| 00:00.02 | gravity | magyar: mv /etc/X11/Xsession.xfree86 /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 00:00.33 | magyar | gravity -_- |
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| 00:00.49 | LordVorp | dvs thx |
| 00:00.56 | shogunx | magyar see if > /etc/X11/Xsession does anything for you. |
| 00:00.57 | dvs | no problem |
| 00:01.00 | magyar | gravity i guess x11-common is broken |
| 00:01.26 | gravity | It is |
| 00:01.38 | gravity | I broke it by accident trying to fix another bug |
| 00:01.46 | Shadowcat | it's all gravity's fault! |
| 00:01.54 | magyar | bahh |
| 00:01.59 | shogunx | its all homeland securitys fault. |
| 00:03.21 | rredd4 | r_marvin its here /usr/share/scummvm/flight-of-the-amazon-queen |
| 00:03.38 | magyar | brb |
| 00:04.00 | shogunx | gravity that happens sometimes. |
| 00:04.24 | gravity | shogunx: Yep. |
| 00:04.27 | myren | stupid fucking uid's. :( |
| 00:04.31 | Ungy | heh so your the culprit? |
| 00:04.41 | shogunx | gravity god thing theres no more sending out floppies to fix it. |
| 00:04.42 | gravity | Ungy: The maintainer tends to be, yeah |
| 00:04.46 | myren | i havent hated linux this bad since i had to use redhat eight years ago |
| 00:04.48 | gravity | shogunx: Yeah :-) |
| 00:04.56 | prp | if i had removed a package.. but not purged it and now i want to purge it what do i have to do ? |
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| 00:05.12 | gravity | prp: Just do the purge as you normally would |
| 00:05.21 | Ungy | myren redhat in 1997 turned me off linux for 4 years |
| 00:05.32 | prp | gravity: apt-get remove --purge x will say x is not installed |
| 00:05.45 | shogunx | gravity what is the process to include a package in the tree? |
| 00:05.50 | myren | Ungy: I'd been using Freebsd and debian enough for it not to kill me |
| 00:05.51 | magyar | if not for gravity, i wouldnt know that Xsession exists :) |
| 00:05.54 | shogunx | if you don't mind |
| 00:06.07 | myren | however i'm damned close to hunting down AT&T people and stabbing them with pitchforks |
| 00:06.11 | gravity | shogunx: If you're a dd? Just upload |
| 00:06.13 | shogunx | live if i wanted to up E17 |
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| 00:06.23 | gravity | heh |
| 00:06.30 | gravity | shogunx: I don't think that's so easy... |
| 00:06.38 | myren | evidently the entire internet needs a co-ordinated /etc/passwd with coordinated uid/gid's |
| 00:06.41 | myren | if you wnat remote mapping |
| 00:06.47 | Ungy | myren it was my first experience with linux thankfully solaris gave me some *nix experience making it easier when I gave linux another try |
| 00:06.49 | shogunx | i'll look on the site to see where to sign up for dd. |
| 00:06.56 | gravity | shogunx: I mean... if you want to do it, I'd check the bts first |
| 00:07.01 | gravity | shogunx: See what the maintainer says |
| 00:07.16 | shogunx | gravity ok. already have it built here, and stably. |
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| 00:07.17 | gravity | shogunx: If it's not in the bts, write the maintainer, but I'm pretty certain there's bound to be a request for it |
| 00:08.16 | dabaR | How do I increase the speed of movement of the pointer when I use my touchpad? Is it a setting in x.conf? |
| 00:08.38 | dabaR | Other than the gnome menu |
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| 00:09.46 | simonrvn | gravity: hi guy. doing ok? |
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| 00:10.13 | gravity | simonrvn: Kinda stressed out |
| 00:10.20 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 00:10.39 | gravity | simonrvn: xorg bugs + lots of stuff going on at work |
| 00:10.54 | simonrvn | *nods*. poor gravity :( |
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| 00:12.46 | shogunx | gravity, no e17 in bts or prospective. |
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| 00:14.18 | gravity | shogunx: Ok, I'd recommend filing a wishlist bug against the package asking to put the new version in experimental at least. Offer a link to your packages (make sure your source is there, including .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, and .dsc.gz) |
| 00:14.51 | shogunx | thanx. |
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| 00:21.21 | Ungy | I wish my laptop wasn't such a pain in the butt to get linux working on it properly |
| 00:21.58 | smacnay | what is the difference between the "xen" linux-image and non-"xen" images in the Deb repository? |
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| 00:25.02 | Ungy | smacnay I woudl expect one uses teh xen source the other doesn't? |
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| 00:26.03 | smacnay | Ungy: hmm, I don't even know about the xen source... is that a perferred source? |
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| 00:26.59 | Ungy | smacnay if I remember correctly this might be the website http://www.xensource.com/ |
| 00:27.10 | smacnay | Ungy: thanks |
| 00:28.16 | smacnay | Ungy: hmm, maybe something I am not interested in. |
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| 00:30.29 | Surgo | Having a problem starting XEmacs in X (both from the standard Debian archive and built from source), getting (error "Must be a string, vector, or font-instance" #<x-device on ":0.0" 0x36b>), anyone have any idea what's going on? I don't get it when I run xemacs -nw, I can paste the entire backtrace in a private message if needed. |
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| 00:30.56 | carl | what's the status of gnome 2.14 in unstable? what package name should I use to install gnome? |
| 00:31.07 | gravity | Surgo: Unstable? |
| 00:31.09 | jonas23 | are there known problems with installing etch on sata |
| 00:31.32 | Surgo | gravity: Yeah, xemacs 21.4.19 |
| 00:31.50 | jonas23 | or: if grub-installer doesn't succeed, is there a way to salvage my installation without another boot cd |
| 00:31.55 | gravity | Surgo: Hrm... do you get fonts errors with any other apps? |
| 00:32.09 | Surgo | None. |
| 00:32.13 | gravity | Surgo: There may well be some issues with fonts still floating around in Xorg 7 |
| 00:32.26 | Surgo | Ah. |
| 00:32.30 | Surgo | How long ago was XOrg 7 put into unstable? |
| 00:32.39 | gravity | A few weeks ago |
| 00:32.45 | Surgo | Okay; that's probably it, then. |
| 00:32.53 | jonas23 | also, trying to use chroot gets me a segfault regardless of shell.. anyone know about this? (this is while booted into the netinst) |
| 00:33.01 | Surgo | Strange that I haven't had any other font problems though. |
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| 00:33.07 | gravity | Surgo: Yeah |
| 00:33.20 | Surgo | Though actually, I haven't restarted X, so maybe they'll start showing up if I do. |
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| 00:33.58 | gravity | Surgo: You haven't restarted X since updating to Xorg 7? |
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| 00:34.07 | Surgo | Correct. |
| 00:34.11 | gravity | That could be a problem |
| 00:34.16 | gravity | The fonts moved |
| 00:34.30 | Surgo | Yeah. |
| 00:34.41 | Surgo | I'll try it after I safely finish writing my paper :p |
| 00:34.47 | gravity | I don't know anything about xemacs though, so it could well be a bug there |
| 00:34.47 | Surgo | Not before, though :P |
| 00:34.53 | gravity | Surgo: Yeah, good thinking :-) |
| 00:35.03 | jonas23 | so nobody here installs debian :) |
| 00:35.03 | Ungy | Surgo heh I won't restart for a week or so |
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| 00:35.39 | Ungy | jonas what is your problem |
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| 00:36.20 | jonas23 | installing etch onto sata only system, grub failed spectacularly, so now what? |
| 00:36.27 | Surgo | I'll keep that in mind, heh. |
| 00:36.32 | jonas23 | (the screen went red) |
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| 00:36.38 | manu | hi |
| 00:36.40 | Surgo | End of the semester, not a good time for everything to start failing on me. |
| 00:36.47 | jonas23 | I can only get at "grub-installer" through a shell.. i tried chrooting into my otherwise functioning installed system |
| 00:36.48 | magyar | is there a feature in kde when burning a music cd to do a crossfade ? |
| 00:36.48 | gravity | Yeah, I agree |
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| 00:36.51 | jonas23 | but this segfaulted without fail |
| 00:36.51 | Ungy | jonas when you were installign was the drive detected? |
| 00:36.59 | jonas23 | Ungy, yes |
| 00:37.00 | manu | i want to start with xinit only, not with a desktop manager, is it possible ? |
| 00:37.06 | jonas23 | actually the install is a little more complex than that |
| 00:37.14 | Surgo | magyar: you can probably edit the music file beforehand to do it |
| 00:37.15 | Ungy | jonas23 did you by chance upgrade the kernel? |
| 00:37.40 | jonas23 | i don't think so? i chose expert so it gave me a choice and i picked '2.6.15' |
| 00:38.03 | eegore_ | well free bsd is more aimed to servers anyway is it not? |
| 00:38.05 | jonas23 | even so that's just the installed kernel |
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| 00:38.32 | jonas23 | grub just never installed right |
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| 00:38.42 | jonas23 | it runs grub-install (from where???) (hd0) |
| 00:38.43 | jonas23 | but that fails |
| 00:38.51 | Ungy | hmm I rember reading about somethign with 2.6 having problems with sata drives |
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| 00:39.18 | jonas23 | it finds the drives, partitions them, formats, mounts, and writes to them |
| 00:39.21 | keherman | how can i list all packages in APT that depend on libtiff? |
| 00:39.34 | manu | apt-depends je crois |
| 00:39.38 | manu | i think |
| 00:39.58 | jonas23 | okay the screen says |
| 00:39.59 | Ungy | jonas23 you can use the install disk to edit your instalation wihtout reinstalling |
| 00:40.07 | jonas23 | Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. |
| 00:40.11 | jonas23 | This is a fatal error. |
| 00:40.18 | magyar | is there a way to burn divx or xvid files to dvd format like with Roxio on windows? |
| 00:40.40 | Ungy | jonas23 put the net isntall disk in and you can choose to get a prompt |
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| 00:41.03 | jonas23 | i have the netinst disk in there already |
| 00:41.10 | jonas23 | i can get a prompt from it if i choose |
| 00:41.14 | Ungy | restart it and boot to disk |
| 00:41.24 | jonas23 | ahh, it'l boot off the disk? |
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| 00:41.53 | Ungy | jonas23 yes |
| 00:42.03 | jonas23 | i installed onto a raid0 |
| 00:42.07 | jonas23 | might that be a problem? |
| 00:42.11 | jonas23 | (software) |
| 00:43.01 | Ungy | jonas23 boot to the disk then see if you can see your disk |
| 00:43.14 | Ungy | if you can you shoudl be abel to edit the disk |
| 00:43.16 | jonas23 | i think the installer is confused |
| 00:43.48 | Ungy | jonas23 why you say that? |
| 00:44.05 | jonas23 | the instructions it gave me to manually boot it don't really make too much sense |
| 00:44.10 | jonas23 | okay so the netinst is going to prompt me |
| 00:44.14 | jonas23 | what should i do at the prompt? |
| 00:44.38 | Ungy | unfamiliar with command line? |
| 00:44.44 | jonas23 | me?? |
| 00:44.50 | Ungy | yeah? |
| 00:44.52 | jonas23 | no? |
| 00:45.07 | jonas23 | heh |
| 00:45.07 | Ungy | ahh well first things first see what is mounted |
| 00:45.12 | jonas23 | wait what? |
| 00:45.19 | jonas23 | why? the system installed fine |
| 00:45.24 | jonas23 | i've verified that everything mounts |
| 00:45.33 | Ungy | ok tehn do an apt-get update |
| 00:45.44 | Ungy | apt-get --reinstall install grub |
| 00:45.45 | jonas23 | that won't work |
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| 00:45.52 | jonas23 | my system won't boot |
| 00:45.58 | jonas23 | because grub didn't install itself to the mbr |
| 00:46.00 | jonas23 | because that step failed |
| 00:46.04 | jonas23 | which .. which is my problem :) |
| 00:46.12 | jonas23 | i am at the prompt on the netinst |
| 00:46.17 | Ungy | exactly which means if your at a command prompt your botted |
| 00:46.20 | jonas23 | so i was asking, how to i get it to boot my installed system |
| 00:46.35 | jonas23 | well it booted off the cd |
| 00:47.03 | Ungy | apt-get install --reinstall grub? |
| 00:47.04 | jonas23 | the only methods i know of are install and expert |
| 00:47.17 | Ungy | did you try that |
| 00:47.21 | jonas23 | you don't seem to know what i'm asking, or what step i'm at |
| 00:47.33 | jonas23 | or maybe i'm not communicating it well enough |
| 00:47.33 | Ungy | your at a prompt correct |
| 00:47.38 | jonas23 | well, a type of prompt |
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| 00:47.40 | Ungy | meaning you should be in single user mode |
| 00:47.40 | jonas23 | i don't have a shell |
| 00:47.42 | jonas23 | no |
| 00:47.45 | jonas23 | why? |
| 00:47.50 | jonas23 | grub NEVER installed to my MBR |
| 00:47.56 | Ungy | why not get into a shell |
| 00:48.01 | jonas23 | because that doesn't help |
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| 00:48.09 | Ungy | you can get a shell from the install disk |
| 00:48.15 | jonas23 | okay i'll boot expert |
| 00:48.18 | jonas23 | and get to a shell hold on |
| 00:48.28 | jonas23 | the prompt i'm talking about is the boot cd prompt |
| 00:48.32 | Ungy | so being able to manually manipulate your boot record and fix grub won't help? |
| 00:48.35 | jonas23 | you said i can boot to disk from that |
| 00:48.50 | jonas23 | alright |
| 00:48.52 | jonas23 | i'm in busybox |
| 00:48.59 | jonas23 | there is no apt-get command |
| 00:49.01 | jonas23 | only apt-install |
| 00:49.11 | jonas23 | there's no grub command (i'd be fine if i could get to the grub prompt) |
| 00:49.26 | Ungy | I said you can boot with it yes and if you want to you can bypass grub to do it you I don;t remeber offhand the exact command but it is on the net |
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| 00:50.35 | jonas23 | i don't quite follow |
| 00:50.56 | Angels2 | mount your disk, chroot, grub install |
| 00:51.03 | jonas23 | Angels2, chroot seg faults |
| 00:51.08 | Angels2 | O.o |
| 00:51.09 | jonas23 | that's the first thing i tried |
| 00:51.15 | jonas23 | seg faults with tcsh, sh, bash |
| 00:51.19 | jonas23 | uh.. just about anything |
| 00:51.38 | Angels2 | what live cd do you use? |
| 00:51.42 | jonas23 | i can try again |
| 00:51.52 | jonas23 | latest etch :) |
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| 00:52.05 | Ungy | Angels2 he is using the etch install disk |
| 00:52.29 | Angels2 | never used it as rescue environment :P |
| 00:52.43 | cshaman | Ahoy |
| 00:52.49 | jonas23 | i don't want to plug in my other computer to burn a new disc just to install grub :( |
| 00:53.01 | cshaman | Is there a TTY-based BitTorrent app? |
| 00:53.12 | jonas23 | btdownloadcurses |
| 00:53.18 | Ungy | jonas23 try renstalling and use teh 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:53.26 | Ungy | if it is available |
| 00:53.53 | Pmarc | how can I sart a cd from the grub menu? |
| 00:53.54 | jonas23 | i need 2.6 |
| 00:54.08 | jonas23 | for more than a few reasons |
| 00:54.19 | Angels2 | Pmarc : edit /boot/grub/menu.lst? :P |
| 00:54.41 | jonas23 | btw the cd is : "Official snapshot i386 binary-1 20060314" |
| 00:54.42 | Angels2 | jonas23: i wonder why it segfaults |
| 00:54.43 | Ungy | jonas23 I am almost posotive it is a problem with SATA |
| 00:55.25 | jonas23 | you think it is sata? |
| 00:55.31 | jonas23 | it says it is trying to install grub to "/target" |
| 00:55.38 | jonas23 | even though i want it in the mbr and /target is a raid volume |
| 00:55.40 | Pmarc | Angels2: yep, i've put root (hd1,0), makeactive, chainloader +1, boot |
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| 00:56.05 | Pmarc | Angels2: but is doesn't work |
| 00:56.11 | cshaman | Has there ever been any luck installing a Linux distribution on an Apple computer, such as an iBook? |
| 00:56.12 | hendry | i am have synaptic issues with X unstable upgrade |
| 00:56.20 | cshaman | I'm considering trying to install Debian on my iBook. |
| 00:56.35 | Ungy | jonas23 that shoudl be OK but it seems to me it has trouble seeing the MBR |
| 00:56.36 | Pmarc | Angels2: I would like to have a generic setup |
| 00:56.37 | thingfish | cshaman: ask #debian-ppc |
| 00:56.47 | chealer | cshaman: #debianppc |
| 00:57.14 | cshaman | Thanks. |
| 00:57.49 | Ungy | cshaman http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/ibookg4.html.en |
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| 01:00.26 | jonas23 | so Angels2 just for a sanity check |
| 01:00.28 | cshaman | Hmm. I installed the bittornado packages, but there is no bittornado app, and I also installed the bittorrent package and there is no bittorrent app |
| 01:00.33 | jonas23 | chroot shouldn't just segfault all the time right |
| 01:00.43 | jonas23 | should i try any mount flags |
| 01:00.53 | hendry | ok, startx isn't working, but X is. |
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| 01:01.14 | gravity | hendry: mv /etc/X11/Xsession.xfree86 /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:02.00 | jonas23 | i tried "mount -o rw,defaults -t ext3 /dev/md0 /target" |
| 01:02.16 | jonas23 | cd target/;; chroot . /bin/bash (boom) |
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| 01:03.07 | Toast | oi guys huge problem. i deleted a folder via rm -r and i need it.... i thoguht i was deleitng the same folder elsewhere and ummm yeah |
| 01:03.13 | Toast | any way to get it back? |
| 01:03.23 | dondelelcaro | Toast: are you using ext2? |
| 01:03.28 | Toast | ext3 |
| 01:03.30 | Toast | i believe |
| 01:03.33 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 01:03.39 | Angels2 | byebye data :P |
| 01:03.41 | Ungy | Toast it's toast ;-) |
| 01:03.46 | dondelelcaro | Toast: no, not really, unless you're using one of the preloaded recycle bins |
| 01:04.12 | Toast | i'm using a standard system |
| 01:04.15 | Toast | i dunno |
| 01:04.32 | Toast | i have it on a novell server but it would be a pain to extract it from there |
| 01:04.45 | Toast | coz its deleted there too! |
| 01:04.53 | Ungy | thats ok I accidentely chmod -R 3440 ./ the other day |
| 01:05.12 | Ungy | the problem I was root |
| 01:05.18 | Ungy | and I was ~ |
| 01:05.26 | Angels2 | more fun is chmod 777 / ... sigh |
| 01:05.44 | Toast | lol |
| 01:05.48 | Toast | is there any 'easy' way to get it back? |
| 01:05.49 | Angels2 | happened to me a few hours ago... |
| 01:05.59 | Ungy | Angels2 well I had to mount it on anothe rmachine pull the data off and rebuild it |
| 01:06.03 | omi | Does anyone know if there is a udeb for debian installer that installs debian into an image file as opposed to creating/formatting a partition? |
| 01:06.04 | Angels2 | Toast: yes... recover from a backup |
| 01:06.24 | Ungy | omi you want a live cd? |
| 01:06.30 | omi | no |
| 01:06.33 | Angels2 | udeb? |
| 01:06.36 | jonas23 | well i guess my problem has no solution |
| 01:07.03 | omi | I want to have an option that debian installer would creat an image file on an EXISTING partition |
| 01:07.20 | jonas23 | the cd says it's executing 'grub-install' |
| 01:07.22 | Ungy | jonas try reinstaling it |
| 01:07.23 | jonas23 | if i can find that... |
| 01:07.28 | jonas23 | Ungy, i've done that already |
| 01:07.36 | omi | and mount it in loopback and /target in the installer would map to the image file |
| 01:07.39 | Ungy | and grub still won't install? |
| 01:07.47 | omi | as opposed to the partition that will be formatted |
| 01:07.47 | jonas23 | it always fails at the same point |
| 01:07.53 | Angels2 | which is? |
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| 01:08.25 | omi | Is there a separate channel for debian installer? |
| 01:08.30 | Ungy | jonas23 maybe iut is something to do with your raid setup |
| 01:08.39 | jonas23 | Ungy, and why would that be? |
| 01:08.41 | siimo | hi is gnome in debian SID currently broken? |
| 01:08.48 | jonas23 | it shouldn't care what / is |
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| 01:08.55 | pipeline | siimo: No. |
| 01:08.57 | Ungy | omi you want to install into a directory without formating? |
| 01:08.59 | jonas23 | just put it on the mbr, right? |
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| 01:09.00 | pipeline | siimo: If it is, file a bug report. |
| 01:09.27 | siimo | pipeline, no i am checking before install, as in repositories some things are missing like gnome-panel is still 2.12 |
| 01:09.28 | Ungy | jonas23 but it does matter if it can find read and write to /boot |
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| 01:09.38 | jonas23 | boot isn't on a raid |
| 01:09.48 | hendry | gravity: startx still bombs out |
| 01:09.56 | pipeline | siimo: It's fine. |
| 01:10.02 | Ungy | jonas so you can mount and edit it? |
| 01:10.03 | jonas23 | plus |
| 01:10.06 | jonas23 | you told me to reboot |
| 01:10.08 | jonas23 | to boot off the disk |
| 01:10.14 | jonas23 | so now i'd have to reinstall to satisfy all of the requirements |
| 01:10.26 | Ungy | yes you can get to prompt into a shell of the disk |
| 01:10.27 | jonas23 | mount and edit boot? |
| 01:10.44 | jonas23 | Ungy, i'm sorry i don't understand what you mean by that (or what to even google to find out how) |
| 01:11.17 | Ungy | can you mount and edit boot from a prompt? |
| 01:11.40 | hendry | gravity: I can mail you -x output of startx. As it doesn't make sense to me... |
| 01:11.46 | Toast | WHY THE *!@)( WOULD THEY MAKE IT SO I CNAT UNDELETE!! ANGER AND HAT!!! |
| 01:11.48 | jonas23 | i guess |
| 01:11.59 | jonas23 | what does 'edit boot' mean |
| 01:12.06 | jonas23 | and i'm sorry but that isn't going to do me a lick of good |
| 01:12.11 | Ungy | Toast if you do an rm you get prompts |
| 01:12.12 | jonas23 | because there isn't a boot loader installed |
| 01:12.25 | Ungy | Toast if you tell it not to your fault |
| 01:12.27 | Angels2 | Toast: thats why backups are so important :) |
| 01:12.32 | Toast | i'm just angry |
| 01:12.51 | Toast | ::cries:: |
| 01:12.53 | Angels2 | jonas23: edit /boot :P |
| 01:13.04 | Ungy | Toast and anyways you can make an alias to turn rm into a mv command to always move to a recycle bin ;-) |
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| 01:13.18 | Angels2 | jonas23: but i guess you already have a working menu.lst configuration |
| 01:13.22 | jonas23 | yes |
| 01:13.22 | gravity | hendry: Could you just file a bug report please? |
| 01:13.23 | Ungy | jonas you need a boot manager to edit boot? |
| 01:13.25 | jonas23 | and system.map is fine |
| 01:13.30 | jonas23 | what is "edit /boot" |
| 01:13.35 | jonas23 | please explain this :( |
| 01:13.41 | jonas23 | that is a directory |
| 01:13.43 | magyar | where could i get a deb for transcode? |
| 01:14.06 | jonas23 | let us reframe my problem because i don't think you understand it |
| 01:14.10 | Angels2 | jonas23: /boot is a directory on "most" system where boot eseential files are located ... like the kernel, imagermd, grub config.. etc |
| 01:14.23 | jonas23 | suppose you have a completely working installed system |
| 01:14.26 | jonas23 | and i nuke your MBR |
| 01:14.30 | jonas23 | how do you fix it with the netinst cd? |
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| 01:14.53 | jonas23 | if the answer is "you can't" |
| 01:14.59 | jonas23 | then i can go to sleep and fiddle with it tomorrow |
| 01:15.04 | Angels2 | boot the "rescue" cd, mount the harddisk, chroot ... install the bootmanager again to the mbrb |
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| 01:15.11 | Angels2 | ah typos... getting to tired |
| 01:15.15 | jonas23 | Angels2, i don't know what rescue cd is |
| 01:15.21 | jonas23 | but the chroot on this netinst cd is worthless |
| 01:15.30 | jonas23 | i know a few ways i can fix this |
| 01:15.38 | Angels2 | rescue cd is a any cd which can boot a small linux system... even if it is an installer cd... |
| 01:15.54 | jonas23 | well telling me to "just go get knoppix" doesn't solve my problem |
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| 01:16.08 | jonas23 | i mean, i know i can get grub installed doing that |
| 01:16.17 | Angels2 | okay... go get .. uhm *pick-a-random-distribution* |
| 01:16.35 | jonas23 | it's just unbelievable to me that if whatever joe-automatic grub installer fails you are totally hosed and have to get another cd |
| 01:16.44 | jonas23 | grub is right there on the cd |
| 01:16.48 | jonas23 | the installer is obviously running it |
| 01:16.53 | jonas23 | so LET ME AT IT :) |
| 01:16.53 | hendry | gravity: ok |
| 01:17.33 | Angels2 | jonas... if it is the net cd installer i guess it is NOT on the cd but gets grabbed on installation time |
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| 01:19.43 | hendry | gravity: it says my xbase-clients (where startx is from) is newer than that in Debian! |
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| 01:21.15 | VolVE | hey all, so if I want to poke around a harddrive with a hex editor it try and figure out what files I might possibly be able to salvage (long story) what tool is good for that? |
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| 01:21.53 | gravity | Baka61117: Stop that |
| 01:22.02 | pipeline | VolVE: dd and bvi |
| 01:22.02 | gravity | hendry: That's... odd. What version of xbase-clients do you have installed? |
| 01:22.15 | VolVE | bvi? hmm, interesting, thanks |
| 01:23.27 | menko | hellloooo, I have copied some .fon files (for courier font) from a windows installation. The fonts don't show up in abiword or openoffice, but they do in opera and nedit. Anybody know how to rectify this? |
| 01:24.09 | VolVE | pipeline: any idea why I only get 19 and a half lines of hex when I run: bvi -R /dev/sda ? :-/ |
| 01:24.13 | VolVE | (300GB drive) |
| 01:24.38 | hendry | gravity: i've just mailed xtra info on 366001 |
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| 01:24.55 | gravity | hendry: Ok, cool |
| 01:25.13 | gravity | hendry: I don't maintain the synaptics driver, so it could really be an issue with that that I'm not aware of |
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| 01:25.21 | gravity | But I doubt it, since startx is mine |
| 01:25.23 | menko | I copied them to ~/.fonts |
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| 01:27.02 | jonas23 | okay so it's been decided that grub failing to auto install is a completely fatal flaw that can't be fixed by netinst |
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| 01:27.17 | jonas23 | i'm going to write a bug report because that's completely braindead |
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| 01:30.20 | omi | Ungy: Close, but not a directory, I want to have functionality to create a file (lets say 2GB) make ext3 fs on it, mount it, and install there, BUT as an option :D |
| 01:31.35 | menko | do I have to convert the .fon file to something else? |
| 01:32.11 | pipeline | VolVE: You can't open a 300G device in bvi :P |
| 01:32.17 | pipeline | VolVE: You'll have to open it block-by-block |
| 01:32.28 | VolVE | pipeline: and how would I do that... ? |
| 01:32.33 | pipeline | VolVE: dd :P |
| 01:32.38 | pipeline | VolVE: Let me guess, you're using reiserFS? |
| 01:32.43 | VolVE | nope |
| 01:32.53 | VolVE | LVM2+XFS |
| 01:32.55 | pipeline | VolVE: Then why are you doing this the hard way? |
| 01:32.55 | VolVE | bad drive though |
| 01:33.01 | pipeline | VolVE: XFS actually has recovery tools. |
| 01:33.04 | VolVE | I know |
| 01:33.08 | VolVE | but I have a bad drive |
| 01:33.10 | VolVE | like, really bad |
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| 01:33.17 | pipeline | So pull the bad drive and recover the remnants.... |
| 01:33.18 | VolVE | errors up the wazoo |
| 01:33.22 | VolVE | I'm trying |
| 01:33.22 | zuhause01 | good evening |
| 01:33.30 | VolVE | I've been running ddrescue for _2 weeks_ |
| 01:33.39 | VolVE | and so far I think I've only gotten a little over 100GB off |
| 01:34.11 | VolVE | so, I'm down to going over it by hand to see if I even care enough about the rest of the data :-/ |
| 01:34.16 | zuhause01 | i am having trouble mounting my floppy drive, punched in fdmount /dev/fd0...but no results, anybody an idea |
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| 01:34.44 | liable | what does LD_PRELOAD do? |
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| 01:36.15 | pipeline | VolVE: Pull the DRIVE |
| 01:36.21 | pipeline | VolVE: Remove the bad drive entirely |
| 01:36.39 | VolVE | ...and? |
| 01:36.41 | VolVE | :-/ |
| 01:36.47 | pipeline | VolVE: Your LVM will have most of its blocks missing :P |
| 01:37.08 | VolVE | this particular volumne group is deactivated right now |
| 01:37.10 | pipeline | VolVE: If you got 100G out of a 300G concatenated array, well, you're doing pretty damn good. That's about as well as you could possibly do. |
| 01:37.21 | VolVE | it's not a 300GB array |
| 01:37.28 | VolVE | it's a 300GB disk in a 1.4TB LVM |
| 01:37.34 | VolVE | well, VG rather |
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| 01:38.17 | zuhause01 | cd/.... |
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| 01:39.32 | LoneWlf791 | mkimapdcert fails when trying to make a mail host certficate saying "unable to find 'distinguished name' in config', help? |
| 01:39.45 | spfdz | how do i search unstable packages with apt? |
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| 01:40.32 | gravity | hendry: Are you able to add anything a little more meaningful to your bug report? Is there anything in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 01:40.41 | cheal | spfdz: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 01:41.04 | gravity | hendry: It's pretty clear that you have a different bug report if you put Xsession back and it still doesn't work |
| 01:41.21 | spfdz | well im trying to get the latest firefox/thunderbird with "apt-get -t unstable mozilla-firefox/thunderbird" but it says i have the latest package, was wondering if it was renamed or something so I figure I'd search for it. |
| 01:41.36 | zuhause01 | i am having trouble mounting my floppy drive, punched in fdmount /dev/fd0...but no results, anybody an idea |
| 01:41.56 | cheal | spfdz: if you have unstable APT sources, $ apt-cache search firefox |
| 01:41.58 | zuhause01 | also tried fdmount /media/floppy0 |
| 01:42.17 | LoneWlf791 | zuhause01: tried just mount -t fat32 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy? |
| 01:42.26 | LoneWlf791 | I think it's fat32 anyways... |
| 01:42.27 | stoned | cfat |
| 01:42.30 | stoned | vfat*& |
| 01:42.32 | LoneWlf791 | Ah, there ya go. |
| 01:42.33 | stoned | doh fuxking keyboartd |
| 01:42.36 | stoned | I swear to god |
| 01:42.37 | spfdz | cheal: when you say unstable apt sources, are you regarding to sources.list? |
| 01:42.49 | stoned | filesystem type is vfat for both fat16/fat32 |
| 01:42.58 | LoneWlf791 | Yeah, I remember now. |
| 01:43.03 | cheal | spfdz: yes |
| 01:43.12 | LoneWlf791 | Hey stoned, you have any idea about my certificate problem? |
| 01:43.26 | stoned | no dude I jsut got home and now Im rolling ab lunt |
| 01:43.32 | LoneWlf791 | Rofl. |
| 01:43.34 | LoneWlf791 | Okay then. |
| 01:43.35 | stoned | I just peeked in saw I could respond, so I did |
| 01:43.46 | spfdz | cheal: oh, I guess probably not then. I just assumed most repositorys have the unstable one. Do I need to add anything to the end of the url address? (ie. I normally add "sarge main contrib etc.." |
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| 01:43.58 | LoneWlf791 | Anyone here think they can help with a certificate error with postfix then? |
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| 01:44.32 | mhall | I have a file with some invalid character in it somewhere which is making recode bomb. How do I locate the character? |
| 01:44.40 | cheal | spfdz: the URL usually stays the same, but "sarge" obviously won't provide unstable sources |
| 01:44.50 | cjfp | i'm trying to install Etch from the beta 2 install, pcmcia was fine for the install but on booting it doesn't work. |
| 01:45.41 | cjfp | i looked at /etc/network/interfaces but i didn't know what to add, if anything |
| 01:46.46 | cjfp | i also tried setting up /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts the way it used to work under 2.6.12 |
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| 01:48.42 | liable | gravity: should libgl1-mesa-dri be a depends on one of the xorg packages? I had to install it to get direct rendering. |
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| 01:49.22 | mmartinn | Is there any quick way figure out what debian stable CD has a specific package on it? |
| 01:49.42 | cjfp | I saw 1.6 at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage?action=highlight&value=pcmcia |
| 01:49.50 | cheal | !tell mmartinn about cd contents |
| 01:49.52 | jmd_ | When I do aptitude install <anything> it tries to remove emacs because it's "unused". What's going on? |
| 01:50.29 | mmartinn | cheal: thanks... I hadn't expected it to be on jigdo |
| 01:50.33 | mbishop | jmd_: emacs? emacs21? or emacs21-bin-common? |
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| 01:50.47 | jmd_ | mbishop: emacs21 |
| 01:50.59 | cjfp | I have mapping eth1\ script grep, it says I should have mapping hotplug\ script echo, but I also have allow-hotplug eth1 below... |
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| 01:51.19 | mbishop | jmd_: hmm, for me, emacs21 doesn't want to install, because it can't get emacs21-bin-common because it's a revision behind |
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| 01:51.42 | jmd_ | testing has been totally broken recently. |
| 01:51.51 | cjfp | no kidding |
| 01:51.52 | mbishop | I'm on unstable |
| 01:52.05 | jmd_ | Next question: Where the hell has amaya gone to? |
| 01:52.41 | liable | !why is amaya not in testing |
| 01:52.41 | dpkg | amaya is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amaya |
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| 01:53.16 | dondelelcaro | if you have problems in testing, make sure that bugs have been filed. |
| 01:53.32 | dondelelcaro | if bugs are filed, figure out what the porblem is, and file patches, so that the problems can actually be fixed. |
| 01:53.45 | gravity | liable: It should be... could you file a bug against xlibmesa-gl that the compatibility package doesn't pull it in? I'll decide what to do about it then |
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| 01:54.28 | spfdz | cheal: hmm thanks! i added backports.org to my sources.list and did a apt-get upgrade and got a ton of updates :) |
| 01:54.39 | jmd_ | liable: That doesn't seem to offer an explanation. Is *was* in testing. So why did it get removed? |
| 01:55.10 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: if a package has RC bugs and they haven't been fixed, it gets removed from testing. |
| 01:55.16 | cheal | spfdz: you did an # apt-get upgrade? it's # apt-get update; which you want to do |
| 01:55.20 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: we try to keep testing in a ststate such that it is almost always releaseable. |
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| 01:55.38 | liable | gravity: sure |
| 01:55.50 | cheal | *almost* (*) |
| 01:55.50 | spfdz | cheal: well first update, then upgrade |
| 01:55.56 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: It doesn't seem to be anywhere near such a state right now. |
| 01:56.14 | spfdz | cheal: interested in having the latest packages heh (hopefully i didn't do that wrong) |
| 01:56.18 | cjfp | how often should i repeat my pcmcia question, if ever? |
| 01:56.22 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: that's why there are still RC bugs open. again, if there's a problem, file or fix bugs. |
| 01:56.31 | cheal | spfdz: # apt-get upgrade; actually upgrades your system. it has nothing to do with allowing you to search unstable packages |
| 01:56.34 | gravity | liable: Thanks |
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| 01:56.48 | spfdz | cheal: crap, i thought it upgrades the packages. |
| 01:57.04 | cheal | spfdz: it does that |
| 01:57.14 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: I wonder why debian doesn't change its development model. |
| 01:57.17 | spfdz | cheal: i don't mind then. I prefer to get like office 2.0 and stuff |
| 01:57.25 | cheal | spfdz: anyway, according to what you said, it's too late. I just wish you that didn't upgrade too much stuff |
| 01:57.26 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: uh... what in the world would it change? |
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| 01:57.56 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: in amaya's case, it's #357439 that caused that package to be removed from testing. If you want to help out, figure out why that is happening, and create a patch for it. |
| 01:57.56 | spfdz | cheal well: actually its still downloading the packages, it hasnt installed it (80%) |
| 01:57.59 | jmd_ | Rather than put things in testing, and hope that somebody stumbles across all the bugs and hope that somebody else fixes them. |
| 01:58.01 | jmd_ | ... |
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| 01:58.15 | liable | hrm, thats interesting, reportbug is telling me that my xlibmesa-gl is newer than whats in debian. |
| 01:58.18 | jmd_ | I would use s test driven development |
| 01:58.39 | gravity | reportbug must be broken... someone else mentioned something similar |
| 01:58.40 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: we have some automated tests that are run, and maintainers are supposed to test their packages. |
| 01:58.47 | mhall | BAD BAD BAD command to run: g++ -o repair.cpp repair.cpp |
| 01:58.54 | cjfp | i'm happy to file a bug, but i don't even know what to file. |
| 01:58.54 | jmd_ | so that whenever anything gets put into "tested" it has indeed been tested. |
| 01:59.00 | dondelelcaro | liable: reportbug uses the bts ldap interface, so it's possible that it's behind the mirrors |
| 01:59.18 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: things in testing have presumably been in use for at leat 10 days... sometimes that's not enough to have fixed all the bugs. |
| 01:59.24 | liable | dondelelcaro: right, thanks. |
| 01:59.47 | dondelelcaro | liable: I wouldn't really worry about that warning, so long as you know that the version you're using is actually in Debian. |
| 02:00.37 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: if no one cares enough about the package to have actually used it in unstable, there's not much that can be done. When the bugs are found, the package is either fixed or removed from testing. |
| 02:00.44 | cjfp | My pcmcia card does not work in a new Etch install, although the installer had it working just fine... |
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| 02:00.51 | cjfp | Do I file a bug against the installer? |
| 02:01.03 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: if it was working in the installer, it's probably not a bug in d-i... |
| 02:01.15 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: do you see the insertion events for the pcmcia card in dmesg? |
| 02:01.20 | cjfp | yes |
| 02:01.30 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: The way I work on large projects is 1) start with a set of system tests. Before anything gets committed, all system tests are run with the proposed changes. When it's passed the tests ONLY THEN does it get committed. |
| 02:01.33 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: does the appropriate driver for the card get loaded? check lspci (and/or dmesg) |
| 02:01.38 | jmd_ | Debian follows a different model: |
| 02:01.49 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: in the cases where those tests exist, we run them. |
| 02:01.57 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: not all of the packages in Debian have tests like that. |
| 02:02.09 | jmd_ | developers commit anything they like perhaps after having performed some ad hoc tests. |
| 02:02.12 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: i don't think so... it's a network card. |
| 02:02.31 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: hrm... what type of network card? |
| 02:02.44 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: do you see it in ifconfig -a? |
| 02:02.49 | jmd_ | After it's been committed they hope that any problems will surface and be fixed retrospectively. |
| 02:02.49 | cjfp | orinoco gold (agere/lucent) |
| 02:03.12 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: oh... lsmod should show the orinoco driver loaded. |
| 02:03.39 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: no... maintainers do testing before they make uploads. |
| 02:03.39 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: yes, orinoco, orinoco_cs are loaded |
| 02:03.55 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: ok... then the driver is probably up and working then. Do you see the interface when you ifconfig -a? |
| 02:04.26 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: it used to be eth0 (2.6.12 and old etch install). now i only see wifi0 which i've never seen before. |
| 02:04.30 | guess2 | damn, my sound suddently stops working, wtf? |
| 02:04.33 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: ah... that's it. |
| 02:04.45 | cjfp | s/eth0/eth1/ |
| 02:04.48 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: I'm sure some do. I wonder if the maintainer of glibc tests all packages which depend upon it prior to uploading ? |
| 02:04.50 | dvs | guess2: I can't hear you. ;-) |
| 02:04.59 | guess2 | i think after i uninstalled KDE |
| 02:05.00 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: that's impossible to test. |
| 02:05.27 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: since even testing them all woudln't be enough; you'd have to test them on all architectures. |
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| 02:05.49 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: the most we can do is see if the library works with it's test suite, and check to see if there are any abi/api incompatibilities that have been introduced. |
| 02:05.50 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: Indeed. |
| 02:06.21 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: if someone were to create such a test suite, we'd definetly run it, but there's only so much testing that can be done given the manpower that we have available |
| 02:06.58 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, you'll probably find that we do more testing of the things that we distribute than any other distribution, as we've got a large number of automated testing setups, like lintian, linda, piuparts, etc.) |
| 02:07.06 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: note, i also get a bunch of wifi0 error messages when i plug in the card |
| 02:07.17 | jmd_ | Testing shouldn't take any manpower (well hardly any). It might take a lot of CPU time. |
| 02:07.26 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: it takes manpower to write the tests |
| 02:07.52 | dondelelcaro | we already run a significant number of the automated tests that we've got. |
| 02:07.56 | jmd_ | True. And I always tell my students that writing their tests should be about 65% of the total effort. |
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| 02:08.22 | jmd_ | 30% is design and documentation the remaining 5% is coding. |
| 02:08.24 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: right, but most of that effort needs to be put upstream, not in Debian itself, as many of the bugs that we've got are actually upstream bugs. |
| 02:08.34 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:09.01 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: Well that certainly could be true. |
| 02:09.08 | dondelelcaro | testing isn't sexy, and so most people who don't have a lot of time aren't going to bother to write tests. |
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| 02:09.42 | dondelelcaro | at least, not until they realize that they're spending more time tracking down reversion bugs than making new code... |
| 02:10.23 | guess2 | how come my sound stops working after i uninstalled KDE, im using Gnome |
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| 02:10.44 | cjfp | writing tests first motivates you to write tests (and code), but obviously it sucks to do it after the fact for code you know works. |
| 02:11.03 | jmd_ | Anyway it seems like aptitude insisting on removing emacs whenever I attempt to install something is a not an upstream problem...? |
| 02:11.30 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: uh... it'd help if you'd actually tell us what the problem is... yes, there are bugs, and yes we can fix them here.. |
| 02:11.55 | jmd_ | I thought I did ... about 10 mins ago. |
| 02:12.05 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: which version of emacs is it trying to remove? what happens when you tell it to install it explicitely? |
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| 02:13.04 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: i don't know if it was clear---i see wifi0 in ifconfig -a, but that doesn't mean it works :-( |
| 02:13.07 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: When I type " aptitude install vi" |
| 02:13.14 | dvs | ah aptitude |
| 02:13.19 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.19 | jmd_ | I get "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 02:13.19 | jmd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.19 | jmd_ | " |
| 02:13.41 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: see the key word there: unused? go aptitude install vi emacs21; |
| 02:13.56 | dondelelcaro | (or, aptitude unmarkauto emacs21) |
| 02:14.32 | dondelelcaro | for some reason, emacs21 had been automatically installed, and now nothing depends upon it. |
| 02:15.06 | johnsu01 | emacs21, unused? for shame! ;) |
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| 02:15.30 | jmd_ | dondelelcaro: OK. Thanks. (never had to do that before). |
| 02:15.48 | jmd_ | btw 365668 doesn't seem to be relevant. |
| 02:16.08 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: not in this case, no. |
| 02:16.30 | guess2 | how come my sound stops working after i uninstalled KDE, im using Gnome |
| 02:16.52 | dondelelcaro | guess2: stops working in what way? what happens when you cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp? |
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| 02:18.22 | guess2 | cat: write error: No such device or address |
| 02:18.39 | dondelelcaro | guess2: does /dev/dsp0 exist? have you loaded snd_oss? |
| 02:19.13 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: i mean, i used to play mp3s everyday, but it stops working after i uninstalled KDE though i aint using KDE |
| 02:19.25 | guess2 | bash: cd: /dev/dsp0: No such file or directory |
| 02:20.29 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 02:20.58 | dondelelcaro | guess2: it's not a directory; stat /dev/dsp0; if it doesn't exist, then you haven't loaded snd_oss, and you may not have the alsa sound module loaded |
| 02:21.25 | jmd_ | Why have my gnome menus suddenly lost their pictograms |
| 02:21.27 | guess2 | stat: cannot stat `/dev/dsp0': No such file or directory |
| 02:21.37 | guess2 | what's the package name for alsa |
| 02:21.50 | dvs | guess2: alsa-base |
| 02:21.59 | guess2 | as i said, i play mp3s everyday, it starts fucking up after i uninstalled KDE |
| 02:22.00 | dondelelcaro | guess2: it's not a package that you need; it's the modules |
| 02:22.16 | dondelelcaro | guess2: that's great, and has nothing to do with your problem.. |
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| 02:23.25 | guess2 | nope |
| 02:23.38 | guess2 | i installed it, still not playing |
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| 02:24.01 | jmd_ | Why is it, that aptitude show libpng10-0 tells me all about that package, but aptitude install libpng10-0 denies that such a package exists? |
| 02:24.53 | dvs | you're using aptitude. 'nuff said |
| 02:25.30 | cjfp | Ok, what do I file this bug report against? Sorry, I'm just completely lost here. |
| 02:25.39 | guess2 | but, when i use my mic and speak, i can hear my voice |
| 02:25.43 | cjfp | Against pcmcia-cs? |
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| 02:26.56 | cjfp | And what's the subject? `pcmcia network card insertion fails in new debian etch install'? |
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| 02:27.51 | guess2 | anyone know? |
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| 02:28.07 | cjfp | guess2: dondelelcaro said it was the modules |
| 02:28.26 | cjfp | guess2: you could try asking on #alsa |
| 02:28.32 | spfdz | When selecting a filesystem in fdisk, is "Linux" considerd "ext3?" |
| 02:28.47 | anabain | is there any command line prog to perform string substitution on a file as input/argument to the prog? |
| 02:28.48 | DragonD | how can i use a php script or cgi script to start something on my debain server? |
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| 02:29.10 | cjfp | anabain: sed? |
| 02:29.18 | cjfp | anabain: awk? |
| 02:29.35 | dondelelcaro | guess2: that doesn't matter... you need to load the proper modules. Most soundcards by default do in card looping of the mic to the speakers |
| 02:29.43 | anabain | ok, thanx, cjfp |
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| 02:29.55 | guess2 | but that shit WAS working |
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| 02:29.57 | cjfp | anabain: i like awk better |
| 02:29.59 | guess2 | yesterday |
| 02:30.13 | guess2 | all i did was uninstalled KDE then it fucks it up |
| 02:30.14 | guess2 | :/ |
| 02:30.19 | Kupal[]_ | drbd is stalling.. i could use some help |
| 02:30.33 | ryan` | can you read SD cards under linux? |
| 02:30.42 | dondelelcaro | ryan`: with the right hardware, yes. |
| 02:30.42 | cjfp | guess2: KDE is huge, lots of things might have happened. you could try installing KDE again......... |
| 02:31.01 | ryan` | dondelelcaro: like a standard USB SD card reader will work? |
| 02:31.07 | dondelelcaro | ryan`: it should, yes. |
| 02:31.14 | dondelelcaro | guess2: again, that has little to do with the actual problem. Give us the output of lsmod, and make sure that you've loaded snd_oss |
| 02:31.22 | guess2 | cjfp: but i wasn't using kde though |
| 02:31.23 | ryan` | there's not any crypto crap on it that will cause me pain? |
| 02:31.29 | guess2 | i was on gnome when i uninstalled kde |
| 02:31.38 | dondelelcaro | ryan`: since a good usb sd card reader should just appear like a usb ms device... |
| 02:31.48 | anabain | cjfp, ok |
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| 02:32.25 | CompWizrd | if you have one of those all in one card readers, you might need multiple lun support in your kernel |
| 02:32.39 | CompWizrd | learend that the hard way after beating the hell out of my machine because it would only see the CF slot and not the others :) |
| 02:32.57 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: http://pa.labok.be:31337/lsmod.txt |
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| 02:33.34 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: take a look |
| 02:34.05 | Ugly_Duck | is there away of finding out what drives are attatched to my system, i know i've got 3 sata drives and one ata drive |
| 02:34.24 | Ugly_Duck | fdisk -l /dev/sdc <-- shows a drive |
| 02:34.46 | dondelelcaro | guess2: so run alsamixer, and make sure that you've got the levels up, and modprobe snd_oss; so you can check by cat'ing urandom to /dev/dsp0 |
| 02:35.08 | guess2 | there's no /dev/dsp0 |
| 02:35.12 | guess2 | but there's /dev/dsp |
| 02:35.21 | stew | Ugly_Duck: "fdisk -l" without listing any drives should list all known partitions on any drives |
| 02:35.24 | cjfp | guess2: did you modprobe snd_oss? |
| 02:35.34 | Ugly_Duck | stew: ahh ok |
| 02:35.34 | guess2 | how do you do that? |
| 02:35.37 | peterS | cjfp: surely you mean snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:35.47 | cjfp | peterS: i'm echoing dondelelcaro |
| 02:35.53 | dondelelcaro | peterS: err... yeah. |
| 02:36.20 | cjfp | guess2: su, then type modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:36.21 | Ugly_Duck | /dev/sdb1 1 484521 244198552+ 42 SFS |
| 02:36.27 | Ugly_Duck | sfs file system? |
| 02:36.48 | stew | Ugly_Duck: fdisk -l doesn't list filesystems, but partition types |
| 02:36.53 | peterS | Ugly_Duck: that means Windows 2000 "dynamic disk" |
| 02:37.14 | Ugly_Duck | peterS: oh ok, how do i mount that then? |
| 02:37.23 | guess2 | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 02:37.34 | stew | guess2: as root. it's in /sbin/ |
| 02:37.34 | peterS | Ugly_Duck: it's a partitioning scheme introduced with win2000. your kernel has to support it, which I thought all modern kernels did |
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| 02:37.46 | jshriver | greetings |
| 02:37.49 | stew | Ugly_Duck: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 02:37.51 | Ugly_Duck | peterS: oh typical, thanks |
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| 02:38.05 | Ugly_Duck | 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 02:38.11 | jshriver | how do you find the /dev for a USB device? trying to use a scanner.. works fine under xscanimage but scanimage wants a /dev but scanimage -L yields avision:libusb:001:007 |
| 02:38.13 | peterS | Ugly_Duck: 'fdisk -l' will not know about it, I suspect. 'cat /proc/partitions' probably will, so that'll look a bit different |
| 02:38.30 | stew | peterS: i thought fdisk -l was fed by /proc/partitions? |
| 02:38.37 | peterS | stew: no, it reads the disk directly |
| 02:39.08 | cjfp | ok, seriously, should i just install sarge until etch sorts out this apparent pcmcia-cs deprecation issue? |
| 02:39.15 | stew | peterS: fdisk(8) disagrees |
| 02:39.37 | guess2 | nope |
| 02:39.42 | guess2 | mp3 is not playing |
| 02:39.53 | cjfp | all i need is a machine i can use; i blew away my old etch install after dist-upgrade made things annoying (that was a little bit dumb). |
| 02:39.57 | peterS | stew: not my copy, my copy says it just gets the disks from /proc/partitions, if you don't specify a disk |
| 02:40.14 | itguy | how can i exit from my GUI |
| 02:40.26 | peterS | stew: /proc/partitions doesn't have enough information in it to feed the 'fdisk -l' output anyway |
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| 02:40.42 | stew | peterS: ahh, i see, gets the disks from /proc/partitions then reads the partitions partabled directly |
| 02:40.58 | Ugly_Duck | it lists sdb1 & sdc1 |
| 02:40.59 | peterS | yeah |
| 02:43.52 | cjfp | Ok, what am I meant to do with the following information? |
| 02:43.59 | cjfp | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage?#head-aa812441fd24a14b1aa26681a2c6910c53609f6e |
| 02:44.19 | cjfp | I added "mapping hotplug\ script echo" to /etc/network/interfaces but it didn't fix anything. |
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| 02:44.58 | dondelelcaro | guess2: now that you've loaded it, run alsamixer, and make sure your levels are up. |
| 02:45.08 | dondelelcaro | guess2: if they are, then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp0; |
| 02:45.32 | guess2 | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 02:47.52 | Ugly_Duck | sfs-client - Self-Certifying File System client |
| 02:48.00 | Ugly_Duck | is this what we're talkiung about |
| 02:48.08 | dondelelcaro | guess2: what is the output of ls -l /proc/asound/ : |
| 02:48.15 | dondelelcaro | s/:/?/ |
| 02:48.17 | Ugly_Duck | debian has a few packages listed |
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| 02:48.57 | guess2 | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-05-04 22:48 cards |
| 02:48.57 | guess2 | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-05-04 22:48 devices |
| 02:48.57 | guess2 | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-05-04 22:48 modules |
| 02:48.57 | guess2 | dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-05-04 22:48 oss |
| 02:48.57 | guess2 | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-05-04 22:48 pcm |
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| 02:49.14 | guess2 | ooopppss |
| 02:49.16 | guess2 | my fault |
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| 02:49.55 | myboxen | I am currently using the default debian terminal, however I am unable to make it switch t oa black background. Can someone recommend a GNU terminal that I supports that. |
| 02:50.06 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: see it? |
| 02:50.40 | dondelelcaro | guess2: where have you put it? |
| 02:51.04 | guess2 | did you see what i paste? |
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| 02:51.18 | dondelelcaro | guess2: you were ejected from the channel. Use a paste site or #flood |
| 02:51.25 | cjfp | myboxen: you mean gnome-terminal? it's not hard. |
| 02:51.34 | guess2 | wait a sec |
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| 02:52.47 | guess2 | http://pa.labok.be:31337/asound.txt |
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| 02:53.37 | dondelelcaro | guess2: for whatever reason, your card isn't listed there. Did you upgrade kernels or something too? |
| 02:54.00 | mmartinn | Anyone experience fdutils package being corrupted on cd image installs of Sarge? It's the 2nd image of cd 1 I've downloaded with the same problem. |
| 02:54.01 | cjfp | myboxen: it's some preferences option in "current profile", you have to untick "use system colours" or something like that and set it to "white on black text" |
| 02:54.24 | guess2 | yeah, after i upgraded, i could still hear music |
| 02:54.51 | dondelelcaro | guess2: let me guess... you didn't restart. |
| 02:54.58 | guess2 | lol |
| 02:55.00 | guess2 | i did |
| 02:55.08 | guess2 | im using the kernel now |
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| 02:56.18 | myboxen | cjfp: aye |
| 02:56.22 | myboxen | I never dug that up |
| 02:56.29 | myboxen | it was usually in the menu, |
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| 02:57.31 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: what you think? |
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| 02:57.38 | siimo | hi i just installed itch and theres only like 5-6 fonts for some reason the default fonts aren't showing up can anyone help please? |
| 02:57.54 | gravity | heh, itch |
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| 02:58.03 | dondelelcaro | guess2: the problem is that either you don't have the right module for your sound card loaded, or it's stopped supporting your card... |
| 02:58.17 | dondelelcaro | guess2: if you had the right one loaded, you'd see the card in /proc/asound |
| 02:58.24 | complexity | How can I recover lost files please help! |
| 02:58.30 | guess2 | stopped? it was working yesterday |
| 02:58.33 | dondelelcaro | complexity: if you're using ext2, with e2undel |
| 02:58.47 | complexity | how can i find out if i am? |
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| 02:59.18 | dondelelcaro | complexity: /proc/mounts will tell you, as will mount |
| 02:59.59 | dondelelcaro | guess2: give the output for lspci, and check dmesg for any information on your soundcard. |
| 03:00.00 | complexity | i have ext3 |
| 03:00.10 | complexity | will that work? |
| 03:00.14 | SexyKen | I'm installing a new debian box for my house -- I'm debating on installing apache 1.3 or apache2 what do you guys think? |
| 03:00.23 | dondelelcaro | complexity: no, unfortunatly. |
| 03:00.24 | guess2 | 0000:01:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) |
| 03:00.28 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: its there |
| 03:00.57 | complexity | dondelelcaro: hehe, any other ideas? |
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| 03:01.33 | dondelelcaro | guess2: try modprobe -r snd_maestro3; modprobe snd_maestro3; |
| 03:01.36 | complexity | i love how there all for windows |
| 03:02.16 | dondelelcaro | complexity: the ony way is to mount the filesystem ro, and try instantly with e2undel and hope that you can recover the file |
| 03:02.18 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: matter of fact, it was working earlier, i aint gotta like, i was watching porn |
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| 03:03.31 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: ok man, so i take it you have no idea about the pcmcia network card, correct? |
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| 03:03.55 | siimo | sorry, what package do i install for default set of fonts? on etch theres only about 5 fonts showing up in gnome |
| 03:03.58 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: you had it on wifi0, right? |
| 03:04.05 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: does iwconfig wifi0; report useful information? |
| 03:04.23 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: rebooting now to see... |
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| 03:04.40 | dondelelcaro | siimo: xfonts-base should give you the base set of fonts |
| 03:04.45 | cjfp | (X is also dead, and if I ALT-F1 before logging in the machine dies) |
| 03:05.03 | dragonfly | hey all, if i put together a box with a sata HD as the only hd will it still work ok with debian or will i have to do a bunch of shit that could be avoided by using ide |
| 03:05.37 | dondelelcaro | dragonfly: it'll work if you use one of the newer d-i's... it'll also work with the sarge d-i's and selected hardware. |
| 03:05.56 | siimo | dondelelcaro, thanks dude i have it installed though? for some reason the font db isnt updated? |
| 03:06.09 | dragonfly | i haven't looked lately, but i was plannin on downloading the newest net-install disk |
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| 03:06.39 | jtanoos | averyyy.. no, atwood! |
| 03:06.42 | dragonfly | but if i get the latest stable i should be ok? |
| 03:06.48 | dondelelcaro | siimo: if you have any fonts, it's installed... |
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| 03:06.58 | guess2 | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 03:07.05 | jtanoos | where's zood? |
| 03:07.07 | dondelelcaro | siimo: all the other fonts are in separate packages, so there's really not a default set of fonts. |
| 03:07.43 | peso_argento | zood! we miss you! |
| 03:07.53 | dragonfly | dondelelcaro: i would be ok if i download the latest stable net-install disk? |
| 03:08.16 | peso_argento | geez, dragon, is this some sort of hobby for you or something? |
| 03:08.18 | dondelelcaro | dragonfly: no, it'd have to be one of the beta d-i disks |
| 03:08.29 | dondelelcaro | peso_argento: ? |
| 03:08.39 | peso_argento | hahah, he was on last night too |
| 03:08.53 | dondelelcaro | so were lots of people... |
| 03:08.57 | peso_argento | just wondering if this is an indication of where i might end up if i continue to come onto this chat |
| 03:09.05 | dragonfly | peso_argento: i wasn't on here last night actually, unless someone was using my nick |
| 03:09.15 | peso_argento | whoa, i think it was another dragon |
| 03:09.17 | peso_argento | sorry bout that |
| 03:09.31 | jtanoos | i already have a reputation around here |
| 03:09.36 | jtanoos | guess i shouldnt change my nick |
| 03:09.37 | jtanoos | hahaha |
| 03:09.46 | unix_infidel | how would i import settings from a file in evolution? |
| 03:09.49 | unix_infidel | specifically which file? |
| 03:09.50 | jtanoos | just so people can identify the crazy guy more easily |
| 03:10.07 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: iwconfig wifi0 shows ESSID: "test", Mode:Master, Freq.:2.457GHz, Access Point: Not-assoc. |
| 03:10.14 | cjfp | do i need to summarize more of it? |
| 03:10.17 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: cool, then it's working... |
| 03:10.31 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: you just need to set the right essid so that it can connect to your AP, and do whatever else you need to do |
| 03:10.38 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 03:10.41 | cjfp | sorry. |
| 03:11.02 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: by either changing the stanza in /etc/network/interfaces so that it says wifi0 instead of eth0/1 or by using iwconfig manually. |
| 03:11.17 | unix_infidel | anyone for the evolution import question? |
| 03:11.18 | jtanoos | iwconfig wifi0 essid "test" |
| 03:11.19 | jtanoos | right? |
| 03:11.32 | jtanoos | maybe not |
| 03:11.40 | jtanoos | im trying out iwconfig too |
| 03:11.46 | jtanoos | and im confused by the terminology |
| 03:12.11 | jtanoos | iwconfig is used to configure your own card and not connect to another network, right? |
| 03:12.24 | dondelelcaro | jtanoos: it's just to configure wireless cards. |
| 03:12.26 | cjfp | ok, i s/eth1/wifi0/ in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 03:12.30 | cjfp | now what? |
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| 03:12.51 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: then an ifup wifi0; should just work |
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| 03:13.03 | jtanoos | but to connect to a network, you wouldnt want to assign the same ESSID to the network card as the ESSID of the network LAN, right? |
| 03:13.21 | jtanoos | or am i wrong on that one? |
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| 03:14.03 | cjfp | wifi0: unknown hardware addr type 801 |
| 03:14.13 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: hrm... that's interesting |
| 03:14.19 | cjfp | ... failed to bring up wifi0 (after many DHCPDISCOVERs) |
| 03:14.29 | cjfp | do i need to set the essid? |
| 03:14.40 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: what do you get if you iwlist wifi0 scan; |
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| 03:14.58 | cjfp | interface doesn't support scanning |
| 03:15.09 | jtanoos | ouch that sucks |
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| 03:15.23 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: hrm... well, then you'll probably have to set the essid manually, or hope that it figures it out correclty |
| 03:15.25 | cjfp | i don't need to---i know the name of my network |
| 03:15.30 | cjfp | ok, where do i set it? |
| 03:15.37 | cjfp | previously it was /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 03:15.40 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: with an iwconfig wifi0 essid foobarbaz |
| 03:15.45 | cjfp | but that seems to be ignored now :( |
| 03:16.38 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: generally, you set it in /etc/network/interfaces with a wireless-essid fooo |
| 03:17.03 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: oh yeah, looks like d-i put it there already... |
| 03:17.17 | cjfp | and my WEP key |
| 03:17.25 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: once you've got that, then iwconfig; and see what shows up. |
| 03:17.39 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: if it hasn't associated, then you're probably not close enough to the AP or something else is screwy |
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| 03:17.54 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: it's something else, but if you insist i'll move my computer... |
| 03:18.23 | jtanoos | cjfp, i was reading that sometimes you have to make sure that the LAN is also configured correctly |
| 03:18.30 | jtanoos | maybe you could try troubleshooting that |
| 03:18.31 | dondelelcaro | jtanoos: that won't matter in this case. |
| 03:18.47 | jtanoos | oh okay, yeah, cjfp im pretty much no help |
| 03:18.47 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: the first thing you need to do is make sure that the card has associated with the network |
| 03:18.49 | jtanoos | just ignore what i say |
| 03:19.03 | cjfp | don't worry jtanoos |
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| 03:19.30 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: yeah... once that happens i think it will be fine. |
| 03:19.49 | cjfp | i'm trying rebooting without my usb hub plugged in |
| 03:20.03 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: just unplug it and plug it back in |
| 03:20.07 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: you don't need to reboot |
| 03:20.11 | cjfp | that stopped networking from working under 2.6.12 and etch |
| 03:20.17 | cjfp | i did previously need too..... |
| 03:20.24 | dondelelcaro | nah |
| 03:20.45 | jtanoos | hey donde, quick question |
| 03:20.46 | cjfp | well, unplug replug wasn't enough, maybe modprobe tricks would have worked |
| 03:21.00 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: you can try... |
| 03:21.13 | jtanoos | if a wireless card can successfully scan, should it also be able to successfully connect given all the settings are correct? |
| 03:21.26 | dondelelcaro | jtanoos: generally |
| 03:21.37 | jtanoos | cool, im on the path to success! |
| 03:21.43 | dondelelcaro | jtanoos: but some cards (early orinocos, FE) don't support scanning even though they can connect |
| 03:22.31 | cjfp | grrr, C-M-F1 from X doesn't work |
| 03:22.35 | Ugly_Duck | ok, any one know about sfs file system? i wana know what packages i need to install so i can access them |
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| 03:24.26 | Ugly_Duck | sysfs-client and common i am guessing |
| 03:24.30 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: damn, i noticed something as the first message after ifup wifi0 |
| 03:24.48 | cjfp | Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : |
| 03:25.02 | cjfp | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.36 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: hrm... it's still wifi0, right? |
| 03:25.42 | cjfp | y |
| 03:25.43 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: ie, it shows up in ifconfig -a; |
| 03:25.53 | cjfp | yes |
| 03:25.54 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: what happens when you set the essid and key manually? |
| 03:26.08 | anabain | I want to do this substitution, \n is newline and the ( is escaped, but it doesn't work. Any ideas?: awk '{ gsub(/pdfIm\nJXM\(WY/, "%pdfIm\nJXM(WY"); print }' |
| 03:26.23 | cjfp | where do I set the key? |
| 03:26.30 | cjfp | essid is already set |
| 03:26.43 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: iwconfig wifi0 key foo; |
| 03:26.51 | jtanoos | anabain, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally |
| 03:27.11 | anabain | jtanoos, ??? |
| 03:27.21 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: that's what gives the invalid argument |
| 03:27.24 | jtanoos | come on, guys, do we need a refresher course? |
| 03:27.36 | jtanoos | ohhh... |
| 03:27.47 | dondelelcaro | anabain: perl -pe 's/(pdfIm\nJXM\(WY)/\%$1/g' |
| 03:28.08 | jtanoos | damn donde, you are like a super gozu guru |
| 03:28.16 | jtanoos | CS major? |
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| 03:28.35 | dondelelcaro | no, I'm a cell biology grad student. |
| 03:28.40 | anabain | ok, dondelelcaro, I'll try |
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| 03:28.47 | jtanoos | just picked up perl for fun? |
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| 03:28.50 | jtanoos | in your spare time? |
| 03:29.01 | dondelelcaro | no, I use it a lot... |
| 03:29.09 | cjfp | hah, i'm a cs phd student and i have no clue about perl |
| 03:29.11 | jtanoos | as if MCB wasnt enough, all round renaissance man |
| 03:29.40 | jtanoos | man, i come in here and realize how humbly I should walk around.. |
| 03:29.56 | jtanoos | CS PhD? whoa, you guys are into like heavy C++ |
| 03:30.12 | jtanoos | hooking up crazy Sun terminals to navigate satellites |
| 03:30.14 | jtanoos | to the moon |
| 03:30.17 | cjfp | no, i don't use C++ |
| 03:30.30 | jtanoos | what do you use? |
| 03:30.34 | cjfp | i feel so lame not being able to configure my network card |
| 03:30.41 | cjfp | c mostly, and java |
| 03:30.45 | jtanoos | cjfp, its not you, its linux |
| 03:30.50 | jtanoos | welcome to the world of linux |
| 03:31.02 | jtanoos | you are a guru, a CS PhD student |
| 03:31.11 | jtanoos | preparing to be sent to Mars |
| 03:31.27 | jtanoos | just hope the dont boot up debian on that space shuttle |
| 03:31.31 | jtanoos | **they |
| 03:31.35 | jtanoos | hahaha |
| 03:31.38 | cjfp | could be worse. |
| 03:31.49 | cjfp | could be gentoo. |
| 03:32.04 | jtanoos | i have a friend who works at a microprocessing design company and she says they have about a dozen staff |
| 03:32.15 | CompWizrd | i'm thinking NASA would be running such a tested debian distro that sarge would look like sid by comparison |
| 03:32.18 | jtanoos | that just maintains their company's redhat comps |
| 03:32.37 | jtanoos | she says no one else really knows what the hell to do |
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| 03:32.41 | jtanoos | when s... hits the fan |
| 03:32.49 | jroes | the guys at nasa just sit around and write in lisp all day |
| 03:32.58 | jtanoos | hahaha lisp? whoa what the hell is htat? |
| 03:33.03 | jtanoos | doesn't sound PC to me |
| 03:33.04 | jtanoos | hahaha |
| 03:33.05 | gravity | ... |
| 03:33.19 | jroes | jtanoos: a functional programming language a lot of people use to write AI software |
| 03:33.24 | jtanoos | no way |
| 03:33.29 | jtanoos | whoa, what's RMS? |
| 03:33.37 | cjfp | someone came up with a brilliant name for an interactive fiction authoring toolkit written in lisp |
| 03:33.37 | jroes | settle down |
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| 03:33.40 | cjfp | "lifp" |
| 03:33.43 | cjfp | hahahaha |
| 03:33.48 | jtanoos | hahaha |
| 03:33.49 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:33.50 | jroes | you are going to get into information overload jtanoos |
| 03:33.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell jtanoos -about rms |
| 03:34.06 | jroes | !tell jroes -about rms |
| 03:34.17 | jroes | oh, hah, stallman |
| 03:34.23 | jtanoos | man, i could barely get my way around qbasic |
| 03:34.27 | cjfp | search rec.arts.int-fiction, you'll see i'm serious |
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| 03:34.39 | gravity | Oh I believe it |
| 03:34.49 | jtanoos | do you have to have one of those virtual reality helmets like in the movies to do programming? |
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| 03:34.51 | gravity | I've met a few interactive fiction people. They'd be all over that name :-) |
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| 03:35.05 | cjfp | ok, this page says the error msg is ignorable (search for harmless): http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-hn/wmp11-linux.htm |
| 03:35.08 | anabain | dondelelcaro, I want to do this with an input file and then output another file: perl -pe 's/(pdfIm\nJXM\(WY)/\%$1/g' how1.ps > HOW.ps is this correct? |
| 03:35.12 | jtanoos | hahahah what ever happened to virtual reality? |
| 03:35.25 | jtanoos | that was the wave of the future in the 90s |
| 03:35.29 | jtanoos | and here we are 2006 |
| 03:35.38 | jtanoos | nobody uses that junk |
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| 03:35.53 | dondelelcaro | anabain: that'll work. |
| 03:35.53 | cjfp | I wrote an IF toolkit that compiles to Petri Nets? Am i cool? |
| 03:36.05 | aatcman | Hi |
| 03:36.16 | dondelelcaro | anabain: you could just perl -pi -e 's/(pdfIm\nJXM\(WY)/\%$1/g' how1.ps; if you wanted it changed in place... |
| 03:36.27 | aatcman | can anyone helpme with an Xwindows problem on a powerbook 1400 ? |
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| 03:36.46 | dondelelcaro | aatcman: just ask your question |
| 03:36.52 | aatcman | I need to know the bus id for the video card |
| 03:37.11 | jtanoos | hey guys, quick question about connecting to a network using iwconfig (since we were on the topic) |
| 03:37.14 | aatcman | or at least how to enter it (its nubus $0 but the setup wont take that) |
| 03:37.15 | dondelelcaro | aatcman: you shouldn't need to know that... it should be found out automatically nowdays. |
| 03:37.20 | anabain | dondelelcaro, and the idea is to put a % just before pdfIm... |
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| 03:37.35 | anabain | it doesn't work, :( |
| 03:37.36 | aatcman | on a NUBUS machine? |
| 03:37.51 | jtanoos | if i went to a public network (like a cafe) to connect my computer, i would just scan for the correct, unencrypted network essid |
| 03:38.09 | jtanoos | and set my card to that ESSID (iwconfig wlan0 essid "essid_name")? |
| 03:38.20 | jtanoos | and then it shoudl connect? |
| 03:38.24 | dondelelcaro | anabain: you'll need to add a BEGIN {undef $/}; in there too, since you're doing multi-line matching. |
| 03:38.35 | jtanoos | then maybe a sequence (ifup wlan0) |
| 03:38.37 | aatcman | it was NOT found automatically |
| 03:38.51 | dondelelcaro | anabain: or, you can just s/^(pdfIm)$/\%$1/; since that's probably the only thing that'll match. |
| 03:39.45 | cjfp | jtanoos: sorry, doesn't work here. |
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| 03:39.56 | teledyn | is there redo in vim? |
| 03:40.06 | jtanoos | cjfp, hahaha, let's just say we're talking "theoretically" here |
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| 03:40.24 | cjfp | theoretically i feel like smashing my computer right now. |
| 03:40.32 | jtanoos | linux is all theoretics |
| 03:40.40 | cjfp | i'm using XP because i don't actually have working linux machine atm. |
| 03:40.41 | jtanoos | linus was a very theoretical man |
| 03:40.43 | gravity | Yeah... totally theory |
| 03:41.02 | jtanoos | if you can do, you teach.. if you cant teach, you just do theory |
| 03:41.06 | teledyn | ah ctrl-r, duh |
| 03:41.07 | anabain | dondelelcaro, I think only the BEGIN stuff will work, there is plenty of pdfIm in the file that mustn't be changed. But where have I to put BEGIN {undef $/} in the perl order? |
| 03:41.15 | aatcman | ? |
| 03:41.24 | anabain | (and thanx a lot for being so kind) |
| 03:41.24 | jtanoos | i wonder what would happen if linus were murdered |
| 03:41.25 | cjfp | i heard linus' mom does all the programming |
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| 03:41.33 | jtanoos | do you think he would become a martyr? |
| 03:41.36 | aatcman | I still need to know how to idenitfy my screen please? |
| 03:41.42 | jtanoos | like linux would just boom all over the world |
| 03:41.56 | jtanoos | and poor countries would teach their computers to grow rice |
| 03:41.59 | jtanoos | ending world hunger? |
| 03:42.13 | cjfp | no, the u.s. dollar would just sink a bit more. |
| 03:42.18 | jtanoos | hahaha |
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| 03:42.34 | jtanoos | im guessing it would strengthen |
| 03:42.46 | tilrway | anabain: perl -0777 will slurp; perl -00 will read paragraphs which might work better on a very large file |
| 03:43.11 | jtanoos | sweden's computer infrastructure would be struck by lightning tailspinning their servers into whirlwinds which only a mind like linus' could crack |
| 03:43.12 | aatcman | ? |
| 03:43.21 | zinx | jtanoos: as it is, I think we have a pretty big excess of food |
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| 03:43.35 | jtanoos | they would be forced to import all new hardware and software from the US |
| 03:43.40 | jtanoos | dell/microsoft (of course) |
| 03:43.51 | jtanoos | strengthen the demand for dollars |
| 03:43.56 | dondelelcaro | anabain: anywhere |
| 03:44.25 | dondelelcaro | anabain: it'll look like 'BEGIN{ under $/} s/yadayadd//' |
| 03:44.31 | jtanoos | and throwing the swedish economy into depression due a massive dump of swedish crowns |
| 03:44.37 | jtanoos | maybe like the thai bhat |
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| 03:44.56 | anabain | ok, dondelelcaro |
| 03:44.57 | aatcman | ? |
| 03:45.01 | jtanoos | i dont know, this is all speculation |
| 03:45.08 | jtanoos | hahaha |
| 03:45.12 | jtanoos | theory |
| 03:45.12 | aatcman | ?? |
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| 03:45.27 | jtanoos | linus, we love you! |
| 03:45.34 | jtanoos | better keep that man alive |
| 03:45.40 | anabain | btw, tilrman, dondelelcaro's first order plus -00 has worked! thanx! |
| 03:45.46 | jtanoos | sweden's livelihood depends on it! |
| 03:45.59 | jtanoos | (hope there arent any swedes here) |
| 03:46.19 | unix_infidel | hey guys i have a laptop that transits between AP's at work and at school, how can i automate association between both? |
| 03:46.20 | jtanoos | where did cfjt go? |
| 03:46.24 | cjfp | jtanoos: here |
| 03:46.32 | cjfp | jtanoos: just watching you talk to yourself :) |
| 03:46.33 | unix_infidel | is there a already preset method in debian or do i have to write my own? |
| 03:46.35 | jtanoos | oh, you still alive and kicking? |
| 03:46.41 | cjfp | jtanoos: nope :( |
| 03:46.43 | tilrman | anabain: np, btw #perl is a betr place for such questions (tho perhaps the folks are kinder here ;-) |
| 03:46.43 | cjfp | no network card |
| 03:46.48 | jtanoos | man, hang in there |
| 03:46.51 | jtanoos | what brand do you have? |
| 03:47.07 | cjfp | it's an orinoco. it worked perfectly. it even worked in the debian installer. |
| 03:47.22 | cjfp | now i just have no idea and it's been like 4 hours. |
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| 03:47.34 | jtanoos | im like the scripted pacbell tech support guy who is asking you all these questions that you already know the answer to |
| 03:47.43 | jtanoos | hahhaha |
| 03:47.53 | jtanoos | dont you want to wring those guys' necks? |
| 03:47.56 | gpled | anyone want to take a shot at helping me getting my sound working? |
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| 03:48.11 | cjfp | jtanoos: i avoid phone support. |
| 03:48.14 | jtanoos | hahahaha |
| 03:48.19 | jtanoos | iwconfig picks it up? |
| 03:48.23 | anabain | oh, yes, tilrman . excuse me. I asked for awk advice, and veery kindly, dondelelcaro answered me in perl, which is Greek for me... |
| 03:48.39 | unix_infidel | anyone know of any methods to automate assocation between two aps? |
| 03:48.39 | cjfp | jtanoos: yes, the card shows up as wifi0 |
| 03:48.42 | jtanoos | lpsci, iwconfig, ifconfig? |
| 03:48.48 | cjfp | with iwconfig |
| 03:49.13 | gpled | unix_infidel: ask in ln -s ? |
| 03:49.15 | jtanoos | you ever think about installing a gui program to sort it out? |
| 03:49.20 | jtanoos | i know that's so uncool |
| 03:49.23 | unix_infidel | gpled: wtf? |
| 03:49.32 | jtanoos | but maybe it would be easier |
| 03:49.35 | jtanoos | and get you going |
| 03:49.42 | jtanoos | i know there are a few out there |
| 03:49.48 | unix_infidel | jtanoos: like? |
| 03:50.03 | jtanoos | unix, sorry im talking to cjfp |
| 03:50.18 | unix_infidel | ahh, heh, i wouldnt mind gui as long as i can use it from cli. |
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| 03:50.20 | cjfp | dude, i would, if i could download shit off the internet. |
| 03:50.31 | jtanoos | yeah |
| 03:50.35 | jtanoos | both of you guys |
| 03:50.43 | jtanoos | no ethernet cjfp? |
| 03:50.47 | cjfp | i don't *have* a wired port on my router |
| 03:50.54 | cjfp | and my modem expects pppoe |
| 03:51.07 | jtanoos | what about connecting to another comp? |
| 03:51.14 | cjfp | like a windows compy? |
| 03:51.17 | jtanoos | yeah |
| 03:51.27 | cjfp | sounds like i'd need samba or something. |
| 03:51.31 | cjfp | or sshd. |
| 03:51.34 | jtanoos | yeah that works |
| 03:51.45 | jtanoos | or just borrow a wired router |
| 03:51.48 | jtanoos | hahaha |
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| 03:51.54 | jtanoos | i have a bunch lying around |
| 03:51.58 | jtanoos | hell i'll mail you one |
| 03:51.59 | jtanoos | hahahah |
| 03:52.04 | jtanoos | those things are so cheap these days |
| 03:52.11 | jtanoos | linksys is pumping them out like no other |
| 03:52.13 | jtanoos | unix you still there? |
| 03:52.54 | dondelelcaro | jtanoos: please lay off the enter key... |
| 03:53.10 | jtanoos | cjfp at least give it a shot and take the comp out to a cafe and see if you can connect |
| 03:53.17 | jtanoos | donde, am i clearing out the room? |
| 03:53.28 | cjfp | jtanoos: there's no point, that's not the problem, and yes you are hitting enter a lot... |
| 03:54.06 | jtanoos | sorry, i'll try to make my sentences longer before i hit enter, what about a CD-ROM? |
| 03:54.27 | itguy | stew: are you still here? |
| 03:54.29 | jtanoos | burn a copy of the program onto CD from a windows computer and load it up on a CD on linux and install |
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| 03:54.56 | cjfp | jtanoos: which program are you suggesting? i just want my wireless NIC to work. |
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| 03:55.21 | itguy | i need help setting up samba please? |
| 03:55.25 | aatcman | ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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| 03:55.26 | jtanoos | cjfp check out chillispot maybe? |
| 03:55.48 | dondelelcaro | aatcman: please don't ever do that again. |
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| 03:56.21 | aatcman | will somebody please give an answer? |
| 03:56.29 | wlnet | used to be able to access pdf online with firefox but not anymore. got a blank screen with "Running helper..." at the status bar. can someone help? |
| 03:56.34 | myboxen | itguy: a little more info might help |
| 03:57.08 | aatcman | I am trying to get xwindows running on a powerbook 1400cs with the latest debain kernal running on it. |
| 03:57.15 | cheal | !xwindows |
| 03:57.16 | dpkg | i guess xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 03:57.16 | aatcman | I keep getting a video device failure |
| 03:57.20 | itguy | myboxen: sorry, i am trying to network windows pc with a debian box |
| 03:57.45 | aatcman | ok xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:57.47 | jtanoos | cfjp ive read around that a lot of times too more recent ndiswrapper versions are poorly made and that could be a problem |
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| 03:58.21 | jtanoos | cjfp, i also read that a lot of times iwconfig doesnt work with a particular card, but a gui-based-interface Wireless prog does |
| 03:58.29 | itguy | myboxen: i installed samba but i don't know how to run the setup? or acullaly how to network those two computer?can you help me please |
| 03:58.43 | jtanoos | i dont know, in my experience with linux, it boils down to trying as many different combination of things and thinking outside of the box |
| 03:58.43 | aatcman | regardless of the name, how do I properly get define the video hardware? |
| 03:58.48 | jtanoos | (sorry I know that's so cliche) |
| 03:58.53 | cjfp | jtanoos: it works for sure, it was working until something broke in etch recently. it worked in the debian-installer :( |
| 03:59.07 | cjfp | jtanoos: i might just install sarge. |
| 03:59.07 | jtanoos | oh man i see |
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| 03:59.22 | jtanoos | you're way above my skill level on that one |
| 03:59.31 | jtanoos | debian-installer?? xfconfig? |
| 03:59.42 | wlnet | cjfp: which card is yours? |
| 03:59.49 | jtanoos | were you like doing some crazy kernel tweaking |
| 03:59.49 | cjfp | wlnet: orinoco |
| 04:00.11 | wlnet | no debian package for it? |
| 04:00.13 | jtanoos | what's etch? |
| 04:00.26 | jtanoos | wlnet, it lights and purrs fine, just won't connect |
| 04:00.33 | cjfp | wlnet: there's a package, and it's shipped with the kernel, etc. |
| 04:00.47 | cjfp | wlnet: the card just doesn't want to associate with the access point. |
| 04:00.49 | itguy | orinoco are you using wireless cjfp |
| 04:00.55 | cjfp | yes. |
| 04:01.01 | aatcman | hello? |
| 04:01.12 | dondelelcaro | aatcman: dude, relax. If no one is answering, no one knows. |
| 04:01.15 | itguy | cjfp: is it Netgear pcmcia |
| 04:01.18 | cjfp | it used to work with the old /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts config, it no longer works with the /etc/network/interfaces config |
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| 04:01.32 | jtanoos | aatc, shoot it to me, i'll give it my best shot (wink, wink: donde) |
| 04:01.32 | dondelelcaro | aatcman: try asking in #debian-ppc or on the debian-ppc mailing lists, or looking at nubus-pmac.sf.net |
| 04:01.46 | aatcman | thanks :o) |
| 04:01.49 | cjfp | itguy: it is an orinoco gold. |
| 04:02.07 | itguy | cjfp: is it pcmcia? |
| 04:02.10 | cjfp | yes. |
| 04:02.12 | jtanoos | i once had a dream about orinoco gold |
| 04:02.50 | jtanoos | that's when you know your life has been divided, reduced, and square-rooted to the terrible realities of linux |
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| 04:03.10 | itguy | cjfp: i am very n00be here but i'll try to help you too, so wait for someone to check on my tips ;) |
| 04:03.30 | cjfp | dondelelcaro already tried, and he lives here, so............ |
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| 04:03.49 | jtanoos | cjfp, what about just reinstalling debian? |
| 04:03.59 | jtanoos | and what was that that you were messing around with? |
| 04:04.02 | cjfp | jtanoos: dude that is what i did to break the motherfucker. |
| 04:04.08 | myboxen | itguy: when you set up samba, did you edit the smb config file |
| 04:04.09 | itguy | cjfp: when you plug the card, do ifconfig wlan0 i don't know which one is yours |
| 04:04.39 | itguy | myboxen: no |
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| 04:04.42 | jtanoos | too bad zood isnt on to break bread with me tonight |
| 04:05.15 | itguy | cjfp: do this iwconfig wlan0 down |
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| 04:05.41 | itguy | cjfp: then samething but up so iwconfig ----up |
| 04:05.51 | myboxen | itguy: you will need to, at a minimum change the workgroup, uncomment the wins stuff if you want, and add a share on the linux server at the bottom. |
| 04:05.52 | jtanoos | we could sit back and discuss our visions of the future of the eventual world war caused by a nuclear missile installed with a bad kernel and a tweaked version of slackware |
| 04:06.08 | myboxen | hehee |
| 04:06.12 | cjfp | itguy: i already did that, it's dying trying to bring up wifi0 |
| 04:06.20 | cjfp | (it's not wlan0) |
| 04:06.32 | jtanoos | why is it wifi0 and not wlan0? |
| 04:06.35 | jtanoos | has it always been that way? |
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| 04:06.50 | jnc | jtanoos: i think 'wifi0' is usually bogus |
| 04:07.01 | jnc | in cases where there is both 'wifi0' and 'wlan0' use wlan0 |
| 04:07.12 | itguy | cjfp: dude i had the same problem and i am acually using this card right now |
| 04:07.13 | jtanoos | cjfp, maybe you can try that? |
| 04:07.40 | jtanoos | jnc, when did you come out of the woodwork? |
| 04:07.42 | itguy | cjfp: stew helped me thru it |
| 04:08.04 | cjfp | oh, ok. |
| 04:08.10 | cjfp | will try wlan0 |
| 04:08.23 | jtanoos | paging Linux-user stew, paging Linux-user stew |
| 04:08.25 | cjfp | should i s/wifi0/wlan0/ in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:08.43 | jnc | probably |
| 04:08.55 | jtanoos | we have an emergency wifi situation down here, code name: orinoco gold |
| 04:09.08 | jnc | wifi0 is never used on my Zaurus, in combination with D-Link DCF-660w |
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| 04:09.16 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: if you're seeing wlan0, that's probably true; but if wifi0 is the only thing there, that's it. |
| 04:09.19 | jnc | always the wlan0 device is made use of |
| 04:09.22 | itguy | cjfp: trust me wlan0 will work , also does your network has SSID |
| 04:09.25 | dondelelcaro | jnc: no, it's not... |
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| 04:09.30 | jtanoos | uh, i just started a fight |
| 04:09.33 | siimo | no banshee player in etch? |
| 04:09.42 | dondelelcaro | jnc: some cards use ath0, some use eth0, some apparently use wifi0, and others use wlan0... |
| 04:09.43 | jnc | dondelelcaro: on my Zaurus? yes. |
| 04:09.47 | cjfp | fuck i'm confused no. |
| 04:09.51 | cjfp | s/no/now/ |
| 04:10.07 | dondelelcaro | jnc: oh, probably on your zarus... I'm talking about wifi cards in general. |
| 04:10.10 | jtanoos | hahah |
| 04:10.18 | jtanoos | man, donde's laying down the smack down |
| 04:10.28 | jtanoos | just mowed you a new lawn |
| 04:10.32 | jnc | dondelelcaro: maybe you should say "in general for wifi cards, blah blah what i think is true" :P |
| 04:10.44 | itguy | cjfp: i mean i don't know much about linux but i am trying, so if i am giving you wrong info please don't count me for it, i just want to try to help because i know how exactly you feel i've been there :) |
| 04:10.54 | cjfp | ifdown wlan0 --> ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured |
| 04:11.02 | jtanoos | jnc, its all a matter of semantics, now |
| 04:11.03 | jtanoos | hahahah |
| 04:11.10 | cjfp | itguy and everyone else: i really appreciate the help. |
| 04:11.28 | jnc | yeah yeah. i'm joking anyways. dondelelcaro likes to jump my throat |
| 04:11.31 | cjfp | ifup wlan0: same error messages as before... i will retype them. |
| 04:11.42 | itguy | cjfp: hold on let me dig and see where did i put the notes |
| 04:11.43 | jnc | cjfp: try pastebin.com or something |
| 04:11.51 | cjfp | jnc: no network :/ |
| 04:11.57 | jnc | oh. |
| 04:12.03 | jnc | man that should have been obvious for me |
| 04:12.24 | cjfp | i'm using an XP machine, no ssh b/c it's a new install, no ethernet on my airport express, modem is pppoe |
| 04:12.24 | jnc | no serial cable? |
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| 04:12.40 | jnc | ah |
| 04:12.46 | jnc | what chipset was this again mate? |
| 04:13.05 | cjfp | orinoco |
| 04:13.06 | jnc | you could always install a very very minimal system |
| 04:13.12 | jnc | then sneakernet ssh stuff over |
| 04:13.16 | jnc | i do that all the time at work |
| 04:13.18 | itguy | cjfp: do lsmod ? |
| 04:13.34 | jnc | orinoco should work with hostap drivers |
| 04:13.38 | jnc | is there any WEP or WPA? |
| 04:13.42 | yonkeltron | orinoco flow |
| 04:13.59 | jnc | yonkeltron: w/o googling um.... is that ... enigma? |
| 04:14.14 | jnc | new age stuff |
| 04:14.15 | jnc | ugh |
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| 04:14.22 | cjfp | itguy: sure, how do i search lsmod??? |
| 04:14.29 | cjfp | nevermind |
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| 04:14.59 | itguy | cjfp: look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:15.02 | cjfp | jnc: no wpa, there is wep |
| 04:15.20 | cjfp | i have ieee80211_crypt_wep,hostap |
| 04:15.39 | itguy | cjfp: change eth1 to wlan0 |
| 04:15.46 | cjfp | itguy: already did that. |
| 04:15.49 | jnc | cjfp: also keep in mind that some orinoco cards are not supported by hostap |
| 04:15.56 | jnc | there's proprietary junky ones now |
| 04:15.58 | cjfp | jnc: is hostap new? |
| 04:16.01 | jnc | i think they're called the 3g |
| 04:16.15 | jnc | hostap is relatively new in software terms, it's a mature driver though |
| 04:16.20 | cjfp | i have an old old orinoco gold 802.11b card |
| 04:16.24 | jnc | ah |
| 04:16.27 | jnc | that should work |
| 04:16.51 | cjfp | basically it was working fine in debian-installer, and it used to work until the pcmcia-cs deprecation stuff in etch |
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| 04:17.11 | jnc | heh. poor you. :/ |
| 04:17.14 | itguy | cjfp: is it Netgear 802.11b 16bit MA401 |
| 04:17.21 | cjfp | how do i find out? |
| 04:17.43 | itguy | cjfp: by looking at you card!! |
| 04:18.21 | cjfp | oh, no, it says "Lucent Technologies" and the box said "Orinoco Gold" |
| 04:18.52 | itguy | cjfp: do this /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 04:19.28 | cjfp | i don't have a network script but a `networking' one |
| 04:19.48 | cjfp | nevertheless, it's hung on `Reconfiguring network interfaces...' |
| 04:20.20 | cjfp | ok, then: ifup: interface lo already configured\ done. |
| 04:20.41 | itguy | cjfp: now try it |
| 04:20.51 | jnc | cjfp: 'ifup eth0' or 'ifdown eth0' would bring eth0 up and down, in example. |
| 04:20.55 | jnc | using debian scripts |
| 04:21.08 | cjfp | okay, please hold my hand. |
| 04:21.11 | cjfp | type what? |
| 04:21.13 | liable | cjfp: erm, have you tried reading any of the pcmcia docs in /usr/share/doc? |
| 04:21.34 | itguy | cjfp: pico /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:21.58 | itguy | liable: how are you doing man? |
| 04:22.00 | cjfp | liable: if you want to tell me which doc to read ok |
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| 04:22.21 | cjfp | itguy: okay, do what in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:22.36 | jnc | cjfp: you should start more basic than that |
| 04:22.50 | itguy | cjfp: do you see eth1 there |
| 04:22.56 | jnc | what he's telling you assumes a lot of things are working, many of which aren't necessarily working |
| 04:23.01 | cjfp | see eth1 where? |
| 04:23.07 | cjfp | oh, that file. |
| 04:23.09 | cjfp | no. |
| 04:23.12 | mkli | cjfp: does /sbin/iwconfig show any interfaces? |
| 04:23.13 | cjfp | jnc: ok, i see. |
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| 04:23.23 | liable | cjfp: i dont know, but i would imagine its a good place to start.. i dont have any pcmcia cads |
| 04:23.28 | liable | itguy: fine thanks. :) |
| 04:23.34 | jnc | i would start with 'cardctl' utility to display the status of your cardbus/pcmcia slots |
| 04:23.38 | cjfp | mkli: yes, i have lo, eth0, wifi0, cted, wlan0, cted |
| 04:23.41 | jnc | then find out more info about what is/isn't there |
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| 04:23.49 | jnc | check for version mismatches |
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| 04:24.24 | littleball | hello, how to change the LANG variable and how to change the locale settings? |
| 04:24.35 | cjfp | jnc: version mismatches against what? |
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| 04:24.59 | jnc | cjfp: sometimes the utilities that manage cardbus/pcmcia are different than the drivers loaded in the kernel |
| 04:25.21 | mkli | cjfp: oh, i mean that don't have "wireless extensions not supported" next to them. |
| 04:25.23 | jnc | it might look loaded, but the drivers for pcmcia/cardbus hardware cards would not function properly |
| 04:25.28 | itguy | cjfp: if you plug your CAT5 cable can you get connection |
| 04:26.02 | jnc | cjfp: start with basics |
| 04:26.05 | jnc | is it on? |
| 04:26.09 | jtanoos | cjfp doesnt have a CAT5 connection :( |
| 04:26.12 | cjfp | mkli: that would be the same list without lo, eth0 |
| 04:26.26 | jnc | when you plug stuff in, unplug it, does 'dmesg' output change? |
| 04:26.38 | itguy | jtanoos: well how can he use irc if not? |
| 04:26.44 | cjfp | jnc: if i unplug replug the card i get a bunch of messages |
| 04:26.46 | liable | cjfp: /usr/share/doc/pcmciautils/cardmgr-to-pcmciautils.txt.gz |
| 04:26.49 | jtanoos | he's on a windozzeee |
| 04:27.00 | cjfp | itguy: freaking XP laptop |
| 04:27.10 | jtanoos | cjfp and i go back a long time |
| 04:27.11 | jnc | cjfp: please manage yourself a way to pastebin those |
| 04:27.17 | jtanoos | we're practically blood brothers |
| 04:27.20 | jnc | floppy disk, USB thumbdrive, whatever |
| 04:27.23 | cjfp | jnc: how? |
| 04:27.28 | itguy | cjfp: how are you getting internet |
| 04:27.31 | jnc | use your imagination |
| 04:27.32 | jtanoos | he's an amazingly smart guy too, CS PhD program |
| 04:27.41 | jtanoos | itguy, XP laptop |
| 04:27.42 | cjfp | no floppy on the XP laptop |
| 04:27.46 | cjfp | don't own a thumbdrive |
| 04:27.56 | cjfp | jtanoos: please, just let these people help me. |
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| 04:28.00 | jtanoos | cjfp, you're making it really hard for us |
| 04:28.02 | jtanoos | hahaha |
| 04:28.03 | jnc | stick your finger in the charge port and telepathize it. heh |
| 04:28.06 | jtanoos | sorry, man |
| 04:28.08 | jtanoos | ill be quiet |
| 04:28.09 | jnc | just work with us here |
| 04:28.11 | jnc | :) |
| 04:28.20 | itguy | jtanoos: does that xp lapy get internet from no where? |
| 04:28.23 | cjfp | i can type, it's ok. |
| 04:28.29 | jtanoos | itguy, he connects to a wireless router |
| 04:28.36 | cjfp | i don't have a wired port on my router, and my modem is pppoe |
| 04:28.36 | jtanoos | which has no cat5 port |
| 04:28.53 | itguy | jtanoos: ok |
| 04:28.58 | cjfp | if i disconnect the router, then there is no way to connect the XP laptop |
| 04:29.19 | cjfp | and furthermore, eth0 is not working on the paperweight/doorstop machine |
| 04:29.34 | cjfp | anyway, i'll just type |
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| 04:29.43 | jtanoos | this is like some strange puzzle challenge that they give to linux tech interviewees at a highly classified company |
| 04:29.45 | itguy | cjfp: does you laptop has eth port |
| 04:29.51 | cjfp | no ssh |
| 04:30.07 | cjfp | and yes |
| 04:30.08 | jnc | cjfp: for future reference, do yourself a huge favor and spend five bucks on a serial cable |
| 04:30.27 | jtanoos | i offered to mail the guy an extra wired router that i have |
| 04:30.28 | cjfp | i could just install sarge... |
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| 04:30.46 | jnc | if sarge works, that's the way to do it |
| 04:30.52 | cjfp | but we've invested this much time... |
| 04:30.58 | jtanoos | cid is overrated, man |
| 04:31.03 | cjfp | i don't know if sarge works, and i'm developing stuff for testing... |
| 04:31.11 | cjfp | slash unstable |
| 04:31.13 | jnc | you could also boot an Ubuntu live cd, and chroot into debian. they're similar *enough* that the chroot would work fine |
| 04:31.28 | jtanoos | yeah that's a good idea, jnc |
| 04:31.31 | jnc | i find Ubuntu to be a handy starting point at getting debian installed |
| 04:31.35 | jnc | heh |
| 04:31.36 | jtanoos | or even knoppix or DSL |
| 04:31.38 | myboxen | just noticed this, meminfo says I have 906752kb, which I would imagine roughly translates to 1Gb mem, but I actually have 2 Gb of mem |
| 04:31.50 | cjfp | ok, let's try typing for a while. |
| 04:31.55 | liable | cjfp: dude, read that doc, and purge pcmcia-cs for starters, then come back |
| 04:32.01 | jtanoos | careful throwing around distro names in here jnc |
| 04:32.04 | jnc | the knoppix kernel might get pissed off about chrooting debian and trying to do stuff. device names tend to differ |
| 04:32.12 | cjfp | liable: purge pcmcia-cs, and then install pcmciautils, right? |
| 04:32.18 | jtanoos | they're pretty totalitarian |
| 04:32.20 | liable | cjfp: yeah |
| 04:32.22 | cjfp | but pcmciautils requires a network connection |
| 04:32.28 | jnc | myboxen: how many CPUs? |
| 04:32.31 | liable | arg |
| 04:32.35 | myboxen | 1 |
| 04:32.39 | myboxen | laptop T43 |
| 04:32.43 | jnc | ah |
| 04:32.49 | jtanoos | whoa T43, my dream laptop |
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| 04:32.50 | cjfp | liable: i know. i could use the working d-i image to apt-get pcmciautils before rebooting... |
| 04:32.51 | jnc | i use one of those |
| 04:32.52 | jtanoos | how much did that set you back? |
| 04:33.00 | myboxen | $1200 |
| 04:33.00 | jtanoos | coupel grand? |
| 04:33.04 | myboxen | no |
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| 04:33.05 | jtanoos | whoa, not bad |
| 04:33.05 | jnc | T43p here actually |
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| 04:33.19 | jtanoos | i had afriend recently buy a new laptop for $1700 |
| 04:33.19 | liable | cjfp: if you chroot from the installer kernel does it work? |
| 04:33.25 | jtanoos | i almost had a heart attack |
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| 04:33.31 | myboxen | well mine has resolution of 1400x1050 so I think its a 43p but not sure |
| 04:33.32 | jnc | myboxen: that laptop annoys me with its huge screen and whining CPU |
| 04:33.32 | jtanoos | her pop's laid down the dough though |
| 04:33.46 | jtanoos | more power to her, i guess |
| 04:33.54 | cjfp | liable: ok, what do i type? |
| 04:33.56 | myboxen | hehe, better than my T21, so I am not complaining. |
| 04:33.58 | jtanoos | i feel so inadequate with a 500mhz/128mb laptop |
| 04:34.09 | jtanoos | mine is soooo cool though |
| 04:34.10 | liable | cjfp: when? to chroot? |
| 04:34.10 | myboxen | Debian so far likes it so im even happier, and I love the 1400 resolution |
| 04:34.10 | cjfp | liable: i meant more like reinstall everything and then use a tty |
| 04:34.18 | jnc | jtanoos: compared to my 233mhz/64mb IRC terminal downstairs? you still win the cake |
| 04:34.19 | jtanoos | its an old Dell Latitute LS |
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| 04:34.30 | jtanoos | thin and light |
| 04:34.32 | cjfp | liable: yes -- Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot: |
| 04:34.38 | myboxen | jnc: you have any ideas about the memory thing |
| 04:34.48 | Gnea | jtanoos: your laptop is not an extension of your manhood. |
| 04:34.49 | jtanoos | IRC terminal, no way! |
| 04:34.58 | jtanoos | gnea, i know, im a big puss... too! |
| 04:34.59 | jtanoos | hahahahah |
| 04:35.05 | myboxen | :) |
| 04:35.06 | itguy | okay now i need help setting up and network between xp and debian |
| 04:35.09 | jtanoos | jnc, what do you run on that box? |
| 04:35.10 | jnc | myboxen: yeah, for more than 1G RAM, there's a special kernel option i think. if you look at thinkwiki, it should have your info. |
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| 04:35.32 | myboxen | k, thanks |
| 04:35.32 | liable | cjfp: boot the kernel, let it run to the partitioner bit; switch to vt2; mkdir /rescue; mount /dev/discs/disc0/part<foo> /rescue; chroot /rescue |
| 04:35.33 | jnc | jtanoos: debian unstable runs on the 233mhz thinkpad. i had stable on it, but i wanted some more fancy wpa stuff |
| 04:35.40 | jtanoos | no way! |
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| 04:35.57 | jtanoos | i love linux |
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| 04:36.08 | jnc | yeah. wpa process takes a few actual percentage points of CPU power |
| 04:36.10 | jnc | it's sick |
| 04:36.19 | jtanoos | you can like upload linux on an old commodore just for kicks |
| 04:36.32 | liable | cjfp: tab completion is your friend for the mounting disks bit |
| 04:36.36 | jnc | jtanoos: i have debian slink running on a macintosh colour classic |
| 04:36.42 | jtanoos | hahahah that's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 04:36.53 | jtanoos | jnc, you are definitely my new hero |
| 04:36.58 | jnc | jtanoos: i hacked that machine with a logic board swap, now it runs a full 68040 at 16mhz clock |
| 04:37.03 | cjfp | liable: i'll let you know when it's there... |
| 04:37.07 | jtanoos | no way!!!!!! |
| 04:37.19 | jtanoos | i was thinking about just buying all these old machines to test linux on |
| 04:37.23 | jtanoos | just for fun |
| 04:37.25 | itguy | i need help setting up and network between xp and debian, i installed samba as recomanded now what? |
| 04:37.34 | jtanoos | i mean you can get an Apple IIE for like 25 bucks these days |
| 04:37.36 | jnc | jtanoos: donated a floppy disk usb drive to the guy who wrote the F/OSS bootloader for 68k macs, Laurent Vivier. way cool guy. project at emile.sf.net |
| 04:37.49 | jtanoos | sf.net? here in san francisco? |
| 04:37.57 | jnc | sourceforge.net cname |
| 04:38.03 | jtanoos | oh okay |
| 04:38.08 | jtanoos | man you got me excited for a sec |
| 04:38.16 | jnc | i hate typing it all out. |
| 04:38.30 | jtanoos | man, jnc you are like way up there man |
| 04:38.40 | jtanoos | you should take on linus himself |
| 04:38.40 | jnc | erm? |
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| 04:38.50 | jnc | linus wouldn't like me |
| 04:39.02 | gentgeen__ | itguy, need more info, are you having troubles? |
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| 04:39.42 | cjfp | liable: which partition do i mount? |
| 04:39.43 | itguy | gentgeen__: i don't know how to configure |
| 04:39.46 | cjfp | liable: root? |
| 04:39.48 | streuner | Bill wouldn't like me too ;-) |
| 04:39.50 | jnc | he'd go off about memory management and i'd be asking for the nearest place i can get a good vanilla milkshake |
| 04:39.51 | liable | cjfp: yep |
| 04:40.04 | jnc | and that would be it. |
| 04:40.28 | liable | cjfp: did the networking bit of the installer work? |
| 04:40.29 | gentgeen__ | Google for Samba HowTo -- then edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 04:40.29 | cjfp | ok baby |
| 04:40.47 | cjfp | yes, networking works |
| 04:40.51 | jnc | debian and samba confuses me |
| 04:40.58 | cjfp | now apt-get remove pcmcia-cs and apt-get install pcmciautils? |
| 04:40.58 | gentgeen__ | might get away with just looking at smb.conf depending on your skills --- it is very well documented |
| 04:41.15 | jnc | gentgeen__: what do you think about using SWAT? |
| 04:41.24 | liable | cjfp: purge it, unless you want to keep a <2.6.13 kernel |
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| 04:41.38 | itguy | gentgeen__: can you help me , coz i did the google home work but it's confusing |
| 04:41.43 | liable | cjfp: otherwise read that doc i told you. |
| 04:41.51 | gentgeen__ | It works nicely -- but I see it as overkill. Usually once you have smb.conf set, you do not have to edit it again. |
| 04:41.53 | cjfp | purge does what (i'll read manpage if you tell me to)? |
| 04:42.05 | liable | cjfp: removes configs. |
| 04:42.06 | gentgeen__ | You on a home net, or a work setting? |
| 04:42.08 | jnc | gentgeen__: i've got a situation where samba shares show up only on linux hosts |
| 04:42.09 | cjfp | k |
| 04:42.15 | jnc | gentgeen__: they don't show up on a win xp machine |
| 04:42.23 | jnc | i don't know anything about windows, so... i'm flummoxed |
| 04:42.48 | gentgeen__ | jnc, check host files or the DHCP server setting.... also watch out for XP firewall or things like ZoneAlarm |
| 04:42.58 | cjfp | sorry, apt-get|cache purge pcmcia-cs give "invalid operation purge" |
| 04:43.00 | jnc | ZoneAlarm? |
| 04:43.05 | gentgeen__ | host files on the XP box |
| 04:43.06 | jnc | is that a temperature sensor? |
| 04:43.11 | gentgeen__ | lol |
| 04:43.31 | itguy | gentgeen__: can u help me please? |
| 04:43.33 | gentgeen__ | itguy, you in a home setting or in a work seting? |
| 04:43.44 | liable | cjfp: sorry, i use aptitude and that works.. remove --purge |
| 04:44.01 | itguy | gentgeen__: home |
| 04:44.02 | cjfp | apt-get remove --purge pcmcia-cs |
| 04:44.03 | CompWizrd | zonealarm = cheap windows firewall |
| 04:44.08 | jnc | oh |
| 04:44.09 | liable | yes |
| 04:44.11 | CompWizrd | (software) |
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| 04:44.33 | jnc | symantec bought something called alarmzone/zonealarm recently |
| 04:44.35 | jnc | is that it? |
| 04:44.43 | cjfp | should i be using aptitude instead of apt-get/apt-cache? |
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| 04:44.59 | jnc | cjfp: aptitude does bad things sometimes, word of warning |
| 04:45.05 | liable | cjfp: whatever you prefer, doesnt make a hell of a lot of difference |
| 04:45.10 | liable | jnc: bah |
| 04:45.14 | gentgeen__ | jnc, interesting.... BloatWare A buying BloatWare B -- wonder what that will look like in a year or two... |
| 04:45.16 | jnc | cjfp: i suggest sticking with synaptic (X11 gui) or commandline tools |
| 04:45.22 | gentgeen__ | itguy, yes... 1 sec on that |
| 04:45.26 | cjfp | ok, i got some /proc is empty (not mounted ?) error when "Shutting down PCMCIA services..." |
| 04:45.31 | CompWizrd | jnc: ah, that'd spell the deathknell of it then :) |
| 04:45.36 | liable | cjfp: mount /proc |
| 04:45.37 | cjfp | i assume it's fine. |
| 04:45.38 | CentrX | help grepping for unicode characters? |
| 04:45.40 | cjfp | ok |
| 04:45.48 | gina6 | np: Störkraft - Mann für Mann - 01 - Imperator der Gewalt [1:46/3:07] |
| 04:45.51 | cjfp | done |
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| 04:46.09 | jnc | aptitude is wholly inappropriate for system administration, i've run into too many situations where it broke a package |
| 04:46.23 | cjfp | ok, installed pcmciautils now. |
| 04:46.31 | jnc | i.e. nothing worked, then i use something other than aptitude, and it works fine |
| 04:46.38 | jnc | no other apparent reason |
| 04:46.42 | itguy | jnc: the only thing good about XP is that if you manage to pull a wire from your shoo and stick it into XP box, it'll pop up with a message"Found a new Nike Jordan...would you like windows to install driver so you can run faster?" |
| 04:46.58 | jnc | nike shoe? |
| 04:47.00 | jnc | hrm? |
| 04:47.02 | liable | cjfp: try a reboot with fingers crossed :) |
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| 04:47.11 | CompWizrd | itguy: does that even if i wear Brooks... so many times windows comes up with the wrong drivers |
| 04:47.29 | jnc | itguy: it can't be much more obnoxious than Windows ME can it |
| 04:47.32 | cjfp | liable: should i set /etc/network/interfaces to contain anything special? |
| 04:47.56 | jnc | cjfp: 'man interfaces' is required reading |
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| 04:48.14 | CompWizrd | "Windows XP has detected your shiny new Nvidia 7900GTX UltraHyper Edition. Now installing 4 year old Microsoft non-accelerated drivers" |
| 04:48.18 | liable | cjfp: leave it for now, lets see what happens when you reboot |
| 04:48.20 | jnc | that's one manual page that sort of makes sense |
| 04:48.24 | itguy | jnc: dude you suck when it come to windows , last time i hear about win ME was 1870..lol |
| 04:48.44 | itguy | CompWizrd: are they high neck or low? |
| 04:48.48 | jnc | i don't know what build 1870 was |
| 04:49.08 | gentgeen__ | itguy, There was a real nice simple samba howto ... I had it bookmarked... looking for it now :-) |
| 04:49.13 | itguy | jnc: lmao |
| 04:49.19 | frederick | Does anyone know how to make my ip address redirect to a Local Ip address |
| 04:49.27 | CompWizrd | itguy: i had to give up on Brooks, they quit selling the ones I like.. i'm wearing some cheap payless brand that I actually wear down the quarter inch of rubber in 4 months... and i don't walk all that much :) |
| 04:49.30 | jnc | my guess is that you're a windows user |
| 04:49.36 | jnc | since this is all very funny |
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| 04:50.00 | itguy | CompWizrd: lol |
| 04:50.12 | CompWizrd | anyways, enough of shoes, unless they're being used to boot a system. |
| 04:50.22 | itguy | gentgeen__: so what are you trying to say here...am blind? lol |
| 04:50.30 | CompWizrd | (which two of my end users have done, they kicked the computer because the floppy disk was bad) |
| 04:51.02 | jnc | i don't remember what sort of shoe i wear, they're laceless and have lasted me 2 years now without any holes in them . i've subjected the material to a pretty decent beating too |
| 04:51.23 | gentgeen__ | itguy, na.. just easier to point you to something already written |
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| 04:51.30 | jnc | leather outer, rubber sole. only thing i did was add insole inserts when the foam wore out |
| 04:51.44 | frederick | evaded: do you know anything about ip addresses |
| 04:51.45 | itguy | gentgeen__: cool...shoot me the link |
| 04:51.52 | gentgeen__ | You said you can see the linux shares on other linux box but not on your XP box? |
| 04:51.59 | jnc | gentgeen__: yeah |
| 04:52.01 | gentgeen__ | My guess then is host name issues |
| 04:52.07 | cjfp | ok, it didn't come up with reboot, and then X is borked so one more reboot here... |
| 04:52.08 | gentgeen__ | or a firewall |
| 04:52.33 | gentgeen__ | could not fine the one I wanted -- but this is a good one too --- http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Networks/Samba.html |
| 04:52.40 | jnc | that's pretty strange. i couldn't find an option in windows XP to browse shares from the command box |
| 04:52.54 | jnc | it was always point+click+wait and wait and wait |
| 04:52.57 | jnc | i didn't like it |
| 04:53.08 | liable | cjfp: x is borked? |
| 04:53.12 | CompWizrd | jnc: net view \\computername |
| 04:53.16 | gentgeen__ | XP might also have some issue with the Username/password stuff |
| 04:53.23 | jnc | CompWizrd: cool |
| 04:53.36 | jnc | CompWizrd: where is that documented? |
| 04:53.39 | CompWizrd | i believe you can specify username/passwords at the same time |
| 04:53.39 | gentgeen__ | try making a samba share on your linuxbox that is open to all |
| 04:53.41 | CompWizrd | net view /? |
| 04:53.42 | CompWizrd | :) |
| 04:53.43 | cjfp | liable: yeah, the graphics are messed (laptop screen, go figure), and C-M-F1 makes the screen die |
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| 04:54.03 | cjfp | anyway, back at root prompt now. |
| 04:54.08 | CompWizrd | ok, can't do password at the same time, it'll prompt for username and password ifi remembe right |
| 04:54.17 | CompWizrd | it's the same basic idea as smbclient -L |
| 04:54.40 | liable | cjfp: hrm, dunno why x fuxored, but anyway, whats ifconfig -a and iwconfig say? |
| 04:54.42 | itguy | gentgeen__: thanks i'll start reading |
| 04:54.58 | jnc | i didn't mean for this to be a windows support question, thanks for the suggestions |
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| 04:55.06 | liable | cjfp: this is etch, not sid right? |
| 04:55.08 | gentgeen__ | can I "flood" 7 lines in here? -- anyone know? |
| 04:55.13 | jnc | gentgeen__: no |
| 04:55.29 | gentgeen__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.29 | jnc | max is 3. and even that is sort of |
| 04:55.31 | jnc | rude |
| 04:55.43 | jnc | like, you know. ;P |
| 04:55.53 | gentgeen__ | lol |
| 04:56.11 | cjfp | liable: yes, etch |
| 04:56.15 | jnc | i'm not going to pull a cranky old debianer and whip out !tell foo about bar |
| 04:56.18 | liable | ok |
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| 04:56.28 | jnc | just use a pastebin service or #flood |
| 04:56.29 | mhall | What do I do about this when running startx? /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 9: /etc/X11/Xsession: No such file or directory |
| 04:56.41 | jnc | mhall: you could start by reading the topic |
| 04:56.44 | jnc | just a tip |
| 04:56.49 | cjfp | liable: ifconfig -a shows lo, eth0, wifi0, wlan0 |
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| 04:57.01 | cjfp | liable: no address received for them |
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| 04:57.08 | streuner | !btssmite mhall |
| 04:57.09 | gentgeen__ | itguy, join #flood if you want to see my smb.conf for an open share |
| 04:57.10 | liable | cjfp: and iwconfig? |
| 04:57.28 | CompWizrd | mhall: mv /etc/X11/Xsession.xfree86 /etc/X11/Xsession, if i remember right |
| 04:57.48 | liable | cjfp: is the mac add the same for wifi0 and wlan0? |
| 04:57.55 | cjfp | shows wifi0, cted, wlan0, cted, and i set the essid and key for wlan0 with iwconfig wlan0 essid my_essid key my_key |
| 04:58.14 | mhall | ack |
| 04:58.21 | cjfp | liable: no (in ifconfig -a) |
| 04:58.43 | cjfp | wifi0: HWaddr 00-02-2D-5F-F9-49-00-00-00-00-00.... |
| 04:58.46 | streuner | mhall: you heard it, just incoming |
| 04:58.56 | cjfp | 10 * -00 |
| 04:59.02 | mhall | gravity: ah sweet. you rock! |
| 04:59.22 | cjfp | liable: wlan0: same HWaddr, nothing after the 49 |
| 04:59.29 | gentgeen__ | gravity is a downer |
| 04:59.34 | gravity | Creating bad bugs trying to fix a less bad bug sucks |
| 04:59.52 | liable | cjfp: dhclient wlan0?? |
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| 05:00.07 | mhall | gentgeen__: horrible pun |
| 05:00.12 | mhall | gentgeen__: took me a sec to even get it |
| 05:00.19 | mhall | gentgeen__: but now that i do, i applaud you |
| 05:00.26 | mhall | gentgeen__: badunk ching! |
| 05:00.30 | cjfp | liable: it has two error messages: wifi0: unknown hardware address typ 801 (twice) |
| 05:00.32 | gravity | I've heard them all before |
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| 05:00.41 | cjfp | liable: then DHCPDISCOVERs that fail |
| 05:00.43 | itguy | gentgeen__: i need tips let me show you what am trying to do |
| 05:00.45 | gentgeen__ | mhall, thanks, I am here all night... well at least till I pass out :-) |
| 05:00.57 | liable | cjfp: that was for wlan0? |
| 05:01.06 | cjfp | liable: yes |
| 05:01.20 | liable | cjfp: oh, does ifconfg show it as UP ? |
| 05:01.26 | liable | runnning.. |
| 05:01.34 | cjfp | then finally No DHCPOFFERS received\ No working leases in persistent databse. |
| 05:01.40 | cjfp | what is UP? |
| 05:01.51 | gentgeen__ | itguy, can you ping from XP to Linux?? |
| 05:01.51 | liable | in ifconfig output |
| 05:01.59 | cjfp | you mean "UP BROADCAST..."? |
| 05:02.01 | cjfp | if so, yes |
| 05:02.14 | itguy | gentgeen__: okay my cable is connected to a wireless router , i have 2 xp box that are setup wirelessly and 2 lapy this one(debian) and another ap lapy |
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| 05:02.56 | itguy | gentgeen__: i am trying to practice and make this lapy(debian) network with the other xp lapy for a future project |
| 05:03.16 | liable | cjfp: ok, back where we started.. the AP obviously gives dhcp leases? |
| 05:03.26 | itguy | gentgeen__: so hoe can i setup /etc/hosts |
| 05:03.28 | cjfp | liable: yes, this XP laptop has one. |
| 05:03.34 | gentgeen__ | itguy, can debian ping XP? |
| 05:04.08 | gentgeen__ | itguy, ping with both hostname and with ipaddress -- do they both work, just one, none? |
| 05:04.16 | cjfp | liable: are all those 00's in the mac address a problem? |
| 05:04.46 | itguy | gentgeen__: debian can ping xp yes |
| 05:05.07 | gentgeen__ | itguy, with hostname and IP?? |
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| 05:05.22 | itguy | gentgeen__: what do u mean ? |
| 05:05.32 | liable | cjfp: i dont know why you have two wireless devices to start with, and yeah, those 0's shouldnt really be there, though i dunno why they are |
| 05:05.33 | cjfp | liable: wait, /usr/share/doc/pcmciautils/README.Debian says to add allow-hotplug wlan0 to |
| 05:05.49 | cjfp | you know what it says to add it to. |
| 05:06.12 | gentgeen__ | itguy, I can ping a machine on my network with -- 'ping 192.168.74.3' or with 'ping thinkpad.localdomain' |
| 05:06.15 | liable | cjfp: so try it |
| 05:06.16 | gentgeen__ | both will work |
| 05:06.26 | cjfp | liable: but it's already there :( |
| 05:06.26 | guess2 | what's gonna happen after rev2? |
| 05:06.42 | itguy | i don't know what is my host name in the debian |
| 05:06.47 | itguy | how can i check |
| 05:06.47 | dude | hi all. long time user of debian as a server, but would you all still recommend it as a desktop, or rec something else? this is not flamebait, I just havent been around in a while and not sure what to google. thanks for the reply |
| 05:06.54 | dude | itguy: type hostname |
| 05:06.55 | liable | cjfp: what does dmesg say when you eject the card and replace it? |
| 05:07.07 | gentgeen__ | itguy, 'hostname -a' for ALL |
| 05:07.20 | jtanoos | dude, i would recommend windows, hands down |
| 05:07.35 | itguy | localhost silverfox |
| 05:07.44 | jtanoos | go down to Redding, break into headquarters, still top secret Longhorn |
| 05:07.48 | jtanoos | and run it to your delight |
| 05:07.49 | gentgeen__ | so your debian box's hostname is "silverfox' |
| 05:07.51 | dude | jtanoos: i know i know, that's what Im using right now, but lost a lot of data recently so would like to get back a nix desktop |
| 05:08.04 | jtanoos | dude, i cant even spell |
| 05:08.08 | gentgeen__ | now go to the XP and 'ping silverfox' |
| 05:08.10 | jtanoos | dont take advice from me |
| 05:08.29 | jtanoos | linux is nothing but headaches for me |
| 05:08.30 | frederick | does changing NAPT default server make my router redirect to my server? |
| 05:08.34 | itguy | gentgeen__: so in xp i should ping silverfox |
| 05:08.42 | gentgeen__ | dude, I have been using Debian as my only desktop now for over 3 years.... would not use any others |
| 05:08.45 | jtanoos | dude, are you a SUPERuser? |
| 05:08.48 | itguy | gentgeen__: or ping silverfox.com |
| 05:08.56 | gentgeen__ | itguy, NO .com |
| 05:09.01 | dude | gentgeen__: me, too just wondering if there is anything else out there? |
| 05:09.04 | dude | jtanoos: ? |
| 05:09.12 | jtanoos | dude, what kind of system do you have? |
| 05:09.22 | gentgeen__ | dude, not in my world ;-) |
| 05:09.27 | itguy | gentgeen__: yep i can ping it from xp |
| 05:09.30 | cjfp | liable: a lot of stuff... |
| 05:09.33 | dude | jtanoos: just run of the mill component built desktop |
| 05:09.43 | gentgeen__ | but really, I have tried others, but just keep coming back |
| 05:09.45 | jtanoos | dude, are we talking PIII or Dual Core? |
| 05:09.46 | cjfp | liable: many things fail... |
| 05:09.51 | gentgeen__ | aptitude/apt-get just rock |
| 05:09.55 | dude | jtanoos: piii |
| 05:10.03 | liable | cjfp: thats no good.. |
| 05:10.08 | jtanoos | dude, im thinking we could outfit you nicely with a debian sarge |
| 05:10.11 | cjfp | liable: but they seem like unsupported functions |
| 05:10.15 | itguy | gentgeen__: so what do u think? |
| 05:10.17 | gentgeen__ | itguy, then most likely the router is taking care of what a host file would do |
| 05:10.25 | gentgeen__ | so no need to mess with a hostfile |
| 05:10.34 | jtanoos | are you comfortable building your own kernels? |
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| 05:10.43 | liable | cjfp: what device in in interfaces? |
| 05:10.53 | jtanoos | most likely some of your hardware wont be compatible |
| 05:10.54 | cjfp | Beacon interval, DTIM period, cnfSupportedRates, cnfBasicRates, could not set host roaming, cnfEnhSecurity...... |
| 05:10.57 | gentgeen__ | try it the other way now... from silverfox do a 'ping $HOSTNAE' for your XP hostname |
| 05:10.59 | cjfp | wifi0 |
| 05:11.08 | dude | jtanoos: ok, ok, that's what im using an like, so will just stick to it. |
| 05:11.10 | jtanoos | that old modem you got? might as well give it to little joey down the block |
| 05:11.17 | liable | cjfp: whats it say when you ifdown/ifup it? |
| 05:11.19 | basket | Hi, someone speak spanish? |
| 05:11.29 | jtanoos | castellano |
| 05:11.37 | streuner | !es |
| 05:11.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:11.54 | jtanoos | pero los terminos de computacion me rompen la cabeza, loco |
| 05:11.55 | cjfp | ifdown wifi0: interface wifi0 not configured |
| 05:12.09 | cjfp | ifup wifi0: Ignoring unknown interface wifi0=wifi0 |
| 05:12.20 | cjfp | should i put wifi0 instead of wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:12.30 | jtanoos | dude, how impt is this desktop to you? |
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| 05:12.34 | jtanoos | how much time do you got on your hands? |
| 05:12.52 | liable | cjfp: ifdown/up whatever the one in the file is |
| 05:13.08 | gentgeen__ | jtanoos, what are you selling.... I have found I spend less time messing with my Debian box then my XP |
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| 05:13.24 | jtanoos | how do you function under stress if your hard drive starts DMA timeouts and your ethernet explodes? |
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| 05:13.46 | jtanoos | hahaha, gentgeen yeah that's true |
| 05:13.57 | jtanoos | i just like to get these novices knowing what they're getting themselves into |
| 05:14.12 | cjfp | liable: i did that, and got those messages i wrote above. then i s/wlan0/wifi0/ and when i ifup wifi0 i get the same unk. hw addr. crap |
| 05:14.14 | jtanoos | he's got a PIII, he's not gonna be running KDE, debian desktop package |
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| 05:14.21 | jtanoos | we're gonna have to file down that debian installation |
| 05:14.26 | gentgeen__ | I know the setup took a bit more time... but that is cause I like mine "just so" |
| 05:14.33 | jtanoos | get it streamlined, flowing bits like a bat out of hell |
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| 05:14.45 | cjfp | liable: i'll retry with wlan0 in the file you think it will make a difference, but I doubt it will. |
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| 05:15.11 | rohan | hi all |
| 05:15.12 | jtanoos | harness that wattage to flow through that PIII and out to a debian system like this world has never seen |
| 05:15.15 | gentgeen__ | dude is not a newbie though... been using Debian already on the server |
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| 05:15.43 | jtanoos | gentgeen, debian is much more than a computer program for me.. its a vision |
| 05:15.54 | cjfp | liable: same thing if i use wlan0 in the file and with ifup/dn |
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| 05:16.23 | rohan | on sid, from within kdm, i am unable to login into kde it just throws me back to kdm ... but from vt if i do "startx `which starkde` -- :1" kde starts absolutely fine. any ideas, please ? the sid install is up to date |
| 05:16.49 | itguy | gentgeen__: ok, can you please help me on how to setup a group ? |
| 05:16.51 | jtanoos | dude, i function more in a capacity of sales and public interest inthis room |
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| 05:17.02 | jtanoos | i really dont have any technical knowledge whatsoever |
| 05:17.10 | itguy | and add/dellete a user to that group |
| 05:17.12 | liable | cjfp: hrmph |
| 05:17.23 | jtanoos | im also a part time entertainer |
| 05:17.31 | cjfp | liable: i think it's a bug somewhere, i just don't know what to file. |
| 05:17.36 | jtanoos | nobody's laughign out loud, but deep down inside they're all slapping their knees |
| 05:17.57 | gentgeen__ | itguy, do a 'man adduser' |
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| 05:18.22 | liable | cjfp: i dont know either, dmesg and kernel logs i guees are the place to start |
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| 05:18.32 | cjfp | liable: i think i'm gonna go with sarge and try again in a month or two. |
| 05:18.36 | gentgeen__ | itguy, simple answer is 'adduser user group' to add an existing user to an existing group |
| 05:18.44 | jtanoos | cjfp, sarge is the way to go i think |
| 05:18.47 | gentgeen__ | or addgroup to make a new group |
| 05:18.50 | jtanoos | man, keep the spirit alive |
| 05:18.57 | jtanoos | we have faith in you |
| 05:18.59 | Jackel | Could anyone recommend a free disassembler? Thanks. |
| 05:19.08 | liable | cjfp: do you still have the 2.6.8 kernel installed? |
| 05:19.13 | cjfp | liable: no |
| 05:19.16 | itguy | gentgeen__: oh i should ask this way, can you explain to me what is the diffrent between user and group and what is the benefit from it please? |
| 05:19.29 | liable | cjfp: re-install it, and pcmcia-cs and reboot |
| 05:19.36 | liable | cjfp: from cache. |
| 05:19.41 | cjfp | liable: what? |
| 05:19.45 | gentgeen__ | itguy, you are a real linux newbie I see :-) |
| 05:19.59 | cjfp | liable: sorry, i don't understand. |
| 05:20.08 | liable | cjfp: with dpkg, from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:20.08 | jtanoos | watch it there, gentgeen, itguy got his orinoco to work, not necessarily a newbie |
| 05:20.11 | itguy | gentgeen__: oh i didn't tell you that, my bad hahhaha |
| 05:20.16 | cjfp | liable: this is a fresh install of etch, 2.6.8 was never on the machine. |
| 05:20.24 | liable | cjfp: oh |
| 05:20.30 | rohan | on sid, from within kdm, i am unable to login into kde it just throws me back to kdm ... but from vt if i do "startx `which starkde` -- :1" kde starts absolutely fine. any ideas, please ? the sid install is up to date ---> also, where can i find any error messages related to this problem ? |
| 05:20.37 | gentgeen__ | jtanoos, WOW.... now try something like a winmodem :-P |
| 05:20.50 | liable | cjfp: the installer is etch? |
| 05:21.03 | cjfp | liable: it's whatever the d-i disc for etch beta 2 is... |
| 05:21.06 | jm_ | rohan: check ~/.xsession* files |
| 05:21.11 | rohan | thanks, jm_ |
| 05:21.12 | liable | rohan: check bts for kdm and file a bug |
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| 05:21.29 | gentgeen__ | itguy, think of it like your family.... $GROUP is your last name and $USER is your first name. |
| 05:21.33 | rohan | aha |
| 05:21.39 | rohan | its a kdm problem in configuration |
| 05:21.40 | rohan | /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession: line 46: /etc/X11/Xsession: No such file or directory |
| 05:21.43 | liable | cjfp: right. that is even more bizzare.. |
| 05:21.52 | rohan | liable: let me make sure that it is not a problem with _my_ pc |
| 05:22.08 | gentgeen__ | there are things that you want the whole family to be able to do --- so you work with $GROUP permissions |
| 05:22.21 | cjfp | liable: what's bizarre is that networking on the installer works... |
| 05:22.26 | gentgeen__ | there are things you do not want your little sister to do, so you work with $USER permissions |
| 05:22.27 | jtanoos | gentgeen, i usually build multiple kernels in multiple systems while having two million lines of code running per second on twelve fiberoptically routed machines |
| 05:22.29 | liable | cjfp: exactly |
| 05:22.33 | jtanoos | all in a days work |
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| 05:22.42 | jtanoos | and i program in lisp! so look out! |
| 05:22.50 | jtanoos | hahahha |
| 05:22.52 | jtanoos | j/k |
| 05:22.53 | cjfp | liable: but, maybe it was built before the switch from pcmcia-cs to pcmciautils occurred. |
| 05:23.09 | jtanoos | look im supposed to be a mediator in here |
| 05:23.16 | liable | cjfp: the etch installer kernel is 2.6.15 so it should be ok |
| 05:23.17 | jtanoos | so no one give me any lip |
| 05:23.21 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, can somebody tell me how can I know what chip does my webcam have? I need to find the driver, is a creative live pro |
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| 05:23.31 | rohan | hmmm |
| 05:23.31 | jtanoos | or i'll erase your existence with some complex lisp program |
| 05:23.32 | jtanoos | hahahah |
| 05:23.41 | jm_ | several people mentioned /etc/X11/Xsession issue, BTS time for you |
| 05:23.52 | rohan | that xsession-errors entry is wrong .. there doe exist /etc/X11/Xsession this file |
| 05:24.01 | rohan | jm_: bts time == do i file a bug ? |
| 05:24.07 | gentgeen__ | jtanoos, I dont know if I should be impressed or laughing :-) |
| 05:24.21 | Jackel | No recommendations for a free disassembler? :/ |
| 05:24.22 | jm_ | rohan: no, you always check BTS before submitting anything |
| 05:24.33 | gentgeen__ | itguy, you might want to get a good book |
| 05:24.55 | rohan | if only it were easier to search the bts :S |
| 05:25.00 | jm_ | rohan: anyway, check if /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession is a script, and debug it, same goes for /etc/X11/Xsession, which is a script |
| 05:25.06 | cjfp | liable: i don't even know how to file a bug report for this... |
| 05:25.17 | gravity | rohan: mv /etc/X11/Xsession.xfree86 /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 05:25.36 | itguy | gentgeen__: i heared that there a good one on #debian called "gentgreen"?lol |
| 05:25.40 | jm_ | I suppose it's also mentioned on the page in the topic |
| 05:25.41 | gentgeen__ | itguy, maybe do an "apt-get install rutebook" -- it is a bit dated, but LOTS of good info |
| 05:25.51 | rohan | aha, i see there is no /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 05:25.53 | cjfp | liable: as in, against pcmciautils? |
| 05:25.54 | rohan | thanks a lot, gravity |
| 05:25.57 | gravity | No problem |
| 05:26.00 | rohan | gravity: but isnt it xfree86 ? :S |
| 05:26.06 | streuner | jm_: yes, stew editied it yesterday |
| 05:26.07 | gentgeen__ | lol... to bad it is 1:30 AM here... this book is getting ready to close |
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| 05:26.07 | gravity | eh? |
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| 05:27.03 | rohan | gravity: isnt that the Xsession for xfree86, and sid uses xorg ? |
| 05:27.29 | gravity | rohan: No... it's a fuckup in the upgrade path |
| 05:27.40 | rohan | gravity: aha ok |
| 05:27.48 | gravity | rohan: It just got named to that because I was only thinking about upgrading from sarge, which has xfree86, not from sid, which has xorg |
| 05:27.55 | jm_ | streuner: yeah, but people don't read anything and use sid |
| 05:27.58 | rohan | gravity: right, even the script itself says "/etc/X11/Xsession" |
| 05:28.08 | itguy | gentgeen__: doesn't work |
| 05:28.20 | rohan | gravity: it is named like that for all sid users :S even for those like me who started from sid |
| 05:28.49 | liable | cjfp: i dont know myself |
| 05:28.56 | gravity | rohan: I know. The fix has been uploaded to incoming. It'll be there tomorrow. It basically just prevents the problem from happening and does the move itself if the conditions are right |
| 05:29.08 | cjfp | liable: is it worth getting packages from sid? |
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| 05:29.16 | gravity | I spent several hours tonight polishing it, so hopefully it'll perform as expected |
| 05:29.22 | rohan | gravity: and now, if i mv the file manually as you told, it wont cause any problems, will it ? |
| 05:29.26 | gentgeen__ | itguy, you running stable/unstable/testing? |
| 05:29.31 | gravity | rohan: No |
| 05:29.36 | cjfp | liable: e.g. apt-get install -t unstable pcmciatutils |
| 05:29.36 | gravity | rohan: It'll only fix things. |
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| 05:29.42 | rohan | gravity: ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 05:29.45 | gravity | rohan: No problem |
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| 05:30.22 | gentgeen__ | itguy, forget that question... it is available or all |
| 05:30.26 | gentgeen__ | what went wrong? |
| 05:30.42 | itguy | gentgeen__: i think stable |
| 05:31.18 | itguy | Package rutebook is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:31.18 | itguy | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:31.18 | itguy | is only available from another source |
| 05:31.19 | gentgeen__ | itguy, 'cat /etc/apt/source.list' and look at the tail end of any line |
| 05:31.22 | rohan | one more Q ... what does debian do to its sftp program, such that it supports the up,left,right and so on keys ? no other distro does it ! i can check the diff.gz but if anyone knows, can they please tell me ? |
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| 05:31.50 | gentgeen__ | that will tell you which version you are running |
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| 05:32.31 | rohan | also, is there any guide that teaches me how to build .deb's in chroot / |
| 05:32.33 | liable | cjfp: i dont think so |
| 05:32.49 | cjfp | liable: reading the pcmciautils homepage now... |
| 05:32.53 | itguy | gentgeen__: unstable |
| 05:33.01 | killown | how i set font in xpdf? |
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| 05:33.41 | gentgeen__ | itguy, Linux newbie... and you are running Debian unstable??? |
| 05:33.57 | gentgeen__ | you need to find a different hobby :-) |
| 05:34.11 | gentgeen__ | or try something like Ubuntu and family |
| 05:34.18 | jm_ | killown: as per xpdf man page, but note that this does not apply to the document |
| 05:34.20 | itguy | gentgeen__: lol |
| 05:34.36 | rohan | ubuntu and family, gentgeen__ ? :D |
| 05:34.42 | itguy | gentgeen__: too late now |
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| 05:35.28 | gentgeen__ | Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, edubuntu, joesmoubuntu.... its like rabbits "over there" |
| 05:35.31 | killown | i want to define list of fonts for xpdf |
| 05:35.45 | gentgeen__ | not that it is bad... just seems pretty crazy TO ME |
| 05:35.52 | rohan | gentgeen__: ROFLOL ... gentgeenubuntu rohanubuntu ;) |
| 05:37.14 | gentgeen__ | itguy, -- go here -- same thing http://www.yiluda.net/manual/linux/rute/ |
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| 05:38.32 | liable | wow, i just got a bluetooth headset and it actually works with linux and skype, and it doesnt even hog my sound card *shock* :) |
| 05:38.48 | okie | :) |
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| 05:39.10 | itguy | gentgeen__: thanks |
| 05:39.20 | teledyn | liable: which bluetooth adapter? |
| 05:39.30 | liable | teledyn: headset? |
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| 05:39.45 | teledyn | liable: yeah but what adapter does it connect to? |
| 05:39.57 | liable | teledyn: stinkpad blutooth built in. |
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| 05:40.04 | killown | xpdf Error: No display font for 'Courier' do it error why ? |
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| 05:40.11 | teledyn | liable: you wouldn't happen to know the chipset? |
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| 05:40.27 | liable | teledyn: erm, sec |
| 05:40.38 | jguran | does the debian version of acrobat reader 7.0 supports browsing? |
| 05:40.43 | teledyn | cjfp: why? |
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| 05:40.52 | cjfp | ask liable |
| 05:41.03 | cjfp | actually, i guess it's just a wireless card |
| 05:41.09 | cheal | jguran: which debian version of acrobat reader? |
| 05:41.19 | jguran | 7.0 |
| 05:41.45 | cheal | jguran: that looks like an acrobat reader version |
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| 05:41.58 | liable | teledyn: lspci doesnt actually even show the bluetooth bit, but the part No is 91P7315 |
| 05:42.01 | DragonD | i use dpkg -i blah.deb to install a package and i get dependicy errors. how can i get it to solve the debendicys automatically? |
| 05:42.22 | valdyn | DragonD: by using apt-get or aptitude |
| 05:42.34 | DragonD | will apt-get install a deb file? |
| 05:42.40 | teledyn | jguran: i don't even see a place to enter a URL in it... |
| 05:42.42 | valdyn | DragonD: no |
| 05:42.45 | liable | DragonD: you can force it and the apt-get -f install, but it may not work, depending on the deps |
| 05:42.51 | rohan | DragonD: put the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives and do "sudo apt-get install DEBFILE" but without .deb |
| 05:42.53 | teledyn | liable: 91P7315 thanks |
| 05:43.02 | rohan | DragonD: that will work only if the .deb is actually in the repo |
| 05:43.04 | jguran | cheal: sorry, i thought u that's what u want. let me check. |
| 05:43.16 | rohan | DragonD: or just install with the dep. errors and do "sudo apt-get -f install" |
| 05:43.21 | DragonD | rohan: i't not... |
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| 05:44.09 | liable | !tell dak about away |
| 05:44.12 | teledyn | liable: try hcitool |
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| 05:44.39 | rohan | DragonD: then just install with the dep. errors and do "sudo apt-get -f install" |
| 05:44.42 | gentgeen__ | itguy, just found this http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/linuxbooks.html |
| 05:45.04 | teledyn | hcitool dev |
| 05:45.17 | liable | teledyn: it only gives mac, if you google that part no, i am sure i have seen what the actuall chip is somewhere |
| 05:45.46 | liable | teledyn: it actuall sees it as a usb dev... |
| 05:45.47 | jguran | cheal: embarassing but i don't seem to know the name of the package. i thought it is acrobat, but no. |
| 05:45.56 | DragonD | rohan: apt-get -f install is tring to remove the package |
| 05:46.24 | itguy | gentgeen__: thank, one last thing i just did mkdir /pub but when i do ls i can't see it ...why? |
| 05:46.28 | teledyn | liable: that's good that it works. i got a $40 usb adapter and can data transfer to my phone, but the headset is having a problem |
| 05:46.45 | gentgeen__ | itguy, try ls / |
| 05:46.53 | liable | teledyn: you read the alsa-bluetooth site? |
| 05:46.59 | cjfp | liable: i want to say thanks anyway for spending that time, man. do you think ubuntu will work as a temporary excuse until etch gets sorted out? sarge just seems like a bit of a downgrade, and maybe more of a pain than i was thinking. |
| 05:47.00 | itguy | did that too, but can't see it |
| 05:47.22 | liable | cjfp: sure. |
| 05:47.51 | teledyn | liable: i can't remember if i had or not. probably at one time. should try again though |
| 05:47.53 | rohan | DragonD: oh, then the dependencies are unresolvable, it seems |
| 05:47.56 | liable | cjfp: try it, etch wont be far off being stable, even though the release is a little way off, it will be frozen soon enough |
| 05:47.59 | gentgeen__ | itguy, it is not considered "cosher" (sp?) to put something like that at the root fo the file system. |
| 05:48.04 | DragonD | well that sucks |
| 05:48.05 | jguran | cheal: on the kde menu, it is "pdf viewer (acrobat reader)". |
| 05:48.10 | liable | teledyn: http://www.linux.ie/articles/bluetoothheadset.php |
| 05:48.19 | gentgeen__ | maybe put it in /opt/pub or maybe /usr/local/pub |
| 05:48.42 | liable | teledyn: i got the btsco package elsewhere, the cvs didnt want to compile, but i cant remember where i got it atm |
| 05:48.56 | teledyn | liable: is that just a miniPCI thing you've got? |
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| 05:49.14 | liable | teledyn: its actually a combind modem/bluetooth card |
| 05:49.24 | gentgeen__ | itguy, http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html looks nice too... probably a bit dated though |
| 05:49.51 | gentgeen__ | anyway... 2AM here... got to get some shuteye before the 6AM alarm goes off |
| 05:49.59 | liable | teledyn: the headset is the thing that needs drivers. get a jabra or motorolla or whatever they say is supported |
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| 05:50.38 | liable | teledyn: i fucked up and actually got one that wasnt listed as supported, but it works anyway :) |
| 05:50.46 | teledyn | liable: yeah i got a h<something> motorola. actually, despite the cost, it sucks. when i'm anywhere with a noisy background people can't hear me. the boom is too short i think |
| 05:51.11 | liable | yeah the hs810/850's are supported |
| 05:51.39 | liable | and as i found out hs820 |
| 05:51.39 | teledyn | mine's h700 |
| 05:52.24 | jguran | cheal: does it matter which version of debian acrobat it is? |
| 05:52.54 | itguy | gentgeen__: i even tried to make dir inside a usr account and it's not showing at all |
| 05:53.09 | liable | teledyn: http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 05:53.21 | SonnyBurnett | Hello, can you help me how to install a webcam in debian? I know what module I need: scpca5xx |
| 05:53.48 | cjfp | liable: ok, will try version 5.10. take care. thanks also itguy for trying. off to install ubuntu, something i thought i'd never do... |
| 05:54.07 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: well, if you have a driver what's the problem then? |
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| 05:54.38 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: did you google for? |
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| 05:54.59 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, I still dont understand very well the procedure, if I hava the module avaiable for my kernel, whats the regular procedure? |
| 05:55.06 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, yep |
| 05:55.09 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 05:55.50 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: install build-essential and kernel-headers for your kernel |
| 05:56.07 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, Linux version 2.6.15-1-686-smp (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 SMP Mon Mar 6 15:34:50 UTC 2006 |
| 05:56.39 | itguy | gentgeen__: huh...if i'm at the shell i can't create a folder, but i can use the same cmd and create the same folder under gnome terminal? funny!! |
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| 05:56.47 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, ok I already have these pkgs installed |
| 05:56.51 | liable | now i just need to automate this thing :) |
| 05:57.05 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: ok, so its a third-party source? |
| 05:57.35 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: (you have the source-code avaiable) |
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| 05:57.46 | jtanoos | you guys miss me? |
| 05:58.14 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, nop the module is avaiable in the debian repositories: spca5xx-modules-2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 05:58.42 | jtanoos | quick question, why is it that when i (iwlist wlan0 scan) it shows all the networks as "managed" and not "manager"? |
| 05:58.46 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: what stops you to modprobe it then? |
| 05:59.11 | jtanoos | i thought "managed" was client and "manager" was LAN? |
| 05:59.51 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, when I do: #modprobe spca5xx, the module was not found |
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| 06:00.36 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# modinfo spca5xx modinfo: could not find module spca5xx |
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| 06:00.46 | jtanoos | wow, i guess i actually hit on one of those fundamental philosophical questions that even the most advanced debian users have to ponder |
| 06:01.08 | jtanoos | maybe this question will spark a great work of art, a novel, a painting, a Documentation... |
| 06:01.31 | jtanoos | wine and cheese for everyone! |
| 06:01.38 | jtanoos | bring your grapes and togas |
| 06:02.08 | valdyn | jtanoos: networks can be 'managed', the ap is the 'manager' |
| 06:02.18 | valdyn | jtanoos: you're scanning for networks |
| 06:02.32 | jtanoos | what's the diff btw a network and an ap? |
| 06:02.40 | jtanoos | ap can be an individaul computer? |
| 06:02.53 | jtanoos | or do you think it misrepresents it as a computer? |
| 06:02.55 | valdyn | jtanoos: one network can have more than 1 ap |
| 06:03.15 | jtanoos | hmm, perplexing |
| 06:03.27 | jtanoos | is this a minute detail i shouldnt be bothered by? |
| 06:03.40 | valdyn | jtanoos: yep |
| 06:03.45 | jtanoos | thanks, valdyn |
| 06:03.53 | jtanoos | you've just been upgraded to debian guru |
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| 06:04.00 | jtanoos | you're on your way to debian god |
| 06:04.06 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: did you search for (apt-cache search spca5xx-modules)? |
| 06:04.13 | jtanoos | we usually reserve that title for Zoob, my idol |
| 06:04.19 | jtanoos | but he hasnt been around |
| 06:04.23 | jtanoos | so we might have to demote him |
| 06:04.23 | warreng | how can i figure out whether something in /etc/init.d will run at startup time or not? |
| 06:05.03 | jtanoos | if you see him around, you tell him that there's a bounty on his head |
| 06:05.06 | jtanoos | hahahah |
| 06:05.26 | streuner | warreng: check the runlevels itself? |
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| 06:05.33 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, yep I installed the pkg: apt-cache search spca5xx-modules-2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 06:05.50 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, yep I installed the pkg: spca5xx-modules-2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 06:06.04 | jtanoos | you guys ever checked out any other channels on this server? |
| 06:06.19 | jtanoos | anywhere more sociable than this dungeon? |
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| 06:06.42 | jtanoos | nobody has personality here |
| 06:07.09 | valdyn | warreng: services that have links in /etc/rc.boot/ and /etc/rc<default runlevel>.d/ are start 'on boot' |
| 06:07.10 | chealer9 | jtanoos: since when do bots lack personality? |
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| 06:07.20 | jtanoos | hahah chealer, that's true |
| 06:07.28 | jtanoos | those bot babes are the best, hahahah |
| 06:07.34 | jtanoos | no talk and all play |
| 06:07.48 | streuner | warreng: ls -l /etc/rc2.d |
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| 06:08.10 | warreng | aren't there nice commands to add/remove things from runlevels? |
| 06:08.21 | valdyn | warreng: yes, 'ln' |
| 06:08.32 | jtanoos | chealer, do you think im less of a human for giving up on debian after a few weeks? |
| 06:08.38 | SonnyBurnett | How do I know if I have a option enabled in my kernel? specifically "Video for Linux" |
| 06:08.40 | Gnea | jtanoos: freenode is a technical network, not a social network. /server irc.undernet.org |
| 06:08.42 | warreng | valdyn: haha.... right |
| 06:09.08 | jtanoos | undernet, shmundernet, i want sociability and debian chat |
| 06:09.12 | jtanoos | i used to use dalnet |
| 06:09.12 | valdyn | warreng: im serious, all those tools dont do any good really |
| 06:09.15 | jtanoos | bunch of losers |
| 06:09.21 | valdyn | warreng: 'GUI' tools |
| 06:09.33 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: custom kernel? |
| 06:09.42 | Gnea | jtanoos: that's fine, keep the chatter on-topic then |
| 06:09.45 | SonnyBurnett | jm_, stock |
| 06:09.48 | jtanoos | gnea okay |
| 06:09.50 | jtanoos | im sorry |
| 06:09.52 | jtanoos | :( |
| 06:09.55 | jtanoos | i'll move on |
| 06:10.04 | Gnea | !tell jtanoos about rules |
| 06:10.06 | warreng | valdyn: i wasn't talking gui tools.. but i thought there were some scripts that made adding/removing startup scripts easier... |
| 06:10.13 | warreng | (not that ln is hard) |
| 06:10.16 | Gnea | !tell jtanoos about enter |
| 06:10.37 | streuner | warreng: man update-rc.d |
| 06:11.00 | warreng | streuner: ahh that's what i was looing for |
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| 06:11.02 | warreng | thanks |
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| 06:11.02 | doms | were i can download a cafe time manager both linux and windows boxes? |
| 06:11.07 | valdyn | warreng: if you want to do this: a) move default /etc/init.d/ script away, make one with a new name of your choice ( like service.custom ), and use whatever tool to create the links |
| 06:11.18 | Gnea | doms: a what? |
| 06:11.22 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: it has config in /boot |
| 06:11.28 | valdyn | warreng: the tools dont do the first step for you |
| 06:12.11 | warreng | right right... thanks guys |
| 06:13.02 | SonnyBurnett | jm_, excuse me? |
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| 06:19.23 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: Debian kernels have their config file in /boot, look there |
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| 06:20.17 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: grep -i v4lin /boot/config |
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| 06:21.51 | punsad | Is it "safe" to just use the most current kernel available through apt or should I use a more recent one.. I read somewhere that the older 2.6 kernels have major security flaws |
| 06:22.08 | punsad | I'm using 2.6.8 |
| 06:22.14 | valdyn | punsad: that is ok |
| 06:22.34 | valdyn | punsad: as long as you use the kernels provided by security.debian.org |
| 06:23.24 | punsad | good... I tried compiling the current one (2.6.16.13) and it compiled, but for somereason went into a kernel panic when trying to boot |
| 06:24.24 | SonnyBurnett | May I use the config of my old kernel 2.6.12 in my 2.6.15 ? |
| 06:24.34 | punsad | valdyn: well i've got security.debian.org in my sources.list file... so I think I'm okay |
| 06:24.41 | valdyn | punsad: yep |
| 06:24.44 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: hell, why? |
| 06:25.11 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: you have already everything, just read the docs of it |
| 06:25.21 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: you can usually, and then run 'make oldconfig' to set the new options |
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| 06:26.29 | pitillo | punsad, using a 2.6.16 with stable? |
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| 06:26.59 | punsad | I did not successfully boot using it |
| 06:27.22 | punsad | the last error on the screen said something about not being able to mount my root directory |
| 06:27.35 | valdyn | punsad: a few things break anyway if you use newer kernels, so you probably dont want to go that way anyway |
| 06:28.13 | punsad | I did succussfully compile it... and yes I am running sarge |
| 06:28.13 | pitillo | punsad, I dont understand the use of that kernel with stable |
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| 06:28.13 | punsad | I was just mucking around... |
| 06:28.21 | pitillo | punsad, but take a look to the support in your kernel to the fs used by your root partition |
| 06:28.31 | punsad | Figured I was still using 2.4 and just upgraded to 2.6 |
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| 06:28.55 | pitillo | punsad, yes, but the version in stable is 2.6.8 I think |
| 06:28.56 | punsad | I was just using ext3 |
| 06:29.13 | punsad | yeah... that's what I'm using now |
| 06:29.25 | pitillo | punsad, and do you have support builtin in your kernel |
| 06:29.49 | pitillo | punsad, sorry, it was a question |
| 06:29.50 | punsad | pitillo: support for my fs? (ext3?) - yes |
| 06:30.27 | pitillo | punsad, built in or like a module? |
| 06:30.55 | punsad | welll... I just did lsmod and it looks like it's a module |
| 06:31.18 | punsad | seems to be fine as a module for 2.6.8 then |
| 06:31.23 | pitillo | punsad, that in your current kernel 2.6.8, take a look to the configuration of the new kernel |
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| 06:31.39 | pitillo | punsad, and give a try to built in |
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| 06:32.29 | punsad | pitillo: will do... it takes ~ 1.5 hours to compile my kernel :)... I'll try it some other time. No rush. |
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| 06:32.44 | pitillo | punsad, and think that version 2.6.16 (Im not sure) dont use devfs, use udev |
| 06:32.48 | punsad | pitillo: thanks for the advice |
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| 06:34.09 | pitillo | punsad, nothing man. I hope I can give you any clue... but think what are you doing... use a stable version with unstable kernel (IMO that isn?t a goog choice) |
| 06:34.57 | punsad | pitillo: good point.... |
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| 06:37.23 | punsad | pitillo: do you have any idea when the last change was made for the stable debian kernel? is it a security risk if it does not get updated? |
| 06:37.41 | jofre | hey... does anyone knows how can i configure ethernet interfaces ? |
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| 06:37.53 | atsi | hello |
| 06:37.55 | streuner | jofre: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 06:37.56 | SonnyBurnett | I'm compiling a kernel in Etch and when I do: make menuconfig, I receive this output: http://pastebin.com/699524 |
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| 06:38.33 | jofre | doesnt work ? |
| 06:38.39 | streuner | punsad: do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list? |
| 06:38.47 | punsad | streuner: yes |
| 06:39.07 | streuner | so it should take care of it... |
| 06:39.18 | punsad | struner: cool |
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| 06:41.53 | pitillo | punsad, IMO the risk resides in the configuration that you can do compiling it... the newer versions of kernel are to support new hardware. |
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| 06:42.36 | SonnyBurnett | Can somebody help me please? I'm compiling a kernel in Etch and when I do: make menuconfig, I receive this error: http://pastebin.com/699524, how can I solve it? |
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| 06:43.17 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: why not just using an official kernel? |
| 06:43.29 | punsad | SonnyBurnett: are you using make-kpkg? |
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| 06:44.03 | streuner | Its not trivial to compile kernels nowadays, there are more than 500 options |
| 06:44.11 | SonnyBurnett | punsad: /usr/src/linux/# make menuconfig |
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| 06:45.00 | pitillo | streuner, IMO the options are less important than the fact that you must know what are you doing |
| 06:45.12 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, Ok... to install my webcam.. I need to install the compile the module that I told you before, cause when I try to modprobe it, I cant fid it |
| 06:45.33 | pitillo | s/the options/the number of options |
| 06:45.36 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: did you read the docs for? |
| 06:45.57 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, I know the steps to compile a kernel |
| 06:46.11 | streuner | no, you don't |
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| 06:46.46 | SonnyBurnett | why not? I always did the same steps, but now I got this error |
| 06:47.55 | liable | anyone played with btsco and skype hijacker?? |
| 06:47.58 | Gumby` | does anyone here know where the default firmware directory is in debian? I am having a heck of a time trying to get some firmware to load on module insert |
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| 06:48.52 | zx8 | how do i configure a pcmcia wifi card to use a different module? |
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| 06:49.57 | maik | hola |
| 06:50.15 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: try 'depmod -a' |
| 06:50.33 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: the modules is already in the right place |
| 06:50.40 | maik | i need help in spanish plese |
| 06:50.46 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, let clear some things.... If I have a kernel-2.x.y and I have the modules-2.x.y , what should I do to load the module? in order to install the support for my webcam? |
| 06:50.47 | dondelelcaro | maik: #debian-es |
| 06:50.49 | maik | please sorry |
| 06:51.17 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: as i told you, say to the system where to find (depmod -a) |
| 06:51.23 | maik | thank you |
| 06:51.36 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: if that doesn't work, just reboot the box |
| 06:52.11 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: if you have discover/hotplug installed it auto loads the module then |
| 06:52.15 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, I dont have to do (as with nvidia), use the module-assistant? |
| 06:52.23 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: no |
| 06:52.34 | streuner | /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx.ko |
| 06:52.47 | pitillo | Gumby`, did you read the info provided with the module or with the firmware? |
| 06:53.09 | SonnyBurnett | yeah! you where right.... now I have the module loaded |
| 06:53.26 | punsad | Has anyone tried using qemu to run windowsxp from linux? I just read a review in LinuxJournal and it looks really impressive. I believe the install was on a debian box |
| 06:53.28 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: run 'lsusb' |
| 06:53.50 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: do you see the webcam there? |
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| 06:54.47 | plutonas | kanena channel gia mixanes, i edo i sto freenode xerete? |
| 06:55.10 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, I just see: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 041e:4038 Creative Technology, Ltd |
| 06:55.17 | streuner | ok |
| 06:56.00 | plutonas | sorry! |
| 06:56.26 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, The problem is that I dont have "Video for Linux" enabled |
| 06:56.57 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: its already in your kernel, just use an app |
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| 06:58.06 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, Ok... I must turn off my PC.... the proc zone is at 82°C |
| 06:58.08 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: apt-get install gqcam |
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| 06:58.30 | zx8 | i am trying to set up a pcmcia wifi card |
| 06:58.34 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, thanksssssssssss I'll be back in a minute |
| 06:58.39 | zx8 | when i insert it it is loading the wrong module |
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| 06:59.02 | zx8 | i want to change which module linux loads for it when i insert it |
| 06:59.32 | punsad | zx8: can you just rmmod the bad module and modprobe the one you want? |
| 07:00.03 | zx8 | no |
| 07:00.15 | zx8 | i want to change it in the pcmcia config |
| 07:00.18 | Gumby` | pitillo: indeed I did. Its hotplug that controls where the firmware was located. |
| 07:00.30 | punsad | zx8: example: rmmod bad_module; modprobe good_module |
| 07:00.36 | Gumby` | does anyone here have any idea how I'd go about fixing this.... |
| 07:00.40 | Gumby` | firmware.agent[13908]: /sys//class/firmware/i2c-2/ does not exist |
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| 07:00.46 | zx8 | how do i know that the module will associate with the correct hardware? |
| 07:01.01 | streuner | if it works? |
| 07:01.11 | Gumby` | zx8: because the module is tied into the pciid of the hardware |
| 07:01.18 | jm_ | firmware.agent is a shell script |
| 07:01.50 | jm_ | # directories with the firmware files |
| 07:01.51 | jm_ | FIRMWARE_DIRS="/lib/firmware /usr/local/lib/firmware /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware" |
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| 07:01.57 | ordenador27 | ola |
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| 07:02.07 | jm_ | took about 10s which included downlading hotplug |
| 07:02.15 | Gumby` | jm_: yes, Ive figured that much out thus far. I'm not onto a totally different issue |
| 07:02.59 | zx8 | i cant get my pcmcia wifi card to work! |
| 07:03.17 | jm_ | Gumby`: it will wait for 5 seconds and then give up |
| 07:03.32 | zx8 | can someone help me with this |
| 07:03.48 | zx8 | dmesg is saying that hostap_cs is having some problems |
| 07:04.47 | punsad | zx8: what is the actual error message? |
| 07:04.55 | punsad | zx8: is there more information? |
| 07:05.52 | punsad | zx8: hostap_cs - is that a wifi card module? I've never heard of it |
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| 07:06.34 | zx8 | hostap_cs:assuming no primary image in flash - card initialization not completed |
| 07:06.44 | zx8 | then it goes on to set up wifi0 and wlan0 |
| 07:07.38 | Gumby` | zx8: sounds like that card needs to use some sort of firmware or needs to be flashed like a USB wifi card. you may want to look into ndiswrapper |
| 07:07.52 | zx8 | then i get some messages from the prism2_pccard |
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| 07:08.02 | doms | internet cafe manager like controls all client windows |
| 07:08.19 | punsad | zx8: that sounds like a wifi module |
| 07:08.30 | ogre | gpg --export 084750FC01a6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F |
| 07:08.36 | ogre | doh sorry |
| 07:08.53 | atsi | i was trying to install debian to a machine at work, but no luck with the ethernet card. now it is running fedora and lspci returns 00:1b.0 Ethernet controller: ALi Corporation M5263 Ethernet Controller (rev 50) |
| 07:08.54 | atsi | , could someone help to find out how i could install debian stable? |
| 07:08.57 | atsi | plz prefix |
| 07:09.05 | doms | internet cafe manager like controls all client windows |
| 07:09.23 | streuner | atsi: did you read ig (install-guide)? |
| 07:09.26 | streuner | !ig |
| 07:09.27 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 07:09.27 | zx8 | i am running linux on a jornada 720 off a cf flash card |
| 07:09.36 | punsad | atsi: sure... get an install cd, insert into cd-drive and reboot |
| 07:09.50 | zx8 | its a real pain in the ass do reboot everytime i want to test somthing |
| 07:10.04 | punsad | zx8: is that a palmtop? |
| 07:10.11 | zx8 | hpc |
| 07:10.13 | atsi | punsad, that's what i did. it did not find that particular ethercard |
| 07:10.21 | atsi | streuner, yes about it? |
| 07:10.44 | streuner | !tell atsi about ig |
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| 07:11.32 | atsi | streuner, i did read that. i am using debian for some time now! all i am asking is that this particular ethercard is not supported. how can i make it work? |
| 07:11.49 | streuner | atsi: find a driver? |
| 07:11.54 | punsad | atsi: have you googled it? |
| 07:11.55 | litage | when i pipe the output of dpkg through grep, the formatting changes and the spacing becomes terrible. how can i fix this?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fCQMAg35.html |
| 07:12.07 | streuner | atsi: is the NIC supported in linux? |
| 07:12.25 | atsi | streuner, ok, that's why i am here. cause i had trouble locating it. |
| 07:12.29 | jm_ | litage: and why is that bothering you? |
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| 07:12.40 | streuner | atsi: do you have another NIC handy? |
| 07:12.44 | litage | jm_: because the first field is truncated |
| 07:12.49 | punsad | atsi: I've never hear of it... |
| 07:12.56 | litage | s/first/second/ |
| 07:12.58 | atsi | streuner, i do not know. it works fine with fedora though. but i want to get rid of fedora and install sarge/ |
| 07:13.08 | streuner | hm |
| 07:13.34 | jm_ | litage: the same happens with narrower terminals and the FAQ will tell you how to address the issue |
| 07:13.40 | streuner | what does 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' say about? |
| 07:13.40 | atsi | punsad, streuner, the ethernet card is onboard on an ASUS P5RD1-VM motherboard. |
| 07:13.54 | jm_ | litage: alternatively, use dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:13.56 | streuner | atsi: we need the chipset of the NIC |
| 07:14.17 | streuner | what does 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' say about? |
| 07:14.28 | atsi | streuner, [root@atsi aris]# /sbin/lspci -v | grep -i eth |
| 07:14.28 | atsi | 00:1b.0 Ethernet controller: ALi Corporation M5263 Ethernet Controller (rev 50) |
| 07:14.28 | atsi | [root@atsi aris]# |
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| 07:16.07 | atsi | streuner, any ideas? |
| 07:16.21 | is_null | p |
| 07:16.33 | deadcat | those damn sponsored links on google's page is pretty annoying. can i block those? |
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| 07:17.07 | litage | jm_: when you said "the FAQ will tell you how to address the issue", were you referring to the "COLUMNS=200" shell option? |
| 07:17.10 | krnl`- | hi all |
| 07:17.25 | is_null | hello everybody; i can't make the touchpad or the usb mouse to work with xorg; however server x starts correctly, any clue ? |
| 07:17.44 | litage | is_null: check X's log |
| 07:17.50 | jm_ | litage: indeed |
| 07:18.27 | litage | jm_: why are the fields truncated? |
| 07:18.35 | zx8 | how do i set my backspace key |
| 07:18.50 | deadcat | zx8: stty |
| 07:18.59 | jm_ | litage: so that more info fits on screen? |
| 07:19.02 | zx8 | with what options? |
| 07:19.12 | zx8 | i dont have man on this little box |
| 07:19.21 | deadcat | zx8: i have stty erase '^H' |
| 07:19.30 | deadcat | or something like that |
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| 07:20.28 | krnl`- | i need some help about iptables. i need commands that do the following: allow everything for port 80, allow for 2 ip the 22 port, and block everything else! |
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| 07:20.41 | zx8 | thanks |
| 07:20.45 | krnl`- | could u write this some commands in? |
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| 07:21.08 | Ademan | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-cd/ are all of the different torrents separate CDs for the install? |
| 07:21.15 | wobbler | atsi, google shows it needs the uli526x |
| 07:21.21 | streuner | atsi: can you paste the output of 'lsmod' into paster bot? |
| 07:21.29 | punsad | atsi: that card may not be supported in the stock linux kernels |
| 07:21.31 | streuner | !paste |
| 07:21.31 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:21.45 | punsad | atsi: I mean... stock debian linux kernels |
| 07:21.59 | atsi | punsad, say again |
| 07:22.01 | ogre | I'm having trouble installing the new public key via BitchX using the /exec command, I got the first part up to --recv-keys yadda yadda, but everything after the ; I can't get to work |
| 07:22.19 | streuner | wobbler: not according to this thread http://groups.google.de/group/it-alt.comp.os.linux.suse/browse_thread/thread/897ab4ceb2c06fdf/fbb65dd65ee25076?lnk=st&q=debian+ALi+Corporation+M5263+Ethernet+Controller+(rev+50)&rnum=1&hl=de#fbb65dd65ee25076 |
| 07:22.41 | streuner | wobber: he's using SuSE and use, so it seems to me, tulip driver |
| 07:23.14 | atsi | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2487 |
| 07:23.33 | atsi | punsad, i did not get what you are talking about |
| 07:23.33 | punsad | atsi: you may need to recompile the kernel, perhaps, and make sure you include the driver for that card as a module |
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| 07:23.58 | is_null | litage, i have just ficnished checking the log and nothing is anormal, x server xorg fires up but mouse is not working even thought usb mouse's laser is working |
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| 07:24.20 | atsi | punsad, is there any other way? cause i do not have the time to do it. it's a machine in my office. |
| 07:24.41 | Ademan | so yeah.... are those all just torrents for isos for each cd? |
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| 07:26.12 | punsad | atsi: have you tried ubuntu? it seems like it has better support for various peripherals ... and its debian based |
| 07:26.38 | streuner | atsi: well, it looks ok to me |
| 07:26.40 | atsi | punsad, same think there. i tried it already. |
| 07:26.50 | atsi | streuner, what it looks ok to u. |
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| 07:27.42 | streuner | atsi: did you set up /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:28.11 | atsi | streuner, now i am in that machine and as i said it runs fedora 5. i want to get rid of it and install sarge! i do not understand what it looks ok. |
| 07:28.40 | atsi | streuner, when i installed the sarge, it did not see any ethercard! |
| 07:28.43 | streuner | atsi: ok :-) just use d-i then |
| 07:28.52 | Ademan | does sarge really have 14 cds to its installer?.. |
| 07:29.02 | punsad | Ademan: no |
| 07:29.02 | atsi | strankan, sorry, what is d-i? |
| 07:29.15 | liable | what python package would the dbus module be in for python? (i have python2.4-dbus too) |
| 07:29.20 | streuner | !d-i atsi |
| 07:29.20 | dpkg | atsi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 07:29.38 | streuner | atsi: if you have problems try kmuto's installer as well |
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| 07:29.53 | Ademan | punsad: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-cd/ there are 14 of em, and at least the first 2 have different sizes |
| 07:30.02 | Ademan | whats each one then? |
| 07:30.26 | punsad | Ademan: to install debian, you just need one cd... the first one |
| 07:30.27 | atsi | streuner, i did the installation from the d-i. it could not continue, cause it need it to see an ethercard |
| 07:30.35 | SlayerXP | Ademan: i didn't see the start of this question, but you don't need to download all those images. |
| 07:30.35 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 07:30.35 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 07:30.42 | streuner | atsi: ^^^ |
| 07:30.44 | atsi | streuner, send me kmuto's installer url pz |
| 07:30.50 | Ademan | k cool, but what are the rest then? |
| 07:30.53 | karsten | Is ther eanything in Debian vaguely like Itunes for managing podcasts? |
| 07:30.59 | HuK0B | hello how I can make my apache to work faster I mean to load the images fast not 1 by 1 and how I can make apache2-threaded+php??? |
| 07:31.12 | SlayerXP | punsad: if you use the inetinstall CD, you need to download a 100Mb images, and then all your packages will be downloaded from the internet |
| 07:32.04 | karsten | Hrm... Or does anyone have words to say about any of: ipodder podracer kitty |
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| 07:33.19 | streuner | !tell atsi about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 07:33.56 | liable | how do i set to use python 2.4 instead of 2.3? |
| 07:34.06 | atsi | streuner, last thing if it get found, what shall i do? |
| 07:34.08 | liable | in a script.. |
| 07:34.17 | punsad_ | liable: are you using sarge? or etch? |
| 07:34.25 | liable | punsad_: sid |
| 07:34.37 | jm_ | liable: #!env python-foo? |
| 07:34.44 | streuner | atsi: ask here again if you have problems or/and #debian-boot |
| 07:34.46 | punsad_ | liable: what is the version of python for sid? |
| 07:35.12 | atsi | streuner, ok thanks a lot mate |
| 07:35.23 | liable | jm_: ah, that solved that issue :) |
| 07:35.25 | jm_ | or rather /usr/bin/env, whichever you prefer |
| 07:35.31 | punsad_ | atsi: I did a google on that card and it looks like there lots of people have problem isntalling it on ubuntu, madriva, debian,.... |
| 07:35.40 | liable | hrm, no it didnt |
| 07:36.04 | splattnik | i would like to start a special command at some time, lets say 1 hour.. i dont want to use cron.. how should i do this? |
| 07:36.07 | atsi | punsad, ok. and the solution is? |
| 07:36.36 | punsad_ | atsi: I didn't see one... you'll need to do some digging on google probably |
| 07:36.49 | streuner | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=debian%20ALi%20Corporation%20M5263%20Ethernet%20Controller%20(rev%2050)&btnG=Suche&sa=N&tab=gw |
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| 07:36.58 | streuner | those shows a bunch of SATA problems |
| 07:37.02 | atsi | punsad, i did and i did not find anything |
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| 07:37.29 | jm_ | liable: try /usr/bin/env then |
| 07:37.55 | streuner | and they AREN'T debian specific |
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| 07:38.37 | liable | jm_: thanks, got it in the end. now got other problems.. :) |
| 07:40.54 | punsad_ | atsi: do you know what kernel you were on on fedora where it was working? You may need to use a more recent kernel. Maybe 2.6.12. The patch for that version says something about ALI 6263 ethernet controller |
| 07:41.35 | atsi | punsad, will a uname -a help u? |
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| 07:42.00 | punsad_ | atsi: if you are running sarge, I already know it's older than 2.6.12 |
| 07:42.31 | atsi | punsad, i am not running sarge. as i said i am running fedora 5! |
| 07:42.45 | liable | jm_: you know much about python? |
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| 07:42.50 | punsad_ | atsi: oh... yeah.. do uname in Fedora |
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| 07:43.30 | atsi | punsad, [aris@atsi ~]$ uname -a |
| 07:43.30 | atsi | Linux atsi.forthnet.gr 2.6.16-1.2107_FC5smp #1 SMP Tue May 2 19:18:41 EDT 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 07:43.30 | atsi | [aris@atsi ~]$ |
| 07:43.49 | jm_ | liable: I know enough to hate it ;) |
| 07:44.10 | tralala | liable: #python is a good place if you need help |
| 07:44.16 | punsad_ | atsi: yeah... that's a much more recent kernel than the one in sarge |
| 07:44.34 | liable | tralala: yeah yeah, everyone asks, noone answers :P |
| 07:44.34 | TickleMeElmo | what is the default sarge kernel |
| 07:44.54 | atsi | punsad, ok. do u have any solutions? |
| 07:44.55 | liable | 2.4.27 |
| 07:45.13 | punsad_ | atsi: try insatlling etch or sid, instead of sarge |
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| 07:45.44 | TickleMeElmo | I am having problems with my sarge setup can someone help me |
| 07:45.50 | atsi | punsad, it has to be sarge. it will be a server. and we want stability |
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| 07:46.41 | punsad_ | atsi: then download at least 2.6.12 kernel and try to compile. I made this suggestion earlier, but it didn't sound like you had the time to do it |
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| 07:47.04 | atsi | punsad, ok thanskl |
| 07:47.23 | tralala | liable: there are a few people answering (me including) |
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| 07:47.45 | liable | tralala: you just joined! |
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| 07:48.51 | stoned | back |
| 07:48.56 | stoned | I had a dream about debian! |
| 07:49.06 | liable | and you remebered it? |
| 07:49.07 | stoned | I dreamt, that I was using debian in my dream |
| 07:49.08 | splattnik | anyone used 'at' before and knows how to use it? |
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| 07:49.20 | stoned | thats all I remember really |
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| 07:49.30 | punsad_ | atsi: just as a check... try to insatll testing.. if it works - then you know it's because of the kernel... ofcourse, be sure to specify the kerel during the install |
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| 07:49.49 | atsi | punsad_, oKtosiTe |
| 07:49.52 | stoned | I know I was on my comuter and it was giving me problems so i did someting or other but i remeber vividly one image in the dream, where I login at the main login prompt after boot |
| 07:50.03 | stoned | crazy man, I gota get outta this channel, this is freaking me out |
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| 07:52.59 | Maulkin | Morning |
| 07:53.46 | stoned | 3am |
| 07:54.11 | Luftzig | I'm compiling a kernel for the first time, and I have an nVidia card, and I'd like to use the property driver. Is there anything special I should do? |
| 07:55.37 | jm_ | Luftzig: no |
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| 07:56.17 | Luftzig | thanks. So I just build the module, like in a stock kernel? |
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| 07:56.34 | Luftzig | I mean, after I build my custom kernel |
| 07:57.13 | jm_ | !tell Luftzig -about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:57.30 | jerome | hum. WHat's the nice, portable way to write "n=n+1" in a sh script ? |
| 07:58.08 | frederick | how do I set up a static Ip address on Debian, |
| 07:58.19 | jerome | ${expr $n+1} feels a bit fat |
| 07:58.27 | R-Ratones | n=$((n+1)) |
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| 07:58.31 | R-Ratones | i think :P |
| 07:58.38 | jengelh | n=$[$n+1]] |
| 07:58.40 | jengelh | one ] |
| 07:59.30 | Maulkin | frederick: man interfaces |
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| 07:59.50 | TickleMeElmo | hey does anyone here have an ati card working in sarge |
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| 08:00.41 | tirkal | hi. I'm building PGSQL 8.1.3 from source on sarge. after running debuild and a long building process, I get "Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!" |
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| 08:00.56 | tirkal | the thing is: I have gnupg, latest stable version installed. |
| 08:01.09 | Maulkin | tirkal: You could pass -us -uc to dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:01.19 | jm_ | $[ is not portable |
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| 08:01.42 | jerome | jm_: $(( then ? |
| 08:01.59 | tirkal | Maulkin: shouldn't I just install whatever package he wants? (all I'm doing is running a debuild) |
| 08:01.59 | frederick | how do I set up a static Ip address on Debian, |
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| 08:03.10 | jm_ | jerome: yeah that will work better |
| 08:03.34 | jm_ | freder;man interfaces, /msg dpkg interfaces, look at examples in $docdir/ifupdown |
| 08:03.41 | jerome | jm_, jengelh, R-Ratones : thanks for help |
| 08:03.45 | tirkal | Maulkin: (i.e. I really wouldn't know how to pass this -uc/-us flags and where) |
| 08:03.50 | R-Ratones | np |
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| 08:04.31 | jguran | what's the edbian package name for acrobat reader? |
| 08:04.44 | jguran | s/edbian/debian |
| 08:05.21 | Maulkin | tirkal: I'm afraid I don't every use debuild, so I don't know what it's trying to do. However, it seems to be trying to sign the .dsc and the .changes. If it's calling dpkg-buildpackage, you should be able to pass arguments to to, which in this case are "-us -uc" to stop it doing so |
| 08:05.29 | Maulkin | tirkal: man debuild may help |
| 08:05.45 | Maulkin | jguran: There's a few... are you runnign gnome or kde? |
| 08:05.55 | jguran | Maulkin: kde |
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| 08:06.05 | snipeswj | hi new in linux using debian 3.1 upgrade kernel to 2.6.8 everthing seems to work but if i try lsmod the used by column is empty followed debian standard method to upgrade, something missing? |
| 08:06.06 | Maulkin | jguran: kpdf or acroread may help |
| 08:06.18 | tirkal | Maulkin: thanks for the advice. the thing is: I want it to sign those packages. |
| 08:06.22 | jguran | Maulkin: thks |
| 08:06.31 | Maulkin | tirkal: ok... why? :) |
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| 08:06.53 | carlos_ | wenas |
| 08:06.57 | Maulkin | tirkal: debsign can be called on the packages afterwards if you really want them signing :) |
| 08:06.57 | carlos_ | algun espaÃąol?? |
| 08:07.00 | is_null | hello everybody, i use default kernel 2.6.8 from sarge netinstall, however module hid does not exist, i beleive this is the reason why my mouse is not working |
| 08:07.01 | R-Ratones | yo |
| 08:07.02 | Maulkin | !es |
| 08:07.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:07.20 | tirkal | Maulkin: hmm, I assume it contributes to security and some such :) and security is a consideration in why I migrated to PG :) |
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| 08:07.57 | salva | carlos estas aki? |
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| 08:08.08 | tirkal | Maulkin: I guess I'll try asking the good folks at #pg as well. no reason debuild should fail, I followed the instructions carefully. |
| 08:08.10 | carlos_ | ratoners eres espaÃąol |
| 08:08.16 | R-Ratones | argentino |
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| 08:08.23 | carlos_ | yeeeeeee |
| 08:08.29 | carlos_ | alguien k abla castellano |
| 08:08.30 | Maulkin | tirkal: They probably won't be able to help |
| 08:08.34 | Maulkin | !es |
| 08:08.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:08.36 | salva_ | carlos |
| 08:08.41 | miguel_ | olaassssssssssssss |
| 08:08.51 | carlos_ | ratones |
| 08:08.56 | salva_ | algun espaÃąol? |
| 08:09.00 | carlos_ | ayi k ora es?? |
| 08:09.18 | miguel_ | ola |
| 08:09.19 | Maulkin | Erm... Can we move this to #debian-es please? |
| 08:09.26 | carlos_ | no |
| 08:09.28 | miguel_ | esto aora me ablas en cristiano???? |
| 08:09.29 | salva_ | claro claro |
| 08:09.36 | carlos_ | you mather fuck you |
| 08:09.37 | Maulkin | carlos_: Move it it #debian-es. |
| 08:09.43 | Maulkin | !ops carlos_ troll |
| 08:09.43 | tralala | dpkg, prevent spanish takeover! |
| 08:09.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: carlos_ troll |
| 08:10.19 | carlos_ | you maulkin fuck whith your mather |
| 08:10.21 | miguel_ | your mother fucker |
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| 08:10.36 | Maulkin | carlos_: No, I fuck with *your* mother. |
| 08:10.42 | miguel_ | your mother is a bitch |
| 08:10.47 | salva_ | your mother is put |
| 08:10.51 | tirkal | !ops miguel troll |
| 08:10.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: miguel troll |
| 08:10.54 | jethro | how about you all stfu and quit fucking each other's mother? |
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| 08:10.58 | tirkal | !ops miguel_ troll |
| 08:10.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: miguel_ troll |
| 08:11.18 | atsi | does anyone know some good programms for dvd authoring in debian? the similar ones in windows are nero_vision and dvd_decrypter.plz prefix |
| 08:11.25 | carlos_ | !ops tirkal troll y ademas un hijo de puta maricon |
| 08:11.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: tirkal troll y ademas un hijo de puta maricon |
| 08:11.25 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it #debian here ? :p |
| 08:11.31 | miguel_ | cagarrutas de vaca cayaros de una puta vez y no rayeis la cabeza |
| 08:11.34 | pinky | What do I do if my CD won't eject? |
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| 08:11.37 | Maulkin | lord_rob: Yup :) |
| 08:11.43 | tralala | where are all the ops when we need them? |
| 08:11.44 | karsten | pinky: Pull out! |
| 08:11.45 | Maulkin | pinky: How are you trying to do it? |
| 08:11.49 | carlos_ | maulkin you come poyas |
| 08:11.54 | miguel_ | ops! tu madre es un troll |
| 08:11.55 | tirkal | Maulkin: I just asked in #pg and was instructed to "debuild -us -uc" :) |
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| 08:11.56 | tralala | pinky: you unmount it |
| 08:11.56 | karsten | pinky: Find out if it's mounted or something's accessing it. |
| 08:12.02 | pinky | It is unmounted |
| 08:12.10 | karsten | pinky: 'mount | grep cd' 'lsof | grep device' |
| 08:12.11 | is_null | this is kids playing |
| 08:12.13 | pinky | And no programs are open that are accessing it |
| 08:12.14 | jguran | help! it's a Spanish invasion. |
| 08:12.16 | lord_rob | tralala: this kind of attitude stops by itself when no one cares of it |
| 08:12.17 | salva_ | alguna vez os an cagado en la boca quereis probar alguno?? |
| 08:12.21 | miguel_ | que si que me monto a tu madre |
| 08:12.23 | carlos_ | maulkin you eiting rabos a gogo |
| 08:12.44 | Maulkin | tirkal: I'd suggest getting the debian sources to be honest |
| 08:12.50 | Maulkin | tirkal: Is it in unstable? |
| 08:12.57 | carlos_ | k pasa boca?? |
| 08:12.59 | Maulkin | it == the version you need |
| 08:13.07 | tirkal | Maulkin: my system is Sarge, the version I need is unstable |
| 08:13.10 | carlos_ | si tu puta madre |
| 08:13.13 | miguel_ | que si q stas con una polla en la boca y no sabes pronunciar |
| 08:13.16 | karsten | !ops @62.81.157.5 trolls. |
| 08:13.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: @62.81.157.5 trolls. |
| 08:13.19 | Maulkin | tirkal: have you tried www.backports.org? :) |
| 08:13.22 | salva_ | Maulkin q te jodan marica q estas molestando capullo |
| 08:13.49 | tralala | lord_rob: yeah, I'm going to fall back to my emergency "fuck" alias |
| 08:13.54 | tirkal | Maulkin: I really hav no idea what's there :) I'm a developer, sinfully double-timing as an admin on this project. |
| 08:13.54 | karsten | For the rest of you: /win 1 |
| 08:13.57 | karsten | Gah.. |
| 08:13.58 | jguran | carlos_: miguel_ : SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO FUCK YOURSELF. |
| 08:14.00 | miguel_ | trolles de mierda |
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| 08:14.06 | pinky | karsten: That didn't work. Like I said, it's unmounted I'd just like to eject it |
| 08:14.17 | tirkal | people, just /ignore until the ops show up. |
| 08:14.33 | Maulkin | That's what I've done :) |
| 08:14.39 | karsten | And your handy ignore for the night: /ignore -replies *@62.81.157.5 ALL |
| 08:14.42 | miguel_ | si yourself tambien es puta |
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| 08:15.27 | miguel_ | jguran maulkin sois unas putas y que fuck your father by my banana |
| 08:15.29 | Maulkin | tirkal: Well, that's a lod of sid packages that have been built on a sarge system |
| 08:15.33 | carlos_ | jguran dile a tu amdre k cambie de pintalabios k tengo la poya ya como el arco iris |
| 08:15.36 | Maulkin | tirkal: I think it's what you want :) |
| 08:15.41 | salva_ | yuo mother is bitch jguran |
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| 08:15.59 | outlaw84 | in some dist with booting you can se Green OK or red fail... can you get that in debian? |
| 08:15.59 | miguel_ | qeuf dkfw |
| 08:16.01 | miguel_ | df sdlmfhwo,klf |
| 08:16.02 | miguel_ | lskjhflksnaf0'w |
| 08:16.03 | miguel_ | fdkjhsdfhspak |
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| 08:16.12 | miguel_ | qfjkhwirwjdÃąlq' |
| 08:16.12 | miguel_ | qfuildÄyhwq |
| 08:16.12 | miguel_ | + |
| 08:16.12 | miguel_ | wqjifw |
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| 08:16.12 | whatever | .....what was that. |
| 08:16.20 | salva | q os jodan |
| 08:16.30 | lord_rob | whatever: troll invasion :) |
| 08:16.33 | tirkal | Maulkin: cool, if I'd known about this I would have looked. but what if a "backported" package" requires others? |
| 08:16.34 | whatever | lol |
| 08:16.54 | Maulkin | tirkal: for example? :) |
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| 08:17.15 | Maulkin | tirkal: Ones which backports require that aren't in sarge are also backported. |
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| 08:17.31 | Maulkin | tirkal: If you can't find it there, try searching at apt-get.org |
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| 08:17.39 | tirkal | Maulkin: ...and the stable ones are just got by stable. I see :) |
| 08:17.57 | carlos_ | si si vuestras madres son perras |
| 08:18.04 | tirkal | yes, it looks like a good solution. I'd go that way if I wasn't already half through compiling. |
| 08:18.06 | outlaw84 | in some dist with booting you can se Green OK or red fail... can you get that in debian? |
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| 08:18.19 | Maulkin | tirkal: Yes, and the package is rebuilt on a stable system so it uses all of stable's libraries |
| 08:18.41 | whatever | has anyone tried a USB boot/install deb 3.1 x86? because.....its not working right. >_< Basically it boots off the USB stick, goes right into the ISO, but then tells me it can't detect the cd-rom?? uh......hm... there -is- no cd-rom. :P |
| 08:18.52 | jm_ | outlaw84: you'll usually see failure notices in Debian too, but it's not coloured |
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| 08:19.28 | tirkal | Maulkin: it looks like "debuild -us -uc" did the trick; but anyway, thanks for all your help. |
| 08:19.34 | outlaw84 | jm_: yea but I want it to be showing like that |
| 08:19.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@62.81.157.5] by mentor |
| 08:19.38 | Maulkin | tirkal: No probs |
| 08:19.39 | *** mode/#debian [-mntr] by mentor |
| 08:19.39 | *** mode/#debian [+n] by ChanServ |
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| 08:20.07 | lord_rob | ChanServ is not very kind |
| 08:20.08 | jm_ | outlaw84: default init doesn't do that |
| 08:20.14 | karsten | outlaw84: That's set by sysvinit in RH. I _think_ you can get there in Debian, not sure how or for certain. |
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| 08:20.29 | jm_ | default init system that is |
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| 08:21.09 | karsten | mhall: Nope, looks good. |
| 08:21.21 | karsten | mentor: ^^ |
| 08:21.39 | karsten | mentor: what's the significance of *!* in that pattern? |
| 08:21.40 | Maulkin | mentor: mode +r possibly not sure if that was set though |
| 08:22.03 | Maulkin | mentor: all nicks, all usernames @62.81.157.5 |
| 08:22.13 | Maulkin | no... karsten ^^ |
| 08:22.22 | lord_rob | +r means you must be identified ? |
| 08:22.33 | Maulkin | I thought that was Q... |
| 08:22.39 | Maulkin | Dunno :) |
| 08:22.41 | mentor | yes |
| 08:22.56 | mentor | +r is ban unident, +R is quiet unident |
| 08:22.59 | karsten | Maulkin: What's the glob/regex syntax? |
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| 08:23.14 | whatever | o.O |
| 08:23.16 | karsten | Maulkin: My ignore recipie didn't work. |
| 08:23.20 | mentor | karsten: * and ? as shell |
| 08:23.30 | karsten | mentor: ... and '!'? |
| 08:23.32 | Maulkin | karsten: nick!user@host with * as multi-char match |
| 08:23.39 | karsten | Ah... |
| 08:23.48 | karsten | ! is just a seperator? |
| 08:23.52 | karsten | dpkg: Shush. |
| 08:23.52 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 08:23.53 | mentor | yes |
| 08:23.55 | Maulkin | yup |
| 08:23.59 | karsten | Dig. |
| 08:24.02 | lord_rob | ok good to know as I need to reboot to test a new kernel :) |
| 08:24.10 | karsten | lord_rob: Not necessary. |
| 08:24.17 | karsten | lord_rob: ... you can run UML or Xen ;-) |
| 08:24.35 | karsten | lord_rob: ... or 3-kernel monty, though technically I'd class that as a reboot. |
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| 08:25.21 | lord_rob | karsten: I need to reboot to test if my soundcard is supported by linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 ;) Vo virtualisation here |
| 08:25.33 | whatever | er, is 3.1_r2 == release candidate 2? or is it actually stable? |
| 08:25.39 | karsten | lord_rob: Yeah, I know. |
| 08:25.42 | lord_rob | ;) |
| 08:25.45 | karsten | whatever: revise / revision. |
| 08:26.01 | whatever | karsten: argh, ok. thanks... |
| 08:26.03 | karsten | lord_rob: Just being pedantically correct. There are ways to test kernels w/o rebooting. |
| 08:26.14 | lord_rob | kexec ? |
| 08:26.20 | tralala | whar != rc |
| 08:26.26 | karsten | whatever: Debian periodically bundles up sets of updates to the stable package. |
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| 08:26.56 | karsten | These are bugfixes and security updates *only*. You're not going to see new *features* in stable until the next stable release. |
| 08:27.00 | xomhau | what package for java compile? |
| 08:27.18 | lord_rob | xomhau: you want to install sun java ? |
| 08:27.18 | whatever | karsten: yeah, I'm just trying to make sure that the reason the USB install isn't working isn't due to a faulty installer |
| 08:27.19 | liable | xomhau: /topic |
| 08:27.42 | karsten | whatever: OK. |
| 08:27.42 | xomhau | lord_rob: yes |
| 08:27.45 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, how can I now I a option is enabled in my kernel: "Video for Linux" ? |
| 08:27.59 | lord_rob | xomhau: apt-get install java-package |
| 08:28.03 | karsten | SonnyBurnett: Um. What's "Video for Linux"? |
| 08:28.18 | liable | SonnyBurnett: grep -i v4l /boot/config-blah |
| 08:28.19 | SonnyBurnett | karsten, something to use webcam |
| 08:28.23 | whatever | karsten: .....option in compiling your kernel for video capturing devices |
| 08:28.25 | kristalino | SonnyBurnett, / v4l in make menuconfig |
| 08:28.25 | karsten | SonnyBurnett: In general, your compile options are in /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 08:29.09 | karsten | SonnyBurnett: So find the corresponding build option and check to see if it was enabled. Applies to aDebian-installed kernels, others only if they follow the protocol. |
| 08:29.26 | is_null | hello everybody, i don't understand why gtf command is not found, kernel is 2.6.8 defaut from sarge netinst |
| 08:29.31 | SonnyBurnett | liable, If I dont ge any output .... I should recompile the kernel right? |
| 08:30.23 | whatever | I hate this piece of crap |
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| 08:30.42 | liable | SonnyBurnett: no, sec |
| 08:30.55 | R-Ratones | which package comes ps2pdf bundle with? |
| 08:31.23 | jetscreamer | R-Ratones: use apt-file to find out |
| 08:31.27 | s_nick | what should I do that I don't have to typ my ssh-key every session? ssh-add only works for 1 session |
| 08:31.28 | liable | SonnyBurnett: grep -i video |
| 08:32.12 | karsten | R-Ratones: It's part of one of the ghostview packages. |
| 08:32.29 | R-Ratones | thanks karsten |
| 08:32.38 | karsten | R-Ratones: gs-common |
| 08:33.11 | karsten | s_nick: Every session == every login session? |
| 08:33.32 | ghenry | started getting segfaults with dhcp3-server. No way to fix this. Should I compile a source tar and use that for the mean time. |
| 08:33.33 | karsten | s_nick: You'll have to do that. How often are you starting new sessions? |
| 08:33.34 | s_nick | yes |
| 08:33.49 | s_nick | well, I'm working remote on my servers |
| 08:33.50 | ghenry | was upgraded in March, and only started doing this this morning. |
| 08:33.59 | ghenry | or would you recommend a reboot? |
| 08:34.02 | s_nick | So, quite a lot in fact |
| 08:34.03 | karsten | s_nick: You're sshing from remote server to remote server? |
| 08:34.11 | karsten | s_nick: Not a good plan, generally. |
| 08:34.26 | karsten | s_nick: Among your altneratives, ssh from your local system, or run screen remotely. |
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| 08:34.47 | karsten | s_nick: passwordless remotely initiated ssh is not a good idea. |
| 08:35.11 | s_nick | karsten: The thing is, I want to implement some nightly backups, and rsync needs to login, but it can not because it allways has to enter the passphrase |
| 08:35.25 | karsten | s_nick: forced commands. |
| 08:36.00 | karsten | s_nick: You can also keep an ssh-agent process running and use the same auth socket rather than generating new ones. |
| 08:36.09 | karsten | s_nick: I'm doing that currently in Cygwin and under OS X. |
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| 08:37.34 | karsten | s_nick: Stub .bashrc code: define a socket name (eg: /tmp/.ssh-agent-$USER), test to see if it exists, test to see if /tmp/.ssh-pid-$USER exists and there's a PID. If so, do nothing (you're configured). If not, launch ssh-agent, and run ssh-add with appropriate keys. |
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| 08:38.01 | karsten | s_nick: This means that once ssh-agent is up and running, new processes from that user just use that session to keep everything going. |
| 08:38.02 | jethro | karsten: heard of keychain? |
| 08:38.13 | karsten | jethro: Not specifically. |
| 08:38.19 | jethro | karsten: apt-cache show it ;) |
| 08:38.26 | s_nick | karsten: so maybe start it as a deamon and that's it? |
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| 08:39.12 | jethro | hey jetscreamer |
| 08:39.18 | karsten | s_nick: The usual solution though is ssh forced execution commands. A given key is associated with a given command on the server. If someone guesses the key passphrase, or there isn't one, all they can do is run the one command. |
| 08:39.23 | karsten | s_nick: Something like. |
| 08:39.31 | karsten | jethro: Sounds pretty close to what I wrote. |
| 08:39.54 | s_nick | karten: ok |
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| 08:40.19 | jethro | karsten: yes. it handles gpg keys as well |
| 08:40.31 | karsten | jethro: That could be cool. |
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| 08:40.58 | whatever | can someone explain why during install the usb device shows up under /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc and not /dev/sda? |
| 08:41.09 | whatever | and also.... why I can't seem to mount it? >_< |
| 08:41.10 | Tellmarch | it's bad luck |
| 08:41.26 | jetscreamer | because it's a different naming scheme. |
| 08:41.40 | whatever | huh? |
| 08:42.33 | jetscreamer | i'm not smart enough to explain it, i just know what it is |
| 08:43.17 | tralala | whatever: can you explain why do you care? |
| 08:43.17 | whatever | lol. I can't mount .../lun0/disc and it sayes sda is not found. I see my USB device light pulse when I try and mount lun0 |
| 08:43.31 | whatever | bad linux. |
| 08:44.59 | whatever | I can't see the partition being formatted fat16 affecting it. |
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| 08:48.06 | jetscreamer | whatever: try googling /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc it gives a lot of usb problems |
| 08:48.22 | whatever | jetscreamer: good idea :) |
| 08:49.42 | epsilon | fuck GIMP, why is it only printing one layer instead of entire pic *grml* |
| 08:50.12 | Knight_Lord | epsilon you cantry merge layers before printing |
| 08:50.14 | xomhau | epsilon: :( |
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| 08:50.37 | NikosGr | scp user@remote:/home/path/somefile user@remote:/home/path/somefile |
| 08:50.45 | NikosGr | willt hat work no problwm? |
| 08:50.51 | epsilon | Knight_Lord: yeah, extremly nice design, have to break a pic by merging layers to print |
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| 08:51.31 | adrian15 | NikosGr:Yes, I think you. It will ask you two passwords. |
| 08:51.32 | NikosGr | remote = 2 different computers |
| 08:51.37 | epsilon | .gr? Had an earthquake down there this morning? |
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| 08:52.44 | tralala | epsilon: so they say... I didn't feel anything though |
| 08:53.01 | NikosGr | me either |
| 08:53.25 | NikosGr | what if i wan to grab files form w winx machine? |
| 08:53.49 | NikosGr | may we pleast rey ti guys |
| 08:54.05 | NikosGr | i would be the 3rd pc tryting toi transfer fiels from 1 host to another hoist |
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| 08:54.21 | whatever | crap, I think I was doing -t fat instead of -t vfat ....I hope thats all it was |
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| 08:55.19 | whatever | oh gosh. it was |
| 08:55.43 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 08:56.10 | adrian15 | whatever: :) |
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| 08:56.25 | NikosGr | please answer me |
| 08:56.27 | adrian15 | NikosGr: Can you talk better? Your proposed scp commands should work. |
| 08:56.42 | NikosGr | what if i watn to grab files from a winxp machine runnign ssh server ? |
| 08:56.46 | jethro | !info openntpd |
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| 08:56.52 | dpkg | openntpd: (OpenBSD NTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 3.7p1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 08:56.54 | NikosGr | hwo would i specify the remoet path |
| 08:57.05 | NikosGr | since xp dont have / mountpoints but c:\ instead |
| 08:57.10 | jethro | dpkg: botsnack |
| 08:57.10 | dpkg | :), jethro |
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| 08:58.09 | NikosGr | scp user@remotewinmachine:?/path/somefile . |
| 08:58.12 | NikosGr | ? |
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| 08:59.08 | adrian15 | NikosGr: Yes. That copies from remote machine to current dir. |
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| 08:59.24 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I have all modules installed in order to make my webcam works, but when I load gqcam I receive this output: "/dev/video: No such file or directory" |
| 08:59.28 | liable | meh, wish i knew python. :( |
| 08:59.32 | NikosGr | how would you specify the remote xp path ? |
| 08:59.36 | jethro | NikosGr: why would #debian support your problems with scp files from an sshd running on win xp? |
| 08:59.53 | whatever | jetscreamer: looks like I'm going to have to mount the USB drive as a temp folder, and then mount the iso on the usb drive to the cd drive........ this isn't normal. :P |
| 09:00.32 | NikosGr | because its a debian question |
| 09:00.41 | liable | whatever: you could always make a cd? :P |
| 09:00.56 | SlayerXP | NikosGr: we discussed this yesterday. |
| 09:00.59 | jethro | NikosGr: I fail to see how it is related to debian. |
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| 09:01.05 | SlayerXP | NikosGr: go ask on #ubuntu |
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| 09:01.27 | NikosGr | iam not usign ubuntu |
| 09:01.29 | whatever | liable: easier said than done, its a a compact system, so I would need to hook it up externally, and then use another computers power source to power it......by now I could have probably done 20 installs....yeah. |
| 09:01.44 | sz`` | does anyone here speak dutch |
| 09:02.45 | r_marvin | !nl |
| 09:02.45 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
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| 09:02.56 | r_marvin | damn, no #debian-nl |
| 09:03.22 | jetscreamer | i thought there was one |
| 09:03.23 | dli | old S3 ProSavage video card, any way to make DRI work on it? |
| 09:03.36 | whatever | "mount: could no find a spare loop device" |
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| 09:03.45 | whatever | bastard. |
| 09:04.02 | jetscreamer | you get 8 by default iirc and need to recompile the kerenl to get more loops |
| 09:04.21 | whatever | I didn't think I was using any. lol |
| 09:05.06 | adrian15 | whatever: maybe you do not have any /dev/loopX files. ? |
| 09:05.16 | jethro | jetscreamer: if it's a kernel module, you can pass it arguments when you load it, to have more than 8 loops available |
| 09:05.18 | whatever | maybe its because I'm still trying to get it to recognize the install image. .....ah screw it, I'm burning it to a cd and ripping apart another box to hook up a CD drive to this thing. |
| 09:05.35 | jethro | jetscreamer: now if you built it in the kernel, you have to rebuild a new kernel :) |
| 09:05.45 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 09:05.47 | whatever | adrian15: oh, do I have to create those? |
| 09:05.50 | whatever | :O |
| 09:05.51 | jethro | whatever: see above too |
| 09:06.01 | whatever | hm |
| 09:06.18 | jetscreamer | !floppy install |
| 09:06.18 | dpkg | somebody said floppy install was requires at least 2 discs, or see <sarge bf> |
| 09:06.54 | whatever | I use floopes as weapons, not installation devices anymore. pffft |
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| 09:07.18 | whatever | *floppies |
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| 09:08.38 | jetscreamer | but it works |
| 09:09.13 | adrian15 | whatever: I don't know. I think that latest kernels do not use /dev folder at all. But I am not sure. If you don't have them... you can use mknod for creating them. |
| 09:09.33 | jethro | !folder |
| 09:09.33 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 09:09.43 | whatever | sssshh. my floppies might hear you, and have a glimmer of hope in having a purpouse again. |
| 09:10.21 | jethro | adrian15: he obviously doesn't want to use mknod here, he's limited to 8 loops because it's the default number of available loop devices. if you don't know, don't guess, because it doesn't help. |
| 09:10.30 | whatever | adrian15: yeah, although this seems like it would be a sweet hack and slash job to make it work...... forget this, its taken me hours for something that should have taken 30 minutes max |
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| 09:11.44 | adrian15 | jethro: But he recently said that he didn't even know that he was using loop devices. I suppose that he isn't using any of them. |
| 09:12.01 | jetscreamer | however, i think he was only using one loop |
| 09:12.18 | jethro | pfft |
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| 09:13.03 | whatever | hey sweet. I don't have any more blank cd's. adrian15,jet,jethro: yeah, I was only using one |
| 09:13.47 | whatever | the irony of all this is its a project for a car computer, to install on a compact flash card with 256MB of storage space. |
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| 09:14.48 | neoxan | katja is auf platz 2!! |
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| 09:15.03 | adrian15 | whatever: So you do have a kernel that only permits one loop. What a strange thing! Going to classroom. |
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| 09:15.37 | jetscreamer | whatever: sarge floppy: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/ etch floppy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:16.08 | jetscreamer | function |
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| 09:17.24 | shogunx | whatever i remomber seeing a guy put a 486 in a lexus 10 years or so ago. he used it as a real time analyzer that fed a 3rd octave eq in his stereo. |
| 09:17.36 | whatever | jetscreamer: you push floppies so much.... I think you worked for AOL back when they flooded every doorstep in america with them. |
| 09:17.55 | whatever | shogunx: nice |
| 09:17.59 | jetscreamer | whatever: ditto to you , but nowadays aol likes cd's :) |
| 09:18.04 | whatever | lol |
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| 09:18.19 | jetscreamer | whatever: i'm just saying it will function for you atm |
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| 09:18.47 | shogunx | whatever it was cool man. he put a keyboard in the steering wheel, a touchpad in the gear shift, and had a little headsup display. |
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| 09:19.27 | whatever | shogunx: where was the HUD located? cause I know they didn't have stuff very small back then |
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| 09:21.04 | Quiznos | morning. is anyone here who lives in New Jersey? |
| 09:21.11 | whatever | heading out of the room for a bit, equipments in the other room |
| 09:21.16 | shogunx | whatever it displayed in the corner of the windshield. he had it under the dash. the whole car was incredibly modded. he made a fiberglass enclosure in the roof to house two 6.5 inch woofers too, that vented at the top of the windshield |
| 09:21.23 | MatBoy | Does someone have an idea how to enable the Powrbuttons in KDE? I have enabled them in the KDE-config... but still nothing in my logoff screen |
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| 09:21.58 | Quiznos | MatBoy, search http://Freshmeat.net for power buttons pkg |
| 09:22.04 | Quiznos | and other buttons to |
| 09:22.07 | Quiznos | too |
| 09:22.19 | MatBoy | Quiznos, that is not fedault in KDE under debian ? |
| 09:22.26 | Quiznos | i dont know |
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| 09:23.31 | MatBoy | Quiznos, than it won't help me that much I think |
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| 09:24.35 | Quiznos | MatBoy you cannot make an informed decision until after you investigate |
| 09:24.47 | Quiznos | right now you're only guessing. |
| 09:24.58 | MatBoy | Quiznos, I have searched for it for 2 weeks now... can't find it :( |
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| 09:25.05 | whatever | shogunx: crazy |
| 09:25.08 | Quiznos | obey your inner Quiznos :) |
| 09:25.21 | iturk | hi there in which file in debian we can set the classpath variables ?? |
| 09:25.26 | whatever | actually, I've got to get up in 2.5h, I should probably go to sleep. blah. |
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| 09:25.37 | whatever | nite! ....er, morning...... whatever it is. |
| 09:27.09 | snail | good morning. I'm running firefox and it's not displaying some characters. the characters are mainly from the middle east (arabic?) and from chinese or japanese. I know I need to isstall some extra fonts. I just don't know _which_ fonts. any pointers? |
| 09:27.52 | asg | !tell rock_feng about away |
| 09:27.53 | liable | !tell rock_feng about away |
| 09:27.57 | liable | !lose me |
| 09:27.57 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 09:28.07 | asg | !prize liable |
| 09:28.16 | liable | excellent :) |
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| 09:29.20 | rock_feng | oh I'm sorry |
| 09:29.31 | asg | !kick rock_feng |
| 09:29.40 | jetscreamer | omg yet another sid xorg upgrade |
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| 09:30.05 | rock_feng | but how to go back |
| 09:30.07 | liable | jetscreamer: its mostly fixed now :) |
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| 09:30.38 | SonnyBurnett | CAn you help me? When I run v4l-conf I receive this output: ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument, why? |
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| 09:33.25 | jetscreamer | the mf wants me to install xfree86ommon? wtf for! i don't need a 'smooth upgrade' from sarge to etch i'm running sid! |
| 09:33.50 | [bsd] | hi, friends! |
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| 09:34.43 | Ademan | debian can't detect my ethernet card... i'm not entirely sure what to do, is there some sort of "discovery" live CD i could run or something to find out what its called... come to think of it the ubuntu installer recognized it... should i just do that? |
| 09:35.42 | [bsd] | what are etch, sarge, sid and woody, does these have any relation to stable, testing, unstable and, or experimental |
| 09:35.47 | jm_ | Ademan: you could try updated kernel |
| 09:35.57 | jetscreamer | [bsd]: yes |
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| 09:36.15 | [bsd] | Please elaborate |
| 09:36.15 | snail | Ademan: if ubuntu recognised it, the ubuntu log will contain the driver information that you need |
| 09:36.16 | jetscreamer | sid is unstable etch is testing and sarge is stable... one day etch will be stable |
| 09:36.32 | Ademan | snail: rats.. i already clobbered that partition haha |
| 09:36.43 | snail | Ademan: use the lvie CD |
| 09:36.47 | jetscreamer | and testing will get a new codename |
| 09:36.50 | xored | where to find the "stablest" php5 release for sarge ? |
| 09:36.51 | Ademan | i am right now hehe |
| 09:36.55 | jetscreamer | sid will remain unstable |
| 09:37.03 | jetscreamer | backports.org probably |
| 09:37.05 | [bsd] | thanks |
| 09:37.07 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 09:37.13 | Ademan | when's the next stable release? |
| 09:37.18 | jetscreamer | wir |
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| 09:37.26 | snail | [bsd] read and understand http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 09:37.33 | snail | Ademan: when it's ready |
| 09:38.28 | Ademan | snail: haha oh... |
| 09:38.30 | [bsd] | snail: thanks |
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| 09:38.45 | pulse00 | hi there |
| 09:38.56 | snail | hi pulse00 |
| 09:39.37 | Ademan | also, with debian (i'm quite a n00b to linux) how hard is it to upgrade to stable releases? are releases different only in kernel? or are there differences all over? |
| 09:39.55 | RichiH | Ademan: different all over |
| 09:40.09 | RichiH | Ademan: but the next stable release will take a year at least, i think |
| 09:40.13 | RichiH | so you have time ;) |
| 09:40.20 | Ademan | ah ok, well then yeah, whats the pain in the ass factor for upgrading between stable releases? |
| 09:40.21 | [bsd] | so, i need to enter stable, testing, unstable and, or experimental in my sources.list |
| 09:40.21 | Ademan | haha |
| 09:40.22 | RichiH | debian stable is _stable_ |
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| 09:40.33 | pulse00 | i'm new to debian as i was using fedora before. Is the equivalent to the whole rpm system on debian managed through apt-get? and if yes, are there any good package repository sites where i can get stuff? thanks! |
| 09:40.41 | RichiH | Ademan: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, wait a bit |
| 09:40.44 | RichiH | that's it |
| 09:40.49 | snail | Ademan: upgrading is feasible, downgrading is very hairy |
| 09:41.10 | RichiH | pulse00: there is one that holds virtually you could ever need |
| 09:41.21 | RichiH | and you access that via apt-get already ;) |
| 09:41.22 | jetscreamer | !tell pulse00 -about marillat |
| 09:41.26 | RichiH | man apt-search |
| 09:41.34 | snail | pulse00: there's dpkg, and on top of that is built apt and on top of that is synaptic. choose your level of interface |
| 09:41.35 | RichiH | jetscreamer: ok, good point, that |
| 09:41.39 | jetscreamer | all you really need is regular sources and marillat |
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| 09:41.46 | liable | eek remove xfce! no way buddy! q |
| 09:41.54 | Ademan | snail: i dont think i'll care about downgrading |
| 09:41.56 | pulse00 | ok, thanks a lot |
| 09:42.07 | snail | pulse00: backports.org for your bleeding edge mozilla and ooffice |
| 09:42.09 | jetscreamer | there are a couple others but they are not as commonly needed |
| 09:42.13 | jetscreamer | yeah like that |
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| 09:42.42 | RichiH | the thing about debian (and freebsd, gentoo) is that you have a single interface to all your package needs and do not need to care about keeping track of updates or stuff yourself.. |
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| 09:43.52 | RichiH | personally, i started debian with testing and went unstable pretty fast after that. with a bit of knowledge about linux, unstable is the thing to do imho |
| 09:44.03 | liable | ssssshhhhhh! |
| 09:44.04 | RichiH | (but do not start with unstable. get used to linux & debian, first!) |
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| 09:44.29 | RichiH | liable: yah, i know. i warned them right after saying that, though ;) |
| 09:44.37 | brontox | dadad |
| 09:44.39 | brontox | asdad |
| 09:44.39 | brontox | asdasdf |
| 09:44.39 | brontox | asda |
| 09:44.39 | brontox | sdas |
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| 09:44.54 | RichiH | kline candidate? |
| 09:45.05 | RichiH | ah, quit anyway |
| 09:45.10 | jetscreamer | i love this one: /etc/init.d/xprint: ## WARNING: Can't find "/usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings/encodings.dir" ... so should i just hack the script in init.d? |
| 09:45.25 | RichiH | jetscreamer: apt-file? |
| 09:45.28 | jetscreamer | encodings.dir is 'supposed' to be a var i think |
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| 09:45.55 | jetscreamer | RichiH: it's xprint package, no need. |
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| 09:46.09 | RichiH | hmmk, file a bug, then |
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| 09:46.46 | xored | someone got problems switching a confixx_premium from 4.0 mysql to 5.0 mysql ? |
| 09:46.50 | jetscreamer | i did look in the script, but my bash script-fu really sucks |
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| 09:48.36 | liable | xprint is a pita |
| 09:48.41 | |ryan| | hehe |
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| 09:48.45 | Ademan | ok so it looks like i'm going to have to install the debian core stuff (i guess anything it doesnt need an external repository for) and then go back and do that once i get my ethernet card working, is that feasible? possible? |
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| 09:48.54 | gypsymauro | there is an easy way to know which packages depends on a package? |
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| 09:49.10 | pageyoo7 | hello all |
| 09:49.23 | |ryan| | gypsymauro: why do you need to know? |
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| 09:49.40 | |ryan| | gypsymauro: if you want to know if you can remove something, debfoster is good for that. |
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| 09:50.18 | jetscreamer | gypsymauro: /msg dpkg depends <package>, apt-cache show <package> |
| 09:50.44 | |ryan| | gypsymauro: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 09:50.53 | jetscreamer | ah ok rdepends then |
| 09:51.11 | |ryan| | though I've never needed that. |
| 09:51.26 | |ryan| | which is why i mentioned debfoster might help him. |
| 09:53.24 | xored | what is the originial libc version in sarge ? |
| 09:53.27 | xored | (stable) |
| 09:54.28 | azeem | !info libc6 sarge |
| 09:54.35 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
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| 09:55.05 | azeem | xored: that is the current one from security.debian.org/3.1r2, do you mean which version shipped with 3.0r0? |
| 09:55.09 | azeem | eh, 3.1r0 |
| 09:55.30 | xored | no i mean that one, thank you |
| 09:55.47 | azeem | xored: also see packages.debian.org/<package> for that kind of information |
| 09:56.01 | xored | ah, ok, sorry for bothering |
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| 09:58.39 | CAiRO | since the latest firefox update i can't open 2 firefox windows anymore, it say's there's already an firefox process running.. why? until yesterday that never has been a problem |
| 09:59.35 | xored | how to set the standard sehll, i want to switch to zsh |
| 10:00.01 | jethro | xored: chsh |
| 10:01.08 | snail | CAiRO: i suspect that the problem is window ! process |
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| 10:01.16 | liable | CAiRO: yeah i get that too. make me feel like i have windows. |
| 10:01.31 | xored | jethro: thank you |
| 10:01.36 | Ademan | it seems all i've got is a bash console... is there any way for me to browse what's connected to my computer so i could possibly find my ethernet card to confirm something? |
| 10:01.36 | snail | CAiRO: did you upgrade from bog-standard firefox to bog-standard firefox? |
| 10:01.58 | CAiRO | huh? i'm using firefox from unstable |
| 10:02.29 | snail | CAiRO: how are you trying to open the new window? from the debian menu? from within firefox? |
| 10:02.32 | liable | hrm, i can open another instance of firefox, its only when i hit a link from thunderbird i get the warning |
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| 10:02.39 | CAiRO | snail: from xterm |
| 10:02.50 | CAiRO | snail: by running "firefox &" 2 times |
| 10:03.21 | snail | CAiRO: ok i know what the porblem is, let me look to see whether someone else has a fix or have to roll my own |
| 10:03.36 | CAiRO | ok, thanks in advance, i'll wait :) |
| 10:03.38 | LordVorp | what in a, kernel compile, would cause the system to NOT respond to the keyboard after it blanks? |
| 10:04.00 | jm_ | application_id stuff? |
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| 10:04.29 | snail | LordVorp: USB subsystem, if you have a USB keyrboard |
| 10:04.49 | LordVorp | its ps/2 |
| 10:04.58 | snail | is http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ slow for anyone else today? |
| 10:05.06 | LordVorp | but if it was usb, how would i fix that? |
| 10:05.06 | snail | LordVorp: not sure, sorry |
| 10:05.29 | liable | snail: always slow for me |
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| 10:05.47 | snail | LordVorp: look at the modules being loaded. I always get them wrong |
| 10:06.18 | LordVorp | snail: I'm compiling a monolithic kernel, no modules at all... and I've tried to include everything I can see that even comes clsoe |
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| 10:07.08 | snail | LordVorp: sorry, no idea |
| 10:07.12 | liable | LordVorp: why are you doing that? |
| 10:07.17 | liable | out of interest |
| 10:07.39 | jm_ | LordVorp: are you sure the system is still alive when that happens? |
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| 10:10.22 | LordVorp | jm_: yeah I can ssh to it all day long |
| 10:10.36 | jm_ | LordVorp: did you check dmesg/logs? |
| 10:11.05 | LordVorp | dmesg sez nothing useful. nor do logs. it's just, the keyboard works in the bios and stops at mingetty |
| 10:11.14 | LordVorp | i can't even ctrl-alt-del during boot |
| 10:11.31 | LordVorp | so i do everything remote but u can imagine how cool THAT is. |
| 10:11.44 | LordVorp | i.e. just fine until it's just not. |
| 10:12.04 | snail | CAiRO: can you try "firefox -new-tab &" for me? |
| 10:12.31 | snail | does this solve the problem or not? |
| 10:12.53 | CAiRO | snail: no, same error |
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| 10:13.13 | Ademan | how do you quit out of ed? |
| 10:13.15 | Ademan | (edlin) |
| 10:13.47 | tralala | :q |
| 10:14.00 | Ademan | i just started ed without any options and now i've got a bunch of question marks every time i hit enter |
| 10:14.01 | Ademan | lol |
| 10:15.11 | Ademan | lol easy enough to figure out |
| 10:16.06 | jethro | !info gcc-4.1 etch |
| 10:16.13 | dpkg | gcc-4.1: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4.1.0-1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 557 kB, Installed size: 1284 kB |
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| 10:18.54 | Ademan | yay i'm completely pissed at linux lol, oh well, hopefully i can figure out wtf ethernet driver i need tomorow, transfer it to that machine then use that to access a repos and get the rest of the system |
| 10:18.55 | Ademan | lol |
| 10:20.03 | LordVorp | thx for the acpi tips, whoever it was earlier |
| 10:20.44 | streuner | Ademan: Linux is not for everyone, if you cannot read docs and solve a problem there is NO OS for you at all in whole universe |
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| 10:21.25 | freelancer | hi peoples |
| 10:22.02 | CAiRO | snail: are you still working on the problem? |
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| 10:23.26 | CAiRO | btw, why's firefox been made like this? what's the advantage of that program design? usually i don't need special shell scripts to run a program 2 times at the same time.. |
| 10:23.32 | CAiRO | i really don't understand that |
| 10:24.11 | _ThePiratemaster | does anyone have any idea why pure-ftpd gives me this when i try to logg in using a client:" Invalid configuration file /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/pure-ftpd.conf: |
| 10:24.11 | _ThePiratemaster | No corresponding directive" |
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| 10:25.03 | _ThePiratemaster | what is "no corresponding directive" |
| 10:25.09 | _mario|awy | hi, where could i find information about unstable packages? reason: i have a problem with the xserver-xorg package during installation |
| 10:25.15 | liable | CAiRO: i think its a bug, i can open 2, but i have had the same error you are talking about |
| 10:25.52 | streuner | _mario|awy: what problem? |
| 10:26.32 | _mario|awy | i got an dpkg error, any problem during preconfiguration |
| 10:26.50 | streuner | _mario|awy: can you paste the error in paster bot? |
| 10:26.52 | streuner | !paste |
| 10:26.52 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 10:27.30 | _mario|awy | sorry, not at the moment, i have no access to my workstation |
| 10:28.39 | _mario|awy | but is there any information source about problems with unstable packages? |
| 10:29.03 | jm_ | yes, read the topic |
| 10:29.18 | _mario|awy | ah, fine thank you |
| 10:29.50 | jm_ | LordVorp: check if it's registered with input system |
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| 10:35.40 | siimo | is debian etch dropping 386 support? |
| 10:37.17 | liable | yerp |
| 10:37.36 | siimo | yea noticed kernel is now 486 |
| 10:38.11 | jm_ | they need to update installation manual with this info |
| 10:38.53 | liable | it was announced somewhere.. cant remember.. its not in install manual? |
| 10:39.12 | jm_ | it mentiones it supports all CPU-s, even Athlon XP and P4, but not 286 ;) |
| 10:39.21 | jm_ | I also remember it was announced |
| 10:40.58 | freelancer | lol |
| 10:41.15 | freelancer | I got a 286...somewhere...*wonders what to do with it...* |
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| 10:41.37 | jm_ | I used it as terminal |
| 10:42.12 | Gnea | !bts |
| 10:42.12 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 10:43.31 | siimo | any idea why etch doesnt have vlc player? sarge had it and sid does |
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| 10:43.52 | jm_ | /msg dpkg why is <pkg> not in testing |
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| 10:44.53 | Luftzig | I get an error compiling drivers/net/8139cp.c while compiling a kernel. what should I do? |
| 10:44.55 | fourat | my debian is reloading sendmail.cf from m4 file every time i restart the server, how to disable this feature ? |
| 10:45.19 | siimo | fair enough |
| 10:45.51 | CAiRO | wow, only 750 bugs files for firefox alone in debian.. when will they be fixed? why does it take so long to take care of them? |
| 10:46.12 | SlayerXP | CAiRO: they'll be fixed as soon as you submit the patches. |
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| 10:46.19 | Panda | Hi ! |
| 10:46.26 | CAiRO | SlayerXP: isn't that the part of the developers? |
| 10:46.43 | SlayerXP | CAiRO: the unpaid, volunteer developers you mean? |
| 10:47.00 | CAiRO | SlayerXP: those who took over resposibility, yes :) |
| 10:47.15 | fourat | hello |
| 10:47.18 | CAiRO | SlayerXP: that they're unpaid doesn't make them not reponsible for fixing the bugs |
| 10:47.22 | SlayerXP | CAiRO: well, if you want those bugs fixing in a hurry, I suggest you offer some cash to help the process along. |
| 10:47.28 | fourat | anybody can help me ? |
| 10:47.29 | fourat | my debian is reloading sendmail.cf from m4 file every time i restart the server, how to disable this feature ? |
| 10:47.57 | Panda | When I start samba it say OK but smbd and nmbd are not started |
| 10:48.04 | Panda | solution please :$ ? |
| 10:48.10 | tralala | CAiRO: of cource, it does |
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| 10:48.50 | CAiRO | tralala: if you help some old lady across the stree you also cannot decide to stop in the middle of the task, it would be your reposibility if the lady is hit by car |
| 10:49.15 | Gnea | CAiRO: being unpaid has everything to do with it. putting food on the table is more important than your web browser. |
| 10:49.32 | jm_ | helping old lady accross the stree is the same as fixing one bug, not 750 bugs ... |
| 10:50.07 | Gnea | CAiRO: that is a civil issue, not a software development issue. |
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| 10:50.14 | CAiRO | Gnea: no, it hasn't.. there's more than one firefox developer and i'm not saying they should spend 24h a day on it |
| 10:50.27 | tralala | CAiRO: if I have helped that lady once it doesn't mean I have to help her tomorrow again or take her shopping after crossing the streat |
| 10:50.43 | CAiRO | Gnea: but the principle is the same, if you take over responsibility for something, you can't stop in the middle.. even if you took it over for free (like with the old lady) |
| 10:50.48 | jm_ | I bet you haven't fixed a single bug, yet you think you have the right to complain |
| 10:50.59 | Gnea | CAiRO: you can't? says who? |
| 10:51.19 | CAiRO | tralala: yes, but it means you shouldn't leave her alone on the middle of the street.. and that's what they're doing when they dno't fix all those bugs |
| 10:51.46 | Gnea | CAiRO: and who says it stopped? |
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| 10:51.53 | CAiRO | Gnea: technically you can, but usually you're made responsible for the consequences |
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| 10:52.00 | tralala | CAiRO: having done some free labour doesn't mean that you have taken any particular responsibilities |
| 10:52.09 | CAiRO | Gnea: it looks like it stopped when there are 750 unfixed bugs |
| 10:52.17 | CAiRO | Gnea: that's why i was asking when they'll be fixed |
| 10:52.18 | CAiRO | :) |
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| 10:52.34 | neoxan | http://katja.sickboy.eu/ :) |
| 10:52.41 | pengol | hi there can a gpl'd software that uses openssl be accepted in debian? |
| 10:52.57 | jm_ | pengol: of course |
| 10:53.02 | CAiRO | tralala: i think it does, at least to get the started work done.. and that hasn't been done here |
| 10:53.13 | Gnea | CAiRO: what consequences? if it was a paid position, the consequences would be obvious. No, sorry, that's not the way it works around here. You are in the wrong. |
| 10:53.17 | pengol | jm_: thanks :) |
| 10:53.23 | CAiRO | if someone isn't able to fix bugs they shouldnt be allowed to add code to firefox |
| 10:53.40 | Gnea | CAiRO: they'll be fixed when they get fixed. perhaps you could help out. |
| 10:53.42 | CAiRO | Gnea: well, if you think of the old lady, they'd sue you if the lady is hurt |
| 10:54.02 | CAiRO | Gnea: yeah, i've helped by reporting them, but it doesn't look like this makes a lot of sense |
| 10:54.08 | Gnea | CAiRO: you are not in a position to dictate any sort of terms of how debian is run. |
| 10:54.17 | tralala | cair: and no, the old lady doen't apply to not fixing bugs. Not fixing a bgt would be not starting to help her in the first place |
| 10:54.34 | CAiRO | Gnea: i'm aware of that, nonetheless i can ask for it :) |
| 10:55.22 | Gnea | CAiRO: you know, i've got an issue with libxrender-dev not providing /usr/lib/libXrender.la right now - it's really pissing me the FUCK off. Do I go off on developers about it? No, I know it will get fixed in time, which is why I'm trying to do my own research on it in the meantime to try to find a solution. That's how software development in *DEBIAN* works. If you don't like it, go elsewhere. |
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| 10:56.17 | tralala | CAiRO: of course, you can - go ahead and ask. Don't be surprised if you're ignored though. I personally wouldn't bother even answering to someone who's asking me to work for him for free. |
| 10:56.41 | Gnea | CAiRO: clearly, you are unaware of how things REALLY work, and demanding that people be ousted from the debian development project is the same thing as pushing that old lady into the path of a bus. |
| 10:57.54 | CAiRO | Gnea: no, if it's clear that you're not able to bring the lady across the street, you shouldn't start with it at all, that's why i'm saying that that's what i'm saying for software developement, if you aren't able to fix bugs in time, don't submit your code |
| 10:58.29 | liable | CAiRO: take a deep breath, and use another browser if you so desperately need two running at once. btw you can not use unstable, you do realise that? |
| 10:58.36 | jm_ | this is amazing |
| 10:58.38 | Gnea | CAiRO: Debian is obviously not the distribution of choice for you, please leave, stop your bitching. |
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| 10:59.41 | tralala | CAiRO: then you shouldn't be reporting the bug unless you're taking the responsibility fo fix it. Don't leave the poor aold lady in the middle of the street, willya? |
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| 11:00.20 | anabain | do you know any channel about pdf, gs etc.? |
| 11:00.42 | Gnea | anabain: about? about what of them? |
| 11:00.59 | CAiRO | tralala: well, i didn't, i was seeing the old lady alone on the street and crying for someone whos able to help her but nobody would come.. |
| 11:01.07 | fourat | my debian is reloading sendmail.cf from m4 file every time i restart the server, how to disable this feature ? |
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| 11:01.20 | anabain | themselves, Gnea, :) structure, manipulation, etc. |
| 11:01.30 | Gnea | anabain: i have no idea :) |
| 11:01.53 | anabain | ok, Gnea |
| 11:02.19 | tralala | CAiRO: keep crying then, don't even thnk of trying to help her yourself |
| 11:02.23 | Gnea | anabain: perhaps if you asked a debian-related question that has to do with those file formats, maybe we could figure it out |
| 11:02.41 | CAiRO | tralala: maybe because i'm an old lady myself :) |
| 11:02.42 | Gnea | tralala: maybe he's that little old lady :) |
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| 11:02.49 | Gnea | HAHAHAHA |
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| 11:03.37 | Gnea | CAiRO: well, just FYI, people who demand change, demand forgiveness, demand things get fixed and demand respect, will get none. It's kinda like the little boy who cried wolf... |
| 11:04.03 | tralala | anabain: #linux should be a good place for generic linux software questions |
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| 11:05.19 | CAiRO | Gnea: it's more that i'm wondering why nothing happens and why nobody else seems to mind those 750 bugs.. but well |
| 11:05.21 | tralala | CAiRO: if that's the case I would suggest that the next time you don't jump into something (free software) if you can't help yourself out (fix it) |
| 11:06.07 | Gnea | CAiRO: the more time that someone spends whining about why the problem isn't fixed yet, when they could be spending that time looking for the real solutions to those problems, kinda makes me wonder why you're wondering in the first place. |
| 11:06.59 | tralala | CAiRO: I also can't stop wondering why nobody minds the global heating... I just don't get it |
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| 11:07.39 | CAiRO | tralala: because it might be natural (that's what some scientist say) but 750 for sure aren't ok |
| 11:08.16 | Gnea | CAiRO: so where DID you get this '750' figure from? |
| 11:08.29 | tralala | CAiRO: oh, so that's the ANSWER. Tank you sooo much! |
| 11:09.09 | liable | is this argument going to actually go somewhere? |
| 11:09.41 | CAiRO | Gnea: when i tried to use "reportbug" to submit the latest firefox bugs it makes me see all existing bugs |
| 11:09.46 | anabain | Gnea, yeah, but I think it's not a debian question, at least "strictly"... I want to manipulate a pdf to remove some graphics and watermarks and with pstopdf I can make changes but I cannot revert to pdf |
| 11:10.04 | anabain | (btw, thanks tralala ) |
| 11:10.09 | tralala | liable: I'm afraid not until you fix those nasty 750 bugs |
| 11:10.33 | liable | tralala: i'll get started on them when you fix my python problem! |
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| 11:10.55 | Gnea | CAiRO: and did you run that list through some filters to see if all 750 are from 750 unique people? and of that list of unique people, how many of them are registered debian developers? |
| 11:11.09 | tralala | liable: :) |
| 11:11.16 | anabain | Gnea, whereas, with ps2pdf I can revert it to pdf but I cannot guess how to manipulate the file |
| 11:11.19 | Funkmaster | hey there, does any1 know what doe s means? "(V4L) mmap: Invalid argument |
| 11:11.37 | Gnea | anabain: aaah ok... do you have openoffice installed? |
| 11:11.42 | CAiRO | no, i'm just seeing that the number bugs never goes down.. i've reported a bug a few month ago and it doens't look like anythign has happend since then |
| 11:11.44 | anabain | yes |
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| 11:12.05 | SlayerXP | Function: V4L = Video 4 Linux mmap == Memory Map "invalid argument" == "a parameter which is not valid" |
| 11:12.12 | Gnea | anabain: do you have a printer and scanner? |
| 11:12.15 | Funkmaster | was trying to use camserv |
| 11:12.23 | SlayerXP | Funkmaster even |
| 11:12.29 | Funkmaster | with my tv card |
| 11:12.29 | anabain | Gnea, yes |
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| 11:13.29 | Gnea | anabain: awesome. use xpdef to print the file out - then scan it in and use Gimp to save them in PNG format - open the PNG's in openoffice and manipulate what you need to, then use the "save as pdf" option. |
| 11:13.30 | zimnyx | How can i set default editor? |
| 11:13.35 | Gnea | anabain: er, xpdf |
| 11:13.36 | Funkmaster | SlayerXP: do u have an idea how to fix this and get camserv to work? |
| 11:13.49 | SlayerXP | Funkmaster: nope. |
| 11:13.57 | anabain | ok, Gnea |
| 11:14.03 | Gnea | zimnyx: export EDITOR="vim" or something |
| 11:14.04 | Funkmaster | hm okey thx anyways |
| 11:14.10 | mejo | since the upgrade yesterday, xdm doesn't allow me to login anymore. |
| 11:14.38 | mejo | and startx fails with the message "/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 9: /etc/X11/Xsession: No such file or directory". |
| 11:14.52 | liable | zimnyx: or update-alternatives |
| 11:15.05 | liable | mejo: /topic have a look at the wiki |
| 11:15.13 | Gnea | mejo: using what branch? |
| 11:15.31 | mejo | Gnea: debian/unstable |
| 11:15.47 | Gnea | mejo: ah ok - yeah, what liable said, the first URL |
| 11:16.09 | tralala | for repreat in $(seq 100); do echo "will never use sid again!"; done |
| 11:16.17 | Gnea | lmao |
| 11:16.19 | liable | hehe |
| 11:16.53 | Funkmaster | can any1 advise me on application with which i can take some videosource (in this case a webcam connected over a tvcard, composite) and put it as a live feed on my website? |
| 11:17.02 | Funkmaster | something like camserv |
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| 11:17.09 | LordVorp | ... and now I find that the whole reason I built my own kernel in the first place is completely wrong: sarge 2.6 kernel DOES include the driver for my MB chipset |
| 11:17.34 | LordVorp | darnite |
| 11:17.36 | LordVorp | err |
| 11:17.41 | LordVorp | :) |
| 11:17.42 | LordVorp | good. |
| 11:17.47 | LordVorp | this means I can revert |
| 11:17.49 | liable | hah |
| 11:18.07 | LordVorp | I've never been an expert at compiling kernels |
| 11:18.10 | liable | revert? |
| 11:18.21 | LordVorp | to sarge kernel instaed of custom build |
| 11:18.32 | tralala | s/use sid/compile kernels/ |
| 11:18.35 | LordVorp | because the only thing I'm getting from the custom build is headaches. |
| 11:18.42 | LordVorp | so i'm reverting |
| 11:18.56 | liable | sounds kinky :) |
| 11:18.58 | Gnea | it helps to know every bit of detail that you're dealing with :) |
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| 11:19.17 | LordVorp | (I've been learning deb on these systems so... now i know WHY I can safely use sarge kernel 2.6) |
| 11:19.35 | pngwn | A |
| 11:19.42 | Gnea | B |
| 11:19.51 | SlayerXP | C |
| 11:20.04 | LordVorp | D |
| 11:20.35 | dthurston | I have a conffile question. Somehow /etc/X11/Xsession got deleted on my sid system. |
| 11:20.43 | liable | gah |
| 11:20.59 | dthurston | When I tried to reinstall the package that owns it (x11-common), nothing happened. |
| 11:21.00 | Gnea | dthurston: /topic, first URL |
| 11:22.09 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 11:22.09 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 11:22.11 | liable | need an alias for that response :P |
| 11:22.15 | Gnea | that too |
| 11:22.50 | pinky | Is there an application available that can detect multiple types of copy protection on CD/DVDs for games? |
| 11:22.51 | dthurston | xorg 7.0 is working in general, and was working fine before |
| 11:22.56 | dthurston | it's just this one conffile |
| 11:23.21 | dthurston | Furthermore, I looked at the packaging, and I don't understand what's going on; I have a question about dpkg conffile processing |
| 11:23.39 | dthurston | (that is, xorg is working for me. I know there are problems.) |
| 11:23.49 | Gnea | dthurston: yeah, read this url: |
| 11:23.51 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 11:23.51 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 11:23.54 | liable | dthurston: go to the wiki! |
| 11:24.03 | Gnea | uhm |
| 11:24.04 | dthurston | Yes, I've read that just now! |
| 11:24.05 | liable | no the startx borkage link |
| 11:24.07 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 11:24.07 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 11:24.15 | tralala | !report pinky to riaa, mpia, bsa, etc. |
| 11:24.24 | pinky | Hahaha |
| 11:24.24 | dthurston | Oops, missed it. |
| 11:24.33 | Gnea | lag |
| 11:24.36 | Gnea | lol |
| 11:24.50 | pinky | I never said anything about circumventing DRM... just detecting it and reporting the type/version... |
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| 11:25.45 | liable | !what are we going to do tonight |
| 11:25.45 | dpkg | liable: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
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| 11:26.09 | pinky | Now I feel obligated... |
| 11:26.13 | pinky | !what are we going to do tonight |
| 11:26.14 | dpkg | pinky: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 11:26.30 | Gnea | please stop abusing the bot. |
| 11:26.34 | tralala | too late - you have to explain that to tehir lawyers now |
| 11:26.49 | liable | !irritate Gnea |
| 11:26.49 | dpkg | Gnea: hi every1 who uses gnome kk |
| 11:26.59 | Gnea | :) |
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| 11:29.29 | dthurston | OK, thanks for the pointer! |
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| 11:30.58 | liable | is python hard to learn? |
| 11:31.18 | Gnea | nfc |
| 11:31.21 | Gnea | never tried |
| 11:31.25 | liable | i wish i wasnt so fucking lazy |
| 11:31.36 | Angels2 | is there something like "tree" (dos) under linux? |
| 11:31.44 | liable | pstree?? |
| 11:31.46 | Gnea | tree? |
| 11:31.56 | neoxan | http://katja.sickboy.eu/ -- support katja and vote for her! |
| 11:32.15 | liable | neoxan: dont spam here |
| 11:32.19 | Gnea | !ops neoxan is spamming: 04:31 < neoxan> http://katja.sickboy.eu/ -- support katja and vote for her! |
| 11:32.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: neoxan is spamming: 04:31 < neoxan> http://katja.sickboy.eu/ -- support katja and vote for her! |
| 11:32.20 | neoxan | ok |
| 11:32.21 | neoxan | sorry |
| 11:32.30 | Angels2 | tree generates a "ls -R" with intending the subfoldes/dirs |
| 11:32.30 | neoxan | ^^ |
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| 11:33.20 | Angels2 | err.. "indenting" .. damn typos |
| 11:33.37 | Gnea | !beer mentor |
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| 11:34.09 | Gnea | i don't even recall 'tree' from dos |
| 11:34.14 | Angels2 | ^^ |
| 11:34.31 | Angels2 | googling right now... there is/was a powerpack for RH which contains tree.. hehe |
| 11:34.38 | Gnea | oic..duh |
| 11:34.40 | Angels2 | alien evil-old-redhat-package :P |
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| 11:36.47 | mentor | thanks |
| 11:36.49 | Gnea | ls -lR > ls-lR && gzip ls-lR |
| 11:36.54 | Gnea | Angels2: ^^ |
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| 11:37.09 | Angels2 | OH der is a povray TREE generator |
| 11:37.12 | Angels2 | gzip O.o? |
| 11:37.37 | Gnea | uh, yeah... file compression |
| 11:38.15 | Angels2 | trying to figure out what your line does |
| 11:38.16 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 11:38.29 | Gnea | haha, fixed my own problemc from earlier |
| 11:38.34 | Gnea | -c |
| 11:38.38 | Angels2 | ^^ |
| 11:38.40 | Gnea | Angels2: man ls :) |
| 11:38.47 | Gnea | Angels2: or just do it and see what happens |
| 11:38.47 | Angels2 | hehe |
| 11:38.59 | Gnea | it won't fry your system |
| 11:39.31 | Angels2 | i dont get the ">" part ... shrug |
| 11:39.38 | Gnea | turns out i just had to do a make maintainer-clean |
| 11:39.40 | Angels2 | (yes i know what > means and what it does) |
| 11:39.50 | callee | hi, i use debian testing with kernel 2.6.16.x and i always get a kernel oops when stopping xorg |
| 11:39.56 | callee | http://rafb.net/paste/results/i06m8E39.html |
| 11:40.13 | Gnea | Angels2: it takes the output of 'ls -lR' and outputs it to a file called, oddly enough, ls-lR |
| 11:40.14 | callee | any idea how to fix this? |
| 11:40.16 | epsilon | Gnea: thought of gzip `ls`? |
| 11:40.35 | Gnea | Angels2: then it gzips the ls-lR file when it's done |
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| 11:40.53 | Angels2 | Gnea: ah damned... i thought it was a function and you left a space out.. didnt get it was a file hehe |
| 11:41.01 | Gnea | lol |
| 11:41.06 | Angels2 | read it like "ls -lr" > "ls -lr" |
| 11:41.25 | Angels2 | guess you understand my "WTF?" face now :P |
| 11:41.29 | Gnea | Angels2: well i used to run a dos-based BBS back in the day, so it took a few minutes to click :) |
| 11:41.34 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 11:41.48 | Slaughter | have anyone a SAI? |
| 11:41.56 | epsilon | why the hell are you storing the ls output in a file first? |
| 11:42.00 | Angels2 | Gnea: but thats a "nice" workaround :) |
| 11:42.04 | Gnea | SAI? |
| 11:42.07 | liable | gazuntiecht |
| 11:42.11 | SlayerXP | Severly Alcoholic Inlaws |
| 11:42.13 | Slaughter | so, ups |
| 11:42.17 | zumbi_ | !hi |
| 11:42.17 | dpkg | hello, zumbi_ |
| 11:42.21 | Gnea | epsilon: have you ever visited ftp.debian.org? |
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| 11:43.10 | zumbi_ | do you know how could i have /etc/motd to run a command, let's say 'uname -a' ? |
| 11:43.12 | epsilon | ah, talking of INDEX on an ftp? |
| 11:43.21 | Slaughter | Uninterruptible Power Supply |
| 11:43.33 | Gnea | epsilon: something like that |
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| 11:44.18 | Angels2 | http://mama.indstate.edu/users/ice/tree/ \o/ |
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| 11:45.20 | Gnea | oh |
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| 11:45.28 | Gnea | Angels2: right on |
| 11:45.49 | shinobi2 | anyone use mac? |
| 11:45.54 | Angels2 | <- |
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| 11:46.42 | asg | shinobi2: #debianppc has lots of 'em |
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| 11:47.10 | shinobi2 | thx ascii__ |
| 11:47.14 | shinobi2 | asg, |
| 11:47.34 | epsilon | ahh finally downloaded both r2 binary DVD *puh* |
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| 11:48.59 | Angels2 | ^^ |
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| 11:52.25 | CAiRO | btw, for those who had the same problem (firefox doesn't find existing windows), you need to comment one line in your /usr/bin/firefox to fix that, its this line: "#MOZ_PROGRAM="${MOZ_PROGRAM} -a '${APPLICATION_ID}'" |
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| 11:53.35 | J_P | hi all |
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| 11:53.52 | mnordstr | hmm, any idea why an apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday on sid broke my X setup by giving kde_greet: can't open default user face? |
| 11:53.59 | DTE | hi all |
| 11:54.03 | DTE | apropos |
| 11:54.10 | DTE | i have also trouble with xorg |
| 11:54.24 | jm_ | sid++ |
| 11:54.33 | DTE | i use ati (or fgrlx) driver |
| 11:54.42 | DTE | but nothing start...nothing in logs |
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| 11:56.11 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 11:57.11 | gypsymauro | I've to print out a big picture that is a A1 format, and I hope I can divide it in 4 A3 sheets then collage them togheter.. there is a tool to help me? |
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| 12:00.16 | menko | hi, does anyone know how to get gnome-openoffice to work when I'm not in gnome? I'm using fluxbox and I want to use the gtk interface. |
| 12:01.00 | minimec | Hi. I want to migrate my evolution config and data. What I did until now is to copy the '.evolution'-directory to my new /home/myhome directory, hoping that would be all to do. Unfortunally that's not working. |
| 12:01.23 | liable | !seen bob2 |
| 12:01.23 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 142d 4h 56m 5s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 12:01.25 | azeem | menko: you installed the -gtk-gnome support package. I assume? |
| 12:01.48 | jm_ | ohh it's live-f1 time |
| 12:02.04 | menko | azeem: yep, I was using it in gnome a few minutes ago |
| 12:03.02 | menko | cloph(on #users.openoffice.org) says:SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk and it works, yay! |
| 12:04.15 | minimec | menko, normally you have to start the gnome-settings-daemon to at the beginning of your fluxbox session. Unfortunally that does not work with ooffice and fluxbox... (my experience) |
| 12:04.31 | azeem | _rene_: ^^ ? |
| 12:05.13 | menko | minimec: I don't have gnome-settings-daemon going and that env variable setting does the trick |
| 12:05.45 | quitte | who can i complain to if a debian support channel isn't helpful, incompetent and unfriendly? |
| 12:06.14 | azeem | quitte: what's the specific problem? |
| 12:06.29 | quitte | azeem: #debian.de people are all that and worse |
| 12:06.52 | SlayerXP | quitte: your local political representative will care deeply. |
| 12:07.08 | quitte | azeem: i pop up there every few months with a german specific question and run away with a lot of anger in my stomach after less than 5 minutes |
| 12:07.25 | minimec | menko, ok. And what do you do with the other apps using gtk? |
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| 12:08.36 | quitte | SlayerXP: Im sure this is a problem. I cannot be the only one that is scared away by this. and this is bad for the project. so i think this should be addressed. |
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| 12:08.54 | minimec | So nobody has an idea about evolution-data-migration? |
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| 12:09.37 | menko | minimec: emm... I use them? Ah, are you asking what other gtk apps I use? If so, abiword, rox, gimp, gqview a few other small apps. |
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| 12:12.42 | minimec | menko: So without the gnome-settings-daemon you will have the 'ugly' grey gtk interface and the default icons of gnome. I fyou add the gnome-settings-daemon to ypir .fluxbox/startup file, you will have the possibility to use your prefered gtk-theme |
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| 12:16.16 | menko | minimec: ummm... no... That's only if you use gnome tools to set your themes... |
| 12:16.32 | menko | minimec: I use switch(1&2) and have quite nice themes set |
| 12:16.46 | menko | minimec: and I've used many diff icon themes for rox |
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| 12:17.38 | minimec | menko, indeed... switch is another possibility ;) |
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| 12:18.10 | menko | minimec: yes, I have no idea why in the world gnome decides to add another layer to theme switching.. |
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| 12:19.06 | minimec | menko: me neither... |
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| 12:22.24 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
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| 12:23.05 | wwallace_lap | if i install debian sarge,i wont have to worry about dist-upgrades and stuff untill the next stable realease? |
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| 12:23.44 | DTE | why reportbug is telling me that a new version of xorg is coming |
| 12:23.51 | jm_ | wwallace_lap: yes, but you want updates |
| 12:23.53 | DTE | when i have the latest one? |
| 12:24.05 | wwallace_lap | just the apt-get update? |
| 12:24.15 | DTE | nothing |
| 12:24.20 | DTE | everything updated |
| 12:24.21 | jm_ | yes, at least for security issues |
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| 12:25.01 | wwallace_lap | ok cool |
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| 12:25.10 | wwallace_lap | so i just do apt-get update right? |
| 12:25.31 | jm_ | DSA notifications tell you how to install them |
| 12:25.44 | wwallace_lap | dsa? |
| 12:25.47 | wwallace_lap | what is that? |
| 12:26.07 | D_U | how come I can use one sound program at a time? |
| 12:26.07 | jm_ | !tell wwallace_lap -about dsa |
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| 12:26.36 | wwallace_lap | thank you jm_ |
| 12:26.48 | jm_ | D_U: because your sound card/driver combination sucks |
| 12:26.53 | quitte | azeem: http://channel.debian.de/rentner/index.php?section=liebeuser they seem to act that way all the time to everybody that is not a regular - no matter what the question is. |
| 12:26.58 | quad3datwork2 | sweet honey of jesus! |
| 12:27.14 | azeem | quitte: which chan/network? |
| 12:27.25 | quitte | azeem: #debian.de on freenode |
| 12:27.27 | Badenser | Hi all ... I want to set an option in .config, that cannot be set with menuconfig. Unfortunately after while make-kpkg kernel_image the option is removed. How can I "pin" that option? |
| 12:27.38 | Gnea | D_U: you'd need an emu10k1-based soundcard to do more than one at a time |
| 12:27.50 | jm_ | !tell d_u -about dmix |
| 12:27.54 | quitte | azeem: for me it is impossible to join there and help users myself. i'd rip my hair of. |
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| 12:28.25 | azeem | quitte: I left there |
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| 12:28.32 | Gnea | Badenser: you'd have to make clean and meke menuconfig then go with make-kpkg again |
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| 12:28.46 | azeem | quitte: but I will make a stand in #debian.de/OFTC in case irc.debian.org will point there and more users start pouring in |
| 12:29.03 | menko | D_U: Check if you can you play two at a time with aplay |
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| 12:29.33 | quitte | azeem: please do. irc.debian.org points to freenode. |
| 12:29.45 | azeem | quitte: I know, but there's a proposal to change it to OFTC |
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| 12:29.49 | D_U | i cannot |
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| 12:30.45 | quitte | azeem: i've heard of that a long time ago. do you think this will happen in the forseeable future? |
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| 12:32.14 | eps | I would hope not; I'm already in enough networks and another one would just be a pain |
| 12:32.38 | menko | why OFTC? |
| 12:32.41 | eps | while #debian is here I can offer my assistance and easily help out in mac/cedega/gnome and several other smaller ones without annoyance |
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| 12:33.01 | Gibson | Debbyan |
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| 12:33.40 | quitte | dpkg de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de wahrscheinlich besser auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de probably better on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:33.40 | dpkg | ...but de is already something else... |
| 12:33.59 | quitte | azeem: think such a change was acceptable? |
| 12:34.04 | streuner | Gibson: hm? |
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| 12:34.14 | azeem | quitte: I don't know |
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| 12:34.28 | quitte | dpkg no, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de wahrscheinlich besser auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de probably better on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:34.28 | dpkg | okay, quitte |
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| 12:34.52 | eps | quitte do you have some form of bot access? |
| 12:35.03 | D_U | gnea, my sound card works fine in fedora |
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| 12:35.10 | quitte | eps no. everybody can do that |
| 12:35.11 | streuner | eps: no need |
| 12:35.15 | menko | D_U: did you try that? |
| 12:35.21 | Badenser | Gnea, but after running make menuconfig the manually inserted option is gone, too |
| 12:35.22 | D_U | yes i did |
| 12:35.27 | eps | so if we see a mistake we can easily fix it? |
| 12:35.27 | D_U | did not work |
| 12:35.34 | quitte | eps yes |
| 12:35.44 | eps | nice :D |
| 12:35.47 | Serinity | Hi everyone |
| 12:35.51 | Serinity | :) |
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| 12:36.29 | quad3datwork2 | i have qmail managing local domain mail deliveries... recently through apt-get upgrade it upgraded exim4 package and now local mail deliveries are nowhere to be found. anyone run into similiar problems? i've disabled exim4 and set "example.examplehost.com" to "localhost" in exim4 config already |
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| 12:37.04 | Zugschlus | qmail is non-free, outdated and unmaintained. it will be hard to find support for qmail here |
| 12:37.08 | Serinity | May anyone help me on this ? i did a dist-upgrade and now alsa is broken... http://pastebin.com/699906 |
| 12:37.47 | jnk | Serinity, did you try "apt-get -f install" ? |
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| 12:38.02 | quad3datwork2 | it used to work. i'm just wondering why through apt-get upgrade it render it not working. it could be the same case for postfix, etc. |
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| 12:38.26 | Gnea | Badenser: what is the option for? |
| 12:38.31 | Serinity | jnc, in fact seems all i need is "keep"... maybe i just have to install it |
| 12:38.32 | Gnea | !qmail |
| 12:38.32 | dpkg | hmm... qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 12:38.49 | streuner | Gnea: hm |
| 12:38.55 | Badenser | Gnea, CONFIG_OBSOLETE_INTERMODULE=m ... needed for thinkpad-source package |
| 12:39.10 | Tassium | Serinity: 0keep is not an executable file, is it marked +x on your system? |
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| 12:39.50 | Serinity | Tassium, yes it is |
| 12:39.55 | Funkmaster | can any1 advise me on application with which i can take some videosource (in this case a webcam connected over a tvcard, composite) and put it as a live feed on my website? |
| 12:39.57 | Funkmaster | something like camserv |
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| 12:40.25 | Badenser | Gnea, see http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg15655.html |
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| 12:41.30 | Gnea | Funkmaster: cam_e |
| 12:41.49 | D_U | where do i put asound.conf? |
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| 12:42.44 | Serinity | yeah, got it working now |
| 12:42.44 | Gnea | probably in /etc |
| 12:43.21 | Gnea | azeem: http://gnea.net/idiots.txt |
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| 12:43.56 | Gnea | Badenser: i don't see that option. what is the description? |
| 12:44.08 | Badenser | Gnea, thats the problem ;-) |
| 12:44.20 | Badenser | Gnea, I have no idea, just read this in the doc to thinkpad-base |
| 12:44.23 | anabain | what command should I use to make an inverse diff, that is, to extract only common lines in two files? |
| 12:44.33 | Badenser | Gnea, as I said: I could not find it in menuconfig etc. ... |
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| 12:44.46 | Funkmaster | Gnea: do u have a website or sumthin, can't find it on google, or is it on sourceforge? |
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| 12:44.54 | Badenser | Gnea, but the thinkpad module does not compile because of missing stuff |
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| 12:45.08 | Gnea | Badenser: what is the thinkpad module called? |
| 12:45.20 | Badenser | thinkpad |
| 12:45.21 | Badenser | :-) |
| 12:45.33 | tijn | hehe |
| 12:45.36 | tijn | hey all |
| 12:45.37 | Gnea | Funkmaster: sorry, came |
| 12:45.46 | Badenser | Gnea, extra module from thinkpad-source |
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| 12:46.55 | Gnea | Badenser: i don't even see that option in 2.6.12 |
| 12:47.01 | Badenser | Gnea, me too |
| 12:47.07 | Gibson | test |
| 12:47.15 | tijn | erhm i need to send a pgp encrypted email with thunderbird, some send me his key *.asc, but how do i do that? |
| 12:47.17 | Gnea | Badenser: maybe it's a kernel patch? |
| 12:47.37 | azeem | Gnea: urgh :) |
| 12:47.53 | Tassium | tijn: Install the enigmail extension |
| 12:47.56 | Gibson | freenode-social === yo baby it's up an f-ing running for the SOCIALISATIONNNNN!!! yeah! == freenode-social === yo baby it's up an f-ing running for the SOCIALISATIONNNNN!!! yeah! == freenode-social === yo baby it's up an f-ing running for the SOCIALISATIONNNNN!!! yeah! == freenode-social === yo baby it's up an f-ing running for the SOCIALISATIONNNNN!!! yeah! == freenode-social === yo baby it's up an f-ing running for the SOCIALISATIONNNNN!!! yeah! = |
| 12:47.59 | Gibson | sorry guys |
| 12:48.01 | Gibson | wrong channel |
| 12:48.14 | Tassium | Gibson: You mean there's a RIGHT channel for that? |
| 12:48.19 | Gibson | lol sort of |
| 12:48.21 | tijn | Tassium: ah thanks |
| 12:48.24 | tijn | hahaha |
| 12:48.35 | Gibson | ;) |
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| 12:49.01 | Gnea | azeem: i had no idea what they were talking about, but once you said 'Getty' and the rough translation of google provided that... it was obvious ;) |
| 12:49.17 | Gibson | IIRC there is an international process for resolving trademarked domain disputes, but the filing cost runs into thousands of dollars. |
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| 12:49.36 | azeem | < Getty > kannste THAT reconstructs? |
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| 12:49.44 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 12:49.54 | adriano | oi |
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| 12:50.11 | siimo | hi can someone help me solve this? its a fresh x86 etch install. --> Failed to open sound device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 12:50.26 | siimo | this is for sound in vmware |
| 12:50.28 | Gnea | azeem: it's almost as bad as trying to get help from any suse-based channel |
| 12:50.44 | adriano | brasil |
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| 12:51.31 | Badenser | Gnea, found a solution ... reeaaaaly strange |
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| 12:51.58 | Serinity | !pt |
| 12:51.58 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:52.34 | Gnea | Badenser: ? |
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| 12:52.42 | Badenser | Gnea, I can enable it only indirect, using MTD and Flash Chip drivers ... |
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| 12:52.49 | siimo | anyone know how i can link to the audio device? it works fine on the debian host but vmware needs it in /dev/dsp |
| 12:52.54 | Badenser | Gnea, http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64513&sid=a573711f842e8c1108882859d51e6840 (german) |
| 12:53.16 | Gnea | siimo: make sure you're in the audio group |
| 12:53.21 | Funkmaster | Gnea: found it thx, gonna test it out now |
| 12:53.26 | siimo | Gnea, i am |
| 12:53.29 | jm_ | so load the driver that serves /dev/dsp |
| 12:53.55 | Gnea | siimo: oh, snd-oss-pcm? |
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| 12:54.45 | siimo | wow works now... thanks a lot :) |
| 12:54.49 | atsi | does anyone know how to rip a dvd in linux? |
| 12:54.56 | Gibson | i do |
| 12:54.56 | jm_ | atsi: yes, many people do |
| 12:54.58 | Gnea | goddamnit, not another german shit |
| 12:55.01 | Gnea | er, german site |
| 12:55.03 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:55.08 | noshitheel | => atsi : use dvd::rip |
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| 12:55.37 | atsi | noshitheel, what about the newer ones that have better protection? |
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| 12:56.27 | Gnea | Badenser: that's awesome: http://tinyurl.com/zfp4c |
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| 12:57.26 | Badenser | Gnea, okay, thanks for listening :-) |
| 12:57.50 | Gnea | Badenser: :) |
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| 12:57.52 | Bakus | hi... i have problem with my mouse on new instalation of debian... when i run startx i have an error: "(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux" what to do ? |
| 12:57.55 | Trewas | atsi: dvds cannot have better protection no matter how new they are, hd-dvds / bluray are a different matter... |
| 12:58.01 | noshitheel | atsi, no idee, i didn't ripped for a for while |
| 12:58.06 | scytheman | Bakus, usb-mouse? |
| 12:58.21 | Gnea | libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libXcursor.la' is not a valid libtool archive |
| 12:58.22 | Gnea | argh! |
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| 12:58.36 | atsi | Trewas, there are different protection types. |
| 12:58.37 | Bakus | scytheman: ps2 |
| 12:58.39 | azeem | libXcursor.la got remvoed |
| 12:58.42 | azeem | removed, even |
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| 12:59.05 | scytheman | Bakus, hm, strange :/ |
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| 12:59.25 | Trewas | atsi: as long as the dvds must be playable with normal dvd-players they can't use anything better than css, I know that some dvds have rootkits and other audio-cd-like shit also but they don't work in linux (the protections, disks should) |
| 12:59.28 | Mr_Molez | uhhhhh is there any way to recover from deleting all of /dev ? |
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| 12:59.33 | Gnea | azeem: i know, but i rechecked the code and it's still failing - i did a similar fix with another library and it worked out just fine, but this one insists on producing another .la |
| 13:00.02 | Bakus | scytheman: i try to use /dev/input/mice, /dev/input/mouse* and /dev/gpmdata and i have the same error |
| 13:00.08 | ignotus | how can I switch the keyboard layout to something else than US under X? I would like to use a command-line program for this (not a GNOME or KDE applet or something like that) |
| 13:00.11 | atsi | Trewas, ok then. cool thanks |
| 13:00.22 | azeem | Gnea: AIUI, one of your system installed dev libraries references libXcursor.la in its own .la, provoking the build failure |
| 13:00.24 | scytheman | Bakus, /dev/psaux should be correct for ps/2 |
| 13:00.30 | Tassium | ignotus: I believe the program you want is 'xmodmap' |
| 13:00.32 | Gnea | !aiui |
| 13:00.32 | dpkg | i guess aiui is As I Understand It |
| 13:00.46 | ignotus | Tassium: are there predefined layouts somewhere? |
| 13:00.47 | jm_ | ignotus: man setxkbmap |
| 13:00.52 | Tassium | ignotus: I don't know. |
| 13:01.12 | ignotus | jm_: that looks OK, but where are the layouts? |
| 13:01.17 | Gnea | azeem: ok, AFAICT, only libxcursor-dev references it, and the current obviously does not |
| 13:01.38 | Gnea | azeem: hrmmmm |
| 13:01.38 | ignotus | Option"XkbLayout""us,hu,de" |
| 13:01.54 | jm_ | ignotus: in the dir it mentions in the man page |
| 13:02.00 | ignotus | jm_: checking thanks |
| 13:02.06 | azeem | Gnea: grep Xcursor /usr/lib/*.la or so |
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| 13:02.50 | Gnea | azeem: awww fuck :) |
| 13:02.52 | Bakus | can someone help me ? |
| 13:03.00 | Gnea | grep Xcursor /usr/lib/*.la | wc -l |
| 13:03.00 | Gnea | 25 |
| 13:03.06 | atsi | Trewas, any ideas about software that will allow me to author a dvd? |
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| 13:05.05 | atsi | anyone got any ideas about software for authoring dvds? |
| 13:05.29 | jm_ | atsi: never heard of apt-cache search? |
| 13:05.49 | Tassium | atsi: apt-cache search burn | grep dvd |
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| 13:06.12 | atsi | jm_, it does not have anything! |
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| 13:06.28 | jnk | atsi, you want do do DVD video? |
| 13:06.30 | jm_ | atsi: really? what's this then? dvdauthor - create DVD-Video file system |
| 13:06.41 | atsi | jnk, yeap |
| 13:06.56 | jnk | atsi, then dvdauthor, as jm_ said |
| 13:07.03 | Gnea | ok, sed isn't working right - sed -e 's/\:dependency_libs=\'//g' <-- the escaped ' isn't being escaped |
| 13:07.22 | atsi | jm_, not in my sources.list though. ok dvdauthor. does it have gui? |
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| 13:07.41 | vinzbn | hi ! after a kernel upgrade, I've no network. My ethX are ok, packets are send from my debian to my domain controller, but without answer. any idea ? |
| 13:07.44 | jm_ | atsi: it depends on X libs, I have never tried it |
| 13:07.54 | jnk | atsi, yep there are several but they were not very functional when I checked them.. just look on google |
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| 13:08.08 | Bakus | can someone help me ? |
| 13:08.10 | jnk | atsi, in the package itself there's no gui |
| 13:08.29 | atsi | jnk, i checked. i did not find anything significant |
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| 13:09.05 | jm_ | Gnea: that's not sed issue, it's a shell escaping issue |
| 13:09.05 | jnk | atsi, http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/ see the GUI Frontends section at the bottom of the page |
| 13:09.22 | Gnea | jm_: right, fixed it: grep Xcursor /usr/lib/*.la | awk '{print $1}' | sed -e 's/\:dependency_libs=.//g'. |
| 13:09.28 | Gnea | oops |
| 13:09.33 | Gnea | jm_: right, fixed it: grep Xcursor /usr/lib/*.la | awk '{print $1}' | sed -e 's/\:dependency_libs=.//g' |
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| 13:10.15 | Akbar | I'm getting 'File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico' error.log messages for every request to the apache server.. |
| 13:10.30 | abrotman | so make one? .. stupid browsers are looking for it |
| 13:10.41 | Akbar | everything works fine.. but wtf is it? |
| 13:10.48 | copyweb1 | i have a problem since yesterday, when i try to exec startx it says: xinit: connection refused (errno 111) unable to connect to X server and xinit: no such process (errno 3) Server Error, i tried to give a dpkg -i --force-confmiss x11-common_package_name_end but it still doesn't work, both user and root. What could be happen? I'm using sid |
| 13:10.54 | Tassium | Akbar: That's nothing unusual. It's the tiny little icon that shows up in the address bar and in the bookmarks menus of browsers |
| 13:10.56 | abrotman | you konw in FF .. that little "icon" next to the URL? .. that's a favicon |
| 13:11.00 | Akbar | oh |
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| 13:11.14 | Akbar | hahaha |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | there's no harm .. either make a favicon .. or ignore then message |
| 13:11.25 | jnk | Akbar, I don't know but were I you I'd grep for favicon in the apache directory in /etc |
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| 13:11.54 | jnk | abrotman, ah ok |
| 13:11.56 | Akbar | do they have a debian favicon? :P |
| 13:12.07 | Gnea | Akbar: make one :P |
| 13:12.18 | Tassium | Akbar: Sure. Www.debian.org |
| 13:12.22 | vinzbn | -bug- hi ! after a kernel upgrade, I've no more network. My ethX are ok, packets are send from my debian to my domain controller, without answer. any idea ? |
| 13:12.26 | Akbar | nice.. |
| 13:12.29 | vinzbn | (sorry if you received this request before, but my irc crashed) |
| 13:12.50 | Tassium | vinzbn: When you rebooted to use the new kernel, did you have an init script put up a firewall you forgot about? |
| 13:13.16 | copyweb1 | vinzbn, did u manually compiled the kernel or you just used a pre-configured one? |
| 13:13.22 | Tassium | Or perhaps your default policy is to deny, and you have to open up the firewall. |
| 13:13.22 | Akbar | a custom kernel? |
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| 13:14.15 | vinzbn | tassium > my firewall drop only packets coming from internet interface (eth0) and accept all the rest (it has been ckecked with a guy from #debian-fr). |
| 13:14.19 | EvilDin | hay why my keaboard works some time in gnome sth not, how do i reconfigure gnome that will work atutomatic configuration |
| 13:14.42 | Akbar | wha? |
| 13:14.57 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > first I tried with a manual compilation, but as it didn't worked, I tried with a pre-configured kernel |
| 13:14.58 | Akbar | your keyboard layout? |
| 13:15.12 | EvilDin | it should be pc105 |
| 13:15.42 | EvilDin | i set to pc104 101 and sometimes works sth not |
| 13:15.45 | Akbar | you could dpkg-reconfigure your x, is that what you mean? |
| 13:16.27 | EvilDin | yeah i try to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:16.31 | EvilDin | but then i reboot |
| 13:16.40 | EvilDin | and sth works sth not most of time not |
| 13:16.42 | copyweb1 | vinzbn, what if you remove your firewall? You still have no answer? |
| 13:16.46 | EvilDin | how can i fix this |
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| 13:17.02 | noborusan | In debian 3.1 install,how do i get into the normal black/white paritition window ?i am very confused with the gui partitionlar |
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| 13:17.34 | jm_ | noborusan: alt-f2 |
| 13:17.43 | noborusan | Thanks |
| 13:17.45 | EvilDin | any idea |
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| 13:17.53 | abrotman | Akbar: sure they do .. you want that on your site? |
| 13:18.03 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > the thing is that my debian is direct under internet, so don't you think it's very vulnerable if I remove the firewall ?.. |
| 13:18.06 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/favicon.ico |
| 13:18.24 | Akbar | abrotman, yah |
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| 13:18.28 | Akbar | thx |
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| 13:18.48 | Akbar | debian fanboy :( |
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| 13:18.59 | zimnyx | Any happy vim7 user? |
| 13:19.14 | zimnyx | i'm looking for some installable package |
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| 13:19.27 | noborusan | jm_, i dont know what to do after that,im in the command line and dont know how to go back to the gui mode |
| 13:19.33 | zimnyx | i tried one, but was not working correctly |
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| 13:19.42 | stew | zimnyx: its in experimental, it should enter unstable sometime not too long from now |
| 13:19.47 | jm_ | zimnyx: Debian's maintainer has them |
| 13:20.00 | EvilDin | is there possible that system detect itself keyboard, keyboard works in shell, but when gdm start doesn't work anymore |
| 13:20.06 | jm_ | noborusan: well type the command, i.e. fdisk/cfdisk, alt-f1 to go back |
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| 13:20.23 | noborusan | jm_,ok |
| 13:20.29 | stew | EvilDin: you mean it works in console but not in x? |
| 13:20.30 | copyweb1 | vinzbn, ifconfig correctly show the interfaces? netstat -aptn show the open port(s)? |
| 13:20.32 | Akbar | EvilDin, you could edit your /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 |
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| 13:20.44 | Akbar | or just dpkg-reconfigure your xserver |
| 13:21.07 | Akbar | make sure you have a backup though.. |
| 13:21.26 | zimnyx | jm_: i tried this one,, something was not working correctly |
| 13:21.45 | jm_ | zimnyx: that's why it's called experimental |
| 13:21.50 | ft | zimnyx: i'm using that package as well, no problems here. |
| 13:21.54 | zimnyx | stew: great, i'm looking forward to seeing it in Etch |
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| 13:22.21 | zimnyx | ft: it ignored my ~/.vim(rc) |
| 13:22.21 | stew | zimnyx: you tried which? the on e in experimental? |
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| 13:22.45 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > ifconfig shows correctly the interfaces yes. netstat -aptn shows me only ports 80,25. |
| 13:22.46 | ft | zimnyx: well, it works here. |
| 13:23.09 | ft | zimnyx: the one from experimental, that is. |
| 13:23.31 | zimnyx | i used that one http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-vim-maintainers/2006-March/002226.html |
| 13:23.45 | ft | zimnyx: ah okay, so i got you wrong. |
| 13:24.43 | copyweb1 | vinzbn, did you try to exec /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 13:25.14 | EvilDin | yes i can edit XFBCongif-4 |
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| 13:26.05 | prp | hello, how can i make it so users can't see other users home dirs ? there was a setting in the installatin configuration... ? |
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| 13:26.21 | bengrubb | hey there whats the command to change a directory name |
| 13:26.29 | bengrubb | like rename it |
| 13:26.36 | prp | bengrubb: mv old new |
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| 13:26.45 | bengrubb | ok cool |
| 13:27.01 | yggdrasil | hello, is there away to ping my whole subnet to see what ips are availiable ? |
| 13:27.06 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > networking restart => no error. iptables -F => everything is opened. ping www.google.com => unknown host |
| 13:27.07 | jm_ | prp: adduser config option |
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| 13:27.29 | bengrubb | use the broadcast address yggdrasil ? i dunno |
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| 13:27.36 | zignig | bleh! |
| 13:27.45 | Tassium | prp: Look in /etc/adduser.conf. Note that if you make changes, it will NOT affect existing home directories and you'll have to chmod them yourself |
| 13:27.50 | EvilDin | at keyboard seted to pc102 and pc105 doesn't work |
| 13:28.15 | prp | Tassium: thanx |
| 13:28.21 | prp | jm_: what option ? |
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| 13:28.37 | bengrubb | prp: Thanks, worked |
| 13:28.38 | yggdrasil | png 255.255.255.255 -b ? |
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| 13:28.46 | jm_ | prp: reconfigure the package, it will ask you |
| 13:28.50 | Tassium | yggdrasil: You can use nmap, also. |
| 13:28.52 | prp | bengrubb: np |
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| 13:29.28 | prp | jm_: errr.. what was the pkg ? |
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| 13:29.36 | yggdrasil | do i have to install nmap ? |
| 13:29.39 | jm_ | prp: I have already told you - adduser |
| 13:29.46 | Tassium | yggdrasil: Um, if you want it to work it'd help to install it, yes |
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| 13:30.03 | prp | jm_ thanx.. |
| 13:30.09 | yggdrasil | illl give it a try |
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| 13:32.05 | gnufan | winbind with PAM -- I've pulled some etch packages onto my sarge test machine -- that fixed one problem (bug report time soon). But I'd like to get everything correct before I file a bug. So I know it isn't me. |
| 13:32.09 | copyweb1 | vinzbn, did u write the dns on /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:32.34 | yggdrasil | how do i do it using ping ? |
| 13:33.02 | gnufan | Anyone got a working PAM config for the winbind only (no kerberos) domain integration. I'd expect it to have mkhomedir and winbind.so scattered about -- but beyond my grasp of what is happening. |
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| 13:34.12 | PenguinL0v3r | hello |
| 13:34.14 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > I just have "search mydomainname" and "nameserver 192.168.68.1" in my resolve.conf (68.1 is my internal dns server) |
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| 13:34.25 | PenguinL0v3r | Can I post a question? |
| 13:34.33 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: You just did. Don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 13:34.41 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks |
| 13:34.48 | tijn | loving like in 'caring about' right? :D |
| 13:34.48 | PenguinL0v3r | What is Kommander? |
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| 13:35.36 | vinzbn | re |
| 13:35.50 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: Kommander is a set of tools to build GUI dialogs. apt-cache show kommander |
| 13:35.54 | noborusan | in the partition type window there is not a swap listed |
| 13:36.19 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > I hope you didn't answer me since my irc crashed (again ...) |
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| 13:36.24 | jm_ | noborusan: there is |
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| 13:36.37 | PenguinL0v3r | how can I lauch Kommander? |
| 13:36.53 | PenguinL0v3r | I typed "kommander" in bash |
| 13:37.03 | PenguinL0v3r | but the error message came out "command not found" |
| 13:37.04 | tijn | whereis kommander |
| 13:37.10 | noborusan | jm_,i mean i would like to manually create partitions ,i should select 'multi-users mode; right ? |
| 13:37.10 | PenguinL0v3r | wait a moment |
| 13:37.16 | jm_ | !tell PenguinL0v3r -about installit |
| 13:37.30 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: I get the idea that kommander is more a set of smaller tools than a single application. Try looking in /usr/share/doc/kommander (assuming you have the package installed) |
| 13:37.31 | copyweb1 | vinzbn, i'm sorry but i didn't answer. i just finished my idea... sorry |
| 13:37.46 | iturk | my friends in debian which is the file where the classpath variables are stored ?? |
| 13:37.48 | jm_ | noborusan: I have no idea, the partition manager in d-i scared the heck out of me so I used fdisk to create them manually |
| 13:37.56 | PenguinL0v3r | how can i find the location of kommander? |
| 13:38.13 | PenguinL0v3r | can i just type "locate kommander"? |
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| 13:38.37 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: dpkg --listfiles kommander | less See also the docs in /usr/share/doc/kommander |
| 13:38.44 | PenguinL0v3r | wait a moment |
| 13:39.08 | prp | another question from where can i limit more what a user can do ? |
| 13:39.20 | Tassium | prp: Limit in what way? |
| 13:39.29 | noborusan | jm_,but i dont know which switches added to run fdisk |
| 13:39.42 | prp | Tassium: well i don't want it to have access to anything.. just a database and some www-data files... |
| 13:39.44 | PenguinL0v3r | Tassium, I think it is in /usr/bin |
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| 13:39.47 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > it's just I was out for some seconds, so if you answered me while I was out, it should had been too sad ;) |
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| 13:40.07 | SpAnIaRd | hello...anyone know if there is a paramater in the bootloader cfg file to stop text output? |
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| 13:40.11 | scorphus | hi! I can't read a thing on Emacs text window, no even those tips when you stop the mouse over a button. I think I have a charset misconfig, please take a look: http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emacs.png |
| 13:40.22 | Tassium | prp: Hard to do. Sounds like you probably don't want to give users a login shell |
| 13:40.22 | nixie | i have a 12 button mouse. I have been able to map the extra buttons with xmodmap, and i am using xbindkeys to bind actions to the extra mouse buttons. when i push button 10 without any other mouse button, xbindkeys receives the signal and all works fine. however, if i have another mouse button pressed, it doesn't work. I have checked with xev and the only difference between pushing button 10, and pusing it with another button pressed down, is the 'state'. i am a |
| 13:40.31 | Arafangion | Is it likely that the new Sun JRE license might be suitable for Debian? |
| 13:40.35 | EvilDin | <stew> yes it works in console but stop working in gnome when gdm is started |
| 13:40.54 | Arafangion | (There are rumours that Sun is changing the license to allow more easy integration into linux) |
| 13:40.57 | SpAnIaRd | the users get scared if they see text |
| 13:41.00 | nixie | it seems as if xbindkeys doesn't receive the button 10 press signal whenever another mouse button is pressed. |
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| 13:41.15 | stew | EvilDin: what version of x? |
| 13:41.15 | PenguinL0v3r | Tassium, I still could not find it |
| 13:41.19 | SpAnIaRd | when they see text they think something is wrong |
| 13:41.19 | prp | Tassium: situation is that this is at work.... the boss says give access but i don't trust them and i only whant to give them access to what they need.... |
| 13:41.32 | SpAnIaRd | that's why i want to stop all text from showing up during boot process |
| 13:41.41 | SpAnIaRd | should probably use LILO hey? |
| 13:41.41 | EvilDin | it is xserver-free86 |
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| 13:42.06 | Arafangion | SpAnIaRd: Grub is better. |
| 13:42.21 | SpAnIaRd | is there a way to stop text then? |
| 13:42.29 | SpAnIaRd | from appearing? |
| 13:42.36 | vinzbn | copyweb1 > I spoke with a guy on debian-fr who said it could be udev. |
| 13:42.44 | PenguinL0v3r | How can I launch Kommander? |
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| 13:42.52 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: It doesn't work that way. |
| 13:42.55 | prp | Tassium: any advice ? |
| 13:43.00 | PenguinL0v3r | is it? |
| 13:43.01 | PenguinL0v3r | oh |
| 13:43.03 | Arafangion | SpAnIaRd: Just load GDM when it's all loaded. |
| 13:43.04 | PenguinL0v3r | hahaha |
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| 13:43.21 | PenguinL0v3r | then how does it work? |
| 13:43.25 | prp | Tassium: or even better.. how can i "spy" what they are doing without them knowing that |
| 13:43.30 | SpAnIaRd | lol yer i have that but i dont want them to see all the text in between...because they think something is wrong |
| 13:43.32 | Arafangion | SpAnIaRd: Computers with windows also sprout pleanty of text, doesn't make the users worried either. |
| 13:43.33 | EvilDin | it simple just stop working keyboard when gdm start even numlock doesn't respond |
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| 13:44.06 | Tassium | prp: Well, I won't debate the ethics of what you're asking for. There is a package called ttysnoop, but I don't know how effective it is. |
| 13:44.14 | SpAnIaRd | basically i would like to stop all text and print something that says, "don't worry you're computer is loading" |
| 13:44.20 | Arafangion | SpAnIaRd: I think you will find that whenever anything is even slightly different, it will appear to be "wrong". |
| 13:44.23 | SpAnIaRd | your* |
| 13:44.30 | PenguinL0v3r | how shall I call Kommander? |
| 13:44.39 | Arafangion | SpAnIaRd: Not even Ubuntu stops all text. |
| 13:44.45 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:44.52 | prp | Tassium: well if you know a ethic method of blocking them... i would use it with plesure |
| 13:44.55 | Arafangion | SpAnIaRd: Though they do reduce it using framebuffer. |
| 13:45.24 | PenguinL0v3r | Tassium, I am trying to file some keywords in large numbers of files in separate directories |
| 13:45.30 | PenguinL0v3r | *find |
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| 13:45.37 | vinzbn | well, there's no network communication after a kernel upgrade. iptables has been flushed. My network cards and interfaces are ok. any idea ? please... |
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| 13:45.49 | PenguinL0v3r | for example, finding the text in source codes |
| 13:45.49 | Tassium | prp: Just goofing around with google, I found a chroot jail login howto, it may be useful to you. http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/current/doc/chroot-login-howto.html |
| 13:45.57 | EvilDin | <stew> any idea why stop working? |
| 13:46.01 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: That's what you use 'grep' for, not kommander |
| 13:46.06 | PenguinL0v3r | yes |
| 13:46.08 | PenguinL0v3r | that is the point |
| 13:46.12 | prp | Tassium: hmm that sounds good |
| 13:46.13 | PenguinL0v3r | grep is the command line tools right? |
| 13:46.33 | SpAnIaRd | okay cool |
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| 13:46.41 | PenguinL0v3r | someone in Debain forums suggestted me to combine grep and kommander |
| 13:46.55 | SpAnIaRd | so i can stop text output by fidling with framebuffer |
| 13:46.56 | PenguinL0v3r | so that I could list down the matched files |
| 13:47.15 | PenguinL0v3r | and from that I could click and go to the files |
| 13:47.19 | PenguinL0v3r | Is it feasible? |
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| 13:47.30 | iturk | did anyone knows where i can set the classpath variable in debian like in a file ?????? |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | for java? |
| 13:47.49 | iturk | yes |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | maybe ask #debian-java .. not sure |
| 13:48.07 | js_ | iturk: set CLASSPATH in /etc/profile |
| 13:48.07 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: Feasible? I suppose you could script that up, yes. It's going to require work though, it's not a simple matter of just combining kommander and grep. You'll need to do some scripting. |
| 13:48.11 | PenguinL0v3r | this idea is from http://www.powergrep.com/ |
| 13:48.16 | Tassium | iturk: Classpath is just an environmental variable |
| 13:48.20 | abrotman | js_: is that where you're really supposed to do it? |
| 13:48.24 | noborusan | finally understand the gui partition mode,but if create / , /var , /tmp ,swap then give the rest of spaces for /usr, by then /home will share spaces with /usr ? |
| 13:48.27 | PenguinL0v3r | yes I dont mind doing some scripting. |
| 13:48.31 | iturk | exactly i want to create many |
| 13:48.32 | Arafangion | abrotman: Thanks, I'll ask tomorrow. It's getting late. |
| 13:48.41 | js_ | abrotman: oh, i'm not sure about the debian way |
| 13:48.44 | prp | Tassium: btw.. isnt't there a way to block a specific user for reading a directory ? |
| 13:48.44 | PenguinL0v3r | but the problem is now I dont know where to get started. |
| 13:48.47 | abrotman | js_: that was my point :) |
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| 13:48.58 | PenguinL0v3r | I just started to use Debian last month./ |
| 13:48.59 | iturk | thanks |
| 13:49.08 | PenguinL0v3r | and I dont mind trying all sorts of things. |
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| 13:49.19 | Tassium | prp: *nix permissions don't tend to be that fine-grained. You could make a directory owned by a specific group and not put the user into the group.. |
| 13:49.22 | PenguinL0v3r | but I have very limited knowledge at this point. |
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| 13:49.40 | PenguinL0v3r | Can you tell me how I get started for kommander? |
| 13:49.46 | PenguinL0v3r | it sounds interesting. |
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| 13:49.53 | dabaR | I can not get my wireless card to work. It is an airport extreme. Some output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13430. The lshw shows interesting output, says my card is disabled, do you know how to enable that perhaps? |
| 13:49.54 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks ! |
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| 13:50.03 | Tassium | PenguinL0v3r: Sorry, no. I don't use kommander. If you're serious about trying it out and learning to script, please please please read the documentation. |
| 13:50.10 | PenguinL0v3r | sure |
| 13:50.14 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks for your frankness |
| 13:50.26 | PenguinL0v3r | I think thats all for my question |
| 13:50.37 | PenguinL0v3r | have a nice day ! |
| 13:50.43 | Tassium | Thanks, you too |
| 13:51.23 | iturk | js_: well if i make $ CLASSPATH i can many entries there but in my /etc/profile CLASSPATH is not defined so where is the system picking all this information :: or in which places can the classpath be set ?? |
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| 13:51.36 | wwallace_lap | hi abrotman |
| 13:51.44 | wwallace_lap | how the hell are you today? |
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| 13:51.59 | wwallace_lap | came today to check you out r u ina good mood? |
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| 13:52.38 | jonathan_ | bonjour ā tous |
| 13:52.38 | jethro | !fr |
| 13:52.38 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 13:53.29 | wwallace_lap | !es |
| 13:53.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:53.34 | js_ | iturk: ask in #debian-java like abrotman said |
| 13:53.41 | wwallace_lap | !russian |
| 13:53.41 | dpkg | from memory, russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 13:53.53 | wwallace_lap | !chinese |
| 13:53.53 | dpkg | well, chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh |
| 13:53.58 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 13:53.58 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:53.58 | wwallace_lap | lol |
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| 13:54.11 | wwallace_lap | there you are my friend whats new? |
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| 13:54.27 | abrotman | i wish my life consisted of being a worthless troll |
| 13:54.36 | wwallace_lap | i wish that too |
| 13:54.58 | Akbar | :P |
| 13:54.58 | wwallace_lap | may ttrolls here? |
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| 13:55.15 | wwallace_lap | what is a good verbose debian installation tutorial? |
| 13:55.25 | Tassium | wwallace_lap: Did you look at the debian installation instructions from debian.org? |
| 13:55.31 | iturk | js_: well they seem a bit inactive for a moment !! |
| 13:55.36 | wwallace_lap | thats not verbose |
| 13:55.36 | abrotman | Tassium: he's a troll .. ignore him |
| 13:55.54 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: thats algitimate question |
| 13:55.59 | wwallace_lap | im not trolling now |
| 13:56.05 | wwallace_lap | you knw when i am |
| 13:56.28 | SlayerXP | WARE 2 GET LINSPIRE INSTALL RPM FOR DEBIAN?!?!?!??! |
| 13:56.36 | wwallace_lap | kill the caps please |
| 13:56.38 | Akbar | ? |
| 13:56.44 | SlayerXP | humour, it's called humour. |
| 13:56.48 | wwallace_lap | !tell SlayerXP about caps |
| 13:57.02 | SlayerXP | I _know_ |
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| 13:57.05 | SlayerXP | I was being funny |
| 13:57.06 | xxxAGENTExxx | olá |
| 13:57.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:57.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:57.32 | wwallace_lap | so abrotman you have an answer for my q or you just come here to call good souls trolls? |
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| 13:57.53 | xxxAGENTExxx | preciso instalar uma impressora de rede no debian e não estou conseguindo, ela não é conectada a nenhum computador, somente a um cabo de rede, o que devo escolher na opįão device |
| 13:58.00 | wwallace_lap | !portuguese |
| 13:58.00 | dpkg | it has been said that portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:58.04 | xxxAGENTExxx | modo que ela é conectada |
| 13:58.08 | abrotman | xxxAGENTExxx: please go to #debian-es |
| 13:58.10 | xxxAGENTExxx | tem USB, socket |
| 13:58.12 | abrotman | xxxAGENTExxx: /join #debian-es |
| 13:58.20 | wwallace_lap | hes not speaking spanish you ignorant |
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| 13:58.24 | wwallace_lap | is portuguese |
| 13:58.24 | abrotman | or /join #debian-br |
| 13:58.42 | Noboru | is it truth that only / is primary the rest of them are Logic partitions ? |
| 13:59.00 | wwallace_lap | thers no such as a brazilian language thats like saying purto ricans speak puerto rican |
| 13:59.13 | abrotman | Noboru: you don't have to have / on a primary .. it can be on a logical |
| 13:59.26 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: c ya l8r |
| 13:59.29 | wwallace_lap | bye |
| 13:59.37 | wwallace_lap | cheer up man lifes too short |
| 13:59.41 | Noboru | abrotman,i have an empty disk for debian |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | Noboru: ok .. |
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| 14:02.35 | vinzbn | is there any way to install from scratch with a 2.6.14 kernel without doing a kernel upgrade ? |
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| 14:04.02 | moi1392 | hello, I found a bug in krita, and since I want to get a full backtrace, I installed koffice-dbg, but when I try to run /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/krita, it doesn't work an dI get a bash error : "cannot execute binary file" what I'm missing ? |
| 14:05.04 | abrotman | #debian-kde might know more |
| 14:05.17 | abrotman | moi1392: the bug isn't in the BTS? |
| 14:05.28 | Angels2 | moi1392: how do you execute the file? |
| 14:05.55 | moi1392 | abrotman: i don't check yet the bts, i try to get a backtrace first. |
| 14:06.13 | jethro | moi1392: why spend time doing this if the bug is already known? |
| 14:06.20 | abrotman | moi1392: better to start at the BTS |
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| 14:06.42 | moi1392 | Angels2: sudo chmod 755 /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/krita; /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/krita |
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| 14:07.00 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=krita |
| 14:07.08 | abrotman | granted .. there's not much there :) |
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| 14:07.23 | moi1392 | jethro and abrotman : yes, but I want to know how to do that for the next time ;) |
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| 14:07.33 | wombachi | I cant use sarge netinst (hardware support) : where is the doc to replace the netinst kernel by a custom one ? |
| 14:07.40 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 14:07.41 | dpkg | i guess custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 14:07.46 | abrotman | !tell wombachi about sarge uni |
| 14:07.53 | Noboru | By the way, is it truth that only one partition can be marked as 'Begining' and the rest of them should be 'end' ? |
| 14:07.57 | Noboru | true* |
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| 14:08.15 | wombachi | abrotman thanks, quick response :) I'll read that (Dell srv indeed) |
| 14:08.39 | abrotman | wombachi: i'll withhold my opinions about Dell servers :) |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | because then petemc will whack me with a potato |
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| 14:09.57 | wombachi | abrotman mm ok, now I'm really scared. Do Dell srvs explode when you approach them with a Debian netinst CD? |
| 14:10.13 | abrotman | wombachi: i have issues with dell hardware :) |
| 14:10.18 | Tassium | wombachi: Not exactly, it's more like in War of the Worlds, only without Tom Cruise. |
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| 14:10.35 | moi1392 | nobody know how to use *-dbg packages ? :'( |
| 14:10.38 | abrotman | wombachi: or rather .. the quality of ... |
| 14:10.52 | abrotman | moi1392: is the partition mounted noexec? |
| 14:10.58 | moi1392 | no |
| 14:11.04 | abrotman | (which would be pretty hard to do for /usr/) |
| 14:11.16 | moi1392 | :) |
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| 14:11.23 | wombachi | perhaps I'll be lucky. No hardware pblm till now, because installer dont see the disks yet |
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| 14:11.51 | abrotman | moi1392: query #debian-kde quickly .. see if they have a better answer .. or a better way to find the info needed to fix/file the bug |
| 14:12.29 | bengrubb | hey can debian handle .zips, if so is there a way to unzip in it ? |
| 14:12.45 | bengrubb | as i know i can tar wit .tar.bz2 etc |
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| 14:12.54 | Akbar | apt-get install zip unzip |
| 14:12.56 | moi1392 | abrotman: I already talked to krita main developper in #koffice ;) he says me that he have not this bug in his installation and guess for a full backtrace :/ |
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| 14:13.03 | bengrubb | ta |
| 14:13.08 | bengrubb | ill read da man |
| 14:13.17 | bengrubb | ty akbar |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | moi1392: that's why i'm saying to ask #debian-kde .. there might be Debian Developers in there .. and perhaps the one who did krita |
| 14:13.51 | abrotman | !maint krita |
| 14:14.10 | moi1392 | ok :) |
| 14:14.19 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 14:14.19 | dpkg | que tal, abrotman |
| 14:14.59 | moi1392 | hum.. how to get maintainers of a package with apt ? (or dpkg ?) |
| 14:15.21 | Tassium | moi1392: dpkg --status package-name | grep Maintainer |
| 14:15.32 | prp | Tassium: great news... i can limit them to only there /var/www folder :D what is the best way to do that.. chroot ? |
| 14:15.45 | moi1392 | thanks :) |
| 14:15.56 | abrotman | it's the debian-qt-kde team |
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| 14:16.40 | Tassium | prp: Do they need to be logged in to the box, or do they just need to be able to change the files in that one folder? It might make more sense to install samba or an FTP server, and disallow logins/ssh completely |
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| 14:17.24 | abrotman | you could set thier $HOME to /var/www/ and give them scp access |
| 14:17.45 | Tassium | abrotman: scp lets you get outside your home |
| 14:17.55 | Tassium | abrotman: scp user@wherever:/etc/passwd ./ |
| 14:18.03 | prp | Tassium: they only need to change files.. but i can't install ftp (policy) and samba is restricted to local network (god damn policy)... |
| 14:18.21 | abrotman | Tassium: duh :) |
| 14:18.47 | abrotman | i guess he's looking at chroot |
| 14:18.59 | abrotman | prp: how about rsync? :) |
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| 14:19.35 | prp | nope :( |
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| 14:19.44 | Tassium | prp: How bout Samba over a VPN? ;) Now we're getting complicated for a simple problem. |
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| 14:20.04 | prp | Tassium: let's keep it simple :D |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | SFTP? |
| 14:20.09 | abrotman | !tell GPLed about root |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | prp: sneakernet? |
| 14:20.54 | Tassium | Never underestimate the bandwidth of a minivan packed with backup tapes. |
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| 14:21.52 | prp | so the only thign is chroot.. |
| 14:22.07 | abrotman | Tassium: Packet Loss =~ Said van rearending a Pinto |
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| 14:22.26 | Tassium | abrotman: The latency is a bit much, too. |
| 14:22.55 | abrotman | yes it is |
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| 14:23.30 | tombs | hi all |
| 14:23.34 | cahoot | abrotman: isn't thet more a change of TTL? |
| 14:23.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:23.45 | Tassium | abrotman: That reminds me, have you ever read the comparison of penises (Penii??) to cable modems? |
| 14:23.52 | abrotman | Tassium: uhm .. no |
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| 14:24.03 | Tassium | http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=973934 |
| 14:24.22 | Tassium | That's safe for work, unless having the word "penis" on your screen will get you fired. |
| 14:24.28 | abrotman | i'm the admin :) |
| 14:24.54 | Noboru | can anyone tell me how to enter in the troditional partition interface window in sarge ?im totally confused |
| 14:25.22 | abrotman | cfdisk ? |
| 14:25.29 | abrotman | are you in the installer? |
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| 14:26.13 | Noboru | abrotman, fatal error:cannot open disk driver |
| 14:26.13 | Noboru | yea im |
| 14:26.37 | abrotman | what kind of machine is this? |
| 14:26.47 | Noboru | in vmware |
| 14:27.13 | Noboru | deskop pc |
| 14:27.21 | abrotman | i've never used vmware |
| 14:27.40 | abrotman | but i would expect it to be able to replicate a disk controller of some sort |
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| 14:28.17 | Noboru | You mean that error from running cfsk which has something to do with vmware ? |
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| 14:28.30 | Noboru | cfdisk* |
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| 14:32.05 | is_null | hello everybody, kernel freezed then l@ptop keybo@rd w@sn't working no more, usb l@ptop is working (but i need th@t l@ptop on this connected computer bec@use @ very usefull key is not functionn@l) |
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| 14:32.36 | kjd | :) |
| 14:33.00 | is_null | ple@se @nyone ? |
| 14:33.22 | kjd | i've got a stupid question. :) i'm trying to get my belkin 54g wireless pci working, so i got sites that tell me 'bout ndiswrapper and wireless-tools, both are installed, but one problem that i can't get rid off is this... |
| 14:33.46 | kjd | Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build; |
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| 14:33.55 | kjd | give the path to kernel build directory with KBUILD=<path> argument to make |
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| 14:34.07 | SlayerXP | kjd: a simpler solution is to buy properly supported hardware. |
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| 14:34.13 | kjd | i installed the kernel source, and even lionk it. but it still doesn't work. any ideas? |
| 14:34.31 | kjd | i'm limited to what i can get in this country, unfortunately. |
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| 14:35.22 | kjd | do i have to unpack kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2 and re-link it? |
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| 14:38.47 | evilgeek | hahaha. |
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| 14:38.59 | Noboru | can every partition in debian marked as 'beginning' ? |
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| 14:39.50 | abrotman | every partition has a beginning and end |
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| 14:39.54 | Tassium | Noboru: How can you have them all at the beginning? One of them has to be first on the disk, right? |
| 14:41.21 | Supaplex | you misunderstood abrotman, Tassium. |
| 14:41.33 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 14:42.32 | Supaplex | oh good, now your both confused. |
| 14:42.47 | Noboru | Tassium, i set / as beginng |
| 14:42.49 | kjd | tad bit complicated, no? |
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| 14:44.46 | Supaplex | !nickometer macho_man_4_girl |
| 14:44.47 | dpkg | 'macho_man_4_girl' is 75.000% lame, supaplex |
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| 14:51.14 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:51.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:51.32 | luke | hey guys, is there a way to install the proprietary flash on 64 bit linux? |
| 14:51.39 | Supaplex | if that cow only weights twice as much as me, it's one sad sickly cow. |
| 14:52.07 | Noboru | a child cow -_- |
| 14:52.17 | Supaplex | luke: I know someone that's tried countless ways and failed. (gentoo) |
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| 14:54.53 | bengrubb | mooo |
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| 14:55.06 | Moein | My anjuta crashesh on open in Debian Etch. it looks a popular bug :P anybody know how to solve it ? |
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| 14:56.28 | Supaplex | what's the bug number? |
| 14:56.45 | Noboru | I have a question please ,why many people say Linux is just a kernel ? |
| 14:56.52 | inujel | hi Tellmarch |
| 14:57.04 | Moein | Supaplex, 32457 |
| 14:57.18 | stew | that would be a very old bug |
| 14:57.20 | Tellmarch | inujel: hi ^^ |
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| 14:57.27 | thingfish | Noboru: that's because it's correct: linux is the kernel; GNU is the rest of the software. |
| 14:57.32 | inujel | tu viens dans prologin ? |
| 14:57.36 | Funkmaster | I'm in need of a webcam application which has live feed on a website included not just taking shots, camserv doesn't work on my system get the erro V4l mmap incorrect path |
| 14:57.38 | Tellmarch | inujel: -> j'y suis ^^ |
| 14:57.39 | stew | !fr |
| 14:57.39 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:57.43 | Funkmaster | any1 an idea? |
| 14:57.48 | prudhvi | !te |
| 14:57.48 | dpkg | from memory, te is a good EPIC script, complete with colour and stuff. |
| 14:57.55 | ccg | acroread doesnt seem to work in testing, what other pdf viewers are there ? |
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| 14:58.10 | cahoot | ccg: works here |
| 14:58.14 | Moein | Supaplex, stew , 324572 (excuse me for last mistake :P ) |
| 14:58.21 | stew | ccg: apt-cache search pdf viewer |
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| 14:59.19 | cahoot | ccg: to be perfectly honest I installed directly from adobe in /usr/local |
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| 14:59.37 | Noboru | thingfish, how about fbsd ? she is also a kernel ? |
| 14:59.51 | Talnakh | hi guys, what would you suggest to use under linux to check a website for broken links? |
| 15:00.45 | Moein | Funkmaster, did you tried "webcam" ? |
| 15:00.50 | ccg | ill give xpdf a try |
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| 15:02.30 | stew | Talnakh: apt-cache search link checker |
| 15:02.56 | Talnakh | thanks |
| 15:03.20 | stew | Noboru: fbsd is both, you can in fact run debian with a fbsd kernel |
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| 15:03.31 | Supaplex | Moein: For what it's worth (never having installed/used it), that has something to do with whatever is acting as the webserver. Either that, or the server side script (cgi/php/etc). I'd have to install the source before I could put my finger on it. No ideas for a workaround. |
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| 15:04.21 | Noboru | stew, I see |
| 15:04.29 | Moein | Supaplex, thx anyway :) |
| 15:04.36 | warreng | if i have a dual xeon... should it show up as 4 cpu's or 1? |
| 15:04.57 | abrotman | certainly not one |
| 15:05.00 | Moein | warreng, 2 :D |
| 15:05.05 | stew | warreng: 4 if they support hyperthreading otherwise 2 |
| 15:05.05 | warreng | well it's hyperthreaded too |
| 15:05.13 | abrotman | how does the kernel show HT cpus? |
| 15:05.15 | Moein | warreng, so 4 ! |
| 15:05.16 | warreng | hrmm... how exactly would i check that? |
| 15:05.20 | nixie | where does top read or calculate the cpu usage in percentage? |
| 15:05.23 | Supaplex | provided your kernel has smp+ht support enabled |
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| 15:05.28 | warreng | when i press "1" in top, it only shows cpu0 |
| 15:05.28 | nixie | i'd like to include this in a script |
| 15:05.29 | stew | warreng: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:05.39 | warreng | hrmm.. just 1 |
| 15:06.05 | stew | warreng: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:06.09 | Supaplex | nixie: dpkg -S `which top` ; apt-get source <package> |
| 15:06.37 | warreng | stew: i think it's a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 15:06.45 | stew | warreng: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 15:06.45 | warreng | stew: my datacenter just re-imaged the drive with debian last night |
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| 15:06.54 | stew | i assume debian stable |
| 15:07.05 | nixie | Supaplex: i was hoping on something more simple. like cat /proc/something. thanks. |
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| 15:07.13 | warreng | well it started stable.. but i updated to testing last night too (but that didn't change the kernel for some reason) |
| 15:07.31 | fluxdude | does anybody know if it's possible to read data off a windows dynamic disk span in linux? |
| 15:07.34 | stew | warreng: in that case you want: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 15:07.47 | stew | warreng: and /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 15:08.23 | Supaplex | nixie: I think you have to read; sleep; read again, and calculate the differences. the sources for top would certianly have the answer. granted, it would have many answers you're not interested in either hehe |
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| 15:09.00 | nixie | Supaplex: i suspect that as well so i will just stick with load averages. |
| 15:09.32 | nixie | i could do a top -n1 and some grep awk and sed voodoo, but i don't want delays. so load will do. |
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| 15:10.25 | pontus21 | is there a graphical interface for postfix ? |
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| 15:10.30 | nixie | its nifty tho; i'm showing load, cpu/mb temp, fanspeed, free ram, swap, and my DSL up&down on my keyboard LCD. |
| 15:10.41 | Supaplex | pontus21: xterm ;) |
| 15:10.47 | stew | nixie: what are you trying to figure out? |
| 15:11.15 | streuner | pontus21: dpkg-reconfigure postfix? |
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| 15:11.21 | pontus21 | for the girls who work in the commercial service |
| 15:11.22 | stew | nixie: running the output of a cureses app through awk is not going to get you good results |
| 15:11.23 | Supaplex | ~lart slow commuter traffic |
| 15:11.24 | nixie | a percentage value of cpu idle time. but this is probably not doable without two measuring points in time (like 1 second) |
| 15:11.46 | streuner | pontus21: looked ilohamail? |
| 15:11.56 | stew | nixie: "vmstat 1" will get you more parsable output |
| 15:12.03 | pontus21 | no, I didn't look |
| 15:12.36 | streuner | !info ilohamail |
| 15:12.39 | dpkg | ilohamail: (Light weight yet full featured multilingual web-based IMAP/POP3 client), section web, is optional. Version: 0.8.14-0rc3sid1 (sid), Packaged size: 371 kB, Installed size: 3820 kB |
| 15:12.46 | nixie | stew: good point. :) |
| 15:13.26 | stew | nixie: actually you want vmstat -n 1 |
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| 15:13.52 | ddfreyne | I can't seem to find headers for GNU objc compiler... are these included in debian at all? |
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| 15:14.20 | jair | when i open a new window channel in the irssi how can I close it without exit the irc? |
| 15:14.43 | Supaplex | ddfreyne: apt-file will help you locate the package that contains them, if you know the filename (eg, foo.h) |
| 15:15.12 | Supaplex | jair: /window close (for the current window) |
| 15:15.25 | jair | also I am having some problem mounting a usb drive (1GB) on my debian sarge. here are the details: http://pastebin.com/700155 |
| 15:15.32 | jair | Supaplex: thank you very much |
| 15:15.34 | Funkmaster | looking for camserv like application, which can take a video source and provide a LIVE feed on a website |
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| 15:15.37 | ddfreyne | Supaplex: thanks a lot |
| 15:15.46 | Funkmaster | any suggestions? |
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| 15:15.58 | jair | Supaplex: it is also a way that I can use the highlight colors feature rigth? |
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| 15:17.21 | Supaplex | jair: maybe, try #irssi |
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| 15:18.18 | Gnea | fuck. is audacity working for anyone in sid? |
| 15:18.24 | jonas22 | hmm.. i was having a problem with etch installer chroot yesterday, but i'm seeing this : "chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc" on google groups |
| 15:18.34 | jair | Supaplex: thank you |
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| 15:18.48 | Supaplex | !btssmite Gnea |
| 15:18.50 | Zvpun | Is there a progam that tells me whether the key I typed is a utf-8 char or latin-9 char? |
| 15:18.56 | Gnea | Supaplex: been there, done that. |
| 15:19.07 | Gnea | Supaplex: are you running sid? |
| 15:19.15 | Supaplex | yea |
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| 15:19.25 | jonas22 | i was having trouble with chrooting and running *anything* (getting segmentation faults), but never got that error |
| 15:19.44 | Gnea | Supaplex: do you have audacity installed? if so, does it segfault when starting? |
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| 15:19.56 | Supaplex | no audacity here. |
| 15:20.12 | Gnea | when's the last time you upgraded? |
| 15:20.13 | jair | I hope this is working now |
| 15:20.43 | Supaplex | a while actually. testing may have surpassed much of me. :P |
| 15:20.50 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:20.51 | jair | this is a test |
| 15:20.54 | jair | sorry |
| 15:20.56 | Supaplex | !test jair |
| 15:20.56 | dpkg | Testing jair... *****$$#$ |
| 15:20.59 | Gnea | test recieved |
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| 15:21.01 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 15:21.01 | _ericb | hi all |
| 15:21.05 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:21.15 | jair | hello |
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| 15:21.32 | Supaplex | !say hello jair! |
| 15:21.32 | dpkg | hello jair! |
| 15:21.44 | jair | haha |
| 15:21.51 | Gnea | 0xb7b0c7dd in wxWindowDC::DoGetTextExtent () from /usr/lib/libwx_gtk-2.4.so.1 |
| 15:21.52 | jair | thank you for play with the bot |
| 15:21.54 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 15:22.13 | jair | I will be back |
| 15:22.14 | _ericb | windows' openoffice have a kind of preloader that starts at boot time and accelerate the startup of oo applications.. is it possible to do that with debian ? |
| 15:22.42 | jair | anyone have been able o mount a 1GB usb drive on debian? |
| 15:22.42 | Gnea | _ericb: that's not an OO feature, it's a desktop environment feature |
| 15:22.51 | _ericb | well it comes with openoffice |
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| 15:22.57 | Zvpun | Gnea: are you sure? I think it is a OO feature. |
| 15:23.03 | Gnea | jair: 512M, i'm sure it'd be about the same |
| 15:23.09 | jair | this is the problem I am having : http://pastebin.com/700155 |
| 15:23.26 | _ericb | I'm quite shure it's an OO feature... like firefox preloader is a firefox feature.. |
| 15:23.30 | jair | Gnea: but I am having problems with it |
| 15:23.37 | cahoot | _ericb: already enabled prelinking? |
| 15:23.43 | Gnea | there's a firefox preloader? explain. |
| 15:23.55 | jair | Gnea: and I am continuoisly researching |
| 15:24.27 | _ericb | firefox preloader is an application that starts at windows boot time to reduce the time taken by firefox to startup |
| 15:24.38 | Gnea | okay |
| 15:24.38 | Supaplex | jair: sure it's not /dev/sda? some usb media has no partition table. check /proc/partitions |
| 15:24.40 | _ericb | cahoot prelinking.. no |
| 15:24.41 | Gnea | but there isn't one for linux |
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| 15:25.45 | strider | _ericb: i recall there being something for KDE ( a quickstart package). I guess Gnome may have one as well. |
| 15:25.46 | Gnea | you can run firefox in linux, and then close it, and it will start faster than before, but that's because the VM keeps certain bits of information around from recent programs in order to provide that feature - but there is a time-out value for that that is controlled via /proc |
| 15:26.12 | Zvpun | jair: you could do fdisk -l /dev/sda istead of the "p" thing. It wont help you with your problem though :-( |
| 15:26.19 | Gnea | _ericb: but i don't know if gnome or kde have such a thing - if so, then yes, it is indeed Desktop Environment controlled |
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| 15:26.34 | Gnea | it wouldn't work in Fluxbox, for instance |
| 15:26.43 | Supaplex | or pray that your session manager restarts it, and possibly puts it on some obsecure desktop you don't have to stare at until you want to use it... |
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| 15:26.58 | jair | Zvpun: but what do you mean that will give me the same info |
| 15:27.10 | Zvpun | _ericb: as far as I understand this preloading it is starting the application in background but not displaying a window |
| 15:27.11 | _ericb | Gnea you found oooqs-kde .. |
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| 15:27.28 | jair | anyone have been able to mount a 1GB usb drive in debian sarge 2.6.8-3-686 kernel :( |
| 15:27.29 | Zvpun | _ericb: you could for example start OO during login and minimize the window. |
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| 15:27.54 | Gnea | _ericb: ah yes, that would be it. |
| 15:27.56 | Zvpun | jair: yes fdisk -l does list the partition table as p does print it interactively |
| 15:28.51 | jair | Zvpun: ohh on cool thanks |
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| 15:30.19 | jair | I am trying to mount a 1GB usb drive anyone have had any problmes in the past? on sarge stable? |
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| 15:30.24 | Gnea | _ericb: okay, i was wrong. it can be used in other environments. very cool. |
| 15:30.27 | Zvpun | jair: what about mount /dev/sda /usbpen; and mount /dev/sda1 /usbpen; what do they report? |
| 15:30.37 | jair | I will check |
| 15:30.39 | fourat | which package does contain the sudo command ? |
| 15:30.50 | Zvpun | fourat: I would guess the sudo package? |
| 15:30.50 | stew | fourat: sudo ; /msg dpkg search |
| 15:30.57 | Gnea | jair: hrm, did you change the partition table type? |
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| 15:31.42 | jair | Gnea: yes you can see it there I can format it in Linux or windows either? |
| 15:31.47 | jair | jairzhino:~# mount /dev/sda /usbpen/ |
| 15:31.47 | jair | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 15:32.23 | jair | this is the output Zvpun |
| 15:32.38 | jair | the one abouve |
| 15:32.39 | mith | warreng: did installing kernel-image-2.6-686-smp not work or something? |
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| 15:32.47 | Roadrunne | Hi all. Is there any possibility to get the exit code from a background process which was started within a script and later terminated? To check if it is running I use kill -0 |
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| 15:33.30 | Gnea | jair: yes, but it was probably not always id b |
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| 15:34.02 | Zvpun | jair: sometimes less -f /dev/sda; and less -f /dev/sda1 help to identify the fs |
| 15:34.42 | Zvpun | jair: does usbview or similar verify that the usbpen is connected? |
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| 15:35.45 | warreng | mith: haven't tried yet... i sent a support ticket to my hosting company and told 'em they have to fix it because they didn't setup the kernel right in the first place |
| 15:35.46 | mcgrof | is there an easy way for me to get rid of all X/desktop packages? |
| 15:35.50 | Supaplex | Roadrunne: for a bash script, or C or what? I think you can trap SIGCHILD to reap the exit code of finished processes. otherwise capturing $? after a forked process line in bash will atleast grab the pid. |
| 15:35.56 | stew | i would hope that if he could figure out the fs with less, that mount -t auto would work |
| 15:36.28 | mith | warreng: we install the default kernel, if you want the smp kernel you're more than welcome to install it, just run that command and reboot. |
| 15:36.45 | stew | mcgrof: /msg dpkg remove x ; /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 15:37.04 | mith | warreng: also, we don't support testing, period |
| 15:37.07 | penguin | I am trying to do the logo tutorial on the GIMP site |
| 15:37.12 | mith | warreng: :) |
| 15:37.17 | Roadrunne | Supaplex: I start 2 background processes within a bash script, whichs loops until the processes are terminated. Now I want to get the exit codes from the 2 background processes. |
| 15:37.18 | mcgrof | thanks stew |
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| 15:37.37 | warreng | mith: they installed the right kernel the first time they setup the server... and if it doesn't come back up when i reboot, i don't want to have to call them up and say "i changed around the kernel and now it doesn't boot" |
| 15:37.39 | warreng | :) |
| 15:37.48 | goldenaura | Hi there. I am not able to install Debian Sarge r2 in a rack server, Fujitsu Promise RX100, i think it is because of the onboard Promise Raid FastTrak100 TX2? Even installing with "linux 2.6" it doesnt detect correctly the FastTrak. |
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| 15:38.26 | goldenaura | But when i try to use software raid, everything goes ok, but when rebooting it seems that there isnt a system disk |
| 15:38.49 | goldenaura | How can i bypass the FastTrak? just using it as a standard IDE interface? |
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| 15:39.25 | Supaplex | Roadrunne: try #bash. You could fork each of those off in a subshell and store the result in a temp file before the subshell exits |
| 15:39.35 | mith | warreng: look at your /msg's |
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| 15:40.24 | penguin | the pipe 1>&2 redirects error messages to stdout |
| 15:40.35 | Roadrunne | Supaplex: i'll take a look on sigchild... thx.. |
| 15:40.48 | stew | penguin: no that redirects stdout to stderr |
| 15:41.07 | _ericb | another thing, at each reboot the kernel seems to reset the permissions on /dev/input/event1, each time I need to reset the group and permission for it.. is there a way to correct this behavior ? beside hacking an init scrip that does it.. |
| 15:41.09 | Supaplex | and &>foo redirects everything to foo :) |
| 15:41.12 | Eulex | penguin, nah, 2>&1 |
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| 15:41.54 | stew | _ericb: you run udev? |
| 15:42.01 | penguin | Exit status of last program run is stored in $? |
| 15:42.29 | Eulex | penguin, indeed |
| 15:42.32 | _ericb | I run the default sarge installl ;) ps -A |grep usdev : udevd yes |
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| 15:42.35 | Supaplex | penguin: tias. it's either that or the pid of the last forked off process. |
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| 15:43.37 | penguin | echo $? in the bash program will give the exit status |
| 15:43.50 | tirkal | how do I find out which filesystem I have? |
| 15:44.12 | Supaplex | tirkal: mount |
| 15:44.31 | tirkal | Supaplex: or, to rephrase, is ext3 a filesystem name? |
| 15:44.52 | Supaplex | !ext3 |
| 15:44.52 | dpkg | well, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 15:45.10 | cahoot | tirkal: look at /proc/filesystems |
| 15:45.23 | tirkal | Supaplex: thanks (I found it out with df -T, just didn't know what to make of it) |
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| 15:45.48 | jair | guys I am trying to find an application in Linux or a script that can read the logs on the server and alert via email or any other way to the administrator about the password attempt or important security attempts. |
| 15:45.52 | tirkal | hm, would any of you gentlemen know the default location of the PostgreSQL file? |
| 15:46.00 | tirkal | (i.e. file-like socket) |
| 15:47.13 | petemc | jair: logcheck |
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| 15:48.59 | jair | petemc: what exactly that one does. |
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| 15:49.06 | kjd | !xfs |
| 15:49.07 | dpkg | xfs is probably the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/ |
| 15:49.14 | jair | petemc: I want to give you more details about what I am looking for. |
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| 15:50.03 | Perdignus | I have two TV cards in my box but they keep switching /dev/ identities with each other after every reboot. |
| 15:50.04 | Perdignus | Is there a way to prevent this and hammer them down to /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 ? |
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| 15:50.58 | trampel | Perdignus: you're running udev? |
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| 15:51.02 | viki_ | hi all! I can not umount a mounted partition. This is not a real partition but an file with loop device with encryption. it sais, this volume was busy. Can somebody help me, how can I umount this drive? |
| 15:51.13 | petemc | jair: look into logcheck and swatch, swatch didnt seem too straightforward when i looked at it last |
| 15:51.21 | Supaplex | viki_: lsof /mountpoint |
| 15:51.32 | Perdignus | trampel: yes |
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| 15:53.44 | trampel | Perdignus: then i'm afraid the straightforward answer lies somewhere here: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 15:53.54 | viki_ | Supaplex: it sais, lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete. |
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| 15:54.52 | Perdignus | trampel: would it be easier if I wasn't using udev? |
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| 15:55.53 | trampel | Perdignus: that question could raise a *lot* of discussion... but it does seem that udev is the way of the future |
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| 15:56.41 | viki_ | Supaplex: sorry, I have ran the command as root and the output was 'famd 4011 viki 58r DIR 7,0 4096 2 ./mountpoint/' |
| 15:57.00 | Supaplex | viki_: stop famd and then try to unmount |
| 15:57.07 | cahoot | trampel: this might help: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15861.html |
| 15:57.18 | viki_ | Supaplex: what is this famd? |
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| 15:57.32 | cahoot | Perdignus: : this might help: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15861.html |
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| 15:59.24 | Perdignus | OMG this all looks impossibly too complicated, the writing of rules that is :( |
| 15:59.48 | Gnea | Perdignus: if it was too complicated, then debian wouldn't exist |
| 16:00.41 | Perdignus | Gnea good point, too complicated for me at least, modules seem to be a real bugger in Debian IMHO |
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| 16:01.15 | Gnea | Perdignus: not really, just make sure you match the kernel version up with udev with whatever branch you're using |
| 16:01.22 | stew | _ericb: you can specify the permisions in /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 16:02.43 | Gnea | !udev |
| 16:02.43 | dpkg | hmm... udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
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| 16:03.03 | viki_ | Supaplex: I can stop famd only as root. This is working, now I can umount the drive, but it is not a proper solution for me. I intend to use these command as a normal user. Any idea? |
| 16:03.37 | abrotman | !fam |
| 16:03.37 | dpkg | [fam] a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 16:03.40 | Supaplex | I dispise famd (personal preference). uhmm... sudo should cover that. |
| 16:03.58 | abrotman | maybe you can tell famd to stay out of that drive |
| 16:04.23 | SemperEadem | Hello there, I've got a problem with the realtime module, jack and rosegarden or ardour. I am under debian sarge. When a record my guitar, few minutes later the computer reboot. Anyone to help me or to redirect me to a best channel ? |
| 16:04.37 | abrotman | you play bad music? |
| 16:05.47 | _ericb | hmm weird problem.. did you checked the logs ? |
| 16:06.30 | SemperEadem | which logs ? |
| 16:06.40 | viki_ | abrotman: Do you know, how can I tell famd to stay out of that drive? |
| 16:06.42 | _ericb | syslogs |
| 16:06.52 | SemperEadem | how to I read them ? |
| 16:07.00 | Supaplex | chmod 0 `which famd` hahahaa |
| 16:07.13 | _ericb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.19 | SemperEadem | thanks |
| 16:07.25 | _ericb | check the dates and hours of entry |
| 16:07.28 | Supaplex | !lart famd |
| 16:07.31 | kjd | is it not possible to install debian on a sata? |
| 16:07.31 | SemperEadem | yep |
| 16:07.36 | _ericb | or daemon-log |
| 16:07.55 | kjd | work around? |
| 16:07.59 | _ericb | the kernel crash silently without launching an oops ? |
| 16:08.06 | _ericb | or the computer just reboot ? |
| 16:08.13 | _ericb | it could be a psu failure too |
| 16:08.14 | thingfish | installed on my seagate sata |
| 16:08.16 | SemperEadem | just reboot |
| 16:08.23 | SemperEadem | no warning |
| 16:08.27 | viki_ | ok thanks |
| 16:08.33 | thingfish | kjd: you installing? did you use the linux26 option? |
| 16:08.37 | SemperEadem | not a hardware issue, works fine on windows |
| 16:08.45 | _ericb | ok |
| 16:08.48 | kjd | umm...no thingfish. how do i go bout that? |
| 16:08.55 | Supaplex | since when was windows a valid testing platform? ;) |
| 16:09.10 | cahoot | SemperEadem: nothing i logs/dmesg? |
| 16:09.12 | thingfish | kjd: at the prompt, right when you boot to the cd, type linux26 and hit enter. |
| 16:09.18 | SemperEadem | I'm used to cubase |
| 16:09.25 | SemperEadem | I'm reading them |
| 16:09.28 | _ericb | SemperEadem to be honest I can't really help you just give a few hints.. you didn't saw anything in syslog ? or syslog.o or syslot.1.gz |
| 16:09.37 | _ericb | or dmesg yes |
| 16:09.48 | kjd | ah |
| 16:09.53 | kjd | thanks thingfish, will try now |
| 16:09.57 | thingfish | kjd: it still may not do all the newest satas. |
| 16:10.04 | kjd | *feels 99.9% dumb* |
| 16:10.14 | kjd | define "newest" |
| 16:10.19 | thingfish | kjd: if it still doesn't work, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15. |
| 16:10.52 | kjd | what does that do? |
| 16:11.04 | kjd | downloads that package, i presume? |
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| 16:11.31 | SemperEadem | i'm gonna make my computer crash to find the line quicker :) see ya |
| 16:11.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:11.38 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:13.22 | abrotman | viki_: no idea |
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| 16:13.40 | thingfish | kjd: I guess really I mean some of the newer chipsets are not supported by sarge. There is, however, a sarge installer with the 2.6.15 kernel. Do what I told you and dpkg will tell you where to get it. |
| 16:14.01 | kjd | sure thing, thanks :) |
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| 16:16.35 | jair | petemc: hey thank you very much, I was reading about the logcheck |
| 16:16.46 | jair | petemc: and i like it a lot so far |
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| 16:17.06 | jair | petemc: I assume that if I also need to do some configuration I will be able to do it right. |
| 16:17.15 | jair | petemc: do you use any of them/ |
| 16:17.18 | jair | ? |
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| 16:17.41 | jair | petemc: do you think that i will be able to run it in a HPUX as well as in any Linux ? |
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| 16:18.28 | Noboru | deiban has a release which uses freebsd kernel ?? |
| 16:18.34 | Noboru | debian* |
| 16:18.51 | lindenle | Noboru: Debian is software not kernel |
| 16:19.04 | Avon | no |
| 16:19.07 | Noboru | I know |
| 16:19.08 | lindenle | Noboru: debian works with BSD kernel linux kernel hurd kernel .... |
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| 16:19.22 | Noboru | I see. |
| 16:19.44 | lindenle | Noburo: I even think there is an open solaris debian |
| 16:19.47 | lindenle | gnusol |
| 16:19.58 | Noboru | cool |
| 16:20.00 | thingfish | I think there is indeed a Debian GNU/freebsd or one of the other bsds. |
| 16:20.02 | lindenle | /tell Noburo about gnusol |
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| 16:20.23 | thingfish | !gnusol |
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| 16:20.46 | thingfish | doesn't seem to be a factoid for it. |
| 16:20.47 | ranpha | hi i got debian kernel 2.6.16-1 but for some reason when i connect my USB 2.0 to it won't automount..only flash disk will automount |
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| 16:21.56 | lindenle | ah ha Nexenta |
| 16:21.59 | valdyn | !confuse ranpha |
| 16:22.01 | lindenle | http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki |
| 16:22.08 | valdyn | !test |
| 16:22.08 | dpkg | Sorry, valdyn, I didn't get your test. |
| 16:22.18 | valdyn | !factinfo confuse |
| 16:22.18 | dpkg | valdyn: there's no such factoid as confuse |
| 16:23.12 | jair | valdyn: I am trying to mount or better format correctly a usb dribe (1GB) capacity to make it readabke from linux and windows. |
| 16:23.45 | ranpha | doesn't 2.6.16 support USB 2.0 disk to automount in Debian? |
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| 16:23.58 | kjd | i ran autofs, and it worked. |
| 16:23.59 | cusco | hi dudes |
| 16:24.01 | kjd | gota configure it though |
| 16:24.12 | cusco | how do I make dhclient not define new nameservers |
| 16:24.19 | trampel | !udev |
| 16:24.19 | dpkg | from memory, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 16:24.23 | cusco | so /etc/resolv.conf doesn't change? |
| 16:25.34 | _rain | cusco: probably not the best, but you could do chmod -x /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 16:25.44 | _rain | sorry, chmod -w |
| 16:25.53 | cusco | hmm |
| 16:26.01 | wwallace_lap | re |
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| 16:26.29 | wwallace_lap | hey abrotman wuz up dude? |
| 16:26.35 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 16:26.53 | abrotman | hi tarzeau |
| 16:26.55 | johnsu01 | I shouldn't really have to insert a mode line with timings to get 1280x1024 with the i810 driver out of an 855G, should I? xorg log claims that there is no mode by that name. |
| 16:26.59 | p3rti | i know that this isnt a channel for talk about another distro |
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| 16:27.02 | p3rti | but i need help. |
| 16:27.03 | p3rti | i have a little question. somebody know why when i try to copy a 4.4 GB iso to another pc on network or a usb disk mandriva says i cant and only copy 4 GB |
| 16:27.22 | wwallace_lap | go to #mandriva |
| 16:27.37 | thingfish | p3rti: we don't know about mandriva in here. maybe they changed something. |
| 16:27.37 | p3rti | they dont answer me |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | p3rti: try ##linux |
| 16:27.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: why are you not in europe |
| 16:27.47 | p3rti | thanks |
| 16:27.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: noone likes me |
| 16:28.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh sweety, you're my little sweety i like you |
| 16:28.07 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:28.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: why aren't you going to .mx ? |
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| 16:28.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: without visa? |
| 16:28.22 | abrotman | you have no visa? |
| 16:28.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope |
| 16:28.39 | zamaliphe | any one have install grub2 before |
| 16:28.42 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 16:28.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm gonna get a universal travel passport soon though (i bet this year) |
| 16:28.55 | jair | petemc: are you here? |
| 16:28.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's not the last debconf? you're there? |
| 16:29.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: good deal |
| 16:29.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: damog doesn't like me .. |
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| 16:29.14 | jair | petemc: I wonder if the utility will work also in UNIX HPUX |
| 16:29.25 | jair | petemc: because it is made to run in Debian |
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| 16:29.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha, he doesn't like me either. so? |
| 16:29.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: you gay? |
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| 16:29.41 | jair | hey guys can I install debian in a HP server |
| 16:29.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh? no |
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| 16:29.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: so why do care ? |
| 16:29.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: going for food .. bbiab |
| 16:29.52 | jair | I will be looking for the specs right now |
| 16:30.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/photos/damog@debian.org.jpg |
| 16:30.34 | wwallace_lap | i wonder why he doesnt like you |
| 16:30.58 | p3rti | ok people from debian. u can help me |
| 16:31.02 | wwallace_lap | no |
| 16:31.06 | p3rti | the problem is that one system have fat32 |
| 16:31.37 | p3rti | can i copy a 4.4 GB file from a ext3 to fat32 fs? |
| 16:31.47 | valdyn | p3rti: no |
| 16:31.48 | tralala | p3rti: ask google about fat32 max filesize |
| 16:32.00 | zamaliphe | looks like no one have install grub2 before ? |
| 16:32.00 | p3rti | a lot of thjanlks |
| 16:32.08 | wwallace_lap | np |
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| 16:33.08 | valdyn | zamaliphe: why do you care? |
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| 16:33.13 | valdyn | !popcon |
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| 16:33.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:33.18 | Nikosgr | if i know a description of an package that i want removed how do i remove it? |
| 16:33.29 | valdyn | Nikosgr: eh? |
| 16:33.42 | zamaliphe | valdyn: have you use it |
| 16:33.43 | valdyn | Nikosgr: apt-cache search 'description' |
| 16:33.50 | Nikosgr | fro example my app i wan t removed it gnome chess |
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| 16:34.01 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: and then install brutalchess ? |
| 16:34.18 | Nikosgr | is there any brutalchess? |
| 16:34.28 | Nikosgr | i just want gnoem chess removs from my system |
| 16:34.29 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: yes in debian gnu/linux, sid: http://brutalchess.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:34.34 | Nikosgr | but iam missing the packages name |
| 16:34.45 | valdyn | Nikosgr: how do you start that program? |
| 16:34.49 | Nikosgr | how do i tell apot to remove it? |
| 16:34.56 | Nikosgr | from apllication icon |
| 16:35.21 | valdyn | Nikosgr: rightclick on it and look at its properties, you might have to drag it onto the panel first to do that |
| 16:35.33 | valdyn | Nikosgr: properties should show which binary it is |
| 16:35.45 | valdyn | Nikosgr: or ls /usr/games/ and guess there |
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| 16:36.22 | StyXman | where should I add static routes besides the route to the local net and the default gateway? |
| 16:36.35 | Nikosgr | ye svaly youa re tight. if i move it to panel first the i can see its properties |
| 16:36.38 | Nikosgr | its gnome-chess |
| 16:36.40 | valdyn | StyXman: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:36.43 | Nikosgr | but from icon i coudlnt |
| 16:36.50 | Nikosgr | it didnt have properti soption |
| 16:37.03 | valdyn | Nikosgr: dpkg -S /path/to/gnome-chess |
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| 16:37.19 | StyXman | valdyn: I said *besides* |
| 16:37.23 | Nikosgr | apt-get remove gnome-chess |
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| 16:37.26 | Nikosgr | i did that isntead |
| 16:37.31 | Nikosgr | -S ? |
| 16:37.33 | valdyn | StyXman: WHY? |
| 16:37.41 | valdyn | StyXman: that is the place its meant to be |
| 16:38.00 | valdyn | StyXman: but you can add 'route add whatever' commands anywhere to confuse things |
| 16:38.07 | StyXman | valdyn: no, I mean, other static routes. |
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| 16:38.26 | Nikosgr | tarzeau, brutal chess lokks very interesting! |
| 16:38.28 | valdyn | StyXman: see my answer above |
| 16:38.54 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: it is indeed very nice |
| 16:39.17 | valdyn | StyXman: or maybe you're just confusing how ip works, i dont know |
| 16:39.29 | Nikosgr | i will try to apt-get it because i am a manica chess player :) |
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| 16:39.43 | Nikosgr | my video card is 64 mb of ram though :( |
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| 16:39.44 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: cool! if you want we can also play on fics together |
| 16:39.56 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: the current ai is not the best, even i can beat the computer |
| 16:40.00 | Nikosgr | tarzeau, sure!!! id love to |
| 16:40.00 | StyXman | valdyn: ah, sorry, now I saw the light |
| 16:40.07 | goldenaura | Where can i find a list of the fully compatible PCI- IDE card controller with Debian? |
| 16:40.08 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: which fics client do you use? |
| 16:40.13 | Nikosgr | i play in ICS and FICS as well |
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| 16:40.17 | tarzeau | goldenaura: linux documentation |
| 16:40.18 | Nikosgr | eboard |
| 16:40.19 | StyXman | valdyn: up route add -net 192.168.1.128 netmask 255.255.255.128 gw 192.168.1.2 <-- like this? |
| 16:40.41 | valdyn | StyXman: you should use /etc/network/interfaces, why arent you? |
| 16:40.49 | goldenaura | tarzeau: where is it? online? |
| 16:40.52 | Nikosgr | apt-get install brutalchess |
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| 16:40.58 | Nikosgr | E: Couldn't find package brutalchess |
| 16:40.59 | StyXman | valdyn: that goes into the interfaces file |
| 16:41.00 | tarzeau | !fics |
| 16:41.00 | dpkg | i guess fics is the Free Internet Chess Server and is at freechess.org and fics.onenet.net. |
| 16:41.08 | tarzeau | goldenaura: there |
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| 16:41.22 | StyXman | valdyn: as per /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 16:41.27 | dpm | I've downloaded the sources of a package with apt-get source and applied a patch. Can I now recompile and build the package with apt automatically? |
| 16:41.30 | valdyn | StyXman: man interfaces or read the faq |
| 16:41.35 | StyXman | valdyn: ok |
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| 16:42.22 | shingara | hi |
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| 16:43.52 | StyXman | valdyn: thanks |
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| 16:43.55 | valdyn | goldenaura: you probably want to choose one controller first and see if that is supported specifically |
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| 16:44.18 | valdyn | goldenaura: b/c these lists are a little to hard to maintain obviously |
| 16:44.30 | shingara | I have a problem with xorg 7.0 |
| 16:44.33 | shingara | the last update |
| 16:44.41 | shingara | maybe a problem with the font |
| 16:44.54 | thingfish | shingara: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
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| 16:45.09 | goldenaura | valdyn: i have a Promise onboard Fastrack100 TX2, where can i find if this is compatible or not with Debian, i try to install with linux 2.4 and linux 2.6 and i can not boot after the first install step |
| 16:45.20 | valdyn | !sata faq |
| 16:45.20 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 16:45.25 | valdyn | goldenaura: its supported |
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| 16:45.52 | Nikosgr | E: Couldn't find package brutalchess |
| 16:45.54 | goldenaura | valdyn: that promise controller is IDE |
| 16:45.55 | Nikosgr | what is sid? |
| 16:45.57 | valdyn | goldenaura: at least the sata controller is supported, i have no idea about plain ide really |
| 16:46.07 | shingara | lol thingfish, I kmow the problem with unstable |
| 16:46.11 | shingara | and I test |
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| 16:46.39 | shingara | I have already modify My xorg.conf with a last update |
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| 16:47.01 | goldenaura | valdyn: but what is strange, is that i dont want to use the hardware raid, i want to do it by software raid, but i can not boot. I can install everything perfectly, and the installer can see the hds perfectly, but when rebooting it ask me for a system disk |
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| 16:47.27 | valdyn | goldenaura: it has no hardware raid |
| 16:47.39 | goldenaura | valdyn: i just want to use that promise controller as a plain IDE controler, no need for RAID |
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| 16:48.05 | goldenaura | valdyn: yes, the Promise FastTrack100 TX2 does RAID |
| 16:48.22 | valdyn | goldenaura: it has no hardware raid, your issue sounds like you need to tell your controller's bios or your bios what to boot from, not linux |
| 16:48.29 | valdyn | goldenaura: it DOESNT do hardware raid |
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| 16:49.21 | goldenaura | valdyn: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=RAID%20HBAs&product_id=8 |
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| 16:50.03 | dpm | I've downloaded the sources of a package with apt-get source and applied a patch. Can I now recompile and build the package with apt automatically? (I can't find any descriptionway on how to do that on the apt how-to) |
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| 16:50.44 | goldenaura | valdyn: i have tried all possibilities in the BIOS, but it always gives me the same message, it is very strange... that message pops before the grub start, i cant even see the grub |
| 16:50.52 | valdyn | goldenaura: ok, you seem to be right |
| 16:50.56 | darkskiez | dpm: um not sure about the effect of the patching, but try ,try dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:51.16 | valdyn | goldenaura: i understand that is still a bios issue |
| 16:52.04 | dpm | darkskiez, but that won't compile the sources, will it? That will only build the debian package, if I understood it correctly. |
| 16:52.25 | goldenaura | valdyn: the Fasttrack bios starts searching for ide devices, and then starts searching for arrays, because it can not find any array it gives me that message |
| 16:52.33 | darkskiez | dpm, try it |
| 16:52.37 | goldenaura | valdyn: i have tried to consult Promise support but it was useless |
| 16:53.09 | valdyn | goldenaura: i dont know this bios, but that is what you need to change settings at anyway |
| 16:53.26 | goldenaura | valdyn: ok, thanks valdyn |
| 16:53.32 | dpm | darkskiez, thanks for the advice, but I'd rather understand what I'm doing before executing it |
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| 16:53.41 | valdyn | goldenaura: once grub loads you could have linux issues, just not yet |
| 16:53.55 | goldenaura | valdyn: yep |
| 16:54.39 | shingara | I find with the wiki |
| 16:54.45 | shingara | thank to you |
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| 16:55.31 | valdyn | dpm: building a debian package implies that your compile the source |
| 16:56.26 | dpm | valdyn, thanks, I didn't quite get that after reading the man page. Now I understand it. |
| 16:56.32 | valdyn | dpm: however debian adds to upstream the diff.gz that you should have aswell run executes 'debian/rules binary', you can do that manually |
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| 16:58.23 | offle | hi, newbie question...: how can i run an automatic hardware detection? debian doesn't detect my 2nd network device... but the card is ok. i tested on another computer and its a raltek8... (100% supported)?!? |
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| 16:59.18 | offle | realtek8139 |
| 16:59.32 | gnufa1 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365960 |
| 16:59.39 | dondelelcaro | offle: just load the appropriate module, and then you can see the device in ifconfig -a;a |
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| 16:59.50 | dondelelcaro | offle: indeed, it may already be there already, just not configured. |
| 16:59.55 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 365960 |
| 16:59.58 | dpkg | DONE:#365960:I[firefox] firefox: Remote functionality broken in latest version; Thu, 4 May 2006 01:48:02 UTC |
| 17:00.33 | dpm | valdyn, but if I understood it correctly, the diff was already applied after doing apt-get source, wasn't it? So after applying my own patch I should only run dpkg-buildpackage, shouldn't I? |
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| 17:00.47 | dondelelcaro | dpm: you need to change debian/changelog as well. |
| 17:00.57 | gnufa1 | Oops -- I was going to vent my frustration... we need better test cases but I'm not volunteering to write them....maybe Mozilla already have some tests we could reuse?! |
| 17:01.14 | offle | dondel: and how can i configure it (sry, but i'm a bloody noob) |
| 17:01.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell offle -about interfaces |
| 17:01.41 | offle | k, thank you |
| 17:01.42 | dpm | dondelelcaro, I'm just testing something locally, can't I not leave that out? I'm not intending to upload the package or anything, I'm not a DD |
| 17:01.45 | dondelelcaro | dpm: then you can just fakeroot debian/rules binary; or use dpkg-buildpackage if you want. |
| 17:02.07 | dondelelcaro | dpm: you should always change the version; otherwise it'll become very difficult to know which package you've got installed. |
| 17:02.27 | _Atomo64_ | Hey, I tried to boot my pc as normally, but after kdm started and I tried to login, my PC frozen, then I tried to switch to an other console but it didn't do it immediately, when it finally switched to the console, I tried to come back to KDE, and then I saw a msg telling me that the sound server didn't start because the PC was overloaded (dunno why, this is the first time it happened). And then it frozen again, so I had to reboot, and the same thing happen |
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| 17:03.07 | dpm | dondelelcaro, where do I change the version, then? In debian/rules? |
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| 17:03.36 | dondelelcaro | dpm: no, in debian/changelog |
| 17:03.42 | dpm | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 17:03.43 | dondelelcaro | dpm: you could also just dch -i |
| 17:03.43 | chealer | _Atomo64_: your message is truncated at "same thing happe" |
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| 17:04.00 | _Atomo64_ | ...same thing happened. Now I tried by using an other kernel (the 2.6.15-1 debian pack one) and it booted normally excepting that not KNotify asked me if I wanted to start or not the sound server. Anyone has any ideas about why this is happening? |
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| 17:04.37 | absence | hi, does anyone know how to get graphical console (with penguin in the corner during boot and stuff) with the stock debian kernel? |
| 17:04.57 | dpm | dondelelcaro, last question: what's easiest in this case, just to run fakeroot debian/rules binary instead of dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 17:05.03 | chealer | _Atomo64_: well, what kernel do you use? |
| 17:05.13 | dondelelcaro | absence: that's just framebuffer, it's not a graphical console. |
| 17:05.15 | _Atomo64_ | I have been using a compiled kernel with just a few changes in the config (for example, changing the security option to be able to use the LSM) |
| 17:05.24 | _Atomo64_ | but it is the 2.6.15 |
| 17:05.46 | dondelelcaro | dpm: just using fakeroot; if you're not going to actually upload the package or need a source package, you don't need to run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:05.49 | absence | dondelelcaro, well, it's graphics mode rather than text mode, is what i meant |
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| 17:06.15 | dpm | dondelelcaro, ok, I'm gonna try that now. Thanks a lot |
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| 17:07.03 | absence | dondelelcaro, i'd like to use 1280x1024 instead of 80x25, as it's too big and looks horrible on lcd |
| 17:07.38 | dondelelcaro | absence: your console has nothing to do with the vga text mode that you pick. |
| 17:07.40 | _Atomo64_ | chealer: I have been using a compiled kernel with just a few changes in the config (for example, changing the security option to be able to use the LSM). But the source is from the kernel-source package; of the 2.6.15 linux kernel |
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| 17:07.41 | jair | guys Ifinally get my usb 1GB works in debian |
| 17:07.53 | dondelelcaro | absence: if you want a different vga mode, use vga=ask or similar to select one that's appropriate for your LCD. |
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| 17:08.11 | absence | dondelelcaro, vga=ask just shows a couple of text modes |
| 17:08.16 | chealer | _Atomo64_: yes, I saw |
| 17:08.18 | jair | all i needed to do is format it in windows as FAT and the mouted using instead sda1 just sda. |
| 17:08.44 | absence | dondelelcaro, 80x60 is max |
| 17:08.50 | Noboru | bye |
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| 17:09.12 | dondelelcaro | absence: 80x60 isn't the maximum. Everything that you're going to see is text modes, because you're looking at a text console. |
| 17:09.42 | offle | dondelelcaro or dpkg: where can i see the unconfigured new devices? i'm using gnome |
| 17:09.49 | Pakistan4Life | Hi |
| 17:10.01 | Pakistan4Life | Bye4Ever |
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| 17:10.27 | absence | dondelelcaro, it's the maximum on the list given by vga=ask at any rate :) any idea how i can get higher resolutions? |
| 17:10.44 | beemer | Hi first time i'm here |
| 17:11.04 | dondelelcaro | absence: just pick the vga text mode that is appropriate for your monitor. If you want to use the framebuffer, load that module into your initrd. |
| 17:11.09 | Nikosgr | root@dell:~# /usr/games/brutalchess |
| 17:11.10 | Nikosgr | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 17:11.10 | Nikosgr | Video mode set failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
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| 17:11.24 | Nikosgr | how do i install glx? |
| 17:11.31 | Nikosgr | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 17:11.36 | chealer | !tell Nikosgr about ngd |
| 17:11.46 | enyc | !tell enyc about ngd |
| 17:11.53 | Nikosgr | i already apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 17:12.03 | dondelelcaro | Nikosgr: please don't paste here; you need to load the glx module in your X configuration by using dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 17:12.05 | Eulex | Nikosgr, that means that you haven't got any 3d acceleration |
| 17:12.13 | chealer | !tell enyc about selftell |
| 17:12.25 | Nikosgr | so now how cna i run brutalchess? |
| 17:12.30 | wsjunior | !tell wsjunior about ngd |
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| 17:12.37 | absence | dondelelcaro, what module is that? it seems i need vesa for nvidia, but there's no vesafb in debian |
| 17:12.38 | dondelelcaro | wsjunior: /msg the bot instead, please. |
| 17:12.52 | chealer | Nikosgr: you need to fix the issues with your 3D acceleration |
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| 17:12.59 | wsjunior | dondelelcaro: k |
| 17:13.00 | Nikosgr | chealer, yes plese but how? |
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| 17:13.17 | Eulex | Nikosgr, /msg dpkg ngd |
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| 17:13.22 | phreaticx | Hello. Anyone got a moment to help me with a question about installing debian on a dualcore? |
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| 17:13.31 | chealer | Nikosgr: try figuring out why you get the errors you pasted above |
| 17:13.36 | offle | plz help. where can i see unconfigured hardware a configure it? |
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| 17:13.47 | Nikosgr | i dont knwo i instalels nvida-glx drivers |
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| 17:13.56 | Nikosgr | dotn know what it cant open glx |
| 17:14.16 | kimo | Any guru know of a trick to make /dev/dsp accessible from remote machine as it's /dev/tcp? (I tried NFS sharing it!) |
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| 17:14.40 | kwame | who is going to DebConf? |
| 17:14.48 | dondelelcaro | absence: it depends on the kernel, and whether it's got CONFIG_FB=y. |
| 17:14.50 | dondelelcaro | kwame: I am... |
| 17:14.59 | kwame | dondelelcaro: where are you from? |
| 17:15.08 | Nikosgr | sorry i dotn knwo what to do |
| 17:15.10 | dondelelcaro | kwame: here. |
| 17:15.19 | kwame | dondelelcaro: where? Morelos? |
| 17:15.25 | absence | dondelelcaro, it's linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
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| 17:15.46 | dondelelcaro | absence: lets back up though; why exactly do you care what resolution the console is at? Aren't you using X? |
| 17:15.58 | beemer | What "konverter" should I use for debian sarge 2.6.15 and KDE 3.5 ? |
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| 17:16.23 | _ericb | is there any applications that does memory scrubbling, or do the kernel do this automatically ? |
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| 17:16.35 | absence | dondelelcaro, not always, or i wouldn't be asking ;) |
| 17:16.58 | dondelelcaro | absence: well, you'll have to either specify a video= option on boot to get FB to be enabled, or recompile the kernel to use FB. |
| 17:16.59 | SemperEadem | Hi, Ive got a huge problem while recording music on rosegarden, the computer reboot itself and there is nothing in /etc/var/syslog |
| 17:17.13 | SemperEadem | I am under 2.6, realtime as a module |
| 17:17.20 | absence | dondelelcaro, video=vesa then? |
| 17:17.22 | SemperEadem | and I am using jack |
| 17:17.23 | dondelelcaro | absence: otherwise, find a vga mode that works with your display; there are lots of super7 modes that should work reasonably. |
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| 17:18.11 | _Atomo64_ | so anyone? |
| 17:18.17 | nixie | sempere:what does rosegarden do, wav harddisk recording? or midi? or? |
| 17:18.26 | beemer | I wan't to convert video files to archos pma 430 in linux / debian how to ??? |
| 17:18.30 | absence | dondelelcaro, super7? |
| 17:18.35 | dondelelcaro | absence: no. read Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 17:18.35 | SemperEadem | this time, it was just playing midi notes for the metronome |
| 17:18.38 | chealer | beemer: there's no such thing as debian sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 17:19.07 | nixie | SemperEadem: what were you trying to record? |
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| 17:19.19 | amee2k | when i run unison with "-ignore media", will this ignore all files named "media", or all files whose filename includes "media"? |
| 17:19.27 | SemperEadem | actually I wasn't trying to record sorry |
| 17:19.44 | SemperEadem | just playing with the metronome on |
| 17:20.00 | absence | dondelelcaro, ok, video=vesafb, thanks. what's this super7 stuff though? |
| 17:20.07 | SemperEadem | At firt I thought that this was only when I was recording but not this time |
| 17:20.40 | SemperEadem | it crashed after 2 minutes of playing |
| 17:20.46 | nixie | SemperEadem: is your hardware stable? |
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| 17:20.55 | tarzeau | where do i get mkninstalldirs from? |
| 17:20.59 | Baeaeken | what architecture am i to use having an amd athlon 64, but want to run it in 32 bit? |
| 17:21.02 | SemperEadem | I'm used to cubase on windows without crashes |
| 17:21.07 | pipeline | How can I get Xnest to have xkb extensions? |
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| 17:21.11 | beemer | Ok I dont know so much but I try to learn |
| 17:21.51 | nixie | SemperEadem: if its the same machine, then its most likely misconfigured. try to isolate the problem; whether its audio related or midi related |
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| 17:22.47 | dondelelcaro | absence: see Documentation/svga.txt |
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| 17:23.05 | SemperEadem | it's not only midi cause one it has crashed without using midi |
| 17:23.09 | SemperEadem | once |
| 17:23.22 | jair | guys should I have the usb drive formated in Fat32 or FAT if the capacity is 1GB? |
| 17:23.32 | SemperEadem | actually it has allready crashed when midi wasn't installed |
| 17:23.40 | jair | the file system also help the usb drive transfer data faster? |
| 17:23.48 | jair | or it does not matter at all. |
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| 17:24.10 | geekboi | Is there a utility for debian that can uncompress/extract Alcohol 120% (.mdf) files? |
| 17:24.19 | jair | I format it as FAT right now and I can mount it in the Linux sarge and also in windows xp pro |
| 17:24.21 | dondelelcaro | jair: unless your machine is really slow, usb is so much slower that it doesn't make a difference. |
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| 17:24.38 | absence | dondelelcaro, it's about the vga=ask stuff, which shows max 80x60 as mentioned. i'll try vesa then |
| 17:24.46 | jair | dondelelcaro: not the machines I am using are pretty fast |
| 17:25.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i got a strange error from dpkg earlier |
| 17:25.08 | jair | dondelelcaro: so i do not know if I should format it as FAT32 instead FAT |
| 17:25.09 | SemperEadem | it seems to be when I use jack and realtime cause when I tested tuxracer with sound and everything, the computer didn't crash |
| 17:25.13 | dondelelcaro | absence: yes, and also super7, which is what you asked about... which does 132x70 and a few other interesting text modes |
| 17:25.22 | dondelelcaro | jair: doesn't really make a difference |
| 17:25.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: though it seems ok now .. but i got "<dpkg> FIXME: files/debian/Packages-sid-main-i386.gz does not exist?" |
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| 17:25.31 | jair | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 17:25.46 | SemperEadem | has anoyone experienced realtime and audio recording ? |
| 17:26.05 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: hrm... yeah, that whole bit is totally busted |
| 17:26.15 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 17:26.36 | absence | dondelelcaro, ah sorry, it was called video7 so i didn't find it at once. they don't work here though |
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| 17:27.08 | jair | dondelelcaro: abrotman are you guys familiar with any utility that can go trough the log files (security, performace, etc..) and scan for keyboards like "login fail" something like that that automatically can alert the system administrator.? |
| 17:27.09 | amee2k | maybe you could create a compressed loop device on the USB stick but 'overloading' the stick this way may be dangerous when it doesn't compress well and the sick becomes too small |
| 17:27.28 | SemperEadem | up: Computer rebooting without warning while recording audio under rosegarden with jack and realtime module |
| 17:27.45 | amee2k | but that's about the only way i can think of to make it faster. |
| 17:28.04 | dondelelcaro | jair: I'd actually use fail2ban for that |
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| 17:28.13 | jair | dondelelcaro: abrotman and what i am trying to find is a security fails like hackers or people trying to lofg in to the system. |
| 17:28.42 | jair | dondelelcaro: because I found one call logcheck wich is the closest I found to what i need. |
| 17:28.48 | SemperEadem | Is there's somewhere else than /etc/var/syslog to look to find problems ? |
| 17:28.53 | jair | dondelelcaro: and I need it to Linux and Unix |
| 17:29.02 | amee2k | jair: a cronjob and grep would be the easiest way i think |
| 17:29.18 | abrotman | jair: what kind of authentication? |
| 17:29.52 | amee2k | you can have the script send the suspisious log via biabam to any email account you use for security/administration |
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| 17:30.12 | jair | amee2k: yes that sounds also good but I am just learning how to use cron and rsync ssh and grep so they look kind of interesting all of them but I will need to send alerts automatically to the admin by email or something else. |
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| 17:31.07 | jair | abrotman: authentication like log ins, or attacks, but the thing is have alerts for certain "keywords" so the administrator does not need to review the whole log file. |
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| 17:31.20 | abrotman | jair: like ssh or HTTP or ftp or what? |
| 17:31.29 | j4cbo | is there a way to force the parallel port device to stay registered? |
| 17:31.43 | abrotman | you mean the module always load ? |
| 17:31.50 | amee2k | jair: man grep, man 5 crontab, and search the repo for a thing called 'biabam' |
| 17:31.52 | Funkmaster | looking for camserv like application, which can take a video source and provide a LIVE feed on a website, got any suggestions? please pm me, thx in advance |
| 17:31.54 | jair | abrotman: yes |
| 17:32.14 | j4cbo | whatever causes the "ppdev0: unregistered pardevice" / "ppdev0: registered pardevice" |
| 17:32.15 | jair | amee2k: I will check that ;) |
| 17:32.33 | j4cbo | i have a microcontroller programmer connected to it, and a few minutes after acessing it, the port shuts down |
| 17:32.37 | j4cbo | which messes things up |
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| 17:33.04 | abrotman | jair: i was looking for a specific one of those |
| 17:33.08 | jair | amee2k: i will check that |
| 17:33.19 | jair | abrotman: I found logcheck |
| 17:33.30 | jair | abrotman: haven't use it yet |
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| 17:34.30 | LinuxNIT | any ideas on why wifi and lan cards would switch device name on different boots? and or how to fix them to one or the other (swaping between eth1 and eth0) |
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| 17:34.35 | hardfalcon | hi guys |
| 17:34.58 | hardfalcon | could anyone help me configuring my kernel? |
| 17:35.05 | _Atomo64_ | so, anyone can help me please?! now konqueror just crashes... |
| 17:35.08 | hardfalcon | everithing works so far |
| 17:35.15 | hardfalcon | just the ethernet card soesnt |
| 17:35.19 | jair | so i will be probably testing logcheck and the crontab and other utilities |
| 17:35.20 | hardfalcon | -s+d |
| 17:35.38 | jair | amee2k: are you very familiar with crontab? |
| 17:35.42 | hardfalcon | no |
| 17:35.47 | hardfalcon | unfortunately not |
| 17:35.59 | jair | i am starting learning how to use it better together with rsync and ssh |
| 17:36.28 | hardfalcon | well |
| 17:36.31 | hardfalcon | anyway... |
| 17:36.46 | hardfalcon | i've integrated the correspondent driver into the kernel |
| 17:37.10 | hardfalcon | not as a modul, but compiled into the kernel |
| 17:37.30 | amee2k | jair: i know the basics. once set up crontab usually requires only minimal attention |
| 17:37.41 | hardfalcon | the problem i have now that DHCP doesnt work |
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| 17:37.53 | hardfalcon | although DHCP is integrated in my kernel |
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| 17:38.01 | abrotman | !dhcp |
| 17:38.01 | dpkg | hmm... dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 17:38.02 | Tassium | DHCP is not integrated into your kernel |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | bah |
| 17:38.05 | hardfalcon | and it's activated in my network |
| 17:38.12 | abrotman | hardfalcon: why have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 17:38.22 | hardfalcon | well |
| 17:38.38 | hardfalcon | i wanted a kernel without the whole stuff i don't need |
| 17:38.44 | hardfalcon | as fast as possible |
| 17:39.00 | Tassium | Also, there is a big difference between your network card not working and DHCP not working. Try to be more specific, and tell us exactly what isn't working. What you tried, what you expected, and what you got. |
| 17:39.06 | hardfalcon | and a kernel where I don't have to worry about any modules |
| 17:39.18 | EmleyMoor | hardfalcon: did you enable socket filtering? |
| 17:39.32 | pr3d | hello, i have a new asus motherboard P5LD2 SE with sata drives attached to it, i want to install debian by using "linux26" boot option to enable sata support. but my drives arent recognized by the installation. is there any way to obtain support for that board? |
| 17:39.33 | hardfalcon | the point is that my networkcard is found by lspci |
| 17:39.38 | hardfalcon | it's listed by ifconfig |
| 17:39.46 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 17:39.46 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 17:39.49 | jair | amee2k: I was using a software call dirvish, and it combines cron, ssh amd rsync very interesting application very nice. and I was wroking little bit with cron. |
| 17:39.50 | hardfalcon | but i can't set any routes for it |
| 17:39.51 | valdyn | pr3d: ^^^ maybe |
| 17:40.03 | hardfalcon | it seems to send dhcp-requests |
| 17:40.09 | *** part/#debian j4cbo (n=jacob@pool-70-22-183-107.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:40.12 | hardfalcon | but doesn't find anything in my network |
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| 17:40.30 | ThetaWave | Hey guys |
| 17:40.32 | hardfalcon | if I ping anything else than my own box, it loses all packets |
| 17:40.42 | valdyn | hardfalcon: run 'dhclient eth0' and see what happens |
| 17:41.00 | Tassium | hardfalcon: If you're trying to get your IP via DHCP and that is failing, of course you can't set routes. Are you trying to set your linux box up as a DHCP server or as a client? |
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| 17:41.16 | hardfalcon | as a client |
| 17:41.24 | pr3d | valdyn : :-/ maybe? |
| 17:41.33 | ThetaWave | I'm wondering how to get xsh installed under Debian. |
| 17:41.35 | tarzeau | !seen mstone |
| 17:41.35 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mstone', tarzeau |
| 17:41.35 | hardfalcon | just as a normal desktop computer which connects to the internet using my router |
| 17:41.37 | Tassium | hardfalcon: Did you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:41.42 | hardfalcon | no |
| 17:41.55 | hardfalcon | the funny thing is |
| 17:41.59 | hardfalcon | with the older kernel |
| 17:42.05 | hardfalcon | which is originally included withdebian |
| 17:42.07 | hardfalcon | it works |
| 17:42.10 | valdyn | pr3d: yes, 'maybe'. I dont know your device |
| 17:42.13 | hardfalcon | but as soon as i want to use mine |
| 17:42.15 | hardfalcon | it doesnt |
| 17:42.21 | hardfalcon | well |
| 17:42.23 | Tassium | Ah, then you left out some networking support |
| 17:42.25 | ThetaWave | Where would I look for unofficial packages for debian? |
| 17:42.31 | hardfalcon | ill try dhclient eth1 |
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| 17:42.44 | valdyn | ThetaWave: eh? looking for what exactly? |
| 17:42.47 | abrotman | hardfalcon: if you don't know how to configure a kernel .. use the one debian provides you |
| 17:42.55 | Tassium | ThetaWave: backports.org has some. Depends what you're looking for, doesn't it? |
| 17:42.55 | ThetaWave | valdyn: Looking for xsh |
| 17:43.08 | ThetaWave | Tassium: xsh |
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| 17:43.19 | hardfalcon | @abrotman: how to learn making my own kernel when i never do it? |
| 17:43.20 | valdyn | ThetaWave: google 'xsh debian package' |
| 17:43.32 | ThetaWave | valdyn: I did that |
| 17:43.37 | Ts0p | i've just installed debian stable on a desktop box, but i get an error message that it can't start the Xserver |
| 17:43.42 | pr3d | valdyn: asus p5ld2 se ? |
| 17:43.45 | abrotman | hardfalcon: ok .. then ask #kernel .. debian gives you kernels that work .. #kernel will help you make broken ones :) |
| 17:43.53 | valdyn | pr3d: i dont know it |
| 17:43.56 | hardfalcon | tsop: configure your xorg.config |
| 17:44.06 | pr3d | valdyn : ah, sry |
| 17:44.10 | valdyn | pr3d: read what dpkg said |
| 17:44.11 | hardfalcon | @abrotman: thx |
| 17:44.18 | hardfalcon | btw |
| 17:44.24 | abrotman | if only i had an @ :) |
| 17:44.27 | Ts0p | hardfalcon it tried and btw i'm using 2.4.27.2-386 |
| 17:44.35 | hardfalcon | what tool does the debian setup use to detect the networkcards? |
| 17:44.35 | abrotman | !tell hardfalcon about kp |
| 17:44.41 | _rain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.25 | _rain | or XFree86.log if u use xfree86 |
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| 17:45.46 | abrotman | XFree86.0.log |
| 17:46.15 | Ts0p | _rain:ok it's Xfreww86 ....what am i looking for inside that file |
| 17:46.23 | fusch | i have a question concering gnuplot: how can a plot the angle of the direction in a polar plot? |
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| 17:46.50 | _rain | Ts0p: any lines that start with (EE) |
| 17:46.51 | ThetaWave | valdyn and Tassium: how does a package get into the debian package lifecycle? |
| 17:47.22 | Tassium | ThetaWave: debian.org has a whole bunch of developer documents that describe what you have to do to add a package to the official repository |
| 17:47.25 | ThetaWave | valdyn and Tassium: Xsh has been around for at least a year |
| 17:48.08 | ThetaWave | Tassium: so it's just people like me who build the packages? I thought there was a team who built and tested thoroughly |
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| 17:48.15 | _rain | Ts0p: actually, for that matter `grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log` mey be a better idea |
| 17:48.37 | Ts0p | _rain:(EE) Scree(s) found, but none have a usable configuration Fatal error no screen found |
| 17:48.53 | abrotman | Ts0p: paste your whole log somewhere |
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| 17:48.55 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:48.55 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:48.57 | hardfalcon | do u have an nvidia card? |
| 17:49.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:49.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:49.05 | hardfalcon | if yes, first install the nvidia-driver... |
| 17:49.10 | hardfalcon | then it should work... |
| 17:49.25 | abrotman | he doesn't need the nvidia driver to have X work |
| 17:49.38 | hardfalcon | normally not |
| 17:49.48 | Shadowcat | actually you don't need the nvidia driver unless you plan on running linux quake3 anytime soon |
| 17:49.55 | hardfalcon | but i have had the problems sometimes that nv didnt work... |
| 17:49.56 | Shadowcat | for normal 2d stuff it just isn't required |
| 17:50.01 | hardfalcon | neither with FB neither without |
| 17:50.12 | Tassium | Shadowcat: I wonder if WINE can take advantage of it |
| 17:50.18 | jair | my firefox hang and does not want to respond if I kill the process I will have to look for all the tab I had already there. It is anything I can do to save them? |
| 17:50.19 | abrotman | ask #winehq ? |
| 17:50.19 | Shadowcat | if the card's older than a 7xxx |
| 17:50.21 | Shadowcat | nv will work |
| 17:50.48 | Tassium | abrotman: More idle curiousity than a burning desire for knowledge. |
| 17:50.48 | hardfalcon | also with tfts? |
| 17:50.49 | Ts0p | hackeron so what shall i do , please help me |
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| 17:51.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: sweety are you ok? |
| 17:51.04 | abrotman | eh? |
| 17:51.09 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: ok that's just sick |
| 17:51.13 | abrotman | Tassium: that's why i said to ask #winehq :) |
| 17:51.34 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: 18:22 < abrotman> tarzeau: noone likes me |
| 17:51.41 | tarzeau | 18:22 < tarzeau> abrotman: oh sweety, you're my little sweety i like you |
| 17:51.44 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: then. no answer |
| 17:51.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: hehe |
| 17:51.54 | Ts0p | i also get the vesa no matching modes |
| 17:51.55 | abrotman | i went to eat |
| 17:52.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: never read your backlog? |
| 17:53.23 | jair | if the application hangs it is nothing I can do right? |
| 17:53.24 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: no, he has a life, like the rest of us (TM) |
| 17:53.27 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 17:53.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: i saw damog's picture .. what about it ? |
| 17:53.39 | jair | I have to kill the process in order to use firefox again? |
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| 17:54.01 | Shadowcat | jair: just type pkill firefox and get it over with |
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| 17:54.40 | _rain | Ts0p: do me a favour and joind #flood? |
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| 18:00.29 | Shadowcat | !info sextractor |
| 18:01.09 | dpkg | sextractor: (source extractor for astronomical images), section science, is extra. Version: 2.4.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1115 kB, Installed size: 1668 kB |
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| 18:01.37 | Shadowcat | ya, that name needs to change |
| 18:04.53 | Alam_Debian | how do I change a disk's volume id? |
| 18:04.54 | warreng | how can i add a virtual package? |
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| 18:05.07 | warreng | like a package that doesn't do anything but meet a dependency of another package |
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| 18:05.13 | hardfalcon | alam_debian: cfdisk? |
| 18:05.19 | warreng | (the package in question is provided, but under a different name |
| 18:05.20 | hardfalcon | alam_debian: or qtparted? |
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| 18:06.08 | Tassium | warreng: I'm not sure what you're trying to ask, can you try another way? |
| 18:06.53 | warreng | sure... |
| 18:06.57 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 18:06.57 | dpkg | hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 18:06.59 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 18:07.29 | warreng | Tassium: i backported subversion from sid to testing... and then i installed that on my ubuntu machine... |
| 18:07.34 | warreng | subversion itself works fine.. |
| 18:07.39 | warreng | and everything works fine |
| 18:07.47 | warreng | except dpkg thinks subversion's dependencies aren't resolved |
| 18:08.09 | warreng | because subversion Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu15 is to be installed |
| 18:08.16 | warreng | 2.3.6-6 vs. 2.3.6-0ubuntu15 |
| 18:08.26 | dondelelcaro | warreng: uh... you're not using Debian then. |
| 18:08.28 | warreng | so i want to create a "virtual package" that says it's 2.3.6-6 |
| 18:08.50 | warreng | dondelelcaro: ya but people in #ubuntu are idiots... and it's all related :) |
| 18:08.56 | Eulex | warreng, (1) you can't (2) #ubuntu |
| 18:09.03 | MrBallZ | question: The HDD where I have sarge installed is starting to fail, I want to save or copy or clone, the /home partition to another hard drive, to make a new install and have the /home in a separate drive, is this as easy as copying the whole /home folder onto another hdd ? |
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| 18:09.44 | tralala | warreng: in debian you would use equivs as abrotman said. You could try that in ubuntu too, but don't blame us if you break your system |
| 18:09.46 | Tassium | MrBallZ: Yeah. Make sure to use the proper switches to preserve the metadata. |
| 18:09.51 | warreng | Eulex: sure i can... and let's just pretend i asked the question the other way.... "i have an ubuntu package i installed on debian... but the ubuntu package requires libc-2.3.6-0ubuntu15" and my debian install has "2.3.6-6" |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | warreng: you need to fix that .. don't do that with equivs .. and go to #ubuntu |
| 18:10.12 | warreng | ahh.. didn't even see the !equivs |
| 18:10.13 | Eulex | warreng, we'd tell you to use the debian package. |
| 18:10.15 | warreng | that's exactly what i want |
| 18:10.22 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 18:10.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 18:10.26 | abrotman | warreng: that is NOT what you want |
| 18:10.33 | abrotman | you need to fix it |
| 18:10.47 | warreng | abrotman: why? the svn binaries work perfectly |
| 18:10.49 | Shadowcat | he needs to learn how to package debian files |
| 18:11.04 | abrotman | he needs to learn how to type '/join #ubuntu' |
| 18:11.12 | Shadowcat | that too |
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| 18:11.20 | dondelelcaro | warreng: if you want to use a backport of svn, use the Debian backports on backports.org, not some random ubuntu packag.e |
| 18:11.20 | warreng | equivs are exactly what i want... thank you everybody |
| 18:11.24 | Shadowcat | if you want to port a deb to ubuntu then for crying out loud do it properly |
| 18:11.31 | dondelelcaro | and no, equivs are not the right tool for this job. |
| 18:11.52 | myboxen | anyone have a document or website I can read on configuring .xsession-errors |
| 18:11.55 | dondelelcaro | as you can't have two libc6 packages installed with different versions. |
| 18:12.03 | jelly | warreng: a binary which depends on an exact version of libc6 (and not >= some_version) is not something to be taken lightly. |
| 18:12.03 | myboxen | like length of file etc... |
| 18:12.09 | warreng | dondelelcaro: they're the same version |
| 18:12.13 | dondelelcaro | warreng: no, they're not. |
| 18:12.27 | Shadowcat | ubuntu's libc6 is NOT the same as debian's libc6 |
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| 18:12.31 | warreng | 2.3.6-6 vs. 2.3.6-0ubuntu15 |
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| 18:12.33 | warreng | they're both 2.3.6 |
| 18:12.36 | dondelelcaro | libc6-2.3.6-0ubuntu15 !=2.3.6-6 |
| 18:12.39 | warreng | and all the binaries work perfectly |
| 18:12.55 | dondelelcaro | warreng: you've just given the reason why they're not the same. Equivs won't solve your problem. |
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| 18:13.14 | warreng | my *only* problem is dpkg is preventing other things from being installed because it thinks subversion isn't installed correctly |
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| 18:13.21 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: let him screw it up, it's not debian he's installing it on anyway |
| 18:13.29 | Nikosgr | hey whete is the brutalchess guy |
| 18:13.29 | Shadowcat | so it's not our problem |
| 18:13.30 | dondelelcaro | warreng: because it isn't. If you want a newer version, use the version of subversion from backports.org |
| 18:13.44 | Tassium | Or compile from source |
| 18:13.52 | warreng | the version i wan't isn't on backports |
| 18:13.52 | dondelelcaro | don't compile from source either. |
| 18:13.57 | warreng | i did a simple sid backport |
| 18:13.58 | Tassium | (If you're a masochist, anyway) |
| 18:13.58 | dondelelcaro | warreng: what version do you want? |
| 18:13.59 | warreng | that worked perfectly |
| 18:14.02 | warreng | 1.3.1 |
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| 18:14.35 | dondelelcaro | warreng: you're running ubuntu if you did a simple sid backport and got that dependency, not Debian. |
| 18:14.35 | Eulex | warreng, you managed to backport to sarge. then why can't you manage to backport to whatever ubuntu release you |
| 18:14.40 | Eulex | 're running? |
| 18:15.01 | dondelelcaro | since Debian doesn't have that libc6, and wouldn't have a shlibdep that generated that dependency. |
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| 18:16.21 | Nikosgr | hey where is the brutalchess guy |
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| 18:17.28 | tralala | !repeat |
| 18:17.29 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:17.31 | Eulex | !maint brutalchess |
| 18:17.33 | dpkg | brutalchess: GÞrkan SengÞn <gurkan@linuks.mine.nu> |
| 18:17.38 | MrBallZ | Tassium: hi, so I can just attach another hdd , copy the /home folder, and just preserve the permisions and that's it ? |
| 18:17.58 | Eulex | Nikosgr, his nick is 'tarzeau' |
| 18:18.07 | bingo | hi, please do you know how to start a gtk-based application from a chroot in my current x-server |
| 18:18.08 | Nikosgr | a yes! thank you Eulex :) |
| 18:18.29 | Tassium | MrBallZ: Yeah, although once you do that you should take out the failing drive and update your /etc/fstab appropriately |
| 18:19.00 | valdyn | bingo: bind mount /home into your chroot |
| 18:19.08 | callee | i have a serial console for my server and i can see grub then some bootmessages and then there is a part missing any output on serial and finally i can see the login screen on serial console? |
| 18:19.25 | callee | how can i also get displayed the "missing" part in the middle of the boot-process |
| 18:19.46 | tralala | bingo: check the amd64 howto. It has a good explanation of how to run applications in chroot. It should work even if you're not running amd64 |
| 18:19.56 | valdyn | !bootlogd |
| 18:19.56 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 18:19.58 | MrBallZ | Tassium: actually I'll copy the /home to another drive, and make a new install of the whole system, and used the drive with /home as the /home partition , it's that easy right ? |
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| 18:20.39 | bingo | valdyn, tralala thank you :-) |
| 18:20.45 | callee | valdyn: was that for me? |
| 18:21.01 | Nikosgr | tarzeau, do i also need this? nimbleknight.tar.gz |
| 18:21.04 | Tassium | MrBallZ: If you say so - personally I find doing a complete reinstall of the system just to move a partition from one drive to another to be overkill.. |
| 18:21.07 | valdyn | callee: yep |
| 18:21.08 | callee | i do not need logfiles, just the stuff displayed on serial |
| 18:21.11 | MatBoy | Is is possible to search in a "man programname" ? |
| 18:21.18 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: i've tested it, no extra themes in there |
| 18:21.35 | Tassium | MatBoy: apropos will search for keywords.. 'apropos shell', for example |
| 18:21.35 | Eulex | MatBoy, /keyword<enter> |
| 18:21.37 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: and it's a development repo nightly tarball. the computer thinks says the move, but doesn't move it... i don't think you want that |
| 18:21.38 | Nikosgr | what si this file then? |
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| 18:21.48 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: it's a development repo nightly tarball |
| 18:21.49 | MatBoy | A nice guys !! thanks ! |
| 18:21.50 | Tassium | MatBoy: Oh, you mean search the text of one manpage.. Never mind. :( |
| 18:21.57 | Nikosgr | ok then |
| 18:21.57 | Nikosgr | i wotn untar it |
| 18:21.58 | MrBallZ | Tassium: the problem is that the failling drive is where I have the install, so I just want to save the /home partition, |
| 18:22.00 | tarzeau | MatBoy: using / |
| 18:22.14 | Nikosgr | i just want nice pieces not the classic ones! |
| 18:22.33 | MatBoy | I have tried that on SSH but I can't find what I want. I want to keep a SSH-session alive |
| 18:22.38 | MatBoy | alway and forever... |
| 18:22.38 | Nikosgr | brutal ones |
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| 18:22.48 | MatBoy | the client than :) |
| 18:22.50 | dondelelcaro | MatBoy: man less; will become very useful to you too. |
| 18:22.53 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: then model them? |
| 18:23.02 | Nikosgr | tarzeau, also i dotn see an option nowhere fro connectin to fics |
| 18:23.03 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: these guys who develop it are not paid |
| 18:23.05 | dondelelcaro | MatBoy: also, h. |
| 18:23.09 | Nikosgr | or option in generl |
| 18:23.13 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: they do it because they enjoy it, as much as their time allows |
| 18:23.20 | tarzeau | !UTSL |
| 18:23.20 | dpkg | it has been said that utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 18:23.21 | Nikosgr | yes |
| 18:23.23 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: that was for you |
| 18:23.33 | Nikosgr | i cant model it! |
| 18:23.45 | Tassium | MatBoy: Sounds like you're looking for TcpKeepAlive in man sshd_config |
| 18:23.55 | Nikosgr | the site show sinteresnign pieces |
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| 18:24.03 | Nikosgr | how can i use them? |
| 18:24.07 | MatBoy | Tassium, I think I will, but thatone was not in the manual if you ask me |
| 18:24.14 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: ask the developers |
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| 18:25.12 | Nikosgr | tarzeau, can we play gainst each other suing brutalchess? |
| 18:25.23 | MatBoy | Tassium, ServerAliveInterval should be a better idea I think ? |
| 18:25.32 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: i don't think so |
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| 18:25.47 | Nikosgr | then whats the use? |
| 18:26.13 | Tassium | MatBoy: I don't know, I don't have ServerAliveInterval in my 'man sshd_config' |
| 18:26.13 | Tassium | I see ClientAliveInterval |
| 18:26.13 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: man, it is being developed |
| 18:26.13 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: it will play on fics |
| 18:26.18 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: it just doesn't right now |
| 18:26.21 | tarzeau | oh well |
| 18:26.23 | Tassium | MatBoy: You're looking at ssh_config, not sshd_config |
| 18:26.25 | tarzeau | it's weekend i guess |
| 18:26.26 | Nikosgr | yes i though it could now :( |
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| 18:26.33 | MatBoy | aha, I was googeling on your idea.. so that was why I saw that option |
| 18:26.46 | MatBoy | tarzeau, an IT-er has never weekend :p |
| 18:26.59 | tarzeau | MatBoy: who says i'm IT'er? |
| 18:27.09 | MatBoy | tarzeau, I smell IT :P |
| 18:27.18 | Tassium | I better get a weekend.. The chili cookoff is tomorrow, and I've got a craving for a bowl of red |
| 18:27.19 | tarzeau | MatBoy: your noze is broken |
| 18:27.29 | jair | guys, what will be the best way to use wget? "wget -N url? |
| 18:27.30 | tarzeau | nose |
| 18:27.32 | MatBoy | tarzeau, I guess so |
| 18:27.36 | tarzeau | jair: wget -c url |
| 18:27.39 | tarzeau | jair: to do what? |
| 18:27.41 | Tassium | jair: Depends on your needs, of course. |
| 18:27.55 | jair | download an iso |
| 18:28.04 | Nikosgr | tarzeau, wanna ply now with em in fics? |
| 18:28.05 | tarzeau | jair: yes use wget -c |
| 18:28.17 | jair | and i remember is an option that allow me to resume the download |
| 18:28.26 | tarzeau | Nikosgr: no i just got busy. but another time, i'd very gladly play with you. just check back here and ask again |
| 18:28.28 | thingfish | that's the -c |
| 18:28.32 | EdLin | what's fics, is that that FORTH thing used by fbsd's bootloader? |
| 18:28.38 | jair | cool guys thank you :) |
| 18:28.40 | tarzeau | !FICS |
| 18:28.40 | dpkg | it has been said that fics is the Free Internet Chess Server and is at freechess.org and fics.onenet.net. |
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| 18:29.35 | Nikosgr | ok tarzeau , ill now play some guy on fics ;-) |
| 18:29.38 | EdLin | tarzeau: oh, I've heard of that. |
| 18:29.47 | EdLin | tarzeau: I think I used it before with xboard |
| 18:29.52 | tarzeau | EdLin: me too |
| 18:30.21 | EdLin | tarzeau: I think the FORTH dialect is "ficl", I'm not sure. |
| 18:30.46 | Tassium | EdLin: Yes, that's correct |
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| 18:31.42 | tarzeau | EdLin: dict doesn't know it |
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| 18:32.15 | EdLin | tarzeau: it isn't popular |
| 18:32.38 | EdLin | tarzeau: I think the homepage is on sourceforge |
| 18:32.47 | tarzeau | EdLin: dict is about lookup up things, popular or not |
| 18:32.48 | Tassium | edlin/tarzeau: ficl.sourceforge.net, yes |
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| 18:32.59 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, does anybody has experience installing a webcam? I receive this message when I load gqcam: "/dev/video: No such file or directory" |
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| 18:33.12 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:33.22 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: did it work with 2.4? quickcam driver? |
| 18:34.57 | Ts0p | abrotman this is a book...not a file hahahaha |
| 18:35.02 | abrotman | Ts0p: you'll live |
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| 18:35.25 | Ts0p | abrotman you sure about this :) |
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| 18:35.36 | spiekey | hello! |
| 18:35.49 | spiekey | what does /etc/rcS.d/S41hotplug-net do excatly? |
| 18:35.55 | EdLin | tarzeau: thanks for clarifying |
| 18:36.03 | spiekey | is it just for hotplugable network devices? |
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| 18:36.21 | EdLin | tarzeau: I've always told myself I'd go back to fics one of these days, but I'm not a great chess player |
| 18:36.28 | warreng | okay... you guys win i lose... i screwed up my ubnutu |
| 18:36.33 | tarzeau | EdLin: train train train, play play play |
| 18:36.36 | Tassium | spiekey: In the file it says: # nethotplug manage Debian-specific network interfaces state files |
| 18:36.47 | tarzeau | EdLin: that's how i ascended nethack |
| 18:36.48 | Tassium | spiekey: So I'd guess it's for hot pluggable network stuff. |
| 18:37.00 | SonnyBurnett | tarzeau, 2.6.15, debian etch, spca5xx driver |
| 18:37.13 | spiekey | Tassium: such as pcmcia network cards or something? |
| 18:37.14 | EdLin | tarzeau: I've been doing better at nethack lately. |
| 18:37.14 | tarzeau | EdLin: first times never are pefect. no matter what. ok it can be nice, depending on what it is |
| 18:37.21 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: mine don't work with 2.6 |
| 18:37.34 | tarzeau | EdLin: cool, what dlvls do you die? are in #nethack ? |
| 18:37.41 | SonnyBurnett | tarzeau, but do you know why I receive this error? |
| 18:37.51 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: no |
| 18:37.52 | EdLin | tarzeau: only level seven |
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| 18:37.59 | ranpha | question.. i just copied 300gb on files....i just discoverd there all root owned.....how can i change this with one simple click? |
| 18:37.59 | tarzeau | EdLin: better than ruskie |
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| 18:38.07 | MrBallZ | Tassium: the problem is that the failling drive is where I have the install, so I just want to save the /home partition, |
| 18:38.11 | tarzeau | EdLin: starve? or killed by monsters? |
| 18:38.16 | EdLin | tarzeau: killed |
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| 18:38.22 | tarzeau | EdLin: try get more armor! (AC: n) |
| 18:38.22 | EdLin | tarzeau: monks don't starve easy |
| 18:38.46 | tarzeau | EdLin: trie playing a wizard or valk? |
| 18:39.05 | EdLin | tarzeau: I've tried playing valkeries, they're pretty good |
| 18:39.28 | EdLin | tarzeau: they say valkeries are the easiest |
| 18:39.29 | Ts0p | abrotman:done |
| 18:39.42 | tarzeau | EdLin: there's ALOT you can still discover when you've only been to level 7. found the oracle yet? sokoban? gnomish mines, shoptown? |
| 18:39.52 | EdLin | gnomish mines and oracle |
| 18:39.57 | tarzeau | EdLin: my first ascend was with a wizard... but yes valks are nice |
| 18:40.14 | tarzeau | EdLin: i like knights and riding alot |
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| 18:40.41 | EdLin | tarzeau: yeah, that's fun, unless you don't mount the horse properly. :) |
| 18:40.48 | Phlexonance | I need a batch id3 tag tool |
| 18:41.08 | tarzeau | EdLin: riding dragons is even better |
| 18:41.13 | tarzeau | EdLin: or having an aleax pet |
| 18:41.28 | Tassium | Phlexonance: id3tool? |
| 18:41.35 | tarzeau | Phlexonance: itunes ? |
| 18:41.50 | Phlexonance | Tassium, tool for managing id3 tags |
| 18:42.10 | Tassium | Phlexonance: I realize that; id3tool is a package name :) |
| 18:42.18 | Phlexonance | tarzeau, I dont need a player, just a tool for batch filling id3 tags |
| 18:42.26 | Phlexonance | Tassium, doh^^, thanks |
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| 18:42.43 | tarzeau | Phlexonance: it does that |
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| 18:43.51 | warreng | dondelelcaro/abrotman/Shadowcat: my apologies... you were all right and i was wrong and now i b0rked my system :) |
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| 18:44.22 | __james__ | hello, is it possible to give super user rights to a normal user and then roll back changes please ? i know the usermod command but i don't know the name of the super user group (trying with root but it's not good) |
| 18:44.53 | jair | guys it is "sendmail" a good application for email in a SAP enviroment? I am having a problem with the time that is taking to send the emails even in the local area network. |
| 18:45.19 | pipeline | jair: Sendmail requires full-time dedicated wizards, complete with ball and staff, to run :P |
| 18:45.20 | Tassium | jair: I prefer postfix, but sendmail works for plenty of people. |
| 18:45.33 | jair | what email server can you guys recommend me or that you think is the best one right now out there, I really like the postfix so far. |
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| 18:45.52 | Tassium | jair: "Best" is very subjective.. Opinions are like rectums. Sure, I've got one, but why do you wanna see it? |
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| 18:46.24 | pr3d | !info p5ld2 |
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| 18:46.52 | jair | I think I will try to find out what is the problem with the send mail but also I really would like to use postfix. |
| 18:47.15 | jair | Tassium: which one is your favorite, or the one has been working the best for you. |
| 18:47.17 | imonkey | hello, i replaced my freebsd server whit debian but everything works perfect there is one thing i cant figure out though in freebsd i could put the apps in /etc/rc.conf and it would start on boot but how must i do this in debian? |
| 18:47.21 | Tassium | jair: Postfix. |
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| 18:47.36 | pr3d | !sata |
| 18:47.37 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 18:47.39 | Tassium | imonkey: update-rc.d |
| 18:47.54 | jair | Tassium: nice |
| 18:47.58 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 18:47.58 | dpkg | [runlevel] 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 18:48.07 | valdyn | !runlevels |
| 18:48.07 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 18:48.08 | jair | Tassium: but you have experience with send mail? |
| 18:48.09 | tarzeau | imonkey: tried debian gnu/kfreebsd yet? #gnu-kbsd |
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| 18:48.26 | Tassium | jair: My experience with sendmail involved staying up all night, going to bed after the sun rose, and never getting it to do what I wanted. |
| 18:48.39 | Tassium | Perhaps if I had been willing to kill a small animal in sacrifice it would have gone better. |
| 18:48.53 | tarzeau | Tassium: a red ant? |
| 18:48.53 | imonkey | oke thanks guys |
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| 18:49.07 | Tassium | tarzeau: Ants are insects, not animals. Maybe a chicken, or a goat. |
| 18:49.18 | tarzeau | Tassium: insects are no animals? |
| 18:49.19 | stew | !runlevel is also note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 18:49.19 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:49.32 | Tassium | tarzeau: No, they're pests :) |
| 18:49.33 | tarzeau | Tassium: what about fish? or sheep? |
| 18:49.39 | stew | insects are animals |
| 18:49.45 | Tassium | tarzeau: Fish or sheep won't get sendmail working |
| 18:49.55 | valdyn | !filerc |
| 18:50.09 | Ts0p | stew hi how are you today man ? |
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| 18:50.27 | tarzeau | RichiH: louisan is nice :) |
| 18:50.28 | stew | Ts0p: happy friday |
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| 18:50.58 | froguz | how can i verify a debian machine??? |
| 18:51.08 | froguz | i know there is a debian version file |
| 18:51.10 | Ronin | verify a debian machine? |
| 18:51.11 | Tassium | froguz: Verify how? |
| 18:51.16 | tarzeau | Ronin: it's weekend |
| 18:51.23 | seb- | what to do! an app i want is only in testing NOT sarge |
| 18:51.25 | Ts0p | froguz : uname -r |
| 18:51.31 | Ts0p | *-a |
| 18:51.39 | Ronin | tarzeau: indeed, almost beer o'clock too |
| 18:51.39 | tarzeau | seb-: !simple sid backport |
| 18:51.47 | tarzeau | Ronin: what country? |
| 18:51.52 | Ronin | canada |
| 18:51.56 | warnk | is it possible to install libapache2-mod-php4 and apache2-mpm-worker at the same time? |
| 18:51.59 | Ts0p | stew yeah : what are you up too |
| 18:51.59 | froguz | Ts0p, that just tell me de kernel version |
| 18:52.08 | tarzeau | warnk: try it |
| 18:52.08 | seb- | tarzeau: what is diff between using a backport and just mixing sarge and sid apps on same laptop? |
| 18:52.11 | froguz | i want to verify if a machine has debian installed on it |
| 18:52.15 | Ts0p | froguz and what are you looking to do ? |
| 18:52.19 | tarzeau | seb-: backports are just backports too |
| 18:52.24 | warnk | tarzeau, broken packages |
| 18:52.26 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 18:52.26 | Ronin | froguz: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:52.26 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 18:52.30 | seb- | tarzeau: huh? |
| 18:52.35 | stew | Ts0p: about to fix my brother in law's tivo, and start drinking, not necessarily in that order |
| 18:52.36 | seb- | tarzeau: thanks btw |
| 18:52.37 | tarzeau | warnk: then it's not possible, no? |
| 18:52.38 | Ronin | nothats not right heh |
| 18:52.42 | froguz | Thanks Ronin |
| 18:52.44 | tarzeau | seb-: don't mix, see bobbitt |
| 18:52.51 | warnk | tarzeau, mod-php4 wants mpm-prefork |
| 18:52.51 | froguz | that's the file i couldn't remember |
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| 18:52.58 | warnk | tarzeau, well, any way around it? |
| 18:53.11 | seb- | tarzeau: i agree,,,,but why are backports somehow safer? |
| 18:53.12 | warnk | tarzeau, besides compiling from src |
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| 18:53.27 | tarzeau | warnk: no idea, i don't like php |
| 18:53.52 | tarzeau | seb-: you will only have that one certain version that most probably someone else tested and is using |
| 18:53.54 | EdLin | seb-: because they've been compiled against a sarge system |
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| 18:54.14 | __james__ | i don't understand why gtk theme can't be changed with normal user rights, segmentation fault is not engouth information, maybe you guys have experienced this problem ? |
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| 18:54.40 | Ts0p | stew : would you take a look at #flood, see if you can help me with setup my vedio card..._rain and abrotman are helping me but since the file i posted in the flood is taking for ever i think they fall asleep with me as well |
| 18:54.51 | seb- | EdLin, tarzeau: how come backports are not accepted into stable or else in stable/contrib? (iirc contrib is stuff that HAS NOT made it into contrib YET) |
| 18:54.55 | EdLin | __james__: "segmentation fault" is information, it tells you it has a serious bug and it crashed |
| 18:55.07 | froguz | is there a simil to rh chkconfig in debian? |
| 18:55.13 | Tassium | seb-: Because stable only gets security fixes |
| 18:55.20 | EdLin | seb-: because on a server, you want to keep version churn as little as possible, so configurations don't change. |
| 18:55.21 | seb- | froguz: update-rc.d? |
| 18:55.27 | __james__ | edlin : it is not enought for me to understand how to fix the problem :s |
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| 18:55.34 | tarzeau | seb-: because stable is defined |
| 18:55.40 | tarzeau | seb-: no new versions. only security updates |
| 18:55.43 | tarzeau | seb-: more or less |
| 18:56.05 | tarzeau | !nickometer __james__ |
| 18:56.07 | dpkg | '__james__' is 88.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 18:56.08 | seb- | tarzeau: thanks..one last question if you don' t mind...what does stable/contrib mean/have then? |
| 18:56.19 | tarzeau | !contrib |
| 18:56.20 | dpkg | contrib is probably debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
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| 18:57.07 | seb- | tarzeau: i see. .thanks |
| 18:57.29 | __james__ | this problem with gtk themes is just a complete mystery for all ! even google :s |
| 18:57.30 | Ts0p | abrotman the file is done, would you take a look at it please? thanks |
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| 18:58.18 | iostream | Hi. If raid is enabled during the install, is grub then automatically configured to install on both devices (raid 1)? |
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| 19:00.22 | __james__ | tarzeau : go find a gf |
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| 19:00.30 | tarzeau | __james__: i do already |
| 19:00.40 | pipeline | tarzeau: Bonus points if aforementioned girlfriend is, in fact, not obsessed with openstep |
| 19:00.43 | tarzeau | do other people also name their car and bicycle? |
| 19:00.49 | tarzeau | pipeline: heh :) |
| 19:00.57 | tarzeau | pipeline: hehehhe :) |
| 19:01.16 | __james__ | tarzeau : do find a girlfriend whom you can have satisfatction with (sex is included) |
| 19:01.19 | przem | when I try to add windows printer using " lpadmin -p canon -v smb://roy/cannon -i smbprint.sysv " I get an error message : "lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: client-error-not-found" what should I do? |
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| 19:01.37 | tarzeau | __james__: i already do |
| 19:01.58 | __james__ | as far as i have read from you : it's unbeleivable :p |
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| 19:02.19 | abrotman | Ts0p: looking |
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| 19:15.07 | stew | Ts0p: sorry i'm not in flood |
| 19:16.18 | __james__ | please, do you have an idea of how to change normal user gtk theme from super user ? |
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| 19:17.26 | tarzeau | __james__: just change it? gtk-switch(2) |
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| 19:18.17 | |Sivik| | this is a stupid question but what is the command to start an xsession from init=3 |
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| 19:18.21 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 19:18.36 | __james__ | i get a segmentation fault when changing a theme from normal user, but it's working with root :s |
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| 19:19.06 | ribnitz | Whats the easiest to convert a dvd into a set of avi's (or oggs) that can be burnt to cd? |
| 19:19.19 | ribnitz | Is there a program with a nice gui frontend? |
| 19:19.31 | Blissex | ribnitz: yes. |
| 19:19.44 | ribnitz | Blissex: what? |
| 19:20.09 | Blissex | ribnitz: Marillat repository, 'transcode' or 'dvd::rip' or similar. |
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| 19:21.55 | iturk | in order to tar a file what is the syntax please !! |
| 19:22.01 | ribnitz | Blissex: I tried DVD:Rip in chapter mode, but it only transcodes the first chapter. |
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| 19:22.08 | ribnitz | iturk: -cf |
| 19:22.19 | ribnitz | iturk: man tar |
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| 19:23.37 | __james__ | ribnitz: http://qdvdauthor.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:24.25 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch or something |
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| 19:25.01 | seb- | abrotman: what do you do when you want an app that isn't in backports? |
| 19:25.13 | abrotman | seb-: depends what it is i suppose |
| 19:25.31 | seb- | abrotman: a python plotting app called matplotlib? :) |
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| 19:25.43 | ribnitz | __james__: I need a frontend of sorts to transcode. but thanks. |
| 19:25.43 | abrotman | seb-: download it and run it ? :) |
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| 19:25.59 | seb- | abrotman: i can either get testing/sid version or compile from source |
| 19:26.10 | abrotman | !tell seb- about simple sid backport |
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| 19:26.21 | __james__ | abrotman : gtk theme switch outputs a segmentation fault at theme changing from normal user, it's working with super user |
| 19:26.29 | seb- | abrotman: it ain't in backports! |
| 19:26.29 | Sonor-K | I'm trying to install sarge on a machine that uses the ICH7 SATA controller, which isn't supported by the kernel on the sarge netinst images. Does anyone know if a) the etch installer daily builds will install sarge (I know beta 2 won't), b) beta1 of the etch installer is available somewhere, c) someone has made sarge install media using a newer kernel or including ich7 support, or d) there's a better way to do it? :) |
| 19:26.31 | Spec | mini-dinstall is giving me an error: "Skipping screwed changefile "/path/to/myprogram.changes", but it won't tell me why it's screwed....how do I go about troubleshooting this? |
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| 19:26.44 | seb- | abrotman: it ain't in backports! |
| 19:26.44 | user__ | hello |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | seb-: read what dpkg told you! |
| 19:26.51 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:26.51 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 19:26.53 | valdyn | Sonor-K: ^^^ |
| 19:26.58 | AnsiC | . |
| 19:27.00 | Sonor-K | THanks a bunch, valdyn. |
| 19:27.05 | __james__ | ribnitz : what about http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ ? |
| 19:27.05 | Sonor-K | Sorry if that's a FAQ |
| 19:27.12 | abrotman | seb-: did you read it? |
| 19:27.27 | seb- | abrotman: didn't find it |
| 19:27.34 | abrotman | !tell seb- about simple sid backport |
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| 19:27.58 | froguz | i'm trying to make a update-rc.d asterisk start 10 2 3 4 5 . stop 91 2 3 4 5 but i'm getting error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
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| 19:28.17 | dondelelcaro | froguz: you're missing a period. |
| 19:28.23 | AnsiC | what is the lust stable version of debian ? |
| 19:28.30 | seb- | abrotman: not sure why i'm not getting it...i know about backports...matplotlib isn't in there..i looked |
| 19:28.30 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 19:28.30 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 19:28.33 | AnsiC | 3.1 r0.a ?? |
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| 19:28.39 | abrotman | seb-: you just told me it was in unstable! |
| 19:28.44 | dondelelcaro | froguz: it should be update-rc.d asterisk start 10 2 3 4 5 . stop 91 2 3 4 5 . |
| 19:28.54 | seb- | abrotman: does everything in unstable have a backport? |
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| 19:29.03 | valdyn | abrotman: why dont you read what dpkg said? |
| 19:29.05 | dondelelcaro | seb-: no, but some things do |
| 19:29.06 | abrotman | seb-: you STILL didn't read what dpkg said |
| 19:29.09 | valdyn | seb-: why dont you read what dpkg said? |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | valdyn: eh ? |
| 19:29.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:29.13 | valdyn | abrotman: sorry |
| 19:29.19 | froguz | dondek, thanks |
| 19:29.29 | valdyn | abrotman: funny thing is i told him about simple sid backport days ago too, he didnt read either |
| 19:29.36 | rohan | is ftp.debian.org down ? its inaccessible here |
| 19:29.49 | AnsiC | i want install the lust stable version of debian. The positive thing is that i have a Router pirelli preconfigured |
| 19:29.49 | abrotman | rohan: use another |
| 19:29.55 | seb- | abrotman: i saw a post that started "Ten Hut!"..that one? |
| 19:30.09 | rohan | abrotman: none which is updated as fast as ftp.d.o :D |
| 19:30.09 | seb- | valdyn: i am reading! |
| 19:30.17 | AnsiC | so i do not need set user and password for connect to provider |
| 19:30.21 | rohan | abrotman: and, it works fine, i think the problem is my dns |
| 19:30.26 | rohan | my dns was always b0rken |
| 19:30.35 | rohan | are there any free public dns servers ? |
| 19:30.51 | Tassium | rohan: You can use your ISP's servers |
| 19:31.01 | rohan | Tassium: those are the broken ones |
| 19:31.07 | AnsiC | now i'm under ubuntu, and The network configuration using DHCP has succefully |
| 19:31.08 | myboxen | I compiled a new kernel using make-kpkg, using kernel_image modules_image, I used the oldconfig option from what debian detected during install. I changed the CPU from 486 to M (I have a laptop) and I changed the memory to support 2GB. However now when I boot gdm starts but never displays the login. Its just the colored screen background. I have checked Xorg.0.log, messages, auth, kernel, and other logs and I am not findin |
| 19:31.08 | myboxen | g any failed messages that could explain this. |
| 19:31.09 | valdyn | rohan: i really dbout that ft.d.o is the fastest mirror |
| 19:31.11 | myboxen | any ideas |
| 19:31.14 | Tassium | rohan: Run a caching server on your linux box |
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| 19:31.38 | AnsiC | but using DEBIAN 3.1 r0.a net install the network configuration has failed |
| 19:32.01 | seb- | abrotman, valdyn: i wonder if i'm not getting same dpkg mssgs as you for some reason...i'm trying to read them! my apologies |
| 19:32.01 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:32.01 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 19:32.07 | valdyn | AnsiC: ^^^ |
| 19:32.10 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 19:32.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 19:32.15 | abrotman | seb-: you didn't see that? |
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| 19:32.21 | abrotman | seb-: in your /msg area |
| 19:32.34 | rohan | valdyn: fastest as in fastest to update .. my net is so slow tht mirror doesnt matter .. i get 26kbps down |
| 19:32.36 | seb- | abrotman: ahh! i shrunk my window! :) |
| 19:32.43 | abrotman | nice |
| 19:32.49 | valdyn | rohan: sure that too |
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| 19:33.17 | rohan | valdyn: sure as in sure its fastest updated, or otherwise ? |
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| 19:33.30 | Spec | How do I get mini-dinstall to associate sid with unstable? |
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| 19:33.43 | valdyn | rohan: its unlikely that its the fastest updating debian mirror, i think |
| 19:33.45 | ubern00b123 | I'm looking at a CD I haved burned " Debian Install Disk 1; 3.0r2 ". Is there a way I can boot into the CD, on my windows machine, to format a drive I have in FAT? |
| 19:34.15 | Blissex | ubern00b123: yes, but if you have to ask better to avoid it. |
| 19:34.18 | ubern00b123 | I usually use the Debian CDs for computer repair, because they're so damn useful, but I don't know of any abilities for this. |
| 19:34.21 | tarzeau | ubern00b123: i'd use any live cd for this |
| 19:34.23 | rohan | ubern00b123: debian disks can format a filesystem only to reiserfs,ext3,ext2,xfs and jfs |
| 19:34.33 | EdLin | !nickometer ubern00b123 |
| 19:34.34 | tarzeau | ubern00b123: debian cds for computer repair? they are horrible for that |
| 19:34.34 | dpkg | 'ubern00b123' is 78.000% lame, edlin |
| 19:34.43 | tarzeau | ubern00b123: it's missing all important software for computer repair |
| 19:34.53 | tarzeau | ubern00b123: read: they suck for anything but installing debian |
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| 19:35.17 | ubern00b123 | well, sbm.bin, and a Win98 boot disk, and I can repair any of my comps... unfortunately, I am at lack of a diskette right now. |
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| 19:35.42 | ribnitz | ubern00b123: Disk image to cd-rw? |
| 19:35.46 | tarzeau | ubern00b123: personally i like the livecd.gnustep.org to do stuff, since it has all the software i like/need/use |
| 19:35.58 | ubern00b123 | so I thought to ask if any of you knew a... relatively painless way. So thanks, I'll keep looking around. :) |
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| 19:36.31 | tuv | i'm having a "reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd" problem while burning dvds on my external sony dvd burner.. the burning process just halts in the middle until i cancel it. kernel 2.6.15-1-686 from testing |
| 19:36.33 | myboxen | ubern00b123: check bootdisk.com |
| 19:36.41 | seb- | abrotman: thanks! that rocks! An instant backport!! |
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| 19:38.35 | EdLin | myboxen: too late |
| 19:38.45 | myboxen | anyone got any ideas why gdm would fail? including the info from my previous post. |
| 19:38.59 | myboxen | EdLin: yea, I noticed after I typed it :) |
| 19:39.10 | EdLin | myboxen: does startx work? |
| 19:39.17 | myboxen | no |
| 19:39.28 | myboxen | nor does /etc/init.d/gdm start or restart |
| 19:39.31 | tuv | could it be a bad dvd disc? |
| 19:39.33 | stew | myboxen: sid? |
| 19:39.33 | EdLin | myboxen: are you using a frame buffer console? |
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| 19:39.40 | myboxen | stew: etch |
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| 19:40.00 | myboxen | EdLin: yes I have frame buffer running, but its also running on the kernel that works |
| 19:40.02 | ribnitz | tuv: DVD-R or RW? |
| 19:40.10 | tuv | ribnitz, dvd-r |
| 19:40.28 | przem | What should I do to use windows Printer? |
| 19:40.29 | EdLin | myboxen: try deactivating it anyway. |
| 19:40.30 | ribnitz | tuv: if you lok at the disk (writable side), any scratches? |
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| 19:40.50 | tuv | ribnitz, i can see a few.. yes |
| 19:40.55 | ribnitz | przem: www.linuxprinting.org. check options. or tell us what model. |
| 19:40.58 | przem | What should I do to use windows Printer? |
| 19:41.01 | myboxen | EdLin: ok, if it works its worth it. |
| 19:41.08 | fourat | having problem with sendmail in debian |
| 19:41.12 | tuv | ribnitz, but is this the message i should see when the scratches are the problem? |
| 19:41.15 | EdLin | przem: stop repeating |
| 19:41.16 | fourat | debian is remaking sendmail.cf from m4 file everytime it restarts |
| 19:41.20 | przem | Ok |
| 19:41.21 | myboxen | off to reboot, bbiab |
| 19:41.24 | fourat | anyone can help me ? |
| 19:41.25 | przem | sorry |
| 19:42.19 | tuv | przem, is the printer connected to a windows machine on your network? |
| 19:42.27 | ribnitz | tuv: I have a dvd-rw that has become unusable because of scratches. I have a dvd, that cannot be read because of scratches. So try with another disk (and possibly a lower burning speed) |
| 19:42.31 | przem | ribnitz: The model is canon BJC 250 |
| 19:42.43 | przem | tuv:Yes and it's shared |
| 19:43.20 | ribnitz | przem: Install, printing services for unix, and then you can print to it using lpd protocol. |
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| 19:43.31 | krnl`- | hi whats wrong with this? http://krnl.hu/stuff.txt i cant connect to port 27015 from the given addresses! |
| 19:43.40 | tuv | ribnitz, this is the second disk with showing this problem.. and between the two i had a successful burn on a similar disk |
| 19:43.51 | tuv | przem, using gnome? |
| 19:44.15 | przem | tuv: no KDE |
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| 19:44.40 | tuv | przem, did you try to add the printer using kde control center or some other kde applet? |
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| 19:45.00 | ribnitz | przem: works perfectly in linux. see http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-BJC-250 |
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| 19:45.18 | przem | tuv: I tried to do this using lpadmin |
| 19:46.02 | tuv | przem, ok.. here is a simple method.. if you have cups installed, just browse to http://localhost:631 and add the printer from there |
| 19:47.19 | przem | tuv:like this :I did it |
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| 19:48.05 | przem | tuv: The system shows the printer but when I try to print something I can't |
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| 19:49.29 | Mortis_kruuul | http://www.stop.bbs.pl stop for spammers!!!! |
| 19:49.52 | abrotman | Mortis_kruuul: stop spamming us |
| 19:49.52 | Ronin | stop for spammers? including irc channels ones? |
| 19:50.01 | Mortis_kruuul | yes |
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| 19:50.08 | przem | tuv:I can't even print test page |
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| 19:53.03 | fourat | is there any aptfile-like service on the net ? i wont download apt-file's database |
| 19:53.15 | zinx | uhm |
| 19:53.29 | nashirak | I did something very silly... I downloaded the testing version of libc6 (2.3.6-7) and installed this package via: dpkg -i. Obviously my system doesn't like this as I would not be asking for help. Is there a way to go back to my old version, or install the older libc6? |
| 19:53.33 | chealer | !tell fourat about search |
| 19:53.35 | zinx | there's dpkg, here :D |
| 19:53.35 | asg | fourat: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:54.57 | quitte | nashirak: you could use some live cd and dpkg -x the sarge libc in your system. |
| 19:55.17 | quitte | nashirak: why did you do that anyways? |
| 19:56.02 | nashirak | quitte: I was trying to get a game to work |
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| 19:59.44 | pepe | can anybody paste me a sources.list file for the unstable version ? |
| 19:59.52 | SlayerXP | pepe: nope |
| 19:59.57 | Ronin | pepe: apt-setup |
| 20:00.09 | pepe | ok |
| 20:00.09 | Ronin | assuming of course you currently run setup |
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| 20:00.13 | Blissex | pepe: if you have to ask dont use unstable. |
| 20:00.15 | Ronin | unstable that is |
| 20:00.23 | Ronin | and like Blissex said :) |
| 20:00.31 | pepe | hum |
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| 20:00.32 | asg | pepe: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:00.39 | pepe | ok |
| 20:00.51 | pepe | so i'm gonna ask you another question |
| 20:01.00 | pepe | i just installed debian testing |
| 20:01.07 | pepe | and while rebooting |
| 20:01.24 | pepe | i had an error on "Begin: Waiting for root file system" |
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| 20:01.38 | pepe | and there it stops for 2-3 minutes |
| 20:01.53 | pepe | and ALERT ! /dev/hda8 doesn't exist |
| 20:01.59 | pepe | or something like that |
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| 20:02.17 | SlayerXP | hda8 ? |
| 20:02.18 | asg | pepe: something like that? |
| 20:02.29 | SlayerXP | do you have a 12 terabyte storage array? |
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| 20:03.21 | pepe | SlayerXP, no, just 40GB, but actually i made many partitions |
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| 20:04.35 | pepe | so do you know how to fix that ? |
| 20:04.48 | piper69 | i am using debian stable and trying to setup my backport, but i can't find /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:05.11 | stew | piper69: you might not have one, crate it. |
| 20:05.21 | Tassium | piper69: You don't start with that file, you have to make it yourself. |
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| 20:06.08 | piper69 | stew: how would i create it i mean "cat > /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:06.14 | piper69 | is that right |
| 20:06.28 | stew | piper69: editor /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:06.28 | Tassium | piper69: You could do that. Or use an editor, such as vi, nano, pico, emacs.. |
| 20:06.48 | elSinuX | Hello, I have some problems with my ext3-fs, with e2fsck /dev/hda3 I get Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda3 |
| 20:06.50 | stew | or an editor such as /usr/bin/editor! :) |
| 20:06.57 | piper69 | stew: Tassium : thank you |
| 20:06.58 | elSinuX | any help Theks :D |
| 20:07.06 | asg | we are not Theks |
| 20:07.19 | pepe | is it normal that debian installs an old kernel ? |
| 20:07.24 | Ronin | theks? that like daleks? |
| 20:07.26 | asg | pepe: yes |
| 20:07.27 | stew | asg: if you aren't a Thek feel free not to answer him |
| 20:07.31 | pepe | 2.4.27 oO |
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| 20:07.39 | Ronin | pepe: yes unless yo utell it diferently |
| 20:07.49 | pepe | ok |
| 20:07.59 | elSinuX | Actually im on Live CD because it cant find my kernel |
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| 20:08.07 | pepe | but how wan i 'tell it differently' ? |
| 20:08.13 | Ronin | pepe: linux26 at the start of the install if you want a 2.6 kernel |
| 20:08.22 | pepe | hum |
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| 20:08.34 | pepe | so i have to reinstall it ? |
| 20:08.34 | Ronin | or before the start to be precise |
| 20:08.40 | Ronin | pepe: no you can update it |
| 20:08.48 | pepe | ok |
| 20:08.50 | pepe | in |
| 20:08.53 | asg | pepe: no, apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one from the list presented) |
| 20:08.54 | pepe | huh |
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| 20:09.31 | Ronin | asg: just try it :) |
| 20:09.44 | pepe | i don't have 2.6 kernels asg |
| 20:09.52 | asg | Ronin: being a Thek or apt-get install kernel-image? |
| 20:09.57 | stew | pepe: hit f1 at the boot: prompt |
| 20:10.02 | Ronin | asg: apt-get :) |
| 20:10.11 | Ronin | stew: ithink debian is already installed |
| 20:10.15 | stew | pepe: wait are you installing or have you already installed? |
| 20:10.18 | asg | Ronin: works in stable |
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| 20:10.25 | stew | pepe: if you have already installed, /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 20:10.34 | pepe | stew, i have already installed it |
| 20:10.51 | Ronin | asg: i know :) i wasnt sure till a second ago though if it was a installin progress or one he wanted to update |
| 20:11.09 | fourat | there's no /etc/rc.local in debian |
| 20:11.18 | asg | !rc.local |
| 20:11.19 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 20:11.21 | fourat | what's it's replacement ? |
| 20:11.29 | asg | fourat: ^^ |
| 20:11.34 | fourat | ok |
| 20:11.34 | raf256 | are there any VNC clients? |
| 20:11.35 | fourat | :) |
| 20:11.46 | raf256 | that are not toally fucked up and b0rked like vncviewer is? |
| 20:11.47 | asg | raf256: xvncviewer |
| 20:11.50 | tero_ | how i change windows manager in debian? gnome to icewn? I have download and install all package |
| 20:11.54 | raf256 | asg: it is broken |
| 20:11.55 | pepe | stew, i have the testing version right now |
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| 20:12.40 | piper69 | i get broken packges when i try to apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 20:12.45 | asg | raf256: no it isn't |
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| 20:13.08 | asg | raf256: I used it a few days ago. If it's broken for you, check the bts |
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| 20:13.10 | trenka | tero_: echo "exec icewm-session" > ~/.xsession |
| 20:13.12 | raf256 | asg yes, it is totall screwed up. some moron devel didnt implement color depth conversio (wtf?!) |
| 20:13.26 | raf256 | asg: no, it is a known problem, some devel is brain dead, |
| 20:13.28 | stew | pepe: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 20:13.36 | raf256 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=YBl&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=vnc+%22can%27t+cope+with+24+bits-per-pixel%22 |
| 20:13.38 | tero_ | nothing more? |
| 20:13.46 | pepe | i've done it stew |
| 20:13.58 | piper69 | stew:i get broken packges when i try to apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 20:14.09 | asg | raf256: xtightvncviewer |
| 20:14.17 | stew | piper69: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 20:14.30 | asg | raf256: or any others listed in 'apt-cache search xvnc' |
| 20:14.34 | pepe | but how can i know if yaird is installed |
| 20:14.38 | trenka | tero_: It may be useful to read man update-alternatives and x-session-manager and x-window-manager alternatives |
| 20:14.47 | pepe | "If you are upgrading from a 2.4 kernel, make sure to yaird is installed and that yaird and not initramfs-tools is used to build the initrd" |
| 20:14.53 | asg | pepe: dpkg -l | grep yaird |
| 20:15.01 | raf256 | asg: xtight.. is the same as xvnc, only it fails even to connect to network |
| 20:15.12 | raf256 | are VNC devels total fucktards? |
| 20:15.13 | pepe | asg, it returns nothing |
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| 20:15.25 | pepe | apt-get isntall yaird ? |
| 20:15.28 | raf256 | not able to write C code to conver 32 bpp images to 24 bpp |
| 20:15.30 | asg | pepe: then it isn't installed |
| 20:15.43 | ikonia | raf256 why don't you write it |
| 20:15.45 | ikonia | fix it |
| 20:15.48 | ikonia | if its that easy |
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| 20:16.05 | tero_ | ok, thanks |
| 20:16.06 | raf256 | ikonia: it would be easy if I would be "into" that code, and if it is sanly written |
| 20:16.13 | tero_ | I hope that works :) |
| 20:16.26 | stew | pepe: yeah (but you have to spell install correctly) :P |
| 20:16.42 | stew | wait is that right? i think that is backwards, you need to use initramfs-tools, not yaird |
| 20:16.48 | stew | hmm |
| 20:16.51 | piper69 | stew: how can i get the output and paste it in the flood |
| 20:17.10 | stew | piper69: w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:17.26 | pepe | stew, done. but how can i disable initramfst-tools ? |
| 20:17.32 | raf256 | vnc devels are frekaing morons it seem |
| 20:17.41 | ikonia | so YOU fix it then |
| 20:17.48 | asg | raf256: then find another solution. ssh works just fine. |
| 20:17.50 | piper69 | stew: i prefer the flood coz my mouse is not work right now, but what i mean what command i should write |
| 20:17.53 | raf256 | I dont have time this month, and I need VNC _now_ |
| 20:18.00 | ikonia | then your a moron |
| 20:18.03 | ikonia | if its "that" easy |
| 20:18.08 | raf256 | asg: ssh -X ... yes, but I want entire desktop etc |
| 20:18.18 | raf256 | ikonia: it takes days to learn someones else code, always |
| 20:18.24 | ikonia | thats true |
| 20:18.29 | ikonia | but I think your being overly critical |
| 20:18.30 | petemc | if only there was some way to search the internet for other vnc type applications |
| 20:18.49 | petemc | whoever runs the internet must be freaking morons |
| 20:18.54 | raf256 | peritus: lol. I did, it seems all debian's vnc viewers are just wrappers on top of the same core. |
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| 20:19.02 | Tassium | petemc: I might call it apt-cache.. Or if I made a REALLY wide search, I might call it something silly like "google" |
| 20:19.05 | stew | pepe: you don't have to worry about it, the install scripts will take care of it for you |
| 20:19.11 | petemc | raf256: nxserver |
| 20:19.11 | pepe | ok |
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| 20:19.47 | pepe | so how do i apply the new kernel ? |
| 20:20.02 | pepe | is it already done by the installation script ? |
| 20:20.08 | raf256 | nxserver - no such package |
| 20:20.16 | raf256 | petemc: ^ |
| 20:20.22 | stew | piper69: what version of xserver-xorg are you trying to insall, and what is the unsatisfieable dependency? and what version of debian are you running? have you run apt-get update? |
| 20:20.27 | petemc | raf256: not everything is in debian, but there are debian packages |
| 20:20.48 | thingfish | pepe: if you installed a debian kernel through apt-get or aptitude or whatever, all you should have to do is reboot to it. |
| 20:20.50 | stew | pepe: just installing the package is enough |
| 20:20.55 | Tassium | pepe: After you install a kernel-image package, you just need to reboot. |
| 20:21.03 | pepe | ok |
| 20:21.04 | pepe | so |
| 20:21.10 | pepe | REBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT :D |
| 20:21.12 | Tassium | pepe: But ** make sure lilo's install worked ** (if you use lilo) |
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| 20:21.23 | pepe | and if i use grub ? |
| 20:21.25 | asg | !tell ladybeatrice about root |
| 20:21.29 | Tassium | I dunno, I don't use grub ;) |
| 20:21.37 | piper69 | stew: yes i did the update, i'm using XFree86 and want to get the Xorg, so i config the backports |
| 20:21.44 | pepe | isn't lilo quite old ? |
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| 20:21.58 | thingfish | pepe: you can peek inside /boot/grub/menu.1st to see if it's there. SHould be up top. |
| 20:21.59 | asg | pepe: no, it's constantly being developed |
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| 20:22.07 | pepe | or depreciated ? |
| 20:22.15 | ft | not at all |
| 20:22.18 | pepe | ok |
| 20:22.19 | pepe | so |
| 20:22.22 | pepe | reboot :-° |
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| 20:22.34 | stew | pepe: not old or deprecated |
| 20:22.42 | stew | pepe: it can still do things that grub can't |
| 20:23.18 | tpr | anyone know why Im having identd issues after I installed a secondary NIC and set up eth1? |
| 20:23.40 | stew | tpr: what issues? |
| 20:23.54 | r0b0 | hi, I have gnome 2.14.1 in debian sid. Is it possible to enable beagle as backend for nautilus searches? |
| 20:24.17 | asg | r0b0: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org if you don't get an answer here |
| 20:24.42 | piper69 | stew: would u help please |
| 20:24.49 | r0b0 | asg, I will, thanks.. but i ask here first :) so you don't know the answer? |
| 20:24.53 | stew | piper69: sure |
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| 20:25.09 | stew | piper69: what version of xserver-xorg are you trying to insall, and what is the unsatisfieable dependency? and what version of debian are you running? have you run apt-get update? |
| 20:25.18 | tpr | stew: it doesnt work :p I was thinking maybe its bound to eth1 instead of eth0 or something? so it isnt listening for incoming ident queries on the right nic or something |
| 20:25.24 | piper69 | stew: i don't know |
| 20:25.24 | stew | piper69: you answered the last question so far... |
| 20:25.37 | asg | tpr: netstat -plunt will tell you what is listening on what |
| 20:25.51 | stew | piper69: then show me the output of apt-get install xserver-xorg, use a pastebin |
| 20:26.10 | tpr | asg: yeah was just gonna say that, its listening on 0.0.0.0, id rather have it defined on eth0's ip |
| 20:26.10 | piper69 | stew: i don't know how ? please show me |
| 20:26.26 | piper69 | how can i redirect the out put to a file |
| 20:26.44 | stew | tpr: your ident works on this irc server, or are you talking about another machine? |
| 20:27.02 | tpr | stew: another machine |
| 20:27.10 | stew | tpr: can you find it listening with netstat? if so it would tell you which interfaces it was listening on |
| 20:27.28 | tpr | stew: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 24433/inetd |
| 20:27.32 | cureless | ok, lets' answer some questions... |
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| 20:28.19 | Nikosgr | root@dell:/var# mount -t vfat /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb |
| 20:28.28 | Nikosgr | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb3, |
| 20:28.28 | stew | tpr: then it should be listening to both interfaces as long as you have restarted inetd since setting up the second nic |
| 20:28.29 | Nikosgr | why? |
| 20:28.31 | tpr | stew: im uasing inetd and I couldnt find anything how I could change which interface its listening on, dunno if its possible with xinetd |
| 20:28.40 | stew | !pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m |
| 20:28.40 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:28.45 | tpr | stew: I have restarted inetd |
| 20:28.55 | cureless | Nikosgr: because that's probably not the filesystem you want or the partition you want. |
| 20:29.24 | cureless | Nikosgr: try "fdisk -l /dev/hdb", see what it says for the third partition |
| 20:29.25 | Nikosgr | it is |
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| 20:29.40 | Nikosgr | /dev/hdb3 1212 2431 9799650 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 20:29.49 | petemc | !pastewithoutx is also ; or use screen |
| 20:29.49 | elSinuX | im the sadest in the hill |
| 20:29.49 | dpkg | petemc: okay |
| 20:29.51 | stew | piper69: apt-get install xserver-xorg | tee /path/to/logfile |
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| 20:30.06 | stew | piper69: then you can use w3m to paste that file into a pastebin |
| 20:30.23 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, are you sure it's not ntfs? it can still be NTFS formated even when the label is FAT32 |
| 20:30.40 | cureless | Nikosgr: can you read this partition from windows? |
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| 20:30.49 | Nikosgr | no i formatted myself as fat32 |
| 20:30.58 | Nikosgr | yes |
| 20:30.59 | cureless | Nikosgr: right now? |
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| 20:31.04 | Nikosgr | no |
| 20:31.08 | Nikosgr | days ago |
| 20:31.19 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, do you have vfat support in kernel? built in/module loaded? |
| 20:31.35 | Nikosgr | yes this partition mounte sok in every startup |
| 20:31.39 | Nikosgr | now it just wont |
| 20:31.58 | cureless | Nikosgr: so it just started failing? did you compile your kernel recently? |
| 20:32.03 | Nikosgr | no |
| 20:32.10 | r0b0 | well. if it used to work before and now it doesn't, then something has changed |
| 20:32.12 | cureless | Nikosgr: does it work on windows right now? |
| 20:32.22 | Nikosgr | i must rebbot see that |
| 20:32.48 | Nikosgr | may i reformat it? |
| 20:32.50 | cureless | Nikosgr: you must, unless you want to do fancy stuff. |
| 20:32.59 | cureless | Nikosgr: don't reformat it yet. Try windows, see what it says. |
| 20:33.10 | Nikosgr | ok but i must rebbot again! |
| 20:33.15 | cureless | Nikosgr: though if you don't mind losing the info you're free to reformat. |
| 20:33.22 | stew | piper69: you might as well include your sources.list |
| 20:33.29 | Nikosgr | i dotn mind |
| 20:33.35 | Nikosgr | how can i do it? |
| 20:33.59 | cureless | Nikosgr: then reformat away. Some people suggest formatting from the original OS, so for fat use windows. Not everybody agrees (sometimes not even windows) |
| 20:34.00 | Nikosgr | mkfs.vfat /dev/hdb3 ? |
| 20:34.17 | elSinuX | e2fsck: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda3 |
| 20:34.31 | cureless | Nikosgr: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdb3 |
| 20:34.59 | cureless | Nikosgr: you want Fat 32 right? |
| 20:35.10 | piper69 | stew: i am trying |
| 20:35.29 | stew | piper69: in fact, if it is easier, we can just start with the sources.list |
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| 20:35.38 | ojai | I'm trying out grub on a system that I've had 2.4.30 running on forever. with LILO, there was never any problem. Now with grub, it's kernel panicing saying "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing the init= option to kernel". This is the same initrd that's worked forever w/ lilo. What are my options? |
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| 20:36.01 | piper69 | stew i'll paste it in #flood |
| 20:36.32 | Tassium | ojai: Well, if grub will let you pass args to the kernel, init is usually in /sbin/init |
| 20:36.33 | Nikosgr | yes cureless |
| 20:36.37 | Nikosgr | it formatted ok |
| 20:36.43 | Prince_ | hi all |
| 20:36.46 | Nikosgr | and i copy all my web site there |
| 20:36.57 | cureless | Nikosgr: does it mount? |
| 20:37.01 | Prince_ | anybody speaking polish? |
| 20:37.07 | Nikosgr | yes just fine! |
| 20:37.14 | tralala | !pl |
| 20:37.14 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 20:37.14 | warnk | anyone have problems building the latest php4? specifically with make install? |
| 20:37.16 | Nikosgr | and i can copy there just fine! |
| 20:37.30 | cureless | Nikosgr: you might want to keep backups, just in case this happens again. specially since you don't know the cause. |
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| 20:37.44 | Nikosgr | yes cureless |
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| 20:37.59 | Prince_ | thx ! |
| 20:38.18 | Nikosgr | folks iam about toi install dev\bain now |
| 20:38.27 | Nikosgr | i ll now burn the netinstall i downloaded |
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| 20:38.33 | Nikosgr | i was using ubuntu until now |
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| 20:38.39 | ojai | Tassium: thanks, but yeah, I tried that :( |
| 20:38.40 | Nikosgr | but iam fed up with its preoblems |
| 20:38.49 | Nikosgr | mount wont work |
| 20:38.51 | Nikosgr | gdm wont work |
| 20:38.58 | Nikosgr | lots of problems |
| 20:39.00 | Tassium | ojai: What happened when you tried telling the kernel where init lives? |
| 20:39.14 | tralala | !enter |
| 20:39.14 | ojai | it's just annoying that w/ lilo, no probs but I'm totally foobared w/ grub when nothing's changed :-/ |
| 20:39.14 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:39.22 | r0b0 | ojai, you probably need to specify root= |
| 20:39.28 | ojai | Tassium: nada -- same error |
| 20:39.44 | Nikosgr | 2 partiotions right? |
| 20:39.46 | cureless | Nikosgr: that's weird. But you're making the right choice. |
| 20:39.54 | cureless | Nikosgr: minimum 1 + swap. |
| 20:40.00 | Nikosgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.03 | ojai | r0b0: I'll give that a go |
| 20:40.10 | |Sivik| | what is the command to discover where (as in xx:xx:xx) my monitor is? |
| 20:40.16 | Nikosgr | swap = 2 times my ram ? |
| 20:40.33 | cureless | |Sivik|: was that in lspci? |
| 20:40.34 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, swap=64MB per each physical disk |
| 20:40.48 | Nikosgr | ? |
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| 20:40.53 | |Sivik| | cureless: i must have missed it cause i don't see it in the lspci |
| 20:41.02 | Nikosgr | my ram = 256 so sawp must be 512 |
| 20:41.04 | cureless | Nikosgr: swap is a matter of taste. Depends on your amount of RAM and intended use. |
| 20:41.07 | |Sivik| | cureless: i'm crazy |
| 20:41.10 | |Sivik| | cureless: there it is |
| 20:41.13 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, 2xRAM used to be recommended long time ago.. |
| 20:41.19 | Nikosgr | so now? |
| 20:41.33 | ojai | r0b0: my /boot lives on /dev/hda2 with my "/" living on /dev/hda7 -- should root be (hd0,1) or (hd0,6)? |
| 20:41.34 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, is it going to be a workstation/desktop or a server? |
| 20:41.43 | ojai | I had hd0,1 |
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| 20:41.52 | Nikosgr | workstation |
| 20:41.55 | r0b0 | ojai, hd0,6 i think |
| 20:41.57 | Nikosgr | but iam gonna run apache |
| 20:42.01 | Nikosgr | and sshd |
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| 20:42.05 | Nikosgr | and mail server |
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| 20:42.17 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, that's ok.. do you have only one hard disk? |
| 20:42.25 | Nikosgr | 2 hdds |
| 20:42.38 | chaedaeX | what happens if there are 2 default routes? |
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| 20:42.54 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, then put a 64MB swap partition on each disk.. |
| 20:43.00 | cureless | chaedaeX: probably the first one gets used. |
| 20:43.02 | Nikosgr | i dont understand |
| 20:43.10 | Nikosgr | debian willa sk me how much swap |
| 20:43.16 | Nikosgr | what am i going to tell it? |
| 20:43.26 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, make /dev/hda5 and /dev/hdc5 swap partitions and use them both |
| 20:43.40 | Nikosgr | no i want just one |
| 20:43.43 | cureless | Nikosgr: debian will let you select/create/set partitons for swap. |
| 20:43.48 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, don't know if you can do it in the installer directly though :) |
| 20:43.49 | Nikosgr | hda5 is ntfs |
| 20:44.07 | Nikosgr | iam going to make it or not? |
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| 20:44.21 | Nikosgr | is the wizard easy? |
| 20:44.41 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, hda5 was just an example.. |
| 20:44.45 | Nikosgr | cureless, how much swap dude? |
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| 20:45.07 | ojai | r0b0: ah, got it! I had /dev/hda2 as the "root=" parameter, not /dev/hda7 |
| 20:45.10 | ojai | thanks! |
| 20:45.14 | cureless | Nikosgr: how much space do you have free? 512 will be good, but the "problem" with swap is that it's something you really don't want to use. |
| 20:45.21 | r0b0 | I have gnome 2.14.1 in debian sid. Is it possible to enable beagle as backend for nautilus searches? |
| 20:45.37 | r0b0 | ojai, no problem |
| 20:45.39 | cureless | Nikosgr: if you're _really_ using 512 swap you're either running something very large or you _need_ to buy more ram. |
| 20:45.43 | Nikosgr | apps sue swap as a replacemnt for lack of extra physical memory |
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| 20:45.58 | Nikosgr | iam gonna run gnome |
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| 20:46.01 | cureless | Nikosgr: use 512 if you have the space, at least you won't worry about it, but realize you might be wasting space. |
| 20:46.13 | Nikosgr | yes |
| 20:46.18 | Nikosgr | well i ahve space |
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| 20:46.25 | iturk | what is the zip command to compress |
| 20:46.26 | Nikosgr | how much the / ? |
| 20:46.31 | Nikosgr | and what type |
| 20:46.34 | mc__ | systemerror, hi |
| 20:46.39 | Nikosgr | ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 20:46.45 | iturk | i try zip -9 * file.zip but i could not compress |
| 20:46.48 | cureless | Nikosgr: ubuntu (last time I installed it) uses the debian installer, so if you've installed ubuntu you'll know how to install debian (don't know about new ubuntus) |
| 20:46.57 | cureless | (ubunti ?) |
| 20:47.06 | Nikosgr | nice |
| 20:47.08 | Nikosgr | ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 20:47.11 | Flimzy | I'm going to be setting up a local community web site... The main goal of the site is to promote community discussion about the local school district. I want some simple features: An easy-for-an-idiot-to-use interface so the public can post comments/discussion, and some minimal moderation ability (basically to block flamatory/obscene posts). I want it to be simple to set up. Can anyone recommend a good program for this? or at the very |
| 20:47.11 | Flimzy | least, a good "category" of programs for this? (Would this be considered a wiki, for instance,or something else?) |
| 20:47.20 | goron | I changed unstable to testing in my sources.list and did apt-get update && apt-get install anjuta;anjuta, but anjuta crashes. Is switching from unstable to testing the cause? I never installed anjuta on this machine before. |
| 20:47.29 | Nikosgr | ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 20:47.53 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, reiser |
| 20:47.59 | Nikosgr | why? |
| 20:47.59 | cureless | Flimzy: various routes you can take. 1. wiki, 2. CMSs, 3. BBSs, 4. mailing list + archives. |
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| 20:48.14 | cureless | Nikosgr: ext3. why? just to confuse you a little more. |
| 20:48.17 | Nikosgr | and how big? |
| 20:48.22 | Nikosgr | lol cureless |
| 20:48.25 | Nikosgr | please tell me |
| 20:48.26 | stew | goron: someone else was in here today complaining about anjuta crashes, check the bts |
| 20:48.32 | Nikosgr | iam confused fine today |
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| 20:48.38 | cureless | Nikosgr: do this, erase all partitions you don't need. Then let the installer choose everything for you. |
| 20:48.39 | goron | stew: I was going too, ty. |
| 20:48.50 | Flimzy | cureless: 4 would be too "archaic" for the average user I see visiting the site. Are there good web-based BBSes out there? (I haven't used a "BBS" since my 2400bps modem). And what is CMS? Community Management System (a guess)? |
| 20:48.54 | Nikosgr | can instalelr decide for itself? |
| 20:48.57 | r0b0 | Nikosgr, both ext3 and reiserfs are very good.. whichever you choose is OK |
| 20:49.06 | Nikosgr | ok then |
| 20:49.28 | cureless | Flimzy: By BBS I meant the BB part. So something like a php forum system. |
| 20:49.38 | Nikosgr | iam gonna burn the iso no |
| 20:49.42 | Nikosgr | wish me good luck! |
| 20:49.42 | mc__ | Flimzy, cms=content management system |
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| 20:49.51 | Nikosgr | if i dotn make it |
| 20:49.56 | Nikosgr | i waont sleep today |
| 20:50.00 | Nikosgr | :) |
| 20:50.03 | cureless | Flimzy: the hot program right now is joomla, previously known as mambo. |
| 20:50.04 | Flimzy | cureless: Oh, sure... like phpBB... I've seen that. that would work. |
| 20:50.40 | cureless | Flimzy: another option is plone. |
| 20:51.04 | Flimzy | cureless: Have you used any such programs personally? |
| 20:51.09 | cureless | Flimzy: one thing is for sure, you need to keep up with security updates, this will be the first place they will get you. |
| 20:51.39 | Flimzy | cureless: heh, alrighty |
| 20:51.45 | cureless | Flimzy: I used to rum mambo, now I've switched to a wiki (moinmoin). We run plone at work, but I find it complex and not very useful. moinmoin is much better for simple stuff. |
| 20:52.00 | Flimzy | cureless: Simple is good for this project. |
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| 20:52.13 | Flimzy | is moinmoin simpler than mambo/joomla? |
| 20:52.17 | cureless | Flimzy: it might not have the "moderation" features you want. |
| 20:52.24 | goron | stew: There are a lot of outstanding bugs for Anjuta. Crashing reports are among them. |
| 20:52.40 | cureless | Flimzy: yes, moinmoin = wiki.debian.org |
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| 20:52.54 | stew | goron: you get lots of super awesome bonus points if you start a debugger and post a patch! :) |
| 20:52.54 | Flimzy | cureless: As long as I can delete "bad" posts, or edit them, that should be sufficient. I don't necissarily need the ability to authorize posts before they become public. |
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| 20:53.14 | cureless | Flimzy: joomla = www.joomla.org |
| 20:53.32 | Flimzy | cureless: I wonder if a BB would have a smaller learning curve than a wiki for the general public |
| 20:53.32 | goron | stew: Actually, I would probably be able to do that. What is Anjuta implemented in? C++? |
| 20:53.36 | Tassium | Flimzy: Avoid any of the *nuke derivatives |
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| 20:53.50 | mc__ | Flimzy, typo is nice |
| 20:53.58 | cureless | Flimzy: don't know. All of my users are very skilled, they're just really lazy. |
| 20:53.58 | stew | goron: honestly i don't even know what anjuta does |
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| 20:54.18 | tpr | hmm, really lost here with the ident, it just doesnt want to work |
| 20:54.18 | Flimzy | I think I set up phpBB once, as a test.. never took it live anywhere. Maybe that would be a good piece of software to use. |
| 20:54.21 | goron | stew: Last time I checked it was a pretty broken GTK based C/C++ IDE> |
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| 20:54.59 | hydride | how do I get the kernel headers for 2.4.20-021stab028.19.777-enterprise |
| 20:55.00 | hydride | ? |
| 20:55.19 | cureless | hydride: where is that kernel from? |
| 20:55.30 | dli | I want to put a flexible debian installation/rescue system on a usb stick? how much space is needed? I have an 1gb one |
| 20:55.34 | Flimzy | hydride: Is enterprise the name of your pc? As in U.S.S.? |
| 20:55.39 | hydride | cureless, it's what I got on my VPS |
| 20:55.48 | Flimzy | hydride: And do you have a matching case mod? :P |
| 20:55.52 | hydride | Flimzy, don't think so |
| 20:55.54 | epictetus | usb boot is a bitch |
| 20:56.09 | Tassium | epictetus: But the puppies are cute. |
| 20:56.09 | Flimzy | hydride: Probably install the 2.4.20 headers. Hopefully they don't have any custom kernel mods that will make those not work for your needs. |
| 20:56.10 | lamer11468625567 | not really. |
| 20:56.24 | dli | epictetus, you can always make your grub to load usb, if bios doesn't support it |
| 20:56.28 | stew | hydride: you ask whomever compiled it for the headers |
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| 20:56.32 | hydride | Flimzy, the only headers I can find are 2.4.27 |
| 20:56.38 | cureless | dli: do you want to have a live system or a installer? |
| 20:56.42 | Flimzy | hydride: Then you're not looking in the right place :p |
| 20:56.46 | ktwilight | epictetus: autofs does well in it |
| 20:56.50 | Flimzy | hydride: kernel.org will definately have what you want. |
| 20:56.57 | hydride | just download the kernel source? |
| 20:56.57 | dli | cureless, just installer and for rescuing |
| 20:56.58 | Flimzy | hydride: Altho not debianized. But you can still make it work |
| 20:57.09 | hydride | 1337, I just need it to build asterisk |
| 20:57.12 | ktwilight | is there a way to auto on Numlock? |
| 20:57.18 | cureless | dli: if you want an installer you can download an image from the debian website. |
| 20:57.24 | hydride | thanks |
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| 20:57.38 | stew | hydride: why do you need to bulid asterisk? |
| 20:57.46 | dli | cureless, yes, but I want it also be a rescuer, if something goes bad on disk |
| 20:58.05 | hydride | stew, I got two wireless sip phones, I'm gonna be in bc for four months, I want to be able to call my girlfriend |
| 20:58.22 | stew | !wayc hydride |
| 20:58.22 | dpkg | hydride: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 20:58.48 | cureless | dli: you can install on a usb drive with no problem, the problem is the booting part. I haven't read much about it to tell you how to do it with debian. You can probably just try to write an image from a different distro. |
| 20:58.52 | unity | hey does anyone know if there is a command-line or screen based pdf viewer? |
| 20:59.08 | Flimzy | cureless, et al: thanks for the input. has been helpful! |
| 20:59.08 | hydride | I think the apt-get version of asterisk requires asterisk-addons, which doesn't come in apt-get |
| 20:59.14 | Blissex | unity: pdf2ascii? :-) |
| 20:59.15 | epictetus | i use fbgs |
| 20:59.18 | dli | cureless, syslinux loads kernel |
| 20:59.18 | cureless | Flimzy: good luck, and remember to check for updates. |
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| 20:59.22 | hydride | when I google debian + asterisk they are all building asterisk |
| 20:59.23 | epictetus | it's a framebuffer based pdf viewer |
| 20:59.26 | stew | hydride: no, that would be against debian policy |
| 20:59.39 | unity | Blissex: ok thx |
| 20:59.46 | hydride | stew, I'm not too good at this kinda stuff, but I'm pretty sure that's whats happening |
| 20:59.48 | stew | hydride: a package in main cannot depend on a package that isn't in main |
| 20:59.51 | hydride | when I install asterisk I can't get it to run |
| 20:59.51 | ktwilight | nvidia doesn't like framebuffer, right? |
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| 20:59.56 | cureless | dli: I know how linux is loaded, I just haven't seen atomatic debian usb installers. (I haven't looked) |
| 21:00.34 | stew | hydride: i'm using asterisk, just apt-get install asterisk ; and configure it; the configuring it is the hard part, but compiling it isn't going to make configuring it any easier |
| 21:00.48 | stew | hydride: and you don't need kernel headers to compile asterisk in the first place |
| 21:01.00 | hydride | stew, from what I've been reading you do |
| 21:01.07 | hydride | I'll try apt-getting it though |
| 21:01.23 | stew | hydride: you don't |
| 21:01.24 | dli | cureless, I will see whether I can make one capable of doing both gentoo and debian |
| 21:01.43 | johnsu01 | stew: don't you need kernel headers to compile the driver for the dummy device though? |
| 21:01.59 | hydride | I think zaptel requires it |
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| 21:02.26 | cureless | dli: possible. The booting part is the only complex part. a usb-stick iirc is treated as a floppy for booting, which is what makes multi-booting a more complex thing since it's not so simple to partition. But like I said, I haven't looked into it. |
| 21:02.32 | hydride | stew, can you give me a hand in setting up a basic wifi sip phone to wifi sip phone setup? |
| 21:02.37 | hydride | I got to have this done by sunday |
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| 21:02.59 | cureless | dli: the other option is to install some live distro, then inside it have a deboostrap. |
| 21:03.08 | stew | hydride: zaptel might require kernel sources. do you plan on usinzaptel devices? |
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| 21:03.26 | hydride | no, but moh and conferencing requires it :/ |
| 21:03.27 | dli | cureless, knoppix to install debian? |
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| 21:03.44 | stew | johnsu01: i don't know how the debian package would be built if it depended on specific kernel headers |
| 21:04.08 | cureless | dli: whatever it takes. :-) But if you want to be pure debian the best thing to do is to google for some info first. It might already be done and I'm just talking bull. |
| 21:04.23 | johnsu01 | stew: I didn't remember if there was a binary package or not. Been a while. |
| 21:04.32 | stew | !info asterisk |
| 21:04.34 | dpkg | asterisk: (Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX) - dummy package), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.7.1.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 213 kB, Installed size: 560 kB |
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| 21:06.00 | cureless | dli: try this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 21:06.03 | AnsiC | conoscete un canale di linux leggermente democratico ? |
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| 21:06.32 | cureless | !it |
| 21:06.32 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:06.42 | AnsiC | a hops |
| 21:06.48 | cureless | don't really know if it's italian. |
| 21:07.28 | cureless | though I don't know if it's a "democratic" channel. |
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| 21:09.14 | toetag | I seem to have both apache and apache2 on my system. I want to disable apache starting and just use apache2. Where do I control this? |
| 21:09.30 | cureless | toetag: uninstall apache |
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| 21:09.46 | toetag | apt-get remove apache |
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| 21:10.01 | thingfish | heh |
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| 21:10.10 | nkuttler | toetag: to disable it's start man update-rc.d or install rcconf |
| 21:10.18 | toetag | ? I truly don't need apache. I tried that once thought, and after my upgrade it resurrected |
| 21:10.43 | dli | which kernel is used for the current stable installation? |
| 21:11.00 | thingfish | dli: 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:11.03 | toetag | kk thanks |
| 21:11.06 | dli | thingfish, thanks |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | or 2.4.27 |
| 21:11.09 | stew | 2.4.27-3 and 2.6.8-3 |
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| 21:11.17 | abrotman | stew: they didn't redo the installers yet |
| 21:11.17 | thingfish | oh yeah, right abrotman |
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| 21:11.22 | thingfish | forgot about that one. |
| 21:11.23 | abrotman | so it's still -2- |
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| 21:11.29 | stew | oh |
| 21:11.30 | stew | right |
| 21:11.34 | dli | stew, then, I will try to make my own kernel |
| 21:11.41 | stew | dli: why? |
| 21:11.44 | cureless | dli: why? |
| 21:11.51 | dli | stew, more hardware support |
| 21:11.53 | abrotman | !irritate cureless |
| 21:11.53 | dpkg | cureless: wenas who uses dvd kk |
| 21:11.53 | stew | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 21:11.53 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 21:11.59 | seb__ | help! i upgraded kernel and now i get kernel-panics! |
| 21:12.07 | cureless | lol wenas. |
| 21:12.10 | dli | stew, that's good, 2.6.15 is enough for me |
| 21:12.11 | abrotman | rescue! .. use the old working kernel |
| 21:12.14 | stew | seb__: can't mount root? |
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| 21:12.30 | seb__ | abrotman: apt-get upgrade looks like it blew away old kernel |
| 21:12.34 | abrotman | no it didn't |
| 21:12.35 | cureless | dli: is this for your usb thing? |
| 21:12.39 | seb__ | abrotman: (i don't see it in grub boot menu) |
| 21:12.50 | stew | seb__: what kernel version is failing? |
| 21:12.50 | abrotman | it didn't blow it away .. you might have .. it didn't |
| 21:12.53 | dli | cureless, yes, planning the path way :( |
| 21:12.55 | toetag | seb: you shoulda done an apt-get dist-upgrade maybe? |
| 21:12.56 | stew | abrotman: it might have |
| 21:13.00 | cureless | dli: use unstable :-) |
| 21:13.02 | abrotman | no way .. |
| 21:13.06 | alex] | is there any hope for making onboard sound devices work ? |
| 21:13.11 | stew | abrotman: way |
| 21:13.11 | alex] | in debian that is |
| 21:13.14 | dli | cureless, why should I rescue with unstable :( |
| 21:13.15 | cureless | alexk_: what do you mean? |
| 21:13.29 | abrotman | stew: no hu-way |
| 21:13.33 | stew | abrotman: didn't a new version of 2.6.16-1 come out recently? |
| 21:13.34 | cureless | dli: unstable is not really "unstable" it's the upgrading and package mix that it's unstable. |
| 21:13.48 | EdLin | cureless: are you on crack? |
| 21:13.50 | abrotman | stew: silly me .. i assumed stable .. |
| 21:13.59 | cureless | EdLin: it's for a usb boot rescue thing. |
| 21:14.00 | abrotman | stew: i need my head checked |
| 21:14.06 | dli | cureless, it's still unstable |
| 21:14.15 | alex] | cureless i mean i'd like to make my sound device work |
| 21:14.17 | alex] | its onboard |
| 21:14.18 | seb__ | abrotman: i'm on stable and just did a apt-get upgrade..i don't see multiple kernels when i reboot :( |
| 21:14.20 | stew | abrotman: in fact one did yesterday, and another on mayday |
| 21:14.21 | toetag | seb: you can probably boot off any old cd then mount your hard disk and chroot to the old root and repair things |
| 21:14.32 | cureless | alex]: most of them work out of the box. |
| 21:14.33 | EdLin | cureless: regardless of what its for that doesn't justify confusing people about unstable |
| 21:14.34 | toetag | seb: but there may be an easier way |
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| 21:14.41 | alex] | i see |
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| 21:14.47 | dli | cureless, kernel part is okay, 2.6.15 has been stable for long |
| 21:15.07 | seb__ | toetag: i can boot into debian recovery mode...i did that i installed another kernel (686) but it panic'd too |
| 21:15.16 | abrotman | stew: but he's using stable ... |
| 21:15.23 | EdLin | s/its/it\'s/ |
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| 21:16.05 | cureless | EdLin: but on that note I haven't had unstable _crash_ on me. |
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| 21:16.19 | toetag | seb: this is a bit over my head but stick around there may be someone here at some point who can help |
| 21:16.32 | EdLin | cureless: unstable has gotten screwed up before to the point that you couldn't even log in |
| 21:16.34 | Seb | toetag: you mean seb__ |
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| 21:17.03 | stew | there are too many seb*'s |
| 21:17.17 | toetag | seb-with-kernel-panic |
| 21:17.18 | cureless | EdLin: even if that's so, that's because of upgrades. A working unstable is not "unstable". |
| 21:17.41 | stew | seb__: do you get "VFS: can't mount root" or some such? |
| 21:17.44 | EdLin | cureless: well, a working unstable like that also is insecure |
| 21:17.49 | abrotman | seb: /nick bessie ... please :) |
| 21:17.54 | stew | seb__: and what kernel version is it? |
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| 21:18.02 | seb__ | stew: i got "interrupt handler not syncing" |
| 21:18.14 | cureless | EdLin: it's for a usb rescue system. |
| 21:18.15 | seb__ | stew: 686 kernel 2.6.8 i think |
| 21:18.21 | Seb | abrotman: huh ? :) |
| 21:18.22 | seb__ | abrotman: who is bessie? |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | seb__: not you |
| 21:18.32 | abrotman | seb: humor me :) |
| 21:18.34 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:18.37 | abrotman | wait .. wrong person! |
| 21:18.40 | abrotman | oh well .. good enough |
| 21:18.42 | bessie | hi |
| 21:18.45 | bessie | i'm bessie |
| 21:18.48 | Seb | abrotman: most definitely :D |
| 21:18.51 | EdLin | cureless: that I don't doubt, but you don't have to confuse a newbie about what "unstable" means. |
| 21:18.52 | cureless | do the sebs have different problems? Or is it one seb with a problem and another just getting the replies? |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | Seb: happy now ? :) |
| 21:18.59 | abrotman | ack! |
| 21:18.59 | Seb | muuuuch better |
| 21:19.04 | Seb | cureless: no pb so far, heh |
| 21:19.05 | seb---- | me too |
| 21:19.25 | Seb | seb----: make it --seb ;) |
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| 21:19.36 | seb---- | Seb: that's my sword |
| 21:19.43 | cureless | EdLin: he didn't seem like that much of a newbie, but nevermind, I lost, he's triying stable with 2.6.15 |
| 21:19.44 | seb---- | Seb: i don't want to cut myself |
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| 21:20.45 | abrotman | another?!!? |
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| 21:20.54 | Seb | shessh |
| 21:20.57 | Seb | sheesh even |
| 21:21.13 | abrotman | shessh .. now in pink! |
| 21:21.17 | EdLin | we're being sebjected to a seb overload |
| 21:21.24 | abrotman | !smack edlin |
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| 21:21.53 | EdLin | !mhallsmite abrotman |
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| 21:22.12 | EdLin | phoey, someone took away the nuclear option |
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| 21:22.35 | SlayerXP | EdLin: you could ask me to have a word. |
| 21:23.04 | sandman | Can one modprobe from a chroot? |
| 21:23.04 | EdLin | !SlayerXPsmite abrotman |
| 21:23.10 | EdLin | :-) |
| 21:23.25 | SlayerXP | no automation here, I provide a personalised service |
| 21:23.48 | abrotman | !abrotmansmite edlin |
| 21:23.52 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:24.03 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I understand that EdLin has a superior taste in south african wines than yourself. |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | EdLin: the mhallsmite was a victim of the niceness police |
| 21:24.19 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i'm .. stumped |
| 21:24.32 | ekkikrist | looks like the heat got to you guys. |
| 21:24.40 | abrotman | heat? |
| 21:24.48 | abrotman | it was only .. like 77 here today |
| 21:24.51 | abrotman | 77F |
| 21:24.52 | abrotman | smartasses |
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| 21:24.54 | sandman | Is it okay to generate all locales? |
| 21:25.02 | abrotman | i suppose so ... |
| 21:25.09 | SlayerXP | sandman: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 21:25.19 | cureless | but not my endorsement. |
| 21:25.21 | abrotman | it will probably take a bit of time |
| 21:25.32 | abrotman | and it's not really going to do much for you |
| 21:25.34 | EdLin | sandman: what you do in the privacy of your own home is none of our business |
| 21:26.06 | sandman | You know how sometimes text appears are squares? |
| 21:26.15 | SlayerXP | except if you're female and cute. |
| 21:26.18 | sandman | Is that because I don't have the font to represent the character? |
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| 21:26.24 | abrotman | sandman: have you tried using UTF8 ? |
| 21:26.27 | sandman | Or are locales actually codepages? |
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| 21:30.36 | wam | Is there a ready-to-use thing (tm) which enables my users on the server to run scripts on server-startup (like for root in /etc/rc?.d)? The scripts should be run under the corrosponding user-id. I'm thinking of doing it myself - like a rc-script with prio 99, that scans /etc/passwd and calls for each user $HOME/init.d/[sorted list of files] if available. Am I reinventing the wheel? |
| 21:31.29 | cureless | wam: good question. I haven't seen something out there, but it should be straight forward. |
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| 21:31.55 | cureless | wam: normally what I've seen is cron jobs that check for running programs and restart them if they're not there. |
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| 21:32.43 | wam | The reason is: I'm having many users who have some servers running - like zope. They're checking via crontab now. But this is not clean and I don't like it. I think, a init.d - like solution would rock... |
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| 21:33.26 | wam | cureless: exactly that's like it's going right now. |
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| 21:34.16 | cureless | wam: well, the advantage of the cronjobs is that they start programs when they crash, etc. Your script wouldn't do that |
| 21:34.39 | wam | cureless: nor would my /etc/rc3.d/apache do that. |
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| 21:35.13 | cureless | wam: I don't know what you or your users do with apache :-) |
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| 21:35.35 | wam | cureless: do you think, runlevel-dependent start-dirs will be necessary? Just because I have two multi-user runlevels (2 and 3)? I'd say: keep it simple and just make a init.d. |
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| 21:35.51 | myren | how do i find out what runlevel my system is running at? |
| 21:36.01 | wam | myren: `runlevel` |
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| 21:36.44 | cureless | wam: well, I don't know. Maybe you could force users to have ~/etc/rcX.d directories. |
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| 21:39.08 | wam | cureless: mpf - I'm not sure how it's clean. I have my /etc/init.d-directory, where NO scripts are executed (except manually). And I have my /etc/rc?.d - dirs where scripts ARE executed automatically. So I think, it's not obvious for the users, that their scripts will be run from ~/etc/init.d. But I don't want the overhead of ~/etc/rc{1,2,3,4,5,6,S,0}.d for my users. Is there a /standard/-dir for "always start"? |
| 21:39.49 | wam | ...and stop ;) |
| 21:40.26 | cureless | wam: you mean like /etc/rcS.d? |
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| 21:40.47 | wam | cureless: isn't that for the single-user runlevel? |
| 21:40.48 | pksl | i failed |
| 21:41.04 | pksl | i added to debian.iso one tar file |
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| 21:41.17 | pksl | an on reboot i got Image Checksum Error |
| 21:41.21 | pksl | :( |
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| 21:41.42 | cureless | wam: read the README |
| 21:41.46 | pksl | i rebooted and remove the tar file from iso with poweriso |
| 21:41.54 | pksl | saved |
| 21:41.56 | wam | cureless: good idea ;) |
| 21:41.57 | pksl | reboot |
| 21:42.09 | pksl | and them Image Checksum Error again :( |
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| 21:42.31 | wam | cureless: damn. good idea. I'll have a $HOME/etc/rcS.d. |
| 21:42.45 | wam | cureless: and maybe also rc0.d and rc6.d. I hate it. |
| 21:42.53 | MatBoy | can someone tell me what a good laptop is with a 10" screen ? |
| 21:43.12 | cureless | wam: hey, don't look at me, you're the one that came up with this crazy idea. |
| 21:43.21 | pksl | i destoyed 2 dvd and didnt do anything |
| 21:43.28 | Serinity | My debian server stable just crashed :( almost a year without a problem and... crash! :(( |
| 21:43.32 | wam | cureless: no offence ;) Thanks for helping |
| 21:43.43 | cureless | wam: np, good luck. |
| 21:43.47 | MatBoy | Serinity, charshed ? on what ? |
| 21:44.12 | MatBoy | erm crashed* |
| 21:44.22 | cureless | MatBoy: where do you live? |
| 21:44.28 | MatBoy | europe |
| 21:44.31 | Serinity | apparently there was an I/O error communicating with a usb drive which prevented the kernel to write pages |
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| 21:44.41 | Serinity | and everything started to fuck up |
| 21:44.45 | pksl | cureless, |
| 21:44.50 | Serinity | I guess i'll publish the log soon |
| 21:44.51 | cureless | MatBoy: I've heard some of the fujitsu laptops are really nice. |
| 21:44.54 | pksl | is there a way i can boot those dvds? |
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| 21:45.12 | MatBoy | cureless, yep that's true |
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| 21:45.26 | cureless | MatBoy: some of them don't come to the US though. |
| 21:45.33 | cureless | (by themselves) |
| 21:45.44 | cureless | pksl: what? what dvds? |
| 21:45.58 | nikosgr | see above |
| 21:46.03 | nikosgr | the debian netinstalaltion |
| 21:46.07 | MatBoy | cureless, ok! |
| 21:46.44 | cureless | MatBoy: otherwise I would suggest some of the small thinkpads, dunno how lenovo has changed things and what sizes the offer. |
| 21:47.01 | MatBoy | aha, that's a very good idea |
| 21:47.03 | cureless | MatBoy: the other option, not available in the US is some of the samsungs |
| 21:47.08 | MatBoy | I always forget that name |
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| 21:47.54 | cureless | nikosgr: I've no idea what you are doing adding tars to isos. |
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| 21:48.13 | oskie | what's the command to change home directory from a script? |
| 21:48.18 | oskie | home directory for some account |
| 21:48.24 | nikosgr | cureless, wanted to backup my webpage in there |
| 21:48.43 | nikosgr | i removed them next |
| 21:48.51 | nikosgr | adn saved again the .iso |
| 21:48.57 | nikosgr | like the orginal was |
| 21:49.01 | nikosgr | but Image Checksum Error again :( |
| 21:49.26 | cureless | oskie: usermod maybe? |
| 21:49.31 | oskie | cureless: ah. thanks! |
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| 21:49.58 | cureless | nikosgr: I'm still lost. I don't know what you are trying to do or how you are trying to do it. |
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| 21:50.06 | goron | Is there some apt option which also installs all the "recommended packages"? |
| 21:50.20 | EdLin | goron: aptitude or dselect do that |
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| 21:50.27 | nikosgr | with poweriso i just inserted a tar file to .iso |
| 21:50.43 | cureless | goron: aptitude -r |
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| 21:50.58 | goron | EdLin: so, I now have a use for aptitude. Who'd have thought that? ;) |
| 21:51.19 | EdLin | goron: you don't need to use the menus, just put in "aptitude install foo" |
| 21:51.20 | nikosgr | cureless, is this anyway it will work? |
| 21:51.30 | nikosgr | any way to boot this? |
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| 21:51.44 | cureless | nikosgr: what is poweriso? |
| 21:51.51 | Supaplex | I have a semi-automated ssh invocation I'd like to run on a $random machine. I tried using dns, but ssh naturally freaks out when the keys differ. Am I stuck with writing some shim to pick one at random? |
| 21:51.57 | nikosgr | iso tool in xp |
| 21:51.57 | goron | EdLin: I know, but somehow I have this feeling that aptitude fucks up my system. |
| 21:52.06 | cureless | nikosgr: I don't do XP. |
| 21:52.07 | goron | EdLin: Probably not rational, though. |
| 21:52.28 | cureless | nikosgr: and a tar is not going to boot anyway. |
| 21:52.53 | seb- | abrotman: 'appletalk' crap can cause a kernel panic on sarge ..i.e. netatalk package |
| 21:52.54 | cureless | Supaplex: you can tell ssh to ignore the key problems. |
| 21:52.54 | EdLin | goron: if you *always* use aptitude to install, aptitude does not misbehave. Unfortunately otherwise it can |
| 21:52.59 | nikosgr | i removed it |
| 21:53.48 | cureless | nikosgr: donwload a debian iso image, boot the debian iso image, that's what you need. |
| 21:54.11 | nikosgr | well i have it |
| 21:54.13 | nikosgr | now as it was |
| 21:54.15 | goron | EdLin: Why? |
| 21:54.17 | nikosgr | but it wont boot |
| 21:54.24 | cureless | nikosgr: you need to burn the image to a cd. Don't add, remove or otherwise tweak the image. Check that the md5 is correct if you need to. |
| 21:54.55 | cureless | nikosgr: if you opened the image in _any_ program other than the burning program at the time of burn then the image might not be the same. |
| 21:54.56 | Supaplex | ssh -i foo `host bar | head -n 1 | awk '{print $4}'` does the trick :) |
| 21:55.27 | nikosgr | yes cureless |
| 21:55.42 | cureless | nikosgr: yes what? |
| 21:55.56 | nikosgr | you are right |
| 21:56.10 | nikosgr | so even though i removed the tar and resaved the iso |
| 21:56.17 | nikosgr | it aint original :( |
| 21:56.42 | EdLin | goron: because part of what aptitude installs is what package sets have been installed, if its lacking that information occasionally it will get confused. That sucks. |
| 21:57.01 | cureless | nikosgr: maybe it is, but since 1. I don't know the program, 2. I don't trust windows, 3. I don't know about your system. I can't tell. |
| 21:57.21 | cureless | nikosgr: chances are it's not the same. You're free to check with a checksum program. |
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| 21:57.50 | stew | < seb__> stew: i got "interrupt handler not syncing" <- try booting the kernel with noapic maybe? |
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| 21:57.55 | stew | i don't know why seb is which anymore |
| 21:58.01 | goron | EdLin: apt and aptitude are both in base, right? If so, then I would say this is pretty lame from a user perspective. |
| 21:58.04 | nikosgr | cureless, iam on x now how do i check the chesum of the image? |
| 21:58.29 | es0 | what command can I use (or file can I look at) to determine the exact version/release of my running kernel? |
| 21:58.41 | cureless | nikosgr: I don't know. Sometimes the burning program will calculate it for you. Then you can check to the one on the website where you don'tloaded the image from. |
| 21:58.44 | goron | es0: uname -a |
| 21:58.52 | wam | Supaplex: are you absolutely sure, that your "host"-command always outputs the ip as awk's $4? And why don't you let ssh resolve? |
| 21:58.53 | EdLin | goron: aptitude, apt-get, and dselect all have some metadata that the others don't. This is a problem. |
| 21:59.04 | nikosgr | cureless, give me a sid link plz |
| 21:59.32 | goron | EdLin: so a patch with compatibility would be appreciated, right? |
| 21:59.40 | cureless | nikosgr: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+sid |
| 21:59.45 | es0 | <sigh> Gosh, I actually knew that. I was thinking too hard. thanks. |
| 21:59.46 | EdLin | goron: sure :-) |
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| 22:00.23 | goron | EdLin: Ah, well, we don't live in a cathedral, so I can understand why it is the way it is now. |
| 22:00.53 | goron | I just started ddd on /usr/bin/emacs... how the hell does it know emacs source code? |
| 22:01.14 | jonas23 | okay i have figured out a good solution to my problem from yesterday |
| 22:01.37 | wam | damn. eminem generates a heap overflow in my brain when I turn up basses to max. And i really don't like that sound. But the basses. THEY REALLY MAKE ME FARJUMP. [sorry for interrupting with OT] |
| 22:01.52 | jonas23 | chroot /target /bin/sh was segfaulting (it even segfaulted from other live cds) |
| 22:01.59 | jonas23 | but chroot /target /sbin/grub works |
| 22:03.12 | nikosgr | cureless, its ok to install sid? |
| 22:03.27 | EdLin | nikosgr: iyntays |
| 22:03.32 | cureless | nikosgr: you should probably stick to sarge (stable) |
| 22:03.33 | nikosgr | ? |
| 22:03.41 | EdLin | !iyntays |
| 22:03.55 | EdLin | !iyhtays |
| 22:03.55 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 22:04.24 | goron | Hmm, nm, I think I build it with debugging symbols.. |
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| 22:04.34 | hardwire | word |
| 22:04.52 | nikosgr | whats wrong if i try sid instead off sarge? |
| 22:05.11 | EdLin | nikosgr: sid breaks |
| 22:05.22 | wam | nikosgr: nothing. Just use it on your home-pc which is not for production use. |
| 22:05.32 | nikosgr | yes its for home use |
| 22:05.37 | hardwire | anybody built a custom d-i cd image here? |
| 22:05.39 | nikosgr | it just has newer packages |
| 22:05.39 | cureless | nikosgr: sid changes. It might be hard to get help if you run sid and don't know your way around (sid=unstable) |
| 22:05.46 | hardwire | hoping to add atleast console support for dmraid init |
| 22:05.53 | hardwire | and an initramfs that cares about it |
| 22:06.11 | wam | nikosgr: use it to learn where problems could come from. But just don't expect a stable system. And before you try it: LEARN THE GOOD PLACES TO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL |
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| 22:06.24 | cureless | nikosgr: sid changes _every_day_, sometimes X might not work, etc. You don't want that unless you know what you're doing. |
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| 22:06.55 | nikosgr | cureless, i dotn knwo what iam doing |
| 22:06.58 | nikosgr | iam a new linxu user |
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| 22:07.24 | wam | nikosgr: without at least a few years of experience with debian you DON'T want sid. |
| 22:07.34 | cureless | nikosgr: that's why you might want to stay with debian stable for a bit. |
| 22:07.54 | nikosgr | yes cureless |
| 22:07.58 | nikosgr | yes wam |
| 22:08.05 | nikosgr | ill downlaod sargw |
| 22:08.11 | nikosgr | netinstall or full cd? |
| 22:08.16 | wam | nikosgr: netinstall |
| 22:08.22 | nikosgr | why? |
| 22:08.41 | wam | nikosgr: when you have net access it's faster than downloading packages in the iso that you don't need. |
| 22:08.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:08.47 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 22:10.52 | jonas23 | has anyone here set up debian with / on a raid 0 and /boot in a normal place before? |
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| 22:11.15 | nikosgr | thanks cureless |
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| 22:11.42 | jonas23 | /boot is on /dev/sda1 and i want grub to live in superblock /dev/sda but it doesn't seem to be taking |
| 22:12.01 | piper69 | stew: i installed gpm and it worked fine untell when i switch consles it stop working even in gnome can you help me please |
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| 22:18.53 | blondie | ANOTHER irc user?P! |
| 22:18.54 | blondie | -P |
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| 22:20.07 | wam | OT: and whoever really loves jazz and wants to get a REAL thing :try 'Ted Rosenthal': "Jesu joy of mans desiring". |
| 22:20.27 | thingfish | meh |
| 22:20.31 | anotherircuser | ^^ |
| 22:21.25 | wam | this is one of the greatest interpretations I ever heard |
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| 22:24.20 | thingfish | I guess everybody is out having happy hour. |
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| 22:25.12 | Ts0p | i installed gpm and it worked fine untell when i switch consles it stop working even in gnome can you help me please |
| 22:25.38 | thingfish | gpm? does anyone actually use that anymore? |
| 22:26.09 | Ts0p | thingfish what are you using? |
| 22:26.44 | thingfish | Ts0p: to use mouse in console? |
| 22:26.51 | wam | Ts0p: you could dpkg-reconfigure -plow gpm and answer "restart gpm while x is running" with yes. Does that help? |
| 22:28.06 | yassine | hello everyone |
| 22:28.39 | yassine | is this correct PATH=~/bin:~/db/bin:"${PATH}" to add the ~/db/bin to the users path ? |
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| 22:33.01 | xomhau | re hi |
| 22:33.50 | xomhau | how add a button into firefox toolbar ? ( i.e: gaim ) |
| 22:33.52 | znx | yassine: that looks correct.. as long as the path ~/db/bin exists in each users dir.. |
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| 22:34.53 | seb- | where get monitor refresh rates to use for XF86Config file? |
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| 22:35.01 | JacksonBrown | Mike led the mare to a near-by wall where a rope would be tied around her neck and the other end of the rope would be tied to the wall. |
| 22:35.04 | JacksonBrown | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.07 | JacksonBrown | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.11 | JacksonBrown | I had my attention focused on the stallion penis becoming slowly erect. |
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| 22:35.25 | jonas23 | does anyone here have debian installed with / on a raid0 device? |
| 22:35.27 | seb- | where get monitor refresh rates to use for XF86Config file? |
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| 22:35.28 | alex116 | what do I do if I program wont die with "kill -15 pid"? |
| 22:35.39 | fellacious | kill -9 -1 |
| 22:35.39 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: that's a really bad idea. |
| 22:35.41 | fellacious | of course |
| 22:35.47 | alex116 | har har |
| 22:35.49 | fellacious | alex116: kill -9 -1 pid |
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| 22:35.51 | yassine | Seb, thanks |
| 22:35.56 | jonas23 | dondelelcaro, why is it really bad? |
| 22:36.08 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: because if one drive goes, your data is toast. |
| 22:36.12 | jonas23 | no its not |
| 22:36.16 | jonas23 | my OS is toast |
| 22:36.17 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: sure it is. |
| 22:36.19 | jonas23 | no, its not |
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| 22:36.27 | jonas23 | my data is on a raid5 volume |
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| 22:36.49 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to have / on a raid 0 volume; no part of it is going to be hit that often |
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| 22:37.27 | fellacious | dondelelcaro: wtf?? |
| 22:37.33 | fellacious | everything is under / |
| 22:37.43 | jonas23 | everything that is getting hit is gonna be there |
| 22:37.45 | fellacious | so of course a part of / is going to get hard |
| 22:37.45 | dondelelcaro | fellacious: we're talking about just the system bit of / |
| 22:37.52 | jonas23 | system and programs |
| 22:38.03 | jonas23 | /home is elsewhere |
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| 22:38.20 | EdLin | jonas23: a server should have a lot more than /home on a seperate partition |
| 22:38.24 | dondelelcaro | almost anything on / that you're going to be loaded is going to end up in the filesystem cache anyway |
| 22:38.25 | jonas23 | its not a server |
| 22:38.29 | fellacious | would be nice if you had multiple roots to talk about this easier |
| 22:38.43 | fellacious | say, c: for system and user data |
| 22:38.50 | fellacious | d: for removable media |
| 22:38.59 | fellacious | a: for phloppiez |
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| 22:39.05 | jonas23 | =P |
| 22:39.06 | dondelelcaro | fellacious: then you get into the insanity of drive remaping. It's rediculous. |
| 22:39.20 | seb- | what app detects best settings for X config file? |
| 22:39.45 | jonas23 | i'm saying that since I have the drives to waste, i'd like to put my OS on raid0 |
| 22:39.57 | cureless | Seb-: X -configure |
| 22:40.00 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: if you've got drives to waste, use 1+0 |
| 22:40.05 | alex116 | seb use the specifications from the manufacturer of your monitor. |
| 22:40.07 | fellacious | seb-: ubuntu livecd |
| 22:40.10 | seb- | cureless: thanks |
| 22:40.13 | cureless | seb-: though normally the best settings are done by hand. |
| 22:40.17 | jonas23 | 1+0 takes more drives |
| 22:40.20 | jonas23 | i have the drive to waste |
| 22:40.23 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: in any event, you can do a root raid0, but you have to have a /boot that isn't, so the kernel can be loaded. |
| 22:40.27 | jonas23 | okay, i know you're trying to help.. |
| 22:40.31 | jonas23 | i know that |
| 22:40.32 | thingfish | I would think you'd want to put /boot on maybe a small ide drive and then do your other drives raidwhatever. |
| 22:40.41 | seb- | alex: ibm.com didn't have those details on thinkpad spec page |
| 22:40.43 | jonas23 | okay current "setup" (not working) |
| 22:40.49 | jonas23 | /dev/sda1 has /boot |
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| 22:41.06 | jonas23 | / is on md0 made up of /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3 |
| 22:41.16 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: and you've written out the raid configuration to the superblocks? You've got raid0 compiled into the kernel? |
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| 22:41.34 | jonas23 | it's interesting you should ask |
| 22:41.40 | jonas23 | because i've never gotten to the point where i can get grub even installed |
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| 22:41.47 | alex116 | seb- do you still have the documents you got with the monitor? it should have them. I was lucky/smart to keep mine( i usually throw them away) |
| 22:41.56 | anonimasu | hm, does anyone have a clue where I can find xorg packages? |
| 22:42.13 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: uh... installing grub is trivial... you just drive the process manually, and tell it to install on the mbr of /dev/sda |
| 22:42.14 | thingfish | anonimasu: for what, sarge? |
| 22:42.15 | alex116 | isn't it called xorg-server or something? |
| 22:42.16 | quitte_ | seb-: 60hz are ok for a tft |
| 22:42.26 | jonas23 | dondelelcaro, well.. |
| 22:42.40 | jonas23 | if it's trivial it should not be the only step of failure in the installer |
| 22:42.52 | thingfish | alex116: xserver-xorg, actually. |
| 22:42.52 | anonimasu | thingfish: 3.1.. |
| 22:42.58 | alex116 | ah close |
| 22:43.00 | jonas23 | do you know what is installed by "Standard System"? |
| 22:43.21 | thingfish | anonimasu: only place I know of is backports.org. but beware - on my system at least, it wants to uninstall gnome. |
| 22:43.24 | seb- | quitte_: thanks,,it is at 60hz now but won't let me do 1024x768 :( |
| 22:43.27 | anonimasu | hm, I cant seem to find it.. |
| 22:43.30 | anonimasu | argh.. |
| 22:43.39 | anonimasu | thingfish: guess it's compile time ^_^ |
| 22:43.42 | alex116 | seb- you know how to configure your file I hope? |
| 22:43.57 | alex116 | *by hand |
| 22:43.58 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: what is the actual failure message that you're getting? |
| 22:43.59 | jonas23 | dondelelcaro, i've used the debian installer to do all of the raid volume creation, etc... it seemed to work okay.. does the initrd that it will give me not handle creating the raid devices? |
| 22:44.08 | seb- | alex: yes.if i can find the horiz and vert frequencies |
| 22:44.16 | jonas23 | dondelelcaro, it's the "chroot /target /sbin/grub-install "(hd0)" failed |
| 22:44.18 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: you'll almost definetly have to use a custom kernel |
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| 22:44.29 | ed_ | anyone using athlon 64? |
| 22:44.36 | ed_ | what does uname -a give? |
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| 22:44.40 | anonimasu | or maybe I should just let it install gnome.. |
| 22:44.41 | thingfish | ed_: #debian-amd64 |
| 22:44.42 | jonas23 | that seems kinda odd though |
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| 22:44.44 | seb- | alexk_: that was for you |
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| 22:44.50 | anonimasu | im lazy today :) |
| 22:45.00 | seb- | alexll: that was for you |
| 22:45.01 | jonas23 | you don't need to lump that stuff up in the kernel if you have an initrd |
| 22:45.05 | seb- | alex116: that was for you |
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| 22:45.11 | jonas23 | i figured that debian's initrd would handle it |
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| 22:45.24 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: you can make it work without one, but you'll have to drive the grub installation process manually, and make sure that the initrd that you've created has the proper modules. |
| 22:45.33 | ZombB | ed_, Linux Uranus 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 #2 Tue Mar 7 06:53:26 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:45.33 | thingfish | anonimasu: it doesn't require gnome, it wants to remove it. |
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| 22:45.47 | thingfish | anonimasu: the xorg from backports, I mean. |
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| 22:45.54 | ed_ | ZombB, hummm the nvidia drivers complain because of the arch |
| 22:45.56 | jonas23 | okay.. |
| 22:46.04 | anonimasu | thingfish: ah.. |
| 22:46.06 | ed_ | you ahve the same arch in there as i do... |
| 22:46.14 | jonas23 | the installer shouldn't allow me to set an md as / then |
| 22:46.25 | jonas23 | because there is no facility with which to do any of this through the installer |
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| 22:46.41 | jonas23 | the other thing i've had a problem with is that using chroot /target (any shell here) seg faults |
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| 22:47.04 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: eh? That shouldn't happen... |
| 22:47.13 | jonas23 | which severely hampers my abilities to use the cd as a boot strapper and then fix my system |
| 22:47.22 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: it's finished debootstraping /target, right? |
| 22:47.33 | destian | I get the message |
| 22:47.34 | jonas23 | i don't know.. does it finish that before or after the grub install step? |
| 22:47.35 | destian | ups |
| 22:47.39 | jonas23 | the grub install step is when it fails... |
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| 22:48.12 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: it should have finished it before... but if you're not able to chroot into target, it sure sounds like you either haven't finished bootstraping it, or /target doesn't have the root filesystem mounted on it. |
| 22:48.25 | ZombB | ed_, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 22:48.32 | jonas23 | the "Select and install software" step finishes |
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| 22:48.45 | jonas23 | i have tried doing this a number of times |
| 22:48.46 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: then droping to a shell and chroot target; should just work. |
| 22:49.00 | dondelelcaro | jonas23: does cat /proc/mounts indicate that target is really /dev/md0? |
| 22:49.08 | jonas23 | /dev/md/0 |
| 22:49.12 | anotherircuser | hello ! is it possible to run xgl on a x1400 ?? thanks ! |
| 22:49.25 | jonas23 | which is.. the same? i'm currently in another iteration of trying to get this to work |
| 22:49.32 | jonas23 | so .. i'll have control over this again in 11m40s |
| 22:49.35 | ed_ | ZombB, thanks |
| 22:49.49 | Durin | jonas23:i had the same effect (grub install fails), here it was the SATA settings in the BIOS!?!? |
| 22:49.53 | destian | I get the message "Firefox is already running, but is not responding..." when i run the command "firefox" and there is already an instance open. It should just "attach" to the already running session and open a new window? I have the problem since 1.5.0.3 and afaik that's a prob many have. |
| 22:49.57 | jonas23 | Durin, oh?? |
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| 22:50.05 | jonas23 | what were the SATA settings and how did you modify them so that it worked? |
| 22:50.08 | thingfish | anotherircuser: who knows. I don't even know that xgl is in debian yet. |
| 22:50.15 | Durin | searched for half a day :-( |
| 22:51.17 | jonas23 | do you remember what you had to change? |
| 22:51.31 | Durin | jonas23: i couldn't use native mode, had to use legacy mode with sata enabled |
| 22:51.31 | Azar | Durin, SATA is somewhere on a submenu in BIOS, if I am not mistaken at the IRQ, cautiously search every menu |
| 22:51.59 | jonas23 | aahh! i had to do that on a dell at work, but that was just to see the drives at all |
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| 22:52.46 | dondelelcaro | yes, that's only for 2.6.8 on some machines; that setting shouldn't matter for the newer etch d-i's. |
| 22:53.01 | Durin | jonas23: with native i could do all (partition, fscking, debootstrap, ...) but installing grub always failed |
| 22:53.16 | jonas23 | yes, i am experiencing something similar i suppose |
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| 22:56.00 | jonas23 | unfortunately though i don't see any settings like that in my bios |
| 22:57.01 | Azar | jonas23: then it depends on your machine's BIOS, not all BIOS are the same, some are not even allowing Linux |
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| 22:57.08 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 22:57.38 | Fox_1_ | is there any javascript debuger under debian and if yes, which is better(under X)? |
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| 22:57.50 | MrBallZ | I need some sugestions, I have to replace the main hard drive wich contains , / , swap , /home, and I was thinking on having /home , on a separate drive, and the system and swap in another one, could the drive for / , swap, be a small one, or whats recommended ... |
| 22:58.07 | jonas23 | i'm pretty sure this one allows linux though |
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| 22:58.14 | lsuactiafner | swap can be anywhere |
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| 22:58.31 | lsuactiafner | anyone every tried put a swap on an nfs share just for the sake of it? |
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| 22:58.46 | jonas23 | i've had no swap at all a few times |
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| 22:59.29 | tobzter | whats the best way to install sarge on sata drives? |
| 22:59.42 | jonas23 | patience apparently |
| 22:59.45 | streuner | tobzter: using newer kernels? |
| 22:59.54 | Azar | jonas23: it is good to have swap |
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| 23:00.00 | tobzter | i tried to install sarge on the disks in ide mode |
| 23:00.06 | tobzter | installed a new kernel |
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| 23:00.20 | tobzter | but now when i want to create an initrd |
| 23:00.35 | tobzter | mkinitrd doesnt include the necessary modules.. |
| 23:00.49 | streuner | tobzter: why not using backports? |
| 23:00.52 | tobzter | because it checks /etc/fstab for what modules are needed.. |
| 23:00.55 | Azar | tobzter: grub takes care of the new kernel |
| 23:01.16 | tobzter | whats backports? |
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| 23:01.34 | Azar | sarge > new kernel > ? what kernel? |
| 23:01.41 | streuner | !backport |
| 23:01.41 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:02.12 | tobzter | 2.6.16.14 |
| 23:02.15 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 23:02.22 | Azar | ew ewwwwwwwwww puah |
| 23:02.31 | Azar | tobzter: you are nuts |
| 23:02.36 | tobzter | ;) |
| 23:02.38 | tobzter | y? |
| 23:02.45 | Azar | tobzter: this is debian, not gentoo |
| 23:02.50 | tobzter | hehe |
| 23:02.53 | streuner | !tell tobzter about return |
| 23:03.26 | Azar | tobzter: in sarge, the highest kernel working is 2.6.8 to get a higher ( but ! 2.6.16) use backports |
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| 23:04.50 | tobzter | ok thank Azar |
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| 23:05.46 | Fox_1_ | Azer: hi. where are you from? |
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| 23:07.48 | Azar | jonas23: take this device as an example: AMD PIC 's BIOS blocks linux: "[Our kit lets customers create BIOSes that] verify images before booting them, or [that] require a running OS to 'check in' with the BIOS from time to time. If it doesn't, the BIOS assumes that malicious code has taken over (just as an example) |
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| 23:08.36 | jonas23 | that's interesting |
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| 23:08.52 | jonas23 | but when i boot a live cd |
| 23:08.55 | jonas23 | i'm obviously running linux |
| 23:09.11 | Azar | jonas23: you might want to ask the manufacturer of your PC or your chipset, whatever if linux can be installed on your machine |
| 23:09.37 | Azar | jonas23: you merely "play" a cd.... not running the os on your machine |
| 23:10.08 | jonas23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.13 | MrBallZ | how big should a hdd ahs be , to have " / " and swap ? |
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| 23:10.23 | Azar | eww my other PC is making a terrible noise I guess is fan time |
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| 23:10.49 | tobzter | MrBallZ: swap is optimal twice the size of your ram |
| 23:10.59 | Azar | MrBallZ: I guess the swap size should be over the double of your RAM size |
| 23:11.12 | jonas23 | depends on your ram size and what you're doing |
| 23:11.16 | Azar | swap is good for good performance |
| 23:11.34 | jonas23 | if its unused? |
| 23:11.43 | Azar | jonas23: it will be allways used |
| 23:11.49 | Azar | not by him, by the system |
| 23:12.17 | dli_ | the installation disk hangs at, "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'Linux ATA DISK'... |
| 23:12.42 | Azar | jonas23, MrBallZ read this: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 23:12.45 | tobzter | sorry but when you said to use a 2.6.8 kernel did you mean to apt-get install a kernel? |
| 23:12.50 | dli_ | the progress bar shows 84%, with "Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives" |
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| 23:13.32 | Azar | tobzter: apt-cache search kernel-image , you will see many 2.6.8 there, pick the kernel-image proper for your CPU type then aptitude install kernel-ima......... |
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| 23:14.43 | tobzter | sorry i am not at my debian machine at the moment.. but are there kernel sources in the apt tree? |
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| 23:15.11 | Azar | tobzter: for each version of Debian there are kernels in the repositories, ready compiled |
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| 23:15.33 | Azar | in Sarge I used 2.6.8, in Etch I use 2.6.15 |
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| 23:16.08 | tobzter | hmm :/ i need to configure the kernel myself |
| 23:16.26 | dli_ | if I want kernel to load ide-cd auto at booting, how do I do it in kernel parameter? |
| 23:16.36 | dirk_ | tobzter: there are also kernel sources in the debian repositories |
| 23:16.50 | tobzter | ok |
| 23:16.54 | Azar | tobzter: is ok but use the kernel version that will work for your Debian version. Or use backports to force a higher kernel in |
| 23:17.06 | dirk_ | tobzter: apt-cache search kernel-source for sarge |
| 23:17.19 | tobzter | k thx to you all |
| 23:17.23 | Azar | dirk_: those are pre-compiled he wants to compile his own |
| 23:17.38 | dirk_ | they are not compiled |
| 23:17.46 | dirk_ | kernel-image is compiled |
| 23:17.56 | Azar | ah kernel-sources... |
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| 23:20.01 | dirk_ | tobzter: if you are running etch or sid you should look for linux-source in stead of kernel-source |
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| 23:20.12 | Ts0p | guys please help me with my mouse it stop working since i tried and installed gpm |
| 23:20.20 | Ts0p | now it wont work at all |
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| 23:21.12 | dirk_ | Ts0p: what if you remove the package? |
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| 23:21.36 | Ts0p | dirk_ i don't know |
| 23:22.06 | Ts0p | dirk_ i didn't try that? how would i remove it? |
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| 23:22.18 | dirk_ | apt-get remove gpm |
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| 23:23.40 | thingfish | Ts0p: apt-get remove --purge gpm |
| 23:24.03 | Ts0p | dirk_:that worked ...thank alot..but what if i want o use the mouse in one of the consols |
| 23:24.04 | Ts0p | ? |
| 23:24.27 | thingfish | Ts0p: just don't. |
| 23:24.44 | dirk_ | Ts0p: don't know that, but now you can search for a manual online |
| 23:25.06 | dirk_ | Ts0p: i never used gpm :) |
| 23:25.39 | thingfish | yeah that's like something from the old days. |
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| 23:27.33 | abrotman | Ts0p: it creates too many problems :) |
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| 23:28.06 | Ts0p | abrotman hey man where have you been |
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| 23:28.10 | abrotman | thingfish: make me catfish! |
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| 23:28.23 | abrotman | Ts0p: trying to drive a GTI .. but the stupid dealership closed at 6 |
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| 23:28.52 | Ts0p | abrotman hahahah they probpably want to go get the free beer tonight |
| 23:29.11 | thingfish | abrotman: it does sound good, doesn't it. |
| 23:29.17 | abrotman | car shopping really sucks |
| 23:29.20 | abrotman | thingfish: i have cornmeal! |
| 23:29.24 | thingfish | but I'm out of hot sauce. |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | guess i should have stopped at the grocer |
| 23:29.35 | thingfish | so do I! :) |
| 23:29.51 | abrotman | i don't have flour though .. oh well |
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| 23:30.20 | thingfish | you don't want to use flour on catfish... |
| 23:30.35 | abrotman | thingfish: you can .. but i never have .. but i've been wanting to try it |
| 23:30.38 | thingfish | although actually corn starch works in a pinch. |
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| 23:31.00 | setuid | What's the dpkg option to show what options were used to build a package? (like --prefix=/foo and such) |
| 23:31.12 | abrotman | setuid: get the source package .. look in the rules file |
| 23:31.32 | thingfish | abrotman: do you have some tomatoes/tomato paste? thyme? cumin? bay leaf? make a sort of gumbo. it'd be great if you had okra, too. |
| 23:31.54 | thingfish | oh dammit now I want fried okra. |
| 23:31.57 | abrotman | thingfish: if i had fish ... |
| 23:32.04 | abrotman | i'm out |
| 23:32.05 | thingfish | I can eat bushels of that stuff. |
| 23:32.08 | simonrvn | goddamn bunch of sexist lusers in #perl |
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| 23:32.17 | abrotman | ECHAN ? |
| 23:32.24 | thingfish | we had cod last night. |
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| 23:33.05 | jonas23 | trying the install this time without raid0 |
| 23:33.06 | striker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.10 | thingfish | est-ce que vouz aimez boogie-woogie? |
| 23:33.17 | simonrvn | non |
| 23:33.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 23:33.29 | thingfish | :/ |
| 23:33.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:34.14 | simonrvn | che' pas c'est quoi |
| 23:34.23 | setuid | crap |
| 23:34.23 | thingfish | god if it weren't for queer people madonna woulda never made it. we're the only ones who buy her records. |
| 23:34.33 | setuid | losetup/cryptsetup don't support aes256 |
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| 23:34.43 | simonrvn | like cher |
| 23:34.46 | thingfish | aack |
| 23:34.49 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:34.53 | myboxen | stew: it worked |
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| 23:35.13 | thingfish | cher was only good back when she did that variety show with her ex. |
| 23:35.23 | simonrvn | sonny and cher? oh boy |
| 23:35.24 | mhall | When using memory mapped files, how does one get around the fact that there are only 32 bits of addressing for memory pages? |
| 23:35.26 | setuid | before he hit the tree? |
| 23:35.27 | thingfish | ok, well backports thunderbird is a bust... |
| 23:35.32 | abrotman | thingfish: that says something about your taste :) |
| 23:35.41 | abrotman | striker: why can't you ? |
| 23:35.55 | striker | abrotman, it says, no disk found |
| 23:35.59 | thingfish | abrotman: I make no apologies for my taste, or lack thereof. |
| 23:36.12 | simonrvn | i'm old enough to remember that shite ... (sorry thingfish) |
| 23:36.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:36.41 | thingfish | it was actually a good show. |
| 23:37.00 | abrotman | striker: which installer ? |
| 23:37.07 | simonrvn | when is something on tv a good show? ;p |
| 23:37.08 | thingfish | carol burnett was better, though. |
| 23:37.10 | striker | debian sarge updated last week. |
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| 23:37.21 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: crap .. you're older than me |
| 23:37.31 | striker | abrotman, I have to add something at boot? now I'm installing the amd64 ones |
| 23:37.33 | simonrvn | '72 |
| 23:37.41 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 23:37.41 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 23:37.43 | thingfish | speaking of poke...I harvested a bunch of poke this afternoon, gonna cook it up tonight. |
| 23:38.02 | abrotman | is that what you call him? |
| 23:38.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:38.40 | thingfish | it's a plant that grows wild around here. |
| 23:38.40 | mhall | When using memory mapped files, how does one get around the fact that there are only 32 bits of addressing for memory pages? |
| 23:38.45 | striker | abrotman, thank you. :) |
| 23:39.06 | abrotman | mhall: don't make me tell you about repeat :) |
| 23:39.10 | abrotman | mhall: PAE ? |
| 23:39.11 | simonrvn | very carefully? |
| 23:39.15 | mhall | thingfish: what does it taste like? |
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| 23:39.27 | mhall | abrotman: intel-specific? |
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| 23:39.49 | abrotman | mhall: doubtful since AMD XP CPUs do it too |
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| 23:40.02 | thingfish | mhall: it's kind of unique. it has this twang to it, maybe a little bit tannic. it's really way way better than spinach, that I can tell you. |
| 23:40.10 | mhall | abrotman: ah i thought it was intel-only |
| 23:40.13 | abrotman | !pae |
| 23:40.19 | mhall | thingfish: ah, i kinda hate all vegetables |
| 23:40.20 | abrotman | mhall: check at wikipedia |
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| 23:40.27 | mhall | abrotman: i believe you |
| 23:40.33 | thingfish | mhall: well then why did you ask. :/ |
| 23:40.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:40.46 | mhall | thingfish: i wasn't sure what it was |
| 23:40.53 | thingfish | mhall: it's also a blood purifier and tonic. |
| 23:40.56 | mhall | abrotman: works a lot better than mplayer for me |
| 23:41.08 | __che__ | is there somebody here named "SteveMcIntyre" - please contact me :) |
| 23:41.19 | mhall | abrotman: but maybe i'm just retarded |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | mhall: go to your local VW dealer .. ask them for the GTI brochure .. it's a DVD .. xine won't play it |
| 23:41.22 | thingfish | that's not the che from #fedora, is it? |
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| 23:41.39 | thingfish | he'd not be caught dead in #debian. |
| 23:41.51 | mhall | thingfish: i'm guessing it's guevara |
| 23:42.04 | thingfish | mhall: viva la revolucion! |
| 23:42.08 | abrotman | and i'm pretty sure gstreamer won't be able to do it |
| 23:42.14 | mhall | thingfish: si |
| 23:42.23 | comsa | is there someone there named ELL |
| 23:42.26 | thingfish | I'm all for castro and all that shit. |
| 23:42.35 | mhall | abrotman: have you got... libdvdcss |
| 23:42.41 | thingfish | cigars and stuff. |
| 23:42.44 | mhall | abrotman: what error messages do you get in an xterm |
| 23:42.45 | abrotman | mhall: maybe not ... |
| 23:42.54 | abrotman | mhall: wait .. trying gstreamer |
| 23:42.56 | mhall | abrotman: but you'd think they'd not CSS such a title |
| 23:43.05 | mhall | !libdvdcss |
| 23:43.06 | dpkg | [libdvdcss] NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh, or see <marillat> |
| 23:43.08 | abrotman | that was a total failure :) |
| 23:43.30 | thingfish | libdvdcss2 |
| 23:43.34 | thingfish | marillat |
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| 23:43.49 | myboxen | kde has a tool to su through icons, does Gnome have an equivalent? |
| 23:43.54 | mhall | abrotman: i never had much luck with gstreamer, nor did others i talked with |
| 23:43.55 | __che__ | hey guys I am here to pick up an idea for a google SoC ! |
| 23:43.58 | myboxen | oh, the tool is kdesu |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | myboxen: gksu |
| 23:44.07 | mhall | __che__: i have one |
| 23:44.24 | mhall | __che__: fully object oriented file system |
| 23:44.39 | mhall | __che__: i have a proposal, a rationale, some principles, and a uml design |
| 23:44.40 | abrotman | __che__: read planet.debian.org .. i think people listed a few debian oriented ones |
| 23:44.50 | __che__ | mhall: I mean, I need a mentor with idea |
| 23:44.59 | abrotman | mhall: libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/abrotman/.dvdnav/VW_PROJECT_FAST.map |
| 23:45.07 | mhall | __che__: yeah i know. maybe you can get somebody to do it. |
| 23:45.11 | abrotman | mhall: i'm using libdvdread |
| 23:45.16 | mhall | abrotman: hmm strange |
| 23:45.22 | abrotman | mhall: says it's encrypted |
| 23:45.24 | thingfish | man, why is it that I have to drive at least 20 minutes for good ribs. |
| 23:45.27 | mhall | abrotman: did you try VLC yet? |
| 23:45.30 | Azar | bah what can make such an ugly noise on my PC? if is idle makes noise if I use high graphics games, the noise stops |
| 23:45.33 | mhall | thingfish: where do you live again |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | mhall: not installable in etch |
| 23:45.45 | mhall | Azar: that's sick and twisted |
| 23:45.49 | mhall | abrotman: shit |
| 23:45.55 | thingfish | mhall: southeastern suburb-rural kansas city missouri. |
| 23:45.56 | mhall | !why is vlc not in etch |
| 23:45.56 | dpkg | mhall: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:46.05 | Azar | mhall :) I guess it's only because it is cinco de mayo |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 23:46.05 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 23:46.18 | thingfish | oh shit yes I should be eating mexican. |
| 23:46.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:46.27 | Azar | tequilla |
| 23:46.30 | mhall | thingfish: that's fucked up that you can't get bbq in fucking KC |
| 23:46.30 | abrotman | not that i will be |
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| 23:46.31 | dli_ | when doing netinstall, I got "bad archive mirror" |
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| 23:46.50 | abrotman | pick another |
| 23:46.50 | thingfish | but it just doesn't sound good. plus I have to drive *30* minutes to get good mexican. |
| 23:46.50 | dli_ | it happens to all mirrors I tried |
| 23:47.01 | bernat | debian en espaņol??? |
| 23:47.01 | mhall | !libdvdcss2 |
| 23:47.01 | dpkg | well, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh, or see <marillat> |
| 23:47.03 | abrotman | bah .. i don't want libdvdcss |
| 23:47.05 | dli_ | abrotman: even at ftp.us.debian.org |
| 23:47.09 | Azar | !es |
| 23:47.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:47.13 | __che__ | checkout this: "Create a Python/GTK/QT app to manage Debian BTS: would queue actions and then send an e-mail to the BTS to commit changes, make it easier to browse bugs, cross-reference, tag/update/close, etc" |
| 23:47.13 | abrotman | dli_: maybe your network is broken ? |
| 23:47.20 | mhall | abrotman: what's the problem with it? |
| 23:47.21 | thingfish | mhall: oh I can, it's just that out here in the suburbs all we have is pretenders. to get the real stuff, you gotta go into the city. |
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| 23:47.35 | mhall | thingfish: ya the burbs are like that in CA too |
| 23:47.36 | thingfish | I want BigT's. |
| 23:47.38 | abrotman | mhall: i live in .us ? :) |
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| 23:47.51 | dli_ | abrotman: should be the installation disk problem. nothing looks wrong in "ifconfig", "route" though |
| 23:47.53 | abrotman | i have a DVD player .. guess i'll use it |
| 23:47.55 | mhall | abrotman: well despite what they say i think it's pretty much legal |
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| 23:48.02 | abrotman | mhall: YANAL |
| 23:48.12 | dli_ | abrotman: and ping is not available in netinstall disk, anyway to test? |
| 23:48.26 | mhall | abrotman: you're perfectly free to be a conspiracy theorist if you like |
| 23:48.28 | abrotman | ifconfig -a ? |
| 23:48.42 | abrotman | mhall: YANAL :) .. i have a DVD player five feet from me :) |
| 23:49.02 | mhall | abrotman: IANALBIPOOTI |
| 23:49.11 | dli_ | abrotman: yes, "ifconfig" and "route" show correct things, but "route" seems to be very slow, indicting broken network |
| 23:49.18 | mhall | dli_: no |
| 23:49.22 | mhall | dli_: indicating broken DNS |
| 23:49.31 | mhall | dli_: h4x0r resolv.conf |
| 23:49.38 | abrotman | mhall: you're a BOOB ? |
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| 23:49.40 | dli_ | mhall, and /etc/resolv.conf reads correct |
| 23:49.50 | abrotman | arp ? |
| 23:49.55 | mhall | abrotman: i am not a lawyer but i play one on the internet |
| 23:50.02 | __che__ | what is lintian/linda doing? |
| 23:50.10 | mhall | dli_: then route should run fine unless the lookups are failing |
| 23:50.14 | dli_ | abrotman: arping not available in netinstall :( |
| 23:50.15 | abrotman | mhall: right .. BOOB :) |
| 23:50.17 | mhall | dli_: run with -n to get raw IPs |
| 23:50.30 | mhall | abrotman: if you say so |
| 23:50.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:50.37 | streuner | abrotman: are you drunk? |
| 23:50.43 | Seb | <homer> hmmmm, boobs </homer> |
| 23:50.53 | abrotman | streuner: should i be? |
| 23:50.57 | seb- | abrotman: i did your instant backport recipe on matplotlib/testing and matplot/sid and 'apt-get -b source python2.4-matplotlib' barfed on both :( |
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| 23:51.04 | abrotman | streuner: normally .. when drunk .. i'm not on IRC |
| 23:51.11 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:51.17 | abrotman | seb-: hey .. it was just an idea .. don't shoot me! |
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| 23:51.22 | thingfish | try it some time, it's fun :) |
| 23:51.25 | streuner | abrotman: that's a yes/no question, you should be able to answer that :-) |
| 23:51.27 | abrotman | seb-: though errors are helpful |
| 23:51.32 | dli_ | mhall you are right, DNS is down, but maybe worse, I couldn't connect to anyone |
| 23:51.34 | abrotman | streuner: i think i did |
| 23:51.42 | dirk_ | seb-: do you have python2.4 in sarge? |
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| 23:51.55 | thingfish | although it's far too easy to make a fool of ones self on irc when boozed. |
| 23:51.56 | mhall | dli_: ya alright. let's start with the beginning. |
| 23:52.08 | mhall | dli_: did you test the port on something else known to work |
| 23:52.11 | dli_ | mhall: they should include ping in netinstall .iso |
| 23:52.12 | seb- | dirk_: yes |
| 23:52.13 | mhall | dli_: what kind of net card |
| 23:52.15 | thingfish | but then, that's what other channels are for. :) |
| 23:52.25 | mhall | dli_: they should include a lot of things on the iso that they don't |
| 23:52.39 | dli_ | mhall: I downloaded the kernel and initrd for netinstall, and the business card iso |
| 23:52.41 | seb- | dirk_: is there some way to make everything default to python2.4? ( i got 2.3 and 2.4 both) |
| 23:52.49 | mhall | dli_: what kind of network card |
| 23:53.01 | dli_ | mhall: b44 (broadcom) |
| 23:53.17 | dirk_ | seb-: I don't know, i'm just reading the python tutorial |
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| 23:53.21 | mhall | dli_: 4400. that should work OK. |
| 23:53.23 | jonas23 | okay here's my grub error |
| 23:53.31 | mhall | dli_: what version of debian CDs |
| 23:53.32 | jonas23 | The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly |
| 23:53.37 | mhall | dli_: 2.6 kernel or 2.4 |
| 23:53.37 | dli_ | mhall, and it shows "UP", in ifconfig |
| 23:53.38 | seb- | dirk_: ah, i know python well..ask me a question! :) |
| 23:53.41 | dirk_ | seb-: i just noticed that there are multiple versions in debian testing/sid |
| 23:53.48 | seb- | dirk_: yes |
| 23:53.49 | mhall | dli_: i know, i saw that part. |
| 23:53.54 | dli_ | mhall: the netinstall is 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:54.00 | mhall | dli_: it's just, your situation's weird so i want to be pedantic |
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| 23:54.43 | dli_ | mhall, yes, I want to make a usb stick for both gentoo and debian, gentoo works now |
| 23:55.05 | seb- | dirk_: just a sec |
| 23:55.37 | mhall | dli_: ok. so. dhcp network or static? |
| 23:55.47 | dli_ | mhall: static |
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| 23:57.05 | thingfish | dli_: they have pills now that can help you with your gentoo problem. |
| 23:57.06 | mhall | dli_: can you ping toward the debian machine from another box |
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| 23:57.11 | mhall | dli_: instead of from the debian box |
| 23:57.23 | dli_ | mhall: yeah, good idea |
| 23:57.30 | mhall | thingfish: not funny. debian is failing to work on his box. get off his nuts about gentoo. |
| 23:57.44 | simonrvn | then you have a psychotic break. really fun. </not> |
| 23:57.51 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:58.06 | thingfish | mhall: sorry, just being a little lighthearted here on this end. |
| 23:58.17 | mhall | thingfish: me too. hence 'get off his nuts' |
| 23:58.22 | dli_ | mhall, even arping <IP> doesn't work |
| 23:58.27 | mhall | dli_: wow |
| 23:58.36 | mhall | dli_: that's hella bojanked man |
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| 23:59.01 | mhall | dli_: let's see. dmesg the box and look for funny errors? |
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| 23:59.33 | mhall | dli_: check if the ethernet switch is happy with the link (and the lan card lights if you have some) |
| 23:59.43 | thingfish | mhall: oh now don't start talking to me about nuts ;) |
| 23:59.52 | dli_ | mhall: one moment |
