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| 00:01.09 | jelly-ho | zrin: <nod> but does the default route in .205.0/24 net point to the same router? |
| 00:01.48 | zrin | jelly-ho: no, default route for .205.0/25 is .205.128 |
| 00:02.06 | zrin | jelly-ho: which is in turn connected to the cable modem |
| 00:02.23 | zrin | jelly-ho: so it is 2x NAT |
| 00:02.46 | zrin | jelly-ho: hmm, perhaps the inner NAT is the problem |
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| 00:02.57 | menko | hi, what type of software would be used to design a business card? |
| 00:02.58 | jelly-ho | zrin: so you need to add an explicit route for .28.0 on hosts in .205.0, or on .205.128 |
| 00:03.42 | jelly-ho | zrin: that's why I use bridging in vmware ;-) |
| 00:03.53 | jelly-ho | simpler. |
| 00:03.56 | zrin | jelly-ho: I've added this explicit route to the node in .205.0 and traceroute shows .205.150 as the first node |
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| 00:04.26 | jelly-ho | zrin: but it doesn't go further? |
| 00:04.32 | zrin | jelly-ho: correct |
| 00:04.44 | wimp | in gcc 4.1, how do I modify the specs file so that I can insert a stage between the preprocessing and compiling stage? |
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| 00:05.22 | zrin | jelly-ho: or perhaps it does, but the ping reply does not get back |
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| 00:05.56 | huhlig-Laptop | stew :http://www.cdshell.org/download/license.html |
| 00:06.01 | zrin | jelly-ho: because of NAT (?) ... would the "host only" network with appropriate forwarding help? |
| 00:06.24 | pilgrim | I want to setup an SMTP and IMAP mail server. Where do I get started? |
| 00:06.24 | jelly-ho | zrin: eh, what nat? |
| 00:06.52 | zrin | jelly-ho: the inner (vmware) NAT |
| 00:07.03 | jade | folks what tool can i use to share ideas via web interface for internal idea development (e.g. product features) that all of our employees can access (similar to a blog)? |
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| 00:07.25 | jelly-ho | zrin: no nat between the two networks afaict. the vmware host acts as a router between the two networks. |
| 00:07.26 | lamby | jade: try mediawiki? or maybe trac if you want to include source code. |
| 00:07.55 | zrin | jelly-ho: what do you suggest for further investigation? |
| 00:08.03 | jade | lamby, cool, thanks! |
| 00:08.15 | SCI4All | Hi. I'm using Sid and trying to install gcompris for the kids. gcompris is at version 7.3.2-1+b1 and depends on gcompris-data 7.3.2-1+b1 which is only at 7.3.2-1. |
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| 00:08.22 | SCI4All | Is there any thing I can do |
| 00:08.28 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: this is a nasty license, and definately isn't dfsg free. what are you looking to do with the software under this license? |
| 00:08.54 | jelly-ho | zrin: try pinging or telneting to a node in .150.0 from a vmware client and see if the packets get NAT-ed. |
| 00:10.30 | jelly-ho | zrin: if yes, then change to some vmware network option which doesn't involve nat. I don't have vmware on this machine so I don't know what's really available. |
| 00:10.36 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: section IV is the one you need to be careful about |
| 00:11.26 | huhlig-Laptop | stew: I am developing a CD for diagnostics and tools on a CD for distrobution to stores |
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| 00:11.36 | yetistomps | what will be the easiest thing to do for someone like me who never coded seriously to create a gui for KDE or GNOME for a script I created? |
| 00:11.40 | jelly-ho | zrin: (to check, run tcpdump or other sniffer on the .150.x node which gets pinged/telnetted to from vmware, and look at the source addr) |
| 00:11.50 | huhlig-Laptop | stew: its used on customer machines for repair |
| 00:12.08 | lamby | yetistomps: there are usually bindings or hooks to other progamming languages like php or perl.. what are you coding in? |
| 00:12.33 | zrin | jelly-ho: it's .205.x, yes, connection from vmware client .28.x gets NATed, I see it as connection from the host .205.150 |
| 00:12.43 | yetistomps | lamby, that's the thing. I never coded b4. So i would like to start small. |
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| 00:13.40 | huhlig-Laptop | stew: the CDshell isnt used for the repair obvieously. the software we use is under GPL or vendor license |
| 00:13.41 | jelly-ho | zrin: well, the easist way to fix is to use the "bridged" network in vmware client and assign addresses from the "outer" net. If that's acceptable. |
| 00:13.49 | yetistomps | lamby, i am trying to help users who are new to linux get a gui for a script I created that will make their life a tad easier until they are comfortable with a terminal. |
| 00:13.54 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: their license is unclear an you should really ask them for permission |
| 00:13.58 | huhlig-Laptop | ok |
| 00:14.12 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: statements like: "We may well allow you to incorporate it into commercial software too, but we'll probably demand some money for it, and we'll certainly demand to be given credit." |
| 00:14.20 | stew | is just too unclear |
| 00:14.21 | huhlig-Laptop | know a version of this program that is under GPL? |
| 00:14.21 | lamby | yetistomps: okay... well try looking into Python ? it is quite easy to learn and can make GUIs :) |
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| 00:14.35 | huhlig-Laptop | or something similer? |
| 00:14.40 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: what does it do? |
| 00:14.41 | charzero | is there a net install cd that will give me a base system with a 2.6 kernel and module-init-tools ? |
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| 00:14.51 | zrin | jelly-ho: yes, but then the host nic has to go into "sniffing" mode, degrading performance (?) |
| 00:14.55 | macks | hello, i want to make a setting in /proc persistent across reboots (i.e. set automatically on startup). where can i set this? |
| 00:14.57 | jelly-ho | zrin: that's what I have at work, so my linux machine is at eg. 10.0.3.48 and the vmware client is at 10.0.3.51. |
| 00:15.00 | yetistomps | lamby, python. I've heard of it. Thank u. |
| 00:15.03 | huhlig-Laptop | stew its basically a CD boot menu for chain loading |
| 00:15.19 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: like isolinux? |
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| 00:15.43 | jelly-ho | zrin: I'm not sure about that, might be right. |
| 00:16.03 | huhlig-Laptop | stew, no more like a chainloader |
| 00:16.13 | lamby | yetistomps: packages like python-gtk2-dev allow you to write programs that use the GNOME window toolkit.. check it out, and good luck :) |
| 00:16.14 | zrin | jelly-ho: there is a third option, "host only" network ... but I assume I would lose internet connectivity then .... |
| 00:16.15 | huhlig-Laptop | It boots a menu, then you choose which image to boot from |
| 00:16.21 | stew | huhlig-Laptop: what does that do that isolinux doesn't? |
| 00:16.23 | zrin | jelly-ho: thank you for your help |
| 00:16.47 | pilgrim | How do I configure exim? I want to change the place where mail is stored and such (.eg. mbox vs /var/spool/mail). I also want to enable clients to use smtp and imap, how do I do these? Thanks. |
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| 00:17.47 | lamby | pilgrim: i use dovecot for IMAP/POP3. not sure about exim config though. /etc/exim*.conf? |
| 00:17.48 | yetistomps | lamby, would the gtk2 also work if these users have KDE as their main wm? |
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| 00:18.06 | huhlig-Laptop | stew isolinux is used to boot this |
| 00:18.09 | jelly-ho | zrin: hm, the physical ethernet apparently isn't in promiscouos (sniffing) mode. |
| 00:18.15 | huhlig-Laptop | this is a full menu system |
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| 00:18.36 | Alam_Linux | one of my cdrom drives is going nuts with errors, how can i tell the kernel to drop the cdrom drive? |
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| 00:18.44 | lamby | yetistomps: it would, but might look a little funny :) there might be some way around it, but you'd have to ask someone more knowledgable :P |
| 00:19.10 | lamby | yetistomps: they would have to have the gtk runtime there though, otherwise there is no hope |
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| 00:19.33 | yetistomps | lamby, is there then something more universal? that would work on both wm's? KDE and GNOME or do i hve to choose one to work with? |
| 00:19.36 | Coweater | it will look like the default gtk2 theme, any app you install that needs it will pull the proper gtk packages |
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| 00:20.59 | zrin | jelly-ho: I've enabled the bridge and got this in syslog: x2a kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 00:21.23 | zrin | jelly-ho: ... "x2a kernel: bridge-eth0: enabled promiscuous mode" |
| 00:21.28 | lamby | yetistomps: i'm really not sure--probably though, although they work in kinda different ways so it wouldn't be easy to make some universal 'glue' |
| 00:21.34 | lamby | yetistomps: but i don't think it's a big problem as most people have the other runtime install |
| 00:21.35 | pilgrim | lamby, I see. Did you have to do any configuration with dovecot? |
| 00:22.10 | yetistomps | lamby, okies.. python it is then. :-) |
| 00:22.16 | jelly-ho | zrin: i see that too, but no mention of PROMISC mode in "ifconfig eth0" |
| 00:22.35 | lamby | pilgrim: on debian? probably not much - my setup is complicated so I did. you may want/need to configure a SSL certificate though |
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| 00:23.37 | jelly-ho | zrin: think "bridge-eth0" is vmware's bridge (provided by vmnet module). |
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| 00:25.17 | pilgrim | lamby, ok. thanks. |
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| 00:25.44 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows some light text viewer, (lighter than kedit) ? |
| 00:26.04 | Coweater | more |
| 00:27.31 | jelly-ho | zrin: there's also "named" and "custom" network options. |
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| 00:27.38 | yetistomps | lamby, just out of curiosity. I know you can open a text file and start coding python. Is there an application that checks while you code (so that it corrects 'mistakes')? |
| 00:27.46 | jelly-ho | zrin: I don't know what those do, though. |
| 00:27.59 | zrin | jelly-ho: as soon as I disconnect the client's NIC: "x2a kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode" |
| 00:28.19 | zrin | jelly-ho: I'll try "host-only network" next |
| 00:28.44 | De_Mon | I need debug symbols for asterisk_1.2.7.1-dfsg2 (etch), but none are available.. how can I create a -dbg package from the source |
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| 00:29.29 | yetistomps | lamby, nv.. there are tons of integrated development environments i can choose from... phew..so many. |
| 00:29.59 | axolx | hi channel. does anyone know how to update firefox in etch? firefox's built-in update system seems to be deactivated in the debian vanilla package |
| 00:30.03 | magyar | i cant set locale on sid i get "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." |
| 00:30.10 | lamby | yetistomps: haha.. i was afraid of stating my preferred one on here for fear of being flamed ;) |
| 00:30.17 | magyar | i am trying to install locales |
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| 00:30.29 | yetistomps | lamby, nah.. shoot. |
| 00:30.46 | yetistomps | lol.. dont know which one.. AHH..this one: Komodo. |
| 00:31.11 | lamby | yetistomps: well, you must find your own favourite. it's one of those zen things. vi vs. emacs. ra ra. (ps. it's JEdit) |
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| 00:32.17 | pilgrim | lamby, do you know if the default exim4 that comes with debian has pop3 support? If so why do I need dovecot-pop3d? |
| 00:32.24 | yetistomps | jedit: popular multi-language Java 1.4 and VM...hmm |
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| 00:33.17 | lamby | pilgrim: it doesn't - you need to install the -pop3d |
| 00:33.26 | alpha1_ | WiFi question on debian 3.1 - I downloaded and installed the ndis wrapper for my wifi pci card, now what do I do to get my wifi card working??? |
| 00:33.27 | pilgrim | lamby, k, thanks. |
| 00:33.48 | warreng | so i'm trying to do a simple sid backport of subversion 1.3.1 on to a stable sarge install... i'm working my way through dependency hell and i'm stuck at subversion requiring "kaffe-dev" and "kaffe-dev" requiring "ecj-bootstrap" which i can't find anywhere :( |
| 00:34.19 | alpha1_ | any help would be appreciated thanks |
| 00:34.46 | axolx | alpha1_ : do you have the ndiswrapper kernel module and executable? |
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| 00:35.19 | alpha1_ | well I checked in synaptic installer inventory.. and I found a ndiswrapper kernel module and utility.. I downloaded those... both |
| 00:35.36 | lamby | pilgrim: exim only handles the transport of mail (the M and T of of SMTP ;), not the user retrieval of mail |
| 00:35.36 | alpha1_ | not sure about executable though |
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| 00:36.07 | alpha1_ | doesn't this work with the windows driver provided with the wifi card??? |
| 00:36.19 | alpha1_ | thats what I was told anyways |
| 00:36.24 | axolx | alpha1_: do 'lsmod' to list the loaded modules and see if you can see ndiswrapper in the list |
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| 00:36.34 | alpha1_ | k... one sec.. I will check |
| 00:36.53 | axolx | alpha1_: if it's not in the list, do 'modprobe ndiswrapper' and report the output from that |
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| 00:37.39 | pilgrim | lamby, fair enough. |
| 00:37.45 | alpha1_ | nope its not on the list.. will do a modprobe as you suggested |
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| 00:38.21 | alpha1_ | alpha:/home/alpha1# modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 00:38.21 | alpha1_ | FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 00:38.28 | alpha1_ | thats what it returned |
| 00:39.13 | ph0enIx | hi...whats the current version of debootsrap? and where do i get it? |
| 00:39.16 | axolx | alpha1_: you need to run modprobe as root |
| 00:39.26 | alpha1_ | k... sorry.. oops...lol |
| 00:39.32 | alpha1_ | doohhhhh |
| 00:42.10 | alpha1_ | I get the same error axolx |
| 00:43.40 | yetistomps | lamby, jedit is nice. komodo costs $$. Time to learn python.. |
| 00:43.41 | alpha1_ | yep I |
| 00:43.50 | axolx | alpha1_: you're using a stock kernel right? or did you compile it yourself? |
| 00:43.51 | alpha1_ | yep I am in root and still the same error |
| 00:43.56 | alpha1_ | no its stock |
| 00:44.04 | alpha1_ | right off a downloaded ISO |
| 00:44.21 | alpha1_ | but I did a net install |
| 00:44.21 | lamby | yetistomps: mm jedit has some nice plugins too. enjoy :) |
| 00:44.26 | alpha1_ | using apt-get |
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| 00:44.52 | yetistomps | lamby, phew...lots to learn. |
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| 00:45.53 | lamby | yetistomps: just start at the beginning.. heh. so what will your program do? :) |
| 00:46.21 | pinky | Like... maybe I'll eat all the DXM then smoke before it hits me |
| 00:46.27 | yetistomps | lamby, it will make users mount and automount .img and .iso and .cue files. |
| 00:46.34 | yetistomps | lamby, automatically |
| 00:46.41 | pinky | Whoa how'd *that* get in my clipboard? |
| 00:46.45 | pinky | ahem |
| 00:47.03 | yetistomps | lamby, simple but it's a start. |
| 00:47.06 | alpha1_ | I noticed in synaptic package list there were several kernel listing for ndis... I think I might of used the wrong one... damn |
| 00:47.07 | lamby | pinky: you randomly CTRL+V ENTER on irc? are you mad? :) |
| 00:47.13 | lamby | yetistomps: nooo it would be useful :) |
| 00:47.15 | pinky | No I thought I copied something else haha |
| 00:47.19 | De_Mon | what does 'dh_strip -a' do? I don't see it in the man |
| 00:47.20 | jelly-ho | http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=fuckman.jpg&category=Adult%20Engrish&date=2005-09-22 |
| 00:47.26 | pinky | I want to chown a directory and all subdirectories and files... would I do a chown -R? |
| 00:47.29 | pinky | THERE we go! |
| 00:47.34 | alpha1_ | k... I gotta check on that.. be back later.... |
| 00:47.34 | jelly-ho | oops, random ctrl-v enter |
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| 00:47.40 | lamby | pinky: yes. |
| 00:47.43 | De_Mon | pinky yep |
| 00:47.44 | pinky | okay phew |
| 00:47.53 | lamby | pinky: why, what did you try? |
| 00:48.00 | yetistomps | lamby, i meant mount and unmount .iso, .img, .cue :-) |
| 00:48.15 | pinky | Oh, nothing, I just wasn't sure what "recursive" referred to in the help |
| 00:48.25 | pinky | I guessed that was what I was looking for but just wanted to be sure |
| 00:48.39 | lamby | pinky: you didn't ctrl+v enter as root onto a console, did you? :P |
| 00:49.01 | pinky | Heh, no... I just said something in IRC I didn't know was in my clipboard |
| 00:49.08 | axolx | alpha1_ dont know what to say from here. if you installed the ndiswrapper module from a debian source and they match your kernel you should be able to load them. one thing you could do it compile your own kernel, and then compile ndiswrapper. |
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| 00:49.27 | lamby | pinky: just hoping that habit didn't stretch to the console as root, that's all ! |
| 00:49.46 | pinky | lamby: Haha nope, I'm very vveeryyy careful with root. |
| 00:50.13 | lamby | yetistomps: yep, I guessed :) do you need root priviledges to mount those? |
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| 00:52.55 | yetistomps | lamby, sudo.. yes |
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| 00:53.45 | yetistomps | lamby, unfortunately there is no way to mount .isofiles or whatnot as a regular user. I tried. |
| 00:54.02 | lamby | yetistomps: mmm thought so.. just thinking how your app will do the mounting -- it would have to modify /etc/sudoers on install if you go the sudo route |
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| 00:54.47 | yetistomps | lamby, errm. Yeah. I am not sure what route would be best for newbies. |
| 00:55.23 | warreng | why is'nt there a source package for gij-4.0 ? |
| 00:55.26 | Azar | adduser "username" cdrom |
| 00:55.34 | warreng | i can't do a simple sid backport of subversion 1.3.1 without it |
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| 00:56.48 | lamby | warreng: it's source is gcc-defaults, no? |
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| 00:57.35 | warreng | lamby: don't think so... gij is java stuff |
| 00:57.38 | warreng | oh wait |
| 00:57.40 | warreng | gij is in there... hrm |
| 00:57.55 | warreng | but not "gij-4.0" |
| 00:58.02 | lamby | yetistomps: you could run the entire app as root? at least to start off with. programs like gksu provide a pretty way for a user to run an app as root. |
| 00:58.03 | yetistomps | lamby, to install jedit.jar on my deb system.. i just have to type java jedit.jar ? |
| 00:58.20 | lamby | yetistomps: yes |
| 00:58.42 | lamby | warreng: gij is not written in java though? |
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| 00:59.03 | warreng | lamby: dunno |
| 00:59.09 | yetistomps | lamby, I will probably bring up a window like k3b does to modify settings that require root access. |
| 00:59.11 | warreng | lamby: i'm just trying to backport subversion |
| 00:59.18 | warreng | and i'm already like 10 dependencies into it |
| 00:59.26 | warreng | and i can't find "gij-4.0" :-/ |
| 00:59.43 | lamby | warreng: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/gij-4.0 ? |
| 00:59.56 | warreng | lamby: that's not a source package |
| 01:01.02 | lamby | warreng: just checking we are talking about the right thing. at bottom there is a link to the source package |
| 01:02.02 | warreng | lamby: hrmm |
| 01:02.09 | yetistomps | lamby, what do i need to apt-get to run jedit.jar? I tried apt-get install java but not found.. then if I type java jedit.jar i get ClassNotfound errors (/usr/lib/libgcj) |
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| 01:02.47 | lamby | yetistomps: my bad. try java -jar jedit.jar |
| 01:03.22 | warreng | lamby: sweet! you're right, it's tucked away in gcj-4.0 |
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| 01:03.48 | magyar | i am trying to install "locales" on my sid system but i get http://pastebin.com/686102. Can anyone help a brother? |
| 01:03.51 | strider | yetistomps: there is a jedit repos too |
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| 01:04.24 | warreng | so how bad an idea is it to run the unstable branch on a production machine? |
| 01:04.30 | sanmarcos | !snm |
| 01:04.30 | dpkg | snm is probably say no more |
| 01:04.38 | sanmarcos | warreng: its not a bad idea |
| 01:04.46 | sanmarcos | warreng: some packages break every once in a while |
| 01:04.53 | lamby | warreng: depends on what you're running :) |
| 01:04.59 | warreng | like what? how often? and how long until they get fixed? |
| 01:05.05 | warreng | lamby: mysql, lighttpd, and subversion |
| 01:05.06 | warreng | that's it |
| 01:05.07 | sanmarcos | warreng: but stable is old as crap, and by the time the next stable is released, it will already be outdated |
| 01:05.10 | warreng | ruby and rails |
| 01:05.16 | sanmarcos | warreng: glibc is broken in unstable |
| 01:05.28 | sanmarcos | warreng: shit gets broken, but if you dont update its fine |
| 01:05.33 | sanmarcos | warreng: run testing if you want to be safe |
| 01:05.37 | sanmarcos | !testing |
| 01:05.38 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 01:05.49 | warreng | sanmarcos: testing doesn't have subversion 1.3, only 1.2 |
| 01:05.58 | sanmarcos | warreng: so? |
| 01:06.03 | warreng | i need 1.3 |
| 01:06.04 | sanmarcos | warreng: install it from unstable |
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| 01:06.12 | warreng | sanmarcos: that's what i'm trying to do |
| 01:06.12 | sanmarcos | apt-get -t unstable |
| 01:06.15 | warreng | and it's dependency hell |
| 01:06.21 | sanmarcos | then install it from source |
| 01:06.30 | warreng | sanmarcos: that's what i'm trying to do and it's dependency hell |
| 01:06.38 | sanmarcos | from source? really |
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| 01:06.49 | yetistomps | lamby, that brought an error too. I am apt-getting libgcj6-common. BTW, ftp.debian.org is awfully busy.. is there a way to modify where to get files? like another repository |
| 01:06.50 | yetistomps | ? |
| 01:06.52 | sanmarcos | just apt-get source, install the new 1.3 tarball, and patch with diff |
| 01:06.53 | warreng | subversion requires kaffe which requires ecj-bootstrap which requires gij-4.0 which reqiures dpkg-dev which requires libselinux1-dev |
| 01:06.56 | lamby | warreng: lighttpd is easy to compile from source, so you may want to do that to keep up with development there. otherwise, try testing :) |
| 01:07.00 | warreng | and that's as far as i've gotten |
| 01:07.02 | sanmarcos | warreng: kaffe? lol |
| 01:07.14 | lamby | yetistomps: yep :) you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list where are you situated? |
| 01:07.18 | sanmarcos | what the fuck does kaffe have to do with subersion? |
| 01:07.28 | yetistomps | lamby, US. PA. Philadelphia. |
| 01:07.29 | warreng | sanmarcos: subversion has java bindings |
| 01:07.49 | lamby | yetistomps: find something close on http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full |
| 01:07.52 | strider | yetistomps: there is a repository for jedit |
| 01:07.53 | benplaut | I've got an old IBM thinkpad with 8mb ram, 80mhz 486, a 540mb hdd, and a orinoco wifi card. How many versions back would i have to get to get a successful floppy netinstall with so little RAM? |
| 01:07.58 | sanmarcos | warreng: well then either find a solution to install it from source, wait for testing, or swtich to unstable |
| 01:08.04 | sanmarcos | either way, I couldnt care less |
| 01:08.07 | yetistomps | strider, couldnt find it in testing. |
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| 01:08.29 | warreng | sanmarcos: i'm just trying to figure out how unstable "unstable" really is |
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| 01:08.36 | strider | yetistomps: not official. from the jedit website under Downloads |
| 01:08.37 | warreng | what was that about glibc being broken in it right now? |
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| 01:09.07 | strider | !tell yetistomps about jedit |
| 01:09.23 | sanmarcos | try it |
| 01:09.28 | magyar | i am trying to install "locales" on my sid system but i get http://pastebin.com/686102. Can anyone help a brother? |
| 01:09.38 | minerale | Anyone know if Intellij Idea runs on amd64? |
| 01:10.24 | warreng | any guess how long before subversion 1.3.1 is in the testing branch? |
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| 01:10.38 | trincamckee | good evening |
| 01:10.45 | sanmarcos | warreng: nobody will answer that question |
| 01:10.47 | trincamckee | does someone knows if libwxgtk2.6-dev inclued libwxbase2.6-dev as well? |
| 01:10.48 | sanmarcos | you already got an answer |
| 01:11.03 | warreng | i didn't realize i asked that question already? |
| 01:11.10 | jengelh | trincamckee : if not, it would depend on it |
| 01:11.22 | trincamckee | sorry i didnt get |
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| 01:11.43 | jengelh | if wxgtk does not include wxbase, then the package manager will tell you wxgtk needs wxbase. |
| 01:12.10 | trincamckee | i see |
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| 01:12.57 | trincamckee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.57 | Baloo | Why would amavisd say "ERROR: MISSING REQUIRED BASIC MODULES: Net::SMTP" if libnet-perl is installed? |
| 01:13.02 | trincamckee | and i remember some talking somewhere about that |
| 01:13.03 | sanmarcos | !do blame udev for all the evil in the world |
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| 01:14.03 | trincamckee | anyway tks jengelh |
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| 01:14.21 | warreng | does security.debian.org work for testing/unstable? |
| 01:14.46 | sanmarcos | warreng: no |
| 01:14.57 | beef | I'm trying to set up a Debian firewall, but /etc/network/if-up.d/firewall.sh isn't being executed when I type "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1". I can, however, type "/etc/network/if-up.d/firewall.sh" and things work. Can anyone help me? |
| 01:15.01 | lamby | warreng: no. see http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing-security |
| 01:15.07 | sanmarcos | that is only to port back security updates to outdated distros such as stable |
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| 01:15.39 | beef | I'm running stable, btw. |
| 01:15.40 | sanmarcos | beef: probably something in that file, check it out |
| 01:15.44 | warreng | so if i was running the unstable branch i wouldn't have to worry about security updates as long as i kept up-to-date with apt? |
| 01:16.10 | lamby | oops, see the question above. |
| 01:16.58 | beef | sanmarcos: But that file does exactly what I want when executed directly from the shell. My problem is that it's definitely _not_ being executed when I do an "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1" |
| 01:18.00 | beef | sanmarcos: I made the second line of the file (after #!/bin/sh) be: "/bin/touch /tmp/foo". And no "/tmp/foo" file appears after an "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1" :( |
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| 01:18.59 | beef | Can anyone suggest why my stuff isn't working, and what I could do to debug it? |
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| 01:21.02 | warreng | so "sarge" is stable, "etch" is testing and "sid" is unstable? |
| 01:21.15 | lamby | warreng: yep. |
| 01:21.26 | lamby | warreng: cute, huh? :) |
| 01:21.34 | warreng | very |
| 01:21.35 | pipeline | warreng: It's important to note that "sid" is *always* the name of unstable. |
| 01:21.42 | pipeline | warreng: At some point, etch will be stable, but sid will still be unstable :P |
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| 01:21.45 | tilrman | beef: perhaps there is another script running before firewall.sh and it dies, so ifup stops and never gets around to running firewall.sh |
| 01:21.45 | litage | what regex syntax will match anything starting with "a" but not followed by "bcd"? for example, "aeee" matches, but "abcd" doesn't match |
| 01:21.45 | NetDC | warreng: sid is allways unstable |
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| 01:22.06 | lamby | litage: a[^(bcd)] |
| 01:22.08 | warreng | pipeline: is there another name for "unstable" that will eventually become testing which will eventually become stable? |
| 01:22.12 | litage | lamby: thanks |
| 01:22.14 | warreng | i.e. if sid isn't after etch, what is? |
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| 01:22.26 | pipeline | warreng: nope |
| 01:22.30 | pipeline | warreng: it only goes out as far as testing |
| 01:22.33 | pipeline | warreng: unstable is always what it is |
| 01:22.46 | pipeline | warreng: And yes, there is already a name for what comes after etch, I think, but I don't know what it is. |
| 01:22.51 | pipeline | warreng: The names are planned rather far in advance |
| 01:23.15 | warreng | i'm just trying to figure out how this all works.... subversion 1.2 is in testing and 1.3 is in unstable... at what point will 1.3 go into testing? |
| 01:23.46 | pipeline | warreng: mmm, I'm not the one to ask about that. |
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| 01:24.01 | SlyChocobo | Hello :) |
| 01:24.08 | pipeline | warreng: Things make it out of unstable based on when they have certain bugs filed or not filed against them, and based upon when their dependencies make it into testing. |
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| 01:24.40 | pipeline | warreng: I wouldn't much worry about it, if I were you. If you intend to become a DD, you'll learn this kind of stuff later on in the process. If you don't intend to do so, well, you're fine just using stable or testing :P |
| 01:24.41 | SlyChocobo | Im curious, Does Debian have a "offical" myth-build? |
| 01:24.44 | SlyChocobo | in the..uh.. Deb..libary.. |
| 01:24.46 | SlyChocobo | thingy |
| 01:25.01 | lamby | SlyChocobo: repository? ;) |
| 01:25.03 | warreng | pipeline: see i *NEED* subversion 1.3.... but it's only in unstable |
| 01:25.05 | FabParma | i installed 2 different distro's, Debian and fc5, now grub dont see fc5, but its present. what to do? |
| 01:25.14 | pipeline | warreng: If you're on testing, you can get away with installing it |
| 01:25.16 | warreng | and i don't like the idea of compiling from source |
| 01:25.17 | SlyChocobo | Thanks lamby :) |
| 01:25.19 | pipeline | warreng: mixing testing and unstable is doable |
| 01:25.37 | pipeline | warreng: mixing stable and unstable, is, of course, verboten |
| 01:25.42 | warreng | so theoretically |
| 01:25.44 | pipeline | warreng: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 01:25.55 | warreng | if i had thousands of dollars and i hired the best debian sysadmin in the world... |
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| 01:26.07 | warreng | and said, "give me a stable debian with subversion 1.3" what would they do? |
| 01:26.28 | warreng | "stable" not referring to the actual tree but rather to the level of stability :) |
| 01:26.39 | lamby | warreng: install testing. |
| 01:26.44 | pipeline | warreng: In abstract, they would give you testing with the untsable svn installed on it. |
| 01:26.51 | FabParma | another information, i'd like that apt will search as well in the testing and unstable pacackages. How to do? |
| 01:27.05 | pipeline | warreng: If you wanted it on the stable tree itself, well, that IS possible. You can use the "source package" and accompanying build scripts to build yourself a package FOR stable FROM unstable :P |
| 01:27.17 | SlyChocobo | How do you change from stable, to unstable? |
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| 01:28.11 | pipeline | SlyChocobo: If you have to ask, you don't. |
| 01:28.11 | thingfish | right now you don't, with locales broken. |
| 01:28.11 | warreng | SlyChocobo: change your sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 01:28.12 | pipeline | warreng: in general, "testing" is a safe bet. |
| 01:28.12 | magyar | i am trying to install "locales" on my sid system but i get http://pastebin.com/686102. Can anyone help a brother? |
| 01:28.12 | SlyChocobo | Yea, but to what warreng, I changed it from "stable" to "unstable" but it just wont download now |
| 01:28.12 | pipeline | warreng: Individual things in "testing" break, but testing doesn't ever break /catastrophically/ |
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| 01:28.17 | warreng | gotcha |
| 01:28.24 | SlyChocobo | All I realy want is a mythTV package |
| 01:28.35 | warreng | can i go from unstable back to testing? |
| 01:28.55 | Coweater | no |
| 01:29.20 | thingfish | magyar: see http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 01:29.24 | thingfish | magyar: got me too. |
| 01:29.36 | pipeline | warreng: It's important to keep in mind that any given snopshot of "Unstable" has had about as much QA work put into it as any given *release* of Fedora Core. |
| 01:29.46 | warreng | pipeline: haha |
| 01:29.50 | pipeline | warreng: Unstable IS very unstable. And it's STILL vastly more predictable than most other linux distributions. |
| 01:29.56 | yetistomps | what's the difference between apt-get install jedit and apt-get source jedit? |
| 01:30.00 | pipeline | warreng: Ok, FC was an unfair comparison. FC is explicitly a bleeding edge beta :P |
| 01:30.04 | warreng | pipeline: ubuntu makes the same claim |
| 01:30.15 | pipeline | warreng: Ubuntu forks Unstable every six months. |
| 01:30.28 | pipeline | warreng: You're getting unstable with stuff bolted onto hte side that's too unstable to make it into unstable :) |
| 01:30.43 | warreng | heh |
| 01:31.01 | lamby | yetistomps: apt-get install installs the binary version, while apt-get source downloads the source (it doesn't build it though) |
| 01:31.16 | SlyChocobo | So, no-one knows is Debian has a Mythtv package? |
| 01:31.21 | pipeline | warreng: The Canonical folks, a commercial group, feels confident enough in Sid that they fork it, bolt some bleeding-edge alphas onto the side, and pretend it's a useful product. |
| 01:31.33 | yetistomps | lamby, yeah.. i downloaded the binary but it wont run. Says something like memory out. |
| 01:31.38 | pipeline | SlyChocobo: They definitely do not. There are third party packages available, however, for sarge and etch. |
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| 01:31.43 | thingfish | pretend is right. ubuntu is a mess. |
| 01:31.47 | SlyChocobo | etch? |
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| 01:31.56 | yetistomps | lamby, where do sources get downloaded? so i can compile it? |
| 01:31.58 | pipeline | SlyChocobo: testing |
| 01:32.02 | strider | !mythtv |
| 01:32.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org. Packages can be found in <marillat>. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 01:32.11 | peppo | is there a way I can tell Debian not to clean /tmp on a reboot? I see /etc/init.d/bootclean controls it. |
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| 01:32.19 | SlyChocobo | !marillat |
| 01:32.20 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
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| 01:32.30 | pipeline | peppo: Well, you could remove the S??bootclean entries from the runlevels. |
| 01:32.31 | lamby | yetistomps: try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 01:32.44 | Halitherses | how can i search for duplicate rows in a openoffice calc document? |
| 01:32.45 | pipeline | peppo: install the sysv-rc-conf package to get a nice GUI interface to configuring runlevels. |
| 01:33.00 | peppo | pipeline, that'd hinder it from cleaning up /var/run and /var/lock... that sounds perilous |
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| 01:33.25 | pipeline | peppo: Well, /tmp is the same boat :) |
| 01:33.38 | pipeline | peppo: Some things in /tmp are explicitly intended not to survive, and startup scripts will flip the fuck out |
| 01:33.45 | peppo | damn |
| 01:33.59 | peppo | I've some precious stuff in /tmp and no place otherwise, and need to shut the computer off for the inght |
| 01:34.02 | peppo | s/inght/night |
| 01:34.08 | TaF | how do i know what repositories i want listed in synaptic? |
| 01:34.10 | warreng | peppo: don't keep precious stuff in /tmp then? |
| 01:34.11 | pipeline | peppo: Then move them OUT of /tmp ? |
| 01:34.27 | benplaut | is there anywhere i can find a netinstall disk of slink? the mirrors seem to have outgrown it |
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| 01:35.11 | De_Mon | is there any way to move local services OUT of /etc/services? i always have to re-add them when upgrading |
| 01:35.13 | peppo | warreng, pipeline, no space in other places. that's why it ended up in my over-sized (4,4GB) /tmp partition in the first place. |
| 01:35.15 | pipeline | benplaut: There may not have been a netinstall disk for slink. :P |
| 01:35.21 | benplaut | floppy... |
| 01:35.29 | benplaut | but i get your point >_> |
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| 01:35.40 | SlyChocobo | Is there something up with security.debian.org? |
| 01:35.50 | pipeline | benplaut: as far as ftping the rest of the distribution, I expect the normal boot floppies would work. That's before my time, though. |
| 01:35.56 | SlyChocobo | Wont connect to it for some unknown reason |
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| 01:36.15 | lamby | SlyChocobo: http works for me |
| 01:36.17 | warreng | peppo: play with fire and you'll get burnt :) |
| 01:36.32 | pipeline | benplaut: have you tried archive.debian.org ? |
| 01:36.32 | benplaut | pipeline: thanks |
| 01:36.33 | peppo | warreng, 213 had to regulate |
| 01:36.37 | benplaut | not yet |
| 01:36.40 | SlyChocobo | Hmm, Wonder why it wont work in debian.. |
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| 01:36.56 | SlyChocobo | Weird |
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| 01:37.13 | warreng | hrm... when upgrading to testing, apt-get says "The following packages have been kept back:" and lists a *BUNCH* |
| 01:37.18 | warreng | why doesn't it upgrade all of 'em? |
| 01:37.22 | benplaut | ah, there it is |
| 01:37.23 | benplaut | thanks |
| 01:37.44 | pipeline | benplaut: Oh, it was really thaht simple? Go f'in figure. :P |
| 01:38.07 | pipeline | benplaut: What do you need slink for, anyway? libc4 compat? |
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| 01:38.56 | magyar | thingfish: i have debconf 2.0 |
| 01:39.03 | thingfish | warreng: did you do apt-get upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:39.10 | benplaut | pipeline: 80mhz 486, 8mb ram, 540mb hard drive, orinoco wifi :P |
| 01:39.21 | thingfish | magyar: from experimental? I don't know then. |
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| 01:39.38 | magyar | thingfish: sid |
| 01:39.38 | lamby | benplaut: woah awesome! 256 colours, right? |
| 01:39.46 | warreng | thingfish: just upgrade |
| 01:39.52 | thingfish | magyar: I tried all that in the wiki, too - to no avail. |
| 01:39.52 | gaixixon | help me to burn Debian .iso file plz.. |
| 01:40.02 | warreng | if i do dist-upgrade after upgrade, will that be okay? |
| 01:40.04 | thingfish | warreng: do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:40.04 | magyar | thingfish: bahh |
| 01:40.05 | benplaut | lamby: yup... 640x480 :) |
| 01:40.06 | warreng | (i assume so) |
| 01:40.17 | magyar | thingfish: its good to know am not alone |
| 01:40.23 | pipeline | benplaut: hahah, orinoco won't work on a kernel that old. |
| 01:40.29 | pipeline | benplaut: woody! |
| 01:40.38 | pipeline | benplaut: hell, sarge will work, even if the installer won't. |
| 01:40.46 | pipeline | benplaut: pull the drive and use debootstrap to get sarge on it. |
| 01:40.52 | gaixixon | i 've downloaded debian iso by wajig, by ftp, by bittorent.. and then Checksum.. the downloaded image is okay. |
| 01:40.58 | thingfish | magyar: heh I've been doing sarge since it was released, and now the day I decide to try sid out - wham! |
| 01:41.00 | lamby | aww man I still have my potato CD lying around :) |
| 01:41.03 | gaixixon | but when I burn to cd, it can not boot.. |
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| 01:41.11 | pipeline | thingfish: you poor guy ;) |
| 01:41.13 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:41.35 | SlyChocobo | So, if I want to update to Sarge.. |
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| 01:41.43 | Azar | my box is running Debian wargetch |
| 01:41.54 | SlyChocobo | I edit my /etc/sources and change "stable main" to "Sarge main" |
| 01:41.55 | warreng | thingfish: ahh.. dist-upgrade.. that's what i wanted.. thanks |
| 01:41.57 | magyar | thingfish: sid was swee sense february, no problems at all, than puff, xorg7 and all is fscked |
| 01:42.05 | benplaut | pipeline: so it can run with sarge, just not install with the horrid ram? |
| 01:42.40 | thingfish | magyar: I'll just wait a week or two and try again. |
| 01:42.51 | Azar | one of my main apt sources will not recognize "etch" will only go for "testing" |
| 01:43.18 | SlyChocobo | I've tried that, I dont think its working |
| 01:43.21 | Marticus | how can one run a script when dhcp receives a new ip address? |
| 01:43.24 | SlyChocobo | It shows up as a "Hit" when I run apt-update |
| 01:43.28 | Marticus | automagically |
| 01:43.32 | SlyChocobo | But it doesnet actuly download any new packages |
| 01:43.37 | marcrosoft | is there a way to find out what the last page you were was? |
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| 01:43.44 | marcrosoft | opps wrong place |
| 01:43.53 | SlyChocobo | Im not sure what I've done wrong |
| 01:43.56 | pipeline | benplaut: I'm pretty damn sure 2.4 will boot in 8M. |
| 01:44.06 | benplaut | cool |
| 01:44.11 | minerale | where is the debian amd64 room? |
| 01:44.18 | pipeline | benplaut: worst comes to worst, you have to build your own kernel, in order to avoid the debian initrd. |
| 01:44.23 | Marticus | nevermind |
| 01:44.33 | pipeline | benplaut: at any rate, there's no reason to run slink :\ |
| 01:44.43 | thingfish | minerale: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:44.47 | pipeline | benplaut: slink fucking sucked in 8M, just as much as sarge will :P |
| 01:44.55 | benplaut | mm |
| 01:45.06 | JaketheHun | Quick question, I tar my webroot and then download it as back up. The directory is /var/www/html I would do a 'tar -cvf /var/www/html html.tar'. I just wnated to double check before I messed things up. |
| 01:45.27 | Azar | SlyChocobo: because sarge is stable and stable is sarge. |
| 01:45.42 | SlyChocobo | Oh, I thought Woody was stable |
| 01:45.54 | thingfish | woody is kaput |
| 01:45.56 | benplaut | hmm |
| 01:45.59 | thingfish | well almost. |
| 01:45.59 | magyar | thingfish: do a "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" problem soved |
| 01:46.03 | magyar | solved |
| 01:46.05 | SlyChocobo | Okay.. so what is Unstable now then |
| 01:46.19 | benplaut | it appears to plug into a pcmcia slot 0_o |
| 01:46.23 | Azar | SlyChocobo: woody is the old stable. If you kept the "stable" in your sources and updated/upgraded you now use mostly sarge |
| 01:46.25 | lamby | JaketheHun: put the tar name first? you can't mess anything up, don't worry. |
| 01:46.36 | thingfish | magyar: oh neat. maybe tomorrow - I'm back on sarge now. |
| 01:46.39 | lamby | JaketheHun: not on -c(reation) |
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| 01:46.53 | magyar | thingfish: np |
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| 01:47.10 | Azar | SlyChocobo: woody - Old Stable ; sarge = new stable; etch = testing (future stable); sid = unstable (forever) |
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| 01:47.30 | SlyChocobo | Ah, I thought it went Stable / Unstable / Testing |
| 01:47.53 | JaketheHun | so to recap I would do a 'tar -cvf html.tar /var/www/html. if the directory I were backing up were /var/www/html..correct |
| 01:48.25 | Azar | good day mr mhall |
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| 01:48.40 | Marticus | other than install ddclient, which does not support ssl, is there a way to tie in running of a script after an ip has been obtained by the dhcp3 client |
| 01:48.48 | lamby | JaketheHun: yep :) |
| 01:49.33 | yetistomps | lamby, i found out what the problem was. I didn't compile jedit but I found out that it needed j2re1.4 from the compiling instructions. I then downloaded the binary and voila.. it works. |
| 01:49.34 | lamby | Marticus: i think you can put something in /etc/network/interfaces ... post-ip <command> or something. |
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| 01:49.50 | Marticus | sweet |
| 01:49.52 | Marticus | thanks lamby |
| 01:49.58 | lamby | Marticus: np |
| 01:50.35 | lamby | yetistomps: hurrah! are you using the debian jedit package? (is there even one?:)) |
| 01:50.43 | Marticus | lamby: post-up seems to be the only thing |
| 01:50.55 | Marticus | which runs when the interface goes in up state |
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| 01:51.32 | yetistomps | lamby, yes. there is. :-) |
| 01:51.55 | nse | the following line "/dev/hda2 /home ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 1 2" in /etc/fstab is not mounting my second partition in /home properly. after the boot the partition is mounted but when i try to cd to home i get input/ouput errors, what cam be causing this? |
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| 01:52.24 | yetistomps | lamby, i like jedit so far. But i need to read the 138 pgs of jedit-how-to-use pdf. |
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| 01:52.54 | Marticus | lamby: also, /etc/network/if-<whatever>.d/ can include scripts which are automatically run |
| 01:53.15 | Marticus | lamby: I think what I need might actually be tied to the dhcp client itself |
| 01:53.43 | Marticus | unless post-up is called for each successful ip retrieval |
| 01:53.58 | Marticus | s/retrieval/lease/ |
| 01:54.43 | lamby | Marticus: i'm not sure it is--if you can, try setting the lease time to 30 seconds and spy on the scripts :) |
| 01:54.54 | Marticus | good point |
| 01:55.08 | TraceGreen | Hello, /usr is read-only, even i use root, why? |
| 01:56.13 | lamby | TraceGreen: are you sure? not on my sarge. what are you trying to do? |
| 01:57.11 | TraceGreen | lamby, It is not my system. I don't know why. I am sure. |
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| 01:57.38 | lamby | TraceGreen: su => cd /usr => touch hello gives me no error |
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| 01:57.54 | Marticus | lamby: it doesn't look like the dhclient-script supports what I need without changing it |
| 01:58.10 | Marticus | which dhcp client is best to use in sarge? |
| 01:58.21 | TraceGreen | Marticus, i use pump |
| 01:58.56 | SlyChocobo | Okay, Um.. I need a way of testing my TV card |
| 01:59.02 | SlyChocobo | something like.. uh.. |
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| 01:59.38 | aredhel | TraceGreen, 1)some one set it up that way to keep things from being changed accidentally, or 2) there were errors on the drive and the kernel remonted it as read-only |
| 01:59.51 | SlyChocobo | what would be a good peice of software to test a card to see if its actuly working? |
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| 02:00.13 | lamby | SlyChocobo: DVB? try kaffeine |
| 02:00.19 | SlyChocobo | non Dvb |
| 02:00.22 | SlyChocobo | Im poor ^^ |
| 02:00.28 | SlyChocobo | RF :D |
| 02:00.28 | lamby | awwh :( |
| 02:00.36 | SlyChocobo | Well not yet anyway ^^ |
| 02:00.46 | SlyChocobo | Perhaps when myth is working.. and I know I can get a signal in here |
| 02:00.50 | DUMAiSO | how many isos I need to have a basic debian system with xfce? |
| 02:00.57 | pipeline | DUMAiSO: one |
| 02:02.04 | lamby | SlyChocobo: i remember reading something on the mythtv wiki about piping the output of some /dev/ file into mplayer .. that might be the trick. or are you looking to see whether it's actually being detected? |
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| 02:02.27 | TraceGreen | aredhel, do you mean kernel can mout /usr as read only? how can i reset it to rw? |
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| 02:02.46 | TraceGreen | aredhel, or, if I can set some config file to make /usr rw, how can i do that? |
| 02:03.13 | russoribas | what changed to make X11Forward on ssh? |
| 02:03.20 | lamby | TraceGreen: (as root) mount -o remount-rw /usr ? |
| 02:03.58 | nse | am i here? |
| 02:03.58 | lamby | TraceGreen: or look in /etc/fstab methinks |
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| 02:04.06 | Sly_boots | Freaking crappy Telewest |
| 02:04.08 | aredhel | TraceGreen, you may want to check the logs for disk errors first. |
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| 02:04.29 | Sly_boots | Anyway.. |
| 02:04.41 | TraceGreen | aredhel, oh, i think i know. |
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| 02:05.38 | ceplma | russoribas: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 02:06.20 | SlyChocobo | I ran lspci, It shows up as detected |
| 02:06.33 | SlyChocobo | "Brooktree Corp. Bt878 video Capture" |
| 02:06.44 | SlyChocobo | But, Is there a way to just see what its outputting? |
| 02:06.59 | SlyChocobo | Preferably a program that will be able to control the card :D |
| 02:07.11 | lamby | russoribas: you can also enable it per-session with the -X |
| 02:07.17 | Azar | SlyChocobo: what operating system are you using? |
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| 02:07.33 | leighm | hi there |
| 02:07.36 | SlyChocobo | Debian Stable |
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| 02:07.52 | ceplma | russoribas: no, to be able to use -X on client you have to have X11Forwarding yes |
| 02:07.53 | ceplma | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.02 | leighm | when i use debootstrap sarge d/ http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ but its defaulting to "testing" sources for sarge when i use base-config, is this normal? how can i set it to "stable" ? |
| 02:08.04 | Azar | SlyChocobo: then your card it is automatically recognized, don't worry |
| 02:08.16 | SlyChocobo | Its not working in Myth though |
| 02:08.28 | SlyChocobo | So I want to check it with a outside program :) |
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| 02:08.54 | orangey | hey all! |
| 02:08.55 | Azar | SlyChocobo: you are not to insert "outside programs" in Debian, |
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| 02:09.18 | orangey | does anybody know how to send an HTML file as an email? i.e., the html file is what the person sees if they have HTML enabled? |
| 02:09.18 | Azar | ... if you are running stable |
| 02:09.30 | SlyChocobo | ... I just mean a program that is not myth |
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| 02:09.49 | ceplma | orangey: what's your emailer? |
| 02:09.49 | Azar | SlyChocobo: use Debian packages , not outside programs |
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| 02:10.04 | orangey | ceplma: kmail, though I don't mind using whatever (so long as it's *nix) |
| 02:10.50 | ceplma | orangey: just send HTML as attachment to the otherwise empty mail. You can try to send such email mail yourself -- kmail should be able to show you perfectly how it will look somewhere else. |
| 02:11.17 | orangey | ceplma: OK, I'll try. thanks. |
| 02:11.36 | SlyChocobo | Well, Can you suggest any Deb packages |
| 02:11.47 | Azar | SlyChocobo: for what? |
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| 02:11.54 | orangey | ceplma: nope. just shows up as an attachment |
| 02:12.13 | SlyChocobo | To test the TV card |
| 02:12.14 | umeboshi | SlyChocobo, i suggest xawtv |
| 02:12.19 | russoribas | ceplma: it is everything ok !! but after installing the testing and a unstable from scratch ssh wont forward x11 |
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| 02:12.28 | ceplma | orangey: if you want something more sophisticated then you have to understand what is Content-Type: |
| 02:12.52 | eigenlambda | how to change the default python in debian to 2.4? |
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| 02:13.06 | orangey | ceplma: I don't want to telnet into the smtp and manually do it. Otherwise, just point me to any program that (somewhat easily) allows me to manipulate it, and I'm there. |
| 02:13.13 | ceplma | OK, try this on command line: cat page.html | mail myself |
| 02:13.39 | ceplma | orangey: get the result with kmail and what's the result? |
| 02:14.27 | SlyChocobo | Hmm.. Somethings wrong |
| 02:14.30 | orangey | $ mail / bash: mail: command not found / $ sudo apt-get install mail / E: Couldn't find package mail / $ |
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| 02:14.44 | SlyChocobo | Im only getting a signal in the top 1/3 of the xawtv software |
| 02:14.56 | ceplma | russoribas: it is switched off per default on Debian. You have to edit the file I indicated above manually (as root of course) and then restart sshd |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | mail should be provided by any of the smtp packages |
| 02:15.26 | umeboshi | SlyChocobo, that may just be pal/ntsc related |
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| 02:15.39 | SlyChocobo | Yea, but its a PAL card, and its set to PAL D: |
| 02:15.42 | ceplma | orangey: chelcicky:openssh-client$ dpkg -S `which mail` |
| 02:15.43 | ceplma | mailx: /usr/bin/mail |
| 02:15.58 | orangey | ceplma: good attempt, actually.. It does display the HTML, but I gather that the content-type is not set right.. |
| 02:16.09 | ceplma | what is it? |
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| 02:16.14 | abrotman | !find bin/mail sarge |
| 02:16.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (9 of 43): (/usr/bin/mailp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/sbin/mailq) in mail/ssmtp ;; (/usr/sbin/mailer) in admin/john ;; (/usr/bin/mailrm) in mail/masqmail ;; (/usr/bin/mailto) in mail/metamail ;; (/usr/sbin/mailsnarf) in net/dsniff ;; (/usr/bin/mail.local) in net/ktalkd ;; (/usr/bin/mailsync) in mail/mailsync ;; (/usr/bin/mailleds) in mail/mailleds. |
| 02:16.37 | abrotman | hehe .. bad search |
| 02:16.37 | umeboshi | SlyChocobo, no it's both pal/ntsc card the signal is what you decode for |
| 02:16.41 | orangey | ceplma: what is what? |
| 02:16.50 | orangey | I found mail.. and sent the message.. |
| 02:16.56 | orangey | moment while I man it |
| 02:17.03 | ceplma | Content-Type (key V in KMail) |
| 02:17.10 | SlyChocobo | The card only supports a PAL signal though |
| 02:17.14 | ceplma | (that's small v not capital one) |
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| 02:17.53 | orangey | ceplma: content type not set. |
| 02:17.58 | leighm | woody is "stable" right ? |
| 02:18.00 | orangey | ceplma: maybe I need to manually add it as a header |
| 02:18.14 | russoribas | q |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | leighm: no .. it's "oldstable" .. sarge is the current stable |
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| 02:19.39 | ceplma | orangey: chmmm, try to make temp file send to it "Content-Type: text/html\n" and then add (cat page.html >> $tempname) and then cat whole file $tempname to mail. |
| 02:20.04 | SlyChocobo | Dunno, Scantv is not detecting any stations, odd |
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| 02:20.46 | leighm | abrotman, wierd, when i debootstrap with sarge, it makes the new OS use the "testing" sources, which is completly not what i want |
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| 02:21.01 | leighm | abrotman, like when "base-config" runs thru all its stuff |
| 02:21.10 | leighm | the aprt where you configure the apt-sources |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | etch is the current testing |
| 02:21.27 | ceplma | orangey: tempfile=$(mktemp /tmp/$(basename $0)XXXXXX).eml; echo "Content-Type: text/html;\n" >$tempfile; cat mypage.html >>$tempfile; cat $tempfile | mail myself |
| 02:21.40 | Pkghsbnr | when i try to start up the computer, startx fails and says no screens found |
| 02:21.49 | ceplma | orangey: rm -f $tempfile, of course |
| 02:21.58 | leighm | abrotman: yeh i know, but im using " debootstrap sarge d/ http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/", then run base-config and it starts doing stuff from 'testing' |
| 02:22.06 | orangey | ceplma: almost works.. kmail recognizes that there is some weird content type, but still thinks it's not an HTML message.. |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | leighm: that's obviously not right |
| 02:22.32 | leighm | maybe because im chrooting ? |
| 02:22.51 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 02:22.56 | beef | I'm trying to set up a Debian firewall. I've put my firewall.sh script in /etc/network/if-up.d, and it's not being executed when I run "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1". I can, however, execute the script manually from the command line. Can anyone help me? |
| 02:23.05 | abrotman | leighm: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 02:23.15 | ceplma | orangey: is there a blank line between the headers (including Content-Type:) and HTML? |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | beef: man interfaces .. check pre-up .. or post-up |
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| 02:23.39 | orangey | ceplma: yep. It looks like the problem is that there's a blank line before content-type too |
| 02:24.04 | leighm | abrotman, debootstrap a new instance of debian stable/sarge |
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| 02:24.12 | leighm | abrotman, and then chroot to that install dirand run "base-config" |
| 02:24.15 | ceplma | orangey: paramter -a of mail command |
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| 02:24.40 | Baloo | I've used boot-floppies but I missed the question |
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| 02:24.45 | ceplma | orangey: cat webpage.html | mail -a "Content-Type: text/html" myself |
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| 02:25.00 | TaF | how do repositories work? |
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| 02:25.12 | ceplma | TaF: what do you mean? they work well ;-) |
| 02:25.13 | leighm | abrotman, which all works fine but base-config INSISTS on using "testing" sources |
| 02:25.17 | gravity | TaF: What do you mean exactly? |
| 02:25.26 | TaF | i have read the info pages on deb.org but they may as well be written in japanese |
| 02:25.32 | Baloo | TaF: Smarter question? |
| 02:25.32 | orangey | THAT worked! |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | leighm: what are the sources .. before you do that? |
| 02:25.40 | orangey | ceplma: but I am quite sure it violates some RFC : ) |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | TaF: kanichiwaa? |
| 02:26.01 | jsan | my friends where is possible to know repositories in debian where i find the last version about php ? |
| 02:26.07 | TaF | i deserve that and more but im serious, i cannot grasp how they work |
| 02:26.13 | ceplma | orangey: actually, if you have just 7bit webpage, it doesn't |
| 02:26.13 | TaF | i have been reading for hours |
| 02:26.18 | abrotman | jsan: depends on the version of debian |
| 02:26.25 | orangey | ceplma: great stuff, then : ) |
| 02:26.31 | jsan | sarg abrotman |
| 02:26.32 | ceplma | orangey: (of course, I don't know all RFCs, but it should be OK, really) |
| 02:26.35 | orangey | ceplma: any hints about adding a plaintext in there? |
| 02:26.57 | beef | abrotman: Checked "man interfaces". Says that executables in /etc/network/if-up.d should be run after the interface is established. Mine isn't run. Second line of the script (after #!/bin/sh) is "/bin/touch /tmp/foo". And /tmp/foo isn't being created when I do an ifup :( |
| 02:26.58 | gravity | TaF: They're just http or ftp sites that let you pull down files. They are organized in such a way that apt can find metadata about the packages and such |
| 02:27.14 | TaF | what i want to do seems simple enough, i want to list the best, newest repositories in synaptic because the way i understand it, that is how you get the newest software |
| 02:27.16 | leighm | abrotman, on my new debootstrap setup? |
| 02:27.22 | lamby | TaF: I think there was a recent article on debian-administration.org about running the latest verison of PHP |
| 02:27.23 | abrotman | beef: i've used pre-up and post-up in the interfaces directly |
| 02:27.32 | TaF | php? |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | !info php sarge |
| 02:27.44 | jsan | abrotman; I use Sarge |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | !info php4 sarge |
| 02:27.57 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 02:28.08 | kspath | !info php5 |
| 02:28.14 | ceplma | orangey: go get RFCs on MIME (that's ugly, I know) and man of mail; you may have to add little bash scripting (sed may be helpful), but it shouldn't be that complicated. Of course sendmail(8) (even, if you don't have real sendmail installed) should be helpful as well. |
| 02:28.15 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | kspath: only in etch/sid |
| 02:28.41 | orangey | ceplma: yikes. I think this week we'll leave it at this : ) Maybe next week! |
| 02:28.48 | TaF | i guess i thought there was some list of repositories some where that i could pick from and add to synaptic...is that not true? |
| 02:28.59 | nite613 | What's the name of a replacement passwd tool that enforces rules on the passwords? |
| 02:29.03 | TaF | are they endless? and if they are, how can i pick which ones are right for me? |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | you can use official sources .. or go outside that |
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| 02:29.16 | abrotman | nite613: there is no replacement |
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| 02:29.34 | abrotman | nite613: you can set that with pam |
| 02:29.46 | kspath | abrotman: Yeah, I notice people that like to ride the bloody edge of tech do not like to deal with brokeness. I found that odd since by definition it is new and likely buggy. |
| 02:29.53 | ceplma | orangey: what you are looking for is Multipart MIME messages (try to google on it) -- either Multipart/alternative or Multipart/mixed. |
| 02:30.02 | TaF | damnit, i have this awesome system and no idea how to use it |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | kspath: you don't say .. i just can't imagine :) |
| 02:30.10 | ceplma | orangey: no, I don't think it is *that* bad. |
| 02:30.25 | orangey | ceplma: still not worth it tonight : ) /me wants to SLEEP! : ) |
| 02:30.30 | orangey | it's 10:30, and I'm an oooold man! |
| 02:30.37 | nite613 | with pam, eh? |
| 02:30.39 | orangey | *cough*.. 25.. |
| 02:30.40 | nite613 | alrighty |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | orangey: you darn ESTer :) |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | erm .. maybe EDT |
| 02:30.55 | ceplma | orangey: that's understandable (what's your timezone?) |
| 02:30.57 | ceplma | :-) |
| 02:31.02 | lamby | orangey: try finding a html email in your inbox and copy what they've done? :) |
| 02:31.02 | kspath | orangey: I have toe nails older than you. |
| 02:31.10 | orangey | abrotman: hehehe.. I was AST until not too long ago.. |
| 02:31.24 | orangey | lamby: I was considering that, but it occurs to me I should do it The Right Way (tm) |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | .au ? |
| 02:31.36 | abrotman | oh .. newfoundland |
| 02:31.36 | orangey | ceplma: I'm EST - in Ontario, Canada |
| 02:31.50 | abrotman | maybe nova scotia |
| 02:31.53 | ceplma | TaF: netselect-apt |
| 02:31.54 | orangey | that's NST - New Foundland standard time. It's AST + 0.5 |
| 02:31.57 | TaF | is there such a thing as a standard list of repositories that i should have listed in synaptic? |
| 02:32.06 | TaF | thanx cepla |
| 02:32.11 | ceplma | orangey: other side of the border -- Cambridge, MA :-) Good night! |
| 02:32.13 | TaF | ceplma* |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | !tell TaF about mirrors |
| 02:32.17 | lamby | orangey: what's that? make a .deb for every email, sign it, send that via rsync, and then let them install it? |
| 02:32.24 | orangey | ceplma: i worked in hull for a short time.. |
| 02:32.36 | Stevie | what's that divert thing you use when a package has a file that conflicts with another package? |
| 02:32.40 | gravity | ceplma: You're just across the river from me :-) |
| 02:32.41 | ceplma | orangey: where's that? |
| 02:32.46 | orangey | lamby: what? |
| 02:33.05 | orangey | ceplma: outside boston somewhere. I don't remember it too well. it was ages ago when I was Young. |
| 02:33.25 | orangey | all I remember is people couldn't say "r" |
| 02:33.36 | abrotman | orangey: didn't you just say you were 25? |
| 02:33.46 | ceplma | gravity: I heard somewhere that in 1997 one fifth of all Internet traffic was in Sillicon Valley; it is probably largely different, but I guess that still huge share of IRC users are either there or here. |
| 02:33.51 | orangey | abrotman: I'm an old man with rheumatiz |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | orangey: i'm older than you |
| 02:34.07 | leighm | abrotman, |
| 02:34.08 | leighm | xen:/mnt/18701# debootstrap sarge . http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian |
| 02:34.08 | leighm | I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 02:34.08 | leighm | I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
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| 02:34.11 | abrotman | by at least a transformer generation :) |
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| 02:34.16 | leighm | woops |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | leighm: no pastey! |
| 02:34.25 | leighm | sorry :( |
| 02:34.34 | ceplma | hi, guys, is ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 02:34.35 | orangey | http://www.town.hull.ma.us/Public_Documents/index |
| 02:34.42 | orangey | man. I should have spent more time discovering that place. |
| 02:34.46 | gravity | heh |
| 02:34.47 | orangey | (instead of working). |
| 02:34.53 | leighm | abrotman, I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 02:34.56 | leighm | abrotman, doesnt quite look right... |
| 02:34.58 | orangey | but then again, aerial photos make everything look better.. |
| 02:35.05 | gunixu | does anyone know if vi has a search function |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | farkin sox |
| 02:35.16 | orangey | abrotman: I'm not saying you're NOT old. I'm saying I am too : ) |
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| 02:35.25 | abrotman | i fart dust? |
| 02:35.31 | kspath | gunixu: yes it does |
| 02:35.35 | ceplma | orangey: aaaah, Plymouth County. OK, I know where it is (roughly) |
| 02:35.42 | gunixu | kspath: care to share? |
| 02:35.52 | orangey | first time I ever logged into IRC was when I was 13 or 14. imagine how long ago that shit was.. you still had to telnet into IRC networks. |
| 02:35.57 | lamby | gunixu: /searchstring |
| 02:36.06 | leighm | orangey, bullshit re: telnet |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | orangey: remember gopher? :) |
| 02:36.19 | leighm | :P |
| 02:36.29 | ceplma | abrotman: sure; remember gophermail? |
| 02:36.45 | orangey | leighm: no bullshit at all.. Before mirc (and what came before that?) one had to telnet into servers running irc clients. |
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| 02:36.48 | abrotman | ceplma: i used to download DOS games from uminn gopher |
| 02:36.51 | orangey | abrotman: hell yeah! |
| 02:37.05 | kspath | gunixu: esc esc to make sure you are out of all modes /keyword |
| 02:37.07 | leighm | abrotman, deb http://debootstrap.invalid/ sarge main <-- in my sources (??) |
| 02:37.10 | ceplma | abrotman: ftp.simtel.net (even via ftpmail) |
| 02:37.13 | orangey | abrotman: I was the freakin' champ around the university (the only place with internet around) because I knew that you needed to set FTP type to 'binary' before downloading : ) |
| 02:37.13 | TaF | wow, dpkg gave me what i was looking for, thanx to whoever issued that .......this whole time ive just been looking for whats on those sites. sorry ive been such a pain |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | leighm: why not use the netinst |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:37.22 | kspath | gunixu: did you check man vi |
| 02:37.30 | Defty | there's no more (useful?) ftp search engines left or am I wrong? |
| 02:37.34 | abrotman | orangey: hehe |
| 02:37.43 | Defty | i mean, nothing's on ftp anymore .p |
| 02:37.47 | ceplma | orangey: :-) |
| 02:37.48 | leighm | abrotman, never thought of that |
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| 02:37.56 | abrotman | leighm: why not? |
| 02:37.57 | lamby | gunixu: also googling "vi search" would have got you the answer a lot quicker! :) |
| 02:38.09 | leighm | abrotman, well im installing to a LVM2 partition thats mounted |
| 02:38.15 | ceplma | Defty: except for that freaking ftp.us.debian.org which is down (except that it is HTTP as well, you are right) |
| 02:38.20 | leighm | abrotman, does netinst run the same way as debootstrap ? |
| 02:38.33 | kspath | gunixu: you can search in less the same way /keyword |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | leighm: hrm .. i think the netinst should be able to do that .. but i'd make a backup before doing it |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | leighm: there's also debtakeover |
| 02:39.15 | gunixu | kspath: thankyou. |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | !debtakeover |
| 02:39.43 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 02:39.52 | orangey | but now kids don't respect their elders.. it's gigahertz this and gigabyte me that.. back when I was a kid, we had to do our ciphers on an abacus, then sned the 256-bit public key down a can with some string. |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | whether or not it stil works .. i don't know |
| 02:40.31 | Defty | ceplma: it's however still the only way to search for _files_ on the web, or does google or similar do that? |
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| 02:40.56 | orangey | hahahaha : ) |
| 02:40.58 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: uh... ftp.us.debian.org is multiple machines; so try again. |
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| 02:41.31 | abrotman | be nice if they could remove the broken one though |
| 02:41.43 | beef | Defty: amule does a pretty good job of searching for files :-) |
| 02:41.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: true; usually that happens, but it'll take a while for dns to propogate anyway. |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i understand that .. but it seems to be a frequent problem |
| 02:42.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah... *shrug* |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | i don't know where that mirror is .. but there seems to be a persistantly broken one |
| 02:42.35 | kspath | abrotman: What is the TTL on those records? |
| 02:42.35 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: still not good -- probably something in DNS got stuck |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | kspath: dunno .. never bothered to check |
| 02:42.57 | dondelelcaro | kspath: 3600 |
| 02:43.05 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: uh... which server are you actually using? |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | that's pretty darn short |
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| 02:43.37 | Defty | beef: good point actually |
| 02:44.23 | Defty | the system is just maybe not so static as the web, so it didn't occur to em |
| 02:44.31 | Defty | (if you can call ftp part of the web.) |
| 02:44.31 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: 128.101.240.212 |
| 02:44.33 | beef | Defty: File sharing programs are the new ftp. |
| 02:44.41 | beef | Exactly. |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | ceplma: yeah .. that's been the broken one lately |
| 02:44.49 | kspath | abrotman: 10 minutes is short. 1 hour is not horrible though. |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | kspath: yes .. but it's been broken .. all day at least |
| 02:45.14 | ceplma | abrotman: talking about UMN ;-) |
| 02:45.20 | abrotman | ceplma: that is that IP ? |
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| 02:45.39 | ceplma | abrotman: debian-mirror.mirror.umn.edu |
| 02:45.41 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: the problem is on your end. |
| 02:45.49 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: I can access that mirror just fine from here |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was having problems with that IP earlier today |
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| 02:46.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: perhaps a broken route somewhere |
| 02:46.09 | dondelelcaro | could be |
| 02:46.35 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: I am on Verizon DSL so I don't have anything complicated here |
| 02:46.35 | abrotman | ceplma: are you on XO/algx ? |
| 02:46.46 | ceplma | abrotman: ??? |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | ceplma: XO or Allegiance |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | ceplma: that's who we have at work .. i wasn't getting a connection earlier today |
| 02:47.34 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: well, ping gives me 73ms as well, but aptitude gets 404 |
| 02:47.52 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: a 404 doesn't mean the mirror isn't functioning. |
| 02:47.53 | kspath | that IP works for me from SBC DSL in US |
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| 02:48.02 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: run aptitude update; again. |
| 02:48.25 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: that's ok |
| 02:48.31 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: now try to upgrade. |
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| 02:48.43 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever you're doing) |
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| 02:49.31 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=686222 |
| 02:50.11 | billybob | hey i made a script on one machine and sent it to another machine and when i try and run it it says permission denied. how do i fix this? |
| 02:50.14 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: and just to be sure -- set | grep proxy gives nothing |
| 02:50.26 | lamby | billybob: chmod +x scriptname |
| 02:50.26 | ceplma | billybob: chmod +x script |
| 02:50.29 | De_Mon | can I get a package list and the ammount of disk space used by the package? |
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| 02:50.33 | abrotman | billybob: ls -l <script> |
| 02:50.44 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: that mirror probably hasn't finished syncing yet. Not really a big deal. |
| 02:50.56 | billybob | thanks |
| 02:51.11 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: run aptitude a few times until it picks a different mirror and downloads all the packages, or wait an hour or so. |
| 02:51.15 | abrotman | De_Mon: apt-cache show package .. to get the disk space used |
| 02:51.35 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: I don't care -- you can see that there is nothing terribly important |
| 02:51.46 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: *shrug* |
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| 02:52.16 | dondelelcaro | in any case, there's nothing wrong with the mirrors; they just haven't finished syncing themselves. |
| 02:52.25 | De_Mon | for i in `dpkg -l |cut -f 3 -d\ `;do apt-cache show package|grep -e Package -e Size;done |
| 02:52.44 | dondelelcaro | (if this annoys you, pick a single mirror that only updates the Packages files at the last step) |
| 02:52.45 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: whatever, what I was meaning was that it didn't work for me |
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| 02:53.17 | ceplma | De_Mon: or use aptitude, which shows it as well. |
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| 02:54.04 | stallaone | when i do a dist-upgrade, 2 packages were held back. under what circumstances are packages held back? |
| 02:54.23 | dondelelcaro | stallaone: they can't be installed, because packages they depend on aren't available |
| 02:54.25 | ceplma | stallaone: apt-get or aptitude |
| 02:54.35 | dondelelcaro | stallaone: if you want to know why, use aptitude, and step through the dependencies. |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | or apt-get install <pkg> .. it may remove packages |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | or aptitude install <pkg> |
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| 02:55.38 | tiasrr | hi there |
| 02:56.05 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:56.20 | wiston | hi |
| 02:56.24 | Serinity | Just tried amarok.... Even under windows i never seen a software crashing so much |
| 02:56.33 | abrotman | yay kde? |
| 02:56.37 | Stevie | Serinity: haha |
| 02:56.41 | stallaone | isn't strange that all packages except 2 has dependencies problem? stranger still is that one of the packages is an application i am using. |
| 02:56.56 | wiston | I like amarok |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | stallaone: one would assume you're using testing or unstable .. |
| 02:57.10 | stallaone | right, i am using testing. |
| 02:57.13 | Serinity | Allright, i remove it and get back to xmms |
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| 02:57.41 | abrotman | stallaone: you can resolve it by installing that package directly .. but it may remove other packages |
| 02:58.10 | tiasrr | i was playing with some suse packages and alien and now i'm unable to remove them. I have tried "dpkg -r" and "dpkg --force-all -r" but the didn't help. Every time i'm getting this: "underprocess post-removal script has returned error code 1". so... my question is: how can i remove that package? |
| 02:58.17 | stallaone | can i use synaptic instead of aptitude to check on dependencies? |
| 02:58.19 | ceplma | stallaone: what are the packages? |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | stallaone: you can |
| 02:58.51 | shogunx | tiasrr dpkg -L the packages and remove the files manually. |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | or find the root cause of the error .. and fix that |
| 02:59.05 | stallaone | ceplma: gkrellm gnome-system-monitor. gkrellm is an app i am currently using. |
| 02:59.09 | tiasrr | ohhh.... is it the only way? :( |
| 02:59.18 | abrotman | tiasrr: what's the actual error ? |
| 02:59.31 | shogunx | dpkg -L packagename | xargs rm |
| 02:59.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename | xargs rm |
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| 02:59.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | that won't actually remove the package .. jsut the files |
| 03:00.00 | tiasrr | underprocess post-removal script has returned error code 1 |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | nothing above that ? |
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| 03:00.54 | tiasrr | ERROR: SuSEConfig or requested suseconfig module not present! |
| 03:00.55 | shogunx | abrotman all that is left is the status entry, tho, eh? |
| 03:01.01 | huhlig-Laptop | hi hi |
| 03:01.09 | ceplma | stallaone: weird, gkrellm doesn't seem to have any problems -- it is probably more complicated. Try it in aptitude (I have no idea how synaptics works -- being KDE guy). |
| 03:01.31 | abrotman | shogunx: i suppose .. you could tell dpkg it wasn't installed .. but there should be a "better" way |
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| 03:02.09 | shogunx | abrotman what like delsusepackages -a? |
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| 03:02.20 | DUMAiSO | how many isos I need to have a basic debian system with xfce? |
| 03:02.34 | abrotman | shogunx: no .. you can echo a status to dpkg to tell it stuff isn't really there |
| 03:02.37 | kspath | DUMAiSO: 10^12 |
| 03:02.40 | dondelelcaro | DUMAiSO: probably the first 2; 1 if it's a DVD. |
| 03:02.50 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 03:02.50 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 03:02.53 | dondelelcaro | DUMAiSO: ^^^ |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | or use the netinst .. get it from broadband |
| 03:03.01 | shogunx | abrotman, true, |
| 03:03.18 | tiasrr | so there is no way i can remove alien package with dpkg? |
| 03:03.19 | stew | hrm i need to update my cd index for r2 |
| 03:03.41 | ceplma | tiasrr: aptitude? |
| 03:03.55 | tiasrr | aptitude == dpkg |
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| 03:04.48 | michal_ | is there any tool available in debian whose purpose is to filter a text file with html ampersands, apostrophe's, etc to a text file with real ampersands and apostrophe's (and no other modifications) |
| 03:04.50 | michal_ | ? |
| 03:05.00 | ceplma | tiasrr: sorry, I was not taking attention to the previous conversation -- what are "alien packages"? |
| 03:05.16 | ceplma | michal_: lynx -dump |
| 03:05.20 | tiasrr | suse package convertet to .deb |
| 03:05.27 | ceplma | michal_: (or links -dump if you need tables) |
| 03:05.36 | michal_ | ceplma: and lynx -dump is liable to work on an xml file? :/ |
| 03:05.51 | lamby | michal_: you could also use a text-replace program like sed or a perl oneliner |
| 03:05.52 | ceplma | michal_: lynx -force_html -dump |
| 03:05.58 | shogunx | michal_ you could make a small sed script for that also. |
| 03:06.00 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I have debian etch, I'm trying to upgrade all my debian pkgs, but I receive this error: "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/X11-common_6.9.0.dsfg.1-6_all.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/include/X11', that is too in the package libxft-dev",....... And the installation stops, how can I solve it? |
| 03:06.23 | gravity | SonnyBurnett: Remove libxft-dev |
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| 03:06.25 | abrotman | !tell SonnyBurnett about overwrite |
| 03:06.27 | michal_ | i know i can do it with regular expressions but it just seemed like such a program/script must already exist in debian |
| 03:06.30 | gravity | SonnyBurnett: That bug has been fixed in unstable |
| 03:06.30 | tilrman | michal_: maybe look for html::entity perl |
| 03:06.32 | michal_ | there's so many packages :/ |
| 03:06.45 | abrotman | or obey gravity .. he is far wiser than me! |
| 03:06.53 | shogunx | SonnyBurnett mkdir /tmp/Xbin && mv /usr/X11R6/bin/* /tmp/Xbin && apt-get -f install |
| 03:07.19 | abrotman | or than i |
| 03:07.25 | gravity | shogunx: That's a totally different bug |
| 03:07.37 | shogunx | gravity, oh, my bad. |
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| 03:07.52 | gravity | The xft-dev bug is an actual bug |
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| 03:08.09 | lamby | gravity: bugs?! in debian?! :) |
| 03:08.11 | gravity | The other is a transition issue :-) |
| 03:08.25 | ceplma | michal_: there is certainly some package which can do that, but who should search through all those packages ;-) |
| 03:08.48 | DUMAiSO | dondelelcaro, no... i'm download CD isos |
| 03:09.15 | stallaone | installed the 2 packages. they are of higher version than the previous ones. |
| 03:09.19 | DUMAiSO | dondelelcaro, thanks for the tip |
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| 03:09.44 | michal_ | ceplma: hopefully no one. i was hopein someone already knew of such a package :P |
| 03:10.35 | stallaone | what does it take to create webpage like those in the news media where there are text, images, videos and forms for input? |
| 03:10.54 | leighm | fuck |
| 03:10.59 | leighm | what the fuck is forcing this debootstrap into testing |
| 03:11.04 | leighm | when im specifying sarge damnit |
| 03:11.52 | tiasrr | ok... maybe i will try to ask in other way... How can i force dpkg to remove package? |
| 03:12.27 | leighm | --force=all |
| 03:12.37 | tiasrr | yeah? and any other ways? |
| 03:12.50 | tilrman | michal_: libhtml-parser-perl: /usr/lib/perl5/HTML/Entities.pm |
| 03:12.56 | tiasrr | that one doesn't work for me :( |
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| 03:13.14 | michal_ | do the html ampersands and other symbols have a particular name? |
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| 03:13.42 | tilrman | character entities, i think |
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| 03:14.05 | michal_ | hmm. i wonder if that's what everyone calls them :P |
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| 03:14.56 | michal_ | http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/entities/special.html |
| 03:15.00 | leighm | why the fuck is apt-setup defaulting to testing |
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| 03:15.39 | stallaone | what tools are there in debian 'testing' to create webpage like those in the news media where there are text, images, videos and forms for input? |
| 03:16.30 | ryan` | OMFG, a fedex delivery person seems to have delivered a hard drive I ordered by THROWING it over the fence around my porch. |
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| 03:17.51 | stallaone | ryan`: u have ur drive delivered to u at flying speed. |
| 03:17.57 | Stevie | !u |
| 03:17.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:18.00 | Stevie | !ur |
| 03:18.00 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 03:18.52 | stallaone | Stevie: Fuck is a town i a country, i can't remember which. |
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| 03:20.10 | Stevie | stal: What does that have to do with your inability to spell 'you' or 'your'? |
| 03:20.31 | Stevie | oh, he left |
| 03:20.31 | pilgrim | Hi. In order for exim to receive email for the domain exmaple.com and example.net , do both of these domains have to be listed in dc_other_hostnames ? |
| 03:20.40 | Stevie | yes |
| 03:20.58 | pilgrim | StereoSkit, thank you (if that was meant for me) |
| 03:20.58 | Stevie | (I just happened to have to learn this sort of thing very recently) |
| 03:21.04 | leighm | why the fuck is apt-setup defaulting to testing |
| 03:21.05 | pilgrim | Stevie, ^^ |
| 03:21.12 | Stevie | that was in fact meant for you |
| 03:21.23 | pilgrim | Stevie, thanks :) |
| 03:21.24 | Stevie | and the syntax is "example.com : example.net" |
| 03:21.43 | pilgrim | Stevie, thanks even more :) |
| 03:21.54 | Stevie | for (pardon the term) example: |
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| 03:21.56 | Stevie | dc_other_hostnames='klozoff.org:pieria.klozoff.org:pieria.lan:pieria' |
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| 03:22.26 | pilgrim | StereoSkit, ok. cool :D |
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| 03:22.56 | leighm | why the fuck is apt-setup defaulting to testing |
| 03:22.58 | leighm | ???? |
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| 03:23.23 | Stevie | leighm: what should it default to? |
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| 03:23.36 | Stevie | sid? |
| 03:24.07 | leighm | StereoSkit, im using debootstrap for sarge, when i run apt-setup it's putting "testing" into the sources, but testing is not sarge |
| 03:24.12 | leighm | Stevie, , im using debootstrap for sarge, when i run apt-setup it's putting "testing" into the sources, but testing is not sarge |
| 03:24.14 | umeboshi | tiasrr, my method is to fix the postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/'packagename'.postrm (put exit 0 at the top if you have to) |
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| 03:24.45 | leighm | Stevie, and i have noooo idea |
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| 03:27.22 | pilgrim | Anyone know how I would change the mailbox style in exim? I want mail to be stored in /var/spool/mail and now it's being stored in ~/mbox. |
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| 03:28.56 | leighm | deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ testing main |
| 03:28.56 | leighm | deb-src http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ testing main |
| 03:29.02 | leighm | why the fuck is apt-setup putting fucking testing sources in there |
| 03:29.10 | leighm | there is nothing on here that indicates its a testing/unstable system |
| 03:29.16 | leighm | this is entirely debootstrapped from sarge |
| 03:29.30 | Azar | leighm: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a paster |
| 03:29.57 | leighm | Azar, it's not related tot hat, that is what is getting populated with testing |
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| 03:30.06 | leighm | Azar, at the time the system runs base-config there is no sources.list |
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| 03:30.15 | leighm | Azar, the whole point is that apt-setup is writing to sources.list with "testing" |
| 03:30.16 | Azar | leighm: because you put "testing" in your sources |
| 03:30.20 | leighm | Azar, no its not |
| 03:30.29 | leighm | Azar, *there is no sources.list* when apt-setup runs |
| 03:30.33 | Azar | try / stable main |
| 03:30.42 | leighm | try where? |
| 03:30.48 | leighm | deboostrap . man ? |
| 03:30.49 | Azar | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:30.50 | leighm | deboostrap . main ? |
| 03:31.06 | leighm | Azar, *there is no sources.list* when apt-setup runs, apt-setup is installing testing sources INTO sources.list when base-config runs |
| 03:31.13 | Azar | change / testing main with / stable main |
| 03:31.25 | leighm | i dont want to put a bandaid on the problem |
| 03:31.27 | Azar | ok you can manually change it |
| 03:31.35 | leighm | i want to know why baseconfig and apt-setup are installing the wrong sources |
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| 03:31.50 | leighm | this is for an automated deployment of a XEN virtual instance |
| 03:31.56 | leighm | it needs to work CORRECTLY |
| 03:32.25 | billybob | hey, make is saying no targets specified and no makefile found when i try and run it but there is a makefile.am and .in ... i'm trying to install gtkmm-2.8.3 |
| 03:32.38 | billybob | what am i doing wrong? |
| 03:32.53 | leighm | billybob, try ./configure ? |
| 03:33.12 | billybob | leighm, i did that... |
| 03:33.28 | leighm | and ? |
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| 03:33.36 | billybob | nothign |
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| 03:33.43 | billybob | it ran but same problem |
| 03:34.13 | bonez39 | how do I set my grub so that a specific kernel loads? currently the wrong one defaults..and if I have to reboot it remotely....I am screwed.... |
| 03:34.21 | leighm | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:34.21 | leighm | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:34.23 | Azar | apt-whatever will allways give you what you have set in /sources.list |
| 03:34.24 | leighm | what casues this error? |
| 03:34.30 | leighm | Azar, you miss the point |
| 03:34.37 | leighm | Azar, *there is no sources.list* when apt-setup runs, apt-setup is installing testing sources INTO sources.list when base-config runs |
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| 03:35.07 | billybob | bonez39, go to your menu.lst and put the one u want at the top... i think that should do it |
| 03:35.18 | Azar | leighm: thats really ugly. I never installed sarge so I would not know. I start with woody > then sarge upgrade |
| 03:35.27 | billybob | bonez39, it might be in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:35.35 | bonez39 | billybob, here's the rub....the one I want at the top, doesn't even appear in menu.lst....it's not in there, only on the boot screen at boot up time... |
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| 03:35.51 | blujay | leighm: hold on, I encountered this bug... |
| 03:36.00 | bonez39 | billybob, that's the one..../boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:36.16 | leighm | blujay, yeh its REALLy shit |
| 03:36.24 | leighm | blujay, do you remember what/where/how ? |
| 03:36.25 | blujay | leighm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363644 |
| 03:36.33 | billybob | bonez39, look for a differnt /grub/menu.lst? |
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| 03:36.46 | tim_flatus | Heh, I always reckon it's going to be a good day when you've answered your emails before dawn. ;) |
| 03:37.00 | bonez39 | billybob, I'll take a look..but I think that's my only /menu.lst |
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| 03:37.24 | blujay | tim_flatus: could it really be that good of a day if you get up that early? =) |
| 03:37.48 | shogunx | blujay i think he meant so you can go to bed before the sun rises. |
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| 03:38.09 | blujay | shogunx: ah, of course :) |
| 03:39.08 | tim_flatus | blujay, It's always good if you get up THIS early!-) |
| 03:39.14 | blujay | tim_flatus: haha |
| 03:40.37 | leighm | xen:~# chroot /mnt/18701 dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.0.2_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.4.1_i386.deb |
| 03:40.37 | leighm | dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument |
| 03:40.37 | leighm | xen:~# |
| 03:40.50 | blujay | leighm: did that help fix the locales problem? |
| 03:40.57 | leighm | Azar, looks like debootstrap is broken for woody, great |
| 03:41.01 | leighm | blujay, yeh i just rm -rf'ed it |
| 03:41.14 | blujay | leighm: you rm'ed what exactly? |
| 03:41.19 | Azar | leighm: I use the CD... |
| 03:41.23 | leighm | blujay, the setup i working from |
| 03:41.33 | blujay | leighm: I mean, you rm'ed what files? |
| 03:41.34 | shogunx | leighm woody? |
| 03:41.36 | leighm | Azar, again you miss my point, i am using debootstrap to intialize a new XEN virtual instance |
| 03:41.37 | pilgrim | Is the same port used to receive and send mail (i.e. 25) ? |
| 03:41.56 | leighm | pilgrim, yes |
| 03:42.21 | pilgrim | leighm, thanks. |
| 03:43.21 | leighm | mysql:/# cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:43.21 | leighm | deb http://debootstrap.invalid/ woody main |
| 03:43.25 | leighm | ???/// |
| 03:43.57 | blujay | leighm: I know you're busy with another bug, but it might help us figure out the locales bug if you could tell me what files you rm'ed that seemed to fix it |
| 03:44.18 | leighm | blujay, i rm-rf the whole installation as im using debootstrap |
| 03:44.24 | blujay | leighm: oh |
| 03:44.35 | blujay | leighm: ok, well, if you get it again, please let me know if I'm still here |
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| 03:46.16 | Marudubshinki | So, it was suggested to me by dondelelcaro that if a particular dependency bug in the w3m-el package was really bothering me, that I fix it. Well, I've finally got the w3m-el package the way I want, with the dependency problem fixed, and I've tested the .deb on my system and it seems to be working. Now, should I email it to the maintainer or should I look for another maintainer to do a non-maintainer upload thingy? |
| 03:46.55 | asg | Marudubshinki: email your unified diff against the src package as an attachment to the bug you filed |
| 03:47.04 | Marudubshinki | asg: right. |
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| 03:48.52 | pilgrim | Does exim4 use /etc/hosts at all? Specifically does /etc/hosts have to match dc_other_hostnames in exim config files? |
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| 03:49.57 | sigma957 | I tried to upgrade to xorg 7. I did everything the xorg69to7 page said, but I'm still getting font errors. ran dpkg-reconfigure, all the fonts and updated fonts.alias. any suggestions? |
| 03:50.13 | gravity | sigma957: What are your font paths? |
| 03:50.19 | gravity | sigma957: In /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:50.57 | De_Mon | wtf etch's 'uniq' no longer supports the -t SEPerator option |
| 03:51.23 | sigma957 | they are /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, 75dpi, etc. they are correct. I keep getting a 'refcount is 2, should be 1' error |
| 03:52.15 | sigma957 | I've got the most recent packages, just did it tonight, everything is upgraded |
| 03:52.21 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:52.31 | gravity | What's giving you that error? |
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| 03:54.03 | sigma957 | error is from FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/" then the refcount error |
| 03:54.18 | gravity | sigma957: Is that from the X server? |
| 03:55.13 | sigma957 | well it shows a few can't init font paths, then this. I'm running startx |
| 03:55.30 | gravity | sigma957: Can you post your xorg.conf? |
| 03:55.38 | gravity | In a paster or something? |
| 03:55.46 | pilgrim | Stevie, can you help me out with that question ( ^^^) |
| 03:56.06 | gravity | I don't know where the refcount thing is, but I can search I guess |
| 03:56.30 | sigma957 | hmm.. I'm in consoles, I can't copy, or at least I don't know how. I googled that error but not much help |
| 03:56.50 | gravity | I can try and dig around for it... |
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| 03:56.59 | Azar | sigma957: highlight with mouse, paste with middle button |
| 03:57.21 | sigma957 | Azar: mouse doesn't work, at least not in my consoles |
| 03:57.51 | sigma957 | everything looks just fine, that's what bugs me |
| 03:58.12 | Azar | sigma957: so I tought too at the beginning there is no copy/paste menu just highlight and middle button click |
| 03:58.22 | sigma957 | that same error shows in my Xorg log file |
| 03:58.47 | michal_ | in what file can i configure wheher roo can lo in at a virtual console? |
| 03:58.52 | michal_ | whether |
| 03:59.43 | michal_ | i havn't been able to find anythin about via google |
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| 04:00.08 | cleit0n | hi.. i'm tryng install kbfx in debian but i do: ./configure do this error: configure: error: cannot find sources (acinclude.m4) in . or .. |
| 04:01.22 | cat | cleit0n: did you make sure the source has it's m4? |
| 04:01.44 | cleit0n | cat: what is m4? |
| 04:02.11 | cat | !tell cleit0n about m4 |
| 04:02.45 | sigma957 | ooh! |
| 04:03.10 | gravity | sigma957: Er... that error shouldn't cause the server not to start |
| 04:03.17 | michal_ | worked it ou |
| 04:03.22 | gravity | It should say "fixing" at the end of that line |
| 04:03.22 | michal_ | it's /etc/securetty |
| 04:03.51 | sigma957 | it does say fixing. then it dumps me back to console |
| 04:04.02 | sigma957 | there is nothing else in the logs |
| 04:04.03 | gravity | hrm |
| 04:04.13 | cleit0n | cat: here is debian etch...i dont know m4... how i do? |
| 04:04.21 | litage | in the apache2 directory structure, what's the difference between conf.d/ and sites-available/ ? |
| 04:04.33 | johnsu01 | sigma957: I see that same error, but it doesn't stop my server from starting. |
| 04:04.40 | gravity | sigma957: Do me a favor, try removing the "Files" section of your xorg.conf completely. Just commenting it out is probably best. |
| 04:05.34 | sigma957 | gravity: i'm going to reboot and see what happens. thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that if it doesn't work. |
| 04:05.48 | gravity | sigma957: Wait! |
| 04:05.52 | sigma957 | ok |
| 04:05.53 | gravity | sigma957: Why are you rebooting? |
| 04:06.23 | sigma957 | I usually login through xdm, which didn't come up. I want to see if that makes a difference |
| 04:06.37 | gravity | sigma957: Dude, just run startx. If you can start the X server, xdm should work |
| 04:06.46 | gravity | Aside from any xdm bugs that may be hanging around :-\ |
| 04:07.06 | sigma957 | ok. one last, should there be a / at the end of the font paths? |
| 04:07.23 | gravity | sigma957: No, but it may not really matter |
| 04:07.27 | gravity | I doubt it will |
| 04:07.32 | sigma957 | ok |
| 04:07.41 | gravity | sigma957: Seriously though, just comment out the Files section |
| 04:07.45 | gravity | argh |
| 04:07.47 | gravity | wtf |
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| 04:08.33 | cleit0n | cat: i do apt-get install m4 and instal... but same error |
| 04:08.35 | shogunx | gravity he got a case of cranial rectal inversion. |
| 04:08.39 | Super-o | yes |
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| 04:08.53 | pilgrim | Can someone who runs a mail server help me test my mail server? I'm not receiving from outside of my localhost and I need to know what happens when a foreign machine tries to send mail. |
| 04:08.55 | Super-o | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.31 | shogunx | pilgrim hostname? |
| 04:10.03 | pilgrim | shogunx, hmm. not sure what you mean. |
| 04:10.22 | shogunx | pilgrim like, machine to send mail to? |
| 04:10.25 | johnsu01 | pilgrim: you could telnet to your own mailserver and do the smtp manually.. |
| 04:10.29 | pilgrim | shogunx, idigidesign.com |
| 04:10.52 | pilgrim | johnsu01, hmm... I guess... |
| 04:10.53 | johnsu01 | pilgrim: or use exim -bhc if this is exim |
| 04:10.53 | pilgrim | hmm |
| 04:10.58 | pilgrim | didn't think of that |
| 04:11.15 | pilgrim | johnsu01, yeah, it's exim. |
| 04:11.30 | shogunx | pilgrim, exim is not running. |
| 04:11.35 | johnsu01 | pilgrim: so, pick an IP that you want to fake a session from, and do exim -bhc IP |
| 04:11.38 | pilgrim | Huh! |
| 04:12.04 | pilgrim | johnsu01, cool, t hanks. I'll try that in a mom. |
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| 04:12.11 | pilgrim | shogunx, I know exim is running. I can send mial |
| 04:12.14 | pilgrim | mail* |
| 04:12.25 | shogunx | pilgrim telnet to 25 of idigidesign.com = telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 04:12.41 | shogunx | pilgrim, could be a firewall rule too. |
| 04:12.50 | pilgrim | shogunx, I though I opened that. |
| 04:13.51 | pilgrim | shogunx, my router port is open (25 that is), do I need to do anything in debian to open port 25 or does it open with exim4 startup? |
| 04:14.19 | liable | pilgrim: what does netstat say about it? |
| 04:14.35 | leighm | eeeeeeeeeeeeeew |
| 04:14.40 | leighm | non shadowed passwords by default |
| 04:14.42 | leighm | in sarge |
| 04:14.43 | leighm | ?? |
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| 04:14.58 | shogunx | pilgrim still the same. |
| 04:14.59 | liable | doesnt the installer ask you? |
| 04:15.19 | shogunx | pilgrim it sould be open w/ exim unless you have an iptables rule to prevent it. |
| 04:15.19 | asg | liable: it does, he's installing via debootstrap and didn't run base-config |
| 04:15.19 | leighm | not when you use cdebootstrap |
| 04:15.51 | liable | ah |
| 04:15.52 | asg | pilgrim: if you didn't reconfigure exim, it will listen on 127.0.0.1:25 by default |
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| 04:16.14 | nvz | woot, called the forse and he's still got that ipaq for me.. gonna have me some net access for my trip to florida after all it seems, its just gonna run me $100 :) |
| 04:16.23 | Azar | not being able to even install a woody is so lame |
| 04:16.39 | liable | cant get a woody?? :( |
| 04:16.53 | pilgrim | asg, is that good? |
| 04:16.54 | Azar | liable, I have many of them in the past 3 years |
| 04:17.00 | Azar | :) |
| 04:17.02 | nvz | I might have to try and see about strapping debian on that puppy |
| 04:17.06 | yetistomps | how can i run a movie as part of my desktop? in other words i want it as my "backgrund image" |
| 04:17.11 | shogunx | nvz hey i have free wifi in the hawaiian inn if you come to daytona. |
| 04:17.17 | nvz | I am sure the windows mobile will get old real fast |
| 04:17.28 | yetistomps | i am using mplayer |
| 04:17.35 | pilgrim | shogunx, I didn't touch iptables. netstat -a doesn't list 25 as listenting |
| 04:17.49 | shogunx | pilgrim check your exim config |
| 04:18.00 | nvz | shogunx: I am going to be near Port Saint Lucie / Fort Pierce area |
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| 04:18.13 | nvz | shogunx: hopefully my hotel or some nearby area will have access |
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| 04:18.32 | nvz | shogunx: I just didnt have anything but half a desktop to take with me and I wasnt planning on taking that |
| 04:18.32 | shogunx | nvz get a room on an upper floor;) |
| 04:18.40 | pilgrim | shogunx, is this line correct? dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1' ? |
| 04:18.51 | nvz | shogunx: I am not getting any room. its being paid for and reserved in advance |
| 04:18.53 | evaded | nvz: Hope there are _open_ wifi ;-) |
| 04:19.08 | Azar | nvz we will be in the nearby trying to get on your wifi |
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| 04:19.51 | shogunx | pilgrim using exim3 here... hold on. |
| 04:20.00 | nvz | evaded: I will figure something out. I met my buddy at the Eat & Park a month or two ago and he was talking about getting a new phone and said I could have that one, and I called him tonight and he said I could have the ipaq for $100 so I am taking it and I will figure out the rest when I get there :P |
| 04:20.11 | pilgrim | shogunx, ok. thanks a bunch for all this. |
| 04:20.13 | nvz | Azar: heh |
| 04:20.39 | Azar | nvz btw, I have a bitter experience on hotels' net connections, they suck |
| 04:20.58 | shogunx | pilgrim comment out that line. |
| 04:21.01 | Azar | dialup better than wifi I would guess |
| 04:21.05 | liable | at least hotels over there *have* internet |
| 04:21.14 | liable | noooo, gimme wireless |
| 04:21.17 | evaded | nvz: Here, there are no neighborhood with wifi access :-( |
| 04:21.26 | pilgrim | shogunx, isn't that going to open it up for (open) relaying ? |
| 04:21.28 | nvz | Azar: yeah well around here our library, schools, subway resturants, coffee shops..etc all have public access so I am guessing it will be the same down there |
| 04:21.38 | shogunx | liable what do you think about an xterminal in the rooms? |
| 04:21.39 | nvz | Azar: its 2006 ffs |
| 04:22.07 | shogunx | pilgrim no, thats a different line. |
| 04:22.15 | Azar | nvz I went with my boss in a business trip, the connection in the room was terrible we had to go down to the "business shop" to use their equipment |
| 04:22.21 | pilgrim | shogunx, ok. I commented it, restarted exim. |
| 04:22.46 | shogunx | pilgrim sarah.spaceplace1.com ? |
| 04:22.50 | Azar | maybe east coast, nvz, here in california we act retarded |
| 04:22.51 | nvz | Azar: I just need to be able to manage my accounts and things online since I wont be getting my mail and I will be there probably over a month |
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| 04:22.53 | pilgrim | shogunx, :) |
| 04:23.01 | pilgrim | shogunx, thanks a bunch. |
| 04:23.02 | nvz | Azar: and of course get on irc :P |
| 04:23.19 | Azar | good because we would miss you |
| 04:23.25 | evaded | hehe |
| 04:23.27 | nvz | haha |
| 04:23.32 | litage | should one use ``rm'' or ``unlink'' to remove a symlink? |
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| 04:23.40 | marccd | litage: rm |
| 04:23.41 | pilgrim | shogunx, you sure comenting that line isn't like harmful? |
| 04:23.47 | litage | marccd: any particular reason why? |
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| 04:23.57 | marccd | litage: any particular reason why not? |
| 04:24.19 | shogunx | pilgrim mine has been commented for over 6 years. |
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| 04:24.36 | pilgrim | shogunx, lol. thanks. |
| 04:24.36 | shogunx | pilgrim, from the exim3 exim.conf file: |
| 04:24.38 | litage | marccd: simply because unlink seem to be tailored specifically for the purpose of removing links.. |
| 04:24.41 | shogunx | # This will cause it to accept mail only from the local interface |
| 04:24.50 | lakcaj | The last two dvds I rented I can't watch with mplayer or vlc. I think this is due to macrovision protection. Anyone have any experience with this? |
| 04:24.51 | marccd | litage: then use unlink, its not like I give a shit |
| 04:24.57 | pilgrim | shogunx, convinced me :) |
| 04:25.04 | nvz | I want to see if someone can loan me $100 until like monday so I can buy it now. I am planning on hanging out in morgantown working this week before I head down there I dont want to have to drive back up here to get the computer |
| 04:25.08 | lakcaj | I watch them on my computer because my toshiba dvd player is a POS. |
| 04:25.22 | Azar | lakcaj: protection with rootkits or without? |
| 04:25.23 | yetistomps | how can i run a movie as part of my desktop? in other words i want it as my "backgrund image" |
| 04:25.24 | yetistomps | i am using mplayer |
| 04:25.33 | marccd | yetistomps: you cant, not with normal x |
| 04:25.40 | marccd | yetistomps: xgl can, afaik |
| 04:25.43 | lakcaj | mplayer -rootwin |
| 04:25.58 | lakcaj | or something like that |
| 04:25.59 | shogunx | pilgrim, you should get a test mail to whoever gets root's mail on that host. |
| 04:26.04 | lakcaj | mplayer -rootwin -vo xv |
| 04:26.05 | lakcaj | try that |
| 04:26.11 | marccd | pilgrim: postfix is the best |
| 04:26.25 | marccd | lakcaj: that wont make it his background |
| 04:26.25 | yetistomps | marccd, xgl? is that also a movie application? |
| 04:26.30 | marccd | yetistomps: no |
| 04:26.32 | marccd | !xgl |
| 04:26.32 | dpkg | methinks xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 04:26.45 | shogunx | lakcaj know of a way to have mplayer accept input from /dev/video? |
| 04:26.51 | lakcaj | marccd, you don't have to use xgl |
| 04:26.56 | marccd | shogunx: mplayer /dev/video |
| 04:27.05 | lakcaj | -rootwin |
| 04:27.05 | lakcaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.05 | lakcaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.05 | lakcaj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:27.10 | shogunx | marccd were it only so easy. |
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| 04:27.25 | asg | gravity: "No time for love Dr. Jones" |
| 04:27.25 | lakcaj | sorry, didn't think it would flood like that |
| 04:27.29 | gravity | heh |
| 04:27.44 | gravity | Fortunately I make time for that |
| 04:28.03 | asg | gravity: glad to see you have your priorities in order :) |
| 04:28.19 | cleit0n | hi.. how i do install acinclude.m4 in debian? |
| 04:28.20 | lakcaj | yetistomps, but I don't think it works with gnome with nautilus running, since it has control of the desktop |
| 04:28.39 | gravity | asg: :-) |
| 04:28.52 | yetistomps | lakcaj, i tried with KDE. no dice.. :-/ |
| 04:28.53 | lakcaj | We rented "hostile" and "memoires of a geisha" and neither will play with mplayer or vlc |
| 04:28.55 | pilgrim | shogunx, yeah, I'm root and I got the mail. |
| 04:28.57 | marccd | lakcaj: thats why, I *told* you and yetistomps to use XGL |
| 04:29.00 | evaded | nvz: Money, money & money. It's looks that everyone have the same problem :-( |
| 04:29.03 | pilgrim | shogunx, thanks for your help. |
| 04:29.07 | DamianXL | hiyaz.... |
| 04:29.09 | shogunx | pilgrim well there you go! n/p |
| 04:29.19 | nvz | lakcaj: in a copetant wm you could change the layer nautilus runs on, but there is probably also a setting for that as well as disabling its control of the root window |
| 04:29.24 | yetistomps | marccd, rootwin cannot use xgl |
| 04:29.48 | lakcaj | yetistomps, use the control panel and disable background control |
| 04:29.49 | DamianXL | quick question... what's the "apt-get" package name to install PHP? Just "apt-get install php" or does it have a specific name? |
| 04:29.49 | marccd | yetistomps: go read about xgl, It can render video with alpha on the rootwin and stil be able to use nautilus, per say |
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| 04:30.02 | asg | DamianXL: php4 and libapache-mod-php4 |
| 04:30.06 | marccd | DamianXL: apt-cache search --names-only php |
| 04:30.11 | evaded | DamianXL: Try 'apt-cache search php' |
| 04:30.16 | DamianXL | oh |
| 04:30.21 | DamianXL | ok |
| 04:30.23 | DamianXL | txx |
| 04:30.24 | DamianXL | :) |
| 04:30.24 | marccd | evaded: names only, that will show millions of shit |
| 04:30.44 | evaded | marccd: There are many stuff :-p oeps |
| 04:30.56 | yetistomps | marccd, err thanks. But you can't use xgl with mplayer which is the application i use. |
| 04:31.11 | lakcaj | you can, yes, -vo gl2 |
| 04:31.14 | lakcaj | or something |
| 04:31.24 | marccd | yetistomps: again, go read about xgl |
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| 04:31.30 | lakcaj | yetistomps, but like I said, just use the control center and disable control of the root window |
| 04:31.37 | marccd | you can use xv |
| 04:31.41 | yetistomps | lakcaj, control panel, desktop? or... |
| 04:31.48 | marccd | anyways, I am done with this shit |
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| 04:31.58 | lakcaj | the fcking kde control panel, I don't know where the setting is |
| 04:32.03 | lakcaj | I'm off to bed |
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| 04:34.50 | asg | and we care why? |
| 04:35.18 | liable | heh, i dont even know wtf hes on about. :) |
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| 04:36.34 | evaded | DamianXL: There is an little trick, i find it nice ;-) 'david@neptune:~$ apt-cache search php | wc -l' and he show you the numbers of items(lines) |
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| 04:37.34 | nvz | evaded: yeah well I had to pay my phone and credit bills if I am going away so that stuff works when I am travelling and I can make the money by monday I am sure. 3 days work could easily make $100 in Morgantown. just need that money now so I dont have to come back here before going to florida |
| 04:37.55 | asg | nvz: ask abrotman for it |
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| 04:39.09 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:39.36 | evaded | nvz: I understand you, but i can not help you. I deal with Euro and... And i'm _-max_ on my bank :-(. I'm in an bad situation |
| 04:39.44 | nvz | I may ask my buddy to come down with me and loan me the money and then come back. he doesnt have shit to do anyhow |
| 04:39.55 | shogunx | nvz damn... western union costs more that a wire transfer from east africa. |
| 04:40.14 | nvz | shogunx: I am only needing $100 thats the estimates on $100 |
| 04:40.31 | evaded | nvz: So i can realy not help you :-( |
| 04:40.37 | nvz | evaded: I got tons of people I could ask its just 12:40am right now |
| 04:40.49 | evaded | nvz: yup |
| 04:41.17 | nvz | evaded: just found out about the pc late in the evening and also found out that I got a ride to morgantown and work down there too so I am planning on leaving here tomorrow afternoon |
| 04:41.19 | shogunx | nvz it cost $15 to get a grand wired from egypt. |
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| 04:42.39 | nvz | shogunx: either way if my friend goes for the idea.. he can come down to morgantown and hang out, and I can even hook him with work if he wants to make money.. and then he can come back after the weekend or when I leave for florida on the 6th |
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| 04:43.18 | evaded | nvz: That's looks nice guy! ;-) |
| 04:43.32 | nvz | thats if he even has $100 in his account to loan me for a few days and wants to do it |
| 04:43.33 | evaded | nvz: I have no job at this moment, so you know ... |
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| 04:44.56 | nvz | evaded: yeah well on 4/20 I had no job and my temp agency called me at 1pm and wanted me the next day at 6am, and then at 9pm another place I applied called me and wanted me at 5pm the next day, then after trying out both them jobs for 8hr each I went home to sleep it off for the weekend and got a call about 4-5 weeks in florida |
| 04:45.25 | nvz | evaded: I was laid off from another job the agency got me at the time.. and now I got more work than I can do |
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| 04:45.53 | evaded | nvz: That's good man :-) |
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| 04:46.02 | nvz | heres my buddy now |
| 04:46.03 | stoned | what do you do, data entry ;) |
| 04:46.06 | nvz | calling me |
| 04:46.08 | evaded | nvz: I can not tell about that :-( |
| 04:46.56 | evaded | nvz: I pray for you ;-) |
| 04:47.16 | asg | !give nvz breakfast burritos |
| 04:47.16 | dpkg | give nvz breakfast burritos |
| 04:47.34 | Dwonis | that looks broken |
| 04:47.35 | asg | !literal cmd give (.*?) |
| 04:47.45 | Dwonis | !literal cmd: give (.*?) |
| 04:47.45 | asg | Dwonis: it is |
| 04:47.48 | Dwonis | !literal cmd: give (.*) |
| 04:47.50 | evaded | What is 'burritos', my translator not find it |
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| 04:48.07 | marccd | test |
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| 04:48.21 | marccd | test |
| 04:48.23 | asg | !literal cmd: give (.*?) (.*?) |
| 04:48.23 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: give (.*?) (.*?)" is "($1,$2): give $1 $2" |
| 04:48.32 | evaded | marccd: Yes it work, hehe |
| 04:48.42 | nvz | stoned: no I do whatever pays and looks interesting at the time |
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| 04:48.44 | Dwonis | asg: I assume you're going to fix it? |
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| 04:49.06 | evaded | nvz: You are right. |
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| 04:49.08 | nvz | stoned: going to florida and abandoning two regular jobs for one whim 4-5wk deal sounded good to me at the time.. |
| 04:49.21 | stoned | nvz, I was giving you a hard time |
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| 04:50.14 | stoned | I need to do that |
| 04:50.20 | stoned | start working |
| 04:50.24 | stoned | heh |
| 04:50.30 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.48 | stoned | I know one thing and one thing only |
| 04:50.55 | stoned | that is what feeds me |
| 04:51.08 | stoned | im not rich, or even well off, I get by, and i am content with life |
| 04:51.15 | nvz | heh |
| 04:51.22 | evaded | stoned: Everyone here are not rich i think :-/ |
| 04:51.24 | asg | give nvz a loaner |
| 04:51.29 | asg | !give nvz a loaner |
| 04:51.30 | dpkg | gives nvz a loaner |
| 04:51.36 | stoned | I know music |
| 04:51.40 | stoned | thats all I am good at |
| 04:51.51 | Dwonis | asg: I thought you were going to use <action> |
| 04:51.53 | stoned | so I try to make use of it, lessons, lectures, instrument repair |
| 04:51.54 | evaded | stoned: That's all a good begin ;-) |
| 04:51.54 | stoned | etc. |
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| 04:52.23 | asg | !give Dwonis the bonus plan |
| 04:52.28 | nvz | yeah well I got to go make my friend an offer he cant refuse.. even if he doesnt have $100 or want to loan it to me.. I can still bring his ass with me and maybe even get him to make some money with me before I head down there |
| 04:52.28 | Dwonis | yay! :) |
| 04:52.36 | stoned | I get 20$ for half hour and I ask for 4 lessons up front, so I make 80$ per student per month |
| 04:52.41 | nvz | he just called so I gotta go pitch my idea |
| 04:52.43 | stoned | I have a few right now so I am getting by |
| 04:52.57 | asg | Dwonis: got sidetracked upgrading the firmware on our SAN controllers in the other term |
| 04:53.03 | ryan__ | Hi, I am trying to upgrade my kernel, on a ubuntu system from 2.6.12-9-amd64-generic to 2.6.15 or greater using http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
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| 04:53.23 | ryan__ | is their different source for different architectures ? |
| 04:53.23 | evaded | marccd: Try to play in an _temp_ channel or so?? Make one it |
| 04:53.26 | Dwonis | asg: man, you need to get your priorities straight! ;) |
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| 04:53.39 | gunixu | ryan: yes. |
| 04:53.49 | asg | Dwonis: that's what multitasking is for ;) |
| 04:54.09 | stoned | ryan__, go to #ubuntu |
| 04:54.11 | gunixu | ryan__: i'm currently in the process of make bzImage using 2.6.16.11 |
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| 04:54.23 | gunixu | but on rh9 |
| 04:54.24 | gunixu | :( |
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| 04:54.36 | mo1991 | simple sid backport |
| 04:54.49 | stoned | complex sid backport |
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| 04:54.57 | asg | mo1991: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 04:55.24 | mo1991 | opps sleepy |
| 04:55.44 | evaded | gunixu: Try '/list #redhat' |
| 04:55.57 | stoned | I was watching queen of the damned last night, and that vampire guy was playing the violin in it, man it was beautiful |
| 04:56.15 | stoned | I bought one a few weeks ago, I also put a debian sticke ron my violin |
| 04:56.16 | stoned | :D |
| 04:56.17 | marccd | stoned: test |
| 04:56.35 | stoned | marccd, ? |
| 04:56.40 | ryan__ | thanks |
| 04:56.49 | evaded | marccd: How many time i need to say? |
| 04:57.17 | evaded | marccd: Do '/joine #an_new_one' |
| 04:57.18 | evaded | oeps |
| 04:57.22 | evaded | marccd: Do '/join #an_new_one' |
| 04:57.29 | stoned | n != vowel |
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| 04:57.57 | evaded | stoned: Right ;-) i'm bad :-( |
| 04:58.01 | asg | !tell mustard_ about root |
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| 04:58.23 | Azar | hmm strange the irc didn't tell him when he got in |
| 04:58.42 | asg | Azar: the bots will, I just gave it a little extra |
| 04:58.50 | Azar | asg :) |
| 04:58.57 | evaded | Azar: I think he can not send msg here if he are root |
| 04:59.12 | asg | right, voice is taken away. |
| 04:59.14 | Azar | double fun! |
| 04:59.34 | marccd | fucking apt takes hours |
| 04:59.43 | Azar | maybe he does not know how to use multiple terminals |
| 04:59.44 | jnc | sounds delightful |
| 04:59.44 | evaded | But he is thinking i guess 'What happend with my irc i can not send msg...' |
| 04:59.48 | stoned | apt only takes as long as it needs to take |
| 04:59.55 | marccd | too long |
| 04:59.59 | stoned | that time depends on the power of your connection |
| 05:00.08 | stoned | apt is not to blame ;) |
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| 05:00.22 | Azar | just imagine to upgrade from woody to sarge on a dialup! |
| 05:00.29 | mustard_ | :) |
| 05:00.30 | stoned | wow |
| 05:00.36 | stoned | who would do that? |
| 05:00.38 | evaded | mustard_: Right :-) |
| 05:00.39 | pilgrim | I installed dovecot to handle my pop3 and imap. I started it with /etc/init.d/dovecot start however it doesn't work no process called dovecot startsup. Anyhelp?> |
| 05:00.48 | jnc | and please do not complain, for you must have used apt-get dist-upgrade from slink to potato on an macintosh colour classic running at 16mhz cpu speed, or you have no reason to complain |
| 05:00.53 | Azar | stoned: who does not have another type of connection |
| 05:00.55 | jnc | i have done this |
| 05:01.02 | jnc | if i am not complaining, you should not either |
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| 05:01.22 | mustard_ | any idea how I can get around a sudo timestamp too far into the future error? |
| 05:01.27 | Azar | haha |
| 05:01.28 | stoned | Azar, well, I can't immagine there would be many, people would opt for a cd instead, unless they are pateient and persistance, they might upgrade to sarge in a few days time |
| 05:01.36 | FarrisG | Anybody gotten the latest version of gotmail to work on debian? |
| 05:02.07 | jnc | mustard_: update your clock |
| 05:02.26 | stoned | mustard_, use ntpdate |
| 05:02.38 | mustard_ | stoned k I'll try that :) |
| 05:02.40 | mustard_ | thanks |
| 05:02.42 | jnc | sudo might shut up about it if you try it again, though |
| 05:02.46 | Azar | I have good connection, adsl, but I ordered the CDs just in case... |
| 05:02.47 | jnc | i seem to remember doing this |
| 05:03.06 | stoned | I got some free ubuntu cds, didn't do more than piss me off |
| 05:03.13 | stoned | and waste my time, I'd gladly pay for debian cds |
| 05:03.15 | evaded | He i discovered that my virtual computer have 5 hours differents. I try that ntpdate ;-) |
| 05:03.40 | Azar | I wouldn't snub any other distro, is allways instructive to see how others do |
| 05:03.53 | Dwonis | stoned: you got angry just because somebody gave you an ubuntu cd? |
| 05:03.59 | stoned | I am not downing on it, I am only relating my experience with it |
| 05:04.18 | Azar | challenge is allways fun.. |
| 05:04.18 | stoned | Dwonis, you completely misunderstood me, read between the lines |
| 05:04.33 | jnc | i look at Ubuntu like Redhat, only without the communist undertones of a Red Hat. |
| 05:04.35 | stoned | Azar, I actually have dapper on my laptop |
| 05:04.47 | stoned | communist lol |
| 05:04.48 | Azar | my first Debian CDs I was shaking and sweating like a little kid .. I was horrified |
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| 05:05.06 | Dwonis | stoned: hmm... I suppose it would help if I read more than 2 lines before replying |
| 05:05.26 | jnc | they've done away with the male/female cleavage, my only reasons for ordering free CDs |
| 05:05.31 | jnc | thumbs down. |
| 05:05.51 | stoned | Dwonis, the implication was that I GOT free ubuntu cds, which means I made the initiative to obtain them, which implies that I used the, and they were useless to me, and I like debian better. |
| 05:06.11 | stoned | Dwonis, not everything needs to be blatantly put out there |
| 05:06.22 | asg | stoned: on this term, reading between the lines yields nothing but darkness. |
| 05:06.26 | shogunx | jnc someone once asked me "what is this, some menage a touis operating system?" |
| 05:06.30 | stoned | asg, I realize that now |
| 05:06.43 | Dwonis | stoned: sorry, I must be reading /. too much... |
| 05:06.44 | stoned | I should have been more coherent |
| 05:07.09 | jnc | shogunx: yeah. at a LUG i was like, hey slackers, you do realize that there's a nipple poking out on there. "no way, you lie!" look at it. "that? it's ah, aliasing. yeah. aliasing" |
| 05:07.20 | jnc | then i realised i was with true geeks |
| 05:07.26 | stoned | I like nipples |
| 05:07.32 | shogunx | jnc hehheh |
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| 05:07.51 | asg | jnc: because you were discussing nipples on a CD cover or the fact that it was an artifact of the rendering? |
| 05:08.02 | jnc | artifact of the "rendering" |
| 05:08.34 | jnc | a nipple isn't all that much of an event. and really, it pointed itself out to me before i pointed it out to the LUG folks |
| 05:08.38 | jnc | so really i'm just passing the buck |
| 05:09.08 | pilgrim | Is there anyone that's running dovecot-pop3d that can post their dovecot config file somewhere? |
| 05:09.14 | shogunx | jnc those girls were pretty hot too, actually. |
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| 05:09.27 | jnc | shogunx: the guy wasn't too much of an eyesore neither |
| 05:09.37 | jnc | it could be like, worse |
| 05:09.40 | jnc | RMS or something |
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| 05:09.45 | pilgrim | lol |
| 05:09.48 | jnc | not that he's bad looking |
| 05:09.56 | jnc | he's just got a lot of ... we'll call it "wisdom" |
| 05:09.58 | jnc | yeah. wisdom |
| 05:10.00 | shogunx | jnc RMS deserves a 3-way every now and again. |
| 05:10.03 | Dwonis | jnc: exactly |
| 05:10.27 | Dwonis | I can excuse RMS' looks, mainly because I've seen worse on less-useful people |
| 05:10.37 | zamaliphe | hey did any one know how to use mplayer without use x11 |
| 05:10.53 | shogunx | zamaliphe mplayer -vo vesa |
| 05:11.02 | jnc | in this world, LISP fluency is worth beauty points |
| 05:11.04 | jnc | believe it |
| 05:11.08 | Dwonis | at least I know that the time RMS spends not grooming himself, he's probably spending it defending my freedom :) |
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| 05:11.13 | teledyn | zamaliphe: even if you could, why? |
| 05:11.28 | asg | Dwonis: or picking scabs |
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| 05:11.37 | Dwonis | asg: he multitasks |
| 05:11.40 | Dwonis | asg: like you |
| 05:11.48 | asg | what a guy |
| 05:11.57 | jnc | Dwonis: or grooming EMACS |
| 05:12.04 | Dwonis | heh |
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| 05:12.32 | asg | Dwonis: didn't he have to have a helper when he broke his arm sometime back because he couldn't do m-x m-c with one arm? |
| 05:12.43 | jnc | look at that editor, (disclaimer i am a vimaholic), it makes me go "zomg! RMS' brain. in a computer program." |
| 05:12.57 | pinky | Can someone recommend an application dedicated to ID3 editing that handles album art (ie. not kid3)? |
| 05:12.59 | Dwonis | asg: dunno. it was probably before my time :) |
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| 05:13.10 | marccd | pinky: easytag |
| 05:13.10 | jnc | pinky: i don't think easytag does |
| 05:13.17 | marccd | jnc: stftu it does |
| 05:13.20 | jnc | easytag is awesome though |
| 05:13.25 | jnc | it does album art now? |
| 05:13.30 | marccd | since months |
| 05:13.30 | pinky | Heh, okay thanks I'll check it out |
| 05:13.37 | jnc | oh, entire months |
| 05:13.47 | jnc | how many lk versions is that |
| 05:13.51 | mustard_ | hmmm..its a bit confusing because my time is set to current local time, but its still complaining about the time stamp too far into the future |
| 05:13.53 | jnc | maybe a point release? |
| 05:14.05 | pilgrim | Anyone running dovecot? Anyone in this free world? *? |
| 05:14.24 | asg | pilgrim: did you read /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README.Debian{.gz} ? |
| 05:14.49 | pilgrim | asg, heh. Actually no, I just did man page. I'll try that. thanks. |
| 05:14.49 | asg | pilgrim: did you check /etc/default/<pkg> to see if there was any extra post-install tweaking to do? |
| 05:14.49 | zamaliphe | teledyn: i have use kde transucency and i dont wish to use it with mplayer |
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| 05:15.40 | pilgrim | asg, that last tip is golden, I never knew about /etc/default. |
| 05:15.45 | pinky | Hmm, apparently amaroK doesn't write album art to the ID3 info in the individual tracks when it associates it with a particular album... is there a way for it to do this? |
| 05:16.03 | asg | pilgrim: not all packages use it but more and more are starting to. |
| 05:16.58 | Agrajag- | pinky: does id3 even support album art? |
| 05:16.58 | zamaliphe | teledyn: my gui config has vo_driver = "x11" ?? any idea |
| 05:16.59 | Voidint | I want to store images on multiple Debian servers running Apache. Since one server may go down or not respond with the image requests. For example: image goes into [server 1] but i want it to be available on [server 2], right away, so that i can retrieve it from any of the two servers. Whats the best way to do this? |
| 05:17.03 | pilgrim | asg, it's a debian-only thing it seem like. I've never seen it else where. |
| 05:17.11 | pinky | Agrajag: ID3v2 does, yes. |
| 05:17.11 | asg | pilgrim: right |
| 05:17.43 | asg | Voidint: either share the space using NFS or some other network file system or use rsync to sync the content if it doesn't change often |
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| 05:18.34 | Voidint | thanks asg |
| 05:19.18 | Dwonis | Voidint: You could also search for the linux high-availability HOWTO |
| 05:22.10 | nse | my /etc/fstab is not mounting my hda2 on my home directory. always get input/output error on cd, this is the entry in the file: /dev/hda2 /home ext3 rw 1 2 |
| 05:22.16 | zamaliphe | OK hear is my question again how to force mplayer to not use translucency ? |
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| 05:26.08 | zamaliphe | nse: u must use this to make the /dev home dir |
| 05:26.40 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.59 | zamaliphe | nse: /dev/hda10 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 05:27.17 | huhlig-Laptop | anyone know if there is a way to remaster knoppix or any other debian liveboot CD in windows (please no flames and yes I asked in #knoppix) |
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| 05:28.00 | SimonRaven | ehm, i wouldn't. waay not *nix |
| 05:28.10 | Dwonis | huhlig-Laptop: in Windows? good luck. I've used http://live.debian.net/ but never from Windows |
| 05:28.17 | zamaliphe | nse: ok |
| 05:28.26 | Dwonis | huhlig-Laptop: there's also Morphix, but again, not from Windows |
| 05:28.40 | huhlig-Laptop | problem is, Ive got an entire liveCD where several of the utilities need to be updated from windows |
| 05:28.52 | huhlig-Laptop | I am trying to unify it and include a linux distro on the repair CD |
| 05:28.52 | marccd | nope huhlig-Laptop |
| 05:29.27 | Dwonis | huhlig-Laptop: the only way I could see it even _possibly_ working is with cygwin, but even that would take someone with a lot of knowledge |
| 05:29.31 | huhlig-Laptop | why |
| 05:29.38 | huhlig-Laptop | what is neccessary to remaster it |
| 05:29.40 | Dwonis | huhlig-Laptop: no unix-like filesystems in Windows |
| 05:29.46 | huhlig-Laptop | Ive got cygwin |
| 05:29.54 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: seen in a changelog "...i should stop smoking my curtains". my wife goes, eh, does he have hemp curtains? |
| 05:29.58 | huhlig-Laptop | and the filesystem should be iso9660 |
| 05:30.11 | zamaliphe | nse: sory i forget that your /dev is /dev/hda2 not /dev/hda10 sory |
| 05:30.16 | nse | zamaliphe: i was already using defaults,errors=remount-or instead of rw without sucess |
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| 05:30.51 | asg | SimonRaven: doesn't smoking your curtains void the warranty? |
| 05:30.57 | SimonRaven | ro, not or. or is that a typo? |
| 05:31.05 | Dwonis | huhlig-Laptop: it's almost never iso9660... just trust me, it's extremely complicated to do within Windows, *if* it's even possible (I don't know). I suggest you get VMware or qemu (does that work in Windows) or something, install Linux there, and make your distro from there |
| 05:31.11 | Dwonis | huhlig-Laptop: or just install Linux outright |
| 05:31.19 | asg | SimonRaven: probably since sory is an ENOPARSE |
| 05:31.30 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: heh |
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| 05:32.33 | huhlig-Laptop | Dwonis: that removes a key component I need |
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| 05:32.55 | huhlig-Laptop | Dwonis: I need it to be able to update with the rest of the CD via a script |
| 05:33.10 | nse | my question is hard |
| 05:33.28 | zamaliphe | nse: tray that line only without any thing else and see it work for me gust fine |
| 05:33.40 | Dwonis | huhlig-Laptop: well, then my answer is "no, I don't know" |
| 05:33.41 | zamaliphe | nse: /dev/hda2 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 05:33.45 | asg | !be unix barbie |
| 05:33.45 | dpkg | Vwls r HRD! |
| 05:33.46 | peej | does skype work for most people with sarge? I get horrible sound with my sarge laptop. |
| 05:34.07 | SimonRaven | asg: not in our case, we found them in the garbage. =) |
| 05:34.25 | zamaliphe | nse: thats it tray and tile me |
| 05:34.25 | asg | SimonRaven: ah right |
| 05:34.35 | stew | barbie: what does that have to do with unix? |
| 05:34.41 | SimonRaven | nse: 'sorry', i've never seen 'sory' in english |
| 05:35.07 | asg | !factinfo be unix barbie |
| 05:35.07 | dpkg | be unix barbie -- created by greycat <~wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Tue Dec 11 17:35:48 2001 (1598 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by greycat at Tue Jun 28 06:58:25 2005. |
| 05:35.15 | nse | SimonRaven: and success |
| 05:35.24 | stew | !be mwilson barbie |
| 05:35.25 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 05:35.33 | litage | is there a command that will output the target of a link? |
| 05:35.36 | asg | stew: hah, forgot that one |
| 05:35.40 | stew | litage: readlink |
| 05:35.45 | jm_ | litage: yes |
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| 05:36.18 | litage | awesome possums. thanks |
| 05:36.25 | stew | badgers |
| 05:36.30 | asg | ice weasels |
| 05:36.31 | nse | litage: ls -l, file |
| 05:36.41 | peej | wow. I didn't realize this one would still be there : !factinfo rsync |
| 05:37.13 | Dwonis | litage: ls -l | perl -p -e '/->(.*)/ ... and some other bloated crap |
| 05:37.31 | stew | Dwonis: or just readlink |
| 05:37.39 | SimonRaven | nse: eh? just plow through. eventually you'll get it |
| 05:37.41 | litage | Dwonis: thanks. yeah, readlink does the job too |
| 05:37.48 | Dwonis | !joke |
| 05:37.49 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 05:37.55 | stew | :) |
| 05:37.59 | Dwonis | hah |
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| 05:38.22 | asg | !qotd161 |
| 05:38.23 | dpkg | qotd161 is probably * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 05:38.31 | turiddu | hey |
| 05:38.37 | turiddu | i need an opinion |
| 05:38.38 | turiddu | :l |
| 05:38.44 | asg | don't eat yellow snow |
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| 05:38.53 | turiddu | www.dolox.com/home.php |
| 05:38.56 | Dwonis | asg: how does that song go again? |
| 05:39.02 | turiddu | you think i should make that text 1 size smaller, or is it fine that size? |
| 05:39.11 | stoned | I have a big pony |
| 05:39.15 | stoned | women like riding it too |
| 05:39.16 | stoned | ;) |
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| 05:39.24 | shogunx | baloney pony |
| 05:39.31 | asg | Dwonis: problem is, every time I start into it, It morphs into the 'My Buddy / Kid Sister' song for some odd reason. |
| 05:39.31 | stoned | balogna |
| 05:39.31 | Dwonis | !badjokesmite stoned |
| 05:39.55 | Dwonis | asg: egad... I forgot about those |
| 05:40.11 | Dwonis | asg: damn you! now I can't get those out of my head! |
| 05:40.15 | stoned | shogunx, you should at least be able to spell what you eat |
| 05:40.16 | stoned | ;) |
| 05:40.20 | asg | Dwonis: the power of memes |
| 05:40.23 | stew | ugh... my buddy |
| 05:40.24 | peej | Dwonis: they're called earworms. |
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| 05:40.38 | mo1991 | I am having problems with xvncviewer and xtightvncviewer when in fullscreen mode keyboard stops working - anyone have this problem? Also I use amd64 - want to see if a sarge problem or just sarge amd64 |
| 05:40.39 | stoned | hey my weed is all dry now, how can I remoisturize it? |
| 05:40.53 | shogunx | stoned i'll pass on the pressed meat. btw: |
| 05:40.59 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 05:40.59 | dpkg | methinks bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 05:41.02 | marccd | !snm |
| 05:41.03 | dpkg | hmm... snm is say no more |
| 05:41.26 | shogunx | stoned s small slice of orange peel. |
| 05:41.33 | peej | Dwonis: the only way to get rid of it is by having another song infect you. |
| 05:41.44 | stew | shogunx: citrus peel or ginger |
| 05:41.49 | stoned | shogunx, I usually take little piece of paper towwel, wet it, and put it inside the baggy for a few days |
| 05:41.51 | stew | err stoned ^^ |
| 05:41.54 | stoned | it provides enough moisture content |
| 05:42.02 | Dwonis | peej: hmm |
| 05:42.06 | shogunx | i like stew's idea. |
| 05:42.06 | stoned | stew, i've never heard of it |
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| 05:42.15 | stoned | stew, how does that work? |
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| 05:42.42 | Dwonis | peej: hmm. that worked, but I question whether the replacement is better |
| 05:42.50 | stoned | its a bitch to break it up man, dry as hell, all bricked up |
| 05:42.53 | voltagex | hi, I have an SVideo port on my laptop, how can I configure Debian/X to use it as a display? |
| 05:42.59 | shogunx | stoned if you do it with a wet paper towel, yourun the risk of the dreaded white mold. |
| 05:43.07 | stoned | shogunx, i know man |
| 05:43.09 | stew | put a sq. cm. or so of citrus peel in the bag, it just works |
| 05:43.16 | stoned | ok cool |
| 05:43.20 | stoned | i'll take your word for it man |
| 05:43.20 | Dwonis | wtf |
| 05:43.21 | stoned | :) |
| 05:43.43 | stoned | now i have to go buy an orange |
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| 05:43.44 | shogunx | Dwonis, open source herbalism. |
| 05:43.45 | stew | a heard i guy say that to some other dude when i was riding on a bus at least |
| 05:43.52 | asg | stoned: if you had to trust the future of your stash to someone, stew would be that someone |
| 05:44.03 | stoned | word! |
| 05:44.07 | stew | sure |
| 05:44.18 | shogunx | stoned better yet, ship it to me, and i will rehydrate it for you. |
| 05:44.24 | stoned | man i dont' mind smoking people out so long as they like linux and weed |
| 05:44.42 | voltagex | stoned: better yet, ship it to me and I will smoke it |
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| 05:44.55 | voltagex | actually, I'll sell it as I'm broke |
| 05:44.58 | Dwonis | dpkg, word is also NOT an exclamation, and should never be used as one. |
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| 05:45.04 | dpkg | is also NOT an exclamation, and should never be used as one.: Word to your mutha! |
| 05:45.17 | stoned | dude |
| 05:45.24 | voltagex | dpkg, stoned |
| 05:45.25 | stoned | jeezus fucking christ that is lame and gay as allo hell |
| 05:45.34 | voltagex | LOL |
| 05:45.35 | stoned | i'll say word al li fuckin want |
| 05:45.35 | stoned | blow me |
| 05:45.37 | stoned | :) |
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| 05:46.15 | Dwonis | peej: I've mostly avoided listening anything by eminem enough to let it sink in |
| 05:46.17 | voltagex | I have an SVideo port on my laptop, how can I configure Debian/X to use it as a display? |
| 05:46.33 | SimonRaven | stoned: dude, get stuffed. |
| 05:46.36 | Dwonis | stoned: you scared agelesstulip away |
| 05:46.43 | stoned | lol |
| 05:46.44 | peej | voltagex : if it is ati, you use atitvout |
| 05:46.48 | stoned | Dwonis, didn't mean to I swear! |
| 05:46.59 | voltagex | peej: intel 8xxx |
| 05:47.11 | fGxN | Something keeps setting my /dev/null to 0644 every morning. I've looked in /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.d, and /var/spool/cron, and I can't find what might be doing it. What am I missing? It makes it so regular users can't redirect stdout to /dev/null. |
| 05:47.19 | stew | voltagex: depends on which video card. the best bet is to go to one of the sites in /msg dpkg laptops ; and find someone with the same laptop and see what they did |
| 05:47.34 | Dwonis | stoned: maybe it wasn't so bad... look at the username: agelesstulip (n=root@222.217.117.252) |
| 05:47.36 | peej | skype buggery: http://juljas.net/linux/skype/ - mebbe I need the dsp_hijacker. |
| 05:47.57 | voltagex | stew: it works, I use the switch and it displays -- tis just not outputting PAL B |
| 05:48.01 | stoned | I bought a 128mb nvidia 5200 geforece for 50$, it has dual monitor support, + tv connection as a monitor too |
| 05:48.02 | stoned | etc. |
| 05:48.21 | shogunx | 222.217.117.252 = CHINANET Guangxi province network |
| 05:48.23 | Dwonis | what's the non-non-free alternative to skype? |
| 05:48.29 | stoned | lol |
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| 05:48.33 | voltagex | lol 5 series = teh suck |
| 05:48.37 | stoned | two negatives equal a positive mate |
| 05:48.41 | voltagex | Dwonis: Gizmo |
| 05:48.45 | Dwonis | stoned: not if you add them |
| 05:48.46 | stew | Dwonis: linphone iaxcomm asterisk gnomemeeting... |
| 05:48.51 | cheal | Dwonis: ?? |
| 05:49.00 | cheal | Dwonis: sorry |
| 05:49.01 | voltagex | gizmo also gives you 25c free calling credit woot |
| 05:49.12 | cheal | voltagex: Gizmo is Free? |
| 05:49.26 | voltagex | cheal: err, yes |
| 05:49.27 | shogunx | Dwonis looking for an app or provider? |
| 05:49.34 | cheal | voltagex: since when? |
| 05:49.43 | Dwonis | I mean free software and open protocols |
| 05:49.57 | voltagex | err wtf it's always been free |
| 05:50.03 | Dwonis | I'm not allergic to paying for service |
| 05:50.15 | voltagex | are we talking bout the same gizmo? |
| 05:50.36 | stew | Dwonis: voip-info.org |
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| 05:50.40 | cheal | voltagex: well, there aren't many Gizmo soft phones I suppose. the one I know is proprietary |
| 05:50.42 | peej | zfone is the l33t skype from zimmerman. Dunno about its freeness though. |
| 05:50.59 | shogunx | Dwonis or apt-cache search sip phone |
| 05:51.03 | Deb-Noob | hi , i would like to know how to know our fre space disk and.. how to deleted big files :/ |
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| 05:51.13 | Deb-Noob | my debian start to get error bcuz im harddrive is fulled |
| 05:51.25 | shogunx | stanaphone only charges for voip-->pstn outbound calls. |
| 05:51.32 | voltagex | Deb-Noob: delete files then |
| 05:51.43 | Deb-Noob | actually, i dont know what files to delete |
| 05:51.43 | SimonRaven | try apt-get clean to start |
| 05:52.04 | shogunx | Deb-Noob, df will show you free disk space. you probably want df -h |
| 05:52.35 | Deb-Noob | its full at 97% |
| 05:52.43 | voltagex | Deb-Noob: rm deletes files on the command line but be careful |
| 05:52.57 | Deb-Noob | is there a way to show all bigges files or somethingù6 |
| 05:53.05 | Dwonis | Deb-Noob: oh... you probably have 5% of your drive reserved for root |
| 05:53.06 | Deb-Noob | i have 60 Gb files used |
| 05:53.07 | Deb-Noob | and i dont know why |
| 05:53.09 | killown | what time is it in miami? |
| 05:53.10 | peej | Deb-Noob: if you wanna get serious about that, read about du (du -s) and the find command (which is a lesson in unix geekiness). |
| 05:53.22 | shogunx | killown, almost 2. |
| 05:53.23 | shogunx | am |
| 05:53.31 | killown | shogunx thanks |
| 05:53.31 | stew | Deb-Noob: if you go to a directory, "du -ks * | sort -n" will list the folders and files in that directory smallest to largest, you can use that to drill down to find the larger files |
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| 05:54.08 | Dwonis | Deb-Noob: the first places I'd look are /var/log and /tmp |
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| 05:54.22 | pwned1 | so if I do a dist-upgrade on unstable when using xorg 6.9, will the new x11proto stuff replace it? |
| 05:54.22 | Deb-Noob | thanks you |
| 05:54.32 | voltagex | stew: thanks for that, that command is useful for me too |
| 05:54.34 | _Ben_ | Is it possible to play WMVs in Debian? |
| 05:54.38 | stew | the first place i'd look is /home/deb-noob/Desktop/My\ Pornography |
| 05:54.43 | cheal | !tell _Ben_ about wmv |
| 05:54.46 | Deb-Noob | damned i figureit out i think |
| 05:54.49 | Deb-Noob | its my mysql logs files :/ |
| 05:54.54 | Deb-Noob | omg XD |
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| 05:55.06 | Deb-Noob | mysql logs a tons of shit :/ |
| 05:55.08 | voltagex | Deb-Noob: rm mysql.log\ |
| 05:55.19 | voltagex | oops, without the slash |
| 05:55.19 | _Ben_ | cheal: Danke. |
| 05:55.42 | Deb-Noob | i went into /var/log/mysql |
| 05:55.46 | Deb-Noob | and did a rm -fr * :P |
| 05:55.50 | shogunx | stew no porn partition? |
| 05:55.59 | stew | Deb-Noob: you can turn off logging in /etc/mysql/my.conf ; you should be rotating those, make sure whichever log files you see are in /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server |
| 05:56.17 | SimonRaven | killown go away |
| 05:56.17 | SimonRaven | killown go awaykillown: if you want the time, look at your clock |
| 05:56.23 | stew | shogunx: you mean the porn array they i have nfs mounted? |
| 05:56.27 | Deb-Noob | thansk for advice stew |
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| 05:56.53 | shogunx | stew yeah, the one on the raid1 symlinked to /dev/porn |
| 05:56.55 | voltagex | so how do I get X to output PAL |
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| 05:57.04 | stew | shogunx: raid5, need more space |
| 05:57.10 | shogunx | heh |
| 05:57.13 | voltagex | is there a TV output applet somewhere? |
| 05:57.34 | killown | mplayer |
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| 05:57.41 | Dwonis | Deb-Noob: as a precaution, I recommend that from now on, you do something like "cd /var/log ; rm -f mysql/*". Never use -r (or even -f) unless you need to, and this also avoids having "rm -fr *" in your .bash_history, where it can cause problems for you if you make a mistake (like accidentally pasting into an xterm) |
| 05:57.49 | shogunx | stew the fibre channel is a bit of verkill tho. |
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| 05:58.31 | Deb-Noob | ok thanks you |
| 05:58.35 | Dwonis | Deb-Noob: running just "HISTFILE=" is also good for disabling saving the history when you're typing dangerous commands |
| 05:58.41 | pwned1 | where can I learn about x11 7.0 ? |
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| 05:58.47 | pwned1 | (in debian) |
| 05:59.36 | stew | !debwiki pwned1 Xorg |
| 05:59.36 | dpkg | pwned1: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
| 05:59.39 | Dwonis | Install sid, which will probably break something, cry when it doesn't work, and then painstakingly downgrade back to etch. Then you'll have learned something about x11r7 in debian |
| 06:00.01 | SimonRaven | make an alias of it |
| 06:00.10 | MM2 | finger-command gives time, when mail is read. Where is that time saved? (I must sort out of about 1000 accounts if they have or have not read any mails) |
| 06:00.16 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: hehe |
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| 06:02.06 | AnTko | Hi all! Ðóññêèé ïîíèìàåò êòî-íèòü? |
| 06:02.15 | Deb-Noob | is it chinese? :P |
| 06:02.24 | SimonRaven | utf-8 please? |
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| 06:02.34 | Dwonis | MM2: I think it's just the atime of /var/mail/$USER |
| 06:02.55 | Dwonis | MM2: ls -lu /var/mail/$USER shows it. cat /var/mail/$USER >/dev/null updates it |
| 06:03.00 | MM2 | Dwonis: is not that time, when mail last arrived ? |
| 06:03.16 | Dwonis | MM2: no, that'd probably be the mtime |
| 06:03.25 | MM2 | ah, ty! |
| 06:03.33 | pwned1 | stew: ah I should have found that wiki before. Ok it seems xorg upgrade can cause headache. |
| 06:03.35 | shogunx | Dwonis touch /var/mail/$USER does not update it? |
| 06:03.42 | SimonRaven | atime == access time |
| 06:04.05 | voltagex | :( why can't things be simple and work? |
| 06:04.06 | Dwonis | shogunx: touch -a /var/mail/$USER would, I guess |
| 06:04.16 | stew | pwned1: most of the major bugs have been worked out afaik. with the help of that page, most people get it working |
| 06:04.18 | MM2 | Dwonis: what about users, who has got none mail, but has logged in to read it? |
| 06:04.38 | MM2 | Dwonis: though pop or imap? |
| 06:04.41 | Dwonis | MM2: well, my guess is that /var/mail/$USER doesn't exist, so that info just isn't available |
| 06:04.53 | Dwonis | MM2: a better source of info would be your logs, if they go back that far |
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| 06:05.15 | MM2 | Dwonis: nope (I think) :/ |
| 06:05.16 | Dwonis | MM2: POP/IMAP depends totally on what information the server is storing |
| 06:05.35 | MM2 | but finger show mail last read time... |
| 06:05.43 | Dwonis | MM2: doesn't mean it's accurate |
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| 06:06.42 | shogunx | MM2 i think finger only shows when you use the mail command. |
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| 06:08.38 | stew | MM2: according to strace, finger is just running "stat /var/mail/$USER" and using the access time. |
| 06:08.44 | MM2 | shogunx: no, it shows even imap-reads. System has only imap/pop accounts |
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| 06:09.20 | Dwonis | MM2: does your POP/IMAP server use /var/mail/$USER ? |
| 06:09.35 | MM2 | Dwonis: yes |
| 06:09.47 | Dwonis | MM2: well there you go |
| 06:10.14 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 06:10.22 | stew | my machines that store users's mail in ~user/Maildir still show atime of /var/mail/$USER when i finger them |
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| 06:11.25 | voltagex | has anyone got a philips tv tuner here? |
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| 06:13.26 | pwned1 | stew: yeah, but with the nvidia-glx being removed, xorg upgrade warning about unmet dependancies (which are not replaced) and failed upgrades, I'm discouraged. However I might have to go through this if I want to use the unstable repository libqt4-dev (it mandates xorg upgrade for some reason) |
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| 06:13.40 | Wak0 | alguien habla español? |
| 06:13.50 | nse | !es |
| 06:13.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:13.57 | Wak0 | estoy isntalando debian sarge y nose como hacer para que escoja los respositorios del dvd |
| 06:14.01 | Wak0 | y no de la red |
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| 06:15.31 | voltagex | can I get help with video for linux here? |
| 06:15.55 | Dwonis | voltagex: no, it is forbidden, as of now |
| 06:16.18 | voltagex | !smite Dwonis |
| 06:16.27 | Dwonis | no! not the locusts! |
| 06:16.48 | voltagex | no! attack him, not me! ARRGHH my eeeeyyes! |
| 06:16.58 | Dwonis | heh heh |
| 06:16.59 | nse | my hda2 is not mouted correctly with /etc/fstab. a cd /home after the boot is giving me input/output errors. when i umount and then mount it again with mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /home everything works fine. what can i do to go round this? |
| 06:17.01 | stew | pwned1: it shouldn't be suprised that qt is depending on x stuff since it's an x widget library |
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| 06:17.25 | pwned1 | stew: depending is one thing, requiring an upgrade is another. gtkmm doesn't. |
| 06:17.25 | Dwonis | nse: what's the line in /etc/fstab? |
| 06:17.53 | nse | Dwonis: /dev/hda2 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 06:17.54 | stew | pwned1: well since the packages are split into modular packages now, it needs to depend on the new modular stuff |
| 06:17.59 | peej | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.06 | Dwonis | nse: it doesn't like you |
| 06:18.12 | pwned1 | stew: hm ok thanks |
| 06:18.12 | Dwonis | nse: what error are you getting? |
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| 06:19.09 | pwned1 | set mouse=r |
| 06:19.17 | Wak0 | nadie que hable español¿? |
| 06:19.20 | nse | Dwonis: a df sometimes say that 99% of hda2 is used, when in fact 50% is used |
| 06:19.31 | Dwonis | nse: ?? |
| 06:19.42 | Dwonis | nse: I'm suspecting hardware problems, here |
| 06:19.43 | nse | Dwonis: cannot cd into /home input/ouput errors |
| 06:19.55 | Dwonis | nse: does dmesg say anything more useful? |
| 06:20.18 | voltagex | I'm having so many problems today, now it's the sound in my laptop |
| 06:20.31 | nse | Dwonis: ahh.. my swap is not being mounted either.. |
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| 06:21.10 | Dwonis | nse: ah... yeah that'll do weird things alright. Linux usually doesn't handle out-of-memory conditions well... at least not from what I've seen |
| 06:21.22 | teledyn | voltagex: apt-get install alsa-base; alsaconfig; ??? |
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| 06:22.13 | voltagex | teledyn: alsa base and utils are already installed, alsaconfig cannot be found |
| 06:22.29 | skrewz | Dwonis: Well, at least it uses your RAM before it begins swapping -- i.e. if you have enough RAM, you needn't worry about your disk performance. |
| 06:22.33 | teledyn | voltagex: alsaconf |
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| 06:22.40 | voltagex | ah, alsaconf |
| 06:23.11 | shogunx | too bad we can't just partition an asslod of nvram into memory and storage. |
| 06:23.13 | nse | Dwonis: memory is not my problem, i have plenty of it. but dmesg is saying really interesting things.. |
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| 06:23.59 | voltagex | teledyn: done, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio still doesn't make any noise |
| 06:24.15 | teledyn | voltagex: you'll destroy your speakers that way |
| 06:24.32 | avtobiff | no you wont. |
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| 06:24.42 | avtobiff | at least i didn't |
| 06:24.49 | voltagex | teledyn: not if I have the speakers turned down and I'm only watching the eq on my stereo |
| 06:24.51 | teledyn | yes you will |
| 06:24.58 | voltagex | oh %@$@#!@$@% |
| 06:25.03 | teledyn | ever heard of low-frequency clipping? |
| 06:25.16 | voltagex | i had it plugged into the soundcard that is disabled |
| 06:25.31 | teledyn | yeah i still wouldn't want to be sending subsonic clipping signals to my speakers... |
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| 06:25.56 | Dwonis | teledyn: have you actually *observed* this with a computer soundcard? |
| 06:25.56 | shogunx | voltagex if you are sending a squarewave to speakers, no matter the amplitude, it will damage the voice coils. voice coils do not like heat. |
| 06:26.05 | nse | Dwonis: see http://pastebin.com/686432 that's listing my problem |
| 06:26.05 | peej | I use a gateway router to access the web (via route add default gw 192.168.0.1 sort of thing) . Is iptables -A INPUT going to work for me? Does it sit between routing and the browser? |
| 06:26.19 | voltagex | shogunx: the speakers are turned off |
| 06:26.22 | Dwonis | teledyn: I wouldn't be surprised if soundcards/amps had bandpass filters to prevent this |
| 06:26.30 | voltagex | I am only watching the graphical eq moving |
| 06:26.35 | teledyn | Dwonis: i haven't observed getting shocked from holding a 200000 volt electric line either. don't want to try |
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| 06:26.51 | voltagex | argh |
| 06:26.51 | jm_ | peej: no, read iptables tutorial, it will tell you how packets traverse the chains |
| 06:26.53 | voltagex | it works now |
| 06:26.55 | teledyn | Dwonis: maybe they do though |
| 06:26.59 | voltagex | that;s my main machine working |
| 06:27.03 | voltagex | now for the laptop |
| 06:27.15 | teledyn | still, doesn't playing a .wav or .mp3 seem more appropriate? |
| 06:27.38 | nop | .list |
| 06:27.42 | peej | jm_ : is that why: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 --dport 80 -j DROP on a clean iptables setup isn't killing off my web access |
| 06:27.57 | voltagex | teledyn: but hearing urandom is so much more fun |
| 06:27.57 | teledyn | ogg123 /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Dialog_Appear.ogg |
| 06:28.00 | jm_ | peej: yes |
| 06:28.01 | voltagex | teledyn: alsaconf can't find the sound chip in my laptop |
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| 06:28.27 | Dwonis | teledyn: I meant with test equipment.. e.g. "while true ; echo -ne '\xff' ; done | sox -t ub - -t ossdsp /dev/dsp" and then take a voltmeter to the output. |
| 06:28.29 | peej | jm_ : interesting. and confusing. Thanks for the pointer. |
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| 06:28.56 | voltagex | Dwonis: you memorised that kind of script??! |
| 06:29.37 | Dwonis | voltagex: no. I made it up on the spot |
| 06:29.43 | voltagex | ok, alsaconf can't find it but lspci does |
| 06:29.47 | voltagex | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 06:29.51 | teledyn | whitenoise -r 11025 -c 0.3 -F 1 -l 25 that's a little c-program i found and compiled |
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| 06:29.56 | peej | Dwonis: the sox args are particularly heroic on your part. |
| 06:30.10 | voltagex | err that's supported by linux isn't it? |
| 06:30.10 | nse | Dwonis: but why the "by hand" mount works? |
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| 06:30.13 | Dwonis | peej: thank you... now I just wish I had an ALSA version |
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| 06:30.55 | voltagex | so how do I configure my sound if alsa's given up on me? |
| 06:31.06 | voltagex | wait, how old is the alsa version in debian sarge? |
| 06:31.08 | shogunx | voltagex, lspci -n into here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 06:31.24 | Dwonis | nse: I don't know why it works at all. do you have more of the dmesg output? |
| 06:31.35 | willwork4foo | hello! I am sitting in front of my first ever Debian system - having come from a fairly long background of using Gentoo and Slackware... and I feel a little bit lost... can someone explain to me how to prevent X from launching when the system boots? In slackware, I'd change the runlevel and in Gentoo I'd remove xdm from the rc scripts... |
| 06:31.41 | willwork4foo | how is it done in Debian? |
| 06:31.45 | Dwonis | nse: I suspect your hard drive is dying, or filesystem is bigger than your partition. did you do any resizing lately? |
| 06:31.57 | peej | if anyone does think dwonis deserves a medal for that line, just do a man sox and hell, just try to do anything with sox without botching it up a few dozen times ;-) |
| 06:31.58 | Dwonis | nse: or it's just corrupted and you need e2fsck pronto |
| 06:31.59 | shogunx | willwork4foo, look in /etc/rc2.d |
| 06:32.11 | voltagex | shogunx: thanks, I also know that this chip works in the 2.4 stock debian kernel |
| 06:32.18 | nop | willwork4foo, do not install display manager :p |
| 06:32.28 | nvz | willwork4foo: X will not launch unless perhaps you have a display manager starting from your default runlevel ash shogunx points you to |
| 06:32.31 | voltagex | nop: yay cli |
| 06:32.33 | teledyn | i'd like to find a cool ambient-sound generator for things like rain |
| 06:32.33 | Dwonis | peej: I've always found sox to be quite intuitive... maybe just because I've been using it for ages (I used sox on the _Amiga_ for pete's sake) |
| 06:32.36 | nop | willwork4foo, or, use update-rc.d to remove xdm/gdm service |
| 06:32.45 | nop | voltagex, :) |
| 06:32.46 | Dwonis | though I think the args may have been different |
| 06:33.00 | willwork4foo | aha, so I am guessing that Debian uses Solaris 9-style startup management then... |
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| 06:33.07 | nvz | willwork4foo: update-rc.d -f [x,g,k,w]dm remove |
| 06:33.07 | shogunx | voltagex 2.4 used oss. |
| 06:33.20 | willwork4foo | changing S99gdm to s99gdm should stop it from starting up |
| 06:33.27 | nvz | willwork4foo: will remove the links you need to see which ones you have |
| 06:33.41 | peej | Dwonis : I think it is the muliplicity of sound formats that kick sand in my face. |
| 06:33.43 | Dwonis | willwork4foo: s/^S/s/ <-- that's just evil |
| 06:33.54 | willwork4foo | Dwonis: nah - it works for me |
| 06:33.55 | huhlig-Laptop | hmmm |
| 06:34.00 | Dwonis | peej: "ub" is unsigned byte, which means "\xff" is interpreted as 255 and not -1 |
| 06:34.03 | nvz | willwork4foo: heh |
| 06:34.24 | peej | Dwonis: of course! It's sooooo obvious! |
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| 06:34.45 | voltagex | shite, for some reason I can't get out onto the net with my local machine |
| 06:34.48 | rama3i | hello all |
| 06:34.52 | nse | Dwonis: here is dmesg: http://pastebin.com/686443 |
| 06:34.57 | shogunx | willwork4foo i usually manually add/remove from rc2.d on every host i install on. |
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| 06:35.43 | willwork4foo | OK... one other quick question - where's the network config file where I can set the IP address, etc? in Slackware, it's in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf |
| 06:35.52 | nvz | willwork4foo: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:35.52 | Dwonis | willwork4foo: yes, but somebody who does "ls /etc/rc2.d" with a non-C locale probably wouldn't even notice, versus s/^S/_S/, which would be more visible |
| 06:35.58 | voltagex | it would probably help if my resolv.conf wasn't empty |
| 06:36.00 | nvz | willwork4foo: man 5 interfaces |
| 06:36.19 | rama3i | i've try to install debian 3.1 on Sattellite A100. but it can't detect my network card properly. On my notebook manual, my network is Intel Pro 1000 PL |
| 06:36.23 | nse | Dwonis: i recently moved the entire system from my old hard disk with a cp -ax, maybe this process caused some troubles with the data |
| 06:36.26 | willwork4foo | nvz: thanks |
| 06:36.29 | rama3i | i've google it but i found nothing |
| 06:36.33 | voltagex | do I have to do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 if I've just modified resolv.conf? |
| 06:36.38 | Dwonis | nse: yeah. Getting an "Oops" tends to cause weird things to happen in the kernel |
| 06:36.44 | willwork4foo | voltagex: you shouldn't have to |
| 06:36.46 | nvz | Dwonis: its a minor pref of the admin I wouldnt bother |
| 06:36.49 | shogunx | voltagex, no |
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| 06:37.01 | nvz | Dwonis: its not effecting anyone but the admin |
| 06:37.06 | voltagex | willwork4foo: will KDE/Konqueror pick it up? |
| 06:37.18 | rama3i | i've try to install debian 3.1 on Sattellite A100. but it can't detect my network card properly. On my notebook manual, my network is Intel Pro 1000 PL. anybody can help? |
| 06:37.19 | willwork4foo | voltagex: it should do. |
| 06:37.30 | Dwonis | nvz: until someone else had to admin the box. hence the suggestion of something less error-prone |
| 06:37.33 | willwork4foo | voltagex: In all other *NIX systems I've used, it's fairly instant. |
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| 06:37.56 | Dwonis | nse: "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00008024" <-- this is probably the error that sets everything off |
| 06:38.01 | shogunx | willwork4foo i do not think those values get cached anywhere. |
| 06:38.12 | voltagex | ok next question |
| 06:38.17 | willwork4foo | shogunx: neither did I |
| 06:38.17 | rama3i | i've try to install debian 3.1 on Sattellite A100. but it can't detect my network card properly. On my notebook manual, my network is Intel Pro 1000 PL. anybody can help? |
| 06:38.25 | voltagex | is it possible for a machine to have a virtual ip? |
| 06:38.44 | Dwonis | voltagex: "virtual ip" .. meaning? |
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| 06:38.58 | shogunx | voltagex, machines do not have ip addresses... interfaces do. |
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| 06:39.11 | nvz | Dwonis: I suggested removing the links using update-rc.d because he has links on other runlevels that the command I gave would have solved easily |
| 06:39.19 | voltagex | i.e. real ip is 10.1.1.123, but you can also access it via 10.12.54.20 |
| 06:39.34 | zamaliphe | any one her have any idea how to dispel translucency for mplayer only |
| 06:39.42 | voltagex | shogunx: sorry, you know what I mean |
| 06:40.00 | shogunx | voltagex you want eth0:1 eth0:2, etc. |
| 06:40.02 | nvz | willwork4foo: update-rc.d -f gdm remove, would take out links to /etc/init.d/gdm and update-rc.d gdm defaults, would put them back |
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| 06:40.17 | Dwonis | nvz: the problem is that then you don't have a record of what it _should_ be.. because apparently dpkg doesn't store what the NN value should be (I suppose you could look at postinst, but that's nasty) |
| 06:40.23 | rama3i | i've try to install debian 3.1 on Sattellite A100. but it can't detect my network card properly. On my notebook manual, my network card is Intel Pro 1000 PL. anybody can help? |
| 06:40.27 | nse | Dwonis: will e2fsck do the job? |
| 06:40.34 | willwork4foo | nvz: call me weird, but I'd prefer to do it my way where the links are still there and just changed so they won't get run. |
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| 06:40.39 | nvz | Dwonis: apperently you dont know how debian works and the many ways to do that |
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| 06:40.44 | willwork4foo | then it's a simple thing to go and look to see what does and doesn't run |
| 06:40.44 | voltagex | shogunx: so set up eth0:2 in /etc/interfaces? |
| 06:40.51 | Dwonis | nvz: eh? |
| 06:40.55 | shogunx | rama3i at the boot: prompt in the installer, type linux26 |
| 06:41.03 | nop | can we develop proprietary software using LGPL library or compiler? anyone can help? |
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| 06:41.10 | shogunx | voltagex eth0:0 eth0:1, and so on. |
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| 06:41.18 | tuv | how can i set dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:41.18 | shogunx | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:41.18 | nvz | willwork4foo: yeah but did you take them out of rc0.d and rc6.d that util is designed to do that in a simple manner |
| 06:41.21 | rama3i | shogunx. I've done it, but it does the same |
| 06:41.34 | willwork4foo | nvz: no I didn't. I leave them there. |
| 06:41.35 | mo1991 | if I have installed some package upgrades to testing - is there a way to downgrade everything back to a completely sarge system? |
| 06:41.36 | nvz | willwork4foo: become an unoffically certified debian admin now, learn to be lazy |
| 06:41.39 | voltagex | shogunx: eth0:0 is the same as what I have as just eth0 now? |
| 06:41.42 | willwork4foo | it works. trust me on this |
| 06:41.49 | shogunx | voltagex ya. |
| 06:41.55 | voltagex | ok |
| 06:41.58 | evaded | I don't know why, but after installing 'cedega' my 'nvidea' driver no more work and XFree86 complain. Temporaly, I use actually the 'nv' one without dri. Oef, i have found the problem so X running again an my wife no more complain that there are not X. But that dri ... I guess i need to reinstall that nvidea driver?? |
| 06:42.02 | willwork4foo | nvz: I prefer to be an officially certified Solaris admin, and do things the way that works in my head. |
| 06:42.35 | voltagex | willwork4foo: your head != debian |
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| 06:42.59 | willwork4foo | voltagex: this is true - at the moment |
| 06:43.17 | voltagex | willwork4foo: I'm waiting for /dev/brain |
| 06:43.22 | willwork4foo | voltagex: lol |
| 06:43.31 | shogunx | willwork4foo did you have to take a test? |
| 06:43.56 | Dwonis | nse: it might (well, that and a reboot), if you're lucky, but I think it's rather odd that it's crashing in sysfs_follow_link |
| 06:43.57 | evaded | The 'nvidea' module are go away, but where and why? |
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| 06:44.00 | rama3i | shogunx: my friends are suggest me to recompile the kernel to solve this. Is that true? or maybe there is other thing i have to do? |
| 06:44.02 | willwork4foo | shogunx: at a Prometric test centre. I took my tests (both of them for Solaris sysadmin) at a test centre in Fleet, Hampshire |
| 06:44.04 | shogunx | voltagex gets the scarecrow award. |
| 06:44.05 | willwork4foo | in the UK |
| 06:44.21 | Dwonis | nse: did you fix the problem with your swap space? |
| 06:44.36 | Dwonis | nse: namely: "version 0 swap is no longer supported. Use mkswap -v1 /dev/hda3" |
| 06:44.40 | shogunx | rama3i i relatively sure that that card is supported by the kernel... perhaps just not debian install kernel. |
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| 06:44.52 | quitte | nop: propprietary using a free license? you are talking about the license of whatever library you want to link against,right? |
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| 06:45.39 | shogunx | willwork4foo i passed my debian admin test in an alley with a laptop, a beige box, and a phone can:) |
| 06:45.40 | Dwonis | voltagex: we're all out of brains, but we can probably find your a brian, if you like |
| 06:45.57 | willwork4foo | shogunx: well done... I think. |
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| 06:46.03 | Dwonis | shogunx: you had a laptop? |
| 06:46.06 | nse | Dwonis: yes i fixed that part |
| 06:46.10 | nop | quitte, yes. Say i use compiler a to compile my program. Can my program be proprietary? |
| 06:46.14 | evaded | shogunx: So we can pass and debian test? aha |
| 06:46.21 | shogunx | Dwonis i am on my 7th now. |
| 06:46.26 | mo1991 | if I have upgraded some packages to testing - is there a way I can downgrade back to a full sarge only system? |
| 06:46.42 | nop | quitte, a is licensed LGPL |
| 06:47.05 | quitte | nop: yes. free software can be used for any purpose. what do you mean by "a"? |
| 06:47.10 | cheal | mo1991: how many? in general, downgrading is not supported |
| 06:47.15 | rama3i | shogunx: tought u'r right. as i read on net, intel pro 1000 PL is supported on older kernel. so u suggest me to compile kernel? |
| 06:47.18 | willwork4foo | so - am I reading this right - Debian stable is still using XFree86 instead of xorg? |
| 06:47.35 | avtobiff | yes |
| 06:47.41 | Dwonis | nse: poke around a bit, but it looks like you either have a problem with the kernel being corrupted, a kernel bug, or -- more likely -- some hardware-related problem |
| 06:47.50 | Dwonis | nse: make backups :) |
| 06:47.52 | shogunx | Dwonis but that laptops monitor was borked, so i had to script what i needed, take the laptop out, hook up the wires, and run the script blind, with only the hd led to tell me when the job was done. while sitting in a smelly ass dumpster. |
| 06:47.58 | evaded | willwork4foo: It's use Xfree86 |
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| 06:48.07 | willwork4foo | hmm right. so the rumours I've heard are true then - stuff doesn't make it into debian stable until it's virtually out-of-date with all other distros :) |
| 06:48.25 | quitte | nop: linking against free software is another thing. but with the lgpl you can do that |
| 06:48.42 | shogunx | rama3i you could try to load the module for the card from a floppy or flash or so. |
| 06:48.43 | karsten | willwork4foo: at the time a release is made, the stuff in stable is relatively fresh. |
| 06:48.56 | vin` | willwork4foo: once a stable release is out, nothing goes in, except for security patches. |
| 06:49.01 | evaded | willwork4foo: Know you about the 3 releases?? Stable, Testing and Unstable?? The most other distro's use an Unstable branch! |
| 06:49.03 | jm_ | that's one of those idiotic myths about Debian, just like the one about unstable/testing |
| 06:49.05 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... however, 'stable' guarantees that that's in all likelihood the freshest it will ever be. |
| 06:49.07 | shogunx | rama3i but recompile/change kernel in cd iso image is probably the best option. |
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| 06:49.16 | willwork4foo | karsten: I don't think so. I am using 3.1r2 which was out on April 19th, and that's still got XFree86 version 4.something on it. |
| 06:49.18 | karsten | jm_: What's the myth about unstable/testing? |
| 06:49.31 | karsten | willwork4foo: You don't understand stable. |
| 06:49.37 | jm_ | karsten: that the software in it is unstable/beta/whatever |
| 06:49.42 | willwork4foo | karsten: evidently not. |
| 06:49.54 | nop | quitte, thanks:) |
| 06:49.58 | karsten | willwork4foo: 3.1r2 is the same packages and versions as 3.1, with bugfixes / security updates. |
| 06:50.02 | karsten | jm_: Right. |
| 06:50.05 | willwork4foo | ah ok. |
| 06:50.08 | evaded | willwork4foo: What mean the word 'Stable' at you're eyes? |
| 06:50.09 | karsten | willwork4foo: So the versions don't change. Period. |
| 06:50.12 | rama3i | shogunx: thx alot |
| 06:50.26 | shogunx | rama3i no problem. |
| 06:50.51 | evaded | willwork4foo: And now 'Unstable' |
| 06:50.53 | karsten | willwork4foo: The one exception is if something's so broken that the only way to fix it is to upgrade the package (usually busted design issues, not just implemnetation). |
| 06:51.05 | voltagex | bye now |
| 06:51.08 | willwork4foo | karsten: fair enough. |
| 06:51.22 | vin` | karsten: has that happened? |
| 06:51.26 | willwork4foo | interesting - I've just broken networking on my debian box. |
| 06:51.31 | karsten | willwork4foo: When Debian 3.2 comes out, it'll be all new and shiny and stuff. And then you'll have exactly that for the 18-24 months until the next release. |
| 06:51.35 | karsten | vin`: Not that I can recall. |
| 06:51.39 | karsten | vin`: But that's policy. |
| 06:51.44 | vin` | ok. |
| 06:52.33 | nvz | willwork4foo: how so? did you read the linux manual pages section 5, interfaces? |
| 06:52.37 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... *and* for the 18-24 months *after* that while the former stable remains on the "oldstable" supported list. |
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| 06:52.55 | karsten | willwork4foo: Yeah. Broke networking _how_? |
| 06:53.01 | willwork4foo | fair enough. |
| 06:53.15 | willwork4foo | karsten: I'm just getting to grips with the layout of the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 06:53.30 | willwork4foo | used to other config file styles - reading thru man page and sorting it out |
| 06:53.33 | willwork4foo | not a problem |
| 06:53.34 | karsten | willwork4foo: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 06:53.53 | karsten | willwork4foo: For a standard setup it's *very* straightforward. |
| 06:54.07 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... and if you want to get twisted, you can get as twisted as you want. |
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| 06:54.45 | gunixu | i'm trying to mount /dev/cdrom which i normally do with mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 06:54.51 | gunixu | however now when i do that i'm receiving an incorrect file type must specify |
| 06:54.54 | willwork4foo | aha cool - thanks for the examples file location |
| 06:54.58 | gunixu | any ideas ? |
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| 06:55.25 | ajayc | hi |
| 06:55.31 | nvz | gunixu: you should have an entry in your fstab and mount /media/cdrom should work |
| 06:55.32 | apenguinlinux | ajayc, hi |
| 06:55.37 | karsten | willwork4foo: NP. Debian policy _requires_ packages to have a docs entry under /usr/share/doc/<packagename>. Many of them have examples there. |
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| 06:55.46 | ajayc | well i installed debian |
| 06:55.50 | nvz | gunixu: if not then you need to fix your fstab or the link it points to |
| 06:55.51 | ajayc | i had |
| 06:55.54 | ajayc | and i love it |
| 06:56.01 | ajayc | but the packages r sooo ollldd |
| 06:56.02 | karsten | !love ajayc |
| 06:56.07 | nse | Dwonis: e2fsck said that filesystem were with errors chech forced. a second 2fsck said clean. after reboot the same error! |
| 06:56.11 | karsten | !tell ajayc about stable |
| 06:56.24 | Dwonis | nse: then it's probably not a pure filesystem error? |
| 06:56.53 | nse | Dwonis: is this meanign that this is the end of my disk? |
| 06:57.03 | willwork4foo | karsten: cool. that's definitely something worth remembering!!!! :) |
| 06:57.09 | gunixu | nvz: i've just compiled 2.6.16 so everything's a little buggy at the moment. Mobprobe can't seem to find any older version (as it states) |
| 06:57.09 | shogunx | nse quite possibly. |
| 06:57.14 | karsten | willwork4foo: Very, very, very useful. |
| 06:57.25 | willwork4foo | I think I like Debian so far. Although things are a little bit disorientating so far |
| 06:57.25 | Dwonis | nse: it could. It could mean a lot of things. Your box could be overheating, too |
| 06:57.34 | Dwonis | nse: or it could be a genuine kernel bug |
| 06:57.41 | nse | shogunx: but it is just new, i ipgraded my system to it from an old one |
| 06:57.41 | ajayc | !tell me about release |
| 06:57.45 | willwork4foo | it's just a case of getting used to it |
| 06:57.45 | karsten | ajayc: If you want more recent packages, consider switching sources to testing and/or unstable. /msg dpkg releases |
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| 06:57.53 | karsten | willwork4foo: Yeah. What're you coming from? |
| 06:57.54 | gunixu | fstab: is setup correct and has all the appropriate mount points included in it. |
| 06:57.59 | gunixu | i believe it's a mobprobe issue. |
| 06:58.01 | gunixu | and ideas ? |
| 06:58.02 | willwork4foo | karsten: Solaris 9, Gentoo and Slackware |
| 06:58.04 | nvz | gunixu: well if you need help figuring this out you are going to have to explain all that in more detail |
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| 06:58.07 | Dwonis | nse: new systems die all the time. that's why manufacturers have warranties. |
| 06:58.09 | karsten | !comfort willwork4foo |
| 06:58.09 | dpkg | There, there, willwork4foo. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 06:58.19 | shogunx | nse are you getting any low level hd specific messages in dmesg? |
| 06:58.22 | willwork4foo | thanks dpkg... I feel so much better now... |
| 06:58.23 | dpkg | no worries, willwork4foo |
| 06:58.28 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 06:58.30 | willwork4foo | weird... |
| 06:58.37 | nvz | gunixu: you can start with why you are using 2.6.16 and how you configured and compiled it |
| 06:58.42 | gunixu | when i boot into 2.6.16 i receive the following error; |
| 06:58.43 | shogunx | willwork4foo, the bot is pretty nice. |
| 06:58.43 | gunixu | WARNING: /etc/modprobe.conf line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'Cannot' |
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| 06:58.48 | willwork4foo | can see that. |
| 06:58.54 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 06:58.54 | nse | Dwonis: |
| 06:59.06 | karsten | willwork4foo: I haven't adminned Solaris in years. If you're coming from Gentoo, realize that package deps are your friend. Work with them. |
| 06:59.07 | gunixu | the line in modprobe.conf is 'Cannot find previous version of modprobe' |
| 06:59.13 | nse | shogunx: what do you mean by low level hd messages? |
| 06:59.33 | shogunx | nse seek errors and such. |
| 06:59.39 | ajayc | does debian support intel 915? |
| 06:59.48 | karsten | nse: 'read seek complete' errors in /var/log/messages are a very bad sign. |
| 07:00.01 | nse | Dwonis: i redirected your last ouput to /dev/null |
| 07:00.11 | willwork4foo | package deps? |
| 07:00.15 | nvz | heh |
| 07:00.19 | nvz | who needs a bed |
| 07:00.20 | karsten | willwork4foo: Package dependencies. |
| 07:00.25 | willwork4foo | does apt-get resolve dependencies automatically? |
| 07:00.36 | willwork4foo | or do I have to do all the goose-chasing myself |
| 07:00.44 | karsten | willwork4foo: Pretty much. aptitude does a generally saner job. |
| 07:00.52 | shogunx | willwork4foo no rpm hell here. |
| 07:00.55 | karsten | willwork4foo: Very little goose chasing. |
| 07:00.58 | willwork4foo | APTitude... very clever :) |
| 07:01.01 | nvz | willwork4foo: yes it does you could better use aptitude as a drop in replacement for the apt commands |
| 07:01.11 | karsten | willwork4foo: Absolutely not RH hell. And markedly better than yum. |
| 07:01.13 | Dwonis | nse: um... okay? |
| 07:01.18 | karsten | !tell willwork4foo about aptitude |
| 07:01.19 | nxvl | hi |
| 07:01.19 | jm_ | you could also read apt-get docs |
| 07:01.37 | nxvl | im configuring a server to install debian using netboot |
| 07:01.42 | nxvl | the thing is |
| 07:01.51 | willwork4foo | yum = teh sux0r |
| 07:01.52 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 07:02.05 | nvz | willwork4foo: without command arguments its an interactive curses based package manager, with arguments like install, remove, upgrade, update, search..etc it can be use just like apt with all the benefits of aptitude |
| 07:02.12 | karsten | willwork4foo: aptitude and apt-get are both front-ends to dpkg and apt. aptitute's slightly newer, has a few really nice features, including being largely argument-compatible _and_ logging stuff. |
| 07:02.19 | willwork4foo | and I will not speak the name of the crimson headgear package management system in here. it makes me feel sick and dizzy to do so. |
| 07:02.22 | karsten | willwork4foo: There's a really good Joey Hess post in that factoid. |
| 07:02.25 | nxvl | y have server ----- router w/ dhcp ---- client, do i need to configure a dhcp server as wel? |
| 07:02.28 | cheal | ajayc: most likely |
| 07:02.35 | nse | karsten: #cat /var/log/messages | grep "read seek complete" is blank |
| 07:02.37 | karsten | willwork4foo: yum != teh sux0r. RPM is teh sux0r. |
| 07:02.45 | karsten | willwork4foo: yum gives oral favors to rpm. |
| 07:02.57 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... and RPM mistakes that for the real mccoy. |
| 07:03.11 | willwork4foo | indeed. |
| 07:03.19 | karsten | nse: I'd suggest paging through the file. The grep pattern may not be accurate. |
| 07:03.25 | karsten | !uuoc nse |
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| 07:03.51 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:04.08 | karsten | willwork4foo: My latest exposure is to OS X and a mix of fink and ports. Interesting. |
| 07:04.09 | nvz | grep /var/log/messages "read seek complete" |
| 07:04.19 | willwork4foo | karsten: I am using exactly that right now :) |
| 07:04.28 | karsten | willwork4foo: Heh. Mine's at the office. |
| 07:04.29 | nse | nvz: i thought about that |
| 07:04.34 | willwork4foo | Darwin Darkstar.local 8.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.6.0: Tue Mar 7 16:58:48 PST 2006; root:xnu-792.6.70.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc |
| 07:04.35 | nvz | er I got the arguments backwards |
| 07:04.37 | karsten | willwork4foo: Trusty Debian on a thinkpad ATM. |
| 07:04.40 | Inkvisit1r | do anyone know what I need to do in order to mount an NFS behind a D-Link firewall? |
| 07:04.42 | willwork4foo | aha. |
| 07:04.53 | nxvl | im configuring a server to install debian using netboot |
| 07:04.57 | karsten | willwork4foo: OSX wants /proc. Badly. |
| 07:04.58 | nxvl | the thing is |
| 07:05.00 | nxvl | y have server ----- router w/ dhcp ---- client, do i need to configure a dhcp server as wel? |
| 07:05.11 | willwork4foo | I am waiting with baited breath for the apple AirPort Extreme cards to become supported in Linux - then my iBook will get Linux on it instead of MacOSX |
| 07:05.16 | shogunx | nvz some of that is Read Seek and other case sensitive whatnot. |
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| 07:05.34 | willwork4foo | karsten: agreed. |
| 07:05.41 | shogunx | willwork4foo isn't that just a prism2 chip? |
| 07:05.48 | willwork4foo | shogunx: no. |
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| 07:06.18 | nse | karsten: paging through the file? it has 5446 lines |
| 07:06.24 | nvz | shogunx: -i then *shrug* |
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| 07:06.46 | karsten | nse: 'less' and search patterns are your friend. |
| 07:07.04 | karsten | nse: ...and aquiring the skill of noting useful and useless patterns in text quickly is another bonus. |
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| 07:07.19 | willwork4foo | all the commands that matter |
| 07:07.28 | willwork4foo | none of that silly emacs rubbish |
| 07:07.31 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 07:07.40 | shogunx | blashpheme! |
| 07:07.49 | willwork4foo | muahahahaha |
| 07:07.55 | nse | karsten: which is the same as | grep pattern |
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| 07:08.18 | nse | karsten: yes but in fact the pager is better |
| 07:08.24 | shogunx | willwork4foo, may st ignusious strike you down:) |
| 07:08.29 | Dwonis | karsten: laugh at "cat file | foo" all you want, until you accidentally type > when you meant < |
| 07:08.31 | willwork4foo | indeed. |
| 07:08.34 | karsten | nse: With the exception that you can retry your searches quickly *and* get some local context as well. Which is also possible with grep, but less convenient. |
| 07:08.53 | karsten | Dwonis: Um. 'grep <pattern> file' works just fine, thanks. |
| 07:09.05 | willwork4foo | Dwonis: I've done that before... |
| 07:09.16 | karsten | Dwonis: But yeah, I hear you. |
| 07:09.16 | sanmarcos | I have kernel-image 2.6.16-1-k7 installed, as well as the respective headers, but when I try to build a module with module-assistant, it always fails, any ideas? m-a prepare also tells me that /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1 is unconfigured. (Dunno why linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 depends on the architectural vanilla version) any ideas= |
| 07:09.29 | Dwonis | karsten: hmm. yeah I guess in this case... crap :) |
| 07:09.34 | sanmarcos | no it isnt |
| 07:09.48 | karsten | Dwonis: Been running an append to crontab for a common after-install procedure at work. I'm waiting for myself to get it wrong. |
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| 07:10.04 | bibe | sanmarcos : are you running that kernel? |
| 07:10.14 | sanmarcos | bibe: yes |
| 07:10.19 | karsten | Dwonis: ...and am starting to wish for a true append tool. |
| 07:10.35 | Dwonis | karsten: a true append tool... like cat? |
| 07:10.47 | sanmarcos | bibe: m-a prepare tells me about /usr/src/linux-2.6.16-1 seems to contain an unconfigured kernel source |
| 07:10.59 | bibe | sanmarcos : did you try 'apt-get -f install', just to be sure that no packages are left in an unconfigured state? |
| 07:10.59 | sanmarcos | bibe: thats what apt installed, since k7 depends on the vanilla headers, dunno why |
| 07:11.33 | bibe | sanmarcos : the package you call vanilla headers are the arch-undependant headers |
| 07:11.36 | sanmarcos | bibe: hold on |
| 07:11.43 | karsten | Dwonis: Existing file append. |
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| 07:12.17 | karsten | Dwonis: Take the inputs, and append them to the specified output file. Bonus points for properly handling the same filename on input and output. |
| 07:12.31 | sanmarcos | bibe: one package fails but it has nothing to dwith the kernel |
| 07:12.32 | Dwonis | karsten: ah... in that case, it's NOT "cat some_file foo > some_file" ... even though it works with the example test file you will try |
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| 07:12.54 | karsten | willwork4foo: Among my major gripes against fink: grep -h '^Package: ' http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_*_Packages | sort -u | wc -l: 18433 |
| 07:13.08 | karsten | willwork4foo: I think fink's got about 3800 or 4200 packages. |
| 07:13.09 | nse | karsten: but do you have any clue why a regular mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /home is working fine? |
| 07:13.09 | Dwonis | or... hmm... cat is smart: "input file is output file" |
| 07:13.16 | willwork4foo | karsten: yeah. |
| 07:13.16 | bibe | sanmarcos : what package? |
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| 07:13.38 | sanmarcos | bibe: not related to the kernel, mythv |
| 07:13.40 | karsten | nse: Missfire? |
| 07:14.03 | gunixu | the line in modprobe.conf is 'Cannot find previous version of modprobe' |
| 07:14.14 | gunixu | hmmm what carries modprobe ? |
| 07:14.21 | Dwonis | I once learned, the hard way, that "echo baz | cat somefile - | sed -e 's/foo/bar/' > somefile" is really not a good idea, even though it appears to work with small files |
| 07:14.21 | karsten | gunixu: You're mixing versions of the kernel. |
| 07:14.23 | sanmarcos | bibe: any ideas?, why wont this work? |
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| 07:14.41 | bibe | sanmarcos : ok, just to be sure. can you temporarily remove that package, so that the configuration can finish its work? |
| 07:14.44 | karsten | gunixu: modprobe changed sometime either 2.4 => 2.6 or otherwise. Did you install a kernel? Have you rebooted? |
| 07:14.47 | nse | karsten: no i mean, the bad disk issue, fstab is not mounting properly |
| 07:15.01 | karsten | nse: Why are you asking me? |
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| 07:15.17 | willwork4foo | I have to say one thing about Debian though - the install procedure was impressive. (I did a 3.1r2 netinstall). Once I discovered that the standard kernel was crappy and I had to use linux26, everything worked quite nicely indeed. |
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| 07:15.24 | nse | karsten: because you were talking to me about this |
| 07:15.41 | karsten | nse: Ah. I didn't connect it to the disk errors. |
| 07:15.42 | sanmarcos | bibe: wish I could, but it fails while actually trying to remove --purge, because of some libGL crap I dont want to deal with right now |
| 07:15.46 | Dwonis | karsten: nse doesn't want to accept the "it's probably a hardware problem; possibly a dead harddrive" answer |
| 07:15.57 | TraceGreen | Hello, When i start openvpn, system told me can not find /dev/net/tun, actually, my tun is under /dev, because i compile kernel myself, is it because my custom kernel? |
| 07:16.07 | karsten | nse: Install smartmontools or run it from a Knoppix disk. |
| 07:16.17 | karsten | nse: If I get a drive giving errors, I swap it. |
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| 07:16.30 | shogunx | TraceGreen why not just make a symlink? |
| 07:16.36 | karsten | nse: Unfortunately, the last disk to go south on me *didn't* do me the favor of providing advanced notice. |
| 07:16.36 | bibe | sanmarcos : run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-headers-2.6.16-1' |
| 07:16.51 | Dwonis | karsten, nse: note that smartmontools can give false negatives, but if it says there's a problem, then there IS a problem |
| 07:16.56 | sanmarcos | bibe: will do |
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| 07:17.12 | karsten | Dwonis: The short test can give false negatives. The long test is rarely wrong. |
| 07:17.21 | TraceGreen | shogunx, for some reasion, i can't modify anything in /dev |
| 07:17.29 | sanmarcos | bibe: clean output, nothing |
| 07:17.30 | Dwonis | I just think it's weird that he's getting an oops inside the sysfs readlink routine |
| 07:17.33 | karsten | Dwonis: The problem I've had is that the tests don't run to completion. That in itself is generally a red flag. |
| 07:17.33 | TraceGreen | shogunx, i use ndevfs to mount /dev |
| 07:17.34 | sanmarcos | bibe: I have debconf on low, btw |
| 07:17.37 | shogunx | TraceGreen you must do so as root. |
| 07:17.46 | TraceGreen | shogunx, yeah, i am in root |
| 07:18.00 | bibe | sanmarcos : try 'm-a prepare' now |
| 07:18.21 | karsten | Holy sh*t.... |
| 07:18.31 | sanmarcos | bibe: same error |
| 07:18.31 | karsten | 20879 |
| 07:18.38 | karsten | ... that's total packages with my current sources list. |
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| 07:19.09 | bibe | sanmarcos : sorry, no more ideas :-S |
| 07:19.11 | Dwonis | Debian is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. |
| 07:19.31 | nvz | !dstats etch |
| 07:19.36 | sanmarcos | bibe: this is why I dont use the debian kernel shit |
| 07:19.41 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 17202 packages, 1614 maintainers, 33956 MB installed size, 10767 MB compressed size. |
| 07:19.56 | liable | sanmarcos: if you have the kernel source,just copy your config into it and make prepare |
| 07:20.12 | Dwonis | karsten: thank you :) |
| 07:20.16 | sanmarcos | liable: I have kernel-image and headers |
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| 07:20.19 | bibe | sanmarcos : I always compile my kernel from debian sources, but I run x86 machines |
| 07:20.24 | karsten | Dwonis: You play to lose, don't you? |
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| 07:20.39 | Dwonis | karsten: hm? |
| 07:20.53 | sanmarcos | bibe: yeah anyways since I installed udev, it fucked everything up |
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| 07:20.57 | liable | sanmarcos: right, i saw unconfigured and thought source, my bad.. |
| 07:21.08 | karsten | Dwonis: Ford Prefect plays to lose, in THHGTTG. |
| 07:21.25 | sanmarcos | bibe: anyways, I think I found a solution |
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| 07:21.33 | Dwonis | karsten: I vaguely remember something about that... not enough to quote it, that's for sure |
| 07:22.13 | eject_ck | hi all can anybody help with adding tasksel tasks into /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc |
| 07:22.52 | karsten | Dwonis: http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Hitchhikers/00000012.htm |
| 07:23.17 | eject_ck | I added one but when i try install it I get error message : "Can't exec "/usr/lib/tasksel/packages/lam4": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/tasksel line 206. |
| 07:23.17 | eject_ck | Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/bin/tasksel line 206. |
| 07:23.17 | eject_ck | " |
| 07:23.19 | karsten | Once you started to lose you would probably keep losing, because one of the effects of Janx spirit is to depress telepsychic power. As soon as a predetermined quantity had been consumed, the final loser would have to perform a forfeit, which was usually obscenely biological. |
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| 07:23.44 | MatBoy | someone know that the k3bsetup display does not appear 100% ? |
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| 07:24.00 | sanmarcos | !lirc |
| 07:24.00 | dpkg | well, lirc is Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/, or now at http://www.lirc.org |
| 07:24.06 | sanmarcos | lirc is broken in sid |
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| 07:24.51 | sanmarcos | irssi |
| 07:25.14 | tarzeau | damn nvidia installer, it doesn't keep nvidia.ko of several kernels....? |
| 07:25.54 | shogunx | tarzeau, no, but it taints every last one it touches. |
| 07:26.03 | sanmarcos | !tell tarzeau about nvidia |
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| 07:26.15 | willwork4foo | !tell me about nvidia |
| 07:26.22 | tarzeau | shogunx: i did a find in /lib/modules and the 2.4 nvidia.o is is gone after i installed the 2.6 one |
| 07:26.31 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: that's not what i asked for |
| 07:26.44 | shogunx | tarzeau thats dirty bastardish. |
| 07:26.46 | willwork4foo | !tell me about nvidia installer |
| 07:26.50 | tarzeau | shogunx: yes hilarious |
| 07:27.09 | Mammut | I have a problem with SARG and "squidGuard Report" ... the output is onlylike This: @#$%^&*() |
| 07:27.11 | willwork4foo | !tell me about nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 07:27.18 | willwork4foo | erm... |
| 07:27.50 | willwork4foo | anyone tell me how I install nvidia's proprietary driver on my debian system if I am not meant to go and download it from nvidia directly? |
| 07:27.58 | shogunx | !tell willwork4foo about nvidia |
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| 07:28.04 | jm_ | !tell willwork4foo -about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:28.14 | cheal | !tell willwork4foo about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 07:28.50 | shogunx | wow, thats like nvidiaspamming him. |
| 07:29.21 | Dwonis | !nvidiasmite jm_, cheal, and shogunx |
| 07:29.25 | k31th | Anyone use Moodle ? |
| 07:29.34 | eject_ck | have anybody experience with /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc customizing |
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| 07:30.26 | Mammut | What means "speicherzugriffsfehler" when i Start SARG? debugging doesn't helps me ... ? |
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| 07:30.50 | bibe | I had a typo in a logrotate configuration file, and I'm here with a 30G apache log file. Is there a smart way to split this file into, say, 7 or 10 days chunks? |
| 07:31.07 | sanmarcos | bibe: logrotate |
| 07:31.37 | bibe | sanmarcos : are you saying I can use logrotate to split an existing log file? |
| 07:32.00 | sanmarcos | bibe: maybe, but I am sure there is some other utility |
| 07:32.11 | sanmarcos | bibe: such as split... |
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| 07:34.00 | dagbrown | I wish that gurgitate-mail was in Debian. |
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| 07:38.05 | iank | This: |
| 07:38.06 | iank | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lMesaGL |
| 07:38.08 | iank | Why? |
| 07:38.38 | SlammerXP | iank: i'll take a wild guess that you don't have the mesagl library installed. |
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| 07:38.50 | iank | Really? ;] |
| 07:38.54 | jm_ | SlammerXP: you were mentioned on Planet Debian ;) |
| 07:38.59 | SlammerXP | jm_: I was? |
| 07:39.04 | iank | I took a look through the package list and installed most anything I could find with the word 'mesa' in it, SlammerXP. |
| 07:39.10 | iank | I wouldn't be asking here otherwise. |
| 07:39.12 | apenguinlinux | SlammerXP, no its installed but not getting connected |
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| 07:39.37 | jm_ | SlammerXP: yup, courtesy of http://blog.halon.org.uk/ |
| 07:39.50 | SlammerXP | jm_: oh yes. I saw that. |
| 07:39.57 | SlammerXP | jm_: I was having a bit of a rant at the time :) |
| 07:40.28 | SlammerXP | jm_: but how did PD pick it up? |
| 07:42.18 | jm_ | SlammerXP: sorry I meant to say Debian Planet, his blog is also showing there |
| 07:42.25 | MatBoy | Is it now possible to talk here without registration ? |
| 07:42.27 | SlammerXP | oh I see. |
| 07:42.32 | sanmarcos | bah I cant wait to get my mac to dump this shit |
| 07:42.36 | SlammerXP | jm_: I think he's a debian maintainer |
| 07:42.41 | jm_ | SlammerXP: yup |
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| 07:43.39 | dondelelcaro | is anyone aware of a program like at that instead of running commands at a certain time, runs them when a certain condition is met? |
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| 07:44.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What sort of conditions? |
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| 07:45.15 | kristalino | dia, umlbrello, argouml, poseidon, do you know others tools to make UML diagramms ? |
| 07:45.18 | dondelelcaro | karsten: like network up, etc. basically, any script or command that returns 0 exit status |
| 07:45.20 | newdeb | can any1 help me with nvidia?please. |
| 07:45.20 | karsten | MatBoy: Yes. You can't /msg in general. |
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| 07:45.30 | dondelelcaro | newdeb: just ask your question. |
| 07:45.37 | r_marvin | dondelelcaro: how about " * * * * * [ condition ] && script " in crontab ? |
| 07:45.40 | cklaus | dondelelcaro, to be able to say, "a condition is met now.. " you have to continously check for it... so cron calling a script that checks if that condition is true is your program ^^ |
| 07:45.46 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What r_marvin said. |
| 07:46.02 | newdeb | i have done the command to install nvidia and updated my source list |
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| 07:46.08 | dondelelcaro | r_marvin: that would run it all the time; I want it to run once. |
| 07:46.13 | newdeb | it all installed but what next? |
| 07:46.16 | dondelelcaro | (thus the comparison to at) |
| 07:46.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Note that ifupdown has ifup.d and ifdown.d as well as /etc/network/interfaces hooks built into it. |
| 07:46.23 | cklaus | dondelelcaro, that wont work.. |
| 07:46.48 | r_marvin | dondelelcaro: it is all in the condition, you can check for a lockfile that appears after the first run |
| 07:46.49 | dondelelcaro | cklaus: the condition is met, then the subsequent commands are run. |
| 07:46.50 | r_marvin | or smth |
| 07:46.56 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You could suck on a pipe and wait for it to give you something. Otherwise, what r_marvin said: you're polling for something. |
| 07:46.58 | dondelelcaro | the implementation is trival. |
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| 07:47.10 | dondelelcaro | I just would rather not reimplement it if something already exists. |
| 07:47.10 | cklaus | dondelelcaro, you have to have something all the time running that checks for your conditions and triggers the specific operation then.. |
| 07:47.28 | r_marvin | sounds like cron to me :) |
| 07:47.47 | cklaus | not using cron sounds better uncommentable to me |
| 07:47.47 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Um. What do you have in mind then? No ideas, just very, very curious. |
| 07:47.52 | willwork4foo | schweeeeet. got nvidia working, graphics are now behaving themselves. |
| 07:47.57 | dondelelcaro | yes, how to do it is obvious; again, I'm looking for something like at that executes a command once only when a conditional is true; I can implement it fairly trivially if I have to, but I'd rather not. |
| 07:48.02 | karsten | willwork4foo: Joy ;-) |
| 07:48.14 | newdeb | !dpkg |
| 07:48.15 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
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| 07:48.37 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I guess what we don't see is how you know a condition is true, without running something to test the condition, repeatedly. |
| 07:48.47 | Dwonis | someone should get rid of that "you can not have a conversation with me" line... for entertainment purposes |
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| 07:48.58 | willwork4foo | wtf... alsamixer not found? |
| 07:49.00 | dondelelcaro | karsten: of course the condition has to be checked repeatedly; that's not the point... |
| 07:49.07 | willwork4foo | I guess I need to install that... |
| 07:49.18 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the how it has to be implemented is obvious |
| 07:49.21 | sep | dondelelcaro, it would depend on the condition. there are things like FAM that executes on certain file actions and similar. |
| 07:49.57 | dondelelcaro | sep: yes, I'm talking about general conditions, like 'foo' exit()s with 0, so I run bar, mailing output to MAILTO or LOGNAME |
| 07:50.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: In which case the * * * * * condition && command solution seems like the way to go. |
| 07:50.14 | newdeb | when i have installed nvidia how do i set it up? |
| 07:50.21 | cklaus | i guess he's talking about something to store that he actually performed the action (that was triggered by a true condition) and to therefore prevent it being executed everytime when the condition is true.. |
| 07:50.30 | streuner | !drxx newdeb |
| 07:50.30 | dpkg | newdeb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:50.33 | _ThePiratemaster | hi everyone, when u try to reinstall dpkg for it being defectife i am getting this during the configuration: "checking build system type... ./config.guess: |
| 07:50.33 | _ThePiratemaster | line 1: 26411 Segmentation fault rmdir $tmp 2>/dev/null". does this mean that part of my hardware is defective? what is /dev/null? |
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| 07:50.43 | dondelelcaro | karsten: no, becuase that'll execute it every time that condition is true, not only once. |
| 07:50.55 | newdeb | thanks |
| 07:50.56 | cklaus | weee ^^ |
| 07:51.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Point. |
| 07:51.13 | r_marvin | dondelelcaro: it's fairly trivial to make sure that the condition invalidates itself |
| 07:51.21 | dondelelcaro | if you're not familiar with 'at', little of what I'm asking for will make any sense at all. |
| 07:51.32 | willwork4foo | at = spawn of devil. |
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| 07:51.40 | r_marvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.43 | willwork4foo | at = not good news at all. cron > at in so many ways |
| 07:52.02 | dondelelcaro | willwork4foo: at solves a totally different problem than cron. They're distinct entities entirely. |
| 07:52.16 | willwork4foo | erm.... why is it that my normal user account cannot change the volume? |
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| 07:52.30 | dondelelcaro | willwork4foo: because you're not in the audio group. |
| 07:52.31 | Dwonis | willwork4foo: "adduser $USER audio" |
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| 07:52.42 | cklaus | willwork4foo, you dont have permissions for the mixer devices ? ,) |
| 07:52.45 | willwork4foo | aha. ok |
| 07:52.57 | sep | dondelelcaro, if this is a process you might be able to tweak keepalive into alerting you instead of restarting the process |
| 07:53.01 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... and either log out and back in, or 'newgrp audio' to test it. |
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| 07:53.05 | dondelelcaro | r_marvin: yes, now imagine that I want to have ~ 10 commands queued, with environment stored, and executing in a simple directory, and I don't want to edit my crontab all the time to do it. |
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| 07:53.16 | willwork4foo | erm... user is already a member of audio. |
| 07:53.27 | dondelelcaro | willwork4foo: do you have the right permissions on the mixer device? |
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| 07:53.41 | karsten | willwork4foo: batch == run something once whenever system load is sufficiently low. at == run something once at specified time. cron == run whenever the time condition is met. |
| 07:53.44 | willwork4foo | do I need to change them from their default? |
| 07:53.58 | dondelelcaro | willwork4foo: who knows? |
| 07:54.03 | karsten | willwork4foo: They're specific tools for specific tasks. |
| 07:54.11 | r_marvin | dondelelcaro: ok, make a bash script that does the cron stuff, but there's no need to rewrite cron functionality |
| 07:54.13 | karsten | willwork4foo: You shouldn't have to change audio /dev file perms, no. |
| 07:54.22 | willwork4foo | karsten: ok, fair enough. I just have bad experiences with at. |
| 07:54.35 | willwork4foo | karsten: so why the hell can't my normal user account change volume levels? |
| 07:54.40 | _ThePiratemaster | hi everyone, when u try to reinstall dpkg for it being defectife i am getting this during the configuration: "checking build system type... ./config.guess: |
| 07:54.40 | _ThePiratemaster | line 1: 26411 Segmentation fault rmdir $tmp 2>/dev/null". does this mean that part of my hardware is defective? what is /dev/null? |
| 07:55.00 | karsten | willwork4foo: See if you can do it as root. If you can, then it's almost certainly a permissions issue. |
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| 07:55.13 | r_marvin | willwork4foo: the user is not in the audio group (it hasn't write perm on /dev/mixer) |
| 07:55.16 | dondelelcaro | r_marvin: I know how to do it; that's not the point. I was asking if someone knew of a command like at but instead of using time checked conditionals. If you don't know, it's not a big deal. |
| 07:55.40 | r_marvin | damn friday morning :) |
| 07:55.50 | karsten | willwork4foo: Note that user group associations are set once, at login, unless you run 'newgrp' which spawns a new shell, and the groups settings only apply to *that* shell and any subprocesses. *Not* other pocesses already running. |
| 07:55.53 | willwork4foo | r_marvin: the user is in the audio group. |
| 07:56.03 | dondelelcaro | willwork4foo: what does id; return? |
| 07:56.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: My usual tack is to just run a shell loop: while ! condition; do sleep <n>; done; task |
| 07:56.40 | willwork4foo | uid=1000(bjdemora) gid=1000(bjdemora) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),1000(bjdemora) |
| 07:57.04 | dondelelcaro | karsten: right, but that ties up a shell, and doesn't send you output when it's finished |
| 07:57.25 | willwork4foo | I don't get it. I just tried to play something with mpg321 and I got: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 07:57.35 | karsten | dondelelcaro: 1. it doens't tie up a shell if you run it in batch and 2. it mails you output if you ask it to (or run it in batch). |
| 07:57.38 | willwork4foo | wtf? |
| 07:58.28 | newdeb | how do i update my source list please? |
| 07:58.47 | SerajewelKS | newdeb: apt-get update |
| 07:58.51 | willwork4foo | so - any ideas as to why I can't play audio on this system? |
| 07:59.00 | newdeb | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 07:59.00 | karsten | newdeb: aptitude update |
| 07:59.01 | SerajewelKS | willwork4foo: you haven't configured alsa? |
| 07:59.04 | willwork4foo | alsamixer shows everything to be fine - volume levels are all OK, etc |
| 07:59.11 | willwork4foo | SerajewelKS: did you see the error message I got? |
| 07:59.15 | ajayc | guys 915 mobo prob? |
| 07:59.17 | ajayc | ideas? |
| 07:59.21 | willwork4foo | I don't get it. I just tried to play something with mpg321 and I got: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 07:59.23 | SerajewelKS | willwork4foo: from mpg123? |
| 07:59.25 | ajayc | i cant get snd working? |
| 07:59.27 | karsten | !tell ajayc about smart questions |
| 07:59.45 | streuner | ajayc: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 07:59.45 | ajayc | okey |
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| 07:59.49 | willwork4foo | SerajewelKS: yes. and I also can't set the volume as a user |
| 07:59.49 | SerajewelKS | willwork4foo: yes. that usually means it can't talk to the sound card, the most typical reason being that neither alsa nor oss have been configured. |
| 07:59.54 | willwork4foo | right... |
| 07:59.55 | ajayc | well am not on debian now? |
| 08:00.07 | ajayc | but i cant get sound working on my laptop |
| 08:00.08 | willwork4foo | does debian 3.1 sarge use OSS or alsa by default |
| 08:00.14 | ajayc | it has 915 gl |
| 08:00.19 | SerajewelKS | willwork4foo: alsa |
| 08:00.20 | karsten | willwork4foo: alsa |
| 08:00.27 | Dwonis | willwork4foo: alsa, if you use the 2.6 kernel |
| 08:00.30 | karsten | willwork4foo: oss == old, bad, evil. |
| 08:00.33 | SerajewelKS | willwork4foo: have you run 'alsaconf' recently? |
| 08:00.36 | willwork4foo | thank god for that. at least it's not using a deprecated sound architecture. |
| 08:00.43 | karsten | willwork4foo: Heh. |
| 08:00.53 | newdeb | how do i point aptitude at mirrors?please |
| 08:01.12 | SerajewelKS | newdeb: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:01.18 | karsten | newdeb: Same way as apt. Set up /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 08:01.22 | karsten | newdeb: man sources.list |
| 08:01.29 | newdeb | thanks again |
| 08:01.50 | ajayc | does sarge has problem with 915 gl? |
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| 08:02.31 | karsten | ajayc: If it's supported in mainstream Linux kernel, no. |
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| 08:02.45 | karsten | ajayc: That said, no specific knowledge of that chipset. |
| 08:02.52 | ajayc | does anyone here got 915? |
| 08:03.04 | karsten | !tell ajayc about polls |
| 08:03.08 | karsten | !tell ajayc about repeat |
| 08:03.13 | karsten | !tell ajayc about smart questions |
| 08:03.17 | karsten | !tell ajayc about google |
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| 08:03.22 | streuner | karten: |
| 08:03.26 | StijnT | :p |
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| 08:03.36 | karsten | ajayc: Please go somewhere and do proper research. We apparently don't have an answer for you. |
| 08:03.41 | streuner | ajayc: we need some infos |
| 08:03.54 | ajayc | :D |
| 08:03.55 | ajayc | ok |
| 08:04.00 | streuner | ajayc: otherwise we can't help |
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| 08:04.11 | _ThePiratemaster | hi everyone, when u try to reinstall dpkg for it being defectife i am getting this during the configuration: "checking build system type... ./config.guess: |
| 08:04.11 | _ThePiratemaster | line 1: 26411 Segmentation fault rmdir $tmp 2>/dev/null". does this mean that part of my hardware is defective? what is /dev/null? |
| 08:04.15 | willwork4foo | now this is truly a new experience. I am looking at mpg321 happily playing my music, and another terminal window with alsamixer telling me the volumee is up and not muted, and I am still not hearing anything. |
| 08:04.17 | _ThePiratemaster | that enough info? |
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| 08:04.44 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: /dev/null is a pseudo-device that eats anything you write to it |
| 08:05.03 | _ThePiratemaster | a fictive one? |
| 08:05.08 | willwork4foo | anyone got any ideas? because I'm lost now... there doesn't seem to be anything going wrong and yet I still hear nothing |
| 08:05.13 | karsten | _ThePiratemaster: /dev/null is a "bit bucket". It's a place to send output you don't want. In this case, you're seeing an error message where a temp directory is being deleted with error output pointed to /dev/null. |
| 08:05.26 | karsten | willwork4foo: Have you tried logging out and back in? |
| 08:05.33 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: wtf is "fictive" |
| 08:05.38 | willwork4foo | karsten: I've rebooted. |
| 08:05.40 | karsten | willwork4foo: Also: lsmod and post to paster. /msg dpkg paster |
| 08:05.48 | karsten | willwork4foo: That would be sufficient. |
| 08:05.50 | karsten | eject_ck: |
| 08:05.52 | _ThePiratemaster | that if i open my case i wont see the "null" chip |
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| 08:06.06 | _ThePiratemaster | caz its physicly non-excistent |
| 08:06.08 | karsten | willwork4foo: Any hardware volume controls involved? Make sure you're not muted. |
| 08:06.14 | cklaus | _ThePiratemaster, yes.. pseudo-device means there is nothing physically attached |
| 08:06.20 | willwork4foo | karsten: definitely not muted. |
| 08:06.28 | willwork4foo | one moment - copying module list to pastebin now |
| 08:06.28 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: it's a pseudo-device. it does not exist, but it behaves like one. |
| 08:06.36 | _ThePiratemaster | but then what explains my horrofic segmentation eorros? |
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| 08:06.54 | _ThePiratemaster | *errors |
| 08:06.56 | karsten | willwork4foo: lsof and fuser may tell you if anything's using any audio files. |
| 08:06.56 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: probably the fact that you're trying to compile dpkg |
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| 08:07.04 | willwork4foo | http://pastebin.com/686536 |
| 08:07.13 | _ThePiratemaster | i know, but why doesnt it just compile |
| 08:07.27 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: why do you need to compile it anyway |
| 08:07.43 | karsten | _ThePiratemaster: 'strace' may be able to tell you what's going on. |
| 08:07.57 | karsten | _ThePiratemaster: If you don't know how to debug a compile, you may be in over your head. |
| 08:08.02 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i really don't think the intellect level here could handle strace |
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| 08:08.13 | karsten | _ThePiratemaster: And you should be asking on the support channel of the package you're building rather than here. |
| 08:08.15 | _ThePiratemaster | caz i get some craze errors from it and i belive its totaly f**ked up, like a number of other applications |
| 08:08.17 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Yathink? |
| 08:08.31 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: probably some library is damaged then |
| 08:08.41 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Maybe if he ran 'strace ./compile > /dev/null' ? |
| 08:08.48 | _ThePiratemaster | maybe its one of the librairies but i dunno where the poggs op dpkg are |
| 08:09.04 | cklaus | ^^ karsten |
| 08:09.13 | SerajewelKS | karsten: if he's asking about "null chips" i don't think strace is going to help him much |
| 08:09.27 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I know. |
| 08:09.46 | newdeb | is there anybody know a good site to get documentation for commands?? |
| 08:09.55 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: your best bet here is going to be to reinstall |
| 08:09.56 | _ThePiratemaster | i know theres no such thing as a null-hardware i was using that to indicate that i meant with fictive |
| 08:09.58 | SerajewelKS | newdeb: man commandname |
| 08:10.11 | newdeb | ah ok thanks |
| 08:10.14 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: fictive is not an english word |
| 08:10.21 | Inkvisit1r | how can I get "mount: .. , reason given by server: Permission Denied" when the server allows everyone access !? |
| 08:10.41 | _ThePiratemaster | well english is not my language and thats not really the point here i think |
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| 08:10.54 | SerajewelKS | Inkvisit1r: just because files a world-readable doesn't mean an NFS export is world-mountable |
| 08:10.58 | dani | hello everyone |
| 08:11.04 | _ThePiratemaster | does anyone got any idea on how to fid out what lib is broken? |
| 08:11.06 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: Webster thinks otherwise |
| 08:11.10 | thoreauputic | SerajewelKS: *cough* dict fictive >> Feigned; counterfeit. "The fount of fictive tears." |
| 08:11.15 | cklaus | actually, fictive _is_ an english word.. but whatever |
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| 08:11.23 | Inkvisit1r | SerajewelKS: I have <world>(ro) in exports |
| 08:11.24 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: the point is that you're trying to fix a bloody nose by putting a bandaid on your foot. |
| 08:11.27 | thoreauputic | SerajewelKS: get your facts straight before being pedantic |
| 08:11.31 | karsten | willwork4foo: That looks reasonably sane. |
| 08:11.38 | Inkvisit1r | the NFS server really allows anyone to mount it |
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| 08:11.43 | willwork4foo | karsten: it should do. |
| 08:11.44 | streuner | SerajewelKS: :-) |
| 08:11.45 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, check /etc/hosts.* |
| 08:11.46 | evaded | _The_ question: Is it good to use cvs for little projects? I'm a bit confused with cvs and subversion. Actually i experiment a bit with the two but not know wich one i need. I know what i need now, but i look for the future. Currently i read the cvsbook again :-/ |
| 08:11.47 | dani | does anybody knows what the "frame" value return by ifconfig means? |
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| 08:12.06 | _ThePiratemaster | well thank god i came here so you can tell me that, what do i do? |
| 08:12.09 | Inkvisit1r | right.. I will just add the world to hosts.allow |
| 08:12.15 | SerajewelKS | thoreauputic: thank you for the info, you almost got a thanks until that last remark |
| 08:12.20 | willwork4foo | right - I am STILL not getting any audio, when trying to play it as ROOT USER |
| 08:12.22 | Inkvisit1r | gotta open wide to debug this thing |
| 08:12.41 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, .... actually do not block the NFS processes (portmap ...) |
| 08:12.43 | karsten | evaded: The svnbook is available online, and I'd recommned svn over cvs. |
| 08:12.54 | karsten | willwork4foo: Ok, that tends to rule out perms. |
| 08:13.01 | Inkvisit1r | what do you mean "block" ? |
| 08:13.08 | thoreauputic | SerajewelKS: heheh - fair enough - my apologies :) |
| 08:13.10 | cahoot | willwork4foo: the digital output jack isn't enabled by chance? |
| 08:13.21 | willwork4foo | cahoot: how on earth would I find that out? |
| 08:13.26 | evaded | karsten: hhhm, go to it ;-) So can i forget that cvs then? No need to continue with it? |
| 08:13.31 | cahoot | willwork4foo: alsaixer |
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| 08:13.34 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, you have to explicitly set 'portmap'' in /etc/hosts.* --- see manual pages |
| 08:13.36 | cahoot | willwork4foo: alsamixer |
| 08:13.42 | willwork4foo | cahoot: I am looking at alsamixer now... |
| 08:13.46 | SerajewelKS | thoreauputic: np.. honestly i've never heard of that word. sounded like a cross between "fiction" and "addictive". |
| 08:13.51 | Inkvisit1r | yeah I am doing that |
| 08:14.02 | thoreauputic | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 08:14.06 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: i already suggested you reinstall |
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| 08:14.15 | _ThePiratemaster | does anyone know where the DPKG logs are stored? |
| 08:14.26 | karsten | evaded: Yeah. Many of the commands are similar. I've used svn a tad, also mercurial. There's currently a surfeit of revision control systems out there. |
| 08:14.26 | willwork4foo | cahoot: I don't see anything that suggests it might be digital out |
| 08:14.28 | streuner | are there any? |
| 08:14.32 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: if a library is borked, then the only real way to fix it is going to be booting from external media, mounting your / from there and fixing it |
| 08:14.32 | Inkvisit1r | ok so I have portmap: ALL *, mountd: ALL *, and *(ro) in exports .. server still say permission denied! |
| 08:14.37 | karsten | willwork4foo: find /dev/ -group audio |
| 08:14.41 | jaalto | _ThePiratemaster, /var/lib/dpkg (use 'locate' + grep) |
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| 08:14.48 | SerajewelKS | _ThePiratemaster: dpkg does not make logs on sarge by default |
| 08:14.50 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... and run that through 'fuser' to see if anyone's got stuff open. |
| 08:14.50 | _ThePiratemaster | tnx |
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| 08:15.01 | Inkvisit1r | I have allowed port 111 in my firewall too |
| 08:15.04 | willwork4foo | how do I run that through fuser |
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| 08:15.08 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.35 | _ThePiratemaster | serajewels, i didnt ask that |
| 08:15.35 | karsten | willwork4foo: ... possibly pipe through less if you get a lot of output. |
| 08:15.35 | willwork4foo | karsten: nothing came back from that. |
| 08:15.39 | karsten | willwork4foo: Hrm. |
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| 08:16.03 | evaded | karsten: Yes, i have also find some other revision systems :-/ That's why i'm a bit confused now. But i go to that svnbook. Thanks for you're informations :-) |
| 08:16.10 | willwork4foo | I'm going to reboot into windows on that system to prove to myself that the sound still works. I am sure it does, but I just want to prove it to myself. |
| 08:16.18 | peej | jm_ : actually the only thing wrong with the iptables line was having source and dest the wrong way round. Conceptually it was pretty ok otherwise. |
| 08:16.22 | karsten | willwork4foo: Good news is it probably means something else isn't blocking you. |
| 08:16.33 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, I assume you also ran: exportfs -rav |
| 08:17.02 | Inkvisit1r | jaalto: yes |
| 08:17.19 | evaded | willwork4foo: I have not follow you're conversation. But i _try_ some time with Knoppix for example when i have not M$ on that computer |
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| 08:17.30 | jm_ | peej: no, the order of -s and -d doesn't matter |
| 08:17.48 | Inkvisit1r | so why is it giving me this permission denied bullshit |
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| 08:18.02 | _ThePiratemaster | if the same librairy keeps breaking down all the time, could that be the result of refective emory banks? |
| 08:18.11 | _ThePiratemaster | *memory |
| 08:18.28 | willwork4foo | evaded: meh. I am going to give this a go in windows. I KNOW it works there. |
| 08:18.36 | evaded | _ThePiratemaster: Test you're memory?? |
| 08:18.45 | peej | evaded: don't use tla - very powerful, but user-hostile for now. |
| 08:18.50 | _ThePiratemaster | i cant take the server offline |
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| 08:18.59 | _ThePiratemaster | i need to be sure it could be that |
| 08:19.06 | karsten | peej: What about the arch alternatives? |
| 08:19.07 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, All services are up? rpcinfo -p | egrep '(nfs|mount|portmap)' |
| 08:19.07 | _ThePiratemaster | before i turn it off |
| 08:19.07 | zzz | Hi! I have an image of a harddisk (made like dd if=/dev/hda of=...). How can i mount it? It contains some partition. If there would be only one partition i could mount it with -o loop, but what can i do in this case? |
| 08:19.21 | karsten | zzz: You have to specify a partition offset. |
| 08:19.24 | evaded | peej: I guess you're miss the person |
| 08:19.31 | zzz | karsten: how can i do it? |
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| 08:19.35 | karsten | zzz: One sec. |
| 08:19.42 | zzz | karsten: thanks. |
| 08:19.43 | newdeb | what do i configure grub with please? |
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| 08:19.52 | Inkvisit1r | jaalto: yeah.. but I think it does this because of me being behind a firewall . I have ip 192.168.0.1 |
| 08:19.56 | willwork4foo | newdeb: vi |
| 08:19.58 | SerajewelKS | newdeb: edit /boot/menu.lst |
| 08:20.01 | karsten | zzz: fdisk -u <file> will give sector sizes. |
| 08:20.04 | newdeb | #thanks |
| 08:20.04 | jaalto | evaded, bzr is best at the moment - Is developed by Canonical (Ubuntu) team |
| 08:20.07 | Inkvisit1r | no I have 192.168.0.100, and the firewall has a real ip |
| 08:20.17 | evaded | newdeb: Make an copy of the file before editing. |
| 08:20.29 | newdeb | evaded, yes lol |
| 08:20.33 | Inkvisit1r | if I switch it around so my comp has a real ip, then it works just fine |
| 08:20.45 | karsten | zzz: man mount and look for loopback and offset values. |
| 08:20.51 | karsten | zzz: man losetup as well. |
| 08:20.54 | SerajewelKS | Inkvisit1r: is the server behind the firewall or is your computer the client |
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| 08:21.06 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, It's easy to test: disable firewall completely to see that the problem is not there |
| 08:21.09 | Inkvisit1r | the client is behind firewall. server is not behind a firewall |
| 08:21.11 | zzz | karsten: why do i need sector sizes? It' s 512 by default, isn' t it? |
| 08:21.11 | evaded | jaalto: bzr ?? I not find it here with the search |
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| 08:21.37 | Inkvisit1r | jaalto: that's what I did. if I bypass the firewall and give my comp a real ip. then it works |
| 08:21.38 | SerajewelKS | Inkvisit1r: unless the firewall is stupid, things should work... |
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| 08:21.58 | Inkvisit1r | the firewall could .. unfortunately be stupid. it's a D-Link AP |
| 08:22.15 | karsten | zzz: fdisk normally reports in arbitrary units of some multiplier * 512. |
| 08:22.21 | karsten | zzz: '-u' standardizes that. |
| 08:22.23 | jaalto | evaded, bzr is in unstable |
| 08:22.27 | SerajewelKS | granted i don't know a lot about how NFS works on the IP level |
| 08:22.46 | evaded | jaalto: aha, ok, running Stable here ;-) |
| 08:22.49 | karsten | zzz: I worked this out once and documented it, but that was $PRIOR_FIRM. |
| 08:22.50 | jc750kwak | I have downloaded a deb file to my home directory. How do I install it ? Dselect and synaptic keep wanting to search the repositories but I want to install this local file |
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| 08:22.57 | karsten | zzz: ... and it's on the internal wiki. |
| 08:23.08 | karsten | jc750kwak: dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 08:23.10 | zzz | karsten: oh, i c. And can i use this iso file in the same way with fdisk than /dev/hda for example? |
| 08:23.13 | Inkvisit1r | NFS somehow figures out I'm not on the firewalled ip :P |
| 08:23.21 | SerajewelKS | zzz: even if you only had one partition, you would still need an offset, since there's still a partition table on the front of the image |
| 08:23.26 | karsten | zzz: Right. 'fdisk -lu <file>' |
| 08:23.37 | jc750kwak | karsten: cheers mate !!!!!!!! |
| 08:23.50 | karsten | zzz: I think uml might have some docs on this. |
| 08:23.53 | karsten | jc750kwak: NP. |
| 08:23.57 | zzz | ok, thanks, i bet from now i' ll do it after reading mans. |
| 08:23.58 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, Sp the 192.* segment is local LAN and the NFS is outside of LAN? |
| 08:24.11 | Inkvisit1r | yeah jaalto |
| 08:24.23 | SerajewelKS | zzz: see losetup --offset |
| 08:24.32 | peej | jm_ : correct. I was unclear - I meant I had the idea that --sport was what --dport was and vice versa. Very Humpty-Dumpty style (When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.') |
| 08:24.32 | karsten | zzz: http://www.mega-tokyo.com/osfaq2/index.php/Disk%20Images%20Under%20Linux |
| 08:24.48 | karsten | zzz: losetup makes this pretty easy. |
| 08:24.58 | karsten | zzz: I just forget the easy part... ;-) |
| 08:24.59 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, Classic case. There is nothing you can do. The 192.* is not Internet visible |
| 08:25.12 | peej | jm_ : but your solution (to rtfm) was quite valid ;-) |
| 08:25.20 | karsten | jaalto: touche. |
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| 08:25.38 | Inkvisit1r | jaalto: but I thought the AP made it look like everything comes from the firewalled ip? |
| 08:25.41 | willwork4foo | right. Sound DEFINITELY works - have tested in windows. This sound card has worked fine before on every other version of Linux I've ever used, so it MUST be something weird that Debian is doing. |
| 08:25.55 | willwork4foo | is sound disabled by default on 3.1r2 netinstall setups? |
| 08:26.01 | willwork4foo | am using the 2.6 kernel |
| 08:26.07 | Inkvisit1r | but maybe it can't deliver the response from NFS to the right internal ip ? |
| 08:26.09 | SerajewelKS | willwork4foo: did you run alsaconf like i told you to like 15 minutes ago? |
| 08:26.15 | willwork4foo | SerajewelKS: yes. |
| 08:26.19 | cahoot | willwork4foo: you have unmuted? |
| 08:26.26 | willwork4foo | cahoot: it was NOT muted. |
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| 08:26.34 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, You have rerouted all connection from AP to your 192.* client? Then it sould work |
| 08:26.35 | willwork4foo | nothing, at any point, has been muted. |
| 08:26.44 | evaded | willwork4foo: Is alsa or oss been installed and configued? |
| 08:27.01 | karsten | willwork4foo: FWIW, I can't play stuff right now (could a few days ago, same system, no reboot), but I can get mike feedback. |
| 08:27.01 | willwork4foo | evaded: alsa has been installed and I have run alsaconf to configure it. |
| 08:27.02 | jm_ | peej: right, now ports are a different thing, but doing that means you block replies, not requests |
| 08:27.11 | Inkvisit1r | yeah I have tried that jaalto .. I've had no real luck though |
| 08:27.19 | shogunx | Inkvisit1r you are going to need to open udp ports on the firewall. |
| 08:27.20 | willwork4foo | karsten: that helps me a great deal. no, really, it does. thanks... |
| 08:27.20 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, Does your AP have DNAT? |
| 08:27.21 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 08:27.30 | Inkvisit1r | it has NAT |
| 08:27.38 | Inkvisit1r | it's a D-Link DI-624 |
| 08:27.43 | evaded | willwork4foo: As root user 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' hear you some things? |
| 08:27.55 | willwork4foo | evaded: no. |
| 08:28.08 | Inkvisit1r | wireless access point.. fairly new device.. it should be capable ! |
| 08:28.08 | evaded | willwork4foo: I guess it's not good setup or somethings goes wrong |
| 08:28.28 | willwork4foo | evaded: ya think???? |
| 08:28.38 | newdeb | evaded, how do i stop the noise lol please |
| 08:28.43 | evaded | willwork4foo: The oss sound module are been _not_ loaded? To prevent some troubles |
| 08:28.50 | evaded | newdeb: ^c |
| 08:29.05 | newdeb | evaded, phew thanks |
| 08:29.06 | evaded | newdeb: Control+c |
| 08:29.14 | willwork4foo | evaded: the oss modules ARE loaded. |
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| 08:29.17 | willwork4foo | just discovered that. |
| 08:29.19 | willwork4foo | wtf??? |
| 08:29.22 | shogunx | willwork4foo alsamixer sees the card? |
| 08:29.32 | willwork4foo | shogunx: yes. |
| 08:29.40 | evaded | willwork4foo: There are an need to not load it or sound are messed |
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| 08:29.44 | citral | how can I see how much memory one process eats? (not in %) |
| 08:29.54 | willwork4foo | I've got these two that mention oss: snd_pcm_oss 48168 0 |
| 08:29.54 | willwork4foo | snd_mixer_oss 16640 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 08:29.59 | evaded | willwork4foo: I mean oss module and that of alsw |
| 08:30.02 | shogunx | willwork4foo, and pcm and master are non-zero? |
| 08:30.07 | evaded | s/alsw/alsa |
| 08:30.10 | willwork4foo | shogunx: yes. |
| 08:30.32 | evaded | willwork4foo: You been use alsa? Right? |
| 08:30.38 | willwork4foo | evaded: yes |
| 08:30.39 | jaalto | citral, top -b -p PID |
| 08:30.56 | evaded | willwork4foo: So you need to not load the oss module |
| 08:31.06 | cahoot | willwork4foo: paste /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 08:31.42 | newdeb | how do i bring the menu back up from the install? |
| 08:31.58 | karsten | newdeb: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 08:32.02 | evaded | newdeb: Which one you mean? The 'tasksel'?? |
| 08:32.09 | newdeb | evaded, yes |
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| 08:32.26 | Inkvisit1r | I have even used DMZ (Demilitarized Zone) on the AP so the internal ip 192.168.0.100 is exposed to the internet. but I still get permission denied from the NFS server |
| 08:32.42 | citral | ok thanks |
| 08:32.52 | willwork4foo | here you go - all 2,160 lines of it... http://pastebin.com/686563 |
| 08:32.59 | karsten | willwork4foo: Re-running alsaconf fixed my problem. |
| 08:33.09 | willwork4foo | karsten: I might try that. although I've already re-run it twice. |
| 08:33.14 | karsten | willwork4foo: Hrm. |
| 08:33.15 | shogunx | Inkvisit1r you sure you have the right mountpoint on the nfs server? |
| 08:33.35 | shogunx | Inkvisit1r and that it exports to your ip, and all that? |
| 08:33.58 | Inkvisit1r | yeah I've checked it many times :) |
| 08:34.53 | willwork4foo | just re-ran alsaconf again, still no joy. |
| 08:35.00 | willwork4foo | wtf?????? |
| 08:35.00 | shogunx | Inkvisit1r works with no NAT? |
| 08:35.14 | karsten | willwork4foo: :-( |
| 08:35.32 | karsten | willwork4foo: Sorry. I pretty much _still_ just stumble around this sound stuff. |
| 08:35.36 | Inkvisit1r | yeah if I bypass the AP and get a real ip it works |
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| 08:35.52 | evaded | willwork4foo: You have say that the oss module are also loaded. Is that not you're problem?? |
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| 08:35.56 | mutante | when i apt-get upgrade, and it upgrades a few packages succesfully but also " following packages have been kept back" quite many. how can i find out more about the reason why they are being kept back |
| 08:36.17 | shogunx | Inkvisit1r get your self a prism2 or atheros chipset wifi card and make you own ap on the same box:) |
| 08:36.20 | willwork4foo | evaded: I don't know. |
| 08:36.37 | Inkvisit1r | I have an atheros chipset card |
| 08:36.44 | shogunx | willwork4foo does aumix do anything? |
| 08:36.45 | Inkvisit1r | and madwifi |
| 08:36.47 | cheal | !tell mutante about kept back |
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| 08:37.01 | newdeb | so how do i get tasksel runnin again? |
| 08:37.06 | willwork4foo | shogunx: command not found |
| 08:37.07 | shogunx | Inkvisit1r then why use an ap? |
| 08:37.09 | evaded | willwork4foo: I think that normally you may not have the oss module loaded when you use asla. Otherwise you got the problem you have. Try to not load it, just as test |
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| 08:37.19 | mutante | ah,thanks bot;) |
| 08:37.22 | shogunx | willwork4foo apt-get install aumix |
| 08:37.32 | evaded | newdeb: As root 'tasksel' |
| 08:37.42 | Inkvisit1r | shogunx: because it's easier and I don't have to pull any cable |
| 08:37.43 | newdeb | evaded, thanks |
| 08:38.03 | shogunx | evaded perhaps oss is functional already. |
| 08:38.22 | Inkvisit1r | do you think D-Link support would actually help me? |
| 08:38.24 | evaded | shogunx: I not know :-/ |
| 08:38.34 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: For?? |
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| 08:38.49 | Inkvisit1r | answering why their AP blocks NFS |
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| 08:38.58 | willwork4foo | right - aumix is now in front of me |
| 08:39.21 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: It's and 'di-624+'?? |
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| 08:39.31 | Inkvisit1r | no it's an DI-6245 |
| 08:39.32 | Inkvisit1r | err |
| 08:39.34 | Inkvisit1r | no it's an DI-624 |
| 08:39.35 | willwork4foo | and it seems to be fine. it is telling me that everything is working OK |
| 08:39.42 | shogunx | aumix pcm and vol are non zero. try mpg321 $mp3file |
| 08:39.46 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: I have the same here |
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| 08:39.59 | Inkvisit1r | well .. do you have problems with NAT on it ? |
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| 08:40.12 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: Oh it's without that '+', i not know if that matter |
| 08:40.39 | Inkvisit1r | maybe I can upgrade the firmware .. but it said warranty void if I use the US firmware |
| 08:40.41 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: The AP are connected to my switch :-) |
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| 08:40.59 | Inkvisit1r | evaded: can you mount nfs behind it ? |
| 08:41.04 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, My suggestion: leave NFS alone for a while and try to seup an SSH server in your LAN, to which you connect from outside. If you can get that working, then it's matter of doing the same for NFS. Only the ports are different when you configure AP |
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| 08:41.23 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: I have not try it :-/ |
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| 08:41.34 | Inkvisit1r | I have set up portforwarding for ssh already. it works great |
| 08:41.36 | csalad | hy all |
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| 08:41.54 | Inkvisit1r | but I fear NFS is more complex |
| 08:42.00 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: I'm a bit to noob with networking, but interesting |
| 08:42.00 | cahoot | willwork4foo: does grep -A 5 -i jack /var/lib/alsa/asound.state return anything? |
| 08:42.03 | Inkvisit1r | the mountd uses dynamic ports |
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| 08:42.29 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, Hm. |
| 08:42.46 | willwork4foo | name 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' |
| 08:42.46 | willwork4foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.46 | willwork4foo | name 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' |
| 08:42.46 | willwork4foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.46 | willwork4foo | ame 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' |
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| 08:43.00 | willwork4foo | did you get that? |
| 08:43.06 | cahoot | willwork4foo: yes looks good |
| 08:43.20 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: The WAN port i not use it on it, like it's connected to an switch. It's for when i change of appartement |
| 08:43.43 | cahoot | willwork4foo: I'd try up the Surround Playback Volume to test |
| 08:43.57 | Inkvisit1r | I have it for the same reason evaded :) |
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| 08:44.36 | csalad | hy |
| 08:44.42 | csalad | i've a q |
| 08:44.46 | csalad | hallllllllo |
| 08:44.47 | csalad | ? |
| 08:45.01 | shogunx | ack |
| 08:45.05 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: I tcheck the nfs things this weekend or begin next week, i need to do first some things but i not it on my 'to do' list |
| 08:45.07 | newdeb | csalad, just ask |
| 08:45.11 | csalad | ohh endich |
| 08:45.19 | evaded | s/not/note |
| 08:45.19 | csalad | ok ok |
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| 08:45.40 | Inkvisit1r | hehe ok evaded. I'll hang around in this channel |
| 08:45.45 | csalad | how can i format dvd? |
| 08:45.51 | csalad | without any prg? |
| 08:46.06 | mutante | csalad: i think mkisofs |
| 08:46.06 | jm_ | csalad: why would you want to format it? |
| 08:46.18 | evaded | Inkvisit1r: Same case, i'm always busy, but, i'm always here ;-) |
| 08:46.26 | SlammerXP | format f: /u /s |
| 08:46.30 | berzerka | hello #debian. which editor/pager/whatever shows me the windows carriage returns. i am on a linux system and want to make sure no files contain \r's, but emacs seems simply not to display them. |
| 08:46.46 | csalad | nono... |
| 08:46.47 | r_marvin | csalad: dvdrecord -blank or growisofs (see the manpages for both) |
| 08:46.54 | willwork4foo | this sound still doesn't work. |
| 08:46.58 | willwork4foo | I don't get it |
| 08:47.07 | csalad | in kde |
| 08:47.09 | evaded | berzerka: You need to look to 'tr' or so if you want to convert to |
| 08:47.11 | csalad | without bash |
| 08:47.16 | r_marvin | csalad: k3b |
| 08:47.23 | csalad | i know |
| 08:47.26 | csalad | but. |
| 08:47.32 | csalad | without it? |
| 08:47.34 | evaded | !tell csalad about enter |
| 08:47.40 | newdeb | willwork4foo, you are trying hard thou |
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| 08:47.41 | mutante | without any GUI app AND without bash is getting hard |
| 08:48.01 | r_marvin | csalad: take it out of the unit and STARE at it real hard |
| 08:48.10 | r_marvin | i've seen it done by superman once |
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| 08:48.12 | csalad | impossible? |
| 08:48.13 | r_marvin | duh |
| 08:48.21 | shogunx | willwork4foo dude. if alsamixer AND aumix work, there is a confilct between the two sound systems. you must choose, and remove the modules for the discarded choice. |
| 08:48.23 | mutante | csalad: why cant you just open an xterm |
| 08:48.40 | csalad | ? |
| 08:48.44 | berzerka | evaded: well, thanks looks like a useful tool, originally wanted to do it with sed. thing is that i want to find out 'whether' a file contains \r's in advance (by looking at it). |
| 08:48.45 | willwork4foo | the two sound systems being oss and alsa? |
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| 08:48.53 | shogunx | csalad 400 grit emory cloth. it will do it up right for you |
| 08:48.59 | r_marvin | csalad: what do you mean by "without any program" ? |
| 08:48.59 | evaded | shogunx: I have already say it him 2 times to remove that oss module, or to test it without it. But ... |
| 08:49.09 | csalad | shogun? |
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| 08:49.14 | mutante | dvdrecord -blank is not really much to type |
| 08:49.18 | shogunx | evaded either one really. oss or alsa. |
| 08:49.19 | newdeb | willwork4foo, silly question but are ur speakers pleeged n on? |
| 08:49.29 | newdeb | plugged in |
| 08:49.40 | willwork4foo | newdeb: I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. |
| 08:49.44 | csalad | i use k3b... |
| 08:49.45 | evaded | shogunx: Yes i know, but not him it's looks |
| 08:49.47 | csalad | never mind |
| 08:49.56 | newdeb | <hangs head in shame |
| 08:50.04 | csalad | it was a strike me and my friend |
| 08:50.16 | cahoot | newdeb: don't it'sa known error |
| 08:50.18 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, I do not use NFS myself accross internet, but I found this if it's of any further help http://fritz.potsdam.edu/man/nfs/nfs_firewall.html |
| 08:50.30 | csalad | " how can i format a dvd w.out k3b and bash..." |
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| 08:50.58 | willwork4foo | so - does debian come installed by default with buttf*cked sound or is it just me that's unlucky |
| 08:51.01 | mutante | starting dvdrecord from the ash shell?;) |
| 08:51.02 | MatBoy | csalad, did you ahve any problem with the k3bsetup ? |
| 08:51.16 | csalad | no |
| 08:51.23 | jaalto | Inkvisit1r, I do not know if it is possible to fix port numbers under Debian |
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| 08:51.37 | newdeb | willwork4foo, do u have onboard sound or more than 1 card in? |
| 08:51.37 | Shadowcat | fix port numbers? |
| 08:51.41 | Shadowcat | what's he trying to do? |
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| 08:51.50 | cahoot | willwork4foo: since you have all devices andno error msg it must be a matter of mixer settings |
| 08:51.54 | evaded | willwork4foo: You have say me that the oss module are been loaded while you use alsa. So remove that oss module and you're case are closed |
| 08:52.01 | willwork4foo | it is NOT MIXER SETTINGS |
| 08:52.10 | cahoot | willwork4foo: cool it |
| 08:52.12 | jaalto | Shad0wcat, "to use fixed port numbers for NFS" |
| 08:52.15 | csalad | by |
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| 08:52.33 | evaded | It's look that willwork4foo are /ignore me |
| 08:52.37 | jaalto | s/fixed/hard coded/ |
| 08:52.45 | Inkvisit1r | ok thanks jaalto |
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| 08:53.04 | evaded | No matters, i continue to my work ;-0 |
| 08:53.35 | mucher | can't install mplayer eventhought i have 'non-free contrib' in sources.list. E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate. What can be wrong? |
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| 08:53.51 | Shadowcat | mplayer isn't in debian, that's what's wrong |
| 08:54.00 | evaded | mucher: Marillat?? |
| 08:54.04 | cahoot | mucher: try /msg dpkg marillat |
| 08:54.30 | mucher | cahoot: thks, that should be it. |
| 08:54.38 | mutante | Shadowcat: deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/ ./ |
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| 08:54.48 | mutante | for sources.list |
| 08:55.01 | Shadowcat | I'm not the one with the problem |
| 08:55.06 | Shadowcat | sigh.... doesn't anybody read around here? |
| 08:55.40 | shogunx | Shadowcat I'm reading "Secrets of the Temple" about the Federal Reserve System. |
| 08:55.44 | azeem | Shadowcat: this is a very crowded channels. Errors like these are likely to happen |
| 08:55.54 | azeem | s/channels/channel/ |
| 08:56.03 | mutante | Ok, s/Shadowcat/mucher |
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| 08:56.53 | mutante | mucher: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg01633.html |
| 08:57.10 | mucher | got this error fr the marillat repo. |
| 08:57.11 | mucher | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 08:57.48 | deepak_ | hi |
| 08:58.41 | mucher | mutante: that was in 2003. the situation should be corrected now. |
| 08:59.02 | evaded | mucher: You forget a think 'deb' before that line i think |
| 08:59.12 | evaded | s/think/thing |
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| 09:00.12 | mucher | evaded: checked. deb is there. |
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| 09:00.18 | newdeb | how do i delete my kernel? :) |
| 09:00.32 | Sear | www.freepicssex.com |
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| 09:00.48 | apenguin | newdeb, use apt-get remove |
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| 09:01.11 | r_marvin | newdeb: install windows, it has an option right there in the installer ;) |
| 09:01.13 | Shadowcat | WHY are you deleting your kernel? |
| 09:01.14 | alfadir | newdeb: why do you want to remove your kernel ? |
| 09:01.15 | Sear | www.freepicssex.com |
| 09:01.22 | r_marvin | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 09:01.26 | Shadowcat | !ops Sear is spamming |
| 09:01.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Sear is spamming |
| 09:01.41 | newdeb | alfadir, i put wrong 1 on in install |
| 09:01.51 | newdeb | r_marvin, lol |
| 09:01.58 | evaded | mucher: You're running Etch?? |
| 09:02.02 | Shadowcat | then install the proper one and confirm it works before deleting the one you're using |
| 09:02.09 | mucher | evaded: yes |
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| 09:02.22 | alfadir | newdeb: I agree with Shadowcat .. :) |
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| 09:02.34 | mucher | evaded: the line in sources.list is: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main contrib |
| 09:02.36 | Shadowcat | thanks azeem |
| 09:02.41 | evaded | mucher: I have that 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main' Keep in mind i run Sarge |
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| 09:02.43 | r_marvin | newdeb: if it's the one from debian, use apt-get , like any other package |
| 09:02.44 | jethro | moin |
| 09:03.07 | evaded | mucher: You not need to add the contrib thing i think |
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| 09:04.31 | mucher | evaded: u r right. thks a lot. |
| 09:04.40 | evaded | mucher: ;-) |
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| 09:06.39 | willwork4foo | right. I am going to ditch the stock kernel and roll my own, because I have a sneaking suspicion that the stock kernel is causing me grief here. |
| 09:07.43 | evaded | willwork4foo: Why?? |
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| 09:08.07 | willwork4foo | evaded: because I just looked at the stock kernel config for 2.6, and OSS is compiled into the kernel. |
| 09:08.17 | willwork4foo | I really don't want that. |
| 09:08.21 | newdeb | willwork4foo, Renamed to Wontwork4moo |
| 09:08.29 | evaded | willwork4foo: blacklist that module! |
| 09:09.04 | evaded | newdeb: You mean wontwork4bar :-p |
| 09:09.10 | willwork4foo | evaded: no, I'm going to roll my own kernel. At least I know what I'm doing with kernel configs (which is more than I can say for the sorry individual who rolled this debian stock kernel) |
| 09:09.14 | newdeb | ;p |
| 09:09.29 | mucher | evaded: which file to install for mozilla plugin for mplayer? |
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| 09:09.54 | evaded | willwork4foo: I not understand what you are going to do. It's look that you want to move the world?? |
| 09:10.17 | evaded | mucher: Try an search with 'apt-cache search <WHAT_to_search>' |
| 09:10.30 | willwork4foo | evaded: I'm going to download the 2.6.16.11 kernel source and compile my own. |
| 09:10.33 | newdeb | willwork4foo, you could of reinstalled whole thing by now |
| 09:10.38 | willwork4foo | rather than use the stock kernel |
| 09:10.38 | evaded | mucher: I not want to give you so the answer, i want that you learn also ;-) |
| 09:10.53 | willwork4foo | newdeb: which would have gotten me where? don't be a pleb. |
| 09:11.09 | mucher | evaded: come on, don't be a pain. |
| 09:11.12 | r_marvin | mucher: apt-cache search mozilla mplayer plugin |
| 09:11.21 | r_marvin | apt-get install <package_name> |
| 09:11.32 | r_marvin | fill in the blanks :) |
| 09:11.37 | evaded | mucher: You're to lazy and i help not lazy people :-p |
| 09:12.20 | willwork4foo | apt-cache search is absurd - it throws hundreds of random irrelevant results back all the time. |
| 09:12.26 | evaded | mucher: You need to learn that you need to do some things. It's not fall out the sky!!! |
| 09:12.53 | evaded | willwork4foo: 'pipe' to |
| 09:13.07 | willwork4foo | evaded: pipe to grep? |
| 09:13.15 | evaded | willwork4foo: nope to less! |
| 09:13.24 | mucher | evaded: don't teach ur grandmother how to suck eggs. i had it before. it should be mozilla-mplayer fr unstable. |
| 09:13.25 | evaded | willwork4foo: Or 'more' |
| 09:13.32 | willwork4foo | right - that still doesn't fix the fact that it spits out loads of irrelevant garbage |
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| 09:13.53 | evaded | bye mucher! |
| 09:13.53 | willwork4foo | want proof? do this: apt-cache search oss |
| 09:14.02 | mucher | r_marvin: find nothing, if no 'unstable' in the sources.list. |
| 09:14.31 | mucher | evaded: what's your native language? |
| 09:14.32 | newdeb | willwork4foo, you seem a bit disspondant play a soot-em up for fun |
| 09:14.34 | willwork4foo | tell me what on earth libasm-java (for example) has to do with that. |
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| 09:14.41 | r_marvin | i think you need "contrib" |
| 09:14.55 | willwork4foo | newdeb: please, try not to speak to me. there is little benefit I am gaining from reading what you say. |
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| 09:15.08 | mucher | r_untstable non-free contrib? |
| 09:15.12 | newdeb | touchy bitch |
| 09:15.30 | willwork4foo | yep. |
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| 09:15.40 | r_marvin | willwork4foo: that's a non argument, search "oss" on google, see what you get |
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| 09:15.51 | mucher | r_marvin: unstable non-free contrib? |
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| 09:16.19 | r_marvin | mucher: unstable main non-free contrib |
| 09:16.30 | r_marvin | mucher: wtf are you doing running unstable anyway? |
| 09:16.56 | evaded | r_marvin: Because he know better that the others it's looks |
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| 09:17.19 | mucher | r_marvin: wtf, testing main non-free contrib will do. i still have it in my sources.list, commented out. |
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| 09:18.04 | evaded | mucher: Have you been do 'apt-get update'? |
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| 09:18.47 | mucher | evaded: i know i have to do that everytime i change sources.list. |
| 09:18.59 | mucher | evaded: what's your native language? |
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| 09:19.38 | evaded | mucher: Do '/whois evaded' |
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| 09:19.59 | evaded | mucher: And you from Singapore |
| 09:20.45 | mucher | evaded: be is belgium? |
| 09:21.05 | evaded | mucher: No matters to help people here!! |
| 09:21.33 | mucher | evaded: that is funny English! |
| 09:22.11 | willwork4foo | mucher: I'm an Englishman. to me, you're all speaking funny english. |
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| 09:22.50 | mucher | willwork4foo: Englishman hey? Bloody Brit? English is a funny language, anyway. |
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| 09:23.13 | willwork4foo | mucher: and yet, it seems to be so universally spoken on the web... |
| 09:23.19 | newdeb | english explains the lack of humour |
| 09:23.45 | mucher | willwork4foo: becos the world needs a lot of fun. |
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| 09:25.49 | mucher | evaded: u Belgian? |
| 09:25.57 | evaded | mucher: Yes |
| 09:26.13 | evaded | mucher: And what's the point of it? |
| 09:26.34 | mucher | evaded: i know the main languages are Dutch or French, right? |
| 09:26.45 | evaded | mucher: And German |
| 09:27.03 | mucher | evaded: so it is a 3-corner fight. |
| 09:27.20 | evaded | mucher: There are 3 official language, without speaking that it's an land with really many _multi_ cutlural |
| 09:27.47 | mucher | evaded: English is not an official language there? |
| 09:27.52 | evaded | mucher: But i'm 100% Belgian |
| 09:28.00 | evaded | mucher: No |
| 09:28.21 | evaded | mucher: Have you been read ^^ the things above?? |
| 09:28.27 | mucher | willwork4foo: take note of that. English is not so universal after all. |
| 09:28.50 | mucher | evaded: what makes a 100 |
| 09:28.52 | willwork4foo | mucher: you're speaking it right now. in fact - everyone is. |
| 09:29.07 | newdeb | parlez vous fracais |
| 09:29.15 | mucher | evaded: what makes a 100% Belgian? Must speak all 3 languages? |
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| 09:29.17 | evaded | mucher: That my desendents are from the same ... Are you ...?? |
| 09:29.37 | evaded | !beer mucher |
| 09:29.58 | mucher | evaded: thks. i drink Tiger Beer here. |
| 09:30.01 | newdeb | evaded, lol |
| 09:30.03 | willwork4foo | something |
| 09:30.12 | rob_ | Hallo |
| 09:30.15 | mucher | evaded: u have Tiger Beer there? |
| 09:30.17 | willwork4foo | greetings |
| 09:30.33 | evaded | mucher: I never drink beer :-/ |
| 09:30.41 | newdeb | tiger beer should be in debian :) |
| 09:30.48 | xirjs | how do i boot with sarge-installer: rescue root=/dev/hda2 ? |
| 09:30.53 | willwork4foo | sound support should be in debian properly. |
| 09:30.59 | mucher | evaded: u r still below age to drink beer? |
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| 09:31.09 | willwork4foo | I would personally put sound working before tiger beer being in debian, myself. |
| 09:31.16 | newdeb | <hang on just gotta turn my sound down |
| 09:31.18 | evaded | mucher: No i'm -25 years |
| 09:31.35 | mucher | evaded: u need to prove that to me. |
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| 09:31.50 | evaded | mucher: I have nothings to prove to you guy! |
| 09:32.12 | mucher | evaded: yes, u do. start drinking beer! lol. |
| 09:32.23 | evaded | !tell mucher about u |
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| 09:32.57 | rob_ | is there truth in the rumour that Debian ships with ALSA disabled, or is it miss-information spread by elves or somesuch? |
| 09:33.06 | mucher | evaded: damn it, i m not Jim. |
| 09:33.24 | stevietool | is there anyone who has installed dsl from floppy? |
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| 09:33.43 | evaded | stevietool: Ask on #dsl or so?? |
| 09:33.54 | mucher | have to reboot. bye everyone. |
| 09:33.55 | rhalff | or #dsl_floppies |
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| 09:34.04 | willwork4foo | it ships with OSS compiled into the 2.6 kernel by defauly |
| 09:34.06 | evaded | stevietool: You are here on #debian, so nobody talk about dsl here |
| 09:34.07 | jethro | rob_: as far as I know, it ships with alsa muted by default, not disabled |
| 09:34.08 | willwork4foo | default |
| 09:34.09 | tuv | how can i set dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:34.14 | stevietool | evaded: i did; but dsl is debian based no? |
| 09:34.15 | willwork4foo | which is a bit fecking stupid imho |
| 09:34.42 | jethro | tuv: you don't, you set them in resolv.conf |
| 09:34.44 | xirjs | is the rescue option kicked in the sarge-install cd? |
| 09:35.05 | xirjs | i need to boot the kernel from cd with the installed system ... ? |
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| 09:35.28 | tuv | jethro, they change when connecting to different networks, and one network conf. is static so i need to set dns servers for that network each time i connect to it |
| 09:36.06 | rob_ | jethro: Thanks for that |
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| 09:36.37 | jethro | rob_: you're welcome |
| 09:37.04 | jethro | tuv: have a look at netenv, or a package with similar functionnality |
| 09:37.04 | willwork4foo | because the problem is - debian sarge's 2.6 stock kernel comes with OSS precompiled into the kernel, and ALSA added in as a loadable module |
| 09:37.04 | willwork4foo | which means that the two conflict |
| 09:37.31 | rob_ | what does #modprobe alsa result in? |
| 09:37.42 | tuv | jethro, i could use pre-up or something, but was looking for a cleaner solution |
| 09:37.49 | jethro | tuv: netenv is a clean solution |
| 09:38.03 | tuv | jethro, looking into it now.. thanks |
| 09:38.12 | jethro | tuv: you're welcome |
| 09:38.30 | evaded | !tell willwork4foo about alsa-checklist |
| 09:38.58 | willwork4foo | evaded: done all that. |
| 09:38.59 | evaded | willwork4foo: The 5) |
| 09:39.09 | willwork4foo | yes. |
| 09:39.21 | evaded | willwork4foo: You fail on point 5 |
| 09:39.23 | willwork4foo | but - you can't unload OSS if it's precompiled into the kernel, can you. |
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| 09:39.30 | willwork4foo | evaded: I don't. Debian does. |
| 09:39.52 | yacoob | Help! Even though evbug module is blacklisted, it's loaded automatically! |
| 09:40.16 | willwork4foo | look. Install 3.1r2, then (because it's crap and isn't installed by default) go and install libncurses5-dev so that you can actually go and do make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux, and look at where it talks about OSS. |
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| 09:40.24 | willwork4foo | OSS is compiled directly into the main kernel binary. |
| 09:40.38 | willwork4foo | which is absolutely ridiculous, because it's DEPRECATED TECHNOLOGY |
| 09:40.46 | rob_ | which would preclude unloading it |
| 09:41.03 | willwork4foo | exactly. |
| 09:41.03 | pip_ | why cant I connect to irc.freenode.net ? |
| 09:41.12 | willwork4foo | pip_: that's a surreal question |
| 09:41.22 | willwork4foo | pip_: guess where you're asking it |
| 09:41.47 | evaded | pip_: Ask the #freenode?? |
| 09:42.02 | evaded | pip_: No problem here, i'm on that network |
| 09:42.04 | pip_ | willwork4foo, I couldnot connect to it ,and #ubuntu ,so I am here |
| 09:42.29 | willwork4foo | pip... irc.freenode.net is the IRC server you are connected to. |
| 09:42.38 | pip_ | evaded, I wonder if it is not my problem |
| 09:42.41 | willwork4foo | so I refer you back to my first response to you. |
| 09:43.37 | pip_ | The server said couln't look up hostname ,what's meaning ? |
| 09:43.44 | evaded | pip_: Do '/whois pip_' and you see it you're self |
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| 09:44.02 | evaded | pip_: I mean that you're been connected to the freenode server |
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| 09:46.37 | yacoob | Ehm. Anyone can tell me why evbug is loaded by default? |
| 09:47.43 | xirjs | is there a way to use the rescue option in the sarge installer (it was easy in woody, but i don't find it for sarge) ...? |
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| 09:48.55 | cahoot | willwork4foo: just FYI - I've had no problems switching fro oss to lasa using sarge (and 2.6 kernels from debian) |
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| 09:49.32 | cahoot | willwork4foo: 'from oss to alsa' |
| 09:49.47 | pip_ | evaded, what is the difference between Ubuntu servers and Debian Servers ? |
| 09:50.07 | evaded | pip_: I guess that it's another server(network) |
| 09:50.33 | pip_ | evaded, do you use Xchat ? |
| 09:50.49 | evaded | pip_: At this moment yes |
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| 09:52.09 | pip_ | evaded, I opened the server list ,and chose Ubuntu servers and clicked 'connect',but faild ,that is my problem I said just now ,why ? |
| 09:52.52 | evaded | pip_: I not know why. What name is it, i have it not here :-/ |
| 09:53.53 | evaded | pip_: irc.ubuntu.org? |
| 09:54.22 | sep | pip_, having a list saying debian server ubuntu servers is meaningless since the channels are both at Freenode. having a list saying freenode is sensible. you are no on freenode so if you want to talk about ubuntu type /join #ubuntu |
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| 09:55.08 | evaded | pip_: Try '/join #ubuntu' |
| 09:55.11 | pip_ | evaded, In fact ,the Ubuntu Servers contains only one ------irc.freenode.net,but Debian Servers contains two ,one is irc.Debian.org,the other is irc.freenode.net |
| 09:55.16 | evaded | pip_: Bee work here |
| 09:55.44 | evaded | pip_: irc.ubuntu.org??? |
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| 09:56.01 | pip_ | evaded, I have done,but why can I connect to Debian Servers but can't connect to Ubuntu Servers ? |
| 09:56.16 | evaded | pip_: I guess that you're banned or so |
| 09:56.17 | Voidint | does anyone know if the linux virtual server (linuxvirtualserver.org) will work with debian? |
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| 09:57.08 | thoreauputic | pip_: #ubuntu is on irc.freenode.net, same as #debian - use that |
| 09:57.20 | pip_ | evaded, I have connected to #ubuntu chatting room ,I just think it is very strange |
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| 09:57.59 | evaded | pip_: I have look in the banned list but you're not there, so you're not banned there |
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| 09:58.24 | binkzz | is it possible to install etch from another harddrive instead of booting it from cd? |
| 09:58.47 | thoreauputic | pip_: if you look at "ubuntu servers, you will see that Ubuntu Servers == irc.freenode.net |
| 09:58.49 | pip_ | evaded, No identd (auth) response ,what 's meaning ? |
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| 09:59.13 | evaded | pip_: That he not could identifiate you |
| 09:59.16 | pip_ | thoreauputic, correct ,you are right ,but I couln't connect to it |
| 09:59.18 | thoreauputic | pip_: that you don't have an identd response set up - it's quite normql |
| 09:59.28 | thoreauputic | *normal |
| 09:59.54 | binkzz | identd is kind of a basic reversed checkup |
| 10:00.01 | evaded | pip_: I not know |
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| 10:00.32 | pip_ | evaded, Is it problem of my network here ? |
| 10:00.52 | evaded | pip_: No because you're been connected here :-/ |
| 10:01.02 | evaded | pip_: On the freenode network |
| 10:01.14 | xirjs | anyone around who knows the sarge installer? |
| 10:01.27 | sep | xirjs, naaw we'v all upgraded from buzz |
| 10:01.29 | pip_ | evaded, It is problem of irc.freenode.net server ,right ? |
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| 10:01.40 | evaded | di |
| 10:01.44 | evaded | !di |
| 10:01.44 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 10:01.46 | thoreauputic | pip_: what are you worrying about? You are on #ubuntu already |
| 10:01.52 | xirjs | sep: do you know the rescue option in the installer? |
| 10:01.53 | Inkvisit1r | do the portmapper try to detect "spoofed" ips ? |
| 10:02.06 | pip_ | thoreauputic, I just think it is strange |
| 10:02.17 | thoreauputic | pip_: what is strange? |
| 10:02.37 | sep | pip_, it's a user error. the user failed to read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 10:03.21 | pip_ | thoreauputic, how can I know the name of server I am connected to ? |
| 10:03.39 | sep | xirjs, you mean alt+F2 ? |
| 10:03.46 | sep | to get a console |
| 10:03.58 | thoreauputic | pip_: /info |
| 10:04.07 | thoreauputic | amongst others.. |
| 10:05.20 | pip_ | evaded, you too |
| 10:05.22 | MatBoy | what is a good SCP-interface for kde ? |
| 10:05.55 | evaded | pip_: If you do '/whois pip_' you see to which server you are connected to |
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| 10:06.11 | thoreauputic | pip_: /msg chanserv help |
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| 10:07.32 | evaded | MatBoy: Try 'apt-cache search scp' a bit to long to paste here |
| 10:07.43 | evaded | MatBoy: But it's not so long |
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| 10:08.06 | MatBoy | evaded, have done that... can't find out which one to use... secpanel can't do files I have the idea while testing |
| 10:08.44 | evaded | MatBoy: I had find an nice one. I no more remember which one it was. It was on a other computer when i had need to ... |
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| 10:10.45 | MatBoy | evaded, If you remember.. please tell me ! |
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| 10:11.13 | evaded | MatBoy: I looking to, i think it's been secpanel. But i remember that 'winscp' with wine work great |
| 10:11.21 | xirjs | is there a way to use the rescue option in the sarge installer (it was easy in woody, but i don't find it for sarge) ...? |
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| 10:11.41 | MatBoy | evaded, that would be also a good ide ! |
| 10:11.43 | michal_ | hi. does anyone know of any tool to convert html character entities in a text file to the actual characters? |
| 10:11.43 | MatBoy | idea |
| 10:11.54 | michal_ | i've been searching for a way to do it all day |
| 10:11.57 | willwork4foo | right. now rolling my own kernel config |
| 10:12.11 | evaded | MatBoy: Install that then ;-) But with secpanel you got not you're way? |
| 10:12.50 | MatBoy | I can't fine the explorer there :D |
| 10:12.55 | evaded | MatBoy: I play been with secpannel to scp and it's nice also |
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| 10:13.01 | michal_ | the problem with software is that it's almost impossible to find what you need even if it exists :/ |
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| 10:13.15 | evaded | MatBoy: I not understand sorry |
| 10:14.00 | evaded | MatBoy: hhhm, i understand i think |
| 10:14.11 | evaded | MatBoy: wait, the 2de button in secpannel |
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| 10:14.25 | MatBoy | evaded, I seems the second button indeed |
| 10:15.04 | MatBoy | evaded, needed tcl on server ?? |
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| 10:15.16 | evaded | MatBoy: Point you're mouse on the buttons, you get some info on the bottom of that app |
| 10:15.20 | MatBoy | evaded, that's not what I want :D |
| 10:15.51 | evaded | MatBoy: You not especailly need tcl |
| 10:16.08 | evaded | MatBoy: I not understand you, you are not clear enought :-/ |
| 10:16.12 | MatBoy | evaded, but it's marekd an I can't undo it |
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| 10:18.36 | evaded | MatBoy: Idem here, it's checked and perl not. But what happend with it? |
| 10:19.14 | MatBoy | evaded, I can't say :( |
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| 10:21.07 | evaded | MatBoy: Yes, it's looks you need to install tcl on the server. |
| 10:21.25 | MatBoy | evaded, yes indeed... not that nice :( |
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| 10:21.52 | evaded | MatBoy: Why? |
| 10:22.02 | evaded | MatBoy: I guees you can not install it there? |
| 10:22.07 | Gnea | huh |
| 10:22.07 | michal_ | http://www.w3.org/Tools/HTML-XML-utils/ |
| 10:22.13 | michal_ | is that packaged in any debian package? |
| 10:22.14 | KellogsFlakes | hi whom can i ask a really simple question about users / services on debian? |
| 10:22.21 | evaded | Gnea: Yup, some type errno |
| 10:22.33 | Gnea | evaded: lol |
| 10:22.38 | Gnea | KellogsFlakes: the channel. |
| 10:23.10 | KellogsFlakes | is there anybody who can help me, i need to know which command i do have to type in to see which services and users are currently active on my machine |
| 10:23.29 | MatBoy | evaded, Yes I can... but I don't like to install things for reasons like this while other software can |
| 10:23.33 | cklaus | KellogsFlakes, ps aux ; netstat -tap ; who ; |
| 10:23.33 | Gnea | !tell KellogsFlakes about newbie_guide |
| 10:23.34 | evaded | KellogsFlakes: nmap |
| 10:23.50 | evaded | KellogsFlakes: who, w, xwatch |
| 10:23.50 | Gnea | KellogsFlakes: please read the newbie docs, they will tell you how and a lot more |
| 10:24.20 | KellogsFlakes | ok will read the newbie docs thanks so far |
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| 10:25.11 | evaded | MatBoy: Bwa, use that winscp with wine then :-/ |
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| 10:25.45 | MatBoy | evaded, maybe... I have to find out which package of tcl it needs |
| 10:25.45 | mo1991 | what is the command to change the source, .dsc. and .deff file into a deb package? |
| 10:25.51 | mo1991 | dpkg-build something |
| 10:26.07 | jm_ | mo1991: you need to unpack it first, the build it |
| 10:26.41 | evaded | MatBoy: tcl8.0 or 8.3. 8.4 :-/ |
| 10:26.48 | Gnea | michal_: it doesn't look like it is... |
| 10:27.16 | michal_ | gnea: looks like there was an intent to package which went nowhere :/ |
| 10:27.19 | evaded | MatBoy: Moment i tcheck some things |
| 10:27.30 | xirjs | i need to rescue a sarge installation because of kernel-problems ... can i use the sarge-installer cd as rescue disk? |
| 10:27.34 | michal_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=164125 |
| 10:27.40 | Gnea | michal_: wait! i'm wrong!!! |
| 10:27.47 | michal_ | shame because these look like VERY useful tools |
| 10:27.52 | MatBoy | evaded, OK, would be nice |
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| 10:28.03 | Gnea | michal_: erk, yeah :( |
| 10:28.06 | Gnea | http://merlin.nmt.edu/debian/html-xml-utils/ <--broked |
| 10:28.13 | Frogzoo | is it possible to change the mac address on my 2200BG centrino nic? |
| 10:28.16 | michal_ | eyah i noticed that :/ |
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| 10:29.00 | michal_ | well at least upstream configures and makes |
| 10:29.11 | slakware | hello |
| 10:29.55 | mo1991 | jm_ it is unpacked - how to I build the .deb file? |
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| 10:30.19 | evaded | MatBoy: The 8.4 |
| 10:30.25 | pinky | What's an application I can use to tell what my CPU and ambient chassis temperature is? |
| 10:30.27 | MatBoy | ok |
| 10:30.34 | MatBoy | I have seen that one too |
| 10:30.44 | r_marvin | pinky: sensors |
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| 10:31.01 | tdn | Is it possible to connect to MSSQL Server from PHP4 with Debian Stable? What do I need to install to get it to work? I have installed php4 and apache2, but it gives me an error saying that mssql_connect() is undefined. |
| 10:31.11 | The_One | Hello |
| 10:31.23 | jm_ | mo1991: debuild |
| 10:31.44 | jm_ | pinky: or gkrellm and many other tools like it in X |
| 10:32.06 | Gnea | tdn: probably with the pear database abstraction layer |
| 10:32.12 | Gnea | !info php-db sarge |
| 10:32.20 | Frogzoo | pinky: in gnome, there's ktemperature & cpu freq monitor |
| 10:32.22 | alfadir | pinky: acpi -V reads battery etc.. also some sensors |
| 10:32.23 | Gnea | whoops |
| 10:32.23 | jm_ | tdn: php4-sybase |
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| 10:32.59 | tdn | Well... When I look at the phpinfo() under "dbx" -> supported databases there is these: "MySQL ODBC PostgreSQL Microsoft SQL Server FrontBase Oracle 8". |
| 10:33.11 | tdn | So I guess that it should work in my set up? |
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| 10:34.09 | Gnea | tdn: probably php4-pear and php4-odbc |
| 10:34.22 | Gnea | tdn: you may need to configure some options |
| 10:34.36 | tdn | jm_, sybase? |
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| 10:35.00 | tdn | Gnea, I have already installed php4-pear, but I don't know what to do then. |
| 10:35.41 | Inkvisit1r | ok I found some more information on why mounting an nfs from the inside of a firewall isn't workong (permission denied error). I get this on the server: rpc.mountd: refused mount request from #myip# illegal port 60585 |
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| 10:36.07 | Inkvisit1r | and that port keeps counting up for every try |
| 10:36.15 | Inkvisit1r | so I can't exactly add a rule for it |
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| 10:37.06 | Inkvisit1r | any ideas ? |
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| 10:37.42 | xirjs | is there a rescue disk for sarge installation available ? |
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| 10:38.30 | liable | xirjs: the install disc can be used |
| 10:38.37 | xirjs | liable: how? |
| 10:38.43 | xirjs | i dont find the rescue option ... ;-( |
| 10:38.48 | liable | xirjs: just involves a little bit of mucking around. |
| 10:39.03 | xirjs | like on woody rescue root=/dev/hda2 ... |
| 10:39.04 | xirjs | ? |
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| 10:39.26 | liable | apparently you can do that.. |
| 10:39.38 | liable | or just boot chroot rescue. |
| 10:39.47 | xirjs | no i cannot ... it tried in different ways ... does not work |
| 10:39.51 | xirjs | chroot rescue? |
| 10:39.52 | xirjs | how? |
| 10:39.58 | speedy | I'm trying to install debian on my pc, but it seems that it couldnt see the partition table, how can i resolve this issue? |
| 10:40.22 | jm_ | speedy: does it detect your hard disk? |
| 10:40.23 | Ronin | xirjs: disk 1, i think its f1 then, type rescue and follow the directions |
| 10:40.23 | liable | xirjs: do you know how devfs labels your discs? |
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| 10:41.18 | speedy | jm_: I'm not sure, i just got message saying partition table not found |
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| 10:42.00 | xirjs | Ronin: boot: linux rescue? |
| 10:42.11 | xirjs | this starts the installation of sarge ... ;-( |
| 10:42.22 | KellogsFlakes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.22 | Ronin | xirjs: did you read all i typed? |
| 10:42.23 | xirjs | i just want to use the kernel from cd and the installed system ... ;-( |
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| 10:42.50 | xirjs | Ronin: i typed 'F1' -> this offers 'boot:' |
| 10:42.57 | xirjs | i tried rescue -> no such image |
| 10:43.02 | xirjs | linux rescue -> starts installation |
| 10:43.24 | thoreauputic | KellogsFlakes: have you heard of commas and other punctuation? |
| 10:43.39 | KellogsFlakes | yes |
| 10:43.52 | liable | thoreauputic: at least it was all one one line. :) |
| 10:44.15 | thoreauputic | liable: indeed - +1 for that :) |
| 10:44.17 | KellogsFlakes | ok next time i will seperate such long questions |
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| 10:44.34 | liable | KellogsFlakes: no! just a few commas would be good. :) |
| 10:44.42 | KellogsFlakes | ok will do that |
| 10:44.46 | Gnea | KellogsFlakes: i'm sorry, but it needs to be said... |
| 10:44.48 | KellogsFlakes | ;-) |
| 10:44.49 | Gnea | !tell KellogsFlakes about ask |
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| 10:45.21 | jm_ | speedy: check on 2nd console |
| 10:45.31 | Gnea | KellogsFlakes: please, you're pissing people off by asking if there's anyone or any way someone can answer... just ask and hope someone knows what you're (and they're) talking about |
| 10:45.37 | xirjs | Ronin: you are sure this works with sarge cd ... ? |
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| 10:45.50 | xirjs | ronin: it worked that way with woody ... |
| 10:45.55 | KellogsFlakes | ok i have read the instructions on getting help, next time im asking will follow the rules :-) |
| 10:45.59 | Ronin | xirjs: you using netinstall or a proper disk 1? |
| 10:46.07 | xirjs | netinstall |
| 10:46.08 | Gnea | awesome :) |
| 10:46.13 | liable | makes no difference.. |
| 10:46.22 | Ronin | xirjs: that may be the problem |
| 10:46.24 | xirjs | Ronin: is there a difference??? |
| 10:46.46 | liable | xirjs: just boot it. let it run to the partioner, switch to vt2, mount your / and chroot. |
| 10:47.09 | Gnea | thoreauputic: cruelty? surely you jest - it's more cruel to laugh at someone for their ignorance than to inform them of it so that they can get the help they seek ;) |
| 10:47.59 | thoreauputic | Gnea: ah yes - #debian keeps the spirit of usenet alive! All hail #debian! |
| 10:48.00 | thoreauputic | ;) |
| 10:48.28 | speedy | jm_: the PC is not with me right now, i guess it didnt detect the hard disk, what are the available options to solve this problem? |
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| 10:49.22 | pinky | Is it necessary to install the official non-free Sun JRE in order to run Azureus? |
| 10:49.43 | thoreauputic | Gnea: seriously, I owe a large debt to #debian - I learnt much in this channel |
| 10:49.47 | liable | pinky: what are we doing tonight? |
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| 10:50.15 | pinky | liable: Ahmm, thinking about installing Azureus? |
| 10:50.20 | pinky | How about yourself...? |
| 10:50.34 | liable | bah! not trying to take over the world?? |
| 10:50.37 | toetag | Hi folks. Got a question. I'm on debian 3.1. Should I type "aptitude -f -r dist-upgrade" to step up to 3.1r2? |
| 10:50.42 | Eclipser | pinky, azureus runs on gnu java |
| 10:51.04 | bibe | toetag : an apt-get upgrade is sufficien |
| 10:51.06 | liable | i must be getting old.. |
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| 10:51.30 | pinky | Eclipser: Okay cool! No snags or drawbacks? I mean there won't be a performance hit or anything? |
| 10:52.00 | toetag | so, merely type "apt-get upgrade" and assuming my sources.list is groovy, it'll do the right thing? |
| 10:52.10 | Eclipser | pinky, no idea really, they just say it runs on it :) I use and develop azureus on sun's java which is lovely :) |
| 10:53.13 | pinky | Interesting... that's cool, I absolutely *love* the program. I just have reservations about installing Sun's Java unless I absolutely have to. |
| 10:53.38 | gladiuz | hello |
| 10:53.55 | jm_ | speedy: try using installer with a newer kernel |
| 10:54.12 | Gnea | thoreauputic: i was being sarcastic, of course :) |
| 10:54.15 | thoreauputic | Gnea: hey, is #debian getting soft? I just haven't seen the level of gratuitous rudeness I'd come to expect in the good old days |
| 10:54.23 | thoreauputic | ;) |
| 10:54.42 | Gnea | thoreauputic: hardly. there have been some general attitude changes, though. |
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| 10:54.43 | bibe | toetag : yes, of course |
| 10:55.04 | thoreauputic | Gnea: ah, that may be A Good Thing (tm) |
| 10:55.30 | Gnea | thoreauputic: it's been a very eye-opening thing :) |
| 10:55.33 | liable | thoreauputic: we arent allowed to be mean anymore. no larts or anything.. |
| 10:55.39 | bibe | toetag : it will upgrade a couple of packages (including glibc), if you had an up-to-date 3.1r1 |
| 10:56.10 | thoreauputic | Gnea: I feel like John Cleese in Fawlty Towers ( Don't mention Ubuntu!) *grin* |
| 10:56.22 | thoreauputic | liable: sad |
| 10:56.23 | toetag | I think I didn't even go to 3.1r1 yet. I think I'm vanilla 3.1. How can I tell? |
| 10:56.36 | thoreauputic | liable: It used to be fun around here |
| 10:56.48 | liable | thoreauputic: gladly we can still tell people to fuck off. :) |
| 10:56.59 | thoreauputic | liable: feel free :) |
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| 10:57.31 | liable | well, sometimes we can.. |
| 10:57.50 | toetag | Eclipser, perhaps you have some idea for me, I created my first torrent a while back (using azureus) and I specified tracker.prq.to and it seemed like that was a bad choice, it seemed like it was down 95% of the time |
| 10:57.52 | bibe | toetag : that makes no difference, 3.1r1 (and r1a, and r2) are only snapshots of (3.1r0 + security updates) |
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| 10:58.18 | toetag | OK, sorry to be a nervous virgin, here goes... |
| 10:58.39 | thoreauputic | liable: So who has instituted these draconian Politically Correct rules? Is there nowhere on freenode one can go to be insulted any more? |
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| 10:59.10 | Inkvisit1r | I'm answering my own question. NAT translates the NFS source port to something above 1024 and the NFS server only accepts connections from reserved ports.. |
| 10:59.18 | toetag | aptitude had a longer and more detailled list of upgrades than apt-get, but here goes... |
| 10:59.32 | Inkvisit1r | solution: disable NAT :) |
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| 10:59.58 | liable | thoreauputic: i detect a sarcastic tone there, and i may just call an op if it continues! :P |
| 11:00.01 | speedy | jm_: how can i do that? i'm using debian netinstall minimal cd |
| 11:00.10 | Eclipser | toetag, so get a better tracker ? :) |
| 11:00.29 | jm_ | speedy: two options, get new Sarge installer if you want to use stable (/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15), b) use Etch if you want testing |
| 11:00.39 | toetag | I guess so, its just all the guide I read were like, use this tracker, everyone does. Maybe that was the problem... |
| 11:00.58 | thoreauputic | liable: No, you misinterpret my motives - I used to be a regular here and i genuinely am interested in the changes and their reasons |
| 11:01.02 | speedy | jm_: thanks! |
| 11:01.12 | jm_ | speedy: no worries |
| 11:01.13 | liable | thoreauputic: read the fable? |
| 11:01.24 | liable | !tell thoreauputic about the fable |
| 11:01.28 | thoreauputic | liable: please enlighten me |
| 11:01.59 | thoreauputic | liable: the bot isn't co-operating it seems |
| 11:02.09 | liable | !fable |
| 11:02.09 | dpkg | i guess fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 11:02.31 | thoreauputic | liable: thank you - I shall look :) |
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| 11:06.21 | toetag | folks, which locales might a US guy like me want to generate? |
| 11:06.35 | thoreauputic | liable: And the people read the fable, and were much edified thereby :) |
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| 11:08.28 | litage | does svnserve need to be running to use apache + WebDAV + subversion? |
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| 11:08.42 | thoreauputic | liable: understanding #debian requires a certain sense of humour and willingness to be entertained by a brand of humour not always appreciated by the outlanders :) I'm glad to see that the factoid retains some of the old #debian spirit |
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| 11:10.10 | liable | toetag: en_us ones? |
| 11:10.24 | kroddn | ? |
| 11:11.17 | toetag | gotcha. thanks. |
| 11:11.51 | toetag | its crunching away. nice to see those p4 hyperthreads do more than idle. |
| 11:12.17 | liable | thoreauputic: if nothing else, its well written.. |
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| 11:13.54 | thoreauputic | liable: It is. iwish there were some similar fables in the land of Ubuntu - sometimes one feels the niceness borders on the saccharine n that place (i speak as an op) |
| 11:14.26 | vin` | so are you planning to quit? |
| 11:14.30 | thoreauputic | liable: on the other hand, there is much respect for Debian in Ubuntuland |
| 11:14.52 | Gnea | haha, that fable rocks |
| 11:14.55 | Gnea | but it's incomplete |
| 11:15.00 | toetag | says I need to reboot now... |
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| 11:15.07 | ruru | lu |
| 11:15.11 | ruru | j'ai une carte vidéo de reconnu en /dev/video0 quel programme me faut-il pour pouvoir me servir de cette carte ? si elle est reconnu c'est qu'elle est installée non ? ou je dois m'en occuper ?. |
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| 11:15.52 | liable | toetag: after generating locales?? or kernel upgrade |
| 11:16.20 | toetag | kernel upgrade. I let the install finish as it asked me to. just did the reboot.... |
| 11:16.43 | toetag | ruru is asking about how to install his video card |
| 11:17.13 | toetag | ruru: cette carte video, quelle nom? |
| 11:17.23 | toetag | nvidia? |
| 11:17.49 | Silent_al | !lart silent_al |
| 11:18.03 | toetag | ruru: dmesg? |
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| 11:18.49 | Silent_al | toetag, ruru's gone |
| 11:18.56 | toetag | merde! |
| 11:19.33 | evaded | toetag: Say that on #debian-fr |
| 11:19.38 | evaded | toetag: :-) |
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| 11:20.18 | toetag | ;-) |
| 11:20.29 | evaded | merde = shit :-/ |
| 11:20.51 | binkzz | what's the apt command to upgrade all you have to etch? |
| 11:21.07 | evaded | binkzz: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 11:21.13 | thoreauputic | Messieurs, s' il vous plaît, de la politesse! ;-) |
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| 11:21.29 | binkzz | thanks evaded |
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| 11:22.22 | vin` | evaded: surely you mean dist-upgrade |
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| 11:23.07 | evaded | vin`: Oh, yeah '...to etch'. |
| 11:23.34 | binkzz | just 'dist-upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade etch' orso? |
| 11:24.03 | vin` | binkzz: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 11:24.19 | binkzz | thanks |
| 11:24.24 | evaded | vin`: :-/ Strange that he ask that. Not? Because if you have change you're source.list i guessed that he know a bit more. I had understand that he only want upgrade his package :-/ |
| 11:24.57 | evaded | sarge->etch |
| 11:25.15 | evaded | !tell binkzz about sarge->etch |
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| 11:26.15 | evaded | Strange day |
| 11:26.23 | vin` | evaded: yes, quite vague. :) |
| 11:26.26 | ic56 | Is there some magic with bash's PROMPT_COMMAND env var? It's used to set the xterm window title. I can't replicate the behaviour manually. |
| 11:26.34 | binkzz | !tell binkzz about flowers and the birds |
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| 11:27.00 | giupy | hi all |
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| 11:29.07 | jm_ | ic56: no there is no magic |
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| 11:29.27 | giupy | i'm trying to install debian with boot floppies, boot, root and net-drivers, when it tries ti connect me via eth to the modem-router, it fails and says me that i don't have dhcp server on router, it's false, or my hardware has problems, it's false, i0m connected now with xp, what can i do? ethernet goes well and ifconfig on anothert console see it.... |
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| 11:31.37 | evaded | giupy: Can you give the exact error he give? |
| 11:31.49 | toetag | after the reboot the machine does not respond. unfortunately, I am 6500 miles away from it. no console access. I will get someone there to take a look at the console. |
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| 11:31.58 | ic56 | jm_: are you able to replicate the behaviour manually? |
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| 11:33.41 | giupy | evaded: not now, i'm on xp but they are, dhcp server not active on router or bad hardware |
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| 11:34.07 | giupy | evaded: and i'm now connected with that hardware and dhcp |
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| 11:35.14 | evaded | giupy: I think, we need a bit more info, like the exact error so we can do some research. Logs output ... Have you only one computer with Internet access? |
| 11:35.58 | giupy | evaded: now yes, but i tjhink aìi have solved it, it can be the acpi=off at boot |
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| 11:37.06 | samourai01 | how to load modules automatically without typing commands |
| 11:37.10 | samourai01 | plz help |
| 11:37.51 | fourat | samourai01, /etc/rclocal |
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| 11:38.05 | evaded | giupy: Pay attention that you're cpu fan are been running be doing it so! |
| 11:38.13 | binkzz | not /etc/modules ? |
| 11:38.20 | scytheman | sure. |
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| 11:38.29 | fluxdude | is there a way to find out an symlinks on the file system that point to an specific file/directory? |
| 11:38.30 | scytheman | rclocal sounds gentoo-like |
| 11:38.41 | giupy | evaded: doesn't have fun, thanks |
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| 11:38.46 | scytheman | fluxdude, maybe with find |
| 11:38.47 | evaded | fluxdude: ls -lh? |
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| 11:38.53 | jm_ | ic56: what do you mean with replicate it manually? |
| 11:38.53 | willwork4foo | so - the problem with my sound has been sorted. |
| 11:39.09 | binkzz | ls -lr / | grep '-> target' ? |
| 11:39.10 | evaded | giupy: I have some troubles to understand you man ;-) |
| 11:39.17 | binkzz | ls -lR even |
| 11:39.20 | willwork4foo | evaded: it was the stock kernel's fault. I compiled my own 2.6.16.11 kernel and it works perfectly |
| 11:39.26 | fourat | samourai01, sorry, it's /etc/modules |
| 11:39.28 | giupy | evaded: CPU transmeta crusoe without fun |
| 11:39.34 | giupy | :) |
| 11:39.37 | evaded | willwork4foo: So now been sound :-) |
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| 11:39.51 | giupy | evaded: thanks i try reinstall |
| 11:39.54 | giupy | bye |
| 11:39.59 | fourat | what should i do if my deb netinstall cd wont detect my laptop's hard disk (toshiba A100) !!! |
| 11:40.27 | binkzz | try the normal deb install? |
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| 11:40.33 | willwork4foo | so - to summarize - on Debian 3.1r2 Sarge from the netinstall CDROM, the 2.4 default kernel can't cope with Realtek RTL-8139 network chips (which is really poor) and the 2.6 stock kernel has sound broken. |
| 11:40.38 | willwork4foo | impressive stuff. |
| 11:41.04 | binkzz | Sarge is pretty old though |
| 11:41.24 | willwork4foo | it's still pretty poor that both kernels have broken configs. |
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| 11:41.44 | binkzz | broken is probably inaccurate |
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| 11:41.53 | evaded | fourat: There are nothing on http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html about that model, so i can first advies you when you found it to give some informations there... |
| 11:41.55 | willwork4foo | it's not the fact that the kernels themselves don't work, it's whichever muppet that configured them did a fairly poor job imho. |
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| 11:42.34 | fourat | evaded, good luck to me so :) |
| 11:43.04 | evaded | fourat: Not desesperate ;-) |
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| 11:43.59 | fourat | evaded, NO ! i'll do it |
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| 11:45.06 | andrs | trying to install Debian, but the install menu is all fucked up. Impossible to read anything... any ideas? |
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| 11:45.51 | binkzz | try booting with the vga=771 option |
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| 11:46.07 | kspath | willwork4foo: Did you file bug reports? You can submit suggested changes. |
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| 11:46.19 | PumpkinPie | my first, middle, and last name all of wikipedia entries..... |
| 11:46.19 | binkzz | e.g. linux26 vga=771 |
| 11:46.27 | andrs | nice, thanks :D |
| 11:46.41 | willwork4foo | kspath: I think I'm going to when I've got some time to do so. |
| 11:46.42 | binkzz | nps |
| 11:46.45 | evaded | andrs: Which laptop is it? |
| 11:46.47 | binkzz | PumpkinPie: Pump Kin and Pie ? |
| 11:47.26 | andrs | evaded, its not a laptop, mini-desktop with an EPIA mini-ITX card |
| 11:47.53 | willwork4foo | I've also decided that the "Debian way" to do nvidia graphics cards etc with a custom kernel is flawed and broken, and I'd rather just do it the way that Nvidia says to do so |
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| 11:48.06 | PumpkinPie | binkzz: no my real names |
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| 11:49.40 | binkzz | willwork4foo: it sounds like you should be leading the debian effort instead |
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| 11:52.49 | binkzz | I wish I had a chicken... |
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| 11:57.30 | flosch | hi |
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| 12:08.10 | jind | I have this server on the network here which has a problem. When I ssh to it and am about to edit a file with "nano -w file", then the text in the screen is not showing correctly at all. However, when I walk to the machine and do the same there in front of the computer, then it work as it should. |
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| 12:08.56 | jind | Does anybody know how to fix this? Is there like a shell variable to set to make it work from a remote computer or something? |
| 12:09.09 | nix | export TERM=linux |
| 12:09.19 | nix | perhaps TERM=vt100. depends on your terminal app |
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| 12:10.05 | nix | thats just a guess, though |
| 12:10.09 | jind | Thanks a lot! That "export TERM=linux" works perfectly :D |
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| 12:10.30 | a000a | hi all |
| 12:10.31 | jind | Time to add it to /etc/profile and everything is cherry |
| 12:10.43 | a000a | Xsupplicant is an X application or it's just the name ^ ? |
| 12:11.00 | nix | jind, well, basically your clientside ssh/telnet application should inform the server which TERM its running |
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| 12:11.25 | nix | i wouldnt just add that to /etc/profile, but that'd work. |
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| 12:16.52 | evaded | !tell root about root |
| 12:17.03 | evaded | !tell root_ about root |
| 12:17.22 | valdyn | a000a: X application |
| 12:17.37 | a000a | oki thank valdyn |
| 12:17.49 | evaded | bbrr i only see green things :-/ |
| 12:17.57 | a000a | xsupplicant it's just for client no ? |
| 12:18.32 | a000a | in wpa-radius authentification or i need to install it on the server too |
| 12:18.48 | valdyn | a000a: server = access point? |
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| 12:19.16 | a000a | yes |
| 12:19.32 | a000a | on the machin who are link to the ap .. |
| 12:20.03 | valdyn | a000a: you are using a debian box to be access point? |
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| 12:20.24 | a000a | no i have an acces point (Dlynk) |
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| 12:21.16 | valdyn | a000a: ok, then your terminology dont make sense in this case, for your WPA, both your 'server' and your 'client' are just both clients ( if they both are networked via wlan |
| 12:21.31 | a000a | but the ap aren't link directly on the telephone line .. i use debian gateway with 3 network card .. |
| 12:23.06 | valdyn | a000a: i have no idea what your point or problem is.. |
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| 12:24.04 | valdyn | a000a: in any case you do not need xsupplicant at all anywhere, its just a graphical frontend for wpa_supplicant |
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| 12:26.06 | valdyn | a000a: uh, i was wrong , its not an X app, rest is right though, your 'server' is a client just like your client |
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| 12:34.50 | Serinity | Hello everyone, a script i wrote has by error chmod'ed everything that was in /etc 0777.... Is there any way i can set the rights back automatically or do i have to compare with an other machine to set everything back ? |
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| 12:35.47 | c459s | How do I get the sshd server in stable to disconnect clients that does nothing for 5 minutes? |
| 12:36.24 | fas3r | valdyn, in finally i need to install it or not ^^ |
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| 12:37.28 | jm_ | c459s: man sshd_config |
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| 12:38.05 | tommy | Does anyone know of a ping script I can use to monitor my network uptime? |
| 12:38.33 | jm_ | tommy: yes |
| 12:38.44 | c459s | jm_: I've read it, and as far as I understand the two options that can be used to deal with this are ClientAliveInterval and ClientAliveCountMax. However, I cant get this to work... (yeah I have reloaded the client and started new sessions). |
| 12:39.31 | Holborn | maybe reloading the server .. |
| 12:39.33 | Serinity | All, right, i'll code an other script to restablish |
| 12:39.34 | Serinity | ... |
| 12:39.43 | c459s | ah, thats what I meant anyways :P |
| 12:40.00 | saloxin_ | tommy: smokeping if you graphs etc as well |
| 12:40.32 | jm_ | c459s: then try timeoutd |
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| 12:42.11 | tommy | saloxin_, Thanks. That pkg seems to be able to do what I need and more. |
| 12:43.03 | c459s | jm_: So in fact you can not kick people who idle for too long in sshd just by configuring the sshd_config correctly? |
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| 12:43.30 | jm_ | c459s: I thought those options will do the job, but apparently not |
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| 12:44.08 | saloxin_ | c459s, jm_: they will kick dead clients, not idle ones |
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| 12:44.21 | jm_ | saloxin_: yes, exactly |
| 12:44.44 | c459s | ok thanks. |
| 12:44.55 | Fr0 | hey, does anyone know if there's a way to get diff to ignore comments in C code? |
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| 12:45.48 | spacepower | i have installed pentanet-dev pentanet-utils but when i try to run the command it says no such device. how to make the system read the driver |
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| 12:46.10 | bliss1__ | hey |
| 12:46.13 | bliss1__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.23 | spacepower | i have installed pentanet-dev pentanet-utils but when i try to run the command it says no such device. how to make the system read the driver |
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| 12:50.27 | FabParma | how to configure the init level behvoir? |
| 12:51.25 | jm_ | FabParma: you mean sysv init stuff? |
| 12:51.57 | FabParma | i mean to set at console only |
| 12:52.05 | jm_ | !tell FabParma -about nodm |
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| 12:52.12 | jeff_hann | FabParma : sudo apt-get install sysvconfig |
| 12:52.14 | FabParma | there is a package |
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| 12:52.29 | spacepower | pci/nick JaMaLz |
| 12:52.31 | jm_ | !tell FabParma -about services |
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| 12:52.54 | FabParma | was something like proc.... |
| 12:53.10 | jm_ | now I don't know who's more confused, you or me |
| 12:53.31 | FabParma | me |
| 12:53.40 | jm_ | what are you trying to do? |
| 12:53.46 | FabParma | i explain you what i have to do |
| 12:54.08 | spacepower | i have installed pentanet-dev pentanet-utils but when i try to run the command it says no such device. how to make the system read the driver |
| 12:54.35 | bliss1__ | jm_ any ideas on this question have a vmware question only have one laptop so do i need networking as in Do you want networking for your virtual machines |
| 12:54.43 | bibe | !tell spacepower -about asking |
| 12:54.46 | jm_ | bliss1__: well do you want it? |
| 12:54.50 | FabParma | after set properly my samba server and ftp server, i let start Debian in text mod , no Xserver |
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| 12:55.32 | FabParma | jm_ , after set properly my samba server and ftp server, i let start Debian in text mod , no Xserver |
| 12:55.39 | jm_ | FabParma: yes, go on |
| 12:55.52 | bliss1__ | jm_ does it mean a network like a bridge network between virtual domais on a single machine ie a server |
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| 12:57.04 | jm_ | bliss1__: well it means virtual machines will be able to use networking I suppose - I am not really familiar with it (we do have ESX here, but that's different) |
| 12:57.04 | FabParma | i just , would like that debian starts work w/o start gdm etc |
| 12:57.05 | giacus | hello |
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| 12:57.07 | mr_blue | hi all |
| 12:57.17 | sirius | hello |
| 12:57.39 | jm_ | FabParma: well you just said it does since you have no X server installed |
| 12:57.47 | spacepower | is there any software to add pci card cause i have plugged pentanet pci card and the system didn't read it how to make it read it |
| 12:57.51 | giacus | does anyone know a script to convert local time (log files) in UTC ? |
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| 12:57.56 | bibe | FabParma : rc-update -f gdm remove |
| 12:57.58 | bliss1__ | jm_ thanks for listining |
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| 12:58.12 | jm_ | spacepower: you'll also need to load kernel driver for it |
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| 12:58.22 | mr_blue | my /etc/sysconfig/i18n says : LANG="C" but under my user account, the 'locale' command says : LANG="fr_FR@euro". My question is where those things are setted ? |
| 12:58.32 | FabParma | bibe, sometime i need X |
| 12:58.43 | jm_ | FabParma: you can always start it by hand with startx |
| 12:58.47 | spacepower | jm_: i can't find the kernel source of my current kernel version |
| 12:58.51 | FabParma | there is a configurator |
| 12:58.54 | jm_ | mr_blue: check /etc/environment |
| 12:58.56 | fas3r | i want to install freeradius .. it's not better to create all certificat before install freeradius .. |
| 12:59.01 | bibe | FabParma : of course, you can start it with startx or with /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 12:59.03 | jm_ | spacepower: why do you think you need it? |
| 12:59.03 | FabParma | but i cant remember the name |
| 12:59.21 | spacepower | jm_: i would compile the pentanet source |
| 12:59.38 | spacepower | they want the exact version of my current kernel |
| 12:59.59 | jm_ | spacepower: are you saying Linux kernel has no support for it? |
| 13:00.08 | FabParma | bibe, that configurator, changes the mode in few digits |
| 13:00.17 | spacepower | jm_: i found it in apt-cache search pentanet |
| 13:00.26 | mr_blue | jm_, ok thx. Last question : if i change any of the /etc/environment and /etc/sysconfig/i18n values, do i need to restart the machine for the system to take it in account ? |
| 13:00.32 | spacepower | i did apt-get install pentanet-dev pentanet-utils pentanet-doc |
| 13:00.47 | spacepower | but when i try to run it it says device not found |
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| 13:01.18 | iostream | Hi.. How can I use mysqldump in a script without supplying the password on the commandline, so its visible with ps aux? |
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| 13:02.34 | dak | heh just noticed i dont have an etc/environment |
| 13:02.38 | jm_ | mr_blue: just logout and login again, - /etc/sysconfig tells me you're not using Debian |
| 13:02.56 | sep | iostream, password in /etc/mysql/userconfig.cnf file |
| 13:03.09 | jm_ | spacepower: well I suspect this thing needs kernel driver before you'll be able to use it, and you must apparently configur eit with ifconfig |
| 13:03.16 | sep | iostream, look at debian's sys-main user in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 13:03.20 | sirius | Hi.. How to change the font to be smaller when system's started |
| 13:04.10 | bibe | sirius : are you talking about the font console? |
| 13:04.15 | spacepower | thanks anyway for ur help |
| 13:04.24 | iostream | sep: okay, I will give it a look, thanks for pointing me in a direction |
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| 13:05.39 | spacepower | so i have to jump back to redhat to use my penta card and dump debian |
| 13:05.40 | jm_ | spacepower: only kernel headers should suffice to build the driver |
| 13:05.44 | jm_ | spacepower: no |
| 13:05.54 | sirius | yes, after system updated,the font became lager.it's not pp |
| 13:06.04 | spacepower | jm_: i can't find the kernel source for my current kernal image |
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| 13:06.24 | jm_ | spacepower: you don't need to, you only need kernel headers if this driver is worth anything |
| 13:06.29 | verdee | hi everyone |
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| 13:07.45 | spacepower | jm_: my internet connection thats what it worth |
| 13:07.56 | jm_ | spacepower: this stuff seems to be for 2.4 only |
| 13:08.07 | spacepower | jm_: exactly its for 2.4 only |
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| 13:09.04 | jm_ | spacepower: well doesn't really matter, it will works the same as for RH |
| 13:09.08 | spacepower | jm_: i have the pentanet pci card plugged installed pentanet-dev and pentanet-utils and pentanet-docs |
| 13:09.54 | spacepower | jm_: the last thing is to make my system detect the pentanet and make it usable |
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| 13:10.25 | jm_ | spacepower: you also need pentanet driver from their web page |
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| 13:10.56 | spacepower | jm_: i have it but when i complie it it says no such kernel source |
| 13:11.43 | jm_ | spacepower: yeah it's a bit dumb I guess |
| 13:12.12 | spacepower | jm_: if i found the kernel source i wouldn't ask :S |
| 13:12.16 | verdee | i installed dpkg on my LFS system, but when i try to install something i get a "/var/lib/dpkg/status/ no such file", ideas? |
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| 13:12.43 | verdee | oop, status, not status/ |
| 13:12.52 | jm_ | spacepower: kernel source alone won't help you if it doesn't match your running kernel |
| 13:13.02 | spacepower | jm_: yeah exactly |
| 13:13.23 | voltagex | how do I put cpufreq support into my kernel? it's all compiled in but cpufreqd or powernowd can't find it |
| 13:13.52 | runo- | spacepower: just check your kernel version with 'uname -r' and get the sources with 'apt-get kernel-source-version-arch' |
| 13:14.06 | runo- | sorry, 'uname -a' i meant |
| 13:14.13 | jm_ | voltagex: check if you see /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 13:14.16 | spacepower | jm_: if i wanna get a kernel source do i apt-get install or apt-get source |
| 13:14.33 | jm_ | spacepower: you can use both actually ;) |
| 13:14.36 | spacepower | runo-: i did check and found nothing matches it |
| 13:14.49 | runo- | that's not possible :) |
| 13:14.54 | jm_ | spacepower: what kernel are you using then? |
| 13:15.01 | spacepower | jm_: does the install for kernel-source make it goes to /usr/src |
| 13:15.22 | spacepower | Linux JaMaL 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:16.49 | Slyboots | Hello |
| 13:16.52 | Benix | hi |
| 13:17.11 | Slyboots | Realy enjoing Debian so far ;) |
| 13:17.12 | jm_ | spacepower: that's outdated kernel, get newer one and then get kernel-source and apply your config to it |
| 13:17.18 | Slyboots | I've only attacked it with a stick..4? times |
| 13:17.27 | Slyboots | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.54 | jm_ | spacepower: you'll end up with tar in /usr/src that you can unpack |
| 13:18.04 | Benix | Slyboots: yes, debian is nice ;) |
| 13:18.06 | voltagex | oops, i was afk, did anyone answer my question? (can't scroll up in cli....) |
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| 13:18.29 | Slyboots | Anyhow, my current problem is, Im trying to build a Media center box using Myth but Debian is having issues with my TV card, Its a old Hanupeg(sp?) PCTV (Bttv chipset) |
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| 13:18.37 | Benix | don't understand why *b*nt* has that much users |
| 13:19.03 | guillaume-fr | Hi everybody, I need help with bind9 can someone help me pls ? |
| 13:19.10 | Slyboots | Its showing up as "Unknown" in Dmsg, so I've tried using Modprobe to pass the ID string manualy, but Do I ave to unload to Module every time I make a change? |
| 13:19.28 | Tidus | Slyboots: you might have to |
| 13:19.47 | Tidus | Slyboots: i have to do that with my old IXmicro turbotv (BT848 based) |
| 13:19.50 | bibe | guillaume-fr : ask your question |
| 13:19.58 | voltagex | if I'm compiling all the cpufreq support into the kernel, what else is there to do to get it working? |
| 13:20.00 | Slyboots | Okay, how do I do that then? :) when I try modprobe -r bttv, I get FATAL : Modal in Use |
| 13:20.21 | bibe | voltagex : use cpufreq or powernowd |
| 13:20.34 | Tidus | Slyboots: i know this is ugly, but try using 'rmmod bttv' |
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| 13:20.51 | voltagex | bibe: cpufreqd says support isn't in the kernel |
| 13:20.56 | Slyboots | ERROR : Module bttv is in use by bt878 |
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| 13:21.04 | verdee | i installed dpkg on my LFS system, but when i try to install something i get a "/var/lib/dpkg/status no such file", any ideas? |
| 13:21.06 | voltagex | bibe: same kind of error from powernowd |
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| 13:21.19 | Tidus | Slyboots: modprobe -r bt878 then modprobe -r bttv |
| 13:21.21 | Slyboots | Ah, fixed it |
| 13:21.25 | Slyboots | Yea, thats what I tried :) |
| 13:21.36 | guillaume-fr | bibe: I tried to set up the dns service behind an adsl router with the DMZ option, the service is running and responding to telnet session from the net on the port 53 but my dns service refuse to answer dig query |
| 13:22.00 | petemc | verdee: is there a lfs channel? |
| 13:22.13 | Slyboots | And I just run modprobe bttv to reinsert the modual back into the system? |
| 13:22.21 | Tidus | Slyboots: yep |
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| 13:22.41 | Slyboots | Kay, *Tries Scantv again* |
| 13:22.44 | azeem | verdee: I don't think using dpkg on a LFS system is a good idea |
| 13:23.01 | Slyboots | Hm.. no station |
| 13:23.09 | dak | omfg im going to go nuts |
| 13:23.11 | verdee | petemc: LFS people don't like install dpkg & Co |
| 13:23.12 | bibe | voltagex : can you paste your .config in the pastebin? |
| 13:23.16 | dak | torrentflux wont remove, and wont install |
| 13:23.20 | verdee | why azeem? |
| 13:23.24 | jm_ | Slyboots: I wouldn't expect that porn stations would be active at this time of the day :P |
| 13:24.17 | oskude | hi, what would be a good way to ask in a bash script if package "foo" is installed ? (i want to do a script that gets my favorite programm from cvs and compiles it, so i "need" to checkt that all depencies are installed before compiling) |
| 13:24.17 | guillaume-fr | bibe: this is the dig answer :; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> e-tourisme.biz |
| 13:24.17 | guillaume-fr | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 13:24.17 | guillaume-fr | ;; Got answer: |
| 13:24.17 | guillaume-fr | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 21854 |
| 13:24.17 | guillaume-fr | ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
| 13:24.17 | guillaume-fr | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
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| 13:24.18 | Slyboots | This is.. uh.. weird |
| 13:24.18 | azeem | verdee: because the current system is not managed in the dpkg database |
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| 13:24.18 | azeem | verdee: as you can see by the missing status file |
| 13:24.19 | Tidus | guillaume-fr: http://pastebin.com please. |
| 13:24.19 | Slyboots | in Xawtv, the "TV" screen shows squashed up static in top.. 1/5 of the window |
| 13:24.22 | Slyboots | the rest of the window is Dark-green |
| 13:24.25 | Tidus | Slyboots: you probably have it configured for the wrong tuner type |
| 13:24.38 | Tidus | Slyboots: i have an ntsc tuner, but if it's accidentally set to PAL, i get that. |
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| 13:24.50 | Slyboots | Yea, some station Im getting a "partal" signal |
| 13:24.56 | Slyboots | but its all scrambled |
| 13:24.58 | dak | jm whats error 10 for "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" |
| 13:25.06 | guillaume-fr | Tidus: sorry :) |
| 13:25.18 | Tidus | Slyboots: try changing your tv standard fro mthe default to the tv standard of your card. |
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| 13:25.29 | jm_ | dak: that means that whichever command failed returned 10, you need to know which command that was first |
| 13:25.30 | Tidus | i have to manually change mine from NTSC to PAL |
| 13:25.32 | Slyboots | Hmmm.. thats weird |
| 13:25.35 | Tidus | er... other way round |
| 13:25.37 | verdee | azeem: ok, thanks, so is it impossible to install dpkg in my condition? |
| 13:25.38 | Tidus | from PAL to NTSC |
| 13:25.38 | dak | apt-get -f install |
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| 13:25.44 | Slyboots | If I set it to NTSC, I get a stable picutre, but in black and white |
| 13:25.48 | dak | trying to get torrentflux unmessed up so it will remove |
| 13:25.48 | jm_ | dak: no, in the postinst script ... |
| 13:25.59 | azeem | verdee: I don't know, you can install /something/, but it will not be useful much |
| 13:26.11 | Slyboots | The black and white is understandable, as its a PAL signal |
| 13:26.22 | azeem | verdee: all the dependency information will be unaware of the packages you installed via LFS |
| 13:26.23 | Tidus | Slyboots: what kind of tuner is on your card? |
| 13:26.23 | Slyboots | The steady signal is.. not |
| 13:26.26 | jm_ | dak: use "set -x" if it's a shell script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst) and run dpkg --configure --pending to get the output |
| 13:26.33 | Slyboots | Im not sure, I *though* it was a Philips |
| 13:26.34 | jm_ | but I have to run now |
| 13:26.43 | snowaz | i have installed firefox, mplayer and mozilla-mplayer but cannot view streaming video. any help here? |
| 13:26.55 | Tidus | Slyboots: on my old ixmicro, i have a Temic 4032FY5, which is NTSC |
| 13:26.56 | verdee | azeem: ok, you are right, my idea was to use apt-get for X, Gnome & Co. |
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| 13:27.03 | Slyboots | Well its going to be PAL |
| 13:27.04 | Tidus | Slyboots: understandable, since i live in the US |
| 13:27.05 | Slyboots | I know that for sure |
| 13:27.08 | Slyboots | (Its a UK card) |
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| 13:27.58 | dak | well now i dont get any output |
| 13:28.02 | guillaume-fr | bibe: the service is responding to dig like that http://pastebin.com/686945 |
| 13:28.22 | dak | root@werd:09:26:59:~# dpkg --configure --pending | + dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 13:30.26 | djoby | #openfreebox |
| 13:30.30 | dak | ah got it, was crapping out because i was trying to remove the mysql db |
| 13:30.52 | guillaume-fr | bibe: what does 'status: REFUSED' is link to in my setup ? |
| 13:30.54 | Slyboots | this is weird |
| 13:31.16 | Slyboots | The only time I get a stable signal, is if I tell xawtv is a NTSC signal |
| 13:31.22 | Slyboots | But then I loose all the colour |
| 13:31.35 | Slyboots | Doesnt matter what tuner I select |
| 13:31.42 | Slyboots | Hmm, I'll try another card type.. |
| 13:31.43 | Tidus | hm... |
| 13:32.30 | FabParma | i use Sarge stable, but i'd like to get the testing and unstable packages. is it possible? |
| 13:32.31 | Slyboots | Ahh, that fixed it |
| 13:32.38 | dak | jm_: their a way to purge all old removed packages ? |
| 13:32.47 | Slyboots | Was the card, not the tuner |
| 13:32.54 | verdee | by |
| 13:32.56 | verdee | bye |
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| 13:33.06 | Tidus | Slyboots: good job |
| 13:34.00 | runo- | fabparma: it is possible, check debian reference for how to do it |
| 13:34.40 | Slyboots | Okay, it seems this guide is not for Debian |
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| 13:34.52 | Slyboots | Where does Debian load its modual infomation at boot? |
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| 13:35.13 | Slyboots | the guide says /etc/conf.modules but I dont have that file |
| 13:35.21 | bibe | guillaume-fr : I'm looking at the pastebin |
| 13:35.26 | nethenson | hello |
| 13:35.45 | Tidus | i wouldn't know on debian. |
| 13:35.51 | Tidus | i'm normally a (ack) gentoo user |
| 13:35.55 | Slyboots | Ah |
| 13:36.06 | Tidus | there it's /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 |
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| 13:36.35 | guillaume-fr | bibe: I can add my named.conf if needed |
| 13:36.37 | Tidus | i have a debian machine... but it's my router lol |
| 13:36.42 | streuner | !gentoosmite Tidus |
| 13:36.48 | Slyboots | Hm, I dont have /etc/module.. anything |
| 13:36.57 | Tidus | lemme check my router. |
| 13:37.05 | bibe | guillaume-fr : didn't you add your domains to named.conf.local? |
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| 13:37.31 | runo- | '/etc/modules' should have the modules to be loaded at boot time if that is what you mean |
| 13:37.35 | Tidus | Slyboots: /etc/modules.conf |
| 13:37.42 | Slyboots | Yea, thats not there ^^ |
| 13:37.56 | Slyboots | it's loading the module at boot, so it must be listed somewhere |
| 13:38.05 | FabParma | is it possible to browse unstable and testing packages from a stable Sarge using apt? |
| 13:38.12 | Slyboots | I just need to add arguments to the command |
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| 13:38.23 | azeem | FabParma: you can browse stuff at packages.debian.org |
| 13:38.26 | Tidus | Slyboots: look in /etc/modutils |
| 13:38.36 | Tidus | Slyboots: then run update-modules |
| 13:38.38 | FabParma | azeem: i know |
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| 13:38.54 | runo- | fabparma: yes it is possible, chech the debian reference |
| 13:38.58 | cahoot | Slyboots: /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d respectively (if kernel 2.6) |
| 13:39.13 | spoof | hello. how i can get cd/dvd image of all installed packages? |
| 13:39.20 | Tidus | Slyboots: the file you need to edit is /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 13:39.28 | FabParma | azeem: i'd like to browse only |
| 13:39.29 | setcode | hello |
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| 13:39.39 | Slyboots | Thanks Tidus |
| 13:39.42 | streuner | spoof: why do you want waste bandwidth? |
| 13:39.50 | Ranpha | Today everthing is going great. I got my wireless network working with wpa...installed openoffice 2.0.1 ..now i only need a simple to use ftp server with a graphic interface...what is the best?? i see so much ftpservers |
| 13:39.57 | Tidus | well... maybe. |
| 13:40.10 | streuner | spoof: most people just get d-i (debian-installer) and get what they need |
| 13:40.18 | streuner | over i-net |
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| 13:40.30 | Tidus | Slyboots: just poke around in /etc/modutils |
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| 13:40.30 | streuner | !d-i spoof |
| 13:40.31 | dpkg | spoof, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:40.36 | cahoot | streuner: isn't he speaking of installed pkgs? |
| 13:41.01 | bibe | guillaume-fr : 1) is your DNS authoritative for e-tourisme.biz domain? 2) did you add one or more forwarders to named.conf.options? 3) can your DNS send DNS queries to the forwarders? |
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| 13:41.22 | streuner | cahoot: /lastlog spoof |
| 13:41.29 | bibe | guillaume-fr : sorry but I have to go |
| 13:41.31 | cahoot | hello. how i can get cd/dvd image of all installed packages? |
| 13:41.46 | Brox | valdyn, because of yesterday: thanks allot |
| 13:42.10 | streuner | spoof: so you want burn just installed packages of the box? |
| 13:42.13 | spoof | streuner, i want to burn one cd for one time :) i dont want waste a bandwidth |
| 13:42.21 | spoof | streuner, yes |
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| 13:42.34 | streuner | spoof: uhm |
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| 13:42.42 | minerale | How can I start a second X server? I'd like to connect to a remote pc and run a full gnome session |
| 13:42.59 | streuner | spoof: easiest thing would be, if you have all packages in /var/lib/apt/archives |
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| 13:43.14 | hs | My system is lacking a /dev/dsp device. How can I (re)create it? |
| 13:43.17 | streuner | spoof: in this case you could just burn them |
| 13:43.18 | spoof | streuner, yes i know. but i havent it. |
| 13:43.30 | jaalto | minerale, would xnest(1) do? |
| 13:43.37 | cahoot | hs: using alsa? thn modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:43.47 | streuner | spoof: well, why do you want the packages on CD/DVD anyway? |
| 13:43.50 | spoof | i think about apt-zip or jigdo..but its to hard. |
| 13:43.50 | willwork4foo | OK - I don't get this. I can't get nvidia-glx to work on my system. I've installed the latest NVIDIA driver (version 1.0-8576) from nvidia's website, and now if I have nvidia-glx installed X won't start. I can run X without nvidia-glx installed though |
| 13:44.10 | jaalto | streuner, slow modem e.g. |
| 13:44.50 | streuner | jaalto: well, it seem he has the packages already installed.. |
| 13:45.01 | Slyboots | okay, going to reboot to see if this is configured right |
| 13:45.26 | jaalto | strankan, yes, but installing to another PC which may not have DSL |
| 13:45.35 | streuner | cahoot: not finish with coffee ;-) |
| 13:45.35 | Brox | a wlan card that builds my ad-hoc net has a very poor link quality - where can i go to improve it? |
| 13:45.45 | hs | cahoot: thanks, now I have a /dev/dsp device. I wonder why I had to load snd-pcm-oss when I want to use ALSA... |
| 13:45.50 | Slyboots | brb.. |
| 13:46.02 | Brox | and what does that actually mean... |
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| 13:46.10 | cahoot | hs: only if you use apps that use /dev/dsp |
| 13:46.21 | cahoot | hs: i e alsas oss-emulation |
| 13:46.22 | Brox | should the link quality of the device providing the wlan be 100%?? |
| 13:46.28 | willwork4foo | when I check the error logs, it says that the |
| 13:46.43 | jaalto | Btw, what it would need to wrap up a debian-install + my own custom packages so that NO network install is needed at all |
| 13:46.50 | Brox | if you dont care about this can you recommomend a good linux-wlan irc? |
| 13:46.56 | cahoot | hs: alsa-aware apps use the native alsa devices in /dev/snd |
| 13:47.04 | Brox | i will go away then |
| 13:47.07 | guillaume-fr | bibe: this is my named.conf http://pastebin.com/686970 |
| 13:47.19 | hs | cahoot: that was the missing piece of the puzzle, now it works :-) thanks again |
| 13:47.32 | spoof | streuner, ok. first of all i want download all installed packages and then integrate it with d-i for installing it on others computers whos hasn't internat connection and placed a far from me. |
| 13:47.37 | willwork4foo | how do I resolve this error message: http://pastebin.com/686972 |
| 13:47.53 | jaalto | spoof, exactly what I have been wondering too |
| 13:47.53 | willwork4foo | I get that when I try to launch X with nvidia-glx installed |
| 13:48.12 | streuner | spoof: sarge? |
| 13:48.17 | spoof | unstable |
| 13:48.36 | jaalto | spoof, Only testing is in d-i |
| 13:48.40 | snowaz | for debian mplayer package, which dir is the codecs in? |
| 13:48.54 | cahoot | hs: actually - alsaconf should take care of all this for you |
| 13:48.57 | streuner | wcodecs32 |
| 13:48.59 | jaalto | snowaz, dpkg -L <package> |
| 13:49.14 | streuner | w32codecs |
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| 13:49.28 | cahoot | hs: or maybe it's dpkg-reconfigure alsa |
| 13:49.39 | streuner | /usr/lib/codecs/ |
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| 13:50.07 | snowaz | streuner: thks. checking it out. |
| 13:50.10 | streuner | snowaz: install w32codecs or get 'essential package' of mplayer website |
| 13:50.15 | hs | cahoot: "alsaconf" works all right. I'll now try to see if sound still works after a reboot... |
| 13:50.22 | hs | bye! |
| 13:51.10 | snowaz | streuner: i am getting the 'all' package. but the doc say to extract them to /usr/local/lib/codec |
| 13:51.32 | spoof | jaalto, but i can put packages from unstable to d-i? |
| 13:51.47 | streuner | snowaz: just put marillat source into your sources.list and install w32codecs |
| 13:51.50 | vinzbn | Hello ! I need the help of an "iptables god" for a gateway that can't ping nor wget nor apt-get. |
| 13:52.05 | spoof | and first of all - how get all installed packages |
| 13:52.22 | wireddd | so there isn't a way to get flash 8 to work in firefox is there? |
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| 13:52.28 | r_marvin | vinzbn: a human would do just fine :) what happened? |
| 13:52.35 | sm|gone | hello |
| 13:52.39 | snowaz | yeh, i think that is a cleaner way. the system will know which dir to use. |
| 13:52.56 | jaalto | spoof, d-i (testing) and packages from unstable would probably be more work that you want to do if you plan to make integration between these two. Natually you can "upgrade" to testing after d-i |
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| 13:53.14 | jaalto | ... erm upgrade to "unstable" |
| 13:53.26 | sm|gone | earlier today, i went to install i386 on one of my new amd64 servers, and when i boot using 'linux26', it hung at 'Calibrating delay loop', so i used the 2.4 kernel. now when i try to put a 2.6 kernel on it, it just stops at the same place as the install |
| 13:53.30 | sm|gone | any ideas? |
| 13:54.01 | vinzbn | r_marvin > yes may be a human would help me :D I've setup iptables with a basic configuration but I've lost the internet connection only from the gateway, not from the lan |
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| 13:54.28 | jaalto | spoof, you need separate, clean partiton. 1) install with d-i, add packages as you need and /var/cache/apt/arch* will contain all programs you installed |
| 13:54.29 | r_marvin | check INPUT and OUTPUT chains |
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| 13:54.51 | r_marvin | OUTPUT should be empty |
| 13:54.55 | vinzbn | r_marvin > would you like to see my ..... iptables script ? |
| 13:54.59 | snowaz | streuner: w32codecs are not only for Window format, but alao Realplayer format? |
| 13:55.08 | r_marvin | no |
| 13:55.26 | r_marvin | use pastebin or smth and put "iptables -vnL " there |
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| 13:56.13 | vinzbn | r_marvin > ok :p I've posted my firewall on a forum on the net ... that's why a proposed you to see it |
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| 13:56.37 | Slyboots | Okay, this is what I hate about debian.. |
| 13:56.48 | Slyboots | Guide tells me to edit /etc/modules.conf, So I open that in nano |
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| 13:57.04 | Slyboots | It has a *dire* warning about NOT editing that file, and I should use "update-modules" |
| 13:57.05 | streuner | which guide? |
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| 13:57.18 | Slyboots | So I fire up man update-modules, "Obsolete command, do not use" |
| 13:57.20 | r_marvin | Slyboots: use debian-specific guides, if possible |
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| 13:57.27 | r_marvin | lol |
| 13:57.28 | Slyboots | This WAS for Debian |
| 13:57.31 | Slyboots | I guess its out-dated |
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| 13:57.44 | cahoot | Slyboots: /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d respectively (if kernel 2.6) |
| 13:57.47 | r_marvin | i usually put whatever i need in /etc/modules :) |
| 13:57.54 | vinzbn | r_marvin > http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/OSAlternatifs/Iptables-J-invoque-dieu-Iptables-sujet-57166-2.htm#t805549 |
| 13:58.05 | streuner | the only thing i saw ever was a guide who told you to edit modules.conf for bttv and that was serveral years ago... |
| 13:58.11 | Slyboots | Well I dont have a /etc/modules.. |
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| 13:58.21 | streuner | YOU don't need to edit /etc/modules.conf |
| 13:58.23 | streuner | in debian |
| 13:58.36 | streuner | if you haven't /etc/modules you don't run debian |
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| 13:58.39 | jaalto | Slyboots, update-modules is fine, it won't chnage during etch |
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| 13:58.47 | spoof | jaalto, thnx. seems download all packages and make dpks -i *.deb is more easier :) |
| 13:59.27 | streuner | !tell spoof about own repo |
| 13:59.29 | r_marvin | vinzbn: i would want an iptables -vnL first, if you don't mind |
| 13:59.58 | Slyboots | Im on Sarge |
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| 14:00.11 | Slyboots | aynway, Akll I need to do, is alter modprobe bttv, so it adds a argument on the end |
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| 14:00.38 | Slyboots | So, would I do that in.. Alais's? |
| 14:00.43 | snowaz | Brox: i happen to do using wlan. link quality of 55/100 gives me a good link. |
| 14:01.02 | snowaz | Brox: for irc, there is #wireless. |
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| 14:01.20 | r_marvin | vinzbn: for starters, "iptables -P INPUT DROP" is a big no-no |
| 14:01.37 | streuner | Slyboots: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 14:01.39 | vinzbn | r_marvin > oops sorry ;) --> http://pastebin.com/686996 |
| 14:02.00 | chino | sarge right ? |
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| 14:02.05 | chino | isn't that the newest stable nick name ? |
| 14:02.09 | fapeg | hi |
| 14:02.17 | Eclipser | !sarge |
| 14:02.18 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 14:02.19 | streuner | chino: sarge=stable |
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| 14:02.23 | vinzbn | r_marvin > why not ?? |
| 14:02.27 | dak | anyone know how to purge all old removed packages at once? |
| 14:02.42 | streuner | dak: deborphan? |
| 14:02.48 | r_marvin | because on the next remote flush, you'll be left in the air |
| 14:02.55 | dak | that will purge old packages? |
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| 14:02.59 | streuner | dak: apt-get (auto)clean? |
| 14:03.15 | streuner | dak: which old packages, packages in your cache? |
| 14:03.23 | r_marvin | vinzbn: the problem seems to be that you only accept ssh connections on eth0 |
| 14:03.34 | streuner | dak: or libs which aren't used for your system? |
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| 14:03.35 | dak | dont that just remove old downloaded debs in var/aptt |
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| 14:03.42 | dak | no |
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| 14:03.43 | jaalto | dak, I don't think you can. --purge is possible only at remove time. The information is gone |
| 14:03.45 | dak | packages lambed "rc" |
| 14:03.52 | dak | old removed packages that are not purged |
| 14:03.54 | vinzbn | r_marvin > eth0 is my outside interface |
| 14:04.00 | r_marvin | you would want to accept ESTABLISHED,RELATED separately |
| 14:04.10 | dak | k jaalto |
| 14:04.11 | Eclipser | r_marvin, why? :) |
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| 14:04.27 | r_marvin | vinzbn: exactly, nothing comes from outside except ssh connections |
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| 14:04.45 | r_marvin | neither icmp replies nor tcp replies |
| 14:04.48 | jaalto | dak, more precisely that sripts that could remove config files are gone (when the package was removed) |
| 14:04.56 | r_marvin | Eclipser: why what? |
| 14:05.03 | dak | ah ok |
| 14:05.08 | jaalto | s/sripts/scripts/ |
| 14:05.10 | Eclipser | why accept ESTABLISHED,RELATED separately? |
| 14:05.13 | vinzbn | r_marvin > I don't anderstand, I've opened all communication from fw and lan to internet |
| 14:05.19 | dak | just sucks having to do them all by hand |
| 14:05.25 | lord_rob | Hi ! How do I install custom latex packages (mypackage.sty) system-wide ? |
| 14:05.27 | Eclipser | it works fine for me in one rule |
| 14:05.43 | vinzbn | r_marvin > Eclipser > yes and why accept ESTABLISHED, RELATED separately ? |
| 14:05.52 | r_marvin | because if you start a ping or wget, you want the packages to arrive to you somehow |
| 14:06.15 | r_marvin | Eclipser: he has established and related in the same rule as ssh |
| 14:06.17 | vinzbn | r_marvin > and both rules together isn't enough ? |
| 14:06.21 | lamby | lord_rob: try /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/misc ? |
| 14:06.24 | jaalto | dak, the only proper way is to 1) grep all 'rc' 2) --reinstall install 3) --yes -y --force-yes --purge remove ... but you might not really want that |
| 14:06.25 | vinzbn | r_marvin > ah ok |
| 14:06.25 | Eclipser | r_marvin, AH! |
| 14:06.27 | streuner | dak: run deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge |
| 14:06.40 | Eclipser | r_marvin, I thought you meant to separate ESTABLISHED and RELATED |
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| 14:06.50 | spoof | streuner, thnx ;) it is solution of one problem :) |
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| 14:06.58 | r_marvin | Eclipser: no, i was looking at his exact firewall |
| 14:07.04 | Eclipser | yes, sorry |
| 14:07.06 | Eclipser | carry on |
| 14:07.08 | r_marvin | http://pastebin.com/686996 |
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| 14:08.09 | Slyboots | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.14 | Slyboots | Pain in the ass that.. |
| 14:08.16 | jair | guys the best way to compress a home directory is using the zip or bzip2? |
| 14:08.17 | vinzbn | r_marvin > is it why I don't have the net ? |
| 14:08.27 | r_marvin | vinzbn: yes |
| 14:08.33 | vinzbn | r_marvin > ok !!!! |
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| 14:08.39 | jaalto | jair, bzip2 definitely (better ratio) |
| 14:08.58 | r_marvin | also, i'd replace the drop policy on input with accept and a catchall rule that drops everything |
| 14:09.02 | jair | jaalto, do you know where i can find the manual or a wiki page to see how to use it :) |
| 14:09.07 | snowaz | hi, anyone using debian version of mplayer with the default 'blue' skin? i can't play item fr a playlist. " Error opening/initializin...? |
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| 14:09.12 | guillaume-fr | i'm still looking for bind9 guru... |
| 14:09.13 | Eclipser | vinzbn, cut the exclamation marks :< |
| 14:09.18 | Eclipser | vinzbn, only one is enough! |
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| 14:09.39 | vinzbn | r_marvin > I've to create only 1 rule for the RELATED,ESTABLISHED without any other rule ? |
| 14:09.47 | Zvpun | what package/process is responsible for /media/* (cdrom, cdrom0, floppy and so on)? |
| 14:09.50 | jaalto | jair, bzip2? Ask manual pages. You would also need tar(1) command. GOOGLE will bring hyndreads of pages if manuals are not enough |
| 14:09.51 | vinzbn | Eclipser > sorry :) |
| 14:09.58 | r_marvin | exactly, you don't even need an interface |
| 14:10.07 | jair | jaalto, ok got it |
| 14:10.15 | r_marvin | make sure that you dont permit NEW from outside, though |
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| 14:11.03 | iostream | What kind of ftp-client is well suited for running in scripts for backup? |
| 14:11.14 | vinzbn | r_marvin > ok ! new from outside = that's a really important point that I do survey |
| 14:11.21 | jaalto | iostream, ncftpput ? |
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| 14:11.39 | kspath | iostream: ssh? wget? |
| 14:11.48 | iostream | jaalto: can it read user/pass from a file? |
| 14:11.57 | Eclipser | #bash says "don't make backup scripts" |
| 14:11.57 | r_marvin | vinzbn: usually those two rules should make a decent firewall by themselves :) |
| 14:12.02 | iostream | kspath: Its backing up to a ftp server running on windows :/ |
| 14:12.14 | kspath | iostream: Sounds like a mistake. |
| 14:12.20 | vinzbn | r_marvin > If I show you my iptables script in pastebin, will that be ok for you to help me to correct it ? |
| 14:12.31 | iostream | kspath: Oh yeah, I would have used rsync+ssh, but not my choice.. so |
| 14:12.34 | jaalto | iostream, yes |
| 14:12.37 | r_marvin | sorry, i have other work |
| 14:12.55 | iostream | jaalto: okay, I will try it then, is the package called ncftp og ncftp2? |
| 14:13.29 | vinzbn | r_marvin > ok no problem ;) |
| 14:13.35 | jaalto | iostream, it's all the same, just newer |
| 14:13.41 | iostream | jaalto: which is newer? |
| 14:13.46 | kspath | !smite Slyboots |
| 14:13.49 | Slyboots | How hard should this realy be o.o |
| 14:14.00 | Slyboots | I only want to pass a argument to a modual o.o |
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| 14:14.15 | jaalto | iostream, see apt-cache show <package> |
| 14:14.28 | iostream | jaalto: It seems that ncftp is newer |
| 14:14.40 | Slyboots | bah! I have no money anyway, the RIAA cna do there worst |
| 14:14.43 | Slyboots | Cant get blood from a stone |
| 14:15.01 | Eclipser | they'll just end up paying up your previous debts |
| 14:15.05 | Slyboots | Has anyone else done this? I've hit a total brick wall |
| 14:15.19 | Slyboots | Most of the guilds say use "update-modules" |
| 14:15.30 | Slyboots | and update-modules tells you NOT to use it, with no hint at what I SHOULD be doing |
| 14:15.35 | jaalto | Slyboots, use update-modules. |
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| 14:15.45 | vinzbn | r_marvin > the thing is that I've read that all my rules had to have a state parameter. Why shouldn't I use these "state" for each rule ? |
| 14:15.51 | Slyboots | ... How though?! |
| 14:16.08 | Slyboots | The MAN page is empty, beyond "You shoudl remove this package from your system" |
| 14:16.21 | Eclipser | haha |
| 14:16.25 | r_marvin | the state parameter applies only for the -m state extension |
| 14:16.34 | snowaz | no one uses debian mplayer here? |
| 14:16.40 | r_marvin | if you don't need it, don't use it |
| 14:16.41 | jaalto | Slyboots, unless you're supporting customer for next 3 years. It really doesn't matter. update-modules is here to stay for at least a year from now |
| 14:16.57 | Slyboots | So what, I figure out how to use it.. by.. guesswork? |
| 14:17.15 | jaalto | Slyboots, that another question :-) |
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| 14:17.26 | Slyboots | You guys arnt much help, you do know that right |
| 14:17.26 | snowaz | all of you GFY. |
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| 14:17.45 | Slyboots | No wonder people use windows instead |
| 14:18.08 | willwork4foo | hiya - I got a really weird problem here. I'm using the 2.6.16.11 kernel, and the NVIDIA drivers from the nvidia website - and every time I reboot, I have to re-run the NVIDIA driver installer otherwise X doesn't work. |
| 14:18.10 | kspath | Slyboots: You are welcome to join #windows. |
| 14:18.14 | willwork4foo | what's going on? |
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| 14:18.25 | streuner | Slyboots: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 14:18.27 | fas3r | apt-get build-dep "name of package" install or upgrade all package necessary for "the package" it's that |
| 14:18.28 | willwork4foo | why is Debian breaking my nvidia driver setup every time I reboot? |
| 14:18.29 | mcgreg | critical bugs of udev (0.089-1 -> 0.091-1) <open> |
| 14:18.29 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.29 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.31 | willwork4foo | anyone? |
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| 14:18.55 | Slyboots | Yea, like Im realy going to run that now :P |
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| 14:19.08 | vinzbn | r_marvin > oook. so to resume : I replace the "INPUT DROP" for "INPUT -NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT" and "OUTPUT -RELATED, ESTABLISHED ACCEPT" ? (sorry for uppercase) |
| 14:19.09 | jaalto | Slyboots, " update-modules - (re)generate /etc/modules.conf and /etc/chandev.conf" |
| 14:19.17 | streuner | Slyboots: before making such statements better answer our questions |
| 14:19.22 | r_marvin | vinzbn: no, no, no |
| 14:19.34 | Slyboots | Your not realy asking questions, you are making unhelpfull statments |
| 14:19.35 | r_marvin | please, take the time and read an iptables manual |
| 14:19.36 | vinzbn | r_marvin > .... raaahhh :D |
| 14:19.53 | streuner | Slyboots: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? <-- is that too hard for you? |
| 14:19.56 | r_marvin | vinzbn: i'd recommend rusty's netfilter howto |
| 14:20.12 | Slyboots | "Use update-modules" Well thats great, How exactly do I acomplish that, as running it doesnet seem to actuly *do* anything and the only instructions in the man page is "Do not use me" |
| 14:20.12 | vinzbn | r_marvin > I think I'm gonna write my own iptables manual as I've read so much tutorials :D |
| 14:20.20 | r_marvin | then come and ask the question again |
| 14:20.38 | r_marvin | vinzbn: you'd better understand what they are trying to say first |
| 14:20.45 | willwork4foo | anyone got any idea why Debian is breaking my nvidia driver setup each time I reboot? |
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| 14:20.55 | jaalto | Slyboots, please see my previous post that epxllains what the update-modules does. It does *not* take arguments |
| 14:21.02 | Slyboots | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 14:21.28 | streuner | Slyboots: so you just to run bttv right? |
| 14:21.28 | lamby | willwork4foo: are you using an official debian kernel? |
| 14:21.38 | AngelGabriel | Can anyone point me in the direction of a floppy disk image that can boot CD's please? |
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| 14:21.52 | smeevil | hello all |
| 14:21.54 | Slyboots | the module bttv, Yes. |
| 14:21.55 | vinzbn | r_marvin > ok ! I'm gonna read an other manual. Thanks for your help ;) |
| 14:22.02 | Slyboots | But, it is not detecting my card correctly at bootup |
| 14:22.05 | lamby | smeevil: hello |
| 14:22.09 | peppet | willwork4foo: are you rebooting with a different kernel every time? |
| 14:22.13 | streuner | Slyboots: what kernel do you have? (cat /proc/version) |
| 14:22.18 | Slyboots | So, I need to pass the card, tuner argument for a manual selection |
| 14:22.28 | r_marvin | vinzbn: please understand the stateful aspect, the chains and the policies |
| 14:22.29 | willwork4foo | peppet, nope. same kernel. |
| 14:22.34 | Slyboots | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 14:22.36 | r_marvin | after that, the syntax is easy |
| 14:22.36 | willwork4foo | I am not changing a thing between reboots. |
| 14:22.41 | Serial | /o/ |
| 14:22.46 | tilrway | AngelGabriel: smart boot manager |
| 14:22.52 | Slyboots | Its just the stock kernel that comes with the net install Sarge CD |
| 14:22.55 | willwork4foo | lamby, no, because the official debian kernel doesn't work. I'm using my own compiled kernel 2.6.16.11 |
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| 14:23.00 | streuner | Slyboots: ok, just paste /var/log/dmesg.log into paster bot |
| 14:23.02 | streuner | !paste |
| 14:23.03 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:23.11 | Serial | richartcont : hello, how are you? |
| 14:23.11 | dpkg | Serial: just great |
| 14:23.11 | Serial | :P |
| 14:23.18 | Slyboots | All of it? .. why? |
| 14:23.26 | Serial | dpkg im fine |
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| 14:23.29 | Serial | XD |
| 14:23.46 | streuner | Slyboots: to get more infos about your system |
| 14:23.48 | richartcont | Holas you flow wanted to know if I buy east model of lapton my debian goes to funcar well since nonencounter much in the Web haci that reccurro to its experience graciasss..!!el model is COMPAQ M2405L |
| 14:23.49 | lamby | willwork4foo: hmm. so what 'breaks' ? |
| 14:24.02 | richartcont | Serial, hello |
| 14:24.06 | richartcont | here |
| 14:24.11 | vinzbn | r_marvin > what's funny is that I've been on some of his related tutorial links. So let's go to read this one :) |
| 14:24.12 | Serial | ;P |
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| 14:24.55 | r_marvin | vinzbn: i think it's "package filtering howto" or smth |
| 14:24.55 | willwork4foo | lamby: X refuses to launch, and I have to re-run the installer again |
| 14:25.05 | richartcont | Procesador AMD Mobile Sempron TM de 300+ Con tecnologia PowerNow 128KB cache (1.8 GHZ) |
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| 14:25.09 | willwork4foo | once I've re-run the NVIDIA installer, everything is fine again |
| 14:25.15 | kspath | richartcont: or something? |
| 14:25.19 | streuner | Slyboots: if you can't paste, just look for an error in that log-file |
| 14:25.20 | scoldef | hi all, i have a question: i have two terminal windows with the same locale settings but when i run df it shows differently - one is good and the other is a mess |
| 14:25.20 | willwork4foo | even Direct rendering works. |
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| 14:25.34 | Slyboots | I know what the error is related to bttv :P |
| 14:25.38 | Slyboots | I know how to fix it, |
| 14:25.39 | willwork4foo | but it's annoying to have to re-run the NVIDIA installer each time I want to boot my machine and use X |
| 14:25.41 | kspath | richartcont: sorry, tab mistake. |
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| 14:25.52 | Slyboots | I just need to know, how to pass the argument to the bttv module at bootup |
| 14:25.54 | kspath | r_marvin: or something? |
| 14:26.00 | streuner | well, usually you don't need to fix something in order to run bttv |
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| 14:26.16 | J_P | hi all |
| 14:26.19 | Slyboots | Its not detecting the tuner/card correctly, it shows up as Unknown |
| 14:26.23 | streuner | Slyboots: modinfo bttv |
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| 14:26.32 | streuner | Slyboots: edit /etc/modules then |
| 14:26.34 | smeevil | coud someone please tell me how i can tell apt-get to ignore some dependencies ? (it keeps complaining about mysql-client-4.1: Depends: libmysqlclient14 (>= 4.1.13a-3) but 4.1.13-1 is to be installed) which i had to dpkg -i --force-all , which is all fine , but now i cannot get apt to install anything until its solved |
| 14:26.43 | r_marvin | kspath: yes, sorry for my irc-ism |
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| 14:27.08 | richartcont | 40 GB HD 420 rpm |
| 14:27.09 | richartcont | <richartcont> <richartcont> 256 MB DDR SDRAM |
| 14:27.09 | richartcont | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.09 | richartcont | < Broadcom Wireless LAN |
| 14:27.09 | richartcont | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.13 | streuner | Slyboots: well, does it see in 'lspci -v'? |
| 14:27.18 | Slyboots | Yes |
| 14:27.20 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 14:27.38 | Liquid_Ic | I have IPSec VPN access to several remote sites. each site is using a unique IP range. Is there a way to setup a linux install so that it makes the connection to the remote VPN sites then all of those IP ranges are availible on my local LAN? |
| 14:27.53 | streuner | Slyboots: and lspci *know* the chipset too? |
| 14:28.01 | scoldef | Can anybody in here help me with locales ? |
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| 14:28.09 | jaalto | smeevil, Tsot, tsot: bad move: --force-all, Debian is not RPM |
| 14:28.13 | streuner | scoldef: etch? |
| 14:28.15 | Maulkin | Liquid_Ic: IIRC, iptables can do that |
| 14:28.27 | smeevil | jaalto, i know, but in this case i had to |
| 14:28.33 | Slyboots | "Multimedia Video Controller: Brooktree Corp Bt878 Video/Audio Caputre@ |
| 14:28.34 | peppet | Liquid_Ic: set routing table |
| 14:28.44 | Maulkin | Or yeah, routing tables :) |
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| 14:28.54 | Liquid_Ic | ok, i'll look into that |
| 14:28.56 | streuner | Slyboots: well, pretty odd then, because its very good supported in Linux |
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| 14:29.13 | scoldef | i have two terminal windows with the same LC_ , LANG, LANGUAGE settings but in one df shows it fine and the other is a mess |
| 14:29.14 | Slyboots | *rubs his eyes* |
| 14:29.19 | lamby | willwork4foo: what is the error on starting X? if the nvidiainstaller compiles the modules into /usr/lib/.. then i'm not sure what would delete them. :S |
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| 14:29.28 | Slyboots | Yes, it is odd |
| 14:29.42 | dpkg | bonjour, streuner |
| 14:29.45 | jaalto | smeevil, try "install -f". Or removing the package complete and doing ireinstall |
| 14:30.24 | scoldef | streuner: i have two terminal windows with the same LC_ , LANG, LANGUAGE settings but in one df shows it fine and the other is a mess |
| 14:30.24 | smeevil | jaalto, where can i find that package complete ? |
| 14:30.39 | streuner | Slyboots: anyway if you think you need options just edit /etc/modules and edit it with the right options then |
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| 14:30.56 | kspath | scoldef: stty sane ^j |
| 14:31.09 | jaalto | smeevil, Pardon? "apt-get install -f" should get you started |
| 14:31.19 | streuner | Slyboots: or/and remove bttv and try it as root, modprobe bttv <options> |
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| 14:31.40 | Slyboots | streuner, that worsk, but does nto survive a reboot |
| 14:31.56 | Slyboots | Okay, I've got /etc/modules open, so I just stick in.. bttv (arguments) |
| 14:31.59 | streuner | Slyboots: ok, look into dmesg then |
| 14:32.24 | scoldef | kspath: never heard of it but will try .. thx ! |
| 14:32.31 | Slyboots | Okay, I can see the error here |
| 14:32.36 | kspath | scoldef: man stty |
| 14:32.41 | Slyboots | bttv : Brooktree blah blah blah.. |
| 14:32.47 | Slyboots | Card : **UNKNOWN** |
| 14:32.49 | kspath | scoldef: ^j being control-j |
| 14:32.53 | Slyboots | Setting Tuner to -1 |
| 14:33.28 | Slyboots | (It should be card 10, Tuner 5) |
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| 14:33.49 | streuner | try to *blacklist* them too |
| 14:33.54 | streuner | !blacklist |
| 14:34.18 | Slyboots | ? |
| 14:34.20 | iostream | Would this work as expected?: foo 2>1 | bar (redirect all ouput from foo, both stderr and stdin, to bar) ? |
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| 14:35.40 | streuner | Slyboots: do you have discover/hotplug installed? |
| 14:35.42 | jair | guys I am trying and trying to compress the /home/user directory and I can't I want to compress using bzip2 do i need to compress with tar and then something else?? and the other thing is that I want to compress a DIRECTORY not a file of course the DIRECTORY and everything inside of it. |
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| 14:36.02 | jair | I keep searching in google in the meantime |
| 14:36.04 | lamby | iostream: I think so, although i think you need 2>&1 instead of 2>1 |
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| 14:36.05 | jair | :( |
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| 14:36.21 | streuner | dondelelcaro: dpkg lags |
| 14:36.33 | lamby | jair: you are right--you need to tar first, then bzip2 the resulting tar file |
| 14:36.46 | Slyboots | Fairly sure, USB requires hotplug no? |
| 14:36.48 | dpkg | [blacklist] Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 14:37.05 | streuner | Slyboots: no, but it helps |
| 14:37.05 | jair | lamby, :) I think i find something in wiki :) |
| 14:37.05 | kspath | iostream: man bash search for REDIRECTION |
| 14:37.06 | lamby | jair: tar -cvf tar.tar /home/user && gzip tar.tar |
| 14:37.16 | Slyboots | Yes, I have discover installed |
| 14:37.21 | jair | lamby, I want bzip not gzip |
| 14:37.23 | Slyboots | hotplug too |
| 14:37.24 | Zvpun | what package/process is responsible for /media/* (cdrom, cdrom0, floppy and so on)? |
| 14:37.25 | jair | bzip2 |
| 14:37.47 | lamby | jair: oh, then just replace with bzip. a habit of mine, sorry. |
| 14:37.48 | mcgreg | btw, did youi hear/read about starcraft for linux? did anybody test it? |
| 14:38.14 | Slyboots | I dont understand, how will blacklisting bttv help? |
| 14:38.44 | jair | lamby, so first I do tar -cvf home_bk.tar /home/user && bzip2 home_bk.tar |
| 14:39.04 | streuner | well, i think /etc/modules is the first one who take care about bttv then |
| 14:39.30 | streuner | S20module-init-tools S40hostname.sh S71xserver-xorg |
| 14:39.30 | streuner | S20modutils |
| 14:39.38 | lamby | jair: yes |
| 14:39.39 | Slyboots | well I stuck "bttv card=10 tuner=5" in that file |
| 14:39.44 | jaalto | jait, see also "man tar" and option -j |
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| 14:39.49 | streuner | S36discover |
| 14:39.52 | guillaume-fr | why when i do dig @my public ip do i get this message : reply from unexpected source ... ???? |
| 14:39.55 | Slyboots | Which is the correct arguments (Sans the modprobe command) |
| 14:39.59 | Slyboots | So.. that should work? |
| 14:40.07 | jair | lamby, but it will compress everything inside of /home/user? |
| 14:40.11 | jaalto | jair, see also "man tar" and option -j |
| 14:40.31 | Zvpun | jaalto: you could also use -j with GNU tar instad of bzip2 later on |
| 14:40.33 | streuner | Slyboots: man insmod, man modprobe |
| 14:40.40 | lamby | jair: yes, the bit after the "&&" does that. but see also jaalto suggestions |
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| 14:41.01 | jair | jaalto, ok |
| 14:41.04 | Slyboots | Okay, I'll reboot and see if it worked |
| 14:41.05 | jair | lamby, ok |
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| 14:41.08 | Slyboots | BRB :P |
| 14:41.12 | streuner | good luck |
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| 14:43.31 | nonex-nlp | hi ppl |
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| 14:43.36 | nonex-nlp | pls me need help |
| 14:43.51 | streuner | !ask |
| 14:43.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:45.00 | Slyboots | right, Didnet work |
| 14:46.32 | streuner | !didn't work |
| 14:46.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:47.00 | streuner | in this case, are you getting the same error or a different one? |
| 14:47.12 | nonex-nlp | who use prtunnel!! |
| 14:47.13 | nonex-nlp | ? |
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| 14:47.46 | Slyboots | Im not getting *any* error |
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| 14:47.55 | Adrian | !polls |
| 14:47.55 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 14:48.06 | Slyboots | Its just ignoring and setting the card to unknown, and the tuner to -1 |
| 14:48.43 | streuner | Slyboots: what happens if you blacklist the modules for discover/hotplug? |
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| 14:48.58 | Slyboots | Let me try it now |
| 14:49.00 | ghenry | quickie, what's the difference between drwxr-S--- and drwxr-s--- via "ls -ld" |
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| 14:49.23 | Slyboots | !blacklist |
| 14:49.24 | dpkg | i heard blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 14:50.02 | Slyboots | but since bttv is a module |
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| 14:50.07 | Slyboots | Wont blacklisting it stop it loading totaly? |
| 14:50.25 | streuner | why, its in /etc/modules... |
| 14:50.29 | Serial | http://youtube.com/watch?v=XgPsGeSAOO4&search=ostion |
| 14:50.36 | Zvpun | what package/process is responsible for /media/* (cdrom, cdrom0, floppy and so on)? |
| 14:51.03 | Slyboots | actuly, no its not anymore.. |
| 14:51.04 | Slyboots | wtf? |
| 14:51.06 | Slyboots | Its removed it! |
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| 14:51.32 | Slyboots | Its freaking gone and undone the changes I made |
| 14:51.44 | streuner | heh |
| 14:52.06 | Slyboots | Why does it hate me so? |
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| 14:52.10 | kspath | Slyboots: You need the do what I want interface. |
| 14:52.10 | Slyboots | What wrong have I done it? |
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| 14:52.22 | Slyboots | Sounds like it kspath |
| 14:52.25 | streuner | Slyboots: just try 'mc' |
| 14:52.29 | onweald_tim | I am using dd to copy a 250GB hd. I used: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 14:52.40 | Frogzoo | kspath: is there a repo? linkie please... |
| 14:52.40 | Slyboots | mc? in bash? |
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| 14:52.44 | onweald_tim | It has been running for 11 hours. |
| 14:52.45 | streuner | Slyboots: F4 to edit the file |
| 14:52.51 | kspath | Frogzoo: ? |
| 14:52.52 | scoldef | streuner: stty sane doesn't help .. |
| 14:52.53 | streuner | Slyboots: apt-get install mc |
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| 14:53.02 | onweald_tim | That seems long even for a 250gb drive. |
| 14:53.07 | Slyboots | I know how to save a file |
| 14:53.10 | Frogzoo | kspath: I want the 'do what I want' interface... |
| 14:53.10 | jair | jaalto, I can do this first tar -cvf tar.tar /home/user and then after that I can go to the shell and do: tar --bzip2 user.tar ? |
| 14:53.23 | streuner | Slyboots: so why the changes are gone? |
| 14:53.23 | Slyboots | Its just gone and reverted the changes |
| 14:53.25 | sphenxes | how can I compare two directories to check if they are similar? |
| 14:53.28 | kspath | Frogzoo: Sorry. It was an attempt at humour. |
| 14:53.36 | Slyboots | I dontbloody know, Ask Debian |
| 14:53.37 | onweald_tim | Is there a parameter I should have used for buffering? BTW, they are on the same ide cable (which would slow it down, I know) |
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| 14:53.59 | Frogzoo | kspath: there's a humour repo? |
| 14:54.00 | Slyboots | It seems to be holding all the cards in this battle |
| 14:54.27 | lamby | sphenxes: find /dir1 > dir1.txt && find /dir2 > dir2.txt && diff dir1.txt dir2.txt ? |
| 14:54.30 | kspath | scoldef: When I have had a terminal go nutz with garbage stty sane control-j has fixed it completely almost everytime. |
| 14:54.37 | saloxin_ | sphenxes: dirdiff |
| 14:54.41 | streuner | Slyboots: ls -l /etc/modules |
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| 14:54.42 | kspath | s/nutz/nuts/ |
| 14:54.47 | lamby | saloxin_: lol |
| 14:54.51 | streuner | Slyboots: the system doesn't change that file |
| 14:54.54 | sphenxes | saloxin_, lamby thanks |
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| 14:54.58 | Slyboots | Belongs to root |
| 14:55.07 | Slyboots | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 280 2006-04-28 00:38 /etc/modules |
| 14:55.13 | streuner | Slyboots: if you don't believe me, just reboot the box and see if it change it then |
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| 14:55.25 | jair | once I have a user.tar file I can compress it using bzip2? |
| 14:55.27 | kspath | Frogzoo: I do not know of one. Perhaps that is why I lack good humour. |
| 14:55.30 | Frogzoo | scoldef: kspath: echo ctrl v esc c works for me |
| 14:55.31 | scoldef | streuner: its not totaly crazy, it just doesn't show cyrillic letters |
| 14:56.11 | blondie | !fr |
| 14:56.12 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 14:56.19 | Frogzoo | kspath: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:56.39 | Slyboots | Okay, I made the changes using Midnight commander |
| 14:56.47 | kspath | Frogzoo: I do not understand. |
| 14:57.01 | Slyboots | Confirmed the save (again) and opened the file afterwards, Just to MAKE sure the changes are there |
| 14:57.08 | Slyboots | Cause, clearly I dont know how to *save* a file |
| 14:57.10 | Slyboots | Rebooting.. |
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| 14:58.57 | scoldef | Frogzoo: i think my problem is that the terminal doesn't pick the correct font to write cyrillic letters |
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| 15:00.26 | JordiGH | Hey, I need help moving an ext3 into some freespace that I have put behind an ntfs partition. Anyone had any luck doing something like this? |
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| 15:00.56 | JordiGH | I'm currently apt-getting gparted and hoping that it will help. |
| 15:01.08 | Slyboots | And lo and behold, the changes are gone, *again* |
| 15:01.52 | netman1 | Hi All. What else do I need to do to get a s-bit shellscript working besides ownership by root and the 'chmod u+s script'? I can't get it to work :-( |
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| 15:02.22 | blondie | netman1: what does it do? does it require root? |
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| 15:02.47 | netman1 | blondie: just learning, at the moment it just does 'id' |
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| 15:02.55 | blondie | er |
| 15:03.06 | jethro | netman1: use sudo |
| 15:03.19 | blondie | well what's wrong with it? |
| 15:03.31 | streuner | Slyboots: look into that file, so the options are gone? |
| 15:03.46 | netman1 | blondie : it gives as euid my own, in stead of '0' for root. |
| 15:03.46 | Slyboots | Yp |
| 15:03.53 | Slyboots | Its back to its origanl state |
| 15:03.59 | blondie | netman1: when you run it as root? |
| 15:04.16 | netman1 | blondie no, as myself. script is : |
| 15:04.31 | Slyboots | Im just giong to make some pizza.. |
| 15:04.32 | netman1 | blondie '#!/bin/sh \n id" |
| 15:04.38 | Slyboots | I need a break |
| 15:04.39 | blondie | mmm pizza |
| 15:04.42 | streuner | Slyboots: ok |
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| 15:04.57 | Slyboots | No dount its something stupidly simple |
| 15:05.02 | lamby | Slyboots: watch some tv to relax? :) |
| 15:05.13 | streuner | hehe |
| 15:05.26 | Slyboots | Funny :P |
| 15:05.41 | Slyboots | I think the card is scundered to be honest |
| 15:05.43 | JordiGH | Oh, dear. Is it really this complicated? |
| 15:05.45 | JordiGH | http://linux.usc.edu/pipermail/usclug-chat/2005-April/000311.html |
| 15:05.53 | lamby | i'm joking.. hope you get it working :) enjoy your pizzar! |
| 15:05.56 | Slyboots | Its not detecting correctly in my Windows box either |
| 15:06.03 | streuner | !tell Serial about away |
| 15:06.15 | Serial | ok ok sorry |
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| 15:06.24 | Slyboots | But pizza time |
| 15:06.26 | blondie | netman1: well, it knows you're really a user not root |
| 15:06.37 | jethro | netman1: you don't setuid root a shell script, it doesn't work unless you setuid root the shell itself, and you obviously don't want that. |
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| 15:06.41 | stravin | he. sorry to bother, but I always get Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key error msg when trying to start the ssh deamon in debian... still, my rsa key exists and has been generated, the file premission is set to 600 and ... well problem occurs |
| 15:06.41 | blondie | oh yes |
| 15:06.48 | jethro | netman1: so use sudo. |
| 15:06.55 | blondie | you can't setuid a shell script :) |
| 15:07.11 | netman1 | blondie: clear. |
| 15:07.30 | blondie | I wrote a C wrapper to one to "get round" that |
| 15:08.11 | jethro | blondie: sudo is a much better idea imho |
| 15:08.17 | netman1 | blondie: understand the principle. Was missing that. Let me figure out that one myself. ;-) Thanks for the help. |
| 15:08.23 | blondie | jethro: maybe, but I don't like it |
| 15:08.28 | jethro | *shrug* |
| 15:08.48 | netman1 | jethro: yes, but I still got to understand that s-bit thing and know how it works. |
| 15:08.53 | kspath | !tell Serial about away |
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| 15:09.06 | jethro | is it sunday already? |
| 15:09.15 | kspath | Serial: Sorry I just saw you already saw a previous. My mistake. |
| 15:09.20 | JordiGH | What the...? gparted says that converting ext3 to ext2 destroys all data on disk. Why can't it just delete the journal? |
| 15:09.23 | netman1 | jethro: no, this is Rome. |
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| 15:09.35 | lamby | netman1: you can't setuid shell scripts as it's insecure... if you hit a brick wall with sudo, perl will honour the setuid bit. |
| 15:10.27 | netman1 | lamby: That's a good thing to know. Thanks. |
| 15:10.27 | geemark | I just updated a number of packages - among others to KDE 3.5 from 3.4 - now all fonts are tiny - where do I change the system fonts? the KDE control center seems to have no effect on firefox, gaim etc |
| 15:10.27 | Slyboots | mm.. Day old pizza |
| 15:10.27 | Slyboots | Food of the gods |
| 15:10.40 | jethro | lamby: it's not insecure, it's not useless to set the suid bit on a script. it won't work. |
| 15:10.44 | jethro | s/not use/use/ |
| 15:10.53 | JordiGH | No, nutella is food of the gods. Day old pizza is only good enough for the likes of Hercules. |
| 15:11.00 | Slyboots | haha |
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| 15:11.37 | lord_rob | Hi |
| 15:11.55 | lamby | jethro: sorry, yes.. it _would_ be insecure, hence you can't :) |
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| 15:12.43 | lord_rob | I get "/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty:100:Font T1/cmr/m/n/12=ecrm1200 at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found. \fontencoding\encodingdefault\selectfont" while trying to compile a latex document that includes "\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}" Any idea what's wrong here ? |
| 15:13.07 | willwork4foo | OK - can someone please give me a little bit of help here? I'm totally confused by this. I've never seen a Linux OS break itself on every reboot after being fixed each time. I'm trying to get X to work. plain and simple. Each time I reboot, I have to reinstall the NVIDIA driver from the .run file, or X won't work. I am seeing a message on boot that talks about "Removing NVIDIA TLS..." or something but I can't find th |
| 15:13.07 | willwork4foo | at message in dmesg or /var/log. |
| 15:13.08 | jethro | lamby: do you have the slightest idea of what you're talking about? |
| 15:13.23 | willwork4foo | Can anyone tell me what the hell is going on with this ridiculous distro? |
| 15:13.33 | lamby | jethro: yes. what do you disagree with, sorry? |
| 15:13.35 | JordiGH | lord_rob: Did you apt-get tetex-base, tetex-common and anything else that had tetex in its name? |
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| 15:14.07 | JordiGH | lord_rob: Also, is the problem when you're LaTeXXing the file, or when you're previewing the dvi? |
| 15:14.10 | vin` | willwork4foo: didn't you choose to run the nvidia .run file instead of doing it the 'debian way'? |
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| 15:14.27 | lord_rob | JordiGH: when latexxing |
| 15:14.34 | willwork4foo | vin`: no. I didn't "choose" to. "the debian way" didn't work. I tried that for about 2 hours. |
| 15:14.43 | JordiGH | lord_rob: And you have all the necessary tetex packages? |
| 15:14.48 | jethro | lamby: chmod +s on a script is useless. it won't do anything, as the binary that is actually ran is the shell itself. |
| 15:14.51 | willwork4foo | I have a custom kernel. which seems to put a bee in the bonnet of anything that debian does. |
| 15:15.03 | lamby | jethro: that's what i was saying. i don't understand. |
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| 15:15.24 | jethro | lamby: that's not what you were saying.. anyway, I won't bother argueing, and wasting time. |
| 15:16.00 | lord_rob | JordiGH: I think so, but not sure of it |
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| 15:16.18 | mveers | hi |
| 15:16.28 | onweald_tim | Am I calculating this wrong? Time to copy a 250GB drive to another drive on the same PATA ATA100 cable. Theoretical max of 50MB per second. |
| 15:16.29 | onweald_tim | 250*1000=250000MB to transfer (not exact I know) Hours to copy the drive: 250000/50=5000 seconds. 5000 seconds = 1.4 hrs. |
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| 15:16.33 | willwork4foo | vin`: so - any ideas as to why this is going |
| 15:16.47 | lord_rob | JordiGH: anyway I have installed every package that contain the tex tetex in it |
| 15:16.54 | onweald_tim | This has been running for 11 hours... Something must be wrong based on my calculation |
| 15:17.09 | lord_rob | JordiGH: the text tetex I meant |
| 15:18.01 | vin` | willwork4foo: never used nvidia, but I've heard the nvidia one-liner works well. |
| 15:18.29 | blondie | onweald_tim: it certainly shouldn't take that long |
| 15:18.35 | JordiGH | lord_rob: Hmm... does it produce a dvi? Does the dvi look ok? |
| 15:18.49 | lamby | willwork4foo: do you have nvidia-glx package installed? |
| 15:19.06 | Zvpun | what package/process is responsible for /media/* (cdrom, cdrom0, floppy and so on)? |
| 15:19.07 | kspath | I had/have 3 nvidia cards in one box and never needed to get anything from the nvidia site. It just work(ed/s) |
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| 15:19.15 | blondie | onweald_tim: but it will probably be a few hours |
| 15:19.16 | lord_rob | JordiGH: no. latex compilation fails unless I do not usepackage[T1]{fontenc} |
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| 15:19.51 | GoAuLd | i have etch, is it safe enough to move to xorg 7 ? |
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| 15:20.05 | Slyboots | Woohoo! |
| 15:20.06 | azeem | GoAuLd: no, I don't think so |
| 15:20.10 | lamby | Slyboots: awesome! |
| 15:20.14 | Slyboots | it worked! |
| 15:20.27 | kspath | Slyboots: congratulations! |
| 15:20.29 | GoAuLd | ill wait a few more then |
| 15:20.31 | Slyboots | I made the changes under "True" root |
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| 15:20.37 | Slyboots | Instead of just using Sudo |
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| 15:20.58 | Slyboots | Well the changes are there |
| 15:21.05 | Slyboots | I dunno if they will actuly work haha |
| 15:21.36 | Trewas | onweald_tim: are you copying files (using cp or simlar) or actual partitions (using dd)? |
| 15:22.03 | JordiGH | lord_rob: I'm out of ideas. Sorry I didn't have very many to begin with. :-/ |
| 15:22.06 | cahoot | lord_rob: got lmodern installed? |
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| 15:22.17 | geemark | where do I change the default font size for firefox, gaim etc (using KDE 3.5 if that matters) ?? |
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| 15:23.22 | Slyboots | Woohoo, its detecting stations |
| 15:23.23 | smg | can You please take back your lamers? |
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| 15:23.41 | smg | some debian kids are spamming gentoo channel massively with debian adverts |
| 15:23.47 | fas3r | nobody hav patch his freeradius for it use eap/tls ?? |
| 15:23.59 | Ronin | smg: not our fault, just a bunch of lame trolls |
| 15:24.07 | smg | I see |
| 15:24.12 | Ronin | we get gentoo ones here |
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| 15:24.18 | cahoot | smg: you seriously believe they have some sort authorization from here? |
| 15:24.21 | JordiGH | geemark: I think that's an issue with X fonts. Or maybe it is because KDE isn't using the GTK+ interface properly. Do native KDE apps look ok? |
| 15:24.26 | lord_rob | cahoot: no, I'm installing it. Could it be the problem ? |
| 15:24.27 | Ronin | saying how wonderful gentoo is and how much debian sucks heh |
| 15:24.31 | Slyboots | hmm.. they are very dark.. |
| 15:24.42 | fas3r | because i have use patch in http://wapu.org/projects.php?id=freeradius-eaptls but i have 1 error .. i want to know if all have patches have this error .. |
| 15:24.45 | JordiGH | geemark: There's a package that allows KDE to be smart about GTK+ apps. apt-cache search for it. |
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| 15:24.48 | smg | cahoot: I don't know. |
| 15:25.04 | Slyboots | There we go |
| 15:25.05 | Slyboots | Nice :) |
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| 15:25.10 | peoro | hi |
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| 15:25.15 | Ronin | smg: wait till the gnaa decides to troll your channels, yeesh those boys need a life |
| 15:25.17 | cklaus | geemark, tried gtk-theme-switch and related ones ? |
| 15:25.22 | Slyboots | Uh.. or not |
| 15:25.22 | cahoot | lord_rob: not sure - but those are the modern fonts for tex |
| 15:25.23 | Slyboots | lol.. |
| 15:25.26 | kspath | smg: they will not listen to us. trolls tend to be morons/jerks that ignore people. |
| 15:25.26 | Slyboots | I've got a signal |
| 15:25.30 | wangpenghui | hello, is there any bookmark management software except the default ones which come from the browser. |
| 15:25.31 | Slyboots | But now I cant change station |
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| 15:25.57 | lord_rob | cahoot: still the same problem : Metric (TFM) file not found. \fontencoding\encodingdefault\selectfont |
| 15:25.59 | lzhang | how do I do syn on in vim by default |
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| 15:26.11 | peoro | I'd like to install vmware... It needs some kernel module (vmmon modules)... Can I find these modules on some repository? |
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| 15:26.17 | cahoot | lord_rob: \usepackage lmodern |
| 15:26.31 | SmileyG | hey guys, just to let you know, #gentoo just got spammed too with "#debian". The bots are trying to start a war, best to just ignore them, peace out :] |
| 15:26.59 | smg | okay :P |
| 15:27.10 | SmileyG | hhr |
| 15:27.11 | SmileyG | hehe |
| 15:27.14 | JordiGH | We get signal! Main screen turn on! |
| 15:27.18 | smg | I did not know |
| 15:27.27 | JordiGH | How are you gentlemen. |
| 15:27.28 | tuatso | hi. if i have two different linux distributions on my harddisk, is it possible to use the partitions /tmp and /swap with those two distributions or do both need an own one? |
| 15:27.37 | lamby | someone set us up the gentoo! |
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| 15:27.45 | SmileyG | ;) |
| 15:27.51 | kspath | smg: Are the trolls gone from #gentoo. I have been watching a couple of minutes so far. |
| 15:27.56 | JordiGH | tuatso: They can share both, s'long as each is in its own partition. |
| 15:28.00 | smg | kspath: yeah I think so :) |
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| 15:28.09 | Ronin | lamby: rather gentoo then what im doing now, installing xp on machines *sigh* things we do for money |
| 15:28.14 | r_marvin | oh, so everyone that asks about gentoo here is an evil spambot that must be banned on sight |
| 15:28.18 | r_marvin | i knew it! |
| 15:28.37 | SmileyG | r_marvin, hehe maybe.... or maybe just hte ones spamming : #gentoo |
| 15:29.11 | lamby | Ronin: XP installer has an IRC client? *impressed* :) |
| 15:29.15 | smg | SmileyG: while true; do emerge -uDN world; done ? :P |
| 15:29.24 | smg | okay gotta go bye bye |
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| 15:29.28 | SmileyG | init :D |
| 15:29.38 | lord_rob | cahoot: I shouldn't need that package anyway (it compiles without any glitch on my other box) |
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| 15:30.20 | Daffy | lo there |
| 15:30.40 | Daffy | is there a dedicated channel for wifi questions? i find nothing in the chan list |
| 15:31.04 | SmileyG | Daffy, maybe ##networking |
| 15:31.31 | Daffy | thanks |
| 15:31.58 | JordiGH | Hmm... |
| 15:32.17 | vinzbn | r_marvin > hum, I've read all the Rusty Russell's howto, and I've learnt nothing more, but I've found that I was missing a rule saying something like "OUTPUT ACCEPT" |
| 15:32.19 | tuatso | thx JordiGH |
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| 15:33.08 | r_marvin | vinzbn: if you still look at rules like magic words, you have to read some more about netfilter |
| 15:33.49 | r_marvin | when you'll say that you need to set the default policy to ACCEPT on the OUTPUT chain, that would make a difference |
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| 15:33.59 | JordiGH | Ok, this is what I'm doing right now: I'm /dev/hda3 into some freespace that was after /dev/hda1 (luckily, it fits). Then I'm going to delete /dev/hda2 and grow its copy, now called /dev/hda4 into the freespace. My question is, will it still be called /dev/hda4 after I reboot back into Debian? I'm on Knoppix right now. I ask, because I don't want grub to get confused about what to load. |
| 15:34.23 | JordiGH | Excuse my blanko/typo :"I've copied /dev/hda3 into some freespace...." |
| 15:34.34 | cahoot | lord_rob: tried as root? |
| 15:34.49 | lord_rob | cahoot: no |
| 15:35.13 | Slyboots | this is weird, I managed to get the card working with xawtv.. |
| 15:35.15 | Slyboots | but not in Myth |
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| 15:35.29 | Slyboots | (It only shows 1 station, whatever I was last watching in Xawtv) |
| 15:35.43 | lord_rob | cahoot: it works |
| 15:36.18 | cahoot | lord_rob: the font dirs not writable for user |
| 15:36.35 | streuner | Slyboots: scantv |
| 15:36.44 | streuner | Slyboots: or just try tvtime |
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| 15:36.50 | streuner | !info tvtime |
| 15:36.52 | JordiGH | cahoot: But those fonts should be pregenerated during install. I wonder why they weren't. |
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| 15:36.57 | Slyboots | I've tvtime installed.. |
| 15:36.58 | dpkg | tvtime: (A high quality television application), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 643 kB, Installed size: 1760 kB |
| 15:37.17 | lord_rob | cahoot: right I remember having been asked something about users perms after un upgrade recently, but don't remember what exactly |
| 15:37.25 | JordiGH | Ooh... dpkg can look in the pkg database? |
| 15:37.28 | JordiGH | !info wesnoth |
| 15:37.35 | dpkg | wesnoth: (fantasy turn-based strategy game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1763 kB, Installed size: 3908 kB |
| 15:37.51 | cahoot | lord_rob: I suppose dpkg-reconfigure is the answer |
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| 15:38.09 | Slyboots | Okay, TV Time detects a signal |
| 15:38.12 | Slyboots | and can change the channel |
| 15:38.26 | lamby | Slyboots: cool :) what's on? snooker? |
| 15:38.32 | Slyboots | .. Yea actuly lol |
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| 15:38.41 | Slyboots | I only get 3 stations, but I can fix that later |
| 15:39.00 | pabs3 | anyone know if is possible for the openssh client to autodisconnect after X hours of the user being idle? |
| 15:39.03 | Slyboots | and I belive that is.. Rising Damp on BBC.. 2 |
| 15:39.20 | cahoot | lord_rob: or simply texconfig font rw as root |
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| 15:40.15 | Zvpun | what package/process is responsible for /media/* (cdrom, cdrom0, floppy and so on)? |
| 15:40.20 | lord_rob | cahoot: problem solved thanks |
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| 15:41.14 | samourai01 | how to load modules automatically without typing commands |
| 15:41.18 | samourai01 | plz help |
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| 15:41.52 | samourai01 | i tried /etc/modules in my debian and it doesnt work |
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| 15:42.07 | holdenSK | samourai01: /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 15:42.23 | azeem | samourai01: /etc/modules is the right spot to load modules on bootup |
| 15:42.30 | azeem | samourai01: what did you add to it? |
| 15:42.42 | samourai01 | i added command |
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| 15:42.55 | azeem | you added `command' ? |
| 15:43.04 | junix|work | when installing 2.6.16 on unstable is there a way to keep hotplug for a 2.4 kernel ?? |
| 15:43.04 | chino | my x didn't configure correctly during base config what type of configuration should i run to reset my x server settings ? |
| 15:43.05 | JordiGH | Wow. dd is taking a lot longer than the 8 minutes that gparted predicted to copy 4 gigs. |
| 15:43.19 | samourai01 | for asterisk to load automatically imodules |
| 15:43.21 | samourai01 | yes |
| 15:43.23 | samourai01 | command |
| 15:43.27 | azeem | samourai01: what exactly did you add? |
| 15:43.33 | JordiGH | chino dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 under the stable distro or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg under testing and unstable. |
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| 15:43.44 | JordiGH | chino: As root, of course. :) |
| 15:43.47 | samourai01 | a command to load asterisk automatically |
| 15:43.58 | azeem | samourai01: please paste the exact line |
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| 15:44.04 | blondie | q/win 51 |
| 15:44.06 | samourai01 | ztcfg |
| 15:44.10 | azeem | samourai01: anyway, you should only add the *name* of the module, not any commands |
| 15:44.26 | chino | i thought that vesa would work with most monitors ? |
| 15:44.42 | samourai01 | so when u want to add a command |
| 15:44.43 | cahoot | is asterisk a module anyway? |
| 15:44.46 | JordiGH | chino: There may be other problems. Your monitor refresh rates might be wrong. |
| 15:44.51 | samourai01 | no |
| 15:45.09 | azeem | samourai01: eh, then you're off |
| 15:45.11 | samourai01 | what should u do |
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| 15:45.16 | JordiGH | chino: And vesa may work, but it'll most likely be ugly. Try using the driver specific to your card |
| 15:45.41 | azeem | samourai01: put a startup script into /etc/init.d and link it from /etc/rc2.d or whatever other runlevels you want to have it started from |
| 15:45.54 | kspath | !tell samourai01 about u |
| 15:45.55 | azeem | samourai01: maybe that exists already? |
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| 15:46.06 | samourai01 | ok i'll try it |
| 15:46.10 | kspath | samourai01: Please use you rather than the letter u. Please. |
| 15:46.13 | azeem | samourai01: how did you install asterisk, from the Debian repository? |
| 15:46.14 | samourai01 | thx azees |
| 15:46.49 | JordiGH | kspath: U gotta chill out, bro or sis. |
| 15:46.54 | azeem | etc/init.d/asterisk comm/asterisk |
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| 15:47.04 | azeem | samourai01: it seems this is already setup |
| 15:47.24 | kspath | JordiGH: You must relax about what? |
| 15:48.20 | JordiGH | kspath: Bout language. Wtf is the big deal with a few internet abbreviations? |
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| 15:48.39 | cahoot | JordiGH: like wtf ;) |
| 15:48.41 | chino | how come its not asking me to get the settings form the monitor directly ? |
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| 15:48.46 | JordiGH | cahoot: Indeed. |
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| 15:49.20 | kspath | JordiGH: I asked politely for something to use English. I did not jump on someone and insult them. Does it make you tense? |
| 15:49.56 | kspath | s/something/someone/ |
| 15:50.01 | chino | the inet 82845G should be the i810 driver right ? |
| 15:50.19 | chino | intel |
| 15:50.35 | JordiGH | kspath: Just live with it. S'long as your error-detection codes are overcoming the signal-to-noise ratio, you should just smile. Nobody like a grammar nazi. |
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| 15:50.46 | JordiGH | s/like/likes |
| 15:51.03 | stew | unterminated s expression :P |
| 15:51.13 | holdenSK | :) |
| 15:51.13 | samourai01 | its not asterisk wich i want to boot automatically the drivers of cards zaptel need to be loaded at each boot |
| 15:51.30 | stew | samourai01: list them in /etc/modules |
| 15:51.44 | chino | i cant get this stupid x server to run |
| 15:51.44 | samourai01 | i did it |
| 15:51.53 | samourai01 | and didn't work stew |
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| 15:52.00 | kspath | JordiGH: I do not correct anyones grammar generally. I have enough trouble with my own speeling. I prefer to read English words in an English channel. If it bothers you you can ignore it. |
| 15:52.15 | mok | hello! i have a problem with sysv-rc-bootsplash_1.0.0-5_i386.deb (apt-get says: 5 out of 5 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file /etc/init.d/rcS.rej) anyone knows how to fix that? |
| 15:52.15 | JordiGH | kspath: And I will. And you can ignore me to. |
| 15:52.17 | JordiGH | too |
| 15:52.20 | azeem | samourai01: please paste the content of /etc/modules to a pastebin |
| 15:52.21 | azeem | !paster |
| 15:52.21 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 15:52.35 | stew | samourai01: but they work fine when you modprobe them after boot? |
| 15:52.35 | cahoot | samourai01: if zaptel is the name of the module - put that in /etc/modules |
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| 15:53.31 | chino | i just used vesa and the used simple monitor setup and set it up for the minimal 15 inch smallest resolution adn this x server still sin't displaying anything at all! |
| 15:53.38 | JordiGH | Ooh, kopete can do IRC? I didn't know that. |
| 15:53.47 | samourai01 | stew: yes it's work when i use modprobe |
| 15:54.12 | JordiGH | chino: Look at /var/log/X-something-something.log |
| 15:54.17 | zumbi | JordiGH: do you know about bitlebee |
| 15:54.33 | samourai01 | cahoot: yes it already in the /etc/modules |
| 15:54.46 | JordiGH | chino: The relevant error message should be near the end. If the monitor refresh rates are wrong, we'll know there. |
| 15:54.55 | chino | no its all fine |
| 15:54.57 | samourai01 | azees what's pastebin |
| 15:54.58 | chino | i dont understand |
| 15:55.11 | stew | !paster |
| 15:55.12 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 15:55.28 | JordiGH | chino: When you startx, what happens? Do you get a blank screen and then it terminates with an error message? Does it freeze? |
| 15:55.35 | samourai01 | ah ok |
| 15:55.44 | samourai01 | i'll try it |
| 15:55.59 | chino | it doens't terminate at all it just goes black and sits there when i change bakc to the console i have to ctrl+c to stop the x server |
| 15:56.19 | kspath | JordiGH: I was amazed by the number of clients that could do IRC as well. gaim, centericq, pork, and naim were some I found out about a while back. Not sure if any of others would interest you or anyone else though. |
| 15:56.26 | stew | !paster =~ s/away./away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url./ |
| 15:56.26 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 15:56.54 | JordiGH | kspath: Thanks. I'll consider it. |
| 15:56.55 | stew | bitlbee does IM much better than any of the IM clients do IRC |
| 15:57.01 | chino | does this mean anything ? "Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list" |
| 15:57.12 | JordiGH | chino: No, that's usually harmless. |
| 15:57.20 | chino | yea like wtf is going on here |
| 15:57.21 | stew | chino: it means you aren't running xfs. what version of x are you running? |
| 15:57.33 | chino | idk i just did a normal netinstall |
| 15:57.59 | kspath | stew: Do you know the name of the one that writes to files and you have to tail or less or other to read/monitor it? |
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| 15:58.04 | chino | 4.3.0.1 |
| 15:58.31 | kspath | stew: refering to IM/IRC/chat client(s). |
| 15:58.37 | chino | stew: ^^ |
| 15:58.40 | stew | kspath: no, never heard of that |
| 15:58.48 | JordiGH | chino: type "less /var/log/XFree86.0.log" |
| 15:58.58 | chino | i allready did that JordiGH |
| 15:59.00 | JordiGH | chino: And look near the end for any clues as to what could be wrong. |
| 15:59.02 | kspath | stew: I think it was associated with plan9 but my memory is rather weak. |
| 15:59.07 | stew | chino: anyway, it's nothing to worry about. |
| 15:59.09 | JordiGH | And what does it say? There are no errors? No warnings? |
| 15:59.16 | stew | kspath: snakes on a plan9 |
| 15:59.17 | chino | JordiGH: there is no clues jordi it doesn't crash it just doens't show anything but a black screen |
| 15:59.42 | JordiGH | But what does the log say! There are no warnings? No errors at all? Nothing marked with !! or EE? |
| 15:59.55 | cahoot | chino: do you have any fontpaths at all listed in you x conf file? |
| 15:59.57 | chino | no! ill check again |
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| 16:00.08 | chino | cahoot: i have no idea |
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| 16:00.38 | JordiGH | chino: Ok. Is your monitor smart enough to tell you what the refresh rates should be? That is, is there a menu on your monitor that you can poke around and it'll report the vsync and hsync refresh rates? |
| 16:00.57 | chino | yes |
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| 16:01.31 | nse | smartctl tests on my hda2 do not find errors. a regular entry in /etc/fsatb do not mounts this disk in /home properly (a cd into /home gives input/output errors), dmesg complais about "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00008024", i did 2efsck. is this sounding like a disk dying problem? |
| 16:01.32 | JordiGH | Good. In a console, where you know that the refresh rates are ok, do that. And write down whatever you find. |
| 16:01.47 | junix|work | how do i turn off apic using grub??? |
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| 16:02.11 | zumbi | junix|work: noapic? |
| 16:02.12 | chino | JordiGH: what ? |
| 16:02.37 | junix|work | zumbi: you sure? |
| 16:02.37 | mejo | how do i update gettext translations of a software project after changing the source file? all that needs to be done is updating the line numbers, but that's a lot of work if done manually. |
| 16:02.45 | chino | what does "Option 'DPMS'" mean ? |
| 16:02.56 | ShadowJK | power saving |
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| 16:03.03 | stew | !dpms |
| 16:03.03 | dpkg | i heard dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 16:03.05 | zumbi | junix|work: not 100%.. something similar, can't remember 100 % sure |
| 16:03.08 | JordiGH | chino: Use your monitor's menu to figure out what the proper refresh rates are. |
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| 16:03.27 | chino | JordiGH: during install i used the auto conf features |
| 16:03.34 | chino | to detect the monitor values |
| 16:03.37 | chino | they look ok |
| 16:03.43 | JordiGH | chino: Yes, autoconf got it wrong. You'll have to input it manually. |
| 16:04.00 | chino | but the menu only gives me 2 numbers no ranges |
| 16:04.20 | ootput | hi guys, did any recent sid updates mess with udev rules? |
| 16:04.25 | JordiGH | That's ok. Just make up some small ranges that capture those values. |
| 16:04.34 | ootput | i'm getting a whole heap of invalid BUS errors now |
| 16:04.51 | zumbi | junix|work: ok, now i'm 100% sure -> noapic |
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| 16:05.29 | chino | dude wtf i just want a simple desktop this is a server machine i want to be able to plug in any monitor for god sakes |
| 16:05.49 | ootput | custom, no? |
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| 16:06.07 | JordiGH | chino: Just tell me if it works. |
| 16:06.18 | chino | no it didn't |
| 16:06.31 | junix|work | zumbi: thx! |
| 16:06.40 | zumbi | !thx |
| 16:06.40 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 16:06.41 | chino | it said no usable screens found |
| 16:06.46 | chino | i setup my own x server in slackware all the time with xorgconfig and it works easily |
| 16:06.47 | kspath | chino: Are you sure you want X on a server? |
| 16:07.10 | chino | why not ? |
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| 16:07.22 | JordiGH | Consumes resources. |
| 16:07.26 | kspath | chino: Waste of resources. |
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| 16:07.28 | chino | yea if you leave it running 24/7 |
| 16:07.37 | kspath | chino: It was often considered a security risk as well. |
| 16:07.52 | cahoot | chino: complicates setup ;) |
| 16:07.56 | hs | Hello, what would be a good line for sources.list to get security updates from security.debian.org ? ("testing") |
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| 16:08.09 | stew | hs: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 16:08.15 | jethro | !topicsmite hs |
| 16:08.15 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon hs. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 16:08.58 | chino | well wtf i often think about not using slackware as my favorite linux i have debian in another server and its cool but jesus you guys made your own x server and the configuration seems easy but doens't work and why cant i have a simple setup that works with basically any 15, 17 inch monitor |
| 16:09.02 | Gold^^ | SOmebody know how do to my /dev/ht0 tape device consider my backup like 1 block ? |
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| 16:09.20 | hs | stew/jethro: thanks |
| 16:09.21 | Gold^^ | 1 block = 1 backup |
| 16:09.45 | junix|work | zumbi: should my grub line look like this: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro noapic |
| 16:09.51 | kspath | chino: Not all monitors are created equal. standards? quality? abilities? specifications? |
| 16:09.52 | stew | chino: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; choose vesa ; choose the simple setup and select a monitor that can do 800x600 @ 60 hz. it will work with any vga monitor. and no, we don't have our own x server |
| 16:09.52 | JordiGH | chino: Before it says no usable screens found, what's the previous complaint? It must have tried a bunch of configurations before it decided to give up. On each configuration it tried and failed, it must have given a reason. What did it say? Not enough memory? refresh rates out of range? |
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| 16:10.02 | zumbi | junix|work: sure |
| 16:10.09 | chino | fine how do i remote hte desktop packages then ? |
| 16:10.10 | junix|work | zumbi: ok.... |
| 16:10.12 | chino | stew: thats what i did!!!! |
| 16:10.33 | stew | chino: post your /var/log/Xfree86.0.log to a patebin |
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| 16:10.40 | zumbi | but junix|work you'll probably have more lines, right ? |
| 16:10.44 | junix|work | yes |
| 16:10.53 | stew | chino: or, grab your working x config from slackware or whatever |
| 16:10.54 | chino | how am i supposed to paste a file into pastebin through console |
| 16:10.58 | kspath | !tell chino about paste |
| 16:11.05 | zumbi | junix|work: then it is ok |
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| 16:11.07 | junix|work | ok |
| 16:11.08 | junix|work | brb |
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| 16:11.26 | chino | but you guys have your own version of x it looks like from what i read during installation and also slackware uses the new xorg you guys appear to still be using xfree86 |
| 16:11.28 | stew | chino: w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open vi where you can insert the file and save, then hit enter on the submit button |
| 16:11.42 | stew | chino: correct, but you config should work fine |
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| 16:11.46 | kspath | chino: I know it is/would be a pain but you can type it out if you want. |
| 16:11.51 | Ronin | chino: depends on which release of debian you are on |
| 16:12.04 | chino | im on stable |
| 16:12.19 | FallenHitokiri | i used this tutorial http://blog.odonnell.nu/32.html to get up a subversion server. but my if i try to import a project i get this: svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/public/vsadm' \n svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem what did i do wrong? |
| 16:12.23 | chino | give me a second |
| 16:12.27 | Ronin | then its xfree, testing, i think, and sid for sure are on xorg |
| 16:12.42 | stew | !paste without x is apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m |
| 16:12.42 | dpkg | without x is apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 16:12.47 | stew | ugh |
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| 16:14.47 | chino | how come dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is not writing a new /etc/X11/XFree86-4 file ? |
| 16:14.49 | stew | i created !pastewithoutx instead |
| 16:14.54 | stew | chino: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 16:14.56 | JordiGH | chino: Because you editted it manually. |
| 16:15.03 | chino | what if i delete it ? |
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| 16:15.08 | JordiGH | Sure. |
| 16:15.09 | chino | i want a fresh one |
| 16:15.14 | chino | i just did and it didn't show up again |
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| 16:16.39 | chino | why am i not geting a new file / |
| 16:16.40 | ootput | are there any livecds available that, upon booting, scan for all harddrives, and performs diskchecks + repairs on all? |
| 16:16.48 | stew | chino: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 16:16.59 | ootput | an automated option |
| 16:17.04 | stew | chino: touch the file, then follow the xmd5 stuff |
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| 16:18.42 | chino | i just did that it said |
| 16:18.49 | chino | i touched teh file and copied the md5 value |
| 16:18.54 | chino | but yet hte file is empty |
| 16:19.11 | stew | chino: after you fix the md5, run dpkg-reconfigure again |
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| 16:19.16 | bobwhoops | I've been given someone's machine, and I need to get sound to work on it. He said it worked before, but not anymore. I think it's because of a bad kernel upgrade, but I'm not sure. Anyway, it has alsamixer, alsaconf, etc... on it. But when I run alsaconf, it says there is no module snd. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 16:19.22 | chino | stew: yes i did that... |
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| 16:20.02 | chino | they both have the same number |
| 16:20.30 | cahoot | bobwhoops: install a real kernel? |
| 16:20.54 | teclo- | Hi there. It appears there is a problem with lists.debian.org: the "archives" are no longer updated. Look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/04/thrd8.html |
| 16:20.57 | cahoot | bobwhoops: err install a debian kernel |
| 16:21.00 | chino | this is really stupid |
| 16:21.06 | teclo- | It says: |
| 16:21.09 | teclo- | The last update was on 22:20 GMT Thu Apr 27. There are 3992 messages. Page 8 of 8. |
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| 16:21.19 | stew | chino: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is completely emtpe? what does md5sum /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum output? |
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| 16:21.31 | teclo- | And there is the very same problem with debian-user-french and debian-68k |
| 16:21.33 | bobwhoops | cahoot: I'm not familar with Debian. Can I do this with apt? |
| 16:21.43 | teclo- | Looks like lists.debian.org is kinda acting fu nny :) |
| 16:21.51 | das_coach | hi@all |
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| 16:22.10 | chino | '10980291840912834091238 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum' |
| 16:22.11 | das_coach | i've got a prob with debian 3.1 r1 |
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| 16:22.14 | chino | i made up those numbers |
| 16:22.17 | chino | but it looks like htat |
| 16:22.19 | cahoot | bobwhoops: do you know what kernel you have atm? uname -r |
| 16:22.30 | stew | chino: that's not the md5 of an empty file. what does it really say? |
| 16:22.37 | bobwhoops | cahoot: 2.16.15.6 |
| 16:22.49 | bobwhoops | cahoot: err... 2.6 |
| 16:22.51 | chino | d5dba4ee1e252b524b5a1173857a35d9 |
| 16:22.55 | das_coach | i installed it, made apt-get install kde-core and ran xf86config, but startx doesnt work |
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| 16:23.13 | chino | wtf |
| 16:23.14 | chino | now they are off |
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| 16:23.17 | stew | chino: yeah, thats not the right md5 ; /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 16:23.39 | cahoot | bobwhoops: so apt-cache search kernel-image and then pick one to apt-get install |
| 16:23.44 | chino | wait they arn't off |
| 16:24.01 | stew | chino: d5dba4ee1e252b524b5a1173857a35d9 is not hte ms5 of an empty file |
| 16:24.02 | bobwhoops | cahoot: ok, thanks |
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| 16:24.28 | das_coach | is that normal? do i have to install something else for kde? |
| 16:24.45 | stew | das_coach: install x-window-system-core |
| 16:25.00 | das_coach | with normal sources? |
| 16:25.04 | stew | das_coach: yes |
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| 16:25.13 | das_coach | k, thx, i will try..cya |
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| 16:25.50 | chino | stew: then what is ? |
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| 16:25.59 | stew | chino: md5sum < /dev/null |
| 16:26.17 | chino | yes they are the same |
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| 16:26.27 | chino | and the command to check the diff says they are both the same |
| 16:26.37 | stew | chino: then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:26.44 | urano2k6 | #velug |
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| 16:29.01 | kspath | spam? |
| 16:29.31 | chino | ok im in elinks and im at the form to paste my error log how do i add a file ? |
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| 16:30.34 | chino | stew: ? |
| 16:30.48 | stew | chino: i dont' know a way to do that with elinks |
| 16:31.07 | chino | dam sorry i w3m |
| 16:31.07 | vin` | chino: try installing gpm |
| 16:31.21 | stew | chino: in w3m, just hit enter on the paste box |
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| 16:32.10 | fcn | i'm having trouble with lastfm player on debian unstable. i installed it using apt-get. i ran it but ipreferences window's background is black so i cant read the text on it. i don't have kde installed. when i was using apt to install lastfm package, it installed some qt packages with it. help please |
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| 16:33.35 | AcuraX | whats this mean? |
| 16:33.35 | AcuraX | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:33.36 | AcuraX | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.36 | AcuraX | E0x: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:33.36 | piko | Hi, I have suddenly problem to start java on AMD64 with debian unstable. java --ver returns Could not create Java virtual machine. Can anybody help me? |
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| 16:33.57 | chino | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2448 |
| 16:34.24 | AcuraX | Sorry about that.. |
| 16:34.27 | AcuraX | But what does it mean? |
| 16:34.37 | zumbi | piko: /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 16:34.50 | chino | stew: ^ |
| 16:35.21 | zumbi | AcuraX: apt-get -f install |
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| 16:35.57 | AcuraX | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 16:35.58 | zumbi | AcuraX: BTW, we couldn't see all your output, should use a paste site |
| 16:36.14 | AcuraX | How do i unlock that? |
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| 16:36.29 | stew | chino: ok, its using 800x600@60hz which any monitor should be able to handle. and you get a completely black screen? can you hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get back to a console? is your monitor in power saving mode? |
| 16:36.40 | zumbi | AcuraX: do you have some debconf || apt running |
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| 16:36.47 | piko | zumbi: what do you mean? To install java-package? |
| 16:37.08 | chino | stew: yes i can get back to console and i have to ctrl+c to kill the x but yet its just a black screen |
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| 16:37.14 | piko | I have it already and I used it to convert sun 1.5 JRE |
| 16:37.24 | AcuraX | fixed |
| 16:37.25 | AcuraX | :D |
| 16:37.43 | zumbi | piko: i mean those are the instructions to install java, but i dunno on amd64 how that works, my 5c |
| 16:37.51 | AcuraX | thanks |
| 16:37.51 | AcuraX | :D |
| 16:38.50 | piko | zumbi: It works ok, but after the creation of deb it doesn't run |
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| 16:39.31 | stew | chino: is the monitor in powersaving mode? do you have controls on your monitor that will report the current resolution and frequency? what happens if you log into another console and run: "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" ? does the xterm show up when you hit ctrl-alt-f7? |
| 16:41.16 | bobwhoops | I added an entry to grub. Do I have to run something like I do with lilo? |
| 16:41.31 | chino | server refused the conneciton hence its not running i have to leave to school bbl |
| 16:41.57 | mejo | how do i best manage more than one pbuilder base.tgz. do bpuilder build and pdebuild accept --basetgz? |
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| 16:42.13 | stew | chino: but it must be running since you say it doesn't quit until you hit ctrl-c? |
| 16:42.25 | mejo | the manpage mentions only pbuilder create and update at the description for --basetgz. |
| 16:42.28 | chino | yes i have no idea man |
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| 16:42.32 | chino | debian is psyco |
| 16:42.36 | chino | bbl |
| 16:44.06 | piko | So does anyone else any idea about java? |
| 16:44.31 | stew | mejo: the last part of OPTIONS in pdebbuild says that the options after -- are pbuilder options, and pbuilder takes a --basetgz |
| 16:45.49 | piko | It seems that java is installed, but it returns Could not start virtual machine |
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| 16:46.23 | mejo | stew: why does the manpage explicitely name create and update, and not build in the description for --basetgz then? |
| 16:46.29 | mejo | This option will define the default distribution and apt-lines when used in pbuilder update and pbuilder create |
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| 16:48.30 | stew | mejo: i dont' know |
| 16:48.55 | stew | piko: which java does "update-alternatives --display java" say that the alternative is currently pointing to? |
| 16:50.15 | stew | mejo: you might ask -devel or -mentors. |
| 16:50.29 | piko | stew: see flood for output |
| 16:51.05 | bobwhoops | I just added a new kernel with apt-get. Now I want to add it to grub. Do I add vmlinuz-2.6.16-1-686 or initrd.img-2.6.16-1-686? |
| 16:51.12 | oboy | how do i create /dev/sequencer? just with touch? |
| 16:51.15 | stew | piko: oh. i'm sorry i missed this before, you shouldn't be running java --ver, but java -version |
| 16:51.25 | stew | oboy: are you using alsa? |
| 16:51.27 | mejo | stew: seems to work. |
| 16:51.28 | oboy | yes |
| 16:51.30 | mejo | stew: thanks |
| 16:51.35 | stew | oboy: modprobe snd-seq-oss |
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| 16:51.47 | stew | mejo: maybe file a wishlist bug to make the docs clearer? |
| 16:51.59 | Spec | on a stable debian system, would the best way to install mysql5 be via source? |
| 16:52.00 | oboy | thanks |
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| 16:52.13 | stew | oboy: put that in /etc/modules if you want that available at every boot |
| 16:52.23 | stew | Spec: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:52.23 | oboy | ok |
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| 16:54.59 | piko | stew: Ah, thanks, now it runs |
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| 16:58.06 | nn- | can you recommend any program that shows a list of filehandles that are currently open for reading / writing which is updated in realtime? |
| 16:58.09 | nn- | I am looking for something like a cross between lsof and top |
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| 16:59.01 | dondelelcaro | nn-: watch lsof |
| 16:59.12 | dondelelcaro | nn-: presumably for the specific filehandles that you're interested in |
| 16:59.33 | dondelelcaro | (watching a few thousand filehandles gets old fast) |
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| 17:01.41 | nn- | sth. that highlights filehandles when they are being used would be cool |
| 17:01.59 | nn- | just like top can highlight processes that are currently running |
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| 17:03.20 | stew | nn-: in case you didn't understand dondelelcaro's suggestion, "watch" is a command that will execute lsof every 2 seconds and display the results, giving you top like funtionality, man watch |
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| 17:03.29 | dondelelcaro | nn-: if a filehandle is open, it's being used... whether data is being moved across the filehandle is a bit more difficult to tell, and not really something that lsof tracks. |
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| 17:03.44 | nn- | that's my point |
| 17:03.58 | nn- | i want to see when data is being read/written |
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| 17:04.30 | tarzeau | yay, new kernels for tarzeau: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/debian/kernel/ |
| 17:04.48 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: :-D |
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| 17:05.12 | piko | I have then another problem with openoffice if I try to run it, I run ooimpress or anything, I get |
| 17:05.13 | stew | tarzeau: kernel's that make you laugh out loud? |
| 17:05.17 | piko | _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6000: Name or service not known |
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| 17:05.35 | piko | Does anyone have idea where is the problem? |
| 17:05.36 | cj | I'm installing an fc5 guest on my xen machine, which is running debian sarge. anyone ever run yum successfully from a sarge machine? |
| 17:05.44 | tarzeau | stew: i always call them ROFL, LOL and STFU |
| 17:05.50 | tarzeau | stew: they run much better :) |
| 17:05.56 | stew | tarzeau: l33t |
| 17:06.14 | stew | piko: does "getent hosts localhost" return a 127.0.0.1...? |
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| 17:06.23 | tarzeau | stew: pity i couldn't build them on sid (since the depmod or some other thing was too new) |
| 17:06.30 | tarzeau | stew: it's hilarious |
| 17:06.38 | piko | stew: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 17:07.35 | alexk_ | Will I run into any problems upgrading to Sarge over SSH (with screen)? |
| 17:07.36 | stew | piko: you probably are running x with -notcp or whatever it is, which is normal, and recommended, i don't know why oo wants to connect via tcp instead of using a socket.. you might ask #debian-oo |
| 17:08.11 | piko | stew: Ok, it seems tome, that this happenned after Xorg 7 |
| 17:08.14 | mlowe | stew, you should not, BUT ;) |
| 17:08.39 | jade | what is a good blog server can i install from apt? |
| 17:09.10 | stew | alexk_: you shouldn't |
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| 17:10.06 | stew | jade: pybloxsom and wordpress seem to be popular, but i don't really know |
| 17:10.15 | Angels2 | which tool is more uptodate? whois or dig? |
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| 17:10.35 | Angels2 | jade: wordpress ist the best. but dont install it via apt-get |
| 17:10.41 | alexk_ | stew: thanks |
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| 17:11.03 | npx | using grep, how would I find lines that don't begin with 0*? |
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| 17:11.15 | npx | I tried grep -v but it doesn't seem to work |
| 17:11.27 | stew | alexk_: whois and dig do different things afaik, and they should both be up to date |
| 17:11.31 | mhall | I need an intuitive screen editor (meaning not emacs or vi) that handles unicode properly. Any suggestions? |
| 17:11.43 | stew | nn-: grep -v ^0\\* |
| 17:11.49 | stew | err |
| 17:11.55 | tarzeau | yuck , i can't run 2.4 kernels with sid anymore? |
| 17:11.56 | tarzeau | Version requires old depmod, but couldn't run depmod.modutils: No such file or directory |
| 17:12.02 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.06 | npx | stew, ahhh thanks man! |
| 17:12.09 | tarzeau | is it critical if i can't run depmod? do i really need depmod? |
| 17:12.14 | Angels2 | stew: thanks |
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| 17:12.29 | stockholm | what is a good place to ask bluetooth questions? |
| 17:12.40 | tarzeau | stockholm: here if you got debian? |
| 17:12.58 | stew | tarzeau: uhh, i think stockholm might be using debian :) |
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| 17:13.29 | piko | Please is there anyone running debian on AMD64 with Openoffice in chroot that is able to run it? |
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| 17:13.42 | stew | piko: in a 32 bit chroot? or 64 bit? |
| 17:13.44 | mhall | piko: couple things |
| 17:13.46 | Coke | Hello. It seems I require glibc 2.1 to play a game (rtcw), is it available and can it coexist with 2.3 in sid? |
| 17:13.53 | piko | in a 32 chroot |
| 17:14.01 | roler | how do I change my locale? |
| 17:14.05 | piko | mhall: pardon? |
| 17:14.10 | stew | roler: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:14.16 | stew | stockholm: try us |
| 17:14.21 | nn- | roler: using export |
| 17:14.22 | mhall | piko: http://openoffice.debian.net/ |
| 17:14.37 | stockholm | stew: cool (c: |
| 17:14.40 | alexk_ | another question is that I am using about 10 packages from backports but would like to switch to the official sarge versions... would it best be to just uninstall these before the upgrade, uncomment the backports line, and reinstall them after the upgrade is complete? |
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| 17:14.46 | mhall | piko: and, i wanted to explain that they have got it running natively now but nobody is quite sure about stability |
| 17:14.51 | npx | this grep -v thing is wierd as hell |
| 17:14.56 | stockholm | stew: i try to hook up my siemens S65 phone to my notebook and dont find an introductory guide, like "normally you use device X and method Y too hook up nokias, and Z for siemens". |
| 17:15.04 | mhall | alexk_: so long as you don't purge your conf files are preserved |
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| 17:15.20 | mhall | piko: other thing, you can edit the new format opendocument with koffice natively |
| 17:15.28 | mhall | piko: though it's not quite as featureful |
| 17:15.33 | piko | mhall: Ah, so it is currently in some branch? |
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| 17:16.01 | piko | mhall: Well my problem is more in the ooimpress as I sometimes need to create presentation |
| 17:16.12 | stew | stockholm: hrm, i did well with bluetooth keyboards and headsets, but failed at getting obex talking to my nokia. do you have them talking at all? |
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| 17:16.31 | piko | mhall: I see it is in ustable |
| 17:16.40 | mhall | piko: yeah there's a koffice equivalent |
| 17:17.01 | mhall | I need an intuitive screen editor (meaning not emacs or vi) that handles unicode properly. Any suggestions? |
| 17:17.04 | aubergine | How can i find all files of an user and copy it to /tmp/123 ? |
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| 17:17.12 | piko | Hmm, ok I will try |
| 17:17.17 | piko | thanks for it |
| 17:17.25 | piko | mhall: to you |
| 17:17.28 | roler | thanks! |
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| 17:17.37 | mhall | piko: sure thing :) |
| 17:17.52 | npx | shouldn't grep "^0\\*" match lines that begin with 0? that outputs nothing, and grep -v "^0\\*" outputs lines that begin with 0 |
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| 17:18.05 | nn- | mh funny ps shows a number of lsofs running and they do not even respond to signal 9 |
| 17:18.19 | bubak | grep -e "^0" |
| 17:18.22 | stew | npx: i steered you wrong at first. you want "^0\*" |
| 17:18.33 | bubak | use inverse match to grep the opposite |
| 17:18.34 | npx | man, regular expressions make my head hurt |
| 17:18.36 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:18.36 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:18.48 | mhall | nn-: you can try -SEGV |
| 17:18.54 | mhall | :comfort npx |
| 17:19.00 | mhall | !comfort npx |
| 17:19.00 | dpkg | There, there, npx. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:19.06 | npx | awww |
| 17:19.10 | npx | mhall let's run away together |
| 17:19.14 | npx | me, you, dpkg, boca raton |
| 17:19.21 | mhall | lol! |
| 17:19.24 | alexk_ | is it safer to uninstall backports first? One of the things that is backported is OpenSSL so I guess that needs to be there for the ssh connection. |
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| 17:19.30 | nn- | mhall: that doesnt have any effects, too |
| 17:19.33 | mhall | if you're a chick, npx, sure :) |
| 17:19.38 | piko | mhall: openoffice.org-core is not available in unstable nor experimental |
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| 17:19.45 | mhall | nn-: also i think maybe it's part of the kernel |
| 17:19.58 | aubergine | How can i find all files of an user and copy all the files to /tmp/123 ? |
| 17:19.58 | mhall | piko: right note they didn't put it in there for some logistic reasons. try this |
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| 17:20.17 | mhall | piko: http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.0.2/experimental/ |
| 17:21.40 | bubak | grep -e "^0" -v .bitchxrc |
| 17:21.41 | piko | mhall: Please what do you mean by logistic reasons? |
| 17:21.41 | nn- | i cannot run lsof anymore because there are still some instances running that wont terminate |
| 17:21.41 | piko | Not enough space or ...? |
| 17:21.46 | mhall | piko: no, because of some problems it would cause with the openoffice versioning system. |
| 17:21.57 | piko | mhall: ok |
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| 17:22.32 | mhall | piko: the reasons seem a bit stupid to me but i'll just have to trust that _rene_ has his reasons; he usually does |
| 17:22.53 | piko | mhall: I understand |
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| 17:24.24 | nn- | is there any way to get rid of these broken processes without rebooting? |
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| 17:24.59 | mhall | piko: in any case try those packages and let me know how they turn out |
| 17:25.09 | piko | mhall: ok |
| 17:25.16 | piko | mhall: at the minute |
| 17:25.41 | bobwhoops | Whenever I close my laptop screen, the screen turns off and I can't get it to turn back on. Any idea why? |
| 17:26.14 | nn- | bobwhoops: does closing the screen trigger an acpi event? |
| 17:26.47 | lamby | bobwhoops: what laptop? |
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| 17:27.14 | bobwhoops | nn-: I'm not sure. Probably. How can I check? |
| 17:27.15 | piko | mhall: Hmm I have problem: |
| 17:27.20 | piko | dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-core_2.0.2-2_amd64.deb (--install): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/openoffice/program/libsvx680lx.so') |
| 17:27.25 | bobwhoops | lamby: Dell Inspiron 8200 |
| 17:27.36 | nn- | bobwhoops: can you suspend / standby manually? |
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| 17:28.21 | nn- | bobwhoops: in doubt you might try apm, because acpi tends to be horribly broken |
| 17:28.23 | bobwhoops | nn-: I don't know. I'm using someone else's machine |
| 17:29.05 | mhall | piko: i have not seen that error before i suspect bad download |
| 17:30.17 | lamby | bobwhoops: i use a workaround I found on the thinkpad wiki - http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume |
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| 17:30.58 | nn- | i'll check of whether switching to rl 1 ends lsof |
| 17:31.05 | lamby | bobwhoops: basically involves switching to a text console first and saving the video state. hack, but it works. :) |
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| 17:32.38 | _rene_ | mhall: and, it currently doesn't build anymore :-( |
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| 17:33.21 | _rene_ | I tried to build it for 2.0.2-3 (currently in NEW), and it doesn't build... |
| 17:33.31 | nn- | init 1 worked, so there must be a way to kill these process by hand |
| 17:33.33 | _rene_ | no now, uploading to experimental would be bad |
| 17:34.01 | _rene_ | because if there's a newer version in sid th eversion from experimental gets removed semi-automatically. always. |
| 17:34.17 | mhall | _rene_: aww _rene_ that's sad sad sad! |
| 17:34.55 | nn- | are there any tools to manipulate the kernel's process table besides kill? |
| 17:35.11 | _rene_ | to to mention I would need to invent sometihing like -3+amd64 or something like that |
| 17:35.15 | _rene_ | which is equally bad |
| 17:35.32 | mhall | _rene_: eew |
| 17:35.41 | nn- | or mabye i just need to send the correct signal.. |
| 17:35.50 | bobwhoops | lamby: It freezes for me even in a text console |
| 17:35.53 | mhall | nn-: try em all |
| 17:36.10 | lamby | bobwhoops: you sure it freezes? or just stays blank? |
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| 17:36.17 | _rene_ | if you need s stable, ussable for production OOo you want to use the 32-bit one anyway |
| 17:36.25 | bobwhoops | lamby: Err...stays blank, not freezes |
| 17:36.27 | mhall | nn-: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/programming/linux_pgsignals.html |
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| 17:36.33 | nn- | mhall: i'll do when i manage to reproduces the bug.. |
| 17:36.37 | Roey | greetings. Anyone know when Debian's packages will depend on python2.4 rather than 2.3.5? |
| 17:36.56 | azeem | Roey: there's no ETA |
| 17:37.00 | azeem | but hopefully soon |
| 17:37.01 | mhall | _rene_: yeah i know you said that on the homepage but i figured i'd at least let piko before forcing him to do a great big complex chroot |
| 17:37.06 | markit | Roey: when python 2.5 will be readi ;P (just joking) |
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| 17:37.17 | Roey | azeem: I think python2.5 might be a better target rather than 2.4 ;) |
| 17:37.23 | Roey | markit: heya |
| 17:37.24 | mhall | _rene_: after all if it works for him why should he bother |
| 17:37.25 | piko | mhall: That was it |
| 17:37.34 | lamby | bobwhoops: did you see the cat /proc/bus/pci/00/02.0 > /tmp/video_state trick on that page i linked? |
| 17:37.36 | mhall | piko: w00t. i got it. :) |
| 17:37.46 | piko | mhall: I experience some dependency problems |
| 17:38.00 | mhall | piko: i have great faith in our friend _rene_ not to upload broken packages |
| 17:38.02 | bobwhoops | lamby: But I can't do anything after it goes blank |
| 17:38.28 | piko | mhall: no, just it will take some minute |
| 17:38.54 | lamby | bobwhoops: you should put that in a script and make acpid run that script when you press suspend or shut your lid |
| 17:39.14 | lamby | bobwhoops: you can still SSH in though? |
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| 17:39.53 | bobwhoops | lamby: I can probably ssh to it. It doesn't have an internet connection now. Can I disable acpid altogether? |
| 17:40.30 | lamby | bobwhoops: i don't think you want to disable it as then it wouldn't suspend at all |
| 17:40.35 | User900 | -> shogunx Question: is 16MB of RAM enough for SQUID ? |
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| 17:40.57 | Silent_al | hello , is there a gui for irda-utils ? |
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| 17:41.11 | piko | well, this is problem : |
| 17:41.14 | piko | libhsqldb-java |
| 17:41.36 | piko | mhall: It is not installable according to dpkg |
| 17:42.39 | piko | mhall: So the oo-java-common can not be installed nor the oo-base |
| 17:43.13 | User900 | Anyone, please, is 16MB of RAM enough for SQUID ? |
| 17:43.20 | piko | mhall: pardon, my fault |
| 17:43.43 | mhall | damn it, something corrupted the unicode in my index.html file |
| 17:43.45 | lamby | User900: try on #squid |
| 17:43.46 | mhall | wtf wtf wtf |
| 17:44.01 | bobwhoops | lamby: I was going to try to the script, but I don't have an /etc/acpi |
| 17:44.26 | stew | bobwhoops: apt-get install acpid acpi |
| 17:45.05 | piko | mhall: Eh, I got same problem _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6000: Name or service not known |
| 17:45.37 | mhall | piko: dur... that's odd |
| 17:45.58 | mhall | _rene_: what can be done about piko's error? |
| 17:46.40 | stew | aparantly i have a pcmagazine subscription now that i never signed up for |
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| 17:46.59 | mhall | ah no wonder unicode was t3h b0rk3d. i didn't have it enabled. |
| 17:47.01 | mhall | :idiot mhall |
| 17:47.04 | mhall | !idiot mhall |
| 17:47.18 | prudhvi | i need to compile a Kernel with ACPI. Should i compile it as a module or Compile it into Kernel ? |
| 17:47.19 | mhall | !lart mhall |
| 17:47.44 | beepNboop | Hi - I'm interested in getting a true hardware raid card (to connect 2 IDE drives) and I have a single SCSI connector on my motherboard - any recommendations/thoughts on what best to purchase ? |
| 17:47.48 | azeem | mhall: please /msg the bot :P |
| 17:47.53 | beepNboop | s/to/two |
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| 17:48.13 | myren | is gnutls usable now? |
| 17:48.22 | myren | i remember it was a piece of shit 5 years ago, a joke |
| 17:48.23 | mhall | azeem: yeah i'm never in #d anymore so i've bound : to bots in my brain because of #d-ot |
| 17:48.46 | mhall | azeem: hence i always hit : when i try to injure myself as punishment for moronicity |
| 17:48.53 | azeem | myren: eh, depends on your type of usage |
| 17:49.01 | mhall | azeem: like expected unicode locale to work when it's not set as my locale |
| 17:49.01 | azeem | myren: it's in pretty wide use now AFAIK |
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| 17:49.50 | beepNboop | clear |
| 17:50.39 | scarynetworkguy | ENABLE/ALLOW ACCESS TO CU'S OTG SERVER LOCATED AT IP: 172.30.70.1 |
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| 17:50.57 | kzar | I have one network port to the network in my room and I was hoping to plug my linux box into that, and then my other pc into the second nic in my linux box. The thing is how would I go about making the linux box route stuff through when my pc wants to use the network? |
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| 17:51.16 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: ? |
| 17:51.30 | mhall | kzar: ipmasq package is quick easy method |
| 17:51.53 | stew | scarynetworkstuff |
| 17:51.54 | kzar | cool, I'l look that up a bit |
| 17:51.59 | avtobiff | iptables |
| 17:52.27 | minerale | iptables allows for plural "CU's" ? |
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| 17:53.31 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: Mispaste. |
| 17:53.55 | kzar | the other thing I wondered is would that ipmasq program let me set how incoming stuff is sorted out? Like I would want most things to go to my pc but ssh to the linux box kinda thing |
| 17:54.29 | prudhvi | Is there any Problem with Gnome 2.14.1 ? the Sound seems to be Muted during the Startup |
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| 17:55.50 | mhall | kzar: you can add rules to the files to forward ports |
| 17:56.05 | pngwen | Does anyone know how I can do the following, I want xterm to be able to display both english and Russian letters and be able to rapidly switch between typing in russian and typing in english. |
| 17:56.32 | kzar | mhall: sound, thanks |
| 17:56.34 | mhall | kzar: there is also i think some demon to let you forward dynamically using upnp |
| 17:57.17 | mhall | pngwen: well if you use unicode mode and install russian fonts this will help |
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| 17:57.32 | mhall | pngwen: the other thing is you need to dpkg-reconfigure locales and build the proper locales |
| 17:57.41 | mhall | pngwen: and you need to get russian fonts |
| 17:57.52 | pngwen | mhall: I have the russian fonts installed. What are the proper locales? I build en_US and all the ru_RU locales. |
| 17:58.02 | nvz | MAN ITS a good thing (I turned off capslock) that I stayed up most of the night.. getting things rolling today is a bitch anyhow.. being its still a weekday workday for most people |
| 17:58.08 | mhall | pngwen: and then you can somehow (i don't quite know how) set a hotkey which changes keyboard layout |
| 17:58.11 | pngwen | but the only change is that the russian text appears in xterm as dotted boxes. |
| 17:58.28 | mhall | nvz: hmm another funny nvz rant |
| 17:58.40 | mhall | pngwen: then the font that the xterm is using is not right |
| 17:58.43 | nvz | mhall: yep :) |
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| 17:58.50 | mhall | pngwen: send me some unicode russian right now and i'll see if it works in console |
| 17:59.01 | tarzeau | !ru |
| 17:59.02 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 17:59.13 | tarzeau | mhall: knew about this chan? pretty nice party place as well |
| 17:59.17 | nvz | mhall: I am trying to get my ducks lined up and get out of town.. people arent answering their phones |
| 17:59.26 | pngwen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.34 | mrj | hi |
| 17:59.34 | mhall | nvz: i don't know why people don't think nvz rants are funny |
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| 17:59.38 | mrj | could someone help me |
| 17:59.39 | mrj | please |
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| 17:59.41 | mrj | wine problems |
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| 17:59.47 | mhall | !tell mrj about ask |
| 17:59.49 | mhall | !tell mrj about return |
| 17:59.57 | mrj | !wine |
| 17:59.57 | dpkg | i guess wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 18:00.02 | pngwen | ïî-ðóññê |
| 18:00.09 | mrj | i know what wine is |
| 18:00.17 | mrj | i have problems with it |
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| 18:00.42 | mrj | i a was not able to find any solution on google nor on winehq.com |
| 18:00.47 | mhall | pngwen: they display as: i with umlauts. i with hat. funny looking 'd'. o acute. n with tilde twice. e with hat. |
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| 18:01.03 | pngwen | mhall: that's what I'm seeing too. |
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| 18:01.16 | mhall | pngwen: is it correct? |
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| 18:01.31 | piko | mhall: Hmm it seems, that the problems covers not only oo, but also other apps |
| 18:01.34 | mhall | pngwen: i think i see the problem |
| 18:01.40 | pngwen | mhall: yeah, babelfish can understand it :P |
| 18:01.41 | mhall | pngwen: it's using KOI8-R |
| 18:01.58 | pngwen | mhall: ah... ok, is there a way I can cope with that? |
| 18:02.08 | mrj | fixme:ntdll:NtConnectPort (0x7d587398,L"\\RPC Control\\DNSResolver",0x7c95de8c,(nil),(nil),(nil),0x7c95deb4,0x7c95de9c),stub! |
| 18:02.12 | mrj | what means that error |
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| 18:02.44 | mhall | pngwen: the russians are pretty militant about KOI8 in their channel it seems http://ot-e.biz/koi8.jpg |
| 18:03.03 | mhall | pngwen: you'd think they'd get off their duffs and pick a decent encoding |
| 18:03.14 | kspath | mrj: why are you asking about wine in #debain? |
| 18:03.17 | mhall | pngwen: one trick is running xterm -u8 -bg black -fg white |
| 18:03.22 | pngwen | mhall: everyone out of russia seems to be sending that out. |
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| 18:03.24 | mhall | pngwen: sometimes that helps |
| 18:03.31 | lamby | mhall: there's m.f. utf-8 on this plane! |
| 18:03.32 | mrj | where should i ask ? |
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| 18:03.37 | mhall | lamby: heh |
| 18:03.45 | HNT | Hello everybody, I have a problem with apt-get. When I try to install the nvidia driver, I need the nvidia-glx package but when i type apt-get install nvidia-glx, i get this error : nvidia-glx: depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756 but it is not instalable, the package nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756 is set to "not available" at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx , so wath's the solution ? |
| 18:03.51 | mrj | is wine not am LINUX Application ? |
| 18:03.52 | kspath | mrj: wine channel? wine mailing list? |
| 18:03.57 | stingray | i was just trying to install debian with the netinstall-image. due to the lack of drives (no floppy or cdrom) i am forced to boot the install-system with loadlin. therefor i used the vmlinuz kernel-image and initrd.gz ramdisk i found in the "/install"-subdir of the netinst-cd-image. so far everything works like planned but the debian-installer does not have a netinstall-option. what did i miss? |
| 18:04.19 | quitte_ | HNT: module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 18:04.24 | mrj | kspath: only 3 person there |
| 18:04.28 | pngwen | mhall: nope, still not getting it. Is there a way I can make xterm do KOI-8? I have the fonts for it. |
| 18:04.34 | mhall | mrj: that error means that a stub function got called instead of a real function to handle the call made by the application |
| 18:04.38 | mhall | pngwen: hmm |
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| 18:04.49 | cyzie | i have installed etch on a sata drive where it connected to a hardware raid controller onboard. now, i have bought a similar hdd, can i just mirror the hdd in the onboard hardware or do i need attention on the OS side as well? please advice |
| 18:04.56 | HNT | is it a command ? modules-assistant ? |
| 18:04.59 | mrj | mhall: could you tell me what i need to to to solve that problem ? |
| 18:05.01 | daniel5134 | how can i watch video files encoded with the wmv codec? |
| 18:05.08 | mhall | pngwen: console-cyrillic - Better Cyrillic support for Linux console |
| 18:05.15 | mhall | pngwen: mlterm - MultiLingual TERMinal |
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| 18:05.23 | kspath | mrj: distribution channels should not be tied up by application specifics unless it is directly due to a bug/flaw in that distribution. |
| 18:05.47 | mhall | pngwen: koi8rxterm |
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| 18:06.05 | trenka | HNT: you should install nvidia-kernel-source and read the README |
| 18:06.13 | daniel5134 | any know now i can watch videos encoded in wmv format? |
| 18:06.16 | daniel5134 | anyone* |
| 18:06.22 | ceplma | daniel5134: any player supporting libxine or mplayer |
| 18:06.27 | mhall | pngwen: apt-cache search xterm is your friend |
| 18:06.27 | jind | "ruben celly = ALL" in /etc/sudoers will demand a passord before executing, right? |
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| 18:06.40 | pngwen | mhall: yeah |
| 18:06.41 | trenka | daniel5134: you can use mplayer and win32 codecs |
| 18:06.45 | ceplma | daniel5134: and of course you have to have isntalled win32codecs from mplayer website |
| 18:06.55 | mhall | pngwen: apt-cache search koi8 is also your friend |
| 18:07.02 | mhall | pngwen: and so is apt-cache show xterm |
| 18:07.19 | jind | Right now it doesn't but maybe that's just debian who remembers the password a while? |
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| 18:07.36 | trenka | koi8rxterm is just and xterm with koi8-r font |
| 18:07.40 | daniel5134 | could you walk me through installing w32 codecs? i can't seem to get it to work |
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| 18:08.54 | ceplma | daniel5134: which Debian distribution -- stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 18:09.13 | jind | Does anybody know what is needed in /etc/sudoers to let users do anything, but with a password? in the man page all I find is a NOPASSWD statement, but no statement explicitly enabling password |
| 18:09.17 | daniel5134 | ceplma, i'm running sarge i think |
| 18:09.26 | pngwen | mhall: the cyrillic console one makes the whole system be cyrillic btw.... I need a mixed solution |
| 18:09.31 | chealer | !tell daniel5134 about wmv |
| 18:09.35 | mrj | mhall: could you chat me in private please |
| 18:09.42 | trenka | pngwen: it is for console only |
| 18:10.16 | mhall | mrj: we don't do that here |
| 18:10.31 | mrj | i see |
| 18:10.36 | ceplma | daniel5134: try to put this into your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main and the aptitude update; aptitude install w32codecs |
| 18:10.44 | mhall | mrj: then nobody else with the same problem gets help with it |
| 18:10.46 | trenka | pngwen: you should have compiled locale and can use xterm with resources depend of locale |
| 18:10.46 | mrj | mhall: could you please help me with that wine problem |
| 18:11.10 | mrj | i ve tried the whole day long |
| 18:11.16 | mrj | and with no success |
| 18:11.21 | pngwen | mhall: w00t! koi8rxterm did the trick |
| 18:11.36 | mhall | mrj: i told you. for fuck's sake. it can't be helped. |
| 18:11.44 | mhall | mrj: that error means that a stub function got called instead of a real function to handle the call made by the application |
| 18:11.46 | Silent_al | hello , is there a gui for irda-utils ? how can i send files to a mobile device? |
| 18:11.47 | trenka | pngwen: for example, for locale ru_RU.KOI8-R you can add .font resource to /etc/X11/ru_RU.KOI8-R/app-defaults/XTerm |
| 18:11.53 | mhall | mrj: if you want to fix it you have to patch wine |
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| 18:12.08 | mhall | trenka: thanks for helping. i did about as much as i could, not being a real russian. |
| 18:12.15 | alexk_ | is aptitude remove kdelibs3 the best way to get rid of kde? |
| 18:12.18 | mhall | trenka: how come the russians don't seem to like unicode? |
| 18:12.22 | mrj | mhall: But i ve had the same problem with other dll's and i just have copied them to .wine/system32 and it DID worked |
| 18:12.41 | mhall | mrj: yeah that's true. so why not copy over that dll. |
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| 18:12.51 | mrj | but when i copy ntdll.dll in .wine/system32 nothing happens |
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| 18:13.06 | trenka | mhall: there are a lot of problems with utf when it uses more than 1-byte to encode symbols |
| 18:13.09 | mrj | mhall: i have tried - but with no success |
| 18:13.17 | mhall | mrj: yeah then maybe you should try to contact the developers |
| 18:13.26 | mhall | mrj: i mean, you didn't miss anything |
| 18:13.26 | stingray | why does my debian-installer lack the netinstall-option? netinstall is alot harder this way. :\ |
| 18:13.36 | trenka | mhall: and debian still do not support utf in mc and a lot of other programs |
| 18:13.37 | mhall | mrj: it seems like you tried everything i would have tried |
| 18:13.44 | mhall | trenka: that's really bad |
| 18:13.50 | chealer | alexk_: which release do you use? |
| 18:14.10 | alexk_ | chealer: woody, I'm preparing to upgrade to sarge but I don't use KDE |
| 18:14.15 | mhall | trenka: Ich muß UTF8 für Deutsch benutzen. :) |
| 18:14.29 | mrj | mhall: should i give you the output - there are a few more errors that happens - maybe it's something different that causes the ntdll not to work ? |
| 18:14.43 | pngwen | except, I'm not so sure that the text I sent was in KOI8-R. It is displaying cyrillic now, but it is not the correct cyrillic letters |
| 18:14.47 | chealer | alexk_: removing kdelibs3 should indeed get rid of most KDE-related packages |
| 18:14.51 | stew | alexk_: then yes. kdelibs3. and /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; don't use apt-get but aptitude for the upgrade |
| 18:14.54 | mhall | mrj: no i really doubt it. you better contact the developers. |
| 18:14.54 | trenka | mhall: and one more problem is traditions :) |
| 18:15.11 | mhall | trenka: culturally, are russians very traditional? |
| 18:15.26 | trenka | mhall: enough |
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| 18:15.54 | mhall | trenka: well if the programs didn't work right in unicode i'd have a hard time switching too |
| 18:16.00 | mhall | trenka: but most of my stuff works |
| 18:16.17 | User900 | anyone do you know any good software that can be used as proxy for more than HTTP ? for example FTP,MAIL ??? |
| 18:16.36 | trenka | mhall: it's fine. And really the transition is going |
| 18:16.38 | mhall | trenka: most of the ones that don't, don't work because i did stupid things to them |
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| 18:17.19 | stew | User900: you could setup a socks proxy ; or an ssh tunnel |
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| 18:18.10 | User900 | and socks proxy (name ?) |
| 18:18.28 | trenka | pngwen: if you need any help -- you are welcome |
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| 18:18.33 | User900 | or it is only SocksProxy ?? |
| 18:18.36 | stew | User900: apt-cache search socks proxy |
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| 18:18.43 | User900 | ok |
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| 18:19.38 | User900 | but i have problems with Hotsanic, it writes Permission denied but permissions are OK, what's wrong ? |
| 18:19.47 | pngwen | trenka: hold on, I'm looking at it in hex to find what encoding it was using. Basically it's the same for all the text that flies through centericq, and I would so like to be able to converse with my russian friends without transliterating! |
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| 18:21.33 | stew | User900: strace it to find out what it is doing when it gets the permission denied |
| 18:21.37 | dtech | I am wanting to use debian as a router (NOT a NAT gateway) between two networks, I enabled the kernel routing but i can't seem to get anything to hop from one interface to another. Could somebody point me in the proper direction for this please? |
| 18:22.08 | LSorensen | dtech: is ip_forward enabled? |
| 18:22.16 | trenka | mhall: about KOI8-R -- it's the worst charset to encode cyrillic. It was used because without bit 7 it was still possible to read russian, it becomes translit. But it is impossible to encode a lot of symbols using KOI8 (belorussian, ukranian, specific symbols). But it is still |
| 18:22.26 | LSorensen | dtech: sysctl can enable it at boot for you |
| 18:22.41 | dtech | I believe i did that last week.. could you reinform me of what i have to cat to see |
| 18:22.47 | User900 | when it collect data and generates graphs |
| 18:22.58 | stew | dtech: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:23.00 | trenka | pngwen: you can show me a screenshot |
| 18:23.09 | LSorensen | dtech: the setting has to be done each boot of course, hence sysctl.conf |
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| 18:23.30 | Spec | dtech: put a '1' in that file that stew said |
| 18:23.41 | LSorensen | dtech: the rest would be making sure the system is a member of both networks, and that all machines on each network point at it as the default gateway |
| 18:23.53 | dtech | irc:/# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:23.53 | dtech | 1 |
| 18:24.06 | pngwen | trenka: hmm, it's not KOI8-R encoding. In a position where it should be a "Pe" it is drawing an "O" |
| 18:24.27 | trenka | pngwen: windows-cp1251 is very popular |
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| 18:24.47 | User900 | use Unicode ? |
| 18:24.50 | pngwen | trenka: let me check to see if that's the encoding |
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| 18:25.26 | dtech | okay here's the thing, I dont want it as a default gateway but more as a route to another network I dont think this matters tho as long as I do route add -net x.x.x.x netmask x.x.x.x gw x.x.x.x |
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| 18:25.43 | LSorensen | dtech: sure if you do that on every single machine on the network |
| 18:25.50 | LSorensen | dtech: well all the ones that should have access to the other network |
| 18:26.16 | dtech | k I ont understand why I am not getting through ths machine |
| 18:26.18 | pngwen | trenka: That's it! The hex matches up with what I expect to see in cyrillic. |
| 18:26.30 | pngwen | trenka: is there a way I can get xterm to understand that encoding? |
| 18:26.31 | trenka | User900: usually the results of progress are used in russian with a delay |
| 18:26.37 | stew | dtech: are your netfilter policies setup to allow the packets to be forwarded? |
| 18:26.37 | trenka | pngwen: of cource |
| 18:26.45 | pngwen | trenka: how do I go about that? |
| 18:27.11 | dtech | stew: I think this is where I am lost at.. netfiler=iptables? |
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| 18:27.43 | trenka | pngwen: you can look what I talked about KOI8 above, or you can use the koi8rxterm approach, it defines another class |
| 18:27.46 | stew | dtech: yes |
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| 18:28.06 | trenka | pngwen: in any case you should start xterm with cp1251 font |
| 18:28.22 | dtech | iptables allows all packets, as far as forwarding goes I wasnt aware that I needed to do this? |
| 18:28.33 | trenka | pngwen: and better if in ru_RU.CP1251 locale (emacs /etc/locale.gen or dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
| 18:28.51 | pngwen | trenka: I setup every russian local |
| 18:29.11 | dtech | I mean I don't wnat NAT happening I just want straight up routing like a cisco router would do from a to b |
| 18:29.22 | pngwen | trenka: If I modify my locale variables and then start xterm, will that do it? |
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| 18:30.05 | stew | dtech: when you run "iptables -L -n" are the policies set to "ACCEPT" for all 3 chains? or is there other stuff in there? |
| 18:30.20 | trenka | pngwen: LANG=ru_RU.CP1251 xterm -fn '<favorit cp1251 font' |
| 18:30.37 | dtech | stew: yes |
| 18:30.44 | dtech | and it is empty |
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| 18:32.00 | trenka | pngwen: xterm can use fontconfig too, but I used only bitmap fonts with xterm and cannot help in it |
| 18:32.52 | pngwen | trenka: I don't appear to have an cp1251 fonts |
| 18:33.03 | dtech | okay here's what is weird.. i have another linux machine on the network.. I set up a route on it to go to the outside network and I can ping the outside network interface on the router box but it won't ping any farther |
| 18:33.08 | pngwen | trenka: I installed xfonts-cyrillic |
| 18:33.13 | trenka | pngwen: if you use debian, type apt-cache search xfonts-bolkhov |
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| 18:35.47 | dtech | I dunno maybe I am assuming I can do something I cant tho... what it is I have wireless AP running on one machine, it is linked to anothe rlinux machine 4 miles away. I want all my machines on the other sides of the wireless link to be able to talk.. should be simple but it's not acting that way |
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| 18:36.19 | pngwen | trenka: ok, I see those, they are installing now |
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| 18:37.31 | trenka | pngwen: you are cool :) |
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| 18:38.42 | trenka | is it possible to see James Troup here ? |
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| 18:39.30 | stew | trenka: no, you won't see him on irc, thank god. he does way to much stuff for the project to be farting around on irc like us :) |
| 18:39.34 | dondelelcaro | trenka: no. |
| 18:39.58 | dondelelcaro | stew: he is on IRC, but not this network. (And you really shouldn't waste his time) |
| 18:40.32 | stew | dondelelcaro: ahh, ok. I didn't waste his time! :) |
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| 18:42.06 | toomasr | hi, i'm having problems with my machines running debian, all of them have nvidia cards, and after the last dist-upgrade, running the official-driver installation process and the starting X results in "driver not found", modprobing nvidia works fine, but X still complaints, any suggestions are welcome |
| 18:42.35 | stew | toomasr: which version of debian / x ? |
| 18:42.40 | toomasr | unstable |
| 18:42.47 | stew | !debwiki toomasr Xorg69To7 |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | toomasr: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 18:42.53 | trenka | :) |
| 18:42.55 | stew | toomasr: see if there is anything there to help you |
| 18:42.58 | toomasr | x.org 7.0.0 |
| 18:43.04 | toomasr | oh, will check |
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| 18:44.04 | mentor | WTF? This .so has no symbols in it. |
| 18:45.00 | dondelelcaro | mentor: nm -D? |
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| 18:45.40 | pngwen | trenka: sorry was AFK. Thnx :-) |
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| 18:46.04 | toomasr | stew, thanks a lot, my issue seems to have a workaround in that document, i'll give it a shot |
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| 18:46.41 | mentor | ah... |
| 18:47.10 | mentor | so...why is this gstreamer plugin looking for a faac* funciton in libfaad... |
| 18:47.11 | dtech | okie i got it and thanks for all the help everyone gave me |
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| 18:47.46 | trenka | pngwen: thx for what? Is it working? |
| 18:47.49 | stew | dtech: what was the problem? |
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| 18:48.04 | pngwen | trenka: I'm having trouble getting the font name right. what's an example of the font. I was thanking you for getting me this far :-) |
| 18:48.08 | brendan_ | hi, does anyone know of a apt-get gui frontend that can be driven from the command line? Kinda like synaptics progress dialogs withouth the main window |
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| 18:48.34 | dtech | stew: I'm not sure I tried it again and it started working hehe |
| 18:48.45 | dtech | I think it was just me |
| 18:48.54 | trenka | pngwen: xlsfonts | grep cp1251 ? |
| 18:48.59 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: aptitude |
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| 18:49.05 | summsumm | Hi, anyone an idea, why I get a connection refused from people.debian.org (connection from a computer with a different internet connection is working) |
| 18:49.12 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: indeed, you should just be using aptitude period. |
| 18:49.24 | stew | !connection refused |
| 18:49.24 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 18:49.43 | stew | summsumm: ^^^^ since we know the service is running, there must be a firewall |
| 18:49.51 | brendan_ | dondelelcaro, aptitude is a console program, isn't it? |
| 18:49.55 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: yes. |
| 18:50.17 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: it has a curses interface, so it's quite user friendly, and it's got a command line interface as well. |
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| 18:50.33 | summsumm | stew: thx, but actually there is no firewall on the client side, and I do not understand why people.debian.org should reject me |
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| 18:50.42 | brendan_ | dondelelcaro, i really need a x11 based one. |
| 18:50.43 | pngwen | trenka: ok, I'm seeing the fonts now at least. I had to restart x :-P |
| 18:50.45 | stew | summsumm: its not rejecting you |
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| 18:50.51 | trenka | pngwen: no |
| 18:50.52 | stew | brendan_: so you are looking for a program where you can issue commands from the cli but you will get gui progress bars when it does stuff like download? |
| 18:50.52 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: why? |
| 18:51.01 | summsumm | refuses the connection... |
| 18:51.09 | trenka | pngwen: I think you need xset fp rehash |
| 18:51.09 | brendan_ | stew, yes |
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| 18:51.17 | pngwen | trenka: I ran it and it listed no cp1251 fonts, then I restarted x and it did |
| 18:51.22 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: if you need to to be able to be run by X11, just start it in an xterm |
| 18:51.30 | stew | summsumm: how do you know that its people.debian.org refusing the connection and not one of the computers in between? |
| 18:51.45 | brendan_ | dondelelcaro, that really not what i'm looking for |
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| 18:51.59 | trenka | pngwen: well, you could reboot too :) |
| 18:52.00 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:52.06 | TaF | im still new so dont nail me to the wall on this but my question is: after i choose what mirrors i want to use as repositories, how do i know which distribution and setions to enter in? |
| 18:52.10 | dazedyugo | hello all |
| 18:52.12 | pngwen | trenka: that did it! I can see proper cyrillic now |
| 18:52.13 | summsumm | i do not know, it's a dialin connection (dynamic ip), it does not help to dial in again (and change the ip) |
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| 18:52.30 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: pretty much anyone who should be installing packages should either be using synaptic or aptitude... and I'd strongly suggest using aptitude. |
| 18:52.40 | pngwen | trenka: I guess restarting the fontserver would have sufficed, but ctl+alt+backspace is quicker |
| 18:52.49 | dazedyugo | how do you use the dpkg bot to search for packages that contain a certain string? i.e., I'm looking for the library that contains the definition for XGetWindowProperty. |
| 18:53.05 | brendan_ | dondelelcaro, i need to run apt-get from a script and have it install some packages, but i need a nice gui to show the user whats going on |
| 18:53.14 | pngwen | trenka: thank you so much! Now all I have to do is figure out how to switch back and forth between keyboard layouts and I'm set |
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| 18:53.37 | brendan_ | dondelelcaro, this is an installer for a commercial product so aptitude running in a xterm won't cut it |
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| 18:53.48 | trenka | pngwen: Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru" |
| 18:53.55 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: so just have your script call aptitude to install the stuff, and shove a progress bar at the user based on the output from aptitude or apt-get. |
| 18:54.04 | trenka | pngwen: or use setxkbmap |
| 18:54.06 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: there are loads of X11 based progress bars |
| 18:54.45 | pngwen | trenka: with the first option, how do you go about switching back and forth? |
| 18:54.54 | trenka | pngwen: Option "XkbOptions" "grp:caps_toggle" is useful too ;) (or another combination) |
| 18:55.08 | pngwen | trenka: ah, I see :-) |
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| 18:55.39 | brendan_ | dondelelcaro, i though of that, but parsing the output of apt-get is prone to errors, so i could use tha apt libraries to do it, but i though i'd ask if there was something that did that already, so i didn't recreate it |
| 18:56.03 | mne | hi there, My gnome-keyboard-properties is not able to switch keyboard layouts. I can add layouts, but they do not appear in the selection list. Are there any special xorg.conf options required to enable gnome-keyboard-properties to switch layouts ? |
| 18:56.32 | dondelelcaro | brendan_: it's actually not that difficult; all you care about is figuring out when aptitude is downloading, and seeing how much it has left, then figuring out when it's started the install, and counting the number of packages that it's going to install, and how far along it is. |
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| 18:59.21 | dondelelcaro | of course, IMO, you really should just show the output from aptitude/apt-get... but then again, I'm probably not your target audience. [Indeed, it's highly unlikely that I'd even consider installing the software.] |
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| 19:00.36 | pngwen | trenka: by any chance do you know xterm's default font? BTW, I was able to get the winkey to switch between US and RU keyboard on my laptop, finally that key is useful! |
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| 19:01.43 | trenka | pngwen: default font ix 'fixed'. But you can use XTerm.VT100.Font xresource |
| 19:02.07 | TaF | so what is "ditsribution" and "section" mean in synaptic used for? what do i type in those spots, am i supposed to know what i want to put in those spots? |
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| 19:03.04 | pngwen | trenka: ok, got it. You've really helped me a lot. xterm fonts have seemed all mistifying to me, and I've been using linux for a real long time! |
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| 19:04.31 | nse | what do to about this, can someone give me a good argument? " drkat_: well the problem with that is, there is no need for linux as a desktop OS we have Windows and all the software support and hardware support we need , along with valuable ways and very effective ways of exchanging and managing information" ? |
| 19:04.49 | pilgrim | I'm trying to get smtp and pop3 working for my exim server. I configured evolution to be the client and then tried to sent an email to yahoo, the exim logs give me this error: H=s010600095b97934d.lb.shawcable.net (laptopi) [70.65.132.245] F=<gezim@idigidesign.com> rejected RCPT <hgezim@yahoo.com>: relay not permitted |
| 19:04.50 | pilgrim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.01 | mentor | Can I make apt-get download a source repository from a particular mirror/repository? |
| 19:06.40 | trenka | pngwen: you can send me some beer :) |
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| 19:07.09 | asg | nse: having used Unix as my desktop OS now for 10 years or so, I find Windows to be totally unusable. That said, people used to Windows have the same comment about Unix desktops. The third category, new users, will use and get used to what you give them. |
| 19:07.17 | mentor | pilgrim: Mail servers relay mail that is not destined for the local host. This is bad if you let everyone do it. Only those autheticated should be able to. So you need to set up SMTP AUTH or give a list of local subnets to allow relaying for |
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| 19:07.22 | mentor | for which to allow |
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| 19:08.07 | pilgrim | mentor, how do I setup SMTP AUTH? |
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| 19:09.23 | pilgrim | mentor, BTW, I'm using dovecot |
| 19:09.33 | Shadowc4t | **blootbot |
| 19:09.37 | Shadowc4t | bah |
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| 19:10.13 | pilgrim | Shad0wcat, you speaking in tongues or what? |
| 19:10.30 | mentor | pilgrim: I don't know. Are you using dovecot SMTP? |
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| 19:11.03 | pilgrim | mentor, hmm....hmm...no. Well, I don't know. I though exim provided smtp. |
| 19:11.17 | Shadowc4t | pilgrim: no, I meant to use the ! trigger |
| 19:11.21 | Shadowc4t | my infobot used to use ** |
| 19:11.24 | Shadowc4t | old habit |
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| 19:11.33 | pilgrim | I see. |
| 19:11.34 | itcmin_ | hi |
| 19:11.39 | pilgrim | 'elo |
| 19:12.06 | mentor | pilgrim: OK. So...there are plenty of exim tutorials on the net |
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| 19:12.09 | itcmin_ | how to skip n lines in VIM??? |
| 19:12.22 | itcmin_ | for example: :skip 12/gc |
| 19:12.27 | mentor | pilgrim: I haven't played with exim authenticators in ages, and I haven't played with exim4 at all..so... |
| 19:12.35 | mentor | 12<down>? |
| 19:12.44 | pilgrim | mentor, fair enough. Thanks for your help :) |
| 19:13.30 | mentor | pilgrim: I think I would recommend exim4 over exim3 though |
| 19:13.42 | mentor | itcmin_: 12<down> |
| 19:13.51 | mentor | itcmin_: :<number> goes to that line |
| 19:13.52 | pilgrim | mentor, exim4 is default for sarge, which I'm using. |
| 19:14.16 | mentor | good stuff |
| 19:14.22 | pilgrim | speaking of vi. How do I copy/paste and cut/paste? |
| 19:15.01 | lapot | hi! how to change monitor drivers? |
| 19:15.08 | stew | !drxx lapot |
| 19:15.08 | dpkg | lapot: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:15.15 | stew | pilgrim: you might wanna check out "vimtutor" |
| 19:15.33 | StormTide | ok so say i hosed /etc/apache2 and want to reinstall the config files as scratch. How do i do this with removing the package completely and reinstalling it. (I dont want to have to redo all the dependant packages like php) |
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| 19:16.12 | pilgrim | stew, hmm, I did look at that a while back, however it's too much info all at once, I'd rather do bits as time passes so I can actually remeber. |
| 19:16.14 | r_marvin | apt-get install --reinstall apache2 , but i wouldn't bet on it |
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| 19:16.39 | strefli3 | I just connected a usb device, syslog says new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3, which /dev device represents it? |
| 19:16.44 | StormTide | r_marvin works but doesnt readd the config files |
| 19:17.07 | r_marvin | look at dpkg , it must have some --option |
| 19:17.10 | r_marvin | sorry |
| 19:17.19 | TaF | unresolved depenendies means im missing files needed to support the ones im trying to install right? |
| 19:17.23 | pilgrim | StormTide, who says that apt-get install apache2 will reinstal everything? |
| 19:17.31 | StormTide | pilgrim not i |
| 19:17.32 | stew | pilgrim: to copy, its y<cursor-movement> and for cut it's d<cursor-movement> to paste is p; cursor movement could be something like up arror or $ for end of line; or `a to got to the mark named a |
| 19:17.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell TaF -about bat |
| 19:17.43 | StormTide | but im trying to achieve that goal |
| 19:17.49 | dondelelcaro | TaF: follow those instructions and give us the output so we can help you. |
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| 19:18.01 | r_marvin | pilgrim: vimtutor is a nice start |
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| 19:18.10 | AcuraX | Hopw do i install gnome? |
| 19:18.16 | stew | AcuraX: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 19:18.17 | StormTide | (what i did was try to move the etc/apache2 dir to another drive and symlink it in place.; then i tried to install svn dav, and it hosed the dir and the symlink was left dangling |
| 19:18.18 | r_marvin | after that, look for a vim reference on the net, there are thousands |
| 19:18.31 | nse | AcuraX: apt-get install gnome --- will do it!!! |
| 19:18.33 | r_marvin | and learn to love the :help command :) |
| 19:18.34 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, have you ever heard about little debian? |
| 19:18.34 | TaF | i dont have a freakin clue what you are asking me for... |
| 19:18.41 | pilgrim | stew, thanks. |
| 19:19.04 | pilgrim | r_marvin, oh, I didn't know about :help! |
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| 19:19.06 | pilgrim | thanks. |
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| 19:19.17 | jaycee_N770 | stran |
| 19:19.19 | mhall | How can you play m4a files from the command line? |
| 19:19.26 | r_marvin | pilgrim: i learned vim in the following way |
| 19:19.39 | mentor | mhall: using faad |
| 19:19.44 | pilgrim | r_marvin, punching random strokes? |
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| 19:19.55 | r_marvin | whenever i hit a wrong key an d it did something , i used :he <key> |
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| 19:20.14 | pilgrim | r_marvin, good one. :) |
| 19:20.18 | AcuraX | ugh it says "the following packages have unmet dependencies" |
| 19:20.21 | mentor | mhall: You'll have to get that from marillat. For some reason it isn't in main, despite the fact that vlc and xine are shippping libfaad internally anyway |
| 19:20.22 | r_marvin | pilgrim: pasting without entering insert mode first might do imprevisible things :) |
| 19:20.31 | mhall | mentor: k cool |
| 19:20.39 | r_marvin | :he 'variable |
| 19:20.43 | r_marvin | :he :command |
| 19:20.49 | r_marvin | :he :help |
| 19:20.50 | r_marvin | :) |
| 19:21.05 | Gnea | !tell r_marvin about enter |
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| 19:21.34 | mhall | mentor: what do i do to get it to play instead of cutting a wav |
| 19:22.07 | Bogo | Good evening to you! I was wondering if there was a good program for unraing rar-arhivces? When I try to run "atp-get install unrar" i get: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.du.se stable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.du.se_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 19:22.10 | nse | AcuraX: well apt-get will correct the dependecnies for you, just hit return |
| 19:22.30 | Gnea | Bogo: apt-get update |
| 19:22.34 | AcuraX | I did.. |
| 19:22.39 | allefant | how could i make log messages go only to a certain console? |
| 19:22.48 | Bogo | Gnea: have done that update |
| 19:22.55 | Bogo | But i got some errors some where |
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| 19:22.58 | AcuraX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.14 | AcuraX | E0x: Broken packages |
| 19:23.15 | allefant | when i'm outside X11, then kernel messages seem to overwrite the screen all the time |
| 19:23.18 | AcuraX | E:* |
| 19:23.23 | Gnea | Bogo: looks like a bad mirror |
| 19:23.43 | Bogo | How do i change mirror? |
| 19:23.55 | Gnea | apt-setup |
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| 19:24.51 | Gnea | AcuraX: gnome sucks anyway |
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| 19:25.10 | nse | AcuraX: apt-get install gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-office |
| 19:25.12 | Gnea | AcuraX: you should get a real wm like Enlightenment :) |
| 19:25.24 | AcuraX | I was thinking about it. |
| 19:25.27 | nse | AcuraX: no gnome is just fine |
| 19:25.29 | Bogo | When i run apt-get update |
| 19:25.32 | mentor | Bogo: that's an error in your setup or an error on the mirror. |
| 19:25.39 | Bogo | 72% [Connecting to security.debian.org (194.109.137.218)] |
| 19:25.40 | AcuraX | I can't remember the rvwm or something like that can't remember the name.. |
| 19:25.42 | jaycee_N770 | allefant: there's an option in either inittab or syslog.conf. I forget where :-) |
| 19:25.54 | Gnea | fvwm? |
| 19:25.58 | mentor | Bogo: However, there are no good Free programs to manipulate RAR archives as the spec is closed. (possibly patenets too?) |
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| 19:26.10 | stew | AcuraX: its not uncommon for parts of gnome or kde to be removed during transitions in testing/unstable. try installing the individual packages you are actually interested in instead of trying to install all of gnome; /msg dpkg gnome |
| 19:26.16 | mentor | Bogo: There is a non-free program, but I don't remember that being great either |
| 19:26.17 | stew | AcuraX: err /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 19:26.23 | scoldef | hey how can i get a list of sub-chanels ? |
| 19:26.26 | nse | linus is fatty, he mentioned that gnome is bad |
| 19:26.26 | Gnea | AcuraX: fluxbox is pretty snazzy too, especially if it's a slow box |
| 19:26.33 | TaF | i just thought my question was simple, i dont want to get the unresolved dependencies error when i am trying to install software, so what do i do? what mirrors am i supposed to be using? what the heck do i put in the fields "distribution" and "section" ? |
| 19:26.42 | AcuraX | lol mine isn;'t slow |
| 19:26.43 | AcuraX | ;p |
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| 19:26.51 | mentor | mhall: Output raw PCM and pipe to sound device? |
| 19:26.53 | Gnea | nse: no really, gnome really does suck ass, not just because linus said so |
| 19:26.56 | Bogo | mentor: I just want to unrar my rar-arichve, is'nt there a free program for that? |
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| 19:27.22 | stew | TaF: /msg dpkg bat ; get us the information listed there, use a pastebin /msg dpkg paster |
| 19:27.24 | allefant | jaycee_N770: thanks, found something in syslog.conf.. that already seems to do what it should though.. |
| 19:27.42 | TaF | you are speaking a different language, im serious. |
| 19:27.43 | nse | Gnea: gnome is the most beautiful thing i have ever experienced, this is enough |
| 19:27.48 | TaF | make fun of me all you want |
| 19:27.50 | mentor | Bogo: As above :) |
| 19:27.54 | allefant | the message i get are from iptabes, they look like: -A logdrop -j LOG --log-prefix "[iptables] " --log-level info |
| 19:28.01 | TaF | i have not a freakin clue how to get that information... |
| 19:28.01 | stew | !bat |
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| 19:28.02 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 19:28.04 | stew | TaF: ^^^ |
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| 19:28.08 | Gnea | nse: you, sir, have smoked the most crack. |
| 19:28.12 | mentor | Bogo: It annoys me too. And bzip2 is usually better anyway. |
| 19:28.25 | ryan` | bzip2 is slow though. |
| 19:28.30 | noob_ | flexbackup is getting the best of me. I can archive to tape, but can't restore. |
| 19:28.32 | mentor | Gnea: You, Sir, have not had enough. |
| 19:28.36 | Gnea | nse: but if it works, it works |
| 19:28.41 | Gnea | lol |
| 19:28.47 | jaycee_N770 | allefant: also check the kernal boot params - I think you can specify the console VT there too ... |
| 19:28.54 | stew | TaF: you are typing "apt-get install <something>" right? show us what you are typing and the output you get. put it in a pastebin. also run "apt-cache policy something" and show us that output too |
| 19:29.01 | scoldef | i think openbox is nice |
| 19:29.06 | TaF | no, that is not what is happening |
| 19:29.15 | TaF | oh gosh, i just want to shoot myself |
| 19:29.17 | scoldef | i only have 80Mb and 166MHz |
| 19:29.21 | AcuraX | xfwm ;x |
| 19:29.28 | stew | TaF: ok. the point is that you have to actually tell us exactly what is happening then if you want us to help you. |
| 19:29.30 | TaF | i am using synaptic |
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| 19:29.38 | Bogo | mentor: that sux! I allways download rar-archives... How can there be no good free programs to unrar rar-archives, FUCK |
| 19:29.40 | AcuraX | lol im using 2.4 with 512 XD |
| 19:29.43 | stew | TaF: try using aptitude instead |
| 19:29.45 | TaF | i am trying to upgrade and do things of that sort |
| 19:29.55 | stew | TaF: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:30.18 | noob_ | is there a better app than flexbackup to use on sarge (backups to tape) |
| 19:30.24 | SimonRaven | Bogo: stop downloading warez then you won't have to worry about it |
| 19:30.29 | sepski | noob_, tar |
| 19:30.45 | noob_ | sepski: I can tar to tape? |
| 19:31.00 | sepski | noob_, thats a qotd material that is |
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| 19:31.07 | stew | Bogo: no. there are free unrar programs but they aren't able to unrar many archives, for that you need to use a non-free unrar |
| 19:31.09 | Gnea | Bogo: you should be able to get unrar just fine, just change your mirror to one that's more updated |
| 19:31.21 | jaycee_N770 | noob_, that's what it's /for/ :-) |
| 19:31.25 | TaF | but my problem is, i do not understand how to freakin use it. i think that i know that you must have repositories listed and that repositories are just places you use to fetch software packages, i alos think that you have to list those mirrors (which i have done) but what i dont know is what to put in the fields "distribution" and "section" |
| 19:31.46 | gnufan | noob_: tar -- Tape ARchiving utility |
| 19:31.51 | Gnea | noob_: tar's original purpose of design was to transfer files from a hard medium to a tape medium |
| 19:31.51 | noob_ | jaycee_N770: heheh.. oh gawd i'm ignt. |
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| 19:32.16 | noob_ | can you guys show me the backup/restore basics for using a tar cron, then? |
| 19:32.25 | stew | TaF: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: and Candidate: ? |
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| 19:33.27 | Gnea | noob_: there's actually a very good howto at http://www.tldp.org for that |
| 19:33.29 | TaF | i openly admit to being an idiot, but what i can tell you is that when i used mepis, i never had a problem with synapitic, never an unresolved dependency issue. and i saw somethng called marillat? i want to understand linux, i love debian but i cant get the hang of this no matter how much i read. |
| 19:33.36 | gnufan | noob_: you just tar with the output file set to the device file for the tape drive |
| 19:33.51 | mentor | Bogo: The reason is as above. |
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| 19:33.54 | noob_ | Gnea: I'll check out the howto! thanks, bud! |
| 19:34.08 | Gnea | TaF: reading only gets you so far, you need to actually USE it in order to understand it |
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| 19:34.23 | ariston | i've got a webserver with 200 websites one it, and its sending tons of spam to aol (emails coming from www-data@mydomain). |
| 19:34.26 | Bogo | SimonRaven: that's not the point... |
| 19:34.31 | Gnea | TaF: it may be to your advantage to try different distributions, such as redhat, gentoo and slackware as well |
| 19:34.33 | noob_ | gnufan: this is what I'm learning.. albeit slowly.. some of us don't have the mental adhesion as the rest of u [namely, those who name themselves noob] |
| 19:34.38 | ariston | anyone know of any trick to find out what site its coming from? |
| 19:34.44 | stew | TaF: unless you can answer any of my questions, nobody will be able to help you. |
| 19:34.45 | TaF | and look, i REALLY appreciate all the info you guys give me but it seems as tho i ask the wrong questions..... |
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| 19:34.51 | SimonRaven | Bogo: it's mine :P j/k |
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| 19:35.06 | Gnea | TaF: that gives you a better idea of how linux works in general and you'll get a better appretiation of debian |
| 19:35.14 | Gnea | er, appreciation |
| 19:35.25 | TaF | i have no interest in switching distros again |
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| 19:35.36 | Gnea | what distros have you run? |
| 19:35.42 | gnufan | noob_: don't worry, I came from 10 years of Unix admin experience, this is all horribly familiar, and then suddenly something is different and I'm a newbie again. |
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| 19:36.17 | PopupBlocker | #debian-fr |
| 19:36.33 | allefant | hm, another question.. what could cause my console to not support typing unicode chars (e.g. ö,ä,ü) anymore? (probably the answer is, i just messed something up.. but maybe someone can give me a hint) |
| 19:36.33 | Gnea | yes, it exists |
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| 19:37.05 | SimonRaven | allefant: look ok to me |
| 19:37.22 | allefant | i can type them in any applications, e.g. if i run "python", i can type öäü, but inside bash or whatever it is, i can't |
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| 19:37.46 | TaF | i have read about repositories, still dont understand what the heck im reading.... but i know that the reason im getting errors, and the reason that some software packages that WERE listed in synaptic when i had mepis are NOT in synpatic now that i am using debian.....my suspicion is that i dont have the right repositories listed, but since im clueless when it comes to how they work, i cant solve my own problem, i can only speculate. |
| 19:37.47 | SimonRaven | set your locale, then try |
| 19:38.01 | stew | TaF: do you have me on /ignore? |
| 19:38.13 | allefant | locale is set to en_US.utf8, and it also exists (locales -a) |
| 19:38.17 | TaF | no stew.... |
| 19:38.20 | stew | TaF: ok, just checking |
| 19:38.25 | SimonRaven | might need a echo -e "\x1b%G" in .bash_profile too |
| 19:38.30 | Gnea | TaF: if you'd STFU for a minute, maybe we could help you |
| 19:38.42 | gnufan | allefant: is this bash in a graphical console, or just a console (no X) ? |
| 19:38.43 | TaF | easy gnea |
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| 19:38.55 | Gnea | oh trust me, i'm being nice :) |
| 19:38.58 | TaF | you all keep asking me to be specific, so i am |
| 19:39.00 | allefant | SimonRaven: executing that made it work.. |
| 19:39.04 | allefant | gnufan: both |
| 19:39.09 | TaF | sorry im not an expert as you are |
| 19:39.10 | Gnea | TaF: now, about repositories... |
| 19:39.29 | allefant | SimonRaven: what is this echo -e "\x1b%G"? |
| 19:39.33 | SimonRaven | allefant: ok |
| 19:39.39 | Gnea | TaF: you understand the concept of an irc server and a client, yes? |
| 19:39.43 | SimonRaven | allefant: tells the term to go into utf-8 mode |
| 19:39.47 | TaF | not really |
| 19:39.52 | Gnea | ok |
| 19:39.55 | gnufan | allefant: there are different layers involved -- I have meta key mapped in X, but not in console. |
| 19:39.55 | TaF | i understand server client sorta |
| 19:40.02 | SimonRaven | rather, multibyte, IIRC |
| 19:40.14 | SimonRaven | don't /msg me unless you have a good reason to do so |
| 19:40.28 | PopupBlocker | hi |
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| 19:40.57 | jmartens | TaF: Do you understand the concept of a package? |
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| 19:41.09 | Gnea | TaF: okay, basically the program you're typing in to talk to us all right now is what is referred to as an "irc client", that is, it connects to an "irc server" where the rest of us who all have irc clients are connected to |
| 19:41.11 | nethenson | hello |
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| 19:41.20 | stew | oh boy |
| 19:41.54 | TaF | i understand that server clients are like real life restuarant servers and clientelle |
| 19:41.56 | PopupBlocker | when i run ldconfig in verbose mod, some librararies have "Too many symbolic link". is anyone know how to solve that please ? |
| 19:42.11 | SimonRaven | !tell TaF -about rutebook |
| 19:42.12 | SlyChocobo | Why not just sum it up "Magic!" |
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| 19:42.19 | TaF | i somewhat understand packages jmartens |
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| 19:42.50 | stew | Gnea: you are going to start with the definition of a client and server, and eventually get to the point where you solve his dependency problems? sounds like maybe a bit of a roundabout approach |
| 19:42.55 | Gnea | TaF: the same sort of concept works with repositories - they get defined in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update connects to those sites to 'update' the current list of available programs - when you run apt-get install, it reads from that saved list on your computer to the remote site to fetch the requested package - it downloads it, sets it up and installs it. make sense? |
| 19:42.55 | jmartens | TaF: A repository is just a collection of packages stored on a server on the internet |
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| 19:43.03 | poler | must go NOW 2 sony vaio laptops price 450 each includes shipping case wireless router. message me on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com |
| 19:43.23 | TaF | ok, i understand that much |
| 19:43.29 | Gnea | TaF: apt-get is the client, and the respositories are the remove servers |
| 19:43.40 | Gnea | s/remove/remote/g |
| 19:43.55 | jmartens | TaF: Yup. You have to "point" your system at the repositories that you want |
| 19:43.58 | Gnea | !tell TaF about newbie-guide |
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| 19:44.15 | TaF | the ONLY reason i know how to use the terminal window is because im brave, and i pick up on stuff quickly, but i have been using linux for like a week..... |
| 19:44.16 | Gnea | TaF: please read up on those while you're at it, there's a lot of good info there |
| 19:44.19 | jmartens | TaF: Which is done in debian in the /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 19:44.21 | Gnea | !tell taf about newbiedoc |
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| 19:44.26 | tknits_kitsahcot | hello. i accidentally installed debian choosing a wrong mouse-model... now i can start icewm and control it using the keys, but the mouse is "jumping" around, if i try to use it. how can i change that afterwards? and... erm... how can i get my mousewheel work? |
| 19:44.39 | Gnea | TaF: you may understand things a bit better that way |
| 19:45.03 | nethenson | tknits_kitsahcot: you choose your mouse during instalation? |
| 19:45.24 | tknits_kitsahcot | nethenson: yes. i did. but it was the wrong one, i accidentally chose. |
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| 19:45.32 | Eclipser | so uh |
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| 19:45.36 | Gnea | TaF: ok well getting over that hurdle, you're going to need to learn a lot of linux basics in order to get anywhere, and that includes learning how the shell works |
| 19:45.55 | Eclipser | how do I set module parameters so that they'll be used when module is load on boot? |
| 19:45.56 | kspath | !tell TaF about grounding |
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| 19:46.19 | nethenson | tknits_kitsahcot: go to a console (like control+alt+f1) and as root, type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:46.28 | Gnea | so yeah, time for sleep |
| 19:46.29 | Gnea | laters |
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| 19:46.32 | jmartens | Eclipser: Are you using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:46.35 | Eclipser | 2.6 |
| 19:46.44 | i3dmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.51 | nethenson | see you, Gnea |
| 19:46.58 | stew | i3dmaster: update-alternatives --config java |
| 19:47.04 | streuner | i3dmaster: just install a different one? |
| 19:47.05 | tknits_kitsahcot | nethelson: thanks. i will try. |
| 19:47.14 | Eclipser | meh, stupid etch |
| 19:47.15 | poler | must go NOW 2 sony vaio laptops price 450 each includes shipping case wireless router. message me on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com |
| 19:47.24 | i3dmaster | stew, ok will try |
| 19:47.25 | stew | i3dmaster: actually, i'm sorry, update-alternatives --config firefox-javaplugin.so |
| 19:47.27 | GoCooL | when i try to boot into my new kernel on Debain Sarge, i get "pivot_root no such file or directory cannot open dev/console no such file", any hints as to what could be wrong? |
| 19:47.39 | i3dmaster | stew, ok |
| 19:47.45 | nethenson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.52 | SimonRaven | poler: excuse my language, but fuck off |
| 19:47.53 | jmartens | Eclipser You have to use the options option in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 19:47.53 | kspath | poler: please to not spam the channel |
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| 19:48.03 | SimonRaven | !ops poler spamming |
| 19:48.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: poler spamming |
| 19:48.16 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 19:48.17 | SonnyBurnett | Hi I'm installing Woody, it is asking me for the driver of my NIC card, I have a 3com 3c900-TPO, the driver is 3c59x and its avaible in the drivers, when I pick it and try to load in the kernel it fails? why? |
| 19:48.35 | stew | SonnyBurnett: is there a good reason why you are install woody and not sarge? |
| 19:48.45 | grumbel | does anybody know a wget/curl like tool that can handle the "Content-Disposition" header, ie. extract the filename from the HTTP response instead of the url? |
| 19:49.09 | kspath | grumbel: Does pavuk have that? |
| 19:49.18 | dondelelcaro | grumbel: that unfortunatly is so insecure that almost no one does it |
| 19:49.23 | jmartens | Eclipser: Something like "modulename option duplex=full" |
| 19:49.30 | nse | what tools does linux offer, to manage 5,000 {workstations, user accounts, email accounts, etc} as a single flock? |
| 19:49.41 | jmartens | Eclipser: Can't remember the syntax |
| 19:49.45 | Eclipser | jmartens, I'll try it after I figured out the proper parameters for this freaking module |
| 19:49.46 | teledyn_ | anyone know what the throughput difference is on a notebook computer with ATA-100 5400rpm vs. SATA 5400rpm ? |
| 19:49.53 | GoCooL | any hints on how to debug this erroe message "pivot_root no such file or directory cannot open dev/console no such file"? |
| 19:49.55 | Eclipser | it worked fine on sarge kernel :( |
| 19:49.56 | kspath | grumbel: Try doing it in perl or python. |
| 19:50.02 | jmartens | Eclipser modinfo may help too |
| 19:50.14 | Eclipser | now it can't find the right tuner for my tv card |
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| 19:50.18 | stew | teledyn_: probably nothing. if they have the same platter speed you should get the same throughput |
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| 19:50.19 | grumbel | dondelelcaro: what is insecure about that? filtering out ".." should make it be perfectly save |
| 19:50.23 | SonnyBurnett | stew; I'm, tryied to install sarge in the P1 133Mhz with 32Mb of RAM and the installer crashed... so I'm trying to install woody to upgrade to sarge afterwards |
| 19:50.27 | nethenson | nse: from my lack of knowledge, i would say ldap / nis+ |
| 19:50.40 | SimonRaven | eew nis* |
| 19:50.42 | jmartens | Eclipser: For instance, with boding I do something like this: "options bonding mode=4 miimon=100 max_bonds=2" |
| 19:50.44 | doubletwist | Ok mdadm is driving me nuts all of a sudden... |
| 19:50.48 | dondelelcaro | grumbel: because it enables the web site to control exactly which files are written to; you can't guess what will be overwritten when you run the command. |
| 19:51.06 | nse | nethenson: how hard is it, to change *every single application* running on 5000 computers using ldap / nis+? |
| 19:51.08 | dondelelcaro | grumbel: the only safe way is to prompt the user to save the document with the suggested name, and allow them to override it. |
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| 19:51.11 | doubletwist | if I use the command: mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=5 --raid-devices=5 /dev/hda3 /dev/hde1 /dev/hdf1 /dev/hdg1 /dev/hdh1 |
| 19:51.31 | doubletwist | That should work right? |
| 19:51.33 | stew | SonnyBurnett: did you try both the 2.4 and 2.6 sarge install kernels? what about the 2.2 and 2.4 woddy install kerenels? |
| 19:51.59 | dondelelcaro | nse: if you're running that many computers, you should be running something like cron-apt against a central repository with automatic reporting of upgrades and failures; or even better, a set of centralized replicated nfs servers that have all of the applications. |
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| 19:52.05 | niab | hi |
| 19:52.10 | nethenson | hello niab |
| 19:52.13 | niab | i got problems with pppoe |
| 19:52.20 | niab | [root@diszknet ~] plog |
| 19:52.20 | niab | Apr 28 20:55:08 diszknet pppd[1701]: Couldn't increase MTU to 1500 |
| 19:52.20 | niab | Apr 28 20:55:08 diszknet pppd[1701]: Couldn't increase MRU to 1500 |
| 19:52.20 | niab | Apr 28 20:55:10 diszknet pppd[1701]: Couldn't increase MRU to 1500 |
| 19:52.20 | niab | Apr 28 20:55:10 diszknet pppd[1701]: PAP authentication succeeded |
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| 19:52.31 | PopupBlocker | when i run ldconfig in verbose mod, some librararies have "Too many symbolic link". is anyone know how to solve that please ? |
| 19:52.44 | grumbel | dondelelcaro: that really isn't a good reason to not implement that feature, simply restrict downloads to only write files below the current dir and not above it and there wouldn't be any risk, or simply try to create a new directory if you want to be absolutly 100% save |
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| 19:53.14 | SonnyBurnett | stew, I tried the Sarge 3.1r1.. do youy think the 3.1 can run? |
| 19:53.22 | nse | dondelelcaro: thanks! i am searching for arguments against a windows guy |
| 19:53.29 | dondelelcaro | grumbel: even that wouldn't be enough; regardless, you can do it if you want fairly trivially by using the --save-headers option of wget, and then walking the saved headers, and renewing the files in question |
| 19:53.41 | jmartens | PopupBlocker: The error means pretty much exactly what it says. Look at the libraries it's complaining about, and the path to the library and make sure there are not a lot of symbolic links in the path. |
| 19:54.04 | dondelelcaro | nse: oh. There's no argument. Give him 10 machines running windows 2000. Give yourself 10 machines running woody. See who can upgrade to XP or sarge on them faster. |
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| 19:54.11 | grumbel | dondelelcaro: yes, thats what I am planing todo at the moment (getting such a quick sed/perl hack secure is however another issue...) |
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| 19:54.18 | niab | um i dunno what happened |
| 19:54.28 | dondelelcaro | niab: you pasted, you were removed. See /topic |
| 19:54.35 | dondelelcaro | grumbel: it pretty much won't be secure, unfortunatly. |
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| 19:56.01 | PopupBlocker | jmartens: well, when i try to "read" the library with ls, it says the same error "Too many simbolics links" so i cant know were the libs are really :( |
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| 19:56.31 | jmartens | PopupBlocker: Then start at the top of the path and figure out where the linking starts. |
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| 19:56.41 | niab | i try dont flood |
| 19:56.51 | niab | Apr 28 20:55:08 diszknet pppd[1701]: Couldn't increase MTU to 1500 |
| 19:56.52 | phycho | hey guys, where abouts is debian getting modules to load at bootup? |
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| 19:56.54 | dondelelcaro | niab: don't paste. Use a paste site. See /topic |
| 19:57.00 | niab | Apr 28 20:55:08 diszknet pppd[1701]: Couldn't increase MRU to 1500 |
| 19:57.03 | phycho | my madwifi (ath_pci) is loading and im not sure where from |
| 19:57.05 | niab | Apr 28 20:55:10 diszknet pppd[1701]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP |
| 19:57.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 19:57.21 | jmartens | PopupBlocker: a "which libraryname" should tell you where it *thinks* it is. Start with "ls -d /" and keep going until you find a directory that's linked. |
| 19:57.22 | niab | man |
| 19:57.22 | Stevie-O | Which manual page do you want? |
| 19:57.28 | niab | it was only 3 lines |
| 19:57.37 | niab | nobody reads #flood |
| 19:57.46 | dondelelcaro | niab: I've said it three times; if you do that again, you'll be banned. |
| 19:58.00 | niab | ive read topic |
| 19:58.07 | niab | but nobody is in #flood |
| 19:58.11 | niab | i cant tlel my problem |
| 19:58.16 | niab | if i dont copy the error |
| 19:58.17 | LoRez | niab: you haven't bothered to read the removal message you're getting from debhelper. |
| 19:58.21 | dondelelcaro | niab: so what's the problem? you've got an ip, you're connected, the MTU is a red hering. |
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| 19:58.41 | PopupBlocker | jmartens: thx ill try |
| 19:58.50 | fas3r | i have edit file with vi .. it's possible i record it with an other name ? |
| 19:58.58 | niab | the problem is that pppoe doesnt connect to internet |
| 19:59.02 | evaded | niab: You can paste it on pastebin for example |
| 19:59.08 | niab | i can ping nothing |
| 19:59.19 | Eclipser | grr |
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| 19:59.38 | prp | hello, what where the pkgs needed for alsa to work ? |
| 19:59.49 | dondelelcaro | niab: can you ping your DNS server? What does route -n; say? can you dig debian.org @195.38.97.1; ? |
| 19:59.57 | GoCooL | any hints on how to debug this error message "pivot_root no such file or directory cannot open dev/console no such file"? |
| 19:59.58 | streuner | prp: cat /proc/version |
| 20:00.02 | grumbel | kspath: no, pavuk doesn't seem to support that either, or at least I couldn't find it by a quick search through the man-page, so back to perl/python/ruby |
| 20:00.06 | kspath | !tell niab about paste |
| 20:00.12 | evaded | niab: On pastebin.ca you can paste there from the command line i have heard |
| 20:00.22 | prp | strankan: Linux version 2.6.14-2-k7 (Debian 2.6.14-5) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051111 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-4)) #2 Fri Dec 9 10:30:30 UTC 2005 |
| 20:00.25 | niab | ok |
| 20:00.40 | streuner | prp: run 'alsaconf' as root (alsa-utils) |
| 20:00.44 | nethenson | evaded: pasting from command line? sounds great! |
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| 20:00.51 | prp | strankan: alsa-utils i was searching thanx |
| 20:00.52 | SonnyBurnett | stew, it just crashes :( |
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| 20:01.15 | evaded | nethenson: I have not use the right words or say it good :-/ |
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| 20:01.30 | prp | strankan: shoudl i have anything else except alsa-utils ? |
| 20:01.43 | niab | dondelelcaro i cant ping the gateway |
| 20:01.44 | jmartens | prp: alsa-base is a good bet too. |
| 20:01.46 | yggdrasil | where did etch move /etc/modules too ? |
| 20:01.48 | niab | i cant see that the dns |
| 20:01.56 | streuner | prp: no, but make sure you haven't any OSS modules loaded |
| 20:02.08 | dondelelcaro | niab: answer the questions in order... |
| 20:02.09 | niab | coz i had to bring the modem to another pc |
| 20:02.17 | evaded | niab: 'route' and 'resolv.conf' are good ? |
| 20:02.43 | nethenson | evaded: maybe i missunderstand it. English is not my native-language.. anyhow pasting from commandline would be a really great feature :) |
| 20:02.45 | niab | yup |
| 20:03.01 | niab | i dont know that route is good or not |
| 20:03.05 | niab | i only ran pppoeconf |
| 20:03.47 | evaded | nethenson: Idem case here. And Yes, i find it also nice ;-) i looking for 'howto'. Because i have heard, but i have not check it and im not sur it's been on that site. |
| 20:03.47 | SimonRaven | nethenson: it's called gpm |
| 20:03.52 | Eclipser | GRR |
| 20:03.58 | niab | but it writes good dns ips in the plog |
| 20:03.59 | Eclipser | "Pinnacle PCTV Stereo broken in 2.6.15" |
| 20:04.01 | SonnyBurnett | How much swap is good for a P1 with 32M of RAM? |
| 20:04.01 | niab | so it should be good |
| 20:04.02 | Eclipser | GRR GRR |
| 20:04.35 | prp | strankan: /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... errr why is this ? |
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| 20:05.13 | streuner | prp: streuner! |
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| 20:05.25 | nethenson | SonnyBurnett: they usually say that it is 2*RAM, so 64M. You can always add ram later |
| 20:05.26 | prp | auch, soorry |
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| 20:05.33 | niab | so |
| 20:05.35 | streuner | prp: :-), is the soundcard supported of ALSA ? |
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| 20:05.36 | niab | its the full text |
| 20:05.37 | niab | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2449 |
| 20:05.37 | phrontist | I'm trying to get jackd working under debian sarge |
| 20:05.38 | yggdrasil | where did etch move /etc/modules too ? |
| 20:05.40 | nethenson | *add swap latter, SonnyBurnett |
| 20:05.55 | yggdrasil | phrontist i think it works |
| 20:05.58 | yggdrasil | join #ardour |
| 20:06.01 | prp | strankan: yes i had alsa working.. reinstalled the system some time and now is not working |
| 20:06.17 | phrontist | sound works, I can play songs through XMMS, but jackd can't connect to the alsa server |
| 20:06.23 | phrontist | does debian use OSS by default? |
| 20:06.28 | yggdrasil | no |
| 20:06.31 | dondelelcaro | phrontist: depends on the kernel |
| 20:06.31 | yggdrasil | dont think so |
| 20:06.38 | phrontist | I'm running stable |
| 20:06.42 | phrontist | as of yesterday |
| 20:06.47 | prp | streuner: damn tab.. sorry :(( |
| 20:06.54 | streuner | ah :-) |
| 20:06.58 | yggdrasil | phrontist you have jackctl installed ? |
| 20:07.02 | phrontist | yes |
| 20:07.04 | streuner | !congratulate prp |
| 20:07.04 | dpkg | Huzzah prp, you did it! |
| 20:07.09 | jmartens | yggdrasil: try man update-modules |
| 20:07.14 | phrontist | I presume you mean qjackctl |
| 20:07.18 | yggdrasil | kk |
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| 20:07.35 | jmartens | yggdrasil: Should get you started. |
| 20:07.56 | prp | streuner: i selected the card in alsaconf.. |
| 20:07.57 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 20:08.18 | niab | dondelelcaro: please check my paste. it writes something about determine ethernet address for proxy ARP , or is it a red hering too? |
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| 20:08.58 | dondelelcaro | niab: it's given you a local and a remote address for the pppoe connection, that it couldn't find an ethernet address isn't a big deal. |
| 20:09.24 | dondelelcaro | niab: what's more likely is that you don't have the routes set up properly, or you've got an invalid route that is causing packets that should go to ppp0 to go somewhere else. |
| 20:09.59 | niab | so the problem is around the dns or the gateway? |
| 20:10.16 | dondelelcaro | niab: who knows? until you give us the route -n; output, we can't tell. |
| 20:10.16 | streuner | gateway? |
| 20:10.25 | niab | okay |
| 20:10.30 | niab | then brb for a min |
| 20:10.35 | niab | i have to disconnect this pc |
| 20:10.43 | streuner | why do you need pppoeconf if you run that box behind a gateway? |
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| 20:10.59 | phrontist | so if I installed debian stable yesterday, is ALSA or OSS being used? |
| 20:11.17 | niab | streuner: the modem goes to the linux pc that would share it to the windows pc s |
| 20:11.17 | streuner | phrontist: somebody told you already, scroll up |
| 20:11.31 | munzir | Hi, I sudo rm /etc/init.d/mldonkey-server manually, then I did apt-get remove mldonkey-server. Now |
| 20:11.32 | munzir | $ dpkg -L mldonkey-server |
| 20:11.32 | munzir | /etc/init.d/mldonkey-server. How can I get rid of this file |
| 20:11.45 | niab | but now i had to connect it to the windows pc coz there are no problems with connect in |
| 20:11.45 | evaded | Is that been the (perl)code to paste from the command line? http://cvs.schmorp.de/browse/rxvt-unicode/src/perl/selection-pastebin?rev=1.16 I not know many about Perl :-/ |
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| 20:12.03 | prp | streuner: any tips about my alsa problem ? |
| 20:12.09 | jmartens | munzir: sudo dpgk --purge mldonkey-server |
| 20:12.27 | streuner | prp: well, you said you did run alsaconf... |
| 20:12.28 | jmartens | munzir: Sorry, sudo dpkg --purge |
| 20:12.35 | nse | hello guys. i am having many troubles with my hda2 partition that i reserved to /home. a regular entry in /etc/fsatb is not mounting the device properly, itr gets mounted but any cd into /home gives input/output errors. after boot if i umount and then mount it again with mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /home everything works just fine. smartctl extended test completes without errors. what could be causing this, what to do to go round this problem |
| 20:12.39 | streuner | prp: what alsa problem do you have? ;-) |
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| 20:12.42 | dondelelcaro | evaded: yes, it's around |
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| 20:13.09 | evaded | dondelelcaro: yes, yes, yes, yoepie ;-) |
| 20:13.09 | jmartens | nse: Did you run fsck on /home? |
| 20:13.18 | jmartens | nse: Or /dev/hda2? |
| 20:13.34 | PopupBlocker | thx a lot for the person who help me :) (i dont remeber the name hihihi :op ) |
| 20:13.47 | phrontist | no, they said "depends on the kernel" |
| 20:13.57 | nse | jmartens: yes i did, smartctl is a better program to do this i guess, but anyway i did |
| 20:14.04 | streuner | phrontist: right |
| 20:14.05 | prp | streuner: sound card isn't detected |
| 20:14.11 | munzir | jmartens: thx a lot that did it. Previously I tried sudo apt-get --purge remove mldonkey-server and it told me the package not installed. When shall I use dpkg and when shall I use apt-get is not clear to me |
| 20:14.14 | PopupBlocker | oh yeah thx jmartens :) |
| 20:14.22 | streuner | prp: did you control the soundcard? |
| 20:14.25 | phrontist | which I tried to answer by saying I was using whichever kernel comes with stable as of yesterday |
| 20:14.49 | jmartens | munzir: dpkg is only for local operations, if you need to get a package from a repository, you have to use apt-get. |
| 20:14.52 | streuner | prp: is the soundcard correctly in the mobo? |
| 20:14.57 | jmartens | PopupBlocker: np |
| 20:15.14 | jmartens | nse: I don't think that smartctl can check the filesystem, just the drive itself. |
| 20:15.19 | munzir | jmartens: yes but for package removal, which one use where? |
| 20:15.23 | streuner | prp: did you disable onboard-soundcard if available in BIOS? |
| 20:15.23 | prp | streuner: yes i can use it in gxine... i can see it in lspci |
| 20:15.34 | jmartens | nse: What is the line in your /etc/fstab for /home? |
| 20:16.05 | jmartens | munzir: apt-get uses dpkg in the background. In general, use apt-get because it has better dependency analysis. |
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| 20:16.13 | nse | jmartens: /dev/hda2 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 20:16.14 | jmartens | munzir: apt-get --purge should have worked too... |
| 20:16.33 | streuner | prp: so alsaconf should find the soundcard then |
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| 20:17.04 | nse | jmartens: i have tried several differente options to it like rw, defaults |
| 20:17.06 | munzir | jmartens: no it didn't it gave me Package mldonkey-server is not installed, so not removed |
| 20:17.23 | prp | streuner: it find's it in the dialog but at the end i get /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found.. |
| 20:17.32 | evaded | dondelelcaro: I need to do the same thing but in Python, so i understand it :-) |
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| 20:17.36 | jmartens | munzir: Not sure about that one. It *should* have worked... |
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| 20:18.01 | munzir | jmartens: may be the way i did it is wrong. I did: $ sudo apt-get --purge remove mldonkey-server |
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| 20:18.18 | munzir | jmartens: should remove be before purge? |
| 20:18.19 | streuner | prp: how can you use sound in gxine at all? |
| 20:18.45 | prp | streuner: dunno.. maybe it uses oss ?! kde has sound also |
| 20:19.00 | jmartens | nse: Hmmm, I'm not sure. i/o errors usually mean a bad disk or corrupt filesystem. |
| 20:19.12 | streuner | prp: ok, make sure no OSS sound modules are loaded, and just disable ARTS |
| 20:19.23 | jmartens | munzir: remove removes the packages, but leaves the configuration files around. Purge removes everything. |
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| 20:19.39 | jmartens | munzir: order isn't important. |
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| 20:20.09 | munzir | jmartens: I thought I can't use purge alone and I need to use remove with it, no? |
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| 20:20.37 | streuner | prp: if that doesn't help, show us the output of 'lsmod' and /var/log/dmesg.log in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 20:20.49 | nse | jmartens: but smartctl and e2fsck are not confirming this to the disk. and my hand mount works... this is really odd |
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| 20:20.56 | jmartens | munzir: Well, when you're using apt-get, the apt-get option is remove, then you can add --purge to purge files too. |
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| 20:21.00 | GoAuLd | streuner: arts isnt needed for programs to have sound? |
| 20:21.23 | nse | jmartens: i recently moved my whole system from my old disk to this new one. maybe data got lost in the between or something? |
| 20:21.26 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:21.35 | nethenson | hello hjubal |
| 20:21.36 | streuner | GoAuLd: /msg dpkg arts |
| 20:21.41 | jmartens | nse: How did you move it? |
| 20:21.42 | hjubal | :) |
| 20:21.42 | GoAuLd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:21.44 | munzir | jmartens: any way it's solved now and I am happy. thx a lot |
| 20:21.50 | niab | thanks dudes |
| 20:21.52 | niab | it works |
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| 20:21.56 | niab | the problem was with resolv.conf |
| 20:22.03 | niab | i dunno why i didnt check it |
| 20:22.05 | niab | sorry |
| 20:22.13 | nse | jmartens: with cp -ax / /new-disk and then changing /etc/fstab and grub |
| 20:22.19 | niab | but anyway |
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| 20:22.21 | niab | thanks |
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| 20:22.40 | niab | bb |
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| 20:22.49 | streuner | GoAuLd: no, ARTS is the counterpart of GNOME's ESD, you can hear when switching in your browser or quit events in some programs odd noises ;-) |
| 20:22.57 | jmartens | nse: Sorry, I'm out of ideas. |
| 20:23.18 | GoAuLd | oh |
| 20:23.26 | nse | can anyone else help me? i am really lost. |
| 20:23.26 | GoAuLd | ill remove it then |
| 20:23.32 | meneg | do "unstable main contrib non-free" lines in sources now need the non-free part we can do without? (unstable at least) |
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| 20:24.13 | nse | jmartens: in which part of the boot /etc/fstan is read and then devices are mounted? maybe this utility is broken.. |
| 20:24.19 | GoAuLd | nse why you think "maybe data got lost" ? |
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| 20:24.37 | stew | meneg: you only need main, unless you want to use non-free software |
| 20:25.00 | nse | GoAuLd: i don't know because my system was something like 34 GB |
| 20:26.34 | GoAuLd | nde |
| 20:26.38 | GoAuLd | edit /etc/fstab |
| 20:26.44 | GoAuLd | specify ext3 |
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| 20:26.55 | GoAuLd | after hda2 |
| 20:26.57 | jmartens | GoAuLd: He did that already... |
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| 20:29.19 | meneg | stew: i want to use all available software |
| 20:29.30 | kurumin | oi |
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| 20:29.35 | meneg | (why would someone lock off part of the list anyway) |
| 20:29.48 | GoAuLd | nse and everything works fine when you remount it ? |
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| 20:30.00 | iter | because you are a sandals-and-ponytail free software nazi? |
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| 20:30.10 | jmartens | meneg: Because some people care about the freedom of the software that they use. |
| 20:30.14 | stew | meneg: then i guess you want to leave those there. there are obvious reasons why people would not want to use or support non-free software |
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| 20:30.19 | Hourme | how can i mount a winblows shared folder? |
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| 20:30.34 | jmartens | Hourme: Via smb? |
| 20:30.40 | nse | GoAuLd: yes when i remount it everything works fine. ctrl + alt + 2 at gdm login as root and remount |
| 20:30.46 | meneg | jmartens: I thought "non-free" was referring to cryptography and stuff, my bad |
| 20:30.58 | meneg | ok |
| 20:31.01 | jmartens | meneg: Nope, that's about "free as in freedom" |
| 20:31.03 | valdyn | Hourme: mount -t cifs //server/share /path/to/mountpoint |
| 20:31.12 | meneg | ye, i lost it for a moment |
| 20:31.16 | Hourme | valdyn, thx |
| 20:31.51 | stew | meneg: you are thinking about non-us, which no longer exists. the crypto stuff is now in main |
| 20:31.54 | nse | which part of the system handle /etc/fstab in order to mount the specified devices during boot? |
| 20:32.00 | meneg | stew: ye |
| 20:32.04 | valdyn | Hourme: read the manpage too and if you using non-asci shares you wnat to use -o codepage=whatever too |
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| 20:32.16 | valdyn | Hourme: read the manpage too and if you using non-asci characters on your shares you wnat to use -o codepage=whatever too |
| 20:32.21 | meneg | so, main contrib and non-free still apply |
| 20:32.27 | stew | yes |
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| 20:32.34 | meneg | and only non-free is removed |
| 20:32.38 | Hourme | valdyn CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
| 20:32.41 | meneg | no other categories right? |
| 20:32.44 | stew | meneg: non-us |
| 20:32.48 | meneg | ye, non-us |
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| 20:33.38 | meneg | wouldn't be nice to have a symlink "all"? :P |
| 20:33.47 | jmartens | Hourme: You can try smbfs too, apt-get install smbfs then mount -t smbfs //server/share /path |
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| 20:34.16 | jmartens | Hourme: Make sure you check the options to specify valid credentials when mounting. |
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| 20:34.33 | ryan` | does anyone else think it's dumb that the kernel doesn't know how much memory is really free? |
| 20:34.36 | nse | jmartens, GoAuLd: this is my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/687657 |
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| 20:35.09 | valdyn | Hourme: -o username=foo,password=bar |
| 20:35.18 | GoAuLd | ok |
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| 20:35.27 | ryan` | malloc returns ok when there is not enough memory unless you prevent overcommits. |
| 20:35.39 | ryan` | but preventing overcommits is too aggressive... |
| 20:35.43 | ryan` | :/ |
| 20:35.47 | ryan` | very dumb. |
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| 20:35.58 | nse | jmartens, GoAuLd: maybe this part is important: "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00008024" |
| 20:36.08 | valdyn | ryan`: why do you think it doesnt show what is really free? |
| 20:36.10 | jmartens | nse: It looks like there is definately something wrong with either your filesystem or your disk. |
| 20:36.18 | cyzie | i have installed etch on a sata drive where it connected to a hardware raid controller onboard. now, i have bought a similar hdd, can i just mirror the hdd in the onboard hardware or do i need attention on the OS side as well? please advice |
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| 20:36.40 | valdyn | ryan`: and why would 'really free' matter at all? |
| 20:37.05 | valdyn | ryan`: that value is normally close to zero anyway |
| 20:37.08 | ryan` | valdyn: well, free doesn't give correct results. will not dound /dev/shm memory against the -buffer/cache results. |
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| 20:37.18 | jmartens | cyzie: It depends. |
| 20:37.33 | ryan` | if i want to know if some amount of memory is available without trying to use it? |
| 20:37.45 | valdyn | ryan`: then you use 'free' |
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| 20:37.47 | cyzie | jmartens, depends..this sounds BROAD. :D any narrow down to the problem? |
| 20:37.51 | jmartens | cyzie: If you are actually accessing the disk through the controller, and not as just a regular sata disk, then you should be able to add another drive if your controller supports that. |
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| 20:38.15 | jmartens | cyzie: Otherwise, you will have to do stuff in the OS. |
| 20:38.20 | cyzie | jmartens, great info! how do i verify that? |
| 20:38.21 | ryan` | free lies. |
| 20:39.01 | valdyn | ryan`: no |
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| 20:39.04 | jmartens | cyzie: Do some google searches for your sata controller. Frankly, I would be surprised if it worked, because support for those is spotty. |
| 20:39.31 | ryan` | valdyn: free does not tell you how much memory is available to be used. |
| 20:39.31 | cyzie | jmartens, dont understand your last sentence. can u elaboratE? |
| 20:39.42 | nse | !u |
| 20:39.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:39.42 | valdyn | ryan`: sure it does |
| 20:39.52 | Ronin | cyzie: sata is still hit and miss when it comes to working is what he meant |
| 20:40.08 | jmartens | cyzie: Search google for stuff related to your controller, because every one is different. |
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| 20:40.30 | jmartens | cyzie: But most sata raid adapters have only limited support in linux |
| 20:40.32 | cyzie | Ronin, jmartens thanks for the advice |
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| 20:41.54 | valdyn | ryan`: -/+ buffers/cache: 853316 689780 <- free for apps to use |
| 20:42.27 | ryan` | valdyn: create a tmpfs mount and fill it. |
| 20:42.49 | ryan` | notice how that line does not reflech the tmpfs ram usage. |
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| 20:45.04 | nse | did anybody knows which tool handle /etc/fstab to mount the specified devices during the boot process? |
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| 20:45.56 | mith | God I hate mod_perl |
| 20:46.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:46.34 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:47.08 | GoAuLd | nse: pastebin hdparm /dev/hda + hdparm -i /dev/hda please |
| 20:47.39 | mith | So, after finding out the mod_perl2 in stable is ancient and wont work with some software I'm installing, I purged the packages and have installed it from source .... anyone have any idea why apache would be saying 'Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC' when Apache2.pm is quite plainly in /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.4/Bundle and /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.4 is listed in @INC/ |
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| 20:48.10 | valdyn | ryan`: this is what swap does? |
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| 20:48.43 | streuner | mith: well, you missing a Perl module |
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| 20:48.51 | valdyn | ryan`: and yes, swap + free ram was reduced by the size of the contents of my tmpfs |
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| 20:49.18 | nse | GoAuLd: here http://pastebin.com/687689 |
| 20:49.29 | CheeseBal | Hey, where can I find libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1? |
| 20:49.44 | mith | streuner: what perl module is that? Apache2.pm is part of mod_perl2 which is most definately installed. |
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| 20:49.51 | streuner | CheeseBal: why do you need that? |
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| 20:50.03 | CheeseBal | Coldfusion verity services |
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| 20:50.18 | streuner | mith: didn't you say you installed some other app? |
| 20:50.36 | maxy | python2.3 is still the default in testing - how do I change that? |
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| 20:51.21 | keyes | hello |
| 20:51.24 | streuner | and that isn't in debian? |
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| 20:51.38 | keyes | In which package can I found the pkg_ressources python module ? |
| 20:51.40 | mith | streuner: no? |
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| 20:52.21 | streuner | mith: read the README of the source |
| 20:52.21 | GoAuLd | nse: that seems correct, i only can think about some error with kernel, in your case i would reinstall libc6 + kernel just in case |
| 20:52.46 | mith | streuner: the source of what? |
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| 20:54.08 | streuner | of the program you compiled yourself? |
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| 20:56.14 | nse | GoAuLd: apt-get --reinstall install libc6 linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 will do it? |
| 20:56.31 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 20:56.45 | nse | okay |
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| 20:57.07 | Gavrila | [OT] anyone here using matlab on unix platform? |
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| 20:59.33 | valdyn | ryan`: ah i found your effect probably, tmpfs contents stay in 'cache' |
| 20:59.42 | ryan` | valdyn, yup. |
| 20:59.48 | ryan` | that's my problem. |
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| 21:00.14 | valdyn | ryan`: and not even sync does change that |
| 21:00.15 | wilfredor | Hi channel |
| 21:00.24 | wilfredor | I need read a usb-serial port |
| 21:00.24 | ryan` | valdyn, yes, exactly. |
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| 21:00.38 | wilfredor | Wich is the command for read usb-serial port? |
| 21:00.39 | wilfredor | someone? |
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| 21:01.08 | Blurr | Where can I fing the libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 package? |
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| 21:01.19 | wilfredor | y tryed cat /dev/ttyUSB* =------ nothing |
| 21:01.22 | tarzeau | pity 2.4 kernels don't work with sid anymore |
| 21:01.27 | jmartens | Blurr:did you try apt-get search? |
| 21:01.32 | Slyboots | Hey again |
| 21:01.42 | Slyboots | Back again, wtih more TV Woes ;) |
| 21:01.48 | Blurr | dont you mean apt-cache search? |
| 21:01.52 | wilfredor | Please someone? |
| 21:01.54 | valdyn | ryan`: no big deal as long as your swap is big enough |
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| 21:02.01 | wilfredor | I need read a usb-serial |
| 21:02.03 | ryan` | valdyn, I have no swap. |
| 21:02.14 | ryan` | valdyn, no hard drive. |
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| 21:02.23 | valdyn | ryan`: i see |
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| 21:02.26 | ryan` | swap on flash is bad for the flash. |
| 21:02.58 | wilfredor | thanks for nothing |
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| 21:03.13 | Ronin | patience wilfredor your not the only one in |
| 21:03.20 | Blurr | jmartens: Yes |
| 21:03.21 | ryan` | trying to set up a WDT to reboot ky system if it's running out of memory, but the fact the tmpfs is counted as 'cache' makes this very hard. |
| 21:03.24 | valdyn | wilfredor: payment first |
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| 21:03.33 | Om3n | Could somone help me trouble shoot my connection please? I have 2 cards currently installed on a current testing.. it was working fine before but i had it down for a couple weeks now it will not grab an ip address from the dhcp |
| 21:03.35 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 21:03.55 | wilfredor | Ronin, valdyn , ok |
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| 21:04.01 | jmartens | Blurr: Search packages.debian.org/ |
| 21:04.09 | ryan` | I've written a tiny c program that mallocs then memsets to check it, then it has to check for OOM messages in dmesg. |
| 21:04.13 | Blurr | jmartens: already have |
| 21:04.25 | jmartens | Blurr: Then it's not in debian |
| 21:04.33 | ryan` | i can disable overcommits, but overcommits cound agains cached data, too... |
| 21:05.18 | heartsblood | whats the command to test if php has been loaded w/apache? ?phpinfo() ? |
| 21:05.25 | dtech | I seen a shirt today that said "One by one the penguins are driving me insane" I liked it |
| 21:05.25 | Slyboots | Anyway, Im using a TV card (Pinnical BT878 TV card) But I get no sound from the TV signal |
| 21:05.42 | Blurr | jmartens: In all of the coldfusion installation tutorials for debian, it refered to the package. Also there was an old link that iused to lead to it |
| 21:05.48 | Slyboots | Even if I plug my headphones into the TV card (It needs to be connected to the Soundcard externaly via 3.5m) |
| 21:05.54 | ryan` | Slyboots, try turning up the volume. |
| 21:06.13 | ryan` | on the bt878's mixer. |
| 21:06.22 | Slyboots | How do I do that? |
| 21:06.36 | Slyboots | The only mixer I have installed is Kmix, and its kinda crap |
| 21:06.37 | jmartens | Blurr: Ah, it's in oldstable (aka woody) |
| 21:06.58 | ryan` | Slyboots, see if kmix shows any other mixers available. |
| 21:07.03 | Blurr | jmartens: will it work with sarge then? |
| 21:07.04 | ryan` | i've used gmixer before |
| 21:07.09 | jmartens | Blurr: Don't think so |
| 21:07.10 | ryan` | ant sumix may be installed |
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| 21:07.17 | Blurr | ... |
| 21:07.22 | jmartens | Blurr: That's a really old version. |
| 21:07.44 | Slyboots | I dont see any option to select a different mixer.. |
| 21:07.54 | ryan` | you can also try loading the btaudio module... |
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| 21:08.07 | ryan` | Slyboots, install aumix |
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| 21:08.30 | ribnitz | Suppose I have file with a list of pcks (on a system without inet). how do I go about to create an update cd for that system? |
| 21:08.37 | Blurr | Oh well |
| 21:08.50 | Slyboots | Okay, got Aumix up |
| 21:08.54 | Slyboots | Doesnt look too pretty ;) |
| 21:09.09 | ryan` | :P |
| 21:09.18 | ribnitz | Slyboots: powerful proggys rarely are, see gimp. |
| 21:09.18 | jmartens | ribnitz: have a look at apt-zip |
| 21:09.32 | Slyboots | anyway, I dont see anything related to mixers at all on this one :D |
| 21:09.42 | ryan` | Slyboots, i forget what the defvice node is. |
| 21:09.53 | Slyboots | ? |
| 21:10.04 | ryan` | see the manpage, you have to specify a non-default mixer on the command line. |
| 21:10.10 | ryan` | oh. |
| 21:10.11 | ryan` | wait. |
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| 21:10.34 | ryan` | it doesn't HAVE a mixer device unless you have btaudio loaded |
| 21:10.39 | ribnitz | jmartens: thanks. will try. |
| 21:10.41 | ryan` | is you line in volume turned up? |
| 21:10.44 | ryan` | and enabled? |
| 21:10.46 | ryan` | er |
| 21:10.48 | ryan` | not muted? |
| 21:10.54 | Slyboots | So modprobe btaudio? |
| 21:11.09 | ryan` | Slyboots: no, now now |
| 21:11.09 | ryan` | er |
| 21:11.09 | ryan` | not now |
| 21:11.19 | ryan` | check you line in volume, and make sure it's not muted. |
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| 21:11.56 | Slyboots | Everythigns turned up and turned on |
| 21:12.19 | ryan` | try loading btaudio, then. |
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| 21:12.36 | TheSlovak | Hi, can anyone help me with a network issue that I'm having? |
| 21:12.46 | Slyboots | Okay, modprobe btaudio |
| 21:12.51 | ribnitz | jmartens: I have the files as a dpkg get-selections list.. |
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| 21:12.58 | Slyboots | No message, and no audio |
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| 21:13.09 | Fox_1_ | hi all, what you will advice me cvs or svn? |
| 21:13.29 | kspath | Fox_1_: yes |
| 21:13.30 | ryan` | Fox_1_, svn is much nicer the cvs |
| 21:13.56 | chealer | TheSlovak: yes, just let us get our crystal ball. OK, so for your issue, you need to run... # fix-network-issue |
| 21:14.08 | jmartens | ribnitz: You want to upgrade a system with no net connection right? |
| 21:14.12 | ryan` | Slyboots, hmm, well, i need to get back to work. sorry :( |
| 21:14.21 | grendelson | I have an nVidia based card, I've setup the kernel switches to turn off apm and acpu and I am not using standby. The PC finally stoppped hanging up coming back from standby. NOW Xorg locks up while working!! While editing files or in gnome the screen locks and Xorg is at 99% and I can move ouse but nothing responds. What should I check, adjust, assume in this case? |
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| 21:14.27 | grendelson | acpi I meant |
| 21:14.31 | Slyboots | :( |
| 21:14.35 | mortal__ | grendelson: nvidia = no joy |
| 21:14.37 | TheSlovak | no no, I'm having an issue with DNS |
| 21:14.38 | minerale | I have three partitions, debian32,64 and swap. Coud i tar all the files for one, delete the ext partition, create a xfs one and then place all the files back in? |
| 21:14.43 | ribnitz | jmartens: yes, and I have all its packages (dpkg --get-selections) in a txt file. |
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| 21:14.51 | grendelson | mortal__It's worked for a long time - is it new drivers? |
| 21:14.57 | ryan` | minerale: yes. |
| 21:15.00 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: why? |
| 21:15.03 | mortal__ | proprietary drivers suck generally |
| 21:15.06 | TheSlovak | I cant ping the debian box by the host name |
| 21:15.13 | minerale | ryan`: is there an easier way to change partitions? |
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| 21:15.20 | grendelson | mortal__I switched to prop drivers - sice I could not get the Deb specific files to stop locking from standby |
| 21:15.21 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: why are you thinking like that? |
| 21:15.22 | ribnitz | TheSlovak: dns setuip correctly? |
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| 21:15.28 | ryan` | minerale, only for ext2 > ext3 |
| 21:15.37 | TheSlovak | my router handles DNS and DHCP |
| 21:15.42 | jmartens | ribnitz: Well, I think you install apt-file on that system, then it will tell you what packages you need to download to update, and I think even provide a script for you. |
| 21:16.00 | jmartens | ribnitz: But I've never used it, so I don't know. |
| 21:16.01 | TheSlovak | all other windows computers are handled properly |
| 21:16.27 | jmartens | ribnitz: You could probably script something up with the selections, but there is no automated tool that I know of. |
| 21:16.48 | ribnitz | jmartens: I moe thought along the lines on setting the sleectoions on a chrooted system, then dist-upgrading (with -d) |
| 21:16.48 | TheSlovak | in my routers client list the debian box comes up with a hostname "(null)" |
| 21:17.05 | TheSlovak | I can resolve names outside my LAN no problem |
| 21:17.06 | ryan` | Fox_1_: http://www.google.com/search?q=svn+vs+cvs ... I like SVN's conflict handling, and the atomic commits. |
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| 21:17.16 | Alam_Linux | how do I drop a device logically? my 2nd CDROM drive /dev/hdd is flooding the log with errors and I don't want to restart my pc |
| 21:17.22 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: ok, thanks. |
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| 21:17.28 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: for url:) |
| 21:17.31 | jmartens | ribnitz: You could do that, then copy all the packages to the local cache. They should show up in aptitude then. |
| 21:17.54 | jmartens | Alam_Linux rm /dev/hdd? |
| 21:18.08 | ryan` | Fox_1_: Also, check out trac |
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| 21:18.40 | ryan` | it is an excelent source code managment system with integrated wiki, source browser, and ticket tracker. |
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| 21:19.01 | grendelson | If I am working in Xorg and have nvidia (latest driver from nvidia site) and Xorg locks up CPU at 99% what should I check , adjust , try? IT is locking up regularly now after being in X for only a few hours! |
| 21:19.02 | TheSlovak | any ideas? |
| 21:19.02 | ryan` | Alam_Linux: unload the module. |
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| 21:19.22 | jmartens | SCM systems are like browsers were in the 90's. A new one every week. |
| 21:19.24 | grendelson | My nvidia was lockig up in standby but I used the docs to correct that (and the newer driver) |
| 21:19.30 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: ok, know, which svn server to install(i'm using debian 3.1)? |
| 21:19.54 | ryan` | Fox_1_, I'm using it with apache and mod_dav |
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| 21:20.40 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: no, i don't need that with apache |
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| 21:21.15 | Alam_Linux | unload the module ide_disk that holding hda, hdb, hdc, and hdd all together? |
| 21:21.17 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: it's just for project development |
| 21:21.23 | chin1 | does the desktop suite of packages install kde ? |
| 21:21.30 | ryan` | Fox_1_, you can use apache as the svn server. |
| 21:21.46 | nethenson | chin1: yes, it install gnome, kde and gdm |
| 21:22.00 | chin1 | i dont want gnome or gdm |
| 21:22.02 | chin1 | i want kdm |
| 21:22.07 | ryan` | svnserve isn't too great. |
| 21:22.13 | TheSlovak | anyone good with DNS problems? |
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| 21:22.37 | nethenson | TheSlovak: ask, and maybe you'll get an answer |
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| 21:23.10 | TheSlovak | I cant ping my debian box by hostname |
| 21:23.15 | TheSlovak | ping by IP works fine |
| 21:23.37 | TheSlovak | and it cant ping any other macines by hostname |
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| 21:23.43 | nse | i have been running around with this error with locales: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") all the time dpkg is installing something. dpkg-reconfigure locales is not doing the job, what to do? |
| 21:23.45 | grendelson | TheSlovak is your hostname in /etc/hosts? |
| 21:23.52 | lcore | TheSlovak: dns (check /etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 21:24.21 | TheSlovak | in reolv.conf it is looking to my router for DNS |
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| 21:24.26 | TheSlovak | like it should be |
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| 21:25.46 | TheSlovak | do all hostnames have to be in hosts? shouldnt it look them up via the DNS server? |
| 21:25.46 | valdyn | TheSlovak: dig @your_dns_ip test.com |
| 21:25.55 | TheSlovak | external DNS seems to be functioning |
| 21:25.59 | TheSlovak | just not internal |
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| 21:26.15 | valdyn | TheSlovak: how should your router know about your internat names? |
| 21:26.24 | valdyn | TheSlovak: how should your router know about your internal names? |
| 21:26.24 | nethenson | TheSlovak: did it work before? have you changed something? |
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| 21:27.07 | TheSlovak | this is a fresh install, I can resolve external host names (i.e. google.com) but internally it doesnt seem to be getting host names from the router |
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| 21:27.23 | valdyn | TheSlovak: thats expected behaviour anyway |
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| 21:27.37 | valdyn | TheSlovak: your router doesnt know your internal names, how should it? |
| 21:27.55 | kspath | TheSlovak: What nameserver did you configure for resolving your internal network hostnames and IPs? |
| 21:27.59 | grendelson | TheSlovak : Your DNS is set to use your router for DNS, your Router has a DNS entry it uses. Your internal machines are not setup in the Routers DNS unless dhcp updates the routers DNS via dynamic dns. |
| 21:28.00 | chin1 | how do i remove anything and everything that installed along with gnome ? |
| 21:28.01 | vinadelmar | hi guys just a little question |
| 21:28.12 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 21:28.12 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 21:28.34 | vinadelmar | i can't find something like xorg-devel on ubuntu-breezy. would the corresponding package in debian works on my breezy box ? |
| 21:28.48 | valdyn | vinadelmar: how should we know? |
| 21:28.57 | kspath | TheSlovak: Did you set up a bind or maradns or powerdns or other nameserver with records for your internal network fwdDNS and revDNS? |
| 21:29.02 | vinadelmar | just asking mate, just asking |
| 21:29.06 | valdyn | vinadelmar: dont mix packages from different distros, in general |
| 21:29.13 | vinadelmar | noted |
| 21:29.17 | grendelson | vinadelmar : see topic. Ask ubuntu ... sorry |
| 21:29.32 | TheSlovak | I didnt set up anything, maybe my understanding of DNS is incorrect |
| 21:29.34 | jmartens | vinadelmar: I have heard that it works, but you will just have to try and see for yourself. |
| 21:29.35 | vinadelmar | grendelson, yeah sorry, but i already did it, so that's why i'm here |
| 21:29.46 | TheSlovak | I thought the router would resolve hostnames to internal IP's |
| 21:30.02 | TheSlovak | and external IP's would be forwarded to an external DNS server |
| 21:30.02 | vinadelmar | i'm *totally* sorry to bother you ;) |
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| 21:30.11 | chin1 | TheSlovak: routers dont do that the computers answer on their own |
| 21:30.18 | kspath | TheSlovak: routers route traffic for whatever protocol DNS is a service Domain Name Service. |
| 21:30.24 | TheSlovak | right |
| 21:30.33 | chin1 | its a zeroconf thing |
| 21:30.40 | chin1 | each pc is its own dns |
| 21:30.41 | evaded | vinadelmar: You can break the whole thing because that package are not _adapted_ for that ubuntu |
| 21:30.47 | grendelson | TheSlovak Not without you setting it up some way. If you have only few machines slap a hosts on them. If you wanna learn more setup bind, use dns in your lan and have your external DNS be the next dns to check |
| 21:31.13 | kspath | vinadelmar: If you are running Ubuntu than asking non-ubuntu people seems like a mistake. |
| 21:31.27 | TheSlovak | maybe a silly question but, how are my windows machines resolving hostnames on the LAN? |
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| 21:31.37 | lcore | TheSlovak: It can't unless you tell him the hosts whose addresses you want to maintain locally. |
| 21:31.42 | vinadelmar | ok ok calm down guys. sorry sorry. i'm going to do hara kiri |
| 21:31.53 | chin1 | where in aptitude is the section gnome ? |
| 21:31.54 | valdyn | vinadelmar: im sure ubuntu whatever has an xorg dev package, its probably named xorg-dev or x-dev |
| 21:32.01 | jmartens | TheSlovak: They are probably using netbios or wins or some other name service |
| 21:32.20 | vinadelmar | valdyn, thanks. good night |
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| 21:32.32 | kspath | TheSlovak: windows networking is NOT linux/unix/bsd/internet networking. |
| 21:32.33 | valdyn | TheSlovak: you're confusing 2 different things, netbios names are something else than dns names |
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| 21:32.58 | TheSlovak | yea I'm confusing something |
| 21:33.05 | chin1 | TheSlovak: netbious is all about microsoft windows networking its done via samba |
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| 21:33.28 | kspath | chin1: in some cases better not done at all. |
| 21:33.33 | Fox_1_ | ryan`: does svnserve easy to configure? |
| 21:33.36 | pilgrim | Has anyone set up SMTH AUTH in exim4? |
| 21:33.39 | TheSlovak | let me get down to what I need to do |
| 21:33.51 | TheSlovak | I want to run a LAN website on debian |
| 21:33.58 | jmartens | pilgrim: Yeah, it was a pain. |
| 21:34.01 | kspath | pilgrim: There is a #exim. They are the experts on exim. |
| 21:34.03 | chin1 | kspath: what ? |
| 21:34.10 | TheSlovak | I've installed xampp to handle apache and what not |
| 21:34.11 | pilgrim | kspath, good idea. |
| 21:34.15 | pilgrim | jmartens, any pointers? |
| 21:34.23 | kspath | chin1: I was joking about not using samba and not using netbios. |
| 21:34.31 | jmartens | pilgrim: #exim. :) |
| 21:34.38 | chin1 | well samba is great it even has more features than windows servers do lol |
| 21:34.40 | pilgrim | k thanks |
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| 21:34.57 | TheSlovak | now the servers running and I can go to any other machine and go to a browser and put in the debian box's IP and bring up the site |
| 21:34.58 | chin1 | and netbios has nothing to do with tcp/ip hostnames at all |
| 21:35.11 | chin1 | actually hostnames really dont even fit into tcp/ip |
| 21:35.12 | valdyn | pilgrim: /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:35.17 | TheSlovak | but if I type in the servers hostname, the name I gave it when installing debian |
| 21:35.24 | TheSlovak | it doesnt load |
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| 21:35.43 | chin1 | dns is the layer that provides host names and wins servers are the layer that provides netbious names and of course zeroconf peer to peer |
| 21:35.47 | TheSlovak | previously I was running the apache server on a windows box |
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| 21:36.08 | TheSlovak | and I could access the site by hostname |
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| 21:36.10 | pilgrim | valdyn, is the gzipped one different from the rest? |
| 21:36.12 | chin1 | TheSlovak: you sound really confused perhaps you have no idea how networking works |
| 21:36.15 | Slyboots | Okay, Got a few steps furhter.. of sorts |
| 21:36.18 | valdyn | TheSlovak: you need to a) set up a dns server or b) fix the hosts file on every box or c) use zeroconf ( which i know nothing about ) |
| 21:36.31 | Slyboots | I installed ALSA, And now there is a Mixer setting for "bt878" |
| 21:36.32 | dtech | TheSlovak, this is because you dont have local DNS running, try adding the web server name to your hosts file in your browser machine |
| 21:36.36 | Slyboots | But, Im still not getting any audio |
| 21:36.46 | valdyn | pilgrim: is there a non-gzipped README.Debian there? |
| 21:36.54 | chin1 | TheSlovak: the only way to do that is to either put the mappings into a dns server or into your hosts file or some type of database that your system is configured to access and the only other possiblity is a zeroconf setup |
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| 21:37.11 | pilgrim | valdyn, urr. perhaps note. Thanks. |
| 21:37.17 | kspath | TheSlovak: No offense but perhaps you need a networking for dummies book or other introductory book. |
| 21:37.21 | dtech | i thought zeroconf was a windows thing |
| 21:37.24 | TheSlovak | none taken |
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| 21:37.45 | jmartens | dtech: Nope, it's in linux and os x now (sort of) |
| 21:37.48 | valdyn | TheSlovak: apt-get install dnsmasq on your server is probably an easy solution |
| 21:37.49 | lcore | dtech: Afaik it was developed by sun |
| 21:37.55 | TheSlovak | I'll try that |
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| 21:38.03 | valdyn | TheSlovak: however your network boxes will have to use that as DNS server then |
| 21:38.25 | dtech | cool now I'll have to go read up on it then for sure |
| 21:38.27 | TheSlovak | instead of my router? |
| 21:38.30 | lcore | TheSlovak: your current dns is your router. What kind of router it it? |
| 21:38.38 | TheSlovak | its a Belkin |
| 21:38.43 | dtech | TheSlocak: probably as well as your router |
| 21:38.48 | valdyn | TheSlovak: dnsmasq will use /etc/hosts where its installed and forward everything else to what is in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:39.21 | chin1 | dtech: no i read about it in linux mag too... zeroconf is an idea in networking where a peer to peer type of setup is in place that each pc is effectivly its own mini dns which only respondes to people who are looking for its host name...... the zeroconf your thinking about is is the windows service which is called wireless zeroconf or something or the other thing when windows auto asigns a default ip.... those are all autoconf type of f |
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| 21:39.57 | dtech | chin1 - yup you knew exactly what i was thinking about ty for clearing it up |
| 21:40.08 | chin1 | auto ip, auto mini dns... they are zeroconf network features |
| 21:40.14 | dtech | neat |
| 21:40.23 | Slyboots | Anyone have any clues or suggestions, Why I am not getting any audio from my TV card (Sound is correctly configured in linux, but even if I connect a pair of headphones directly to the TV card, I still get no Audio) The Card is a Brooktree 878 |
| 21:40.45 | Slyboots | When I installed Alsa, it did add a optino for its own mixer, but that does not seem to have helped things |
| 21:40.48 | chin1 | there was an article on setting up linux boxes to respond to dns look ups for their own hostname it was in linux mag it might be publically veiwable by now if you google for it |
| 21:40.51 | jmartens | Slyboots: Did you try adjusting all of the various sound levels? |
| 21:40.56 | Brox | when i install tomcat5 apt automatically installs kaffe as well. But kaffe is a really slow jvm implementation - so when i start eclipse its really slow and produces an error. If tomcat5 has kaffe as an dependency i can never get around using kaffe right? So i can either use kaffe or not install tomcat5 over apt (but go the long manual route...), is that right? |
| 21:40.59 | Slyboots | Of course, No affect |
| 21:41.03 | Slyboots | *effect |
| 21:41.04 | dtech | I have had a productive day today.. i set up the first hop in what is to be our city-wide community wireless network. both ends are using debian+madwifi and our first connection travels 4 miles |
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| 21:42.04 | Om3n | Could somone please help me troubleshoot my network connection? |
| 21:42.21 | chin1 | yea make sure hte wire is plugged in |
| 21:42.23 | chin1 | ;] |
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| 21:42.32 | Om3n | :P |
| 21:42.34 | Ronin | chin1: smartarse :) |
| 21:42.45 | chin1 | lol common everyone does it to me its my turn now |
| 21:43.08 | Om3n | Actually it has activity and is recieving packets but it will not get an offer from the dhcp |
| 21:43.21 | kspath | Om3n: Lease? |
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| 21:43.41 | Om3n | Yes |
| 21:43.54 | kspath | Om3n: will not? errors? logs? |
| 21:44.10 | kspath | Om3n: Did it ever work? |
| 21:44.20 | Om3n | will not, no errors, nothing important in the logs other then the requests and the timeout |
| 21:44.24 | Om3n | yes it did |
| 21:44.29 | Om3n | at one point |
| 21:44.38 | Brox | dtech, 4 miles? what network cards are you using? I'm using ALL0281 which also runs with madwifi but my connection is pretty poor - link quality about 1/4 and the connection keeps braking down... |
| 21:44.58 | kspath | Om3n: details? dhcp server? wireless? anything? |
| 21:45.04 | dtech | Brox I am using of all things belkin wireless G cards from Walmart lol |
| 21:45.27 | dtech | I have 25' of LMR-400 cable going outside to a 14dBi directional antenna |
| 21:45.33 | Om3n | dhcp server is from shaw, i do have a usb wireless but the networks in the area are encrypted |
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| 21:45.40 | kspath | Om3n: I think it is fairies. They like network interfaces and fly in there and play with it. |
| 21:45.54 | rotzbouw | Hi |
| 21:45.59 | dtech | wireless really comes alive when your out in open air |
| 21:46.18 | dtech | if your going through walla or windows , the first wall it hits drops your signal in half |
| 21:46.26 | dtech | walla = walls |
| 21:46.28 | rotzbouw | I just logged into my powerpc with single-user because it won't boot into the x window system. how can I now remove the x window system? |
| 21:46.51 | rotzbouw | or, preferably, change the resolution for the x window system. the setup didn't give me the right choices. |
| 21:46.52 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 21:46.52 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 21:47.15 | Om3n | faeries play with the usb adapter not plugged in eh? or you mean the take their magical hammer to my onboard card and my pci card? Oo |
| 21:47.20 | Brox | dtech, i can put both machines together and it doesnt change the link quality of the card that builds the ad-hoc net |
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| 21:47.45 | dtech | Brox i am not using ad-hoc i have one machine running as an access-point other is a client |
| 21:47.49 | rotzbouw | I'm sorry, I don't know what sid/etch is :( (i'm using the "testing" build because the latest stable won't detect the cd-rom which makes the installation impossible) |
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| 21:48.29 | dtech | madwifi+atheros chipset does some really robust wireless networking |
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| 21:48.33 | nethenfoo | rotzbouw, etch is the alias for testing |
| 21:48.34 | Brox | dtech, i thought both were debian-madwifi? |
| 21:48.39 | dtech | Brox they are |
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| 21:48.45 | Om3n | Is ther another channel where it might be better to seek assistance? |
| 21:48.51 | dtech | I have a debian access-point I built using madwifi |
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| 21:49.15 | matadon | On Debian: amavis-ng or amavisd-new? What's the difference? |
| 21:49.18 | rotzbouw | nethenfoo: thank you. |
| 21:49.22 | Slyboots | Why doesnet freaking sound work o.o |
| 21:49.57 | Slyboots | there is no audio being outputted from the TV card at all |
| 21:50.17 | dtech | Slyboots I would doubt this is the thign but some bttv cards have a jack on the card itslef that you can run to the aux in on your sound card. i have heard that sometimes this is the only sound output that works on various cards |
| 21:50.21 | kspath | Om3n: #network ? #networking? |
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| 21:50.29 | Om3n | thank you |
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| 21:50.45 | dtech | Slyboots: you use a cd-rom audio cable for that |
| 21:50.52 | Slyboots | Nah, thatsa not it |
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| 21:50.59 | Slyboots | This one uses an external cable |
| 21:51.02 | ryan` | yeah, i use the cd-rom audio cable on my card. |
| 21:51.09 | ryan` | even tho it has an external |
| 21:51.13 | Brox | dtech, you know but then you can specify what mode it is # Operation mode : Ad-Hoc, Managed, Master, Repeater, Secondary, auto |
| 21:51.21 | Slyboots | There is no port for an internal connection, I've already checked |
| 21:51.30 | ryan` | oh |
| 21:51.31 | ryan` | lame |
| 21:51.36 | Slyboots | Its a old card |
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| 21:51.39 | Slyboots | I've bought a new one |
| 21:51.44 | dtech | brox right it goes like this |
| 21:51.51 | Slyboots | Hanapaug.. PCI-Nova-T |
| 21:52.02 | Slyboots | Uh, Nova-DVB-T |
| 21:52.02 | dtech | wlanconfig ath0 wlandev wifi0 wlanmode master |
| 21:52.18 | dtech | that makes that card an access point |
| 21:52.24 | dtech | oops |
| 21:52.29 | dtech | wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode master |
| 21:53.02 | dtech | Brox also make sure you check out iwpriv and see what things your card can do |
| 21:53.23 | dtech | after I create the card I put it on an essid with iwconfig |
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| 21:53.30 | dtech | I then bring up the interface with ifconfig |
| 21:53.52 | henrique | could anyone help me |
| 21:53.53 | henrique | ? |
| 21:53.55 | dtech | you know the access point is workign when you do an iwconfig ath0 and it shows it's own mac as it's access point |
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| 21:54.16 | kspath | !tell henrique about ask |
| 21:54.24 | dtech | Brox also remember with wireless the slower you go the farther it will shoot |
| 21:54.38 | dtech | 1Mb will shoot farther than 54Mb |
| 21:54.45 | dtech | and wireless B will shoot farther than G |
| 21:54.49 | henrique | kspath: ive never been in this channel |
| 21:55.21 | kspath | henrique: Did you have a question about Debian? |
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| 21:55.30 | Brox | dtech, setting to Master just reduced my link quality... |
| 21:55.37 | jonkri__ | how can i make hotplug start on boot up? |
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| 21:55.41 | dtech | antennas also make a huge difference, every 3dB gain the antenna has over your original antenna will effectively double your transmit power |
| 21:55.47 | jonkri__ | is there a rc-update kind of thing? |
| 21:55.48 | henrique | ive nevre used debian and i have to load some modules, i cant find where is it located...or if i have to install another package still not installed... |
| 21:55.51 | valdyn | jonkri__: by installing it |
| 21:55.55 | penguin | How do you get the help files for the Gimp? |
| 21:55.55 | jonkri__ | valdyn it is installed |
| 21:55.59 | dtech | brox, setting to master will show absolutely no link unless there is a client connected to it |
| 21:56.02 | valdyn | jonkri__: its also started then |
| 21:56.37 | jonkri__ | valdyn no, it's not. |
| 21:56.38 | henrique | like it was in mandrake...a package of modules |
| 21:56.49 | valdyn | jonkri__: how do you know? |
| 21:56.56 | jonkri__ | valdyn ps aux | grep hotplug doesn't give me anything except the ps process |
| 21:56.56 | henrique | kspath: did yo read? |
| 21:57.00 | penguin | gimp-help-en????? Is this help for the gimp?? |
| 21:57.08 | valdyn | jonkri__: why the hell should it? |
| 21:57.22 | jonkri__ | valdyn uhm... because hotplug would be a process if it was on? |
| 21:57.28 | valdyn | jonkri__: nope |
| 21:57.42 | valdyn | jonkri__: hotplug is started by your kernel on demand |
| 21:57.53 | valdyn | jonkri__: and it shouldnt be running for long at all |
| 21:57.54 | jonkri__ | valdyn ok, now i have a new question :) |
| 21:58.02 | fas3r | i want to generate certif for my radius ... with the script CA.srv it's possible i use ip adress instead of domain nane .. if u prefer i want to use CA.srv with this ... for example ./CA.srv 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:58.16 | jonkri__ | valdyn how come i had to disconnect and connect the mouse for it to be recognized by the system? |
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| 21:58.26 | valdyn | jonkri__: except during booting, then its started by the script in /etc/init.d/ to load 'detect' hardware |
| 21:58.30 | jonkri__ | valdyn (and to appear in the dev tree) |
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| 21:58.45 | henrique | where is the debian modules ? is it /lib/modules/ ? there is no sound modules there...do i have to intall a package of modules, what is it name? |
| 21:59.02 | jonkri__ | valdyn my mouse was connected during boot... |
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| 21:59.10 | jonkri__ | valdyn (this worked before i did an upgrade) |
| 21:59.23 | valdyn | jonkri__: which upgrade to what, from what |
| 21:59.39 | jonkri__ | valdyn from an old stable to a newer testing, i guess |
| 21:59.49 | grendelson | couple a troubleshooting questions 1) what is easiest way to see BIOS type and version (can I see this from running system ie proc? 2)TO keep Debian from starting X do I just rename gdm in rc2? and then to startx with custom debugging when a user logs in just add startx to what file? .xsession ? |
| 21:59.49 | valdyn | jonkri__: uname -r |
| 21:59.56 | dtech | henrique: I believe all OSS modules are compiled into the kernel by default, if you want to use alsa then you need to compile the modules, if your just getting started with debian maybe you should look into discover |
| 21:59.59 | jonkri__ | valdyn 2.6.8 |
| 22:00.13 | GoCooL | any hints on how to debug this error message "pivot_root no such file or directory cannot open dev/console no such file"? |
| 22:00.24 | zzz | henrique: Have You compiled your kernel yourself? If no, have You installed the kernel-modules deb package? |
| 22:00.31 | jonkri__ | valdyn do you have an idea of why the mouse wasn't "started" upon boot? |
| 22:00.34 | valdyn | jonkri__: if you want to use testing you should update your kernel to >= 2.6.12 and apt-get install udev |
| 22:00.54 | jonkri__ | valdyn ok, thanks. will that be likely to solve my problem? |
| 22:01.06 | dtech | GoCool: are you trying to boot from a USB drive or something? |
| 22:01.08 | valdyn | jonkri__: only vaguely, you cannot have fully upgraded to testing because |
| 22:01.28 | valdyn | jonkri__: recently udev and hotplug packages got 'merged' to a new udev package |
| 22:01.30 | GoCooL | dtech: no, i upgraded to a 2.6 on my Debian Sarge machine |
| 22:01.39 | valdyn | jonkri__: which is what you should be using |
| 22:01.56 | GoCooL | dtech: and when i try to boot into it, it gives me the above "kernel panic" message |
| 22:02.02 | dtech | GoCool: and ignored the warning that said "You have to run mkinitrd before you reboot this machine" opr similar? |
| 22:02.10 | henrique | zzz: no, when isntalling debian, it asks what modules i would like to intall...but there were no modules concerning to sound i believe...i guesse ~oh they will put all modules in /lib/modules...but not therte is no modules there...what package i have to install? |
| 22:02.19 | rotzbouw | how do I configure the default resolution for the x window system in etch? |
| 22:02.22 | jonkri__ | valdyn i see |
| 22:02.24 | jonkri__ | valdyn thanks |
| 22:02.32 | GoCooL | dtech: no, i belive i have initrd |
| 22:02.36 | henrique | zzz |
| 22:02.38 | henrique | zzz ok |
| 22:02.40 | zzz | henrique: kernel-modules-... |
| 22:02.45 | henrique | zzz: hehe |
| 22:02.46 | jonkri__ | valdyn so basically i should remove hotplug? |
| 22:02.59 | jonkri__ | valdyn can i use coldplug? |
| 22:03.09 | valdyn | jonkri__: apt-get install udev would do that, provided your kernel is new enough |
| 22:03.13 | GoCooL | dtech: and the entry is also there on grub |
| 22:03.15 | henrique | dtech: ineed not alsa essolo |
| 22:03.17 | valdyn | jonkri__: i know nothing about coldplug |
| 22:03.24 | zzz | henrique: and You' ll need kernel-headers-... , too. |
| 22:03.32 | grendelson | is the bios version somethign that can be seen from runnign system or only at boot? (I've been surprised at what Linux can display?) |
| 22:03.45 | jonkri__ | valdyn ok. i used it in gentoo and it detected everything i had automatically. it was a dream |
| 22:03.51 | dtech | GoCool: the only time I ever had that problem was when I installed a newer kernel to my usb drive debian installation. It couldn't find the file system because the USB modules needed to be loaded before it did pivot_root, I had to mkinitrd for the new kernel then everything was proper |
| 22:04.02 | valdyn | jonkri__: try discover |
| 22:04.15 | valdyn | jonkri__: the package 'discover' i mean |
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| 22:04.38 | jonkri__ | valdyn cool |
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| 22:05.05 | TheSlovak | I think I may have solve the problem |
| 22:05.17 | GoCooL | dtech: when u say mkinitrd for newer kernel, what exactly do u mean? because in my case too, the newer kernel for whatever reason isn;t abe to load the drivers for my hard disk |
| 22:05.41 | dtech | GoCool mkinitrd recreates your initrd image for your kernel |
| 22:05.56 | dtech | ie "make initrd" |
| 22:06.09 | valdyn | !pivot_root |
| 22:06.23 | TheSlovak | I installed samba and now I can ping via hostname |
| 22:06.28 | dtech | that must have been something that happened in testing? |
| 22:06.31 | GoCooL | valdyn: ? |
| 22:06.38 | Om3n | So does anybody have an idea why a network card will not find a dhcp lease offer,when it had no problems before.. and when a windows machine of lesser quality plugs and goes? |
| 22:06.39 | valdyn | TheSlovak: from windows? |
| 22:06.46 | TheSlovak | yea |
| 22:07.09 | valdyn | guess windows ping will use netbios names, unix ping wont anyway |
| 22:07.19 | dtech | TheSlovak: I am assuming you told the windows server that your linux machine was it's Wins server? |
| 22:07.27 | TheSlovak | nope |
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| 22:07.32 | dtech | think thats how that works anyhow |
| 22:07.34 | TheSlovak | just installed samba on the debian box |
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| 22:07.44 | TheSlovak | and windows machines can now ping it via hostname |
| 22:07.48 | henrique_ | im back |
| 22:07.54 | TheSlovak | it cant ping windows machines via hostname |
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| 22:08.06 | valdyn | TheSlovak: right |
| 22:08.10 | GoCooL | dtech: how do i recreate intird for the new kernel? |
| 22:08.11 | TheSlovak | but my webserver doesnt need to be pinging hosts anyways |
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| 22:08.37 | dtech | GoCool, if you can boot with another kernel do that then search google for mkinitrd howto or something |
| 22:08.38 | henrique_ | where to find an apt tutorial? :D |
| 22:08.48 | TheSlovak | so long as I can just type in the hostname rather then the IP in my browser |
| 22:08.49 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 22:08.49 | dpkg | i guess initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 22:08.52 | TheSlovak | I'm happy |
| 22:09.14 | grendelson | henrique: look at topic - the wiki there has an apt gtting started |
| 22:09.26 | grendelson | exit |
| 22:10.31 | kspath | !tell henrique_ about grounding |
| 22:10.44 | kspath | !tell henrique_ about reference |
| 22:11.13 | henrique_ | oh no... |
| 22:11.30 | GoCooL | valdyn: i checked my grub and it's got initrd for the newer kernel that i'm trying to boot into, should i recreate initrd? |
| 22:12.06 | freeone3000 | What's that nice graphical samba tool? Queried apt-cache a few times, but didn't find anything. |
| 22:12.21 | henrique_ | kspath: i asked where to find the tutorial...not how to do...there is no better way to find a tutorial than asking on a linux channel |
| 22:12.23 | rotzbouw | how can I see all the currently installed packages? |
| 22:12.24 | valdyn | freeone3000: samba tool to do what? |
| 22:12.47 | henrique_ | kspath: pedantic |
| 22:12.53 | kspath | henrique_: exactly, that is why I gave you that information. |
| 22:13.14 | kspath | henrique_: pedantic? |
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| 22:13.24 | Mortis_kruuul | http://www.muzyka.oz.pl |
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| 22:13.38 | kspath | Mortis_kruuul: stop spamming the channel |
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| 22:13.45 | Bro1 | dtech, thanks - it didn't break down jet so thats a good sign |
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| 22:13.47 | GoCooL | dpkg: i checked my grub and it's got initrd for the newer kernel that i'm trying to boot into, should i recreate initrd? |
| 22:13.54 | kspath | !ops Mortis_kruuul |
| 22:13.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Mortis_kruuul |
| 22:14.04 | TeamCanada|Silen | hey, how do I see a users group? |
| 22:14.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 22:14.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@po58.szczecin.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl] by mentor |
| 22:14.29 | *** kick/#debian [Mortis_kruuul!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 22:14.32 | Bro1 | dtech, but now the rate has gone from 54Mbits to 11Mbits... |
| 22:14.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 22:14.53 | grendelson | I can't seem to get alsa to stay loaded after a reboot no matter what I try. I can do alsaconf and alsamixer and it works fine but destroyed after reboot! |
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| 22:14.58 | henrique_ | kspath: forget |
| 22:15.14 | kspath | mentor: Thank you. apparently, that site gets spammed to the channel somewhat regularly. |
| 22:15.24 | SimonRaven | that fukcer back? *sigh* |
| 22:15.31 | SimonRaven | ck* |
| 22:16.02 | dtech | Bro1: you can change your rates and stick them at certain speeds, auto isnt a good idea because you have no choice of you rate |
| 22:16.06 | mentor | I should script an auto kick :/ |
| 22:16.23 | SimonRaven | auto_bleh.pl |
| 22:16.24 | kspath | mentor: The URL is always the same so likely you could do it quite well. |
| 22:16.32 | SimonRaven | (irssi) |
| 22:16.46 | mentor | I meant for debhelper |
| 22:16.57 | SimonRaven | oh. yeh |
| 22:16.59 | Bro1 | dtech,i can only do iwconfig atho 1M or 2M everything else i get told of with "invalid argument" |
| 22:17.06 | TeamCanada|Silen | I mounted hdb for user but my user cant access it.. "Permission denied" |
| 22:17.06 | Bro1 | ath0 |
| 22:17.15 | SimonRaven | in icky tcl ;p |
| 22:17.23 | SimonRaven | it's not too bad, though, just on the surface |
| 22:17.27 | freeone3000 | valdyn: To configure, and connect, and pretty much do everything, for as much as I recognize the value of manpages, I don't like them that much. |
| 22:17.29 | bbrazil | would probably end up with apt/dpkg/ravenbird being kicked |
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| 22:17.44 | dtech | Bro1: how about moving the card into wireless G mode with iwpriv ath0 mode 11g |
| 22:17.52 | dtech | or iwpriv ath0 mode 3 |
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| 22:18.16 | Bro1 | okay just a sec |
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| 22:18.27 | dtech | Bro1: that should at least go to 11M |
| 22:18.39 | Bro1 | iwconfig ath0 rate 11M also works |
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| 22:19.00 | mzilikazi | anyone w/ an nforce2/ac97 board? damned if i can get the mic to work properly |
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| 22:20.24 | Bro1 | dtech, i don't think i can change to that mode - but isn't it odd that i can only set it to 11M? |
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| 22:21.39 | uau | installing latest xserver-xorg fails, "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10", anyone know the reason yet? |
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| 22:22.37 | tns | allez au lit,il se fait très tard!!! |
| 22:23.01 | Bro1 | dtech, 5.5M also works - what are the special numbers? ;) |
| 22:23.12 | tns | vous risquez de ne pas vous reveiller demain ! |
| 22:23.27 | bbrazil | !fr |
| 22:23.28 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 22:23.56 | tns | koszonom sziepel |
| 22:24.03 | kspath | !pl |
| 22:24.03 | dpkg | pl is probably sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 22:24.20 | kspath | never mind |
| 22:24.31 | tns | join #debian-fr |
| 22:24.38 | binkzz | not perl library? |
| 22:24.43 | SimonRaven | tns: chez voud peut-etre .... |
| 22:24.46 | SimonRaven | vous* |
| 22:24.58 | tns | c'est complet! |
| 22:25.19 | SimonRaven | no such thing in irc |
| 22:25.20 | kspath | binkzz: I saw sz in what tns said without looking at it and assumed change of language to polish mistakenly. My mistake. |
| 22:25.22 | tns | ya deja ma copine et le lit n'est que 2 places! |
| 22:25.37 | kspath | !tell tns about fr |
| 22:25.54 | henrique_ | tns man...fench is not a language... |
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| 22:26.29 | Bro1 | either google translate isn't really working or hes talking bunk ;) |
| 22:26.33 | SimonRaven | henrique_: neither is enlish. |
| 22:26.44 | tns | estce que vmware est porté sur debian |
| 22:26.48 | SimonRaven | google translate is bull |
| 22:26.52 | kspath | Bro1: google is not perfect |
| 22:27.02 | SimonRaven | henrique_: no, french is. |
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| 22:27.04 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 22:27.19 | tns | is there any dictionnary fr-en on linux? |
| 22:27.24 | Bro1 | so copine means girlfriend right? |
| 22:27.30 | ZeBob | right |
| 22:27.33 | ZeBob | or friend |
| 22:27.39 | Bro1 | just use google translate dummy |
| 22:27.41 | tns | ja! |
| 22:27.52 | SimonRaven | tns: yes. |
| 22:27.52 | ZeBob | it depends |
| 22:27.53 | tns | that's true! |
| 22:28.19 | tns | qqn pourrai repondre à cette question ? |
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| 22:28.33 | GoCooL | when i try to boot into my new kernel on Debain Sarge, i get "pivot_root no such file or directory cannot open dev/console no such file", any hints as to what could be wrong? and yeah, I HAVE initrd in /boot and the entry is there in grub too |
| 22:28.34 | ZeBob | tns go on the f***cking french channel |
| 22:28.43 | SimonRaven | c'est anglais ici |
| 22:28.51 | ZeBob | they should answers u |
| 22:28.51 | Bro1 | tns might be a broken down bot |
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| 22:29.10 | kspath | tns: This is an English channel. Take it elsewhere please. |
| 22:29.27 | tns | et pourtant j'ai fait join #debian-fr mais sa marche pas! |
| 22:29.38 | tns | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.44 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:29.48 | Knorrie | heh |
| 22:29.52 | kspath | tns: Try /join #debian-fr |
| 22:30.09 | tns | koszonom |
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| 22:31.03 | tns | ok it 'runs thanks a lot |
| 22:31.05 | TeamCanada|Silen | I mounted my hdb through fstab using the "user" option, but my other account on the box can't access it |
| 22:31.41 | SimonRaven | user is only one user; set your perms accordingly |
| 22:32.08 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do i make it open to all users? |
| 22:32.29 | SimonRaven | man fstab; man mount; /users |
| 22:32.37 | GoCooL | when i try to boot into my new kernel on Debain Sarge, i get "pivot_root no such file or directory cannot open dev/console no such file", any hints as to what could be wrong? and yeah, I HAVE initrd in /boot and the entry is there in grub too |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 22:32.45 | dpkg | somebody said devconsole was http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html |
| 22:32.59 | owh | It's possible that my understanding is skewed, but in apt I have sources for stable, testing, unstable and sarge-backports. My apt-preferences have testing, unstable and sarge-backports pinned at -1. My understanding of how to install something from anything other than stable is to do: apt-get -t sarge-backports install openoffice.org, but this doesn't work. It depends on openoffice.org-base > 2.0.1. Any comments? |
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| 22:34.17 | tns | what is sarge-backports |
| 22:34.25 | GoCooL | dpkg: as per the link, /dev has all the files, i can boot into my older kernel, but not into the newer one i installed |
| 22:34.32 | abrotman | tns: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:34.41 | owh | tns: http://www.backports.org/debian/ |
| 22:34.41 | abrotman | GoCooL: dpkg is a bot |
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| 22:34.59 | GoCooL | abrotman: sorry, as per the link, /dev has all the files, i can boot into my older kernel, but not into the newer one i installed |
| 22:35.00 | abrotman | GoCooL: you boot with the broken one ..then boot the liveCD .. look in /dev/ on the HDD install |
| 22:35.16 | tns | viva deb community the responses for my questions are so quick!excellent! |
| 22:35.26 | abrotman | party on dude! |
| 22:35.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Word! |
| 22:35.38 | owh | tns: As fast as we can type :-) |
| 22:35.41 | minerale | is there any way to split a file in two? (does not matter where) |
| 22:35.46 | tns | yes ! |
| 22:35.46 | GoCooL | abrotman: the broken one gives me a kernel panic and hangs, how do i then boot into the lice cd? |
| 22:35.50 | owh | minerale: split |
| 22:35.58 | GoCooL | abrotman: *live |
| 22:35.59 | abrotman | GoCooL: you turn the computer off .. stick the CD in .. and boot |
| 22:36.19 | GoCooL | abrotman: i did that and /dev is fully popultaed |
| 22:36.28 | TeamCanada|Silen | impossible |
| 22:36.32 | GoCooL | abrotman: *populated |
| 22:36.33 | tns | i have this problem when i run xfe! its says me /dev/sys or /home doesnt respond!! |
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| 22:36.50 | abrotman | GoCooL: is there a dev/console ? |
| 22:36.54 | tns | how to correct this |
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| 22:37.14 | GoCooL | abrotman: yeah, it has a whole bunch of files |
| 22:37.32 | abrotman | GoCooL: you did boot the broken one .. then have it die .. then boot the liveCD right ? |
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| 22:37.51 | GoCooL | abrotman: yep, absolutely |
| 22:37.56 | tns | this problem is recurrent when i run xfe(xfce file manager) |
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| 22:38.08 | rotzbouw | how can I use KDE instead of Gnome? (gnome seems to crash when I try to boot) |
| 22:38.27 | abrotman | GoCooL: ls -l /<hddinstall>/dev/console |
| 22:38.41 | abrotman | rotzbouw: more fun to find out why gnome crashes ? |
| 22:39.00 | abrotman | rotzbouw: and do you mean that GDM crashes .. or actually logging into gnome ? |
| 22:39.15 | GoCooL | abrotman: crw------- 1 root tty 5, 1 2006-04-28 12:22 /dev/console |
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| 22:39.29 | Knorrie | GoCooL: what hardware are you using? |
| 22:39.33 | rotzbouw | as soon as debian quits the console and tries to start x or gnome I have dask screen with a bright line at the bottom. |
| 22:39.41 | abrotman | GoCooL: is this your own kernel? |
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| 22:39.53 | abrotman | rotzbouw: that means X has a problem .. check the X logs |
| 22:39.53 | GoCooL | abrotman: i apt-get installed the kernel |
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| 22:40.04 | owh | rotzbouw: It's possible that your monitor doesn't like the refresh rate you've chosen. |
| 22:40.05 | Knorrie | GoCooL: i had exactly that message some time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/11/msg00904.html |
| 22:40.24 | rotzbouw | abrotman: i've tried to reconfigure xserver.. it should be okay :\ |
| 22:40.30 | Knorrie | GoCooL: i don't know if it has someting to do with your problem, just to let you know |
| 22:40.38 | rotzbouw | owh: what could be the problem with 1024 @ 60hz? |
| 22:40.48 | abrotman | Knorrie: oh .. did that fix it ? |
| 22:40.56 | abrotman | rotzbouw: doesn't mean you got it right :) |
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| 22:41.09 | rotzbouw | nobody could tell me how to get it right :p |
| 22:41.11 | owh | rotzbouw: Try a lower resolution to start with. |
| 22:41.21 | abrotman | rotzbouw: can you paste your X log somewhere? |
| 22:41.33 | tns | why mozilla refuse to open a .php extension file? |
| 22:41.35 | rotzbouw | a lower resolution? the default resolution is like 1440x960px :( |
| 22:41.42 | abrotman | tns: server is misconfigured |
| 22:41.48 | abrotman | Knorrie: ? |
| 22:41.52 | rotzbouw | abrotman: where is the log and how could I paste it? |
| 22:41.54 | owh | tns: Because .php is a script, not for a browser, but for a server. |
| 22:41.58 | abrotman | rotzbouw: are you on the machine now? |
| 22:42.04 | abrotman | rotzbouw: i mean .. are you IRCing from the box ? |
| 22:42.08 | tns | it offers me to open it with file editor like gedit |
| 22:42.08 | Knorrie | abrotman: even better: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 22:42.12 | Knorrie | abrotman: what ? |
| 22:42.19 | Knorrie | abrotman: yes it was fixed |
| 22:42.23 | abrotman | Knorrie: did it fix your problem? that guys suggestion |
| 22:42.27 | rotzbouw | abrotman: no, I'm on windows. the machine is a powerbook. |
| 22:42.30 | owh | tns: That's a problem with mime-types or the loading of the .php module in apache. |
| 22:42.30 | tns | how can i run my scripts? |
| 22:42.46 | abrotman | rotzbouw: and it has network ? |
| 22:43.10 | abrotman | Knorrie: you gave me the same link twice :) |
| 22:43.25 | tns | is there phpmyadmin in linux? |
| 22:43.28 | Knorrie | abrotman: i backported a newer version of initrd-tools which could cope with some new feature... sorry i dont know exaclty what the change was |
| 22:43.34 | rotzbouw | It should have, abrotman, but last time I checked it couldn't connect to the package server :( |
| 22:43.36 | abrotman | Knorrie: okeedokee |
| 22:43.41 | owh | tns: Debian doesn't load the PHP module automagically, look in /etc/apache/modules.conf, there should be a line like this: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 22:43.42 | Knorrie | abrotman: :P |
| 22:43.52 | Knorrie | abrotman: no it's not the same link |
| 22:43.56 | abrotman | rotzbouw: you might want to ask #debianppc about your X .. |
| 22:44.01 | tns | thanks a lot! |
| 22:44.05 | owh | tns: Yes, there is phpmyadmin. |
| 22:44.08 | Knorrie | abrotman: but it has the same information, yes |
| 22:44.18 | abrotman | Knorrie: i see now |
| 22:44.28 | owh | So, anyone got any suggestions about my apt question? |
| 22:44.34 | GoCooL | Knorrie: sweet! how do i recreate initrd for the new 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:44.34 | epsilon | tns: you open the php-file directly from filesystem, or via a webserver such as apache? |
| 22:44.40 | rotzbouw | I'm there (on freenode) and they're sleepy, abrotman. thanks though |
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| 22:44.56 | Knorrie | GoCooL, abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=272139 |
| 22:44.58 | tns | ok i will try!thanks for your help |
| 22:45.37 | Knorrie | GoCooL: this is a bug that was fixed in sep 2004 :| so if you're using a recent debian installer i bet this one is not your problem |
| 22:45.49 | abrotman | rotzbouw: you just missed simon .. he knows much PPC stuff |
| 22:45.49 | TeamCanada|Silen | can some one type the minimal mount options for a user to access an ntfs /hdb/ please? |
| 22:45.56 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 22:45.57 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 22:46.32 | GoCooL | Knorrie: well, i'm not doing a fresh install, i'm upgrading my kernel |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | Knorrie: i've never been able to find a good resolution for that issue .. but it's never hit me either |
| 22:46.47 | abrotman | GoCooL: his other link is probably a better idea to try first |
| 22:47.02 | GoCooL | abrotman: oh ok |
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| 22:47.47 | GoCooL | abrotman: but in order to that, i'm not sure how to recreate initrd for my new kernel |
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| 22:48.04 | dtech | GoCool what Knorrie showed you is exactly the problem, cick next thread at the bottom of the page |
| 22:48.06 | brophat | what is that comman to append two files together? |
| 22:48.08 | Knorrie | abrotman: i used initrd-tools 0.1.76 (instead of .74) to rebuild my initrd and then i could boot that proliant dl360 |
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| 22:48.21 | abrotman | brophat: cat file1 file2 > newfile |
| 22:48.22 | owh | Is my understanding correct that if I pin an apt source to -1, it won't get installed unless I specify it? |
| 22:48.28 | brophat | that is it thaks |
| 22:48.28 | dtech | I had to do exactly what they said there when i installed the 2.6.15 kernel from testing |
| 22:48.32 | abrotman | i didn't htink -1 was valid |
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| 22:48.50 | Knorrie | abrotman: i bet there are more 'issues' that are the cause of some pivot_root problem |
| 22:48.57 | TeamCanada|Silen | abrotman: -bash: cd: /hdb/: Permission denied |
| 22:49.06 | owh | abrotman: Sure is according to the manual. It's 0 that has undefined behaviour :-) |
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| 22:49.49 | Knorrie | GoCooL: what kernel are you running now, what's your new kernel, what's your hardware like? |
| 22:49.56 | abrotman | owh: erm .. ok |
| 22:50.02 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: does /hdb/ exist? |
| 22:50.05 | GoCooL | dtech: "apt-get busybox-cvs" gives me an invalid operation error |
| 22:50.14 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: it's the mount point .. does it have good mount point permissions ? |
| 22:50.21 | dtech | no dont do the busybox just rebuild your initrd |
| 22:50.22 | abrotman | GoCooL: apt-get install |
| 22:50.23 | TeamCanada|Silen | ./dev/hdb1 on /hdb type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=chaos) |
| 22:50.29 | paolob-parroquia | Hi guys! I'm apt-getting my ubuntu through a apt-cacher server. On the box where apt-cacher is installed all is ok (the server itself apt-gets through apt-cacher too), but on the clients running apt-get update it gives me this error: Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) - Any hint? |
| 22:50.31 | owh | If I install something with apt like this: apt-get -t sarge-backports install package, then shouldn't the dependents of that package also come from sarge-backports? |
| 22:50.33 | dtech | the busy box isnt necessary it just helps |
| 22:50.38 | abrotman | paolob-parroquia: #ubuntu please |
| 22:50.56 | dtech | you have to tell it what kernel to rebuild the initrd for as well |
| 22:51.11 | dtech | so if your running the 2.4 kernel and need to do initrd to the 2.6 you tell it to do that |
| 22:51.12 | dtech | man initrd |
| 22:51.26 | dtech | oops |
| 22:51.28 | dtech | man mkinitrd |
| 22:51.58 | TeamCanada|Silen | abrotman? |
| 22:52.07 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: ls -l /hdb/ |
| 22:52.18 | dtech | you also need to tell it what modules to preload before mounting the root device in there somehow as well |
| 22:52.23 | TeamCanada|Silen | ls: /hdb/: Permission denied |
| 22:52.26 | owh | If I do this: apt-get -o Debug::pkgPolicy=true -s install -t sarge-backports openoffice.org, I see that sarge-backports has a priority of 990, which would be "install from here" would it not? |
| 22:52.35 | GoCooL | abrotman: ok, did those steps, but now i need to recreate initrd for the new kernel, how do i do that? |
| 22:52.39 | Knorrie | TeamCanada|Silen: /dev/hdb |
| 22:52.42 | nse | i need to know which part of linux reads /etc/fstab during the boot process to mount the devices, and in which situation it does this. because i am having troubles to automount paritions in /etc/fstab, when is okay mounting them trhough normal command line |
| 22:52.48 | dtech | it can't pivot root because the root device isn't showing up like it is suppoed to |
| 22:52.54 | TeamCanada|Silen | -bash: /dev/hdb1: Permission denied |
| 22:53.08 | binkzz | nse: are you trying to automount a usb drive? |
| 22:53.19 | abrotman | GoCooL: dtech just told you i think |
| 22:53.24 | nse | binkzz: no i am tryong to mount an ide drive |
| 22:53.29 | GoCooL | Knorrie: current - 2.4.27-2-386, new 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:54.24 | TeamCanada|Silen | abrotman, why can only root access hdb? |
| 22:54.31 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: ls -l /hdb/ |
| 22:54.38 | TeamCanada|Silen | denied |
| 22:54.50 | TeamCanada|Silen | should I do that as root? |
| 22:54.52 | binkzz | it might be that fstab is trying to mount them before the kernel loads a key module |
| 22:55.05 | kspath | tns: do you actually read/write french and/or hungarian? |
| 22:55.17 | binkzz | in which case you'd need to compile that module into the kernel, or 'automount' the drives via a script instead of fstab |
| 22:55.35 | Knorrie | GoCooL: use mkinitrd... i'm reading `man mkinitrd` now |
| 22:55.38 | TeamCanada|Silen | bink.. me? |
| 22:55.46 | binkzz | no, nse :) |
| 22:55.50 | TeamCanada|Silen | k |
| 22:56.17 | binkzz | you should be root to mount hdb though |
| 22:56.20 | nse | does anybody know this? |
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| 22:56.37 | nse | ahh ok.. |
| 22:56.52 | TeamCanada|Silen | the ls -l /hdb/ has many many lines |
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| 22:57.05 | Knorrie | GoCooL: ok... do you have a /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf? |
| 22:57.16 | GoCooL | Knorrie: yes, i do |
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| 22:57.40 | nse | binkzz: yes mounting them with a script was something i got in my mind. is there an appropriate script to do this? |
| 22:57.44 | Knorrie | GoCooL: ok... what's the value of ROOT=...? |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: ls -ld /hdb/ |
| 22:58.12 | GoCooL | Knorrie: ROOT=probe |
| 22:58.17 | Knorrie | GoCooL: ok |
| 22:58.18 | TeamCanada|Silen | dr-x------ 1 root root 4096 2006-03-25 20:44 /hdb/ |
| 22:58.36 | abrotman | and that's your mount point ? |
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| 22:58.42 | TeamCanada|Silen | yes |
| 22:58.44 | nse | binkzz: but in fact /etc/fstab is read by some script or anything to mount the devices, that script is what i want to know in order to make things right... but which module key could be missing? |
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| 22:58.57 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: chmod a+rwx /hdb/ |
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| 22:59.22 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I make that permanent? |
| 22:59.27 | TeamCanada|Silen | in fstab |
| 22:59.29 | abrotman | it will be permanent |
| 22:59.34 | TeamCanada|Silen | ok |
| 22:59.38 | minerale | I'm about to tar an entire partition, delete it, and then create an xfs instead... will all the owners be preserved? |
| 22:59.52 | abrotman | man tar |
| 22:59.57 | Knorrie | GoCooL: i'm searching my mailbox for a mail i sent someone about this in 2004... |
| 23:00.09 | TeamCanada|Silen | -bash: cd: /hdb/: Permission denied |
| 23:00.17 | binkzz | nse: I'm not sure which script reads the fstab file: did you try "grep fstab `find /etc`" ? |
| 23:00.26 | minerale | abrotman: is that when I extract it or when I create it? |
| 23:00.40 | GoCooL | dtech: i still don't see how to specify the kernel verson that i want it to create an intird for? |
| 23:00.41 | abrotman | minerale: read `man tar` |
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| 23:01.10 | kspath | minerale: It should preserve the UIDs but will your system have usernames with those UIDs? |
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| 23:01.44 | TeamCanada|Silen | abrotman, do you want to see my stab /dev/hdb1 entry? |
| 23:01.45 | pinky | Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has experience trying to install FTGL on their Debain system. Apparently APT wants to uninstall x-window-system-core because it will have unsatisfied dependencies... |
| 23:01.54 | minerale | kspath: i'm moving an entire debian install for ext3 to xfs |
| 23:01.59 | minerale | s/for/from |
| 23:02.00 | thingfish | tsk |
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| 23:02.04 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: sure |
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| 23:02.14 | TeamCanada|Silen | /dev/hdb1 /hdb ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0 |
| 23:02.14 | pinky | I obviously don't want that to be uninstalled, though. Is there any way to install FTGL *without* getting rid of x-window-system-core? |
| 23:02.36 | TeamCanada|Silen | I have no clue what any of those options do |
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| 23:02.46 | Holborn | Hi, anyone knows the abreviaton used by dpkg -l for the packets half-configured and half-installed |
| 23:03.06 | tns | when i try to configure apache it sends this error: failed unable to open logs |
| 23:03.14 | kspath | minerale: what will untar it onto xfs? |
| 23:03.24 | tns | how to open logs |
| 23:03.26 | kspath | minerale: An new install? |
| 23:03.37 | kspath | tns: less? more? view? tail? |
| 23:03.45 | cmatheson | i'm writing a script that utilises zenity... although this has more to do w/ how bash handles quotes in a string... i have this command: IP_CMD="$ZENITY --entry --text \"Please Enter the IP Address:\"" ~ anyway, the dialog only shows '"Please', how do i correctly escape those strings? |
| 23:03.51 | Knorrie | GoCooL: got it! |
| 23:03.54 | nse | binkzz: this is great! i was not aware of that.. |
| 23:04.03 | GoCooL | Knorrie: sweet! |
| 23:04.13 | abrotman | TeamCanada|Silen: you could read `man mount` to find out |
| 23:04.17 | Knorrie | GoCooL: mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/ |
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| 23:04.32 | kspath | tns: That likely means your daemon user does not have access to the logs or the log directory. |
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| 23:04.49 | tns | dzset:/home/tns# dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin |
| 23:04.49 | tns | Restarting apache 1.3 web server.... |
| 23:04.49 | tns | Forcing reload of apache 2.0 web server... ... no pidfile found! not running?(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 23:04.49 | tns | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 23:04.49 | tns | Unable to open logs |
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| 23:04.59 | binkzz | nse: of what? grep? |
| 23:05.06 | Knorrie | GoCooL: then in the directory you are a initrd.img.foobar will be created |
| 23:05.32 | GoCooL | Knorrie: ok ... |
| 23:05.33 | minerale | kspath: It'll be done by a different debian install running on a different partition |
| 23:05.44 | launch | sorry for this question but i would like to know why linux is free (in the sense of money) i dont understand, everybody wants money especially for an operating system this is so long to do |
| 23:05.50 | kspath | minerale: ok |
| 23:06.29 | kspath | launch: It was started to confuse people. |
| 23:06.34 | nse | binkzz: the way `` makes grep look for fstab in the content of /etc |
| 23:06.53 | binkzz | ah :) |
| 23:06.53 | tim_flatus | launch, Why is not an easy question to anwer |
| 23:07.01 | kspath | launch: You really want to search using google or other for a history of linux/unix/bsd ... |
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| 23:07.05 | binkzz | it's actually bash that makes grep do that |
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| 23:07.31 | Knorrie | GoCooL: after all... that was *my* fix to my problem, i don't know if it works for you.. i hope, but if you use a recent sarge installer... |
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| 23:08.08 | tns_ | how to run phpmyadmin ? |
| 23:08.09 | GoCooL | Knorrie: i didn't create an initrd in the dir i was in?! |
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| 23:08.20 | tns_ | it is installed on my machine |
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| 23:09.31 | launch | kspath ok thanks you |
| 23:09.32 | GoCooL | Knorrie: i don;t know where it put it? |
| 23:09.54 | tns_ | which syntax i have to use in the url to run phpmyadmin please |
| 23:09.57 | abrotman | launch: also .. check gnu.org |
| 23:10.27 | launch | abrotman ok thanks |
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| 23:11.13 | TeamCanada|Silen | why can't I rm directories |
| 23:11.28 | kspath | launch: If the "free" part is uncomfortable you can buy a distribution or donate money to the Debian project. |
| 23:11.31 | TeamCanada|Silen | do i cd in then rm * ? |
| 23:11.37 | alpha255 | TeamCanada|Silen try rm -rf on it |
| 23:11.49 | alpha255 | be careful though you don't want to delete tooo much |
| 23:12.02 | TeamCanada|Silen | I want to delete that directory |
| 23:12.12 | launch | abrotman kspath, i'm new to this world or this "idea" of software, im a little bit paranoide like if there some coder that put some malicious code and its why its free.. sorry its may seem very troll thinking but i dont understand and my english is bad |
| 23:12.20 | tns_ | which line i will add in /etc/fstab tu rum /mnt/win as a standard user please |
| 23:12.21 | launch | no free its very nice |
| 23:12.31 | abrotman | !fr |
| 23:12.31 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:12.35 | Knorrie | GoCooL: but mkinitrd did something? |
| 23:12.45 | launch | its just because i can't imagine something big like linux free without nothing bad |
| 23:12.52 | kspath | TeamCanada|Silen: rmdir is the command to delete a directory but it will not want to do so with any files in the directory. You also can not delete a directory you are in in many cases. |
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| 23:13.17 | GoCooL | Knorrie: yeah, i don;t know where it put it though, i checked the /boot to see if the one there is newer, but it's not |
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| 23:13.22 | alpha255 | kspath good point :) |
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| 23:13.48 | pinky | launch: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 23:13.50 | Knorrie | GoCooL: if the /lib/blah/etc exists in the mkinitrd command , you should have a initrd where you said it should be (with -o) |
| 23:13.58 | alpha255 | kspath rmdir ../directoryiamin won't work |
| 23:14.23 | kspath | alpha255: most of the time is can not work. |
| 23:14.26 | Knorrie | GoCooL: i bet it's in the directory where you were when you issued the commmand then |
| 23:14.53 | kspath | s/is/it/ |
| 23:15.03 | GoCooL | Knorrie: /lib/modules/... does exist but not the new initrd image is not?!!! it's pretty baffling, i'll check again |
| 23:15.07 | pinky | Hi I'm trying to install the ftgl-dev package, but apt wants me to uninstall x-window-system-core due to unsatisfied dependencies which I obviously don't want to happen. Is there a way to install FTGL without getting rid of X??? |
| 23:15.35 | nse | god i need to hack mount |
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| 23:15.56 | kspath | nse: "hack mount"? |
| 23:16.00 | GoCooL | Knorrie: ok, i had to specify the complate path |
| 23:16.07 | kspath | nse: You want to rewrite it? |
| 23:16.11 | Knorrie | GoCooL: the directory you were while issuing the mkinitrd command |
| 23:16.15 | launch | pinky thanks for the webpage this is what i searching for ! |
| 23:16.18 | dtech | GoCool, rename the one in boot to something else, run mkinitrd like you did and see if it created a newer one |
| 23:16.31 | dtech | i think it put mine in /boot by default |
| 23:17.01 | Knorrie | dtech: when using -o it puts it by default in `pwd` |
| 23:17.03 | nse | kspath: there is an option to mount all stuff from /etc/fstab. i need to know in which way mount does this. i mean, how mount interpret the lines in fstab to mount the devices |
| 23:17.03 | TeamCanada|Silen | cmd to list a directory/file's permissions/ownership? |
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| 23:17.29 | abrotman | ls -l |
| 23:17.30 | nse | kspath: it's -a (mount -a) mount all stuff from /etc/fstan |
| 23:17.32 | abrotman | !tell TeamCanada|Silen about grounding |
| 23:17.38 | dtech | Knorrie oh sorry |
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| 23:18.12 | alexk | I'm getting an X11 login screen when I connect to the console.. How do I revert back to the non-X11 one? |
| 23:18.18 | pinky | launch: No problem, glad to have helped. The GNU project is where the entire Free Software movement got started, so I recommend reading the philosphy pages to familiarize yourself with it if you are uncomfortable: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ |
| 23:18.53 | GoCooL | Knorrie: it's there now, should i just reboot and see? |
| 23:18.54 | abrotman | pinky: not quite .. but close enough :) |
| 23:19.03 | alexk | (this is on a server that I haven't seen for a few years) |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | alexk: which do you want ? |
| 23:19.09 | pinky | abrotman: What now? Not quite what? |
| 23:19.16 | abrotman | pinky: it started before that |
| 23:19.20 | abrotman | !tell alexk about nodm |
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| 23:19.42 | nse | kspath: do you know what i mean? because one of my devices is not being mounted properly through fstab. on the other hand it is through normal command line |
| 23:19.43 | Knorrie | GoCooL: rename the original initrd and put the new in /boot ... make sure the initrd stanza in /boot/grub/menu.lst matches... |
| 23:19.47 | GoCooL | dtech: i had to provide the complete path, i.e. /boot/initrd.img.blah |
| 23:20.03 | GoCooL | Knorrie: yeah |
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| 23:20.18 | alexk | abrotman: what's nodm? |
| 23:20.20 | pinky | I was under the impression that the Free Software movement as we know it today was started with rms' founding of the GNU project and authoring of the GPL in order to create a Free operating system. |
| 23:20.28 | abrotman | alexk: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 23:20.32 | kspath | nse: Perhaps you will want to study fstab and mtab and mount. |
| 23:20.37 | Knorrie | GoCooL: good luck... still i'm not sure.. but i hope it does the job! |
| 23:20.39 | dtech | GoCool yah I'm not as good with this stuff as I'd ike to be usually my experiences are a one time this happened to me thing, these folks that hang out in here and solve problems all day long are much better at this |
| 23:20.40 | iter | pinky bsd predates that by about 20 years |
| 23:20.54 | abrotman | pinky: IIRC .. it was actually in response to software becoming closed |
| 23:21.09 | TeamCanada|Silen | thanks abrotman, the newbiedoc was just what I was looking for ;-P |
| 23:21.22 | nse | kspath: hum... good ideas! |
| 23:21.27 | launch | when i try to connect to a http server, irc server, everything, this is slow, dns is before hosts in my config.. i use mozilla-firefox and xchat |
| 23:21.28 | pinky | iter: BSD isn't copyleft though... |
| 23:21.33 | Knorrie | dtech: this pivot_root thingy happened to me just one time.. :| |
| 23:21.43 | kspath | pinky: "free software" |
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| 23:22.08 | iter | yeah I guess you could argue sysV/bsd --> msft (non free sw) --> gnu/foss is how it went |
| 23:22.12 | kspath | pinky: sharing giving contributing |
| 23:22.13 | dtech | Knorrie: ya took me a week of off and on searching before I figured it out. I also had no other kernel to revert to so I had to do it in a chroot |
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| 23:22.49 | pinky | abrotman: Yes, but it was economically and practically sensible to ship the source code with mainframes, but then with the evolution of microcomputers this was not so. |
| 23:22.59 | abrotman | pinky: not just mainframes |
| 23:23.03 | dtech | which I found out later wasnt necessary because you can just mount the drive and point to the files needed |
| 23:23.21 | pinky | minicomputers? |
| 23:23.24 | alpha255 | pinky iirc, rms helped with all the gnu stuff and linux is the kernel... correct me if I'm wrong group |
| 23:23.53 | launch | any channel about gnu/hurd |
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| 23:24.00 | kspath | pinky: PDPs |
| 23:24.02 | pinky | alpha255: I know, I'm not debating that. We're discussing when the modern Free Software movement was born. |
| 23:24.06 | abrotman | !hurd |
| 23:24.06 | dpkg | [hurd] a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://ports.debian.org/ports/hurd for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hug |
| 23:24.16 | alpha255 | pinky ahhh ok |
| 23:24.24 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:24.27 | Knorrie | dtech: on that machine from bug 282141 2.4 did boot fine, but i wanted 2.6... i was suprised to find an answer to my bug report when i woke up next morning :) |
| 23:24.27 | abrotman | !hurd is also #hurd |
| 23:24.36 | pinky | Hahaha |
| 23:24.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tard |
| 23:24.37 | dpkg | well, tard is short for retard; see <gentoo> |
| 23:24.39 | launch | abrotman hurd is good? |
| 23:24.50 | Knorrie | hahahha |
| 23:24.56 | sticky | Wondering if someone could help me with this issue. http://sticky.pastebin.com/687938 |
| 23:24.56 | alpha255 | dpkg doh |
| 23:24.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, doh is what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
| 23:24.59 | abrotman | launch: ask them |
| 23:25.11 | Knorrie | abrotman: lol |
| 23:25.11 | alpha255 | lol gotta love dpkg |
| 23:25.14 | alpha255 | :) |
| 23:25.21 | Knorrie | !reverse roflmao |
| 23:25.21 | kspath | !hate dpkg |
| 23:25.22 | dpkg | I hate dpkg! |
| 23:25.22 | amphi | launch: it's not what you'd call 'fast', or complete, but it's interesting |
| 23:25.25 | StormTide | anyone know how iptables-save is supposed to be setup on etch/sid to make the tables save at shutdown and restore at boot |
| 23:25.35 | minerale | launch: it's good (on paper) |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | StormTide: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 23:25.42 | amphi | launch: runs ok under qemu, FWIW |
| 23:25.45 | pinky | Argh, so does *anyone* have experience installing the ftgl-dev package on Debian? And how it wants to uninstall x-window-system-core? |
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| 23:26.27 | sticky | Did anyone check my link I pasted. I need to get it fixed :) |
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| 23:27.39 | alpha255 | neat stuf |
| 23:27.41 | alpha255 | f |
| 23:27.51 | dtech | i find qemu interesting since I enjoy vmware |
| 23:27.52 | abrotman | sticky: don't mix sources |
| 23:27.54 | minerale | parted is not letting me created an xfs partition, (simply greyed out) is something special required for it? |
| 23:27.56 | dtech | I havent tried it though |
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| 23:28.06 | minerale | created/create |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | probably have to load the module for xfs |
| 23:28.35 | Knorrie | sticky: are you mixing releases? |
| 23:28.36 | abrotman | dpkg: feed me |
| 23:28.38 | sticky | abrotman: heh, I'm not the one who did it :) now I' |
| 23:28.40 | sticky | m trying to fix it |
| 23:28.41 | abrotman | dpkg: you rock! |
| 23:28.42 | dpkg | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | sticky: learn how to pin .. or upgrade the box |
| 23:29.18 | dtech | I have a usb memory stick i split in half fat32 and then DSL on the other half was thinging eventually I would try to put qemu on the memory stick so i could run my DSL in Windows too.. not sure if thats doable but seems like it would be |
| 23:29.28 | sticky | abrotman: they must have installed something newer than from 3.1? |
| 23:29.35 | abrotman | sticky: aren't you the admin ? |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | sticky: paste your sources |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:29.49 | minerale | abrotman: is it a linux module? (xfs support) ... or a 'gparted' module? |
| 23:30.02 | sticky | Yeah, it's my box, I think someone else used dpkg to install whatever |
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| 23:30.05 | sticky | one sec |
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| 23:30.15 | abrotman | minerale: modprobe xfs ? |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | sticky: you mean you gave someone else root :) |
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| 23:30.36 | Knorrie | sticky: "it's my box, I think someone else used dpkg" <- ermmmmm |
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| 23:30.46 | Knorrie | sticky: policy! |
| 23:30.56 | abrotman | policy? .. try a gun :) |
| 23:30.59 | sticky | http://sticky.pastebin.com/687947 |
| 23:31.01 | sticky | lol |
| 23:31.09 | sticky | abrotman: and yes |
| 23:31.18 | sticky | I did give another person root to take care of the box |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | sticky: apt-cache policy libc6 .. please |
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| 23:31.31 | sticky | my step father died yesterday, and I've been trying to get everything back to normal |
| 23:31.36 | sticky | ok, one minute |
| 23:31.50 | abrotman | he was your admin ? |
| 23:32.00 | sticky | No, second in charge |
| 23:32.15 | sticky | http://sticky.pastebin.com/687948 |
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| 23:32.58 | Knorrie | sticky: some n00b at someone (who should not see a root pompt users) at a box from a customer of mine issued a command some weeks ago that emptied /lib ... |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 23:33.16 | Knorrie | sticky: i had to go to the colocation and fix that machine |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | sticky: apt-cache policy libgcc1 |
| 23:33.53 | SimonRaven | fucking hell.... |
| 23:33.59 | sticky | http://sticky.pastebin.com/687951 |
| 23:33.59 | luxi | hi |
| 23:34.08 | abrotman | SimonRaven: but i still love you! |
| 23:34.13 | Knorrie | sticky: dont ever let people who don't know what they're doing access your machine |
| 23:34.27 | abrotman | !info libgcc1 sarge |
| 23:34.29 | abrotman | !info libgcc1 sid |
| 23:34.40 | dpkg | libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:3.4.3-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 23:34.45 | dpkg | libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:4.1.0-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 23:34.56 | abrotman | sticky: that is one seriuosly messed up box |
| 23:35.00 | abrotman | !info libgcc1 etch |
| 23:35.02 | sticky | lol |
| 23:35.10 | dpkg | libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:4.1.0-1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 23:35.11 | abrotman | !info libc6 sarge |
| 23:35.14 | Knorrie | SimonRaven: :) |
| 23:35.15 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 23:35.21 | sticky | abrotman: yeah, and it also has a custom kernel lol |
| 23:35.24 | Knorrie | !dpkg++ |
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| 23:35.31 | sticky | 2.6.16-4 iirc |
| 23:35.34 | SimonRaven | abrotman: aaw, i love you too bud |
| 23:35.34 | sticky | Linux m00 2.6.16.4 #5 Fri Apr 14 19:11:31 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | sticky: you're in serious trouble |
| 23:35.46 | abrotman | SimonRaven: are you going to smoke me now? |
| 23:35.47 | Knorrie | sticky: :( |
| 23:36.09 | SimonRaven | abrotman: nah, just finished one |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:36.22 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:36.25 | sticky | Would it be posible to umm... what's the word.. upgrade the box remotely? |
| 23:36.29 | SimonRaven | cig |
| 23:36.33 | thingfish | oh |
| 23:36.40 | SimonRaven | i don't smoke pot anymore |
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| 23:36.50 | abrotman | sticky: oh sure .. but it might not work correctly .. and i'm guessing it's a server |
| 23:37.00 | thingfish | I think I'm going to quit. |
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| 23:37.09 | abrotman | quit #debian ? |
| 23:37.13 | thingfish | oh no |
| 23:37.16 | sticky | Yes it is |
| 23:37.16 | kspath | thingfish: QUITTER! |
| 23:37.27 | abrotman | sticky: what about security updates? |
| 23:37.27 | Azar | thingfish: if you quit you gonna get fat and diabetic |
| 23:37.29 | thingfish | I need to find a job, kspath! |
| 23:37.33 | Knorrie | sticky: Linux m00 <- that should be debian :D |
| 23:37.44 | sticky | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:37.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:37.53 | abrotman | sticky: that's for stable .. not testing/unstable |
| 23:37.58 | Knorrie | !abrotman++ |
| 23:38.11 | sticky | abrotman: the box is 3.1 |
| 23:38.25 | Azar | Knorrie: ++ means + service charge , + tax |
| 23:38.27 | Knorrie | sticky: 3.1 does have 2.6.8 |
| 23:38.51 | sticky | Knorrie: Yes, but the only way we could fix a date issue was to compile our own kernel (the hardware is ghetto) |
| 23:39.01 | Knorrie | Azar: just put it on the bill.... my boss pays |
| 23:39.03 | kspath | thingfish: I do as well thingfish! I am unemployed and I am a luser also. |
| 23:39.11 | SimonRaven | i know all about ghetto h/w |
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| 23:39.17 | Knorrie | sticky: what date issue? |
| 23:39.18 | VanacaErkan | newbie needs help! how do I boot kde instead of Gnome? |
| 23:39.35 | SimonRaven | you don't boot a DE |
| 23:39.37 | kspath | VanacaErkan: KDE is installed? |
| 23:39.40 | Azar | sticky: even Debian woody handles getto hardware |
| 23:39.50 | VanacaErkan | kspath, yes |
| 23:39.56 | kspath | Azar: ghetto h is silent |
| 23:40.00 | sticky | Knorrie: well, problems with AMD64 stuff, ghetto hardware (the server place gave us a server with ATi stuff) and problems with SATA, and the date going 3x faster than it should |
| 23:40.02 | VanacaErkan | kspath, synaptic shows so |
| 23:40.18 | kspath | VanacaErkan: Are you using xdm or gdm or kdm? |
| 23:40.48 | VanacaErkan | kdm |
| 23:40.49 | kspath | VanacaErkan: Did you gdm or kdm have a menu for making a choice? |
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| 23:41.14 | Knorrie | sticky: sorry, i think i haven't got sufficient experience with that hardware/issues :| |
| 23:41.18 | thingfish | you really don't fully appreciate Debian until you try other distros. |
| 23:41.26 | VanacaErkan | kspath, it seems I can chose at the initial login thanks |
| 23:41.29 | Knorrie | thingfish: heh |
| 23:41.31 | sticky | so basically we were forced to do our own kernel, and now apt is screwed up.. :/ So does that mean I have to go through and manually update it to sid, or call up the datacenter and have a Debian reload? |
| 23:41.38 | Knorrie | thingfish: +++ |
| 23:41.42 | Azar | sticky the way I know, testing is getting "some" security updates, via a special source, but unstable not |
| 23:41.47 | SimonRaven | i briefly tried yellowdog. it gave me the shivers. |
| 23:41.49 | kspath | thingfish: I did that for years before settling on debian mostly. |
| 23:42.16 | Azar | sticky: just comment the security line in /apt/sources.list, that one is for stable |
| 23:42.34 | SimonRaven | /etc/apt |
| 23:42.36 | thingfish | kspath: in the past week I've tried ubuntu 5.10 and fedora core 5. it has been a horrible, exhausting week. |
| 23:42.51 | Azar | SimonRaven: oh yes, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:42.57 | thingfish | I don't know how those people do it. |
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| 23:43.23 | thingfish | it's like their conception of linux includes the concept 'broken'. |
| 23:43.37 | thingfish | anyway... |
| 23:43.40 | SimonRaven | ...when it doesn't have to be ... |
| 23:43.46 | kspath | thingfish: Most of that is knowing what/where/when/how. You get spoiled when you have mastered a distribution/OS. You forget what it is like to be the new person that is almost clueless or worse the person that thinks they know stuff because. |
| 23:44.01 | luxi | anyone knows somthing about webcams? |
| 23:44.08 | thingfish | kspath: oh I agree. |
| 23:44.11 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.16 | SimonRaven | they take pictures |
| 23:44.17 | icyfire0573 | they display pictures across the network! |
| 23:44.28 | Knorrie | icyfire0573: w0000000t |
| 23:44.30 | Knorrie | ;) |
| 23:44.36 | icyfire0573 | :-) |
| 23:44.38 | dtech | motion + webcam = great fun |
| 23:44.40 | Knorrie | lol |
| 23:44.42 | luxi | ohm i mean under sarge |
| 23:44.42 | JerJer[mobile] | is there some trick to make iptables work on a netinstall version of debian ? |
| 23:44.47 | thingfish | dammit I'm not cooking tonight. |
| 23:44.50 | thingfish | it's pizza. |
| 23:44.55 | icyfire0573 | what about webcams? |
| 23:44.57 | sticky | Azar: and then do what? |
| 23:45.05 | luxi | dont work with sarge |
| 23:45.12 | thingfish | :) |
| 23:45.18 | icyfire0573 | thats great, is it a driver issue or is it a userland issue? |
| 23:45.20 | luxi | spca5xx-driver is needet |
| 23:45.24 | Azar | sticky, I did not follow all your story, are you still on stable, or went up in testing or unstable? |
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| 23:45.35 | SimonRaven | thingfish: i'm starting to get worried (6 nations) |
| 23:45.43 | sticky | Azar: Im still in stable, but stuff broke :) Here I'll get you the paste |
| 23:45.44 | kspath | Knorrie: Thank you. :-) |
| 23:45.44 | thingfish | oh yes! I almost forgot about music. |
| 23:45.47 | roler | What exactly is initrd-tools? |
| 23:45.51 | Knorrie | kspath: :P |
| 23:45.58 | sticky | Azar: http://sticky.pastebin.com/687938 |
| 23:46.06 | thingfish | SimonRaven: oh well I'll check your blog - I thought everything had cooled down. |
| 23:46.13 | luxi | cant find the driver for sarge |
| 23:46.14 | Azar | sticky it is ok so I understand you got the highest and meanest kernel to date, on a Debian stable, you did it backwards man. |
| 23:46.29 | luxi | can someone help? |
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| 23:46.47 | SimonRaven | thingfish: yeh, kinda. for a while. negs are going on, but they're building up opeepee presence |
| 23:46.49 | JerJer[mobile] | luxi: you cannot compile from source? |
| 23:46.54 | kspath | thingfish: It is friday and Molson is on sale. |
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| 23:46.57 | dtech | luxi the spcaxx driver works in sarge and etch both i use it myself, you have to compile the kernel module |
| 23:47.10 | Azar | sticky: is that right? |
| 23:47.27 | thingfish | SimonRaven: man I really really thought canada was different. enlightened and all. |
| 23:47.40 | icyfire0573 | yea, spcaxx didn't make it in time for the sarge packaging cutoff though, so there really arn't debs to be had http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html for the source |
| 23:47.41 | thingfish | hehe kspath yay! |
| 23:47.56 | luxi | JerJer[mobile]: didnt work, dpkg-problem |
| 23:48.18 | SimonRaven | thingfish: hehe. sorry not laughing at you, just the irony ... |
| 23:48.22 | thingfish | I just put away the booze for the night because I decided I'd already had too much. I'm sick of this decadent lifestyle I lead. |
| 23:48.32 | JerJer[mobile] | luxi: are you forced to use sarge? its pretty old |
| 23:48.33 | luxi | JerJer[mobile]: but i didnt compile it |
| 23:48.44 | Azar | sticky: I would say NO to that stew. If you need a higher kernel, you install Debian correctly, then upgrade to etch, get a 2.6.15 kernel and yupeee.. everything will be ok |
| 23:48.56 | SimonRaven | scytheman: sweet fuck all |
| 23:49.01 | thingfish | SimonRaven: too bad it wasn't the first nations people that had all the viruses, huh. |
| 23:49.06 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:49.17 | luxi | JerJer[mobile]: no i used sid ,but that was to ...well new |
| 23:49.29 | luxi | ist testing okay |
| 23:49.36 | Azar | hey I like Sarge! |
| 23:49.40 | SimonRaven | thingfish: wouldn't have changed much. just numbers of people. |
| 23:49.44 | kspath | thingfish: You and I might not be alive today if it had been. |
| 23:50.03 | thingfish | kspath: well, all my folks would've been over in sunny sicily. |
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| 23:50.15 | pinky | I can't stand sarge... it's too difficult to install the latest stable version of the applications I use. |
| 23:50.20 | Azar | I like Woody too |
| 23:50.21 | thingfish | I"m only like three generations here. |
| 23:50.22 | sticky | Azar: heh, kind of hard to say install debian correctly when the hardware they gave us refused to work with it :) |
| 23:50.27 | kspath | thingfish: Things like that spread. |
| 23:50.34 | thingfish | oh pinky you pitiful thing you. |
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| 23:50.42 | luxi | well sarge is nice, but when you have new hardware |
| 23:50.53 | luxi | is difficult |
| 23:50.53 | sticky | Azar: we had to do a custom kernel to get things fixed, the datacenter we're renting the box from refused to help us :/ |
| 23:50.58 | Azar | sticky: what if you guys burn Etch and install it? (the next Debian distro - testing) ? |
| 23:51.00 | thingfish | true luxi, then you're stuck and have no choice. |
| 23:51.06 | kspath | thingfish: nations died far west for years after contact as it spread to people that are not even known to exist today. |
| 23:51.08 | azeem | the next point release will feature an updated debian-installer and kernel AFAIK |
| 23:51.35 | Azar | ok sticky then let them deal with dependencies :) |
| 23:51.37 | sticky | Azar: sure, suppose we could if the datacenter will honor it, we're in a 6 month contract and nothing says in it about doing a OS reload... so I'll give them a call and see if they can |
| 23:51.49 | pinky | thingfish: I honestly think it's a blatant issue that someone cannot just, say, install Debian stable and then install the latest version of Firefox (1.5.0.2) and have it work for example. |
| 23:52.01 | JerJer[mobile] | # iptables -L -v |
| 23:52.01 | JerJer[mobile] | iptables v1.3.3: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 23:52.02 | kspath | thingfish: some tribes lost 50% and others 90% and some disappeared entirely. |
| 23:52.10 | JerJer[mobile] | what did my netinstall version of debian miss with iptables ?? |
| 23:52.12 | thingfish | pinky: backports.org? |
| 23:52.13 | TeamCanada|Silen | what's the next step after the wiki newbiedoc? |
| 23:52.14 | Azar | sticky: tell them that Sarge is frozen and higher kernels won't fit on it |
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| 23:52.42 | Azar | sticky: the highest kernel in Sarge is 2.6.8 and is an official Debian Kernel, not just "A kernel" |
| 23:52.45 | sticky | heh, Azar they already know that the new kernel fixed it sadly :/ Just now things are broken :/ I'll contact them and let them know regardless |
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| 23:53.20 | Azar | sticky: tell them to give you the Etch (Debian testing) is as good as Sarge, and holds the 2.6.15 kernel |
| 23:53.21 | luxi | Azar: 2.6.8? i have 2.6.12 |
| 23:53.58 | Knorrie | Azar: i'm running 2.6.15 on a sarge box :) |
| 23:54.09 | Knorrie | Azar: from backports.org |
| 23:54.11 | sticky | Azar: indeed, will do. I'll contact them and ask them to copy everything from /home first and throw it all in an SATA drive (Sarge wouldnt work witht hat hardware and SATA) |
| 23:54.23 | Azar | Knorrie: I was talking about the precompiled 2.6.8 offered in repositories |
| 23:54.30 | Knorrie | Azar: true |
| 23:55.02 | luxi | can i switch to testing or should i install complete new? |
| 23:55.03 | Azar | sticky: I guess Etch supports sata, if it already comes with 2.6.15 |
| 23:55.09 | Knorrie | sticky: rsync important stuff to yourself.. don't risk losing data |
| 23:55.13 | Angels2 | Does anybody successfully run cacti on debian sarge (the poller tells me it cant find /rrdtool - looking on the cacti forums for an hour now... sigh) |
| 23:55.14 | abrotman | sarge supports sata |
| 23:55.39 | Azar | uh abrotman, the Sarge CD would not even boot on a SATA PC |
| 23:55.40 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 23:55.40 | dpkg | from memory, testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ , but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ , ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | Azar: sarge supports sata |
| 23:55.53 | Azar | ...at least on my own experience |
| 23:56.03 | SimonRaven | Angels2: it's in /usr/bin |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | i've installed sarge on sata systems |
| 23:56.04 | DragonD | i have a domain "dazoe.net" and i'm configuring a debian server for it. should i set te host name to dazoe.net? |
| 23:56.10 | Azar | abrotman: next time I will ask you the trick |
| 23:56.19 | abrotman | read the manual ? |
| 23:56.26 | Azar | I had to go in BIOS and turn off SATA |
| 23:56.31 | Angels2 | SimonRaven: yes i know, but it searches in / for some reasons |
| 23:56.40 | Knorrie | DragonD: if the hostname points to your ip address.... yes |
| 23:56.48 | luxi | can i switch to testing or should i install complete new? |
| 23:56.49 | Angels2 | SimonRaven: And i dont want to do the dirty solution of symlinking :) |
| 23:57.25 | pilgrim | Is qmail not in sarge? |
| 23:57.31 | SimonRaven | Angels2: is this a debain cacti, or your install? |
| 23:57.32 | Angels2 | it is |
| 23:57.32 | pilgrim | ..repos |
| 23:57.39 | Angels2 | SimonRaven: my install |
| 23:57.42 | Azar | hey sticky: waht if you go in /etc/apt/sources.list and change the "stable" instance with "testing" , save it then do a : aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade? huh? you gonna get in etch |
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| 23:57.49 | pilgrim | Angels2, what's it called |
| 23:58.10 | SimonRaven | pilgrim: qmail-src. it's non-free |
| 23:58.13 | JerJer[mobile] | iptables v1.3.3: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) any clue what i missed ??? |
| 23:58.13 | pilgrim | Knorrie, you got a problem with qmail pal? |
| 23:58.20 | sticky | Azar: indeed, it wouldnt boot with the sata drives |
| 23:58.20 | Knorrie | pilgrim: heh |
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| 23:58.32 | SimonRaven | debian* |
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| 23:58.45 | pilgrim | SimonRaven, oh I see. |
| 23:58.50 | luxi | Azar: that was my question, too. can i just switch to etch from sarge? |
| 23:58.55 | SimonRaven | Angels2: eh, get the debian one. at least it works (okayish) |
| 23:59.03 | Azar | luxi you can, if I could |
| 23:59.21 | Angels2 | SimonRaven: either that or i do some dirty symlinking >< |
| 23:59.22 | luxi | Azar: no problems? |
| 23:59.57 | Azar | no problems here at all |
