find any smart errors? |
| 14:35.49 | gunixu | blujay: because i can as sure as shit tell you the amount of users that would love to have a vanilla kernel that is stable and secure and will compile on all of their favourite OS's |
| 14:35.52 | gunixu | do you not think so ? |
| 14:36.03 | blujay | gunixu: um...well, no I don't, really |
| 14:36.15 | Gnea | arunkumaran: make sure to check the md5sums |
| 14:36.19 | blujay | gunixu: simply, there's rarely a good reason to compile your own kernels |
| 14:36.23 | gunixu | blujay: ummm, ok. I'll continue on my quest. Watever that may be :P |
| 14:36.25 | krassy1809 | I need to resize my root ext3 partition i have a unpartitioned space phisicaly after my root partition . When i try to do this with "parted" hi say "the partition need to be unmounted".Can i unmount the root partition and can parted start after this ? |
| 14:36.26 | locus | blujay, the wipe is no problem since its one of my FAI servers...well smart reported alot of things but nothing really bad |
| 14:36.32 | Zokei | uehehaae |
| 14:36.33 | arunkumaran | gnea:if there is an error wats de way out |
| 14:36.34 | blujay | gunixu: even if you need to do make a small change, you should start with the vendor kernel |
| 14:36.49 | blujay | locus: well, if it's an important disk, you should use smartmon and logcheck |
| 14:36.52 | mentor | blujay: Google seems to indicate FAAD...which doesn't appear to be in debian |
| 14:36.52 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- is it possible to setup a cron job that runs every 10 seconds or is every minute the best cron can do? |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | krassy1809: liveCD |
| 14:36.54 | srart | krassy1809: using knoppix or some other live cd you can. |
| 14:37.01 | abrotman | SexyKen: one minute is the lowest |
| 14:37.08 | blujay | mentor: use the marillat repo |
| 14:37.12 | Gnea | arunkumaran: rm the iso, download it again from another site, hope it doesn't fry again |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | SexyKen: if you need more often .. write a script |
| 14:37.16 | locus | blujay, but im not completely sure because I didnt unterstand everything |
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| 14:37.29 | abrotman | ok .. who killed the bot? |
| 14:37.32 | blujay | locus: just be aware that the disk could fail soon |
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| 14:37.39 | SexyKen | abrotman: I'm not sure how...could you explain? |
| 14:37.45 | gunixu | blujay: thanks for your time. |
| 14:37.47 | mentor | blujay: ugh |
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| 14:37.50 | blujay | gunixu: np, good luck |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | SexyKen: you would write a script .. you know .. with vi :) |
| 14:37.59 | blujay | mentor: ugh? why ugh? it's very simple |
| 14:38.05 | SexyKen | What would the script do that would manipulate cron? |
| 14:38.14 | locus | blujay, yes I will...thanks |
| 14:38.23 | mentor | blujay: I'm just wondering what the licensing issue is :) |
| 14:38.29 | FallOnMe | !lastlog SexyKen |
| 14:38.29 | gunixu | sp |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | SexyKen: no .. you would write a script |
| 14:38.35 | blujay | mentor: *shrug* probably a dumb patent issue |
| 14:38.36 | FallOnMe | rats |
| 14:38.40 | gunixu | :p |
| 14:38.43 | SexyKen | :-) |
| 14:38.43 | mentor | blujay: yeah. ugh. |
| 14:38.51 | blujay | mentor: but I know that libfaad2-0 2.0.0-0.7 is on ftp.nerim.net |
| 14:38.55 | SexyKen | abrotman that does what |
| 14:39.15 | FallOnMe | SexyKen: write a script that does something 6 times every 10 secs. |
| 14:39.16 | gunixu | actually blujay |
| 14:39.21 | gunixu | you never answered my question |
| 14:39.26 | blujay | gunixu: oops, what was it? |
| 14:39.27 | SexyKen | Ah. |
| 14:39.28 | SexyKen | I see. |
| 14:39.31 | SexyKen | Hrm. |
| 14:39.33 | gunixu | which ver of the kern 2.6 do you suggest ? |
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| 14:39.44 | FallOnMe | SexyKen: or that does it forever |
| 14:39.45 | dmesg | hi |
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| 14:39.55 | dmesg | any one knows how can i install perl? |
| 14:39.56 | nethenson | hi |
| 14:40.09 | blujay | gunixu: well, here's the thing...if you want security, you should use the kernel version supported by your distro. if you insist on a vanilla kernel, well, if you want security...use the latest one, I would think |
| 14:40.19 | stew | dmesg: its part of every debian install already |
| 14:40.32 | dmesg | stew ahh ok :D |
| 14:40.44 | stew | dmesg: its a required package. the package maangement system wouldn't work without it |
| 14:40.45 | gunixu | blujay: once, again ta. |
| 14:40.50 | blujay | gunixu: yw |
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| 14:40.57 | gunixu | ga |
| 14:41.09 | blujay | gunixu: ga...ga? |
| 14:41.11 | dmesg | stew ah ok thank you :) |
| 14:41.30 | lazzarello | how do I ask the 2.6 kernel what scheduler it's using? |
| 14:41.47 | stallaone | the latest version for gcc for etch is 4.0.2. mplayer compilation requires 4.0.3. where to get it? |
| 14:42.04 | marcool | lazzarello: "/mng kernel "what scheduler are you running" ... (that's a joke by the way ...) |
| 14:42.09 | blujay | stallaone: $apt-cache policy gcc |
| 14:42.12 | stew | !info gcc unstable |
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| 14:42.32 | marcool | !info gcc unstable |
| 14:42.39 | stew | are we botless? |
| 14:42.45 | stallaone | !info gcc unstable |
| 14:42.51 | krassy1809 | abortman: if i run parted in tty2 and then from tty3 i unmount root partition next i will return to tty2 an do resize --WILL THIS WORK ? |
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| 14:42.55 | marcool | stew: look's like it |
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| 14:43.04 | stew | ravenbird is working on it |
| 14:43.13 | stew | dondelelcaro: we seem to have lost dpkg. thanks |
| 14:43.14 | stephelton | aperture is the term for debian's package manager right? |
| 14:43.16 | nethenson | If i download a kernel and patch it (e.g. with l7-firewall patches)... when a new kernel security update appears in the repository.. will my vmlinuz get overwritten, will I be warned or something? |
| 14:43.20 | thingfish | apt seems ok |
| 14:43.25 | ravenbird | stew: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:43.38 | marcool | krassy1809: that sound mighty risky to me ! |
| 14:43.42 | stew | stallaone: in any case, gcc in unstable is 4.0.3-3 |
| 14:43.50 | blujay | stephelton: no... apt...there is also aptitude, which is different |
| 14:43.52 | stallaone | stew: thks. |
| 14:44.05 | blujay | stephelton: aperture is Apple's photo-managing app |
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| 14:44.09 | stew | stallaone: is there a reason you are compiling mplayer instead of just using marillat's packages? |
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| 14:44.20 | stew | <ravenbird> Package 'gcc' does not exist. |
| 14:44.21 | stew | yeah right |
| 14:44.35 | lazzarello | I'm thinking the default scheduler in the sarge kernel is not optimized for busy multi-proc servers. how do I ask the kernel what scheduler it's using? |
| 14:44.43 | stephelton | blujay, oh ok. i was reading an article on slashdot about apple and aperture and i knew i had heard that term before... thanks |
| 14:44.45 | blujay | nethenson: that depends on whether you actually install the new Debian kernel |
| 14:44.52 | stallaone | stew: to get the latest, to have the most codecs. |
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| 14:44.57 | blujay | lazzarello: are you using an smp kernel? |
| 14:45.00 | lazzarello | yes |
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| 14:45.03 | blujay | stephelton: np |
| 14:45.05 | gunixu | blujay: i have a query... May i? |
| 14:45.09 | marcool | lazzarello: can't you do a make xconfig and take a look at what mods and drivers are loaded ? |
| 14:45.12 | blujay | lazzarello: then why do you think that? |
| 14:45.18 | marcool | lazzarello: and what options are selected |
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| 14:45.25 | blujay | gunixu: I wouldn't be in here if I didn't want to be asked :) |
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| 14:45.39 | gunixu | blujay: with this 2.4.32 kernel, i can't seem to find 2.4.32 kernel headers |
| 14:45.43 | gunixu | suggestion...? |
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| 14:45.46 | stallaone | stew: is that a valid reason? |
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| 14:45.53 | blujay | gunixu: where did you acquire the kernel? |
| 14:45.54 | stew | stallaone: ok, just wanted to make sure you were aware that prebuilt packages exist |
| 14:45.58 | tombs | hi all |
| 14:46.00 | lazzarello | blujay, because the former SMP kernel was from a "server" distro and had much better uptime. I noticed the kernel in sarge is compiled with pre-emption and all three schedulers. |
| 14:46.12 | gunixu | blujay: kernel.org |
| 14:46.20 | stallaone | bye folks. gotta sign-off. |
| 14:46.22 | blujay | lazzarello: better uptime? you mean you're getting crashes and having to reboot? |
| 14:46.23 | marcool | tombs: hi ya' |
| 14:46.27 | lazzarello | blujay, yes |
| 14:46.36 | lazzarello | only under very heavy load and memory usage. |
| 14:46.36 | blujay | gunixu: sorry, I don't know the answer. I do know that it's easy if you use Debian packages :) |
| 14:46.41 | nethenson | blujay: so the best thing would be remove kernel-image, apt-get debian-sources, patch and make install? |
| 14:46.46 | lazzarello | it's when swapping happens |
| 14:46.53 | Knight_Lord | gunixu why do you want the headers? |
| 14:46.54 | blujay | lazzarello: I would think that would be a hardware problem, not a kernel scheduler problem |
| 14:47.12 | Knight_Lord | gunixu they are inside the file your downloaded from kernel.org |
| 14:47.15 | blujay | nethenson: um...well I think if you remove kernel-image that will remove the kernel...making it unbootable? I could be wrong... |
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| 14:47.26 | krassy1809 | i only have a first of installation disks on Suse - there have option for recovery boot or something , CAN i boot from there and run parted ? |
| 14:47.36 | lazzarello | blujay, it's not. the previous "server-centric" distro's kernel did not perform like this |
| 14:47.39 | blujay | nethenson: you may want to look into apt-src, and apt-build, which have facilities for automatically upgrading the stock sources, patching them, and building them |
| 14:47.51 | blujay | lazzarello: I see...well, I'm not an expert in this area :) |
| 14:47.56 | gunixu | blujay: because i've got some error dependencies which i belive are related to a mismatch of kernel-headers |
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| 14:48.19 | blujay | gunixu: sorry, that's the kind of problem you get when you do it all by hand |
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| 14:48.52 | stew | lazzarello: if you are running a 2.6 kernel you can switch the scheduler by passing a command line option to the kernel check Documentation/kerenl-parmeters.txt in the kernel source tree |
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| 14:49.55 | dmesg | help http://pastebin.com/685014 |
| 14:50.59 | gunixu | i tell you what i'm about to throw this peace of shit box in the bin. |
| 14:51.05 | gunixu | bloody redhat |
| 14:51.06 | gunixu | i tell ya. |
| 14:51.13 | nethenson | blujay: reading man apt-src , thanks :) |
| 14:51.24 | blujay | nethenson: good luck, never actually tried that, but I've read about it :) |
| 14:51.34 | blujay | gunixu: Debian is better :) |
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| 14:51.56 | abrotman | krassy1809: no |
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| 14:52.34 | gunixu | blujay: i've ncurses 5.3.4 installed however make menuconfig is still asking for the libs |
| 14:52.37 | gunixu | bah |
| 14:52.41 | nethenson | blujay: If it works, and you come to Valladolid, Spain... i owe you a beer :) |
| 14:52.48 | blujay | nethenson: hehehe :) |
| 14:53.00 | Angels2 | gunixu: install the libs? :) |
| 14:53.02 | petemc | gunixu: i remember peterS telling you yesterday to use libncurses5-dev |
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| 14:53.21 | blujay | petemc: he's, uh...trying to do it on RH :) |
| 14:53.26 | petemc | oh |
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| 14:53.31 | petemc | why is he asking here then? |
| 14:53.32 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 14:53.41 | blujay | petemc: because he's also running a Debian box... |
| 14:53.50 | petemc | tenuous.. |
| 14:53.51 | gunixu | and rh channel is dead |
| 14:53.54 | blujay | petemc: he insists on being gray :) |
| 14:53.56 | spande | fdisk gets me 12GB, but when I mount it df -H shows 4GB. Using sarge. |
| 14:54.01 | gunixu | oh dear.. |
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| 14:54.12 | sugarmice | qui |
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| 14:54.25 | blujay | spande: is that a question? :) |
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| 14:55.06 | spande | blujay: the question is, how do I get 12 GBs worth? It only fills up to 4GB. |
| 14:55.26 | blujay | spande: so you're saying, you made a new partition, formatted it, and then it only shows 4GB of free space? |
| 14:56.14 | gunixu | sorry to ask guys |
| 14:56.27 | gunixu | but do you know of any fuller ncurser package for rh ? |
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| 14:56.35 | gunixu | if not just tell me to shush |
| 14:56.46 | gunixu | i'll subside with the parting users... |
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| 14:56.54 | blujay | shush, this is the Debian channel :) leave the dark side and use only Debian *waves hand* |
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| 14:57.07 | spande | some history: Originally had three partitions of 4GB. Wanted to rip a dvd to it, but needed just a bit more than 8GB (which I had on another partition). So used fdisk to join up 3 4GB partitions. Bizarrely, the fdisk suggests it should be 12GB, but df -H shows (and behaviour shows) 4GB. |
| 14:57.12 | gunixu | i use it but i get too lazy |
| 14:57.15 | gunixu | bigtime lazy |
| 14:57.31 | gunixu | now i can't even remember who created linux. |
| 14:57.38 | nethenson | is there a package for hello_world.c or something like that? I'd like to practice with apt-src , patch, apt-build,... |
| 14:57.40 | blujay | spande: um...maybe something went wrong |
| 14:57.56 | blujay | spande: why don't you wipe out the partitions and recreate them |
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| 14:58.03 | blujay | spande: assuming you don't need the data on them |
| 14:58.21 | spande | blujay: b-b-but this is pure sarge, solid, stable sarge! should just work. |
| 14:58.28 | blujay | nethenson: just pick a small, simple package...I dunno...nano or something :) |
| 14:58.38 | blujay | spande: you're talking about merging partitions, it's easy to make a mistake |
| 14:58.52 | blujay | spande: if you want, post your $ fdisk -l /dev/... |
| 14:59.17 | spande | I don't need the data on the new parts. So I can rerun the fdisk stuff - but I have done that once already. I was wondering if someone wiser had heard of this sorta thing before? |
| 14:59.28 | blujay | spande: no offense, but it was probably human error |
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| 15:00.42 | spande | blujay : none taken, but fdisk automatically calculates the 1k block numbers for you, so there doesn't seem much scope for human error - sound more like a bug. |
| 15:01.04 | Silent_al | !lart silent_al |
| 15:01.14 | blujay | spande: did you resize the fs or recreate it from scratch? |
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| 15:02.11 | spande | blujay : just used fdisk, the d command on the partitions I wanted to delete, and n for new partition, let fdisk calculate new default start and finish values. |
| 15:02.23 | blujay | spande: wait a minute... |
| 15:02.31 | blujay | spande: you merged the partitions, but you didn't resize the filesystem?? |
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| 15:03.14 | spande | blujay : well, ran e2fsck on the new partition. |
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| 15:03.24 | blujay | spande: no, you have to resize it, not check it |
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| 15:03.46 | gau | hi |
| 15:03.55 | blujay | gau: hi |
| 15:03.59 | gau | i need help with grub |
| 15:04.07 | blujay | gau: ok |
| 15:04.21 | p1u70 | hi ,how to play wmv with vlc?thx |
| 15:04.23 | gunixu | i just don't see how i can have ncurses 5.3 rel 4 installed however the make menuconfig is spitting out dependencies. |
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| 15:04.28 | blujay | p1u70: try mplayer |
| 15:04.44 | gau | i reinstalled grub after i had some trouble with my mbr. now all i get is a grup> promt |
| 15:04.44 | p1u70 | emm.no source |
| 15:04.49 | spande | blujay: ah. I don't understand resize. Isn't that a feature of partitionmanagerlike wares? I thought fdisk and e2fsck is all you need if you are just merging the parts. |
| 15:04.52 | blujay | gunixu: these are the kinds of problems you get with rpms...do you enjoy banging your head against a brick wall? :) |
| 15:04.58 | gau | the root partition is still intact ... |
| 15:05.09 | blujay | spande: fdisk does not resize filesystems, perhaps some partition editors do |
| 15:05.10 | gunixu | bluejay: i will not let this conquer me. |
| 15:05.12 | gunixu | dmanit |
| 15:05.14 | gau | how do i try and fix this ? |
| 15:05.16 | blujay | spande: you need to use resize2fs |
| 15:05.22 | p1u70 | blujay thx |
| 15:05.26 | blujay | p1u70: yw |
| 15:05.54 | blujay | gau: maybe you need to run update-grub...but you'd need to boot the system first |
| 15:06.08 | spande | blujay: bless me, there is a resize2fs on my machine.... |
| 15:06.21 | cklaus | gau, get some bootable linux cd, mount your old root-disk and do a grub-reinstall while using your old grub-config .. |
| 15:06.22 | blujay | spande: it's part of the standard fs tools I think :) |
| 15:06.53 | blujay | spande: maybe qtparted resizes the filesystems...I think it does...but it also has some problems with partition tables...check the bug I filed in the BTS for more info |
| 15:07.06 | gau | blujay: ok let me try booting from my ubuntu disk ... (that's the only boot disk i have that handles reiserfs ...) debian 3.0 dosn't seem to handle reiserfs ... |
| 15:07.22 | blujay | gau: you are running woody? |
| 15:07.32 | gau | blujay: no sarge |
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| 15:07.44 | blujay | gau: oh, well, like clkaus said... |
| 15:07.48 | spande | spande : concept question: the e2fs has a size parameter associated with it. resize fixes it according to fdisk settings? |
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| 15:08.06 | cklaus | gau.. at grml.org you find a nice small rescue-cd.. |
| 15:08.10 | blujay | spande: you ask yourself? hehe j/k... I don't know, sorry...all I know is what shows up in the man page |
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| 15:08.22 | MatBoy | does someone has a clue for this in a Xinerama setup ? This is on 2 of the 3 screens both connected to a Matrox-card. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7436/black7cm.jpg |
| 15:08.29 | blujay | spande: I think you can find some how-tos on google |
| 15:08.31 | gau | cklaus let me check that out |
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| 15:08.59 | blujay | MatBoy: that only happens on one screen? |
| 15:09.28 | MatBoy | blujay, no on the 2 that are connected to a Matrox. The 3th is connected to a 6600LE |
| 15:09.37 | MatBoy | the 3th is my middle screen |
| 15:09.50 | blujay | MatBoy: what happens if you put half the window on the good screen, and half on the bad one? |
| 15:09.50 | abrotman | 3th? |
| 15:10.04 | MatBoy | third |
| 15:10.32 | MatBoy | blujay, Half of it is OK, half of it is the like the picture |
| 15:10.32 | spande | blujay: thanks. |
| 15:10.45 | blujay | MatBoy: are you using the latest drivers? |
| 15:10.50 | blujay | spande: np, good luck |
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| 15:11.52 | lazzarello | would a kernel compiled with preemption (for example the sarge kernel) hurt performance on a database server? |
| 15:12.18 | blujay | lazzarello: you mean the realtime preemption patches? (I'm getting over my head here) |
| 15:12.27 | abrotman | lazzarello: which version? |
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| 15:13.08 | lazzarello | abrotman, 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 15:13.31 | abrotman | lazzarello: i wouldn't do it .. supposedly they can make performance a lot worse under certain situations |
| 15:13.47 | MatBoy | blujay, I am. I'm running debian etch are they included ? |
| 15:13.51 | lazzarello | abrotman, I didn't do anything, it's compiled that way by default! |
| 15:14.07 | blujay | MatBoy: I guess so, but... what version of X are you using? |
| 15:14.10 | abrotman | lazzarello: i thought you added the external preempt patches |
| 15:14.16 | abrotman | the ones in the kernel should be fine |
| 15:14.20 | MatBoy | I have to check that |
| 15:14.32 | lazzarello | gm40:~# grep PREEMPT /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 15:14.32 | lazzarello | CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 15:14.42 | abrotman | no .. there are other preempt patches |
| 15:14.45 | gau | tnx blujay , cklaus |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | that's what i thought you were referring to |
| 15:14.51 | blujay | gau: np, good luck |
| 15:14.51 | lazzarello | okay, thanks |
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| 15:15.31 | jair | abrotman, If when sarge was announced as stable all the source list were changed to /sarge/ instead testing right so i was using stable and the security.org server could stay the same right? just with the /sarge/ as well. |
| 15:15.45 | gau | i wish they had named the command grub-reinstall or something though ;) it would have been easier to find |
| 15:15.49 | MatBoy | blujay, Debian 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 20060403233528 |
| 15:15.57 | lazzarello | abrotman, I'm asking because I'm having a hell of a time with the sarge kernel on busy servers. machines going into swap death and running out of network sockets. |
| 15:16.00 | abrotman | jair: eh? |
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| 15:16.19 | abrotman | lazzarello: well .. swap could be for other reasons .. how far are you into swap? |
| 15:16.25 | blujay | MatBoy: well, I guess you could try X 7.0 if you want, but who knows if that would help. Sorry, my best advice is to Google for info on the problem. |
| 15:16.31 | lazzarello | abrotman, 100% |
| 15:16.40 | blujay | lazzarello: how much RAM do they have? |
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| 15:16.49 | abrotman | lazzarello: how much RAM in the system? |
| 15:16.50 | jair | abrotman, now i forgot that a old laptop i was using use to be a sarge "testing" on that time and I did the apt-setup and add a mirror with the /testing instead of sarge and now is upgrading everything to testing and I think that will be etch : | |
| 15:16.52 | lazzarello | between 2 and 4 gigs. |
| 15:16.53 | gau | bye all |
| 15:16.55 | MatBoy | blujay, I'm searching for almost 4 days now :( |
| 15:17.01 | abrotman | jair: yes it will |
| 15:17.06 | jair | abrotman, hahaha |
| 15:17.07 | abrotman | lazzarello: holy poo .. what kind of database? |
| 15:17.12 | jair | abrotman, that is ok though |
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| 15:17.13 | stew | MatBoy: can you put your xorg.conf into a pastebin? |
| 15:17.19 | blujay | lazzarello: limit the number of db connections? |
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| 15:17.31 | blujay | MatBoy: sorry, I know nothing about Matrox |
| 15:17.39 | lazzarello | abrotman, MySQL. a big inefficient one with lots of Perl scripts running to batch jobs. |
| 15:17.45 | BucWheat | hi gang i've installed openoffice.org via apt-get and gtklp and i cannot print from within openoffice |
| 15:17.48 | jair | abrotman, on that laptop I wanted to experiemt testing when sarge was in testing, so it ok, should i do any chnages in the security line? |
| 15:17.55 | lazzarello | but still, it's actually running out of memory and not recovering! |
| 15:17.58 | BucWheat | i can print from firefox though. what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:18.00 | abrotman | !tell jair about testing security |
| 15:18.01 | blujay | lazzarello: maybe before you go into kernel changing you should try to find out what process is actually sucking up your memory |
| 15:18.01 | jair | abrotman, or I can leave it as it was |
| 15:18.02 | BucWheat | can anyone offer any help? |
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| 15:18.12 | blujay | BucWheat: using CUPS? |
| 15:18.13 | MatBoy | blujay, thanks for the help ! |
| 15:18.13 | jair | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:18.14 | lazzarello | blujay, that's not my job. |
| 15:18.17 | blujay | MatBoy: good luck |
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| 15:18.24 | blujay | lazzarello: what is your job then...? |
| 15:18.33 | abrotman | lazzarello: if you run top .. what's taking all the RAM? |
| 15:18.37 | BucWheat | blujay, yea. i also just noticed that apt-get installed O.O.o 1.1.3 |
| 15:18.42 | BucWheat | how do i apt-get the latest version? |
| 15:18.56 | blujay | BucWheat: what distro are you using? |
| 15:18.59 | lazzarello | to figure out why running Debian stable causes the system to die under the same workload when CentOS 4 didn't. |
| 15:19.01 | BucWheat | blujay, debian |
| 15:19.10 | blujay | BucWheat: stable, testing, unstable? |
| 15:19.12 | lazzarello | abrotman, Perl loves RAM. |
| 15:19.13 | MatBoy | blujay, I think I'm going to need it :D |
| 15:19.20 | abrotman | lazzarello: lots of things love RAM :) |
| 15:19.30 | BucWheat | blujay, stable |
| 15:19.31 | blujay | lazzarello: that's my point exactly, find out what process is causing the problem, maybe the kernel has nothing to do with it |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | lazzarello: if you run top .. and sort by RAM usage .. where is it all going? |
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| 15:19.55 | stew | lazzarello: you might want to alter you mysql config, /usr/share/doc/mysql-server[-4.1]/examples should have various possible configs |
| 15:19.56 | lazzarello | abrotman, to Perl |
| 15:20.06 | blujay | BucWheat: you'll need to use testing or unstable to get newer versions of OOO |
| 15:20.12 | stew | lazzarello: increasing the amount of memory that mysql is using might be helpful |
| 15:20.12 | spart | I'm currently running debian stable. I'd like to use the php5 packages in testing. What's my best options? (other than switching to testing) |
| 15:20.20 | stew | spart: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:20.26 | spart | stew thanks |
| 15:20.27 | abrotman | lazzarello: that must be some really bad perl |
| 15:20.29 | stew | spart: don't install testing packages onto stable |
| 15:20.36 | lazzarello | abrotman, that's the "not my job" part |
| 15:20.37 | BucWheat | blujay, is 2.0 in unstable or testing? what changes do i need to make in sources? |
| 15:20.47 | lazzarello | but yes, it's some really bad perl |
| 15:20.49 | disposable | how do i change which directory i want to use as a 'Desktop' dir for Gnome and KDE? when these two share the same 'Desktop', i get one big icon mess. i'd rather have them separated i.e. KDE would use ~/Desktop and Gnome ~/Desktop2. all i found in google was for old versions and doesn't work now |
| 15:20.49 | stew | BucWheat: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:20.52 | blujay | BucWheat: it's in both, you need to add testing and unstable to sources.list |
| 15:21.01 | stew | BucWheat: no, don't add testing or unstable |
| 15:21.03 | abrotman | lazzarello: are you using a mod_perl of some sort? |
| 15:21.08 | Ronin | blujay: ewww adn run a mixed system? bad |
| 15:21.11 | blujay | lazzarello: well it sounds like "your job" doesn't include finding a good solution :) |
| 15:21.11 | stew | blujay: don't tell people to mix stable with testing or unstable |
| 15:21.22 | lazzarello | abrotman, yes. |
| 15:21.29 | blujay | well, he wanted OO.0 2.0... |
| 15:21.34 | abrotman | lazzarello: there are different mod_perls .. some use less RAM |
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| 15:21.40 | lazzarello | blujay, you're right, right now it doesn't. |
| 15:21.46 | abrotman | lazzarello: you could also try a backported kernel from backports.org ... |
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| 15:22.02 | blujay | BucWheat: do you need to use stable as opposed to testing? |
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| 15:22.14 | BucWheat | stew im reading up on backports now |
| 15:22.18 | BucWheat | blujay, stable |
| 15:22.26 | lazzarello | on a system with 4 gigs of RAM, a 1:1 swap ratio is sane, right? |
| 15:22.28 | stew | BucWheat: http://backports.org/instructions.html as well |
| 15:22.28 | blujay | BucWheat: that doesn't answer my question |
| 15:22.47 | blujay | lazzarello: you mean having a 4GB swapfile? |
| 15:22.56 | lazzarello | blujay, yeah |
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| 15:23.09 | blujay | lazzarello: um...I guess...I guess it depends on how much VM you actually use |
| 15:23.16 | abrotman | lazzarello: you have two 2GB swap files? |
| 15:23.20 | stew | lazzarello: less would likely be adequate |
| 15:23.24 | lazzarello | abrotman, yeah |
| 15:23.45 | abrotman | lazzarello: so the whole system locks up? |
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| 15:24.37 | lazzarello | abrotman, yes. it's pingable but load is in the hundreds and no network connections. it sat like that for four hours last night until it was rebooted by cycling the power. |
| 15:24.54 | blujay | lazzarello: logs? |
| 15:25.14 | abrotman | lazzarello: where are all the connections going? to http? |
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| 15:26.14 | lazzarello | abrotman, MySQL to a pool of web servers. |
| 15:26.31 | abrotman | lazzarello: tried limiting the number of connections? |
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| 15:26.39 | lazzarello | uh oh. when a program segfaults, it doesn't return memory, right? |
| 15:26.55 | Eclipser | kernel should take care of that |
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| 15:27.45 | BucWheat | blujay, i must use stable as this is a production environment |
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| 15:28.07 | blujay | BucWheat: ok, well, I guess you need backports or will have to build OO yourself (shudder :) |
| 15:28.23 | blujay | BucWheat: but who knows if upgrading OO will fix your printing problems |
| 15:28.24 | lord_rob | WOOHOO !!! I have successfully reported a bug to the debian bts using reportbug :)). It's been a while since the last one I could report. Thanks to the one who told me I could use my smtp server directly without using my MTA |
| 15:28.33 | blujay | lord_rob: good :) |
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| 15:29.02 | blujay | BucWheat: did printing in OO work before? |
| 15:29.11 | lord_rob | it was you blujay ;) thanks a lot. Lack of reportbug was really annoying, not only for k3b |
| 15:29.15 | BucWheat | stew: i followed the instructions on the backports site and when i do apt-get install -t sarge-backports install openoffice.org i get the following: openoffice.org-base(> 2.0.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 15:29.22 | blujay | lord_rob: yep I really like reportbug |
| 15:29.24 | BucWheat | all of this for unmet dependencies |
| 15:29.45 | blujay | BucWheat: which packages are broken? |
| 15:29.51 | BucWheat | blujay, no |
| 15:30.03 | BucWheat | openoffice.org-base |
| 15:30.14 | lord_rob | blujay: I even suspected being banned from reportbug (I dont use bts for spam or other "evil" things) |
| 15:30.23 | BucWheat | how can i get oo.o to print using gtklp the gui for cups? |
| 15:30.31 | blujay | lord_rob: all it does is send mail, you can't be banned from it :) |
| 15:30.41 | jair | !tell jair <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 15:30.44 | blujay | BucWheat: ok...*how* is that package broken? |
| 15:31.01 | Ranpha | Bucwhat: i had teh same problem yesterday..... |
| 15:31.01 | BucWheat | it does not say it just says E: Broken packages |
| 15:31.04 | jair | !<secure-testing-master apt-key> |
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| 15:31.28 | jair | !secure-testing-master apt-key |
| 15:31.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, secure-testing-master apt-key is a way for you to get apt-get to stop whining about gpg key warnings. check http://secure-testing-master.debian.net for the latest key, or "wget http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -" |
| 15:31.41 | blujay | BucWheat: uh... ok try to install "openoffice.org-base" and see what it says |
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| 15:32.13 | blujay | BucWheat: besides, what actually happens when you try to print in OO? |
| 15:32.29 | BucWheat | blujay, it gives me errors that says base depends on several other packages that will not install because they are broken |
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| 15:32.40 | BucWheat | blujay, it says printing but nothing happens |
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| 15:32.58 | blujay | BucWheat: and now you need to find out why those other packages are broken, so add those individual packages to the install command after the OO package |
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| 15:33.18 | ser | hey, i have a quick question, is there a binary/script to add existing users to various groups? or i have to manual edit /etc/group? |
| 15:33.33 | blujay | BucWheat: did you select the right printer? are you sure the printer is set up right in CUPS? |
| 15:33.33 | r_marvin | ser: adduser user group |
| 15:33.49 | jair | ok guys so once i find the gpg key on this site: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net I have to use the sudo but what about if I do not use sudo? I always use the users or the root using su - |
| 15:33.59 | BucWheat | blujay, i can print in mozilla firefox using gtklp and the printers it shows are the printers listed in cups |
| 15:34.04 | _rene_ | BucWheat: the sarge backport of OOo (needs Java for base |
| 15:34.11 | _rene_ | s/(// |
| 15:34.15 | jair | if I run this as root: "wget http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -" |
| 15:34.15 | _rene_ | because base needs Java |
| 15:34.20 | ser | r_marvin and when will the changes take place? in next login? |
| 15:34.21 | jair | I should be ok |
| 15:34.22 | _rene_ | on sid/etch this works with gcj/gij |
| 15:34.23 | blujay | BucWheat: I don't know what gtklp is... |
| 15:34.25 | abrotman | _rene_: he compiled his own .. i think |
| 15:34.29 | _rene_ | but not on sarge |
| 15:34.40 | _rene_ | 17:28 < BucWheat> stew: i followed the instructions on the backports site and |
| 15:34.40 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.40 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.40 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.42 | r_marvin | ser: yes, of course |
| 15:34.47 | ser | r_marvin thanks |
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| 15:34.57 | _rene_ | damn |
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| 15:35.09 | _rene_ | 4 lines.. :( |
| 15:35.09 | abrotman | !prize _rene_ |
| 15:35.11 | _rene_ | anyway... |
| 15:35.14 | jair | abrotman, I need to do this as root or as regular user? "wget http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -" |
| 15:35.23 | _rene_ | he said he tried to install the backport |
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| 15:35.36 | abrotman | jair: if you do it as root .. leave out the sudo command .. be aware it's the insecure-ish way to do that |
| 15:35.37 | _rene_ | so I told him that he needs _Sun_ Java on sarge |
| 15:35.41 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:35.43 | _rene_ | or Blackdowns or whatever |
| 15:35.53 | _rene_ | on etch/sid he could just use gcj/gij |
| 15:35.54 | abrotman | _rene_: wait .. are oyu saying i can use kaffe or something else on etch ? |
| 15:35.57 | abrotman | oh gcj .. ok |
| 15:36.08 | _rene_ | OTOH, if he doesn't need -base he just doesn't need to install it |
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| 15:36.18 | _rene_ | if he just needs -writer he just should install -writer |
| 15:36.28 | BucWheat | _rene_, writer is really all i need |
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| 15:36.37 | BucWheat | _rene_, writer and the spreadsheet calc |
| 15:36.39 | _rene_ | "openoffice.org" is just a dummy package depending on all components |
| 15:36.42 | jair | abrotman, so then I should just do it as a regular user, but I have never use sudo for anything in debian, so it will understand it and running it? I don't need to set up or configure sudo? |
| 15:36.49 | blujay | BucWheat: and now you need to find out why those other packages are broken, so add those individual packages to the install command after the OO package |
| 15:36.49 | _rene_ | which also includes base which needs Java |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | i think i said root |
| 15:36.58 | _rene_ | BucWheat: so only install -calc and/or -writer |
| 15:37.09 | BucWheat | _rene_, what is the proper way to remove all openoffice.org and start over? |
| 15:37.10 | _rene_ | BucWheat: I am just exactly telling him that+ |
| 15:37.30 | _rene_ | BucWheat: no, just apt-get -t install openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-calc. Should work |
| 15:37.31 | FabParma | is it possible to install two diferent Linux distros on the same pc? |
| 15:37.33 | BucWheat | blujay, when i do that i get an error saying i need an external java package |
| 15:37.43 | BucWheat | _rene_, k |
| 15:37.47 | blujay | BucWheat: ah, well, looks like _rene_ is telling you the right stuff then |
| 15:37.51 | blujay | FabParma: yes |
| 15:38.04 | lamby | FabParma: sure... make sure they are in different partitions though. |
| 15:38.15 | _rene_ | blujay: of course, I made the backport ;) |
| 15:38.23 | blujay | _rene_: oh, sorry |
| 15:38.32 | BucWheat | _rene_, how do i rid my system of the openoffice.org bits i do not need? |
| 15:38.35 | FabParma | blujay: i made, but at boot only one starts |
| 15:38.45 | blujay | FabParma: that's not a very detailed explanation |
| 15:38.53 | _rene_ | blujay: you mean 1.1.x stuff? |
| 15:38.56 | _rene_ | args |
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| 15:39.02 | blujay | LOL |
| 15:39.04 | _rene_ | BucWheat: you mean 1.1.x stuff? |
| 15:39.12 | BucWheat | _rene_, yea |
| 15:39.26 | _rene_ | obsolete 1.1.x packages stuff should get purged automatically |
| 15:39.31 | BucWheat | k |
| 15:39.41 | _rene_ | serr. reved to be in the right terminology |
| 15:39.51 | _rene_ | removed |
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| 15:40.06 | BucWheat | once 2.0 is installed what is the proper way to install my cups printers? |
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| 15:41.08 | kocok | hello all |
| 15:41.13 | harfooz | hi all. I just finished an etch net installation. But when the box reboots, I get GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait, Error 16. What should I try to do? |
| 15:41.17 | lord_rob | BucWheat: apt-get install cupsys |
| 15:41.19 | Knight_Lord | Anyone knows a pretty looking profiler for linux x86? |
| 15:41.26 | blujay | harfooz: have you googled for that error? |
| 15:41.50 | BucWheat | lord_rob, i think i may have installed that how do i search my system for that package? |
| 15:41.55 | FabParma | blujay: ill retray to install. pls, can u suggest me a way to resize the partitions? |
| 15:42.15 | harfooz | blujay, well, yes, I did, however, I did not find a solution since I can't get it to boot. |
| 15:42.24 | blujay | FabParma: um...that's complicated. If you don't need what's on those partitions, just wipe them out and start fresh, that's easy |
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| 15:42.30 | lord_rob | BucWheat: "dpkg -l cupsys" should tell you if it is installed |
| 15:42.37 | kocok | i just bought new Satellite A100. when i try to install debian, it can't detect my network card. it's intel pro 1000 PL |
| 15:42.37 | noige | hey I have just perfomed a fresh install of debian |
| 15:42.41 | blujay | harfooz: ok...did you find out what the cause of that error is? |
| 15:42.51 | blujay | noige: cheers |
| 15:42.55 | kocok | i've googled it but i got nothing |
| 15:43.08 | BucWheat | lord_rob, it says ii cupsys 1.1.23-10 |
| 15:43.10 | harfooz | inconsistent filesystem |
| 15:43.11 | noige | and I want to remotely configure my packages but since it is first boot it keeps locking apt because base-config is running how do I disable this? |
| 15:43.11 | blujay | kocok: what kernel are you running? |
| 15:43.17 | BucWheat | i take it its installed? |
| 15:43.19 | harfooz | this is a fresh installation, btw. |
| 15:43.21 | blujay | harfooz: maybe you need to fsck |
| 15:43.39 | rama3i | 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 15:43.41 | blujay | noige: can you let base-config finish? |
| 15:43.45 | noige | no |
| 15:43.51 | harfooz | blujay, how would I get to a prompt to do fsck on this fresh installation? |
| 15:43.54 | lord_rob | BucWheat: then start a browser to http://localhost:631 |
| 15:43.58 | blujay | harfooz: can you boot with a CD? |
| 15:44.00 | noige | I am away from the box |
| 15:44.01 | _rene_ | BucWheat: normal in cups. OOo will recognize them |
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| 15:44.11 | noige | and it is sitting at an interactive screen I think |
| 15:44.13 | blujay | noige: so base-config is sitting there waiting for input? |
| 15:44.15 | _rene_ | BucWheat: on startup that is |
| 15:44.17 | noige | yes |
| 15:44.26 | BucWheat | lord_rob, done. i have already added the printers and i can print to them fine in all apps but OOo |
| 15:44.30 | harfooz | yes -- I booted with the etch installation disk, and this drive has had numerous other installations on it without the issue. |
| 15:44.34 | blujay | noige: well, that could be a problem in the future as well. what are your long-term plans for problems like this? |
| 15:44.49 | BucWheat | lord_rob, i use gtklp in mozilla and other apps to configure print job before sending to printer |
| 15:44.58 | noige | this is the only time I will be doing this |
| 15:45.04 | blujay | harfooz: maybe something went wrong, can you boot from the CD and run a fsck on the partition? |
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| 15:45.06 | BucWheat | _rene_, are you familiar with gtklp? |
| 15:45.12 | blujay | noige: well can you get to a shell? |
| 15:45.16 | noige | yeah |
| 15:45.18 | noige | ssh in |
| 15:45.18 | _rene_ | blujay: no |
| 15:45.23 | _rene_ | GOD DAMNIT |
| 15:45.26 | lord_rob | BucWheat: then rene is more able to answer your questions than I am ;) |
| 15:45.28 | lord_rob | lol |
| 15:45.29 | _rene_ | BucWheat: no |
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| 15:45.34 | BucWheat | hehe ok |
| 15:45.35 | blujay | noige: can you...er...weell I guess you could kill the process but it needs input... |
| 15:45.37 | efaistos_ | hi |
| 15:45.40 | MatBoy | blujay, could my problem be a driver-problem ? |
| 15:45.45 | blujay | _rene_: you know, U and L aren't that close on the keyboard :) |
| 15:45.49 | noige | when you kill it it restarts |
| 15:45.50 | noige | haha |
| 15:45.51 | blujay | MatBoy: certainly |
| 15:46.00 | _rene_ | blujay: b<tab> ;) |
| 15:46.02 | noige | there has to be some way I can disable this |
| 15:46.11 | MatBoy | blujay, have to figure that out |
| 15:46.14 | noige | I will figure it out |
| 15:46.14 | efaistos_ | i have a little question ... on debian list i can reply to messages but i cant make a new one ?! Do you know why ? |
| 15:46.17 | noige | thanks :) |
| 15:46.24 | blujay | _rene_: there are lots of names that start with B in here :) |
| 15:46.50 | blujay | noige: so you have no physical access to it? |
| 15:46.56 | jair | jelly, hello body how are you? |
| 15:46.56 | _rene_ | yes, but afaik the last one who spoke is the one taken |
| 15:47.06 | blujay | efaistos_: send a new message |
| 15:47.17 | blujay | _rene_: oh...I'm not using the same client you are, I guess |
| 15:47.42 | efaistos_ | blujay: i already try .... |
| 15:47.44 | noige | no physical access |
| 15:47.47 | jair | hey guys it is a way i can check the version of Debian i have installed because I accidently upgrade the system and did not change the mirror source lst to /sarge/ I leave it /testing. |
| 15:47.51 | noige | kickstarted |
| 15:47.53 | blujay | efaistos_: and...what...happened...? |
| 15:47.57 | noige | oh sorts |
| 15:48.02 | jair | cat something? |
| 15:48.03 | noige | s/oh/of |
| 15:48.07 | efaistos_ | nothing didnt see it .... |
| 15:48.17 | blujay | efaistos_: how long ago did you send it? |
| 15:48.28 | noige | pxe booted it and now base-config will not die when I killall -KILL base-config |
| 15:48.33 | noige | to unlock apt |
| 15:48.49 | blujay | noige: well I suppose you could look for the init script that's running base-config |
| 15:48.55 | MatBoy | when I want to disable hardware acceleration in xorg I only have to remove the dri and the glx module ? |
| 15:48.57 | noige | bah |
| 15:48.58 | noige | lol |
| 15:49.09 | noige | time to grep like a madman I guess |
| 15:49.41 | blujay | noige: $rgrep base-config /etc/init.d |
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| 15:49.48 | dorel_ | is there another alternative to autofs for automounting a usb key drive? (on my system its /dev/sdb1) |
| 15:49.52 | LoonaTick | hi |
| 15:49.56 | blujay | dorel_: HAL |
| 15:50.06 | blujay | dorel_: KDE 3.4/3.5 does it automatically, for one thing |
| 15:50.10 | stew | dorel_: in which version of debian? |
| 15:50.13 | LoonaTick | anyone know what the reasons might be that a machine only recognizes 2GB of the 4GB memory? |
| 15:50.21 | lamby | blujay: HAL? but ... that's an evil computer!? |
| 15:50.23 | LoonaTick | (PHE is not enabled, but up to 4GB RAM is enabled) |
| 15:50.30 | blujay | LoonaTick: what kernel are you using? |
| 15:50.31 | Andy_CARP | how can I send an email from the command line if I have not installed any MTA? |
| 15:50.39 | blujay | lamby: Hardware Abstraction Layer |
| 15:50.44 | dorel_ | stew: sorry i keep not telling you the version. its on unstable. im not using kde but rather blackbox |
| 15:50.49 | stew | Andy_CARP: telnet to a smtp server |
| 15:50.54 | LoonaTick | blujay: 2.6.16-1-686-smp (debian's packaged version) |
| 15:50.57 | efaistos_ | beginning of the afternoon ... I'm in france it's 6 pm now |
| 15:51.02 | blujay | Andy_CARP: apropos smtp |
| 15:51.12 | harfooz | trying rescue at the boot prompt with the etch installation CD and it begins another installation process. What is the proper way to get it to drop to a rescue terminal? |
| 15:51.17 | blujay | efaistos_: and you're looking for the message where? |
| 15:51.24 | stew | dorel_: there is ivman wiki.debian.org/IVMan |
| 15:51.51 | Andy_CARP | stew: I´m looking for something like sendmail, that do all the work alone |
| 15:51.56 | efaistos_ | in my mailbox and on the web ... I have the others messages in the box but not mine |
| 15:52.37 | stew | Andy_CARP: install an mta; if you dont' want a full blown mta and just need to get the mail off the box, use nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 15:53.03 | Andy_CARP | stew: thanks |
| 15:53.09 | StormTide | anyone have any info on installing a initrd with dmraid in it |
| 15:53.12 | stew | Andy_CARP: anything the provides mail-transport-agent will provide /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 15:54.41 | BucWheat | _rene_, finished OOo installation and it locked up when i went to print |
| 15:54.45 | LoonaTick | blujay: Any ideas? |
| 15:55.11 | blujay | LoonaTick: I'm sorry, I've never had the privilege of a computer with that much RAM :) my best advice is to try Google |
| 15:55.48 | _rene_ | blujay: do you use a remote cups server? is that reachable? |
| 15:55.56 | LoonaTick | blujay: Hehe, thanks. We have this problem with 3 or 4 servers :(. (They could actually really use insane amounts of memory :P) |
| 15:56.04 | die_z | bye |
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| 15:56.17 | blujay | LoonaTick: I'm sure the answer is out there somewhere, many people use Linux with that much memory |
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| 15:56.34 | BucWheat | _rene_, why is it locking up? i have 1gb ram on this box |
| 15:56.41 | BucWheat | it wasn't doing this on the 1.1 release |
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| 15:57.05 | BucWheat | it also says java runtime environment not installed. javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment |
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| 15:58.25 | saabin | hello |
| 15:58.39 | BucWheat | what is javaldx? Could that be my problem? |
| 15:58.58 | saabin | I need a conside, hence dummy pictorial guide, to make rj-48 cables |
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| 16:00.06 | azeem | saabin: please ask somewhere else, this is not the right channel |
| 16:01.09 | abrotman | google? |
| 16:01.15 | noige | where is base-config ran from after boot? |
| 16:01.27 | blujay | noige: didn't grep it? |
| 16:01.32 | noige | there is nothing in init.d after an rgrep base-config /etc/init.d |
| 16:01.52 | blujay | noige: try it on just /etc |
| 16:01.54 | jair | anyone here using etch can show me the /etc/apt/source.lst to have an idea??? |
| 16:02.06 | Eclipser | how nice |
| 16:02.09 | jair | I upgrade and change the source list but it say "testing" |
| 16:02.12 | blujay | jair: look on wiki.debian.org probably |
| 16:02.22 | Eclipser | libgtkmm-2.4-dev on etch has error in headers :> |
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| 16:02.23 | jair | blujay, thank you |
| 16:02.43 | blujay | jair: good luck |
| 16:02.44 | BucWheat | brb rebooting |
| 16:03.52 | evaded | Is there somethings that goes wrong with subversion after an update? He complain about 'Section header must start in the first column'. Google have give me the solution, so it's solved. But i have look a bit in reportbug and not find an related report of it :-/ |
| 16:04.33 | myren | what is the proper syntax of the From: mail header? |
| 16:04.56 | stew | myren: refer to RFC 2822 |
| 16:05.01 | nethenson | blujay: I am going to use apt-get linux-source + make-kpkg... and when a security update comes at security-announces@debian.org... I'll update and repatch.. :S |
| 16:05.12 | jair | hello stew how are you |
| 16:05.12 | dpkg | just great, jair |
| 16:05.13 | jair | ? |
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| 16:05.36 | blujay | nethenson: you're sure apt-src won't do it for you if you just install the source, install the patch, and then apt-src build it? |
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| 16:05.45 | jair | stew, I am trying to have the source.lst right for the upgrade i did from a sarge 3.1 to testing |
| 16:06.04 | jair | stew, I already add the security line to my source.lst |
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| 16:06.15 | nethenson | blujay: i cant get apt-get and apt-src to integrate... an apt-get dist-upgrade kills my patched versions |
| 16:06.16 | stew | jair: post them to a pastebin |
| 16:06.22 | jair | stew, ok |
| 16:06.35 | blujay | nethenson: you probably need to use apt preferences to pin the kernel packages |
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| 16:07.13 | stew | nethenson: are you saying that dist-upgrade is trying to upgrade a package you don't want to have upgraded |
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| 16:07.16 | stew | ? |
| 16:07.39 | nethenson | I want apt-src to upgrade it, not apt-get, Stew |
| 16:07.48 | stew | nethenson: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:07.52 | jair | stew, http://pastebin.com/685155 |
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| 16:08.39 | stew | jair: looks fine to me |
| 16:08.46 | beered | I need to add a cups _driver_ for one of the printers. how do I do that/ |
| 16:09.16 | harfooz | I'm trying to boot into a rescue mode, but after typing rescue or rescue24, I get the start of a standard installation procedure (not a rescue mode). |
| 16:09.16 | nethenson | thanks, blujay, stew... I'll play a little more with apt-src nano, to see if I get it to accept my patches :) |
| 16:09.37 | jair | stew, but this line: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib should not be "etch" instead testing? |
| 16:09.44 | blujay | nethenson: good luck. sounds like the making of a good how-to article :) |
| 16:10.00 | blujay | nethenson: maybe you could write one for the wiki |
| 16:10.17 | stew | jair: that depends on what you want to have happen once etch releases. if you want to stay with etch once it releases change it to etch. if you want to stay with the new testing once etch releases, leave it at testing |
| 16:10.33 | jair | stew, in the /etc/debian_version shows me testing/unstable |
| 16:10.42 | beered | Can somebody help me? I need to add driver.gz to cups and I don't know how. |
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| 16:11.29 | stew | jair: if you switch your sources to etch, debian_version will change at some point after etch freezes |
| 16:11.33 | jair | stew, so the only change will be deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib------> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib? either one will work now? |
| 16:11.42 | noige | shit needs to be disabled from inittab |
| 16:11.43 | noige | lol |
| 16:11.47 | noige | check this out |
| 16:11.52 | stew | jair: yes, for now they mean the same thing |
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| 16:12.02 | jair | stew, thank you very much :) |
| 16:12.08 | noige | #1:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/termwrap /usr/sbin/base-config new </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 16:12.13 | noige | annoying? |
| 16:12.15 | noige | yes |
| 16:12.25 | muaddib | hi all |
| 16:12.35 | newdeb | can any1 point me in the right direction for nvidia drivers howto? |
| 16:12.38 | newdeb | plz |
| 16:12.53 | Ronin | !tell newdeb about nvidia-oneliner |
| 16:13.00 | Ronin | crap |
| 16:13.00 | muaddib | does anybody know where i can find a C devellopment chan? |
| 16:13.11 | newdeb | 1liner? |
| 16:13.15 | stew | muaddib: #c |
| 16:13.21 | zinx | anyone have the OpenGL manpages packaged for sid? |
| 16:13.22 | Ronin | !tell newdeb about nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:13.25 | muaddib | thx |
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| 16:14.41 | newdeb | p p p p pleeaaase elp me Nvidia |
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| 16:14.53 | Ronin | newdeb: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 16:15.03 | newdeb | ah no tnx |
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| 16:15.33 | newdeb | Ronin ty |
| 16:15.57 | Ronin | your welcome |
| 16:16.09 | newdeb | ;) |
| 16:16.32 | Eclipser | umh |
| 16:16.35 | Ronin | newdeb: which release are you on? stable,testing or unstable |
| 16:16.51 | Eclipser | has there been any reports about problems with gtkmm-2.4 in etch? :) |
| 16:16.52 | newdeb | sarge |
| 16:16.57 | Ronin | good answer :) |
| 16:17.07 | stew | Eclipser: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:17.08 | newdeb | ;) |
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| 16:19.10 | spande | blujay: worked. Kewl |
| 16:19.17 | toby_ | hi |
| 16:19.41 | blujay | spande: cool :) |
| 16:19.51 | Eclipser | stew, thanks, though there doesn't seem to be any bug reports... this is too weird anyway o.O |
| 16:19.51 | blujay | spande: (I had to scroll way up to remember what you were talking about :) |
| 16:20.16 | xirjs | i need to compile a new kernel on a fresh netinstall .... sys/types.h and lot of other libs are not found ... in which pkg are they included? |
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| 16:21.24 | draga | hello everybody . anybody here has experience with encrypted root device on debian (using Luks)? |
| 16:21.30 | blujay | xirjs: I think you can find out on packages.debian.org |
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| 16:21.44 | blujay | draga: not me, but what is the problem? |
| 16:21.47 | osynic | anyone good with drbd/heartbeat that could help me out? I'm having trouble simulating failure |
| 16:21.58 | blujay | osynic: pull out the Ethernet cable :) |
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| 16:22.03 | xirjs | blujay: on a search for types.h it does not find anything ... ;( |
| 16:22.10 | xirjs | its in any standard lib ... ? |
| 16:22.10 | Ronin | osynic: install windows, boom failure :) |
| 16:22.16 | blujay | xirjs: make sure you're typing it into the correct search field |
| 16:22.24 | osynic | heh... well, the failure part I've got working. |
| 16:22.35 | osynic | it's having the second node take over that's not working so well |
| 16:22.39 | draga | I followed the instructions of the howto but it cannot mount the root fs on boot. it says that my version of libdevmapper (debian sid on x86) is not compatible with the kernel in use (custom 2.6.16.4) |
| 16:22.42 | stew | osynic: you might try #linux-ha |
| 16:22.47 | osynic | k |
| 16:23.08 | blujay | draga: do you have to use a custom kernel? |
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| 16:23.28 | Eclipser | stew, my bad :) |
| 16:23.32 | xirjs | blujay: nothing ... |
| 16:23.39 | draga | blujay: yes, it is. now I'm trying with a stock one, but i think i have to regenerate the initrd... |
| 16:23.45 | xirjs | what is the package with the standard libs for gcc |
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| 16:23.46 | xirjs | ? |
| 16:23.47 | stew | Eclipser: checking the wrong package? |
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| 16:23.53 | draga | the problem is accessing the device from a live cd |
| 16:24.02 | draga | noone of my live cds can access luks |
| 16:24.03 | blujay | xirjs: libc6? |
| 16:24.03 | stew | xirjs: build-essential |
| 16:24.05 | Eclipser | stew, nah, forgot one letter from my code, had to use diff to find it :> |
| 16:24.13 | draga | i have to boot knoppix and apt install the ceyptsetup |
| 16:24.18 | draga | quite time consuming... |
| 16:24.36 | blujay | draga: maybe you need to build a custom Debian live CD (check the wiki), or look at the partmancrypto page on the Debian wiki |
| 16:24.50 | newdeb | any1 know why i get no active partition found on hdd on boot i have done this to 3 h/drives now also sarge and ubuntu? |
| 16:25.16 | blujay | xirjs: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=types.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 16:25.41 | blujay | newdeb: is there an active partition on the disk? |
| 16:26.07 | newdeb | yes and i can read them as slaves but wont boot |
| 16:26.12 | stew | newdeb: you've done what to 3 hard drivers? |
| 16:26.16 | blujay | newdeb: slaves? |
| 16:26.26 | newdeb | they wont boot after install |
| 16:26.37 | stew | newdeb: grub/lilo don't care about active/non-active partitions |
| 16:26.39 | newdeb | yes i had to slave them to save data |
| 16:26.46 | blujay | newdeb: slave them? save data? |
| 16:26.47 | stew | newdeb: that's only for the dos/windows mbrs |
| 16:27.09 | draga | Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.03 (2006-02-08)(compat) and kernel driver |
| 16:27.09 | newdeb | its like my mbr has gone |
| 16:27.25 | newdeb | or the partition table |
| 16:27.25 | blujay | draga: maybe you need to recompile libdevmapper |
| 16:27.30 | blujay | newdeb: what happens when you TRY to boot? |
| 16:27.48 | newdeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.56 | draga | blujay: what's the cleanest way to do it on a debian system? |
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| 16:28.03 | draga | without messing with the libs |
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| 16:28.19 | blujay | draga: apt-build is nice when it works, apt-src is also good but requires more manual effort |
| 16:28.26 | spande | blujay: the e2fsck needs a -f (force) option to ( |
| 16:28.31 | blujay | draga: and I'm not sure what you mean by "not messing with the libs" |
| 16:28.38 | draga | blujay:I'm going to try with apt-build |
| 16:28.39 | blujay | spande: ah... |
| 16:28.52 | newdeb | and wots the command to set my source lists plz? |
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| 16:28.53 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 16:28.53 | blujay | draga: ok, but if it doesn't work, apt-src should work |
| 16:28.57 | stew | newdeb: apt-setup |
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| 16:29.02 | dazjorz | Do we have apache 2.2.0 in the apt database yet? |
| 16:29.04 | newdeb | ty |
| 16:29.05 | blujay | newdeb: maybe your BIOS is not set to use the right disk |
| 16:29.12 | draga | blujay: thank you. i'm trying it right now |
| 16:29.15 | muaddib | hi all |
| 16:29.16 | blujay | dazjorz: packages.debian.org |
| 16:29.19 | newdeb | bios is ok :( |
| 16:29.24 | dazjorz | because 'apache2' is currently pointing at 2.0.54 and newest is 2.2.0 stable |
| 16:29.35 | spande | to *really* fsck during the fsck stage, then the resize thing kicks in (but, just mebbe the resize is optional then. Probably not, Just maybe). |
| 16:29.38 | dazjorz | I'd say Apache2.2.0 belongs to stable debian. |
| 16:29.42 | blujay | newdeb: maybe grub is not set up properly |
| 16:30.01 | blujay | spande: maybe you should write a howto and put it on the wiki :) |
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| 16:30.11 | newdeb | tyes grub has never likecd me ;) |
| 16:30.31 | blujay | newdeb: always worked fine for me |
| 16:30.41 | spande | blujay : I think my preconception of fsck and e2fs behavour was dos based or something. |
| 16:30.48 | blujay | spande: maybe so :) |
| 16:30.48 | newdeb | <is a noob :) |
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| 16:31.12 | newdeb | i think its a hardware conflict |
| 16:31.18 | blujay | newdeb: boot from a CD and run grub-setup on the disk |
| 16:31.55 | newdeb | i put grub on a floppy it still did the same |
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| 16:32.15 | blujay | newdeb: maybe you're not specifying the disk properly, grub doesn't use hda/hdb type stuf |
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| 16:32.28 | FabByte | hi |
| 16:32.36 | blujay | hi |
| 16:32.41 | newdeb | i used /dev/fd0 |
| 16:32.55 | blujay | newdeb: huh? |
| 16:33.25 | newdeb | to install grub i used the path /dev/fd0 =floppy |
| 16:33.40 | newdeb | and it boots from the floppy |
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| 16:33.44 | blujay | newdeb: use grub-setup to install grub to the hard disk |
| 16:34.07 | newdeb | i will try ty |
| 16:34.20 | blujay | gl |
| 16:34.44 | newdeb | apt-get remove mynoobishnessplease |
| 16:34.56 | blujay | newdeb: --purge :) |
| 16:35.16 | newdeb | bluejay: :) |
| 16:35.27 | blujay | hehehe |
| 16:36.15 | newdeb | apart from my lack of knowledge Debian rokssss |
| 16:36.25 | blujay | yep |
| 16:36.56 | newdeb | <used mandrake for 3 years :) thought i should upgrade ;) |
| 16:37.02 | Eulex | newdeb, that you know how to remove a package from the command line and also how to purge it sets you far ahead of most newbies. |
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| 16:37.18 | blujay | newdeb: hehehe...and yes, Eulex is right |
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| 16:37.28 | newdeb | ty |
| 16:37.42 | newdeb | <old newb lol |
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| 16:38.29 | newdeb | <updates my source list while waiting lol |
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| 16:38.39 | pipeline | Is there a gnome-control-center dev package that hase gnome-window-settings-2.0.pc in it? |
| 16:38.43 | nethenson | I'm still playing with apt-src... I have patched beep.c (from beep-1.2.2-15)... now I have updated my sources and there is a beep-1.2.2.17... but apt-src refuses to upgrade.. saying that beep-1.2.2 is already the last version. Any idea what can i do? |
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| 16:39.12 | blujay | nethenson: maybe you need to apt-src update |
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| 16:39.23 | blujay | pipeline: not sure what you mean, but try a search on packages.debian.org |
| 16:39.24 | nethenson | I have already done it |
| 16:39.38 | blujay | nethenson: make sure you're apt-src updating, not apt-get updating |
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| 16:40.22 | franbu | ui |
| 16:40.28 | blujay | hi |
| 16:40.33 | franbu | hi :p |
| 16:40.38 | blujay | lol |
| 16:40.44 | nethenson | blujay: yes, i'm sure.. it seems that apt-src uses the version from upstream and doesn't watch for new debian patches (the -15 change to -17) or something... |
| 16:40.53 | franbu | 19 spain man!! |
| 16:40.55 | blujay | nethenson: no, that's not how apt-src works |
| 16:40.56 | franbu | u?? |
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| 16:41.12 | blujay | franbu: um...I don't think people usually a/s/l here :) |
| 16:41.12 | kspath | !tell franbu about u |
| 16:41.23 | Eulex | franbu, /join #hottub |
| 16:41.26 | kspath | franbu: This is #debian not a dating service channel. |
| 16:41.29 | anabain | what does udf mean in fstab file (cdrom lines)? |
| 16:41.34 | pipeline | blujay: No dice. |
| 16:41.35 | franbu | what?? |
| 16:41.43 | franbu | nadie habla españooool |
| 16:41.45 | Eulex | anabain, it's a file system used on cds and dvds |
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| 16:41.47 | Eulex | !es |
| 16:41.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:41.48 | dinamizador | yo |
| 16:41.52 | franbu | im spanish |
| 16:41.54 | blujay | pipeline: sorry I don't remember what we were talking about |
| 16:41.55 | kspath | !tell franbu about es |
| 16:42.05 | blujay | anabain: google for UDF |
| 16:42.12 | franbu | dinami echame una manoooo |
| 16:42.13 | franbu | ejej |
| 16:42.16 | anabain | franbu, I speak spanish, but this channel is english |
| 16:42.21 | dinamizador | dime |
| 16:42.22 | blujay | nethenson: ok, apt-cache policy nano |
| 16:42.24 | franbu | i know |
| 16:42.31 | anabain | go to #debian-es |
| 16:42.36 | blujay | nethenson: sorry, beep, not nano |
| 16:42.45 | franbu | los k escriben en rojo k son?? dinami?? |
| 16:42.53 | Eulex | (though they probably don't want him there either) |
| 16:43.02 | blujay | Eulex: awww, that's not nice...maybe true though |
| 16:43.03 | evaded | franbu: Listen to me and to dpkg |
| 16:43.11 | evaded | !tell franbu about shit |
| 16:43.11 | franbu | :p |
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| 16:43.17 | franbu | eeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:43.20 | evaded | franbu: Really do it!!! |
| 16:43.26 | FabByte | how to reset KDE to the default values? |
| 16:43.33 | kspath | evaded: Try not to use such words. That can be avoided most of the time. |
| 16:43.40 | newdeb | how can i make font bigger in xchat? |
| 16:43.44 | blujay | FabByte: make a new user, or wipe out ~/.kde maybe |
| 16:43.46 | franbu | hate hate hate hate hate |
| 16:43.51 | dazjorz | !tell me about shit |
| 16:43.56 | Ronin | newdeb: somewhere in teh xchat config no doubt |
| 16:44.00 | blujay | franbu: what do you hate? |
| 16:44.02 | kspath | franbu: Do you have a question about Debian? |
| 16:44.05 | dazjorz | Wow, it's true! |
| 16:44.11 | franbu | no |
| 16:44.12 | blujay | dazjorz: hahaha, yeah, same here |
| 16:44.17 | FabByte | blujay, its the root |
| 16:44.17 | Eulex | blujay, didn't sound that he came here to get debian help. everyone can improve, though. |
| 16:44.20 | evaded | kspath: Which one? |
| 16:44.28 | blujay | FabByte: try wiping out /root/.kde |
| 16:44.36 | blujay | Eulex: :) |
| 16:44.50 | blujay | dazjorz: but I sent it as a PM... ;) |
| 16:44.55 | franbu | ou ou kicir ou |
| 16:45.00 | kspath | franbu: You are welcome to listen but otherwise this is a Debian help channel named debian. The language of this channel is English. |
| 16:45.11 | FabByte | blujay, im not a beginner |
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| 16:45.17 | blujay | franbu: so what distro do you use? |
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| 16:45.21 | blujay | FabByte: ok...so what's your question then? |
| 16:45.31 | FabByte | blujay, dont joke,plz |
| 16:45.32 | evaded | kspath: I have not see my error :-/ |
| 16:45.45 | blujay | FabByte: I'm trying to help you, but I guess you don't want my help |
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| 16:45.54 | dazjorz | Lol |
| 16:45.55 | dazjorz | matboy |
| 16:46.07 | dazjorz | wiljewelwetenhe.xs4all.nl |
| 16:46.14 | nethenson | blujay: shall i paste my apt-cache policy beep in #flood? |
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| 16:46.22 | kspath | evaded: the sh** word is most often considered rude and should be avoided. If it is a four letter acronym than it would be best to find another acronym. |
| 16:46.26 | ttl- | hi everyone |
| 16:46.32 | blujay | nethenson: um...maybe use pastebin.ca? |
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| 16:46.47 | Quibus | Hello |
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| 16:47.05 | newdeb | preferences browse font thanks |
| 16:47.06 | Quibus | Any reports of X problems lately? Since today, my X server aborts with a signal 11.... |
| 16:47.13 | Ronin | Quibus: /topic |
| 16:47.16 | kspath | FabByte: What is plz? |
| 16:47.23 | FabByte | blujay, i made changes on kde, unfortunatelly now i have problems with it. i would like to reinstall it but purging all old setting |
| 16:47.24 | evaded | kspath: I have not understand it there, i guess i need to sleep ;-) |
| 16:47.26 | blujay | !tell kspath about plz |
| 16:47.26 | Quibus | Ronin: thanks, but this ncurses client doesn't show it :) |
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| 16:47.49 | Ronin | Quibus: you run unstable by any chance? |
| 16:47.51 | Quibus | I'm using testing |
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| 16:47.56 | Quibus | So I still have xorg 6.9 |
| 16:47.57 | blujay | FabByte: I already told you how to do it, wipe out /root/.kde if mean the root user, or ~/.kde for yourself |
| 16:47.58 | FabByte | kspath, plz is slang for Please |
| 16:48.01 | newdeb | !plz |
| 16:48.01 | dpkg | plz is, like, german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 16:48.10 | Althaser | where can I set to GStreamer my sound device ? please |
| 16:48.35 | pipeline | Althaser: Run the gconf-editor and set the default sink |
| 16:48.46 | Quibus | I get a signal 11 from X as soon as I log into GNOME |
| 16:48.48 | blujay | Quibus: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:48.54 | ttl- | i have a strange problem with nvidia-kernel-legacy-source, if i autoinstall it with module-assistant and start gdm it work fine, if i rebbot the machine gdm (Xorg) does not start, if i than do the autoinstall again and restart gdm it works again until next boot |
| 16:49.01 | Quibus | blujay: I did: it's aborted and gives a backtrace |
| 16:49.02 | nethenson | http://pastebin.ca/51790 , blujay (the apt-cache policy is at the end of the paste) |
| 16:49.02 | FabByte | !kde |
| 16:49.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 16:49.08 | kspath | FabByte: It is not English. People especially people using English as a second or third or fourth language need to see English and not slang. |
| 16:49.16 | blujay | ttl-: I used to have that problem...I think it's a problem with the tls libraries |
| 16:49.22 | Althaser | pipeline what's the link ? please |
| 16:49.29 | epsilon | what does "trap" do in shell? |
| 16:49.44 | xirjs | how do i install lilo during a sarge installation ... _ |
| 16:49.46 | blujay | Quibus: have you upgraded anything recently? |
| 16:49.47 | xirjs | ? |
| 16:49.50 | newdeb | this chat is loaded and too fast |
| 16:50.01 | Quibus | blujay: I dist-upgrade my testing distro every day |
| 16:50.04 | ttl- | blujay: k thnx |
| 16:50.06 | blujay | newdeb: groups.google.com/groups/debian.usr |
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| 16:50.15 | kspath | newdeb: If you want to see what someone said before try /lastlog nickname |
| 16:50.16 | blujay | Quibus: :/ works for me, sorry |
| 16:50.18 | newdeb | xir i cancel, the grub install it takes you to a screen |
| 16:50.19 | ttl- | blujay: how can i fix the problem ? |
| 16:50.25 | FabByte | kspath, it is, is slang undergroud IT english |
| 16:50.43 | newdeb | thanks kspath |
| 16:50.47 | blujay | ttl-: I don't remember exactly...I think using newer drivers, or a newer package, fixed it |
| 16:50.53 | Quibus | I don't know what to do now... |
| 16:50.54 | draga | tried to use "mkinitramfs".. |
| 16:51.00 | newdeb | newdeb: |
| 16:51.05 | evaded | xirjs: In the install proccess, not agree to use the grub and he propose to use the lilo |
| 16:51.05 | draga | the system stops at "Begin: Waiting for root file system" |
| 16:51.05 | blujay | Quibus: ther'es NOHTHING helpful in the log? |
| 16:51.07 | newdeb | how i make it red plz |
| 16:51.11 | kspath | FabByte: Please use please. You are only saving a couple of letters and some people will not understand. |
| 16:51.12 | xirjs | evaded: got it ... thx! |
| 16:51.24 | Quibus | blujay: nope, just the 'caught signal 11, aborting' and the bactrace |
| 16:51.29 | blujay | FabByte: "Please," please. :) |
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| 16:51.51 | kspath | newdeb: Make what red? plz? |
| 16:51.51 | nethenson | blujay: http://pastebin.ca/51790 (the apt-cache policy is at the end of the paste) |
| 16:51.51 | blujay | Quibus: look in /var/log/syslog, maybe there's something there |
| 16:51.57 | blujay | nethenson: sorry |
| 16:52.20 | newdeb | when i see your chat highlighted? |
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| 16:52.30 | t35t0r | when i run the command rsync -av * /blah/dest/ it doesn't copy . files and . directories ..how do i get it to do that also? |
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| 16:52.36 | Ronin | newdeb: perhaps #xchat is in order |
| 16:52.42 | kspath | newdeb: You will need to see your configuration of your IRC client. |
| 16:52.58 | blujay | nethenson: well, it says -17 is the candidate, but try explicitly selecting the version from testing, by using apt-src install beep/testing |
| 16:53.04 | Quibus | blujay: the last thigns in the log are normal gconfd things, from when I logged into GNOME |
| 16:53.08 | stew | t35t0r: rsync -av ./ /blah/dest |
| 16:53.21 | stew | t35t0r: no, i mean: rsync -av ./ /blah/dest/ |
| 16:53.24 | blujay | Quibus: ok, well, this is not a solution that Linux users like to hear, but...have you tried rebooting? |
| 16:53.37 | MatBoy | dazjorz, what's up ? |
| 16:53.37 | newdeb | you type my name 1st then its red? |
| 16:53.42 | Althaser | pipeline I ran gstreamer-properties and configure it out but it doesn't work yet |
| 16:53.45 | blujay | t35t0r: man rsync, really, it explains all |
| 16:53.47 | nethenson | bluejay: apt-src -i install beep/testing |
| 16:53.48 | nethenson | W: beep in /usr/src/beep-1.2.2 is already the latest version |
| 16:53.53 | Quibus | blujay: I can't do anything else than reboot, because my keyboard gets dead and the screen becomes black when it happens |
| 16:53.57 | t35t0r | blujay, no it doesn't |
| 16:54.01 | pipeline | no, gconf-editor, not gstreamer-properties |
| 16:54.04 | blujay | Quibus: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 16:54.07 | evaded | newdeb: See you this higlighted?? |
| 16:54.08 | t35t0r | the man pages don't have the answer to everything in the world ... |
| 16:54.12 | kspath | newdeb: That is your IRC client seeing your nickname and highlighting those persons addressing those messages to you. |
| 16:54.13 | Quibus | blujay: it doesn't work anymore at that point |
| 16:54.16 | pipeline | t35t0r: That's a filthy lie. |
| 16:54.18 | newdeb | yes |
| 16:54.19 | blujay | t35t0r: ok, if you say so...but it told me how to use rsync completely |
| 16:54.23 | evaded | newdeb: Right, because you're name are in this phrase |
| 16:54.34 | newdeb | how do i addreess? |
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| 16:54.36 | t35t0r | blujay, using * and using . or ./ has something to do with the shell not rsync |
| 16:54.37 | ttl- | blujay: i think i installed the latest nvidia-kernel-legacy-source |
| 16:54.39 | stew | blujay: you pointed him to the wrong manpage, he is having a problem with shell globbing, not rsync |
| 16:54.54 | t35t0r | * in computer science means match nothing and everything |
| 16:55.01 | newdeb | kspath red? |
| 16:55.02 | blujay | the rsync man page explains the use of * |
| 16:55.04 | FabByte | kspath, ok, I am sorry |
| 16:55.06 | kspath | newdeb: just type the persons nickname before anything else you type on your line. |
| 16:55.17 | stew | t35t0r: well * or (. or ./) is a shell thingy, but . or ./ is a rsync thingy |
| 16:55.23 | FabByte | kspath, ok, I am sorry |
| 16:55.32 | newdeb | kspath = red red |
| 16:55.33 | blujay | ttl-: google for nvidia tls, maybe you can find something...sorry but it was many months ago and I don't remember how I fixed it |
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| 16:55.36 | Quibus | So, I'm kind of lost now... |
| 16:55.46 | blujay | Quibus: boot into single-user mode to begin with |
| 16:55.51 | kspath | FabByte: oh, no problem. You did not need to say sorry. I know this channel is somewhat different than many others. |
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| 16:55.57 | evaded | newdeb: Try 'eva<TABULATION>' |
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| 16:56.09 | Quibus | blujay: I did that, but then? |
| 16:56.13 | evaded | newdeb: So that my name are automatically completed |
| 16:56.16 | newdeb | evaded, red |
| 16:56.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:56.19 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:56.24 | evaded | newdeb: Right, it's red here |
| 16:56.26 | blujay | Quibus: then you can try to diagnose the problem...what drivers are you using in X? |
| 16:56.29 | t35t0r | would rysnc -av . do the same thing as rsync -av ./ ? |
| 16:56.34 | Althaser | pipeline what should I add ? |
| 16:56.35 | newdeb | yep |
| 16:56.40 | Quibus | blujay: before the X crash occurs, I can switch to the console, that's what I did now |
| 16:56.42 | evaded | newdeb: And you hear the bell now |
| 16:56.43 | hjubal | hi |
| 16:56.44 | newdeb | evaded, thanks |
| 16:56.45 | stew | t35t0r: no |
| 16:56.54 | Quibus | blujay: I tried both proprietary fglrx and radeon open soruce drivers. No diff |
| 16:56.59 | t35t0r | what's the difference between . and ./ |
| 16:57.01 | evaded | newdeb: ;-) |
| 16:57.11 | newdeb | er no got stereo on ;( |
| 16:57.14 | kspath | newdeb: some irc clients will even highlight when you address the message to yourself. |
| 16:57.18 | MatBoy | !ping dazjorz |
| 16:57.27 | blujay | t35t0r: really, have you gone through the rsync options in the man page? |
| 16:57.30 | newdeb | try bell again? |
| 16:57.32 | t35t0r | yes |
| 16:57.37 | blujay | Quibus: does it crash with the vesa driver? |
| 16:57.37 | kspath | kspath have you considered talking to yourself? |
| 16:57.47 | stew | t35t0r: . refers to a directory, ./ referes to its contents. if you do rsync foo bar/ you will end up with a bar/foo directory, if you do rsync foo/ bar/ the contents of foo/ will be synced to bar/ |
| 16:57.49 | newdeb | newdeb, o |
| 16:57.49 | Quibus | blujay: I'll try that now, if I time out, it did |
| 16:57.50 | blujay | kspath: I think you have been |
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| 16:58.04 | dazjorz | MatBoy: Look at your host name ;) |
| 16:58.08 | kspath | blujay: I sometimes talk to me armpit as well. ;-) |
| 16:58.15 | blujay | kspath: ew |
| 16:58.16 | kspath | s/me/my/ |
| 16:58.18 | dazjorz | MatBoy: wiljewelwetenhe.xs4all.nl |
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| 16:58.32 | blujay | kspath: aw, no pirate accent? "arrrrr, I sometimes talk to me armpit as well, matey" :) |
| 16:58.33 | MatBoy | dazjorz, yeah, nice one isn't it ? :) |
| 16:58.42 | kspath | blujay: hehehe |
| 16:58.45 | blujay | MatBoy: what does it mean? |
| 16:58.48 | dazjorz | MatBoy: "you want to know that wouldn't you" |
| 16:58.50 | stew | t35t0r: and that is covered in the manpage |
| 16:58.52 | dazjorz | blujay: /\ |
| 16:59.04 | newdeb | hey guys thanks all i got nvidia coming in and all sorts sorted with ur help/.thank you |
| 16:59.07 | blujay | dazjorz: oh, that's what it means? |
| 16:59.12 | blujay | newdeb: yay |
| 16:59.12 | MatBoy | dazjorz, yes indeed... someone asked me once :p |
| 16:59.15 | tarzeau | Justin: there? |
| 16:59.18 | MatBoy | so I made it that way :) |
| 16:59.24 | blujay | dazjorz: oh, hehe |
| 16:59.28 | ttl- | blujay: ok thanks for the help :) |
| 16:59.35 | dazjorz | MatBoy: you can just - make a hostname? :/ |
| 16:59.36 | blujay | ttl-: sorry, good luck |
| 16:59.39 | newdeb | blujay, this comp will ro soon |
| 16:59.45 | t35t0r | "if you do rsync foo bar/ you will end up with a bar/foo directory, if you do rsync foo/ bar/ the contents of foo/ will be synced to bar/" ..i saw that but it didn't explain the difference between . and ./ which you just did |
| 16:59.45 | nvz | bah I want to hear dissident and I dont seem to have it. |
| 16:59.45 | MatBoy | yep |
| 16:59.46 | newdeb | rok |
| 16:59.48 | dazjorz | MatBoy: how did you do that? |
| 16:59.48 | kspath | newdeb: ro ? |
| 17:00.02 | nvz | thats what I get for only buying one pearl jam cd |
| 17:00.03 | ttl- | blujay: thnx |
| 17:00.03 | MatBoy | dazjorz, My prvider provides me that |
| 17:00.04 | t35t0r | i thought "." was just another way of saying everything in the current directory .. i didn't know it meant the directory also |
| 17:00.07 | newdeb | kspath, Rock |
| 17:00.24 | zinx | t35t0r: it only means the current directory |
| 17:00.24 | kspath | newdeb: awesome! |
| 17:00.46 | stew | zinx: he knows what . means, he just didnt' know the difference between . and ./ |
| 17:00.49 | t35t0r | zinx, "." means the current directory and its's contents ./ means the contents only |
| 17:00.54 | t35t0r | ok |
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| 17:00.57 | t35t0r | thanks |
| 17:01.05 | Justin | tarzeau: hihi |
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| 17:01.08 | newdeb | <smiles like a village idiot Debian is working for me :))) |
| 17:01.23 | stew | the village idiot has a lot of chins |
| 17:01.38 | newdeb | chins? |
| 17:01.40 | blujay | LOL |
| 17:01.40 | a-atwood | and a lot of personalities. ;^) |
| 17:01.57 | nvz | grow a beard nobody will know |
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| 17:02.22 | nethenson | apt-src hates me :) |
| 17:02.22 | kspath | newdeb: more than one paranthesis is considered chins below the smile by many apparently. |
| 17:02.28 | a-atwood | "village idiot" is a hat we all wear from time to tome |
| 17:02.41 | nvz | I feel like I could just sleep till friday.. but I should probably get dressed and act like I am doing something productive |
| 17:02.42 | blujay | nethenson: still there? |
| 17:02.45 | blujay | nethenson: oh, sorry |
| 17:02.47 | kspath | a-atwood: Mine is stapled on my head. |
| 17:02.57 | newdeb | kspath, paranthesis is that debian? :) |
| 17:02.58 | nvz | download dissident for starters :P |
| 17:03.23 | kspath | newdeb: thanks, my ability to spell is lacking. |
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| 17:03.32 | blujay | nethenson: why did you run $ apt-src -t upgrade ? |
| 17:03.48 | newdeb | so is my lackin of understandin lol spel it however ;) |
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| 17:04.25 | kspath | newdeb: Should be not try to do things better and better or at least try to maintain our skills? |
| 17:04.27 | evaded | newdeb: Do you never type an typo errno?? |
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| 17:04.31 | kspath | s/be/we/ |
| 17:04.48 | nethenson | blujay: upgrade to get the 1.2.2-17, the -t (--trace) to see what it was doing (-t sounds like --debug) ? |
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| 17:04.56 | blujay | nethenson: ah, ok |
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| 17:05.10 | yos87 | how to install kde desktop environment? |
| 17:05.17 | newdeb | kspath, yes |
| 17:05.22 | newdeb | evaded, yes |
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| 17:05.24 | newdeb | lol |
| 17:05.28 | kspath | heheh |
| 17:05.40 | newdeb | always |
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| 17:05.48 | blujay | nethenson: apt-src version beep |
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| 17:06.14 | nethenson | blujay , apt-src version beep |
| 17:06.15 | nethenson | 1.2.2-15 |
| 17:06.18 | pwned | hi where can I read about these x11proto-* packages? |
| 17:06.23 | Quibusch | blujay - it also crashes for vesa |
| 17:06.25 | newdeb | apt-get install alchohol :) |
| 17:06.54 | blujay | Quibusch: weird...sorry I don't know...see if anything else is upgradable, do a full dist-upgrade |
| 17:07.05 | Quibusch | blujay - I already did that |
| 17:07.09 | blujay | nethenson: and apt-src upgrade doesn't upgrade it to -17? |
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| 17:07.29 | mikeConigliaro | quick question about repos: if i try to install a package that exists in multiple repositories, how does apt know which repo to use? |
| 17:07.36 | blujay | Quibusch: what happens if you run startx from a terminal? |
| 17:07.44 | blujay | mikeConigliaro: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 17:07.47 | Quibusch | blujay - I'll try that now |
| 17:07.58 | mikeConigliaro | blujay, but how does apt know which one to use? |
| 17:08.09 | mikeConigliaro | i already know how to see which one will be installed |
| 17:08.20 | blujay | mikeConigliaro: it depends on the priority of the repo, in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:08.27 | mikeConigliaro | ah, ok |
| 17:08.29 | nethenson | blujay: may apt-src upgrade is an alias for echo -n ? :) |
| 17:08.34 | mikeConigliaro | but i dont have that file |
| 17:08.36 | blujay | nethenson: haha |
| 17:08.44 | mikeConigliaro | so in that case, does it just go in order? |
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| 17:08.45 | blujay | mikeConigliaro: then it will probably just use the latest version |
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| 17:09.04 | mikeConigliaro | ok, thanks |
| 17:09.06 | newdeb | Help again nvidia packages are in what now?just reboot? |
| 17:09.11 | blujay | mikeConigliaro: np |
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| 17:09.28 | blujay | newdeb: just log out and log into X |
| 17:09.38 | newdeb | ok thanks brb |
| 17:09.59 | blujay | oops |
| 17:10.01 | blujay | oh well, too late |
| 17:10.15 | blujay | nethenson: and when you apt-src install beep/testing it says it's already the latest version? |
| 17:10.49 | blujay | nethenson: oh, ok |
| 17:10.53 | blujay | nethenson: I think I get it |
| 17:11.01 | blujay | nethenson: remember that apt-src install only downloads and unpacks the source |
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| 17:11.16 | blujay | nethenson: so maybe -17 is the latest source package apt-src has installed |
| 17:11.24 | blujay | nethenson: but -15 can stilll be the latest binary that's installed |
| 17:11.37 | blujay | nethenson: you need to actually build and install -17 for it to be the latest binary |
| 17:11.59 | nethenson | apt-src list |
| 17:11.59 | nethenson | i beep 1.2.2-15 /usr/src/beep-1.2.2 |
| 17:12.03 | abrotman | blujay: are you talking to yourself? :) |
| 17:12.23 | abrotman | mikeConigliaro: define "multiple sources" |
| 17:12.24 | blujay | abrotman: not unless my alias is nethenson... I hope :) |
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| 17:12.56 | blujay | nethenson: try apt-src install beep=1.2.2-17 |
| 17:12.58 | Quibster | blujay: obviously it crashed |
| 17:13.08 | blujay | Quibster: I like this name the best :) |
| 17:13.11 | Quibster | blujay: when I use the GNOME failsafe with terminal session, it doesn't hang |
| 17:13.29 | blujay | Quibster: do you happen to have KDE installed as well? |
| 17:13.34 | js_ | what type of cable do i use to connect two switches? a crossover or an ordinary one+ |
| 17:13.34 | nethenson | apt-src install beep=1.2.2-17 |
| 17:13.34 | nethenson | W: beep in /usr/src/beep-1.2.2 is already the latest version |
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| 17:13.41 | ajayc | hi guys |
| 17:13.41 | Quibster | blujay: nope, but I could install it of course |
| 17:13.41 | nethenson | , blujay |
| 17:13.48 | ajayc | how many of u r on sarge? |
| 17:13.51 | blujay | Quibster: well, maybe GNOME is the problem, not X |
| 17:13.57 | tarzeau | ajayc: many, check !popcon |
| 17:14.03 | Quibster | blujay: AFAIK GNOME shouldn't be able to crash X |
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| 17:14.07 | kspath | !tell ajayc about u |
| 17:14.09 | ajayc | 1popcon |
| 17:14.14 | ajayc | !popcon |
| 17:14.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:14.25 | blujay | Quibster: keyword=shouldn't :) but you said the failsafe works... |
| 17:14.33 | binkzz | what's a 'transition' package? |
| 17:14.38 | Quibster | blujay: yeah, but it doesn't run GNOME session then |
| 17:14.45 | tarzeau | binkzz: which one? |
| 17:14.46 | kspath | binkzz: I placeholder. |
| 17:14.52 | binkzz | kernel specifically |
| 17:15.02 | blujay | Quibster: so with GNOME it crashes, without GNOME it doesn't...what do you think is causing it to crash? :) |
| 17:15.06 | binkzz | debian installed 2.6.8, I'd like to install the later 2.6.15 |
| 17:15.09 | Quibster | blujay: I think it might be some C-runtime problem |
| 17:15.14 | blujay | nethenson: that's weird man, I'm sorry, I don't know |
| 17:15.23 | blujay | Quibster: maybe, but what makes you say that? |
| 17:15.27 | jplibre | hmmm -what's the easiest way to pick a random file from a directory tree in bash? |
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| 17:15.40 | blujay | nethenson: maybe you should file a bug |
| 17:15.46 | ajayc | well cant understand about 3.1 sarge |
| 17:15.50 | Quibster | because of that backtrace and because of the fact that libgcc, libstdc++ and gcc-4.1-base were upgraded yesterday |
| 17:15.51 | ajayc | so please explain |
| 17:15.55 | nethenson | blujay: you have earned a big big beer, thanks a lot for your effort |
| 17:16.08 | abrotman | what don't you understand? |
| 17:16.09 | blujay | nethenson: hehe, y/w, good luck...I wish I knew what else to do |
| 17:16.14 | incearca | on |
| 17:16.15 | kspath | ajayc: Please be more specific. |
| 17:16.34 | ajayc | well is sarge most famous? |
| 17:16.35 | blujay | Quibster: what did the backtrace say that makes you think that? (you may be completely right, I'd just like to see it) |
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| 17:16.47 | |lostbyte| | Anyone here having an ovislink wifi dogle ? pls use my name to reply.. |
| 17:16.49 | kspath | ajayc: For/With what? |
| 17:16.50 | Quibster | Here's the last few lines: |
| 17:16.59 | dafresh | hi, i have a cron job that run every 5 min and i would like to disable the syslog loging only for this job, how can i do that ? |
| 17:17.01 | ajayc | normally kspath |
| 17:17.08 | Quibster | 0: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x88) [0x8089898] |
| 17:17.08 | Quibster | 1: [0xffffe420] |
| 17:17.08 | Quibster | 2: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(malloc+0x7f) [0xb7dd292f] |
| 17:17.09 | Quibster | 3: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(Xalloc+0x1b) [0x80ee7cb] |
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| 17:17.09 | ajayc | desktop |
| 17:17.32 | kspath | ajayc: What about Sarge desktop specifically? |
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| 17:17.43 | newdeb | :( |
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| 17:18.11 | newdeb | nvidia did stuff but nothing do i need to vi configs????? |
| 17:18.16 | Quibus | Sheesh, 4 lines is flood? |
| 17:18.17 | blujay | Quibus: oops |
| 17:18.25 | ajayc | kspath, is the sarge release most famous or the testing? |
| 17:18.27 | Ronin | Quibus: yep |
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| 17:18.30 | Quibus | k then |
| 17:18.39 | blujay | Quibus: you're only using testing, not unstable, right? |
| 17:18.41 | Ronin | ajayc: most famous? |
| 17:18.42 | DragonD | How do i make something "auto start"? |
| 17:18.43 | Quibus | blujay: did you see the paste? |
| 17:18.45 | Quibus | blujay: indeed |
| 17:18.47 | blujay | Quibus: yeah |
| 17:18.49 | newdeb | ajayc, sarge is the best |
| 17:18.50 | dafresh | anyone have a idea about that ?! |
| 17:19.01 | ajayc | well what about testing? |
| 17:19.09 | kspath | ajayc: Sarge is stable Etch is testing Sid is unstable. What/why is famous involved. |
| 17:19.09 | Ronin | ajayc: what about it? |
| 17:19.17 | blujay | Quibus: I've gotten weird crashes like that before, but I don't know specifically how I solved them...I suppose you could try reinstalling all those packages... |
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| 17:19.28 | blujay | Quibus: perhaps dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:19.36 | binkzz | how far along is Etch? |
| 17:19.40 | blujay | Quibus: though that probably won't do it |
| 17:19.40 | ajayc | well i am going to install sarge on my laptop should i? |
| 17:19.42 | ajayc | ;) |
| 17:19.44 | Quibus | blujay: the x server runs fine if I dont' start GNOME session |
| 17:20.00 | kspath | ajayc: Try it. |
| 17:20.04 | blujay | Quibus: well, take this opportunity to switch to KDE ;) |
| 17:20.05 | kspath | ajayc: Do it now. |
| 17:20.16 | ajayc | kspath was kidding |
| 17:20.20 | ajayc | I LOVE DEBIAN |
| 17:20.24 | newdeb | blujay, lol kde roks |
| 17:20.26 | ajayc | btw i am 16 |
| 17:20.29 | tarzeau | !love ajayc |
| 17:20.31 | kspath | newdeb: rocks? |
| 17:20.33 | blujay | newdeb: yes it does |
| 17:20.46 | newdeb | kspath, kde roks |
| 17:20.47 | Shadowcat | !sicko tarzeau |
| 17:20.48 | blujay | kspath: no, he was referring to amaRok |
| 17:20.54 | Shadowcat | !sickosmite tarzeau |
| 17:20.55 | tarzeau | ajayc: do you love debra or ian more? |
| 17:20.56 | Shadowcat | damn |
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| 17:21.07 | ajayc | tarzeau, what is that? |
| 17:21.11 | tarzeau | !debian |
| 17:21.12 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:21.12 | kspath | newdeb: amarok is really nice? That is or will be part of KDE? |
| 17:21.17 | Kinks | I think I'm going to throw up if I ever see someone say a particular piece of software "rocks" again. |
| 17:21.19 | newdeb | tarzeau, apt get remove love |
| 17:21.28 | Ronin | Kinks: best not go online then |
| 17:21.31 | blujay | kspath: stop being a spelling/grammar nazi :) |
| 17:21.32 | Quibus | blujay: I'll first try fvwm :P |
| 17:21.41 | tarzeau | dpkg debian is also The name Debian is a contraction of DEB(ra) and IAN Murdock. |
| 17:21.41 | dpkg | tarzeau: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 17:21.45 | newdeb | <smells better |
| 17:21.47 | blujay | Quibus: you'll come to KDE eventually :) |
| 17:21.51 | ajayc | guys one prob |
| 17:21.57 | ajayc | should i upgrade to testing? |
| 17:22.02 | blujay | Kinks: what should we say then? |
| 17:22.03 | ajayc | etch i mean? |
| 17:22.03 | tarzeau | ajayc: dict debian |
| 17:22.06 | kspath | blujay: I am not. I am seriously asking about amarok. Can I ask what a "word" means? |
| 17:22.07 | tarzeau | ajayc: no |
| 17:22.19 | newdeb | kspath, yes |
| 17:22.25 | blujay | kspath: oh...well I was joking about him talking about amarok...but yes amarok is very good |
| 17:22.29 | newdeb | kspath, i meant kde |
| 17:22.38 | Kinks | blujay: I didn't claim you were to act any differently, I was simply stating my reaction. :o |
| 17:22.45 | blujay | Kinks: hehe ok :) |
| 17:22.52 | kspath | newdeb: My systems are a little too weak to use GNONE or KDE. |
| 17:22.53 | blujay | Kinks: what do you say? :) |
| 17:22.54 | newdeb | ok room goes touchy |
| 17:23.16 | ajayc | is anyone 16 here?/ |
| 17:23.19 | Ronin | newdeb: about spelling? always has been, we try to keep it as correct as possible, it gets to confusing otherwise |
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| 17:23.27 | blujay | ajayc: we don't do a/s/l here! |
| 17:23.35 | newdeb | kspath, i only have a 450 p II4 gb h/d but a 128 agp nv gcard |
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| 17:23.38 | kspath | ajayc: There are dating channels. This is not one of them. |
| 17:23.47 | ajayc | O_O |
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| 17:23.51 | ajayc | well just askin |
| 17:23.52 | tarzeau | ajayc: what country? |
| 17:23.55 | blujay | !tell ajayc about asl |
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| 17:24.03 | newdeb | Ronin, sorry i am used to ingame chat |
| 17:24.24 | Ronin | newdeb: if its any help we all get corrected at one time or another :) |
| 17:24.25 | blujay | Ronin: I believe you meant "too confusing" :) |
| 17:24.26 | Quibus | blujay: let's try icewm :P |
| 17:24.32 | newdeb | Ronin, SO ITS USUALLY CUT DOWN |
| 17:24.32 | ajayc | India |
| 17:24.37 | blujay | quibus: you go right ahead :) |
| 17:24.43 | Quibus | see you later |
| 17:24.44 | ajayc | !say sorry to blujay |
| 17:24.44 | dpkg | sorry to blujay |
| 17:24.48 | newdeb | rONCORRECTION IS GOOD |
| 17:24.52 | Ronin | newdeb: see |
| 17:24.54 | blujay | ajayc: sorry, didn't mean to shout :) |
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| 17:25.06 | kspath | newdeb: Your capslock might be active. |
| 17:25.06 | newdeb | Ronin, correction is good |
| 17:25.08 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 17:25.10 | ajayc | no prob blujay |
| 17:25.12 | newdeb | yes |
| 17:25.16 | Shadowcat | when did the peanut gallery come in here |
| 17:25.24 | blujay | Shadowcat: about 15 minutes ago |
| 17:25.25 | Ronin | Shadowcat: when is it not? heh |
| 17:25.27 | Kinks | blujay: I'm actually not entirely sure I go about doing that sort of thing, next time I find myself doing it I'll let you know though. |
| 17:25.40 | Shadowcat | blujay: we should start beating them with XOrg 7 errors until they leave |
| 17:25.43 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 17:25.44 | hacim | anyone gotten the non-free nvidia drivers from nvidia to work? if I install them, the module doesn't appear to be available afterwards |
| 17:25.45 | blujay | Kinks: ok, yeah, please do e-mail me or IM me on my Jabber address |
| 17:26.02 | blujay | Shadowcat: now, now, I fully consider myself part of the Peanut Gallery |
| 17:26.10 | Shadowcat | oh in that case |
| 17:26.24 | newdeb | hacim, mine installed then wot do i so now? |
| 17:26.29 | blujay | Shadowcat: ahh, but I'm using 6.9 from testing :) |
| 17:26.43 | hacim | newdeb: eh? |
| 17:26.52 | blujay | Shadowcat: gasp... |
| 17:27.14 | blujay | Shadowcat: I knew I should have changed the root password |
| 17:27.18 | newdeb | hacim, my nvidia installed but there is something missing like a next step. |
| 17:27.30 | Shadowcat | blujay: we've had full control of your machine for months |
| 17:27.39 | blujay | Shadowcat: that explains much... |
| 17:27.45 | newdeb | hacim, THEY ARE INSTALLED BUT SOMETHING IS WRONG TOO |
| 17:27.53 | newdeb | oops caps |
| 17:27.54 | blujay | Shadowcat: but why did you turn off sshd? |
| 17:27.57 | hacim | newdeb: HOW DID YOU INSTALL THEM? |
| 17:28.05 | Shadowcat | !caps |
| 17:28.06 | dpkg | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people not want to answer you. |
| 17:28.11 | kspath | newdeb: All caps is considered shouting try to avoid it (be careful). |
| 17:28.14 | Shadowcat | blujay: we didn't, you think we did |
| 17:28.15 | DragonD | How do i make sshd "auto start"? |
| 17:28.19 | Ronin | !tell hacim about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:28.23 | DragonD | update-rc.d? |
| 17:28.30 | newdeb | someone type nvidia dpkg please for Hascim |
| 17:28.39 | blujay | Shadowcat: oh...so...how are you 0wn1n6 my b0x now that sshd is off? |
| 17:28.41 | kspath | DragonD: How did you install sshd? |
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| 17:28.46 | dafresh | hi, i have a cron job that run every 5 min and i would like to disable the syslog loging only for this job, how can i do that ? |
| 17:28.46 | newdeb | kspath, sorry |
| 17:28.55 | blujay | dafresh: you might look into fcron |
| 17:28.56 | Shadowcat | blujay: it isn't off |
| 17:28.59 | hacim | Ronin: yeah, I was using the upstream version, and doing nvidia-installer -f |
| 17:29.03 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 17:29.08 | blujay | Shadowcat: doh...where's my rkhunter... |
| 17:29.26 | dafresh | blujay, fcron ?! i know cron but fcron ... |
| 17:29.37 | DragonD | kspath: it was installed with the debain base system |
| 17:29.43 | blujay | dafresh: fcron is like cron but on steroids (sorry, Rinks, I know you won't like the sound of that... ;) |
| 17:29.54 | kspath | DragonD: Did you look in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 17:30.05 | blujay | dafresh: good steroids, that is...not the bad kind like MLB players used... |
| 17:30.20 | newdeb | how do i register my nic |
| 17:31.11 | Ronin | newdeb: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:31.11 | blujay | newdeb: you call the Ethernet Corporation... |
| 17:31.11 | newdeb | never mind read the info sorry lol |
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| 17:31.12 | newdeb | you guys help lol :) |
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| 17:31.12 | blujay | do we need a #debian-humor channel? |
| 17:31.12 | dafresh | blujay, okay, i'll take a look on it, thx |
| 17:31.12 | DragonD | kspath: yeah |
| 17:31.13 | newdeb | blujay, yes |
| 17:31.17 | blujay | dafresh: I really like fcron myself, real easy to do stuff like that |
| 17:31.18 | kspath | DragonD: Does /etc/init.d/ssh exist? |
| 17:31.23 | daft | I have a problem with the lirc-kernel-module it isnt compiling properly and i have no clew why |
| 17:31.23 | newdeb | apt-get update hunour |
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| 17:31.34 | blujay | newdeb: er...I think you mean # apt-get INSTALL humor :) |
| 17:31.36 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 17:31.42 | Shadowcat | aptitude purge noobs |
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| 17:31.44 | Shadowcat | problem solved |
| 17:31.48 | newdeb | blujay, ty again :)_ |
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| 17:32.02 | Quibus | blujay: well, the 'failsafe GNOME" doesn't work either. It looked a lot like a kernel panic |
| 17:32.05 | blujay | but if we purge the noobs, who will be left in here? |
| 17:32.14 | newdeb | er |
| 17:32.15 | blujay | Quibus: I thought you said it worked...? |
| 17:32.18 | newdeb | ^ |
| 17:32.24 | DragonD | kspath: yeah |
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| 17:32.32 | newdeb | 2 admins would be left lol |
| 17:32.33 | Quibus | that was 'failsafe with terminal'. There it only starts X with one term. Not even a wm |
| 17:32.38 | kspath | DragonD: /etc/init.d/ssh is the start script for sshd. |
| 17:32.50 | blujay | Quibus: oh, right, sorry |
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| 17:33.15 | blujay | Quibus: I'm really running dry here, sorry...maybe post to a mailing list, and/or file a bug on the BTS |
| 17:33.21 | kspath | DragonD: There is a README in /etc/init.d/ that might be helpful. |
| 17:33.31 | Quibus | blujay: but to which package? |
| 17:33.33 | DragonD | kspath: yeah... how do i manage the rc?.d/ scripts |
| 17:33.56 | kspath | DragonD: disable/enable without editing each script? |
| 17:34.08 | newdeb | SORRY TOO SHOUT BUT BYE FOR NOW.THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP |
| 17:34.09 | blujay | Quibus: therein lies the question... I guess since GNOME seems to be making it crash, to a GNOME package...maybe gnome-session...but you might find a way to just e-mail the GNOME maintainers and ask them |
| 17:34.12 | blujay | newdeb: bye |
| 17:34.20 | DragonD | kspath: yeah |
| 17:34.24 | newdeb | MAN U GUYS ARE HELPFUL |
| 17:34.25 | SnuS | Hello. my PHP is giving me this "PHP Warning: mime_magic: type regex BEGIN[[:space:]]*[{] application/x-awk invalid in Unknown on line 0" when executing from CLI. the #php guys sent me here. |
| 17:34.37 | newdeb | thank you all |
| 17:34.38 | knoxy | Hi all! I've a problem in sarg (segmentation fault) in source and .deb (I use debian testing). Somebody help-me? |
| 17:34.50 | blujay | "<newdeb> MAN U GUYS ARE HELPFUL" ...Can we get that quoted somewhere for the next time someone complains about this channel? |
| 17:34.51 | Quibus | blujay: I'll try to start gnome-session manually |
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| 17:35.01 | blujay | knoxy: what's sarg? |
| 17:35.12 | blujay | Quibus: good idea |
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| 17:35.24 | blujay | SnuS: it's a known problem, the bug is in the BTS |
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| 17:35.40 | knoxy | blujay generator of squid logs |
| 17:35.40 | Quibus | there we go agian... |
| 17:35.42 | SnuS | blujay so I'm supposed to just ignore it ? or is there any fix ? |
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| 17:35.45 | blujay | SnuS: it's not a problem with PHP, it's the magic lib I think |
| 17:35.55 | blujay | SnuS: I guess you'll have to wait for the fix to be uploaded |
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| 17:36.11 | blujay | knoxy: ok...do you have the latest version? |
| 17:36.13 | SnuS | can I uninstall the magic lib so it doesn't get loaded by php ? I doubt I use it. |
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| 17:36.40 | blujay | SnuS: um...it's part of the core of the system, I think...many things use it, I don't think you should remove it |
| 17:36.44 | blujay | SnuS: let me see if I can find the bug |
| 17:36.58 | SnuS | ahm. you're right, apt wants to uninstall apache :\ |
| 17:37.06 | blujay | #361892 |
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| 17:37.21 | knoxy | blujay |
| 17:37.22 | knoxy | yes |
| 17:37.24 | knoxy | gateway:/etc/squid# sarg |
| 17:37.24 | knoxy | Falha de segmentação |
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| 17:37.26 | blujay | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361892 |
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| 17:37.44 | kspath | !tell DragonD about update-rc.d |
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| 17:38.25 | blujay | SnuS: apparently I was wrong, it is a PHP bug... |
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| 17:38.31 | blujay | SnuS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364212 |
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| 17:39.11 | blujay | SnuS: although...I"m not sure about that :) |
| 17:39.23 | blujay | SnuS: anyway, read this for more info: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357373 |
| 17:39.23 | kspath | DragonD: apt-cache search update-rc.d |
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| 17:39.44 | stevietool | hello I'm trying to install debian from a floppy on a toshiba T4900CT laptop, but the pcmcia card can't be recognized: epimax ep-4103dl |
| 17:39.58 | blujay | SnuS: http://forum.lighttpd.net/topic/462 |
| 17:40.12 | SnuS | found it. thank you. |
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| 17:41.46 | Quibusch | blujay: well, starting gnome-session crashes X |
| 17:41.59 | blujay | Quibusch: well, I really don't know how to fix that :( |
| 17:42.08 | Quibusch | blujay: also, suddenly my eth0 isn't up, although dmesg says that it is. |
| 17:42.30 | Quibusch | might be a dhcp problem though, in combination with the hard reboots |
| 17:43.19 | blujay | Quibusch: maybe...you can always run dhclient yourself |
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| 17:43.32 | Quibusch | if I do an ifup eth0, it works |
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| 17:43.46 | jstevens | I built a 2.6.15 kernel using the Debian linux-source package and the stock config-2.6.15-1-686 .config file that comes with the Debian kernel package. When I boot I'm unable to mount my root fs. I get "Alert! /dev/mapper/vg00-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" What up with that? |
| 17:43.48 | spyklops | I seem to be missing fonts, what font packages are installed by default, usually? |
| 17:44.10 | stew | jstevens: did you build an initrd? |
| 17:44.27 | stew | spyklops: xfonts-base ; what version of x? |
| 17:44.37 | jstevens | Yes, an initrd was built when I installed the compiled kernel. |
| 17:45.04 | stew | jstevens: when you installed the kernel you compiled, right? |
| 17:45.10 | stew | jstevens: which initrd tool did you use? |
| 17:45.27 | spyklops | don't know what version... it's just xorg |
| 17:45.28 | Shadowcat | why are you using initrd on a custom kernel? |
| 17:45.50 | Shadowcat | an* |
| 17:46.04 | spyklops | I have xfonts-base, xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi |
| 17:46.23 | spyklops | I still get weird characters in things like pstree |
| 17:46.57 | jstevens | Let's see, I included the --initrd flag in make-kpkg. |
| 17:47.09 | Firehand | spyklops: install the -transcoded fonts too |
| 17:47.19 | Firehand | that could help |
| 17:47.23 | valdyn | jstevens: your initrd is not suitable for lvm, even if you made one |
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| 17:48.18 | jstevens | Yes, I don't see any LVM tools in the initrd. |
| 17:48.20 | stew | spyklops: which version of xserver-xorg do you have installed? |
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| 17:48.23 | valdyn | jstevens: easiest solution really should be to just compile IN the required modules and not use an initrd |
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| 17:48.35 | valdyn | jstevens: why would you need lvm tools in that initrd |
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| 17:48.47 | spyklops | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.48 | h2k | is mysql-server installable on etch amd64? |
| 17:49.07 | jstevens | I mean, I don't see any LVM modules in the initrd. |
| 17:49.28 | stew | jstevens: are you trying to run root/boot on lvm or do you have a non-lvm root or boot partition? |
| 17:49.53 | valdyn | jstevens: so fix your kernel config and recompile |
| 17:50.02 | spyklops | do I have to restart to use these fonts? |
| 17:50.06 | jstevens | boot is not under LVM. Root is under LVM. |
| 17:50.12 | valdyn | spyklops: no |
| 17:50.30 | valdyn | spyklops: at most app and fontserver, if you do not use a fontserver just that app |
| 17:50.38 | StijnT | valdyn: it does not help compiling the device-mapper module in kernel, I've tried that myself, doesn't work |
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| 17:50.48 | yoo | HI ! |
| 17:50.54 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 17:50.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:50.59 | stew | jstevens: which initrd creator did you use? |
| 17:51.06 | yoo | How build an archive header with afio ? |
| 17:51.12 | jstevens | I'm curious, I used the same stock config that comes with the linux-image package yet my build didn't work correctly. |
| 17:51.22 | valdyn | StijnT: i have no idea what didnt work for you, lvm CAN be compiled in and will work without anytyhing else |
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| 17:51.45 | kspath | yoo: Yes, you do want to read afio cpio documentation. |
| 17:52.14 | Shadowcat | jstevens: the stock config assumes an initrd |
| 17:52.27 | jstevens | stew: I appened the --initrd to make-kpkg so the initrd gets installed when I install the kernel-image, no? I didn't specify an initrd creator. |
| 17:52.34 | yoo | kspath, i can with afio |
| 17:52.42 | yoo | but the little doc that i found is in englishj |
| 17:52.45 | yoo | but the little doc that i found is in english |
| 17:52.49 | kspath | !tell you about fr |
| 17:53.09 | jstevens | Shad0wcat: So, how would I create my own initrd that is compatible with the stock .config? |
| 17:53.11 | kspath | yoo: Seek assistance from those that speak/read/write your native language. |
| 17:53.25 | yoo | and i'm french and i don't understand why do headres |
| 17:53.27 | stew | jstevens: which ones do you have installed of initramfs-tools and yaird? |
| 17:53.29 | valdyn | jstevens: you probably want to tell us if this is just lvm or lvm on a software raid |
| 17:53.29 | StijnT | valdyn: kernel panic, unable to mount root fs, LVM compiled in-kernel |
| 17:53.38 | kspath | !tell yoo about fr |
| 17:54.00 | kspath | yoo: There is an irc channel that speaks french that might be able to translate. |
| 17:54.04 | jstevens | This is just LVM. Lemme check on initrd tools... |
| 17:54.06 | stew | StijnT: was your root fs on lvm? |
| 17:54.11 | aarchie2 | I'm running testing (etch) and having problems with power management. Under KDE the monitor turns off after an idle period although the settings in the Control Center are for no monitor power management. Can anyone advise? |
| 17:54.15 | StijnT | stew: ack |
| 17:54.17 | valdyn | jstevens: you edit your initrd generation tool's configuration |
| 17:54.18 | quitte | StijnT: i think with lvm root you always need an initrd to scan for the volumes |
| 17:54.23 | yoo | kspath, no this chan is awful |
| 17:54.29 | yoo | nobody know afio |
| 17:54.51 | jstevens | initramfs-tools is installled |
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| 17:55.01 | StijnT | quitte: well I'm thinking LVM needs some userspace tool to setup the device mappings - in the initrd |
| 17:55.04 | jstevens | How do I know that this was used to create my initrd? |
| 17:55.18 | stevietool | can I install a basic linux system from floppy to hd? I tried debian from floppy but he didn't recognized my pcmcia from edimax |
| 17:55.22 | StijnT | quitte: but I did not manage to get that done |
| 17:55.28 | stew | jstevens: i had trouble with initramfs-tools and lvm that wen't away when i used yaird instead |
| 17:55.38 | stew | wen't? nice, stew |
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| 17:55.46 | StijnT | actually I gave up trying to get it fixed, but since someone here is having the same problem, I'm interested again :) |
| 17:56.10 | jstevens | initrd-tools is installed as well. I suspect that is what was used. That's what all my previous kernel builds used I believe -- for years. |
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| 17:56.40 | overture2112 | can anyone suggest the safest filesystem for a large fileserver (>1TB). performance isn't really a concern |
| 17:56.49 | quitte | StijnT: /usr/share/doc/lvm2/examples/lvm2create_initrd.gz |
| 17:56.57 | StijnT | quitte: tried that too, didn't help |
| 17:57.06 | gnufan | stevietool: You can kick start a Debian install from floppies, if you have a network connection. But Debian itself is a tad big for floppy only installs. Try Damn Small Linux if it is floppy only install |
| 17:57.07 | stew | overture2112: when in doubt use ext3 |
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| 17:57.44 | StijnT | quitte: I've tried about anything I could find about that issue, I've spent a whole day trying to "make it work", no succes |
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| 17:58.19 | quitte | StijnT: i just used the installer and didnt make my own kernel. no problem |
| 17:58.21 | valdyn | overture2112: ext3 |
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| 17:58.44 | jstevens | So, it appears I need to edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf so it will build an initrd with LVM support. |
| 17:58.46 | StijnT | quitte: indeed, the debian linux-image-* package seems to handle it fine, but I need my own kernel for Xen |
| 17:58.54 | stew | jstevens: check the bts, there are other that say the same: initramfs-tools fails with lvm but yaird works |
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| 17:59.08 | valdyn | jstevens: there's more config files there, like 'modules' |
| 17:59.10 | aarkerio | Hi! somebody knows a terminal emulator with tabs like Gnome-treminal but lighter ?? |
| 17:59.17 | gnufan | overture2112: hate to be cynical -- but why a 1TB filesystem, sounds a bad idea to me. I know you can buy 1TB disks these days but that is probably the only excuse. |
| 17:59.34 | valdyn | jstevens: however, did you verify that that is even the proper config? debian has a few initrd generation tools |
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| 17:59.51 | yoo | How build an archive header with afio ? please |
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| 18:00.02 | stew | aarkerio: mrxvt |
| 18:00.04 | peritus | is there an easy, permanent way to change firefoxs icons to the mozilla ones? |
| 18:00.16 | jstevens | Mmm... It's just odd. I thought there was just one initrd creation tool that automaticly runs if you add the --initrd flag to make-kpkg |
| 18:00.35 | valdyn | jstevens: only yaird does autodetection _after_ primary install, the other tools will not autodetect anything |
| 18:00.37 | StijnT | jstevens: actually, it seems that the initrd is created during install of the .deb |
| 18:00.39 | tonix | hi guys, what is the real server free memory using the command free? thanks |
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| 18:01.03 | jstevens | Yes, the initrd *is* created durring the install of the deb. |
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| 18:01.07 | stevietool | gnufan: I have a pcmcia card, but I think I can only run this pcmcia-driver-proces for linux when I install a basic system |
| 18:01.11 | azeem | tonix: can you rephrase your question? |
| 18:01.23 | valdyn | jstevens: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
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| 18:01.27 | stew | tonix: what is your definition of "real server free memory" ? |
| 18:01.29 | stevietool | gnufan: so DSL is the best option? |
| 18:01.48 | tonix | azeem: ok, the command free outputs a lot of information about total/free/buffers ram... |
| 18:01.54 | gnufan | stevietool: the debian install has PCMCIA support -- depends what you want the box to do? |
| 18:01.57 | azeem | tonix: right |
| 18:02.22 | tonix | azeem: i'd like to know how many ram is really free.. |
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| 18:02.34 | aarchie2 | I'm running testing (etch) and having problems with monitor power management. In KDE: the tick box for "Enable display power management" isn't ticked & the screensaver isn't set to come on either, but the monitor still switches off after a period of no KB/mouse input. In Gnome the monitor doesn't switch off. I'd like to use KDE but need the monitor not to switch off. Can anyone advise? |
| 18:02.35 | valdyn | !ram |
| 18:02.36 | dpkg | i heard ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep |
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| 18:03.01 | valdyn | tonix: you can always assume that not much ram at all is 'really' free, everything else is newly booted or a broken system |
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| 18:03.33 | stew | tonix: there are 2 answers. the first entry in the free colum is how much is actually free. however the memory being used for cache can be freed as soon as it is needed, so that the second entry in the free colum is how much is really available to your applications |
| 18:03.34 | azeem | tonix: this is a tough question when considering modern Unix kernels |
| 18:04.05 | tonix | azeem: thanks! |
| 18:04.06 | valdyn | tonix: so maybe you really want to know 'how much more ram is available for applications to claim' |
| 18:04.29 | tonix | valdyn: yes, indeed |
| 18:04.46 | stevietool | gnufan: laptop PI toshiba T4900CT, some basic computing (mailing, surfing, officework), pcmcia card = edimax ep-4103DL, linux driver steps are on the edimax support cd |
| 18:05.02 | valdyn | tonix: second value in the -/+ buffers/cache line |
| 18:05.03 | tonix | stew: thanks! |
| 18:05.22 | tonix | valdyn: thanks a lot! |
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| 18:06.04 | gnufan | stevietool: I'd be tempted to do a Debian install if it'll fit then.. I was going to say I never used the installers PCMCIA support, then realised I must have used it for my laptop -- that hard hey ;) |
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| 18:06.26 | didas | hi all |
| 18:06.51 | didas | My cdrecord complains: |
| 18:06.51 | didas | scsidev: '0,0,0' |
| 18:06.52 | didas | scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 |
| 18:07.00 | valdyn | didas: uname - |
| 18:07.02 | valdyn | didas: uname -r |
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| 18:07.10 | didas | cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 18:07.14 | valdyn | didas: custom or debian kernel |
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| 18:07.30 | didas | debian kernel 2.4 |
| 18:07.33 | didas | surge |
| 18:07.43 | didas | so... |
| 18:07.45 | valdyn | didas: modprobe ide-scsi |
| 18:07.49 | didas | let me tell you what I am doing |
| 18:07.59 | valdyn | didas: no need for that |
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| 18:08.16 | didas | I am doing a 'grep hd.: /var/log/kern.log' an I get the following about my hdc |
| 18:08.16 | didas | kernel: hdc: ARTEC WRR-52Z 1.23 20030421, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 18:08.17 | didas | kernel: hdc: attached ide-cdrom driver. |
| 18:08.32 | didas | My question is: Is the the ide-cdrom driver is NOT a scsi driver. So this is my problem right? |
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| 18:08.44 | valdyn | didas: yes |
| 18:09.02 | gnufan | didas: do yourself a favour and install a 2.6 kernel -- ide-scsi stuff is an evil hack |
| 18:09.04 | didas | Debian Sarge.. Sorry about that |
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| 18:09.10 | valdyn | didas: 'echo "ide-scsi" >> /etc/modules' and reboot |
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| 18:09.58 | valdyn | gnufan: or do what gnufan sais and you can use hdc to burn |
| 18:10.06 | valdyn | didas: or do what gnufan sais and you can use hdc to burn |
| 18:10.08 | didas | gnufan: ok. perhaps I do this after I completely loose my temper with this ... |
| 18:10.13 | stevietool | gnufan: :-) I tried it, but he won't recognize the card, I'll have to compile it, but there is no basic install yet of linux system... |
| 18:10.16 | nethenson | it i do an apt-get linux-source-2-6-15 ; cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15; make-kpkg --initrd --rev nethen0 ; dpkg -i ../kernel*deb ... will be any difference with the apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15? |
| 18:10.29 | valdyn | nethenson: yes |
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| 18:10.53 | nethenson | valdyn: what would be the difference? |
| 18:10.57 | quiet | is ftp.d.o down? |
| 18:11.06 | DimGR_lap | StijnT: yo ;) |
| 18:11.10 | valdyn | nethenson: the name, the initrd possibly |
| 18:11.10 | quiet | apt-get update keeps timing out... and this is a sarge server.. |
| 18:11.14 | StijnT | jstevens: would you mind letting me know in case you find a solution regarding the LVM problem? |
| 18:11.21 | StijnT | DimGR_lap: hi there :) |
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| 18:11.27 | quiet | 128.101.240.212 |
| 18:11.30 | quitte | where in the filesystem would be the right place for a debian mirror? |
| 18:11.42 | didas | valdyn: in two words... what would your suggestion do? |
| 18:11.55 | quiet | quitte, the debian website... or the entire pakcage pool, or what? |
| 18:12.01 | valdyn | didas: both can work fine, nothing wrong with ide-scsi in 2.4 kernels |
| 18:12.03 | nethenson | valdyn: and the supported devices, filesystems, etc... would be the same? |
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| 18:12.10 | bbrazil | quitte: /srv possibly |
| 18:12.16 | quitte | quiet: the sid source package pool |
| 18:12.28 | valdyn | nethenson: yes, but not for your / or /boot, since that depends on your initrd |
| 18:12.29 | quiet | wow... you have that much HD space? |
| 18:12.33 | jstevens | StijnT: I'll let you know. I'm going to do some reading on initrds in general and see what I have to do. |
| 18:12.41 | quitte | bbrazil: /srv is new and not used by anything,yet. where can i read about it? |
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| 18:12.54 | didas | gnufan:valdyn: thx |
| 18:13.18 | bbrazil | quitte: thfe FHS. it's for whatever data you serve. No program should use it |
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| 18:13.44 | stevietool | gnufan: I'll just go for a floppy dsl adventure |
| 18:13.55 | quitte | bbrazil: so why is www root in var by default? |
| 18:14.06 | StijnT | jstevens: thanks a lot, I'll ping you if I find something too |
| 18:14.08 | valdyn | quitte: there's many possibilities, many debian fileserver tools exist and have their own default locations too |
| 18:14.17 | quiet | quitte, it's there by default in almost all nix systems.. save freebsd.. and archlinux |
| 18:14.19 | bbrazil | quitte: because it's variable data, it's from before /srv existed |
| 18:14.30 | jstevens | StijnT: Cool |
| 18:14.38 | quitte | valdyn: i want to use reprepro as im already used that and it seems a great tool to me |
| 18:14.53 | nethenson | valdyn: i want to use the official 2.6.15 -i like the things/filesystems it support- , but i need to patch it (with level7-firewall patches)... what would be the best thing? apt-get linux-sources; patch ; make-kpkg; dpkg -i ? |
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| 18:14.59 | quitte | bbrazil: so it should be moved? |
| 18:15.06 | diesel | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 18:15.07 | dpkg | methinks 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 18:15.13 | bbrazil | quitte: I'm not too well up on it to answer |
| 18:15.20 | valdyn | nethenson: just do what you pasted above |
| 18:16.00 | nethenson | thanks, valdyn :) |
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| 18:16.16 | Allaun | hello everyone |
| 18:16.17 | quitte | ok. so /srv/debian-mirror unless someone explains me there was some better place to put it. |
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| 18:16.42 | Allaun | the Nintendo Wii is official now |
| 18:16.50 | valdyn | quitte: any place that makes sense for _you_ is fine |
| 18:17.57 | quitte | valdyn: id prefer to learn the way that makes most sense. this is a very clean system atm and id like to keep it this way |
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| 18:18.37 | FabParmaITA | the best RESCUE LINUX Bootcd? can you suggest me please? |
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| 18:19.14 | jafo_ | Does anyone know anything about Firefox seg faulting when running java apps? (etch) |
| 18:19.36 | jafo_ | I'm using jre1.5.0_06. |
| 18:19.54 | streuner | jafo_: try blackdown's java |
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| 18:20.07 | jafo_ | That a package? |
| 18:20.22 | streuner | jafo_: /msg dpkg blackdown |
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| 18:22.03 | nonex-nlp | ppl me need XGL KDE!! |
| 18:22.04 | jafo_ | Great! thx streuner. |
| 18:22.08 | nonex-nlp | who use? |
| 18:22.21 | kspath | nonex-nlp: ppl ? |
| 18:22.25 | tuv | what's wrong with testing, i just dist-upgraded and could not login to X since |
| 18:22.40 | nonex-nlp | need xgl for kde |
| 18:22.50 | nonex-nlp | me use xgl gnome |
| 18:22.56 | nonex-nlp | oh bad engl |
| 18:22.57 | kspath | nonex-nlp: What does ppl mean? |
| 18:23.12 | nonex-nlp | ppl=people ) |
| 18:23.14 | nonex-nlp | ok |
| 18:23.24 | nonex-nlp | who use XGL KDE? |
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| 18:24.08 | nethenson | how can i know the kernel .config I am using? |
| 18:24.19 | stew | nethenson: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:24.32 | stew | nethenson: XGL is not yet packaged for debian |
| 18:25.00 | kspath | stew: nonex-nlp was asking about XGL. |
| 18:25.00 | tuv | anyone using up-to-date testing? have you tried to log into X recently? |
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| 18:25.08 | nonex-nlp | me testing |
| 18:25.12 | nonex-nlp | me up gnome all ok |
| 18:25.16 | nonex-nlp | no kde |
| 18:25.20 | nonex-nlp | me need KDE xgl |
| 18:25.33 | dazjorz | learn english... |
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| 18:25.35 | stew | nonex-nlp: there is no xgl for debian yet |
| 18:25.44 | nonex-nlp | hm |
| 18:25.56 | nonex-nlp | me debian sarge 3.1 re TESTING |
| 18:26.10 | nonex-nlp | me use gnome XGL no bug |
| 18:26.10 | tuv | what is xgl anyway? |
| 18:26.17 | nonex-nlp | hm |
| 18:26.22 | kspath | nonex-nlp: debian sarge is stable debian etch is testing |
| 18:26.25 | nonex-nlp | xgl 4d desctop |
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| 18:26.34 | nonex-nlp | 3d desctop |
| 18:26.45 | kps | x fonts are apparently broken in x.org v7 and unstable, any clues? |
| 18:26.45 | nonex-nlp | ok ok |
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| 18:27.00 | nonex-nlp | who use XGL KDE? |
| 18:27.02 | stew | !debwiki kps XOrg69To7 |
| 18:27.02 | dpkg | kps: http://wiki.debian.org/XOrg69To7 |
| 18:27.14 | kps | thanks, i look |
| 18:27.34 | nonex-nlp | me 2 |
| 18:27.37 | stew | kps: i'm sorry, http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 18:27.43 | aarchie2 | I'm running testing (etch) and having problems with monitor power management. In KDE the tick box for "Enable display power management" isn't ticked & the screensaver isn't set to come on either, but the monitor still switches off after a period of no KB/mouse input. In Gnome the monitor doesn't switch off. I'd like to use KDE but need the monitor not to switch off. Can anyone advise? |
| 18:27.50 | tuv | i can't log into X anymore in testing after the last dist-upgrade!! |
| 18:28.01 | stew | aarchie2: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 18:28.16 | stew | tuv: does your DM start? |
| 18:28.57 | aarchie2 | stew: was that supposed to send me a message? I haven't received anything.. |
| 18:29.11 | stew | !tell aarchie2 about screen blanking |
| 18:29.23 | tuv | stew: yes, and gnome starts loading but returns to the DM login screen and does not complete the loing |
| 18:29.29 | kspath | aarchie2: That was a hint to get you to ask dpkg about screen blanking. |
| 18:29.32 | tuv | *teh login |
| 18:29.34 | stew | tuv: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:31.29 | tuv | stew: there 4 lines there, but they look ok: running sessreg, beginning session setup, SESSION_MANAGER=...blah blah |
| 18:31.30 | Luftzig | hello everyone... I am using setkeycodes to set some key codes for my keyboard (duh) and I have two problems. 1. it assigns keycodes without any consideration of what specified. 2. I have to run it in every system boot |
| 18:32.28 | stew | tuv: what is the last line there? |
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| 18:33.24 | tuv | stew: SESSION_MANAGER=local/<hostname>:/tmp/.ICE-unix/7654 |
| 18:33.58 | stew | tuv: i'd check the bts for gnome-session if i were you |
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| 18:34.15 | tuv | stew: there is a Fatal server error in Xorg.log: Caught signal 11 |
| 18:34.21 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 18:34.22 | tuv | stew: server aborting |
| 18:34.38 | DevilChaos | anyone here using mldonkey? |
| 18:34.48 | azeem | DevilChaos: please ask specific questions |
| 18:35.07 | DevilChaos | id like to find severs to connect to iv googled it didnt come up with much |
| 18:35.13 | DevilChaos | ?# |
| 18:35.13 | stew | tuv: yeah, i'd guess the server is aborting becuase your gnome-session is segfaulting |
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| 18:35.29 | azeem | DevilChaos: ask/look somewhere else please |
| 18:36.01 | gnufan | Luftzig: any particular reason for setting keycodes? A lot of common needs can be dealt with in the Windows managers (GNOME/KDE), although I'm sure there is a generic way of getting X to load keymapping possibly via X resources think I have a note on my website about that |
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| 18:36.49 | nonex-nlp | !debwiki xgl kde |
| 18:36.49 | dpkg | xgl: http://wiki.debian.org/kde |
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| 18:36.53 | DevilChaos | debian got a good update recently for testing just done it just now and its much quicker on the login and startup anyone else notice that? |
| 18:37.32 | Luftzig | gnufan, I'm not using a desktop enviroment, and I want those multimedia keys mapped in X, not by daemon. |
| 18:37.36 | nonex-nlp | !debwiki xgl |
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| 18:37.42 | vin` | nonex-nlp: no xgl or aiglx for debian yet, your search is futile. |
| 18:37.43 | gnufan | Luftzig: the X was is ".Xmodmap" but if you need them in console mode, it is back to the console HOWTO I'm afraid. |
| 18:38.33 | User900 | -> shogunx Hello, do you want rememeber ? Debian BO and ISA 3Com 509 cards ? |
| 18:38.36 | nonex-nlp | arghh |
| 18:38.54 | nonex-nlp | !debwiki kde xgl |
| 18:38.55 | dpkg | kde: http://wiki.debian.org/xgl |
| 18:39.08 | vin` | meh |
| 18:39.11 | c459s | can I set an idle timeout in the sshd? |
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| 18:39.16 | gnufan | Luftzig: I wrote this 6 years ago -- I knew more then ;) http://simonwaters.technocool.net/eighth/news/Newsletter10.htm |
| 18:39.32 | dynamite | TasteOfDeath |
| 18:39.35 | dynamite | erwischt :) |
| 18:39.35 | nonex-nlp | argh |
| 18:39.42 | Luftzig | gnufan, sadly, some of the keys don't get it's scancodes mapped, so I have to map them manually before mapping them for X. |
| 18:39.48 | nonex-nlp | ppl pls site XGL +KDE??? |
| 18:39.53 | nonex-nlp | who use? |
| 18:40.07 | azeem | nonex-nlp: nobody in here, probably |
| 18:40.26 | kspath | nonex-nlp: Can you please use English words? |
| 18:40.30 | lekvar | I've got a laptop with a current etch install and a cardbus slot, but when I stick in a cardbus ethernet card, the log says something like CS: Cardbus not supported. wtf? |
| 18:40.43 | vin` | kspath: can't you see he's trying to? |
| 18:40.45 | nonex-nlp | kspath me bad |
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| 18:41.12 | nonex-nlp | me need XGL+KDE pls help! |
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| 18:41.28 | nonex-nlp | understand? |
| 18:41.33 | nonex-nlp | ^) |
| 18:41.34 | nonex-nlp | >>:) |
| 18:41.36 | stew | nonex-nlp: yes we understand. we can't help you |
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| 18:41.44 | nonex-nlp | y |
| 18:41.58 | stew | nonex-nlp: please stop repeating yourself |
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| 18:42.07 | nonex-nlp | ok |
| 18:42.19 | kspath | vin`: <nonex-nlp> ppl=people ) apparently trolling and/or not even trying to write in English. |
| 18:42.21 | shevek | Hi. Is there a special installer channel somewhere, or should I just ask here? (or maybe on -mentors, it being about building udebs?) |
| 18:42.37 | tuv | stew: i downgraded a few packages and it's working now.. not sure which one exactly is responsible though |
| 18:42.44 | ooev | hi all, i have a problem with CPU affinity. |
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| 18:42.45 | c459s | Guys, do you know if you can set timeout for idle conncections in Opensshd. IdleTimeout seems to be supported by other servers but I can find nothing similar in the manual of opensshd. |
| 18:42.46 | stew | tuv: did you check the bts? |
| 18:42.55 | Joe7off | hi. anyone ever get to work a GigaRaid Ite8212 Raid thing under linux? |
| 18:42.57 | azeem | shevek: you can try here, then escalate to either #debian-boot, #debian-mentors or #debian-devel at your liking |
| 18:43.00 | azeem | shevek: (hi, btw) |
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| 18:43.18 | ooev | my system is a p4 2.8HT one. i turned on HT so there're two logical CPUs now. |
| 18:43.22 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 18:43.22 | dpkg | i guess custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 18:43.23 | gnufan | ooev: pervert -- oh not that kind of CPU affinity |
| 18:43.37 | stew | < kspath> nonex-nlp: What does ppl mean? <-- trolling, he knew what ppl meant. |
| 18:43.40 | cshaman | Hello, everyone. |
| 18:43.41 | tuv | stew: no.. i was stuck in the console.. maybe a will now. the point is this is a fairly new issue since it happened right after i upgraded and i upgrade daily |
| 18:43.42 | myren | what are the various releases? sarge is stable, etch is testing? cid is still unstable? no, thats not it |
| 18:43.59 | cshaman | Just for curiosity's sake, how do you all organize your home directories? |
| 18:44.01 | ooev | i install schedulutils package and use taskset to adjust the affinity of two processes. |
| 18:44.12 | Coweater | !tell myren -about releases |
| 18:44.18 | shevek | azeem: ah, -boot sounds good. :-) Anyway, the question is how I can add my own udeb to the installation somehow. It's on a floppy (in qemu), but I can only install from mirrors (with a Release file), official iso images, and kernel modules from floppy. |
| 18:44.19 | cshaman | Photos, pdfs, source code, etc. |
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| 18:44.32 | ooev | both processes takes 100% cpu time |
| 18:44.38 | User900 | I need some help: Debian 2.0 (hammm) + libc6 + Perl 5.6.1-7 + HotSaNIC -> where is error HotSaNIC setup failed: when setup try to set up each module for example networks it writes : sh: ./setup permission denied |
| 18:44.48 | azeem | shevek: check the custom netinst factoid abrotman summoned, maybe |
| 18:44.49 | *** part/#debian nonex-nlp (n=nonex-nl@193.238.48.4) |
| 18:44.51 | kspath | stew: I am trying to help people learn and communicate. People purposely using slang that some will not understand does not help. |
| 18:44.52 | ooev | now i wish to bind these two processes to second cpu |
| 18:44.54 | myren | that release info is incompelte |
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| 18:45.07 | myren | is cid still unstable? |
| 18:45.13 | abrotman | sid is always unstable |
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| 18:45.22 | Coweater | myren: it is not incomplete |
| 18:45.25 | Luftzig | gnufan, I read the article, it's not concerning my problem |
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| 18:45.37 | ooev | the problem now is, two processes still span on two CPUs. |
| 18:45.40 | myren | yeah just not all on the front page |
| 18:45.42 | stew | kspath: if you don't want him to use abreviations which are unfashonable in here, just tell him. or did you reall not know what ppl meant? |
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| 18:45.46 | ooev | both CPU are busy all the time. |
| 18:45.47 | c459s | Myren: yes, sid is unstable. |
| 18:46.06 | ooev | what could be wrong in here? i'm using 2.6.16.11. |
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| 18:47.31 | Quibus | Hi all |
| 18:47.43 | kspath | stew: I sometimes know what some persons attempts at abbreviation mean. However, If I simple tell/ask people to use valid English they tend to suddenly become defensive and others can get nervous as well. Asking questions designed to guide people toward a possible truth can be quite effective and less likely to cause offense. |
| 18:47.52 | Quibus | I think I found the problem: X crashes after updating xkb-data, when starting gnome-session |
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| 18:48.14 | User900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.32 | stew | kspath: i just think that it is unfair that you asked him what an abreviation meant and then accused him of trolling when he answered your question |
| 18:48.33 | ooev | gnufan: pervert? |
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| 18:48.53 | gnufan | ooev: never mind -- it doesn't work if it has to be explained |
| 18:49.10 | kspath | stew: I was referring to the repeated repeated repeated questions about XGL after it was answered numerous times. |
| 18:49.20 | steve | hello guys, does anyone know if there is some IRC channel about bind (dns)? |
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| 18:49.48 | bbrazil | steve: #bind |
| 18:49.50 | stew | kspath: actually that's not what you referred to |
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| 18:49.57 | vin` | kspath: well you didn't tell him not to repeat. anyway EOD. |
| 18:50.09 | ooev | gnufan: can you give me a link that i can learn about this pervert? |
| 18:50.14 | User900 | Please !!!! I need some help: Debian 2.0 (hammm) + libc6 + Perl 5.6.1-7 + HotSaNIC -> where is error HotSaNIC setup failed: when setup try to set up each module for example networks it writes : sh: ./setup permission denied |
| 18:50.24 | steve | someone expert in bind? |
| 18:50.28 | myren | how can i send a message to all users as root? |
| 18:50.35 | myren | i need to inform them of some maintencne |
| 18:50.41 | shogunx | what do you need steve? |
| 18:50.42 | r_marvin | steve: what's the problem? |
| 18:50.45 | myren | just something that'll pop up on consol |
| 18:50.49 | shogunx | myrenwall |
| 18:50.49 | cshaman | myren: email? |
| 18:50.51 | bbrazil | myren: wall |
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| 18:51.13 | peritus | User900: sorry, but why dont you upgrade to something more recent? |
| 18:51.14 | steve | well, I'm in fact learning to configure bind9, it all works fine, but I can not get subdomain delegation to work |
| 18:51.34 | User900 | on i486 ? |
| 18:51.37 | shogunx | steve like an A record for fred.foo.com? |
| 18:51.44 | r_marvin | steve: subdomain IN NS ip.of.name.server |
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| 18:52.10 | kspath | stew: vin` did not like me correcting/asking the person about their English because of possible non-english understanding ability. However when asked what they meant they had no problem answering. The repeated repeated repeated questions about XGL appeared to be an attempt to troll since several answers appeared to be ignored. |
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| 18:52.15 | bbrazil | r_marvin: eh, NS records may only contain domain names, not IP addresses |
| 18:52.18 | dynamite | jstevens: or open-root.de ? |
| 18:52.19 | dynamite | :D |
| 18:52.27 | steve | i will show you a small piece from my config: my domain is: weemaels.com |
| 18:52.33 | steve | and my subdomain is: office.weemaels.com |
| 18:52.34 | r_marvin | bbrazil: right |
| 18:52.38 | r_marvin | sorry :) |
| 18:52.41 | steve | office 86400 IN NS dns.office.weemaels.com. |
| 18:52.43 | steve | dns.office.weemaels.com. IN A 192.168.0.10 |
| 18:52.49 | steve | and this really does not work |
| 18:52.58 | steve | ping: unknown host dns.office.weemaels.com |
| 18:52.59 | Quibus | anyone here familiar with xkb-data? |
| 18:53.08 | User900 | -> shogunx (Do you want remember ? ISA CARDS 3c509 and Deb. BO), now this: I need some help: Debian 2.0 (hammm) + libc6 + Perl 5.6.1-7 + HotSaNIC -> where is error HotSaNIC setup failed: when setup try to set up each module for example networks it writes : sh: ./setup permission denied |
| 18:53.13 | bbrazil | steve: did you relaod the zone? |
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| 18:53.26 | steve | well, I allways reload bind9...? |
| 18:53.37 | steve | or restart the service |
| 18:53.47 | bbrazil | steve: rndc reload is enough |
| 18:53.59 | steve | I do /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 18:54.00 | libertad | Please, I need read the port com |
| 18:54.02 | libertad | someone? |
| 18:54.21 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:54.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:54.22 | shogunx | User900 i remember... i mounted an old drive i had, but i had overwritten it, and hence, the script for the 3com initialization was gone. |
| 18:54.24 | bbrazil | r_marvin: dig @localhost dns.office.weemaels.com. |
| 18:54.47 | steve | dig command shows nothing |
| 18:54.52 | steve | ;dns.office.weemaels.com. IN A |
| 18:54.52 | shogunx | User900, change the permissions on setup.sh? |
| 18:55.05 | bbrazil | steve: check logs for errors |
| 18:55.22 | User900 | all performed under root |
| 18:55.22 | steve | also no errors in logfiles |
| 18:55.28 | steve | it's really weird :-( |
| 18:55.41 | bbrazil | steve: you got the zone listed as a master in bind.conf? |
| 18:55.42 | shogunx | steve syntax is like this: $ORIGIN gnuveau.net. mail 300 IN A 24.227.114.150 |
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| 18:55.53 | shogunx | $ORIGIN gnuveau.net. |
| 18:55.53 | steve | yes |
| 18:56.00 | shogunx | mail 300 IN A 24.227.114.150 |
| 18:56.09 | steve | I took all the zonesyntax from a bind9 manual |
| 18:56.10 | shogunx | you have the $ORIGIN? |
| 18:56.17 | steve | the zones work both perfect |
| 18:56.27 | steve | but I can not get the delegation to work |
| 18:56.30 | shogunx | User900, find the setup.sh, and chmod 755 it. |
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| 18:56.43 | bbrazil | shogunx: his A line is fully qualified, ORIGIN shouldn't make a difference |
| 18:57.10 | lightcap | why does debian's postgresql seem not to have initdb availalbe? |
| 18:57.13 | shogunx | bbrazil where is his db.domain file? |
| 18:57.18 | User900 | all perrmissions are ok , i have this controlled, but still it writes it |
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| 18:57.24 | bbrazil | shogunx: dunno |
| 18:57.29 | steve | so you guys also think that it should be a small (stupid) problem? |
| 18:57.33 | bbrazil | steve: are other entries in that file working? |
| 18:57.37 | gnufan | steve do you have a NS record in the office zone file? |
| 18:57.42 | bbrazil | steve: also, could you publish the zone file? |
| 18:57.53 | shogunx | steve paste your db.domain file in #paste |
| 18:57.57 | steve | yes, when I dig the zones, they work fine |
| 18:58.19 | bbrazil | steve: is the dns.office entry there when you AXFR? |
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| 18:58.22 | steve | ok |
| 18:58.37 | steve | ow maybe one question |
| 18:58.52 | steve | is it necessary to make the zones master-slave of each other? |
| 18:59.03 | bbrazil | steve: this should be set as master |
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| 18:59.08 | gnufan | steve paste the zone files somewhere -- I'll tell you what is wrong.... |
| 18:59.11 | steve | they are both master |
| 18:59.16 | steve | ok gnufan |
| 18:59.24 | bbrazil | steve: you generally only have one master per zone |
| 18:59.35 | steve | $TTL 1D |
| 18:59.36 | steve | weemaels.com. SOA ns1.weemaels.com. steve.weemaels.com. ( |
| 18:59.36 | steve | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.36 | steve | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.36 | steve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.52 | abrotman | nice serial |
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| 19:00.36 | gnufan | Oh look he hasn't updated the serial number either ;) |
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| 19:00.49 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 19:00.52 | gnufan | !tell steve about paste |
| 19:00.59 | steve | I just saw it :-) |
| 19:01.00 | bbrazil | and weemaels.com doesn't exist either |
| 19:01.20 | abrotman | not yet it doesn't! |
| 19:01.39 | steve | what do you mean with weemaels.com doesn't exist? |
| 19:01.58 | bbrazil | abrotman: isn't in whois either |
| 19:01.59 | tarzeau | hey abrotman |
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| 19:02.01 | steve | I was kicked off, so I did not see the previous text |
| 19:02.03 | gnufan | steve: it isn't delegated in the public internet |
| 19:02.07 | steve | no, it are zones on my LAN |
| 19:02.10 | steve | not on the internet |
| 19:02.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: hi |
| 19:02.19 | steve | it's just for testing |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | bbrazil: i was joking |
| 19:02.21 | ChoriZo | wenas |
| 19:02.27 | Quibus | anyone here from the X-Strike-Force? |
| 19:02.35 | tarzeau | Quibus: /msg dpkg ask |
| 19:02.41 | kspath | abrotman: I used to prefer to use YYYYMMDDNN Year Month Day NN number of changes beginning with 00 so up to 100 changes per day can be up to NNN or NNNN if needed/wanted. |
| 19:02.45 | gnufan | steve: I figured that -- they were just commenting -- whilst you were away there was comment on the serial numbers not being updated - |
| 19:02.51 | Quibus | tarzeau: I tried to ask :-) |
| 19:02.53 | bbrazil | abrotman: sorry, though you were being serious ;) |
| 19:03.00 | steve | :-) |
| 19:03.06 | ChoriZo | puro ingles akà |
| 19:03.16 | steve | o I see |
| 19:03.23 | bbrazil | !br |
| 19:03.23 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:03.28 | tarzeau | Quibus: yes seen it in backlog, looked at bts yet? |
| 19:03.38 | abrotman | kspath: it's a pretty standard way of doing it |
| 19:03.39 | Quibus | tarzeau: yep |
| 19:03.52 | gnufan | steve: probably not the issue though -- if you restart bind9 and there is only one nameserver with this data it'll serve it serial affects zone transfers only. |
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| 19:04.13 | kspath | abrotman: It is now but long long ago you would be surprised/shocked all the different ways people imagined doing it. |
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| 19:04.27 | abrotman | i know .. i've seen older documents |
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| 19:04.33 | steve | not really understand it gnufan |
| 19:04.39 | steve | very sorry :-s |
| 19:04.40 | bbrazil | !es |
| 19:04.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:05.04 | DragonD | how do i add "testing" to apt-get? |
| 19:05.06 | DragonD | |
| 19:05.22 | gnufan | steve: just set the serial numbers right -- but if you don't have a slave server that probably won't change anything. |
| 19:05.33 | kspath | DragonD: You want to change from sarge/stable to etch/testing? |
| 19:05.57 | steve | Ow thanx gnufan! |
| 19:06.00 | gnufan | steve: paste the zone files somewhere (somewhere else this time!). |
| 19:06.01 | stew | DragonD: you dont' want to add testing pacakges to a stable install if that is what you are trying to do, /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:06.05 | kspath | DragonD: /etc/apt/sources.list is the list of sources apt uses. Please be careful and read about it first. |
| 19:06.10 | steve | ok :-) |
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| 19:06.46 | kspath | DragonD: stew's advice is good. |
| 19:06.54 | steve | well gnufan, this is the first zonefile: http://pastebin.com/685508 |
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| 19:06.56 | netman1 | Hi All. On a "shutdown -r -y now" I get "shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl". Google says to check wether it's writable, it is :-( What else can I do? The box is 200Km away! |
| 19:07.01 | abrotman | !tell DragonD about sarge->etch |
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| 19:07.42 | steve | and this is the second http://pastebin.com/685511 |
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| 19:07.53 | gnufan | steve: and I assume resolv.conf has 127.0.0.1 as the only nameserver? |
| 19:07.56 | shogunx | netman1 init 6 do anything? |
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| 19:08.09 | steve | yes indeed |
| 19:08.15 | frosh68 | hi all |
| 19:08.18 | hacim | how do I get a larger drive to be recognized on an older machine (it shows up only as 8.5gig) |
| 19:08.22 | netman1 | shogunz: I'll check, 1 moment. |
| 19:08.52 | bbrazil | steve: you're missing a glue record in weemaels.com. |
| 19:08.54 | frosh68 | i would like to install an app from sources (deb package not available), how can i first transfom it into a deb package for later ease of deinstallation? |
| 19:09.02 | steve | bbrazil: ow? |
| 19:09.23 | DragonD | well i just wanted to install mono from the testing because it is not in the rlease |
| 19:09.29 | DragonD | stable* |
| 19:09.34 | bbrazil | steve: you need an A record for dns.office |
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| 19:09.44 | netman1 | shogunx: "init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl" |
| 19:09.48 | kspath | DragonD: Did you investigate backports as stew pointed out? |
| 19:10.10 | spanglesontoast | how do I get to use the latest version of apache with debian |
| 19:10.16 | steve | bbrazil: I have an A record, It did not copy/paste well |
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| 19:10.38 | steve | dns.office.weemaels.com IN A 192.168.0.10 |
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| 19:10.50 | whitehorse1 | Hi. Can somebody using Debian Etch, with all current updates applied, please check and tell me what - specific - version of KDE it's using? (eg via application Help menus) |
| 19:10.57 | bbrazil | steve: you're missing a dot |
| 19:11.05 | gnufan | steve: weemaels.com -- serial number out of date. No glue record for dns.office (but that shouldn't matter if it is the only nameserver), -ve ttl (last field of SOA is too large - probably doesn't matter either), $ORIGIN is unneeded here, ns2 is picked up by the wildcard (yuk). |
| 19:11.10 | shogunx | netman1 not sure |
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| 19:11.22 | valdyn | !info kde etch |
| 19:11.27 | cahoot | whitehorse1: 3.5.2 |
| 19:11.32 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:45 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 19:11.33 | DragonD | kspath: not fully |
| 19:11.36 | spanglesontoast | !info etch |
| 19:11.42 | valdyn | !info kdebase etch |
| 19:11.45 | steve | gnufan: ok, thanx a lot for the advise, I will test the things out at once |
| 19:11.45 | frosh68 | i would like to install an app from sources (deb package not available), how can i first transfom it into a deb package for later ease of deinstallation? |
| 19:11.45 | whitehorse1 | valdyn: That implies the bot is up to date. It isn't always. |
| 19:11.46 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 19:11.48 | spanglesontoast | !info apache |
| 19:11.49 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-2 (sid), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 816 kB |
| 19:11.55 | spanglesontoast | !info apache2 |
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| 19:11.57 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 19:12.00 | spanglesontoast | yay |
| 19:12.09 | steve | bbrazil: also thanx a lot for the help |
| 19:12.11 | whitehorse1 | cahoot: thank you |
| 19:12.17 | spanglesontoast | !info apache3 |
| 19:12.22 | spanglesontoast | damn |
| 19:12.24 | spanglesontoast | :D |
| 19:12.28 | Phobes | Anyone ever heard of CoolPackager? |
| 19:12.32 | whitehorse1 | exit |
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| 19:12.54 | gnufan | steve: okay didn't see they were on different servers you need glue in the weemaels.com zone for the name server -- copy the dns.office.weemails.com. A record into the weemeal.com zone file. |
| 19:13.05 | kspath | Phobes: Are you asking a question about Cool |
| 19:13.19 | netman1 | shogunx: Then I'll have to hack that specific grid of the power company, don't I? ;-) |
| 19:13.20 | bbrazil | gnufan: he's gone |
| 19:13.22 | valdyn | frosh68: with checkinstall |
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| 19:13.33 | shogunx | netman1, heh heh |
| 19:13.38 | Phobes | kspath, No, I'm asking if anyone has heard of CoolPackager :P |
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| 19:15.00 | tuvwx | stew, i couldn't find anything in pts, but i tracked the problem and found the guilty package.. it's libxclavier10 version 2.2-3. version 2.2-1 is ok |
| 19:15.01 | gnufan | bbrazil: I see you got to the root of the problem whilst I was reading the paste.... hohum must read quicker in IRC |
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| 19:15.23 | tuvwx | stew, sorry, it's libxklavier10 |
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| 19:15.57 | stew | tuvwx: please do two things: file a bug against libxklavier10 and drop a note into wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 telling what you had to do to resolve it |
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| 19:16.04 | myren | i just booted my smp kernel, how can i tell if they're both running? |
| 19:16.07 | kspath | Phobes: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cpkg/ has heard of something that appears to match. |
| 19:16.15 | myren | erm how can i tell if both cpus are running |
| 19:16.21 | frosh68 | valdyn: thanx! i heard about it, but could not find it in testing sources. can i use stable or unstable version? |
| 19:16.28 | bbrazil | gnufan: I think the root of the problem was not understanding delegation |
| 19:16.32 | stew | Quibus: is tuvwx talking about the same problem you are having possibly? |
| 19:16.36 | path_ | a question |
| 19:16.38 | tuvwx | stew, but this has nothing to do with Xorg 7.. i'm still using 6.9 from testing |
| 19:16.40 | shogunx | myren /cat/proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:16.42 | myren | dmesg seemed to indicate taht it brough up both cpu's, but top says only 1 process running |
| 19:16.42 | kspath | myren: Does your top or htop or ps show anything interesting? |
| 19:16.46 | path_ | modprobe.conf is modules.conf on debian? |
| 19:16.48 | stew | tuvwx: oh, hm about the wiki then |
| 19:16.49 | stew | Quibus: nm |
| 19:16.52 | Quibus | It seems so |
| 19:16.53 | shogunx | myren, cat /proc/cpuinfo sorry |
| 19:17.00 | valdyn | path_: no |
| 19:17.07 | valdyn | path_: what are you trying to do |
| 19:17.09 | path_ | what is the file valdyn ? |
| 19:17.09 | Quibus | Check bug 364838 |
| 19:17.10 | stew | tuvwx: errr nevermind about the wiki that is, but please reportbug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:17.16 | myren | whoot whoot |
| 19:17.21 | path_ | trying to personalize a module valdyn |
| 19:17.22 | tuvwx | stew, sure |
| 19:17.23 | junix|work | is there any way for me to install sarge on a Dell Optiplex GX520 with a Intel SATA controller card...? |
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| 19:17.25 | stew | !dbugs 364838 |
| 19:17.27 | myren | kspath: thats what worried me, totally vanilla "1 process running" |
| 19:17.28 | dpkg | #364838:I[libxklavier10] xkb-data: systematically kills GNOME session during login; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:48:02 UTC |
| 19:17.37 | Quibus | stew, tarzeau, tuvwx - please check bugs 364838 and 364830 |
| 19:17.38 | myren | but /proc/cpuinfo indicates both |
| 19:17.47 | valdyn | path_: and which kernel version are you running |
| 19:17.48 | path_ | i need to add this: options ide-disk protect_method=1 |
| 19:17.52 | path_ | 2.6.16 |
| 19:18.09 | valdyn | path_: create a file of your choice in /etc/modprobe.d/ containing just that |
| 19:18.12 | Quibus | I guess downgrading libxklavier10 is useful |
| 19:18.30 | path_ | ok thanx valdyn :) |
| 19:18.39 | kspath | myren: Are you sure top and ps do not have differences in their output now? |
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| 19:19.29 | kspath | Google and Freshmeat.net are amazing resources for finding things. |
| 19:19.33 | tuvwx | Quibus, that's what i've done :) |
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| 19:19.50 | tuvwx | stew, i guess no need for reporting a bug |
| 19:19.52 | Quibus | tuvwx: do you have a good source for that 2.2-1 deb? |
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| 19:20.05 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 19:20.05 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 19:20.10 | tuvwx | Quibus, i found it in my /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 19:20.35 | Quibus | tuvwx: good idea, I have it there as well :-) |
| 19:20.47 | DragonD | qmail, postfix, or sendmail... any suggestions? |
| 19:20.59 | kspath | valdyn: Is there a way to donate money to the project with an earmark indicating support for long term storage? |
| 19:21.00 | tuvwx | exim? |
| 19:21.04 | valdyn | DragonD: exim4 or postifx |
| 19:21.13 | DragonD | i have exim |
| 19:21.20 | DragonD | but not exim4 |
| 19:21.23 | valdyn | kspath: no idea |
| 19:21.25 | frosh68 | one more question: when booting, scsi driver (aic7860) takes ages to load. what does it do and how can i speed it up? |
| 19:21.35 | myren | kspath: what kind of output can i get from ps that'll indicate how many cpu's i have? |
| 19:22.04 | valdyn | kspath: im not sure if i quite understand you. Sdn is not officially related to debian at all |
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| 19:22.14 | kspath | myren: I could swear it would show what processor a process was running on. |
| 19:22.28 | Phobes | What's the fastest way to install cvs? lol |
| 19:22.30 | kspath | valdyn: I did not know that. thank you. |
| 19:22.32 | stew | kspath: if you are talking about sdn, contact Fumitoshi UKAI directly, who is the maintainer |
| 19:22.38 | valdyn | kspath: so any money donated to them will go to 'long term storage' ) |
| 19:22.39 | Brox | what was the command again that tells you the kernel version you have? |
| 19:22.58 | valdyn | Brox: uname -r |
| 19:23.02 | kspath | stew, valdyn : Thank you. |
| 19:23.23 | valdyn | DragonD: exim is fine too, qmail and sendmail just are not |
| 19:23.33 | Brox | valdyn, merci |
| 19:23.44 | DragonD | well logcheck depends on exim??? |
| 19:24.04 | valdyn | DragonD: are you trying to apt-get remove exim? |
| 19:24.05 | kspath | DragonD: logcheck depends on an MTA being existant/installed. |
| 19:24.08 | stew | DragonD: logcheck depends on mail-transport-agent so any mta will do |
| 19:24.13 | DragonD | ahhh on |
| 19:24.15 | DragonD | ok* |
| 19:24.23 | valdyn | DragonD: dont do that, trying to remove an mta does no good |
| 19:24.28 | DragonD | i'm using aptitude |
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| 19:24.42 | valdyn | DragonD: simply install a new mta if you want that |
| 19:24.53 | valdyn | DragonD: exim will in that case be removed automagically |
| 19:24.58 | kspath | DragonD: just apt-get install yournewmtaname instead |
| 19:25.02 | Phobes | !cvs |
| 19:25.03 | Andy_CARP | what can I use from the command line to burn a DVD disc? |
| 19:25.03 | dpkg | cvs is, like, the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 19:25.17 | frosh68 | one more question: when booting, scsi driver (aic7860) takes ages to load. what does it do and how can i speed it up? |
| 19:25.25 | kspath | Andy_CARP: growisofs? |
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| 19:25.40 | valdyn | frosh68: what takes long ? the linux kernel or your scsi bios? |
| 19:25.44 | DragonD | valdyn: i'm using aptitude and selecting a long list to be removed/installed |
| 19:25.59 | kspath | !tell Andy_CARP about growisofs |
| 19:26.03 | Andy_CARP | kspath: do you know if it is on sarge? |
| 19:26.21 | kspath | Andy_CARP: apt-cache search growisofs |
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| 19:26.24 | valdyn | DragonD: whatever you use, dont chose to remove an MTA, chose to install an alternative mta instead |
| 19:26.26 | Brox | does somebody know if the madwifi drivers are on debian by default or if i have to build a new kernel and then restart to patch the madwifi driver on it (as it used to be) |
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| 19:26.34 | Luftzig | ok, it's wierd. I'm looking at the output of getkeycodes, and then at the output of xev. they do not match at all. why the hack? |
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| 19:26.46 | Andy_CARP | kspath: thanks |
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| 19:26.49 | valdyn | Brox: apt-cache search madwifi |
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| 19:27.03 | frosh68 | valdyn: hm, both to be exact. first, when bios starts, it takes some time. but then, when linux kernel comes up, it again takes a long time (even longer) |
| 19:27.12 | davve | hi, is it okey with a programming question here? its somewhat related to debian as it works on gentoo but not on my debian system |
| 19:27.31 | valdyn | frosh68: both scan for devices, which does take a long time |
| 19:27.42 | valdyn | frosh68: you can probably disable that in your scsi bios |
| 19:28.03 | frosh68 | valdyn: oh great! thanx again. |
| 19:28.06 | valdyn | frosh68: for the kernel, you can maybe disable that too, but im not sure if that makes sense if you have scsi devices |
| 19:28.34 | Brox | valdyn, that shows me only hostapd |
| 19:28.50 | valdyn | Brox: on which debian release? |
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| 19:29.16 | valdyn | Brox: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 19:29.24 | valdyn | !info madwifi-source sarge |
| 19:29.45 | DragonD | does hdpram test the write/read speed of a drive or is that something else? |
| 19:29.52 | frosh68 | valdyn: only one device, maybe i can jump the test and tell the exact channel to the driver |
| 19:29.53 | macsim | how can I change the vsftpd default root ? |
| 19:30.05 | valdyn | frosh68: probably, i dont know |
| 19:30.11 | frosh68 | ;-) |
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| 19:30.19 | spanglesontoast | !info php4 |
| 19:30.21 | kspath | DragonD: apt-cache search hdparm Are you looking for hdinfo? |
| 19:30.25 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 19:30.28 | valdyn | frosh68: see Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt and a kernel source tree |
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| 19:30.34 | Brox | valdyn: the freshest debian-testing. etch2 beta i think |
| 19:30.36 | spanglesontoast | anyone know why php doesn't work? |
| 19:30.42 | valdyn | frosh68: s/and/in/ |
| 19:30.42 | stew | spanglesontoast: it does work |
| 19:30.49 | valdyn | !info madwifi-source etch |
| 19:30.51 | spanglesontoast | am I missing something? |
| 19:30.51 | dpkg | madwifi-source: (source for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi), section non-free/net, is optional. Version: 0.svn20060207-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1956 kB, Installed size: 2012 kB |
| 19:30.54 | Luft | damnit, got disconnected. |
| 19:31.00 | frosh68 | valdyn: got it, thanx! |
| 19:31.09 | stew | spanglesontoast: what are you trying to do? are you getting an error? what error? |
| 19:31.14 | valdyn | Brox: /msg dpkg non-free, follow that |
| 19:31.16 | DragonD | kspath: i want to test the read/write speed of my HD |
| 19:31.20 | spanglesontoast | no I just need php4 to work |
| 19:31.33 | stew | spanglesontoast: what have you tried. what exactly isn't working? |
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| 19:31.37 | valdyn | Brox: then come back asking how to compile a modules from madwifi-source |
| 19:31.37 | kspath | DragonD: Did you want something like bonnie? |
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| 19:32.01 | DragonD | bonnie? |
| 19:32.01 | stew | spanglesontoast: are you trying to use it with apache? what version of apache? |
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| 19:32.09 | spanglesontoast | apache2 |
| 19:32.17 | kspath | DragonD: Did you want something like dbench? |
| 19:32.20 | spanglesontoast | with php4 |
| 19:32.30 | valdyn | DragonD: raw io can be tested with ddrescue or dd_rescue |
| 19:32.36 | Luft | Anyway, can anyone tell why xev shows different keycodes then what I get from getkeycodes? |
| 19:32.45 | kspath | DragonD: apt-cache search bonnie; apt-cache search dbench apt-cache search benchmark |
| 19:32.53 | Brox | valdyn, do you mean i could compile a module from the madwifi source and then avoid rebooting? But i would still have to recompile my kernel, right? |
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| 19:33.12 | valdyn | Brox: i mean you should do _exactly_ as i said |
| 19:33.28 | valdyn | Brox: for starters, type /msg dpkg non-free in your irc client |
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| 19:33.49 | DragonD | thanks |
| 19:33.50 | TaF | hello, i finally have debian installed, and at least for now, its stable... i need some help setting things up tho. |
| 19:34.03 | kspath | DragonD: apt-cache search ddrescue |
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| 19:34.10 | valdyn | !tell TaF -about ask |
| 19:34.16 | TaF | i noticed that it loaded the older kernel |
| 19:34.30 | Brox | valdyn, okay i'm installing madwifi-source |
| 19:34.31 | TaF | would it be a good idea to upgrade to the newer one? |
| 19:34.52 | kspath | TaF: Sarge/Stable or Etch/Testing or Sid/Unstable version now? newer one? |
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| 19:35.18 | valdyn | TaF: what is wrong with your current kernel? |
| 19:35.25 | c459s | Guys, is it recommended to do "apt-get remove apache" before doing "apt-get install apache2"? |
| 19:35.33 | valdyn | c459s: no |
| 19:35.35 | spanglesontoast | ? |
| 19:35.38 | TaF | oh iguess nothing, im just asking. with mepis, i had the newer kernel |
| 19:35.41 | c459s | valdyn: why not? |
| 19:35.46 | stew | spanglesontoast: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 19:35.49 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 19:35.57 | valdyn | c459s: because debian will take care of dependencies automagically |
| 19:36.00 | spanglesontoast | the modules |
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| 19:36.05 | spanglesontoast | damn I knew I missed something |
| 19:36.11 | spanglesontoast | it's hard when you move from fedora :) |
| 19:36.17 | eren_ | hi |
| 19:36.18 | c459s | valdyn: well, I just dont want to end up with two webservers running :P |
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| 19:36.24 | LSorensen | c459s: no reason you can run apache2 on port 80 and apache on port 81 if you wanted to |
| 19:36.27 | eren_ | how can i install xorg 6.8.2 ? |
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| 19:36.40 | LSorensen | eren_: not very easily anymore. |
| 19:36.43 | c459s | LSorensen: Thats exactly what I want to avoid, I want only Apache2 ;) |
| 19:36.48 | valdyn | c459s: feel free to override / ignore apt-get, thats your work |
| 19:36.50 | Hagge_ | Does anyone know if gcc 4.x on a linux 2.6 amd64 system will build binaries for amd64 or for i386 when no mcpu or march flags are used? |
| 19:36.52 | LSorensen | c459s: well then you want to uninstall apache |
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| 19:37.07 | LSorensen | Hagge_: depends if you are running amd64 or i386 install |
| 19:37.08 | valdyn | Hagge_: amd64 |
| 19:37.11 | spanglesontoast | still hasn't fixed it |
| 19:37.14 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: amd64 |
| 19:37.16 | c459s | ok thanks |
| 19:37.17 | Hagge_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:37.19 | LSorensen | Hagge_: then that is what it makes |
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| 19:37.24 | spanglesontoast | my server still wants me to download the php files |
| 19:37.25 | Hagge_ | valdyn: that was that I expected but I wasn't sure |
| 19:37.33 | valdyn | Hagge_: uh, i was assuming that your linux is amd64, not your cpu |
| 19:37.41 | LSorensen | spanglesontoast: probably didn't tell apache that .php should be handled by php rather than as plain files |
| 19:37.52 | valdyn | Hagge_: so see what LSorensen said |
| 19:38.15 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 19:38.19 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: thanks a lot, I'm running unixbench among others on my machine using ubuntu dapper and solaris nevada build 37 but solaris was waaay slower using gcc but ok using sun studio, i guess gcc for solaris where 32bit and built a 32 bit benchmark suite for me than, and ubuntu 64 bit. |
| 19:38.19 | spanglesontoast | is that not on by default? |
| 19:38.32 | LSorensen | Hagge_: gcc -v should tell you the architecture. |
| 19:38.33 | Hagge_ | valdyn: both 64 bit linux, gcc and cpu |
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| 19:38.50 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: to late now since i haven't got the linux system installed longer, thanks. |
| 19:38.59 | LSorensen | Hagge_: sun's compiler is probably much better |
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| 19:39.02 | TaF | the problems i have run into imediately are as follows: i attempted to modify xserver-xfree86, everytime i do, i have to reinstall debian because it gets waaaay screwed up and wont even load xfree86.also, when i did a massive upgrade through synaptic, i kept getting the same error message over and over in terminal: "perl warning; couldnt set locale...LC_ALL unset. any input is greatly appreciated |
| 19:39.11 | c459s | Lsorensen: Will only "apt-get remove apache" do the trick, or are there other packages that I need to remove to prepare for apache2 as well? |
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| 19:39.22 | LSorensen | c459s: should be enought I believe |
| 19:39.23 | Phobes | Yay I can't install CVS, stupid dependencies |
| 19:39.30 | Brox | valdyn, did what you said - installed the madwifi stuff from non-free |
| 19:39.35 | c459s | great |
| 19:39.35 | LSorensen | Phobes: yay. CVS sucks anyhow. :) |
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| 19:39.39 | stew | Phobes: /msg dpkg bat |
| 19:39.44 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: Yeah, atleast on sparc. But in amd64 should it really mather for compiler performance what OS i use? |
| 19:39.47 | superlinux | salam Gnea ! |
| 19:39.56 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: maybe the system calls which are used are more optimized for linux than solaris in gcc |
| 19:40.17 | LSorensen | Hagge_: well some OSs have much worse system call overhead |
| 19:40.23 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: anyway fun to see the results, but the whole benchmarks takes like 45 minutes to finish, so it's boring to redo ;) |
| 19:40.24 | Phobes | LSorensen, Well, it's the easiest way to get Cedega ;) |
| 19:40.30 | LSorensen | Hagge_: linux system calls are simply more optimized than solaris |
| 19:40.43 | valdyn | Brox: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi |
| 19:40.44 | LSorensen | Phobes: I would rather use wine |
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| 19:40.56 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: Yeah but I would prefer to get the result that "solaris ain't that bad" atleast ;) |
| 19:40.58 | Nin | hi there guys! |
| 19:41.04 | Phobes | LSorensen, I doubt Lineage II and Ventrilo will run in Wine :P |
| 19:41.08 | superlinux | Hagge_, try the testing version currently made for amd64 |
| 19:41.10 | TaF | i guess i can live with 800*600 screen resolution for now, but i still would like to know if the error message in terminal, during the upgrading, is anything to worry about. |
| 19:41.13 | pipeline | Phobes: I would actually be surprised if they didn't. |
| 19:41.15 | valdyn | Brox: an man module-assistant if you are curious what this is about |
| 19:41.17 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: I do know the scheduler for interface vs disk performance sucks thought, damn the system gets slow as soon as the disk are used |
| 19:41.19 | LSorensen | Hagge_: if you ran intel's compiler on linux you would probably find it even faster than gcc was |
| 19:41.29 | Hagge_ | superlinux: i ran ubuntu dapper vs opensolaris |
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| 19:41.31 | Phobes | pipeline, Really? I've heard horror stories |
| 19:41.34 | LSorensen | Phobes: did you check the app database for wine? |
| 19:41.35 | Hagge_ | superlinux: probably fresh enough both of them |
| 19:41.37 | pipeline | LSorensen, Hagge_ : Uh, linux system calls are more "optimized" than solaris? WTF |
| 19:41.39 | Hagge_ | linux 2.6.15 and so on |
| 19:41.45 | superlinux | ok |
| 19:41.52 | pipeline | LSorensen: Did you get this confused with #idiocy ? |
| 19:42.00 | kspath | LSorensen: assuming an intel processor? |
| 19:42.01 | Hagge_ | superlinux: But I didn't got much help out of #ubuntu for some reason ;) |
| 19:42.01 | Phobes | LSorensen, Not yet |
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| 19:42.06 | LSorensen | pipeline: solaris has quite a bit more overhead on many things. May be more robust too, but still. |
| 19:42.15 | LSorensen | kspath: assuming an x86 cpu |
| 19:42.25 | superlinux | well all I can tell you try the tseting version of debian |
| 19:42.47 | LSorensen | pipeline: I have seen what overhead solaris has on a context switch compared to linux. |
| 19:42.56 | pipeline | LSorensen: ?? |
| 19:43.00 | superlinux | but one thing I did not figure out is weather they use the whole 64bit |
| 19:43.18 | netman1 | shogunx: "reboot -f" did the job. |
| 19:43.19 | kspath | superlinux: whether? |
| 19:43.27 | superlinux | kspath, yea |
| 19:43.29 | shogunx | netman1 cool. |
| 19:43.32 | superlinux | I made a mistake |
| 19:43.39 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: I would expect that solaris have been built/optimized for running under more heavy load / processes at the same time / amount of cpus than linux |
| 19:43.44 | kspath | superlinux: I do the same thing |
| 19:43.54 | LSorensen | Hagge_: well solaris certainly historically has scalled better on SMP than linux |
| 19:43.57 | superlinux | :) |
| 19:44.09 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: So running a single cpu machine are probably the worst case scenario for solaris, even more running x86 instead of sparc |
| 19:44.09 | valdyn | superlinux: what is 'whole 64 bit' supposed to mean? |
| 19:44.25 | superlinux | .. cos they name the iso's as debian-32 |
| 19:44.29 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: Yeah I read a benchmark on compiling with -j1 to -j9 using linux vs solaris |
| 19:44.30 | TaF | ill see if i can come up with something more challenging.... |
| 19:44.34 | superlinux | I meant all the bit range |
| 19:44.37 | LSorensen | Hagge_: for sure. They seem to be finally caring about x86 again, but certainly in the past it was not that high a priority to them |
| 19:44.42 | valdyn | superlinux: that probably refers to debian version 3.2 |
| 19:44.45 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: linux owned solaris on -j1, solaris where better than linux at -j9 (oh, 8 cpu machine) |
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| 19:44.58 | superlinux | not the 32 bit range only |
| 19:45.09 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: so totally solaris improved performance much much more going from 1 to 9 threads at once than linux did |
| 19:45.30 | kspath | superlinux: Else it might mean it is not 64bit |
| 19:45.30 | Brox | valdyn, yeah i can see my ath0 - now just some polishing ;) |
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| 19:45.36 | LSorensen | Hagge_: I don't know how much linux has improved on smp, but it is improving. I hope solaris is also continuing to improve. |
| 19:45.38 | kspath | superlinux: Else it might mean it is not 64bit "clean" yet. |
| 19:45.58 | LSorensen | Hagge_: of course given sun sells some very large machines, one would hope their os could take advantage of that hardware |
| 19:46.01 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: Well, atleast it seems like Sun is going for x86 for real |
| 19:46.05 | valdyn | superlinux: debian amd64 is 64 bit clean in any case |
| 19:46.12 | LSorensen | Hagge_: they seem to like opterons at least |
| 19:46.17 | Hagge_ | LSorensen: So I guess they could improve a bit before they reach Sparc level of optimizatinos |
| 19:46.17 | superlinux | ok |
| 19:46.17 | azeem | Hagge_: are you using NPTL? |
| 19:46.25 | Hagge_ | azeem: what is it? ;/ |
| 19:46.25 | minerale | where may I see a log of the reboots? |
| 19:46.27 | superlinux | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:46.39 | azeem | Hagge_: I don't think you should compare threading benchmarks if you don't know what it is |
| 19:46.44 | LSorensen | Hagge_: would be nice if linux was compiled with a better optimizing compiler in general I suppose. Sun has us beat there. :) |
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| 19:46.53 | azeem | it's the Native POSIX Threading Library |
| 19:47.00 | superlinux | valdyn, that would make the graphics fly like a rocket! |
| 19:47.19 | Hagge_ | azeem: I don't remember what it was, they just ran make with -j1 to -j9, guess it was on osnews or slashdot like 3-4 weeks ago |
| 19:47.29 | azeem | "they" |
| 19:47.32 | TaF | kspath: when i upgrade kde in synaptic, the terminal window displays error message from perl that locale cant be set, no file exists, LC_ALL is unset.... is there a reason for me to be concerned? |
| 19:47.43 | LSorensen | Hagge_: but making a great optimizing compiler is hard boring dull work. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to work on it as a hobby |
| 19:47.49 | Hagge_ | azeem: Well, I don't remember, just saw the numbers. |
| 19:47.51 | azeem | Hagge_: well, then this seems off topic here |
| 19:48.04 | azeem | I thought you had performance issues with the software you're using |
| 19:48.05 | Hagge_ | azeem: One can't discuss whatever? |
| 19:48.10 | Hagge_ | no |
| 19:48.13 | azeem | Hagge_: well, you can |
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| 19:48.28 | azeem | but please take it private after a while, so you don't clutter up this support channel |
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| 19:48.40 | Hagge_ | We started discussing if gcc on amd64 built 64 bit code or not, and then benchmarks (because that was what i compared), and then it came to threads/syscalls |
| 19:48.47 | Hagge_ | azeem: sure |
| 19:48.49 | kspath | I thought we were supposed to focus on debian and everything should try to be debian related. |
| 19:48.50 | nethenson | hi |
| 19:49.18 | azeem | Hagge_: nobody is mad if you get to a tangent discussion, we just expect common sense when to call it enough in here |
| 19:49.28 | azeem | anyway, no issue |
| 19:49.44 | aliquis | I'll query instead.. |
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| 19:51.22 | azeem | aliquis: http://people.redhat.com/drepper/nptl-design.pdf |
| 19:51.59 | kspath | aliquis: You might see references to pthreads sometimes. |
| 19:52.28 | aliquis | azeem: Mostly I ask and do this because I honestly don't know a shit about Solaris but I want to learn, and also it is fun to know how different benchmarks compares between the two oses. (I already know X and the desktop environment I use feels slower than on ubuntu dapper) |
| 19:52.38 | TaF | anyone really proficient in configuring xfree86? it seems it doesnt like me. |
| 19:52.40 | junix|work | is there any way for me to install sarge on a Dell Optiplex GX520 with a Intel SATA controller card...? |
| 19:52.52 | aliquis | kspath: I know on freebsd that whatever the alternative to pthreads are worked much beter |
| 19:52.52 | unstable | junix|work: yes |
| 19:52.55 | aliquis | +t |
| 19:53.02 | unstable | !tell TaF about anyone |
| 19:53.02 | azeem | aliquis: my bet is that nobody in here is qualified to comment on Solaris vs. Linux at any meaningful level |
| 19:53.04 | junix|work | unstable: tell me please |
| 19:53.05 | unstable | !tell TaF about ask |
| 19:53.11 | kspath | aliquis: There is a book called Solaris internals for pre version 10 and a new one for newer internals. look for them. |
| 19:53.21 | aliquis | azeem: And people who are are probably biased anyway |
| 19:53.21 | unstable | !tell junix|work about d-i |
| 19:53.34 | aliquis | kspath: yeah, i've heard about it and the new release |
| 19:53.56 | kspath | aliquis: There is a McCusick for BSD4.4 and FreeBSD also. |
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| 19:54.01 | aliquis | Anyway thanks for your help |
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| 19:54.16 | junix|work | unstable: what kernel is used in the etch/testing CDs? i need soemthing higher than 2.6.8 |
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| 19:54.26 | mlowe | in firefox, what are my choices for FIREFOX_DSP="none" ? |
| 19:54.39 | Eulex | junix659, 2.6.15, I think |
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| 19:54.42 | stew | junix|work: regardless of kernel, do you want to install sarge or etch? |
| 19:54.43 | asg | junix|work: oregonstate.edu has sarge installer discs with newer kernels suitable for most of Dell's equipment |
| 19:54.47 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.50 | brosioz | i only need to do |
| 19:54.56 | TaF | geez, why is asking a question so dificult? i just want to know why my gui doesnt want to load after i reconfigure xfree86 to use a different resolution |
| 19:54.59 | junix|work | stew: etch prolly |
| 19:55.00 | brosioz | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:55.00 | brosioz | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:55.04 | junix|work | asg: really? |
| 19:55.04 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.18 | asg | junix|work: yes, google for oregonstate.edu dell linux (you should get the right page.) |
| 19:55.21 | stew | junix|work: then yeah, they are currently on a 2.6.15 kenrel |
| 19:55.26 | stew | junix|work: or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:55.27 | cahoot | mlowe: aoss is one if you use alsa |
| 19:55.29 | quitte | TaF: /var/log/XFree86.0.log probably can tell you |
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| 19:55.34 | TaF | thank you |
| 19:55.45 | mlowe | cahoot, ty |
| 19:55.48 | asg | junix|work: /msg dpkg dell has the link |
| 19:56.12 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 19:56.12 | dpkg | tetrinet is, like, probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 19:56.20 | quitte | unstable: ok |
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| 19:58.45 | kspath | !away |
| 19:58.46 | TaF | also, what does it mean when perl (during an upgrade in synaptic in the terminal window) warns me that the locale cant be set? it says that LC_ALL is unset and it says that file doesnt exist and falling back to (c). |
| 19:58.46 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 19:58.59 | Inkvisit2r | can anyone help me ? I can't mount my NFS behind my D-Link AP |
| 19:59.07 | Brox | O_o |
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| 19:59.26 | superlinux | kspath, thanks |
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| 19:59.46 | kspath | Brox: Is your right eye swollen or your left eye shrinking? |
| 20:00.02 | asg | kspath: he's trying to be speedbuggy |
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| 20:00.51 | kspath | asg: speedbuggy? |
| 20:01.18 | asg | kspath: cartoon character |
| 20:01.18 | noid | is there anything in debian that can burn an image made with clonecd? |
| 20:01.40 | kspath | asg: hanna barbara? |
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| 20:01.57 | dos000_ | anyone know a way to check if a group/user is aleready added ? instead of doing a grep on /etc/{passw,groups} |
| 20:01.57 | asg | kspath: his driver looked and sounded suspiciously like Shaggy from Scooby Doo. |
| 20:02.02 | asg | kspath: yes |
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| 20:02.29 | asg | dos000_: if you try to add a group that already exists, adduser or addgroup will fail with an error. |
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| 20:02.42 | kspath | asg: I think I saw that cartoon when I was a kid. |
| 20:02.51 | asg | kspath: yeah, it's older |
| 20:02.58 | kspath | asg: I am old. |
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| 20:03.11 | dos000_ | asg, i was thinking of calling the check before doing the add ;-) but its ok |
| 20:03.33 | asg | dos000_: then grep is pretty efficient for such small files |
| 20:04.35 | stew | dos000_: if you want to be more portable, use getent passwd username and check the exit code; or getent group groupname |
| 20:04.54 | asg | dos000_: unless you are going to be calling grep on /etc/passwd thousands of times a second, I wouldn't bother trying to over optimize things. |
| 20:04.54 | stew | dos000_: "getent passwd username" will exit with 0 if found and 2 if not found |
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| 20:05.25 | stew | dos000_: and getent will work if they aren't using /etc/passwd but some other backend like ldap |
| 20:05.32 | dos000_ | stew, you da man |
| 20:05.36 | stew | da |
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| 20:08.37 | ericz | i'm installing debian with the net-install iso, i never though about it, but does it install gnome or kde by default? |
| 20:09.02 | kspath | ericz: neither |
| 20:09.05 | stew | ericz: neither |
| 20:09.11 | ericz | ah.. what is it then? |
| 20:09.20 | asg | ericz: only what you ask it to |
| 20:09.20 | kspath | ericz: shell enjoy |
| 20:09.24 | stew | ericz: when it is finished installing you can install whatever you like |
| 20:09.53 | superlinux | any body here uses squidgaurd? I noticed that it does not ban sites when I setup squid as transparent proxy. I have to set the browser's proxy manually |
| 20:09.59 | ericz | well. i checked this thing, it was like, what do you want installed, there was optionas for desktop environment, web server, mail server, print server, or some other stuff during like the base-config |
| 20:10.03 | ericz | i checked desktop environment |
| 20:10.15 | stew | superlinux: maybe try #squid ? |
| 20:10.30 | superlinux | same reply!! efft |
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| 20:10.44 | asg | superlinux: also, check /usr/share/doc/squidguard/* for post-install docs. |
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| 20:10.53 | stew | ericz: i beileve with sarge, "desktop environment" will be gnome. you can instead use the tasks in aptitude and get a kde desktop or xfce desktop if you prefer |
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| 20:11.04 | ericz | alright.. thanks |
| 20:11.11 | superlinux | asg, the issue everything is setup ok! |
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| 20:11.28 | nethenson | Stew: desktop environment install both gnome and kde |
| 20:11.38 | zinosat | http://pastebin.com/685638 |
| 20:11.48 | zinosat | do I have to worry about it? |
| 20:11.48 | asg | superlinux: the README.Debian file might have caveats regarding that in a transparent environment. |
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| 20:12.10 | superlinux | Ill check thugh I don't think Ill find an answer |
| 20:12.14 | zinosat | uname -a gives me "Linux gurzo 2.6.12-1-386 #1 Tue Sep 27 12:41:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 20:12.28 | Luftzig | Why does debian handle my custom keys so poorly? |
| 20:12.46 | asg | superlinux: you might also install the squid-doc package and see if it indicates any issues with external filtering and transparent proxies. |
| 20:13.03 | kspath | Luftzig: "custome keys" "so poorly" ? |
| 20:13.30 | Luftzig | I knew it will get your attention, kspath |
| 20:13.31 | jelly | While at the topic of proxies, Is there an bittorrent transparent cache? |
| 20:13.41 | Bro1 | i don't get it - i'm trying to build up a WLAN between a debian box and a windows laptop: if i connect to the wlan with my laptop i can't ping the box --- most of the time! (i managed to ping it once). And the connection keeps breaking down and reconnecting - what can i do? |
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| 20:14.17 | Bro1 | i gave the box the ip 192.168.1.1 and the laptop 192.168.1.2 - then i set up an ad-hoc wlan |
| 20:14.20 | stew | nethenson: ahh, ok. which dm does it setup? |
| 20:14.35 | c459s | Does anyone know which package contains the apachectl command for apache2? |
| 20:14.53 | kspath | Luftzig: custom keys is too vague to know what the keys are for/with You did not define/explain what you meant by so poorly. Did you really want people to understand and help? |
| 20:15.23 | nethenson | stew: it sets up both, but installs gdm and gnome is the default choice. But kde is perfectly functional |
| 20:15.24 | stew | c459s: afaik, none. why do you want to use apachectl instead of /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
| 20:16.18 | c459s | stew, because I like the apachectl method better. Its shorter to execute. |
| 20:16.25 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 20:16.29 | Bro1 | can someone pls help |
| 20:16.33 | spanglesontoast | the php4 module still doesn't work |
| 20:16.39 | stew | c459s: alias apachectl=/etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 20:17.11 | Luftzig | kspath, now, let me explain: I have a multimedia keyboard on which some keys have unmapped scancodes. so, I mapped them using setkeycodes, but they're not mapped as I specified. e.g: setkeycodes e011 120 and then getting in xev that the key that produce the scancode e011 produce the keycode 139, not at all as I mapped |
| 20:17.13 | asg | c459s: if you must have it, it's in apache2-common |
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| 20:17.23 | superlinux | asg, nothing mentiones |
| 20:17.24 | superlinux | asg, nothing mentioned |
| 20:17.39 | kspath | Bro1: Try setting both to 100Mbit Full-Duplex and see if it is more consistent. |
| 20:17.40 | nethenson | stew: i installed the Desktop environment task, and then choose kde and I am happy, unlike abrotman, who uses gnome and two-dot ellipsis |
| 20:17.49 | nethenson | :p |
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| 20:17.54 | Bro1 | kspath, how? |
| 20:17.55 | asg | superlinux: then I don't know, we don't use transparent proxies in our environment. |
| 20:17.58 | piggitux|iDle | hi |
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| 20:18.03 | superlinux | aha |
| 20:18.14 | Bro1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.51 | kspath | Luftzig: I do not know. I have not ever had to map keys. Sorry. |
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| 20:18.59 | piggitux|iDle | i have some problems with smp on a compaq w8000 with debina sarge 3.1 |
| 20:19.16 | Luftzig | kspath, well, thanks anyway |
| 20:19.27 | Bro1 | kspath, why not 54 or 108? |
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| 20:19.37 | c459s | stew: I have apache2-common installed. It isnt here. |
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| 20:20.10 | kspath | Bro1: You used the term WLAN which is not really usually associated with ethernet but I assumed when you said you "connected" them you meant their ethernet interfaces. |
| 20:20.13 | asg | c459s: it's in /usr/sbin |
| 20:20.14 | c459s | Stew: The idea of making an alias is a nice one. Unfortunatly not all options in apachectl are available in the script in init.d. (I.e config gest). |
| 20:20.24 | JordiGH | Er, what was the dpkg channel bot command for telling me about where to get the gpg keys for secure apt? |
| 20:20.26 | kspath | Bro1: Wireless? I do not support or touch wireless. |
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| 20:21.23 | stew | c459s: oh wait, apt-file search failed me, looks like apache2-common has it in /usr/sbin/ |
| 20:21.29 | piggitux|iDle | mmh |
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| 20:21.37 | Bro1 | kspath, sorry i meant wireless |
| 20:21.50 | kspath | Bro1: That was my fault for not asking. Sorry. |
| 20:21.55 | c459s | Thanks guys, I found it now :) |
| 20:22.00 | piggitux|iDle | anyone have a compaq w8000 with sage ? |
| 20:22.04 | piggitux|iDle | sarge |
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| 20:22.21 | stew | piggitux|iDle: if you are having a problem, tell us exactly what the problem is |
| 20:22.45 | asg | piggitux|iDle: if you are having SMP problems, did you install an SMP kernel? |
| 20:22.48 | DragonD | anyone here use xgl? |
| 20:22.49 | Quibus | ops, please add something in dpkg or in the topic about the gnome-session X crash, see bug 365079 (or 364838 and 364830). I think more people will experience it in the coming days |
| 20:22.52 | treyh0 | in 'tasksel', is there a reason why some of the packages are installed, say, uw-imap, when you choose mail server, instead of some other imap server? or exim4 instead of something like postfix? |
| 20:23.04 | piggitux|iDle | i take the kernel source over apt-get |
| 20:23.10 | piggitux|iDle | 2.6.8 |
| 20:23.13 | asg | treyh0: are you using aptitude? |
| 20:23.16 | kspath | Quibus: Stable? Testing? Unstable? |
| 20:23.22 | Quibus | kspath: testing |
| 20:23.24 | treyh0 | asg: aptitude, or 'tasksel' binary |
| 20:23.37 | Quibus | kspath: it's Xorg 6.9 in combination with libxklavier10 2.2-3 |
| 20:23.40 | treyh0 | asg: maybe its a political question, just not sure why those specific packages are chosen for the "Default" |
| 20:23.40 | piggitux|iDle | compilee with smp + apic |
| 20:23.41 | asg | treyh0: aptitude installs suggested packages also, that's why. |
| 20:24.01 | treyh0 | like, why is "Exim" the default for debian |
| 20:24.02 | treyh0 | instead of something else |
| 20:24.02 | kspath | Quibus: generally dpkg contains long term things while topic does cover serve "temporary" issues. |
| 20:24.03 | asg | treyh0: historically, it was the best MTA available at the time. |
| 20:24.15 | Quibus | kspath: then the topic would probably be most suitable |
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| 20:24.23 | treyh0 | asg: i guess thats why there's popcon now |
| 20:24.36 | kspath | Quibus: You can create a factoid but try to remember to remove it if it is resolved. |
| 20:24.41 | asg | treyh0: that generally just indicates CD placement but might in the future indicate default prefs. |
| 20:24.46 | Bro1 | could the windows firewall be messing my wlan up? |
| 20:24.51 | treyh0 | ah |
| 20:24.58 | Quibus | kspath: how does it work? |
| 20:25.09 | kspath | Bro1: Are you sure you know what WLAN means? |
| 20:25.30 | kspath | Bro1: Err nevermind. My fault I read WAN. |
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| 20:25.39 | JordiGH | !key |
| 20:25.48 | unstable | What happens if I upgrade from sarge to etch...but I am still using the 2.6.8 kernel(as a lot of people do.) and I don't get a kernel greater then 2.6.12(apt-get install) ... How will my 2.6.8 kernel work with udev...since when I dist-upgrade to testing isn't hotplug purged. So how does udev work properly on 2.6.8 kernel?(it does work) |
| 20:25.51 | JordiGH | !gpg |
| 20:25.51 | dpkg | from memory, gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 20:26.08 | piggitux|iDle | syslog found 2 cpus , but -> WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 1 reached. Processor ignored. |
| 20:26.17 | JordiGH | !secure-apt |
| 20:26.19 | asg | JordiGH: /msg dpkg apt key |
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| 20:26.44 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 20:27.00 | piggitux|iDle | i think is a problem of compaq hw |
| 20:27.01 | asg | JordiGH: hmmm, they removed that |
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| 20:27.20 | asg | JordiGH: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 20:27.51 | Quibus | kspath: anyawy, I'm not a regular here, but if you get questions about a gnome-session causing X to crash, you know where to point to. :-) Oh, also a nice pointer for blujay, who tried to help me before :-) |
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| 20:27.59 | piggitux|iDle | or there a kernel-image in the sagre tree for p3 xeons ? |
| 20:28.19 | asg | piggitux|iDle: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install a suitable one from the list presented.) |
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| 20:28.33 | piggitux|iDle | mm |
| 20:28.36 | kspath | Quibus: bug in testing gnome-session causing Xorg to crash? |
| 20:28.40 | piggitux|iDle | i take a look |
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| 20:28.52 | Quibus | kspath: yep |
| 20:29.04 | kspath | Quibus: impacting XFree86 also? |
| 20:29.10 | Quibus | kspath: no idea |
| 20:29.17 | kspath | I guess everyone in testing is using Xorg likely. |
| 20:29.31 | Quibus | kspath: it probably only happens if you did some keyboard settings in GNOME |
| 20:29.38 | stew | Quibus: i added a note to http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfTesting |
| 20:29.56 | Quibus | stew: thanks! |
| 20:29.56 | kspath | Quibus: stew is fast and efficient! |
| 20:30.04 | Quibus | kspath: he is! :-) |
| 20:30.12 | asg | kspath: stew hasn't been beaten by the man yet ;) |
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| 20:30.18 | stew | heh |
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| 20:30.38 | piggitux|iDle | :D |
| 20:30.42 | Quibus | stew: strictly speaking: it's the upgrade of libxklavier10 that causes it, not the upgrade of xkb-data (which is installed because of the upgrade of libxklavier10) |
| 20:30.53 | piggitux|iDle | asg, thx im testing *g* |
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| 20:31.16 | asg | piggitux|iDle: you probably want a *-686-smp image for a p3-xeon if you have more than one |
| 20:31.22 | stew | Quibus: fixed |
| 20:31.22 | kspath | piggitux|iDle: Please use thanks if you can. thx is something different for some people. |
| 20:31.40 | piggitux|iDle | ok |
| 20:31.53 | piggitux|iDle | thanks ;-) |
| 20:31.56 | Quibus | stew: great :-) OK, I'm outta here again then. see you later! |
| 20:32.01 | kspath | piggitux|iDle: no, thank you! |
| 20:32.09 | piggitux|iDle | ./bow |
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| 20:35.17 | StormTide | anyone seen 'hard disk error' from grub and know what the solution is? im trying to change the boot volume in a box im working on and after grub-install, i change the bios to boot the drive and it just says hard disk error |
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| 20:36.31 | thefly | what's about X on sid? |
| 20:36.33 | winn2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:38.22 | sohmestra | winn2: chip arch...meaning processor? |
| 20:38.43 | winn2 | yes |
| 20:38.46 | sohmestra | winn2: arch |
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| 20:38.50 | winn2 | lol |
| 20:38.56 | provonick | you can cat cpuinfo |
| 20:38.57 | asg | winn2: cat /proc/cpuinfo ; cat /proc/meminfo |
| 20:39.11 | sohmestra | winn2: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:39.18 | provonick | do you have any solution to the problem with X not working in sid? |
| 20:39.19 | sohmestra | err...what asg said |
| 20:39.42 | asg | provonick: works fine here, what problem are you having? |
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| 20:40.28 | provonick | asg: gdm isn't starting my X, so i'm trying to start it by hand but i get no errors or anything. Nothing is written to the logs, strace doesn't say anything interesting |
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| 20:40.50 | asg | provonick: what happens if you just type 'X' at a console? |
| 20:41.00 | kspath | provonick: X logs say anything? |
| 20:41.10 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows how to increase the size of the font in the whole X? I've upgraded the system, and now the fonts of the applications looks very small |
| 20:41.41 | winn2 | thanks |
| 20:41.41 | kspath | baroni: dpi? |
| 20:41.42 | asg | baroni: what debian version are you running? |
| 20:41.46 | provonick | kspath: nothing is written there, i even deleted the file but it doesn't get to recreate it |
| 20:41.54 | baroni | asg: testing/unstable |
| 20:42.00 | provonick | asg: it returns to shell immediately |
| 20:42.04 | provonick | without saying anything |
| 20:42.17 | asg | baroni: then it's probably a -dpi issue as kspath mentioned. |
| 20:42.28 | asg | provonick: does it print anything at all in the console? |
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| 20:42.35 | provonick | asg: nothing |
| 20:42.44 | baroni | asg: sorry, can you give me more details? |
| 20:42.49 | kspath | !tell baroni about dpi |
| 20:42.56 | baroni | thanks kspath |
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| 20:43.26 | Andy_CARP | how can I run telnet daemon out of xinetd? |
| 20:43.35 | asg | Andy_CARP: eww, why would you want to do that? |
| 20:43.54 | Andy_CARP | asg: because I need to stop just that service |
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| 20:44.05 | stew | stopping that service is a good plan :) |
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| 20:44.30 | asg | Andy_CARP: just remove the telnetd package |
| 20:44.34 | kspath | Andy_CARP: You do not want a telnetd in any form unless a honeypot/honeynet. |
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| 20:45.38 | kspath | Andy_CARP: keep the telnet client around for simple testing like telnet mail.theirdomain.tld 25 and things like that... |
| 20:45.43 | pinky | Why does netselect-apt complain about not being able to find a mirror (saying I'm behind a firewall which is blocking traceroute) even if I'm DMZ? |
| 20:46.00 | Andy_CARP | I use telnet to give access to my users, but at certaint |
| 20:46.14 | kspath | Andy_CARP: try openssh sshd |
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| 20:46.16 | Andy_CARP | time I need to avoid their access |
| 20:46.16 | asg | Andy_CARP: time to upgrade to ssh and the 21st century |
| 20:46.43 | kspath | There are some few nations that outlaw ssh ssl and/or any encryption. |
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| 20:46.53 | Andy_CARP | asg: I know, but I moving from UNIX |
| 20:46.59 | kspath | Can you say police state? |
| 20:47.26 | kspath | Andy_CARP: What does telnet have to do with Unix? |
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| 20:47.35 | shogunx | umm, police state. |
| 20:47.47 | shogunx | i did it, i did it! |
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| 20:48.02 | shogunx | hoora! i can say police state! |
| 20:48.16 | kspath | Andy_CARP: telnet is only used for VERY secure and VERY special circumstances and in that case rlogin rsh and stuffs is likely used. |
| 20:48.27 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hey all I want to open a rar file but it is passworded, what program should I apt-get to open it? Thanks |
| 20:48.31 | Andy_CARP | kspath: we was using telnet to access our old server, now we are moved to linux and all the remote clients still are telnet |
| 20:49.04 | kspath | Andy_CARP: update the "clients" to modern era. |
| 20:49.07 | gammelmark | can anyone recommend a good RSS feed reader for Debian? |
| 20:49.10 | nethenson | shogunx: you must record yourself saying "police state" in ogg and sign with your gpg key... otherwise i will only believe that you can write police state |
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| 20:49.42 | nethenson | :p |
| 20:49.49 | shogunx | nethenson, sorry, no microphones here. can i have festival say it for me? |
| 20:50.02 | kspath | Andy_CARP: telnet allows the sniffing of the username/password as does ftp and normal pop3 ... |
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| 20:50.23 | asg | and normal imap and normal basic http authentication and ... |
| 20:50.27 | mobile | !ask |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:50.28 | shogunx | Andy_CARP sniffed with ngrep, for example. |
| 20:50.29 | nethenson | shogunx: I know that festival can say police state... but we are talking about you |
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| 20:51.16 | shogunx | nethenson, you caught me. they cut out my tounge when i said bush rigged the elections. |
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| 20:51.32 | Phobes | Could someone send me their sources.list? |
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| 20:51.39 | asg | shogunx: you should try flite, it's much lighter than festival |
| 20:51.41 | Phobes | Someone in the US :P |
| 20:51.45 | asg | Phobes: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:51.45 | KyrinComa | hey how do i update kde? |
| 20:51.51 | Phobes | asg, kk |
| 20:51.52 | kspath | asg ... normal irc /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password |
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| 20:52.21 | shogunx | asg i only really use festival to tell my 2 year old girl to go to bed. she will not listen to her mother or I, but when the computer says so, she goes to bed. |
| 20:52.55 | KyrinComa | anyone can tell me? |
| 20:53.04 | asg | shogunx: I don't know how to respond to that :) |
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| 20:53.16 | asg | KyrinComa: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:53.28 | mobile | i have a problem with my cardbus network card. i use debian stable (sarge). i get the follow error message if i want to transfer some large files over the network. |
| 20:53.29 | KyrinComa | the latest one |
| 20:53.30 | mobile | error message appears on screen: PCI bus error, bus status 8000020. Host error, FIFO diagnostig register 000. Too much work in interrupt status e003. |
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| 20:53.31 | mobile | i have the newest kernel and use the network driver from vortex (becker) |
| 20:53.33 | KyrinComa | iono the version |
| 20:53.36 | shogunx | asg :) |
| 20:53.38 | asg | KyrinComa: latest one what? |
| 20:53.48 | asg | KyrinComa: it comes in 3 flavors of 'latest one' |
| 20:53.48 | KyrinComa | of debian |
| 20:53.53 | mobile | plz plz help me :) |
| 20:53.55 | KyrinComa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.02 | asg | KyrinComa: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
| 20:54.24 | kspath | mobile: please please use please |
| 20:54.34 | dos000_ | how many groups can own a dir ? only one ? |
| 20:54.43 | asg | dos000_: yes |
| 20:54.43 | mobile | okay please help |
| 20:54.53 | Phobes | asg, I believe I've broken my apt-get, messed with sources.list too much, what's the easiest way to fix it? |
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| 20:54.58 | KyrinComa | asg, its 3.1 |
| 20:55.05 | asg | Phobes: apt-setup if you use sarge |
| 20:55.08 | Phobes | kk |
| 20:55.09 | dos000_ | cvs sucks ! |
| 20:55.10 | KyrinComa | this is my first time with debian |
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| 20:55.20 | asg | KyrinComa: then KDE will never become a newer version in stable. Stable only gets security updates. |
| 20:55.24 | Phobes | asg, Apparently I don't use sarge :P |
| 20:55.32 | asg | KyrinComa: try asking #debian-kde if there are backports. |
| 20:55.33 | KyrinComa | so i can get 3.5.2? |
| 20:55.37 | KyrinComa | can't* |
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| 20:55.43 | kspath | mobile: appears on which machine? The one pushing the large file via protocol/method? The one receiving the large file via protocol/method? |
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| 20:55.52 | nethenson | Phobes: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old ; apt-setup |
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| 20:55.56 | dos000_ | anyone know if there is a way to make dir read/writable from multiple groups in cvs ? |
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| 20:56.13 | mobile | oh sry i transfer the files via smb. i think its a hardware problem |
| 20:56.16 | dos000_ | a better acl basically in cvs |
| 20:56.16 | kspath | mobile: Testing? Unstable? |
| 20:56.24 | Phobes | nethenson, apt-setup is not on my system |
| 20:56.26 | mobile | i use debian stable sarge |
| 20:56.28 | kspath | mobile: PCMCIA card? |
| 20:56.29 | asg | dos000_: make a new group, add the users who need access to the new group. |
| 20:56.40 | mobile | yes pcmcia (cardbus) card |
| 20:56.41 | asg | dos000_: make that group the owner of the directory |
| 20:57.07 | kspath | mobile: possible hardware problem on a laptop using a PCMCIA network card when transfering a large file using SAMBA? |
| 20:57.14 | Brox | my ath0 has a link quality of 17/94 (which is terrible) - how can i raise it? |
| 20:57.20 | kspath | mobile: possible hardware problem on a sarge laptop using a PCMCIA network card when transfering a large file using SAMBA? |
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| 20:57.28 | asg | Brox: move closer to the AP? |
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| 20:57.56 | Brox | asg, this is the link quality of the AP |
| 20:57.59 | jplibre | Is there an equivalent to 'mcelog' for 32-bit cpus? I only see the package available for 64-bit |
| 20:57.59 | mobile | 3com 3ccfe575ct |
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| 20:58.16 | jplibre | And if not, how can you log machine check exceptions, or at least view info about them |
| 20:58.17 | dos000_ | asg: but in general i was not able to find the nice access control i saw in svn. am i missing something or there is no fine grained (open source) access control in cvs ? |
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| 20:58.23 | kspath | mobile: Any options in BIOS regarding interrupts and/or PCMCIA? |
| 20:58.29 | mobile | kspath: yes but i think its not a problem with samba |
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| 20:58.45 | asg | dos000_: why not convert your CVS repo to SVN then? |
| 20:58.50 | dos000_ | asg, i have to write scripts to now to jugle users and groups |
| 20:58.58 | kspath | mobile: I was just trying to include all information that might be asked by someone trying to assist you. |
| 20:59.06 | mobile | mmhhh the f*** bios has no settings to change the irq |
| 20:59.18 | asg | dos000_: you could also ask #cvs |
| 20:59.42 | dos000_ | asg, i did that. until i could not find a decent graphical svn client *cough* on linux. no tools are integrating svn nicely yet |
| 20:59.44 | pinky | I have 3.1r1 sarge, and I'd like to upgrade all the packages that can to 3.1r2... should I comment out the CDROM from my sources.list? |
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| 21:00.33 | mobile | on the notebook is the newest avaible bios it is a panasonic toughbook cf-71 |
| 21:00.40 | kspath | mobile: Try including all that information in a detailed email to the appropriate debian mailing list as well as searching debian mailing list archives. You can still ask here of course. Worst case is someone might see your message in archive and have same issue or know how to fix. |
| 21:00.41 | quitte | pinky: no need to. apt uses whatever source has the newest packages |
| 21:00.43 | dos000_ | asg, the svn windows client is awsome thow. which is the only thing forcing me to have widows :-( |
| 21:01.15 | nethenson | pinky: no, to get the 3.1r2 you just need lines for ftp://ftp.debian.. stable and ftp://security.debian.... , the cdrom line does no harm |
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| 21:02.01 | kspath | mobile: /lastlog mobile and/or /lastlog kspath to see what we both said about it and write it up for yourself. Worst case it will make it easier for you to pastebin. |
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| 21:02.08 | kspath | !tell mobile about paste |
| 21:02.34 | mobile | i ve spent more hours to find some information or a solution but i find (google) nothing |
| 21:02.43 | kspath | mobile: I am too ignorant to assist further with that problem. Sorry. |
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| 21:03.30 | ttl_ | goodevening |
| 21:03.41 | ttl_ | can somebody help me out setting up hostapd |
| 21:03.41 | dieselboy | hey there, can someone tell me how can i search for a specific package name using apt ? |
| 21:03.42 | mobile | okay thanks a lot kspath |
| 21:03.50 | kspath | mobile: There is the debian mailing lists though. There is also the debian mailing list archives. They might not have want you want but some people reading/follow the mailing lists that do not come on IRC. or they follow both and might be sleeping now. |
| 21:04.00 | mobile | apt-cache search packed_name |
| 21:04.02 | streuner | dieselboy: /msg dpkg serach |
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| 21:04.13 | ttl_ | how do i generate a key ? |
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| 21:05.01 | redondos | I'm using debian testing, all of a sudden the server stopped booting because it could not find /dev/hda1.The partition exists, it is my / partition. Everything is fine, no errors, nonothing. But when the kernel finishes loading, it complains about not being able to find the partition. I checked the kernel configuration and ext3 support is compiled as a module. Could that be the problem? |
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| 21:05.11 | redondos | Of course, the partition has an ext3 filesystem. |
| 21:05.24 | smacnay | Is the bttv stuff in kernel 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 not working properly? Capturing sound seems not to work. |
| 21:05.49 | streuner | smacnay: what does BTS say about? |
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| 21:06.32 | nethenson | redondos: are you using an official kernel or one compiled by you? |
| 21:06.51 | redondos | Official kernel, that's why I'm lost. :/ |
| 21:07.03 | redondos | 2.6.15-1 |
| 21:07.11 | nethenson | and you are using the initrd thing... |
| 21:07.21 | redondos | Yeap. |
| 21:07.24 | redondos | Is that bad? |
| 21:07.27 | redondos | heh |
| 21:07.35 | nethenson | no, no |
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| 21:07.49 | nethenson | it should work... |
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| 21:08.34 | nethenson | did you modified grub.conf? |
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| 21:08.46 | kspath | modify |
| 21:08.51 | redondos | not really, but that looks ok. |
| 21:08.51 | stew | nethenson: what is grub.conf? a redhatism? |
| 21:09.02 | abrotman | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:09.05 | abrotman | stew: it is |
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| 21:09.08 | redondos | looks fine, abrotman |
| 21:09.20 | nathe | is there any way to tell apt to NOT install a dependency ? |
| 21:09.21 | SonnyBurnett | hello, how do I know what modules do I have installed? i want to know if I have lm-sensors intalled as a module |
| 21:09.24 | redondos | stew: actually ,menu.lst is softlinked to grub.conf by default on testing. |
| 21:09.25 | nethenson | stew: a gentooism |
| 21:09.30 | redondos | so... help? |
| 21:09.42 | streuner | nathe: no |
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| 21:10.06 | nathe | i'm looking to apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 but it wants to install php-4, I've got php5 installed from source, and don't need 4 causing me problems |
| 21:10.12 | streuner | nathe: maybe you explain the whole problem... |
| 21:10.16 | stew | redondos: not on any of my boxes |
| 21:10.23 | nathe | streuner: sorry trying to type it out ;P |
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| 21:10.52 | stew | well i can't say *any* but i checked 4 |
| 21:10.58 | redondos | stew: Well, perhaps it's implemented since etch, I don't know. |
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| 21:11.10 | redondos | I don't really care about that stupid softlink anyway :) |
| 21:11.11 | streuner | nathe: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 21:11.17 | redondos | I just want this server to boot. |
| 21:11.22 | stew | redondos: not on a sid box which was up to date yesterday |
| 21:11.36 | nathe | streuner: yeah i'm using a couple unofficials ;P |
| 21:11.36 | stew | er, wow its thursday already, isn't it |
| 21:11.54 | streuner | nathe: well :-) |
| 21:12.20 | stew | redondos: are you using lvm? which initrd tool was used to create the initrd? |
| 21:12.32 | kspath | stew: Friday already in some places. |
| 21:12.34 | nathe | streuner: http://pastebin.ca/51843 |
| 21:12.35 | nethenson | stew: it depends on your timezone |
| 21:12.45 | stew | my point was that it wasn't wednesday |
| 21:12.50 | stew | this week is going by too quickly |
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| 21:13.01 | redondos | stew: I'm not using LVM, and no tool was used to create the initrd, it was put there by the debian-installer, I guess. |
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| 21:13.58 | streuner | nathe: comment line 2-4 |
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| 21:14.08 | streuner | nathe: and run apt-get update again |
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| 21:14.23 | stew | redondos: wait, is this a fresh install? |
| 21:14.26 | streuner | nathe: for security in etch/testing /msg dpkg etch security |
| 21:14.38 | willwork4foo | hiya.... am at the end of my tether here. Have a system here with a bog standard RTL8139C network card in it (in fact, I've actually got a pair of them - tried each one in every PCI slot and I get the same problem) - I am trying to install Debian 3.1r2 using the netinstall CD, and all seems to go OK (except the DHCP discovery bit doesn't work so I have to manually configure)... |
| 21:14.46 | nathe | strunner: come again with that last line? |
| 21:15.00 | stew | !tell nathe about etch security |
| 21:15.07 | willwork4foo | and when I get to the stage where I boot the system, it gets as far as "starting MTA" and it starts complaining about Transmit Timed Out on eth0 |
| 21:15.22 | sobersabre | hi. is there a url to check if a package named foo exists in sarge ? |
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| 21:15.27 | redondos | stew: Yes. |
| 21:15.32 | sobersabre | (I am not connected to sarge now ) |
| 21:15.34 | nathe | stew: danke |
| 21:15.34 | streuner | sobersabre: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 21:15.39 | willwork4foo | Does Debian not work well with RTL8139C cards? |
| 21:15.46 | redondos | stew: Fresh, but upgraded. |
| 21:15.53 | redondos | stew: (with apt-get upgrade, that is) |
| 21:15.54 | sepski | willwork4foo, works ok for me |
| 21:15.58 | ZEA_ | willwork4foo I have one, no problem. |
| 21:16.07 | kspath | willwork4foo: Wireless? |
| 21:16.09 | stew | redondos: so it has never booted properly? was it an etch installer or an unofficial sarge installer? |
| 21:16.11 | willwork4foo | because I've tested the exact same card on a Gentoo LiveCD, an Ubuntu Live CD, and a Knoppix Live CD... and guess what? |
| 21:16.16 | willwork4foo | it works in all of those systems. |
| 21:16.19 | redondos | stew: It booted perfectly earlier. |
| 21:16.22 | willwork4foo | but not on the Debian netinstall. |
| 21:16.24 | redondos | stew: etch installer |
| 21:16.28 | stew | redondos: and then what changed? |
| 21:16.31 | willwork4foo | this is MAJORLY P**SING ME OFF. |
| 21:16.37 | redondos | stew: I did an apt-get upgrade. That changed, I guess. |
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| 21:16.42 | willwork4foo | does anyone have any suggestions at all? |
| 21:16.45 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 21:16.45 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 21:16.52 | willwork4foo | (have been at this for over 2 hours now.) |
| 21:16.52 | valdyn | willwork4foo: try that newer kernel installer |
| 21:16.53 | sepski | willwork4foo, remove 1 card while installing, keep ony one in the system |
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| 21:17.00 | willwork4foo | valdyn: newer kernel installer? |
| 21:17.02 | streuner | willwork4foo: use a different d-i then, valdyn told you |
| 21:17.02 | willwork4foo | wtf? |
| 21:17.05 | redondos | stew: Should ext3 support be compiled in? |
| 21:17.07 | asg | ~[6~[6~ |
| 21:17.12 | sobersabre | OK, I am ... confused. somebody has told me she has succeeded to fool apt-get. |
| 21:17.12 | stew | redondos: no, it should be in the initrd |
| 21:17.14 | valdyn | willwork4foo: and installer with a newer kernel than sarge's 2.6.8 |
| 21:17.17 | tuv | aftere upgrading libpango, the default Arabic font in thunderbird changed.. how can i revert it? |
| 21:17.21 | redondos | stew: I see. How can I make sure it's there? |
| 21:17.24 | stew | redondos: was a kernel upgrade part of the upgrade? |
| 21:17.30 | redondos | stew: let me check |
| 21:17.33 | willwork4foo | valdyn: where can I get that? |
| 21:17.33 | sobersabre | and attempted to install a non existing version of a package: kernel-image-2.6.16.5 |
| 21:17.35 | stew | redondos: that depends on which initrd was used |
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| 21:17.42 | valdyn | willwork4foo: read what dpkg said |
| 21:17.44 | stew | err initrd creation tool |
| 21:17.48 | sobersabre | for satble, which resulted in a corruption. |
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| 21:17.53 | nathe | streuner: it's still wanting to install php4 |
| 21:17.54 | streuner | willwork4foo: you wanna install etch/testing? use beta-installer or default (different kernels...) |
| 21:17.57 | sobersabre | how shall I tell her to fix this ? |
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| 21:18.27 | streuner | nathe: as long as you have wrong packages installed, it might be fooling you... |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | stable doesn't have that kernel |
| 21:18.32 | sepski | sobersabre, apt is just a tool. you can cut of your fingers with a wire cutter too there is no safety net from yourself |
| 21:18.34 | willwork4foo | I'd rather not use a testing version of debian. I have never used Debian before, and my faith in it is yet to be earned. |
| 21:18.40 | nathe | streuner: meening what? |
| 21:18.51 | willwork4foo | I would prefer to use a stable system. I gotta be honest - my first experience of Debian thus far is not promising. |
| 21:18.51 | sobersabre | sepski I don't need to be educated. :) |
| 21:18.55 | streuner | nathe: remove the packages first? |
| 21:18.56 | sobersabre | I am trying to help. |
| 21:19.02 | nathe | streuner: I commented the lines you were talking about, re-up'ed the lists, and same |
| 21:19.04 | valdyn | willwork4foo: what dpkg told _is_ sarge |
| 21:19.05 | sobersabre | somebody, who's not knowledgeable at all. |
| 21:19.15 | nathe | streuner: which packages? php5? |
| 21:19.17 | redondos | stew: I can't ind it in dpkg.log, though I do find that it installed a 2.6.13 kernel. Current one is 2.6.15. |
| 21:19.20 | streuner | nathe: yes, but the depends stay longer... |
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| 21:19.35 | streuner | nathe: apt-get remove mysql* |
| 21:19.42 | sobersabre | sepski so which dpkg --<?> shall she run to clean no completely installed and non existing kernel package ? |
| 21:19.45 | lukaszg | i'm going to install 64bit debian. Where can I find documentation - or maybe someone know if i can run 32 bit program's (i.e. mplayer firefox) without installing 32 bit environment in chroot? in gentoo (and also suse) in some magic way i can run 32 bit firefox and skype :) |
| 21:19.45 | nathe | streuner: i didn't install through apt in the first place |
| 21:20.01 | nathe | streuner: both mysql and php5 were compiled when I installed, |
| 21:20.01 | streuner | that becomes better and better :-) |
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| 21:20.12 | nathe | hehe |
| 21:20.18 | tuv | how can i control the default font for non-english languages? |
| 21:20.20 | sobersabre | lukaszg is this ia64 ( aka itanium) or amd/emt64 ? |
| 21:20.26 | nathe | I'll just go redown mysql and compile again |
| 21:20.27 | streuner | well, dpkg has nothing to do with /usr/local/ |
| 21:20.33 | lukaszg | sobersabre: amd64 |
| 21:20.41 | willwork4foo | valdyn: I am seeing the words "unstable", and "no support, no warranty" on that page... |
| 21:20.51 | willwork4foo | Those are most definitely NOT reassuring words. |
| 21:20.56 | valdyn | willwork4foo: or you could just hit F1 at the first bootprompt and read, and pick the 2.6 kernel |
| 21:20.58 | nathe | streuner: i'm just trying to keep it from installing php4 when I apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 |
| 21:21.09 | willwork4foo | valdyn: OK |
| 21:21.14 | willwork4foo | valdyn: I think I'll try that |
| 21:21.18 | stew | redondos: which of initramfs-tools or yaird is installed? |
| 21:21.19 | valdyn | willwork4foo: if your probably has so far only been with sarge's default 2.4.27 |
| 21:21.22 | lukaszg | sobersabre: i want to have 64 bit debian and a few 32 bit applications |
| 21:21.28 | valdyn | willwork4foo: if your Problem has so far only been with sarge's default 2.4.27 |
| 21:21.33 | redondos | nStensen: none. |
| 21:21.39 | sobersabre | lukaszg as long as you're installing lib32, everything shall work. in the worst case ( i.e. you need 32 bit apps more than 64bit ) you can install 32bit debian. |
| 21:21.57 | sobersabre | there's some app for launching 32bit apps. |
| 21:21.57 | nStensen | redondos: ? |
| 21:22.05 | valdyn | sobersabre: ummm, it isnt that easy |
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| 21:22.29 | sobersabre | valdyn what exactly ? |
| 21:22.40 | willwork4foo | valdyn: it has. |
| 21:22.43 | valdyn | sobersabre: installing 32 bit applications on a 64 bit debian |
| 21:22.46 | redondos | stew: Sorry, initramfs-tools version 0.59b |
| 21:22.53 | streuner | nathe: show us the command (mysql 4) in paster bot |
| 21:22.57 | redondos | Yaird is not installed. |
| 21:23.06 | lukaszg | now (suse) i have /lib and /lib64. under gentoo there was /lib32 and /lib64 and symlink /lib -> /lib64 |
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| 21:23.07 | streuner | nathe: (the whole output) |
| 21:23.13 | sobersabre | valdyn, 'as long as you have 32 bit libs' ... isn;t this enough ? |
| 21:23.18 | stew | redondos: i'd try installing yaird, removing initramfs-tools and resistalling the linux-image and try booting again |
| 21:23.20 | willwork4foo | I have to admit I am fairly stunned though - that Debian's 3.1r2 install CD fails to work with one of the world's most widely used network controller chips |
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| 21:24.01 | sobersabre | willwork4foo can you name this 'most widely used NIC' ? |
| 21:24.03 | streuner | Why do people install everything and from everywhere, no matter what that cause to dpkg? |
| 21:24.10 | willwork4foo | sobersabre: RTL-8139 |
| 21:24.14 | Solet_mod | whats the quicktime plugin for mozilla called? |
| 21:24.20 | streuner | uhm |
| 21:24.23 | valdyn | sobersabre: im saying that its not easy, library dependencies can be huge and i wouldnt want to handle those without any package management, which i would have to do if i went that way |
| 21:24.25 | nathe | http://pastebin.ca/51845 |
| 21:24.30 | willwork4foo | more specifically, RTL-8139C |
| 21:24.41 | sobersabre | willwork4foo, forget the fact it is a shitty NIC, it is working. I have it on my machine ( onboard ) |
| 21:24.54 | redondos | stew: Ok, thanks. I'll see what happens. |
| 21:24.59 | stew | willwork4foo: what exactly is happening? |
| 21:25.03 | willwork4foo | works perfectly without any messing around in Knoppix, Gentoo, Ubuntu, and Slackware. |
| 21:25.07 | valdyn | willwork4foo: that is the chip, the pci id might be 'confusing' for your kernel |
| 21:25.13 | stew | willwork4foo: is it not being detected at all or being detected and not working? |
| 21:25.17 | redondos | stew: BTW, udev has been kept back. You think it'll be safe to upgrade it? |
| 21:25.19 | valdyn | willwork4foo: and all those distros you list use 2.6.x by default |
| 21:25.24 | willwork4foo | it's being detected by Debian, and then not working |
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| 21:25.40 | sobersabre | willwork4foo and what does syslog/kern.log say about this ? |
| 21:25.41 | stew | redondos: oh, if udev isn't up to date that could explain your problems, initramfs-tools requires udev to sucessfully boot |
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| 21:25.43 | valdyn | willwork4foo: so a 2.4 kernel bug, so what, not the only one either |
| 21:25.45 | willwork4foo | I am getting "Transmit Timed Out" errors when trying to get anything working |
| 21:25.48 | redondos | stew: hehe |
| 21:25.50 | redondos | stew: Thanks. |
| 21:25.54 | streuner | nathe: that looks ok to me. |
| 21:25.57 | willwork4foo | sobersabre: I haven't got far enough to see there. I am trying to do a netinstall |
| 21:25.58 | kspath | willwork4foo: linux26? 2.6 kernel choice on install? |
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| 21:26.17 | pinky | or expert26 =] |
| 21:26.20 | stew | redondos: so you might instead try "apt-get install udev" to get it up to date |
| 21:26.20 | nathe | streuner: I think I did actuall apt-get install mysql the first time |
| 21:26.24 | willwork4foo | kspath: just about to try that as soon as I have cleared the mess that my previous attempt made |
| 21:26.35 | kspath | pinky: yes, but I doubt willwork4foo is expert. |
| 21:26.35 | sobersabre | willwork4foo are you sure you have a good cable that hasn't been bitten by a siamese bat ? |
| 21:26.41 | stew | willwork4foo: are you using the 2.4 kernel or the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:26.56 | redondos | stew: rebooting now |
| 21:26.59 | Brox | sweetness |
| 21:27.04 | kspath | stew: apparently 2.4 and going to try 2.6 soonish on new install attempt |
| 21:27.23 | pinky | kspath: Ah, well actually I don't even know the difference between the two because I've only ever used expert26 |
| 21:27.25 | mne | hi ! does anyone know a password safe program that does not need X11 ? I want some CLI tool that I can access through ssh. |
| 21:27.31 | willwork4foo | stew: I am about to try getting the 2.6 kernel working. |
| 21:27.37 | tuxedup | if i use cups for printing, do I still need the lpr service running or can i disable this? |
| 21:27.46 | valdyn | lukaszg: the sane options ( just in my opinion ) to mix 32 bit and 64 applications is to install the 32 bit stuff in a chroot with debootstrap |
| 21:27.48 | nathe | sobersabre: yes, fine except for the fact that It wants to install php4... i don't want it to |
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| 21:28.11 | kspath | pinky: I do not remember if I tried expert or not. I only install the BSDs and Debian and CentOS and others rarely. |
| 21:28.21 | Brox | everyone who is going to try wlan: good luck, its definitly not worth it but huge fun ;) |
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| 21:29.10 | sobersabre | nathe do you also love completion ? |
| 21:29.10 | sobersabre | :) |
| 21:29.11 | valdyn | Brox: why not worth it? |
| 21:29.12 | sobersabre | Brox :) |
| 21:29.12 | pinky | kspath: Yes, but aren't we talking about Debian? Or are you saying you only normally install the BSDs? |
| 21:29.12 | nathe | sobersabre: I don't mind it, but mysql is a pita to compile .. though I might have the required libs already |
| 21:29.26 | nathe | sobersabre: I'm just annoyed that it HAS to install php for mysql.. why?! |
| 21:29.48 | nathe | sobersabre: can I edit the dep file or something? |
| 21:29.54 | sobersabre | nathe I think it installs it if you install phpmyadmin. |
| 21:30.02 | valdyn | mne: why not ssh -X ? |
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| 21:30.32 | kspath | pinky: I install numerous and somewhat rarely. It all runs together in my mind unless I am in front of it and I usually just know what to do. I however can not usually remember step by step on each one without misremembering/mixing them up without something in front of me to reference. |
| 21:30.37 | nathe | sober: aahhh.. so uninstall phpmyadmin eh ;P |
| 21:30.37 | mne | valdyn, the server does not have X ;) and I don't want to install it just for a passowrd safe ;) |
| 21:30.46 | clars | Why can I connect my server by SSH (by console) but not by SSH (by Gftp) ? |
| 21:30.53 | mne | valdyn, A friend just told me that I should have a look at gpg-agent |
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| 21:31.06 | pinky | kspath: Ah, okay, I see what you're saying. |
| 21:31.18 | nathe | no, actually, it's not installed via apt anyway |
| 21:31.18 | nathe | heh |
| 21:31.20 | petemc | clars: what do the logs say? |
| 21:31.28 | kspath | clars: What does ssh have to do with ftp? |
| 21:31.44 | valdyn | mne: apt-cache search password safe |
| 21:31.44 | petemc | kspath: i think gftp does ssh or sftp or something |
| 21:31.46 | kspath | clars: Tunneling? |
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| 21:32.14 | clars | kspath, I use gftp [SSH2] to my main server |
| 21:32.17 | mne | valdyn, all these password safe programs require X11, even pwsafe. (it allows adding passwords, but displaying them needs X11) |
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| 21:32.40 | clars | petemc, where is the log fil on that? |
| 21:32.41 | valdyn | mne: why? it does not depend on X |
| 21:32.45 | kspath | clars: Sorry, I am ignorant. I will look it up and educate myself. |
| 21:32.46 | streuner | nathe: # The following packages will be upgraded: # libdbd-mysql-perl libperl5.8 mysql-server perl perl-base perl-modules php4-cli php4-common # php4-mysql |
| 21:32.52 | redondos | stew: That did the trick. Thanks for your time. |
| 21:32.56 | petemc | clars: /var/log/auth.log , might be something in syslog as well |
| 21:33.02 | streuner | nathe: looks like you have php4 already installed... |
| 21:33.03 | redondos | Really appreciate it, stew . |
| 21:33.04 | valdyn | mne: Pure command-line operation if desired (good for remote access over ssh) |
| 21:33.21 | valdyn | mne: that's a quote from the package description |
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| 21:33.41 | stew | redondos: you're welcome. it was just udev? |
| 21:33.44 | mne | valdyn, I just saw it. Maybe I did something wrong with it .. I'm re-trying it ;) thanks |
| 21:33.45 | nathe | streuner: nope |
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| 21:34.07 | sobersabre | guys, so... what shall a silly one do if he/she tried to install a non existent package to remove the errors ? |
| 21:34.10 | streuner | nathe: ok, run the command mysql-client-5.0 and try to remove php4 after |
| 21:34.10 | kspath | wow gftp has changed over the years. supports almost everything. |
| 21:34.21 | redondos | stew: Just udev, yup. :) |
| 21:34.39 | nathe | streuner: won't that uninstall mysql as well? |
| 21:34.52 | stew | redondos: do you know what version of udev you had that didnt' work with which version of intramfs-tools? |
| 21:34.58 | nathe | not to mention fooling with my apatche conf? |
| 21:35.18 | streuner | nathe: it would ask you before touching apache.conf |
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| 21:35.38 | stew | redondos: actually nm, it looks like an appropriate bug has already been filed |
| 21:36.03 | kspath | clars: gftp has a log of it's own. Did you check that also? |
| 21:37.02 | clars | kspath, no but I wil |
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| 21:37.55 | redondos | stew: Great because I'd have to check on that and I'm dealing with a samba problem now. |
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| 21:38.09 | sobersabre | do you think dselect will help to remove a not-fully installed package ? |
| 21:38.23 | abrotman | sobersabre: apt-get -f install ? |
| 21:38.36 | abrotman | dpkg -P ? |
| 21:38.38 | redondos | stew: BTW, do you happen to know what I can do make a directory publicly writable? guest = ok and writable = yes on a security = share samba gives read but not write permissions to a user. |
| 21:38.41 | abrotman | dpkg: thank you |
| 21:38.41 | dpkg | de nada, abrotman |
| 21:38.56 | abrotman | redondos: the samba manual covers this |
| 21:38.57 | stew | redondos: dunno |
| 21:39.08 | redondos | abrotman: Yeah, I've read it. |
| 21:39.10 | kspath | abrotman: About time dpkg took action on you. I hide too much for dpkg to find me. |
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| 21:39.22 | redondos | abrotman: But I'm having problems with it unfortunately. :/ |
| 21:39.23 | abrotman | kspath: in the Capone room? |
| 21:39.27 | ttl_ | can somebody help me with hostapd and hostap-utils ? |
| 21:39.31 | abrotman | redondos: and you also asked #samba ? |
| 21:39.41 | redondos | I'm about to, abrotman . Thank you. |
| 21:40.46 | abrotman | redondos: also ... check your perms on the share directory |
| 21:40.54 | abrotman | the root of the share directory |
| 21:41.06 | abrotman | setting the umask might help too |
| 21:41.09 | redondos | user should have access to the root of the share, too? |
| 21:41.23 | spanglesontoast | damn |
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| 21:41.24 | spanglesontoast | does anyone know how to convert a mysql database to 4.1 or 4.0 |
| 21:41.25 | clars | kspath, 1: Open Directory |
| 21:41.25 | clars | Error: Could not write to socket |
| 21:41.46 | kspath | clars: ssh log the authentication? |
| 21:41.51 | sobersabre | spanglesontoast from which version ? |
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| 21:41.55 | redondos | abrotman: Where would I set the umask? |
| 21:42.00 | spanglesontoast | I'm not sure I think 3 something |
| 21:42.04 | redondos | abrotman: oh, it's create_mask in samba, heh :) |
| 21:42.05 | spanglesontoast | not even sure how to check |
| 21:42.13 | kspath | clars: does it list the remote directory? |
| 21:42.25 | sobersabre | well, be sure, and use mysql manual for this, they have upgrading database section. |
| 21:42.33 | sobersabre | I think it is togoether with backup. |
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| 21:43.02 | clars | kspath, no there is no list of the remote directory |
| 21:43.29 | kspath | clars: It is likely failing somewhere before the ftp client can do/see anything. |
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| 21:44.01 | spanglesontoast | ok ty |
| 21:44.19 | clars | kspath, I emti the known_host fil [root+user] |
| 21:44.24 | kspath | clars: It is either trying something else besides ssh or failing at ssh for whatever reason. You are requiring version 2 on server? You are using version 2 on client side? |
| 21:45.07 | kspath | clars: you are trying to auth without password? only user@host? |
| 21:45.07 | clars | kspath, i better check out - what ssh version there is running on the server |
| 21:45.29 | clars | kspath, no I use the password also |
| 21:45.35 | kspath | clars: sshd_config likely |
| 21:46.12 | kspath | clars: Does gftp ever ask/use the username/password? |
| 21:46.37 | abrotman | redondos: that help? |
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| 21:47.17 | kspath | clars: I am here to support debian itself as much as possible troubleshooting use of applications/servers is beyond what I am here for. I am just trying to push/nudge you to the right resources, questions, and answers. |
| 21:47.45 | redondos | abrotman: No but you gave me a hint: not to use security = share, rather, use security = user. |
| 21:47.49 | redondos | abrotman: Problem solved. Ty. |
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| 21:49.42 | kspath | clars: There is also a site: http://gftp.seul.org/ |
| 21:50.11 | abrotman | redondos: glad to help |
| 21:50.39 | kspath | clars: gftp has a mailing list and mailing list archives as well. |
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| 21:51.39 | clars | kspath, When I look at sargeServer ssh_config an EtchServer ssh_config then it "Enble SendEnv LANG LC_* |
| 21:51.40 | clars | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.50 | new_eng | why no rooms open here in x chat |
| 21:52.53 | mne | valdyn, pwsafe works just fine now ;) I did not see the -E option which causes pwsafe to print the passwords to stdout |
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| 21:53.59 | kspath | clars: Hash knownhosts is only to make it harder for people to casually look at that file |
| 21:54.05 | TaF | how do you view a list of your hardware such as cards etc... in linux? using kde 3.5.2 right now... |
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| 21:55.41 | nethenson | kinfocenter , TaF |
| 21:56.39 | Zvpun_ | I've bootstraped a debian system and wonder what's the correct setup for cdrom. What should the links in /media point to and how should /etc/fstab-entries look like. Is that documented somewhere? What does create /media/*? |
| 21:56.41 | TaF | im in kinfo but i dont see anything that lests hardware |
| 21:56.56 | nethenson | TaF: try pci |
| 21:56.58 | TaF | oh shoot, sorry, i was in kontrol |
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| 21:57.41 | nethenson | dont worry |
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| 21:58.02 | Zvpun_ | can someone post his /etc/fstab in flood together with ls -l /media? |
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| 21:59.50 | NaRak_ | anyone had problems with hardware raid with sata disks showing in debian as 0mb ? |
| 21:59.55 | Zvpun_ | please can someone post /etc/fstab and ls -l /media in flood? |
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| 22:01.18 | NaRak_ | useing a RocketRAID 1820A card with 8 drives attached, htpraidconf which is the raid tool for this card gives me correct size, but linux screams i/o errors at me, and says /dev/sdc = 0 mb |
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| 22:02.12 | Zvpun_ | NaRak_: Could you post your /etc/fstab and ls -l /media to flood please? |
| 22:02.33 | Solet_mod | where is the kernel source stored? |
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| 22:03.10 | FabParmaITA | hi |
| 22:03.20 | nethenson | hi FabParmaITA |
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| 22:04.07 | sobersabre | Solet_mod: at a safe place... |
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| 22:04.28 | FabParmaITA | please, what is the command to switch/change the gmk to gmd? |
| 22:04.29 | NaRak_ | Zvpun_: http://pastebin.com/685863 |
| 22:04.49 | Zvpun_ | thanks |
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| 22:05.19 | FabParmaITA | i changed it, but i am in panic, gdm was better imho |
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| 22:06.38 | nethenson | FabParmaITA: from kdm to gdm? dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 22:07.06 | Joe7off | uhm, anyone familiar with ITE8212 RAID under linux? :) |
| 22:07.37 | FabParmaITA | nethenson: thank you very much |
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| 22:08.02 | nethenson | your welcome :) |
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| 22:08.24 | eleckttruss | who is in miami? |
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| 22:09.05 | FabParmaITA | nethenson: it has worked :-) |
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| 22:12.48 | kspath | eleckttruss: who is who? |
| 22:13.25 | Solet_mod | ok i did the apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 but it just left a tarball sitting in /usr/src... what do i do? |
| 22:13.35 | kspath | Baloo: Version or feature difference? |
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| 22:13.39 | eleckttruss | kspath, i dont know, is that i will go to miami, mi question is only for linuxeo! |
| 22:13.52 | Baloo | Wait, I just straced it, looks like a missing depends on amavisd-new |
| 22:14.50 | Azar | I do not remember to have installed kde, I do remember I have removed it yet, I see few processes starting with k: kswapd, kseriod, kblockd kjournald, khubd, klogd, are these processes belonging to some kde? |
| 22:15.19 | Azar | kspathd.. |
| 22:15.22 | Baloo | No. |
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| 22:15.27 | Baloo | k means kernel in that case |
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| 22:15.40 | Azar | thank you Baloo |
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| 22:16.31 | pjz | how do I use apt-get to get a specific version of a package ? |
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| 22:16.57 | path_ | i think it's impossible |
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| 22:18.05 | petemc | pjz: if multiple versions are available, you can append the version with package=1.1 , i think |
| 22:18.21 | Baloo | path_, pjz: It's possible, something like apt-get install package/release IIRC. RTFM for more information, that's where I originally found it. |
| 22:18.22 | pjz | petemc: ah, thanks |
| 22:18.36 | Solet_mod | where does debian put the kernel-source? its not in /usr/src/linux like it belongs |
| 22:18.54 | path_ | whoa |
| 22:18.57 | petemc | Solet_mod: dpkg -L package |
| 22:19.05 | path_ | indeed i don't know it Baloo |
| 22:19.17 | pjz | Solet_mod: or --listfiles if that's easier to remember |
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| 22:19.43 | CentrX | Solet_mod, if you install a linux-source-XXX package, it puts a .tar.gz file in /usr/src/linux |
| 22:19.53 | Baloo | path_, pjz: You *do* need to have the appropriate sources.list lines for the /release you want, though. |
| 22:20.06 | Solet_mod | CentrX: it put it in /usr/src not /usr/src/linux |
| 22:20.08 | path_ | i see |
| 22:20.24 | Solet_mod | petemc: that command gave several different places |
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| 22:22.06 | xerophyte | with rsync how can i say to delete file which are not in the source location to the remove location .. i mean i wanna delete file which are not in the current location |
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| 22:22.23 | petemc | xerophyte: --delete, suprisingly enough |
| 22:22.38 | xerophyte | petemc, i had that but its not deleteding |
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| 22:22.50 | petemc | xerophyte: well, it should |
| 22:22.59 | xerophyte | rsync -vrplogDtH --delete --rsh="ssh -l root" |
| 22:23.09 | xerophyte | petemc, that didnt delete |
| 22:23.11 | petemc | xerophyte: oh wait, you have it back to front |
| 22:23.24 | xerophyte | petemc, ??? |
| 22:23.38 | Solet_mod | i'm running 2.6.8-2-686 so i want kernel-source-2.8.6 right? |
| 22:23.43 | Solet_mod | thats the best match i can think of |
| 22:23.50 | petemc | xerophyte: --delete deletes files that arent present at the destination, what do you want to do? |
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| 22:24.56 | xerophyte | say i have A/ and B/temp-file when i do rsync from A to B it should delete the temp-file |
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| 22:25.11 | petemc | xerophyte: actually, i got confused by your question, its not complicated tho, if the sending side doesnt have a file, and the destination does, the file will be deleted at the destination side |
| 22:25.30 | xerophyte | petemc, but it didnt :( |
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| 22:26.34 | spanglesontoast | damn |
| 22:26.38 | spanglesontoast | why doesn't debian like php? |
| 22:26.47 | kspath | it is poopie? |
| 22:26.50 | petemc | Solet_mod: it does |
| 22:26.52 | petemc | gah |
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| 22:27.12 | petemc | spanglesontoast: it works fine for plenty of people |
| 22:27.27 | spanglesontoast | then is my config file bust? |
| 22:27.45 | stew | spanglesontoast: tell us the exact problem you are having |
| 22:28.04 | spanglesontoast | basically I've added loadmodule |
| 22:28.13 | spanglesontoast | etc I checked the database over |
| 22:28.18 | spanglesontoast | I'm using wordpress |
| 22:28.26 | stew | spanglesontoast: please don't hit enter so much |
| 22:28.30 | brosioz | how can i get dhcp address from a dhcp server ? |
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| 22:28.42 | pjz | brosioz: make a dhcp request |
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| 22:28.44 | brosioz | how can i get dhcp address from a dhcp server ? only with dhclient ? |
| 22:28.52 | spanglesontoast | and as soon as I decide to load the page it kinda doesn't want to load php |
| 22:28.53 | brosioz | pjz: only with dhclient ? |
| 22:29.04 | pjz | brosioz: there are several dhcp clients |
| 22:29.07 | pjz | brosioz: dhclient is one |
| 22:29.10 | kspath | !dhcp |
| 22:29.10 | dpkg | from memory, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 22:29.10 | Solet_mod | ok i got rid of that kernel-source, cause it wasnt doing what it should have been doing..... i'm running kernel 2.6.8-2-686, is apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 the correct command for getting the kernel source for my kernel? if not, what is? |
| 22:29.12 | TeamCanada|Silen | can some one please give me a link to good mount instructions? |
| 22:29.21 | petemc | TeamCanada|Silen: for what? |
| 22:29.25 | brosioz | pjz: could u said to me others ? |
| 22:29.26 | stew | spanglesontoast: can you be more specific than "kinda doesn't want to load php"? |
| 22:29.27 | TeamCanada|Silen | hdb |
| 22:29.28 | kspath | !tell brosioz about dhcp client |
| 22:29.41 | TeamCanada|Silen | for my fstab |
| 22:29.47 | spanglesontoast | ok maybe apache2 doesn't want to load php4 |
| 22:29.53 | kspath | brosioz: Can you please use you rather than u? |
| 22:29.53 | spanglesontoast | into my pages... |
| 22:30.13 | petemc | kspath: why does that stuff bother you so much? |
| 22:30.14 | aven | getting this error when using apt-get update? W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:30.27 | unix_infidel | kspath: make this a no-lol zone like #python while you're at it :P |
| 22:30.38 | TeamCanada|Silen | LOL @ infedel |
| 22:30.41 | stew | spanglesontoast: how do you know it doesn't? are you seeing an error? you reall have to try to be more specific |
| 22:30.52 | stew | aven: /msg dpkg apt secure ; /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 22:31.06 | spanglesontoast | I went and asked the peeps at wordpress |
| 22:31.20 | spanglesontoast | they said it's normally like that when php doesn't want to load in pages |
| 22:31.24 | aven | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:31.27 | kspath | petemc: I prefer to see English. I prefer those learning English and trying to maintain English skills to see something close to valid English. |
| 22:31.28 | aven | hups |
| 22:31.48 | stew | spanglesontoast: like what? |
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| 22:32.03 | spanglesontoast | it wouldn't be helpful typing it out... |
| 22:32.25 | kspath | petemc: Best of all it helps with readabilty and only requires a couple additional letters. |
| 22:32.27 | petemc | kspath: thats your prerogative, but no matter how much you try, the situation will never improve |
| 22:32.45 | stew | spanglesontoast: ok then if you are not here for help but to just complain. please just keep quiet |
| 22:33.02 | kspath | petemc: Some individuals do try. I try to get people to try. |
| 22:33.25 | stew | spanglesontoast: please don't /msg me random crap, use a pastebin |
| 22:33.39 | spanglesontoast | well I can keep complaining, because most of the time I'm getting yelled at |
| 22:34.05 | petemc | spanglesontoast: your first statement indicated that debian was at fault and not you.. |
| 22:34.07 | kspath | spanglesontoast: Yelling is usually done in ALL CAPS. |
| 22:34.59 | stew | spanglesontoast: anyway. if you have a debian question, please ask a specific question: /msg dpkg ask ; or please just keep quiet. since you are unable to provide any details about your problem we are unable to help. sorry, i tried |
| 22:35.55 | spanglesontoast | well, as usual it seems most of my friends were correct about debian... |
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| 22:36.27 | kspath | spanglesontoast: People often need to ask questions to get more details and specifics. We do not intend to make people feel bad. The purposes are just to try get information and tell people what is considered the better/standard ways. |
| 22:36.53 | spanglesontoast | oh ok |
| 22:37.17 | kspath | spanglesontoast: Some distributions do not fit some persons methods/personalities/habits. |
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| 22:37.26 | unix_infidel | spanglesontoast: what did your friends tell you about debian? |
| 22:37.40 | spanglesontoast | it doesn't matter infidel... |
| 22:37.45 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: do I recognize you from #fedora? |
| 22:37.49 | unix_infidel | I mean seriously, anyone who has friends who use linux, that's a sad existence. |
| 22:37.52 | spanglesontoast | yes thingfish you do |
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| 22:38.04 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: well welcome to Debian! :) |
| 22:38.14 | Trazi | Hi, I have a problem, when I install apache2 it don't create the dirs, somebody knows why? |
| 22:38.17 | ArturoDj | Tanks how are you |
| 22:38.17 | dpkg | just great, ArturoDj |
| 22:38.23 | spanglesontoast | I've moved my servers to debian, but it's been more time taken out of the pocket |
| 22:38.24 | thingfish | wow this irssi is a trip... |
| 22:38.27 | petemc | Trazi: which dirs? |
| 22:38.47 | Trazi | ->/etc/apache2 for example, and the rest of them |
| 22:38.59 | Solet_mod | !dpkg kernel-source |
| 22:39.13 | petemc | Trazi: perhaps it didnt install, for it should have - what package did you install, what did you type? |
| 22:39.26 | Trazi | #aptitude install apache2 |
| 22:39.29 | kspath | spanglesontoast: Sarge/Stable is/was intended to be rock solid. What you appear to be doing it latest/greatest changing moderately often. |
| 22:39.39 | lazzarello | wow. sid + amd64 == watch out! |
| 22:39.49 | thingfish | sarge is solid, if nothing else. |
| 22:40.33 | spanglesontoast | so am I not mean't to be using apache2? |
| 22:40.52 | thingfish | I've been using sarge since it came out, but I think once locales is fixed in unstable I might see what's going oon in sid. |
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| 22:41.08 | thingfish | s/oon/on |
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| 22:41.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:41.14 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 22:41.35 | thingfish | damn you tarzeau, every time you do that I get a craving for popcorn. |
| 22:41.43 | Solet_mod | why wont apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-2-686 work? |
| 22:41.47 | dynamite | How do i lock users in their home directory? |
| 22:41.48 | petemc | Trazi: if you want to use php, try apache2-mpm-prefork, i know that works for me.. |
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| 22:42.05 | enerv | is possible run openwrt in WGR614 v5? |
| 22:42.08 | tarzeau | thingfish: feel free to do it |
| 22:42.09 | Trazi | Ok, I'll go to trying it |
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| 22:42.16 | enerv | is possible run openwrt in NETGEAR WGR614 v5? |
| 22:42.27 | enerv | sorry |
| 22:42.28 | petemc | Trazi: im not sure whats supposed to happen when you specify apache2 on its own, for there are different apache 2 packages |
| 22:42.28 | tarzeau | enerv: this is not #netgear here |
| 22:42.37 | enerv | tarzeau, sorry again |
| 22:42.37 | tarzeau | dynamite: forget it |
| 22:43.03 | tarzeau | dynamite: well at least not with chroot or restricted shells. why do you want to do that? |
| 22:43.15 | Trazi | Nothing, I'm on the same |
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| 22:43.16 | tarzeau | dynamite: either trust your users or don't |
| 22:43.21 | dynamite | so people cannot sniff into other peoples homedir |
| 22:43.31 | thingfish | all hail to DDs! ;) |
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| 22:43.40 | tarzeau | thingfish: why's that? |
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| 22:43.50 | yetistomps | how do i mount an .img file ? |
| 22:43.57 | dynamite | so doesnt work, tarzeau ? |
| 22:44.01 | yetistomps | or a .cue file? |
| 22:44.04 | tarzeau | yetistomps: what says file the.img ? |
| 22:44.13 | tarzeau | yetistomps: convert it to iso first |
| 22:44.13 | thingfish | oh come on, tarzeau, don't you appreciate our wonderful and generous and virtuous DDs? |
| 22:44.20 | spanglesontoast | this doesn't make any sense |
| 22:44.30 | tarzeau | thingfish: hilarious. i don't like all DDs |
| 22:44.39 | yetistomps | tarzeau, oh ..so there is no way to mount a .img file? what about a .cue file? |
| 22:44.47 | tarzeau | dynamite: not really, no |
| 22:44.55 | spanglesontoast | the load module bit is in the config file and also php4 is installed so I can't see what I'm doing wrong |
| 22:45.00 | tarzeau | yetistomps: what says file the.img ? |
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| 22:45.05 | tarzeau | yetistomps: or the.cue ? |
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| 22:45.12 | petemc | spanglesontoast: within /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf , do you have handlers specified ? |
| 22:45.15 | yetistomps | tarzeau, it's a movie. |
| 22:45.16 | deadcat | Gnea: just bowled a 229 today (= 7 strikes in a row |
| 22:45.16 | tarzeau | yetistomps: maybe there is but i don't think so no |
| 22:45.23 | tarzeau | yetistomps: file does'nt say it's a movie |
| 22:45.28 | tarzeau | yetistomps: can you run file the.cue ? |
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| 22:45.30 | dynamite | is there any way to secure homedirs? |
| 22:45.31 | thingfish | tarzeau: "like" and "appreciate" are two different things. You can appreciate the work they do, yet all the while thinking the DD himself is a dork. |
| 22:45.34 | spanglesontoast | no I thought I could whack it in the apache2.conf |
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| 22:45.39 | tarzeau | dynamite: read !harden-doc |
| 22:45.43 | yetistomps | tarzeau, no..i can't |
| 22:45.54 | tarzeau | thingfish: not all DDs work |
| 22:45.58 | richk | If someone could kindly donate a few minutes of their time to help explain/troubleshoot why when I build a kernel module, I get unresolved symbols errors. |
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| 22:46.06 | tarzeau | thingfish: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 22:46.15 | tarzeau | thingfish: i'll soon add last seen activity field |
| 22:46.20 | spanglesontoast | oh wait yea |
| 22:46.24 | Solet_mod | why doesnt the source for my kernel exist on apt? |
| 22:46.25 | spanglesontoast | I Have some handlers |
| 22:46.26 | tarzeau | thingfish: and then you'll see the inactivity of quite some DDs |
| 22:46.27 | thingfish | tarzeau: hehe well that's true of the general population anyway. |
| 22:46.29 | richk | I'm compiling on a PC and transferring to an embedded Debian distribution. |
| 22:46.44 | tarzeau | yetistomps: then don't expect help here |
| 22:46.46 | thingfish | tarzeau: oh I see what you're saying. |
| 22:46.56 | thingfish | tarzeau: yeah well what can you say... |
| 22:47.00 | yetistomps | tarzeau, ok..thanks for your help. |
| 22:47.01 | tarzeau | richk: which modules? |
| 22:47.02 | petemc | spanglesontoast: its best not to guess, i know you're touchy, but are you above reading documentation? |
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| 22:47.17 | richk | tarzeau, I'm compiling some madwifi-ng modules (ath_hal..etc) |
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| 22:47.40 | spanglesontoast | well I believed it was perfectly correct, but since moving to debian no offence apache2 is layed out differently to fed |
| 22:47.52 | petemc | spanglesontoast: it is different, yes |
| 22:48.16 | richk | tarzeau, AFAIK, I compile the kernel (2.4.26) using the debian distribution kernel config file, then I specify KERNELPATH when issueing `make' for the madwifi-ng code. |
| 22:48.18 | tarzeau | finally i build a 2.4 kernel to get my quickcam/tv working again.... |
| 22:48.21 | petemc | spanglesontoast: fedora isnt the standard everyone works by |
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| 22:48.44 | tarzeau | richk: why not use your own config file? www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ and 2.4.33pre2? |
| 22:48.46 | kspath | spanglesontoast: Does the way you knew/understood it make it the right/best way? I understand that it would be convient if it was the same. |
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| 22:48.56 | tarzeau | richk: btw check the readme at that above url |
| 22:48.58 | aven | how I to change synaptic lang from finnish to english? |
| 22:49.19 | Triton | I have a local machine thats an ftp server, if I type in its local address 192.168.0.3 I can logon to ftp but when I type in a domain name or my ip it keeps saying the machine refused the connection, I have 2 firewalls but there both fowarding the part, is there anything that I'm not doing? |
| 22:49.29 | spanglesontoast | the old way was best tbh |
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| 22:49.51 | petemc | spanglesontoast: fedora isnt the old way, you're verging on trolling here |
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| 22:50.03 | richk | Maybe some background can help. I'm compiling madwifi-ng modules for Pebble Linux distribution (Smallish Debian based distribution (<64MB)). I'm trying to compile the modules on a PC, as the required packages to do so (and source) are not available on Pebble Linux (and won't fit on my 256MB CF Flash). |
| 22:50.08 | spanglesontoast | ah soz |
| 22:50.11 | richk | tarzeau, I'll take a glance at that. |
| 22:50.20 | FabParmaITA | how to start Debian as root w/o login? I keep my pc into a closed room, the only person that have keys top enter is me. so i cant understant why i have to login manually. |
| 22:50.21 | mgh0 | this is going to sound like a stupid question but...I deleted a panel in gnome assuming perhaps rather foolishly that my application icons on the panel would move to the main one with the actions menu etc on, needless to say they did not, I have created another panel but none of my apps show up on it, I can only access them via the window selector. Can I get them to show up on the panel again? |
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| 22:50.27 | spanglesontoast | I mean in my personal own taste |
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| 22:50.47 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: fedora tweaks things beyond belief; debian leaves things pretty much as they were developed. |
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| 22:51.12 | richk | I'm not actually making a package for this. |
| 22:51.14 | Triton | anybody? |
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| 22:51.27 | Solet_mod | would some one please tell me why apt has lost my kernel source? |
| 22:51.38 | richk | I'm compiling, and then installing directly to the Pebble distribution directory, where I then execute the Pebble installation script and it installs it to a flash card. |
| 22:51.53 | petemc | Triton: either the name isnt resolving or those 2 firewalls are in the way |
| 22:52.00 | petemc | Triton: or both |
| 22:52.04 | kspath | spanglesontoast: It is ok for you to have an opinion. We do not mind that. Try to state it as an opinion/taste. |
| 22:52.11 | thingfish | Solet_mod: have you looked at your sources.list? Has it changed? |
| 22:52.42 | Triton | petemc, may i pm you for a second? |
| 22:53.00 | petemc | Triton: hm, actually, if you get connection refused, its not resolution, thats not to say its resolving to the right address |
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| 22:53.13 | petemc | Triton: just ask in the channel, there are other people could help you |
| 22:53.22 | thingfish | Triton: normally PM is discouraged here, as it often leads to inappropriate touching. |
| 22:53.23 | aven | FabParmaITA: starting linux as root(autolog in) is not good, but there is way to get autologin for user if need it autolog in.. |
| 22:53.23 | Solet_mod | thingfish, its at /etc/apt/sources.list right? |
| 22:53.38 | thingfish | Solet_mod: yes |
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| 22:53.59 | thingfish | Solet_mod: and what do you mean by "apt has lost my kernel source"? |
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| 22:54.09 | richk | Do you have a link to a cross compiling kernel modules HowTo? |
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| 22:54.27 | Solet_mod | thingfish: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 returns file not found |
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| 22:54.29 | spanglesontoast | yay |
| 22:54.30 | Triton | I think it might be that since I dont have my ip in my hosts file going to the other local ip its getting mixed up, but I need to test to see if it actually works, which makes things bitchy |
| 22:54.31 | Solet_mod | er |
| 22:54.31 | spanglesontoast | I fixed it :D |
| 22:54.37 | Solet_mod | s/image/source |
| 22:54.44 | kspath | spanglesontoast: awesome! :-) |
| 22:54.51 | stew | Solet_mod: 2.6.8-2 is deprecated in favor of the (security patched) 2.6.8-3 |
| 22:54.55 | petemc | Triton: so, ping the name, if it resolves to the correct ip.. |
| 22:54.59 | turiddu | how come after i add a user, they can still browse through the whole system? |
| 22:55.02 | spanglesontoast | it was a simple uncommet |
| 22:55.07 | turiddu | how come they are not restricted to their dir? |
| 22:55.10 | spanglesontoast | :O |
| 22:55.44 | kspath | turiddu: permissions/ownership ? |
| 22:55.45 | stew | spanglesontoast: that should have been documented in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 22:55.50 | petemc | turiddu: people often need to navigate around their system |
| 22:55.51 | stew | spanglesontoast: .../README.Debian |
| 22:55.55 | Triton | petemc, I know my domainname resolves right, I can't connect to myself in other words, but i need to just to see if it works |
| 22:56.03 | stew | Triton: are you talking about shell users? |
| 22:56.08 | stew | turiddu: ^^^ |
| 22:56.13 | stew | Triton: sorry, misfire |
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| 22:56.19 | Triton | happens :) |
| 22:56.19 | FabParmaITA | aven: do you mean sudo? |
| 22:56.23 | TaF | yay! i successfully configured xfree86 and everything is still working properly! |
| 22:56.28 | kspath | spanglesontoast: /usr/share/doc/ has a lot of interesting things. |
| 22:56.37 | spanglesontoast | ok |
| 22:56.55 | thingfish | fdisk -l |
| 22:56.55 | turiddu | petemc, i just want to add shell users |
| 22:56.59 | thingfish | aack |
| 22:57.00 | nn-_ | TaF: that's nothing to be proud of |
| 22:57.01 | turiddu | who are restricted to their own directory? |
| 22:57.03 | turiddu | is that not possible ? |
| 22:57.06 | Triton | wonder if theres some kind of web ftp proxy |
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| 22:57.17 | TaF | it is |
| 22:57.24 | petemc | turiddu: anythings possible, its not straight forward, and its fairly pointless |
| 22:57.28 | TaF | ive been having REAL issues with it since yesterday |
| 22:57.33 | FabParmaITA | aven: i tried sudo, but once logged i have not the full root rights |
| 22:57.49 | turiddu | petemc, i have people who want shell accounts, but i only want them to stay in their home folder, how can i do this? :l |
| 22:57.56 | stew | turiddu: for instance, without being able to see /bin /usr/bin /lib /usr/lib /tmp/.... their shell would be fairly useless |
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| 22:58.12 | turiddu | yeah but i dont want them to see the whole system |
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| 22:58.32 | stew | turiddu: what is something you dont want them to see? |
| 22:58.36 | petemc | turiddu: there are other aspects of security that you should perhaps focus on |
| 22:58.37 | turiddu | other clients |
| 22:58.42 | turiddu | and yeah |
| 22:58.44 | turiddu | like passwd files |
| 22:58.46 | turiddu | and shadow files |
| 22:58.51 | nethenson | turiddu: I used debbotstrap and set their shell in /etc/passwd to be a chroot |
| 22:59.01 | stew | turiddu: dpkg-reconfigure adduser ; make sure that home directories are not world readable |
| 22:59.02 | FabParmaITA | *autologin as root* How? |
| 22:59.17 | Solet_mod | stew: when did it go from 2 to 3? |
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| 22:59.25 | stew | turiddu: they won't be able to read shadow files. |
| 22:59.32 | turiddu | -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 22:59.36 | stew | Solet_mod: couple of weeks ago? |
| 22:59.51 | nethenson | stew: why are the homes world readable by default?!? |
| 22:59.58 | Triton | hey, proxify works, even with ftp |
| 23:00.03 | Triton | nice |
| 23:00.07 | stew | Solet_mod: you can check in the dsa archives, lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 23:00.16 | stew | nethenson: don't know |
| 23:00.17 | turiddu | stew |
| 23:00.21 | turiddu | command didnt work :l |
| 23:00.24 | stew | turiddu: as root |
| 23:00.30 | TaF | are there any known issues i can expect from upgrading to the new kernel in debian? |
| 23:00.35 | stew | turiddu: its in /usr/sbin |
| 23:00.59 | stew | TaF: which version of debian? |
| 23:01.17 | ph0enIx | hello... i've got a problem with the netinstall of debian sarge 3.1... my network-card will not be detected... it's a Marvell Yukon Gigabit Controller... can anybody tell me what i can do to solve this problem? |
| 23:01.24 | TaF | ah geez, the netinstall that is available as of yesterday on the website |
| 23:01.41 | turiddu | stew |
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| 23:01.45 | stew | turiddu: |
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| 23:01.57 | turiddu | i set it, but when i login as a shell user it still lets them navigate throughout the sys |
| 23:02.17 | stew | turiddu: yes, this will only affect new users. you can fix old users directories by chmodding them 700 |
| 23:02.35 | stew | TaF: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
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| 23:03.25 | TaF | 2.3.6-7 |
| 23:03.35 | TaF | ill write that command down, thanx |
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| 23:03.43 | FabParmaITA | how to start Debian as root w/o login? I keep my pc into a closed room, the only person that have keys top enter is me. so i cant understant why i have to login manually. |
| 23:03.45 | stew | TaF: and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 23:04.02 | turiddu | stew |
| 23:04.04 | turiddu | it still does it |
| 23:04.04 | turiddu | :l |
| 23:04.12 | stew | turiddu: too many pronouns |
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| 23:04.21 | TaF | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:04.22 | tarzeau | FabParmaITA: check www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/ |
| 23:04.24 | turiddu | when users login, they still can browse the system |
| 23:04.28 | quitte | FabParmaITA: you still shouldn't use root |
| 23:04.33 | turiddu | even with 700 chmod and the reconfigure |
| 23:04.35 | stew | TaF: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel ; you must pay attention to the last sentence |
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| 23:05.01 | mhall | what command can you run to determine if a debian system is debian or ubuntu? |
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| 23:05.03 | tarzeau | evening mhall |
| 23:05.05 | stew | turiddu: yes. there is no practical way to prevent that. but now they shouldn't be able to browse to other users directories |
| 23:05.06 | turiddu | stew? |
| 23:05.08 | TaF | i dont understand what you just said |
| 23:05.11 | tarzeau | mhall: dpkg -l | grep ubuntu |
| 23:05.13 | dondelelcaro | mhall: /etc/debian_version should tell you |
| 23:05.23 | mhall | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:05.25 | mhall | tarzeau: thanks |
| 23:05.50 | Solet_mod | stew: apt-get upgrade isnt showing a new kernel |
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| 23:06.01 | braunkraut | hola |
| 23:06.03 | TaF | im telling you, i dont know ANYONE who uses linux, i am completely self taught up to this point and i know bits and pieces of this and that |
| 23:06.08 | stew | TaF: type this into your irc client: "/msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel" the bot named dpkg should give you instructions. pay attention to the last sentence which pertains to you |
| 23:06.15 | TaF | thanx |
| 23:06.59 | braunkraut | Configuring tacacs authentication and I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to configure pam to do local authentication for the root account |
| 23:07.01 | fGxN | Something keeps setting my /dev/null to 0644 every morning. I've looked in /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.d, and /var/spool/cron, and I can't find what might be doing it. What am I missing? |
| 23:07.08 | stew | Solet_mod: that's becuase this isn't a new version of the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 package its a different package, named kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 23:07.18 | fGxN | It makes it so regular users can't redirect stdout to /dev/null |
| 23:07.43 | Solet_mod | apt doesnt recognize kernel updates as updates? |
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| 23:08.10 | dondelelcaro | Solet_mod: it depends what packages you've got installed. |
| 23:08.13 | stew | Solet_mod: it does when they are the same pacakge name. kernel packages are treated no differently by the package management system as any other package |
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| 23:08.36 | dondelelcaro | Solet_mod: if you've got a linux-image-2.6-686 package installed, it'll depend on the newest linux-image available, which will cause your kernel to be upgraded |
| 23:09.00 | stew | ^linux^kernel |
| 23:09.05 | FabParmaITA | tarzeau: i checked just now "webkiosk", but there arent informations |
| 23:09.15 | tarzeau | FabParmaITA: yes there are informations |
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| 23:09.16 | hjubal | bye |
| 23:09.19 | FabParmaITA | tarzeau: what is for webkiosk? |
| 23:09.21 | tarzeau | FabParmaITA: check the source package |
| 23:09.22 | TaF | how do i know if yaird is building initrd and not initramfs? |
| 23:09.34 | tarzeau | FabParmaITA: one example on how to make X start, without login |
| 23:09.37 | TaF | is that an option i can select during upgrade? |
| 23:09.49 | tarzeau | TaF: is that powerpc? |
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| 23:10.00 | stew | TaF: as long as you have yaird installed you should be fine |
| 23:10.10 | TaF | thanx |
| 23:10.19 | TaF | and no tarzeau.... |
| 23:10.51 | Solet_mod | kernel-source-2.6.8-3-686 doesnt exist either |
| 23:11.19 | stew | Solet_mod: do you have a security.debian.org line in your sources.list? |
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| 23:11.33 | Solet_mod | yes |
| 23:11.52 | stew | Solet_mod: oh, you want just kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 23:11.55 | Solet_mod | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 23:12.07 | stew | Solet_mod: but actaully why do you want that kernel-source? are you sure you don't just need headers? |
| 23:12.16 | Solet_mod | stew kernel-source-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 23:12.39 | stew | Solet_mod: that also should not exist afaik |
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| 23:13.12 | Solet_mod | stew: the truecrypt install guide says i need the source to my kernel to make the binary |
| 23:13.49 | stew | Solet_mod: its probably incorrect, and you need kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:14.19 | stew | Solet_mod: the unconfigured source is kernel-source-2.6.8 ; if it really needs that then you'll also have to configure and compile it |
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| 23:15.21 | Solet_mod | it says it needs the source to build the program... truecrypt is an app that decrypts aes256 bit encrypted partitions on the fly |
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| 23:15.43 | stew | Solet_mod: is it going to build a kernel module? or is it a patch that you apply? |
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| 23:15.53 | Solet_mod | no clue |
| 23:15.58 | tarzeau | !gui |
| 23:15.59 | dpkg | from memory, gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at http://pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/index.html. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. See cli |
| 23:16.04 | tarzeau | !gui is also http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/toolbarsarecool1.gif |
| 23:16.04 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 23:16.26 | stew | Solet_mod: do the instructions tell you to run the patch command? what does it tell you to do with the kernel source? |
| 23:16.45 | kspath | !tell tarzeau about popcon |
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| 23:17.19 | Solet_mod | http://soletscripts.com/Readme.txt |
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| 23:18.29 | stew | Solet_mod: you need kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:19.28 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: that picture is unrealistic |
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| 23:20.46 | Solet_mod | stew, where do the headers go after i get them? |
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| 23:21.10 | minerale | How may I search for currently installed packages ? |
| 23:21.15 | Solet_mod | (the make script still wants to see something in /usr/src/linux .... |
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| 23:22.05 | marcrosoft | how easy is it to make a lamp box with debian? |
| 23:22.20 | marcrosoft | for someone that has a decent background in linux |
| 23:22.22 | stew | Solet_mod: they go into /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and are symlinked to in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ; use of that /usr/src/linux symlink is broken |
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| 23:22.45 | stew | marcrosoft: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 mysql-server-4.1 |
| 23:23.01 | stew | marcrosoft: oh and php4-mysql |
| 23:23.16 | marcrosoft | stew, does that install ssl support? |
| 23:23.25 | stew | marcrosoft: for apache? yes |
| 23:23.26 | marcrosoft | stew, and what if I want to use php5 |
| 23:23.27 | tuv | stew, doesn't module-assistant fix the /usr/src/linux symlink? |
| 23:23.29 | menko | hellloo, I'm upgrading sid, and it says gnome-common has a bad header line so it could not be retrieved. I suspect it is a problem with the server, but I just want to make sure. Is there anything I might need to fix on my machine? |
| 23:23.43 | stew | tuv: it does. and that is broken according to the kernel README |
| 23:24.04 | stew | menko: tried a different mirror? |
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| 23:24.09 | turiddu | stew, i want to install epic4, irc client, i found the source @ http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/epic4 but if i try to do apt-get install epic, it doesn't work, how can i add that to the source list? :l |
| 23:24.22 | Solet_mod | stew its telling me my kernel source code is incomplete |
| 23:24.26 | menko | stew: no |
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| 23:24.32 | stew | turiddu: apt-get install epic4 |
| 23:24.45 | streuner | !info epic4 sarge |
| 23:24.47 | dpkg | epic4: (epic irc client, version 4), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 422 kB, Installed size: 1364 kB |
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| 23:25.12 | stew | Solet_mod: did you make the /usr/src/linux symlink? |
| 23:25.13 | tarzeau | Version requires old depmod, but couldn't run /sbin/depmod.modutils: No such file or directory |
| 23:25.20 | tarzeau | nice i can't build 2.4 kernels anymore with debian sid? |
| 23:25.33 | tarzeau | whose ass can i kick for that? |
| 23:25.36 | streuner | heh |
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| 23:25.42 | stew | tarzeau: chroot time |
| 23:25.43 | Solet_mod | i used the /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 like you said to |
| 23:25.46 | turiddu_ | thanks stew |
| 23:25.48 | turiddu_ | :) |
| 23:25.55 | stew | Solet_mod: used it how? |
| 23:25.56 | shogunx | any of the installer discs using 2.6.16? |
| 23:26.00 | turiddu | hehe :) |
| 23:26.00 | Solet_mod | i ran the script |
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| 23:26.08 | Solet_mod | it asked me for the location of my kernel source |
| 23:26.15 | Solet_mod | and i gave it the location of the kernel headers |
| 23:26.28 | Solet_mod | just like you said to |
| 23:26.29 | streuner | shogunx: beta etch was 2.6.15, but that was about 2-3 weeks ago... |
| 23:26.56 | shogunx | streuner, so i need to mount the iso and put a 2.6.16 in to do that, eh? |
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| 23:27.12 | stew | Solet_mod: then you'll have to compile a kernel i guess |
| 23:27.43 | voltagex | I'm having trouble with ALSA - I've switched souncards and it's still looking for the old one |
| 23:27.44 | turiddu | stew |
| 23:27.45 | Solet_mod | why doesnt debian release the source with the kernels they compile |
| 23:27.52 | turiddu | how can i enable screen mode for the shell users i just made ? |
| 23:27.56 | turiddu | they can't use screen :( |
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| 23:28.04 | voltagex | (which is still in my box for various reasons) |
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| 23:28.51 | stew | Solet_mod: it does. apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 ; but you'll have to either first install the newer kernel, or reomve the security from your sources, since that source is a newer version than the one you are running. but those instructions said you need configured source. |
| 23:29.16 | stew | Solet_mod: debian doesn't provide configured source. it provides unconfigured source, and configured headers. the headers should have been all you needed. |
| 23:29.32 | Solet_mod | so why not just go to 2.6.8-3-686? |
| 23:29.51 | stew | Solet_mod: becuase there is no configured source available for it either |
| 23:30.09 | voltagex | modprobe is using the correct driver |
| 23:30.15 | Solet_mod | does unconfigured source + configured headers = configured source? |
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| 23:30.17 | stew | Solet_mod: this is all probably a bug in the install script for whatever you are compiling |
| 23:30.22 | voltagex | alsamixer finds the right card |
| 23:30.28 | stew | turiddu: why can you use screen? did you install it? |
| 23:30.51 | Solet_mod | stew: its a decrypter for aes256.... there is no bug... there's no room for bugs with something like that |
| 23:30.52 | stew | Solet_mod: you can get unconfigured source and copy the config in, run oldconfig and make dep maybe. |
| 23:31.00 | voltagex | yet /dev/mixer or /dev/audio or /dev/dsp don't exist (cannot find device) |
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| 23:31.18 | stew | Solet_mod: ok, then compile a kenrel ; /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:31.54 | stew | voltagex: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 23:32.19 | voltagex | stew: doh, I didn't compile that in |
| 23:32.27 | voltagex | stew: doh, I didn't compile it as a module either |
| 23:32.29 | junix-other | i need to make a install CD of sid where can i get the jigod? |
| 23:32.49 | ph0enIx | hi... my network-card (marvell yukon 88E8053 pci-e gigabit ethernet controller) will not be detected. i tried the netinstall, cause i want install only the services & programs which i need... and i know kanotix does support my network-card... is there any way to use the modules from kanotix? |
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| 23:32.56 | stew | voltagex: its the 'oss compatibility for alsa' or something. /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp are really oss, but that module will provide that interface to your alsa |
| 23:33.13 | voltagex | junix-other: do you mean jigdo? |
| 23:33.18 | junix-other | yes |
| 23:33.24 | voltagex | stew: ok |
| 23:33.24 | stew | ph0enIx: did you try the 2.6 kernel or just the 2.4 kernel? |
| 23:33.40 | shogunx | ph0enIx stew, that card is supported starting at 2.6.16 |
| 23:33.42 | voltagex | junix-other: it should be listed on the debian site |
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| 23:33.50 | DamianXL | hi |
| 23:33.59 | voltagex | junix-other: or google for debian jigdo |
| 23:34.07 | ph0enIx | i tried the netinstall of debian 3.1, i think it's the 2.6 kernel, but i'm not shure.... |
| 23:34.08 | junix-other | voltagex: it is, but its on another site, which i can't find the jigdo files.... |
| 23:34.18 | charzero | Is there a way to tell dpkg that I installed something in /usr/local or /opt, and not to try to install the corresponding package when it is a dependency for something else? |
| 23:34.25 | stew | ph0enIx: you can boot a kanotix cd and use debootsrap to install debian. /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 23:34.26 | DamianXL | I just started running an proftpd server on Debian... The user i'm logging in with doesn't have access to /www |
| 23:34.42 | DamianXL | how do i grant access for the username to /www? |
| 23:34.57 | stew | !wikifaq DamianXL Permissions |
| 23:34.57 | dpkg | DamianXL: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:34.58 | ph0enIx | stew: ok, thx... i will try that :) |
| 23:35.01 | DamianXL | ah |
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| 23:35.45 | DamianXL | thanks stew |
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| 23:35.52 | stew | charzero: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 23:37.05 | TaF | if i install yaird, will i be able to configure it to build initrd? |
| 23:37.06 | junix-other | voltagex: ???? |
| 23:37.13 | TaF | and how? |
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| 23:37.36 | huhlig-Laptop | hi hi |
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| 23:40.04 | spanglesontoast | ty for everyones help tonight |
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| 23:40.10 | spanglesontoast | I gotta go die on the bed |
| 23:40.12 | stew | TaF: it should work out of the box. and initrd create will happen automatically when you install the new kernel. if you actually need to tweak the yaird config, man yaird |
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| 23:42.46 | matus_cl | REGISTER natalyta |
| 23:43.12 | stew | matus_cl: uhh you might wanna /query nickserv |
| 23:43.31 | stew | and stop using your girlfriends name for you passwords :) |
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| 23:44.25 | huhlig-Laptop | anyone care to answer a licensing question |
| 23:44.35 | huhlig-Laptop | 2 licenses in question , GPL and nasm. |
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| 23:44.53 | huhlig-Laptop | They cannot be sold. but can they be used as part of a service that is sold? |
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| 23:46.28 | nn-_ | depends on what you call "service" |
| 23:46.39 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: i don't know about nasm. but you can certainly use gpl as part of a service. you just cannot distribute the software without providing sourcecode, and you can't sell the software itself or charge licensing fees |
| 23:46.49 | nn-_ | btw. what does nasm mean? |
| 23:46.52 | nn-_ | !nasm |
| 23:46.52 | dpkg | somebody said nasm was Netwide Assembler, a free assembler. Homepage: http://www.web-sites.co.uk/nasm |
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| 23:47.18 | jelly-ho | stew: of course you can sell the software, why not? |
| 23:47.41 | nn-_ | jelly-ho: you may only take money for the media costs |
| 23:47.44 | huhlig-Laptop | ok... Its being used as part of a computer repair service |
| 23:48.20 | huhlig-Laptop | http://www.cdshell.org/download/license.html |
| 23:48.24 | huhlig-Laptop | nasm license |
| 23:48.28 | huhlig-Laptop | Im just curious |
| 23:48.31 | jelly-ho | nn-_: If it's my piece of gpl licensed sofware, I'll bloody well sell it. |
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| 23:49.10 | nn-_ | jelly-ho: by "your piece" you mean you are the author? |
| 23:49.20 | jelly-ho | nn-_: yes. |
| 23:49.34 | nn-_ | that's a good question |
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| 23:50.02 | nn-_ | btw. i have a question regarding the next version of the gpl.. |
| 23:50.03 | jelly-ho | nn-_: and I can't remember anything in gpl that would forbid me to sell eg. linux kernel if someone wants to buy it from me. I just have to provide the source. |
| 23:50.10 | strider | you can sell GPL software , you just have to provide source code as well. |
| 23:50.36 | jelly-ho | strider: that's my understanding too. |
| 23:50.37 | stew | yes, i was wrong |
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| 23:50.53 | nn-_ | the gpl says "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee." |
| 23:51.01 | stew | well |
| 23:51.02 | stew | no |
| 23:51.13 | nn-_ | that doesnt sound like you are allowed to get rich with it |
| 23:51.23 | stew | right, you can't charge for the source code, but you can charge for the transferrence |
| 23:51.30 | nn-_ | exactly |
| 23:51.31 | efaistos | Hi, |
| 23:51.35 | jelly-ho | nn-_: applies to additional charges for the source. |
| 23:52.13 | strider | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney |
| 23:52.14 | stew | awesome, here is the nasm website: http://nasm.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:52.40 | huhlig-Laptop | stew yes |
| 23:52.48 | huhlig-Laptop | Im just curious on the liscence |
| 23:52.49 | TaF | where can i find a current list of repositories? |
| 23:52.56 | nn-_ | are there any efforts to disallow the usage of gpl code for military purposes in the next release of the gpl? |
| 23:53.03 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: where is the text of the license, becuase that site is broken |
| 23:53.04 | efaistos | stew: maybe you remember i had a little problem with lvm yesterday and i couldnt start on a 2.6.15 kernel ... I found that when the computer is going down it can't deactivate the VG ... That's maybe why then It cant find it to start on a 2.6.15 ... |
| 23:53.04 | nn-_ | i think that's an important point |
| 23:53.28 | zrin | to enable ip forwarding between two local subnets, is there anything else needed besides setting ip_forward to 1? |
| 23:53.48 | strider | TaF: you mean mirrors? |
| 23:53.48 | stew | efaistos: i've seen that problem on my laptop when its going down but i dont' have the same problem bringing it up |
| 23:53.54 | zrin | (there is no firewall running) |
| 23:54.00 | jelly-ho | zrin: routes? |
| 23:54.35 | zrin | jelly-ho: yes, I see, on nodes in both subnets |
| 23:54.54 | efaistos | stew: dont think that is maybe the source of my problem ? |
| 23:55.17 | stew | no |
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| 23:55.31 | trixxz | anyone know where the logs are for bootup? |
| 23:55.35 | turiddu | stewy you have any experience with DNS nad Reverse DNS settings ? |
| 23:55.44 | trixxz | been looking in /var/log but not sure which it might be |
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| 23:56.21 | efaistos | anyway ... someone use GNOME 2.14 and Xorg 7 ? I found that this is too slow ... |
| 23:56.24 | TaF | well, i actually dont understand repositories very well, ive read about them on debian.org, still dont get it. i guess i was hoping there would be a list of up to date repositories i could just type into synaptic. is that the case? or am i doomed since im incapable of understanding how they work? |
| 23:56.51 | zrin | jelly-ho: but for one of the subnets, the router is the default route anyway, and for the (outer) subnet I've set the route. I can ping inner->outer, but I still cannot ping outer->inner |
| 23:56.59 | stew | TaF: /msg dpkg backports ; http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 23:57.04 | jelly-ho | hmm |
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| 23:57.53 | jelly-ho | zrin: the router also has a default route I guess? |
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| 23:58.07 | zrin | jelly-ho: correct |
| 23:58.22 | sanmarcos | how can I permanently set my $EDITOR variable? |
| 23:58.57 | zrin | jelly-ho: I have a local net 192.168.205.0/24 and a node .150 which is default route for 192.168.28.0/24, which is vmware NAT subnet |
| 23:59.11 | stew | sanmarcos: if you want to do it for just your user, set it in .profile or .bash_profile; for systemwide either edit /etc/environment or update-alternatives --config editor |
| 23:59.13 | strider | sanmarcos: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 23:59.34 | zrin | jelly-ho: I'm trying to ping node(s) in .28.x from .205.x |
| 23:59.36 | sanmarcos | strider, stew, thank you! |
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