| 00:00.13 | Azar | but then again... I do not use kde or gnome, I do not know how fussy they are |
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| 00:00.22 | Knorrie | luxi: you can... but etch isn't stable like stable is in debian.. so you got to track security problems yourself and be prepared to anything... |
| 00:00.38 | pinky | What is the default 2.6.x kernel in etch? |
| 00:00.43 | Azar | 2.6.15 |
| 00:00.46 | pinky | thanks |
| 00:00.47 | luxi | witch kde-version is it in etch? |
| 00:01.00 | luxi | 3.4? |
| 00:01.10 | SimonRaven | Angels2: at least it isn't asking for ./rrdtool ... |
| 00:01.13 | SimonRaven | Angels2: heh |
| 00:01.29 | SimonRaven | !tell luxi about pdo |
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| 00:02.01 | Angels2 | SimonRaven: i'll give it a try :) |
| 00:02.12 | abrotman | !info kdebase etch |
| 00:02.15 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 00:02.19 | abrotman | luxi: try packages.debian.org next time |
| 00:02.19 | luxi | thanks |
| 00:02.27 | sticky | Azar: I beleive this is the iso I need? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso |
| 00:02.38 | SimonRaven | would be better if you traced the error, and fixed that. |
| 00:02.54 | pilgrim | SimonRaven, apt-cache show qmail-src says "nope" or something like that. |
| 00:02.54 | pilgrim | I don't _need_ qmail but I remember it being easier than exim4. |
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| 00:03.05 | pilgrim | hm...CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? HELLOOOO ELLOOOO ELLOOO OOO OOOO! |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | qmail ? wtf |
| 00:03.08 | sticky | pilgrim: I did hehe :) |
| 00:03.19 | SimonRaven | pilgrim: you need contrib non-free |
| 00:03.24 | abrotman | i heard they give out qmail CDs at S&M parties |
| 00:03.26 | sticky | I've been kicked for being an asshat when I broke apt on my old server w/ qmail |
| 00:03.30 | kspath | pilgrim: I can not hear you. |
| 00:03.39 | SimonRaven | abrotman: some people's children ... |
| 00:03.41 | pilgrim | kspath, turn down the music then. sheesh |
| 00:03.49 | sticky | qmail is nice though :) |
| 00:03.52 | alpha255 | \exit |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | windows user! |
| 00:04.07 | kspath | sticky: nice to point and laugh at? |
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| 00:04.16 | kspath | sticky: just kidding, mostly. |
| 00:04.24 | alpha255 | drat.. first time using this irc client |
| 00:04.25 | alpha255 | sorry |
| 00:04.31 | DragonD | i installed webmin with aptitude and tried dpkg-reconfigure webmin and it said the package was broken |
| 00:04.32 | sticky | nope, I like qmail :) we use it on our freebsd servers lol |
| 00:04.37 | SimonRaven | !\exit is <reply>this isn't windows. do /exit or /quit |
| 00:04.38 | dpkg | ...but exit is already something else... |
| 00:04.51 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
| 00:04.51 | pilgrim | kspath, what are you using right now? |
| 00:04.54 | abrotman | \\exit ? |
| 00:05.00 | Knorrie | SimonRaven: lol |
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| 00:05.02 | SimonRaven | !\\exit is <reply>this isn't windows. do /exit or /quit |
| 00:05.02 | dpkg | SimonRaven: okay |
| 00:05.10 | tim_flatus | DragonD, Lol |
| 00:05.13 | kspath | pilgrim: sendmail postfix and exim |
| 00:05.14 | SimonRaven | !\exit |
| 00:05.14 | dpkg | this isn't windows. do /exit or /quit |
| 00:05.20 | DragonD | tim_flatus: lol? |
| 00:05.23 | SimonRaven | w00t |
| 00:05.24 | abrotman | !beer SimonRaven |
| 00:05.30 | abrotman | woohoo! |
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| 00:05.48 | tim_flatus | DragonD, seems the general opinion on webmin round here is that it IS broken. |
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| 00:05.53 | pilgrim | kspath, know much about exim? I want to setup smtp auth. |
| 00:05.59 | Azar | sticky I do not know about AMD64 but I see many people using it |
| 00:06.10 | SimonRaven | abrotman: it ocurred to me a second before i saw your msg |
| 00:06.11 | DragonD | tim_flatus: huh? |
| 00:06.16 | kspath | pilgrim: I do not assist with MTAs. I am an unemployed sysadmin mailadmin. |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | SimonRaven: hehe |
| 00:06.28 | sticky | I dont like webmin ;x |
| 00:06.36 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 00:06.36 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 00:06.42 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 00:06.49 | pilgrim | kspath, oh great. another one of your type. |
| 00:07.12 | kspath | pilgrim: What is "your type"? |
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| 00:07.28 | abrotman | kspath: you know .. smart people who got screwed by idiots from ITT |
| 00:07.38 | pilgrim | kspath, exim victim. |
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| 00:08.10 | Thanatermesis | the date's for the releases of debian, how works actually ? |
| 00:08.10 | pilgrim | lol @ Azar |
| 00:08.21 | Ronin | Thanatermesis: when its ready ;) |
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| 00:08.30 | kspath | abrotman: I do not blame ITT. I blame the industry and our current lack of logical/moral/ethical/intelligent management and leaders. |
| 00:08.38 | SimonRaven | i'm like "look ma, i haven't messed with exim in a month!" |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: WIR, SIYH |
| 00:09.04 | Thanatermesis | Ronin yes but... i have read a thing about the releases of debian... previsted for every 6 months, this is "true" ? |
| 00:09.16 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 00:09.18 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 00:09.35 | Ronin | thanks abrotman |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | where's vorlon .. we need an update! |
| 00:09.35 | kspath | abrotman: Layoffs and off shoring and out sourcing are considered standard practice to increase profits while giving executives large sums of money. |
| 00:09.50 | Azar | Thanatermesis: that for is ubuntu: for quickies |
| 00:10.02 | SimonRaven | giving themselves large sums and getting larger |
| 00:10.27 | abrotman | !kill every damn dog in my neighborhood |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | they all sit around all night and bark at each other |
| 00:10.41 | Ronin | heh nice one |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | perhaps i should really kill the owners |
| 00:10.49 | GoCooL | Knorrie: no change whatsoever, i still get the same "kernel panic" message |
| 00:11.03 | kspath | abrotman: There is also the buzzword - herd mentality. Ignorant people hear of a "new thing" and are willing to hire people to implement it without knowing what "it" is. |
| 00:11.07 | Thanatermesis | Azar i don't want/like ubuntu :) |
| 00:11.16 | GoCooL | i guess i've spent way too much time without any luck, i give up |
| 00:11.22 | abrotman | kspath: but eweek said it is good! |
| 00:11.27 | Azar | Thanatermesis: then be patient and wait for the good one to come up |
| 00:11.29 | DragonD | ok anyways, i installed debian localy and installed webmin and i used ssl from the moment i installed it. but on my server is is not using ssl |
| 00:11.33 | DragonD | why? |
| 00:11.38 | kspath | !eweeksmite abrotman |
| 00:11.49 | abrotman | DragonD: just use 'vi' .. webmin is hard |
| 00:11.51 | pilgrim | postfix! |
| 00:11.51 | pilgrim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.59 | pilgrim | oopps! |
| 00:12.04 | Thanatermesis | Azar but what is the "planed" idea about the releases ? why don't make this a little more "organized" ? |
| 00:12.05 | SimonRaven | !stupidsmite management |
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| 00:12.29 | abrotman | SimonRaven: /msg dpkg sns syndrome |
| 00:12.35 | DragonD | abrotman: are you saying don't use webmin at all? |
| 00:12.38 | SimonRaven | 'planned'; i don't think you want to plane your ideas ... |
| 00:12.40 | abrotman | uh .. hell no |
| 00:12.43 | Azar | Thanatermesis: what do you want? we debian people are rebels, don't like rules and regulations |
| 00:12.56 | Thanatermesis | hahahaha :) |
| 00:13.06 | kspath | abrotman: There is also a lot of FUD going around about how this or that reduces costs but most often it ends up costing the same or more. |
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| 00:13.24 | Thanatermesis | Azar but debian has very good organized rules in their packages :) |
| 00:13.25 | SimonRaven | usually more |
| 00:13.41 | Azar | Thanatermesis: one more reason not to rush things up |
| 00:13.53 | SimonRaven | esp. long-term. also short term |
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| 00:14.05 | kspath | VoIP is a hilarious one. |
| 00:14.06 | Azar | I am happy from the Woody up to Etch |
| 00:14.19 | duncf | hey does anybody know how I can force a certain kernel module to be loaded in my initrd? |
| 00:14.45 | Azar | Thanatermesis: want to hear a secret? |
| 00:15.13 | Thanatermesis | maybe... |
| 00:15.18 | Ronin | Thanatermesis: slow and steady wins the race |
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| 00:15.26 | SimonRaven | afk. need a break from the kbd |
| 00:15.27 | kspath | Sales people lie about how you can use your same bandwidth for voice and data. They fail to tell you that now you are spliting a pipe between two major services whereas before it was only the one internet before. |
| 00:15.43 | Serial | Thanatermesis: Hi |
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| 00:15.59 | Azar | ..well if you play nice and stay with the rules, you can be as happy with Etch as with Sarge.. I upgraded and don't see any inconvenience |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | SimonRaven: slacker! |
| 00:16.12 | kspath | No point in me pointing it out. The people that do not understand will not and the others that know already know about it. |
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| 00:16.28 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yeh, so? :P |
| 00:16.29 | Thanatermesis | ok... |
| 00:16.33 | abrotman | SimonRaven: get me a beer! |
| 00:16.40 | Angels2 | SimonRaven: Same problem with the debian cacti packages (fun fun fun) :) |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | kspath: damn right! |
| 00:16.44 | Thanatermesis | i explain more my "problem" for you understand better... |
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| 00:17.02 | SimonRaven | Angels2: *shrug*. sorry |
| 00:17.07 | Thanatermesis | im making a distro, but i have little problems with the diferents releases of debian (problems.. for call it with a name) |
| 00:17.20 | Angels2 | SimonRaven: np :) will try until i find a solution :) |
| 00:17.34 | kspath | Thanatermesis: call it "Late for dinner" |
| 00:17.39 | Thanatermesis | if i use sarge, sarge is a little "too old" when are released is also a little old, i don't speak then "for after" |
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| 00:17.41 | Azar | :) |
| 00:17.51 | abrotman | kspath: you'll buy anything that has that logo! |
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| 00:18.16 | Thanatermesis | if i use "etch", the problem is to i need to upgrade my packages/system everytime when enter new pacakges from ETCH (btw, good work, a lot of packages enter everymoment fastly :)) |
| 00:18.20 | Azar | Thanatermesis: depending on what are you working at, define "too old" |
| 00:18.25 | kspath | abrotman: I sometimes wear my debian branded beer googles. |
| 00:18.39 | abrotman | kspath: i've got a thong! |
| 00:18.43 | Thanatermesis | if i use SID, this is too much unstable (sometimes) and not very secure for the end-user (and more bad for the "newbie" end-user) |
| 00:18.47 | kspath | ewww |
| 00:18.54 | thingfish | plus this whole thing of "new is better" is just crap. try either ubuntu or fedora core, you'll see. |
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| 00:19.07 | kspath | thingfish: hehehe |
| 00:19.10 | uau | updating to xserver-xorg 7.0.15 fails with "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10", anyone else seen that or know the reason? |
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| 00:19.14 | thingfish | sarge works and is solid as the rock of gibralter. |
| 00:19.15 | abrotman | thingfish: like you've ever used fedora! |
| 00:19.29 | thingfish | abrotman: I did today, for 6 hours! |
| 00:19.37 | dvs | thingfish: except with Intel 9xx chipset ;-) |
| 00:19.38 | thingfish | then I threw up and reinstalled sarge. |
| 00:19.45 | kspath | abrotman: a thong is just butt floss with a handle. it is icky |
| 00:19.46 | amphi | heh |
| 00:19.46 | sinisterr | anyone know how i can get rid of a frozen exim4 email on my server? |
| 00:19.54 | abrotman | kspath: i'm joking |
| 00:20.00 | abrotman | sinisterr: remove it from the queue |
| 00:20.07 | sinisterr | how? |
| 00:20.08 | abrotman | thingfish: go back to #fedora! .. quitter! |
| 00:20.09 | kspath | abrotman: I am thankful it was a joke. |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | sinisterr: rm ? |
| 00:20.15 | Thanatermesis | Azar i define "too old" for sarge (or stable release) for things similar to kernel version, X version, support for laptops (sinaptics, wifi, configuration things and packages related), but of course for libs and similar things, and finally for the versions of the programs to sometimes the users like's to have "the last version" |
| 00:20.22 | sinisterr | k |
| 00:20.40 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: no . users don't know |
| 00:20.45 | thingfish | abrotman: I did red hat from rh7 on to fedora core 3...I've paid my dues, no thanks. |
| 00:20.50 | abrotman | thingfish: hehe |
| 00:20.53 | Azar | :) Thanatermesis : I upgraded to etch but I stick with xfree86 , lilo and "old" things |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | thingfish: bring back emily! |
| 00:21.00 | thingfish | I thought all linux had to be broken, until I tried Debian. |
| 00:21.26 | StormTide | abrotman that got me 90% of the way, but |
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| 00:21.32 | maq0r | hi guys |
| 00:21.37 | StormTide | how do you get /etc/networks/interfaces to call the run-parts programs |
| 00:21.58 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 00:21.59 | Thanatermesis | abrotman yeah... i know... but what i can make with the users ? kill it ? :) |
| 00:21.59 | kspath | thingfish: I do not mind trying those on other machines but my workstation(s) need to just work. |
| 00:22.06 | StormTide | abrotman cuz its not calling em? |
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| 00:22.13 | epos85 | hello |
| 00:22.14 | maq0r | I have a small question, has anyone used some sort of screen cap software that let's you sort of make videos of you using something? I want to demonstrate how to use GIMP and I would like to make a .avi of how to access several options |
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| 00:22.21 | abrotman | StormTide: to setup your firewall ? |
| 00:22.25 | StormTide | ya |
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| 00:22.33 | StormTide | to get it to call the scripts in if-pre-up.d |
| 00:22.35 | abrotman | maq0r: there's something in debian for that |
| 00:22.38 | StormTide | and if-post-down.d |
| 00:22.44 | abrotman | StormTide: but why runparts? |
| 00:22.51 | maq0r | really? you know the name of the application? |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | apt-cache search video desktop ? |
| 00:23.01 | StormTide | abrotman thats what it tells me to do in that readme |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | !info istanbul |
| 00:23.13 | maq0r | Is it in stable? |
| 00:23.14 | thingfish | kspath: I only have the one machine, and while in my younger days I enjoyed chasing down bugs, now that I'm crotchety and rigid I need everything to *just work*. |
| 00:23.16 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 00:23.18 | abrotman | !info istanbul sarge |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:23.31 | kspath | thingfish: exactly |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | StormTide: ok .. a bit odd . but ok .. |
| 00:23.40 | TeamCanada|Silen | is it possible to create a webserver using your ip... say you forward port 80 to your server and you go to.. a library and access <ip>:80, will that work? |
| 00:23.52 | abrotman | StormTide: you can use pre-up to call anyhting you want .. have it call a script that does all these things |
| 00:24.00 | Azar | TeamCanada|Silen: if your ISP allows you |
| 00:24.04 | TeamCanada|Silen | cool |
| 00:24.16 | StormTide | abrotman well, thats what i thought, but its saying it uses ifup or something |
| 00:24.23 | Azar | my ISP rocks it let me do whatever I want |
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| 00:24.35 | liable | TeamCanada|Silen: you might want to check out dyndns or one of the other free dns services. |
| 00:24.38 | thingfish | I mean I really think a valid MOMA exhibit should be a nice, gorgeous, modern computer, with some version of Debian installed on it. |
| 00:24.54 | abrotman | thingfish: in st louis ? |
| 00:25.10 | DragonD | when tring to do "apt-get install webmin" i get the error: miniserv.pem: No such file or directory |
| 00:25.10 | thingfish | abrotman: no, in NYC! you know, museum of modern art. |
| 00:25.21 | DragonD | Am i doing something wrong? |
| 00:25.34 | abrotman | i missed the cezanne exhibit :( |
| 00:25.41 | thingfish | ooh cezanne is pretty |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | aye |
| 00:25.53 | Azar | cezanne in modern art? how modern? |
| 00:25.53 | StormTide | abrotman line 106 of /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.DEbian |
| 00:26.06 | StormTide | how do you read that |
| 00:26.14 | thingfish | Azar: post renaissance is good enough for me. |
| 00:26.17 | StormTide | cuz i read it like any .sh script i throw in those dirs should get called |
| 00:26.31 | Azar | StormTide: "less" is the command to view/read a file |
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| 00:26.43 | epos85 | err... ive got a broadcom wlan card(bcm4318)... im trying debian on my laptop.. have used mandriva for a while.. question: have anyone else the same wlan interface? and if so, have 'you' ever managed to get the ndiswrapper to set the doze-driver up? well... ndiswrapper her says that the driver and hardware is present, but no wlan0 is present in iwconfig |
| 00:26.55 | StormTide | Azar take what i said a little less literally |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | StormTide: is the script +x ? |
| 00:27.09 | Azar | thingfish: I love cezanne but I would think would be a classic art |
| 00:27.10 | pilgrim | ReiserFS is journaled FS right? |
| 00:27.11 | StormTide | yep |
| 00:27.12 | epos85 | in mandriva, the driver works |
| 00:27.23 | pilgrim | StormTide, what that for me? |
| 00:27.23 | Azar | StormTide: haha oh sorry |
| 00:27.31 | thingfish | Azar: maybe I need to check. |
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| 00:27.52 | GoCooL | does anybody have any suggestions for a GUI toolkit to connect to Oracle on Debian? |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | StormTide: i'd guess it should run them all |
| 00:28.15 | StormTide | abrotman my thinking was that i need to add a pre-up hook like to call run-parts |
| 00:28.18 | StormTide | but i might be wrong there |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | i don't think you do |
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| 00:28.46 | GoCooL | I've tried Tora but cannot for the life of me get it to work on Debian as it does not have any native built in support to cennect to oracle |
| 00:28.46 | unity | does anyone know how to make thunderbird export all mail to an mbox file? |
| 00:28.56 | thingfish | ok, right, Azar - he was until 1906 - and anyway his aesthetic was at least proto-modern. |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | thingfish: http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/2005/cezanne_pissarro.html .. REALLY wanted to go .. but didn't |
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| 00:30.15 | thingfish | Azar: saying more, I can't - it's been too long since I've been to an art history class. |
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| 00:30.40 | plb | is there anything you gotta do to setup tv tuner card on debian? |
| 00:31.10 | abrotman | Azar: i'd say it's modern |
| 00:31.35 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah, But you suck. |
| 00:31.44 | thingfish | maybe not modern like picasso, but you can see impressionist influence |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: so i gather ... no flying for me! |
| 00:31.57 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Waaaaaaaaaaaa!!! |
| 00:32.30 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Beer kills germs right? |
| 00:32.41 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: duh |
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| 00:32.43 | thingfish | scarynetworkguy: and lots of beer kills lots of germs! |
| 00:32.46 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
| 00:32.52 | scarynetworkguy | Better and better. |
| 00:32.57 | StormTide | abrotman hrm thats odd, i changed it to call from the file directly and its stillnot called |
| 00:33.00 | StormTide | what could that mean |
| 00:33.15 | scarynetworkguy | That you did it wrong? |
| 00:33.31 | grendelson | Can anyone point me to a tutorial or docs on how to get Alsa to stay resident after a reboot (debian testing..) thanks |
| 00:33.51 | abrotman | StormTide: misspelled it ? |
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| 00:34.34 | abrotman | !tell maq0r about away |
| 00:34.38 | StormTide | abrotman file looks like... iface eth0 inet dhcp\n\tpre-up /etc/firewall.up.sh\n\tpost-down /etc/firewall.down.sh |
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| 00:34.59 | StormTide | both files _are_ marked executable |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | StormTide: little known fact .. run-parts can't handle filenames with a |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | "." in it |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | thingfish: i missed it! |
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| 00:35.47 | Azar | grendelson: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 00:35.57 | StormTide | abrotman now yeh tell me =p |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | StormTide: how was i to know you were using file extensions in unix .. sheesh |
| 00:36.23 | StormTide | heh |
| 00:36.27 | StormTide | works like a charm now |
| 00:36.31 | grendelson | Azar - right I did that and alsa-checklist - but I still can;t seem to get it to survive - I must be messing up the "keep OSS modules from loading - Not sure exactly what to do there... |
| 00:36.35 | owh | Can anyone help me with my challenge with multiple apt sources as outlined here: http://pastebin.com/688003 |
| 00:36.36 | StormTide | thanks abrotman |
| 00:36.42 | dvs | abrotman: You're suppose to be psychic |
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| 00:37.07 | Azar | grendelson: you could blacklist the oss module from /etc/modules and replace it with the alsa module |
| 00:37.22 | abrotman | dvs: i tried that .. leads to drinking |
| 00:37.48 | dvs | abrotman: See, you're psychic. You know it leads to drinking. ;-) |
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| 00:37.59 | grendelson | Azar: Ahh that's where I'm getting goofed up - I honestly am not sure what the OSS module is vs the alsa module, there is such a string of modules, not sure hwich are oss, which are alsa and which are alsa-oss emulation? |
| 00:38.02 | abrotman | dvs: do you know how many people think i'm an asshole?! |
| 00:38.09 | thingfish | oh no |
| 00:38.14 | abrotman | thingfish: i missed it!!!! |
| 00:38.22 | ltordsen | join #fedora |
| 00:38.42 | thingfish | haha caught you ltordsen |
| 00:38.47 | thingfish | traitor traitor |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:38.57 | ltordsen | :o) |
| 00:39.00 | ltordsen | sorry |
| 00:39.01 | Azar | grendelson: find the oss module for your audio driver (its name) and #comment it out in /etc/modules then find out the name of your alsa module : snd_? and add it in the /etc/module list |
| 00:39.22 | grendelson | Azar - I will give it a try. |
| 00:39.24 | Azar | grendelson: what audio card you have? |
| 00:39.25 | owh | thingfish: ltordsen is just trying to figure out how to install Debian over Fedora :-) |
| 00:39.37 | grendelson | SB live - uses emu10k1 I think |
| 00:39.39 | thingfish | owh: well that's easy enough. |
| 00:39.45 | grendelson | Azar SB live - uses emu10k1 I think |
| 00:40.02 | Azar | grendelson: you know what is the alsa module for it? |
| 00:40.19 | dvs | Azar: snd_emu10k1? Just a guess. ;-) |
| 00:40.31 | Azar | :) dvs it makes sense |
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| 00:40.46 | grendelson | Yes snd_emu10k1 but I |
| 00:41.00 | Azar | grendelson: use a paster paste the content of your /etc/modules for me |
| 00:41.16 | grendelson | m not sure what the oss module is, also do I just add that (snd_emu10k1) to etc/modules and then it loads all the list of other modules it uses? |
| 00:41.24 | grendelson | Azar : OK thanks |
| 00:41.36 | Azar | no |
| 00:41.51 | Azar | grendelson: question: you said you could use alsa from time to time.. |
| 00:41.53 | thingfish | damn I could almost eat catfish again tonight. |
| 00:42.24 | ltordsen | i actually just tried out fc5 as of right now |
| 00:42.32 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 00:42.37 | owh | I didn't think that my apt question was that hard, or am I deeper into black voodoo than I realise? |
| 00:42.46 | TeamCanada|Silen | how much space does a default debian server install take up? |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | thingfish: make me some! |
| 00:42.55 | loggygreg | Azar: grendelson : snd-emu10k1 |
| 00:42.55 | grendelson | Azar; after every boot I run alsaconf and alsamixer and it is flawless until next boot...:-( |
| 00:43.04 | thingfish | abrotman: I have some in the freezer, ready to go! |
| 00:43.23 | RazaMetaL | I' ve a trouble with mplayer and flash from mozilla, the flash movies (i.e. from video.google.com) does not have sound |
| 00:43.28 | thingfish | and plenty of corn meal. |
| 00:43.49 | thingfish | we had collard greens and fried potatoes with it. |
| 00:43.57 | RazaMetaL | and the videos using mozila mplayer plugin does not reproduce the video, but I can download and play using mplayer video.avi |
| 00:44.04 | TeamCanada|Silen | video.google plays avis |
| 00:44.09 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2451. |
| 00:44.22 | TeamCanada|Silen | they are renamed .gvi, but they are avis |
| 00:44.30 | RazaMetaL | TeamCanada|Silen, play with google player and flash |
| 00:44.41 | abrotman | thingfish: frozen fish?!!? |
| 00:44.42 | dvs | grendelson: you need snd_pcm_oss too |
| 00:44.48 | grendelson | Azar: did you see the paste? I already thought I commented out the oss modules? |
| 00:45.18 | thingfish | abrotman: oh sure! frozen can be surprisingly good quality. |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | ewww |
| 00:45.38 | dvs | grendelson: Those weren't oss modules |
| 00:45.43 | thingfish | abrotman: I can't always make it downtown to get fresh. |
| 00:45.50 | abrotman | thingfish: go to the river! |
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| 00:45.53 | loggygreg | grendelson: change snd_emu10k1 to snd-emu10k1 |
| 00:45.53 | grendelson | dvs: shoudl snd_mixer_oss be in modules? |
| 00:45.59 | thingfish | abrotman: there you go, that's an idea. |
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| 00:46.07 | dvs | grendelson: it will automatically be loaded. |
| 00:46.07 | Azar | grendelson: one moment |
| 00:46.17 | dvs | loggygreg: That doesn't matter |
| 00:46.21 | sinisterr | TeamCanada|Silen: about this much |
| 00:46.25 | sinisterr | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 00:46.25 | sinisterr | /dev/hda1 18880388 513268 17408044 3% / |
| 00:46.25 | sinisterr | tmpfs 63580 0 63580 0% /dev/shm |
| 00:46.34 | loggygreg | dvs: ok didn't know, thanks |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | thingfish: i bet the river is clean! |
| 00:46.47 | thingfish | man, this place I used to fish - you could throw in your line and darn near pull out a channel cat in less than 5 minutes. we got 20 one day in probably less than 2 hours. |
| 00:47.09 | diogo86 | hi. i'm running debian testing but amarok and konqueror are not recognizing meta information for audio files. what might be missing? dependencies are ok. |
| 00:47.38 | Azar | grendelson: noooo, anything starting with snd_ is alsa, uncomment them |
| 00:47.48 | thingfish | abrotman: some around here are, although really, you're better off going for one of the many lakes in this area. |
| 00:48.09 | AngelGabriel | Does a router built with linux send RIP packets by default? If not, how can i get it to do so? |
| 00:48.13 | Azar | grendelson: I do not see any oss module for your sound there, so after you uncomment the last two, you should be ok |
| 00:48.16 | grendelson | Azar: OK I got that now :-) so now I don't see ay oss modules in modules? So not sure why alsoa not working after reboot? |
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| 00:48.45 | owh | thingfish: Likely your fishing of 20 in one day and that of your fellow villagers caused the fish to become scarce. |
| 00:48.46 | nethenfoo | AngelGabriel , you may want to look at gated |
| 00:48.56 | dvs | grendelson: Are you part of the audio group? |
| 00:49.07 | grendelson | dvs: yes |
| 00:49.21 | Azar | grendelson: it should but if you use kde, gnome and I do not know what player, I am not sure what is going on, I do not use kde/gnome stuff |
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| 00:49.27 | dvs | grendelson: Then the only other thing I can think of is the mixer |
| 00:49.32 | grendelson | I ran through whole checklist - IS it possible something in /etc/discoer.conf is wrong? |
| 00:49.36 | thingfish | owh: not hardly. this pond was thick with catfish. |
| 00:50.04 | dvs | grendelson: Ah. discover is probably loading the OSS module |
| 00:50.11 | grendelson | Azar: Yeah I made sure I turned off artsd or esound in gnome (unchecked enable souns) |
| 00:50.18 | owh | thingfish: The thing is, it *was*, so something killed them off. |
| 00:50.21 | Azar | grendelson: paste your discover file for us to see |
| 00:50.25 | grendelson | OK |
| 00:50.26 | francis | what could cause that, since just updating my sid, i go not sound out of my speakers but only noises from mouse moving and keyboard typing, i can play with the mixer, everything sounds ok but there is no sound |
| 00:50.53 | francis | and when under root it mpg321 says: cant find a suitable libao driver |
| 00:51.00 | thingfish | owh: I'm not the type to rape nature. I guarantee you, there were a zillion catfish left in that pond. |
| 00:51.21 | thingfish | we could've pulled out 20 more and not made a dent. |
| 00:51.24 | owh | thingfish: Not just you, but everyone else who fished there. |
| 00:51.32 | thingfish | owh: it was private land. |
| 00:51.38 | owh | Ah |
| 00:51.54 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2452. Discover.conf |
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| 00:52.33 | dvs | grendelson: skip emu10k1 would be nice |
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| 00:53.13 | Azar | yep, dvs is right again! :) |
| 00:53.19 | dvs | !beer me |
| 00:53.40 | thingfish | a whole liter? |
| 00:53.42 | thingfish | damn |
| 00:53.51 | thingfish | boy's gonna get fucked up. |
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| 00:54.19 | thingfish | hehe Azar |
| 00:54.47 | grendelson | Just to understand - I have emu10k1 in modules but need to purposely blacklist it in /etc/discover.conf? WHy does that matter? Or why is it loading OSS or not letting alsa work? |
| 00:55.07 | dvs | grendelson: that's discover for you |
| 00:55.32 | buu | Is there a good way to make an 'Audio Cd' from a series of mp3s that doesn't involve 800 meg of kde libs? |
| 00:56.05 | Azar | emu10k1 is the oss module that loads by default and blocks the snd_emu10k1 starting. |
| 00:56.18 | grendelson | dvs - was that skip emu10l1 or skip snd_emu10k1? and what is difference? |
| 00:56.20 | Stevie | buu: i have some solutions that require 800 meg of gnome libs |
| 00:56.28 | owh | ROTFL |
| 00:56.33 | grendelson | Azar oops I wasnt looking at screen _ I cant touch type sorry :-) |
| 00:56.35 | Azar | grendelson: snd_ is the alsa you want it |
| 00:56.42 | dvs | grendelson: "skip emu10k1" That won't load the OSS module |
| 00:56.47 | buu | Stevie: That lacks win |
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| 00:57.39 | grendelson | Azar: dvs: Thanks a lot I'll give it a try when I have a moment to reboot (still troubleshooting this darned nvidia locking up) |
| 00:58.09 | grendelson | IS it pretty much whatever the OSS module is the alsa is the same with snd_ prepended? |
| 00:58.17 | grendelson | if "preppended" is a word? |
| 00:58.20 | dvs | grendelson: nope |
| 00:58.23 | Stevie | it is if you drop the extra 'p' |
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| 00:58.30 | Stevie | (prepended) |
| 00:58.38 | dvs | StereoSkit: reppended? ;-) |
| 00:58.39 | Stevie | buu: You could use mpg123 to convert the mp3s back to audio and then cdrecord |
| 00:58.49 | buu | Yeah |
| 00:58.52 | buu | Looks reasonable. |
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| 00:59.15 | Stevie | err |
| 00:59.20 | grendelson | dvs: SO I aold need to google oss and alsa modules seperately as they may have different names (not simepl snd_oss name) |
| 00:59.22 | Stevie | s/back to audio/back to PCM/ |
| 00:59.37 | Azar | dvs, I wonder if grendelson's oss module is not i810_audio by chance.. |
| 00:59.39 | dvs | grendelson: yup |
| 01:00.07 | Azar | dvs just tell me what is the name of your multimedia sound controller please? |
| 01:00.12 | Stevie | is 'aold' a word? |
| 01:00.21 | dvs | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 01:00.24 | Azar | err no dvs sorry : grendelson |
| 01:00.25 | Azar | :) |
| 01:00.28 | Azar | haha |
| 01:00.47 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2453. <- my lsmdo after running alsaconf... |
| 01:00.51 | Azar | dvs yours is i810_audio |
| 01:00.59 | dvs | Azar: yup |
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| 01:01.13 | Azar | grendelson: come back from google and tell me |
| 01:01.15 | grendelson | Stevie, In my non-typing world its close! |
| 01:01.39 | Azar | grendelson: give me a line similar with what dvs gave me |
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| 01:01.51 | dvs | grendelson: What the heck is emu10k1_gp? |
| 01:01.54 | beered | I have ATA-100 7200rmp hard drive. What is my idebus speed supposed to be? |
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| 01:02.00 | grendelson | Azar: I have a SB live (the cheap one) |
| 01:02.01 | krnl`- | hi |
| 01:02.03 | krnl`- | how can i empty the cache of my linux's dns ? |
| 01:02.16 | Azar | grendelson: no give me the entire line for your multimedia audio please |
| 01:02.19 | Azar | please |
| 01:02.24 | grendelson | dvs: You got me: I just run alsaconf and alsamixer and it works.... |
| 01:02.51 | grendelson | Azar: O kone sec - lspci I'm assuming? |
| 01:02.57 | Azar | grendelson: yes |
| 01:02.59 | Azar | :) |
| 01:03.04 | dvs | grendelson: Is there a game port on the back of the card? |
| 01:03.16 | grendelson | 0000:02:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) |
| 01:03.23 | grendelson | 0000:02:05.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 08) |
| 01:03.29 | dvs | bingo! |
| 01:03.34 | grendelson | dvs: yes |
| 01:03.35 | Stevie | beered: well, if your idebus speed drops below 55mb/s, my computer will explode! |
| 01:03.45 | dvs | heh |
| 01:03.58 | grendelson | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05) |
| 01:04.01 | Stevie | Powered by the retirement watch of a former bomb squad expert |
| 01:04.04 | grendelson | I just noticed the above must be built in! |
| 01:04.30 | grendelson | dvs: what's that (bingo?) |
| 01:04.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: btw .. briquolo kicks ass :) |
| 01:04.42 | grendelson | Not what is BINGO I know what bingo is I meant what for ? |
| 01:04.46 | dvs | grendelson: It had a game port in the back |
| 01:04.59 | Stevie | it was his nameo |
| 01:05.03 | Stevie | :) |
| 01:05.09 | dvs | grrrrrrrr |
| 01:05.15 | Azar | I do not see any emu19k1 on the oss list, just sb and kahlua |
| 01:05.25 | beered | Stevie: LOL. My 4200rmp drive with 2MB cache gets 26.73 MB/sec. |
| 01:05.35 | AngelGabriel | does all my NIC interface support multicast or do i need to enable it |
| 01:05.56 | Stevie | beered: Don't forget to shoot the hostage. |
| 01:06.05 | grendelson | Azar: But emu10k1_gp i getting loaded by something... I'll have to google that... |
| 01:06.19 | dvs | grendelson: discover |
| 01:06.23 | grendelson | dvs: does the gameport cause an issue ? |
| 01:06.29 | beered | Is Stevie a bot? |
| 01:06.31 | dvs | grendelson: no |
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| 01:06.44 | grendelson | dvs:? Not sure what what you meant by discover? |
| 01:06.55 | grendelson | jsut skip the intel media in discover? |
| 01:07.00 | dvs | <grendelson> Azar: But emu10k1_gp i getting loaded by something... I'll have to google that... |
| 01:07.26 | Stevie | beered: Some people think so |
| 01:08.03 | grendelson | Ahaha emu10k1_gp is joystick driver! |
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| 01:08.55 | beered | If I have ata100 drive can I make idebus=100? How is this related to UDMA100? |
| 01:09.05 | grendelson | I shoudl have been able to figure that out whenI saw that it used gameport? :-) |
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| 01:09.28 | Azar | joystick module? that emu10k1_gp |
| 01:09.34 | grendelson | Azar: yes |
| 01:09.46 | Azar | so is not a sound module then.. |
| 01:09.56 | thingfish | forget pizza, I need meat. |
| 01:10.04 | thingfish | bbq it is. |
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| 01:10.16 | Azar | grendelson: try to find yout exactly what is loaded or blocked in term of sound module at bootup |
| 01:10.17 | grendelson | Azar: Well I'm wondering if it a companion to oss or completely different.. probably not related al all except in name... |
| 01:10.19 | thingfish | !pork fat |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: btw .. briquolo kicks ass :) |
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| 01:11.38 | stoned | whats a good asm level debugger/disassembler? |
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| 01:11.51 | stoned | I am used to ollydbg on windows |
| 01:11.58 | stoned | anything close to it? |
| 01:11.59 | grendelson | Azar: so far I've made the skip emu10k1 change in discover. And amade sure that only snd_ modules were in etc/modules - I'll leave it liket that until I can test it... |
| 01:12.03 | TeamCanada|Silen | Can dual-processor and dual-core systems truly multi-task? |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | gdb ? |
| 01:12.11 | stoned | abrotman, me? |
| 01:12.13 | thingfish | TeamCanada|Silen: hell yeah |
| 01:12.22 | cusco | can I make my laptop sleep instead of shutting it donw? |
| 01:12.29 | TeamCanada|Silen | as in run 2 different tasks simultaneously? |
| 01:12.30 | cusco | like spinning hard drives down |
| 01:12.41 | cusco | and keep it quiet |
| 01:12.50 | cusco | instead of powering it down? |
| 01:13.00 | TeamCanada|Silen | sleep |
| 01:13.04 | grendelson | I need to probably figure out the driver that the bult in Intel sound uses and make sure to skip it in discover, probably also blocking the alsa module load... |
| 01:13.29 | TeamCanada|Silen | !sleep |
| 01:13.29 | dpkg | sleep is, like, For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
| 01:13.32 | thingfish | TeamCanada|Silen: systems that have two actual processor cores can, at least that's my understanding. |
| 01:13.44 | thingfish | TeamCanada|Silen: I don't know about hyperthreading systems, though. |
| 01:13.45 | TeamCanada|Silen | k |
| 01:13.52 | TeamCanada|Silen | what is hyperthreading? |
| 01:14.00 | Azar | grendelson: one last thing, can you paste the content of lsmod on a paster? |
| 01:14.05 | thingfish | TeamCanada|Silen: sort of pseudo dual core. |
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| 01:14.09 | TeamCanada|Silen | I know it makes the core faster, but what is it acutally doing? |
| 01:14.23 | grendelson | Azar already did ! Here you go ... http://channels.debian.net/paste/2453. |
| 01:14.43 | thingfish | TeamCanada|Silen: I think it comes down to more efficient scheduling, but I'm no cpu guru. |
| 01:14.44 | Azar | oh thanks |
| 01:14.53 | TeamCanada|Silen | sorta like a 4-lane road as opposed to a 2-lane road? |
| 01:14.55 | tuv | everytime i upgrade laptop-mode-tools i have to re-edit its conffile. if i keep mine i'm afraid i'll miss some new features.. isn't there a better solution for this? |
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| 01:15.04 | grendelson | Azar: THis is AFTER running alsaconf. I need to compare this to lsmod BEFORE runnign alsaconf if it doesnt survive a reboot this time... |
| 01:15.05 | TeamCanada|Silen | ah, ok |
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| 01:16.53 | grendelson | snd_intel8x0 < _ this is the alsa driver for the built in intel media now to figure out the oss? |
| 01:17.05 | SonnyBurnett | hi, I have installed my debian in english, if I want to change the language to spanish, what should I do? |
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| 01:17.10 | thingfish | TeamCanada|Silen: canadian? |
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| 01:17.46 | Azar | grendelson: I use modconf anytime looking for a module |
| 01:17.57 | tuv | me too! |
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| 01:18.02 | grendelson | skip i810-audio < _ I foudn this in a debian thread/.... |
| 01:18.08 | fas3r | nobody use freeradius ? |
| 01:18.14 | grendelson | Azar How do I use that to find a specific oss module? |
| 01:18.17 | Azar | i810_audio rather |
| 01:18.54 | myren_ | when i try and nfs mount, i get "RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused" |
| 01:18.59 | braniff | what lines should i have in /etc/apt/sources.list to use debian unstable ?? |
| 01:19.12 | Azar | grendelson: on the old woody, there was no way Debian would autofind your drivers so it had a package named "modconf" it is still around you can install it and run it |
| 01:19.16 | myren_ | /home/music 10.50.50.0/24(rw,async,no_root_squash) si the exports line |
| 01:19.24 | Azar | grendelson: type modconf |
| 01:19.32 | myren_ | the client is 10.50.50.70 |
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| 01:19.39 | tuv | braniff, replace whatever distribution you are using with unstable.. everything else is the same |
| 01:19.46 | thingfish | braniff: most people would suggest to you that if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't do it. |
| 01:20.15 | thingfish | braniff: good luck anyway. locales will eat all your cheese. |
| 01:20.23 | mbishop | what's the command to make x11 reread Xdefaults and Xresources? |
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| 01:21.49 | abrotman | tuv: DON'T DO THAT |
| 01:22.06 | tuv | abrotman, do what? |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | tell people to do that |
| 01:22.23 | Azar | tuv do not recommend unstable to unexperienced people |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | if they can't figure it out .. don't tell them .. unstable BREAKS |
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| 01:22.48 | tuv | i'm not recommending anything..just answering a simple question |
| 01:23.31 | tuv | ok.. i see what you mean |
| 01:23.34 | Azar | braniff: if you have no idea how to configure your apt, why do you think you will be able to run UNSTABLE ? |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | tuv: if you're not going to be here to support him .. please don't do that |
| 01:24.15 | tuv | abrotman, i don't dare to use unstable myself ;) |
| 01:24.25 | braniff | actually, the problem i was having was that the repo i had in there wasn't working...(deb http://non-us.debian.org) |
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| 01:24.49 | Lacsi_home | hi |
| 01:24.57 | Azar | braniff: just remove the non-us stanza out of your sources |
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| 01:25.11 | abrotman | braniff: there is no more non-us |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | !non-us |
| 01:25.13 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 01:25.35 | braniff | ahh |
| 01:25.35 | Lacsi_home | how to output the current config/settings of mdadm into it's config file or what should i do? i want the arrays to come up on reboot |
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| 01:26.06 | Lacsi_home | raid0+1.raid0 arrays came up, but no raid1 |
| 01:27.19 | braniff | heh |
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| 01:27.20 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 01:27.20 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:27.20 | thingfish | braniff: you must get spanked with the sacred paddle before you can use sid. |
| 01:27.30 | grendelson | skip i810_audio |
| 01:27.31 | grendelson | skip snd_i8x0 |
| 01:27.31 | grendelson | skip ac97_codec |
| 01:27.31 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.47 | grendelson | oops didn't realize I had spaces! |
| 01:27.47 | braniff | lol |
| 01:29.04 | ackzys | Hello, I'm a newbie. |
| 01:29.12 | dvs | !lart ackzys |
| 01:29.23 | ackzys | ah man |
| 01:29.29 | ackzys | That's what I get for introducing myself. |
| 01:29.38 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:29.50 | thingfish | !beer ackzys |
| 01:29.56 | ackzys | excellent |
| 01:29.57 | ackzys | thank you |
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| 01:32.51 | sanmarcos | anybody have experience with udev/ivtv firmware? the ivtv driver is supposed to load the firmware (which I have in /lib/firmware/ and usr lib hotplug firmware), but since I switched from hotplug to udev, I get ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw, but the driver is *really* there? any ideas? |
| 01:33.21 | abrotman | freaking fillets sucks! |
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| 01:33.31 | thingfish | abrotman: fillets of what? |
| 01:34.38 | abrotman | thingfish: apt-get install fillets-ng |
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| 01:35.10 | j2b | #join /debian-br |
| 01:35.43 | thingfish | abrotman: oh I see |
| 01:35.50 | thingfish | recreation. |
| 01:36.13 | thingfish | chatting on irc is all the recreation you need, boy. |
| 01:36.18 | abrotman | boy?! |
| 01:36.25 | thingfish | well, whatever |
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| 01:36.26 | thingfish | man |
| 01:36.27 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 01:36.49 | thingfish | abrotman: I just didn't want to call you shirley. |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | man |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | Stevie: you have really crappy scripts .. i hope your ISP cuts you off |
| 01:41.00 | grendelson | abrotman, Thanks so much Years to get over my nethack addiction and then you point out fillets_ng! DARN! |
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| 01:41.18 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Don't you want to live forever? I could hook you up! |
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| 01:42.00 | thingfish | now *that's* scary. |
| 01:42.02 | diogo86 | hi. i have netinst disk and my current apt/archives directory with needed packages. what has to be done to share this packages through http therefore other machines can download them locally? do i have to index it or something? |
| 01:42.21 | sanmarcos | anybody have experience with udev/ivtv firmware? the ivtv driver is supposed to load the firmware (which I have in /lib/firmware/ and usr lib hotplug firmware), but since I switched from hotplug to udev, I get ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw, but the driver are *really* there? any ideas? |
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| 01:45.44 | sanmarcos | how can I make echo "/sbin/udev" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug permanent? |
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| 01:46.57 | stew | sanmarcos: use sysctl.conf |
| 01:47.15 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 01:47.22 | sanmarcos | so, anybody know if udev replaces hotplug totally? |
| 01:47.41 | liable | sanmarcos: have a read of the changelog? |
| 01:47.52 | stew | sanmarcos: i believe at this point it provides all of the functionality that hotplug did |
| 01:47.55 | sanmarcos | liable: how can I do that? |
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| 01:48.00 | stew | sanmarcos: depending on what version of debian of course |
| 01:48.09 | sanmarcos | sid, but it breaks firmware compatibility |
| 01:48.25 | mentor | diogo86: Yes, you need to put the files in apt repository format. There are programs to do this. Try apt-move or apt-ftparchive |
| 01:48.26 | liable | sanmarcos: /usr/share/doc/udev/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 01:48.36 | stew | sanmarcos: i'm running ivtv with udev |
| 01:48.48 | sanmarcos | stew: can you please give me a hand? |
| 01:49.01 | sanmarcos | I cant figure out why it is not loading my firmware. It is placed in the right folders |
| 01:49.02 | stew | lemme see |
| 01:49.46 | stew | do you see any errors in dmesg when you modprobe? |
| 01:49.53 | sanmarcos | yes I do sir |
| 01:50.03 | stew | i have lots of firmware in /lib/firmware i don't know which is actually in use |
| 01:50.18 | sanmarcos | http://pastebin.com/688064 |
| 01:50.28 | sanmarcos | try locate v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw |
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| 01:50.47 | stew | yeah, that is in there |
| 01:50.55 | sanmarcos | In my case, it is both in /lib/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw |
| 01:51.07 | sanmarcos | with global +r |
| 01:51.18 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 01:51.19 | stew | sanmarcos: as is v4l-cx2341x-init-mpeg.bin v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw ivtv-fw-enc.bin v4l-cx25840.fw... |
| 01:51.20 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 01:51.27 | stew | !ops Sear spamming |
| 01:51.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Sear spamming |
| 01:51.39 | sanmarcos | stew, yes |
| 01:51.46 | stew | sanmarcos: but some of that is probably old |
| 01:51.46 | sanmarcos | stew: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 01:52.02 | stew | sanmarcos: no, udev (they conflict these days) |
| 01:52.05 | stew | sanmarcos: which kernel? |
| 01:52.12 | sanmarcos | yes, they conflict |
| 01:52.26 | sanmarcos | 2.6.16-1-k7, debian (havent gotten to build my own yet) |
| 01:52.30 | myren_ | how do i make a multi line string in C? |
| 01:52.32 | myren_ | please please please |
| 01:52.39 | stew | sanmarcos: you shouldn't need to build your own |
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| 01:52.59 | dvs | myren_: You end a line with a double-quote and begin the line with a double quote |
| 01:53.04 | sanmarcos | stew: yes, can you grep your logs for -i firmware ? |
| 01:53.10 | sanmarcos | dmesg at least |
| 01:53.25 | myren_ | dvs: do i have to add them somehow? |
| 01:53.31 | stew | sanmarcos: they dont' go back far enough |
| 01:53.33 | myren_ | dvs: how do they get concatenated together? |
| 01:53.34 | Stevie | myren_: consecutive strings are merged by the C compiler |
| 01:53.47 | Stevie | myren_: e.g. "a" "b" "c" is equivalent to "abc" |
| 01:53.47 | myren_ | i still need a + operator dont I? |
| 01:53.51 | Stevie | no |
| 01:53.54 | myren_ | hrm, ok |
| 01:54.01 | Stevie | the + operator is for numbers (and pointers), not strings |
| 01:54.04 | dvs | myren_: Just have two separate strings separated by whitespace (including return) |
| 01:54.16 | sanmarcos | stew: can you cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug permanent? |
| 01:54.26 | sanmarcos | I mean, whats the output? |
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| 01:54.36 | myren_ | ok cool, my infinite thanks |
| 01:54.37 | stew | sanmarcos: empty |
| 01:54.47 | sanmarcos | stew: as mine |
| 01:55.13 | sanmarcos | stew: so, you dont have hotplug installed at *all*, vanilla udev, ivtv 0.6 |
| 01:55.36 | sanmarcos | I cant figure this out... Ill verbose udev and ivtv |
| 01:57.10 | sanmarcos | stew what kernel, ivtv versions are you on? |
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| 01:57.44 | stew | sanmarcos: kernel 2.6.15, using the built in ivtv |
| 01:57.55 | sanmarcos | ivtv is not in the kernel |
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| 01:58.03 | stew | i thought it was now |
| 01:58.15 | stew | in that case i'm using 0.4.2 |
| 01:58.43 | Azar | grendelson: you do NOT want to skip any snd_xxxxxxxxx module those are alsa modules |
| 01:59.03 | grendelson | Azar: ? |
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| 01:59.22 | Azar | grendelson: what you said earlier you added to discover |
| 01:59.32 | sanmarcos | stew: hmmm loading it interactively seems to load the firmware |
| 01:59.42 | grendelson | skip ac97_codec skip snd_i8x0 skip i810_audio |
| 01:59.56 | sanmarcos | then it dies with no memory on buffer alloc, Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 etc etc |
| 02:00.07 | Azar | grendelson: leave snd_i8x0 alone |
| 02:00.24 | grendelson | Azar I added the snd_i8x0 because the intel built in I DO NOT want to load - I want only the SB live to load drivers (I was guessing...) |
| 02:00.37 | Azar | grendelson: ah ok |
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| 02:00.52 | DragonD | do i need portmap? |
| 02:01.13 | grendelson | Azar : Yeah it took me a while to figure out I had a bult in sound and PCI card both with sound.. so that was why I was getting prompted for 3 different cards when I ran alsaconf... |
| 02:02.14 | Azar | from where I came back to my beliefs: the more you get , the more complicated it gets: same with software |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | bah .. stupid fish! |
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| 02:02.35 | Azar | I just had fish for dinner how did you guessed, abrotman? |
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| 02:02.42 | abrotman | Azar: it's a game |
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| 02:03.18 | Azar | lbreak2 forever! |
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| 02:03.35 | abrotman | Azar: are you on unstable? |
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| 02:03.44 | Azar | abrotman: no, etch so far |
| 02:03.54 | Azar | I could go up.... this is a testing box |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | hrm |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | !info briquolo etch |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | oh well .. not yet |
| 02:04.07 | Azar | no 3d here though :( |
| 02:04.07 | sanmarcos | stew: btw, do you have /dev/shm ? |
| 02:04.12 | LSchiere | denyhosts-common failed to remove during post-install, and is saying it needs to be re-installed, but requires a version of denyhosts that no longer exists in the archive. I foolishly tried to remove them trying to resolve the problem, so denyhosts is no longer installed on my machine. the new version of denyhosts depends on denyhosts-python2.3 which conflicts with denyhosts-common |
| 02:04.25 | Azar | GeForce MX MX 400 64MB ram |
| 02:04.30 | LSchiere | (I don't know where the above cut off) can anyone help me with advice on getting apt in a consistent state? |
| 02:04.46 | mlowe | mozillaplugger is not playing my wav files correctly, how do i debug this ? |
| 02:04.55 | Azar | yep I was looking for briquolo for etch not yet there |
| 02:05.15 | harfooz | hi all. I have a fresh sid install, and having a font-related problem with emacs21. The output is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2454 |
| 02:05.29 | harfooz | all the characters appear as boxes. |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | LSchiere: so what do you want to do? |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | harfooz: use vi! |
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| 02:06.07 | LSchiere | abrotman: right now any apt command fails telling me to reinstall denyhosts-common. I'd like to just be able to use apt again. I'm not particular if that leaves me with denyhosts itself installed or not |
| 02:06.12 | harfooz | I saw another user on 4/20 had the same problem on google. http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/46b0f34d5683aa1a/c2e2c8788e24a8de?lnk=st&q=Warning%3A+Cannot+convert+string+%22-*-+emacs&rnum=7&hl=en#c2e2c8788e24a8de |
| 02:06.15 | grendelson | mlowe- I had to switch my plugins to use external player for wav, avi etc - now it uses gmplayer... Not sure if that helps at all... |
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| 02:06.27 | harfooz | But there wasn't a response as to how to fix it. |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | LSchiere: check snapshot.debian.net .. try to find the version you need |
| 02:06.57 | LSchiere | thanks, looking |
| 02:07.00 | harfooz | are there any emacs and sid users here that could bail me out? |
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| 02:07.25 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 02:07.25 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 02:08.26 | sanmarcos | does udev, new kernels deprecate /dev/shm, why is /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh trying to load it?, is debian udev ready? |
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| 02:09.07 | mlowe | grendelson, i think plugger is using play/sox i gonna get a sound from command line 1st ;) ty for your info |
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| 02:12.02 | hedpe | how can i kill a window in a screen?... like one of my "windows" died |
| 02:12.17 | sanmarcos | what is the runlevel for halt? |
| 02:12.17 | FauxFaux | Ctrl+A, shift+k. |
| 02:12.21 | sanmarcos | hedpe: xkill |
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| 02:12.41 | abrotman | sanmarcos: wrong kind of screen :) |
| 02:12.51 | hedpe | sanmarcos: thank ya |
| 02:12.56 | hedpe | errr |
| 02:12.56 | hedpe | woops |
| 02:13.01 | hedpe | FauxFaux: thank ya :) |
| 02:13.02 | hedpe | hehe |
| 02:15.45 | _Atomo64_ | Hi, since yesterday every time I open KDE (after loading the session and that blahblahblah) artsd crashes and after that, the only way to be able to play a song or something is by using mplayer by choosing the ALSA output. And with AmaroK I can't change the engine from arts to xine because it crashes, but anyway amarok won't play any single file. I'm using etch. |
| 02:15.45 | sanmarcos | debian init scripts are a mess |
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| 02:16.26 | abrotman | they're fine |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:17.00 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I have installed debian sarge with kernel 2.4 in a Pentium 1, 133Mhz, 32M RAM, 1,3Gb hdd, If I wanted to install the kernel 2.6, which should I choose? 2.6-386 or 2.6-686 ? |
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| 02:17.14 | LSchiere | abrotman: you rock, thanks |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | -386 |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | but it will be slow |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | LSchiere: everything ok ? |
| 02:17.25 | LSchiere | yep :-) |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:17.45 | LSchiere | have a good night |
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| 02:17.55 | _Atomo64_ | SonnyBurnett: 386 |
| 02:18.22 | SonnyBurnett | _Atomo64_, For what kind of PC are the 686 kernels ? |
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| 02:18.33 | abrotman | !686 |
| 02:18.33 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | you do NOT have one of those |
| 02:19.24 | heartsblood | just installed a fresh copy of sarge after not using linux for quite some time. My objective for this box is to simply setup a mysql/apache server. Problem is I can't seem to point apache to anything other than /var/www/apache2-defualt as a defualt dir. To make matters worse the "documentation" link on the 'welcome to apache..' page is forbidden. Where are the doc's located to configure it? |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | Heartsbane: in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-000 .. change the DocumentRoot config option |
| 02:21.35 | heartsblood | I did, if I change it to anything other than defualt it gives me a forbidden message. |
| 02:21.54 | heartsblood | well...the web browers does* |
| 02:22.54 | heartsblood | this is a fresh install, i never remember apache being this anal. |
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| 02:23.00 | abrotman | permissions correct? |
| 02:23.07 | heartsblood | yes |
| 02:24.35 | _Atomo64_ | heartsblood: why don't you just use apache 1.3.x instead of 2? |
| 02:24.56 | heartsblood | i've never used 1.3 |
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| 02:25.44 | jelly-ho | heartsblood: did you fix the Directory /var/www/ to point to the correct dir? |
| 02:25.54 | mishael | apache 2 doesn't have alot of modules that 1.3 has does it? |
| 02:25.56 | kspath | wow times change |
| 02:26.05 | kspath | I remember when apache did not exist |
| 02:26.21 | _Atomo64_ | lol |
| 02:26.27 | mishael | you are old ;) |
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| 02:27.12 | sciron | i've got a computer that mysteriously quit processing DNS lookups. any suggestions? (I can ping my dns server, I can dig @mydns server, when I tcpdump at my dns server, I never see the UDP packets)? |
| 02:27.37 | sciron | using the testing branch |
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| 02:28.10 | kspath | I am old but not wise. |
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| 02:29.04 | mishael | sciron: i've never heard of that |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | it's using a different dns server |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | or none at all |
| 02:29.39 | sciron | mishael> me either :/ i've tried stracing dig and host, i keep getting t/o's on a thread |
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| 02:30.02 | sciron | it looks for server 0.0.0.0 without 'dig @' or host's equivalent |
| 02:30.09 | kspath | sciron: /etc/resolv.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 02:30.39 | sciron | /etc/resolv.conf has the right server & permissions, it even gets read by dig/host, nsswitch is files,dns which is apropos for the setup |
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| 02:31.18 | kspath | sciron: command line queries get you valid responses? |
| 02:31.35 | myren | is there a command i can use to write to syslog? |
| 02:31.36 | kspath | sciron: Which application is having the DNS query issues? |
| 02:31.39 | myren | my boot is hardcore fucked up |
| 02:31.43 | sciron | yep, as long as the server to be queried is specified |
| 02:31.52 | sciron | kspath> dig, nslookup, host, etc |
| 02:31.54 | francis | what could cause that under user mpg321 is playing music without any sounds, and then under root mpg321 says it cant find a suitable libao driver ? |
| 02:32.16 | kspath | sciron: A simple query without a specification fails? |
| 02:32.20 | sciron | yep |
| 02:32.35 | kspath | sciron: Did you install anything else? |
| 02:32.41 | sciron | i haven't been drinking and doing system maintenance :/ that's bit me before |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | tried restarting networking ? .. maybe stack barfed somehow ? |
| 02:33.06 | sciron | kspath> not that I recall, nothing aberrant in the package list, it's just an ftp/samba/nfs server |
| 02:33.34 | kspath | sciron: Your hostname is normal? /etc/hosts is normal? |
| 02:33.46 | kspath | sciron: No iptables updates? |
| 02:33.49 | sciron | yes, bind9 is even setup properly |
| 02:34.02 | sciron | i kicked out the ipv6 stack just to be sure, on the machine doing the lookups |
| 02:34.16 | kspath | sciron: bind9 is running local? |
| 02:34.32 | sciron | it's running on the dns server i'm trying to query |
| 02:34.52 | kspath | Stevie: would be attacks will think you are confused |
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| 02:35.08 | abrotman | Stevie: that does nothing |
| 02:35.29 | joshuoa | where is the dir for the codecs of debian-installed mplayer? |
| 02:35.31 | kspath | sciron: So the dns server is running bound to 127.0.0.1 AND a localnet IP(s)? |
| 02:35.45 | kspath | sciron: machines IP is normal? |
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| 02:36.18 | sciron | kspath> bind9 is bound to all IP's on that server, the file server is setup appropriately for that network segment. if not, dig @mydnsserver wouldn't return proper information, I wouldn't expect |
| 02:36.47 | sciron | it's almost like permissions got changed on one shared lib file :/ |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | does DNS work for all other machines on the network ? |
| 02:37.13 | kspath | sciron: You would be getting an error. |
| 02:37.13 | sciron | yep |
| 02:37.15 | sciron | perfectly |
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| 02:37.39 | sciron | kspath> true. I do get several 'file doesn't exist' when doing the strace, since dig looks for many many things |
| 02:37.44 | kspath | sciron: bind9 security setup/config change? |
| 02:37.47 | sciron | but nothing there seems out of the ordinary either |
| 02:38.00 | sciron | kspath> i did do a dist-upgrade last night when it worked |
| 02:38.05 | sciron | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.06 | joshuoa | can't find it in the dpkg. can someone tell me where is the dir for the codecs of debian-installed mplayer? |
| 02:38.29 | sciron | problem is, nothing in the way of bind was updated, it was initrdsomething or other |
| 02:38.38 | sciron | i don't even use initrd's |
| 02:39.30 | kspath | sciron: I am wondering if your localmachine does not have permission to query but that can not be because if that were the case a manual query to an IP on the same machine would not work unless localhost 127.0.0.1 is no longer allowed for some reason. |
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| 02:40.26 | kspath | sciron: I have seen something similar to what you are seeing before and we fixed it. I can not remember what we did. If was silly and simple is my vague memory. |
| 02:40.43 | sciron | kspath> true regarding the query perms. 192.168.1.5 (file server) can dig@hostnameof192.168.1.1 yahoo.com works great. |
| 02:41.28 | sciron | kspath> part that gets me is the udp packets never leave 192.168.1.5, and I KNOW /etc/resolv.conf gets read with the proper information |
| 02:41.48 | sciron | at least per strace |
| 02:42.02 | kspath | sciron: I thought the bind9 was on the same machine as the queries? |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | NO! |
| 02:42.21 | sciron | <sciron> it's running on the dns server i'm trying to query |
| 02:42.32 | sciron | not trying to query from |
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| 02:42.45 | abrotman | sciron: if you nmap the dns host .. for UDP .. anything open? |
| 02:42.49 | abrotman | does DNS work for other machines? |
| 02:42.55 | kspath | abrotman: yes |
| 02:42.55 | sciron | yep to both |
| 02:42.58 | abrotman | have you tried restarting the problem client ? |
| 02:43.02 | sciron | abrotman> i couldn't dig if 53 weren't open |
| 02:43.14 | abrotman | sciron: you need a shovel! |
| 02:43.15 | sciron | abrotman> i've been through many reboots with it today, couple with the dns server |
| 02:43.16 | sciron | lol |
| 02:43.18 | sciron | no kidding |
| 02:43.33 | kspath | sciron: The machine you are querying from has how many IPs? |
| 02:43.37 | sciron | i had a bizarre problem with bind9 on an smp system I had to take up with the pkg maintainer about a year ago, nothing else gives me issues |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | sciron: are these publically addressable machines ? |
| 02:43.56 | sciron | kspath> from, has one, to, has 3 (all nics, excluding loopback) |
| 02:44.00 | kspath | sciron: The machine you are querying from has no dns servers/caches? |
| 02:44.00 | sciron | abrotman> no |
| 02:44.06 | sciron | kspath> nope |
| 02:44.16 | DragonD | what is a good pop3 server? |
| 02:44.20 | sciron | coke |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | DragonD: apt-cache search pop3 |
| 02:44.27 | kspath | DragonD: functioning one |
| 02:44.28 | sciron | oh, sorry, reflex |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | sciron: tried reinstalling dnsutils ? |
| 02:44.41 | Ronin | kspath: heh |
| 02:44.46 | DragonD | What about curiour? |
| 02:44.58 | mishael | joshuoa: /usr/lib/codecs maybe? |
| 02:45.00 | DragonD | courier* |
| 02:45.08 | sciron | abrotman> uhm, actually no. took me a long while to remember strace even exists, will do that now ;-) |
| 02:45.33 | abrotman | DragonD: try them all |
| 02:45.36 | kspath | sciron: If you remove the NS you are trying to query from /etc/resolv.conf what happens? |
| 02:45.49 | sciron | kspath> i don't understand the reasoning |
| 02:45.49 | Ronin | DragonD: read up an a variety of mtas and pick one |
| 02:45.49 | abrotman | sciron: is the machine DHCP ? |
| 02:45.55 | sciron | abrotman> not yet |
| 02:46.00 | kspath | abrotman: same IP? |
| 02:46.07 | kspath | abrotman: same MAC? |
| 02:46.21 | myren | any way to log to syslog? |
| 02:46.24 | myren | from consoel |
| 02:46.37 | joshuoa | mishael: i vaguely remember it to be win32 or w32. the one you mentioned is for mplayer from source. |
| 02:46.53 | kspath | sciron: Try it. Remove the name server IP from the machine that is failing to query your NS and see if it fails the same way. |
| 02:47.37 | liable | myren: log what? |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | kspath: eh? |
| 02:47.57 | kspath | sciron: There is no service level filtering/redirecting? |
| 02:48.12 | sciron | no, iptables is dead, actually removed because of a change in the network configuration |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | did he say he could ping the dns server? |
| 02:48.19 | sciron | abrotman> I can dig it |
| 02:48.21 | sciron | ping it |
| 02:48.22 | sciron | etc |
| 02:48.25 | kspath | abrotman: I was wondering if you thought maybe the server and the client had same IP or same as another machine? |
| 02:48.31 | sciron | abrotman> dig works ONLY with @mydnsserver |
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| 02:48.40 | einsteinmg | morning :) |
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| 02:48.53 | sciron | kspath> there are two items on this network segment, the dns server nic, and the file server, there's an xover cable |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | sciron: so wait .. dns works ? |
| 02:49.29 | sciron | abrotman> if I manually specify the server with dig @ or use hosts' equivalent |
| 02:49.30 | kspath | abrotman: If NS IP is specified |
| 02:49.37 | kspath | sciron: routing table change? |
| 02:49.49 | kspath | no if it was routing it would fail manually |
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| 02:50.03 | sciron | i don't have simple problems :/ |
| 02:50.04 | kspath | environment is not using NS |
| 02:50.16 | sciron | dnstracer says it's looking at 0.0.0.0 for some insane reason |
| 02:50.29 | kspath | sciron: I have seen that before. |
| 02:50.33 | sciron | can I reinstall with dpkg? |
| 02:50.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:50.49 | kspath | sciron: Are you using some security tools like bastille or selinux or something else? |
| 02:50.50 | sciron | k, thanks, looking |
| 02:50.59 | sciron | kspath> nope, very simple file server |
| 02:51.02 | mishael | joshuoa: it may be /usr/lib/win32 i thought marillat started putting everything in /usr/lib/codecs though |
| 02:51.19 | heartsblood | how do I force apache to look a a wwwroot of anything else besides /apache2-default? I can't find that binding anywhere in the config. |
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| 02:51.32 | heartsblood | in any of the configs... |
| 02:51.56 | kspath | sciron: So environment is defaulting to 0.0.0.0 or whatever tool you are using to check is preset 0.0.0.0 and never gets anything else. |
| 02:51.57 | sciron | Heartsbane> grep, it's in there, i've changed it a bunch |
| 02:52.11 | sciron | kspath> not without manually specifying, correct |
| 02:52.47 | heartsblood | I have, the only thing I can find in the entire apache2 dir is a comment from the available-sites config. |
| 02:52.47 | kspath | sciron: If you set first IP in /etc/resolv.conf to be something crazy like 1.1.1.1 what happens? |
| 02:53.43 | heartsblood | and when I change the documentroot of available-sites it gives me /apache2-default can't be found on this server. |
| 02:53.47 | joshuoa | another related question. my is a debian-installed mplayer. can i use the 'essentials'codecs fr mplayer site? |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | heartsblood: really .. i told you the right way before |
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| 02:54.03 | sciron | hang on, i'm moving a little more slowly at this point, still trying to reinstall dnsutils |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | heartsblood: another method .. make another site config .. and enable it |
| 02:55.00 | kspath | sciron: Your resolv.conf is just 1 nameserver ###.###.###.### entry? |
| 02:55.05 | sciron | yep |
| 02:55.22 | sciron | reinstall no work |
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| 02:55.28 | sciron | doing bad ip thingy |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | thingie! |
| 02:55.45 | sciron | you know something, I feel like a donk |
| 02:55.47 | heartsblood | abortman: where is apache2-defualt defined in the defualt site config? |
| 02:55.54 | sciron | hang on, I think I just fixed it |
| 02:56.29 | sciron | ok, I think I get the rectal cranial inversion award for the day |
| 02:56.36 | kspath | sciron: typo? |
| 02:56.38 | mishael | joshuoa: w32codecs doesnt have what you need? |
| 02:56.39 | sciron | sorry for the trouble :/ |
| 02:56.41 | sciron | no, worse |
| 02:56.42 | sciron | much worse |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | heartsblood: same place i told you .. /etc/apache2/sites-available/default .. it's like the third line down |
| 02:57.03 | abrotman | erm .. fifth |
| 02:57.08 | sciron | my two lines: 1) search universe 2) 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:57.12 | sciron | notice something missing? |
| 02:57.13 | sciron | :| |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | take out the search line |
| 02:57.20 | kspath | sciron: I had ideas to check everything next and I was too tired to even try to walking you through it. |
| 02:57.23 | sciron | no, search works fine |
| 02:57.33 | kspath | nameserver |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | sciron: also .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:57.36 | sciron | i missed the 'nameserver' keyword |
| 02:57.49 | kspath | !smite sciron |
| 02:57.55 | fas3r | plop |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | sciron: really .. all that?!?!?!? |
| 02:58.05 | sciron | i knew the ip address was right |
| 02:58.08 | joshuoa | mishael: not too sure. offline i can play .rm, .wmv, .avi and .mov files but online i can only strem .mov videos. |
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| 02:58.11 | kspath | sciron: That was not a typo. That was a braino. |
| 02:58.12 | sciron | yes. sad part is I've looked at this for half the day |
| 02:58.13 | abrotman | sciron: you're a bad bad man |
| 02:58.21 | sciron | i know, good thing this machine is at home |
| 02:58.32 | kspath | sciron: This is why in large installs we use scripts else human err gets involved. |
| 02:58.40 | sciron | lol |
| 02:58.40 | sciron | touche |
| 02:58.42 | kspath | sciron: I told you I saw that problem before. |
| 02:59.01 | epsilon | dns and script issue? |
| 02:59.09 | sciron | i was more concerned I was getting an EAGAIN signal to a thread from a dig, it was too similar to a bind9 issue I had before with the same signal |
| 02:59.11 | mishael | joshuoa: you have w32codecs installed? what doesn't work? |
| 02:59.13 | kspath | sciron: most admins have done something like that or worked with someone who did. |
| 02:59.31 | sciron | kspath> we've all hit the power button wondering why it won't come on while it's unplugged |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | i did that yesterday |
| 02:59.40 | kspath | sciron: Looking too deeply. I have OFTEN guilty of that also. |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | though .. admittedly .. there were like 5 powercords on the floor |
| 03:00.08 | sciron | but thanks, I can sleep now!! I don't know why it just hit me, but glad y'all could help |
| 03:00.22 | epsilon | I had similar resolve.conf issue, only because debian uses a huge set of script only to get dns address from ISP and add it in conf |
| 03:00.39 | kspath | sciron: Imagine if you had been more ignorant you might have solved it earlier. |
| 03:00.45 | DragonD | how can i install webmin 1.2? |
| 03:00.55 | sciron | lmfao, it's sad that that is true |
| 03:00.58 | kspath | sciron: Less knowledge to confuse the issue. |
| 03:00.59 | heartsblood | then i'm confused as to how it works now. I remember being able to to define the document root by typing /foo/bar and that would be what the server poitned to. however in my /etc/apache2/sites-available/defualt all I have for a documentroot is /var/www. but the server uses /var/www/apache2-defualt. If I change ../available-sites/defualt to /var/www/mysite.com (restart the server) the server says it can't find /apache2- |
| 03:01.00 | epsilon | DragonD: like everything else in debian, apt-get |
| 03:01.12 | joshuoa | mishael: i have codecs in several dirs but i cannot view those news site videos like those fr cnn and cbsnews. |
| 03:01.20 | DragonD | epsilon: it installs 1.1 |
| 03:01.32 | epsilon | DragonD: pray for 1.2 |
| 03:01.40 | DragonD | pray??? |
| 03:01.54 | kspath | !pray |
| 03:01.54 | dpkg | May the penguin be with you... |
| 03:02.12 | epsilon | DragonD: yeah, this Amen thingie - or whever that is in your religion |
| 03:02.13 | kspath | ...and also with you. |
| 03:02.14 | sciron | ty, i will be back again soon, I just don't like being in here as root (hey, it was an emergency). have a good one everybody. |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | heartsblood: you did remember to restart apache2 .. right ? |
| 03:02.18 | heartsblood | yes |
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| 03:02.46 | abrotman | heartsblood: let me look again |
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| 03:03.25 | abrotman | heartsblood: did you also notice the RedirectMatch a few lines farther down ? |
| 03:03.37 | heartsblood | 1 sec let me look |
| 03:03.45 | nrdb | Hi I am doing some C coding I was wondering how to get a program to pause for a few seconds? I don't know what command to use. |
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| 03:03.53 | abrotman | nrdb: ask #c |
| 03:03.53 | epsilon | DragonD: seriously, your debian version only have it, if you want another version, try testing/unstable, search for backports or compile the source |
| 03:04.06 | nrdb | abrotman: od |
| 03:04.08 | nrdb | abrotman: ok |
| 03:04.10 | kspath | abrotman: It is ##c now |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | kspath: should get forwarded |
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| 03:04.29 | kspath | abrotman: perhaps |
| 03:04.45 | AcuraX | How do i mount my digital cam it's detected and tested successfully but how do i view the contents? |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | kspath: actually .. it tells you where to go |
| 03:05.10 | mishael | joshuoa: ok i see what you mean. i'm not sure what the solution to that is |
| 03:05.14 | kspath | abrotman: Everyone tells me where to go. If I had listened I would already be there. |
| 03:05.22 | liable | AcuraX: if its mounted, ls |
| 03:05.32 | joshuoa | mishael: you have the same problem? |
| 03:05.39 | AcuraX | I dunno how to mount it.. |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 03:05.56 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 03:08.09 | draft | hi |
| 03:08.38 | draft | is anyone know how to send XML request to a server please? |
| 03:08.53 | heartsblood | abrotman: ahAA...ah em. ok so I thought that was a commented line for some reason :/. How should I change that line, simply coment it, or point it to the new webroot and let docroot handle it? I dont know the syntax of that command |
| 03:08.55 | mishael | joshuoa: yeah i don't visit those sites |
| 03:09.03 | AcuraX | ugh.. |
| 03:09.21 | abrotman | heartsblood: comment should be enough afaik |
| 03:09.44 | heartsblood | what does redirectmatch do? never used it before |
| 03:09.50 | abrotman | it's in the docs |
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| 03:10.14 | abrotman | heartsblood: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html |
| 03:10.54 | AcuraX | How do i mount a usb camera? |
| 03:11.10 | heartsblood | ty |
| 03:11.22 | draft | is anyone know how to send XML request to a server please? |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | nc |
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| 03:12.43 | einsteinmg | draft: telnet |
| 03:13.00 | sciron | hey, look, apt-get update works now :-D |
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| 03:13.16 | abrotman | don't tell everyone .. they'll get jealous |
| 03:13.20 | sciron | mm, gp |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | einsteinmg: send to .. not get from |
| 03:13.43 | einsteinmg | abrotman: telnet can't send commands to a server? |
| 03:14.02 | abrotman | einsteinmg: it can .. but i think nc is far easier |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | wait .. i think it can |
| 03:14.13 | einsteinmg | ;) |
| 03:14.13 | draft | yes, but i try to connect to host by "telnet myserver.com 8080", i can connect, but when i try to enter an XML request, server answer " 505 HTTP Version Not Supported" |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | don't hold me to that .. it may be impossible with a telnet client to actually send data in a stream like that |
| 03:14.52 | abrotman | draft: you can create an entire xml file .. and then use nc to send it |
| 03:16.38 | abrotman | so type out your XML query with vi or whatever .. then use nc to send it |
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| 03:17.14 | draft | ok. i dont know this softwar :) could you tell me in what package is this software please . |
| 03:17.43 | abrotman | netcat |
| 03:17.56 | draft | ahhhh ok :) |
| 03:17.57 | sciron | makes a great browser |
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| 03:21.09 | minerale | I have two hard drives, one is windows and the second has two distros, I deleted the 'second' distro .. now I can't boot at all and I'm getting "grub: Error 17" |
| 03:21.38 | jnc | that's helpful, i mean. haha. go go grub with nice error codes :/ |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | right because LILILIOLILILILILILILLILI is sooo much better |
| 03:22.36 | jnc | "error 17" doesn't mean much. the LILILILILILILIL thing indicates how far along in the process it got |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | google "grub error 17" |
| 03:23.01 | abrotman | !google "grub error 17" |
| 03:23.10 | dpkg | Google says grub error 17 is at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=120802 or http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1669.html or http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5134.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00192.html or http://www.ozzu.com/ftopic42768.html |
| 03:23.17 | sciron | lilo's errors are usually pretty obvious, I thought |
| 03:23.48 | abrotman | or repeating 0s that lilo spits out are great too |
| 03:24.49 | draft | abrotman: im trying to use nc, but when i try 'nc <ip server> 8080" there is only a blank line, but when i connect to the server by telnet its answer ? |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | draft: did you `man nc` and see how to feed a file ? |
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| 03:26.20 | draft | abrotman: must type "-e xml.xml" no ? |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | if that's what it says |
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| 03:28.06 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:28.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:29.01 | pdbogen | If a cow weighs twice as much as me, I /really/ need to go on a diet. |
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| 03:29.49 | jnc | abrotman: it doesn't credit the arrogant worms |
| 03:29.54 | jnc | lame. |
| 03:30.25 | AcuraX | h |
| 03:31.02 | ltordsen | what is the command to see all the channels? |
| 03:31.16 | ACU | greetings to all --- question---- I have installed debian sarge r2 enabled backports repositories and others - upgraded KDE to 3.5 and installed a bunch of applications (for bioinformatics - bio-linux etc) however I do not see them on the menu - I do not know what to do |
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| 03:31.29 | jnc | ltordsen: '/list' beware it may result in your connection being killed |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | jnc: eh? |
| 03:31.35 | jnc | it's generally a bad idea |
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| 03:31.58 | inetd | yo deadcat |
| 03:31.59 | abrotman | ACU: did you install the backport for Xorg? |
| 03:32.01 | sciron | ACU> apt-get menu && update-menus |
| 03:32.08 | inetd | deadcat: any cool stuff lately? |
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| 03:33.27 | ACU | abrotman: I am a bit confused - yes I did upgrade from Xfree86 to Xorg |
| 03:33.33 | inetd | 43 |
| 03:33.35 | inetd | a |
| 03:33.42 | abrotman | ACU: did you install menu-xdg ? |
| 03:33.58 | ltordsen | anyone here play with gnuchess? |
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| 03:34.12 | ACU | no - I did not install menu-xdg (or at least I do not remember) |
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| 03:35.50 | ACU | OK - so I have to install menu-xdg and do an apt-get menu update menus ----- thanks abrotman and sciron --- unfortunately that computer is at work and I did not enable any remote stuff - but tommorow |
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| 03:36.29 | sciron | ACU> listen to abrotman first |
| 03:36.58 | abrotman | never listen to me .. i make tacos with liver |
| 03:36.58 | draft | abrotman: welll... im trying to use netcat but it answer strange things.... "Warning: forward host lookup failed for myserver: Unknown host §§§§ myserver[ip server] 8080 (webcache) open" ? |
| 03:37.13 | sciron | ewwww |
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| 03:37.17 | yoo_taff | Hi ! |
| 03:37.22 | abrotman | sciron: i'm joking |
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| 03:37.37 | abrotman | draft: eh ... so it's an error on the server side? |
| 03:37.38 | yoo_taff | Somebody know how do a header file on tape with afio ? |
| 03:37.42 | woodland | hi |
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| 03:38.07 | yoo | header with date for example |
| 03:38.11 | myboxen | im fed up, |
| 03:38.18 | ACU | thanks guys - one more stupid question and you escaped from me - is any LIVE cd for Debian? |
| 03:38.21 | woodland | does anybody here know python ? |
| 03:38.26 | abrotman | #python ? |
| 03:38.30 | hacim | woodland: yes, people do |
| 03:38.32 | woodland | abrotman: ya |
| 03:38.32 | abrotman | ACU: no |
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| 03:38.58 | woodland | hacim: do you know it ? |
| 03:39.05 | ltordsen | does anyone here play with gnu chess? |
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| 03:39.29 | abrotman | ltordsen: wrong channel |
| 03:39.29 | spande | ACU: see debian weekly news on debian.org - there's a live cd project mentionned this week. Dunno if it is up yet though. |
| 03:39.30 | draft | abrotman: thats would be strange because i can connect with telnet and HTTP at it .... |
| 03:39.36 | woodland | i have forgotten my xchat login password. how do i reset it |
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| 03:39.41 | myboxen | is the boot sector of a drive always 512 bytes no matter what file system or os? |
| 03:39.45 | sciron | yep |
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| 03:40.03 | abrotman | woodland: find a staff member |
| 03:40.10 | spande | woodland : probably in something like a .xchatrc file? |
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| 03:40.17 | ackzys | man this linux thing is so cool |
| 03:40.24 | ackzys | it's totally free, hip, and sexy |
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| 03:40.30 | woodland | abrotman: how do i find it |
| 03:40.34 | myboxen | sciron so dd if=/dev/sda of=blah count=1 bs=512 should get it? |
| 03:40.41 | einsteinmg | spande: grml.org eg. |
| 03:40.47 | draft | abrotman: ops and no importance that in the XML file there is some SOAP no ? |
| 03:40.51 | veamos | is there any ares for debian, or something like that? |
| 03:40.56 | myboxen | syntax may be a bit off |
| 03:40.58 | abrotman | woodland: /stats p ... i guess |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | woodland: you could also .. /msg nickserv help |
| 03:41.06 | woodland | abrotman: ok |
| 03:41.17 | abrotman | draft: not that i'm aware |
| 03:41.18 | sciron | myboxen> no |
| 03:41.25 | sciron | myboxen> wait, you want a copy of it? yes |
| 03:41.27 | pilgrim | What's the difference between storing the mail in /var/spool/mail/<username> and ~/<username>? (Otherthan the path is everything else the same?) |
| 03:41.53 | draft | abrotman: ok |
| 03:42.04 | abrotman | pilgrim: quota inclusion is "easier" |
| 03:42.09 | myboxen | yes, I want to back it up. |
| 03:42.20 | xerophyte__ | is there any problem which can block if somebody try ssh around 10 times ?? |
| 03:42.21 | sciron | myboxen> then yes |
| 03:42.27 | woodland | abrotman: is '/stats p' a command? |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | pilgrim: admittedly .. if they're going to be large mailboxes .. maildir is a far better option |
| 03:42.34 | abrotman | woodland: for irc .. yes |
| 03:42.37 | spande | pilgrim: spool is the unix default where things first come in. ~ (mailfolders) can be same format as spool, but usually different. That's my view of it anyway. |
| 03:43.03 | veamos | is there any Ares for debian, or something like that? I mean a program where I can download music and videos.. |
| 03:43.04 | myboxen | sciron: I have a laptop, with a small partition at the end of the disk that will put the factory install back on, but if I wipe the boot sector by installing debian it wont work. |
| 03:43.15 | pilgrim | Cool. Thanks guys. |
| 03:43.18 | myboxen | so I need a copy of it so that it will work if I ever sell the laptop |
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| 03:43.26 | spande | xerophyte__ : there are throttles to prevent dictionary attacks. blocks would be a bad thing. |
| 03:43.33 | abrotman | myboxen: did you recently buy your laptop ? |
| 03:43.38 | myboxen | yes |
| 03:43.39 | sciron | aren't EULAs fun |
| 03:43.41 | abrotman | myboxen: from? |
| 03:43.47 | veamos | can anybody help me? |
| 03:43.50 | myboxen | thinkpad world |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | myboxen: so it's second hand ? |
| 03:44.05 | myboxen | no, new in box |
| 03:44.07 | xerophyte__ | spande, you mean sshd has it or ??? |
| 03:44.12 | abrotman | veamos: gtk-gnutella |
| 03:44.23 | veamos | ok, thanks |
| 03:44.24 | Thanatermesis_ | stew is all the .fdi files from the pacakge "hal" used with hal ? or some are just "demos" ? |
| 03:44.26 | abrotman | myboxen: so call IBM .. tell them you want install CDs |
| 03:44.28 | myboxen | it was overstock from a corporate backorder |
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| 03:45.04 | spande | xerophyte__ : no. It's a separate thing. Have a look through debian-adminstration.org site - a couple of months ago there was an article about implementing throttles along with discussion. |
| 03:45.25 | myboxen | abrotman: that is one possibility |
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| 03:45.39 | spande | veamos: also bittorrent, xmule |
| 03:45.48 | xerophyte__ | spande, thx |
| 03:45.54 | abrotman | myboxen: i did it .. they sent them |
| 03:46.06 | abrotman | myboxen: but i bought mine right from ibm |
| 03:46.23 | lunar | is the installer for testing supposed to set up XFS to be able to run after rebooting? or am I supposed to do something else? |
| 03:47.00 | ACU | OK - I got a lot of answers - I have a retoric question about Debian - why the default GUI is GNOME and not KDE and why if hardware recognition is not enhanced by using Knopix tools? |
| 03:47.02 | draft | im searching for an irc channel about "netxork". is anyone has one please ? |
| 03:47.07 | woodland | hi |
| 03:47.11 | draft | *network |
| 03:47.27 | abrotman | ACU: there is no default |
| 03:47.35 | abrotman | and knoppix is NOT debian |
| 03:48.23 | sciron | sure it is <G> |
| 03:48.31 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 03:48.32 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:49.03 | spande | ACU: er.. there is no default gui. You choose the gui you want - kde, gnome, icewm whatever. |
| 03:49.35 | spande | acu |
| 03:49.43 | spande | whoops. |
| 03:49.52 | epsilon | whcich package are recommended to monitor if services are running (such as apache, ftpd, sshd)? |
| 03:49.59 | einsteinmg | where is the difference between a harddisk installed kanotix and debian sid? |
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| 03:50.14 | myboxen | abrotman: thinkpad world is on ebay, and a certified IBM reseller, so all warranties etc.. carry as if you bought directly from IBM, if you care... I got mine for several hundred less, but it is an older model. T43p with upgrades. |
| 03:50.18 | pdbogen | Debian doesn't have any 'k's or 'x's in it. |
| 03:50.20 | abrotman | einsteinmg: ask #kanotix |
| 03:50.23 | einsteinmg | except that hw installed live-cd's tend to have far less bugs |
| 03:50.32 | einsteinmg | better hw recognition |
| 03:50.40 | abrotman | myboxen: so call IBM and ask them for install CDs |
| 03:50.40 | spande | ACU: you can install debian from knoppix with debootstrap, but it requires a bit too much geekiness probably for you. |
| 03:50.44 | pdbogen | ~start a holy war |
| 03:50.46 | apt | Balrogs have wings! |
| 03:50.46 | abrotman | einsteinmg: so go freaking use it .. |
| 03:51.01 | myboxen | abrotman: I shall, thanks for the recommendation. |
| 03:51.03 | abrotman | oh . plasma red screen eh ? |
| 03:51.12 | lunar | of course, it was missing a few parts. :P |
| 03:51.13 | einsteinmg | abrotman: there i no difference between them |
| 03:51.29 | einsteinmg | but it's not that easy to bring bugfixes back into debian :( |
| 03:51.51 | abrotman | einsteinmg: yes .. there is |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | they are spelled differently |
| 03:52.08 | myboxen | w/ dvd, burner, extra ram, + |
| 03:52.16 | abrotman | einsteinmg: if it were no different .. you'd just install sid |
| 03:52.33 | einsteinmg | abrotman: you can't install sid fully configured within 5minutes... |
| 03:52.40 | abrotman | wanna bet ? :) |
| 03:52.43 | einsteinmg | with about 2.2 GB software |
| 03:52.59 | epsilon | can anyone recommend me a good 5.1 soundcard+box running with debian? |
| 03:53.07 | sciron | einsteinmg> pass me that pipe you're using |
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| 03:53.31 | einsteinmg | abrotman: no you can't... |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | einsteinmg: honestly .. if you don't like Debian .. please go to #kanotix |
| 03:53.41 | sciron | 2.2gb installed in 5 minutes... I'd hate to see the config nightmare that you'd have to change afterwards :/ |
| 03:53.41 | abrotman | einsteinmg: neither can you .. it's impossible |
| 03:54.02 | abrotman | you can't transfer from a CD that fast :) |
| 03:54.09 | sciron | or even a dvd |
| 03:54.11 | einsteinmg | abrotman: grml has a install time of about 5-7min |
| 03:54.20 | abrotman | einsteinmg: really SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 03:54.25 | einsteinmg | abrotman: you too |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | einsteinmg: please go to #kanotix or ##linux |
| 03:54.32 | pdbogen | Couldn't you go troll in another channel, einsteinmg? |
| 03:54.38 | abrotman | einsteinmg: your bullshit about kanotix is offtopic here |
| 03:54.42 | abrotman | and your lies are just lies |
| 03:54.45 | lunar | ahh. /me tries again: |
| 03:54.51 | lunar | insmod xfs failed on reboot after this testing install. but the drive's cpqarray got inserted in the kernel (thus it can find the partitions). so what might be wrong? |
| 03:54.56 | einsteinmg | abrotman: stupid ignorant... |
| 03:55.03 | pdbogen | lunar: Anything in dmesg? |
| 03:55.04 | abrotman | offtopic idiot |
| 03:55.06 | ACU | maybe - I do not know how I got Gnome when I started - and for every small bit of common sense need I sweat hard - like connecting through a dialup etc - burning a DVD etc - then I found that KDE is most ready for most immediate needs than is Gnome ---- for the hardware recognition - I thought that the ideea of open source is that you can implemented whatever you want - feeding back to father Debian some features should be OK - does |
| 03:55.07 | ACU | not matter from what Distro comes --- (just a comment ) ----- |
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| 03:55.30 | einsteinmg | abrotman: an hdinstall from a live-cd is JUST a cp... nothing more... no uncompressing deb's or something |
| 03:55.31 | lunar | pdbogen: well, I can't see it cause it panic'd. |
| 03:55.37 | abrotman | einsteinmg: shut up .. debian has no liveCD |
| 03:55.38 | sciron | lunar> what's the response from insmod |
| 03:55.39 | sciron | ? |
| 03:55.44 | pdbogen | lunar: The insmod caused the panic? |
| 03:55.47 | sciron | lunar> or have you tried depmod? |
| 03:55.54 | spande | einsteinmg : how'd you install debian sarge from grml? |
| 03:55.56 | abrotman | not a released one yet anyways |
| 03:56.04 | epsilon | einsteinmg: you know a linux which has installed & configured 2.2GB within few minutes? |
| 03:56.12 | lunar | insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o: insmod xfs failed (twice displayed) |
| 03:56.14 | einsteinmg | epsilon: grml.org for example |
| 03:56.20 | einsteinmg | or imho kanotix too |
| 03:56.34 | abrotman | einsteinmg: please go to #kanotix |
| 03:56.38 | sciron | lunar> we can assume / is not xfs, correct? |
| 03:56.48 | einsteinmg | grml with grml2hd, it's just a copy from cd to hd with a few scripts to adjust the settings for hd |
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| 03:56.59 | einsteinmg | after that it's plain debian unstable with a few extra packages |
| 03:57.06 | sciron | abrotman> ignorance truly is bliss, eh? |
| 03:57.18 | abrotman | oh shit ... you mean it's NOT sid? go figure |
| 03:57.19 | lunar | sciron: actually no it's supposed to be xfs. it's /boot (ext2), swap (swap), /tmp (ext2) and / (xfs). |
| 03:57.23 | abrotman | i said that 10 minutes ago |
| 03:57.26 | epsilon | einsteinmg: man irony |
| 03:57.34 | abrotman | i hate stupid people |
| 03:57.40 | lunar | this is a new install. it's still trying to finish the base config. |
| 03:57.42 | spande | ACU: debian is best for admins. ubuntu is probably better for you. |
| 03:58.02 | sciron | lunar> grub? |
| 03:58.04 | larrikin_ | 8I hat irony.. I can never get the sleeves right |
| 03:58.05 | einsteinmg | spande: that could be hard ;), grml is based on debian unstable |
| 03:58.14 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 03:58.14 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:58.29 | spande | einsteinmg : always going to be based on unstable? |
| 03:58.34 | einsteinmg | yes |
| 03:58.35 | lunar | pdbogen actually it's /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file, then the panic |
| 03:58.45 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 03:58.45 | dpkg | somebody said devconsole was http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 03:58.46 | einsteinmg | sarge is unusable as workstation/desktop |
| 03:58.50 | abrotman | liar |
| 03:58.51 | einsteinmg | imho |
| 03:59.01 | navarr | I hate to ask.. but im getting a serious bug.. "hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } [newline] hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=118900589, sector=<changes> [newline] ide: failed opcode was: unknown [newline] end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector <changes>" multiple times when i use apt-get upgrade |
| 03:59.03 | pdbogen | lunar: That's to be expected if it can't mount your root partition. |
| 03:59.03 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 03:59.04 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 03:59.12 | pdbogen | navarr : Those usually indicate a hardware failure. |
| 03:59.17 | abrotman | navarr: back up your data .. NOW |
| 03:59.18 | sciron | lunar> grub or lilo or no bootloader or one of the other dozen bootloaders? |
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| 03:59.42 | voxluna | damn |
| 03:59.42 | abrotman | navarr: check all your cables .. and if nothing is lose .. get the ATM card and get a new drive |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | loose |
| 03:59.53 | voxluna | eek I'm a ghost |
| 04:00.11 | navarr | abrotman: i can't mount my backup partition now o0; |
| 04:00.11 | spande | ACU: depends I guess what your long term aim is. If you wanna get down and geek-k-k-ky, stick with debian - you'll love its power. If you want more of a solid MS windows replacement, ubuntu's better. Just my opinion, mind you. |
| 04:00.26 | einsteinmg | abrotman: http://grml.org/grml2hd/: "Depending of your hardware you can get a working linux box within 5 to 30 minutes!" |
| 04:00.28 | ACU | spande: thanks - I like to spend three more neurons for the better of humankind - so I thought Debian is best bet -----and this is what I will try to do - help "normal" people get the beauty and utility of open source - but again - it takes three more neurons and few extra ATP molecules |
| 04:00.30 | epsilon | navarr: make bacvkup. then check the cabling and run smartctl |
| 04:00.32 | einsteinmg | no lie, just reality |
| 04:00.43 | abrotman | could you just die? |
| 04:00.45 | lunar | bleh |
| 04:00.50 | spande | acu |
| 04:00.53 | spande | whoops |
| 04:00.59 | navarr | epsilon: is smartctl auto-matically installed? |
| 04:01.06 | einsteinmg | abrotman: not before you ;) |
| 04:01.10 | abrotman | navarr: no |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | nor is it enabled by default on install |
| 04:01.25 | lunar | sciron, pdbogen: sorry if I missed any responses...? |
| 04:01.30 | spande | the colon button on this tiny keyboard is too close to the return key ;-) |
| 04:01.30 | epsilon | navarr: there's a package - or take knoppix live-cd, it has smart, too |
| 04:01.31 | sciron | lunar> yep |
| 04:01.33 | abrotman | i don't care .. as long as you die .. i'll be happy knowing you're going down too |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | navarr: you have no way to backup your data ? |
| 04:01.57 | sciron | lunar> grub or lilo or no bootloader or one of the other dozen bootloaders? |
| 04:01.57 | epsilon | !kill abrotman |
| 04:02.00 | navarr | epsilon: I cant install it using a package, because the problem is all in getting packages |
| 04:02.02 | abrotman | ironic |
| 04:02.07 | navarr | abrotman: my backup partition is suddenly not working |
| 04:02.07 | spande | ACU: if you know debian, you'll be able to do pretty much what you want with ubuntu anyway. |
| 04:02.13 | pdbogen | !lart einsteinmg |
| 04:02.15 | abrotman | navarr: on the same failing drive ? |
| 04:02.26 | navarr | abrotman: no, on the master drive |
| 04:02.45 | abrotman | navarr: have you been messing inside the case? |
| 04:02.55 | navarr | abrotman: yes.. but it was giving me this error before i was. |
| 04:03.03 | lunar | sciron: well this is when using grub. I can't install lilo for some reason with this netinst CD. I just got this machine (CPQ Smart Array 221) so I dunno what might have worked before. I did get Ubuntu (ducks) working, strangely. not sure why Debian won't play. |
| 04:03.07 | pdbogen | navarr : Maybe your controller has failed. |
| 04:03.13 | pdbogen | navarr : Or your IDE cable spontaneously corroded. |
| 04:03.15 | abrotman | navarr: maybe it's actually a dying mobo/controller |
| 04:03.21 | abrotman | pdbogen: or melted :) |
| 04:03.22 | sciron | lunar> grub and xfs are bad bad bad juju |
| 04:03.30 | spande | ACU: the way it has ended up with me is I use debian on most machines, and machines I leave for others to handle I get them going with ubuntu |
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| 04:03.36 | abrotman | navarr: check for cable problems .. |
| 04:03.48 | sciron | lunar> however, you do have an ext2 /boot, which is puzzling, though it might explain it can't find a console. custom kernel? |
| 04:03.49 | pdbogen | Yay, dist-upgrade finished, I can go to bed now. |
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| 04:04.28 | lunar | sciron: ecch. OK I will note that. actually I was just playing, because Reiser didn't want to work either. when I use the 2.6 kernel I get /dev/ida!c0d0p4 doesn't exist. yes I know, ! not / which seems to be the problem. 2.4 doesn't go through the initramfs business but now seems not to have allowed XFS. |
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| 04:05.07 | lunar | sciron: custom, no... it's right off the netinst CD. it's 2.4.27-1-386 IIRC... it gives you those 4 choices. |
| 04:05.09 | sciron | lunar> why does that reek of devfs? /dev/ida? that is grossly unfamiliar |
| 04:05.22 | navarr | abrotman: everything seems to be the same as it always have, from the looks, i don't know any other way to check |
| 04:05.32 | lunar | sciron: that is what I understand SCSI disks do... and/or arrays. it's RAID 1+0. |
| 04:05.51 | lunar | I've seen it do that before on a Smart 2/P with RAID 5. |
| 04:05.55 | sciron | lunar> don't know if I can be much more help than what I've offered sorry. I've done XFS a lot, with SCSI, but I'm missing the RAID experience |
| 04:06.01 | abrotman | navarr: a multimeter :) |
| 04:06.09 | navarr | abrotman: don't have one. |
| 04:06.29 | lunar | sciron: that's OK, at least you responded. ;) I think this is gonna be another trial and error kind of thing. |
| 04:06.47 | sciron | i've done lvm/2/evms before, but just not raid |
| 04:06.55 | abrotman | navarr: you can try a liveCD .. but i don't think it's going to help |
| 04:07.00 | ACU | Guys- you might find stupid my ideea - but it will be extraordinary to establish a DEBIAN HELPDESK center - where people or corporations can call up and have problems solved - even using some remote desktop - I think the biggest bottleneck in expanding open source is the lack of technical support - but that's it - I hope this comment is not considered troll hand etc ------ but we must think of it |
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| 04:07.14 | sciron | lol |
| 04:07.15 | plasmoduck_ | hello |
| 04:07.19 | abrotman | navarr: have another machine around ? |
| 04:07.33 | epsilon | navarr: plug the drive on another box and check there |
| 04:07.35 | plasmoduck_ | how can I setup my debian box so I can dialup to it from my mates to get on the net? |
| 04:08.32 | abrotman | plasmoduck_: check at tldp.org .. should be a HOWTO |
| 04:09.42 | lunar | sciron: I've been using debian for, oh, 4 years but it's all self-taught so, ya know, I only know what I've needed to. and RAID/non-IDE have not been in that picture until now. ;) |
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| 04:10.01 | netstar | Where does debian install qt3 includes and kde includes? |
| 04:10.05 | sciron | non-ide rocks :> |
| 04:10.13 | netstar | /usr/include/kde and /usr/include/qt3 ? |
| 04:10.18 | lunar | sciron, I agree. that's why I bought this machine. RAID and SMP goodness :) |
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| 04:10.46 | lunar | got it for $50 bucks on eBay. dual 933 P3's, a gig of ECC, three 18GB Seagates in RAID, Compaq proliant server. tasty fun. |
| 04:10.49 | sciron | i almost landed an old PERC2, it's still at a friends' house :> |
| 04:11.06 | sciron | i had an older proliant, nice machines, currently have a dually 500 hp kayaz |
| 04:11.06 | lunar | oh and a DDS-4 drive. >:) |
| 04:11.08 | sciron | *kayak |
| 04:11.11 | sciron | OH! |
| 04:11.12 | sciron | NICE |
| 04:11.21 | lunar | yeah. too bad it cost me more to ship it than buy it. |
| 04:11.27 | sciron | lol |
| 04:11.35 | sciron | the ~450's were heavy |
| 04:11.51 | lunar | yeah this is an ML350 -- G1 I think. 60 lbs. |
| 04:12.39 | epsilon | lunar: that for 50$? amazing |
| 04:13.07 | lunar | yeah... the others on eBay were ~150-200. |
| 04:14.02 | lunar | AND, they were like single P3-600's and 512MB and 2 drives. |
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| 04:15.00 | abrotman | soundblaster? |
| 04:15.11 | sciron | i tend to get the dually 500's for free |
| 04:15.16 | epsilon | working fine with debian? |
| 04:15.20 | abrotman | i still can't believe ben stiller is in this movie |
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| 04:17.12 | Jimtendo | Hi.. Has anyone here had an error of "OPC Failed" when trying to burn with k3b? |
| 04:17.24 | abrotman | checked the BTS? |
| 04:17.32 | Jimtendo | BTS? |
| 04:17.37 | abrotman | !bts |
| 04:17.37 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 04:18.34 | Jimtendo | I'll check it out.. Thanks |
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| 04:19.01 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 04:19.12 | epsilon | hm, does linux support sound'card' at USB? |
| 04:19.13 | abrotman | !ops sear spamming |
| 04:19.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: sear spamming |
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| 04:19.28 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 04:19.36 | sciron | epsilon> yep |
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| 04:19.59 | lunar | *flush* |
| 04:20.08 | abrotman | thank you mr./mrs. ircop |
| 04:20.08 | jnc | *wiipe* |
| 04:20.15 | lunar | haha |
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| 04:20.48 | leitoo | hola |
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| 04:20.53 | lunar | I'd think that order might should be reversed, tho. ;) |
| 04:21.11 | abrotman | lunar: come on .. don't you flush and then pull your pants up without wiping? |
| 04:21.27 | sciron | ewww, wash your hands too |
| 04:21.28 | sciron | :P |
| 04:21.35 | lunar | don't think I've ever been in that much of a hurry |
| 04:21.58 | epsilon | .oO (Mr & Mrs IRC-OP - staring Jonjelia Alie and Pratt Bitt - watch how both tries to k-line each other) |
| 04:22.23 | nomasteryoda|w | lol |
| 04:22.43 | jnc | K-Line is located out of WI just north of here |
| 04:22.51 | jnc | i see those trucks with some regularity |
| 04:23.14 | jnc | pretty sure that motorists around me are confused why i am laughing my ass off |
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| 04:25.48 | danieltec | and now? |
| 04:26.23 | danieltec | bytes |
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| 04:27.03 | epsilon | Aha. Soundblaster is using a soundchip which is as fast as a P4 at 3.6GHz and don't need any cooling. Nice to know. |
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| 04:28.41 | DonkeyHote | has anyone in here ever seen a 32-octet Hardware address in ifconfig? |
| 04:29.05 | DonkeyHote | I can't do ifup because of "unknown hardware address type 24" |
| 04:29.25 | epsilon | you mean MAC address? |
| 04:29.46 | DonkeyHote | same thing, yea. |
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| 04:30.09 | fags | woops |
| 04:30.32 | minerale | Ok, I erased one of my installed distros and Grub went up in flames... I've now booted knoppix... how may I install GRUB? |
| 04:31.08 | epsilon | grub-install something... try "grub-<tab><tab>" |
| 04:32.07 | DonkeyHote | The debian etch i386 installer autodetected and got a valid DHCP address for it, then on first boot, I couldn't do anything with apt, so i tried ifup, which led me to the problem |
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| 04:32.40 | DonkeyHote | is there a different config program |
| 04:32.53 | runo- | have you tried manually with ifconfig? |
| 04:33.12 | DonkeyHote | I've never tried setting it up with ifconfig |
| 04:33.29 | DonkeyHote | I've always relied on ifup and ifdown. |
| 04:33.41 | DonkeyHote | I'll check the man pages and see what I can come up with |
| 04:33.47 | DonkeyHote | I'll ask if I have any pressing quesetions. |
| 04:34.15 | sciron | DonkeyHote> it's easy: ifconfig eth0 <ip addr> <netmask> up |
| 04:34.37 | DonkeyHote | can I try for DHCP? |
| 04:34.47 | sciron | make it work first ;-) |
| 04:35.04 | sciron | unless you have no choice |
| 04:35.17 | sciron | then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:35.45 | sciron | DonkeyHote> you only need one line in interfaces to make dhcp work |
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| 04:36.12 | DonkeyHote | SIOCSIFADDR: invalid arg. |
| 04:36.42 | DonkeyHote | but ifconfig shows an address on it now. |
| 04:36.49 | sciron | DonkeyHote> do you know what chipset the card uses? |
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| 04:37.35 | DonkeyHote | shoot, cat /proc/pci: no such file or directory... what gives? |
| 04:37.51 | sciron | DonkeyHote> lspci |
| 04:38.05 | DonkeyHote | no such. |
| 04:38.12 | sciron | DonkeyHote> are you root? |
| 04:38.13 | DonkeyHote | in sbin or bin |
| 04:38.14 | DonkeyHote | yes. |
| 04:38.18 | spande | anyone used vsound with skype? |
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| 04:38.32 | sciron | DonkeyHote> /proc/pci is a deprecated interface, typically |
| 04:38.46 | DonkeyHote | is it really? I liked it.. |
| 04:39.05 | DonkeyHote | I haven't really used debian much since woody, so much has changed... |
| 04:39.38 | DonkeyHote | it hardly resembles woody or especially potato for that matter. |
| 04:40.39 | sciron | DonkeyHote> 'updatedb && locate lspci' ? |
| 04:40.45 | sciron | DonkeyHote> I'm reaching here |
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| 04:41.16 | minerale | does grub support xfs? |
| 04:41.17 | DonkeyHote | nothing returned. |
| 04:41.26 | DonkeyHote | I'll give you the run-down if you like. |
| 04:41.35 | DonkeyHote | maybe background would help |
| 04:41.37 | danieldg | installing the debsig-verify package prevents me from installing any other package with the error "debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed." Is this package useful, and if so, how to use it? |
| 04:41.47 | sciron | mindbob> it sucks, you're lucky if it does work |
| 04:43.19 | sciron | DonkeyHote> don't know, if you can't find the PCI bus, something is afoot |
| 04:43.19 | DonkeyHote | I read on www.debian.org in the release notes for etch that the task selection (i.e. the "what do you want your computer to be" tool in the installer) doesn't install Xorg correctly |
| 04:43.57 | DonkeyHote | so I opted for none of those options, including "standard system" |
| 04:44.23 | DonkeyHote | In past releases I've been able to get away with that quite easily and then when I rebooted, I'd get into the base config program |
| 04:44.41 | sciron | DonkeyHote> same here, however, if I dug a little, I'm pretty sure lspci would be found in a standard set |
| 04:44.45 | DonkeyHote | then I could install everything I wanted and not have to have all that extra crap |
| 04:44.58 | DonkeyHote | I'm pretty sure as well |
| 04:45.17 | spande | ok, vsound worked as expected with mpg123. How do I get it recording sound from skype? |
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| 04:45.20 | DonkeyHote | that's a rather basic tool in my mind. :) |
| 04:45.26 | sciron | DonkeyHote> apt-get install pcutils |
| 04:45.40 | DonkeyHote | I'll tell you a little about the computer |
| 04:45.43 | rob | hi, is there a deb for turbogears? (I'm using sarge) |
| 04:47.01 | DonkeyHote | its a Sun Microsystems built AMD opteron 14x series processor, a somewhat customized motherboard - although nothing too special, onboard Gig Ethernet, sound (intel i810 I think), video (ati) and the other usual suspects |
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| 04:47.13 | DonkeyHote | apt doesn't work, remember :) |
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| 04:47.44 | sciron | d'oh |
| 04:48.04 | DonkeyHote | I put a GeForce 6800xt in it |
| 04:48.08 | sciron | DonkeyHote> don't know the vendor of the NIC chipset? |
| 04:48.09 | DonkeyHote | but other than that, its stock |
| 04:48.13 | sciron | pray it's not via.... |
| 04:48.16 | DonkeyHote | dual 250 gig sata. |
| 04:48.24 | DonkeyHote | I dunno... I'll open it up and check |
| 04:48.37 | sciron | DonkeyHote> or |
| 04:48.41 | DonkeyHote | (note that I'm on a laptop, and not the actual box :)) |
| 04:48.56 | sciron | DonkeyHote> go look in /lib/modules/<version>/kernel/drivers/net and modprobe your nuts off |
| 04:49.04 | sciron | (did I rememeber that path correctly?) |
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| 04:49.18 | DonkeyHote | lol... I think I'll at least try to get a clue, so I can somewhat narrow that list down. |
| 04:49.28 | sciron | won't be too hard, for 1gb nic |
| 04:49.34 | sciron | there are only about a dozen supported ones |
| 04:49.53 | DonkeyHote | what bothers me is that it autodetected it without even a slight hiccup in the installer, then its left useless afterwards. |
| 04:50.01 | sciron | i smell via |
| 04:50.15 | spande | eh, kewl, I can probably do something with a fifo |
| 04:50.25 | DonkeyHote | One would think that the same drivers/detection schemes would be built into the OS if its installer is capable. |
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| 04:50.53 | sciron | DonkeyHote> they are, but Via has, in the recent past, used something along the order of one NIC chipset per m/b they make chips for :/ makes things a pita |
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| 04:51.02 | sciron | (no, I exagerated for effect) |
| 04:51.05 | navarr | alright.. I installed smart.. both hard drives are working alright.. both are marked as pass.. and i only get the I/O error when using apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade but not apt-get install |
| 04:51.52 | blujay | navarr: what error? |
| 04:52.13 | navarr | blujay: I/O error on /dev/hdb on several different sectors. |
| 04:52.24 | blujay | maybe you should try badblocks |
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| 04:52.29 | navarr | ? |
| 04:52.44 | DonkeyHote | ok, there is a via chip in there |
| 04:52.48 | navarr | blujay: further please? |
| 04:52.55 | sciron | DonkeyHote> modprobe via-velocity I think |
| 04:53.00 | blujay | navarr: apt-cache show badblocks |
| 04:53.02 | sciron | DonkeyHote> 2.6? |
| 04:53.04 | DonkeyHote | its a VT 6307 |
| 04:53.15 | DonkeyHote | yes, 2.6 (default on the etch installer) |
| 04:53.23 | navarr | blujay: No package found |
| 04:53.38 | blujay | navarr: sorry... $ man badblocks |
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| 04:54.00 | blujay | navarr: you might also check $ smartcl -a /dev/hdb |
| 04:54.09 | blujay | navarr: er.. $ smartctl -a /dev/hdb |
| 04:54.12 | sciron | DonkeyHote> try the velocity, it's the only support gb VIA |
| 04:54.24 | sciron | DonkeyHote> otherwise you're sol |
| 04:54.33 | sciron | afaik |
| 04:54.41 | DonkeyHote | what was that long path you said earlier? |
| 04:55.16 | sciron | DonkeyHote> just 'modprobe velocity' |
| 04:55.19 | sciron | it should work if you're lucky |
| 04:55.31 | DonkeyHote | velocity not found |
| 04:55.35 | DonkeyHote | how about via-velocity? |
| 04:55.48 | DonkeyHote | no error returned... |
| 04:55.53 | sciron | sounds like luck |
| 04:56.04 | sciron | mine's velocity.ko (no extension, obviously, needed) |
| 04:56.09 | sciron | but i'm using an smp kernel |
| 04:56.21 | DonkeyHote | via-velocity shows up in a 'lsmod' |
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| 04:56.31 | sciron | oooo, you might very well be lucky |
| 04:56.40 | DonkeyHote | ther eis a crc_ccit used by via_velocity |
| 04:56.41 | sciron | afaik gb nics don't have longer macs either |
| 04:57.29 | sciron | the 32 octets would be an ipv6 address |
| 04:57.46 | DonkeyHote | that's listed under HWaddr (MAC address) |
| 04:58.16 | DonkeyHote | I think the module is loaded ok, I just can't do an ifup |
| 04:58.16 | sciron | and not to the right of inet6 addr: ? |
| 04:58.30 | sciron | DonkeyHote> can you do static, or do you HAVE to have dhcp atm? |
| 04:58.46 | DonkeyHote | no, I swear, I can't make this stuff up. :) |
| 04:59.06 | navarr | blujay: it shows a number of bad blocks ._. |
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| 04:59.13 | DonkeyHote | it says eth1: unknown hardware address type 24 (gives me that line twice) |
| 04:59.26 | DonkeyHote | then Listening on LPF/eth1/<null> |
| 04:59.36 | DonkeyHote | then Sending on LPF/eth1/<null> |
| 04:59.48 | DonkeyHote | then Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net |
| 05:00.12 | blujay | navarr: well, that's not good. though, you can force the disk to remap them... |
| 05:00.26 | blujay | navarr: there's a how-to... |
| 05:00.29 | DonkeyHote | then repeated "DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval {increasing number each time} |
| 05:01.09 | blujay | navarr: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/BadBlockHowTo.txt (at your own risk) |
| 05:01.43 | navarr | blujay: well, i don't want to do something risky until i can backup.. which is giving me problems because it now says that /dev/hda is not ext3.. do you know how I could reformat it? |
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| 05:02.03 | blujay | navarr: what is saying that hda is not ext3? |
| 05:02.20 | DonkeyHote | I tried earlier when you said to configure it as a static interface |
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| 05:02.51 | DonkeyHote | the only difference is that since I have assigned an IP address to it, things time out over a longer period of time rather than returning immediately with an error. |
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| 05:03.23 | navarr | blujay: can't find ext3 file system on dev hda |
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| 05:03.30 | blujay | navarr: what can't find it? |
| 05:03.43 | navarr | blujay: $ mount /backup |
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| 05:04.01 | blujay | navarr: what does # fdisk -l /dev/hda show? |
| 05:04.44 | navarr | blujay: http://www.gtaero.net/fdisk.txt |
| 05:05.04 | navarr | blujay: srry, can't copy/paste =\ |
| 05:05.11 | blujay | navarr: and what is on hda1? |
| 05:05.43 | navarr | blujay: well, nothing anymore. I deleted the backup directory on it.. so it should only have a "lost+found" directory |
| 05:06.08 | runo- | donkeyhote: could you upload your 'ifconfig' and 'ifconfig -a' output to pastebin |
| 05:06.16 | blujay | navarr: try #mount /dev/hda1 /mnt (unless you already have things in /mnt, then choose a different mount point) |
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| 05:07.03 | navarr | blujay: that worked i mounted it to /backup, thx ^^; |
| 05:07.20 | blujay | navarr: check /etc/fstab. you also might want to run fsck on hda1 |
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| 05:09.11 | DonkeyHote | runo- how would I do that? |
| 05:09.15 | DonkeyHote | what is a pastebin? |
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| 05:10.06 | DonkeyHote | I could type it all out, but since it won't connect to the network, I can't paste (since its a different box) |
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| 05:11.14 | yang | does someone know how the program "proxycheck" works? |
| 05:12.04 | yang | DonkeyHote: you might want to paste info #flood |
| 05:12.26 | epsilon | hm |
| 05:12.28 | sciron | back, sorry, daughter's butt just exploded |
| 05:12.44 | DonkeyHote | sciron: ugh.. |
| 05:12.48 | blujay | sciron: now won't she be glad you said that 10 years from now :) |
| 05:12.48 | epsilon | I just managed to use all drive letters von C-Z on a Windows box |
| 05:12.55 | sciron | uh huh, and I was being nice... |
| 05:13.10 | DonkeyHote | yang: I'll paste it into flood. |
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| 05:14.10 | BlackJudas | What's the most recommended network filesystem? Still NFS? cifs? :o Simple sharing would be supar. but nfs has always been somewhat... lame. |
| 05:14.16 | runo- | donkeyhote: might be worth trying to first shut down the interface 'ifconfig eth1 down' the configure it with e.g. 'ifconfig eth1 inet up 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0' to see if it works ok then. after that works, try some dhcp client. |
| 05:16.49 | icyfire0573 | asI'm joining the conversation late, but if DonQuixote could give me a quick summary I'd be glad to help if possible. |
| 05:17.03 | sciron | nfs is rather quite good |
| 05:17.05 | sciron | using v4 :/ |
| 05:18.33 | DonkeyHote | runo: sorry, didn't work. |
| 05:19.02 | DonkeyHote | should I modprobe anything first? |
| 05:19.09 | DonkeyHote | via-velocity |
| 05:19.43 | runo- | you probed it earlier already didn't you |
| 05:20.09 | DonkeyHote | icyfire0573: basically, I just finished installing etch i386 and my nic isn't working, plus, it has a very long MAC address |
| 05:20.26 | DonkeyHote | I rebooted since then, I'll ifdown, modprobe, then ifup again. |
| 05:20.32 | DonkeyHote | ok? |
| 05:20.40 | sciron | DonkeyHote> it's not UNDER HWaddr is it? you mentioned that before... |
| 05:20.51 | spande | uh. how lame. apparently stuck with using 2 machines if you wanna record skype while you talk. Mebbe time to use vmware |
| 05:20.57 | DonkeyHote | sciron: no, directly after (I pasted it to #flood) |
| 05:21.08 | runo- | you should try withot those fancy ifpdown and just try with ifconfig to narrow down the problem |
| 05:21.22 | DonkeyHote | runo: sure. |
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| 05:24.16 | icyfire0573 | DonkeyHote, you have an IP address? |
| 05:24.17 | DonkeyHote | runo: 'ifconfig eth1 down' then 'modprobe via-velocity' then 'ifup eth1 inet up <ip> netmask <netmask>' to no avail. |
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| 05:24.17 | icyfire0573 | ro the NIC isn't working at all? |
| 05:24.17 | DonkeyHote | icyfire0573: only if I specify one. DHCP won't go. |
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| 05:24.29 | DonkeyHote | icyfire0573: worked fine for the install |
| 05:25.35 | runo- | well that 'ifup ...' should be 'ifconfig ...' if you are going to try without ifupdown |
| 05:25.40 | DonkeyHote | Knoppix is debian based, no? I was able to boot to a Knoppix 3.2 cd and use it with no problem. Should I boot into that and see what kind of info I can glean? |
| 05:26.00 | DonkeyHote | oh, sorry, it was ifconfig, my bad, I was thinking one thing and typing another. |
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| 05:26.36 | icyfire0573 | Just a quick verification, Knoppix works, and Debian doesn't? |
| 05:26.55 | DonkeyHote | icyfire0573: pretty much. |
| 05:27.06 | DonkeyHote | depending on your definition of "works" |
| 05:27.22 | runo- | donkeyhote: do i recall correctly you did not install even 'standard system' during install? |
| 05:27.31 | DonkeyHote | runo-: correct. |
| 05:28.10 | DonkeyHote | I haven't used debian since woody, and I preferred that method becuase I could get only what I wanted, and no extra crap. |
| 05:29.04 | icyfire0573 | so. dhclient for debian fails? |
| 05:29.15 | icyfire0573 | err. dhclient eth0 fails? |
| 05:29.17 | DonkeyHote | I suppose I could go back and install again with 'standard system' checked. It fails to install Xorg correctly, and on a previous attempt, it still had no effect on the NIC problem. |
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| 05:29.25 | icyfire0573 | let me make that command specific |
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| 05:29.37 | icyfire0573 | "dhclient eth0" |
| 05:30.33 | runo- | well, X has nothing to do with 'standard system', it installs just the tools you need for basic working system |
| 05:30.47 | DonkeyHote | icyfire0573: I'm thinking this is more of a configuration error, rather than DHCP, since that works during an installation. |
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| 05:31.38 | icyfire0573 | !pastebin |
| 05:31.38 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 05:31.39 | DonkeyHote | runo-: the "known issues" section of www.debian.org said that that selection tool wouldn't do X right. |
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| 05:32.13 | runo- | yes that's correct, you should select just 'standard system' during installation |
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| 05:32.42 | DonkeyHote | alright... I suppose I can run through the installer again with that option checked |
| 05:33.08 | runo- | donkeyhote: since it says 'no avail' are you sure it actually is eth0 and not eth1? |
| 05:33.17 | DonkeyHote | in the mean time - do you know why LILO only gives me the options of installing itself to /dev/sda2 or /dev/sdb 'MBR'? |
| 05:33.18 | icyfire0573 | if you want to try and paste your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 05:33.42 | DonkeyHote | I'd like to install it to /dev/sda 'MBR' |
| 05:33.47 | runo- | sorry i meant to say: are you sure it is eth1 and not eth0 |
| 05:33.56 | icyfire0573 | DonkeyHote, I dont' know about LILO, the best I would say is that is all the drives it detects :-/ |
| 05:34.01 | DonkeyHote | yes, I'm sure. |
| 05:34.14 | runo- | absolutely sure? ;p |
| 05:34.19 | Azar | DonkeyHote: did you installed Etch rather than upgrade from Woody? |
| 05:34.39 | DonkeyHote | that's what it uses during installation - eth0 won't do a thing. |
| 05:35.00 | DonkeyHote | businesscard iso installer. |
| 05:35.13 | DonkeyHote | etch i386 (and I've tried amd64 as well) |
| 05:35.21 | Azar | bah |
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| 05:35.41 | Azar | I have hard time with new installers so I just go from Woody up step by step |
| 05:35.57 | Azar | .. and it works very well |
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| 05:36.04 | DonkeyHote | icyfire0573: it detects both drives, and it gives me the option of installing to one of the partitions of /dev/sda but not to the mbr of said drive. |
| 05:36.17 | icyfire0573 | said? Raid? |
| 05:36.52 | DonkeyHote | Azar, you know... that doesn't sound half bad if it will work... I had a box I tried to do something similar on though, and X seems to blow itself up every upgrade it gets. |
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| 05:37.23 | DonkeyHote | runo-: the screen never says "to no avail." |
| 05:37.42 | Azar | DonkeyHote: it comes with the territory: Woody> Sarge > kernel 2.6.8 > Etch > kernel 2.6.15 then charge on X |
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| 05:37.47 | DonkeyHote | icyfire0573: they are just two identical 250 gig sata drives. |
| 05:38.29 | DonkeyHote | Azar: do you know anything about the status of Call of Duty 2 in wine? |
| 05:38.38 | icyfire0573 | so, cat /proc/mdstat returns normal? |
| 05:38.48 | Azar | DonkeyHote: I never used wine, because I do not need it |
| 05:39.08 | runo- | donkeyhote: you should make sure you are coniguring the right interface, it might be eth0 now alhough it was eth1 during install, check what 'ifconfig -a' tells you. |
| 05:39.24 | DonkeyHote | I'd never have strayed from debian had it not been for games. |
| 05:39.25 | Azar | PS2 for gaming PC for Debian 100% |
| 05:39.34 | DonkeyHote | runo-: I'm pretty sure I've got the right one. |
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| 05:40.31 | Azar | keeping things simple makes your life happy: TV set for television, DVD for movies , PS2 for gaming, radio/CD for music |
| 05:40.53 | foo | Heh, my irssi crashed twice while trying to join this channel earlier. very weird. Anyways, I am on a new kernel ... and eth1 used to be my pcmcia card. When I reinsert the card, I see it in the log, but it's not called eth1. What else should I try? |
| 05:40.57 | Azar | and ofcourse PC for Debian linux |
| 05:41.07 | DonkeyHote | runo-: that is the one I configured in the installer, and that is the only one in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 05:41.44 | DonkeyHote | Azar: I can't stand consoles... mouse-look is way better than those damned little sticks - I never could get used to them. |
| 05:42.07 | Azar | DonkeyHote: I might be old school: allways hated the mouse and the icons |
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| 05:42.36 | DonkeyHote | Azar: plus, my version of simple looks like: PC with Debian for DVD's, Games, work, play, etc. |
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| 05:43.01 | Azar | :) best game ever: nethack-console |
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| 05:43.22 | DonkeyHote | Azar: my vote goes to CoD2. |
| 05:44.08 | DonkeyHote | and since my bachelor party/LAN party is tomorrow, I kinda need something up and running soon so I can get some sleep and prepare my liver. |
| 05:44.21 | foo | What is the typical device name for a wifi card instead of eth0? wlan0 ? AH! I think that's it. |
| 05:44.30 | DonkeyHote | I just wanted my nice new opteron to never have to run windows... |
| 05:44.53 | Azar | o/t for the past 4 weeks I experienced DNS attacks anyone has had issues with DNS lately? |
| 05:45.17 | DonkeyHote | Azar: just slow websurfing from home and work, actually. |
| 05:45.37 | Azar | I had short interruptions several times/day |
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| 05:46.34 | Azar | I had to apply shameful tactics in order to have the connection going |
| 05:46.46 | sciron | Azar> the roots did |
| 05:46.46 | DonkeyHote | anyone want to start a "debian-classic" installer project w/ me? This new one sucks (in my humble, and probably under-educated opinion) |
| 05:47.05 | deepz | guys i have a problem i have kernel 2.6.15 and iptables 1.3.3 |
| 05:47.07 | icyfire0573 | Azar, I run PDNS here, what do you mean by issues, i haven't exprienced anything personally |
| 05:47.12 | deepz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.25 | deepz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.25 | deepz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.29 | runo- | the new installer is ok if you boot with the 'expert' installer |
| 05:47.38 | Azar | icyfire0573: well I cannot protect my DNS behind a firewall anymore |
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| 05:47.55 | minerale | if debian was a woman I'd so marry her... I do -- |
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| 05:48.28 | DonkeyHote | runo-: I'll give that a shot... but my hopes aren't too high at this point. |
| 05:48.31 | Azar | DonkeyHote: indeed the new installers don't go ok with me either, so I keep using Woody installer |
| 05:49.18 | DonkeyHote | I just liked the potato/woody way of doing things - not much autodetection, not much bulk-selection of packages. |
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| 05:49.35 | DonkeyHote | and LILO as the default bootloader. |
| 05:49.42 | Azar | DonkeyHote: ... and the partitioning is easier too |
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| 05:49.56 | icyfire0573 | I don't have a firewall either , but thats a lazy/time issue inssssstead of a personal decision. |
| 05:50.10 | DonkeyHote | Azar: agreed. |
| 05:50.31 | Azar | .. and the connection setting is more elegant in Woody |
| 05:50.53 | Azar | everything takes one by the hand with Woody installer |
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| 05:51.56 | runo- | i really don't see that much difference between woody installer and the new installers expert option |
| 05:52.00 | Azar | so I guess I will keep installing and running WArgEtch |
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| 05:52.28 | DonkeyHote | I read a really good article that basically said "You can give someone all the options in the world, but if you don't explain them, they don't mean anything to anyone except the small minority who are the experts." |
| 05:52.37 | icyfire0573 | WArgEtch? I don't follow, what is this program? |
| 05:52.41 | Azar | runo- crap the new expert installer craps when it comes to partition |
| 05:53.00 | Azar | icyfire0573: 3 Debian versions combined |
| 05:53.29 | DonkeyHote | Moral of the story: if a n00b can't do it, you limit your growth. |
| 05:53.44 | DonkeyHote | n00bs will go somewhere else instead of sticking around and becoming the experts. |
| 05:54.35 | Azar | DonkeyHote: we are all n00bs at something, take the cooking, my mom is an expert |
| 05:54.54 | DonkeyHote | runo-: the old installer you had to specify and try to modprobe each driver you wanted (at least for network, sound, etc.) the new one autodetects it. (as long as it does it correctly, its not a problem) |
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| 05:55.27 | Azar | DonkeyHote: piece of cake with modconf |
| 05:55.35 | runo- | but you can disable autodetecting with the boot options and load everything manually if you want |
| 05:56.26 | Azar | .. yes unless you got one of the latest hardware around then yes, Woody would crack |
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| 05:56.56 | DonkeyHote | runo-: well, whatever the issue is, I'd like to find it and use debian again |
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| 05:57.57 | DonkeyHote | I definately don't want to be around when Windows Vista hits... |
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| 05:58.13 | DonkeyHote | I'd like to be 100% MS free by then. |
| 05:58.29 | DonkeyHote | ok, I'm in the installer |
| 05:58.29 | Azar | but interesting thing with Woody, I installed it on a friend's new box, it was a SATA-ready box but the HD was IDE. BIOS was having SATA enabled so before I checked it out, I tried to install Sarge from the installer CD: it did not even boot-up. I put the Woody installer CD and went ok with a 2.4 kernel. When to up to 2.6.8 I got the warning about SATA issue. |
| 05:58.35 | DonkeyHote | primary network interface |
| 05:58.45 | DonkeyHote | eth0 is listed as Ethernet or Fast Ethernet |
| 05:59.00 | DonkeyHote | eth1 is listed as nVidia Corp. CK804 Ethernet Controller |
| 05:59.32 | DonkeyHote | I've tried eth0 in the installer before, but it always fails (note that there is only 1 rj45 port on this computer) |
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| 06:00.26 | foo | Hmm, I have an original orinoco gold card. I reinsert the card, and I see messages from the kernel in my log saying the card was ejected. However, when I try to bring up eth1, it doesn't come up. No such device. This card worked fine on a different kernel. What should I do? |
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| 06:00.56 | Azar | foo what distro? what kernel version? |
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| 06:00.59 | fags | woops |
| 06:01.24 | callan | Is it fairly safe to use backports? More specifically the kernel backport? I need a later kernel for a wireless adapter. |
| 06:01.26 | DonkeyHote | eth0 times out on DHCP, eth1 hits right away. |
| 06:01.47 | gladiuz | Hi |
| 06:01.53 | spikeb | callan, fairly, yes. |
| 06:02.04 | Azar | callan: it might be but I preferred to upgrade to etch. |
| 06:02.21 | gladiuz | #flood |
| 06:02.26 | callan | I've had lots of problems with Etch in the past. |
| 06:02.40 | spikeb | that is always going to be the case |
| 06:03.02 | Azar | callan: I have abstained from it so far but I decided to test it on this test box, and to be honest it goes ok since I use it with moderation |
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| 06:03.20 | callan | I mean right from the start. |
| 06:03.33 | Azar | ... I use the simplest desktop configuration so I am ok |
| 06:03.35 | callan | As soon as I upgrade every time I have tonnes of stuff to work out. |
| 06:03.42 | foo | Azar: debian unstable, 2.6.16 |
| 06:03.46 | callan | I can't really be bothered. :/ |
| 06:03.53 | Azar | foo brrrr.. /me runs away |
| 06:04.04 | foo | Azar: haha, why |
| 06:04.04 | foo | ? |
| 06:04.14 | runo- | azar: what is that wargetch, google found nothing on it |
| 06:04.18 | shogunx | callan ever heard the saying anything worth having is hard to get? |
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| 06:04.34 | Azar | callan the only things I had to do after upgrade: 1. upgrade the kernel to 2.6.15; 2. fine tune X, and reinstall xterm. |
| 06:04.38 | apenguinlinux | Hi |
| 06:04.38 | spikeb | so is etch on time to be stable in a couple years? :) |
| 06:04.50 | callan | shogunx, That might be true, but a backport is easier isn't it. |
| 06:04.52 | Azar | runo-: wargetch is Woody+Sarge+Etch |
| 06:05.22 | Azar | spikeb: for me, right now is pretty stable |
| 06:05.25 | apenguinlinux | can any body give me ang gpg keyserver name ..bcz i want to send my key to there?? |
| 06:06.05 | shogunx | callen, if its apps in a tree other than stable that you are looking for, yes. |
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| 06:06.25 | shogunx | apenguinlinux keyserver.mit.edu iirc |
| 06:06.25 | dsj | Anybody with intel graphics card 945GM uder linux |
| 06:06.25 | Azar | I use irssi, I have games, I browse with firefox, I listen to music with xmms, taht's pretty much I do with no problems |
| 06:06.34 | spikeb | sarge is actually still pretty recent, on par with RHEL at least. |
| 06:06.47 | callan | shogunx, I'm just looking at a newer kernel. Preferably without compiling it. |
| 06:06.51 | apenguinlinux | for pgp ... |
| 06:06.57 | apenguinlinux | sorry for gpg |
| 06:06.57 | apenguinlinux | / |
| 06:07.07 | shogunx | callan compiling it is actually your best course of action. |
| 06:07.17 | Azar | callan try backports and if it is not working well, upgrade to etch |
| 06:07.38 | apenguinlinux | any debian developer is there?/ |
| 06:07.41 | Azar | shogunx: would not be that a pain for sarge? |
| 06:07.52 | spikeb | Azar, i'm one of the few that actually prefers to run stable :) |
| 06:08.18 | shogunx | Azar Compiling a kernel is kind of the same no matter what you build it on. |
| 06:08.18 | DonkeyHote | if any of you feel like looking in to it any further, I'm trying the etch installer on a Sun Ultra 20 http://sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/specifications.jsp and no, I didn't pay full price... not even a third. |
| 06:08.41 | Azar | shogunx: I was thinking as opposed to use a backport |
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| 06:09.02 | callan_ | I sure do love dial up. :/ |
| 06:09.34 | spikeb | callan_, i net installed woody on a 14.4 modem :) |
| 06:09.53 | callan_ | That must have taken days. |
| 06:09.56 | callan_ | :P |
| 06:09.57 | spikeb | heh |
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| 06:10.25 | spikeb | callan_, i had a usable system after like an hour, and the rest took days |
| 06:10.36 | callan_ | If I was going to be forced to use 14.4, I'd rather figure out how to get my winmodem running. |
| 06:10.52 | spikeb | i didnt even have a winmodem :( |
| 06:11.25 | callan_ | I don't even use mine. I can't figure it out. |
| 06:11.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:11.26 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:11.29 | shogunx | Azar generally, if i see something not in the tree i'm using that i want, i just build it from source. Enlightenment17, an openmosix patched kernel, a particular app, like pine perhaps. I learned this way, and can only truly speak from my own perspective. |
| 06:12.11 | callan_ | If I knew a USB wifi adapter would be so complicated to support I would have looked for something else. :/ |
| 06:12.16 | sciron | it's no wonder #linux went away... sheesh |
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| 06:13.43 | callan_ | I wonder.. does anyone here happen to have a working D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. C1 USB Adapter? |
| 06:15.10 | Azar | shogunx: I tried 2 times to compile my old kernel and I failed lamentably... so I learned to stay with precompiled kernels |
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| 06:16.13 | Azar | .. s/my own* kernel |
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| 06:17.00 | Azar | I wonder if by the time etch comes out 2.6.15 won't be an "old" kernel already |
| 06:17.19 | shogunx | Azar ever hear the story of the gold miner who dug for 2 years, found nothing, abandoned his claim, and went home? Someone else claimed his mine, dug for 2 days, and hit a huge gold deposit. Had he had perseverence, that would have been his gold. |
| 06:17.52 | shogunx | Try try again, Azar. Its worth it. |
| 06:18.05 | Coweater | but it isn't |
| 06:18.14 | sciron | depends on the goals |
| 06:18.16 | DonkeyHote | which kernel should I pick: 2.6-486 is default |
| 06:18.24 | sciron | i think shogunx is right, but I also run 2 servers :/ |
| 06:18.33 | DonkeyHote | should I pick 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 06:18.44 | shogunx | DonkeyHote, on a sparc? |
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| 06:19.14 | Azar | Debian from Scratch sounds fun. For those who have enough linux experience I take it |
| 06:19.19 | sciron | DonkeyHote> oh, man, i love that book, your name just dawned on me |
| 06:19.20 | DonkeyHote | no, amd opteron 148 |
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| 06:19.37 | DonkeyHote | sciron: lol |
| 06:19.42 | sciron | DonkeyHote> so etch is your windmill? |
| 06:20.02 | DonkeyHote | sciron: seems to be at the moment, yea. |
| 06:20.02 | Azar | shogunx: did you read about Debian from Scratch? |
| 06:20.10 | DonkeyHote | more like my dulcinea |
| 06:20.15 | sciron | ah, gp, gp |
| 06:21.01 | DonkeyHote | uhh, which tool should I use to "generate boot initrd"? |
| 06:21.05 | eps | xcdroast is saying I need cdrecord-prodvd and I've read the readme and I'm still stuck on install |
| 06:21.12 | DonkeyHote | initramfs-tools or yaird? |
| 06:21.27 | shogunx | Azar see this thing: http://www-5.ibm.com/se/news/archive/images/shark-mathiot.jpg ? |
| 06:21.32 | Azar | it makes sense: I never fully believed grub will do magic when one upgrades a kernel. It turns out... it does not. |
| 06:21.39 | DonkeyHote | (wtf kinda option is that? does the person who wrote this part of the installer still remembers what that means?) |
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| 06:22.44 | DonkeyHote | sciron: any preference: initramfs-tools vs yaird? |
| 06:22.49 | Azar | shogunx: wow that looks like old IBM dinosaurus |
| 06:22.56 | sciron | DonkeyHote> i loathe initrds |
| 06:23.14 | DonkeyHote | to me, its choosing between a foo and a bar. |
| 06:23.37 | DonkeyHote | but going to a bar doesn't sound bad, nor does food... so who knows. |
| 06:23.47 | DonkeyHote | I'll try yaird. whatever the heck that is. |
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| 06:23.59 | Azar | .... and some say the new installers are better for new users? |
| 06:24.14 | Azar | how a new user like me would know what a yaird is? |
| 06:24.15 | sciron | DonkeyHote> when i do my own kernels, i don't use either, actually disable the support for initrd's. how to create them, however, I've only had to do for pxe booting |
| 06:24.24 | sciron | apt-cache search yaird |
| 06:24.45 | shogunx | Azar, I had to build a filesystem from the ground up, on another host, and compile the kernel on another ppc64 machine 3000 miles away, write it all to a harddrive, put the hd in that thing, wait 14 minutes to boot, read error messages from a serial console, and do it all over again for 3 days straight to put linux on the redundant everything 4xppc64 8gigs of ram per host beast. |
| 06:24.52 | DonkeyHote | Azar - they're on crack. I'm only a partially-new user, I've used debian from the beginnig of potato to the end of woody, I missed sarge, and I'm coming back on etch and I'm lost as hell. |
| 06:25.31 | DonkeyHote | Azar: perhaps its a measure of 3 feet.? |
| 06:25.41 | Azar | shogunx: wow nice |
| 06:25.47 | sciron | how is that possible? i only have a right and a left! |
| 06:26.17 | sciron | someone want to lend me a .... foot? |
| 06:26.21 | shogunx | Azar not easy, for sure. but to my knowledge, its the only one of those with linux on it on the planet. |
| 06:26.58 | Azar | shogunx: I thought those old IBM machines were in a museum |
| 06:27.15 | shogunx | Azar... the AIX disc that came with would have installed seamlessly. |
| 06:27.16 | apenguinlinux | hi how can i know tha chronological view of pkg that when i have install and when i have removed............... |
| 06:27.20 | DonkeyHote | sciron: I think you can get them if you knock on the back door of the hospital and show up with about $500 in cash. Might be a little... stale, though. |
| 06:27.51 | shogunx | Azar IBM still sells those. It is a SAN sold with mainframes, of which there are still LOTS out there, and being sold every day. |
| 06:28.50 | Azar | ivman is a nice utility daemon... I can't wait to see it in etch |
| 06:29.38 | DonkeyHote | alright, this is downloading, I'm gonna go to bed, and try this again in the morning, if I have no luck, I'll see what I can do with the Knoppix installer, if no luck with that, I'll use windows again for tomorrow since I need to have *something* running for my bachelor/LAN party |
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| 06:30.02 | shogunx | Azar my only point was that perseverence can pay great rewards. |
| 06:30.06 | sciron | lol |
| 06:30.11 | sciron | @ the $500 |
| 06:30.18 | DonkeyHote | :) |
| 06:30.42 | DonkeyHote | damn... this thing is fast... |
| 06:30.47 | Azar | shogunx: yes indeed |
| 06:31.00 | sciron | DonkeyHote> g/l with that, the wedding thing I mean |
| 06:31.04 | sciron | DonkeyHote> mine's coming up in nov ;-) |
| 06:31.31 | DonkeyHote | ahh, well good luck to you too |
| 06:31.43 | sciron | tyvm |
| 06:31.46 | DonkeyHote | I'm not too terribly worried, my fiancee games with me |
| 06:31.52 | sciron | nice |
| 06:31.52 | DonkeyHote | and she's good |
| 06:31.57 | sciron | mine's an art major :/ |
| 06:32.01 | DonkeyHote | ok, installer has finished. |
| 06:32.02 | Azar | hmm I allways admired IBM and dreamed to have a genuine IBM PC... the only thing that kept me away is the fact that they mainly use intel .. |
| 06:32.03 | spikeb | bah, fiancees |
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| 06:32.07 | sciron | lol |
| 06:32.22 | DonkeyHote | I'm rebooting... $DEITY help us... |
| 06:33.13 | shogunx | Azar its well built hardware. i bought that one from military surplus for next to nothing. actually, i got 2, and the mainframe to match:) |
| 06:33.18 | DonkeyHote | why doesn't the new installer go directly into a package management/base-config utility on first-boot? |
| 06:33.36 | sciron | so you don't have to reboot after the 1st one |
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| 06:33.51 | shogunx | Azar when it comes to workstations and such, i have always built my own. |
| 06:33.56 | sciron | i suppose they didn't want to have an install-boot thingy like winderz where you need 8 of them to complete an install |
| 06:33.58 | sciron | without drivers |
| 06:34.16 | Azar | shogunx: I could have bought one at any time: but I refuse to buy/use Intel. |
| 06:34.50 | Azar | so now I am curious how one can upgrade grub before upgrading from Sarge to Etch? I never used grub but I am curious |
| 06:34.53 | DonkeyHote | sciron: well <expletive deleted>... it didn't seem to work. |
| 06:34.57 | shogunx | Azar when i was learning i could not have bought one. many of my first linux machines were built with recycled parts that people gave me. |
| 06:34.59 | DonkeyHote | no NIC again. |
| 06:35.13 | shogunx | Azar tho i'm not too big on the intel either. |
| 06:35.32 | Azar | shogunx: all my 3 PCs are built with hardware bought in sale: new but cheaper |
| 06:36.15 | mlowe | how do i allow only localhost to acess apache website ? |
| 06:36.28 | chaedaeX__ | Azar: apt-get install grub; grub-install; update-grub |
| 06:36.31 | shogunx | Azar thats only smart shopping. i've learned to look for the holes in the retail cycle where you can score things cheap. |
| 06:36.48 | DonkeyHote | well, that's all for tonight... I'm throwing in the towel for now. |
| 06:36.52 | DonkeyHote | goodnight everybody. |
| 06:36.56 | sciron | night |
| 06:37.02 | Azar | chaedaeX__: aaahh so we can do update-<package> ahhhaaa... |
| 06:37.04 | shogunx | Azar, sales, overstocks, surplus, etc. |
| 06:37.18 | shogunx | Azar, and of course, recycle. |
| 06:37.29 | Azar | shogunx: computer shows every weekend around here. |
| 06:37.40 | chaedaeX__ | Azar: that's a grub-specific command, part of the package that updates it based on your installed kernels |
| 06:37.49 | shogunx | Azar that must be nice. i live in a 3rd world country... florida. |
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| 06:38.14 | Azar | chaedaeX__: thanks for the tip :) |
| 06:38.45 | Azar | shogunx: you could move in California we got the best bargains around on weekends here. |
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| 06:38.58 | chaedaeX__ | Azar: cow palace? |
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| 06:39.14 | shogunx | Azar i have considered it, for sure. |
| 06:39.25 | Azar | haha chaedaeX__ |
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| 06:39.41 | Azar | shogunx: earthquakes here not as often as hurricanes there |
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| 06:40.02 | shogunx | Azar hurricanes kicked my ass 2 years ago. |
| 06:40.05 | Azar | only life is a bit more expensive |
| 06:40.22 | Azar | shogunx: last earthquake here : 8 years ago |
| 06:40.26 | chaedaeX__ | Azar: which shows? cow palace ones? |
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| 06:40.51 | Azar | chaedaeX__: no just small computer shows moving around L.A. |
| 06:41.14 | chaedaeX__ | ah socal |
| 06:41.14 | shogunx | Azar it would be particularly expensive for me to move my business there. the population is so dense, it puts a premium on space. |
| 06:41.24 | Azar | I guess they are selling cheap supplies they can't sell in stores |
| 06:41.44 | shogunx | Azar, and the loss of all the local customers, many of whom i know from childhood. |
| 06:42.09 | Azar | shogunx: the more people the more customers |
| 06:42.29 | shogunx | Azar yeah but customers cost money one way or another to get. |
| 06:42.48 | tarzeau | Azar: i found a new game that i'm testing... |
| 06:42.57 | Azar | gasoline got over $3.50 here people flock now to mass transportation |
| 06:43.05 | shogunx | once you have them, they make you money, but until then you gotta pay to get them. either in cash or sweat. |
| 06:43.06 | Azar | hi mr tarzeau! :) |
| 06:43.14 | tarzeau | Azar: just say tarzeau, without mr |
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| 06:43.23 | Azar | tarzeau: teasing |
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| 06:43.55 | DUMAiSO | I'm currently using debian etch, what are the sources.list entries to update to sid? |
| 06:44.01 | Azar | this testing box can't use 3D tarzeau. GeForce2 MX MX 400 64MB ram |
| 06:44.24 | tarzeau | Azar: you can't install the nvidia drivers? |
| 06:44.30 | sciron | Azar> are you sure that's a gf2 not a 4? |
| 06:44.34 | valdyn | mlowe: apache or apache2? |
| 06:44.35 | Azar | tarzeau: I got the drivers |
| 06:44.40 | Azar | but not the power |
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| 06:44.55 | rohan | hi all |
| 06:45.00 | Azar | sciron: not sure but the box is pretty old: 4 years |
| 06:45.06 | valdyn | DUMAiSO: sid instead of etch |
| 06:45.13 | rohan | i am on sid, had problems and errors upgrading xserver-xorg today morning .. known problem on sid ? |
| 06:45.20 | valdyn | rohan: yes |
| 06:45.24 | DUMAiSO | valdyn, is that all? |
| 06:45.24 | sciron | Azar> i've never had a problem getting my gf4 to do ogl accelerated, especially in x, but I use nvidia's drivers not from deb |
| 06:45.31 | rohan | valdyn: known solutions, any ? |
| 06:45.46 | sciron | it's a gf4 mx440 (i thought you typed 440, sorry) |
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| 06:45.53 | valdyn | rohan: im just waiting for the fixed package, taht error doesnt really bother me |
| 06:45.57 | tarzeau | Azar: aww crap, it's using python |
| 06:46.03 | Azar | sciron: would you want to try egoboo, just to confirm for me? I wasn't able to fully run it .. and is not even a 3D the way it looks |
| 06:46.21 | rohan | ok, valdyn |
| 06:46.32 | sciron | installing now |
| 06:46.34 | Azar | trackballs which seems a true 3D works but not egoboo |
| 06:46.48 | Azar | .. a moment away phone |
| 06:47.06 | mlowe | valdyn, apache1.3 |
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| 06:48.05 | valdyn | mlowe: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#listen |
| 06:48.52 | mkl | hingwah, just installed debian testing and all icons in evolution are missing, gnome-icon-theme is installed - so is there another package that's necessary? |
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| 06:50.38 | Azar | tarzeau: I have python |
| 06:50.50 | tarzeau | Azar: so do i, the game is fun to play |
| 06:51.03 | Azar | works in etch? |
| 06:51.12 | tarzeau | Azar: ok maybe i'll package it anyways. i have only tried it on windows so far |
| 06:51.29 | tarzeau | Azar: but i don't see any reason why it shouldn't work in sarge even |
| 06:51.45 | Azar | I run etch on this box |
| 06:51.56 | tarzeau | Azar: etch's fine too i guess |
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| 06:52.12 | tarzeau | Azar: i tried to use testing several times, but it never was good enough for me |
| 06:52.20 | Azar | cool I can't wait |
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| 06:52.27 | baby_cute | hai...... |
| 06:52.30 | sciron | Azar> it requires an FB device |
| 06:52.40 | sciron | Azar> if you're using nvidia drivers, you don't use FB's |
| 06:52.47 | Azar | egoboo works but very slow, sound is perfect but movement is way lagging |
| 06:52.50 | k-god | Anyone know where I can get info on console keyboard maps and how to fix b0rkenness? |
| 06:53.00 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 06:53.00 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 06:53.04 | Azar | sciron: ah.. |
| 06:53.13 | k-god | I'm trying to run Debian inside Parallels on OSX and it maps '|' to '<' |
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| 06:53.44 | k-god | valdyn: I need to remap some specific keys. |
| 06:53.48 | k-god | valdyn: Console, not X. |
| 06:54.09 | k-god | valdyn: ... and not any specific keyboard, though I'll give that a shot. |
| 06:54.29 | valdyn | k-god: the keymaps are in /usr/share/keymaps/ |
| 06:54.46 | k-god | valdyn: Yeah, that I know. |
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| 06:55.20 | k-god | valdyn: What I really need though is what scancode I *should* be getting from my \| key, and how to ensure that I'm getting \| from it rather than ,<. |
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| 06:58.57 | k-god | valdyn: Well, _that_ was remarkably unsuccessful. |
| 06:59.15 | k-god | ... with no 'a'. |
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| 06:59.41 | k-god | ... or <return>. |
| 07:00.15 | voltagex | hi, I've compiled cpufreq support into my kernel but cpufreqd complains that the support isn't there? this is affecting laptop battery life really badly, what am I doing wrong? |
| 07:00.24 | Den | Hi - How do I use "info" (textinfo - view command documentation) to find all the documentation pages/files about grub? When I do "info grub", I just get the same as "man grub", and no links to the other grub pages, like for the command "grub-install" - I'm trying to find all the grub commands & documentation - how do I do that? |
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| 07:01.19 | SimonRaven | !tell ryoohki -about root |
| 07:01.37 | valdyn | k-god: |
| 07:01.44 | valdyn | k-god: tried 'showkey' ? |
| 07:01.56 | Azar | Den: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
| 07:01.57 | k-god | valdyn: I'm trying to work out how to shut down. |
| 07:02.12 | voltagex | k-god: shutdown -h now? |
| 07:02.17 | k-god | valdyn: Keyboard's useless. Sending ctrl-alt-del through the virtualization doesn't work. |
| 07:02.28 | SimonRaven | k-god: man shutdown :P |
| 07:02.29 | k-god | voltagex: I can't give keyboard input. |
| 07:02.44 | voltagex | k-god: power button then |
| 07:02.52 | SimonRaven | have magic sysreq enabled? |
| 07:02.56 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 07:03.19 | SimonRaven | oh, xen |
| 07:03.24 | SimonRaven | or vmware |
| 07:03.34 | voltagex | SimonRaven: all I have to do is wait half an hour til my battery runs out because the stupid thing doesn't realise that cpufreq support is *there* |
| 07:03.52 | valdyn | Den: apt-get install grub-doc |
| 07:03.53 | liable | voltagex: check /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 07:04.13 | liable | Den: you need to install the grub-doc package |
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| 07:04.22 | voltagex | excuse me, this is gonna paste your line, liable |
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| 07:04.28 | voltagex | copy to clipboard auto pastes |
| 07:04.41 | voltagex | wow it didn't |
| 07:05.06 | SimonRaven | but of course apt-cache search grub doc would've said so ... |
| 07:05.25 | Den | Azar: valdyn liable: thanks:) |
| 07:05.41 | voltagex | -bash: cd: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/: No such file or directory |
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| 07:06.16 | SimonRaven | checkfs.sh init script is fubar |
| 07:06.23 | valdyn | voltagex: so you have no cpufreq support |
| 07:06.32 | voltagex | grr |
| 07:06.38 | voltagex | I've compiled it in |
| 07:06.42 | voltagex | should it be a module? |
| 07:06.50 | valdyn | voltagex: _what_ have you compiled in? |
| 07:07.23 | voltagex | cpufreq |
| 07:07.26 | voltagex | oh wait |
| 07:07.32 | voltagex | can I paste 3 lines? |
| 07:07.38 | valdyn | voltagex: there's not only one 'cpufreq' option |
| 07:07.42 | SimonRaven | #flood |
| 07:08.13 | valdyn | voltagex: what is your cpu? |
| 07:08.44 | voltagex | valdyn: Pentium Celeron, with some kind of cpu scaling support as it works in windblows without extra software |
| 07:08.49 | voltagex | Celeron M |
| 07:09.12 | valdyn | voltagex: you need either acpi cpufreq or speedstep |
| 07:09.21 | valdyn | voltagex: guess you have only one of those 2 |
| 07:09.26 | voltagex | speedstep probably |
| 07:09.41 | voltagex | aah ssh won't let me switch irssi windows |
| 07:09.44 | valdyn | voltagex: maybe, my centrino notebook needs acpi |
| 07:09.55 | voltagex | bbl |
| 07:10.46 | sciron | night |
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| 07:11.37 | k-god | OK, sorted out the keys to get it set. |
| 07:11.49 | k-god | and it's time to split. |
| 07:12.00 | valdyn | voltagex: well you lied to us, your cpufreq driver seems to be compiled as module |
| 07:12.19 | voltagex | valdyn: sorry, I didn't do that intentionally |
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| 07:14.38 | konfuzed | http://en.zoukiishoku.com/list/volunteer.htm |
| 07:14.42 | efaistos_ | in unstable xserver-xorg package has some problems ... I cant install it ... Do you have the same thing ? |
| 07:15.47 | voltagex | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.16.11/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 07:16.05 | valdyn | voltagex: so your system does not support acpi cpufreq scalingm and you do not have the other drivers compiled |
| 07:16.17 | voltagex | I'll stay in #debian now |
| 07:16.20 | lunar | damn, damn. he left. |
| 07:16.30 | SimonRaven | up a shit creek in a leaky canoe without a paddle ;p |
| 07:16.36 | valdyn | efaistos_: have you checked the bts? |
| 07:16.40 | lunar | just as I figured out what went wrong. |
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| 07:17.27 | Azar | wow 2.6.17 already out |
| 07:17.37 | valdyn | Azar: eh? |
| 07:17.44 | nenson | anything great about it? |
| 07:17.46 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 07:17.50 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16.11, prepatch: 2.6.17-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.17-rc3-git2, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.17-rc2-mm1 |
| 07:17.52 | Azar | .. unless is a prank valdyn |
| 07:17.57 | voltagex | Azar: gah, just got 2.6.16 going |
| 07:18.02 | voltagex | oh... |
| 07:18.10 | valdyn | Azar: it is |
| 07:18.35 | efaistos_ | valdyn: not yet ... since i dont have X anymore ... :( I can use lynx & co but odnt like it too much |
| 07:18.38 | nenson | so it is a prank? |
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| 07:18.59 | SimonRaven | that ouput is straight from kernel.org |
| 07:19.01 | SimonRaven | out* |
| 07:19.03 | voltagex | uhh where is speedstep support, or od I have to patch the kernel for that? |
| 07:19.19 | valdyn | voltagex: you have to pick the option in your kernel config |
| 07:19.20 | Azar | http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2006042702026NWKN |
| 07:19.50 | voltagex | valdyn: yes, but under which section? |
| 07:20.05 | Azar | and http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2006042701526NWKNDV |
| 07:20.18 | Azar | Adrian Bunk has a word there too |
| 07:20.21 | cahoot | Azar: note the -rc2 part? |
| 07:20.54 | voltagex | valdyn: Intel Enhanced Speedstep is already selected |
| 07:21.23 | voltagex | plus speedstep for the ICH chipset in my laptop |
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| 07:21.31 | valdyn | voltagex: its not in your kernel config you showed me |
| 07:21.33 | Azar | cahoot: yes |
| 07:21.57 | Azar | cahoot: I assume that means is still in testing |
| 07:21.58 | voltagex | valdyn: ok I did something wrong then... compiling again |
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| 07:22.14 | nenson | which is the recommended video player for debian? |
| 07:22.26 | valdyn | nenson: your choice |
| 07:22.43 | hjubal | hi |
| 07:22.45 | plutonas | hello, my thinkpad with debian sarge needs 55secs until I see gdm. Isn't that much? What can I do to reduce? (It's a Pentium M, 1.8 with 512 RAM) |
| 07:23.00 | plutonas | nenson, what ever you like, I prefer mplayer |
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| 07:23.08 | valdyn | plutonas: that is not an unusual startup time |
| 07:23.18 | q|-_-|p | #ceviz.net #ceviz.net #ceviz.net #ceviz.net #ceviz.net#ceviz.net #ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net#ceviz.net# |
| 07:23.24 | nenson | plutonas: why? |
| 07:23.36 | valdyn | plutonas: remove services that get started at bootup or ( quite involving ) use initng |
| 07:23.59 | valdyn | plutonas: or maybe there's a specific service that starts particularily slowly |
| 07:24.21 | plutonas | valdyn, do you use initng? Is it reliable? How do I find that specific service? |
| 07:24.22 | nenson | valdyn: you would recommend mplayer too? |
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| 07:24.40 | valdyn | nenson: for what? |
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| 07:24.51 | plutonas | nenson, mplayer is more powerfull, it playes everything even compressed |
| 07:24.56 | valdyn | nenson: certainly not for newbies |
| 07:25.04 | voltagex | personally I like VLC |
| 07:25.17 | plutonas | and It loads faster than other complex video players, thats why I use it |
| 07:25.25 | SimonRaven | !ops q|-_-|p (n=X@c-68-38-175-155.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) spamming garbage |
| 07:25.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: q|-_-|p (n=X@c-68-38-175-155.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) spamming garbage |
| 07:25.26 | voltagex | ok, after I've solved my speedstep issue, can I get help with my TV card? |
| 07:25.27 | valdyn | plutonas: i use suspend to disk or ram and i dont care about startup time after a real reboot |
| 07:25.45 | SimonRaven | where's the bot |
| 07:25.49 | SimonRaven | dpkg: test |
| 07:25.49 | dpkg | Yes, simonraven, you're still online. |
| 07:25.52 | plutonas | I see |
| 07:26.04 | SimonRaven | duh, i missed it ... |
| 07:26.30 | valdyn | plutonas: initng is in experimental, treat it as such |
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| 07:26.31 | nenson | valdyn: what would be right for newbies? |
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| 07:26.48 | plutonas | nenson, maybe xine |
| 07:26.50 | valdyn | nenson: totem for example |
| 07:27.13 | plutonas | but you can start with mplayer too, has good documentation |
| 07:27.19 | valdyn | nenson: xine is decent ok if you do not need to change the configuration |
| 07:27.21 | voltagex | does anyone here use the saa* set of TV card drivers? |
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| 07:27.23 | nenson | plutonas: does mplayer performs well in online streaming, with firefox? |
| 07:27.24 | spoink2 | hey guys whats a good long lasting cdr or cdrw and dvdrw dvdrs brands |
| 07:27.44 | Azar | plextor |
| 07:27.46 | plutonas | nenson, I don't know, haven,t tryed |
| 07:27.46 | voltagex | spoink2: maybe the wrong channel for that |
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| 07:28.02 | nenson | valdyn: i am more concerned about the formats it supports and streaming. |
| 07:28.08 | spoink2 | Azar media not drives |
| 07:28.17 | spoink2 | voltagex whats the right channel |
| 07:28.22 | voltagex | no idea |
| 07:28.23 | valdyn | nenson: the formats supported dont have alot to do with the player you use nowadays |
| 07:28.31 | Azar | spoink2: I guess I do not have idea spoink2 |
| 07:28.37 | voltagex | but try Ritek brand |
| 07:28.49 | voltagex | ritek seem to manufacture a lot of the other dvd brands |
| 07:29.03 | nenson | valdyn: it definitely do. it determine how much of the stuff online you can view. |
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| 07:29.15 | valdyn | nenson: unless you pick totem-gstreamer explicitely or ogle, you'll find that they all support about everything once codecs are installed |
| 07:29.15 | voltagex | they're marketed as Ritek and RiData |
| 07:29.36 | voltagex | codecs are tricky to install on linux |
| 07:29.48 | valdyn | voltagex: tricky how? |
| 07:29.56 | nenson | valdyn: but would they have the codecs? |
| 07:30.11 | voltagex | valdyn: I had a bit of trouble getting wmv working |
| 07:30.16 | Den | Hi - is there a way to get the "info" (textinfo) man page reader to highlight/brighttext the links/pages it can go to?? |
| 07:30.21 | valdyn | nenson: codecs are not _in_ the players, they're codecs, they come extra |
| 07:30.27 | voltagex | valdyn: but probably just my noobness |
| 07:30.29 | lunar | when the installer asks me to choose between kernel-image-2.4-386 and 2.4.27-2-386... what exactly is that first one? it shows the same kind of thing for 2.6 as well. |
| 07:30.34 | valdyn | nenson: and w32codecs needs an external package |
| 07:30.38 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 07:30.38 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 07:30.54 | plutonas | nenson, for example on mplayer there is a 9.8 mb file with codecs. It has almost every available format |
| 07:31.00 | valdyn | nenson: there are w32codecs too, ^^^ |
| 07:31.05 | voltagex | valdyn: ah! I didn't realised marillat had the codecs too |
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| 07:31.58 | valdyn | plutonas: most players support these codecs |
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| 07:32.02 | nenson | valdyn: i know. i have read of cases where mplayer cannot stream videos from many sites despite all those codecs. |
| 07:32.07 | voltagex | why would apt-proxy be giving me 500 server error? |
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| 07:32.23 | empty_mind | anybody knows how to get ipw3945 driver to work with debian etch ? |
| 07:32.32 | plutonas | valdyn, yes you're right |
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| 07:33.07 | valdyn | empty_mind: buy a real wireless card |
| 07:33.23 | valdyn | empty_mind: that was the one that needs a binary daemon iirc |
| 07:33.45 | empty_mind | valdyn, i have no choice, it has been shipped with my laptop |
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| 07:34.08 | empty_mind | valdyn, now i have to get it work under debian or switch to winblowd |
| 07:34.15 | nenson | empty_mind: try ndiswrapper site. |
| 07:34.25 | valdyn | nenson: he doesnt need that |
| 07:34.41 | valdyn | empty_mind: its not packaged in debian, have you read intels website about that driver? |
| 07:34.58 | voltagex | I configure apt-proxy, it starts correctly, but when I add it to sources.list I get a whole lot of "500 Server Error" messages |
| 07:35.27 | nenson | valdyn: ndiswrapeer have info about wireless card drivers. |
| 07:36.04 | valdyn | nenson: there's no reason to use ndiswrapper when there's a native linux driver.. |
| 07:36.14 | empty_mind | valdyn, yes. I even tried to compile the driver offered by intel, but compile fails. Tried installing rpm's of the driver but no luck |
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| 07:36.30 | valdyn | empty_mind: alright, tell us how compile fails |
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| 07:36.50 | nenson | valdyn: no, they are native drivers available for download. |
| 07:37.27 | Azar | multimedia fans, heard about A.M.I.C.U.S. ? |
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| 07:38.09 | Azar | Automatic Multimedia Installation Configuration Utility System |
| 07:38.27 | valdyn | Azar: that sounds like bullshit, is it useful? |
| 07:38.54 | Azar | valdyn: I was just browsing for packages: http://freshmeat.net/projects/amicus/ |
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| 07:39.25 | valdyn | Azar: ah neat, looks nice |
| 07:39.55 | empty_mind | valdyn compilation throws errors for unknown fields |
| 07:39.58 | Azar | I guess so, I never use video/tv on my PC |
| 07:40.06 | valdyn | !tell empty_mind -about paste |
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| 07:40.22 | valdyn | empty_mind: paste the whole output on a paste site please |
| 07:40.33 | valdyn | empty_mind: and tell which kernel you are using |
| 07:40.48 | empty_mind | valdyn i am using 2.6.15-1 |
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| 07:42.48 | hjubal | sometimes I need to restart 'fam' because it's near to 100% cpu |
| 07:43.06 | valdyn | hjubal: fam is ugly, do you need it? |
| 07:43.17 | valdyn | hjubal: which debian release are you on? |
| 07:43.30 | hjubal | I don't know i I need it :\ |
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| 07:43.35 | hjubal | debian sarge 3.1 |
| 07:43.39 | hjubal | custom kernel |
| 07:43.50 | hjubal | 2.6.8 |
| 07:44.13 | valdyn | hjubal: try apt-get install gamin, see what apt-get would remove, and if you could accept that |
| 07:44.22 | Azar | good night |
| 07:44.59 | sharpy | my font is awfully small. BUT my resolution on my laptop is 1280x104. Is it because of my resolution?? |
| 07:45.06 | hjubal | "Package gamin is not available".. I'm going to look for it |
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| 07:45.12 | hjubal | what's for? |
| 07:45.13 | sharpy | i would like to change the size of my font system wide on KDE. |
| 07:45.17 | valdyn | !info gamin etch |
| 07:45.21 | hjubal | ;) |
| 07:45.21 | dpkg | gamin: (File and directory monitoring system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.7-3 (etch), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 07:45.34 | valdyn | !info gamin sarge |
| 07:45.46 | valdyn | hjubal: a right, gamin isnt in sarge |
| 07:46.05 | valdyn | hjubal: now there you could 'apt-get remove fam' |
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| 07:46.33 | hjubal | well .. '/etc/init.d/fam stop' should do the same |
| 07:46.46 | Jimtendo | Sharpy goto the KDE Control Center: |
| 07:46.46 | Jimtendo | KDE Start Button -> Control Center |
| 07:46.58 | valdyn | hjubal: thats not the point, since it does not tell you if specific applications break if you stop fam |
| 07:47.03 | sharpy | Jimtendo, okk |
| 07:47.22 | hjubal | oh, ok |
| 07:48.06 | hjubal | I'll read something about 'gamin'.. ..I didn't know it |
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| 07:48.24 | valdyn | sharpy: xdpyinfo | grep -i dpi |
| 07:49.08 | hjubal | valdyn, there's 'gamin' on 'backports.org' repository |
| 07:49.35 | valdyn | hjubal: have we figured if you even need fam/gamin? |
| 07:50.14 | hjubal | how do I test dependencies with apt/dpkg? |
| 07:50.33 | valdyn | hjubal: apt-get remove fam ( you dont have to press Y to really remove packages ) |
| 07:50.39 | valdyn | hjubal: or apt-get -s remove fam |
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| 07:51.39 | hjubal | valdyn, 'simulate' ;) |
| 07:51.47 | hjubal | valdyn, "fam gnome gnome-desktop-environment" |
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| 07:52.06 | hjubal | I'm currently using fluxbox or kde |
| 07:52.31 | hjubal | but what about gnome applications.. |
| 07:52.48 | valdyn | hjubal: gnome-volume-manager needs fam or gamin, nothing else |
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| 07:53.10 | valdyn | hjubal: everything else installed from gnome will stay and keep working |
| 07:53.55 | valdyn | hjubal: the 2 packages you listed are meta-packages, they do not provide programs, only dependencies |
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| 07:54.00 | SimonRaven | http://people.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi |
| 07:54.03 | SimonRaven | trippy |
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| 07:54.21 | Jimtendo | SimonRaven: What is it? |
| 07:54.21 | valdyn | SimonRaven: if it only was somewhat mature |
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| 07:55.22 | SimonRaven | xgl |
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| 07:55.52 | valdyn | gravity will package it soon anyway i guess |
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| 07:56.11 | hjubal | valdyn, I think I've understood the idea.. it's time to RTFM! |
| 07:56.16 | hjubal | tnx |
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| 07:58.31 | wily | hi |
| 07:58.55 | jmd_ | How do I install emacs in etch ? |
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| 07:59.17 | SimonRaven | floating gears for glxgears |
| 07:59.33 | SimonRaven | the desktop switching and window moving is the trippiest |
| 08:00.42 | dino4k | jmd_: apt-cache search emacs | grep ^emacs |
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| 08:01.16 | jmd_ | dino4k: What do I do after I get "Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:01.17 | jmd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.27 | dino4k | send a bug report |
| 08:02.01 | evilgeek | if it helps, xemacs is probably installable. |
| 08:02.14 | wily | hi all guys |
| 08:02.24 | wily | i've a big problem with my etch |
| 08:02.25 | lunar | boy, I wish I had known that Grub can't be installed on RAID for shite. it could have saved me hours of work. |
| 08:02.28 | jmd_ | dino4k: Yeah right. I'll just get a message back saying it's been fixed in sid. Which may be true, but unhelpful since I'm not using sid. |
| 08:02.54 | wily | after a apt-get update & upgrade my bott fails!! |
| 08:02.57 | dino4k | jmd_: so you could wait until it enters etch ;) |
| 08:03.13 | liable | lunar: i have it on raid.. |
| 08:03.20 | wily | seems problem was in initramfs-tools |
| 08:03.28 | dino4k | jmd_: or you could install the sid pkg |
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| 08:03.34 | evilgeek | actually, i seem to have emacs21 installed just fine on my system. |
| 08:04.04 | jmd_ | dino4k: Maybe --- maybe not. Very often, attempting to install a broken package renders it impossible to install anything ever again. |
| 08:04.20 | dino4k | i nether use emacs nor etch so i cant reproduce it,.. |
| 08:04.20 | wily | message is: Begin: Waiting for root file system |
| 08:04.30 | lunar | liable: well, I should clarify that... there's a bug that says you can't with LVM, and something weird happens here when I tried 2.6 and Grub on a Smart Array. so... *shrugs* I'm sure it's possible somehow. |
| 08:04.57 | dino4k | jmd_: than try to remove it ;) |
| 08:04.58 | wily | Done. ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to shell! BusyBox v1.01 |
| 08:05.02 | prh_ | In KDE there is a kio-slave that automatically mounts usb devices nicely - only vfat is always mounted with "shortname=mixed" which I do not like. Now I think that is because that is the default option in pmount. I've tried to change it in the hal policies - but it seems the kioslaves are using pmount not pmount-hal - am I correct? Anyone got any suggestions? |
| 08:05.10 | lunar | liable: it's running with lilo and 2.4 now... can't install lilo with 2.6 |
| 08:05.20 | liable | wily: maybe your root drive has changed names. |
| 08:05.43 | liable | lunar: lilo wont boot a 2.6? |
| 08:05.47 | wily | no liable: older 2.4 kernel works fine |
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| 08:06.00 | wily | 2.6.15 fails boot |
| 08:06.14 | liable | wily: yeah, and the 2.6 might call it sda instead of hda. |
| 08:06.21 | wily | i try to remove initramfs-tools and to use yaird |
| 08:07.00 | wily | i repeat: i used 2.6.15 for a long time (Aug. 2005) |
| 08:07.12 | wily | i launched apt-get update & upgrade |
| 08:07.16 | liable | wily: you could boot the install disk with a 2.6 and see what the drive is recognised as |
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| 08:07.27 | wily | and kernel fails boot |
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| 08:07.50 | wily | i read something about a bug |
| 08:07.58 | TornadoQ | Can anyone tell me how to kill a process that hangs? The usual kill -9 or some of the other signals doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 08:08.01 | wily | someone know anything? |
| 08:08.35 | jmd_ | TornadoQ: What's its status ? |
| 08:08.38 | k-god | TornadoQ: If it's zombied ('Z' in process state) you can't kill it, it's dead. |
| 08:09.11 | k-god | TornadoQ: Sometimes you can kill the parent. pstree's good for that, or look for $PPID in its env table (/proc/<PID>/env). |
| 08:09.47 | TornadoQ | jmd_, k-god: The status is D - and it hogging a port that makes me unable to start another instance |
| 08:09.54 | jmd_ | TornadoQ: If it's zombied, then just wait for it, and it'll disappear from the process table |
| 08:10.31 | k-god | TornadoQ: What's 'D' translate to? |
| 08:10.34 | jmd_ | TornadoQ: Ahh right. If it's status is D, then you need to reboot. |
| 08:10.49 | jmd_ | k-god: Uninterruptable Sleep |
| 08:11.09 | TornadoQ | jmd_, crap, I was afraid of that (had to do it) - it's the snmpd package |
| 08:11.11 | wily | hi |
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| 08:11.18 | evilgeek | can it not be ptrace()'d? |
| 08:11.22 | k-god | TornadoQ: Its effectively zombied. |
| 08:12.01 | petemc | jmd_: D is disk wait, you dont need to reboot |
| 08:12.07 | TornadoQ | seems like when accessing disk information though snmp, it enters that state (according to snmpd-list it's known and fixed sometime in oct 2005) |
| 08:12.16 | k-god | Not having '|' *really* sucks. |
| 08:12.20 | jmd_ | TornadoQ: Of course, processes can only get into this state with inferior designed kernels such as Linux. If you use a Microkernel such as the Hurd, then you can't ever get this situation. |
| 08:12.39 | jmd_ | petemc: When did they change the meaning of the letters? |
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| 08:12.58 | petemc | jmd_: im not aware they did |
| 08:13.06 | k-god | jmd_: Certainly true. |
| 08:13.17 | TornadoQ | Would I get any wiser (after a reboot, of course) using gdb to track down where it stops responding? |
| 08:13.22 | evilgeek | top seems to list 'D' as 'uninterruptable sleep', as jmd_ said. |
| 08:13.27 | k-god | jmd_: Since you can't seriously _run_ anything on Hurd, you can't get stuff stuck in unrunnable states. |
| 08:13.47 | jmd_ | petemc: According to man ps, D is still (at least on etch) "Uninterruptible sleep" |
| 08:13.55 | petemc | i have processes in D all the time |
| 08:14.26 | petemc | heavy i/o |
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| 08:15.02 | jmd_ | TornadoQ: You might get lucky, if you single step it, but you'll still end up having to reboot. |
| 08:15.34 | evilgeek | i don't actually think there is anything to single-step. |
| 08:16.04 | TornadoQ | jmd_, k-god (and others I forgot): thanks, at least now I know where I stand |
| 08:16.10 | evilgeek | you'll either have to reboot or free the resource for which the process is waiting. |
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| 08:16.34 | jmd_ | It usually means there;s a bug in some kernel module. |
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| 08:16.38 | Joe7[xhaust] | hi |
| 08:16.55 | k-god | So, when init starts, does the kernel hand all its arguments to it? |
| 08:17.05 | Joe7[xhaust] | 1 of my hdds seems to be phisically damaged, how can i kick it out of the system _completely_? hdparm? |
| 08:17.23 | TornadoQ | well, can I find out what it is accessing? lsof didn't reveal much out of the ordinary (it has 3 accesses /dev/null, 4 pipes and one to /proc/net/dev) |
| 08:17.41 | TornadoQ | rest is just shared objects |
| 08:17.41 | k-god | Oh, cool.... |
| 08:17.54 | jmd_ | Joe7[xhaust]: Are you talking about physical disks, or disk partitions? |
| 08:17.59 | k-god | So, if you've ever done the 'init=/bin/bash' trick to boot a system that's otherwise somewhat hosed ... |
| 08:18.06 | Joe7[xhaust] | jaalto physical disk |
| 08:18.11 | k-god | ... and you then wanted to just go into a normal startup afterward ... |
| 08:18.13 | Joe7[xhaust] | jmd_ ^ |
| 08:18.22 | k-god | ... you can exec init from your bash shell. |
| 08:18.39 | k-god | ... and it Just Works[tm] ;-) |
| 08:18.39 | jmd_ | Joe7[xhaust]: Just edit it out of /etc/fstab and reboot. |
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| 08:19.23 | ShadowJK | jmd_, let me guess, with HURD you wouldn't need to reboot? ;-) |
| 08:19.25 | Joe7[xhaust] | jmd_: r u sure? 'cause it's fking bad, it freezes the whole system when it fails without any specific access to it |
| 08:19.38 | Joe7[xhaust] | the hdd spins down =>system dies |
| 08:19.58 | ShadowJK | what do you have on it? |
| 08:20.01 | evilgeek | Joe7[xhaust]: hdparm -U might help, but rtfm first. |
| 08:20.08 | jmd_ | Joe7[xhaust]: Well, why not physically remove the disk? |
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| 08:20.58 | jmd_ | ShadowJK: Well actually you don't need to reboot with GNU/Linux either mount -a would do the trick. |
| 08:21.24 | bugz_ | how can i install debian in SATA hd? |
| 08:21.39 | bugz_ | debian 3.1 (sarge) |
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| 08:23.56 | k-god | Could someone run "showkey" in console and tell me what scancodes they get (US PC 105 keyboard) for the '\|' key? |
| 08:25.01 | evilgeek | "0x2b 0xab", which is correct. |
| 08:25.17 | k-god | I'm seeing 0x56 0x36 press/release |
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| 08:25.22 | k-god | evilgeek: Thanks. |
| 08:25.25 | evilgeek | that's really weird. |
| 08:25.35 | k-god | evilgeek: Parallels VM under Mac OS X. |
| 08:25.42 | evilgeek | ah. |
| 08:25.45 | pagey | mmmm |
| 08:25.50 | bugz_ | anybody? |
| 08:25.57 | pagey | pass |
| 08:26.49 | t13b0 | hi all. I've got a little trouble w/ linux, 1 real minut is 2 for linux |
| 08:27.19 | k-god | t13b0: Real system or virtual? |
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| 08:27.35 | k-god | t13b0: In general, install a timeserver: aptitude install ntpd |
| 08:27.44 | apenguinlinux | t13b0, what is that |
| 08:27.50 | t13b0 | ? i don't know, gnome clock and also hwclock |
| 08:27.59 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 08:28.18 | ShadowJK | i dont think ntpd will cope with a clock that's running at twice normal speed |
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| 08:28.45 | k-god | ShadowJK: Should give a correction to hwclock. |
| 08:29.02 | t13b0 | i've already try it : wclock --set --date ... |
| 08:29.04 | k-god | t13b0: Sounds like you may have a bad bios though. |
| 08:29.26 | t13b0 | yes , but windows ( on another disk) work properly |
| 08:29.42 | ShadowJK | probably might work better with a newer kernel, or booting with noacpi |
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| 08:30.35 | t13b0 | i'm on the weekly debian testing (2.6.15) |
| 08:31.14 | t13b0 | what's exaclty ACPI is ? |
| 08:31.38 | k-god | t13b0: can you tell if it's the HW or SW clocks that are running fast? |
| 08:31.47 | unix_infidel | there is no place to sit with a laptop other than a couch. |
| 08:31.52 | k-god | t13b0: ... and is this a laptop or desktop system? |
| 08:31.56 | unix_infidel | beds are just too straining on the neck. |
| 08:31.57 | rob | I'm having a few problems starting mysqld, http://sial.org/pbot/16957 |
| 08:31.58 | t13b0 | a laptop |
| 08:32.08 | rob | what have I done wrong? |
| 08:32.08 | k-god | t13b0: Speedstep? |
| 08:32.17 | t13b0 | speedstep ?? |
| 08:32.18 | k-god | t13b0: That can confuse kernel time. |
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| 08:32.26 | k-god | t13b0: Variable CPU speed? |
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| 08:32.48 | t13b0 | i suppose not |
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| 08:33.09 | t13b0 | it's an sempron |
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| 08:33.28 | bengrubb | hey whats the command to see how much hardrive space you have? |
| 08:33.34 | unix_infidel | you can downclock a sempron |
| 08:33.38 | unix_infidel | bengrubb: df |
| 08:33.43 | bengrubb | ty |
| 08:33.53 | unix_infidel | df -h if you want to make a little more sense. |
| 08:34.00 | bengrubb | k |
| 08:34.19 | bengrubb | time for man dh |
| 08:34.27 | bengrubb | dan |
| 08:34.30 | bengrubb | dam* |
| 08:34.34 | bengrubb | there is no manual |
| 08:34.44 | bengrubb | oh wait sorry |
| 08:34.46 | unix_infidel | man df |
| 08:34.52 | bengrubb | yep i spelt it wrong |
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| 08:36.57 | sidd | hi! i have noticed udp packets go out of sync with dual cpu boards. any workaround? |
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| 08:37.19 | cahoot | bengrubb:nb it will tell how much is left on mounted partitions |
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| 08:40.23 | t13b0 | i've tried with noacpi and i'ts not better |
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| 08:42.32 | fleky | good moorning #debian |
| 08:43.07 | pageyoo7 | 8:45 pm here |
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| 08:43.23 | Crell | That's because you're on the wrong side of the world. :-) |
| 08:43.24 | unix_infidel | 0343 here. |
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| 08:43.31 | pageyoo7 | wow |
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| 08:43.48 | pageyoo7 | must have slept in |
| 08:44.01 | unix_infidel | slept? |
| 08:44.11 | Crell | What is this word of which you speak? |
| 08:44.15 | yertyo | anyone have any luck with google earth under wine with the nvidia binary drivers ? |
| 08:44.28 | unix_infidel | we are linux users, we dont do this REM thing you talk about. |
| 08:44.39 | unix_infidel | we drink cheap beer and updatedb all night. |
| 08:44.54 | pageyoo7 | I agree |
| 08:45.00 | yertyo | and we spit on windows users |
| 08:45.01 | pageyoo7 | but no beer |
| 08:45.07 | Crell | Eeew, beer. |
| 08:45.11 | pageyoo7 | vodca |
| 08:45.13 | pageyoo7 | lol |
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| 08:45.30 | pageyoo7 | NZ time here |
| 08:45.45 | Clackwell | hi. i am not a linux person, but i would like to get in contact with the maintainers or developers of the java-package package. how do i go about that? |
| 08:45.45 | k-god | Speaking of which... |
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| 08:46.10 | Crell | Clackwell: The package itself usually has the maintainer's email in it. |
| 08:46.11 | Clackwell | ah, found a list, nevermind. :) |
| 08:46.18 | Crell | That works, too. |
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| 08:48.04 | Crell | I've a Wine question. When last I tried installing it (Sid), I ended up with two directories under ~/.wine/, fake_windows and drive_c. Apparently it was using one of them sometimes and the other at other times. |
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| 08:48.28 | Crell | So I purged it, and am trying again. Any suggestions on how to make it use the same directory consistently? |
| 08:48.44 | ruied | how do I see if my debian stable has advanced routing and policy routing compiled in ??? |
| 08:48.46 | Crell | Or better yet, a way to install programs to somewhere under /usr rather than taking up space in /home? |
| 08:49.02 | valdyn | Crell: one of both is just a symlink? |
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| 08:49.10 | yertyo | Crell: did you use winetools? |
| 08:49.13 | Crell | Nope, they were both real directories. |
| 08:49.41 | Crell | yertyo: I believe so. It was a few weeks ago that I set it up, and don't recall exactly what I did. |
| 08:49.46 | Crell | I'm just starting winesetuptk right now. |
| 08:49.47 | yertyo | i think winetools creates the fake_windows directory,maybe. |
| 08:49.56 | valdyn | Crell: you used the wine debian package? why do you think it installed to ~/ ? |
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| 08:51.01 | Crell | valdyn: I'm not surprised that it's using that by default, although WINE's own libraries are all over /usr/lib as expected. I'm asking if there's a sane way to NOT make it do that. |
| 08:51.17 | Crell | (My /usr has a ton of free space, while my /home is rather tight. <g> That and I hate making programs single-user.) |
| 08:51.30 | valdyn | Crell: wine DOESNT install to ~/ |
| 08:51.45 | Crell | Wine itself, no. But a Windows program you install through Wine, yes. |
| 08:51.55 | valdyn | Crell: EVERY package is SUPPOSED to install user specific configuration in ~/ |
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| 08:51.58 | die_z | Crell: you should have installed wine 0.9.11, and it uses drive_c I think, and try using winecfg from wine-utils package |
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| 08:52.15 | Crell | valdyn: I don't think you understand what I'm saying. |
| 08:52.27 | Crell | Wine's binaries are in /usr, its libs in /usr/lib, etc. All standard. |
| 08:52.36 | valdyn | Crell: so what's the point? |
| 08:52.37 | Crell | It has a ~/.wine/ directory for its own configs, also standard. |
| 08:53.09 | Crell | HOWEVER, if you install, say, Starcraft through Wine, then the Starcraft binaries are placed under ~/.wine/fake_windows/Program Files (or similar). |
| 08:53.36 | Crell | I'm wondering if there's a viable way to install the Starcraft binaries et al into /usr/local/wine/Program Files, or something like that. |
| 08:53.54 | valdyn | Crell: /etc/wine/config or somesuch |
| 08:54.19 | Crell | Will I run into permission issues doing that? |
| 08:54.31 | die_z | Crell: you should be able to manage symlinks to point to somewhere else, they should be under .wine/dosdevices |
| 08:54.46 | valdyn | Crell: /usr/local/ is certainly not supposed to be user - writable |
| 08:55.17 | jomo2005 | can anybody help me with asterisk for debian... please msg me |
| 08:55.30 | valdyn | !tell jomo2005 -about ask |
| 08:55.49 | Crell | Generally no. I'm fine with sudoing to install the program. I mean more in terms of the non-changing binaries and data files. |
| 08:55.49 | jomo2005 | oops sorry :) |
| 08:56.01 | netfrog | !tell netfrog -about ask |
| 08:56.16 | valdyn | Crell: now using the suid bit for this is even more broken |
| 08:56.18 | Crell | And there's no /etc/wine* apparently. |
| 08:56.43 | Crell | At least not yet. |
| 08:56.58 | yertyo | I have warcraft 3 in /opt,I just cd to there then run the game,cant save my game though. |
| 08:57.19 | Crell | hm. |
| 08:57.20 | valdyn | Crell: ~/.wine/config should work too |
| 08:57.37 | valdyn | Crell: you are free to define any virtual drive in wine's config at any place you want |
| 08:57.55 | Crell | Well, that's not created until I run the setuptk tool, which is what's next for me to do. Again, I'm just cautious about breaking something or shooting myself in the permission foot. |
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| 08:58.37 | die_z | Crell: since version 0.9.1 wine uses a plain ASCII registry placed under .wine/ and you edit it with winecfg and regedit |
| 08:58.41 | Crell | Would /usr/local/wine/drive_c, mode 7 for group, owned by group "wineusers" and symlinked be too ridiculous? |
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| 08:59.21 | valdyn | Crell: that would be fine |
| 08:59.32 | Crell | OK, cool. |
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| 09:00.35 | yertyo | what you could do is put starcraft in /usr/local/wine/ or whatever,then make a symlink to ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/ for all the data files and what not |
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| 09:02.24 | Crell | yertyo: Yeah, I just want to make sure that I'm not setting myself up for disaster in the process. :-) |
| 09:03.03 | yertyo | i hate games that store the user settings in the game folder :D |
| 09:03.28 | Crell | Well, in traditional Windows there's not much alternative besides the registry, and that's even worse. :-) |
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| 09:04.04 | yertyo | i hear bad things about windows |
| 09:04.17 | Crell | Most of them are true. |
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| 09:04.23 | yertyo | haha |
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| 09:10.40 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:10.40 | lunar | ugh, it's back |
| 09:10.41 | yertyo | spam? |
| 09:10.41 | lunar | I thought they k-lined that thing |
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| 09:10.41 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:10.41 | yertyo | uh oh |
| 09:10.42 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:10.42 | yertyo | haha |
| 09:10.42 | lunar | shoo |
| 09:10.42 | yertyo | bad spammer |
| 09:10.42 | yertyo | get |
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| 09:10.47 | sraey | any idea how can I use tcpdump to display all the http data (I mean html code interchanged with the http server)? |
| 09:10.47 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:10.47 | Crell | No, but if you have a GUI, you're probably better off using ethereal. |
| 09:10.47 | Crell | Similar functionality, but much easier to read. |
| 09:10.47 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:10.47 | lunar | uygh |
| 09:10.47 | lunar | !lart sear |
| 09:10.48 | yertyo | oh ya |
| 09:10.48 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:10.49 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:10.50 | Sear | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 09:11.31 | tabris|away | nice flood. |
| 09:11.41 | lunar | stats p: useless. |
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| 09:12.55 | lunar | ahh |
| 09:12.56 | yertyo | woo hoo |
| 09:12.58 | lunar | thanks ;) |
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| 09:13.01 | rob | np |
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| 09:13.56 | die_z | what is K-lining? |
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| 09:14.09 | lunar | your website really sucks if you have to spam a captive audience of 800 people just to get some hits |
| 09:14.10 | Crell | Kicked from the server. |
| 09:14.39 | unix_infidel | most of whom are idling. |
| 09:14.51 | lunar | ya, I don't know that 'people' is an accurate term ;) |
| 09:14.57 | yertyo | haha |
| 09:14.58 | die_z | thx, is it something automatic or is md an op? |
| 09:15.29 | Angels2 | ircop :) |
| 09:15.30 | yertyo | you think thats bad,you should go on AIM. |
| 09:15.34 | yertyo | oh my |
| 09:15.39 | yertyo | its insane |
| 09:16.22 | Crell | AIM isn't a problem for me, Spam-wise. |
| 09:16.46 | Crell | Although every 14 year old female in Russia now wants to message me on ICQ and ask me to view her website... |
| 09:16.46 | yertyo | ya its cool as long as you dont go in the public rooms |
| 09:16.54 | yertyo | hehe |
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| 09:18.04 | yertyo | cya all later |
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| 09:18.50 | ruied | lartc seems not to runnig on debian sarge, for example: ip rule list reports the error: RTNETLINK answers: invalid argument |
| 09:19.07 | ruied | anyone using lartc on debian |
| 09:19.10 | ruied | ? |
| 09:19.25 | Crell | Dur. Now Wine won't find my fake C:\Windows directory when installing something. |
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| 09:21.21 | tarzeau | iceconf wasn't updated for 7 years and 40 days! |
| 09:21.40 | Crell | Gotta love stable software. |
| 09:23.32 | bengrubb | mmm stable |
| 09:23.37 | Crell | ... Wow. Wine's debug mode toggle has an popup box in Franglais. |
| 09:23.46 | lunar | no no... any time you see a "14 year old female" online it's a sheriff's deputy! |
| 09:24.08 | Crell | Not if they're typing in cyrillic and speaking in perfect txtspk. |
| 09:24.12 | Crell | That's a bot. |
| 09:24.16 | Crell | Or a very very stupid person. |
| 09:25.05 | lunar | MSNBC had another program on the other day... catching another round of perverts soliciting kids online. ugh. |
| 09:25.16 | Crell | Didn't they do that about a year and a half ago? |
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| 09:26.30 | lunar | they've done several of them... I blogged it after seeing it, and this date is feb 10. maybe not the other day, but... |
| 09:26.35 | Crell | I recall one in like, summer 04. |
| 09:26.40 | apenguinlinux | hi how can i know tha chronological view of pkg that when i have install and when i have removed............... |
| 09:26.43 | lunar | third in a series... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11152602/ |
| 09:26.55 | tarzeau | apenguinlinux: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 09:27.13 | apenguinlinux | dpkg.log is empty in my box ?? |
| 09:27.21 | tarzeau | apenguinlinux: you don't have etch+ then |
| 09:27.39 | Crell | OK, why the hell is Wine asking for .wine/dosdevices/c:, when I told it in the setup script to use .wine/fake_windows? |
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| 09:28.15 | apenguinlinux | How will i do this ?? please gude me ? |
| 09:28.27 | mtnman | crell: don't whine about it :) |
| 09:28.33 | Crell | Boux! |
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| 09:29.20 | apenguinlinux | tarzeau, u sail eth0 card??? |
| 09:29.26 | matth_ | Hey guyz |
| 09:29.36 | tarzeau | i sail on the lake |
| 09:29.41 | matth_ | any idea how to downgrade Xorg 7.0 to 6.9 under sid ? |
| 09:29.49 | tarzeau | matth_: but why? |
| 09:29.54 | matth_ | like Pinning, or dunno |
| 09:29.56 | Crell | It took me enough trouble to get it upgraded. :-) |
| 09:30.12 | die_z | Crell: .wine/dosdevices/c: is a symlink thath points to fake-windows' C drive, and it should point to .wine/drive_c (or wherever you want it to be set) |
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| 09:30.20 | matth_ | tarzeau: because it's slower on my lappy, fan are more often running |
| 09:30.34 | Crell | die_z: Well, it's not a symlink. It doesn't exist. |
| 09:30.41 | matth_ | Crell: that was okay to upgrade, just little things to fix, but I'm not really happy with it now |
| 09:30.45 | Crell | I thought Wine just recently decided to actually try and stabilize things for a change. |
| 09:31.00 | die_z | then you need to create it |
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| 09:31.15 | Crell | I've not noticed a difference between 6.9 and 7 so far other than 7 not taking up as much disk space. |
| 09:31.18 | die_z | that's why you should use winecfg |
| 09:31.21 | Crell | I did. |
| 09:31.22 | apenguinlinux | tarzeau, any idea?? |
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| 09:31.49 | Crell | Or rather, winesetup, which is what Debian calls winesetuptk for who knows what reason... |
| 09:31.50 | matth_ | I did that http://pastebin.com/688325 |
| 09:31.51 | tarzeau | apenguinlinux: no, you could try to use a dpkg that supports that log file |
| 09:32.18 | matth_ | I wonder if the 6.9 packages are still on the mirror :/ |
| 09:32.27 | apenguinlinux | k |
| 09:32.38 | matth_ | and they don't show up :( |
| 09:32.49 | Crell | They should be in the snapshot archive. |
| 09:33.03 | die_z | Crell: winecfg is a "windows" utility created for wine, it's not winesetup in winesetuptk |
| 09:33.51 | Crell | hum. And it's claiming that I have NO drives configured, and it's auto detection is wrong. |
| 09:33.53 | Crell | Gah! |
| 09:34.34 | Crell | And some of the buttons don't work. |
| 09:34.45 | Crell | You know, Cedega would have no market if the Wine folks bothered to finish anything. :-) |
| 09:35.12 | die_z | they're trying, I hope |
| 09:36.09 | Crell | They're very trying. |
| 09:37.29 | Crell | ... Wine still uses OSS? |
| 09:37.44 | die_z | libwine-alsa |
| 09:37.52 | die_z | or esd, even jack |
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| 09:43.07 | Crell | unable to define devicename of 'C:', targetpath of '/home/lgarfiel/.wine/fake_windows' |
| 09:43.10 | Crell | Great. Why? |
| 09:44.33 | voltagex | I am sure this time, speedstep is compiled into my kernel |
| 09:44.36 | die_z | maybe this is something to point out on #winehq |
| 09:44.37 | Angels2 | do you use backslash or slash for the windows path? |
| 09:44.58 | Angels2 | ah... other problem i see, my fault |
| 09:45.03 | Crell | ... Those silly people, no wonder I never found their channel before. I keep looking for #Wine. |
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| 09:45.49 | voltagex | speedstep says support is disabled |
| 09:45.55 | voltagex | what am I doing wrong? |
| 09:46.03 | liran_ | are there ati drivers for x1??? series on xorg7 yet? |
| 09:46.38 | die_z | liran_: ati says 8.24.8 should run on xorg7 |
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| 09:47.02 | liran_ | thanks |
| 09:47.05 | liran_ | ill check it out |
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| 09:55.10 | brosioz | anyone known if wpasupplicant works in ad-hoc mode ? |
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| 09:58.11 | karim | hi |
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| 09:58.52 | karim | why does root doesn't need to explicitely change the right of a file to write a readonly file, like standart users do ? |
| 09:59.31 | karim | the user rights for roots are useless |
| 09:59.51 | karim | I mean the first octal digit |
| 10:00.00 | die_z | karim: why should root ask permission? |
| 10:00.28 | Defty | karim: you could make a program that inspect those rights and make them useful that way :-) |
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| 10:02.11 | karim | die_z: for the same reason that a user must ask the permission to himself to write a file that he owns |
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| 10:03.21 | die_z | root=god |
| 10:03.26 | karim | I find it's an inconsistency in the linux security design |
| 10:03.31 | karim | think |
| 10:03.45 | die_z | never give your root pass away ;) |
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| 10:04.14 | karim | die_z: well even for my self, if I am root, maybe some files shouldn't be deleted unless I explicitely says so |
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| 10:04.30 | karim | well nevermind |
| 10:04.33 | bengrubb | use denyhosts ;) |
| 10:04.37 | die_z | then you shouldn't be root |
| 10:04.43 | karim | anyway it's to late, that would make to much script to rewrite :) |
| 10:04.44 | HNT | Hello everybody, I have a problem with the installation of xserver-xorg, when I type apt-get -f install xserver-xorg, I got this error : Error have been found : |
| 10:04.44 | HNT | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.44 | HNT | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 10:05.02 | HNT | so now if i reboot i won't have any x server |
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| 10:05.13 | HNT | i'm in unstable mod |
| 10:05.29 | die_z | karim: what if you deny read access to /etc/passwd... who can read it, then? |
| 10:06.25 | bengrubb | the computer.. |
| 10:06.32 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 10:06.42 | die_z | LOL |
| 10:06.48 | bengrubb | the computer can do anything.. |
| 10:07.13 | bengrubb | mmmm computer |
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| 10:08.53 | HNT | don't anybody have a solution for my xorg problem ? |
| 10:09.12 | pageyoo7 | HNT: whats up?' |
| 10:09.18 | karim | die_z: what if you delete /etc/passwd, who can read it then ? |
| 10:09.19 | karim | :) |
| 10:09.49 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 10:09.53 | bengrubb | wel.. |
| 10:09.55 | bengrubb | well* |
| 10:09.55 | die_z | postal police |
| 10:10.01 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 10:10.03 | Shadowcat | rm -rf karim |
| 10:10.09 | karim | die_z: well maybe they allowed root to do everything to avoid stupid manipulation like chmode 000 -R . lol. |
| 10:10.28 | karim | but that's at least less stupid than rm -fr . as root |
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| 10:10.42 | HNT | I have install kdmin unstable mode via apt-get installl kdm, he try to install xserver-xorg but he return an error code :/var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.15_all.deb |
| 10:10.42 | HNT | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), so i don't have any xserver |
| 10:10.53 | karim | die_z: well maybe they allowed root to do everything to avoid chmod 000 -R ./ |
| 10:11.06 | karim | sorry for the reapeat |
| 10:11.23 | bengrubb | vhcs 2.4.7.1 is annoying me at the mmoment... |
| 10:11.52 | bengrubb | sky* |
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| 10:12.08 | pageyoo7 | HNT: #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:12.29 | pageyoo7 | select vesa |
| 10:13.03 | HNT | it said me that xserver-xorg is not installed |
| 10:13.34 | pageyoo7 | you have stable/sarge? |
| 10:14.39 | die_z | xorg7 in sarge? |
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| 10:14.48 | aarchie | I'm running Debian testing (etch) but on reboot I get "GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... Error 15" and then nothing. I don't think I've changed anything important recently. In fact on my last boot I was in Windows XP moving some data on an ntfs partition. Can anyone advise? |
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| 10:14.50 | HNT | at the base it was a sarge in stable mode, and i changed the sources.list in /etc/apt to put the distro in unstable mode to get the last version of kde, but it try to install xser-xorg and it faill |
| 10:14.51 | kroddn | try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree |
| 10:15.22 | Crell | OK, Debian question this time. :-) |
| 10:15.36 | HNT | it also said me xserver-xfree86 isn't installed |
| 10:15.51 | Crell | Wine, if I set it to use Alsa, tries to grab /dev/snd/seq |
| 10:15.56 | Crell | Said device file does not exist. |
| 10:16.12 | Crell | Why would it not exist, and how would I go about correcting this oversight? |
| 10:16.19 | HNT | i don't have any xserver, currently, i'm using xfree86 which is loaded in my memory, but if i reboot i won't have any xserver |
| 10:17.16 | die_z | Crell: try modprobing snd_seq |
| 10:17.44 | HNT | die_a: at the base it was a sarge debian but now it's in unstable mode |
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| 10:17.51 | pageyoo7 | remove "unstable"from your repos"reinstall xorg from testing |
| 10:17.56 | Crell | die_z: There we go. Thanks. |
| 10:18.05 | Crell | I keep forgetting, how do I set it to load that automatically? |
| 10:18.17 | die_z | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:18.55 | die_z | HNT: try using aptitude, it may help you to track dependency problems |
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| 10:19.13 | die_z | and I agree you should go with testing ;) |
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| 10:20.34 | pageyoo7 | you have synaptic,uncheck unstable,remove xorg completely and reinstall from testing |
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| 10:24.59 | aarchie | I'm running Debian testing (etch) but on reboot I get "GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... Error 15" and then nothing. I don't think I've changed anything important recently. I've looked up the error and it means 15 : File not found. Can anyone advise? |
| 10:25.03 | HNT | ok but if i try to remove xorg with synaptic it will uninstall lots of package |
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| 10:27.43 | HNT | when i try to install xserver-xorg with synaptic in testing mode it will remove hunderded of softwares |
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| 10:30.24 | die_z | what if you try to install xserver-xfree? |
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| 10:31.37 | apenguinlinux | Hi when i am using "apt-get update " its giving me this error__ "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 10:31.37 | apenguinlinux | E: Error occured while processing debconf-i18n (NewVersion1) |
| 10:31.37 | apenguinlinux | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 10:31.37 | apenguinlinux | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 10:31.37 | apenguinlinux | " |
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| 10:32.03 | apenguinlinux | Hi when i am using "apt-get update " its giving me this error__ "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 10:32.07 | apenguinlinux | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 10:32.11 | apenguinlinux | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 10:32.23 | apenguinlinux | what is that ..????can nay one please tell me |
| 10:32.27 | kapil | apenguinlinux: do not paste here! |
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| 10:32.59 | apenguinlinux | kapil, its a Debian question ??where i will paste mr kapil???? |
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| 10:33.17 | kapil | apenguinlinux: paste in #flood. Only ask questions here. |
| 10:33.56 | cahoot | apenguinlinux: try /msg dpkg mmap |
| 10:34.30 | apenguinlinux | ok |
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| 10:34.51 | HNT | die_a: iv'got the same error, he try to delete hundered of packages |
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| 10:36.12 | kapil | apenguinlinux: anyway, your question can be answered by google and numerous faqs! put APT::Cache-Limit "10000000"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 10:37.14 | cahoot | kapil: or /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 10:37.58 | die_z | HNT: did you reconfig your sources.list to only have testing packages? |
| 10:38.26 | HNT | yes i do |
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| 10:40.04 | die_z | put in sources list both testing and unstable repos, then modify your /etc/apt/preferences to pin testing version over unstable ones |
| 10:40.12 | kapil | testing "xdm" startup script seems to be broken. It looks for /usr/bin/X11/xdm. /usr/bin/X11 is still (in testing) a link to ../../X11R6/bin and the new xdm is installed in /usr/bin/xdm. |
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| 10:41.43 | FabParma | how to acces to Debian pc via VNC? do you have experience on this topic? |
| 10:41.55 | Angels2 | install vncserver? :P |
| 10:41.57 | avtobiff | tightvnc |
| 10:42.22 | FabParma | Angels2, already done |
| 10:42.31 | cahoot | kapil: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 10:42.55 | FabParma | avtobiff: i will try it |
| 10:43.06 | Angels2 | FabParma: start the server and... uhm connect? :P |
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| 10:43.09 | cahoot | kapil: err - disregard |
| 10:43.33 | FabParma | Angels2: how do you start the server? |
| 10:43.46 | avtobiff | FabParma, run the server |
| 10:43.47 | Angels2 | vnserver :p |
| 10:43.52 | Angels2 | err, vncserver |
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| 10:44.38 | |ryan| | hmm |
| 10:44.43 | FabParma | Angels2: its not so easy, it has to set password, port, resolution etc |
| 10:45.02 | |ryan| | the debian installer looks like crap run via SSH with screen. |
| 10:45.05 | FabParma | avtobiff: in my vncserver there are'nt this option |
| 10:45.06 | Angels2 | FabParma: so what is the problem? |
| 10:45.14 | |ryan| | works, tho |
| 10:45.19 | Angels2 | FabParma ~/.vnc/ --- check the configs |
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| 10:45.41 | FabParma | Angels2: i try now, thankx |
| 10:45.48 | Angels2 | FabParma vncserver --help :P |
| 10:46.18 | Angels2 | FabParma: first time you start the server it ask you for a password, resolution, etc can be set by parameters or config |
| 10:46.34 | Angels2 | which wm is started can be set via config |
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| 10:47.05 | FabParma | probabilly, i mistake to start the vnc |
| 10:47.12 | Angels2 | ? |
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| 10:47.36 | FabParma | Angels2: to me vnc dont ask nothing |
| 10:47.44 | Angels2 | vnc or vncserver? |
| 10:47.53 | HNT | die_a : i don't have any preferences file in /etc/apt |
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| 10:48.33 | FabParma | i tipe "vnc4server " or "vncserver" |
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| 10:49.55 | die_z | HNT: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.it.html#s-apt-install section 6.2.5 |
| 10:50.01 | FabParma | Angels2: now i go to see the config file, see you later and thak you |
| 10:50.17 | die_z | sorry, I sent you the italian version |
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| 10:59.58 | ootput | hi guys, how do i make a Makefile place it's binary output into specific folders? |
| 11:01.06 | |ryan| | FSCK |
| 11:01.18 | |ryan| | the damned SSH install console hung on me. |
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| 11:10.20 | yoo | HI ! |
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| 11:11.06 | yoo | i use flexbackup and when i launch it , i hace a error message : |
| 11:11.15 | yoo | flexbackup -newtape |
| 11:11.23 | yoo | Errors: |
| 11:11.23 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.24 | vegga | hi, anyone with xorg 7 and freenx? i spent hours and it doesn't work |
| 11:11.37 | yoo | it's because the command is mt-st |
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| 11:12.12 | yoo | but how learn to flexbackup that ? |
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| 11:13.20 | jelly-ho | yoo: you should also have a /bin/mt symlink. |
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| 11:14.04 | marstewel | any hints on keeping chroots in sync (libs, etc) ? |
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| 11:15.09 | yoo | jelly-ho, ok |
| 11:15.13 | yoo | i look that |
| 11:15.17 | yoo | i can create it |
| 11:16.06 | jelly-ho | yoo: use update-alternatives to do that. |
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| 11:17.30 | yoo | jelly-ho, thanks |
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| 11:23.00 | aarchie | I'm running Debian testing (etch) but on reboot I get "GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... Error 15" and then nothing. I don't think I've changed anything important recently. I've looked up the error and it means 15 : File not found. Can anyone advise? |
| 11:23.30 | marstewel | did you change something in /boot/grub ? |
| 11:23.42 | marstewel | e. g. erase a file... |
| 11:24.03 | netfrog | or something in /boot liek removing a kernel ;) ... |
| 11:24.06 | Gnea | aarchie: do you still have a debian cd? |
| 11:24.16 | aarchie | marstewel: definitely not. in fact I haven't even done any updating from apt in a few days. |
| 11:24.39 | aarchie | netfrog: nope- no kernel changes. |
| 11:25.02 | aarchie | Gnea: I do. |
| 11:26.01 | Gnea | aarchie: you can use it to boot into your system - just pass root=/dev/hdXY to the field... like boot: linux26 root=/dev/hda1 |
| 11:26.31 | Gnea | aarchie: probably some grub files didn't get properly updated during the upgrade |
| 11:27.16 | aarchie | Gnea: I tried typing that at the boot prompt but it has just taken me to the choose language bit of the installer anyway. |
| 11:27.24 | netfrog | where the grub is installed ? (hdX/hdXY) |
| 11:28.01 | Gnea | aarchie: do you have anything such as knoppix? |
| 11:28.18 | aarchie | my root filesystem is /dev/hda7, if that's what you mean? |
| 11:28.29 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:28.37 | Gnea | that could be a problem |
| 11:28.38 | netfrog | aarchie, and where did you install grub? /dev/hda or /dev/hda7 ? |
| 11:28.52 | aarchie | Gnea: I can't find my CD so I'm downloading at the moment (16 hours to go!) |
| 11:29.06 | marstewel | aarchie: a netinstall cd is enough |
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| 11:29.12 | Gnea | 16 hours?! |
| 11:29.12 | aarchie | netfrog: I think it goes on /dev/hda, doesn't it? |
| 11:29.25 | Gnea | the hell, you on dialup? |
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| 11:29.40 | aarchie | marstewel: I have an install CD. |
| 11:29.41 | netfrog | aarchie, usually - yes but may be on hda7 ... |
| 11:29.49 | marstewel | aarchie: so why the download ? |
| 11:29.54 | marstewel | aarchie: knoppix or what ? |
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| 11:30.31 | aarchie | Gnea: I'm on 2Mbps but bittorrent hasn't picked up on many sources yet, I guess. It's Knopix I'm downloading as I haven't had success with the Debian CD yet. |
| 11:31.08 | Gnea | aarchie: that's retarded. you can download the knoppix iso directly from their website in less than 1 hour at that speed |
| 11:31.14 | marstewel | aarchie: I'd go with the DFS cd (debian from scratch) |
| 11:31.43 | aarchie | I'm open to suggestion. I've not used DFS before though.. |
| 11:32.09 | harleyg | whats a simple and easy way to get the graphics card informatioj#n? |
| 11:32.16 | harleyg | information?*, stupid keyboard |
| 11:32.19 | aarchie | Gnea: you're quite right. I guess I'll switch download methods.. |
| 11:32.24 | Gnea | harleyg: lspci | grep VGA |
| 11:32.27 | harleyg | thanks |
| 11:32.38 | avtobiff | FabParma, no tightvnc is a vnc client |
| 11:32.42 | avtobiff | and server i think |
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| 11:33.30 | Gnea | aarchie: as long as you can get the livecd to boot and get a GUI of some sort, you should be able to run grub there and install it to the superblock of hda |
| 11:33.44 | FabParma | avtobiff: thank you |
| 11:33.57 | aarchie | Can you advise me on how to use the Debian installation CD or should I definitely be getting hold of a live CD? |
| 11:34.21 | Gnea | use the livecd for the recovery method |
| 11:34.41 | FabParma | avtobiff: i will have to study vnc as soon is possible |
| 11:34.47 | Gnea | i'm not sure what you need the debian installation cd for at this point - but it won't hurt to keep it around :) |
| 11:34.50 | FabParma | avtobiff: thank you again |
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| 11:35.46 | Gnea | !beer aarchie |
| 11:35.51 | aarchie | Gnea: OK. I'll work on a Live CD & then check back in. Thanks, everyone. |
| 11:35.57 | Gnea | this is a good time to drink #) |
| 11:36.05 | Gnea | good luck |
| 11:36.08 | marstewel | but not Jever Gnea :) |
| 11:36.16 | aarchie | Gnea: Nice! |
| 11:36.32 | Gnea | !beer marstewel |
| 11:36.38 | marstewel | lol |
| 11:36.40 | Gnea | marstewel: beggers can't be choosers ;) |
| 11:36.47 | marstewel | hehe |
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| 11:36.53 | k31th | A |
| 11:36.57 | k31th | What do you guys use to mix mp3s in nix ? |
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| 11:37.13 | aarchie | I think I may well need it. I'm quite worried that this has happened seemingly without me changing anything.. |
| 11:37.19 | Gnea | i'm moving away from mp3 and toward ogg |
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| 11:37.50 | Gnea | k31th: what do you mean by 'mix'? |
| 11:38.12 | k31th | Gnea: beat match. |
| 11:38.14 | k31th | etc |
| 11:38.19 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:38.30 | Gnea | i've used audacity before, it's fairly solid |
| 11:38.41 | Gnea | but ardour is on a completely different level |
| 11:38.54 | Gnea | and if you can get it to work right for you, ardour is the way to go |
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| 11:39.15 | Gnea | k31th: simply put: ardour is the shit. |
| 11:39.17 | k31th | ardour... |
| 11:39.19 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:39.26 | k31th | is it in repos ? |
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| 11:39.30 | Gnea | it is |
| 11:39.35 | k31th | Mint :D |
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| 11:39.51 | Gnea | !info ardour-gtk |
| 11:39.55 | dpkg | ardour-gtk: (digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2326 kB, Installed size: 5956 kB |
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| 11:40.21 | Gnea | k31th: have you ever used the jack daemon? |
| 11:40.28 | tom_and_jerry | Hi all. Has there been a change in the xorg.conf with regard to the mouse? earlier I had /dev/mouse and now that device is missing. Debian SID. |
| 11:40.30 | k31th | ahh i need to get jackd working |
| 11:40.35 | k31th | no this is where i failed last time lol |
| 11:40.40 | Gnea | ah |
| 11:40.41 | k31th | cant be that hard to guse ? |
| 11:40.41 | mkl | Hi, I'm running testing and have got a touchpad and a usb mouse on my notebook, The touchpad works but the usb mouse doesn't work. both devices are enabled in xorg.conf - is there any place I've got to activate the mouse when I plug in? |
| 11:40.41 | Gnea | lol |
| 11:40.49 | k31th | use. |
| 11:40.50 | Gnea | jackd is quite easy, actually - just get the gui |
| 11:40.59 | k31th | ok nice |
| 11:41.10 | Gnea | tom_and_jerry: /dev/mouse is nothing but a symlink |
| 11:41.26 | k31th | Gnea: gui not in repos ? |
| 11:41.27 | Gnea | tom_and_jerry: so if the file itself changed, then that's probably why |
| 11:41.28 | tom_and_jerry | Gnea as of now the symbolic link is also midssing |
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| 11:41.48 | Gnea | !info qjackctl |
| 11:41.54 | dpkg | qjackctl: (User interface for controlling the JACK sound server), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.19a-1 (sid), Packaged size: 356 kB, Installed size: 968 kB |
| 11:41.59 | Gnea | tom_and_jerry: what kernel are you running? |
| 11:42.18 | tom_and_jerry | 2.4 |
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| 11:42.41 | tom_and_jerry | Gnea and my mouse is a USB device (just as mkl's) |
| 11:42.43 | k31th | wanna get this workinga nd try mix some tunes :D |
| 11:42.53 | Gnea | k31th: it's fucking dope - i was helping someone get it running with an RME Hammerfall once... OMFG i was creaming my pants |
| 11:43.25 | Gnea | tom_and_jerry: so it's probably /dev/input/mice |
| 11:43.27 | k31th | awsome. |
| 11:43.32 | tom_and_jerry | Gnea, btw the xorg.conf had /dev/input/mice earlier |
| 11:43.37 | k31th | Gnea: you into dance tunes ? |
| 11:43.42 | tom_and_jerry | Gnea, even that is missing |
| 11:44.03 | tom_and_jerry | looks like tom ate jerry after all. |
| 11:44.04 | Gnea | k31th: sorta - more dnb and cutting edge dnb |
| 11:44.19 | Gnea | lol |
| 11:44.25 | Gnea | !beer tom_and_jerry |
| 11:44.50 | threat | Gnea, wat did that do |
| 11:44.56 | k31th | Gnea: yeah dont mind a bit of dnb |
| 11:45.05 | k31th | infact iv got alot of dnb |
| 11:45.09 | anabain | I think I have something wrong with my compilers... can anybody help me? output from: gcc-3.4 -o lletres lletres.c here: http://pastebin.com/688455. the same output with gcc by default |
| 11:45.10 | Gnea | k31th: i'm quite open-minded when it comes to music, tho |
| 11:45.14 | threat | i like dnb also |
| 11:45.16 | k31th | yeah |
| 11:45.24 | threat | i am listning to some Sonic now |
| 11:45.42 | k31th | dnb is kool just some of the people that follow it are a bit sketchy |
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| 11:45.48 | tom_and_jerry | lalala |
| 11:45.48 | Gnea | i'll put on bach and beethoven in vinyl at times |
| 11:45.58 | tom_and_jerry | this is a bad hangover from beer. |
| 11:46.01 | k31th | I do think MC's ruin it from time to time/ |
| 11:46.04 | threat | k31th, heh, the pill poppers? or lcders? |
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| 11:46.20 | bonez39 | Gnea, I have old vinyl..but no turntable.... |
| 11:46.22 | threat | lsd lol |
| 11:46.36 | Gnea | MC's are much more frontal and focused |
| 11:46.40 | bonez39 | can one even find a turntable any more? |
| 11:46.46 | abrotman | yes .. lots |
| 11:46.47 | k31th | threat: got no problem with them doing pills, normally speaking more fights at dnb events than say dance. |
| 11:46.48 | Gnea | whereas DJ's know how to read a crowd |
| 11:46.53 | threat | bonez39, i have 1 |
| 11:47.10 | threat | wtf, there are fights at dnb events? |
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| 11:47.26 | Gnea | threat: only if there are idiots there |
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| 11:47.31 | abrotman | http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032182&cp=2032057 |
| 11:47.40 | abrotman | and that's just crappy ones at radio shack :) |
| 11:47.44 | threat | true, but that is the same at any public event / gathering |
| 11:47.58 | threat | you always get dickeads going there too |
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| 11:48.08 | k31th | dnb is quite big in the uk |
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| 11:48.35 | Gnea | abrotman: wait, the rat shack has technics now?...... |
| 11:48.42 | k31th | Gnea: jackd gui should that start on default settings ? |
| 11:48.53 | abrotman | Gnea: think they have for a while for some certain items |
| 11:48.59 | k31th | i have a sound diasaster audigy2 24bit |
| 11:49.04 | cahoot | abrotman: seems almost indestructible - my 22 year ol Technics just spins and spins |
| 11:49.24 | Gnea | k31th: sure - run jackd first, then qjackctl and use that to configure it - best bet is to devise your own patch set and save it |
| 11:49.29 | abrotman | i just got rid of my turntable .. had an 8track player in it too :) |
| 11:49.32 | Gnea | k31th: you're using ALSA, right? |
| 11:49.43 | k31th | yeah |
| 11:49.49 | Gnea | cool |
| 11:49.50 | k31th | i just run jackd on cmd line ? |
| 11:49.56 | Gnea | abrotman: you BASTARD! :) |
| 11:49.56 | k31th | or run the gui to start it ? |
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| 11:50.30 | Gnea | actually... i think the gui can control start/stop functions |
| 11:50.31 | threat | k31th, are you from the uk? |
| 11:50.32 | abrotman | Gnea: they're easy to find .. you live in AZ .. wait for old people to die ;) |
| 11:50.35 | Gnea | try it and see |
| 11:50.37 | k31th | threat: yes. |
| 11:50.46 | k31th | Gnea: yea it does but its not starting :p |
| 11:50.48 | Gnea | k31th: best test is with the jack output plugin for xmms |
| 11:50.58 | threat | nice, where are good spots to go in at london and around cormal? |
| 11:51.21 | Gnea | threat: that's a bit beyond the scope of this channel :) |
| 11:51.23 | k31th | cormal ? |
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| 11:51.39 | threat | yeah COR-MAL I cant spell :P |
| 11:51.40 | k31th | London id go SE One (massive) |
| 11:51.50 | k31th | just look on dontstayin.com |
| 11:51.50 | threat | like south west of england |
| 11:51.59 | k31th | cornwall ? |
| 11:52.03 | threat | Gnea, yes it is :) |
| 11:52.05 | threat | k31th, probably |
| 11:52.11 | Gnea | hehe |
| 11:52.12 | k31th | hum well south west |
| 11:52.13 | k31th | slinky |
| 11:52.17 | k31th | wher ei want last ngiht |
| 11:52.28 | k31th | Mario Picotto was playing a 3 hour set |
| 11:52.32 | k31th | which turned out to be 2 hours :S |
| 11:52.39 | threat | :S |
| 11:52.40 | bengrubb | hey all say i am in ssh and i want to uninstall everything except the base system and ssh what can I do? |
| 11:52.58 | threat | bengrubb, die |
| 11:53.00 | bengrubb | like uninstall all the apt-get's ive done besides ssh |
| 11:53.02 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 11:53.15 | abrotman | bengrubb: look into deborphan |
| 11:53.15 | threat | killing yourself will be quicker |
| 11:53.15 | bengrubb | or do you mean literally |
| 11:53.22 | bengrubb | heh |
| 11:53.23 | Gnea | hrmmmm |
| 11:53.30 | Gnea | threat: now hold on ... |
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| 11:53.44 | anabain | please, take a llook at this output from: gcc-3.4 -o lletres lletres.c http://pastebin.com/688455. the same output with gcc by default |
| 11:53.59 | threat | YEAH? |
| 11:54.04 | threat | oops capslock |
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| 11:54.40 | abrotman | anabain: did you install build-essential ? |
| 11:55.13 | bengrubb | what are the commands for deborphan |
| 11:55.20 | bengrubb | wait.. |
| 11:55.21 | bengrubb | man |
| 11:55.31 | abrotman | you have to install it to start :) |
| 11:55.48 | Gnea | bengrubb: i've never tried that, but you could give this a shot: for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done <--- no guarantees that it will work right, but yeah, you'll have to read and hit enter a lot :) |
| 11:55.54 | anabain | abrotman, I think I have solved it. I've reinstalled libc6-dev |
| 11:56.08 | abrotman | anabain: apt-get install build-essential |
| 11:56.15 | bengrubb | not from a remote location well i could but lots of hassel |
| 11:56.22 | bengrubb | GneaL gmm |
| 11:56.24 | bengrubb | hmm* |
| 11:56.40 | abrotman | and if you screw up .. system no workie! |
| 11:56.50 | Gnea | yeah |
| 11:56.59 | bengrubb | if it aint broke... |
| 11:57.06 | bengrubb | *100 replies* |
| 11:57.12 | abrotman | break it! |
| 11:57.14 | Gnea | ...throw a wrench into it! |
| 11:57.17 | abrotman | the motto of gentoo |
| 11:57.28 | anabain | ok, abrotman |
| 11:57.31 | Gnea | blah, the motto of sid |
| 11:57.33 | bengrubb | so run this: "dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j" |
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| 11:57.53 | Gnea | bengrubb: no, run this: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done |
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| 11:58.09 | Gnea | quote placement is *essential* |
| 11:58.11 | gizmo | Hi. What can I do if cg-fetch fails? "unable to get the HEAD branch" |
| 11:58.20 | bengrubb | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
| 11:58.31 | Gnea | wait |
| 11:58.35 | Gnea | damnit |
| 11:58.39 | abrotman | for? |
| 11:58.48 | bengrubb | dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done |
| 11:58.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done |
| 11:58.50 | Gnea | bengrubb: no, run this: for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done |
| 11:59.07 | bengrubb | then this pops up: > |
| 11:59.10 | Gnea | i need another beer |
| 11:59.13 | bengrubb | heh |
| 11:59.19 | abrotman | Gnea: isn't that the same ? |
| 11:59.29 | Gnea | ARGH |
| 11:59.29 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 11:59.37 | bengrubb | for |
| 11:59.42 | Gnea | for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'`; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done |
| 11:59.48 | Gnea | forgot the closing ` to the first set |
| 11:59.52 | abrotman | Gnea: maybe you should test this first? :) |
| 11:59.55 | bengrubb | mmm 70 megabytes |
| 12:00.00 | Gnea | abrotman: fuck that :) |
| 12:00.12 | bengrubb | oh its saying remove i think |
| 12:00.19 | bengrubb | LOL |
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| 12:00.22 | bengrubb | 70 meg will be removed |
| 12:00.23 | Gnea | :D |
| 12:00.27 | Gnea | !beer bengrubb |
| 12:00.35 | bengrubb | but ssh is included :( |
| 12:00.45 | Gnea | oh whoops |
| 12:00.48 | bengrubb | LOL |
| 12:00.48 | Gnea | sorry |
| 12:00.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:00.54 | bengrubb | thats ok |
| 12:00.58 | bengrubb | didnt type y yet |
| 12:01.00 | abrotman | ssh isn't important! |
| 12:01.02 | Gnea | cool |
| 12:01.05 | bengrubb | yes it is.. |
| 12:01.07 | Gnea | wait |
| 12:01.11 | Gnea | put ssh on hold |
| 12:01.12 | Gnea | !hold |
| 12:01.12 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 12:01.28 | abrotman | why can't i have a channel that shows transformers gijoe voltron and robotech all day? |
| 12:01.31 | Gnea | i'm not sure if that'll stop it tho |
| 12:01.50 | Gnea | abrotman: goddamn it, i'd be glued to that and be 100% non-productive if there was |
| 12:02.03 | Gnea | abrotman: those were the BEST shows EVER |
| 12:02.03 | abrotman | Gnea: ok .. maybe only on saturdays? |
| 12:02.15 | threat | If only the lead singer from System of A Down didn't have a Jew voice |
| 12:02.17 | bengrubb | oh well now i know which packages are installed how do i uninstall each individual one |
| 12:02.20 | abrotman | and they have to show vehicle voltron too! |
| 12:02.28 | Gnea | abrotman: oh i'd buy a 52" LCD TV if that happened |
| 12:02.48 | abrotman | threat: that's not possible idiot |
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| 12:03.05 | threat | abrotman, it is if they changed singers |
| 12:03.14 | Gnea | bengrubb: that's what that command i gave you does :) |
| 12:03.22 | abrotman | threat: you have a christian voice .. see how stupid that sounds? |
| 12:03.24 | bengrubb | it uninstallls everything though |
| 12:03.32 | Gnea | yes. |
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| 12:03.40 | Gnea | but it will leave a working system |
| 12:03.50 | bengrubb | yes like from point blank |
| 12:03.58 | threat | abrotman, haha a christain voice? no I don't speak with my head up my ass with a huge grin on my face |
| 12:03.59 | bengrubb | but a working system without ssh |
| 12:04.01 | PredaGR | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-dvd/debian-31r2-i386-binary-2.iso.torrent gives me 404 while I see it there, anything bad happening? |
| 12:04.10 | Gnea | bengrubb: do you currently have the ssh .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 12:04.22 | blaheva | night all |
| 12:04.23 | threat | abrotman, ok I am over it :P I will stop my flaming |
| 12:04.27 | abrotman | threat: you fucking idiot .. judiasm is a religion that anyone can choose .. maybe you should rethink your derogatory comments |
| 12:04.34 | bengrubb | everything is in archives lol |
| 12:04.36 | threat | lol |
| 12:04.45 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:04.50 | bengrubb | i could flood this with the amountin archives |
| 12:04.52 | threat | abrotman, hmmm, do you have jew gold? |
| 12:04.53 | bengrubb | amount* |
| 12:05.16 | abrotman | threat: would you like to continue to make derogatory comments? |
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| 12:05.22 | threat | abrotman, I was refering to the stereotypical jew :) yes I know it is a choice |
| 12:05.39 | abrotman | what a freaking moron |
| 12:05.39 | threat | abrotman, lol calm down! :) |
| 12:05.39 | Gnea | threat: i'm sorry, but religion is related to #debian how? |
| 12:05.40 | threat | abrotman, I have nothing better to do |
| 12:05.46 | bengrubb | so to individually remove each package INDIVIDUALLYwhat is the command |
| 12:05.56 | bengrubb | for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'`; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done (what do i eedit in there) |
| 12:05.57 | Gnea | threat: please, do it elsewhere |
| 12:05.58 | abrotman | threat: and which country is the typical jew from? |
| 12:06.08 | bengrubb | jewland? |
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| 12:06.20 | threat | jewland! where they have jew gold and the femals have jewbs! |
| 12:06.34 | PredaGR | where can I find the 3.1 r2 torrent file? |
| 12:06.38 | abrotman | some people should die |
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| 12:06.46 | threat | bengrubb, haha :P |
| 12:06.47 | bengrubb | a nice death |
| 12:06.50 | cahoot | all do eventually |
| 12:06.54 | threat | sorry I will stop now :) |
| 12:06.55 | Gnea | bengrubb: precisely. |
| 12:06.56 | abrotman | PredaGR: they should be at cd-image.debian.org |
| 12:07.05 | bengrubb | so back to my question |
| 12:07.15 | threat | yes I know that didnt have anythign to do with #debian I was just listerning to SOAD at the time I was in this channel :) |
| 12:07.22 | threat | bengrubb, yes, sup? |
| 12:07.29 | bengrubb | how do i remove packages individualy like what is the opposite to apt-get install |
| 12:07.50 | Gnea | bengrubb: i'm so stupid, here you go... |
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| 12:07.59 | bengrubb | this: for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'`; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done (will remove everything) |
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| 12:08.12 | Gnea | for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | grep -v ssh`; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done |
| 12:08.16 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 12:08.21 | bengrubb | ... |
| 12:08.23 | Gnea | that will prevent ssh from being removed :) |
| 12:08.24 | threat | bengrubb, heh, you could do that |
| 12:08.32 | bengrubb | yes .... |
| 12:08.36 | threat | you could use aptitude |
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| 12:08.48 | PredaGR | linux:~# btdownloadcurses --max_upload_rate 7 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-dvd/debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent gives me 404 |
| 12:08.48 | threat | and do a filter on installed packages |
| 12:08.54 | abrotman | my brother just called .. and asked me to pick him up a battery for his camera .. and i ask "Don't you want that charged?" .. he just goes "Oh crap" |
| 12:08.55 | Gnea | threat: and you could provide something concrete to the discussion |
| 12:08.58 | bengrubb | will " for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | grep -v ssh`; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get remove "$j"; done" keep ssh or remove it |
| 12:08.59 | threat | and press _ a few times |
| 12:09.05 | threat | Gnea, I am |
| 12:09.12 | threat | Gnea, read up |
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| 12:09.39 | Gnea | threat: i'm sorry, i see nothing but racist bigotry flowing forth from your fingertips |
| 12:09.43 | threat | bengrubb, that would work, but the problem is ssh will be uninstalled since it has dependencies |
| 12:09.43 | bengrubb | ssh is still on the remove list |
| 12:09.49 | bengrubb | yes |
| 12:09.54 | threat | Gnea, haha, get over it |
| 12:10.02 | Gnea | hrm, something else must be catching it then |
| 12:10.08 | abrotman | Gnea: you could call ops .. if there were any :) |
| 12:10.10 | bengrubb | so back to the start how to keep ssh |
| 12:10.21 | threat | bengrubb, find out what SSH'es dependancies are, and do not uninstall them :) |
| 12:10.30 | bengrubb | oh goodie... |
| 12:10.39 | threat | bengrubb, the easiest way to do it is to use aptitude |
| 12:10.49 | bengrubb | ok tell me how |
| 12:10.50 | threat | Gnea, do you have gold as well? |
| 12:10.53 | Gnea | threat: no. |
| 12:10.53 | bengrubb | (me noob) |
| 12:10.54 | abrotman | bengrubb: if you use deborphan .. you can type it all out yourself after looking at lists |
| 12:11.04 | bengrubb | yes i apted deporppahn |
| 12:11.09 | bengrubb | deborphan* |
| 12:11.41 | Gnea | !ops threat is trolling with racism, derogatory comments made mostly toward jews and idiocy that plumments into the off-topic range |
| 12:11.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: threat is trolling with racism, derogatory comments made mostly toward jews and idiocy that plumments into the off-topic range |
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| 12:11.57 | threat | Gnea, :/ |
| 12:11.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=threat@*.static.tpgi.com.au] by azeem |
| 12:11.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:12.07 | Gnea | !beer azeem |
| 12:12.12 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 12:12.19 | abrotman | dpkg: you stink |
| 12:12.23 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:12.24 | azeem | threat: if you want to continue to participate in this channel, you should seriously check your attitude |
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| 12:12.30 | bengrubb | i did deborphan -d |
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| 12:12.45 | beer | I am installing som drivers and I therefor need to now where the "top level directory for x tree". But I dont know where it is |
| 12:12.45 | abrotman | bengrubb: if you do deborphan alone . it will show libraries first |
| 12:12.46 | azeem | Gnea, abrotman: sorry I am saw him trolling a while ago and went on to read backlog, but then got distracted |
| 12:13.02 | bengrubb | debian:~# deborphan |
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| 12:13.03 | bengrubb | libpcap0.7 |
| 12:13.03 | abrotman | azeem: it's ok ... i'd still give you a pony :) |
| 12:13.03 | beer | can someone tell my where it is on a debian-system? |
| 12:13.15 | Gnea | azeem: no problem, i'm trying to help this guy out and he was distracting |
| 12:14.05 | bengrubb | abrotman: I type deporphan and it shows libpcap0.7 |
| 12:14.16 | abrotman | bengrubb: so nothing depends on that |
| 12:14.21 | beer | how to I find the root dir for the x tree? |
| 12:14.33 | abrotman | bengrubb: if you do deborphan -a .. it will show more .. but you have to be careful .. it lies sometimes |
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| 12:15.00 | kane_ | anyone know how to make lynx exit with an error code on a non 200 OK request? |
| 12:15.05 | bengrubb | ok ill do a pastebin for ya |
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| 12:15.34 | bengrubb | abortman: http://pastebin.com/688490 |
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| 12:16.16 | abrotman | bengrubb: there's not much there at all |
| 12:16.48 | bengrubb | but when i do that thing Gnea says there is heaps all my vhcs stuff i want to get rid of |
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| 12:17.00 | abrotman | vhcs? |
| 12:17.04 | teledyn | kane_: why not embed wget or soemthing in a script |
| 12:17.05 | bengrubb | a package |
| 12:17.14 | abrotman | bengrubb: maybe something depends on them |
| 12:17.16 | Gnea | bengrubb: is the system local to you? |
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| 12:17.19 | bengrubb | no |
| 12:17.22 | bengrubb | thats the problem |
| 12:17.26 | Gnea | ok |
| 12:17.27 | bengrubb | i need to do it remotely |
| 12:17.38 | abrotman | dpkg -P vhcs* ? |
| 12:17.39 | Gnea | bengrubb: do you have a local system to test this with? |
| 12:17.46 | bengrubb | yes |
| 12:17.52 | Gnea | awesome |
| 12:17.55 | bengrubb | heh |
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| 12:18.11 | kane_ | teledyn: this is sadly a situation where i must support lynx :( --error_file=foo puts the status messages in a file, but it's a bit of hoop-jumping to get to that |
| 12:18.23 | abrotman | see .. this is why Gnea uses windows .. he can't test his bizarre one-liners! |
| 12:18.34 | bengrubb | command not found |
| 12:18.37 | kane_ | teledyn: i accept the answer 'it can not be done', but if someone knows how, that'd be great :) docs are remarkably quiet about it :( |
| 12:18.46 | abrotman | bengrubb: what command? |
| 12:18.47 | Gnea | my suggestion is this: make sure you have the ssh .debs and requirements .debs located on said system - go ahead and remove everything, and at the end, use apt-get install openssh-server |
| 12:19.12 | dimir | wow! What a small ban list. :-D |
| 12:19.29 | Gnea | abrotman: shut up :P my systems are very well balanced to use something as archaic as this ;) |
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| 12:19.42 | abrotman | Gnea: hehe |
| 12:19.42 | GeeSe | hi |
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| 12:19.45 | Gnea | :) |
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| 12:19.56 | abrotman | dimir: they occasionally clean it |
| 12:20.00 | teledyn | kane_: hmm don't know then |
| 12:20.16 | dimir | abrotman: I can see that, I mean, occasionally. :-P |
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| 12:20.25 | Kournikoza | how can i stop people to execute remote commands ? because if i give /bin/false to a shell user, he always can execute remote commands through ssh |
| 12:20.26 | bengrubb | ok.. |
| 12:20.30 | abrotman | dimir: i'm not sure the last time don did it .. oh well |
| 12:20.44 | Gnea | Kournikoza: deluser |
| 12:20.48 | bengrubb | Gnea: your plan = risk |
| 12:20.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:20.58 | GeeSe | one question, in dist-upgrade to sid i install x-window-system and error ocurred... error out 10 on xserver-xorg , some ideas? |
| 12:20.59 | dimir | abrotman: not that I complain, as soon as I ain't on the list. :-D |
| 12:21.09 | Gnea | bengrubb: that's why i suggest testing it locally on a test system |
| 12:21.14 | bengrubb | ok |
| 12:21.23 | bengrubb | i see smart cookie |
| 12:21.25 | Gnea | yes, it is extremely risky |
| 12:21.45 | abrotman | GeeSe: how about an actual error ? |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | anyone have a canon 10D ? |
| 12:22.34 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 12:22.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:22.42 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:22.56 | Gnea | kodak > canon |
| 12:22.57 | Gnea | ;) |
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| 12:23.20 | GeeSe | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg .... |
| 12:23.26 | abrotman | Gnea: it's a DSLR .. see above comment about my brother and a battery |
| 12:23.28 | GeeSe | subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 12:23.37 | RichiH | Gnea: i absolutely despise the menus of the kodaks |
| 12:23.40 | abrotman | !nobeer RichiH |
| 12:23.46 | RichiH | but then, that is personal opinion |
| 12:23.56 | bengrubb | heh funny |
| 12:24.05 | bengrubb | i got this question: Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]? |
| 12:24.19 | GeeSe | bug for xserver-xorg on sid? |
| 12:24.22 | Gnea | RichiH: the quality gain from kodaks is in the high reliability range, particularly with debian |
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| 12:24.31 | davis_ | hello |
| 12:24.36 | beardy_ | bengrubb: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:24.48 | bengrubb | uninstall every package except ssh |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | Gnea: this is a DSLR .. not a camera you got from walmart |
| 12:25.02 | abrotman | bengrubb: i think gnea's script is broken |
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| 12:25.16 | RichiH | Gnea: gphoto2? |
| 12:25.23 | Gnea | RichiH: nod |
| 12:25.23 | RichiH | that is all the reliabilty i need |
| 12:25.33 | RichiH | and that has worked with canon for ages |
| 12:25.35 | bengrubb | yes its going spastic.. |
| 12:25.39 | beardy_ | bengrubb: If you really mean that (which I doubt) then uninstall the kernel package aswell, since that is covered in "every package except ssh". |
| 12:25.40 | Gnea | it even works with gimp |
| 12:25.51 | RichiH | might be the fact that canon designed the underlying protocol |
| 12:25.53 | RichiH | ;) |
| 12:25.56 | abrotman | no .. come on guys .. bengrubb isn't going to have a working system |
| 12:26.01 | bengrubb | ok now.... i did Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]? |
| 12:26.03 | bengrubb | oops |
| 12:26.08 | bengrubb | i did the script |
| 12:26.18 | bengrubb | how shall i check if it worked.. |
| 12:26.21 | bengrubb | ssh is still on |
| 12:26.28 | abrotman | try to ssh in again |
| 12:26.32 | Gnea | RichiH: as for the menus, i know what you mean - i'd prefer if there was a way to create macros to do one-touch transfer from color to b&w, things like that |
| 12:26.34 | RichiH | with ANOTHER shell |
| 12:26.39 | RichiH | do not close the one you have |
| 12:26.49 | bengrubb | yay it worked |
| 12:26.50 | bengrubb | no ssh |
| 12:26.56 | abrotman | eh? |
| 12:26.56 | RichiH | hmm |
| 12:26.57 | Gnea | wow. |
| 12:26.59 | RichiH | gtg, bbl |
| 12:27.07 | bengrubb | so ssh worked whilst still in it |
| 12:27.25 | bengrubb | but when trying to get back to it no workies is this like a guiness world record |
| 12:27.32 | bengrubb | lol |
| 12:27.40 | abrotman | eh? |
| 12:27.47 | Gnea | right, it's not going to kill any processes that have open network sockets controlling a terminal :) |
| 12:27.49 | abrotman | so you can't get a new ssh login ? |
| 12:27.56 | bengrubb | nope |
| 12:28.07 | davis_ | i am trying to use abcde to rip an audio cd into mp3 files. I have done this before using debian and didn't have any problem. On this new install, abcde -o mp3 complains that it is missing "lame". I installed glame and toolame but neither would satisfy this problem. I then edited /etc/abcde.conf so that MP3ENCODER = toolame and then when I started abced it would at least try to rip the cd. ie. abcde no longer complained that it could not find lame anym |
| 12:28.14 | azeem | bengrubb: maybe because you removed something important? |
| 12:28.17 | beardy_ | eh, no, that is not a record.. |
| 12:28.19 | Gnea | bengrubb: now, apt-get install openssh-server |
| 12:28.29 | bengrubb | apt-get install ssh* |
| 12:28.43 | bengrubb | lol it deleted my sources |
| 12:28.47 | beardy_ | !lol |
| 12:28.47 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:28.49 | Gnea | it WHAT?! |
| 12:29.03 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 12:29.10 | abrotman | Gnea: good job! |
| 12:29.15 | bengrubb | no AOL user again.. |
| 12:29.19 | bengrubb | o hate AOL |
| 12:29.29 | Gnea | bengrubb: now, this is on the test box and not the real one, right? |
| 12:29.31 | azeem | bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 12:29.36 | abrotman | !tell davis_ about lame |
| 12:29.39 | azeem | eh, comprehensible, or something |
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| 12:29.50 | bengrubb | yes me english |
| 12:30.00 | bengrubb | yes you very english |
| 12:30.07 | azeem | bengrubb: are you trolling? |
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| 12:30.14 | beardy_ | Seems like it. |
| 12:30.25 | bengrubb | ben doesnt know what trolling is |
| 12:30.31 | abrotman | !qotd166 is <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 12:30.31 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 12:30.32 | Gnea | azeem: i think some of his marbles fell into a drainage ditch |
| 12:30.35 | aarchie | I'm back after securing a copy of Knoppix. Now I can see all my data. And I chroot to "/mnt/hda7", do a "grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/hda", and... it says "The file //boot/grub/satge1 not read correctly."! Any ideas? |
| 12:30.45 | davis_ | abrotman: thanks but I have glame installed. I think my problem is with configuring abcde to work with glame instead of lame. |
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| 12:30.52 | redmonkey | anybody knows a good picture grabber program for the usenet? |
| 12:30.55 | azeem | bengrubb: we're busy enough helping people with *real* problems, so if you're just here to annoy us, we will silence you |
| 12:31.18 | bengrubb | no im not trying to annoy you |
| 12:31.22 | bengrubb | sorry if i was |
| 12:31.35 | Gnea | aarchie: is /boot mounted separately? |
| 12:31.36 | teledyn | redmonkey: pan |
| 12:31.40 | azeem | bengrubb: well, then, please explain your problem and what you are trying to do |
| 12:31.41 | abrotman | davis_: hrm .. i've been using jack .. but i think i also grabbed lame from marillat |
| 12:31.43 | bengrubb | my problem is unninstalling every package except ssh |
| 12:31.52 | redmonkey | teledyn, thanks! |
| 12:31.56 | aarchie | Gnea: No. It is on my root partition. |
| 12:31.58 | davis_ | abrotman: ahh. |
| 12:32.00 | azeem | what is glame? |
| 12:32.02 | beardy_ | bengrubb: Why are you doing that? |
| 12:32.05 | Gnea | bengrubb: as i asked, did you do this on the test system or the real one? |
| 12:32.07 | abrotman | !info glame sarge |
| 12:32.08 | davis_ | abrotman: ahh. |
| 12:32.11 | dpkg | glame: (versatile audio processor), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.0.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 799 kB, Installed size: 2124 kB |
| 12:32.15 | bengrubb | im doing it on the test one |
| 12:32.18 | bengrubb | seems to be working |
| 12:32.21 | davis_ | azeem: it . there you go. |
| 12:32.22 | azeem | bengrubb: why are you doing it? |
| 12:32.25 | aarchie | And the file exists at 512 bytes. |
| 12:32.33 | bengrubb | to start a fresh system |
| 12:32.34 | FabParma | i used setterm to keep always on my monitor, but after few mins it switch off. What i have to do? |
| 12:32.36 | abrotman | glame afaict .. has nothing to do with mp3 encoding |
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| 12:32.46 | azeem | bengrubb: if you want to start a fresh system, reinstall |
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| 12:32.48 | Gnea | azeem: he wants to fix a system that he borked without reinstalling |
| 12:32.50 | abrotman | though .. the description sucks |
| 12:32.59 | bengrubb | as this stupid package's uninstall script doesnt work properly |
| 12:33.03 | Gnea | azeem: the kind of system that's not local |
| 12:33.07 | bengrubb | yes but the server is elseware |
| 12:33.25 | davis_ | abrotman: my concern is that apt-get insall abcde does not seem to be installing all the othr associated packages. |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | davis_: afaik .. there is not a single mp3 encoder in debian |
| 12:33.50 | azeem | bengrubb: well, then use aptitude or dselect to remove every non-essential package except ssh |
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| 12:33.55 | beardy_ | aarchie: If the dir boot is on the partition that you have mounted on /mnt/hda7, then your --rot-directory should probably be "--root-directory=/mnt/hda7" |
| 12:33.55 | davis_ | abrotman: not only did it not install lame, it did not install idv3 either. |
| 12:34.03 | azeem | bengrubb: but really, don't expect your system to boot properly afterwards |
| 12:34.17 | abrotman | davis_: i just said .. lame isn't in debian .. you have ot use that thing that dpkg told you |
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| 12:34.40 | k31th | Gnea: got ardour running |
| 12:34.42 | Gnea | ok, bedtime |
| 12:34.49 | k31th | just use jack cmd line in the end tbh |
| 12:34.50 | Gnea | k31th: rock on |
| 12:34.57 | k31th | Gnea: doesnt support mp3s? |
| 12:35.01 | davis_ | toolame dpkg info says its an mp3 encoder. |
| 12:35.09 | k31th | i cant add an mp3 as a track says its not an audio file :S |
| 12:35.09 | Gnea | k31th: not sure... i know it does wavs |
| 12:35.12 | beardy_ | bengrubb: That script os probably not official, so the right to whine here is nonexistent. Where does that script come from? |
| 12:35.16 | beardy_ | is |
| 12:35.25 | Angels2 | just a question (before installing debian sarge on my fileserver) does debian sarge support lvm / evms and dm_crypt? |
| 12:35.26 | davis_ | abrotman: ok maybe I had use the marzillion stuff. whatever its called. I'll try that. thanks. |
| 12:35.31 | azeem | davis_: layer 2 only |
| 12:35.34 | Gnea | k31th: you should read the tutorials/docs for it, it's a bit tricky... i gotta go, later |
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| 12:35.42 | azeem | Package: toolame |
| 12:35.45 | abrotman | davis_: i'm looking .. but as i said .. i don't use abcde .. |
| 12:35.46 | azeem | Description: MPEG-1 layer 2 audio encoder |
| 12:35.49 | k31th | laterz |
| 12:35.49 | k31th | thansk |
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| 12:36.10 | abrotman | davis_: yeah .. toolame doesn't do mp3 |
| 12:36.15 | davis_ | azeem: ahh. its an encoder but not an mp3 encoder. |
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| 12:36.23 | azeem | right, it's an mp2 encoder |
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| 12:36.30 | azeem | which is pretty useless these days, of course |
| 12:36.30 | bengrubb | azeem: "bengrubb: well, then use aptitude or dselect to remove every non-essential package except ssh" so i shall type aptitude |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | which .. indeed .. makes it toolame :) |
| 12:36.31 | davis_ | ok. thanks. 8-) |
| 12:36.39 | davis_ | lol |
| 12:36.42 | robert83a1 | hello, what kernel version is with debian sarge by default ? 2.6.5 ? |
| 12:36.46 | robert83a1 | on the cd |
| 12:36.58 | abrotman | robert83a1: 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 .. depends which you choose |
| 12:37.01 | bengrubb | depends when you downloaded |
| 12:37.04 | bengrubb | it |
| 12:37.08 | robert83a1 | thanx |
| 12:37.10 | beardy_ | bengrubb: No. |
| 12:37.15 | robert83a1 | no? |
| 12:37.20 | bengrubb | or where you downloaded it from |
| 12:37.24 | bengrubb | sorry |
| 12:37.25 | beardy_ | bengrubb: No. |
| 12:37.26 | robert83a1 | I was looking for some distro with 2.6.5 kernel |
| 12:37.29 | bengrubb | ffs |
| 12:37.30 | azeem | bengrubb: what are you talking about? |
| 12:37.38 | robert83a1 | if there is such , if I'm lucky :) |
| 12:37.40 | bengrubb | ohhh |
| 12:37.43 | azeem | bengrubb: "debian sarge" is pretty well defined |
| 12:37.44 | bengrubb | depend what you type |
| 12:37.53 | bengrubb | i type linux26 |
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| 12:38.04 | beardy_ | There you go. |
| 12:38.09 | bengrubb | heh |
| 12:38.10 | azeem | robert83a1: why do you need 2.6.5 exactly? |
| 12:38.28 | robert83a1 | www.bandwidtharbitrator.com |
| 12:38.31 | bengrubb | took me awhile... |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | i bet it has to do with some binary driver :) |
| 12:38.41 | robert83a1 | azeem : I tried like for 3-4 days to build it on centos 2.6.9 kernel |
| 12:38.56 | robert83a1 | then on latest kernel, always getting lotsas errors, with the applications pathced /net/bridge stuff |
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| 12:39.07 | azeem | robert83a1: I see |
| 12:39.13 | robert83a1 | so I was thinking I would try it with a distro that has almost a vanila kernel by default |
| 12:39.47 | beardy_ | aarchie: Well, did it work or not? |
| 12:39.48 | abrotman | sounds like a debian problem for sure |
| 12:39.49 | bengrubb | so there is such a thing as apt-remove ? |
| 12:39.49 | azeem | bengrubb: yes, apt-get remove |
| 12:39.49 | robert83a1 | I heard that red hat uses lot'sa patches on it's kernel, so maybe that is my problem |
| 12:40.05 | abrotman | robert83a1: pretty much every distro patches the kernel they release |
| 12:40.09 | bengrubb | yay |
| 12:40.11 | beardy_ | bengrubb: Read man apt-get, and/or it's other documentation. |
| 12:40.19 | aarchie | beardy_: Sorry. It did kinda work. I exited my chroot, then it used the Knoppix version of the script & did install a new Grub. so a step forward! |
| 12:40.25 | bengrubb | yer i read the manual thats what i was suggesting out of it |
| 12:40.28 | azeem | bengrubb: how did you remove pacakges up till now? |
| 12:40.31 | robert83a1 | but not to the same level, and there might just be a difference enough for this software to work on some other distro |
| 12:40.32 | bengrubb | it works! |
| 12:40.41 | robert83a1 | without me having to learn how to code in c :) |
| 12:40.44 | abrotman | azeem: /lastlog Gnea | grep for |
| 12:40.49 | bengrubb | apt-get remove packagehere |
| 12:40.55 | azeem | euh |
| 12:40.59 | azeem | ok |
| 12:41.14 | aarchie | beardy_: On the reboot it now does give me a meanu (which it didn't this morning!) but when I choose linux it gives me the same Error 15. |
| 12:41.23 | abrotman | bengrubb: i thought you used that big one-liner from Gnea ? |
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| 12:41.40 | bengrubb | on my locaL |
| 12:41.42 | robert83a1 | question : for the minimal install I only need cd1 with debian sarge i386 as well right? |
| 12:41.47 | beardy_ | aarchie: Did it give any error message when you installed it, the grub? |
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| 12:41.49 | robert83a1 | rest will be done with apt-get |
| 12:41.50 | bengrubb | not on the real one |
| 12:42.07 | azeem | robert83a1: netinst will suffice |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | !d-i robert83a1 |
| 12:42.17 | dpkg | robert83a1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:42.37 | robert83a1 | I'mthere :) |
| 12:42.39 | aarchie | beardy_: No, it seemed happy. There was some chatter about harmless errors appearing if I was using XFS. But I'm not and they didn't. |
| 12:42.54 | abrotman | bengrubb: so you want to remove the vhcs* packages? |
| 12:43.18 | beardy_ | aarchie: Ok.. but you said you used the knoppix grub, not that it should matter, byt why couldn't you use the one on your chroot? |
| 12:43.25 | beardy_ | but |
| 12:43.36 | davis_ | ok. lame/abcde is owrking now. Thanks abrotman and azeem. |
| 12:43.41 | bengrubb | yes but i think i know what to do i have a whole list of what i installed so if i do apt-get remove package package package etc |
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| 12:43.46 | abrotman | davis_: enjoy |
| 12:43.46 | FabParma | how to set always on the monitor using gnome? |
| 12:44.07 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 12:44.22 | beardy_ | FabParma: DO you want to use Gnome as your defaut window manager / desktop environment? |
| 12:44.23 | bengrubb | i'll show u |
| 12:44.27 | aarchie | beardy_: Because I was advised not to use "--root-directory=/" and to use "--root-directory=/mnt/hda7", which wouldn't work within a chroot of /mnt/hda7. |
| 12:44.38 | FabParma | beardy_: thakx |
| 12:44.39 | noid | i think he wants to disable the screensaver |
| 12:44.44 | bengrubb | http://pastebin.com/688513 |
| 12:45.08 | FabParma | noid, i have already disadled the screensaver |
| 12:45.12 | noid | ah ok |
| 12:45.29 | abrotman | bengrubb: you can't remove some of those |
| 12:45.33 | abrotman | or rather .. shouldn't |
| 12:45.38 | davis_ | Here is another question. I am having problems with sound on this new install. I installed the alsa tools, utils and players. I also installed udev. I play audio using alsaplayer but not with splay. It complains about /dev/mixer not being available. Should I hard code a /dev/mixer via mknod or should I make some config to udev so it will create this entry for me?.... Or does my problem lay with alsa? |
| 12:45.44 | FabParma | noid, but the monitor after 10 mins switch off |
| 12:46.00 | noid | FabParma: ah, you want to disable power saving, then |
| 12:46.09 | abrotman | davis_: i think you need the OSS compatibility stuffs |
| 12:46.15 | FabParma | noid: yes |
| 12:46.17 | cahoot | davis: got oss-emulation like snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 12:46.19 | trainstation | FabParma, disable DPMS option in xorg.conf |
| 12:46.20 | abrotman | bengrubb: really .. don't use that command |
| 12:46.24 | davis_ | abrotman: in kernel or a debian package? |
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| 12:46.38 | abrotman | it's a module |
| 12:46.49 | abrotman | it's like .. snd_pcm_oss or something |
| 12:46.50 | FabParma | trainstation: a simple way? |
| 12:47.08 | abrotman | or rather .. snd_mixer_oss |
| 12:47.29 | davis_ | cahoot: is snd-pcm-oss and snd_mixer_oss kernel modules or packages? |
| 12:47.38 | abrotman | modules |
| 12:47.43 | trainstation | FabParma, with your favourite $EDITOR, open /etc/X11/xorg.conf, find "option DPMS "true" line, and comment it |
| 12:47.43 | aarchie | beardy_: when I used the first command it came back with "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." Any idea what that's about? |
| 12:47.43 | abrotman | use modconf |
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| 12:47.54 | aarchie | beardy_: it does seem to exist. |
| 12:48.05 | FabParma | trainstation: thankx |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | or Option "DPMS" "Off" |
| 12:48.19 | FabParma | trainstation: xorg.conf, is in etc? |
| 12:48.20 | trainstation | or "false" |
| 12:48.28 | trainstation | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:48.42 | davis_ | cahoot: if they are modules, then i dont have them loaded. I did check my kernel config and those capabilities are checked with M option. |
| 12:48.54 | oskie | what's a good program to burn files on DVDs in Debian? simple gui, should be able to start mkisofs and cdrecord properly (burn on fly) |
| 12:49.07 | FabParma | trainstation: ok, i do now, thanx again |
| 12:49.21 | noid | oskie: k3b is fine |
| 12:49.30 | davis_ | cahoot: ie. lsmod does not list snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss, but kernel config has then enabled. |
| 12:49.43 | trainstation | FabParma, after you edit xorg.conf, restart X |
| 12:49.56 | cahoot | davis: run modconf as suggested |
| 12:50.15 | davis_ | cahoot: ok. |
| 12:50.17 | FabParma | trainstation: the file is empty... |
| 12:50.42 | beardy_ | aarchie: Yes, I may have been wrong about that. (sorry about the delay) When you use the brub on the chroot, the chroot is the root, so the --root-directory parameter should not be necessary, try to run it again, the same as you did first time, mount the partition and chroot to it. |
| 12:50.55 | beardy_ | s/brub/grub/ |
| 12:51.16 | davis_ | cool. That works. thanks. |
| 12:51.42 | abrotman | Gnea: buy me the star wars transformer darth vader! |
| 12:51.45 | spikeb | yay a new bootloader! brub |
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| 12:51.59 | trainstation | FabParma, either you are using XFree86, then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/F86Config |
| 12:52.04 | aarchie | beardy_: No problem. Ran it again without that parameter but with the same error about reading stage1! |
| 12:52.15 | trainstation | or you don't have permissions to edit |
| 12:52.34 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 12:52.35 | dpkg | dpms is, like, know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 12:54.14 | aarchie | beardy_: it also complains about permission being denied to /dev/null. I guess this is a chroot thing that I shouldn't worry about? |
| 12:54.21 | netman1 | Hi All. Somebody with a good tip on how to merge the lines of two files from the shell such as that file1:line1 + file2:line2 gets out as file3:line1+line1 ? |
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| 12:55.24 | FabParma | trainstation: i have oli this line : Option "DPMS" |
| 12:55.25 | abrotman | #bash ? |
| 12:55.33 | abrotman | FabParma: add "Off" to the end of tha tline |
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| 12:56.28 | FabParma | abrotman: "DPMS""Off" like this |
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| 12:56.46 | azeem | threat: watch it |
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| 12:56.50 | abrotman | put a space in there between the "DPMS" "Off" |
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| 12:56.56 | trainstation | FabParma, let the be space between dpms and off |
| 12:57.06 | FabParma | trainstation: ok |
| 12:57.08 | trainstation | abrotman ;-) |
| 12:57.40 | threat | azeem, hi |
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| 12:57.45 | threat | azeem, what up ? |
| 12:57.48 | beardy_ | aarchie: Yes, that is probably because it is a chroot, I don't think it's something to worry about, but that depends what it want to use it for. I can't say I'm an expert on grub, I have used lilo longer. The grub on the knoppix-system should work, but perhaps it is a bit older, and something in the configuration has changed between that one and the one on your system.. /msg dpkg grub floppy, perhaps that can help you.. |
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| 12:58.05 | azeem | 14:06 < azeem> threat: if you want to continue to participate in this channel, you should seriously check your attitude |
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| 12:58.12 | threat | azeem, how are you this fine evening? |
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| 12:58.17 | threat | azeem, ok |
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| 12:58.32 | threat | azeem, I stopped that about 5 minutes before I was banned |
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| 12:58.44 | basti_ | maybe anyone here can help me. firefox goes like symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: undefined symbol: g_intern_static_string and i don't have any clue what's wrong. the symbol is in libglib. |
| 12:58.46 | beardy_ | aarchie: "/msg dpkg grub floppy image" it was |
| 12:59.09 | abrotman | beardy_: we should make that easier to remember :) |
| 12:59.29 | zbowling | which is the best imapd? I'm running cyrus right now |
| 12:59.35 | beardy_ | abrotman: Yeah. You or me? |
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| 12:59.48 | abrotman | beardy_: dunno .. but i made that factoid .. and i can never remember it :) |
| 13:00.13 | basti_ | i have a local libglib. |
| 13:00.14 | bengrubb | hello |
| 13:00.16 | FabParma | trainstation: thank you for your time. now i try to restart X see you later |
| 13:00.30 | trainstation | FabParma, good luck ;-) |
| 13:00.33 | beardy_ | !grub floppy |
| 13:00.33 | dpkg | grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 13:00.34 | bengrubb | debian:~# man apt-get |
| 13:00.34 | bengrubb | -bash: /usr/bin/man: No such file or directory |
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| 13:00.45 | abrotman | bengrubb: did you remove man ? |
| 13:00.54 | beardy_ | abrotman: There, I think I'll remember that one more easily :) |
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| 13:01.08 | bengrubb | hehe i thikso.. |
| 13:01.11 | bengrubb | think* |
| 13:01.22 | abrotman | dpkg: no grub floppy is <reply>see grub floppy image |
| 13:01.22 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 13:01.28 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 13:01.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
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| 13:02.16 | brosioz | to redirect the ssh traffic to an host on my lan this rules is correct ? |
| 13:02.17 | davis_ | Hmm. Ok here is another question which I thought using modconf (the solution to last problem) would solve. I have the usb mass storate and scsi generic options configured as modules in my kernel, I have also used modconf to install them. But when I install my usb thumbdrive, I can not access it. fdisk /dev/sda comes up empty. Any advice? |
| 13:02.36 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.37 | efaistos | what kind of audio mixer do you use with gnome ? |
| 13:02.38 | brosioz | ? |
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| 13:02.56 | abrotman | davis_: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 13:03.16 | davis_ | abrotman: nothing. |
| 13:03.22 | trainstation | brosioz, you should use DNAT in nat table |
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| 13:03.43 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 13:03.44 | dpkg | methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 13:04.14 | brosioz | trainstation: like this |
| 13:04.14 | trainstation | something like this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $EXT_IF -p tcp --dport 60022 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.142:22 |
| 13:04.21 | davis_ | abrotman: its like it does not recognize it being seen plugged in. /var/log/messages and dmesg dont show anything when I plug and unplug the thumbdrive. |
| 13:04.25 | locus | do numbers take precedence over letters in debian package versions? I'm asking because when I try to install my custom .deb it always complains about downgrading (compared to the same package from sarge) |
| 13:04.28 | brosioz | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 10.0.0.150 --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to 172.16.1.128:80 |
| 13:04.41 | azeem | locus: better tell us the two versions |
| 13:04.45 | beardy_ | !grub floppy |
| 13:04.45 | dpkg | Ask me about <grub floppy image>. |
| 13:04.46 | trainstation | and then, you should allow the packets in FORWARD chain in filter table |
| 13:04.54 | abrotman | beardy_: you broke it! |
| 13:05.06 | azeem | locus: also, dpkg has a --compare-versions option or so |
| 13:05.08 | trainstation | iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXT_IF -o $INT_IF -d 192.168.1.142 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:05.09 | beardy_ | abrotman: No, I fixed it. |
| 13:05.12 | abrotman | beardy_: you broke it! |
| 13:05.17 | abrotman | beardy_: how is that a fix? |
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| 13:06.08 | locus | azeem, the official version is 2.8.4sarge1 and my custom package is 2.8.4jms.2 ... |
| 13:06.13 | abrotman | davis_: does it even see a usb device being plugged in ? |
| 13:06.25 | azeem | locus: well, s > j |
| 13:06.32 | bengrubb | mines broken |
| 13:06.43 | locus | azeem, thats what I was asking, thx :) |
| 13:06.47 | azeem | locus: you should name it 2.8.4sarge1+jms.2 or something |
| 13:06.51 | bengrubb | it doesnt even do man now... |
| 13:06.56 | locus | azeem, good idea |
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| 13:07.05 | abrotman | bengrubb: so install man |
| 13:07.19 | bengrubb | yes and |
| 13:07.19 | bengrubb | No manual entry for chmod |
| 13:07.19 | bengrubb | See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 13:07.23 | abrotman | bengrubb: and i did tell you not to run that command |
| 13:07.24 | davis_ | it doesn't even see a usb device plugged in. ie. when i plug in the device, the kernel does not print a message about an insertion event like it used to on my previous install. Sorry for not being clear. |
| 13:07.25 | oskie | is it possible to burn DVDs on the fly? |
| 13:07.34 | bengrubb | oh sorry i didnt see it dam |
| 13:07.37 | efaistos | what kind of audio mixer do you use with gnome ? |
| 13:07.38 | abrotman | bengrubb: is chmod installed? |
| 13:07.47 | beardy_ | abrotman: ah, sorry, I didn't know that it worked like that, as a link, repaired my damage.. |
| 13:07.59 | bengrubb | debian:~# apt-get install chmod |
| 13:07.59 | bengrubb | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:07.59 | bengrubb | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:07.59 | bengrubb | E: Couldn't find package chmod |
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| 13:08.10 | trainstation | brosioz, my nickname is not registered, so no private |
| 13:08.16 | davis_ | i checked. scsi disk support is installed in kernel but usb_mass_storage is configured as kernel. |
| 13:08.20 | POVaddct | davis_: modprobe uhci-hcd ; modprobe ohci-hcd ; modprobe ehci-hcd |
| 13:08.25 | abrotman | beardy_: the only difference is that you'll have to change the grub floppy image factoid .. but it's better than the other way .. IMO anyways |
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| 13:08.35 | bengrubb | soorry |
| 13:08.36 | abrotman | !usbstorage |
| 13:08.36 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 13:08.45 | launch | hi |
| 13:08.49 | davis_ | ahh. ok. that makes sense. let me check if the host controller is installed. |
| 13:08.54 | beardy_ | abrotman: Of course it's better, I just didn't know about it. |
| 13:08.55 | launch | its saturday :):):) |
| 13:09.02 | abrotman | beardy_: ah .. ok |
| 13:09.14 | AngelGabriel | Are there any ghost experts on the channel today? It's not OT - i promise! |
| 13:09.40 | davis_ | POVaddct: lol. They are not configured at all in kernel. silly rabbit. Thanks. |
| 13:09.48 | aarchie | beardy_: Thanks for all your help. I guess I'll just have to reinstall. It's just a bit annoying as I'd just got everything set up as I liked! No more ideas before I do? |
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| 13:09.57 | brosioz | trainstation: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 60022 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.142:60022 |
| 13:10.15 | brosioz | all the packets on ppp0 need to be redirect to 192.168.1.142 |
| 13:10.20 | brosioz | but doesn't work |
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| 13:10.21 | launch | is there a program that speak the text from xchat |
| 13:10.22 | trainstation | -t nat dont miss that |
| 13:10.30 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: is ghost in debian ? |
| 13:10.41 | trainstation | look at what I wrote you |
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| 13:10.45 | beardy_ | aarchie: You should not have to reinstall just because of that, ask your whole question again, and see if anyone else has something to say about it. |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | launch: you would wnat to hear 800+ people chatting ? |
| 13:11.08 | launch | abrotman well maybe no i will see ;p |
| 13:11.09 | davis_ | need to reboot |
| 13:11.13 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, no it isn't, BUT my debian firewall, is preventing ghost clients from communicationg across subnets |
| 13:11.14 | abrotman | brosioz: did you try #iptables ? |
| 13:11.25 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: hint .. it's a firewall |
| 13:11.46 | FabParma | abrotman: now i wait to check if our change work |
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| 13:11.50 | trainstation | ;-) |
| 13:11.58 | abrotman | FabParma: good plan |
| 13:12.01 | launch | abrotman do you know one program like tat |
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| 13:12.19 | AngelGabriel | I only asked because I saw some IPtables questions |
| 13:12.21 | abrotman | !info festival sarge |
| 13:12.23 | dpkg | festival: (general multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 879 kB, Installed size: 2576 kB |
| 13:12.28 | abrotman | launch: ^^ |
| 13:12.34 | launch | thanks ! |
| 13:12.46 | abrotman | launch: i've never used it .. so .. good luck :) |
| 13:13.12 | launch | :P |
| 13:13.41 | launch | this program got the right name |
| 13:13.43 | beardy_ | Festival is nice, but I doubt you can use it with ease with xchat, but of course you can make it work, but not right away, I think. Perhaps there is some script for it though. |
| 13:13.45 | launch | festival |
| 13:13.45 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: you'd need to know what ports Ghost operates on to start with |
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| 13:13.55 | launch | with 800+ people |
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| 13:14.08 | abrotman | beardy_: i'd make you in to Alvin the Chipmunk |
| 13:14.14 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, 1345-7 TCP 1346-7 TCP - 7777 multicast |
| 13:14.19 | beardy_ | abrotman: heh |
| 13:14.31 | DonkeyHote | can anyone explain the lsmod listing? I'm trying to see if my NIC is using the correct driver (forcedeth) |
| 13:14.32 | launch | abrotman you are a developper |
| 13:14.34 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: uh .. yeah .. ask #iptables |
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| 13:14.39 | abrotman | launch: i am ? |
| 13:14.49 | launch | i forget the ? |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | launch: oh .. no .. |
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| 13:14.58 | abrotman | launch: why? |
| 13:15.04 | aarchie | My system has ceased to boot, with GRUB producing an error 15 (file not found) on boot. I'm not aware of having changed anything. I'm running a recently installed version of etch. Reinstalling GRUB using Knoppix's grub-install has got me a menu back (& therefore access to WinXP) but choosing linux still produces an error 15. Can anyone advise? |
| 13:15.23 | launch | dunno you know everything about linux, each time i come you answerd me :p |
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| 13:15.46 | dvs | he's just a know-it-all |
| 13:15.52 | abrotman | launch: i'm not sure if that means i'm here too much or you don't know anything :) |
| 13:16.22 | launch | no |
| 13:16.34 | launch | its because i have a project to recommend |
| 13:16.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:16.39 | launch | is there a place to post it |
| 13:16.57 | beardy_ | lunar: You mean for packaging? |
| 13:17.02 | beardy_ | bah |
| 13:17.11 | launch | beardy_ no |
| 13:17.13 | beardy_ | launch: ^^^ |
| 13:17.17 | launch | a project to create |
| 13:17.39 | jelly-ho | launch: so you have an idea? |
| 13:18.21 | abrotman | launch: you want someone to write software for you? |
| 13:18.21 | launch | jelly-ho yes but maybe this kind of program exist |
| 13:18.31 | launch | no i want someone write a program for everyone |
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| 13:18.45 | abrotman | well .. what's the 30 word descriptoin? |
| 13:18.48 | raf256 | launch: what program |
| 13:18.53 | raf256 | launch: and how much do you pay :P |
| 13:18.55 | abrotman | give us the "elevator pitch" :) |
| 13:19.04 | abrotman | raf256: and does it have to work? :) |
| 13:20.16 | beardy_ | launch: Yeah, sum it up in 20-30 words. |
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| 13:22.56 | launch | well i like the speaking-to-computer technology its the future its look profesionnal i was thinking about a program that you speak to it a word and it search the web but it increase the result with a kind of artificial inteligence , ie: i type mouse, the result will be only page about computer mouse, not a true mouse pet |
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| 13:23.04 | dvs | !tell DebianRoot about root |
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| 13:24.29 | DonkeyHote | can anyone explain the lsmod listing? I'm trying to see if my NIC is using the correct driver (forcedeth) |
| 13:24.59 | dvs | DonkeyHote: Huh? If the driver isn't right, the NIC wouldn't work |
| 13:25.04 | launch | DonkeyHote, use lsmod with grep |
| 13:25.16 | aarchie | My system has ceased to boot, with GRUB producing an error 15 (file not found) on boot. I'm not aware of having changed anything. I'm running a recently installed version of etch. Reinstalling GRUB using Knoppix's grub-install has got me a menu back (& therefore access to WinXP) but choosing linux still produces an error 15. Can anyone advise? |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: ethtool can tell you |
| 13:25.46 | launch | abrotman do you like my idea |
| 13:25.48 | abrotman | dvs: some work with more than one driver |
| 13:26.01 | dvs | oh |
| 13:26.03 | abrotman | launch: i don't know enough about text-to-speech to say if it would work |
| 13:26.10 | launch | ok |
| 13:26.12 | DonkeyHote | dvs: it doesn't, this is a different computer. |
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| 13:26.29 | abrotman | launch: you could try talking to the festival people .. but i'm not sure if they would be interested |
| 13:26.34 | DonkeyHote | abrotman: don't seem to have that on here. |
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| 13:26.53 | jelly-ho | aarchie: can you boot Linux by choosing the image by hand? |
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| 13:26.58 | dvs | DonkeyHote: Then try modprobe | grep forcedeth |
| 13:26.59 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: lsmod | grep eth ? |
| 13:27.03 | dvs | oops |
| 13:27.10 | dvs | DonkeyHote: Then try lsmod | grep forcedeth |
| 13:27.17 | aarchie | jelly-ho: No. Same error. |
| 13:27.22 | abrotman | dvs: did all the snow melt? |
| 13:27.22 | rpetre | hello, what's the current way of installing nvidia in etch? (nvidia-glx is missing, apparently) |
| 13:27.31 | dvs | abrotman: yup. |
| 13:27.37 | dvs | abrotman: even the yellow stuff |
| 13:27.55 | abrotman | dvs: sadly .. my nick highlight is yellow :) |
| 13:28.00 | DonkeyHote | dvs: its there, but some entries (like libata have a number followed by the corresponding number of "things") |
| 13:28.01 | jelly-ho | aarchie: (just trying to rule out stupid errors) and the file can be seen from grub? :-) |
| 13:28.19 | DonkeyHote | dvs: example: libata 50956 1 sata_nv |
| 13:28.21 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: what's the number? |
| 13:28.34 | abrotman | bah ..nm |
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| 13:28.46 | DonkeyHote | dvs: whereas forcedeth is "forcedeth 20228 0" |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: doesn't 'dmesg' help you ? |
| 13:28.58 | dvs | DonkeyHote: Oh? Do you know what the NIC on that computer is? |
| 13:29.02 | aarchie | jelly-ho: Always worth doing that! I'm far from an expert. How do I know if a file can be seen from grub? |
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| 13:29.24 | DonkeyHote | dvs: nvidia CK804 |
| 13:29.34 | dvs | huh? |
| 13:29.47 | DonkeyHote | dvs: googled it, that's the driver (its part of the nForce chipset) |
| 13:29.47 | dvs | DonkeyHote: lspci | grep Eth |
| 13:30.01 | abrotman | OMFG .. ONE MORE HOUR UNTIL THE POKEMON MOVIE! |
| 13:30.05 | abrotman | erm .. half hour :) |
| 13:30.12 | dvs | peekachu! |
| 13:30.13 | launch | there are a lot of pokemon movie |
| 13:30.15 | launch | 5? |
| 13:30.16 | aarchie | jelly-ho: all the mentioned files seem to be visible from Knoppix, if that helps. |
| 13:30.28 | asg | abrotman: you are a very sad individual ;) |
| 13:30.30 | abrotman | launch: no .. NEW MOVIE! |
| 13:30.32 | DonkeyHote | dvs: lspci is not present on that system. I ran through base install with "standard system" and its not there |
| 13:30.36 | jelly-ho | aarchie: go to the grub command line, choose your boot partition with "root (hdX,Y)" where X is disk number and Y is part. number, starting from 0. use TAB key to see what's available. |
| 13:30.38 | launch | loll |
| 13:30.48 | abrotman | asg: xiaolin showdown is on .. they keep advertising |
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| 13:31.24 | launch | somebody knows if the simpsons movie will be done with real people or cartoon |
| 13:31.34 | abrotman | check imdb? |
| 13:31.39 | launch | dho |
| 13:31.43 | asg | abrotman: they? |
| 13:31.49 | jelly-ho | aarchie: eg. if you have one IDE disk, and kernel is on hda2, you would do root(hd0,1) |
| 13:32.07 | abrotman | asg: the WB network .. saturday morning TV sucks .. either bass fishing or chuck norris |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | or cartoons |
| 13:32.29 | dvs | or Chuck Norris bass fishing? |
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| 13:32.36 | abrotman | that's just sick |
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| 13:32.51 | asg | abrotman: agreed, the fish just fly into Chuck's boat |
| 13:33.01 | beardy_ | launch: Well.. how should it know what you mean? The Do What I Mean Interface is individual, and quite hard to make adaptable, I would imagine.. Probably easier if you just typed what you wanted to look for "computer mouse pointing" in this case ;) |
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| 13:33.05 | abrotman | asg: JUDO CHOP .. DEAD BASS! |
| 13:33.16 | asg | abrotman: yeah baby |
| 13:33.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:33.47 | beardy_ | launch: But the speech control thing exists in various forms, and some are packaged, search for it. |
| 13:33.50 | launch | beardy_, you are right but it look so professional to speak to a computer |
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| 13:34.17 | jelly-ho | launch: it might be useful but it's also very complicated. |
| 13:34.17 | nvz | not really |
| 13:34.22 | launch | beardy_ maybe somebody make an easy library for C for text-to-speech |
| 13:34.28 | nvz | just looks geeky |
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| 13:34.44 | nvz | geeky != professional |
| 13:34.49 | beardy_ | launch: Heh, perhaps, but in some cases it only looks stupid, but it's probably a matter of opinion :). The web browser Opera has speech control, and it's quite cool, btw :) |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | launch: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.</HAL9000> |
| 13:34.59 | jelly-ho | launch: the pattern recognition techniques are not there yet. At least not in commercially available products. |
| 13:35.00 | launch | nvz yes i admit its for the geek look |
| 13:35.06 | launch | but its so nice to look like a matrix man |
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| 13:35.28 | dvs | matrix? more like Star Trek |
| 13:35.38 | jelly-ho | launch: or to ask the coffee maker for Tea. Earl Grey. Hot. |
| 13:35.50 | abrotman | jelly-ho: want a donut with that? |
| 13:36.06 | beardy_ | Well, in Star Trek they have strange ways of doing input, and yes, speach input.. |
| 13:36.17 | beardy_ | Strange GUI things.. |
| 13:36.23 | nvz | eww Windows Media Player is trying to sell me cds. being in windows makes me sick |
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| 13:37.04 | nvz | sad part about it is its trying to sell me music based on what I am listening to and its doing a horrible job at it |
| 13:37.19 | beardy_ | launch: apt-cache search speech, or, browse the Audio section of the packages, in aptitude. |
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| 13:37.54 | launch | yes i will try festival |
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| 13:38.16 | launch | i hope the computer voice will be like a robot |
| 13:38.17 | nvz | the focus model on here is hideous too. like a minimized windows media player snapping to restore on top every time I send a song to it |
| 13:38.30 | beardy_ | launch: festival is only text-to-speech though, AFAIK (haven't run any newer version than woody's) |
| 13:38.37 | nvz | if I told the damn thing to minimize it should stay there until I restore it myself |
| 13:38.42 | launch | beardy_ oh ok |
| 13:38.47 | dvs | I hope it will be like Bobcat GoldThwaight |
| 13:39.11 | beardy_ | launch: But search for a speech-to-text thing, and script them together :) |
| 13:39.14 | jelly-ho | abrotman: the initiative feature would not be available in 1.0. |
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| 13:39.50 | abrotman | jelly-ho: heh |
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| 13:41.06 | jelly-ho | nvz: or you could, like, not use media player. I installed vlc and it works. ;-) |
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| 13:41.44 | nvz | jelly-ho: its not my pc. or it wouldnt have windows on it in the first place. I only installed chatzilla cause its hidden within firefox which was already installed |
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| 13:42.20 | efaistos | I dont have neither /dev/dsp nor /dev/mixer but sound is working ... but gnome-volume-control cant find /dev/mixer ... |
| 13:42.31 | abrotman | snd_mixer_oss |
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| 13:43.33 | efaistos | abrotman: I have a directory snd ... |
| 13:43.34 | jelly-ho | efaistos: you have alsa. /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer are legacy devices. (gnome should know that anyway, but...) |
| 13:43.45 | efaistos | :) |
| 13:43.51 | efaistos | how to tell him ? |
| 13:44.01 | jelly-ho | buggered if I know |
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| 13:44.07 | abrotman | efaistos: that's a module |
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| 13:44.53 | efaistos | abrotman: i know ... I mean I only a have this directory but no mixer in it ... |
| 13:44.55 | aarchie | I think I'm just going to reinstall etch. Should I use beta 2 netinst image or is has enough gone into it since to justify going with the riskier daily builds? |
| 13:45.27 | abrotman | efaistos: modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
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| 13:45.30 | dvs | efaistos: it's a kernel module. As in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
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| 13:46.40 | efaistos | ah ok didnt get what you meant .. |
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| 13:47.01 | Bazy | !libapache2-mod-chroot |
| 13:47.01 | jelly-ho | aarchie: or you could use grub's command line to boot by hand, and then fix grub's configuration for later. |
| 13:47.16 | beardy_ | aarchie: Hmm, ok, but it should be fixable, but I understand you want it running again.. But if you read a bit about grub, you can try to boot it manually, or perhaps you have already tried it? |
| 13:47.34 | efaistos | abrotman: then should i restart something ? |
| 13:47.41 | FabParma | abrotman: does not work |
| 13:47.48 | abrotman | efaistos: is there now a /dev/mixer? |
| 13:47.52 | abrotman | FabParma: what doesn't? |
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| 13:48.11 | abrotman | FabParma: is it blanking the screen . or turning th emonitor off? |
| 13:48.16 | FabParma | how set the monitor always on using gnome? |
| 13:48.31 | efaistos | abrotman: yes |
| 13:48.33 | efaistos | thnks |
| 13:48.35 | aarchie | jelly-ho: I've tried reinstalling grub from a chroot into my linux system. Is this equivalent? |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | you set DPMS . which puts the monitor into sleep mode |
| 13:48.40 | bonez | How do you mean, FabParma |
| 13:48.42 | FabParma | abrotman: monitor off |
| 13:49.09 | aarchie | beardy_: I have been reading around. Particularly on the GRUB manual but had no success so far. |
| 13:49.13 | abrotman | FabParma: Option DPMS Off should take care of that .. check in your screensaver properties ? |
| 13:49.37 | FabParma | abrotman: screensaver is off |
| 13:49.49 | FabParma | abrotman: no problem |
| 13:50.06 | FabParma | ill do next time |
| 13:50.28 | FabParma | abrotman: its not very important |
| 13:50.36 | abrotman | it shuldn't be hard to do |
| 13:50.45 | FabParma | abrotman: thank you for you time |
| 13:50.58 | abrotman | FabParma: see if there are any power optoins |
| 13:51.09 | FabParma | abrotman: ok |
| 13:51.25 | aarchie | beardy_: I've had to reinstall grub before but never had this sort of hassle. Nothing I couldn't spot easily from a chroot from Knoppix. |
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| 13:51.54 | aarchie | beardy_: The files it complains about not being able to read all seem to be there. It seems to me this is something slightly corrupt. |
| 13:52.20 | aarchie | beardy: and I don't think I have the experience to replace a corrupt grub-related file. |
| 13:52.21 | beardy_ | aarchie: Grub has a shell(-like) function, where you enter the things that your menu.lst contains, manually, and then you can boot a kernel that isn't listed in the menu. If you press TAB, I think you'll get a list of all commands, but you'd probably have to know what to do, it'¨s a few steps to do. |
| 13:52.35 | beardy_ | aarchie: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Loading-an-operating-system-directly.html#Loading-an-operating-system-directly |
| 13:53.18 | beardy_ | aarchie: Anyway, before you reinstall, chroot again, and purge grub, and install it again. |
| 13:53.54 | aarchie | beardy_: Just using apt-get? |
| 13:54.03 | beardy_ | aarchie: Yes, or aptitude. |
| 13:54.30 | beardy_ | aarchie: I have to go now, but try that first. And read more about grub :). Good luck. |
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| 13:54.51 | aarchie | beardy_: worth a shot. I've quit my install.. Cheers for your help! |
| 13:55.02 | beardy_ | aarchie: You're welcome. |
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| 13:55.17 | aarchie | beardy_: Will do. Thanks again. |
| 13:56.39 | FabParma | abrotman: i tried to delete the whole line, i restart x and we will see |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | FabParma: i didn't mean that .. but ok |
| 13:57.25 | FabParma | abrotman: there wasent the options u asked for |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:00.25 | mejo | hello |
| 14:00.56 | mejo | i use the official debian/sid amd64 mirror ftp2.de.debian.org for apt-get. |
| 14:00.57 | antoniojulio | hi, i have horde and imp working but i not doc for config turba ldap adress book, the openldap and addressbook is work for outlook 2002 and outlook express; do you help me? |
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| 14:01.16 | mejo | every second time, when i run 'apt-get update', i get an error message like: |
| 14:01.34 | mejo | 99% [Packages bzip2 0] [Query] [Waiting for headers] |
| 14:01.34 | mejo | bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows. |
| 14:01.37 | mejo | bzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for device Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout) |
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| 14:02.32 | mejo | then i have to remove /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp2.de.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_main_* and afterwards apt-get update runs without errors again. |
| 14:02.45 | mejo | as said, this happens every second time, i run apt-get update. |
| 14:05.24 | mejo | this bug seems to exist for i386 too, at least i'm able to reproduce it in the i386 chroot. |
| 14:05.36 | mejo | can anybody confirm, that he/she has the same problem? |
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| 14:10.45 | marco13185 | I've been trying to get my ipod to work and I keep having this problem. I can mount and browse my ipod's filesystem EXCEPT for /media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes any application that tries to access that folder locks up. |
| 14:10.55 | marco13185 | Why would it do this? |
| 14:11.22 | voltagex | I'd like to compile my own version of perl, how can I do it without killing dpkg/debian? |
| 14:11.48 | insidius | Does anyone know of a way to stop people from seeing my website? I got told of something to do with some access file. I want it to prompt for username/password |
| 14:12.08 | marco13185 | insidius, google .htaccess |
| 14:12.15 | insidius | Ahh so it is that file |
| 14:12.18 | insidius | Thank you very much |
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| 14:12.46 | insidius | I was not sure if i had the right file thats all |
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| 14:12.54 | marco13185 | :D |
| 14:13.12 | kristalino | compiling a new version of perl ? good luck really |
| 14:13.37 | voltagex | kristalino: the version in stable is not working properly |
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| 14:13.59 | kristalino | why don't you try the unstable version voltagex ? |
| 14:14.03 | holdenSK | voltagex: how come ? |
| 14:14.27 | voltagex | holdenSK: I can't install Net::IP from CPAN |
| 14:14.37 | kristalino | and yep, i agree with holdenSK, how come ? |
| 14:14.42 | voltagex | holdenSK: It complains about the build failing |
| 14:14.52 | marco13185 | voltagex, don't build it |
| 14:15.00 | holdenSK | isn't Net::IP already debianized ? |
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| 14:15.16 | voltagex | holdenSK: can I apt-get it? |
| 14:15.29 | marco13185 | download the package from the debian repository on the net |
| 14:15.38 | marco13185 | so you don't have to change environment variables |
| 14:15.45 | marco13185 | then dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 14:16.03 | voltagex | marco13185: gah I hate web browsing in cli |
| 14:16.12 | marco13185 | oh |
| 14:16.14 | voltagex | so it's only in unstable? |
| 14:16.26 | marco13185 | voltagex, let me give you the http address |
| 14:16.34 | marco13185 | what package do you specifically want? |
| 14:16.50 | voltagex | marco13185: i don't have copy-paste :S |
| 14:16.56 | marco13185 | write it down |
| 14:16.59 | marco13185 | -_- |
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| 14:17.05 | voltagex | lol |
| 14:17.07 | voltagex | i gtg |
| 14:17.16 | voltagex | i'll grab the package tomorrow |
| 14:17.17 | AcuraX | I went to install "initscripts" do i have to first remove sysvinit? |
| 14:17.18 | voltagex | thanks |
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| 14:18.32 | AcuraX | what package includes this |
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| 14:19.09 | holdenSK | btw Net::IP is in libnet-ip-perl FYI :) |
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| 14:20.43 | _TiTan_ | plop |
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| 14:21.35 | ceplma | :-) |
| 14:21.43 | _TiTan_ | flop ceplma |
| 14:21.51 | ceplma | flop? |
| 14:22.03 | _TiTan_ | lol, yop plop flop, pareil ^^ |
| 14:23.44 | marco13185 | I've been trying to get my ipod to work and I keep having this problem. I can mount and browse my ipod's filesystem EXCEPT for /media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes any application that tries to access that folder locks up. |
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| 14:27.37 | marco13185 | I've been trying to get my ipod to work and I keep having this problem. I can mount and browse my ipod's filesystem EXCEPT for /media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes any application that tries to access that folder locks up. |
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| 14:30.14 | AcuraX | libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 what package is that part of? |
| 14:30.32 | SimonRaven | @tell AcuraX -about search |
| 14:31.23 | AcuraX | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 14:31.36 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 14:31.41 | aarchie | marco13185: have you tried gtkpod? |
| 14:31.48 | marco13185 | aarchie, this is universal |
| 14:31.48 | AcuraX | The following packages have unmet dependencies: udev: Depends: initscripts (>= 2.85-16) but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 14:31.53 | AcuraX | How do i fix that? |
| 14:31.53 | marco13185 | they all need to access that app |
| 14:32.07 | AcuraX | I did what it said but i still get the same problem |
| 14:32.12 | AcuraX | do i need to remove sysvinit? |
| 14:32.29 | marco13185 | aarchie, it's a mount issue |
| 14:32.32 | marco13185 | not an app issue |
| 14:32.39 | marco13185 | all apps have the same problem |
| 14:32.50 | azeem | AcuraX: no, don't remove sysvinit |
| 14:32.56 | littleball | hello, i am looking for tools/or website, which can help me translate characters/especial Chinese, Japanese characters to Unicode hex value. who can recommend? |
| 14:33.01 | azeem | AcuraX: did you try to run apt-get -f install |
| 14:33.02 | AcuraX | Ok so how do i fix it? |
| 14:33.05 | AcuraX | Yes |
| 14:33.08 | AcuraX | Same error |
| 14:33.15 | aarchie | hmm. You can read & write to other directories on the ipod? |
| 14:33.22 | azeem | AcuraX: just `apt-get -f install'? |
| 14:33.34 | AcuraX | there we go |
| 14:33.45 | marco13185 | aarchie, yep |
| 14:34.10 | AcuraX | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/sbin/fsck.nfs', which is also in package sysvinit |
| 14:34.10 | AcuraX | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:34.11 | dpkg | AcuraX: what are you talking about? |
| 14:34.22 | aarchie | and "ls /media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes" locks up? |
| 14:34.39 | azeem | AcuraX: initscripts and sysvinit are from the same package |
| 14:34.50 | azeem | AcuraX: are you running unstable? |
| 14:34.56 | oskie | AcuraX: try installing with dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb |
| 14:35.18 | AcuraX | thanks |
| 14:35.35 | azeem | oskie: that's ill advise |
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| 14:36.04 | AcuraX | Thanks alot azeem |
| 14:36.04 | marco13185 | aarchie, I can access it fine through the shell it seems |
| 14:36.05 | oskie | azeem: yeah, without the warning... AcuraX - see dpkg --force-help before doing that |
| 14:36.15 | AcuraX | Ok thank you |
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| 14:36.26 | azeem | AcuraX: I asked you whether you run unstable? |
| 14:36.35 | AcuraX | yea. |
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| 14:36.45 | azeem | AcuraX: what does dpkg -l initscripts sysvinit say for the versions? |
| 14:36.54 | aarchie | marco13185: which applications have you been using which have locked up? |
| 14:37.01 | noid | is "lvm" a good name for a lvm volume group, or will I eventually create confusion? |
| 14:37.13 | AcuraX | ii initscripts 2.86.ds1-14 Scripts for initializing and shutting down t ii sysvinit 2.84-195 System-V like init with KNOPPIX scripts. |
| 14:37.14 | marco13185 | konqueror, amaroK, gtkpod |
| 14:37.45 | marco13185 | aarchie, here's the thing, when I do the ls as a normal user, the file names are in green |
| 14:37.49 | oskie | knoppix..eh? |
| 14:37.53 | AcuraX | Can you tell me how to fix this? |
| 14:37.59 | AcuraX | ;x |
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| 14:38.01 | marco13185 | install debian |
| 14:38.09 | AcuraX | root@box1:/home/acurax# aim aim: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:38.15 | AcuraX | I would if iknew how to config X properly |
| 14:38.24 | marco13185 | AcuraX, !!!! |
| 14:38.25 | avtobiff | AcuraX, man ls |
| 14:38.38 | marco13185 | aarchie, does the green mean read only? |
| 14:38.42 | ootput | recursively, that is |
| 14:38.44 | ootput | hi guys, is there a script available (bash, perl, python etc) that'll allow me to perform a certain command in each subdirectory of cwd? |
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| 14:39.04 | minerale | How can I delete files based on filesize or creation date? I have somehow ended with 150 thousand files in my home directory |
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| 14:39.10 | azeem | AcuraX: hrm, so it seems your knoppix sysvinit doesn't like unstable |
| 14:39.14 | gozz | hi im trying to follow this tutorial for network printers and i think it maybe a little out dated and it tells me to use the command lpadmin and i keep getting command not found. is their a new command for this? |
| 14:39.18 | azeem | AcuraX: you should ask in #knoppix about that |
| 14:39.20 | asg | minerale: find + xargs |
| 14:39.23 | AcuraX | I have. |
| 14:39.31 | avtobiff | minerale, use find and pipe the output to rm |
| 14:39.33 | ILF | http://pastebin.com/688639 - md5sum'd xorg.conf before doing that. what's the problem? |
| 14:39.46 | AcuraX | If i get debian, will one of your guys help config X so i have more then the 800 x 600 screen reso? |
| 14:39.50 | marco13185 | AcuraX, knoppix doesn't like to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:39.57 | avtobiff | minerale, find /home/dir -type f lalalpermshitdontrememberordateshithere | xargs rm |
| 14:39.59 | marco13185 | knoppix is meant to be a static system |
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| 14:40.21 | avtobiff | AcuraX, use xfree86config or xorgconfig depending on your xserver |
| 14:40.34 | avtobiff | AcuraX, it really is quite hands on |
| 14:40.43 | aarchie | marco13185, the colours show the different file types. I'm not sure exactly what green is for. |
| 14:40.45 | azeem | AcuraX: well, backup your xorg.conf |
| 14:40.56 | azeem | AcuraX: you can than at least use it for hints on Debian |
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| 14:41.29 | AcuraX | what disks are mandatory? |
| 14:41.30 | azeem | AcuraX: you mean CDs? |
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| 14:41.30 | AcuraX | yea |
| 14:41.33 | noid | AcuraX: get the netinstall iso |
| 14:41.36 | azeem | AcuraX: only the netinst, if you have decent internet |
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| 14:41.53 | aarchie | marco13185: if you do ls -lah in that directory, what permissions appear to the left of the filenames? |
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| 14:41.55 | AcuraX | Can i use PPPoE with it? |
| 14:42.03 | marco13185 | ls -lah |
| 14:42.04 | marco13185 | woops |
| 14:42.10 | azeem | AcuraX: yes, but it needs some configuring |
| 14:42.14 | marco13185 | aarchie, root |
| 14:42.24 | azeem | pppoeconfig or what's it called is on the netinst I think |
| 14:43.06 | AcuraX | Hmm.. |
| 14:43.06 | marco13185 | aarchie, you want me to message you the line in my fstab file? |
| 14:43.18 | aarchie | marco13185: beside where is says root there should be a sequence of characters which show permissions. Could you paste in a single line from the ls -lah output? |
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| 14:43.44 | marco13185 | aarchie, -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 281K 2006-04-12 11:17 iTunesDB |
| 14:43.50 | AcuraX | I have never configed X |
| 14:44.03 | marco13185 | AcuraX, it's probably one of the easiest things to do |
| 14:44.15 | AcuraX | Will you help me with it when i get back? |
| 14:44.28 | AcuraX | I'll look at it stupid |
| 14:44.29 | AcuraX | lol |
| 14:44.32 | marco13185 | AcuraX, if I'm on, ya, otherwise, the other 825 people will :D |
| 14:44.35 | aarchie | marco13185: hmm. That tells us that any user can read that file but no one can write to it. |
| 14:44.47 | marco13185 | aarchie, you want my fstab file? |
| 14:44.53 | AcuraX | Can anyone tell me why i can't run aim? |
| 14:45.10 | marco13185 | AcuraX, which aim? |
| 14:45.11 | AcuraX | And hell configing the sound is gunna be hard.. |
| 14:45.18 | AcuraX | aim from ther aim website lol |
| 14:45.20 | marco13185 | AcuraX, not really, alsa is really good |
| 14:45.22 | nvz | I am a bit curious about how google news works.. I mean it seems as though on re-visits the headlines change, as if it pulls 50,000 news sources and somehow combines like headlines and only shows one on the same story at a time |
| 14:45.25 | marco13185 | AcuraX, use gaim |
| 14:45.37 | AcuraX | k |
| 14:45.43 | marco13185 | the aim linux version is VERY old |
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| 14:45.46 | AcuraX | whats the apt-get to get konversation? |
| 14:45.56 | marco13185 | apt-get install konversation? |
| 14:46.00 | bizzie | Hi, can i get german support here? |
| 14:46.02 | marco13185 | o.O |
| 14:46.09 | AcuraX | yeah, konversation |
| 14:46.22 | marco13185 | yes, apt-get install konversation |
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| 14:46.33 | aarchie | marco13185: I don't know if I'd know what it should look like. Is it not auto detected & mounted? |
| 14:46.34 | AcuraX | Ok |
| 14:46.35 | AcuraX | :) |
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| 14:46.44 | AcuraX | lol i have to upgrade kde too |
| 14:46.51 | bizzie | HI, i have a problem with proftpd |
| 14:46.51 | marco13185 | aarchie, hmm, let me remove the fstab line and try that |
| 14:46.57 | ke6isf | Running Sarge. Recently, my sound decided to "not work" (i.e., not only do I get no sound, anything *with* sound freezes when it attempts to play sound). Where would I look to find out why this is the case? |
| 14:47.00 | bizzie | can i tel my questions here? |
| 14:47.08 | Angels2 | Shrug, i am a bit new to debian. I have to compile a kernel module (hpt374 controller) by my own... what do i need? ... downloaded the kernel-source with apt-get ... now i have a bz2 file in /usr/src ... guess i have to unbz2 it and use it as source for the module?` |
| 14:47.17 | ke6isf | bizzie: tried #debian-de? |
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| 14:47.22 | AcuraX | Whats the newest kernel? |
| 14:47.23 | bizzie | thank you |
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| 14:48.09 | bizzie | there is no channel debain-de |
| 14:48.10 | marco13185 | AcuraX, do what distro of debian do you want, unstable, testing or stable? |
| 14:48.21 | AcuraX | unstable |
| 14:48.30 | marco13185 | then get the net-install disk |
| 14:48.34 | AcuraX | Ok |
| 14:48.37 | marco13185 | and type expert at boot |
| 14:48.38 | AcuraX | I am getting it now |
| 14:48.42 | aarchie | marco13185: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:48.47 | marco13185 | aarchie, unstable |
| 14:48.52 | Firehand | bizzie: it's #debian.de |
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| 14:49.02 | bizzie | thyns |
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| 14:49.09 | AcuraX | Whats the ppoe config tool? |
| 14:49.10 | bastioninc | Hello, i need help : debian+apache2 env. var. $REMOTE_ADDR returns null, what to do? |
| 14:49.17 | marco13185 | aarchie, I'm a version number junkie ;) |
| 14:49.39 | Angels2 | bastioninc: php var? |
| 14:49.53 | bastioninc | yes, php4 |
| 14:49.56 | AcuraX | So how would i get alsa to config? |
| 14:50.00 | aarchie | marco13185: you might want to try http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/ipod ? It seems to give some useful info. |
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| 14:50.09 | Angels2 | bastioninc: check $_SERVER :P |
| 14:50.17 | asg | bastioninc: that's probably because you don't have register_globals on (which is a good thing) |
| 14:50.17 | Angels2 | shrug |
| 14:50.22 | Angels2 | or was it _ENV |
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| 14:50.45 | aarchie | marco13185: heh. :) testing is as near to the edge as I like to get! |
| 14:50.54 | asg | bastioninc: use $_ENV["REMOTE_ADDR"] (or whatever it is) |
| 14:51.15 | bizzie | can somebody tell me in querryx how to add a permanent ftp user? |
| 14:51.30 | minerale | Ok, so I have about 250 thousand files that came out of nowhere, I can 'move' them manually, but if I run find I get a 'No such file or directory' for each file |
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| 14:52.26 | gizmo | Oi, is there a way besides the "turboprint way" to get a canon ip5200r printer to work? |
| 14:52.35 | bastioninc | Angels2: print(" $_SERVER"); return null.... |
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| 14:53.08 | abrotman | no ... it's an array of variables |
| 14:53.31 | bastioninc | Angels2: File test.php works on old machine, but not on new Debian.Probably apache conf.... |
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| 14:53.58 | abrotman | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.php#reserved.variables.server |
| 14:54.07 | Angels2 | bastioninc: different php versions? |
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| 14:54.22 | bastioninc | Angels2: Same php |
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| 14:55.18 | Angels2 | What kernel image should i use with a amd64? (currently i am tsting amd64-k8 which outputs some compiling errors) |
| 14:55.18 | bastioninc | Angels2: <?php print("$REMOTE_ADDR"); ?> |
| 14:55.20 | AcuraX | can i do apt-get install hsfmodem? |
| 14:55.33 | azeem | AcuraX: what is hsfmodem? |
| 14:55.39 | AcuraX | for softmodems |
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| 14:55.43 | Angels2 | bastioninc: check your php.ini for "register_globals" i guess .. dunno if thats the problem |
| 14:55.45 | azeem | AcuraX: see packages.debian.org for information on debian packages |
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| 14:56.18 | bastioninc | Angels2: OK |
| 14:56.31 | AcuraX | whatis the pppoeconfig tool? |
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| 14:57.13 | h7-25 | i need to install gcc3.2 on sarge but the official debian repository does not have packages for it - how would it be done as easy as possible? |
| 14:57.28 | marco13185 | aarchie, well, I have permissions now, but I still get the same prob |
| 14:57.44 | gnufan | AcuraX: tool for configuring ppp over ethernet -- apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 14:57.51 | bastioninc | Angels2: register_globas=off |
| 14:58.00 | AcuraX | i need it for the net install.. |
| 14:58.14 | Angels2 | bastioninc: well i wouldnt recommend it.. but "on" solves your problem |
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| 14:58.32 | gnufan | AcuraX: why? What are you trying to do? |
| 14:58.34 | Angels2 | bastioninc: but instead of registerglobals=on you should switch to a better coding style :P |
| 14:58.39 | azeem | AcuraX: it should be on the netinst |
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| 14:58.52 | AcuraX | Ok so it'll config it for me? |
| 14:59.12 | aarchie | marco13185: how did you get the permissions? |
| 14:59.15 | bastioninc | Angels2: It WORKS!!! Great !!!!!!! |
| 14:59.23 | marco13185 | aarchie, I deleted the fstab line |
| 14:59.40 | Angels2 | bastioninc: sure it is... but i would use registerglobals=on on a productionenvironment |
| 14:59.43 | marco13185 | aarchie, but now, it appears like an empty dir in konqueror and gtkpod still locks up |
| 15:00.03 | aarchie | marco13185: and it picked it up & mounted it automatically? or can you now not see the contents of the ipod? |
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| 15:00.40 | marco13185 | aarchie, will, it would mount automatically, but I wanted it mounted on /media/ipod, so I did a mount /dev/sdc2 /media/ipod |
| 15:00.43 | ceplma | tell ceplma about search |
| 15:01.37 | aarchie | marco13185: Have you told gtkpod to look there? It will have problems unless you have changed its settings. |
| 15:01.46 | Taa5i | Hello. I am attempting to get a laptop to network install off of the boot floppies. It has a pcmcia GREM56G-100 Xircom Cardbus network card. However, I have so far been unable to get it to accpet a dhcp address. Is this common please? |
| 15:01.55 | marco13185 | aarchie, it by default looks in /media/ipod |
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| 15:02.21 | marco13185 | aarchie, when it mounts elsewhere it says that the ipod must be mounted on /media/ipod. when I do that, and tell it to read the DB, it hangs |
| 15:02.28 | bastioninc | Angels2: THX, my next problem is ---- perl : warning : setting locale failed! How to set locales? |
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| 15:02.55 | aarchie | marco13185: ah. ok. If you launch gtkpod from the console, then try to access the device is there anything useful printed to the console before it crashes? |
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| 15:03.02 | bastioninc | Angels2: base-config exits witch error |
| 15:03.09 | h7-25 | how can i get gcc3.2 on sarge? |
| 15:03.15 | locus | I'm trying to set up a secondary ip using the iproute2 tools. I have no problem to configure the address but I when try to add the setup script to /etc/network/if-up.d/ (chmod 755) it doesnt seem to work when the server boots. Is that the wrong place for such a script? |
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| 15:03.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 15:03.52 | marco13185 | aarchie, nm, amarok works, so I'm happy :D |
| 15:03.58 | POVaddct | locus: if-up.d is for ppp only, i guess |
| 15:04.01 | marco13185 | aarchie, amarok was able to get it |
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| 15:04.11 | icyfire0573 | Taa5i, what do you mean it won't accept a DCHP address? its offered and says... you know what... I hate dchp ? or nothing offers a dhcp address? |
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| 15:04.25 | marco13185 | aarchie, thanks for the help |
| 15:04.30 | POVaddct | locus: use u-command in /etc/network/interfaces instead (man 5 interfaces) |
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| 15:04.46 | POVaddct | locus: up command |
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| 15:04.49 | Mahsy | hello |
| 15:04.53 | aarchie | marco13185: glad to hear it! no problem. |
| 15:04.54 | hckr | hi |
| 15:05.00 | AcuraX | dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to when removing `diversion of /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock to /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock_nobt by kdebluetooth' found `diversion of /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock to /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.orig by kdelock-knoppix' dpkg: error processing kdebluetooth (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: kdebluetooth E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code |
| 15:05.00 | AcuraX | (1) |
| 15:05.10 | AcuraX | I need to install k3b to brun the netinstall.. |
| 15:05.11 | Mahsy | hum, j'ai une petite question |
| 15:05.18 | digits | Hey guys, I have a problem with an apache2 install... debian doesn't want to make the /etc/apache2 folder and it's contents for me... what should i do? it's for a clean install, is there a way to purge it and restart (i've tried with apt-get --purge remove apache2 and reinstall, which didn't work) |
| 15:05.20 | Mahsy | voilà , je voudrai installer kde |
| 15:05.21 | Taa5i | icyfire0573: dhclient reports DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval, but finally exits out with No DHCPOFFERS received, no working leases in persistent database. |
| 15:05.23 | gnufan | h7-25: there is always one -- why do you need 3.2 ? 3.3 and 3.0 are packaged |
| 15:05.31 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 15:05.31 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 15:05.33 | azeem | AcuraX: ask in #knoppix |
| 15:05.34 | jayeola | hey chaps. i used to use xhost+ after installing x-windows. the dpkg bot tells me that it's a dangerous command to use. any alternatives? |
| 15:05.35 | valdyn | digits: ^^^ |
| 15:05.36 | Mahsy | mais que les packages de l'interface graphique et de la configuration systeme |
| 15:05.41 | azeem | AcuraX: or use cdrecord or something |
| 15:05.44 | Mahsy | sans les jeux et autres débilités quoi |
| 15:05.46 | locus | POVaddct, ok thanks...but I'd like it to have in a separate file. I guess I just have to put it in a "normal" init.d script then |
| 15:05.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | im using gentoo for my desktop and i did that install very often, but i use debian for my servers, i found out that i can install debian the same way as gentoo and its called debootstrap, am i right? but is there an nice tutorial on doing that? |
| 15:05.58 | icyfire0573 | Taa5i, so, its not getting a DHCP offer. the question then becomes, 1 is it plugged in and 2 is the dhcp server set up right? |
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| 15:06.03 | Mahsy | comment savoir quels sont ces packages avec apt-get? |
| 15:06.04 | marco13185 | AcuraX, knoppix brings k3d |
| 15:06.07 | marco13185 | *k3b |
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| 15:06.12 | valdyn | digits: those files probably are not generated by the apache2 package |
| 15:06.15 | digits | valdyn: hugs on you |
| 15:06.21 | valdyn | digits: but by apache2-common |
| 15:06.27 | AcuraX | bash: k3b: command not found |
| 15:06.39 | Taa5i | icyfire0573: The router is logging dhcp requests from this laptop, and its mac address is entered to allow it to receive one. Might there be anything else the problem? |
| 15:06.54 | encKe` | apt-get install k3b |
| 15:06.58 | thingfish | Mahsy: #debian-fr |
| 15:07.01 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: it's not quite the same |
| 15:07.04 | AcuraX | i keep trying that but iget that error |
| 15:07.04 | digits | valdyn: that explains it, i'm trying to salvage a server for my brother... he must have deleted the folder (to be nice, and give me a clean start) thus apt/dpkg doesn't make it again :) |
| 15:07.10 | bastioninc | Hello : how to set locales on Debian, (perl warning : setting locale failed) |
| 15:07.14 | Mahsy | thingfish, oh, excuse me, thanks |
| 15:07.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, whats the big difference? |
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| 15:07.25 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: compiling? :) |
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| 15:08.02 | h7-25 | bastioninc: you might consider dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:08.10 | AngelGabriel | how can i check if a kernel is multicast complient |
| 15:08.13 | AcuraX | and i cant remove kdebluetooth.. |
| 15:08.21 | gnufan | bastioninc: there is a localeconf package install that ;) |
| 15:08.30 | icyfire0573 | Taa5i, Other than a driver issue... I cant think of anything. What happens when you try to enter an IP address manually? |
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| 15:08.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, hehe, i know that :P but the install way of starting in an shell and then giving the commands so you can install on the most complex maschines (think of dmraid), but is there an tutorial on doing so with debian, the gentoo one i know |
| 15:09.00 | marco13185 | AcuraX, do you have doze partition? |
| 15:09.09 | AcuraX | a what? |
| 15:09.13 | abrotman | dmraid is the most complex you can think of ? |
| 15:09.15 | marco13185 | a windows partition? |
| 15:09.16 | AcuraX | All i need is soemthing to burn this iso |
| 15:09.18 | abrotman | !deboostrap |
| 15:09.20 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 15:09.21 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 15:09.29 | Taa5i | icyfire0573: It still is unable to connect to any mirror to find the Release file. This is what made me suspect it was a debian issue and not a network issue. That is, the driver on the drivers floppy might be broken or such. |
| 15:09.30 | AcuraX | yes.. |
| 15:09.33 | gnufan | AcuraX: they already suggested cdrecord |
| 15:09.40 | AcuraX | i dunno how to use cdrecord |
| 15:09.44 | digits | valdyn: that did the trick, iou :) |
| 15:09.44 | bastioninc | gnufan: THX |
| 15:09.54 | h7-25 | AcuraX: man cdrecord |
| 15:09.54 | marco13185 | AcuraX, if you can't figure it out, boot into windows, and burn it with burnatonce |
| 15:09.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | !caphuso |
| 15:10.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | !/caphuso |
| 15:10.24 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: try the URL |
| 15:10.49 | icyfire0573 | Taa5i, are you trying to install sarge or etch? |
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| 15:11.31 | Taa5i | icyfire0573: I am booting from the 2.4 kernel boot floppies, as that is the only way I've found to try to install, as this laptop has no CD drive. So, I suspect it is sarge. |
| 15:11.39 | radio | hola |
| 15:11.51 | jayeola | are there any safer alternatives to xhost? i'm getting "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" |
| 15:11.54 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:11.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:12.03 | abrotman | jayeola: yes |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | !xhost |
| 15:12.10 | dpkg | it has been said that xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 15:12.29 | gnufan | jayeola: yes, but teaching you X permissions is going to be fun, people just use "ssh -X" to get X permissions right these days |
| 15:12.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, still not quite what i was looking for, i miss a lot in there that the gentoo manual has, becas that one is like 20 pages and this one is 1 :S |
| 15:12.34 | radio | hello |
| 15:12.56 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: i'm confused which manual you're looking for |
| 15:13.05 | radio | hola |
| 15:13.08 | radio | hay alguin |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:13.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:13.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | the compleets start to end manual of booting an live system and then installing debian by debootstrap and such |
| 15:13.30 | jayeola | gnufan: i've just install x-windows and i'm getting that ^^ error when starting firefox? any safer methods than xhost? |
| 15:13.34 | locus | POVaddct, fyi scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ are executed when a new interfaces comes up (not just ppp) |
| 15:13.47 | POVaddct | locus: okay |
| 15:13.53 | radio | hola como andan |
| 15:14.01 | radio | hello |
| 15:14.06 | abrotman | radio: /join #debian-es .. or speak english here |
| 15:14.14 | icyfire0573 | Taa5i, I acn't come up with any real reason for that to not work at this point. So, I would suggest trying the ETCH installer to see if that helps. |
| 15:14.23 | bastioninc | h7-25: dpkg-reconfigure locales work ok, but problem remains the same..... |
| 15:14.31 | gnufan | jayeola: if you are logged into X as the right user, and issue the firefox command from with X then you don't need xhost at all |
| 15:14.39 | locus | still doesnt explain why my ip addr add script isnt working there, tho |
| 15:14.40 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: i mean .. once the regular installer starts .. can't you use the regular manual ? |
| 15:14.55 | bastioninc | h7-25: perl warning settings locales... |
| 15:15.24 | h7-25 | you might want to run locale-gen |
| 15:15.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | ill try with the info you gave me |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: there's also debtakeover |
| 15:15.47 | Taa5i | icyfire0573: Thank you, I'll look into that. |
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| 15:15.50 | jayeola | hrm.... |
| 15:15.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, whats that? |
| 15:16.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | !debtakeover |
| 15:16.04 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | locus: world domination? |
| 15:16.40 | icyfire0573 | Taa5i, sorry i couldn't fix the issue w/ sarge. Good luck working on etch though. |
| 15:16.53 | locus | abrotman, total world domination ;) |
| 15:16.53 | POVaddct | locus: what was preventing the script from running? |
| 15:16.54 | gnufan | abrotman: export restrictions perhaps ? |
| 15:17.09 | abrotman | Taa5i: no CD drive? |
| 15:17.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, lol, that sounds evil, but i keep gentoo on my desktop :P |
| 15:17.24 | locus | POVaddct, the script name must not contain a dash |
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| 15:17.28 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: ok |
| 15:17.47 | Taa5i | abrotman: That is correct. I even tried booting from a floppy and setting a USB hdd to pretend to be an USB memory stick to try that install method. |
| 15:17.59 | POVaddct | locus: oh |
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| 15:18.03 | AcuraX | voila |
| 15:18.13 | AcuraX | So the deb net install will guide me to config my pppoe? |
| 15:18.28 | abrotman | Taa5i: you might want to ask #debian-boot |
| 15:18.38 | abrotman | Taa5i: or .. have another pcmcia card around? |
| 15:19.19 | Taa5i | abrotman: I'm fairly sure this is the only one that I have, I can check around a bit, though. I'll try in #debian-boot in a bit, thanks. |
| 15:19.31 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, thx for the help, i will now try to takkle this Dell Poweredge 500SC system of mine |
| 15:19.36 | spikeb | pre apollo-11 is the last stable release, not world domination |
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| 15:21.10 | gnufan | DJ-Marcuzz: eek I have a 400 --- good luck with the DELL -- it was fun! |
| 15:21.48 | _Atomo64_ | Hi, since yesterday when I login arts crashes; and Amarok also crashes when I try to change from arts to xine. I'm using etch |
| 15:21.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | gnufan, the 500SC makes lots of noise without the bios upgrade, hows yours? |
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| 15:22.24 | eg | Windows has overwritten my mbr, nothing new in that, but back in the old days I would boot in rescue mode from a debian install cd and rewrite the mbr. This doesn't seem to be possible with the new install cd's. What whould be the right approach? |
| 15:22.38 | gnufan | Mines not an SC.... ATA raid thing which made it more fun I guess -- but the box is almost totally silent |
| 15:23.00 | abrotman | eg: i believe you can just boot the installer .. and just run the "install grub" part |
| 15:23.09 | thingfish | eg: I use a knoppix disc. |
| 15:23.20 | thingfish | ooh I hadn't tried that... |
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| 15:23.25 | eg | I tried just grub'ing from the install cd, didn't work |
| 15:23.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | gnufan, i don't have an ata raid thing on mine :( it has an crappy bios you cant setup much in there :S |
| 15:23.34 | eg | or I failed doing it :) |
| 15:23.36 | Led_Zeppelin | how can I check if a certain option is compiled into the kernel? using etch |
| 15:23.52 | cahoot | Led_Zeppelin: grep the config in /boot |
| 15:23.54 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: grep 'OPTION_NAME' /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:24.06 | thingfish | I tried using the install cd, but I had trouble making a dir to mount the chroot. |
| 15:24.08 | eg | I'll try the knoppix way |
| 15:24.09 | eg | thanks |
| 15:24.10 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: ok |
| 15:24.13 | gnufan | DJ-Marcuzz: I think I only saw the BIOS twice... that said it has been absolutely reliable inspite of what I've done to it |
| 15:24.30 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: or just use less /boot/config-$(uname -r) and '/search' for it |
| 15:25.00 | lewis | morning lads - got a debian etch box, which has network disconnects on all services (i.e. SSH/Samba) after about 40 mins. I can reconnect immediately after though - Any ideas? |
| 15:25.23 | bastioninc | Hello : if i know file name not installed on filesystem, how to find package name to apt-get install it? |
| 15:25.34 | asg | bastioninc: apt-file |
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| 15:26.46 | noid | can a volume group be renamed after it's been created? |
| 15:26.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | gnufan, i didn't see the bios often neither, but its way reliabler then the system i latly build that one crashes and gives apic error 40(40) and much more, i need to reinstall it, but i don't dare becaus i have an software raid on there and don't know how to reinstall without loosing those data :( |
| 15:26.53 | bastioninc | asg: apt-file search nc ----returns nothing?! |
| 15:26.58 | yggdrasil | is there some sort of web page interface to control iptables/monmontha firewall rules |
| 15:27.04 | asg | bastioninc: did you run 'apt-file update' first? |
| 15:27.11 | asg | bastioninc: anyway, nc is in the netcat package |
| 15:27.13 | bastioninc | asg: no :) |
| 15:27.55 | Lord_carlos | some one of u know a good german debian forum? |
| 15:28.02 | abrotman | asg: it is the netcat package :) |
| 15:28.06 | abrotman | !forum |
| 15:28.06 | dpkg | somebody said forums was http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
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| 15:28.10 | abrotman | dunno if any are in german |
| 15:28.15 | asg | abrotman: that's what I said |
| 15:28.17 | Lord_carlos | thx |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | asg: no .. i mean .. there's like nothing else in it :) .. the binary and a man page |
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| 15:28.36 | bastioninc | asg: I know nc, but this is an example ... |
| 15:28.43 | abrotman | oh .. i was wrong .. a bit more than that |
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| 15:28.55 | asg | bastioninc: then 'apt-file update && apt-file search foo' |
| 15:28.55 | abrotman | Lord_carlos: http://www.debianforum.de/forum/ |
| 15:29.01 | bastioninc | asg: apt-cache search nc goes to nothing |
| 15:29.09 | asg | bastioninc: not apt-cache, apt-file |
| 15:29.22 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:29.23 | Lord_carlos | thx abrotman |
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| 15:30.47 | bastioninc | asg: yes, how long take executing apt-file update? 10 minuts or more? |
| 15:31.04 | asg | bastioninc: a few seconds. If you use sid or etch it may or may not work. It does work on stable |
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| 15:31.19 | asg | bastioninc: if the former, use the other options in '/msg dpkg search' |
| 15:31.27 | jpinto | Hi, my debian system booted with the fonts extra smalll, this is probably something to do with X, any ideas about this? is this common? |
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| 15:31.55 | diego | anynone has the sources.list to install gnome 2.14 in debian sid amd64? i haveunmet dependencies :( |
| 15:32.04 | asg | bastioninc: use 'apt-file -v update' to see what it's doing |
| 15:32.16 | bastioninc | asg: apt-file hangs...... |
| 15:33.02 | asg | bastioninc: /msg dpkg find <foo> |
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| 15:33.17 | AngelGabriel | if my understanding of multicasting is correct, am I right in saying, that if a client uses multicasting to find it's server, then it will only be able to locate that server IF the server resides on the same subnet segment? |
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| 15:33.49 | abrotman | diego: paste your sources somewhere |
| 15:33.50 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:33.50 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:34.00 | thingfish | I'm running apt-file update (sarge) and all I'm getting when it asks for the CDs is /dev/hdc is already mounted or is busy; cp: cannot stat '/cdrom/dists/unstable/Contents-i386.gz' |
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| 15:34.15 | thingfish | then it tell me to put in the next cd, and it happens over again. |
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| 15:34.24 | holdenSK | thingfish: same behaviour |
| 15:34.39 | abrotman | thingfish: did you ask a question ? |
| 15:34.44 | thingfish | I remember trying apt-file before once, and I think something like this happened then, too. |
| 15:34.54 | abrotman | thingfish: do you actually use the CDs? |
| 15:35.00 | diego | abrotman: I only have deb ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free and deb-src ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 15:35.02 | thingfish | oh abrotman, no, I suppose it wasn't in the form of a question. |
| 15:35.22 | abrotman | diego: and you did an apt-get update? |
| 15:35.29 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, they're what I have now. I had the DVD set, but the first disc shortly became unreadable. |
| 15:35.33 | abrotman | thingfish: does /cdrom/ exist as the mountpoint for your CD ? |
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| 15:35.41 | holdenSK | abrotman: does apt-file work with Sarge on DVDs ? |
| 15:36.00 | abrotman | that's easy to check .. is the Contents-i386.gz file actually on the CD ? |
| 15:36.13 | abrotman | thingfish: and if it's sarge . why is it asking for unstable ? |
| 15:36.21 | xapaho | hiya all |
| 15:36.39 | thingfish | abrotman: that's what I was wondering. I installed apt-file right off sarge CD#1. |
| 15:36.51 | abrotman | thingfish: is the contents file even on the CD? |
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| 15:36.58 | diego | abrotman: yes and when i do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment the results are The following packages have unmet dependencies. gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-media (>= 2.12.0-2) but it is not going to be installed Depends: sound-juicer (>= 2.12.3) but it is not going to be installed Depends: totem (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 15:37.28 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 15:37.28 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 15:37.28 | bastioninc | asg: '/msg dpkg find' works perfect |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | !info gnome-desktop-environment sid |
| 15:37.46 | dpkg | gnome-desktop-environment: (The GNOME Desktop Environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | !info gnome sid |
| 15:37.59 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:38.00 | thingfish | abrotman: the dir exists; the file it's looking for (Contents-i386.gz) does not. |
| 15:38.13 | abrotman | diego: for some reason .. the metapacakges are out of whack |
| 15:38.15 | thingfish | abrotman: BTS is my next step. |
| 15:38.17 | abrotman | !info gnome-core sid |
| 15:38.19 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:38.27 | abrotman | thingfish: guess that's why it's not working then :) |
| 15:38.38 | abrotman | thingfish: why not use HTTP sources? |
| 15:38.47 | thingfish | abrotman: dialup. |
| 15:38.48 | diego | abrotman: maybe because is an SID AMD64 port? |
| 15:38.56 | abrotman | thingfish: oh .. didn't know |
| 15:39.03 | abrotman | diego: no .. they all seem out of whack |
| 15:39.08 | xapaho | i have installed sarge on a toshiba satellite 5200-801 -- install went fine but at reboot: 1) the console looks like The Matrix and 2) X is not launched by default. Can't read a thing! could anyone guide me please ? |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | diego: try apt-get install gnome-session gdm .. see if that gets it going at all |
| 15:39.35 | abrotman | xapaho: which DE/WM do you prefer ? |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | (no idea about the matrix) |
| 15:39.44 | diego | abrotman: Ok, thanks |
| 15:40.06 | abrotman | !info gnome-media sid |
| 15:40.09 | dpkg | gnome-media: (GNOME media utilities), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 198 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 15:40.18 | xapaho | abrotman, whatever, gnome -- i need first a usable console |
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| 15:40.33 | diego | abrotman: i have already installed those packages! :( |
| 15:40.34 | abrotman | xapaho: so when you login .. and you type .. jibberish ? |
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| 15:40.50 | diego | !info gnome-media sid |
| 15:40.52 | aarchie | I've just installed etch from the netinst CD. DHCP worked perfectly from within the installer but on reboot I don't have network access. Can someone help? |
| 15:40.53 | dpkg | gnome-media: (GNOME media utilities), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 198 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
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| 15:41.10 | abrotman | !depends gnome-desktop-environment sid |
| 15:41.13 | dpkg | gnome-desktop-environment: depends on gnome-core (= 1:2.12.3), epiphany-browser (>= 1.8.5) | galeon (>= 1.3.18) | firefox-gnome-support | mozilla-firefox-gnome-support, evolution (>= 2.4.1), file-roller (>= 2.12.2), gcalctool (>= 5.6.31), esound, fam | gamin, gconf-editor (>= 2.12.1), gdm (>= 2.8.0.6), gnome-backgrounds (>= 2.12.3.1), evince (>= 0.4.0), gnome-about (>= 2.12.3), gnome-games (>= 1:2.12.2), gnome-keyring-manager (>= 2.12.0), gnome-media ... |
| 15:41.17 | xapaho | abrotman, jibberish ?? |
| 15:41.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm now im lookin for an debian live cd with debootstrap on it, and support for things like dmraid and such, any recommendations? |
| 15:41.27 | abrotman | xapaho: garbage |
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| 15:41.38 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:41.44 | diego | abrotman: im going to change to http sources and see what happen |
| 15:41.56 | abrotman | diego: moment |
| 15:42.07 | diego | abrotman: ok |
| 15:42.19 | xapaho | abrotman, i can see one block per char I type, but they look like... character coming from the Matrix movie |
| 15:42.26 | abrotman | diego: apt-cache policy gnome-media .. what version is the candidate ? |
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| 15:42.42 | abrotman | xapaho: did you pick a funny locale when installing? |
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| 15:42.59 | diego | abrotman: Candidate: 2.12.0-4 |
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| 15:43.07 | xapaho | abrotman, nope |
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| 15:43.09 | nvz | "funny" locale? |
| 15:43.26 | xapaho | abrotman, that should still be human readable |
| 15:43.53 | lewis | morning lads - got a debian etch box, which has network disconnects on all services (i.e. SSH/Samba) after about 40 mins. I can reconnect immediately after though. Problem with debian or local network? |
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| 15:44.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, do you know such an cd? |
| 15:45.00 | nvz | lewis: those services should have a timeout, and it should generally be far less than 40 mins |
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| 15:45.04 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: nope |
| 15:45.13 | nvz | lewis: you would serve yourself to check the logs on that system |
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| 15:46.39 | abrotman | diego: oh .. i see |
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| 15:46.52 | diego | abrotman: whats the problem? |
| 15:47.08 | aarchie | I have a regular wired network connection which is auto detected & installed in Knoppix & Ubuntu and has been fine in Debian up until just now. I have just installed etch and the network worked during install (netinst) but after reboot the interface isn't working. DHCP not working. Can anyone advise? |
| 15:47.11 | abrotman | diego: apt-get install totem .. what happens ? |
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| 15:47.20 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, what do you recommend me? I want to install a web server and a webmail in a old P1 133Mhz 32M RAM, what kernel should I use? 2.4 or 2.6? I mean 2.6 will mek my system slower than 2.4? |
| 15:47.42 | nix | 32MB ram is small even for 2.4 |
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| 15:47.57 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: i have a 2.6 on a 486 with 36MB .. it's really slow .. |
| 15:47.58 | nix | i hope you're patient when reading mail |
| 15:47.59 | diego | abrotman: The following packages have unmet dependencies. totem: Depends: totem-xine (= 1.2.1-3) but it is not going to be installedor totem-gstreamer (= 1.2.1-3) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
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| 15:48.16 | abrotman | diego: there we go .. try to install both of those packages |
| 15:48.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | ah, i think knoppix supports dmraid |
| 15:48.36 | diego | abrotman: Ok |
| 15:49.25 | bastioninc | How to examine if all files from package are installed? |
| 15:49.35 | abrotman | diego: can you install `gnome-core` ? |
| 15:49.38 | abrotman | bastioninc: debsums ? |
| 15:49.42 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, what do you use your 486 for? |
| 15:49.53 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: was my dialup router |
| 15:49.59 | nvz | damn it :P I cant answer any questions in here with chatzilla's shitty completion |
| 15:50.17 | nvz | I should have left my pc on at home so I could ssh in |
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| 15:50.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:50.30 | holdenSK | :) |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | nvz: are you in brasil again ? |
| 15:50.49 | thingfish | no fair! I want to go to brasil. |
| 15:50.53 | diego | abrotman: i have already installed gnome-core |
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| 15:50.59 | nvz | abrotman: thats Erinn ( helix ) you are thinking of I've never been to Brazil |
| 15:51.05 | yggdrasil | how can i stop my box from tryign to sync to the ntp on boot ? |
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| 15:51.40 | nix | remove ntpdate. |
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| 15:51.45 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 15:51.48 | nix | or edit /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | diego: and you can't install either of those totem pacakges? |
| 15:51.54 | nvz | abrotman: I'll be passing through her town though next weekend |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | nvz: when you go to oregon ? |
| 15:52.09 | elvirolo | has anyone encountered any problems with sid's xserver-xorg package recently ? |
| 15:52.15 | diego | abrotman: totem-xine install fine, but totem-gstreamer has unmet dependencies gstreamer0.8-misc gstreamer0.8-vorbis |
| 15:52.16 | spikeb | heh |
| 15:52.19 | spikeb | read the topic |
| 15:52.22 | nvz | abrotman: yeah.. moron |
| 15:52.38 | abrotman | diego: can you install totem now? |
| 15:52.43 | _ThePiratemaster | when i try to reinstall pure-ftpd it doesnt ask me if i want to run it from inetd or as a deamon. how do i get it to do that again |
| 15:52.47 | elvirolo | !topic |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure -plow pure-ftpd |
| 15:52.59 | abrotman | elvirolo: /topic |
| 15:53.05 | _ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 15:53.09 | fGxN | Something keeps setting my /dev/null to 0644 every morning. I've looked in /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.d, and /var/spool/cron, and I can't find what might be doing it. What am I missing? It makes it so regular users can't redirect stdout to /dev/null. |
| 15:53.17 | nvz | abrotman: you wouldnt pass Jacksonville on the way to oregon unless you _were_ in brazil and traveling by plane or something |
| 15:53.17 | diego | abrotman: no, the same unmet dependencies |
| 15:53.25 | elvirolo | abrotman: thks |
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| 15:53.31 | abrotman | diego: darn it .. you just installed the dependency! |
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| 15:53.54 | abrotman | diego: apt-get install totem .. what's the error ? |
| 15:53.57 | nvz | abrotman: I am in morgantown and heading to Saint Lucie / Fort Pierce area next weekend |
| 15:54.03 | POVaddct | fGxN: is /dev/null still a device node or a regular file? |
| 15:54.12 | abrotman | nvz: moving? or vacation? |
| 15:54.14 | diego | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.22 | nvz | abrotman: business about 4-5 weeks |
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| 15:54.37 | abrotman | diego: dpkg -l totem-xine |
| 15:54.41 | abrotman | nvz: eh? |
| 15:55.03 | bjohnson | I want to install debian on an old Pentium 75 with 16 MB ram .. end goal is to run sshd, minicom, and compile another program to flash linux appliance images through the serial port. Current linux installer says needs 22 MB RAM .. anyone know of a way that I can do it with 16MB? |
| 15:55.21 | abrotman | bjohnson: get an older installer |
| 15:55.23 | _ThePiratemaster | it didnt work |
| 15:55.27 | nvz | abrotman: among my job offers this month was a paid trip to florida to update some slot machines from ticket dispensing dinosaurs to card swiping modern machines |
| 15:55.30 | _ThePiratemaster | im installing trough apt-get |
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| 15:55.39 | abrotman | nvz: woohoo ? |
| 15:55.40 | nvz | abrotman: I didnt have to think twice on that |
| 15:55.54 | abrotman | nvz: are you going to visit helix or paulswm ? |
| 15:56.05 | diego | abrotman: gstreamer0.8-vorbis depends on gstreamer0.8-misc, an this depends on libwavpack0 and when i do apt-get install libwavpack0, the result are that the package are already installed |
| 15:56.05 | nvz | abrotman: its cold as shit up here, especially at night. |
| 15:56.10 | bjohnson | abrotman: where can I find that? |
| 15:56.25 | abrotman | !archive |
| 15:56.25 | dpkg | archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:56.33 | aarchie | I have a regular DHCP wired network connection which is auto detected & installed in Knoppix & WinXP and has been fine in Debian up until just now. I have just installed etch and the network worked during install (netinst) but after reboot the interface isn't working. ifup sends out "DHCPDISCOVER"s but doesn't get anything back. Can anyone advise? |
| 15:56.34 | abrotman | bjohnson: how much RAM? |
| 15:56.38 | diego | abrotman: dpkg -l totem-xine ii totem-xine 1.2.1-3+b1 A simple media player for the Gnome desktop |
| 15:56.39 | bjohnson | 16MB |
| 15:56.42 | bjohnson | 800MB HD |
| 15:56.49 | abrotman | bjohnson: i think the woody installer will work |
| 15:57.05 | nvz | abrotman: I dont know.. probably not unless they want me to :P afaik helix lives in jacksonville, and I have to pass there, but I am going about 200mi south of there..and I dont know where paulswm is down there |
| 15:57.13 | abrotman | diego: and `apt-cache depends totem` ? |
| 15:57.28 | POVaddct | aarchie: try running tcpdump on the dhcp server machine |
| 15:57.29 | diego | !apt-cache depends totem |
| 15:57.32 | abrotman | nvz: mickeyland afaik |
| 15:57.42 | abrotman | diego: on your machine :) |
| 15:57.53 | nvz | abrotman: never heard of it.. unless you mean Orlando |
| 15:57.55 | diego | abrotman: Depends: totem-xine Depends: totem-gstreamer :) |
| 15:58.01 | abrotman | no versions ? |
| 15:58.05 | abrotman | nvz: yes |
| 15:58.16 | diego | abrotman: no versions |
| 15:58.23 | aarchie | POVaddct: the DHCP server is a small ADSL router physical box. |
| 15:58.29 | POVaddct | aarchie: hmm |
| 15:58.48 | POVaddct | aarchie: then try windump on the XP machine |
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| 15:59.05 | abrotman | diego: how about from apt-cache show totem ? |
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| 15:59.06 | aarchie | I'm pretty sure it is working fine. Rebooting into KNoppix or WinXP allows the network to work. |
| 15:59.11 | abrotman | diego: grep Depends |
| 15:59.16 | aarchie | I don't have a seperate WinXP machine. |
| 15:59.21 | nvz | abrotman: well Orlando is like 100mi Northwest of Saint Lucie, and Jacksonville is about 200mi North.. and I will likely go through Jacksonville, but Orlando is kind of out of my way |
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| 15:59.38 | abrotman | nvz: i think your map is broken |
| 15:59.51 | POVaddct | aarchie: do you have more than one eth interface in the machine? |
| 15:59.51 | nvz | abrotman: *shrug* I am looking at google maps |
| 15:59.54 | diego | abrotman: Depends: totem-xine (= 1.2.1-3) | totem-gstreamer (= 1.2.1-3) |
| 16:00.10 | abrotman | nvz: oh wait .. nm .. i thought you meant the other way |
| 16:00.11 | bjohnson | abrotman: any idea where I can find those files? Most links / howtos point to sarge now |
| 16:00.20 | abrotman | bjohnson: looking |
| 16:00.36 | abrotman | diego: can you apt-get install totem-xine=1.2.1-3 ? |
| 16:00.38 | POVaddct | aarchie: maybe eth1394 module is loaded and results in eth0, so your real ethernet card is eth1 |
| 16:00.50 | aarchie | POVaddct: There is only one RJ45 interface. I think Linux has chosen eth1 for it. |
| 16:01.00 | aarchie | POVaddct: I think you are quite right. |
| 16:01.23 | diego | abrotman: apt-get install totem-xine=1.2.1-3 E: Version '1.2.1-3' for 'totem-xine' was not found |
| 16:01.31 | aarchie | POVaddct: It is eth1 that I'm trying to 'ifup'. |
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| 16:01.37 | abrotman | bjohnson: http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r6/jigdo/i386/ .. ISOs for woody |
| 16:01.50 | abrotman | bjohnson: *please* read the install manual first .. make sure it will work on 16MB |
| 16:01.52 | POVaddct | aarchie: try eth0. it depends on the module loading order which eth is which physical interface |
| 16:02.02 | abrotman | diego: gah .. stupid dependencies! :) |
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| 16:02.13 | diego | abrotman: yes :) |
| 16:02.13 | abrotman | !incoming |
| 16:02.13 | dpkg | incoming is probably to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
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| 16:02.33 | bjohnson | abrotman: just to complicate things further .. I only have floppy drive. Are the floppy boot images included in the isos? |
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| 16:02.46 | abrotman | bjohnson: ack! |
| 16:02.50 | abrotman | bjohnson: let me look again |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | diego: you might have to wait a few days .. or |
| 16:02.58 | aarchie | POVaddct: "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0". |
| 16:03.00 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 16:03.00 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:03.08 | abrotman | diego: try the gnome-debian channel |
| 16:03.15 | abrotman | diego: though .. they may not be active |
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| 16:03.31 | POVaddct | aarchie: eth0 is not in your /etc/network/interfaces. try manually: dhclient3 eth0 |
| 16:03.37 | diego | abrotman: ok, thanks a lot!, bye |
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| 16:03.51 | abrotman | bjohnson: http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 16:04.27 | nvz | abrotman: I am buying an iPaq off my buddy Forse to take down there with me so I can remain connected... hopefully I wont have any problems locating hotspots |
| 16:04.28 | karl_ | need help Does anyone know how to configure freeradius to do authentication over ldap |
| 16:04.45 | abrotman | nvz: google them up before you go |
| 16:04.50 | aarchie | POVaddct: Perfect! eth0 & eth1 must have been swapped between the installer and the reboot? |
| 16:05.12 | aarchie | POVaddct: Is this a known problem? |
| 16:05.17 | POVaddct | aarchie: dunno |
| 16:05.25 | nvz | abrotman: I was going to.. its just I havent met up with my partner yet since I got to Morgantown.. to find out what our hotel reservations are to know specifically where we will be |
| 16:05.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:05.29 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | nvz: nice |
| 16:05.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: briquolo kicks ass! |
| 16:06.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: you told so already |
| 16:06.02 | POVaddct | aarchie: i just noticed that my machine also has an extra eth interface due to loading of eth1394 |
| 16:06.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: add more levels! |
| 16:06.36 | nvz | abrotman: the lady I am working for is making the hotel reservations, and my partner is paying for gas and food.. and since the work is in my field.. this is like a paid vacation |
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| 16:06.42 | POVaddct | aarchie: i recently bought an external firewire hard disk. before that, i never used the firewire interface of my machine. |
| 16:06.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried this? http://www.happypenguin.org/show?bbm |
| 16:06.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: it has a level editor, make some, send them to me or upstream! |
| 16:06.59 | nvz | abrotman: I could wire up these card readers in my sleep |
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| 16:07.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: packaged? |
| 16:07.43 | aarchie | POVaddct: Ah. I see. It seems to me this is a bug in the install procedure. Should I report this somewhere? |
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| 16:07.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope |
| 16:08.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: level 4 is very hard |
| 16:08.05 | bjohnson | abrotman: thnx. One last question .. will the old install procedure format/partition the drive or should I do that first? |
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| 16:08.14 | abrotman | bjohnson: should do it for you |
| 16:08.22 | bjohnson | ok .. thanks |
| 16:08.24 | POVaddct | aarchie: don't know where. my debian system here is actually an installed knoppix, so i didn't use the debian installer. |
| 16:08.48 | POVaddct | and no, i'm not gonna ask stupid knoppix questions here :) |
| 16:08.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: bbm doesn't work .. it's python i think |
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| 16:09.01 | SonnyBurnett | can you tell me what do I need to install a webmail? |
| 16:09.12 | blondie | apt-get install squirrelmail |
| 16:09.20 | abrotman | bjohnson: or rather .. it can do it for you |
| 16:09.28 | abrotman | bjohnson: it's not magic :) |
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| 16:10.11 | nvz | eh? |
| 16:10.15 | lewis | nvz: the services shouldn't time out if I am actively using them, and sometimes the 40 mins is a lot less. what logs would you recommend checking? |
| 16:10.19 | aarchie | POVaddct: I've googled a bit & it seems to be a known bug: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/02/msg00372.html "However, after rebooting, the system swapped the names and eth0 became the ethernet card and eth1 became the firewire. To end the installation process it was necessary to change the file /etc/network/interfaces manually, typing eth0 where it contained eth1." "Known problem, with unfortunately no good known sol |
| 16:10.20 | aarchie | ution." |
| 16:10.38 | nvz | lewis: all logs. as the problem remains unknown |
| 16:10.47 | POVaddct | aarchie: ah okay |
| 16:10.56 | lewis | do you agree with me that they shouldn't time out if being actively used? |
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| 16:11.00 | nvz | lewis: I would start with known details.. the services being dropped would likely have logs |
| 16:11.15 | lewis | okies |
| 16:11.16 | nvz | lewis: I am not well enough informed to agree on anything |
| 16:11.16 | POVaddct | aarchie: btw, i wonder who uses eth1394 anyway :) |
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| 16:11.58 | nvz | lewis: in theory that should not happen.. though if your kernel or message logs show hardware failure or network trouble beyond that box then there may be reason for it |
| 16:12.16 | aarchie | POVaddct: I'd imagine it's not very common! Seems to me crazy that the default install could leave the network unusable! Just because you have 1394 port.. |
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| 16:13.20 | POVaddct | aarchie: i tried ethernet over firewire once between two notebooks. runs smoothly, as long as you don't mix kernel 2.4 and 2.6. |
| 16:13.37 | _ThePiratemaster | im re-installing pure-ftpd trough apt-get, but when i expect the blue screen with the option if i want to run it as a deamon ar trough inetd it doesnt come |
| 16:13.52 | jelly-ho | aarchie, POVaddct: but see man interfaces(5), there's a way to bind the MAC address to a particular interface. |
| 16:13.56 | _ThePiratemaster | how can i reach this "blue screen" |
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| 16:14.11 | POVaddct | jelly-ho: ah, that would be the best solution |
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| 16:14.27 | aarchie | jelly-ho: that's a good idea. i'll have a look.. |
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| 16:14.44 | jelly-ho | under KNOWN BUGS |
| 16:15.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: works fine on windows |
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| 16:15.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: stop doing that |
| 16:15.34 | abrotman | nvz: going to jersey! |
| 16:15.34 | minerale | When I mount an ntfs drive, it always defaults to 700 permission for everything, I've tied changing umask, but It still defaults to that, how can that be changed? |
| 16:15.44 | aarchie | jelly-ho: is there a reason that the installer doesn't map by MAC address initially? |
| 16:15.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: but sid doesn't run 2.4 linux kernels anymore |
| 16:15.49 | SonnyBurnett | blondie, I know that? I mean the steps, I just need squirrelmail? what about postfix, etc.... what do I need to install first? |
| 16:15.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: due the hilarious modprobe/initrd too new |
| 16:16.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: the kernel team announced a while ago they were abandoning it |
| 16:16.18 | blondie | well you need email to work first |
| 16:16.22 | abrotman | i dont' agree with the decision . bu toh well |
| 16:16.24 | blondie | install exim and imap |
| 16:16.27 | jelly-ho | aarchie: it seems it's an ugly workaround. |
| 16:16.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: my webcam/tvcard doesn't work fine with 2.6, but 2.5 |
| 16:16.30 | tarzeau | 2.4 |
| 16:16.36 | abrotman | see |
| 16:16.50 | me_here | hi folks, i'm using testing branch, what happened to libdvdcss ? any ideas ? |
| 16:16.52 | nvz | abrotman: well I guess thats exciting if you live in Philly.. heh |
| 16:16.58 | jpinto | Anyone with problems installing xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:17.06 | cahoot | aarchie: maybe look at thist hread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/01/msg00075.html |
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| 16:17.31 | Lord_Nicon | Hey all (; |
| 16:17.34 | thingfish | jpinto: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 16:17.48 | nvz | abrotman: I cant wait to get to florida.. I told all my friends I am gonna try find a post card that has a picture of a much nicer beach than the one I am on, and a bunch nude chics in the background to send the,m |
| 16:17.54 | abrotman | nvz: my brother that lives in denver is at Princeton today |
| 16:18.00 | Lord_Nicon | I got question, how can i connect in X-Chat to Polchat server? |
| 16:18.07 | abrotman | nvz: heh |
| 16:18.08 | jpinto | thingfish: thanks :) |
| 16:18.15 | abrotman | Lord_Nicon: ask #xchat |
| 16:18.20 | Lord_Nicon | Thx |
| 16:18.23 | Lord_Nicon | Cya all (; |
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| 16:18.31 | Lord_Nicon | #xchat |
| 16:18.33 | Lord_Nicon | Fuck q; |
| 16:18.34 | Lord_Nicon | Sry q; |
| 16:18.51 | nvz | you mean :q ? are you irc from vi |
| 16:19.02 | Lord_Nicon | q; = :P |
| 16:19.03 | abrotman | no .. tongue out .. winking |
| 16:19.18 | jelly-ho | nvz: it's a left handed smiley, I think |
| 16:19.25 | Lord_Nicon | (; |
| 16:19.29 | avtobiff | q-: |
| 16:19.33 | Lord_Nicon | (: |
| 16:19.46 | Lord_Nicon | I better like this smiles, than normal ';)' |
| 16:19.50 | azeem | please stop the smiley madness |
| 16:19.52 | lewis | nvz: don't see anything suspicious... |
| 16:20.26 | Lord_Nicon | q; |
| 16:20.26 | nvz | lewis: then you need more verbose logs.. you should start sshd in verbose mode and login with verbose and see if you can uncover something |
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| 16:20.47 | nvz | lewis: its hard to say without any information how to stop your services from randomly disconecting. |
| 16:20.51 | Lord_Nicon | K, g2g, cya all |
| 16:21.01 | nvz | lewis: for all I know your ferret could be chewing your ethernet cables |
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| 16:21.14 | POVaddct | watch ip a |
| 16:21.22 | nvz | :) |
| 16:21.24 | POVaddct | oops, wrong window |
| 16:21.31 | SonnyBurnett | blondie, will it work with postfix instead exim4? |
| 16:21.34 | jelly-ho | effin students |
| 16:21.53 | blondie | SonnyBurnett: probably, but I like exim :P |
| 16:22.02 | SonnyBurnett | blondie, WHY? |
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| 16:22.17 | SonnyBurnett | blondie, sorry about the upcase |
| 16:22.27 | abrotman | azeem: ok :) |
| 16:22.37 | aarchie | jelly-ho, cahoot- thanks. I'll have a look & try to put one of those solutions onto my machine. It seems to me that this is a big hurdle for new users. I guess if it is known something is being sorted out.. |
| 16:22.41 | me_here | is there any way to get libdvdcss or something similar ? |
| 16:22.43 | blondie | dunno, just do |
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| 16:23.21 | b4db0y | how to make a .tar.gz out of a dir? |
| 16:23.27 | abrotman | man tar? |
| 16:23.28 | azeem | me_here: marillat has it |
| 16:23.31 | azeem | !marillat |
| 16:23.31 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 16:23.31 | jelly-ho | arpwatch had been naggin me with lots of emails, by the looks of it there was a malware which took every ip in our range. Turned out it was a student with a laptop, trying to avoid RapidShare's 50MB/ip limit... in the meantime knocking over every other computer's ip. |
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| 16:24.09 | b4db0y | what? |
| 16:24.18 | me_here | azeem: thag u veri butch :) |
| 16:24.26 | azeem | b4db0y: read the documentation |
| 16:24.27 | me_here | *sniff* |
| 16:24.32 | Eclipser | how can I convert all images in one directory into subdirectory "small", like convert -scale 50% bleh.jpg small/bleh.jpg |
| 16:24.37 | Eclipser | but in a loop ? :) |
| 16:24.56 | jelly-ho | Eclipser: you said it: in a loop. |
| 16:25.03 | cahoot | Eclipser: mogrigy? |
| 16:25.05 | pdbogen | for i in *;do convert -scale 50% "$i" "small/$i";done |
| 16:25.12 | cahoot | Eclipser: mogrify |
| 16:25.16 | Eclipser | jelly-ho, yes but I have absolutely no idea how to make such loop :> |
| 16:25.30 | jelly-ho | Eclipser: what pdbogen said ^^^ |
| 16:25.48 | Eclipser | thanks everyone :> |
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| 16:26.30 | me_here | azeem: what is testing now pointing to sid or etch ? |
| 16:26.46 | azeem | me_here: please ask the whole channel, not individuals |
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| 16:27.00 | me_here | azeem: ok |
| 16:27.21 | me_here | what is testing branch pointing to ? sid or etch ? |
| 16:27.30 | Firehand | etch |
| 16:27.49 | me_here | ah i see it's etch |
| 16:27.54 | abrotman | what i really want to know is .. how the hell do people eat mushrooms? |
| 16:27.54 | me_here | problem solved |
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| 16:28.36 | bastioninc | hello apache2 do not run any php web pages, but php4 is installed |
| 16:28.51 | tkup | I have this quota system running but it's not updating the used blocks of the users. it seems like it stopped recalculating those blocks. I rechecked the quota a few days ago and it rebuild fine. but still the users didn't have their quota usage blocks updated. and then I rebuilt it yesterday but this time the quotacheck ended with a segmentation fault. What is going on wrong? |
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| 16:29.04 | Eclipser | bastioninc, install apache2-modpython4 or something like that |
| 16:29.07 | abrotman | bastioninc: is libapache2-mod-php4 installed? |
| 16:29.12 | Eclipser | bastioninc, err s/python/php/ |
| 16:29.21 | Eclipser | (python > php :p) |
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| 16:32.10 | ifvoid | are there any tar-like utils that can create multi-volume files? |
| 16:32.37 | ifvoid | I need to temporarily store 20GB on a vfat disk |
| 16:32.45 | mortal__ | dd |
| 16:32.59 | netfrog | tgz ? |
| 16:33.17 | bastioninc | abrotman: libapache2-mod-php4 is installed, still do not working |
| 16:33.27 | lutra | i like norbert's post on pdo 'ubuntu on my laptop' |
| 16:33.34 | abrotman | is it enabled? |
| 16:33.50 | ifvoid | mortal__: hwo will that help? |
| 16:34.15 | ifvoid | netfrog: no, that doesn't work, as vfat can't handle > 4GB files |
| 16:34.29 | loumz | ifvoid: tar ... | split ? |
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| 16:34.39 | bastioninc | abrotman: /etc/init.d/apache2 start ---> Invalid command 'php_flag', failed! to start apache2 |
| 16:34.59 | ifvoid | loumz: split can split from stdin to file? |
| 16:35.10 | loumz | ifvoid: yes |
| 16:35.18 | ifvoid | ahhh |
| 16:35.19 | ifvoid | great |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | bastioninc: your apache config is broken ? |
| 16:35.49 | netfrog | ifvoid, on restore you just "cat x y z | tar ..." |
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| 16:36.29 | bastioninc | abrotman: NO, my apapche is correct, i was working on apt-get update, and suddenly found tha apache2 was removed from server (by apt-get probably) |
| 16:36.38 | Gallo-7 | hi ... no one can help me please ? |
| 16:36.41 | bastioninc | abrotman: My we page was down and apache also |
| 16:36.43 | nvz | well I think I am about to step out for a minute you'll hardly notice I am gone especially if you have me on ignore :P |
| 16:37.18 | lutra | does the etch installer beta2 have support for wireless cards? |
| 16:37.24 | lutra | i've got an orinoco gold pc card |
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| 16:37.37 | abrotman | some cards it does |
| 16:38.03 | Gallo-7 | i have mount my hdb and i can't write in there because i don't have a permission |
| 16:38.04 | benkong2 | yo all almost got my thinkpad set up yahoo Debian etch |
| 16:38.11 | lutra | hrmm... |
| 16:38.16 | blondie | yahoo? |
| 16:38.16 | ifvoid | Gallo-7: also not as root? |
| 16:38.30 | abrotman | blondie: redneck for "yay" ? |
| 16:38.40 | Gallo-7 | so ... i try the command chown -R myuser:myuser * |
| 16:38.43 | blondie | oh I thought it was a website :P |
| 16:38.45 | POVaddct | hehe, qemu's savevm feature rocks |
| 16:38.49 | benkong2 | if i just aptitude install xfce4 will it give me xdm also when I reboot? |
| 16:38.50 | Gallo-7 | but don't work |
| 16:39.01 | benkong2 | i am just in the terminal now |
| 16:39.02 | ifvoid | !doesn't work |
| 16:39.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:39.06 | abrotman | benkong2: just grab xdm too |
| 16:39.16 | benkong2 | abrotman: k thanks |
| 16:39.23 | lutra | abrotman: does it list supported cards on debian.org anywhere? |
| 16:39.39 | Gallo-7 | ifvoid, when you speak italian like me i speak english like you... ok ? |
| 16:39.43 | bastioninc | how to reinstall apache2 server witchout loosing user configuration |
| 16:39.50 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 16:39.50 | dpkg | kernel configs is probably found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
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| 16:40.09 | benkong2 | I don't want kde or gnome trying to build a quick fast java/ruby developmen t |
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| 16:40.52 | xomhau | hi all , i install driver ati for ati PCI E X700 , how to write into file xorg.conf ( xorg-6.9 )? |
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| 16:42.38 | benkong2 | part |
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| 16:43.07 | StijnT | lol |
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| 16:43.56 | sollust | what's the best way to get help with sound? |
| 16:44.08 | Angels2 | speak? |
| 16:44.17 | sollust | okay...why doesn't my sound work? |
| 16:44.25 | azeem | sollust: what did you try? |
| 16:44.36 | sollust | well, that's the thing. It works sometimes |
| 16:44.42 | sollust | like the termbell works |
| 16:44.45 | sollust | but not xmms |
| 16:44.48 | azeem | sollust: so your initial statement was wrong |
| 16:45.05 | azeem | sollust: lsmod | grep snd, does that yield anything? |
| 16:45.08 | sollust | or gnome apps |
| 16:45.23 | me_here | bye for now |
| 16:45.34 | sollust | azeem: nope |
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| 16:45.55 | sollust | azeem: it worked the other day, though |
| 16:45.55 | azeem | sollust: what kernel are you running? What version of Debian? |
| 16:46.01 | sollust | 2.4.27 |
| 16:46.07 | sollust | powerpc |
| 16:46.10 | azeem | sollust: what do you mean with "the other day"? On the same system? |
| 16:46.12 | abrotman | alsa or oss ? |
| 16:46.14 | sollust | testing |
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| 16:46.24 | sollust | abrotman: not sure, to be honest |
| 16:46.52 | abrotman | might be a good thing to know |
| 16:47.19 | sollust | yeah...but that goes back to "it works sometimes" |
| 16:47.27 | azeem | sollust: does lsmod | grep sound yield something? |
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| 16:47.56 | sollust | azeem: no |
| 16:48.04 | Juiop | Hi, I have a CD with mp3 files, what is the way to burnd a audio cd with these file? |
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| 16:48.19 | Juiop | I need to convert mp3 to wav or something like this? |
| 16:48.23 | Juiop | what is the way? |
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| 16:48.38 | bastioninc | apache2 do not displays php web pages, what to do? |
| 16:48.45 | valdyn | Juiop: try k3b or gnomebaker or graveman, those tools can do this for you |
| 16:49.06 | Juiop | valdyn k3b converts mp3 to wav automatically? |
| 16:49.32 | valdyn | Juiop: no idea, wav is not what is on audio cds anyway |
| 16:49.45 | sollust | azeem: I don't remember the command to test on the command line for sound |
| 16:49.53 | Juiop | using cdrecord is possible? |
| 16:49.58 | sollust | /dev/audio something |
| 16:50.06 | netfrog | i thin wav is exactly what's there. cdrecord can burn wav's and it's ok |
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| 16:50.14 | valdyn | Juiop: cdrecord can take wavs iirc |
| 16:50.31 | azeem | sollust: do you have either /dev/dsp or /dev/audio? |
| 16:50.41 | valdyn | Juiop: crecord -dev=foo -audio 1.wav 2.wav ... |
| 16:50.51 | zinx | 16-bit 44100Hz stereo PCM is what's on audio CDs, and some wavs are nearly exactly that format |
| 16:50.53 | valdyn | Juiop: read the manpage yourself please |
| 16:50.55 | zinx | apart from the header |
| 16:50.59 | bastioninc | apache2 start --> Invalid command php_flag in /etc/apache2/conf.d and apache2 do not display PHP pages! |
| 16:51.07 | sollust | azeem: I think /dev/audio |
| 16:51.19 | netfrog | zinx, cdrecord takes care of the header then ? |
| 16:51.25 | Juiop | valdyn yes, but if the file is a mp3 ?? |
| 16:51.26 | zinx | netfrog: of course |
| 16:51.41 | netfrog | zinx, just to make sure i understand it ... |
| 16:51.42 | zinx | it would be silly to have exactly the format that's on the CD, because the CD just has raw PCM without a header |
| 16:51.59 | zinx | wav makes much more sense, so all the burning apps support it. |
| 16:52.22 | zinx | and all they have to do is remove the header and pad the end if the audio's not a multiple of 2352 bytes |
| 16:52.45 | holdenSK | mpg123 has option for producing audio tracks (--cdr IIRC) |
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| 16:52.49 | sollust | azeem: if I try to run a sound file *.au > /dev/audio I get permission denied |
| 16:52.54 | netfrog | zinx, pad with zeros or something special? |
| 16:53.02 | sollust | azeem: same as /dev/dsp |
| 16:53.05 | zinx | netfrog: usually with zeros, yes |
| 16:53.13 | Angels2 | whats the best place (file) to insert modules which should be loaded on startup? |
| 16:53.13 | sollust | azeem: even as root |
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| 16:53.46 | azeem | sollust: well sorry, I don't know much about sound problems on powerpc |
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| 16:53.58 | Juiop | which progran converts mp3 to wav? |
| 16:54.13 | cahoot | Juiop: lame |
| 16:54.15 | sollust | azeem: you are still helping. :-) |
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| 16:54.38 | netfrog | Juiop, "lame" on 32bit platforms |
| 16:54.51 | stoneage | when will we see xgl/compiz at debian ?? |
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| 16:55.11 | sollust | azeem: I think it may be app related... |
| 16:55.16 | sollust | or gnome replated |
| 16:55.20 | azeem | netfrog: no, lame does it the other way round |
| 16:55.30 | cahoot | azeem: either |
| 16:55.35 | POVaddct | azeem: lame can do both ways |
| 16:55.38 | netfrog | azeem, iirc both ways. look at switches |
| 16:55.57 | azeem | mpg321 does it fine, there's no need to recommend packages which are not in Debian |
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| 16:56.32 | netfrog | azeem, good. it's even available on amd64 ;) |
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| 16:57.22 | owenh | I am considering switching to Debian from Fedora on an amd64 system. If I get the testing images, can I use apt to upgrade to stable when it is released? |
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| 16:57.51 | sollust | owenh: yes |
| 16:58.02 | valdyn | owenh: not if you stick to 'testing', yes if you stick to etch |
| 16:58.20 | owenh | I just want to use stable as soon as it is available. |
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| 16:58.32 | owenh | But I don't really want to wait for stable. :) |
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| 16:58.48 | valdyn | owenh: feel free to install testing, but you must replace 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list with 'etch' |
| 16:59.00 | cshaman | Is there a hex editor for linux? |
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| 16:59.13 | zinx | cshaman: several |
| 16:59.19 | josep | hexedit |
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| 16:59.32 | zinx | cshaman: apt-cache search hex editor |
| 16:59.36 | owenh | valdyn: I do that replacement when stable is released? |
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| 16:59.58 | netfrog | owenh, you don't "etch" becomes stable |
| 17:00.44 | cshaman | zinx: thanks. |
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| 17:01.18 | jlamr | does anyone how to check which perl modules I have installed? |
| 17:01.36 | owenh | netfrog: So I just replace 'testing' with 'etch' and apt takes care of it as packages are updated? |
| 17:01.39 | benkong2 | ok i'm confused I did aptitude install xdm tried update-rc.d xdm default but it doesn't work |
| 17:01.48 | sollust | owenh: yup, |
| 17:01.57 | benkong2 | any good docs on setting up xfce4 on debian etch |
| 17:02.00 | sollust | owenh: but right now, etch == testing |
| 17:02.04 | netfrog | owenh, you do that as soon as you can edit the file. |
| 17:02.28 | sollust | owenh: at some point in the future, etch will == stable |
| 17:03.19 | valdyn | owenh: you do that replacement asap, so you dont forget |
| 17:03.36 | owenh | Okay, that helps; thanks to you all |
| 17:03.52 | valdyn | owenh: it will only have an effect after etch is frozen |
| 17:03.54 | benkong2 | how do I add xdm to the default run level? |
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| 17:04.13 | zinx | benkong2: it's there by default if you use the debian package to install it |
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| 17:04.32 | cahoot | benkong2: using etch/testing? |
| 17:04.38 | benkong2 | zinx: I did a reboot and it did not start |
| 17:04.39 | owenh | valdyn: OK |
| 17:04.43 | benkong2 | yes etch |
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| 17:05.12 | cahoot | benkong2: somenone mentioned earlier the script points to the wrong dir for xdm |
| 17:05.28 | benkong2 | cahoot:hmmm |
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| 17:05.45 | J_P | hi all |
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| 17:06.06 | roler | Is linux supposed to be able to suspend? Or no? |
| 17:06.31 | valdyn | roler: depends on your hardware and kernel |
| 17:06.34 | Blissex | roler: yes, but it is not totally reliable. Not to disk though, only to RAM. |
| 17:06.43 | valdyn | Blissex: both |
| 17:06.44 | gozz | could somone tell me why this is? |
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| 17:06.54 | gozz | xserver-xorg-video-ati: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 1:0.99.0-1) but it is not installable |
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| 17:06.57 | roler | What kernel options do I look at?I run 2.6.16 |
| 17:07.02 | bastioninc | help: how to list all installed packages on debian? |
| 17:07.04 | roler | right now my system freezes when I close the lid, and it sucks |
| 17:07.06 | Blissex | valdyn: suspend-to-disk is very unreliable last I saw... |
| 17:07.12 | valdyn | roler: you probably look at a howto for your specific system |
| 17:07.29 | benkong2 | how do I fix the script cahoot ? |
| 17:07.35 | ft | Blissex: depends on hardware suspend2 runs flawless on my laptop |
| 17:07.36 | valdyn | Blissex: depends on your hardware, and in fact specific hardware needs specific workarounds, but once setup its fine |
| 17:07.38 | gozz | why would it be not installable? |
| 17:07.53 | Blissex | roler: the most reliable thing is to keep it running. What may be happening is that your GNU/Linux is actually trying to suspend and crashes. |
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| 17:08.21 | roler | ahh |
| 17:08.22 | valdyn | Blissex: for example, i have to disable one specific sl-modem-daemon, that is all |
| 17:08.32 | benkong2 | cahoot: an ls -al of /etc/init.d/ does not show a link to the xdm |
| 17:08.35 | AnisFarhana | greetings |
| 17:08.38 | Blissex | valdyn: you are fairly lucky :-) |
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| 17:09.02 | valdyn | Blissex: guess so |
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| 17:09.08 | J_P | people, anyone have setup cluster with Debian Linux ? Do you know some tutorial for this ? |
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| 17:09.46 | Blissex | J_P: you can download several Debian-derived liveCDs that setup clusters automagically, at least cluster in the OpenMosix sense. |
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| 17:10.14 | zamaliphe | any one know this error |
| 17:10.15 | zamaliphe | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 17:10.15 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.27 | smmusashi | I install skype in Debian sarge, but my microphone don't work, i hear I'am speaking but in skype this not work |
| 17:10.43 | SimonRaven | zamaliphe: run dselect update again |
| 17:10.43 | smmusashi | i have a sound card audigy 2 |
| 17:10.46 | jesperj | I want to disable the console backspace sound. If i have understood correctly I need to get a program called tic and compile a termcap file or something similar |
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| 17:10.55 | jesperj | what deb installs tic |
| 17:11.01 | J_P | Blissex: what is url for this live cds ? |
| 17:11.05 | SimonRaven | zamaliphe: might need to rm that file first (it's regenerated upon an dselect update) |
| 17:11.10 | valdyn | !beep |
| 17:11.11 | dpkg | i guess beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 17:11.16 | Blissex | J_P: try for example Quantian and Parallel Knoppix. |
| 17:11.18 | smmusashi | I use alsa for detect my sound card |
| 17:11.23 | SimonRaven | !fuck skype |
| 17:11.27 | J_P | Blissex: ok! |
| 17:11.48 | SimonRaven | @fuck skype |
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| 17:12.14 | nvz | SimonRaven: over 100 Million Users!! |
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| 17:12.33 | zamaliphe | the full error is |
| 17:12.34 | zamaliphe | #flood root@zam:/home/zam# apt-get remove konversation |
| 17:12.38 | zamaliphe | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:12.42 | SimonRaven | right. even if that were true, doesn't mean it's worth it or good |
| 17:12.42 | zamaliphe | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 17:12.46 | zamaliphe | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 17:12.50 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.54 | zamaliphe | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 17:12.58 | zamaliphe | Need to get 0B of archives. |
| 17:13.02 | zamaliphe | After unpacking 9777kB disk space will be freed. |
| 17:13.06 | zamaliphe | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 17:13.06 | SimonRaven | stop fucking pasting here |
| 17:13.07 | ft | zamaliphe: don't paste into the channel. |
| 17:13.08 | cahoot | SimonRaven: but - usable |
| 17:13.10 | zamaliphe | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 17:13.15 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.18 | zamaliphe | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 17:13.37 | SimonRaven | debhelper kick him/her already |
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| 17:13.50 | SimonRaven | @gravity |
| 17:13.50 | ravenbird | gravity doesn't exist, the universe sucks |
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| 17:14.07 | gravity | Thanks :-) |
| 17:14.10 | valdyn | zamaliphe: i believe you can just remove that file and run apt-get update |
| 17:14.22 | SimonRaven | that's called word play people ;) |
| 17:14.24 | SimonRaven | gravity: :) |
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| 17:14.39 | SimonRaven | valdyn: available isn't updated with apt-get |
| 17:15.00 | minerale | how do I download the linux headers for my kernel? I have 2.6.15-20 ... and the apt-cache only shows 15-21 ... (amd64) |
| 17:15.01 | yggdrasil | can somone tell me why ,.. when i boot up tis sits there for about 15 seconds and then starts up starting mta: spits out exim4 ... jsut kind of annoys me .. i want a fast boot |
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| 17:15.05 | nvz | SimonRaven: are you serious it was on news.google.com, its got to be true!! and that of course means its good. |
| 17:15.11 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:15.15 | SimonRaven | heheh |
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| 17:15.20 | valdyn | SimonRaven: how is it updated? |
| 17:15.37 | SimonRaven | /lastlog SimonRaven |
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| 17:16.44 | yggdrasil | starting mta: can somone tell me why ,.. when i boot up tis sits there for about 15 seconds and then starts up starting mta: spits out exim4 ... jsut kind of annoys me .. i want a fast boot |
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| 17:17.03 | SimonRaven | !tell yggdrasil -about repeat |
| 17:17.06 | jnc | it's usually pretty good, but there's not much to say bad journalism won't cause a fake news item to show up |
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| 17:17.57 | Naz_ | #proftpd is dead |
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| 17:18.02 | Naz_ | so, |
| 17:18.07 | yggdrasil | i thought i did rephrase it a bit. |
| 17:18.10 | Naz_ | I installed Proftpd on my new debian system |
| 17:18.14 | SimonRaven | have you sat there and counted ? i doubt it's 15 seconds for exim4 to start up, unless you have fubar dns |
| 17:18.18 | Naz_ | but when it tries to start up, |
| 17:18.24 | Naz_ | it says: getaddrinfo 'server1.islelife.net' error: Name or service not known |
| 17:18.31 | Naz_ | and kills itself |
| 17:18.37 | Naz_ | I have used that FQDN for a while |
| 17:18.46 | Naz_ | I don't know what's wrong |
| 17:18.49 | SimonRaven | it can't find it |
| 17:18.53 | Naz_ | can someone help? |
| 17:19.42 | dabreegster | I can't find a bug report for this, but xserver-xorg-core isn't available in testing and xserver-xorg-input and -video are referring to it. |
| 17:19.50 | yggdrasil | simonraven i might have dns messed |
| 17:19.52 | yggdrasil | ill check |
| 17:19.54 | Naz_ | anyone? |
| 17:20.09 | Blissex | Naz_: that domain does not exist... |
| 17:20.17 | Naz_ | islelife.net? |
| 17:20.19 | yggdrasil | simonraven is it looking for internal (lan) dns or wan dns ? |
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| 17:20.24 | SimonRaven | Naz_: like i said, it can't find it |
| 17:20.35 | ratmanus | exit |
| 17:20.37 | ratmanus | quit |
| 17:20.48 | SimonRaven | yggdrasil: htf should i know? i don't know your configuration |
| 17:20.53 | Naz_ | then how do I change it? |
| 17:21.12 | aarchie | join #debian-boot |
| 17:21.25 | Blissex | Naz_: |
| 17:21.25 | Blissex | $ host server1.islelife.net |
| 17:21.25 | Blissex | Host server1.islelife.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 17:21.35 | _ThePiratemaster | im re-installing pure-ftpd trough apt-get, but when i expect the blue screen with the option if i want to run it as a deamon ar trough inetd it doesnt come |
| 17:21.38 | _ThePiratemaster | how can i reach this "blue screen" |
| 17:21.38 | jesperj | I want to disable the console backspace sound. If i have understood correctly I need to get a program called tic and compile a termcap file or something similar. Cand find a deb to install tic |
| 17:21.56 | Naz_ | how do I change it? |
| 17:21.56 | Blissex | Naz: 'www.islelife.net' however exists. |
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| 17:22.31 | yggdrasil | well what the hell is mta |
| 17:22.43 | Dunedan | mail transfer agent ;-) |
| 17:22.47 | yggdrasil | ahh |
| 17:22.48 | Naz_ | how do I change it? |
| 17:22.58 | SimonRaven | _ThePiratemaster: dpkg-reconfigure -plow <package name> |
| 17:23.09 | yggdrasil | i have only extrenal dns server listed |
| 17:23.15 | _ThePiratemaster | and the screen is supposed to just show up? |
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| 17:23.41 | SimonRaven | yes, since you ran that command. that's what it is, debconf |
| 17:23.50 | Naz_ | I'm following the Perfect Setup for debian sare |
| 17:23.53 | Naz_ | sarge* |
| 17:24.01 | _ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 17:24.03 | Naz_ | I've done this before the same way |
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| 17:24.12 | _ThePiratemaster | bluescreen is nog knows as debconf:P |
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| 17:24.32 | SimonRaven | i call it the blue screen of configuration |
| 17:24.37 | SimonRaven | BSOC |
| 17:25.50 | ddfreyne | How can I get a list of installed packages (using apt)? |
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| 17:25.51 | SimonRaven | use dpkg; man dpkg; /-l |
| 17:25.51 | Blissex | Naz_: depends on what you want to do. |
| 17:25.52 | SimonRaven | dpkg -l grep -E '^.i' |
| 17:25.52 | dpkg | ii grep -E '^.i' 1.7-11.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:25.52 | SimonRaven | woops |
| 17:25.52 | SimonRaven | dpkg -l | grep -E '^.i' |
| 17:25.53 | dpkg | ii | grep -E '^.i' 1.8-15.1 simonraven's private porn collection |
| 17:26.02 | SimonRaven | ohnoz!!11! |
| 17:26.19 | cshaman | How do you all organize your home directories? |
| 17:26.24 | jelly-ho | SimonRaven: is it available on a repo? |
| 17:26.31 | cshaman | I am pretty unorganized at the moment. |
| 17:26.41 | SimonRaven | i don't have one, hence no |
| 17:26.46 | dabreegster | cshaman: It depends. Type of file. My writings, my code, my projects, my pictures, etc. |
| 17:26.55 | dabreegster | cshaman: And then a misc folder for random stuff. |
| 17:26.56 | bucky | filemaker pro |
| 17:27.22 | cahoot | cshaman: doing some kind of asperger poll here? |
| 17:27.22 | SimonRaven | and leave out the spaces .... |
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| 17:28.01 | cshaman | cahoot: No. I am unorganize and need some ideas. |
| 17:28.13 | cshaman | (disorganized?) |
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| 17:28.33 | SimonRaven | yeh, though 'disorganised' is the proper spelling ;) |
| 17:28.54 | alison | how do I install a testing package on a system with an /etc/apt/preferences file (s900-t400-u300) please, specifically gtk-gnutella;) |
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| 17:29.08 | thingfish | in american english, SimonRaven, it's disorganized. |
| 17:29.19 | SimonRaven | alison: shouldn't mix sources like that |
| 17:29.31 | cshaman | I've read of some people that break up their files into dates, such as ~/2006/04/29/ |
| 17:29.34 | SimonRaven | thingfish: that's not english, that's amurkin |
| 17:29.37 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:29.43 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 17:29.46 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 17:29.51 | dabreegster | Anybody happen to know why starting x.org confuses screen with the console resolution (the resolution remains the same, but screen only uses 80x25 and leaves the rest blank) if it's been changed by svgatextmode and also why it "slows" the keyboard repeat rate delay down if it's been changed by kbdrate? |
| 17:30.02 | yggdrasil | yea it was my dns i gather. |
| 17:30.02 | cshaman | ...and run a bash script to update symlinks in the home dir so when they "cd today", it goes to the current directory |
| 17:30.04 | yggdrasil | dump me |
| 17:30.06 | alison | SimonRaven: what kind of mix is better? how do the 900/400/300 numbers translate into versions anyway? |
| 17:30.07 | yggdrasil | dumb me |
| 17:30.18 | SimonRaven | eh? |
| 17:30.24 | yggdrasil | oh |
| 17:30.26 | yggdrasil | jsut |
| 17:30.31 | yggdrasil | ill tell you in a sec |
| 17:30.51 | alison | SimonRaven: I got that mix by following some online apt-pinning for beginners instructions |
| 17:30.55 | nvz | cshaman: you can put that in a cronjob |
| 17:30.59 | SimonRaven | alison: shouldn't mix stable with testing nor unstable. you're asking for trouble. testing and unstable, with pinning at one of them is safer |
| 17:31.15 | cshaman | nvz: Yes, though first I need to learn how to write bash scripts :) |
| 17:31.22 | SimonRaven | alison: the person who wrote that should be LARTed |
| 17:31.26 | cshaman | But nonetheless I thought it was a clever idea |
| 17:31.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | can the debian / be placed on an extended/logical partition? |
| 17:31.50 | SimonRaven | alison: they' |
| 17:31.56 | SimonRaven | re not versions |
| 17:32.12 | SimonRaven | man apt_preferences |
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| 17:32.22 | alison | Would I need to install a chroot just to get gtk-gnutella working on a stable system then? |
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| 17:32.48 | SimonRaven | though you *can* put versions there, those numbers aren't. the translation depends on what's in the repos |
| 17:33.07 | SimonRaven | get it from backports.org or build it yourself |
| 17:33.24 | alison | Ahh. Good Idea. Thanks. |
| 17:33.30 | SimonRaven | using the etch or sid one; running debuild or something |
| 17:34.46 | ACU | Hi guys - Question: I have a 6 Gb file in a computer I want to burn it on a DVD RW - I did format it quickly wit K3B but it does not show on the desktop ---- now if I use k3b to write it like a project - would do write once or I will be able to rewrite -------- Is anyway that I cann connect two Debian computers trhrough USB? |
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| 17:37.05 | Coweater | ACU: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ has a summary of usb networking devices and support |
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| 17:37.46 | vin` | DJ-Marcuzz: yes. |
| 17:38.44 | ACU | thanks |
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| 17:41.59 | jesperj | I want to disable the console backspace sound. If i have understood correctly I need to get a program called tic and compile a termcap file or something similar. Cand find a deb to install tic |
| 17:44.00 | nse | hda2 is not being properly mounted in /home, do i have to add ext3 to the -t option in the mount call inside the initialization script /etc/init.d/mountall.sh? |
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| 17:46.52 | ACU | Simplest question you might have: I have two computers one is Debian sarge i386 one Ubuntu PowePC I just want to transfer a file from Ubuntu to debian - I have a Hub and connected both computers - What do I need to do ? |
| 17:47.12 | antoniojulio | please , howto make a cdrom for apt, or http repository? |
| 17:47.12 | h3xis | acu, set up samba? |
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| 17:48.19 | ACU | h3xis: is not a quiz - I am setup to do it in next 20 minutes - so you sugest to setup-samba ---- how ? |
| 17:48.41 | h3xis | acu, apt-get update, then apt-get install samba |
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| 17:48.58 | h3xis | acu, then edit your smb.conf file in /etc/samba. you specify shares and what not there |
| 17:49.19 | nvz | I think he needs to know how to setup the network and all.. i.e. there is no network existing, he just has a hub to make one |
| 17:49.39 | h3xis | hubs. gross :p |
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| 17:50.17 | nvz | personally I would just toss both drives in one pc and cp the files. if I had no existing network and had to set a bunch of crap up |
| 17:50.18 | zam-aliphe | evrey one the same error |
| 17:50.19 | zam-aliphe | dpkg -i opera_9.0-20060411.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb |
| 17:50.19 | zam-aliphe | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 17:50.19 | zam-aliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.23 | sepski | ACU : assign ip addresses to both computers using the interfaces file (man interfaces) in the same subnet. use scp (man scp) to transfer the file. |
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| 17:52.53 | shogunx | h3xis one could say the same about the smb protcol, particularly when not absolutely necessary. |
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| 17:53.01 | ACU | antoniojulio: I am working on that and I did not finish the project ---- but you can dowload (from example from Backport.org) using wget -------- be carefull that you have to exclude or .deb for architectures you are not interested then I guess burn it in a CD rom and modiified |
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| 17:53.23 | h3xis | shogunx, true |
| 17:53.23 | ACU | sepski and h3xis - how can I save this chat screen ? |
| 17:53.23 | plundra | Is there a similar tool to xev, but for curses instead? |
| 17:53.36 | zamaliphe | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 17:53.38 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.47 | nvz | zamaliphe: stop pasting in here |
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| 17:53.50 | sepski | ACU, depends on your irc client |
| 17:54.02 | [LobSter] | hi all |
| 17:54.03 | sepski | ACU, if it's in X you can cut and paste it |
| 17:54.46 | nvz | zamaliphe: that error is in plain english, what it your problem exactly? do you not understand english or what? |
| 17:54.47 | sepski | nvz, ipaddress and broadcast address in interfaces file and ifup eth0 is not much :) |
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| 17:55.36 | nvz | sepski: oh well running two pcs, cables.. all that if its not already setup is a waste of time and energy from my point of view |
| 17:56.03 | shogunx | nvz particularly when a cross-connect would do. |
| 17:56.18 | zamaliphe | nvz: what this error meen |
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| 17:57.10 | nvz | zamaliphe: means that there was a parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: EOF after field name `' |
| 17:57.11 | ACU | OK I got it - Window - Save Text ---- see you guys soon-----but before I go ---- what is the internal network IP used like 127.?.?.? |
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| 17:57.21 | sepski | acu no that's loopback |
| 17:57.28 | h3xis | 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:57.37 | sepski | acu use 192.168.0.10 on debian and 192.168.0.11 on ubuntu |
| 17:57.43 | sepski | 255.255.255.0 as netmask on both |
| 17:57.59 | shogunx | zamaliphe it maens that /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted slightly, and needs manual repair to restore the syntax to functional order. |
| 17:58.27 | sepski | ACU, lo interface should allways have 127.0.0.1 and dont touch thatone |
| 17:58.30 | nvz | zamaliphe: you could start with what you did to corrupt your available file, and what version of debian you seem to think you are running |
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| 17:59.18 | LunarC | I'm thinking of doing a sarge->etch upgrade now, I'm about to take a backup of my root partition, is there anything else I should do/know before doing the upgrade? |
| 17:59.49 | ACU | Thanks I am going to try it in next three minuts with Micro$oft I can do this operation in 45 seconds - I am curios I long it takes with two Linux boxes ------ THANKS to sepki and h3xis |
| 18:00.26 | h3xis | o.O |
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| 18:01.05 | SimonRaven | . o O ( probably faster ...) |
| 18:01.40 | aarchie | LunarC: You may have problems with network interface names changing caused by udev. This is fixed in unstable but isn't in etch yet. |
| 18:01.57 | wireddd | ACU well you could use scp to transfer the file |
| 18:02.00 | nvz | echo -e "iface inet eth0 static \n address 10.0.0.10" > /etc/network/interfaces; ifup eth0; scp foo user@10.0.0.11:/bar/ |
| 18:02.05 | nvz | wow that took a long time |
| 18:02.12 | nvz | how many clicks did that take in windows? |
| 18:02.16 | zamaliphe | nvz: whats happens if i delete the file |
| 18:02.24 | sepski | ACU from scratch with equal knowledge of linux and windows it would take a lot longer then 45 seconds just to get the network properties panel up on both windowses |
| 18:02.37 | nvz | zamaliphe: everything goes back to working but you'll wish you were dead eventually |
| 18:02.47 | pipeline | aarchie: The only way to "fix" any udev problem is to remove udev entirely and use static device files. udev will make you wish you were dead |
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| 18:02.58 | nvz | zamaliphe: file missing or corrupted you are in a bad way cause dpkg no longer knows whats going on |
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| 18:03.36 | LunarC | aarchie, thanks for the reply |
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| 18:04.26 | aarchie | pipeline: i thought udev was standard with a debian install. are you saying there's a better way? |
| 18:04.34 | aarchie | LunarC: no problem. |
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| 18:05.53 | zamaliphe | so how to make dpkg re creat /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 18:06.41 | aarchie | LunarC: if you are caught by this it seems there are a number of possible solutions. Probably best to check back here if your network doesn't work post-upgrade. |
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| 18:07.02 | LunarC | ok |
| 18:07.08 | LunarC | I've got only 1 card anyways |
| 18:08.01 | aarchie | LunarC: Me too. I was caught out because it gave an ethX name to my 1394 port. |
| 18:08.11 | LunarC | ah, ok |
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| 18:09.29 | bastioninc | hello : i need to talk on prv witch advanced admin : topic debian+apache+php4+configuration |
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| 18:10.10 | amoi | hello |
| 18:10.13 | amoi | i got 13300: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) when i mount from debian to win. what it wrong? |
| 18:10.17 | nse | how can.. my /etc/fstab file is not mounting hda2 in /home properly, on the other hand a regular mount is doing the job. if the regular mount was not mouting it also it would sound like a bad disk or bad filesystem. what can i do? i was playing around with /etc/init.d/mountall.sh that mount everything calling mount with the -a option that mounts everything in /etc/fstab, maybe adding ext3 to the -t option will help something? is there any |
| 18:10.17 | Taa5i_ | Is there a way to have ping and traceroute on a Debian install floppy? I am having great difficulty with my laptop's pcmcia network card, and not having those tools makes it much harder to diagnose. |
| 18:11.25 | zamaliphe | nvz: thanks alot |
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| 18:16.03 | nse | my problem do not have solution |
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| 18:18.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | how is that floppy that lets your pc boot from cdrom called? |
| 18:18.35 | Angels2 | bootdisk? :P |
| 18:18.50 | pdbogen | I've never heard of such a thing, but it does seem feasible. |
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| 18:19.13 | yggdrasil | how do i copy an entire directory... i do cp but it always says omitting direcotry |
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| 18:19.42 | Adrian | yggdrasil: man cp |
| 18:19.46 | yggdrasil | ha |
| 18:20.03 | wubrgamer | hey guys, i have some questions on dhcp3 on an ubuntu installation, i am a very very much so n00b but desperatly would appreciate a reply or PM, i am trying to network install ubuntu over PXE |
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| 18:20.27 | thingfish | wubrgamer: you'll need to go to #ubuntu. |
| 18:20.48 | wubrgamer | hee, well i'm also a irc n00b and got "banned" for "flooding" |
| 18:21.12 | wubrgamer | i'll do whatever you guys say i need to but i am really desperate |
| 18:21.14 | thingfish | wubrgamer: it was probably only temporary ban; go back and try again. |
| 18:21.18 | wubrgamer | i did |
| 18:21.28 | wubrgamer | i'm not sure how to get unbanned |
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| 18:21.35 | wubrgamer | it's been like a week |
| 18:21.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | found it, its called Smart Boot Manager |
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| 18:22.05 | wubrgamer | smart boot manager ? was that towards me ? |
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| 18:22.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | wubrgamer, no, to my earlyer askt question |
| 18:22.49 | tuv | everytime i upgrade laptop-mode-tools i have to re-edit its conffile. if i keep mine i'm afraid i'll miss some new features.. isn't there a better solution for this? |
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| 18:23.13 | wubrgamer | oh, nvr mind i did come accroos that word though in my search *sigh* |
| 18:23.19 | jshriver | greetings, can somebody help me setup my hauppauge card? It use to work on my other box, but I can't get it to work under debian stable |
| 18:23.25 | jshriver | w/ stock kernel |
| 18:24.13 | tom_and_jerry | Hi all. I tried a lot of things to get my keyboard and usb optical mouse to work with the latest xorg. I fixed the keyboard which would refuse to work when X is started. I am still stuck with the mouse. Some how /dev/input/mice doesnt seem to work. |
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| 18:24.19 | wubrgamer | does anybody know how to configure dhcp3 ? |
| 18:24.30 | tom_and_jerry | I tried doing cat /dev/input/mice and it says 'device not found' |
| 18:24.41 | tom_and_jerry | the xorg log says the same thing. |
| 18:25.04 | jshriver | tom_and_jerry, for x I usually just boot knoppix and cp the XF86Config and XF86Config-4 over from /etc/X11R6 seems like the easiest way to get X running smoothly |
| 18:25.09 | tom_and_jerry | when I connect the mouse to usb port I keep getting "usb device 4 not claimed by any active driver" |
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| 18:25.28 | jshriver | tom_and_jerry, do you have OCHI USB support etc compiled into the kernel.. |
| 18:25.36 | tom_and_jerry | ohci you mean? |
| 18:25.38 | jshriver | or whatever it's called |
| 18:25.39 | jshriver | yeah |
| 18:25.41 | pilgrim | I'm trying to use SSL encrytion to connect to my mail server. In evolution I set "Use secure connection:" to "Always". Do I need to import a certificate from somewhere? Please help. |
| 18:25.44 | jshriver | all of the USB stuff |
| 18:25.53 | tom_and_jerry | yeah. its there. |
| 18:25.57 | jshriver | lsusb |
| 18:26.01 | jshriver | see if it's listing the mouse |
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| 18:26.16 | tom_and_jerry | I tried lsusb and it doesnt do anything. |
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| 18:26.27 | tom_and_jerry | I had tried lsusb first. |
| 18:26.48 | lutra | ljlane |
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| 18:27.14 | jshriver | have you tried using the mouse on another machine to verify its not a hardware problem |
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| 18:27.28 | jshriver | also try using a different USB port.. |
| 18:27.30 | tom_and_jerry | yeah I have dual boot in windows (right now in windows) and it works on windows. |
| 18:27.40 | tom_and_jerry | tried using all the USB ports already. :( |
| 18:27.41 | jshriver | hrm so hardware's not an issue. |
| 18:27.53 | jshriver | hrm never had a mouse that the kernel couldn't pick up.. especiall under lsusb weird |
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| 18:28.04 | tom_and_jerry | I am actually using a DELL 1701FP it has USB hub and I generally connect the mouse to the hub. |
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| 18:28.22 | ltordsen | simon? |
| 18:28.27 | lutra | anyone know what package i need for spellcheck in evolution? i thought it was aspell |
| 18:28.29 | tom_and_jerry | but then again ... USB devices are detected but the drivers do not claim it. That is weird for me. |
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| 18:28.45 | tom_and_jerry | All this started happening when I did an apt-get update/upgrade today. |
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| 18:28.52 | bucky | tom_and_jerry: modprobe usbmouse ? |
| 18:28.59 | wubrgamer | does anybody have any idea where someone could get help for dhcp3 ? or pxelinux or tftp server ? |
| 18:29.00 | m3t3or | hi |
| 18:29.19 | tom_and_jerry | bucky ... hmm did not try it. |
| 18:29.24 | tom_and_jerry | brb... rebooting. |
| 18:29.39 | bucky | tom_and_jerry: lsmod |grep usbmouse is it loaded? |
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| 18:30.29 | tom_and_jerry | bucky and then should I have to replace /dev/input/mice with anything else?> |
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| 18:30.57 | bucky | tom_and_jerry: that should be handled when you set up X |
| 18:31.10 | tom_and_jerry | ok will try and get back... need to reboot. |
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| 18:31.13 | bucky | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:31.50 | trave11er | howdy |
| 18:32.00 | trave11er | how do i set up suspend/resume on a laptop? |
| 18:32.09 | wubrgamer | oh come on now |
| 18:32.12 | bucky | !nickometer tom_and_jerry |
| 18:32.13 | dpkg | 'tom_and_jerry' is 26.000% lame, bucky |
| 18:32.43 | stew | trave11er: often your best bet is to go to one of the urs in /msg dpkg laptops ; and find someone with the same laptop and see what they did |
| 18:32.49 | wubrgamer | any ideas whatsoever ? |
| 18:32.57 | trave11er | stew: thanks |
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| 18:33.18 | bucky | wubrgamer: that's too vague.. what are you trying to do |
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| 18:33.31 | bucky | install.. diskless client? |
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| 18:33.54 | wubrgamer | i am trying to install ubuntu linux on a laptop with a broken cd drive and my server system is an ubuntu box |
| 18:33.56 | wubrgamer | BUT |
| 18:34.11 | wubrgamer | i can't start up dhcp server |
| 18:34.28 | bucky | wubrgamer: i'm sure ubuntu has a ton of howtos on how to do that on their site |
| 18:34.47 | Taa5i_ | How would I add the lines 192.168.1.1 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 and default 192.168.1.20 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 to route please? |
| 18:34.57 | lutra | wubrgamer: have you googled this? |
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| 18:35.06 | DJ-Marcuzz | dubbel-u t f, why is there an cd rom player that does not support cd-rw in an 1Ghz Poweredge 500SC :S |
| 18:35.11 | lutra | there is a ton of info on ubuntu out there |
| 18:35.12 | wubrgamer | i have |
| 18:35.26 | wubrgamer | and i even found a rather proficient tuturial |
| 18:35.30 | wubrgamer | but it's not working |
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| 18:35.40 | bucky | wubrgamer: have you asked in #ubuntu? |
| 18:35.40 | wubrgamer | and i'm too n00bish to know how to trouble shoot |
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| 18:35.53 | pop_korn | hi |
| 18:36.05 | lutra | n00bish looks like b00bish |
| 18:36.05 | bucky | ih |
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| 18:36.20 | interferon | anything with 00 looks like terrible |
| 18:36.24 | wubrgamer | *sigh* i am a irc n00b as well, i got"banned" for "flooding" and sent an email pleading for them to remove it |
| 18:36.27 | wubrgamer | oh sorry |
| 18:36.34 | wubrgamer | no more boobs |
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| 18:37.03 | lutra | interferon: yup |
| 18:37.15 | jshriver | anyone know what the difference is between the 2.6.8-3 kernel that's in debian and 2.6.8 that's on kernel.org? |
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| 18:37.24 | punsad | has anyone else checked out 'Linux Server Hacks'? Just got it from my library.. looks awesome |
| 18:37.26 | Taa5i_ | Ignore that last, asked it in the wrong place. But what I /would/ like to know is how to get ping/traceroute on the Debian install floppies, it's very hard to troubleshoto network without them. |
| 18:37.42 | interferon | punsad, i own it, i didn't find it all that good |
| 18:37.52 | amoi | how does i mount windows file from my debian on LAN ? |
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| 18:38.04 | bucky | wubrgamer: #kubuntu #ubuntuusers maybe |
| 18:38.05 | punsad | interferon: interesting |
| 18:38.14 | interferon | punsad, better luck :) |
| 18:38.22 | wubrgamer | argah |
| 18:38.22 | punsad | hehe |
| 18:38.28 | interferon | amoi, look into samba |
| 18:39.11 | pop_korn | i need utill for look rss news on my desktop, Advise plz |
| 18:39.37 | wubrgamer | ubuntuusers is empty |
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| 18:40.03 | tom_and_jerry | I am totally whacked. |
| 18:40.18 | bucky | wubrgamer: that's the problem with ubuntu.. it's not debian |
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| 18:40.28 | tom_and_jerry | I thought I had fixed the keyboard problem. |
| 18:40.32 | bucky | pop_korn: akregator if you run kde |
| 18:40.39 | N0S3 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ---> how i cand find "php" and gui ? |
| 18:40.39 | wubrgamer | i know it's not debian but it's what i've got |
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| 18:40.51 | tom_and_jerry | looks its back again. Now I have two problems... my mouse doesnt work, my keyboard also doesnt work ARGH! |
| 18:41.01 | bucky | wubrgamer: go get unbanned from their channel and ask in there |
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| 18:41.02 | thingfish | pop_korn: apt-cache search rss | grep news returns a couple items, you looked at them? |
| 18:41.08 | wubrgamer | how do i get unbanned ? |
| 18:41.09 | N0S3 | how i can use a connectors? |
| 18:41.26 | tom_and_jerry | bucky I tried modprobe usbmouse. lsmod and then had something like usbmouse "used by" unused... |
| 18:41.42 | tom_and_jerry | wubrgamer, did you try changing your name? |
| 18:41.49 | tom_and_jerry | changing your nick that is |
| 18:42.00 | wubrgamer | no *sigh* |
| 18:42.02 | wubrgamer | wait |
| 18:42.04 | wubrgamer | yes i did |
| 18:42.04 | bucky | tom_and_jerry: for some reason your usb bus isn't working.. did you recompile you're own kernel? |
| 18:42.16 | tom_and_jerry | I did not recompile my own kernel. |
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| 18:42.30 | wubrgamer | i'm not sure why but i think it might have blocked my ip address from that channed |
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| 18:42.36 | splattnik | im having this anoying problem with Xorg. startx works for root but not for normal users. the xwrapper is propperly setup. but when using startx for normal users it gives me an empty .xauthority. xdm wont start either. |
| 18:42.37 | tom_and_jerry | I had 2.4.27.386 shifted to 2.4.27.686 |
| 18:42.43 | bucky | tom_and_jerry: which kernel and which version of debian is this? |
| 18:42.45 | tom_and_jerry | that is the only thing I did. That too sometime back. |
| 18:42.54 | tom_and_jerry | and kb and mouse were working then. |
| 18:42.57 | bucky | hmm.. i don't know |
| 18:43.03 | tom_and_jerry | debian sid |
| 18:43.06 | tom_and_jerry | debian unstable. |
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| 18:43.14 | bastioninc | help my apache2 server do not execute php4 web pages, config looks ok, apache-mod installed, what to do? |
| 18:43.38 | bucky | bastioninc: which apache-mod? |
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| 18:44.16 | tom_and_jerry | how is the 386 different from the 686 version of the kernel? Is it just optis for P4? |
| 18:44.39 | bbrazil | tom_and_jerry: pretty much |
| 18:44.39 | punsad | anyone else use an NX server? I'm thinking about installing it |
| 18:44.39 | tom_and_jerry | argh. |
| 18:45.04 | bastioninc | bucky: How to enable modules in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled? |
| 18:45.08 | tom_and_jerry | bbrazil, if that is the case why did debian not install 686 directly ? Hmm. That is weird. |
| 18:45.33 | bucky | bastioninc: cat /etc/apache2/README |
| 18:45.56 | bbrazil | tom_and_jerry: becuace not everyone has 686 systems. Sarge supports 486 and up |
| 18:46.05 | gravity | splattnik: What is the permission mask on /usr/bin/X? |
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| 18:46.23 | tom_and_jerry | debian does detect the P4 processor while installing kernel. |
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| 18:46.34 | tom_and_jerry | so I thought it would work automatically bbrazil. |
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| 18:46.45 | bastioninc | bucky: I have DIFF mirror disk and orig disk and found that "something" disabled my php4 modules... |
| 18:47.01 | quitte_ | tom_and_jerry: etch installer picked the right kernel for me. so with the next release that problem should be gone |
| 18:47.01 | tom_and_jerry | anyway I will try recompiling the kernel. Anyone has some pointers for usb mouse proble m that I have? |
| 18:47.23 | tom_and_jerry | quitte_, aaah. Got it. |
| 18:47.44 | bucky | bastioninc: php4 only works with apache2-mpm-prefork... maybe you changed to a threaded model |
| 18:47.54 | chino | after i do "./configure && make" what do i do next to make a controlled debian pcakage ? |
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| 18:48.09 | N0S3 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages how i can use this machine of search? hoy i can find php+gui ??? that connectors use? |
| 18:48.12 | gravity | splattnik: The xdm not-working is a known bug, but only being able to run startx as root isn't |
| 18:48.45 | bastioninc | bucky: I do not knwo what you talking about , i did not changed anything, it was "error" of apt-get update, i think |
| 18:49.11 | shogunx | gravity /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config perhaps? |
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| 18:49.46 | gravity | shogunx: Possibly |
| 18:49.47 | splattnik | gravity: stat says 6755 |
| 18:50.20 | gravity | splattnik: ls -l? |
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| 18:51.07 | splattnik | gravity: -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7800 2006-04-04 05:44 /usr/bin/X11/X |
| 18:51.36 | gravity | hrm... |
| 18:51.49 | deadcat | inetd: nothing much. just the new theme for openbox and gtk2 http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060413_12247.jpg |
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| 18:52.02 | gravity | splattnik: Does .xsession-errors tell you anything? |
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| 18:53.43 | deadcat | inetd: the split gradient scrolbar is gtk2-engines-clearlooks (deb http://debian.sshonly.sytes.net unstable/) |
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| 18:55.45 | deadcat | inetd: oh. and i wrote a php script to download tv torrents automatically once they are available. (= |
| 18:55.49 | martynas | what is the easiest way to create .deb package? |
| 18:55.58 | deadcat | martynas: dh-make |
| 18:56.02 | splattnik | gravity: not mutch.. any ideas why xdm wont even start? |
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| 18:56.19 | martynas | the easiest? is there any GUI tool or something? |
| 18:56.25 | deadcat | martynas: no gui |
| 18:56.35 | gravity | splattnik: Yeah, what version of x11-common do you have installed? |
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| 18:57.19 | martynas | what about making packets for other pkg managers? |
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| 18:57.29 | gravity | splattnik: And is this on testing? |
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| 18:59.10 | splattnik | gravity: its testing, and its upgraded to the latest version that is in testing |
| 18:59.21 | chino | what is glib ? |
| 18:59.28 | chino | i cant compile gaim |
| 18:59.34 | sciron | a gnu multi-purpose api |
| 18:59.34 | chino | without glib2.0 |
| 18:59.36 | gravity | splattnik: Right, ok... that's the bug |
| 18:59.42 | chino | how do i get it ? |
| 18:59.48 | streuner | chino: show us the error in paster bot |
| 18:59.51 | streuner | !paste |
| 18:59.51 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:59.58 | gravity | splattnik: I'd downgrade to the last revision if I were you. xdm shouldn't have been able to go in to testing as it is, but it did due to a missed dependency |
| 19:00.11 | gravity | splattnik: Alternately, if you want, you can grab all the xorg packages from unstable, but I don't recommend it |
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| 19:01.03 | streuner | chino: try to install libglib2*-dev |
| 19:01.30 | gravity | splattnik: Basically you got a piece of X11R7 while you're still running X11R6. It expects certain X11R7 things to be there, and they aren't, so it fails to start |
| 19:01.57 | bastioninc | buck: thanx you very much i have solved problem :) |
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| 19:02.03 | splattnik | lol =) so its a real bug or is testing the bug ;) is xorg buggy to or only xdm, i wont need xdm but i really need to beable to start X as a normal user. |
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| 19:03.02 | mulligan | splattnik: at the time startx and xinit are working for me but not xdm |
| 19:03.04 | gravity | splattnik: It's a testing bug, but it's been filed as #365134 (although the bug title is wrong) |
| 19:03.20 | streuner | chino: try apt-get install libglib2.0-dev |
| 19:03.29 | chino | im doing it |
| 19:03.38 | mulligan | anyway i won't install xorg in this stage if you can avoid it |
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| 19:04.39 | streuner | chino: apt-get build-dep gaim |
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| 19:05.00 | jlamr | Not sure if this is a perl q or no, so I'll start here. I get this error running a script. It is trying to use a module I just installed, which will run from the command line.Don't understand Exception 395: unable to open module file `/usr/local/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.7/modules-Q16/coders/jpeg.la': No such file or directory at ./image.pl line 29. |
| 19:05.14 | chino | jesus |
| 19:06.18 | jdhutchin1 | jlamr, it's probably a problem with the script |
| 19:06.37 | jdhutchin1 | it's expecting the module to be somewhere other than where debian put it |
| 19:06.59 | bastioninc | I have found in syslog : kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x59 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } ######Is HD is getting brake and Q:how to examine hdd surface? |
| 19:07.21 | splattnik | gravity: is there an easy way to downgrade with apt? |
| 19:07.31 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 19:07.31 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 19:07.37 | jlamr | hmm okay, thanks jdhutchin1. |
| 19:07.43 | htrp | what would: "chmod 777 /" do ? |
| 19:07.59 | splattnik | i see. |
| 19:08.09 | gravity | splattnik: You can download the old package and dpkg -i it |
| 19:08.33 | evilgeek | htrp: make your system insecure. |
| 19:08.34 | gravity | I'm totally blanking on the site that lets you grab old packages though... |
| 19:08.45 | htrp | ic |
| 19:08.52 | streuner | !sdn |
| 19:08.52 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 19:09.03 | evilgeek | htrp: in particular, since / is typically 755, this would allow anybody at all to mess around with stuff under /. |
| 19:09.09 | gravity | That's the one |
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| 19:11.38 | bastioninc | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. #dpkg-reconfigure locales done nothing, what to do? |
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| 19:12.04 | kakei | hi does anybody have tryed to put the DVD player with the pc using the videocard tv output? |
| 19:12.07 | bastioninc | perl: warning: please check that your locale settings: |
| 19:12.27 | streuner | bastionic: sounds your HD says 'Hasta la vista' :-/ |
| 19:12.30 | evilgeek | bastioninc: i hope you didn't type the # in #dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 19:12.59 | bastioninc | evilgeek: i did not ;) |
| 19:13.07 | evilgeek | OK. |
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| 19:13.32 | bastioninc | streuner: But it is 3-rd HDD, this is brand new! |
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| 19:14.41 | bastioninc | evilgeek: :) |
| 19:14.41 | streuner | bastionic: well, if you get DMA-errors *and* the system lost entries for locales it seems the HD is bad |
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| 19:15.17 | bastioninc | streuner: But i have tryed disks on two separate machines. |
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| 19:15.41 | evilgeek | two separate disks on two separate machines? |
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| 19:16.49 | bastioninc | Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: no such file or directory ----how to solve it? |
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| 19:17.13 | AcuraX | does anyone remember how i got to fix the initscript problem? |
| 19:17.13 | jshriver | how do you configure xawtv? |
| 19:17.16 | evilgeek | seriously, dude. you hagve a hardware failure. |
| 19:17.26 | evilgeek | s/hgave/have/p |
| 19:17.59 | streuner | jshriver: scantv |
| 19:18.15 | jshriver | let m elook for that thanks |
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| 19:18.34 | jshriver | what's /dev/vbi? |
| 19:18.39 | jshriver | open failed |
| 19:19.00 | streuner | jshriver: ls -l /dev/vbi* |
| 19:19.24 | jshriver | I have a /dev/vbi0 |
| 19:19.35 | streuner | ok, make a symlink? |
| 19:19.47 | jshriver | nope doesnt point to anything |
| 19:19.58 | jshriver | it's weird my video is like that too.. I dont have /dev/video but I have /dev/video0 |
| 19:20.48 | streuner | ls -s /dev/vbi0 /dev/vbi |
| 19:20.56 | jshriver | hrm.. just ln -s /dev/vbi0 /dev/vbi and scantv is adding channels |
| 19:20.59 | jshriver | but it says no station |
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| 19:21.25 | streuner | you should try tvtime :-/ |
| 19:21.26 | AcuraX | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:21.31 | AcuraX | Is there a way tio make that override |
| 19:21.38 | streuner | !info tvtime |
| 19:21.45 | dpkg | tvtime: (A high quality television application), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 643 kB, Installed size: 1760 kB |
| 19:21.56 | splattnik | gravity: which version of Xorg do you use? |
| 19:22.03 | streuner | AcuraX: did you check BTS? |
| 19:22.15 | streuner | splattnik: i guess sid ;-) |
| 19:22.23 | streuner | so the latest one |
| 19:22.26 | AcuraX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.33 | lutra | gravity packages X for us |
| 19:22.36 | AcuraX | It needs to overwrite that. |
| 19:22.44 | kakei | streuner sorry are u trying to sync the pc with a tv? |
| 19:22.49 | streuner | splattnik: he is the maintainer of xorg |
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| 19:23.00 | gravity | I guess everyone else answered that question for me :-) |
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| 19:23.04 | splattnik | oh.. *shame on me* |
| 19:23.08 | gravity | heh, no worries |
| 19:23.09 | AcuraX | and i don't know how to make it overwrite that file.. |
| 19:23.26 | AcuraX | I was told this morning but didn't write it down.. |
| 19:23.30 | gravity | I'm just another guy. No need to be ashamed for not knowing that :-) |
| 19:23.34 | thingfish | gravity: your work is very much appreciated. |
| 19:23.35 | streuner | gravity: this question was *that* hard for you, we had to help you ;-) |
| 19:23.39 | gravity | Thanks |
| 19:23.42 | gravity | hehe |
| 19:23.44 | streuner | :-) |
| 19:24.35 | jshriver | does the nvidia drivers for the FX5200 interfer with the bttv drivers? |
| 19:24.37 | streuner | kakei: sorry? |
| 19:24.38 | AcuraX | ... |
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| 19:24.43 | jshriver | since it has video out |
| 19:24.48 | AcuraX | Ack.. |
| 19:24.50 | kakei | streuner what are u trying with tvtime |
| 19:25.02 | streuner | jshriver: FX5200 works like a charm with bttv |
| 19:25.15 | streuner | kakei: watching TV? |
| 19:25.15 | splattnik | brb |
| 19:25.26 | jshriver | strankan, howso? I dont want to to work with bttv at all.. I want my hauppauge card to use bttv |
| 19:25.27 | AcuraX | Well... thanks? |
| 19:25.56 | jshriver | wondering if /dev/video is mapping to my fx5200 video out isntead of my hauppaug card |
| 19:25.56 | streuner | jshriver: so just use tvtime |
| 19:26.26 | bastioninc | which locale are default en_US-8859-15 ? |
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| 19:26.56 | streuner | AcuraX: turn that off |
| 19:27.09 | AcuraX | k |
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| 19:27.19 | AcuraX | But do oyu know how to make dpkg overwite the file? |
| 19:27.19 | jshriver | crap.. how do I check to see what's in apt-get ... seems I have a package that broke install |
| 19:27.33 | streuner | AcuraX: did you check BTS? |
| 19:27.37 | AcuraX | BTS? |
| 19:27.47 | streuner | !tell AcuraX about bts |
| 19:28.00 | AcuraX | Oh it's not in there. |
| 19:28.23 | jshriver | wow tvtime is nice :) |
| 19:28.24 | jshriver | brb |
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| 19:29.13 | jshriver | tvtime is saying no signal |
| 19:29.16 | jshriver | for any channel |
| 19:29.27 | AcuraX | Hmm. |
| 19:29.45 | streuner | well, plug the other end to a regular TV and see if it work then |
| 19:29.50 | AcuraX | it has to overwite that file that comes with sysvinit |
| 19:29.57 | AcuraX | And i need it to overwrite it.. |
| 19:30.23 | jshriver | ok.. |
| 19:30.28 | jshriver | yeah there is a signal on the line |
| 19:31.10 | AcuraX | If someone could at least direct me to the right location? |
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| 19:31.18 | yggdrasil | how can i make my usb reader automount when istick something into it |
| 19:31.33 | LunarC | eww |
| 19:31.52 | shay | lol |
| 19:31.52 | jshriver | is there a way to see what a /dev is mapped to in hardware? |
| 19:32.01 | shay | !hal |
| 19:32.01 | dpkg | i heard hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 19:32.05 | jshriver | to make sure my /dev/video is going to my hauppauge card and not my video card? |
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| 19:32.35 | AcuraX | Dammit |
| 19:32.35 | AcuraX | >< |
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| 19:33.57 | jshriver | ok I just checked dmesg and bttv0 is mapping to video0 and vbi0 |
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| 19:34.54 | jshriver | dmesg does say bttv i2c MSP34xx, TDA9875 and TDA7432 not found |
| 19:35.38 | streuner | jshriver: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 19:35.53 | jshriver | Linux version 2.6.8-3-386 (root@lart) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Thu Feb 9 07:17:13 UTC 2006 |
| 19:35.54 | khaloud | «¼¼» §äLäM £vë®ÿÖñë «¼¼» |
| 19:36.16 | evilgeek | khaloud: english please. |
| 19:36.24 | khaloud | Ok |
| 19:36.45 | khaloud | but who are you ? |
| 19:36.53 | khaloud | U r not even a voice |
| 19:36.54 | Lamperi | spiderman? |
| 19:37.02 | streuner | jshriver: use another kernel |
| 19:37.12 | jshriver | hrm what is the latest kernel in stable? |
| 19:37.15 | jshriver | 2.6 family |
| 19:37.19 | khaloud | hrm |
| 19:37.33 | AcuraX | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 19:37.38 | holdenSK | jshriver: 2.6.16.11 AFAIK |
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| 19:37.42 | streuner | jshriver: there is a backport (2.6.15) |
| 19:37.44 | khaloud | ppls ,,, I'm a beginner at LINUX |
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| 19:37.50 | khaloud | What distro should I use |
| 19:37.53 | streuner | !backport |
| 19:37.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:38.04 | AcuraX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.11 | AcuraX | Is there a way to make dpkg overwrite it? |
| 19:38.13 | khaloud | ---««[[ Peoples ,,, I'm a beginner at LINUX ]]»»--- |
| 19:38.17 | khaloud | ---««[[ What distro should I use ]]»»--- |
| 19:38.17 | Blissex | khaloud: ask in #LinuxHelp for advice on distributions... #Debian is hardly neutral :-) |
| 19:38.18 | streuner | khaloud: /topic? |
| 19:38.22 | khaloud | ---««[[ okie ]]»»--- |
| 19:38.33 | khaloud | Thank you ppls |
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| 19:39.08 | jshriver | I just did a apt-cache search kernel 2.6. and the newest I see is what I'm running 2.6.8-3 |
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| 19:39.47 | thingfish | khaloud: google 'linux distribution chooser'. |
| 19:39.57 | punsad | khaloud: depends on what you want to get out of using linux... |
| 19:40.02 | AcuraX | I can't get any help ever |
| 19:40.05 | jshriver | streuner, you mentioned FX5200 works like a charm with bttv what does it use bttv for then? |
| 19:40.12 | khaloud | Oh |
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| 19:41.29 | AcuraX | Should i just remove sysvinit? |
| 19:41.50 | punsad | AcuraX: echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 19:41.59 | punsad | AcuraX: to put a package on hold |
| 19:42.10 | bastioninc | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory ???? how to rebuild this file? ?? |
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| 19:42.33 | evilgeek | bastioninc: dude, you still have a hardware failure. |
| 19:42.42 | JordiGH | In an effort to increase the size of my ext3 partition, I have shrunk the ntfs, copied my ext3 to the freespace that I created after the ntfs partition. Now I have two (almost) identical copies of my ext3 partition, one right after the ntfs partition, and another after that one. |
| 19:42.51 | robert83a1 | hello all, I just started install debian sarge from cd1, wonder if I already missed it, is it supposed to ask which kernel to install during installer , or do I need to supply it as a boot parameter? |
| 19:43.02 | JordiGH | I now want to delete the original ext3 partition and grow the copy from the back into the freespace that is there. |
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| 19:43.31 | bastioninc | evilgeek: Yes on other machine, but now working on locales... :) |
| 19:43.35 | JordiGH | First of all, how can I make sure that my copy is bootable? |
| 19:43.44 | AcuraX | punsad, doesn't work.. |
| 19:43.56 | evilgeek | bastioninc: can you issue aptitude install locales? |
| 19:44.06 | JordiGH | Second, how can I rewrite the mbr so that it looks for grub in the copy of ext3 and not in the one I want to delete? |
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| 19:44.36 | punsad | AcuraX: what's ur problem again |
| 19:44.55 | AcuraX | trying to overwrite `/sbin'/fsck.nfs', which is also in package sysvinit Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:44.59 | AcuraX | I need it to be overwritten |
| 19:45.07 | bastioninc | evilgeek: I am not an idiot, locales are installed arleady, dpkg-recofingure locales and /etc/enviroment allready examined, still failed... |
| 19:45.10 | AcuraX | aarchie gave me the solution earlier but i forgot to write uit down |
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| 19:45.45 | korzec | hello i need help |
| 19:45.59 | bastioninc | korzec: jestes z polski? |
| 19:46.00 | robert83a1 | people, how do you tell debian sarge to install kernel 2.6.x ? it is during package config, or during the boot ? |
| 19:46.04 | punsad | AcuraX: when do you see this error message? |
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| 19:46.11 | korzec | bastioninc, tak |
| 19:46.12 | AcuraX | apt-get install |
| 19:46.25 | AcuraX | udev depends on initscripts |
| 19:46.26 | JordiGH | robert83a1: It install kernel 2.4 by default. You have to apt-get install linux-kernel-image-2.6 or something like that afterwards. |
| 19:46.29 | AcuraX | but sysvinit is installed |
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| 19:46.36 | AcuraX | i just need it to overwrite |
| 19:46.37 | bastioninc | korzec: zrob jakis kanal to ci pomoge tam |
| 19:46.41 | robert83a1 | JordiGH : ok thanx |
| 19:46.44 | evilgeek | bastioninc: remove and reinstall? i can't think what could be wrong. |
| 19:46.45 | loxley_ | bastioninc: keep it english |
| 19:46.53 | robert83a1 | JordiGH : so there is no way to install 2.6 from the cd itself? |
| 19:46.58 | korzec | bastioninc, tylko nie wiem jak jestem noob :) |
| 19:46.59 | bastioninc | loxley_: sorry |
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| 19:47.14 | ifvoid | hmm, my postgres client (psql) doesn't seem to be using ssl (it says 'no pg_hba.conf entry for host "192.168.158.13", user "bas", database "template1", SSL off'), but the man page doesn'y say how to enable any. Anyone got an idea? |
| 19:47.15 | bastioninc | korzec: make cannel |
| 19:47.19 | JordiGH | robert83a1: I think it's not even there. |
| 19:47.24 | robert83a1 | dang |
| 19:47.25 | bastioninc | korzec: channel |
| 19:47.31 | robert83a1 | I thought debian would come with 2.6 kernel :) |
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| 19:47.45 | JordiGH | Debian is paranoid about change. This is both good and bad. :) |
| 19:47.46 | jeff_hann | hi everyone |
| 19:47.47 | bastioninc | evilgeek: apt-get install locales --reinstall ??? |
| 19:47.49 | evilgeek | perhaps 'export LC_ALL="C"' will help? |
| 19:47.53 | thingfish | robert83a1: it does |
| 19:48.00 | thingfish | robert83a1: sarge install cd? |
| 19:48.04 | robert83a1 | thingfish : yes cd 1 |
| 19:48.11 | j4cbo | how hard is it to convert an i386 setup to amd64 without reinstalling? |
| 19:48.13 | robert83a1 | thingfish : what parameter to use to make it install 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:48.14 | thingfish | robert83a1: linux26 at the prompt. |
| 19:48.16 | bastioninc | evilgeek: What is default loacle? |
| 19:48.17 | robert83a1 | thanx! |
| 19:48.19 | jeff_hann | i accidentally made my upper gnome panel disappear |
| 19:48.21 | korzec | bastioninc, wpisalem "/channel #korzec" inaczej ma byc? |
| 19:48.28 | jeff_hann | how do i get it back? |
| 19:48.29 | robert83a1 | thingfish : that means I have to go back to the start and start again :) |
| 19:48.38 | JordiGH | Oh, drat, I should have thought of that. |
| 19:48.40 | thingfish | robert83a1: oh no, you can apt-get install one. |
| 19:48.47 | bastioninc | evilgeek: wait, i will help someone else |
| 19:48.50 | yggdrasil | how do i stop the smbd ? |
| 19:48.56 | robert83a1 | thingfish : same thing right ? it will update gcc and all other stuff for that version? |
| 19:49.01 | korzec | /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 19:49.08 | robert83a1 | thingfish : I will be able to compile my own custom 2.6 kernel after that right? |
| 19:49.14 | thingfish | robert83a1: it should pull in whatever deps it needs. |
| 19:49.26 | robert83a1 | thingfish : thank you very much, I will do it like that :) |
| 19:49.27 | thingfish | robert83a1: you'll need some extra packages to build things. |
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| 19:50.08 | AcuraX | ;x |
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| 19:50.14 | yggdrasil | thanks korzec |
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| 19:50.16 | bastioninc | korzec: switch to korzec channel |
| 19:50.27 | korzec | plz help ; latest sid installer says that it has not loaded modules cos kernel mismatch but it did... he dont want to continue installation then |
| 19:52.01 | punsad | yggdrasil: if you've got swat running, you can use the swat interface to do it... |
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| 19:52.20 | bastioninc | evilgeek: i am back, any idea ? How to set default locale? |
| 19:52.30 | JordiGH | In GRUB, the command root(hd0,1) means... what? |
| 19:52.55 | yggdrasil | punsad uh ... ? |
| 19:52.58 | JordiGH | First harddrive, second partition? How does it number them? By their physical location on disk, or by another method? |
| 19:52.59 | yggdrasil | haha thanks that other cmd did it |
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| 19:53.29 | evilgeek | bastioninc: surely export LC_ALL="C" works? |
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| 19:53.39 | owh | It's possible, even likely that I'm being an idiot, but I'm trying to install a backport from backports.org and apt is giving me grief. Here's a quick run down of what I've tried: http://pastebin.com/688003, any suggestions? |
| 19:53.45 | ozux | !tell me about pin |
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| 19:54.22 | bastioninc | evilgeek: works! |
| 19:54.22 | robert83a1 | wow, I never saw how cool the debian installer is :) |
| 19:54.38 | robert83a1 | like the apt-get config part...and that it updates during final setup process ... |
| 19:54.44 | robert83a1 | very-cool |
| 19:54.47 | martynas | do you know any nice GTK2 installer so i could make nice installer for my app? |
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| 19:54.54 | thingfish | robert83a1: apt-get kicks ass. |
| 19:55.07 | bastioninc | evilgeek: looks like no file definition for en_US locale... |
| 19:55.17 | JordiGH | robert83a1: Apt is the reason to use Debian. It's also one of the free-est and most usable distros around. |
| 19:55.20 | robert83a1 | yep , I used it with fedora core, and rh9... nowadays I usualy used yum, centos is my main thing... but apt-get is cool |
| 19:55.21 | evilgeek | why do people even use that locale, anyway? |
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| 19:55.42 | JordiGH | DEATH TO RPMs!! |
| 19:55.43 | AcuraX | CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE dpkg command? |
| 19:55.47 | JordiGH | !start a distro war |
| 19:55.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu 0wnz! |
| 19:55.52 | robert83a1 | I wont :) |
| 19:55.58 | owh | AcuraX: For what? |
| 19:55.59 | robert83a1 | each distro is cool for me |
| 19:56.03 | JordiGH | !start a distro war |
| 19:56.03 | dpkg | Fedora rox0rz! |
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| 19:56.04 | AcuraX | trying to overwrite `/sbin'/fsck.nfs', which is also in package sysvinit Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:56.09 | robert83a1 | except ssuse :) |
| 19:56.10 | thingfish | robert83a1: last time I used yum, I spent 1 hour downloading headers while it updated itself, then 5 minutes getting the files I actually wanted. |
| 19:56.14 | AcuraX | I need it to overwrite it |
| 19:56.14 | AcuraX | ;-; |
| 19:56.25 | bastioninc | evilgeek: You know....after #perl blalabla.file all the time warning appears, it is realy enoying |
| 19:56.27 | robert83a1 | thingfish : the new yum is improved, it only takes like 1 minute :) |
| 19:56.36 | thingfish | robert83a1: this was the latest yum. |
| 19:56.38 | robert83a1 | but I wont go into convincing you, because I cant :) |
| 19:56.43 | thingfish | robert83a1: I'm on dialup. |
| 19:56.46 | robert83a1 | ohh... |
| 19:56.54 | robert83a1 | well I'm on optical wire :) , so that cuts it |
| 19:57.00 | thingfish | I'm sure if I were on broadband I wouldn't care. |
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| 19:57.11 | thingfish | ooh we're supposed to have that by end of year. |
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| 19:57.25 | thingfish | I am so going to get it when it's available. |
| 19:57.28 | owh | AcuraX: man dpkg gives me: dpkg --force-overwrite, use it at your own peril, and read the man page first. |
| 19:57.30 | robert83a1 | it's the companies thing, but I can use it, because I'm the sysadmin there |
| 19:57.35 | thingfish | sweet ;) |
| 19:57.48 | robert83a1 | yep... that is 512/512 no limit |
| 19:58.10 | thingfish | I'll take anything other than 56k. |
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| 19:58.17 | xomhau | re hi |
| 19:58.25 | thingfish | owh: who do you get that through? |
| 19:58.28 | AcuraX | umm owh that doesn't help.. |
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| 19:58.40 | pixolet | prolly a neighbor |
| 19:58.41 | owh | thingfish: Optus / BorderNET in Australia |
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| 19:58.51 | robert83a1 | so me needs the following for building a kernel from source : kernel-package ncurses-dev fakeroot wget bzip2 |
| 19:58.52 | cshaman | Hi all. |
| 19:58.52 | owh | AcuraX: Why not? |
| 19:59.00 | robert83a1 | just checking because I come from the world of rh clones |
| 19:59.01 | cshaman | I'm trying to get the Java plugin for Firefox to function properly. |
| 19:59.06 | AcuraX | where does apt store the downlaoded files? |
| 19:59.16 | evilgeek | wget? |
| 19:59.17 | thingfish | robert83a1: probably build-essential, too. |
| 19:59.18 | cshaman | The plugin, however, can not automatically be downloaded from the browser as with other plugins. |
| 19:59.19 | AcuraX | downloaded* |
| 19:59.20 | robert83a1 | "/var/cahce/apt" ? |
| 19:59.25 | robert83a1 | "cache" |
| 19:59.27 | robert83a1 | probably |
| 19:59.28 | thingfish | AcuraX: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:59.32 | cshaman | How might I do so? |
| 19:59.33 | JordiGH | robert83a1: apt-get build-dep package-which-you-want-build |
| 19:59.38 | xomhau | i installed driver ati for ati radeon X700 PCI Express ( xorg 6.9 , debian testing ) , what need write into file xorg.conf? |
| 19:59.41 | robert83a1 | oh , great |
| 19:59.42 | robert83a1 | thanx |
| 19:59.43 | JordiGH | robert83a1: That gets all of the dependencies you need. |
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| 20:00.04 | JordiGH | robert83a1: Er, but I'm not sure if it's the same for the kernel. Probably, but not sure. |
| 20:00.16 | owh | AcuraX: Why are you needing to use dpkg? |
| 20:00.19 | robert83a1 | I will try to use kernel 2.6.5 here |
| 20:00.26 | JordiGH | robert83a1: If you enabled it in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get source packagename will fetch the source for you. |
| 20:00.30 | thingfish | 2.6.5? |
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| 20:00.50 | robert83a1 | yeah it's a long story , for short its specificaly needed for bandwidth arbitrator |
| 20:00.51 | AcuraX | Because |
| 20:01.04 | robert83a1 | I'm hunting for a distro that it will like enough to build :) on a 2.6.x kernel |
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| 20:01.27 | robert83a1 | managed to build it on rh9 2.4.19 kernel but that is the older version of this software with some bugs in it...causes panics in some situations |
| 20:01.40 | splattnik | gravity: thx for all the help.. i downgraded to dfsg-1.4 and now everything is back to "normal" also id like to thank you guys for the snapshotlink. didnt even now that one existed =) |
| 20:01.50 | owh | robert83a1: Nothing like stable software :-) |
| 20:02.03 | gravity | splattnik: No problem :-) |
| 20:02.15 | robert83a1 | yeah, but the later version supposedly fixed those errors |
| 20:02.16 | AcuraX | owh: trying to overwrite `/sbin'/fsck.nfs', which is also in package sysvinit Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 20:02.24 | AcuraX | Because i was installing gnome |
| 20:02.31 | AcuraX | But it has sysvinit installed already.. |
| 20:02.37 | AcuraX | and udev depends on initscripts |
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| 20:02.57 | tombs | hi all |
| 20:02.58 | JordiGH | So, nobody can help me with my GRUB problem? |
| 20:02.59 | AcuraX | aarchie gave me the cmd before but i didn't write it dowmn |
| 20:03.13 | owh | AcuraX: From memory you can remove and install on the same command line, but I might be mistaken. |
| 20:03.13 | marco13185 | AcuraX, you still haven't burned the disk? |
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| 20:03.38 | seaside | Anyone know if there is there an irc channel specific to knoppix or parallel programming using linux? |
| 20:03.48 | marco13185 | seaside, ya #knoppix |
| 20:03.50 | marco13185 | O.o |
| 20:03.51 | AcuraX | marcol13185, i did but everytime the bootloader messed up, do you have a log of the earlier convo? |
| 20:03.58 | marco13185 | nope |
| 20:04.02 | AcuraX | Are you sure? |
| 20:04.05 | AcuraX | Dammnit |
| 20:04.06 | AcuraX | >< |
| 20:04.08 | jshriver | ok back.. it seems my bttv card semi works.. I can view video from composite, but not from television |
| 20:04.19 | marco13185 | AcuraX, ya, but I just turned on logging now |
| 20:04.19 | owh | AcuraX: Which IRC client are you using? |
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| 20:04.41 | AcuraX | owh, im using xchat |
| 20:04.51 | AcuraX | marcol do you remember the command? |
| 20:04.59 | marco13185 | the command to what? |
| 20:05.00 | owh | AcuraX: Hmm, I'm guessing it doesn't log by default :-) |
| 20:05.20 | JordiGH | Hm, let's try this. |
| 20:05.20 | AcuraX | to overwrite that sysvinit with initscripts |
| 20:05.21 | JordiGH | !grub |
| 20:05.21 | dpkg | from memory, grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 20:05.34 | JordiGH | Ooh, that's nice. |
| 20:05.51 | AcuraX | No, im cool/ |
| 20:05.52 | AcuraX | :\ |
| 20:05.56 | JordiGH | owh: Ever actually tried to use that command? |
| 20:05.57 | marco13185 | AcuraX, don't d othat |
| 20:06.00 | AcuraX | this is really adgitating |
| 20:06.05 | JordiGH | owh: It's not as destructive as you might think. |
| 20:06.16 | JordiGH | For extra fun, use shred. :) |
| 20:06.30 | owh | JordiGH: I know a fella who ran it on his sun box, it all kept working right until he rebooted :-) |
| 20:06.55 | AcuraX | ... |
| 20:06.58 | AcuraX | >< |
| 20:07.06 | JordiGH | We should bring a sacrificial virgin box to our next LUG meeting. |
| 20:07.13 | owh | JordiGH: I'm curious tho, I'll set up a VMWare box with a distro on it and try it for fun :-) |
| 20:07.24 | marco13185 | well, amaroK detects my ipod and transfers file, but I guess it isn't editing the iTunesDB because I can't play the song on the ipod |
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| 20:08.01 | marco13185 | any reason why it would do this? |
| 20:08.06 | cshaman | How do I install Java? jdk isn't listed in my package list. |
| 20:08.26 | JordiGH | !java |
| 20:08.26 | dpkg | methinks java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 20:08.29 | owh | JordiGH: Reminds me of the time I asked the question (in 1986), what happens if I make a .BAT file that fills the hard disk on a Novell server, something like: :START, COPY A+A B, COPY B+B A, GOTO START -- suffice to say that the server resented that :-) |
| 20:08.45 | JordiGH | .bat? |
| 20:08.52 | JordiGH | Wow. These foul words I have forgotten. :) |
| 20:08.58 | owh | ROTFL |
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| 20:09.50 | marco13185 | !install java |
| 20:09.51 | dpkg | i guess install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
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| 20:10.22 | owh | JordiGH: It did give me the unique experience of seeing my boss sweat, seeing that the particular server was going to be installed inside a container crane and a server crash because of a disk-full hadn't been anticipated -- from the mouth of babes :-) |
| 20:10.43 | JordiGH | Wow. You had a boss in 1986? You're a true old-timer. |
| 20:10.53 | owh | ROTFL |
| 20:11.54 | JordiGH | So, gramps, tell us about the time when you found that moth inside the vacuum tubes of your box. |
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| 20:12.31 | gravity | harsh |
| 20:12.33 | JordiGH | Or better yet, help me out with GRUB. :) |
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| 20:12.51 | owh | JordiGH: Nah, that was before my time, no paper tape in my ancestry :-) |
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| 20:13.22 | AcuraX | ;\ |
| 20:13.32 | owh | JordiGH: I'll make you a deal, I'm a LILO-er, but I'll look at your GRUB, if you look at my apt :-) |
| 20:13.37 | gravity | owh: Did you try installing the package it tells you to install? |
| 20:13.46 | alexk_ | When upgrading to Sarge is it a good idea to shut down services? |
| 20:13.49 | gravity | owh: I don't know if it automagically will pull in dependencies like you expect |
| 20:13.56 | owh | gravity: I did, the list of packages to install is never ending :-) |
| 20:14.06 | gravity | owh: Yeah, aptitude may be able to do it... |
| 20:14.08 | gravity | Not sure though |
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| 20:14.15 | AcuraX | can anyone not help me |
| 20:14.16 | owh | gravity: I thought the -t switch should have done that for me? |
| 20:14.24 | JordiGH | alexk_: Apt will restart any services it needs to restart. |
| 20:14.29 | owh | AcuraX: Help you with what? |
| 20:14.47 | alexk_ | JordiGH: thanks |
| 20:14.48 | JordiGH | Now I wonder, what are the backports? |
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| 20:14.52 | owh | gravity: I'll have a looksee with aptitude, but IIRC, that didn't work either. |
| 20:14.59 | gravity | owh: In theory yeah, but to be honest it doesn't look like it :-) |
| 20:15.10 | owh | gravity: ROTFL |
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| 20:16.16 | owh | gravity: Now that is curious... |
| 20:16.27 | meneg | hi, any idea how to temporarily disable a pointing device? |
| 20:16.32 | owh | gravity: According to aptitude I have held broken packages. |
| 20:16.50 | mbishop | meneg, unplug it? :) |
| 20:17.02 | redmoth | hello all, i have some serious problems trying to get an orinoco wireless pcmcia card to work on an old laptop, I was wondering if anyone could point me to a good howto, with info about WEP included |
| 20:17.04 | meneg | mbishop: the touchpad? |
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| 20:17.18 | owh | meneg: Use a screwdriver? |
| 20:17.19 | mbishop | heh, well then, edit your xconfig and take it out |
| 20:17.20 | JordiGH | Yikes, wireless on laptops. Let me know if you have luck with that. |
| 20:17.22 | owh | meneg: :-) |
| 20:17.27 | meneg | (and btw, if I unplug a mouse it doesn't work after replugging it) |
| 20:17.32 | meneg | (oO) |
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| 20:17.50 | meneg | may be evdev's bug |
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| 20:18.18 | JordiGH | Ok, I've messed around with /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:18.24 | JordiGH | Let's see what this does... brb |
| 20:18.25 | punsad | redmoth: is the card correctly recognized? |
| 20:18.26 | AcuraX | owh, the same issue.. |
| 20:18.44 | redmoth | im getting close, the iwconfig shows the device, and it takes some of the configuration that i give it in /etc/network/interfaces but no dhcp |
| 20:18.46 | owh | AcuraX: Can you uninstall the conflicting package first? |
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| 20:18.50 | AcuraX | No |
| 20:18.56 | redmoth | umm. im not exactly sure |
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| 20:19.02 | benkong2 | hello deb people! why can't I find java-package? I am rying to install jdk 5.0 but apt-get says no java-package. |
| 20:19.12 | redmoth | the orinoco driver is installed as per lsmod |
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| 20:19.42 | owh | redmoth: Try allocating a static IP first. It is possible that you're not as close as you think :-) |
| 20:19.50 | benkong2 | trying fakeroot make-jpgk fails with make-jpkg command not found |
| 20:19.53 | redmoth | k |
| 20:20.15 | owh | AcuraX: Can you give me some background? I've only seen your question on force overwriting something with dpkg |
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| 20:20.30 | Benix | hi, did anybody solved the problem of eclipse? |
| 20:20.33 | owh | AcuraX: I'm loathe to help you kill your machine if I can help it :-) |
| 20:20.36 | Benix | it is broken |
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| 20:20.39 | AcuraX | :\ |
| 20:20.44 | AcuraX | well i went toinstall gnome |
| 20:20.48 | AcuraX | and it needs to update udev |
| 20:20.50 | punsad | redmoth: have you tried "iwconfig eth0 ESSID "my_netowrk" mode Managed key 1234123412 [1]" |
| 20:20.51 | owh | Benix: I installed it from source :-) |
| 20:20.54 | strider | benkong2: install java-package |
| 20:20.59 | AcuraX | and it need initscripts |
| 20:21.02 | korzec | installer of SID says that it did not load modules due to kernel mismatch but modules are loaded --- how can i contiune the installation skipping that *pseudo error* ??? |
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| 20:21.10 | meneg | found it, it was synclient TouchpadOff=1 |
| 20:21.10 | AcuraX | and it is conflicting with sysvinit |
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| 20:21.19 | Benix | owh: well, I want to use it from debian sid, but there, and in testing it doesn't work |
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| 20:21.34 | stephanof | DCC CHAT kqwopfkqponqwpoqwpkfq |
| 20:21.36 | benkong2 | strider, I did that is wah t fails I am on etch apt-get says could not find java-package |
| 20:21.46 | owh | Benix: That would be why it's in testing/sid. |
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| 20:21.57 | strider | benkong2: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 20:22.07 | Benix | owh: Well, every other distri is able to package it ;) |
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| 20:22.27 | benkong2 | thanks |
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| 20:22.31 | owh | Benix: My installation just has it in a user directory, it doesn't touch anything else, plays nice, all good. |
| 20:22.34 | korzec | plz need help with sid installer.... come one guys |
| 20:22.53 | Benix | owh: ok |
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| 20:22.58 | owh | korzec: Not that I have to do anything, but what is your problem? |
| 20:23.14 | stephanof | DCC CHAT kqwopfkqponqwpoqwpkfq |
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| 20:23.30 | korzec | owh installer of SID says that it did not load modules due to kernel mismatch but modules are loaded --- how can i contiune the installation skipping that *pseudo error* ??? |
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| 20:24.19 | bastioninc | korzec: check if files realy are in /lib/module directory |
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| 20:24.33 | owh | korzec: Are you using the kernel that came with the installer, or are you just running the installer in your own environment? |
| 20:24.33 | marco13185 | wtf |
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| 20:24.48 | AcuraX | any news owh? |
| 20:24.53 | korzec | owh i boot standard kernell from install cd |
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| 20:25.12 | korzec | owh and modules are loaded into memory when error is shown |
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| 20:25.22 | owh | AcuraX: Been a little distracted, one mo, lemmie look. Mean time, what is the package that you're trying to install again? |
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| 20:25.36 | Crazy_Man | What CD has the Debian wireless drivers? |
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| 20:25.40 | marco13185 | hey, whenever I try load my ipod in gtkpod, I get this error: Could not open "iTunesDB.ext" for reading extended info. |
| 20:25.40 | marco13185 | Extended info will not be used. |
| 20:25.40 | marco13185 | iPod Database Import Failed: 'Failed to read from file '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/Play Counts': Input/output error' |
| 20:25.44 | benkong2 | strider, thanks as bad as I hate to use it jedit and eclipse seem to complain about free-java on startup |
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| 20:25.48 | bastioninc | korzec: and? |
| 20:25.53 | AcuraX | INITSCRIPTS |
| 20:25.56 | AcuraX | >< |
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| 20:26.05 | ozux | How can I Install Evolution 2.4 in my debian Sarge? |
| 20:26.13 | mbishop | backports? |
| 20:26.32 | korzec | bastioninc, and.... and installer dont like to continue cos he has some parameter set to "0" or sth and i cant do anything |
| 20:26.44 | ozux | mbishop:but I can't find any backport for evolution. |
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| 20:26.56 | bastioninc | korzec: give me more details.. |
| 20:27.21 | owh | AcuraX: Does this help you: dpkg --force-overwrite -i {package} |
| 20:27.36 | korzec | bastioninc, installer boot from cd i chose lang , country and load modules check for cd |
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| 20:27.44 | korzec | and the next step come |
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| 20:27.47 | ___chou-c | if i boot up into the net install cd, use alt-f2, mount a disk to /mnt, do chroot /mnt. i presume i should have no probs compiling a new kernel for that disk ? |
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| 20:27.55 | owh | Crazy_Man: The knoppix CD does :-) |
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| 20:28.08 | bastioninc | korzec: and? |
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| 20:29.27 | korzec | bastioninc, owh, and it shows error that >> kernel modules havent been loaded cos version of kernel differs from the one that came from cd , and it ask m if i want to continue anywa and i say yes |
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| 20:29.46 | norbert_ | I'm doing a internet Debian install, but I've run into a problem |
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| 20:30.07 | norbert_ | the ISP requires users to log into a webpage to confirm their MAC address before they can access the internet |
| 20:30.08 | korzec | bastioninc, but it i dont get options to mount partitions and start installation |
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| 20:30.13 | punsad | redmoth: i stepped away... did you try the iwconfig command? |
| 20:30.19 | norbert_ | I could use lynx, but the page uses Javascript |
| 20:30.23 | norbert_ | so, I'm stuck |
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| 20:30.31 | Benix | owh: did you had to solve many depencies to get it working?Dont mean those build-dep |
| 20:30.34 | owh | norbert_: Boot from a LiveCD first. |
| 20:30.36 | korzec | bastioninc, im just stuck cos of some stupid i-dont-know-what |
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| 20:31.09 | bastioninc | korzec: can you skip loading modules? |
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| 20:31.10 | owh | Benix: Not that I recall. It's just java, it installs itself, download and click from memory. |
| 20:31.14 | norbert_ | owh: ...or burn an Ubuntu CD |
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| 20:31.26 | Benix | owh: hm |
| 20:31.29 | simonrvn | charzero: connectivity issues? |
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| 20:31.35 | simonrvn | charzero: connectivity issues? |
| 20:31.40 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 20:31.43 | norbert_ | owh: I know, but I'm trying to do this the haxor way... can I fake a MAC address or something like that |
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| 20:31.46 | owh | norbert_: I suppose you can play with CURL and craft a login screen. |
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| 20:32.19 | punsad | . |
| 20:32.22 | korzec | bastioninc, i can skip it , but nothing i get cos the next step of instalation says bad things and additionally if i say not to load i cant continue install because i left that step |
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| 20:32.31 | owh | norbert_: Well, some cards allow you to change their MAC address, but how long does it take to expire? Can you boot into another OS, login, then reboot and install? |
| 20:32.34 | jordi_ | K. Looks like worked. |
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| 20:33.05 | korzec | bastioninc, its BUG that if i left one step i cant continue |
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| 20:33.13 | owh | Can someone do something about charzero |
| 20:33.17 | owh | Tah |
| 20:33.20 | norbert_ | owh: I have another Linux machine here, the one I'm using now |
| 20:33.21 | korzec | lolz |
| 20:33.32 | owh | Nothing like a smart bot :) |
| 20:33.37 | norbert_ | owh: could I use it in some way to get around this MAC address check? |
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| 20:33.48 | AcuraX | yea |
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| 20:33.57 | JordiGH | n00bish question: /home has changed in my original partition since I made this copy. How can I tell cp to copy hidden files prefixed by .? |
| 20:34.04 | owh | norbert_: Well, you could setup an aliased interface on the running box, then set it up as a gateway, then point your new box at the running one. |
| 20:34.26 | norbert_ | owh: I have no router here |
| 20:34.29 | owh | JordiGH: Use tar. |
| 20:34.37 | owh | norbert_: No, a hub will be all that is needed. |
| 20:34.38 | korzec | is thre any alternate way to install linux than using installer provided on cd ?? |
| 20:34.40 | norbert_ | owh: the computer are not in a network either |
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| 20:35.14 | JordiGH | owh: tar -cf /mnt/old-partition/home home.tar and then tar -xf home.tar /home ? |
| 20:35.18 | owh | norbert_: Well, you could write down the MAC address for the running machine, then see if you can make the new machine use the same MAC address. |
| 20:35.33 | owh | JordiGH: Nah, one mo... |
| 20:35.38 | Zvpun | what program/package is in charge of /media/{floppy,cdrom,...} |
| 20:35.48 | norbert_ | owh: I could do that - can you point me to a manual on how to spoof a different MAC address? |
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| 20:36.14 | korzec | is it possible to use sarge installer to install SID ? |
| 20:36.17 | owh | JordiGH: tar -cf - /mnt/old-partition/home | (cd /home && tar -xf -) |
| 20:36.26 | owh | norbert_: One mo... |
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| 20:36.40 | williamvergara | hi, i have a very straight question. how can i add a new deb package to a local debian mirror?? |
| 20:36.41 | punsad | korzec: i think so, you should be able to just change the sources.list file |
| 20:36.42 | Zvpun | JordiGH: dont believe him. Use cp -d /oldhome /newhome |
| 20:36.46 | williamvergara | Please i need help |
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| 20:36.53 | williamvergara | anybody? |
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| 20:37.11 | korzec | what you need williamvergara |
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| 20:37.22 | punsad | williamvergara: just ask ur question |
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| 20:37.25 | simonrvn | !tell williamvergara -about ask |
| 20:37.28 | me_here | ls |
| 20:37.30 | me_here | ups |
| 20:37.32 | me_here | sorry |
| 20:37.37 | korzec | :D |
| 20:37.39 | zamaliphe | how to asq dpkg how to apgrade xorg to 7 |
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| 20:37.54 | simonrvn | wait for it in etch |
| 20:37.56 | owh | norbert_: Google tells me: ifconfig [interface name] hw ether [new MAC address] |
| 20:38.02 | korzec | plz tell me how can i extract installer from a cd |
| 20:38.14 | williamvergara | sorry, first time here |
| 20:38.31 | norbert_ | owh: if that worked it would be cool - thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 20:38.35 | punsad | zamaliphe: dpkg will stick to the released version of the pacakge |
| 20:38.39 | owh | williamvergara: You'll need to ask us an actual question first :-) |
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| 20:38.54 | williamvergara | how can i add a new deb package to a local debian mirror?? |
| 20:38.59 | lory89 | hello everybody!!! |
| 20:39.07 | lory89 | i have a problem |
| 20:39.13 | JordiGH | Zvpun: cp -rd, to be precise, right? |
| 20:39.16 | htrp | what does: cat /dev/random do? |
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| 20:39.20 | lory89 | someone canl help me? |
| 20:39.24 | punsad | williamvergara: have you check out if xorg 7 is in backports? |
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| 20:39.39 | ApTek | htrp: Shows random stuff |
| 20:39.48 | punsad | williamvergara: if you just add the package, it may break dependencies |
| 20:39.57 | owh | punsad: Do you have any experience with backports and pinning? |
| 20:40.03 | zamaliphe | how to apgrade x.org to 7 |
| 20:40.07 | Zvpun | JordiGH: you meight be right. I just wanted to point out -d, actually isn't -r included in -d? You have to consider the man page. |
| 20:40.10 | SlyChocobo | Hm.. how do you configure your keyboard in Debian? |
| 20:40.11 | simonrvn | htrp: drain your entropy |
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| 20:40.19 | gravity | zamaliphe: It's in unstable, but there are bugs stil |
| 20:40.20 | owh | ROTLF |
| 20:40.26 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 20:40.27 | JordiGH | Zvpun: It skips subdirs without -r |
| 20:40.28 | gravity | zamaliphe: It'll eventually reach testing when it's ready, if you're running that |
| 20:40.29 | williamvergara | punsad: its just a custom kernel image, it shouldnt break any dependencies |
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| 20:40.39 | lory89 | help me!!!! |
| 20:40.41 | punsad | owh: not really |
| 20:40.45 | owh | lory89: Ask a question first. |
| 20:40.49 | owh | punsad: Ah well... |
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| 20:40.57 | simonrvn | !tell lory89 -about ask |
| 20:41.03 | benkong2 | before I go off all half cocked let me ask wise people for information. |
| 20:41.04 | lory89 | i ave a problem whit ssh |
| 20:41.08 | Zvpun | JordiGH: Oh shit, i mixed it with -a. I was talking about -a not about -d. My fault. |
| 20:41.11 | lory89 | i have a problem whit ssh |
| 20:41.24 | lory89 | and whit apt |
| 20:41.26 | punsad | owh: what package are you interested in? just curious |
| 20:41.28 | Zvpun | JordiGH: I am sorry. |
| 20:41.36 | owh | lory89: Type slower, type english and ask a question. |
| 20:41.44 | benkong2 | I have etch system on a linux laptop my wireless works but I have to enter essid etc. each time I only want to uise xfce4 as a wm |
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| 20:41.50 | owh | punsad: I'm trying to install openoffice.org |
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| 20:42.00 | punsad | punsad: I have used backports... I think it was for some silly package like glabels or something like that. I didn't do anything fancy... just editted my sources.list file |
| 20:42.04 | grim76 | I have installed Sarge on my laptop. Install went fine so far. Only issue currently that I am having trouble figuring out is that the display is not at the resolution that I chose. The LCD is capable of 1600X1200 and I am unsure how to set it to that anyone able to help? |
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| 20:42.09 | benkong2 | what is the best network manager to use that will store the keys etc.? |
| 20:42.09 | lory89 | when i tried to installing a pakage a error tell me "line 73: Bad configuration option: AcceptEnv" |
| 20:42.13 | punsad | ops... that was directed to owh |
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| 20:42.34 | owh | punsad: I gathered that :-) |
| 20:42.42 | lory89 | sorry but i talk english very little |
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| 20:43.03 | JordiGH | Talking to oneself is funny. |
| 20:43.06 | punsad | owh: yeah... based on my experience with it.. it "Just worked" |
| 20:43.19 | owh | punsad: I wish :-) |
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| 20:43.30 | SlyChocobo | Im kind of stuck, the keymap is wrong on my Debian system, cant seem to figure out how to change it |
| 20:43.34 | owh | lory89: How did you install ssh? |
| 20:43.49 | JordiGH | grim76: There are number of reasons for why that could be. First, are you sure that you chosen the right display driver? |
| 20:43.50 | Zvpun | SlyChocobo: I think dpkg-reconfigure console-data may help. |
| 20:43.53 | sharpy | does anyoone use gmplayer here? *tried getting help in mplayer but everyone is asleep or ignoring newbies* |
| 20:44.00 | lory89 | when i install debian |
| 20:44.11 | sharpy | I would like to install a Sans font that gmplayer requests. |
| 20:44.20 | sharpy | but it wants it in .desc format ? |
| 20:44.24 | JordiGH | grim76: I've had that problem myself frequently. I usually have to play around with display settings until it works. Picking the right refresh rate and that sort of thing. |
| 20:44.38 | SlyChocobo | Nope |
| 20:44.38 | SlyChocobo | Keymapping is still wrong |
| 20:44.45 | grim76 | JordiGH: I chose vesa for the initial installation, and chose the proper resolution. I know the video card is an Nvidia now that I have the install completed though. |
| 20:44.52 | SlyChocobo | Sorry, its right in console |
| 20:44.54 | SlyChocobo | But not in X |
| 20:45.03 | owh | SlyChocobo: Did you restart X? |
| 20:45.03 | htrp | what does: "cat /dev/random" do? |
| 20:45.30 | SlyChocobo | Yea, sorry thats it working now |
| 20:45.32 | SlyChocobo | Thank you :) |
| 20:45.43 | JordiGH | grim76: That could be problem number 1. Vesa will work, but it won't work very well. |
| 20:45.50 | grim76 | JordiGH: ok |
| 20:45.53 | JordiGH | !nvidia |
| 20:45.54 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:46.03 | lory89 | i want to install amule but when i use apt for the pakage this error tell me "/etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 73: Bad configuration option: AcceptEnv" |
| 20:46.08 | POVaddct | htrp: reading data from the random device and put them on terminal |
| 20:46.23 | owh | htrp: It copies the content of the /dev/random device to your console. |
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| 20:46.34 | JordiGH | Nvidia's drivers are proprietary. Debian has some free replacements, but to really get it working, you'll need to use non-free sources (enable it in your apt) and use the... |
| 20:46.36 | JordiGH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:46.37 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 20:47.09 | lory89 | owh............. |
| 20:47.22 | ruckerz | anyone know if nvidia has updated its legacy drivers for xorg? |
| 20:47.35 | owh | lory89: I'm talking to several people, if you're in a hurry, pay someone. |
| 20:47.52 | lory89 | ok i'm sorry |
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| 20:48.09 | owh | lory89: When you get the error, what command are you running? |
| 20:48.42 | lory89 | apt-get install amule |
| 20:49.35 | owh | lory89: Well, that's pretty innocent :-) |
| 20:50.03 | lory89 | ok tell me |
| 20:50.03 | h2k | hi, I have ati ixp chipset motherboard and 2.6.16.9 kernel. When I start acpid, it says it's loading thermal, but /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty... |
| 20:50.08 | grim76 | !non-free sources |
| 20:50.08 | dpkg | from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 20:51.27 | owh | lory89: I'm not sure what would cause that. What happens if you do "apt-get -f install" |
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| 20:51.42 | JordiGH | At boot time, you'll get a message about how the nvidia driver taints the kernel license. Such is the price we pay for have to live with non-free software. :) |
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| 20:52.05 | owh | JordiGH: You can always patch the kernel :-) |
| 20:52.39 | JordiGH | Alrighty... /home copied... |
| 20:52.52 | JordiGH | Now, about rewriting the MBR... |
| 20:53.00 | owh | JordiGH: If you're paranoid, do a diff -r |
| 20:53.01 | lory89 | it appears the same problem |
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| 20:53.22 | owh | lory89: Can you uninstall ssh? |
| 20:53.26 | JordiGH | Paranoia is always advisable when other's people's data is at stake. |
| 20:53.36 | msoos2 | debian unstable xserver-xorg is BROKEN. |
| 20:53.57 | owh | JordiGH: No, only when it's your own :-), Other people's data is their problem >:-) |
| 20:53.59 | lory89 | how can i do this? |
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| 20:54.11 | owh | lory89: apt-get --purge remove ssh |
| 20:54.31 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 20:54.37 | gravity | msoos2: The fix is already in svn, just be patient |
| 20:54.43 | JordiGH | It's their fault for trusting me with the root password! |
| 20:54.44 | mulligan | ruckerz: latest nvidia driver (tarball from nvidia.com) are working for me |
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| 20:55.00 | ruckerz | mulligan: version? |
| 20:55.03 | lory89 | its ok |
| 20:55.05 | mulligan | anyway xorg seems to be slightly b0rken on sid |
| 20:55.09 | msoos2 | gravity, thx, I tried to show a friend of mine how easy it is to install Debian and this thing came along, I was *SO* frustrated, you can not imagine |
| 20:55.13 | lory89 | ssh is unistalled |
| 20:55.18 | ruckerz | mulligan: are you using a legacy board? |
| 20:55.21 | mulligan | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8756-pkg1.run |
| 20:55.29 | owh | lory89: Now try an install what you were installing. |
| 20:55.35 | mulligan | whats a "legacy board"? |
| 20:55.45 | msoos2 | BTW, anyone using suspend2 here? It is great! |
| 20:55.48 | lory89 | ok |
| 20:55.53 | owh | mulligan: One with ps/2 on board and a floppy connector :-) |
| 20:55.53 | JordiGH | msoos2: That's why I use stable. It's better for evangelical purposes. I hope you don't lose your possible adept... |
| 20:56.03 | ruckerz | mulligan: i have a tnt2 ultra |
| 20:56.10 | korzec | i used susp2 ! it can suspend but not resume ! :D |
| 20:56.15 | ruckerz | and last i checked xorg 7.0 wasn't working with the legacy drivers |
| 20:56.26 | mulligan | ruckerz: i have the cheapest card with tv out i found. dunno ehat it is |
| 20:56.40 | msoos2 | JordiGH, Well, but stable for instance can't du anything with my dvd-writer (using k3b). It simply is too old. |
| 20:56.51 | JordiGH | Er, testing. I use testing. |
| 20:56.54 | owh | That talk of suspend and resume reminds me, after a resume my parallel port won't play, nor will my DVD burner. Any ideas? |
| 20:57.03 | mulligan | ruckerz: btw to get tv out to work i had to add something to xorg.conf. let me have a look |
| 20:57.05 | JordiGH | I keep a mixed system. Testing/unstable with testing preferred. |
| 20:57.07 | msoos2 | JordiGH, yeah, I guess testing is the way, granted |
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| 20:57.17 | ruckerz | mulligan: its ok |
| 20:57.18 | msoos2 | Next time :D |
| 20:57.21 | ruckerz | just wondered if the legacy boards were working |
| 20:57.29 | ruckerz | can anyone suggest a lightweight X11 mp3 player? |
| 20:57.35 | korzec | i have sarge with etch packages installed thi is damn |
| 20:57.39 | JordiGH | !xmms |
| 20:57.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, xmms is X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 20:57.45 | msoos2 | korzec, well, have a look at the howto and the syslog.. there will be clues |
| 20:57.55 | JordiGH | !info xmms |
| 20:57.57 | mulligan | in the tv put device section: Option "UseEDID" "FALSE" |
| 20:58.02 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10+cvs20050809-5 (sid), Packaged size: 2350 kB, Installed size: 7180 kB |
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| 20:58.05 | lory89 | ok thank you very much |
| 20:58.14 | ruckerz | xmms i dont like that much, it's still using GTK1 |
| 20:58.15 | lory89 | i resolve my problem |
| 20:58.22 | owh | lory89: If you want to install ssh, you'll need to install it again. |
| 20:58.22 | lory89 | thank you |
| 20:58.25 | korzec | msoos2, "howto" of what ? |
| 20:58.28 | lory89 | ok |
| 20:58.31 | msoos2 | korzec, of suspend2 |
| 20:58.32 | lory89 | thank's |
| 20:58.34 | owh | lory89: Happy to help. |
| 20:58.47 | JordiGH | ruckerz: Well, apt-cache search mp3, and let's see what comes up. :) |
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| 20:58.55 | owh | JordiGH: ROTFL |
| 20:58.58 | korzec | msoos2, ah right i would but i have bigger problems that susp2 |
| 20:58.58 | msoos2 | korzec, maybe you made some mistake, like including the LZF algo. into the kernel as a module or something |
| 20:59.06 | mulligan | ruckerz: ah another problem: run the installer with--x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
| 20:59.16 | mulligan | ruckerz: more on http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 20:59.39 | redmoth | okay, well i set up a static assignment on my gateway, and changed the wireless AP to treat the mac address of my orinoco card as a static address, but im still not sure if the driver for the pcmcia card is correct....how can i find that out? |
| 20:59.48 | korzec | LZF must be in kernell thx for a tip i havent it there msoos2 |
| 20:59.51 | mlowe | i need a command line program for playing flash sound ? |
| 21:00.04 | owh | redmoth: Well, can you ping the world? |
| 21:00.06 | JordiGH | ruckerz: How about... |
| 21:00.08 | JordiGH | !info moc |
| 21:00.09 | msoos2 | BTW is it a pain in the a*s for you too guys that the official NVIDIA driver installer installs the drivers into the /usr/X11 directory instead of the new /usr/lib/xorg ? |
| 21:00.12 | redmoth | no |
| 21:00.14 | dpkg | moc: (ncurses based console audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.4.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 181 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
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| 21:00.19 | redmoth | oh wait |
| 21:00.34 | redmoth | no |
| 21:00.48 | owh | redmoth: Can you ping the gateway? |
| 21:00.57 | redmoth | not on that interface |
| 21:01.07 | owh | redmoth: Can you ping yourself? |
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| 21:01.56 | owh | WTF |
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| 21:02.15 | JordiGH | I wonder if I should worry about the differences that diff found in .kde/socket |
| 21:02.18 | redmoth | ive got a two interfaces on the laptop a wired one and a wireless one |
| 21:02.19 | sharpy | anyone use gmplayer? I would like some input on how to find fonts that gmplayer cannot find. Specifically the Sans font in a .desc format |
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| 21:02.24 | cahoot | mlowe try setting FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" (if you use alsa) in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc |
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| 21:02.32 | JordiGH | Attack of the spambots? |
| 21:02.35 | owh | JordiGH: Are you logged in as that user? |
| 21:02.39 | JordiGH | owh: No. |
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| 21:03.02 | owh | JordiGH: From memory there is a tar option to deal with block devices. |
| 21:03.09 | rcy | hello |
| 21:03.10 | grim76 | JordiGH: Thanks that worked I appreciate the help |
| 21:03.17 | korzec | where can i see log of messagess printed on boot |
| 21:03.19 | JordiGH | grim76: Sweet. ;) |
| 21:03.33 | grim76 | Now to tackle a few other things. |
| 21:03.44 | rcy | cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug prints /sbin/hotplug, but /sbin/hotplug doesnt exist. is that a problem? I'm having trouble getting gphoto2 working with hotplug |
| 21:03.47 | JordiGH | A long time ago someone helped me the same way, grim75. I also have an Nvidia driver. This is what free software is all about. |
| 21:03.54 | owh | korzec: In /var/log/boot, but you need to turn on logging. |
| 21:03.58 | Zvpun | can someone paste his /etc/fstab. I am struggling with /media/*-links and fstab entries for cdrom |
| 21:04.03 | rcy | with testing/unstable |
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| 21:04.08 | JordiGH | owh: What's a socket anyways? |
| 21:04.09 | owh | korzec: One mo and I'll see if I can remember where it is. |
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| 21:04.22 | JordiGH | owh: Will my beloved users be ok? |
| 21:04.28 | owh | JordiGH: It's a special file that is a device, not an actual file. |
| 21:04.30 | korzec | owh thx |
| 21:04.44 | owh | JordiGH: From memory KDE is pretty pissy about them. |
| 21:04.56 | JordiGH | I gathered as much. Oh, well. I hope KDE knows what to do with these sockets in case they'reborken. |
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| 21:05.02 | JordiGH | Oh, it's pissy? That's no good. |
| 21:05.05 | korzec | my konqueror and kwrite has stupid few-minutes loading time how to fix it ... ? |
| 21:05.23 | tuv | use gnome! |
| 21:05.29 | owh | korzec: Look at /etc/defaults/bootlogd |
| 21:05.32 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 21:05.32 | dpkg | enlightenment: the choice for the -smarter- debian user. |
| 21:05.36 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
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| 21:05.44 | msoos2 | sharpy, download the fonts packages (I think it's mplayer-fonts) |
| 21:05.46 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 21:05.46 | dpkg | Don't be silly, console is the best. |
| 21:05.57 | Zvpun | can someone paste his /etc/fstab. I am struggling with /media/*-links and fstab entries for cdrom |
| 21:06.11 | korzec | yes console is cool but i need ale konq and kwrite |
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| 21:06.29 | msoos2 | JordiGH, heheeeee this start a desktop war iIS funny :D |
| 21:06.29 | owh | Zvpun: /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 |
| 21:06.46 | tuv | how do i control the default non-latin fonts? |
| 21:06.54 | msoos2 | !start a desktop war |
| 21:06.55 | dpkg | Be smart, use WindowMaker. |
| 21:07.06 | JordiGH | Don't abuse the boot. :) |
| 21:07.07 | Zvpun | owh: thanks, but you dont use /media yet. You are using the old common practise. |
| 21:07.10 | JordiGH | !smite msoos2 |
| 21:07.14 | sharpy | msoos2, oh the fonts are downloaded fonts-arial..etc.. it's the Sans.desc which somehow is not loading. |
| 21:07.24 | owh | Zvpun: Indeed :-) |
| 21:07.40 | JordiGH | What's /media? Is it just a mount point? |
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| 21:07.55 | owh | JordiGH: That's what I thought too. |
| 21:08.01 | redmoth | well i cannot ping from that interface |
| 21:08.06 | korzec | thx for bootlog owh |
| 21:08.07 | tuv | a directory of mount points, like /mnt |
| 21:08.09 | Zvpun | JordiGH: see http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#MEDIAMOUNTPOINT |
| 21:08.13 | redmoth | so the driver must not be working correctly |
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| 21:08.24 | owh | korzec: Happy to help. |
| 21:08.31 | owh | redmoth: Does it show as being up? |
| 21:08.35 | korzec | :> |
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| 21:08.57 | redmoth | when using iwconfig or ifconfig, yes it shows its up, but has no IP address |
| 21:09.20 | owh | redmoth: Can you give it one from the command line? |
| 21:09.30 | redmoth | possibly |
| 21:09.31 | korzec | what causes loading kernell to show hda communication errors :) |
| 21:09.47 | owh | korzec: Dunno, bad cables? |
| 21:10.00 | korzec | yes in laptop :] owh |
| 21:10.01 | owh | korzec: IRQ conflict? |
| 21:10.16 | JordiGH | well, I'll be damned... |
| 21:10.29 | owh | korzec: I've got a SATA/PATA device in mine, so don't come crying to me :-) |
| 21:10.39 | owh | JordiGH: What? |
| 21:10.44 | korzec | no irq it says sth about packets ;/ owh |
| 21:10.48 | JordiGH | moutn reports: /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 21:11.05 | JordiGH | and /dev/hda2 on /mnt/hda4 type ext3 (rw) |
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| 21:11.36 | owh | JordiGH: So, you are running as that user then :-) |
| 21:11.42 | JordiGH | It thinks both of my partitions are named /dev/hda2, although I explicitly mounted the second one by calling it /dev/hda4 |
| 21:11.42 | sepski | korzec, may or may not be a sign of a failing drive |
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| 21:11.59 | korzec | i failed with SID now ill try ETCH |
| 21:12.12 | gravity | korzec: sid and etch please. They're not acronyms. |
| 21:12.14 | sepski | korzec, and first thing about troublshooting is give exact error messages .. "something about pacets" is not exact |
| 21:12.18 | owh | JordiGH: Are you sure, you can mount the same device twice. |
| 21:12.40 | korzec | yes but i dont have a log ... |
| 21:12.43 | korzec | :) |
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| 21:12.51 | JordiGH | owh: Positive. I touched a file in /mnt/hda4/home and it didn't show up in /home |
| 21:13.27 | owh | JordiGH: Hmm, pull out a LiveCD and have a looksee before you do anything fatal. |
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| 21:14.01 | JordiGH | At least I haven't written anything to the old partition, I think... |
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| 21:14.33 | korzec | owh do you know why hdparm dont want to set acoustic management on hd anymore? |
| 21:14.40 | JordiGH | brb. |
| 21:15.01 | owh | korzec: Is this the same drive? |
| 21:15.09 | korzec | yes |
| 21:15.11 | owh | korzec: It might have shat itself. |
| 21:15.24 | korzec | owh but it all works on windows |
| 21:15.54 | korzec | lolz |
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| 21:16.48 | mlowe | cahoot, trying stuff thnx |
| 21:16.54 | SonicChao | Hi |
| 21:17.01 | Wonko | Hello! Today I discovered that the dependencies of xserver-xorg were corrupt for Debian Etch? Is it possible to fix this easily or do I have to wait for this to fix which could take more than 10 days. |
| 21:17.07 | owh | korzec: That's absolutely no guarantee, you know that windows is a thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition. |
| 21:17.19 | gravity | Wonko: Eh? For etch? What do you mean? What was the actual error you got? |
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| 21:17.22 | SonicChao | Hello |
| 21:17.27 | SonicChao | is anyone here? |
| 21:17.34 | owh | SonicChao: No |
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| 21:17.49 | korzec | owh lol |
| 21:18.03 | redmoth | no, it appears that i cannot assign it an address |
| 21:18.23 | owh | redmoth: Does it talk to you, give you any clues in dmesg? |
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| 21:18.49 | SonicChao | A lot of people use Debian. |
| 21:18.58 | Wonko | gravity: I tried to install drivers for nvidia (nv) and it had a dependency on the xserver-xorg-core packages which doesn't even exist for etch yet. |
| 21:18.59 | korzec | ;] |
| 21:19.05 | owh | SonicChao: No, we all use RedHat around here. |
| 21:19.06 | gravity | Wonko: Ah, don't bother |
| 21:19.08 | SonicChao | *prepares for missile assault* I use Windows. |
| 21:19.16 | gravity | Wonko: The nv driver comes with xserver-xorg that's in etch already |
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| 21:19.34 | SonicChao | But, this is #debian!\ |
| 21:19.40 | gravity | Wonko: The separate nv package is part of X11R7, which hasn't transitioned in full to etch yet |
| 21:19.46 | Wonko | gravity: Don't bother? How come? I am unable to start X. |
| 21:19.47 | owh | SonicChao: No, we renamed the channel. |
| 21:19.51 | korzec | i use it too i try to switch to linux but i have many problems.... |
| 21:20.03 | SonicChao | So now it's #redhat ? |
| 21:20.04 | redmoth | i get about a million of these messages: |
| 21:20.05 | owh | SonicChao: It's just that you're the first to notice. |
| 21:20.06 | gravity | Wonko: That's a totally separate issue... what's the error you get when trying to start X? |
| 21:20.12 | Wonko | OK, so maybe my problem is something else then? |
| 21:20.19 | SonicChao | So there is also an #windows ? |
| 21:20.29 | owh | Yup, just join it. |
| 21:20.32 | redmoth | eth1: Unknown information frame received (type f202) |
| 21:20.52 | owh | redmoth: Hmm, perhaps it's actually talking or attempting to talk to something. |
| 21:21.06 | mlowe | cahoot, still no sound |
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| 21:21.24 | Wonko | gravity: I don't have that computer up right now so I'm speaking from my mind. I had this working a couple of days ago but now it says it can't find any screen. |
| 21:21.37 | owh | mlowe: Are you sure it's the computer? Did you clean your ears? |
| 21:21.40 | SonicChao | There is |
| 21:21.44 | SonicChao | an ##windows |
| 21:21.46 | redmoth | yeah, it seems that it is recieving something |
| 21:21.49 | gravity | Wonko: Ok, you'd have to take a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out what the error is |
| 21:21.56 | cahoot | mlowe you do use alsa and have oss-emulation running? i e got a /dev/dsp |
| 21:22.14 | owh | SonicChao: No that's a channel about Windows, the glass ones, the one you want is #windows |
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| 21:22.32 | mlowe | owh, cahoot yes, i have alsa-oss install , i have udev |
| 21:22.40 | SonicChao | XD! |
| 21:22.41 | owh | redmoth: When you load the drivers does it tell you anything? |
| 21:22.52 | redmoth | ive got it to store the wep key in the /e/n/interfaces, as well as the essid |
| 21:23.01 | redmoth | it loads them at boot |
| 21:23.16 | redmoth | its loading orinoco and oricoco-cs |
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| 21:23.23 | Wonko | gravity: I have, but couldn't solve it. |
| 21:23.26 | redmoth | is that what you mean? |
| 21:23.27 | beefcake | can anyone tell me how i can install libstdc++.so.6 |
| 21:23.31 | beefcake | unrar tells me i require those libraries |
| 21:23.34 | gravity | Wonko: You'd have to tell me the error |
| 21:23.37 | mlowe | owh, cahoot yes, i have alsa-oss install , i have udev, and i am using esd |
| 21:23.38 | SonicChao | Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........................../list is overloading me. |
| 21:23.39 | gravity | Or post the log |
| 21:23.53 | SonicChao | #html ... |
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| 21:24.01 | cahoot | mlowe: gnome? does fuser -v /dev/dsp return anything? |
| 21:24.07 | owh | redmoth: Can you get it to use kismet? |
| 21:24.22 | owh | redmoth: Err, can use use it with kismet? |
| 21:24.22 | redmoth | dont know what is kismet? |
| 21:24.26 | beefcake | anyone know how i can get that library working, sorry im a noob :x |
| 21:24.32 | cahoot | mlowe: ok try to change aoss to "auto" or "esd" |
| 21:24.38 | owh | redmoth: Err, s/use use/you use/ |
| 21:24.43 | linnuxxy | do i have to download both of the 2 DVD images to install debian? |
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| 21:24.47 | owh | redmoth: It's a wireless monitoring tool. |
| 21:24.47 | gravity | beefcake: How did you install the app? |
| 21:24.51 | speyer | !mplayer |
| 21:24.51 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 21:24.54 | owh | linnuxxy: No. |
| 21:24.55 | gravity | beefcake: The one that's failing |
| 21:24.55 | beefcake | i just rar -xzvf it |
| 21:25.04 | beefcake | its rar |
| 21:25.05 | redmoth | apt-getting now |
| 21:25.12 | gravity | beefcake: Why didn't you just use the deb? |
| 21:25.22 | beefcake | oh there is a deb for it? |
| 21:25.31 | speyer | !mplayer faq |
| 21:25.32 | dpkg | The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 21:25.42 | speyer | !w32codecs |
| 21:25.42 | dpkg | i heard w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 21:25.42 | owh | linnuxxy: A single CD is sufficient, the DVD's are full installs if you don't have network connectivity. There is a network install CD also, about 10Mb. |
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| 21:26.35 | linnuxxy | single CD would install a basic desktop without downloading anything extra? |
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| 21:27.01 | owh | linnuxxy: The debian website should tell you what is on each CD. |
| 21:27.17 | owh | linnuxxy: I've not used installation CD's for years. |
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| 21:27.25 | newuserrr | could anybody help me with ircII |
| 21:27.33 | sabetts | is asking questions on #debian like pissing in the wind? |
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| 21:27.48 | owh | sabetts: That depends on the question. |
| 21:27.54 | Blissex | sabetts: no, same as on any IRC channel... |
| 21:28.05 | gravity | beefcake: I think so... in non-free |
| 21:28.07 | Wonko | gravity: The error says: "Fatal server error: no screens found" I don't have the computer on right now. |
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| 21:28.16 | gravity | Wonko: Yeah, I need to see the logfile |
| 21:28.16 | owh | sabetts: So far I've not seen any. |
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| 21:28.31 | gravity | Wonko: That error doesn't say much of anything. Further up the log will say something |
| 21:28.42 | Wonko | gravity: OK, hold on. I'll boot it up |
| 21:28.51 | beefcake | got it thx |
| 21:29.42 | ryan` | does anyone know how to resume post-install configuration? |
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| 21:29.50 | newuserrr | i have a problem with ircII, i cannot see which users are on the channel, because after /who * it scrolls fast, and it is not written in lastlog |
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| 21:30.01 | rcy | I'm having trouble getting gphoto2 working with hotplug. cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug prints /sbin/hotplug, but /sbin/hotplug doesnt exist. Is that a problem? |
| 21:30.49 | evilgeek | hm. which is the correct channel for questions and whining about glibc? |
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| 21:31.11 | owh | rcy: Have you got hotplug installed? |
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| 21:31.31 | owh | evilgeek: Try your luck at: #redhat :-) |
| 21:31.56 | evilgeek | owh: my questions and whining are of a more technical nature than #redhat is meant to address. |
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| 21:32.04 | owh | ROTFL |
| 21:32.25 | korzec | im here again cos my hardware is stupid |
| 21:32.26 | owh | evilgeek: I wonder what would happen if you tried at ##windows :-) |
| 21:32.42 | korzec | installer fails on both sid and etch |
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| 21:33.08 | JordiGH | Ok, s'all good. |
| 21:33.10 | rcy | owh: oops. I guess I don't. I assumed I did since /etc/hotplug was full of all kinds of config and scripts. |
| 21:33.10 | korzec | i tried etch few months ago and the new version i got today and the same eeors occur |
| 21:33.42 | owh | rcy: Hey, don't mind me, I'm just asking questions :-) |
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| 21:33.49 | JordiGH | I figured out what the problem was. I had forgotten to update my /etc/fstab in the new partition. It seems to have mounted /dev/hda4 but was calling it /dev/hda2 because of my old /etc/fstab |
| 21:33.54 | newuserrr | does anyone could help me with ircII or tell me where i could ask? |
| 21:33.55 | msoos2 | How can I track whether the new xorg server package (that is not broken when installing) will be in the unstable? |
| 21:34.08 | gecko2 | gn8 |
| 21:34.10 | Wonko | gravity: I will send you the Xorg.0.log OK? |
| 21:34.19 | owh | msoos2: By reading bugtrack :-) |
| 21:34.26 | msoos2 | owh, where? |
| 21:34.29 | gravity | Wonko: Please put it in a pastebin |
| 21:34.33 | owh | OMG |
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| 21:34.46 | speyer | !java |
| 21:34.46 | dpkg | [java] Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 21:34.46 | JordiGH | WTF? |
| 21:34.55 | speyer | install java |
| 21:35.01 | speyer | !install java |
| 21:35.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 21:35.06 | rcy | what is the right way in debian to find what package owns a file. I tried dpkg -S /sbin/hotplug, but that came back with nothing. |
| 21:35.06 | korzec | where should be the modules on installer cd |
| 21:35.10 | msoos2 | owh, please |
| 21:35.12 | JordiGH | !tell me about java licensing |
| 21:35.26 | owh | msoos2: You're kidding right? |
| 21:35.38 | newuserrr | rcy: download dpkg-file |
| 21:35.48 | cahoot | rcy: you're not using udev by chance? |
| 21:36.02 | Wonko | gravity: Sorry, what is a pastebin? |
| 21:36.02 | korzec | why why i have so much stupid problems i cant solve |
| 21:36.19 | gravity | !tell Wonko about paster |
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| 21:36.31 | msoos2 | owh, no, I am a newbie to linux. I have only been using it as my main os for about 7 years (seriously). BUT I am not a maintainer and bugtracker and stuff |
| 21:36.42 | rcy | newuserrr: I don't understand |
| 21:36.45 | me | !tell me about debian |
| 21:36.47 | rcy | cahoot: no idea |
| 21:36.49 | msoos2 | owh, so could you simply send me the ul? |
| 21:36.51 | owh | msoos2: Just in case you're not: http://bugs.debian.org/xorg, http://packages.debian.org/xorg, http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg.html |
| 21:36.52 | msoos2 | url |
| 21:37.01 | me | Quick, someone else try it, what happens if you ask dpkg to tell me about whatever? |
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| 21:37.29 | owh | msoos2: None of those will actually tell you when it will work, because the definition of unstable is that it's experimental. |
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| 21:38.01 | korzec | plz i need alternate way to install debian |
| 21:38.02 | owh | msoos2: A better bet is to wait until it's in testing, that means that at least no-one filed any terminal bugs against it. |
| 21:38.09 | cahoot | msoos2: this might be helpful: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 21:38.18 | korzec | can i run installer on booted system? |
| 21:38.21 | pinky | When I restarted my machine a display manager I am unfamiliar with started up which only logs me into GNOME. How can I make it use kdm and KDE again? |
| 21:38.22 | owh | korzec: Alternative to what? |
| 21:38.29 | h2k | Hi, I have Xorg Debian 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6, and after some time, cpu usage raises to 100% .. any ideas? |
| 21:38.34 | newuserrr | rcy: nevermind, you wuld like to know which package has the file which exists on your filesystem, and so it is dpkg -S, and i don't know why it doasn't list |
| 21:38.44 | evilgeek | pinky: hack /etc/X11/default-session-manager or whatever. |
| 21:38.49 | owh | h2k: Run top and see what give. |
| 21:38.50 | korzec | owh alternative to booting from cd and standard installer |
| 21:38.51 | owh | +s |
| 21:39.03 | owh | korzec: What's wrong with that? |
| 21:39.07 | h2k | owh, 6737 root 25 0 64340 19m 7900 R 97.4 4.1 7:00.33 Xorg |
| 21:39.10 | Wonko | gravity: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2458 |
| 21:39.12 | JordiGH | Ah, never mind. Y'all are no fun. |
| 21:39.21 | pinky | evilgeek: I don't have a default-session-manager file in that directory |
| 21:39.22 | evilgeek | default-display-manager. sorry. |
| 21:39.25 | owh | JordiGH: Heh. |
| 21:39.26 | pinky | Oh |
| 21:39.29 | korzec | it just does not work owh |
| 21:39.35 | evilgeek | (hence "or whatever.") |
| 21:39.39 | newuserrr | does anybody use ircII ??? |
| 21:39.57 | owh | korzec: Remind me what's broken? |
| 21:40.08 | gravity | Wonko: Thanks |
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| 21:40.28 | owh | newuserrr: Sorry, I use gaim. |
| 21:40.45 | pinky | evilgeek: Do I need to run something for the changes to take effect before I restart? |
| 21:41.06 | gravity | Wonko: You've got the proprietary nvidia driver installed and it's broken |
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| 21:41.21 | evilgeek | i vaguely remember just editing it and then hitting ctrl-alt-backspace. |
| 21:41.21 | korzec | owh i dont know, it shows unreal problems , or sid team forgot to put sth on cd according to installer but its only on mine cd.... lol..... |
| 21:41.31 | JordiGH | Just to make sure this isn't a waste of time... it IS possible to make an ext3 partition grow from the end, right? Will qtparted do it? Gparted? |
| 21:41.38 | newuserrr | JordiGH: how do you list users on some channel, because my screen is to small and i suppose ircII doesn't support any pager? |
| 21:41.47 | owh | korzec: What about just using a stable CD? |
| 21:42.02 | JordiGH | newuserrr: Er... |
| 21:42.05 | korzec | stalbe installer works but etch and sid dont |
| 21:42.13 | Wonko | gravity: Should I change nvidia to nv? |
| 21:42.15 | JordiGH | newuserrr: I'll rtfm for you. One moment, please. |
| 21:42.20 | korzec | and i want to use some newer packags than stabel |
| 21:42.31 | evilgeek | korzec: have you tried installing a half-broken linux system, sticking debootstrap on it, and just running debootstrap manually? |
| 21:42.32 | gravity | Wonko: Yeah |
| 21:42.37 | owh | JordiGH: I wouldn't grow anything if you paid me, but I'm paranoid with other people's data :-) |
| 21:42.42 | gravity | Wonko: I have no idea why your nvidia driver is busted |
| 21:42.45 | gravity | Wonko: Actually... |
| 21:42.54 | gravity | Wonko: That probably won't be enough. |
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| 21:43.05 | gravity | Wonko: I don't know what to tell you. How did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 21:43.13 | korzec | what is debootstarp owh....? |
| 21:43.14 | redmoth | well kismet is giving me some guff about not being able to use the monitor ioctls of the card |
| 21:43.20 | gravity | God, I fucking hate that thing. xorg gets blamed for the god damn nvidia driver all the time |
| 21:43.30 | owh | redmoth: Hmm... |
| 21:43.48 | owh | redmoth: I'm liking your chances for looking for another driver :-) |
| 21:44.05 | redmoth | yeah |
| 21:44.15 | owh | korzec: IIRC it's a program that installs Debian on a running box of another flavour. |
| 21:44.16 | redmoth | i think they might need patched or somethin |
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| 21:44.29 | owh | redmoth: Just out of curiosity, what's the card? |
| 21:44.33 | Wonko | gravity: No, that didn't help :( |
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| 21:45.02 | korzec | owh ok ill try to get it and check out |
| 21:45.04 | mlowe | sound works, it is yahoo issue |
| 21:45.21 | gravity | Wonko: Yeah, well nvidia installed its own glx which probably broke things. |
| 21:45.23 | JordiGH | Er, newuserrr, try /help channel |
| 21:45.30 | Wonko | gravity: Well, I used apt-get I think. I tried lots of things. Maybe I messed it up somewhere... |
| 21:45.30 | owh | korzec: The debootstrap was a suggestion from evilgeek. |
| 21:45.33 | gravity | Wonko: If you used the nvidia-glx package in debian I'd recommend just ininstalling it |
| 21:45.36 | h2k | owh, about my X cpu usage problem, why is it using 80% system and 20% user? |
| 21:45.53 | korzec | oh right |
| 21:45.55 | owh | h2k: I cannot answer that. |
| 21:45.56 | korzec | :) |
| 21:45.57 | gravity | Wonko: If you used the nvidia driver from the nvidia website or whatever, you're on your own. I have no idea what that thing does |
| 21:46.01 | h2k | crap |
| 21:46.08 | h2k | X restart helps .. for some time |
| 21:46.23 | owh | h2k: Did you look at the bug reports? |
| 21:46.40 | h2k | no.. that started recently |
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| 21:46.54 | h2k | there was no upgrade afaik |
| 21:47.24 | owh | h2k: Could it be something like an applet causing grief? |
| 21:47.37 | h2k | i don't have any |
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| 21:48.08 | korzec | evilgeek, could you explain me this |
| 21:48.08 | ChickenBrain | hello, does anyone know how i can select the module ds (pcmcia) in make menuconfig |
| 21:48.49 | sciron | anyone dinked with evms in etch's testing branch? i'm wondering at it's stability at this point |
| 21:48.51 | newuserrr | JordiGH: i've read manual and there is nothing about it |
| 21:49.03 | korzec | ChickenBrain, what do you mean select |
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| 21:49.44 | ChickenBrain | korzec: it wasn't compiled |
| 21:49.48 | ChickenBrain | thus it can not be loaded |
| 21:49.54 | ChickenBrain | thus my pcmcia does not work |
| 21:50.11 | ChickenBrain | so i must have missed a selection in the kernel config |
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| 21:52.16 | korzec | dont you need yenta module ChickenBrain |
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| 21:52.53 | ChickenBrain | well, the yenta module is loaded |
| 21:53.06 | ChickenBrain | but pcmcia startup is failing by trying to load ds |
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| 21:53.38 | JordiGH | Lalala.. on Knoppix now... apt-getting gparted... point of no return draws near. |
| 21:53.59 | ChickenBrain | To compile this driver as modules, choose M here: the modules will be called pcmcia_core and ds. |
| 21:54.17 | korzec | damn :( im unhappy about performance and problems in debian |
| 21:54.38 | JordiGH | korzec :( |
| 21:54.45 | ChickenBrain | i have the pcmcia_core AND the yenta_socket |
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| 21:55.29 | ChickenBrain | and i do see the source for ds in the source code tree |
| 21:55.32 | korzec | theres also "pcmcia" module but i cant help you i havent any pc-card |
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| 21:56.09 | Wonko | gravity: Do you mind having another look now? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2459 |
| 21:56.13 | ChickenBrain | this looks like if 2.6.16.11 does not have ds anymore |
| 21:56.32 | korzec | :) |
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| 21:57.12 | gravity | Wonko: Yeah... try the vesa driver for now |
| 21:57.16 | MrPrimate | has anyone had luck with a Radeon X1300 ? the drivers don't work for me |
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| 21:57.23 | gravity | Wonko: The nv driver doesn't currently support your chipset |
| 21:57.45 | korzec | plz anybody know why konqueror is loading forever? |
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| 21:58.27 | gravity | Wonko: Anyway, I have to go for a while. If you want to run the proprietary nvida driver I recommend using the nvidia-glx package, although it's definitely possible that it's broken in etch right now... sorry. there's not much more I can do |
| 21:58.27 | Blissex | korzec: probably waiting for DNS somehow. |
| 21:59.09 | Wonko | gravity: Do you know when it will be fixed? OK, thanks alot! I will try vesa. |
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| 21:59.25 | gravity | Wonko: No idea, sorry. |
| 21:59.33 | korzec | no no not loaging page but loading itself |
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| 22:01.59 | korzec | my krwite,kate,konqueror are loading much too long....(10 mins??) and kfind freezes when i click "find" its not always but if this happen it is all in one time it is connected somehow...... how? |
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| 22:02.10 | Wonko | gravity: With vesa it seems to work! Thanks for the help! |
| 22:02.21 | gravity | Wonko: No problem |
| 22:02.38 | JordiGH | kbuildsycoca |
| 22:02.43 | JordiGH | Or kio |
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| 22:02.54 | JordiGH | One of those is responsible for loading kde apps, I think. |
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| 22:03.34 | korzec | i have some problmes with kbuildsycoca .... its probably this ! any idea how to fix this JordiGH ? |
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| 22:04.02 | JordiGH | !info kbuildsycoca |
| 22:04.24 | JordiGH | :( dpkg says it doesn't exist as a package... |
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| 22:05.16 | beefcake | my crontab is sending me emails whenever it runs a task |
| 22:05.21 | beefcake | can i stop it from doing htat? |
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| 22:06.30 | lamby | beefcake: easiest way is to stop it producing any output. ie cmd >& /dev/null |
| 22:07.02 | JordiGH | Gparted says error reading a bunch of inodes. I wonder if this is something I should be worrying about... |
| 22:07.10 | JordiGH | How can I schedule an fsck? |
| 22:07.28 | JordiGH | Oh, wait. There's no need to schedule anything. The hard drive isn't mounted. :P |
| 22:07.34 | lamby | beefcake: or cmd 1> /dev/null so it only sends you errors |
| 22:07.40 | lamby | JordiGH: hehe |
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| 22:08.48 | JordiGH | Well! |
| 22:08.55 | JordiGH | Gparted says it can do what I want it to do... |
| 22:09.04 | JordiGH | But because paranoia is always in order, let's fsck first. |
| 22:09.13 | mirak | hi |
| 22:09.26 | mirak | what's the best settings to dd from one hard drive to another ? |
| 22:09.55 | JordiGH | mirak: I told gparted to do that for me. :P |
| 22:10.14 | mirak | it's strange |
| 22:10.26 | mirak | I have a maxtor driver wich is recent |
| 22:10.44 | mirak | and it reads slower than the disk I am writting too which is from 2003 |
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| 22:11.05 | mirak | I mean with dstat I see it's reading at 6M bytes |
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| 22:11.21 | JordiGH | Er, what's the command for having fsck do a detailed check? |
| 22:11.22 | mirak | but the other writes in burst of 15 mega bytes |
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| 22:11.52 | ZEA | mirak if you dd to another drive, the new drive will have the same partition size as the original |
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| 22:12.32 | lamby | mirak: that may be the drive, but your performance more likely something to do with IDE/bios/dma etc. what's your channel setup? |
| 22:13.28 | mirak | lamby: I took care of putting them on two different channel |
| 22:13.46 | mirak | lamby: but hdb is on the same channel than system drive hda |
| 22:13.58 | mirak | channel 1 |
| 22:14.08 | sciron | 0? |
| 22:14.11 | mirak | and hdc is with the cdrom on channel 2 |
| 22:14.14 | mirak | yes 0 |
| 22:14.27 | lamby | mirak: mmm you're probably right. maybe something is turned off for the other channel? *shrugs* |
| 22:14.30 | mirak | ZEA: I know they are the same size |
| 22:14.44 | mirak | lamby: what could be off ? |
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| 22:15.12 | benkong2 | anyone here using networkmanager in debian etch with xfce4? |
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| 22:15.33 | mirak | ok dma is off on that one :-/ |
| 22:15.38 | lamby | mirak: heh |
| 22:15.47 | lamby | mirak: something like that :P |
| 22:16.04 | ifvoid | benkong2: no |
| 22:16.15 | ifvoid | benkong2: but I do use it in ubuntu with gnome ;) |
| 22:16.16 | lamby | mirak: so are you still going to copy? or just fix? :) |
| 22:16.18 | mirak | damn I used wrong jumpers |
| 22:16.19 | mirak | lol |
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| 22:16.44 | benkong2 | ifvoid, hmm I just wanted to try for some extra experience |
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| 22:17.09 | benkong2 | my wireless is supported in the kernel I just have to run the commands from the cli to get going |
| 22:17.19 | ifvoid | well, fwiw, it works pretty damn well |
| 22:17.44 | ifvoid | much easier than anything else I tried |
| 22:17.48 | benkong2 | oh yes I agree I have ubuntu dapper and FC5 on another machine and they are great |
| 22:17.48 | JordiGH | You have squashed the bugs! You gain 40 XP and 50 Gil! |
| 22:18.03 | sciron | that's a lot of XP for mere bugs :/ |
| 22:18.06 | ifvoid | JordiGH: hah |
| 22:18.18 | ifvoid | BugPG |
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| 22:18.30 | sc0tty | hello |
| 22:18.33 | enyc | ;-) |
| 22:18.35 | enyc | meep |
| 22:18.42 | mirak | hum no I used the good jumpers, it's just dma was off |
| 22:18.55 | JordiGH | Bah. fsck seems to think that /dev/hda4 is clean. |
| 22:19.02 | JordiGH | No idea how to ask it to do a detailed check, though. |
| 22:19.38 | evilgeek | fsck /dev/hda4? |
| 22:19.47 | lamby | JordiGH: i think it's fstype dependant for detailed checks |
| 22:19.53 | mirak | ah that's better, I hit 30 mega byes per second now |
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| 22:19.57 | pdbogen | JordiGH : fsck -f /dev/hda4 |
| 22:19.58 | JordiGH | ext3 filesystem. |
| 22:20.09 | JordiGH | Ah, that's it. Thanks. |
| 22:20.36 | JordiGH | Ack, why isn't that option in the manpage? |
| 22:20.37 | Fox_1_ | how to create ssh (public and private) key for svn connection?(svn client in windows) |
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| 22:20.49 | pdbogen | JordiGH: Check the man page for e2fsck |
| 22:21.03 | mirak | why isn't DMA forced on all IDE devices ? |
| 22:21.08 | pdbogen | (fsck is a wrapper script for filesystem-specific fscks) |
| 22:21.18 | pdbogen | mirak: Some IDE devices don't support DMA? |
| 22:21.33 | sciron | correct |
| 22:21.47 | mirak | pdbogen: is that possible ? |
| 22:21.51 | pdbogen | mirak: Yes. |
| 22:21.56 | lamby | pdbogen: correct, but it could be auto-on if it was supported? |
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| 22:22.06 | mirak | pdbogen: that's isane |
| 22:22.09 | pdbogen | lamby: That behaviour is a kernel option.. |
| 22:22.09 | mirak | insane |
| 22:22.11 | JordiGH | pdbogen: I'm paranoid because I'm about to mess with the partitions, and when I load gparted, it calls something from libparted that says "error reading inode somenumber" a zillion times. |
| 22:22.24 | pdbogen | mirak: Heh, I didn't say modern IDE devices don't support it. |
| 22:22.34 | pdbogen | mirak: But if you want an OS that only supports modern hardware, go use Windows Vista. |
| 22:22.38 | DragonD | what pop3 daemon would you suggest for a beginner? |
| 22:22.44 | mirak | pdbogen: well modern is at least 8 years old then |
| 22:23.06 | JordiGH | K, fsck seems to think that everything is dandy. |
| 22:23.07 | mirak | pdbogen: no I just want a smart system |
| 22:23.32 | Fox_1_ | DragonD, i use courier and it's easy to configure |
| 22:23.41 | pdbogen | mirak : Linux's priority is working out of the box on the largest set of hardware possible without breakage. In general, this means you have to sacrifice performance. |
| 22:24.19 | JordiGH | pdbogen, for once, I think you really used "Linux" properly without needing to refer to GNU software. :) |
| 22:24.28 | pdbogen | mirak: Just be glad that you /can/ tune Linux, neh? |
| 22:24.38 | pdbogen | JordiGH : Well, I do what I can. :) |
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| 22:24.47 | mirak | pdbogen: I was meaning I would prefer it to tune itself |
| 22:24.56 | mirak | "better" |
| 22:24.58 | pdbogen | mirak: So write the patches? |
| 22:24.59 | mirak | :) |
| 22:25.23 | mirak | pdbogen: are you are ridding your big horses already ? |
| 22:25.32 | mirak | :) |
| 22:25.58 | JordiGH | Alright.... |
| 22:26.02 | tknits_kitsahcot | hello. i managed to install icewm and idesk. but i cant manage to get a higher screen resolution. though i told debian not to allow screen-resolutions under 1024x768, i only get it 640x480. what can i do? |
| 22:26.06 | lamby | mirak: too many smilies! i want grumpy debian users back! :) |
| 22:26.06 | pdbogen | It's "high horse" ;) |
| 22:26.13 | pdbogen | ~lart lamby |
| 22:26.31 | sciron | debian's 2.6 kernel does typical autotune itself for IDE, at least in my 4 machines it has enabled dma appropriately |
| 22:26.31 | lamby | pdbogen: ahh, much better. :) |
| 22:26.33 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : What sort of video hardware are you using? |
| 22:26.41 | JordiGH | Here goes nothing... |
| 22:26.50 | lamby | JordiGH: good luck |
| 22:26.51 | tknits_kitsahcot | ATI Rage 128 <something> I think. |
| 22:26.54 | pdbogen | sciron : Yeah, like I said, it's one kernel option you flip that says "try DMA by default" |
| 22:27.06 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Are you using ATI's drivers or the open source drivers? |
| 22:27.17 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: i dont know. |
| 22:27.28 | sciron | pdbogen> i mean a stock out of the box etch kernel |
| 22:27.30 | JordiGH | I just hope the disk operations don't chew up all of the ram on this machine... |
| 22:27.31 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Check /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for a 'Driver' line. |
| 22:27.33 | mirak | sciron: yes me too in general, exept sometime it doesn't do well with cdrom or dvdrom. It's one of first time it's happened to me for a hard drive |
| 22:27.34 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: i used the drivers that were automatically installed by debian |
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| 22:27.49 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Well, when you installed your xserver you should have had to pick a driver. |
| 22:27.57 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : If you weren't paying attention, you might've picked vesa. |
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| 22:28.26 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: i dont think so. but if so, how can i change it/determine wether it is so? |
| 22:28.38 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Like I said, check /etc/X11/xorg.conf for lines like Driver "foo" |
| 22:28.49 | mirak | sciron: your talking about tunning, but is it possible to change how linux gives CPU ressources to processes ? (beside nice) |
| 22:28.50 | lamby | pdbogen: CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y :) you do have to get the right motherboard chipset elsewhere, or you won't get DMA support at all |
| 22:28.53 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : You can either change that line by hand, or just run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org (although I think this is wrong if you're on Sid) |
| 22:28.59 | robert83a1 | hello, I figured out I need libncurses5-devel to make menuconfig, but apt-get install libncurses5-devel shows couldn't find package, I configured apt-get to use a german and a hungarrian mirror |
| 22:29.12 | pdbogen | robert83a1 : libncurses5-dev, not -devel. |
| 22:29.19 | gravity | pdbogen: No, that's right for sid also |
| 22:29.22 | JordiGH | Er, you mean that sarge uses xfree86, not xorg, right pdbogen? |
| 22:29.25 | robert83a1 | oh thenx |
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| 22:29.35 | pdbogen | JordiGH : And Etch isn't on X11R7 yet, I think. |
| 22:29.37 | sciron | mirak> afaik, only to a limited extend by rebuilding the kernel, with ,,, looking up the schedulers now (also check out the locking features) |
| 22:29.44 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: i dont have xorg. |
| 22:29.54 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : /etc/X11/XF86Config then, I think. |
| 22:29.56 | mirak | sciron: will see that later ... |
| 22:29.57 | gravity | Also true |
| 22:29.59 | JordiGH | Heh, gparted runs e2fsck -fy twice. |
| 22:30.01 | JordiGH | Paranoia is good! |
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| 22:30.27 | pdbogen | JordiGH : I've never had much trouble with the parted softwares. |
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| 22:30.35 | sciron | mirak> i've found /proc/ide/hda/settings to be quite helpful for IDE tweaking and verifying (that's how I found out my defaults are already tuned as best as possible) |
| 22:30.38 | Loevborg | ps gives me: "0:00 [ruby] <defunct>" -- what does that mean exactly? |
| 22:31.05 | pdbogen | Loevborg : I *think* it means that process has ended, but it has children that haven't. I'm not sure, though. |
| 22:31.05 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: it tells me: Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 128 RF/SG AGP" \n Driver "ati" |
| 22:31.11 | Fox_1_ | how to login from windows to linux with ssh, without entering login and password? |
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| 22:31.26 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Hm, okay. Your monitor settings are probably wrong, then. |
| 22:31.29 | sciron | Fox_1_> Kerberos is the only way I know of SSH will allow that |
| 22:31.29 | Loevborg | pdbogen, interesting, how would I check that? |
| 22:31.40 | JordiGH | pdbogen: I had a panic attack once... when I was using ntfsresize and it chewed up all my ram, so the box started swapping and thrashing. I left it on for about twelve hours, and it still didn't finish. People needed to use... that other OS... so I had to forcefully shut it off. That other OSes disk-checking software reported error, but there was no data loss. |
| 22:31.41 | pdbogen | sciron : That's not true.. |
| 22:31.49 | pdbogen | sciron : You can do key authentication with passwordless keys. |
| 22:31.58 | sciron | pdbogen> ... forgot about those, thanks |
| 22:32.03 | pdbogen | Fox_1_ : That said, it's primarily an issue with your Windows SSH client. |
| 22:32.17 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: under "screen" i have three subsections named "Display"... but all have Modes "1920x1440" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 22:32.18 | sciron | just running through my head of sshd options, i went kerberos |
| 22:32.20 | pdbogen | Loevborg : Try checking 'ps uaxf' and see if it has children? |
| 22:32.30 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Well, it's your refresh rates that are probably wrong, if anything. |
| 22:32.37 | Soman | Anyone know of any documents on connection sharing from a debian box? |
| 22:32.43 | MoDaX | Fox_1_: putty support public/private key authentication |
| 22:32.49 | MoDaX | supports* |
| 22:32.49 | pdbogen | ~tell soman about ip masquerade |
| 22:32.51 | JordiGH | Heh, and gparted runs e2fsck twice AGAIN after it performs the resize operation. |
| 22:32.52 | JordiGH | I like this software. |
| 22:32.54 | pdbogen | Bugger. |
| 22:33.08 | Fox_1_ | MoDaX, and how to make public/private keys? |
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| 22:33.16 | pdbogen | !tell soman about ip masquerading |
| 22:33.25 | Loevborg | pdbogen, thanks, "ps faux" is a better mnemonic even |
| 22:33.26 | pdbogen | !tell soman about ipmasquerade |
| 22:33.39 | Soman | thanks pdbogen |
| 22:33.46 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: i dont even know what refresh-rates are. i choosed the default-values since the setup told me that they are the ones determined |
| 22:33.53 | pdbogen | Loevborg : Heh, well, I just know it because I normally use uax and then add an f. 'cause f is the first letter of 'tree'. It's invisible, though. Like silent letters, but the opposite... |
| 22:33.57 | Speeder | hey |
| 22:33.57 | mirak | sciron: is that possible to change the acoustic of a drive with linux or you need some special tools on windows ? |
| 22:34.01 | MoDaX | Fox_1_: ssh-keygen |
| 22:34.02 | Speeder | can someone help me? |
| 22:34.12 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : There should be a vertical and horizonal refresh rate in that file somewhere associated with your monitor. |
| 22:34.12 | Fox_1_ | MoDaX, then? |
| 22:34.16 | Speeder | I have bought today a SATA HD |
| 22:34.19 | sciron | mirak> hdparm |
| 22:34.25 | streuner | Speeder: well, what kernel? |
| 22:34.33 | Speeder | I installed Debian, then I tried to install windows |
| 22:34.43 | Speeder | But windows do not boot (Debian work fine) |
| 22:34.47 | Loevborg | pdbogen, I didn't get that :) |
| 22:34.55 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: yes, in section "Monitor". HorzSync 30-70, VertRefresh 50-130 |
| 22:35.02 | MoDaX | Fox_1_: install putty-tools; see apt-cache show putty-tools |
| 22:35.03 | Speeder | Is possible to install Debian and use the MBR to force windows to boot? |
| 22:35.05 | comsa | mmmmmmmmmm |
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| 22:35.11 | dn4 | http://myspace-092.vo.llnwd.net/00695/29/02/695622092_l.jpg |
| 22:35.14 | pdbogen | Loevborg ; try this: apt-get install read-edid && get-edid | parse-edid |
| 22:35.14 | JordiGH | Speeder: Install in reverse order. That other OS first and then Debian. The problem is that Windows is a hog and doesn't check to see if there are any other OSes on your disk. |
| 22:35.30 | Loevborg | pdbogen, I'd rather not ;) |
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| 22:35.36 | pdbogen | Loevborg : ..okay. |
| 22:35.37 | JordiGH | Speeder: So the Windows installer overwrites the MBR without so much as asking for your permission to do so. |
| 22:35.37 | edison | Help, witch script is executed when i log out with gnome ? |
| 22:35.41 | streuner | Speeder: use in this case 'chroot' |
| 22:35.41 | Fox_1_ | MoDaX, what type of key i can write? |
| 22:35.54 | pdbogen | Loevborg : I can't help you fix your problem if you're not going to do what I ask you to. |
| 22:35.59 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: where can I know the correct values from? |
| 22:36.08 | pdbogen | Loevborg : .. >.< |
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| 22:36.10 | streuner | Speeder: use a knoppix-live-CD and edit your bootloader and chroot it |
| 22:36.10 | pdbogen | Loevborg : Nevermind. |
| 22:36.14 | Loevborg | pdbogen, heh I think you're slightly overworked |
| 22:36.24 | Speeder | JordiGH I know this... |
| 22:36.31 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Do what I just told Loevborg to do. :P |
| 22:36.35 | sc0tty | anyone managed to have vnc4server run ok with sid ? |
| 22:36.36 | Speeder | JordiGH the problem is that windows refuses to boot from a SATA HD |
| 22:36.46 | pdbogen | Loevborg : Nah, the temperature is just too high here. |
| 22:36.47 | streuner | haha |
| 22:36.48 | Speeder | can I make windows boot using the GRUB? |
| 22:36.53 | mirak | sciron: so you can reduce the spin speed ? |
| 22:36.55 | pdbogen | Speeder : Yes, hold on. |
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| 22:37.02 | JordiGH | Speeder: Yes, you have to chainload it. |
| 22:37.09 | sciron | mirak> you can affect changes through the HD's accoustic settings, with hdparm |
| 22:37.15 | JordiGH | root (hd0,1) |
| 22:37.19 | JordiGH | chainloader +1 |
| 22:37.19 | pdbogen | Speeder : You do title foo \n root (whatever) \n chainloader +1 |
| 22:37.21 | MoDaX | Fox_1_: em? for putty you need putty specific format. puttygen from putty-tools can generate it |
| 22:37.35 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 22:37.39 | Speeder | Well... I've made the first partiion a 190MB boot sector for linux |
| 22:37.42 | Speeder | it can be this? |
| 22:37.46 | JordiGH | (Assuming that your ntfs partition is right after your ext3 partition, which GRUB refers to as (hd0,0)) |
| 22:37.46 | Loevborg | pdbogen, btw, zombies (defunct) don't have children, they are children of a parent doesn't care. |
| 22:37.48 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: the apt-get-stuff? |
| 22:37.53 | pdbogen | Loevborg : Ahh. |
| 22:38.08 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Yes, that'll print out a Monitor section suitable for your monitor, if it's reasonably modern (i.e., supports EDID) |
| 22:38.08 | JordiGH | Speeder: First, is GRUB already written to the MBR? |
| 22:38.22 | JordiGH | Speeder: I.e., when you boot, do you get a GRUB screen? |
| 22:38.22 | Speeder | well... |
| 22:38.35 | Speeder | I installed windows... he overwritten grub |
| 22:38.50 | Speeder | I am going to re-install debian because he installed the kernel without ACPI |
| 22:38.53 | mirak | sciron: great, I have a sept 2001 ibm 40g drive that's doing an awfull noise. I use it for my router, I don't need performances |
| 22:38.55 | pdbogen | Speeder : Boot from a debian netinstall disc, chroot to your hard drive, and re-run grub. |
| 22:39.06 | pdbogen | Re-run grub-install, rather. |
| 22:39.18 | pdbogen | mirak : Are you sure it's not dying? |
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| 22:39.26 | pdbogen | mirak : The IBM DeathStars have a pretty bad design flaw. |
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| 22:39.40 | JordiGH | or just run grub, and type the commands root (hd0,0), or wherever else your grub is, and then setup (hd0) |
| 22:39.48 | JordiGH | That'll write GRUB to the MBR. |
| 22:39.59 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: and just replace my monitor-section by this? |
| 22:40.09 | JordiGH | Ok. |
| 22:40.21 | _pinky | How would I go about uninstalling nVidia graphics drivers if I installed them from the official binary executable? |
| 22:40.28 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Well, ideally, you want to just extract the HorizSync and VertRefresh settings out of it. |
| 22:40.41 | rem__ | . |
| 22:40.51 | JordiGH | If I am not mistaken... (I'm going to soliloquise here)... After a number of operations, I have managed to resize my ext3 partition to take out 5 gigs more from the ntfs partition... |
| 22:40.56 | JordiGH | They said it couldn't be done... |
| 22:41.00 | JordiGH | But I may have done it... |
| 22:41.20 | JordiGH | Let's see what happens when I try to reboot. |
| 22:41.24 | mirak | pdbogen: no it's not, I have a maxtor of the same period that also do an awfull spin noise. It's the plate who do that noise, not the heads. I know the noise of a dying hard drive lol |
| 22:41.25 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: they are exactly the same. everything is the same except that there are more "modes"... |
| 22:41.27 | JordiGH | See you on the other side, hopefully. |
| 22:41.50 | mirak | pdbogen: I think noise standars were not the same at this time |
| 22:42.13 | SlyChocobo | Shit.. |
| 22:42.20 | pdbogen | tknits_kitsahcot : Hmm, I'm not sure what to tell you, then. Try killing X completely, and then running 'startx' as root to see WHY it's not using the higher resolutions. |
| 22:42.21 | SlyChocobo | Uh, can you reset the root password on MySQL? |
| 22:42.26 | mirak | pdbogen: I have also a 600mo scsi drive from a powermac of probably 1995. You wouldn't believe the noise it's doing |
| 22:42.50 | SlyChocobo | (without destroying the database) |
| 22:43.02 | speyer | i need xmms-wma any ideea guys ? |
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| 22:43.44 | tknits_kitsahcot | pdbogen: before i do... could the reason be that in the config-file there are not the "Mode"-Sections inside the "Monitor"-Section? |
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| 22:46.04 | pdbogen | speyer : http://apt-get.org ? |
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| 22:46.53 | TeamCanada|Silen | can I please have a link to a newbie howto for mounting/chmod/chown ? |
| 22:46.55 | TeamCanada|Silen | and fstab |
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| 22:48.40 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : For all of those..? |
| 22:48.48 | TeamCanada|Silen | if possible |
| 22:48.58 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : You should try reading the man files for chmod, chown, and fstab a couple times. They aren't /too/ hard to understand. |
| 22:49.08 | TeamCanada|Silen | yes they are ;P |
| 22:49.18 | skiphoppy | Trying to install Debian 3.1 on an emachine, and the CD-ROM drive is not recognized. Any pointers? I can boot from the CD-ROM, but during the installation it claims it can't recognize it. |
| 22:49.20 | pdbogen | I have no suggestions, then. :) |
| 22:49.27 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : Is it SATA or IDE? |
| 22:49.29 | TeamCanada|Silen | I've read the newbiedoc, it was very helpful |
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| 22:49.33 | skiphoppy | IDE |
| 22:49.41 | skiphoppy | do I just need to find the right boot parameter or something? |
| 22:49.56 | skiphoppy | I can get the exact type of CD ROM from one of the boot messages, some where, if that will help. |
| 22:49.59 | pdbogen | Probably not.. It might be an unsupported IDE chipset on the motherboard, though. |
| 22:50.36 | skiphoppy | I know RedHat can handle it fine. :) |
| 22:50.47 | TeamCanada|Silen | is there a way to inver console colour? - the white on black is annoying |
| 22:50.47 | skiphoppy | But I'm wanting Debian on there, and have been working on it for two days. |
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| 22:51.38 | skiphoppy | pdbogen, do you mean unsupported by linux itself, or what? I know the hardware is supported somehow. |
| 22:51.49 | skiphoppy | Unfortunately I have royally torched what was previously on this system. |
| 22:52.03 | skiphoppy | I can now boot to a very minimal, very screwed up Debian system that has no networking at all. |
| 22:52.13 | skiphoppy | I really just want to do a network install. |
| 22:52.16 | pdbogen | So, Debian's installed on the hard drive, but it can't find the CD? |
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| 22:52.42 | skiphoppy | Yeah, I'm officially to that point, although I think I need to start over. |
| 22:52.52 | pdbogen | What version of the kernel is installed? |
| 22:52.52 | skiphoppy | The long drawn out history: |
| 22:52.57 | pdbogen | (2.4 or 2.6?) |
| 22:53.03 | skiphoppy | lemme check :) |
| 22:53.12 | SlyChocobo | Okay, How do you remove.. mysql, and *all* files relating to it |
| 22:53.15 | SlyChocobo | A total purge |
| 22:53.18 | skiphoppy | I think it's 2.6 |
| 22:53.31 | pdbogen | Well, unless you told it to, I think debian would've used a 2.4. |
| 22:53.34 | skiphoppy | The install that I coerced onto it today is from sarge. |
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| 22:53.37 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : apt-get --purge remove \*mysql\* ? |
| 22:53.40 | skiphoppy | It's probably 2.4, then. |
| 22:53.55 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : Try reinstalling from the bootcd, but use 'linux26' or whatever. |
| 22:54.08 | skiphoppy | ok, hang on |
| 22:54.08 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I check user id numbers? |
| 22:54.10 | pdbogen | (I use expert26, but that might give you options that confuse you.) |
| 22:54.14 | skiphoppy | I'm sure I'll be back in a minute with more questions! :) |
| 22:54.15 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : getent passwd |
| 22:54.15 | SlyChocobo | That.. doesnet do anyhint |
| 22:54.17 | skiphoppy | thx |
| 22:54.25 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : Did you use Debian packges for MySQL? |
| 22:54.26 | SlyChocobo | When I hit return I get "> " on a newline |
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| 22:54.31 | SlyChocobo | Yes I did |
| 22:54.34 | skiphoppy | Actually, pdb, I've found that install hangs unless I use expert. |
| 22:54.38 | TeamCanada|Silen | pd, will that give me the user that's logged in or all of them? |
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| 22:54.42 | SlyChocobo | the database is badly corrupted though, and its no-longer accepting my logon |
| 22:54.46 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : You didn't include the '?', did you? |
| 22:54.50 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : All users. |
| 22:54.52 | SlyChocobo | Nope |
| 22:55.12 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : Okay, then, do: dpkg -l \*mysql\* and apt-get --purge remove each one in turn. |
| 22:55.19 | skiphoppy | For the record, I just verified that what got installed on there is 2.4.7 |
| 22:55.23 | pdbogen | (Well, only the ones that start with 'ii'. |
| 22:55.26 | pdbogen | ) |
| 22:55.46 | skiphoppy | I tried the netboot CD, but I seemed to get in an infinite loop: type hostname, successful DHCP, type hostname, successful DHPC, ... |
| 22:55.49 | SlyChocobo | There are a lot.. |
| 22:56.03 | DamianXL | i just installed "dev-php4" |
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| 22:56.19 | DamianXL | i've been search all around my debian installation for the php directory |
| 22:56.21 | SlyChocobo | E: Regex compliation error - Invalid preceding regualr expression |
| 22:56.23 | SlyChocobo | wtf? |
| 22:56.23 | DamianXL | where da heck is it??? |
| 22:56.30 | skiphoppy | Okay, booting with expert26. |
| 22:56.33 | Chepe__jwm | which certification is better linux+ or rhct thanks |
| 22:56.36 | TeamCanada|Silen | !enter |
| 22:56.36 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 22:56.38 | skiphoppy | I'll quit giving the running commentary if it bugs anyone. :) |
| 22:56.39 | pdbogen | DamianXL : "the php directory"? |
| 22:56.51 | DamianXL | pdbogen: i mean the folder |
| 22:56.56 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : You typed it exactly like I said, backslashes and all? |
| 22:57.01 | pdbogen | DamianXL : I still have no idea what you want. |
| 22:57.02 | DamianXL | used apt-get to isntall it |
| 22:57.10 | lamby | DamianXL: try dpkg -L dev-php4 |
| 22:57.12 | SlyChocobo | Yes |
| 22:57.20 | pdbogen | Are you asking for where it put the files? Or where you need to put your .php files? |
| 22:57.24 | SlyChocobo | Hm, let me try something.. |
| 22:57.29 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : That's quite odd. |
| 22:57.31 | skiphoppy | No, same problem! CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. |
| 22:57.33 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I list permissions for a file/directory? |
| 22:57.52 | streuner | ls -l |
| 22:57.53 | lamby | TeamCanada|Silen: ls -l |
| 22:57.55 | TeamCanada|Silen | thanks |
| 22:57.56 | SlyChocobo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.57 | DamianXL | doesn't php has a default place where it puts itself? |
| 22:57.58 | SlyChocobo | *Nope |
| 22:58.05 | pdbogen | DamianXL : PHP isn't one file... |
| 22:58.06 | DamianXL | cuz i can't find it in var or etc |
| 22:58.09 | DamianXL | i konw |
| 22:58.13 | SlyChocobo | E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression |
| 22:58.14 | pdbogen | DamianXL : WTF are you looking for? |
| 22:58.27 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : ah, what shell are you using? |
| 22:58.28 | DamianXL | pdbogen: but from Windows i know that it puts itself in a folder |
| 22:58.34 | DamianXL | usually u can define that folder |
| 22:58.41 | SlyChocobo | bash |
| 22:58.41 | pdbogen | DamianXL : This isn't Windows. |
| 22:58.43 | DamianXL | but the linux version doesn't let me... |
| 22:58.45 | pdbogen | SlyChocobo : *shrugs* |
| 22:58.50 | pdbogen | DamianXL : What are you looking for? |
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| 22:58.57 | DamianXL | configuring it |
| 22:59.01 | DamianXL | and making it run with apache |
| 22:59.02 | DamianXL | :( |
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| 22:59.13 | pdbogen | DamianXL : You need to configure Apache for that. |
| 22:59.14 | DamianXL | searching for php.ini or so |
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| 22:59.27 | DamianXL | and where is the php module? |
| 22:59.28 | pdbogen | DamianXL : PHP configuration *should* be in /etc/php or something similarly named. |
| 22:59.28 | JordiGH | WOOHOO! |
| 22:59.31 | JordiGH | It worked! |
| 22:59.36 | pdbogen | DamianXL : In the libapache#-mod-php package. |
| 22:59.37 | sinisterr | DamianXL: try locate php.ini |
| 22:59.42 | DamianXL | that's the problem.... |
| 22:59.42 | lamby | JordiGH: wooo! |
| 22:59.47 | jdhutchin1 | DamianXL, you should search the internet for a readme- if you install the right package, iirc, it configures itself |
| 22:59.47 | DamianXL | there is no /etc/php |
| 22:59.49 | JordiGH | I have managed to shrink ntfs by 5 gigs and give ext3 5 more gigs! |
| 22:59.54 | JordiGH | Wow, that was complicated. |
| 23:00.03 | pdbogen | jdhutchin1 : Apache still needs some extra configuration, actually. |
| 23:00.07 | pdbogen | JordiGH : That's nothing. |
| 23:00.17 | pdbogen | JordiGH : Try turning three full drives and one blank one into a 3+1 RAID array without losing data. |
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| 23:00.46 | jdhutchin1 | DamianXL, so then php4 needs minimum configuration before you can use it- try finding a debian readme about it, instead of using a generic one or a windows one |
| 23:00.46 | navaburo | hello |
| 23:00.48 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
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| 23:01.04 | TeamCanada|Silen | I have an fstab entry for mounting /dev/hdb1 with the options "ro,user,auto" and it isn't mounted |
| 23:01.05 | navaburo | do i need to manualy start smbd? |
| 23:01.07 | pdbogen | DamianXL : What version of apache do you have installed? |
| 23:01.09 | JordiGH | Regardless, I award myself a geek cookie. |
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| 23:01.11 | pdbogen | navaburo : Should start on its own. |
| 23:01.15 | BullWeivel | anyone great with scipting?? I need to make a script ping a host, and if it gets no response, then it pings 5 more times. If it does not get a response from the pings it checks to see if the PPTP tunnel is open, and if it is is closes it and starts it back up. Then tries to ping again..if it can't then sends an email saying it is down. Where do I start :) Needs to be a bash script |
| 23:01.18 | navaburo | pdbogen, ? |
| 23:01.36 | DamianXL | pdbogen: apache2 |
| 23:01.38 | pdbogen | navaburo : If you have samba installed, smbd should be started automatically. |
| 23:01.39 | navaburo | pdbogen, i am trying to just share out a home folder with the KDE control panel wizard. |
| 23:01.40 | DamianXL | with php4 |
| 23:01.45 | pdbogen | DamianXL : did you install libapache2-mod-php ? |
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| 23:01.46 | simonrvn | BullWeivel: sounds like you need nagios or something |
| 23:02.06 | skiphoppy | BullWeivel: see what value #? gives you after successful vs. unsuccessful pings. I think you can use that value to check in your script. But I'd use Perl, myself. :) |
| 23:02.07 | pdbogen | DamianXL : Rather, libapache2-mod-php4 or -php5, depending on which one you want. |
| 23:02.09 | BullWeivel | simonrun: Well this is between two openWRT boxes, so nagios would not fit onto the flash :) |
| 23:02.12 | navaburo | pdbogen, so i need to do apt-get install samba ? |
| 23:02.21 | pdbogen | navaburo : Yes. |
| 23:02.49 | alexk_ | when upgrading from the 2.4 to 2.6 kernel do i just need to install the binary via aptitude and restart? |
| 23:02.51 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I check the gid of a user? |
| 23:02.53 | navaburo | pdbogen, hehe. i thought since i was using konqueror as a smb client that the server was installed |
| 23:02.57 | DamianXL | pdbogen: u know what's sad?? i still can't find the apachemod file.. |
| 23:03.03 | pdbogen | navaburo : Client != server |
| 23:03.05 | pdbogen | DamianXL : Eh? |
| 23:03.07 | DamianXL | i mean the php mod file |
| 23:03.20 | pdbogen | DamianXL : Are you using PHP4 or PHP5? |
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| 23:03.32 | skiphoppy | Hey, it says my CD-ROM is "SAMSUNG SCR-3232, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive." Does that provide any clues for what I need to do to make this thing work? |
| 23:03.47 | DamianXL | php4 |
| 23:03.49 | _pinky | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 23:03.58 | _pinky | When I type "glxinfo" I get that line ^ |
| 23:04.04 | _pinky | But I have an nVidia card... |
| 23:04.05 | navaburo | pdbogen, ah... file sharing bliss. Thankyou god of samba cofiguration |
| 23:04.14 | pdbogen | DamianXL : dpkg -L libapache-mod-php4 |
| 23:04.17 | pdbogen | DamianXL : dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php4 rather |
| 23:04.21 | JordiGH | skiphoppy: will mount -t /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom do the trick, as root? |
| 23:04.23 | _pinky | How do I tell it to recognize the nvidia card? |
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| 23:04.34 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : IDE CD-ROM drives *should* just work, as long as your IDE chipset is supported. |
| 23:04.39 | beered | If I have udma5 hda, what is my idebus grub parameter supposed to be? Default of 33 just seems to low. |
| 23:04.41 | JordiGH | er, without the -t. |
| 23:04.43 | _pinky | (drivers are installed and X is working but I can't run OpenGl apps like UT2004) |
| 23:04.43 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : I.e., I have no idea what your problem is. |
| 23:04.46 | skiphoppy | No, I get "/dev/hdc is not a valid block device." |
| 23:04.58 | JordiGH | skiphoppy: Er... is there a CD in the drive? :P |
| 23:04.59 | DamianXL | wtf?? not installed! I just installed it in "apt-get" menu |
| 23:05.03 | DamianXL | :S |
| 23:05.04 | skiphoppy | pdbogen, I'm confiden that my chipset is supported, because I can make other Linux installs read it. |
| 23:05.13 | skiphoppy | Yes, there's a CD, but that's a good question. :) |
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| 23:05.27 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : Are you using the newest available netinst CD? |
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| 23:05.39 | pdbogen | DamianXL : apt-get menu...? |
| 23:05.46 | skiphoppy | pdbogen: the newest available netinst CD goes into an infinite loop |
| 23:05.55 | Tiberio | Hi, I try access to MS SQL server using sqsh, but I got the message error "Segmentation fault". |
| 23:05.56 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : You should file a bug report. |
| 23:06.00 | DamianXL | uhm... the "apt" u get when u run "base-config" |
| 23:06.09 | skiphoppy | pdbogen: it asks for a hostname, gets a DHCP link, asks for a hostname, etc. |
| 23:06.10 | DamianXL | you get a menu where u can select which package u install |
| 23:06.13 | JordiGH | DamianXL: Aptitude? |
| 23:06.16 | DamianXL | yep |
| 23:06.18 | pdbogen | DamianXL : Try just running: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 23:06.22 | JordiGH | DamianXL: Did you commit changes? |
| 23:06.22 | skiphoppy | pdbogen: Yeah, but I'd like to coerce an install on there somehow, tonight. :) |
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| 23:06.48 | speyer | can you guys please tell me where do i get " xmms-wma " from ? i need wma support for xmms .. |
| 23:06.49 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : I honestly can't think of a reason that your hard drive would work but the CD-ROM wouldn't. |
| 23:06.51 | skiphoppy | pdbogen: with Sparc I still have to install woody instead of sarge. But with i386 woody, my hard drive isn't recognized. |
| 23:06.53 | DamianXL | hmm |
| 23:06.56 | DamianXL | that's odd |
| 23:06.57 | pdbogen | speyer : try http://apt-get.org |
| 23:07.10 | JordiGH | !info xmms-wma |
| 23:07.22 | speyer | pdbogen thanks |
| 23:07.24 | skiphoppy | If someone could give me a suggestion on how to boot woody and tell it my hard drive is /dev/hde instead of /dev/hda, that might help. |
| 23:07.25 | DamianXL | it's installing... but... but... it told me that it installed allready... at least... i installed "dev-php4" |
| 23:07.34 | DamianXL | thought that it was the right one.... |
| 23:07.36 | DamianXL | guess not |
| 23:07.41 | skiphoppy | I'm thinking I tried to boot "linux root=/dev/hde" but it didn't work ... can't remember what the problem was. |
| 23:07.44 | JordiGH | Oy, doesn't exist. |
| 23:07.51 | skiphoppy | But I can try it again, since nothing else is working. :) |
| 23:08.11 | JordiGH | skiphoppy: Why does it matter what your hard drive is called? |
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| 23:08.34 | JordiGH | Oh, and you're using LILO... that's not nice. :( |
| 23:08.36 | skiphoppy | JordiGH: because woody seems to think it's an unforgiveable sin that my hard drive is /dev/hde instead of /dev/hda. |
| 23:08.49 | pdbogen | !info dev-php4 |
| 23:08.53 | skiphoppy | JordiGH: I love grub, but I can't help what's on the install CD. |
| 23:08.59 | JordiGH | skiphoppy: It just means it found your hard drive before it found other IDE devices. |
| 23:09.29 | JordiGH | The Linux kernel names your devices in the order it found them. The names aren't fixed. |
| 23:10.32 | pdbogen | That's kind of rude. |
| 23:10.41 | gravity | JordiGH: Don't do that |
| 23:10.43 | JordiGH | The ping? |
| 23:10.49 | gravity | Ping the whole channel |
| 23:10.54 | FiNaLBeTa | Indeed |
| 23:10.57 | skiphoppy | Okay, wait, if I boot the woody install CD, the problem seems to be that it can't find my network device. |
| 23:11.12 | skiphoppy | So how can I convince it it needs to load the 3c509 ethernet driver before getting going? |
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| 23:11.39 | JordiGH | Sorry. I couldn't tell if I was disconnected or net. It's just me who gets flooded with ping replies anyways, isn't it? skiphoppy wasn't ponging, so I wanted to know if it was me or them. |
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| 23:11.50 | robert83a1 | hi, success!!!! arbitrator9.62 build on debian with 2.6.5 kernel and gcc3.3 |
| 23:11.51 | robert83a1 | :) |
| 23:11.51 | skiphoppy | I wasn't huh? |
| 23:11.54 | robert83a1 | love this sh*t |
| 23:11.59 | skiphoppy | I'm an unregistered nick, and that might be the problem. |
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| 23:12.15 | JordiGH | I solved my problem too! |
| 23:12.20 | robert83a1 | me thanking you for helpings :) |
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| 23:12.48 | JordiGH | robert83a1: Curious, how did you compile the kernel? Did the apt-get build-dep commands work? Did you use it? |
| 23:12.54 | pdbogen | JordiGH : Next time just talk to the bot. |
| 23:12.59 | robert83a1 | apt-get build-dep kernel-2.6. what it was |
| 23:13.03 | robert83a1 | installed the needed stuff |
| 23:13.09 | robert83a1 | then apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 23:13.13 | pdbogen | JordiGH : Pings are usually seen as a way to get someone's attention, and you just pinged like 800 people. |
| 23:13.34 | robert83a1 | and downloaded the software arbi,bridge... and ran the script from arbit , built bridge and did make and it went past it |
| 23:13.52 | JordiGH | Oh, really? People actually have some sort of notifications when they get a ping? |
| 23:13.56 | skiphoppy | Is there a boot parameter to specify a network driver to preload? |
| 23:13.58 | robert83a1 | yep :) |
| 23:14.06 | robert83a1 | people do get notifications |
| 23:14.08 | lamby | JordiGH: mine peeped :) |
| 23:14.10 | skiphoppy | JordiGH: it gave me all kinds of weird error messages. :) |
| 23:14.25 | lamby | JordiGH: yeah, you crashed my entire system! :o |
| 23:14.37 | robert83a1 | the internet went down because of you :)) |
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| 23:14.45 | pdbogen | JordiGH : I actually have pings wired up to deliver electric shocks to a number of very cute animals. |
| 23:14.47 | robert83a1 | I was unable to access MCP temporarely |
| 23:14.48 | JordiGH | soorry! |
| 23:14.48 | pdbogen | JordiGH : I hope you're happy. |
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| 23:15.24 | robert83a1 | well tis been a good day n all, nighty night :) 01:15 here |
| 23:15.26 | skiphoppy | Okay, I think I'm going to give up and take a walk, then call a friend whose an expert and see if he wants 20 bucks to coerce Debian onto this machine. |
| 23:15.42 | skiphoppy | robert83a1: It's 23:15 here, but I go by UTC regardless of my location. |
| 23:15.44 | skiphoppy | :) |
| 23:16.16 | pdbogen | skiphoppy : Wait, $20? |
| 23:16.25 | skiphoppy | lol |
| 23:16.25 | JordiGH | I've been trying to switch to UTC. But daylight savings time screws me up. |
| 23:16.43 | skiphoppy | Well, I know a guy who can probably do it, but I haven't seen him in a few years. |
| 23:17.23 | skiphoppy | JordiGH: actually I switched to UTC because I was sick of daylight saving time. I do have to deal with a changing offset, but I try to just remember when the sun rises and sets. Now I just need to convince everyone else to schedule the same way, and ignore DST. |
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| 23:17.45 | skiphoppy | In an hour maybe I'll have my friend over here, and he'll be asking all the weird questions on IRC. :) |
| 23:17.59 | lamby | look forward to it :P |
| 23:18.10 | JordiGH | Also, changing the clock on the box. Ugh. Since dst is political, not scientific, there's no way to automate it. |
| 23:18.50 | lamby | JordiGH: box? |
| 23:18.54 | JordiGH | Computer. |
| 23:19.00 | skiphoppy | JordiGH: that's the easy part. Set your TZ environment variable to UTC. Then you'll never look back. :) |
| 23:19.08 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 23:19.08 | simonrvn | i always set utc on my machines, and set localtime in my own shell rc files |
| 23:19.24 | JordiGH | But then... that other OS gets confused. |
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| 23:19.28 | JordiGH | Stupid stupid other OS. |
| 23:19.29 | skiphoppy | JordiGH: you know that all those changes are actually handled, right? Your box keeps time internally as UTC, and has a huge database of ... |
| 23:19.31 | skiphoppy | OH. |
| 23:19.32 | skiphoppy | The other OS. |
| 23:19.40 | skiphoppy | But even the other OS uses the UNIX approach nowadays. |
| 23:19.44 | JordiGH | Really? |
| 23:19.51 | skiphoppy | You shouldn't have to be telling any modern OS when to change DST. |
| 23:20.03 | JordiGH | 'Bout time... how long did it take them to implement a multi-user environment? :P |
| 23:20.14 | skiphoppy | UNIX contains a gigantic database of every time change that has ever occurred and the rules for all changes that will occur. |
| 23:20.36 | skiphoppy | I'm pretty sure my other OS'es have been able to handle the DST change automatically since at least 1999, actually. |
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| 23:20.58 | JordiGH | That's impossible. The man pages about tzconfig says that they have completely deprecated dst. |
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| 23:21.26 | skiphoppy | Who has deprecated DST. The U.S. Congress? That would be great... |
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| 23:21.51 | pdbogen | Far from it, skiphoppy. They just changed it, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 23:21.52 | stoned | Hi, I am running debian sid, and after two months, I just dist-upgraded my packages. Upon restart of the computer, I cannot get into X, because module nvidia is giving shit. I removed nvidia* and the kernel module, rebuilt it with m-a a-i -f nvidia, it builds, it can then modprobe nvidia, and no errors, I try to get into X again, and I get the following: API mistach: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-8178 but this X module has the v |
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| 23:22.10 | skiphoppy | Yeah, they just changed it and made it worse. |
| 23:22.18 | pdbogen | stoned : What's the rest of that? |
| 23:22.21 | k-god | skiphoppy: The issue is that Linux handles time by setting UTC for the HW, then applying localtime to shells and processes. UTC never changes. Microsoft applies localtime to the HW clock and changes that with DST. |
| 23:22.22 | Thanatermesis | what is the "hi" value on a dpkg -l | grep package ? |
| 23:22.24 | stoned | ..1.0-8756. Please make sure that the kernel module and nvidia driver comopnents are the same version |
| 23:22.36 | Thanatermesis | "ii" = installed, "hi" = ? |
| 23:22.38 | stoned | how exactly do I fix this version problem |
| 23:22.56 | skiphoppy | k-god: iirc, you can tell Linux that your hardware clock is (sadly) set to something besides UTC, and it'll convert. I guess maybe that still causes the DST problem, though? |
| 23:23.00 | JordiGH | From the gettimeofday manpage: |
| 23:23.01 | JordiGH | Of course it turned out that the period in which Daylight Saving Time is in force cannot |
| 23:23.01 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.02 | skiphoppy | Oh, well. I'm going for that walk. |
| 23:23.03 | pdbogen | stoned : The kernel module didn't get recompiled. |
| 23:23.11 | pdbogen | stoned : Or, the wrong one is loaded. |
| 23:23.19 | pdbogen | stoned : Did you try rebooting again? |
| 23:23.34 | stoned | pdbogen did you read what I said? |
| 23:23.51 | k-god | skiphoppy: Yes. |
| 23:23.55 | pdbogen | stoned : Well, yeah, but I also read the error messages you're saying it produced. |
| 23:23.56 | simonrvn | Thanatermesis: man dpkg |
| 23:24.15 | pdbogen | stoned : It think the kernel module is 8178, and the X module is 8756. So either the kernel module didn't get rebuilt, or the new one isn't loaded. |
| 23:24.19 | k-god | skiphoppy: The problem *then* is that both OSs know they've got to do the DST conversion, but can't tell one another that they've already taken care of it. |
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| 23:24.25 | stoned | pdbogen, well, I recompiled, and after which it told me the version othing, before it would simply say nvidia module not present |
| 23:24.32 | k-god | skiphoppy: ... so you end up applying DST or standard time twice. |
| 23:24.40 | pdbogen | stoned : rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia and try again. |
| 23:24.44 | stoned | pdbogen thats exactly it, you nailed it |
| 23:24.45 | k-god | skiphoppy: The solution _there_ is to use a timeserver to tell you what time it is. |
| 23:24.54 | stoned | ok |
| 23:25.20 | lamby | k-god: i use a usb gps device to give me the time on my desktop :) |
| 23:25.34 | k-god | lamby: That could work. |
| 23:25.44 | k-god | skiphoppy: My preference is to avoid That Other OS ;-) |
| 23:25.58 | Thanatermesis | simonrvn not in: dpkg, dselect, deb-control |
| 23:26.04 | skiphoppy | Mine, too, k-god, which was why I didn't realize it was a problem. :) |
| 23:26.21 | pdbogen | lamby : Heh, fancy. |
| 23:26.29 | pdbogen | lamby : I just use random NTP servers. |
| 23:26.31 | simonrvn | Thanatermesis: then read the dpkg -l header. dpkg -l | head -n 6 |
| 23:26.42 | JordiGH | I wish I could avoid it too... but my (l)users will hear nothing about it. |
| 23:26.43 | stoned | pdbogen, hey, the problem was fixed after rebooting. I didn't have to do anything else bu treboot, |
| 23:26.43 | speyer | my main channel is pcm how will i make the default one front ? |
| 23:26.44 | k-god | skiphoppy: Dual-booting is almost always an unhappy compromise anyhow. |
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| 23:26.51 | stoned | I hate this rebooting business |
| 23:26.57 | speyer | because if the first channel is pcm i cannot turn the volume down ..while scrolling down |
| 23:26.58 | pdbogen | stoned : Yeah, that's because rebooting implicitly unloaded the module and loaded the new one. |
| 23:27.08 | pdbogen | stoned : You could've done the rmmod/modprobe thing instead, methinks. |
| 23:27.14 | lamby | pdbogen: me too.. i haven't bothered to turn it into its own timeserver... just like having *the* time sometimes :-) |
| 23:27.17 | stoned | well the kernel was updated |
| 23:27.29 | stoned | pdbogen by the time you tole me that I had already restarted |
| 23:27.37 | stoned | that _WAS_ your first suggestion |
| 23:27.37 | pdbogen | lamby : I have a nifty Garmin handheld GPS device, but I've never been willing to drop the $50 for the serial cable for it. |
| 23:27.47 | pdbogen | stoned : That's true. |
| 23:27.57 | simonrvn | modprobe supports -r now, FYI |
| 23:27.59 | pdbogen | stoned : Although, to be fair, it was a question, not a suggestion. |
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| 23:28.11 | pdbogen | simonrvn : Get off my lawn. |
| 23:28.27 | stoned | simonrvn doh |
| 23:28.41 | stoned | pdbogen goes bout the nerdy way ;) |
| 23:28.48 | stylie | My xorg have some problems finding my xfonts... if I start gv on some postscript file I get: Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-Helvetica-Medium-R-Normal--*-140-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct but doing xlsfonts -fn "*Helvetica*ISO8859*" gives me 160 lines of that font... however running xfontsel gives me : Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font ... does anybody have an idea of what to do? (I have tried xset fp default ; |
| 23:28.49 | simonrvn | pdbogen: your problem being? |
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| 23:28.58 | pdbogen | simonrvn : Heh, nothing. :) |
| 23:29.08 | pdbogen | simonrvn : Alternatively: Too many to name. Take your pick. ;) |
| 23:29.38 | stoned | pdbogen how does a hex editor modify memory |
| 23:29.41 | lamby | pdbogen: mine's usb only, so it's a bit unweildy, but it works. no signal on planes though, which ruined my plans of plotting myself flying around europe |
| 23:29.49 | JordiGH | <Klaxon> Dammit... I'm trying to work with this ridiculously religious client... |
| 23:29.50 | JordiGH | <Klaxon> He can't set up his forum because he's refusing to chmod 666 :( |
| 23:29.54 | pdbogen | lamby : Odd, that. |
| 23:29.55 | stoned | pdbogen don't you need a memory mapper, a disassembler, etc. |
| 23:30.02 | streuner | stylie: sid? |
| 23:30.15 | pdbogen | stoned : I'm not sure if /dev/mem will let you write to memory as well as read from. |
| 23:30.28 | JordiGH | I sure as hell hope it doesn't let you write to it. |
| 23:30.43 | stoned | pdbogen I hack diablo 2 dlls for d2mods.com, I use ollydbg a lot in windows |
| 23:30.45 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I change the ownership of an item in fstab... or is chown permanent? |
| 23:30.49 | JordiGH | That's what a segfault is for! |
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| 23:30.52 | lamby | pdbogen: did have to hide it somewhat from the stewardessess.. console windows flying past etc. might get them a little jumpy :) |
| 23:30.56 | Thanatermesis | thx simonrvn |
| 23:30.56 | stoned | I have never disassembed a linux program |
| 23:31.16 | JordiGH | !elf |
| 23:31.16 | dpkg | [elf] information on ELF can be found at ftp://tsx.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/ELF.doc.tar.gz,text doc here: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/ELF.txt. |
| 23:31.43 | streuner | TeamCanada|Silen: man fstab, man chmod, man chown |
| 23:31.48 | stylie | streuner: etch with unstable testing and stable in sources.list and :) lol... APT::Default-Release "untesting" in apt.conf... think I'll start by changing that to testing or unstable :) |
| 23:31.52 | JordiGH | Ah, executable and linkable format. I've been wondering what "elf" meant. |
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| 23:32.16 | JordiGH | The untesting distro... |
| 23:32.19 | madrid | alguem fala portugues |
| 23:32.21 | stylie | :) |
| 23:32.22 | stoned | untesting? |
| 23:32.36 | streuner | stylie: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges, and read changelog of the X package |
| 23:32.38 | JordiGH | madrid: No, but I can understand a bit of portuguese. |
| 23:32.39 | stylie | yes I was a bit fast when I changed that file I think :) |
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| 23:32.52 | stoned | pene de cabra! |
| 23:32.54 | stoned | i'm done |
| 23:32.55 | stylie | streuner: ok thanks |
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| 23:33.31 | stoned | im gonna get bac on linux |
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| 23:33.33 | stoned | brb |
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| 23:34.16 | DavidFox | Hello, I've had a big issue on etch - pam / su /sudo /login apparently are broken since an update a few days ago. I have to boot from a knoppix |
| 23:34.27 | Aghaster | how do i enable XIM in every GTK application by default? |
| 23:34.36 | gozz | do i need a special plugin to play dvds? |
| 23:34.43 | JordiGH | Oy. Can you boot in single-user mood, DavidFox? |
| 23:34.51 | JordiGH | Er, mode. |
| 23:34.53 | k-god | !tell gozz about marillat |
| 23:35.08 | k-god | gozz: You'll need the decss code, illegal in the US. |
| 23:35.11 | beardy_ | gozz: Not a plugin, but libdvdcss. |
| 23:35.15 | DavidFox | Jord: maybe, but booted knoppix and figured out how to chroot into my debian root |
| 23:35.42 | shogunx | beardy_ isnt that libdvdread4 now? |
| 23:35.44 | k-god | !tell gozz about decss |
| 23:35.46 | JordiGH | Good enough, probably better. |
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| 23:36.07 | beardy_ | !libdvdcss |
| 23:36.07 | dpkg | i guess libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh, or see <marillat> |
| 23:36.11 | gozz | thanks |
| 23:36.15 | beardy_ | shogunx: Might be. |
| 23:36.23 | stoned | here is another proble, after this sid upgrade |
| 23:36.24 | DavidFox | Jordi: but that's only 1/2 way there - i can mount my dirs and stuff but not everything I need is there |
| 23:36.30 | k-god | Hrm. It's not patents but 17 USC 502 anti-circ that's the problem. |
| 23:36.31 | JordiGH | But that's very strange... I haven't dist-upgraded in a while myself, so I can't fathom what the problem could be. |
| 23:37.06 | pdbogen | k-god : DMCA in the states is an issue. |
| 23:37.14 | DavidFox | I've been on etch since November. Do I just sit tight and wait for an upgrade? I posted to debianuser |
| 23:37.27 | streuner | !factinfo libdvdcss |
| 23:37.27 | dpkg | libdvdcss -- last modified at Mon Mar 6 03:13:21 2006 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman. |
| 23:37.40 | k-god | pdbogen: That's what I said. |
| 23:37.51 | shogunx | pdbogen if it was still a free country it would be a different story. |
| 23:37.54 | pdbogen | k-god : ..Yes, you win. |
| 23:37.58 | k-god | pdbogen: DMCA is copyright law (17 USC section 512) anti-circ provisions. *NOT* patents. |
| 23:38.05 | pdbogen | shogunx : In Bush's America, *you* fear *government*! |
| 23:38.08 | stoned | When I play any file or dvd in mplayer, I get the following error: alsa-lib: timer_hw.c:269:(snd_timer_hw_open) extended read is not supported (SNDRV_TIMER_IOCTL_TREAD) <-- this started happenenig after I dist updgraded after two months. I am running debian sid. I tried searching for this in google but it has no results. any ideas? |
| 23:38.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:38.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:38.25 | streuner | hm |
| 23:38.32 | shogunx | pdbogen http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/asshole it will change. |
| 23:39.13 | pdbogen | shogunx : One can hope. I don't think I'll hold my breath, though. |
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| 23:39.23 | pdbogen | Anybody know of a nice, free country that has good internet access I can move to once I get my degree? |
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| 23:39.29 | stoned | btw, it doensn't stop me from playing the movies or getting audio. everything still works, just that this erro message gets really annoying |
| 23:39.35 | shogunx | pdbogen apathy = acquiesence |
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| 23:39.58 | JordiGH | Free? Is their constitution gpled? |
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| 23:40.05 | JordiGH | Do they have a constitution? |
| 23:40.07 | pdbogen | JordiGH : Laws are implicitly public domain. |
| 23:40.12 | k-god | pdbogen: Where's Jon Johannsen? Sweden, right? |
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| 23:40.19 | shogunx | pdbogen, france legalized p2p |
| 23:40.32 | speyer | hmm is there any way i can set xchat to auto accept xdcc receive ? i know aint good im just testing |
| 23:40.34 | JordiGH | Canada, if you can tolerate socialised healthcare. |
| 23:40.36 | stoned | netherlands legalized budd |
| 23:40.42 | pdbogen | Hm, and the croissant /is/ my favorite pastry. |
| 23:40.47 | nickv111 | Hello. For anyone here who has mythtv running on Debian, I'm curious how it is done. For a while now, I have not been able to install mythtv on my Debian machine because it's not in the Debian repository or anywhere else I can find. |
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| 23:40.52 | pdbogen | stoned : Mexico is on the verge of legalizing marijuana, opium, heroin, and cocaine. |
| 23:40.58 | stoned | ouch |
| 23:41.01 | stoned | those are hardcore |
| 23:41.05 | stoned | smoking is ok tho |
| 23:41.15 | JordiGH | pdbogen: What? You're kidding, right? |
| 23:41.15 | simonrvn | i'd rather have socialised health care than socialised war fare |
| 23:41.21 | shogunx | pdbogen, mexico just did, actually. only small amounts. |
| 23:41.25 | stoned | simonrvn, dream on |
| 23:41.36 | stoned | im going to mexico |
| 23:41.36 | stoned | ! |
| 23:41.40 | beardy_ | !tell nickv111 -about mythtv |
| 23:41.45 | stoned | but really |
| 23:41.50 | stoned | any help with that mplayer issue? |
| 23:41.51 | pdbogen | shogunx : The various articles in my RSS feeds weren't entirely clear. I wasn't sure if it was about to happen or had happened. |
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| 23:42.00 | pdbogen | stoned : #mplayer ? |
| 23:42.05 | stoned | yeh im already there |
| 23:42.08 | stoned | thye are dead |
| 23:42.10 | nickv111 | beardy_: Oh, thanks |
| 23:42.18 | simonrvn | stoned: no dream. then again the colonial state wouldn't want me going back home |
| 23:42.23 | beardy_ | cafuego: You radical! |
| 23:42.24 | nickv111 | beardy_: I've been looking for a repository. |
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| 23:42.34 | beardy_ | nickv111: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:42.34 | pdbogen | cafuego : Score, can I move to you? |
| 23:42.41 | stoned | nickv111, been looking for a suppository |
| 23:42.49 | shogunx | pdbogen, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060428.wmexdrugs0428/BNStory/International/home |
| 23:42.54 | stoned | bathroom warfare! |
| 23:42.55 | cafuego | pdbogen: nope |
| 23:42.57 | kurumin | alô galera fina |
| 23:43.00 | pdbogen | Damn! |
| 23:43.00 | nse | a file named core appeared in my home dir, what created that file? |
| 23:43.02 | stoned | preperation H BOMB! |
| 23:43.10 | pdbogen | nse: Some program crashed and made a core dump. |
| 23:43.13 | bbrazil | nse: probably a segfault |
| 23:43.17 | simonrvn | nse: gdb can tell you |
| 23:43.32 | pdbogen | Oh, ecstasy, not opium. |
| 23:43.33 | beardy_ | nse: Something that dumped it's core, a program that crashed, for some reason. |
| 23:43.35 | JordiGH | Wow. |
| 23:43.40 | JordiGH | You weren't kidding. |
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| 23:43.43 | TeamCanada|Silen | I did "chown -R chaos /hdb/" as root but chaos still can't access hdb, what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:44.17 | pdbogen | JordiGH : Me? |
| 23:44.33 | cafuego | TeamCanada|Silen: Is it a windows format disk? |
| 23:44.45 | beardy_ | TeamCanada|Silen: WHat are you trying to do? |
| 23:44.45 | JordiGH | Yes, pdbogen. Stuff will get legalised here. Can't hardly wait. :) |
| 23:44.53 | nse | i am with many problems actually, kernel bugs and partitions not being properly mounted. i recently copied the whole system from my old disk to this bigger one |
| 23:45.08 | TeamCanada|Silen | beardy, I'm trying to make "chaos" able to access /hdb/ |
| 23:45.14 | JordiGH | And it's the G&M. Must be true. |
| 23:45.15 | TeamCanada|Silen | uid 1000 |
| 23:45.16 | cafuego | TeamCanada|Silen: Is it a windows format disk? |
| 23:45.17 | beardy_ | TeamCanada|Silen: and hdb is? |
| 23:45.22 | TeamCanada|Silen | ntfs |
| 23:45.26 | beardy_ | !vfatrw |
| 23:45.27 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 23:45.30 | pdbogen | JordiGH : Eh, the story was all over my RSS feeds. |
| 23:45.41 | beardy_ | TeamCanada|Silen: ^^^ |
| 23:45.52 | cafuego | TeamCanada|Silen: Yes, that doesn't support normal style file access/permissions. You'll need to pass it a mount option to set default permissions. |
| 23:46.05 | TeamCanada|Silen | k |
| 23:46.15 | TeamCanada|Silen | do I need ALL of those options beardy? |
| 23:46.27 | shogunx | pdbogen i picked that up off news.google.com's rss. |
| 23:46.28 | nse | i think i am going to do all the way back to the old disk to see if things work, maybe is a bad disk problem but smartctl do not confirm this |
| 23:46.28 | beardy_ | nse: Don't claim kernel bugs if you have moved a system like that, and you have some trouble.. Edit /etc/fstab, you probably have some wrong entries now that you've moved. What kernel problems do you have? |
| 23:46.29 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : Strictly speaking, you don't need the gid=. |
| 23:46.44 | TeamCanada|Silen | do I need uid? |
| 23:46.47 | alexk_ | Hello, I upgraded to Sarge and am having a problem getting postgres to start. There is a startup script and the ${POSTGRES_HOME} variable is set to the wrong value and I can't figure where it is being set |
| 23:46.50 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : Absolutely. |
| 23:46.59 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : that's the option that tells it which user gets access. |
| 23:47.16 | TeamCanada|Silen | what if I want a whole whack of users getting access? |
| 23:47.20 | TeamCanada|Silen | gid right? |
| 23:47.22 | nse | beardy_: no i mean i have real problems, let me pastebin you something. i read everythinhg about fstab, mtab and mount |
| 23:47.23 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : Although, actually, just umask=002 will give all users read/execute access. |
| 23:47.27 | lamby | does anyone know the reasoning for the options requiring a mask (ie. 002) instead of the "desired" permissions (like 775) ? |
| 23:47.43 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : Since it's NTFS, and therefore implicitly read-only, there's no worry about write access. |
| 23:47.45 | JordiGH | lamby: C programmers like XOR? |
| 23:47.50 | beardy_ | nse: Sure, pastebin to us all. |
| 23:47.50 | TeamCanada|Silen | All I need is read access right now, just getting files off of the ntfs before I reformat ext3 |
| 23:47.50 | pdbogen | XOR *is* fun. |
| 23:47.59 | k-god | lamby: You're talking about umask? |
| 23:48.04 | lamby | k-god: yes. |
| 23:48.14 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : Then all you *really* need is the defaults,umask=002 |
| 23:48.18 | beardy_ | TeamCanada|Silen: And read access is all you're going to get (safely) on ntfs. |
| 23:48.24 | lamby | i mean, XOR isn't really that tricky for mount to deal with ... so i'm guessing there's another reason? |
| 23:48.25 | TeamCanada|Silen | ok, thanks |
| 23:48.42 | k-god | lamby: Not entirely sure. I think it's that you can apply the mask as a "permissions _not_ to provide" sort of filter. |
| 23:48.57 | TeamCanada|Silen | how do I re-execute fstab, or will it check if I have permission every time? |
| 23:49.06 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : umount /hdb/ && mount /hdb/ |
| 23:49.09 | JordiGH | By the way, tcsh is catching my EOF signals and tells me to type "logout" to exit. Any idea if it's possible to disable this and have it catch EOF like bash? |
| 23:49.10 | k-god | TeamCanada|Silen: umount/remount any listed drives. |
| 23:49.16 | TeamCanada|Silen | ok, thanks |
| 23:49.18 | k-god | TeamCanada|Silen: ... s/drives/filesystems/ |
| 23:49.24 | pdbogen | TeamCanada|Silen : FYI, /etc/fstab isn't really 'executed,' it's referenced by mount and umount to find out how to handle the mounts. |
| 23:49.30 | nse | beardy_: http://pastebin.com/689506 this was something that appeared in my terminal for any reason |
| 23:49.36 | k-god | JordiGH: man tcsh. In bash it's 'set -o ignoreeof'. csh has a similar feature. |
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| 23:49.43 | beardy_ | TeamCanada|Silen: 'mount -a' perhaps, man mount |
| 23:49.45 | pdbogen | JordiGH : chsh -s /bin/bash ? ;) |
| 23:49.51 | edgardpacheco | hello everybody |
| 23:49.55 | k-god | pdbogen: Heh. |
| 23:50.06 | JordiGH | pdbogen: I wish. bash isn't installed on that Solaris machine. :( |
| 23:50.10 | pdbogen | Compile it? |
| 23:50.11 | TeamCanada|Silen | mount -a only mounts things with the "auto" option |
| 23:50.15 | JordiGH | pdbogen: and I'm not root on it. |
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| 23:50.17 | pdbogen | Bash isn't hard to build from source. |
| 23:50.22 | pdbogen | You can compile it as your user. |
| 23:50.23 | JordiGH | and I have a very strict quota. |
| 23:50.24 | pdbogen | And install it into ~/bin |
| 23:50.29 | pdbogen | Ahh, there's the rub. |
| 23:50.55 | shogunx | JordiGH can't you just root it and increase the quota;) |
| 23:51.16 | JordiGH | Heh. |
| 23:51.22 | JordiGH | My sysadmin is going to go bonkers if I do that. |
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| 23:51.54 | iceeey | is there any default WM for debian, if so, what? |
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| 23:52.06 | JordiGH | Gnome. |
| 23:52.11 | k-god | iceeey: none ;-) |
| 23:52.14 | ggeecko | anyone here ever tried xen |
| 23:52.15 | TeamCanada|Silen | I just did "umount -a" and now hda is ro, help! O_O |
| 23:52.20 | iceeey | k-god: ok, thanks |
| 23:52.25 | scarynetworkguy | Gnome isn't a WM. :) |
| 23:52.35 | iceeey | heh |
| 23:52.38 | JordiGH | Well, gnome uses Metacity as a WM. |
| 23:52.42 | k-god | iceeey: Check defaults for /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager. There's some initial preference, but you can install what you want. |
| 23:52.51 | iceeey | ok |
| 23:52.52 | pdbogen | iceeey : bash |
| 23:52.54 | mbishop | but then, metacity isn't really a "window manager" either |
| 23:52.55 | k-god | ggeecko: Well, I worked for them for a bit. What do you want to know? |
| 23:52.56 | scarynetworkguy | That is a correct statement. |
| 23:53.02 | k-god | iceeey: wmaker rules ;-) |
| 23:53.05 | beardy_ | nse: That looks strange yes, which kernel is that? |
| 23:53.07 | iceeey | ok, 'desktop environment' |
| 23:53.22 | k-god | iceeey: Seriously, just pick one you want. |
| 23:53.22 | JordiGH | By the way, this is what reminded me about my problem with tcsh: http://qdb.us/58083 |
| 23:53.34 | iceeey | gotcha |
| 23:53.42 | nse | beardy_: my kernel version is 2.6.16 i reinstalled it many times, reinstalled libc6 also |
| 23:53.53 | ggeecko | k-god: I was going to experiment with it |
| 23:54.18 | k-god | ggeecko: I left in February. I'd recommend the 2.0 series over 3.0 at this point. It's very much usable. |
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| 23:54.48 | ggeecko | k-god, thx |
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| 23:55.13 | nse | beardy_: /etc/fstab mounts my /home partition crazily. a df says that 99% is used when 50% is in fact used, cd to /home gives i/o errors |
| 23:55.22 | beardy_ | nse: If I were you, I'd run memtest86 (/msg dpkg memtest86) and after that, ask about it in ##linux also, and give them that pastebin aswell. |
| 23:55.30 | alexk_ | what command can i use to see what kind of processor i have? |
| 23:55.34 | belkin | guys i need your help . i need to add java support for my firefox browser |
| 23:55.40 | k-god | alexk_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:55.42 | ggeecko | k-god, do you run a server |
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| 23:56.00 | k-god | ggeecko: XenSource was self-hosting on any number of systems. |
| 23:56.09 | minerale | Where is gnome's 'recent documents' located? Where is the data saved? |
| 23:56.12 | k-god | ggeecko: Including their main and dev websites, internal systems, etc. |
| 23:56.16 | beardy_ | belkin: /msg dpkg java |
| 23:56.27 | alexk_ | k-god: would that tell you if you had 2 cpu's? |
| 23:56.45 | k-god | alexk_: 'dmesg' and (if installed) 'dmidecode' are also useful. |
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| 23:57.07 | JordiGH | minerale: You mean, the file? ~./gnome stores configuration data, I believe. But then again, I'm a KDE bloke. |
| 23:57.10 | beardy_ | alexk_: (don't you know? :) ) But yes, most likely. |
| 23:57.19 | k-god | alexk_: /proc/cpuinfo will only tell you what the kernel sees. dmidecode will tell you what's available in HW. Including multi-thread/multicore if that's what you've got. |
| 23:57.19 | stylie | streuner: thanks for the help... but I started changing "untesting" :) to "testing" in apt.conf.. then I did apt-get update and dist-upgrade... and now it works... if you had not asked about sid? I would not have looked in apt.conf |
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| 23:57.38 | alexk_ | dmesg says 1 processor but I have an SMP kernel installed.... does that make sense? |
| 23:57.39 | k-god | ggeecko: What do you plan to do? That's probably the more appropriate line of questioning. |
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| 23:58.08 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 23:58.09 | zx8_ | hello i am trying to setup a pcmcia wireless card |
| 23:58.10 | k-god | alexk_: Either you're not seeing multiple procs or you don't have multiple CPUs. dmidecode or BIOS info is what you want here. |
| 23:58.21 | solemnwarning | where can i get a codec that will play mov files? |
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| 23:58.30 | k-god | !tell solemnwarning about marillat |
| 23:58.47 | JordiGH | Fuck... |
| 23:58.51 | JordiGH | !tell me too about marillat |
| 23:58.52 | alexk_ | k-god: well would upgrading to an smp kernel be an issue even if i only had 1 processor? |
| 23:58.59 | solemnwarning | I've already got w32codecs from mrillat |
| 23:58.59 | JordiGH | !tell me about marillat |
| 23:59.01 | ggeecko | k-god, no idea yet...lol |
| 23:59.02 | k-god | solemnwarning: win32codecs or soemthing like that. |
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| 23:59.11 | beardy_ | !tell solemnwarning -about w32codecs |
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| 23:59.14 | JordiGH | .mov is patented? |
| 23:59.14 | beardy_ | !selftell |
| 23:59.15 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". |
| 23:59.34 | k-god | alexk_: It's unnecessary. I think it slows things down nominally due to kenel spinlocks / threadlocks. Or maybe the kernel's smart enough not to implement those. |
| 23:59.49 | k-god | beardy_: /msg dpkg foo please. |
