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| 00:00.08 | kerneld | s/upir/your/ |
| 00:00.09 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: yes i'm using postgresql to auth proftpd users |
| 00:00.33 | kerneld | DimmuR|away: I had that too, but I think it went away when I restarted postgresql, then proftp |
| 00:00.39 | kerneld | this was a few months ago |
| 00:01.00 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: i tried it already (i wouldn't write if i didn't do the simpest things) :) |
| 00:01.06 | DimmuR|away | even all serwer restart didn't help |
| 00:01.37 | bernd_keller | 4 |
| 00:01.42 | kerneld | DimmuR|away: Try logging in with psql with the same credetntials |
| 00:01.59 | kerneld | and if proftpd is connecting to localhost, try -h localhost too |
| 00:02.02 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: then everything works fine - i can select/add/remove |
| 00:02.07 | kerneld | might be more revealign |
| 00:02.11 | DimmuR|away | i try -h |
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| 00:02.57 | bernd_keller | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.01 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: with -h works the same |
| 00:03.14 | DimmuR|away | but ftp still doesn't atuth users |
| 00:03.48 | kerneld | Odd. I can'tremember what I did to fix it. You could try launchong proftp standlone from the shell with options not to fork etc and with verbose flags |
| 00:04.14 | pilgrim | bernd_keller, k. thanks. |
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| 00:06.45 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: i try it |
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| 00:06.59 | mythica | why would i be getting this error: |
| 00:07.05 | mythica | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `arch/um/scripts/Makefile.rules'. Stop. |
| 00:07.24 | mythica | /usr/src/linux# sudo make |
| 00:07.56 | sanmarcos | mythica: welcome to debian |
| 00:08.07 | mythica | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'. Stop. |
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| 00:08.35 | mythica | sanmarcos, thanks |
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| 00:10.41 | DragonD | how do i configure postfix to allow auth relaying |
| 00:10.43 | DragonD | ? |
| 00:10.49 | kerneld | DimmuR|away: .. and if that doesn't show anything new, try running postgres in the forground verbose |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | ask #postfix |
| 00:10.51 | sanmarcos | Drac[Server]: hold on |
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| 00:11.03 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: seems odd... USER dimmur: Login successful. |
| 00:11.03 | DimmuR|away | ProFTPD terminating (signal 11) |
| 00:11.05 | sanmarcos | Drac[Server]: check SASL |
| 00:11.15 | sanmarcos | fucking autocomplete |
| 00:11.28 | kerneld | DimmuR|away: That looks similar to what I was getting |
| 00:11.57 | kerneld | again, sorry, can't remember what I did to fix it |
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| 00:12.42 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: i try to run postgresql and see and then if nothing helps i try to reconfigure & reboot system |
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| 00:13.16 | shadwominx | hello all |
| 00:13.19 | nanotube | hello, I'm experiencing strange behavior of debian sarge DHCPD and DHCP_CLIENT. When IP is released for client DNS record for this host gets updated but after couple minutes it gets removed from DNS records list. Any idea? thanks |
| 00:13.21 | SonnyBurnett | have somebody installed " Listen! " in debian? |
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| 00:13.29 | marco13185 | how do I give alsa the highest priority? |
| 00:13.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:13.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:14.17 | marco13185 | because whenever I'm playing music in amaroK or BMP the music will occasionally skip |
| 00:15.03 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, who did you tell the !es ? |
| 00:15.04 | shadwominx | Hello all I have a questions about net installing |
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| 00:15.25 | shadwominx | dosn't work with dsl connections is there anyway around that? |
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| 00:15.41 | nono31 | I have a problem with my chroot since I upgrade debian sid... I successfully chroot, but then when I try to "su" to another user it does not want. su myuser says: Cannot execute /bin/zsh: Permission denied ; If I su - myuser it says: Unable to cd to "/home/myuser" |
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| 00:16.38 | unix_infidel | what does kde use a simple paint app? |
| 00:17.06 | abrotman | kpaint ? |
| 00:17.13 | voltagex | hi, when I try to use ssh x forwarding, I get an error: XLib: no protocol specified |
| 00:17.18 | unix_infidel | abrotman: says that package is not available. |
| 00:17.24 | unix_infidel | referred to by another app. |
| 00:17.25 | abrotman | in testing/unstable ? |
| 00:17.32 | unix_infidel | yes. |
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| 00:17.41 | unix_infidel | testing |
| 00:17.51 | abrotman | unix_infidel: apt-cache search kde paint |
| 00:17.55 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde |
| 00:17.59 | DimmuR|away | kerneld: btw maybe there is a port of postgresql 8.0 to debian sarge? |
| 00:18.03 | sh | alla |
| 00:18.10 | abrotman | DimmuR|away: /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:18.10 | sh | k lo k |
| 00:18.23 | marco13185 | how do give alsa and amarok highest priority so that they don't skip? |
| 00:18.27 | DimmuR|away | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:18.45 | shadwominx | if debian sarge is very stable why does it use testing unstable and expermital apt sources? |
| 00:19.11 | marco13185 | shadwominx, ??? |
| 00:19.17 | amphi | shadwominx: it doesn't |
| 00:19.20 | RichiH | shadwominx: you added them yourself, i presume.. |
| 00:19.26 | shadow_debian | novato user on line |
| 00:19.31 | marco13185 | shadwominx, are you running knoppix? |
| 00:19.41 | shadwominx | yes |
| 00:19.46 | shadow_debian | fluxbox |
| 00:19.51 | marco13185 | knoppix != debian stable |
| 00:20.07 | marco13185 | knoppix is more of a mix of everything |
| 00:20.36 | shadwominx | hym the default when I go to kpackager it is only check off the ones I listed and not any stable I had to add them manually |
| 00:20.41 | marco13185 | shadwominx, it's stability isn't affected because it's not meant to be upgraded from etc... It's a static system, not meant for |
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| 00:21.19 | marco13185 | see, my unstable is stable right now. But the next dist-upgrade might just render my system dead |
| 00:21.37 | epsilon | amen |
| 00:22.03 | RichiH | ramen |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | is tomorrow a holiday in europe? |
| 00:22.26 | shadwominx | I can't get Normal Sarge to install I downloaded the ISO. bittorrent version and normal and it wouldn't load. and when I do minumal install cd wich does work. I can't get my internet to work because I have DSL and it won't let me use re-pppoe at the start. |
| 00:22.27 | jethro | in france it is |
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| 00:22.38 | RichiH | abrotman: in germany, yes |
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| 00:22.51 | shadow_debian | alguien se sabe el comando para borrar KDE |
| 00:22.52 | abrotman | RichiH: "We lost the war" day? |
| 00:22.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:22.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:23.05 | egrub | <shadow_debian> Yo |
| 00:23.06 | marco13185 | shadwominx, routers are very useful |
| 00:23.07 | shadwominx | so I am trying kanotix and knoppix since they are deb like. |
| 00:23.07 | jethro | abrotman: it's labour day |
| 00:23.12 | egrub | <shadow_debian> pero mejor en #debian-es |
| 00:23.18 | RichiH | abrotman: day of labour & day of german reunion |
| 00:23.23 | marco13185 | shadwominx, routers also protect you from a lot, and it's to your advantage to have one anyways |
| 00:23.25 | epsilon | what's tomorrow? |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | egrub: you need a better nicktab complete |
| 00:23.34 | shadow_debian | ok |
| 00:23.34 | jethro | epsilon: the day after today |
| 00:23.37 | egrub | abrotman, ok |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | RichiH: oh yeah .. which reunion ? |
| 00:23.40 | jethro | sorry I couldn't resist |
| 00:23.51 | RichiH | abrotman: the one in 1989 |
| 00:23.53 | jethro | abrotman: east / west ? |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | RichiH: just making sure it wasn't the one prior to WWII |
| 00:24.09 | egrub | shadow_debian pero mejor en #debian-es |
| 00:24.12 | epsilon | ah, 1.may thingie |
| 00:24.32 | RichiH | abrotman: the 'liberation' of france and austria? i think not ;) |
| 00:24.52 | abrotman | RichiH: uhm .. no .. |
| 00:24.54 | epsilon | ah, tonight's Walpurgis? |
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| 00:25.34 | abrotman | RichiH: the one before WWII |
| 00:25.38 | JordiGH | Say, anyone got any nice GRUB splash images handy, besides the Debian package? |
| 00:25.49 | bucky | bootsplash.org |
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| 00:26.15 | abrotman | RichiH: i thought there was one between WWI and WWII |
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| 00:26.35 | RichiH | abrotman: the only reunion that springs to mind is the regetting of austria and parts of poland |
| 00:26.50 | RichiH | but the later is after wwii started |
| 00:26.57 | JordiGH | This one is a bit too racy, unfortunately: |
| 00:26.57 | RichiH | latter, even |
| 00:26.59 | JordiGH | http://antares.escomposlinux.org/images/dfts-splash.png |
| 00:27.32 | RichiH | abrotman: but in any case, most germans are rather relieved we lost wwii |
| 00:27.46 | abrotman | RichiH: why ... you have good beer .. you could have spread it! |
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| 00:28.18 | RichiH | abrotman: if it were not for belgian megacorps who spread fermented horse piss around the world, yes |
| 00:28.33 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.38 | RichiH | though truth be told, most german breweries belong to interbrew and its eveil twin anyway |
| 00:29.06 | abrotman | RichiH: hehe |
| 00:29.28 | ekkikrist | belgian beer is no good now? |
| 00:29.29 | RichiH | but as always, let me refer you to augustiner braeu |
| 00:29.32 | RichiH | and schneider weisse |
| 00:29.44 | RichiH | depending on if you prefer fair beer or wheat beer |
| 00:30.03 | RichiH | ekkikrist: i do not like pils nor lager |
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| 00:30.15 | JordiGH | When I consumed alcohol, I used to enjoy buckweat beer. |
| 00:30.18 | RichiH | which prettey much boils down my choice in belgian beer to.. none.. |
| 00:30.20 | loggygreg | protoloco: tar cvf name.tar name-of-file-to-be-tarred |
| 00:30.22 | shadwominx | is there anyway to bootstrap debinstall with live CD? |
| 00:30.37 | RichiH | shadwominx: debootstrap |
| 00:31.11 | RichiH | shadwominx: ask in #debian-boot if that uses the current installer in the meantime, though |
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| 00:31.26 | RichiH | last time i used it, the old installer was still state of the art |
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| 00:32.23 | peritus | is the 'official' debian logo actually in use anywhere? ( http://www.debian.org/logos/officiallogo-75.jpg ) |
| 00:32.37 | RichiH | peritus: seldom |
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| 00:32.48 | abrotman | !logo |
| 00:32.49 | RichiH | peritus: there are rather many restrictions that apply |
| 00:32.49 | dpkg | i heard logo is a wierd graphical language, but don't tell Seymour that |
| 00:32.52 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:32.57 | JordiGH | Hehehe.. |
| 00:32.59 | syntaxx_ | i tried to run a bootsplash on my box it works fine but i cant run the X it says, i cannot start the X server it is likely that its not setup correctly, how to fix this |
| 00:32.59 | hikenboot | If i have a process that is being spawned in the /etc/inittab how do i tell what the process is since it dies right away...or is it somthing other than a process? |
| 00:33.00 | JordiGH | !kturtle |
| 00:33.07 | JordiGH | !info kturtle |
| 00:33.11 | dpkg | kturtle: (educational Logo programming environment), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 369 kB, Installed size: 992 kB |
| 00:33.12 | sanmarcos | !sd |
| 00:33.12 | dpkg | It's always Sunday in #debian!!! |
| 00:33.16 | marco13185 | hmm, firefox seems to cause lag in my sound, is there anyother good web browser for debian? |
| 00:33.29 | sanmarcos | marco13185: no, of course no |
| 00:33.35 | JordiGH | marco13185: You're talking about the flash plugin in Firefox, right? |
| 00:33.42 | marco13185 | JordiGH, ya, that's probably it |
| 00:33.43 | sanmarcos | flash for linux sucks |
| 00:33.45 | RichiH | the german airforce lost a plane, apparently.. |
| 00:33.49 | peritus | RichiH: hm okay. i find it kind of strange that not even the official site really make use of the official logo :P |
| 00:33.55 | marco13185 | JordiGH, how do I turn off flash? |
| 00:34.11 | JordiGH | marco13185: It's an issue with Flash, not Firefox. Just apt-get remove whatever flash plugin you have, if you don't want it. |
| 00:34.15 | sanmarcos | RichiH: nobody gives a crap |
| 00:34.21 | RichiH | peritus: well, the main reason would be that the bottle is ugly as all hell |
| 00:34.27 | marco13185 | RichiH, how the fuck do you "lose" a plane |
| 00:34.27 | abrotman | peritus: that's not the official logo |
| 00:34.32 | peritus | RichiH: agreed |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | peritus: it's one of them .. but not the more commonly used one |
| 00:34.40 | RichiH | sanmarcos: if you are trying to troll us, good luck |
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| 00:35.07 | peritus | abrotman: allright |
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| 00:35.35 | RichiH | marco13185: dunno. they are just announcing that they are missing an ultra-light plane via radio |
| 00:36.01 | syntaxx__ | i tried to run a bootsplash on my box it works fine but i cant run the X it says, i cannot start the X server it is likely that its not setup correctly, how to fix this? |
| 00:36.11 | JordiGH | marco13185: I *have* managed to get a Flash plugin workly properly in Firefox, but I forget which one it is. I'm almost sure it wasn't the free plugin, though. |
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| 00:36.37 | marco13185 | what's the package name for the flash plugin |
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| 00:37.04 | JordiGH | apt-cache search flash plugin |
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| 00:37.10 | JordiGH | There are several. |
| 00:37.28 | DimmuR|off | kerneld: thanks for help. Seems dpkg-reconfigure & reboot after solved problem |
| 00:37.34 | robin_sz | ok, so ... mail accounts on a standard debian box ... normally Id use qmail/vpopmail .. but whats the debian way? im talking aout say, 30 domains, maybe 3000 users total |
| 00:37.46 | JordiGH | I think you may have better luck with Macromedia's non-free plugin, if you've enabled non-free sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:37.48 | Kupal[]_ | my gdm says boot in progress any help? |
| 00:38.05 | abrotman | robin_sz: use qmail/vpopmail ? |
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| 00:38.36 | robin_sz | its too painful under debain to run qmail and vpopmail ... ends up as a nasty manual install |
| 00:38.49 | petemc | robin_sz: default debian mta is exim, its very capable |
| 00:38.54 | sanxiyn | robin_sz: You are supposed to install qmail from source anyway. |
| 00:39.12 | sanxiyn | (Since you can't distribute modified binary.) |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | because DJB is nuts |
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| 00:39.34 | sanxiyn | I agree. |
| 00:39.34 | robin_sz | sanxiyn, yes, i am aware of the madness of djb |
| 00:40.02 | roderyk | I'm lost with my raid setup, so if someone could fill in some blanks, it would be great. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 Followed these instructions, up to the point where I copy over my HD of data to my other HD. Before I go deleting my first one, I decided to check if my new HD boots correctly. So, plugging it in and I get: fsck failed reiserfs_open: failed to open filesystem /dev/md1. So, it can't find /dev/ |
| 00:40.02 | roderyk | md1, but I can't figure out why. btw, when it throws me into the emergency shell, when I try to mdadm --create again, it warns me that the raid all ready exists. At the same time cat /proc/mdstats returns nothing |
| 00:40.02 | syntaxx__ | i tried to run a bootsplash on my box it works fine but i cant run the X it says, i cannot start the X server it is likely that its not setup correctly, how to fix this? |
| 00:40.05 | JordiGH | Heh. I wonder if djb is in the jargon file. :) |
| 00:40.22 | robin_sz | anyone who creates random new dirs in / needs shooting. |
| 00:40.24 | robin_sz | slowly |
| 00:40.36 | robin_sz | anyway ... we digress |
| 00:40.38 | JordiGH | Huh? Who does that? |
| 00:40.43 | robin_sz | djb |
| 00:40.46 | robin_sz | repeatedly |
| 00:40.58 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.12 | JordiGH | That is nasty. |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | !djb |
| 00:41.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 00:41.30 | robin_sz | and thats before we begin on the documentation idiocy |
| 00:41.55 | robin_sz | the docs thing is what really annoys me |
| 00:42.06 | sanxiyn | robin_sz: Life with qmail isn't too bad. |
| 00:42.14 | marco13185 | JordiGH, I removed flashplugin-nonfree but the flash plugin still loads in firefox |
| 00:42.26 | robin_sz | true, but then djb didnt write life with qmail |
| 00:42.32 | JordiGH | marco13185: Then you probably have another plugin installed. :) |
| 00:42.48 | sanxiyn | robin_sz: Oh well. Not all programmers are good documentation writers. |
| 00:42.55 | marco13185 | JordiGH, if I installed it through firefox how do I remove it? |
| 00:42.59 | sanxiyn | (Although ideally they should be.) |
| 00:43.00 | robin_sz | sanxiyn, and since qmail is responsible for much of the spam on the planet |
| 00:43.21 | JordiGH | marco13185: Search and destroy! Firefox's menus allow you to remove plugins, if memory serves. |
| 00:43.31 | robin_sz | sanxiyn, no, not the quality of the docs, djbs documantation policy of no man pages |
| 00:43.50 | robin_sz | sanxiyn, all docs on the web "that way you always have the latest version" ... |
| 00:44.16 | robin_sz | sanxiyn, or "that way you always have a version of dicumantation that does not match the version of the code you are running" |
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| 00:44.41 | JordiGH | Well, rms doesn't like man pages, but at least we have info pages. :) |
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| 00:45.03 | robin_sz | well, rms is entitled to his opinions. |
| 00:45.19 | robin_sz | i disagree with almost all of them, but thats another matter |
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| 00:45.33 | robin_sz | where was I,? |
| 00:45.49 | bonez41 | how do I free up space on /? Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 00:45.49 | bonez41 | /dev/hde1 250M 245M 0 100% / |
| 00:45.51 | robin_sz | so ... back to vpopmail stylee accounts on a debian box |
| 00:45.52 | marco13185 | JordiGH, unless it's in about:config, there is no option to remove plugins |
| 00:45.53 | JordiGH | Heh, I have a compulsion to ctrl-x ctrl-s as soon as I write something substantial. Thank you, Emacs. :) |
| 00:46.09 | bonez41 | my / is 100% used up...how do I free up space on it? |
| 00:46.18 | abrotman | is /var/ on / ? |
| 00:46.28 | robin_sz | bonez41: delete something |
| 00:46.52 | bonez41 | robin_sz, ok, clearly, but there are only a few files, and directories right at /....nothing looks out of control.... |
| 00:46.53 | abrotman | apt-get clean && rm /var/log/*.gz |
| 00:47.03 | roderyk | anybody please? :) For example, my fstab includes: /dev/md0 / reiserfs ... and /dev/md1 /home resierfs ... If md was broken, why would root mount? But if it isn't broken, why does fsck die when trying to mount /home? |
| 00:47.06 | abrotman | or ignore my first question |
| 00:47.24 | bonez41 | abrotman, is that for me? |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | is /var/ on / ? |
| 00:47.32 | robin_sz | bonez41: waht abrotman said, /var/logs might be a good place to start |
| 00:47.33 | bonez41 | abrotman, yeah, /var is on / |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | apt-get clean && rm /var/log/*.gz |
| 00:47.53 | abrotman | apt-get clean && rm /var/log/*.gz && sync |
| 00:47.59 | bonez41 | ok... |
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| 00:48.49 | bonez41 | abrotman, that ran, just took a second...and it doesn't show any change..do I need to run update to get a new view of the directory structure? |
| 00:48.57 | robin_sz | then perhaps a du -sh * in /home or som other place, see whats using shit up |
| 00:48.58 | bonez41 | er..updatedb |
| 00:49.12 | robin_sz | not really |
| 00:49.19 | robin_sz | updatedb is used with locate |
| 00:49.39 | roderyk | bonez41: you mean 'df -h' ? |
| 00:49.43 | JordiGH | Hm, you're right. It doesn't like plugins can be managed from within Firefox itself. And yet, when you get to a page that needs a plugin, you can click on it and Firefox will try to download the plugin for you. Hmm... |
| 00:49.44 | leikh | i'm having trouble with special characters in filenames over samba share. client is winxp and samba is running on a debian with iso-8859-1 environment. i've tested utf-8, but no help. i've tried different charsets in smb.conf, but no help there either... |
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| 00:49.55 | bonez41 | oh...so if I ran that from abrotman, it should show the change in size immediately, with df -h at /? |
| 00:49.55 | stagger_ | hi again |
| 00:50.03 | bonez41 | roderyk, yeah... |
| 00:50.13 | stagger_ | in wich package i will find dexconf? |
| 00:50.14 | roderyk | bonez41: correct |
| 00:50.48 | DimmuR|off | stagger_: setools |
| 00:50.53 | jethro | stagger_: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:51.13 | roderyk | bonez41: abrotman suggested those, b/c they are the most obvious space culprits. If you're still low on space look for what is taking everything up (eg. du -h) |
| 00:51.41 | JordiGH | marco13185: I'ts not under "extensions", perhaps? |
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| 00:53.06 | abrotman | bonez39: hopefully .. maybe maybe not |
| 00:53.08 | stagger_ | looks like i have setools... so why i'm getting this: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst: line 1652: dexconf: command not found |
| 00:53.15 | robin_sz | bonez41, quicl question .. how big is your disk |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | bonez39: i'm guessing there was no change |
| 00:53.24 | bonez41 | robin_sz, drive is 80 gb |
| 00:53.30 | bonez41 | not much change.... |
| 00:53.32 | robin_sz | plenty big enough ... |
| 00:53.37 | robin_sz | cd /home |
| 00:53.38 | marco13185 | JordiGH, that wasn't the problem, even after removing it, sound skips |
| 00:53.41 | robin_sz | du -sh * |
| 00:53.42 | marco13185 | it might be amarok |
| 00:53.43 | bonez41 | but then the command you suggested didn't clear subdirectories below /var/log |
| 00:53.47 | bonez41 | just in /var/log |
| 00:53.59 | JordiGH | Oy. :-/ |
| 00:54.02 | stagger_ | and!/msg dpkg say dexconf is obsolet :/ |
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| 00:54.21 | robin_sz | well, cd /var/log && du -sh * |
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| 00:54.30 | robin_sz | see whats eating it up |
| 00:54.32 | marco13185 | anyone know the name of the binary for beep media player? |
| 00:54.40 | JordiGH | Anyone up for a quick Wesnoth match? :) |
| 00:55.17 | RichiH | JordiGH: you can try spike |
| 00:55.45 | JordiGH | marco13185: You want to play wmv files? It's a bit of a challenge. You could use mplayer, which isn't in Debian because of copyright issues, I believe. There's that site of dubious legality that allows you to do it... I forget what it's called. |
| 00:55.47 | bonez41 | robin_sz, it's helping, some..but , try this... could you ping fyrenice.com for me |
| 00:56.01 | JordiGH | RichiH: Pardon? Wtf is spike? |
| 00:56.18 | sanmarcos | !spike |
| 00:56.18 | dpkg | spike is probably an ignorant troll |
| 00:56.30 | RichiH | JordiGH: a wesnoth addict |
| 00:56.31 | marco13185 | JordiGH, umm, no, just MP3 |
| 00:56.43 | JordiGH | marco13185: apt-get install xmms. |
| 00:56.43 | robin_sz | bonez41 no response |
| 00:56.47 | RichiH | sanmarcos: in my opinion, he is not :) |
| 00:56.52 | RichiH | pft, he fled |
| 00:56.52 | marco13185 | JordiGH, I know, I have XMMS and Beep MP |
| 00:57.00 | RichiH | !factinfo spike |
| 00:57.00 | dpkg | spike -- created by Asterix <mhess@host-209-214-160-130.rdu.bellsouth.net> at Sat Mar 18 10:13:10 2000 (2234 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by p8m at Tue Aug 23 10:37:14 2005. |
| 00:57.05 | marco13185 | I just need to know the binary name for Beep Media Player |
| 00:57.23 | RichiH | he did not hold the nick at that time |
| 00:57.49 | robin_sz | bonez41, du -sh * from / and just follow the dirs that have used your 80gb .. its not exactly rocket science |
| 00:58.09 | stagger_ | why i have no "dexconf" command? :/ |
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| 00:58.20 | sanxiyn | !find dexconf |
| 00:58.20 | bonez41 | robin_sz, hmmm it is not changing what df -h shows, which is Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 00:58.21 | bonez41 | /dev/hde1 250M 245M 0 100% / |
| 00:58.22 | th1 | what's dexconv? |
| 00:58.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dexconf' (1): (/usr/bin/dexconf) in x11/x11-common,x11/xserver-common. |
| 00:58.31 | sanxiyn | th1: Who knows... |
| 00:58.37 | RichiH | !forget spike |
| 00:58.38 | dpkg | i forgot spike, RichiH |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | !richih |
| 00:58.52 | dpkg | well, richih is drop dead and let my nick be, sussudio, or bored and wants to take a bath |
| 00:58.55 | robin_sz | bonez41: you only allocated 250m , not 80gb .. no wonder its full |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:59.10 | voltagex | !voltagex |
| 00:59.10 | abrotman | RichiH: go bathe! |
| 00:59.10 | dpkg | somebody said voltagex was someone who thinks he's smart enough to tease other people for being too stupid to operate an irc bot, but is in fact too stupid to operate said irc bot HIMSELF |
| 00:59.14 | bonez41 | robin_sz, how do I change how much is allocated? can I do that on the fly? |
| 00:59.18 | voltagex | aah! |
| 00:59.21 | bonez41 | robin_sz, safely? |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | RichiH: and check the topic in #-ot |
| 00:59.22 | RichiH | heh |
| 00:59.22 | sanxiyn | stagger_: Apparently it's in x11-common and some configuraiton tool for Debian X. |
| 00:59.23 | JordiGH | !abrotman |
| 00:59.24 | dpkg | i heard abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 00:59.39 | JordiGH | Too many inside jokes, I'm afraid. |
| 00:59.43 | voltagex | yes, I think I pissed someone off in here one dau |
| 00:59.44 | sanxiyn | !sanxiyn |
| 00:59.46 | shadow_debian | como yo pongo Eterm sin bordes |
| 00:59.47 | voltagex | day* |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:59.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | wtf is so hard about going to #debian-es? |
| 01:00.14 | RichiH | abrotman: i can not see what you are referring to |
| 01:00.14 | JordiGH | It's just not the first place you think of. |
| 01:00.14 | stagger_ | sanxiyn but i need that tool for reparing my x configuration :/ |
| 01:00.14 | voltagex | abrotman: I just typed !es but you beat me to it |
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| 01:00.36 | abrotman | RichiH: the quote from toresbe |
| 01:00.36 | bonez41 | robin_sz, isnt' it taken up by folders and tables naming the files in those folders? all that housekeeping has taken up 250 m or at least 245m? |
| 01:00.38 | JordiGH | Maybe we need a border patrol in #debian |
| 01:00.39 | robin_sz | bonez41, doable, but only with care. use fdisk to allocate new space, copy the old / over to the new space, set the new space as bootable, do the grub thing, maybe, just maybe you live to tell the tale |
| 01:00.46 | RichiH | abrotman: ah, k |
| 01:00.58 | voltagex | stagger_: if you have an nvidia card, the nvidia-xconfig will repair it to some extent |
| 01:01.05 | sanxiyn | stagger_: Good luck. See also /topic. |
| 01:01.08 | bonez41 | robin_sz, so nothing so smooth as Partition Magic to accomplish this? |
| 01:01.13 | RichiH | abrotman: as i am about to go to bed, i will not start an extensie discussion about the relative merits of the us and the eu |
| 01:01.13 | robin_sz | bonez41: if all you have is 250m for a full install on / you dont have enough |
| 01:01.26 | stagger_ | i have no x :/ |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | RichiH: with respect to bathing? |
| 01:01.33 | bonez41 | robin_sz, what is an amount YOU would suggest? |
| 01:01.33 | sanxiyn | BEWARE UNSTABLE. |
| 01:01.34 | robin_sz | bonez41 I have no clue if partition magic does ext2fs |
| 01:01.37 | RichiH | abrotman: that, too |
| 01:01.43 | abrotman | RichiH: erm .. ok .. night! |
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| 01:01.50 | voltagex | sanxiyn: HERE BE DRAGONS |
| 01:01.52 | magyar | anyone has issues with xserver-xorg update to 1:7.0.15 on sid? |
| 01:01.52 | th1 | do anyone know how to decipher the failure log of MegaRAID's megarc? |
| 01:01.59 | robin_sz | bonez41, if suggest you use all 80gb ... like what are you saving it for? |
| 01:02.01 | sanxiyn | magyar: I have. |
| 01:02.07 | sanxiyn | magyar: Check BTS. Fixed my problem. |
| 01:02.18 | magyar | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 01:02.20 | bonez41 | not sure....I don't know why it's set to use just that much |
| 01:02.34 | sanxiyn | magyar: By any chance, "pre-inst exit status 10"? |
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| 01:02.39 | voltagex | wtf, I'm suddenly un speed throttled |
| 01:02.56 | robin_sz | bonez41, or ... create several lumps of space on the free disk, map them to /var, /home, /usr .. then copy the data over, then reboot |
| 01:03.00 | bonez41 | robin_sz, here's the entire listing: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 01:03.00 | bonez41 | /dev/hde1 250M 245M 0 100% / |
| 01:03.00 | bonez41 | tmpfs 140M 0 140M 0% /dev/shm |
| 01:03.00 | bonez41 | /dev/hde9 65G 4.4G 57G 8% /home |
| 01:03.00 | bonez41 | /dev/hde8 361M 8.1M 334M 3% /tmp |
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| 01:03.02 | magyar | sanxiyn: roger |
| 01:03.03 | RichiH | in totally unrelated news, gas in saudi arabia is 16 eurocent and diesel 5 eurocent |
| 01:03.05 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 365282 |
| 01:03.08 | dpkg | #365282:G[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg 7.0.15 fails installation (pre-inst exit status 10); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:33:02 UTC |
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| 01:03.19 | sanxiyn | magyar: There's a workaround on the bug report. |
| 01:03.20 | th1 | I got this from MegaRAID after it started beeping and driving my dog insane: http://pastebin.com/691461 |
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| 01:03.21 | bonez41 | tmpfs 10M 564K 9.5M 6% /dev |
| 01:03.24 | robin_sz | oh, you allocate it allto /home ... |
| 01:03.31 | bonez41 | robin_sz, I guess I flooded... |
| 01:03.34 | magyar | sanxiyn: how do one get this info? do you google for it? |
| 01:03.35 | RichiH | bonez41: please do not spam.. ;) |
| 01:03.37 | th1 | then after that I set it to rebuild at 90% and now its fine |
| 01:03.40 | robin_sz | you allocated it all to /home ... |
| 01:03.47 | sanxiyn | magyar: http://bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg, of course. -_- |
| 01:03.50 | bonez41 | RichiH, spam? hell, I am just trying to resolve a problem...I hate spam... |
| 01:03.56 | sanxiyn | magyar: After that, search for your error message. |
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| 01:04.17 | sanxiyn | magyar: In general, if you don't know how to use BTS (at least in basic ways), you are not supposed to run Unstable... |
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| 01:04.25 | bonez41 | RichiH, sorry ... |
| 01:04.36 | RichiH | bonez41: i know that. still, having stuff scroll past that fast is rather unpleasant. try looking at the topic for suggestions on where to put that info ;) |
| 01:04.40 | RichiH | no harm done |
| 01:04.46 | th1 | sanxiyn: is anyone not supposed to run unstable? it's a learning experience |
| 01:04.50 | th1 | we all start somewhere :) |
| 01:04.52 | magyar | sanxiyn: so there is no specific gui for let say kde or gnome to view the status? |
| 01:04.59 | RichiH | th1: i run it on all my machines |
| 01:05.03 | robin_sz | bonez41, you didnt leave enough for / really, 2 to 5gb would be ok, split the remainder between home and var |
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| 01:05.08 | sanxiyn | magyar: Hm, none I am aware of. It might be a good idea anyway. |
| 01:05.17 | th1 | RichiH I run stable on my amd64 dual opteron |
| 01:05.23 | robin_sz | bonez42, or just allow the installer to choose :) |
| 01:05.23 | sanxiyn | magyar: Also, install apt-listbugs. It's a must. |
| 01:05.32 | Azar | th1: not having learned the Debian basics seems ridiculous to up in unstable |
| 01:05.33 | magyar | sanxiyn: so there are docs available to learn the bts systems? |
| 01:05.33 | JordiGH | Ever wondered why Google thinks that beer and cigarrettes are evil, so you'll never get any context ads for them, but pr0n isn't evil? |
| 01:05.40 | RichiH | th1: that reeks of production system which is an entirely different matter |
| 01:05.44 | th1 | Azar: we all start somewhere :) |
| 01:05.44 | sanxiyn | magyar: Yes. Start on http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 01:05.53 | Azar | th1: Debian stable is the start |
| 01:05.56 | th1 | RichiH: its still a hobby system :) |
| 01:05.57 | abrotman | RichiH: go to bed! |
| 01:05.57 | bonez41 | robin_sz, thanks..... |
| 01:06.02 | th1 | Azar I agree :) |
| 01:06.04 | magyar | sanxiyn: thanks for your input, much appreciated |
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| 01:06.13 | RichiH | abrotman: yah, yah |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:06.20 | RichiH | i will, though |
| 01:06.21 | sanxiyn | magyar: FWIW, apt-listbugs scans BTS *before* you install anything. |
| 01:06.22 | th1 | I've used debian since when potato was unstable |
| 01:06.28 | robin_sz | JordiGH, people die all the time from smoking and alcoholism, no one ever died from excessive wanking |
| 01:06.29 | sanxiyn | magyar: And if there's critical bugs, it will warn you. |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | potato wasn't unstable |
| 01:06.34 | RichiH | th1: potato never was unstable |
| 01:06.34 | th1 | lol |
| 01:06.35 | Azar | :) |
| 01:06.37 | abrotman | sid is always unstable |
| 01:06.38 | RichiH | unstable is unstable |
| 01:06.42 | RichiH | indeed |
| 01:06.45 | magyar | sanxiyn: sweet |
| 01:06.49 | th1 | well potato was the first real release :) |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | no it wasn't |
| 01:06.56 | abrotman | !release history |
| 01:06.56 | RichiH | no |
| 01:06.56 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | th1: want to keep being wrong? :) |
| 01:07.21 | th1 | eh my bad :) |
| 01:07.25 | th1 | lol |
| 01:07.37 | RichiH | abrotman: everone needs a hobby ;) |
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| 01:07.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:08.05 | JordiGH | robin_sz: It's basically a form of tolerated prostitution, with the same problems that prostitution has. It's a curious thing, though, or perhaps it isn't, that in geek circles pr0n is viewed as benign. |
| 01:08.08 | RichiH | and i need to get used to my laptop keyboard again |
| 01:08.09 | th1 | I ran slink before potato became stable was what I should have said |
| 01:08.36 | sanxiyn | th1: Slink-and-half? |
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| 01:08.42 | th1 | something like that :) |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | th1: you should stop now .. you're embarassing yourself :) |
| 01:08.58 | th1 | I remember framebuffer suddenly turning up one day and a penguin to greet me :) |
| 01:09.14 | th1 | lol abrotman |
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| 01:09.48 | sanxiyn | IIRC slink-and-half was an unofficial release when potato was getting too late. |
| 01:09.51 | RichiH | th1: when i first installed debian, we had to use punch cards instead of floppies |
| 01:10.00 | th1 | no RichiH :) |
| 01:10.13 | th1 | when I first ran linux, it was slackware and the kernel was 0.91 :) |
| 01:10.17 | JordiGH | Too late? And then we had to wait three more years between woody and sarge. :) |
| 01:10.29 | robin_sz | JordiGH, in most circles its viewed as benign ... |
| 01:10.31 | th1 | and even then there wasn't punchcards |
| 01:10.32 | RichiH | th1: and we had to cycle through meters of snow to get at the punch cards |
| 01:10.35 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Eh, Debian releases weren't too infrequent on potato days. |
| 01:10.36 | RichiH | uphills both ways |
| 01:10.42 | Azar | three years but it came out something good |
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| 01:10.55 | tim_flatus | Heh. You should think yourself lucky, we had to toggle switches on a cardboard box &c ... |
| 01:10.55 | robin_sz | punch cards? you were lucky! |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | RichiH: what ... you didn't use an awl on the punchcards |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:11.06 | th1 | I wish Debian would speed up a bit |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | stop whining |
| 01:11.14 | th1 | I've used gentoo etc.. |
| 01:11.16 | RichiH | when walking from the bike to the computer, we had to wrap barbed wire around our bare feet for traction |
| 01:11.19 | sanxiyn | th1: Haha. |
| 01:11.22 | th1 | but I still always choose debian for my servers |
| 01:11.32 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Heh. googling for "porn good" vs "porn bad"... good wins, but not by much of a margin. :) |
| 01:11.34 | robin_sz | switches? we never had the lusury of switches |
| 01:11.39 | abrotman | or x's |
| 01:12.05 | th1 | lol.. now I always choose Tyan motherboards and LSI raid cards for my servers because I know it will work out of the box |
| 01:12.05 | BrianHV | I have a situation which apt-get -f install does not resolve, and neither does manually adding or removing packages (the conflicts just mushroom). if anyone has tips on resolving this, I would be most appreciative. |
| 01:12.05 | RichiH | gentoo and speed are kinda mutually exclusive when an emerge sync takes 45 minutes on a dual-opt system |
| 01:12.10 | robin_sz | we had to magentise core bits with bar magents made from nails |
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| 01:12.18 | JordiGH | Ack, unfortunately, the first hit for "porn bad" is from a theist. :( |
| 01:12.23 | zinx | JordiGH: try putting dirty in the midst |
| 01:12.24 | th1 | RichiH but once you've emerged you get pretty decent performance |
| 01:12.24 | robin_sz | well, when I say nails ... there werent proper nails |
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| 01:12.28 | RichiH | .oO(3ware) |
| 01:12.30 | th1 | for amd64 that doesn't apply though |
| 01:12.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:12.45 | RichiH | th1: not mentioning the fact that emerging takes ages, too |
| 01:12.48 | th1 | becuase all amd64 systems are pretty evenly optimized |
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| 01:12.53 | Azar | BrianHV: what Debian version, kernel version? |
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| 01:13.08 | th1 | RichiH you're right.. thats why I'd only use gentoo on a "playpen" system :) |
| 01:13.09 | Eleaf | hi |
| 01:13.12 | smacnay | Hi, how does one get liblame-dev and liblame0 on a "testing" box? I have installed lame 3.97 from source but seem to need the lame dev lib to install other apps that I want. |
| 01:13.14 | th1 | but those systems are where you develop stuff |
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| 01:13.15 | abrotman | BrianHV: paste the results of `apt-get -f install` |
| 01:13.15 | BrianHV | Azar: unstable, self-built 2.4.19 |
| 01:13.18 | sanxiyn | robin_sz: Eh... |
| 01:13.27 | Azar | BrianHV: ah ok unstable breaks |
| 01:13.28 | EricL | Is there a stock kernel (one that I can apt-get install) that will work with xen? |
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| 01:13.34 | robin_sz | better than the madness that is redhat or whatever it calls itself this week |
| 01:13.51 | th1 | robin_sz better anything other than redhat for sure |
| 01:13.52 | robin_sz | new version every 6 months? I think not |
| 01:13.56 | BrianHV | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/691487 |
| 01:14.10 | sanxiyn | robin_sz: Huh? RHEL doesn't release every 6 months. |
| 01:14.17 | robin_sz | san |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | BrianHV: i think xfree was removed from unstable |
| 01:14.33 | sanxiyn | (It's more like 18 months.) |
| 01:14.34 | th1 | robin_sz we need new stuff all the time in a rolling switchover |
| 01:14.38 | karsten | sanxiyn: It's more like 12-18, right? |
| 01:14.43 | RichiH | abrotman: it was |
| 01:14.43 | JordiGH | So, are we on Slutty Skunk or Dirty Dingo right now? |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | !info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 01:14.49 | sanxiyn | karsten: Yes. |
| 01:14.52 | BrianHV | abrotman: that's fine with me. I just want to update gaim and that happened. ;) |
| 01:14.54 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (transitional package for moving from xfree86 to X.Org), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.15 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 01:14.54 | karsten | JordiGH: Heh. |
| 01:14.57 | th1 | debian/stable ought to be always 6 months behind the latest source |
| 01:14.58 | BrianHV | using xorg is fine |
| 01:15.11 | th1 | but continuously updating.. |
| 01:15.20 | karsten | JordiGH: Is that the new whorebunnie distro I've been hearing about? |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | BrianHV: when is the last time you did an `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` ? |
| 01:15.33 | abrotman | or a dist-upgrade? |
| 01:15.34 | robin_sz | all this talk of pr0n |
| 01:15.42 | sanxiyn | th1: To pull that, we'd need 3 months of furious uploads and 3 months of freezing. |
| 01:15.43 | RichiH | !pr0n |
| 01:15.43 | dpkg | pr0n is probably porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 01:15.44 | BrianHV | updated today. didn't [dist-]upgrade |
| 01:15.45 | Azar | th1: stop whinning, it is ok with 2 years for me |
| 01:15.46 | robin_sz | I need to go and get to bed, wife is already there ... ;) |
| 01:15.52 | JordiGH | karsten: Unfortunately, the very popular Linuxxx distro no longer showcases tastefully naked people. :( |
| 01:15.59 | Allan | JordiGH: Flaming Food |
| 01:16.00 | th1 | sanxiyn we just need more developers |
| 01:16.05 | karsten | JordiGH: Yeah, more's the pity. |
| 01:16.11 | sanxiyn | th1: And during upload phase, unstable would be almost unusable, and during other phase, it won't update at all. |
| 01:16.11 | magyar | sanxiyn: does apt-listbugs apply to testing or only unstable? Cant seem to get the package for etch |
| 01:16.14 | th1 | and we need more "quick 5 step guidance for new developers to start the fun" |
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| 01:16.28 | sanxiyn | th1: There's New Maintainer guide. |
| 01:16.30 | karsten | JordiGH: I used to have the sleeve for that strategically displayed at my desk. |
| 01:16.33 | th1 | I've wanted to do stuff for debian for years but i've never got round to it because there ar eno simple to-do lists |
| 01:16.34 | sanxiyn | th1: I learned that way. It's easy. |
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| 01:16.43 | Azar | th1 maybe some of those who learned to wrote unmaintainable code? |
| 01:16.48 | sanxiyn | !tell th1 about nm guide |
| 01:16.49 | th1 | sanxiyn if im wrong please point me to a page and I'll get rolling next week :) |
| 01:16.58 | sanxiyn | th1: Done. |
| 01:17.08 | th1 | sanxiyn i know how to make deb packages |
| 01:17.22 | th1 | i just dont know how to get them from unstable into testing.. :) |
| 01:17.25 | sanxiyn | th1: If you think about size of Debian, 6 month release cycle is quite unrealistic. |
| 01:17.33 | Azar | th1 if you write "quickies" your ass gonna be in flames |
| 01:17.34 | mne | hikenboot, I've set up NFS which works just fine now. How can I exclusively use NFSv4 ? |
| 01:17.39 | sanxiyn | (As long as people are volunteers, that is.) |
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| 01:17.57 | th1 | i know you guys are right.. because if I think about "what's the most stable linux distro i know" I'll say Debian.. |
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| 01:18.23 | th1 | but we should have a "bleeding edge but not too many bugs" distro, like "testing" but without the black holes like the amd64 testing has now |
| 01:18.37 | th1 | i mean, if mandrake can do it... |
| 01:18.40 | karsten | th1: yggdrasil! |
| 01:18.41 | JordiGH | MANDRIVA! |
| 01:18.47 | Azar | th1 there is a bloody edge : is called ubuntu |
| 01:18.50 | JordiGH | THE RUSSIAN BALLERINA! |
| 01:18.53 | th1 | arf |
| 01:18.55 | sanxiyn | th1: That's true. Ideally, we will keep testing usable, have testing security, and regularly updated testing installer betas. |
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| 01:18.57 | th1 | i dont want to support a fork :) |
| 01:19.03 | sanxiyn | th1: We aren't far from that. |
| 01:19.09 | karsten | th1: What's the black holes in testing? |
| 01:19.20 | sanxiyn | karsten: Current AMD64 migration... |
| 01:19.22 | th1 | karsten for amd64 it's pretty bleak.. try doing an install |
| 01:19.23 | karsten | th1: ... and what's wrong with testing/unstable pinned testing. |
| 01:19.25 | abrotman | he's probably still using the old sources |
| 01:19.37 | karsten | th1: Can't. Don't have AMD64 ;-) |
| 01:19.38 | th1 | I went back to stable after most everything failed to install on etch |
| 01:19.43 | sanxiyn | karsten: To enter Debian archive, AMD64 buildds are busy building entire distribution from scratch. |
| 01:19.47 | JordiGH | I've wondered... how come Debian isn't listed in the FSF's list of truly free distros? Are they protesting the fact that we have a non-free branch? |
| 01:19.52 | sanxiyn | karsten: Will be resolved soon. |
| 01:20.03 | th1 | JordiGH that sounds pretty unlikely |
| 01:20.08 | th1 | last I heard FSF was all for debian |
| 01:20.10 | Azar | hahahahaha.. I upgraded to etch and everything is ok for me |
| 01:20.19 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Yes they are. |
| 01:20.20 | th1 | Azar are you using the official mirror? |
| 01:20.21 | karsten | sanxiyn: So this is a transitory situation. |
| 01:20.27 | Azar | th1 yes |
| 01:20.29 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: It's a well known fact FSF protests about Debian's non-free. |
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| 01:20.34 | sanxiyn | karsten: Yes. |
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| 01:20.44 | th1 | Azar ok.. but there are thousands of packages not working for etch/amd64 |
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| 01:20.52 | Azar | this is a testing box I upgraded to etch; one two one two.. testing |
| 01:20.55 | th1 | it works for a basic server setup |
| 01:21.00 | th1 | but that's about it |
| 01:21.07 | sanxiyn | th1: You can keep debian-amd64 mirror then. |
| 01:21.16 | sanxiyn | th1: Official mirror switching takes time. |
| 01:21.18 | Allan | I am running debian sid, and I would like to install X.org. However, when I install xorg, it says that xserver-xorg failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10. If I install xorg's dependencies, minus xserver-xorg but including its dependencies, X says that the sync is out of range. What's going on; how do I fix it? |
| 01:21.20 | th1 | sanxiyn im not.. I went back to stable.. that works really well |
| 01:21.22 | Azar | ahhhh amd64... it came too early in my opinion |
| 01:21.33 | th1 | Azar its too late already |
| 01:21.33 | sanxiyn | Allan: Check BTS. |
| 01:21.41 | th1 | most nice server hardware is amd64 |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | or RISC |
| 01:21.52 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 365282 |
| 01:21.55 | dpkg | #365282:G[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg 7.0.15 fails installation (pre-inst exit status 10); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:33:02 UTC |
| 01:22.03 | th1 | abrotman: yes, but amd64 is a bit more accessible |
| 01:22.04 | Azar | th1 only because amd rushed up to knock on Intel that does not mean the software was there for it |
| 01:22.27 | th1 | Azar, lets not get into a flamewar here but AMD has a hell of a lot better server platform than intel |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | th1: you should ask IBM about that .. they'll sell you anything |
| 01:22.40 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Hm, there's RMS speaking about Debian and non-free somewhere. Can't find it right now. |
| 01:22.43 | tim_flatus | Which reminds me ... I must go steam my wand. ;) |
| 01:22.46 | JordiGH | sanxiyn: It's a shame that the FSF protests, since Debian makes a point of explicitly flagging non-free packages and lets you know what their problems are. |
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| 01:23.06 | th1 | i have a dual opteron server now and it kicks ass over anything I could get from intel |
| 01:23.07 | Azar | th1 I am an AMD user but I never rushed to buy the 64bit release with no software support: that is dumb |
| 01:23.09 | Allan | sanxiyn: I'm not too familiar with acronyms; what does BTS mean? or the !dbugs thingy |
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| 01:23.14 | ppp | i have broken xorg installation and try to unistall/reinstall it. However, when typing dpkg --purge xserver-xorg i'm getting: "dexconf not found". I was said that dexconf is in xserver-xorg-core wich can't be installed because dependencies. so... what should i do? |
| 01:23.18 | sanxiyn | Allan: Bug Tracking System. |
| 01:23.33 | Allan | !dbugs |
| 01:23.35 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 01:23.41 | sanxiyn | Allan: http://bugs.debian.org/ . When you see !dbugs 362582, you can go to http://bugs.debian.org/362582 for more details. |
| 01:23.51 | JordiGH | bug tracking system |
| 01:23.53 | cafuego | Azar: it runs 32but just dandy (faster then intel) |
| 01:23.54 | Allan | thanks |
| 01:23.55 | sanxiyn | Eh, 365282. |
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| 01:24.03 | sanxiyn | http://bugs.debian.org/365282 |
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| 01:24.31 | Azar | cafuego: yes on 32 is perfect, but kooks want to use 64 like yesterday |
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| 01:25.04 | cafuego | Azar: I switched back from 32 to 64 on mine yesterday actually <heh> |
| 01:25.05 | Allan | that bug URL leads to something about copyrights. |
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| 01:25.13 | Azar | my next box will be a 64, next year when it becomes "stable" with the software |
| 01:25.25 | Allan | was it a typo? |
| 01:25.36 | Azar | cafuego: you and some others are the experts |
| 01:25.36 | cafuego | it works identical to the 32bit,e xcept video conversion takes about half as long now. |
| 01:25.37 | Allan | !dbugs xserver-xorg 10 |
| 01:25.39 | dpkg | error: could not parse xserver-xorg 10 |
| 01:25.49 | sanxiyn | Allan: Yes it was a typo. |
| 01:25.50 | cafuego | Mind you, I don't _want_ flash or java plugins. |
| 01:25.52 | Thanatermesis | stew do you have received my last messages ? 0.6.12 of ivman has a bug (i think) with the USB hard disk's, but it works with 0.6.10 |
| 01:25.57 | sanxiyn | Allan: http://bugs.debian.org/365282 |
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| 01:26.08 | Allan | thanks |
| 01:26.10 | Azar | cafuego: :) agree there: my logo: say no to java |
| 01:26.11 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Debian and FSF disagreed on other things in the past. Debug symbols and GFDL come to mind. |
| 01:26.18 | Thanatermesis | i say to its a bug because make the same things to the Ipod thing solved in the 0.6.12 |
| 01:26.28 | JordiGH | sanxiyn: Debug symbols? |
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| 01:26.41 | JordiGH | sanxiyn: I found something that talks about the gfdl. |
| 01:26.50 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Debian policy requires you to strip debug symbols (because users don't need them). FSF protested. |
| 01:27.05 | JordiGH | Er, but then the binaries are larger! |
| 01:27.08 | plasmoduck | where can I find the tgz eggdrop.conf? |
| 01:27.12 | JordiGH | And that's what apt-get source is for. |
| 01:27.14 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Yes, that's the whole point. |
| 01:27.21 | plasmoduck | !find eggdrop.conf |
| 01:27.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'eggdrop.conf' (1): (/usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz) in net/eggdrop-data. |
| 01:27.40 | plasmoduck | sweet |
| 01:27.57 | Thanatermesis | btw... im on #elive-unstable stew |
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| 01:28.04 | JordiGH | Ever read about the xemacs/emacs war? Rms is a nut sometimes. :) |
| 01:28.10 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Nowadays Debian provides -dbg packages containing debug symbols for... well, debugging purpose. Only selected some libraries though. |
| 01:28.39 | plasmoduck | what happens when Deb & Ian run out of Toystory charactor names for their releases? |
| 01:28.48 | plasmoduck | what will they use next? |
| 01:28.53 | plasmoduck | Finding Nemo |
| 01:28.56 | sanxiyn | plasmoduck: There's doc for that too... |
| 01:29.06 | plasmoduck | where? |
| 01:29.07 | JordiGH | Rms doesn't like data hiding, since he codes in C, not C++. Heh. He used to complain when working in Emacs that people would only provide him with headers but not code. |
| 01:29.08 | sanxiyn | "Possible future Debian release names" or so in Debian CVS. |
| 01:29.17 | JordiGH | Er, working in Xemacs. |
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| 01:29.18 | plasmoduck | link? |
| 01:29.35 | sanxiyn | plasmoduck: Can't find it right now. But I can swear I've seen it. |
| 01:29.56 | roo9 | anyone know offhand the option to make tcpdump print full packet data? |
| 01:30.08 | plasmoduck | http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2004/01/msg00016.html |
| 01:30.26 | plasmoduck | roo9 tcpdum -i eth0 ? |
| 01:30.27 | sanxiyn | roo9: -x |
| 01:30.34 | sanxiyn | roo9: Will print each packet in hex. |
| 01:30.50 | roo9 | well... ascii would be preferable |
| 01:30.56 | JordiGH | I haven't checked recently, but could M$'s latest conceivably fit in 2 gigs? I remember a friend was impressed when I told him that a very usable Debian distro could easily fit in that size. |
| 01:31.06 | roo9 | -X :) |
| 01:31.10 | roo9 | thanks sanxiyn |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: XP ? |
| 01:31.12 | sanxiyn | plasmoduck: That email is nut. |
| 01:31.59 | roo9 | haha, that's funny |
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| 01:32.15 | JordiGH | abrotman: Sure. I get the feeling that there's no way it could fit in 2 gigs, but am I wrong? |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | JordiGH: it will fit .. but that's about it |
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| 01:33.50 | JordiGH | abrotman: So it is all the pr0n and mp3s that are causing the bloat. Heh. |
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| 01:34.10 | Kraig | what package is supposed to provide /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/ ? |
| 01:34.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: it should be possible anyways .. check the min reqs at microsoft.com |
| 01:34.16 | sanxiyn | I have 6.6G in Debian unstable and 4.5G in Windows XP... |
| 01:35.18 | bbrazil | Kraig: apt-file search /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/ |
| 01:35.18 | Kraig | thanks |
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| 01:35.18 | Kraig | it returns nothing... |
| 01:35.18 | sanxiyn | But I have most python-* and *-java packages installed (for development)... |
| 01:35.20 | Kraig | sorry |
| 01:35.45 | Kraig | still nothing... |
| 01:36.57 | Kraig | i wonder why X is searching for those dirs... |
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| 01:37.55 | astronut | how do you switch vty's from the console? |
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| 01:38.21 | nomasteryoda|w | Ctl+alt+F1... F12 |
| 01:38.25 | nomasteryoda|w | basically |
| 01:38.28 | astronut | chvt was what i wanted |
| 01:38.28 | astronut | sorry |
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| 01:38.54 | Pegger | what does the s mean drwx--S--- |
| 01:39.08 | astronut | sticky |
| 01:39.25 | astronut | users can't delete files, only add |
| 01:39.27 | astronut | or something like that |
| 01:39.46 | dvs | astronut: They can delete their own files |
| 01:39.48 | Pegger | i am having trouble changing the permissions using root |
| 01:40.00 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.04 | karsten | That's a group sticky. |
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| 01:40.54 | Pegger | well then root should be able to change it |
| 01:41.25 | stoned | TACO BUENO! |
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| 01:41.42 | JordiGH | huh? |
| 01:42.12 | dvs | stoned: That good? |
| 01:43.07 | sanxiyn | Argh libwxbase2.6-0 install required --fix-broken. :( |
| 01:43.16 | sanxiyn | Too lazy to file a bug. |
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| 01:45.09 | dirk___ | does xorg 7.0 has a special configuration for dual head setups (with one PCI and one AGP card)? |
| 01:45.13 | JordiGH | I tried filing a bug once, but my firewall wouldn't let me connect. :( |
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| 01:45.24 | dirk___ | my original setup doesn't seem to work |
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| 01:46.02 | JordiGH | dirk___: I don't think so.. I've had to use the vendor's drivers for the one time I've used two cards at once. |
| 01:46.09 | stoned | quite good |
| 01:46.13 | stoned | i got the munchies man |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | stoned: can't imagine why |
| 01:46.23 | stoned | lol |
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| 01:47.02 | dirk___ | It used to work for two years or so, but I can't find a way set it up again |
| 01:47.10 | dirk___ | probably it is a radeon bug |
| 01:47.24 | JordiGH | Er, I'm a little embarrassed to ask this, but can any of you connect to livejournal.com? |
| 01:48.02 | dirk___ | this is in my Xorg.log: RADEON(1): Video BIOS not detected in PCI space! |
| 01:48.10 | abrotman | ohnoes! |
| 01:48.32 | sanxiyn | JordiGH: Yes I can connect fine. |
| 01:49.01 | JordiGH | sanxiyn: Strange... |
| 01:49.14 | dirk___ | afterwards an fatal server error occurs (Caught signal 8...) |
| 01:49.24 | karsten | JordiGH: Are you on the web mgt team and you just downed the site? |
| 01:49.26 | JordiGH | sanxiyn: It wouldn't be the first time that part of teh interweb is unavailable to me. |
| 01:49.34 | karsten | JordiGH: Works here ;-) |
| 01:49.35 | dirk___ | Google doesn't help, nor does BTS |
| 01:50.04 | sanxiyn | dirk__: Too bad. |
| 01:50.23 | JordiGH | The magic of X forwarding will help. X-forwarding across countries lets me access stuff I normally can't! :D |
| 01:51.45 | stoned | JordiGH, please tell you are using NX/freenx over countries |
| 01:51.47 | karsten | JordiGH: Where are you?] |
| 01:51.48 | Kupal[]_ | my remote X users are not working, i can login with root.. anyhelp? |
| 01:52.11 | stoned | otherwise you need an insanely powerful conenction |
| 01:52.17 | JordiGH | I'm in Mexico, X-forwarding from Canada. Remarkably, it works at a reasonable speed. |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | illegal! |
| 01:52.31 | stoned | you can get almost local speed |
| 01:52.35 | stoned | JordiGH, use freenx |
| 01:52.44 | karsten | Kupal[]_: Have you enabled X11 forwarding local and remote? Have you restarted/reloaded sshd? Have you run either client and/or server in debug mode? |
| 01:52.44 | JordiGH | What's illegal? What's freenx? |
| 01:53.07 | karsten | JordiGH: A free software NX implementation. |
| 01:53.09 | stoned | don't ask questions until you've searched yourself |
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| 01:54.33 | Azar | :) "Introducing LKM programming" yay! |
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| 01:55.01 | Azar | http://www.linuxforums.org/programming/introducing_lkm_programming_part_i.html |
| 01:55.03 | stoned | goddamn this taco is good |
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| 01:55.15 | Kupal[]_ | karsten i have gdm starring at me |
| 01:55.17 | Kupal[]_ | root is good |
| 01:55.23 | Kupal[]_ | other user will not work |
| 01:55.25 | JordiGH | I wonder if livejournal.com has started connecting on a non-http port. I'm completely mystified as to why I can't connect from Mexico. |
| 01:55.28 | protoloco | Hi, i need to run a rtsp (Real-Time Stream Protocol) Server on Linux... But i dont know which softawre does it... and the Client... |
| 01:55.55 | karsten | JordiGH: spam mitiation? |
| 01:56.07 | stoned | protoloco, apt-cache search <keyword> |
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| 01:56.10 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:56.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 01:56.41 | Kupal[]_ | karsten: just made a new user too, and it will not login to the xserver |
| 01:56.42 | JordiGH | karsten: Correction, I just sshed into a different machine in Mexico which CAN connect. I think it's my sysadmin messing around with my local connection again. |
| 01:56.47 | Kupal[]_ | yet gdm is running... |
| 01:57.01 | karsten | Kupal[]_: See prior messages. Run 'ssh -v' locally to remote. Run sshd remotely in debug, nondaemon, verbose mode. I fyou can't sort out issues, /msg dpkg paster and paste FULL COMMANDS *ANS* OUTPUT> |
| 01:57.22 | stoned | Kupal[]_, you have to start the x session to either accept any user's connection, xauth, or disable xauth |
| 01:57.24 | karsten | JordiGH: Can you twiddle the port? telnet or netcat. |
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| 01:57.37 | karsten | stoned: Please don't mention xauth. |
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| 01:58.02 | Kupal[]_ | im not running over ssh. |
| 01:58.15 | stoned | karsten, don't just reqeust me to do something, of course I a m going to ask for WHY :) |
| 01:58.24 | Kupal[]_ | is their a log i can stare at? |
| 01:58.24 | JordiGH | karsten: I could do ssh port forwarding if I knew which port to forward, and if indeed this is the problem. |
| 01:58.44 | karsten | stoned: You shoouldn't be running raw X11 over th e Internet. Tunneled over SSH. |
| 01:59.08 | karsten | Kupal[]_: Um. And why *aren't* you running over ssh? |
| 01:59.13 | karsten | kYou're trying to remotely access a host? |
| 01:59.38 | Kupal[]_ | im sitting right next to it. |
| 01:59.55 | Kupal[]_ | im good with ssh tunnelling, just not neccesary when sitting next to it. |
| 02:00.40 | cafuego | When sitting next to it, you don't need to open up the box to $everyone just to run an X app, ssh tunneling is far easier. |
| 02:00.40 | JordiGH | Happy almost belated Gauss's birthday, by the way. |
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| 02:01.45 | Kupal[]_ | permission denied, mkdtemp |
| 02:03.04 | Kupal[]_ | fixed it /tmp was hosed.. |
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| 02:06.35 | DragonD | how can i search inside of files? |
| 02:06.47 | Coweater | grep |
| 02:07.29 | DragonD | well let me explain.. cron is tring to run something every hour and it's not found so it sends me an email every hour. |
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| 02:08.38 | foo | http://pastebin.com/691546 - can someone take a look at this? Having some problems with my wifi card. |
| 02:09.30 | myboxen | anyone using VMware on their Linux box |
| 02:09.39 | foo | myboxen: yes |
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| 02:10.01 | plasmoduck | !find eggdrop.conf |
| 02:10.12 | Coweater | foo: dmesg reports it as eth1? |
| 02:10.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'eggdrop.conf' (1): (/usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz) in net/eggdrop-data. |
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| 02:10.26 | myboxen | I got VMware 5.5.1 installed, I used my serial, but it says it can't find a license for that serial. |
| 02:10.33 | cheal | !tell plasmoduck about msg the bot |
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| 02:10.42 | dantrix | hello |
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| 02:10.52 | plasmoduck | don't flood with it |
| 02:11.00 | dantrix | somewere speak spanish |
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| 02:11.06 | Coweater | myboxen: ask vmware, how do you expect us to support their product? |
| 02:11.07 | plasmoduck | !tell cheal about intelligent questions |
| 02:11.09 | cheal | !tell dantrix about es |
| 02:11.17 | dantrix | peru |
| 02:11.22 | dantrix | i from peru |
| 02:11.26 | foo | myboxen: uh, tell VMware. |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 02:11.28 | dantrix | and you? |
| 02:11.30 | karsten | stoned. Sorry, very lossy connection here. |
| 02:11.30 | karsten | stoned: basically, xauth implied s direct over-the-internet connections. You should be tunneling over Xssh. |
| 02:11.33 | cheal | dantrix: #debian-es |
| 02:11.34 | karsten | kupal[]_ Got it. |
| 02:11.34 | karsten | JordiGH: ... but instead just wanted 45 seconds of white nouse? |
| 02:11.35 | decaf | hi, I'm converting a centos to sarge remotely and really need a default sarge /etc/fstab. help. |
| 02:11.36 | karsten | JordiGH: is there any truth to the rumor that Gauss didn't like poeple singing "Happy Birthday" ... |
| 02:11.43 | dantrix | ok |
| 02:11.44 | foo | Coweater: Hm, didn't know dmesg shows that.. .but actually, yes, it does: http://pastebin.com/691553 |
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| 02:11.50 | dantrix | thanks |
| 02:12.21 | dantrix | bye |
| 02:12.24 | myboxen | I don't, I was just curious if anyone has ever come across this |
| 02:12.40 | foo | Coweater: Weird, eh? |
| 02:12.41 | myboxen | thanks |
| 02:12.51 | stoned | karsten, when on a local network, protected by a router/firewall, xauth is ok. If you tunnel over ssh, thats even better. But there are some things that don't get forwarded over ssh |
| 02:13.01 | stoned | for that you'd have to create extra tunnels, and that can get to be a pain |
| 02:13.07 | Coweater | foo: got me then, my only guess was a different device name (never done wifi) |
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| 02:13.14 | stoned | now if you've running if over the internet, then go through ssh, sure |
| 02:13.17 | JordiGH | karsten: "Happy birthday" was written at the start of the 20th century. I'm sure Gauss couldn't possibly mind. :) |
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| 02:13.30 | cshaman | Hi all. |
| 02:13.40 | DragonD | i can't find anything that has rotate.pl in it |
| 02:13.43 | karsten | JordiGH: Feh, do you dissect frogs for humor too? ;-) |
| 02:13.47 | JordiGH | I believe it was even copyrighted, or possibly still is. I wonder how long before it shows up as a Debian package. |
| 02:13.54 | decaf | not necessary anymore |
| 02:13.55 | DragonD | using grep -i 'rotate.pl' */*/* ect |
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| 02:14.08 | foo | Coweater: ahh, I just did iwconfig ... it's eth2. hmm, that's ewird. |
| 02:14.09 | karsten | stoned: Right. There are special cases. In general it's Not A Good Thing To Do, and can very easily lead to bad habits or invalid assumptions. |
| 02:14.16 | cshaman | I would like to uninstall the Gnome and KDE desktop environments without affecting programs that require gtk to run. How could I do this? |
| 02:14.18 | karsten | stoned: eg: that the local network is actually secure. |
| 02:14.30 | foo | Coweater: Geez, that's weird. Anyway I can rename it so eth2 is wlan0 or something? Like it should be ... hmm. |
| 02:14.42 | jnc | ack, usb net device isn't supported, has chipset mcs7830 |
| 02:14.52 | stoned | trur |
| 02:14.55 | stoned | karsten, true |
| 02:15.01 | jnc | where would i start if i wanted to at least add in some IDs for this device in the linux kernel? |
| 02:15.01 | karsten | cshaman: I wouldn't really bother. The bulk of both environments is the libs and support, not the last bits of end-user gloss. |
| 02:15.32 | stoned | jnc, o |
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| 02:15.44 | karsten | cshaman: both GNOME and KDE are a mess of packages and deps. You could kill the DMs and window managers but even that might affect other stuff. |
| 02:15.45 | stoned | Jnco Jeans company ! I've goto thier clothes |
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| 02:16.03 | msoeima | hi everyone. |
| 02:16.07 | stoned | apparantly Jnco jeans company stands for the following, Jeans N*gg*rs can't wear, horrible isn't it |
| 02:16.08 | jnc | goto's are evil |
| 02:16.08 | cshaman | karsten: That's too bad; I am running out of disk space :/ |
| 02:16.10 | stoned | :( |
| 02:16.22 | stoned | sorry, not wear, own |
| 02:16.27 | stoned | either way, its sad |
| 02:16.31 | stoned | anyway, carry on |
| 02:16.42 | JordiGH | If you start with a failsafe X session, which usually loads some sort of xterm, you can load kde from there. kicker, kwin, and kdesktop will give you a "minimal" kde. :) |
| 02:16.52 | karsten | cshaman: Hrm. Now *that* is a legit gripe. |
| 02:16.56 | msoeima | can someone tell me where i can find an up-to-date freenx deb package? |
| 02:17.12 | stoned | msoeima, google it, there are some |
| 02:17.13 | karsten | cshaman: Packages list their installed sizes. You might simply start killing some of the larger ones. |
| 02:17.20 | Azar | hehehe.. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html |
| 02:17.35 | cj | ah... figured that was coming... |
| 02:17.41 | msoeima | stoned, i found one but it doesn't seem to work. it's located at kanotix. |
| 02:17.47 | JordiGH | cshaman: I find synaptic useful for browsing through stuff I don't want and releasing more space. |
| 02:17.48 | cshaman | karsten: I am using an 8gb hard-drive; my root partition is 3gb and my home partition is 5gb; I only have about 300mb left on the root partition. |
| 02:17.50 | msoeima | stoned, do you perhaps know of any others? |
| 02:18.02 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.19 | stoned | http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php |
| 02:18.23 | magyar | why does it say "unknown" in this line "0000:00:0f.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20268 (Ultra100 TX2) (rev 02)"? |
| 02:18.29 | JordiGH | cshaman: How much have you used on the user partition? |
| 02:18.34 | karsten | magyar: That's typical. |
| 02:18.46 | dvs | magyar: Try update-pciids |
| 02:19.28 | msoeima | stoned, thanks! :-) |
| 02:19.36 | foo | My wireless pcmcia card is eth2 ... it used to be eth1, no idea why it changed. Any way to name it eth1 or something? |
| 02:19.38 | cshaman | karsten: Want to lend me some money? :) |
| 02:19.52 | magyar | dvs: wow, that was kool |
| 02:20.08 | dvs | magyar: Does it say something different now? |
| 02:20.10 | cshaman | JordiGH: I've used 553mb on the home partition |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | magyar: wait til you try update-usbids |
| 02:20.23 | myboxen | foo or Coweater: did either of you have issues with your network cards when VMWare added the VMnet cards? |
| 02:20.36 | foo | myboxen: Hmm, haven't tried to use it to be honest. |
| 02:20.38 | stoned | vmware == evil |
| 02:20.39 | magyar | dvs: yeap, it fixed the ids |
| 02:20.52 | dvs | !beer me |
| 02:20.56 | myboxen | foo: ok, thank you. |
| 02:21.00 | stoned | !sex me |
| 02:21.00 | dpkg | stoned is about 25% male |
| 02:21.03 | stoned | wtf |
| 02:21.06 | stoned | :( |
| 02:21.08 | magyar | abrotman: nice |
| 02:21.09 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:21.11 | magyar | :) |
| 02:21.20 | stoned | dpkg, i hate you |
| 02:21.20 | dpkg | let's have make-up sex, stoned! |
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| 02:21.26 | myboxen | stoned: windows == > evil than VMWare |
| 02:21.41 | JordiGH | cshaman: Oy. Is there a special reason for why you've partitioned it like that? It might be worthwhile to backup your data, delete the home partition, and move it /home. |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | stoned: stop messing with the bot please |
| 02:21.54 | JordiGH | cshaman: And resize your root partition, of course. |
| 02:22.12 | stoned | abrotman, i hate you too :( |
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| 02:22.18 | abrotman | stoned: go cry |
| 02:22.30 | stoned | i can't i just ate taco bueno |
| 02:22.39 | foo | Hmm, my mouse wheel skips a workspace in fluxbox. Anyway to only make it skip one? |
| 02:23.05 | stoned | foo, it happened to me too, I changed my mouse with one with a tighter wheel, it works now |
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| 02:25.27 | foo | stoned: haha. Hm, that's one way to fix the problem. |
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| 02:26.07 | stoned | foo, its not going to be fixed with any kind of mouse wheel scroll settings |
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| 02:26.13 | stoned | trust me, its just a loose wheel thats all |
| 02:26.17 | stoned | I've tried |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | i thought you could set resolution for the z axis |
| 02:26.33 | hikenboot | If i use mknod to create devices in /dev why would they disappear after a reboot? |
| 02:26.55 | abrotman | you're using udev ? |
| 02:26.55 | dvs | hikenboot: udev |
| 02:26.57 | foo | stoned: hmm. I have another mouse ... same type / model .. everything. I guess I could try and swap. |
| 02:27.14 | stoned | foo, if it happens with the other mouse, then you know its a setting probls |
| 02:27.24 | cshaman | Will synaptic notify me if any dependencies will be screwed up due to removal of certain packages? |
| 02:27.41 | stoned | you could check pointer section in xorg.conf too make sure its good |
| 02:27.49 | hikenboot | yes but strangely udev didnt create /dev/tty2-6 which is why i made them because it stopped an inittab respawn message from appearing |
| 02:28.05 | cheal | cshaman: synaptic won't let you screw up dependencies, unless you confirm the removal of ESSENTIAL packages |
| 02:28.33 | dvs | hikenboot: Compile console into the kernel? |
| 02:28.37 | Azar | I spent three years on Debian linux without figuring out much about modules. That small article helped a lot in half hour |
| 02:28.45 | foo | stoned: Yup, this mouse does it too (same model and everything) |
| 02:29.00 | hikenboot | what is the option in the kernel tree ...I can check my config |
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| 02:30.16 | dvs | CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS |
| 02:30.38 | hikenboot | thanks i will check |
| 02:30.53 | foo | abrotman: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" - happen to know which one I change? |
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| 02:31.20 | abrotman | not that one |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | foo: you'd have to do research ... i'm not sure you can change the resolution |
| 02:32.46 | hikenboot | dvs, its in there and its set to y |
| 02:32.58 | dvs | i don't know then |
| 02:33.24 | hikenboot | me neither i have been working with this respawn message for 2 days |
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| 02:34.52 | jshriver | Greetings |
| 02:35.07 | jshriver | IS there a good howto for rolling your own distro using the debian package manager? |
| 02:35.35 | jshriver | well at least a good apt/dpkg tutorial. making your own debs etc.. setting up your own .deb server |
| 02:36.28 | abrotman | !dfs |
| 02:36.29 | dpkg | methinks dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 02:36.59 | cheal | !tell jshriver about apt howto |
| 02:37.00 | jshriver | I'm thinking about making a small distro for my lug, and wanted to make it debian like since I love apt-tools |
| 02:37.02 | jshriver | hehe |
| 02:37.04 | cheal | !tell jshriver about nm guide |
| 02:37.13 | jshriver | nice appreciate it everyone |
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| 02:37.28 | cheal | jshriver: what's the debian package manager? |
| 02:38.06 | kepht | is there a simple way to see what usb support is enabled in stock debian kernels? |
| 02:38.07 | jshriver | dpkg? |
| 02:38.21 | jshriver | or the apt-tools (apt-get, apt-cache, etc) |
| 02:38.29 | jshriver | not really sure trying to figure that out |
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| 02:43.31 | destrius | hi, is anybody having problems with fonts in unstable? suddenly all my vanilla x apps (xfontsel, xpdf, xemacs) complain "Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font" |
| 02:43.59 | destrius | xlsfonts shows lots of fonts with -iso8859- though |
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| 02:48.55 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 02:48.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:50.21 | cheal | !abrotmoo |
| 02:50.22 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 02:50.42 | jshriver | !moo |
| 02:50.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:50.56 | DragonD | can tar split files? |
| 02:51.01 | cheal | sorry, I'm out of factoids |
| 02:51.08 | jshriver | lmao apt-get moo really works |
| 02:51.12 | abrotman | DragonD: man split |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | !tell DragonD about grounding |
| 02:54.11 | StereoSkit | heh the cowsay |
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| 02:58.28 | cliche | hi |
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| 03:00.05 | Agrajag- | gday, im trying to build a simple debian package. say i just have a foo.sh which i want to install in /usr/bin. i have a directory with usr/bin/foo.sh in it and a debian/control file. i can't find any good howto's for this sort of situation (the maintainers guide just has an exampe for a source package with a complicated debian/rules file which i don't need) |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | !mg |
| 03:00.25 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 03:00.34 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors |
| 03:01.05 | copyclose | how do you configure xfree88/x again |
| 03:01.09 | copyclose | reconfigure* |
| 03:01.25 | copyclose | nvm |
| 03:01.27 | shogunx | copyclose i just do X -configure |
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| 03:02.23 | cheal | !drxx copyclose |
| 03:02.24 | dpkg | copyclose: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:09.06 | nitromike | hello room, have a major printing question involving Epson Stylus Photo R220 on kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 03:09.06 | nitromike | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.07 | copyclose | how come 2.6 wont detect my mouse? |
| 03:10.40 | nitromike | basically I have determined that CUPS is working fine and the printer is seen, just when you go to print to the Epson it never prints |
| 03:12.20 | myren | how do i run a program continuously until it succeeds |
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| 03:13.08 | cheal | !tell copyclose about 2.6 mouse |
| 03:14.39 | cheal | myren: say, running foo again and again until it exits with status 0? |
| 03:14.46 | myren | yeah |
| 03:15.15 | copyclose | it says: Failed to load module "GLcore" |
| 03:15.41 | cheal | myren: that would need making a simple loop checking for the exit status |
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| 03:16.12 | myren | right |
| 03:16.14 | myren | so um |
| 03:16.15 | myren | how |
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| 03:17.32 | plasmid | I just installed debian 3.r2 testing via regular CD install..no net install. I would like to be in X. What package should I install? |
| 03:17.43 | plasmoduck | does /usr/share need root to access it? |
| 03:17.46 | plasmoduck | or just user access |
| 03:17.52 | cheal | myren: use a for |
| 03:17.59 | plasmoduck | because I done something as root |
| 03:18.06 | plasmoduck | so it's changed the access |
| 03:18.26 | cheal | plasmid: there's no such Debian version as 3.r2 |
| 03:18.38 | plasmid | cheal, my mistake. 3.1r2 |
| 03:18.55 | cheal | plasmid: OK, but 3.1r2 is stable, not testing |
| 03:19.16 | cheal | !tell plasmid about install x |
| 03:19.22 | copyclose | which nvidia kernel do i need to start X with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 03:19.46 | cheal | copyclose: what? what's an nvidia kernel? |
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| 03:20.11 | Azar | cheal: the apt-cache gives something named nvidia-kernel |
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| 03:20.36 | Azar | copyclose: you need to install the nvidia driver? |
| 03:20.38 | myren | thakns for absol-fucking-lutely nothing einstein |
| 03:20.50 | copyclose | i just upgraded my kernel now X is acting up |
| 03:20.52 | myren | god damned i'm tired of worthless fucking people |
| 03:20.53 | stoned | hey stfu, einstein gave us a lot |
| 03:20.59 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:21.05 | copyclose | !glide |
| 03:21.05 | dpkg | methinks glide is a library for using 3dfx hardware, it's opensource and available at glide.sourceforge.net. In debian there are glide2x (for use with device3dfx) and glide3x (for use with X4/dri) debs available. |
| 03:21.12 | copyclose | i think this is what i need |
| 03:21.27 | Azar | copyclose: you use xfree86 or xorg? |
| 03:21.51 | copyclose | xfree86 |
| 03:21.57 | copyclose | im running sarge |
| 03:21.58 | stoned | myren, copyclose what video card ? |
| 03:22.00 | copyclose | stable |
| 03:22.02 | stoned | i mean |
| 03:22.04 | Azar | myren: is easy to aspire at free help and be rude in the same time |
| 03:22.05 | stoned | copyclose, video card? |
| 03:22.10 | copyclose | geforce mx 400 |
| 03:22.13 | stoned | copyclose, here |
| 03:22.19 | copyclose | ? |
| 03:22.23 | Azar | copyclose: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:22.35 | Azar | copyclose: exactly like mine |
| 03:22.46 | copyclose | i didn't do anything but upgraded my kernel, now its acting up |
| 03:22.49 | myren | Azar: its harder than using shitty grammer |
| 03:22.59 | Azar | copyclose: it happens sometime, just run that command |
| 03:23.01 | stoned | copyclose, apt-get install x-window-system-core nvidia-glx module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:23.17 | Azar | copyclose: what stoned said |
| 03:23.53 | copyclose | i had X/xfree86 working on 2.4.27 kernel |
| 03:24.36 | cheal | stoned: even the "official" one-liner can't help someone new to it. don't expect to help if you mangle it |
| 03:24.55 | stoned | you have to compile the nvdidia kernel with the same version of gcc that compiled your linux kernel |
| 03:25.02 | copyclose | oh ic |
| 03:25.02 | stoned | cheal, umm, whats wrong with the above? |
| 03:25.38 | cheal | stoned: many things. I'd rather point to the guide then explain what's wrong |
| 03:26.05 | stoned | cheal, I'd rather you explained |
| 03:26.11 | Pegger | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.43 | cheal | stoned: as an example, building the kernel module after installing the X libs makes no sense |
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| 03:26.50 | copyclose | and all things move slow on 2.6 |
| 03:27.02 | stoned | cheal, have you ever tried it? |
| 03:27.19 | stoned | cheal, I speak from experience, it works, and there is nothing non-debian about htis |
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| 03:27.27 | cheal | stoned: heh. I don't think I need to |
| 03:27.28 | stoned | cheal, unless you've a solid reason |
| 03:27.37 | stoned | shush |
| 03:27.53 | cheal | stoned: I'm not saying it's non-debian...it just doesn't make sense |
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| 03:28.16 | stoned | cheal, you can install x afterwords if you want, it doesn't make a fucking difference |
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| 03:28.34 | stoned | stop being so goddamn anal :( |
| 03:28.36 | cheal | stoned: right, but that doesn't help |
| 03:28.46 | cheal | stoned: ?? |
| 03:29.14 | cheal | stoned: I'm just telling you, don't expect to help someone new to the NVIDIA nightmare with a one-liner |
| 03:29.15 | copyclose | im using kernel-image-2.6.8-3.686 |
| 03:29.24 | plasmid | cheal, is there something i need to do (besides apt-getting kde) to start up X (i used to type startx in my olde system) |
| 03:29.26 | Azar | shhhhh.... no manual I tried clearly lists the order of installation, configuration, and kernel module build. I want to know |
| 03:29.31 | copyclose | what else do i need to do to complete get this thing to work? |
| 03:29.54 | Azar | I had to figure out the order / the steps on my own |
| 03:29.56 | stoned | copyclose, whats going on right now, what have you installed and done so far and whats not working etc. |
| 03:30.01 | Azar | and I am sure I act like a bovine |
| 03:30.14 | cheal | copyclose: which thing... what's wrong? "X is acting up" is vague |
| 03:30.54 | copyclose | its reading database... |
| 03:30.58 | plasmid | !dpkg set up x |
| 03:30.58 | dpkg | i guess set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 03:31.08 | cheal | plasmid: startx should work, but you may want to use a display manager if you're not familiar with that |
| 03:31.11 | Azar | cheal with all respect I only know fixing nvidia with the one-liner |
| 03:31.24 | plasmid | cheal, display manager = kdm? |
| 03:31.39 | cheal | plasmid: yes, that would be the most appropriate to use with KDE |
| 03:31.48 | copyclose | should i use 386 or 686 ? |
| 03:31.51 | plasmid | cheal, ok thanks :-) |
| 03:31.56 | copyclose | im running p800 celeron |
| 03:32.02 | cheal | Azar: no wonder why you're still talking about nvidia issues |
| 03:32.16 | Azar | cheal? huh? issues? never |
| 03:32.28 | Azar | since I used the one-liner all is ok |
| 03:32.35 | copyclose | stoned: compiling nvidia source now |
| 03:32.55 | cheal | Azar: heh. i remember you asking if things had improved with nvidia no longer than a month ago |
| 03:33.27 | stoned | copyclose, if you typed what I told you then it should take you to the next step, configuring X, this time pick 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' |
| 03:33.29 | Azar | cheal, the thing is my Geforce4 mx mx 400 does not have a 3D but that I can live with |
| 03:33.48 | Azar | stoned, there is no "nvidia" choice, only "nv" |
| 03:34.04 | stoned | then nvidia module isn't loaded |
| 03:34.10 | stoned | or nvidia-glx isn't present |
| 03:34.20 | cheal | copyclose: check the package descriptions |
| 03:34.22 | stoned | or both |
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| 03:34.29 | Azar | stoned: it does not exist .. not even with etch 2.6.15 kernel |
| 03:34.38 | stoned | dude |
| 03:34.41 | stoned | i'm running sid right now |
| 03:34.50 | Azar | on xfree86 reconfigure? I have not seen it |
| 03:34.57 | stoned | I have an nvidia card |
| 03:34.59 | gerardomt | HI |
| 03:35.08 | stoned | and I am telling you how I configured it, I don't hallucinate man |
| 03:35.08 | gerardomt | Can you tell me how to install a .tar? |
| 03:35.12 | stoned | really, I just get high |
| 03:35.13 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:35.30 | Azar | ok I will run reconfigure again maybe I missed it? |
| 03:35.35 | cheal | Azar: hah, now you're telling me you don't have issues with nvidia? ^_^ |
| 03:35.50 | copyclose | you don't install tar, you untar em |
| 03:35.50 | Azar | cheal only issue is: no 3D |
| 03:36.11 | gerardomt | .tar.gz |
| 03:36.23 | copyclose | tar -xzvf file.tar.gz |
| 03:36.27 | Pegger | how hard is radius to set up |
| 03:36.42 | cheal | Azar: muahahaha |
| 03:36.50 | copyclose | should i use 386 or 686 ? i have celeron 800mhz |
| 03:36.55 | cheal | copyclose: check the package descriptions |
| 03:36.57 | copyclose | 386 was running fine |
| 03:37.23 | Pegger | Cope, 686 will work fine |
| 03:37.31 | copyclose | ic |
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| 03:38.08 | shogunx | copyclose 686 will get you a few % better performance due to the optimizations. |
| 03:38.18 | Azar | ok I do not dream: NO "nvidia" option on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86: "nv" only |
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| 03:38.44 | stoned | Azar, this means that you have not compiled and loaded the nvidia kernel module |
| 03:38.45 | Azar | and is working ok with "nv" too |
| 03:38.54 | stoned | nv != 3d acceraltion |
| 03:38.56 | copyclose | shogunx: well my 800mhz celeron was smoking on 386 |
| 03:39.02 | Azar | stoned: I used nvidia one-liner |
| 03:39.07 | stoned | and? |
| 03:39.13 | Azar | "nv" |
| 03:39.26 | stoned | Azar, lsmod|grep nv |
| 03:39.35 | Azar | and this is the second box with Debian installation, both nvidia |
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| 03:39.57 | stoned | Azar, does that list 'nvidia' or 'nv' |
| 03:40.06 | shogunx | nv = free software |
| 03:40.12 | Azar | hares:/home/tyhon# lsmod grep | nv |
| 03:40.14 | Azar | bash: nv: command not found |
| 03:40.18 | cheal | shogunx: or rather, open source |
| 03:40.26 | deyan | lsmod | grep nv |
| 03:40.35 | deyan | :) |
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| 03:41.01 | Azar | nvidia_agp 7260 0 |
| 03:41.02 | Azar | agpgart 31496 3 nvidia_agp,amd_k7_agp,via_agp |
| 03:41.12 | shogunx | cheal, lets not play stallman vs perens:) |
| 03:41.13 | Azar | thanks deyan |
| 03:41.43 | cheal | shogunx: I'm serious. nv's source is obfuscated by NVIDIA |
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| 03:42.08 | shogunx | cheal i agree. you can find it in /tmp, if you do so WHILE running the installer. |
| 03:42.16 | cheal | shogunx: BTW, Bruce Perens? don't you mean ESR? |
| 03:42.20 | shogunx | cheal ist also licenced wrong. |
| 03:42.26 | Azar | shogunx: did you see stallman picketing against ATI ? |
| 03:42.28 | copyclose | i think something is wrong, my machine is running slow as hell |
| 03:42.38 | shogunx | Azar got a link? |
| 03:42.41 | copyclose | reading database took 4 mins |
| 03:42.42 | Azar | sure holdon |
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| 03:42.48 | stoned | Azar, i2c |
| 03:42.48 | copyclose | i wasn't like this |
| 03:42.55 | stoned | Azar, modprobe nvidia? |
| 03:42.57 | cheal | shogunx: I don't know much about nv, but I'm not aware of an installer for it |
| 03:43.04 | gerardomt | Hi |
| 03:43.11 | shogunx | cheal talking about nvidia's drivers. |
| 03:43.12 | stoned | Azar, is the module compiled with the same version of gcc as the kernel? |
| 03:43.24 | Azar | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html |
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| 03:43.44 | cheal | shogunx: ah. I'm talking about nv. nv is in Debian, but it's not Free Software |
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| 03:43.59 | gerardomt | I downloaded the latest version of Firefox, but is a .tar.gz and I dont k now how to install it, im usin Ubuntu |
| 03:44.05 | shogunx | cheal Perens took up the flag for ESR at the WSIS in tunis. |
| 03:44.15 | RiverRat | mbishop: So this is where you've been hiding? |
| 03:44.19 | Azar | stoned: this was a Woody box, now is used for me for testing , I upgarded to Etch with a new 2.6.15 kernel, the nvidia was installed/configured with the one-liner since it was a Woody box |
| 03:44.32 | Azar | new gcc now : gcc4 |
| 03:44.47 | Pegger | has anyone set up radius before? |
| 03:45.00 | Azar | and yes I reconfigured the xserver after upgrades |
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| 03:45.17 | copyclose | stoned: ok nvidia splash just shows up |
| 03:45.24 | stoned | copyclose, you're good to go |
| 03:45.28 | cheal | shogunx: ah. funny to think that an ex-DPL would oppose "Free Software", but anyway, I'll just believe you as it's a bit offtopic |
| 03:45.28 | Azar | shogunx: funny stuff they tried to arrest him for nothing there :) |
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| 03:45.41 | copyclose | stoned: how come its running hella slow? |
| 03:45.46 | cheal | gerardomt: wrong channel. /topic |
| 03:45.51 | cheal | doh |
| 03:46.12 | copyclose | its been 2 mins now and desktop aint even started yet |
| 03:46.20 | copyclose | and the login screen |
| 03:46.22 | copyclose | wtf? |
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| 03:46.31 | stoned | copyclose, if you want to disable that you can try `` Option "NoLogo" "1" ``in the XF86Config-4 file |
| 03:46.41 | stoned | copyclose, what? |
| 03:46.50 | Azar | gnome/kde is bloated, copyclose |
| 03:46.55 | copyclose | i don't care about the logo |
| 03:47.01 | copyclose | what you mean? |
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| 03:47.27 | copyclose | i don't think its gnome |
| 03:47.32 | Azar | copyclose: don't mind me sorry, I was thinking out loud |
| 03:47.58 | stoned | copyclose, you started X, you saw splash screen of Nvidia, now whats goin going on? |
| 03:48.08 | copyclose | its still loading |
| 03:48.12 | copyclose | its been 4 mins now |
| 03:48.17 | copyclose | and its not done loading et |
| 03:48.19 | copyclose | yet* |
| 03:48.23 | copyclose | damn |
| 03:48.24 | Azar | loading what? |
| 03:48.24 | stoned | how old is the damn thing? |
| 03:48.36 | copyclose | its not like this back in 386 |
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| 03:48.56 | Azar | you mean you installed the wrong kernel architecture? |
| 03:49.01 | copyclose | no |
| 03:49.16 | stoned | mhall, :) |
| 03:49.21 | Azar | you did something wrong though, copyclose otherwise would work |
| 03:49.21 | mhall | stoned: 'lo |
| 03:49.24 | copyclose | what yall think |
| 03:49.25 | stoned | sup |
| 03:49.27 | Azar | mhall :) |
| 03:49.33 | copyclose | the kernel is running |
| 03:49.35 | copyclose | its just slow |
| 03:49.42 | mhall | wow all my buddies are poppin up like whack-a-mole |
| 03:49.49 | Azar | copyclose: I guess you installed the wrong kernel arch |
| 03:49.53 | mhall | stoned Azar bloody sunday treatin you dude alright? |
| 03:50.01 | mhall | dudes* |
| 03:50.03 | shogunx | cheal the nv in x.org is not gpl'd? |
| 03:50.04 | Azar | :) beer for mhall |
| 03:50.11 | copyclose | what you mean Azar? |
| 03:50.12 | stoned | im trying to get high |
| 03:50.13 | mhall | Azar: hehe good idea |
| 03:50.14 | stoned | but its not working |
| 03:50.18 | stoned | I don't know why |
| 03:50.37 | Azar | copyclose: if you installed for another Intel architecture it gonna not work ok |
| 03:50.41 | mhall | stoned: cheap batch o' weed? |
| 03:50.42 | mbishop | RiverRat: indeed |
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| 03:50.55 | shogunx | stoned you need a bigger bong. |
| 03:50.58 | copyclose | i installed kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 03:51.03 | stoned | mhall, no, I've hit my peak |
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| 03:51.11 | stoned | no matter how much I smoke, I just can't get any higher |
| 03:51.32 | RiverRat | mbishop: Well at least we know you didn't fall off the Earth somewhere. :) |
| 03:51.34 | copyclose | damn man :( |
| 03:51.37 | copyclose | its so damn slow |
| 03:51.41 | Azar | copyclose: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386? or kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686? |
| 03:51.44 | mhall | stoned: aww that sux |
| 03:51.56 | copyclose | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:52.08 | shogunx | stoned go for the nasal shotgun;) |
| 03:52.09 | Azar | copyclose: and are you sure 686 is for your cpu? |
| 03:52.12 | mhall | Azar: *clink* have some stella artois |
| 03:52.13 | stoned | I got an extra side order of rice/beans and tacos earlier |
| 03:52.21 | stoned | shogunx, not with this bowl you can't |
| 03:52.22 | RiverRat | mbishop: And it is more laid back, stoned's comment would have gotten doc's attention. :p |
| 03:52.24 | Azar | :) hahaha mhall |
| 03:52.26 | cheal | shogunx: it should be (or some free license), but I heard it's source is still obfuscated |
| 03:52.27 | copyclose | i don't know |
| 03:52.28 | mhall | stoned: maybe next time make brownies? |
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| 03:52.42 | Azar | copyclose: see? that's when you should have come to ask |
| 03:52.47 | mhall | Azar: you had stella yet? mighty good |
| 03:52.58 | copyclose | should i fucking use 386 then? |
| 03:52.59 | Azar | mhall yes :) |
| 03:53.06 | shogunx | cheal using nv here and no nonfree on my system. |
| 03:53.13 | Azar | copyclose: I do not know, what is your cpu specs? |
| 03:53.29 | copyclose | 800mhz celeron, 160mb ram |
| 03:53.30 | cheal | shogunx: right. it is considered *free* |
| 03:53.49 | shogunx | cheal hold on, let me check the source tree. |
| 03:53.52 | Azar | copyclose: damn, Intel P2? P3? P4? |
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| 03:54.05 | copyclose | its celeron |
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| 03:54.11 | Azar | copyclose: not good enough |
| 03:54.12 | cheal | shogunx: hehe, if you feel like it :) |
| 03:54.16 | copyclose | should be p3 |
| 03:54.25 | Azar | copyclose: open the box and look |
| 03:54.33 | copyclose | hell no |
| 03:54.35 | copyclose | its p3 |
| 03:54.38 | Azar | :) damn |
| 03:54.42 | Azar | I can't help you |
| 03:54.52 | copyclose | its p3 |
| 03:55.03 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 03:55.06 | Azar | every PC owner should know exactly the hardware the PC runs |
| 03:55.10 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:55.17 | copyclose | my CPU load is at 100% |
| 03:55.23 | Lunarctic | hey, anyone know where I could find a sample control file for making deb packages? |
| 03:55.24 | copyclose | and i aint even running anything |
| 03:55.29 | Azar | copyclose: because you installed a wrong kernel |
| 03:55.47 | copyclose | stoned: what do i need to roll this back? |
| 03:55.57 | Azar | copyclose: write down all your hardware specs, then reinstall sarge with a linux26 option |
| 03:55.59 | copyclose | stoned: im bout to use 2.6 386 |
| 03:56.07 | copyclose | reinstall? |
| 03:56.09 | copyclose | hell fucking no |
| 03:56.11 | copyclose | LOL |
| 03:56.16 | Azar | chicken |
| 03:56.19 | stoned | I am running a 32mb nvidia card on a 866mhz 512 ram running kde 3.5.2 and ftp/apache/dns/proxy/sql/php/mp3server irc/tons of desktop apps, and I am doing perfectly fucking find and dandy |
| 03:56.23 | Azar | I reinstalled 57 times |
| 03:56.49 | copyclose | my cpu is at 100%, im running htop |
| 03:57.07 | mhall | stoned: you're also stoned so maybe you won't notice if it's a bit pokey ;) |
| 03:57.09 | copyclose | stoned: what should i do to roll this back |
| 03:57.09 | stoned | copyclose, if nothing after nvidia logo showed up then you have to reconfigure your display modes probbly |
| 03:57.20 | Azar | copyclose: yea we gonna bang a burrial party for your box |
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| 03:57.38 | mhall | there's like one real easy way to disable the nvidia driver if it messes up |
| 03:57.51 | copyclose | ? |
| 03:57.52 | shogunx | cheal looks like its relatively gpl compatible. |
| 03:57.53 | Azar | mhall he installed the wrong kernel |
| 03:57.57 | copyclose | hell no |
| 03:58.04 | copyclose | i didn't install anything wrong |
| 03:58.05 | copyclose | dumbfuck |
| 03:58.08 | copyclose | lol |
| 03:58.08 | stoned | copyclose, you can simply edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change nvidia to nv in decice driver section |
| 03:58.10 | Azar | haha |
| 03:58.21 | mhall | Azar: this mofo is over the top my man |
| 03:58.28 | Azar | haha |
| 03:58.32 | copyclose | what about the nvidia kernel? |
| 03:58.33 | cheal | shogunx: it's not a question of license. it's open source. I'm just saying that I heard the source is obfuscated |
| 03:58.34 | Azar | stoned so it is nv in a final |
| 03:58.43 | mhall | stoned: yeah good call, was about to type it but had to kill the line to chat with Azar |
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| 03:58.55 | shogunx | cheal apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 03:58.57 | stoned | Azar, no |
| 03:59.13 | Azar | stoned: I am crushed you do not believe me |
| 03:59.19 | mhall | stoned: what can i say? if i have to pick between talking to a friend and a nutty guy i'll pick my friend first and make the nutty guy wait |
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| 03:59.33 | Azar | :) |
| 03:59.38 | cheal | shogunx: ah, didn't realize it would now be so easy to check...but anyway, I don't really feel like checking that ATM |
| 03:59.41 | stoned | Azar, I will show you, hold the fuck up |
| 03:59.46 | Azar | ok cig break |
| 03:59.57 | shogunx | cheal oh, not necessary. just letting you know. |
| 04:00.06 | cheal | shogunx: what do you want me to check anyway? you think it's not obfuscated? |
| 04:00.23 | shogunx | cheal looks like everything necessary is right there. |
| 04:00.56 | stoned | Azar, http://bungs.dontexist.com/nv.jpg |
| 04:01.02 | stoned | there |
| 04:01.15 | stoned | I am telling if you if done properly, dpkg shows fucking 'nvidia' |
| 04:01.16 | cheal | shogunx: well, it may not yell at you *this source is obfuscated*, so you may not realize it at first glance...but I heard it is |
| 04:01.18 | stoned | I am not making this up |
| 04:01.18 | stoned | really |
| 04:01.21 | stoned | trust me |
| 04:01.54 | copyclose | let me try and use 386 |
| 04:02.21 | cheal | stoned: please watch your language |
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| 04:02.50 | stoned | cheal, you'd have to tell 745 people that |
| 04:03.02 | shogunx | cheal is there a different definition for obfuscated that i am missing? means hidden, right? |
| 04:03.11 | deyan | Hello, all. If use postfix as MTA, which should I use for IMAP/POP? cyrus or courier? |
| 04:03.42 | copyclose | ok |
| 04:03.56 | Azar | stoned xorg? |
| 04:04.02 | stoned | yes |
| 04:04.04 | Azar | I use xfree86 |
| 04:04.09 | stoned | sid, updated dist today |
| 04:04.16 | stoned | Azar, same thing in sarge |
| 04:04.21 | Azar | well, bows to you |
| 04:04.22 | stoned | xfree* |
| 04:04.33 | stoned | its not hard, its actually quite trivial |
| 04:04.44 | stoned | well, based on ones understanding |
| 04:04.50 | copyclose | what is this: "Your session only lasted less then 10 seconds. If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may out of diskspace." |
| 04:04.58 | cheal | shogunx: not necessarily. "echo -n n;echo v" would be an example of trivial obfuscation of "echo nv" |
| 04:04.59 | stoned | instead of blindly using the oneliner, try to understand what it does |
| 04:05.25 | cheal | shogunx: nothing is hidden. it's just made harder to understand and modify |
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| 04:05.57 | copyclose | anyone? |
| 04:06.16 | copyclose | it pops up right after i entered my username and password |
| 04:06.30 | shogunx | cheal. fair enough. just as my personal website is obfuscated from windows users by a agent string redirect. gotcha. |
| 04:07.20 | Azar | stoned, this box history: Woody kernel 2.4.18 > up Sarge > up kernel2.6.8 x-windows nvidia one-liner > up Etch up kernel 2.6.15 dpkg-reconfigure xfree87 |
| 04:07.27 | gpm | hey people. i am experiencing bug #365282. i see a patch attached, but i have no clue about where to apply it. i did find / -name xserver-xorg.config.in and came up with nothing...since the package is uninstallable, is there any way for me to use this patch and make it installable? |
| 04:07.39 | copyclose | stoned? |
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| 04:08.25 | epsilon | a question to GPL: if I offer software I have written in GPL, must it contain the source code? or can closed source distributed as GPL, too? |
| 04:08.45 | cheal | epsilon: #gnu |
| 04:08.51 | biffhero_ | Why wouldn't /etc/init.d/Sxxnetworking be created by the system when it is first installed? |
| 04:08.54 | Azar | stoned: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2461 |
| 04:08.55 | gpm | epsilon: i'm pretty sure you need to give the source code |
| 04:09.14 | biffhero_ | and what is the proper way to enable it? I can make the symlinks fine, but I want to do it the debian way. |
| 04:09.29 | mhall | epsilon: you can technically distribute it however you want but by not providing source you make it inconsistent with its own license so nobody else can use it but you |
| 04:09.42 | cheal | biffhero_: why would it be created? |
| 04:09.49 | biffhero_ | because I have an ethernet card? |
| 04:09.51 | copyclose | what is this: "Your session only lasted less then 10 seconds. If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may out of diskspace." |
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| 04:09.52 | copyclose | it pops up right after i entered my username and password |
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| 04:10.07 | voltagex | is there any way to run a script when a USB drive is plugged in? |
| 04:10.09 | Azar | so my take is that I use an old version of xfree86 |
| 04:10.27 | epsilon | ok |
| 04:10.28 | cheal | biffhero_: that does not sound like a good reason to create an init script with such a name |
| 04:10.41 | biffhero_ | cheal: I haven't had any problems with any other debian install not creating those automatically, been using debian for years. thought it odd that I would have to make the symlinks by hand. |
| 04:10.55 | voltagex | like tar -cf ~/usb_`date`.tar when a usb drive is plugged in |
| 04:11.04 | mhall | epsilon: you probably really want http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php |
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| 04:11.19 | evilgeek | biffhero_: what would this thing do? |
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| 04:11.27 | cheal | biffhero_: you look confused between rc?.d and init.d |
| 04:11.46 | biffhero_ | cheal: it already exists in rcS.d/S40, maybe something is going wrong there. |
| 04:12.24 | phu | need help on dual head with ATI card |
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| 04:15.38 | unix_infidel | if defined ap's (eg home and school and work) not available on scan, then associate with the ap that has the highest signal ( from parse of iwlist [interface] scan) and has no encryption? |
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| 04:15.46 | unix_infidel | i'm trying to get a script working like that. |
| 04:15.57 | unix_infidel | does anyone know of anything similar thats already been done? |
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| 04:17.53 | benderz0r | any news on when xserver-xorg will be fixed? I need an xserver asap |
| 04:18.03 | evilgeek | use the one in testing. |
| 04:18.12 | benderz0r | ah, good idea :) |
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| 04:21.10 | tkup | is there an option in grub that lets me specify which system.map file I want to use for a specific image? I just read info grub and can't find it there. I could swear I had seen it somewhere :( |
| 04:22.13 | copyclose | Azar: booting 386 now |
| 04:22.16 | copyclose | let see |
| 04:23.26 | benderz0r | the xserver-xorg package in testing is also broken |
| 04:24.31 | benderz0r | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.15_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 04:24.34 | benderz0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.36 | Gnea | benderz0r: check the bts |
| 04:24.38 | Gnea | !bts |
| 04:24.38 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 04:24.45 | benderz0r | kk |
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| 04:26.37 | benderz0r | thanks Gnea |
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| 04:27.53 | unix_infidel | anyone know of a wireless script that does the following: if defined ap's (eg home and school and work) not available on scan, then associate with the ap that has the highest signal ( from parse of iwlist [interface] scan) and has no encryption? |
| 04:29.05 | Azar | damn I didn't know about the "yes" command! |
| 04:29.06 | jnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.18 | jnc | Azar: there's also the no command |
| 04:29.21 | unix_infidel | jnc: network-manager? |
| 04:29.30 | Azar | what for is that I drove my cpu crazy with it! |
| 04:29.46 | Azar | jnc ok what "no" does? |
| 04:29.49 | Azar | :) |
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| 04:31.29 | unix_infidel | :( anyone for my dynamic association script? |
| 04:31.39 | krnl`- | re |
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| 04:32.27 | Azar | no manual for the "no" command |
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| 04:33.56 | Nopalin | anyone use gaim? |
| 04:33.59 | Nopalin | i have a trouble |
| 04:34.01 | gpm | benderz0r: i just installed an older version of xserver-xorg from snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:34.05 | gpm | Nopalin: for irc? |
| 04:34.23 | gpm | Nopalin: i use gaim for aim |
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| 04:34.31 | Nopalin | i received gaim meesages like follows: first text then nick.... how i can invert that? |
| 04:34.38 | benderz0r | thanks Gpm, the patch is to hard to use |
| 04:34.42 | Nopalin | gpm i use gaim for all |
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| 04:35.00 | gpm | benderz0r: yeah, i couldn't figure out how to use it either :P |
| 04:35.13 | gpm | Nopalin: i've never had that problem before sorry |
| 04:35.14 | benderz0r | hehe |
| 04:35.30 | stoned | Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson. May the force be with you! |
| 04:35.30 | Nopalin | :s hmm very weird |
| 04:36.00 | gpm | o/o |
| 04:36.07 | copyclose | stoned: the 386 one acts the same as 686 |
| 04:36.09 | copyclose | :( |
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| 04:37.43 | minerale | in windows I can type <alt> 138 and get an accented e... how can I do that in debian/linux/x-server/gnome (I have no idea who handles the keyboard input)? |
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| 04:40.31 | grendal_prime | what the hell is that package that adobe reader needs for fonts? |
| 04:40.47 | grendal_prime | accroread is giving me a migrain. |
| 04:41.03 | cheal | grendal_prime: try asking Adobe |
| 04:41.10 | grendal_prime | i cant send the data to print out to kprinter -stdin... |
| 04:41.26 | grendal_prime | kprinter --stdin... |
| 04:41.34 | epsilon | èéêëÈÉÊË |
| 04:42.04 | grendal_prime | ya, i just thought there was a package for it..someone pointed it out to me some time back but i cant think of what it is now |
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| 04:44.49 | mhall | grendal_prime: msttcorefonts |
| 04:47.02 | cheal | minerale: with GTK, you can use Ctrl+Shift+unicode. I have unfortunately no clue about a Qt equivalent |
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| 04:49.12 | Kyley | hey if I do `command > /dev/null 2>/dev/stdout` I'd get the error right? |
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| 04:50.27 | copyclose | how come my /swp is at 0%? |
| 04:50.46 | mhall | Kyley: not sure what your goal is here but you have a couple of picks |
| 04:51.06 | mhall | Kyley: what is your goal, first of all, then i'll try to point you to the right operator to do it |
| 04:51.12 | cheal | copyclose: what's /swp? |
| 04:51.12 | myboxen | im having a bit of trouble mounting my cdrom |
| 04:51.24 | grendal_prime | mhall, thanks ya that should do it, its the aria font, the idiots imbeded it so it causes all sorts of grief bitches about not formatting properly and what not. something to do with intuit so i want the frigging thing to just work with no errors |
| 04:51.24 | mhall | !tell myboxen about sicco |
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| 04:51.30 | Kyley | basically I want to run a command on a bunch of files, and if it errors, print the name of the file and then the error |
| 04:51.38 | mhall | grendal_prime: strange |
| 04:51.45 | myboxen | its in fstab as /dev/scd0, however when I try to mount it it says the device doesn't exist |
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| 04:52.02 | mhall | Kyley: and the command is noisy, so you only want the errors right? |
| 04:52.09 | Kyley | yea |
| 04:52.33 | grendal_prime | well, they are idiots, so it doesnt suprise me |
| 04:52.48 | myboxen | there are also no scd* devices in /dev |
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| 04:53.43 | grendal_prime | heheh that installer is cool, uses cab extract app |
| 04:53.54 | grendal_prime | pretty kick ass little hack there |
| 04:55.52 | mhall | Kyley: looks like 1>&- is what you need to close stdout |
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| 04:57.00 | mhall | Kyley: another choice |
| 04:57.05 | mhall | Kyley: 1>/dev/null |
| 04:57.15 | mhall | Kyley: to get bash to throw out the stdout stuff |
| 04:57.55 | mhall | Kyley: i suspect if it works the first one will be faster because it will not introduce overhead of unused write() call output onto null device |
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| 04:58.23 | mhall | Kyley: which might make a performance issue if the command is noisy like you said |
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| 05:00.26 | mhall | grendal_prime: can you strip the fonts out with the acrobat pdf optimizer |
| 05:00.36 | mhall | grendal_prime: because that will help if you have it available |
| 05:00.55 | mhall | grendal_prime: you can also render it into postscript and back |
| 05:01.03 | mhall | grendal_prime: postscript has no fonts |
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| 05:01.19 | Kyley | aight I'll start trying those |
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| 05:02.21 | estupendocero | question: Is syntax for the windows HOSTS file compatible with linux? |
| 05:02.22 | mhall | Kyley: please report back, i'll enjoy caching the results in my brain for reuse later |
| 05:02.47 | mhall | Kyley: i'm pretty sure i 1>'ed to null before but never tried 1>&- though |
| 05:02.57 | Kyley | well using 1>&- tells me my redirection of 2 is bunk |
| 05:03.25 | mhall | Kyley: interesting |
| 05:03.55 | Kyley | -bash: /dev/stdout: No such file or directory |
| 05:04.02 | mhall | Kyley: one sec there |
| 05:04.32 | mhall | Kyley: that's not one of the recognized virtual devices |
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| 05:04.55 | estupendocero | Nobody knows off the top of their head whether MSWindows' host file is compatible with /etc/hosts? |
| 05:04.59 | mhall | Kyley: hmm nevermind, it actually is |
| 05:05.06 | mhall | Kyley: i wonder why they don't like it |
| 05:05.23 | Kyley | its probably because I closed it |
| 05:05.39 | mhall | Kyley: ah ok |
| 05:05.43 | copyclose | looks like 2.6 is not recognizing my swap |
| 05:06.09 | mhall | Kyley: i'm gonna test with a quick C app |
| 05:06.14 | myboxen | mhall: did I provide enough info? |
| 05:06.17 | Pegger | swapon |
| 05:06.21 | myboxen | I noticed your sicco |
| 05:06.25 | Pegger | copyclose, swapon |
| 05:06.31 | krnl`- | i'm newbie at iptables. how can i deny all transver via all ports, except for localhost (127.0.0.1), and than allow everything for port 80, and from 1 ip to port 22? |
| 05:06.39 | Pegger | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.01 | copyclose | !swapon |
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| 05:07.14 | copyclose | Pegger? |
| 05:07.15 | copyclose | what is it? |
| 05:07.16 | copyclose | i thought it was a package |
| 05:07.19 | bucky | !waxoff |
| 05:08.22 | mhall | myboxen: yeah i am thinking it over |
| 05:08.44 | codebreaker | good day. installed vserver also patched the kernel etc... al in sarge. runed newvserver .... now when executing vserver voip3 start i only get "WARNING: can not find configuration, assuming legacy method No directory for this vserver: /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/voip3. the directory voip3 does not exist. but /vservers/voip3 exists and i can chroot into it |
| 05:08.58 | mhall | Kyley: alright i got here an app which outputs foo to stdout and bar to stderr |
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| 05:09.38 | myboxen | mhall: thank you |
| 05:09.50 | mhall | Kyley: using output=$( ./test ); echo $output gets foo |
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| 05:10.19 | mhall | Kyley: using output=$(./test 1>/dev/null) gets nothing |
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| 05:11.03 | yetistomps | I am trying to synchronize my gnome clock with the internet servers but it tells me that ntp is not installed. I did an apt-get insttall ntp and it got the files necessary. How do I start the service? i cna't find it in /etc/init.d/ntp? |
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| 05:13.24 | mhall | Kyley: got it |
| 05:13.28 | mhall | Kyley: output=$(./test 2>&1 1>/dev/null) |
| 05:13.34 | mhall | Kyley: echo $output |
| 05:13.39 | mhall | Kyley: got me 'bar' |
| 05:14.41 | mhall | !+ntp |
| 05:14.42 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 05:14.59 | mhall | yetistomps: let's see... |
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| 05:15.09 | mhall | yetistomps: there is a daemon you can get which takes care of it |
| 05:15.13 | mhall | !+simple ntp |
| 05:15.26 | Kyley | ooo shiney |
| 05:15.40 | copyclose | how come my Cpu is at 100% and my swap is 0%, it happens when i upgraded my kernel to 2.6 |
| 05:15.40 | copyclose | i ran htop |
| 05:15.40 | copyclose | and its running slow as hell |
| 05:15.46 | yetistomps | mhall, !+simple ntp ? |
| 05:15.51 | Kyley | mhall: is that bash-able or do I need ksh or something else? |
| 05:16.11 | mhall | Kyley: $() is the replacement for `` |
| 05:16.16 | mhall | Kyley: here's why |
| 05:16.18 | Kyley | ah, ok |
| 05:16.39 | mhall | Kyley: The backquote (`) is used in the old-style command substitution, e.g. foo=`command`. This syntax is deprecated in favor of foo=$(command). Backslash handling inside $() is less surprising, and $() is easier to nest. |
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| 05:17.07 | mhall | Kyley: most of the shell operators are in POSIX so they play nice |
| 05:17.10 | yetistomps | !simple ntp |
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| 05:17.22 | mhall | yetistomps: it used to be a bot fact |
| 05:17.29 | yetistomps | oh |
| 05:17.38 | mhall | yetistomps: the package you need, it's called ntp-simple |
| 05:18.46 | yetistomps | mhall, checking... |
| 05:18.52 | mhall | yetistomps: "This version of the ntp daemon can synchronize to other servers across the Internet, or (if none are available) use your computer's built-in clock as a time source for a local network. It is sufficient for most systems. |
| 05:19.01 | copyclose | anyone? |
| 05:19.04 | copyclose | how come my Cpu is at 100% and my swap is 0%, it happens when i upgraded my kernel to 2.6 |
| 05:19.07 | copyclose | i ran htop |
| 05:19.09 | copyclose | and its running slow as hell |
| 05:19.27 | mhall | copyclose: k what's eating the CPU in there |
| 05:19.33 | copyclose | i don't know |
| 05:19.38 | mhall | copyclose: and what kind of kernel did you use |
| 05:19.56 | mhall | copyclose: htop ranks the processes by CPU use, there wasn't one at the top of the list all the time eating CPU? |
| 05:20.03 | copyclose | kernel-image-2.6.8-386 |
| 05:20.11 | copyclose | kacpid is eating 97% |
| 05:20.20 | yetistomps | mhall, one last request. I want to configure apt so that it scans my Debian CD for package lists. I have TWO DVD's full of stuff.. u know the command or manually edit thet /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 05:20.23 | mhall | copyclose: alright, then your acpi is messed up somehow |
| 05:20.47 | mhall | copyclose: can you get output of dmesg and pastebin it |
| 05:20.59 | mhall | yetistomps: k there is the apt-cdrom command |
| 05:21.19 | mhall | yetistomps: this should scan them for you and take care of it; it's been a while so if you'd check the manpage it'd be good |
| 05:21.27 | mhall | yetistomps: cause i can't remember everything about the command |
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| 05:21.57 | yetistomps | mhall, thanks :-) |
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| 05:22.28 | mhall | yetistomps: sure |
| 05:23.54 | copyclose | mhall: http://pa.labok.be:31337/pics/dmesg.txt |
| 05:24.22 | mhall | copyclose: nice port |
| 05:24.57 | pinky_ | Hi, I'm a bit confused as to how the Debian-Installer options work with etch (testing)... so there's the beta2 option which is static, and then the daily builds that are somewhere in between beta2 and beta3? |
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| 05:25.19 | cheal | pinky_: yes |
| 05:25.20 | yetistomps | mhall, man... this is by far the best distro. I've tried: gentoo, slackware, redhat, ubuntu, fedora and I settled on debian. Straight forward and apt-get everything. |
| 05:25.32 | mhall | copyclose: hmm that's real weird, you have got some kind of crazy ACPI setup |
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| 05:25.38 | mhall | copyclose: let's try something, hold on |
| 05:25.41 | copyclose | k |
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| 05:26.07 | copyclose | mhall: what you mean nice port? |
| 05:26.11 | mhall | copyclose: desktop or laptop |
| 05:26.13 | mhall | copyclose: 31337 |
| 05:26.22 | yetistomps | ftp.us.debian.org is sooo slooow. Changed it to : debian.lcs.mit.edu approx download about 800 kb/s |
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| 05:26.31 | copyclose | or |
| 05:26.32 | copyclose | oh* |
| 05:26.34 | copyclose | hehe |
| 05:27.06 | copyclose | what do you think is the problem? |
| 05:27.11 | mhall | yetistomps: mirrors2.kernel.org --> *megabytes* per sec |
| 05:27.27 | mhall | copyclose: is it a desktop or laptop? i think either your acpi or kernel acpi is broken |
| 05:27.27 | yetistomps | mhall, hey! no fair :-) |
| 05:27.52 | copyclose | its a desktop |
| 05:28.36 | mhall | copyclose: alright let's disable the bitch and see what we get |
| 05:28.38 | copyclose | i never had this problem before, its just started acting up after i apt-get'd kernel-image-2.6.8-386 |
| 05:28.42 | copyclose | and booted off it |
| 05:28.44 | pinky_ | cheal: So there's a new netinst image every day for this intermittent phase, as well as new CD and DVD images weekly or so. Does this mean these versions have newer packages than etch beta2 (ie KDE 3.5.2 or OpenOffice.org 2.0.2) as WELL as updating the Debian-installer? |
| 05:28.49 | copyclose | what bitch |
| 05:28.50 | copyclose | ? |
| 05:28.58 | mhall | copyclose: first choice is booting kernel with acpi=ogg |
| 05:29.00 | mhall | copyclose: first choice is booting kernel with acpi=off |
| 05:29.09 | pinky_ | Or is it just the Debian-Installer that changes in between etch beta2 and the daily netinst or weekly CD image builds? |
| 05:29.12 | mhall | copyclose: acpi, we'll disable it and see if the problem goes away |
| 05:29.26 | bengrubb | hey, if i have a file in /x firectory how do i transfer it to /y directory ? in ssh |
| 05:29.33 | bengrubb | d* |
| 05:29.34 | copyclose | how do i do that? |
| 05:29.42 | mhall | pinky_: for these install images, they are not full images of debian; full cds are generated weekly with latest packages |
| 05:29.46 | mhall | copyclose: grub or lilo |
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| 05:30.13 | copyclose | grub |
| 05:30.26 | mhall | pinky_: the mini-images get rebuilt daily but they only download the packages off the mirror you pick |
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| 05:31.07 | bengrubb | if cp is the copy command what is the paste command? |
| 05:31.07 | mhall | copyclose: alright so for that, you can edit the command line on boot by pressing some key it says you may press |
| 05:31.07 | cheal | pinky_: right |
| 05:31.07 | mhall | bengrubb: lol you mean to move stuff from one spot to another |
| 05:31.07 | yetistomps | mhall, mirrors2.kernel.org <--nonfree pkgs too? and everything else that ftp.debian.us.org has? |
| 05:31.20 | Seb | mhall: *that* was funny :) |
| 05:31.28 | bengrubb | mhall: yes |
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| 05:31.38 | mhall | bengrubb: mv |
| 05:31.45 | pinky_ | mhall: Yes but it says the full DVDs and CDs are rebuilt weekly... does that mean there are new application packages in those as WELL as the updates to Debian-Installer? |
| 05:31.46 | bengrubb | so movd |
| 05:31.48 | bengrubb | move |
| 05:31.51 | SFGSDFG | hi |
| 05:31.55 | SFGSDFG | every one |
| 05:31.56 | Seb | bengrubb: mv |
| 05:31.57 | mhall | yetistomps: ftp.us.debian.org, it points at lots of different ones to share the wealth |
| 05:32.04 | mhall | Seb: yes it _was_ =) |
| 05:32.08 | pinky_ | And is there a name for this intermittent phase that's in between etch beta2 and moving towards beta3? |
| 05:32.09 | mhall | yetistomps: one of them is mirrors2 |
| 05:32.10 | Seb | heh |
| 05:32.25 | copyclose | ok |
| 05:32.30 | mhall | pinky_: there is #debian-boot channel where these specific developers socialize |
| 05:32.32 | copyclose | what should i do after that? |
| 05:32.36 | bengrubb | so "mv file.extension /var/akal/akaj |
| 05:32.37 | bengrubb | " |
| 05:32.46 | simonrvn | !extension |
| 05:32.49 | simonrvn | !extensions |
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| 05:32.59 | copyclose | what is kacpid anyway, mhall? |
| 05:33.00 | pinky_ | mhall: Okay, I was just wondering if there was a name for that subsection of etch |
| 05:33.00 | simonrvn | wtf is that factoid.. |
| 05:33.03 | Seb | dpkg come in |
| 05:33.06 | mhall | copyclose: alright so you boot with that option, acpi-off |
| 05:33.10 | Seb | he dead :) |
| 05:33.25 | mhall | copyclose: kacpid is one part of the kernel which manages some acpi requests |
| 05:33.26 | Seb | mhall: acpi=off iirc |
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| 05:33.34 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 05:33.34 | mhall | copyclose: it's like a virtual process inside the kernel |
| 05:33.36 | dpkg | hmm... bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 05:33.37 | mhall | Seb: correct |
| 05:33.45 | mhall | copyclose: sorry typo, it is acpi=off |
| 05:33.45 | simonrvn | bah |
| 05:33.52 | mhall | !punish mhall |
| 05:34.00 | Seb | nasty |
| 05:34.05 | shogunx | heh |
| 05:34.06 | mhall | Seb: so was my error |
| 05:34.07 | copyclose | k |
| 05:34.12 | yetistomps | mhall, thanks. changing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:34.13 | Seb | heh |
| 05:34.18 | SFGSDFG | I have problem with configuring my wireless card can any one help me |
| 05:34.19 | simonrvn | it's a kernel thread. they're spawned by the kernel itself for various tasks |
| 05:34.22 | mhall | copyclose: if it works we can figure out how to add it to the conf file |
| 05:34.24 | bengrubb | thats quite harsh dpkg |
| 05:34.28 | copyclose | so just add "acpi=off" to grub then boot? |
| 05:34.42 | mhall | copyclose: yeah onto the end of the boot command line. i think it's 'e' key |
| 05:34.48 | Seb | it is |
| 05:34.56 | mhall | copyclose: or you can add it in the conf file but i do not know how |
| 05:35.21 | Seb | heh |
| 05:35.38 | copyclose | then boot ? |
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| 05:36.09 | shogunx | SFGSDFG what does iwconfig say? |
| 05:36.24 | mhall | copyclose: right, and see if it works right this time |
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| 05:36.54 | mhall | shogunx: it says SFGSDFG is an impatient whiny wanker |
| 05:36.54 | trakinas | hi tere! |
| 05:37.21 | shogunx | mhall it appears so. thank you for playing SFGSDFG. |
| 05:37.31 | mhall | shogunx: :D |
| 05:37.39 | mhall | shogunx: thought you'd enjoy my one-liner |
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| 05:38.16 | gary_ | :) |
| 05:38.25 | mhall | gary_: (: |
| 05:38.38 | shogunx | mhall if more people had a sense of humor, i wouldn't have to slap them around so much. |
| 05:38.51 | mhall | shogunx: ehehehe |
| 05:39.10 | trakinas | i think i've screwed my instalation. so, im though in restart from the ground. installing the stable version (last one) and upgrading it to unstable. but, Id like to know how can i do in a secure way, without screwing things. should I fallow these steps -> aptitude update / update the kernel / then dist-upgrade (or upgrade only?). |
| 05:39.11 | flyingfox | hi all, I receive this message when trying to assess www.debian.org from my office network "403 Forbidden - The ISA Server denies the specified Uniform Resource Locator (URL). (12202) Internet Security and Acceleration Server" Pls advise, thks. |
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| 05:39.58 | shogunx | trakinas you could try the unofficial unstable isos |
| 05:40.22 | trakinas | shogunx: you mean cdd's? |
| 05:40.54 | cliche | well, is there any dvd live-cd? |
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| 05:41.08 | shogunx | flyingfox looks like you need a proxy or so... your work is filtering out access to the site. |
| 05:41.16 | shogunx | trakinas correct |
| 05:41.38 | flyingfox | shogunx> but almost all sites are available except debian |
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| 05:41.53 | shogunx | flyingfox is it a mostly windows network? |
| 05:42.08 | flyingfox | shogunx> yes it is 100% windows network |
| 05:42.25 | trakinas | shogunx: alrigh them! |
| 05:42.30 | cliche | windows network? |
| 05:42.31 | shogunx | flyingfox it sounds like you have a windows weenie version of the Bastard Operator From Hell for an admin. |
| 05:42.36 | flyingfox | shogunx> debian official site posesses no security threat to mycompany network |
| 05:42.36 | trakinas | *then |
| 05:42.56 | mhall | cliche: sure there is |
| 05:43.04 | cliche | where? |
| 05:43.05 | mhall | cliche: knoppix comes this way in its latest version |
| 05:43.18 | shogunx | flyingfox you and i agree on that, but the control freak asswipe who installed that filter is apparently scared of us:) |
| 05:43.18 | cliche | can it boot? |
| 05:43.26 | mhall | cliche: you can get them with bittorrent or the mirrors; yes of course it boots |
| 05:43.35 | cliche | oww, thanks |
| 05:43.38 | trakinas | shogunx: have to go now. thnks. bye |
| 05:43.42 | mhall | cliche: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix |
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| 05:43.57 | cliche | can I make one like that by myself? |
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| 05:44.13 | flyingfox | shogunx> i see, but debian places high importance on security by the way |
| 05:44.29 | mhall | cliche: yes you can. www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?q=knoppix+customization |
| 05:44.33 | flyingfox | shogunx> debian official site is not a cracker site |
| 05:44.54 | cliche | mhall, does it use iso9660 file system on the dvd? |
| 05:45.16 | mhall | cliche: no because if it did you would not be able to store as much |
| 05:45.29 | shogunx | flyingfox its not called a monopoly for nothing. the windows weenies do everything they can to stop the growth of linux. |
| 05:45.33 | mhall | cliche: so they use a basic skeleton ISO layout with this one big mystery file called KNOPPIX |
| 05:45.34 | cliche | mhall, or udf? |
| 05:45.52 | shogunx | flyingfox, lie, cheat, steal, its all in their playbook. |
| 05:46.04 | mhall | cliche: (i think it has to be UDF/ISO because of this file i describe here) KNOPPIX is a compressed FS image |
| 05:46.22 | shogunx | flyingfox, if that were me, i would install debian on as many machines there as i could. |
| 05:46.23 | mhall | cliche: and inside this image they put all the goodies of knoppix. cool thing is it's based on debian. |
| 05:46.26 | cliche | mhall, a big image + udf? |
| 05:46.36 | ootput | muttng is quite nifty |
| 05:46.39 | flyingfox | shogunx> do you think this is a policy by my company or by microsoft as a default feature in their ISA server? |
| 05:46.46 | mhall | cliche: so you can put a copy of it on a hard disk temporarily, and apt-get install new goodies |
| 05:46.52 | ootput | simonrvn: how's the code-rewrite overhaul going? |
| 05:47.09 | mhall | flyingfox: cannot be ISA; i installed default install and latest version is so strict nothing gets accessed until you rebuild the conf files |
| 05:47.11 | cliche | mhall, hehehe... I know what you said... |
| 05:47.13 | simonrvn | ootput: er, remind me? |
| 05:47.17 | ootput | simonrvn: muttng |
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| 05:47.21 | simonrvn | oh, nice |
| 05:47.25 | flyingfox | shogunx> but i can assess ubuntu official site from my office, guess ubuntu is small to avaoid their radar |
| 05:47.32 | shogunx | flyingfox probably the latter. your company is essentially under microsoft's control at the moment, it appears. |
| 05:47.34 | ootput | simonrvn: it's been a while since I last used it, but I seem to rmember the dev team saying that they'd rewrite it |
| 05:47.50 | ootput | simonrvn: apparently they can only hook so much onto it |
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| 05:48.44 | ootput | any of you receive word about metawire's progress (or lack thereof?) |
| 05:48.50 | deadcat | ootput: (= |
| 05:48.50 | simonrvn | ootput: i see. has a lot less bugs =). used to crash when i opened my INBOX when i was in another box, but that was a mutt bug too. |
| 05:49.00 | ootput | deadcat: heh, g'day mate |
| 05:49.03 | shogunx | flyingfox, try this: http://www.the-cloak.com/anonymous-surfing-home.html |
| 05:49.10 | mhall | simonrvn: with so many bugs why do people use mutt so much |
| 05:49.12 | deadcat | ootput: same here. |
| 05:49.13 | ootput | deadcat: I need to find a more stable host |
| 05:49.23 | simonrvn | ootput: i'm not a hard core user (with tweaks and such) so i'm hardly pushing it to the limits. it works for me though. |
| 05:49.28 | deadcat | ootput: one time fee or annual? |
| 05:49.42 | flyingfox | shogunx> thanks |
| 05:49.43 | ootput | deadcat: preferably no fee (= |
| 05:49.45 | shogunx | flyingfox, or any of these: http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=anonymous+web+proxy&btnG=Google+Search |
| 05:49.49 | mhall | flyingfox: can you get around it with FTP |
| 05:49.52 | copyclose | mhall: still having the same problem :( |
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| 05:50.11 | mhall | copyclose: please verify in dmesg that acpi did not load |
| 05:50.14 | deadcat | ootput: hahah. true... freeshell is ok. but if you dont pay. you dont get fancy stuff.. but i think you can do basic stuff with php. but thats about it |
| 05:50.15 | flyingfox | mhall> luckily apt-get still works in my office |
| 05:50.19 | shogunx | mhall does that filter work in http only, or at the dns level for all services. |
| 05:50.28 | simonrvn | one thing that bugs me about mutt in general is not being able to see the mailbox list when editing an e-mail, but i guess you'd have to do some major curses tweaking to get that |
| 05:50.32 | ootput | deadcat: I was on freeshell before switching to metawire |
| 05:50.38 | deadcat | ah |
| 05:50.44 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 05:50.44 | ootput | I don't think they're accepting registration anymore |
| 05:50.45 | ootput | :( |
| 05:50.50 | deadcat | what the. |
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| 05:50.52 | copyclose | hmm |
| 05:50.54 | copyclose | let me see |
| 05:51.02 | mhall | copyclose: also please verify what happens when you also have acpi-off with pci=noacpi |
| 05:51.07 | flyingfox | shogunx> samba works in my office, just that my browser can't assess debian official site |
| 05:51.14 | ootput | simonrvn: you mean the pager? |
| 05:51.22 | yetistomps | mhall, are u comfortable with samba or don't really use it? |
| 05:51.23 | ootput | simonrvn: or the whole list of mb's/maildirs |
| 05:51.24 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:51.24 | mhall | copyclose: also please verify what happens with newer 2.6, say 2.6.14.6 |
| 05:51.29 | simonrvn | either |
| 05:51.31 | mhall | yetistomps: i use it, it's sweet |
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| 05:51.33 | ootput | simonrvn: true |
| 05:51.38 | dreamil|lab | i am encoutering problems while upgrading from sarge to sid |
| 05:51.39 | mhall | yetistomps: do you want sample conf file or what |
| 05:51.45 | dreamil|lab | with xserver-xorg |
| 05:51.52 | yetistomps | mhall, may I ask for u to take a look at this warning in #flood? |
| 05:51.54 | dreamil|lab | is this right place to ask? |
| 05:52.00 | mhall | yetistomps: yeah ok let me join |
| 05:52.27 | ootput | deadcat: oh god, since when did they have a java applet |
| 05:53.15 | cheal | dreamil|lab: more or less. if you don't know Debian, you shouldn't be using unstable, or at least you shouldn't ask for free support with it |
| 05:53.16 | deadcat | ootput: no clue. i dont check the site often. just telnet there and create an account and change the shell. |
| 05:53.21 | flyingfox | shogunx mhall> if ISA isset default to block debian.org site, then can debian make an official complaint? |
| 05:53.33 | mhall | flyingfox: it's not |
| 05:53.36 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 05:53.38 | mhall | flyingfox: i installed it before |
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| 05:53.41 | copyclose | mhall: http://pa.labok.be:31337/pics/dmesg.txt |
| 05:53.45 | copyclose | i think it did |
| 05:53.57 | flyingfox | mhall> ok thks |
| 05:54.05 | mhall | copyclose: Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda2 ro |
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| 05:54.23 | ootput | deadcat: any interesting wm developments on your end? |
| 05:54.28 | copyclose | what's that? |
| 05:54.49 | deadcat | ootput: nope.. still on the same theme.. (= |
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| 05:55.43 | mhall | copyclose: out of your output |
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| 05:55.54 | mhall | copyclose: the kernel never saw the fixed boot option |
| 05:56.11 | mhall | copyclose: so you need to fix grub menu.lst or make sure you typed in right shit at boot prompt |
| 05:56.18 | copyclose | -bash: ro: command not found |
| 05:56.24 | mhall | copyclose: also if you edit at the boot prompt level, that's a one time deal for testing only |
| 05:56.27 | mhall | copyclose: and does not get saved |
| 05:56.28 | copyclose | i just added: acpi=off at the end |
| 05:56.36 | mhall | copyclose: well it didn't get read by the kernel |
| 05:56.41 | mhall | copyclose: so something is busted |
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| 05:56.55 | mhall | copyclose: otherwise it would have showed up in the kernel's recitation of its boot options |
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| 05:57.08 | mhall | copyclose: which is what the kernel command line represents |
| 05:57.59 | deadcat | ootput: did i tell you i wrote a php script to download tv torrents as soon as they release? (= i dont have to do shit now |
| 05:58.23 | mhall | deadcat: zOMGHAX |
| 05:58.27 | yetistomps | mhall, oh i almost forgot. what is the file i need to configure (or ncurses proggy) to add user: yetistomps to access hd: /data FROM a winxp box? I did all this b4 in KDE-network but I rather learn so i dont have to rely on KDE to do this for me. |
| 05:58.36 | deadcat | mhall: ? |
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| 05:58.42 | mhall | yetistomps: right, command is called smbpasswd |
| 05:58.54 | mhall | deadcat: was deadpan humor at your PHP trickery |
| 05:58.59 | yetistomps | mhall, smbpaswd -a yetistomps |
| 05:59.09 | meny | how do i make the udev to automaticly create /dev/input/event1? |
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| 05:59.22 | deadcat | mhall: what are you talking about? i dont get it... deadpan? |
| 05:59.23 | mhall | yetistomps: yeah i think that's right based on manpage |
| 05:59.29 | mhall | deadcat: wasn |
| 05:59.33 | mhall | deadcat: wasn't that funny |
| 05:59.39 | yetistomps | mhall, but how can I tell samba which shares to share? |
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| 05:59.47 | simonrvn | !dict deadpan |
| 05:59.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'deadpan' (2): without betraying any feeling; "she told the joke deadpan" ;; deliberately impassive in manner; "deadpan humor"; "his face remained expressionless as the verdict was read". |
| 05:59.50 | deadcat | mhall: no because i have no clue what you talking about (= |
| 05:59.51 | yetistomps | mhall, ahh.. nv .. smb.conf right? |
| 06:00.06 | mhall | yetistomps: yeah alright, the shares in smb.conf have user lists |
| 06:00.08 | deadcat | hmm |
| 06:00.09 | dreamil|lab | cheal: i dont know what it means to "know" debian ;) I have been using it for last 2 years or so |
| 06:00.16 | mhall | yetistomps: you can say who can get in, and who's allowed to read and write |
| 06:00.27 | yetistomps | mhall, okies. :-) |
| 06:00.31 | mhall | yetistomps: if you need help setting it up there is a tool called swat. samba web admin tool. |
| 06:00.47 | mhall | yetistomps: i wrote my first file using swat then after i saw how it did it i copied and pasted |
| 06:01.03 | meny | anyone? |
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| 06:01.10 | simonrvn | !seen anyone |
| 06:01.11 | dpkg | anyone <n=username@3E6B9A9A.rev.stofanet.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 112d 8h 8m 30s ago, saying: '[necro], but I don't know actually.'. |
| 06:01.24 | copyclose | nice mhall, it fucking worked |
| 06:01.24 | deadcat | ootput: my freeshell account cant even telnet.. basically since i never pay his ass. i only use it to check my email. |
| 06:01.25 | copyclose | :) |
| 06:01.27 | yetistomps | mhall, dont tell me u used webmin... |
| 06:01.28 | copyclose | thanks man |
| 06:01.31 | mhall | meny: no meny you aren't online |
| 06:01.35 | copyclose | i love you man |
| 06:01.36 | copyclose | lol |
| 06:01.40 | cheal | dreamil|lab: hehe. well, using unstable without knowing Debian's IRC resources would be "not knowing Debian *much*" |
| 06:01.44 | mhall | yetistomps: no, swat is seperate tool written by the samb people themselves |
| 06:01.49 | copyclose | i didn't think about this |
| 06:01.55 | yetistomps | mhall, apt-gettting it... :-) |
| 06:01.59 | mhall | copyclose: what went wrong first time |
| 06:02.00 | ootput | deadcat: hehe |
| 06:02.16 | copyclose | that ACPI thing |
| 06:02.16 | mhall | yetistomps: yeah then when you're done you can just uninstall it and maintain the file periodically with an editor |
| 06:02.22 | ootput | deadcat: it's like, a buck |
| 06:02.26 | mhall | yetistomps: that's what i do now that i got the file set up like i needed |
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| 06:02.43 | mhall | yetistomps: it's just... there are so many different options in samba files |
| 06:02.51 | mhall | yetistomps: and i never know what ones somebody will want |
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| 06:02.57 | MH | i saw things |
| 06:03.05 | mhall | yetistomps: my samba system is single user so i have real simple options |
| 06:03.22 | mhall | copyclose: not what i meant |
| 06:03.32 | yetistomps | mhall, hmm.. swat is installed but when i invoke it throuh the command line.. nothing happens. |
| 06:03.33 | mhall | copyclose: what i meant was, why did it not boot up with the acpi disabled |
| 06:03.39 | mhall | copyclose: where did the option get lost |
| 06:03.41 | copyclose | i don't know |
| 06:03.43 | dreamil|lab | cheal: well, isnt that a complement to debian ? |
| 06:03.50 | mhall | copyclose: also if you punched it in by hand, better edit the menu.lst file |
| 06:03.56 | copyclose | i just added 'acpi=off' and it boots fine |
| 06:03.57 | deadcat | ootput: no. $36 lifetime. i only use my email there anyway. my website is on my desktop and my ex gave me a subdomain so i am ok on that.. |
| 06:03.59 | dreamil|lab | i could use unstable/testing without having to bother you all for so long |
| 06:04.02 | mhall | copyclose: i think you'll need what they call an append statement or some shit |
| 06:04.03 | copyclose | just like it was |
| 06:04.19 | mhall | greenfly: you have to rent a domain from your ex? |
| 06:04.22 | mhall | oops |
| 06:04.28 | mhall | deadcat: you have to rent a domain from your ex? |
| 06:04.32 | mhall | greenfly: nm! |
| 06:04.47 | deadcat | mhall: no. she gave me a subdomain. i dont have to pay anything |
| 06:04.52 | meny | how do i make the udev to automaticly create /dev/input/event1? |
| 06:05.02 | mhall | deadcat: that's kinda awkward |
| 06:05.05 | cheal | dreamil|lab: in theory, yes |
| 06:05.12 | mhall | deadcat: does it cause trouble |
| 06:05.14 | dreamil|lab | cheal: thanks :) |
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| 06:05.34 | deadcat | mhall: kinna. thats why i usually edit the site on my desktop and cvs it to that server. |
| 06:05.42 | dreamil|lab | cheal: so now i am unable to get xserver-xorg 7.0.15 installed |
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| 06:05.52 | dreamil|lab | because of some pre-inst error |
| 06:05.54 | mhall | deadcat: she likes to h4x the contents? |
| 06:06.07 | ootput | deadcat: :) |
| 06:06.13 | deadcat | mhall: shes cool. |
| 06:06.42 | ootput | she's a tech-head, so she's automatically cool |
| 06:06.49 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:06.56 | cheal | dreamil|lab: don't ask me, ask the channel |
| 06:06.58 | ootput | my gf can access adium on macosx |
| 06:07.01 | ootput | and that's about it |
| 06:07.08 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 06:07.13 | mhall | my gf's invisible. top that. |
| 06:07.26 | ootput | bet that's a constant turn-on |
| 06:07.33 | ootput | voyeurism |
| 06:07.33 | deadcat | thats pretty tech-head right? |
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| 06:08.26 | ootput | ehe, the moulin rouge soundtrack isn't bad |
| 06:08.39 | deadcat | i bowled a 229 on thur. (= |
| 06:08.52 | ootput | do you have the whole get-up? |
| 06:09.03 | deadcat | get-up? |
| 06:09.19 | ootput | shoes, bag, gloves, ball, wristband |
| 06:09.22 | deadcat | nah. |
| 06:09.25 | ootput | the wristband is a funny item |
| 06:09.28 | deadcat | all on the house |
| 06:10.01 | dreamil|lab | i am unable to get xserver-xorg 7.0.15 installed |
| 06:10.05 | dreamil|lab | because of some pre-inst error |
| 06:10.14 | dreamil|lab | can somebody in channel help me |
| 06:10.27 | deadcat | dreamil|lab: check /usr/X11R6/bin see if its empty or not |
| 06:10.35 | dreamil|lab | ok wait |
| 06:10.52 | dreamil|lab | it is not empty |
| 06:11.02 | dreamil|lab | BTW this is originally a sarge installation |
| 06:11.04 | deadcat | dreamil|lab: what you have there? apt-get remove those packages |
| 06:11.11 | dreamil|lab | i did dist-upgrade |
| 06:11.20 | deadcat | dreamil|lab: so you on unstable right? |
| 06:11.28 | dreamil|lab | testing |
| 06:11.35 | deadcat | testing DONT have 7.0 does it? |
| 06:11.45 | dreamil|lab | how come? |
| 06:11.53 | dreamil|lab | i have all testing entries in sources |
| 06:11.57 | deadcat | this is what i have on my unstable xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-7 |
| 06:12.09 | deadcat | dreamil|lab: testing DONT have xorg 7.0 |
| 06:12.33 | dreamil|lab | ok |
| 06:12.49 | dreamil|lab | so it is unstable |
| 06:13.02 | dreamil|lab | let me check |
| 06:13.04 | deadcat | ok. xorg 7.0 is very unstable. |
| 06:13.17 | dreamil|lab | umm |
| 06:13.24 | dreamil|lab | so what do I do? |
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| 06:13.40 | dreamil|lab | comment out unstable sources entries? |
| 06:13.47 | deadcat | dreamil|lab: check the stuff in /usr/X11R6/bin, apt-get remove those packages then install xorg again |
| 06:14.13 | deadcat | dreamil|lab: are you on stable/testing/unstable? ocne you dist-upgrade theres no turning back. |
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| 06:14.42 | simonrvn | !tell trackpoint -about root |
| 06:15.19 | dreamil|lab | it have xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-7 |
| 06:16.01 | deadcat | simonrvn: i fix the xorg 7.0 on the ibook but when i startx it wont start. and slim wont start either.. so i am just gonna bring the thing back to the shop and tell them to get me a new hd since one partition is giving me error anyway... they can hose the hd since i backed up /home and some /var stuff. |
| 06:16.22 | deadcat | dreamil|lab: you on unstable then. follow what i told you earlier |
| 06:16.35 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 06:17.19 | meny | can somone help me how to make udev to automaticly create /dev/input/event1? |
| 06:17.24 | deadcat | simonrvn: is partition with sarge hella easy on ppc? because when i did the diskless woody install. it was pretty tricky. |
| 06:17.41 | dreamil|lab | deadcat: ok |
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| 06:18.17 | simonrvn | deadcat: yeh. |
| 06:18.23 | deadcat | cool |
| 06:18.43 | deadcat | but the media-less woody install was very fun though.. |
| 06:19.19 | deadcat | but once they replace my hd. i am just gonna do a nightly snapshot and go straight to unstable instead of sarge to unstable |
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| 06:19.58 | simonrvn | eh, no, do sarge, then unstable. the install will be much less painful (and much more likely to work) |
| 06:20.09 | deadcat | oh |
| 06:20.27 | simonrvn | package versions, libs, etc. |
| 06:20.34 | deadcat | simonrvn: on my desktop. i used the snapshot to do directly to unstable. taht worked |
| 06:20.38 | deadcat | k |
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| 06:20.53 | simonrvn | ooh, that might work |
| 06:21.17 | deadcat | i've only done ppc install ONCE (= |
| 06:21.33 | deadcat | tahts how cool debian is |
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| 06:21.55 | simonrvn | i've done a few, but because i've done it on several machines =) |
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| 06:29.40 | yetistomps | !mplayer |
| 06:29.40 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 06:34.47 | SexyKen | How can I install tomcat???? |
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| 06:38.41 | SexyKen | Well it's not in the packages |
| 06:38.41 | SexyKen | So yea |
| 06:39.40 | wols | 1apt-cache show tomcat5 |
| 06:39.58 | wols | it's in main |
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| 06:44.33 | minerale | Has anyone been able to install mplayerplug-in.sf.net --- is there a dpkg for it? I used alien to install a rpm but that did not work |
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| 06:47.06 | stoned | minerale, what is this mplayer plugin? apt-get install mozilla-mplayer? |
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| 06:51.23 | minerale | stoned: that package does not exist |
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| 06:53.29 | wols | minerale: apt-cache search mplayer |grep mozilla |
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| 06:54.23 | wols | minerale: if the package doesn't exist get another repository: http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/mozilla-mplayer |
| 06:54.36 | minerale | wols, stoned: it seems to be in stable but not in etch |
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| 06:55.01 | minerale | yeah, I just found it, downloading right now |
| 06:55.19 | yetistomps | minerale, tell add mirellat to your sources.list (Tell dpkg !mplayer (u can get mplayer plugin there) |
| 06:56.10 | minerale | no it seems that there are dependency issues |
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| 07:02.14 | cheal | minerale: it's in etch/contrib |
| 07:07.25 | wols | it's also in unstable |
| 07:07.46 | deadcat | if its in testing. chances are it will be in unstable (= |
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| 07:21.08 | exit | hi, does anyone here have p750 matrox 3xhead ... i need to know what setup would i go for if i want two screen with one resolution? |
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| 07:24.39 | dorel_ | how do i set alsamixer with command line to all volume up? |
| 07:25.27 | wols | man alsamixer ? |
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| 07:26.09 | minerale | how do I add contrib packages to sources.lst? |
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| 07:27.12 | cahoot | dorel_: I thinkt you mean amixer if you want plain CLI |
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| 07:30.28 | theturtl | hey, i'm having a weird bash problem is anyone can help, i have this directory -=Stuff=- and i can't cd into it, i keep getting htis error |
| 07:30.30 | theturtl | -bash: cd: -=: invalid option |
| 07:30.48 | peterS | theturtl: cd ./-=Stuff=- |
| 07:30.55 | theturtl | i've been playing with enclosing it in quotes , putting in \ in front of characters and it just won't work |
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| 07:31.18 | theturtl | :o |
| 07:31.25 | theturtl | heh |
| 07:31.33 | theturtl | that worked :D |
| 07:31.40 | theturtl | that was too simple |
| 07:31.47 | peterS | ./ is a great way around commands that think "-" means a command line option rather than a filename |
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| 07:33.18 | dorel_ | weird i dont have amixer though and i cant find it in apt-cache either |
| 07:33.40 | cahoot | dorel_: alsa-tools |
| 07:34.07 | cahoot | dorel_: or maybe lsa-utils - you want both anyway |
| 07:34.15 | dorel_ | ahh thanks |
| 07:34.18 | theturtl | thanks tons peterS that one's been driving me nuts ;) |
| 07:34.23 | peterS | no problem |
| 07:34.44 | dorel_ | there's a tag to check for a file in all packages with dpkg i forgot what it was... |
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| 07:35.16 | fbls | is safe to install 2.6.16.11? |
| 07:35.22 | fbls | kernel? |
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| 07:39.46 | mat | #flood |
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| 07:47.42 | pinky_ | Is there a way I can be able to alt-tab out of fullscreen applications (mostly games like Quake 3 Arena, UT2004, ZSNES, etc.)? |
| 07:47.55 | Rizzer | has anyone else been getting "kernel: Disabling IRQ #11" from unstable recently? |
| 07:48.06 | pinky_ | Or what does that depend on? The application itself or the Desktop Environment or X or what? |
| 07:48.32 | peterS | pinky_: generally the window manager, but games might override the window manager - there's a way to do that |
| 07:48.33 | Agrajag- | pinky_: it's up to the application. in q3 you press alt-enter, then bring down the console and you can move the mouse around your desktop. if console is up then mouse control goes to q3 |
| 07:48.44 | ootput | pinky_: have you tried a program such as xbindkeys? |
| 07:49.43 | pinky_ | ootput: I have no tried xbindkeys, I'll look into it. |
| 07:50.15 | pinky_ | peterS: Are you saying that these games *are* overrigind the window manager by making it so I cannot alt-tab, or vice versa? |
| 07:50.26 | fbls | did anyone successfully installed kernel 2.6.16.11 ? |
| 07:50.53 | peterS | pinky_: if they're preventing alt-tab from doing anything, they probably are interfering with the window manager somehow, yes |
| 07:50.58 | ootput | fbls: i've used a patchset that includes all the changes up to 11 |
| 07:51.10 | ootput | fbls: no problem yet |
| 07:51.23 | fbls | i heard there some security flaws on 2.6.7 |
| 07:51.26 | fbls | 2.6.8* |
| 07:51.39 | fbls | ootput: what are you using right now? |
| 07:51.47 | pinky_ | peterS: Okay, you are saying *normally* alt-tab behavior is controlled by the window manager, but these applications (fullscreen games such as Q3A) are overriding that? |
| 07:52.10 | menko | hello, cups isn't working for me. Can't configure it through localhost:631 . Anyone else have this problem in unstable? I checked cupsys bugs, but I can't find anything recent. |
| 07:52.16 | ootput | fbls: http://iphitus.loudas.com/beyond.html |
| 07:52.19 | pinky_ | And I could use xbindkeys to make it so I could alt-tab then? |
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| 07:52.49 | peterS | pinky_: correct, normally the window manager controls such keybindings, but apps can disable this if they really want to |
| 07:53.14 | pinky_ | So why do these applications disable that? To prevent accidentle alt-tabs? |
| 07:53.28 | streuner | menko: so the system worked before? |
| 07:53.31 | fbls | custom kernel? |
| 07:53.45 | ootput | fbls: based on Koliva's |
| 07:53.55 | menko | streuner: yes, it's been working well until yesterday or earlier today when it said it couldn't find the device |
| 07:53.59 | peterS | pinky_: well, it could be a side effect of, for example, requesting a new workspace (most window managers support multiple workspaces) and the window manager sees that there's only one window in a given workspace so alt-tab doesn't have anything to do anyway |
| 07:54.42 | peterS | pinky_: it's also _possible_ for something to sidestep X entirely and take direct control of the input devices - for lower latency or something. this makes little sense for the keyboard but may be an issue for the mouse or joystick. who knows. |
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| 07:54.58 | LinuxHelp | ping? |
| 07:55.18 | peterS | sorry, ping no longer lives here. he moved out last month |
| 07:55.28 | pinky_ | peterS: So it completely is application specific; both whether or not it overrides the window manager's alt-tab capability and whether or not it requests a new workspace? |
| 07:55.34 | ootput | ah, i forget the reference |
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| 07:55.38 | LinuxHelp | peterS, iptables? |
| 07:55.46 | pinky_ | So I have to deal with this problem one game at a time? |
| 07:56.35 | menko | I have to go bath now |
| 07:56.36 | peterS | pinky_: I'm not certain what all happens when an app wants to take over the whole screen. it might disable any number of X facilities in its own self-interest |
| 07:57.11 | meny | what can i do to auto create /dev/input/event1? |
| 07:57.12 | pinky_ | peterS: okay, well, as to a solution should I check otu xbindkeys? Or any other options come to mind? |
| 07:57.16 | dubbaluga | hi! how can i clean up my (running) linux - i have many old sockets in state "FIN_WAIT2" and so i'm permanently out of file descriptors |
| 07:57.50 | fbls | how do you install kernel from .bz2 ? |
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| 07:58.13 | ootput | fbls: you're missing a few steps |
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| 07:58.25 | LinuxHelp | http://pastebin.com/691799 <-- how can I fork execution of the & commands into a completely different er.. instance of the current user? |
| 07:58.43 | fbls | ootput: i know you have extract it, etc |
| 07:59.04 | peterS | pinky_: I'd investigate by running 'xev' (probably launched from another machine ssh'd into your desktop box, manually running 'export DISPLAY=:0' there so it will use the main screen) with whatever that option is to attach to another window, and see whether keystrokes are picked up that way |
| 07:59.25 | streuner | menko: How come that you think its a cupsys bug? |
| 08:00.00 | ootput | fbls: there's a lot to chew on, but maybe try http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 08:01.07 | ootput | fbls: or perhaps: http://www.tux.org/~tbr/debiankernelpkg/ |
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| 08:01.31 | ootput | the latter seems less specific, but should serve as a decent quickstart guide |
| 08:02.33 | fbls | ootput: i know how to install/upgrade kernel, but i need 2.6.16.11 which is not a package |
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| 08:03.07 | ootput | fbls: which requires that you obtain the source, install (via apt-get) the neccessary tools for kernel-package-generation, and follow either of those guides |
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| 08:03.42 | ootput | fbls: unless, by 'package', you mean the source tarball for that specific minor |
| 08:03.59 | fbls | ic |
| 08:04.28 | wols | fbls: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 08:04.48 | ootput | yeah, that's the comprehensive one i linked to earlier |
| 08:05.03 | ootput | fbls: it's a worthwhile read, as I'm sure you'll be doing many kernel compiles in the near future |
| 08:07.22 | menko | streuner: well, isn't cupsys the server? I can't access the server through the browser, and seems the programs are having problems printing to it |
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| 08:08.13 | meny | after ive installed 2.6.16.11 my sound doesnt work and i need to create /dev/input/event1 everytime i boot |
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| 08:09.07 | menko | I'm coming, I just have to go off to another pc to print some stuff |
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| 08:10.27 | wols | meny: is it a custom kernel? |
| 08:10.42 | streuner | menko: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 144 2005-12-23 07:18 cupsys.conffiles |
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| 08:11.30 | streuner | menko: and i usually update my sid system almost every day... |
| 08:12.40 | meny | yes |
| 08:12.42 | Ademan | anyways, my question is as follows: i recently installed ubuntu (i know i know... but it seems to be a cross-distro problem) on my laptop, and on startup (first time every time) i get an error "hw_random: RNG not detected" now i did some googling and it told me to remove hw_random from /etc/modules but i haven't the slightest clue how to do that when the system isn't fully up (heck i dunno if i could do it if it WAS up fully) |
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| 08:13.06 | menko | streuner: so your cups is working? Strange. I've tried purging most of the cups packages(and I made sure /etc/cups/ was empty) and reinstalling but still no go |
| 08:13.07 | geckosenator | are there images for use with netboot? |
| 08:13.10 | streuner | Ademan: #ubuntu |
| 08:13.13 | geckosenator | and when not installing to a disk |
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| 08:13.20 | geckosenator | I want to netboot, and run in ramdisk |
| 08:13.30 | memic_ | Ademan boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 08:13.32 | Ademan | streuner: they're of absolutley no help, and again, it doesnt seem to be ubuntu specific |
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| 08:13.39 | menko | streuner: maybe the server (official NZ server) is a bit behind on the updates and is at a different one than yours |
| 08:13.44 | Ademan | thanks memic |
| 08:13.55 | streuner | Ademan: you are running ubuntu |
| 08:13.55 | meny | wols: yes |
| 08:14.06 | streuner | menko: hm |
| 08:14.25 | streuner | menko: german server is pretty fast |
| 08:14.33 | wols | meny: have you compiled in your soundcard drivers? have you loaded them? |
| 08:14.58 | Ademan | struener: they share a common code base, that leaves a possibility (which was reinforced by the fact that google turned up similar problems for ALL linux distros) that the problem could be solved from here |
| 08:15.01 | menko | streuner: and I forgot to say, just before it did this, it was printing two copies of everything |
| 08:15.37 | kevix | Ademan: manybe the modules is in the kernel and thus can only be removed by altering .config? |
| 08:15.47 | meny | wols: im not sure what are they so left it like i found it mostly |
| 08:15.53 | cahoot | Ademan: trust me - arguing this matter is of no use whatsoever |
| 08:18.06 | Ademan | i know... but the absolute anti-helpfulness was annoying |
| 08:18.11 | wols | meny: then find out |
| 08:18.33 | meny | wols: how? |
| 08:18.45 | kevix | Ademan: I once spent 20min helping someone on a problem only to learn that the error was an UBUNTU error and was fixed by looking in the UBUNTU bug tracking system. |
| 08:18.45 | wols | Ademan: we are volunteers. we can't troubleshoot all the distros in existence. now stop whining |
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| 08:19.27 | cahoot | why stress the volunteer bit? |
| 08:19.59 | wols | cause it means he has no sensible reason to expect anything from us |
| 08:20.23 | wols | and that we can't and don't know about all the distros in existence and their problems |
| 08:20.31 | streuner | they can expect, but not with non-debian issues |
| 08:20.35 | kevix | cahoot: actually I'm chained to my desk and doing pentance in #debian as an opus-dei member! |
| 08:20.53 | cahoot | kevix: tough luck |
| 08:21.20 | wols | streuner: not even then, there are many people in here who don't get their answers, cause we just don't know about their problem(s). Tho of course we try to help with debian issues as good as we can |
| 08:21.40 | minerale | If I want to install the latest version of Gnome--is downloading the sources+recompiling my only option? |
| 08:21.54 | wols | kevix: you're the first opus dei member ever who does something useful as penance I guess |
| 08:22.00 | cahoot | kevix: but you'll surely get your reward later on |
| 08:22.09 | FallenHitokiri | where does vdr normaly saves the recordings? |
| 08:22.12 | wols | minerale: check bacports.org first |
| 08:22.32 | streuner | wols: in the past usually about 99 percent of all questions are usually solved, that's my experience, of course there is sometimes we cannot solve |
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| 08:22.51 | streuner | wols: issues* |
| 08:22.52 | minerale | wols: well, I'm already running etch |
| 08:23.05 | wols | minerale: so? |
| 08:23.40 | alfatau | hello, i've a linux server and i want to send to users some notify emails about new services and news. i don't want to tell the users' address to others, so i would use bcc. i'm trying to make a script for sending mail, but i'm not able to send with bcc to a list of users. how can i do? can you help me? |
| 08:23.40 | kevix | FallenHitokiri: most programs save in the current directory unless maybe it has a .PROGRAM file or /etc/PROGRAM file which say where to save stuff. |
| 08:23.45 | minerale | wols: arent backports compiled for woody libraries? |
| 08:23.46 | wols | streuner: I didn't say #debian has a bad track record. just a non perfect one :) |
| 08:23.59 | minerale | err woody/sarge ... |
| 08:24.05 | streuner | wols: that's what iam trying to say too ;-) |
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| 08:24.10 | Kournikoza | is there a simple win32 compiler for linux? i'm trying to compile a simple c file to an exe ..? |
| 08:24.32 | wols | Kournikoza: mingw is in debian (as a crosscompiler) |
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| 08:24.39 | FallenHitokiri | kevix: hm. okay thanks |
| 08:24.54 | kevix | Kournikoza: ming? |
| 08:25.02 | wols | Kournikoza: erm, most programs save to ~ as root intended |
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| 08:25.13 | wols | doh |
| 08:25.17 | wols | wrong nick complete again |
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| 08:27.55 | buglord | is there a meta-package in stable that installs the complete toolchain to compile tarballs? |
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| 08:28.17 | kevix | !info mingw32 |
| 08:28.26 | dpkg | mingw32: (Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.4.5.20060117.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 10054 kB, Installed size: 43564 kB |
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| 08:28.51 | kevix | buglord: build-essential |
| 08:29.14 | buglord | thanks a bunch kevix |
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| 08:32.11 | menko | jobs simply aren't being sent to the printer, I go: lp test, it sends the job. then lpq and no entries... |
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| 08:33.37 | streuner_ | menko: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 08:33.52 | streuner_ | dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 08:33.52 | dpkg | methinks hpinkjet install is http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php |
| 08:34.14 | menko | streuner: I don't have an hpinkjet |
| 08:34.23 | wols | buglord: build-essential |
| 08:34.37 | streuner_ | menko: well, the page is useful, only to see which steps you have to do |
| 08:35.03 | menko | streuner_: ok I'll try that out, thanks. I guess if it doesn't work then, I'll have to wait for a package fix to come in. |
| 08:35.22 | Kournikoza | help, i'm using gcc 3.3.4 .. how am i able to compile a simple c file .. i don't want to use mingw .. |
| 08:35.46 | buglord | maybe you need build-essential, too Kournikoza |
| 08:35.47 | streuner_ | menko: well, let me look at incoming... |
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| 08:36.15 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I just instaled Woody in a 486, it came with Lilo, can I replace it with Grub? How? |
| 08:36.27 | abrocadabro | Kournikoza: can't you use gcc -Wall -o output_file program.c ? |
| 08:36.35 | wols | SonnyBurnett: by apt-getting grub |
| 08:36.45 | wols | then edit your menu.lst and run grub-install |
| 08:36.56 | Kournikoza | wait |
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| 08:37.57 | SonnyBurnett | What are the ad/dis vantages of using Grub or Lilo? |
| 08:38.03 | streuner_ | menko: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.postinst |
| 08:38.52 | streuner_ | !start a bootloader war |
| 08:38.52 | dpkg | grub rules |
| 08:39.09 | streuner_ | SonnyBurnett: i know lilo... |
| 08:39.19 | menko | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7400 2005-12-22 18:18 /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.postinst .... but I just reinstalled all the cups packages a couple of hours ago |
| 08:39.23 | peterS | SonnyBurnett: lilo has the advantage of familiarity for people who have written lilo.conf files by hand for the past 10 years. other than that, grub has the rest of the advantages |
| 08:39.43 | geckosenator | no |
| 08:39.46 | geckosenator | lilo is smaller too |
| 08:40.00 | streuner_ | menko: well, do you what that means? |
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| 08:40.13 | alfatau | hello, i've a linux server and i want to send to users some notify emails about new services and news. i don't want to tell the users' address to others, so i would use bcc. i'm trying to make a script for sending mail, but i'm not able to send with bcc to a list of users. how can i do? can you help me? |
| 08:40.22 | peterS | geckosenator: given that grub fits comfortably on a floppy, I don't see how that generally matters |
| 08:40.32 | geckosenator | peterS: it does for embedded systems |
| 08:40.43 | wols | alfatau: install a mailing list manager |
| 08:40.45 | menko | streuner: ah.. hehe, only changed last year (?) but still, does have to change everytime the package is updated? |
| 08:40.51 | geckosenator | peterS: grub only works on x86 |
| 08:41.00 | streuner_ | menko: i think so |
| 08:41.11 | peterS | geckosenator: I think you mean "lilo only works on x86". grub works on powerpc and sparc too |
| 08:41.16 | kevix | do grub and lilo both work for lvm,lvm2 and md ? |
| 08:41.26 | menko | streuner_: maybe it's a problem with cups communicating with the device? But still the web interface doesn't work, and it is configured in the cups conf file |
| 08:41.29 | streuner_ | menko: the date changes everytime when new packages goes into your system, AFAIK |
| 08:41.35 | geckosenator | peterS: oh ok, lilo has a varient for sparc.. that's interesting |
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| 08:41.54 | streuner_ | menko: try to configure it via CUPS another time |
| 08:42.04 | peterS | geckosenator: if you're thinking of silo, that's not a lilo variant, but a completely independent program with a similar name |
| 08:42.06 | SonnyBurnett | peterS, so we could say that Lilo and Grub are the same thing, they give us the same advantages |
| 08:42.16 | geckosenator | peterS: hehe ok |
| 08:42.25 | kevix | peterS: what about milo? |
| 08:42.32 | geckosenator | loadlin? |
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| 08:42.42 | peterS | kevix: I don't know much about milo as I don't have an alpha. but I understand that too is a completely separate program |
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| 08:43.06 | peterS | kevix: and palo (for hppa). their names were all inspired by lilo but that's about it |
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| 08:43.28 | alfatau | wols: ok, but isn't it possible to send a mail in blind carbon copy to a list of address? i've a script working fine finding news and creating "text bodies" to send, but i'm unable to send with bcc. |
| 08:43.29 | menko | streuner: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2199 2006-05-01 07:45 cupsys-client.list ... maybe that |
| 08:43.51 | dondelelcaro | alfatau: you can always Bcc to a list of addresses. |
| 08:44.02 | dondelelcaro | (well, you always can unless your MTA sucks) |
| 08:44.12 | menko | but -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32044 2006-05-01 07:45 cupsys.list |
| 08:44.27 | wols | alfatau: do you know that your MTA doesn't give a rats ass about To:, Cc: and Bcc: ? |
| 08:44.35 | kevix | alfatau: what command are you using to send? or is it a program? |
| 08:44.45 | dondelelcaro | wols: that depends |
| 08:44.46 | wols | read up on the difference between envelope and header in SMTP |
| 08:44.57 | wols | dondelelcaro: on what? |
| 08:45.02 | dondelelcaro | wols: try sendmail -t. |
| 08:45.02 | streuner_ | menko: and, is there a bug for cupsys-client? |
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| 08:45.34 | kevix | alfatau: what command are you using to send? or is it a program? |
| 08:45.36 | wols | dondelelcaro: sendmail is evil |
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| 08:45.37 | alfatau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.48 | alfatau | kevix: echo "$BODY" | mail -b "$USERS" -s "$SUBJECT" |
| 08:45.55 | streuner_ | menko: as you already said, you removed and re-installed all packages... |
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| 08:46.01 | dondelelcaro | wols: the command, not the MTA. -t is specified by LSB. |
| 08:46.02 | alfatau | kevix: using exim MTA |
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| 08:46.08 | hardfalcon | hi |
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| 08:47.39 | menko | streuner_: I'm not really sure if the file list date updates every time a package is installed. I guess it does... |
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| 08:47.58 | MatBoy | does someone know how I can mount a SD-card-slot when the cardreader is recognized as 4 seperate devices but without seperate ID's ? |
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| 08:48.51 | hardfalcon | hmmm |
| 08:48.55 | hardfalcon | don't know |
| 08:49.03 | streuner_ | menko: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/cupsys-client |
| 08:49.10 | hardfalcon | under kubuntu, my cardreader is detected as an scsi-drive |
| 08:49.20 | hardfalcon | (although it's connected via usb) |
| 08:49.27 | dondelelcaro | hardfalcon: it'd always be a scsi drive. |
| 08:49.28 | streuner_ | menko: Last Modified: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:55:23 +0000 |
| 08:49.34 | MatBoy | hardfalcon, here also, I see now that I have for each device sd 2:0:0:0 |
| 08:49.45 | menko | streuner_: well I doubt that'd be the problem causer then |
| 08:49.48 | MatBoy | I was using the tut of the debian-administration |
| 08:49.48 | dondelelcaro | hardfalcon: dmesg will tell you which scsi drive (or /proc/partitions) |
| 08:50.00 | menko | streuner_: but then again, I don't know how behind the nz debian server is |
| 08:50.04 | streuner_ | menko: its the same for cupsys... |
| 08:50.10 | kevix | alfatau: on my sid system, mail has no -b option. |
| 08:50.17 | streuner_ | menko: there are no packages in incoming either... |
| 08:50.31 | MatBoy | dondelelcaro, ow damn, sorry !! |
| 08:50.36 | MatBoy | I see it now indeed :D |
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| 08:51.03 | ev0lmoew | guys.. where is mod_proxy for Apache 1.3 in Debian? |
| 08:51.28 | hardfalcon | dondelelcaro: this is what I get for the card reader: |
| 08:51.30 | hardfalcon | [4294689.831000] Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 08:51.30 | hardfalcon | [4294689.834000] Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 1 |
| 08:51.30 | hardfalcon | [4294689.838000] Attached scsi removable disk sdc at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 2 |
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| 08:51.33 | kevix | MatBoy: I unplug the memory card, then 'tail -f /var/log/messages', put in the card and read the message to give me a clue |
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| 08:51.45 | kevix | MatBoy: I unplug the memory card, then 'tail -f /var/log/messages', put in the card and read the message to give me a clue |
| 08:51.50 | menko | streuner_: weird, I'll have another try at fixing it later, doing taxes now |
| 08:52.06 | streuner_ | menko: have fun ;-) |
| 08:52.22 | hardfalcon | I'd also have a question.... |
| 08:52.37 | MatBoy | kevix, I don't get anything there but it's recognized I see. But under what kind of volume do I have to mount it ? FAT ? |
| 08:52.43 | hardfalcon | i didn.t understand the debian faq that well... |
| 08:53.07 | kevix | MatBoy: 99% are fat, vfat,msdos... |
| 08:53.15 | hardfalcon | can i use the original kernels from kernel.org without any changes or patches in the cource codes? |
| 08:53.38 | MatBoy | kevix, OK, thanks !! this is nice because I couldn't use it on my laptop before... now I can in my desktop :D |
| 08:53.41 | peterS | hardfalcon: yes, although pay attention to what kernel versions 'udev' supports. this varies with the udev version you have. |
| 08:53.49 | hardfalcon | welll |
| 08:53.50 | streuner_ | hardfalcon: sure, but who told you to flood the channel? |
| 08:53.54 | hardfalcon | that doesnt matter for me |
| 08:53.59 | dondelelcaro | hardfalcon: first; please don't paste here. Second, the devices are at /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, and /dev/sdc. |
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| 08:54.09 | menko | anyone know how to get gnumeric autocomplete the year in a date? |
| 08:54.15 | dondelelcaro | hardfalcon: why you've got three, I don't quite know, but that's what's showing up. |
| 08:54.24 | hardfalcon | i just want a distro where i can use the newest kernel without any patching or other corrections... |
| 08:54.45 | streuner_ | hardfalcon: there are backports |
| 08:54.47 | hardfalcon | well sry for the pasting |
| 08:54.50 | streuner_ | !backports |
| 08:54.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:54.50 | peterS | hardfalcon: should work fine, modulo the possible issue with udev |
| 08:54.51 | pageyoo7 | Kanotix |
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| 08:55.06 | hardfalcon | about the 3 devices: i've got a cardreader with 4 interfaces |
| 08:55.19 | hardfalcon | and i forgot to mark the 4th device... |
| 08:55.21 | peterS | hardfalcon: and if you're using debian stable, certain other kernel-related packages may or may not work right with very new kernels. such as initrd-tools |
| 08:55.35 | hardfalcon | hummm |
| 08:55.39 | hardfalcon | thats bad.... |
| 08:55.41 | cahoot | hardfalcon: you have a /dev/sdd too as indicated by dmesg |
| 08:56.08 | streuner_ | hardfalcon: there are backports |
| 08:56.20 | streuner_ | for sarge/stable |
| 08:56.49 | hardfalcon | (just to be certain about things: my problem isn't the cardreader, it works perfectly, i just wanted to help the guys who where discussing about *their* cardreaders...) |
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| 08:57.19 | hardfalcon | k |
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| 08:57.25 | hardfalcon | well, i'll try debian |
| 08:58.01 | hardfalcon | yesterday, i compiled my first kernel, and it didn't work at all... |
| 08:58.11 | hardfalcon | even not with the standard kernel config... |
| 08:58.16 | streuner_ | peterS: the problem isn't an sarge specific question ;-) |
| 08:58.43 | hardfalcon | certainly because kubuntu or the nvidia driver have got some problems with it... |
| 08:58.49 | hardfalcon | well |
| 08:58.56 | streuner_ | there are more than 500 options for newer kernels, what do you expect? |
| 08:59.03 | peterS | wait, you're using kubuntu? this isn't a kubuntu channel |
| 08:59.13 | streuner_ | DOH |
| 08:59.33 | peterS | we don't know anything about what version of initramfs-tools or udev they have in kubuntu, etc., etc. |
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| 09:00.01 | robin_sz | perhaps we need new functionality for the bot |
| 09:00.21 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: it's already there. /msg dpkg based on |
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| 09:00.36 | robin_sz | if ( $line =~ /ubuntu/ ) { $user->kick(); } |
| 09:00.52 | peterS | robin_sz: do you really want to get kicked? just now you would have (: |
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| 09:00.53 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: that'd just get you kicked... |
| 09:01.00 | hardfalcon | i know this is a debian chan |
| 09:01.05 | hardfalcon | thats why i joined |
| 09:01.08 | robin_sz | oh not again ;) |
| 09:01.19 | hardfalcon | i just wanted to know wheter debian would support my cunstom kernels... |
| 09:01.33 | hardfalcon | i think i'm gonny change to debian... |
| 09:01.40 | hardfalcon | kubuntu was just too easy.... |
| 09:02.03 | streuner_ | robin_sz: well, the problem is that many people think, debian-based means, they are all equal.. |
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| 09:02.40 | hardfalcon | uhh |
| 09:02.48 | hardfalcon | i'm afraid you don't understand me... |
| 09:02.51 | robin_sz | debian will support debian kernels and even custom kernels built from debian source ... customising a debian kernel is not any harder than in any other distro ... |
| 09:02.59 | hardfalcon | at the moment, i'm using kubuntu |
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| 09:03.13 | hardfalcon | but i want to use my own kernels |
| 09:03.28 | hardfalcon | based o the newest kernel releases from kernel.org |
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| 09:03.31 | ea1abz | USERS |
| 09:03.33 | kevix | hardfalcon: Debian allow you to allow you to not use a debian kernel, you just have to make sure to fix any problems that arise. |
| 09:03.41 | hardfalcon | so i'm gonna change to debian |
| 09:03.42 | robin_sz | so, install debian, install the debian kernel source package, compile it, make a kernel .deb ... |
| 09:03.44 | ChrisW | is there a debian channel that could help with natives of the philipines? |
| 09:04.07 | streuner_ | ChrsW: hardly, just ask in english. |
| 09:04.09 | peterS | ChrisW: you mean speaking tagalog? not that I know of |
| 09:04.10 | hardfalcon | @robin_sz: exactly that what i already did under kubuntu |
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| 09:04.16 | kevix | ChrisW: do you mean one that speaks tagalog? |
| 09:04.20 | hardfalcon | but kubuntu didn't even boot with my kernel |
| 09:04.42 | hardfalcon | because i couldn't compile it with the ubuntu-specific patches |
| 09:04.58 | ChrisW | peterS: well, visaya, actually... got some guy on #zope, who's tried to manually delete a package and has got himself in a mess... his english ain't that great :-S |
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| 09:05.19 | wols | hardfalcon: debian can use vanilla kernels just fine |
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| 09:06.20 | splattnik | vanilla is the shit =) |
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| 09:06.23 | hardfalcon | i don't want a vanilla kernel |
| 09:06.31 | hardfalcon | i want 2.6.16.11 |
| 09:06.39 | manas | Hi. I installed sarge base system. Upgraded it to sid. I cannot get xserver-xorg to install. Pre-install script fails with exit status 10. Rest of the xserver packages installed just fine. x11-common is installed. what is going wrong ? |
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| 09:07.17 | tralala | I have a CD that cannot be read. How can I tell if it is blank or damaged? Is there some sort of "disc info" programme? |
| 09:07.42 | dondelelcaro | tralala: a burned cd? |
| 09:07.43 | splattnik | hardfalcon: and you cant find 2.6.16.11 on kernel.org? |
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| 09:08.06 | kevix | ChrisW: there is at least one Debian/ubuntu developers in .ph: http://zakame.spunge.org/blog |
| 09:08.09 | hardfalcon | of course i found it |
| 09:08.11 | tralala | dondelelcaro: that's the question. I don't know if it is burned or not. |
| 09:08.13 | hardfalcon | i even compiled it |
| 09:08.17 | dondelelcaro | tralala: if it's a burned cd, you can just look at the surface and see what been done to it; alternatively, you can use cdrecord to figure it out. |
| 09:08.22 | hardfalcon | but kubuntu didnt boot with it |
| 09:08.43 | ChrisW | kevix: thanks.. |
| 09:08.45 | hardfalcon | it only produced a screen mode which isn't supported by my TFT |
| 09:09.12 | hardfalcon | not even konsole mode came onto my screen |
| 09:09.22 | sphenxes | I am copying some data to DVD using K3B. I am getting an error: file name is longer than 103 characters. I have files with very long name, how can I copy them using k3b. |
| 09:09.23 | hardfalcon | (so what they call recovery mode) |
| 09:09.24 | tralala | dondelelcaro: what if it's blank? How can I tell that? |
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| 09:10.09 | dondelelcaro | tralala: you just look at the surface; it's pretty easy to see the pattern that burning sticks into a disk. Trying to burn onto the disk will also tell you. |
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| 09:11.36 | tralala | dondelelcaro: all right. But is there a programme that will give me some disc info like - blank, burned, multisession, closed, size, etc. ? |
| 09:11.41 | MatBoy | kevix, I get errors on the vfat, msdos filesystems while mounting the card. What do you think I can try ? |
| 09:11.59 | dondelelcaro | tralala: cdrecord will tell you some of that information as well. |
| 09:12.10 | flosch | hi |
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| 09:12.29 | pinky_ | Can I use jigdo to update my sarge 3.1r1 DVD to etch beta2 DVD? Or can it only update discs from similar images (ie not across release ike from sarge --> etch)? |
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| 09:13.26 | tralala | dondelelcaro: okay, thanks |
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| 09:15.32 | krassy1809 | hi all |
| 09:15.48 | hardfalcon | hi |
| 09:16.23 | splattnik | im wondering about one thing, when using btlaunchmanycurses or any of the btclients from bittorndo in cmdline it feels like the speed is limited. but when using the grafical client the speed behaves more normally. |
| 09:16.49 | splattnik | is this normal? |
| 09:16.49 | krassy1809 | I can`t eject my CDROM what is can be the problem ? |
| 09:17.04 | dondelelcaro | splattnik: use rtorrent instead; the speed can be limited if you want too, but I've gotten 1M/s with btlaunchmany... |
| 09:17.08 | stoned | I just set firefox to open torrents directly with bittornado-gui |
| 09:17.21 | splattnik | krassy1809: unmount it. |
| 09:17.23 | stoned | it works perfectly, I SUCK those torrents down literally |
| 09:17.41 | krassy1809 | thnax |
| 09:17.46 | menko | I have my cdrom unlocked, so I can eject it if it's mounted |
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| 09:17.50 | menko | not sure how safe it is... |
| 09:18.33 | brotherJohn1234 | menko: if you eject - does the mountpoint disapear ? |
| 09:18.56 | menko | brotherJohn1234: it stays mounted, if that's what you mean |
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| 09:19.46 | splattnik | my fault btlaunchmany works as it should but when running seperate torrents in terminal it seems slower then running it with btdownloadgui. |
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| 09:20.58 | _joey | is there tip application available on Debian? |
| 09:21.54 | yetistomps | I have a USB logitech headset (much like a telephone operator). Is there a way to use it in debian? |
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| 09:26.39 | cahoot | yetistomps: yes surely - snd-usb-audio if you use alsa |
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| 09:27.32 | yetistomps | cahoot, actually i see my Logitech usb in kmix and Volume control.. However I can't hear anything.. i am trying to see if I need to configure something else or not. |
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| 09:28.08 | cahoot | yetistomps: is it your only sound device? |
| 09:28.46 | cahoot | yetistomps: and do you use alsa? |
| 09:28.50 | yetistomps | cahoot, no it isn't, I have an SB LIve sound card. I plan to use this headset for communicating with my family in ITaly via skype. |
| 09:28.55 | yetistomps | cahoot, yes. alsa. |
| 09:29.38 | cahoot | yetistomps: check /proc/asound/cards to see what device number |
| 09:30.23 | yetistomps | E: Couldn't find package proc |
| 09:31.14 | cahoot | yetistomps: cat /proc/asound/cards to see what device number |
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| 09:31.15 | yetistomps | cahoot, Logitech Logitech USB Headset at usb-0000:00:07.2-1, full |
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| 09:31.20 | cahoot | yetistomps: card0 or card1? |
| 09:31.35 | yetistomps | cahoot, 1 |
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| 09:31.55 | yetistomps | cahoot, 0 is SB live 5.1 |
| 09:32.01 | cahoot | yetistomps: test aplay -d hw:1 /usr/share/sounds/*wav |
| 09:32.15 | TraceGreen | Hello, what package of java-runtime in Debian? |
| 09:32.48 | wols | none. due to license issues |
| 09:32.52 | wols | !java |
| 09:32.52 | dpkg | from memory, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 09:33.13 | yetistomps | cahoot, i c the sounds scroll on my terminal but i cannot hear anything. |
| 09:33.23 | TraceGreen | dpkg, thanks |
| 09:33.23 | dpkg | TraceGreen: pas de quoi |
| 09:33.40 | wols | msg dpkg tell TraceGreen about install java |
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| 09:33.41 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 09:33.44 | yetistomps | cahoot, could it that it tries to use sblive?... I should be able to hear it though. |
| 09:33.50 | wols | oops :) |
| 09:34.05 | cahoot | yetistomps: set levels with alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 09:34.38 | ccamacho | does some body else in here know fortran? |
| 09:34.41 | yos87 | when I try to search through locate , I have this error locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 09:34.53 | wols | yos87: run updatedb |
| 09:35.10 | yos87 | wols: ok, thank you |
| 09:35.36 | yetistomps | cahoot, checking.. |
| 09:35.56 | wols | by default it runs every morning at 6:10am or so. if your machine isn't running then it won't get run. maybe look into anacron |
| 09:36.45 | CAiRO | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.20 | yetistomps | cahoot, when i start alsamixer I c SBLIVe card as default.. is there a way to change it (back and forth of course) |
| 09:37.34 | cahoot | yetistomps: alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 09:38.33 | yetistomps | cahoot, yup.. both levels are 90% |
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| 09:39.08 | yetistomps | cahoot, i think it's only for mic use.. in other words... not for listenening anything else? Not sure. |
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| 09:40.35 | yetistomps | cahoot, thanks for your help though. |
| 09:40.36 | trimordiah | lo |
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| 09:41.17 | trimordiah | does someone knows something like gtkdialog, but better than it? (i have a lot of troubles for making buttons acts as i want) |
| 09:42.23 | minerale | what's with all the pdpc cloaks, what are they? #pdpc is empty |
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| 09:46.40 | cahoot | yetistomps: don't happen to have a device on the cable that regulates sound also? |
| 09:47.22 | yetistomps | cahoot, no unfortunately. |
| 09:47.59 | cahoot | yetistomps: got alsaplayer installed? |
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| 09:48.08 | yetistomps | cahoot, checking... |
| 09:48.47 | yetistomps | cahoot, apt-getting it. |
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| 09:49.25 | cahoot | yetistomps: then try: alsaplayer -d hw:1 /usr/share/sounds/*wav |
| 09:50.09 | yetistomps | cahoot, ok! that works... :-) But the question is how do i set it with Skype.. lol |
| 09:50.11 | CAiRO | how can i make german umlauts work in vim? when i use mcedit they work as expected on the same system |
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| 09:50.40 | cahoot | yetistomps: ok the device works - skype can use it as /dev/dsp1 |
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| 09:51.17 | yetistomps | cahoot, got it.. :-) I am about to test it... |
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| 09:52.34 | yetistomps | cahoot, thank u. I appreciate your help. Now if i can find something to test it with.. :-) |
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| 09:52.50 | ootput | five0: hi |
| 09:54.43 | cahoot | yetistomps: to make sure the devices get consistent numbering between reboots - add options snd-emu10k1index=0 and options snd-usb-audioindex=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
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| 09:55.13 | yetistomps | cahoot, doing it now... |
| 09:56.35 | yetistomps | cahoot, that file does not exist.. Create it? or ? |
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| 09:57.11 | cahoot | yetistomps: hm - got alsa-base there? |
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| 09:57.29 | yetistomps | cahoot, yup. |
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| 09:57.58 | cahoot | yetistomps: try put the lines there then - is this sarge? |
| 09:58.08 | yetistomps | cahoot, err.. testing.. |
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| 09:59.16 | cahoot | yetistomps: ok I've got both those files (etch/testing) not sure which one is native to what version |
| 09:59.32 | menko | aha! esp ghostscript isn't installed... |
| 09:59.40 | menko | according to the log at least |
| 10:00.16 | yetistomps | cahoot, this is amazing though. I should be able to talk to my family while listening to music. |
| 10:00.25 | TheBest | how can i upgrade MySQL version 4.1.11 5.x |
| 10:00.33 | TheBest | how can i upgrade MySQL version 4.1.11 to 5.x |
| 10:00.39 | menko | anyone know what the package name for that is |
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| 10:00.40 | menko | ? |
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| 10:02.01 | cahoot | gs-esp? |
| 10:02.19 | menko | seems that is installed |
| 10:02.19 | tralala | TheBest: running sarge? |
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| 10:02.37 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 10:03.03 | elvirolo | anyone knows if this bug ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23364798 ) has been taken into consideration? |
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| 10:03.21 | elvirolo | i'd like to send a comment to confirm it but i don't know how to do that |
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| 10:03.45 | TheBest | tralala Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 10:04.01 | ramiro | exit |
| 10:04.19 | tralala | TheBest: mysql 5 is available from backports.org |
| 10:05.03 | TheBest | then i must update sources.list |
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| 10:05.09 | TheBest | from backports.org |
| 10:05.13 | tralala | indeed |
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| 10:07.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:07.44 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:09.54 | yetistomps | cahoot, do u know of a worthy nzb application? nzb.sourceforge. is broken. I tried it. |
| 10:09.56 | pinky_ | If I have an etch beta2 install, when etch becomes stable can I just update all the packages from a mirror so it will essentially be like I installed the system from scratch with a 3.2 etch stable CD/DVD? |
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| 10:11.46 | trimordiah | does someone knows a good tool to create gui from a shell script and make it interact with the script? i tried gtkdialog, but it cause me troubles with the way it manages the interaction with the script (can't launch internal functions when a button is clicked, things like that) |
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| 10:11.56 | Nikolay | pinky_: at the most part of the distribution. Some packages from mirror can be more fresh then etch stable DVDs. |
| 10:12.11 | cahoot | yetistomps: sorry can't eve guess what nzb is |
| 10:12.12 | Nikolay | trimordiah: zanity? |
| 10:12.21 | myboxen | good morning all |
| 10:12.29 | trimordiah | Nikolay, zanity? i take a look |
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| 10:12.54 | menko | trimordiah: zenity, not zanity |
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| 10:12.56 | yetistomps | cahoot, it's like consolidating newsgroups files into ONE file (that .nzb file will get all the files needed for your app) |
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| 10:13.20 | trimordiah | menko, ok |
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| 10:13.59 | pinky_ | Nikolay: I'm wondering if I would be out of date when etch goes to stable, I guess is what I'm asking. I know mirrors would be more up to date soon after etch goes stable. |
| 10:14.07 | myboxen | trimordiah: does it need to be shell script, perl and GTK+ work very well |
| 10:14.31 | pinky_ | Nikolay: I just want to know if I'll be able to update my system to everything etch has when it moves stable just by getting packages from mirrors. |
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| 10:15.14 | _rene_ | sure, why not? if you have the right sources.list entry. aka write "etch" there |
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| 10:16.18 | sepski | pinky_, that is how it is. it's normaly not needed to resintall a debian sytem. |
| 10:16.20 | wols | pinky_: yes, you can easily upgrade to etch when it comes out |
| 10:16.58 | pinky_ | Okay, great. Clean package management can do wonders. ;] |
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| 10:17.12 | tarzeau | i've got an askey magic tvtuner cph05x/bt878 what's the kernel module parameters i need that it works, 2.6 linux kernel? |
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| 10:17.31 | [6502] | hello... how can I install the italian locale on a debian sarge ? |
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| 10:17.45 | Nikolay | trimordiah: But for more then "just simple dialog" is harder to build from the shell-script. Usually is used tcl/tk, perl/tk, pythin/gtk and some others was for building a simplex GUI. |
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| 10:18.11 | Karnaugh | hai2u |
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| 10:18.38 | Karnaugh | can I add more disks to an md Raid-0 set without losing data etc? |
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| 10:19.30 | Nikolay | [6502]: Does 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' command not prompted you about your favorite locales? |
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| 10:20.30 | Karnaugh | Malagmyr: it reffers to "breaking stuff" :P |
| 10:20.32 | dreamil|lab | hi again |
| 10:20.45 | dreamil|lab | i downgraded from unstable to testing |
| 10:20.53 | dreamil|lab | but my X doesnt start |
| 10:21.11 | Nikolay | dreamil|lab: with reason? |
| 10:21.13 | [6502] | nikolay: thanx, i'm trying right now |
| 10:21.21 | Karnaugh | dreamil|lab: thats terrible, hope you fix it |
| 10:21.32 | Karnaugh | (might want to look at the error message) |
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| 10:21.39 | dreamil|lab | Nikolay: i was told that xorg is broken in unstable |
| 10:21.52 | dreamil|lab | Karnaugh: wait |
| 10:21.55 | Karnaugh | dreamil|lab: I'm using it as we speak, so no |
| 10:22.02 | [6502] | nikolay: i expected something like "apt-get install locale-it", but apparently this was the "old" method |
| 10:22.40 | Nikolay | dreamil|lab: if you downgraded sucessful, you have 6.9 xorg package. I have used this package without any problems. |
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| 10:23.44 | Nikolay | [6502]: Yep. Only you need is 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and appropriate xfonts for your locales set. |
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| 10:24.29 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 10:24.55 | SHarpa | help, i've tried to tell lilo to boot with usb pen.. but i get L 04 04 04 whats that?? |
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| 10:24.59 | Karnaugh | dreamil|lab: one problem I did have a little while ago, is when hotplug got replaced with.. uhm udev? anyway that didn't work, so simply installing hotplug again fixed it |
| 10:25.18 | tuxipuxi | hi how can i change the hostname after the promp in bash? tried editing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname but it stays the same |
| 10:25.32 | Karnaugh | SHarpa: its telling you "Lilo sucks" |
| 10:25.39 | [6502] | nikolay: thankyou. now my qt app works correctly |
| 10:25.51 | dreamil|lab | Karnaugh: when i dot startx |
| 10:25.53 | dreamil|lab | i get this |
| 10:25.57 | superlinux | w.r.t. pppoe-server : if i used "ifconfig pppX down" for a user that logged to my server earlier it wont disconnect him right away.. what should i do? |
| 10:26.06 | Nikolay | Karnaugh: hotplug is deprecated now. Udev is all of us ;o) |
| 10:26.16 | SHarpa | Karnaugh?? |
| 10:26.20 | SHarpa | Karnaugh: what's the solution? |
| 10:26.32 | superlinux | what should i do to make it disconnect suddenly |
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| 10:26.42 | Karnaugh | Nikolay: no one told me though :/ |
| 10:26.49 | trimordiah | myboxen, i don't know perl |
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| 10:27.23 | Karnaugh | anyway, I will leave this place, it moves too quickly for me |
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| 10:27.31 | dreamil|lab | Karnaugh: xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) : unable to conect to X server |
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| 10:28.52 | siara | jest ktoœ z polski :(? |
| 10:29.08 | Ronin | !pl |
| 10:29.08 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 10:29.27 | dreamil|lab | i downgraded from unstable to testing |
| 10:29.29 | dreamil|lab | but my X doesnt start |
| 10:29.30 | siara | hmmmm |
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| 10:29.35 | dreamil|lab | when i dot startx |
| 10:29.39 | krassy1809 | Can i write and shitch between two languages in KDE ? |
| 10:29.41 | dreamil|lab | xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) : unable to conect to X server |
| 10:29.59 | krassy1809 | switch - sorry |
| 10:30.42 | Nikolay | dreamil|lab: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log file for lines with EE prefix. |
| 10:31.58 | dreamil|lab | ouch! there is no such file |
| 10:32.02 | dreamil|lab | whats wrong ? |
| 10:32.13 | dreamil|lab | there is XFree86.0.log |
| 10:32.50 | myboxen | SHarpa: are you sure there is a good boot partition on your usb stick? |
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| 10:35.19 | Nikolay | dreamil|lab: XFree? Hum. You have xfree86 server instead for xorg? Hum. Ok -- then check for EE lines the XFree86 log file. |
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| 10:36.40 | pinky_ | On a Debian mirror, what is the directory "pool" for? I'm downloading an etch beta2 DVD using jigdo, and it seems to be pulling the packages from the debian/pool/main/ directory on the mirror. |
| 10:36.52 | pinky_ | Is this the right directory for testing/etch? |
| 10:37.10 | Nikolay | Why not? |
| 10:37.30 | pinky_ | Nikolay: Was that in response to me? |
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| 10:38.04 | Noboru | i can't believe the installer in debian sarge has changed a lot |
| 10:38.12 | tdn | Why doesn't pure-ftpd in Debian Stable support files with size > 2GB? |
| 10:38.17 | Noboru | i like the old one i mean ;( |
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| 10:39.04 | Nikolay | pinky_: yes. If you've downloaded official mirror of the distribution, then, I believe, all directory structure if officially right too. |
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| 10:39.19 | yetistomps | what pkgs do i need to apt-get in order to compile programs from scratch? |
| 10:39.33 | AciD | gcc? |
| 10:39.44 | jethro | yetistomps: build-essential |
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| 10:39.51 | yetistomps | jethro, thanks :-) |
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| 10:39.58 | pinky_ | Nikolay: Okay, but I'm getting the testing DVD. jigdo is getting all these packages from this official mirror's debian/pool/main/ directory. Is that were testing packages go? |
| 10:40.13 | vin` | pinky_: what kind of network do you have? |
| 10:40.27 | pinky_ | I mean shouldn't it be debian/dists/etch/ or something? |
| 10:40.36 | Nikolay | Noboru: where you saw the changes in the installer? I have tryed woody and sarge installed and do not found any serious differs? |
| 10:40.42 | pinky_ | vin`: I'm on a DSL line, why? |
| 10:41.20 | vin` | pinky_: you could try the netinstaller or the business card image, getting the whole DVD is pointless, too much flux. |
| 10:42.32 | Noboru | geez,i cant believe it,after a default install my debian is connecting to the network sucessfully and starting to download files ,which Cute ! |
| 10:42.48 | pinky_ | vin`: I see what you are saying. Get the packages during install instead of now... but I like having stuff locally on a disc in case of emergencies or situations where I don't have a fast connection available. |
| 10:42.49 | Noboru | i remember it took me a long time to figure it out before hehe |
| 10:43.06 | Noboru | Nikolay,really ? weird |
| 10:43.13 | pinky_ | Plus I've never used jigdo before and wanted to see how it worked ;) |
| 10:43.22 | Noboru | Nikolay,or maybe its due to a VMWARE installation hmm |
| 10:43.42 | Noboru | Nikolay,so this time i couldn't get into the console mode to partition |
| 10:43.52 | Noboru | i didnt find how |
| 10:44.14 | Noboru | plus that, i didnt see an option there asks me to select in which mode to install debian sarge |
| 10:44.23 | pinky_ | vin`: I'm just wondering what the debian/pool/ directory is used for on official Debian mirrors. (ie Why is it accessing this directory to create my etch disc and not debian/dists/etch/ or debian/dists/testing/?) |
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| 10:44.28 | Noboru | but it just started installing automatically, hmm |
| 10:44.46 | Nikolay | Noboru: May be "expert" mode can helps you? |
| 10:44.59 | Noboru | i didn't see that one either |
| 10:45.19 | Noboru | i mean i am convinced that im familiar with the installer in woody and in potato |
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| 10:46.39 | Nikolay | Noboru: Do you have tryed "expert-mode"? I found this mode much complicated with woody installer. |
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| 10:48.27 | Nikolay | As far I remember, this is linux26 expert command on the first installer prompt. |
| 10:48.28 | Nikolay | As far I remember, this is 'linux26 expert' command on the first installer prompt. |
| 10:48.30 | Noboru | Nikolay,i haven't |
| 10:48.44 | Noboru | actually,i used to do basic installation of debian |
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| 10:48.57 | Noboru | the scratch the rest of stuff i want by using apt-get |
| 10:49.01 | dreamil|lab | Nikolay: ok |
| 10:49.12 | Noboru | so that i have the chance to install the minimal packages |
| 10:49.32 | Noboru | im very sensitive with installing a lot of other stuff i dont need ,i.e., when was in RH |
| 10:50.42 | pinky_ | Nikolay: I believe it is "expert26" |
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| 10:50.54 | menko | hellooo, everytime I try to print, my printer prints the page twice. Does anyone know of this bug in unstable? Could it be a problem with my configuration |
| 10:50.54 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.56 | menko | ? |
| 10:50.59 | pinky_ | And "linux26" is the normal mode for 2.6 kernels |
| 10:51.19 | dreamil|lab | Nikolay: strange, i have xserver-xorg packages installed |
| 10:52.18 | Malagmyr | !tell menko about unstable |
| 10:52.21 | Malagmyr | !tell menko about bts |
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| 10:53.10 | Nikolay | dreamil|lab: what about xservr-xfree86? This package is installed too? |
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| 10:53.31 | dreamil|lab | no |
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| 10:53.38 | dreamil|lab | Nikolay: it is not installed |
| 10:53.40 | lewis | what characters shouldn't I have in a text file, when opening it with php? I have php echoing out one random line at a time from the file, and there is one line which it doesn't spit out, and I am trying to locate it. |
| 10:55.04 | Nikolay | lewis: does this server really have no #php channel? |
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| 10:56.13 | lewis | I asked there, and no response yet - just thought I'd ask in here too. |
| 10:56.32 | tarzeau | what's the tuner type good for in bttv module? the picture? |
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| 10:57.44 | TonicGL | Can anyone explain me what I should to do to get tomcat5 sample webapps working? apt-get install tomcat5, etc.. start, but I see blank screen when trying to access /admin app.. wth? |
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| 10:58.51 | petemc | TonicGL: checked out /usr/shar/doc/tomcat5* |
| 10:58.56 | petemc | share |
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| 10:59.08 | nakeee | are there plan for compiling metacity with composite support? |
| 10:59.20 | Noboru | debian Rocks |
| 11:00.39 | noid | is there a way to remove obsolete kernels besides manually deleting the files (after doing apt-get remove)? |
| 11:00.40 | justen | hey, anyone knows which program can i use to remote control and X session (another than VNC)? |
| 11:01.00 | petemc | justen: nxserver |
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| 11:01.16 | Nikolay | noid: dpkg --purge package_name? |
| 11:01.22 | justen | ok thx, ill have a look |
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| 11:02.42 | noid | Nikolay: shouldn't apt-get remove -purge package invoke that? because it uninstalled the package but left the files there *scratches head* |
| 11:03.48 | tarzeau | how can i record from line in? |
| 11:03.51 | Nikolay | noid: apt-get remove --purge is the same. But if apt-get remove is already done, only dpkg --purge can be invoked. |
| 11:04.25 | noid | Nikolay: ah ok, you meant after that |
| 11:04.28 | noid | gonna try |
| 11:04.31 | cahoot | tarzeau: arecord is simplest |
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| 11:05.05 | tarzeau | cahoot: what package? |
| 11:05.31 | emergo | anyone know why I cant follow symlink on a mounted disk (smbmount) |
| 11:05.43 | tarzeau | what's wrong when wmtune says No radio card present, but i have one (gradio works) |
| 11:05.43 | cahoot | tarzeau: alsa-tools/utils don't know which (supposed alsa here) |
| 11:06.00 | tarzeau | cahoot: thanks, getting both |
| 11:06.40 | tarzeau | ah bts has solution to it |
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| 11:06.58 | tarzeau | cahoot: very cool! exactly what i want, i can dump the stream into some mp3/ogg encoder |
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| 11:11.07 | Noboru | i still dont understand the exact difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:11.15 | Noboru | would someone explain it for me ? |
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| 11:11.37 | Angels2 | upgrade = upgrad, dist-upgrade = upgrade to a new "portage" tree |
| 11:11.44 | _rene_ | wrong |
| 11:11.49 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 11:11.49 | _rene_ | RTF man apt-get |
| 11:11.52 | Angels2 | okay your turn :P |
| 11:11.54 | Noboru | portage ? |
| 11:11.55 | petemc | Noboru: its in the man page for apt-get |
| 11:12.06 | _rene_ | upgrade does only upgrade packages |
| 11:12.13 | Noboru | oh |
| 11:12.16 | _rene_ | dist-upgrade also removed/installs new ones if necessary |
| 11:12.27 | Nikolay | apt-get dist-upgrade is deprecated now. 'aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade' is all of us ;) |
| 11:12.34 | _rene_ | because for example a conflict is there or a package has a new dependency |
| 11:12.57 | _rene_ | Nikolay: for inter-distri upgrades, yes. |
| 11:13.11 | Noboru | so if not in case ,we should always avoid doing apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:13.15 | _rene_ | Nikolay: in sid->sid or etch->etch it doesn't really matter |
| 11:13.31 | _rene_ | Nikolay: no, often (in sid/etch) it's necessary |
| 11:13.33 | _rene_ | args |
| 11:13.40 | _rene_ | Noboru: no, often (in sid/etch) it's necessary |
| 11:13.53 | _rene_ | Noboru: on sarge of course it isn't. "upgrade" there is ok |
| 11:14.04 | Noboru | I see |
| 11:14.16 | _rene_ | Noboru: except when you want to upgrade to a new stable at some time wherte you of course want dist-upgrade |
| 11:14.23 | _rene_ | next time please RTFM yourself, thanks :) |
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| 11:14.35 | Noboru | _rene_Thank you for the info :) |
| 11:14.42 | Noboru | i understood it now completely |
| 11:15.07 | _jake | hey |
| 11:15.18 | damianmyst | re |
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| 11:16.38 | superlinux | back |
| 11:16.54 | superlinux | w.r.t. pppoe-server : if i used "ifconfig pppX down" for a user that logged to my server earlier it wont disconnect him right away.. what should i do to forc sudden disconnection? |
| 11:17.26 | bas | I'm having trouble setting up exim. I want all outbound mail to be send to one and the same user.. how can i set this up? with /etc/aliases? or somewhere in /etc/exim4? |
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| 11:18.18 | Alver | 'ello. xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.15_all.deb errors out when upgrading... is it worth forcing, or should I wait? |
| 11:18.36 | Gnea | Alver: /topic |
| 11:18.37 | superlinux | bas i think no one has good experiance in serious problems damn |
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| 11:19.16 | Alver | Gnea: nothing relevant to the question there |
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| 11:19.34 | Gnea | Alver: then you didn't read it. |
| 11:19.36 | Alver | Meh, I'll just wait. I'll probably not restart X before a new update is there anyway |
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| 11:19.41 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.47 | Gnea | it says it right there. |
| 11:19.57 | Gnea | i have xorg 7.0 working just fine |
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| 11:20.09 | Gnea | and it's because i read that |
| 11:20.16 | Alver | Gnea: if that is an answer to the question I posed, you need an update of your basic english skills. |
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| 11:20.27 | Alver | Here too. I just wondered if the package was borked, or it was a local issue. |
| 11:20.27 | benderz0r | xorg7 works better than fine :) |
| 11:20.50 | Alver | benderz0r: heh :) |
| 11:20.52 | Gnea | Alver: you need to stop acting like a tyrant and go fix your shit. |
| 11:21.07 | Alver | Gnea: that was the whole question, foo. |
| 11:21.09 | benderz0r | have they fixed the xserver-xorg package yet? |
| 11:21.21 | benderz0r | ended up just patching this morning |
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| 11:21.35 | Gnea | Alver: you will stop all harrassment at this time. |
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| 11:22.09 | Alver | And vice versa, I hope. benderz0r: did it need to be fixed? Probably the same I am experiencing now then. |
| 11:22.17 | oskie | i'm having font troubles in firefox 1.5.02 on debian unstable. many unicode chars don't render correctly - e.g. http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/unicode/unidata02.html is 99.9% "boxes" |
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| 11:22.24 | bkudria | can someone help me with http://pastebin.com/692025 ? |
| 11:22.31 | benderz0r | Alver: do you get a signal 20 or similar? |
| 11:22.38 | yetistomps | oskie, hence..unstable. |
| 11:22.45 | benderz0r | if so look at the bugtracker for xserver-xorg for the patch |
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| 11:22.57 | Alver | benderz0r: dpkg errored on --unpack. |
| 11:22.59 | Gnea | !bts |
| 11:22.59 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 11:23.02 | benderz0r | not sure if they have fixed the package yet but it was related to some users lack of no mouse setup files |
| 11:23.17 | benderz0r | Alver: yeah thats the one |
| 11:23.29 | Gnea | benderz0r: it's okay, he's illiterate, good luck. |
| 11:23.36 | Alver | benderz0r: aha. Better not force it then I guess. |
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| 11:23.40 | benderz0r | you'll have to use ar and tar to get the package out (as --unpack doesn't work...blatantly) then rebuild the package and isntall it |
| 11:23.50 | Alver | Gnea: I thought you mentioned something about harrassment? |
| 11:23.55 | benderz0r | Alver: haha, try it |
| 11:24.00 | benderz0r | it wont work |
| 11:24.00 | oskie | yetistomps: hence I ask |
| 11:24.07 | Gnea | Alver: consider yourself ignored. now drop it already. |
| 11:24.09 | Alver | benderz0r: I'll wait. I'm not in a hurry. |
| 11:24.14 | benderz0r | besides it is just a dummy package, so if you could force it most things would probably work |
| 11:24.20 | Alver | Awww. :) |
| 11:24.26 | Alver | Mmm, good point. |
| 11:24.27 | benderz0r | Gnea: heh, *gives you a muffin* |
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| 11:24.37 | Gnea | !beer benderz0r |
| 11:24.47 | benderz0r | Alver: I was in a hurry this morning, was a real bitch to be honest...I assume they'll have it fixed on the main mirrors by tomorrow |
| 11:24.56 | benderz0r | :D |
| 11:25.20 | Alver | Fine by me. Next thing to fix, kmail. Hmpf. |
| 11:25.48 | bkudria | can someone help me with http://pastebin.com/692025 ? xorg crashes, and i can't find any info...should i file a bug? |
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| 11:26.07 | benderz0r | funnily enough setting up debian from a netinstall and putting on a very complex program that has lots of deps and things that need compiling from source and many kernel updates was easier than trying to use ubuntu for a simple desktop :P |
| 11:26.07 | oskie | what's the gnome unicode font display program called? |
| 11:27.19 | Alver | bkudria: you'll need a post a full log there, not just a part |
| 11:27.38 | bkudria | Alver: oh, oops. i'm no whiz at the command line |
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| 11:27.51 | bkudria | Alver: unfortunatly, i have to go now |
| 11:27.58 | bkudria | Alver: thanks, i'll try again later! |
| 11:28.07 | Alver | O-kay. |
| 11:28.10 | Alver | heh |
| 11:28.36 | Gnea | well that was retarded. the whole thing's already been solved, and if people would just go to the URL like they have been to get it fixed, there wouldn't be this problem. |
| 11:28.39 | Gnea | !troll Alver |
| 11:28.51 | Gnea | !ops Alver is offtopic and offering misleading help |
| 11:28.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Alver is offtopic and offering misleading help |
| 11:29.10 | Alver | I have a feeling I hurt Gnea's ego |
| 11:29.35 | Gnea | Alver: you were warned about this. |
| 11:29.45 | superlinux | Gnea do u have any experiance in pppoe-server? |
| 11:29.59 | benderz0r | Alver: I have a feeling you are probably just a whinging newb, though I haven't read up...though it does seem simple to get on Gnea's bad side, not that I blame him/her |
| 11:29.59 | Gnea | superlinux: kind of. what's up? |
| 11:30.09 | Alver | Gnea: I consider myself ignored by you, that's all. |
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| 11:30.29 | Alver | benderz0r: not really... I just react badly to needless arrogance |
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| 11:31.26 | benderz0r | hmm |
| 11:31.32 | Gnea | can't help those who don't want to be helped. |
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| 11:31.40 | Gnea | or those who can't help themselves. |
| 11:31.42 | _ThePiratemaster | if i have a default debian apache2 install, should having http://pastebin.com/692034 in my apache2.cond just actuvate directory indexing? |
| 11:32.11 | indix | hi |
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| 11:32.19 | hugleo | test |
| 11:32.29 | Gnea | _ThePiratemaster: having 'Options Indexes' is enough to do it |
| 11:32.44 | _ThePiratemaster | well it wont work...? |
| 11:32.44 | Gnea | _ThePiratemaster: so yes |
| 11:32.51 | Gnea | did you restart apache? |
| 11:32.55 | _ThePiratemaster | hmm strange O_o |
| 11:32.59 | _ThePiratemaster | yep |
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| 11:33.51 | Gnea | try just 'Options Indexes' by itself and see what happens |
| 11:34.12 | Gnea | _ThePiratemaster: you may also need to hold down shift while reloading |
| 11:34.12 | benderz0r | Gnea: another debian user and myself have found an obscure problem with networking...though it's a bit weird to demostrate: should I file a bug for it or should I get in direct contact with some one to show it to them? |
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| 11:34.39 | Alver | Anyway, back to work it is. benderz0r: thanks for answering. |
| 11:35.00 | Gnea | benderz0r: i would definately hit up the BTS first |
| 11:35.13 | benderz0r | Gnea: okay cool |
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| 11:35.28 | Gnea | benderz0r: is it concentrated around any specific package(s) or in the protocols themselves? |
| 11:35.59 | benderz0r | Gnea: it seems to be specific to the 2.6.16 kernel and ifconfig |
| 11:36.19 | Gnea | benderz0r: is that a linux-image or did you compile it yourself? |
| 11:36.22 | benderz0r | the ip address you assign works fine though the one reported by ifconfig is an auto assign |
| 11:36.29 | benderz0r | linux-image |
| 11:36.56 | benderz0r | have got the problem on the mates computer, though mine doesn't have it, and this box I did today has it |
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| 11:37.17 | Gnea | ok, so the system is getting its ip alright via dhcp, but it's not talking to the 'net? |
| 11:37.22 | benderz0r | we are looking to see if there is an easy fix though it isn't specific to our configurations |
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| 11:37.47 | benderz0r | no, the ip's are all right...if you get them statically or via dhcp |
| 11:37.54 | RichiH | can anyone tell me what the ops facoitd wass about? |
| 11:37.55 | Gnea | it probably is easy, but different regions have different problems, so we need to troubleshoot it :) |
| 11:37.58 | benderz0r | they just don't 'look' right, I'll give you an example |
| 11:38.06 | RichiH | this mac refuses to show the last line of anything i want to read |
| 11:38.11 | Gnea | benderz0r: ok |
| 11:38.48 | benderz0r | Gnea: okay this computer is statically set to 192.168.1.113 and I sshed in from that address to get this... yet ifconfig reports inet addr:169.254.240.253 |
| 11:39.19 | Gnea | RichiH: someone came in asking about the problems with Xorg 7, which are clearly outlined on the website that's listed in the /topic. i referred him to that and he said it was 100% irrelevent and proceeded to blast me for it rather than getting into the problem itself. |
| 11:39.56 | benderz0r | Gnea: erm that xserver-xorg isn't listed on the wiki (or the quick look I had then) though it is in bts |
| 11:41.06 | Gnea | benderz0r: okay, that's an automatically-generated IP that's set to a network device when it can't detect a physical connection, so it's like a loopback address - it means any multitude of things, most likely an ethernet cable isn't plugged in all the way, or maybe the wrong cable is being used... bad hub/switch perhaps |
| 11:41.12 | Gnea | benderz0r: observe. |
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| 11:41.21 | RichiH | Gnea: still here? |
| 11:41.26 | RichiH | the guy, i mean |
| 11:41.33 | Gnea | naw, he took off |
| 11:41.47 | Gnea | benderz0r: clicking on http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable and the FIRST thing listed are 'X bugs' |
| 11:41.55 | benderz0r | Gnea: I'm a unix sys admin of a very large network...I know what it means ;) |
| 11:42.19 | Gnea | Common problems upgrading from xorg 6.9 to 7.0 are being documented in Xorg69To7. <-- how idiot-proof is that?! :) |
| 11:42.24 | benderz0r | what I'm saying is that myself and another guy have been over a ot of the usual things and we still cannot narrow it down |
| 11:42.25 | Gnea | benderz0r: lol, sorry, i did not know |
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| 11:42.41 | ronove | Is there a program in the debian repositories to make a so called screenmovie? |
| 11:42.43 | Gnea | benderz0r: how many nics are in that system? |
| 11:42.45 | RichiH | k |
| 11:42.47 | RichiH | laters |
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| 11:43.00 | ronove | like a screen recording program, that is |
| 11:43.07 | benderz0r | Gnea: I'm only suggesting you don't need to school me on what it means, I am still very open to suggestions on fixing it...just not the usual ones cause theyve been done |
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| 11:43.20 | Gnea | ronove: not sure.. that'd be cool tho |
| 11:43.30 | benderz0r | only the one, it is a via card (though we have found the problem again on a nvidia chipset card) |
| 11:43.59 | Gnea | benderz0r: it's cool, i had no idea - i'm just trying to solve the problem, not attack anyone. |
| 11:44.08 | Gnea | people need to chill their shit |
| 11:44.08 | ronove | Gnea: cause when I look at XGL movies on video.google.com, I get in the mood to make some myself :) |
| 11:44.24 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:44.32 | benderz0r | xcompmgr ftw :D |
| 11:44.47 | benderz0r | all the sexy eye candy of a mac...on linux :D |
| 11:44.53 | Gnea | !xgl |
| 11:44.53 | dpkg | hmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
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| 11:46.48 | benderz0r | hmm the oddest thing is even though ifconfig is reporting an auto ip everything assigned to its correct ip address works perfectly fine...it's like ifconfig just isn't bothering to find out what ip it should be displaying |
| 11:47.19 | benderz0r | oh well...if it's broken but everything else is working - don't touch it :P |
| 11:47.41 | amee2k | does df include filesystem overhead in the "size" column? |
| 11:47.49 | nix | hmm. is there a debianized zend optimizer or shall I just build from source? |
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| 11:49.15 | oskie | heh. solution to my font problem was simply to install more fonts, and restart mozilla.. |
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| 11:51.42 | benderz0r | no one here would happen to knwo the operating ranges of hdds would they? ...I want to run a 60gig 2.5" drive at around -6*c for half an hour or so |
| 11:51.59 | Noboru | there is a module-chroot-common ,hmm explained as running apache in a secure chroot env. |
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| 11:52.12 | Noboru | anyone has tried that ? |
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| 11:54.47 | Gnea | !google apache chroot howto |
| 11:54.52 | dpkg | Google says apache chroot howto is at http://penguin.triumf.ca/chroot.html or http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap29sec254.html or http://www.cgisecurity.com/webservers/apache/chrootapache2-howto.html or http://www.cgisecurity.com/lib/Apache_chroot_mini_HOWTO.html or http://www.deluxnetwork.com/linux/guides/chroot.php |
| 11:55.01 | dn4 | http://www.myspace.com/werdnaxoc <-- tracklist and promo mix posted |
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| 11:55.12 | Noboru | Gnea,thanks |
| 11:55.27 | ronove | Gnea: if your intrested: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/270 |
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| 11:57.06 | loki | http://pastebin.com/692070 |
| 11:57.07 | loki | help pls |
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| 11:58.20 | Phlexonance | how can I mount a bin or cue with the mount command |
| 11:59.57 | oskie | i just upgraded firefox in unstable to 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.2-3...and now it crashes on any site...known bug? |
| 12:00.17 | oskie | s/any site/wikipedia.org/ |
| 12:00.19 | Gnea | dn4: and that has what to do with debian? |
| 12:00.39 | aarchie | Since upgrading to etch my mail password has been rejected. It seems this is because it contains an apostrophe. If I copy this character out of KCharSelect it works. I guess this is something to do with UTF8 coming in. Can anyone advise? |
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| 12:01.04 | Gnea | Phlexonance: you can use bchunk to convert them to iso |
| 12:01.32 | oskie | what's the name of the web site with *all* old debian packages? |
| 12:01.32 | Gnea | ronove: awesome |
| 12:01.36 | Gnea | !pls |
| 12:01.37 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
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| 12:02.16 | Gnea | loki: that doesn't say anything useful. |
| 12:02.30 | Gnea | !tell loki about ask |
| 12:02.58 | loki | ah, yes, yes |
| 12:03.01 | Gnea | oskie: i'd start at http://packages.debian.org |
| 12:03.08 | oskie | http://snapshot.debian.net/ to answer myself |
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| 12:03.18 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:03.52 | Phlexonance | Gnea, bchunks help isnt really useful, how does one convert a bin to a iso with bchunk |
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| 12:04.01 | MatBoy | what is wrong when I don't get any message in the /var/log/messages when I stick a sd-card in my cardreader ?? |
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| 12:06.07 | cahoot | MatBoy: try dmesg |
| 12:06.25 | _ThePiratemaster | why wont this work www.devcore.eu/~devcore and www.devcore.eu/~erwin in 2 diffrent ways if u have this: in my config file: http://pastebin.com/692084 |
| 12:06.33 | cahoot | MatBoy: disregard |
| 12:06.35 | Gnea | Phlexonance: man bchunk or read /usr/share/doc/bchunk |
| 12:07.13 | _ThePiratemaster | matboy, i would say a defective piece of hardware |
| 12:07.15 | MatBoy | cahoot, disregard ? I have to translate that one :p |
| 12:07.34 | _ThePiratemaster | matboy, but what do i know :P |
| 12:07.38 | aarchie | Upgrading to etch disables my access to any resources for which I use a password with an apostrophe in. Is this a known problem? I'd think it is to do with the new UTF-8 default? |
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| 12:07.48 | oskie | oh no.. with ttf-dejavu install mozilla crashes when I go to http://en.wikipedia.org |
| 12:07.52 | SynrG | hmm. perplexing. used to be i could disable -nolisten tcp in /etc/xinit/xserverrc. it has come back, but i can't find any conf file in /etc that adds it. any idea where this comes from? |
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| 12:08.18 | bengrubb | hi, where are like mail logs stored that say stuff like you email was rejected by whatever (using postfix) |
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| 12:08.31 | wols | bengrubb: /var/log/mail.log |
| 12:08.32 | MatBoy | _ThePiratemaster, nah, hardware is OK, I can mount it manually.... maybe I have to reboot... I have played a little bit with the fstab and autofs |
| 12:08.35 | wols | and syslog too |
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| 12:08.51 | chadder | hi there, when upgrading to etch, I get an xfree86-common dependency problem - does anyone know what to do? |
| 12:08.54 | bengrubb | ok i'll try that and look through it again is there any other places |
| 12:09.05 | wols | those two places. nowehere else |
| 12:09.16 | chadder | "xfree86-common: Depends: x11-common but it is not installed |
| 12:09.19 | Gnea | chadder: do you have the ability to cut 'n paste? |
| 12:09.26 | chadder | Gnea: yes |
| 12:09.30 | Gnea | !paster |
| 12:09.35 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 12:09.43 | bengrubb | actually thanks |
| 12:09.44 | Gnea | chadder: paste it to the website |
| 12:09.49 | bengrubb | ty for that |
| 12:10.00 | streuner_ | !xfree->xorg |
| 12:10.23 | streuner_ | <dpkg> if you getting depends problems upgrading xfree86 to xorg (x11-common) use apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite"' -f install |
| 12:10.25 | stillbleeding | fuck fuck fuck |
| 12:10.29 | chadder | spasms:~# apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:10.29 | chadder | Reading package lists... Done |
| 12:10.29 | chadder | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 12:10.30 | chadder | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 12:10.30 | chadder | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 12:10.39 | Phlexonance | Gnea, thanks-a-lot |
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| 12:10.48 | chadder | sorry :( |
| 12:10.51 | streuner_ | <dpkg> if you getting depends problems upgrading xfree86 to xorg (x11-common) use apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite"' -f install |
| 12:10.53 | chadder | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2462 |
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| 12:13.11 | chadder | streuner_: thanks, that worked |
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| 12:14.04 | chadder | I'm used to working under GNU/Linux only, but I'm on a Windows machine right now. I selected some text from a Windows app. and used paste in this putty window (BitchX), but I forgot to use Ctrl-C in the Windows app. first |
| 12:14.15 | chadder | that why I pasted all that text, again, I'm sorry |
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| 12:17.19 | Matej | hello |
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| 12:18.43 | tux | how to send a message to another user connected to my server over ssh ? |
| 12:19.13 | Matej | i have a problem with xserver-xorg in sid, that bug seems to be reported (dpkg exits preinst with status 10), but since then i've found no new infos. could someone give me a hint please? it's really bad time for me to not have X :-/ |
| 12:19.14 | bengrubb | broadcast message |
| 12:19.24 | bengrubb | there's a command i think |
| 12:19.36 | Jhair | tux: talk |
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| 12:20.35 | MatBoy | it's strange, my autofs does not work :S |
| 12:21.52 | TheBest | how i install php on debian ....i install php5.x but phpBB 2 Installation tell The PHP configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you chose |
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| 12:22.15 | Nikolay | tux: wall ;o) |
| 12:22.42 | aarchie | Upgrading to etch disables my access to any resources for which I use a password with an apostrophe in. Is this a known problem? I'd think it is to do with the new UTF-8 default? |
| 12:23.17 | dorel_ | hey |
| 12:23.31 | dorel_ | any ideas how can i detect what kind of lcd is attached to ttyS0? |
| 12:23.50 | uros__ | Checking `sshd'... /usr/bin/strings: Warning: '/' is not an ordinary file |
| 12:23.58 | uros__ | what could that mean ? |
| 12:24.00 | MatBoy | what would be a good test to check why an existing partition is not mounted by automount ? |
| 12:24.54 | TheBest | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.18 | MatBoy | I have found something. When I mount first /dev/sde1, there is no filesystem, then I mount /dev/sde... I get the dmesg | tail error... when I mount /dev/sde1 again... it's mounted |
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| 12:26.50 | HugLeo | drug, connects but after some time it does not sail. She will be that necessary to place some string in the modem? |
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| 12:28.08 | wols | TheBest: apt-cache search php |
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| 12:28.51 | wols | TheBest: you also need mysql support for php |
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| 12:35.17 | dorel_ | how are parallel ports named? /dev/ttyP? |
| 12:36.48 | Matej | according to the status of unstable, if I upgraded and xserver-xorg was removed, i'm damned for a while?! isn't there any way to get it work? |
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| 12:37.23 | arrowes | hi |
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| 12:38.43 | HugLeo | dorel_: I do not remember but the modem is ok. The parallel ports is the standard added for smartlink |
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| 12:40.18 | Abdou | salut |
| 12:40.27 | Abdou | hello, everybody |
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| 12:42.16 | Abdou | I want to make a customized Debian CD but I didn't find debian-cd documentaion. can anyone help me? |
| 12:42.20 | aarchie | To answer my own question it turns out that KDE needs to be told that I'm wanting to use a standard GB Keyboard or it does some really odd stuff with apostrophes & other non-alphabetic keys. Instead of accepting them it adds accents to characters. |
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| 12:44.15 | ppp | hi |
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| 12:45.27 | ppp | when i'm trying to install xorg-xserver i'm getting "dexconf: unknown option `--displayfilename'". What does it mean? i have dexconf in /usr/bin :/ |
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| 12:46.44 | raf256 | how the fuck |
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| 12:46.52 | ppp | how what? ;) |
| 12:46.57 | raf256 | can I get m*** fu*** leafnode the fuck out from crontab? |
| 12:47.08 | raf256 | this shit spams my log with hundrets of damn wornings |
| 12:47.11 | ppp | ohhh... no idea ;) |
| 12:47.13 | raf256 | Groupinfo file /var/spool/news/leaf.node/groupinfo not present or too small, forcing active fetch. |
| 12:47.32 | raf256 | From: root (Cron Daemon) Subject: Cron <news@lore> if [ -x /etc/news/leafnode/do-fetch-news ]; then /etc/news/leafnode/do-fetch-news; fi |
| 12:47.43 | raf256 | and I already removed it from cron.dail, wtf |
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| 12:50.04 | ILF | no x in unstable for 3 days: http://pastebin.com/692121 :( how to fix? |
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| 12:50.22 | kurumin | hy |
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| 12:50.32 | HugLeo | kurumin: hi |
| 12:51.08 | kurumin | i am in brasil, you are from ... |
| 12:51.32 | HugLeo | kurumin: i see |
| 12:51.55 | trampel | (or rather...) |
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| 12:53.08 | Chameleon22 | i am not sure if its done by default or not, however I am runnig testing |
| 12:53.24 | Chameleon22 | err test rather and want to know if there is a soft halt package? |
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| 12:53.36 | Chameleon22 | that is, turn machine off when i type halt |
| 12:54.04 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: ? Do you want to know how to 'pretend' to do a halt? |
| 12:54.23 | Chameleon22 | no, i want to type halt and have the PSU shut off |
| 12:54.42 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: halt shoudl do that if you have APM installed |
| 12:54.53 | Chameleon22 | uhhh apm !! thats what i need |
| 12:54.55 | Chameleon22 | thanks :) |
| 12:54.59 | trouble | do I need a bootloader like grub/lilo to boot debian? |
| 12:55.11 | Chameleon22 | it helps trouble |
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| 12:55.24 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: Though you should be using shutdown really |
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| 12:55.26 | wols | trouble: yes you do |
| 12:55.31 | Maulkin | trouble: Yes |
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| 12:56.25 | Maulkin | ILF: have you got enough disk space? |
| 12:56.31 | ILF | Maulkin: yes |
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| 12:57.26 | Maulkin | ILF: ok... what's the output of "dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.15_all.deb" ? |
| 12:57.42 | Abdou | it seems nobody read my question. I'll repost it again. |
| 12:57.45 | Abdou | I want to make a customized Debian CD but I didn't find debian-cd documentaion. can anyone help me? |
| 12:57.51 | Maulkin | ILF: oh, hang on... |
| 12:58.14 | Maulkin | ILF: looks liek it's a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365282 |
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| 12:58.57 | ILF | Maulkin: fuck, been watching the bug-reports for days |
| 12:59.01 | ILF | Maulkin: thanks though |
| 13:00.15 | Maulkin | ILF: Well, there's a patch, so you can just rebuild the package with the patch included yourself |
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| 13:00.40 | Maulkin | If you want it fixed *now*, I'd suggest doing so :) |
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| 13:01.00 | Maulkin | Cause I'm afraid I don't have time to make a package for you at the moment. |
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| 13:01.05 | ILF | Maulkin: yeah, trying to figure it out now :) |
| 13:01.25 | ILF | my severe hangover doesn't help though :) |
| 13:01.52 | Maulkin | ILF: apt-get source xserver-xorg; cd xserver-xorg_something; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc; I think :) |
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| 13:03.57 | Abdou | can anyone help me |
| 13:04.11 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, uh i been spoiled by all bells and whistles of kubuntu but now building a serious server so back to my true roots *hugs debian |
| 13:04.13 | Chameleon22 | :) |
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| 13:04.29 | yannick- | I'm confused |
| 13:04.34 | yannick- | is it normal that there are so much cds |
| 13:04.36 | yannick- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:04.54 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: Yeah, I would always suggest Debian for servers |
| 13:04.55 | Ronin | yannick-: yes, its for folks who cant do network installs so they dl all them etc. |
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| 13:05.17 | Chameleon22 | i always do netinst if network allows |
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| 13:05.22 | yannick- | but; I can do a network install and get most things working? |
| 13:05.23 | Chameleon22 | f it doesnt its not worth a computer |
| 13:05.25 | Chameleon22 | :p |
| 13:05.31 | Chameleon22 | ok me pee now and back to setup |
| 13:05.33 | Maulkin | yannick-: Yes, there's lots of them. Those contain every single Debian package. However, you can also do a netinst, which means you only download what you need |
| 13:05.35 | yannick- | inclusive KDE etc.. |
| 13:05.41 | yannick- | ok |
| 13:05.46 | Maulkin | yannick-: Yes, it'll download them as it needs |
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| 13:06.54 | yannick- | /debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2a-i386-netinst.iso will do fine for me then |
| 13:07.04 | Maulkin | Yes. |
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| 13:09.57 | intero | is there no glgears with xorg7? |
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| 13:10.45 | Nin | hi there |
| 13:10.57 | lee__ | intero, it's glxgears |
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| 13:12.11 | intero | lee__: lost an x :P thanks. i also found it in mesa-utils, which was removed during upgrade |
| 13:12.23 | lee__ | :) |
| 13:12.32 | GhostXz | Hi, i dont run X, i just use pure cli. And when i do things like, tab for auto complete, and there are more then 1 things to display, it displays all of them fine.. but.. my interal pc speaker beeps. |
| 13:12.44 | GhostXz | I was wondering if i can disable that without unhooking the speaker. |
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| 13:13.09 | cahoot | GhostXz: man setterm |
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| 13:15.08 | Serinity | Hi everyone, To apply a kernel patch, i have to create a link in all/apply to diffs/mypatch right ? |
| 13:15.32 | th1 | Serinity what say you |
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| 13:15.52 | lee__ | Hi all I have a weird problem on my server. top reports roughly 4.9% system cpu usage constantly and my avereage load is 3.01. htop reports 100% CPU usage but mostly system. How can I get ps to sort processes by system cpu usage rather than user cpu usage? Or is there any other suggestions? |
| 13:16.19 | CcSsNET | uhm i sugest ps aux |
| 13:16.23 | CcSsNET | and do this |
| 13:16.32 | GhostXz | cahoot: thanks, it worked out just fine. |
| 13:16.37 | CcSsNET | ps aux > refreance.txt |
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| 13:16.55 | CcSsNET | and then print it or compare the pid to that if those in tops output |
| 13:17.02 | cahoot | GhostXz: you can also prevent loading of the pcspkr module at boot |
| 13:17.14 | CcSsNET | lee__ hope that helps |
| 13:17.14 | GhostXz | cahoot: and how would i go about that? |
| 13:17.32 | th1 | hm ps axOJ |
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| 13:17.41 | CcSsNET | hmm or that ^ |
| 13:17.41 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 13:17.41 | slushpupie | lee__: You might also check the man page for ps, there is a --sort option |
| 13:17.50 | Serinity | ah, no i found why i have this problem :( |
| 13:17.53 | cahoot | GhostXz: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 13:18.03 | GhostXz | cahoot: okie dokie. |
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| 13:18.29 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, can i pm you for a second? |
| 13:18.46 | CcSsNET | anyone have strange gradual lag to freeze with smp on dual p3's? with 2.6.15 from the etch build? |
| 13:18.49 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: I'd prefer you ask in here :) |
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| 13:19.01 | Maulkin | Unless it's actual private data. |
| 13:19.01 | CcSsNET | mind you stable works fine with it |
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| 13:19.39 | CcSsNET | 1gb ram and 1ghz each |
| 13:19.48 | CcSsNET | no reason for it to slow to a freeze |
| 13:19.52 | CcSsNET | sigh:: |
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| 13:20.10 | CcSsNET | i guess ill compile myown unless someone has a tip |
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| 13:20.34 | GhostXz | cahoot: thanks for the help! |
| 13:20.40 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, okies np. Looking at sources.list and basically have bunch of "etch main" (repositories) and from security "etch/updates main" which is version specific. From memory , can i swap "etch" keyword for "testing" to always look at testing repo rather then follow the version ? |
| 13:20.50 | yos87 | what is the other way to search exept locate, apt-file? |
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| 13:21.06 | CcSsNET | apt-cache search somethingtofind |
| 13:21.06 | Chameleon22 | yos87, find ? |
| 13:21.13 | CcSsNET | or find? |
| 13:21.22 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: Yup |
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| 13:21.37 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, so i can put "testing" ? |
| 13:22.02 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: Yup, just swap 'etch' for 'testing' |
| 13:22.30 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, sweet. What about entries from security updates? Thought only stable gets sec updates or does testing get it as well? |
| 13:22.54 | yos87 | CcSsNET, Chameleon22: is there others? |
| 13:23.12 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: See the topic :) |
| 13:23.18 | Chameleon22 | yos87, locate, find, type could work |
| 13:23.34 | Maulkin | !search |
| 13:23.34 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 13:28.05 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, i got that testing sec. updates should be pointed to http://secure-testing-master.debian.net rather then main server but i am totaly lost with apt-key. What is it, why do i need it? |
| 13:28.36 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: Right, leave those lines for security.debian.org in too. |
| 13:29.05 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, thanks |
| 13:29.10 | Chameleon22 | what about apt-key ? |
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| 13:29.25 | ppp | when i try install new xorg i'm getting: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has been customized". I have tried to get back xorg.conf file using dexconf and doing as it was said i conf, but i'm still getting that error. What should i do? |
| 13:30.56 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: That's in teh topic too. |
| 13:30.57 | yos87 | I plug my external usb hdd, how to know what it is to mount it? |
| 13:30.57 | abrotman | !dexconf |
| 13:30.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dexconf is obsolete, just like dexter. Ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 13:30.58 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 13:30.58 | abrotman | !drxx ppp |
| 13:30.58 | dpkg | ppp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:30.58 | yos87 | abrotman: how are you |
| 13:30.58 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, ye i read the topic, still lost |
| 13:31.01 | abrotman | yos87: hi |
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| 13:31.13 | ppp | dpkg doesn't helped my anyway :[ |
| 13:31.19 | yos87 | abrotman: I'm fine, Pretty good! |
| 13:31.23 | tonicgl | Is it possible to obtain freeradius-postgresql support from somewhere? |
| 13:31.28 | abrotman | you tried to reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 13:31.41 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: Well, you can follow those instructions if you get authentication erros from apt |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | it's right on the freaking page for testing security |
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| 13:32.03 | MatBoy | My UDB cardreader does not function anymore at once and I get this in the messages with 4 different addresses kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7 |
| 13:32.14 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, ohhh ok no need to comtinue, i get ya |
| 13:32.15 | MatBoy | ehm UBD=USB |
| 13:32.18 | ppp | dpkg <xmd5> |
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| 13:32.36 | Maulkin | !tell ppp about xmd5 |
| 13:32.41 | abrotman | ppp: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 13:32.49 | ppp | thanks ;) |
| 13:33.04 | darsie | I upgraded mozilla and now it won't start (the start script has syntax errors with the ps command). Shall I try to fix this, switch to firefox/thunderbird or seamonkey? |
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| 13:33.43 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, one more question :) (last one I hope). I added deb and deb-src http://secure-testing-master.debian.net testing/updates main but i still have the old lines you said i should live in: deb and deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main (is it fine if i change etch for testing here as well?) |
| 13:33.47 | bas | How can I setup exim so that all mail (to any domain) ends up in one users mailbox? |
| 13:33.48 | xirjs | i wrote something in /etd/motd ... its overwritten on each reboot ... why? |
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| 13:34.03 | coywolf | how can I find which is the paraity disk? |
| 13:34.07 | abrotman | there are no updates for testing at security.debian.org |
| 13:34.15 | abrotman | coywolf: in WHAT? |
| 13:34.21 | coywolf | abrocadabro, raid5 |
| 13:34.25 | bas | xirjs: check /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 13:34.26 | robin_sz | why oh why is it so difficult to install java on debian .. I even followed the destructions too. |
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| 13:34.27 | trouble | my connection timed out some time ago, and now I got a "ghost-user" on my box.. can I kill that somehow? |
| 13:34.30 | robin_sz | sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | there is no parity drive .. it's across different drives .. |
| 13:34.35 | robin_sz | thats right, isnt it? |
| 13:34.43 | abrotman | coywolf: AND .. this is NOT relevant to #debian .. |
| 13:34.44 | coywolf | parity |
| 13:34.59 | bas | robin_sz: because large parts of java are nonfree. |
| 13:35.18 | lee__ | Is logrotated responsible for rotating syslog, demon, etc? Or do something else rotate those logs? |
| 13:35.26 | bas | robin_sz: perhaps have a look at some nonfree repositories at apt-get.org |
| 13:35.36 | robin_sz | bas, this I know ... but ... I downloaded the sdk ,and followed the instructions from dpkg |
| 13:35.40 | robin_sz | sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package |
| 13:36.00 | abrotman | so what's hard about it ? |
| 13:36.17 | robin_sz | and ... E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 13:37.17 | robin_sz | and ... E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 13:37.25 | robin_sz | who stole that huh? |
| 13:37.30 | abrotman | you installed java-package? |
| 13:37.36 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 13:37.43 | abrotman | robin_sz: do you have the contrib sources? |
| 13:37.45 | robin_sz | i did apt-get and it didnt find it |
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| 13:38.06 | robin_sz | ahh, mmm .. java-package is contrib? not main? |
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| 13:38.18 | abrotman | !info java-package sarge |
| 13:38.20 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 13:38.21 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: Leave them in |
| 13:38.39 | abrotman | yay .. contrib! |
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| 13:38.53 | belkin | ist here anyway to get a brand new smb.conf file ? |
| 13:39.02 | Maulkin | abrotman: erm... not strictly true re: s.d.o and testing updates, but I've not annoucned the move yet :) |
| 13:39.10 | tombs | hi all |
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| 13:39.51 | robin_sz | I dont suppose it might be an idea to add the bit about contrib to this page would it? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
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| 13:39.58 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, cool, by the way thanks a lot for the help. However - what happens when etch moves from testing into stable? Do i need to update or ...? |
| 13:40.03 | robin_sz | its the one dpkg send you to |
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| 13:41.13 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: If you have 'testing' in your sources.list, you're gonna stick with testing. If you have 'etch', you'll stick with etch :) |
| 13:41.23 | abrotman | Maulkin: eh? .. etch does work? |
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| 13:41.58 | Maulkin | abrotman: *cough* not officially until, oh, early next week. |
| 13:42.00 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, so why did you tell me to live etch in there as well as "deb http://secure-testing-master.debian.net testing/updates main" |
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| 13:42.14 | yannick- | When installing debian, can it be that "starting up the partitioner, scanning disks keeps stuck on 38%" for a lone time |
| 13:42.18 | abrotman | Maulkin: ah ok |
| 13:42.20 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: No, leave the security.debian.org lines in |
| 13:42.22 | yos87 | how to mount iso file to the cdrom? |
| 13:42.42 | Maulkin | abrotman: I'm just waiting for a final 'OK' from everyone |
| 13:42.55 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, bah thats what i am saying! in the security lines can i change etch to testing ? |
| 13:43.04 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: yes :) |
| 13:43.18 | yannick- | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/08/msg01321.html this is what I found, but no clue how to solve it |
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| 13:43.23 | Maulkin | Chameleon22: However, leave the secuirty.dbeian.org and the secure-testing.debian.net lines in. |
| 13:43.24 | Chameleon22 | :) |
| 13:44.07 | abrotman | Maulkin: Make it so Mr Sulu |
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| 13:44.40 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.40 | yos87 | mount: /mnt/usb/iso/deb/deb14.iso is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
| 13:44.47 | Maulkin | abrotman: E cannae make it so capteyn! (not without an ok from joeyh anyway... :P) |
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| 13:45.06 | Maulkin | yos87: Also specity -o loop |
| 13:45.07 | petemc | yos87: it told you what to try |
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| 13:45.23 | yos87 | I see, but where to put -o loop? |
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| 13:45.35 | intero | mount -o loop iso /path |
| 13:45.38 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, can i pm you 6 lines, my sources.list so you can confirm i didnt screw anything up ? |
| 13:45.43 | Maulkin | Ok |
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| 13:46.06 | abrotman | Maulkin: he has no power over you! |
| 13:46.07 | CcSsNET | try comparing to this: atlantica.us/apt/ |
| 13:46.11 | Chameleon22 | done, any good? |
| 13:46.13 | CcSsNET | and look at the sources.list there |
| 13:46.20 | Maulkin | That's fine |
| 13:46.27 | Chameleon22 | Maulkin, ta |
| 13:46.30 | Maulkin | abrotman: I'm not moving it without an ok from him :) |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | CcSsNET: don't do that .. your sources are broken |
| 13:46.47 | yos87 | working ! |
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| 13:46.57 | CcSsNET | ? |
| 13:47.04 | CcSsNET | i havent read past convo |
| 13:47.17 | CcSsNET | i just seen a sources.list question |
| 13:47.18 | abrotman | CcSsNET: they're not debian sources .. |
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| 13:47.21 | MasterC | hi |
| 13:47.22 | CcSsNET | ahh |
| 13:47.23 | CcSsNET | ok |
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| 13:47.28 | rane_ | How do I change BitTorrent's settings? |
| 13:47.36 | MasterC | how do I disable apt-gets caching? |
| 13:47.43 | abrotman | CcSsNET: your sources are a wreck .. you've got ubuntu and knoppix and everything else .. don't ever EVER show anyone in here your sources.list again |
| 13:47.46 | lnx^ | hiya, should xvnc work with xorg7 in unstable? |
| 13:47.55 | MasterC | instead of doing apt-get clean always |
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| 13:48.22 | rane_ | How do I change BitTorrent's settings? |
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| 13:48.27 | backz | Hi! I'm trying to import some files from ubuntu to debian via NFS. The files on ubuntu are encoded with UTF-8 (in filename). I'm using pt_BR ISO-8859-1 on my debian box, then some characters isn't showed correctly. How I convert this file names to import files ? |
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| 13:49.00 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales .. pick an UTF8 locale |
| 13:49.15 | Bobber | How do i setup my CD burner? I have tried to right click on the ISO file that i want do burn. And then use "write to disc" but it doesnt start the burning thing :P nothing happens, i get a progress bar but i doesnt move. and the cd drive doesnt blink. |
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| 13:49.38 | nrdb | I have a GTK app. I want am doing some input testing in a "focus_out_event" if the test fails how do I get the focus back to the widget. |
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| 13:50.07 | abrotman | nrdb: might be a better questoinb for #gtk on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:50.14 | AngelGabriel | Bobber, do u know how to use the command line? |
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| 13:50.24 | Bobber | more or less |
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| 13:50.36 | nrdb | ok |
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| 13:50.48 | abrotman | !u |
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| 13:50.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:51.01 | backz | abrotman, but I want not use UTF-8 in my debian box... |
| 13:51.17 | abrotman | oh |
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| 13:51.31 | backz | abrotman, how i convert it on mount ? |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | no idea .. i'm not even sure why you wouldn't want utf8 |
| 13:52.19 | nrdb | abrotman: there isn't anyone there. |
| 13:52.32 | abrotman | nrdb: on irc.gnome.org? |
| 13:52.46 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 13:52.46 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:52.52 | AngelGabriel | Bobber, cdrecord -scanbus That will tell you the id of ur cdrecorder |
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| 13:53.00 | abrotman | nrdb: let me look |
| 13:53.02 | nrdb | abrotman: irc.gnome.org #gtk no |
| 13:53.05 | lnx^ | gee, so all Xvncs in unstable are compiled with the old xorg6 paths? |
| 13:53.13 | AngelGabriel | cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,1,0 -data cd_image.iso |
| 13:53.18 | abrotman | nrdb: sorry .. #gtk+ |
| 13:53.23 | AngelGabriel | replace dev - with the output of -scanbus |
| 13:53.45 | nrdb | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:53.46 | abrotman | nrdb: better? |
| 13:53.48 | AngelGabriel | you can change speed to whatever your cdrecorder can handle |
| 13:53.48 | Bobber | AngelGabriel, cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 13:53.57 | nrdb | abrotman: yes |
| 13:54.04 | abrotman | nrdb: i was close though! |
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| 13:54.20 | AngelGabriel | do you have cdrecord installed? |
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| 13:54.46 | Bobber | AngelGabriel, yes |
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| 13:56.22 | MatBoy | Has someone any idea how I can secure the boot of a system with a USB-stick ? |
| 13:56.55 | slushpupie | MatBoy: it depends on your system and the USB stick |
| 13:57.08 | kspath | MatBoy: secure? |
| 13:57.10 | slushpupie | MatBoy: do you know if your BIOS supports booting from a USB stick? |
| 13:57.28 | kspath | MatBoy: acquire or restrict? |
| 13:58.00 | MatBoy | slushpupie, yes my system supports that, but you can always boot with a knoppix CD than. I thought of that the OS searches for a USB-stick with a pgp-key on it while booting |
| 13:58.03 | MatBoy | something like it |
| 13:58.16 | backz | abrotman, can I trust in choose utf-8 for all my system ? |
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| 13:58.39 | slushpupie | MatBoy: if the system supports booting to it, there isnt much you can do except turn it off completely |
| 13:58.44 | Doat | i'm trying to put up vnc4server but it gives me: vnc4server: couldn't find "xauth" on your PATH. I did some googling and found out that installing xbase-clients might solve the problem. but when i try to do that i run into more problems: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2463 |
| 13:58.45 | abrotman | backz: i try to use it .. ideally .. it should be better in almost all cases .. but if you have a special need .. then do what you want . it's your data |
| 13:58.47 | kspath | MatBoy: remove the CD or find a key controlled bay for your CDROM |
| 13:59.04 | backz | abrotman, okay... thank you |
| 13:59.05 | kspath | MatBoy: BIOS boot password? |
| 13:59.20 | MatBoy | kspath, OK, but you can still boot knoppix from a USB-stick than |
| 13:59.24 | MatBoy | yep, it supports it |
| 13:59.34 | MatBoy | so encrypt the HD and turn on that password ? |
| 13:59.55 | slushpupie | MatBoy: why not turn off all other boot options? |
| 13:59.55 | MatBoy | kspath, BIOS-reset would solve that problem |
| 14:00.02 | kspath | MatBoy: password first and worry about encryption and/or keys later |
| 14:00.28 | slushpupie | if you want it to be secure, yeah, you will need to encrypt the drive, but thats less than useful for most people |
| 14:00.30 | kspath | MatBoy: If you have that much of security problem you need to consider hiring guards or secure the room or both. |
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| 14:01.05 | MatBoy | kspath, yeah indeed... but still.. I think I will place it in a secure box or somthing |
| 14:01.09 | MatBoy | something |
| 14:01.26 | slushpupie | MatBoy: what is it exactly you are afraid someone will do? |
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| 14:03.05 | kspath | MatBoy: Whatever security you think you want can be subverted given enough knowledge, money, or resources. |
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| 14:04.56 | kspath | MatBoy: If you want real security you will want to understand a lot more and asking here will give you more generic answers. People laugh at obscurity however obscurity added to other attempts at security can make a significant impact. |
| 14:04.57 | yannick__ | i've got a problem. At the university we have to login first on a webpage (internal) to access internet, but since i want a netinstall I noticed that i can't do this with links/lynx |
| 14:05.02 | yannick__ | any suggestions? |
| 14:05.36 | Chameleon22 | i am trying to run apt-get update and get 404 error on this url ttp://secure-testing-master.debian.net - are there any alternatives? |
| 14:05.41 | slushpupie | yannick__: the only way I could get around that when I was at university was to call the tech guys and manually register my mac |
| 14:05.46 | Chameleon22 | err http not ttp |
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| 14:05.54 | slushpupie | yannick__: they were helpful when I told them what I was trying to do |
| 14:05.59 | yannick__ | I see |
| 14:06.03 | plb | anyone got a good howto for getting lirc to work on debian? |
| 14:06.08 | slushpupie | yannick__: but of course that depends on your tech people |
| 14:06.21 | yannick__ | but I'm not too good with linux yet and I don't want to call them 10 times :D |
| 14:06.46 | yannick__ | and it depends from machine to machine to access the internet (I have to login 2 times if I switch internet cable from my laptop to my other pc) |
| 14:06.50 | slushpupie | yannick__: you dont need to. Most of those systems just record the mac address for the dhcp server |
| 14:07.04 | _ThePiratemaster | apt-get instal lirc?? |
| 14:07.10 | Chameleon22 | err never mind |
| 14:07.12 | slushpupie | yannick__: another option is to boot knoppix (or anything else) on the system first, to register the mac addr |
| 14:07.16 | yannick__ | (and after 10min of activity, the connection is lost) |
| 14:07.19 | plb | the lirc-modules-source pkg doesn't build =\ |
| 14:07.31 | cecile | how can I stream .asx on the client side? noatun doesn't work |
| 14:07.32 | _ThePiratemaster | try source |
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| 14:07.42 | _ThePiratemaster | everythnig works with source :) |
| 14:07.48 | mzurita | hola alguien habla español? |
| 14:07.54 | kspath | yannick__: Ask your "tech" people. That is not a debian problem. |
| 14:07.55 | plb | _ThePiratemaster: me? I tried building from source and got errors |
| 14:07.58 | _ThePiratemaster | no hable enjool |
| 14:08.01 | kspath | !tell mzurita about es |
| 14:08.06 | slushpupie | yannick__: or you could always put a masquerading firewall between your box and the network |
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| 14:08.25 | glas | anyone want some contract work? |
| 14:08.31 | kspath | mzurita: People do but this is an English irc channel. |
| 14:08.44 | glas | extremely short term (like, now) |
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| 14:09.25 | MatBoy | kspath, It really depends on. In fact... online data is also not 200% secure. So... But i'm really interrested in... how to secure it better and better :) |
| 14:09.28 | rodro | hi |
| 14:09.47 | rodro | is there a brazilian channel? |
| 14:09.56 | rodro | or a portuguese at least? |
| 14:10.16 | shadow_debian | dominican republic |
| 14:10.18 | rodro | never mind, I've found it |
| 14:10.25 | kspath | MatBoy: #debian is about debian general things. You will want to go to security sites for ideas. There are a number of debian specific sites. |
| 14:10.29 | rodro | debian-br |
| 14:10.52 | kspath | !tell rodro about br |
| 14:11.13 | MatBoy | kspath, I will search for them, but I thought... maybe there is a "default way" to do it in Debian |
| 14:11.34 | syntaxx | is there anyone here who already run bootsplash on debian? |
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| 14:11.47 | shadow_debian | kien me puede decir el comando para kitar los menus en Eterm |
| 14:12.01 | kspath | !es |
| 14:12.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:12.09 | kspath | !tell shadow_debian about es |
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| 14:13.24 | jetscreamer | hey what's the dd command to back up just the mbr, aka not the partitions just the rest, boot sector or whatever |
| 14:13.50 | kspath | I find it odd that often an excuse is that no one is in language N channel yet the same complainers do not seem to want to hang out in their language channels to assist and/or learn or AT LEAST show support. How do you expect to build a support community for/in your languages/regions if you do not get involved? |
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| 14:14.05 | jetscreamer | dd if=? of=whatever.iso ?=? ?=? |
| 14:14.07 | jetscreamer | hda |
| 14:14.22 | runa_ | when i do "du . -sh" it shown 7.2G when i do df -h it shows 11 G used |
| 14:14.28 | runa_ | ???? |
| 14:14.48 | jetscreamer | . is current directory? |
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| 14:15.02 | runa_ | i know |
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| 14:15.18 | ILF | runa_: ext3 reserves a certain amount of space for root. 5% iirc |
| 14:15.18 | runa_ | i mean with do it shows less space |
| 14:15.19 | slushpupie | jetscreamer: dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/mbr.backup bs=446 count=1 |
| 14:15.33 | jetscreamer | mucho grassy ass |
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| 14:15.43 | jetscreamer | 446 not 512? |
| 14:15.50 | slushpupie | right |
| 14:15.53 | jetscreamer | k |
| 14:15.58 | slushpupie | 512 bytes has the partition table too |
| 14:16.05 | slushpupie | 446 is just the boot sector |
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| 14:16.13 | runa_ | ILF what should i do to unreserve that space |
| 14:16.20 | runa_ | anyway its not 5% |
| 14:16.23 | petemc | runa_: man tune2fs |
| 14:16.24 | kspath | runa_: You will want to consider being specific as in. I am in / directory and typed du . -sh which is odd becaues I always put options first. du -sh . or du -sh / |
| 14:16.59 | cafuego | kspath: The GNU tools generally don't mind that much if you add more options at the end. |
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| 14:17.27 | rodro | [hikenboot]: I'm having problems to install USB optical mouse (microsoft) and a Nvidia video card on Debian |
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| 14:17.37 | kspath | cafuego: I so completely wish the GNU tools would slam persons that do that to the ground and yell in their face that that is not a good way to know or do it. |
| 14:17.42 | runa_ | i have a partition for data ext3 when i check the filesize with du its 7.2 with df 11 |
| 14:18.07 | runa_ | how is ti possible |
| 14:18.14 | rodro | psl pm me if u can help, I'll go away for just a min |
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| 14:18.47 | petemc | runa_: ive heard of it before, its not exactly uncommon - not sure what the reason is off the top of my head tho |
| 14:18.50 | jetscreamer | thanks slushpupie , my hd is clicking i think |
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| 14:19.07 | syntaxx | is there anyone here who already run bootsplash on debian? |
| 14:19.20 | jetscreamer | !tell root__ -about root |
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| 14:19.50 | Piete | It seems that "base-config" is being phased out. Does anyone know what people who use debootstrap should use instead now to configure the base system? |
| 14:20.04 | runa_ | what kint of partition should i use for data then |
| 14:20.18 | jetscreamer | jfs or ext3 is nice |
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| 14:20.58 | runa_ | ext3 shows 7.2 if in reality there are 11 |
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| 14:21.07 | runa_ | sorry the reverse |
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| 14:21.21 | runa_ | ext3 shows 11 if in reality there are 7.2 |
| 14:21.26 | rooot | i can't uninstall xorg-xserver using dpkg/apt. Is there any other way? |
| 14:21.33 | EvilDin | hay me have problem with monitor how do i rerun the script for setting of monitor? |
| 14:21.39 | rooot | is it possible to remove it "by hand"? |
| 14:21.46 | jetscreamer | !tell EvilDin -about drxx |
| 14:22.00 | jetscreamer | !tell EvilDin -about hwinfo |
| 14:22.00 | rodro | having problems to install USB optical mouse (microsoft) and a Nvidia video card |
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| 14:22.04 | korzec | hello .... how can i fix that grub sasys i have kernel of incompatible executable format ? |
| 14:22.05 | kspath | rodro: "it"? |
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| 14:22.17 | splattnik | is there any replacement for ext3rminator in debian? |
| 14:22.37 | Piete | !tell Piete -about drxx |
| 14:22.38 | jetscreamer | rodro: which driver for nvidia are youtrying to use, nv? |
| 14:23.01 | jetscreamer | !tell Piete -about msg |
| 14:23.12 | rodro | I have a gf 5200 fx |
| 14:23.15 | Piete | jetscreamer, sorry, thanks :) |
| 14:23.16 | splattnik | !ext3rminator |
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| 14:23.31 | chealer | !tell splattnik about msg the bot |
| 14:23.35 | jetscreamer | rodro: nv driver, /dev/input/mice for the ouse |
| 14:23.39 | jetscreamer | mouse |
| 14:23.43 | kspath | rodro: sorry wrong tab completion of nick my fault. |
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| 14:23.50 | korzec | why i have permission denied when i try to chroot on some partitions? |
| 14:23.50 | kspath | rooot: "it"? |
| 14:24.00 | rodro | for USB is input/mice? |
| 14:24.03 | jetscreamer | rodro: don't select framebuffer or glcore |
| 14:24.03 | rodro | ok |
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| 14:24.21 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg |
| 14:24.26 | rodro | [oKtosiTe_]: thx |
| 14:24.28 | yannick__ | !info xserver-xorg |
| 14:24.29 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.15 (sid), Packaged size: 214 kB, Installed size: 704 kB |
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| 14:24.43 | jetscreamer | it's a metapackage |
| 14:24.48 | rodro | wich one I select on install? |
| 14:24.55 | jetscreamer | removing that won't uninstall xorg |
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| 14:25.25 | rodro | when i install if i don't put VESA the grafic mode dont run |
| 14:25.52 | rodro | of course I haven't tried everything |
| 14:25.55 | _ThePiratemaster | how do instandly remove all files on the sytem containg proftpd in the name |
| 14:25.57 | kspath | rodro: You are saying it does work if you use VESA? |
| 14:26.01 | jetscreamer | rodro: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or xfree something if xfree86 |
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| 14:26.11 | rodro | no |
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| 14:26.23 | rodro | i'm saying that it ONLY work with VESA |
| 14:26.38 | rodro | but stays in 800x600/256 |
| 14:26.39 | korzec | why i cant chroot to other system that sucks |
| 14:26.44 | plb | anyone using lirc on unstable? |
| 14:27.07 | rodro | I new in this as u can see |
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| 14:27.32 | rodro | I started trying to install Debian yesterday |
| 14:27.35 | kspath | rodro: I am new to this as you can see? |
| 14:27.37 | jetscreamer | rodro: 5200 will work but you have to make sure glcore and framebuffer are de-selected when you rerun the drxx thing. check the log, look for EE |
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| 14:28.00 | jetscreamer | less /var/log/whatever |
| 14:28.05 | kspath | !tell korzec about chroot |
| 14:28.06 | jetscreamer | ls /var/log |
| 14:28.16 | _ThePiratemaster | how do i remove al the files with proftpd in the name |
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| 14:28.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:28.32 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:28.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove proftpd* maybe |
| 14:28.44 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 14:28.45 | tarzeau | any #bub-n-bob players here? |
| 14:28.59 | kspath | !tell tarzeau about popcon |
| 14:29.02 | tarzeau | #bub-n-bros even |
| 14:29.03 | kspath | hehehe |
| 14:29.20 | jetscreamer | !tell somebody -about anybody |
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| 14:29.41 | robin_sz | I thought java-package included some utility to grab the right sort of Java package? no?? |
| 14:29.48 | rodro | ok another thing now, when I tried to install my dhcp network haven't been autoinstalled so I manually did it |
| 14:29.57 | rodro | but its not working |
| 14:30.10 | korzec | kspath, what do you mean |
| 14:30.10 | rodro | I cant access internet in debian |
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| 14:30.20 | rodro | i'm using win now |
| 14:30.22 | kspath | korzec: I do not understand. |
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| 14:31.14 | korzec | kspath, O_o i cant chroot from debian to gentoo or fedora |
| 14:31.25 | jetscreamer | rodro: post your /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:31.32 | jetscreamer | !tell rodro -about paste |
| 14:31.38 | kspath | !tell rodro about dhcp client |
| 14:31.44 | jetscreamer | !explore2fs |
| 14:31.44 | dpkg | hmm... explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 14:31.56 | jetscreamer | never saw it write |
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| 14:32.00 | jetscreamer | reads good |
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| 14:32.37 | _ThePiratemaster | :P |
| 14:32.56 | jetscreamer | skippy really means skinny puppy |
| 14:33.01 | skippy | it does? |
| 14:33.03 | skippy | cool1 |
| 14:33.28 | rodro | [oKtosiTe_]: I've receved some good information here, I'll try and if I have more problems I'll return |
| 14:33.30 | _ThePiratemaster | deos anyone know i remove all files with proftpd in the name from my system with a few commends? |
| 14:33.31 | jetscreamer | !skinny is <reply> you mean skinny puppy |
| 14:33.31 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 14:33.37 | skippy | how do I remove unused locales from my system? The VPS I'm using has _every_ locale installed, and that tends to slow down my apt-get upgrades. =( |
| 14:33.38 | jetscreamer | see? it's official now |
| 14:33.39 | rodro | Thx for everything |
| 14:33.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:34.02 | skippy | thanks jetscreamer, I'll try. |
| 14:34.35 | jetscreamer | when i do that i like to do dpkg-reconfigure console-data after out of habit |
| 14:35.47 | Piete | How do I get the installer's config back up where it configures locales, sets the hostname, adds users, etc? |
| 14:36.05 | skippy | Piete, `baseconfig` I think |
| 14:36.23 | Piete | skippy, it's been removed in the newer versions of debian AFAIK... |
| 14:36.55 | jetscreamer | it's base-config though |
| 14:37.13 | jetscreamer | !info base-config |
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| 14:37.41 | jetscreamer | !info base-config sarge |
| 14:37.43 | dpkg | base-config: (Debian base system configurator), section base, is optional. Version: 2.53.10 (sarge), Packaged size: 300 kB, Installed size: 1540 kB |
| 14:37.50 | jetscreamer | not in sid |
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| 14:37.56 | jetscreamer | or etch i don't think |
| 14:37.57 | gerardomt | Hi |
| 14:37.59 | gerardomt | Can you help me? |
| 14:38.02 | jetscreamer | !info base-config etch |
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| 14:38.13 | jetscreamer | not if you don't ask a question |
| 14:38.28 | Piete | Interesting.. So I wonder what the devs want us to use instead then? |
| 14:38.48 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 14:38.49 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 14:38.58 | piyush_patel | apt error, couldn't lock the cache file opening in read-only mode |
| 14:39.01 | xomhau | hi all |
| 14:39.01 | gerardomt | How can I make to wine recognize mi DVD drive? |
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| 14:39.08 | xomhau | what soft for edit video? |
| 14:39.16 | jetscreamer | you either aren't root or you have another apt pprocess open |
| 14:39.28 | jetscreamer | !tell xomhau -about mplayer |
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| 14:39.45 | jetscreamer | xomhau: how much control do you want |
| 14:39.56 | lee__ | I have setup logrotate to rotate my main system log's. How can I remove the rotate's that syslogd rotate's? (syslogd-listfiles --weekly) |
| 14:40.12 | _ThePiratemaster | how do i use wild cards in the "rm" command? |
| 14:40.13 | xomhau | jetscreamer: split video file |
| 14:40.15 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.19 | raf256 | what the fuck is that? and how to fix |
| 14:40.37 | jetscreamer | xomhau: you need the marillat sources for most any good vid editing prog |
| 14:40.37 | skippy | raf256, what are you trying to do? |
| 14:40.50 | jetscreamer | avidemux2 is easy |
| 14:40.54 | jetscreamer | xomhau: ^ |
| 14:41.02 | jetscreamer | !tell xomhau -about marillat |
| 14:41.04 | xomhau | jetscreamer: thank |
| 14:41.04 | raf256 | skippy: build a prorgam C++ using gtk |
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| 14:41.13 | H2S04 | hah |
| 14:41.18 | skippy | raf256, `apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev` |
| 14:41.28 | raf256 | ok |
| 14:41.46 | jetscreamer | wtf is gtk |
| 14:42.08 | kspath | !tell jetscreamer about gtk |
| 14:42.09 | H2S04 | .......... |
| 14:42.12 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 14:42.18 | H2S04 | gtk.org |
| 14:42.21 | jetscreamer | i was repeating not asking |
| 14:42.26 | raf256 | !smite kspath |
| 14:42.31 | kspath | heheheh |
| 14:42.45 | H2S04 | !smite kspath |
| 14:42.48 | kspath | jetscreamer: I try to use quotes. |
| 14:43.05 | H2S04 | !tell gtk |
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| 14:43.24 | H2S04 | !tell gtk H2S04 |
| 14:43.36 | jetscreamer | oh gtkradiant |
| 14:43.42 | jetscreamer | doh |
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| 14:44.57 | EvilDin | hay does debian doesn't have update manager in gnome desktop? |
| 14:45.07 | CHaiS | hi |
| 14:45.12 | bingo | hello |
| 14:45.16 | tarzeau | EvilDin: synaptic? |
| 14:45.19 | raf256 | skippy: I have that lib already |
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| 14:45.46 | kspath | EvilDin: apt-cache search update ? |
| 14:45.58 | bingo | I'm trying to use debootstrap but when I do debootstrap sid /sid-root http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ I have this problem : |
| 14:46.08 | bingo | I: Validating aptitude |
| 14:46.08 | bingo | I: Validating at |
| 14:46.08 | bingo | E: Couldn't download base-config |
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| 14:46.22 | EvilDin | am ubuntu linux has it own program only for updates |
| 14:46.24 | bingo | do you know why? |
| 14:46.29 | EvilDin | what is alias in debian |
| 14:46.39 | kspath | EvilDin: "alias"? |
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| 14:46.48 | tarzeau | EvilDin: haha |
| 14:46.51 | Piete | bingo it seems it's being removed in later debians.. I'm stuck with the same problem.. |
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| 14:46.53 | EvilDin | same thing |
| 14:46.56 | tarzeau | EvilDin: why don't you use ubuntu? |
| 14:46.58 | jetscreamer | alias can be set in .bashrc |
| 14:46.59 | xomhau | i added deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main into /etc/apt/sources.list file , but not find package |
| 14:47.05 | EvilDin | debian better |
| 14:47.06 | EvilDin | :D |
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| 14:47.13 | bingo | Piete, do you know a solution? |
| 14:47.14 | tarzeau | EvilDin: then don't ask ubuntu things here |
| 14:47.17 | jetscreamer | xomhau: did you do apt-get update |
| 14:47.20 | kspath | EvilDin: apt-get update |
| 14:47.23 | EvilDin | yes |
| 14:47.24 | tarzeau | xomhau: ask marillat about it |
| 14:47.26 | EvilDin | i know that |
| 14:47.30 | EvilDin | i use it |
| 14:47.33 | Piete | bingo I'm looking.. Here is the issue with base-config http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html |
| 14:47.38 | tarzeau | i should add ubuntu to my ignore again |
| 14:47.53 | EvilDin | but i have one user who is not fan of shells so i ask if there is possible to make upgrades throw desktop |
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| 14:48.05 | tarzeau | EvilDin: yes with synaptic, i told you already |
| 14:48.24 | xomhau | jetscreamer: i did run : apt-get update |
| 14:48.26 | kspath | EvilDin: through |
| 14:48.32 | jarjar26 | I have new computer with 4 cpus .. who can tell to linux when i do make, they use 4 cpus ? |
| 14:48.39 | jetscreamer | and it may be named avidemux not avidemux2 |
| 14:48.49 | jetscreamer | jarjar26: you need an smp enabled kernel |
| 14:48.57 | EvilDin | ok |
| 14:49.05 | kspath | !tell jarjar26 about smp |
| 14:49.25 | jetscreamer | xomhau: it may be named avidemux not avidemux2 |
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| 14:49.47 | joloc | msg dpkg smp |
| 14:49.52 | jetscreamer | / |
| 14:50.08 | kspath | joloc: "/msg dpkg smp |
| 14:50.14 | jetscreamer | " |
| 14:50.17 | jarjar26 | jetscreamer, i have already smp kernel ... but i do not gain speed with gcc .... |
| 14:50.18 | kspath | thanks |
| 14:50.50 | bingo | Piete is it possible to do debootstrap sid /sid-root http://ftp.debian.org/debian but for Etech |
| 14:50.53 | kspath | jarjar26: gain speed? Are you saying you are not able to force gcc to use other processors? |
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| 14:51.02 | xomhau | jetscreamer: :( , both avidemux avidemux2 is not |
| 14:52.03 | kspath | jarjar26: Some code will not run faster. You will need to learn how to code for multi-processor if you want to really and truly utilize the full power of multi-processor. Otherwise your system will do the best it can to share the resources. |
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| 14:52.12 | jetscreamer | xomhau: one sec |
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| 14:52.18 | Piete | bingo, can't see why not? |
| 14:52.20 | joloc | jarjar26: did you try `make -j'? |
| 14:52.40 | Piete | bingo, you mean you want to deboostrap etch instead? |
| 14:52.46 | piyush_patel | dpkg , apt error, couldn't lock the cache file opening in read-only mode |
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| 14:53.21 | jetscreamer | Package: avidemux Priority: optional Section: graphics Installed-Size: 5052 Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
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| 14:53.30 | Maulkin | piyush_patel: Make sure there isn't another copy of apt (or aptitude) and you're root |
| 14:53.37 | jetscreamer | xomhau: paste your sources.list, it might be worng |
| 14:53.45 | jetscreamer | !tell xomhau -about paste |
| 14:54.45 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
| 14:55.27 | jetscreamer | xomhau: if etch doesn't work in that line, put testing instead of etch. he doesn't support both words, just one. |
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| 14:55.37 | jetscreamer | i forget which word though |
| 14:55.43 | smagy2 | hi folks, i am trying to compile php latest version on a debian system. i used ./configure --with-mysql for config and did make install. however i can't seem to find the files libphp5.so after compiling. woudl appreciate some help |
| 14:55.47 | jetscreamer | and don't forget the apt-get update xomhau |
| 14:55.52 | xomhau | jetscreamer: j #flood |
| 14:55.58 | bingo | Piete yes |
| 14:56.10 | jetscreamer | [09.56.13] --- #flood :You can't join that many channels |
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| 14:56.38 | npx | ahhaha |
| 14:56.49 | npx | is there any particular reason why the moby thesaurus sucks so much ass? |
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| 14:58.04 | cliche | ... |
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| 15:01.02 | jetscreamer | m-w.com has a thesaurus |
| 15:01.12 | jetscreamer | if you just need one word or something |
| 15:01.33 | bingo | Piete, do you know how to deboostrap etch? |
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| 15:02.19 | kspath | jetscreamer: merriam webster? |
| 15:02.35 | jetscreamer | ya |
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| 15:03.05 | shaibn | Hi :) can someone tell me how I can make my apt-get to download the pacakge for the latest clamav 0.88.2 via debian-volatile ...? when I do apt-cache showpkg clamav ; i get the older 0.84.x package info |
| 15:03.24 | shaibn | i already added the source for debian-volatile to my sources.list |
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| 15:12.00 | jetscreamer | ok me, my 9 stiches in my hand and my messed up ankle are going back to the evil os |
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| 15:12.16 | marchino | ciao! |
| 15:12.40 | marchino | who uses wifi? hao did you configure /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:13.11 | chealer | shaibn: did you update your APT index? |
| 15:13.17 | shaibn | how? |
| 15:13.28 | shaibn | apt-get update? |
| 15:13.32 | chealer | shaibn: typically |
| 15:13.39 | shaibn | then yes... |
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| 15:13.52 | wojci | marchino, There is nothing special about the entry for my wifi. |
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| 15:14.13 | bingo | auto lo |
| 15:14.13 | bingo | iface lo inet loopback |
| 15:14.15 | wojci | marchino, I lowered the MTU to 1300, but that is a matter of taste, I think. |
| 15:14.33 | jmp_m | if i have the root pass, how can i get a rootshell in one commando? without the "Password: " prompt |
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| 15:15.30 | marchino | wojci: don't you have entry like: wireless-essid |
| 15:15.32 | shaibn | chealer, does apt-cache showpkg clamav ; show info about installed package or what is available to download from the mirror? |
| 15:15.33 | martin | hi all, is there somebody to help me with creating debian package, please? |
| 15:15.41 | wojci | marchino, No. |
| 15:15.42 | tarzeau | martin: sure |
| 15:16.05 | wojci | marchino, man iwconfig. |
| 15:16.15 | marchino | wojci: do you do it by iwconfig? |
| 15:16.43 | wojci | marchino, Yes, I usually use a script to setup the interface using iwconfig. |
| 15:16.48 | chealer | shaibn: what's available. what does $ apt-cache policy clamav; output? |
| 15:17.22 | wojci | marchino, See "pre-up", "post-down" in the man page for "interfaces". |
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| 15:18.00 | shaibn | chealer, http://pastebin.com/692376 |
| 15:18.38 | wojci | Is there any standardised debian way of brining wifi interfaces up/down? |
| 15:18.43 | martin | tarzeau, I have test.tar archive and I need create deb package in order to unpack to /usr/local/src/test... I created ./DEBIAN?control with description but then I don't know how unpack this archive |
| 15:18.57 | tarzeau | martin: ugh |
| 15:19.34 | chealer | shaibn: something looks wrong with your sources. are you able to install even a new package? |
| 15:19.47 | martin | tarzeau, do you know? |
| 15:19.54 | shaibn | chealer, what do you mean? |
| 15:20.01 | shaibn | it won't show me the new package to install ... |
| 15:20.02 | tarzeau | martin: no |
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| 15:20.21 | chealer | shaibn: is APT able to download a package you never installed? |
| 15:20.33 | chealer | shaibn: not even talking about volatile |
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| 15:20.44 | shaibn | hmm .... |
| 15:20.49 | shaibn | how can I check? |
| 15:21.13 | _ThePiratemaster | how do i clear a configuration for an installed file with dpkg? |
| 15:21.18 | shaibn | chealer, i don't want to mess around too much with this server .. since it is our main server.. don't wish to break anything doing trys... |
| 15:21.22 | chealer | shaibn: # apt-get install foo |
| 15:21.31 | chealer | shaibn: brb |
| 15:21.41 | MatBoy | how do I set the glxdrivers to the right version with proper nvidia-drivers ? |
| 15:22.00 | martin | somebody to help with creating debian package,please? |
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| 15:22.28 | tarzeau | martin: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 15:23.19 | trock | tomrock |
| 15:23.43 | hans0lo | I need to share a folder between two Debian boxen. What would be the best way to go about this? NFS? |
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| 15:24.58 | _ThePiratemaster | how do i reconfigure an installed and already configured package? |
| 15:25.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:25.27 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike penix |
| 15:25.27 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:25.27 | _ThePiratemaster | reconfigure as an argument? |
| 15:25.51 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: he's there in #gnu-kbsd |
| 15:25.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure gdm for instance |
| 15:26.01 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: well was |
| 15:26.02 | jetscreamer | - Penix has quit ("Lost terminal") |
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| 15:26.55 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 15:26.57 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 15:26.58 | dpkg | Sorry, jetscreamer, I didn't get your test. |
| 15:27.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:27.32 | jetscreamer | _ThePiratemaster: dpkg-reconfigure is the command, the package to reconfig is the arg |
| 15:28.11 | SexyKen | Anyone here know why apache2 isn't version 2.2 on Debian? |
| 15:28.20 | jetscreamer | !why |
| 15:28.20 | dpkg | Because! |
| 15:28.23 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 15:28.29 | kspath | SexyKen: Because you asked. |
| 15:28.43 | SexyKen | Asked what? |
| 15:28.51 | jetscreamer | !why |
| 15:28.51 | dpkg | Because! |
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| 15:29.37 | kspath | SexyKen: The point of Stable/Sarge is/was stability. You can try looking to backports. If you want bleeding edge than consider a less stable thing like testing or unstable at your own risk. |
| 15:29.38 | SexyKen | You guys are useless. |
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| 15:29.44 | jetscreamer | SexyKen: ok so which version of debian |
| 15:29.46 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 15:30.05 | jetscreamer | damn, i need more practice i suck at being useless |
| 15:30.06 | kspath | jetscreamer: I am useless. |
| 15:30.09 | TonyRad | Hello. I'm wondering... Does anybody seem to be having issues with connecting to a samba server through windows lately? |
| 15:30.14 | SexyKen | I'm running Sarge..now, I dont know if I want Apache 2.2 -- but I do want mod_proxy_ajp and mod_expire for apache 2.0/2.2 |
| 15:30.27 | jetscreamer | !tell SexyKen -about backports |
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| 15:30.42 | xerophyte | when you setup internet connection share why do you need to install dnsmasq ipmasq these to packages.. does the forward and masq rule on the iptable good enough to do the work just wondering why do i need them ?? |
| 15:31.09 | kspath | jetscreamer: My proof that I am useless is that I am a highly experienced sysadmin yet I am jobless. Therefore I must be useless. |
| 15:31.36 | Ronin | kspath: or too picky? ;) |
| 15:31.50 | kspath | Ronin: No, I am not picky. Employers are too picky. |
| 15:32.00 | jetscreamer | kspath: i am a highly qualified computer repairman, and an ok sysadmin, but i have a grunt job |
| 15:32.04 | hans0lo | Is there a GUI app to configure NFS? |
| 15:32.05 | kspath | Ronin: I am willing to except HALF my previous pay. |
| 15:32.14 | jetscreamer | accept |
| 15:32.20 | kspath | jetscreamer: Thank you. |
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| 15:32.39 | jetscreamer | oh and i'm a walking dictionary |
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| 15:32.55 | kspath | jetscreamer: That is an example that I make the same mistakes that I try to help others with. |
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| 15:33.31 | kspath | jetscreamer: Sadly, I do know the difference yet I often replace similar sounding words in communications. |
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| 15:33.49 | thingfish | kspath: do you have any certifications? HR departments seem to be hung up on them. |
| 15:34.21 | jetscreamer | yeah only cert i have is like 20 years old |
| 15:34.26 | chealer | shaibn: so, are you able to install new stuff |
| 15:34.27 | kspath | thingfish: No, I do not. I have looked into several but being unemployed makes paying for certifications even the testing not so easy. |
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| 15:34.41 | thingfish | kspath: we are in very similar circumstances. |
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| 15:35.03 | kspath | thingfish: I am living off credit to pay for food and housing until that runs out. |
| 15:35.08 | robin_sz | there are very few jobs for "OK" sysadmins |
| 15:35.26 | robin_sz | just in the same way there are very few jobs for "OK" airline pilots |
| 15:35.31 | kspath | robin_sz: There are even less jobs for honest/truthful admins. |
| 15:35.33 | thingfish | kspath: yikes. well, hang in there, sooner or later something will turn up. after all, GB says the economy is great! |
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| 15:36.03 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: i'm the ok one, and not looking for that. |
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| 15:36.29 | jetscreamer | heh also, i do NOT fit into the corporate environment well |
| 15:36.35 | robin_sz | jetscreamer, well, just go get a sysadmin contract then |
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| 15:36.45 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 15:36.55 | robin_sz | oh, well, you are stuffed then on getting a cotnract |
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| 15:37.01 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: i have a job though |
| 15:37.09 | jetscreamer | and i get to be boss |
| 15:37.14 | robin_sz | there you are then. problem solved |
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| 15:37.30 | jetscreamer | (fuck my job sucks!) j/k |
| 15:37.33 | thingfish | I don't know if you can call what I last did as sysadmin work. We managed several companies' networks, although none of them were big corporations (just me and another guy), along with a catholic school and some non-profits. All were win2k server/client. |
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| 15:37.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: wanna trade? |
| 15:37.49 | abrotman | thingfish: i keep seeing a job in your town |
| 15:38.04 | thingfish | abrotman: which job is that? |
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| 15:39.01 | jetscreamer | hmmm... i could sell webspace for a dollar. |
| 15:39.25 | abrotman | thingfish: for .. scottrade or something |
| 15:39.38 | kspath | Jobs existing and them hiring you are two totally different things. |
| 15:39.41 | abrotman | thingfish: don't you have a job now? |
| 15:39.42 | jetscreamer | i passed a scotttrade office the otherday, i think |
| 15:39.52 | robin_sz | im amost out of the sysadmin contract stuff now, running my own company is much more fun :) |
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| 15:39.58 | shaibn | chealer, well... a few days ago i installed the clamav 0.84 ... |
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| 15:40.07 | thingfish | abrotman: no, although I do a little home computer servicing here and there. |
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| 15:40.09 | laurens_ | I need a cad program that can do simple isometric drawings |
| 15:40.13 | laurens_ | anyone? |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | apt-cache search CAD ? |
| 15:40.25 | jetscreamer | laurens_: there is qcad but i don't know how good it is |
| 15:40.33 | robin_sz | laurens_, try qcad |
| 15:40.34 | jetscreamer | do what abrotman said |
| 15:40.40 | robin_sz | from ribbonsoft |
| 15:40.42 | shaibn | chealer, btw .. i may have pasted the wrong or incomplete output of your last command that you asked me to paste, so here it is again: http://pastebin.com/692387 |
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| 15:41.21 | abrotman | this would probably better if more than 3 people remembered what an isometric drawing was :) |
| 15:41.23 | kspath | I have noticed that people that bend the truth get more business and likely more jobs. |
| 15:41.27 | robin_sz | laurens_, its not that good, but its free |
| 15:41.29 | robin_sz | ish |
| 15:41.41 | abrotman | kspath: i don't! |
| 15:41.50 | jetscreamer | kspath: yeah having integrity sucks, i know. |
| 15:41.50 | kspath | abrotman: I did not say you did. |
| 15:42.00 | jetscreamer | like that, i mean |
| 15:42.01 | laurens_ | jetscreamer: it doesnt do isometric |
| 15:42.04 | chealer | shaibn: ahh, that looks normal except for volatile. you probably didn't add a proper volatile source |
| 15:42.05 | martin | tarzeau, this is not example with tar archive |
| 15:42.21 | TonyRad | I've got a samba file server running currently, however, I've got a small issue arising. I have some clients who can connect, but most can't. Some can connect on some computers, but not on others.. The error message I'm getting is: "\\csifiles is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access to permissions. |
| 15:42.22 | robin_sz | laurens_, yes it does, its a 2d cad, of COURSE it does isometric |
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| 15:42.27 | kspath | jetscreamer: My integrity is not perfect. I try to maintain it as much as anyone can however. |
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| 15:42.41 | TonyRad | It also continues to say "Multiple connections to a server or shared resource by the same user, using more than one user name, are not allowed. Disconnect all previous connections to the server or shared resource and try again." |
| 15:42.43 | obscuresoul | i've configured alsa with alsaconf and then alsactl store. but everytime i boot the computer i need to run alsaconf again because the sound's gone. how can i solve this? |
| 15:42.45 | TonyRad | Any thoughts? |
| 15:42.49 | thingfish | kspath: I know what you mean, I think. I tend to undersell myself, if anything. |
| 15:43.17 | cahoot | obscuresoul: got alsa-utils installed? |
| 15:43.54 | abrotman | kspath: i was merely exclaiming that i don't :) |
| 15:43.59 | obscuresoul | cahoot, yes |
| 15:44.03 | jetscreamer | err 1.3 |
| 15:44.06 | tarzeau | martin: are you kidding me? |
| 15:44.10 | kspath | abrotman: I believe you. |
| 15:44.11 | tarzeau | !consultants |
| 15:44.12 | dpkg | methinks consultants is http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 15:44.32 | shaibn | chealer, but when I did apt-get update I got: http://pastebin.com/692431 |
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| 15:45.01 | robin_sz | laurens_, if you want something that automagically produces a isometric from your 2d drawings, then you'll need to look at somehting like Autocad or solidworks |
| 15:45.10 | chealer | shaibn: *woody* ? |
| 15:46.30 | martin | tarzeau, no |
| 15:46.32 | tarzeau | what's wrong if tvtime "flickers"? |
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| 15:48.03 | shaibn | chealer, that's what I saw in our source.list file so I used the same info ... here is the complete sources.list file: http://pastebin.com/692435 |
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| 15:49.10 | chealer | shaibn: heh. sarge is not testing anymore and woody is oldstable soon since one year |
| 15:49.25 | chealer | shaibn: your system is running (essentially) sarge |
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| 15:49.56 | shaibn | i see. |
| 15:49.57 | chealer | shaibn: if you actually care about that box, one of the admins should have a look at the APT HOWTO |
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| 15:51.33 | bingo | is it possible to launch a x-basd appliation from a chroot in my curent x server? |
| 15:51.41 | shaibn | chealer, so should i choose the sarge source ? |
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| 15:51.45 | shaibn | will it then work? |
| 15:51.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: why is OLS right after OBF ? |
| 15:51.46 | bingo | x-based |
| 15:51.55 | obscuresoul | cahoot, what might be the problem? |
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| 15:53.46 | outlaw84 | does anyone of you know what the yellow camel is? http://jserv.sayya.org/gallery/daemon-tux-duke-mozilla.jpg |
| 15:53.55 | SexyKen | Anyone here ever install tomcat4 on debian? |
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| 15:55.06 | trenka | Ï |
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| 15:55.43 | Claudemir | outlaw84: excelent image, very good |
| 15:55.45 | SexyKen | I'm having issues, when I run it I get an exception error...not sure why |
| 15:56.09 | marchino | i compile kernel in debian-way with option --revision=asdf. when i recompile the same kernel i wanna change the revision number but i got the following message: |
| 15:56.10 | marchino | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value |
| 15:56.10 | marchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.10 | marchino | However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value |
| 15:56.10 | marchino | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.17 | outlaw84 | Claudemir: yea I like it, but I cant figure out the camel :( |
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| 15:56.37 | emergo | anyone know why I cant follow symlink on a mounted disk (smbmount) |
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| 15:57.30 | Claudemir | outlaw84: hmmm |
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| 15:57.49 | bingo | outlaw84, I think the camel is for perl no? |
| 15:57.53 | bingo | http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0596000278/002-1219520-1912022#reader-link |
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| 15:58.16 | cahoot | obscuresoul: so if you run alsactl store/restore all is ok? |
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| 15:58.29 | marchino | what should i do if i don't want to use make-kpkg clean? |
| 15:58.39 | magrelo | opi |
| 15:58.41 | outlaw84 | bingo: Yea they have a camel logo on perl.com |
| 15:59.24 | Claudemir | bingo: good idea |
| 15:59.32 | bingo | so the camel is perl :-) |
| 15:59.55 | obscuresoul | cahoot, yes it is |
| 16:00.29 | cahoot | obscuresoul: what happends if you run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils 'by hand' ? |
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| 16:01.19 | MatBoy | can someone tell me how channels work where you have to be invited for ? |
| 16:01.25 | Claudemir | EVERYONE: happy day of the work |
| 16:01.45 | kspath | MatBoy: Make sure your nickname is registered. |
| 16:01.55 | MatBoy | yes thta one is |
| 16:01.58 | MatBoy | that |
| 16:02.20 | MatBoy | kspath, I'm talking about the #quake channel |
| 16:02.22 | obscuresoul | cahoot, i don't have that file in /etc/init.d! but i have installed the alsa-utils package |
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| 16:08.22 | blondie | should a "sync" be done before or after umount when removing a usb device? |
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| 16:12.17 | LSorensen | blondie: umount calls sync |
| 16:12.29 | LSorensen | blondie: when umount returns to the command prompt without error, sync has been done |
| 16:12.40 | blondie | I see |
| 16:12.47 | blondie | thanks |
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| 16:14.03 | the_rock | !1.5 |
| 16:14.11 | the_rock | !tell me about 1.5 |
| 16:14.31 | blondie | wow, my phone Just Works as a usb storage device in linux |
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| 16:14.55 | the_rock | blondie hi sexy |
| 16:15.02 | blondie | hi |
| 16:15.02 | kspath | the_rock: 1.5 of what? |
| 16:15.04 | the_rock | !about 1.5 |
| 16:15.19 | blondie | and it comes with pics of cute guys :D |
| 16:15.28 | the_rock | blondie: post yer pic :D |
| 16:15.30 | kspath | the_rock: /msg dpkg help |
| 16:15.39 | blondie | the_rock: naked? :P |
| 16:15.55 | the_rock | yes please |
| 16:16.06 | blondie | I'm a guy |
| 16:16.17 | enkrypt | hehe |
| 16:16.33 | the_rock | great, im a midget chick looking for hot date |
| 16:16.49 | blondie | sorry I don't do girls |
| 16:16.54 | Phated | ... what the hell? |
| 16:16.55 | blondie | and yes that. |
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| 16:17.34 | Phated | Man, I thought I was on the wrong channel for a moment. |
| 16:17.38 | kspath | the_rock blondie : This is not a dating channel. |
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| 16:17.57 | Ronin | Phated: likewise |
| 16:18.01 | blondie | are you sure? I thought "debian" was dating in german |
| 16:18.08 | kspath | Of course it is not a sysadmin jobs channel either. |
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| 16:18.35 | the_rock | !kernel |
| 16:18.37 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16.11, prepatch: 2.6.17-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.17-rc3-git3, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.17-rc3-mm1 |
| 16:18.49 | the_rock | !midget porn |
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| 16:22.15 | MatBoy | My mousepointer is gone in Quake4. While the game is loading, I can move the mousepointer, in the menu I see it, when I move it... the mousepointer is gone |
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| 16:25.01 | Thug-N-Me | where is the mplayer config file storted ? |
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| 16:25.05 | Thug-N-Me | stored |
| 16:25.27 | thingfish | Thug-N-Me: probably somewhere in the user's home dir, hidden. |
| 16:25.42 | thingfish | Thug-N-Me: like maybe ~/.mplayer |
| 16:25.44 | Thug-N-Me | ~/.mplayer/config |
| 16:25.52 | Thug-N-Me | there should be another one |
| 16:26.02 | thingfish | yeah I wasn't real sure, since I don't have it installed atm. |
| 16:26.05 | Thug-N-Me | my mplayer doesnt use read this one |
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| 16:27.43 | Thug-N-Me | how dop i list all the installed files from one pakcage ? |
| 16:27.45 | Thug-N-Me | package |
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| 16:27.56 | thingfish | oh yay, it's sunny and dry today, which means I have to mow the lawn. :/ |
| 16:28.47 | kspath | Thug-N-Me: : apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update; apt-file search mplayer ; man dpkg |
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| 16:29.40 | thingfish | my apt-file errs out looking for unstable for some reason. |
| 16:29.54 | thingfish | sarge. |
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| 16:30.51 | thingfish | maybe this is one of the bugs that was fixed in 3.1r2 or the previous release. |
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| 16:31.09 | _rockstar | Hi all |
| 16:31.14 | thingfish | well that can't be true, though, because the updates would have the fix. |
| 16:31.17 | thingfish | oh well. |
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| 16:31.32 | sly007 | udev automatically probe for the ieee80211 module and then the ip2200 module upon boot, does any one know how to prevent it from doing so? |
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| 16:31.57 | _rockstar | sly007: Maybe take the firmware out and load it manually |
| 16:32.18 | sly007 | _rockstar, how do I do that? |
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| 16:33.26 | _rockstar | sly007: Nevermind, won't work-- |
| 16:33.26 | mikeConigliaro | is this the correct way to set the fqdn on my debian box? echo “SERVER_FQDN†> /etc/hostname |
| 16:33.30 | _rockstar | Let me think... |
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| 16:34.59 | kspath | !tell mikeConigliaro about hostname |
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| 16:35.37 | tarzeau | 572 debian maintainer/developer have only one or none source package |
| 16:35.51 | tarzeau | 267 debian maintainer/developer haven't uploaded a package for a year |
| 16:36.04 | sinisterr | mikeConigliaro: yes |
| 16:36.33 | blondie | no |
| 16:36.37 | blondie | !tell me about hostname |
| 16:37.04 | mikeConigliaro | sinisterr, this says not to do it that way: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ch10_02.html |
| 16:37.13 | blondie | /etc/hostname shouldn't have the FQDN, just the hostname itself |
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| 16:37.22 | mikeConigliaro | blondie, i think youre right |
| 16:37.34 | blondie | put the fqdn in /etc/hosts |
| 16:37.40 | mikeConigliaro | there seems to be conflicting info out there.. |
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| 16:38.04 | dabaR_ | Does Debian run on a Macbook Pro machine, and which architecture? |
| 16:38.11 | blondie | e.g. from my hosts: 192.168.0.8 saturn.xelam.net saturn |
| 16:38.13 | mikeConigliaro | that strange thing is that im 100% sure that i set the dns domain during the installation |
| 16:38.15 | sinisterr | blondie: is correct |
| 16:38.23 | mikeConigliaro | but it never took |
| 16:38.26 | _rockstar | dabaR_: PowerPC |
| 16:38.36 | dabaR_ | _rockstar: :-/ |
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| 16:38.52 | dabaR_ | _rockstar: the intel based macs. |
| 16:38.53 | blondie | mikeConigliaro: installation asks for hostname and domain name separately doesnt it? |
| 16:39.01 | mikeConigliaro | blondie, yeah, it does |
| 16:39.05 | _rockstar | dabaR_: Forgot the ? at the end. |
| 16:39.20 | mikeConigliaro | maybe i typed it and hit the cancel button by accident |
| 16:39.26 | blondie | hmm, can debian on x86 cope with Macs' EFI stuff? |
| 16:39.29 | mikeConigliaro | thats the only thing i can think oh |
| 16:39.31 | mikeConigliaro | of |
| 16:39.41 | mikeConigliaro | oh well, thanks guys |
| 16:40.04 | is_null | hello everybody, what is the initialisation file i need to edit so i can add startup programs please ? |
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| 16:40.25 | lanchow | is_null: X or no X ? |
| 16:40.45 | kspath | is_null: Have you noticed /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 16:40.46 | is_null | X |
| 16:40.46 | sinisterr | mikeConigliaro: u will need to reboot for it to take affect |
| 16:40.46 | lanchow | see .xinitrc |
| 16:40.46 | _rockstar | dabaR_: Try the i386 packages then. |
| 16:40.57 | is_null | kspath, i do |
| 16:41.09 | is_null | lanchow, thank you |
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| 16:42.02 | dabaR_ | _rockstar: I don't want to again buy a computer that can not really run GNU. |
| 16:42.07 | is_null | i can't locte .xinitrc |
| 16:42.31 | lanchow | is_null: you have to create it : ~/.xinitrc |
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| 16:42.40 | dabaR_ | Does Debian run on a Macbook Pro machine, and which architecture? |
| 16:42.43 | _rockstar | dabaR_: As far as I've seen, the Intel based Macs are running Linux fine. However, my Mac won't be here for another week, so I can't verify. |
| 16:42.43 | lanchow | is_null: example : rxvt & xclock & gnome |
| 16:43.00 | blondie | dabaR_: didn't you just ask that? |
| 16:43.01 | kspath | is_null: Where ~ is an alias for a users homedirectory |
| 16:43.11 | phoohb | Hello Debian folks! Why are there no php-gtk deb-pakage, on testing/sarge? |
| 16:43.33 | blondie | dabaR_: why don't you just buy a cheaper PC laptop? :P |
| 16:43.33 | is_null | yes thank you :) |
| 16:43.42 | instanceOf | dabaR_: debian ppc works great on a powerbook :) |
| 16:43.53 | blondie | instanceOf: not on an intel one |
| 16:44.48 | dabaR_ | blondie: I sure did:) |
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| 16:44.58 | phoohb | That robot apt/dpkg here tels me nada |
| 16:45.15 | kspath | !nada |
| 16:45.26 | kspath | phoohb: Wow you are right. |
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| 16:46.22 | kspath | phoohb: Etch is testing. Sarge is stable. Sid is unstable. |
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| 16:46.55 | phoohb | kspath: okey.. but what about "php-gtk"? |
| 16:47.09 | kspath | phoohb: php-gtk ? |
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| 16:47.37 | chealer | phoohb: it was removed because it was orphaned and not supported |
| 16:47.45 | aarchie | Can someone remind me which packages I need for a USB flash disk to be auto detected & mounted on connection? |
| 16:47.49 | phoohb | kspath, There are no deb of it (php-gtk), and I dont know why. |
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| 16:48.24 | instanceOf | dabaR_: Red Hat plans MacBook distro |
| 16:48.28 | phoohb | chealer, okey, thats clears something, thx for the responds, and your time, tanx again |
| 16:48.49 | chealer | aarchie: try hal and pmount |
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| 16:49.34 | ru_ | I am getting a whole host of errors when i run make modules under cd /usr/src/linux |
| 16:49.39 | ru_ | whats the cause for that usually? |
| 16:49.51 | dabaR_ | instanceOf: http://modular.math.washington.edu/macbook/ |
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| 16:50.50 | tux | hi @all |
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| 16:51.06 | ShotGun | Hi tux |
| 16:51.06 | ru_ | Can anyone offer me some advice: http://pastebin.com/692571 |
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| 16:52.22 | dabaR_ | ru_: are you compiling a kernel? |
| 16:52.32 | aarchie | chealer: thanks. didn't seem to help though. any other thoughts? I'm running etch. |
| 16:52.36 | cyberkni | ru_: Did the the other steps of the kernel compile work? |
| 16:52.50 | chealer | aarchie: do you use a particular session manager? |
| 16:52.56 | tux | ru_ , don't know.... , I'd try sudo make install |
| 16:53.01 | aarchie | i'm in KDE at the moment. |
| 16:53.02 | ShotGun | ru_ : Looks like you R compiling a new kernel |
| 16:53.26 | tux | kernel? oh, than dont try my version |
| 16:53.28 | aarchie | chealer: i'm in KDE. |
| 16:53.55 | chealer | aarchie: ask #debian-kde, or try after restarting X |
| 16:54.08 | chealer | well, KDE should be enough |
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| 16:54.25 | ru_ | no im not compiling my kernel |
| 16:54.31 | ru_ | I am just following this article here: http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/18/33/ |
| 16:54.36 | chealer | aarchie: but according to what people told me that might not be enough. tell me if it doesn't work |
| 16:55.40 | ru_ | sudo make install also produces errors: |
| 16:55.40 | ru_ | http://pastebin.com/692579 |
| 16:55.52 | cyberkni | ru_: That guide depends on you following that person's previous guide where they walk through building a new kernel. |
| 16:56.15 | ru_ | cyberkni, I believe I did that |
| 16:56.52 | aarchie | chealer: thanks for your help. I'll give it a go. |
| 16:57.17 | ShotGun | ru_ : Hang on, I am reading |
| 16:57.19 | ru_ | is it this part that I didnt do right you think : http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/19/31/ |
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| 16:57.33 | ru_ | "sudo tar xvjf /usr/src/linux-source-*.tar.bz2 -C /usr/src/" specifically ? |
| 16:57.35 | ru_ | kk |
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| 16:59.01 | cyberkni | ru_: Did you follow all of those steps or a similar process? Could you give me a little background on what you've done so far? |
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| 16:59.09 | ru_ | had this problem before, and a friend helped me sort it out, now i had to re-install and i dont know what he did |
| 16:59.16 | Balu_der_ | nabend zusammen |
| 16:59.19 | ru_ | Yeah I am pretty sure I did all those steps |
| 16:59.52 | ru_ | installed ivtv, mythtv, updated the xorg.conf, installed gfx card drivers, apt-gett linux source |
| 17:00.00 | ru_ | hmm thinking what else i could of done... |
| 17:00.09 | Xeppo | Is there anyone in here that actively develops debian and would be willing to participate in a short interview with me for a paper I'm writing for school? |
| 17:00.26 | Xeppo | truthfully, you wouldn't need to even be a developer, just someone who has extensive experience in the field of open-source software |
| 17:00.41 | cyberkni | ru_: Alright. Let me read as well... |
| 17:00.52 | ru_ | thanks |
| 17:01.48 | Xeppo | The interview would take a maximum of 5 minutes |
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| 17:02.10 | Xeppo | I only need a line or two... my teacher refuses to let me use internet-only sources >.< |
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| 17:02.28 | ronove | ^^ |
| 17:02.33 | ru_ | Im redoing the "Setting up the build environment:" |
| 17:02.42 | ru_ | Thats probably where I f'ed up hey? |
| 17:02.53 | mne | hi ! can anyone suggest a decent video editing/cutting tool ? I'm using kino to download videos from my DV camera. I tried cinelerra, unfortunately it's extremely unstable. can you suggest anything ? |
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| 17:04.23 | joloc | is it possible to pipe text into the clipboard (gnome) from the shell? |
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| 17:07.03 | Kournikova | hello, i'm wondering if someone is using extlinux to boot the system instead of lilo/grub ? |
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| 17:07.47 | ru_ | could the version of my kernel be no good? |
| 17:07.56 | wols | !tell Kournikova about anyone |
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| 17:08.15 | cyberkni | ru_: eh.. what are you running? |
| 17:08.56 | ru_ | 2.6.12-10-386 |
| 17:09.14 | wols | ru_: use kernelpackage |
| 17:09.26 | ru_ | whats that exactly? |
| 17:09.32 | wols | !kernelpackage |
| 17:09.43 | da5id__ | hi, I'm using debian testing with Suns Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05), I have my printer (Kyocera 1020D) setup to work with CUPS and also installed cupssys-bsd. I can print, except from java programmes. Printing ends in an error java.awt.print.PrinterExeption even if I say not to use the standard printer (Kyocera1020D) but to write to a ps file. The status in the printer dialog says that t |
| 17:09.43 | da5id__ | he printer will not accept new jobs. However lpq and other printer utils (non-java) say the printer is ready and the queue is empty. |
| 17:09.45 | wols | read this: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
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| 17:10.11 | wols | da5id__: ask java folks |
| 17:10.39 | wols | !kernel-package |
| 17:10.39 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 17:11.18 | ru_ | cool |
| 17:11.21 | ru_ | thanks, ill try that |
| 17:11.30 | ru_ | first im gonna just go over everything in that article |
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| 17:11.55 | cyberkni | wols: the catch with that is the guide that ru_ is following doesn't ever make him fully rebuild. It sets up a build environment of the running kernel and the compiles the needs modules seperately. |
| 17:12.12 | wols | cyberkni: and why would he do that? |
| 17:12.45 | cyberkni | wols: I don't know. I would do it the way you are suggesting as well. I'm just trying to clarify things. |
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| 17:12.58 | shogunx | cd mp* |
| 17:13.04 | shogunx | sorry |
| 17:13.10 | wols | it's a stupid howto he's following |
| 17:13.10 | cyberkni | I hate it when I do that. |
| 17:13.22 | wols | he should install kernel-headers instead of making version.h for example |
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| 17:13.42 | cyberkni | ru_: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 17:13.50 | ru_ | how would i check what type of processoris in this box - hyper threading etc..? |
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| 17:13.53 | ru_ | ubuntu |
| 17:14.07 | Ronin | ru_: maybe #ubuntu would be better then? |
| 17:14.09 | wols | ru_: then go to #ubuntu |
| 17:14.12 | wols | this is the wrong channel for you |
| 17:14.16 | pinucset | #ubuntu |
| 17:14.18 | ru_ | I did, but they useless |
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| 17:14.25 | wols | we are useless too |
| 17:14.36 | Ronin | wols: at least in this regard we are |
| 17:14.40 | ru_ | haha no ways, u guys are infinitely more knowledgable than ppl t\here |
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| 17:14.57 | ru_ | its like talking to a brick wall over there |
| 17:15.00 | wols | ru_: but we won't answer you anymore. now go before it becomes a flamewar, please |
| 17:15.03 | cyberkni | ru_: check ubuntu's wiki. I remember they had a article on setting up a ivtv/lirc/myth box on there |
| 17:15.14 | ru_ | ok, thanks for the help anyways guys |
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| 17:21.27 | ricardo-ath | hi |
| 17:21.42 | ricardo-ath | can i please ask a basic question about deb packages |
| 17:22.01 | jharrisonwk | ricardo-ath: no one is stopping you |
| 17:22.19 | tralala | ricardo-ath: don't ask to ask or ask dpkg about ask |
| 17:22.28 | ricardo-ath | i apologize i am a novice to debian |
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| 17:22.44 | ricardo-ath | i need to use the make command |
| 17:22.56 | ricardo-ath | i found a deb package on teh debian site |
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| 17:23.02 | ricardo-ath | how do i install it? |
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| 17:23.13 | yos87 | When I install mplayer, it say cannot find gcc, what is the gcc? |
| 17:23.14 | tralala | ricardo-ath: apt-get install make |
| 17:23.35 | valdyn | ricardo-ath: you are probably looking for 'apt-get install build-essential' |
| 17:23.48 | valdyn | ricardo-ath: since make by itself isnt good for much |
| 17:23.53 | tralala | yos87: the GNU C Compiler |
| 17:24.08 | yos87 | how to install it |
| 17:24.15 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 17:24.16 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 17:24.23 | is_null | hello everybody; i have created a .xinitrc file un my home directory with several commands separated with &, but server xorg doesn't execute them; any clue please ? |
| 17:24.23 | Nikolay | ricardo-ath: with dpkg program you can install dpkg programms. Or, you can try to use ar archiver and do it by hand :O) |
| 17:24.25 | valdyn | yos87: use marillats repository to install mplayer |
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| 17:24.55 | is_null | yos87, you can apt vlc, overall multimedia player not using codecs :) |
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| 17:25.16 | tralala | ricardo-ath: before attempting to compile anything (assuming this is the reason you need make) check if it is already apt-gettable |
| 17:25.16 | valdyn | is_null: umm, vlc uses codecs |
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| 17:25.33 | is_null | valdyn, my bad, not needing to install them appart |
| 17:25.52 | valdyn | is_null: depending on which ones you need |
| 17:25.53 | tralala | vlc is nice but not nearly as functional as mplayer |
| 17:25.55 | yos87 | is_null: but vlc is not very graphic, it's poor |
| 17:26.08 | aarchie | chealer: thanks for your help. I think it needed a bit more than hal & pmount. I apt-get install (ed) gnome and something in there got it auto mounting in both kde & gnome. |
| 17:26.10 | tralala | yos87: there is wxvlc |
| 17:26.33 | ricardo-ath | tralala i need to install openssl |
| 17:26.46 | ricardo-ath | when i run ./config it says it cannot find make |
| 17:26.51 | zea_ | hi. how do I add scripts to a initrd image (directory /scripts) using mkinitrd? |
| 17:27.06 | yos87 | taralala: the same, it's poor |
| 17:27.06 | valdyn | ricardo-ath: what is wrong with debians openssl? |
| 17:27.08 | tralala | ricardo-ath: openssl is already in debian. You don't need to compile it |
| 17:27.13 | yos87 | what is the last version? i have 0.8 |
| 17:27.22 | ricardo-ath | tralala i need to install the timestamping patch |
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| 17:27.44 | ricardo-ath | so i need to recompile openssl |
| 17:27.48 | valdyn | its really confusing when people no knowing to compile want to patch something |
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| 17:28.22 | valdyn | ricardo-ath: have you looked if that patch isnt already in debians openssl? |
| 17:28.25 | tralala | ricardo-ath: it seems that you need someone who knows his way around debian and compiling to do it for you |
| 17:28.29 | samuel | anyone else have this problem? im trying to get php to work on apache but doesnt execute the php, just downloads it |
| 17:28.35 | ricardo-ath | valdyn please do not help me |
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| 17:28.58 | valdyn | ricardo-ath: no worries, i wont |
| 17:29.06 | ricardo-ath | tralala i just need to know how to install the deb package for make |
| 17:29.10 | is_null | hello everybody; i have created a .xinitrc file un my home directory with several commands separated with &, but server xorg doesn't execute them when starting; any clue please ? |
| 17:29.25 | tralala | ricardo-ath: I thought I told you already, didn't I? |
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| 17:29.34 | Nikolay | ricardo-ath: Try to install auto-apt. Then use this package. The auto-apt automatically install all required packages, i.e. make etc |
| 17:29.41 | ricardo-ath | please say again its a havoc in here |
| 17:29.55 | ricardo-ath | i need exact commands |
| 17:30.27 | wols | ricardo-ath: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 17:30.56 | tralala | ricardo-ath: you need to learn how to use apt-get or aptitude. There are manuals available - man apt-get. As for now just use what wols suggests. |
| 17:30.58 | ricardo-ath | do i need to be online? |
| 17:31.04 | wols | but since you don't know anything, this will not help you. I doubt you can manage to compile openssl the way it's needed if it hasn't that timestamp patch already |
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| 17:31.10 | valdyn | !faqsmite ricardo-ath |
| 17:31.11 | dpkg | ricardo-ath: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:33.31 | blondie | does anyone know if the azureus package in testing works? i run it and nothing happens -- the process is running but console shows no output, just a blinking cursor, and no window opens |
| 17:33.31 | dererk | Hi all! :) |
| 17:33.32 | valdyn | blondie: i dont, but azureus keeps being problematic in debian, i would recommend you use upstream |
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| 17:33.54 | ricardo-ath | guys relax i am an expert user making millions for programming for the greek state |
| 17:33.54 | valdyn | blondie: it also doesnt run with any of the free java virtual machines |
| 17:33.59 | ricardo-ath | i just installed debian now |
| 17:34.04 | ricardo-ath | i am fully unix aware |
| 17:34.06 | Ronin | heh sure ricardo-ath |
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| 17:34.27 | ricardo-ath | you bet |
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| 17:34.45 | wols | since this is 1st of may and a bank holiday almost all ovre europe, can was make it a honorary sunday? |
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| 17:34.56 | wols | I mean with a statement like this, it has to be |
| 17:35.05 | Ronin | wols: may as well its shaping up that way |
| 17:35.10 | ricardo-ath | the faq is good thanks |
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| 17:35.55 | wols | there can't be any other place where you can make millions by working for the government |
| 17:36.00 | tarzeau | anyone play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net over the network with me? |
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| 17:37.13 | jetscreamer | heh that's really a game eh |
| 17:37.20 | emergo | does anyone know how to enable "unix extensions" on samba 3.0 ? |
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| 17:37.56 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: sure |
| 17:37.59 | jetscreamer | wols: america? |
| 17:38.18 | wols | greece. didn't you hear ricardo? he knows his stuff, he does |
| 17:39.07 | jetscreamer | i was just responding to the... <wols> there can't be any other place |
| 17:39.12 | kspath | If one is making millions than perhaps hiring a debian expert would be worthwhile. |
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| 17:40.06 | shogunx | kspath, debian experts aren't that cheap;) |
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| 17:40.08 | jetscreamer | he should hire you to remote admin |
| 17:40.24 | kspath | jetscreamer: I am not an expert in things debian. |
| 17:40.30 | fluxdude_home | Hi, I've got a debian server with a software raid 5 but the md driver only finds the raid array and reassembles it after the fstab has failed to mount the raid in the filesystem. What can I do about this? |
| 17:40.33 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 17:40.41 | wols | kspath: you can pretend. not as if ricardo knew the difference :) |
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| 17:41.13 | fluxdude_home | I'm thinking about recompiling a vanilla kernel but I'd rather stick with the debian one since it ties in nicer with kern mods... |
| 17:41.24 | kspath | wols: True. However, I try not to pretend/decieve/lie. Perhaps that is why recruiters do not pick me. |
| 17:41.30 | valdyn | fluxdude_home: im not sure how you can hit that error in debian, but you need to have the md initscript executed before the mountall script |
| 17:42.06 | shogunx | kspath if you did pretend/deceive/lie, you could get a job for microsoft easy. |
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| 17:42.15 | jetscreamer | omfg |
| 17:42.36 | jetscreamer | i know a stupid idiot who knows nothing, i swear... and HE got a job at microsoft |
| 17:42.52 | jetscreamer | and i'm being nice when i describe him |
| 17:42.53 | fluxdude_home | valdyn: I didn't think that an init script was required, the kernel should find and reassemble the array before any init scripts are used... |
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| 17:43.03 | shogunx | jetscreamer, he must be a master bullshitter... they need them for the FUD factory. |
| 17:43.13 | jetscreamer | then the stupid fucker failed the drug test |
| 17:43.15 | kspath | I have met people that have gotten jobs that knew/know nothing but it only matters what those hiring think/believe. |
| 17:43.24 | jetscreamer | then he retook it,and they hired him |
| 17:43.37 | valdyn | fluxdude_home: yea, both can happen, but im not to familiar with the details |
| 17:43.41 | jetscreamer | son of a friend of mine |
| 17:43.58 | shogunx | jetscreamer, i got a job once, and they told me that there was a drug test... that I must test the drugs. |
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| 17:44.33 | kspath | shogunx: Pharma Quality Control? |
| 17:44.41 | jetscreamer | or lab rat :) |
| 17:44.57 | valdyn | fluxdude_home: is you raid5 driver a modules or statically compiled? is it in /etc/modules ? |
| 17:45.05 | shogunx | kspath, only at 4:20 dialy. |
| 17:46.17 | shogunx | kspath anyway, i'll keep my business, beard, and dreadlocks, and let the bullshitters have the jobs... they need someone to tell them what to do anyway. |
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| 17:46.47 | xface | root@dell:~/Desktop# apt-get install /root/Desktop/gnome-btdownload_0.0.22-1_all.deb |
| 17:46.52 | xface | why this wont work? |
| 17:46.57 | xface | it says it cant file the file |
| 17:47.06 | xface | although iam issuing the correct path |
| 17:47.07 | shogunx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.13 | valdyn | xface: because apt-get does not accept debian package files as argument |
| 17:47.27 | antoine-c | you should use dpkg -i |
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| 17:47.38 | shogunx | xface though i recommend bittornado for that;) |
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| 17:48.38 | xface | shogunx, hey thanks |
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| 17:48.44 | xface | doe sit have a ncie light gui? |
| 17:48.46 | flaco | hi.... anyone has a logitech marble mouse and an IBM laptop trackpoint working both? |
| 17:48.55 | tarzeau | xface: sid? |
| 17:49.01 | xface | sid? |
| 17:49.04 | Oystein- | Newbie question: What is the command to start the gui? |
| 17:49.13 | shogunx | xface bittornado-gui is the package for that. but yes, it does. |
| 17:49.13 | tarzeau | does it.. ah |
| 17:49.17 | fluxdude_home | valdyn: it's a module, but it is loaded, at least when the system is up it's already there, but it doesn't restart the array, perhaps it's used too late... |
| 17:49.18 | wols | Oystein-: startx |
| 17:49.19 | tralala | Oystein-: startx |
| 17:49.21 | tarzeau | man can you not write without typos? |
| 17:49.25 | wols | Oystein-: but you need to install x-window-system |
| 17:49.36 | wols | tarzeau: I can't, no |
| 17:49.37 | xface | apt-get install bittornado |
| 17:49.39 | valdyn | fluxdude_home: is it in /etc/modules ? |
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| 17:49.42 | xface | ? |
| 17:49.43 | [D]ARKFENIX | hello |
| 17:49.56 | shogunx | xface yep. |
| 17:50.00 | [D]ARKFENIX | does anybody tested motif? |
| 17:50.11 | valdyn | fluxdude_home: i think it maybe get loaded to late if it is not there, that is _by_ the init script, which is to _after_ mountall.sh |
| 17:50.15 | wols | motif still exists? |
| 17:50.20 | xface | yes but it doesnt going to tray :( |
| 17:50.35 | xface | i dont like it minimized'i want it trayinzed :) |
| 17:50.51 | [D]ARKFENIX | yes , open motif |
| 17:51.02 | [D]ARKFENIX | is it like gnome or kde |
| 17:51.04 | shogunx | xface try enlighenment then... apt-get install enlightenment eterm |
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| 17:51.11 | [D]ARKFENIX | or is like xfeee or xorg? |
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| 17:51.13 | wols | no it's not. definitely not |
| 17:51.16 | valdyn | fluxdude_home: i know i require raid5 in /etc/modules for fstab entries to work, i dont remember what exactly happened if i do not |
| 17:51.17 | [D]ARKFENIX | i'm confused |
| 17:51.33 | wols | it's like Qt or grk if you want to compare it loke that. only a lot more ugly and crappier |
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| 17:51.39 | wols | *gtk |
| 17:51.40 | [D]ARKFENIX | noooo |
| 17:51.44 | [D]ARKFENIX | in function |
| 17:51.48 | wols | yes in function |
| 17:51.52 | fluxdude_home | ah no, thanks I'll try it now... |
| 17:51.55 | [D]ARKFENIX | (lol) |
| 17:52.15 | shogunx | !tuple |
| 17:52.15 | dpkg | tuple is probably See n-tuple. |
| 17:52.17 | fluxdude_home | valdyn: thanks for your help, i'll see what it does now... |
| 17:52.22 | shogunx | !n-tuple |
| 17:52.22 | dpkg | somebody said n-tuple was ((pronounced en-too-pull)) This is a mathematical term for a finite sequence of n terms. For example, the set {1, 2, 3, 4} is a 4-tuple. The set {Frank, Jane, Ed} is a 3-tuple. Any time there is a list of n things in a certain order, you can think of it as an n-tuple. |
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| 17:52.40 | xface | enlightment is cool? |
| 17:52.56 | xface | xcfe4 |
| 17:52.57 | Nikolay | no |
| 17:53.00 | xface | enlightment or |
| 17:53.02 | xface | fluxbox |
| 17:53.06 | xface | what should i use? |
| 17:53.06 | antoine-c | dpkg, yes... but a n-tuple is as a vector with n components |
| 17:53.06 | dpkg | antoine-c: okay |
| 17:53.14 | shogunx | xface i like it very much. it is light on the processor and memory too/ |
| 17:53.17 | [D]ARKFENIX | wols : i'm sayin that motif if is a graphical enviroinment (avoiding characteristics) like kde , gnome xfce . Or is it a server (xorg , xfree ) |
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| 17:53.32 | xface | iam on 1,8GHz |
| 17:53.36 | wols | !nickometer [D]ARKFENIX |
| 17:53.38 | dpkg | '[D]ARKFENIX' is 99.9019% lame, wols |
| 17:53.38 | xface | nad 256MB ram |
| 17:53.41 | valdyn | antoine-c: { "a" , "b" , "c" } is a vector ? |
| 17:53.42 | wols | close |
| 17:53.45 | shogunx | [D]ARKFENIX its neither. |
| 17:53.49 | wols | [D]ARKFENIX: it's neither |
| 17:53.50 | kelt | when I try to rm -rf dir/ it says cannot remove dir/filename.jpg Input/Output Error how can I fix this? the files aren't immutable either... |
| 17:53.53 | mc___ | [D]ARKFENIX, it is a library |
| 17:53.55 | antoine-c | valdyn no sure |
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| 17:54.08 | antoine-c | i've said "as" not "equals" ;) |
| 17:54.14 | jetscreamer | kelt: it's -R not -r |
| 17:54.24 | jetscreamer | uh kelt |
| 17:54.30 | jetscreamer | don't rm -Rf / |
| 17:54.40 | valdyn | antoine-c: a vector can be seen as an n-tuple, not vice versa.. |
| 17:54.53 | antoine-c | valdyn yes |
| 17:54.59 | kelt | okay, jetscreamer when I do rm dir/filename.jpg it says, Input/Output Error |
| 17:55.03 | shogunx | xface i'm on a 10ghz openmosix cluster, with 5 gigs of ram total, and i still like lightweight components. |
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| 17:55.08 | kelt | if that makes you feel any better |
| 17:55.20 | jetscreamer | kelt: rm -R /somedir/dir-to-del |
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| 17:55.29 | wols | kelt: look in dmesg if there are any error messages |
| 17:55.32 | mc___ | i have 233mhz and 64mb ram |
| 17:55.36 | tux | OMFG!!!! 111 !!! 4|23 |_| 1337 3|\||_|ff ?? |
| 17:55.40 | mc___ | shogunx, lets swap? |
| 17:55.53 | antoine-c | how to know if my motherboard support acpi and has termal sensors ? |
| 17:55.59 | kspath | tux: Is that necessary? |
| 17:56.05 | tux | no |
| 17:56.12 | mc___ | antgel, look into dmesg |
| 17:56.19 | jetscreamer | antoine-c: go to the makers site and look up the model # |
| 17:56.30 | wols | abrotman: look in BIOS. if it has thermal sensors they will show up there |
| 17:56.32 | kelt | yes wols I get an I/O error stuff can I paste it in flood? |
| 17:56.37 | shogunx | mc___ try this... scavenge several machines, and i'll help you cluster them. |
| 17:56.37 | tux | just a good advice for the others kspath |
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| 17:56.39 | jetscreamer | wols: not always |
| 17:56.42 | antoine-c | wols, any sensors in my bios |
| 17:56.51 | antoine-c | and i've found nothing on the intel site |
| 17:57.04 | mc___ | shogunx, i havent got money |
| 17:57.09 | kelt | reiserfs_read_inode2: i/o failure ... |
| 17:57.10 | wols | kelt: sure |
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| 17:57.26 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:57.33 | wols | kelt: that disk is probably fried |
| 17:57.34 | mc___ | shogunx, you cold help me with some |
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| 17:57.47 | shogunx | mc___ thats why i said scavenge. and i did not (and still occasionally do not) have money when i started the cluster. the nodes came from a dumpster. |
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| 17:57.59 | jetscreamer | mc___: no i have first dibs on free money |
| 17:57.59 | abrotman | wols: no? |
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| 17:58.16 | jade | how can i get info about an uninstalled, undownloaded deb package that is in the apt-cache listing ? (e.g. libmysqlclient) |
| 17:58.28 | mc___ | shogunx, are all the machines in the cluster old ones? |
| 17:58.30 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search or apt-cache show |
| 17:58.35 | jade | thanks |
| 17:58.38 | jetscreamer | man apt-cache |
| 17:58.50 | shogunx | jetscreamer there is no such thing. money, by definition, in the US at least, is inhernetly encumbered. without the federal reserve, it would be a different story. |
| 17:58.56 | jetscreamer | see also apt-file |
| 17:59.05 | jetscreamer | but that's different |
| 17:59.35 | shogunx | mc___ not any more, but the fastest host on the cluster is a 1.6 ghz athlon. |
| 17:59.48 | tux | another good advice for the terminal: sudo mv /boot /dev/null |
| 18:00.10 | jetscreamer | yep, it's sunday |
| 18:00.13 | shogunx | mc___ fastest simgle processor host anyway. i have a quad 450 xeon in there also. |
| 18:00.34 | wols | shogunx: encumbered how? |
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| 18:00.54 | wols | my money is mainly encumbered by the government, usually taxes. but from the banks? |
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| 18:01.26 | mc___ | shogunx, nice one |
| 18:01.26 | _ThePiratemaster | does any know when pafica is gonna hit the sotres? |
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| 18:01.48 | jetscreamer | it's more fun! |
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| 18:02.01 | wols | _ThePiratemaster: when AM2 sockjet cpus ship. next month or end of this |
| 18:02.07 | xapaho | hiya |
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| 18:02.16 | shogunx | wols the us no longer has the authority to print its own currency. that job was passed to the federal reserve is a secret meeting of congress. the federal reserve is owned by private institutions... international banks. did you ever wonder why your dollar does not say gold certificate any longer, option for federal reserve note instead? |
| 18:02.38 | wols | _ThePiratemaster: it's pacifica btw |
| 18:02.45 | shogunx | wols, if the entire national debt were paid off, there would be no currency in circulation. |
| 18:02.57 | shogunx | hence, encumbered. |
| 18:03.23 | wols | there is not enough currency in circulation to pay it off either |
| 18:03.34 | blondie | shogunx: is that why the US has Monopoly money? :P |
| 18:03.42 | wols | and the money is not in banknotes anymore either anyways |
| 18:03.52 | shogunx | wols not in the M1, no. |
| 18:04.15 | shogunx | blondie that happened because roosevelt sold all the gold, and johnson sold all the remaining silver. |
| 18:04.19 | wols | the gov not having the authority to print the money is a GOOD thing |
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| 18:04.26 | xapaho | i'd need a little help with apt-get and synaptic: using synaptic on sarge (3.1r1), I enabled backports repository and upgraded synaptic (I know, this was a mistake!) |
| 18:04.28 | wols | btw: I'm german. no dollars here :) |
| 18:05.02 | kspath | wols: euros? marks? pfennigs? |
| 18:05.12 | wols | euros and cents now |
| 18:05.21 | shogunx | wols if you want a non-soverign entity for a gov, sure. and the german system got coopted by the rothsechiles long before they cracked america. |
| 18:05.22 | wols | but you can still bring back your marks and get euros for them |
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| 18:05.39 | kspath | I find this money talk interesting but this is #debian. |
| 18:05.40 | wols | shogunx: you're talking BS, do you know that? :) |
| 18:05.51 | deepspace | aheh |
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| 18:05.58 | shogunx | wols i would be happy to send you all the relevant proof. |
| 18:06.23 | wols | if I need more conspiracy theories I ask google, but thanks |
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| 18:06.45 | xapaho | now the synaptic update has also updated apt-get, and I can't downgrade synpatic any more |
| 18:06.50 | shogunx | wols believe what you choose. |
| 18:07.04 | wols | shogunx: exactly :) |
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| 18:07.07 | zamaliphe | vdr: please turn off UTF-8 before starting VDR ;how to tern it off? |
| 18:07.10 | wols | xapaho: is an update apt-get bad? |
| 18:07.15 | shogunx | i am not responsible for your ignorance on the matter. |
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| 18:07.29 | xapaho | the updated apt-get works, but synaptic doesn't |
| 18:07.34 | xapaho | wols, the updated apt-get works, but synaptic doesn't |
| 18:07.37 | wols | xpyou might be able to downgrade with dpkg and its --force options. but it can be dangerous |
| 18:08.20 | wols | basically install the old versions of synaptic and apt directly via dpkg and --force |
| 18:08.42 | wols | but as I said: be careful. if you mess up dpkg in the process there is no way back |
| 18:09.03 | xapaho | wols, can you guide me please ? why would dpkg be at risk ? |
| 18:09.20 | deepspace | As a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and a Freemason, I shall now distupgrade. |
| 18:09.36 | wols | cause all three handle installing of packages. dpkg being the lowest most fundamental. if that is broken all others break and can't be fixed anymore |
| 18:09.39 | justStormY | Hi is any well englisch speaking person here - which can correct an introduction of me? |
| 18:09.52 | wols | and if you install a new apt, the dependencies could have caused and updated dpkg as well |
| 18:10.23 | wols | justStormY: only debian geeks here. they usually excel in maths. less so in languages |
| 18:10.30 | deepspace | What is it you need, justStormY? |
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| 18:10.53 | xapaho | wols, i don't think so, when I upgraded synaptic I was very careful and saw only apt-get pieces to be updated |
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| 18:11.14 | myren | anyone familiar with reaim? will it allow me to stay connected to AIM even if i dont have a client program open? |
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| 18:12.09 | xapaho | wols, now I'm not so comfy with dpkg, can you guide me with the syntax ? |
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| 18:12.46 | wols | dpkg --force-help |
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| 18:13.48 | xapaho | wols, can I use downgrade for this ? |
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| 18:14.41 | justStormY | deepspace: i'm not registered in here - so can you please send me your email in qry - than can i send you the short introduction |
| 18:15.01 | wols | afaik yes. long time since I last fudged around with those options |
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| 18:16.26 | xapaho | wols, now i'm scared the h*ll again, heh |
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| 18:17.15 | wols | xapaho: as you should. I usually am when I have to resort to them |
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| 18:17.38 | justStormY | deepspace: i've send you an email - thank's for ypur help |
| 18:17.43 | ghost_ | hello, can anyone help me w/ an X issue, i did a base install, installed x-window-system-core and gnome-core, when i run startx i get an erroe saying that it cant open /dev/input/mice and.. No core pointer |
| 18:17.49 | ghost_ | anyideas? |
| 18:18.07 | justStormY | email should be now received ;) |
| 18:18.18 | antoine-c | ghost_ are you sure that your mice is connected |
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| 18:18.30 | deepspace | ok |
| 18:18.34 | xapaho | wols, thanks! hope is what matters :) |
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| 18:19.24 | wols | ghost_: does /dev/input/mice exist? |
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| 18:20.26 | antoine-c | ghost_ does hwinfo found a mouse ? |
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| 18:21.47 | ghost_ | antoine-c: yup it is, wols no its not, antoine-c 1 sec\ |
| 18:22.15 | ghost_ | when i installed it i was going back andforth via my kvm tho.. |
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| 18:24.46 | pingouin | who knows a list of mobile phone that works/sync with linux ? (vidéo captured on mobile-->hard drive linux / pics captured on mobile phone ->hard drive linux) usb/bluetooth ? |
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| 18:25.31 | jonathan` | is there a way to reconfigure the amount of swap space after you've already installed debian? |
| 18:26.41 | Nikolay | jonathan`: You can use swapfiles for ex |
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| 18:27.29 | darsie | jonathan`: change the size of your swap partition. use makeswap, IIRC, to initialize it. |
| 18:27.30 | jonathan` | Nikolay, does that just involve a few simple commands or should i look up documentation on it? |
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| 18:27.51 | wols | fairly few. make a big file with dd |
| 18:27.54 | Hamachh | Hey, i cant find the unstable apt-get sources, anybody that can help me? |
| 18:28.02 | wols | then mkfs.swap on that file then swapon on that file |
| 18:28.09 | jetscreamer | dont make a sparse one, mkswap -v1 |
| 18:28.18 | wols | if you want to make it permanent, you neeed to add it to /etc/fstab |
| 18:28.19 | jetscreamer | dont make a sparse one, and use mkswap -v1 |
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| 18:28.51 | wols | jetscreamer: is dd making sparse files? |
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| 18:29.00 | jetscreamer | bs=something and then count=size |
| 18:29.07 | tralala | Hamachh: www.debian.org/mirrors |
| 18:29.09 | jetscreamer | wols: dd 'can' |
| 18:29.23 | jetscreamer | bvy default, i dunno |
| 18:29.34 | Nikolay | jonathan`: for example: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512; mkswap /swapfile; swapon /swapfile |
| 18:29.36 | wols | I thought it was all zero filled files by default |
| 18:29.47 | wols | maybe cause I usually use if=/dev/zero I guess :) |
| 18:29.52 | darsie | or add another swap partition. |
| 18:29.52 | darsie | jonathan`: is it temporary or permanent? |
| 18:29.58 | jonathan` | darsie, need permanent |
| 18:30.17 | jetscreamer | mkswap -v1 if -v1 is still not the default |
| 18:30.19 | Nikolay | jonathan`: Indeed you can use cound more than 512 if you wish. |
| 18:30.24 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 18:30.25 | wols | jonathan`: you could try resizing partitions with gparted |
| 18:30.29 | jetscreamer | that would be a 5k file |
| 18:30.34 | jetscreamer | not a 5meg |
| 18:30.36 | jetscreamer | i think |
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| 18:30.52 | jonathan` | the size goes in kb it looks like |
| 18:30.52 | jetscreamer | it's in bytes iirc |
| 18:30.56 | jetscreamer | or so yeah |
| 18:31.23 | darsie | jonathan`: for peramnent partition(s) are better, I think. |
| 18:31.27 | jetscreamer | 512000 would be more like it |
| 18:31.42 | jetscreamer | or 512*1024 |
| 18:31.50 | jonathan` | so i would be better off going through fstab? |
| 18:32.06 | jonathan` | or should i use gparted? |
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| 18:32.08 | jetscreamer | and then, you put it in fstab after you make the swapfile |
| 18:32.14 | darsie | unless you don't mind a performance drop |
| 18:32.18 | wols | if you want it permanent you always will need to add it to fstab |
| 18:32.33 | wols | buy you can add files or you can add partitions |
| 18:32.37 | wols | *but |
| 18:32.55 | jonathan` | well, im not too worried about performance, this machine is only for 2 things |
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| 18:33.17 | jetscreamer | files work. i use a file. |
| 18:33.23 | darsie | then a file is probably ok. |
| 18:33.35 | jetscreamer | i don't like going over 4 partitions to an hd though |
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| 18:34.11 | jonathan` | right now its only got the default for install and the swap, so dont think it will hurt it too much |
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| 18:34.37 | jetscreamer | you can have a swap partition, AND some swapfiles if you want |
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| 18:34.49 | jetscreamer | there's a prority directive |
| 18:34.54 | jetscreamer | uh priority |
| 18:35.45 | jonathan` | ill go with whatevers easiest lol |
| 18:35.54 | jetscreamer | and it's lots easier to make a swapfile than repartition |
| 18:35.56 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 18:36.28 | jonathan` | so i should do 'mkswap -v1 /swapfile -c 512*1024' ? or something along those lines? |
| 18:36.46 | jetscreamer | just mkswap -v1 /swapfile works for me |
| 18:36.57 | jonathan` | i need it to be a certain size |
| 18:37.05 | jetscreamer | that 'formats' it to swapspace |
| 18:37.10 | TonyRad | I'm having a big issue at the current moment... I have a samba server running on my network.. and as of this morning none of my windows xp machines can connect to it. It keeps saying user might not have permissions and Multiple connections to a server or shared resource by the same user, using more than one user name, are not allowed. I'm going crazy trying to figure this out.. Any thoughts? |
| 18:37.11 | jetscreamer | you create the file with dd |
| 18:37.25 | jetscreamer | then you mount the swap, either manually or via fstab |
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| 18:37.35 | TonyRad | However, I can still connect to the server by using the IP address |
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| 18:37.53 | jonathan` | so would Nikolay's command above be fine for that? |
| 18:38.00 | fbls | is it safe to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.16.11 ? |
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| 18:38.53 | jetscreamer | yeah, the only thing i don't know about in that command is the bs=, i don't know what it does and i don't have my notes handy (no jfs driver in windows) |
| 18:39.02 | jetscreamer | but i know you need it |
| 18:39.11 | jonathan` | k, lets give it a whirl |
| 18:39.27 | xapaho | ok wols, I solved my synaptic issue with simple dpkg -i statements (apt, apt-utils and aptitude) from the dvd -- txs for ur guidance, cheers |
| 18:39.55 | jetscreamer | ur is a country |
| 18:39.55 | TonyRad | Anybody? |
| 18:40.42 | ifvoid | TonyRad: nothing useful in your smb logs? |
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| 18:40.57 | plasmid | i've installed debian-net install twice with the 2.6 kernel. ON both occasions after two or three boots (desktop and laptop) debian tells me: Waiting for Root File System... ALERT! /devhda1 does not exist!Dropping to a shell. <--then i get annoyed and I reinstall debian with thes same results. ANyone expereienced this b4? |
| 18:41.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | damn, when i do apt-get install grub i don't get any stage1 and such in /boot/grub/, why is that? |
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| 18:41.15 | TonyRad | Not that I can find |
| 18:41.17 | justStormY | deepspace: many mistakes?^^ |
| 18:41.23 | jonathan` | TonyRad, i assume from how you worded it, they had been working previously? |
| 18:41.37 | TonyRad | It's only xp that has the issue, 2000 works fine. They were all working perfect until this morning |
| 18:41.38 | ifvoid | TonyRad: and do linux clients work? |
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| 18:42.00 | TonyRad | I don't have any linux clients to attempt connection with |
| 18:42.00 | PredaGR | hello, is there any way that I can handle dual gateways with iptables? like some ports go over one gateway and rest from the other gateway? |
| 18:42.19 | ifvoid | PredaGR: not with iptables |
| 18:42.21 | oaaronminr | How do I configure my mouse?! X won't launch because of it. |
| 18:42.29 | PredaGR | ifvoid: how then? |
| 18:42.39 | TonyRad | To me, it almost sounds like perhaps a dns issue or something.. but once again, only xp is having problems, 2000 is fine |
| 18:42.41 | ifvoid | PredaGR: it's possible though, check out the advanced routing howto |
| 18:42.46 | justStormY | oaaronminr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver |
| 18:43.00 | oaaronminr | Okay. |
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| 18:43.06 | PredaGR | ifvoid: thanks will take a look at this howto |
| 18:43.08 | ifvoid | PredaGR: with iproute, I think |
| 18:43.12 | oaaronminr | Thank you. |
| 18:43.16 | plasmid | and i installed testing on both occasions... Should I regress to stable? |
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| 18:43.58 | deepspace | justStormY, no - not a lot of mistakes. I understood what you were writing. I cleaned it up a little bit but what you sent me was not bad at all. |
| 18:43.59 | jonathan` | hmm, the swapspace wont go over 781365 kb |
| 18:44.05 | deepspace | Anyway, I e-mailed you |
| 18:44.07 | jonathan` | but i need 787xxx |
| 18:44.10 | ifvoid | plasmid: it sounds like a udev problem to me |
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| 18:44.22 | TonyRad | How do I check my version of samba? |
| 18:44.25 | ifvoid | plasmid: and that's kind of buggy atm |
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| 18:44.52 | plasmid | ifvoid, so dont use 2.6? doesn't 2.6 come with udev? |
| 18:45.03 | ifvoid | plasmid: uh, well |
| 18:45.20 | ifvoid | plasmid: moderns version of udev need 2.6 |
| 18:45.29 | ifvoid | >2.6.13 even, iirc |
| 18:45.32 | aminor | It's telling me xserver is not installed.... |
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| 18:45.57 | lord_rob | TonyRad: dpkg -l samba-common |
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| 18:46.12 | ifvoid | jonathan`: what do you mean? |
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| 18:46.18 | plasmid | ifvoid, hmm... Odd. I am not sure what to do. I did install ubuntu and it worked like a charm BUT i dont like it... hence debian. |
| 18:46.20 | lord_rob | aminor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:46.29 | jonathan` | nevermind, i figured it out, i was using the wrong partition |
| 18:46.36 | ifvoid | plasmid: debian is pretty similar to ubuntu |
| 18:46.49 | ifvoid | plasmid: but well, there's a reason it's called testing |
| 18:46.56 | ifvoid | it can break |
| 18:47.00 | aminor | Gr. Said that's not installed either. |
| 18:47.09 | TonyRad | I am on 3.0.14a-3 for samba... I do have .deb files for 3.0.10-1.. perhaps 14a is causing a problem? |
| 18:47.12 | plasmid | ifvoid, yeah.. but u think ubuntu uses stable? i mean their stuff is pretty much upto date. |
| 18:47.29 | lord_rob | aminor: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if you're using stable |
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| 18:47.41 | plasmid | ifvoid, and stable is really old. |
| 18:47.45 | ifvoid | ubuntu uses unstable as the basis for their own distro |
| 18:47.51 | ifvoid | but they do their own QA |
| 18:48.00 | ifvoid | (but this is offtopic here) |
| 18:48.25 | xcyp | hello, how can i install an unstable (sid) package in stable? |
| 18:48.27 | plasmid | ifvoid, if they use unstable (and it's based on debian) how come i dont get a similar message? Anyways you are right.. offtopic. |
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| 18:49.21 | ifvoid | plasmid: it's a but in the current testing version in Debian |
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| 18:49.29 | ifvoid | plasmid: at least, that;s what I think |
| 18:49.43 | ifvoid | plasmid: you shoudl probably file a bug about it, so that it can be fixed |
| 18:49.52 | plasmid | ifvoid, hmm.. how do i file a bug? |
| 18:50.12 | lord_rob | plasmid: reportbug |
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| 18:50.26 | kspath | xcyp: It is recommended that you try to look to backports rather than even thinking about mixing testing and/or unstable packages into a stable install. |
| 18:50.30 | plasmid | lord_rob, i dont have debian atm. Just slackware.. |
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| 18:50.35 | ifvoid | plasmid: reportbug |
| 18:50.42 | plasmid | !reportbug |
| 18:50.43 | dpkg | i guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug. |
| 18:50.44 | ifvoid | oh |
| 18:50.46 | kspath | !tell xcyp about backports |
| 18:50.54 | xcyp | kspath, i want to install php5 in stable :) |
| 18:50.54 | ifvoid | plasmid: or you can just send a mail |
| 18:51.08 | ifvoid | plasmid: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 18:51.22 | plasmid | ifvoid, thanks :-) |
| 18:51.36 | martoss | has anybody a working xrandr rotation with xorg radeon driver? |
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| 18:52.46 | kspath | !tell xcyp about php5 |
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| 18:53.11 | kspath | !tell xcyp about dotdeb |
| 18:53.22 | xcyp | thanks |
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| 18:55.48 | amee2k | is it considered lame to rename all root accounts on the network to 'God'? |
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| 18:56.02 | wols | maybe unusual |
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| 18:56.23 | jonathan` | would the LD_LIBRARY_PATH for debian just be /usr/lib? |
| 18:56.24 | amee2k | o.O |
| 18:56.29 | jonathan` | or is there a way i can view the environment variable? |
| 18:56.36 | wols | jonathan`: env |
| 18:56.42 | valdyn | jonathan`: cat /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 18:57.07 | jonathan` | valdyn, cool, thanks :) |
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| 18:57.42 | valdyn | jonathan`: using ld_library path would require to rescan libs for _each_ start of a program, that would be silly |
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| 18:58.00 | jonathan` | im setting up oracle, i just needed to know the path |
| 18:58.18 | valdyn | jonathan`: doesnt make sense really, but i dont know oracle |
| 18:58.49 | jonathan` | well, it says this: Set the library loading path in your environment to the directory in Step 2 ("instantclient"). On many UNIX platforms, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the appropriate environment variable |
| 18:59.24 | liran_ | a system i have gets to a point where it doesn't respond or it has a delay of several seconds (its too loaded, uptime shows a load of >4.0). it has 512ram and 512swap but i see that it gets to a point where 50mb of ram are free and still no swap is utilized... any ideas? |
| 18:59.39 | valdyn | jonathan`: orcales finary should use the debian linker, debians linker will find libraries automagilly as long as they were in the paths in /etc/ld.so.conf during the last ldconfig run, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is only required for libraries being elsewhere |
| 18:59.48 | valdyn | jonathan`: s/finary/binary/ |
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| 19:00.42 | jonathan` | well, this is just a couple of *.so and *.jar files |
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| 19:01.05 | wols | valdyn: the point of LD_... is, you can replace (system) library functions with it |
| 19:01.07 | wols | so those oracle libs can do nasty stuff if they want to |
| 19:01.09 | fbls | is it safe to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.16.11 ? |
| 19:01.16 | valdyn | wols: yes i know |
| 19:01.27 | liran_ | valdyn, can you check out this load problem im having? |
| 19:01.45 | jonathan` | hmm, well, they have an RPM package available |
| 19:01.50 | jonathan` | that might be easier |
| 19:02.11 | wols | liran_: ram is never supposed to be free, so 50MB free is a lot. also, which process uses all the cpu when this happens? |
| 19:02.19 | valdyn | liran_: a load of 4 is not much at all |
| 19:02.25 | wols | jonathan`: use RHEL (or centos) for oracle |
| 19:02.32 | valdyn | liran_: uname -r |
| 19:03.15 | jonathan` | wols, im just trying debian because its the one im most used to, but if i cant get it to work right i'll definitely try CentOS |
| 19:03.31 | valdyn | !oracle |
| 19:03.31 | dpkg | i guess oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ |
| 19:03.32 | liran_ | wols/valdyn: thats the thing, im checking with 'top' and everything but i dont see anything taking up cpu. maybe its network load? cause its some embedded box (runing busybox i think) which is accessed alot, all the time. |
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| 19:03.55 | jonathan` | the only thing im using it for is getting php to talk to it anyway |
| 19:03.59 | valdyn | liran_: load can be network / io / cpu |
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| 19:04.19 | Nikolay | !mysql |
| 19:04.19 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 19:04.22 | valdyn | liran_: and load doesnt really give a hint on how responsive your system will be |
| 19:04.41 | Nikolay | !postgreesql |
| 19:04.48 | Nikolay | no one |
| 19:05.00 | valdyn | liran_: except for high load being worse than low load on the same system there's nothing else you can conclude.. |
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| 19:05.03 | jonathan` | Nikolay, mysql would be my first choice but i dont have the option available |
| 19:05.13 | plasmid | ifvoid, submitted the bug. It's strange that it happens on both my desktop and laptop. Anyways, i have to install something else... |
| 19:05.13 | kspath | !tell Nikolay about postgresql |
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| 19:05.26 | wols | my guess it's i/o if it's really unresponsive. check top and see where it uses the most time |
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| 19:05.51 | valdyn | liran_: we cant really debug a blackbox system running busybox for you, since that isn't debian |
| 19:05.57 | wols | plasmid: install sarge. update to testing later |
| 19:06.03 | bono | Question: i just finished net-installing debian sarge... I chose the 'desktop' meta-option... And Gnome got installed, but kde is what i want. Doing 'starkde' doesnt work. What should i do? Anyone can help please? |
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| 19:06.21 | wols | bono: install kde |
| 19:06.28 | Nikolay | kspath: Indeed, thanks, |
| 19:06.29 | [Thom] | What is the best windows system to use on top of debian? kde, gnome.. ? |
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| 19:06.37 | valdyn | [Thom]: your choice |
| 19:06.38 | wols | !best |
| 19:06.39 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:06.40 | bono | wols: kdebase is installed |
| 19:06.41 | plasmid | wols, sarge is sooo olde my friend. I would like to use something a bit more upto date..hence testing but NOT unstable/sid |
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| 19:06.54 | bono | wols: package description says its supposed to be enough. |
| 19:07.01 | Nikolay | [Thom]: fvwm, of course. For me. |
| 19:07.01 | abrotman | WHAT .. NO WEATHERGIRLS?! |
| 19:07.03 | wols | bono: it is |
| 19:07.20 | bono | wols: cause kde installation had problems |
| 19:07.20 | wols | plasmid: read all of what I said, not just the first few words |
| 19:07.28 | [Thom] | fvwm? |
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| 19:07.56 | [Thom] | wols: That runs over X right? |
| 19:08.03 | wols | start a wm war |
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| 19:08.08 | bono | wols: anything special i should do in addition to 'startkde'? |
| 19:08.11 | fbls | is it safe to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.16.11 ? |
| 19:08.12 | maja | any one mind telling me a apt source where i can get source's from ? |
| 19:08.15 | wols | !star a wm war |
| 19:08.16 | Anthro | I'm involved in a discussion on a mailing list in which one person has said that Debian claims to protect people from upstream issues. Is that accurate? I'm not asking whether Debian actually does protect people from upstream issues, only whether such a claim has been made. |
| 19:08.24 | valdyn | fbls: what is wrong with your old kernel? |
| 19:08.31 | abrotman | maja: source packages or more sources? |
| 19:08.43 | maja | sources |
| 19:08.43 | plasmid | wols, hmm.. okies. apt-get dist-upgrade right? |
| 19:08.48 | maja | to use with build-dep |
| 19:08.51 | wols | bono: you should run startx. maybe install kdm. and unless kde and kdm installs without error, you can't use kde anyways |
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| 19:09.55 | gentgeen__ | ln -s startkde blackbox :-P |
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| 19:10.26 | fbls | valdyn: im using 2.6.8-3, but im thinking about upgrading to 2.6.16.11 |
| 19:10.51 | valdyn | fbls: yes, what is wrong with 2.6.8-3 ? |
| 19:10.55 | wols | fbls: you didn't answer his question |
| 19:11.05 | fbls | isn't latest, the best |
| 19:11.14 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 19:11.19 | plasmid | fbls, apparently not. |
| 19:11.23 | valdyn | fbls: why would the latest be the best? because it supports SGI Alix? |
| 19:11.26 | fbls | and 2.6.8-3 is old, August 2004 |
| 19:11.27 | valdyn | fbls: why would the latest be the best? because it supports SGI Altix? |
| 19:11.33 | wols | since you have to ask if it's "safe", then it certainly can't be the best, can it? |
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| 19:11.36 | bono | wols: i get "errors encountered whlie processing: cvs, libcvsservice0, quanta, kdewebdev, kde" |
| 19:11.36 | abrotman | !tell maja about sources |
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| 19:11.50 | bono | wols: kde should still run fine |
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| 19:12.16 | wols | bono: if you know everything better, why are you asking then? |
| 19:12.19 | fbls | i was gonna upgrade to 2.6.16.11, but is there any nvidia driver for it though? |
| 19:12.29 | wols | ask nvidia, not us |
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| 19:12.50 | fbls | bullshit, there's one for 2.6.8-3 |
| 19:13.01 | valdyn | fbls: you should do what you want, if a high version number is an argument in itself for you, just do it and upgrade |
| 19:13.10 | bono | wols: i dont... thats why im asking |
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| 19:13.18 | bono | wols: how do i have startx start kde? |
| 19:13.25 | wols | if you know it to the point that you can call bullshit, why are you asking again? |
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| 19:14.01 | wols | bono: easiest is with kdm that has a nice drop down box. otherwise you need to use update-alternatives, the windowmanager link |
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| 19:14.16 | bono | wols: thx |
| 19:14.17 | fbls | valdyn: what about the nvidia kernel ? 2.6.8-3 wont run on 2.6.16.11 |
| 19:14.44 | valdyn | fbls: that is right, you might need to get the latest from sid |
| 19:14.46 | wols | bono: you are asking about something and asserting the facts about it at the same time. you are very confused |
| 19:15.13 | bono | wols: im not asserting. i just forgot to put a ? at the end of my post. |
| 19:15.23 | fbls | valdyn: oh ic, but if i get that, itll fuck up my system and it wont be 'stable' anymore |
| 19:15.26 | fbls | you think so |
| 19:15.31 | HolyGoat | ..whow. "bash: killall: command not found" |
| 19:16.03 | wols | fbls: get the driver from nvidia directly |
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| 19:16.27 | valdyn | fbls: that is a misunderstanding on your part, sarge being a stable distro has not the implication that it will make your system stable or that your system will be unstable if you use something != sarge |
| 19:16.41 | Wonko | Hello! How can I easily change boot order of resources? My problem is that the IVTV is initialized before LVM is up and running and therefor IVTV can not find the firmware files. |
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| 19:16.54 | valdyn | fbls: its tested vs untested things, risk is yours |
| 19:17.12 | wols | Wonko: are both modules loaded from /etc/modules ? |
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| 19:17.42 | fbls | valdyn: so there's no point of upgrading to 2.6.16.11? |
| 19:17.55 | lewis | in my access.log, I'm getting about three of these lines, every 5 mins, can someone help explain them to me: www.domain.com 127.0.0.1 - - [30/Apr/2006:07:20:03 +0100] "GET /server-status?auto HTTP/1.1" 200 4296 "-" "libwww-perl/5.803" |
| 19:17.55 | fbls | are yall using the same one, 2.6.8-3? |
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| 19:18.00 | valdyn | fbls: if you dont have a problem with your current kernel, nope |
| 19:18.10 | lewis | I know of no perl scripts that should be doing this |
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| 19:18.22 | lewis | oh |
| 19:18.23 | Wonko | wols: No, there are only an entry for ivtv as I see. |
| 19:18.24 | lewis | nevermind |
| 19:18.38 | uros_ | why tha heck is my pentium-M getting on max power when i create ppp0 connection ? |
| 19:18.45 | fbls | valdyn: but how come debian is so updated, gentoo already have 2.6.16/14+ i think |
| 19:18.50 | Hamachh | hey, is there and way to get all the ports that some program is listing on to forward from my router with help of upnp? |
| 19:19.10 | fbls | outdated* |
| 19:19.21 | valdyn | fbls: debian/stable MEANS that it does not change, that is the whole point to it, to not change and stay the same |
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| 19:19.26 | wols | Wonko: try to put ivtv at the very end of your /etc/modules |
| 19:19.33 | valdyn | fbls: hence it wouldnt be stable if it got new changed features |
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| 19:19.40 | fbls | ic |
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| 19:20.05 | fbls | and i heard there were some security flaws |
| 19:20.08 | valdyn | fbls: that doesnt make it 'stable on your system' but it makes it predictable / tested / controllable |
| 19:20.09 | fbls | 2.6.8-3 |
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| 19:20.32 | wols | Wonko: filesystems are mounted AFTER modules are loaded. could that be it? |
| 19:20.48 | Wonko | wols: OK, I will try that! Thanks! Will see at next reboot if that helped. |
| 19:21.00 | wols | S20module-init-tools vs S35mountall.sh |
| 19:21.01 | blondie | anyone know how to enable the advanced bash tab-completion options? so you can tab-complete program arguments etc |
| 19:21.08 | wols | Wonko: so it might not be enough |
| 19:21.10 | blondie | (or is that a gentoo thing ;)) |
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| 19:21.22 | valdyn | fbls: debian does bring security patched kernels |
| 19:21.28 | wols | blondie: not a gentoo thing. just that debian doesn't do it by default |
| 19:21.28 | valdyn | !security |
| 19:21.29 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 19:21.42 | wols | but there are ways. it's just a few scripts in /etc IIRC |
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| 19:22.24 | Wonko | wols: maybe |
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| 19:22.31 | E0x | hi guys |
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| 19:22.41 | fbls | valdyn: will it (security patch) automatically patched when i do: apt-get update ? |
| 19:22.41 | E0x | which is the pass for he debian bootstrap package |
| 19:22.51 | E0x | im trying to make a hard drive installation |
| 19:22.54 | E0x | ? |
| 19:23.02 | blondie | hm |
| 19:23.11 | E0x | debootstrap is a zip file and have a password |
| 19:24.36 | E0x | nobody ? |
| 19:24.47 | fbls | i meant the kernel |
| 19:24.54 | blondie | E0x: what are you talking about |
| 19:24.57 | E0x | hmm |
| 19:25.14 | wols | E0x: I very much doubt it has a password |
| 19:25.23 | E0x | wols: ok |
| 19:25.24 | E0x | check this out |
| 19:25.26 | blondie | ask the person that gave it to you |
| 19:25.30 | E0x | http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap |
| 19:25.35 | wols | and: apt-get update just updates the package lists. it doesn't patch/pgrade anything |
| 19:25.39 | E0x | i downloaded the package from there |
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| 19:25.45 | E0x | and the zip file have a password |
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| 19:25.48 | E0x | check it please |
| 19:26.09 | wols | E0x: learn to read |
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| 19:26.24 | E0x | wols: :-S |
| 19:26.26 | wols | the phrase is even in damn bold |
| 19:26.28 | chaedaeX | what is an 802.1d packet? |
| 19:26.38 | blondie | hahahaha |
| 19:26.44 | E0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.46 | E0x | :-S |
| 19:26.50 | E0x | wols: that's what is say |
| 19:26.54 | unstable | What is a good cli version of linphone, so I can connect to someone via sip:username@ip |
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| 19:27.23 | vinzbn | hello ! I've got a question : if I upgrade my kernel from 2.6.8-2 to 2.6.16 will that resolve my ip_connect_pptp problem ? (newb inside) |
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| 19:27.53 | unstable | vinzbn: Try it and find out, it can't hurt. |
| 19:27.59 | unstable | Or it can hurt, but it's unlikely. |
| 19:29.20 | vinzbn | unstable > just a little problem : I don't know how to do it. I've got the choice to reinstall from scratch with the last debian release (3.1) or try to upgrade (and I don't know how to do it ... and google doesn't want to be my friend ) |
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| 19:30.20 | bono | Question: I finally got kde running (thx wols). The fonts are horrible. How can i change that? any1? |
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| 19:31.22 | _ericb | hi all |
| 19:31.24 | jugglinx | bono, im now in kde at the moment, but in the control center u should have the option |
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| 19:31.57 | _ericb | First I would like to congrat the guys who made sarge's installer if they are here.. they made a really great job, compared to woody sarge is really easy to install |
| 19:32.25 | bkudria | can someone help me with http://cl1p.net/kudria ? x crashes at startup and i have no idea why... |
| 19:32.44 | thingfish | _ericb: there's a gui one in the works. |
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| 19:33.05 | _ericb | Second.. is there a way I can check how many cpu the kernel see ? Just to know if they are both detected and use |
| 19:33.12 | thingfish | _ericb: a gui debian-installer, that is. |
| 19:33.21 | wols | ericP: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:33.27 | vinzbn | unstable > is it really so easy as "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
| 19:33.30 | thingfish | _ericb: they won't be unless you're using an smp kernel. |
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| 19:33.39 | _ericb | I use a smp kernel |
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| 19:34.03 | wols | bkudria: kernel 2.6.12? what debian version is this? |
| 19:34.19 | E0x | wols: can you help me, please ? i know is harmful but i want to install a system |
| 19:34.20 | bkudria | wols...2.6.16, actually |
| 19:34.46 | blondie | wols: seems the /etc/bash_completion supplied with debian will do it, but isnt enabled by default |
| 19:35.03 | _ericb | thx thingfish |
| 19:35.25 | wols | E0x: the damn password is spelled out right there |
| 19:35.37 | bkudria | wols: it was built on 2.6.12 |
| 19:35.37 | wols | bkudria: those logs say 2.6.12 |
| 19:35.47 | bkudria | wols: i'm running 2.6.16 |
| 19:35.50 | wols | so you run sid? |
| 19:35.53 | blondie | E0x: that page says what the password is |
| 19:36.02 | bkudria | wols: right. |
| 19:36.19 | bkudria | wols: all latest x packages as of this morning |
| 19:36.53 | wols | afaik X in sid has some problem and is broken |
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| 19:37.09 | bkudria | wols: it was working yesterday :) |
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| 19:37.34 | liran_ | valdyn, alright thanks. |
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| 19:37.54 | liran_ | valdyn, but as a general question, there's 512mb of swap, is it normal not to take advantage of it entirely? |
| 19:38.45 | bkudria | wols: there are no bugs that i could find... |
| 19:39.20 | wols | liran_: yes it's normal |
| 19:39.26 | wols | as long as you don't need it it won't swap |
| 19:39.37 | Matej | hi, i've been victim of a bug on xserver-xorg package, in the bugreport it is patched, bud I don't know how to patch a .deb, could someone explain it to me please? if possible in /msg |
| 19:40.03 | bkudria | Matej: what problem are you seeing exactly? |
| 19:40.07 | liran_ | wols, i dont know. it sounds weird. i havent seen any system yet that doesnt use the swap parition even if it has 100 ram free |
| 19:40.19 | antoine-c | Matej it interst me also, please explain here |
| 19:40.30 | jonathan` | i hit ctrl+S or something when i was in vi, and 2 messages popped up about keyboard: Timeout but i cant do anything after they popped out, anyway to fix this or do i have to force a reboot? |
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| 19:40.33 | bono | jugglinx: the control center allows me to change the font, but its the fonts resolution thats the problem i believe... i guess that would be fixed in the X config file... |
| 19:40.41 | wols | liran_: then you can't looked much at linux |
| 19:40.42 | Matej | bkudria: I can't install xserver-xorg, i get an error as mentionned here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365282 |
| 19:40.49 | wols | linux is not windows xp |
| 19:40.50 | blondie | ah, just uncomment three lines in /etc/bash.bashrc to get nice completion :) |
| 19:41.08 | liran_ | wols, ive been around linux for years. i know its not. im just saying its odd |
| 19:41.14 | wols | jonathan`: go into another virtual console and kill vi |
| 19:41.51 | wols | liran_: but what kinda embedded system with busybox uses swap anyways? |
| 19:42.01 | Matej | bkudria: and there it's said repaired with a patch |
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| 19:42.30 | Matej | but i don't know how to patch an already built package... |
| 19:42.50 | wols | Matej: donwload the sources for it and compile it yourself |
| 19:43.03 | tux | öööööööööööäüüüüüüüüüüüäqqqqqßßßßßßßßßßßßäöääöü |
| 19:43.04 | antoine-c | May be with apt-get source and dpkg-build... |
| 19:43.09 | thei0s | yes, and recreate the package and install it |
| 19:43.11 | Matej | hmm |
| 19:43.12 | bkudria | Matej: oh...i'm seeing something else...but you add a deb-src line in your sources file... |
| 19:43.24 | Matej | ok |
| 19:43.32 | tux | leaving |
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| 19:44.10 | Matej | and dpkg-build builds a new .deb, including the new patch if I patch the sources? |
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| 19:46.21 | lewis | how come a dual-core CPU doesn't appear to etch as two CPUs? |
| 19:46.37 | epictetus | debian sucks -- it's just that all the other OSes out there suck even harder |
| 19:46.49 | Suki` | o.O |
| 19:46.49 | blondie | sucking hard isn't a bad thing. |
| 19:46.59 | wols | lewis: use a SMP kernel |
| 19:47.00 | Suki` | not if its coming from a girl.. hehe. |
| 19:47.08 | blondie | girl? pffft |
| 19:47.46 | lewis | if I used a SMP kernel, would it appear as two CPUs? |
| 19:47.51 | blondie | yes |
| 19:47.55 | Suki` | it should |
| 19:47.55 | bkudria | wols: i guess i'll file a bug... |
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| 19:48.08 | lewis | not sure whether the hardware hides the fact that it is two cores, that's all |
| 19:48.19 | meshe | i think you need an smp kernel for it show show as 2 cpu's |
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| 19:49.07 | thei0s | maybe you have a setting maxcpus=1 somewhere in kernel or sth |
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| 19:49.37 | wols | thei0s: no |
| 19:50.11 | eguzkia | sorry but i cannot enter in python room? |
| 19:50.21 | eguzkia | sorry but why i cannot enter in python room? |
| 19:50.34 | Ranpha | Hi, i'm trying to get Wine 9.11 but it's unstable. It want to get it with synatpic manager but then he selects all pacakges and updates the whole system ...can i shut this off? |
| 19:50.36 | _rene_ | why the hell do we know? |
| 19:50.46 | _rene_ | except the fact that irc hasn't "room"s |
| 19:50.53 | wols | eguzkia: is you ip banned? |
| 19:51.06 | eguzkia | i don't know? |
| 19:51.08 | lewis | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp - sounds good to me. |
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| 19:51.16 | wols | Ranpha: no you can't. only chance is backports.org |
| 19:51.23 | wols | eguzkia: your irc client would tell you |
| 19:51.26 | eguzkia | wols: can you help to understand? |
| 19:51.39 | wols | I already told you |
| 19:52.02 | eguzkia | wols: how? |
| 19:52.53 | wols | 21:51 < wols> eguzkia: your irc client would tell you |
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| 19:54.05 | jplibre | in logrotate.conf, you can specify a path for olddir - what is this path relative to? the logfile being rotated? |
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| 19:55.51 | Matej | antoine-c: it worked, i've built the package and it installed ok |
| 19:56.18 | Matej | antoine-c: you do: apt-get source xserver-xorg |
| 19:56.33 | Matej | then cd to the xorg-7.0.15 directory created |
| 19:56.52 | antoine-c | yes |
| 19:57.03 | jplibre | I'm kind of getting the impression that the 'olddir' directive in logrotate is broken |
| 19:57.13 | Matej | then you have to download the patch: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/xserver-xorg-1%253A7.0.15-preinst-fix-swb.patch?bug=365282;msg=10;att=1 |
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| 19:57.23 | Matej | or from the bug report page |
| 19:57.31 | Matej | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365282 |
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| 19:58.08 | Matej | then you patch the source: patch -p1 debian/xserver-xorg.config.in < xserver-xorg....patch |
| 19:58.17 | antoine-c | Matej, yes, then we apply the patch, and just make dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 19:58.25 | Matej | and then in the xorg directory and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 19:58.42 | antoine-c | really easy |
| 19:58.43 | Matej | and it creates all the packages |
| 19:58.48 | Matej | yep |
| 19:58.48 | Matej | :) |
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| 19:58.59 | Matej | and now i have X back again |
| 19:59.00 | Matej | thx| |
| 19:59.03 | Matej | :) |
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| 19:59.13 | vinzbn | question : is the 3.1-r2 release version of sarge with a 2.6.14+ kernel ? (I should be dumb, I don't find it on the debian website... sorry :p ) |
| 19:59.46 | Matej | i moved the created packages in the repository of apt-build and recreated the repository lists, so maybe i have an update for more packages |
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| 20:00.23 | Matej | (and i have also a new homepage: the status page :) |
| 20:00.30 | Phlexonance | with which tool can I convert .m4a and .flac into .mp3 |
| 20:02.00 | pinky_ | I just burned a DVD ISO file to a blank DVD+R. What tool can I use to ensure it was a good burn (either checking the sectors on the newly burned disc or by comparing it to the original image file on my hard drive)? |
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| 20:02.41 | stew | vinzbn: no it comes with 2.6.8 |
| 20:02.49 | Phlexonance | pinky_, what did u use for burning? k3b has the check build in |
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| 20:03.03 | xixor | yo |
| 20:03.14 | vinzbn | stew> ok thanks. |
| 20:03.19 | xixor | just curious if there is a way to write an alias so that ls is executed everytime I change a directory? |
| 20:03.30 | pinky_ | Phlexonance: Ah, I used K3b... is there an option to check a disc against an ISO in one of the menus? |
| 20:03.36 | stew | Phlexonance: for flac, you can flac -d -c flacfile | lame [lameoptions] ; for m4a it will depend on what codec it uses |
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| 20:03.57 | AzianFlu | xixor, yep. and you can put it in .bashrc too |
| 20:03.57 | kreg_dcdi | why does debian use a weird non firefox logo for firefox? |
| 20:04.05 | stew | pinky_: afaik, you can do: md5sum /dev/dvd ; and compare that to md5sum /path/to/iso |
| 20:04.11 | kreg_dcdi | it's like just a blue sphere |
| 20:04.23 | Phlexonance | stew, how can I find out which codec it uses |
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| 20:04.27 | AzianFlu | xixor, or do you need help with the command? |
| 20:04.28 | pinky_ | stew: Oh, cool, didn't know you could md5sum a DVD. |
| 20:04.30 | vin` | kreg_dcdi: there were some license issues, iirc. |
| 20:04.32 | antoine-c | <kreg_dcdi>, I think that for licence |
| 20:04.45 | lao | sorry how can i identify myself to enter in python room? |
| 20:04.46 | kreg_dcdi | ahh |
| 20:04.55 | wols | kreg_dcdi: cause that logo is trademarked. no one except moz foundation is allowed to use it |
| 20:05.00 | kspath | lao: room? |
| 20:05.15 | kspath | lao: This is #debian channel. |
| 20:05.16 | pinky_ | stew: What if I burned a normal data DVD disc with multiple files? How could I check if that was a bad burn or not? I used Nero CD/DVD Info Tool in Windows, and am wondering if there is something that is the equivilant... |
| 20:05.23 | wols | lao: it's "channel". and you need to /msg nickserv help |
| 20:05.23 | AzianFlu | lao, /msg chanserv help identify |
| 20:05.30 | thei0s | lao: first of all, this is IRC, irc does not have rooms, on irc there are channels, and read the message you get from the server while you try to join |
| 20:05.31 | AzianFlu | nickserv.. i mean |
| 20:06.10 | kspath | lao: /msg nickserv help register might be of use as well. |
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| 20:07.11 | thei0s | pinky_: as you've said before.. do a md5sums on every file and compare it with the md5sums on your hd |
| 20:07.14 | jplibre | having issues with logrotate and the 'olddir' directive - does anyone have this working? |
| 20:07.20 | jplibre | seems to not work at all for me anywhere |
| 20:07.22 | vinzbn | stew > and the only way to have a 2.6.16+ kernel is to upgrade with a Sid ? |
| 20:07.35 | stew | Phlexonance: file might tell you |
| 20:07.43 | stew | pinky_: i don't know |
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| 20:07.58 | stew | vinzbn: no you can compile your own or see if backports.org has one |
| 20:08.26 | pinky_ | thei0s: Ah, well, that doesn't really work if I burn a *lot* of files onto a DVD... it would take some time! There isn't a tool to verify a disc is good or not after the burn? |
| 20:08.37 | SlayerXP | I blogged for the forst time ever today |
| 20:08.39 | SlayerXP | first |
| 20:08.55 | thei0s | why not? md5sums has some sort of recursive param or sth, and then you just do diff |
| 20:08.57 | wols | SlayerXP: my condolences |
| 20:08.59 | thei0s | (somehow...) |
| 20:09.00 | SlayerXP | do I qualify for a free AOL cd now? |
| 20:09.04 | wols | with luck you might survive it |
| 20:09.15 | Phlexonance | stew, I dont fully understand, could you please be more specific on how to accomplish this |
| 20:10.00 | stew | Phlexonance: do you have a player that can play the m4as? |
| 20:10.15 | Phlexonance | stew, yes, I use amarok |
| 20:10.32 | xixor | AzianFlu, : Just not sure how to form the alias: like alias cd='cd $1; ls' ? And just curious how that will affect any shell scripts that use the cd command |
| 20:10.38 | stew | Phlexonance: what about a command line player that could ouput the raw wav data? |
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| 20:11.13 | Phlexonance | stew, name it, Ill apt-get it |
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| 20:12.16 | thei0s | pinky_: ups, md5sum does not have recursive support, md5deep for example has.. but anyway if you combine the md5sum with find command you get what you want |
| 20:12.57 | thei0s | does anyone have an idea how to boot the Debian Install CD from another kernel without too much work? (my current idea was to use 2 CD devices and boot the Debian Installation CD with the help of Knoppix kernel, but it seems I didn't figure out the right kernel arguments to do that).. I would appreciate any hints... |
| 20:13.25 | pinky_ | thie0s: Thanks, I'll check out md5deep, it might do what I need... I still think there's probably a program that checks the sectors on the disc like Nero CD/DVD Info Tool though |
| 20:13.45 | wols | thei0s: why do you need another kernel? |
| 20:13.45 | wols | !sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 20:13.46 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 20:14.03 | is_null | hello evrybody, trying to run successfully the alsa configure script, i get the error "The file /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source/include/linux/version.h does not exist", this is true, then i apted linux-source-2.6.8 and source is not a directory, then i downloaded linux-2.6.8 from kernel.org, extracted it, and version.h is not in it, any ideas ? |
| 20:14.07 | thei0s | wols: because nightly built of etch doesnt even have everything compiled in that I need |
| 20:14.30 | AzianFlu | xixor, i would probably do alias cd="cd && ls" i don't generally use $1, and i've never tried quite what you are doing. maybe try mine and see if it has issues without the argument, but i don't think it will |
| 20:14.32 | stew | Phlexonance: you could try installing mplayer and w32codecs and see if you can play your m4a with that. if so you can use mpayer to play it out to a .wav file and use lame to encode the .wav file |
| 20:14.32 | wols | is_null: get kernel-headers for the kernel you're running |
| 20:14.41 | Matej | thanx again, bye |
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| 20:14.48 | wols | is_null: version.h is only made when you compile the kernel |
| 20:15.08 | is_null | ok, can i escape compiling the kernel using kernel-headers ? |
| 20:15.13 | wols | yes |
| 20:15.15 | AzianFlu | once that alias is in place, anything that uses cd will probably use the cd && ls, but again i'm unsure. |
| 20:15.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | help! ;), im trying to do an debootstrap, but when i do apt-get install grub, i don't get stage1 and such in /boot/grub :S i don't get an /boot/grub at all :S, why is that and how to get it? |
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| 20:15.19 | is_null | wols, thank you :) |
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| 20:15.37 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: man grub-install |
| 20:15.48 | pinky_ | thie0s: If the nightly build doesn't have everything compiled you need, then how about the weekly CD/DVD builds? Or perhaps even the etch beta2 build? |
| 20:16.02 | AzianFlu | my aliases are generally more like alias lc="ls --color" |
| 20:16.04 | gog | AzianFlu, then you won't get out of your home directory |
| 20:16.15 | Phlexonance | ok, thanks-a-lot stew |
| 20:16.22 | wols | thei0s: is there anything special you need? |
| 20:16.24 | AzianFlu | really? let me fire up cygwin and play a minute |
| 20:16.37 | is_null | wols, i can't apt them because i use unstable, i wish i could escape kernel compiling for the moment, is it possible ? |
| 20:16.43 | thei0s | pinky_: I just need some specific raid support and currently dont have the will to create a custum debian install cd |
| 20:17.11 | wols | is_null: it is possible. if you use a kernel made by debian, there is always a kernel-headers available. always |
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| 20:17.44 | pinky_ | thei0s: Ah, well the issue is that you have a CD/DVD of sarge and don;t want to redownload the whole thing to get etch? |
| 20:17.53 | gog | xixor, if you really want this, then use a function |
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| 20:18.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, may i post the 3 lines the error gives me? |
| 20:18.27 | pinky_ | thei0s: Downloading the etch beta2 CD/DVD wouldn't be custom. beta2 is a static release, and it has 2.6.15 |
| 20:18.28 | thei0s | hm, ups, actually the msg was meant for wols :) |
| 20:18.28 | is_null | wols, where are they located ? |
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| 20:18.39 | gog | xixor, like cd() { builtin cd "$@"; ls; } |
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| 20:18.57 | wols | is_null: debian repositories. same place you got the kernel from |
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| 20:18.57 | thei0s | pinky_: no, I can not install debian on a box, because it doesnt have enerything I need in the default debian install cd/dvd of any version |
| 20:19.16 | is_null | wols, thank you :) |
| 20:19.26 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: #flood is better |
| 20:19.36 | pinky_ | thei0s: Ah, I see. How then do you suppose getting sarge with 2.6.15 will help you? |
| 20:19.45 | thei0s | to sum up: I need a custom kernel for the Debian Install CD |
| 20:19.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols chec that channel |
| 20:20.00 | stew | thei0s: what is missing from a debian kernel? |
| 20:20.01 | pinky_ | Oh, okay |
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| 20:20.15 | thei0s | some specific ataraid support |
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| 20:20.28 | stew | thei0s: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 20:20.37 | binary010 | Hi all |
| 20:20.53 | binary010 | anyone here kows net-snmp that can help me |
| 20:20.59 | binary010 | i setup an install |
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| 20:21.09 | is_null | alsa is already built in my kernel, is it possible to rebuild them ? i get the error from configure script that they are already built-in the kernel |
| 20:21.12 | AzianFlu | xixor, while gog is right, nothing i've tried works, i also tried his command "verbatim" but it crashed cygwin |
| 20:21.37 | binary010 | i can query one system out of the network and everything else is comming out as timedout including the snmpd system itself |
| 20:21.39 | AzianFlu | gog, i'm interested to know if i needed to replace any of those commands in the function you showed |
| 20:21.41 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 20:21.42 | is_null | *i wish to rebuild them because it does not seem to load the correct sound card driver module |
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| 20:21.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, yes it is |
| 20:22.16 | dak | guys is udev safe in sid ? |
| 20:22.17 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: the the grub files should be in /boot/boot/grub not /boot/grub ; read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 20:22.18 | dak | #341038 - udev will not boot: /dev/null not created, dev/console not found, kernel panic |
| 20:22.18 | dak | critical bugs of udev (0.087-2 -> 0.091-1) <open> |
| 20:22.26 | ffst | re, I have some errors on ext3 fs in blocks, groups and block bitmaps. someone know how translate this to inodes and/or filenames? |
| 20:22.30 | lutra | hey...i'm trying to remove a broken package but i can't figure out how to...here's my error http://pastebin.ca/52678 |
| 20:22.38 | gog | AzianFlu, is this a bash in cygwin? |
| 20:22.57 | AzianFlu | i believe so |
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| 20:23.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | there is no /boot/boot/grub |
| 20:23.10 | AzianFlu | yep. just verified |
| 20:23.14 | stew | lutra: compiz!?! what distro are you running? |
| 20:23.22 | stew | lutra: whatever it is, its not debian |
| 20:23.27 | AzianFlu | i don't know what xixor is using though |
| 20:23.32 | lutra | i was trying to use it on etch |
| 20:23.40 | chealer | dak: Done: md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri). |
| 20:23.47 | lutra | which is probably how i borked my apt :( |
| 20:23.47 | dak | what |
| 20:23.50 | stew | lutra: we certainly are not going to support compiz on etch |
| 20:23.52 | gog | AzianFlu, no idea |
| 20:24.02 | antoine-c | lutra, what give ?dpkg -P compiz-aiglx-gnome |
| 20:24.02 | AzianFlu | whoops 8) |
| 20:24.10 | dak | chealer: what? that was from apt-list-bugs or whatever the package is |
| 20:24.17 | dak | so not like i found that my self man |
| 20:24.29 | lutra | antoine-c: i get the same error |
| 20:24.29 | dak | but |
| 20:24.40 | binary010 | anyone here about the net-snmp |
| 20:24.41 | binary010 | ?? |
| 20:24.46 | binary010 | that can help |
| 20:24.49 | dak | is having udev installed now going to make my box not boot? |
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| 20:24.55 | AzianFlu | wb gog |
| 20:24.58 | dak | stew |
| 20:25.04 | stew | dak: |
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| 20:25.09 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:25.10 | dak | udev bug inside |
| 20:25.11 | chealer | dak: would it be possible that apt-listbugs had bugs? !! |
| 20:25.13 | antoine-c | lutra, dpkg --force-help ? |
| 20:25.15 | dak | just pasted it |
| 20:25.32 | stew | lutra: you are going to have to try to debug the .postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info for that package. adding "set -x" to the top of it might help see what's going on |
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| 20:25.43 | thei0s | stew: I know the long way of builing everything custom, but could it somehow be done faster - knoppix kernel has what I need (and is also somewhere around 2.6), so is there a way to use this kernel for booting the debian install cd? or using a kernel on a floppy or another hd to boot the debian install cd? |
| 20:25.48 | AzianFlu | gog, don't tell me the function did that?! |
| 20:26.02 | stew | thei0s: /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 20:26.17 | dak | chealer: i just did apt-get upgrade, and then that showed for known bugs, how the hell would apt-listbugs problem make it shw that? |
| 20:26.18 | dak | ii udev 0.091-1 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 20:26.25 | dak | thats for the right package |
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| 20:26.30 | gog | AzianFlu, did what? |
| 20:26.33 | Blissex | thei0s: you can use Knoppix as a Debian installer... |
| 20:26.40 | dak | #341038 - udev will not boot: /dev/null not created, dev/console not found, kernel panic critical bugs of udev (0.087-2 -> 0.091-1) <open> |
| 20:26.42 | AzianFlu | you lost connection. thought maybe you crashed |
| 20:27.06 | ffst | re, I have some errors on ext3 fs in blocks, groups and block bitmaps. someone know how translate them into inodes and/or filenames? I need to know which files are broken! Thx |
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| 20:27.35 | gog | hehe, not the function |
| 20:27.36 | dak | might want to put it in the topic if udev is going to make peoples systems not boot, and thats what im trying to ask... will this make your system not boot if you update/install udev in sid? |
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| 20:27.53 | ezsquirt | does anyone here use rivafb framebuffer ? |
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| 20:28.29 | ffst | found it debugfs does... cya |
| 20:28.31 | dak | ... |
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| 20:29.16 | seb-- | what is in the 'contrib' directory? |
| 20:29.29 | seb-- | (there is main, contrib and nonfree) |
| 20:29.31 | PlasmaHH | howdy, anyone know about known bugs of libmudflap in testing/unstable ? |
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| 20:30.11 | dak | uhm |
| 20:30.12 | vinzbn | stew > just another tiny question for you : if I want to upgrande my kernel, I've read that I've to do a "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16" but I don't know wich source I've to put in my sources.list ?(because apt can't find the kernel 2.6.16) |
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| 20:30.38 | jetscreamer | vinzbn: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 20:30.38 | stew | vinzbn: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:30.39 | ribnitz | vinzbn: unstable. |
| 20:30.41 | dak | so guys |
| 20:30.47 | dak | again |
| 20:30.58 | dak | is udev going to make your system not boot in side ? |
| 20:30.59 | dak | sid |
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| 20:31.14 | stew | dak: is there a bug # you are referring to? |
| 20:31.17 | dak | yes |
| 20:31.19 | ribnitz | dak: my system uses udev and boots fine. |
| 20:31.27 | jetscreamer | dak: it's been known to happen with a certain combination of factors |
| 20:31.28 | chealer | dak: if you don't know how to use the BTS or apt-listbugs, you shouldn't be using sid |
| 20:31.36 | unstable | dak: You need to have at least linux kernel 2.6.12 for udev to work |
| 20:31.46 | dak | #341038 - udev will not boot: /dev/null not created, dev/console not found, kernel panic critical bugs of udev (0.087-2 -> 0.091-1) <open> |
| 20:31.46 | stew | dak: which bug? the one you posted before was a closed bug that wasnt' a bug in udev |
| 20:31.48 | dak | thats the bug |
| 20:31.55 | dak | it says open... |
| 20:32.07 | chealer | !dbugs 341038 |
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| 20:32.09 | unstable | dak: yes, I agree with chealer you shouldn't be using sid. You are wasting everyone's generously donated time. |
| 20:32.12 | dpkg | DONE:#341038:G[udev] udev will not boot: /dev/null not created, dev/console not found, kernel panic; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:18:57 UTC |
| 20:32.12 | jetscreamer | dak: how many ide/sata controllers do you have |
| 20:32.13 | unstable | !tell dak about unstable |
| 20:32.24 | dak | unstable: iv been using sid for about 6 years |
| 20:32.30 | dak | i know what to expect |
| 20:32.34 | chealer | dak: <quote>DONE:#341038</quote> |
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| 20:32.37 | unstable | dak: Then you should know what the bts is, heh. |
| 20:32.53 | dak | yeah well i figured that a bug like that would be in the topic |
| 20:33.11 | vinzbn | my irc client is freezed ... argh |
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| 20:33.15 | seb-- | what is in the debian 'contrib' directory? |
| 20:33.15 | chealer | dak: it wouldn't anyway. /topic isn't targetted at unstable users |
| 20:33.25 | seb-- | (there is main, contrib and nonfree |
| 20:33.25 | chealer | (except in exceptional occasions like X11R7) |
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| 20:33.47 | chealer | even in this case it's probably a bad idea as people will get used to it |
| 20:33.52 | ribnitz | chealer: Which hasnt been fixed so far, has it? |
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| 20:34.03 | chealer | ribnitz: X11R7? |
| 20:34.09 | ribnitz | chealer: yep |
| 20:34.10 | vinzbn | stew > I'm sorry stew if you answered me. My irc client crashed (again...) |
| 20:34.19 | stew | vinzbn: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:34.53 | chealer | ribnitz: hum, there's no big bug in X11R7, just many bugs from a big transition. probably still a few RC bugs about it |
| 20:35.01 | vinzbn | stew > actually sarge 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 20:35.37 | jonathan` | is there a way to find the location of a package that was installed via alien? |
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| 20:35.44 | dak | why does everyone always gotta keep going on something to the poin where you are just ridiculing some one... like you chealer i pasted it 3 times, you said "[16:24] <chealer> dak: would it be possible that apt-listbugs had bugs? !!" ok? and you are going to bust my nuts about my question? |
| 20:36.03 | seb-- | will EVERYTHING in contrib get into main eventually? |
| 20:36.07 | dak | ego city |
| 20:36.13 | chealer | dak: I told you before that the bug was done |
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| 20:36.30 | dak | show me |
| 20:36.33 | wols_ | jonathan`: alien doesn't install anything. it only converts stuff |
| 20:36.34 | stew | vinzbn: the newest kernel for sarge is 2.6.8-3, if you want newer than that you need to use backports.org: /msg dpkg backports ; or compile your own |
| 20:36.43 | chealer | dak: Done: md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri). |
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| 20:36.50 | stew | vinzbn: a kernel newer than 2.6.8 will never be realesed for sarge officially |
| 20:36.55 | antoine-c | seb > http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 20:36.57 | dak | didnt see it |
| 20:37.09 | chealer | dak: well, use a decent IRC client |
| 20:37.19 | dak | i do |
| 20:37.21 | johnsu01 | Is there anything that can be done when my 2.6.8 stable system hangs on modprobe (or rmmod) for ehci_hcd, short of rebooting? |
| 20:37.33 | dak | ircII EPIC5-0.0.8 :: Intrepid-0.4.0 by BlackJac |
| 20:37.37 | chealer | dak: great...prove it then |
| 20:37.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, can you tell me an live cd that does meet the recuirements to do an debootstrap? so i can try again and succeed? |
| 20:37.55 | jetscreamer | #kanotix |
| 20:38.00 | vinzbn | stew > yerk ... the problem is that : I've to use ip_connect_pptp for my debian gateway, but ip_connblabla comes only with 2.6.14+ kernel. What can I do ? |
| 20:38.03 | wols_ | how do you know it's ehci_hcd and not whatever is loaded after that usb module? |
| 20:38.03 | jetscreamer | DJ-Marcuzz: ^^ |
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| 20:38.14 | johnsu01 | wols_: just going by the ps -Af output here. |
| 20:38.24 | stew | vinzbn: install 2.6.15 from backports.org |
| 20:38.27 | jetscreamer | wols go byebye |
| 20:38.34 | vinzbn | stew > ok :D |
| 20:38.34 | johnsu01 | wols_: it happens when I try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 20:38.46 | wols_ | jetscreamer: ? |
| 20:38.59 | jetscreamer | oh nm [15.38.19] <-- wols has quit (Success) |
| 20:39.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | jetscreamer, that will succeed? and is there an decent tutorial? becaus i now rip parts of an gentoo manual (about the /proc and /dev mounting and some other manual (the debootstrap and some setting) together and stry :P |
| 20:39.31 | wols_ | yes my connection today is total shit: ~10% dropped packets |
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| 20:39.42 | lutra | stew: thanks i think that helped |
| 20:40.14 | ribnitz | is there a program that can remove scratches from images? |
| 20:40.17 | dak | we so gotta close the boarders to stop people with attitudes like chealer's from coming in |
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| 20:40.26 | jetscreamer | DJ-Marcuzz: it's the best based-on-debian livecd i know of. ymmv. will probably be good for what you ask. |
| 20:40.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | ymmv? whats that? |
| 20:41.04 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: why does it need to be a livecd? what's wrong with a debian netinst CD? |
| 20:41.05 | stew | !ymmv |
| 20:41.06 | jetscreamer | !ymmv |
| 20:41.06 | dpkg | well, ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 20:41.13 | vinzbn | stew > hum ... and ... would you help me a little bit ? (the FAQ of backports is down ...) (and i'm far far far away to be cool with a kernel upgrade) |
| 20:41.45 | stew | vinzbn: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 20:42.27 | chealer | dak: heh. what about stopping to support unstable users here? |
| 20:42.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols_, becaus i sometimes need to install on strange hardware what the install cant handle, and i like the controll i have over the install (making own fstab, better partitioning all that stuff) |
| 20:42.51 | chealer | dak: oh, we already shouldn't support unstable here |
| 20:42.59 | vinzbn | stew > thanks ! I was on this page but I was so blind to anderstand it was the instructions ... lalala ... hum sorry :D |
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| 20:43.56 | stew | vinzbn: once you have it set up linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 is the package you are after |
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| 20:44.31 | epictetus | how many people here think debian kernels are useable |
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| 20:44.47 | kspath | I am really thinking unstable should have it's own channel and perhaps testing as well. |
| 20:44.47 | chealer | epictetus: about 42 |
| 20:44.57 | stew | epictetus: lots of people use them, soliciting 800 opinions about them is not really a good idea |
| 20:45.06 | vinzbn | stew > ok so I apt-get the image, and I pray ? |
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| 20:45.12 | epictetus | haha. |
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| 20:45.16 | epictetus | come on. |
| 20:45.18 | epictetus | tell me. |
| 20:45.18 | chealer | kspath: there's no point in having a testing support channel |
| 20:45.31 | epictetus | I want to hear what the consensus is. |
| 20:45.36 | chealer | epictetus: nobody has a clue |
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| 20:45.51 | stew | vinzbn: double check the grub stuff in /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel ; but in general it shouldnt' be a problem |
| 20:46.04 | chealer | epictetus: the consensus is that you're too curious |
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| 20:46.11 | stew | epictetus: the general recomendation around here is that you are better off using a debian kernel than compiling your own in most circumstances |
| 20:46.23 | epictetus | Personally, I tend to use a lot of bleeding edge hardware, drivers released just this week, etc -- so I use kernel.org |
| 20:46.57 | epictetus | i see nothing wrong with the debian one if it supports your hardware though. |
| 20:47.00 | kspath | chealer: I would just love to send people bitching about some element of testing to their own channel but I guess I can only listen to my own whining most of the time. |
| 20:47.11 | stew | vinzbn: there is also grub-reboot ; which might let you leave your current kernel as default ant try to reboot to the new kernel once. if there is a problem and it reboots itself you would end up back on the old kernel, but this doens't always work |
| 20:48.18 | vinzbn | stew > ok thanks. I'm gonna trying all that ;) I'll give you my progress status. |
| 20:48.34 | chealer | kspath: you should just ignore bitching. the proportion of release-independent issues it too large to make a per-release split optimal |
| 20:48.58 | chealer | kspath: or, issues specific to a release which can be answered by anybody anyway |
| 20:49.26 | kspath | chealer: I can see that. You could also wonder if testing and/or unstable can be called a release. |
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| 20:49.53 | stew | kspath: they are called that by http://debian.org/releases |
| 20:50.02 | chealer | kspath: it's my todo list's first/second item to discuss the "release" term with debian-devel |
| 20:50.38 | kspath | stew: I understand. That is what I find odd. Stable has "releases" but I can not see that with testing and/or unstable. |
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| 20:51.34 | epictetus | This channel has more metabitching (people bitching about how people are bitching) than it does just plain bitching. |
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| 20:51.48 | kspath | epictetus: Hang around more. |
| 20:51.53 | epictetus | haha. |
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| 20:52.23 | jplibre | Yeah, and have your suspicion confirmed :P |
| 20:52.31 | kspath | epictetus: I am serious. You will see a lot of interesting things of all types. Especially, "sunday". |
| 20:52.45 | srtp | anyone knows how can I verify a raw signatura s.out from a t.txt file with openssl? |
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| 20:53.12 | srtp | anyone knows how can I verify a raw signatura s.out from a t.txt file with openssl? |
| 20:53.15 | srtp | ops |
| 20:53.16 | srtp | sorry |
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| 20:54.32 | jplibre | actually it has the most bitching about people asking questions, more than actual questions being asked ;) |
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| 20:55.06 | kspath | jplibre: There are even people bitching about bitching about bitching. |
| 20:55.27 | vinzbn | stew > argh ! the download is really to long ! My corp. close at 5pm. Is there any way to cancel the download of the package ? |
| 20:55.37 | jplibre | "How dare you ask questions about debian packages in debian testing here, go to #debian-packages-testing-questions #*$&#()*%&" |
| 20:56.16 | vinzbn | jplibre > is it for me ?? |
| 20:56.17 | jetscreamer | that might not be because there are so many debian-based distros with ppl coming into #debian for help w/non-debian distros eh |
| 20:56.20 | jplibre | "Oh, I mean #debian-packages-in-testing-starting-with-the-letter-Q-submitted-on-Tuesdays" |
| 20:56.46 | stew | vinzbn: asuming you are using apt-get, just hit ctrl-c; if later you try it again, it will resume where you left off |
| 20:57.17 | jplibre | vinzbn: no, what was your question? :) |
| 20:57.26 | vinzbn | stew > ok ! pfiou (yes I'm using apt-get) thanks again and again :D |
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| 20:57.35 | jetscreamer | !bitch |
| 20:57.35 | dpkg | you fool you're scaring away women. go read HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux at http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html |
| 20:57.58 | jetscreamer | !bitching |
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| 20:58.04 | vinzbn | jplibre > it's just that I was speaking about package and your answer was .... special :D |
| 20:58.44 | kspath | jetscreamer: average man does tend to have a different way (perhaps rough) manner in speech as compared to average woman. |
| 20:58.57 | jplibre | vinzbn: hahaha, I was being facetious, I answer all kinds of questions in here but a lot of people get uppity if it's not 100% on-topic |
| 20:59.59 | jplibre | I fall into the "don't give a crap, it's just IRC" category |
| 21:00.13 | kspath | jplibre: There is a point at which helping people doing the "wrong" thing or asking in #debian without going to the right channel or resource is a problem. |
| 21:00.35 | jplibre | kspath: I've been in this channel on and off for 10 years and I really don't care |
| 21:00.52 | kspath | jplibre: Why not make #debian the linux channel. Why have any guidelines. |
| 21:01.07 | jplibre | I find it hard to believe that anything to do with IRC comes close to being a 'problem' ... but that's just me |
| 21:01.11 | vinzbn | stew > jpilibre > I have to go away. Good bye and thanks again ! :) |
| 21:01.22 | kspath | jplibre: Does being in debian channels off/on make a real difference? |
| 21:01.23 | jetscreamer | that would be ##linux, not even a topic |
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| 21:01.45 | jetscreamer | err op |
| 21:01.49 | jetscreamer | not topic, op |
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| 21:03.09 | thingfish | I say shoot 'em all and let god sort 'em out. |
| 21:03.29 | thingfish | :) |
| 21:03.46 | stew | teach a man to shot a fish... |
| 21:03.53 | thingfish | heh |
| 21:04.54 | xnix | is it possible to do a one-time install of a .deb package |
| 21:04.57 | xnix | and not have it look for upgrades |
| 21:05.03 | stew | xnix: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:05.03 | xnix | or ignore upgrades always if they are available |
| 21:05.19 | xnix | stew thanks :) you saved me |
| 21:07.02 | ezsquirt | does anyone here use rivafb framebuffer ? |
| 21:07.06 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 21:07.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
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| 21:14.04 | oboy | hi, i have mixed sources of sid and etch in my sources.list, but etch is the default one. when I do #apt-get install -t unstable package_X, package_X is found, but when I do cache search there are no entries. so how can i seach for a unstable package if etch are the default ones? |
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| 21:15.07 | evilgeek | apt-cache -p=unstable search foo? |
| 21:16.00 | flaco | someboy has a marble mouse working in linux? |
| 21:16.15 | kspath | flaco: "marble" mouse? |
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| 21:16.35 | flaco | logitech marble mouse... is a trackball with 5 buttons |
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| 21:16.42 | oboy | ok |
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| 21:17.07 | khaladan | Hi, I installed PHP from a package but I find I need to recompile it with an additional option -- in this case, pspell support. How do I go about recompiling this package using exactly the same options but with this additional feature? Is there a guide or mini-howto on how to go about this (common) problem generally? |
| 21:17.09 | kspath | flaco: I have only trackmans. They work the same as "normal" mice. |
| 21:17.38 | kspath | flaco: I use them in debian PPC and Intel and both USB and ps/2. |
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| 21:18.10 | kspath | flaco: Mine has 2 buttons and a clickable wheel.. |
| 21:18.11 | flaco | the mouse is working.... but... the scroll is not.. and ... is in a laptop.. so i have the mouse (trackball) and the trackpoint (the thinkpad mouse ) |
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| 21:18.20 | mobile | !ask |
| 21:18.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:19.18 | kspath | flaco: I have both as well. My scroll is working on the wheel. Not evertying supports the scrolling. |
| 21:19.27 | mobile | i have a problem with my backlight. i m runnung debian etch. when i xsreenserver try to blank the screen the backlight is still on |
| 21:19.28 | mobile | xset dpms force off in the console works. what can i do? |
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| 21:22.17 | CAHEK | Hello ALL!!!!! |
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| 21:22.39 | CAHEK | Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!!Fuck!!!! |
| 21:22.49 | CAHEK | Fuck!!!! |
| 21:22.50 | kspath | !ops CAHEK |
| 21:22.50 | CAHEK | Fuck!!!! |
| 21:22.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: CAHEK |
| 21:22.51 | CAHEK | Fuck!!!! |
| 21:22.53 | CAHEK | Fuck!!!! |
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| 21:22.56 | pinky_ | ... |
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| 21:23.05 | Ronin | not even a decent troll |
| 21:23.15 | CAHEK | Fuck!!!! |
| 21:23.24 | CAHEK | Êòîíèáóòü ãîâîðèò ïî ðóññêè????? |
| 21:23.37 | kspath | Useless morons have even more free time than I do. |
| 21:23.46 | CAHEK | Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Á |
| 21:23.46 | CAHEK | ëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!!Áëÿòü!!!!!! |
| 21:23.53 | Ronin | kspath: yep but at least yo uhave an excuse |
| 21:23.59 | CAHEK | kspath Fuck you! |
| 21:24.01 | kspath | !ops CAHEK |
| 21:24.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: CAHEK |
| 21:24.03 | beardy_ | !ops CAHEK .. |
| 21:24.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: CAHEK .. |
| 21:24.05 | Ronin | best part of them rolled down this momma legs |
| 21:24.16 | kspath | Ronin: I am fairly certain that even morons have excuses. |
| 21:24.16 | Ronin | umm thier even |
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| 21:24.23 | RichiH | klined |
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| 21:24.28 | RichiH | thanks kspath |
| 21:24.33 | Ronin | kspath: fair enough, how about you have a reason and not an excuse |
| 21:24.42 | khaladan | well i'm finding it difficult to find answers to this question: if I need to rebuild a package and just tweak a ./configure option, how do I go about doing that w/ a source deb? |
| 21:25.11 | kspath | Ronin: I am sometimes not able to reason an excuse. Sometimes my excuses are not a valid reason. |
| 21:25.27 | Ronin | too deep for my old brain |
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| 21:25.54 | ramiroec | is there a utility like "chkconfig" on debian ? or a tool to manage the services like apache |
| 21:25.59 | kspath | RichiH: No, thank you. All I did was whine about it twice. You actually stopped it. |
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| 21:27.39 | kspath | !tell ramiroec about rc.d |
| 21:27.45 | kspath | !tell ramiroec about update-rc.d |
| 21:27.50 | beardy_ | ramiroec: "/msg dpkg update-rc.d" and "/msg dpkg rcconf" |
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| 21:28.11 | beardy_ | Heh, I lose again. |
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| 21:28.36 | geckosenator | does anyone know how to do raid 10 with the debian installer? |
| 21:28.37 | kspath | beardy_: Yours was better. You mentioned rcconf. |
| 21:28.45 | geckosenator | it won't let me do raid on top of raid |
| 21:29.08 | beardy_ | kspath: :) (IIRC the update-rc.d does that to though) |
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| 21:29.26 | beardy_ | !tell pos-about root |
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| 21:32.30 | RichiH | kspath: yes, you made me aware of the situation, though |
| 21:32.38 | RichiH | kspath: which is just as important |
| 21:33.13 | kspath | RichiH: If only you had ops control over spanking them in person. |
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| 21:34.55 | mrec | has anyone got a pinnacle PCTV stick (DVB-T) device? |
| 21:35.42 | RichiH | kspath: hehe.. |
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| 21:38.39 | mobile | !ask |
| 21:38.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:39.47 | mrec | mobile: sometimes this doesn't fit at all |
| 21:40.09 | mobile | i have a problem with my monitor an backlight. i m running debian etch. when the scrennsaver turn the screen black, my backlight is still on. Can somebody help me plz. |
| 21:40.11 | mobile | i want that my backlight turns off after x minutes |
| 21:40.13 | mrec | it should be more like are you new to debian .. then read the rules if not you have some privileges ;-) |
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| 21:41.15 | mrec | mobile: you mean DPMS? |
| 21:41.24 | mobile | yes i think |
| 21:41.54 | mrec | you can set it with xset too |
| 21:41.54 | kspath | !dpms |
| 21:41.54 | dpkg | from memory, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 21:42.05 | mobile | the screen is black but the backlight is still on |
| 21:42.06 | mobile | at the console xset -display :0 dpms force off works ant the backlight is off |
| 21:42.50 | mrec | you need to set it up in your xorg or xf86config file |
| 21:42.58 | mrec | Option "DPMS" somewhere afaik |
| 21:43.08 | atrus | mobile: does the same command work from a term in X? |
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| 21:43.58 | minerale | Where does debian get it's names? I understand it's from toy story ... but I can't find them anywhere the way they are spelled by the project |
| 21:44.01 | mobile | yes it is a bash in x and it works |
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| 21:44.19 | wols_ | minerale: debbie and ian |
| 21:44.20 | wols_ | debian |
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| 21:44.33 | mrec | mobile: you need to set up your X11 configuration correct to get it work automatically |
| 21:44.36 | mobile | option "dpms" is in the xorg.conf |
| 21:44.42 | atrus | mobile: you probabbly just need to turn on dpms for xscreensaver. iirc, you can do that by running xscreensaver-demo and configuring the DPMS times |
| 21:44.45 | Ronin | minerale: and it gets it release names from toy story |
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| 21:44.57 | minerale | wols_, yeah, I"m saying name such as 'sarge' ... IMDB shows him as Sargent |
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| 21:45.08 | mrec | Optionsok :) |
| 21:45.12 | mrec | -Options* |
| 21:45.21 | kspath | minerale: Sarge is a short form of sargent. |
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| 21:46.01 | mobile | yes i know i set standby after 1 minute supsund afer 2 minuts and off after 3 minutes |
| 21:46.01 | mrec | mobile: did you set Option "DPMS" "true" |
| 21:46.03 | mobile | but nothing happens |
| 21:46.16 | pinky_ | How do I tell aptitude to forget whatever changes I told it to make? |
| 21:46.19 | mobile | no? where can i set this option? |
| 21:46.23 | kspath | minerale: Etch is shorter name than the toy it is/was named after. |
| 21:46.26 | mrec | in the xorg config |
| 21:46.37 | mrec | or xf86config |
| 21:47.00 | mobile | Section "Monitor" |
| 21:47.02 | mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.03 | mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.05 | mobile | EndSection |
| 21:47.06 | mobile | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.43 | mobile | i restart xserver one moment |
| 21:48.46 | jplibre | Okay, does anyone here use the 'olddir' directive with logrotate? Doesn't seem to be working, haven't heard back from Paul Martin on it yet or the upstream folks. |
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| 21:49.21 | mrec | yes |
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| 21:50.07 | mobile | re |
| 21:50.15 | kspath | jplibre: Would not hurt to also ask in mailing list just in case someone might know that is sleeping now or only frequents mailing lists. |
| 21:50.17 | mrec | and? |
| 21:50.18 | supertux | hi dudes i got this problem whi my printer is a HP 3535 the case is the i install cups server and cups pdd anddd nothing then well i ecide ti install all the foomatic libreries and when i am going to run printconf tellsme thati need to instal foomatic-db the thing is the i have that pakage installed |
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| 21:51.01 | yos87 | Hi |
| 21:51.29 | yos87 | What is the relation between Debian and HP? |
| 21:51.32 | supertux | what do you think |
| 21:51.40 | streuner | supertux: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 21:51.52 | raf256 | yos87: HP pwns debian |
| 21:52.00 | streuner | bullshit |
| 21:52.06 | raf256 | it do! |
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| 21:52.21 | yos87 | raf256: what pwns? |
| 21:52.29 | raf256 | owns.. never mind |
| 21:52.33 | kspath | yos87: HP developed their drivers with support for linux which is not debian specific but helps debian also. Perhaps they supported some debian developer to do it but I do not know. |
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| 21:53.12 | yos87 | But the website owner is HP |
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| 21:53.30 | [Elvis] | hej guys, I'm looking for a program to check networkload |
| 21:53.35 | kspath | yos87: HP is not the only one to do such development but they are large and did a decent job. Epson did some work as did some others as well. |
| 21:53.36 | [Elvis] | I had one really good one before, but I forgot the name |
| 21:54.01 | [Elvis] | iptraf or something? |
| 21:54.02 | mobile | mrec: i wait now 2 minutes but nothing happend |
| 21:54.14 | yos87 | kspath: Thank you |
| 21:54.17 | kspath | [Elvis]: apt-cache search iptraf |
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| 21:54.28 | mrec | mobile: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/power/xorg_dpms/ |
| 21:54.54 | mobile | i set the time for standy at 1 minute and the blank screen off |
| 21:54.55 | streuner | yos87: some people help debian, bandwidth, hardware and stuff |
| 21:55.02 | mzuverink | I am attempting to install squirrelmail using uw-imap, however I cannot find how to start uw-imap, and it says that imap server localhost refused. What do i need to do to fix this? |
| 21:55.12 | laurens_ | woo |
| 21:55.13 | laurens_ | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xdeadbeef *** |
| 21:55.17 | streuner | hm |
| 21:55.22 | yos87 | streuher: If I know this before, I bought HP laptop |
| 21:55.22 | laurens_ | now i remmeber why im running unstable on my box |
| 21:55.26 | streuner | laurens_: what does BTS say? |
| 21:55.26 | laurens_ | interesting error messages! |
| 21:55.28 | laurens_ | brb :) |
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| 21:55.41 | streuner | not that unusual for unstable |
| 21:55.43 | laurens_ | streuner: it's known. some programs make strange assumptions |
| 21:55.52 | yos87 | streuner: But why if we want to by a hp laptop we have to pay for windows licence? |
| 21:56.06 | minerale | mzuverink, squirrelmail is a bit old... try horde |
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| 21:56.10 | yos87 | streuner: There is no hp laptop without OS |
| 21:56.12 | kspath | yos87: M$ does that by treats. |
| 21:56.33 | garzod | squirrelmail is "ok" |
| 21:56.35 | kspath | yos87: M$ does that by threats and deals. |
| 21:56.36 | streuner | yos87: there are laptop which have linux installed |
| 21:56.36 | jvw | minerale: erm, that's bullshit, both are alive, each have their advantages, but it isn't that squirrelmail is obsolete |
| 21:56.39 | garzod | not the best by any means |
| 21:56.51 | yos87 | streuner: HP? |
| 21:56.54 | stew | and horde is a pain |
| 21:57.01 | pilgrim | How many runlevels are the in debian? |
| 21:57.16 | wols | pilgrim: look in your /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:57.16 | streuner | yos87: well, yes, IIRC |
| 21:57.18 | mzuverink | minerale:squirrelmail is working, it is the imapd from uw-imap that is wrong(configed wrong) I cannot seem to find how to start it |
| 21:57.21 | wols | pilgrim: look in your /etc/inittab |
| 21:57.29 | stew | pilgrim: 7, but 2-5 are all identical by default |
| 21:57.35 | jvw | uw-imapd is a pain, I'd stongly suggest dovecot instead |
| 21:57.38 | garzod | mzuverink: anything in syslog? |
| 21:57.38 | pilgrim | ok. thanks. |
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| 21:57.42 | yos87 | kspath: Yes of course, I don't want to pay microsoft for example! |
| 21:57.48 | kspath | yos87: If someone does not sign the agreements/contracts with M$ than M$ can refuse to allow them to include M$ on their machines. Most people still think M$ is a must have OS. It is sadly really. |
| 21:57.51 | jvw | most notably, uw-imapd will always export your whole homedir |
| 21:57.53 | mzuverink | garzod;no nothing |
| 21:57.55 | supertux | niceeeeeeee the printer is runnigggggg |
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| 21:58.30 | outlaw84 | I have a server (and a dream :D), I am working on project with a friend, we will be developing php-pages right now. I wanto give him r/w access to a directory so that he can upload and test fast. I currently have ssh open and I would prefere not giving him a shell acount. What is the best way for me to solve this problem? |
| 21:58.34 | kspath | yos87: Support those that do not make such deals. There are advertisements in Linux magazines for companies that do not do that. |
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| 21:59.06 | laurens_ | outlaw84: well, he is going to have to upload them somehow. |
| 21:59.21 | pilgrim | stew, how do I remove a service from a runlevel? |
| 21:59.26 | laurens_ | outlaw84: easiest would probably be a shell account actually, since ssh already runs on the box. scp rocks. |
| 21:59.28 | robin_sz | outlaw84, just give him shell access, whats the problem? |
| 21:59.29 | yos87 | kspath: Yes, here , I look alot for laptop without win or without os, The only one I found is fujitsu siemese! |
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| 21:59.47 | garzod | outlaw84: ftp? |
| 21:59.51 | streuner | pilgrim: man update-rc.d |
| 21:59.51 | yos87 | kspath: But why should HP make M$ agreement! |
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| 21:59.57 | laurens_ | outlaw84: if not, FTP could be a solution, but it's more complicated to set up than simply useradd -m yourfriend && password yourfriend |
| 22:00.04 | pilgrim | streuner, thank you sah |
| 22:00.15 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: The I'll need to check rights all over the place... I might have put 777 on stuff that shouldn't be 777 |
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| 22:00.49 | [Elvis] | is there a program to detect packetloss |
| 22:00.51 | streuner | yos87: in order you wanna sell laptops you have to give customers an OS... |
| 22:00.51 | robin_sz | outlaw84, well, poor sytems admin is not really an excuse now is it |
| 22:00.52 | [Elvis] | of somesort |
| 22:00.57 | [Elvis] | or just to check your connection? |
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| 22:01.17 | yos87 | streuner: Not oregenal licence !!!! |
| 22:01.20 | garzod | outlaw84: why not ftp!? |
| 22:01.29 | yos87 | streuner: a copy ! |
| 22:01.29 | kspath | [Elvis]: man netstat |
| 22:01.30 | streuner | yos87: without OS laptops running very *HARD* ;-) |
| 22:01.34 | robin_sz | outlaw84, or just chroot him to his ~/ |
| 22:01.36 | laurens_ | vNeed to get 231MB/275MB of archives. |
| 22:01.37 | ifvoid | yos87: HP sells laptops without OS |
| 22:01.42 | laurens_ | I <3 SID |
| 22:01.47 | ifvoid | yos87: (well, with FreeDOS, but ok) |
| 22:01.49 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: how do I chroot a user? |
| 22:02.04 | yos87 | ifvoid: I did not see really |
| 22:02.06 | laurens_ | outlaw84: google for 'chroot jail' thats probably what you want |
| 22:02.19 | ifvoid | yos87: I bought one half a year ago |
| 22:02.26 | robin_sz | what laurens said |
| 22:02.32 | laurens_ | outlaw84: the idea is basically that you make the root of that user relative instead of absolute |
| 22:02.35 | outlaw84 | will I be needing an extra chroot installation for that? |
| 22:02.37 | ifvoid | yos87: the nc6xxx line is offered without os |
| 22:02.42 | laurens_ | relative to his home dir, instead of the same for every dir. |
| 22:02.47 | ifvoid | yos87: It's jus tnot very much advertised |
| 22:02.49 | laurens_ | outlaw84: do you know what chroot *is*? |
| 22:02.51 | yos87 | ifvoid: is it ok with debian? what model? |
| 22:02.57 | robin_sz | nope, just a command in his .bashrc might be enough |
| 22:02.59 | outlaw84 | I am running amd64 so I have a chroot for 32-bit |
| 22:03.02 | ifvoid | yos87: but I think any authorized HP dealer shoudl be able to sell you one |
| 22:03.09 | laurens_ | outlaw84: judging by your question, i dont think you know |
| 22:03.17 | ifvoid | yos87: I've got a nc6120 here |
| 22:03.19 | laurens_ | outlaw84: thats a completely different use |
| 22:03.22 | ifvoid | yos87: works perfectly |
| 22:03.27 | outlaw84 | laurens_: I think I know |
| 22:03.31 | laurens_ | outlaw84: works the same way, but the result is different |
| 22:03.39 | ifvoid | the only thing that's not supported, is the SD card reader thingy |
| 22:03.47 | kspath | CFD143: Do you have a debian question? |
| 22:03.51 | laurens_ | outlaw84: like i said: google 'chroot jail' and you will receive temporary enlightenment |
| 22:04.00 | CFD143 | kspath do you like me? |
| 22:04.21 | streuner | CFD143: stop that, please. |
| 22:04.24 | outlaw84 | laurens_: okey Iäll return later then with more quesitions :) thanks |
| 22:04.41 | yos87 | ifvoid: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/321957-64295-89315-321838-f33-447346.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN |
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| 22:04.59 | kspath | CFD143: If you do not have a debian question you are welcome to leave #debian. |
| 22:05.06 | plasmid2 | is there a universal network monitoring tool to monitor ALL of my networks's download/uploads? not just linux, but winxp and apple (my wife uses apple, my son uses winxp) |
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| 22:05.14 | ifvoid | yos87: as I said, it's not advertised very much |
| 22:05.18 | plasmid2 | i want to use that "tool" in debian. |
| 22:05.23 | laurens_ | Ooh, this looks promising. |
| 22:05.23 | laurens_ | Get:132 http://ftp.belnet.be sid/main gcc 4:4.0.3-3 [5052B] |
| 22:05.24 | yos87 | ifvoid: Yes |
| 22:05.26 | ifvoid | yos87: but you can actually get thta laptop with any customization you want |
| 22:05.29 | yos87 | that is why I did not see |
| 22:05.32 | outlaw84 | laurens_: I dont like the fact that the secound hit on google was a description to how to break out of a chroot jail :( |
| 22:05.39 | ifvoid | including a different/no OS |
| 22:05.59 | laurens_ | outlaw84: please read up more on that. |
| 22:06.04 | ifvoid | (at least in Europe) |
| 22:06.21 | laurens_ | outlaw84: breaking out of chroot jails almost always need factors that you could fix. |
| 22:06.26 | ifvoid | yos87: ah, just click "customize your pc" |
| 22:06.46 | robin_sz | outlaw84, if you REALLY dont trust your friend, then it wont help restricting him/her to ftp, as you will be allowing them to upload php pages that will run as apache, that can still fsck with anything chmod 777 |
| 22:06.49 | ifvoid | yos87: and then it has the "OS: FreeDOS" options |
| 22:06.53 | ifvoid | yos87: save $100, too |
| 22:07.02 | yos87 | yes |
| 22:07.03 | yos87 | i see |
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| 22:07.14 | robin_sz | outlaw84, so .. either fix your permissions or dont let him/her upload anything either |
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| 22:07.43 | ifvoid | yos87: if you can sare the money, you should go for the nc6220 though |
| 22:07.58 | ifvoid | yos87: it has a better screen with larger resolution |
| 22:07.58 | robin_sz | outlaw84, you take my point? |
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| 22:08.02 | ifvoid | and is a bit lighter, too |
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| 22:08.24 | yos87 | ifvoid , not 1024 |
| 22:08.38 | yos87 | *save* |
| 22:08.41 | ifvoid | the nc6120 has 1024x768 |
| 22:08.55 | ifvoid | the 6220 also has options for widescreeen or 1440x1050 |
| 22:08.58 | yos87 | ifvoid: but it's the normal |
| 22:08.58 | ifvoid | iirc |
| 22:09.07 | yos87 | yea |
| 22:09.12 | ifvoid | yos87: yeah, it is, but that's a bit small for my taste ;) |
| 22:09.52 | yos87 | ifvoid: wanna play football in your screen !! |
| 22:10.19 | ifvoid | I want to put many xterms in my screen ;) |
| 22:11.03 | laurens_ | outlaw84: a good example is that you can make the kernel ignore all attempts by chrooted programs to use mknod(); |
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| 22:11.10 | yos87 | ifvoid: any scrennshot under your hand? |
| 22:11.14 | yos87 | for me? |
| 22:11.22 | ifvoid | yos87: from the latop? |
| 22:11.26 | laurens_ | IIRC, all attempts to break out of chroot use mknod() at some point in time |
| 22:11.30 | laurens_ | but, I have to go :'( |
| 22:11.36 | laurens_ | Goodnight everyone :) |
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| 22:11.43 | yos87 | ifvoid: yes of counrse |
| 22:11.46 | ifvoid | http://zoetekouw.net/screens/screen82.png |
| 22:11.49 | ifvoid | for example |
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| 22:12.28 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: yea I should fix my permissions :/ |
| 22:12.49 | outlaw84 | I was away reading about chroot |
| 22:12.50 | ifvoid | yos87: on my desktop, I have 3 terminals next to each other |
| 22:13.02 | ifvoid | on the laptop, only 2 fit |
| 22:13.19 | robin_sz | outlaw84, you know it makes sense |
| 22:14.01 | khaladan | which package supplies the command line "mail" program? |
| 22:14.03 | yos87 | ifvoid: OH, what all that, there is traffic in your laptop !, and there is arabic letter in ther corner, what is this? |
| 22:14.15 | ifvoid | traffic in my laptop? |
| 22:14.26 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: yea. But I am not 100% sure off how I should fix all my permissions I mean there are so many files |
| 22:14.38 | ifvoid | yos87: the arabic thing is the icon for gnome-charmap |
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| 22:15.00 | yos87 | ifvoid: what OS? debian, Gnome? |
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| 22:15.13 | ifvoid | yos87: this is ubuntu |
| 22:15.21 | robin_sz | outlaw84, but debain, as standard, is "just bout right" ... so you only need to sort out theones you have been crazy with |
| 22:15.22 | grendal_prime | can anyone suggest a good im server? |
| 22:15.23 | hardzzz | good evening friends |
| 22:15.38 | grendal_prime | irc server is not something these guys can handle |
| 22:15.44 | _ericb | hi all, anyone have a hint on where to look to make my multiple-button mouse work ? (map buttons to functions..) |
| 22:15.50 | grendal_prime | needs to be idiot proof, withen reason |
| 22:15.55 | hardzzz | I need a good repository to debian sid amd64... sugestions??? |
| 22:16.00 | yos87 | ifvoid: it's nicer then debian, it's original like this, or it's your change? |
| 22:16.31 | ifvoid | no, this is my doing |
| 22:16.36 | outlaw84 | hardzzz: 'deb http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ unstable main' |
| 22:16.45 | robin_sz | grendal_prime, idiot proof ofr users, or for the sysadmin? |
| 22:16.54 | grendal_prime | users |
| 22:16.56 | ifvoid | yos87: it's pretty similar as debian actually, just th ui is a bit more polished |
| 22:17.03 | hardzzz | [outlaw84]: I'm try.... tks ;) |
| 22:17.08 | robin_sz | mm ... try something jabber |
| 22:17.24 | grendal_prime | is there an opensource jabber? |
| 22:17.29 | robin_sz | many |
| 22:17.33 | mbishop | er |
| 22:17.36 | orchid | khaladan: mailx I think |
| 22:17.39 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: lets say i wanto chmod my files so the 'everyone' has no rights on the files but the other right stay as before |
| 22:17.55 | stew | grendal_prime: apt-cache show jabber |
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| 22:18.02 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: what command would do that? |
| 22:18.03 | grendal_prime | ya working on that stew |
| 22:18.04 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 22:18.07 | ifvoid | outlaw84: chmod o-rwx |
| 22:18.29 | robin_sz | o -rwx? |
| 22:18.35 | robin_sz | not a-rwx?? |
| 22:18.44 | ifvoid | a==all |
| 22:18.46 | ifvoid | o==other |
| 22:19.00 | robin_sz | fairynuff |
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| 22:20.06 | outlaw84 | I know that we got.. owner, grupp, everyone.. |
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| 22:20.24 | robin_sz | o-rwx is the right spell it seems |
| 22:20.46 | robin_sz | personaly, I tend to use numbers :) |
| 22:21.08 | ifvoid | robin_sz: well, it's a bit hard to do og=rX then ;) |
| 22:21.26 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: yea I like the number too... but how do you keep permisions when using numbers |
| 22:21.47 | yos87 | ifvoid: see this : http://yosefkuzany.com/aa.png |
| 22:22.02 | yos87 | this is mine |
| 22:22.08 | robin_sz | well, since I only create one file at once, and i set itspermissions how I want it right after I create it, the problem is not arising |
| 22:22.09 | ifvoid | nice |
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| 22:22.45 | outlaw84 | no this is nice: http://jserv.sayya.org/gallery/daemon-tux-duke-mozilla.jpg |
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| 22:23.07 | hardzzz | have brazilians developers here? |
| 22:23.38 | yos87 | outlaw84: what is that? |
| 22:23.46 | laurens_ | hardzzz: try #debian-br |
| 22:24.09 | outlaw84 | yos87: if you dont know by looking at the picture you have alot to learn |
| 22:24.40 | robin_sz | nice pic, apart from that bearded hippy on the wall |
| 22:24.40 | outlaw84 | yos87: dont you reconize anything on the picture? |
| 22:24.58 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: dont diss RMS :) |
| 22:25.15 | yos87 | outlaw86: people talking and having coffie, and GNU logo, and penguem, and fish! any more meaning? |
| 22:25.30 | yos87 | what does that mean? |
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| 22:26.07 | robin_sz | whats the calendar? |
| 22:26.13 | hardzzz | laurens_ tks! |
| 22:26.14 | laurens_ | outlaw84: I dislike java |
| 22:26.15 | outlaw84 | yos87: there are 14 teknologies and 2 people there |
| 22:26.31 | laurens_ | I have helped three people and been molested by one! |
| 22:26.32 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: evolution |
| 22:26.34 | laurens_ | My work here is done |
| 22:26.38 | laurens_ | I bid thee farewell |
| 22:26.44 | robin_sz | ok, 16 items ;) |
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| 22:27.31 | yos87 | outlaw84: there is OpenOffice.org in the table (^^) this nice |
| 22:27.36 | outlaw84 | robin_sz: I miss a green dragon or a blue K on the page :) |
| 22:27.51 | outlaw84 | *pic |
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| 22:28.19 | yos87 | outlaw84: there is Mozilla and Gentoo and Knoppix too |
| 22:28.31 | yos87 | outlaw84: But what is the pink man mean? |
| 22:28.37 | outlaw84 | yos87: you got apache, gimp, gtk, gnome there too |
| 22:28.51 | outlaw84 | but no gentoo och knoppix |
| 22:29.15 | outlaw84 | yos87: the pink devil is some BSD thing |
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| 22:29.21 | outlaw84 | so is the fish |
| 22:29.28 | robin_sz | nah |
| 22:29.40 | robin_sz | the fish is the openssh fish |
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| 22:29.47 | pyroplasm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.47 | Psy_32ans | i |
| 22:29.48 | robin_sz | blowfish |
| 22:29.53 | yos87 | outlaw84: I did not like him before your interduce |
| 22:29.55 | pyroplasm | s/ist/is/ |
| 22:30.01 | Psy_32ans | i want to install dvd rip with apt-get |
| 22:30.11 | Psy_32ans | but it say not found |
| 22:30.21 | kspath | !growisofs |
| 22:30.22 | dpkg | http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 22:30.28 | redloff | hi, where do I set fonts for menus of aplications like `sylpheed` or `multi-gnome-terminal` ? after gdm restart they've become extremely small, thx in advance |
| 22:30.34 | yos87 | outlaw84: Where is Gnome |
| 22:30.42 | robin_sz | tablecloth |
| 22:30.52 | robin_sz | but ..we digress |
| 22:31.05 | Psy_32ans | what is the command for view all package can i do to install ? |
| 22:31.08 | Psy_32ans | with apt |
| 22:31.23 | yos87 | use synpatic manager is better |
| 22:31.28 | outlaw84 | pyroplasm: looks kind of same :) I'll know better next time :) |
| 22:31.36 | outlaw84 | yos87: all over the table |
| 22:31.53 | outlaw84 | yos87: the foot |
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| 22:32.06 | yos87 | outlaw84: yea, I see ^^ |
| 22:32.20 | pyroplasm | outlaw84: outlaw84: it's the thame as openssh an openbsd are both a deraad (c) project :) |
| 22:32.38 | yos87 | outlaw84: The pictures is really very nice !! |
| 22:32.44 | pyroplasm | but I didn't mean to correct you. you just were faster |
| 22:32.58 | kspath | Psy_32ans: apt-cache search keyword apt-file install apt-file;apt-file update; apt-file search keyword There are manual pages for them. |
| 22:33.06 | outlaw84 | pyroplasm: yea I realized that just now when looking at their homepages |
| 22:33.07 | Psy_32ans | kspath:thanks |
| 22:33.08 | yos87 | psy_32ans: did you get synpatics manager? |
| 22:33.32 | Psy_32ans | yos87:no :o) |
| 22:33.50 | yos87 | psy_32ans: Gnome or KDE? |
| 22:33.59 | Psy_32ans | yos87:gnome |
| 22:34.23 | yos87 | psy_32ans: Just Applications > System tools > Synpatic ! |
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| 22:34.31 | saad3000 | hello, is there a |
| 22:34.40 | MatBoy | Guys, I don't have any turn-off button in in my logoff screen in KDE, acpi is installed and all user can turn off the computer. What's wrong ? |
| 22:34.46 | MatBoy | or what could be wrong :) |
| 22:34.47 | saad3000 | hello, is there a "Stand by mode" in debain? |
| 22:34.51 | saad3000 | debian* |
| 22:35.00 | MatBoy | saad3000, nice question ;) |
| 22:35.03 | Psy_32ans | yos87:i'm not on debian, i'm on suse |
| 22:35.04 | outlaw84 | How meany of you know what the yellow camel is? :) I had to ask before I knew what this was |
| 22:35.07 | `ns` | any suggestions on what to do when mouse is locked up in X(.org) debian/testing .... just came back to my computer and the mouse won't do anything. |
| 22:35.08 | saad3000 | MatBoy: thanx. |
| 22:35.13 | Psy_32ans | yos87:because, debian, is not on 64 bits |
| 22:35.27 | yos87 | psy_32ans: apt on susu? |
| 22:35.28 | Psy_32ans | where is the config file for the database ? |
| 22:35.34 | Psy_32ans | yos87:yes |
| 22:35.44 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: that is not on 64-bits? |
| 22:35.45 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: what is not on 64-bits? |
| 22:35.47 | MatBoy | Psy_32ans, /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 22:35.52 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:debian |
| 22:36.03 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: it sure is |
| 22:36.07 | Psy_32ans | MatBoy:mysql :) |
| 22:36.15 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: I have been running it for half a year ;) |
| 22:36.16 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:i go to see |
| 22:36.20 | stew | Psy_32ans: you are running suse? |
| 22:36.23 | MatBoy | Psy_32ans, you needed that ? |
| 22:36.27 | Psy_32ans | stew:yes |
| 22:36.40 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 22:36.48 | stew | Psy_32ans: then please go to #suse, your questions are off-topic here |
| 22:36.48 | `ns` | note : afforementioned mouse is usb, I have tried unplugging and plugging back in ... still dead as a doornail |
| 22:36.49 | outlaw84 | #debian_amd64 |
| 22:36.54 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:i go to see |
| 22:37.11 | MatBoy | saad3000, do you have a turn-off button ? |
| 22:37.18 | saad3000 | MatBoy: yeb |
| 22:37.22 | Psy_32ans | stew:yes i know, but i use apt, and there is for debian |
| 22:37.24 | saad3000 | ya a turn off and a reboot |
| 22:37.27 | MatBoy | saad3000, how did you do that ? |
| 22:37.30 | saad3000 | but no standby |
| 22:37.32 | yos87 | outlaw84: it's your website? |
| 22:37.40 | saad3000 | do what? |
| 22:37.43 | stew | Psy_32ans: doesn't matter that you use apt, you still don't use debian, and therefore you are off-topic in here |
| 22:37.55 | MatBoy | saad3000, get those buttons there, I can't get them there |
| 22:37.58 | outlaw84 | yos87: no :) debian.org is not mine :) |
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| 22:38.01 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:thanks for your information, i go to download, this version |
| 22:38.09 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: you should :) |
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| 22:38.25 | yos87 | outlaw84: http://jserv.sayya.org? |
| 22:38.36 | MatBoy | debhelper, to many users here ? |
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| 22:38.46 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:yes, sure, because, i think it don't run on 64 bits |
| 22:38.47 | outlaw84 | yos87: nopps... I just found that image on google |
| 22:38.47 | saad3000 | MatBoy: depends on the XDM/WDM right? |
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| 22:39.04 | yos87 | MatBoy: it's only few talking ! |
| 22:39.13 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: Well I dont know what proff you want.. |
| 22:39.18 | yos87 | outlaw84: aha |
| 22:39.21 | MatBoy | saad3000, please explain :) I only get those buttons on knoppix :) |
| 22:39.34 | MatBoy | yos87, how do you mean ? |
| 22:39.57 | stew | Psy_32ans: debian has been working on 64 bits for years now |
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| 22:40.08 | robin_sz | so, imagine I wanted to rip out exim4 and replace it with courier, ... how can I do that WITHOUT removing all those things which require an MTA in the process? |
| 22:40.13 | saad3000 | MatBoy: Man where is the STAND BY mode? I mean if I hit the any key I would get to my display manager after the standby. |
| 22:40.13 | stew | Psy_32ans: by working i mean functional |
| 22:40.15 | yos87 | MatBoy: there is 790 user in the channel, but the talking people is leas then 10 ! |
| 22:40.16 | Psy_32ans | i want to install debian on AMD opteron Dual core |
| 22:40.17 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: why would I claim that is a pure 64-bit port if it wasn't ture? |
| 22:40.41 | MatBoy | yos87, explains a lot indeed :) |
| 22:40.41 | pilgrim | How can I purge a package after removing it. Package in question is exim4, and I already have removed it, now I want to get rid of the config files it left behind. |
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| 22:40.54 | yos87 | MatBoy: Why do you complain to debhelper? |
| 22:40.55 | ifvoid | pilgrim: reinstall, and purge then |
| 22:40.56 | MatBoy | saad3000, I even can't het the other buttons there |
| 22:40.58 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: just use the amd64 port and the compile a kernel for dual opteron |
| 22:41.01 | stew | Psy_32ans: /msg dpkg amd64 ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:41.28 | MatBoy | yos87, I didn't complain, just asked because I saw the message for the first time :) |
| 22:41.44 | MatBoy | het=get* |
| 22:41.44 | yos87 | yea |
| 22:41.48 | saad3000 | ok |
| 22:41.49 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:ok thanks for information |
| 22:42.07 | pilgrim | ifvoid, you kidding?! I've installed postfix, so to reinstall exim4, I'd have to remove postfix and then purge exim4 and then reinstall postfix. Too much work. No better way? |
| 22:42.09 | Psy_32ans | can i use xen on debian ? |
| 22:42.10 | MatBoy | saad3000, but did you use a tut for those buttons or what ? |
| 22:42.11 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: np |
| 22:42.19 | saad3000 | MatBoy: nah |
| 22:42.21 | stew | pilgrim: dpkg -P exim4-config |
| 22:42.22 | ifvoid | pilgrim: rm -rf /etc/exim4 |
| 22:42.28 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: what is xen? |
| 22:42.31 | ifvoid | stew: he's already uninstalled it |
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| 22:42.36 | stew | ifvoid: yes, i know |
| 22:42.37 | MatBoy | saad3000, damn.. I have searched and searched :( |
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| 22:42.39 | Psy_32ans | xen there is a vitual machin |
| 22:42.49 | ifvoid | stew: purging after removal doesn't work afaik |
| 22:42.51 | Psy_32ans | so a virtual os, and not machin |
| 22:42.54 | pilgrim | stew, you tell 'im stew. |
| 22:42.55 | stew | ifvoid: it does |
| 22:43.08 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | hey there, is there a chance or redirecting the nessus installation into a different standard? I am running out of space on my / partition |
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| 22:43.32 | ifvoid | stew: ah, you're right |
| 22:43.33 | ifvoid | sorry |
| 22:43.36 | stew | ifvoid: np |
| 22:43.52 | MatBoy | saad3000, because I know you can suspend the system |
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| 22:44.01 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ |
| 22:44.01 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: unless it is some properetery suse only thing I dont see why you shouldn't be able too |
| 22:44.03 | pilgrim | stew, thanks :) |
| 22:44.06 | saad3000 | MatBoy: how? |
| 22:44.25 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:yes i think so |
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| 22:44.43 | MatBoy | saad3000, I have to check that... need those other buttons first because I did it the same way on my laptop that way. Can't remember the other buttons anymore :( |
| 22:44.58 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: I checked its in the repository, means you can install it with one command |
| 22:45.14 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | or asked differently, new programs, do I need to install them into the / partition? is there a default setting I could change to point at somethign else? I follow more or less the standard debian installation and now my / partition is only 250M....? |
| 22:45.15 | pilgrim | stew, exim4 is still in /etc/init.d/ though. Should I remove this manually? Was this supposed to happen? |
| 22:45.27 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:ok, i see, thanks |
| 22:45.27 | saad3000 | allright. |
| 22:45.39 | yos87 | I have samba Installed, How can I share file? |
| 22:45.40 | MatBoy | than I can check it again |
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| 22:46.13 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/xen-utils-3.0 |
| 22:46.42 | kspath | pilgrim: If you can replicate/repeat the problem than document and report the bugs. |
| 22:46.47 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:i go to see |
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| 22:47.05 | Psy_32ans | outlaw84:i see thanks |
| 22:47.25 | stew | pilgrim: dpkg -P exim4-base |
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| 22:48.16 | pilgrim | stew, awesome. Thanks :) |
| 22:49.25 | outlaw84 | Psy_32ans: stew: is dpkg -P same as apt-get --purge? |
| 22:49.45 | bono | Question: whats the right package for javas 'ant' tool? libant1.6-java? |
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| 22:49.48 | outlaw84 | stew: is dpkg -P same as apt-get --purge? |
| 22:50.39 | stew | outlaw84: well sort of, but apt-get remove --purge will not purge a package that is already removed, and dpkg -P will |
| 22:51.33 | outlaw84 | stew: oh okey |
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| 22:51.54 | MatBoy | saad3000, can't find out what's wrong with my powerbuttons :( |
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| 22:56.25 | ForrestF | how do i configure XORG to use a USB wheel mousr |
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| 22:56.43 | streuner | !wheelmouse |
| 22:56.48 | streuner | hm |
| 22:56.54 | stew | !usbmouse |
| 22:56.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 22:57.59 | bono_ | Question: the stable release doesnt have an 'ant' package. which one should i look for? |
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| 22:58.09 | streuner | !mousewheel |
| 22:58.09 | dpkg | historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 22:58.24 | streuner | hm, my wheel mouse doesn't work :-) |
| 22:58.41 | maher | bono_: look in the bug database :) |
| 22:58.52 | bono_ | maher: :-( |
| 22:59.37 | streuner | ForrestF: do you use udev? |
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| 23:00.31 | kspath | Java is not dead yet? |
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| 23:00.43 | _rene_ | unfortunately yes |
| 23:01.09 | streuner | _rene_: hehe :-) |
| 23:01.35 | pilgrim | I'm trying to remove courier-pop from starting up automatically. I read update-rc.d man page but, it seems to me like I have to remove /etc/init.d/courier-pop then then run "update-rc.d courier-pop remove". Is this correct? If so, how will I get courier-pop in /etc/init.d/ if later on I decide I want it to automatically startup? |
| 23:02.13 | johnsu01 | pilgrim: there's an option to force removal even when the /etc/init.d script still exists. |
| 23:02.38 | pilgrim | johnsu01, I saw that, but what does that really mean? |
| 23:02.57 | johnsu01 | pilgrim: it means you don't have to sudo rm /etc/init.d/courier |
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| 23:03.29 | `ns` | any suggestions on what to do when mouse is locked up in X(.org) debian/testing .... just came back to my computer and the mouse won't do anything. |
| 23:03.33 | `ns` | note : afforementioned mouse is usb, I have tried unplugging and plugging back in ... still dead as a doornail |
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| 23:04.30 | kspath | `ns`: This is a one time occurence or can you repeat it? |
| 23:04.49 | pilgrim | johnsu01, so later if I wanted to have courier-pop startup again (automatically) I would just do "update-rc.d courier-pop defaults", right? |
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| 23:06.33 | johnsu01 | pilgrim: probably. I've never wanted to do that, so I'm not sure. But I'm sure about the force option. :) |
| 23:06.56 | pilgrim | johnsu01, alright. Thanks. |
| 23:07.12 | `ns` | kspath, it is a second time occurence , happened about 2 weeks ago ... I restarted X that time, figured I would look for a solution this time |
| 23:07.35 | pyroplasm | pilgrim: and make sure to run the stop command. otherwise the next update will restore all rc links |
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| 23:07.55 | pilgrim | pyroplasm, OH! Great tip. Thanks. |
| 23:07.59 | kspath | `ns`: laptop? power saving features? USB mouse? ps/2? |
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| 23:09.34 | `ns` | USB, desktop, I didn't set up any power saving features, but any that came with a netinstall (done a month ago) may be active |
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| 23:10.33 | kspath | `ns`: any particular environment? window manager on top of Xorg? |
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| 23:11.21 | edgardpacheco | hi everynody |
| 23:11.24 | edgardpacheco | everybody |
| 23:11.35 | kspath | `ns`: I will not have an answer for you. Just trying to ask some specifics that might come up. |
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| 23:12.37 | kspath | `ns`: Try putting all the particulars in a file in case someone wants you to use pastebin. Anything in logs regarding mouse/pointer? |
| 23:12.49 | `ns` | shouldn't be power saving, since the computer is on 24/7 and often goes long periods without use ... this was just a 2 hour break between uses. Running fluxbox and only programs that I leave running 24/7 ... gkrellm, gaim, firefox, xchat, emelfm, and bash session with mc in it |
| 23:12.50 | jcm | hi, I just migrated to xorg with my laptop/unstable. While everything work, I get a strange error with vim displaying a blacnk console. Is it a font problem ? ccan it be linked to xorg ? |
| 23:13.16 | Azar | o/t good article: The Big Crunch: The Downside Of Multicore http://www.blachford.info/computer/articles/bigcrunch1.html |
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| 23:14.16 | voltagex | I wasn't ableto get speedstep working, but when debian boots, acpi reports that my CPU supports 8 throttling states (which is correct) |
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| 23:14.42 | voltagex | How can I use acpi throttling? |
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| 23:16.19 | FabParma | iI have a 1GB HD, can i install the X ? |
| 23:17.24 | gnufan | voltagex: did you "apt-cache search acpi cpu" yet? |
| 23:18.09 | voltagex | gnufan: no, thanks for the keywords |
| 23:18.14 | FabParma | What is the minimum size to Install Gnome? |
| 23:18.16 | stew | voltagex: what cpu do you have? |
| 23:18.28 | voltagex | stew: Centrino M |
| 23:18.36 | voltagex | hang on, that's not rightg |
| 23:19.03 | voltagex | it's a single core pentium 4 mobile thing |
| 23:19.06 | stew | voltagex: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 23:20.22 | voltagex | stew: kernel 2.6.11.16 |
| 23:20.31 | stew | voltagex: modprobe speedstep_centrino |
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| 23:20.53 | voltagex | stew: failed, module is there but it says no such device |
| 23:21.27 | stew | voltagex: grep name /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:22.08 | edgardpacheco | I have a cx1500 epson printer, i followed the CUPS guide, but i can't get it work, please, does anyone knows about a good guide so i can get my epsoncx1500 running? |
| 23:22.14 | voltagex | stew: Mobile Intel Celeron 1.8GHz |
| 23:22.41 | voltagex | and I'm gonna have to leave in about 5 minutes, sorry |
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| 23:23.30 | stew | voltagex: you must need one of the other speedstep modules then, maybe speedstep-lib or speedstep-ich, i don't really know |
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| 23:23.39 | moprilo | hi, i apt-got apache and php4, and the libapache-mod-php4, but still when i have some php file in my /var/www dir, then i get save as.. |
| 23:23.48 | moprilo | what is the step i'm missing |
| 23:23.49 | moprilo | ? |
| 23:23.49 | stew | voltagex: "/sbin/modprobe -l | grep speedstep" will list the possiblilties |
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| 23:25.01 | voltagex | stew: there were three there as well as -lib, speedstep-lib loaded, all others reported "No such device" |
| 23:25.03 | moprilo | i remember something like handling had to made, but don't remember where |
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| 23:25.50 | stew | voltagex: -lib might have been the one then. try "apt-get install cpufreqd" and see if it starts working |
| 23:26.05 | stew | voltagex: (or whatever else you were doing to test) |
| 23:26.38 | FabParma | What is the minimum size to Install X ? I have a 1GB HDD and i would like to use it |
| 23:26.39 | voltagex | stew: it appears to already be working |
| 23:27.01 | stew | voltagex: then add speedstep-lib to /etc/modules |
| 23:27.06 | voltagex | stew: /proc/acpi/cpu and so on |
| 23:27.19 | voltagex | it's using acpi, not speedstep |
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| 23:27.35 | voltagex | is there any way to get the current cpu speed? |
| 23:28.05 | Angels2 | cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 23:28.26 | stew | voltagex: ^^ |
| 23:28.26 | voltagex | damn, still reports 1800mhz |
| 23:28.38 | stew | voltagex: what did you do to try to change the speed? |
| 23:29.00 | stew | voltagex: i suggest you insatll cpufreqd and let that manage the speed for you |
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| 23:29.14 | voltagex | echo T0 > throttling |
| 23:29.42 | voltagex | well I gtg |
| 23:29.48 | voltagex | thanks for the help |
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| 23:30.19 | FabParma | What is the minimum size to Install a Desktop Environment? I have a 1GB HDD and i would like to use it |
| 23:30.36 | stew | FabParma: that should be enough |
| 23:31.00 | FabParma | stew: for gnome kde or |
| 23:31.09 | FabParma | the smallest Desktop Environment |
| 23:31.14 | maher | FabParma: for both |
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| 23:31.21 | stew | FabParma: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 23:31.23 | FabParma | maher: incredible |
| 23:31.32 | FabParma | stew: great |
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| 23:31.39 | FabParma | stew: thenk you |
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| 23:33.18 | cheal | FabParma: install wisely. there can be ~300 MB of difference between kde-core plus needed packages and kde |
| 23:33.35 | Agrajag- | gday, im trying to build a simple debian package. say i just have a foo.sh which i want to install in /usr/bin. i have a directory with usr/bin/foo.sh in it and a debian/control file. i can't find any good howto's for this sort of situation (the maintainers guide just has an example for a source package with a complicated debian/rules file which i don't need) |
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| 23:34.11 | maher | FabParma: actually don't know if they'll both fit after all - my root has about 1.8G, but it has a lot of dev stuff too - try just one first |
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| 23:34.34 | ceplma | Agrajag-: IMHO, it is better to stick with the over-complicated debian/ directory (it needs to have only like three or four files and debian/rules could be simplified). |
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| 23:34.52 | panthera | Agrajag-: this is an example: http://ftp-master.debian-unofficial.org/other/debootstraps/20051201duo1/ |
| 23:34.58 | stew | Agrajag-: find an existing package which does something similar and see what they have done |
| 23:35.14 | phroid | does anybody has de .deb of gnome-bluetooth? |
| 23:35.20 | FabParma | an if i install the others desktop Desktop Environment |
| 23:35.23 | Agrajag- | ok, ta |
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| 23:36.12 | FabParma | can you suggest me a good one please? |
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| 23:36.44 | Agrajag- | cheers panthera that helps a lot |
| 23:37.10 | FabParma | have i always to install the gdm or others? |
| 23:37.34 | panthera | Agrajag-: that was the intention, yes :) |
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| 23:38.09 | cheal | FabParma: other than which one? |
| 23:38.49 | FabParma | gdk for instance, baut there are others |
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| 23:39.03 | cheal | FabParma: gdk? |
| 23:39.36 | FabParma | doesnt matter |
| 23:39.44 | FabParma | i go sleep |
| 23:39.49 | FabParma | bye |
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| 23:40.35 | SexyKen | Hey guys, those of you who run Debian as a server -- what are some Home Server must haves? |
| 23:40.53 | SexyKen | I was trying to get a Web based AIM Client -- but found it hard to find something -- my gf would like to be able to use AIM at work. |
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| 23:41.10 | maher | SexyKen: screen |
| 23:41.10 | nite613_ | Running etch. Recently I noticed that whenever I configure an interface via DHCP it gets an auto-config address, like 169.254.236.160 instead of the proper IP. It works, though; the route is correct and it is pingable as the real address, just ifconfig is showing the wrong one |
| 23:41.12 | kspath | SexyKen: syslogd |
| 23:41.18 | SexyKen | Right. |
| 23:41.22 | nite613_ | is this s recent bug in ifconfig, or is it something else? |
| 23:41.25 | SexyKen | You're so useful. |
| 23:41.32 | SexyKen | Without you, I'd proabably...be getting input. |
| 23:41.35 | SexyKen | Imagine that. |
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| 23:42.23 | kspath | SexyKen: Who are you talking to? So far you have gotten screen and syslogd as input. |
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| 23:43.10 | MrRio | hey, how do i recreate a deb file from the uncompressed folder? been playing with 'ar' for a while with no luck |
| 23:43.16 | nite613_ | SexyKen: My "Home Server" runs screen, centericq, pine, irssi, and samba. That accounts for most of it's function, really |
| 23:43.17 | thingfish | I could never switch to another distro because I'd miss kspath too much. :) |
| 23:43.33 | kspath | thingfish: hehehe |
| 23:43.37 | thingfish | !beer kspath |
| 23:43.40 | kspath | SexyKen: apache? |
| 23:43.51 | SexyKen | Anyone use their home server to backup the other computers in your home? |
| 23:43.55 | SexyKen | IE: Bacula? |
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| 23:44.18 | thingfish | I backup stuff all the time. That's what I have a second hard drive for. |
| 23:44.24 | pipeline | SexyKen: You mean EG. |
| 23:44.27 | pipeline | thingfish: Bad plan. |
| 23:44.29 | mugwump_ | hmm, best channel to ask about alioth problems? |
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| 23:44.32 | pipeline | thingfish: Hard drives have a dismal shelf life. |
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| 23:44.41 | SexyKen | thingfish: I dont like the idea of manually backing up shit all the time, sounds stupid to me. |
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| 23:44.47 | thingfish | pipeline: oh you just have to be negative. |
| 23:44.54 | pipeline | thingfish: Well, it's true :\ |
| 23:44.55 | thingfish | pipeline: ;) |
| 23:44.58 | thingfish | I know. |
| 23:44.58 | SexyKen | So I like the idea of a client/server based backup -- and make it redundant. |
| 23:45.02 | SexyKen | That's what I prefer. |
| 23:45.03 | jetscreamer | you need holographic storage dude! |
| 23:45.13 | pipeline | thingfish: Any event catastrophic enough to make you need a backup is going to take out an online backup. And an offline hard drive is much, much, much less reliable than a running one. |
| 23:45.17 | maher | SexyKen: i use dirvish |
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| 23:45.33 | jetscreamer | run everything in memory, also, that ramdisk can be your hd! |
| 23:45.35 | maher | SexyKen: important things get backed up on machines in different continents |
| 23:45.39 | cheal | !alioth |
| 23:45.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alioth is http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html |
| 23:45.46 | nix4me | anyone else have problems with flash sound in firefox? im using etch. ive tried google but there are so many different opinions im a little confused |
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| 23:46.00 | stew | nix4me: are you using alsa or oss? |
| 23:46.03 | thingfish | BOY do I know, pipeline. while slightly inebriated one night I disconneted my pata drive just *right* before the computer was all the way shut off and poof! there went my backup ext3 partition. thank goodness for cdrw. |
| 23:46.04 | nix4me | also |
| 23:46.09 | nix4me | alsa |
| 23:46.10 | cheal | dpkg: alioth is also irc://irc.oftc.net/#alioth |
| 23:46.10 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 23:46.15 | Mask | I'm pretty sure that tor used to be in the package system, but now it's not there... Am I just crazy? |
| 23:46.19 | SexyKen | maher: I backup our company data using a series of backup servers...total of 40 backup servers per 20 machines. |
| 23:46.21 | stew | nix4me: is snd_pcm_oss loaded? |
| 23:46.24 | SexyKen | Sounds good enough to me. |
| 23:46.25 | nite613_ | nix4me: Yes, flash sound has crashed my browser in etch despite siwtching alsa/oss and messing with all sorts of firefox DSP options |
| 23:46.27 | Mask | (I want to install it on a different machine) |
| 23:46.35 | mugwump_ | cheal: ah thanks |
| 23:46.40 | maher | SexyKen: sounds just fine |
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| 23:46.44 | nite613_ | mask: I think it |
| 23:46.44 | nix4me | lemme look |
| 23:46.47 | cheal | mugwump_: it's a pleasure |
| 23:47.04 | SexyKen | But I'm just looking for a simple home solution to make my monthly formats a little more....pleasurable. |
| 23:47.06 | ceplma | SexyKen: get her to jabber (you are on jabber, right?; she can still use AIM transport for the rest of her family) and then she can use jwchat (many jabber servers, I am on jabber.cz, have it installed). That's what I do now, and even though jwchat is not the most stable one on IE, it works pretty well. And web client is much more pleasant experience than any official client I have ever met. Plus you don't have to install anything. |
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| 23:47.39 | Mask | nite613_, you think it? |
| 23:47.42 | thingfish | pipeline: but seriously, I have not had a single seagate drive fail - and I've been putting them in my machines for a couple years now. |
| 23:47.52 | nix4me | stew - i dont see snd_pcm_oss. is that a package? |
| 23:47.54 | stew | Mask: tor is in testing/unstable but not stable |
| 23:47.56 | maher | SexyKen: how about running dirvish on a spare hd |
| 23:47.59 | stew | nix4me: its a kernel module |
| 23:48.08 | Mask | stew, yeah, I'm using testing, and it's still not there |
| 23:48.10 | maher | thingfish: i have had seagates fail |
| 23:48.18 | Mask | I did apt-get update, too |
| 23:48.20 | nix4me | no clue, im using stock debian kernel |
| 23:48.20 | pipeline | thingfish: SHELF life is dismal. |
| 23:48.26 | pipeline | thingfish: A running hard drive is a marvel of engineering :P |
| 23:48.27 | thingfish | maher: I have had super luck so far with them |
| 23:48.31 | stew | Mask: /msg dpkg why is tor not in testing |
| 23:48.31 | SexyKen | maher: Becuase I'm backing up 5 home machines -- why use 5 backup drives, when I can use one large one? |
| 23:48.32 | pipeline | thingfish: hard drives just make lousy backups |
| 23:48.41 | thingfish | oh for sure, pipeline, no argument at all there. |
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| 23:48.53 | SexyKen | I backup my data to RAM |
| 23:48.54 | maher | SexyKen: you can backup more than one machine using dirvish, space permitting |
| 23:48.54 | SexyKen | hah. |
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| 23:49.06 | thingfish | pipeline: well but I also do cdrw's, to backup the backups. |
| 23:49.25 | SexyKen | ceplma: I have never really understood Jabber...I'm not sure what it is useful for.... |
| 23:49.33 | Mask | stew, thanks, I guess it used to be in testing but now it isn't |
| 23:49.45 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:49.56 | thingfish | well it's a big world out there, honey. |
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| 23:50.28 | stew | Mask: you should be able to install the unstable version on testing safely |
| 23:50.50 | barbie | SexyKen is a hunk! |
| 23:50.58 | stew | teehee |
| 23:51.05 | thingfish | hi barbie! are you america's next top model? |
| 23:51.56 | thingfish | ok, she has to think about that one... |
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| 23:52.49 | kspath | SexyKen: Did anyones answers preclude anyone else from answering your question(s)? |
| 23:53.30 | maher | kspath: mu answer was so awesome everyone else was too shamed to give their lame answers |
| 23:53.31 | magyar | bleh |
| 23:53.48 | thingfish | it's so fun living right down the street from a fire station. |
| 23:53.54 | kspath | maher: screen is extremely useful and was a good suggestion |
| 23:54.12 | ceplma | SexyKen: jabber (see jabber.org for more) is like all other IMs except that it is better -- it allows inter-server communication, so julia@capulet.net can communicate with romeo@montague.org (when you think about that, all commercial IMs are like having all email of the whole world in one server -- isn't it crazy idea?), and it has also server-side gateways (called transports in jabberspeak) ... |
| 23:54.55 | ceplma | which can allow communication with proprietary networks -- so my wife is for me somename@icq.jabber.cz and I can communicate with her. |
| 23:54.57 | SexyKen | caplma: How would this allow her to use AIM? |
| 23:54.59 | magyar | wtf? |
| 23:55.55 | magyar | !hi |
| 23:55.56 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
| 23:56.17 | kspath | SexyKen: there are maybe a dozen aim compatible clients. I can tell you some of the less popular ones. pork, naim, and centericq. |
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| 23:56.27 | thingfish | and gaim? |
| 23:56.30 | ceplma | SexyKen: because I can register myself into the AIM gateway on the server (with my AIM nickname), which imports all my AIM-buddies to my roster (equivalent of buddy list), and then I can communicate with her through his gateway. I have my wife on ICQ and it works pretty well. |
| 23:56.46 | kspath | thingfish: I was giving the less popular ones. |
| 23:56.47 | SexyKen | kspath: Right -- but I need a web client. |
| 23:57.02 | thingfish | kspath: I new I liked you for a reason. ;) |
| 23:57.03 | kspath | SexyKen: galeon, dillo, firefox, mozilla, ... |
| 23:57.03 | abrotman | the official one from AOL can be made to work on debian |
| 23:57.14 | SexyKen | Interesting, ceplma, I'll have to try that. |
| 23:57.30 | abrotman | there is also an XPM for mozilla(maybe FF too) |
| 23:57.52 | thingfish | I distrust anything aol, because my sister's kids use it for chat. And of course their computer is constantly riddled with viruses and trojans. |
| 23:57.57 | Mask | Is there a difference between "suggested packages" and "recommended packages"? |
| 23:58.05 | ceplma | BTW, you can make to work it with GTalk (which is a jabber server in disguise), although for registering transports you have to use other client than GTalk. |
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| 23:58.23 | abrotman | thingfish: maybe cause it's running windows .. probably has zip to do with AOL |
| 23:58.25 | ceplma | thingfish: no viruses can come through gateway :-) |
| 23:58.35 | _rene_ | Mask: except that "recommended" is a bit stronger, no :) |
| 23:59.04 | thingfish | abrotman: windows, yes, but IE more than anything, plus they use some aol proprietary browser too it looks like. |
| 23:59.16 | ceplma | Mask: recommended is like "you really want to use this package as well", suggested "this maybe a nice idea to use this" |
| 23:59.35 | Mask | Oh, alright... whatever you guys say ;) |
| 23:59.39 | thingfish | ceplma: these people download god knows what. that's where the real trouble is. |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | thingfish: nope .. it's either IE or gecko |
