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| 00:00.18 | xface | ls *.txt | while read f ; do iconv -f iso-8859-7 -t utf8 $f -o $f ; done |
| 00:00.22 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: the contents file |
| 00:00.27 | xface | like this? |
| 00:00.36 | abrotman | there's a good way to follow instructions |
| 00:00.40 | abrotman | why isn't he in #bash ? |
| 00:00.46 | stew | xface: i still don't think you can write to the file you are reading from |
| 00:00.49 | xface | and the output can it stille be the reading filke? |
| 00:00.55 | cureless | xface, you need quotes around the f "$f" and becareful about doing it in the same dir, didn't you have "out/$f"? |
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| 00:01.11 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: ok, I'll try that, thanks |
| 00:01.16 | xface | yes iam gonan sue a help temp dir |
| 00:01.21 | cureless | magyar, linux has no problems with multiple interfaces. you should be able to ping both, no problems. |
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| 00:01.47 | cureless | magyar, you should be able to bring one down and still have access, you can do that via routing. |
| 00:01.48 | magyar | cureless: no i cant. i tried |
| 00:01.51 | xface | ls *.txt | while read f ; do iconv -f iso-8859-7 -t utf8 "$f" -o "$f" ; done |
| 00:01.55 | xface | this might work? |
| 00:02.06 | xface | sorry |
| 00:02.09 | cureless | magyar, is your problem pinging IN or pingin OUT? |
| 00:02.12 | xface | ls *.txt | while read f ; do iconv -f iso-8859-7 -t utf8 "$f" -o temp/"$f" ; done |
| 00:02.16 | magyar | cureless: in |
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| 00:02.40 | xface | ls sends output to while ? |
| 00:02.49 | cureless | magyar, and what is your problem, you get no answer on one ip? or you always get the answer on the same ip? |
| 00:02.56 | abrotman | really .. #bash ? |
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| 00:03.35 | cureless | xface, look, we've helped, we're nice people, but we can't do your job, or teach you shell scripting in 30 minutes. |
| 00:03.43 | xface | ok |
| 00:03.43 | abrotman | i bet #bash can! |
| 00:03.45 | xface | ill try |
| 00:04.01 | magyar | cureless: i get no response from T1 connection. no echos, most likeley they are going through the other T1, which is set as the default route |
| 00:04.47 | cureless | magyar, that might be correct, have you checked? |
| 00:04.56 | xface | it worked |
| 00:05.24 | degantyll | xface: nifty, sorry I could give you feedback sooner |
| 00:05.27 | magyar | cureless: yeap, thats why am asking all these well tought out questions, cause I cant get it to play for the past two weeks |
| 00:05.28 | cureless | xface, you dont' say? |
| 00:05.32 | jla | \q |
| 00:05.36 | xface | yeah |
| 00:05.38 | xface | but i womndr |
| 00:05.45 | xface | if it could also work as before |
| 00:05.50 | cureless | magyar, but have you tried? |
| 00:06.06 | magyar | cureless: what do you mean by "tried"? |
| 00:06.13 | _rares_ | security.debian.org isn't responding |
| 00:06.27 | cureless | pinged one ip and checked for output on the other ip. |
| 00:06.31 | magyar | _rares_: give it some time |
| 00:06.57 | magyar | cureless: oh, yeap, i tcpdumed it and see it come in the one and out the other |
| 00:07.14 | magyar | cureless: one default gateway |
| 00:07.48 | magyar | cureless: i tried sorce routing but that messes things up even more |
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| 00:07.58 | magyar | source |
| 00:08.33 | magyar | i might have to setup "quagga" |
| 00:08.53 | magyar | but that i dont know how |
| 00:08.55 | magyar | -_- |
| 00:09.16 | xface | for f in * ; do iconv -f iso-8859-7 -t utf8 "$f" -o temp/"$f" ; done |
| 00:09.30 | stew | xface: that won't work for filenames with spaces |
| 00:09.31 | xface | maybe we needed quotes for this to work? |
| 00:09.42 | stew | no |
| 00:09.48 | xface | why not? |
| 00:09.58 | cureless | xface, I though you were tired and wanted to sleep. |
| 00:10.04 | stew | xface: because you have spaces in your filenames and for uses space as a delimiter |
| 00:10.05 | xface | yes iam |
| 00:10.09 | xface | but iam also curious |
| 00:10.23 | cureless | xface, this is not a scripting class. that won't work. the for uses space as IFS so you can't do that. |
| 00:10.33 | stew | xface: try this; for f in * ; do echo $f ; done |
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| 00:10.45 | xface | but that why we sue doubel quoting stew |
| 00:10.47 | stew | xface: if you have spaces in the filnames you'll see that the filenames get split |
| 00:10.58 | Azar | hmm removing packages in unstable? so how they gonna get tested then? |
| 00:11.01 | stew | xface: then try for f in * do echo "$f" ; done |
| 00:11.16 | xface | yes indeed they gor split |
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| 00:12.43 | xface | f in * do echo "$f" ; done works fine |
| 00:12.56 | xface | no i mean for f in * ; do echo $f ; done |
| 00:12.59 | xface | works fine |
| 00:13.11 | cureless | magyar, I haven't tried the configurations myself, but I do know they work. Try using the route program or the iproute |
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| 00:13.22 | xface | root@dell:/var/www/data/text# f in * do echo "$f" ; done |
| 00:13.22 | xface | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done' |
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| 00:14.00 | ttick_ | *sigh* for some reason when I upgraded xorg in etch it fouled up my xdm somehow. Now on reboot X doesn't start. |
| 00:14.05 | dondelelcaro | xface: it's for f in *; do echo $f; done;. and this is not #bash |
| 00:14.32 | cureless | or #zsh mind you! |
| 00:14.36 | xface | ok |
| 00:14.38 | xface | sorry |
| 00:15.00 | ttick_ | xdm seems to be moved to /usr/bin/xdm instead of /usr/bin/X11/xdm but the script isn't updated in /etc/init.d |
| 00:15.08 | ttick_ | anyone know what hte problem is? |
| 00:15.21 | cureless | ttick, things are 'a changing. |
| 00:15.23 | xface | dondelelcaro, yours doesn also work :) |
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| 00:15.46 | stew | ttick_: what version does "apt-cache policy xdm" say for installed: ? |
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| 00:16.05 | stew | ttick_: and also the same for xserver-xorg |
| 00:16.11 | dondelelcaro | xface: uh... sure it does. |
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| 00:16.24 | ttick_ | stew: 1:1.0.1-6 for xdm |
| 00:17.02 | ttick_ | stew: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 00:17.41 | ttick_ | just updated about an hour ago. |
| 00:17.41 | gravity | ttick_: xdm from X11R7 snuck in to testing unbidden, unfortunately |
| 00:17.54 | ttick_ | gravity: ah. hmm. |
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| 00:18.08 | ttick_ | gravity: how do I roll it back? |
| 00:18.11 | gravity | ttick_: There's no easy way to fix it really, so I'd just disable xdm for a while and wait it out |
| 00:18.18 | gravity | ttick_: Oh, or use snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:18.20 | _rares_ | why can't x11-common link /usr/X11R6 to /usr? |
| 00:18.38 | ttick_ | gravity: hmm. okay. guess I should just start X with "X" on the command line? |
| 00:18.48 | _rares_ | X won't do |
| 00:18.51 | _rares_ | startx |
| 00:19.00 | ttick_ | gravity: haven't not used xdm in sooooo long (1993) |
| 00:19.04 | gravity | _rares_: What's wrong with the current scheme? |
| 00:19.09 | alexandre | someone can help with a mail server install? |
| 00:19.36 | _rares_ | the current scheme links /usr/X11R6/bin to /usr/bin |
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| 00:20.33 | _rares_ | we're getting rid of X11R6 so everything should go into /usr/ anyhow |
| 00:20.52 | ttick_ | grr, FreffFontPath ref count is 2 should be 1, then it quits. grr. Advice? |
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| 00:21.28 | gravity | _rares_: Well the only problematic part is bin |
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| 00:21.54 | abrotman | oh that looks promising |
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| 00:22.18 | _rares_ | packages keep looking in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts and others too |
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| 00:22.33 | stew | _rares_: which packages are looking for fonts there? |
| 00:22.47 | gravity | Well, that's something that can't be easily solved with symlinks. I tried. |
| 00:23.26 | |dennis| | !test |
| 00:23.26 | dpkg | No, |dennis|, you're not online any more. |
| 00:23.32 | ttick | hmm, if I install something like gdm will the pain go away? |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | !die |
| 00:23.47 | dpkg | I'll murder you abrotman! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
| 00:23.49 | cureless | no, but if you take some vicodine maybe |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | !dice |
| 00:23.52 | ilumma | abrotman "!dice: help" - gives you the english help |
| 00:23.52 | ilumma | abrotman "!dice: hilfe" - zeigt die Deutsche Hilfe an |
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| 00:24.07 | abrotman | nice stupid bot though |
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| 00:24.29 | _rares_ | don't let it hear you say that |
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| 00:24.43 | abrotman | ilumma: die |
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| 00:24.57 | cureless | the reply to "!test" should be a test like "how many countries in the world?" |
| 00:24.58 | sjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.04 | abrotman | !roll |
| 00:25.04 | dpkg | abrotman rolled: 5 |
| 00:25.09 | Mr_Molez | i set a password for mysql and forgot what it is, is there any way to remoev mysql and start again to set a new password ? |
| 00:25.10 | abrotman | htf did we do that last night |
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| 00:25.21 | abrotman | Mr_Molez: ask #mysql |
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| 00:25.24 | liable | kill the bot? |
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| 00:25.36 | abrotman | someome did :) |
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| 00:25.42 | _rares_ | !gentoo smite dpkg |
| 00:25.47 | _rares_ | !gentoosmite dpkg |
| 00:25.50 | _abbenormal | stew any other ideas on this error or we lost in the software hell until its fixed |
| 00:25.55 | ken__ | quick question, having a little problem with debian and grub |
| 00:25.55 | Mr_Molez | abrotman: are there no ways just to remove all mysql stuff from debian and just start again |
| 00:26.02 | abrotman | no .. last night .. someone did a dice-ish thingie .. and another idiot responding |
| 00:26.05 | abrotman | responded |
| 00:26.11 | _abbenormal | np here with grub |
| 00:26.16 | ken__ | i can boot up just fine under grub by issuing the commands directly to the shell |
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| 00:26.20 | cureless | Mr_Molez: use purge. |
| 00:26.30 | ken__ | but on the "savedefault" command, i'm getting a "Error 15: file not found" |
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| 00:26.36 | abrotman | Mr_Molez: silly me .. i assumed your data was important :) |
| 00:26.48 | trixx | i've got a bad kernel, a nyone know which file in /var/log is the boot logs? |
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| 00:27.01 | cureless | Mr_Molez: but if you plan on using mysql just learn some and ask how to reset passwords. |
| 00:27.17 | Mr_Molez | cureless: ok thanks |
| 00:27.26 | _abbenormal | hum is it in /boot where it would default to |
| 00:27.27 | michal_ | hi. i'ts been ages since i built a debian patched kernel with kernel package and i was wondering where the latest debian patches to the kernel are? |
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| 00:27.37 | lazzarello | I have a software raid1 array that just kicked out a partition because of a write error. Can I run fsck on the partition and mount it individually to compare it to the running array? |
| 00:27.40 | bonez39 | what's a channel devoted to ssh issues? |
| 00:27.44 | bonez39 | are there any? |
| 00:27.46 | michal_ | kernel-patch-debian seems to have been abandoned |
| 00:27.57 | witte | Mr_Molez: have a look at /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and look at the debian configuration of mysql |
| 00:28.06 | abrotman | bonez39: probably not .. OpenBSD writes it .. but i don't think #openbsd supports the versions for linux,etc |
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| 00:28.32 | trixx | _abbenormal: i don't see any logs in there.... |
| 00:28.33 | cureless | bonez39: are you using debian? ask the question here, maybe we can answer. |
| 00:28.48 | Mr_Molez | witte: ahh sweet thnx |
| 00:29.00 | bonez39 | abrotman, ok......I'll ask here then...I am trying to ssh to my office machine... I can ssh with a passwd, from office (there) to home (here) but not from home to office.... |
| 00:29.24 | bonez39 | I could write the 'ssh -v fyrenice.com' output in #flood, if that would help... |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | firewalls ? |
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| 00:29.24 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:29.24 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:29.27 | _abbenormal | sorry wasnt for you it was for ken__ |
| 00:29.31 | michal_ | also. how do you patch the new kernels? seems that a 2.6.16.9 patch faisl to apply to a 2.6.16.8 kernel :/ |
| 00:29.31 | bonez39 | abrotman, I haven't set up any firewalls......none that I know of... |
| 00:29.39 | michal_ | everything has gone crazy since i last did this |
| 00:29.59 | cureless | michal_: the patches changed the -p setting, you need a -p1 now iirc. |
| 00:30.11 | michal_ | cureless, it's always been -p1 |
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| 00:30.29 | cureless | michal_: it has? I remember using -p0 before. |
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| 00:30.49 | michal_ | hal@pvr:~/vdr/linux-2.6.16.8$ bzcat ../patch-2.6.16.9.bz2 | patch -p1 |
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| 00:30.58 | michal_ | blah blah |
| 00:31.00 | michal_ | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] |
| 00:31.12 | stagger | hi. i have done dist-upgrade from fresh sarge to sid. However, i'm unable to install xorg-xserver pacakge. i'm getting: "underprocess pre-installation script has retruned error 10". How can install x? |
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| 00:31.29 | gravity | stagger: Known bug fixed in svn. The fix will be uploaded tonight |
| 00:31.33 | michal_ | it seems i have to redownload the entire 40mb kernel each time :/ |
| 00:31.37 | bonez39 | abrotman, any ideas? let me know if you can see where this might be falling apart |
| 00:31.48 | stagger | gravity: oohhh... nice to hear that :) thanks |
| 00:31.56 | cureless | michal_: does it reverse patch with no errors? maybe you applied it already. |
| 00:31.56 | gravity | No problem |
| 00:32.01 | abrotman | <bonez39> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? n |
| 00:32.01 | abrotman | <bonez39> Please type 'yes' or 'no': no |
| 00:32.09 | abrotman | bonez39: what do you think that means? |
| 00:32.14 | michal_ | cureless, no.. i just extracted it.. and i just downloaded the patch |
| 00:32.30 | bonez39 | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? n |
| 00:32.30 | bonez39 | Please type 'yes' or 'no': no |
| 00:32.30 | bonez39 | Host key verification failed. |
| 00:32.30 | bonez39 | zugraum:/home/scott# |
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| 00:32.39 | abrotman | i know my limit! |
| 00:32.43 | michal_ | i'll just download the entire 40mb kernel again.. it'll be faster than trying to figure this out :/ |
| 00:32.46 | dvs | really? |
| 00:32.50 | bonez39 | of course..I typed "NO'...instead of just n... |
| 00:32.51 | cureless | michal_: or, now that I see your numbers, is the -9 patch from the "-0"? as opposed to an incremental from the -8? |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | bonez39: did you try typing "yes" ? |
| 00:33.11 | bonez39 | hmmm |
| 00:33.19 | bonez39 | abrotI'll type yes and paste in flood |
| 00:33.25 | michal_ | cureless: i don't know.. they have incremental patches between stable kernels now? |
| 00:33.26 | cureless | lol |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | bonez39: ok |
| 00:33.35 | ceplma | does anybody know about kopete_0.12beta2 package for sid? Where does it grow? |
| 00:33.49 | stoned | LOL |
| 00:33.53 | cureless | michal_: try to download a -8 patch, do a reverse, then apply the -9 patch. |
| 00:33.58 | abrotman | ceplma: in my garden .. next to the onions |
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| 00:34.30 | ceplma | abrotman: how do you install it? ;-) |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | ceplma: a fork? |
| 00:34.42 | michal_ | cureless, i see.. there seems to be a whole new category of patches that never existed before :/ |
| 00:34.49 | ceplma | :-D |
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| 00:35.43 | bonez39 | abrotman, and YES, I did type yes..and the correct password.....three times..and there ya go |
| 00:35.57 | michal_ | but as before.. odds are that the kernel won't work with debian for me unless i apply debian patches. does anyone know where i could get those? |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | bonez39: do you hvae the sshd_config from the broken server? |
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| 00:36.23 | bonez39 | abrotman, it's at my office...... |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | bonez39: yeah .. i realized that after i asked :) |
| 00:36.31 | bonez39 | can't quite ssh to that machine to access it..... |
| 00:36.36 | cureless | michal_: the problem is probably not the patches, it's the config. Use the default debian config for that kernel. |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | dvs: use your own! |
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| 00:36.51 | abrotman | gravity: was it raining there tonight ? |
| 00:36.52 | ceplma | michal_: why do you need Debian patches? I was using plain vanilla kernel on my notebooks (just with suspend2 patch) for years. |
| 00:36.59 | michal_ | cureless, it's buggy.. ie THE vital feature i need doesn't work anymore |
| 00:37.04 | gravity | abrotman: A little |
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| 00:37.11 | cureless | michal_: what's buggy? |
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| 00:37.20 | abrotman | gravity: why'd they cancel the game then ? |
| 00:37.25 | michal_ | ceplma, 99.9% of the time the upstream kernel failed to boot on my system while the debian patched one booted fine |
| 00:37.26 | gravity | abrotman: No idea |
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| 00:37.38 | abrotman | gravity: you're a DD .. you're supposed to know! |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | this is why i pay for debian! |
| 00:37.54 | michal_ | cureless, the saa7146 driver |
| 00:37.57 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:38.00 | cureless | DD's always know for their weather accuracy. |
| 00:38.09 | streuner | abrotman: well, you aren't ... ;-) |
| 00:38.15 | abrotman | i'm not what? |
| 00:38.32 | abrotman | http://www.weather.com/weather/map/USMA0046?from=36hour_map_large |
| 00:38.34 | liable | who has kde and can gimme the beep.ogg file? |
| 00:38.38 | abrotman | that makes more sense on why they canceled it |
| 00:38.42 | cureless | michal_: patch your kernel, use the default debian config. Remember you might need to create an initrd. |
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| 00:38.44 | abrotman | liable: are you serious ? |
| 00:38.54 | liable | abrotman: i am lazy |
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| 00:39.03 | abrotman | liable: you certainly hare |
| 00:39.04 | abrotman | are |
| 00:39.08 | michal_ | cureless, not might. it won't work unless i do |
| 00:39.21 | cureless | I can sell you a beep.ogg |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP |
| 00:41.30 | liable | i need a beep! |
| 00:41.35 | michal_ | cureless: the previous 2.6.15 debian kernel worked great until i got some extra hardware and found out it crashed if certain usb devices were plugged in during boot |
| 00:41.37 | CompWizrd | *bleep* |
| 00:41.39 | cureless | liable: here you go: "print |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | !find beep.ogg |
| 00:41.45 | cureless | liable: here you go: print "\a" |
| 00:41.46 | liable | i might get a fart |
| 00:41.55 | michal_ | cureless, the 2.6.16 doesn't crash but they broke the videodev device i use |
| 00:41.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'beep.ogg' (1): (/usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/oolite.app/Contents/Resources/Sounds/beep.ogg) in non-free/games/oolite-data. |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | wouldn't that be great .. hold in the bkspace .. get PBBBT PBBBT PBBBT |
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| 00:43.26 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 00:43.27 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 00:43.50 | pinky | How do I tell where my Java Runtime Environment is installed (I used java-package to create a .deb file of the JRE 1.5.0)? |
| 00:43.53 | cureless | liable: I'm serious, the |
| 00:44.02 | cureless | liable: I'm serious, the \a is the bell. And I hit enter too much. |
| 00:44.08 | stew | pinky: dpkg -L packagename |
| 00:44.12 | dvs | pinky: Did you install the deb? |
| 00:44.23 | pinky | dvs: Yes. |
| 00:44.39 | dvs | pinky: listen to stew |
| 00:44.44 | liable | cureless: no such file bash tells me |
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| 00:45.09 | cureless | liable: what? print "\a" ?? |
| 00:45.20 | pinky | Okay that worked, thanks. |
| 00:45.33 | cureless | crappy bash |
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| 00:47.42 | _abbenormal | stew thanks for the help ill wait a few days until its fixed |
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| 00:48.26 | cureless | liable: ok, for bash do: echo -e "\a" |
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| 00:49.25 | liable | cureless: hrm, no beep, but no error either. |
| 00:49.45 | cureless | that should definitelly beep. Maybe if you have visual bell then it'll flash. |
| 00:49.52 | abrotman | isn't 'beep' the mating call of the koala ? |
| 00:50.20 | thingfish | no, of the roadrunner. |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | i bet that beak hurts |
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| 00:52.32 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:52.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:52.43 | liable | hrm, my fart beep doesnt want to work, maybe it need to be a .ogg |
| 00:53.12 | abrotman | pull your finger |
| 00:53.40 | _Atomo64_ | hey, there's any way I can install a deb package that I made, but in a secure way? |
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| 00:54.11 | magyar | i have "defaultroute" in my pppoe.conf file. But when i start adsl i get "not replacing existing default route" |
| 00:54.25 | magyar | how can i force to replace default route? |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: a secure way? |
| 00:54.48 | multi_io | why are the testing -> etch, unstable -> sid etc. links missing on some Debian mirrors? |
| 00:55.09 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: which mirrors? |
| 00:55.16 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: yeah... it's the first time I make one, so I don't want to mess up my pc ;) |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: do it in a chroot first ? |
| 00:56.16 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: wait a moment... |
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| 00:56.38 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: yeah, something like that+ |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | so do it ? |
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| 00:56.57 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: :P |
| 00:57.05 | Nexus | any1 know anything about exchange 2003 |
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| 00:57.10 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 00:57.17 | multi_io | abrotman: debian-non-US only has stable and oldstable? Is that right? |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | Nexus: completely wrong channel |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | i don't even think sarge has non-us |
| 00:57.28 | Nexus | what is the best channel? |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | #windows? .. no idea .. certainly not #debian |
| 00:57.52 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: does anybody know what's going on with so many Debian servers -- I yesterday tried ftp.us.debian.org and debian.crosslink.net before I switched back to my late-updated but trusty debian.lcs.mit.edu. |
| 00:58.08 | ceplma | (sorry, it shouldn't be addressed to dondelelcaro) |
| 00:58.13 | multi_io | (I thought ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US/ didn't have the link, but it appears there's no testing in debian-non-US) |
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| 00:58.26 | abrotman | certainly not for testing |
| 00:58.40 | _Atomo64_ | abortman: well, but actually what I wanted to do, is to do it in an easier way; not having to setup everything... but I think that the only other way to do it is by using a live cd |
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| 00:58.53 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: Debian doesn't have a liveCD |
| 00:58.54 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
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| 00:59.01 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 00:59.21 | multi_io | ok, so it's only ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat :) |
| 00:59.30 | pinky | Could Quake 1/2 run natively on Linux before id GPLed the engine code and unofficial source ports were made? |
| 00:59.34 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: I know, but I mean: Knoppix, and others... even k/ubuntu |
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| 01:00.04 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: your package (if made for debian) might not install on those |
| 01:00.23 | abrotman | _Atomo64_: you could also do like qemu or bochs or vmware |
| 01:00.34 | multi_io | the packages in non-us/stable won't generally be installable on a testing or unstable system, will they? |
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| 01:00.43 | abrotman | multi_io: what package? |
| 01:01.20 | Azar | hmm with etch security updates set I can't seem to get that X11 security flaw patch |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | eh? |
| 01:01.42 | multi_io | I don't know... I'm just wondering whether to include non-us/stable in my apt-sources even though I have a testing system |
| 01:01.46 | _Atomo64_ | abrotman: well, it is not a big thing, it is just a small app that can easily be compiled, but with this package it is easier to setup it; the only dependency is python2.3 |
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| 01:02.01 | Azar | Coverity Chief Technical Officer Ben Chelf said the flaw resulted from a missing parenthesis on a small piece of the program that checked the ID of the user. |
| 01:02.25 | gravity | Azar: It's in for all arches but amd64 |
| 01:02.29 | lazzarello | is it a Bad Thing to remove a partition from a raid-1 md array and mount it manually? |
| 01:02.33 | gravity | Taken care of weeks ago |
| 01:03.01 | Azar | hmm I updated to etch 3 weeks ago... maybe it was already covered |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | Azar: stop reading slashdot! |
| 01:03.17 | Azar | :) abrotman, I am not reading slashdot |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | gravity: do you know how many beers you're owed?! |
| 01:03.25 | gravity | abrotman: I could use 'em |
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| 01:03.44 | abrotman | gravity: i'd bring you a whole case of yuengling .. or Bass ... your choice :) |
| 01:03.47 | gravity | Myself and another X maintainer in town have a plan to drink heavily this weekend |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | or hooegardeden |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 01:03.50 | gravity | Bass! |
| 01:03.53 | gravity | Heh |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | another X maintainer ? |
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| 01:04.18 | abrotman | there's another X maintainer ? |
| 01:04.19 | gravity | Non-Debian |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | Ubuntu? |
| 01:04.28 | gravity | Redhat |
| 01:04.34 | abrotman | or Fedora? |
| 01:04.38 | gravity | He does more development work than I do |
| 01:04.42 | stoned | drinking on a tuesay night? |
| 01:04.47 | Azar | \0/ WiFi software stack specialist Devicescape has released its 'Advanced Datapath' 802.11 driver stack to the open source community under the GPL, and the Linux kernel developer community appears to be working to adapt it for mainline inclusion. |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | stoned: i should be |
| 01:04.52 | stoned | lol |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | it was a rough day for me |
| 01:05.03 | stoned | hey, who the fuck am I to talk, I am constantly stoned |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | first the email server stopped taking connections |
| 01:05.19 | Azar | hot coco here |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | then .. the client i was at had a serious backlog of jobs .. the job from 8am was due to start at 530pm |
| 01:05.30 | stoned | man it was a hard day for me man, I had to wake up, I had class to go to |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | THEN |
| 01:05.44 | dvs | you woke up? |
| 01:05.47 | thingfish | I just had hot cornbread and fresh home-grown asparagus cooked in butter. |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | my boss who is currently in Alaska(i'm EDT) .. calls and says "But my VPN works everywhere else .. why not here" |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | so that was while i was trying to test drive cars |
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| 01:06.15 | abrotman | so the guy was waiting like an hour while i talked someone else through the VPN process |
| 01:06.27 | thingfish | yuck |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | wait too freaking long |
| 01:06.42 | Azar | my cursor is moving alone! |
| 01:06.43 | dvs | abrotman: Then the guy changed his mind? |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | dvs: no .. he waited .. slow night i guess |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | i'd driven the car already .. but weeks ago |
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| 01:08.04 | lamby_ | stoned: what you eating this evening then? |
| 01:08.43 | abrotman | he'll be eating again soon! |
| 01:08.48 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | stupid VPN |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | actually . it's her laptop i think |
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| 01:11.45 | badtux | e ai tem alguem da impacta ai |
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| 01:11.46 | badtux | ?? |
| 01:11.54 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:11.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:11.56 | Helcio | sim |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | !tell djcabe about root |
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| 01:12.27 | abrotman | badtux Helcio and djcabe are all the same person |
| 01:12.28 | thingfish | that was br |
| 01:12.31 | thingfish | !br |
| 01:12.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:12.32 | abrotman | or same IP |
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| 01:12.50 | abrotman | so is Adrian |
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| 01:12.56 | Azar | tarzeau |
| 01:13.02 | abrotman | gravity: can you kill that IP ? |
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| 01:13.38 | luizh | fala cambada |
| 01:13.56 | Azar | nVidia Releases Free Version of Gelato Renderer \0/ |
| 01:13.57 | badtux | giropops strigus girus |
| 01:14.00 | Vania | E ai? |
| 01:14.00 | liable | hrm, i dont want to install kcontrol just to get a damn beep working |
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| 01:14.09 | liable | rima tard attack? |
| 01:14.10 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:14.11 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:14.22 | dave007 | Hi, can anyone help me with X11. I had everything going well for months, and today I decided to apt-get xfont-base and now X won't start. I'm using unstable. Also, when I try to reinstall x-window-system, I get an error saying that libsdl1.2-dev depends on libglu1-xorg-dev. Anyone know what's going on? |
| 01:14.26 | Azar | sounds like a russian name |
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| 01:14.41 | abrotman | luizh: badtux Vania adriano Helcio djcabe .. please use #debian-br |
| 01:14.48 | Helcio | valew dpkg |
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| 01:15.47 | abrotman | are the rest of them going to quit now? |
| 01:15.56 | abrotman | see .. we don't need gravity |
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| 01:16.23 | Vania | ola |
| 01:16.34 | jake | hola? |
| 01:16.37 | gravity | dave007: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 01:16.47 | Azar | Vania use #debian-br por favor |
| 01:16.53 | dave007 | gravity unstable |
| 01:17.07 | Vania | 2.6 |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | this is stupid .. there are like eight people from the same IP |
| 01:17.42 | Vania | stupid is you |
| 01:17.48 | Azar | haha |
| 01:17.48 | dvs | so pick the right person |
| 01:17.51 | Azar | :) |
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| 01:18.22 | Azar | Vania, abrotman did not said that about you |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | yes i did |
| 01:18.43 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:18.50 | Azar | aw |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | Azar: /lastlog 200.161.131.252 |
| 01:19.05 | dave007 | it also mentions that there might be something wrong with the fontpath |
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| 01:21.33 | gravity | dave007: Yeah... I think there's a bug deep in the xfont libraries that we've exposed. The server needs a patch reverted to cope I think. As for the gl issue, I don't know what's wrong with libsdl-dev |
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| 01:22.06 | abrotman | HOLY CRAP LIONS |
| 01:22.18 | dvs | That's.... ahem.... Batman |
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| 01:23.30 | dave007 | gravity so I should just wait? |
| 01:23.47 | gravity | dave007: Well, you can comment out the entire "files" section of your xorg.conf |
| 01:23.52 | gravity | dave007: That should get rid of the font errors |
| 01:23.59 | dave007 | I did, and nothing |
| 01:24.15 | gravity | dave007: Can you post your Xorg.0.log? |
| 01:24.29 | michal_ | cureless, oh well.. so much for that.. the kernel build crashed |
| 01:24.54 | michal_ | seems i'm doomed. |
| 01:25.18 | michal_ | drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.c:2563: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
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| 01:28.37 | dave007 | sorry, I missread you, wait |
| 01:29.05 | ariel | Does anyone know how to capture my current X session to any video format ? |
| 01:29.24 | gravity | dave007: I meant comment out the entire fonts section |
| 01:29.34 | litage | what's the difference between /dev/dsp and /dev/audio ? |
| 01:29.38 | gravity | dave007: From "Section Files" to "EndSection" |
| 01:29.40 | dave007 | gravity yeah, that's with commeting |
| 01:29.53 | dave007 | that's how it normally works |
| 01:30.10 | gravity | dave007: Well, I'm telling you how to change it to see if it fixes the problem |
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| 01:30.21 | dave007 | gravity replace xorg.conf with Xorg.0.log in the URL |
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| 01:30.39 | dave007 | gravity yeah, I tried commenting ALL the font related stuff in the conf file, and still nothing |
| 01:30.45 | fiendskull9 | where can i get the debian source for developing a distro? |
| 01:30.57 | gravity | dave007: Do you have xfonts-base successfully installed? |
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| 01:31.14 | dave007 | gravity yes |
| 01:31.36 | gravity | dave007: Ok, there's a workaround in wiki.debian.org for getting rid of this problem. To be honest, it hasn't been worked out fully what's going on or why |
| 01:31.50 | gravity | I can't reproduce the bug so I don't know what's causing it yet |
| 01:32.06 | dave007 | ok, I'll checkit out, thanks! |
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| 01:32.29 | abrotman | does it have to work? |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | i mean ... i can make lots of patches |
| 01:32.46 | Gumby | I'm using one mf my boxes as a media center and will be using it as a PVR also. Does anyone have any recommendation for a filesystem on a 300GB hard drive. The recorded TV shows are often 5GB + in size so the filesystem needs to be good with large files. |
| 01:32.54 | dave007 | I hate lynx!!! |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:33.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 01:33.06 | Gumby | abrotman: thx |
| 01:33.26 | liable | dave007: try links2 -g |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | the second and third are most relevant |
| 01:33.36 | pinky | What needs to be done in order to get an external USB hard drive working? |
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| 01:34.24 | abrotman | mount it |
| 01:34.58 | pinky | okay... where is the device located? |
| 01:35.01 | pinky | /dev/?? |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | use dmesg to find out |
| 01:35.45 | fiendskull9 | where would i obtain the debain source code for making a distro? |
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| 01:36.22 | gravity | wow |
| 01:36.42 | gravity | fiendskull9: It's all at ftp.debian.org |
| 01:36.47 | Anthro | I'm looking at postgresql-ruby, and it says it's a transitional package. What is it transitioning to? |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | Anthro: apt-cache show <pkg> .. should show dependencies |
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| 01:37.47 | Anthro | abrotman: It doesn't say. |
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| 01:38.40 | abrotman | Anthro: sid ? |
| 01:38.40 | romulo | how do i discover wich app is using certain module? |
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| 01:38.42 | Anthro | abrotman: Both sid and etch. |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | !depends postgresql-ruby etch |
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| 01:38.53 | joelbryan | hello, anyone can test http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport |
| 01:39.03 | gravity | wtf |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman | joelbryan: way wrong channel |
| 01:39.12 | Anthro | joelbryan: Wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
| 01:39.21 | bucky | joelbryan: it only works if you're running ubuntu.. debian is banned |
| 01:39.22 | sinisterr | what kinda bot is dpkg ? supybot? |
| 01:39.28 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:39.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:39.33 | joelbryan | ok |
| 01:39.38 | sinisterr | awe |
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| 01:40.25 | mbishop | I think he's perl heh |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | he is |
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| 01:41.28 | Gumby | !blootbot |
| 01:41.28 | dpkg | i heard blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 01:41.55 | Anthro | abrotman: so...? |
| 01:42.27 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 01:42.28 | dpkg | tetrinet is probably probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 01:42.49 | abrotman | !depends postgresql-ruby sid |
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| 01:43.23 | abrotman | Anthro: dpkg says that packages doesn't exist :) |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=postgresql-ruby |
| 01:43.47 | Anthro | abrotman: Crap, I mistyped. postgresql-plruby |
| 01:43.52 | abrotman | darn you! |
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| 01:44.29 | abrotman | !depends postgresql-plruby etch |
| 01:44.35 | dpkg | postgresql-plruby: depends on postgresql-7.4-plruby |
| 01:44.42 | abrotman | Anthro: see .. transitional |
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| 01:44.57 | Anthro | abrotman: Hrmph. 7.4 is oooooold. |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | don't yell at me .. i'm not the maintainer |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | !depends postgresql-plruby sid |
| 01:45.31 | Kovecses | hmm etch is usually up to date |
| 01:45.36 | dpkg | postgresql-plruby: depends on postgresql-7.4-plruby |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | yay .. sid is out of date too |
| 01:45.48 | Anthro | abrotman: Fair enough. |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | Anthro: well .. your mission is clear .. but the maintainer :) |
| 01:46.00 | Kovecses | sarge all the way |
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| 01:47.02 | littleball | hello, anyone from Korean here? |
| 01:47.13 | Kovecses | you mean korea? |
| 01:47.18 | littleball | yes |
| 01:47.28 | Anthro | !kr |
| 01:47.29 | dpkg | well, kr is Korea (South) |
| 01:47.36 | Anthro | Ah, no channel. |
| 01:47.58 | littleball | !kr |
| 01:47.58 | dpkg | from memory, kr is Korea (South) |
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| 01:48.45 | abrotman | Anthro: s/but/bug/ :) |
| 01:48.47 | abrotman | doh! |
| 01:50.43 | Kovecses | dull in here tonight |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:50.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:50.49 | abrotman | better? |
| 01:51.10 | Kovecses | yes thanks |
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| 01:52.17 | Kovecses | i have an old sarge cd.... if i install and run apt-get dist-upgrade it will get all the security updates right? |
| 01:52.34 | Kovecses | noob question |
| 01:53.00 | Azar | Kovecses: no need but start using aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 01:53.24 | some_dude | hi I can't find my wine config |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | Kovecses: no need to use dist-upgrade .. or rather .. shouldn't be |
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| 01:53.45 | Kovecses | abrotman, i know there are security updates |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | some_dude: ls ~/.wine* ? |
| 01:53.52 | Azar | Kovecses: aptitude update / aptitude upgrade is enough |
| 01:54.05 | Kovecses | ty |
| 01:54.19 | Gumby | Azar: why aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 01:54.24 | some_dude | yea, it's not there |
| 01:54.27 | Servo888 | Anybody know what package provides qmake? apt-cache search didn't give me anything usefull. |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | some_dude: did you run the wine config tool ? |
| 01:54.46 | Azar | Gumby: I prefer aptitude because it is a bit enhanced with respect to dependencies |
| 01:54.58 | Gumby | Servo888: install apt-file, then apt-file update, then apt-file search qmake |
| 01:55.02 | some_dude | abrotman no, what's it called ? |
| 01:55.06 | liable | hrm, why is connect dropping me off freenode.. |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | winecfg . or something |
| 01:55.25 | some_dude | yea, I don't see it |
| 01:55.35 | Azar | liable: one of my boxes gets dropped without reason as well, I suspect irc application bug |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | some_dude: type wine<tab><tab> .. find it |
| 01:56.21 | liable | Azar: oh, no I meant when i try /connect to another server, it shouldnt drop the other servers. |
| 01:56.32 | some_dude | yea, I did |
| 01:56.39 | Azar | liable: ah |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | some_dude: have you even installed wine ? |
| 01:57.02 | Kovecses | brb gonna do a sarge install |
| 01:57.16 | some_dude | I've got wine, wine-auto, wine-sare, winebrowser, wineconsole, woneshelllink, wineprefixcreate |
| 01:57.19 | some_dude | but no winecfg |
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| 01:58.07 | Azar | since they think to redo the Sarge installer my newb question is: why do they keep 2.4 kernel on it? why not 2.6 as default? |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | Azar: because .. 2.6 is a pile of crap |
| 01:58.30 | some_dude | I'm trying to change my OS version, but with no wine config |
| 01:58.32 | Kovecses | they redid the installer |
| 01:58.39 | abrotman | it makes babies cry |
| 01:58.42 | abrotman | !find bin/winecfg sarge |
| 01:58.42 | Azar | :) I am sure you are right, abrotman |
| 01:58.45 | jacopaco | some_dude, try wine-utils |
| 01:58.47 | Kovecses | abrotman, a lot more bloat thats for sure |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | Azar: no ... i'm not .. but you're asking a stupid question :) |
| 01:58.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/winecfg' (1): (/usr/bin/winecfg) in otherosfs/wine-utils. |
| 01:58.57 | chealer9 | Azar: who's they, and since when does it think to redo the Sarge installer? |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | Azar: at the time .. 2.4 was considered more stable |
| 01:59.16 | Azar | chealer9: latest debian news |
| 01:59.34 | abrotman | Azar: they didn't redo the installer |
| 01:59.37 | Azar | chealer9: 3.1r3 |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | r2 |
| 01:59.56 | Kovecses | r3? |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | and they didn't update the installer |
| 02:00.02 | Zaze4 | zzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 02:00.04 | Zaze4 | bye |
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| 02:00.16 | Azar | Kovecses: take it easy is still Debian Sarge with minor modifications |
| 02:00.19 | chealer9 | abrotman: d-i will be rebuilt for 3.1r3 |
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| 02:00.35 | abrotman | chealer9: no .. for the -3- kernel updates .. that's what the DWN is referring to |
| 02:00.46 | chealer9 | Azar: nobody wants to "redo" the installer. it needs to be rebuilt |
| 02:00.59 | Kovecses | Azar, i was not taking it easy? |
| 02:00.59 | Azar | chealer9: sorry my poor wording |
| 02:01.17 | abrotman | chealer9: it just so happens they'll be incorporated into r3 |
| 02:01.24 | abrotman | well . hopefully :) |
| 02:01.28 | Azar | Kovecses: it goes like this: no matter what version of 3.1 you install the updates will keep you on top |
| 02:01.39 | Kovecses | Azar, thats what i thought |
| 02:01.52 | chealer9 | abrotman: I know...I guess you misunderstand me :) |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | chealer9: no .. i don't |
| 02:02.16 | Azar | well guys I am sure you all have read the news |
| 02:02.25 | Kovecses | ok brb install time |
| 02:02.34 | Kovecses | what news? |
| 02:02.35 | abrotman | chealer9: the -3- kernels came out a while ago .. the problem being the ABI change .. |
| 02:02.36 | Azar | tarzeau ... |
| 02:02.41 | chealer9 | abrotman: well, I'm not sure what you're talking about then. Azar is talking about r2, not r3 |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | chealer9: no .. he's not |
| 02:02.54 | chealer9 | abrotman: uh, r3, not r2 |
| 02:02.55 | Azar | :) |
| 02:02.57 | abrotman | chealer9: he's talking about r3 |
| 02:03.07 | chealer9 | abrotman: I know, but you said r2 |
| 02:03.10 | abrotman | chealer9: the kernels in sarge are now -3- .. a new ABI version |
| 02:03.26 | Kovecses | ok so if I downloaded sarge when it was made stable I Do Not have to redownload? .... I cant do fedora |
| 02:03.34 | eric_ | anyone knows an application that allows to raise/decrease volume on the command line (with alsa), for example APPLICATION -raise would raise the volume and APPLICATION -decrease would decrease the volume ? |
| 02:03.35 | Kovecses | need to go back |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | chealer9: stupid keyboard .. i meant r3 .. but they haven't updated the installer yet |
| 02:03.48 | Kovecses | eric_, alsamixer |
| 02:03.53 | eric_ | ok thx |
| 02:03.57 | chealer9 | abrotman: ah, you too :) so OK, I guess we agree now |
| 02:04.06 | Azar | Kovecses: no, you download, install it nice, then once in a while you type : aptitude update then aptitude upgrade and you stay in top |
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| 02:04.20 | abrotman | chealer9: the problem being that -3- makes a kernel ABI change |
| 02:04.23 | Kovecses | Azar, just nm ... you dont get it |
| 02:04.27 | some_dude | hot damn, it's working |
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| 02:04.43 | chealer9 | abrotman: yeah...I'm aware of the issue |
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| 02:04.58 | chealer9 | abrotman: BTW, who won about Linux 2.4? |
| 02:05.01 | chealer9 | :-P |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | chealer9: i always win! |
| 02:05.23 | chealer9 | !lose abrotman |
| 02:05.23 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | s/lose/loose |
| 02:05.53 | Kovecses | 2.6 is way better |
| 02:05.57 | Kovecses | no question |
| 02:06.05 | Kovecses | but 2.4 has less bloat |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | at the time .. 2.4 was considered more stable |
| 02:06.31 | Kovecses | key words "at the time" |
| 02:06.33 | chealer9 | I guess 2.4 is still considered more stable... |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | Kovecses: no shit .. sarge was released almost a year ago .. |
| 02:07.06 | Kovecses | abrotman, easy killer |
| 02:07.25 | some_dude | I'm going to install Ie 7 under wine |
| 02:07.41 | Kovecses | why not just use windows |
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| 02:07.44 | Kovecses | you bastard |
| 02:07.48 | abrotman | Kovecses: well . "at the time" is pretty important conssidering how debian/stable works |
| 02:07.53 | some_dude | IE 7 on windows is not safe |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | or bochs |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | or qemu |
| 02:08.11 | some_dude | I need Ie 5 for an app I've got, so why the hell not try 7 ? |
| 02:08.22 | Kovecses | some_dude, what app? |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | why not fix the app |
| 02:08.28 | chealer9 | Kovecses: it was obvious that Etch's default kernel would be 2.6, but not too long ago it was still uncertain whether 2.4 would be an alternative in Etch |
| 02:08.46 | Kovecses | chealer9, yes i know |
| 02:09.01 | some_dude | NDC Lytec 2006 |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | chealer9: it helps when the deiban-kenrel team abandons 2.4 :) |
| 02:09.17 | Kovecses | !kernel war |
| 02:09.22 | some_dude | but IE 7 died |
| 02:09.28 | chealer9 | abrotman: yep. I think the plan is to wait until close to the freeze though |
| 02:09.32 | Kovecses | what app some_dude |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | chealer9: they should still be packaging it |
| 02:09.39 | some_dude | NDC Lytec 2006 |
| 02:09.47 | Kovecses | what is that?> |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | chealer9: but make 2.6 the default .. and allow an option for 2.4 |
| 02:09.49 | chealer9 | of course, that's getting so soon now that it won't make much difference |
| 02:09.54 | chealer9 | abrotman: hahaha |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | chealer9: some things still work better on 2.4 |
| 02:10.12 | chealer9 | Kovecses: well, the important thing to know is that abrotman is among the losers of that debate :-P |
| 02:10.29 | chealer9 | abrotman: of course...that will never change |
| 02:10.43 | abrotman | chealer9: which debate? |
| 02:10.52 | chealer9 | abrotman: Linux 2.4's inclusion in Etch |
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| 02:10.55 | abrotman | chealer9: that 2.4 should be in etch? |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | it absolutely should be |
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| 02:11.05 | abrotman | not everyone has cool new hardware |
| 02:11.06 | Kovecses | OK OK.... brb gotta install lol |
| 02:11.10 | systemofadown | anyone here use libferris? |
| 02:11.10 | chealer9 | abrotman: hahah :-P |
| 02:11.16 | Kovecses | abrotman, very true |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | though .. the fact that isapnptools is now dead .. may make the entire thing mooot |
| 02:11.21 | Kovecses | abrotman, very very true |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | !info isapnptools etch |
| 02:11.44 | chealer9 | abrotman: go fork your own OpenDebian :-P |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:11.55 | Kovecses | debian is open |
| 02:12.07 | zu22 | anyone know of a debian package that will setup a good firewall for ppp dialup? be nice to have an intuitive config (maybe gui frontend) that will let me quickly allow/reject various traffic such as web/irc/ftp/gaim/random port etc.. |
| 02:12.08 | Kovecses | more like |
| 02:12.09 | chealer9 | Kovecses: but not as old as OpenBSD! |
| 02:12.12 | Kovecses | Debrotman |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | chealer9: i could take isapnptools and kernel-2.4 if i wanted to |
| 02:12.14 | wzup | !debootstrap |
| 02:12.14 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | chealer9: as could any of them |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | erm .. anyone |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | !info isapnptools etch |
| 02:12.43 | wzup | wtf is debootstrap? |
| 02:13.08 | stew | !debwiki wzup Debootstrap |
| 02:13.08 | dpkg | wzup: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 02:13.08 | chealer9 | abrotman: yeah. you'd just have to do Linux security support on your own (for 3 years?) |
| 02:13.17 | Kovecses | ok back in 15 |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | chealer9: no .. i wouldn't |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | chealer9: the security team didn't abandon it .. the kernel team did |
| 02:13.43 | abrotman | wzup: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap |
| 02:14.02 | chealer9 | abrotman: the kernel team didn't abandon 2.4. there wouldn't be security updates if they did |
| 02:14.07 | dondelelcaro | chealer9: actually, Debian is older than OpenBSD... |
| 02:14.35 | chealer9 | dondelelcaro: OK, would the term be "ancient" then? |
| 02:14.49 | abrotman | chealer9: IIRC .. the kernel team dropped it .. and the security team does the updates |
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| 02:15.35 | chealer9 | abrotman: not at all. horms does most of linux 2.4's security job |
| 02:15.47 | chealer9 | he uploaded the ABI-breaking update |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | still need a damn 2.4 ! :) |
| 02:16.12 | zu22 | guess not :P |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | seems like it would be something easy to add |
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| 02:16.24 | abrotman | zu22: iptables? :) |
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| 02:17.10 | abrotman | chealer9: i just think it's important to have an alternative |
| 02:17.29 | zu22 | abrotman: somehow i knew someone would say that :P |
| 02:17.47 | chealer9 | abrotman: bah. I wouldn't consider Debian serious if linux 2.4 was released in Etch |
| 02:17.47 | zu22 | abrotman: i should just bite the bullet and become initiated in the ways of Snort :) |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | chealer9: good .. now go read slashdot :) |
| 02:18.22 | nile | lol |
| 02:18.28 | zu22 | haha |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | chealer9: there should be an alternative .. what if 2.6 doesn't work? |
| 02:18.38 | chealer9 | abrotman: unless of course, the security team grows by >= 2.4 since the release |
| 02:18.39 | abrotman | zu22: snort ? |
| 02:18.51 | chealer9 | s/since/until |
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| 02:19.01 | lakcaj | I had a machine that wouldn't install with the 2.6 kernel, but would with the 2.4 and we were able to upgrade to a 2.6 series kernel after install. |
| 02:19.16 | warnk | should my /var/qmail/queue by 279M? or more specifically, should my queue/mess be 275M? |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | zu22: i know what snort is .. i'm not sure how it will help you |
| 02:19.41 | zu22 | abrotman: i heard snort had a firewall module you could drop in |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | warnk: are you emailing yourself wank? :) |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | zu22: if you say so .. but i don't know why it would |
| 02:20.39 | chealer9 | abrotman: what if required package foo version bar doesn't work? of course, it's a pain if the only kernel won't work on your hardware. but then you could use sarge for a while, then etch+1's kernels, maybe |
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| 02:21.01 | dondelelcaro | warnk: that's really only something that you can answer... |
| 02:21.05 | warnk | abrotman: it looks like a lot of the messages are errors to postmaster |
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| 02:21.25 | abrotman | warnk: those are supposed to go to someone real |
| 02:21.29 | chealer9 | abrotman: in the latest bits from RMs aba suggests 2.6.16 for Etch. which means the stability of the kernel is taken seriously |
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| 02:21.50 | warnk | abrotman: why would those be sticking in the queue though? maybe no postmaster acct? |
| 02:21.56 | nile | warnk, do you have anything in /etc/aliases? |
| 02:22.08 | chealer9 | abrotman: (considering that 2.6.16 is already in unstable and the kernel is expected to freeze in july IIRC) |
| 02:22.21 | abrotman | chealer9: i'm not arguing the stability of 2.6 you silly canuck .. i'm saying there should be an alternative .. |
| 02:22.36 | shogunx | msg dpkg xorg sid |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | no? |
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| 02:22.43 | shogunx | sorry |
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| 02:23.44 | chealer9 | abrotman: I told you about the alternatives. but we shouldn't make efforts to get alternatives, we should make efforts so that Linux works everywhere |
| 02:23.54 | tabris|away | anybody know why sarge updated libc6 package ? I didn't see a post for it on the security list. |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | chealer9: good .. can you make it work with my airport extreme? |
| 02:24.18 | chealer9 | tabris|away: if it did, check the changelog |
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| 02:24.30 | chealer9 | abrotman: I don't know what's that |
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| 02:24.37 | abrotman | chealer9: 2.6 doesn't work on all hardware 2.4 does |
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| 02:24.59 | mehhhh | anyone able to tell me how to remove an ldap attributes value? |
| 02:25.00 | chealer9 | abrotman: obviously, just like 2.4 doesn't work on all hardware 2.2 does |
| 02:25.04 | warnk | nile: yeah, postmaster is there, but looking at the messages in the mess folders, it looks like somewhere in there they are going to anonymous@blah.com |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | chealer9: and our kernel packagers aren't infailable .. they may make a kernel that doesn't boot on a standard machine |
| 02:25.13 | systemofadown | abrotman: what about a airport extreme (note: <--- is a mac geek |
| 02:25.15 | chealer9 | abrotman: heh |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | chealer9: no kidding .. thank you for proving my point |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | chealer9: i expect you'll be packaging the 2.4 how :) |
| 02:25.34 | abrotman | now |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | stupid keyboard! |
| 02:25.50 | chealer9 | abrotman: I'm not proving your point though. Linux 2.2 won't release in Etch |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | systemofadown: i was joking .. last i heard .. there is almost no hope of making it work |
| 02:26.02 | seb- | abrotman: i like what someone said here recently....apt is the crown jewel of linux |
| 02:26.03 | abrotman | chealer9: but 2.4 should! |
| 02:26.18 | abrotman | seb-: libapt? |
| 02:26.28 | chealer9 | abrotman: pff. are you just making me talk or what? |
| 02:26.29 | seb- | abrotman: apt-get and friends |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | chealer9: i don't have to make you .. you just do :) |
| 02:26.33 | chealer9 | anyway, I'm stopping here. |
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| 02:26.45 | andres2 | hi |
| 02:26.52 | chealer9 | abrotman: if you're just making me talk, you really succeeded |
| 02:26.57 | seb- | abrotman: once you read a ton of docs on apt it really makes a lot of sense |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | chealer9: it's not up to you or me .. so .. it really doesn't matter |
| 02:27.20 | chealer9 | abrotman: mostly, it's already decided :) |
| 02:27.21 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I suck! |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: comcast does! |
| 02:27.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Why? |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | chealer9: no .. i mean .. our little debate will have absolutely no influence |
| 02:27.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you dropped a few times |
| 02:27.50 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Oh that was me. :D |
| 02:28.02 | nile | when installing Debian on my laptop with the netinst iso and the 2.6 kernel, the FAN doesn't work.. at all. |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: btw .. can you make your second login .. scarynetforkguy ? |
| 02:28.12 | chealer9 | abrotman: that's obvious too |
| 02:28.28 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: It's already sng. |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you came back as scarynet1orkguy |
| 02:28.46 | systemofadown | abrotman: my netgear wap and my airport in powerbook don't liek each other |
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| 02:28.56 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah yeah. I just noticed what you're on about. Bitch. |
| 02:29.02 | tabris|away | chealer9: the changelog marks it as urgency=low, and says it's just some timezone stuff. |
| 02:29.05 | chealer9 | abrotman: BTW, if you were just kidding me, I'd be really glad to know, because I'll have to adjust my humor detection |
| 02:29.13 | tabris|away | chealer9: I am not amused for it wanting me to upgrade this... |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | chealer9: joking about what? including 2.4? |
| 02:29.33 | chealer9 | tabris|away: are you referring 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3? |
| 02:29.36 | chealer9 | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:29.37 | tabris|away | chealer9: yeah. |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | chealer9: no .. i'm not .. i think there should certainly be a 2.4 in etch when etch releases |
| 02:30.10 | tabris|away | chealer9: I'm trying to avoid having to reboot, and I know that although it is theoretically possible to upgrade libc w/o rebooting, I also know how difficult it can be, and all the freak problems that can occur. |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i'mtelling the pizza girl! |
| 02:30.21 | chealer9 | abrotman: OK, I'm reassured for my side :) thanks |
| 02:30.28 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yay! |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | chealer9: why? .. i think it belongs in the release .. but i don't do the packaging .. so my opinion is worth as much as a car with a tail |
| 02:31.24 | chealer9 | abrotman: OK. but let's stop it here as we agreed |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | chealer9: no we didn't |
| 02:31.50 | thingfish | you guys are hilarious. |
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| 02:32.05 | abrotman | thingfish: drink more .. it will turn into a movie before you know it |
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| 02:32.21 | chealer9 | abrotman: well, you agreed that our little debate wouldn't have any influence after I said I was stopping, so I'm stopping anyway |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:32.36 | thingfish | abrotman: oh it's plenty entertaining enough already. |
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| 02:33.08 | abrotman | thingfish: would it help if i wore an umbrella hat .. and chealer dressed as a beaver? |
| 02:33.26 | chealer9 | thingfish: you're missing the point. abrotman and me are influential Debian heads. whoever wins will decide if your machine will work with Etch! |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | chealer9: i'm betting it won't anyways :) |
| 02:34.20 | chealer9 | abrotman: see, we agree in the end :) |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | but you won't have an option for another kernel! |
| 02:34.49 | stew | there is practically no chance that the installer will have 2.4 kernel, that's for sure |
| 02:34.57 | abrotman | yeah .. i know |
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| 02:36.48 | chealer9 | tabris|away: I really don't thing the libc upgrade will require anything else than the restarts that *might* be in the package maintainance scripts |
| 02:36.55 | chealer9 | s/thing/think |
| 02:37.13 | tabris|away | chealer9: I'd like to think that, but for the worry that the actual binary image changed. if it didn't, I'm fine. if it did... |
| 02:37.21 | tabris|away | (binary image of the .a or .so) |
| 02:37.54 | chealer9 | tabris|away: about the reasons, you won't find them in DSAs since they're not security updates. the changelog is the good place to look |
| 02:38.34 | chealer9 | tabris|away: unfortunately, I'm too clueless to reassure you technically |
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| 02:42.25 | xerophyte | purge ok installed ?? what is this status means |
| 02:42.59 | Serinity | Hi everyone, in a documentation, i seen i have o recompile my kernel with those options: CONFIG_TUN, CONFIG_BRIDGE and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP... How may i check if my kernel would already have thise enabled and if not, how may i know what this matches to in make menuconfig ? |
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| 02:43.56 | travisat | Serinity: just set them to true in .config |
| 02:44.21 | Serinity | hum, ok, so no real way through make menuconfig |
| 02:44.23 | Serinity | ok, thanks |
| 02:44.29 | travisat | well yes there is |
| 02:44.52 | dondelelcaro | Serinity: you just have to know where those options are defined in the menu config and set them there. |
| 02:44.54 | travisat | the easiest way would be to google to see where in menuconfig the options are |
| 02:45.09 | dondelelcaro | Serinity: LOOP is in block devices, the other two are in network devices |
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| 02:46.07 | Serinity | ok, thanks, they are all set as modules |
| 02:46.10 | shogunx | abrotman whats the bot string for the xf86 to xorg factiod? |
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| 02:46.26 | Serinity | how can i for sure make the link between those names and module filenames ? |
| 02:46.28 | travisat | !xorg? |
| 02:46.29 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | shogunx: eh? .. apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 02:46.37 | Serinity | ... so i can insmod |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 02:47.19 | shogunx | abrotman not that one... hold on. |
| 02:48.09 | Serinity | abrotman, yes, but i will first need to know what namhavee they |
| 02:48.14 | Serinity | oops |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | shogunx: yeah .. realasdfasdfasdf |
| 02:48.32 | Serinity | abrotman, yes, but i will first need to know what name they have |
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| 02:48.37 | Serinity | sorry |
| 02:48.51 | abrotman | Serinity: erm .. ok |
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| 02:50.51 | abrotman | gravity: fix X! |
| 02:51.01 | gravity | abrotman: Which part? |
| 02:51.07 | abrotman | the broken part |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | gravity: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has been customized |
| 02:51.29 | hernan | Good evening! |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | gravity: just a dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 02:51.51 | mehhhh | anyone abel to tell me, i'm using freeradius and ldap, The Cisco-AVPair attribute is only returning one line, however there are two lines in the mapped attribute in ldap however it only returns one of them |
| 02:52.03 | gravity | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure of that is broken if you've customized it right now. You have to keep doing hand customizations |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | gravity: awesome! |
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| 02:52.19 | gravity | You know it |
| 02:52.26 | gravity | Everything is broken |
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| 02:52.38 | abrotman | gravity: i'm taking one beer from the case of Bass for this offense! |
| 02:52.44 | gravity | Awww |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | gravity: you still get 23 :) |
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| 02:52.56 | gravity | God... I still have homework to do |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | homework? |
| 02:53.03 | litage | is linux's EOL character \n, while windows uses \r\n ? |
| 02:53.06 | gravity | Yep |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | aren't you PhD? |
| 02:53.10 | gravity | Yep |
| 02:53.11 | dondelelcaro | gravity: you're a grad student... why the homework? ;-) |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | and you have .. like homework ? |
| 02:53.18 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Journal club |
| 02:53.22 | dondelelcaro | (as if I didn't get homework too...) |
| 02:53.25 | dondelelcaro | gravity: ugh |
| 02:53.26 | gravity | Right :-) |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | systemofadown: have you seen robotfindskitten ? |
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| 02:54.23 | abrotman | or briquolo |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: briquolo kicks butt! |
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| 02:54.58 | systemofadown | abrotman: is it anything like your momma? |
| 02:55.05 | abrotman | systemofadown: i'm serious |
| 02:55.16 | abrotman | my mom is not a game .. she's serious business ... |
| 02:55.18 | systemofadown | no |
| 02:55.26 | moson | i am having this msg "error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slusb0': No such file or directory" eventhough the device is listed in /dev. why? |
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| 02:57.27 | Alucard | is there a better way to update my dyn dns service than blindly vis a cron job? specifically I was thinking something that ran every time "the internet" came back, to put it technically |
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| 02:57.34 | Alucard | via, rather |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | !ddns |
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| 02:57.49 | abrotman | there's a package that does it |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | !dyndns |
| 02:57.54 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
| 02:57.55 | moson | wrong time to come in with my nickname when momma is being mentioned. no mischief fr my partm, for sure. |
| 02:58.00 | dondelelcaro | Alucard: you can run it in hooks from your ifup/down |
| 02:58.23 | moson | systemofadown: leave abrotman's momma alone. |
| 02:58.23 | Alucard | dondelelcaro - do those work even on a cable connection? |
| 02:59.00 | Alucard | or rather, an ethernet card |
| 02:59.17 | dondelelcaro | Alucard: that depends; generally you won't know if the cable modem goes up and down or switches ips. The easiest way is to check whatismyip or similar from time to time, and then update your dyndns if things have changed |
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| 02:59.58 | Alucard | so I guess the best way is with a cron job |
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| 03:00.08 | atrus | is there any way to have ssh call ssh-add (or ideally, ssh-askpass-fullscreen | ssh-add) on demand, when a key is required to connect to a server? |
| 03:01.04 | moson | no one know why i am getting this msg "error: mdm setup: cannot stat `/dev/slusb0': No such file or directory" eventhough the device is listed in /dev? |
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| 03:04.11 | kevix | hi folks, I run sid, wanted to try cinepaint 0.20-1, when I run it, it sigfpe, nothing in bts about it. anyone running it? |
| 03:04.29 | systemofadown | kevix: is this from source? |
| 03:04.35 | pilgrim | Anyone running openldap (slapd)? |
| 03:04.39 | kevix | systemofadown: no, from sid repo. |
| 03:05.03 | systemofadown | do yuo know how to use gdb? |
| 03:05.22 | kevix | systemofadown: a little. |
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| 03:06.37 | systemofadown | run the program with gdb and tell me the error details |
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| 03:06.44 | kevix | systemofadown: I just did: gdb cinepaint; run;... |
| 03:06.57 | moson | is mine a difficult problem or is the standard of this channel too low? |
| 03:07.09 | kevix | systemofadown: Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. |
| 03:07.10 | kevix | 0xb7e60c06 in gtk_text_freeze () from /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 |
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| 03:07.25 | systemofadown | reinstall gtk? |
| 03:07.48 | kevix | systemofadown: ok. can do. gtk-1.2? |
| 03:07.52 | gravity | kevix: You probably want the gtk debugging symbols |
| 03:07.58 | systemofadown | kevix: yep |
| 03:08.38 | systemofadown | wondering why gtk is causing a fp error |
| 03:09.00 | moson | whole bunch of idiots here. all of u GFY. |
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| 03:09.13 | kevix | systemofadown: install: libgtk1.2-dbg - Debugging files for the GIMP Toolkit |
| 03:09.38 | systemofadown | yeah that sounds good |
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| 03:10.14 | De_Mon | why does gallery2 REQUIRE mysql but recomend postgresql? |
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| 03:10.46 | kevix | systemofadown: does that mean I have to recompile cinepaint from source with the -dbg and then run gdb? or what? |
| 03:10.46 | De_Mon | does it want to use both database servers? |
| 03:10.49 | systemofadown | De_Mon: you realize that last statement makes no sense |
| 03:11.04 | De_Mon | systemofadown yeah, exactly: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/gallery2 |
| 03:11.06 | gravity | kevix: You should just be able to run it again |
| 03:11.15 | gravity | kevix: gdb should load the gtk debugging symbols and give you more info |
| 03:11.19 | systemofadown | kevix: i don't think so |
| 03:11.23 | eric_ | I got a problem with Eterm, the internet documentation reports the option --menubar to enable/disable the menubar in Eterm, however when I start Eterm with --menubar option it says option is unrecognized.. any pointer on how to hide the menubar of an Eterm ? |
| 03:11.44 | kevix | gravity: systemofadown: ok.thanks. |
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| 03:13.53 | De_Mon | ho, gallery2 is having a field day on the bug tracker |
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| 03:18.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 03:18.04 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 03:18.12 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah? |
| 03:18.39 | tarzeau | Azar: man it's 5 am in the morning. i just woke up to write the lyrics down of this nice song in the radio so i can find it now in limewire |
| 03:19.09 | kevix | gravity: http://debian.home.pipeline.com/gravity.png |
| 03:19.13 | kevix | gravity: http://debian.home.pipeline.com/gravity.jpg |
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| 03:19.34 | kevix | tarzeau: arg! a pirate! |
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| 03:19.40 | pilgrim | How do I get slapd 2.3? |
| 03:19.49 | tarzeau | kevix: bah |
| 03:19.51 | pilgrim | I know it's not in stable |
| 03:20.06 | gravity | kevix: Heh, well my girlfriend looks cute at least :-) |
| 03:20.18 | gravity | I just look stoned... ON BELGIAN BEER |
| 03:20.26 | gravity | kevix: Thank you :-) |
| 03:20.38 | kevix | gravity: heh. |
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| 03:25.49 | kevix | systemofadown: I install the -dbg and ran 'gdb cinepaint' but I got the same sequence(no debug symbols) with the same error. Am I suppose to type anything different? |
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| 03:30.13 | michal_ | god dammit.. no kernels build on this damn pc. i wonder if unstable is just currently incapable of building a kernel |
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| 03:31.05 | kevix | michal_: most likely the gcc version? |
| 03:31.18 | michal_ | 4.1 i believe |
| 03:31.30 | michal_ | gcc version 4.0.4 20060422 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-2) |
| 03:31.32 | michal_ | not quite |
| 03:31.38 | kevix | michal_: do you have a 3.x version? |
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| 03:31.55 | michal_ | doesn't seem like it |
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| 03:32.36 | michal_ | what version do i want for building the kernel? |
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| 03:33.09 | plasmoduck | I need some help using "Bins" the gallery program |
| 03:33.12 | chealer9 | michal_: any one? |
| 03:33.18 | plasmoduck | how do I set it up? |
| 03:33.21 | Serinity | rm: cannot remove directory `VirtuaDebian//install': Device or resource busy <=== I had a look at lsof but nothign matches to this... any idea ? |
| 03:33.38 | michal_ | chealer9, well it's impossible to build any kernel i've tried to build with the one i have.. always segfaults |
| 03:33.43 | michal_ | gcc does |
| 03:33.46 | michal_ | while building |
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| 03:34.11 | chealer9 | michal_: always segfaults in the same way? (e.g. no RAM issue) |
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| 03:34.12 | peterS | michal_: see http://bitwizard.nl/sig11 for info on that, it's actually quite likely to be a hardware problem |
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| 03:34.28 | rafli | hello |
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| 03:34.43 | michal_ | well this hardware seems to work for months at a time with a high load and high memory usage :/ |
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| 03:34.53 | michal_ | and it has built many kernels in the past |
| 03:35.00 | peterS | yes, well. gcc stresses memory integrity a lot more heavily than most things do |
| 03:35.08 | michal_ | seems very unlikely to me to be a hardware issue :/ |
| 03:35.19 | michal_ | peterS, much more than video editing? |
| 03:35.21 | peterS | i.e., it _notices_ if you get a bit flipped here or there, lots of things don't usually notice |
| 03:35.34 | peterS | video editing, a black pixel turns blue, you wouldn't notice |
| 03:35.34 | michal_ | and encoding |
| 03:35.56 | chealer9 | michal_: well, if you're sure it's not your RAM, then we can't help you with a problem as vague as a segfault |
| 03:36.20 | peterS | encoding might be dicier, but many video encodings are designed with a certain amount of redundancy to account for packet loss while streaming |
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| 03:36.43 | rafli | hai |
| 03:36.53 | rafli | gimana dong cara joinnya |
| 03:37.19 | rafli | kai raina |
| 03:37.35 | rafli | how are you |
| 03:37.35 | dpkg | just great, rafli |
| 03:37.48 | michal_ | is there anythign other than gcc compiling that i could use to test my system? without rebooting it |
| 03:37.50 | Boukensya | hey guys, I have a mail server (for sending mail) and I installed spamassassin/amavis-new and email has stopped sending. I removed those programs but it still isn't sending |
| 03:37.54 | rafli | in indonesia |
| 03:38.24 | Kinks | I'm not whoever 'raina' is on this network, nor am I quite sure why my nick was set to that... |
| 03:38.27 | peterS | michal_: start by using gcc to run the same build process multiple times and see if it crashes in the same place each time. if it does, it's probably not a memory glitch after all |
| 03:38.48 | peterS | Kinks is the Raina Man |
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| 03:39.01 | michal_ | peterS, ok. that did occur to me just as you were saying it :P |
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| 03:39.35 | peterS | michal_: well, unless there's one source file that's hugely complex and the rest are not, and it always dies on the complex one. that wouldn't prove much |
| 03:39.43 | Kinks | nah, I just remembered I went on a friend's nick to set their vhost to something naughty on another network |
| 03:40.29 | michal_ | oh this seems really bad :/ |
| 03:40.40 | michal_ | it continued further this time |
| 03:40.43 | nile | michal_, something catch on fire? ;) |
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| 03:41.42 | michal_ | wait.. this is bad |
| 03:41.49 | michal_ | i was misreading my log before |
| 03:42.00 | michal_ | i thought that a certain error was coming from another machine |
| 03:42.07 | peterS | haha |
| 03:42.11 | Boukensya | I check the syslog and I can't see any significant error |
| 03:42.12 | Boukensya | s |
| 03:42.44 | tarzeau | crap i can't play wma? |
| 03:42.45 | michal_ | this supports the bad memory hypothesis.. i will run memtest86+ again.. |
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| 03:43.18 | michal_ | bbl |
| 03:43.21 | michal_ | gotta reboot the machine |
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| 03:43.53 | nile | has anyone ever found errors with memtest? I run it on the flakiest hardware and get nothing |
| 03:44.06 | vulture | nile: I have |
| 03:44.16 | vulture | Might be something else that's flakey - power supply? |
| 03:44.18 | nile | hm, good to know :) |
| 03:44.21 | vulture | What exactly does it flake on? |
| 03:44.23 | zinx | nile: on hardware with flakey memory, flakey processor, or flakey motherboard, yes. |
| 03:44.37 | vulture | Well it wasn't so good to know when I had to replace 256MB of RAM (this was a couple of years ago now when that was worth something) |
| 03:44.43 | zinx | nile: find lots of errors frequently |
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| 03:46.32 | Boukensya | how would I track down why emails are not sending? |
| 03:46.44 | nile | Boukensya, what mta do you use? |
| 03:46.58 | Boukensya | postfix |
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| 03:47.43 | nile | Boukensya, which logs have you checked already? |
| 03:47.55 | Boukensya | /var/log/mail* and /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:48.11 | nile | Boukensya, they don't help at all? |
| 03:48.57 | Boukensya | May 3 06:29:37 hosting02 postfix/anvil[22639]: statistics: max connection rate |
| 03:48.57 | Boukensya | 1/60s for (smtp:141.168.113.132) at May 3 06:26:17 --- thats the only thing that looks sus |
| 03:49.14 | Boukensya | wait disregaurd that |
| 03:49.20 | Boukensya | that was the top of the log |
| 03:49.21 | Boukensya | sorry |
| 03:49.58 | Boukensya | no, it looks like it queus fine |
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| 03:50.58 | nile | Boukensya, I don't know what your set up is, but if it's a personal mail server running on a residential ISP account, your ISP might block it |
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| 03:51.55 | Boukensya | it was working, plus it isn't a personal mail server, it didn't start doing this until I put spamassassin on and amavis |
| 03:52.02 | nile | that's what happened to me earlier this year - bellsouth sealed off outbound connections to tcp port 25. I fixed the issue by reconfiguring exim to be a smarthost |
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| 03:52.38 | nile | sorry, I don't have any experience with spamassassin or amavis |
| 03:52.59 | Boukensya | I removed them both now but it must of updated something ): |
| 03:53.16 | nile | did you purge the packages when you removed them? |
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| 03:54.58 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:55.27 | Boukensya | nile, no I didn't, should I? |
| 03:55.31 | Boukensya | is that just with a -p? |
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| 03:55.36 | Boukensya | or --purge? |
| 03:57.04 | grendal_prime | nile is there something ineed to do to allow machines to use the jabber server? |
| 03:57.44 | grendal_prime | i can access it from local host, but thats it |
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| 04:00.07 | SerajewelKS | k3b doesn't seem to want to create a DVD project larger than 4gb, even though i'm only making an ISO to be burned on a dual-layer disc. is there any way around this? |
| 04:00.15 | jair | hello guys, |
| 04:00.25 | SerajewelKS | nevermind, i am blind |
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| 04:00.52 | SerajewelKS | er no i'm not. even after changing the disc size to 8gb, it fails with "cannot add files larger than 4gb". |
| 04:01.00 | jair | it is anyone here familiar with HP UX operating system I am sure that we arte Linux GNU but this is an administrator GNU/linux trying to deal with some HPUX problems |
| 04:01.27 | SerajewelKS | jair: the "HP/UX operating system" is unix |
| 04:01.31 | atrus | grendal_prime: which jabber server, which version? |
| 04:01.34 | nile | grendal_prime, let me check my configs |
| 04:01.37 | jair | I was checking as well couple of ways to install bash on HPUX and also how to restart some services... |
| 04:01.52 | jair | SerajewelKS hi, how are you today? |
| 04:01.56 | nile | Boukensya, with --purge. I don't know if you should or not, I'm just stabbing ;) |
| 04:01.57 | SerajewelKS | jair: good |
| 04:02.12 | SerajewelKS | jair: if you did not install Linux on the server yourself, it's probably not Linux |
| 04:02.18 | kevix | jair: do they use /etc/init.d/ sysv like us? |
| 04:02.23 | SerajewelKS | jair: and if it's not specifically debian linux, you really won't get much help here |
| 04:02.27 | Boukensya | hehe yeah, well when I try to purge amavis it comes up with a dpkg error, one of those AKK things |
| 04:02.41 | Boukensya | not very helpful on telling me why |
| 04:03.07 | jair | SerajewelKS I am dealing with couple of servers in a company and some of them are GNU linux easy Debian sarge stable brand new but it is one computer that is running HPUX and the shell that have is ksh and sh and I really do not find the way to enable the tab completion of the ksh |
| 04:03.09 | nile | grendal_prime, honestly, I just did my best with the XML config file and it worked out |
| 04:03.28 | nile | Boukensya, reinstall then remove w/ purge? |
| 04:03.35 | Boukensya | (: |
| 04:03.40 | jair | SerajewelKS have you ever play with those servers? HPUX? |
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| 04:05.01 | jair | do you know if exist any channel in teh IRC where people talk also about UNIX like HPUX or AIX? |
| 04:05.02 | Boukensya | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 255 |
| 04:05.09 | Boukensya | even when I install then purge |
| 04:05.53 | SerajewelKS | jair: yes, i'm doing performance tuning and backup scripts on one |
| 04:07.25 | kevix | jair: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
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| 04:09.59 | jair | kevix what is that? |
| 04:10.25 | jair | SerajewelKS I am working on one of then and basically are three things I want to do. |
| 04:10.57 | jair | SerajewelKS I want to know if you can enable tab completion (disable by default) on the shells of the HPUX ver 11.0 |
| 04:11.45 | jair | SerajewelKS and also it is a way I can restart processes? like in debian is: /etc/init.d/server restart-stop-start |
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| 04:14.09 | jair | kevix that is great! thank you for that web site. |
| 04:14.21 | jair | SerajewelKS are you still there? |
| 04:14.27 | nomasteryoda | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=38742 (if you want a good tux wallpaper... anyone) |
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| 04:27.53 | thomasb | Hi, I am trying to install Sarge on Dell Inspiron 9400 . I used the Kenshi Muto's custom installer (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CustomImages) basically sarge-netinst+kernel-2.6.15. I've run into the following problem |
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| 04:30.32 | thomasb | the base install goes perfectly till the first reboot after which the sata hard drive is not detected. Not the base install does load modules necessary for the sata cdrom and hard drive. Right now on rebooting I end up in a bash shell with /dev/sda1 not detected and error message saying /dev/hda1 does not exist. Would be greatfull for advice . |
| 04:30.33 | thomasb | s/Not the base/Note the base/ |
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| 04:32.38 | silasj | hey |
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| 04:33.21 | unstable | !greet silasj |
| 04:33.21 | dpkg | Bonjour, silasj |
| 04:33.34 | silasj | hehe, good bot ;) |
| 04:33.41 | silasj | Bonjour. |
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| 04:34.04 | unstable | !es |
| 04:34.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:34.13 | NoRC` | how to i get apache2 to start on bootup in debian ? |
| 04:34.29 | unstable | NoRC`: It will start on boot by default when you apt-get install apache2 |
| 04:34.36 | NoRC` | i didnt apt-get install |
| 04:34.43 | unstable | NoRC`: But if you fucked something up, update-rc.d -f apache2 defaults |
| 04:34.56 | silasj | unstable, you think I speak spanish? |
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| 04:35.14 | unstable | silasj: I know you speak spanish. |
| 04:35.32 | silasj | unstable, no, I don't. What do you think that? |
| 04:35.35 | NoRC` | i get a "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/apache2: file does not exist" |
| 04:35.49 | unstable | silasj: o wait no you speak Portugese |
| 04:35.49 | silasj | unstable, sorry *Why* do you think that? |
| 04:35.52 | unstable | !br |
| 04:35.52 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:35.57 | silasj | yeah! :D |
| 04:36.05 | unstable | my fault |
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| 04:36.20 | sinisterr | 22:34:36 up 324 days, 1:23, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.05 << what do the load average numbers mean? anyone know? |
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| 04:36.47 | chealer9 | NoRC`: if the apache2 package is correectly installed, /etc/init.d/apache2 should exist |
| 04:36.50 | unstable | NoRC`: Create /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 04:36.59 | unstable | NoRC`: I'm assuming you compiled the latest apache2 from source. |
| 04:37.04 | NoRC` | yeh i did |
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| 04:37.19 | unstable | NoRC`: So do apt-get -d install apache2 |
| 04:37.36 | unstable | Then cd /var/cache/apt/archives and gut the deb, then grab the apache2 sh script. |
| 04:37.43 | unstable | And copy it to /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 04:38.25 | unstable | NoRC`: http://pastebin.com/695602 |
| 04:38.32 | unstable | That is what /etc/init.d/apache2 should look like. |
| 04:38.40 | unstable | After you make the file, chmod +x /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 04:38.45 | unstable | Then do the update-rc.d command. |
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| 04:41.02 | chealer9 | unstable: do you seriously think that will work |
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| 04:41.08 | Mortalman | Is there a way to use apt to install a certain package from unstable or testing ? |
| 04:41.09 | chuby007 | just a small question ... you guys that know a lot more than me ( of course ) I have experience using exim... and I'm setting a new mail server, and i have the idea to keep exim or to implement imap... what do you think is the best ? |
| 04:41.21 | chealer9 | Mortalman: on which release? |
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| 04:41.49 | Mortalman | chealer9: I'm on sarge, but I want a package on unstable(sid I believe). |
| 04:41.54 | NoRC` | how do i "gut" a .deb file for the apache2 file to go into /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 04:42.01 | chuby007 | Mortalman yes, change the sources.list and include the ustable and testing release... ( but you can seriously mess up your system ) |
| 04:42.20 | chealer9 | Mortalman: I suppose you're talking about binary packages? |
| 04:42.28 | Mortalman | chuby007: That will add "all" of unstable. Not wanted |
| 04:42.34 | Mortalman | chealer9: yes |
| 04:42.50 | chealer9 | Mortalman: that's unlikely, but dependent of the package in question |
| 04:42.55 | unstable | chealer9: no idea |
| 04:42.59 | Mortalman | chealer9: vlc |
| 04:43.11 | chuby007 | then download the package and just dpkg -i it... |
| 04:43.16 | unstable | chealer9: I don't know if the directories will match up from apache upstream compared to the debian apache |
| 04:43.24 | NoRC` | i dont wanna install it |
| 04:43.25 | Mortalman | chuby007: It requires a lot. |
| 04:43.35 | chealer9 | Mortalman: it won't work for vlc without upgrading fairly important packages to testing/unstable |
| 04:43.40 | unstable | chealer9: But I gave him more information then he had. |
| 04:43.40 | unstable | heh |
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| 04:43.53 | chuby007 | I see.. well I run out of Ideas there :D |
| 04:43.56 | chealer9 | unstable: sure...I doubt that will help him though |
| 04:44.08 | unstable | chealer9: Why wouldn't it? |
| 04:44.21 | chealer9 | unstable: well, it looks unlikely to work |
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| 04:44.39 | unstable | chealer9: He has apache2 running fine...he just needs a /etc/init.d/apache2 file, which I gave him. |
| 04:45.04 | chealer9 | unstable: the init script sources /etc/default/apache2 |
| 04:45.15 | unstable | Mortalman: vlc depends on libc, so you can't install vlc from unstable without going to unstable. |
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| 04:45.24 | unstable | Mortalman: Just wait...vlc will go into unstable in 8 days |
| 04:45.35 | chuby007 | ok so what's best to keep good ol' exim or to learn imapd ? |
| 04:45.37 | chealer9 | unstable: ?? |
| 04:45.51 | unstable | !tell Mortalman why vlc is not in testing |
| 04:46.02 | chealer9 | unstable: Mortalman said he used stable |
| 04:46.13 | chuby007 | I'm so rusty using debian... :S |
| 04:46.24 | Mortalman | I use stable, sarge. |
| 04:46.30 | unstable | o |
| 04:46.33 | unstable | Mortalman: vlc is in stable |
| 04:46.50 | Mortalman | true, but not the version I want. |
| 04:47.32 | Mortalman | 0.8.5-test3 is the one I want and sadly there are no binary tarballs for 'generic' linux. |
| 04:47.37 | unstable | Mortalman: So get the dependencies for building vlc, download vlc source and compile it. |
| 04:47.40 | unstable | Mortalman: or use backports |
| 04:47.46 | unstable | !tell Mortalman about backports |
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| 04:48.18 | Mortalman | hmm, backport |
| 04:48.54 | chuby007 | why one earth does the system takes so long checking quotas when booting... :S |
| 04:49.16 | shogunx | !tell shogunx about backports |
| 04:49.30 | unstable | shogunx: /msg dpkg backports; /msg dpkg help; |
| 04:49.34 | unstable | !tell shogunx about msgdpkg |
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| 04:50.00 | prudhvi | what is the package name for SDL libraries |
| 04:50.32 | tarzeau | prudhvi: apt-cache search sdl |
| 04:51.11 | BlackJudas | /etc/security/limits.conf these settings are they only for login shells? |
| 04:51.29 | Mortalman | Ok, is it currently possible to compile vlc-0.8.5-test3 on sarge ? |
| 04:51.47 | shogunx | thanx unstable |
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| 04:53.31 | unstable | Mortalman: I don't see why not, only one way to find out. |
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| 04:54.02 | Mortalman | k, just wanted to know before I downloaded over 20 packages and untarred them all. |
| 04:54.19 | Mortalman | what a pain in the ass. |
| 04:54.19 | unstable | Mortalman: You don't have to download 20 packages and untar them. |
| 04:54.25 | unstable | Mortalman: You have to download one package and untar it. |
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| 04:54.33 | Mortalman | Because of all it's dependencies. |
| 04:54.46 | grendal_prime | nile_, you kicking around? |
| 04:55.20 | Mortalman | unstable: e.g. wxwidgets |
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| 04:55.46 | grendal_prime | sorry to be a pest but you are the only person i know that is using jabber. and i think my problem is fairly simple |
| 04:55.58 | unstable | Mortalman: apt-get build-dep vlc |
| 04:56.03 | unstable | Mortalman: Then you have all the dependencies. |
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| 04:56.42 | SerajewelKS | i have an MPEG i would like to create a DVD ISO from. what would be a good transcoder and/or DVD authoring package to use? |
| 04:56.52 | unstable | grendal_prime: There are 8 people in #jabber |
| 04:56.56 | SerajewelKS | something fairly one-click would be cool |
| 04:57.05 | grendal_prime | unstable, ya and they dont respond at all |
| 04:57.12 | Mortalman | unstable: not the correct versions |
| 04:57.26 | nile | grendal_prime, I'm here (for now) |
| 04:57.36 | unstable | Mortalman: backports doesn't have a newer version? |
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| 04:57.52 | unstable | Mortalman: Why don't you just use mplayer, mplayer is the best media player in the world. |
| 04:57.59 | Mortalman | unstable: not sure where to look. I googled and found none. |
| 04:58.04 | unstable | !start a media player war |
| 04:58.04 | dpkg | mplayer ownz you, and xine sucks ass! |
| 04:58.15 | unstable | Mortalman: Where to look for what...mplayer? |
| 04:58.24 | grendal_prime | ya well basically, im able to connect to this server from the server itself, but for some reason i cannot connect from any other machine. |
| 04:58.30 | Mortalman | unstable: Well, mplayer can't stream my web cam live and give me a pretty web interface. |
| 04:58.33 | grendal_prime | is there some sort of acl im not seeing? |
| 04:58.42 | unstable | Mortalman: It can stream your webcame live. |
| 04:58.51 | nile | grendal_prime, are you sure you're not binding to 127.0.0.1? |
| 04:58.53 | unstable | Mortalman: But no it won't give you a pretty web interface. |
| 04:59.04 | grendal_prime | well not sure on that ... |
| 04:59.05 | unstable | Mortalman: But you can apt-get install mozilla-mplayer then you have a pretty web interface if you use firefox. |
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| 04:59.07 | Mortalman | unstable: and it can stream my web cam how? |
| 04:59.13 | grendal_prime | how would i be sure i was not doing that? |
| 04:59.25 | nile | grendal_prime, netstat -a -A inet -p |
| 04:59.25 | unstable | Mortalman: But giving it the link to the feed? |
| 04:59.35 | jroes | do you guys usually update your currently installed packages somehow? |
| 04:59.49 | jroes | for instance, maybe a later version of GNOME, Firefox, GAIM...? |
| 05:00.00 | grendal_prime | i mean it sounds like that would be what im doing seeing as how i cant connect to the jabber server from anthing but localhost |
| 05:00.08 | Mortalman | unstable: no no no, vlc streams, mplayer can receive streams. |
| 05:00.21 | chealer9 | jroes: when they're not up-to-date |
| 05:00.29 | Mortalman | unstable: vlc creates the feed in other words. |
| 05:00.31 | nile | grendal_prime, make sure that netstat command doesn't have '127.0.0.1' under the 'local address' field for ejabberd |
| 05:00.45 | unstable | Mortalman: o I didn't know vlc did that. |
| 05:01.10 | Mortalman | unstable: video 'lan'. Can stream from any format to any format. |
| 05:01.26 | Mortalman | ...with on the fly transcoding. |
| 05:01.28 | jroes | well, I mean, are there other repositories you guys usually pull from instead of the main standard ones? I have a fresh sarge install and I'm sitting here with GNOME 2.8.3 built in march 2005, firefox 1.0.4, and probably a pretty out of date gaim |
| 05:01.57 | unstable | Mortalman: mplayer can do on the fly transcoding |
| 05:02.06 | grendal_prime | tcp 0 0 *:xmpp-server *:* LISTEN 3580/jabberd |
| 05:02.12 | Mortalman | but not streaming. 8( |
| 05:02.39 | chealer9 | jroes: not really, unless your "main standard" excludes everything but stable |
| 05:03.10 | Mortalman | unstable: I also plan on using vlc to stream from my tv card and am hoping on this new web interface to allow me to change channels remotely rather than killing and recreating the vlc process. |
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| 05:03.50 | grendal_prime | nile, looks like thats not it..hmm seems like it sure should be |
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| 05:04.23 | liable | wht the hell would i not have direct rendering when theres no obvious reason |
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| 05:04.34 | jroes | hm, I just feel like I'm overlooking some things, I can't find much information on getting java,flash plugins for Firefox, basic video codec libs, etc. |
| 05:04.53 | terse | Hi, is this the right place for a question about sound under debian? |
| 05:04.56 | chealer9 | jroes: for java, see /topic |
| 05:04.58 | nile | grendal_prime, oh, damn, I think I know now |
| 05:05.01 | chealer9 | terse: yes |
| 05:05.11 | chealer9 | jroes: for flash, /msg dpkg flash |
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| 05:05.29 | chealer9 | jroes: for basic video codec libs, precise which one(s) you're talking about |
| 05:05.47 | nile | grendal_prime, you know how jabber names are user@domain.ext? well, jabber clients just try to connect to domain.ext because that's where the server should be |
| 05:06.12 | terse | ok, I'm having some trouble with a sound blaster live (emu10k). it shows up in lspci, and the modules are loaded. i'm trying to play an mp3 from the console using mpg123 but it can't find the device. |
| 05:06.20 | unstable | Mortalman: I think you definitely want to use mythtv |
| 05:06.22 | unstable | Instead of vlc |
| 05:06.31 | grendal_prime | nile are you telling me i cant use an IP address? |
| 05:06.34 | nile | grendal_prime, but if your server is on your local sub net, you should connect its internal IP, not your external domain.ext name |
| 05:06.36 | unstable | Mortalman: mythtv and lirc |
| 05:06.59 | nile | grendal_prime, your jabber client should have an option to specify where to connect to |
| 05:07.22 | terse | i'm pretty sure i've got alsa installed correctly too, but not 100% |
| 05:07.24 | grendal_prime | ok say the jabber server is running on a local machine. named operations. local ip address is 192.168.1.155 |
| 05:07.27 | nile | grendal_prime, so you would keep 'username@externaldomain.ext' but connect to the local subnet IP |
| 05:07.29 | jroes | chealer9: well, sorry, basic wasn't what I really meant, I'm looking for the win32 stuff :). I was expecting some sort of repository with a nice library of non-free packages that most people customarily install, but can't be packaged with any linux distribution |
| 05:07.43 | Mortalman | unstable: I was under the impression that mythtv was client-server based and I have no idea what lirc is. |
| 05:07.44 | nile | grendal_prime, I know Gaim has the option, at least |
| 05:07.56 | unstable | Mortalman: /join #mythtv |
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| 05:08.15 | chealer9 | !tell jroes about w32codecs |
| 05:08.18 | grendal_prime | well in like kopete or psi i can put in the server address and then the JID |
| 05:08.26 | unstable | Mortalman: lirc is for remotes, infared |
| 05:08.40 | Mortalman | ahh |
| 05:08.55 | grendal_prime | SO the server address in the above mentioned situation would be 192.168.1.155 and the jid would be myuser@operations |
| 05:09.10 | nile | grendal_prime, and that doesn't work? :( |
| 05:09.11 | userbn | hi |
| 05:09.30 | deadcat | unstable: is it me or that the init.d/slim script dont do shit.. it doesnt clean up lock files and shit... somebody really have to work on that package... SOB. |
| 05:09.32 | userbn | hi |
| 05:09.38 | unstable | Mortalman: /join #mythtv-users rather |
| 05:09.41 | stoned | what the hell is a myth tv |
| 05:09.48 | stoned | is it like a tv that doesn't exist? |
| 05:09.48 | liable | deadcat: you still got a box with a 7500 in it? |
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| 05:09.57 | stoned | mythological tv? |
| 05:09.58 | lakcaj | a fabled device that is thought to exist only in legend? |
| 05:10.00 | unstable | !mythtv |
| 05:10.00 | dpkg | it has been said that mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org. Packages can be found in <marillat>. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 05:10.13 | stoned | ahh, gayness |
| 05:10.19 | deadcat | liable: ya. but i have to send it back to apple tomorrow because the hd is giving error.. |
| 05:10.28 | stoned | I hate tv anyway, why the hell would I want to record it ;) |
| 05:10.34 | deadcat | liable: and i upgraded to 7.0 and now x wont start. so good time to send it back. (= |
| 05:10.37 | liable | deadcat: you get direct rendering working with xorg7? |
| 05:10.42 | liable | ah bugger |
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| 05:11.02 | unstable | liable: I have direct rendering working with xorg7 |
| 05:11.03 | liable | unstable: on a radeon 7500? |
| 05:11.03 | unstable | I have a mobility 7000 |
| 05:11.11 | unstable | yea, close enough |
| 05:11.17 | unstable | same chipset I believe |
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| 05:11.39 | liable | i cant see any errors but i dont have it, glxgears turns half a cog forward then half backwards! :) |
| 05:11.46 | grendal_prime | nile nope |
| 05:11.49 | jroes | thankyou very much chealer9 |
| 05:12.00 | grendal_prime | ill try again..but...hmm |
| 05:12.07 | jm_ | liable: what's the speed it reports? |
| 05:12.13 | chealer9 | jroes: it's a pleasure |
| 05:12.14 | grendal_prime | seems ive tried it several times |
| 05:12.18 | grendal_prime | in that fassion |
| 05:12.31 | liable | jm_: doesnt give one, i have left it about a minute and it doesnt give anything |
| 05:12.37 | stoned | hey, Copyright 2004-2005 Canonical Ltd. this shows up in xorg copyright file, isn't this the ubuntu people? |
| 05:12.46 | stoned | wtf is goin on? |
| 05:12.50 | unstable | liable: I had the same problem. |
| 05:12.56 | deadcat | liable: ~ 700fps |
| 05:12.56 | nile | grendal_prime, what ports does ejabberd have open? netstat can tell you |
| 05:13.08 | liable | deadcat: yeah i used to get around that |
| 05:13.13 | chealer9 | stoned: Canonical funds Ubuntu |
| 05:13.17 | liable | unstable: what did you need to do? |
| 05:13.17 | deadcat | liable: using the radeon driver. |
| 05:13.18 | Mortalman | unstable: before I get all caught up in mythtv... can it stream ? |
| 05:13.21 | unstable | liable: I had to apt-get some module for X, people in #xorg told me what it was, but I can't remember. And my .bash_history cache has been filled once over already. |
| 05:13.25 | stoned | ok |
| 05:13.32 | unstable | Mortalman: yes |
| 05:13.41 | Mortalman | unstable: k |
| 05:13.44 | liable | unstable: hrm, /me looks |
| 05:13.48 | jm_ | liable: then it must really be so slow |
| 05:14.00 | unstable | liable: I can give you my dpkg -al|grep -i xserver if you want in pastebin |
| 05:14.14 | liable | unstable: sure thats a good start, thanks |
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| 05:14.32 | unstable | liable: I didn't install anything extra besides this one module, I just did dist-upgrade in unstable from 6.9 to 7.0 |
| 05:14.37 | unstable | So we should have the same packages maybe, except one. |
| 05:14.55 | unstable | liable: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rL87F086.html |
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| 05:15.12 | liable | jm_: yeah, i dunno whats up, i havent played with it for a long time and re-installed this laptop about a month ago, so i dunno if it was even working before xorg7, but i presume so. |
| 05:15.16 | liable | unstable: thanks |
| 05:15.25 | unstable | yea, same here |
| 05:15.32 | unstable | I went to play chromium and it was too laggy to play. |
| 05:15.43 | unstable | So I paid a visit to the bts, and then to #xorg once I gave up on the bts. |
| 05:16.05 | unstable | xorg guys told me right away the package I needed, and I didn't even have to restart X and direct rendering worked right away. |
| 05:16.19 | liable | to top it off, my screen has just started playing up as we speak :) but i did just have the screen off this thing. |
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| 05:18.52 | nile | grendal_prime, no, then? |
| 05:19.30 | liable | unstable: hrm, same except the libglu1 transitional package |
| 05:19.32 | unstable | liable: If you figure out the package name, tell me to remind my memory, so if someone else has the question. And I'll make a factoid. |
| 05:19.38 | liable | yep |
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| 05:20.23 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 05:20.36 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:20.47 | deadcat | !ops spamer ^^ |
| 05:20.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: spamer ^^ |
| 05:21.05 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 05:21.40 | unstable | nalioth spammer |
| 05:21.44 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:21.49 | Alam_Debian | ............ |
| 05:21.49 | unstable | lilo spammer |
| 05:21.50 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:21.58 | unstable | We should add freenode irc ops to the !ops factoid |
| 05:21.58 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:22.12 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:22.13 | Zet | what's happening? |
| 05:22.14 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:22.15 | geckosenator | hi |
| 05:22.16 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:22.20 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:22.21 | lakcaj | well, let's just DOS nextpixturez.com |
| 05:22.22 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:22.34 | Alam_Debian | yea! |
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| 05:22.46 | unstable | He'll be back in 10 seconds |
| 05:22.47 | deadcat | with my 56k modem? ya right |
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| 05:22.49 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 05:23.04 | unstable | He'll be back in another 10 |
| 05:23.07 | Dwonis | NeXT pornography? |
| 05:23.09 | deadcat | unstable: (= |
| 05:23.10 | lakcaj | this channel should auto-kick anyone that posts more than 5 lines |
| 05:23.28 | unstable | lakcaj: It does, it's in a certain amount of time. |
| 05:23.32 | lakcaj | ah |
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| 05:23.43 | unstable | yay, reinforcements |
| 05:24.01 | unstable | HedgeMage 01:22 < royy> www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:24.01 | unstable | 01:22 < royy> www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 05:24.10 | geckosenator | pr00n |
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| 05:25.13 | unstable | liable: Did that package work? |
| 05:25.22 | grendal_prime | nile, no does not work |
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| 05:25.29 | grendal_prime | general stream error |
| 05:25.36 | grendal_prime | whatever that means |
| 05:25.51 | HedgeMage | got him, unstable |
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| 05:26.16 | nile | grendal_prime, did you check what ports ejabberd has open? |
| 05:26.39 | nile | grendal_prime, are you trying to connect to 5223 when it only has 5222? |
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| 05:26.56 | grendal_prime | im connecting on 5222 |
| 05:27.37 | liable | unstable: libgl1-mesa-dri :) |
| 05:27.41 | Dwonis | nile, grendal_prime: 5223 is ssl, 5222 is non-ssl |
| 05:27.50 | nile | right |
| 05:28.00 | grendal_prime | the exact error it comes up with is generic stream error, ya im not connecting via ssl |
| 05:28.30 | grendal_prime | ive tried this on two different machines, same error so im sure its a config error on my end. |
| 05:28.41 | grendal_prime | and two different jabber servers as well |
| 05:28.46 | liable | eww, glxgears fuxored my display :( |
| 05:29.00 | deadcat | liable: ya. thats 7.0 baby |
| 05:29.06 | grendal_prime | 1.4 and ejabberd i get that same error on both |
| 05:29.11 | grendal_prime | and with two differnt clients |
| 05:29.17 | grendal_prime | same error. |
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| 05:29.34 | liable | deadcat: at least they turn now :) well for a few seconds till my screen fucks out |
| 05:29.36 | unstable | liable: that's right |
| 05:29.42 | jnc | noah built the jabberd, and loaded the errors on two by two |
| 05:29.52 | liable | even trashed vt1.. |
| 05:29.57 | deadcat | liable: ya.. let me show you what they look like before i move the window |
| 05:30.29 | grendal_prime | There was an error in the protocol stream: Generic stream error (sorry, I do not have a more-detailed reason) |
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| 05:30.44 | nile | grendal_prime, is that ejabberd's error message? |
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| 05:30.46 | liable | i wonder if gravity has uploaded xserver-xorg .16 yet |
| 05:30.53 | deadcat | liable: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/glxgears01.png and 02.png |
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| 05:31.15 | grendal_prime | ya well thats what the client kicks back..doesnt matter ither one of those servers comes back with the same error |
| 05:31.24 | liable | deadcat: mine were half out of the screen |
| 05:31.26 | deadcat | liable: and it doesnt show fps |
| 05:31.27 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:31.31 | royy | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 05:31.33 | liable | deadcat: yeah not here either |
| 05:31.34 | *** part/#debian royy (n=Misc@c-68-48-46-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 05:31.42 | Dwonis | !ban royy |
| 05:31.45 | deadcat | where the ops at? |
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| 05:31.55 | liable | !ops please ban c-68-48-46-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net |
| 05:31.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please ban c-68-48-46-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net |
| 05:32.02 | grendal_prime | now...i know its hitting the server because ive run iptraf on that machine and seen it hit the server |
| 05:32.05 | Dwonis | !spamsmite royy |
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| 05:32.25 | nile | grendal_prime, but what's ejabberd say? |
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| 05:32.45 | unstable | 01:31 -!- royy [n=Misc@c-68-48-46-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #debian [requested by debhelper: "use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood"] |
| 05:32.54 | liable | HedgeMage: can you ban him please? |
| 05:32.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:32.58 | unstable | spamming the child porn |
| 05:33.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-68-48-46-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:33.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:33.26 | nile | hurray dondelelcaro |
| 05:33.46 | Dwonis | looks like a different address than last time ("Misc@c-68-48-46-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net" this time, "Misc@adsl-68-92-227-84.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net" last time) |
| 05:33.52 | grendal_prime | i cant find the logs for ither of those servers |
| 05:34.10 | grendal_prime | thats the other problem... |
| 05:34.14 | HedgeMage | DonJohnny: why not ban *!Misc@* ? |
| 05:34.19 | HedgeMage | dondelelcaro: even |
| 05:34.23 | HedgeMage | darn tab complete |
| 05:34.34 | nile | HedgeMage, irssi? |
| 05:34.39 | dondelelcaro | HedgeMage: I may if it comes back, but it'd be *!*Misc@*... |
| 05:35.57 | HedgeMage | since he always uses the same name there... ban royy*!*@* while youre at it :) |
| 05:35.57 | HedgeMage | :) |
| 05:35.57 | HedgeMage | nile: yes, irssi |
| 05:35.57 | dondelelcaro | HedgeMage: you may as well kline it though, since it's in #rubyonrails too |
| 05:35.57 | HedgeMage | :) |
| 05:35.57 | HedgeMage | already doing |
| 05:35.57 | Dwonis | irssi... pfft! I like my xchat with plenty of X11 security holes |
| 05:36.04 | Supaplex | !start an irc client war |
| 05:36.04 | grendal_prime | oh ya the other werid thing nile, i can telnet to that box, and i ran an xml test streamon it and it responded corectly |
| 05:36.04 | dpkg | irssi sucks |
| 05:36.12 | Dwonis | dpkg: good choice |
| 05:36.33 | Supaplex | blootbot sucks to! |
| 05:36.36 | Supaplex | :P |
| 05:36.37 | liable | yay, flight gear doesnt exit now with dri, but my screen goes bananas |
| 05:36.46 | De_Mon | irssi > dpkg |
| 05:37.09 | grendal_prime | liable i used xplane to practice for my inst rating. worked great |
| 05:37.18 | nile | grendal_prime, I've asked you multiple times: have you checked ejabberd's logs?? |
| 05:37.32 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 05:38.00 | nile | grendal_prime, you know, /var/log/ejabberd, or something similar? |
| 05:38.02 | Supaplex | he has no clue what it is |
| 05:38.02 | liable | grendal_prime: yeah, a mate at work has it, looks nice, but i dont want to buy one, so flightgear will do for practise |
| 05:38.11 | grendal_prime | where are they located?? i cant find them anywhere |
| 05:38.37 | deadcat | xgl |
| 05:38.42 | grendal_prime | liable you working on a ticket? |
| 05:39.25 | liable | grendal_prime: just ndb's atm, gotta get a night vfr, then hopefully into IR (helo's) |
| 05:40.00 | grendal_prime | night vfr? |
| 05:40.13 | grendal_prime | and nile how about this info 20060503T05:40:55: [notice] (bnmrover): bouncing a routed packet to emily@bnmrover from 13@c2s/80DF820: Internal Delivery E$ |
| 05:40.36 | liable | grendal_prime: yeah, over here its not part of cpl/atpl |
| 05:40.49 | nile | grendal_prime, what's that from? |
| 05:40.49 | unix_infidel | hey guys, i cant seem to get menu.lst to jive with vga=773, works fine with vga=normal. |
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| 05:41.08 | liable | unix_infidel: try vga=ask |
| 05:41.15 | unix_infidel | liable: question though. |
| 05:41.23 | unix_infidel | is it possible to use vga ask and revert back without rebooting again? |
| 05:41.43 | grendal_prime | thats from jabber log. on this machine, the ejabber is on the machine at work |
| 05:41.45 | liable | dont think so |
| 05:41.46 | jm_ | you can try stm if it works with your card |
| 05:41.56 | grendal_prime | its an internal delivery error |
| 05:42.07 | unix_infidel | liable: but what about if i'm running nv instead of vesa |
| 05:42.09 | nile | grendal_prime, ? you have two jabber servers ? |
| 05:42.21 | liable | unix_infidel: no idea, sorry. |
| 05:42.26 | grendal_prime | which means im not addressing it correct |
| 05:42.40 | grendal_prime | actually tried it on 3 differnt machines today..thinking it was just something i was missing |
| 05:43.01 | nile | grendal_prime, you did create the account you're trying to use, right? |
| 05:43.14 | grendal_prime | but....ummm well on this machine i have one server running. jabber 1.4 i believe |
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| 05:43.37 | grendal_prime | that response if from the server to an attempted acount creation |
| 05:43.37 | nile | grendal_prime, as in, you enabled new account creation on the jabber server and then created an account with your client? |
| 05:44.18 | nile | grendal_prime, I'm giving up, sorry |
| 05:44.20 | grendal_prime | well ok i can create that account from the actual server running a client on that server. but i cant creat one from another machine |
| 05:45.09 | Alam_Debian | how do I use module-assistant -k ? |
| 05:45.25 | deadcat | like that |
| 05:45.44 | Alam_Debian | .... with a version |
| 05:45.57 | deadcat | man m-a |
| 05:46.18 | Alam_Debian | -k linux-header-2.6.....486 ... boom |
| 05:46.36 | grendal_prime | well thanks for the help so far. when i figer it ill let you know |
| 05:47.19 | Alam_Debian | I just neeed an expamel(mis-spell I know), and the man page don't give me one |
| 05:47.28 | Alam_Debian | also, -l don't work... |
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| 05:51.45 | unix_infidel | hmm, that's odd, i can boot to vga=normal, but not vga=773 like before |
| 05:51.53 | unix_infidel | maybe vesa isnt built into this kernel? |
| 05:52.32 | unix_infidel | but it shows vesafb.ko in the modules list. |
| 05:52.52 | killown | how to read .doc files without to use abiword? |
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| 05:53.05 | dondelelcaro | killown: antiword, wv, or ooo |
| 05:53.10 | grendal_prime | ok nile i got it |
| 05:53.29 | grendal_prime | i couldnt use the actual name of the server...i had to use localhost. |
| 05:53.38 | grendal_prime | so i did connect but then got this error |
| 05:53.39 | grendal_prime | 20060503T06:03:17: [warn] (localhost): xdb_file failed to open file /var/lib/jabber/localhost/emily.xml: No such file or di$ |
| 05:53.52 | grendal_prime | sooo basically account creation is not enabled? |
| 05:54.42 | killown | dondelelcaro thank you |
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| 06:00.34 | grendal_prime | that file actually does exist by the way |
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| 06:13.16 | Azar | gah I hope tarzeau was not kidnapped |
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| 06:13.17 | chealer9 | funny, konversation eats >50% during >10 seconds with these mass splits |
| 06:13.18 | chealer9 | CPU |
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| 06:13.20 | luisito | hello |
| 06:13.20 | liable | bah, i get dri, and its totally unusable anyway.. :) |
| 06:13.21 | liable | !hi |
| 06:13.21 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 06:13.21 | tarzeau | Azar: who would you ask for money if you kidnap me? |
| 06:13.21 | tarzeau | Azar: and how much do you think you'd get for me? |
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| 06:13.22 | meeps | hello there all |
| 06:13.22 | meeps | ive just burnt my dinner :( |
| 06:13.22 | meeps | i blame cramfs and initrd :> |
| 06:13.22 | Azar | :) good evening tarzeau |
| 06:13.22 | meeps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:13.23 | meeps | Any help is suitable appreciated ;-) |
| 06:13.23 | meeps | *suitably |
| 06:13.23 | Azar | tarzeau did you read about nVidia releasing free version of Gelato? |
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| 06:13.24 | tarzeau | Azar: what's gelato? soft ice? |
| 06:13.24 | Azar | hot hot |
| 06:13.24 | Azar | http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MTg2MDEsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE= |
| 06:13.24 | tarzeau | Azar: you know it's 08:07 am here, the sun just rised |
| 06:13.25 | wols_ | just ice |
| 06:13.25 | unix_infidel | do the debian kernels not have vesafb built in? |
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| 06:13.25 | meeps | heh |
| 06:13.26 | pon | hi all. Anyone can suggest me a programming language which support GUI, static compile (including GUI) for linux and possibly windows? Thanks |
| 06:13.26 | meeps | its 7:07am here |
| 06:13.26 | meeps | sun just rised too :) |
| 06:13.26 | meeps | hurting my eyes :D |
| 06:13.26 | liable | unix_infidel: no |
| 06:13.26 | SlammerXP | pon: Delphi |
| 06:13.26 | Azar | good morning then, 23:00 here |
| 06:13.26 | meeps | morning :) |
| 06:13.26 | pon | pon, can i use delphi for linux? I dont think so |
| 06:13.26 | tarzeau | Azar: free as in free software? |
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| 06:13.27 | liable | berr'o'clock here! :) |
| 06:13.27 | pon | SlammerXP, can i use delphi for linux? I dont think so |
| 06:13.27 | liable | beer.. |
| 06:13.27 | unix_infidel | liable: so i dont understand how i was able to get vga=773 to work in debian etch but not debian stable. |
| 06:13.27 | Azar | tarzeau hmmmm dunno but runs on linux too |
| 06:13.27 | SlammerXP | pon: you think incorrectly, then. |
| 06:13.27 | wols_ | pon: C |
| 06:13.27 | tarzeau | Azar: i need free software drivers, for debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 06:13.27 | Azar | for sure free of charge |
| 06:13.27 | liable | unix_infidel: neither do i |
| 06:13.27 | tarzeau | Azar: no high-quality rendering software |
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| 06:13.28 | tarzeau | Azar: free of charge is worth nothing |
| 06:13.28 | unix_infidel | liable: maybe its using a different nvidia kernel or something? |
| 06:13.28 | pon | SlammerXP, how to use delphi for linux? |
| 06:13.28 | Azar | the way we all know it, nVidia is not open source |
| 06:13.28 | SlammerXP | pon: google Kylix |
| 06:13.28 | tarzeau | pon: that's not #borland here |
| 06:13.28 | pon | wols_, if i use c with GTK+, can i compile statically? |
| 06:13.28 | pon | SlammerXP, kylix is discountinued |
| 06:13.28 | SlammerXP | pon: it is? |
| 06:13.29 | wols_ | pon: any lib can be compiled statically |
| 06:13.29 | pon | SlammerXP, seems to be. |
| 06:13.29 | Azar | .. but at least nVidia colaborates with linux |
| 06:13.29 | SlammerXP | oh, my bad then. |
| 06:13.29 | pon | wols_, is it true? |
| 06:13.29 | meeps | hello there, can someone perhaps point me in the right direction for MKIMAGE='mkcramfs %s %s > /dev/null' change in my /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf :< I get a magic error on boot and i know why its because of the cramfs magic error, how can i change mkcramfs too something else, pleasse help :) thx guys |
| 06:13.29 | liable | unix_infidel: hrm, dunno, i havent ever played with nvidia |
| 06:13.29 | wols_ | kylix is basically dead. not a good thing to start with it imho |
| 06:13.30 | pon | SlammerXP, kylix 3 was released 2002, and up until now, we see no updates |
| 06:13.30 | wols_ | and this gelato thing is only free beer. and there is a "pro" pay version too |
| 06:13.30 | wols_ | SlammerXP: borland sells their ides anyways. they won't continue to make them |
| 06:13.30 | grendal_prime | i got thes ati cards i sure wish i could get dri working on |
| 06:13.30 | Azar | tarzeau, 2002 here were nVidia stands for Open Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/07/24/shader_wars_nvidia_goes_open/ |
| 06:13.30 | meeps | aww man nobody knows :( |
| 06:13.30 | grendal_prime | but no luck yet |
| 06:13.31 | deyan | I remember that there is a source of volatilize debian. But I forget the url, who can tell me? |
| 06:13.31 | liable | grendal_prime: heh, with xorg7? |
| 06:13.31 | grendal_prime | havent tried it with xorg. |
| 06:13.31 | chealer9 | !tell deyan about volatile |
| 06:13.31 | grendal_prime | has to be a stable |
| 06:13.31 | grendal_prime | and xorg on stable does funky things |
| 06:13.31 | liable | grendal_prime: should work with xfree |
| 06:13.32 | meeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.32 | grendal_prime | not these cards..there older... |
| 06:13.32 | liable | my 7500 used to no problem |
| 06:13.32 | grendal_prime | you good with dri stuff because i suck with that sort of thing. |
| 06:13.32 | liable | nope, i suck too. :) |
| 06:13.32 | grendal_prime | i mean ive search high and low for some way of using these things but it looks like its just not possible |
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| 06:13.51 | grendal_prime | they work ok without dri, but i think they would scream if i could get that enabled |
| 06:13.53 | meeps | seriously does nobody have a clue about my problem ? its driving me nuts |
| 06:14.29 | dondelelcaro | meeps: eh? is there any reason why you're not using cramfs? |
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| 06:14.42 | dondelelcaro | meeps: and additionally, why do you need an initrd? |
| 06:14.46 | meeps | I am using cramfs, thats the problem unfortauntely :< |
| 06:14.55 | meeps | well i dont know a great deal admittedly. |
| 06:15.02 | meeps | Ive always used it. |
| 06:15.21 | meeps | And when using it there is a known problem in debian "magic cramfs patch" exists |
| 06:15.23 | dondelelcaro | meeps: if you're building your own kernel for your own hardware, there's almost never a reason to use an initrd. |
| 06:15.25 | meeps | but its for omosix :D |
| 06:15.29 | meeps | ohh right, really |
| 06:15.39 | meeps | its for about 10 x p3 600 of identical specification |
| 06:15.59 | dondelelcaro | meeps: yeah, then don't bother. You only care about having the modules in the initrd that you need to mount the root filesystem |
| 06:16.10 | dondelelcaro | meeps: you'd be building those into the kernel anyway, so there's little point. |
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| 06:16.13 | meeps | heh ok i will just use make-kpkg :-) |
| 06:16.26 | liable | dont foget to add the drivers. |
| 06:16.55 | meeps | i have been reading http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 06:17.27 | meeps | :D |
| 06:17.34 | meeps | Ok i will try without initrd :) |
| 06:18.05 | meeps | still it just looks like all i need to do is replace the initrd MKIMAGE='mkcramfs %s %s > /dev/null' with mkotherfs |
| 06:18.07 | meeps | i just have no idea what :P |
| 06:18.17 | meeps | appologies for making a big deal over a small problem :< |
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| 06:18.39 | dondelelcaro | yes, but you'd have to do that on all of the systems where you were installing the kernel to, since the initrds are built on the client machines. |
| 06:18.39 | Mortalman | small problems are always big deals |
| 06:18.51 | meeps | heh :) |
| 06:18.54 | meeps | im glad you guys understand |
| 06:19.02 | meeps | my omosix cluster is screaming at me "ffs" |
| 06:19.02 | meeps | :D |
| 06:19.11 | Azar | ok ok if is to keep linux pure GPL I understand, but when the system has to run on hardware that uses proprietary drivers thats pure utopian |
| 06:19.48 | Azar | then linux machines should be built with os hardware like apple builts its own machines |
| 06:19.49 | dondelelcaro | Azar: ? |
| 06:20.05 | Azar | dondelelcaro: my rambling about nvidia / ati drivers |
| 06:20.18 | dondelelcaro | what about it? The hardware works just fine without the things |
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| 06:20.34 | meeps | thx so much btw guys :) |
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| 06:20.51 | meeps | i assume after i make-kpkg i will only need to dpkg -i kernel.deb |
| 06:20.53 | meeps | and thats it :D |
| 06:21.03 | Azar | The Free Software Foundation, which wrote the General Public License (GPL) that governs Linux, says that the license prohibits proprietary drivers. |
| 06:21.06 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 06:21.06 | meeps | (yes its true i am not really sure what initrd is) |
| 06:21.08 | Dwonis | meeps: you might also need a bootloader, if this is a fresh install |
| 06:21.23 | meeps | heh noo i am recompiling from 2.4.27 to 2.4.20-om |
| 06:21.26 | meeps | (open mosix) |
| 06:21.27 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it prohibits some types of proprietary drivers, yes. |
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| 06:21.36 | e-type | hi all |
| 06:21.41 | meeps | i will make sure grub is set though, thx so much guys |
| 06:21.47 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah ok, I was feeling guilty for using nVidia under this circumstances |
| 06:21.53 | meeps | too used to debian doing things for me |
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| 06:23.21 | meeps | thanks for such an easy "magic fix" :) although i was hoping i wouldnt have to recompile another 2 hours |
| 06:23.23 | meeps | oh well ;-) |
| 06:23.41 | meeps | "magic fix" , geddit? |
| 06:23.42 | meeps | hehe |
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| 06:25.43 | michal_ | peterS, hi. are you here? |
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| 06:26.12 | Edgardoweb | pelox |
| 06:26.24 | tarzeau | Azar: but open source is not the same like free software |
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| 06:26.41 | meeps | yes open source suggests community :) |
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| 06:26.51 | meeps | it it doesnt its probably in trouble re: support :P |
| 06:27.11 | peterS | sort of |
| 06:27.14 | Azar | tarzeau: now is your turn to be explicit about "free software" :) |
| 06:27.18 | tarzeau | meeps: bullshit |
| 06:27.18 | peterS | sort of not |
| 06:27.28 | meeps | tarzeau if you say so |
| 06:27.32 | meeps | im no expert :) |
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| 06:27.51 | tarzeau | meeps: open source has any important persons behind? |
| 06:28.04 | tarzeau | meeps: free software has RICHARD MEIGHTY STALLMAN |
| 06:28.10 | Dwonis | "free software" vs "open source": http://www.itworld.com/AppDev/350/LWD010523vcontrol4/ (good, except for the bogus preaching at the end) |
| 06:28.14 | meeps | lol :> |
| 06:28.18 | meeps | i believe you bud |
| 06:28.21 | Azar | open source isn't software open for anyone to use its code? |
| 06:28.21 | shogunx | trumpets sound! |
| 06:28.27 | meeps | heh |
| 06:28.29 | meeps | hello shogunx :) |
| 06:28.32 | meeps | fancy seeing you here |
| 06:28.32 | tarzeau | Azar: yes |
| 06:28.41 | shogunx | hi meeps. |
| 06:28.45 | meeps | hiya. :) |
| 06:28.46 | Azar | tarzeau: then that I was refering at |
| 06:28.47 | shogunx | hows that cluster coming? |
| 06:28.52 | meeps | im compiling again 2.4.26 |
| 06:28.59 | meeps | these lads helped me fix my magic initrd cramfs problem |
| 06:29.03 | karma | I have a USB hard drive plugged in that I would like to mount, but I don't know what dilesystem is on it... |
| 06:29.09 | shogunx | its much joy when you get it going. |
| 06:29.13 | meeps | :) |
| 06:29.18 | meeps | ive had lame live CD's shogunx |
| 06:29.23 | meeps | and run @ 6ghz |
| 06:29.24 | Azar | give me a source code to look at... I would not know what is about |
| 06:29.25 | meeps | i just hated it :( |
| 06:29.28 | tarzeau | Dwonis: try this instead: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 06:29.30 | peterS | karma: 'cat /proc/partitions', see if /dev/sda1 or whatever shows up in there. that's a start. |
| 06:29.34 | meeps | knew i needed proper support :) and so on |
| 06:29.37 | karma | How do I find out what filesystem is on it (I've been using it with my PowerBook G4 with OS X, so I'm thinking it may be HFS?) |
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| 06:29.49 | meeps | anyway a lot of the livecd's are outdated. |
| 06:29.55 | meeps | cluster knoppix for instance :( |
| 06:30.16 | pilgrim | How do I convert an rpm to a .deb? |
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| 06:30.19 | meeps | anyway it looks promising now :) |
| 06:30.23 | liable | i think i might do something silly like try reiser4 |
| 06:30.24 | meeps | and i learnt something |
| 06:30.27 | karma | peterS: sda is my SATA hard drive, but yes sdb shows up (in fact sdb1 all the way through sdb10!!!) |
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| 06:30.32 | Edgardoweb | alguien de Venezuela |
| 06:30.36 | Dwonis | tarzeau: I think you mean http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html, but that one doesn't adequately explain what "open source" *is* (as opposed to what it is not) |
| 06:30.39 | Edgardoweb | debconf |
| 06:30.39 | Azar | !es |
| 06:30.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:30.41 | peterS | pilgrim: 'alien', but results are only as good as the rpm, which often means not very good |
| 06:30.50 | meeps | initrd made me burn my breakfast :( |
| 06:30.58 | zOrK | !fr |
| 06:30.58 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 06:31.00 | meeps | these nice chicken like sstrips :D |
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| 06:31.03 | peterS | karma: sdb1 through sdb10, something's a little weird there. maybe it's misinterpreting the partition table your mac put on there? |
| 06:31.04 | karma | peterS: While I have no clue why there are 10 different sdb entries, it appears sdb9 is the largest (the one with the actual data) |
| 06:31.21 | peterS | karma: ok well try that. mount -t hfs -r /dev/sdb9 /mnt |
| 06:31.28 | Edgardoweb | !pelox |
| 06:31.29 | karma | okay |
| 06:31.33 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: Free Software is a different movement from the Open Source Movement; the FSF and GNU websites have no interest in explaining what OSS is. |
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| 06:31.39 | peterS | karma: the -r means read-only, so you can poke around a bit without worrying about whether hfs read/write support exists or is stable |
| 06:31.40 | Edgardoweb | !seen pelox |
| 06:31.40 | dpkg | pelox <n=rail@gugve/developer/pelox> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 3h 14s ago, saying: 'lol @ nicnac'. |
| 06:31.54 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: precisely |
| 06:32.08 | Azar | Open Source is broader than Free Software |
| 06:32.23 | shogunx | OSS is a development methodolgy. |
| 06:32.23 | Edgardoweb | http://www.edgardoweb.ve.tc |
| 06:32.23 | Dwonis | Azar: no, it's just different |
| 06:32.24 | peterS | OSS is a sound module interface |
| 06:32.26 | dondelelcaro | Azar: generally it's the other way around, actually. |
| 06:32.27 | shogunx | heh |
| 06:32.29 | tarzeau | Dwonis: there's also a comparison, i can't find right now |
| 06:32.36 | pilgrim | peterS, that's fine. as long as i can purge the resulting .deb. |
| 06:32.41 | karma | peterS: should the data show up in /mnt? |
| 06:32.44 | Dwonis | Azar: It's sort of like comparing apples and oranges |
| 06:32.47 | meeps | hmm renice has considerably sped up my cc process on a compile. and the box is at 0 load :D |
| 06:32.47 | peterS | karma: yep, if it's indeed hfs |
| 06:32.48 | meeps | yay |
| 06:32.51 | shogunx | what about europes libre software? |
| 06:32.57 | Azar | dondelelcaro: OS can encompass more than software, Free Software is covering.. software |
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| 06:33.04 | karma | peterS: It worked!! Thanks!! |
| 06:33.15 | peterS | I think we should all use libra software, written only by people born in a particular sign of the zodiac |
| 06:33.17 | dondelelcaro | Azar: the Free Software movement encompases everything that can be distributed digitally |
| 06:33.29 | Azar | we can have os books, hardware, software... |
| 06:33.50 | peterS | karma: heh, cool. if you want this more permanently, do something like: mkdir /usb; echo >> /etc/fstab "/dev/sdb9 /usb hfs ro 0 0" |
| 06:33.52 | dondelelcaro | physical goods are less interesting because they have a non-zero replication cost |
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| 06:33.56 | Azar | even OS laws |
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| 06:34.04 | peterS | karma: well, except instead of 'ro' you want 'ro,user,noauto' probably |
| 06:34.19 | Dwonis | Azar: Read "The Cathedral and The Bazaar", "Open source" is about a development methodology, and the open-source definition is merely a list of things that Bruce Perens thought were needed to enable that methodology |
| 06:34.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: the difference is that one is involved in preserving the freedom, the other is just interested in having source code. |
| 06:34.27 | peterS | the idea is so you can 'mount /usb' as any user, rather than becoming root and typing that whole thing you typed earlier |
| 06:34.48 | Dwonis | Azar: "Free software" is about freedom. What the freedom enables is secondary (though it is also important) |
| 06:35.11 | karma | peterS: So how *is* write support for HFS? If I want to be writing to this USB HDD, should I reformat it with another filesystem type? |
| 06:35.13 | punsad | I'm compiling my kernel (2.6.8). if I select 'selinux' under security, is there any extra configuration that I have to do ? |
| 06:35.33 | liable | hrm, what was that new auto mounting thing that just hit the repo? |
| 06:35.36 | peterS | karma: honestly I don't know. I don't use hfs. way back in the dark ages, write support was unstable, but it's been so long since I cared..... |
| 06:35.47 | kevix | Dwonis: "Free culture" is about freedom, too. |
| 06:35.49 | Azar | thanks guys, I read The Cathedral and The Bazaar two years ago, by that time I was a newbie and did not know the exact definition of Free Software |
| 06:35.50 | punsad | i'm tempted to include it in the kernel since i suppose it would make things more secure (?) |
| 06:35.55 | Edgardoweb | wazaaaa |
| 06:36.08 | tarzeau | peterS: hfs or hfs+? |
| 06:36.16 | peterS | tarzeau: both |
| 06:36.18 | Azar | Edgardoweb: for spanish use #debian-es por favor |
| 06:36.19 | Dwonis | kevix: you mean Lessig's book? I have it (courtesy of the FSF, or possibly the EFF, I think)... haven't gotten around to reading it yet |
| 06:36.20 | peterS | tarzeau: but he's using hfs |
| 06:36.30 | tarzeau | peterS: i haven't seen any improvements. hfs+ is horrible, that's why we still can't look at .dmgs |
| 06:36.45 | tarzeau | peterS: i even managed to screw hfs (mac os, right)? |
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| 06:36.56 | tarzeau | and that wasn't so many years ago |
| 06:36.57 | peterS | tarzeau: his drive was formatted under OS X, yes |
| 06:37.00 | kevix | Dwonis: yup. I just attended a lecture at NYU about things related to it. |
| 06:37.07 | karma | peterS: Okay, so I see some files, but I actually can't read them |
| 06:37.24 | meeps | <Dwonis> Azar: Read "The Cathedral and The Bazaar", "Open source" is about a development methodology, and the open-source definition is merely a list of things that Bruce Perens thought were needed to enable that methodology |
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| 06:37.28 | meeps | ^ does this suggest community? |
| 06:37.35 | peterS | karma: I wonder if that's a filesystem issue or a umask issue. the default mount umask for hfs might be screwed up, wouldn't completely surprise me |
| 06:37.36 | meeps | and contribution? or not, i thought it did. |
| 06:37.56 | karma | peterS: The only file I can read is this thing called "ReadMe" which says that "This hard drisk is formatted with Mac OS Extended Format" |
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| 06:38.00 | karma | Does that mean it's HFS+? |
| 06:38.06 | tarzeau | meeps: how can you contribute to something that's open source but not free? |
| 06:38.08 | peterS | karma: aha, yeah, that probably means HFS+ |
| 06:38.10 | Dwonis | meeps: I think so. It's been a while since I read CatB. |
| 06:38.13 | zOrK | Does anybody have a HP pavilion zd8000 laptop? :-P |
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| 06:38.14 | meeps | mm |
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| 06:38.18 | kevix | meeps: free software created a community. open source creates business oportunities. |
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| 06:38.20 | zOrK | I have some troubles shooting Gentoo |
| 06:38.21 | peterS | karma: which tarzeau claims sucks in linux, so hmm. |
| 06:38.25 | meeps | ok |
| 06:38.28 | meeps | now i understand |
| 06:38.30 | karma | peterS: Just reading even? |
| 06:38.33 | dondelelcaro | zOrK: uh... #gentoo is over there... |
| 06:38.37 | meeps | my appologies tarzeau im still quite new to the opensource "community" |
| 06:38.39 | peterS | karma: don't know |
| 06:38.54 | zOrK | Oh, I thought I was on Linux chan :P, sorry ;) |
| 06:39.09 | peterS | zOrK: yeah we don't shoot gentoo here, we just replace it |
| 06:39.11 | meeps | i never realised you could have opensource things that arent free. |
| 06:39.14 | zOrK | hahahaha |
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| 06:39.18 | Dwonis | kevix: yes, but open source (at least as described by ESR in CatB) is *about* the community, whereas free software results in (and needs) a community, but that's somewhat incidental |
| 06:39.19 | zOrK | k |
| 06:39.25 | meeps | But now thinking about it, opensource actually means "the source code is available for modification" |
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| 06:39.26 | peterS | meeps: it's all a matter of definition. not everyone agrees what 'open source' means, or what 'free' means. |
| 06:39.33 | karma | peterS: Okay, well, how do I change mount to tell it to mount HFS+ instead? Do I have to uunmount it first? |
| 06:39.33 | meeps | :) |
| 06:39.39 | meeps | peterS are i see |
| 06:39.42 | meeps | *ahh |
| 06:39.44 | peterS | meeps: some people use 'open source' in a much more specific meaning than just 'source exists for the public' |
| 06:39.55 | peterS | karma: yeah, unmount, then say 'hfsplus' instead of 'hfs' |
| 06:39.58 | meeps | yes thats what i originally thought peterS |
| 06:40.01 | tarzeau | meeps: no some really call looking at the souce open source, without a word about the license (nor right to modify it) |
| 06:40.03 | Dwonis | kevix: In the GNU Manifesto, RMS suggested having a "software tax" to develop free software. This suggests that he didn't think that the community would be large enough on its own. |
| 06:40.06 | meeps | but now i see its actualy more complex than that. |
| 06:40.13 | zOrK | yep |
| 06:40.13 | userbn | hi |
| 06:40.19 | tarzeau | meeps: and that can't even be distributed in debian main |
| 06:40.26 | meeps | hehhh |
| 06:40.26 | karma | peterS: I try "umount /dev/sdb9" but it says the devicec is busy? |
| 06:40.27 | meeps | oh my |
| 06:40.28 | Dwonis | kevix: Thanks to the internet, and a whole bunch of programmers, it turns out that no such tax is even necessary |
| 06:40.35 | karma | "umount: /mnt: device is busy" |
| 06:40.36 | meeps | i understand tarzeau |
| 06:40.45 | peterS | karma: 'umount /mnt'. also, make sure it's not the current directory of any shell windows |
| 06:40.48 | meeps | so basically even opensource itself has been "corrupted by profit" :D |
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| 06:40.58 | meeps | personal opinion of mine ofc |
| 06:41.10 | kevix | Dwonis: the internet is the medium that is enabling lots of movements: ours included. |
| 06:41.10 | zOrK | It should have some kind of Tax or minimun price per free software, or as Limewire does it, Have a "paid version without spam" and a "no pay version with spam" :P |
| 06:41.17 | Weezle | can you mount an mdf iso? |
| 06:41.21 | Dwonis | kevix: right |
| 06:41.29 | meeps | ouch zork that sounds terrible |
| 06:41.34 | peterS | meeps: the Open Source Initiative once tried to create a trademark "Open Source", but they failed to register it as it was too generic and I think they also missed a filing deadline somewhere |
| 06:41.39 | meeps | opensource and spam , to me sound like two seperate things |
| 06:41.40 | kevix | zOrK: like opera did.... x-) |
| 06:41.42 | zOrK | not at all |
| 06:41.47 | tarzeau | zOrK: what about the songs i can't find in limewire? |
| 06:41.50 | userbn | hi |
| 06:41.51 | zOrK | oh, yeah, but those EXAGERATE banners |
| 06:41.53 | peterS | meeps: if they'd gotten it, they could have enforced that when you say 'open source' you really do mean 'according to the Open Source Definition' |
| 06:42.03 | zOrK | Spam like Google ADS |
| 06:42.03 | meeps | peterS ive noticed in all trades usually profiteering reaches even the most voluntary of work |
| 06:42.04 | tarzeau | zOrK: what about the songs i can't even find on online cd shops? or other shops that i want to buy? |
| 06:42.15 | michal_ | peterS, just wanted to mention it wasn't memory. seemed to be a problem with the latest debian kernel. the one before it doesn't crash when building the kernel. |
| 06:42.16 | karma | peterS: It worked! it's not copying data over to sda! Thanks!!!! |
| 06:42.28 | zOrK | Use another P2P |
| 06:42.29 | peterS | karma: heh |
| 06:42.30 | zOrK | :-D |
| 06:42.36 | userbn | hi |
| 06:42.38 | karma | Apparently HFS+ read support is fine |
| 06:42.39 | zOrK | you've 230230230238923892382399238892389238923983289 choices to download from :D |
| 06:42.41 | peterS | michal_: interesting, the symptoms sounded a lot like flaky memory |
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| 06:42.53 | userbn | hi |
| 06:42.58 | tarzeau | zOrK: you can find me a song? |
| 06:43.02 | michal_ | peterS, perhaps it was a fault in the paging support in the kernel |
| 06:43.04 | zOrK | off course, which one? |
| 06:43.06 | tarzeau | zOrK: otherwise i have to send a snail mail letter with 8 euro to a foreign country to get it, and it'll take ages |
| 06:43.06 | meeps | its ironic to me that the most voluntary of works, are met with involuntary expectations such as distribution restrictions and trademarks |
| 06:43.22 | meeps | or at least an attempt at it :D |
| 06:43.27 | meeps | real interesting stuff guys |
| 06:43.29 | zOrK | I think Torvalds should put spam troughtout his kernel's code :D |
| 06:43.29 | zOrK | ahahah |
| 06:43.34 | peterS | michal_: or possibly hardware settings where one kernel was correctly managing, for example, the main PCI bridge, so that it didn't corrupt memory in passing |
| 06:44.12 | kevix | meeps: we have been conditioned by capitalism and media conglomerates that sharing is bad and everything cost $$ |
| 06:44.28 | Dwonis | The problem with the open source definition is that some people/companies don't realize that just being "open source" often doesn't mean that the terms will be embraced by the community. |
| 06:44.34 | Dwonis | e.g. XFree86 |
| 06:44.34 | meeps | kevix |
| 06:44.38 | michal_ | peterS, that's too esoteric for me to diagnose. my motherboard is a high quality one though.. intel 865gbf.. very well supported for a very long time |
| 06:44.49 | meeps | whhen infact sharing with those who have much to share and much to gain is infact just as beneficial for both sides. |
| 06:44.53 | meeps | I couldnt agree more kevix |
| 06:45.05 | peterS | michal_: yeah, it would surprise me for a kernel bug to cause hardware problems on something as standard as that. but you never know. |
| 06:45.13 | liable | bah, any 3d shits make my screen go garbled/scratchy and flake out :( |
| 06:45.14 | meeps | Thats the philosophy of unix really in itself. to me. maybe not to the lawyers and the people responsible for the licensing laws for unix |
| 06:45.27 | peterS | Dwonis: like Affero? |
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| 06:45.35 | meeps | unix is a philosophy :D |
| 06:45.39 | zOrK | I'd like to see what could happen if Apache switch to Creative commons licence :DD |
| 06:45.42 | zOrK | It would be niiiicee |
| 06:45.44 | peterS | the dude just tried to paste a UF cartoon, I think |
| 06:45.46 | zOrK | nicely nicely nicely :D |
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| 06:45.49 | vinay_ | hi |
| 06:45.49 | Edgardoweb | * - |
| 06:45.55 | zOrK | to break down the capitalism |
| 06:45.59 | Dwonis | peterS: I dunno much about Affero, but if it's GPL-incompatible, then yes. |
| 06:46.01 | peterS | zOrK: you don't like the existing apache license? |
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| 06:46.34 | meeps | hmm strange zOrK.. a lot of people make vast amounts of money using apache |
| 06:46.34 | liable | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 06:46.41 | peterS | the existing apache license is free, the existing creative commons licenses aren't, so I think I like apache the way it is |
| 06:46.42 | meeps | whats wrong with the license? |
| 06:46.42 | zOrK | No, just that, Lots of companies uses Apache and they even't think to donate US $1 |
| 06:46.55 | meeps | zork true enough |
| 06:47.02 | meeps | thats what happens though when you provide stuff for free |
| 06:47.06 | zOrK | nothing wrong, Just creative commons says "Dont use for COMMERCIAL puroposes" |
| 06:47.07 | meeps | people *expect* it |
| 06:47.12 | zOrK | That's the reason what I am saying it.. |
| 06:47.19 | zOrK | Hundres of Hosting companies.. |
| 06:47.25 | peterS | wtf, creative commons have licenses that restrict *uses*? that's way screwed up |
| 06:47.25 | meeps | yeaa |
| 06:47.31 | zOrK | It would be a dissaster!!!! |
| 06:47.32 | vinay_ | I need help with xorg.conf. X - configure does not detect my mouse and the xorg.conf stops X from working |
| 06:47.37 | meeps | heh |
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| 06:47.39 | entuall | hello |
| 06:47.40 | meeps | yeah if apache started charging |
| 06:47.44 | meeps | a lot of companies would go under |
| 06:47.46 | meeps | thats true enough |
| 06:48.18 | mortal__ | I have tried everything but I haven't been able to fix that "fixed" font problem with the new Xorg 7 |
| 06:48.20 | zOrK | yup |
| 06:48.24 | mortal__ | and xfs doesn't even want to work |
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| 06:48.44 | elPepo | hi friends.. |
| 06:48.47 | kevix | meeps: check out: http://www.nyu.edu/fas/institute/nyih/public/upcoming.html |
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| 06:49.36 | elPepo | please, in networking which is the main difference between switch and bridge? |
| 06:49.44 | vinay_ | Does anyone know how to configure Logitech MX1000 on USB on Xorg? |
| 06:50.11 | peterS | vinay_: should be fully automatic, as in, not any different from any other USB mice |
| 06:50.42 | peterS | vinay_: run 'lsmod' and make sure you have the 'usbhid' and 'mousedev' kernel modules loaded |
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| 06:52.31 | vinay_ | usbhid however mousedev is not showing |
| 06:52.57 | vinay_ | i'm incorrect both are displayed |
| 06:52.58 | peterS | vinay_: it should be. load it with 'modprobe mousedev' |
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| 06:53.04 | liable | deadcat: you still awake? |
| 06:53.31 | peterS | vinay_: ok so also make sure your USB motherboard chip's driver is loaded. this will be either 'uhci_hcd' or 'ohci_hcd' |
| 06:53.35 | Gumby | I know this isnt a debian related question, but does anyone here know of a command line tool that will help me rename mp3's off of a ipod (ie: dfgcs.mp3) to a format of Artist/Album/SongNumber-SongName.mp3 |
| 06:53.54 | peterS | vinay_: if neither is loaded and you aren't sure which one you have, run 'lspci -v | awk /USB/{print $NF}' which will list your USB chip types |
| 06:54.16 | pilgrim | !args |
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| 06:54.21 | peterS | errr, put the quotes in a different place: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 06:54.29 | pilgrim | !main |
| 06:54.29 | dpkg | methinks main is a topic that doesn't work. |
| 06:54.34 | tarzeau | i love #debian |
| 06:54.52 | liable | !aww |
| 06:54.52 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 06:54.53 | pilgrim | !sorry wrong room :P |
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| 06:55.04 | tarzeau | btw which terminals support aa fonts? |
| 06:55.07 | peterS | Gumby: yes, it's a debian question, and the answer is "apt-cache search mp3 tag rename" |
| 06:55.14 | tarzeau | or truetype fonts |
| 06:55.21 | azeem | tarzeau: xterm |
| 06:55.28 | azeem | gnome-terminal, konsole (I guess) |
| 06:55.45 | tarzeau | azeem: xterm does? how can i tell it to use a ttf font? |
| 06:55.49 | meeps | bbiab guys :) |
| 06:55.50 | meeps | thanks again |
| 06:55.52 | vinay_ | USB controller is loaded. I think the problem is my xorg.conf because, it tells me that it cannot find the mouse |
| 06:56.06 | vinay_ | however, the built in default configuration somehow finds a mouse and i'm in X now |
| 06:56.15 | azeem | tarzeau: no idea, but I saw it mentioned |
| 06:56.20 | azeem | tarzeau: man xterm, and have fun reading :) |
| 06:56.27 | peterS | tarzeau: in a font resource you use some syntax like 'xft:whatever'. the exact syntax I do not know but it's related to xft, not directly related to xterm |
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| 06:56.41 | tarzeau | peterS: ok thanks |
| 06:56.56 | tarzeau | azeem: i guess i need a newer xterm than the one in sarge? |
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| 06:57.05 | peterS | tarzeau: no, sarge xterm supports xft |
| 06:57.05 | azeem | hrm, not sure |
| 06:57.36 | johnl | tarzeau, why do you want blurry fonts? ;) |
| 06:58.04 | tarzeau | nile: i don't want. i just was curious. i just looked at Terminal.app and noticed how beautiful it is |
| 06:58.05 | vinay_ | peterS: Any ideas on how i can get the built in default configuration and edit my xorg.conf |
| 06:58.28 | nile | tarzeau, as in OS X's terminal? or as in the GNUstep terminal? |
| 06:58.43 | tarzeau | nile: GNUstep one, but i'd like it be more like the OPENSTEP one |
| 06:59.07 | tarzeau | nile: but terminal.app(gnustep) is like fully xterm compatible which is great |
| 06:59.18 | tarzeau | nile: and i love the meta-n key |
| 06:59.35 | peterS | vinay_: well, what you want is for the mouse device to be /dev/input/mice and the protocol to be ExplorerPS/2, that's the main part |
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| 07:00.13 | nile | tarzeau, sorry, what's meta-n do? |
| 07:00.25 | tarzeau | nile: new windows |
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| 07:00.39 | tarzeau | nile: actually more generally: new documents |
| 07:00.42 | vinay_ | peterS: I'll go try this out see what happens |
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| 07:03.36 | nile | 3/quit |
| 07:03.40 | nile | heh... |
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| 07:06.18 | Azar | dondelelcaro: finally I found a clear article about free software vs open source: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/KW2dwDGbQ3dGkS/Richard-Stallman-Sets-the-Free-Software-Record-Straight.xhtml |
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| 07:06.52 | Gumby | peterS: great, thx for the info. I've found mp3rename which seems to be close, but not quite. It doesnt seem to have the ability to create directories |
| 07:08.13 | peterS | Azar: with a title like that, you will be getting a pretty one-sided picture, but I guess it's better than nothing |
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| 07:09.12 | peterS | Azar: I say that because Stallman is not only not an 'open source' person, he's actively antagonistic toward 'open source' |
| 07:09.27 | eleftherios | peterS, as far as I know this is an issue that does not have 'sides'. It is just a clarification of why the GNU people prefer the term 'free software' over 'open source'. |
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| 07:09.41 | Azar | peterS: I understand is Stallman's point of view, but I am flexible and I get the big picture |
| 07:10.05 | peterS | eleftherios: that's part of the difference of opinion, though - whether it *is* just about a label or whether there are deeper principles |
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| 07:11.11 | eleftherios | peterS, if you put it that way then, yes. But I think every name/label conveys a meaning. |
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| 07:12.15 | peterS | eleftherios: it's actually RMS who brought "sides" into it, as far as I can tell. the open source people (raymond and perens, I guess) said "hey let's start calling it open source" and at that point I don't think anyone saw it as two separate camps. but RMS is quite clear that he's on one side and they're on another |
| 07:12.35 | SonnyBurnett | hi, does I have to generate my ssh key as root? or as a single user? |
| 07:12.50 | jm_ | it depends on which SSH key you're talking about |
| 07:12.58 | jm_ | either way, you can run ssh-keygen as user |
| 07:13.01 | peterS | SonnyBurnett: you can generate a key as any user. take reasonable precautions not to let the private key get into the wrong hands, just as you do with passwords |
| 07:13.03 | liable | and for what purpose |
| 07:13.43 | nile | peterS, weren't Perens+Raymond just trying to make it more appealing to businesses who didn't like the term 'free'? |
| 07:14.20 | Azar | I read a bit about RMS and frankly I was not very enthousiastic about his style. |
| 07:14.42 | peterS | nile: they wanted it to sound better, yes. I don't think they meant to create a split with the FSF. so now, whether or not there *are* deep philosophical differences between the two groups is still a matter of opinion, not historical fact |
| 07:14.42 | nile | Azar, you mean being Totally Hardcore? ;) |
| 07:15.21 | Azar | nile I see Stallman defending his views a bit strong, but I tend to like him more than RMS |
| 07:15.28 | peterS | nile: well, like how he badgered liz coolbaugh of LWN when he met her in person, asking why it wasn't the GNU/Linux Weekly News |
| 07:15.32 | nile | peterS, well, let me ask you this: Linux, or GNU/Linux? ;) |
| 07:15.33 | kevix | nile: exactly, the board rooms dont like seeming guys in t-shirts as something to bank capital on. |
| 07:15.36 | azeem | Azar: eh, RMS is Stallman |
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| 07:15.46 | eleftherios | peterS, he believes there is a good reason for making the clarification and this is why he is so verbal about it |
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| 07:16.19 | Azar | azeem errr I ment ESR not RMS |
| 07:16.24 | peterS | eleftherios: still, that's why you can't get an idea of the whole ecosystem by just reading an interview with Stallman. because his opinion that it even *is* two separate movements is not universal |
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| 07:16.57 | peterS | a lot of people still say it's two names for the same thing, and I don't think RMS has the authority to tell them they're wrong |
| 07:17.02 | eleftherios | peterS, you mean not everyone shares his point of view. That's a given for almost any matter. |
| 07:17.27 | nile | well, I don't think you can blame him for being verbal about it. he got the "linus torvalds" award, after all |
| 07:17.28 | eleftherios | peterS, he is expressing his opinion, it is not a matter of authority. |
| 07:17.58 | peterS | eleftherios: it is if someone reads an article called "stallman sets the record straight on open source / free software" and assumes he's getting the whole picture |
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| 07:18.25 | eleftherios | nile, regarding your question, you certainly can't call Debian 'linux' because there is a fully working version of Debian (which will soon be official) that doesn't contain 'linux' at all. Plese |
| 07:18.32 | kevix | peterS: there was a thread in debian-users about why people use debian and while most said the dfsg and freedom, there were some that didn't and just like the techincal and gratis parts and that is the difference. |
| 07:18.34 | eleftherios | please look at Debian gnu/kbsd :-) |
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| 07:18.40 | Azar | I find Stallman more eloquent on describing the movement, esr is confusing and snubbish for me |
| 07:18.49 | azeem | esr is irrelevant today |
| 07:19.02 | Azar | azeem: I noticed |
| 07:19.04 | nile | Azar, ESR is pretty wild: http://esr.ibiblio.org/ |
| 07:19.08 | peterS | eleftherios: well, come back when it actually ships. we thought we might have debian gnu/hurd 5 years ago but look, we didn't |
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| 07:19.49 | eleftherios | peterS, that's a fault on the side of the person who makes the assumtion. I may read an article 'dolls of new york' and assume that all people are dolls in NY. That's my fault and no one else's :-) |
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| 07:20.11 | Azar | nile I was into osi few years ago... |
| 07:20.13 | eleftherios | peterS, it is a fully working system, with X.org |
| 07:20.20 | ChrisW | hi, I've got a box here which has a load over 1 but no apparent CPU or memory hogs, how to I diagnose whassup with it? |
| 07:20.27 | peterS | eleftherios: come back when it actually ships |
| 07:20.39 | eleftherios | peterS, http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 07:20.42 | peterS | eleftherios: come back when it actually ships |
| 07:20.45 | azeem | eleftherios: we got your point |
| 07:21.00 | azeem | kfreebsd-i386 won't be in for etch, but maybe for etch+1 |
| 07:21.12 | jm_ | ChrisW: why do you think load is only affected by CPU usage? |
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| 07:21.42 | ChrisW | jm_: I don't, I'm offering symptoms and seeking a "what do I do next?" type response... |
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| 07:22.41 | kevix | ChrisW: try see what 'top' say |
| 07:22.48 | ChrisW | not much |
| 07:22.55 | ChrisW | load is hovering around 1 |
| 07:22.55 | Azar | ram ram ram ram swap swap swap :) |
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| 07:23.03 | jm_ | ChrisW: ok, for your info - processes doing I/O also affect the load |
| 07:23.13 | ChrisW | Azar: yeah, but there's nothing using much memory either ;-) |
| 07:23.27 | ChrisW | jm_: I'm aware of that, how can I check if that's the case here? |
| 07:23.41 | ChrisW | I'd expect the load on this box to be 0 right now :-S |
| 07:23.58 | Azar | ChrisW: I just read an article yesterday about the downside of multicore, very good article, also: some people think swap is not needed.. |
| 07:24.08 | jm_ | ChrisW: ps, look for processes in the right state |
| 07:24.16 | peterS | ChrisW: well, there's that one number-crunching app I'm running on your box ever since I hax0red you |
| 07:24.17 | ChrisW | "right state"? |
| 07:24.35 | ChrisW | peterS: yeah, I don't doubt it... would you mind stopping? ;-) |
| 07:25.06 | Azar | ChrisW: toilet reading: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 07:25.22 | jm_ | yes, man ps will tell you which state is for I/O |
| 07:25.27 | peterS | ChrisW: ehh, I forgot the password I set up for myself on your box, could you just /msg me your root password? thanks |
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| 07:26.25 | ChrisW | ah, looks like /etc/cron.daily/find is doing it ;-) |
| 07:26.30 | pingu | Where would be the right place to get help on building debian packages? |
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| 07:26.45 | peterS | pingu: start by reading everything useful at http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 07:26.46 | azeem | pingu: here or in #debian-mentors, if that exists |
| 07:26.49 | peterS | pingu: that'll take you awhile (: |
| 07:27.01 | pingu | peterS, I've read quite a bit. |
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| 07:27.13 | pingu | But I have a question I think is a matter of experience. |
| 07:27.21 | kevix | !info mentors |
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| 07:27.27 | peterS | ask and we'll tell you if you're right |
| 07:27.37 | pingu | Uh. Ok. |
| 07:27.50 | pingu | This package needs to run a command to initialise the source tree. |
| 07:27.54 | pingu | (phpize) |
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| 07:28.08 | pingu | In order to be ready to build. |
| 07:28.15 | pingu | This creates the makefile. |
| 07:28.27 | azeem | that sounds pretty normal |
| 07:28.30 | vinay | peterS: Hi, the mouse works i belive however my monitor configuration is not working at all |
| 07:28.47 | mortal__ | what could be the problem, I keep getting "cursor font not found" from Xorg 7 in sid |
| 07:28.50 | peterS | pingu: gee, that already sounds like fun |
| 07:28.54 | pingu | I however need to edit the makefile to get it to install to destdir. |
| 07:28.56 | mortal__ | and I have tried like everything |
| 07:29.12 | pingu | So, I'm wondering if it's the kind of thing that goes into debian/rules |
| 07:29.20 | pingu | Then have some evil sed's in there. |
| 07:29.25 | pingu | Which definately sounds very wrong. |
| 07:29.30 | peterS | pingu: normal procedure is to see if you can figure out what is generating the makefile and how to edit *that* to add $(DESTDIR) to the right places |
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| 07:29.50 | pingu | peterS, phpize is doing that. |
| 07:29.57 | pingu | Which, before an hour ago I had never heard of :\ |
| 07:30.01 | vinay | peterS: The screen becomes pixilated with green and blue. And is completely unusable. I tried to add mode 1600 X 1200. No luck |
| 07:30.20 | yxa | hi where can I get a copy of .config for the stock 2.4.27-2 kernel(sarge) ? |
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| 07:30.24 | peterS | pingu: if it's something you don't control, like something internal to phpize, then you kinda have to use the ugly sed thing |
| 07:30.28 | kevix | !info hello-debhelper |
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| 07:30.41 | azeem | pingu: phpize is shipped in a different package, i.e. you Build-Depend on it? |
| 07:30.52 | pingu | Well, yes. When I get to that. |
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| 07:31.05 | peterS | many 'generate a makefile' systems have a makefile template of some sort, that you can edit for this sort of thing. but perhaps phpize doesn't |
| 07:31.07 | pingu | it comes with php4/5-dev |
| 07:31.21 | pingu | phpize has one usefull option. |
| 07:31.22 | pingu | --clean |
| 07:31.26 | pingu | Not very usefull :\ |
| 07:31.38 | jm_ | yxa: in /boot |
| 07:31.42 | kevix | !dpkg hello-debhelper |
| 07:31.42 | peterS | pingu: of course, the other alternative is not to use 'make install' at all but just copy stuff yourself, using debian/filename.install and dh_install |
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| 07:31.58 | pingu | You lost me there peterS. |
| 07:32.13 | yxa | jm_ thanks. |
| 07:32.23 | azeem | normally, you use dh_install to move stuff from the staging area at debian/tmp to debian/<package> |
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| 07:32.39 | peterS | pingu: $(DESTDIR) only matters for 'make install'. you can skip that entirely if you just want to copy files right out of the source tree into debian/foo/usr/*, which is easiest to accomplish using dh_install and the debian/foo.install file |
| 07:32.44 | azeem | you can use dh_install to install stuff from the main source/buildtree to debian/<package> directly as well |
| 07:32.56 | kevix | azeem: would the 'hello-debhelper' package be helpful? |
| 07:33.05 | azeem | kevix: helpful for what? |
| 07:33.08 | pingu | peterS, so I don't get to make a propper source package? |
| 07:33.13 | pingu | and dpkg-buildpkg it? |
| 07:33.20 | peterS | pingu: debian/rules would call dh_install |
| 07:33.20 | azeem | pingu: that is unrelated |
| 07:33.22 | kevix | azeem: to learn about debhelper? |
| 07:33.30 | azeem | kevix: I don't know |
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| 07:33.42 | peterS | kevix: if you want to learn debhelper, start with 'man 7 debhelper' and go from there |
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| 07:34.04 | yxa | jm_ you have any idea what is a "preemptive patch" ? |
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| 07:34.13 | kevix | peterS: I was asking if pingu may find it helpful? |
| 07:34.15 | pingu | I'm rather lost here. This is for building the package. |
| 07:34.25 | pingu | kevix, I'll give it a look :) |
| 07:34.31 | azeem | pingu: I think you should start reading basic documentation |
| 07:34.39 | jm_ | yxa: it's used to increase responsiveness for desktop systems |
| 07:34.44 | peterS | pingu: if you don't even know what dh_install or debhelper are ... you haven't done much packaging, have you? |
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| 07:34.53 | pingu | peterS, not from scratch, no. |
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| 07:35.04 | pingu | I never said I did, did I? |
| 07:35.07 | peterS | pingu: well, even modifying existing packages, you should have run into a lot of dh_* scripts |
| 07:35.09 | yxa | jm_ i'm not running a desktop. do I need that or any other patches? |
| 07:35.15 | azeem | pingu: you didn't |
| 07:35.31 | azeem | pingu: start with the new maintainer's guide, if that still exists |
| 07:35.35 | peterS | pingu: debhelper is a collection of scripts that make creating debian packages a lot easier and less error-prone than not using them |
| 07:35.38 | pingu | I'm reading that now azeem. |
| 07:35.40 | jm_ | yxa: I don't know, it's up to you - in general, follow this rule: if you don't know what it is or what it does, don't use it |
| 07:35.55 | kevix | yxa: iirc its used for sound and video apps that want more responsive kernel |
| 07:36.01 | pingu | Ok, I'm not asking for details here. |
| 07:36.14 | pingu | I'm just wondering what the propper way of going about this strange build method is. |
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| 07:36.27 | Azar | hmm the way I know it, Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge" is not using a 2.6.16 kernel "by default", right? |
| 07:36.27 | azeem | pingu: we told you |
| 07:36.33 | pingu | dh_install? |
| 07:36.41 | azeem | pingu: dh_install is one way around it |
| 07:36.45 | peterS | pingu: so anyway, you can either do a sed transform on the generated makefile, at build time, or you can skip the 'make install' by copying stuff around manually. the latter is easiest to accomplish using dh_install. |
| 07:36.48 | azeem | using sed is certainly another |
| 07:36.54 | kevix | pingu: you can also download a similar debian source packages and examine it. |
| 07:36.56 | peterS | pingu: which turns out to be easier is something you'll have to figure out on your own |
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| 07:37.06 | Azar | azeem, right? |
| 07:37.18 | tarzeau | Azar: 2.6.16 is not in sarge, no |
| 07:37.20 | azeem | pingu: or you could generate the Makefile locally once, modify it, ship it in debian/ in the source package and then copy it over during the build |
| 07:37.30 | azeem | pingu: there's no elegant solution here, I'm afraid |
| 07:37.32 | Azar | tarzeau then this article misleads people |
| 07:37.40 | Azar | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9348649979.html |
| 07:37.41 | pingu | azeem, this doesn't seem that uh, foward compatible. |
| 07:37.41 | azeem | Azar: right about what? |
| 07:37.51 | pingu | As phpize generates the makefile based on your version of php. |
| 07:37.53 | pingu | Or so it seems. |
| 07:38.06 | tarzeau | Azar: yes it's wrong |
| 07:38.07 | pingu | So I'm thinking the makefile is rather integral. |
| 07:38.12 | peterS | azeem: well, the elegant solution would be to figure out why phpize is producing inconvenient makefiles, and whether *that* can be fixed |
| 07:38.23 | azeem | peterS: sure, but it would involve touching php |
| 07:38.28 | azeem | well, I guess pingu does that already |
| 07:38.28 | peterS | azeem: good point. never mind. |
| 07:38.35 | pingu | azeem, I try not to. |
| 07:38.44 | pingu | This is from a serving PHP side. |
| 07:38.47 | pingu | Not a writing it. |
| 07:38.49 | liable | is there a graphics card testing/debugging app? |
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| 07:38.56 | azeem | pingu: check php{4,5}-dev whether a bug report about this exists, and maybe file one |
| 07:38.59 | peterS | azeem: so I guess you tell your favorite php comaintainer to do that, then. and everyone's favorite php comaintainer is vorlon. |
| 07:39.00 | pingu | liable, glxinfo? |
| 07:39.20 | hcy | anyone know of a standalone flash player that can play .flv files, in linux? something i can apt-get ? |
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| 07:39.30 | pingu | hcy, I'm pretty sure there is one. |
| 07:39.38 | liable | pingu: nah, my card/scree poo's itself when any 3d stuff runs |
| 07:39.47 | tarzeau | hcy: mplayer maybe? |
| 07:39.48 | nile | hcy, apt-cache search macromedia |
| 07:39.58 | nile | maybe |
| 07:40.02 | hcy | tarzeau: mplayer doesn't do it |
| 07:40.06 | deadcat | liable: what up. |
| 07:40.06 | pingu | liable, Xorg log? |
| 07:40.10 | deadcat | still awake (= |
| 07:40.13 | tarzeau | hcy: what says file about the .flv? |
| 07:40.20 | tarzeau | liable: what are you trying to debug test? |
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| 07:40.26 | pingu | Thanks azeem, peterS. I guess I'm sed's bitch :( |
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| 07:40.38 | hcy | tarzeau: file says: Macromedia Flash Video |
| 07:40.40 | liable | deadcat: did your screen flake out when 3d stuff runs? |
| 07:40.44 | deadcat | nope |
| 07:40.47 | deadcat | works fine |
| 07:41.09 | liable | tarzeau: my screen goes scratchy then flickers when i start any 3d shits |
| 07:41.13 | peterS | pingu: there are worse things to be. you could be using 'php-cli' as your scripting language |
| 07:41.21 | liable | pingu: nothing in log |
| 07:41.27 | deadcat | liable: oh. i mean in 6.9. 7.0 never started. startx didnt go no where. |
| 07:41.35 | cmatheson | hey, i'm trying to help my dad do some work that he generally uses procomm plus for (i'm using telnet on linux). trying to connect to a phone-switch, but for some reason it's not working w/ telnet. it seems to not be catching the ^C or ^Z keypresses for some reason. does that sound right? |
| 07:41.42 | pingu | liable, dmesg? |
| 07:41.44 | deadcat | liable: although this is ppc though |
| 07:41.44 | pingu | What card? |
| 07:41.53 | liable | radeon 7500 |
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| 07:42.03 | jm_ | cmatheson: you can easily send those keys with telnet |
| 07:42.15 | kevix | !dpkg 6.9 |
| 07:42.19 | peterS | cmatheson: what do you want ^C and ^Z to do? you want those to be sent to the phone switch, or you want telnet to respond to them locally? |
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| 07:42.23 | pingu | cmatheson, what do you mean using telnet on linux? |
| 07:42.30 | hcy | nile: apt-cache only shows libraries, and a couple of mozilla plugins. i would like a standalone player, that can handle these new .flv files that my browser (with the plugin) says requires the new 8.0 macromedia player. |
| 07:42.33 | pingu | As in, telnetting into a telnted? |
| 07:42.38 | pingu | Or, telnetting into something strange? |
| 07:42.48 | cmatheson | peterS: i want the switch to get that.. shouldn't it normally though if i don't hit ^] |
| 07:42.57 | kevix | liable: did you search the wiki for the 6.9->7.0 upgrade guide? |
| 07:43.01 | liable | tarzeau: so i dunno if its my card or xorg |
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| 07:43.12 | Miscz | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 07:43.16 | Miscz | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 07:43.16 | deadcat | again? |
| 07:43.17 | peterS | cmatheson: normally that just works |
| 07:43.18 | Miscz | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 07:43.18 | cmatheson | pingu: er, i'm running telnet off my linux box here |
| 07:43.20 | Miscz | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 07:43.22 | liable | !ops Miscz |
| 07:43.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Miscz |
| 07:43.24 | Miscz | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 07:43.27 | cmatheson | peterS: that's what i thought... crazy |
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| 07:43.37 | jpa | hi all |
| 07:43.39 | nile | hcy, have you tried flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 07:43.43 | deadcat | that site suck.. no nude shits |
| 07:44.00 | hcy | nile: yeah, i already have that |
| 07:44.05 | Kinks | nudity is usually quite boring. |
| 07:44.06 | jpa | hi all |
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| 07:44.28 | jpa | tried to install "toshiba_acpi" package on a machine where toshiba_acpi module cant be loaded (wrong bios): http://pastebin.com/695696 |
| 07:44.39 | jpa | but I *cant* desinstall that package now :-( |
| 07:45.00 | jpa | tried echo "fnfxd deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections then apt-get -f install |
| 07:45.03 | jpa | no way |
| 07:45.06 | peterS | jpa: why not, did it say "what are you doing, dave? this is highly irregular" or what? |
| 07:45.08 | azeem | jpa: if you want to deinstall it, you should mention error messages |
| 07:45.27 | jpa | azeem, everything it on that pastebin page |
| 07:45.38 | azeem | that wasn't clear |
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| 07:45.54 | nile | peterS, lol :) |
| 07:46.03 | azeem | jpa: export LANG=C to get english error messages in the future, please |
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| 07:46.29 | yetistomps_ | i would like to get 3d acceleration on my debian box. How can I accomplish that? I did lscpi and I hve a Voodoo4 3dfx 32 meg video card. |
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| 07:46.38 | liable | lilo: mind klining 221.124.24.219?? |
| 07:46.54 | azeem | jpa: that paste seems to configure fnfx rather than remove it? |
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| 07:47.18 | jpa | yes it seems still want to install it |
| 07:47.25 | jpa | but look at line #1 |
| 07:47.25 | azeem | ah, fnfxd |
| 07:47.26 | peterS | jpa: I didn't read your paste, but why are you using dpkg --set-selections rather than just 'apt-get remove'? |
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| 07:47.31 | jpa | I want to remove it |
| 07:47.44 | azeem | jpa: well, add fnfxd to the command line |
| 07:47.45 | jpa | peterS, as I said, it doesnt work |
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| 07:47.50 | fredl | hello :) I'm trying to upgrade an old Debian unstable installation and it seems to be giving me problems on the xserver-xfree86 -> xserver-xorg package. |
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| 07:48.14 | liable | fredl: hehe, been a while?? |
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| 07:48.17 | atsi | hi |
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| 07:48.20 | brianski | howdy. how hard is it to upgrade from sarge to etch? how do i begin? just edit apt's configuration, update, upgrade, viola? |
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| 07:48.32 | peterS | brianski: dist-upgrade, not upgrade |
| 07:48.34 | cheal | !tell brianski about sarge->etch |
| 07:48.39 | azeem | brianski: first off, consider that you cannot downgrade back |
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| 07:48.49 | fredl | liable - you could say that yeah :P this is my wife's computer :) |
| 07:48.51 | brianski | peterS - ah-ha! thanks |
| 07:50.36 | peterS | brianski: dist-upgrade has a bit more willingness to substitute new package names in place of old |
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| 07:50.36 | azeem | aptitude might have even more |
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| 07:50.36 | jpa | new paste: http://pastebin.com/695701 |
| 07:50.37 | brianski | cool beans, thanks peters |
| 07:50.37 | jpa | I just cant remove _or_ install that package |
| 07:50.37 | atsi | i got a motherboard ASUS A7V600-X, and i have installed sarge 3.1r2 with linux26. my audio card is not working. anybody got any ideas on how to make it work? |
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| 07:50.37 | pingu | azeem, peterS one more silly question, why in debian/rules do we have the <action> referring <action>-stamp? |
| 07:50.37 | brianski | and thank you cheal |
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| 07:50.44 | pingu | None of the docs seem to mention it. |
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| 07:50.45 | azeem | jpa: whoa :) |
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| 07:50.48 | fredl | I don't really know why xserver-xorg fails to install.... |
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| 07:50.50 | peterS | pingu: that's an optimisation to prevent <action> from being rerun if it has already run once successfully. <action>-stamp creates a file, which 'make' can see as being up-to-date |
| 07:50.54 | azeem | pingu: to avoid redoing the target when you call dpkg-buildpackage again |
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| 07:51.30 | fredl | it says it's trying to convert the xserver-xfree86 config file and then fails. |
| 07:51.35 | peterS | pingu: for small packages that don't take very long to build, it's not worth the complexity |
| 07:51.35 | jpa | peterS, azeem ? |
| 07:52.04 | azeem | jpa: you'll have to edit /etc/init.d/fnfxd and/or the postinst and remove that /proc stuff |
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| 07:52.17 | pingu | Thanks :) |
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| 07:52.51 | liable | fredl: try moving the file elsewhere, though there has been plenty of bugs with sids x of late |
| 07:52.54 | fredl | is there any way to get a more descriptive error message from apt-get so I know what I can do about it? |
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| 07:53.18 | jpa | azeem, nice |
| 07:53.29 | fredl | liable - well it looks like the old file is no longer there, and there IS an xorg.conf now |
| 07:53.52 | jpa | azeem, I did comment start/stop commands in /etc/init.d/fnfxd (#start-stop-daemon) |
| 07:53.56 | fredl | but it still keeps trying to convert the old config file :/ |
| 07:54.01 | jpa | azeem, so fnfxd installed properly |
| 07:54.07 | jpa | now I'm gonna remove it |
| 07:54.11 | azeem | ok |
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| 07:54.28 | jpa | Removing fnfxd ... |
| 07:54.28 | jpa | Stopping Toshiba hotkeys utils: fnfxd. |
| 07:54.28 | jpa | Purging configuration files for fnfxd ... |
| 07:54.30 | fredl | liable - you know any way to find out where the error is coming from? |
| 07:54.30 | jpa | done ;-)) |
| 07:54.34 | jpa | thanks a lot azeem |
| 07:54.39 | azeem | cheers |
| 07:54.42 | peterS | yetistomps_: probably need to load the kernel module 'tdfx' and ... I'm not sure what else is required |
| 07:54.54 | peterS | yetistomps_: 'tdfx' is the kernel DRI component for the voodoo 3/4/5 |
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| 07:55.03 | liable | fredl: maybe try set -x on the script |
| 07:55.27 | fredl | liable - well how to I modify the pre-installation script then? |
| 07:55.31 | yetistomps_ | peterS, checking... what module is loaded atm |
| 07:55.36 | fredl | liable - I mean it's in the .deb right? |
| 07:55.50 | fredl | liable - or does it get unpacked somewhere? |
| 07:56.11 | liable | fredl: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 07:56.22 | yetistomps_ | tdfx 3840 1 |
| 07:56.23 | yetistomps_ | drm 58004 2 tdfx |
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| 07:56.26 | fredl | 'k lemme check |
| 07:56.32 | yetistomps_ | yup its loaded alright... |
| 07:56.38 | yetistomps_ | checking kernel... |
| 07:57.22 | peterS | yetistomps_: right, so that's loaded already ... X needs to use the 'tdfx' driver as well, but I suppose you're already doing that too |
| 07:57.23 | pingu | :( Anything you can use to remove the cruft generated by ./configure? |
| 07:57.30 | atsi | someone psease to help me with my audio card configuration? |
| 07:57.31 | fredl | liable - there's tons of /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg* files |
| 07:57.50 | peterS | pingu: 'make distclean' is the traditional way, see if your generated makefile supports that |
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| 07:58.07 | pingu | If it doesn't, it goes in the rules as an rm? |
| 07:58.11 | fredl | liable - *conffiles, *list, *md5sums |
| 07:58.12 | peterS | pingu: yep |
| 07:58.25 | yetistomps_ | peterS, its using the tdfx driver but according to glxinfo .. no 3d rendering. :-/ |
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| 07:58.40 | peterS | yetistomps_: well, read /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see if it yields any clues for why it is not using DRI |
| 07:58.44 | pingu | Thanks again. |
| 07:59.11 | meeps | oh well |
| 07:59.15 | meeps | without initrd i got a vfs panic :( |
| 07:59.31 | meeps | another 2 hours wasted hehhe :) |
| 08:00.40 | peterS | 7 months |
| 08:00.56 | brianski | really? it's not a "done when it's done" kinda thing? |
| 08:01.06 | yetistomps_ | peterS, hmm ..according to log: (II) TDFX(0): [DRI] installation complete |
| 08:01.07 | yetistomps_ | (==) TDFX(0): Direct rendering enabled |
| 08:01.17 | yetistomps_ | that's a lie ^ |
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| 08:01.25 | fredl | liable - are you still there? :) |
| 08:01.28 | yetistomps_ | glxgears is awfully....sloooow. |
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| 08:01.33 | peterS | brianski: |
| 08:01.35 | peterS | !etch pool 1 |
| 08:01.35 | dpkg | methinks etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home |
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| 08:02.13 | brianski | peters - what is that? |
| 08:02.23 | brianski | various folks's opinion on when? |
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| 08:02.26 | peterS | brianski: it is a pool where people are guessing the etch release date, we'll see who wins |
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| 08:02.34 | brianski | heh |
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| 08:02.54 | peterS | brianski: of course it will be "done when it's done", but the release managers have been very consistent over the past several months about planning how to hit the target date in early December of this year |
| 08:02.57 | terse | Hi, does anyone have experience with alsa/sb live issues and could help me find the problem? |
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| 08:03.19 | fredl | how does one install a deb and skip the preconfigure part? |
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| 08:03.39 | yetistomps_ | so much for accurate logs... |
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| 08:03.46 | yetistomps_ | sh**t |
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| 08:03.58 | peterS | cafuego: well, AJ isn't a release manager, so while I'm sure he will appreciate the bribe, it may not work |
| 08:04.08 | meeps | well lads i solved the magic cramfs error |
| 08:04.11 | meeps | now i have another error |
| 08:04.14 | meeps | "define root=" |
| 08:04.17 | meeps | when its already defined :( |
| 08:04.17 | meeps | sigh |
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| 08:04.24 | meeps | ide-* module noboudt. |
| 08:04.28 | cafuego | peterS: He'll can delay the release until said date without much of a problem. |
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| 08:04.45 | peterS | cafuego: true. lots of people could do that, I'd shop around for someone who can be bought cheaply |
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| 08:04.47 | Azar | cafuego: your birthday next year, right? |
| 08:04.56 | cafuego | Azar: No, this year. |
| 08:05.06 | fredl | how does one install a deb and skip the preconfigure part? Is that even possible? |
| 08:05.14 | fredl | or desirable :) |
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| 08:05.23 | peterS | fredl: remove the 'debconf' package |
| 08:05.24 | cafuego | peterS: I have it on good authority the DPL can be bought with pants ;-) |
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| 08:05.31 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I'm tryin to set up ssh to access to another PC, Do I have to generate the public and private keys in the client and server? or just in the client? |
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| 08:05.38 | liable | fredl: yeah, still here |
| 08:05.43 | meeps | well i cant remember who advised me to drop --initrd |
| 08:05.43 | Azar | cafuego: just upgrade from sarge to etch on your birthday and think is already released. |
| 08:05.47 | meeps | gets rid of cramfs problem |
| 08:05.49 | peterS | cafuego: I'm sure you know better than I do. at least you're on the same continent |
| 08:05.50 | meeps | now i get VFS panic :P |
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| 08:05.55 | fredl | peterS - there's no command line option to skip it then? |
| 08:06.04 | peterS | fredl: not that I've heard |
| 08:06.07 | cafuego | Azar: I'm unlikely to upgrade anything to Etch wthin 3 months of release actually |
| 08:06.21 | fredl | liable - I found a lot of xserver-xorg* files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 08:06.31 | liable | fredl: if you havent upgraded for so long, try upgrading to etch and see how goes |
| 08:06.31 | cafuego | peterS: And I know the dpl leader, for all the good that'll do me ;-) |
| 08:06.41 | peterS | bah, yetistomps_ just left |
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| 08:06.50 | Azar | cafuego: luckily I have a spare box for testing (this one) and the upgrade went ok, I barely feel I moved up from Sarge. |
| 08:06.53 | fredl | isn't etch what's currently called 'unstable' then? |
| 08:06.58 | peterS | cafuego: that explains why you as thinking of bribing him in particular, then |
| 08:07.07 | liable | fredl: no its testing atm |
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| 08:07.08 | meeps | oh bugger |
| 08:07.10 | Azar | fredl: no, etch is the testing |
| 08:07.11 | meeps | ext3 was a module |
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| 08:07.15 | fredl | oh ok... |
| 08:07.17 | cafuego | peterS: Yes, we can also threaten with rfid implants... |
| 08:07.17 | meeps | that could cause a VFS panic couldnt it? |
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| 08:07.19 | meeps | :< |
| 08:07.37 | peterS | meeps: yes, and cancer in laboratory animals |
| 08:07.37 | cafuego | !info php4 etch |
| 08:07.38 | terse | Hi, i'm having some trouble with an sblive, does anyone have any experience with setting one up? |
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| 08:07.44 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 08:07.49 | meeps | lmao peterS :) |
| 08:07.53 | meeps | think i have cancer inside my brain :) |
| 08:07.56 | meeps | lol |
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| 08:08.21 | fredl | so 'upgrading' to etch in this situation will actually be a downgrade since I just downloaded tons of unstable packages... |
| 08:08.26 | peterS | terse: it shouldn't be hard, just a matter of loading a kernel module or two. it's one of those things that either it works or it doesn't |
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| 08:08.31 | fredl | well that's fine with me, I just want it to work :) |
| 08:08.49 | terse | mind if i query you peterS? |
| 08:09.02 | liable | fredl: well, if they actually installed, then it kinda wont work. |
| 08:09.09 | peterS | terse: I'd rather answer questions in public. I might go away and then someone else can easily take over |
| 08:09.10 | Azar | cafuego: my biggest fear was when I upgrade the kernel from 2.6.8 I used with Sarge, to 2.6.15, but everything went smooth and the system is running well |
| 08:09.15 | fredl | liable - oh... :P |
| 08:09.29 | fredl | well I just found that out LOL |
| 08:09.29 | terse | ok, i'm getting this error: ALSA snd_pcm_open error: No such file or directory |
| 08:09.33 | peterS | terse: on modern systems the appropriate modules are often automatically loaded anyway. use 'lsmod' to see whether 'emu10k1' or 'snd_emu10k1' are loaded. (you should not have both.) |
| 08:09.38 | terse | aswell as this |
| 08:09.39 | terse | Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 08:10.08 | terse | snd_emu10k is loaded |
| 08:10.11 | peterS | Azar: yeah, udev will freak out but most things will work fine |
| 08:10.25 | wdamn | Hi, while I try to update some packages I still ending with this error |
| 08:10.26 | wdamn | E: Internal Error, Couldn't configure a pre-depend |
| 08:10.34 | peterS | terse: and snd_pcm also? I don't know quite what would cause your problem then |
| 08:10.43 | meeps | heh omosix kernel compiling is not fun on old hardware |
| 08:10.50 | terse | snd_pcm doesn't seem to be loaded |
| 08:10.59 | wdamn | I've already googled around but nothing valuable |
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| 08:11.06 | Azar | peterS: depending on the hardware and cpu architecture I guess, this box uses moderate hardware, never had an issue with any distro. |
| 08:11.13 | peterS | terse: hmmm, load that then. then 'cat /proc/asound/devices' to verify that "digital audio playback" exists somewhere |
| 08:11.13 | fredl | peterS - debconf kinda has a lot of dependancies :P are you sure it's a good idea to remove that temporarily? |
| 08:11.19 | kevix | cafuego: making kim chee? |
| 08:11.26 | terse | module not found peterS |
| 08:11.37 | peterS | fredl: I have no idea why you want to install a package without the preconfigure part running in the first place. as far as I'm concerned, *that* is not really a good idea |
| 08:11.43 | terse | i think i probably compiled it into my kernel |
| 08:11.56 | peterS | terse: oh, possibly. if this is your own kernel, all bets are off |
| 08:12.10 | peterS | terse: so does 'cat /proc/asound/devices' show digital audio playback, then? |
| 08:12.13 | fredl | peterS - well I agree, but the unstable xserver-xorg seems to break on the preconfigure part. I'm not real clever in debugging what's going on.... |
| 08:12.29 | kevix | fredl: is this a newly installed system? or did you do some fun stuff recently? |
| 08:12.39 | terse | it shows a bunch of things, control, sequencer, raw midi x4 and timer |
| 08:12.47 | Trewas | xserver-xorg postinst warning: /etc/X11/xorg.conf has been customized, but we need to make updates. Backing up your config to . If we screw something up, restore using this file. <- well thanks a lot for saving it to file "" |
| 08:12.48 | terse | not dap though |
| 08:12.52 | fredl | kevix - this is an old system that still had xserver-xfree86 on it. |
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| 08:13.15 | peterS | terse: I think we found your problem. the snd_pcm module is necessary - either as a module or compiled in - and it *appears* you have neither |
| 08:13.27 | liable | fredl: i would suggest to start agin if i were you. |
| 08:13.31 | terse | is there an easy way to check if i've compiled it in? |
| 08:13.33 | fredl | LOL |
| 08:13.39 | kevix | fredl: oh. I upgraded to xorg as soon as it came out. x-) |
| 08:14.11 | terse | alsa is compiled in, and under that oss pcm support is compiled in |
| 08:14.17 | peterS | terse: grep CONFIG_SND_PCM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:14.40 | terse | it has a 'y' next to both |
| 08:15.00 | fredl | ok folks, thanks for the help :-) |
| 08:15.06 | terse | CONFIG_SND_PCM=y |
| 08:15.16 | meeps | thanks peterS |
| 08:15.16 | kevix | fredl: maybe you can remove all of Xfree and then try to install xorg? |
| 08:15.20 | meeps | saved me some time :) |
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| 08:15.50 | fredl | kevix - that's what I figured too. It still seems to want to convert xserver-xfree86 config in the preinstall script though |
| 08:15.50 | peterS | terse: then I wonder why it doesn't show up in /proc/asound/devices. anyway. check /proc/asound/cards to see if the actual SB is detected |
| 08:15.52 | kevix | fredl: do you use aptitude? |
| 08:16.10 | fredl | kevix - nope, apt-get |
| 08:16.31 | terse | peters: looks like all there is is virmidi |
| 08:16.33 | kevix | fredl: use aptitude, it is the recommended way. |
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| 08:16.38 | terse | lcpci lists the card however |
| 08:16.53 | peterS | terse: fishy. I wonder if the OSS driver is loaded and stole the hardware out from under the ALSA driver. |
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| 08:17.03 | fredl | oh really? did something change in debian land then? Well I have to admit, haven't been around for a while... |
| 08:17.15 | peterS | terse: or ... what exactly does lspci say about the card model? |
| 08:17.27 | peterS | just to confirm that it is a supported model of SBLive |
| 08:17.30 | terse | hmm. worth a shot I guess, i'll try recompiling without the oss stuff (not the deprecated oss stuff, the oss stuff under the alsa branch |
| 08:17.34 | kevix | fredl: it may to worth it to 'comment out' the section of the script to allow you to upgrade. |
| 08:17.36 | terse | 0000:00:11.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07) |
| 08:17.49 | peterS | terse: ok so an original, yeah, that should be well supported |
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| 08:17.59 | fredl | kevix - well help :) I'm not so clever in figuring out *which* script to modify :) |
| 08:18.14 | kevix | fredl: yes. the woody->sarge release notes say to use aptitude as it does better dependency handling. |
| 08:18.15 | peterS | terse: point being, the 'emu10k1' (not to be confused with 'snd_emu10k1') also works and if that loads first, it'll grab the hardware so the alsa driver can't have it |
| 08:18.16 | fredl | kevix - liable just told me to look in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 08:18.17 | terse | yeah, i've had it working under other distros without even having to think about it |
| 08:18.30 | fredl | but I can't find anything meaningfull there :P |
| 08:18.45 | terse | this is just my headless box and i want it working with the stereo system hehe |
| 08:18.54 | terse | hmm, i'll check the drivers aswell, but only one is loaded right now |
| 08:18.55 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I'm tryin to set up ssh to access to another PC, I'm trying to copy the public key of the client to the server, but in the server Pc there's no ".ssh" directory and "authorized_keys" file |
| 08:18.56 | kevix | fredl: yes. PACKAGE.postinst = post install script, prerm = pre remove script |
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| 08:19.27 | peterS | terse: ok, well, check compiled-in as usual (: CONFIG_SOUND_EMU10K1 is the old driver |
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| 08:19.35 | terse | peterS: do i want any of the OSS options under ALSA in the kernel? |
| 08:19.38 | peterS | terse: (CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1 being the ALSA driver, the one you actually want) |
| 08:20.04 | peterS | terse: OSS PCM emulation and OSS mixer emulation are useful - that's snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss, some apps still can't talk ALSA directly |
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| 08:20.20 | terse | ok, i'll leave them in |
| 08:20.29 | [1]ankit | hey buddy |
| 08:20.31 | fredl | kevix - well after I tried apt-get install xserver-xorg, there's no /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver*preinst |
| 08:20.36 | terse | and yeah, CONFIG_SND_EMU10k1 is Y, as a module |
| 08:20.47 | jm_ | Y is not module |
| 08:20.50 | terse | where would the old emu10k1 driver hide out? |
| 08:20.59 | kevix | fredl: so there has to be an error message with dpkg? |
| 08:21.08 | terse | well, i'm using menu config. it's M rather |
| 08:21.08 | fredl | well yes :-) |
| 08:21.23 | fredl | kevix - may I cut and paste the output to you? |
| 08:21.30 | azeem | use a pastebin |
| 08:21.32 | azeem | !paster |
| 08:21.32 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 08:21.34 | peterS | terse: under "Open Sound System", up a level from where you seem to be now |
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| 08:21.45 | terse | yeah, i don't have any of that checked |
| 08:21.50 | terse | so i don't think thats it |
| 08:21.52 | kevix | fredl: I like #flood |
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| 08:22.26 | peterS | terse: you should try unloading and reloading the 'snd_emu10k1' module. then run 'dmesg | tail' to see what it had to say in your kernel log as it loaded |
| 08:22.41 | terse | ok |
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| 08:23.01 | peterS | 'cause it seems to not be picking up your hardware for some reason |
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| 08:23.07 | fredl | kevix - got that? |
| 08:23.29 | piyush_patel | ankit, hello |
| 08:23.44 | terse | PeterS: sh: /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install: No such file or directory |
| 08:23.52 | terse | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1 |
| 08:24.07 | terse | thats when i try to load it back in |
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| 08:24.34 | brianski | anyone here use debian on pcc? |
| 08:24.46 | brianski | ppc i mean... trying to figure out how to switch vtys on this dern thing :) |
| 08:24.50 | peterS | terse: wtf, what is /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install anyway? I guess it comes with 'alsa-base' |
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| 08:25.07 | terse | i have no idea :( |
| 08:25.10 | peterS | brianski: if nobody knows here, try #debianppc |
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| 08:26.06 | peterS | terse: I wonder why you don't have it - make sure alsa-base and alsa-utils are installed, I suppose |
| 08:26.30 | terse | yeah, they both are. i could try removing them and installing them again i guess? |
| 08:26.35 | brianski | peters - thanks, trying there |
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| 08:26.54 | peterS | terse: I just wonder why you don't have that file. maybe it has moved from alsa-base to linux-sound-base recently? (I haven't upgraded recently) |
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| 08:27.11 | terse | what does that mean, if it has? |
| 08:27.22 | peterS | it means you'd have to install linux-sound-base if you haven't already |
| 08:27.49 | MrRio | Where does dpkg save the informationm from control.tar.gz after installing a deb file? |
| 08:27.55 | peterS | MrRio: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 08:28.00 | MrRio | peterS: cheers |
| 08:28.03 | terse | yeah, its installed |
| 08:28.27 | peterS | terse: does 'dpkg -S /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install' show that it is supposed to be on your system? |
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| 08:28.49 | terse | i don't have a /lib/alsa directory! |
| 08:28.54 | terse | just alsa-utils |
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| 08:29.10 | peterS | terse: yeah try the dpkg -S command. it'll either show a line with a package name, or nothing |
| 08:29.21 | musya_ | i know its off subject but i need to know, can i reinstall my debian system through ssh? |
| 08:29.36 | dondelelcaro | musya_: yes, but you shouldn't need to reinstall it |
| 08:29.47 | peterS | musya_: you can reinstall individual packages. you can't wipe the whole system clean and start over that way |
| 08:30.01 | atsi | i got an asus a7v600-x motherboard and i got 3.1r2 installed as linux26. how can i configure my audio card? |
| 08:30.08 | musya_ | well apache is freaking out on me, is there a way to just uninstall it? |
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| 08:30.25 | peterS | musya_: apache is a package like any other. when you cut it, does it not bleed? |
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| 08:30.49 | terse | peterS it has a line with a package name |
| 08:30.51 | musya_ | and to reinstall i know how, but i dont know how to uninstall in linux |
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| 08:30.52 | terse | i reinstalled alsa-base |
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| 08:31.05 | peterS | terse: and does the script in question exist now? |
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| 08:31.17 | terse | yes |
| 08:31.18 | peterS | musya_: apt-get remove apache |
| 08:31.26 | terse | but i'm still getting the same error in mpg123 |
| 08:31.34 | terse | even if i reload alsa/everything |
| 08:31.36 | peterS | terse: ok so back to the previous question! rmmod snd_emu10k1; modprobe snd_emu10k1 |
| 08:32.04 | peterS | terse: and note, using 'dmesg | tail', whether the module prints any interesting information as it loads |
| 08:32.08 | terse | yep, that works without fail |
| 08:32.16 | terse | ah |
| 08:32.20 | brianski | heh |
| 08:32.21 | terse | there are some errors |
| 08:32.30 | brianski | you have to hit, in order: ctrl-alt-fn-f* |
| 08:32.32 | brianski | yeesh :) |
| 08:32.33 | terse | EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:00:11.0 failed with error -12 |
| 08:32.36 | peterS | brianski: that's a lot of keys |
| 08:32.53 | musya_ | peterS, Thanks alot man, i appreciate it |
| 08:32.54 | peterS | terse: lspci didn't indicate that it was an audigy, did it? weird. |
| 08:32.59 | brianski | i don't mind the number, but the ordering constraint sucks pretty hard |
| 08:33.03 | terse | nope. and very weird |
| 08:33.03 | fireba11 | i'm searching for a simple tool that displays up/down status of boxes (detected via ping and a http-request) on a webpage. am using nagios but since half of those are EXPECTED to be down nagios doesn't really fit .. any ideas ? |
| 08:33.19 | peterS | terse: unless ... the audigy doesn't have a distinct PCI ID. this is possible. |
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| 08:33.30 | terse | i don't have an audigy in there |
| 08:33.38 | jm_ | firebal;maybe smokeping? |
| 08:33.44 | terse | it is a rather old sblive value, that much is certain |
| 08:34.08 | musya_ | peterS, do i need to restart my system? because it still says that apache is running...wierd |
| 08:34.14 | terse | besides a network card and an agp graphcis card, it's the only thing in there and i've disabled the onboard ac97 sound from the bios |
| 08:34.44 | terse | cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-0) |
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| 08:34.51 | terse | is the other thing in dmesg |
| 08:34.53 | fireba11 | jm_ hm .. looks already too sophisticated ... :-D |
| 08:35.26 | peterS | terse: hrrrm. try loading snd_emu10k1x, that module indicates that it's for some form of SB Live Value |
| 08:35.59 | jm_ | fireba11: should be trivial to write a perl script too |
| 08:36.04 | terse | i don't have that module |
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| 08:36.22 | peterS | terse: it exists in 2.6.12, perhaps it doesn't exist in 2.6.8 |
| 08:36.24 | terse | i thought 10k1x was for dell oem cards? |
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| 08:36.39 | terse | atleast thats what menuconfig was saying |
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| 08:36.45 | fireba11 | jm_ probably .. but my perl-fu sucks :-) |
| 08:36.59 | peterS | terse: print your lspci output again, or better yet ... lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 08:37.21 | peterS | it'll say 1102:0002 or something similar |
| 08:37.37 | liable | hrm, my box froze, i rebooted, now 3d is ok.. |
| 08:37.59 | terse | yeah it says exactly thayt |
| 08:38.03 | terse | 1102:002 |
| 08:38.04 | fireba11 | jm_ sadly i think there is no way to convince nagios the host status is down but that is non-critical .. i don't want to have a couple red blobs in tehre because i'll miss real outages then |
| 08:38.11 | peterS | right, original SB Live, not the emu10k1x |
| 08:38.18 | peterS | that would have been 1102:0006 |
| 08:38.43 | peterS | well, dude, I don't know why the module gives this error at load time and refuses to drive the hardware |
| 08:38.46 | benderz0r | what am I missing; I've setup the network interface though it wont connect to the net until I select 'default gateway device' in gnome networking |
| 08:38.57 | peterS | these things are usually open-and-shut, load the right module, get the right results |
| 08:39.07 | jm_ | fireba11: it needs more advanced features from other monitoring tools ;) |
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| 08:39.27 | terse | bummer :( would sticking it in a different pci slot change anything, do you think? |
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| 08:39.36 | fireba11 | jm_ what ? nagios ? |
| 08:39.50 | peterS | terse: you never know. it's something to try. I once fixed a network card that way (a bus mastering issue, I assume) |
| 08:40.16 | jm_ | fireba11: yup |
| 08:40.55 | fireba11 | jm_ it's nice to monitor 24/7 services .. but once you try to monitor something that's expected to work only half the time ... :-/ |
| 08:41.38 | jm_ | fireba11: exactly, some of those solution let you specify outage intervals |
| 08:42.43 | fireba11 | jm_ i can specify downtimes .. but that doesn't help ... we are using virtual servers for development and obviously not all of them are running at the same time .. so i just want to display what's running and nagios isn't really up to that |
| 08:42.53 | terse | well, i'll give that a shot peterS. failing that I'll try screwing around with the kernel again, and failing that i'll see if theres a driver for the onboard sound hehe. thanks for your advice, i appreciate it a lot :) |
| 08:43.09 | jm_ | fireba11: ahh you only want to list available hosts, I get it |
| 08:43.13 | peterS | terse: no problem, and good luck |
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| 08:43.41 | fireba11 | jm_ yes |
| 08:44.10 | fireba11 | jm_ since nagios doesn't know a status "down but that's okay" i can't use it .. |
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| 08:46.03 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 08:46.11 | faber2 | whats the difference between UDP and TCP ? |
| 08:46.27 | fireba11 | faber2: wikipedia.org |
| 08:48.04 | faber2 | fireba11: for an openvpn, is there a disadvantage to use UDP ? |
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| 08:48.22 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, when I run ssh-add in the server I get this error: "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent", whyy? |
| 08:48.26 | tarzeau | braindead |
| 08:48.30 | tarzeau | why would no dovecot binary package ship mkcert.sh ? |
| 08:48.32 | tarzeau | !dovecot |
| 08:48.33 | dpkg | dovecot is, like, an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html |
| 08:49.05 | fireba11 | faber2 well since udp might loose packages .. why you traing to use udp for openvpn anyway? |
| 08:49.39 | tarzeau | oh wait |
| 08:49.54 | faber2 | fireba11: its the default |
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| 08:50.50 | fireba11 | faber2: why are you asking then ?? |
| 08:51.48 | POVaddct | fireba11: since openvpn tunnels whole ip packets (they can be tcp themselves), it is better to use udp for that. tunneling tcp in tcp can lead to timing problems. |
| 08:51.53 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, when I run ssh-add in the server I get this error: "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent", whyy? |
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| 08:52.29 | jethro | SonnyBurnett: because your shell has no knowledge of a running ssh-agent? |
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| 08:52.43 | SonnyBurnett | jethro, it is running |
| 08:52.58 | jethro | SonnyBurnett: your shell needs to have some variables set in order to "see" it. |
| 08:53.11 | faber2 | POVaddct: thanks |
| 08:53.12 | jethro | SonnyBurnett: hence my "has no knowledge of", instead of "you don't have ssh-agent running". |
| 08:54.34 | SonnyBurnett | jethro, how can I solve it? |
| 08:54.51 | jethro | SonnyBurnett: man ssh-agent will tell you which environment variables you need. |
| 08:55.01 | musya_ | apt-get remove apache2 wont remove apache can anybody help me? |
| 08:55.04 | POVaddct | faber2: at least i think this is the reason for udp being default |
| 08:55.29 | prh_ | ok - anyone know why kpowersave is using 108MB of ram?! |
| 08:55.46 | jethro | SonnyBurnett: or you can kill the currently running ssh-agent, then type 'ssh-agent <your prefered shell here>', then ssh-add your keys. |
| 08:55.50 | prh_ | musya_: you'll need to give the error message |
| 08:56.01 | jethro | SonnyBurnett: or you can use keychain :) |
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| 08:57.23 | SonnyBurnett | jethro, ok thanks I'll read it |
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| 08:57.55 | jethro | SonnyBurnett: you're welcome. |
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| 09:01.10 | frederick | where can I find out the debian mirrors |
| 09:01.23 | cheal | !tell frederick about mirrors |
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| 09:04.20 | SlammerXP | www.debian.org |
| 09:04.22 | SlammerXP | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:04.53 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: please don't do that... |
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| 09:05.07 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: i was being funny. couldn't you tell? :) |
| 09:05.16 | jethro | apparently not. |
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| 09:07.32 | evaded | Hello crazy guys :-p |
| 09:07.32 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: that's why I warned you instead of banning you... |
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| 09:07.56 | dondelelcaro | (but I almost reached for /abr automatically) |
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| 09:09.58 | evaded | Arg, i have played a bit with cvn and svn. Great great. My 'guicms' project are now been in an svn reposite locally. hhmm, that work nice. Thanks guys for you're efforts. It's to mega that thing :-) |
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| 09:11.44 | qwertz | Hi, is there a cli tool to create differential backups of directories? |
| 09:12.00 | jm_ | you mean incremental? |
| 09:12.56 | qwertz | jm_, incremental would be hassle to restore from every backup file so I'd like to have a differential solution |
| 09:13.22 | dondelelcaro | uh... what in the world do you mean by differential, then? |
| 09:13.39 | jm_ | qwertz: what does that mean then? all changes since last full backup or what? |
| 09:13.46 | petemc | like a gearbox? |
| 09:13.47 | evaded | An incremental backup is been an backup of some files that have some change with some source files? |
| 09:14.06 | qwertz | jm_, yes |
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| 09:14.27 | dondelelcaro | qwertz: that's just an incremental with one point. |
| 09:14.29 | jm_ | qwertz: well you can do that with incremental backup |
| 09:15.15 | qwertz | so is there a recommendable tool for incremental? |
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| 09:15.24 | evaded | jm_: Is that with that tar --diff for example? |
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| 09:15.50 | jm_ | evaded: isn't --diff some comparision tool only? |
| 09:16.15 | evaded | jm_: I not know, the subject are interesting ;-) |
| 09:16.30 | jm_ | evaded: tar can do incremental backups, info tar -> Backups |
| 09:17.06 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:17.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:17.18 | evaded | jm_: I have get the 'info tar -> backup' :-) |
| 09:17.28 | evaded | jm_: I read a bit ;-) |
| 09:17.51 | qwertz | jm_, thanks will have a look |
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| 09:18.28 | bluezy_ | hello, Ihave a stupid question here, I have all the drivers I need to get linux running on my laptop, I ./configure && make dep && make install them, yet sound and such isn't working, what did I do wrong? |
| 09:18.55 | jm_ | qwertz: I use dobackup Perl script, but it's not packaged |
| 09:19.39 | petemc | bluezy_: more often than not, "drivers" dont work like that, you get the support for your hardware from the kernel - did you check if your kernel had support and that perhaps its just needs some configuration |
| 09:19.55 | petemc | s/its/it/ |
| 09:19.59 | evaded | jm_: Have you try 'Amanda', to know if it's nice? |
| 09:20.48 | bluezy_ | petemc, I have a kernal that comes packeged with the drivers as well... targa was so kind as to provide them all... |
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| 09:21.14 | petemc | bluezy_: thats nice, id go with the kernel stuff myself tho.. |
| 09:21.16 | bluezy_ | I installed it with their config file... |
| 09:21.24 | bluezy_ | but ... |
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| 09:23.12 | frederick | how do i make a folder on desktop to mount cdrom device |
| 09:23.15 | bluezy_ | petemc, I installed their kernel, it should work, no? |
| 09:23.41 | bluezy_ | frederick, ln /dev/cdrom |
| 09:23.54 | bluezy_ | if I am not mistaken |
| 09:24.11 | bluezy_ | I don't really do much desktop things... |
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| 09:25.08 | jm_ | evaded: no, it looked way too complicated for my needs and the documentation sucked |
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| 09:25.54 | evaded | jm_: Ok i look a bit to see it also how it's look. Thanks for all you're suggestion, it's very usefull, that previous i mean ;-) |
| 09:26.20 | evaded | frederick: Which environment are you running? |
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| 09:28.03 | frederick | evaded: no matter, i figured out how. |
| 09:28.23 | evaded | frederick: ok |
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| 09:33.29 | frederick | i have some problem where my dvd drive doesn't eject |
| 09:33.43 | cafuego | Is the disc still mounted? |
| 09:33.49 | frederick | yes |
| 09:35.08 | cafuego | Then it will indeed not eject. |
| 09:35.08 | cafuego | Unmount first |
| 09:35.09 | frederick | i tried to unmount but device is busy |
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| 09:36.01 | Coweater | gnome has an option to start the sound server, which sound server does that refer to? |
| 09:36.02 | evaded | frederick: You need to close the filemanager that use it, or the terminal... otherwise it's bussy |
| 09:36.08 | cafuego | Check that;s using the device.. are you cd'd intoa diredtoy on the disc? |
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| 09:37.47 | jm_ | Coweater: usually esd for GNOME |
| 09:38.05 | frederick | evaded: ok my disk is not busy, it isn't doing anything but it's still stuck. I'm in KDE |
| 09:38.38 | Shadowcat | **esound |
| 09:38.40 | Shadowcat | !esound |
| 09:38.41 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 09:39.11 | Coweater | jm_: thanks |
| 09:39.18 | evaded | frederick: I know that in KDE i need to close some times the Konqueror filemangare. Also when i'm been out of the CD structure. I not know if it's the same case there |
| 09:40.09 | frederick | evaded: yes i have closed it, the eject button is still not responding, maybe it is a bug |
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| 09:40.41 | evaded | frederick: Try to look whick process are running?? ps aux |
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| 09:41.02 | evaded | frederick: To see that Konqueror are been closed |
| 09:41.53 | frederick | evaded:ran that couldn't see konqueror |
| 09:42.06 | ooev | cannotinputspace,whatshouldidonow? |
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| 09:42.15 | ooev | justtrygnomeshortcut |
| 09:42.22 | frederick | evaded: i'll try a reboot. |
| 09:42.29 | ooev | assignalt+spacetoplay/pausemusic |
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| 09:42.36 | evaded | frederick: Nope, try to find the problem! |
| 09:42.37 | ooev | thendisableit |
| 09:42.49 | ooev | butspacedoesntcomeback |
| 09:42.54 | wobbler | frederick, try /usr/bin/eject in konsole |
| 09:42.57 | ooev | goteatupbygnomeprogram |
| 09:43.03 | evaded | frederick: Look good which process are running, there are one you need to kill, and it's done |
| 09:43.15 | ooev | howtoresetallhotkeyassignment???? |
| 09:43.28 | evaded | ooev: What have you change? |
| 09:43.30 | azeem | ooev: please use spaces |
| 09:43.32 | frederick | frederick@debianbox:~$ /usr/bin/eject |
| 09:43.32 | frederick | umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
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| 09:43.49 | ooev | gnomekeyboardshortcut |
| 09:44.06 | evaded | frederick: Can you paste the output of ps aux on pastebin or so? |
| 09:44.17 | ft | ooev: use spaces. |
| 09:44.17 | ooev | afterassigningalt+spaceto'play/pause'music'program |
| 09:44.27 | frederick | evaded: yes i'll do that |
| 09:44.39 | ooev | all'space'key-in'is'eat'up'by'gnome'shortcut'program |
| 09:44.43 | evaded | azeem: Look good. Hey explain that the space no more work :-/ |
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| 09:45.05 | azeem | ooev: you can clear those shortcuts with either esc or backspace I think |
| 09:45.23 | ooev | i'did.but'it'does'not'help'at'all.:( |
| 09:46.03 | azeem | ooev: then check the gconf settings maybe? |
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| 09:47.13 | evaded | frederick: Paste it on pastebin |
| 09:47.16 | evaded | !pastebin |
| 09:47.16 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 09:47.30 | ooev | azeem: i'deleted'everything'from'text'console'.~/.gconf/apps/xxxx/keybindings/xxx.xml |
| 09:47.41 | frederick | sorry i dc'd. btw I am on a lap top. |
| 09:47.44 | evaded | frederick: Then you paste the link of the url here |
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| 09:48.20 | azeem | ooev: maybe try to logout/login? |
| 09:48.38 | frederick | evaded what did you say about pastebin |
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| 09:49.02 | ooev | azeem: this'is'the'last'thing'i'wanna'do.....looks'like'i'have'to......... |
| 09:49.21 | azeem | ooev: maybe killing gconfd helps, dunno |
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| 09:49.51 | evaded | frederick: the output of that command, you may not allowed to paste it here. Because the paste many lines here. The exists some website where you can paste some text, most case output of config files or scripts or output of apps... |
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| 09:50.07 | evaded | s/the/there |
| 09:50.47 | evaded | frederick: So you need to read what dpkg (the bot) have tell and go to that website to paste the output of that command. |
| 09:50.47 | frederick | evaded: i'll just take a break and return later. Cya |
| 09:51.00 | evaded | frederick: ok, good break ;-) |
| 09:51.04 | fluxdude | I'm having trouble killing a process it says <defunct> and I've tried kill -9 pid but it doesn't get rid of it, it's still there in the process list... |
| 09:52.16 | wdamn | fluxdude: are you root? |
| 09:52.26 | bodq | oh, fluxdude reminds me of the good old times of 2.0 when init sometimes failed to reap dead children... |
| 09:52.30 | ooev | azeem: no'use''''''''have'to'restart''''''''damn'it''''''''' |
| 09:53.24 | tosh | someone is trying IRC fuzzing :) |
| 09:53.24 | fluxdude | wdamn: yes I'm root |
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| 09:53.49 | wdamn | fluxdude: what's the process? |
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| 09:55.10 | evaded | ooev: Try to restart then :-/ |
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| 09:55.52 | ooev | evaded: closing'windows'''''''''''' |
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| 09:56.03 | ooev | gnome!!!! |
| 09:56.17 | evaded | ooev: openbox :-) |
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| 09:56.57 | ooev | evaded: how'could'this'happen' |
| 09:57.11 | evaded | ooev: I not know :-? |
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| 09:57.17 | ooev | evaded: accidently'assign'wrong'key'and'got'punished'like'this.... |
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| 09:57.48 | evaded | ooev: Yep, that hard. Report it?? |
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| 09:58.01 | litage | when i use alien to convert an RPM to a DEB, the DEB it produces is owned by root:root and is mode 0644. however, non-root users can mv and rm the DEB. why is that? |
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| 09:58.06 | ooev | evaded: r'u'gnome'user?wanna'try'that? |
| 09:58.30 | Shadowcat | ooev: do us a favor |
| 09:58.33 | azeem | litage: your problem is disconnected from alien |
| 09:58.33 | Shadowcat | FIX your key bindings |
| 09:58.45 | azeem | Shadowcat: eh, he's trying |
| 09:58.55 | evaded | ooev: Most time i use 'fluxbox', but 'openbox' find i also very well |
| 09:59.23 | litage | azeem: what's the problem then? |
| 09:59.35 | azeem | I don't know |
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| 10:00.03 | litage | azeem: why do you say that it doesn't have anything to do with alien? |
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| 10:00.42 | azeem | litage: there's no secret flag alien adds to .debs which make them behave like you say |
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| 10:00.54 | azeem | because there are no such secret flags in general |
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| 10:01.01 | STiKi- | Hello. |
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| 10:01.05 | azeem | so it is a matter of Unix file ownership and permissions |
| 10:01.06 | ooev | reboot works. |
| 10:01.09 | STiKi- | I'm search for somebody that could help me with e17. |
| 10:01.20 | STiKi- | I'm searching* |
| 10:01.38 | quitte | i finally have postfix setup in a way im happy with - now i want to move my mail to imap so i can use it from several machines. but for some reason evolution refuses to work.it asks me for a password again and again and the only error i get is: server unexpectedly disconnected: unknown error.the log file doesn't say anything but login failed. |
| 10:01.41 | azeem | STiKi-: just state your problem |
| 10:01.41 | Shadowcat | STiKi-: did you bother reading the documentation? |
| 10:01.47 | litage | azeem: heh quite true |
| 10:01.59 | STiKi- | http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6660/e178we.jpg - i cannot change my background. There should be at least the default background. |
| 10:02.03 | STiKi- | Any suggestions? |
| 10:02.12 | ooev | this is amazing......... |
| 10:02.17 | Shadowcat | STiKi-: again, did you bother reading the documentation? |
| 10:02.36 | liable | Shadowcat: you are using reiser4? |
| 10:02.38 | STiKi- | Shadowcat, yes I did. |
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| 10:02.55 | Shadowcat | liable: ya |
| 10:02.57 | Shadowcat | what about it? |
| 10:03.05 | liable | Shadowcat: is a pain in the ass? |
| 10:03.15 | Shadowcat | pain in the ass to install ya |
| 10:03.31 | liable | thinking of giving it a burl |
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| 10:04.27 | Shadowcat | then you need to make a custom boot cd with a reiser4 compatible kernel and what not |
| 10:04.29 | frederick | evaded: ok i am back now |
| 10:04.48 | evaded | frederick: yup |
| 10:04.51 | tejing | can anyone tell me what exactly doing "chmod o+t <name>" does to a file, and what it does to a directory? all I can find are basic explanations of the r, w, and x permissions, which I understand just fine |
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| 10:05.07 | atsi | i got a dvd that has some folders. each folder has some files. all downloaded from a particular ftp. is there any way to automatically download only the updates of the ftp? |
| 10:05.09 | evaded | frederick: Remember you what you need to do? |
| 10:05.12 | liable | Shadowcat: was thinking of just having a little ext3 partiton for install and copy over once kernel was built |
| 10:05.17 | atsi | plz prefix |
| 10:05.35 | frederick | evaded couldn't I just copy and paste that to you in pm |
| 10:05.39 | Shadowcat | liable: pfft that's no fun :P |
| 10:05.51 | jm_ | tejing: info coreutils -> File permissions |
| 10:05.52 | STiKi- | I'm asking about something often. |
| 10:06.02 | liable | Shadowcat: gimme your install disk! |
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| 10:06.10 | Shadowcat | liable: NO! |
| 10:06.10 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 10:06.16 | tejing | jm_: thx, I'll look there |
| 10:06.16 | evaded | frederick: no, you neet to do it like everyone need to do it. But you would see it. It's an very usefull tip that of pastebin |
| 10:06.21 | evaded | s/neet/need |
| 10:06.52 | frederick | ok just before when i was pasting in pastebin i was kicked from the server or something |
| 10:07.25 | evaded | frederick: You was kicked from here, for you're flood right? |
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| 10:08.09 | evaded | frederick: You can if you want paste it in #flood |
| 10:08.24 | STiKi- | damn lag, did somebody asnwered me after this: [12:03:10] <STiKi-> If I would find it, I wouldn't ask. ? |
| 10:08.36 | evaded | frederick: But that tip of pastebin is nice, like you not know about it |
| 10:09.12 | frederick | evaded: ok tell me again how to use the pastebin, i got disconnected from the irc server when i pasted ps aux output |
| 10:09.24 | evaded | !tell frederick abot pastebin |
| 10:09.30 | evaded | !tell frederick about pastebin |
| 10:10.04 | evaded | frederick: You see been an new winodow, it's look like that dpkg talk to you |
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| 10:10.29 | frederick | ok i thought you meant the channel pastebin |
| 10:10.32 | STiKi- | eh :/ |
| 10:10.42 | frederick | http://pastebin.ca/53180 |
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| 10:12.32 | evaded | frederick: Right, so you did it good ;-) So now you know 'HOWTO pastebin' ;-) |
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| 10:12.50 | STiKi- | So can anybody help me, or not? |
| 10:12.53 | evaded | frederick: Just see i not enought in that output :-/ |
| 10:13.25 | evaded | STiKi-: i'm not for that |
| 10:14.00 | STiKi- | If you wrote anything earlier, sorry, but I haven't seen it. |
| 10:14.04 | frederick | evaded: enought? |
| 10:14.08 | evaded | frederick: How you have paste that output there? Can you explain it |
| 10:14.37 | frederick | yes i typed ps aux and copied what it said |
| 10:14.42 | evaded | frederick: Have you use 'ps aux | xclip'? 'xclip' need to be installed |
| 10:15.18 | evaded | frederick: It's not width enought, i see not enought of the path |
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| 10:15.35 | evaded | frederick: Know you about 'xclip'? |
| 10:16.04 | dimi3 | how to start a deamon on system boot? |
| 10:16.04 | frederick | evaded when I tried installing xclip my cd ejected |
| 10:16.13 | frederick | because it needed a dist cd |
| 10:16.36 | evaded | frederick: Nope, not directly, but it's an tool more so that you have you're life with computers a bit easyer :-/ |
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| 10:16.59 | Shadowcat | evaded: people with computers have lives? |
| 10:17.02 | jm_ | dimi3: what daemon? |
| 10:17.13 | frederick | evaded: i mean my problems solved now, but i didn't solve the problem. |
| 10:17.14 | dimi3 | jm_: svnserve |
| 10:17.16 | evaded | Shadowcat: Yes, virtually :-p |
| 10:17.35 | frederick | evaded: it could happen in the future still |
| 10:17.58 | dimi3 | jm_: it is started with svnserve -d, but i want to have it started on every boot automatically |
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| 10:18.38 | jm_ | dimi3: write an init script then, use skeleteon as an example |
| 10:18.42 | evaded | frederick: Yes, i know, i wanted to see what blocks that eject. For that i need the output of 'ps aux | xclip' like it's a bit to width |
| 10:18.56 | dimi3 | jm_: thanks |
| 10:19.21 | evaded | frederick: xclip is an little tool that also help you in the future, i'm sure. |
| 10:19.50 | evaded | frederick: Know you how you need to install it? |
| 10:20.01 | frederick | evaded: i installed xclip |
| 10:20.41 | frederick | evaded: there is another problem i'v been trying to figure out if you are interested, it's just about a package |
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| 10:21.06 | sebs | how can i kill a screen without knowing its pid? |
| 10:21.08 | evaded | frederick: Now do 'ps aux | xclip'. Then you need again to go to pastebin and paste the output of it. So you need to press like you paste somehings |
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| 10:21.53 | funky1 | hey ppl :d |
| 10:22.29 | frederick | evaded: i ran ps aux | xclip but there was no output |
| 10:22.29 | funky1 | having a problem wih vmware, was installing it, i think it needs kernel headers, but i can'T find them for my kernel 2.6.16 |
| 10:22.34 | evaded | frederick: I had miss an line i see :-/ |
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| 10:22.44 | funky1 | any1 knows what to do? |
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| 10:23.09 | evaded | frederick: It's normal. now you need to paste it like you do when you select some text. The output are in the clipboard now |
| 10:23.16 | jm_ | try linux-headers |
| 10:23.55 | funky1 | i checked on the debian site but didn't c the headers for my kernel :/ |
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| 10:24.13 | evaded | frederick: Have you understand how it work? |
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| 10:24.34 | frederick | evaded: KDE is not pasting the output, It is pasting the previous thing I copied, I did run the command. |
| 10:25.01 | evaded | frederick: Have you use the middle mouse button to paste? |
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| 10:26.01 | evaded | frederick: I mean pressing on the scrollwheel |
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| 10:26.09 | frederick | evaded: my mouse doesn't have one. Is there a keyboard method |
| 10:26.22 | evaded | frederick: Or the left and right at the same time |
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| 10:26.45 | funky1 | sorry for the stupid question, i'm sort of new to linux, will The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same |
| 10:26.45 | funky1 | address space size as your running kernel. |
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| 10:26.54 | funky1 | rrr |
| 10:26.59 | evaded | frederick: xclip is an little clipboard so that you can pipe some output of what you want and he store it in the buffer |
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| 10:27.12 | frederick | evaded: left and right at same time doesn't work |
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| 10:27.44 | evaded | frederick: I guess you have not active the middle mouse button emulation in XFree86 |
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| 10:27.48 | funky1 | i meant if linux-headers-2.6.16-1-all-s390 will work with any 2.6.16 kernel on any machine |
| 10:27.51 | evaded | s/active/activate |
| 10:27.53 | chuby007 | hello |
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| 10:28.09 | evaded | frederick: Know you the keyboard method? |
| 10:28.40 | frederick | evaded: i asked if there was one previously, i don't know it |
| 10:28.54 | chuby007 | I installed courier as my main MTA and well... it tells when i try to login i get this:"Unable to open the maildir for this account -- the maildir doesn't exist or has incorrect ownership or permissions." |
| 10:29.02 | chuby007 | any idea how to fix it ? |
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| 10:29.19 | evaded | frederick: If you have no scrollwheel it's good to plan to activate it later. Ok, finally we can leave that xclip for an little time. We need to find another way |
| 10:29.59 | evaded | frederick: Give that more that 2 lines? 'ps aux | grep konqueror' |
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| 10:30.20 | frederick | evaded: did you realise my cdrom drive opened while I was installing xclip? |
| 10:30.23 | Sonderblade | is stable and sarge synonyms? |
| 10:30.30 | azeem | Sonderblade: yes |
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| 10:30.52 | evaded | frederick: No, but that great news :-) |
| 10:30.53 | Sonderblade | so its possible to replace all instances of sarge with stable and everything should still work? |
| 10:31.01 | azeem | Sonderblade: yes |
| 10:31.06 | Sonderblade | azeem: thans |
| 10:31.20 | frederick | evaded: apt-get seemed to unlock it |
| 10:31.39 | azeem | Sonderblade: the difference is that you'll update to the next stable once etch is stable and you type apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:31.40 | evaded | frederick: I can suggest you to active the middle mouse button emulation. Like you have it not. I have that middle mouse button, but have also activate that emulation, it's very usefull and needed for xclip |
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| 10:32.10 | evaded | frederick: I guess there whas an proccess hanging or so :-/ |
| 10:32.44 | frederick | evaded: do you know much about multimedia packages in Debian, I need to find something to watch recorded lectures for my Uni |
| 10:32.56 | jacopaco | hi |
| 10:33.08 | evaded | frederick: I guess you need to know about marillat. Know you about it? |
| 10:33.27 | evaded | !hello dpkg |
| 10:33.36 | evaded | oooh |
| 10:33.38 | Sonderblade | and unstable is etch or is etch testing? |
| 10:34.19 | evaded | frederick: I give you an bonus tip :-p |
| 10:34.27 | evaded | !tell frederick about selftell |
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| 10:34.45 | frederick | evaded: yes I have marillat and saw some packages which seemed to be right on sid, but I didn't have any way of downloading the dependencies I needed from stable distribution |
| 10:34.49 | evaded | frederick: Now in that room with dpkg type 'marillat' |
| 10:35.11 | evaded | frederick: Aai, you're are running sid? |
| 10:35.32 | frederick | evaded: no not quite, i'm running sarge |
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| 10:35.52 | frederick | but that marillat compilation has the plugins on their sid version |
| 10:35.59 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:35.59 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:36.09 | frederick | evade: and no plugins without |
| 10:36.47 | evaded | frederick: Yes, these are some newer packages, from testing/unstable. But an bit with older libraries to ensure the working with Sarge |
| 10:37.31 | funky1 | how do i know which linux headers i need to install for my kernel? scusi for the n00b question... |
| 10:37.40 | evaded | frederick: ignore that last i have switched with the backports lol :-) |
| 10:37.53 | tarzeau | funky1: uname -r says what? |
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| 10:38.06 | chuby007 | how do i create a new imap mailbox ? |
| 10:38.22 | frederick | evaded: i wanted something like mplayerplug-in or kmplayer but they were both unstable/testing is there anything that will work in stable for watching asf asx streaming video's |
| 10:38.26 | funky1 | 2.6.16 |
| 10:38.41 | funky1 | that's all it says |
| 10:38.41 | tarzeau | funky1: you built your own kernel? |
| 10:38.44 | funky1 | yep |
| 10:38.51 | tarzeau | funky1: using make-kpkg? |
| 10:38.55 | funky1 | needed it |
| 10:38.57 | funky1 | yes |
| 10:39.05 | tarzeau | funky1: then make-kpkg kernel_headers ? |
| 10:39.32 | funky1 | ah that will work? |
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| 10:39.49 | evaded | frederick: Do '/msg dpkg asf' |
| 10:39.55 | funky1 | didn't know thx will try |
| 10:40.01 | fluxdude | i've got a problem with a script doing ssh hostname "some commands;". The ssh just hangs the script! ps shows process is T (stopped)... Why??!! |
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| 10:43.27 | evaded | frederick: There is 'asf player' |
| 10:43.34 | funky1 | tarzeau: kewl it worked, thx a bunch :D |
| 10:45.57 | evaded | It's looks that dpkg are a bit outdated for the keyword 'asf'. Many links are dead |
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| 10:46.52 | frederick | evaded: the default is kaboodle at the moment but I don't think it's going to work |
| 10:47.09 | evaded | frederick: And mplayer? |
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| 10:47.31 | evaded | frederick: I not know many about the proprietairy formats :-/ |
| 10:47.46 | frederick | evaded: i will try mplayer again |
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| 10:48.55 | frederick | evaded: you can try on your home machine if you like "computer science lectures" http://ilectures.uwa.edu.au/ilectures/ilectures.lasso?ut=247 |
| 10:49.35 | evaded | frederick: That's an nice challenge :-) I make quick an cup of coffee :-) |
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| 10:52.32 | frederick | evaded: you are up for the challenge then, well it's possible because i had mandriva installed and it worked fine they have their own version of marillat to download mplayer |
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| 10:54.26 | evaded | frederick: I know how we can dump it. Momment |
| 10:54.35 | toni_ | Hi! I dimly remember that there's a free alternative to Flash out there - but don't quite remember (SVG+?), and have trouble finding it. It should be useable to create interactive applications with sound (eg. video tutorials + student's action, in my case). Any ideas, please? |
| 10:54.59 | frederick | evaded: dump it? Also there is Quicktime movies if you can get those to work as an alternative |
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| 10:55.40 | evaded | frederick: You want to download these and put these on your |
| 10:55.56 | evaded | frederick: oeps.. and leave it on you're hdd? |
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| 10:56.12 | bpuzon | hello, what is the best tool for monitoring the traffic statistics on interfaces? It would be nice if the tool could show statistics via www |
| 10:56.40 | frederick | evaded: I could do that, but it would mean a bit of a wait priot to watching |
| 10:58.16 | jm_ | bpuzon: try ntop or darkstat |
| 10:58.24 | evaded | frederick: Moment i will show you an tip |
| 10:58.58 | frederick | evaded: sure |
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| 11:01.25 | evaded | frederick: Look this :-) http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=70 |
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| 11:04.13 | champy77 | hola |
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| 11:04.25 | intx | anyone here using selinux with sarge? |
| 11:04.43 | intx | or pax even? |
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| 11:06.57 | Sonderblade | when i run dpkg-scanpackages it says "Packages in archive but missing from override file" what does that mean? |
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| 11:09.00 | evaded | frederick: Have you get it? |
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| 11:10.05 | evaded | frederick: I write that page a bit, like it's in Dutch. It was an little note i have make. I go to work a bit on that article |
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| 11:11.04 | andrs | Can someone tell me where to set the DNS-server in debian? =) |
| 11:11.16 | bpuzon | jm_ thanks |
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| 11:13.32 | evaded | andrew`: the /etc/resolf.conf ?? |
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| 11:14.06 | evaded | andrs: the /etc/resolf.conf ?? |
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| 11:15.08 | jm_ | resolv.conf |
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| 11:16.02 | andrs | thanks =) |
| 11:16.04 | frederick | evaded: yes I read that article, I didn't understand it |
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| 11:16.28 | evaded | frederick: It keep the steaming from the internet and convert it to an mpg movie |
| 11:17.27 | frederick | evaded: ok that sounds cool, but I wasn't able to get it to work for some reason |
| 11:18.08 | andrs | hmm, is there any way to check what the dns is set to, dns doesnt seem to work even tho I changed the file, and restartet the network(/etc/init.d/networking restart)... |
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| 11:19.17 | jm_ | did you check if restarting networking has updated resolv.conf file? |
| 11:20.16 | evaded | frederick: You need to have 'lynx' installed, i guess you missing it 'apt-cache search lynx' |
| 11:20.44 | c459s | Can anyone recommend a secure IRC bouncer for debian stable? |
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| 11:21.51 | andrs | jm_, no it didn't change resolv.conf |
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| 11:22.33 | jm_ | andrs: test if host/nslookup works with this DNS server then |
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| 11:23.33 | frederick | evaded: i don't think it works for some of my movies because they are in Asx and the url is funny |
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| 11:24.24 | evaded | frederick: Have you an asx link. I try it |
| 11:25.34 | frederick | evaded: http://ilectures.uwa.edu.au/ilectures/media/3CE6C4390c48225AF5oiY3224592/2006-04-26-1100-192980.asx |
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| 11:26.25 | andrs | jm_, not sure what you mean, but nslookup >debian.org didnt work. |
| 11:26.50 | Thanatermesis | any person knows about a application "planner/remember/calendar/agenda" style ? i can't found any :/ |
| 11:27.07 | Sonderblade | how do you do to list all installed packages? |
| 11:27.15 | jm_ | andrs: nslookup www.debian.org <ip of your DNS server> |
| 11:27.30 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: I use tkremind |
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| 11:28.03 | andrs | jm_, connection timed out. |
| 11:28.09 | jm_ | andrs: well then |
| 11:28.38 | bbb | Is there any package available with a gcc cross compiler for m68k ? If not is there a good howto somewhere explaining how to create it ? |
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| 11:28.53 | jm_ | andrew`: so you either have wrong IP or you're not allowed to use it, or your firewall/whatever is blocking it |
| 11:29.02 | jm_ | andrs ^^^^^^^ |
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| 11:29.44 | jm_ | Sonderblade: read the FAQ |
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| 11:30.51 | andrs | jm_, thanks =) |
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| 11:31.39 | linnuxxy | is recommanded to update the kernel version, i have 2.4.27-2-386, if yes, to wich version should i upgrade? |
| 11:32.03 | linnuxxy | s/is/'is it' |
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| 11:33.21 | backz | Hi, I need to recompile a kernel of a remote machine, in a datacenter, what's the best to do? recompile a NEW kernel from kernel.org or get the same source of my running kernel (2.6.8-3) on this server, reuse config file and apply patch? |
| 11:34.21 | terse | the latter is certainly the safer option |
| 11:35.10 | backz | terse, I need this PATCH: [PATCH] fix reboot via keyboard controller reset |
| 11:35.29 | backz | it is in the 2.6.14 kernel |
| 11:35.54 | backz | how and where I get this patch for my 2.5.8-3 kernel ? |
| 11:36.21 | terse | i don't know sorry |
| 11:37.05 | evaded | frederick: Need you the 'w32codecs'?? |
| 11:38.02 | frederick | evaded: I have them :) Actually would you direct me to the benefits and Methods of compiling a custom Kernel image |
| 11:38.22 | backz | terse, there is 2.6.15 for download compiled to sarge? |
| 11:38.29 | evaded | frederick: I not know that, here these things work great :-/ |
| 11:38.49 | frederick | evaded: custom kernel images? |
| 11:39.11 | terse | i don't know, i'm using testing backz |
| 11:39.17 | evaded | !tell frederick about custom kernel |
| 11:39.17 | frederick | evaded: i have no clue how to do systems programming |
| 11:39.32 | terse | i compiled my own kernel from kernel.org aswell, so i'm doubly clueless about what kernels are in apyt |
| 11:39.52 | evaded | !tell frederick about debian kernel image |
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| 11:40.30 | fangel | which package should one install to get the binary "rlog".. its cvs-related, but isn't in "cvs" |
| 11:40.39 | frederick | evaded: i must be among that 99% |
| 11:40.55 | evaded | frederick: :-/ |
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| 11:42.20 | frederick | evaded: i don't think I need one of them |
| 11:43.08 | evaded | frederick: I guess you need '/msg dpkg grounding' |
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| 11:51.24 | agilman_ | hello, Im fairly new to linux, and I decided to install debian. |
| 11:51.39 | agilman_ | it is asking me if I want to entrust font mangment to defoma, should I clikc yes or no? |
| 11:51.48 | terse | yes. |
| 11:51.54 | agilman_ | thanks buddy |
| 11:52.04 | terse | np |
| 11:52.13 | tosh | first step in learning linux is asking why you should click yes or no |
| 11:52.17 | jesusch | Hi |
| 11:52.33 | agilman_ | tosh, so whats defoma ? :) |
| 11:52.58 | terse | its a framework for managing fonts |
| 11:53.03 | terse | in debian |
| 11:53.19 | terse | debian font manager |
| 11:53.46 | jesusch | I'd like to setup a local debian mirror for i386 and amd64 but debmirror fails 'cause there is no Packages.gz for sarge/amd64 (of course). Any method to get it working to fetch the software but not for sarge/amd64? |
| 11:54.08 | agilman_ | terse: does debian come with x? or do I have to manually configure it? |
| 11:54.36 | terse | usually you have to configure it |
| 11:54.43 | azeem | agilman_: it will be setup if you choose the desktop task |
| 11:54.54 | azeem | you might need to answer some questions, though |
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| 11:55.07 | agilman_ | doh! I already skipped that part :( |
| 11:55.11 | Thanatermesis | thanks jm_, it looks very ugly but... complete :) |
| 11:55.11 | terse | i must try x sometime |
| 11:55.19 | terse | i hear xfce is good? |
| 11:55.28 | agilman_ | terse: yea, I love xfce |
| 11:55.32 | azeem | agilman_: you can run tasksel manually as root from the command line |
| 11:55.52 | agilman_ | tasksel? |
| 11:56.01 | liable | yes |
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| 11:56.24 | agilman_ | whats that? |
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| 11:56.51 | terse | its a script that lets you install all the packages needed for a certain task |
| 11:56.54 | terse | ie, desktop use |
| 11:56.56 | terse | server use |
| 11:57.03 | terse | file server, print server etc |
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| 11:57.22 | xoip | hello, how can I add multiple ips on a debian ? |
| 11:57.22 | agilman_ | ohh, thanks! |
| 11:57.25 | agilman_ | thats really helpful |
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| 11:58.32 | agilman_ | sweet, its running right now |
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| 12:00.41 | agilman_ | Im not completely new to linux, I just dont know how to configure these things :( |
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| 12:02.58 | terse | it can be pretty daunting, especially some man files... yikes. |
| 12:03.36 | jind | xoip, you can add another ipadress to a networking device that already have an ipadress with: "ifconfig ethX:1 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" |
| 12:03.42 | netfrog | xoip, man 5 interfaces |
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| 12:06.40 | azeem | enkrypt: please turn that off |
| 12:07.00 | dimir | Or else! |
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| 12:08.16 | lwolf | hi, i'm looking for a good alternative to webalizer... can somebody give me a tip ? |
| 12:08.28 | meeps | autoagay :D |
| 12:08.28 | meeps | hehe |
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| 12:08.39 | netfrog | lwolf, some like "awstats" .. |
| 12:08.58 | meeps | Netfrog most hehe |
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| 12:09.12 | lwolf | netfrog, thanx ;))) |
| 12:09.51 | netfrog | lwolf, chack this out : <http://www.google.com/analytics/> (i don't know what's the status) |
| 12:09.57 | netfrog | s/chack/check |
| 12:10.22 | lwolf | netfrog, awstats is what i wanted |
| 12:10.36 | lwolf | for an good alternative to google analytics, there is phpmyvisites |
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| 12:10.43 | lwolf | ;) |
| 12:11.30 | netfrog | lwolf, thanks. i did not knew about this one |
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| 12:11.39 | netfrog | s/knew/know |
| 12:13.28 | lwolf | netfrog, i've discovered it recently ;) |
| 12:13.45 | lwolf | netfrog : it a good way to do stats when you don't have access to apache logs |
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| 12:21.54 | debiankid | good mornig everyone |
| 12:22.31 | debiankid | i need a hand here , this morning my server started to send me this message |
| 12:22.32 | debiankid | dovecot: child 20248 (imap) killed with signal 11 |
| 12:22.47 | debiankid | what can be that? i cannot access to the mailboxes :( |
| 12:23.06 | netfrog | debiankid, 11 is SIGSEGV (crash) |
| 12:23.20 | debiankid | how can i fix that? |
| 12:23.27 | debiankid | installing again dovecot? |
| 12:23.57 | netfrog | debiankid, i usually don't mess with things like that and just install an alternative ... |
| 12:24.02 | azeem | debiankid: what version of Debian is your server running? |
| 12:24.14 | debiankid | debvian 3.1 sarge |
| 12:24.18 | debiankid | debian 3.1 sarge |
| 12:24.37 | debiankid | i have running postfix with dovecot |
| 12:25.03 | debiankid | but since this morning reject users to acces to mailboxes |
| 12:25.21 | debiankid | and the log u allready saw it :( |
| 12:25.38 | debiankid | what i have to do ? im having a big trouble now here |
| 12:26.24 | debiankid | netfrog install again dovecot should work ? |
| 12:26.50 | netfrog | debhelper, i don't know |
| 12:27.06 | netfrog | s/debhelper/debiankid |
| 12:27.28 | debiankid | im kinda screw :(( |
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| 12:28.45 | azeem | debiankid: did you upgrade your system last night or something? |
| 12:28.45 | netfrog | debiankid, i would stromgly suggest checking alternatives |
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| 12:30.11 | netfrog | debiankid, i had this kind of problem with proftpd. just switched to Pure-FTPd ... |
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| 12:31.05 | netfrog | debiankid, as in your case - in debian stable (3.1), appeared out of nowhere ... |
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| 12:31.56 | debiankid | azeem nope |
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| 12:33.43 | debiankid | azeem i dont touch my mail server |
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| 12:36.07 | Mitar | is there any package for VMWare tools? i really do not like an idea of installing it without package |
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| 12:37.52 | debiankid | people give me a hand pls |
| 12:38.03 | superlinux | hi all |
| 12:38.17 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.20 | superlinux | a great news from me |
| 12:38.30 | sohmestra | Mitar: not that I know of. Installing it is normally pretty easy, and there is an uninstall script for it as well. |
| 12:39.04 | funky | any1 uses camserv? |
| 12:39.09 | Mitar | but it still breaks the great Debian idea that every file belongs to a package |
| 12:39.22 | Mitar | (which is not in /home) |
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| 12:39.33 | funky | just installed iit but get an error when i run it (V4L) mmap: Invalid argument |
| 12:39.48 | funky | some1 got a clue what that means? |
| 12:40.17 | petemc | mmap is a system call |
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| 12:40.58 | funky | ok and that means? or better how do ifix it, i'm a little n00b to linux, been using it only for a year |
| 12:41.20 | petemc | i dont know what iit is, or how you're trying to install it |
| 12:41.55 | funky | just used apt-get install camserv |
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| 12:42.19 | funky | but when i start it, i get that error |
| 12:42.27 | petemc | funky: have you got your hardware set up correctly? |
| 12:42.43 | petemc | verified its working with xawtv |
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| 12:42.55 | petemc | (assuming its a webcam) |
| 12:42.59 | sohmestra | debiankid: what errors are you getting in your logs? |
| 12:43.16 | debiankid | sohmestra dovecot: child 20248 (imap) killed with signal 11 |
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| 12:43.29 | sohmestra | debiankid: nothing else? |
| 12:43.40 | debiankid | ahh |
| 12:43.48 | funky | petemc: yep tested it with xawtv, tvtime all working fine |
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| 12:43.59 | debiankid | May 3 08:39:51 simpson imap-login: Login: reyna [127.0.0.1] |
| 12:43.59 | debiankid | May 3 08:39:51 simpson dovecot: child 21481 (imap) killed with signal 11 |
| 12:44.09 | debiankid | sohmestra thats all |
| 12:44.19 | debiankid | on and on |
| 12:44.20 | funky | tv card workd, composite in as well |
| 12:44.30 | debiankid | no1 can log on to the mail server |
| 12:44.43 | debiankid | the webmail said connectio dropped by imap server |
| 12:44.49 | sohmestra | debiankid: are you running dovecot via inetd or as a standalone daemon? |
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| 12:45.03 | debiankid | sohmestra via inetd |
| 12:45.10 | debiankid | sohmestra via init.d |
| 12:45.15 | petemc | funky: dunno then, check if there are any bug reports for camserv |
| 12:46.07 | sohmestra | debiankid: are you low in memory, diskspace, or anything? |
| 12:46.17 | sohmestra | debiankid: what is your load average? |
| 12:46.19 | debiankid | no |
| 12:46.35 | debiankid | sohmestra 70% idle |
| 12:46.41 | funky | hm oki do u maybe know some other app with which i can easily stream webcam or tv on website? |
| 12:47.36 | sohmestra | debiankid: have you tried running it as a daemon rather than via inetd? |
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| 12:48.14 | debiankid | sohmestra i dont think so |
| 12:48.41 | debiankid | sohmestra the fact is that yesterday the server was doing ok but this morning he start doing this |
| 12:48.46 | sohmestra | debiankid: I don't know what difference it might make, but you could give it a try. |
| 12:48.48 | Roey | Hello, I'm trying to find a tool other than mkext2fs for installing newer kernels. http://rafb.net/paste/results/OeXS6Y49.html |
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| 12:49.01 | Roey | What's going wrong with this process above? |
| 12:49.12 | debiankid | sohmestra how come? |
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| 12:50.29 | sohmestra | debiankid: troubleshooting. if you don't know what isnt working, change the way you are using it until it does. once you find what works, it may give you a clue to what exactly _isnt_ working, and why. |
| 12:50.59 | sohmestra | debiankid: trying something is much more productive than trying nothing, at this point. |
| 12:51.23 | debiankid | sohmestra simpson:~# ps fax |grep dovecot |
| 12:51.23 | debiankid | 21680 pts/1 S+ 0:00 \_ grep dovecot |
| 12:51.23 | debiankid | 21244 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dovecot |
| 12:51.23 | debiankid | 21245 ? S 0:00 \_ dovecot-auth |
| 12:51.23 | Roey | hi... I'm having trouble installing this kernel here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OeXS6Y49.html <-- the instlal process keeps trying to use a tool that isn't installed andd doesn't appear in the Debian repository. |
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| 12:51.54 | debiankid | sohmestra i think dovecot is running |
| 12:52.18 | sohmestra | debiankid: have you restarted it? |
| 12:52.49 | debiankid | yes |
| 12:53.17 | debiankid | 21696 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dovecot |
| 12:53.17 | debiankid | 21697 ? S 0:00 \_ dovecot-auth |
| 12:53.58 | sohmestra | debiankid: can you increase the debugging outut of the imap daemon? |
| 12:54.26 | agilman_ | I just installed x, and my mouse isn't working, any tips? |
| 12:54.41 | debiankid | sohmestra how can i do that? |
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| 12:56.13 | sohmestra | debiankid: set auth_verbose=yes in the config |
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| 12:56.56 | sohmestra | debiankid: and auth_debug=yes |
| 12:58.18 | debiankid | sohmestra let me restart |
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| 13:00.39 | debiankid | sohmestra pasted |
| 13:01.04 | debiankid | sohmestra http://channels.debian.net/paste/2474 |
| 13:01.04 | sohmestra | debiankid: pasted where? |
| 13:01.59 | pingu | Anyone here use mrxvt? |
| 13:02.26 | debiankid | sohmestra saw? |
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| 13:04.08 | jm_ | pingu: yes |
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| 13:04.48 | pingu | jm_, just off the top of your head. Sometimes when screwing up some control-alt-shift sort of combinations I turn on transparency. |
| 13:04.50 | Chameleon22 | i migrated my postgresql data to another server using debian testing and now every time i try to restart postgresql server i get prompted for a password, is there a way to stop that ? |
| 13:04.56 | pingu | You know what combination this is? |
| 13:05.17 | pingu | Chameleon22, as root? That's weird. |
| 13:05.52 | debiankid | so what d you think about ? |
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| 13:06.30 | Chameleon22 | pingu, ye as root (and as db root user as well) |
| 13:06.53 | pingu | Wonder what it's prompting for... Postgresql doesn't work like that does it? |
| 13:07.20 | Chameleon22 | pingu, i didnt think so |
| 13:07.34 | jm_ | pingu: Ctrl_Shift_r : toggle psdudo-transparency from TIPS.gz |
| 13:07.48 | Chameleon22 | but i type in db root pwd 3 times before it gives me a '.' to stdout and appears to restart the server WEIRD |
| 13:08.00 | sohmestra | debiankid: I'm not sure what to tell you...the log doesn't really provide any useful info. |
| 13:08.05 | sohmestra | debiankid: http://www.dovecot.org/bugreport.html |
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| 13:09.29 | debiankid | sohmestra gdb /usr/local/libexec/dovecot/imap /path/to/core can be /home/anyuser/core ? |
| 13:09.30 | rohan | can someone on debian sid and konqui plz confirm this bug for me ? -- bugs.kde.org/126659 |
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| 13:09.49 | sohmestra | debiankid: is there nothing related to dovecot in any of the logs beside /var/log/mail.log? |
| 13:09.52 | paco | ih |
| 13:09.55 | superlinux | hi al |
| 13:09.56 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 13:10.29 | paco | someone knows how to execute some commands when I plug a PCMCIA card ? |
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| 13:12.18 | debiankid | sohmestra no |
| 13:12.29 | debiankid | sohmestra only mail.info |
| 13:12.47 | superlinux | if a ppp client disconnected suddenly , not inentionally: powerdown or the like, will the ppp/ip-down.d/ scripts execute? |
| 13:13.06 | DataTheAndroid | www.ispconfig.com -- this does not work on our Debian. Any (free) alternative, which is just as easy to use? |
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| 13:14.21 | superlinux | DataTheAndroid, there is webmin but some says it's insecure |
| 13:14.29 | superlinux | but anyway I am using it |
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| 13:15.15 | ihope | Ello. |
| 13:15.45 | Invisible_Magi | superlinux: insecure if you dont use it in ssl |
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| 13:16.29 | DediZone_ | thats hardly webmins fault |
| 13:16.30 | nicky | hi all. Any idea why dialup connection won't allow users to connect to DNS, but the dial up connection has been setup succesfully (i can ping my gateway)? |
| 13:16.35 | superlinux | true |
| 13:16.39 | ihope | Anybody know why RvGaTe seems to be unable to talk here? |
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| 13:16.45 | nicky | i am using Sarge, with Smart Link modem |
| 13:16.46 | superlinux | Invisible_Magi, your correct |
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| 13:17.06 | abrotman | !sl modem |
| 13:17.08 | abrotman | !slmodem |
| 13:17.09 | dpkg | methinks slmodem is http://www.smlink.com/content.aspx?id=132, or http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/, or now in sarge+ |
| 13:17.15 | nicky | thanks abrotman |
| 13:17.26 | abrotman | nicky: the source packages are in sarge and newer |
| 13:17.33 | superlinux | DataTheAndroid, I am setting up for some guy here in lebanon a server |
| 13:17.53 | nicky | abrotman, what strange is, i can use it on my previous system. Then, i reinstall debian. Then it cannot work |
| 13:17.57 | superlinux | and I am using all available tools to finish it out |
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| 13:18.05 | abrotman | nicky: it's a pretty finicky driver |
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| 13:18.20 | ihope | abrotman: do you know why RvGaTe can't talk in this channel? |
| 13:18.21 | nicky | abrotman, agreed |
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| 13:18.51 | abrotman | ihope: someone banned him? :) |
| 13:19.01 | ihope | But did somebody ban him? |
| 13:19.10 | nicky | my modem event does't make sound when connecting |
| 13:19.29 | abrotman | ihope: lorez did |
| 13:19.35 | ihope | Ah. |
| 13:19.41 | Trev_ | sms ? silent modem syndrome ? |
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| 13:19.45 | abrotman | ihope: and i'm not sure why |
| 13:19.53 | LoRez | banned who? |
| 13:20.04 | nicky | Trev_, what is that? |
| 13:20.11 | Trev_ | a bad joke sorry. |
| 13:20.18 | nicky | hehehe |
| 13:20.19 | abrotman | LoRez: n=RvGaTe@c78129.upc-c.chello.nl |
| 13:20.20 | ihope | LoRez: RvGaTe |
| 13:20.33 | ihope | Yeah, that. |
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| 13:20.42 | superlinux | if a ppp client disconnected suddenly , not inentionally: powerdown or the like, will the ppp/ip-down.d/ existing on the server sidescripts execute? |
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| 13:20.58 | nicky | i really dont know why the same driver, the same debian version, the same package list, the same kernel, but it cannot work on new system. |
| 13:20.59 | jm_ | superlinux: yes |
| 13:21.01 | abrotman | LoRez: sorry .. he was asking me to unban him .. which is obviously impossible :) |
| 13:21.04 | superlinux | thanks! |
| 13:21.20 | superlinux | then 100% I should be given |
| 13:21.22 | jm_ | superlinux: and powerdown means it will exit gracefully |
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| 13:21.46 | abrotman | LoRez: from last thursday 27th |
| 13:21.50 | superlinux | jm_, I mean like in you unplug the cable |
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| 13:21.58 | jm_ | superlinux: ok |
| 13:22.04 | superlinux | and leave it for a while |
| 13:22.21 | LoRez | Apr 27 07:23:57 * RvGaTe^off is away (/me disconnected, BNC took over) |
| 13:22.37 | superlinux | jm_, will it do it? |
| 13:22.52 | LoRez | RvGaTe: do you have that stupid BNC away script turned off yet? |
| 13:23.04 | nicky | abrotman, any possibility that it's have problem because i installed alsa? |
| 13:23.04 | jm_ | superlinux: yes, AFAIK it does |
| 13:23.17 | superlinux | what is AFAIK? |
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| 13:23.24 | nicky | as far as i know |
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| 13:24.04 | superlinux | ok |
| 13:24.06 | superlinux | thanks |
| 13:24.37 | abrotman | LoRez: he says he turned it off |
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| 13:24.41 | pizzahead | can anyone point to me to a document about installing debian properly on a hardware raid system? I'm having issues with the machine not seeing the mbr for some reason. It's an nvidia sata raid controller and I installed everything to /dev/sda which seems to have been mirrored fine but no luck booting up. |
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| 13:25.06 | abrotman | pizzahead: you setup the logical drives in the RAID BIOS .. then install like normal |
| 13:25.13 | abrotman | pizzahead: what is the controller? |
| 13:25.14 | SlayerXP | pizzahead: that sounds like onbaord software raid nonsense to me |
| 13:25.21 | SlayerXP | onboard |
| 13:25.25 | abrotman | onbored? |
| 13:25.28 | RvGaTe | testing |
| 13:25.32 | RvGaTe | hurray \o/ |
| 13:25.37 | pizzahead | abrotman: yea I built a mirrored array through the raid bios |
| 13:25.44 | abrotman | pizzahead: what controller? |
| 13:26.00 | pizzahead | abrotman: nvidia |
| 13:26.09 | pizzahead | heh |
| 13:26.15 | jm_ | pizzahead: that is not hardware RAID |
| 13:26.22 | loxley_ | pizzahead: heh fake raid |
| 13:26.42 | pizzahead | is it really fake raid? I thought there was a seperate card |
| 13:26.42 | RvGaTe | abrotman: LoRez, thx for unbanning/helping me |
| 13:26.46 | SlayerXP | pizzahead: you were fooled into buying crappy software road, congrats. |
| 13:26.49 | SlayerXP | raid |
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| 13:27.14 | nitr0 | hello ^^ |
| 13:27.18 | xface | i hi i just apt-get gaim 2 beta how dio i run it |
| 13:27.27 | xface | when i clcik on gaim icon it start 1.5 |
| 13:27.37 | pizzahead | SlayerXP: thanks for your great advice... |
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| 13:28.29 | xface | ? |
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| 13:29.01 | pizzahead | so back to my original question |
| 13:29.10 | nitr0 | nobody can help me ? I have a problem about the detection of my ethernet card, Its an internal card from Nvidia Chipset ( Yucon / Marvell Drivers i think .. ) |
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| 13:29.20 | pizzahead | software raid but not at the OS level, mirroring works, can't boot |
| 13:29.42 | jm_ | nitr0: nforce ethernet doesn't use marvell drivers |
| 13:29.57 | terse | can you do any kind of raid with different size harddrives? |
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| 13:30.31 | terse | i think you need sk98 or sklin98 drivers for marvell yucon cards nitr0 |
| 13:30.50 | jm_ | try pasting your lspci output here http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and see what it says |
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| 13:34.46 | abrotman | pizzahead: that is not a real RAID card |
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| 13:34.47 | tombs | hi all |
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| 13:35.06 | pizzahead | abrotman: and that helps my situation how? |
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| 13:35.21 | loxley_ | pizzahead: turn off and use linux software raid |
| 13:35.27 | abrotman | pizzahead: just that you'll either need to buy a real RAID card .. or use software raid in the kernel |
| 13:35.32 | JmGV | is debian ia64 for intel xeon? |
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| 13:35.40 | rpt | ey any helpful links/tutorials to get me started with two NICs and two networks on one computer? |
| 13:35.44 | abrotman | JmGV: not even close |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 13:35.45 | dpkg | i guess ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion, it is NOT ia64 |
| 13:35.58 | jm_ | actually no, one can use that as RAID too |
| 13:36.04 | debiankid | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2476 |
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| 13:36.13 | loxley_ | rpt: man interfaces |
| 13:36.15 | abrotman | jm_: use what? |
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| 13:36.26 | jm_ | abrotman: nv raid |
| 13:36.32 | pizzahead | it doesn't make sense why I couldn't |
| 13:36.34 | abrotman | jm_: ok .. you help pizzahead head then |
| 13:36.35 | pizzahead | it's not happening at the OS level |
| 13:36.36 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:36.37 | pizzahead | heh |
| 13:36.44 | pizzahead | it's not a big deal for me to not use it |
| 13:36.59 | jm_ | abrotman: not really, it's not trivial |
| 13:37.14 | pizzahead | unlike SlayerX's assumptions, #1 I didn't buy the server #2 it just happened to come with it |
| 13:37.31 | rpt | loxley_: cheers, hope it tells me how to deal with connecting to the right network from within one LAN :o) |
| 13:37.33 | petemc | pizzahead: have you tried googling for linux nvidia raid ? |
| 13:37.37 | jm_ | you can pass his congratulations to the people that purchased it |
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| 13:38.33 | abrotman | pizzahead: i didn't accuse you of anything .. just that AFAIK . it's not real RAID |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 13:38.37 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 13:38.45 | pizzahead | abrotman: not you, slayerxp |
| 13:38.55 | pizzahead | abrotman: you were helpful :) |
| 13:39.17 | jm_ | we can change http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ to http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | we can!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:39.45 | abrotman | jm_: same server? just different hostname or different info ? |
| 13:39.53 | abrotman | oh .. it's a redirect |
| 13:40.05 | jm_ | abrotman: it used to be yyz.us, but now has a new domain |
| 13:40.11 | abrotman | !sata faq =~ s#http://linux.yyz.us/sata/#http://linux-ata.org/# |
| 13:40.11 | dpkg | abrotman: that doesn't contain 'http://linux.yyz.us/sata/' |
| 13:40.12 | jm_ | it's the same site |
| 13:40.15 | abrotman | yes it does! |
| 13:40.19 | jm_ | I have changed it |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | oh |
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| 13:43.41 | pizzahead | abrotman: looks like I'm wrong, data has not been replicated but I'm not getting a degradation error like I was before. |
| 13:43.56 | xerophyte | where can i find sarge iso ? |
| 13:44.12 | mosty | xerophyte, google? |
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| 13:44.35 | pizzahead | xerophyte: build one with jigdo |
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| 13:45.02 | tralala | xerophyte: www.debian.org |
| 13:45.04 | cafuego | cdimage.debian.org, no? |
| 13:45.06 | jm_ | xerophyte: on Debian CD mirrors obviously |
| 13:45.27 | xerophyte | tralala, there where i am searching i think i am on wrong mirror list |
| 13:45.29 | xerophyte | jm_, thx |
| 13:45.46 | xerophyte | pizzahead, si there any reason you are pizzahead : |
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| 13:45.55 | jm_ | xerophyte: you have a link called "CD images" on the Debian web page |
| 13:46.03 | jm_ | CD ISO images even |
| 13:46.14 | pizzahead | xerophyte: yea because it was my bbs handle in the early 90's |
| 13:46.25 | pizzahead | xerophyte: and has nothing to do with bad skin |
| 13:46.25 | jm_ | but think twice about using those images, you should only need netinst CD |
| 13:46.42 | CBTC | where does one find the file needed to change the desktop resolution |
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| 13:47.04 | debnub | Hi everybody |
| 13:47.23 | mosty | cbtc: /etc/X11/xorg.conf for xorg, XF86Config-4 for xfree86 |
| 13:47.34 | CBTC | thanks |
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| 13:48.37 | debnub | Got a problem accessing internet. Using a external router. It works fine doing netisnt but when on desktop environment i have no access to internet. any help. |
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| 13:48.52 | xerophyte | Jm_ lol there 12 cds hmmm |
| 13:49.39 | cubiq | Is there any command that checks disk IO? |
| 13:50.17 | mosty | can you ping your routers ip? |
| 13:50.48 | debnub | mosty: yes |
| 13:50.52 | JmGV | okey |
| 13:51.39 | debnub | i´m using winxp now and it works fine |
| 13:52.42 | mosty | debnub, i meant from linux. if you can ping your routers ip in linux, can you do domain name lookups? |
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| 13:55.41 | debnub | mosty: when i opened this irc client got the message "Your forward and reverse DNS don't match" |
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| 13:57.28 | softy | in current stable release (r2) there are XFree or Xorg? |
| 13:57.50 | debnub | mosty: ping router ok |
| 13:58.53 | debnub | mosty: traceroute also works. what's domain name lookups? |
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| 14:00.05 | mikeConigliaro | there seems to be a bug in the debian installer. i set the domain name, but it gets set to 'localdomain' anyway. is anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 14:00.11 | Celeste | hi |
| 14:00.23 | Celeste | I have a problem with java for firefox |
| 14:00.45 | Celeste | "java-package" has been downloaded and installed correctly by using apt-get |
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| 14:01.02 | Celeste | but I do not understand the infos what I have to do now |
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| 14:03.08 | rpt | hmm what 'interfaces' doesnt explain is, on which NIC are the services like ssh / http ran, and where can I change that? |
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| 14:04.59 | loxley_ | rpt: /etc/ssh/ /etc/apache /etc/apache2 |
| 14:05.19 | rpt | I see, each to his own eh :) |
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| 14:05.39 | SquareGuy | debian sarge 3.1, 2.6.8-3-686-smp - using gnome desktop - famd is running at 90%+ after moving files in nautilus, files with thumbnail previews. I have to manually kill famd. Is this a know problem and are there any suggested fixes? |
| 14:06.06 | loxley_ | rpt: its not a feature of interfaces to configure that, its up to each of the services config files |
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| 14:06.49 | lewis | hi |
| 14:07.28 | lewis | hi |
| 14:07.38 | Ronin | yes we see you lewis |
| 14:07.44 | rpt | loxley_: yea thats what I meant, um what about if I'd like to have one of the networks only accessable within the LAN, never send or receive packets from outside it (this LAN would be connected to the internet thougha s it has some windows machines)? |
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| 14:08.19 | lewis | i am not good at debian |
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| 14:09.20 | lewis | help me at GET DIVX FOR DEBIAN ON MY PC |
| 14:09.35 | CBTC | yelling doesn't get it faster |
| 14:09.36 | CBTC | heh |
| 14:09.38 | petemc | thats a good way to ask for help |
| 14:09.50 | sohmestra | lewis: USING ALL CAPS IS A GOOD WAY TO GET IGNORED |
| 14:09.59 | lewis | ok |
| 14:10.03 | CBTC | google 'divx on debian' |
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| 14:10.10 | lewis | ok |
| 14:10.21 | CBTC | google is your friend |
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| 14:10.29 | lewis | ok |
| 14:10.34 | petemc | marillat / w32codecs |
| 14:10.41 | loxley_ | rpt: so just do it, set eth0 to an valid internet address the set eth1 to 192.168.0.0/24 etc |
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| 14:11.18 | pzn | how to roll-back last dselect selections that I did? (i said NO at install and now want to roll-back) |
| 14:11.30 | lewis | help me get the tar.bz2 in |
| 14:11.35 | SquareGuy | petemc, yeah thank goodness for that repository and of course grab libdvdcss too |
| 14:11.55 | abrotman | lewis: please show us the results of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 14:12.06 | lewis | ? |
| 14:12.22 | CBTC | lewis: tar --help |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | lewis: please show us the results of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 14:12.48 | rpt | loxley_: both eth0 and eth1 will be behind a NAT router though |
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| 14:13.16 | loxley_ | rpt: yea, and one of them into that router right? |
| 14:13.38 | rpt | loxley_: I have two routers, actually, both nics go through one router |
| 14:13.41 | rpt | different router |
| 14:14.06 | loxley_ | rpt: well the point is if different netmasks and you dont set up ip forwarding then , no problem |
| 14:14.49 | lewis | F.U |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | that was easy |
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| 14:15.26 | CBTC | wow |
| 14:16.05 | debnub | mosty must be busy. Have no internet although my network works fine (ping, traceroute)under a nat router. Have no access to www though(except on winxp). any help? |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | !irritate CBTC |
| 14:16.15 | dpkg | CBTC: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my kanotix werkz ????? |
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| 14:16.39 | rpt | loxley_: i see, well I shall try it out :) |
| 14:16.52 | CBTC | abrotman: ok.. and.. |
| 14:16.58 | abrotman | CBTC: laugh? :) |
| 14:17.00 | CBTC | :L |
| 14:17.24 | CBTC | abrotman: good to know for future |
| 14:17.26 | CBTC | :) |
| 14:17.33 | CBTC | hehe |
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| 14:18.27 | loxley_ | debnub: can you ping any host outside with their ip ? |
| 14:18.32 | rpt | loxley_: one more question, do most/all(?) programs use eth0 by default? |
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| 14:19.01 | rpt | loxley_: fe. 'ftp' program i cant seem to find a config for it anywhere :o) |
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| 14:19.55 | debnub | loxley_: yes |
| 14:20.13 | loxley_ | debnub: check /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 14:21.35 | k8to | hi, i'm curious about the status of the apt sources for testing/main packages and testing/main source, which (i think) have not been updated for several days |
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| 14:22.06 | loxley_ | rpt: most listens to 0.0.0.0 which is all |
| 14:22.43 | linrunix | hi everybody |
| 14:22.47 | SquareGuy | does anyone have any ideas what to do to fix famd from using 95%+ cpu when moving files with thumbnail previews? |
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| 14:24.16 | debnub | loxley_: just mentions "nameserver router ip" |
| 14:24.44 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: config famd properly |
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| 14:26.57 | frederick | Does anyone know a program that can watch asx streaming movies from the web |
| 14:27.09 | Celeste | can anyone here help me installing java for firefox please? |
| 14:27.28 | petemc | frederick: mplayer, i think |
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| 14:27.56 | SquareGuy | WoodyWoodpecker, okay apparently it was not configured properly during install then. should i run dpkg reconfig or edit fam.conf? should i look at idle_timeout |
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| 14:28.11 | k8to | frederick: i think xine and mplayer can both do this, but for common codecs you will need to install legally questionable programs from w32codecs |
| 14:28.51 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: Edit fam.conf by hand. But read the man on it before |
| 14:29.14 | SquareGuy | WoodyWoodpecker, k thx. i'll be back |
| 14:29.24 | k8to | frederick: i get this sort of thing from deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main, but.. it is not a 100% pleasant process ;P |
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| 14:29.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: np |
| 14:30.32 | frederick | k8to: i'm just using sarge, I have to download too many files otherwise |
| 14:30.50 | k8to | frederick: i do not know of a solution for sarge |
| 14:30.57 | k8to | frederick: but I also would not |
| 14:31.01 | petemc | marillat works for sarge |
| 14:31.17 | strankan | does anyone know how to fix this problem with fbpanel? Compiled from source and everything went smooth during the make process. The i try starting it and get this messege: "fbpanel: symbol lookup error: /usr/share/fbpanel/plugins/separator.so: undefined symbol: get_line" |
| 14:31.28 | k8to | petemc: I know that i used marillat stuff for sarge when sarge was testing, is it still good? |
| 14:31.31 | frederick | k8to: thanks anyway, I have all the files installed for w32codecs, just a matter of having a plugin specialised for streaming things |
| 14:31.34 | petemc | its fine |
| 14:31.35 | k8to | petemc: given that the soures have moved on |
| 14:31.43 | k8to | frederick: ah |
| 14:31.50 | k8to | frederick: well i think xine and mplayer will both do it |
| 14:31.58 | k8to | frederick: but, i am not sure :( |
| 14:32.09 | frederick | k8to: i tried but it's very wierd, doesn't seem to work |
| 14:32.29 | k8to | asx is a stream, not a protocol, correct? |
| 14:32.47 | k8to | oh |
| 14:32.51 | frederick | k8to: yes I think |
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| 14:32.52 | k8to | asx is an infofile more or less |
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| 14:33.13 | frederick | mplayerplug-in for firefox worked beautifully but it's not on stable debian . |
| 14:33.17 | k8to | which probably points to a mms: stream |
| 14:33.34 | yggdrasil | hi, how can i see the leases my dhcpd has put out ? aside from dmesg |
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| 14:33.44 | k8to | frederick: i just use mimms to download such things since i detest dropouts |
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| 14:38.06 | jfil | http://propro95.hollosite.com |
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| 14:41.17 | backz | Hi. I've a motherboard VIA on a remote computer. I'm using sarge, with default kernel (2.6.8-3) , this have a bug, when I reboot the server it not come back. The support says that is a error in 2.6 kernel, for VIA chipsets, and it was fixed in kernel 2.6.14. is debian fixed it in kernel too? The patch is: [PATCH] fix reboot via keyboard controller reset |
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| 14:42.44 | Badcel | hi, in which file are the global variables normaly saved? |
| 14:43.18 | azeem | /etc/environment |
| 14:43.47 | frederick | Does anyone know how to use Mimms |
| 14:43.50 | frederick | mimms |
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| 14:43.56 | Badcel | thx asee |
| 14:43.58 | Badcel | m |
| 14:43.58 | cmot | yo all! |
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| 14:44.13 | cmot | can somebody remind me quickly |
| 14:44.30 | cmot | what's the config option/patch (kernel) for pata cdrom on sata IDE controller? |
| 14:44.38 | cmot | is it in the vanilla and/or debian ker |
| 14:44.44 | cmot | nel. (damn) |
| 14:44.48 | cmot | and from which version? |
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| 14:45.36 | cmot | AFAICT it's not the patch from alan cox (http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/~alan/IDE/), that one is only for driving old PATA controllers via new libata completely |
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| 14:48.03 | EvilDin | hay |
| 14:48.21 | EvilDin | need info how to limit general bandwidth on debian |
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| 14:50.00 | stew | EvilDin: apt-cache show wondershaper |
| 14:50.09 | EvilDin | ok |
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| 14:50.22 | Celeste | hi |
| 14:50.30 | Celeste | I am searching for a chinese Linux chat |
| 14:50.37 | Celeste | or a chinese debian chat |
| 14:50.41 | Celeste | is there something like that? |
| 14:50.52 | stew | !chinese |
| 14:50.52 | dpkg | hmm... chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh |
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| 14:51.41 | SquareGuy | WoodyWoodpecker, okay i got it. the problem was that famd was in poll mode because dnotify was not installed. i installed dnotify and restarted fam, all problems appear to be gone. |
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| 14:53.47 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: Yes. You need inotify support on the kernel as well, but I assume you either built your own or have a suitable kernel then. |
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| 14:55.01 | agilman_ | wow, Im compiling kernel for the first tiem in my life |
| 14:55.09 | agilman_ | this is worse then applying for financial aid |
| 14:55.26 | uwe | hello, im trying to install debian on an HP machine, but i keep gettting and error that grub is unable to get installed, nor LILO, now the machine has this grub command line, the machine has scsi with raid ... any ideas why this happens? |
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| 14:56.40 | loxley_ | uwe: you create software raid? |
| 14:56.45 | WoodyWoodpecker | agilman_: Why don't you go back 6 or 7 years in time and try the same |
| 14:57.05 | uwe | no loxley_ , simple normal partions |
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| 14:57.14 | slashzul | hey |
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| 14:57.31 | loxley_ | uwe: what raid controler do you have? |
| 14:57.46 | slashzul | how do you list packages to update just to view them? |
| 14:57.57 | slashzul | im using apt-get update but it tries to install all kinds of crap |
| 14:58.12 | SquareGuy | WoodyWoodpecker, must have it by default i am using a stock 2.6.8-3-686-smp kernel. Thanks for the help though, you got me looking in the right place! works soooo much better now. |
| 14:58.15 | slashzul | Id like to install them one by one to make sure nothing breaks |
| 14:58.35 | uwe | loxley_, um ... im not sure, let me reboot |
| 14:59.12 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: glad to help. Start reading every manual you step over :D |
| 15:00.06 | uwe | loxley_ on a go snar arrat 642 on a proliant |
| 15:00.38 | uwe | ouch , was typing without looking at the screen |
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| 15:02.14 | lord_rob | Hi ! Do I need to install a special package in order to be able to do X11 forwarding through ssh with xorg 7 (on both the server and the client) ? |
| 15:02.33 | uwe | HP smart array 642 controller on a proliant machine loxley_ |
| 15:02.46 | AzianFlu | i wouldn't think so lord_rob |
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| 15:03.45 | backz | hey... how I report a bug in sarge kernel ? |
| 15:04.02 | thingfish | backz: reportbug |
| 15:04.13 | uwe | could it possibly be that i need to create a small /boot partion ? |
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| 15:05.01 | backz | thingfish, if this bug was fixed in 2.6.14? |
| 15:05.11 | SquareGuy | lord_rob, well what i do is "ssh -X ip-address-of-box" login and run whatever from the commandline, including X apps. try something like xclock to check. is this what you were asking? you may need to modify sshd_conf and ssh_conf |
| 15:05.37 | stew | lord_rob: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:06.00 | thingfish | backz: I don't know what you'd do in that case. |
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| 15:06.36 | stew | backz: what is the nature of the bug? |
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| 15:07.02 | stew | backz: if its failure to support hardware, and it's fixed in a newer version, filing a bug is probably a waste of time |
| 15:07.16 | backz | stew, motherboard VIA problems. not security bug |
| 15:07.23 | stew | backz: in fact, if its something that is fixed in a newer version, the only bug worth filing is a security bug |
| 15:07.38 | stew | (unless it affected all users in some way) |
| 15:07.58 | backz | stew, then need I to get newest kernel image ? |
| 15:08.03 | lord_rob | thanks SquareGuy stew and AzianFlu |
| 15:08.05 | stew | backz: you can get a 2.6.15 kernel for sarge from backports.org |
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| 15:08.20 | stew | backz: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 15:08.30 | SquareGuy | lord_rob, np |
| 15:09.05 | backz | stew, is backports stable? will I have problems? is it better than recompile my own kernel ? |
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| 15:10.13 | stew | backz: backports is made up of packages made by the actual debian maintainers, just recompiled using the stable libs/toolchain, so they generally well looked after |
| 15:10.53 | abrotman | stew: can you fix the DNS issues? |
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| 15:11.40 | stew | abrotman: dns is for wimps, just use the IPs directly |
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| 15:11.55 | stew | abrotman: what problems? |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | stew: oh yeah .. i forgot the intarweb worked on numbers |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | 128.101.240.212 .. is toast .. and is an IP for ftp.us.dbian.org and security.d.o |
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| 15:12.30 | stew | that's not a dns issue |
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| 15:13.20 | abrotman | stew: it is if it's in the DNS .. take it out! |
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| 15:13.35 | stew | abrotman: that will just cause the other mirror to be toast |
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| 15:13.49 | abrotman | stew: which is different than now .. how exactly? .. |
| 15:14.00 | abrotman | since there is only one other security.d.o |
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| 15:14.36 | stew | abrotman: ftp.de.debian.org has an unofficial security mirror |
| 15:14.40 | stew | at least the used to |
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| 15:14.47 | abrotman | stew: yay unofficial security updates? :) |
| 15:15.11 | stew | is there some DSA forthcoming that is going to explain this? |
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| 15:15.49 | abrotman | stew: no .. the host is offline/dead/running gentoo/toast |
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| 15:16.29 | abrotman | or at least .. doesn't ever seem to work |
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| 15:16.53 | abrotman | or maybe it just magically returned |
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| 15:17.24 | abrotman | bah . i give up |
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| 15:18.34 | theine | Hi, I have a non-Debian related question. Is it possible to tell ssh in which directory I want to work in on the remote machine? |
| 15:18.38 | abrotman | stew: apparently it magically returned :) |
| 15:18.49 | stew | abrotman: you told me to fix it, right? |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | theine: on a Debian machine? |
| 15:18.52 | Badcel | how can i upgrade a single package via apt-get? |
| 15:18.56 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 15:19.01 | abrotman | Badcel: apt-get install package |
| 15:19.02 | stew | Badcel: apt-get install packagename |
| 15:19.07 | theine | abrotman: for instance |
| 15:19.14 | theine | abrotman: actually yes, in this case |
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| 15:19.36 | abrotman | theine: don't you always want to start in $HOME ? |
| 15:19.44 | backz | stew, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 ? |
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| 15:20.06 | stew | backz: if they have a 2.6.16. last i looked they only had a 2.6.15 |
| 15:20.11 | theine | abrotman: no, not on a cluster |
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| 15:20.26 | backz | stew, they have a 2.6.16 =) |
| 15:20.37 | stew | backz: and you should have a -t sarge-backports or something in there if you set up the pinning correctly, http://backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 15:20.59 | debnub | loxley_:i´m back. Can you keep helping me? you asked for the content of resolv.conf. it only mentions "nameserver 192.168.0.1" which is my router's ip. any hint? |
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| 15:21.26 | backz | stew, I put linux2.6 on /etc/apt/preferences... |
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| 15:21.55 | backz | stew, Package: linux-2.6 |
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| 15:22.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: Sorry, you don't need inotify support in ther kernel. It is just a replacement for dnotify. My mistake |
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| 15:24.23 | backz | stew, sorry but what I must to get: kernel-image-2.6-686 or linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 ? |
| 15:24.44 | abrotman | kernel-image-2.6-686 should get the linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
| 15:24.59 | backz | is it metapackage ? |
| 15:25.00 | abrotman | apt-cache depends kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:25.07 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 15:25.23 | funkmaster | does any1 uses camserv? |
| 15:25.35 | funkmaster | i have a problem it gives me "(V4L) mmap: Invalid argument" |
| 15:25.50 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 15:25.50 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 15:26.03 | funkmaster | is it possible to switch it to v4l2 somehow |
| 15:26.11 | funkmaster | i don't know anymore how to solve this |
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| 15:27.41 | funkmaster | and the doumentation is not helpfule neither to googl eit |
| 15:28.08 | funkmaster | does somebody have a sugestion? |
| 15:28.26 | pengol | hi there should ?*[A-C]* ?*[ABC]* be same bash reg expr? |
| 15:28.58 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 15:29.12 | pengol | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:31.07 | backz | installing this new kernel. is grub configured to start by default with this new image ? |
| 15:31.08 | SquareGuy | WoodyWoodpecker, np. thank goodness fam for debian has builtin dnotify support or i would have had to use inotify or imon |
| 15:31.38 | Sonderblade | from where can you checkout debian source packages if you want to make a patch against a package? |
| 15:31.41 | debnub | Have no internet although my network works fine (ping, traceroute)under a nat router. Have no access to www though(except on winxp). resolv.conf. it only mentions "nameserver 192.168.0.1" which is my router's ip.any help? |
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| 15:32.45 | abrotman | backz: should be |
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| 15:32.52 | backz | abrotman, booting |
| 15:32.53 | superlinux | hi all |
| 15:33.03 | abrotman | debnub: is it dhcp? |
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| 15:33.10 | keherman | Can someone tell me a way to output a variable block of lines, where the beginning line contains "AAA" and the final line contains "BBB" -- i want everything in between, including the first and last line |
| 15:33.25 | debnub | abrotman: no dhcp |
| 15:33.54 | azeem | keherman: looks like perl 2-liner |
| 15:33.55 | keherman | i can't just do -> grep -A 16 "AAA" myfile.txt, since the end of the block may not always be 16 lines away |
| 15:33.59 | azeem | or mabye an awk 1-liner |
| 15:34.10 | keherman | azeem, little help? |
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| 15:35.34 | superlinux | does iptables stop runing on all other rules on the 1st rule matches? |
| 15:35.35 | [gijoe] | A |
| 15:35.44 | valdyn | superlinux: yes |
| 15:35.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: np. I just didn't tell everything correct. I don't like that. Yes, Debian is best :) |
| 15:35.51 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:36.07 | valdyn | dumezil: rule1 > rule2 > policy |
| 15:36.35 | valdyn | oo, wrong target.. |
| 15:36.43 | bbrazil | keherman: sed -ne '/^AAA/,/^BBB/p' |
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| 15:38.11 | SquareGuy | WoodyWoodpecker, no doubt. i keep trying other distros from time to time, like ubuntu but i always come back to Debian. |
| 15:38.15 | uwe | im trying to install debian on HP prolinat machine with RAID HP Smart array 642, grub fails, any idea what can be done? |
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| 15:38.46 | funkmaster | "(V4L) mmap: Invalid argument" how can i fix this error? |
| 15:38.47 | valdyn | uwe: grub fails doing what? what is the error? does the kernel you used support that hardware? |
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| 15:39.43 | valdyn | uwe: maybe hp can even tell you which kernel version is required for that controller |
| 15:39.54 | hollo | hi.. anyone have setup an amd64 and xorg? |
| 15:40.06 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 15:40.06 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:40.10 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 15:40.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:40.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | SquareGuy: every distri other than Debian sucks. But this is my personal opinion |
| 15:40.40 | hollo | valdyn: im just not sure if it can work |
| 15:41.05 | valdyn | hollo: it works the same as on any other architecture supported by debian |
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| 15:41.24 | Sonderblade | is it possible to specify a deb source on the command line to apt-get? |
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| 15:41.47 | superlinux | valdyn, if rule Accept is before rule Drop what will happen ? Drop or Accept? just this qestion about iptables thanks |
| 15:41.47 | valdyn | !wayttd Sonderblade |
| 15:41.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Sonderblade? |
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| 15:41.54 | hollo | well.. i have experinted problems with my xorg, and nvidia.. i have compiled the module with module assistant.. from nvidia-kernel-source. running testing.. |
| 15:41.55 | uwe | valdyn, it claims it fails to install, alt+ctrl f3 says something about stage one, this http://cepserver.tce.edu/pipermail/tcenet/2005-December.txt says something about using the latest installer, i have no clue how to get a new installer but install sarge stable!! |
| 15:41.57 | valdyn | superlinux: accept will happen |
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| 15:42.07 | keherman | bbrazil, brilliant solution! |
| 15:42.07 | superlinux | thanks 10 times |
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| 15:42.34 | Sonderblade | valdyn: apt-getting the source of a package |
| 15:42.53 | valdyn | uwe: what's on ctrl-alt-f3? debian has just a console there with a login prompt |
| 15:43.16 | hollo | Sonderblade: you mean.. dpkg -i <deb package>? |
| 15:43.21 | valdyn | uwe: X has nothing to do with the installer either |
| 15:43.48 | Sonderblade | hollo: apt-get source somepackage not dpkg -i somepackage |
| 15:43.52 | uwe | X?! |
| 15:43.55 | hollo | Sonderblade: or will taht be apt-src install something? |
| 15:44.05 | hollo | oh.. im really lost i see =) |
| 15:44.14 | valdyn | uwe: uh sorry, wrong target =/ |
| 15:44.19 | uwe | no .. i mean while installing , there is this log of what debian is doing! |
| 15:44.30 | petemc | uwe: you can get a sarge installer with a more recent kernel |
| 15:44.34 | hollo | Sonderblade: then i dont really get the question |
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| 15:44.54 | valdyn | uwe: sarge is good, better than 'latest installer' i think, so you can use an inofficial installer for sarge |
| 15:44.58 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 15:45.00 | uwe | petemc, i dont want a more recent kernel! |
| 15:45.01 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 15:45.05 | valdyn | uwe: ^^^ |
| 15:45.17 | petemc | uwe: ah, then you dont want your device to work.. |
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| 15:45.33 | uwe | um ... |
| 15:45.35 | valdyn | uwe: if its an 'installer issue' then its most likely a kernel issue... |
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| 15:46.09 | uwe | well, the strange thing is that debian is able to see and mount the device, but just cant install grub, for some reason ... |
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| 15:46.12 | Sonderblade | hollo: like this, i'm using Ubuntu and i want to download the source for the Debian package mysql |
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| 15:46.44 | rpt | can I somehow force identd to listen on a particular network interface/ip, instead of 0.0.0.0 as it seems to now (according to netstat, if thats even relevant:)? |
| 15:46.47 | uwe | valdyn, do you suggest installing testing/sid ? |
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| 15:47.00 | valdyn | uwe: hmm, try installing grub yourself, or boot from an alternative medium till you figure out the problem |
| 15:47.04 | petemc | i dont want a newer kernel! maybe ill try debian unstable.. |
| 15:47.06 | valdyn | uwe: no i dont |
| 15:47.21 | ramiroec | q debo modificar en el archivo "interfaces" para usar dhcp |
| 15:47.22 | ramiroec | ? |
| 15:47.27 | ramiroec | sorry |
| 15:47.42 | hollo | Sonderblade: ahh.. well should that then you said it... apt-get source mysql-server ? |
| 15:47.45 | debiankid | hello , any help on this pls ?? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2479 |
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| 15:48.11 | Sonderblade | hollo: that command won't work unless i have a deb-src in my sources.list |
| 15:48.14 | valdyn | uwe: its possible that grub / the installer cant figure out where to install, that wouldnt be to hard to fix |
| 15:48.25 | ramiroec | what can i change on the "/etc/network/interfaces" to use dhcp ?, is there a easy text tool to configure my network ? |
| 15:48.30 | hollo | Sonderblade: then put it in? |
| 15:48.32 | rpt | ramiroec: man interfaces |
| 15:48.35 | uwe | ramiroec, in /etc/networking/interfaces change iface ethX blah blah static to blah blah dhcp |
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| 15:49.06 | Nikolay | ramiroec: Try to etherconf package. |
| 15:49.20 | aarkerio | somebody recall the name of the jumping cow screensaver ?? |
| 15:49.22 | Sonderblade | hollo: i dont have root privs |
| 15:49.27 | uwe | ramiroec, im not sure , but maybe baseconf (i think) may be used |
| 15:49.34 | aarkerio | I can't found it |
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| 15:49.37 | rpt | or perhaps identd cant do it, have to use xidentd? |
| 15:49.41 | ramiroec | uwe : thanks, static - dhcp |
| 15:49.41 | Oddmonger | hello |
| 15:49.47 | hollo | Sonderblade: uhmm.. then go to mysql.com and fetch the source? |
| 15:49.53 | hollo | or let me dcc you? |
| 15:49.57 | Oddmonger | i tried apt-get --purge remove exim4 |
| 15:50.02 | debiankid | ? |
| 15:50.13 | Oddmonger | but it doesnt remove exim4 |
| 15:50.31 | valdyn | Oddmonger: why the hell are you trying to purge exim4? |
| 15:50.40 | Oddmonger | i want to use postfix |
| 15:50.45 | hollo | Sonderblade: crap.. hehe.. my apt source cant find it.. let someone to dcc you? |
| 15:50.57 | valdyn | Oddmonger: so run 'apt-get install postfix' and look in awe |
| 15:50.57 | bibe | Oddmonger : you have to aptitude purge exim4-base exim4-config |
| 15:51.13 | aarkerio | apt-get --purge remove exim4* |
| 15:51.15 | bibe | Oddmonger : after installing postfix |
| 15:51.19 | sohmestra | Oddmonger: I think exim4 is a metapackage, it just has dependancies - it doesnt install anything itself |
| 15:51.20 | uwe | ok, how do i get a newer installer with a newer kernel? |
| 15:51.27 | Oddmonger | ok |
| 15:51.32 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 15:51.33 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 15:51.34 | uwe | to get around this RAID issue |
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| 15:51.36 | Oddmonger | thank you |
| 15:52.04 | valdyn | uwe: this isnt a raid issue |
| 15:52.20 | jroes | heh, anyone notice that most of the SoC06 stuff doesn't look very fun? |
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| 15:52.57 | jroes | and I don't know how they expect young students to help out with GCC, they must be accepting more grad student apps |
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| 15:53.08 | uwe | well, no driver for the raid in current kernel, no valdyn ? |
| 15:53.09 | enkrypt | I applied to SoC, for irssi, Netbsd and ubuntu |
| 15:53.36 | jair | it is interesting how can I change or navigate between the channels using bitchx |
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| 15:53.47 | jroes | enkrypt: not for debian :) |
| 15:53.57 | jair | guys it is any channel where people talk about UNIX as well like HPUX? |
| 15:54.00 | enkrypt | jroes. yeah I didn't see anything interesting on the debian page :/ |
| 15:54.01 | jroes | supposed to be a question mark in there somewhere, maybe it's an irssi bug :) |
| 15:54.20 | enkrypt | jroes. I would've preferred debian indeed, but ... oh well :) |
| 15:54.54 | jair | what is the difference between the irssi and the bitchx? |
| 15:54.55 | sohmestra | jair: /list *unix* |
| 15:55.03 | Ronin | jair: spelling |
| 15:55.03 | jair | sohmestra thank you |
| 15:55.09 | valdyn | !start an irc client war |
| 15:55.09 | dpkg | BitchX sucks |
| 15:55.14 | valdyn | there you go |
| 15:55.29 | enkrypt | epic + obv rules you all :) |
| 15:55.31 | Shadowcat | !start an fs war |
| 15:55.32 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 15:55.45 | valdyn | jair: all i know is that bitchx has silly default things ( or had ) |
| 15:55.50 | sohmestra | !start an os war |
| 15:55.50 | dpkg | HURD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
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| 15:55.57 | Oddmonger | btw, do debian need a mta for local mail ? (mails for root) |
| 15:56.05 | valdyn | Oddmonger: yes |
| 15:56.06 | enkrypt | yes 0ddmonger |
| 15:56.10 | Oddmonger | ok |
| 15:56.21 | enkrypt | no exim, no local mails :) |
| 15:56.25 | jair | valdyn but i can not understand why when I access to irc.freenode.net and also authenticate using the /nickserv identify <passwd> I keep getting a message that say "can't send message to debian" |
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| 15:56.58 | bibe | jair : I use /msg nickserv identify <passwd> |
| 15:57.11 | sohmestra | jair: what exactly are you typing? |
| 15:57.15 | jair | bibe are you a irssi user? |
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| 15:57.21 | bibe | jair : BitchX |
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| 15:57.35 | enkrypt | jair. BitchX, irssi and the other commandline clients are quite similar in use |
| 15:57.55 | petemc | some being better than others.. |
| 15:58.03 | jair | sohmestra 1- I type irssi as the user log into the debian server "steve" but the nick I have registered is "jair" |
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| 15:58.16 | enkrypt | jair. irssi is a bit more noob friendly. BitchX or epic require a bit more scripting and configuring to be fully useable ;) |
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| 15:59.01 | jair | bibe so how can i make the directed messages to my nick get highlited? |
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| 15:59.29 | enkrypt | jair: go read irssi.org |
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| 15:59.40 | jair | bibe and also it is a way I can separate the screens or the channels, so I do not receive everything in the same channel? |
| 16:00.05 | enkrypt | jair : go read www.irssi.org, the faq section |
| 16:00.17 | jair | enkrypt ok I copied thanks |
| 16:00.24 | enkrypt | good luck |
| 16:00.32 | enkrypt | most common questions are explained on that website |
| 16:00.52 | obscurite | i've got an adaptec raid array set up, and aacraid is loaded. what utils can i use to actually check the status of the array, etc? |
| 16:00.55 | enkrypt | :) |
| 16:01.02 | obscurite | couldn't find much on the interwebs on aacraid |
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| 16:01.14 | backz | how I see what's the default grub option selected ? |
| 16:01.19 | backz | and how I change it ? |
| 16:02.32 | valdyn | backz: look at 'default' in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:03.08 | obscurite | the actual adaptec tools don't support debian or debian based installations, so i'd rather not attempt that |
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| 16:03.43 | enkrypt | hmmm |
| 16:04.05 | backz | valdyn, default 0, but, each option cames with 'savedefault'. |
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| 16:04.33 | backz | need I to run any command before edit menu.lst of grub (like lilo) ? |
| 16:05.00 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 16:05.07 | Shadowcat | backz: please read info grub |
| 16:05.21 | valdyn | backz: no |
| 16:05.27 | backz | okay |
| 16:05.29 | valdyn | backz: why dont you read the entire text there? |
| 16:05.51 | Shadowcat | valdyn: that requires reading |
| 16:05.51 | backz | valdyn, what text ? |
| 16:06.04 | valdyn | backz: concerning the 'default' setting in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:06.18 | Shadowcat | that file is heavily commented |
| 16:06.20 | Shadowcat | read the comments |
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| 16:08.24 | LandWolf | ciao a tutti |
| 16:08.45 | stew | !it |
| 16:08.45 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:08.58 | LandWolf | ragazzi mi accingo a ricompilare e avrei un dubbio. C'è nessuno che vuole sentirmi? |
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| 16:09.12 | stew | LandWolf: /j #debian-it |
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| 16:09.50 | LandWolf | ok thnnks |
| 16:09.53 | stew | LandWolf: prego |
| 16:09.56 | areyes | how to attach a file using mail |
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| 16:10.27 | bibe | areyes : consider using mutt -a file1 -a file2 ... |
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| 16:11.21 | stew | areyes: you would have to do all of the mime-encoding elsewhere and hand the mail command the already prepared email body with the attachments already encoded and in place |
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| 16:13.47 | areyes | bibe, thanks, I finally used stdin |
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| 16:15.18 | backz | stew: the kernel works!! thank you! |
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| 16:17.01 | jair | do you know guys if debian will run in the itanium and blade servers? |
| 16:17.11 | jair | I am sure it will |
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| 16:17.25 | bbrazil | jair: there's an IA64 port anyway |
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| 16:17.57 | jair | bbrazil what do you mean about port? |
| 16:18.24 | Q-FUNK | could anyone help me perform an install from a compact flash ide? I'm using the hd-media from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and the usb stick receipe from http://www.debian.org/releases/3.1/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 16:18.29 | bbrazil | jair: as in most of the packages etc. are complied for it, and there's an official installer and such |
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| 16:18.35 | eXiSt | hi |
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| 16:19.43 | quittt | WHY THE FUCK XMMS is crashing all the time? |
| 16:19.50 | helix | people still use xmms? |
| 16:19.50 | nite613 | jair: "port" means reworking code so that it works on a new platform |
| 16:20.12 | jair | nite613 nice thanks |
| 16:20.13 | dorao_ | helix what is better? |
| 16:20.23 | quittt | there isnt a better mp3 player |
| 16:20.36 | dorao_ | I'm having issues with it displaying japanese... |
| 16:20.52 | stew | quittt: you have an mp3 player that is crashing all the time, and you think that none is better? |
| 16:21.02 | ft | quittt: that highly depends on what you consider "better" |
| 16:21.09 | helix | dorao_: beep-media-player seems more current? there's also quodlibet, amarok, cplay, and about a million others... |
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| 16:21.21 | thomasb | Anyone installed sarge on Dell Inspiron 9400 ? |
| 16:21.26 | quittt | ft, a light player with all functions that XMMS has |
| 16:21.30 | stew | thomasb: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 16:21.38 | dorao_ | helix which do you consider the best? |
| 16:21.39 | quittt | maybe Media Library that is in Winamp would be great |
| 16:21.41 | nix | last time i checked, beep had its drawbacks if playing from urls |
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| 16:21.45 | stew | cplay is missing the blur scope functionality i guess |
| 16:22.01 | helix | heh |
| 16:22.32 | stew | quittt: have you checked the bts for xmms and its assiciated plugins? |
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| 16:22.43 | quittt | bts? |
| 16:22.48 | ft | quittt: see, I don't care about xmms' features; I use cmus and i'm more than happy. |
| 16:22.49 | stew | quittt: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 16:23.20 | quittt | cmus... how is that player? |
| 16:23.25 | Q-FUNK | helix: are you down at debconf? |
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| 16:24.08 | helix | no, I don't leave until the 13th |
| 16:24.11 | ft | quittt: http://http://onion.dynserv.net/~timo/cmus.html |
| 16:24.35 | ft | quittt: it's console only |
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| 16:24.49 | quittt | oh |
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| 16:25.13 | quittt | I like Media Library in Winamp because I have lots of album here |
| 16:25.37 | Xteven | hello, is there a tool that can launch a program and then kill it after X seconds ? |
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| 16:26.19 | Eulex | Xteven, bash |
| 16:26.28 | nix | Xteven: ./program; sleep 30s; kill `pidof program` |
| 16:26.38 | nix | actually |
| 16:26.47 | nix | Xteven: ./program &; (sleep 30s; kill `pidof program`) |
| 16:27.02 | Xteven | hmm |
| 16:27.33 | Xteven | I could try something similar |
| 16:27.42 | stew | nix: you should use the $! variable instead of pidof, pidof will kill every version, not just the one you just started |
| 16:27.59 | Xteven | indeed thx stew :) |
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| 16:28.06 | stew | Xteven: program & ; PID=$! ; sleep 30 ; kill $PID |
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| 16:30.51 | netfrog | if it does not daemonize i guess ... |
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| 16:33.39 | Wen | eny one that know why i can't make an "nslookup" from my DNS-server, to a domain on my DNS-server??? |
| 16:33.39 | jethro | ????? |
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| 16:34.15 | dbi | wen: firewall? is your local DNS running and listening on the proper interface? |
| 16:34.21 | stew | Wen: how exactly are you caling nslookup? have you checked /var/log/daemon.log on the server for errors? |
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| 16:36.53 | lunaphyte_ | is there any sort of relationship between apic and acpi? |
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| 16:37.09 | SerajewelKS | how would i add unstable to my sources list, but pin updates to testing, so i can pull down unstable packages as i require them? |
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| 16:37.24 | scarface | how can I automatically load a module that is located in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 16:37.37 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: what if packages pull other packages from sid (because they need them)? |
| 16:37.39 | stew | SerajewelKS: man apt_preferences |
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| 16:37.56 | stew | scarface: enable it with update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 16:38.00 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: and some other software don't work with that newer pulled thing? |
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| 16:38.10 | tarzeau | lunaphyte_: no |
| 16:38.21 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: that's why i want to do it this way rather than download them one-by-one from p.d.o |
| 16:38.25 | tarzeau | !acpi |
| 16:38.26 | dpkg | [acpi] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 16:38.31 | tarzeau | !apic |
| 16:38.31 | dpkg | somebody said apic was an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
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| 16:38.39 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: it's monodevelop, i doubt that it's going to pull in anything that will break anything but CLR apps anyway |
| 16:38.58 | stew | !debwiki SerajewelKS AptPinning |
| 16:38.58 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 16:39.12 | lunaphyte_ | tarzeau: thanks |
| 16:39.15 | Eulex | stew, there's an easier way than apt-pinning |
| 16:39.26 | scarface | stew, is it update-rc.d modulename start |
| 16:39.41 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, put APT::Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 16:40.31 | SerajewelKS | stew: yeah that's it, been a while thanks |
| 16:41.14 | PenguinL0v3r | hello |
| 16:41.40 | PenguinL0v3r | Can I post a question here? |
| 16:41.57 | Eulex | of course |
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| 16:42.45 | SerajewelKS | PenguinL0v3r: you just did |
| 16:42.53 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks |
| 16:42.54 | stew | !sicco |
| 16:42.54 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 16:43.16 | SerajewelKS | !beer stew |
| 16:43.19 | SquareGuy | Has anyone here run linux on their Xbox? Currently I use XBMC on mine but was wondering if anyone used Linux for Multimedia playback on theirs. |
| 16:43.29 | PenguinL0v3r | Is there any program in Linux like HyperTerminal in Windows? |
| 16:43.36 | stew | PenguinL0v3r: minicom |
| 16:43.42 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks |
| 16:43.48 | PenguinL0v3r | is it GUI or command line? |
| 16:43.53 | SerajewelKS | SquareGuy: i hope you mean debian linux... this is not an xboxlinux support channel |
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| 16:44.08 | PenguinL0v3r | yes I am running Etch |
| 16:44.10 | stew | PenguinL0v3r: ncurses. it doesn't do saved sessions like hyperterminal however |
| 16:44.14 | valdyn | PenguinL0v3r: its keyboard controlled |
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| 16:44.25 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 16:44.26 | ryan` | minicom blows :'( |
| 16:44.27 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks guy |
| 16:44.34 | Wen | stew: i can't see eny erros in the log file |
| 16:44.34 | PenguinL0v3r | I will look into it |
| 16:44.37 | epictetus | hyperterm blows |
| 16:44.42 | epictetus | minicom is way better than hyperterm |
| 16:44.43 | stew | ryan`: if you have an alternative, please suggest it to PenguinL0v3r |
| 16:44.44 | PenguinL0v3r | bye |
| 16:44.48 | PenguinL0v3r | have a nice day, all |
| 16:44.53 | SquareGuy | SerajewelKS, yes i mean running debian |
| 16:44.59 | ryan` | PenguinL0v3r, what are you talking to via serial? |
| 16:45.06 | PenguinL0v3r | oh |
| 16:45.07 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 16:45.26 | PenguinL0v3r | I am trying to talk to Atmel AVR STK500 board. |
| 16:45.39 | PenguinL0v3r | I used to work under Windows |
| 16:45.42 | stew | Wen: how are you running nslookup and what exact error do you get? are you using bind? try restarting it and watching daemon.log and see if there are any errors loading the zone |
| 16:45.54 | ryan` | PenguinL0v3r, to manage booting and such? |
| 16:45.56 | Wen | stew: do i have to make my dns use it self as dns-server |
| 16:46.03 | stew | Wen: no |
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| 16:46.29 | PenguinL0v3r | ryan`, not really, for firmware development |
| 16:46.33 | scarface | stew, when update-rc.d modulename start it doesnt work. am I missing something? |
| 16:46.36 | ryan` | PenguinL0v3r, Minicom may work fine for you, but give screen a try if you have problems with minicom. |
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| 16:47.00 | adii | hello |
| 16:47.02 | ryan` | PenguinL0v3r, I do embeded stuff as well, mostly embedded linux on soekris hardware. |
| 16:47.07 | ryan` | wireless stuff |
| 16:47.17 | PenguinL0v3r | ryan`, ok.. you are cool |
| 16:47.37 | stew | scarface: you probably just want defaults. use start when you want to edit different runlevels individually or start it at a specific point in the sequence |
| 16:47.41 | SerajewelKS | stew: even after pinning to testing, dist-upgrade wants to upgrade a lot of things, not the least of which is nvidia-kernel-source. this isn't quite what i expected -- shouldn't dist-upgrade do nothing at all? |
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| 16:48.19 | stew | SerajewelKS: put the output of "apt-cache policy nvidia-kenrel-source" into a pastebin |
| 16:48.21 | ryan` | main problem with minicom is that it's termnial emulation is lousy. |
| 16:48.23 | adii | i've downloaded debian official testing cd1, installed it, and it appeared that gnome wasn't installed. i did apt-get install gdm gnome kde xserver-xorg, put driver 'vesa' on xorg.conf and still graphical environement crashes (log says prob of fonts) what package do i miss ? |
| 16:48.29 | PenguinL0v3r | ryan`, ok |
| 16:48.47 | valdyn | adii: apt-get install xorg |
| 16:48.51 | stew | adii: install x-window-system-core |
| 16:49.00 | adii | err both of them ? |
| 16:49.07 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks for your info, guys .. bye |
| 16:49.09 | stew | valdyn: i thought xorg was new in R7? |
| 16:49.13 | valdyn | adii: the 2nd, i was at sid |
| 16:49.24 | valdyn | stew: yea it is |
| 16:49.24 | adii | okay, thanks |
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| 16:49.40 | adii | bbl if it doesn't work, else thanks :) |
| 16:50.06 | ryan` | not that anyone asked, but on windows, teratem is a great serial console prog. |
| 16:50.11 | SerajewelKS | stew: nevermind, nvidia-kernel-source got removed from testing apparently |
| 16:50.27 | SerajewelKS | stew: it was there a week ago, so meh... |
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| 16:50.33 | Wen | stew: yes i use bind (bind9). ther is no err in the log.. |
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| 16:50.57 | scarface | fn'stew but when I just do update-rc.d modulename it doesn't work, too |
| 16:51.14 | stew | scarface: man update-rc.d look at defaults |
| 16:51.15 | SerajewelKS | stew: after a quick check it seems all the packages it wants to update are no longer available in testing |
| 16:51.21 | thomasb | whew! managed to install base sys of sarge on Inspiron 9400. Configuring apt now. But sata cd/dvd drive is not being detected. I have libata ata_piix and ide_generic modules loaded. Sata hard drive is detected and I booted into my system from the hardrive . Suggestions ? |
| 16:51.38 | stew | SerajewelKS: you can let them upgrade or put them on hold |
| 16:51.39 | Wen | stew: When i type nslookup test.adress i get the anser that the dns dont know that domain |
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| 16:52.15 | Wen | stew: its the root dns that sends that answer |
| 16:52.22 | SerajewelKS | stew: yeah i'm probably going to hold all of the nvidia packages, because they seem to be pulling in other binary kernel modules for another kernel series O_o |
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| 16:52.41 | stew | Wen: you want "nslookup test.address ip.of.your.dnsserver" |
| 16:52.47 | SerajewelKS | stew: is there any way after doing a dist-upgrade to see *why* apt decided that a certain package needed to be installed? |
| 16:52.57 | octan | hello all.. i need some help please.. whats the name of the X pack? |
| 16:53.08 | stew | SerajewelKS: i don't know of one |
| 16:53.17 | stew | octan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:53.21 | octan | sarge |
| 16:53.31 | stew | octan: x-window-system-core |
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| 16:53.40 | octan | stew: thank you :D |
| 16:53.46 | Wen | stew: yes I try to get my own ip |
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| 16:54.11 | Wen | if i try for my client computer it works fine |
| 16:54.18 | Wen | stew: if i try for my client computer it works fine |
| 16:54.57 | SerajewelKS | stew: i cannot reconcile this. dist-upgrade wants to install nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-1-486, but if i do 'apt-get --dry-run install' on all of the packages that dist-upgrade wants to 'upgrade', nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-1-486 does not get listed. |
| 16:55.31 | octan | stew: how do i get it to install all the dependians automaticly? it need so many of em.. |
| 16:56.05 | octan | stew: first it says,, i need xbase clents.. then i tryed it,, then it says something about libxft2 |
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| 16:56.20 | SerajewelKS | stew: bleh, nevermind, i'm going to install monodevelop and comment out the unstable line... it's going to be too much hassle to keep it in there except when i want something specific from unstable. |
| 16:56.23 | stew | octan: "apt-get install x-window-system-core" |
| 16:56.31 | octan | stew: i did that |
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| 16:56.45 | octan | it says it needs deps.. |
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| 16:57.04 | stew | octan: paste your sources.list to a pastebin: /msg dpkg paster |
| 16:57.19 | octan | ouch,, how? im in irssi now? |
| 16:57.47 | octan | i just installed the base system for sarge.. |
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| 16:57.59 | stew | octan: go to http://channels.debian.net/paste in your web browser |
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| 16:58.22 | octan | stew: i downloaded a net install cd ans installed it |
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| 16:58.36 | octan | stew: i dont got a web browser yet |
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| 16:58.45 | stew | octan: isntall one |
| 16:58.53 | xomhau | anyone , how to install openoffice ? |
| 16:58.57 | stew | octan: i suggest using w3m |
| 16:59.00 | Tellmarch | apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 16:59.14 | octan | k |
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| 16:59.30 | ramiroec | and how about Openffice.org 2 ? |
| 16:59.32 | stew | octan: or paste the lines into #flood if you prefer |
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| 16:59.52 | stew | ramiroec: you need to ask a more specific question than that |
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| 16:59.58 | blakkino | does somebody know a decent chan to speak about unix-like programming? |
| 17:00.01 | blakkino | :) |
| 17:00.09 | stew | blakkino: in which language? |
| 17:00.15 | octan | stew: can i do /exec -o cat blah in irssi? like i can in xchat? |
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| 17:00.30 | ramiroec | stew : apt-get install openoffice.org is for the 1.3.xxx version, i think so |
| 17:00.35 | bhundven | c, asm, c++, java, ada, etc... |
| 17:00.39 | rollergrrl | Can someone recommend a good way to send emails with attachment with a bash script? |
| 17:00.42 | blakkino | stew, c |
| 17:00.45 | bhundven | shell? |
| 17:00.57 | stew | octan: yes |
| 17:01.01 | octan | stew: i did it now |
| 17:01.02 | stew | ramiroec: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:01.06 | stew | blakkino: #c |
| 17:01.06 | octan | go look |
| 17:01.08 | scarface | stew, he said that system startup links already exist. everytime I want to use the vpn connection, I need to do /etc/init.d/vpnclient_init start (and this is exactly what I want the system to do automatically at startup) |
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| 17:01.33 | stew | octan: you should not mix unstable packages onto your stable system |
| 17:01.43 | stew | octan: you should get rid of the unstable line, run apt-get update and try again |
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| 17:01.55 | octan | ok..i'll try again |
| 17:01.57 | stew | octan: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" report for Installed: ? |
| 17:02.07 | octan | hold on |
| 17:02.37 | octan | 2.3.2 |
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| 17:02.53 | xomhau | what mirror for install openoffice? |
| 17:03.08 | streuner | official |
| 17:03.20 | stew | xomhau: any debian x86 mirror would have itb |
| 17:03.37 | octan | stew: 2.3.2-ds1-22sarge3 0 is what it says |
| 17:03.52 | stew | octan: that's good. that means you didnt' completely screw up your stable install with that unstable line |
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| 17:04.00 | octan | stew: lol |
| 17:04.09 | xomhau | stew: i need mirror for amd64 :( |
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| 17:04.23 | Laidback_01 | hey, I'm doing something wrong here. I put in 3 name server - one of them is a djbdns cache on 127.0.0.1 and the other 2 are my ISP's name servers. Whenever I run a "dig @127.0.0.1 domainname.com" it comes back with the ip really quick. Same goes for the ISPs name servers. However, if I'm trying to use lynx or the email system does a lookup, it can take 3-5 mins to resolve a name to an ip. Anyone know what I'm missing? |
| 17:04.23 | stew | !openoffice amd64 |
| 17:04.24 | dpkg | i heard openoffice.org amd64 is porting openoffice.org to amd64 is not trivial, and is expected to take a while. In the meantime can run the i386 version of openoffice.org in a chroot: ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 17:04.27 | stew | xomhau: ^^^ |
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| 17:04.39 | octan | stew: i added that source list after i instelled the base system |
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| 17:04.54 | stew | octan: whomever told you that was a decent idea has no idea what they are talking about |
| 17:05.00 | stew | ^whom^who |
| 17:05.08 | dfinn | I'm getting a bunch of perl errors whenever anything with perl is done. it appears perl is unable to set it's locale. like so: |
| 17:05.11 | dfinn | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 17:05.14 | octan | ok... i'll get rid of em then |
| 17:05.20 | dfinn | this is a new sarge install, did something go wrong? |
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| 17:05.33 | stew | dfinn: apt-get install locales |
| 17:06.25 | dfinn | stew: already installed and latest version |
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| 17:06.34 | stew | dfinn: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:06.34 | octan | stew: thxz.. now its downloading :d |
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| 17:06.42 | StereoSkit | dudes i installed k3b to burn a dvd and dvd+rw-tools and k3b is still reporting that dvd+rw-tools is not installed, how can i correct this? |
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| 17:07.04 | Phlexonance | has anyone experience with linux-ntfs ? |
| 17:07.47 | wireddd | Phlexonance, let me guess, you want to write data to an ntfs partition |
| 17:07.56 | Phlexonance | wireddd, exactly |
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| 17:08.24 | stew | !ntfsrw |
| 17:08.24 | Althaser | where can I set the system clock ? please |
| 17:08.24 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs> |
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| 17:08.43 | octan | stew: next Q.. is.. what is the nvidia driver called form the repos? im running k.2.6.8-386 |
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| 17:09.21 | stew | octan: in the x configuration its called nv |
| 17:09.28 | Phlexonance | stew, do you have direct experience with linux-ntfs? |
| 17:09.35 | stew | Phlexonance: no |
| 17:10.15 | wireddd | Phlexonance, basically writing to an ntfs partition will corrupt that partition |
| 17:10.25 | octan | stew: i need the nvidia's drivers.. not that one.. the one where i edit the file and put nvidia instead of nv |
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| 17:10.40 | stew | octan: i can't help you with that |
| 17:10.56 | Phlexonance | wireddd, sure? www.linux-ntfs.org sounds promising |
| 17:10.59 | octan | ok thxz anyway |
| 17:11.39 | Phated | octan: Install module-assistant, run m-a a-i nvidia - you will need contrib and non-free sources. |
| 17:11.57 | dfinn | stew: that didn't fix it. any other ideas |
| 17:12.18 | octan | Phated: ok.. thxz |
| 17:12.29 | wireddd | Phlexonance, it supports: Reading and writing without changes to the file size. |
| 17:12.33 | dfinn | "/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" |
| 17:12.43 | dfinn | and a bunch of other ones that looks similar to that |
| 17:12.57 | stew | dfinn: you need to set the LANG variable. the locales package usually does this for you in /etc/environment ; you might need to log out and back in before this takes effect |
| 17:13.20 | Phated | octan: afterwards, modprobe nvidia and add nvidia to the end of /etc/modules |
| 17:13.22 | Phlexonance | wireddd, what ^^ where did they hid that on the website |
| 17:13.33 | wireddd | its on the wiki |
| 17:13.35 | stew | dfinn: try this: ". /etc/environment ; export LANG : and do whatever you were doing before and sse if it is fixed |
| 17:14.06 | Phlexonance | ok, thanks |
| 17:14.43 | stew | Phlexonance: if you need to share data between windows and linux the recommended way is to have a small vfat partition just for this |
| 17:14.47 | wireddd | Phlexonance, basically if you want to share a partition between win and debian your best bet is probably fat32 |
| 17:15.08 | dfinn | stew: that doesn't fix it |
| 17:15.41 | Phlexonance | stew, wireddd, yes I have already a fat partition, but the problem is big files like dvd images |
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| 17:16.55 | wireddd | Phlexonance, what about useing ext2/3 and installing the driver for it under windows? |
| 17:17.26 | stew | wireddd: that can be just as problematic. i had a friend destroy all of his digital photos that way |
| 17:17.41 | Phlexonance | wireddd, I thought of that, do you know of a ext3 driver for windows? I found the one for ext2 but then I'll have to repartition |
| 17:17.43 | stew | dfinn: have you logged out and back in since installing/reconfiguring locales? |
| 17:17.51 | stew | dfinn: what shell do you use? |
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| 17:19.07 | dfinn | stew: bash. have not logged out, trying that now |
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| 17:19.09 | wireddd | Phlexonance, I never tried using an ext2/3 driver for windows so I don't know how well they work, but stew doesn't seem to think that it is a good idea |
| 17:19.09 | Althaser | where can I configure my date ? please |
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| 17:19.30 | dfinn | stew: same error after logging out and back in |
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| 17:19.56 | Telelanas | What can I install to old nootebook? |
| 17:19.57 | Telelanas | pentium 133mmx with 16ram and 1gb hdd |
| 17:20.43 | stew | dfinn: after logging out and back in, does "echo $LANG" seem to agree with the values set in /etc/environment? |
| 17:20.51 | stew | Telelanas: is it already running linux? |
| 17:21.08 | Telelanas | no |
| 17:21.09 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there a recommended filesystem for an dedicated svn server? Its mostly small files ( web site ) just wondering what i should use to maximize performance and minimize disk trashing? |
| 17:21.17 | Telelanas | I want to install distribution |
| 17:21.26 | dfinn | stew: got it, there was a selection that needed to be checked when reconfiguring locales |
| 17:21.40 | Phlexonance | wiredd, gnaa, stupid fat with its low filesize limit |
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| 17:22.02 | wireddd | yeah it sucks |
| 17:22.39 | stew | evilbulgarian: when in doubt use ext3. svn doesn't store the files individually so you won't end up with lots of small files even if you are checking lots of small files into svn |
| 17:22.45 | Phlexonance | wireddd, which linux tool is capable of splitting a file into multiple rars? |
| 17:23.19 | evilbulgarian | stew: i see thanks for the recommendation |
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| 17:23.42 | cureless | Phlexonance: doesn't rar do that? |
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| 17:24.10 | Phlexonance | cureless, thats just....too simple^^ thanks |
| 17:24.36 | cureless | Phlexonance: otherwise the real "simple" way is to use the command split |
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| 17:24.52 | cureless | Phlexonance: that just splits the file, doesn't really rar anything. |
| 17:25.20 | stew | does windows have a builtin cat? |
| 17:25.27 | deconvolution | hello, which new xlibs package contains X11/auth.h header file? |
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| 17:25.51 | valdyn | !tell deconvolution -about search |
| 17:25.56 | cureless | stew: not really, unless you count the more command. Or did the command "type" do that? |
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| 17:26.21 | cureless | stew: but if what you want is to join the files you can do a copy command. |
| 17:27.05 | deconvolution | valdyn: dpkg: *X11/Xauth.h* not found. |
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| 17:27.35 | stew | deconvolution: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 17:28.06 | valdyn | deconvolution: read again what dpkg does |
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| 17:29.27 | Phlexonance | cureless, yes but I doubt windows can merge a 'split'ted file |
| 17:29.34 | tarzeau | it can |
| 17:29.44 | tarzeau | using type /b a + b + c d or soe |
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| 17:29.54 | valdyn | Phlexonance: sure it can |
| 17:30.00 | tarzeau | of course it can |
| 17:30.20 | LoRez | copy /b |
| 17:30.29 | tarzeau | haven't used it for years |
| 17:30.36 | LoRez | me either |
| 17:30.53 | deconvolution | valdyn, stew: thanks |
| 17:31.06 | meny | hi everyone ive just upgrade to testing from stable and my wireless doesnt work |
| 17:31.16 | Phlexonance | hm, if you merge a 'split'ted file, do you need the extra space like you do while unraring? |
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| 17:31.49 | LoRez | yes |
| 17:31.51 | bgj | Is it possible to do an install by putting the minimal CD onto a hard-drive and booting from that? |
| 17:32.13 | meny | can anyone help me please? |
| 17:32.30 | abrotman | what kind of chipset? |
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| 17:35.37 | MoDaX | is it possible to configure libc dns resolver, that it would the nameserver in the /etc/resolv.conf if requested DNS address was not found in the prior one. |
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| 17:35.59 | Phlexonance | LoRez, was that "yes" for my question? |
| 17:36.00 | MoDaX | it would query the next nameserver* |
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| 17:36.15 | spudse | Hello |
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| 17:36.47 | meny22 | can someone help me? |
| 17:36.55 | spudse | I want to use aspell in php. I installed php with apt-get, how do I install aspell suppor now ? |
| 17:37.01 | spudse | *support |
| 17:37.21 | abrotman | !ask |
| 17:37.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:37.38 | Ronin | meny22: best just to tell us the problem |
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| 17:38.09 | dotCOMmie | spudse: I dont think there is a packaged aspell php module |
| 17:38.10 | Phlexonance | whats actually the maximum filesize for fat32 |
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| 17:39.28 | abrotman | Phlexonance: ask google |
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| 17:40.14 | dotCOMmie | spudse: you can either compile php yourself or use aspell through popen |
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| 17:41.59 | jetscreamer | omg it's my cat online! |
| 17:42.02 | agentbob | having a problem with screen... backspace is working but meta-backspace just outputs [3~ ... anyone have this problem before/know how to fix it? |
| 17:42.14 | jetscreamer | dotcommie i didn't know you could type |
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| 17:43.44 | dotCOMmie | jetscreamer: pardon? |
| 17:44.36 | zinx | agentbob: wrong TERM? |
| 17:44.48 | jetscreamer | aka why did you name yourself after my cat |
| 17:45.15 | dotCOMmie | d: |
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| 17:46.03 | dotCOMmie | how old is um well your cat? |
| 17:46.06 | agentbob | zinx: not that i know of... TERM="xterm-color" works without screen... TERM="xterm-color" or TERM="screen" both cause [3~ while inside screen |
| 17:46.30 | jetscreamer | 7 maybe... dotcommie is a nickname, her name is dotcom |
| 17:46.32 | zinx | agentbob: are you actually using xterm? |
| 17:46.40 | uwe | vulture, stupdeitly enough, the 2.4 kernel shipped with Debian Sarge worked just fine!! |
| 17:47.09 | uwe | err, that was for valdyn |
| 17:47.15 | dotCOMmie | jetscreamer: in that case she took after me d: |
| 17:47.23 | zinx | agentbob: it may be that the screen terminfo isn't right :/ |
| 17:47.25 | agentbob | zinx: using os x terminal. works fine on other severs |
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| 17:47.47 | zinx | alt-backspace is seen as backspace here |
| 17:48.04 | zinx | inside screen in my own terminal emulator, and outside screen in aterm |
| 17:48.12 | agentbob | never really understood these whole termcap/terminfo shenanigans.... was always jsut as soon as it's working ignore it :| |
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| 17:48.31 | agentbob | meta-backspace should erase whole word if using emacs bindings |
| 17:48.34 | agentbob | (default usually) |
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| 17:48.59 | zinx | agentbob: maybe emacs is broke :D |
| 17:49.00 | agentbob | meta-b goes back word by word.. so meta is working.. just meta-backspace messes up for some reason |
| 17:49.06 | stew | meta-backspace should appear as "esc backspace" |
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| 17:49.25 | zinx | stew: naw, it's a special character |
| 17:49.33 | bunk | hi, I have a licence question: |
| 17:50.00 | bunk | what is the current opinion on DFSG <-> advertising clauses |
| 17:50.06 | stew | zinx: when i use the same term as him and run screen and emacs, my meta-backspace comes across as esc backspace (and mine is working) |
| 17:50.11 | bunk | (like the 4 clause BSD licence)? |
| 17:50.36 | stew | !dfsg faq |
| 17:50.36 | dpkg | [dfsg faq] at http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html |
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| 17:50.42 | stew | bunk: see if it's covered there ^^ |
| 17:50.44 | agentbob | stew: apparently not :P |
| 17:50.50 | zinx | bunk: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 17:51.09 | agentbob | it's working on brand new installs of machines, and *used* to work on this machine, don't know what changed |
| 17:51.28 | Dwonis | bunk: Whether or not they're considered acceptable, they're frowned upon. |
| 17:51.29 | agentbob | rather brand new clunky rhel3 installs |
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| 17:51.56 | mrgrimm | hey |
| 17:52.07 | mrgrimm | sup every one |
| 17:52.25 | mrgrimm | im new to linux |
| 17:52.41 | mrgrimm | after decideding that window its complete crap |
| 17:52.45 | mrgrimm | windows |
| 17:52.51 | abrotman | !enter |
| 17:52.51 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 17:52.57 | mrgrimm | i cut windows cold turkey |
| 17:53.08 | rpt | hum, when i make an initrd kernel, how do I include an extra driver in it, like ulsata2? :x |
| 17:53.10 | agentbob | no idea where to even start trouble-shooting... is it a screen problem.. bash problem... env problem... ?? |
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| 17:53.39 | Chris55 | I enabled mod_security and ever since I get this error on some of my pages:: The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there was an error in a CGI script. |
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| 17:53.59 | Dwonis | !tell rpt about sata |
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| 17:54.23 | bunk | Dwonis: I'm currently wondering why libjpeg6b is in main |
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| 17:54.43 | abrotman | bunk: why not? |
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| 17:55.13 | bunk | (2) If only executable code is distributed, then the accompanying |
| 17:55.13 | bunk | documentation must state that "this software is based in part on the work of |
| 17:55.13 | bunk | the Independent JPEG Group". |
| 17:55.26 | abrotman | but the source is distributed |
| 17:55.49 | Dwonis | bunk: That's not an "advertising clause" |
| 17:55.54 | mrgrimm | hi im new to programing and would like to start asap. any books i can read i undersatand how its done.i just want to know whats the simplist editor so i dont have to memorize code. |
| 17:56.08 | mrgrimm | that i can use |
| 17:56.19 | abrotman | mrgrimm: that depends on what language you want to use .. are you even using Debian .. or is it something else? |
| 17:56.22 | enkrypt | mrgrimm is gonna have a hard time :p |
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| 17:56.45 | Dwonis | bunk: That's just a clause that requires credit be given *in the documentation*. You could put it along with other copyright notices, for all they care. |
| 17:56.45 | mrgrimm | i dont mind memorizing code |
| 17:56.51 | mrgrimm | i want life to be easy |
| 17:56.59 | abrotman | mrgrimm: which distribution are you using? |
| 17:57.00 | mrgrimm | and im using debian |
| 17:57.03 | enkrypt | mrgrimm: choose a language, choose a book, and start learning |
| 17:57.08 | abrotman | mrgrimm: now .. what language? |
| 17:57.11 | jetscreamer | c |
| 17:57.17 | abrotman | whitespace? :) |
| 17:57.43 | mrgrimm | i think c++,java,python,along thouse line and some web programming languages |
| 17:57.50 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 17:57.52 | Dwonis | bunk: the infamous BSD advertising clause required that all _advertising_ had to say certain things, which is impractical when you have lots of different contributors all asking for the same sort of thing |
| 17:57.58 | mrgrimm | i have dreamweaver as an editior for web |
| 17:58.05 | abrotman | mrgrimm: then you would probably want to ask #c++ or #java or #python or #web |
| 17:58.17 | enkrypt | mrgrimm: indeed this question has nothing to do with debian |
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| 17:59.05 | linnuxxy | please help, the kdevelop is crash when i start it, the trace is here http://rafb.net/paste/results/C4uUaY40.html |
| 17:59.16 | mrgrimm | hey of corce you have more knowlege than me and im just asking a question.. |
| 17:59.26 | rpt | Dwonis: this is sata2 controller card, which needs an extra driver i think :) |
| 17:59.36 | enkrypt | mrgrimm: undoubtly, but you're asking it in the wrong irc channel |
| 17:59.44 | petemc | mrgrimm: it would do no hard to learn either vim or emacs |
| 17:59.49 | SquareGuy | mrgrimm, do you have usenet access? there are lots of programming books on alt.binaries.e-book.technical |
| 17:59.50 | abrotman | harm ? |
| 17:59.53 | petemc | s/hard/harm/ |
| 17:59.57 | petemc | yz |
| 18:00.02 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 18:00.08 | petemc | :) |
| 18:00.10 | mrgrimm | i have overnet access |
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| 18:00.18 | mrgrimm | edonky |
| 18:00.26 | mrgrimm | and bittorent |
| 18:00.34 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 18:00.59 | mrgrimm | explain usenet? |
| 18:01.39 | SquareGuy | mrgrimm, usenet==newsgroups. do a google search.\ |
| 18:02.03 | Dwonis | rpt: ah. Well, once the modules are installed, you can edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules (and then run "update-initramfs -u" I think) to ensure that the modules end up in your initrd |
| 18:02.21 | abrotman | or use news.google.com ? |
| 18:02.40 | Dwonis | rpt: as for what modules to use, I'd search Google |
| 18:02.40 | dorao_ | mrgrimm I like ruby. http://phrogz.net/ProgrammingRuby/ <- online book there, |
| 18:02.53 | SquareGuy | abrotman, i dont think that handles binaries??? |
| 18:03.10 | petemc | it surely doesnt |
| 18:03.10 | linnuxxy | i have a problem with kdevelop, it is crash when i start it, the trace is here http://rafb.net/paste/results/C4uUaY40.html |
| 18:03.11 | abrotman | SquareGuy: who needs binaries? .. don't these books come in text format? |
| 18:03.15 | Ronin | goodle? no they pull then fortinuatly |
| 18:03.18 | Ronin | google even |
| 18:03.21 | rpt | Dwonis: hm okey, im a bit new at this, but if I do make-kpkg with --initrd, I dont need to do modules_install anymore, right? ;) |
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| 18:04.23 | SquareGuy | abrotman, they are in pdf, chm... format. |
| 18:04.29 | Dwonis | rpt: I think make-kpkg does the install and modules_install for you, but rather than installing the files directly, it puts them in a .deb package. You still have to install that package. |
| 18:04.53 | SquareGuy | abrotman, of course a lot are rar'd first |
| 18:05.13 | rpt | Dwonis: yeah that I know, with dpkg -i, hum its just weird that my current config doesnt have anything in /etc/mkinitrd/modules, even though the config did have modules in it :D maybe im mistaken then |
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| 18:07.11 | Dwonis | !rarsmite SquareGuy |
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| 18:07.52 | Dwonis | rpt: I don't think /etc/mkinitrd/modules normally has anything in it, just like /etc/modules |
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| 18:08.13 | cureless | my /etc/modules always has stuff in it. |
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| 18:08.25 | Dwonis | s/normally/by default/ |
| 18:08.35 | cureless | are you calling me abnormal? |
| 18:08.41 | Dwonis | or, for the pedantic: s/normally/, by default,/ |
| 18:08.52 | cureless | or faulty? |
| 18:09.01 | Dwonis | cureless: no, but now that you mention it... |
| 18:09.07 | SquareGuy | Dwonis, hey I dont make the rules - most folks post in rar format and I am sure they won't repost in another format just on my account :) at least we can unrar them. |
| 18:09.29 | cureless | SquareGuy: so, what is it that's holding you up right now? |
| 18:09.43 | SquareGuy | Dwonis, i prefer 7z |
| 18:09.57 | SquareGuy | cureless, nothing |
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| 18:10.32 | rpt | Dwonis: ok that explains it, thanks for your help! |
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| 18:12.01 | gnetux | hi everyone |
| 18:12.36 | scytheman | isn't there any "run application" menuentry/command in blackbox? |
| 18:12.46 | gnetux | anybody coud halp me with kernel? |
| 18:12.54 | pyroplasm | scytheman: fbrun |
| 18:12.59 | Dwonis | scytheman: I don't know about blackbox, but did you try "alt-f2"? |
| 18:13.25 | scytheman | Dwonis, doesn't work |
| 18:13.40 | scytheman | pyroplasm, thanks, i will look at this |
| 18:13.56 | Dwonis | personally, I have keylaunch configured to run xterm whenever I press Super_L key (a.k.a. left Windows key) |
| 18:14.03 | Dwonis | then I just run whatever & exit |
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| 18:14.42 | AlinuxSOS | hello damog |
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| 18:14.52 | damog | AlinuxSOS: Hello. |
| 18:14.56 | pyroplasm | scytheman: fbrun comes with fluxbox though.. |
| 18:15.03 | Stormx2 | XGL didn't work ;-) oh well |
| 18:15.04 | scytheman | mmh |
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| 18:15.39 | AlinuxSOS | I'm your famous nightmare :) some news about mozilla-firefox-locales-ka ? |
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| 18:16.28 | gnetux | somone could help me with kernel compile |
| 18:16.29 | _abbenormal | gnetux, look at this for info on making kernels http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG |
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| 18:16.42 | AlinuxSOS | damog, ? |
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| 18:16.50 | AlinuxSOS | nothing done? |
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| 18:17.09 | AlinuxSOS | :( |
| 18:17.09 | gnetux | <_abbenormal>i think it's a problerm with grub |
| 18:17.23 | gnetux | _abbenormal:i think it's a problerm with grub |
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| 18:17.42 | Dwonis | sigh. I'm in the middle of an aptitude upgrade, and my "Sans Serif" font is a serif font. Go figure. |
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| 18:17.59 | _abbenormal | ok then why are you asking about kernel compiles then |
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| 18:18.34 | chealer9 | AlinuxSOS: don't ask a vague question to someone in particular. instead, ask a pertinent question to the channel |
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| 18:19.24 | agilman | howdy, Im trying to do 'make menuconfig' on kernel 2.6.16-13, and it doesn't work. Here are the errors Im getting : www.agilman.org/errorlog |
| 18:19.39 | _abbenormal | gnetux, take a few and read the info it may have your answer there |
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| 18:20.02 | kombi | when you have apache and apache-ssl, how do you do apachectl configtest or graceful for either one? |
| 18:20.18 | AlinuxSOS | chealer9, I'm talking to damog, because we have some mozilla-locales packaging business. |
| 18:20.19 | abrotman | SquareGuy: they make converters |
| 18:20.22 | AlinuxSOS | no vague questions. |
| 18:20.34 | AlinuxSOS | damog, knows me :) |
| 18:20.41 | chealer9 | AlinuxSOS: then please pm him |
| 18:21.10 | x`y`-xy | how can make a raid in linux |
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| 18:21.11 | chealer9 | agilman: kernel 2.6.16-13? |
| 18:21.13 | x`y`-xy | in debina |
| 18:21.16 | x`y`-xy | debian |
| 18:21.43 | _abbenormal | agilman, save your config if you have made a kernel before if not dont worry id remove the old source then open it again and do a new link to it and start over fresh |
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| 18:22.01 | kombi | x_: when you install |
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| 18:22.52 | abrotman | x`y`-xy: hw or sw ? |
| 18:23.09 | Dwonis | x`y`-xy: your nick is evil |
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| 18:24.13 | SonnyBurnett | hi, Ijust created my two keys gpg, now is it necessary that I sign my own key? |
| 18:24.25 | agilman | chealer9: yes, 2.6.16-13 |
| 18:24.34 | chealer9 | agilman: where did you get that from? |
| 18:24.54 | agilman | hmm the oregonstate mirror |
| 18:25.10 | chealer9 | agilman: more precisely? URL? |
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| 18:25.23 | agilman | sorry, I am lacking all x |
| 18:25.39 | dotCOMmie | agilman: you do mean 2.6.16.13 |
| 18:25.50 | dotCOMmie | ? |
| 18:26.04 | agilman | dotCOMmie: yes |
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| 18:26.14 | agilman | I never compiled a kernel before |
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| 18:26.30 | Dwonis | SonnyBurnett: well, you have to sign your own key, but gpg should do that for you when you generate the key |
| 18:26.40 | _MiTo_ | agilman : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
| 18:26.48 | jacopaco | hi |
| 18:26.57 | _abbenormal | agilman, read this it help http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG |
| 18:27.05 | abrotman | !kp |
| 18:27.05 | dpkg | somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 18:27.18 | agilman | is that the same as the kernel README ? |
| 18:27.20 | SonnyBurnett | Dwonis, how do I sign my own key? Is just like I'm signing anyboby's else key? |
| 18:27.40 | ojai | this morning, I noticed my desktop had gone down and was sitting at the lilo menu. below it, it said "time mismatch" -- anyone know what that's all about? I can't find anything useful w/ google |
| 18:27.58 | abrotman | and now it won't boot at all ? |
| 18:27.58 | _MiTo_ | agilman: do it debian way, after you finish with menuconfig it's a peace of cake, but remmember to leave old kernel |
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| 18:28.14 | Dwonis | SonnyBurnett: "gpg --sign-key $your_key_id", but again, unless you did something you shouldn't have, it should already be self-signed. |
| 18:28.16 | abrotman | !homonymsmite _MiTo_ |
| 18:28.21 | RvGaTe | I have a creative usb web-cam, how can i make this work on a server, without a gui, and use a command to create a picture from the webcam |
| 18:28.31 | dotCOMmie | agilman: does ncurses work? |
| 18:28.34 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: dmesg sees it? |
| 18:28.46 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: what kernel? i've got a quickkam, and it doesn't work with 2.6 for me |
| 18:28.48 | agilman | dotCOMmie: sorry, I dont know what ncurses is |
| 18:28.53 | SonnyBurnett | Dwonis, hi do I know if my key is already self-signed? |
| 18:28.54 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: and sid doesn't support 2.4 kernels anymore :( |
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| 18:29.14 | abrotman | libncurses-dev or libncurses5-dev |
| 18:29.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know briquolo kicks ass |
| 18:29.29 | chealer9 | agilman: no |
| 18:29.46 | tarzeau | i wish debian sucks less |
| 18:30.03 | RichiH | tarzeau: use gentoo |
| 18:30.07 | RvGaTe | tarzeau: 2.4 |
| 18:30.08 | tarzeau | RichiH: hahahahaha |
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| 18:30.11 | _MiTo_ | LOL : |
| 18:30.12 | _MiTo_ | ) |
| 18:30.15 | tarzeau | RichiH: i'm in windows, using itunes |
| 18:30.17 | _abbenormal | lol |
| 18:30.20 | tarzeau | RichiH: and i fear what i do |
| 18:30.25 | RichiH | tarzeau: i hope that was a joke.. |
| 18:30.45 | tarzeau | RichiH: want a screenshot? |
| 18:30.46 | RichiH | tarzeau: no, thanks |
| 18:30.46 | abrotman | RichiH: no .. he's not joking .. he's not smart enough to figure out how to make his laptop run Debian |
| 18:30.52 | tarzeau | RichiH: really print screen and ms-paint are great, i'll show you |
| 18:31.02 | Dwonis | SonnyBurnett: I'm not entirely sure. I think gpg will warn if it's not. I also think you can do "gpg --list-sigs $your_key_id" and look for a "sig" line that has your key ID in it. But check the gpg documentation to be sure. |
| 18:31.09 | dotCOMmie | agilman: what does dpkg -l|grep ncurses show? |
| 18:31.13 | RichiH | abrotman: i hope _you_ are joking |
| 18:31.18 | abrotman | RichiH: nope |
| 18:31.22 | RichiH | though i might have to use an ibook soon |
| 18:31.32 | RichiH | cause my laptop is dying |
| 18:31.39 | RichiH | and i do not want to buy a new one |
| 18:31.48 | RichiH | so i will take whatever i can get |
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| 18:31.56 | RichiH | in this case, an old ibook from the chair |
| 18:32.19 | wireddd | i'm still using an old 600mhz laptop from 2000 |
| 18:32.28 | tarzeau | RichiH: http://snow.ethz.ch/windows.png |
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| 18:33.04 | agilman | dotCOMmie: www.agilman.org/ncurses |
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| 18:33.23 | SonnyBurnett | Dwonis, Yep, you where right... my key was already signed, probably when I created it |
| 18:33.45 | dotCOMmie | agilman: I am not sure but you might need libncurses5-dev (apt-get install libncurses5-dev) |
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| 18:34.09 | Dwonis | !nonfreesmite tarzeau |
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| 18:34.52 | jetscreamer | ooo nice lart |
| 18:34.54 | tarzeau | Dwonis: at least here my tv card/webcam works |
| 18:35.09 | RichiH | annett louisan sucks |
| 18:35.13 | tarzeau | RichiH: hahaha |
| 18:35.15 | sepski | aaargh the pain... the horror... |
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| 18:35.19 | tarzeau | RichiH: no she doesn't |
| 18:35.25 | quittt | is someone here using Etch with Doomsday? |
| 18:35.35 | tarzeau | RichiH: and conny engel? |
| 18:35.43 | RichiH | itunes looks a lot like amarok |
| 18:35.45 | dotCOMmie | Dwonis: apt-get install vrms; vrms |
| 18:35.52 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 18:35.52 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 18:36.04 | tarzeau | RichiH: fortunately it doesn't use gtk/qt |
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| 18:36.13 | RichiH | amarok does :) |
| 18:36.41 | password1 | Hey, I'm having an issue while trying to install the nvidia drivers i downloaded from their website. I get a message saying I don't have the kernal source files. Any ideas? |
| 18:36.42 | dotCOMmie | agilman: does it work now(after you installed libncurses5-dev)? |
| 18:36.57 | agilman | bah, I deleted the source dir |
| 18:36.57 | dotCOMmie | password1: which kernel are your using? |
| 18:37.02 | agilman | one sec, extrating it again |
| 18:37.08 | password1 | Well I just did a fresh install of debian |
| 18:37.15 | password1 | I'm really not sure (kinda new to this stuff) |
| 18:37.19 | password1 | it was a net-install |
| 18:37.24 | dotCOMmie | password1: dpkg -l|grep kernel |
| 18:37.31 | Dwonis | !tell password1 about nvidia |
| 18:38.33 | johnsu01 | Any ideas for what to check when building something on debian unstable from source and libraries aren't being found, even though they are installed? |
| 18:38.33 | tarzeau | don't laugh. we use it, and it's good |
| 18:38.41 | quittt | libopenal0a is making me have a headache |
| 18:38.44 | Dwonis | tarzeau: whaa? |
| 18:38.48 | johnsu01 | PKC_CONFIG_PATH is correct, points to .pc files for the libraries |
| 18:38.51 | quittt | what simply dont stay with the same fucking name? |
| 18:38.53 | johnsu01 | *PKG |
| 18:38.56 | tarzeau | Dwonis: yea, and it's good |
| 18:38.57 | quittt | why dont keep it libopenal0??? |
| 18:39.00 | quittt | damnit |
| 18:39.03 | kekeke | hmm? |
| 18:39.10 | stew | quittt: becuase the abi changed |
| 18:39.10 | tarzeau | Dwonis: sarge nv driver don't support latest nvidia cards. and no "vesa" IS NOT usable |
| 18:39.19 | tarzeau | Dwonis: we got our own mirrors you know |
| 18:39.30 | quittt | stew, I need a doomsday binary |
| 18:39.41 | johnsu01 | This same source built ok on a much older fedora core system |
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| 18:40.17 | stew | johnsu01: what are you building and what is it complaining about? |
| 18:40.41 | johnsu01 | stew: I'm building leaftag, and it's complaining about glib-2.0, gobject-2.0, and sqlite, all of which are installed. |
| 18:40.52 | johnsu01 | libleaftag, to be precise. |
| 18:41.07 | johnsu01 | the version numbers are newer than the requirements. |
| 18:41.10 | lazzarello | what is the point behind having /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- ? |
| 18:41.14 | sohmestra | johnsu01: perhaps you need glib-2.0-dev or some such? |
| 18:41.26 | stew | johnsu01: you have libglib2.0-dev installed? |
| 18:41.51 | tarzeau | Dwonis: you want it? |
| 18:41.52 | johnsu01 | stew: yes. |
| 18:42.13 | Dwonis | tarzeau: maybe later. right now I'm going to go get a haircut |
| 18:42.14 | quittt | stew, is it possible to change the application dependencies by hand? |
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| 18:42.27 | SonnyBurnett | When I send my gpg key to a server, I do not receive a output message, I read that I must receive something like "gpg: success sending to 'certserver.pgp.com' (status=200)", Why I dont receive that message? |
| 18:42.41 | stew | quittt: you would have to recompile it, they changed the name becuase its no longer binary compatible |
| 18:42.49 | quittt | stew, but it is |
| 18:42.49 | lazzarello | is /etc/shadow a fake file? or is it used by anything that doesn't use /etc/shadow- ? |
| 18:42.52 | quittt | the problem is the name |
| 18:43.00 | quittt | stew, it is running ok |
| 18:43.05 | quittt | but it says that I miss a library |
| 18:43.08 | quittt | but I dont |
| 18:43.09 | stew | quittt: they wouldn't have changed the name if it was binary compatible |
| 18:43.16 | Dwonis | lazzarello: run "ls -l /etc/passwd /etc/shadow". Notice how /etc/password is world-readable, and /etc/shadow isn't. That's why we have /etc/shadow. |
| 18:43.48 | quittt | stew, but is running |
| 18:43.59 | dotCOMmie | quittt: make a dummy package |
| 18:44.01 | lazzarello | Dwonis, you didn't read correctly |
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| 18:44.20 | quittt | I dont know how to make package |
| 18:44.25 | lazzarello | what is /etc/shadow- used for as opposed to /etc/shadow? |
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| 18:44.32 | tarzeau | quittt: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 18:44.34 | ketto | ciao a tutti |
| 18:44.43 | ketto | c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi un attimo? |
| 18:44.44 | RvGaTe | I have a creative usb web-cam, how can i make this work on a server, without a gui, and use a command to create a picture from the webcam... first of all, how do i know if its even going to work? does debian has general drivers? lots of questions, please help :) |
| 18:44.57 | stew | quittt: then you have to wait |
| 18:45.05 | Ronin | !it |
| 18:45.06 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:46.33 | lazzarello | I'll try something else. How do I remove a local user from /etc/shadow to set up NIS authentication? |
| 18:48.01 | quittt | is there a debian package changer? |
| 18:48.19 | quittt | I jsut want to put a letter to make it doesnt say that miss something |
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| 18:49.58 | tarzeau | RichiH: seriously did you even listen to her? |
| 18:50.10 | rpt | hum I did not quite get it still; so I have ulsata2.ko (driver for a sata2 controller card) in /lib/modules/<old kernel version>/kernel/drivers/scsi, and I want to include that to the new kernel I made with --initrd...ive done make-kpkg but not dpkg -i yet, how do I proceed? :o |
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| 18:51.25 | RichiH | tarzeau: unfortunately, yes |
| 18:51.31 | RichiH | she is quite popular in .de |
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| 18:51.41 | pzn | Hi! I'd like to know if I can use 2 gigabit network cards (in each machine) to increase bandwidth between 4 machines. is there any kernel module that can simulate the same IP address for two cards? (or any workaround) |
| 18:51.42 | RichiH | i even had to give my mom her album for christmas |
| 18:51.44 | tarzeau | RichiH: i see |
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| 18:51.53 | RichiH | in all honesty, she sucks |
| 18:51.55 | tarzeau | RichiH: poor RichiH *tap tap* |
| 18:52.10 | RichiH | but you are free to have your own, totally misguided and wrong, opinions and tastes ;) |
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| 18:52.33 | kekeke | Hey, I was here a second ago asking about the nvidia drivers. I ran the one-liner installer and I got an error talking about it couldn't download the package. I should add something to my sources.list. anyone got a address I can add? |
| 18:52.43 | rpt | pzn: maybe http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 is something for you |
| 18:53.01 | RichiH | kekeke: well, it will have told you, i guess |
| 18:53.07 | tarzeau | RichiH: hehe :) thanks |
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| 18:53.24 | RichiH | tarzeau: cya, you misguided music consumer |
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| 18:53.26 | tarzeau | RichiH: at least kekeke is a nice nick :) |
| 18:53.30 | tarzeau | RichiH: :) i love you |
| 18:53.32 | tarzeau | too |
| 18:53.32 | kekeke | lols |
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| 18:53.46 | kekeke | Password1 was a bad nick D= |
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| 18:56.32 | pzn | rpt, exactly what I need. thanks! great answer! |
| 18:56.35 | johnsu01 | stew: ah, I was missing the sqlite dev package. |
| 18:56.51 | Azar | lilo who can I talk to about donation to freenode? I have a sensitive question there |
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| 18:57.06 | Shadowcat | what's a good program to stress test a gpu? |
| 18:57.17 | _MiTo_ | super tux |
| 18:57.18 | _MiTo_ | :) |
| 18:57.26 | Shadowcat | super tux? |
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| 18:57.31 | _MiTo_ | I'm kiddin |
| 18:57.32 | _MiTo_ | :) |
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| 18:57.49 | Shadowcat | seriously |
| 18:57.55 | SquareGuy | Shadowcat, what sort of gpu |
| 18:58.00 | Shadowcat | 5700 |
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| 18:58.16 | SonnyBurnett | When I send my gpg key to a server, I do not receive a output message, I've read that I should receive something like "gpg: success sending to 'certserver.pgp.com' (status=200)", Why I dont receive that message? |
| 18:59.05 | SquareGuy | Shadowcat, well i am not sure for nvidia. ati has fglrx_gears. possible to install it seperately? let me look. |
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| 19:01.07 | SquareGuy | Shadowcat, do you have a game like quake123/return to castle wolfenstein, unreal, etc? run them in demo loop mode |
| 19:01.28 | rpt | so, no takers on my modules issue? =P |
| 19:02.37 | lazzarello | so.../etc/shadow- /etc/passwd- WTF? I can't find any documentation on them. Is this a Debian thing? |
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| 19:04.11 | kristalino | what's the way to auto restart a daemon when it crashes ? |
| 19:04.12 | Azar | lazzarello: google? http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lame/LAME/linux-admin-made-easy/shadow-file-formats.html |
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| 19:05.22 | lazzarello | argh...no one is listening /etc/shadow ! |
| 19:05.29 | lazzarello | != to /etc/shadow= |
| 19:05.38 | lazzarello | /etc/shadow- |
| 19:05.56 | lazzarello | sorry. a bit clumsy. |
| 19:06.00 | Azar | lazzarello: oh sorry I have no idea what you mean |
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| 19:06.22 | rpt | lazzarello: arent they like backup files only or smth =D |
| 19:06.25 | lazzarello | Azar, can you do me a favor and paste the output of ls -l /etc/shadow* |
| 19:06.26 | rpt | lazzarello: ive no idea just guessing |
| 19:06.30 | pyroplasm | lazzarello: shadow- is a hard link on shadow - the files are identical |
| 19:06.36 | Azar | ok |
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| 19:07.25 | lazzarello | pyroplasm, I changed the contents of /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- didn't change |
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| 19:08.18 | gnetux | help i'm stuck |
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| 19:08.36 | gnetux | problems with new kernel |
| 19:08.54 | pyroplasm | lazzarello: did you change it and closed the editor? if not: editors don't usually edit the files but rather copies |
| 19:09.32 | lazzarello | yes, I closed the editor |
| 19:10.02 | lazzarello | what makes you think it's a hard link? |
| 19:10.10 | lazzarello | man ls |
| 19:10.11 | pyroplasm | lazzarello: same inode. |
| 19:10.13 | lazzarello | sorry |
| 19:10.35 | lazzarello | 834592 -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 625 2006-04-21 16:48 /etc/shadow |
| 19:10.35 | lazzarello | 834371 -rw------- 1 root root 599 2006-03-09 18:52 /etc/shadow- |
| 19:11.05 | thiago_silva | Hello! Anyone with amd64 and Asus A8N? I'm having trouble seting up network after installing debian testing amd64 netinst. The installation recognized the network card and downloaded the packages jsut fine, but when I login, I can't ping any host, and there is no error report about error seting up the eth. |
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| 19:11.41 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, is it avaiable nvidia-graphics-drivers for etch? |
| 19:11.59 | Fox_1_ | which imap server do you suggest which work with Maildir?? |
| 19:12.23 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 19:12.24 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 19:12.29 | abrotman | Fox_1_: courier |
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| 19:12.47 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: no, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from Etch |
| 19:13.07 | Fox_1_ | abrotman: but it's very big and i couldn't found good documentation for it. |
| 19:13.21 | abrotman | you asked .. don't whine .. also look at dovecot |
| 19:13.22 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, So there's no way to install it in etch? |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | Fox_1_: or ask #courier |
| 19:13.37 | Fox_1_ | ok, thansk |
| 19:14.03 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: you mean that particular package, or NVIDIA graphics drivers for Etch? because there are still legacy NVIDIA graphics drivers in Etch |
| 19:15.05 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, I mean the driver that supports 3D acceleration, I remember that I had is installed, but it had problems with Xorg so I had to remove it |
| 19:15.08 | pyroplasm | lazzarello: sorry. the md5sums are identical but the inodes differ (915337, 914337). I should get my eyes fixed :) |
| 19:15.28 | lazzarello | still a mystery |
| 19:15.32 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: OK, well as I told you, you can still install the legacy version from Etch |
| 19:15.51 | lazzarello | sucks to have to change 6 files to enable NIS on a client. |
| 19:16.06 | jengelh | NIS is like out. |
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| 19:16.33 | jengelh | nss_mysql or LDAP seem like more appropriate things today. |
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| 19:16.49 | lazzarello | jengelh, how bout you set up LDAP on my network for free! |
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| 19:16.54 | thiago_silva | Well...I've tried ifconfig eth1 down/up, change some settings, etc....and had a look at /etc/network/interfaces. The setup seems to be right, so I don't know if it is a module issue. The host is cable connected with the server, and has static IP so, at least, I should be able to ping the server. But the "host is unreachable". I have the same setup for the current system I'm running (slackware), and here, everything works just fine. |
| 19:17.10 | harleyg | does ssh have sound forwarding? |
| 19:17.21 | jengelh | lazzarello: No problem. Just tell me the number of users so I can estimate the time. |
| 19:17.24 | harleyg | like x forwarding |
| 19:17.30 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, what's the method to install it? |
| 19:17.52 | jengelh | harleyg : SSH has forwarding for everything that can be done over TCP. |
| 19:18.08 | harleyg | and, can sound be forwarded over tcp? |
| 19:18.08 | Azar | thiago_silva: maybe the dns servers not set-up? |
| 19:18.10 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: try just following the guide, considering that you want to install the legacy drivers |
| 19:18.18 | Kraig | harleyg: like esd? |
| 19:18.19 | jengelh | X11 was designed to be a Client/Server architecture. Sound not. Not really. You can try poking with sound daemons. |
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| 19:18.33 | lazzarello | jengelh, I was joking. |
| 19:18.43 | harleyg | im trying to forward from a box with no sound card or x |
| 19:18.51 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, ok thanks |
| 19:18.55 | harleyg | is it possible still? |
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| 19:18.59 | Kraig | harleyg: easy, man esd |
| 19:19.00 | jengelh | harleyg : Of course. |
| 19:19.11 | harleyg | thanks |
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| 19:19.12 | jengelh | Maybe that would be a cool project... :p |
| 19:19.27 | fas3r | nobody use nocat ? |
| 19:19.54 | Atog | I'm tried to install the xorg and x-window-system unstable packages and recieved errors during the install process.. anyone know when this issue will be corrected or a work around for the problem? |
| 19:20.36 | guess2 | how do you launch |
| 19:20.41 | Kraig | harleyg: i do (in 10.0.0.1) esd -tcp -public -port 5001 -bind 10.0.0.2 -nobeeps, and installed xmms with an esd plugin in 10.0.0.2 or use esdcat, whatever. |
| 19:20.45 | guess2 | how do you launch aptitude with xterm? |
| 19:20.48 | thiago_silva | Azar, dns? I'm not sure....I'm not very "literate" on network, but I assume at least, setting up the card and the interface with the proper IP, and I should be able to ping the server I'm connected to. |
| 19:20.59 | guess2 | oh nvm |
| 19:21.19 | Azar | thiago_silva: in /etc/resolv.conf there must be at least 2 DNS server IPs that are assigned by your ISP |
| 19:21.36 | Azar | thiago_silva: if there is nothing there, find the IP numbers and add them |
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| 19:21.41 | Kraig | try pinging them or host justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 19:21.42 | thiago_silva | Azar, I had one entry in resolv.conf.....2 is mandatory? |
| 19:22.06 | Azar | thiago_silva: this is my case I do not know your ISP policy |
| 19:22.08 | chealer9 | Atog: how would one know which issue you're referring to when the only thing you say is "recieved errors during the install process"? |
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| 19:22.43 | Azar | thiago_silva: but I remember when I installed Debian Woody , the installer requested me for 2 DNS server addresses |
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| 19:22.53 | Mon | does anyone know how to force wine/cedega to use esd? |
| 19:22.58 | redloff | hi, what could cause such low efficiency of my hdd --> http://redloff.bash.pl/dump.txt ? |
| 19:22.59 | Kraig | it just asked me for one DNS server :) |
| 19:23.02 | thiago_silva | Azar, even with the entries, they are there for acessing the internet. But I'm not even able to connect to my gateway (wich I'm fisically/directed connected to) |
| 19:23.13 | Atog | chealer9: the errors occurred during the preconfigure process of those packages.. there wasn't much information on it other than it failed with error 10 |
| 19:23.24 | harleyg | kraig: Unable to bind port 50322 |
| 19:23.33 | chealer9 | Atog: did you think about...checking the BTS? |
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| 19:23.44 | Azar | thiago_silva: call your ISP and ask ... then try adding a 2nd DNS address there, maybe that will fix it |
| 19:23.45 | guess2 | can bastille affect some of my applications? |
| 19:23.45 | thiago_silva | Azar, the installer was able to setup, given the info I typed. But when login, I can't even ping the PC I'm connected to |
| 19:24.10 | Kraig | harleyg: i'd recommend using google then :) it works for me like a charm. |
| 19:24.20 | Mr_Molez | is there anyway to totally remove everything mysql on debian ? including config files |
| 19:24.33 | mrgrimm | heloo |
| 19:24.43 | Kraig | harleyg: i'm not sure if you need to watch the man for /etc/esound/esd.conf |
| 19:24.47 | thiago_silva | Azar, ignoring the internet acess...the bare minimum I should be able to do, is to ping the PC I'm directly connected to. And that is the problem I'm having. |
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| 19:25.22 | Kraig | you're not using DHCP thiago_silva ? |
| 19:25.22 | Azar | thiago_silva: when I installed I needed: my box "name", my IP address and the 2 DNS adresses, the system figured out the gateway automatically |
| 19:25.35 | thiago_silva | Kraig, nop. My debian host is static IP. |
| 19:25.43 | Azar | thiago_silva: ah I see, then maybe is your ethernet card issue |
| 19:25.44 | fas3r | nocat use iptables ..but if i install nocat on my gateway where they are my firewall ... do you think it's possible when nocat start it reset all my iptable script ? |
| 19:25.47 | mrgrimm | i have a question im a new user first off when i go to install and set up programs from tar file i do it right till i have to access the make file when i go to open the make file threw the prompt it says file not found |
| 19:26.01 | Kraig | thiago_silva: ifconfig be sure the interfaces are up, arp -a |
| 19:26.11 | Azar | thiago_silva: see if you have the right module installed for your nic |
| 19:26.25 | thiago_silva | Kraig, it was there. eth1 with the mask, IP and everything. |
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| 19:26.42 | Kraig | arp -a returns nothing? |
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| 19:26.54 | kroddn | Ich wünsche allen, die es noch vor sich haben, viel Glück beim ABI! Oder vielmehr: viel Erfolg ;-) |
| 19:27.00 | Kraig | !deutsch |
| 19:27.00 | dpkg | deutsch is probably #debian.de |
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| 19:27.20 | thiago_silva | Azar, I'm not very sure I have the right one. That's why I was looking for someone with the same motherboard.... |
| 19:27.49 | Azar | thiago_silva: you need to know the exact name of your hardware (nic) this way you can find which is the right module to use |
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| 19:28.00 | Azar | thiago_silva: what chipset? |
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| 19:28.08 | scytheman | is it possible to define multiple addresses for one server in irssi? |
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| 19:28.48 | Azar | thiago_silva: type lspci and look at Ethernet controller spec line |
| 19:28.55 | thiago_silva | Azar...I'll have a look at it. It's nForce....the module loaded is eth1394.... |
| 19:29.58 | Azar | thiago_silva: kernel version helps too, if you use a 2.4.x kernel going for a 2.6.x (2.6.8 in stable) will help since has more hardware support |
| 19:31.15 | thiago_silva | Azar, thanks. I'm using 2.6.x already (debian testing/unstable). I will try getting more info about the network card. |
| 19:31.29 | Azar | ah ok |
| 19:31.34 | Atog | chealer9: there wasn't any info in the BTS |
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| 19:32.29 | chealer9 | Atog: I would be surprised. I closed a duplicate of what you're complaining about just a few hours ago |
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| 19:35.03 | jetx | so in sid, is it that if you run gnome they don't want you devving kde, or is it that if you dev on kde they don't want you running gnome |
| 19:35.37 | dondelelcaro | jetx: eh? |
| 19:35.38 | jetx | yes that was a joke... but still true in effect |
| 19:35.52 | rio_ | Why do the packages dpkg-repack have different checksums each time I run it? |
| 19:35.57 | dondelelcaro | jetx: you can run and/or develop whatever you want. You can install both of them too. |
| 19:36.02 | dondelelcaro | rio_: because the timestamps have changed. |
| 19:36.15 | jetx | libfam/gamin kde-dev/gnome: conflicts, removes naughtylust if you install kde4 dev libs |
| 19:37.32 | dondelelcaro | jetx: that's because nautilus depends on fam which gamin conflicts with. |
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| 19:38.44 | guess2 | !hardened |
| 19:38.47 | jetx | other way around.. depends on gamin which fam0 conflicts with which kdelibs4-dev wants |
| 19:38.50 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I have the kernel: linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp installed, now I installed nvidia-glx-legacy but it installed the nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.15-486, and when I try to install the nvidia drivers it fails, also I cant find the linux-headers for the version of my kernel there is just headers for the 2.6.15 versions, why? |
| 19:39.03 | SonnyBurnett | ooh I forget..I use Etch |
| 19:39.07 | dondelelcaro | !conflicts gamin |
| 19:39.12 | dpkg | gamin: fam |
| 19:39.16 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: why are you still running 2.6.12? |
| 19:39.34 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, 2.6.12 is not for Etch? |
| 19:39.35 | dondelelcaro | jetx: try again... |
| 19:39.48 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: 2.6.12 left Etch a long time ago |
| 19:40.11 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, when I updated to 2.6.15 I had many problems, like I couldnt create jgp files, amarok crashes, etc |
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| 19:40.35 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: jgp files? |
| 19:40.46 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, sorry, jpeg |
| 19:41.01 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: using which software? |
| 19:41.05 | jetx | !conflicts libfam0 |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | libfam0: libfam0c102 (<< 2.7.0-9) |
| 19:41.10 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, there was many problems with libraries... the gimp |
| 19:41.19 | jetx | !conflicts libfam-dev |
| 19:41.23 | dpkg | libfam-dev: does not conflict with any other package |
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| 19:41.35 | dondelelcaro | jetx: and anyway, nautilus allows you to have either fam or gamin installed. |
| 19:41.38 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, what do you recommend me?? a full upgrade? |
| 19:41.43 | Atog | chealer9: what was the bug number cause I can't seem to find a report on it |
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| 19:41.47 | denny | when I click on 'unmark' in synaptic and it completely ignores me, where am I going wrong? :) |
| 19:42.06 | chealer9 | Atog: check the package's changelog, it will mention the bug as closed |
| 19:42.45 | guess2 | anyone here got their box hardened? |
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| 19:43.02 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: I have big doubts that the problems you mention are specific to 2.6.15. I'd recommend you to try again. did you ask for help with these problems? |
| 19:43.06 | rio_ | dondelelcaro: is it possible to reset the timestamps within a tar file? |
| 19:43.25 | chealer9 | denny: what do you mean by "it ignores me"? |
| 19:43.29 | dondelelcaro | rio_: not trivially. Why are you bothering to do this? |
| 19:43.36 | denny | the package stays marked for upgrade |
| 19:43.57 | denny | I need to unmark it so I can uninstall a package that is conflicting with it |
| 19:44.01 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, nop,... I just load the old 2.6.12 kernel and everything was good, so I stayed... |
| 19:44.02 | jetx | dondelelcaro: yeah. but still, this is the scenario presented to me on installing the kde dev libs. it wants to uninstall nautilus. it 'should' present libgamin as an alternative or something though i see now |
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| 19:44.14 | chealer9 | denny: did you try restarting synaptic? |
| 19:44.37 | denny | I really don't want to do that, because I just spent twenty minutes hand-marking all the packages taht don't have conflicts for an upgrade :) |
| 19:44.44 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, ok I will do a #apt-get upgrade, lets see what happens |
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| 19:44.49 | denny | I know that will clear all the settings, but... I was hoping there would be a more sane solution :) |
| 19:44.53 | dondelelcaro | jetx: no... it should link really against one or the other; it's not unusual for dev packages to have conflicts... that's why we have pbuilder chroots. |
| 19:45.29 | denny | alternatively, is there any way to ask synaptic to do removes first, then upgrades? |
| 19:45.34 | CrazyNorman | I want to chroot into an unbootable install I have on this machine from a bootable install, to fix it. Upon chrooting in, I mount proc, yet have no network connectivity. What should I do to get networking working within the chrooted setup? |
| 19:45.38 | rio_ | dondelelcaro, playing around with binary diffs, i already have a script that will make small deltas between different versions of an uncompressed package. Just seeing if I can make it work when the user doesn't having the original deb lying round |
| 19:46.01 | jetx | but at least there's a v4l xorg module now |
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| 19:47.52 | jetx | omfg |
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| 19:48.06 | jetx | fb weirdness |
| 19:48.45 | jetx | must have installed console-common and reloaded and irssi flashed |
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| 19:49.29 | ssh_sesion | i have a server ...with 3 disk SCSI ...an i want to install debian ...but i want to make a RAID system ....how can make this ? |
| 19:49.30 | sandman | Why is it that when I dchroot, and I enter "su", it says it must be run from a terminal? |
| 19:49.43 | CrazyNorman | nv, forgot to mount proc |
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| 19:51.18 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:51.21 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 19:51.21 | dpkg | somebody said tetrinet was probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
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| 19:51.22 | handyhunter | hi zusammen |
| 19:51.29 | jetx | explicitly installing libgamin-dev first fixed it dondelelcaro |
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| 19:51.34 | dondelelcaro | rio_: yeah, you can repack it, but there's no way to know if the timestamps are right, or even if the package hasn't been modified otherwise. |
| 19:51.49 | handyhunter | kan mit hier jemand in deutsch helfen? |
| 19:51.58 | Althaser | where can I set my system date ? please |
| 19:52.08 | jetx | man date |
| 19:52.20 | jetx | i don't know the syntax |
| 19:52.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell Althaser -about set the time |
| 19:52.49 | Althaser | jetx hum okay |
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| 19:53.05 | jetx | and/or nntp |
| 19:53.09 | jetx | err ntp |
| 19:53.15 | Althaser | Wed May 3 14:53:07 CDT 2006 |
| 19:53.21 | Althaser | my problem is CDT |
| 19:53.22 | tralala | isn't udev supposed to load the firmware from /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? |
| 19:53.25 | Atog | chealer9: I'd love to say that I've found it, but I don't see anything in the changelog either that is indicative of the problem |
| 19:53.26 | Althaser | I would like to change :-P |
| 19:53.34 | Althaser | dondelelcaro let me see ;) |
| 19:53.50 | jetx | are you in central time? |
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| 19:53.53 | gnd | how do I migrate the old kernel config to the new kernel source? |
| 19:53.59 | jetx | aka gmt -6 |
| 19:54.08 | handyhunter | ich habe das problem das bei eingabe von sst das s verschwindet. ich muss also immer 2 ss schreiben |
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| 19:54.13 | SlayerXP | !de |
| 19:54.13 | denny | hrm... if I select to upgrade libeel2, synaptic tries to uninstall nautilus - but if I select to upgrade nautilus, it offers to upgrade libeel2. Is that correct behaviour? |
| 19:54.14 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 19:54.17 | handyhunter | woher könnt dier fehler kommen |
| 19:54.18 | Althaser | jetx nop I would like to change for GMT |
| 19:54.28 | tralala | gnd: cp /path/to/old/src/.conf /path/to/new/src |
| 19:54.34 | chealer9 | Atog: it's the second bug mentioned in http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg/news/20060503T044718Z.html |
| 19:54.37 | jetx | that would be timezone change, tzconfig ? |
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| 19:54.59 | jetx | or are you in central but want gmt |
| 19:55.04 | Althaser | w00t :D |
| 19:55.12 | dondelelcaro | Althaser: run tzconfig |
| 19:55.18 | Althaser | that's it tzconfig thanks a lot |
| 19:55.31 | intx | E BIL. |
| 19:55.43 | jetx | 100 |
| 19:56.34 | jetx | denny: it's common, at least. |
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| 19:58.20 | Azar | next release date announced? http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14508 |
| 19:58.25 | Althaser | dondelelcaro jetx fixed :-) thanks |
| 19:58.31 | xomhau | hi all |
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| 19:59.30 | jahshua | hi Shadowcat :) |
| 20:00.04 | xomhau | anyone, i want install kavi2svcd , but when i run configure with error : checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
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| 20:00.10 | Atog | chealer9: thanks for the info.. looks like I have to do a little bit of work to get to install right |
| 20:00.46 | madclicker | is there a way to disable an account from command line? |
| 20:01.01 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: passwd |
| 20:01.44 | rpt | err, what way could dpkg -i kernelimage mess with the other kernels i have?? |
| 20:01.52 | madclicker | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 20:01.54 | rpt | now i cant boot not only the new kernel, but any of the old ones (that arent initrd, the new on is) |
| 20:03.02 | cshaman | I think I am a bit mixed up between window managers and desktop environments. I use Window Maker, so am I using GNUstep as my desktop environment? |
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| 20:05.11 | rpt | jeesh everyones gone to bed :( |
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| 20:06.21 | Damon | ave |
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| 20:06.41 | kekeke | can someone help me with the nvidia one liner? |
| 20:06.52 | Damon | i have a serious problem with apache2 + mysql_auth |
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| 20:08.28 | Damon | someone use the modul with apache2 ? |
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| 20:10.22 | chealer9 | kekeke: not without knowing how to help you, but anyway you probably want to use the guide instead of the one-liner. the one-liner is quite incomplete |
| 20:10.24 | denny | how do I dig a file out of a .deb ? |
| 20:10.48 | chealer9 | denny: do you use KDE? |
| 20:10.51 | denny | apparently the udev preinstall script wants a file that's um, not installed |
| 20:10.53 | denny | nope |
| 20:10.54 | tralala | denny: dpkg -x (extract) |
| 20:10.58 | denny | thanks |
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| 20:12.26 | denny | that worked, thanks |
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| 20:16.25 | kekeke | chealer9: Well I did the one-liner command and everything fine, but it just says I need to update my sources.list with a server that has the package i need |
| 20:16.49 | chealer9 | kekeke: at which step? |
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| 20:17.24 | kekeke | for the module assistant i believe |
| 20:17.30 | kekeke | it was asking for a server |
| 20:17.35 | marculix | whois kekeke |
| 20:17.40 | kekeke | whois kekeke |
| 20:17.45 | marculix | sry |
| 20:17.50 | kekeke | hehe, im new :P |
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| 20:18.00 | polm | I have USB-STORAGE built-in to my current kernel. I am trying to access my iPod via VMWare, but I'm getting a conflict with the usb mass storage driver. Is there any way to disable a built in driver? |
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| 20:18.30 | chealer9 | kekeke: do you have non-free and contrib sources? |
| 20:18.51 | kekeke | im not sure what you mean by that but the message I got said something about that |
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| 20:18.56 | kekeke | (im new to debian, sorry) |
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| 20:20.32 | tralala | kekeke: read man sources.list. It will tell you how to edit the file so you can add contrib and non-free there. |
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| 20:21.10 | kekeke | tralala: dose that mean then I actually dont have to add any other server address' then? |
| 20:22.51 | abrotman | kspath: ping! |
| 20:23.02 | tralala | kekeke: if you have a debian mirror added already I suppose you won't need to add another one, just include contrib and non-free. However I have never installed the nvidia drivers with the one-liner so I'm only guessing. |
| 20:23.12 | kekeke | okay |
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| 20:23.24 | kekeke | tralala: I thought that error ment I had to add a server that had the package, |
| 20:23.31 | kekeke | tralala: looking oup the man page now |
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| 20:23.47 | wireddd | whats a good window manager that I can try out that works with multi monitor setups? besides e16 |
| 20:23.55 | abrotman | all of them? |
| 20:24.08 | mbishop | heh most wm's now a days have xinerama support |
| 20:24.14 | wireddd | do they? |
| 20:24.16 | lazzarello | wireddd, I'm fond of fluxbox, though the work machine uses Gnome |
| 20:24.34 | kekeke | I'm going to takae off to try it out . Thanks for the help. |
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| 20:25.46 | GenNMX | Hey, I'm using debian testing and I just recently got a weird problem with Xorg. My Matrox G4 Dualhead was working fine until I installed a new HDD. Now it gives garbled video on both monitors and ALT+F1-F6,F8-F12 gives "Out of Range" messages on both monitors. Any ideas? I'm going to treat it as a hardware problem for right now, reseating the video card and disconnecting all IDE devices except hda. |
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| 20:26.07 | wireddd | I just feel like trying out everything today, because I am bored |
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| 20:26.17 | exalted | Hi. I'd like to know if there's an easy way to install another Debian system on a separate partition on my disk using actual host/base system?? |
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| 20:26.43 | Phlexonance | kill doesnt seem to work, I have 4 zombies already, whats going on |
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| 20:27.23 | lakai | hello is there an debian install CD with kernel 2.6.15 or higher? i need it because of my sata controller.. |
| 20:27.37 | GenNMX | exalted: You don't need to have /home, /boot, etc. all on separate partitions, you can have them on the same partition. Are you talking about having two Debian systems on the same computer, like Stable + Testing? |
| 20:28.01 | exalted | GenNMX, Yes, that's what i'm talking about. |
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| 20:28.35 | GenNMX | lakai: I believe the current Testing NetInst CD uses 2.6.15 |
| 20:28.47 | GenNMX | Or, it can use it, there is a setting. |
| 20:29.00 | wireddd | exalted, why don't you just install it from a netinstall cd? |
| 20:29.16 | exalted | wireddd, but that's not the question right? :S |
| 20:29.18 | lakai | GenNMX: okidokey thanks! |
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| 20:29.34 | GenNMX | exalted: Yeah, the only reason you would do that is for Stable vs Testing or Stable vs Testing vs Unstable, etc. If you just want more kernels, you don't need another Debian distribution. |
| 20:30.28 | exalted | GenNMX, No, i just need to have to completely separate systems; and i'm curious if there's a way to have it using one system to build the other one... |
| 20:30.31 | wireddd | exalted, just install testing on a different partition |
| 20:30.34 | marmoset | are there any decent tools for looking at network traffic volumes (on an interface) besides iptraf? |
| 20:30.39 | exalted | wireddd, how? |
| 20:30.43 | GenNMX | It doesn't even need to be in a single partition. You don't have to mount EVERY partition all the time. |
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| 20:30.58 | GenNMX | exalted: Mount the NetInst ISO while in Debian. |
| 20:31.08 | pyroplasm | exalted: do you know debootstrap? |
| 20:31.16 | exalted | pyroplasm, No, i don't.. :S |
| 20:31.24 | exalted | GenNMX, And then? |
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| 20:31.36 | agilman | Im back, I got 'make menuconfig' to work, also 'make |
| 20:31.38 | agilman | and |
| 20:31.40 | agilman | a |
| 20:31.43 | agilman | oops |
| 20:31.52 | GenNMX | exalted: NetInst is smart enough not to screw up your existing Debian installation, but maybe pyroplasm has a better idea. |
| 20:32.20 | pyroplasm | .o( man rhetorical ) |
| 20:32.26 | exalted | GenNMX, hmmm, that's not cool :S talking about pyroplasm's debbotstrap idea? |
| 20:32.31 | agilman | 'make modules', 'make modules_install', but now Im trying to do 'mkinitrd...' and it doesn't work |
| 20:32.37 | GenNMX | NetInst detected another Debian installation that I forgot about on a HDD I plugged in for extra storage. |
| 20:32.51 | agilman | and I dont get any erros |
| 20:32.59 | agilman | its just doesn't build an initrd file |
| 20:32.59 | exalted | GenNMX, Oh sorry, *not* to screw up... misunderstood, hmm that's ok then... |
| 20:33.43 | exalted | pyroplasm, can you point me some debootstrap document where i can get much more info please? |
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| 20:34.17 | exalted | And GenNMX, i'm a little confused about the "netinstall iso mount" idea.. :S |
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| 20:34.37 | Sid_ | pardon me, is ftp.debian.org down? |
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| 20:35.32 | wireddd | Sid_, no |
| 20:35.34 | GenNMX | exalted: You could just burn Stable or Testing to a CD (whichever you're installing) and do it the old fashioned way. |
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| 20:35.59 | pyroplasm | exalted: http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html for instance |
| 20:36.05 | GenNMX | Sid_: ftp.debian.org redirects to a hub closer to your location. It sometimes takes it a few minutes to find out if what it is redirecting to is down. |
| 20:36.33 | exalted | pyroplasm, thank you... |
| 20:36.34 | Sid_ | wireddd: then why is it that my attempts to connect to it via my browser or apt -- oh |
| 20:36.37 | exalted | GenNMX, Thank you. |
| 20:36.49 | Sid_ | thanks, GenNMX |
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| 20:37.03 | Sid_ | so after a few minutes I should try again and see if it works? |
| 20:37.45 | GenNMX | Sid_: Yes. |
| 20:38.01 | Sid_ | thanks! |
| 20:38.04 | ttyS1 | Hello, I have multile ips using eth1, eth1:0, eth1:1... what entry should I specify on iptables for port 80 connections to the public ip mapped to eth1:1 to be forwarded the to local ip 192.168.1.10 |
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| 20:38.43 | Sid_ | ah, it's working now |
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| 20:38.46 | Sid_ | super! |
| 20:38.59 | kekeke | Tralala D= I passed the first package part in regards to getting module assistant, but now I get the same error but it's with a package called nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:39.01 | Phlexonance | 1) the settings for volume control dont keep after reboot 2) I have /etc/default/bootlogd activated but there is still no /var/log/boot |
| 20:39.04 | GenNMX | ttyS1: Google "quicktables", it's a rudementary iptables script generator and great learning tool. |
| 20:39.23 | GenNMX | That might be "qtables", my memory is fuzzy. |
| 20:39.54 | ttyS1 | GenNMX: thank you I'll check |
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| 20:40.56 | ttyS1 | GenNMX: yeap it is quicktables |
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| 20:41.45 | GenNMX | Yeah now I remember, the website was qtables.radom.org, hence why I had both names in my head. |
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| 20:43.32 | GenNMX | Anyone know of a way to fix noisy fans? |
| 20:43.43 | unstable | GenNMX: Pour milk into the bearings. |
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| 20:44.12 | unstable | GenNMX: If it's really noisy...use Capt'n Crunch Cereal(tm) |
| 20:44.19 | wireddd | is there a list of all of the window managers that are packaged for debian somewhere? |
| 20:44.27 | unstable | wireddd: probably |
| 20:44.34 | unstable | wireddd: Why are you going to install all of them? |
| 20:44.39 | jeff_hann | GenNMX:clean the fans |
| 20:44.41 | wireddd | thats the plan |
| 20:44.56 | jeff_hann | maybe it's dust accumulated ans such |
| 20:45.03 | jeff_hann | *and |
| 20:45.33 | unstable | wireddd: http://packages.debian.org/testing/virtual/x-window-manager |
| 20:45.34 | GenNMX | Yeah, all good suggestions. |
| 20:45.35 | unstable | Have fun. |
| 20:45.49 | beetlepun_ | wireddd, yes, use apt-cache search window manager |sort |
| 20:46.05 | unstable | beetlepun_: That might not show all of them. |
| 20:46.31 | jetscreamer | buy a new fan, preferably a 'silent' one |
| 20:46.37 | cshaman | How do I format a floppy? |
| 20:46.37 | unstable | beetlepun_: THat also shows mostly non-window managers, programs like gaim etc. |
| 20:46.47 | unstable | !flopppy |
| 20:46.47 | kekeke | Can someone help me with the nvidia one liner? |
| 20:46.52 | unstable | !floppy |
| 20:46.53 | dpkg | well, floppy is flop, flop, flop.. or don't copy that floppy! |
| 20:47.15 | jetscreamer | mkdosfs or something like that |
| 20:47.44 | Phlexonance | the settings for volume control dont keep after reboot |
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| 20:48.23 | cshaman | Hm. "Floppy" isn't an app that comes with Debian by default? |
| 20:48.25 | dondelelcaro | Phlexonance: they do if you use /etc/init.d/alsa-util stop |
| 20:48.55 | unstable | cshaman: put "mk" in your terminal and hit tab tab. |
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| 20:49.13 | jetscreamer | him say 'hit tab key twice' |
| 20:49.25 | Esaj | Grr, I get "Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists" |
| 20:49.33 | Esaj | when doing /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:50.32 | jetscreamer | ifdown/ifup ? |
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| 20:51.03 | tralala | cshaman: fdformat if it is a new disk then/otherwise mkdosfs |
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| 20:51.30 | jetscreamer | most floppies come preformatted don't they |
| 20:52.01 | sebs | Do i need to type anything in debian to activate the iptables service? as in red hat 'service iptables start' |
| 20:52.06 | Esaj | jetscreamer: when I do ifdown eth0, I get "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" |
| 20:52.11 | jetscreamer | but you want fat12 iirc |
| 20:52.16 | roler | I have a Core Duo system. I've noticed if I compile my kernel, it only uses 50% of my cpu. if I use make -j4 it uses 100% of both cpu's, and compiles a 2.6.16 kernel in 1minute 49seconds... versus nearly 4 minutes without -j4. My friend told me about -O4 or something... Is there compile options to compile the kernel to get the rest of the system applicatgions using the other cpu? Yes, I have SMP and all that jazz enabled |
| 20:52.18 | Esaj | jetscreamer: but it's clearly listed in "ifconfig -a" |
| 20:52.30 | jetscreamer | Esaj: beyond me |
| 20:52.55 | cshaman | tralala: so fdformat if the disk is brand new, and mkdosfs if it's been used before? |
| 20:52.56 | jetscreamer | dhcp? |
| 20:54.02 | jetscreamer | roler: give up, just send me your computer :( |
| 20:54.16 | tralala | cshaman: they both have man pages |
| 20:54.56 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 20:55.12 | jetscreamer | 2-4 minutes to compile a kernel |
| 20:55.31 | roler | heh |
| 20:55.34 | roler | sorry guys |
| 20:55.44 | roler | i thought that was normal |
| 20:55.47 | roler | what cpus are you running? |
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| 20:57.56 | roler | 8088's rock, I love the ESDI or whatever the crap they were hard drives. THey sounded like a jet |
| 20:57.58 | _abbenormal | ouch |
| 20:58.33 | _abbenormal | i couldnt image doing a kernel on a 8088 |
| 20:58.43 | cshaman | tralala: Why would I want to create an MS-DOS file system for use with my Linux box? |
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| 20:58.54 | cshaman | ...on a floppy, that is. |
| 20:58.55 | jetscreamer | use ext2 then |
| 20:59.07 | jetscreamer | but fat12 works too |
| 20:59.14 | Oryn | roler: and caused the desk to move when you accessed the disk :P |
| 20:59.41 | jetscreamer | rll controllers |
| 20:59.46 | cshaman | The formatting of the floppy by fdformat finished, but I received the error: Verifying ... Problem reading cylinder 1, expected 18432, read 10240 |
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| 21:00.10 | roler | Oryn; oh ya. :) |
| 21:00.12 | _abbenormal | i was a mfm fan myself |
| 21:00.21 | tralala | cshaman: fair question. I assumed you would use the floppy to transfer data to dos/windows machine. If you need to use it linux2linux only you can use any filesystem that you like. |
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| 21:01.06 | _abbenormal | like hot stuff with 1 meg of ram huh |
| 21:01.26 | cshaman | tralala: Must I specify some other option with fdformat? I used: fdformat /dev/fd0 |
| 21:01.35 | Oryn | _abbenormal: this sucker had 64K |
| 21:01.53 | _abbenormal | i know mine did i wanted 1 meg bad |
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| 21:02.12 | tralala | cshaman: it seems that the disk is bad. Do you *really* want to use a floppy anyway? |
| 21:02.24 | _abbenormal | remembers 300 baud modems too |
| 21:02.44 | Oryn | _abbenormal: I remember 1200/75 |
| 21:03.14 | _abbenormal | i still have a 12inch floppy drive around here |
| 21:03.22 | apecat | is the world about to end? testing (or at least my mirror) doesn't seem to have received any updates in 2 days or so :o |
| 21:03.31 | cshaman | tralala: I want to at least know how to format and mount a floppy. |
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| 21:03.38 | xface | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.39 | cshaman | Every bit of information is useful. |
| 21:03.45 | Oryn | _abbenormal: I remember 8" |
| 21:03.55 | xface | how cna i install gtk+ 2? |
| 21:04.06 | _abbenormal | lol are we old or what lol |
| 21:04.20 | Oryn | 160k single sided :) |
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| 21:04.49 | Oryn | _abbenormal: cp/m :) |
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| 21:05.13 | tralala | cshaman: well you already know how to format it. Then you need to create a filesystem mk<something>fs and then mount it. It's not a big deal. |
| 21:05.13 | _abbenormal | ok heres info for floppy http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/floppy.8.html |
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| 21:06.14 | Oryn | _abbenormal: I just got a new toy, I'm thinking about linuxifying it (fugitsu tablet pc) |
| 21:06.31 | _abbenormal | oh nice |
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| 21:06.35 | dmesg | hi |
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| 21:06.48 | Oryn | dunno how well linux works with a tablet |
| 21:06.50 | dmesg | is posible to install horde from apt? |
| 21:07.25 | _abbenormal | hum |
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| 21:07.29 | Oryn | dmesg: last time I looked it was, kinda needed a few tweeks here and there to make it work though |
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| 21:07.33 | cshaman | tralala: Does a filesystem take up space on disk? |
| 21:07.44 | dmesg | Oryn ah ok |
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| 21:08.40 | Oryn | dmesg: you might be better off grabbing the tgz's from horde.org and following the howto though |
| 21:08.40 | aarkerio | what 7 means on: |
| 21:08.42 | aarkerio | drwxr-xr-x 7 www-data www-data 4096 2006-05-03 13:24 site |
| 21:08.42 | wireddd | cshaman, yes |
| 21:09.01 | aarkerio | i typed: ls -l |
| 21:09.09 | guess2 | how do you attach 'Tool Options' tab? i accidentally detached it |
| 21:09.12 | dmesg | Oryn ok :) |
| 21:09.33 | Oryn | dmesg: you'll learn more that way |
| 21:09.45 | dmesg | ok |
| 21:09.58 | offle | hi! here's a newbie. can somebody give me the name of a good working (and easy to configure) ftp-server? |
| 21:10.16 | cshaman | Hmm. Is verification of a disk important? I keep getting error messages. |
| 21:10.19 | Oryn | offle: proftpd (apt-get install proftpd) |
| 21:10.36 | cshaman | tralala mentioned the floppy disk may be bad, but I switched disks and get a similar error. |
| 21:10.38 | offle | ok, thank you |
| 21:10.40 | Oryn | cshaman: yeah, it means your disk is borked |
| 21:11.22 | Oryn | offle: it works out of the box, but its worth a read of the manpage (man proftpd) |
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| 21:11.51 | Oryn | cshaman: same place? |
| 21:11.57 | offle | ok, i try it. thank you |
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| 21:12.44 | cshaman | Oryn: ...expected 18432, read 14336. the `expected' value stays the same, but the `read' value changes |
| 21:12.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:12.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:13.11 | cshaman | Must a disk be mounted before it can be formatted? |
| 21:13.28 | cshaman | I haven't mounted the disk, simply used fdformat. |
| 21:13.55 | Oryn | cshaman: I did once have a problem with the linux floppy controler code. It seems that the person who ported the code from 2.4.x to 2.6.x didn't have a floppy drive to test it. But that was a long time ago |
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| 21:14.50 | Oryn | cshaman: I dont actualy have any hardware with floppy drives now anyway, I use external usb ones if needed |
| 21:15.18 | jengelh | you usually don't need fdformat |
| 21:15.39 | Oryn | you can tar stuff directly to a disk |
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| 21:16.49 | Oryn | tar jcvf /dev/fd0 [list of files or directorys] |
| 21:16.57 | guess2 | how do you attach 'Tool Options' tab? i accidentally detached it |
| 21:17.07 | cshaman | Oryn: Without a file system? |
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| 21:17.17 | Oryn | cshaman: yup |
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| 21:17.33 | Mr_Igor | Newbie here. I have Win98 on primary and debian base install on secondary. When installing grub didn't see win98. How do I configure grub to see the windows drive? |
| 21:17.36 | Oryn | cshaman: in effect tar is the filesystem |
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| 21:17.50 | jengelh | tar is not a filesystem. |
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| 21:18.03 | jengelh | or rather, a badly organized one for that matter :p |
| 21:18.08 | Oryn | jengelh: I said efectively it is |
| 21:18.27 | Oryn | jengelh: you can mount it :P with tarfs :) |
| 21:18.28 | _abbenormal | Mr_Igor, look in the /boot/grub there is a layout there that shows how to set it up |
| 21:18.35 | jengelh | Oryn : url? |
| 21:19.06 | Oryn | jengelh: urm hold on I'll google for it (was on slashdot a long time ago) |
| 21:19.07 | jengelh | nm |
| 21:19.15 | jengelh | a perl script? |
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| 21:19.51 | St_Iron | hi |
| 21:19.51 | ttick | any word on when the xdm problem will be fixed in etch? |
| 21:20.18 | Oryn | jengelh: dunno where you get it, but here's its manpage :P http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/man/4/tarfs.html |
| 21:20.32 | _abbenormal | Mr_Igor, look at menu.lst its in there |
| 21:20.34 | eXiSt | hi , anyone can help me about ip route and multiple internet connections? |
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| 21:20.44 | Oryn | ttick: I found wdm was a suitable replacement :P |
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| 21:21.02 | ChrisW | Hi, I have an NTFS-formatted USB drive |
| 21:21.08 | ChrisW | how can I reformat it as somethign sensible? |
| 21:21.09 | Mr_Igor | Kk |
| 21:21.18 | Oryn | ChrisW: oh dear :P |
| 21:21.26 | ChrisW | aye |
| 21:21.27 | EvilDin | why does keyboard stop working when it come to graphical mode, before that works! |
| 21:21.45 | Oryn | ChrisW: what does cfdisk think of it? |
| 21:22.04 | Oryn | ChrisW: is it partitioned or raw? |
| 21:22.29 | ttick | Oryn: thanks. I'm using startx for now. |
| 21:22.48 | ChrisW | it's a fully live, working USB drive from Iomega that I've been usign for ages |
| 21:22.52 | ChrisW | I use it for backups |
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| 21:23.05 | EvilDin | anyone know why my PS2 keyboard doesn't work? |
| 21:23.12 | ChrisW | but resyncing some files from unxi boxes doesn't work 'cos they have commas and the like intheir names |
| 21:23.15 | Oryn | there seems to be no set way with flash drives I have 3 here one is /dev/sda one is /dev/sda4 and the last one is /dev/sda1 |
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| 21:23.47 | Oryn | ChrisW: well fat32 is best if you want to use with winblows |
| 21:23.48 | ChrisW | cfdisk says: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk |
| 21:24.03 | Oryn | ChrisW: so its raw then |
| 21:24.12 | ChrisW | dunno what that means |
| 21:24.35 | ChrisW | I can paste my /etc/mtab in a pastebin if that'd help... |
| 21:24.41 | Oryn | ChrisW: no partitions the whole device is used |
| 21:24.45 | kreg_dcdi | >: O wellsfargo is no longer supprting firefox?????!!! |
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| 21:24.56 | GenNMX | Hey, I'm using debian testing and I just recently got a weird problem with Xorg. My Matrox G4 Dualhead was working fine until I installed a new HDD. Now it gives garbled video on both monitors and ALT+F1-F6,F8-F12 gives "Out of Range" messages on both monitors. Any ideas? I'm going to treat it as a hardware problem for right now, disconnecting all IDE devices except hda. I tried reseating the video card. |
| 21:25.17 | Oryn | ChrisW: ext2 is prob your best bet if you want to use unix security and permissions |
| 21:25.22 | ChrisW | Oryn: relevant line from /etc/mtab appears to be: "/dev/sdg1 /mnt/backup vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,noatime 0 0" |
| 21:25.28 | ChrisW | why not ext3? |
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| 21:25.59 | ChrisW | ...and I mainly want to support all unix filenames ;-) |
| 21:26.05 | Oryn | ChrisW: because you dont want to waste 30 meg with the journal |
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| 21:26.06 | kekeke | I got nvidia one-liner to install correctly finally but when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, i can never get my monitor to display correctly. The log says no screens found. Any ideas? I've tried the medium and advance options dpkg-reconfigure gives you as well, also tried specifying the agp with pci:0:01:0 which is what lspci showed me. Any ideas? |
| 21:26.12 | kekeke | I have a widescreen LCD monitor (Dell 2005FPW) |
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| 21:26.48 | Oryn | ChrisW: use ext2 then its the fastest of all the filesystems too |
| 21:27.12 | GenNMX | kekeke: Try X -scanpci |
| 21:27.12 | Oryn | ChrisW: just don't forget to unmount it |
| 21:27.13 | ChrisW | ;-), even |
| 21:27.31 | Oryn | ChrisW: didn't you say it was flash? |
| 21:27.40 | ChrisW | no, i said USB |
| 21:27.48 | Oryn | oh :) |
| 21:27.49 | ChrisW | and this is for backups, I want to be able t oyank this out the machine if my house is on fire and still get the data off... |
| 21:27.59 | GenNMX | kekeke: /etc/X11/bin/X -scanpci if you don't have the correct paths |
| 21:28.10 | Oryn | then go for ext3 or reiserfs v3 |
| 21:28.15 | ChrisW | ext3 sounds fine |
| 21:28.22 | ChrisW | okay, so how'd I reformat it? |
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| 21:29.09 | _abbenormal | try this but use your device mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 this formats the drive |
| 21:29.11 | Oryn | you sure you wana do this (ALL data WILL be lost) |
| 21:29.30 | ChrisW | yep, got 2 indentical disks, and I already copied the whole contents onto the local hard disk... |
| 21:29.33 | Oryn | _abbenormal: you evil person |
| 21:29.40 | _abbenormal | lol |
| 21:29.50 | ChrisW | Oryn: why? what does that do? |
| 21:31.05 | kekeke | GenNMX :Thanks I'll try that. |
| 21:31.05 | Oryn | ChrisW: that command will format your primary slave IDE drive |
| 21:31.05 | jengelh | format=make the bits on the floppy mkfs=put a filesystem on it |
| 21:31.05 | _abbenormal | it should format the dev you use to ext3 |
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| 21:31.06 | ChrisW | lucky I don't have a primary slave ide drive |
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| 21:31.07 | jengelh | since... who knows, formatting is not done by the user |
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| 21:31.07 | GenNMX | Oryn: That's why he said "but use your device" |
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| 21:31.09 | ChrisW | and I guess I'd use /dev/sdg1,right? |
| 21:31.24 | Oryn | GenNMX: yes but some newbies like to type parrot fashion (cut / paste) |
| 21:31.37 | _abbenormal | if it is the drive or device you are wanting to format |
| 21:31.51 | Oryn | ChrisW: yes, but I'd be slightly worried about what cfdisk is annoyed |
| 21:31.58 | ChrisW | why? |
| 21:31.58 | _abbenormal | your right oryn |
| 21:32.06 | _abbenormal | and i do know better |
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| 21:32.29 | Oryn | _abbenormal: (lol) >:) |
| 21:32.42 | Oryn | brb |
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| 21:33.31 | roler | is enabling write cache with hdparm a bad idea? |
| 21:33.37 | GenNMX | This video issue pisses me off. Just when I got everything else working right, my video card dies? It can't be! |
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| 21:33.49 | Oryn | roler: only if you have a power cut |
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| 21:34.16 | roler | oryn; hmm... and I have a laptop ... so it may not be so bad then since i'm always plugged in. thanks |
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| 21:34.50 | Oryn | roler: try it and see if it speeds thinks up |
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| 21:35.18 | chealer9 | !tell kekeke about no screens found |
| 21:35.28 | GenNMX | By the way, Linux is smart enough to use swap spaces on HDDs on different IDE channels, right? |
| 21:35.32 | ChrisW | okay, so should I worry about the cfdisk output or should I just go ahead and format it? |
| 21:35.57 | Oryn | GenNMX: oh yes its a way to squeeze more speed out of your system :) |
| 21:36.31 | Oryn | ChrisW: I'd try to write a good partition first |
| 21:36.39 | Oryn | (table) |
| 21:36.43 | roler | thanks |
| 21:36.43 | GenNMX | Oryn: Yeah, thought so. I've been doing it, but I forgot where I first heard about it ;) |
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| 21:37.12 | GenNMX | FHARGH! Even X -probeonly puts my video card into a garbled mode! PHAAAAARGGGH! |
| 21:37.40 | Oryn | GenNMX: just mkswap /dev/[other ide disk][partition number] then add it in fstab |
| 21:37.46 | kekeke | Just to make sure. When I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. The first option, I SHOULD be picking NV correct? |
| 21:37.52 | kekeke | (nvidia 6600GT card is what I have) |
| 21:38.04 | ChrisW | Oryn: how'd I do that? |
| 21:38.09 | Oryn | GenNMX: what card and what version of X? |
| 21:38.15 | GenNMX | Oryn: Right, that's what I've been doing. I add 256MB - 512MB here or there. |
| 21:38.36 | GenNMX | kekeke: Probably, what was your default configuration? |
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| 21:38.51 | kekeke | No idea. x has never worked since i Installed |
| 21:38.58 | chealer9 | kekeke: if you want to use NVIDIA's proprietary 3D graphics drivers, no, you should select nvidia |
| 21:38.59 | kekeke | I was told to use nvidia one-liner to install the nvidia drivers |
| 21:39.08 | kekeke | I don't think NVidia is an option in that list |
| 21:39.17 | kekeke | ATI is there, but closest to nvidia is NV |
| 21:39.25 | chealer9 | kekeke: then something went wrong in a previous step |
| 21:39.36 | kekeke | so should I be doing the one liner again or something? |
| 21:39.57 | GenNMX | Oryn: Matrox G4 Dualhead with Debian Testing, and I just remembered I had a problem with MGA Drivers and Xorg before. I need to go to a work call right now, but I think my problem may be solved by rolling back Xorg. |
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| 21:40.10 | GenNMX | Still, I could have sworn Xorg worked before I started adding HDDs to the system. |
| 21:40.17 | chealer9 | kekeke: I told you, the one-liner is usually worthless if you're new. follow the guide |
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| 21:40.44 | kekeke | chealer9: can you give me that wiki url again then please? |
| 21:40.51 | chealer9 | !tell kekeke about ngd |
| 21:40.56 | ChrisW | Oryn: did you see my question? |
| 21:41.09 | kekeke | chealer9: Thanks |
| 21:41.15 | Oryn | ChrisW: sorry, go again |
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| 21:41.33 | xface | is there a way to increase fonts in gaim? |
| 21:42.08 | Oryn | ChrisW: you could use dd to wipe out the corrupt table |
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| 21:42.20 | logan | hi |
| 21:42.23 | Oryn | then use cfdisk to make a new one |
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| 21:43.01 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:43.03 | xface | is there a way to increase fonts in gaim? |
| 21:43.04 | logan | has anyone ever had strange artifacts and gibberish looking games after installing nvidia-glx? i've seen that when mesa was upgrade, so i just reinstalled nvidia drivers, but everything looks right this time |
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| 21:43.18 | ChrisW | Oryn: how'd I do that? |
| 21:43.30 | xface | is there a way to increase fonts in gaim? |
| 21:43.52 | logan | make them larger or increase the number of available fonts? |
| 21:44.04 | streuner | xface: ~/.gtkrc? |
| 21:44.10 | xface | well sure buit i dotn see an option! |
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| 21:44.18 | adrakoa | hi |
| 21:44.25 | xface | isnt here a gui option? |
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| 21:44.52 | Oryn | ChrisW: dd if=/dev/zero if=/dev/sdg bs=512 count=20 (assuming your drive is /dev/sdg) then run cfdisk and make a new linux partition |
| 21:44.52 | streuner | #.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 21:44.54 | streuner | gtk-font-name = "Verdana 10" |
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| 21:45.10 | Oryn | ChrisW: chdisk /dev/sdg |
| 21:45.15 | xface | stray_, where do i givw those? |
| 21:45.39 | xface | bash: .gtkrc-2.0: command not found |
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| 21:45.58 | Oryn | ChrisW: did you run cfdisk /dev/sdg1 ???? |
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| 21:46.23 | streuner | -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 266 2006-04-28 13:49 .gtkrc |
| 21:46.35 | cshaman | Does an ext2 file-system come with a lost+found directory by default? |
| 21:46.36 | streuner | !paste |
| 21:46.37 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:46.37 | ChrisW | Oryn: yeah, d'oh, we both noticed that at the same time |
| 21:46.53 | cshaman | I formatted my floppy disk, then used mkfs and there's a lost+found directory on it. |
| 21:47.00 | ChrisW | running it /dev/sdg gives em a prtition table, suprisingly ;-) |
| 21:47.02 | Seb | what would be a good channel for a tcpdump filter question ? I need a filter that will only show http packets, I don't know if tcpdump supports this directly, or if I should define one with the HTTP protocol id myself ? |
| 21:47.11 | Oryn | ChrisW: lol |
| 21:47.18 | xface | streuner, i dont have such filee |
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| 21:47.38 | ChrisW | sdg1 - Boot - Primary - W95 FAT32 |
| 21:47.41 | ChrisW | bleugh... |
| 21:47.47 | streuner | xface: then create it? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2482 |
| 21:47.56 | ChrisW | so what do I do to turn that into a etx3 partition? |
| 21:48.18 | Oryn | ChrisW: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdg1 |
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| 21:48.47 | ChrisW | Oryn: what about using ckdisk's Type button? |
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| 21:49.32 | streuner | xface: touch /home/xuser/.gtkrc |
| 21:49.53 | xface | that would crete an empty file |
| 21:49.56 | Oryn | ChrisW: linux will do 82 I think |
| 21:50.04 | streuner | xface: sure :-) |
| 21:50.06 | Oryn | its the default it makes |
| 21:50.18 | streuner | xface: use nano or another editor |
| 21:50.28 | xface | yes i apsted the link |
| 21:50.29 | xface | thank you! |
| 21:50.36 | xface | also do i need to reren gaim? |
| 21:50.54 | streuner | just logout of x |
| 21:50.55 | xface | rerun |
| 21:51.05 | streuner | and start x new |
| 21:51.09 | ChrisW | Oryn: bah, using mkfs.ext3 |
| 21:51.15 | beetlepun_ | Seb, I know etherreal does |
| 21:51.16 | xface | not only gaim? |
| 21:51.21 | streuner | no |
| 21:51.31 | Oryn | beetlepun_: ethereal rocks :) |
| 21:51.36 | Seb | beetlepun_: yeah, I know ethereal does too, but I ain't sure about tcpdump :\ |
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| 21:51.42 | Seb | Oryn: not exactly, no |
| 21:51.43 | ttyS1 | how can I use virtual interfaces ( eth0:1 ) with iptables ? |
| 21:51.51 | mrec_ | has anyone ever seen http://membres.lycos.fr/gouchi2k1/temp/kaffeine.png? disabled channels.. |
| 21:51.52 | C`Alexa | How i can install Verlihub? |
| 21:51.59 | Seb | Oryn: its security track is alsmot as bad as wu-ftpd |
| 21:52.01 | Oryn | Seb: why? |
| 21:52.17 | streuner | !nickometer C`Alexa |
| 21:52.19 | dpkg | 'C`Alexa' is 19.000% lame, streuner |
| 21:52.23 | C`Alexa | ?? |
| 21:52.25 | Seb | Oryn: i mean, it's a helpful app and all, just substandard security practices |
| 21:52.33 | ChrisW | cool, thanks all |
| 21:52.33 | C`Alexa | ?? |
| 21:52.34 | Oryn | Seb: I use it for fault diagnosis (I dont run it all the time) |
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| 21:52.55 | Oryn | Seb: try ntop if you want to do the big brother thing |
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| 21:53.18 | streuner | C`Alexa: well you have a certain char in your nick which is hard to type... |
| 21:53.30 | jplibre | am I right in assuming that 'mcelog' is only relevant to 64-bit systems? |
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| 21:53.42 | Oryn | streuner: the tab key is usefull for that :) |
| 21:53.53 | Seb | Oryn: i don't, i just need an http decoder from a pcap capture |
| 21:54.01 | Alexutza | ??? |
| 21:54.07 | Alexutza | how i can install server hub? |
| 21:54.12 | Alexutza | dc++ |
| 21:54.13 | Seb | Oryn: i was just pointing at how ethereal is a dangerous app to run directly on a network interface |
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| 21:54.29 | streuner | Oryn: try to use nickcompletition with only C? |
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| 21:55.31 | Oryn | streuner: (oh yeah it doesn't work with strange char) :( |
| 21:55.32 | streuner | i think we have about 100 people here who use 'c' at the beginning of there nicks :-) |
| 21:55.33 | jplibre | how can one watch for ECC errors and the like on non 64-bit systems? |
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| 21:55.53 | Alexutza | pfff |
| 21:56.03 | frank_farmer | Can anyone recomend an easy to use RRDTool frontend? I found Cacti to be very complex. |
| 21:56.10 | Seb | Oryn: it does, it's just that he changed his nick now. What streuner pointed is that there are lots of nicks starting by C :) |
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| 21:56.37 | omry | hi, after the last dist-upgrade, gnome no longer starts and my x server crashes some times with kde (using nvidia commecial driver). anyone encountered it? |
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| 21:56.59 | Oryn | Seb: maybe because I have a uk keyboard I have unshifted direct access to ` and ' |
| 21:57.09 | streuner | C`Alexa: anyway, did you try to search for that app in debian yet? (/msg dpkg search) |
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| 21:57.23 | streuner | oh, gone. |
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| 21:57.35 | Alexutza | :( |
| 21:57.48 | Oryn | its so nice to have packages.debian.org back online again :) |
| 21:57.58 | streuner | Alexutza: ^^^^ |
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| 21:58.08 | Alexutza | ?? |
| 21:58.12 | Alexutza | what so funny ? |
| 21:58.14 | Alexutza | u drink? |
| 21:58.23 | streuner | <C`Alexa> How i can install Verlihub? |
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| 21:58.43 | Seb | Oryn: i do have a us kb too. But those chars are still less convenient to reach heh |
| 21:58.46 | Alexutza | i need dcc server for debian |
| 21:58.49 | Alexutza | for my network |
| 21:58.49 | Seb | Oryn: yeah call me lazy |
| 21:59.02 | JW | I used to use apt-cache show to see descriptive meta information about a packge - "what it does", like rpm -qi - only recently I have set up some new systems and "show" returns nothing. Is there another way to see that information? |
| 21:59.02 | Seb | Alexutza: *search for it* as you were told to |
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| 21:59.14 | Seb | JW: showpkg ? |
| 21:59.20 | xface | stew, it ditn work man |
| 21:59.22 | Seb | JW: maybe show-pkg |
| 21:59.25 | xface | i even made 14 size |
| 21:59.30 | xface | stiull same tiny size |
| 21:59.33 | Seb | JW: in any case, man apt-cache will know |
| 21:59.39 | Alexutza | :( |
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| 22:00.01 | streuner | xface: is gaim gtk1 or gtk2 based? |
| 22:00.01 | JW | Seb, well, showpgk shows like dependancies and version information. I'm looking for the "short description" "Package foo allows you to server files to foo clients . . ." kind of thing |
| 22:00.12 | xface | gtk2 |
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| 22:00.16 | xface | i use gaim 2 beta |
| 22:00.19 | streuner | ok |
| 22:00.26 | Seb | JW: show works for me |
| 22:00.27 | splattnik | is there a way to paste with the keyboard in the same way as your able with the middlebutton on the mouse? |
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| 22:00.38 | azeem | splattnik: in screen, you can |
| 22:00.42 | streuner | xface: what user start x? |
| 22:00.43 | azeem | s/in/with/, maybe |
| 22:00.46 | xface | root |
| 22:01.05 | JW | Seb: maybe the package I"m looking at have no information. What package did you try? |
| 22:01.06 | Seb | azeem: his question is interesting though. Can I bind a key on my kb to act like the middle-mouse button ? |
| 22:01.08 | streuner | xface: no, start x as 'user' |
| 22:01.18 | azeem | I don't know |
| 22:01.21 | Seb | JW: any one really. Say, gmailfs. |
| 22:01.26 | xface | why? |
| 22:01.29 | Alexutza | dcgui ? |
| 22:01.30 | azeem | I think powerpc/apple users need to do something like that, though |
| 22:01.48 | streuner | xface: and put .gtkrc in /home/<your_user_who_start_x> |
| 22:01.55 | JW | Seb: yep that's the problem. THe packages I was looking at just don't have any information in the cache. Well thanks anyway. |
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| 22:02.01 | Seb | JW: ok |
| 22:02.08 | Seb | JW: np |
| 22:02.15 | streuner | xface: make sure the file (.gtkrc) has the right permissions |
| 22:02.17 | xface | i did those things but as root |
| 22:02.19 | fourat | i have installed dovecot with apt and it seems to be an erronous package, somehow, i'm using dovecot after the install, but apt-get still saying that there's a problem with the package, i cant use apt-get to install anything |
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| 22:02.41 | NN | hi |
| 22:02.44 | xface | chmod +x .gtkrc ? |
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| 22:02.56 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am a novice, i am trying to create a local redirect. Alias /amd64 /disk1/newmirror/ in debmirror.conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d . i get the error [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index forbidden by rule: /disk1/newmirror/ . i am not sure what to change to get the directory listing. i have created a local debian mirror. so it is important to see the contents of the directories |
| 22:03.40 | streuner | xface: -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 266 2006-04-28 13:49 .gtkrc, which user is the 'user' of my system who start X |
| 22:03.49 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:04.21 | Alexutza | i need hub dc++ server :(( |
| 22:04.42 | NN | same here, how do you show a directory in a wbpage with apache with out creating links |
| 22:04.54 | Alexutza | apt-get install dcgui-qt |
| 22:04.56 | Alexutza | ? |
| 22:05.01 | NN | to evry file! |
| 22:05.06 | Seb | smagy2: try #apache man |
| 22:05.08 | streuner | !info dcc-server |
| 22:05.13 | dpkg | dcc-server: (Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse - server programs), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.2.74-2 (sid), Packaged size: 181 kB, Installed size: 472 kB |
| 22:05.32 | NN | ** in the source of the web page |
| 22:05.34 | Seb | smagy2: but directory listing is something really easy to enable in apache, look for Indexes |
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| 22:06.09 | streuner | Alexuta: oh |
| 22:06.10 | fourat | i have installed dovecot with apt and it seems to be an erronous package, somehow, i'm using dovecot after the install, but apt-get still saying that there's a problem with the package, i cant use apt-get to install anything |
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| 22:06.25 | streuner | Alexutza: oh |
| 22:06.35 | NN | ok?? i thought it was incoded in html?? |
| 22:06.39 | smagy2 | Seb: i figured. but the apache channel seems to be dead. so came to the good old #deb :D |
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| 22:07.14 | xface | stew, nothing |
| 22:07.17 | Seb | smagy2: apache is less noisy than debian, but there's a lot of knowledge over there, be patient... |
| 22:07.30 | Alexutza | rm -rf * |
| 22:07.31 | Alexutza | bye |
| 22:07.34 | Alexutza | fuck linux |
| 22:07.34 | Alexutza | ;)) |
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| 22:07.54 | xface | cant make gaim work |
| 22:08.06 | DaBlade | xface: Try compiling it |
| 22:08.11 | xface | man gaim is ok |
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| 22:08.23 | xface | tis the fonts i cnat change |
| 22:08.23 | DaBlade | xface: but? |
| 22:08.35 | DaBlade | xface: Do you have yahoo? |
| 22:08.39 | NN | that is weard ,, why use it ?? you can use a privit chanel on an irc |
| 22:08.40 | DaBlade | if so, add 'seanegn' |
| 22:08.45 | DaBlade | He's Gaim's main dev |
| 22:08.45 | xface | no |
| 22:08.51 | xface | msn kai gmail |
| 22:08.51 | DaBlade | Alright, too bad. |
| 22:09.02 | [1]eric_hill | Can someone help a newbie out? I'm installing a KDC and getting an "illegal configuration parameter" when trying to do a local kadmin. |
| 22:09.14 | xface | why sitn there fotn option damn it? |
| 22:09.29 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: try #kde or #debian-kde |
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| 22:09.53 | xface | why isnt there gaims fonts options damn it? |
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| 22:10.00 | [1]eric_hill | KDC = Kerberos Distribution Center, not KDE... |
| 22:10.58 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: haha my bad |
| 22:10.58 | [1]eric_hill | The MIT Kerberos install guide mentions kadmin.local, but that has been merged into kadmin, which needs a "-d" parameter, but doesn't say squat about the parameter contents... |
| 22:11.42 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: -h doesn't say either ? |
| 22:11.45 | [1]eric_hill | Just: -d _dbname_ "Specifies the name of the Kerberos database". Seems simple enough, but nothing I've tried so far works... |
| 22:11.53 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: i see |
| 22:11.59 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: can't find examples on the web ? |
| 22:12.00 | streuner | xface: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q18 |
| 22:12.26 | [1]eric_hill | I keep finding examples for "kadmin.local", but nothing specific to "kadmin -d" when googling, nor on MIT's site. |
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| 22:12.50 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: that seems a specific enough problem to warrant posting on the corresponding mailing list then... |
| 22:12.52 | [1]eric_hill | I'm sure it's an RTFM thing - I just can't seem to find the right FM... |
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| 22:13.36 | [1]eric_hill | As I understand it, the kadmin.local tool was merged into the main kadmin tool in the Debian package only. The main distribution still has two utils. That's why I'm here :D |
| 22:13.56 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: i see. Does this help: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/Manpages/man8/kadmin.8.html |
| 22:14.24 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: apparently the dbname is the same as for the dbname.kadm5 file |
| 22:14.46 | stoned | hi, I am trying to do homework and this damn website I am supposed to get my info from is not working for me, I am just wondering if its just me or not, so I can tell my professor whats up. Can anyone tell me if http://www.prenhall.com/krogh/ is working for you? |
| 22:15.07 | stoned | I tried to go through proxify to find out |
| 22:15.12 | stoned | but it won't load there either |
| 22:15.19 | fourat | how to install ripmime in debian ? i cant find the package |
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| 22:15.54 | Seb | stoned: it's empty. And you shouldn't do homework when stoned, it rarely helps. |
| 22:15.56 | stoned | 14 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13011ms <-- tried to ping it and this is what I got |
| 22:16.03 | [1]eric_hill | Seb: More examples there... If it's the same as the dbname.kadm5 file, then it's just "principal", and that gives the same error. Hrm... |
| 22:16.05 | stoned | damn, so I can't do my homework |
| 22:16.06 | stoned | brb |
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| 22:17.34 | [1]eric_hill | Crap. Gotta run. Thanks Seb. TTYL. |
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| 22:18.40 | chaosx | exit |
| 22:18.43 | chaosx | oops :> |
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| 22:20.00 | chaosx | is it possible to set a user up so that every file he makes is part of X group? |
| 22:20.08 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: k |
| 22:20.30 | Seb | [1]eric_hill: no pb, tried what i can, i dunno much about kerberos. I mean, I use it, but I never setup a KDC. |
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| 22:21.21 | chaosx | better question, is it possible to define a users default group? |
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| 22:24.36 | grendal_prime | nile, ok np on the jabber anymore...cept now i want to run jabber-muc |
| 22:24.37 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:24.47 | blondie | wiggle. |
| 22:25.41 | Seb | chaosx: well the first group he belongs to, that's what files created by hoim will have for a group |
| 22:25.51 | Seb | s/hoim/him/ |
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| 22:26.56 | chealer9 | dpkg: opendocument is ISO standard 26300, an open document format for office applications, defining .odt (Text), .ods (Spreadsheet), .odp (Presentation) and others. Supported by OpenOffice.org >= 2, koffice >= 1.5 and others |
| 22:26.57 | dpkg | okay, chealer9 |
| 22:27.10 | spanglesontoast | anyone know of the compile issue with irssi not linking to the perl lib? |
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| 22:30.24 | chaosx | Seb: I understand that, but what I'm trying to do is set one of my users up so that when he creates a new file in /home/him the user and group is not always him:him. I'd like to configure it so that it creates the file as him:<anything_but_him> |
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| 22:31.40 | chaosx | It's been a long time since i've done anything in linux but I thought it was possible to do that if I midified the defualt group for that user. but I have no idea how to do that :/ |
| 22:31.52 | agutierr | Hello all: Someone knows alternatives to nscd (name service cache daemon)? Thanks. |
| 22:31.52 | chaosx | s/midified/modified |
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| 22:33.00 | jockl | agutierr you might wanna read this: www.debian-administration.org/articles/390 |
| 22:33.18 | agutierr | jockl, thanks. |
| 22:34.06 | agutierr | Umm |
| 22:34.12 | agutierr | I also need user/groups cache |
| 22:34.18 | agutierr | not only dns |
| 22:34.35 | Oddmonger | good night |
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| 22:35.23 | spanglesontoast | anyone? |
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| 22:39.53 | Seb | chaosx: you didn't understand my answer; when a user creates a file, the group this file is in is the user's primary group. |
| 22:40.06 | Seb | chaosx: simple as that |
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| 22:40.31 | Seb | chaosx: if don't want the group to be 'him' for his files, put him in a different primary group. No other way around. |
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| 22:40.47 | Socrates|Iraq | hey, anybody around? |
| 22:41.29 | nsillik | yes, i'm here as well |
| 22:41.31 | nsillik | what's up? |
| 22:41.31 | Seb | chaosx: the primary group is defined in /etc/passwd |
| 22:41.41 | beetlepun_ | anyone knows if there's something i can do to turn off a trackpad util while in X ? |
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| 22:41.43 | Seb | chaosx: man passwd for more |
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| 22:42.21 | Eat_Midget_Stew | how do i mount a dvd player in debian terminal? |
| 22:42.32 | k31th | guys, i have a raid1 disk dropped off here, some one knocked the sata connector off the disk... rebooted and md1 is down a disk |
| 22:42.41 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, same as a cd |
| 22:42.50 | k31th | wats the command to add sdc1 bk to md1 ? |
| 22:42.58 | Eat_Midget_Stew | i dont know how to do a cd either |
| 22:43.05 | k31th | mdadm some thing ? |
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| 22:43.16 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, man mount (iso9660) |
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| 22:43.36 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, mount -t iso9660 etc, etc.. |
| 22:43.37 | nsillik | mount /dev/cdrom .... man mount would probably be your best bet |
| 22:43.37 | Janos | hey there, anyone using debian on sparc with the md raid driver ? |
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| 22:43.55 | Socrates|Iraq | I have a question about Debian net install |
| 22:44.01 | Socrates|Iraq | can I install in parts? |
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| 22:44.07 | halibut | Is there any program that will play dvds and allow me to click on the dvd menus? xine does'nt seem to do this |
| 22:44.08 | j4cbo | how can i get a list of all the sockets that iptables is NATing? |
| 22:44.34 | Socrates|Iraq | like let's say my connection is slow and it'll take forever, can I download it and stop it and come back again the next day and resume? |
| 22:44.37 | Eat_Midget_Stew | beetlepun, is it going to bring up any optitions |
| 22:45.17 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, I have no idea what your dvd is, you can try finding out what device file it is first |
| 22:45.30 | nsillik | j4cbo: iptables -t nat -n -L. ...... probably will help |
| 22:45.39 | chaosx | Seb: thank you |
| 22:46.11 | Eat_Midget_Stew | so where do i find out the device |
| 22:46.31 | j4cbo | not the configuration |
| 22:46.37 | j4cbo | the actual open tcp sessions |
| 22:46.50 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, dmesg|grep -ei "dvd|cd" |
| 22:47.11 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, /|/||/ (use || instead) |
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| 22:48.05 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, actually i was on another system-- srry about that.. |
| 22:48.13 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, dmesg |
| 22:48.18 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, then grep it.. |
| 22:48.58 | Eat_Midget_Stew | ok i got dmesg up howdo i grep |
| 22:49.17 | nsillik | j4cbo: maybe something in netstat? |
| 22:50.01 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, pass it to a pipe-> '|', eg: echo -e "1\n2"|grep "1" returns 1 |
| 22:50.26 | Socrates|Iraq | like let's say my connection is slow and it'll take forever, can I download it and stop it and come back again the next day and resume? |
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| 22:50.56 | Eat_Midget_Stew | is that verical line a capital I |
| 22:50.58 | Eat_Midget_Stew | nope |
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| 22:51.27 | Eat_Midget_Stew | forget it im a dunce its gonna take forever and i dont want to piss ya off |
| 22:51.51 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, you can select a download only option if that's what you mean.. perhaps you should try to use ->$net-select `cat space-separated lookup mirrorlist` |
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| 22:52.30 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, lspci may show something up about a controller for the dvd drive |
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| 22:53.16 | Eat_Midget_Stew | nope didnt show nothing |
| 22:53.16 | Kournikoza | hello, how can i get this mode: rwsr-sr-x with chmod ? |
| 22:53.41 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, well I mean, I need to boot back into windows in the mean time so will it be possible to install very little at first but get a bootloader working and come back and resume later? |
| 22:53.49 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, I'm assuming you're figuring this out for yourself, i have no idea what type dvd you have.. |
| 22:54.20 | Eat_Midget_Stew | its a pioneer |
| 22:54.33 | Kournikoza | i get rwsr-Sr-x instead of rwsr-sr-x |
| 22:54.48 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, you can try the minimal install, then etc.. what are you downloading? |
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| 22:55.20 | beetlepun_ | Kournikoza, from what command? |
| 22:55.46 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, y, but ide, scsi, usb? |
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| 22:56.17 | Eat_Midget_Stew | scsi |
| 22:56.25 | fourat | hello all |
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| 22:57.06 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I'm haven't downloaded anything yet |
| 22:57.06 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, well you need the scsi controller showing up somewhere, make use of scsi-tools |
| 22:57.09 | Socrates|Iraq | I want to download a testing CD |
| 22:57.11 | Socrates|Iraq | but a netinstall one |
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| 22:57.26 | Eat_Midget_Stew | ok |
| 22:58.50 | beetlepun_ | Eat_Midget_Stew, actually you probably don't really need it for now (scsitools package)-- try seeing if at least scsi controller shows up in mesg or lspci |
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| 22:59.51 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, actually testing refers to a testing-branch-- you better get stable-- I know, but use proper terminology 'cuse people will get confused.. |
| 23:00.29 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, back home I used sid |
| 23:00.58 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, and I've tried numerous liveCDs on this dumb laptop and they don't like the hardware, so I want to use sid to have that extra chance that maybe they'll recognize it |
| 23:00.59 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, ok, thought you are still new to this? if you've done this before why do you seem so confused? |
| 23:01.12 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I didn't do a netinstall before |
| 23:01.39 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, I know most LiveCd's suck, there are only about a few that are well maintained.. |
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| 23:02.26 | ssh_sesion | how can restart a network interface after i modify /etc/network/interfaces ...without reboot the server ...is posibil ? |
| 23:02.47 | _abbenormal | ifup if down |
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| 23:03.03 | beetlepun_ | ssh_sesion, make sure route is shown right, (invoke-rc.d networking restart) |
| 23:03.20 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, what type of laptop? |
| 23:03.20 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I've tried knoppix and Ubuntu |
| 23:03.38 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I bought a compaq presario from Costco |
| 23:03.40 | cureless | nice, xorg went through, time to reboot |
| 23:03.59 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I only bought it because I was on R&R and Costco has a 6mo return policy and I won't be here for 6 more months ;) |
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| 23:04.49 | thingfish | well, beetlepun_, I see you /joined. |
| 23:04.59 | thingfish | you were a fsckface. |
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| 23:05.41 | spanglesontoast | what version of irssi does etch have? |
| 23:05.49 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, where are you now? |
| 23:06.02 | mishael | in iraq |
| 23:06.04 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: /msg dpkg info irssi etch |
| 23:06.22 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, so is it by disks or cd you're doing? |
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| 23:06.43 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: are you coming from fedora? |
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| 23:06.54 | spanglesontoast | I've switched most stuff |
| 23:06.59 | spanglesontoast | yea thing |
| 23:07.17 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: welcome to Debian! :) |
| 23:07.17 | spanglesontoast | I'm kinda ticked off as most of the stuff on debian is old... |
| 23:07.20 | spanglesontoast | ty |
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| 23:07.34 | mishael | use etch |
| 23:07.48 | spanglesontoast | you know the repos ? |
| 23:07.49 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, there's also a dialup install |
| 23:08.03 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: it's not old, it's established. Unlike so-called up-to-date distros, everything in Debian sarge works. |
| 23:08.23 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, my speeds are faster than dialup |
| 23:08.25 | spanglesontoast | yea, it works but no one can remember how to use it |
| 23:08.29 | spanglesontoast | lol |
| 23:08.33 | spanglesontoast | nah I'm not bashing |
| 23:08.43 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I'm in Iraq right now |
| 23:08.44 | mishael | also visit marillat |
| 23:08.44 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, netselect might give you some time, have you tried it? |
| 23:08.46 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: even sid is better than most other distro's released versions. |
| 23:08.46 | spanglesontoast | I quite like it but just wondering on how to get tetch |
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| 23:08.57 | thingfish | no I know you're not, spanglesontoast |
| 23:08.59 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, no I haven't, as I said I haven't downloaded anything yet |
| 23:09.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell spanglesontoast -about sarge->etch |
| 23:09.02 | pab | just replace sarge/stable with etch or testing in sources.list |
| 23:09.19 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, it'll help you find a faster mirror nearer where you're located.. |
| 23:09.24 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: you just change a word in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and you're off. |
| 23:09.45 | Socrates|Iraq | roger |
| 23:09.47 | spanglesontoast | ok |
| 23:09.51 | mishael | and sit back for a few hours |
| 23:10.17 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, upon installing the netinstall Debian will I at least have a stable system to boot into without requiring internet |
| 23:10.35 | Socrates|Iraq | I mean, can I boot in and log in at least |
| 23:10.41 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, I thought you said you tried sid,.. o well.. anyways, try making use of something similar to it, and it should try to spot you the fastest mirror-- the typical 180mb on a decent dsl (25kb-- say this is the worst) shouldn't take more than a day, yikes! |
| 23:11.20 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I can only download 6 hours per day max |
| 23:11.25 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, that is of course, you can use any other tool and ping/test or otherwise use something against the mirrorlist |
| 23:11.28 | Socrates|Iraq | that won't work |
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| 23:11.52 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, what's your fastest download rate? |
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| 23:12.09 | spfdz | Whats an alternative to fdisk -l? since its not working for me anyways |
| 23:12.19 | yannick | Why is it that xine runs very slow when maximizinf the screen (divx movies and dvds)? |
| 23:12.23 | beetlepun_ | spfdz, try testdisk to fix the partition table |
| 23:12.56 | gnufan | Socrates|Iraq: the netinstall does what it says on the tin, it needs to download several hundred megabytes on top of the image to do much of interest. |
| 23:12.59 | spanglesontoast | damn I'm confused what I should stick in the security updates |
| 23:13.04 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, back home I use sid on my desktop, I bought this laptop solely for use in Iraq until I get back from deployment |
| 23:13.09 | streuner | yannick: sounds rather like an hardware-issue |
| 23:13.39 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, well it basically is to have a minimum so that you can download just the packages you need right after that-- meaning that your nic card should be detected and connected for packages to later on download/install. |
| 23:13.51 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, sometimes I can get 200KB/s for a few minutes |
| 23:14.04 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, then it drops to 16-40 |
| 23:14.35 | mishael | you mean iraq doesnt have t3 yet? |
| 23:14.49 | gnufan | Socrates|Iraq: sounds like vital download time is wasting... |
| 23:14.51 | Socrates|Iraq | gnufan, but is it something I can resume at a later time? |
| 23:14.57 | mishael | where has my tax money gone? |
| 23:14.57 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, I thought you have SkyNet ? ;) |
| 23:15.13 | Socrates|Iraq | gnufan, I would be satisfied if I could install a base system and lilo/grub, boot back into windows for other work, come back during the night, and do more downloading for it |
| 23:15.28 | michal_ | hmm.. is mplayer in unstable now? |
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| 23:15.35 | spanglesontoast | xchat crashed... |
| 23:15.52 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, o, ah, try a multi-mirror downloader such as getright-- perhaps you might win some bang.. |
| 23:16.16 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, but I have no idea what ftp restrictions you might have over there.. if any.. |
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| 23:16.26 | gnufan | Socrates|Iraq: I'd say get the CD Images, and check that the site you get them from supports resume on the first few megabytes. |
| 23:16.41 | Socrates|Iraq | gnufan, I can't do it just yet, I have to get the CD and figure out if it's possible first |
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| 23:17.09 | Socrates|Iraq | gnufan, can I download a few packages and stop downloading and come back and download more packages? |
| 23:17.13 | spanglesontoast | can someone tell me where I should point my sources.list for the security one |
| 23:17.17 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, there also might be a torrent on torrentspy.com for a debian netinstall cd.. this makes it so that p2p is used from many. |
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| 23:17.30 | Socrates|Iraq | I'm not worried about ONE incomplete, I'm worried about having a bootable system that I can return to without having to start over again |
| 23:17.34 | mishael | spantiga: leave it as is |
| 23:17.36 | gnufan | Socrates|Iraq: maybe jigdo? |
| 23:17.53 | mishael | spanglesontoast: leave it as is |
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| 23:18.02 | spanglesontoast | is that safe mishael? |
| 23:18.12 | Socrates|Iraq | jigdo? |
| 23:18.23 | mishael | spantiga: yes thats fine |
| 23:18.33 | mishael | spanglesontoast: yes thats fine |
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| 23:18.43 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, well you will have a hard time figuring this out-- you'd first have to shrink yadayada partition, and some other manovers on the partition table for ext2 |
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| 23:19.41 | gnufan | !tell Socrates|Iraq about jigdo |
| 23:19.48 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, or reiserfs :P |
| 23:19.49 | spanglesontoast | because I have a few a servers here |
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| 23:20.07 | xeuj | Hello :) |
| 23:20.12 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, the idea of downloading packages isn't fun-- you might even be able to do it with the size of 4 disks.. but you need to know your hardware of course.. |
| 23:20.13 | gnufan | Socrates|Iraq: not used it myself -- as I said the CD images are probably best bet -- whats the problem with that exactly? |
| 23:20.19 | xeuj | I have some question... |
| 23:20.40 | gnufan | !tell xeuj about ask |
| 23:20.52 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, http://ts.searching.com/search.asp?h=453C05A086A340199A86DABAC3265B53&query=debian+&submit.x=0&submit.y=0 |
| 23:21.13 | dimir | xyu! |
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| 23:21.27 | Socrates|Iraq | gnufan, downloading one large file leaves higher risk of corruption doesn it not? |
| 23:21.33 | Socrates|Iraq | I and it would take me ages |
| 23:21.42 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, check the md5/asc against it later to be sure.. |
| 23:21.57 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, well that's why you have md5.. |
| 23:22.06 | gnufan | Socrates|Iraq: download of large files is easy -- honest ISO downloads are easy. Corruption went out with modem line noise correction ;) |
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| 23:22.21 | JasonX | Anyone know best approach to setting screen size/aspect to diff vals on fly for xine, so when it thinks it is showing video in middle of screen with black bars top and bottom in reality it has 1 big black bar at top and video aligned at bottom edge (by pretending screen is taller than it is) I have it working for mplayer |
| 23:22.27 | xeuj | !ask I open a ssh session on my work and now i want give it :) |
| 23:22.42 | Socrates|Iraq | blah |
| 23:22.44 | Socrates|Iraq | fuck this |
| 23:22.55 | Socrates|Iraq | I'm just going to try to download a full ISO |
| 23:22.55 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, you're not a soldier :p |
| 23:22.58 | xeuj | !!!4DM1N!!!@tina:~# who |
| 23:22.59 | xeuj | user1 pts/0 May 3 17:58 (xxxx.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 23:23.03 | xeuj | :) |
| 23:23.06 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I am |
| 23:23.13 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I just got put on an Iraqi Army base for a while |
| 23:23.18 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, I'm joking, solier on and give it a shot! |
| 23:23.22 | spanglesontoast | is that deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib the one? |
| 23:23.34 | xeuj | i want take controle on this ssh session :) |
| 23:23.42 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, surprised, you're not on SkyNet |
| 23:23.48 | xeuj | it is possible? |
| 23:24.05 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, what better thing to do while on an Iraqi Army base than express your freedom by downloading linux for free and install it |
| 23:24.20 | Daishi | is there any undelete util for ext2/3? |
| 23:24.24 | mishael | that needs to be stable not testing |
| 23:24.25 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, :P |
| 23:24.26 | grendal_prime | this is making me crazy |
| 23:24.32 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, use azureus (sf.net) and open a torrent file from the query page i gave you-- there's a 30mb image.. |
| 23:24.33 | grendal_prime | this should not be so damn hard |
| 23:24.36 | chaosx | exit |
| 23:24.44 | grendal_prime | conferencing in jabber |
| 23:24.47 | grendal_prime | jabber-muc |
| 23:24.58 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, you don't even need to partition persay-- you can check out vmware and experiment with an OS in a virtual box.. |
| 23:25.04 | spanglesontoast | hello is that correct :| ? |
| 23:25.26 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, that's how I experiment with different distros -- however I run vmware on linux, not windows.. |
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| 23:25.37 | BerryAllen | hi all.... |
| 23:25.54 | BerryAllen | im using etch and trying to install a xserver-xorg-video-sis package |
| 23:25.58 | mishael | spanglesontoast: stable not testing for the security one |
| 23:26.06 | BerryAllen | but it, require a xserver-xorg-core.... |
| 23:26.09 | spanglesontoast | yea but for etch? |
| 23:26.14 | pab | spanglesontoast: I think mishael already told you to use stable for the the security |
| 23:26.20 | BerryAllen | but xserver-xorg-core does not exist |
| 23:26.34 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, for eg- you can download the stupid image, and use that as a virtual cd to vmware-- and a virtual disk drive as a flat-file -- ever heard of vmware? (well i should advocate other ones currently in dev :/) |
| 23:26.37 | spanglesontoast | even for etch? |
| 23:26.45 | mishael | yes |
| 23:27.03 | BerryAllen | im stuck... anyone have an idea? |
| 23:27.05 | mishael | there are no security updates for etch |
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| 23:27.54 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, is vmware GPL? |
| 23:27.56 | spanglesontoast | is that apt-get upgrade I want to do? |
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| 23:28.08 | mishael | update first |
| 23:28.19 | xeuj | is vmware GPL? => no vmware in not gpl :) |
| 23:28.21 | wwallace_lap | CPU[Celeron (Coppermine) clocked at 766.830 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.15.6-kanotix-1 i686] Up[-1day-] Mem[-178.457/181.559MB-] HDD[-60GB(58%used)-] Procs[-85-] Client[X-Chat 2.6.1] |
| 23:28.29 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, well no, but it is free and runs off winbloze and linux-- there's also an opensource one called bochs-- but is more difficult to setup.. |
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| 23:28.54 | Socrates|Iraq | spanglesontoast, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:29.04 | spanglesontoast | ok cheers |
| 23:29.14 | wwallace_lap | !sources |
| 23:29.15 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 23:29.19 | Janos | !kp |
| 23:29.19 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 23:29.46 | BerryAllen | please, anyone have idea, what can i do to install my xorg drivers? xserver-xorg-core really does not exist? (im looking in the packages.debian.org.... and i cant found it... so why xserver-xorg-video-sis require it? |
| 23:29.55 | wwallace_lap | !factoids |
| 23:29.56 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry! |
| 23:30.07 | spfdz | Anyone here have a dell 2005fpw by any chance? |
| 23:30.24 | wwallace_lap | BerryAllen: install Kanotix |
| 23:30.27 | wwallace_lap | :) |
| 23:30.32 | wwallace_lap | dont flam me now |
| 23:30.35 | Socrates|Iraq | I've never built a kernel the "debian way" |
| 23:30.46 | BerryAllen | wwallace_lap, tks |
| 23:30.50 | james_ | I'm having problems with dovecot. It's been running smoothly for a year or so, and today it suddenly quit. The logs state a kill 15, and for the life of me I can't start it again. Is there any way I can troubleshoot this? It's no longer logging, and /etc/init.d/dovecot start says it's starting, but I can't find a running process for it. |
| 23:30.53 | Socrates|Iraq | I always downloaded the source from kernel.org and untarred and configured and compiled |
| 23:31.06 | BerryAllen | a lot |
| 23:31.07 | BerryAllen | :(\ |
| 23:31.11 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, make-kpkg -- there's quick examples in the manpage.. |
| 23:32.06 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, a.deb |
| 23:32.21 | wwallace_lap | !fuck wwallace_lap |
| 23:32.27 | wwallace_lap | hmm |
| 23:32.43 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, .debs get created in ../ relative to the kernel source tree you run make-kpkg in, you can then add these .debs to your local repo |
| 23:32.48 | mishael | cd <source>; make-kpkg kernel_image; dpkg -i ../<kernel>.deb |
| 23:33.32 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I think the normal way is easier |
| 23:33.33 | Socrates|Iraq | :P |
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| 23:33.50 | beetlepun_ | anyone can tell me about any speech-to-text packages? I see seldom pacakges of this type-- maybe i'll do something about it.. |
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| 23:34.19 | wwallace_lap | can anyone tell me whats the closest application in linux to qick books? |
| 23:34.41 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, well if you read up about it, it saves time eventually because you can remove your custom kernel with the apt-get command.. |
| 23:35.09 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, but I can do that with rm |
| 23:35.10 | Socrates|Iraq | lol |
| 23:35.18 | tc_ | hi, i was trying to install the newest version of openoffice.org using alien, but went out one problem: Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package openoffice.org-core10: postinst postrm |
| 23:35.19 | tc_ | Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts. |
| 23:35.19 | tc_ | , so body can tell me why??? |
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| 23:36.08 | mishael | why use alien? |
| 23:36.13 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, why not just buy another laptop, first send it to me, then I'll Army-post it to you with debian installed on it :) |
| 23:36.15 | spanglesontoast | to convert |
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| 23:36.19 | dvs | mishael: latest and greatest I assume |
| 23:36.39 | pab | cvs? |
| 23:36.42 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, lmao no thanks |
| 23:36.42 | mishael | get it from unstable then |
| 23:36.44 | tc_ | mishael, because they are rpm files |
| 23:36.58 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I got this one because I can return it in 6 mo or less for full refund |
| 23:37.10 | dvs | tc_: Why the heck are you using the rpm files? |
| 23:37.17 | BerryAllen | i have to believe, there are no way to solve it? |
| 23:37.20 | mishael | tc_: you can't download from a debian repository? |
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| 23:37.30 | james_ | wwallace_lap: gnucash, but it's not as easy to use. |
| 23:37.44 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, what happened to sid, you screwed it and ran winbloze onto it? |
| 23:37.47 | Gnea | tc_: this is the debian distribution, not the redhat distribution |
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| 23:38.08 | beetlepun_ | tc_, don't tell me you're crying about your icons tool :) |
| 23:38.13 | tc_ | mishael, Gnea , dvs , yes. but it's version 2.0.1. |
| 23:38.44 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, no sid is on my desktop |
| 23:38.47 | Socrates|Iraq | this laptop came with windows |
| 23:38.52 | Socrates|Iraq | and a big ass ntfs partition |
| 23:38.56 | Socrates|Iraq | debian was too old to remove it |
| 23:38.59 | dvs | tc_: Have you looked as backports yet? |
| 23:39.01 | Socrates|Iraq | so I had to get newer shit to do it |
| 23:39.05 | Gnea | tc_: debian has 2.0.2 |
| 23:39.25 | Gnea | tc_: are you on sarge? |
| 23:39.45 | tc_ | mishael, Gnea , dvs , beetlepun_ , i download it (testing), but i could not us SCIM, i can not call it out. |
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| 23:39.58 | dvs | !backports |
| 23:39.59 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:40.02 | Gnea | tc_: SCIM? |
| 23:40.28 | tc_ | Gnea, SCIM, chinese input method. |
| 23:40.30 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, so what's the other partitions, reiserfs is set and ready? |
| 23:40.44 | Gnea | tc_: it may require some configuration on your part |
| 23:41.02 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I'm sick of windows but when I got the laptop is was just factory preinstall with windows and shit |
| 23:41.07 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, no, I haven't done that yet either |
| 23:41.10 | Socrates|Iraq | I've been waiting |
| 23:41.13 | Gnea | tc_: using a non-supported distribution method will get you no help from debian people |
| 23:41.23 | tc_ | Gnea, mmm.... cause i can use SCIM with others programs ... just openoffice not |
| 23:41.36 | mishael | install from source if you need to... |
| 23:41.47 | tc_ | Gnea, how?? |
| 23:42.01 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, so what then have you actually tried, was it 2.2 ? |
| 23:42.12 | tc_ | Gnea, what's non-support distribution? |
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| 23:42.20 | Gnea | tc_: i don't know, but a quick google search brought this up: http://nic-nac-project.de/~murj/blog/item/view-and-input-chinese-charactors-in-an-english-system |
| 23:42.37 | Gnea | tc_: http://tinyurl.com/j7blg |
| 23:42.42 | Gnea | tc_: RPM |
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| 23:43.01 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, no it was 3.1 that I ran at home |
| 23:43.09 | Socrates|Iraq | sid |
| 23:43.22 | Gnea | tc_: we don't support RPM's here, particularly when the package already has a solidly maintained debian package |
| 23:43.59 | tc_ | oh, ic. Gnea , thanks. |
| 23:44.28 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, try making a basesystem with the make basesystem toolkit -- the desktop is on debian i assume.. |
| 23:44.51 | Socrates|Iraq | I don't have my desktop with me |
| 23:44.54 | Socrates|Iraq | my desktop is at HOME |
| 23:44.56 | Socrates|Iraq | I am in IRAQ |
| 23:44.57 | unity | hello all, i am trying to learn the ?: operator, i learned that "boolean ? do_this : or_this;" is the correct syntax. this is what i have: "b.contains(o = i.next()) ? a.add(o) : false;" false is just a placeholder to do nothing. i get this compiler error on this line, 49: not a statement. i know i can split this into simpler statements, but for the sake of learning from my mistakes, i would like to know what is wrong with this li |
| 23:44.57 | unity | ne |
| 23:45.07 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, ah, I thought Iraq was your home :) |
| 23:45.15 | Socrates|Iraq | fuck no, I'm on a deployment with the US Army |
| 23:45.23 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, I'm joking hihihi |
| 23:45.26 | unity | oops wrong channel |
| 23:45.28 | Gnea | Socrates|Iraq: you are offtopic. |
| 23:45.44 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, so login at home :) |
| 23:45.48 | unity | i just wrote a novel on the wrong channel |
| 23:45.55 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, you're telling me you didn't setup ssh? |
| 23:45.59 | dvs | unity: You need to assign the statement to something. |
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| 23:46.39 | Gnea | Socrates|Iraq: i mean, you're trying to configure a system in the states from iraq? |
| 23:46.50 | beetlepun_ | unity, omit the third ) |
| 23:47.01 | Socrates|Iraq | Gnea, NO I am in Iraq trying to work on my laptop that I am ON in Iraq |
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| 23:47.36 | Gnea | Socrates|Iraq: i really don't care where you are, just explain the problem you're having |
| 23:47.55 | unity | beetlepun_: this is more help than i usually get on #java |
| 23:47.56 | pab | tc_: I run sid but I thought I saw chinese available in apt-get....am I wrong |
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| 23:48.02 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm in your backyard! |
| 23:48.08 | beetlepun_ | Gnea, I think he's trying to find a fast mirror, but hell-- I think he's restricted too much in his greenzone :) |
| 23:48.08 | Gnea | abrotman: lol |
| 23:48.16 | abrotman | apt-spy ? |
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| 23:48.50 | Gnea | Socrates|Iraq: apt-spy may do the job, is it installed? and can you install it? |
| 23:49.04 | tc_ | pab, yes, i installed it from apt-get already. |
| 23:49.22 | mishael | apt-spy can take a long time though |
| 23:49.28 | abrotman | yeah .. on 56k ;) |
| 23:50.00 | beetlepun_ | Gnea, he's only trying to sum up how to place it on his laptop.. he's a newb.. I don't think he knows what a mirrorlist is :/.. |
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| 23:51.07 | Socrates|Iraq | Gnea, ok look I am in Iraq, I have a laptop in front of me, I have windows xp installed on a big ass ntfs partition, I need to resize the ntfs partition and create a reiser and swap partition at the least for partitions, and then I have to install debian |
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| 23:51.32 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I'm not in a greenzone, I'm in Mosul |
| 23:51.38 | Socrates|Iraq | we get shot at daily |
| 23:51.50 | k31th | yo, im copying data from 1 drive to another |
| 23:51.50 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, ahem, so you never said you wanted to keep xp-- well I did say (see above) a way to do it-- you'd have to shrink it-- here |
| 23:51.51 | Socrates|Iraq | I just happened to have a few hours of off time |
| 23:51.51 | k31th | how can i see wat speed im copying it at ?? |
| 23:51.58 | Socrates|Iraq | and we're allotted time to sleep too |
| 23:51.59 | Socrates|Iraq | :P |
| 23:52.17 | spanglesontoast | ;) |
| 23:52.20 | mishael | fdisk to resize? |
| 23:52.39 | unity | in grep, what pattern do i need to look for a question mark, then any number of characters (even 0) and then a colon? "?*:" means something else and i think it's the ? that's throwing it off |
| 23:52.42 | Gnea | Socrates|Iraq: understood. your best bet is to locate a copy of PartitionMagic (I think it's at version 8 or 9 now?) and use that to shrink your NTFS to create room for the reiser+swap. |
| 23:52.43 | Socrates|Iraq | I know how to shrink it fine |
| 23:52.59 | Gnea | oh ok cool |
| 23:53.22 | mishael | \?*\: i think |
| 23:53.29 | Gnea | beetlepun_: dude, you have no idea what you're dealing with :) |
| 23:53.30 | beetlepun_ | Gnea, f** that s** , there's ultimate boot cd! |
| 23:53.37 | zinx | unity: "." is any character, "*" is a prefix to say match the previous atom any number of times |
| 23:53.46 | mishael | oops make that \?.*\: |
| 23:53.49 | Gnea | beetlepun_: it's okay to say "fuck that shit" |
| 23:53.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 23:54.13 | beetlepun_ | Gnea, watch your expletive manners! |
| 23:54.15 | loggygreg | zinx: prefix ? |
| 23:54.16 | zinx | unity: uh, s/prefix/postfix/ :D |
| 23:54.20 | Gnea | Socrates|Iraq: i have to run now, but beetlepun_ may be able to help you. |
| 23:54.22 | zinx | loggygreg: not thinking. |
| 23:54.25 | Gnea | beetlepun_: blow me. |
| 23:54.29 | Socrates|Iraq | I want to keep windows because some things aren't compatible with linux |
| 23:54.36 | Socrates|Iraq | and I might need windows to work on my downloads more |
| 23:54.36 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, don't shoot me please, :/ |
| 23:54.42 | Socrates|Iraq | linux doesn't like my hardware |
| 23:54.56 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, I know you wanna kill the MS people when you come back home, please do that for me, yes do! :) |
| 23:54.58 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 23:54.58 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:54.59 | Socrates|Iraq | so.....I need a dual boot at the moment |
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| 23:55.11 | unity | mishael, zinx: thanks |
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| 23:55.34 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, tsk, (see above) |
| 23:55.53 | Gnea | beetlepun_: don't try to put him down, that won't get you anywhere good. anyway i'm out, good luck. |
| 23:56.15 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, try http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ -- there's also a xp variant |
| 23:56.17 | Socrates|Iraq | I gtg in a minute to do some shit here |
| 23:56.19 | k31th | yo, im copying data from 1 drive to another |
| 23:56.21 | k31th | how can i see wat speed im copying it at ?? |
| 23:57.26 | mishael | shrink xp, install debian, boot into debian, copy the boot sector back to windows, modify boot.ini |
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| 23:58.17 | Socrates|Iraq | beetlepun_, I don't like XP at all I keep it because I need it to talk to friends and family until I can get linux installed on here that recognizes my hardware well enough to allow me internet access to converse with them |
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| 23:58.59 | beetlepun_ | Socrates|Iraq, jackass, what's the matter with ya? you're not trying to download c**ap... how come? you restricted from ftp access or something? |
| 23:59.38 | Shadowcat | something tells me Socrates|Iraq's been ignored by most of the helpers |
| 23:59.44 | Shadowcat | since he's been here for over an hour |
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