| 00:00.13 | mhall | thingfish: why not. if it takes one to know some you're the perfect person to ask |
| 00:00.31 | mhall | >:-) |
| 00:00.34 | thingfish | hehe I knew I liked you for a reason... |
| 00:00.43 | mhall | thingfish: lol |
| 00:00.54 | thingfish | ;) |
| 00:00.56 | dli_ | mhall must be some kernel thing |
| 00:01.25 | mhall | dli_: what version of CDs did you try |
| 00:01.29 | dli_ | mhall: I now remember some old b44 bugs, no connection with the eth0 |
| 00:01.37 | dli_ | mhall: it's a usb stick |
| 00:01.38 | bbb | I am trying to compile bsvc (an m68k simulateur) under debian sid. I get a lot of error about C++ syntax as for instance : expected ',' or '...' before '&' token. Anyone with an idea how to compile a program with standard C++ ? |
| 00:01.38 | mhall | dli_: i might be able to give you something better |
| 00:01.51 | mhall | dli_: what version of system image then |
| 00:02.09 | mhall | dli_: it's almost the same for a stick as it is for a cd anyway |
| 00:02.12 | dli_ | mhall: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/2.6/ |
| 00:02.43 | thingfish | poor brittany spears...how long before she puts on 30 lbs and ruins her voice from smoking too many virginia slims. |
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| 00:03.34 | streuner | are you a fan of her? |
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| 00:05.48 | dli_ | mhall: I will try etch :) |
| 00:05.57 | dli_ | mhall: easier than debugging |
| 00:05.59 | mhall | dli_: hold on |
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| 00:06.09 | mhall | dli_: i'll give you a link i'm 99% sure will work |
| 00:06.29 | dli_ | mhall: okay |
| 00:07.59 | thingfish | I swear I'm going to trade this rural life for inner city access to ethnic restaurants and dsl. |
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| 00:08.09 | mhall | dli_: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/di/images/daily |
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| 00:08.27 | thingfish | I mean, I want to hear either ebonics or spanish when I go out. |
| 00:08.58 | mhall | thingfish: ya i'm gonna be bummed when i have to start my new job and live in the burbs |
| 00:09.14 | mhall | thingfish: because i'm not very good at chatting up potential prospects |
| 00:09.16 | dli_ | mhall: it's "d-i" |
| 00:09.28 | mhall | thingfish: so the suburb messes stuff up |
| 00:09.36 | thingfish | mhall: can't blame you though because these days one can't afford to drive all over the place. |
| 00:09.47 | mhall | dli_: yeah i tried to paste but i'm on console and console mouse isn't quite working right |
| 00:10.00 | mhall | thingfish: ya the job is in the burbs too though |
| 00:10.26 | thingfish | well of course, mhall - that's why you moved there. |
| 00:10.52 | mhall | thingfish: er sorry i misread what you said a little bit earlier on |
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| 00:11.09 | dli_ | mhall: can I use the business card iso instead of the mini.iso ? |
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| 00:11.25 | thingfish | mhall: the state I'm in, who knows what I'm saying or meaning hehe |
| 00:11.35 | thingfish | actually I'm only a little boozy. |
| 00:11.50 | thingfish | I was getting overboard there for a while. |
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| 00:11.59 | hedpe | does anyone know about Prism support in the 2.4.32 kernel? |
| 00:12.16 | mhall | dli_: whatever works right is fine. technically usb sticks use boot.image.gz i think |
| 00:12.21 | mhall | thingfish: how did it come about |
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| 00:12.59 | thingfish | mhall: how did what come about? |
| 00:13.24 | dli_ | mhall: I follow the howto: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 00:13.28 | mhall | thingfish: that you were off the chain hyped up on liquor |
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| 00:13.49 | myboxen | abrotman: thanks, its working like a charm |
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| 00:14.39 | mhall | dli_: go in joey's hd-media directory and there's a boot image file |
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| 00:15.03 | mhall | dli_: then like you said copy in the iso |
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| 00:15.12 | thingfish | mhall: I don't know, really. I kind of think it's in the nature of alcohol. It will creep up on you if you let it. |
| 00:15.17 | mhall | dli_: which iso you pick is going to be based on couple of things |
| 00:15.36 | mhall | dli_: how much network downloading do you want to do once you are set up and running |
| 00:15.54 | gberardi | For a long time I've just ignored the audio delay with Flash. I haven't found much information online about it, but I thought I would give it a good shot and try to get it to work correctly. Is the Flash audio delay something fixable, or should I finally give up looking for answers online? |
| 00:16.18 | dli_ | mhall: I want to do download over net, but still want a reasonable set of tools for rescue |
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| 00:18.10 | mhall | dli_: ok, one sec |
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| 00:19.21 | mhall | dli_: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i |
| 00:19.33 | mhall | dli_: the latest and greatest, which i predict will work on your box |
| 00:19.42 | dli_ | mhall works already :) within the 99% majority |
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| 00:20.01 | dli_ | mhall: very good, it even detects my ipw2200 wireless |
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| 00:21.05 | mhall | dli_: woah that's above and beyond the call |
| 00:21.07 | dli_ | mhall: I will keep it :) as you said, use whatever works |
| 00:21.16 | mhall | dli_: i'm sorry i didn't link to you it quicker |
| 00:21.24 | mhall | dli_: i'm hung over and moving very slowly |
| 00:21.28 | mhall | dli_: and my eyes feel funny |
| 00:21.43 | jonas23 | ..... |
| 00:21.45 | dli_ | mhall: I copied the vmlinuz and initrd, nothing more, it works |
| 00:21.47 | mhall | dli_: and i'm on console with broken console mouse --> no pasting |
| 00:21.50 | jonas23 | i'm getting really tired of this problem :( |
| 00:21.57 | mhall | !+ask |
| 00:21.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:21.58 | dli_ | mhall: thanks a lot already |
| 00:22.02 | jonas23 | chroot just doesn't work |
| 00:22.13 | mhall | dli_: yeah i always use those images |
| 00:22.26 | mhall | dli_: and since it's like the most recent kernel, it works very well |
| 00:22.26 | jonas23 | "chroot /target /bin/true" -> segmentation fault |
| 00:22.30 | dli_ | mhall: another question, can I can this bootable usb stick from windows98? without any access to linux |
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| 00:22.51 | mhall | dli_: can I can this bootable usb stick? |
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| 00:22.58 | mhall | dli_: word missing there somewhere |
| 00:23.05 | dli_ | mhall: can I make :) |
| 00:23.23 | mhall | dli_: ah. hmm. try rawrite. but i don't know if it works on sticks. |
| 00:23.41 | mhall | dli_: other than that, cygwin has dd but i dunno how to use it on drive letters. |
| 00:23.47 | mhall | dli_: one other idea. hold on. |
| 00:23.53 | dli_ | mhall okay |
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| 00:24.28 | mhall | dli_: unxutils.sf.net has some goodies you can play with. |
| 00:25.15 | Wordan | I am trying to understand mail delivery on linux and configuring debian. Anybody know of a place to look, which explains in english? Having trouble with the initial learning curve... |
| 00:25.28 | zak_ | google |
| 00:25.53 | Wordan | thanks for that... i was hoping for a better suggestion |
| 00:26.05 | Wordan | more specific suggestion rather |
| 00:26.09 | dli_ | mhall, okay, need to find syslinux |
| 00:26.13 | mhall | Wordan: i need to know in what way you want to understand |
| 00:26.22 | mhall | Wordan: and what specific stuff you want to understand |
| 00:26.28 | jonas23 | .... |
| 00:26.30 | jonas23 | okay well |
| 00:26.33 | mhall | dli_: i think they use it on the boot CDs |
| 00:26.35 | jonas23 | i guess debian just can't install onto my machine |
| 00:26.40 | mhall | dli_: it's sorta tricky |
| 00:26.41 | jonas23 | :( |
| 00:26.44 | mhall | jonas23: hold on |
| 00:27.12 | mhall | jonas23: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i |
| 00:27.18 | seb- | anyone got bittorrent to work in sarge? |
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| 00:27.26 | dli_ | mhall: okay, now it takes 86MB to do boot gentoo and debian netinstall. |
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| 00:27.35 | mhall | dli_: not bad |
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| 00:28.03 | mhall | dli_: you can switch to the tinier deb isos than the ~110 M full-on one if you are ok with dling the base system off teh intarweb each time |
| 00:28.05 | dli_ | mhall: and gentoo has reasonable tools for system rescue, so I dont have to do it in debian |
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| 00:28.10 | jonas23 | mhall, this is still testing i'm getting |
| 00:28.35 | mhall | dli_: ya. you can make a custom knoppix. it's basically debian, and you can pick what packages there are, and it comes with a script to make a hard disk install of itself. |
| 00:28.41 | StereoSkit | dudes, what plugin does xmms need to listen streaming radio? |
| 00:28.52 | mhall | dli_: so that's another route |
| 00:29.00 | mhall | jonas23: usually it lets you pick your release of debian |
| 00:29.10 | mhall | jonas23: here is another link if you want more strictly etch |
| 00:29.14 | jonas23 | mhall, that hasn't really made any difference |
| 00:29.22 | dli_ | mhall, at least it appears to be official installation for both gentoo and debian now :) |
| 00:29.23 | jonas23 | i just would prefer to stay with debian |
| 00:29.28 | Wordan | im going through a debian setup, and just generally trying to understand what the options mean. 'local delivery' confuses me, how does that work. Im looking through the refrence manual but not having much luck |
| 00:29.45 | mhall | jonas23: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i |
| 00:30.09 | mhall | jonas23: it did not do anything differently? but dli_ just tried it and it worked |
| 00:30.14 | mhall | !+memtest86 |
| 00:30.14 | dpkg | hmm... memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/ |
| 00:30.21 | mhall | jonas23: better memtest it overnite |
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| 00:30.30 | jonas23 | memtest? |
| 00:30.34 | jonas23 | everything is working except grub |
| 00:30.38 | dvs | no, memtest86+ |
| 00:30.43 | mhall | !+memtest86+ |
| 00:30.53 | mhall | dvs: the + version never worked for me |
| 00:31.05 | mhall | jonas23: but you said chroot --> seg fault |
| 00:31.05 | dli_ | mhall do you know a program to do defragment in linux? |
| 00:31.13 | dvs | mhall: Of course it's suppose to! It's a +! ;-) |
| 00:31.16 | mhall | dli_: what underlying FS |
| 00:31.21 | jonas23 | i did |
| 00:31.25 | jonas23 | when i reboot |
| 00:31.30 | jonas23 | then try to use netinst as rescue |
| 00:31.34 | dli_ | mhall: sorry, I forgot that part, FAT32 for the usb stick |
| 00:31.36 | jonas23 | i can never chroot successfully again |
| 00:31.53 | mhall | jonas23: that's real weird |
| 00:31.56 | smokeylog | StereoSkit - apt-get install streamtuner |
| 00:32.00 | mhall | jonas23: almost like something is damaged |
| 00:32.07 | dli_ | mhall: or, I don't need it, but I want to resize the installation partition on it to the minimum |
| 00:32.11 | jonas23 | almost |
| 00:32.17 | jonas23 | but nothing is damaged |
| 00:32.24 | mhall | jonas23: can you move aside your home dirs and redo the install |
| 00:32.26 | jonas23 | the real problem is that grub-install '(hd0)' fails |
| 00:32.31 | jonas23 | mhall, i don't have any home dirs |
| 00:32.35 | mhall | jonas23: usually you can choose lilo |
| 00:32.37 | jonas23 | i've installed about 7 times |
| 00:32.41 | jonas23 | lilo fails as well |
| 00:32.45 | mhall | jonas23: ok |
| 00:32.47 | jonas23 | there aren't any bios options that look promising |
| 00:33.02 | jonas23 | (this is for a sata drive; no hd# on the system save the optical) |
| 00:33.02 | mhall | jonas23: need to look at the other consoles of the install with Alt-Fkeys |
| 00:33.09 | jonas23 | i've looked at f4 |
| 00:33.25 | jonas23 | it says can't read stage2 file |
| 00:33.25 | mhall | jonas23: sata works fine if you have one of the daily build isos; installed an intel ich box once myself |
| 00:33.34 | mhall | jonas23: weird |
| 00:33.42 | jonas23 | mhall, okay.. i took the etch uh.. 03xxxx disc |
| 00:33.50 | jonas23 | but, i'll try to burn this and give it a go |
| 00:34.02 | jonas23 | i was going to bump to sid anyway so i guess i'll try that cd first |
| 00:34.05 | dli_ | mhall, I think I got dumb, I can copy all files away, mkfs, and copy them back |
| 00:34.13 | StereoSkit | smokeylog: tnx |
| 00:34.16 | mhall | dli_: no there's a way; hold on |
| 00:34.22 | mhall | dli_: i can't think fast right now |
| 00:34.52 | mhall | dli_: there is an app called defrag for ext2 |
| 00:34.58 | mhall | dli_: and for xfs there is xfs_fsr |
| 00:35.15 | mhall | dli_: i'm not sure what there is for fat. maybe win98 defrag would work. |
| 00:35.47 | hedpe | does anyone know how well wireless Prism chipset is supported in the 2.4 kernel? |
| 00:35.50 | mhall | dli_: found a forum thread. let me see if they found an app. |
| 00:35.59 | mhall | hedpe: 2.4 -> bad for wireless |
| 00:36.07 | dli_ | mhall: I think cp is superior to any defrag |
| 00:36.45 | hedpe | mhall: but i figured since prism has been around the longest pretty much it might be supported |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | mhall: you're so mean!! |
| 00:37.48 | dvs | !pal abrotman |
| 00:37.53 | mhall | ? |
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| 00:39.35 | mhall | dli_: no luck in the forum thread |
| 00:39.45 | mhall | what did i do abrotman |
| 00:40.23 | dli_ | mhall, I found out my problem, nothing to do with defrag, I chose FAT32, that's why I couldn't resize it to smaller than 512MB |
| 00:40.29 | dli_ | mhall: FAT16 does it |
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| 00:41.05 | mhall | dli_: yeah. they won't let you go littler than that. |
| 00:41.29 | XanaXa | anyone have an idea of why I can run dig mydomain.com and get an accurate response but when I try to ping mydomain.com I get an unknown host: mydomain.com |
| 00:41.41 | dli_ | mhall: now need to decide which file system to put on the rest of the 900MB |
| 00:42.06 | mhall | dli_: does it need to be windowsable |
| 00:42.53 | mhall | XanaXa: interesting |
| 00:42.54 | dli_ | mhall: that's the tricky part :) |
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| 00:43.02 | mhall | XanaXa: is /etc/resolv.conf on crack? |
| 00:43.14 | dli_ | mhall: I will make it reiser4, so probably, most people couldn't figure it out |
| 00:43.14 | mhall | XanaXa: try running the ping inside tcpdump |
| 00:43.22 | mhall | XanaXa: also did you change anything lately |
| 00:43.28 | mhall | dli_: i suggest ext3 |
| 00:43.33 | dli_ | mhall: or jfs |
| 00:43.44 | dli_ | mhall: I don't like fsck with ext3 |
| 00:43.45 | mhall | dli_: jfs xfs and reiser sacrifice space efficiency for speed |
| 00:43.56 | mhall | dli_: but it's fucking ram so this is not necessary |
| 00:44.03 | XanaXa | mhall: nope but I am trying to figure out bind is not working. I can ping the IP fine though. |
| 00:44.14 | mhall | dli_: ext3 is journaled. ext2 gets fscked. |
| 00:44.22 | dli_ | mhall: doesn't apply to reiser4, reiser4 sacrifice cpu speed /memory for speed and space |
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| 00:44.27 | mhall | XanaXa: hmm |
| 00:44.41 | mhall | dli_: is it trustable? hans reiser is a crack addict |
| 00:45.09 | mentor | If I sit and listen on a netlink socket will I receive messages about addition and removal of IP address from links ? |
| 00:45.19 | dli_ | mhall: I like it, it's very stable, no fsck needed in most cases, when it's needed, fsck.reiser4 is as fast as fsck.jfs |
| 00:45.33 | mhall | dli_: i have best luck with XFS |
| 00:45.40 | XanaXa | mhall: I went back through the entire DNS howto and redid everything just to make sure I wasn't making a mistake that I just missed |
| 00:45.46 | mhall | especially if you run xfs_fsr regularly to reblock your extents |
| 00:45.46 | dli_ | mhall: the amount of space reiser4 can save is amazing |
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| 00:45.52 | mhall | XanaXa: hmm |
| 00:45.58 | mhall | dli_: cool |
| 00:45.59 | dli_ | mhall: by packing small files |
| 00:46.10 | mhall | dli_: ya. xfs does that also. so does ntfs. |
| 00:46.18 | dli_ | mhall: I heard ufs2 does it too |
| 00:46.20 | mhall | dli_: problem on ntfs though is it's done kind of stupidly. |
| 00:46.34 | mhall | dli_: ya original ufs and ffs were kind of shitty. |
| 00:46.42 | mhall | dli_: i'm not sure of details of ufs2 |
| 00:46.45 | siimo | hi does anyone here use the totem media player? i notice it crashes every time i close it |
| 00:46.52 | mhall | but i suspect ufs's days are very numbered. sun is dumping it. |
| 00:47.02 | dli_ | mhall: I think hurd has ufs2 already (not sure) |
| 00:47.17 | dli_ | mhall: but very unlikely, hurd will have reiser4 |
| 00:47.17 | mhall | dli_: but... hurd sucks |
| 00:47.21 | streuner | siimo: what does BTS say about? |
| 00:47.35 | XanaXa | mhall: Also I can ping a subdomain.mydomain.com, which resides on this machine and is used as my nameserver but I cannot ping mydomain.com |
| 00:47.37 | mhall | dli_: it might be better if they port it to Xen |
| 00:47.48 | mhall | XanaXa: hmm |
| 00:47.52 | dli_ | mhall: xen is still linux, right? |
| 00:47.57 | mhall | XanaXa: did you check the logs and see if it hates your zone files |
| 00:47.59 | XanaXa | mhall: they are the same box |
| 00:48.12 | XanaXa | it loaded them fine in syslog |
| 00:48.28 | mhall | dli_: it runs anything as a "client" if you patch it or have the new Opty/Core Duo virtualization hacks |
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| 00:48.45 | mhall | dli_: i think linux still has to be the host of it in some way |
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| 00:48.52 | mhall | dli_: but work is progressing very rapidly |
| 00:49.12 | mhall | dli_: apparently they have a shitload of hardcore professional bios coder types from intel and amd and the oems |
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| 00:49.38 | mhall | dli_: i only just read a little bit about it |
| 00:49.55 | mhall | dli_: but when i go to work at hp i will try installing it if i have time, to teach myself a new skill |
| 00:49.57 | dli_ | mhall: I just don't like the way, reiser4 got stuck with linux |
| 00:50.05 | XanaXa | mhall: looks like the problem is just that I can't ping the root domain name however I can dig it |
| 00:50.06 | dli_ | mhall: hurd is the way to go then |
| 00:50.20 | mhall | siimo: see if it fucks up in raw xine or gstreamer or just totem |
| 00:50.24 | mhall | !+bts |
| 00:50.24 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 00:50.27 | mhall | siimo: check bts |
| 00:50.50 | siimo | yes i am checking it there some 288 day old bug about it crashing o.O |
| 00:51.04 | mhall | dli_: i'm not a fan of other unices besides linux |
| 00:51.12 | mhall | dli_: nor of other linuxes besides debian |
| 00:51.16 | streuner | well, it seems that's not the one you are searching for then :-) |
| 00:51.28 | streuner | siimo: what version of debian? |
| 00:51.33 | siimo | etch |
| 00:51.38 | mhall | siimo: hmm maybe it is obsolete. ask #gnome if it was replaced. |
| 00:51.40 | ninjazach | I like OpenBSD |
| 00:51.40 | dli_ | mhall: can they include reiser4 in debian? |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | streuner: do you have 4dr GTIs in .de ? |
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| 00:52.02 | mhall | streuner: but i think he implied nobody fixed his but for nearly a year, not that that bug was the wrong bug |
| 00:52.03 | streuner | ? |
| 00:52.09 | mhall | dli_: not sure |
| 00:52.14 | siimo | funny its not crashing anymore |
| 00:52.18 | siimo | it was just before |
| 00:52.21 | mhall | dli_: reiser4progs - administration utilities for the Reiser4 filesystem |
| 00:52.22 | streuner | mhall: hm |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | streuner: 4 door GTI .. the volkswagen car |
| 00:52.24 | mhall | siimo: ! |
| 00:52.51 | dli_ | mhall: I mean you can even install on reiser4 |
| 00:52.55 | mhall | dli_: apt-cache implies yes |
| 00:53.04 | mhall | dli_: whether it's on the boot cds, i can't say |
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| 00:53.56 | dli_ | mhall: because reiser4 is more stable than reiserfs, but reiserfs is included (because it's in stable kernel) |
| 00:54.55 | smokeylog | Question:How many of the 17+ debian 31r2-i386.iso images do I really need for a typical workstation/server? |
| 00:54.57 | streuner | abrotman: GTI was a sportscar... |
| 00:55.08 | abrotman | smokeylog: do you have broadband ? |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | streuner: i'm aware of what it is |
| 00:55.20 | smokeylog | abrotman affirmative. |
| 00:55.24 | abrotman | !d-i smokeylog |
| 00:55.24 | dpkg | smokeylog, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:55.27 | Wordan | Running exim4-config, what should the system mail name be? im trying to set up a test web server. it is on a lan with a private ip address and has access to the internet if that makes a difference. im clueless |
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| 00:56.04 | smokeylog | abrotman: thx |
| 00:57.11 | Ugly_Duck | any one know about getting surround sound with linux ? |
| 00:57.37 | thingfish | Ugly_Duck: look at your mixer. |
| 00:57.48 | Ugly_Duck | thingfish: kmix ? |
| 00:57.52 | thingfish | whatever |
| 00:58.01 | siimo | Ugly_Duck, its in my gnome settings but i don;'t have surround speakers |
| 00:58.08 | thingfish | I use gnome, gnome-alsamixer |
| 00:58.25 | Ugly_Duck | ahh.. ok |
| 00:58.29 | thingfish | just turn up anything that says surround. |
| 00:58.41 | siimo | lol |
| 00:58.46 | thingfish | ;) |
| 00:59.19 | Ugly_Duck | nothing in kmix for surround |
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| 01:00.14 | dbindner_ | Anyone familiar with the platform on which the debian-installer is built? I want an amd64 installed witch sata-ahci built into the kernel. I'm pretty technically inclined, but am finding http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt not as helpful as I would like. |
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| 01:00.53 | siimo | Ugly_Duck, google surround sound debian theres plenty of websites about getting 5.1 and problems etc |
| 01:00.59 | Ironhand | I'm looking through bootclean.sh , can someone tell me what the reason is for using the "noclobber" option in code like this: "rm -f /tmp/.clean; set -o noclobber; :> /tmp/.clean; set +o noclobber" ? |
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| 01:01.20 | Ugly_Duck | siimo: have been doign that, just thought soem one might know a good site to read up on is all |
| 01:01.44 | siimo | Ugly_Duck, http://alsa.opensrc.org/SurroundSound |
| 01:02.05 | penta5 | what is the different between monit and cacti or mrtg |
| 01:02.16 | siimo | that teaches you everything you need to know it looks like |
| 01:02.18 | thingfish | Ugly_Duck: can you do something like kmix>preferences and see if you can enable more options? |
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| 01:02.29 | abrotman | i would rather be at a baseball game .... |
| 01:02.31 | denisbr | Hello! |
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| 01:02.39 | thingfish | baseball huh... |
| 01:02.44 | mhall | 'lo :) |
| 01:02.53 | denisbr | How Package contains the command dh_clean? |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:02.58 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 01:03.24 | mhall | lol what a cracked out kernel version number 2.6.16.14 |
| 01:03.31 | thingfish | maybe they should have the baseball guys wear shorts - then more people would watch. |
| 01:03.35 | mhall | denisbr: dh_* -> debhelper |
| 01:03.43 | Ugly_Duck | thingfish: every thing in the settings is clicked |
| 01:03.55 | mhall | thingfish: but gay guys are only 10% of the population |
| 01:04.04 | mhall | thingfish: and i don't think the straight guys would go for it |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | thingfish: no .. you'd watch |
| 01:04.10 | denisbr | mhall, sorry, I don't understand |
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| 01:04.10 | mhall | thingfish: nor the uptight old people |
| 01:04.14 | thingfish | Ugly_Duck: gosh, I wish I could help you. gnome-alsamixer works like a champ here. |
| 01:04.23 | Ugly_Duck | snd_ac97_codec 68612 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 01:04.23 | Ugly_Duck | snd_pcm 94220 2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0 |
| 01:04.26 | thingfish | abrotman: and people like me :) |
| 01:04.32 | mhall | denisbr: think unix wildcards: dh_* is in the debhelper package |
| 01:04.36 | abrotman | thingfish: you could jsut watch it because you like it ... |
| 01:04.38 | Ugly_Duck | looks like i'm using pcm |
| 01:04.42 | siimo | Ugly_Duck, read that page and do those things described there dude.. woah you have the same sound card as me too |
| 01:04.46 | dbindner_ | My web searches indicate that lots of people are running into troublesome Debian installs on SATA machines. |
| 01:04.47 | thingfish | mhall: oh, those little old ladies would eat up baseball if the guys wore shorts. |
| 01:04.51 | siimo | snd_intel8x0 |
| 01:04.56 | denisbr | mhall, ok, thanks very match |
| 01:04.58 | mhall | thingfish: hmm. |
| 01:05.01 | thingfish | mhall: they'd all be buying hdtvs. |
| 01:05.32 | Ugly_Duck | nforce3, 754 socket |
| 01:05.33 | mhall | denisbr: this is because d -> debian and h -> helper --> debhelper ;) |
| 01:05.47 | mhall | dbindner_: true. but it doesn't have to be that way. |
| 01:06.23 | valio | q |
| 01:06.40 | dbindner_ | I've been through an aweful lot of boot CDs. The Breezy CD can see the drive; I wish its debootstrap could bootstrap a Sarge system. |
| 01:06.52 | valio | q 'kdpojwefoj '9i 4rsdlk |
| 01:06.54 | abrotman | !tell dbindner_ about sarge uni |
| 01:06.57 | denisbr | mhall, ok, I am starting in the compilling packages of debian using the source |
| 01:07.00 | mhall | dbindner_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/ |
| 01:07.00 | dli_ | mhall: I use jfs now, because it gives most free space, 918MB(in df -k) out of 922MB (in fdisk -l) |
| 01:07.00 | abrotman | valio: are you broken? |
| 01:07.12 | mhall | denisbr: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:07.13 | abrotman | mhall: that's a bad idea don't you think ? |
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| 01:07.15 | mhall | !tell denisbr about source |
| 01:07.23 | dbindner_ | I miss the old days when a base system was a .tar file and not a script like deboostrap. |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | mhall: i mean ... you really want someone who can't install debian to run sid ? |
| 01:07.30 | mhall | abrotman: you can install stuff besides sid with it |
| 01:07.41 | abrotman | mhall: or he could use a <sarge uni> |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | dbindner_: what's your controller ? |
| 01:07.58 | mhall | dbindner_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/ is probably a little safer, abrotman is right |
| 01:08.00 | dli_ | dbindner_: you can get tar ball for a basic system in gentoo |
| 01:08.08 | abrotman | mhall: no .. <sarge uni> is safer |
| 01:08.28 | denisbr | mhall, thanks again |
| 01:08.34 | mhall | abrotman: ok. nm. you do it. |
| 01:08.40 | dbindner_ | ULI M5229, runs under the sata-ahci driver apparently. The motherboard is an Asus A8R-MVP. |
| 01:08.48 | mhall | denisbr: yes i hope this information helps you. |
| 01:08.48 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: you can make your own base_debs.tar.gz fairly easily |
| 01:09.19 | denisbr | mhall, yes! |
| 01:09.22 | mhall | denisbr: another useful way to make packages is to cd into the package source tree and run fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 01:09.27 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: the main reason why we don't do that anymore is because duplicating information is bad. |
| 01:09.39 | dbindner_ | dondelelcaro: Yeah. I think that is the way I'll have to go. Plus a boot grub floppy. For some reason no installer seems to be able to install a bootloader, grub or lilo. |
| 01:09.53 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: really? |
| 01:10.02 | mhall | denisbr: that build-essential package will make your life a bit simpler by giving you most of the development tools |
| 01:10.04 | dbindner_ | I actually gave in and installed Ubuntu. It was nogood, though because it chokes on hotplug. |
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| 01:10.17 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: if you can mount up your filesystems, you should be able run debootstrap and manually install grub or lilo |
| 01:10.33 | denisbr | mhall, yes, I am installing the tools |
| 01:10.34 | mhall | denisbr: another handy thing to have is the special apt-get command apt-get build-dep which grabs all the deps |
| 01:10.50 | mhall | denisbr: if you install deps though you have to remember to remove the unneeded ones later |
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| 01:12.37 | dbindner_ | dondelelcaro: I can mount up the filesystems, but only from an Ubuntu bootcd. No Debian CD has had the driver. And the Ubuntu debootstrap wouldn't install Debian. |
| 01:12.45 | denisbr | mhall, ok, can you indicated a link about this? |
| 01:13.19 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: what driver is it missing? |
| 01:13.27 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: have you tried the etch netinst cds? |
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| 01:13.36 | dbindner_ | sata-ahci |
| 01:14.17 | dbindner_ | The etch CD notes it can't install Sarge. I think I tried one anyway without success (I could be wrong--I've burned a lot of CDs in the last few days). |
| 01:14.27 | mhall | denisbr: a link about which |
| 01:14.55 | denisbr | mhall, about to compile packages using source |
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| 01:15.33 | mhall | denisbr: there probably is one but i learned it all on irc |
| 01:15.45 | mhall | _rene__: 'lo. noticed your latest OOo release. |
| 01:16.00 | mhall | _rene__: did they get AMD64 building again? |
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| 01:16.54 | denisbr | mhall, :-) ok thanks |
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| 01:16.55 | DaBlade | A quick question - Would recompiling dpkg from source be wise? |
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| 01:17.31 | mhall | denisbr: somebody helped me do it to run a patch package |
| 01:17.44 | DaBlade | Hello? :) |
| 01:17.48 | dbindner_ | Am I mistaken, but if I debootstrap and then run base-config, does that still leave me to populate /etc/fsck by hand? Is there anything else like that I should watch for? |
| 01:17.57 | dbindner_ | I mean /etc/fstab |
| 01:17.59 | mhall | DaBlade: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA, HA HA HA, HA HA, HA, NO! |
| 01:18.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:18.16 | gearry | I am working on setting up ssh X forwarding so that I can have some of my apps when I am stuck on Windows at work |
| 01:18.20 | DaBlade | mhall: What if I managed to completely destroy the default dpkg installation? :P |
| 01:18.34 | thingfish | I'd say that's an accomplishment. |
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| 01:18.46 | DaBlade | Well, it refuses to do anything. |
| 01:18.50 | DaBlade | At all. |
| 01:19.02 | mhall | DaBlade: ouch. |
| 01:19.05 | DaBlade | Yep. |
| 01:19.22 | DaBlade | And I've been in and out here for the past week trying to solve it |
| 01:19.25 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: you could start by telling us what you did and the output of your attempts to run dpkg. |
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| 01:19.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell DaBlade -about bat |
| 01:19.31 | DaBlade | asking on LinuxQuestions was quite useless. |
| 01:19.40 | Ugly_Duck | me thinks its time to re install stable |
| 01:19.41 | Ugly_Duck | bbl |
| 01:19.45 | mhall | DaBlade: --root=dir | --admindir=dir | --instdir=dir |
| 01:19.46 | seek | how do i change my screen resolution in xwindow |
| 01:19.51 | mhall | DaBlade: man dpkg and read about those |
| 01:19.59 | DaBlade | mhall: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=440656 |
| 01:20.03 | DaBlade | The entire problem ^ |
| 01:20.10 | gearry | now I get: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 01:20.11 | AnsiC | this parameters is for the configure script |
| 01:20.12 | AnsiC | ???? |
| 01:20.14 | DaBlade | --force-all, --purge etc... nothing helpps |
| 01:20.15 | gearry | any thoughts? |
| 01:20.16 | DaBlade | at all |
| 01:20.16 | mhall | DaBlade: you can probably use knoppix to install the dpkg deb with those CLI options |
| 01:20.18 | DaBlade | Nor using apt-get |
| 01:20.25 | dondelelcaro | seek: using xvidtune or similar. |
| 01:20.33 | mhall | DaBlade: apt-get has a dpkg dependency |
| 01:20.38 | AnsiC | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.48 | AnsiC | for what this parameters? |
| 01:20.55 | DaBlade | ? |
| 01:20.57 | seek | dondelelcaro not sure what you mean im a newbie |
| 01:21.02 | dondelelcaro | AnsiC: man dpkg; you won't ever need them use. |
| 01:21.07 | dondelelcaro | s/use/though/ |
| 01:21.11 | dirk_ | gearry: do you have an X-server on your windows box? |
| 01:21.13 | AnsiC | ok |
| 01:21.16 | AnsiC | gud nait |
| 01:21.25 | gearry | yes, cygwin/X |
| 01:21.28 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: you've either got the wrong version of install-info, gcj's postinst script is buggy. |
| 01:21.30 | AnsiC | i mast go tu slip |
| 01:21.36 | gearry | oh, hold on, just thought of something |
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| 01:21.43 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Well, so far nothing has helped |
| 01:21.53 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcj-4.1.postinst, and rerun dpkg --configure -a; |
| 01:22.03 | DaBlade | okay |
| 01:22.18 | mhall | AnsiC probably couldn't spell well enough to write a line of his own nickname and get it to compile |
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| 01:22.44 | pageyoo7 | lol |
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| 01:22.47 | pageyoo7 | harsh |
| 01:23.04 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Anywhere near the top or on the top? |
| 01:23.09 | DaBlade | (The top line is commented out) |
| 01:23.14 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: at the top, below the shebang line. |
| 01:23.20 | DaBlade | Or wait - No, it's a declaration |
| 01:23.42 | dondelelcaro | (assuming the postinst is in sh; if it's perl, you'll do something else) |
| 01:24.09 | mhall | pageyoo7: consider the source. consider the destination. |
| 01:24.29 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/701113 <-- like that? |
| 01:24.54 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: yes. |
| 01:24.57 | DaBlade | k |
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| 01:25.20 | DaBlade | k, ran dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:25.21 | DaBlade | What now? |
| 01:25.29 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: what is the output of dpkg --configure -a? |
| 01:25.34 | DaBlade | There was none |
| 01:26.05 | gearry | dirk_, was just checking my firewall settings |
| 01:26.18 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: No output whatsoever. |
| 01:26.22 | dirk_ | gearry: and? |
| 01:26.23 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: uh... there should be; it should attempt to configure gcj-4.1, since that hasn't been completely installed. |
| 01:26.33 | gearry | well, I am allowing connections to XWin |
| 01:26.37 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[/home/dablade/Downloads/dpkg-1.10.28]# dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:26.37 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[/home/dablade/Downloads/dpkg-1.10.28]# |
| 01:26.52 | gearry | and I tried disabling it, no change |
| 01:27.01 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: try reinstalling gcj-4.1, then editing the postinst, then runing dpkg --configure -a; |
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| 01:27.33 | seek | boy you people are busy tonight |
| 01:27.33 | dirk_ | gearry: on my version of the windows software I had to enable X tunneling |
| 01:27.35 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Already tried it via synaptic. |
| 01:27.40 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: And --purge |
| 01:27.41 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: and? |
| 01:27.42 | DaBlade | and -r |
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| 01:27.49 | DaBlade | and apt-get remove |
| 01:27.57 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Always the exact same error |
| 01:27.58 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: I said reinstall, not purge, not remove, not using synaptic. |
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| 01:28.13 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: the output that you're giving me know indicates that you've successfully installed gcj-4.1 |
| 01:28.21 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: since it's finished configuring. |
| 01:28.22 | gearry | dirk_, I believe I have done that, when I run SSH I run it with a -Y to enable tunneling |
| 01:28.25 | dirk_ | gearry: ah, but you are using plain ssh in cygwin probably? |
| 01:28.31 | gearry | yes |
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| 01:29.01 | DaBlade | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 01:29.01 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.01 | DaBlade | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
| 01:29.13 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: so install libgcj7-dev |
| 01:29.14 | DaBlade | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ^ |
| 01:29.17 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: and please don't paste here. |
| 01:29.28 | DaBlade | Sorry. |
| 01:29.35 | DaBlade | I figured three lines wasn't so harmful. |
| 01:29.45 | DaBlade | Okay |
| 01:29.49 | DaBlade | that was a _NASTY_ error |
| 01:29.59 | dirk_ | gearry: stupid question probably, but you have also enable X-forwarding in you servers /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted ssh? |
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| 01:30.17 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: no, that's just an uninstallable package. It's not a big deal. |
| 01:30.24 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/701120 |
| 01:30.26 | dirk_ | gearry: if it is not that, you'll have to ask someone more knowlegdeable ;) |
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| 01:32.06 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: what does which install-info and $(which install-info) --version; return? |
| 01:32.07 | gearry | dirk_, doh, I think that may be it, thanks |
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| 01:33.46 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/701128 |
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| 01:34.33 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: you've installed a non-debian package which contains install-info |
| 01:34.37 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: that was a bad move. |
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| 01:34.53 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Was a desperate move to try and repair it - Installing install-info from source |
| 01:34.54 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: remove /usr/local/bin/install-info and rerun dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:35.40 | dondelelcaro | if you get the same error, give me the same output of which install-info; $(which install-info) --version; after removing the /usr/local/bin/install-info |
| 01:35.45 | DaBlade | Whoa |
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| 01:35.49 | DaBlade | It seems to be working! |
| 01:35.55 | DaBlade | And man, that's a lot of packages |
| 01:36.01 | itguy | stew: are you here |
| 01:36.04 | DaBlade | Two weeks of no updates. |
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| 01:36.14 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Thanks a lot :D |
| 01:36.18 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 01:37.24 | itguy | well this is not funny at all, my lapy was working fine untill i did the most stuipest thing and downloaded apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 01:39.09 | dirk_ | itguy: if you have something in your ~/.xsession-errors about missing Xsession |
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| 01:39.49 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: I guess I won't be recompiling any essential system apps again any time soon |
| 01:39.55 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Apart from the kernel of course. :) |
| 01:39.57 | itguy | dirk_: what do you mean? |
| 01:40.04 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: you can recompile anything you want, but you should do it using the Debian packages |
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| 01:40.14 | dirk_ | than you should do cp /etc/X11/Xsession.xfree86 /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:40.21 | denisbr | Hi |
| 01:40.21 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: They're often far from up to date. |
| 01:40.32 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: not on unstable they're not... |
| 01:40.37 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: For instance, there are no deb packages for glest 2.0, only 1.2 or something like that. |
| 01:40.40 | dirk_ | itguy: there is a bug which removes Xsession |
| 01:40.48 | DaBlade | It was *only* available via source. |
| 01:40.53 | DaBlade | Not RPMs, ebuilds or anything. |
| 01:41.03 | dirk_ | itguy: if you are running sid? |
| 01:41.05 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: glest? |
| 01:41.12 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: www.glest.org |
| 01:41.34 | denisbr | A question, How resolve this "error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" ? |
| 01:41.37 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: it's not even in Debian at all. |
| 01:41.48 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: No, but Debian carries ancient packages of it. |
| 01:42.03 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Which is why I need to compile it. |
| 01:42.05 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: we don't even have ancient packages of it |
| 01:42.08 | itguy | dirk_: i fell like you are talking a diffrent lang? |
| 01:42.20 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Weird... well, at least there were a year ago. :P |
| 01:42.42 | dirk_ | itguy: which version of debian are you running? |
| 01:43.02 | itguy | dirk_: unstable |
| 01:43.34 | dirk_ | itguy: well, there is an error in xserver-xorg which removes Xsession in the directory /etc/X11 |
| 01:43.53 | dirk_ | itguy: so if there is no /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:44.28 | dirk_ | itguy: you can copy it from an older file in that directory |
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| 01:45.00 | dirk_ | itguy: just do cp /etc/X11/Xsession.xfree86 /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:45.38 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: And another thing if you have time - When I print text, any text in the font "Times" looks weird. Especially when printed. Here's a screenshot. http://xs100.xs.to/xs100/06186/snapshot26.png |
| 01:45.43 | DaBlade | What might be causing that? |
| 01:45.49 | dirk_ | itguy: i am of course not sure you have the same problem as I had earlier this evening |
| 01:46.12 | DaBlade | It happens in any application that uses the font |
| 01:46.15 | itguy | dirk_: still fatal error no screen found |
| 01:46.17 | DaBlade | Not just OOo or Firefox. |
| 01:46.33 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: probably one of the fonts that you've got that matches *-times-* is busted |
| 01:46.39 | dirk_ | itguy: btw: english is not my native language, so it could be that we speek a different language :) |
| 01:46.57 | itguy | dirk_: lol |
| 01:47.01 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Can you send me a working copy then please? |
| 01:47.21 | DaBlade | And Times New Roman (Microsoft's) works fine |
| 01:47.38 | itguy | dirk_: i don't know what driver is on this lapy |
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| 01:48.31 | dirk_ | itguy: if you do lspci |grep VGA |
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| 01:48.49 | yanis | hi |
| 01:49.00 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: you probably need to reinstall the msttcorefonts package if you've got it installed. |
| 01:49.00 | yanis | how do I set the 'alternatives' ? |
| 01:49.12 | dondelelcaro | yanis: update-alternatives --config fooatlernative |
| 01:49.16 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Does times come with it? |
| 01:49.21 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: yes. |
| 01:49.27 | DaBlade | okay, thanks |
| 01:49.45 | yanis | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:50.30 | dirk_ | itguy: what is the output of that command? |
| 01:51.01 | itguy | dirk_: it savage |
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| 01:52.07 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: Times isn't in that package |
| 01:52.13 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: I read the description in Synaptic. |
| 01:52.42 | dondelelcaro | DaBlade: Times New Roman is, which is what is commonly called times. |
| 01:52.54 | DaBlade | They are different here |
| 01:53.00 | DaBlade | And Times New Roman works fine |
| 01:53.03 | DaBlade | Times doesn't |
| 01:53.06 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 01:53.15 | dondelelcaro | good luck. |
| 01:53.16 | dirk_ | itguy: so there should be a Driver "savage" somewhere in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 01:53.27 | recall | Is there a font improvement project? |
| 01:53.32 | DaBlade | dondelelcaro: heh, thanks. |
| 01:53.32 | thingfish | tsk |
| 01:53.47 | thingfish | Debian has the best font management in the GNU world. |
| 01:53.49 | recall | And I don't mean the back-end... |
| 01:54.00 | stoned | thingfish, what is GNU |
| 01:54.06 | thingfish | oh lord jesus |
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| 01:54.12 | stoned | well, let me rephrase |
| 01:54.17 | stoned | what does the acronym stand for |
| 01:54.23 | itguy | dirk_: check #flood |
| 01:54.27 | dirk_ | itguy: and have look into your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:54.27 | stoned | I could look it up a but my browser is fucked right now |
| 01:54.28 | shogunx | GNU's not unix |
| 01:54.38 | thingfish | it's a paradox, stoned. it means gnu's not unix. |
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| 01:54.45 | stoned | oh |
| 01:54.49 | recall | Gritty tweaks on kerning and hinting on individual fonts...of course, no one wants to do that, so we all use the msft TTFs.. |
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| 01:55.00 | stoned | it actually stand for this, "GNU's Not Unix" |
| 01:55.03 | shogunx | worlds first recursive acronym |
| 01:55.04 | thingfish | stoned: it's horrible philosophy. |
| 01:55.09 | dondelelcaro | shogunx: not hardly... |
| 01:55.10 | stoned | hmm, thats kinda weird+cool |
| 01:55.13 | thingfish | sloppy sloppy sloppy |
| 01:55.35 | shogunx | dondelelcaro what were the previous ones? |
| 01:55.38 | dondelelcaro | recall: a lot of people have done tweaks on the individual fonts... there are loads of projects about it too. |
| 01:55.57 | recall | Can you point me in the direction? |
| 01:55.58 | stoned | if GNU is not unix than why do they all make *nix apps? & stuff |
| 01:56.27 | shogunx | stoned means its not unix, its like unix, built from the gound up. |
| 01:56.29 | stoned | well not make, but doesn't it mainly have to do WITH unixware |
| 01:56.38 | dondelelcaro | shogunx: see TINT FE. |
| 01:56.39 | stoned | oh yeh, well ok then |
| 01:56.59 | dondelelcaro | shogunx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym if you're lost... |
| 01:57.02 | thingfish | stoned: do you have to understand internal combustion engines before you'll drive a car? |
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| 01:57.18 | stoned | thingfish, not, but I need to learn harmonized theory before I can play music |
| 01:57.27 | thingfish | I say, get in, and push the pedal to the metal! :) |
| 01:57.56 | shogunx | dondelelcaro i stand corrected |
| 01:58.05 | stoned | I gotta fix my browser, firefox crashes with some lame glibc shit |
| 01:58.06 | thingfish | stoned: bah. you're held back by western tonal musical paradigms. |
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| 01:58.32 | stoned | thingfish, I mostly apply plagal tonalities, and modal movements within the context of harmony |
| 01:58.37 | thingfish | 12-tone all the way, baby! |
| 01:58.49 | thingfish | ooh yes I hear ya, stoned |
| 01:58.51 | stoned | thingfish, harmony existed 4000 years ago, its not a dominion of the west alone |
| 01:59.04 | thingfish | stoned: ooh you're talking my language |
| 01:59.07 | saber_ | i just received a debian cd in the mail... how can i verify the cds integrity? |
| 01:59.13 | thingfish | stoned: you like chant? |
| 01:59.53 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:59.59 | NikosGr | hello |
| 02:00.01 | saber_ | there's a file on it called md5sums.txt, but i can't find a similar file on ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:00.06 | NikosGr | how do i set correct tiem from cli? |
| 02:00.18 | dondelelcaro | Red_Cloud: 1) iptables 2) netstat -plunt |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | !tell NikosGr about ntp |
| 02:00.31 | saber_ | nikosgr: using the date command as root, nickosgr |
| 02:00.35 | stoned | thingfish, the first known song, 4000 years ago, written on a clay tablet found in Syria, shows that the first song ever written was in a hurrian language, cuneiform, first written language ever, with a very basic system of music notation, upon studies, it was shown that the song was constructed using the diatonic major scale, and that it was harmonized using 3rds and perfect 5th intervals |
| 02:00.40 | NikosGr | iam root |
| 02:00.45 | NikosGr | but date is wrong |
| 02:00.50 | Red_Cloud | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 02:00.51 | dondelelcaro | (or just netstat -pant if you don't care about those things that are listening) |
| 02:01.06 | thingfish | eew <squeal> stoned! |
| 02:01.13 | thingfish | me likey |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | stoned: did you fix your paper? |
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| 02:02.19 | Red_Cloud | dondelelcaro, I will check out netstate -pant. I have iptables installed but am really looking for a gui which I can use to configure iptables. |
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| 02:02.30 | NikosGr | why my debian wont automount ntfs and fats32 volumes on other hdds? |
| 02:02.44 | jshriver | greetings.. I installed Sun java package. But I still can't view java applets in Firefox. |
| 02:02.47 | jshriver | How do you enable this? |
| 02:02.56 | dondelelcaro | NikosGr: sure it will |
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| 02:03.01 | thingfish | NikosGr: because you have to *define* them in /etc/fstab. |
| 02:03.15 | NikosGr | i though it would eb autodefined |
| 02:03.17 | thingfish | NikosGr: xristos anesti! |
| 02:03.23 | nile | jshriver, did you set up the java plugin? go to "about:plugins" in firefox to check |
| 02:03.30 | jshriver | ok let me try that. |
| 02:03.46 | jshriver | says no plugings are installed |
| 02:03.55 | mith | you need to install the plugin then |
| 02:03.55 | NikosGr | thingfish, Alithws Anesti o Kyrios! |
| 02:04.00 | noviac | NikosGr: it does not auto-define mount-locations. |
| 02:04.00 | thingfish | :) |
| 02:04.08 | nile | jshriver, okay, google for "firefox linux java symlink" |
| 02:04.18 | jshriver | where do I find the plugin for Firefox for linux using Sun's version of JAva and not Kaffe |
| 02:04.22 | NikosGr | as option in ect/ftab |
| 02:04.25 | jshriver | will try that then |
| 02:04.25 | NikosGr | is auto ok? |
| 02:04.37 | nile | jshriver, good luck! |
| 02:04.53 | thingfish | NikosGr: for ntfs use ntfs ro,user,umask=022 |
| 02:04.54 | NikosGr | thingfish, ellinas eisai? |
| 02:04.55 | noviac | 'defaults', is good yes. |
| 02:05.09 | thingfish | NikosGr: no, but I'm orthodoxos. |
| 02:05.26 | jshriver | ok let me try :) thanks need to make some symlinks hehe brb |
| 02:05.41 | nile | jshriver, hint, the first result for that google query I suggested will give you the exact answer you need |
| 02:05.46 | NikosGr | :) |
| 02:05.54 | NikosGr | and for vfat thingfish ? |
| 02:06.10 | thingfish | NikosGr: eww...something like vfat defaults maybe... |
| 02:06.18 | jshriver | hrm wtf is the diff in jdk and jre? I'm so confused over all of the different versions of java , even just sun ones. |
| 02:06.25 | NikosGr | vfau auto? |
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| 02:06.40 | jshriver | my /opt/jdk1.5.0_06 doesnt have a plugins subdirectory |
| 02:07.00 | thingfish | NikosGr: to tell you the truth, I don't know...it's been years and years since I've had anything vfat. |
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| 02:07.24 | jshriver | Do I have to install the runtime environment? Since I already have the full blown developers kit? |
| 02:07.34 | stoned | NikosGr, apt-get install ntpdate |
| 02:07.34 | stoned | perhaps, is that what you're looking for? |
| 02:08.12 | NikosGr | yes |
| 02:08.14 | matej_ | Hi, guys trying to compile kopete-svn and I get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13471 Any thoughts what's going (autoconf --version gives 2.59). Using Debian/unstable. |
| 02:08.28 | stoned | sorry my internet went down there is a storm here |
| 02:08.36 | NikosGr | i just fixed fstab |
| 02:08.38 | jshriver | hrm ok installed the jre... lets try it again lol |
| 02:08.40 | NikosGr | hwo do i run it? |
| 02:08.40 | stoned | good thing it didnt' disconenct me, my client is set to 5 minutes |
| 02:08.47 | stoned | abrotman, I got an A |
| 02:08.51 | stoned | thingfish, ewww? |
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| 02:09.04 | NikosGr | so parts will be mounted |
| 02:09.08 | nile | jshriver, yes, you should have just gotten the jre |
| 02:09.11 | jshriver | anyone know what path is the plugins directory for firefox under debian? |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | stoned: your teacher must have a reading disability :) |
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| 02:09.36 | stoned | abrotman, not I went to comptuer lab few hours before and fixed it |
| 02:09.36 | thingfish | stoned: eww what? I eww to all sorts of things. |
| 02:09.40 | dirk_ | itguy: can you also post "tail -n 30 /var/log/Xorg.0.log in #flood? |
| 02:09.54 | stoned | <stoned> thingfish, the first known song, 4000 years ago, written on a clay tablet found in Syria, shows that the first song ever written was in a hurrian language, cuneiform, first written language ever, with a very basic system of music notation, upon studies, it was shown that the song was constructed using the diatonic major scale, and that it was harmonized using 3rds and perfect 5th intervals |
| 02:09.56 | thingfish | "I'm in a trance." |
| 02:09.57 | stoned | you said eww after this |
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| 02:10.05 | nile | jshriver, you could just use ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 02:10.14 | jshriver | ok will try that.. thanks |
| 02:10.15 | thingfish | oh no stoned, I found that totally lovely. |
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| 02:10.22 | stoned | word |
| 02:10.28 | thingfish | I was ewwing to that guy's vfat woes. |
| 02:10.34 | thingfish | ;) |
| 02:10.40 | nile | jshriver, if you want it to be 'global', you would use /usr/lib/mozilla* |
| 02:10.44 | stoned | <thingfish> eew <squeal> stoned! <-- i don't see how |
| 02:10.48 | stoned | I must be stoned |
| 02:11.00 | thingfish | hehe you probably are, as am I. |
| 02:11.04 | jshriver | thanks.. trying now |
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| 02:11.29 | stoned | thingfish, ytou play music |
| 02:11.45 | nile | jshriver, btw, you don't need to restart firefox to enable plugins. just go to about:plugins and it should list Java as supported |
| 02:11.49 | thingfish | stoned: you mean like an instrument? no, not anymore. |
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| 02:12.19 | thingfish | but do I play music to listen to? hah. all the time. |
| 02:12.32 | thingfish | protonradio.com. |
| 02:12.34 | jshriver | hrm ok I made the symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 02:12.56 | jshriver | restarted firefox and it doesnt work.. and the about:plugins yield no plugins installed |
| 02:12.57 | jshriver | hrm |
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| 02:13.47 | jshriver | hrm wait my symlink was wrong.. /opt not /usr/java |
| 02:13.48 | matej_ | rying to compile kopete-svn and I get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13471 autoconf --version gives 2.59 using unstable |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | matej_: ask #ubuntu ? |
| 02:14.30 | jshriver | ok works thanks for the help |
| 02:14.37 | matej_ | abrotman: no I am on Debian (unstable as I mentioned), just using their pastebin |
| 02:14.52 | thingfish | hey don't you guys think that modern operating systems, ones that are particularly marvelous, are possibly works of art? |
| 02:14.53 | jshriver | there should be an easier way to do this though.. no home user would be willing to go threw this crap just to install a plugin for a webbrowser |
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| 02:15.58 | seb- | ! simple sid backport |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | matej_: what is line 33 ? |
| 02:15.58 | dpkg | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 02:15.59 | thingfish | I mean I envision a MOMA installation with a gorgeous pc continuously runs a sarge d-i routine. |
| 02:16.08 | abrotman | seb-: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:16.09 | jshriver | but I'm happy I can upload my family pics to smugmug.com now woohoo |
| 02:16.10 | NikosGr | why ontl root can mount /dev/hdb3 it says to me? |
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| 02:16.36 | jshriver | only root is allowed to mount anything |
| 02:16.43 | matej_ | abrotman: AUTOCONF_VERSION=`$AUTOCONF --version | head -n 1` |
| 02:16.56 | thingfish | NikosGr: what does its line look like in fstab? |
| 02:16.58 | stoned | I am hungry |
| 02:17.20 | jshriver | oh one more question for you bash guru's.. how can I rename all files in a given directory like |
| 02:17.23 | thingfish | stoned: me too - I go to pick up mexican in 12 minutes. |
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| 02:17.25 | jshriver | rename *.jpeg *.jpg |
| 02:17.30 | NikosGr | /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb3 vfat auto |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | matej_: and what is $AUTOCONF set to ? |
| 02:18.10 | matej_ | abrotman: no idea -- nothing by me, I hoped that Makefile will do the right thing |
| 02:18.13 | NikosGr | thingfish, ? |
| 02:18.25 | thingfish | NikosGr: gosh I don't know...I swear I've never had to mount a vfat partition. look at man mount. |
| 02:18.31 | matej_ | abrotman: it's kopete, so I expected their Makefiles just work. |
| 02:18.41 | stoned | NikosGr, what about the dumps? |
| 02:18.46 | stoned | tack a 0 0 at the end |
| 02:18.57 | NikosGr | dumps whats that? |
| 02:19.07 | NikosGr | is auto option ok |
| 02:19.10 | NikosGr | ? |
| 02:19.11 | stoned | where you throw trash you dont want the city takes it |
| 02:19.15 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:19.32 | NikosGr | ? |
| 02:19.35 | stoned | NikosGr, man mount |
| 02:19.38 | NikosGr | i dont follow |
| 02:19.48 | thingfish | he's giving you a hard time, NikosGr. |
| 02:20.02 | NikosGr | yes i undertsan that :) |
| 02:20.05 | stoned | NikosGr, all the options are well documented there, better than anyone here can tell you |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | matej_: right ... kde stuff works so well .. |
| 02:20.39 | NikosGr | too many oiption man |
| 02:20.45 | NikosGr | just tell me if you know it |
| 02:20.46 | thingfish | NikosGr: back it all up and convert it to ext3. ;) |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | matej_: try an echo $AUTOCONF before line 33 |
| 02:20.53 | NikosGr | lol |
| 02:20.55 | stoned | NikosGr, you want me to do your work for you? |
| 02:21.19 | matej_ | I had to add manually AUTOCONF, AUTOMAKE, AUTOHEADER -- what's going on? |
| 02:21.21 | stoned | NikosGr, you don't want to do it yourself, you don't want to read, yet you want someone else to take the time to explain this to you |
| 02:21.30 | stoned | with all due respect, fuck off |
| 02:21.31 | stoned | :( |
| 02:21.33 | NikosGr | no just tell em the damn option |
| 02:21.37 | thingfish | NikosGr: try /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb3 vfat defaults 0 0 |
| 02:21.50 | matej_ | abrotman: sorry, it should be addressed to you |
| 02:22.10 | NikosGr | stoned, if you knew the bloddy option just name it |
| 02:22.13 | thingfish | oh gotta go get food! |
| 02:22.16 | NikosGr | it aitn to difficult to do that |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | matej_: eh ? .. how about you paste the makefile up to line 33 or something |
| 02:22.19 | thingfish | NikosGr: now be nice |
| 02:22.20 | NikosGr | thanks thingfish |
| 02:22.21 | stoned | NikosGr, what option are you looking for? |
| 02:22.38 | matej_ | that's not Makefile.common itself but admin/cvs.sh |
| 02:22.40 | NikosGr | option to be able to moun vfat on fstab |
| 02:22.47 | abrotman | matej_: whichever! |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | !tell NikosGr about vfatrw |
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| 02:23.21 | thingfish | abrotman, we love you because you're always the man with the solutions. |
| 02:23.36 | thingfish | and because of your cute bubble-butt. |
| 02:23.43 | thingfish | :) |
| 02:23.49 | stoned | NikosGr, you know if you just go through the mount manpage JUST ONE TIME, you won't be bothering us with stupid redundant questions |
| 02:23.55 | matej_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2492 |
| 02:24.05 | thingfish | oh come on be nice to the good orthodox boy |
| 02:24.16 | Red_Cloud | dondelelcaro thank for the netstat -plunt command. That displayed a lot of information that is very useful to me and just what I needed to know. |
| 02:24.22 | thingfish | it's easter, after all. |
| 02:24.27 | NikosGr | how cna i tell gdm to not start by default |
| 02:24.39 | itguy | abrotman: did you get to drive it yet? |
| 02:24.51 | stoned | NikosGr, remove it, whats the point in having it if you're not gonna use it |
| 02:25.23 | NikosGr | remove it form what file? |
| 02:25.29 | matej_ | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2493 (admin/Makefile.common) |
| 02:25.38 | stoned | NikosGr, apt-get remove gdm |
| 02:25.39 | NikosGr | not the packge just the option in the file |
| 02:25.44 | NikosGr | not the packge just the option in the file |
| 02:25.52 | NikosGr | ome initd script or soemthing |
| 02:25.53 | saber_ | damn soy milk is so good |
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| 02:26.36 | abrotman | itguy: which? |
| 02:26.36 | NikosGr | from command line how do i tell debain |
| 02:26.44 | NikosGr | not to load gdm during boot time? |
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| 02:27.04 | stoned | NikosGr, change the run level from 5 to something else |
| 02:27.09 | stoned | 4 perhaps |
| 02:27.17 | NikosGr | i dotn knwo how |
| 02:27.20 | stoned | doh 3 |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | itguy: drive what? |
| 02:27.23 | deejoe | redhat uses that, not debian |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | matej_: but that's not the broken file! |
| 02:27.30 | seb- | !simple sid backport |
| 02:27.31 | dpkg | simple sid backport is probably 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 02:28.05 | NikosGr | ist there a line that ic an selete to not havign itn laod? |
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| 02:28.07 | NikosGr | at boot time? |
| 02:28.08 | stoned | dude what? |
| 02:28.11 | matej_ | abrotman: exactly! I have no clue, what's going on -- this is not the first KDE program I was trying to compile here. GOing to ask to #debian-kde |
| 02:28.21 | stoned | deejoe, are you telilng me that debian doesn't use run levels |
| 02:28.25 | stoned | what kinda crazy shit is that |
| 02:28.28 | dirk_ | itguy: did you try apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage? |
| 02:28.32 | stoned | I mean, minus the obscenities |
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| 02:28.35 | ubern00b123 | Seems #windows is dead.. anyone a Win guru I can msg for a little bit of Hard Disk help? |
| 02:28.51 | NikosGr | stoned, ? |
| 02:28.51 | seb- | abrotman: i'm trying to fight the temptation to do apt-get -t unstable python2.4-matplotlib...please help! |
| 02:28.56 | deejoe | debian doesn't use runlevel 4 and 5 to differentiate whether x is running. |
| 02:29.09 | seb- | abrotman: i got spanked on simple sid backport |
| 02:29.17 | stoned | yes i know, 3-5 are same |
| 02:29.19 | NikosGr | so how do i put ti off? |
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| 02:29.25 | stoned | what did I say? |
| 02:29.41 | NikosGr | where? |
| 02:29.44 | abrotman | seb-: don't use python! |
| 02:29.48 | NikosGr | didnst see an anser |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | wtf did itguy go? |
| 02:30.04 | deejoe | 21:27 < stoned> NikosGr, change the run level from 5 to something else |
| 02:30.05 | deejoe | 21:27 < stoned> 4 perhaps |
| 02:30.14 | stoned | oh brain fart |
| 02:30.17 | stoned | I said that? |
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| 02:30.39 | deejoe | I've got X running on runlevel 2. |
| 02:30.45 | seb- | abrotman: anything wrong with installing pure source? |
| 02:30.50 | deejoe | that's standard Debian, IIRC. |
| 02:31.23 | anabain | why this doesn't work? awk '{ gsub("\(T\)\ 0.611\ Tj\n0.6108", " "); print }' the problem is that \n is not matched, I guess... |
| 02:31.35 | stoned | deejoe, well yes if 2 = 3-5 then umm, of course |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | seb-: look at stow or checkinstall |
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| 02:32.52 | saber_ | how can i verify a debian cd? |
| 02:33.11 | matej_ | saber_: where did you get it from? |
| 02:33.19 | saber_ | cheapbytes |
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| 02:33.32 | stoned | it should be good then i think i've heard of them |
| 02:33.48 | saber_ | but there should be a way to verify the cd from an official list |
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| 02:34.01 | abrotman | md5sum |
| 02:34.05 | dvs | saber_: They are called MD5SUM files |
| 02:34.05 | matej_ | saber_: you should find somewhere on CD md5 file and then md5sum(1) |
| 02:34.17 | saber_ | well i have an md5sum file on the cd... but how do a verify that file? |
| 02:34.25 | saber_ | i can't find the associated m5sum file anywhere |
| 02:34.28 | matej_ | saber_: md5sum(1) |
| 02:34.31 | dvs | listen to matej_ |
| 02:34.37 | abrotman | saber_: make an image of the CD ? |
| 02:35.01 | stoned | saber_, if you got sarge, rip the cd to an iso, match up the sums |
| 02:35.22 | matej_ | saber_: why do you think there should be something wrong with it? |
| 02:35.23 | saber_ | i want to do that... but don't i need to know the exact sam mkisofs commands used to create the cd? |
| 02:35.44 | saber_ | so if i use different options, the checksum should be different |
| 02:35.56 | zinx | uhm |
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| 02:36.17 | zinx | you shouldn't be using mkisofs on it. |
| 02:36.23 | stoned | saber_, use dd |
| 02:36.25 | zinx | they come pre-made |
| 02:36.29 | saber_ | ah ok! great |
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| 02:36.55 | zinx | if you use mkisofs, you're likely to mess something up so it's not bootable (common mistake) |
| 02:37.05 | deejoe | anyway, NikosGr, see /etc/init.d/README |
| 02:37.18 | saber_ | do i want to use dd using the device unmounted, or dd to the mount location |
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| 02:37.45 | deejoe | !tell NikosGr about runlevels |
| 02:37.45 | stoned | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/filename.iso |
| 02:37.52 | stoned | !telinit |
| 02:37.55 | saber_ | ok cool |
| 02:38.25 | saber_ | *phew* this will make me much less paranoid :) |
| 02:38.31 | stoned | lol |
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| 02:38.38 | jetscreamer | help my ubuntu won't buntu! |
| 02:38.47 | stoned | jetscreamer, haha |
| 02:38.59 | tofusling | Hi, i was wondering if there are FAQ pages i could read, on how to install the dependencies for GTK, for Debian? |
| 02:39.03 | abrotman | !d-i jetscreamer |
| 02:39.03 | dpkg | jetscreamer, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:39.15 | jetscreamer | !doh abrotman |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | tofusling: apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 ? |
| 02:39.21 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 02:39.42 | tofusling | ok ty, ill look into that |
| 02:39.46 | jetscreamer | tofusling: to dev or not to dev |
| 02:39.54 | abrotman | tofusling: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 02:39.58 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 02:40.25 | tofusling | im trying to get nmap front end installed |
| 02:40.31 | jetscreamer | it's fry-day |
| 02:40.34 | jetscreamer | afk |
| 02:40.49 | dvs | not for long |
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| 02:40.56 | stoned | why are there so many debian based distros? |
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| 02:41.06 | dvs | because we're damn good |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | tofusling: apt-get install nmap .. what's the problem ? |
| 02:41.30 | stoned | hmm, no just good huh, DAMN good ;) |
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| 02:41.52 | dvs | there's a name |
| 02:42.06 | stoned | there is a joint |
| 02:42.10 | tofusling | sorry, im new, i thought i had to manually install the depence myself =\ |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:42.22 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 02:48.44 | stoned | you know this is cool, you can use curse words in this channel and its not that bad, other places ban you for saying shit, fuck, piss, etc. I mean comeon, if we all started speaking these words on a normal basis, these words wouldn't hold the power that they hold. We give words their power right |
| 02:48.54 | stoned | anyway, I am just high, I should just shush |
| 02:49.06 | dvs | hence the name |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite stoned |
| 02:49.20 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer stoned: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.540305391923663! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 02:49.45 | stoned | you know, Im gonna go there |
| 02:50.36 | stoned | ahh, some irc stat stuff |
| 02:50.59 | stoned | its easier to just round off the productivity rating to like 2 decimal points, its good enough |
| 02:51.08 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:51.34 | izut | Hi there. |
| 02:51.39 | stoned | hi |
| 02:52.06 | izut | I installed testing now, then installed x-window-system, but when I do 'X -configure', it give this error: |
| 02:52.13 | samuel | anyone know when xgl will come into debian? xorg 7 is already in... |
| 02:52.16 | dvs | !drxx izut |
| 02:52.16 | dpkg | izut: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:52.20 | samuel | has been for a while |
| 02:52.21 | stoned | izut, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 02:52.52 | stoned | !listevals keytouch |
| 02:52.56 | izut | It's giving signal 11 |
| 02:53.10 | stoned | izut, what is ? |
| 02:53.16 | izut | wait. |
| 02:53.44 | izut | Backtrace: |
| 02:53.44 | izut | 0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x88) [0x8089898] |
| 02:53.44 | izut | 1: [0xffffe420] |
| 02:53.44 | izut | 2: X(xf86DriverlistFromCompile+0x29) [0x8081499] |
| 02:53.44 | izut | 3: X(DoConfigure+0x11) [0x8073ea1] |
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| 02:53.59 | stoned | huh? |
| 02:54.04 | izut | Sorry. |
| 02:54.07 | izut | how can I paste it to you? |
| 02:54.12 | stoned | pastebin.com |
| 02:54.12 | izut | #flood? |
| 02:54.14 | ronc | help!!!! |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | !drxx izut |
| 02:54.14 | dpkg | izut: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:54.20 | dvs | izut: you trying to run X? |
| 02:54.25 | izut | dvs: yes. |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | !ask |
| 02:54.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:54.33 | dvs | izut: DONT |
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| 02:55.03 | izut | dvs: why not. |
| 02:55.07 | dvs | !drxx izut |
| 02:55.07 | dpkg | izut: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:55.11 | stoned | lol |
| 02:55.19 | stoned | its the 3rd time, hopefully this will be the charm |
| 02:55.31 | stoned | or however the saying goes |
| 02:55.36 | dvs | stoned: I think someone is competing for your title |
| 02:55.44 | stoned | dvs, I am stoned, not stupid |
| 02:55.52 | ronc | hey there, i need to figure out how and where to set my video card resolution?! |
| 02:56.06 | dvs | stoned: could me more stoned |
| 02:56.08 | stoned | ronc, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf |
| 02:56.25 | izut | dvs: but why can't I use 'X -configure' ? |
| 02:56.25 | ronc | cool, thanks |
| 02:56.34 | stoned | izut, because it is obsolete |
| 02:56.37 | stoned | I think |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | stoned: no |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | !drxx ronc |
| 02:56.41 | dpkg | ronc: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | stoned: you're off duty .. no more helping .. go hit the bong again |
| 02:57.03 | deejoe | heh |
| 02:57.07 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:57.13 | stoned | yeh I still have not slept yet |
| 02:57.15 | izut | Ok, I figured out that I should use dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | stoned: up all night fixing grammar errors? |
| 02:57.27 | izut | there's some special reason for that? |
| 02:57.40 | deejoe | for using dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 02:57.50 | dvs | because it's Debian |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | it's the "Debian Way" |
| 02:57.58 | stoned | abrotman, no research, calculus, biology, got finals coming up next wek |
| 02:58.02 | dvs | the best way |
| 02:58.02 | izut | ok. |
| 02:58.16 | abrotman | stoned: good thing you've been putting the pipe down |
| 02:58.30 | Red_Cloud | I would like to start the barnyard at boot but the install is not debian. How do I get the /etc/init.d/barnyard and rcn.d file for barnyard. I am not educated enough to write such a file/ |
| 02:58.32 | stoned | abrotman, I only stone at night time, after a days worth of ass busting on schoolwork |
| 02:58.35 | dvs | abrotman: stoned has been cutting back! ;-) |
| 02:58.42 | deejoe | which reminds me, the Economist has an article about medical marijuana in last weeks issue. |
| 02:58.48 | stoned | economist is great |
| 02:59.07 | dvs | Red_Cloud: man update-rc.d |
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| 02:59.13 | stoned | it will never be legalized, because the people making the laws in this country have never gotten high |
| 02:59.25 | dvs | stoned: they only seem like it |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite deejoe |
| 02:59.46 | deejoe | apparently there is this synthetic/isolated form of THC called Marinol that they give people as a substitute for pot, legally. But, apparently it doesn't seem to have the benefical effects, just makes the patients high. About which they complain. |
| 02:59.47 | stoned | if you have never done something in your life *drugs or whatever*, then you have no grounds to discuss it |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | stoned: right .. they only do prescription drugs and wreck cars |
| 03:00.00 | stoned | marinol is lame, it doesn't get you high, it gives you a headache |
| 03:01.19 | deejoe | i'll take your word for it. |
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| 03:01.44 | _matej | guys, can you get on-topic, please, or shut up? |
| 03:01.56 | Azar | I'll give one to my other box, maybe stops screeching |
| 03:02.27 | deejoe | abrotman: I think you want an opposite smiting--I dropped it, didn't add an extraneous one. |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | _matej: which topic? |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | deejoe: it's a joke .. sorry .. |
| 03:02.41 | deejoe | though I've been known to do that, too. |
| 03:02.49 | stoned | abrotman, you're a joke |
| 03:02.50 | _matej | abrotman: isn't this channel supposed to be about Debian? |
| 03:02.53 | stoned | oooooh! burn !! ;) |
| 03:03.04 | deejoe | if I weren't taking it as a joke, I wouldn't be suggesting additional smitings! :-) |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | _matej: oh crap! |
| 03:03.25 | deejoe | Is there a question on the floor? |
| 03:03.26 | abrotman | stoned: i am ? |
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| 03:03.34 | deejoe | if so, sorry. |
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| 03:03.37 | stoned | abrotman, j/k |
| 03:03.59 | stoned | lol |
| 03:04.24 | stoned | abrotman, that was a rough draft, I got an A man, it was all good, I had to redo half of it |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | stoned: your teacher must really have a reading disability |
| 03:04.49 | stoned | abrotman, no, like I said, I fixed it |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | stoned: or perhaps just grades on content .. and leaves grammar to another prof :) |
| 03:04.59 | Red_Cloud | dvs, how do I write the file /etc/init.d/barnyard? |
| 03:05.09 | stoned | no actually he is quite anal about grammar, his second degree is in english |
| 03:05.15 | dvs | Red_Cloud: Start with the /etc/init.d/skeleton file |
| 03:05.30 | Red_Cloud | dvs, OK thanks |
| 03:05.35 | izut | dvs: it worked now. |
| 03:05.37 | izut | thanks. |
| 03:05.38 | izut | brb |
| 03:05.45 | dvs | you're welcome |
| 03:05.51 | deejoe | barnyard? is that a meta-syntactical variable? |
| 03:06.32 | deejoe | metasyntactic, whatever. |
| 03:07.27 | Azar | say hello to DisplayPort connector, VESA has ratified version 1.0 |
| 03:07.52 | dvs | !DisplayPort |
| 03:07.58 | dvs | hmmm..... |
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| 03:08.35 | Azar | :) quote: "..as a bonus feature we could all live without, it also offers option support for copy protection" |
| 03:08.51 | Azar | dvs: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060505-6759.html |
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| 03:09.45 | Azar | well hell make no mistake: we all will miss our hardware as is today |
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| 03:10.53 | dvs | What does the plug physically look like? |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | male/female? |
| 03:12.35 | dvs | eunuch |
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| 03:13.01 | aidan | How can I install Sun's JVM? |
| 03:13.04 | Azar | dvs, I might get googling to have some pictures |
| 03:13.09 | dvs | !java-package |
| 03:13.09 | markybob | !java |
| 03:13.09 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 03:13.09 | dpkg | java is probably Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 03:13.25 | Azar | sun proprietary |
| 03:13.46 | Coweater | is there an equivalent to lint in debian? |
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| 03:14.20 | Azar | speaking of the devil: Sun planning to move to a less restrictive license for Java http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060505-6756.html |
| 03:14.51 | abrotman | Coweater: lintian ? |
| 03:14.54 | abrotman | Azar: stop reading slashdot |
| 03:14.57 | dvs | Azar: you're just a regular /. aren't you? ;-) |
| 03:15.02 | abrotman | Coweater: apt-cache search lint |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | maybe it's clint .. who knows |
| 03:15.13 | Azar | :) abrotman, thats "arstechnica" for you |
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| 03:15.28 | abrotman | !slashdot |
| 03:15.28 | Azar | dvs, indeed, just a useless idler |
| 03:15.30 | Coweater | i did, lintian just says debian package checker, which doesn't sound like what lint does |
| 03:15.30 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (9 of 10): Radioactive Warning for Future Generations ;; Best Buy Invaded By Blue Shirt Improv Artists ;; Self-Serve Car Rental ;; Giant Rock Growing in Mount St. Helens' Crater ;; Judges Challenge IP Wiretap Rules ;; Web 2.0 Recipes With PHP + DHTML ;; El Reg Says Google Choking on Spam Sites ;; Are Spam Blockers Too Strict? ;; One Big Bang, Or Many?. |
| 03:15.37 | abrotman | there .. now we don't have to go read the crap azar posts :) |
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| 03:15.53 | Azar | abrotman: it's not my fault slashdot steal stories from arstechnica |
| 03:16.12 | abrotman | Coweater: lint is for C? |
| 03:16.13 | aidan | how do I get "java-package" from contrib? apt-get install javapackage does not work |
| 03:16.23 | jetscreamer | so we'll just buy from the chinese or whoever doesn't do drm |
| 03:16.27 | dvs | !info java-package |
| 03:16.32 | Azar | aw, I did not post that story, you are flattering me too much, abrotman |
| 03:16.34 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.27 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 03:16.38 | markybob | aidan, it's apt-get install java-package |
| 03:16.39 | jetscreamer | black market computers |
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| 03:16.54 | Coweater | abrotman: C i believe, although something that did C++ would be sort of more useful |
| 03:16.56 | dvs | markybob: but aidan probably still needs contrib |
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| 03:17.02 | abrotman | !info splint sarge |
| 03:17.09 | dpkg | splint: (A tool for statically checking C programs for bugs), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.1.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 789 kB, Installed size: 2664 kB |
| 03:17.14 | abrotman | Coweater: like that ? |
| 03:17.20 | Azar | Coweater: to write C you do not need a special compiler, just use vi |
| 03:17.36 | Azar | ah bug checker .. |
| 03:17.36 | abrotman | vi is not a compiler .. and neither is lint |
| 03:17.39 | markybob | wow. |
| 03:17.48 | Azar | no vi is an editor |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | markybob: did you find pictures of me? |
| 03:17.54 | Azar | gcc is the compiler |
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| 03:18.07 | markybob | abrotman, i must've missed that part. didnt know i was supposed to be looking :) |
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| 03:18.17 | ubern00b123 | Is mkfs.vfat on the debian install disks? |
| 03:18.20 | abrotman | Azar: no kidding |
| 03:18.24 | abrotman | !tell ubern00b123 about search |
| 03:18.29 | abrotman | !find mkfs.vfat sarge |
| 03:18.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 03:18.42 | cunzhang | hi,why my debian can't run glxgears,which package should I install? |
| 03:18.44 | markybob | abrotman, i've seen pictures of you in the past. cant recall where |
| 03:19.03 | jetscreamer | scary ain't it? |
| 03:19.07 | Azar | markybob: does abrotman have a big beard like Stallman? |
| 03:19.09 | abrotman | markybob: damog's blog |
| 03:19.10 | ubern00b123 | !find mkfs.vfat woody |
| 03:19.15 | ronc | had a case of stupid hit me....how do i set that vidioe resolution again?! |
| 03:19.19 | jetscreamer | woody? |
| 03:19.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | !drxx ronc |
| 03:19.21 | dpkg | ronc: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:19.29 | dvs | here we go again |
| 03:19.32 | ubern00b123 | I'm using 3.0r2 disks. |
| 03:19.43 | jetscreamer | !drxxx |
| 03:19.49 | jetscreamer | !dr.xxx |
| 03:19.50 | cunzhang | hi,my debian can't run glxgears,which package should I install? |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | ubern00b123: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 03:20.02 | jetscreamer | glut-utils or something |
| 03:20.05 | aidan | dvs: do I apt-get install contrib or something magical? |
| 03:20.07 | Azar | ubern00b123: good for you keep them is the most precious installer for me to date |
| 03:20.09 | abrotman | !find bin/glxgears sarge |
| 03:20.12 | ubern00b123 | is otherosfs/dosfstools on the first disk, or where would I find out? |
| 03:20.12 | dvs | !contrib |
| 03:20.12 | dpkg | i guess contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 03:20.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxgears' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 03:20.36 | ubern00b123 | Azar: I know, and sbm.bin with rawrite is my precious. |
| 03:21.33 | Azar | ubern00b123: documentation on woody I guess mostly on google now: here everyone looks up to Etch already |
| 03:21.46 | abrotman | ubern00b123: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
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| 03:22.13 | cunzhang | dpkg,I have install xbase-clients,but can't find glxgears |
| 03:22.13 | ubern00b123 | I'm not sure, I'm not exactly running on Debian right now. |
| 03:22.21 | ubern00b123 | I only have the install disks. |
| 03:22.23 | ubern00b123 | 1-7. :P |
| 03:22.38 | Azar | ubern00b123: first time Debian? |
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| 03:22.49 | tim_flatus | cunzhang, apt-get install glxgears will install all other needed applications |
| 03:22.55 | abrotman | no |
| 03:23.00 | abrotman | it's in xbase-clients |
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| 03:23.25 | tim_flatus | abrotman, sorry |
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| 03:23.30 | ubern00b123 | Experienced N00b. I've installed it before, with help from someone who knew what they were doing.. now I'm just trying to find a disk partition utility to help my current computer, since my only other alternative is m Win98 boot disk. |
| 03:23.48 | cunzhang | tim_flatus,when running apt-get install glxgears ,say can't find glxgears |
| 03:23.53 | Azar | ubern00b123: want to get the Debian wargetch? |
| 03:24.06 | Red_Cloud | dvs, thanks very much for the direction to the skeleton file. This makes the creation of a /etc/init.d/barnyard file much easier than the option of me creating it from scratch. Thanks. |
| 03:24.10 | tim_flatus | cunzhang, ignore me abrotman is right |
| 03:24.15 | cunzhang | tim_flatus,I use debian sid |
| 03:24.33 | Azar | ubern00b123: you know how to edit your /etc/apt/sources? ever did it? |
| 03:24.35 | ubern00b123 | Azar: I'm sorry, but I don't know what that is. |
| 03:24.42 | ubern00b123 | oh |
| 03:24.50 | dvs | Red_Cloud: you're welcome |
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| 03:26.03 | tim_flatus | cunzhang, if you already have the package installed, then it is not a case of missing dependencies. |
| 03:26.15 | cunzhang | abrotman,but I still can't find glxgears in debian sid.my xbase-clients is new |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | !find glxgears sid |
| 03:26.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glxgears' (3): (/usr/bin/glxgears) in x11/mesa-utils ;; (/usr/bin/fgl_glxgears) in non-free/x11/fglrx-driver ;; (/usr/share/mesademos/progs/xdemos/{glxgears.c|glxgears_fbconfig.c}) in graphics/mesademos. |
| 03:27.16 | ronc | what would be the best selection in x config to set for a Diamond Viper 550 agp?! |
| 03:27.30 | Azar | ubern00b123: wargetch is like this: install Woody; install aptitude ; aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade; up the kernel from 2.4.18 to 2.6.8 > change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing > aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade > change the kernel up to 2.6.15 ; install X ; get nvidia/ati drivers; customize your desktop. |
| 03:27.32 | abrotman | s3? maybe? |
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| 03:27.44 | abrotman | Azar: wtf is that for? |
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| 03:28.00 | Azar | abrotman: he has the woody CDs, I show him how to get to etch |
| 03:28.20 | cunzhang | dpkg,abrotman,my graphics card is nvidia |
| 03:28.21 | dpkg | cunzhang: okay |
| 03:28.23 | Azar | abrotman: if I am wrong tell me I take notes |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | Azar: how about you show him how to get sarge ... |
| 03:28.59 | Azar | ah ok but I thought etch is ok now |
| 03:29.04 | abrotman | try not to give ubernoob0001-neverusedlinuxbefore something that breaks sometimes |
| 03:29.08 | ronc | gonna try that thanks abrotman |
| 03:29.13 | abrotman | no .. it's testing .. it will be "OK" when it's released |
| 03:29.34 | Azar | damn he is gone |
| 03:29.44 | Azar | I would show him how to handle lilo |
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| 03:30.49 | sorcre | Hello, has anyone gotten/heard of a XN-2411b wireless network card working under Debian? |
| 03:32.14 | cunzhang | dpkg ,when I run glxgears ,nothing printed |
| 03:32.28 | Dwonis | Does anyone know of a way to make a partial Debian mirror using something other than anonftpsync? The problem with anonftpsync is that although it's fairly easy to limit to a specific arch, it still copies almost everything in pool/, even packages that are only in woody, and this causes my rather smallish hard drive to fill up. |
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| 03:32.57 | Dwonis | What I want is to mirror just, e.g. i386/all/source etch |
| 03:33.16 | mmartinn | Has anyone encountered a bad signature on official install disks for the fdutils package? |
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| 03:36.07 | sorcre | Which release of debian would be best for a wireless laptop? experimental? I'm not sure how outdated ndiswrapper is in stable. |
| 03:36.28 | Dwonis | !tell sorcre about pdo |
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| 03:38.49 | abrotman | cunzhang: glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 03:39.34 | cunzhang | abrotman,I want to know if my nvidia card have 3d |
| 03:39.40 | Dwonis | abrotman: It's still useful, because with glxgears it's sometimes hard to tell the difference between 20 fps and 200 fps |
| 03:39.52 | cunzhang | abrotman,I want to know if my nvidia card have 3d acceleration |
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| 03:40.16 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:40.29 | cunzhang | abrotman,I can't run 3D game |
| 03:41.01 | abrotman | did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 03:41.09 | cunzhang | abrotman,yes |
| 03:41.33 | Azar | cunzhang: I have a GeForce MX MX 400 ( does not run 3D acceleration) |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:41.36 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 03:41.44 | SonnyBurnett | Hello, I have mi printer working in Debian Etch,(HP PSC-2175all-in-one), Why I can't print from acrobat reader? It says that: ERROR-spool queue for 'hp2175' does not exist on server gaf1.gaf. How can i solve it? |
| 03:41.58 | Dwonis | cunzhang: Some genius thought it would be a good idea to remove the fps indicator from glxgears, apparently. try tuxracer or planetpenguin-racer |
| 03:42.30 | cunzhang | Dwonis,3q |
| 03:42.41 | Red_Cloud | dvs, OK I have created a /etc/init.d/barnyard file and was wondering about the rcn.d level. Should barnyard be the last in the start order series of snort, mysql, & then barnyard.? |
| 03:42.53 | Dwonis | cunzhang: "3q", huh? |
| 03:43.05 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: noone knows what barnyard is .. it's up to you |
| 03:43.05 | cunzhang | Azar,abrotman,Dwonis,thank you! |
| 03:43.19 | zebalin4 | abrotman: hey. beep. hope you are well. |
| 03:43.21 | Azar | cunzhang: don't forget dpkg |
| 03:43.28 | abrotman | zebalin4: car shopping sucks! |
| 03:43.39 | zebalin4 | abrotman: what are you in market for? |
| 03:43.40 | cunzhang | dpkg,I'm sorry.Thank you,too!! |
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| 03:44.24 | quik__ | hey folks |
| 03:44.29 | abrotman | zebalin4: something with four wheels :) |
| 03:44.43 | zebalin4 | abrotman: car shopping is easy. get the prices from edumunds.com and call the 'internet' salesman with your offer. That's how I bought my Honda civic. |
| 03:45.01 | Red_Cloud | dvs, abrotman thanks. I will make a wag and since S20snort and S20mysql are necessary before barnyard is workable, then I will create the link to S21barnyard. If it does not operate satisfactorily, then I shall condemn myself to 30 days in the electric chair (on thin rations). |
| 03:45.03 | abrotman | zebalin4: i'm looking at civic,tC,GTI |
| 03:45.03 | quik__ | what is the best command line compression that I can use to zip a folder up? |
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| 03:45.36 | Dwonis | quik__: what's in the folder? |
| 03:45.36 | abrotman | matej_: are you going to stay on topic this time ? |
| 03:45.36 | cunzhang | Dwonis,sorry.In chinese,three pronounce ðәn |
| 03:46.08 | quik__ | Dwonis: Dumps from svn, I'm writing a shell script to dump all my svns, zip and ftp them elsewhere |
| 03:46.09 | matej_ | abrotman: certainly not! |
| 03:46.22 | zebalin4 | abrotman: that's a popular model. expect to pay close to list for it. |
| 03:46.24 | quik__ | I just can't get a good level of compression and wanted to know the best one |
| 03:46.39 | zebalin4 | abrotman: what part of country/world are you in? |
| 03:46.47 | abrotman | zebalin4: philly |
| 03:46.51 | Dwonis | quik__: well, if you want to preserve permissions, I'd use tar cpsPSzf foo.tar.gz folder/ |
| 03:46.55 | abrotman | zebalin4: for which car :) |
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| 03:47.29 | zebalin4 | abrotman: should have no prob. finding a civic gti in the philly or NYC area. |
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| 03:47.51 | mhall | hey i am trying to play h264 hdtv clip in mplayer and it's too slow. what viedo out and sound out are fastest |
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| 03:47.57 | abrotman | zebalin4: no .. it's civic/tC/GTI .. three different cars :) |
| 03:48.00 | Dwonis | quik__: If you're really crazy, you could try "tar cpsPS folder/ | bzip2 -9c > foo.tar.bz2" |
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| 03:48.08 | Dwonis | quik__: I wouldn't bother with anything more than that |
| 03:48.11 | sinisterr | hmm never new cars were part of the topic ! |
| 03:48.13 | mcg | anyone having problems with mysql-server in testing? Under heavy load it whittles down to just one thread and stops responding. |
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| 03:48.35 | abrotman | it's testing ? |
| 03:48.38 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I thought Honda made a sports-Civc called the GTI. OK what is a tC? What is a GTI? |
| 03:48.47 | abrotman | zebalin4: aren't you in the states? |
| 03:48.47 | Dwonis | quik__: note that bzip2 is a lot slower at decompression than gzip |
| 03:48.53 | zebalin4 | abrotman: Calif. |
| 03:49.00 | abrotman | zebalin4: htf do you not know gti ? |
| 03:49.17 | abrotman | zebalin4: Honda Civic, Scion tC, Volkswagen GTI |
| 03:49.19 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I'm not that much into cars. |
| 03:49.28 | mhall | zebalin4: thought it was 7 not 4 ;) |
| 03:49.34 | quik__ | Dwonis: why is that crazy? |
| 03:49.50 | zebalin4 | abrotman: well the Scion is way over-priced for what you get. Is the GTI based on the pasat or golf or jetta? |
| 03:50.07 | abrotman | zebalin4: it's a golf on crack :) |
| 03:50.10 | Dwonis | quik__: because usually the compression isn't _that_ much better to be worth the extra time you spend waiting around for the compression/decompression to finish |
| 03:50.18 | Dwonis | quik__; (better than gzip, I mean) |
| 03:50.26 | abrotman | zebalin4: and the scion isn't priced that badly ... and it's still a "toyota" |
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| 03:50.54 | zebalin4 | abrotman: has tiny wheels, an anemic engine and is dumb looking. |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | zebalin4: i think you're thinking of a different car .. it's got a bigger engine than the civic |
| 03:51.13 | quik__ | the golf is the better car of all three |
| 03:51.22 | abrotman | quik__: GTI .. not golf |
| 03:51.22 | zebalin4 | abrotman: The volks has a spotty repair record as I remember. |
| 03:51.24 | quik__ | Dwonis: right, so maybe gzip isn't a bad choice? |
| 03:51.27 | mhall | zebalin4: are you alive? ;) |
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| 03:51.34 | abrotman | zebalin4: i have a jetta now .. it's fine |
| 03:51.36 | quik__ | abrotman: A GTi golf is still a golf |
| 03:51.48 | abrotman | quik__: in body style only pretty much |
| 03:51.50 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I have a civic. everything has a bigger engine. I hate my civic.... except when I go to the gas pump. |
| 03:51.51 | quik__ | unless you're getting an R32.. its just a golf |
| 03:52.28 | zebalin4 | abrotman: volks parts are overpriced. Toyota and honda parts are more reasonable. |
| 03:53.05 | quik__ | The volkswagen is going to be more expensive, but the build quality is superb (unless you're in the US and they're from mexico) |
| 03:53.06 | Dwonis | quik__: In general, gzip is fine for most things, yes. |
| 03:53.13 | mhall | !test |
| 03:53.13 | dpkg | Sorry, mhall, I didn't get your test. |
| 03:53.17 | quik__ | but my bora is german built and very good |
| 03:53.18 | zebalin4 | abrotman: while I hate my 2004 civic it IS a well-made machine. |
| 03:53.25 | Dwonis | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 03:53.29 | Dwonis | bah |
| 03:53.41 | quik__ | Dwonis: is there a particular command that will compress it better using gzip? |
| 03:53.41 | zebalin4 | abrotman: just slow as hell. zero to 60 in about a week! |
| 03:53.43 | abrotman | zebalin4: but the GTI is a far superior car |
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| 03:54.11 | zebalin4 | abrotman: what does a new gti go for? |
| 03:54.18 | zebalin4 | $25k> |
| 03:54.22 | abrotman | zebalin4: they redesigned the seats in the civic .. really really narrow |
| 03:54.26 | Dwonis | quik__: tar cvpsPS folder/ | gzip -9c > foo.tar.gz |
| 03:54.27 | abrotman | about 24k .. maybe less |
| 03:54.47 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I've not seen the new civic. I heard they put in a bigger engine than the pitiful thing I have. |
| 03:54.50 | quik__ | Dwonis: so it tars and gzips? |
| 03:54.55 | Dwonis | quik__: (note that the "v" just means "verbose", and "psPS" just preserves permissions, links, sparse files, and stuff.) |
| 03:54.59 | Dwonis | quik__: yes |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | zebalin4: yes .. but the seats are narrow .. i'm not a big guy .. and it's uncomfortable |
| 03:55.13 | quik__ | I usually just use tar cvvf.. but I barely know the difference |
| 03:55.40 | zebalin4 | abrotman: why would they narrow down the seats. did they shrink the overall width? |
| 03:55.42 | Dwonis | quik__: ah. cvvf has no compression at all (though you could gzip the .tar file after the fact, if you wanted to) |
| 03:55.49 | zebalin4 | abrotman: (of car?) |
| 03:55.54 | abrotman | zebalin4: nope .. it's the racing-style bucket seats |
| 03:56.06 | abrotman | zebalin4: so your butt doesn't slide |
| 03:56.13 | zebalin4 | abrotman: how the hell can you 'race' in a civic? |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | zebalin4: against a goat? :) |
| 03:56.45 | mhall | Dwonis: it was erased due to some politics |
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| 03:56.52 | zebalin4 | abrotman: in my day a 'goat' was a GTO. |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | zebalin4: heh |
| 03:57.02 | Dwonis | mhall: yeah, I know, I'm just bitter ;) |
| 03:57.13 | Red_Cloud | I would like to make a symbolic link. Is this the correct syntax? |
| 03:57.18 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.21 | abrotman | man ln |
| 03:57.22 | mhall | Dwonis: your feelings are shared by the smite's originator |
| 03:57.28 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: man update-rc.d |
| 03:57.30 | dondelelcaro | Red_Cloud: just ln, but that's not what you want to do; use update-rc.d |
| 03:57.34 | Dwonis | mhall: you the originator? |
| 03:57.40 | dondelelcaro | s/ln/& -s/ |
| 03:57.46 | zebalin4 | abrotman: a big, honking Pontiac with a monster 350 hp engine. It would shut down anything on the road. I'm old as hell. |
| 03:57.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:57.53 | Red_Cloud | OK, will do. |
| 03:58.48 | quik__ | American cars don't steer.. or have any level of refinement |
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| 03:59.04 | quik__ | hehee |
| 03:59.32 | mhall | hey i am trying to play h264 hdtv clip in mplayer and it's too slow. what video out and sound out are fastest |
| 03:59.37 | dondelelcaro | quik__: depends on the car |
| 03:59.55 | quik__ | dondelelcaro: Yeah it really does, I was just playing |
| 04:00.04 | abrotman | quik__: do you mean cars sold here .. or cars made by "The Big Three" ? |
| 04:00.05 | mmartinn | Has anyone encountered a bad signature on official install disks for the fdutils package in testing? |
| 04:00.06 | dondelelcaro | quik__: C5R for example steers quite weel... |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | wtf is C5R ? |
| 04:00.19 | quik__ | I don't know a C5R |
| 04:00.26 | zebalin4 | quik__: most non-US cars are too tightly-sprung for my old butt! |
| 04:00.36 | dondelelcaro | http://www.z06-corvette.com/super/corvette-c5r-04.jpg |
| 04:00.46 | dondelelcaro | only 0.5M |
| 04:00.51 | abrotman | i guess we don't all make as much money as dondelelcaro |
| 04:00.53 | quik__ | zebalin4: oh thats a silly statement, it depends on the car. a sports sedan will do that |
| 04:00.54 | zebalin4 | quik__: you feel every pebble on the road. Sports car fans like that. |
| 04:01.00 | quik__ | exactly |
| 04:01.14 | quik__ | I wish the ride on my car was a little more forgiving at times |
| 04:01.21 | quik__ | but cornering is fantastic |
| 04:01.31 | zebalin4 | quik__: what do you have? BMW? |
| 04:01.57 | quik__ | a specced out volkswagen bora v5 |
| 04:02.04 | zebalin4 | quik__: BMW is one of the best engineered cars on road... but again, very hard ride. |
| 04:02.12 | abrotman | that's a Jetta for .us folks :) |
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| 04:02.31 | zebalin4 | quik__: you tricked out a VW? |
| 04:02.47 | quik__ | abrotman: we just got jettas here.. I wasn't overally impressed.. I think our market is following yours |
| 04:02.49 | abrotman | zebalin4: lots of people do .. i have a friend who races a corrado |
| 04:02.54 | Red_Cloud | The most enjoyable auto to drive that I have owned was a '58 MGA roadster. |
| 04:02.56 | abrotman | quik__: bora is jetta |
| 04:03.01 | quik__ | zebalin4: not tricked out.. its just fully loaded. |
| 04:03.13 | abrotman | quik__: yours is the last version IIRC .. from 1999-2004 or so |
| 04:03.19 | zebalin4 | quik__: at one time (3 yrs ago) the civic was the car of choice to trick out. Not sure why. |
| 04:03.41 | dbindner_ | Hey everyone, I got my amd64 with the sata-ahci driver booting Sarge from a custom kernel finally. Thanks for the ideas. |
| 04:03.42 | quik__ | cheap to get. cheap parts? |
| 04:03.48 | abrotman | both |
| 04:03.54 | quik__ | abrotman: yeah, 2004 |
| 04:04.05 | Azar | interesting, I just found out that GNU is the main operating system with Linux added. |
| 04:04.06 | abrotman | quik__: i have a 2000 Bora/Jetta |
| 04:04.17 | quik__ | abrotman: which engine? |
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| 04:04.28 | zebalin4 | I'd like to find a good small car with a large engine (but not too large) that GOES when you hit the accelerator. Mazda zoom zoom? |
| 04:04.35 | abrotman | regular 2.0 .. and it was enough to get me about 7 tickets :) |
| 04:04.36 | Red_Cloud | Next to the MGA for enjoyment was my 1925 Ford Model T Roadster. Wonderful enjoyment. |
| 04:04.50 | kreg_dcdi | just put a 2nd video card in my debian box. it's a typical S3 pci video card. any suggestions how to make it work as an extended desktop? |
| 04:05.07 | quik__ | abrotman: Mine's the V5 2.3 litre.. its quick but the V6 4 motion blows it away |
| 04:05.16 | zebalin4 | I sold a '65 Mustang recently. Had it for 10 years. Was fun but time came to give it home where it would get more use. |
| 04:05.28 | abrotman | quik__: i wonder if that's the same as mine .. and you guys measure differently :) |
| 04:05.34 | Azar | gasoline got expensive, will put your cars in a museum soon |
| 04:05.44 | abrotman | got expensive? |
| 04:05.54 | Azar | yes? |
| 04:05.57 | zebalin4 | gas is cheap in US compared to UK or Europe. |
| 04:06.00 | abrotman | and .us gas is still cheaper than most places |
| 04:06.02 | quik__ | Or australia. |
| 04:06.11 | quik__ | $1.40AU/Litre |
| 04:06.25 | Azar | .. well say 3 times more over 10 years |
| 04:06.26 | gartt | zebalin4: Yes, and still more expensive than it should be |
| 04:06.29 | abrotman | mine is up to $3/gallon |
| 04:06.30 | quik__ | 1 litres = 0.264172051 US gallons |
| 04:06.42 | Azar | $3.65 in L.A. |
| 04:06.57 | gartt | Azar: Jeeeze |
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| 04:07.08 | quik__ | 1.40 AUD = 1.08087 USD |
| 04:07.08 | jetscreamer | only like 2.85 in houston |
| 04:07.11 | zebalin4 | If everyone drove small cars in US instead of honking SUVs it would cut consumption in half and prices might go down? |
| 04:07.12 | Azar | gartt: and going up, by summer we will be over $4.00 |
| 04:07.19 | gartt | Azar: I don't doubt it |
| 04:07.24 | gartt | Look at last summer |
| 04:07.28 | gartt | What was your high there? |
| 04:07.47 | Azar | $2.45 last summer |
| 04:07.55 | gartt | zebalin4: SUVs suck :) Totally impractical |
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| 04:08.05 | quik__ | alright lads, I'm out to go hang with my lady. thanks for the help Dwonis |
| 04:08.19 | zebalin4 | I well remember the gas lines of 1973 and 77. We were going to become "oil free". Yeah right. I'm old as hell. |
| 04:09.11 | abrotman | dust farter! |
| 04:09.22 | PumpkinPie | if we all used fuel efficient cars and ran bio diesel gas.. like the metro buses here run |
| 04:09.31 | Dwonis | quik__: ciao |
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| 04:10.13 | abrotman | i still need a car :) |
| 04:11.00 | jetscreamer | !sing abrotman wants to ride his bi!cycle! |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: too far to work .. or i would |
| 04:11.13 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 04:11.35 | Dwonis | !action sings abrotman wants to ride his bi!cycle! |
| 04:11.51 | jetscreamer | !literal sing |
| 04:11.51 | dpkg | "#debian sing" is "<reply> Heyyyyy, Macarena! || <reply> Everybody's got a water buffalo, yours is fast but mine is slow..... http://www.bpfh.net/stories/tcp-towers/water-buffalo.html || '\o Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around '\o || <reply> Daisy, daisy, give me your answer do..." |
| 04:12.06 | abrotman | i've been too wrapped up in car shopping to go bike riding ... which sucks |
| 04:12.13 | jetscreamer | !sing |
| 04:12.13 | dpkg | Daisy, daisy, give me your answer do... |
| 04:12.36 | xerophyte | does anybody use monit and its runs as root and its has httpd server just wondering if that good idea to allow the monit to run as root.. is there anyway i can run as normal user |
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| 04:13.14 | minerale | I have a 250GB usb drive and unsure what filesystem to format it in ... I'd like to be able to use it on Windows Linux and Mac's |
| 04:13.24 | valdyn | xerophyte: it needs to run as root obviously |
| 04:13.40 | valdyn | xerophyte: or who else can start and stop random daemons? |
| 04:14.05 | xerophyte | valdyn, i am littel concern about its httpd server for the stats and stuff :( |
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| 04:15.56 | tilrman | minerale: dunno about mac, but fat32 is probably your best bet |
| 04:16.35 | abrotman | except that pesky 4GB file limit |
| 04:17.10 | Dwonis | can Darwin handle ext2? |
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| 04:17.25 | Dwonis | I think there's an ext2 driver for Windows floating around |
| 04:17.28 | acad | we are looking for log files for ssh sessions |
| 04:17.35 | acad | server side |
| 04:17.55 | acad | /var/log/secure doesn't exist- where might i look |
| 04:18.28 | valdyn | acad: ssh sessions are not logged by default |
| 04:18.42 | abrotman | the login itself is .. |
| 04:18.49 | acad | so i can't even find out who logged in? |
| 04:18.52 | abrotman | sure |
| 04:18.59 | acad | aww- where would that be |
| 04:19.02 | valdyn | acad: /var/log/auth.log |
| 04:19.05 | abrotman | wait .. who logged in ? or login failures? |
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| 04:19.13 | D-Line | #ceviz.net #ceviz.net #ceviz.net |
| 04:19.14 | D-Line | #ceviz.net #ceviz.net #ceviz.net |
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| 04:19.30 | acad | but that doesn't tell you what ip address or anything- i wouldn't know if they used port forwarding or anything like that either- correct |
| 04:19.38 | abrotman | acad: /var/log/auth.log will show ssh login attempts |
| 04:19.55 | acad | ok- but not successful logins |
| 04:19.55 | valdyn | acad: or simply use the 'last' command |
| 04:20.29 | acad | so by default nothing really gets logged about a users activities |
| 04:20.51 | acad | other then .bash_history, etc. but that is at a diferent level... |
| 04:21.01 | acad | ssh info isn't realy logged |
| 04:21.16 | Azar | acad: in /var/log/auth.log like abrotman say you see who attempts to log in and who was actually successfully logged in at what time |
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| 04:22.08 | Azar | acad: to free your logs of dictionary attacks: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 04:23.36 | buu | Hrm. I have an mdadm question. I have a device with a faulty drive. I stopped it and took out the bad drive and replaced it with a new one |
| 04:23.48 | buu | How do I tell it to start up again with the new drive? |
| 04:23.51 | acad | does last have a log file? |
| 04:24.09 | valdyn | !utmp |
| 04:24.09 | dpkg | i heard utmp is it records information on who is currently logged in. see btmp, or see "man utmp" |
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| 04:25.44 | valdyn | acad: reads /var/log/wtmp |
| 04:25.58 | Dwonis | Azar: note that if somebody can spoof your remote address, this is a good way for him to DoS you |
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| 04:27.41 | Azar | Dwonis: right, nothing is secure but at least I got rid of zillions of unuseful lines in the log |
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| 04:28.00 | buu | Argh, how the hell do I start my raid |
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| 04:28.25 | tim_flatus | Ah thanks for /var/log/auth.log hint, now I can see that I have my pam_limits all screwed. :D |
| 04:29.34 | acad | can i see what ip/servers a user has connected to? |
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| 04:30.27 | Azar | hehe nice comment by Dennis Ritchie re: Kernel Panic: "If there's an error, we have this routine called panic, and when it is called, the machine crashes, and you holler down the hall, 'Hey, reboot it.' " |
| 04:30.45 | voltagex | how can I get a USB drive to automount when I plug it in? |
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| 04:31.53 | acad | is every connection to and from a server logged? and how would i view this log? |
| 04:31.59 | acad | by default- |
| 04:32.42 | buu | .. utmp? |
| 04:34.29 | WhitePerson | utmp? |
| 04:34.31 | WhitePerson | where is this? |
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| 04:36.01 | buu | Um. last? |
| 04:36.04 | buu | Dunno. |
| 04:36.43 | buu | How do I start this bloody raid device |
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| 04:40.06 | cheikh | is this the channel of the linux guru |
| 04:40.22 | cheikh | damn 700 of them |
| 04:40.25 | pulq | guidelines |
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| 04:43.02 | SonnyBurnett | hi, I want to connect mi hp48gx to the Pc using hptax, how so I enable the serial port? using any COM ? |
| 04:43.41 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:43.53 | OPP | hi |
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| 04:44.05 | OPP | im kind of new to linux and am going to install debian on my laptop |
| 04:44.08 | OPP | but |
| 04:44.18 | OPP | for the manual package distributions on the install |
| 04:44.23 | OPP | how many are there? |
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| 04:44.57 | Noboru | which command to check the current running level ? |
| 04:44.59 | dondelelcaro | OPP: I'm not sure what you're asking, but beyond the essential packages, you only have to install what you want to install. |
| 04:45.21 | OPP | ya\ |
| 04:45.24 | OPP | but |
| 04:45.28 | OPP | can i install like mplayer |
| 04:45.29 | OPP | and vlc |
| 04:45.31 | OPP | and codecs |
| 04:45.32 | offby1 | anyone who might be able to help me get my computer booted, please join me in #offby1-boot |
| 04:45.33 | Azar | OPP http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 04:45.35 | offby1 | symptom: |
| 04:45.45 | offby1 | initrd-tools: 0.1.81.1 |
| 04:45.45 | offby1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.45 | offby1 | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 04:45.58 | OPP | what i was asking was |
| 04:46.09 | dondelelcaro | OPP: if you add unofficial sources, yes. |
| 04:46.14 | OPP | does the manual package configurer have codecs and vlc |
| 04:46.15 | Azar | OPP once you installed the base, (with a 2.6 kernel) you can install lots of other applications thereafter |
| 04:46.17 | jetscreamer | you have >1 hd controller |
| 04:46.25 | OPP | ahh |
| 04:46.30 | OPP | is synaptics installed? |
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| 04:46.35 | OPP | or can i choose that |
| 04:46.39 | Noboru | This 3.0 installer is kinda strange |
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| 04:46.52 | Noboru | it installed NFS for me yet i dont need it |
| 04:46.53 | Azar | OPP: base means: the stable installation, the proper kernel, drivers, and X |
| 04:47.20 | Azar | Noboru: what is wrong with 3.0 ? |
| 04:47.26 | OPP | i just want to know if there is any install version where i can get codecs and the applications i want so i dont have to later to do the apt-get for them |
| 04:47.38 | dondelelcaro | OPP: you can install it if you want it |
| 04:47.46 | OPP | cool |
| 04:47.51 | Noboru | Azar, not much :) i mean there are something changed in thus 3.0 installer that it installs some stuff i dont need |
| 04:47.57 | Azar | OPP, aptitude the package manager of Debian installs from Debian repositories all packages you need from there |
| 04:48.06 | dondelelcaro | OPP: if you choose everything that you want initially, you wont have to install it later. However, there's no install that magically figures out what you want and installs it. |
| 04:48.06 | OPP | o |
| 04:48.14 | Azar | Noboru: net install? |
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| 04:48.28 | OPP | o |
| 04:48.29 | OPP | ok |
| 04:48.32 | Noboru | Azar, no, i installed it from the 3.0CD1 image |
| 04:49.00 | mhall | dondelelcaro: didn't you hear about the enhanced super cow magic install powers slated for the next major revision of apt-get |
| 04:49.04 | Azar | Noboru: strange, I have the 3.0r2 . do you use dselect ? |
| 04:49.14 | mhall | dondelelcaro: they're just waiting until Linux and crew finish the neural probe device driver |
| 04:49.16 | Noboru | Azar, after partiting was done it automatically started installing base system |
| 04:49.29 | mhall | dondelelcaro: user space is ready to go when it's done though |
| 04:49.31 | Red_Cloud | dondelelcaro, I was able to create a /etc/init.d/barnyard file and created a symbolic link to /etc/rc2.d/S21barnyard. I made barnyard executable and started it. I got the error message: start-stop-daemon: command not found What might be my problem? |
| 04:49.37 | Azar | Noboru: yes, what is wrong with that? |
| 04:49.41 | Noboru | Azar, i dont even find where that dselect window was during the process |
| 04:49.56 | Noboru | Azar, now i check i have NFS installed and running |
| 04:50.11 | Azar | Noboru: I never used dselect. To me it looks it only installs base, no X no other apps |
| 04:50.27 | Azar | Noboru: used ext3 or nfs? |
| 04:50.32 | Noboru | Azar, yeah,i used to do the same :) |
| 04:50.37 | Noboru | ext3 |
| 04:50.56 | Azar | ..strange, maybe nfs is installed as an option? |
| 04:51.17 | Azar | I really never noticed anything about nfs on my installs |
| 04:51.49 | Noboru | Azar, at boot time it has this message read as "nfs command start " |
| 04:52.06 | Azar | Noboru: using dual boot? |
| 04:52.38 | Noboru | Azar, no, but im running debian in vmware :) could this be the cause ? |
| 04:52.44 | dondelelcaro | Red_Cloud: are you starting it as root? |
| 04:53.09 | Red_Cloud | dondelelcaro, yes. The owner is root and user is root |
| 04:53.23 | dondelelcaro | OPP: read /topic, and please don't /msg me |
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| 04:53.36 | Red_Cloud | I was having troubles with it until I made it executable. My memory is diabolical and faulty. |
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| 04:54.15 | Noboru | Azar, in /etc/rc2.d i have this S21nfs-common |
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| 04:56.48 | Azar | Noboru: I have no idea how the installation/system behaves in tandem with any ms or pro-ms application |
| 04:57.57 | Red_Cloud | dondelelcaro, the syntax in the /etc/init.d/barnyard file concerning start-stop-daemon is what was in the skeleton file. I do not know enough to be able to alter that portion of the file. |
| 04:59.21 | Noboru | Azar, okay |
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| 05:00.36 | Azar | Noboru: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 05:00.53 | Noboru | ok |
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| 05:02.18 | Noboru | Azar, usually after partition is done you hit 'install base system' is that right ? |
| 05:03.58 | Azar | Noboru: I haven't seen that option on my CD after partition I usually get the Kernel and Modules installation and the screen is like modconf |
| 05:04.56 | Noboru | Azar, That is ...weird ,by the way, did you use debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.ISO ? |
| 05:06.06 | Azar | Noboru: Debian Linux 3.0r2 i368 Official CD1 |
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| 05:06.51 | Noboru | Azar, oh,so literally mine is newer than yours |
| 05:07.11 | Noboru | Azar, Thank you |
| 05:07.31 | Azar | Noboru: if you are talking about Debian Woody 3.0 here is the step by step with screens: http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/index.html |
| 05:07.38 | Noboru | Azar, I think 3.0r2 is woody no ? |
| 05:07.48 | Noboru | so mine is sarge install CD |
| 05:07.57 | Azar | Noboru: yes, I guess you are talking about 3.1, Sarge, not Woody |
| 05:08.08 | Noboru | hehe |
| 05:08.10 | Azar | I wasn't able to handle the Sarge installer |
| 05:08.14 | Azar | so I use Woody |
| 05:08.27 | Noboru | Azar, hey by the way,do you know which command to check the current run-level in debian ? |
| 05:08.53 | Azar | Noboru: uh, I guess not, I am just a newbie |
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| 05:08.57 | Noboru | Azar, to be honest,i 100% agree with you,i was stuck at the installer in sarge many times,it....sucks |
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| 05:10.14 | thin | i'm using debian stable, libapache2-mod-fastcgi doesn't seem to be available to me |
| 05:10.14 | Noboru | Azar, Never mind,let me google it,thanks anyway |
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| 05:11.08 | buu | ARgh |
| 05:11.13 | buu | Why won't mdadm add my drive? |
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| 05:14.32 | dude | does anybody know what the thing is called that is on the end of trucks that goes up and down and keeps stuff from rolling out the bed? |
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| 05:15.14 | dude | sorry i have googled and only other place to learn anything is on #debian |
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| 05:17.03 | nick|here | hi. i have installed my D-Link Pcmcia wireless card with madwifi stuff and evertyhing works fine.I can see the ath0 device in ifconfig. But can't take an IP from DHCP server. My access point has password protection. Is this the problem? |
| 05:17.04 | dude | v |
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| 05:17.18 | dude | oh I see its called a tail gate? |
| 05:17.19 | dude | thanks |
| 05:17.41 | threat | What is a good diagram making program that exists in the Debian repository? |
| 05:17.54 | dondelelcaro | threat: dia, inkscape, skencil. |
| 05:17.55 | Gokee2 | I forgot how to get the kernel source for a precompiled kernel.. I thought I used apt-get somehow lastime but searching for "kernel source" "kernel 2.6.15-1-686" "source 2.6.15-1-686" and a few other things turned up nothing... Would someone mind giving me a refreasher on getting kernel source? Thanks |
| 05:18.01 | threat | I want a Visio or CAD type diagram |
| 05:18.09 | threat | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 05:18.20 | nick|here | gokee2: try kernel.org |
| 05:18.42 | Gokee2 | nick|here, for a debian precompiled kernel? |
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| 05:19.27 | nick|here | Gokee2, which debian version are you using? |
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| 05:19.49 | Gokee2 | nick|here, 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 05:19.52 | Gokee2 | stock |
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| 05:20.32 | nick|here | Gokee2, stable, unstable, testing ... |
| 05:21.09 | Gokee2 | er... testing I think..... how would I check? |
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| 05:24.01 | wobbler | Gokee2, look for linux-source |
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| 05:25.49 | Gokee2 | wobbler, Thanks! Would "linux-source-2.6.15" work for my "2.6.15-1-686"? I don`t see anything for -1-686? Thats normal? |
| 05:26.16 | wobbler | Gokee2, yes it should |
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| 05:29.16 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.16 | DJXenon | Hello |
| 05:29.19 | DJXenon | Anyone here? |
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| 05:29.48 | DJXenon | Can someone help me change the screen resolution? |
| 05:30.05 | DJXenon | what file do i edit |
| 05:30.08 | DJXenon | thats all i need to know |
| 05:31.27 | jetscreamer | !tell DJXenon -about hwinfo |
| 05:31.31 | jetscreamer | !tell DJXenon -about drxx |
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| 05:31.55 | DJXenon | just ell me what fucking file to edit |
| 05:32.07 | Red_Cloud | DJXenon, just a moment |
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| 05:32.51 | DJXenon | your ganna ban me arent oyu.... |
| 05:33.26 | Gokee2 | wobbler, Ok cool Thanks for your help I will try that :) |
| 05:33.41 | wobbler | Gokee2, np |
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| 05:33.53 | DJXenon | wobbler |
| 05:33.55 | kreg_dcdi | welp |
| 05:33.57 | kreg_dcdi | got dual display going |
| 05:33.59 | kreg_dcdi | but sure is sluggish at times |
| 05:34.12 | DJXenon | wobbler, whats the file name to change the screen resolution? |
| 05:34.29 | DJXenon | xll somthing |
| 05:34.45 | Red_Cloud | DJXenon, you will need to be able to reconfigure the file with gkdebconf. This is a program that helps one using the "dpkg-reconfigure" tool. It is basically a graphical frontend. It makes life easier showing a simple menu of packages which can be reconfigured with Debconf and the Debconf frontends that can be used for the reconfiguration. |
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| 05:35.05 | DJXenon | dude |
| 05:35.09 | DJXenon | i dont really care about that |
| 05:35.13 | DJXenon | just tell me the freakin filename |
| 05:35.16 | Trent | how do i install splash screens? |
| 05:35.55 | DJXenon | omfg... |
| 05:35.56 | Gokee2 | wobbler, I already have that pkg..... I must just not know how to use it.... Does it put the source in /usr/src/linux/? Or somewhere else? |
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| 05:37.22 | Red_Cloud | DJXenon, sorry that I interupted your quest. |
| 05:37.36 | DJXenon | i just want to know the file name!!! |
| 05:37.38 | DJXenon | i know |
| 05:37.42 | DJXenon | but i just ask for somthing small |
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| 05:37.49 | DJXenon | and noone will give me a straight awnser |
| 05:37.57 | houn | Hello, #debian |
| 05:38.22 | houn | I have a resierfs partition I use for storage, but there are several files and dirs that cannot have any operations run on them (cp, mv, rm, ls), stating Permission Denied. Even as root. Any ideas? |
| 05:38.30 | WasF | Hello #debian |
| 05:38.30 | dondelelcaro | DJXenon: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:38.50 | DJXenon | omg |
| 05:38.51 | DJXenon | thank you |
| 05:38.56 | Trent | where do i extract splashscreens to? |
| 05:39.17 | myboxen | houn: which files and directories? |
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| 05:40.19 | houn | myboxen: Um, dirs with photos and stuff. The partition is only for storage, nothing else on it. |
| 05:40.31 | piecesandbits | Hi, is there a python channel? |
| 05:40.37 | dondelelcaro | piecesandbits: #python |
| 05:41.43 | myboxen | are they ro? |
| 05:41.47 | myboxen | read only |
| 05:41.57 | piecesandbits | hmm, must be doing something wrong |
| 05:42.03 | DJXenon | dondelelcaro, how do i change from gnome to kde? |
| 05:42.06 | houn | myboxen: Can't tell. ls -l gives me permission denied, too. :P |
| 05:42.15 | myboxen | are you root |
| 05:42.24 | houn | myboxen: Yup. |
| 05:42.28 | DJXenon | do you see a # their? |
| 05:42.30 | myboxen | the directory has to be executable to be ls |
| 05:42.50 | DJXenon | Do you see a ~ or # next to root? |
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| 05:43.16 | houn | DJXenon: #. I'm sure I'm root. ;D |
| 05:43.31 | myboxen | houn: go up 1 directory |
| 05:43.33 | myboxen | then ls |
| 05:43.37 | myboxen | can you do it there? |
| 05:43.42 | DJXenon | or ls -ax |
| 05:43.49 | DJXenon | try ls -ax |
| 05:44.18 | houn | myboxen: can ls one up, yes. Dir in question is drwxr-xr-x |
| 05:44.29 | DJXenon | chmod |
| 05:44.30 | myboxen | hrmm |
| 05:44.36 | DJXenon | type |
| 05:44.40 | DJXenon | chmod -x <dir> |
| 05:44.42 | DJXenon | i think |
| 05:44.46 | houn | DJXenon: ls -ax will show me the files, yeah |
| 05:44.54 | DJXenon | what are you doing thne? |
| 05:44.55 | DJXenon | then*? |
| 05:45.12 | houn | DJXenon: Well, ls -l doesn't work. |
| 05:45.20 | DJXenon | what are you trying to do? |
| 05:45.22 | houn | Ultimately I'm trying to rm -rf it |
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| 05:45.44 | houn | Since it was all copied off to CD awhile back. |
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| 05:45.50 | DJXenon | Hummmm |
| 05:45.58 | DJXenon | and you keep gettin permission denied? |
| 05:46.26 | houn | DJXenon: Yeah. |
| 05:46.39 | DJXenon | useing kde? |
| 05:46.48 | DJXenon | or gnome |
| 05:46.55 | WasF | Hi. I'm trying to install Debian, but my usb keyboad freezes at "choose lang." screen. Any clues ? |
| 05:46.56 | houn | DJXenon: bash... |
| 05:47.01 | Trent | houn: are you getting permission denighed when trying to startx? |
| 05:47.16 | DJXenon | Yea |
| 05:47.18 | DJXenon | WasF |
| 05:47.24 | houn | Here's a good example: |
| 05:47.26 | dondelelcaro | DJXenon: please read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me... |
| 05:47.29 | wobbler | Gokee2, sorry i was out of the room it puts it in /usr/src |
| 05:47.33 | houn | chmod -x drivers_and_such |
| 05:47.35 | WasF | yes |
| 05:47.37 | houn | chmod: cannot access `drivers_and_such': Permission denied |
| 05:47.44 | Trent | houn |
| 05:47.49 | Trent | chmod the drivers to 555 |
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| 05:47.54 | DJXenon | Wasf, At that point it hasnt detected any USB devices, use a standered PS/2 Keyboard |
| 05:48.10 | houn | Trent: Also denied :P |
| 05:48.19 | Trent | hounL 755? |
| 05:48.20 | DJXenon | dondelelcaro, can you help me change from gnome to kde |
| 05:48.24 | WasF | DJXenon : I can't ! I have no PS/2 ports ! |
| 05:48.30 | DJXenon | What are you on then? |
| 05:48.33 | houn | Trent: I can't chmod it, that's part of the problem. |
| 05:48.36 | DJXenon | Use a USB to PS/2 COnverter |
| 05:48.44 | Trent | houn: ahh alright.. |
| 05:48.55 | houn | I can't do anything to it, lol. |
| 05:49.01 | DJXenon | WasF, I had that same problem. |
| 05:49.07 | WasF | ah |
| 05:49.12 | WasF | and .. |
| 05:49.14 | DJXenon | WasF, just get a converter. thats all i can tell you |
| 05:49.28 | DJXenon | or make one yourself |
| 05:49.29 | myboxen | houn have you tried using rmdir |
| 05:49.31 | myboxen | houn: who owns it? |
| 05:49.33 | myboxen | houn: root |
| 05:49.35 | myboxen | houn: do me a favor |
| 05:49.43 | WasF | converter to what ? I do not have PS/2 ports ! |
| 05:49.50 | myboxen | houn: type 'lsof | grep /path/to/dir' and see if its being used or locked by something |
| 05:49.51 | houn | myboxen: That got Denied as well. |
| 05:49.55 | myboxen | lsof |
| 05:50.24 | houn | Grr, no lsof, one sec. |
| 05:50.42 | houn | Praise Apt! |
| 05:50.48 | myboxen | hehe |
| 05:51.00 | myboxen | praise debian or debian-based whatever you got |
| 05:51.01 | houn | nothing, no output at all. |
| 05:51.15 | houn | myboxen: It's Debian Stable. |
| 05:51.18 | myboxen | cd into that directory, and do it again |
| 05:51.58 | houn | myboxen: Permission Denied |
| 05:52.46 | houn | Pretty sure it's not in use, though, because I can mount/umount just fine. |
| 05:53.23 | WasF | Actually I'm booting from a USB key ! Keyboard works fine untill I get to the langage choice screen ! |
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| 05:55.25 | WasF | only there usb keeboerd freezes ! |
| 05:55.35 | WasF | keyboard |
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| 05:57.25 | woodland | hi |
| 05:57.30 | Dirkie | morning |
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| 05:57.50 | woodland | is there any good dvd player for debian which will also support dvd menus ? |
| 05:58.08 | unix_infidel | gmplayer |
| 05:58.11 | Gokee2 | woodland, xine works well |
| 05:58.23 | unix_infidel | totem, xine, kaffeine |
| 05:58.25 | woodland | Gokee2: ok |
| 05:58.30 | Gokee2 | unix_infidel, I though gmplayer did not have menus? |
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| 05:59.35 | unix_infidel | what's a good .ps viewer? |
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| 06:02.04 | ogre | I need to install xserver, do i want x-server-core, or x-server-dbg, I just need the basic because I'll be reinstalling Gnome |
| 06:02.17 | chealer | !tell ogre about install x |
| 06:02.23 | ogre | yay thanks ^_^ |
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| 06:05.40 | tim_flatus | Where have all the menu files moved to on etch? my /usr/lib/menu is virtually empty. |
| 06:05.56 | panthera | tim_flatus: /usr/share/menu |
| 06:06.15 | panthera | after sarge, there was a change.. |
| 06:06.16 | tim_flatus | panthera, thanks. I'll have to re-script. |
| 06:06.34 | woodland | is there any software on debian to convert djview documents into pdf documents ? |
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| 06:13.14 | ecker | How do i remove ssh from boot? |
| 06:13.38 | streuner | woodland: what kind are they? |
| 06:13.45 | marx_dude | ecker: run rcconf |
| 06:13.56 | marx_dude | to disable ssh at start |
| 06:14.22 | streuner | !info cups-pdf |
| 06:14.26 | dpkg | cups-pdf: (PDF printer for CUPS), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 06:15.28 | Dwonis | marx_dude, ecker: run "dpkg-reconfigure ssh" and tell it to not start SSH on boot-up |
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| 06:16.58 | ecker | Dwonis Well thats what i tried first. but it don't seem to do anything |
| 06:18.05 | Dwonis | ecker: what do you mean by "it don't seem to do anything". Did it ask you the question of whether you want to start sshd or not? |
| 06:18.47 | ecker | Dwonis no it didnt ask anything! i hit enter and thats all it did |
| 06:19.19 | Dwonis | ecker: do you have debconf installed? |
| 06:20.00 | ecker | Don't that get installed when you install debian on ur system? |
| 06:20.39 | ecker | well i checked and it is installed |
| 06:20.40 | Dwonis | ecker: you should, unless you installed your system years ago before debconf existed |
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| 06:22.34 | ecker | well im not exactly running debian, but im running kubuntu but I don't think it should matter |
| 06:23.03 | Dwonis | ecker: ah... it probably does |
| 06:23.24 | Dwonis | ecker: you might try #kubuntu |
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| 06:23.39 | Dwonis | ecker: I mean you might have better luck if you ask in #kubuntu |
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| 06:24.22 | thunderchild | gibs denn auch au deutsch |
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| 06:24.32 | streuner | !de |
| 06:24.32 | dpkg | hmm... de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de wahrscheinlich besser auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de probably better on irc.oftc.net |
| 06:24.34 | Jann | actualize the bios of my PC and now does not load the grafico surroundings to me |
| 06:25.00 | streuner | fuck, who the hell edit a factoid in this way... |
| 06:25.13 | thunderchild | ok dancke |
| 06:25.18 | ecker | #kubuntu its really quiet in there i really don't get much help, ill go search the forums |
| 06:25.23 | thunderchild | cu |
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| 06:26.10 | CBTC | just dont mention it |
| 06:26.17 | CBTC | they are almost exactly the same anyways |
| 06:26.30 | ecker | good point |
| 06:26.40 | Jann | actualize the bios of my PC and now does not run the grafico surroundings |
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| 06:26.57 | Dwonis | CBTC: perhaps, but people say that about #debian and Ubuntu, much to our frustration |
| 06:27.29 | CBTC | thats different though |
| 06:27.41 | streuner | dpkg, no de is <reply> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 06:27.41 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 06:27.48 | ecker | brb |
| 06:27.52 | Jann | http://pastebin.com/701290 |
| 06:28.03 | CBTC | ubuntu & kubuntu are exactly the same other than the desktop environment |
| 06:28.05 | DOBRO_E | hi there |
| 06:28.17 | DOBRO_E | is there some from macedonia |
| 06:28.19 | CBTC | whereas debian and ubuntu/kubuntu are not that close together |
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| 06:28.46 | Dwonis | CBTC: perhaps it is. /me wonders if that's how the folks at #ubuntu feel about it |
| 06:28.56 | CBTC | true true |
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| 06:30.02 | Dwonis | wow, it's quiet in here |
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| 06:30.27 | Noboru | I run apt-get install apache2 , it says apache2-mpm-worker will be installed but i dont want it ,any idea ? |
| 06:30.49 | Dwonis | Noboru: apache2 isn't really a package, I don't think |
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| 06:31.38 | Dwonis | Noboru: you need at least one of the -mpm- packages. Personally, I use apache2-mpm-prefork. |
| 06:32.01 | Noboru | I think i just run 'apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 06:32.01 | Noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.11 | Dwonis | Noboru, I think so |
| 06:32.18 | Noboru | cool,thanks |
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| 06:34.27 | inetd | whats a cool shell prompt? (simple) |
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| 06:34.47 | inetd | for tcsh |
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| 06:35.46 | Dwonis | set prompt='k3wl> ' |
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| 06:35.59 | inetd | Dwonis: u r gh3y ;) |
| 06:36.16 | deliana | hi, is it fine to close a bug in BTS without specifying which version closes the bug ? |
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| 06:36.24 | Dwonis | !ur |
| 06:36.25 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 06:36.27 | Dwonis | ;-P |
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| 06:37.20 | chealer | deliana: yes, it's always better then letting it open if it's fixed |
| 06:37.44 | streuner | deliana: are you a DD? |
| 06:38.03 | Dwonis | inetd: what if I am gay? what would be wrong with that? is that a bad thing? hmm? insensitive jerk! ;) |
| 06:38.44 | deliana | but I'm not sure which version of the bug will be closed when the version is not specified ? how the bts know that ? |
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| 06:39.27 | Dwonis | deliana: the correct way to close a bug is to put (closes: #xxxxxxx) in the changelog. The BTS will take care of it automatically |
| 06:39.32 | drGolova | hi all |
| 06:40.02 | streuner | Dwonis: heh |
| 06:40.05 | chealer | Dwonis: that's only in the case that a bug is fixed by an ulterior upload |
| 06:40.15 | trenka | Dwonis: this is only if your upload fixes it |
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| 06:40.36 | Dwonis | right, that's what I meant |
| 06:40.53 | Dwonis | chealer: ulterior? |
| 06:40.57 | inetd | Dwonis: who said anything wrong with that? i just called u gay..you are the one who assumed its wrong not me..idiot |
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| 06:41.11 | Dwonis | heh |
| 06:41.21 | chealer | Dwonis: an upload which happens after the bug was opened |
| 06:41.36 | deliana | what if I'm closing a bug via sending a message to bugnumber-done@bugs.debian.org without specifying the package version where the bug if fixed, how the bts will know which bug should be closed ? |
| 06:42.37 | deliana | oh sorry ? how the bts will know which version of the package fixes the bug ? |
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| 06:44.16 | chealer | deliana: it won't know. it will consider it like an invalid bug, apparently |
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| 06:45.12 | chealer | (I'm rereading Colin Watson's BTS version tracking mail, and it seems that closing without version information is not really good anymore) |
| 06:45.31 | woodland | hi, when i install some package using 'apt-get install' it also installs dependencies, but when i try to remove the same package with 'apt-get --purge remove' it only removes that particular package and not the other things it installed. is there any way i can remove everything that was installed while installing some particular package. |
| 06:45.40 | deliana | where is that Colin's message ? url ? |
| 06:45.45 | deadcat | how do i make aptitude do what debfoster does? sicne debfoster is now deprecated. and i love debfoster. |
| 06:45.54 | chealer | deliana: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00010.html |
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| 06:46.25 | chealer | deliana: I think you should ignore what I told you about closing without version info being better than nothing and get someone else's advice |
| 06:46.31 | deliana | chealer, thanks |
| 06:46.37 | smacnay | what is the last really STABLE kernel in the 2.6.x tree? |
| 06:46.53 | Dwonis | deadcat, woodland: aptitude does that already. Packages can be marked as being manually or automatically selected. If they're automatically selected, but not depended upon, I think they get uninstalled automatically. |
| 06:47.05 | chealer | smacnay: is this a Debian-specific question? |
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| 06:47.15 | fid_ | can someone point me to a walkthrough or explain to me how I can log onto my debian box from my windows box that are connected to the same router |
| 06:47.16 | Dwonis | deadcat, woodland: At least, I think it does. I haven't done any extensive testing to be sure. |
| 06:47.23 | smacnay | chealer: yes. |
| 06:47.24 | woodland | Dwonis: ok |
| 06:47.42 | deadcat | Dwonis: oh. thanks.. just aptitude is too complicated compared to debfoster. (= |
| 06:47.48 | chealer | smacnay: in what way is it specific to Debian? |
| 06:47.49 | smacnay | chealer: which .deb kernel would be the most stable - verses the vanilla kernels. |
| 06:48.08 | chealer | smacnay: which release do you use? |
| 06:48.27 | smacnay | chealer: right now 2.6.16-1-k7 |
| 06:48.41 | chealer | smacnay: I meant your Debian release |
| 06:48.43 | punsad | fid: you mean log on as in with a gui or just a shell? |
| 06:48.45 | callee | can lftp resume a download if it was disconnected? |
| 06:48.45 | Dwonis | deadcat: pfft. Since when is the Debian package management system complicated? |
| 06:48.51 | smacnay | chealer: updated "testing" |
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| 06:49.05 | streuner | fid: connect them via cable first, best via hub or switch, install sshd on your debian-box and download putty in windows |
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| 06:49.42 | deadcat | Dwonis: debfoster goes through all the packages and allows me to remove/purge the depended packages.. i guess i want aptitude to go through it for me |
| 06:50.17 | chealer | smacnay: if you use testing, you should consider testing's version (currently 2.6.15) the most stable for your system, unless you have a reason to believe it wouldn't be |
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| 06:51.28 | smacnay | chealer: I am having strange problems with mplayer where the system locks up entirely. I want to eliminate the kernel as a possible source of the trouble. |
| 06:51.48 | Dwonis | deadcat: I didn't even know debfoster was deprecated until you mentioned it. I used it (debfoster) at one point, but I got tired to the tedium of it. |
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| 06:52.03 | Dwonis | deadcat: s/tired to/tired of/ |
| 06:52.09 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:52.20 | deadcat | Dwonis: i just noticed today when i dist-upgrade |
| 06:53.15 | chealer | smacnay: nothing keeps you from trying several Linux versions. the most stable version won't be perfectly stable anyway. if you use 2.6, trying 2.4 should be a reliable way to determine whether Linux is involved. |
| 06:53.44 | smacnay | chealer: I might just put on a 2.4 kernel and see. |
| 06:53.49 | chealer | s/a reliable way/the most reliable way |
| 06:54.08 | smacnay | chealer: thanks |
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| 06:57.59 | callee | is it possible to burn clonecd images on linux? |
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| 07:00.15 | mhall | callee: alright i'll let you in on a secret |
| 07:00.41 | mhall | callee: the traditional linux name for cd image converters is as follows: (filename extension)2iso |
| 07:00.44 | deadcat | mhall: just signed up for linuxworldexpo on wed. |
| 07:00.56 | mhall | callee: example. alcohol 120%. mdf files. mdf2iso |
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| 07:01.07 | iturk | hi there :: if i change my classpath in .bashrc did the effects are visible if i open another console after it ?? |
| 07:01.08 | mhall | callee: so i suggest you google that |
| 07:01.14 | callee | mhall: i know but i already screwed an image that was in nero format this way... |
| 07:01.20 | mhall | deadcat: ya where do you live again? |
| 07:01.27 | mhall | callee: make backups. |
| 07:01.30 | deadcat | mhall: eastbay. |
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| 07:01.38 | mhall | callee: mount it with loopback mount and check the contents |
| 07:01.43 | mhall | !tell callee about loop |
| 07:01.55 | deadcat | mhall: but i will be at sacramento after that though. |
| 07:01.56 | WeirdAl | Anyone know why there's no SeaMonkey 1.0.x package for debian unstable? I'm willing to provide one if needed. |
| 07:01.58 | mhall | !tell callee about loopback |
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| 07:02.15 | mhall | callee: nevermind those bot facts suck ass |
| 07:02.24 | deliana | hm, I'm wondering is it fine or possible to use custom tags for bugs which are different from the predefined tags? |
| 07:02.24 | mhall | callee: mount -o loop file.iso /mnt is what you want |
| 07:02.50 | mhall | deadcat: ya i'm headed to work in roseville in just over a month. hard to even believe. it got here before i knew it. |
| 07:03.02 | mhall | deadcat: you mean in reportbug? |
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| 07:03.51 | deadcat | mhall: my jobtitle for the card is "assistant to the regional manager" (= |
| 07:03.53 | apenguin | hay where i can get Debian tshirt |
| 07:04.04 | deadcat | apenguin: linuxworldexpo |
| 07:04.37 | chealer | deliana: yes, it's possible. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00002.html |
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| 07:05.29 | deliana | chealer, how do you manage to find these url's so quickly ? ;-) 10x |
| 07:05.33 | Dwonis | deadcat: of what? #debian? |
| 07:06.04 | deadcat | Dwonis: oh.. pawtucket brewery |
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| 07:06.35 | deadcat | i was gonna put dunder mifflin but i forgot so i went with pawtucket |
| 07:06.45 | chealer | deliana: I just remember the month during which they were posted |
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| 07:08.27 | deliana | chealer, why is this not documented at bugs.debian.org, but at wiki.d... ? strange |
| 07:08.36 | chealer | WeirdAl: because nobody offered to package it before 2 days ago. see #350740 |
| 07:08.57 | WeirdAl | um, I'm new here, and I don't know where your bugzilla is. |
| 07:09.18 | WeirdAl | -- but I seem to be consistently behind the curve this week :) |
| 07:09.30 | streuner | !bts |
| 07:09.30 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 07:09.34 | chealer | deliana: because people who implemented it judged it was better to implement them without documentation than waiting for properdocumentation |
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| 07:10.57 | deliana | I'll file a bug against bugs.debian.org pseudopackage then to include that usefull documentation ;-) |
| 07:11.03 | WeirdAl | so who's it assigned to? |
| 07:11.04 | Dwonis | !bugzilla |
| 07:11.05 | dpkg | ESCO IS MY GOD dwonis |
| 07:11.07 | Dwonis | wtf? |
| 07:11.20 | WeirdAl | that is, who's working on it? |
| 07:11.30 | Dwonis | !factinfo bugzilla |
| 07:11.30 | dpkg | bugzilla -- created by esko <adrenaline@24.12.12.72> at Wed Sep 12 22:08:20 2001 (1696 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by omry_at_work at Wed Aug 10 05:57:59 2005. |
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| 07:12.04 | omry | ah, what? |
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| 07:12.44 | Dwonis | !forget bugzilla |
| 07:12.44 | dpkg | i forgot bugzilla, Dwonis |
| 07:12.55 | chealer | WeirdAl: see the bug report |
| 07:12.55 | omry | !factinfo bugzilla |
| 07:12.55 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as bugzilla, omry |
| 07:13.03 | omry | woa |
| 07:13.07 | omry | you killed bugzilla. |
| 07:13.08 | WeirdAl | I'm reading the bug report: all I see is a request, no one acting on it. |
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| 07:14.00 | chealer | WeirdAl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=360671 (sorry, 3 days ago) |
| 07:14.03 | RedBlades | Hello everyone, I have some good news! |
| 07:14.25 | RedBlades | I'm getting rid of Windows again! And Mandriva! |
| 07:14.26 | WeirdAl | meh, that's the merged bug |
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| 07:14.43 | RedBlades | Debian is making a comeback (on my computer) |
| 07:14.46 | kreg_dcdi | anyone know what i need installed to browse local windows file servers? |
| 07:14.49 | kreg_dcdi | for gnome |
| 07:15.04 | kreg_dcdi | smbclient -L <server> lists the windows file server just fine |
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| 07:15.16 | kreg_dcdi | i'd like to browse that in gnome and make my own mount points |
| 07:15.21 | RedBlades | I have a few issues though, my first concerning USB sticks |
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| 07:15.52 | RedBlades | I am unsure how to configure Debian to "plug and Play" |
| 07:16.18 | chealer | WeirdAl: checking the bit, I'm not sure how serious the volunteering maintainer is serious. perhaps you could help |
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| 07:16.28 | WeirdAl | I am personally very serious, but inexperienced. |
| 07:16.28 | chealer | s/bit/bug a bit |
| 07:16.47 | chealer | uh, sorry, I'm writing with distraction |
| 07:16.50 | WeirdAl | I build SeaMonkey trunk all the time :) |
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| 07:17.24 | RedBlades | I'm planning to have Debian running soon, but I forst have some questions reagrding installation. |
| 07:17.39 | valdyn | !tell RedBlades -about ask |
| 07:17.45 | RedBlades | Firsty, I wish to use only gnome, not Debian |
| 07:17.47 | Dwonis | valdyn: you beat me to it |
| 07:18.00 | RedBlades | I know, I know, "Don't ask to ask, just ask" |
| 07:18.34 | RedBlades | I mean, Gnome not KDE |
| 07:19.12 | RedBlades | I was planning to start off with a plain installation. just a CL |
| 07:19.30 | RedBlades | but then I want to install Gnome, then work from there |
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| 07:19.44 | RedBlades | how do I install Gnome from a Terminal? |
| 07:19.56 | valdyn | RedBlades: apt-get install gnome |
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| 07:20.17 | Dwonis | !tell RedBlades about install gnome |
| 07:20.26 | valdyn | !install gnome |
| 07:20.27 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 07:21.00 | WeirdAl | I suppose I need an account on bugs.debian before it'll accept my comment :) |
| 07:21.03 | RedBlades | okay, how do I set up x+ |
| 07:21.04 | RedBlades | ? |
| 07:21.15 | Dwonis | WeirdAl: nope, you use email |
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| 07:23.15 | Dwonis | RedBlades, type: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:24.13 | WeirdAl | Dwonis: any idea how long it takes for the comment to show up on the bug? |
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| 07:24.27 | Dwonis | WeirdAl: I dunno. It varies. |
| 07:24.37 | RedBlades | apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 ??? |
| 07:24.41 | RedBlades | Is that right? |
| 07:24.44 | WeirdAl | five mins, ten, thirty? (I'm used to zero-time) |
| 07:25.12 | RedBlades | I want to double check evry thing because if I screw this up... well, it will make life difficult. |
| 07:25.16 | Dwonis | WeirdAl: I have no idea. |
| 07:25.22 | WeirdAl | ok ok |
| 07:25.28 | valdyn | WeirdAl: you will get a confirmation email |
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| 07:25.32 | signature16 | what does: virtual_mailbox_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/maps.txt mean? i dont understand the hash part. |
| 07:25.40 | WeirdAl | valdyn: thanks, good to know |
| 07:25.42 | Noboru | Hi guys, there is a php5 and a libapache2-mod-php5,which one i should select to install it as a module of apache2 or both ? |
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| 07:26.03 | valdyn | Noboru: the 2nd |
| 07:26.10 | Noboru | roger :) |
| 07:26.13 | aidan | signature16: a hash means it looks for the compiled version of that text file, making lookups faster |
| 07:26.15 | marcel__ | openoffice doesnt start anymore |
| 07:26.21 | marcel__ | anyone experience the same problem? |
| 07:26.31 | aidan | signature16: it will look for maps.txt.db |
| 07:26.40 | signature16 | aidan: so putting /etc/postfix/maps.txt would be basically the same thing? |
| 07:27.01 | RedBlades | So is that right? the last message i wrote, will that install X? |
| 07:27.01 | Dwonis | signature16: see http://www.postfix.org/postmap.1.html |
| 07:27.12 | signature16 | aidan: and how would it be possible to complie a text file |
| 07:27.15 | signature16 | aidan: ok thanks |
| 07:27.28 | aidan | signature16: no, it wouldn't, because that parameter expects a hash |
| 07:27.42 | aidan | signature16: compiled is a poor choice of wording, the file is "hashed" |
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| 07:28.05 | Dwonis | signature16: this is probably a better place to look: http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html |
| 07:28.08 | RedBlades | Anyone? |
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| 07:28.44 | g6 | moin |
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| 07:29.06 | Dwonis | RedBlades: In general, nobody is going to tell you whether some specific command is definitely safe for your system. |
| 07:30.10 | Dwonis | RedBlades: personally, I'd just run "apt-get install gnome", which should depend on X anyway |
| 07:30.19 | RedBlades | Oh. I was just wondering if it would install X |
| 07:30.36 | trenka | Dwonis: it should depend xlibs only |
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| 07:31.07 | Dwonis | trenka, RedBlades: ok, make that "apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome"... or something like that |
| 07:31.49 | RedBlades | But won't "apt-get install gnome" just install gnome? which requires X? |
| 07:31.59 | RedBlades | so Gnome won't work without X? |
| 07:32.22 | Noboru | On debian, which command to check which MPM apache2 uses ? httpd -l doesn't work |
| 07:32.55 | Dwonis | Noboru: dpkg -l apache2-mpm-\* | grep '^.i' |
| 07:33.20 | Noboru | Thanks |
| 07:33.27 | RedBlades | I'm doing this to be sure I know what to do in the event that something goes wrong |
| 07:33.28 | Dwonis | Noboru: or, the command you want it probably "apache2 -l" |
| 07:33.36 | Noboru | okay i will try |
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| 07:34.10 | Dwonis | Noboru: In general, Debian renames any "httpd" as "apache2" (or "apache" or whatever the webserver actually is) |
| 07:34.33 | Noboru | I see. |
| 07:34.59 | Dwonis | Is ntp still broken? |
| 07:35.10 | chealer | that seamonkey ITP is a little older than 3 days after all |
| 07:35.28 | iturk | hi there :: my /etc/inid.d its a directory not a normal file, and its full of files if i want to place there a little line of code to be executed during boot time which file should i choose for it ?? |
| 07:36.15 | Dwonis | iturk: you could stick an executable file in /etc/rc.boot/ |
| 07:37.04 | punsad | is it advisable to include some startup scripts to run hdparm to tweak my hard drive each time I reboot (which isn't that often) |
| 07:37.14 | iturk | Dwonis: i have lots of rc.files like rc0.d rc1.d |
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| 07:37.43 | iturk | Dwonis: actually they are directories |
| 07:37.55 | Dwonis | iturk: yes, so? |
| 07:38.00 | cahoot | Dwonis: you hav an rc.boot? |
| 07:38.08 | Dwonis | cahoot: yeah, vmware created it. |
| 07:38.23 | Dwonis | cahoot: I checked, and rc will run-parts it if it exists |
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| 07:38.57 | iturk | Dwonis: so i just create a file in rc0.d or rc1.d |
| 07:39.01 | Dwonis | punsad: you could edit /etc/default/hdparm |
| 07:39.03 | iturk | and thats it |
| 07:39.49 | Dwonis | iturk: no. there should only ever by symlinks in /etc/rc?.d. What you probably want to do is create the /etc/rc.boot/ directory, and stick a shell script in there |
| 07:39.56 | punsad | Dwonis: thanks.. I'll check it out |
| 07:40.16 | Dwonis | punsad: there is also /etc/hdparm.conf |
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| 07:40.56 | Dwonis | argh! |
| 07:41.08 | Dwonis | how do I actually use debmirror --include ? |
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| 07:41.28 | Dwonis | It keeps wanting to delete the doc/ directory, even though I gave it --include='doc/.*' |
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| 07:44.25 | iturk | Dwonis: why do i have so many rcx.d directories ?? :: if i want to delete a service entry i have to delete the same file in all directories !! |
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| 07:44.45 | valdyn | iturk: nope |
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| 07:45.05 | valdyn | iturk: you are not supposed to touch existing files in those directories |
| 07:45.07 | streuner | iturk: update-rc.d -f remove <service> |
| 07:45.17 | streuner | iturk: man update-rc.d |
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| 07:45.35 | Dwonis | iturk: apparently you can also install sysv-rc-conf |
| 07:46.16 | iturk | streuner: i have a little file.sh should also use update-rc.d to install the file there instead of editing it by hand ?? |
| 07:46.33 | Azar | nice article about Secure Operating Systems: http://www.computer.org/portal/site/computer/menuitem.5d61c1d591162e4b0ef1bd108bcd45f3/index.jsp?&pName=computer_level1_article&TheCat=1005&path=computer/homepage/0506&file=cover1.xml&xsl=article.xsl& |
| 07:47.00 | saber_ | that sounds like a cool article |
| 07:47.02 | streuner | iturk: yrs |
| 07:47.09 | streuner | iturk: yes |
| 07:47.16 | saber_ | damn its andrew tanenbaum |
| 07:47.27 | iturk | streuner: thanks |
| 07:47.28 | saber_ | one of the authors of that article wrote my operating systems books from school |
| 07:47.35 | iturk | Dwonis: thanks |
| 07:47.35 | valdyn | Azar: his assumptions start flawed, even cars 'crash' |
| 07:47.52 | iturk | valdyn: thanks |
| 07:47.53 | valdyn | Azar: their computers do |
| 07:47.56 | streuner | iturk: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 07:48.18 | Azar | valdyn: well I found interesting down the article about virtual systems, and so forth.. |
| 07:48.47 | Azar | valdyn: as we speak one of my boxes is dying but I guess is hardware issue :) |
| 07:49.12 | Azar | either the cpufan went bad or the HD |
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| 07:51.07 | Azar | but I agree on what the guy say about drivers: very badly written |
| 07:51.29 | WeirdAl | Does someone want to merge bug 351430 with bug 350740? |
| 07:51.38 | buu | Does anyone have any idea if I could resize bits of an already created raid? |
| 07:52.26 | valdyn | buu: if its not filled just recreate it at the size of your choice |
| 07:52.45 | valdyn | buu: s/not filled/not filled till the end/ |
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| 07:54.17 | valdyn | linux really is a hybrid between micro and macrokernel anyway |
| 07:54.41 | valdyn | drivers _can_ crash without crashing the system |
| 07:54.46 | buu | valdyn: It is filled =[ |
| 07:54.47 | iturk | Dwonis: sysv-rc-conf :: nice program the numbers in columns its like priority ?? |
| 07:54.53 | buu | Or at least it has data on it |
| 07:55.02 | valdyn | buu: then you have to resize or remove the partition(s) at the end first |
| 07:55.14 | chealer | WeirdAl: unlikely, otherwise it would already be done |
| 07:55.15 | valdyn | buu: and before that the filesystem(s) on those partitions each |
| 07:55.17 | Dwonis | iturk: no, those are the runlevels |
| 07:55.18 | buu | valdyn: Would you mind elaborating? |
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| 07:55.34 | WeirdAl | chealer: I don't see why the two are different. |
| 07:55.53 | valdyn | buu: filesystems are on partitions are on a raid device, shrink in order i wrote those 3 down |
| 07:55.57 | chealer | WeirdAl: well, if they aren't, merge them |
| 07:56.05 | Dwonis | iturk: by default on Debian, the runlevel S runs, then runlevel 2 runs. 0 is for "shutdown", and 6 is for "reboot" |
| 07:56.10 | WeirdAl | chealer: that's just it, I am so new here, I'm wearing diapers |
| 07:56.18 | buu | valdyn: Hrm. How do I shrink the partitions? |
| 07:56.43 | valdyn | buu: by recreating it starting at same place, ending earlier |
| 07:56.46 | Dwonis | iturk: another package, rcconf, might be more appropriate |
| 07:57.08 | buu | valdyn: Er, Wouldn't that fuck the data on there/ |
| 07:57.20 | peyman | hellooo |
| 07:57.21 | saber_ | the pictures suck |
| 07:57.21 | valdyn | buu: that is why i told you to shrink the filesystem first |
| 07:57.25 | saber_ | i wish the pictures were bigger |
| 07:57.30 | iturk | Dwonis: so a service can have a scripth for shutdown to be displayed when i reboot the system |
| 07:57.30 | saber_ | but other than that it is a neat article |
| 07:57.38 | buu | valdyn: Er, you said I should shrink it by recreating the file system..? |
| 07:57.43 | saber_ | (so far... keeps reading) |
| 07:57.44 | Azar | valdyn: you say that driver crash will not lead to a kernel panic? |
| 07:57.46 | peyman | my first time in irc, anybody wants to help? |
| 07:57.57 | valdyn | Azar: can, not will |
| 07:57.59 | chealer | WeirdAl: it's easy to get rid of diapers. just read the documentation |
| 07:58.01 | Dwonis | iturk: huh? |
| 07:58.03 | WeirdAl | hehe |
| 07:58.10 | WeirdAl | I'm reading, I'm reading |
| 07:58.20 | valdyn | Azar: and ( after what i read ) its not any different on a microkernel due to PC hardware limitations |
| 07:58.41 | buu | valdyn: You will make me eternally happy if you could explain this. I have a spare drive that is the same size as the devices in the raid.. |
| 07:58.53 | buu | valdyn: Can I copy the data off one drive, resize it, and copy it back without fucking the raid? |
| 07:59.29 | valdyn | buu: you can copy the data off the last partition, delete the last partititon, shrink raid |
| 07:59.30 | iturk | Dwonis: the files in runlevel 6 will be executed during shutdown of the computer is that right ?? |
| 07:59.34 | valdyn | buu: in that order |
| 07:59.47 | Azar | valdyn: my feeling since long is that drivers are buggy and this does influences badly any Operating System in a way or another, from simple limitations to system crash |
| 08:00.07 | buu | Er, wait, if I shrink the raid.. wouldn't bad things happen? Can I just remove a drive without losing data? |
| 08:00.15 | WeirdAl | ok, I think I got it |
| 08:00.15 | valdyn | Azar: sure, drivers are the most code too |
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| 08:01.24 | Dwonis | iturk: more or less, but it's slightly more complicated than that |
| 08:02.16 | buu | valdyn: I thought dropping a drive the raid had data on would corrupt the raid |
| 08:02.22 | Azar | one thing I learn to avoid and I am happy I do not have to use that in linux is the CDs that hardware vendors supply with the device (printer, scanner, webcam, DVD driver). I had my hard learned lessons with those.. |
| 08:02.40 | valdyn | buu: please tell me where i told you anything about "drive" im not talking about drives here |
| 08:03.39 | buu | valdyn: Well, I only have one partition per drive at the moment, so I'm afraid I was using the term interchangeably. |
| 08:04.18 | valdyn | buu: you're confused, i dont care about what you have per drive, since you have a "RAID" it only matters what is on your RAID |
| 08:04.48 | buu | valdyn: Yes, the RAID is made up of partitions, as you prefer |
| 08:05.06 | buu | I thought if I removed a partition it would lose data |
| 08:05.09 | valdyn | buu: now maybe you really want to remove one disk from that RAID, you cant do that |
| 08:05.21 | buu | No, actually I want to add a disk |
| 08:05.27 | buu | But apparently my new disk is like 5 megs smaller |
| 08:05.31 | valdyn | buu: you cant do that either |
| 08:05.46 | buu | valdyn: mdadm disagrees with you |
| 08:05.46 | aidan | I want to check if a program is accessing the internet when it's run, a strace -e type=network displayed nothing, could it have spawned a helper which accesses the net instead? |
| 08:05.53 | splattnik | is there a way to hashcheck a torrent without starting downloading it? |
| 08:06.01 | valdyn | buu: nope |
| 08:06.05 | buu | valdyn: yup |
| 08:06.14 | valdyn | buu: you can add a hot spare, that is all |
| 08:06.36 | buu | Er. |
| 08:06.40 | iturk | Dwonis: well in the man of update-rc.d it says that i only have to add the service to /etc/init.d and then update-rc.d with start and stop parameter will do the rest |
| 08:06.40 | buu | That is what I was talking about. |
| 08:07.18 | valdyn | buu: now backup your last partition, delete it, shrink the raid |
| 08:07.22 | valdyn | buu: its easy |
| 08:07.24 | buu | Ok.. |
| 08:07.35 | valdyn | buu: but you should have a backup of everything anyway |
| 08:07.38 | buu | I wish |
| 08:07.38 | iturk | Dwonis: maybe i dont need to know how it works so much in /etc/rcx.d in order to put a service running |
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| 08:07.49 | buu | I don't have the money to back up my entire raid |
| 08:07.51 | buu | It's very sad. |
| 08:08.07 | valdyn | buu: you will loose it then anyway |
| 08:08.14 | TTT | ok, on sid, I do apt-get install apache2 php5, should PHP be working out of the box after this, or do I need to screw around with configs a bit? |
| 08:08.28 | valdyn | buu: Murphy's law |
| 08:08.31 | TTT | it doesnt seem to be working out of the box |
| 08:08.32 | buu | valdyn: Loose it upon who? |
| 08:08.41 | buu | (whom maybe) |
| 08:08.59 | chealer | TTT: you at least need the PHP 5 module for Apache 2 |
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| 08:09.54 | Noboru | I should manually install Zend in debian ? |
| 08:10.08 | Noboru | apt-cache search zend ,not found |
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| 08:10.29 | TTT | chealer: already installed, but PHP scripts get downloaded and not executed |
| 08:10.31 | Azar | aidan: you can open up the program, then do a netstat -na ( or -pant) and look to see any ESTABLISHED connection. Also check the ports and what applications are LISTENING. |
| 08:10.50 | Azar | Noboru: what in earth is Zend? |
| 08:11.12 | Noboru | Azar, a typical and famous PHP env. accelerator |
| 08:11.25 | aidan | Azar: ah excellent |
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| 08:11.39 | aidan | Noboru: Zend is the company that wrote the zend engine |
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| 08:11.45 | buu | valdyn: Erm. One thing, I thought you couldn't remove a drive from the array |
| 08:11.49 | Noboru | Azar, well,i was just asking that Zeond Optimizer,one of the producets from them,you should check if you run php |
| 08:11.49 | aidan | Noboru: Zend Accelerator is a PHP accelerator |
| 08:12.04 | Azar | Noboru: you can look to see if it can be found in Debian repositories or at least an alias for it (google for Zend for Debian) |
| 08:12.40 | Noboru | Azar, i googled, they say use tarball to install zend in debian 3.1 |
| 08:12.56 | Noboru | aidan, , yeah |
| 08:12.59 | aidan | zend hates debian, that wouldn't suprise me |
| 08:13.31 | Noboru | Since the ZO is free one,why would't it be included in debian apt |
| 08:13.40 | Noboru | wouldn't* |
| 08:14.11 | Azar | Noboru: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 08:14.11 | Noboru | Hey good news NEW Zend Optimizer 3 with full support for PHP 5.1 |
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| 08:14.44 | chealer | TTT: so you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed, and the scripts are executed even if you refresh the page? |
| 08:14.47 | trent82 | hey |
| 08:14.51 | Azar | Noboru: it might be but in the unstable , and you do not want to run unstable |
| 08:15.01 | Noboru | Azar, none found with keyword zend i just tried hehe |
| 08:15.16 | TTT | chealer: scripts are NOT executed, i have restarted apache (/etc/init.d/apache2 reload), reloaded the pages, no luck so far |
| 08:15.17 | Noboru | Azar, i see,so im gonna install the tarball of it |
| 08:15.20 | Firefishe | in a nutshell, how does one upgrade from r1 to r2? |
| 08:15.33 | dli | is it possible to make apt do gpg keys auto? |
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| 08:15.54 | chealer | Firefishe: # apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:16.28 | Firefishe | ah....thanks chealer...perfect nutshell :) |
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| 08:17.02 | Firefishe | what's fast on the repository list these days? |
| 08:17.02 | CAiRO | "gdm_config_parse: Chooser not found or it can\'t be executed by the GDM user" <-- what does that mean? how to fix it? execpt for this message, actually everything is working |
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| 08:18.47 | TTT | grr, .php3 get executed, .php don't |
| 08:19.19 | Azar | Noboru: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=php4-dev&version=stable&arch=powerpc < use google and here you find |
| 08:19.49 | Azar | php4-dev |
| 08:20.24 | TTT | ah, it's all ok |
| 08:20.25 | Noboru | Azar, yeah, i have noticed that but i use php5 |
| 08:20.30 | TTT | browser cache is screwed up |
| 08:20.43 | Noboru | Azar, no problem,i ve downloaded zend3.0 ,im going to install it now |
| 08:20.54 | buu | valdyn: So basically I copy the device to the spare, resize the original and copy it back, then recreate the array from the drives? |
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| 08:21.05 | Azar | Noboru: good luck at fixind dependencies |
| 08:21.14 | Noboru | hmm |
| 08:21.15 | Azar | If it fails you can reinstall Debian |
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| 08:21.28 | Noboru | wow |
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| 08:21.42 | Azar | look at what someone tells you here: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131 |
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| 08:21.49 | Noboru | Azar, ok,checking |
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| 08:22.30 | feltz | Hi, is the fact that fsck rechecks the partition after every 30 mounts at boot a Debian-specific thing? Because I can't boot now because of it... |
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| 08:23.03 | nm | re * |
| 08:23.07 | renewbie | hi, is there a package that contain .el/.elc files for syntax highlighting? |
| 08:23.16 | feltz | I let it check until 100%, then after that the boot process hung at starting "syslogd" I believe, so I hit Ctrl+Alt+Del... but now GRUB give me error 24 and won't boot |
| 08:23.17 | ranpha | is there a deb package for the new version of hal?? i can't find anythng on backports and i nee the 0.5.x to support my chipset |
| 08:23.33 | Azar | Noboru: you could try using backports for a package that is not offered with your Stable version (backport from etch or sid) and this will prevent dependencies. |
| 08:23.52 | renewbie | hi, is there a package that contain .el/.elc files for syntax highlighting in emacs for debian? |
| 08:24.16 | renewbie | or do I have to install it manually? |
| 08:24.35 | feltz | I'm mostly worried about the data on my partition, as a reinstallation of the OS wouldn't be *that* inconvenient (although I'd rather fix GRUB than reinstall) |
| 08:24.54 | Azar | renewbie: if the package is not listed in Debian repositories, and you install by hand, you risk to have dependencies broken and Debian will make ugly faces at you. |
| 08:25.00 | nm | my debian treat hardware clock as UTC time, how do i resolve it to ITC time ? |
| 08:25.10 | nm | s/ITC/ICT |
| 08:25.31 | Azar | I don't use grub, I have no idea how it works |
| 08:26.05 | buu | But hrm, why would I need to shrink the raid? |
| 08:26.23 | Noboru | Azar, I see |
| 08:26.33 | feltz | Damn... any suggestions otherwise? I have a 7GB sda1 where Debian is installed and a 450GB sda5 where my data is... |
| 08:26.43 | renewbie | Azar: I have all packages that are listed for emacs.. but it isn't working.. |
| 08:27.04 | Azar | Noboru: a bit of research on the net, won't hurt you can wait a day or two until you figure out a safe way to get your package, rather than mess the entire system |
| 08:27.07 | bartlebee | I've asked this on the amd64 channel however no one replied -- could someone please tell me if security updates for amd64 flow through the same channel for apt as i386 security updates? |
| 08:27.17 | Azar | renewbie: sorry never used emacs, only vi |
| 08:27.35 | feltz | I guess I'm mostly worried about my larger ext3 sda5 partition being corrupted because of fsck... is this a possiblity? |
| 08:27.37 | Noboru | Azar, Thanks for reminding me ,in case i will leave zeond alone,im tesing debian with it working as a server stuff like that,i think maybe in the next release of debian after sarge by then zend 3.0 will be officially included in apt tree |
| 08:27.53 | Noboru | zend* |
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| 08:28.10 | Azar | Noboru: ask in private dpkg about backports |
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| 08:28.27 | TonyStark | good morning to everyone |
| 08:28.38 | ft | renewbie: i'm a vi user myself, but AFAIK you need to enable syntax highlighting in .emacs |
| 08:28.39 | Noboru | Azar, i agree |
| 08:28.43 | Azar | damn is morning already, I have to go to work |
| 08:28.57 | buu | valdyn: That makes no sense. |
| 08:29.37 | TonyStark | I'm having trouble with a ppp connection, it is a gprs connection with a pcmcia card (option glonbetrotter gsm/gprs). I have done sucesfully a GSM ppp coneection, but i cannot do a GPRS ppp connection because it hangs up, and I don't know why... anybody can help me? |
| 08:31.00 | ft | renewbie: (global-font-lock-mode 1) i guess |
| 08:31.21 | dli | TonyStark, can you try wvdial ? |
| 08:31.35 | iturk | how can i know which services are using the port 8080 ?? |
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| 08:32.01 | TonyStark | dli, i have done and it did not work for gsm neither :(.. I'm using pon and poff, and can paste the log in pastebin, would you like it? |
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| 08:32.05 | xored | which is the best way to log IPTABLES logs with syslog-ng into a specific file ? |
| 08:32.06 | berkes | oi! |
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| 08:32.30 | berkes | does anyone know where debian / apache writes its lockfiles, by default? |
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| 08:32.51 | dli | TonyStark, since I know wvdial better, can you pastebin wvdial output? |
| 08:33.12 | TonyStark | dli, ok, wait one minute, and i configure wvdial for gprs |
| 08:34.46 | ranpha | is there a deb package for the new version of hal?? i can't find anythng on backports and i nee the 0.5.x to support my chipset |
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| 08:37.03 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 08:37.30 | TonyStark | dli, http://pastebin.com/701479 |
| 08:38.00 | dli | !ops |
| 08:38.00 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 08:38.25 | dli | someone ban Tyra? |
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| 08:39.10 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 08:39.51 | buu | !ops ban tyra? |
| 08:39.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban tyra |
| 08:39.52 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:39.54 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.02 | buu | heh |
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| 08:40.08 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.12 | buu | sigh |
| 08:40.13 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.17 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.17 | TTT | grr |
| 08:40.19 | buu | !ops LIVE |
| 08:40.19 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: LIVE |
| 08:40.21 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.21 | Lamperi | >_> |
| 08:40.23 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.34 | ft | thank god there's /ignore when the ops aren't around. |
| 08:40.35 | Firefishe | ah, the joy of /ignore |
| 08:40.35 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.45 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 08:40.51 | Tyra | www.nextpicturez.com |
| 08:40.53 | Lamperi | Firefishe: thx, i forgot that |
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| 08:41.02 | WeirdAl | buh bye |
| 08:41.07 | tremor | thank you |
| 08:41.07 | Firefishe | azeem: *bow* thank you |
| 08:41.09 | dli | azeem, what took you so long :( |
| 08:41.17 | ft | !beer azeem |
| 08:41.18 | chealer | WeirdAl: nice merge! :-P |
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| 08:41.35 | dli | azeem, can you set auto ban after 3 kicks? |
| 08:41.36 | WeirdAl | chealer: as you said, I had to read the docs. I'm used to dealing with Bugzilla. :) |
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| 08:41.47 | azeem | dli: I didn't watch this chan for > 18 hours until 10 seconds ago |
| 08:42.20 | WeirdAl | I'll bet fifteen people went to dpkg ops then |
| 08:42.25 | WeirdAl | at least |
| 08:42.27 | PumpkinPie | WHO WANTS IT |
| 08:42.38 | dli | who asked me about wvdial? |
| 08:42.49 | CAiRO | "gdm_config_parse: Chooser not found or it can\'t be executed by the GDM user" <-- what does that mean? how to fix it? execpt for this message, actually everything is working |
| 08:43.00 | dli | because of the spam, I forgot |
| 08:43.21 | tremor | dli: i think, TOnyStark |
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| 08:43.33 | azeem | 10:26 < TonyStark> dli, ok, wait one minute, and i configure wvdial for gprs |
| 08:43.34 | tremor | btw .. hi CAiRO :) |
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| 08:43.48 | CAiRO | oh hi, there you are again :) |
| 08:43.53 | tremor | jep |
| 08:43.55 | TonyStark | dli, me |
| 08:43.57 | dli | TonyStark, wvdial doesn't send passwd |
| 08:44.08 | TonyStark | doesn't send passwd? |
| 08:44.18 | dli | TonyStark, looks to be the reason for hangup |
| 08:44.31 | tremor | CAiRO: is ff now working for you? |
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| 08:44.49 | TonyStark | dli, it has something to see with the autentication method, chap, pap or script? |
| 08:45.02 | CAiRO | yes, everything is fine, it's been working since i found out that i had to comment one line in the shell script |
| 08:45.12 | CAiRO | thanks for your help again :) |
| 08:45.21 | dli | TonyStark, yes, so, that's the problem |
| 08:45.45 | dli | TonyStark, did you use "wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf"? |
| 08:45.52 | tremor | CAiRO: no problem :) .. and did you try to fall back to the original script after an additional update? |
| 08:46.02 | TonyStark | dli, ok, the infomration i could get about my provider didn't said neither chap or pap, only "segura" (secure) |
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| 08:46.39 | CAiRO | tremor: i assume it will be overwritten since /usr/bin/firefox is not a config file and haven't done anything to stop it from overwriting it, so with the next update, it should be the normal script again |
| 08:46.44 | TonyStark | dli, yes |
| 08:47.03 | zrin | "Setting up ntp-server (4.2.0a+stable-8.1) ..." "User root does not exist" "invoke-rc.d: initscript ntp-server, action "start" failed." "dpkg: error processing ntp-server (--configure):" ... how to tackle this problem? |
| 08:47.06 | CAiRO | oh, they changed the path of gdmchooser to /usr/lib/gdm.. even though it's a binary and has been in /usr/bin before, hmm |
| 08:47.09 | dli | TonyStark, did you try "Stupid Mode = yes" in wvdial.conf |
| 08:47.40 | TonyStark | dli not |
| 08:48.10 | dli | TonyStark, try it now |
| 08:48.24 | tremor | CAiRO: not sure about, but maybe the file will not be overwritten with the next update, if you have modified it. |
| 08:48.38 | TonyStark | dli, I'm doing right now... |
| 08:48.57 | CAiRO | tremor: that's only for config file (they have to markek as config files somewhere in the debian package) |
| 08:49.09 | tremor | CAiRO: ah, ok then. |
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| 08:49.18 | CAiRO | tremor: using dpkg-divert i could set the flag manually if i wanted to keep my version |
| 08:50.05 | TonyStark | dli, I have to go out a few minutes, I will come back |
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| 08:51.24 | CAiRO | tremor: did you check out ircnet? |
| 08:51.42 | tremor | CAiRO: yes, i'm in there atm |
| 08:51.58 | CAiRO | oh ok |
| 08:52.16 | dli | TonyStark, do you have username and passwd in your /etc/wvdial.conf, kind of stupid question, but got to check |
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| 08:53.08 | tremor | CAiRO: but atm i'm a bit tired and so i'm just reading in there ^^ |
| 08:53.31 | CAiRO | i see, i have to do some work, so i'll talk to you later |
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| 08:54.10 | tremor | CAiRO: no problem. i also have do do some work. maybe we see later there |
| 08:54.21 | CAiRO | yes, cu |
| 08:54.26 | miro | hi... sagt mal, wo speichert ver. 7 vom x-server die module? weil ich versuche gerade eine ältere version vom nvidia-treiber zu installieren, die den --x-module-path-parameter nicht kennt |
| 08:54.59 | tremor | miro: das ist ein englisch-sprachiger channel |
| 08:55.02 | trenka | miro: Ñ ÔÏÖÅ ÔÁË ÓÒÁÚÕ ÐÏÄÕÍÁÌ |
| 08:55.05 | miro | lol |
| 08:55.12 | miro | kannst ja trotzdem antworten :D |
| 08:55.24 | miro | uups, ich hab doch #debian.de gejoint..? |
| 08:55.33 | miro | naja, cu ;) |
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| 08:57.58 | dli | what's going on? |
| 08:58.37 | zu22 | howdy |
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| 08:59.28 | tremor | dli: do you mean about miro? |
| 09:00.39 | dli | tremor, yes |
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| 09:01.05 | tremor | dli: he/she thought, beeing in a german speaking chan. |
| 09:01.12 | Firefishe | my deutsche ain't so good theze daze ;) hee |
| 09:01.23 | feltz | Is fsck checking partitions every 30 times mounted at boot a Debian-specific option? |
| 09:01.46 | tremor | dli: i think he/she posted only in the wrong window. |
| 09:02.03 | dli | tremor, I see |
| 09:02.09 | valdyn | feltz: maybe, depends on what is set on that specific FS anyway |
| 09:02.29 | valdyn | feltz: man tune2fs |
| 09:02.39 | feltz | valdyn: I let it run to 100%, but my system hung later in the put process at starting syslogd |
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| 09:02.51 | feltz | So I hit Ctrl+Alt+Del, but now GRUB won't even load |
| 09:02.58 | feltz | GRUB gives me Error 24 |
| 09:03.07 | valdyn | feltz: disk kaputt? |
| 09:03.14 | meeps | heh |
| 09:03.19 | feltz | Do you think my data could be corrupted? Or is this just a GRUB issue? |
| 09:03.21 | meeps | i get error 24 when performing rm -rf / :) |
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| 09:03.31 | meeps | truth be told mr feltz |
| 09:03.32 | valdyn | feltz: sounds like a hardware issue |
| 09:03.39 | meeps | valdyn? not necessarily |
| 09:03.40 | feltz | I mean this only happened when fsck ran though |
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| 09:03.49 | valdyn | feltz: but it might aswell be that grub's files are broken |
| 09:03.50 | meeps | feltz sounds like "wiped disk" |
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| 09:04.12 | meeps | wheres theres an mbr but a corrupted disk, yes :< |
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| 09:04.16 | dli | feltz, just fsck, and reinstall grub |
| 09:04.28 | feltz | meeps: Could it be just "wiped primary partition"? I don't care if my sda1 partition is wiped, I only have the OS there |
| 09:04.38 | feltz | My sda5 though is 450GB+ and has a lot of data |
| 09:04.46 | meeps | Im really not sure ;-) just error 24 is what i get when i wipe these boxes at work. |
| 09:04.53 | feltz | Eep |
| 09:05.01 | meeps | heh , without wiping the mbr, admittedly |
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| 09:05.18 | meeps | well im sure its ok feltz :) |
| 09:05.23 | meeps | im just making it sound worse than it is. |
| 09:05.27 | valdyn | feltz: grub just needs to find some files in /boot/, that is all, might be just that or a broken fs or a broken disk |
| 09:05.30 | feltz | Ugh, okay... I guess I'll just format sda1 and reinstall Debian on it and hope my sda5 is still okay |
| 09:05.30 | meeps | dli is right , and knows way more than me ;) |
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| 09:05.44 | UziMaster | how do i measure a directory's size? |
| 09:05.44 | meeps | well feltz i dont think you need to reinstall do you? |
| 09:05.48 | Firefishe | just don't reformat the larger directory |
| 09:05.55 | feltz | Does it matter that I have my HDD stored horizontally does it? |
| 09:06.02 | dli | UziMaster, du -sh foo |
| 09:06.04 | robert83a1 | hello everyone, n a good morning , what is the debian equivalent of chkconfig ? |
| 09:06.06 | meeps | he shouldnt do feltz as long as its at a right angle :) |
| 09:06.12 | valdyn | meeps: not by that alone, but his story indicates that there might be alot more broken |
| 09:06.14 | dli | UziMaster, "man du" for more |
| 09:06.23 | meeps | valdyn aye :) |
| 09:06.31 | dli | robert83a1, I don't know chkconfig |
| 09:06.34 | meeps | good point :) |
| 09:06.40 | meeps | still fsck is worth a shot |
| 09:06.45 | meeps | incase grub did corrupt |
| 09:06.50 | robert83a1 | its a program for setting up which services start up when system boots up |
| 09:06.59 | feltz | Instead of the HDD being flat in the case, it's flipped 90 degrees so it's now vertical... is that bad? |
| 09:07.03 | dli | robert83a1, man update-rc.d |
| 09:07.06 | meeps | feltz i dont thinkso |
| 09:07.08 | robert83a1 | thanx |
| 09:07.23 | meeps | as long as there is an even amount of gravity on the device. :) |
| 09:07.25 | valdyn | robert83a1: you could just remove unwanted services too |
| 09:07.27 | feltz | meeps: The problem started when I booted and fsck did it's "you've mounted this partition 30 times without checking, doing it auto now!" |
| 09:07.29 | meeps | and its not crooked , fighting against anything. |
| 09:07.35 | meeps | feltz, oh dear! |
| 09:07.43 | meeps | :( |
| 09:07.49 | dli | feltz, modern hdd doesn't care, but still avoid moving it when it running |
| 09:07.53 | meeps | sounds like win NT :) *giggle |
| 09:08.05 | skysong | hello all |
| 09:08.05 | feltz | I let it go to 100%, but the boot process hung at starting syslogd |
| 09:08.12 | meeps | oh deary me :( |
| 09:08.17 | meeps | im sure its just sda1 |
| 09:08.21 | meeps | like you suggested |
| 09:08.25 | feltz | I didn't know what to do so I hit Ctrl+Alt+Del and that's when I got the GRUB Error 24 |
| 09:08.31 | valdyn | feltz: this probably has nothing to do with fsck |
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| 09:08.38 | meeps | yes |
| 09:08.39 | feltz | I keep my sda1 just 6GB for the OS for a reason... |
| 09:08.42 | meeps | probably fsck couldnt fix it all |
| 09:08.45 | skysong | id like to know something, i have a shuttle here, the mainboard is an FN45 |
| 09:08.49 | valdyn | feltz: because _before_ fsck will change _anything_ on your disk it will ask you |
| 09:08.53 | skysong | anyone know what im talking about? |
| 09:09.19 | Firefishe | skysong: I've heard of the shuttle, those little cube computers? |
| 09:09.19 | valdyn | !tell skysong -about ask |
| 09:09.27 | meeps | heh valdyn |
| 09:09.32 | skysong | yea Firefishe |
| 09:09.32 | meeps | "just ask?" |
| 09:09.33 | meeps | :D |
| 09:09.47 | feltz | meeps: fsck is set to check partitions mounted 30 times at boot automatically with Debian, right? |
| 09:09.56 | skysong | if i install debian on my pc will it detect the board automtically like in suse? |
| 09:09.56 | meeps | yes |
| 09:09.59 | feltz | I mean I've seen it behave that way on multiple computers |
| 09:10.00 | Firefishe | skysong: I don't know much about them operationally, although I do like their integrated motif. |
| 09:10.00 | meeps | feltz, that is indeed correct |
| 09:10.07 | skysong | or i should find the drivers as well? |
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| 09:10.10 | feltz | OKay... is that good? I mean should I leave that enabled? |
| 09:10.12 | meeps | and has caused much disbelief when occuring during a kernel upgrade reboot ;-) |
| 09:10.19 | valdyn | feltz: its a setting set on each partition individually |
| 09:10.22 | meeps | feltz i wouldnt personally . |
| 09:10.23 | feltz | Because with such a large partition it takes an awfully long time... |
| 09:10.31 | skysong | because im a bit afraid of upgrading to debian because of that |
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| 09:10.33 | dli | feltz, if you don't like the feature, you can try, jfs, journal replay is much faster |
| 09:10.37 | meeps | its quite happy annoying when you reboot and it does fsck |
| 09:10.40 | meeps | and you make a call to the dc |
| 09:10.45 | meeps | and they say "its up, you moron" |
| 09:10.45 | meeps | :-) |
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| 09:10.52 | dli | feltz, I hate ext3 because of the 30 times default |
| 09:10.52 | UziMaster | dli: thank u, i did it! "du -hs" work :D |
| 09:11.03 | valdyn | skysong: we cant predict that debian will detect anything, as cant suse |
| 09:11.05 | meeps | heh |
| 09:11.07 | feltz | dli: How about ReiserFS? |
| 09:11.08 | meeps | I like ext3 |
| 09:11.13 | meeps | pity about the fscking defaults :) |
| 09:11.19 | skysong | okay |
| 09:11.20 | meeps | hmm resierFS is good |
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| 09:11.24 | valdyn | skysong: if your hardware is supported by debians kernel it will be detected, just like on suse |
| 09:11.26 | dli | feltz, don't use it, no point |
| 09:11.27 | feltz | Actually I'd rather not reformat this large partition just to change the filesystem |
| 09:11.31 | dli | !reiserfs |
| 09:11.32 | dpkg | from memory, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 09:11.45 | valdyn | feltz: ext3 is good, no reason to change it |
| 09:11.46 | meeps | lol :) |
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| 09:11.56 | skysong | okay valdyn thanks, i think ill try it |
| 09:12.01 | feltz | I'm sure there is an option to tell fsck *not* to check every 30 mounts, right? |
| 09:12.11 | valdyn | skysong: make sure you have ways to burn a new installer anyway |
| 09:12.18 | meeps | i KNEW i shouldnt have used reiser fs for our md0 |
| 09:12.18 | meeps | ;/ |
| 09:12.20 | meeps | heh |
| 09:12.21 | meeps | ;- ) |
| 09:12.23 | feltz | Hrm, I should read up on fsck anyway |
| 09:12.23 | valdyn | skysong: because in case something doesnt work there's debian alternatives |
| 09:12.24 | meeps | good jot its raid 5. |
| 09:12.25 | trenka | feltz: man tune2fs |
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| 09:12.26 | meeps | *prays |
| 09:12.34 | dli | feltz, I believe, you would be happy with either jfs or reiser4 |
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| 09:12.51 | valdyn | dli: geez |
| 09:12.54 | skysong | what alternative? |
| 09:13.01 | feltz | trenka: Yeah, okay, I can't really right now as I cannot boot up into my machine (I'm on a friend's icky doze machine =[) |
| 09:13.04 | valdyn | skysong: different installers |
| 09:13.08 | meeps | im pretty worried now |
| 09:13.12 | skysong | hmm |
| 09:13.12 | meeps | we use reiser at work :P |
| 09:13.19 | skysong | that what im afraid in fact :p |
| 09:13.26 | dli | meeps, not reiserfs, reiser4 :( |
| 09:13.37 | meeps | :( |
| 09:13.46 | valdyn | meeps: nothing against reiserfs, but recommending reiser4 to feltz is uh, sicko |
| 09:13.47 | skysong | suse was pretty simple in installing, gentoo had a looot of errors, the remaining alternative was debian |
| 09:13.48 | dli | meeps, reiserfs refers to reiser-3.6, nowadays |
| 09:14.00 | meeps | ohh right. well i think we have resier-3.6 |
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| 09:14.13 | meeps | im crapping it now ,as we have a raid 5 array across 4x80 gig (software) + 1 spare |
| 09:14.16 | meeps | should i be "crapping it" |
| 09:14.19 | meeps | :< |
| 09:14.20 | dli | meeps, you'd better change :( if you don't have backup |
| 09:14.23 | valdyn | skysong: read the install guide, install debian, there's not much point in pre install discussions really |
| 09:14.25 | meeps | i dont :< |
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| 09:14.42 | meeps | thanks for the warning, at least if something bad happens ill be prepared now |
| 09:14.46 | skysong | ok cool |
| 09:14.57 | meeps | time for some deus Ex :) |
| 09:15.04 | feltz | Bah, well, I think I'll just run the etch d-i again and format sda1 and rewrite GRUB to my MBR and hope sda5 is okay |
| 09:15.05 | meeps | have fun guys, Thanks, always an interesting/informative chat here |
| 09:15.09 | feltz | meeps: I LOVE that game!!! |
| 09:15.14 | meeps | yes :D |
| 09:15.18 | meeps | deus ex, best game, ever! |
| 09:15.33 | Space_Ace | Hi; I need advice about purchasing a PC - do you think it's worth trying an AMD64? I now have a sarge, but I've heard that debian on AMD64 is still experimental ... |
| 09:15.34 | feltz | Incredible storyline, dialogue, environments, plot developments |
| 09:15.35 | meeps | only a linux tech would appreciate the mental ambiguity of its creation :) |
| 09:15.35 | dli | feltz, choose "Do not use" for sda5 |
| 09:15.49 | feltz | dli: Why not "use but keep existing data"? |
| 09:15.52 | valdyn | Space_Ace: amd64 is an excellent cpu for i386 debian too |
| 09:16.02 | meeps | valdyn yes |
| 09:16.07 | valdyn | Space_Ace: you are not required to switch to debian/amd64 |
| 09:16.13 | meeps | But ive heard dual memory registers actually utilises the performance of the amd64's |
| 09:16.13 | meeps | :< |
| 09:16.18 | meeps | we have i386 X2 debian sarge |
| 09:16.29 | meeps | regretting not trying the i64 |
| 09:16.29 | Space_Ace | vald: do you mean that I could install it? |
| 09:16.32 | dli | feltz, is that option available? no installation for long time here, but "Do not use" is even safer |
| 09:16.32 | meeps | it is stable, ish :) |
| 09:16.45 | valdyn | Space_Ace: yea, amd64 cpus support both |
| 09:16.45 | LinuxLoader | checking "for mysql"... no |
| 09:16.52 | LinuxLoader | i have mysql installed |
| 09:17.04 | LinuxLoader | any ideas |
| 09:17.08 | feltz | dli: yeah, it's available... I tell it to use it with the filesystem I know it's already formatted as (ext3) and it auto-defaults to "keep existing data" |
| 09:17.10 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 09:17.11 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 09:17.36 | feltz | meeps: what part are you at? |
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| 09:18.04 | Space_Ace | Hmmm - I got a dvd with sarge for i386, so it would work with an AMD64 (I guess without the benefits of the 64 bits ...) |
| 09:18.05 | valdyn | LinuxLoader: its looking for stuff that is in a debian -dev package, maybe libmysql15-dev or somesuch |
| 09:18.21 | feltz | meeps: And what are you using to play Deus Ex under Debian? Cedega? |
| 09:18.23 | Eclipser | what's a good modern laptop on which linux works fine? :) |
| 09:18.25 | valdyn | Space_Ace: yep |
| 09:18.27 | LinuxLoader | valdyn: strange i have it installed |
| 09:18.28 | dli | Space_Ace, why not install amd64? |
| 09:18.59 | valdyn | Space_Ace: without the drawback too |
| 09:19.00 | Eclipser | last time I tried deus ex with cedega, the sound were choppy |
| 09:19.03 | brianut | I deleted my apache config file(while apache was running), could anyone point me in the right direction about how I might possibly recover it off of an Ext3 filesystem? |
| 09:19.16 | feltz | Space_Ace: That's correct. If you had an AMD64 bit CPU an i386 (32-bit) OS would work just fine, without the benefits of the 64-bit extensions. However you will *not* be able to run 64-bit applications under a 32-bit OS such as sarge i386. |
| 09:19.24 | TonyStark | dli, it doesn't wokrk now anything con wvdial ;( |
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| 09:20.06 | feltz | Eclipser: I used the loki installer for the game and just have Cedega installed and it works fine as long as I use the binaries that come wwith the loki installer |
| 09:20.10 | trenka | LinuxLoader: -dev parts installed too? look at the config.log |
| 09:20.12 | dli | TonyStark, do you have username and passwd set in wvdial.conf? |
| 09:20.25 | TonyStark | dli, yes, I have checked that... |
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| 09:20.59 | Space_Ace | I'm not an IT professional, but just a hobby linuxist, so hacking with an experimental package frightens me a bit |
| 09:21.01 | raf256` | how to kill (zap) current X? |
| 09:21.44 | nkuttler | raf256`: ctrl-alt-backspace ? |
| 09:21.45 | Blissex | Space_Ace: thats indeed a bad idea... |
| 09:21.47 | splattnik | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 09:22.09 | feltz | Space_Ace: It might even be a worthwhile investment to get an AMD64 CPU right now, even if you do run a 32-bit OS on it. You can always switch OSes later to utilize the 64-bit extensions (perhaps once there is a stable Debian version compiled for AMD64?) |
| 09:22.21 | raf256` | damn VNC |
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| 09:22.33 | Space_Ace | On the other hand - I've heard - there is very little stuff for 64bit |
| 09:22.59 | Space_Ace | such as openoffice, etc |
| 09:23.22 | feltz | Space_Ace: That will change in time. Keep in mind that people were using 16-bit operating systems almost a full 10 years after the first 32-bit CPU (386DX) came out. |
| 09:23.23 | raf256` | Blissex: it still do not work |
| 09:23.30 | raf256` | LINUX SUCKS BALLS |
| 09:23.32 | valdyn | Space_Ace: very little stuff is missing on amd64 |
| 09:23.33 | raf256` | grr |
| 09:23.42 | TonyStark | dli, http://pastebin.com/701514 |
| 09:23.53 | valdyn | Space_Ace: but those may be important: proprietary sun java plugin / flash / openoffice |
| 09:23.57 | skysong | valdyn |
| 09:24.04 | skysong | ive got a last question |
| 09:24.04 | raf256` | now X do not start (after adding module vnc) - bitching about missing modules bitmap and pcidata |
| 09:24.17 | skysong | stupid it might seem, im really sorry |
| 09:24.18 | feltz | Space_Ace: Also, remember if you have an x86_64 CPU (AMD64) and you run a 64-bit OS on it, you can still run 32-bit applications on it. |
| 09:24.31 | skysong | which debian runs latest packages? |
| 09:24.46 | valdyn | skysong: please dont start with the latest, start with stable |
| 09:24.56 | valdyn | skysong: aka 'sarge' |
| 09:24.58 | dli | TonyStark, try "Stupid Mode = yes" |
| 09:25.07 | raf256` | !smite VNC devels |
| 09:25.11 | valdyn | skysong: upgrading is an option later on |
| 09:25.13 | skysong | thanks:) |
| 09:25.29 | Space_Ace | valdyn: then installing the debian x86-64 is a feasible option |
| 09:25.31 | skysong | my connection is slow, i wont be able to do updates that much |
| 09:25.32 | skysong | :( |
| 09:26.02 | valdyn | Space_Ace: sure, its up to you, using 32 bit software on it isnt painless |
| 09:26.09 | valdyn | Space_Ace: but it can be done |
| 09:26.25 | Space_Ace | I still think I'll wait for the stable 64 bit debian (I'm busy enough with my current sarge) |
| 09:26.25 | TonyStark | dli, it does not work neither... |
| 09:26.47 | feltz | god dammit Debian don't eat my sda5 partition! That's almost 300GB of data! |
| 09:26.51 | feltz | I want my money back... |
| 09:26.56 | feltz | oh wait |
| 09:27.08 | valdyn | Space_Ace: the speed improvements on amd64 are not that big either, or zero, depending on what you do |
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| 09:28.19 | dli | TonyStark, is it possible your ISP doesn't support linux |
| 09:28.26 | Space_Ace | OK - some more advice (you are all very kind indeed) - how about the hardware, do you reccomend nvidia or ati, as a video card? |
| 09:28.33 | dli | TonyStark, like those so called highspeed dialup |
| 09:28.42 | valdyn | dli: eh? |
| 09:29.03 | valdyn | dli: there's dialup isps that use a proprietary protocol instead of ppp ? |
| 09:29.09 | TonyStark | dli, maybe a slowdon of the connection? from 115200 to 9600 ? maybe? |
| 09:29.45 | dli | TonyStark, unlikely, 115200 is the speed at your serial port |
| 09:29.48 | feltz | Yeah that would be really screwed up... I wouldn't see the advantage from the ISPs point of view for doing that, though... |
| 09:30.01 | valdyn | TonyStark: 'doesnt work' is bad, you want to switch on debugging in your ppp config and show us that log |
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| 09:30.37 | TonyStark | valdyn, i have configured with pon/poff, and it hangs up, would you like a paste of plog? |
| 09:30.45 | dli | feltz, the advantage is easier for support, because all dialing is done by software auto, their own software, and for windows only, some mac also |
| 09:30.54 | valdyn | TonyStark: if it gives useful output |
| 09:31.07 | Space_Ace | Another question: what is the state of gentoo and the AMD64 (please don't flame on me - I haven't betrayed yet)? |
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| 09:31.16 | valdyn | TonyStark: no one is going to be able to help your with just 'doesn't work' as symptoms of your issue |
| 09:31.23 | TonyStark | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/701523 |
| 09:31.53 | robert83a1 | postfix bad string length 0 < 1 : setgid_group, what is this about ? installed postfix, copied over the main.cf.dist file, renamed it to main.cf, edited like 3 lines , and then when I start postfix this,I noticed the error comes up when I do a newaliases /etc/aliases, but that file I haven't even touched at all |
| 09:32.12 | valdyn | TonyStark: disable taht compression |
| 09:32.20 | dli | Space_Ace, free software means freedom, you are free to betray |
| 09:32.21 | valdyn | TonyStark: i dont know if wvdial does that |
| 09:32.57 | tremor | bye |
| 09:33.01 | TonyStark | valdyn, ehm... "taht compression"? or "that compression"? how do i do that? |
| 09:33.27 | valdyn | TonyStark: /etc/ppp/ppp.conf maybe |
| 09:33.36 | raf256` | Blissex:huhu, after some rading I was able to fix one of the problems, not described in that gentoo wiki |
| 09:33.39 | valdyn | TonyStark: its years since i used ppp unfortunately |
| 09:33.42 | raf256` | *reading |
| 09:33.47 | valdyn | TonyStark: maybe wvdial has a switch for that too |
| 09:33.49 | Space_Ace | Well, didn't mr. gentoo himself betray the whole idea of the free SW (works for M$ doesn't he)? |
| 09:34.02 | raf256` | unfortunatell? |
| 09:34.04 | Blissex | raf256`: reading a bit more is often a good idea... |
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| 09:34.11 | dli | Space_Ace, I heard he betrayed MS later |
| 09:34.13 | TonyStark | valdyn, er, well, me too, but with gsm/gprs/umts there's something else? ;D |
| 09:34.18 | valdyn | TonyStark: log is saying that your isp doesnt like and will hang up because you're using Protocol-Reject for 'Compression Control Protocol' |
| 09:34.38 | dli | Space_Ace, so, you got the point? it's "free to betray" |
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| 09:35.49 | valdyn | TonyStark: i may be able to point out the option to remove if you show your ppp config file |
| 09:36.00 | Space_Ace | Yes free with all that implies ... Anyway - is the 64 bit state of gentoo any more advanced than ours (the debianists)? |
| 09:36.17 | TonyStark | valdyn, I'm using pppconfig + pon/poff scripts, othere are something as 2 scripts, maybe a pastebin? |
| 09:36.26 | feltz | YES!!! My data is okay!!! |
| 09:36.29 | valdyn | TonyStark: config file is in /etc/ppp |
| 09:36.35 | dli | Space_Ace, they are different, "advanced" depends on what you need |
| 09:36.37 | feltz | *phew* |
| 09:36.50 | raf256` | FUCK |
| 09:37.12 | TonyStark | valdyn, with pon and poff not exactly, yo do "pon script" and it looks the configuration script in /etc/ppp/peers" that is where yo uu have the script |
| 09:37.13 | raf256` | M* F* VNC is totally fucked up. there are more bugs then in IE and OE combined.. linux sucks |
| 09:37.37 | valdyn | TonyStark: fine, peers/* is in /etc/ppp too ) |
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| 09:38.46 | TonyStark | valdyn, I have checked against man pon, it works so,.. one minute, I am going to put everything under pastebin... |
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| 09:39.20 | valdyn | TonyStark: mind, its years, i think the option is called 'novj' |
| 09:39.22 | valdyn | TonyStark: still looking |
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| 09:40.29 | valdyn | TonyStark: man pppd, look at novj, novjccomp, put those options into your peers/provider file |
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| 09:42.48 | valdyn | TonyStark: and noaccomp |
| 09:42.51 | TonyStark | valdyn, ok, I'm going to do now... I have paste it in http://pastebin.com/701529 |
| 09:42.56 | nightwatch | hi there, i'm compiling a package using apt-get --build source pack but when it is up to compile apt recognizes my architecture as i386 but my pc is p4 and my kernel is i686, where I fix it? |
| 09:42.57 | Noboru | I have a question please |
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| 09:43.38 | valdyn | TonyStark: alright, add those 3 no* to movistar-gprs-gratis |
| 09:43.40 | zu22 | debian makes another convert from redhat : http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9933812128.html |
| 09:43.42 | Noboru | In your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default ,do you have a 'htdocs' by default ? |
| 09:44.23 | Noboru | I am sure i dont have one by default but after i changed the DocumentRoot ,apache asks me --> htdocs not found,folder not exist |
| 09:44.34 | Noboru | so i had to create one now its working,but im curious how come ? |
| 09:44.42 | trenka | nightwatch: i386 is a x86 (32 bit) architecture. |
| 09:44.53 | valdyn | TonyStark: let me know if that works, eating now |
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| 09:45.22 | nightwatch | I know, is compatible but not optimized I think.. |
| 09:46.23 | TonyStark | valdyn, it does not work.. http://pastebin.com/701538 |
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| 09:51.58 | raf256` | did you know that liunux is totally fucked up and uselles? |
| 09:52.08 | raf256` | in terms of using remote desktop that is |
| 09:52.21 | raf256` | non of two methods worked, instead I find 2 bugs and several problems. |
| 09:53.07 | lanchow | Q: i think my .inputrc insn't properly loaded, do i need to set $INPUTRC or something else ? |
| 09:53.38 | aidan | raf256`: okay, so because some broken remote desktop program does not work, linux is fucked up? I think you should go outside and have a timtam |
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| 09:55.28 | raf256` | aidan: no, it is totally fucked up, are vnc, or debian devels of vnc, or both, totall morons? |
| 09:55.34 | juan__ | raf256`: yes we know x11 is crap use rdp or ica |
| 09:55.39 | raf256` | I use xorg |
| 09:56.05 | raf256` | can I use rdp or ica to 1. connect to my current desktop (just "as I left it") |
| 09:56.12 | aidan | raf256`: they're open source, why don't you fix them then? |
| 09:56.28 | stoned | timtam lol |
| 09:56.38 | raf256` | is it secure, is it fast (compression)? and can I do tricks with it like saving logs / snapshots, proxy to several viewers/monitors etc? |
| 09:56.45 | stoned | what is wrong with vnc through ssh? |
| 09:56.49 | stoned | that shit not good enough for ya? |
| 09:56.54 | raf256` | stoned: it do not work |
| 09:57.01 | Coweater | define do not work already |
| 09:57.02 | stoned | what does not 'work'? |
| 09:57.04 | raf256` | yes, that shit is not good, since it fail to start |
| 09:57.22 | raf256` | 1. it do not connect to EXISTING desktop, it spawns a new desktop instead |
| 09:57.24 | stoned | raf256`, if you can't make it work, than its not the software's problem |
| 09:57.27 | Coweater | and if you want your current desktop use x11vnc |
| 09:57.33 | raf256` | 2. it sends in 8 16 or 32 bpp while client needs 24 bpp |
| 09:57.36 | raf256` | 1. is bigger problem |
| 09:58.00 | stoned | I use rdp all the time to connect to my monitorless windows server |
| 09:58.12 | stoned | I have also setup other ways, like vnc, etc. |
| 09:58.16 | raf256` | Coweater: just type "x11vnc" while leaving desktop? |
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| 09:58.18 | stoned | everything has worked so far |
| 09:58.33 | Coweater | raf256`: man x11vnc, install it if you don't have it |
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| 09:58.46 | stoned | I've ran xservers on windows and gone through ssh which also is workable sometimes |
| 09:59.26 | zu22 | anyway to get GNOME 2.14.0 in unstable? are there unofficial bleeding edge deb sites?:) |
| 09:59.38 | stoned | zu22, you can comiple it yourself |
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| 09:59.54 | raf256` | Coweater: I started "x11vnc" and nothing happened. |
| 10:00.09 | ranpha | isn't gnome 2.14 already in unstable?? i got 2.14 in testing |
| 10:00.19 | zu22 | ah |
| 10:00.24 | stoned | is it now? I thoght it was being uploaded it in small bits and pieces |
| 10:00.37 | stoned | and so far only some libs were done, that was a few weeks ago I checked |
| 10:01.17 | stoned | zu22, gnome.org <-- software and how to compile it |
| 10:01.19 | stoned | :) |
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| 10:02.09 | stoned | Hungry Man's chicken pot pie, 1 pound, huge, later people |
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| 10:02.40 | raf256 | this x11vnc is totally fucked up, htf do I set a port, why tehre is no --port option |
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| 10:03.41 | eleftherios | does anyone know why mysql-server and mysql-client are being kept back in Etch on apt-get upgrades? |
| 10:04.31 | stoned | raf256, kick your own self |
| 10:04.35 | Axiom | i just installed a win2k driver for my wifi card(rtl8180) using ndiswrapper, the driver installed fine but wlan0 isn't in iwconfig, what do i do? |
| 10:04.53 | raf256 | stoned: why? I didnt wrote useless pice of software |
| 10:04.57 | stoned | raf256, http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 10:05.08 | stoned | raf256, please stop being an ass |
| 10:05.14 | raf256 | stoned: no shit watson! Im readinf mans, wikis and so on since yesterday |
| 10:05.24 | raf256 | and ALL methods described in docs failed misserably |
| 10:05.33 | stoned | raf256, then it means you are an idiot |
| 10:05.41 | zrin | I've set up ntp server but when trying to use it from a client, ntpdate prints "server 192.168.205.150, stratum 16, offset 0.003563, delay 0.02567" " 6 May 12:05:14 ntpdate[6993]: no server suitable for synchronization found" ... where is the probelm? |
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| 10:05.46 | raf256 | because vnc programs are broken in debian? |
| 10:05.55 | raf256 | yes that makes _me_ an idiot. |
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| 10:06.37 | raf256 | zrin: what was the command? try like ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 10:06.47 | stoned | The docs work for everyone else. I am using VNC right now, on display 1: on this pc, which is being used by a windows pc somewhere in the house, and I've got vnc clients running locally so I can access windows, and other stuff, and I've got rdp running to my windows machiens. I use NOTHING but debian, and vnc is not broken in debian |
| 10:06.55 | zrin | raf256: ntpdate -4uqv x2a |
| 10:07.07 | raf256 | zinx: give the URL in command line, IMHO |
| 10:07.17 | raf256 | stoned: ok. Im on my desktop, what should I type then? |
| 10:07.22 | zrin | raf256: x2a is my server with ntpd running (192.168.205.150) |
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| 10:07.34 | stoned | raf256, I am not going to spoonfeed you |
| 10:07.49 | stoned | raf256, you've been told of the resources, you should make use of them now |
| 10:08.00 | raf256 | stoned: "vncserver" didnt worked - it couldnt connect to _current_ server. So what else? |
| 10:08.16 | raf256 | stoned: yes, I followd your wiki page, it waste me half an hour. |
| 10:08.19 | stoned | raf256, if you don't understand what you are doing, then life sucks for you |
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| 10:08.33 | raf256 | after adding Module vnc to xorg, xorg and X crashes when I try to connect to them, |
| 10:08.41 | zrin | raf256: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:09.02 | raf256 | stoned: so the wiki page you gave me results in crash of entire X, yes that was helpfull.... |
| 10:09.10 | raf256 | zrin: connect to my current desktop from laptop |
| 10:09.16 | stoned | raf256, "vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 1024x768 :0" |
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| 10:09.26 | zrin | raf256: and the desktop is running xorg? |
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| 10:09.35 | stoned | zrin, don't even bother |
| 10:09.36 | lanchow | Q: why in bash, we need to push shift with pageup, to pageup ? |
| 10:09.38 | freelancer | hi peoples |
| 10:09.39 | raf256 | stoned: you relly think I didnt tried that, you think Im a fucking moron? |
| 10:09.40 | stoned | you'll end up getting insulted |
| 10:09.41 | zrin | stoned: no, that's another thing |
| 10:09.47 | raf256 | stoned: I tried that. |
| 10:10.05 | raf256 | stoned: it results in: Warning: lore.raf256:0 is not taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock Remove this file if there is no X server lore.raf256:0 A VNC server is already running as :0 |
| 10:10.10 | Noboru | how do i set a folder to drwx-wx-wt ? |
| 10:10.17 | stoned | raf256, what are you trying to accomplish |
| 10:10.20 | zrin | stoned: vncserver opens a new X, it can not connect to a running xorg |
| 10:10.31 | stoned | then use x11vnc for FUCKS SAKE! |
| 10:10.50 | raf256 | stoned: I am on a desktop (DISPLAY = :1.0) and I want to see this desktop on remote laptop via lan. |
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| 10:11.09 | zrin | raf256, stoned: I think x11vnc is the only possibility |
| 10:11.11 | raf256 | stoned: I used x11vnc as well, it did not worked either - it didt spawn no listening socket at all |
| 10:11.39 | raf256 | x11vnc is poorly documented, there is no --port nor --password commad in man, |
| 10:11.43 | zrin | raf256: vncserver can not help you |
| 10:11.51 | raf256 | hmm ok, |
| 10:12.05 | raf256 | so what full command line x11vnc... I should use on desktop while leaving it, to access it on a laptop? |
| 10:12.09 | zrin | raf256: try to get x11vnc running |
| 10:12.11 | raf256 | desktop DISPLAY is 1:0 |
| 10:12.34 | quitte | lanchow: thats not bash thats the scroll buffer of the terminal that you control by that. without the shift you couldnt use pgup,pgdn in irssi for example. |
| 10:12.52 | raf256 | $ x11vnc warns about no passsword, then it seem to start, but I can't connect at all, |
| 10:13.08 | stoned | raf256, x11vnc :display runs on desktop pc. VNCVIEWER is run on laptop pc. |
| 10:13.10 | raf256 | how to set the port for x11vnc to 5091 ? |
| 10:13.12 | raf256 | 5901 |
| 10:13.16 | zrin | raf256: you have to configure it and set password |
| 10:13.27 | raf256 | stoned: thanks, but I really know that. I read few mas. |
| 10:13.27 | stoned | raf256, http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ <--either you can't read, or you are an idiot |
| 10:13.30 | raf256 | manulas |
| 10:13.33 | stoned | thats ALL I can conclude |
| 10:13.42 | zrin | raf256: don't bother about the port, it will be 5900 or 5901 per default |
| 10:13.56 | raf256 | fur fucks sake I DID read it, and I AM starting x11vnc on server and vncview on client! |
| 10:14.16 | stoned | and the problem is? |
| 10:14.17 | zrin | better calm down :) |
| 10:14.41 | raf256 | hmm |
| 10:15.23 | stoned | raf256, pretty much ALL your answers are on the page I told you about |
| 10:15.31 | stoned | now I give up, if you can't make it work, deal with it |
| 10:15.35 | raf256 | x11vnc should be running in foreground right? not go to bgr? do that look ok? http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=15464 |
| 10:15.35 | stoned | I'm done, have a good one |
| 10:16.11 | raf256 | stoned: but I followed that pages and run into some errors like X crashes as soon as I connect to it when I enabled Module "vnc" as described in vnc gentoo wiki. |
| 10:16.19 | zrin | raf256: wait a sec |
| 10:16.33 | zrin | raf256: did you start any of vncserver ? |
| 10:16.49 | zrin | raf256: kill them first |
| 10:17.09 | zrin | raf256: vncserver -kill :0 and then :1 |
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| 10:17.41 | peritus | whats the command to unpack a source package when i have (.dsc, .tar.gz, .diff.gz), without unpacking and patch:ing "manually"? |
| 10:18.31 | raf256 | zrin: TRYING THAT |
| 10:18.34 | raf256 | (sorry for caps) |
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| 10:19.04 | raf256 | there was a sever on :2 I killed it. Now I will kill and restart x11vnc. |
| 10:19.23 | zrin | raf256: check it's configuration first |
| 10:19.30 | zrin | raf256: and set the password |
| 10:19.46 | raf256 | zrin: same thing, it "hanged" after dispalying PORT=5900 thats why I asked how to set port (it is not written in man afair) |
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| 10:20.16 | raf256 | but shouldnt it "hang" there, zrin? could you paste what your "x11vnc" command is printing, to compare? it should go into background? |
| 10:20.18 | zrin | raf256: what do you mean by "hanged"? |
| 10:20.38 | raf256 | zrin: well it prints PORT=5900 and waits there (do not return to bash) is that ok? |
| 10:20.38 | freelancer | see if I can find my conflicting file/module, night two |
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| 10:20.39 | zrin | raf256: I do not use x11vnc myself |
| 10:20.49 | raf256 | btw, anyone here uses x11vnc? |
| 10:20.53 | zrin | raf256: yes, I assume that is ok |
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| 10:21.06 | zrin | raf256: did you set the password |
| 10:21.11 | raf256` | lol :) |
| 10:21.13 | raf256` | it worked |
| 10:21.15 | raf256` | hahah |
| 10:21.27 | raf256` | it shows recursivly, the miror-in-mirror effect |
| 10:21.31 | zrin | raf256: now you see, you just need to calm down ;) |
| 10:21.33 | raf256` | coz I stared it on same deskopt =) |
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| 10:22.04 | raf256` | but now lets make it start on the laptop, last time it was bitching about it can't convert from 32 bpp to 24 bpp |
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| 10:22.36 | zrin | raf256`: that is just matter of settings and tuning |
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| 10:24.48 | raf256 | it works =) |
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| 10:25.18 | raf256 | although a weired effect, it stopped my repeating-key on server, well. |
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| 10:26.01 | CexyPants | erm, I need some debian help, can anyone spare time with a n00b? |
| 10:26.38 | CexyPants | ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone |
| 10:26.43 | stoned | !ask |
| 10:26.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:26.57 | zu22 | stoned: :) |
| 10:27.02 | CexyPants | O_O |
| 10:27.30 | CexyPants | wish I was. |
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| 10:27.49 | stoned | oh man |
| 10:27.50 | stoned | fuck |
| 10:27.59 | stoned | my harold and kukmar dvd doesn't work :( |
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| 10:28.21 | Space_Ace | I'm back with a HW question: what brand of motherboard could be reccomended for an AMD64? I've heard that ASUS is particularly Linux unfriendly ... |
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| 10:29.30 | stoned | Space_Ace, you could invest in Gigabyte |
| 10:29.33 | stoned | my favorite by far |
| 10:29.49 | Space_Ace | why so? |
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| 10:30.31 | stoned | do I need to mention the applejacks commercial? |
| 10:30.31 | stoned | ;) |
| 10:30.32 | CexyPants | k guess i'll ask elsewhere for help. |
| 10:30.36 | Space_Ace | Is it an expensive one? |
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| 10:30.51 | raf256` | any idea why my desktop runs in 800x600 instead 1024x768? |
| 10:30.53 | stoned | shouldn't be |
| 10:30.56 | zrin | Space_Ace: I got A8V-VM running with X2, but it needed two small patches to the kernel and I do not use onboard video nor sound |
| 10:31.05 | theorem | hi all |
| 10:31.06 | raf256` | in xorg.conf there is 1024x768 mode |
| 10:31.10 | Noboru | i dont find a -t explanation in 'man chmod' |
| 10:31.32 | Space_Ace | I was thinking of a bare one - setting separate video and sound boards |
| 10:31.33 | Noboru | mine looks like this Manual page chmod(1) line 97/127 (END) |
| 10:31.33 | Noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.41 | theorem | can anyone help me with installing gebian on to a samsung 120gig usb hard drive |
| 10:31.50 | theorem | -debian |
| 10:32.06 | zrin | Space_Ace: do you need it for desktop or for a server? |
| 10:32.12 | Space_Ace | desktop |
| 10:32.12 | theorem | desktop |
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| 10:33.11 | didas | hi. I am looking for libdvdcss package but I see from aptitude that I can only download libdvdcss-dev. Is it the same? What does the ending -dev mean? |
| 10:33.38 | theorem | i think it means development |
| 10:33.43 | liable | raf256`: see what the log says |
| 10:33.45 | Space_Ace | development (it's for programming the package tools) |
| 10:33.46 | zrin | Space_Ace: I think you should prefer nvidia chipset then ... If it is for SATA, the new VIA chips are not yet supported by kernels shipped with debian |
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| 10:34.23 | Space_Ace | A motherboard with nvidia chipset, then |
| 10:34.31 | tim_flatus | didas, you have to download libdvdcss separately |
| 10:34.58 | zrin | Space_Ace: as I said, I got it running on VIA VT8251 (SATA), but it wasn't rrivial |
| 10:35.26 | Space_Ace | i386 or x86-64? |
| 10:35.33 | liable | theres a script in /usr/share/libdvdread?? |
| 10:35.35 | zrin | Space_Ace: the chances are that 2.6.17 will have needed drivers / patches |
| 10:35.54 | zrin | Space_Ace: amd64 |
| 10:36.25 | Space_Ace | yes, but a 64bit debian? |
| 10:36.37 | zrin | Space_Ace: are you looking for low cost desktop or for a powerful machine? |
| 10:36.54 | Space_Ace | low-cost, possibly |
| 10:36.55 | zrin | Space_Ace: debian amd64 on athlon x2 |
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| 10:37.15 | liable | /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3.. |
| 10:37.30 | didas | tim_flatus: I added the link that debian-unofficial.org website suggests and a mirror in Switcherland, I issued aptitude update but the libdvdcs packages still does not show up as an option to download and install in aptitude |
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| 10:38.17 | Space_Ace | What is an athlon 3200, then? |
| 10:38.27 | tim_flatus | didas, it's easier to just do it by hand. Don't bother trying to apt-get |
| 10:38.41 | zrin | Space_Ace: try to find low cost not-too-new MB with nvidia chipset and check for debian support |
| 10:39.17 | Space_Ace | Nvidia chipset is the key, then |
| 10:39.25 | didas | liable: yes I can see a directory /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3 |
| 10:39.47 | tuxipuxi | hi there, half-OT: i'm using rsync via ssh for backing up files to another host. i would like to run it in a script with no manual input, so entering a password is no option. unfortunately the remote host has a chroot and no ssh directory. is it somehow possible to specify a password in the ssh command? man ssh doesn't say anything about it |
| 10:39.57 | zrin | Space_Ace: it's not a must, but the rumour is that nvidia has better support |
| 10:40.46 | zrin | Space_Ace: Athlon or Sempron ... the difference is not big, it depends on what you need to run on it |
| 10:40.51 | Noboru | How can you use apt-get to install mysql while specifying the default encode in mysql from latin1 to utf8 for example ? |
| 10:40.53 | dli | tuxipuxi, read rsnapshot howto |
| 10:41.20 | dli | zrin, nvidia video card is hated by me |
| 10:41.22 | liable | didas: theres a shell script in there that will get the css bits |
| 10:41.40 | zrin | dli: I can understand that :) |
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| 10:42.36 | tuxipuxi | dli: this is not really a rsync issue, but a ssh issue |
| 10:42.54 | didas | liable: I just read the README file in the dir you suggested. Yes you are right about the script. But I tought that I should try to install staff using aptitude as much as possible |
| 10:43.10 | dli | tuxipuxi, read the howto first, then, ask your questions |
| 10:43.28 | liable | didas: you cant get it from debian.. thats why they include the script, otherwise you can get it from marillat |
| 10:43.42 | liable | didas: liscensing issues.. |
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| 10:45.25 | didas | liable: Hmmm.. I see. However, the www.http://www.debian-unofficial.org/installation.html website says that I can download the libdvdcss package. It even gives detailed instructions about how to add the entry to your sources.list file and update aptitude |
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| 10:45.59 | raf256 | *vnc |
| 10:46.19 | didas | liable: so, you suggest to either run the script or use marilla's website as a source on my sources.list ? |
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| 10:46.34 | liable | didas: yes, thats from an unofficial repo. dowhatever you want. |
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| 10:47.46 | didas | liable: ok. thx a lot. |
| 10:48.50 | liable | no problem |
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| 10:50.10 | theorem | does anyone know how to install debian onto a usb hard drive (120gig) |
| 10:50.18 | freelancer | hrmm |
| 10:50.32 | freelancer | Thats me puzzled |
| 10:50.40 | theorem | so i can take the hard drive with me to work |
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| 10:50.50 | theorem | & boot onto it |
| 10:50.52 | Blissex | theorem: there are some tutorials and HOWTOs on the subject. |
| 10:51.03 | theorem | so i can use linux instead of windows |
| 10:51.12 | [XZ]Blood | hi all |
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| 10:51.21 | theorem | Blissex: were can i find them |
| 10:51.49 | Blissex | theorem: web search with the obvious keywords. You will probably need to modify the default 'initrd' image. |
| 10:51.55 | glitch- | hi i wanted to turn my rewrite engine on mod_rewrite i have enabled it but yet to AllowOverride all which main file and directory i need to look for to do it |
| 10:52.14 | dli | theorem, I think you can :) |
| 10:52.16 | theorem | Blissex: thanks ill try that again |
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| 10:52.40 | dli | theon, easier way, just copy your current installation to usb-hdd |
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| 10:52.54 | theorem | ok |
| 10:53.13 | theorem | but my current instilation is on a seperate 250gig sata |
| 10:53.18 | dli | theon, and install grub on it to load kernel, (or syslinux) |
| 10:53.51 | dli | theon, boot your current installation, mount your usb-hdd |
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| 10:54.16 | dli | theorem, I suppose you have correct partitions on it (better with a small /boot) |
| 10:54.48 | Noboru | if i want to install mysql in static mode i cannot use apt-get install ? |
| 10:54.58 | theorem | well it works great on my pc so im assuming everything is fine |
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| 10:55.39 | dli | theorem, then, you can simply, "cp -a /bin /lib /sbin /usr /opt ... /mnt/usbhdd" |
| 10:55.41 | [XZ]Blood | FFFFF |
| 10:55.49 | [XZ]Blood | Eto 4o takoeto ml9 |
| 10:55.58 | fourat | which package does contain 'make' ? |
| 10:56.39 | dli | fourat, could be "build-essential" |
| 10:56.52 | theorem | dli: thanks a lot |
| 10:57.02 | Coweater | make contains make, but you probably do want build-essential |
| 10:57.03 | theorem | dli: im going to try all that now |
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| 10:57.21 | dli | fourat, sorry, I was wrong |
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| 10:57.54 | freelancer | *grumbles* |
| 10:58.01 | fourat | it's not build-essential ? |
| 10:58.08 | dli | theorem, you need to find a way to install grub or syslinux |
| 10:58.30 | dli | theorem, you don't cp /dev /proc /sys, for sure |
| 10:58.37 | fourat | it's make |
| 10:58.38 | zrin | is there a way to get this simple exim4 config GUI after install? |
| 10:59.03 | zrin | I mean dialog config utility |
| 10:59.06 | dli | zrin, do you mean "dpkg-reconfigure exim4"? |
| 10:59.29 | zrin | dli: no, that does not do anything (?) |
| 10:59.43 | zrin | dli: I'm using 'testing' |
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| 11:03.19 | vin` | !drec zrin |
| 11:03.19 | dpkg | zrin: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 11:03.37 | zrin | vin`: that's it, thank you |
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| 11:04.52 | schippes | i have a problem on my debian box: i can see a samba share exported by the server from linux PCs on the local net, but NOT from win2k machines on the local net. Moreover, if I remove the default route to the ADSL modem on the debian server then i can mount the samba shares on the win2k machines without problems, Why do i need to remove the default route ? how can i fix this ? |
| 11:05.32 | schippes | i am sure no on ein the universe has seen a similar problem ;-) |
| 11:06.21 | zrin | schippes: did you check local routing and firewall(s)? |
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| 11:06.57 | sdschulze | Could someone verify this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg02207.html |
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| 11:08.04 | sdschulze | Downgrading to woody versions is not easy nowadays, but do you have anything like that in memory? |
| 11:08.24 | freelancer | that page loaded |
| 11:08.40 | schippes | zrin : no firewall problem (i have disabled firewalling but this is not responsible for troubles) .... what is different from mounting a samba share from linux and from windows.... i can mount (with smbclient) from linux but NOT from windows unless i remove the default route to the internet on the server... nmbd is running ... |
| 11:09.20 | liable | sdschulze: what are you after? how to downgrade to wooody? |
| 11:09.33 | zrin | schippes: there are two different (sub-)protocols and different ports that are used |
| 11:10.39 | schippes | zrin: actually what i do if i need to mount the share from windows is : 1) remove default route on server, 2) mount share on windows pc, 3) reactivate default route |
| 11:10.39 | zrin | schippes: it sounds to me that with your default route enabled, the response from the samba server is being sent to your adsl router |
| 11:11.02 | zrin | schippes: check broadcast settings |
| 11:11.16 | schippes | zrin> bcast settings on server pc ? |
| 11:11.29 | sdschulze | liable: No, I'm wondering if the investigation of the poster is true. |
| 11:11.55 | zrin | schippes: on the samba box; and try \\ip-of-samba-svr\share on the win2k client |
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| 11:13.12 | schippes | zrin: \\ip-of-samba-svr\share only works if default route removed; the ifconfig on server samba box reports a std 192.168.0.3 / 255.255.255.0 and bcast = 192.168.0.255 |
| 11:13.13 | zrin | schippes: find out if the win2k box just does not "see" the server or if it can not connect to it at all |
| 11:13.25 | rus | hi all |
| 11:13.32 | sdschulze | IIRC, Armagetron used to work in the past, while it doesn't right now. |
| 11:13.37 | rus | what is the russian channel for debian? |
| 11:13.39 | schippes | the client box sees the server only if i remove the gateway on server |
| 11:13.46 | zrin | schippes: and ipconfig on win2k? |
| 11:13.52 | schippes | wait.. |
| 11:14.19 | sdschulze | (It definitely worked on this gfx card, but with a faster processor.) |
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| 11:15.20 | schippes | ipconfig /all on client reports: IP=192.168.0.57, gw 192.168.0.1 (the adsl router) , netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:16.10 | vin` | rus: #debian-russian |
| 11:16.53 | schippes | :-( |
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| 11:17.48 | zrin | schippes: did you try to connect from the samba server to the win2k box? |
| 11:17.48 | schippes | i have already read all the samba.org documents and trouble cecklist, but this is not a known issue |
| 11:18.09 | rus | thx |
| 11:18.20 | freelancer | must be coffee time... |
| 11:18.36 | zrin | schippes: check samba config for "interfaces" settings |
| 11:18.38 | Gnea | it's beer o'clock! |
| 11:19.36 | freelancer | if I had some beer it sure would be beer o'clock |
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| 11:20.01 | schippes | zrin: interface lists eth0 lo and bind interfaces only is enabled |
| 11:20.16 | zrin | schippes: comment out both |
| 11:20.29 | schippes | zrin: i can mount the win2k disk from my samba box w smbclient |
| 11:20.36 | liable | Gnea: for breakfast? |
| 11:20.45 | zrin | schippes: strange... |
| 11:20.51 | Gnea | liable: for your mom. |
| 11:20.52 | schippes | ok will comment the lines and restart samba, wait... |
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| 11:21.12 | Gnea | liable: heh, i just got off of work |
| 11:21.29 | liable | ouch |
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| 11:22.22 | schippes | zrin: i had success, now i can mount the share from wintel machine |
| 11:22.29 | schippes | zrin : thank you !! |
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| 11:22.49 | schippes | zrin: my concern was to enable samba mounting only from my local net .... |
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| 11:23.22 | schippes | zrin : may be i can set some rules in firewall |
| 11:23.27 | schippes | to do the sam etask |
| 11:23.33 | fourat | anyone know how to reinstall a debian system using the dpkg --get-selections stdout to reinstall packages installed on another server ? |
| 11:23.41 | fourat | somewhat cloning servers |
| 11:24.16 | liable | fourat: /msg dpkg get selections |
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| 11:24.58 | fourat | ok thanks liable |
| 11:25.22 | fourat | it doesnt respond |
| 11:25.26 | liable | hrm |
| 11:25.57 | liable | !hi |
| 11:25.57 | dpkg | hello, liable |
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| 11:26.56 | liable | fourat: jut selections |
| 11:27.00 | liable | just |
| 11:27.14 | fourat | it works : |
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| 11:28.10 | pinky | I'm using the open source "nv" driver right now, and I loaded up an OpenGL source port for Quake 1 and it ran... |
| 11:28.28 | pinky | Albeit at 2-3 FPS... but I thought nv couldn't do hardware acceleration at all? |
| 11:28.41 | pinky | And that was the big issue when it came down to it |
| 11:28.55 | jonas23 | ok time to try again w. a nightly :) |
| 11:28.55 | Gnea | pinky: at 2-3FPS, it obviously can't. |
| 11:29.10 | Gnea | pinky: if it was HW accel, it would be 40+FPS |
| 11:29.25 | dli | pinky, nvidia is evil :( nv won't do any good |
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| 11:30.49 | woodland | hi, i have a question abt apt-get and aptitude |
| 11:31.08 | pinky | Yeah, I'm really angry about the proprietary graphics situation... but I guess I'm a bit confuse about rendering OpenGL |
| 11:31.36 | pinky | I thought that hardware acceleration is required to render 3D OpenGL stuff *at all* |
| 11:31.50 | dli | pinky, buy intel video next time, the only one recommended at fsf.org |
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| 11:32.26 | dli | pinky, I heard intel GMA950 (i945) is quite good |
| 11:32.31 | pinky | dli, yeah I really should... it's just that I like playing games so it's really rough |
| 11:32.37 | dli | pinky, and GPLed driver |
| 11:32.54 | woodland | when i use 'apt-get' to install something, it also installs dependencies. but when i use apt-get to remove that package, these dependencies are not removed. so i may have many unused files lying on my pc. what should i do |
| 11:33.07 | quitte | dli: do they exist as graphic cards or only onboard? |
| 11:33.33 | dli | quitte, to me, onboard is also "cards" :( |
| 11:33.46 | jonas23 | heh, that's not true |
| 11:33.52 | jonas23 | that's like saying "to me build in is also modules" |
| 11:34.00 | jonas23 | :) |
| 11:34.00 | quitte | dli: so you are screwed if you want amd64 |
| 11:34.05 | BMF | woodland, try deborphan |
| 11:34.13 | hmakholm | woodland: Consider using aptitude instead. It tracks packages that were installed only as dependencies. |
| 11:34.42 | llama32 | pinky: i can use 3D opengl here. its not exactly usable though [*incredibly* slow] so i guess you pretty much need hardware accel. odd how BeOS using VESA drivers could do some nice opengl demos at reasonable fps |
| 11:34.44 | dli | quitte, the good news is that intel has something better than AMD's 64 bit soon, in July |
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| 11:35.16 | quitte | dli: but then amd is the smaller company that i would rather want to support |
| 11:35.19 | jonas23 | does anyone know what it is exactly that is installed by the debian installer when you select "standard system" |
| 11:35.26 | woodland | hmakholm: i did try aptitude, but i does the same. it does not remove dependencies. i used command line. are there special options to do that |
| 11:35.40 | liable | woodland: start using aptitude, when you remove a package, it removes the automatically installed depends. (only if aptitude installed the package though) |
| 11:35.55 | pinky | llama32: I see... well I was just under the impression that hardware acceleration is necessary to do any 3D rendering at all. Guess not. |
| 11:35.56 | dli | quitte, yes, but if they just bind themselves to nvidia, I have no other choice |
| 11:35.58 | hmakholm | woodland: Thing that were _installed_ by raw apt at first cannot be recognized by aptitude as dependencies. |
| 11:36.19 | pinky | Quake 3 won't even load though =] |
| 11:36.24 | quitte | dli: what about sis and via chipsets? |
| 11:36.26 | hmakholm | woodland: But if aptitude _itself_ needs to install things as dependencies, it will remember them, and uninstall automatically once they are not needed. |
| 11:36.29 | liable | woodland: deborphan and debfoster are what you want to clean up. |
| 11:36.29 | dli | quitte, intel is also making GPLed driver for ipw3945 |
| 11:36.47 | valdyn | dli: uuh, that is very unprecise |
| 11:36.53 | llama32 | pinky: it's just that - acceleration. it speeds it up, but it is still possible in software. |
| 11:36.59 | valdyn | dli: considering you need to run a binary only daemon |
| 11:37.02 | woodland | hmakholm: i used aptitude to install as well as purge package, but it didnt seem to remove any depends |
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| 11:37.23 | dli | valdyn, they are making, I don't mean it's available yet |
| 11:37.26 | jonas23 | "the file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly" |
| 11:37.27 | hmakholm | woodland: Strange. Are you sure the depends in question were actually added by aptitude, and not already present? |
| 11:37.34 | pinky | llama32: I see, well I'm glad I know that now. by the way, is the open source "nv" driver capable of anything other than 60Hz refresh rate? |
| 11:37.35 | jonas23 | i've just about had it now |
| 11:37.41 | freelancer | ok! time to go on an uninstalling/ rm frenzy :} |
| 11:38.07 | pinky | It's running at 1600x1200x32 quite nicely, but this 60Hz is killing my eyes... I'd much rather have 85Hz |
| 11:38.31 | dli | pinky, buy a lcd, then, 60Hz is okay |
| 11:38.40 | woodland | hmakholm: ya, while installing aptitude says which NEW packages will be installed, |
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| 11:38.57 | goron | How can I connect to a Windows Share via some GUI program? |
| 11:39.01 | pinky | dli: I like my flat screen 21" CRT with .21mm dot pitch |
| 11:39.03 | freelancer | mmm 1600x1200 I'm running that on one of my machines.. |
| 11:39.04 | hmakholm | woodland: I've never seen it behave that way. |
| 11:39.15 | valdyn | goron: using konqueror or nautilus |
| 11:39.23 | hmakholm | woodland: In any case, for your immediate cleanup needs you probably want deborphan. |
| 11:39.24 | dli | pinky, just one suggestion :( |
| 11:39.36 | goron | valdyn: I tried both, but I can't make it work... |
| 11:39.37 | woodland | hmakholm: ok |
| 11:39.37 | pinky | dli: plus, an LCD that runs at 1600x1200 as a native resolution is waayy too expensive for me |
| 11:39.43 | valdyn | goron: why cant you |
| 11:39.55 | goron | valdyn: I don't know, I don't get any error messages. |
| 11:40.10 | valdyn | goron: what isnt working? |
| 11:40.13 | pinky | This monitor can actually do 2048 X 1536, but only at 60Hz |
| 11:40.20 | goron | valdyn: I verified that the machine indeed has E: shared. |
| 11:40.37 | goron | valdyn: I cannot see the shares. |
| 11:40.50 | Noboru | i run apt-cache show mysql-server,it says its 4.0,but when i apt-get install mysql-server,it tries to install mysql-server-5 |
| 11:40.53 | dli | pinky, not so expensive, if you consider the 2 million (almost) pixels have to make for 1600x1200 |
| 11:40.53 | pinky | Anyway, can the nv driver use anything other than 60Hz? Or do I need to install the proprietary nVidia drivers for that (I know those will let me go to 85Hz) |
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| 11:41.06 | Noboru | before this, i have only added a php5 backport in source.list |
| 11:41.10 | goron | valdyn: I will start nautilus in LANG=C mode... |
| 11:41.14 | valdyn | goron: type smb:/ in the adress bar, what happens? |
| 11:41.17 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 11:41.23 | dli | pinky, install nvidia, or throw the card away |
| 11:41.35 | pinky | dli: I know, but still not within my budget. LCDs are nice, but the technology of CRTs has been developed enough to the point where I can get a higher quality one for cheaper. |
| 11:41.48 | pinky | Haha, why do you say that? |
| 11:41.57 | pinky | nv works great, really |
| 11:41.58 | goron | valdyn: It get transformed to smb:/// |
| 11:42.06 | pinky | It's just the 60Hz bit that's killing me |
| 11:42.09 | goron | valdyn: And I see 0 items. |
| 11:42.16 | dli | pinky, can you play a movie with nv, and do fullscreen? |
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| 11:42.48 | valdyn | goron: type 'smbtree' in a shell |
| 11:42.52 | freelancer | my display unit was way cheaper than some of those lcd and has far higher resolutions than equivelant priced lcd |
| 11:43.41 | pinky | dli: Yes, that works fine |
| 11:43.45 | dli | freelancer, and better static or even x-ray |
| 11:44.06 | goron | valdyn: I first need to install that apparently. |
| 11:44.07 | pinky | dli: I'm playing a really high resolution video to check |
| 11:44.12 | dli | pinky, good, because nv can never play fullscreen movie for me |
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| 11:44.23 | NikosGr | hello say a good repos please |
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| 11:44.34 | NikosGr | that ahs stuff liek w32codecs and nvidia driverrs |
| 11:44.34 | pinky | dli: Oh no, that's horrible. Why do you think that is? What CPU do you have? |
| 11:44.56 | dli | pinky, p4-3.06-mobile |
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| 11:45.05 | freelancer | equivelant lcd of this was like $AUD800 or more |
| 11:45.06 | goron | valdyn: There's some menu Workplace, and there I can see the network servers. |
| 11:45.07 | Blissex | dli: thats quite right, it does not do XVideo accel. |
| 11:45.11 | freelancer | rip off really |
| 11:45.12 | valdyn | NikosGr: nvidia drivers are in debian, w32 are at '/msg dpkg marillat' |
| 11:45.17 | goron | valdyn: And I can see the shares now via konqueror. |
| 11:45.23 | valdyn | goron: fine |
| 11:45.28 | ranpha | is etch a good OS? i need a kernel 2.16.12 or higher and HAL 0.5.x |
| 11:45.31 | NikosGr | ist there a repository that has them all? |
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| 11:45.43 | dli | Blissex, that's with nv driver, with "nvidia", it's okay |
| 11:45.44 | pinky | Hmm, well I have an Opteron 146 at 2.0GHz with 1MB of L2 cache |
| 11:45.54 | llama32 | anyone know of some brainstorming software? |
| 11:45.54 | valdyn | NikosGr: eh? |
| 11:45.59 | Blissex | pinky: you are too lucky. |
| 11:46.03 | roxy_ | I got debian testing. How do I get the help file for Openoffice2 ? |
| 11:46.04 | valdyn | NikosGr: why the fuck? |
| 11:46.09 | pinky | Blissex: heh, why's that? |
| 11:46.10 | jonas23 | so I'm (still, after 3 days) having a problem where i can't install grub |
| 11:46.24 | goron | valdyn: And I even can add files, dirs. This has never worked before :) |
| 11:46.31 | valdyn | NikosGr: w32codecs cant be in debian, nvidia drivers can be in debian, so it has to be split |
| 11:46.33 | jonas23 | if i chroot to run just 'grub', i can install it, but it won't boot anything.. freezes loading stage2 |
| 11:46.38 | freelancer | running with an Asus radeon a9600xt |
| 11:46.51 | dli | jonas22, I would try lilo :) if grub is breaking down |
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| 11:46.55 | niklaus | i have netstat/systat port open, how do i view the output ? what command fetches data from those ports |
| 11:47.02 | jonas23 | that.. that doesn't help me :( |
| 11:47.44 | jonas23 | i get "lilo failed to install into /target" in any case |
| 11:48.05 | jonas23 | but, i don't want to use lilo, and my setup is not that complex that grub shouldn't work |
| 11:48.09 | dli | jonas22, what about grub-install? |
| 11:48.13 | NikosGr | so i need this deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 11:48.16 | jonas23 | grub-install fails saying ... |
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| 11:48.19 | jonas23 | "the file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly" |
| 11:48.21 | NikosGr | indise my sourced list |
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| 11:48.32 | jonas23 | which is ridiculous |
| 11:48.46 | ranpha | how unsafe / unstable is Etch??? |
| 11:48.49 | goron | valdyn: hmm... someone turning off the machine while you are copying files doesn't really help either.... |
| 11:49.00 | valdyn | goron: heh |
| 11:49.05 | jonas23 | i've looked all around in the bios |
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| 11:49.12 | Noboru | when Etch comes out ? |
| 11:49.15 | jonas23 | but there are almost no options for anything related to my drive |
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| 11:49.18 | jonas23 | etch comes out in december |
| 11:49.27 | Noboru | jonas22, in this year ? |
| 11:49.32 | jonas23 | yes |
| 11:49.36 | NikosGr | do i also need these repos folks? |
| 11:49.38 | dli | Noboru, haha |
| 11:49.42 | NikosGr | deb ftp://download.xs4all.nl/pub/mirror/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 11:49.42 | NikosGr | deb-src ftp://download.xs4all.nl/pub/mirror/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 11:49.44 | jonas23 | someone mentioned that they had to put their sata drives to some kind of "legacy" mode |
| 11:49.45 | Noboru | jonas22, i see,do you remember when sarge was out ? |
| 11:49.55 | jonas23 | sarge was out last summer |
| 11:50.02 | valdyn | NikosGr: that is just a debian mirror, you need that |
| 11:50.10 | jonas23 | last year june july area |
| 11:50.18 | Noboru | dli, why ?cuz its very normal for asking that about debian releases,i was told they could release a stable out after 2 years or so |
| 11:50.24 | NikosGr | valdyn, but i have another which is greek, so i need both? |
| 11:50.33 | NikosGr | i ahev this also:deb http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian/ stable main |
| 11:50.34 | valdyn | NikosGr: nope |
| 11:50.42 | NikosGr | wait |
| 11:50.46 | dli | Noboru, 3 years for sarge |
| 11:50.48 | NikosGr | which one will it be? :) |
| 11:50.49 | pinky | Where is the marlliat server located? |
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| 11:50.51 | nkuttler | Noboru: no one knows when etch will be released |
| 11:50.53 | Noboru | dli, oh |
| 11:50.54 | NikosGr | the greke one which is closer to me |
| 11:50.58 | nkuttler | !wir |
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| 11:50.59 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:50.59 | NikosGr | or the foreign one? |
| 11:51.00 | valdyn | NikosGr: just one debian mirror, as deb ... line, deb-src only if you want acess to sources |
| 11:51.16 | dli | Noboru, eventually, there's ubuntu |
| 11:51.23 | Noboru | I see |
| 11:51.25 | goron | valdyn: If I do smb:///<name of machine> in nautilus, then it works, but if I do just smb:/// it doesn't show that machine. Shouldn't that happen normally (i.e., scanning the network)? |
| 11:51.26 | valdyn | pinky: france |
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| 11:51.50 | valdyn | goron: nautilus smb support is not very good |
| 11:51.58 | NikosGr | valdyn, look |
| 11:52.03 | NikosGr | are these ok to have? |
| 11:52.05 | NikosGr | deb http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian/ stable main |
| 11:52.05 | NikosGr | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 11:52.05 | NikosGr | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
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| 11:52.06 | jonas23 | so anyway, back to me venting about my problems |
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| 11:52.12 | jonas23 | at first i was trying to install / onto a raid0 |
| 11:52.17 | jonas23 | but after a day of that failing |
| 11:52.21 | valdyn | NikosGr: yes |
| 11:52.22 | jonas23 | i decided to remove that as a source of error |
| 11:52.24 | NikosGr | ok |
| 11:52.31 | goron | valdyn: Ok, well, konquerors', is :) |
| 11:52.35 | NikosGr | will thay cover sme for mplayer and w32codeca nds ms fotns? |
| 11:52.45 | valdyn | NikosGr: you might want to add contrib non-free to your debian mirrors though |
| 11:52.49 | jonas23 | so now i'm simply installing to 1 sata disk |
| 11:52.51 | valdyn | NikosGr: and to security |
| 11:52.53 | jonas23 | with no other disks plugged in |
| 11:53.09 | valdyn | NikosGr: it wont, ms fonts are non-free |
| 11:53.18 | NikosGr | so as the lines are just add to the end contrib non-free ? |
| 11:53.31 | valdyn | NikosGr: right |
| 11:53.34 | NikosGr | right :) |
| 11:53.38 | Noboru | How come debian is so smart that when it tries to install mysql 4.0 it will always check if there are security update version of it from the officially debian apt database rather than directly grabbing the file form what i have specified in source.list which the fastest one to me ? |
| 11:54.15 | Noboru | i mean,its now downloading from security.debian but not from that fast site in my source.list |
| 11:54.20 | liable | Noboru: versions numbers, apt gets the latest |
| 11:54.28 | valdyn | Noboru: youre confused? apt-get will _only_ check repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and prefer that topmost |
| 11:54.34 | Space_Ace | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main gave me an "unable to connect" error |
| 11:54.46 | NikosGr | dell:~# dell:~# apt-get install w32codecs msttcorefonts mplayer |
| 11:54.46 | NikosGr | bash: dell:~#: command not found |
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| 11:55.03 | Noboru | liable, i see |
| 11:55.06 | valdyn | NikosGr: hah |
| 11:55.16 | valdyn | NikosGr: dell: isnt a command |
| 11:55.17 | Noboru | valdyn, really ? the order in that file does make different sense ? |
| 11:55.37 | valdyn | Noboru: yes, if the versions are identical from 2 sources, the topmost will be uised |
| 11:55.44 | NikosGr | a yes my mistake |
| 11:55.55 | Noboru | I see Thanks |
| 11:55.59 | NikosGr | mani it wont downlaod w32coced although i updates |
| 11:56.33 | freelancer | will be interesting to see what happens... |
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| 11:57.00 | NikosGr | iam gettin erros like |
| 11:57.02 | NikosGr | W: Couldn't stat source package list |
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| 11:57.08 | valdyn | NikosGr: run apt-get update |
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| 11:57.23 | martin_linuxtag | see mark shuttleworth now live at linuxtag http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/home/video/playlists.html |
| 11:57.27 | NikosGr | i did errors there as well |
| 11:57.28 | NikosGr | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_sarge_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 11:58.31 | NikosGr | see valdyn it wotn update :( |
| 11:58.57 | valdyn | NikosGr: you non-free and contrib shouldnt be at the marillat line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:59.22 | NikosGr | valdyn ima i show you my sources.list plz |
| 11:59.42 | NikosGr | how must it bet |
| 11:59.42 | yacoob | xorg in latest unstable broken? |
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| 11:59.45 | NikosGr | i have it like this |
| 11:59.49 | NikosGr | deb http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 11:59.49 | NikosGr | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:59.49 | NikosGr | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 12:00.02 | valdyn | NikosGr: remove the contrib and the non-free from the line containing marillat |
| 12:00.05 | freelancer | ooo, I uninstalled gnome, it didn't take all its files with it... |
| 12:00.06 | jonas23 | SO |
| 12:00.09 | jonas23 | i just got the error again |
| 12:00.16 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 12:00.17 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 12:00.27 | jonas23 | i'm losing track |
| 12:00.41 | jonas23 | has anyone seen this before? "the file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly." |
| 12:00.52 | jonas23 | google tells me that mostly foreigners have seen this |
| 12:00.54 | valdyn | jonas23: does that file exist in /boot ? |
| 12:01.15 | jonas23 | no, it exists in /boot/grub/ |
| 12:01.19 | NikosGr | valdyn, now ti works |
| 12:01.34 | NikosGr | can you pzl expalin me what is this contrib and non0free stuff? |
| 12:01.50 | dli | jonas22, http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_13.html |
| 12:01.56 | freelancer | hopefully if I remove all that and any other files there are that relate to it, hopefully then my problem wil be gone... |
| 12:02.27 | jonas23 | this isn't during booting, dli |
| 12:02.29 | jonas23 | it's during install |
| 12:02.32 | valdyn | jonas23: apt-get remove --purge grub && apt-get install grub |
| 12:02.37 | jonas23 | that.. |
| 12:02.42 | jonas23 | i don't have a system yet! |
| 12:03.00 | NikosGr | dell:~# apt-get install w32codecs msttcorefonts mplayer |
| 12:03.06 | NikosGr | iam stillg ettign errors |
| 12:03.11 | dli | jonas22, install your system first |
| 12:03.12 | jonas23 | i can do it through chrooting |
| 12:03.17 | jonas23 | dli, what the.. |
| 12:03.23 | jonas23 | how can i install it, without grub installing properly |
| 12:03.33 | valdyn | jonas23: from your chroot |
| 12:03.45 | valdyn | jonas23: you dont need grub at all to install a debian system |
| 12:03.47 | dli | jonas22, you can install from the current system |
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| 12:04.05 | jonas23 | there is no current system |
| 12:04.11 | jonas23 | btw, i did what you said |
| 12:04.13 | jonas23 | and it still fails |
| 12:04.28 | jonas23 | configuring grub-installer failed with error code 1 |
| 12:04.37 | raf256 | can I resize view in vcn client? |
| 12:04.37 | dli | jonas22, you can not install grub without installing the package first |
| 12:04.39 | jonas23 | the file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly |
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| 12:04.54 | raf256 | like if server is 1024x768 and client window is 800x600 I want the image to be scalled down |
| 12:04.59 | raf256 | vnc |
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| 12:05.16 | jonas23 | okay dli i don't know what you think i'm doing |
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| 12:05.30 | jonas23 | but your advice seems alien to me |
| 12:05.35 | valdyn | jonas23: ls -l /boot/grub/ |
| 12:05.49 | jonas23 | yeah |
| 12:06.06 | jonas23 | default, device.map, *_stage1_5, stage1, stage2 |
| 12:06.15 | jonas23 | all 644 |
| 12:06.18 | freelancer | I'm amazed at how much remails |
| 12:06.25 | freelancer | remails-remains |
| 12:06.29 | roxy_ | I am using testing, I want to install a package from unstable. I tried "aptitude install package/unstable" but it says package not found. Do I need to add unstable to source.list ? |
| 12:06.30 | jonas23 | there's 80 megs free on the partition |
| 12:06.37 | jonas23 | so it's not that installing it ran out of space |
| 12:06.37 | stray_ | raf256, you can start vncserver with the -geometry paramter (the man page has an example) |
| 12:06.47 | jonas23 | by the way, i'm in the netinst cd's shell |
| 12:06.48 | raf256 | neato |
| 12:06.53 | jonas23 | using chroot to do everything |
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| 12:07.26 | jonas23 | the file exists.. |
| 12:07.38 | jonas23 | i think grub-install is trying to read back from the mbr to make sure the install was successful? |
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| 12:08.03 | jonas23 | are there any utils to wash the mbr so i can start clean |
| 12:08.16 | liable | jonas23: have you tried purging grub then re-installing it? |
| 12:08.17 | valdyn | jonas23: that would be pointless |
| 12:08.30 | jonas23 | i just did that liable like 25 lines up |
| 12:08.36 | liable | right |
| 12:08.38 | freelancer | locate gnome | rm -rf, coments? |
| 12:08.48 | valdyn | freelancer: retarded idea |
| 12:08.59 | jonas23 | i've had this problem for days now |
| 12:09.02 | dli | jonas22, if you really want "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1" |
| 12:09.11 | valdyn | freelancer: dpkg told you how to remove gnome |
| 12:09.43 | jonas23 | at first i was installing / onto a raid0 |
| 12:09.50 | roxy_ | should I download the unstable package and use dpkg to install it on a testing system ? |
| 12:09.57 | freelancer | ahh *scrolls up...* |
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| 12:10.09 | valdyn | jonas23: you cant install grub on a raid |
| 12:10.10 | jonas23 | but the ratio of people offering to help to those who were saying that what i was doing was a "bad idea" was too low |
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| 12:10.21 | jonas23 | valdyn, yeah, i had /boot on a non raid of course |
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| 12:10.51 | jonas23 | but yeah i got sick of clarifying everything so now it's a really simple setup |
| 12:10.59 | liable | valdyn: i have it on a software raid 0, heard someone else say that too, but it works for me.. |
| 12:11.01 | jonas23 | 3 partitions: /boot, swap, / (in that order on disk) |
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| 12:13.22 | flosch | hi |
| 12:13.39 | jonas23 | i've tried playing in the bios to find something but there's nothing |
| 12:13.51 | jonas23 | someone yesterday said grub just wouldn't install until they put their drive into legacy mode |
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| 12:13.57 | liable | jonas23: have you even tried lilo? |
| 12:13.58 | valdyn | jonas23: which filesystem is /boot ? |
| 12:13.58 | jonas23 | but that's not an option in my bios |
| 12:14.55 | jonas23 | liable, not that using lilo would solve my problem of installing grub, but lilo seems to install okay |
| 12:14.57 | raf256 | hmm |
| 12:15.09 | roxy_ | On a testing system, is it better to install all Oo2 package from unstable, or just Oo2-help from unstable ? |
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| 12:15.12 | jonas23 | /boot is ext3 |
| 12:15.28 | liable | jonas23: why do you have to have grub? |
| 12:15.38 | jonas23 | why do i have to use linux |
| 12:15.40 | jonas23 | its a preference |
| 12:15.43 | jonas23 | an overwhelming one |
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| 12:15.58 | jonas23 | or: why do i have to use debian for that matter |
| 12:16.02 | jonas23 | same reason :) |
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| 12:17.35 | nixie | whats the name of a program that lets you automate user input on a shell? e.g. it will act as a keyboard/emulate a tty? |
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| 12:17.59 | valdyn | jonas23: have you tried the --stage2= option? |
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| 12:18.06 | jonas23 | valdyn, i haven't... |
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| 12:18.35 | jonas23 | i'm going to try real quick to get the system installed and boot it using lilo |
| 12:18.49 | jonas23 | if it doesn't work where would that leave me? |
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| 12:19.31 | valdyn | jonas23: your chroot has issues |
| 12:19.39 | valdyn | jonas23: like df not showing where what is mounted |
| 12:19.46 | jonas23 | no |
| 12:19.50 | valdyn | jonas23: grub can be confused by that |
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| 12:19.56 | jonas23 | er.. why do you say that? |
| 12:20.16 | valdyn | jonas23: just guessing |
| 12:20.21 | jonas23 | oh |
| 12:20.29 | jonas23 | well my chroot might but if it does it's the install cd's fault |
| 12:20.40 | jonas23 | plus that would simply break the install for everyone not just me |
| 12:21.40 | valdyn | jonas23: you dont know how the install cd would install grub by itself? |
| 12:22.16 | jonas23 | i don't? i know how it does it |
| 12:22.25 | jonas23 | it runs chroot /target grub-install "(hdo)" |
| 12:22.32 | jonas23 | and then it turns the screen red and tells me that failed :) |
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| 12:23.22 | NikosGr | E: Couldn't find package firefox |
| 12:23.23 | NikosGr | why? |
| 12:23.39 | blondie | because it's not called that |
| 12:23.41 | fourat | check your sources |
| 12:23.43 | valdyn | !tell NikosGr -about search |
| 12:23.44 | blondie | apt-cache search firefox |
| 12:23.49 | NikosGr | i did |
| 12:23.53 | valdyn | NikosGr: sarge has no package called firefox |
| 12:23.55 | NikosGr | it display alot of them |
| 12:24.00 | blondie | it's called mozilla-firefox ffs |
| 12:24.12 | roxy_ | NikosGr: and none of them are called firefox |
| 12:24.15 | NikosGr | too many resulkts for firefox |
| 12:24.16 | blondie | please learn to use apt-cache search |
| 12:24.20 | NikosGr | yes |
| 12:24.21 | blondie | USE LESS |
| 12:24.45 | fourat | use apt-cache search fire|grep firefox |
| 12:24.58 | roxy_ | blondie: you've got a second to help me ? |
| 12:24.59 | jonas23 | oh btw |
| 12:25.05 | blondie | perhaps |
| 12:25.07 | jonas23 | so i just ran another installation |
| 12:25.09 | jonas23 | and tried lilo |
| 12:25.22 | NikosGr | too mnay results even with grep |
| 12:25.33 | NikosGr | how does sarge call firefox? |
| 12:25.34 | jonas23 | NikosGr, use more |
| 12:25.46 | jonas23 | apt-cache search firefox |more |
| 12:25.56 | roxy_ | blondie: I have testing, I am using OpenOffice and need the help file that only existis in unstable. What is the best way to install ? |
| 12:26.05 | NikosGr | yes but all it displasy is packahes fro locale |
| 12:26.08 | jonas23 | so lilo installs itself |
| 12:26.11 | jonas23 | or so it says |
| 12:26.14 | blondie | roxy_: why are you asking me in particular? |
| 12:26.14 | jonas23 | but on boot i get |
| 12:26.21 | jonas23 | DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER |
| 12:26.28 | blondie | NikosGr: are you blind? |
| 12:26.40 | NikosGr | no |
| 12:26.46 | roxy_ | blondie: I have rephrase my question 5 times and noone answer. So just picked you :-) |
| 12:26.51 | blondie | 13:23:59 < blondie> it's called mozilla-firefox ffs |
| 12:27.12 | jonas23 | roxy_, apt pinning i guess |
| 12:27.14 | NikosGr | sorry there blondie |
| 12:27.21 | NikosGr | didtn see at all your response |
| 12:27.27 | blondie | NikosGr: but really, learn to use apt-cache search |
| 12:27.32 | blondie | (and grep and less) |
| 12:27.36 | NikosGr | yes i know it |
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| 12:28.25 | NikosGr | istn less like | more ? |
| 12:28.25 | blondie | no you don't, or you wouldn't be asking |
| 12:28.25 | roxy_ | blondie: I tried "aptitude install package/unstable" with package being OO-help but it says package not found |
| 12:28.25 | blondie | it's similar |
| 12:28.28 | blondie | roxy_: sorry I don't know |
| 12:28.30 | js_ | but less is better |
| 12:28.33 | blondie | I can't stand openoffice |
| 12:28.47 | Gnea | i prefer sitting when using openoffice |
| 12:28.49 | NikosGr | dell:~# apt-cache search mozilla-firefox-ffs |
| 12:28.54 | NikosGr | still cant find it |
| 12:29.01 | roxy_ | blondie: no problem. How do you open .ppt ? |
| 12:29.07 | blondie | SIGH!!!!!!! |
| 12:29.14 | blondie | roxy_: I don't |
| 12:29.17 | Gnea | roxy_: you don't, you use ms powerpoint |
| 12:29.27 | blondie | or i could use powerpoint if i really needed to |
| 12:29.46 | blondie | NikosGr: just mozilla-firefox |
| 12:29.47 | NikosGr | ic ant find firefox :( |
| 12:29.47 | Gnea | roxy_: openoffice is not a 100% replacement for ms office |
| 12:29.49 | roxy_ | blondie: :-) . I don't have ms at home. |
| 12:30.02 | blondie | well I do :P |
| 12:30.08 | jonas23 | roxy_ try apt pinning |
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| 12:30.26 | blondie | NikosGr: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 12:30.43 | NikosGr | is there a way to tell apt-cache that we watn to search a package by its description name if we dont know the exact packages name? |
| 12:30.47 | roxy_ | jonas23, blondie: thanks |
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| 12:31.01 | jonas23 | uh, i think google knows a lot more about pinning than i do |
| 12:31.04 | valdyn | NikosGr: why didnt you type 'apt-cache search firefox web browser' ? |
| 12:31.09 | jonas23 | but basically pin that package to unstable in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 12:31.13 | blondie | NikosGr: it searches more than by the name |
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| 12:31.23 | NikosGr | valdyn, i though that after search i ws to give the exact packages name |
| 12:31.41 | jonas23 | invalid compressed format (err=2) |
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| 12:31.48 | valdyn | NikosGr: that wouldnt be a search, would it? |
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| 12:31.58 | Gnea | NikosGr: gotta think outside the box sometimes |
| 12:32.06 | NikosGr | valdyn, i guess :) |
| 12:32.13 | NikosGr | yes |
| 12:32.24 | NikosGr | so after search iam just descrbing the package right |
| 12:32.30 | NikosGr | with every word that i see fit? |
| 12:32.39 | blondie | well don't be too verbose |
| 12:32.42 | Gnea | with one or more, sure |
| 12:32.44 | blondie | or you'll find nothing |
| 12:32.55 | Gnea | blondie: that might not be a bad thing |
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| 12:33.22 | NikosGr | dell:~# apt-cache search firefox web browser |
| 12:33.25 | NikosGr | this worked very well |
| 12:33.31 | NikosGr | it just displayed to me 2 packages only! |
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| 12:34.13 | petemc | 42 |
| 12:34.40 | petemc | aol! |
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| 12:34.42 | rohan | hi a;; |
| 12:34.47 | NikosGr | iam tryign the same with mysql but still i egt to many results |
| 12:34.59 | rohan | where can i learn, hwo to build debian packages in a chroot ? |
| 12:35.03 | jonas23 | NikosGr, use more |
| 12:35.08 | abrotman | apt-cache search mysql server ? |
| 12:35.12 | jonas23 | if you get too many results you'll just have to read through them |
| 12:35.16 | fourat | NikosGr, try to learn some apt abc's |
| 12:35.25 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 12:35.25 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 12:35.51 | jonas23 | NikosGr, "apt-cache search (term) |more" |
| 12:35.59 | NikosGr | apt-cache search apache web server |
| 12:36.17 | NikosGr | this supposde to return 2-3 resutls bu instead is giving me a huge list |
| 12:36.30 | jonas23 | no |
| 12:36.41 | DimGR_lap | NikosGr: install Windows |
| 12:36.49 | jonas23 | it's returning you all of the results for the search of each of those terms |
| 12:37.06 | rohan | DimGR_lap: thats not the best solution, you see |
| 12:37.15 | NikosGr | damn how does tomcat4-admin - Java Servlet engine -- admin web interfaces |
| 12:37.23 | DimGR_lap | rohan: for him it is |
| 12:37.24 | js_ | NikosGr: apt-cache search -n apache |
| 12:37.25 | DimGR_lap | trust me |
| 12:37.33 | NikosGr | is a result for dell:~# apt-cache search apache web browser |
| 12:37.36 | rohan | DimGR_lap: :) |
| 12:37.38 | js_ | NikosGr: that searches names, otherwise it searches more |
| 12:37.50 | NikosGr | js_, ? |
| 12:37.54 | Gnea | !tell NikosGr about newbie-guide |
| 12:38.06 | rohan | NikosGr: sudo apt-get install apache2 |
| 12:38.16 | abrotman | man apt-cache ? |
| 12:38.37 | NikosGr | ok that works rohan but how am i suppoosed to know to search apache as apache 2? |
| 12:39.02 | Gnea | NikosGr: how do you know that a shoe goes on your foot? |
| 12:39.04 | Daishi | how do i get a list of valid keysyms? |
| 12:39.06 | rohan | NikosGr: well, apt-cache search FOO | less .. or better still, use synaptic |
| 12:39.11 | jonas23 | NikosGr, listen to the words coming out of my mouth |
| 12:39.16 | Daishi | the man page for xmodmap doesnt seem to be helping |
| 12:39.26 | jonas23 | "apt-cache search apache web server" returns you the result for anything matching any of those terms |
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| 12:39.37 | rohan | NikosGr: seriously, synaptic will do you good :) |
| 12:39.42 | Gnea | !tell NikosGr about newbiedoc |
| 12:39.47 | rohan | NikosGr: are you a gnome user ? or kde ? |
| 12:39.53 | rohan | Gnea: did you not already do it once ? |
| 12:39.55 | Gnea | NikosGr: just apt-get install synaptic already |
| 12:40.12 | NikosGr | jognome |
| 12:40.13 | Gnea | rohan: read carefully.... newbie-guide and newbiedoc are different |
| 12:40.20 | NikosGr | jonas22, thank you man now i got it |
| 12:40.27 | rohan | Gnea: oops, sorry, my mistake |
| 12:40.33 | jonas23 | np |
| 12:40.34 | NikosGr | it just displasy packages that has evne 1 of my terms |
| 12:40.34 | Gnea | !beer rohan |
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| 12:40.39 | NikosGr | not all my terms together |
| 12:40.52 | abrotman | use better terms |
| 12:40.57 | rohan | Gnea, dpkg : thanks buddies ;) |
| 12:41.00 | jonas23 | if you want to string your terms its easier to just use grep |
| 12:41.06 | jonas23 | apt-cache search apache |grep web |grep server |
| 12:41.07 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:41.10 | rohan | Gnea: does dpkg server Bloody Mary too ? |
| 12:41.15 | rohan | !bloody mary rohan |
| 12:41.23 | rohan | ouch |
| 12:41.45 | Gnea | rohan: only if you submit to dpkg's deepest desires ;) |
| 12:42.06 | rohan | :) |
| 12:42.10 | NikosGr | thank you very much jonas22 |
| 12:42.12 | NikosGr | apt-cache search apache |grep web |grep server |
| 12:42.20 | NikosGr | indeed this is very very handy |
| 12:42.32 | Gnea | (and retarded) |
| 12:42.58 | jonas23 | q&d |
| 12:42.58 | Daishi | heh |
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| 12:43.12 | Gnea | NikosGr: i'm curious, can you read what i'm saying? have you visited any of the websites that dpkg has told you about? |
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| 12:43.21 | NikosGr | gnea ima now |
| 12:44.01 | jonas23 | now i get |
| 12:44.10 | jonas23 | "uncomressing linux..." crc error -- system halted |
| 12:44.19 | jonas23 | there is seriously something screwed up here |
| 12:44.23 | _rares_ | in virtualmin how does Wildcard for additional allowed MySQL databases work? |
| 12:44.29 | Gnea | jonas23: what did you do? |
| 12:44.38 | NikosGr | jonas i wonder if isnead of the grep strip |
| 12:44.42 | rohan | jonas23: remove the pkg from /var/cache/apt/archives and redownload ? |
| 12:44.49 | jonas23 | rohan, what? |
| 12:44.52 | jonas23 | i don't have a system |
| 12:44.55 | jonas23 | my system won't boot and never has |
| 12:45.00 | jonas23 | grub refuses to install |
| 12:45.06 | rohan | oh, its a grub problem |
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| 12:45.07 | jonas23 | and lilo doesn't work although it installs without complaints |
| 12:45.11 | jonas23 | no its a lilo problem |
| 12:45.23 | jonas23 | because people were tired of my grub questions so i thought i'd indulge them |
| 12:45.23 | Gnea | !pebkac |
| 12:45.23 | dpkg | well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 12:45.25 | rohan | jonas23: do other distros work ? |
| 12:45.35 | jonas23 | i don't know.. i don't want to use other distros |
| 12:45.35 | NikosGr | apt-cache search apache && web && server |
| 12:45.37 | jonas23 | but i'm about to try |
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| 12:46.06 | jonas23 | Gnea, you mean me? |
| 12:46.11 | rohan | jonas23: i had the same problem with grub on slackware .. solution : remove all vmlinuz'es from /boot and reinstall the kernel |
| 12:46.24 | jonas23 | rohan, i've reinstalled the kernel from 3 different netinst cds |
| 12:46.27 | jonas23 | about 15 times |
| 12:46.29 | tobzter | where can i configure syslogd to listen for incoming connections? |
| 12:46.32 | jonas23 | on 2 different hard drives |
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| 12:46.36 | Gnea | jonas23: no, your mom... yes you, what system is that? |
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| 12:46.51 | jonas23 | Gnea, what system is what? |
| 12:46.53 | jonas23 | you're saying i'm the problem? |
| 12:47.08 | rohan | lol, Gnea |
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| 12:47.15 | jonas23 | you don't even know anything about my problems, why would you think that |
| 12:47.20 | rohan | jonas23: ok, somehting is seriously screwed up here ;) |
| 12:47.29 | jonas23 | then people get all offended when they say that linux users are pugnacious :) |
| 12:47.36 | jonas23 | rohan, i agree :( |
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| 12:47.47 | jonas23 | i'm starting to suspect that it is something i cannot fix |
| 12:47.55 | Gnea | jonas23: please, ignore my sarcasm and can the negativity - what *hardware* is the system you're having boot problems on? |
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| 12:48.27 | jonas23 | after 3 days of failed installs i'm afraid i'm a little short on patience, sorry :( |
| 12:48.38 | Thanatermesis | when i "ls -la", what is the number of the 2º column ? |
| 12:48.48 | rohan | jonas23: try other distros, if they work, come back and harass here again ;) |
| 12:48.50 | jonas23 | trying to boot off of a solitary sata drive |
| 12:48.53 | Gnea | then you need to get away from any and all computers and go make a pizza |
| 12:49.06 | Noboru | I installed php5 ,but i dont find a mysql.so in php.ini to enable mysql support,how come ? |
| 12:49.16 | rohan | Thanatermesis: no. of files in the directory, is my guess |
| 12:49.21 | jonas23 | that's not very helpful |
| 12:49.28 | jonas23 | but i've come to expect such advice :( |
| 12:49.37 | NikosGr | in ubuntu i had very ncie themes |
| 12:49.43 | jonas23 | "I'm having trouble doing X!" "You shouldn't do X it's a bad idea, do Y" :P |
| 12:49.44 | Noboru | In /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ,there doesn't have a mysql.so |
| 12:49.44 | rohan | NikosGr: ouch |
| 12:49.44 | Gnea | jonas23: then perhaps you should start following it. |
| 12:49.52 | NikosGr | apt-get install gnome-themes to get that in sarge? |
| 12:50.01 | rohan | NikosGr: hang on, cos everyones gonna screw u for mentioning ubuntu |
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| 12:50.42 | rohan | NikosGr: see, in debian, the philosophy is "distribute as plain as possible, as upstream looking as possible" debian wont change themes, cursors .. max they will set a wallpaper |
| 12:50.52 | jonas23 | what is making a pizza going to do |
| 12:50.58 | Thanatermesis | aha, thx |
| 12:51.06 | jonas23 | forget it :( i don't want to pursue that |
| 12:51.10 | rohan | Thanatermesis: well, i think i am wrong already :( |
| 12:51.12 | Gnea | jonas23: btw, we don't care for bad attitudes here. i am making a real attempt to help you out here, and you're just battling me in the process. i do not appreciate it. |
| 12:51.13 | jonas23 | anyway i've changed target disks |
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| 12:51.20 | rohan | Thanatermesis: btw, your elive cds as always are great ! |
| 12:51.25 | abrotman | Gnea: piss off! |
| 12:51.26 | jonas23 | Gnea, so far you've said i am a problem and told me to go make a pizza |
| 12:51.27 | Thanatermesis | yes, aparently are for the "directories" rohan, (+ . and ..) |
| 12:51.32 | Thanatermesis | thanks rohan :) |
| 12:51.38 | dooglus | Thanatermesis: the 2nd column is the number of links a file has, or the number of entries a directory has |
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| 12:52.01 | jonas23 | but, okay, target hardware is an asus a8n-e and a single wd raptor (36g version) |
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| 12:52.03 | jonas23 | i have 2 raptors |
| 12:52.07 | jonas23 | and i've tried and failed to install to both |
| 12:52.08 | Gnea | jonas23: you obviously missed the part when i said i was being sarcastic. if you want to be respected, you need to earn that respect. |
| 12:52.18 | Gnea | THANK YOU |
| 12:52.18 | abrotman | the actual drive doesn't matter |
| 12:52.22 | Gnea | that's all i was asking for |
| 12:52.28 | rohan | really, Gnea , does jonas23 deserve all that bashing of yours ? :P |
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| 12:52.49 | Thanatermesis | dooglus "entries" = directories ? |
| 12:52.54 | aarchie | Whenever I open an mp3 in Konqueror by double clicking on it the file is copied to /home/<user>/ before being opened in Noatun. I have a freshly installed copy of testing (etch). Can anyone advise on stopping this copy? |
| 12:53.14 | Gnea | rohan: if he considers it 'bashing', then he's got no idea what's on the way :P |
| 12:53.22 | abrotman | rohan: if i give it back .. will you go buy my car today? |
| 12:53.38 | rohan | abrotman: which model is it ? :P |
| 12:53.42 | dooglus | Thanatermesis: oh, I don't know. it looks that way though doesn't it. |
| 12:53.53 | Gnea | jonas23: ok - now what debian cds have you booted it with? |
| 12:53.57 | abrotman | rohan: as of yet .. undecided .. Honda Civic or Scion tC or VW GTI |
| 12:54.17 | dooglus | Thanatermesis: I wonder if it's documented anywhere |
| 12:54.21 | jonas23 | 3 different etch cds.. the current from the site, the nightly from last night, and one from last year some time |
| 12:54.28 | jonas23 | etch netinst |
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| 12:54.50 | R-Ratones | Thanatermesis, directories + . + .. |
| 12:54.51 | Gnea | jonas23: okay, are you aware of what etch *is*? |
| 12:54.54 | jonas23 | the one from last year worked on another sata machine elsewhere |
| 12:55.00 | jonas23 | yes, i know what etch is |
| 12:55.02 | NikosGr | chat.google.com is for google chat? |
| 12:55.25 | Gnea | then you also know that this sort of behavior is to be expected, right? |
| 12:55.33 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 12:55.33 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. or see <custom netinst> |
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| 12:55.40 | DimGR_lap | HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 12:55.43 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 12:55.54 | jonas23 | so.. that's the answer then? |
| 12:56.00 | Gnea | jonas23: now, will a sarge netinstaller work on it? |
| 12:56.07 | jonas23 | i don't know.. i think i have one lying around |
| 12:56.13 | Gnea | ok cool |
| 12:56.13 | abrotman | jonas23: did you check the "InstallerToday" thingie? |
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| 12:56.24 | jonas23 | abrotman, i don't know what that is.. |
| 12:56.34 | jonas23 | someone last night wouldn't listen to me until i used a current nightly snapshot installer |
| 12:56.36 | rohan | abrotman: :D i can give you my maruti 800, thats all :P |
| 12:56.37 | Gnea | jonas23: you should try installing that and see if grub and lilo still don't work - if they do, then the problem is obviously with etch |
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| 12:56.46 | abrotman | and did you use a daily or a beta2? |
| 12:56.47 | dooglus | R-Ratones: . and .. *are* directories, aren't they? |
| 12:56.50 | ootput | i'm interested in accessing an svn repo that I created while logged onto a university shell account. Do i need root privileges at the uni in order to allow connections from home to my uni svn repo? |
| 12:56.51 | abrotman | rohan: eh .. is that canadian? |
| 12:56.52 | jonas23 | i used both, abrotman |
| 12:56.55 | jonas23 | they both failed in the same way |
| 12:56.56 | ootput | the folks at #svn appear to be inactive |
| 12:56.59 | Gnea | jonas23: afterwards, you should simply aptitude upgrade to etch |
| 12:57.03 | jonas23 | by the way |
| 12:57.04 | rohan | jonas23: seriously .. try another distro. to rule out hardware problems |
| 12:57.06 | rohan | abrotman: indian |
| 12:57.06 | jonas23 | the reason i was using etch installer |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 12:57.14 | jonas23 | is because originally i was putting / onto a raid0 |
| 12:57.26 | jonas23 | (with /boot not on a raid volume, of course) |
| 12:57.28 | alapzaj | how can i change the postfix queue directory? |
| 12:57.34 | abrotman | ask #postfix |
| 12:57.41 | Gnea | well not everyone uses a raid0 |
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| 12:57.48 | abrotman | and noone should :) |
| 12:57.54 | Gnea | hehe |
| 12:57.58 | jonas23 | well, that's the kind of helpful advice i was flooded with |
| 12:58.02 | jonas23 | so i decided to ditch the raid0 |
| 12:58.05 | jonas23 | to take the attention off of it |
| 12:58.10 | jonas23 | because that wasn't the problem :) |
| 12:58.11 | Gnea | ok |
| 12:58.17 | jonas23 | i'll try a sarge cd |
| 12:58.18 | jonas23 | i think i have one |
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| 12:58.33 | abrotman | the a8n uses Sil3112 doesn't it ? |
| 12:58.42 | NikosGr | its bad that netinsyall comes with kernel 2.2.27 instead of 2.6.17 |
| 12:58.43 | Gnea | good, do that - and make sure to use the linux26 installer |
| 12:58.44 | abrotman | or 3114 .. whichever it is |
| 12:58.55 | abrotman | asus or abit a8n-e ? |
| 12:59.00 | jonas23 | asus |
| 12:59.04 | abrotman | is it amd64? |
| 12:59.07 | jonas23 | yes |
| 12:59.12 | kenis | ai |
| 12:59.18 | Gnea | NikosGr: sarge comes with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
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| 12:59.22 | jonas23 | but i'm installing i386.. is that no good? |
| 12:59.29 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 12:59.31 | NikosGr | what!?!? |
| 12:59.40 | abrotman | i'm just checking the controller |
| 12:59.41 | jonas23 | i figured i'd have less problems (HEH) |
| 12:59.42 | NikosGr | and hwo come it installed 2.6.8? |
| 12:59.44 | jonas23 | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:59.46 | Gnea | NikosGr: that's right. |
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| 13:00.01 | Gnea | NikosGr: where did you see 2.2.27?/ |
| 13:00.12 | NikosGr | dell:~# uname -a |
| 13:00.12 | NikosGr | Linux dell 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:00.14 | aarchie | Whenever I open an mp3 in Konqueror by double clicking on it the file is copied to /home/<user>/ before being opened in Noatun. I have a freshly installed copy of testing (etch). Can anyone advise on stopping the copy stage from happening? |
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| 13:00.21 | rohan | NikosGr: if you want newer kernels, use debian sid |
| 13:00.22 | Gnea | i don't see 2.2.27 |
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| 13:00.49 | rohan | aarchie: you are using a kioslave media:/ .. go directly to the directory .. like /mnt/hdX and play it |
| 13:01.03 | NikosGr | is it easy now to go to the newste kernel |
| 13:01.14 | NikosGr | or i will have problems nto that i ahve apt-geted stuff? |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | jonas23: have you tried a liveCD at all? |
| 13:01.29 | Gnea | NikosGr: there is a process for that... |
| 13:01.31 | rohan | NikosGr: i am sure you dont want to use sid, and older kernels are not really a problem |
| 13:01.40 | rohan | !give NikosGr custom kernel |
| 13:01.43 | Gnea | NikosGr: indeed, sid is not for you. |
| 13:01.45 | rohan | eh |
| 13:01.46 | jonas23 | i've booted into a gentoo live cd |
| 13:01.52 | rohan | !tell NikosGr about custom kernel |
| 13:01.54 | jonas23 | to attempt to chroot to fix my debian install |
| 13:01.59 | Gnea | cool |
| 13:02.03 | aarchie | rohan: you are quite right. I have browsed in through media:/.. is this expected behaviour when browsing local drives in that way? |
| 13:02.07 | jonas23 | but chrooting onto the debian install was just segfaulting |
| 13:02.18 | NikosGr | ok sid its not for me bu iu want the latest kernel |
| 13:02.21 | abrotman | jonas23: seems old enough that it should work .. regardless of which controller .. |
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| 13:02.36 | Gnea | NikosGr: but do you NEED the latest kernel? |
| 13:02.36 | jonas23 | abrotman, yeah.. plus sil3114 is supported now anyway |
| 13:02.41 | jonas23 | but i don't know what controller this has |
| 13:02.45 | jonas23 | the bios does not have a 'legacy' option |
| 13:02.58 | jonas23 | someone last night said they had a similar problem that they fixed by changing something on the sata controller to legacy |
| 13:03.04 | abrotman | if you boot a livecd .. try lspci |
| 13:03.08 | NikosGr | Gnea, i dotn know myebe it has soem new feauture sliek auto detecting more stuff |
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| 13:03.14 | jonas23 | i will do that if sarge fails |
| 13:03.30 | Gnea | NikosGr: it does not. |
| 13:03.48 | jonas23 | sarge is hanging on "loading module 'ide-disk'" |
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| 13:03.59 | unity | is there a way to read pdfs on the command line, or in a screen session? someone told me about pdf2ascii but i have not found that anywhere in the repos of sarge |
| 13:04.06 | Gnea | jonas23: what happens if you alt-f2 and dmesg? |
| 13:04.13 | NikosGr | so what th benefit of the latest kernel? |
| 13:04.18 | jonas23 | hdi lost interrupt |
| 13:04.23 | Gnea | ouch |
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| 13:04.30 | Gnea | jonas23: using which kernel? |
| 13:04.53 | rohan | NikosGr: yes, really ,no need for new kernel, if everything is fine |
| 13:04.55 | jonas23 | hmm, weird, 2.4.27 |
| 13:05.03 | jonas23 | maybe this is a pre-release sarge cd |
| 13:05.03 | rohan | else you can use kp, NikosGr |
| 13:05.07 | rohan | !tell NikosGr about kp |
| 13:05.10 | rohan | !tell NikosGr about kp-mantra |
| 13:05.10 | Gnea | NikosGr: supports more hardware, but 2.6.8 should be good enough for now |
| 13:05.29 | Gnea | jonas23: try booting like this: boot: linux26<enter> |
| 13:05.33 | jonas23 | yeah |
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| 13:05.38 | jonas23 | will do in a sec |
| 13:05.46 | jonas23 | my hardware raid card takes a while to do its little dance |
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| 13:05.59 | jonas23 | (i'm not using it for anything right now in case your wondering) |
| 13:06.00 | Gnea | 2.4 doens't support newer hardware as well as 2.6 does |
| 13:06.00 | `disturbed` | zm |
| 13:06.06 | NikosGr | Gnea, but i dotn have 2.6.8 i ahve 2.4.27 instead |
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| 13:06.14 | Gnea | NikosGr: why not? |
| 13:06.26 | NikosGr | Linux dell 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:06.28 | jonas23 | okay it just loaded sata_nv |
| 13:06.34 | jonas23 | i guess that's my controller.. sounds like it |
| 13:06.37 | NikosGr | netinstall installes the old one for me |
| 13:06.40 | jonas23 | it's got an nforce4 chipset on this |
| 13:06.41 | NikosGr | i dotn know why |
| 13:06.56 | jonas23 | sarge doesn't detect an ethernet card :( |
| 13:07.09 | `disturbed` | does anyone here knows how to run zoneminder in debian? |
| 13:07.16 | eide | does anyone know of a howto for getting the jack sound system working? |
| 13:07.18 | Gnea | NikosGr: ok, then this is what you need to do: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 13:07.35 | Gnea | !jack |
| 13:07.36 | dpkg | jack is probably http://jackit.sf.net/, or http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/, or a low latency audio server, or a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything.... |
| 13:07.54 | NikosGr | Gnea, and it all be doen automaic for me? |
| 13:08.07 | NikosGr | Gnea, and it all be done automatic for me? |
| 13:08.08 | jonas23 | i'm starting to think its a hardware issue |
| 13:08.08 | Gnea | NikosGr: nothing is 100% automatic in linux |
| 13:08.15 | jonas23 | on the controller |
| 13:08.23 | NikosGr | well if i execute thsi apt then i will ahev the new kernel ? |
| 13:08.23 | Gnea | jonas23: again, try 2.6 |
| 13:08.28 | jonas23 | i'm trying 2.6 now |
| 13:08.39 | Gnea | NikosGr: you will need to reboot in order to get to it |
| 13:08.53 | NikosGr | 2.6.8 is the latest there is? |
| 13:08.59 | eide | Gnea: what are you trying to say? |
| 13:08.59 | Gnea | in sarge, yes |
| 13:09.08 | NikosGr | in general no? |
| 13:09.15 | NikosGr | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6 |
| 13:09.39 | Gnea | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 ? |
| 13:09.54 | jonas23 | okay so sarge failed |
| 13:09.59 | Gnea | eide: i'm saying that perhaps google will know the answer |
| 13:10.04 | bengrubb | apt-get upgrade |
| 13:10.13 | NikosGr | that might work bu it will not be the latest kernel |
| 13:10.14 | eide | Gnea: it doesn't |
| 13:10.20 | Gnea | eide: how do you know? |
| 13:10.20 | jonas23 | it actually doesn't even tell me why this time |
| 13:10.30 | eide | Gnea: what do you think |
| 13:10.34 | jonas23 | just "error: Running 'grub-install --rechec --no-floppy "(hd0)"' failed |
| 13:10.39 | jonas23 | but not why it failed |
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| 13:10.48 | Gnea | eide: i think you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 13:10.53 | Gnea | !google jack howto |
| 13:11.02 | dpkg | Google says jack howto is at http://lau.linuxaudio.org/jack/ or http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2003-April/001641.html or http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2003-April/001610.html or http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2003-April/001646.html or http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2003-April/001653.html |
| 13:11.04 | maxxle | I want to run an external command from within vim. How is this done? |
| 13:11.17 | eide | Gnea: 2003. Exactly |
| 13:11.26 | Senilix | maxxle: :! |
| 13:11.38 | jonas23 | so Gnea grub failed to install in sarge |
| 13:11.40 | NikosGr | Gnea, this is what i need? kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 13:11.41 | Gnea | eide: it's 2006, get with the program. |
| 13:11.42 | R-Ratones | :!killall vim |
| 13:11.58 | maxxle | Senilix: thx |
| 13:12.03 | Gnea | NikosGr: what CPU do you have? |
| 13:12.03 | Noboru | Can anyone help me with enabling mysql support in php ? |
| 13:12.08 | jonas23 | but, again, lilo decided things were okay |
| 13:12.11 | NikosGr | Gnea, p4 1,8 |
| 13:12.18 | Gnea | NikosGr: yes, that will do |
| 13:12.19 | eide | Gnea: the latest howtos I can find are for woody and sarge. It's useless |
| 13:12.25 | Akbar | Noboru, which version of php? |
| 13:12.29 | Gnea | eide: and you're running...? |
| 13:12.35 | eide | etch |
| 13:12.49 | Gnea | eide: and the difference there being...? |
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| 13:12.57 | jonas23 | lets try to load linux |
| 13:12.59 | NikosGr | or perhaps this si betetr? |
| 13:12.59 | NikosGr | install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 13:13.00 | NikosGr | ? |
| 13:13.07 | jonas23 | crc error FAILED |
| 13:13.08 | NikosGr | which of the 2? |
| 13:13.12 | eide | i don't know. It doesn't work. That's the only difference I care about |
| 13:13.13 | Akbar | Noboru, apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 13:13.14 | jonas23 | okay sarge doesn't work either |
| 13:13.15 | Gnea | NikosGr: try this: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 13:13.17 | dushy | hello all :) |
| 13:13.22 | Noboru | Akbar, 5.1.4-1 |
| 13:13.26 | NikosGr | why this and not the other? |
| 13:13.27 | Akbar | Noboru, apt-get install php5-mysql |
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| 13:13.40 | Akbar | done :P |
| 13:13.50 | Curtman | How do I stop services from running at startup permanently? (So that they won't go back after I apt-get upgrade) |
| 13:13.52 | Gnea | !doesn't work |
| 13:13.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:14.08 | jonas23 | ... |
| 13:14.09 | Noboru | Akbar, :) |
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| 13:14.15 | Akbar | debian rocks :P |
| 13:14.18 | Gnea | eide: are you using OSS or ALSA? |
| 13:14.22 | jonas23 | sarge exibits the same previously identified behavior of not booting that etch did |
| 13:14.23 | eide | Gnea: alsa |
| 13:14.34 | eide | Gnea: jack says: unknown driver: alsa |
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| 13:14.45 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 13:14.50 | Gnea | eide: then install the alsa driver FOR jack |
| 13:14.52 | rudolph | hi |
| 13:14.55 | NikosGr | Gnea, ? |
| 13:15.06 | Gnea | NikosGr: ?! |
| 13:15.09 | elvirolo | could anyone tell me what package contains the Xorg 7.0 includes in sid ? |
| 13:15.17 | NikosGr | why this and not the other? |
| 13:15.17 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 13:15.17 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 13:15.31 | NikosGr | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 13:15.31 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.34 | NikosGr | and why? |
| 13:15.37 | Noboru | Akbar, by the way,this action will no reinstall php5 again ? |
| 13:15.39 | NikosGr | sorry |
| 13:15.40 | Akbar | when will etch release? |
| 13:15.45 | Noboru | will not* |
| 13:15.47 | jonas23 | Akbar, december |
| 13:15.49 | eide | Gnea: alsaplayer-jack? I already have it |
| 13:15.57 | Gnea | NikosGr: 686 - because the p4 is 686-based |
| 13:15.59 | rudolph | i want to compress all jpegs of a folder, does anybody know a tool? |
| 13:16.02 | NikosGr | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 or kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 13:16.03 | Gnea | eide: no, look closer |
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| 13:16.16 | Akbar | Noboru, no it will just install the module to use php and mysql |
| 13:16.23 | elvirolo | Gnea: i've already read it, and it doesn't help in my case |
| 13:16.24 | Akbar | *with |
| 13:16.25 | Noboru | ok |
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| 13:17.09 | Noboru | Akbar, im meeting a big problem now |
| 13:17.16 | Akbar | hmm? |
| 13:17.22 | Noboru | Akbar, i mean,i first installed apache22 |
| 13:17.24 | Gnea | elvirolo: who are you and what are you talking about? |
| 13:17.27 | Akbar | yeah |
| 13:17.35 | Akbar | apache2 |
| 13:17.36 | Noboru | Akbar, then i added a backport to grab php5 for sarge |
| 13:17.44 | Akbar | yeah |
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| 13:17.49 | Noboru | Akbar, after that,i changed it back to grab mysql4 |
| 13:17.50 | freelancer | !aptitude |
| 13:17.50 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 13:18.05 | Noboru | Akbar, so now when im doing what you told me to,it tries to install mysql5-common ? |
| 13:18.20 | raf256 | !bug |
| 13:18.20 | dpkg | bug is probably bad news |
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| 13:18.25 | jonas23 | so i guess i should be assuming a hardware issue at this point |
| 13:18.29 | raf256 | !bug 299009 |
| 13:18.29 | dpkg | bug 299009 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299009 |
| 13:18.31 | ludde | How can I use "tc" and "ipfilter" to setup that all outgoing HTTP traffic is shaped to 1megabit/s (i.e. source port=80). I want no other traffic to be affected. |
| 13:18.44 | Gnea | eide: incidentally, what packages have you installed so far for all of this? |
| 13:18.50 | Akbar | uhh.. wait which version of mysql do you have installed? |
| 13:18.51 | Gnea | !dbug 299009 |
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| 13:18.58 | freelancer | hrmm |
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| 13:19.14 | Curtman | rudolph: Compress how? jpg is already compressed |
| 13:19.14 | Noboru | Akbar, mysql 4.x |
| 13:19.22 | eide | Gnea: apt-cache search jack | grep jack |
| 13:19.23 | Noboru | Akbar, oops, mysql 4.0.x |
| 13:19.28 | NikosGr | that will give nice gnome gui? apt-get install gnome-themes nome-themes-extras |
| 13:19.28 | Akbar | alright |
| 13:19.40 | Gnea | eide: ALL of those? |
| 13:19.41 | Akbar | how did you set up your backports? |
| 13:19.46 | Akbar | /etc/preferences? |
| 13:19.50 | eide | Gnea: except the wine one |
| 13:19.59 | rudolph | yes but you can change the quality |
| 13:20.05 | eide | Gnea: and the cd-ripper |
| 13:20.23 | Noboru | Akbar, i added those 2 backports to grab php5 which is not availble in sarge by far --> deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 13:20.24 | Noboru | deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 13:20.32 | Gnea | eide: ok, let's start with jackd - what happens if you type jackd on its own? |
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| 13:20.44 | NikosGr | that will give nice gnome gui? apt-get install gnome-themes nome-themes-extras |
| 13:20.48 | eide | Gnea: usage |
| 13:20.57 | Ronin | NikosGr: will what give you that? a new kernel? |
| 13:21.00 | Akbar | did you add those backport sources in your preferences? |
| 13:21.02 | Gnea | eide: great! now you know you're using alsa, so tell it to use alsa |
| 13:21.06 | NikosGr | no a ncie gnome gui :) |
| 13:21.06 | Noboru | Akbar, by far my apache2.054 + php 5.1.4 + mysql 4.0 work fine |
| 13:21.16 | Ronin | NikosGr: then you install gnome |
| 13:21.20 | Akbar | you can pin your sources |
| 13:21.21 | Noboru | Akbar, preerences ? |
| 13:21.24 | Akbar | yeah |
| 13:21.26 | Noboru | no |
| 13:21.32 | NikosGr | Ronin, i did install gnome |
| 13:21.33 | eide | Gnea: jackd -d alsa --- jackd: unknown driver 'alsa' |
| 13:21.33 | Noboru | i didnt. i dont know what that is |
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| 13:21.43 | NikosGr | but it hasnt got any nice gui |
| 13:21.57 | Akbar | check out my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:21.59 | Akbar | Package: * |
| 13:21.59 | Akbar | Pin: release a=sarge-backports |
| 13:22.00 | Akbar | Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 13:22.14 | Ronin | NikosGr: then as with almost all things linux change it, install some nice lookign theme or something |
| 13:22.24 | jonas23 | okay |
| 13:22.30 | jonas23 | well i tried, really hard |
| 13:22.33 | NikosGr | i just did apt-get install gnome-themes gnome-themes-extras |
| 13:22.34 | jonas23 | but debian just isn't taking on this |
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| 13:22.38 | NikosGr | but how do i runt he themes? |
| 13:22.41 | Gnea | eide: do you have the following directory (or one similar to it): /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/ ? |
| 13:22.42 | NikosGr | how do isee them? |
| 13:22.45 | jonas23 | i'll try another distro, and then if that fails i'm going to rma the mobo |
| 13:22.59 | freelancer | decisions decisions... |
| 13:23.04 | Noboru | Akbar, i add the same stuff to that file ? |
| 13:23.19 | Gnea | jonas23: damn.. good luck with that |
| 13:23.22 | Ronin | NikosGr: dont know i dont run gnome, but i suspect gnome control is a good place to start as would be #gnome |
| 13:23.33 | NikosGr | thanks Ronin |
| 13:23.35 | eide | Gnea: yes |
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| 13:23.36 | evaded | Which level are running Debian as default? Level 5? |
| 13:23.57 | bbrazil | evaded: 2 |
| 13:24.00 | Senilix | 2, i think |
| 13:24.01 | Akbar | Noboru, http://www.backports.org/instructions.html |
| 13:24.02 | Gnea | eide: what files are there? |
| 13:24.04 | evaded | bbrazil: Thanks ;-) |
| 13:24.08 | Curtman | rudolph: Then you probably want 'convert' from the imagemagick package. (man convert for details) |
| 13:24.10 | bbrazil | evaded: it's in /etc/inittab |
| 13:24.22 | rudolph | ok |
| 13:24.24 | rudolph | thx |
| 13:24.33 | evaded | bbrazil: Thanks for the additional informations :-) |
| 13:24.46 | Curtman | rudolph: It helps to say who you are talking to when you're in a room with 800 people in it BTW.. ;) |
| 13:24.48 | Noboru | Akbar, thanks,let me do it |
| 13:25.00 | eide | Gnea: but now, when i started jackd with oss, i don't get any errors, but I get alot of load = xx max_usecs = xx. But rosegarden still doesn't make any sounds. I thought i used alsa. |
| 13:25.00 | quitte | jonas23: the problem seems to be that the bios and grub dont agree what is the first hdd, it seems to me. lilo works? so why not just use it? |
| 13:25.14 | rudolph | Curtman, yes sorry |
| 13:25.20 | eide | Gnea: I'll try on my own for a while. Thank you |
| 13:25.20 | Gnea | eide: you have yet to answer my question. |
| 13:25.25 | Curtman | rudolph: No prob.. |
| 13:25.28 | eide | Gnea: yes |
| 13:25.36 | elvirolo | still can't find the right package |
| 13:25.44 | eide | Gnea: inprocess.so intime.so jack_alsa.so jack_dummy.so jack_oss.so |
| 13:25.56 | Akbar | but how is your php5 working without php5-common ;/ |
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| 13:26.05 | Gnea | eide: jack_alsa.so <-- that's the plugin and it's there |
| 13:26.09 | Curtman | How do I stop services from running at startup permanently? (So that they won't go back after I apt-get upgrade) |
| 13:26.17 | Gnea | eide: are you sure you're using alsa? |
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| 13:26.22 | Gnea | eide: lsmod | grep snd |
| 13:26.30 | bbrazil | Curtman: remove the package, or use update-rc.d |
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| 13:27.09 | Curtman | bbrazil: update-rc.d will do what I want? I'll check it out, thanks. |
| 13:27.22 | Shortee | hello, i installed debian and when i want to login i cant type in the password :( |
| 13:27.35 | bbrazil | Curtman: it's the correct debian way to change rc?.d |
| 13:27.44 | hmakholm | Shortee: Have you forgotten it or don't you get prompted? |
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| 13:27.54 | Shortee | i cant type it in |
| 13:27.58 | Gnea | ok time for sleep |
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| 13:28.00 | eide | Gnea: this is weird, and embarassing. It doesn't say alsa anywhere. But when I first set up the computer, and when i upgraded from sarge, I always had to run alsaconf to get the sound working |
| 13:28.02 | Shortee | he wont accept any letter |
| 13:28.06 | Noboru | Akbar, so i should do Package: mysql ? |
| 13:28.16 | Cae2 | Hi, I'll ask a squid question |
| 13:28.17 | Curtman | bbrazil: So "update-rc.d mdadm remove" is what I want? |
| 13:28.18 | Gnea | eide: hrm... |
| 13:28.20 | NikosGr | how do i tell gim to increase fonts? |
| 13:28.21 | Cae2 | I'm feeling that redirect_program isnt working... I'm redirect to squidGuard and it starts, but strace doesnt show squid redirecting to it, any tips? |
| 13:28.25 | NikosGr | it dont have an option |
| 13:28.26 | hmakholm | Shortee: Who "won't accept any letter" and how. What do you do, what do you see? |
| 13:28.38 | Gnea | eide: i'm not sure then... check the alsa howto to make sure it's running right, and not oss |
| 13:28.46 | Gnea | eide: i need sleep |
| 13:28.57 | eide | Gnea: ok thanks, goodbye |
| 13:28.59 | Akbar | Noboru, is your php working properly.. because php5-common is a dependancy of php5 |
| 13:29.18 | tobzter | !sata |
| 13:29.18 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 13:29.25 | Shortee | i see LoginName there i type "root" and then the computer asks me for Password which i know, but i can only type in the name and no password |
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| 13:29.35 | Noboru | Akbar, yeah working fine,i only need to install mysql support for php5 in the meanwhile avoid downloading/upgrading my mysql |
| 13:30.13 | Noboru | Im very regrat adding backports ;( |
| 13:30.19 | Noboru | regret |
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| 13:30.35 | Akbar | nah you should add backports from www.backports.org |
| 13:30.44 | Akbar | they're working fine :) |
| 13:30.47 | hmakholm | Shortee: Again how do you mean you "can't" type in the password? A metal shield pops up and forces your fingers away from the keyboard? Note that it is normal that the password is not echoed back on the screen; that is to keep onlookers from learning your password. |
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| 13:31.44 | Shortee | yeah i know, but when i type the password, the monitor/computer doesnt show it on the screen |
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| 13:31.51 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 13:31.58 | pon | hi all. If i have 3 computers in 3 different location. A will connect to C through B (A to B is faster than A to C; B is relay between A to C). Is it enoght to set iptables forward on B. or should i use NAT? |
| 13:32.04 | hmakholm | Shortee: It is not _meant_ to be shown on the screen. |
| 13:32.04 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: how the hell are you today? |
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| 13:32.16 | NikosGr | how do i tell gaim to increase its fonts? |
| 13:32.29 | majkl | Hi, I have problem with udma5 set HDD. I have 2 same HDDs in raid1 - difference only in serial No. Without problem I can set hdparm -X udma5 /dev/hda and also to /dev/hdc. But when I do hdparm -i /dev/hda I see there *udma5, but hdparm -i /dev/hdc show no * and in UDMA line show only that: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 |
| 13:32.30 | Shortee | yeah, ok, but he wont show any stars anyway |
| 13:32.33 | wwallace_lap | tell him to gaim some size |
| 13:32.47 | Shortee | and it only shows a console, and no vgui |
| 13:32.57 | hmakholm | Shortee: You are not supposed to see stars. Just type the damn password and press Enter afterwards. |
| 13:32.57 | tobzter | !backports |
| 13:32.57 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 13:33.12 | majkl | any idea what could be the problem with udma5 settings to /dev/hdc ? |
| 13:33.29 | Shortee | yeah, i tried it a thousand times but it shows only Login incorrect... |
| 13:33.35 | bbrazil | Curtman: I've never used it, so you'd want to check the man page |
| 13:33.42 | hmakholm | Shortee: Then you _don't_ remember the correct password. |
| 13:34.01 | Shortee | and how can i fix it now? |
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| 13:34.49 | hmakholm | Shortee: Boot the installer, go to a shell, chroot to the hard disk as root, set a new password with the passwd command. |
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| 13:35.05 | Shortee | ok, i try it wait a minute |
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| 13:35.41 | Curtman | bbrazil: I'm looking at the man page, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. It says to disable a init and shutdown script, use "update-rc.d -f foobar remove" or "update-rc.d foobar stop 45 S .". If I use "update-rc.d mdadm stop 25 2 3 4 .", it says "System startup links for /etc/init.d/mdadm already exist.". |
| 13:35.52 | sonden_ | hello. i have serious problems after having installed debian. i wanted to install a dual boot system with windows and debian. i have installed windows first and then debian, as it is recommended. after restarting i got the following error message: hard disk boot sector invalid. i checked the partitions with knoppix. the windows partition is not recognized anymore as fat32. my question now... |
| 13:35.54 | sonden_ | ...is? how can i best safe the data or fix the grub loader so that i can at least start debian? |
| 13:36.33 | RainbowW | http://pastebin.com/701765 what am i doing wrong? it does only one directory |
| 13:36.46 | sonden_ | if anybody could help me i would be very glad! |
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| 13:36.52 | evaded | I not understant 'man update-rc.d'. How do i need to do to stop apache to run automatically?? |
| 13:37.20 | evaded | Renaming that simlink, is peace of cake. :-/ |
| 13:37.45 | jonas23 | evaded, try using rcconf |
| 13:37.54 | Shortee | i booted the installer now, it loads the install datas etc... |
| 13:38.24 | evaded | jonas22: Need i install additional software? Command not found |
| 13:38.33 | jonas23 | yeah you probably need to install it |
| 13:38.42 | jonas23 | but it's not very heavy |
| 13:38.49 | Shortee | argh, damn it installs everything new :/ |
| 13:38.50 | jonas23 | probably just the one package |
| 13:38.52 | hmakholm | sonden_: Sounds like something is really fscked up. As a first step try if you can get fdisk to relabel the partition as fat32 without changing any data. |
| 13:38.57 | jonas23 | i find it a lot easier than using update-rc.d |
| 13:39.02 | jafo_ | sonden: is the partition you're trying to boot off of marked bootable? |
| 13:39.22 | Curtman | jonas22: Will it stop apt from putting the symlinks back next time the package is upgraded? |
| 13:39.30 | hmakholm | Shortee: You were supposed to stop if before that step. Does the current installer really begin to install things without waiting for permission? |
| 13:39.45 | jafo_ | sonden_: you need to boot up with knoppix and run cfdisk on that drive see what your partition table's saying. |
| 13:39.45 | jonas23 | not sure |
| 13:40.24 | sonden_ | i installed grub in the mbr as debian installer was suggesting. so i suppose it´s marked as bootable |
| 13:40.26 | Shortee | argh, i install everything new now, and then ill call you again |
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| 13:41.19 | hmakholm | RainbowW: Have you checked that the output of find is what you expect? |
| 13:41.29 | bbrazil | Curtman: the 'stop' parts are for stopping a service when you change runlevel (e.g. when you shut down) |
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| 13:41.30 | Shortee | which system should i choose if i want to get a graphic desktop? |
| 13:41.40 | bbrazil | Curtman: the remove line is probably the one you want |
| 13:41.50 | jafo_ | sonden_: when you run cfdisk on the drive do you see "boot" in the "flags" column for that partition? |
| 13:42.12 | Curtman | bbrazil: I tried 'update-rc.d -f mdadm remove', but it just put the symlinks back when I upgraded just as if I had rm'd the symlinks myself. :( |
| 13:42.16 | hmakholm | Shortee: You should be able to select a 'desktop' task somewhen in the process. |
| 13:42.30 | Shortee | ok |
| 13:42.40 | bbrazil | Curtman: you could put "exit 0" at the start of /etc/init.d/mdadm |
| 13:42.53 | Curtman | bbrazil: Errgghh.. |
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| 13:42.54 | bbrazil | Curtman: but you're probably better off removing mdadm |
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| 13:43.38 | evaded | jonas23: Thanks, it's done :-) |
| 13:43.54 | Curtman | bbrazil: I'm just using mdadm as an example. There's many many things started that I have no use for, except occasionally.. crossfire-server is another. Why do I need it running when I'm not playing crossfire? |
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| 13:44.27 | sonden_ | i see the boot flag in the debian directory on hda5 |
| 13:44.36 | bbrazil | Curtman: for when you do want to run crossfire, unless it's eating CPU I wouldn't worry about it |
| 13:45.08 | bbrazil | Curtman: debian assumes that if you have soething installed, you want to use it |
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| 13:45.16 | hmakholm | Curtman: The way to prevent things from being starte is to change the Sxx links to Kxx links, not to remove them at all. If there is _any_ link, the upgrade process won't touch them, but if they are all gone, it will be confused and think it's a fresh install. |
| 13:45.16 | Curtman | bbrazil: Debian is broken then. |
| 13:45.31 | bbrazil | Curtman: no it isn't. If you install apache then it should run |
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| 13:45.33 | Curtman | hmakholm: Thank you very much.. I'll try that. |
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| 13:45.57 | Curtman | bbrazil: No.. Maybe I just needed apache-dev, but I have no use for the apache server. |
| 13:46.23 | sonden_ | fdisk recognizes the windows partition as fat32 again; nevertheless i cannot mount it |
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| 13:46.54 | bbrazil | Curtman: then file a bug stating the dependancy isn't required |
| 13:47.01 | Lingo | I have a USB jump drive. I can mount it and view files, but not even root can write to it, or change its permissions, even though it is owned by root. What is going on? |
| 13:47.05 | hmakholm | sonden_: What does 'file -s' say about the block device? It is possible that something has garbled the contents. |
| 13:47.15 | jafo_ | sonden_ : can you boot into Debian or Windows of the HDD? |
| 13:47.22 | Curtman | bbrazil: But it is required. The headers don't do any good without the libraries to link against. |
| 13:47.46 | sonden_ | no, i can´t boot into either of both |
| 13:47.48 | Angels2 | is there a tool to utf8 decode a file? |
| 13:47.50 | Shortee | hmakholm: which settings do i have to choose for a standard desktop system |
| 13:47.53 | Shortee | ? |
| 13:47.55 | bbrazil | Curtman: no, it only requires apache-common. the server is only a suggest |
| 13:48.23 | sonden_ | and as i said, i just installed debian without configuring it yet, so i don´t know wheather it is properly working or not |
| 13:48.23 | hmakholm | Shortee: What is the question you are currently being asked? |
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| 13:48.52 | jonas23 | OKAY i got somewhere |
| 13:48.54 | Curtman | bbrazil: Anyhow.. I like hmakholm's suggestion. Assuming I want something I don't, is a bug, not a feature. |
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| 13:49.09 | jonas23 | I was able to boot off of a pata drive |
| 13:49.13 | sonden_ | sorry, i don´t get along with this file -s command |
| 13:49.16 | smacnay | If a cpu overheats, will the system just lock up dead and give no error messages? |
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| 13:49.24 | callee | is there a good tv application for watching digital television? |
| 13:49.25 | Shortee | hmakholm i have reinstalled everything now i am at setting up all of these settings, but i never done this before |
| 13:49.36 | bbrazil | Curtman: so, for every server it should explicitly ask you (after choosing to install it) if you want to run it? |
| 13:49.39 | sonden_ | could you maybe specify that a little bit? |
| 13:49.43 | Shortee | can you help me? |
| 13:49.44 | jonas23 | also: i officially just totally give up |
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| 13:49.49 | hmakholm | Curtman: Bbrazis is wrong. Debian policy is that one can have things installed and not change them, just by setting the rcX.d symlinks to kill the service insead of starting it. |
| 13:49.50 | plb | er how is one supposed to enter horizontal vertical syncs for xorg 7? dpkg-reconfigure doesn't offer the option and there is not xorgconfig? |
| 13:49.53 | simonrvn | smacnay: one possible outcome. another is shutting itself off. depends |
| 13:50.02 | Curtman | bbrazil: What Gentoo does, is it doesn't start anything until I ask it to start it. I liked that very much. |
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| 13:50.26 | Lingo | What can cause a drive to be mountable but not writable, even by root? |
| 13:50.30 | Curtman | hmakholm: Very good then. Thanks. |
| 13:50.30 | hmakholm | Shortee: No, I cannot help you if you keep not telling where in the process you are. You speak of "settings", but it is impossible for readers to guess WHICH kind of settings you are looking at. |
| 13:50.38 | smacnay | simonrvn: seems that my computer freezes up (no keyboard response, etc.) when I am compiling large code and the processor works hard. |
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| 13:51.16 | tralala | Lingo: a read-only media/mount option |
| 13:51.27 | simonrvn | compiling is one of the most intensive things you can do, if not the most. you need some cooling ;) |
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| 13:52.06 | Lingo | tralala: sorry, but I don't understand. What's a read-only media/mount option? |
| 13:52.24 | simonrvn | mounting it read-only |
| 13:52.24 | smacnay | right now it is steady at 61 |
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| 13:52.27 | smacnay | oops |
| 13:52.59 | Shortee | i have downloaded the network installing disc this one i installed on the computer now it is downloading the packages and then.... |
| 13:53.10 | simonrvn | i find that hot, but i find 40 hot |
| 13:53.37 | Shortee | before that i had to set up a password for the root user an a new user etc |
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| 13:54.31 | Lingo | simonrvn: I didn't put any special options. I just said "mount /dev/sde1 /mnt/usb". |
| 13:54.37 | Shortee | now i am at the choosing of the debian software, which one do i have to choose? |
| 13:54.43 | Lingo | So why would it be read-only? |
| 13:54.44 | zrin | how to tell the system to prefer ipv4 addresses? |
| 13:54.54 | hmakholm | Shortee: Are you being asked to select "tasks"? |
| 13:55.10 | Shortee | i think so |
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| 13:55.33 | hmakholm | Shortee: There should be a "desktop" task that will give you a default GUI environment. |
| 13:55.36 | Shortee | there is shown: desktop-umgebung, web-server, druck-server, etc |
| 13:55.51 | Shortee | so i have to choose desktop? |
| 13:56.08 | plb | er how is one supposed to enter horizontal vertical syncs for xorg 7? dpkg-reconfigure doesn't offer the option and there is not xorgconfig? |
| 13:56.15 | hmakholm | Shortee: Ah. So you've chosen German as a language. Yes, "desktop-umgebung" sounds fine, doesn't it? |
| 13:56.23 | Shortee | ok :) |
| 13:56.27 | Shortee | thx |
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| 13:56.51 | tralala | Lingo: some usb sticks have a read-only switch. It could be on. Or the device name sde could be wrong. |
| 13:57.48 | Shortee | now its loading the "hole 1,hole2, etc" |
| 13:58.03 | Lingo | tralala: A physical switch or a virtual switch? |
| 13:58.14 | hmakholm | Shortee: It sounds like you're having a slight problem with English ("he" for "it", not being able to quote the English screen texts that we're familar with here, etc). Have you tried #debian.de? |
| 13:58.32 | tralala | Lingo: physical |
| 13:58.46 | Shortee | oh, no i did not know anything of it xD |
| 13:59.14 | Shortee | thank you very much ;) |
| 13:59.18 | Lingo | tralala: Mine doesn't have one. Also, I think sde is right, because I can read it. |
| 13:59.21 | Shortee | ill try it there |
| 13:59.41 | hmakholm | Shortee: I have no idea whether it is actually populated, mind you. |
| 13:59.46 | zrin | every tcp connection takes ages because ipv6 is tried first (etch i686) ... how can I change that? |
| 13:59.55 | Shortee | ok |
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| 14:00.03 | Lingo | oh well |
| 14:00.16 | Lingo | tralala: anywhere else I can try? |
| 14:00.25 | Lingo | tralala: IRC channels |
| 14:00.31 | tralala | Lingo: check if fstab has an sde entry with the "ro" option |
| 14:00.41 | hmakholm | Lingo: It might also be that the file system on the stick is one the kernel doesn't know how to write. NTFS used to be like that, for example. |
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| 14:01.53 | hmakholm | zrin: Depends on the software. Which program is giving trouble? |
| 14:01.59 | Lingo | hmakholm: but it says "Operation not permitted", not "Cannot write: Filesystem not supported. |
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| 14:02.30 | Noboru | mysql start |
| 14:02.31 | Noboru | ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO) |
| 14:02.36 | zrin | hmakholm: apt-get for example, ftp, telnet ... I can use -4, but I'd like ipv4 to be default and tried first |
| 14:03.05 | hmakholm | Lingo: I'm not sure that would be the symptom. If you're sure, just ignore what I said. |
| 14:03.14 | zrin | hmakholm: I'd still like not to have to turn ipv6 off completely (remove it from the kernel) |
| 14:04.31 | hmakholm | zrin: I _think_ that if you have no IPv6 compatibility, you ought to get a "network unreachable" condition, upon which well-behaved software will immediately try another address, eventually reaching the IP4 ones. |
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| 14:05.18 | hmakholm | zrin: If you do have IPv6 but it is slow due to tunnelling or whatever, I'm afraid that you have to patch each program in question to try IPv4 first. |
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| 14:05.57 | blahh | ok just install xorg 7 on unstable but when I startx I get: X:user not authorized to run the xserver, aborting...anyone got a clue? |
| 14:06.22 | hmakholm | blahh: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:06.30 | blahh | hmakholm: BTS? |
| 14:06.37 | zrin | hmakholm: I have an etch (amd64) box as host and router for several etch installations (mostly 32 bit i686), so the host supports ipv6, but the next gateway doesn't |
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| 14:06.40 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 14:06.41 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 14:07.31 | blahh | no browser to check it =\ and links takes up damn near the whole screen and is annoying to use |
| 14:07.36 | zrin | hmakholm: if this is so, what is the best way to turn off ipv6 completely? |
| 14:07.50 | hmakholm | zrin: The relevant parts seem to match my setup, but I don't have any IPv6-caused long delays with ordinary programs. |
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| 14:08.02 | zrin | hmakholm: do i have to remove it from the kernel or can I just switch it off? |
| 14:08.27 | hmakholm | zrin: To turn off IPv6, I would initially try to remove all IPv6 interfaces and routes. But it's not something I have tried personally. |
| 14:08.43 | zrin | hmakholm: perhaps the problem is in my internet gateway which does not support ipv6 for sure |
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| 14:09.16 | zrin | hmakholm: do you mean I can remove ipv6 from "eth0"? |
| 14:09.39 | hmakholm | zrin: I would expect that you can remove the IPv6 _address_, but I don't remember the syntax to do so. |
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| 14:10.27 | Eclipser | is it somehow possible to show unicode in console (not terminal emulator)? |
| 14:10.37 | eXiSt | hi |
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| 14:10.55 | eXiSt | i have Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable amd64 with etch |
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| 14:11.13 | simkin_ | hi, why my kernel 2.6.16 doesnt create my cdrom devices? |
| 14:11.15 | eXiSt | i try to install kde |
| 14:11.22 | eXiSt | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 14:11.22 | eXiSt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.22 | eXiSt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.33 | eXiSt | but always these errors occurs |
| 14:11.59 | eXiSt | deb http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ etch main |
| 14:11.59 | simkin_ | i saw this on dmesg... ata1(0): WARNING: ATAPI is disabled, device ignored. |
| 14:11.59 | eXiSt | deb-src http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ etch main |
| 14:12.00 | simkin_ | ata1(1): WARNING: ATAPI is disabled, device ignored. |
| 14:12.23 | simkin_ | why this kernel have ATAPI disabled?? |
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| 14:13.09 | freelancer | pfft, think I might finish this in the morning *yawn* |
| 14:13.14 | freelancer | seeyas |
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| 14:14.30 | hmakholm | eXiSt: I remember reading about problems with KDE in unstable. Perhaps it has not been built fully for the (fairly new) official amd64 archive yet? |
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| 14:18.37 | Blissex | hmakholm: if you use 'unstable' you know all these things already :-) |
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| 14:19.04 | marco13185 | where does xfce store its gtk themes? |
| 14:19.11 | hmakholm | Blissex: I do run unstable, but not KDE. |
| 14:19.31 | simonrvn | in ~/.themes |
| 14:19.39 | marco13185 | simonrvn, thanks, lol |
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| 14:19.53 | marco13185 | simonrvn, no, they're not there |
| 14:20.02 | simonrvn | try ~/.icons |
| 14:20.12 | marco13185 | empty too |
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| 14:21.43 | simonrvn | then they're in the system dirs, in /usr/share/icons or /usr/share/something (sec while i go see) |
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| 14:22.09 | simonrvn | yeh, themes |
| 14:22.16 | evaded | I have installed 'webmin' on an computer, locally it work but from another computer i receive en denied error. Where i need to look to? |
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| 14:23.22 | hmakholm | evaded: I would try /usr/share/doc/webmin/README.Debian (or something like that) first. |
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| 14:24.02 | evaded | hmakholm: Right!, i give support to an friend. So i try to help him @ distance ;-) |
| 14:24.17 | marco13185 | hmm, is there a way to have icons on the xfce desktop? |
| 14:25.06 | hmakholm | evaded: You don't really want to use webmin for that. An ssh connection and a shell is much safer. |
| 14:25.26 | hmakholm | (IIRC, webmin has a history of security snafus) |
| 14:25.44 | blondie | does webmin even use SSL? ;) |
| 14:25.50 | evaded | hmakholm: Yes i know, i have use webmin less time and some time ago. I preffer cli :-) but it's for an virtual friend that i support free |
| 14:26.38 | hmakholm | evaded: Am I misunderstanding? You think you need webmin in order to help your friend, or your friend wants webmin for himself? |
| 14:26.52 | jonas23 | alright grub installed correctly to a disc that was on my raid card |
| 14:27.04 | jonas23 | and it booted to stage 2 |
| 14:27.06 | jonas23 | but then i couldn't load the kernel |
| 14:27.09 | jonas23 | i'm junking this motherboard |
| 14:27.26 | evaded | hmakholm: No no, my virtual friend have installed webmin to manage his server. But he not find why it's would not run on another computer. |
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| 14:27.55 | evaded | hmakholm: I not really like webmin, i preffer to learn some usefull things :-) |
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| 14:28.48 | hmakholm | evaded: Ah. The _why_ is clear, at least - it is for security. You don't want to offer random crackers a dozen of doors to try to smash. As for opening it explicitly, I'll have to refer to README.Debian or thereabouts. |
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| 14:29.49 | raf256` | kdestart starts me entire X + window manager, how to start just X with one app in it? |
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| 14:30.13 | evaded | hmakholm: Yes, you're right |
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| 14:30.33 | deringo | hi ..how can i enable DRI in xorg? |
| 14:30.33 | hmakholm | jonas22: Junking the motherboard? That's a completely wrong attitude. What you want is "DEBAIN SUCXX!!1!! IM GOING BACK TO WINDOWS!@!@2" |
| 14:31.52 | Akbar | let's port luna to X |
| 14:33.02 | deringo | .msg #xorg KoRnouille i got it :) Load "dri" ..i previously written Load "DRI" and didnt worled :P |
| 14:33.39 | SonnyBurnett | !webcam |
| 14:33.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
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| 14:34.32 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, in this link i jus find information about setting up webcam servers... where can I find information about install a webcam in debian? |
| 14:34.58 | Noboru | by the way, etch is testing ? |
| 14:35.04 | Phated | Yes. |
| 14:35.10 | Noboru | hi Phated |
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| 14:35.29 | Noboru | do you know if etch has php5 mysql5 and apache5 ? |
| 14:35.35 | Phated | No idea, I don't use it. |
| 14:35.39 | Noboru | oh |
| 14:35.41 | Phated | !pdo |
| 14:35.42 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/, or the machine that hosts http://packages.debian.org has been overloaded, a temporary replacement can be found at http://pdo.debian.net |
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| 14:38.24 | tero_ | Can somebody help me, I'm newbie and I need to know how I install local packages to debian which I downloaded from the net? Is there special place where those neet to be store or can I choose the place like /home/john/tmp? Normally I use apt-get install but now the package is locally in my computer... |
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| 14:38.55 | Akbar | tero_, dpkg -i package.deb |
| 14:39.00 | bartlebee | if new kernel modules are installed and made available in /lib/modules/2.x.x/kernel/whatever -- modprobe does not recognize them without a reboot? is there a way to refresh the available module list? |
| 14:39.00 | Curtman | Is there a utility like 'top' that tells you what processes are using disk I/O? Something is doing a lot of IO, and I can't figure out what. It's not updatedb, that's about all I know of that ever does this. :( |
| 14:39.16 | cahoot | bartlebee: depmod -ea? |
| 14:40.11 | bartlebee | cahoot thank you! |
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| 14:40.20 | tero_ | Akbar, like dpkg -i /home/john/tmp package.deb? |
| 14:40.43 | Akbar | yeah or just cd into that directory and dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 14:40.50 | Akbar | whatever you like :) |
| 14:41.04 | bartlebee | yay, lustre up :> |
| 14:41.08 | tero_ | thanks |
| 14:41.48 | Akbar | tero_, if you want to remove it in the future you could just 'apt-get remove --purge blah' |
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| 14:43.14 | hmakholm | Curtman: lsof might give you a clue, or it could just be swap. |
| 14:44.09 | Noboru | if i download etchbeta2, php5 and mysql5 are available in its ports ? |
| 14:44.21 | bengrubb | use one of your sources as your cd |
| 14:44.22 | Curtman | hmakholm: My memory usage is at 371044/1034420, and 0 swap used, so I doubt its swapping.. I'll play with lsof. Thanks again. |
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| 14:44.40 | bengrubb | oh soz i was scrolled up |
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| 14:45.37 | Akbar | Noboru, http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 14:46.03 | _indymedia_ | no ubuntu chat here? |
| 14:46.12 | Akbar | !ubuntu |
| 14:46.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 14:46.17 | _indymedia_ | its so good and free and fresh |
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| 14:47.03 | blondie | _indymedia_: and debian is better |
| 14:47.29 | Noboru | Akbar, thanks,checking |
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| 14:50.24 | nikosgr | can i access reiserfs aprtitions through xp ? |
| 14:50.40 | blondie | probably not |
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| 14:50.53 | linnuxxy | is there anyway to install ingres DBMS on sarge? |
| 14:50.58 | nikosgr | i heard tthere some kind od drivers |
| 14:51.01 | Akbar | maybe with some xp drivers :P |
| 14:51.19 | nikosgr | :) |
| 14:51.31 | nikosgr | Akbar, i heard of a tool also |
| 14:51.53 | Akbar | but I can't say it's very stable and unsupported.. |
| 14:52.03 | Akbar | so... |
| 14:52.30 | Curtman | hmakholm: Does any of this mean anything to you? Because it doesn't to me. ;) http://curtman.webhop.net/lsof.output.txt |
| 14:52.40 | Noboru | Akbar, i dont find mysql-server on that page |
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| 14:53.18 | linnuxxy | how to install ingres DBMS on sarge? |
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| 14:54.20 | Akbar | Noboru, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mysql-server&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 14:54.32 | bitlogic | on kernel compilation, how can i put some modules on directory /lib/modules/<version>/initrd ? |
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| 14:54.47 | CountZ | any other network monitoring tool other than Nagios with good debian packages? |
| 14:55.09 | Noboru | Akbar, Thank YOU :) im downloading Etch beta2 |
| 14:55.52 | Akbar | backports didn't work out for ya? |
| 14:55.56 | Akbar | :) |
| 14:56.31 | hmakholm | Curtman: Um, that is huge. Perhaps my suggestion was less smart than I tought. It is possible that some grepping could cut it down to a manageable size. E.g. remove everything the is not a REG, remove all .so.N.N files and proc/*/exe and so forth. |
| 14:57.27 | Curtman | hmakholm: I was hoping to find something that can make use of inotify in the kernel or something like that, but I'll keep grepping for now I suppose. Thanks. |
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| 14:58.29 | marco13185 | does anyone know if openoffice will work after a dist-upgrade |
| 14:58.46 | marco13185 | because the bug reports aren't very helpful |
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| 14:59.01 | marco13185 | in unstable |
| 14:59.47 | amee2k | is there a command that resolves a hostname and just puts out the IP address, so i can use it like `command irc.servers.lan` on the bash command line? |
| 15:00.03 | asg | amee2k: just wrap dig or host in a custom script |
| 15:00.42 | amee2k | asg: have an example? |
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| 15:01.05 | Akbar | amee2k, nslookup? |
| 15:01.14 | trenka_ | amee2k: type "host google.com" to get an example |
| 15:01.25 | trenka_ | Akbar: depricated |
| 15:01.34 | asg | amee2k: if you don't have host(1), install the dnsutils package |
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| 15:01.46 | Akbar | oh |
| 15:01.55 | Noboru | hi Akbar ,are you free ? |
| 15:02.04 | Akbar | yeah sure whats up |
| 15:02.06 | amee2k | yea, but i only want the ip address of it that i can use this "substitute with output" thingie on the bash |
| 15:02.06 | ourbbs | help on finding large files ie core files ect |
| 15:02.07 | Noboru | may i ask a partition problem ? |
| 15:02.16 | Akbar | just ask :P |
| 15:02.30 | Noboru | it is not a problem actually,but i wonder how do i partition in debian |
| 15:02.34 | hmakholm | ourbbs: man find |
| 15:02.34 | Noboru | i mean,i didnt notice /var will be used to store mysql datas |
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| 15:02.44 | Akbar | fdisk? |
| 15:02.45 | Akbar | ;p |
| 15:02.47 | Noboru | i thought /usr though so i gave the most spaces to it |
| 15:03.04 | ourbbs | i am a newie man fin ? |
| 15:03.12 | trenka | amee2k: I suppose unix user able to use 'cut' |
| 15:03.19 | Noboru | Akbar, i mean, a server runs apache php mysql on debian by all default settings e.g i dont specify the install folder |
| 15:03.35 | hmakholm | Noboru: If you don't have the space to backup everything and repartition, you can create symlinks from particular subdirectories of /var back to places in /usr |
| 15:03.39 | Noboru | so in this matter, Akbar ,which or what partition i should give it the BIG size |
| 15:03.45 | Akbar | yeah |
| 15:03.46 | amee2k | trenka: not yet but i'm able to use man :) |
| 15:03.48 | Akbar | oh |
| 15:03.48 | amee2k | ty |
| 15:04.05 | Akbar | I would just partition it all to / |
| 15:04.05 | Akbar | :P |
| 15:04.16 | hmakholm | ourbbs: Read the manual page for the "find" command. Typing "man find" at a shell prompt will show it to you. |
| 15:04.19 | Akbar | and more to /home |
| 15:04.23 | Akbar | etc.. |
| 15:04.29 | Noboru | hmakholm, by that it wont use double-spaces ? |
| 15:04.34 | ourbbs | thanks i will try that now |
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| 15:04.43 | ilgufo | hi 2 all |
| 15:04.47 | hmakholm | Noboru: "Double-spaces"? |
| 15:04.49 | Noboru | Akbar, ? |
| 15:05.03 | Noboru | double size,sorry |
| 15:05.51 | Noboru | what if it with swap + / |
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| 15:06.33 | hmakholm | Noboru: No, moving things to another partition will not in general use twice the size. But I am not sure I understandly correctly; could you elaborate on the problem you fear? |
| 15:07.15 | Akbar | are you asking how you should partition your disk? |
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| 15:07.29 | Noboru | yeah |
| 15:07.29 | Akbar | or.. |
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| 15:07.40 | Akbar | depends.. it's very flexible |
| 15:07.47 | Noboru | How to assign spaces |
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| 15:08.30 | Akbar | you could set it up your own way.. so maybe you got a spare drive .. you could mount that as /home |
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| 15:09.27 | bit0 | hi!, any oregano developer here? |
| 15:09.28 | Noboru | How about i only partition / and a swap ? will this be less effective to run stuff in linux ? |
| 15:09.38 | Akbar | nah |
| 15:09.44 | Akbar | but when you need to format |
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| 15:09.52 | Akbar | you would lose all your data |
| 15:10.04 | Noboru | I see |
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| 15:10.17 | Akbar | so if you got like /home seperate |
| 15:10.24 | amee2k | wow: host irc.freenode.net | cut "--delimiter= " --fields=4 | grep -m 1 "\." |
| 15:10.30 | Akbar | you can just mount that /home onto your new system |
| 15:10.40 | Akbar | etc.. etc.. |
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| 15:10.59 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 15:11.00 | YogSothoth | Is there a way to tell scp not to overwrite files if destination file exists and is the same size? |
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| 15:11.08 | Noboru | I see |
| 15:11.13 | ourbbs | could someone give me a command for searching for files bigger than 10 meg ie find -size ???? i need it to be displayed on screen |
| 15:11.24 | hmakholm | YogSothoth: Depends on which software creates them. |
| 15:11.43 | amee2k | ourbbs: -size +???? iirc |
| 15:11.44 | hmakholm | YogSothoth: Scp, right. I should learn to read. |
| 15:11.48 | YogSothoth | hmakholm: How can I know whay software rcp uses? |
| 15:11.51 | Noboru | Akbar, huh ? i think with only / + swap paritions it will still create /home /var right |
| 15:11.57 | Akbar | Noboru, like if you install xp on a 300 gb drive all on c: and you need to reinstall.. you're pretty much f*cked :) |
| 15:11.58 | YogSothoth | hmakholm: yep :-) |
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| 15:12.16 | YogSothoth | checked the man and saw nothing about overwriting or not |
| 15:12.28 | hmakholm | YogSothoth: Probably you want rsync instead. |
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| 15:12.41 | YogSothoth | oh right |
| 15:12.47 | valdyn | YogSothoth: you might want to just use rsync |
| 15:12.47 | YogSothoth | didn't even think of it |
| 15:12.53 | YogSothoth | thanks guys :-) |
| 15:13.15 | Akbar | Noboru, I got a /, swap, and a home, then a seperate hdb to ~/Music |
| 15:13.17 | Noboru | Akbar, I see |
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| 15:13.37 | Akbar | that way I won't lose my data |
| 15:13.43 | CountZ | any ideas how I add temperature from sensors data to snmpd? |
| 15:13.43 | baconbacon | chealer: hey i'm @ acm |
| 15:14.18 | Noboru | Akbar, so do you have a /tmp as you didnt mean to create it but its still being created right ? i mean for example you can backup /var no problem |
| 15:14.44 | Akbar | /tmp is created on / |
| 15:14.53 | Akbar | it's not a seperate partition |
| 15:14.59 | ourbbs | thanks 10meg how is that displayed ie find size +100000 ?? |
| 15:15.01 | Noboru | oh |
| 15:15.03 | Akbar | but you could make it a seperate one |
| 15:15.04 | Noboru | different structure |
| 15:15.07 | Akbar | if you like |
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| 15:15.15 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 15:15.23 | Noboru | Akbar, Now i see,got it |
| 15:15.32 | RainbowW | okay well at a load average of 25, my machine's performance sucks. |
| 15:15.34 | solemnwarning | What happend to the link on debian.org to download debian testing i386 netinstalls? |
| 15:15.35 | Akbar | it's flexible, what works for you.. |
| 15:15.39 | Akbar | bbl |
| 15:15.42 | Noboru | ok |
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| 15:15.52 | solemnwarning | I can only find stable now |
| 15:16.05 | izut | Hi. How can I reconfigure apt repositories? |
| 15:16.14 | solemnwarning | izut, apt-setup |
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| 15:16.29 | Noboru | solemnwarning, you mean Etch beta2 ? |
| 15:16.34 | Noboru | im downloading it |
| 15:16.40 | izut | solemnwarning: I don't have apt-setup |
| 15:16.51 | trenka | izut: vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:16.52 | solemnwarning | izut, su - root, then apt-setup |
| 15:17.07 | izut | apt-config, maybe? |
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| 15:17.26 | solemnwarning | Noboru, what url are you getting the cd from? |
| 15:17.26 | Noboru | solemnwarning, if you need Etch-beta2-i386-dist1.ISO,i give you the addr. |
| 15:17.27 | izut | trenka: I want to see the available repos. |
| 15:17.39 | solemnwarning | Is that a netinstall? |
| 15:17.39 | Noboru | solemnwarning, http://debian.cn99.com/debian-cd/etch-beta2/ |
| 15:17.41 | stew | solemnwarning: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:18.03 | Noboru | not the netinstall ISO though,that one is big size |
| 15:18.03 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 15:18.08 | izut | solemnwarning: apt-setup is available from what package? |
| 15:18.45 | stew | izut: base-config, but it only exists in stable |
| 15:18.53 | izut | oh, ok. |
| 15:19.01 | izut | I'm using unstable. |
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| 15:20.14 | asg | izut: /msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:20.28 | izut | stew: I have no option aside editing /etc/apt/sources.list to modify repositories... |
| 15:20.38 | stew | izut: yes |
| 15:21.39 | whafro | I need to set up a second SMTP server that supports TLS and AUTH. Is there a way to do that with a package, or is my best bet to go compile something from source? |
| 15:22.03 | whafro | (second meaning on port 587) |
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| 15:22.40 | asg | whafro: what MTA are you using now? |
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| 15:23.18 | fas3r | nobody have install wg311 v2 on debian ... ? it's work with madwifi ? |
| 15:23.39 | SonnyBurnett | I've installed the driver spca5xx for my webcam, but when I try it with gqcam I receive this output: "/dev/video: No such device" (I use Etch ) |
| 15:23.41 | izut | etch is unstable or testing? |
| 15:23.53 | hmakholm | izut: testing |
| 15:23.59 | izut | ok. |
| 15:24.00 | RainbowW | etch is testing. izut, unstable is alwas called sid. |
| 15:24.14 | izut | ok, I'm using etch. |
| 15:24.28 | stew | whafro: you won't be able to install two different mta packages unless one lives inside a chroot |
| 15:25.23 | marco13185 | has anyone else noticed that the xfce metapackage is broken? |
| 15:25.23 | bitlogic | what doest is means: dpkg-deb: control directory has bas permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) |
| 15:25.37 | bitlogic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:25.42 | stew | marco13185: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:25.51 | asg | bitlogic: remove the setgid bit |
| 15:25.52 | hmakholm | bitlogic: Something is wrong with the source you're trying to compile, it seems. |
| 15:26.03 | bitlogic | hmakholm, but where? |
| 15:26.08 | hmakholm | asg: Right. bitlogic, ignore me. |
| 15:26.23 | whafro | asg: qmail |
| 15:26.33 | Readon | it is said that "your machine does not have working cycle counter" when i modprobe pktgen. i am using debian stable 2.4.27 kernel |
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| 15:26.53 | bitlogic | asg, but from which directory? What is control directory? |
| 15:26.59 | asg | whafro: then start a second listener. #qmail and the documentation should show you how. |
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| 15:27.15 | linnuxxy | what is the standard glibc version shipped with sarge? and is 'Native POSIX Threading Library' is supported by default? |
| 15:27.21 | asg | bitlogic: /debian most likely. |
| 15:27.31 | asg | linnuxxy: install libc6-686 for the NPTL support |
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| 15:27.46 | asg | bitlogic: if not, find(1) can help you discover it |
| 15:28.02 | asg | linnuxxy: sorry, it's libc6-i686 |
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| 15:28.44 | bitlogic | asg, you where correct, thanks |
| 15:28.52 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 15:29.04 | linnuxxy | libc6-i686 with NPTL is installed by default? |
| 15:29.10 | thingfish | nope |
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| 15:29.23 | thingfish | not in sarge, at least. |
| 15:29.28 | linnuxxy | howto install it? |
| 15:29.29 | jmp_me | how do i change the umask? |
| 15:29.32 | asg | thingfish: yes it is |
| 15:29.41 | jmp_me | can the umask be different for different users? |
| 15:29.41 | hmakholm | jmp_me: With the umask command. |
| 15:29.46 | asg | thingfish: Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 15:29.48 | thingfish | asg: it is, then why do I always have to manually install it? |
| 15:29.53 | hmakholm | jmp_me: Each _process_ has its own umask value. |
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| 15:30.02 | asg | thingfish: define 'manually'? |
| 15:30.09 | thingfish | asg: I have done all sorts of sarge installs and have to apt-get install it. |
| 15:30.15 | jmp_me | hmakholm: getty too? |
| 15:30.22 | asg | thingfish: of course you do, not every i386 system is i686 |
| 15:30.28 | hmakholm | jmp_me: "Each process" includes getty,. |
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| 15:30.56 | thingfish | asg: my point being that sarge does not install it as part of install. |
| 15:31.00 | hmakholm | jmp_me: But usually one of the first thing the newly created user shell will do is to set a new umask (usually from /etc/profile) |
| 15:31.04 | thingfish | or part of base setup. |
| 15:31.05 | jmp_me | hmakholm: do i need to change getty or bash to make the users created files? or every process which can create a file? |
| 15:31.07 | linnuxxy | ag: i have to run 'apt-get install xxxx'? what is xxxx? |
| 15:31.12 | jmp_me | hmakholm: mmh |
| 15:31.19 | Mario_Segura_S | hi, i got a question, my sound card volume always start muted |
| 15:31.20 | asg | thingfish: right because if it did, it would break a bunch of systems including my P/200 |
| 15:31.20 | Mario_Segura_S | i use gnome |
| 15:31.26 | thingfish | linnuxxy: yes, apt-get install libc6-i686 |
| 15:31.28 | linnuxxy | i have i386 sarge |
| 15:31.28 | asg | linnuxxy: apt-get install libc6-i686 |
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| 15:31.50 | jmp_me | i use zsh :< |
| 15:32.01 | thingfish | asg: sorry, I thought you were disagreeing with my statement that it's not installed by default. |
| 15:32.03 | hmakholm | jmp_me: You probably want to create a ~/.profile that sets an umask of your choice. Then processes started from the shell will inherit the shell's umask. |
| 15:32.12 | asg | thingfish: no worries ;) |
| 15:32.14 | ourbbs | is there a command to look for broken dependants |
| 15:32.20 | linnuxxy | ok thanks, asg, thinkfish |
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| 15:32.30 | hmakholm | jmp_me: I don't know zsh. Read its manual to find out which startup file to use/create. |
| 15:32.30 | Mario_Segura_S | the volume control starts always muted, i save the session but agains starts muted |
| 15:33.52 | Mario_Segura_S | any idea |
| 15:33.58 | hmakholm | ourbbs: The easiest IMO is to start aptitude in fill-screen mode and press 'b'. |
| 15:34.15 | Mario_Segura_S | i havent found any file that saves the configuration of the volume |
| 15:34.18 | linnuxxy | im having a program with this requirements 'These releases support 32-bit Linux Kernel 2.4.21-20EL or 2.6 and up with glibc 2.3-95 C-language libraries and up with Native POSIX Threading Library (?NPTL?) support.' should it work after installing libc-i686? |
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| 15:34.51 | jimmack | Hi all. I'm unused to Debian and I could use some advice. I've added a Debian mirror URL to my sources.list, but apt-get is adding "/debian" to the end of that URL when trying to access the Packages.gz file. |
| 15:34.57 | jimmack | How can I stop it doing that? |
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| 15:36.34 | green_earz | jimmack: use apt-setup to pick a apt mirror |
| 15:37.06 | hmakholm | jimmack: How does the relevant line in our sources.list look? |
| 15:37.15 | jimmack | green_earz: Ah. OK. Thanks. I'll give that a go. |
| 15:37.32 | linnuxxy | asg, thinkfish: would it work or not? |
| 15:37.36 | FabParma | is it posible to limitate the bandwidth on clients into a lan? |
| 15:37.36 | jimmack | hmakholm: Hold on. I'll just try the apt-setup to see if that fixes it :-) |
| 15:37.58 | asg | linnuxxy: it should do |
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| 15:38.06 | FabParma | is it posible to restrict the bandwidth on clients into a lan? |
| 15:38.23 | asg | FabParma: check the faqs at lartc.org |
| 15:38.35 | FabParma | asg: ok |
| 15:38.47 | jimmack | green_earz (and hmakholm): Thanks. That seems to have done the trick. |
| 15:38.53 | linnuxxy | asg: ok, thanks again |
| 15:38.55 | green_earz | np |
| 15:39.58 | jmp_me | umask;touch file;ls -al file |
| 15:39.58 | jmp_me | 022 |
| 15:39.58 | jmp_me | -rw-r--r-- 1 satan satan 0 2006-05-06 17:38 file |
| 15:40.07 | jmp_me | should'nt it be -----w--w- file ? |
| 15:40.42 | hmakholm | jmp_me: No, the umask contains the bit that will be forcibly _cleared_ when files are created. |
| 15:41.14 | jmp_me | so umask 777 would make ---------- ? |
| 15:41.23 | hmakholm | Yes |
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| 15:41.45 | green_earz | FabParma: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 15:41.54 | jmp_me | strange days, should be 027 by default |
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| 15:42.07 | FabParma | green_earz: thank you |
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| 15:42.12 | iostream | hi =) |
| 15:42.14 | ourbbs | thanks aptitude running but no b option p.s in root i typed attitude |
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| 15:42.40 | hmakholm | jmp_me: 022 is traditional, and most people who want to snoop on you on a multi-user system woul be in the 'users' group anyway. |
| 15:42.41 | iostream | is there a way to convert dpatch files to plain diffs ? |
| 15:43.47 | mstevens | hi. I've changed my locale to en_GB.UTF-8 but when I type the localized characters like the pound sign it gives me a square box before the symbol I was expecting and seems to corrupt the prompt in my shell. Is there a guide somewhere? |
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| 15:44.48 | hmakholm | ourbbs: In the stable version you may need to type /~b instead of just b |
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| 15:45.38 | green_earz | FabParma: there is the wondershaper script that in debian, you could tweak it to Priorities the clients upload stream |
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| 15:46.44 | FabParma | asg: i red, its to comlicate for my experience. i hope to find something packed |
| 15:47.51 | majkl | How is said in english in DNS A record ? PTR = revers record, A = ? record (direct?) ? |
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| 15:48.24 | asg | majkl: canonical record |
| 15:48.35 | asg | thethinman: just ask in channel then you benefit from peer review of answers |
| 15:48.41 | thingfish | thethinman: ask them in channel - it's ok. |
| 15:49.12 | majkl | asg: and CNAME = ? |
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| 15:49.30 | asg | majkl: I was wrong, my mistake. CNAME is canonical record |
| 15:49.58 | majkl | asg: ...so, question is, how is A, hm ? |
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| 15:50.23 | ourbbs | thanks got it now |
| 15:50.29 | prizman | vanbastek: don't spying here! |
| 15:50.30 | asg | majkl: http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/rr.html |
| 15:50.38 | vanbastek | prizman: ;) |
| 15:50.44 | vanbastek | traitor |
| 15:50.46 | Kadran | hi all, i use kubuntu and loved the ease of use it had, does debian is better?? |
| 15:50.52 | asg | majkl: also #dns may know |
| 15:50.58 | asg | Kadran: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:50.59 | prizman | vanbastek: pfff, i know that you are using Slackware! |
| 15:51.00 | prizman | :) |
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| 15:51.07 | vanbastek | ;p |
| 15:51.19 | majkl | asg: thnx |
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| 15:53.13 | cahoot | Kadran: it's all in the eye of the beholder |
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| 15:54.32 | Kadran | cahoot: kubuntu is debian based so what is the difference? |
| 15:54.48 | valdyn | @based on debian |
| 15:54.49 | cahoot | Kadran: no ide, never tried it |
| 15:54.52 | Kadran | cahoot: all pakages are *.deb |
| 15:54.58 | gartt | The difference is that kubuntu is for morons who rely on GUI to get everything done |
| 15:55.10 | cahoot | gartt: brilliant - indeed |
| 15:55.37 | marco13185 | when are they planning on fixing the xfce metapackage? |
| 15:55.40 | marco13185 | in unstable |
| 15:55.59 | asg | marco13185: check the bts, when it's fixed there, watch for it in incoming |
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| 15:57.36 | thethinman | Just installed latest stable of Debian. The highest resolution I can get my screen is 800x600. No option for higher. |
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| 15:57.51 | thethinman | How can I get higher? |
| 15:57.53 | laney_ | How can I install ezmlm on unstable? I think it's there in non-free, but apt says it can't find it and aptitude lists it as unavailabe. |
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| 15:58.15 | mike11234 | hi is it possible to put a linux machine in like a low power mode like susspend and then have it come back to life so to speak at the press of a key or at a certain time |
| 15:58.17 | laney_ | thethinman, You'll need to edit your x config file. |
| 15:58.23 | magyar | anyone using postfix? |
| 15:58.27 | cshaman | Ahoy. |
| 15:58.42 | laney_ | mike11234, yes if your system hardware is supported by the kernel. |
| 15:58.46 | thethinman | laney_, thanks! |
| 15:58.50 | cshaman | I'd like to install some other languages on my box so that I can see foreign characters in X apps. How might I do this? |
| 15:58.59 | prizman | mike11234: it is possible to suspend it |
| 15:59.00 | prizman | :) |
| 15:59.04 | thingfish | laney_: don't tell people that. |
| 15:59.09 | tralala | !drxx thethinman |
| 15:59.09 | dpkg | thethinman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:59.11 | laney_ | thethinman, google search on your video card make and model and you might find someone who's already done it. |
| 15:59.24 | leosol_ | is there a good channel for MySQL questions? trying to get mysqli extension working, no good docs for the inexperienced |
| 15:59.43 | mike11234 | how would you go about suspending a linux machine |
| 15:59.49 | vanbastek | suspen2 |
| 15:59.50 | tralala | laney_: editing config files is not the debian way |
| 15:59.54 | vanbastek | *suspend2 |
| 15:59.58 | thingfish | thethinman: there also might be accelerated drivers for your vidcard. |
| 16:00.01 | asg | laney_: looks like it's been removed |
| 16:00.04 | laney_ | oh sorry, gentoo guy here. |
| 16:00.25 | asg | laney_: since it djbware anyway, you should just install it from source |
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| 16:00.42 | mike11234 | ah suspend 2 i have seen that i wasent sure if that would do what i wanted because it said something like it was like to the hibernate thing on windows |
| 16:01.08 | leosol_ | anyone had to install mysqli, without re-compiling mysql entirely? |
| 16:01.18 | thingfish | tralala: well, sometimes it is, but definitely not in this case. |
| 16:01.19 | laney_ | asg, thanks... been trying but his source won't compile because it is oddly written. My fixes to it result in non working programs. =( Thanks for the info, though I might have to add non-free search to my config or something. |
| 16:01.42 | asg | laney_: doesn't look like it's in non-free either, at least on unstable |
| 16:02.35 | asg | laney_: that's odd though since his stuff usually compiles just fine on any Unix system. You might need to apply the errno patch but the install docs will tell you about that. |
| 16:02.50 | mike11234 | so that will function prety much like the windos equivlent of susspend |
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| 16:03.03 | gentoofreak | hello all |
| 16:03.13 | vanbastek | :)) |
| 16:03.20 | asg | mike11234: acpi if your system isn't from a broken manufacturer. Check tuxmobile.org and acpi.sourceforge.net |
| 16:03.29 | gentoofreak | vanbastek: would you like to flame with me? |
| 16:03.30 | gentoofreak | :)) |
| 16:03.45 | vanbastek | da |
| 16:03.54 | gentoofreak | so... |
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| 16:04.06 | gentoofreak | what you think 'bout debian? |
| 16:04.08 | mike11234 | all i want is just to reduce power to my machine for a bit so its effectivley of when its not going to be in use and then for it to be restored at a certain time |
| 16:04.27 | gentoofreak | mike11234: stop crying and go to suspend2.net |
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| 16:04.57 | laney_ | asg, he's got this weird extern definition of void log(void) in log.h, then he has it redef'd in log.c as void log(char *,char *) and gcc doesn't like it... I did the errno patch no problem. I can compile by removing the extern def, but the install program hands in a read() syscall and other things are weird. |
| 16:05.02 | valdyn | mike11234: suspend2 aka suspend to disk is zero power.. |
| 16:05.18 | laney_ | hands -> hangs |
| 16:05.25 | rudolph | . |
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| 16:06.14 | asg | laney_: ah, okay. I haven't used ezmlm in a long time. |
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| 16:07.45 | zrin | I've disabled ipv6 in modutils/aliases, did update-modules, rebooted, but ipv6 is still there causing approx. 12s delay on almost every TCP connection. I'd like to turn it off - please help if you can |
| 16:09.45 | iturk | what can be passed to apt-get in order to download and reistall the packages again can someone give an example ?? |
| 16:10.07 | streuner | iturk: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 16:11.21 | iturk | streuner: but i want him to download again |
| 16:11.34 | iturk | because its givin error during unpack |
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| 16:11.47 | streuner | show us the error in paster bot |
| 16:11.51 | streuner | !paste |
| 16:11.51 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 16:13.02 | iturk | hstreuner: ttp://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 16:13.23 | iturk | streuner: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 16:14.27 | Trewas | zrin: one way to be sure of disablng ipv6 is to delete the modules, they are in /lib/modules/2.6.15-21-686/kernel/net/ipv6/ (where 2.6.* is whatever your kernel version is) |
| 16:15.02 | Trewas | deleting them won't cause any bad side-effects but they wo't be disabled until after next reboot |
| 16:15.25 | iturk | streuner: a tentar sobre-escrever `/usr/share/aclocal/wxwin.m4', que também está no pacote wxwin2.4-headers :: trying to subcrive '...' that its in packet wxwin2.4-headers |
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| 16:15.50 | thingfish | !br |
| 16:15.50 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:16.10 | zrin | Trewas: thank you I'm just rebooting after renaming ipv6.ko and ipv6_tunnel or what was the name |
| 16:16.17 | iturk | i know english dont worry |
| 16:16.20 | thingfish | oh hehe sorry |
| 16:16.26 | thingfish | I see now. |
| 16:16.32 | thingfish | <red faced> |
| 16:16.40 | streuner | iturk: the URL is NOT ok. |
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| 16:17.06 | iturk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 16:17.10 | streuner | no |
| 16:17.16 | streuner | try again |
| 16:17.30 | iturk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2495 |
| 16:17.33 | zrin | Trewas: but the delay is still there!?! telnet ftp.at.debian.org - 12s, telnet -4 ... <1s, apt-get update - 12s delay |
| 16:17.35 | c0ntex | i hate hackers |
| 16:17.43 | iturk | ok i was usted to the other pastbin |
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| 16:18.07 | Trewas | zrin: hmm, check with lsmod if the ipv6 module is still loaded? |
| 16:18.16 | zrin | Trewas: it is gone |
| 16:18.37 | fantomas | Hi. Is there DeltaRPM package for Debain sarge? I need 'applydeltaiso' program from there |
| 16:18.47 | streuner | iturk: ok, and we need the sources.list too |
| 16:18.56 | Trewas | zrin: then I'd guess your problem is something else than ipv6 (unless it is compiled into kernel) |
| 16:19.54 | zrin | Trewas: well ipv6 was loaded before renaming and it is not there after renaming + rebooting; still there is a difference betweeen telnet <adr> and telnet -4 <adr> |
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| 16:20.14 | iturk | streuner: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2496 |
| 16:20.44 | iturk | streuner: it comes from the last line |
| 16:20.50 | streuner | iturk: yes |
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| 16:20.59 | iturk | i just added a few minutes ago |
| 16:21.10 | streuner | iturk: well, its not official |
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| 16:21.21 | mc__ | fantomas, if you want to install rpm's install alien |
| 16:21.46 | iturk | streuner: i was trying to install this -> http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/pgadmin3/release/debian/dists/sarge/pgadmin/binary-i386/ |
| 16:21.53 | Trewas | zrin: I had some problems (in ubuntu) with ipv6 and they were fixed when I removed or renamed the modules |
| 16:21.59 | pmitros | Does Debian keep a log anywhere of packages I've installed? I'm running stable, and I would like to know what changes have been made in the past week or so. Internet implies there might be a /var/log/dpkg in some versions, but there isn't on my systems |
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| 16:22.27 | pmitros | (I think /var/log/dpkg was added after stable shipped) |
| 16:22.28 | cshaman | Is there a way to install support for other languages? |
| 16:22.38 | Trewas | zrin: I don't know if it could still be trying to resolve ipv6 addresses even withouth ipv6 support in kernel |
| 16:22.47 | mc__ | cshaman, locales |
| 16:23.01 | streuner | pmitros: tried ls -lt /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 16:23.26 | minerale | which man page would cover sytax for [u,d,f]mask ... I am not understanding how this mask works |
| 16:23.39 | iturk | streuner: ok so should i forget about it make a upgrade to unstable or download the packages then use dpkg :: what do you think is the best solution ?? |
| 16:23.39 | cshaman | mc__: Is this an application? |
| 16:23.46 | cshaman | I don't seem to have it installed. |
| 16:24.05 | pmitros | strenuer: Thanks. I should be able to extract what I need from that. |
| 16:24.10 | mc__ | cshaman, no a locale is not a programm |
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| 16:24.34 | streuner | iturk: no idea |
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| 16:24.58 | jonas23 | okay #debian, i got everything installed and running (albeit in a strange and worrying way) |
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| 16:25.20 | streuner | iturk: but, its prolly not in debian at all |
| 16:25.58 | valdyn | Trewas: it could |
| 16:26.03 | iturk | streuner: actually the application its working without that library i hope it doesnt crash |
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| 16:27.02 | minerale | is it possible to 'rename' workspaces in gnome? |
| 16:27.04 | streuner | iturk: dpkg: erro ao processar /var/cache/apt/archives/pgadmin3-libwxgtk2ud2.6_2.6.0-0.2.sarge.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:27.04 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.14 | streuner | iturk: what does that mean in english? |
| 16:27.35 | valdyn | minerale: yes sure |
| 16:27.47 | streuner | ah, ic, package wxwin2.4-headers isn't installed |
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| 16:28.06 | streuner | or conflicts |
| 16:28.23 | minerale | valdyn: how ? |
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| 16:28.41 | libertad0 | hi all |
| 16:28.43 | streuner | !find wxwin.m4 sarge |
| 16:28.44 | valdyn | minerale: rightclick on the workspace switcher applet and chose properties |
| 16:28.51 | iturk | streuner: error in processing '...' that its in package wxwin2.4-headers |
| 16:28.53 | fourat | how to create a local repository for my deb packages ? i should use 'update' to create the Packages file, but i dont know where to get it |
| 16:28.53 | libertad0 | I have that error, please help me http://pastebin.com/701980 |
| 16:28.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wxwin.m4' (1): (/usr/share/aclocal/wxwin.m4) in devel/wxwin2.4-headers. |
| 16:29.00 | libertad0 | that is a source.list error http://pastebin.com/701980 |
| 16:29.11 | jetscreamer | !tell fourat -about repository |
| 16:29.49 | fourat | thx |
| 16:30.01 | streuner | iturk: well, you see that for youself, it conflicts with wxwin2.4-headers which have wxwin.m4 too, bad package |
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| 16:30.56 | libertad0 | streuner, with me? |
| 16:31.02 | libertad0 | please, someone help me |
| 16:31.03 | Kaeles | when i use apt-get to install apache2 should it create the /etc/apache2 stuff for me? |
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| 16:31.31 | iturk | streuner: i see |
| 16:32.06 | streuner | libertad0: do you know 'Bobbitt'? |
| 16:32.06 | valdyn | Kaeles: depends |
| 16:32.12 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 16:32.12 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 16:32.12 | iturk | streuner: so its now well represented in debian |
| 16:32.18 | gary | I would like to download files on my client machine in firefox, but would like to save them to a remove destination. At the minute I save them, then drag them over using nautilus. Is there an easy way to do this? Perhaps create an symbolic link with ssh:// as the target? Any other ideas? Or a firefox extension or something? |
| 16:32.24 | iturk | not i mean |
| 16:32.42 | valdyn | Kaeles: config files are provided by apache2-common and they are not recreated if you manually removed them |
| 16:32.43 | Kaeles | valdyn: how can i get it to? |
| 16:32.52 | Kaeles | oh ok |
| 16:32.59 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 16:32.59 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 16:33.09 | Kaeles | so if i remove apache2-common and re apt-get it it should recreate them? |
| 16:33.17 | valdyn | Kaeles: no |
| 16:33.23 | Kaeles | great... |
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| 16:34.12 | streuner | libertad0: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:34.42 | libertad0 | wait me streuner |
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| 16:35.08 | libertad0 | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:35.13 | thingfish | gary: can you mount that remote location to maybe /mnt/remote and do it like that? |
| 16:35.23 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 16:35.30 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-7 (etch), Packaged size: 4613 kB, Installed size: 10920 kB |
| 16:35.36 | gary | thingfish: hmm, good idea |
| 16:35.37 | gary | oh |
| 16:35.42 | gary | don't think I have samba on the server though |
| 16:35.45 | gary | I could install it |
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| 16:36.08 | libertad0 | streuner, can you se? |
| 16:36.16 | streuner | yes, reinstall |
| 16:36.26 | streuner | and read sid faq |
| 16:36.28 | libertad0 | what ? |
| 16:36.29 | streuner | !sid faq |
| 16:36.29 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 16:37.14 | libertad0 | ok |
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| 16:38.39 | Kaeles | well it says to purge apache2-common and reinstall it |
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| 16:38.45 | Kaeles | how do i go about doing that? |
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| 16:40.01 | kzar | silly question: When I login to my server it says I have no new mails, even when I do. I think this is because I am using mailboxes. Anyway how would I get it to count the emails in mailboxes instead? |
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| 16:41.32 | sinisterr | umm is it ok to dload a .deb ie supybot from sid and transfer to a sarge box and have dpkg install the sid .deb on the sarge box > |
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| 16:42.03 | valdyn | sinisterr: nope |
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| 16:42.29 | sinisterr | ok valdyn thanks |
| 16:42.37 | minerale | When I plug in my usb drive, the ntfs partition mounts but the dmask and fmask permissions are messed up, where can I fix that? (i could add it in /fstab, but then it would mess it up if I plugin a non ntfs usb drive ) |
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| 16:43.53 | jetscreamer | mount that one in a different place, or reference the partition by it's uuid in fstab (i think that works) |
| 16:44.15 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 16:44.30 | aarchie | Whenever I open an mp3 in Konqueror by browsing in through "media:/" and double clicking on it, the file is copied to /home/<user>/ before being opened in Noatun. I have a freshly installed copy of Debian testing (etch) which has KDE 3.5.2. Is this expected behaviour when browsing local drives in that way? |
| 16:44.37 | jetscreamer | which is what all the frickin devs want anyway |
| 16:44.46 | jetscreamer | /rant |
| 16:45.11 | chealer | aarchie: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:45.29 | aarchie | chelae |
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| 16:45.49 | ephracis | I can't find any kde-extra-gears package for Etch. I wanted to try skype in kopete. Should I just wait for it to show up? |
| 16:46.09 | aarchie | chealer, ta. Had tried #kde, then here.. I'll give that a shot. |
| 16:46.25 | chealer | ephracis: that will unlikely show up, as there's already kde-extras |
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| 16:47.35 | roob | Does anyone know how I can forward email coming to root@myserver to my gmail account? I'm running postfix.. Haven't figured this out yet.. |
| 16:47.57 | bbrazil | roob: edit /etc/aliases and run newaliases |
| 16:47.58 | ephracis | chealer: but when will etch get skype support in kopete then? Will kde move it to kde-extras? |
| 16:48.58 | roob | bbrazil: ok, thanks, I did that. And the mail.log shows it works, but it doesn't arrive at my gmail account. I'll try with a different account, not gmail. Thanks :) |
| 16:49.00 | chealer | ephracis: I don't understand what you mean by "Will kde move it to kde-extras?" |
| 16:49.19 | chealer | ephracis: AFAIK, there is no skype support in kopete in Debian yet |
| 16:49.57 | ephracis | ok, nevermind I guess.. |
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| 16:51.44 | xored | are specific ports to be opened to run a apt-get update ? |
| 16:53.25 | leosol_ | i'm going bananas |
| 16:53.56 | leosol_ | is there ANY way to get the mysqli extensions installed w/ OUT having to re-complie PHP? I'm trying to stick to the debian way, but that way just doesn't seem to be working. |
| 16:54.02 | libertad0 | what is that error http://pastebin.com/702023 |
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| 16:54.17 | RainbowW | so my load average is 30.63. i'm guessing that's bad. :) |
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| 16:54.58 | leosol_ | i just did an apt-get install php5-mysql |
| 16:55.01 | leosol_ | and still no dice |
| 16:55.12 | jetscreamer | do it again |
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| 16:55.37 | leosol_ | jetscreamer: do it again? |
| 16:55.49 | bbrazil | xored: http/ftp depending on your sources.list |
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| 16:57.11 | jetscreamer | yeah do the apt-get update again |
| 16:57.34 | jetscreamer | sorry i meant that for libertad0 |
| 16:57.48 | libertad0 | ok jetscream, |
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| 16:59.03 | administrator__ | Debian Unstable, http://pastebin.com/702026 |
| 16:59.15 | blondie | administrator__: what about it |
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| 16:59.47 | administrator__ | well, I need help on how on to fix it :) |
| 17:00.24 | minerale | Is there some pre-made addon that allows for right click -> "terminal here" on a folder ? |
| 17:00.26 | geekboi | Ever since I upgraded my kernel via apt to 2.6.15-1-686, I never see anything needing update when I do apt-get update/upgrade. apt-get upgrade always says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:01.26 | _rares_ | most of the updates are in the unstable experimental |
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| 17:01.37 | geekboi | I'm running testing/unstable |
| 17:02.16 | administrator__ | blondie: could you help? |
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| 17:02.52 | blondie | administrator__: you didn't ask a question |
| 17:03.04 | administrator__ | blondie: well, how to fix that? |
| 17:03.23 | blondie | administrator__: fix what? |
| 17:03.52 | hmakholm | geekboi: Do you see new Packages files downloading when you run apt-get update? |
| 17:04.06 | dooglus | how can I tell nautilus to use mplayer to open .avi files instead of totem? |
| 17:04.10 | hmakholm | geekboi: Are you running stable? testing? unstable? |
| 17:04.15 | administrator__ | blondie: http://pastebin.com/702026 |
| 17:04.31 | cshaman | Has anyone here had any luck compiling Quake on Linux? |
| 17:04.48 | mc__ | cshaman, lol dont waste your time mate |
| 17:05.24 | geekboi | hmakholm: debian_version says testing/unstable, sources.list says etch |
| 17:05.26 | cshaman | mc__: My Linux box is weak; 500mhz Intel Celeron with 128mb ram. I need games. |
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| 17:05.57 | mc__ | cshaman, my boox is also weak 700mhz via c |
| 17:06.05 | mc__ | via c3* |
| 17:06.30 | mc__ | cshaman, do something usefull,code something |
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| 17:06.58 | hmakholm | geekboi: Which version does 'apt-cache show kluppe' show you? |
| 17:07.08 | cshaman | mc__: I want to able to enjoy my box to the fullest; I already code, but haven't been able to play a solid FPS. |
| 17:07.18 | cshaman | I own Quake and Quake 2, and I would like to install it on here. |
| 17:07.28 | mc__ | cshaman, you dont have to compile it |
| 17:07.50 | Blissex | cshaman: there are ready-made Quake and Quake2 packages in the repository |
| 17:07.50 | mc__ | i think there's a quake package somewhere in contrib |
| 17:08.13 | Blissex | cshaman: all you have to do is to add the WAD files from the commercial version. |
| 17:08.33 | Blissex | cshaman: there are nice HOWTOs/tutorials on running Quake and Quake2 on Debian. |
| 17:09.08 | cshaman | Blissex: apt-cache search quake returns no results of that kind. |
| 17:09.11 | Blissex | cshaman: and since Quake and Quake2 (the engine only) have become GPL'ed they even look a lot better now than the did originally, as there are upgraded versions available. |
| 17:09.23 | geekboi | Version: 0.6.3-1 |
| 17:09.30 | Blissex | cshaman: you need to add the right repository as <mc__> was hinting. |
| 17:10.01 | cshaman | Blissex: How might I add a repository? |
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| 17:10.24 | cshaman | I download package caches from 12-15 servers, surely at least one of them would have the quake packages. |
| 17:10.36 | Blissex | cshaman: by editing '/etc/apt/sources.list' appositely. There are many tutorials/HOWTOs for that too. |
| 17:10.37 | hmakholm | geekboi: OK, then apt does know about the testing migration of last Thursday. Are there any packages in particular that you would expect to upgrade? |
| 17:11.08 | Blissex | cshaman: and a repository is different type of collection of packages, while you probably are thinking of 12-15 mirrors perhaps. |
| 17:11.30 | samuel | wow... 1.22 million pages for "debian vs ubuntu"... didnt know that subject was so interesting |
| 17:11.55 | geekboi | hmakholm: I just switched sources.list from using the mirror my hosting provider has to one at secsup.org, and it's downloading a whole crapload of stuff |
| 17:12.08 | Blissex | cshaman: also, there are a number of unofficial repos for games... |
| 17:12.22 | hmakholm | geekboi: OK. So, when did your problem start? |
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| 17:12.50 | cshaman | Blissex: Ah, yes. I was thinking "mirrors". |
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| 17:13.13 | cshaman | Blissex: Are the quake1/2 game engines unstable or testing? |
| 17:13.24 | geekboi | hmakholm: It seems that it started right after I upgraded to 2.6.15-1-686 via apt |
| 17:13.33 | hmakholm | geekboi: But WHEN was that? |
| 17:13.52 | geekboi | hmakholm: Couple weeks, I think |
| 17:13.55 | Blissex | cshaman: more like 'contrib' as <mc__> was mentioning I think... |
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| 17:14.37 | CBTC | any idea why all my browsers (when a box pops up) does not show english, but shows little boxes with numbers or letters in them |
| 17:14.42 | hmakholm | geekboi: That is strange. The kluppe check established that your apt _has_ downloaded the new package directory somewhen since this last Thursday,,, |
| 17:14.54 | CBTC | looks like a language issue but I cant figure it out |
| 17:15.28 | geekboi | I think you missed it a bit earlier when I switched respoitories |
| 17:15.30 | hmakholm | CBTC: Four digits in each little box? If the first two digts are zeros, you have yourself a font problem instead. |
| 17:15.36 | geekboi | repositories even. |
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| 17:15.45 | geekboi | Damn ergonomic keyboard |
| 17:15.52 | SammyGurl | How do I check which version of php I'm using? |
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| 17:15.59 | hmakholm | geekboi: Ok, so you did the kluppe thing after switching? |
| 17:16.07 | signature16 | is Maildir format or mbox format better for Postfix? which would be easier to start out with? |
| 17:16.08 | CBTC | hmakhol: some of them start with zeros some start with letter and other numbers too |
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| 17:16.29 | cshaman | Blissex, there is nothing really related to Debian repositories in the official debian reference :( |
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| 17:16.35 | CBTC | hmakholm: some of them start with zeros some start with letter and other numbers too |
| 17:16.49 | Blissex | cshaman: your search-fu needs improving |
| 17:17.00 | hmakholm | CBTC: If any of them start with 002, 003, 004, 005, 006, or 007, your fonts are seriously fscked. |
| 17:17.02 | geekboi | hmakholm: Yeah. I'll switch back and run the test again |
| 17:17.14 | hmakholm | geekboi: Don't bother. |
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| 17:17.30 | CBTC | so then debian doesn't install fonts properly, is that what your saying, as this is a fresh install |
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| 17:17.59 | hmakholm | geekboi: It seems you have solved your problem by switching mirrors, right? Must have been a coincidence that your ISP's mirror died right after you upgraded your kernel. |
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| 17:19.00 | hmakholm | CBTC: What I'm saying is that either some core fonts are missing, or they are there but your browser don't find them. *If* any of your boxes start with one of those six combinations, that is. |
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| 17:19.40 | hmakholm | geekboi: Oh, don't mention it. |
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| 17:19.49 | SammyGurl | what is the best way to check the version of php I'm using? |
| 17:19.52 | RainbowW | is there a way to create a ram drive without a reboot? |
| 17:20.08 | flipmcf | hi. Got this library I need to install. apt-cache search can't find it, but I've found the .deb it off of packages.debian.org How can I point sources.list here so apt can do it? |
| 17:20.33 | CBTC | hmakholm: well any ideas how to fix it, not even sure it is like this I literally just finished installing debian now |
| 17:20.43 | flipmcf | It's unstable, and sources.list is also pointed to unstable |
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| 17:21.08 | hmakholm | CBTC: Well, _did_ any of the 002-007 codes show up, yes or no? |
| 17:21.22 | CBTC | as I said before, some yes some no |
| 17:21.55 | CBTC | some start 00, some start 0A, some 0D etc |
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| 17:22.08 | geekboi | Sorry for the abrupt departure |
| 17:22.15 | hmakholm | RainbowW: The brute-force method is just to create a subdirectory of /dev/shm - it should already be there. |
| 17:22.23 | geekboi | Looks like my ISP's mirror decided to symlink unstable to etch |
| 17:23.04 | Kovecses | geekboi, why would I ISP do that? |
| 17:23.10 | Kovecses | an* |
| 17:23.13 | Kovecses | not I |
| 17:23.18 | hmakholm | CBTC: That is a strange set of combinations. Can you quote an entire box (all four digits) starting with 00 and one starting with 0A, just for example. |
| 17:23.50 | CBTC | uhmmm not really |
| 17:23.55 | CBTC | they friggin long as hell |
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| 17:24.23 | hmakholm | CBTC: There should only be four digits/letters in each of those boxes. Otherwise I have misunderstood you right from the beginning. |
| 17:24.30 | CBTC | yea |
| 17:24.36 | CBTC | and there's like 40 boxes |
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| 17:24.44 | cshaman | Why is it that I can find the Quake2 package on the Debian.org website but not in apt? |
| 17:24.47 | CBTC | in some cases more |
| 17:24.49 | geekboi | Kovecses: Dunno |
| 17:24.55 | hmakholm | CBTC: I'm just asking for a few samples, not all 40 of them. |
| 17:25.06 | Kovecses | geekboi, i dont think that is the case |
| 17:25.57 | hmakholm | cshaman: Probably because you are not tracking unstable in sources.list? |
| 17:26.03 | Kovecses | can someone point me to a link of how ext3 works? |
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| 17:26.14 | cshaman | hmakholm: It is in stable. |
| 17:26.18 | cshaman | It's part of contrib, though. |
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| 17:26.34 | marco13185 | how do I search for files? |
| 17:26.37 | Kovecses | quake2 is free? |
| 17:26.37 | marco13185 | I'm using xfce |
| 17:26.39 | hmakholm | cshaman: Well, do you have contrib in sources.list, then? |
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| 17:26.51 | hmakholm | marco13185: man find |
| 17:26.58 | Kovecses | marco13185, from the console |
| 17:27.01 | cshaman | I can't find a suitable document about adding contrib/stable/etc. to sources.list |
| 17:27.05 | marco13185 | thanks |
| 17:27.19 | hmakholm | cshaman: Duplicate the 'deb' line and change 'main' to 'contrib' |
| 17:27.19 | geekboi | lrwx 1 4 Mar 14 21:58 testing -> etch/ |
| 17:27.26 | CBTC | hmakholm: http://pastebin.com/702074 |
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| 17:27.37 | geekboi | Unstable is nowhere to be found on their mirror anymore |
| 17:27.38 | Kovecses | or just add contrib after main |
| 17:27.39 | jstevens | marco13185: Or, man locate for very simple searches. |
| 17:27.39 | CBTC | ahh crap |
| 17:27.41 | CBTC | nvm |
| 17:27.44 | hmakholm | geekboi: That's completely correct. |
| 17:27.46 | CBTC | doesnt show right there |
| 17:28.08 | Kovecses | like this |
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| 17:28.27 | Kovecses | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 17:28.41 | Kovecses | except no non-free if you want only free packages |
| 17:28.46 | hmakholm | CBTC: Good enough. In that sample there should be _no_ boxes that start with 00, and your font problem is not as severe as I though. |
| 17:28.58 | geekboi | Hrm. http://pastebin.com/702079 |
| 17:29.10 | CBTC | hmakholm: 0AAB | 0ACD | 0A85 | 0AAA | etc..... |
| 17:29.14 | raf256 | is there some good logwatch for desktop? |
| 17:29.27 | geekboi | That's the dists directory on my ISPs mirror |
| 17:29.36 | raf256 | that scans (like tail -f) given file(s) and report (sound, beep, popup box, etc) when given string / regexp is found? |
| 17:29.37 | hmakholm | CBTC: Yes. No double-zeros there. Then it looks like a language problem rather than a font one. |
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| 17:30.18 | hmakholm | geekboi: Well, if they decide to drop unstable it's their choice. Testing has been etch for almost a year, and unstable never was and never will be etch. |
| 17:30.25 | CBTC | hmakholm: well there are no other languages installed and this is an absolute fresh install which finished about 30min ago' |
| 17:30.43 | Kovecses | geekboi, what do you mean when you say isp? |
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| 17:31.01 | Kovecses | geekboi, your isp has debian mirrors? |
| 17:31.19 | geekboi | Kovecses: Hosting Provider. LayeredTech |
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| 17:32.01 | geekboi | Might be time to drop them a line and ask them to carry unstable again. It's nice to get 10MB/sec connections to the mirrors |
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| 17:32.04 | Kovecses | geekboi, why dont you just use regular mirrors? |
| 17:32.19 | geekboi | Kovecses: See above :) |
| 17:32.24 | CBTC | hmakholm: are you able to help me out |
| 17:32.27 | hmakholm | CBTC: Well, for some wonderful reason your browser is trying to speak to you in a Sikh script called Gurmukhi. Let's try to find out why. |
| 17:32.45 | jstevens | raf256: root tail is kind of interesting. I don't believe it's maintained anymore. |
| 17:32.50 | Kovecses | geekboi, i want here |
| 17:32.52 | Kovecses | wasnt |
| 17:32.53 | cshaman | hmakholm: Thanks for the help! |
| 17:32.55 | hmakholm | CBTC: First experiment: Close the browser and start a new one. |
| 17:33.05 | CBTC | hmakholm: if it helps any |
| 17:33.11 | CBTC | this happens in ALL my browsers |
| 17:33.24 | CBTC | FF, Opera, Moz |
| 17:33.27 | hmakholm | CBTC: If it doesn't help at least we have learned that it doesn't. That's information too. |
| 17:33.28 | geekboi | Kovecses: Since it's local to their network, I get 10Mb/sec connections to the mirrors |
| 17:33.51 | hmakholm | CBTC: How are you starting the browser? From the menu system or from a command line? |
| 17:33.59 | Kovecses | geekboi, thats pretty cool that they have debian mirrors |
| 17:34.07 | CBTC | tried both |
| 17:34.14 | CBTC | hmakholm: Ive tried both |
| 17:34.44 | hmakholm | CBTC: Ok, still have one of the shells you tried from around? |
| 17:35.07 | CBTC | hmakholm: PC is local to me |
| 17:35.07 | marco13185 | how do I change the default mplayer video output? |
| 17:35.08 | geekboi | Kovecses: They have decent packages starting from $69/mo |
| 17:35.09 | jstevens | raf256: There is actually a Debian package. I'm a bit surprised. Anyway, check it out. |
| 17:35.20 | Kovecses | geekboi, ripoff |
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| 17:35.51 | Kovecses | geekboi, internet access is free didnt you know? |
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| 17:35.59 | hmakholm | CBTC: Um, what I asked is whether you still have the particular shell _window_ you tried from alive. Oh well. Just take _any_ shell window, and show us the output of the 'locale' command. |
| 17:36.07 | marco13185 | how do I change the default mplayer video output? |
| 17:36.23 | CBTC | hmakholm: oh, misunderstood, sorry, yes it is still open |
| 17:36.28 | Kovecses | marco13185, click on the little wrench icon and go into the video tab |
| 17:36.45 | marco13185 | Kovecses, heh, that leads to another question, how do I run mplayer in GUI mode |
| 17:36.51 | Kovecses | marco13185, gmplayer |
| 17:36.56 | marco13185 | Kovecses, thanks |
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| 17:37.14 | geekboi | Kovecses: This is a dedicated server with 100 Mb/sec connection and 300 gb of storage. It's nice to not have a shitty upload speed :) |
| 17:37.25 | Noboru | ext3 JFX XFX ,which is better ? |
| 17:37.35 | Kovecses | depends |
| 17:37.49 | Blissex | Noboru: usually JFS, except for extreme cases. |
| 17:37.55 | Kovecses | ext3 is stable |
| 17:38.07 | quitte | Blissex: about 30 minutes ago you said there was an howto for quake and quake2? i guess it turned out you were talking about doom. but if you can tell me how to get quake running you make me happy |
| 17:38.11 | Noboru | usually JFS ? so JFS has been tested enough ? |
| 17:38.14 | CBTC | hmakholm: http://pastebin.com/702095 |
| 17:38.19 | matrixhasu | Noboru, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 17:38.26 | Blissex | Noboru: but as <Kovecses> says it depends. |
| 17:38.33 | Blissex | matrixhasu: noooo that article is terrible. |
| 17:38.36 | Kovecses | quitte, there is a java port that is free |
| 17:38.44 | matrixhasu | Blissex, why...? |
| 17:38.56 | hmakholm | CBTC: Hm, that looks exactly as it ought to. |
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| 17:39.07 | Blissex | matrixhasu: the measurements are all wrong. I put a number of comments as to why. |
| 17:39.16 | quitte | Kovecses: uhm good. i wont use it, thanks. |
| 17:39.25 | hmakholm | CBTC: In which precise situations do you get strange characters from your browser? |
| 17:39.29 | Blissex | matrixhasu: also, links to my blog entries that have amuch more information. |
| 17:39.33 | Blissex | quitte: wait a sec... |
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| 17:39.43 | CBTC | hard to explain all of them |
| 17:39.46 | CBTC | but |
| 17:39.52 | CBTC | the easiest one to explain |
| 17:40.02 | quitte | Blissex: i know about quakeworld - but i want good old single player quake. |
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| 17:40.13 | Blissex | quitte: but it is the same! |
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| 17:40.19 | matrixhasu | Blissex, i'm gonna give a look to your blog |
| 17:40.35 | hmakholm | CBTC: (Easy on the enter key. Scrollback space is valuable in a busy channel) |
| 17:40.47 | quitte | Blissex: when i last had a look quakeworld was multiplayer only. well ill give it another try |
| 17:40.55 | Blissex | Noboru: matrixhasu: latest speed tests... http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060424b |
| 17:41.06 | marco13185 | is there any flash package that doesn't cause alsa to lag? |
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| 17:41.57 | CBTC | hmakholm: I go to my local address for webmin. and the box that pops open asking me if I want to accept the ssl cert..... well that ENTIRE box is in this funky code other than the 'Cancel' 'HELP' 'OK' buttons |
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| 17:42.00 | deprived | marco, not that I know of :( |
| 17:42.02 | Noboru | Thanks,checking |
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| 17:42.20 | Blissex | Noboru: matrixhasu: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-3rd.html#050911 this and the three preceding entries have lots of comaprative information |
| 17:42.27 | flipmcf | I'm confused... can someone help me make my life easier? |
| 17:42.29 | deprived | marco, you'll be better off with Windows instead, I guess |
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| 17:42.35 | Fraze | Hello.. I'm trying to mount my usb flash key on sarge, and I get error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1", I've checked dmesg | tail and didn' |
| 17:42.39 | Fraze | t understand what to do.. |
| 17:42.43 | Noboru | Blissex, :) |
| 17:42.47 | Fraze | it says: "FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors |
| 17:42.47 | Fraze | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1 |
| 17:42.49 | Fraze | " |
| 17:42.50 | flipmcf | re: apt / installs and upgrades |
| 17:42.55 | Fraze | What can I do? |
| 17:42.57 | hmakholm | CBTC: Same thing happens with the "not found" box if you try to go to http://asdasd.asdasd.asdasd.com/ ? |
| 17:43.20 | deprived | Never understood any use in using Linux |
| 17:43.29 | deprived | It's all a huge pile of shite |
| 17:43.31 | hmakholm | deprived: Why are you here, then? |
| 17:43.31 | Kovecses | why are you here then |
| 17:43.33 | c0rrupt` | im having some big problems with my debian box |
| 17:43.40 | c0rrupt` | my apache failed.. and its not booting anymore |
| 17:43.42 | Fraze | anybody? |
| 17:43.43 | Kovecses | TROLL |
| 17:43.45 | deprived | sorry for that |
| 17:43.48 | CBTC | hmakholm: need to try a diff url, that one actually takes me to a site |
| 17:43.49 | c0rrupt` | i try to start apache |
| 17:43.50 | c0rrupt` | it says |
| 17:43.50 | deprived | my apologies |
| 17:43.51 | CBTC | LMAO |
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| 17:43.56 | deprived | didn't mean to offend |
| 17:43.57 | deprived | really |
| 17:44.00 | c0rrupt` | (30)Read-only file system: apache2: could not open error log file /var/log/apache2/error.log. |
| 17:44.00 | c0rrupt` | Unable to open logs |
| 17:44.09 | Fraze | I'm unable to mount my usb key |
| 17:44.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:44.13 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:44.14 | c0rrupt` | i cant run the command "shutdown" |
| 17:44.19 | deprived | was trying to be an interesting converser |
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| 17:44.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's weekend, why are you here? |
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| 17:44.33 | mmiikkee12 | does debian's nano have .nanorc support? |
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| 17:44.36 | deprived | damn |
| 17:44.44 | deprived | Stephen King's dead |
| 17:44.49 | deprived | I can't stand that fact :( |
| 17:44.54 | Fraze | what?! |
| 17:44.55 | Kovecses | hes dead? |
| 17:44.56 | Fraze | really?! |
| 17:44.59 | deprived | truly an American icon :( |
| 17:45.04 | deprived | I was only joking |
| 17:45.09 | pavlix | hi |
| 17:45.14 | deprived | read that joke in some blog |
| 17:45.14 | CBTC | hmakholm: ok I tried some random junk url, and no everything in this box is in proper english and there's none of those boxes, although I just noticed that it is also down in the 'Status Bar' of FF |
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| 17:45.28 | deprived | it was popular a year or so ago |
| 17:45.34 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: despite the conversation you just saw this really is a debian channel :P |
| 17:45.38 | deprived | was used widely by trolls |
| 17:45.42 | quitte | deprived: do you have some debian related questions or problems we can help you with? |
| 17:45.45 | Fraze | Arrrggggggggg. |
| 17:45.48 | hmakholm | CBTC: Hmm. The plot thickens. Afraid I'm getting out of my depth here. |
| 17:45.54 | Fraze | So, please can somebody try to help me? |
| 17:45.58 | pavlix | mmiikkee12: thanks |
| 17:46.01 | tarzeau | quitte: man it's weekend |
| 17:46.08 | tarzeau | quitte: and we're not in china |
| 17:46.09 | c0rrupt` | wow |
| 17:46.15 | c0rrupt` | i think my hdd just fried |
| 17:46.18 | matrixhasu | Blissex, Noboru, I've give a fast read: you like JFS and I like XFS :) I'm using it in a couple od disks (120GB IDE, 250GB SATA) and I'm really satisfied of XFS |
| 17:46.19 | deprived | quitte: I think, yes. I just wanted to deinstall my version, while still keeping all my existing data |
| 17:46.24 | pavlix | My harddisk is very slow... I have nvidia chipset... |
| 17:46.25 | c0rrupt` | primary disk not found |
| 17:46.32 | quitte | tarzeau: that means that i shouldn#t tell him to please shut up? |
| 17:46.36 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: just old? |
| 17:46.45 | mmiikkee12 | has it always been like that? |
| 17:46.47 | tarzeau | quitte: was he so bad already? no it doesn't meant that... |
| 17:46.48 | pavlix | hdparm shows... |
| 17:46.48 | pavlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.48 | pavlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.50 | hmakholm | Fraze: Are you sure that is actually a FAT file system on that partition of the USB stick? |
| 17:46.55 | deprived | I just wanted to shut up myself :( |
| 17:46.56 | quitte | deprived: backup you home directory then |
| 17:47.00 | pavlix | mmiikkee12: mmiikkee12 it's quite new... |
| 17:47.11 | deprived | you just don't have to be crude to me :( |
| 17:47.14 | mmiikkee12 | hmm |
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| 17:47.19 | pavlix | and... dma appears to be of and i can't turn it on |
| 17:47.21 | deprived | I feel lonely here... |
| 17:47.23 | pavlix | *off |
| 17:47.26 | Blissex | matrixhasu: XFS is good, but for much bigger disks than that. |
| 17:47.38 | Fraze | hmakholm: Yeah |
| 17:47.43 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: how'd you get those timings? |
| 17:47.44 | Kovecses | deprived, go away you suck |
| 17:47.48 | Fraze | hmakholm: It works great on windows.. |
| 17:47.49 | hmakholm | Fraze: How? |
| 17:47.56 | pavlix | hdparm -Tt /dev/hda |
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| 17:48.01 | deprived | Kovecses: why are you so "friendly"? |
| 17:48.03 | signature16 | how should i set the permissions on /var/spool/mail? |
| 17:48.18 | deprived | how come you all use that pile of smelly Irish shite? |
| 17:48.19 | Fraze | hmakholm: I can check it again, if you think it's important. |
| 17:48.24 | Ronin | that bored today deprived you feel like trolling irc? |
| 17:48.26 | optraz | hi all..anyone knwo what is this? |
| 17:48.30 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: Timing cached reads: 2124 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1061.77 MB/sec |
| 17:48.30 | mmiikkee12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.31 | optraz | warning: restriction `non_fqdn_sender' after `reject' is ignored |
| 17:48.34 | mmiikkee12 | that's mine |
| 17:48.36 | deprived | Ronin: sort of... |
| 17:48.50 | hmakholm | Fraze: No, I'm not asking whether it works on Windows, but how you are sure it is a FAT file system. |
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| 17:48.56 | mmiikkee12 | so yours is being kinda slow |
| 17:48.57 | deprived | Ronin: what else can I do? |
| 17:49.03 | pavlix | mmiikkee12: it's very low too |
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| 17:49.06 | Fraze | hmakholm: One, second I'll do a check. |
| 17:49.14 | Ronin | get outside? read a book? get a hobby |
| 17:49.25 | Noboru | matrixhasu, hehe :) im thinking about take either one ,XFS or JFS |
| 17:49.25 | deprived | Ronin: I read far too many books :( |
| 17:49.29 | deprived | I feel stupid now |
| 17:49.32 | deprived | and contageous |
| 17:49.40 | tarzeau | deprived: which country you are in? |
| 17:49.41 | deprived | very much like Cobain |
| 17:49.47 | deprived | tarzeau: Latvia |
| 17:49.52 | Noboru | matrixhasu, they say fbsd will introduce XFS into fbsd hmmm |
| 17:49.59 | deprived | it feels so desolated here |
| 17:49.59 | tarzeau | deprived: does maps.google.com have very detailed maps of it? |
| 17:50.00 | CBTC | hmakholm: well lets assume the box came out with the funky coded boxes |
| 17:50.00 | deprived | :( |
| 17:50.05 | Ronin | he was stupid and contageous because he touched cortney |
| 17:50.08 | tarzeau | deprived: go somewhere else? |
| 17:50.21 | deprived | tarzeu: yes... if you want to see Riga, you'll get a detailed map |
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| 17:50.36 | deprived | I hope it's quite detailed for you |
| 17:50.41 | matrixhasu | Noboru, XFS was developed by SGI more than 10years ago; it's still here, and have interesting feature (hot resize) |
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| 17:50.53 | pavlix | mmiikkee12: you said you have 2.58 MB/sec |
| 17:50.55 | pavlix | ??? |
| 17:50.57 | deprived | tarzeau: where to? |
| 17:51.02 | pavlix | it's like mine... |
| 17:51.03 | deprived | where can I go? |
| 17:51.11 | matrixhasu | Noboru, if you can, give them a try both, and then choose what's best for your needs |
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| 17:51.12 | deprived | so stupid and lost and useless |
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| 17:51.14 | pavlix | and... les that a cdrom/cdwriter |
| 17:51.19 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: look at the first one |
| 17:51.24 | mmiikkee12 | no, that's my /dev/hda |
| 17:51.24 | deprived | a morron, that's what my friend always say |
| 17:51.32 | quitte | matrixhasu: reiser can that,too. and reiser can even shrink. offline only,though. and afaik jfs can grow online,too |
| 17:51.51 | tarzeau | deprived: somewhere where you feel better? |
| 17:51.53 | Akbar | 3 MB/sec? :S |
| 17:51.57 | Noboru | matrixhasu, yeah , by the way, XFS is good for a web server ? |
| 17:52.02 | tarzeau | deprived: i like switzerland, but then i haven't seen much yet... |
| 17:52.03 | Fraze | hmakholm: Like I thought, FAT32. |
| 17:52.11 | Blissex | quitte: wait, I forgot about your Quake stuff. On the case now. |
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| 17:52.18 | deprived | tarzeau: Switzerland's nice but not this time of year |
| 17:52.24 | hmakholm | Fraze: And which mount options are you using to try to mount it? |
| 17:52.36 | deprived | tarzeau: late fall is a perfect time to go there |
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| 17:52.46 | Blissex | Noboru: XFS is particularly good for large files on very large (1TB and over) RAID arrays. |
| 17:52.52 | deprived | tarzeu: I've been to Ireland this winter and I liked it a lot |
| 17:53.04 | Akbar | man who wants to trade their geforce for my radeon? :P |
| 17:53.08 | Fraze | hmakholm: /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 vfat rw,user,users,noauto,noatime,noauto 1 2 |
| 17:53.08 | pavlix | mmiikkee12: it's just... It takes me about ten minutes to copy a cd image inside one partition |
| 17:53.09 | deprived | tarzeau: but then I had to communicate with those bloody Irish |
| 17:53.27 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: mv \o |
| 17:53.29 | deprived | tarzeau: a sort of communication I couldn't stand |
| 17:53.30 | mmiikkee12 | (or ln) |
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| 17:53.48 | hmakholm | Fraze: Try using -t auto instead. |
| 17:53.49 | deprived | tarzeau: then I quit my job and crossed the border in the plane |
| 17:54.03 | deprived | went back to my home town |
| 17:54.03 | pavlix | mmiikkee12: alright |
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| 17:54.11 | deprived | but now I feel sick again |
| 17:54.13 | Fraze | hmakholm: One sec.. |
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| 17:54.16 | deprived | real nausea |
| 17:54.25 | pavlix | mmiikkee12: thanks for your advice and goodbye, I'm going to talk to google ;-) |
| 17:54.25 | Noboru | Blissex, that is hard to understand |
| 17:54.30 | deprived | when I feel like going to the town centre |
| 17:54.35 | tarzeau | deprived: hm |
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| 17:54.37 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: that's move and link (ie, why are you copying it? :P |
| 17:54.42 | Fraze | hmakholm: nothing.. |
| 17:54.43 | tarzeau | deprived: drink a glass of milk and sleep? |
| 17:54.47 | Fraze | hmakholm: didn't work i mean |
| 17:54.52 | marco13185 | how do I find out what filesystem is on my USB Mass Storage device, vfat isn't working |
| 17:54.53 | mmiikkee12 | pavlix: ok |
| 17:54.56 | pavlix | I am copying it to test the hd speed |
| 17:55.01 | mmiikkee12 | oh |
| 17:55.02 | deprived | tarzeau: thanks for advice... I'll try to get to sleep |
| 17:55.02 | hmakholm | Fraze: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
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| 17:55.09 | pavlix | ln or mv is no useful... |
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| 17:55.21 | deprived | it's hard to sleep when you feel desolated, though ;( |
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| 17:55.30 | pavlix | if I can't read my hdd at least as fast as i write to a cdrom :-( |
| 17:55.42 | Fraze | hmakholm: doesn't work as well |
| 17:55.48 | tarzeau | deprived: can you do anything that you like, and it'll make you tired? |
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| 17:56.05 | deprived | 'cause you go on and on with talking the same daily shite to yourself ;( |
| 17:56.05 | tarzeau | deprived: some sort of hobby? meet a friend and talk? sports? listen to music you love? |
| 17:56.16 | denoded | is there a way to convince dpkg-genchanges and & co that it is fine when only some of the declared binary packages are complited on some architectures from a common source package ? |
| 17:56.18 | tarzeau | deprived: think of something nice? look at photo albums? |
| 17:56.22 | hmakholm | Fraze: Are you sure that the USB stick is actually partitioned and that it's not all one filesystem? That happens sometimes, too. |
| 17:56.36 | Fraze | hmakholm: I did : "mount /media/usb -t" and /media/usb was still empty |
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| 17:56.42 | tarzeau | denoded: you need someone you can talk about non-daily stuff, like talk about everything person, you don't know any like that? |
| 17:56.53 | pavlix | or... is there anyone who'd know why I can't turn on dma on my hard drive? |
| 17:56.58 | Fraze | hmakholm: In windows I entered it I saw there files, in FAT32 |
| 17:57.23 | Fraze | hmakholm: And I checked with another working stick and it didn't work as well |
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| 17:57.24 | hmakholm | Fraze: Try a fully manual mount: "mount -t auto /media/usb /dev/sda1" |
| 17:57.46 | denoded | tarzeau, cant get your point ;-) ? |
| 17:57.54 | Fraze | hmakholm: Maybe /dev/sda1 is the problem.. cause /dev/sda3 is my hardisk. I'm using sata |
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| 17:58.13 | hmakholm | Fraze: Argh. Then /dev/sda<n> can never be your USB stick. |
| 17:58.31 | Fraze | hmakholm: So what can? |
| 17:58.35 | marco13185 | Fraze, use dmesg to find out |
| 17:58.38 | hmakholm | Fraze: Try /dev/sdb1 and so forth. |
| 17:58.49 | tuv | yelp (gnome help) starts galeon with an xml file that "does not appear to have any style information associated with it". how can browse gnome help? |
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| 17:58.55 | Fraze | hmakholm: Ok.. Checking it out.. |
| 17:58.57 | arachnist | gentoofreak: :> |
| 17:59.20 | gentoofreak | arachnist: :) |
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| 17:59.27 | tarzeau | denoded: get my point? |
| 17:59.36 | giwe | Do I need to have iptables to route my local wireless net through my linux desktop connected to the net? |
| 17:59.38 | tarzeau | denoded: sorry was for deprived... |
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| 18:00.15 | Fraze | hmakholm: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 18:00.23 | Fraze | hmakholm: and same for sdc1 |
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| 18:00.39 | marco13185 | ughh, how do I find out what filesystem my usb stick is using |
| 18:00.40 | Fraze | hmakholm: & sdd1 |
| 18:01.01 | hmakholm | marco13185: If you have the block device, try file -s /dev/xxxxx |
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| 18:01.27 | Fraze | hmakholm: YEs! |
| 18:01.31 | Fraze | hmakholm: It worked! thanks :) |
| 18:01.43 | hmakholm | Fraze: So where did you find it? |
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| 18:01.52 | Fraze | hmakholm: I had to change to sdb |
| 18:01.57 | Fraze | hmakholm: /dev/sdb |
| 18:02.05 | marco13185 | hmakholm, doesn't give me much info as to the file system |
| 18:02.05 | Fraze | hmakholm: I did ls sd* on /dev |
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| 18:02.11 | hmakholm | Fraze: Well, congratulations. |
| 18:02.18 | Fraze | hmakholm: Thank you :) |
| 18:02.23 | giwe | marco13185, try mount |
| 18:02.36 | marco13185 | giwe, that's the problem, it's not mounted |
| 18:02.38 | hmakholm | marco13185: Have you tried mounting it with type 'auto' and see what the kernel thinks it is? |
| 18:03.09 | marco13185 | hmakholm, I get an error: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 18:03.22 | Noboru | Etch has an excellent installer :D |
| 18:03.39 | hmakholm | marco13185: So the kernel is confused too. What _did_ file -s give you, by the way? |
| 18:04.03 | marco13185 | hmakholm, mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 18:04.04 | marco13185 | no |
| 18:04.12 | marco13185 | hmakholm,/dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x6, starthead 2, startsector 129, 3910911 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011 |
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| 18:04.56 | hmakholm | marco13185: That means that you're trying to mount the entire dev/sdx, but it is really partitioned, so you have to try something like /dev/sdx1 (for an appropriate x) |
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| 18:05.06 | Fraze | hmakholm: Hey, it's wierd but I don't have rpemession to write there! |
| 18:05.15 | Fraze | hmakholm: (not as root) |
| 18:05.34 | hmakholm | Fraze: Some USB keys have a hardware write-protect switch. Yours? |
| 18:05.51 | marco13185 | hmakholm, k, it worked |
| 18:05.53 | marco13185 | thanks |
| 18:06.02 | Fraze | hmakholm: Hmm.. didn't think about it.. thanks |
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| 18:06.27 | Fraze | hmakholm: hehe.. yes it was write protected |
| 18:06.30 | fourat | i want to load route commands after netword interfaces up, how can i do it ? |
| 18:06.50 | tralala | fourat: man interfaces |
| 18:06.51 | hmakholm | fourat: As "up" commands in the appropriate /etc/network/interfaces stanza |
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| 18:13.06 | giwe | Do I need to have iptables to make my local network see the internet? |
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| 18:14.06 | john | giwe: I wouldn't think so. "man iptables" |
| 18:14.38 | fas3r | nobody use driver acx ? |
| 18:15.09 | seb- | giwe: why would think that? do you have nat |
| 18:15.10 | seb- | ? |
| 18:15.23 | fas3r | because i have this error when i want insmod acx.ko : insmod: error inserting 'acx.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module i haven't find any solution on google .. |
| 18:15.35 | giwe | Seb, I can see my desktop from my node but I can't ping outside. |
| 18:15.52 | giwe | Seb, my desktop is connected to the net. |
| 18:16.09 | seb- | giwe: what do you have in between?....linksys router, firewall, etc? |
| 18:16.36 | giwe | Seb, I have a dsl modem between my desktop and the internet. |
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| 18:16.47 | seb- | giwe: can you surf the web? |
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| 18:17.03 | giwe | Seb, yes, from my desktop I can. |
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| 18:17.26 | giwe | Seb, but I can't see from my node. |
| 18:17.27 | seb- | giwe: so the problem is that you can surf the web but you just can't ping from the desktop? |
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| 18:17.37 | kenkkuru | fi |
| 18:17.42 | seb- | giwe: i don't know what 'node' and 'desktop' mean |
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| 18:17.45 | giwe | Seb, from the desktop I can do everything. |
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| 18:17.58 | seb- | giwe: i don't know which is the problem |
| 18:17.59 | mrec__ | hi, can anyone do me a favour and call me with skype? I'm trying to get my usb - phone bridge work |
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| 18:18.05 | giwe | Seb, internet<->destop<->laptop=node |
| 18:18.23 | seb- | giwe: you plugged your laptop into a second nic on your desktop? |
| 18:18.26 | giwe | Seb, destop sees internet but not the laptop. |
| 18:18.26 | samuel | how do i get aptitude to remove all the packages it installed with a program? for example installing mplayer installs everything (31 packages) removing it removes 20 packages? any way to get aptitude to remove the other 11 packages? things like mplayer-skins i definatelly dont need? |
| 18:18.41 | giwe | Seb, laptop is connected via wireless to the destop. |
| 18:19.09 | seb- | giwe: so the desktop is the gateway for your laptop...ok now i know your answer |
| 18:19.12 | giwe | Seb, destop and laptop see each other. |
| 18:19.20 | Gnurdux | ok Im curious about something: how do package maintainers make builds for all of the platforms? do they cross-compile? |
| 18:19.21 | giwe | Seb, I believe so. |
| 18:19.30 | giwe | Seb, in this case, do I need iptables? |
| 18:19.48 | seb- | giwe: you can buy a cheapo linksys router that does firewalling for your and NAT ....otherwise... |
| 18:20.19 | seb- | giwe: yes you'll need to set up an iptables script on desktop to NAT your laptop since it does not have its own internet ip address |
| 18:20.27 | giwe | Seb, I think there should be a way for my desktop to do the forwarding and NAT. |
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| 18:20.42 | chealer | Gnurdux: maintainers only compile on one official arch of their choice. see for example debian-devel-changes |
| 18:20.47 | giwe | Seb, that answers my question. I believe. |
| 18:21.05 | seb- | giwe: you are right....iptables does the NAT part and a kernel switch sets up forwarding |
| 18:21.09 | giwe | Seb, I was wondering if there was any other ways of doing this without buying anything extra. |
| 18:21.18 | samuel | is there any way to get aptitude to do a "cleanup" like debfoster? i removed debfoster since it said it was deprecated |
| 18:21.27 | seb- | giwe: there is....but you must get a script...that's all |
| 18:21.38 | giwe | Seb, okay. I've done this in the past with a ppp connection but it has been years. |
| 18:21.43 | sabin | i need some help with privileges, snes9x complains that my user can't write to /dev/mem or something like that, is there a group i have to be part of? |
| 18:21.53 | seb- | giwe: there are lots you can find if you google for one...i wrote my own i can give you if you like |
| 18:22.07 | giwe | Seb, I would be interested in. |
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| 18:22.27 | pippeus | hi |
| 18:22.30 | pippeus | :) |
| 18:22.32 | giwe | seb is it via iptables? |
| 18:22.59 | seb- | giwe: yes...but actually,,as much as i'd love you to use my software you probably want ipcop at ipcop.org |
| 18:23.02 | Gnurdux | chealer, so where do the other builds come from? official debian computers or other devs? |
| 18:23.24 | chealer | Gnurdux: yes, official debian computers, the buildd network |
| 18:23.24 | seb- | giwe: oh wait that is an os.... |
| 18:23.27 | giwe | Seb, good thanks for the hint about ipcop. |
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| 18:23.43 | chealer | !buildd |
| 18:23.43 | dpkg | buildd is probably Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. |
| 18:23.44 | seb- | giwe: i'm not sure if ipcop has just a script...let me think of another choice |
| 18:24.03 | giwe | Seb, anyway, was it something along the lines iptables forward -i eth0 -o wlan0 ...? |
| 18:24.10 | chealer | dpkg: buildd is also http://buildd.debian.org |
| 18:24.10 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
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| 18:24.42 | seb- | giwe: look at this... http://iptables-script.dk/ |
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| 18:24.54 | pippeus | anyone knows where to find good infos about rsync? |
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| 18:25.02 | dondelelcaro | pippeus: man rsync; for starters... |
| 18:25.07 | pippeus | lol |
| 18:25.08 | pippeus | :) |
| 18:25.10 | pippeus | thanx |
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| 18:25.24 | seb- | giwe: http://iptables-script.dk/index1.php . |
| 18:25.25 | pippeus | on the net i meant |
| 18:25.39 | giwe | Seb, okay, I just have now to recopile my kernel to have the iptables module. |
| 18:25.50 | seb- | giwe: or just modprobe iptables |
| 18:25.57 | seb- | pippeus: what are you trying to do with it? |
| 18:26.26 | kingsley | How does one search for text in version 1.1.4 of oowriter? When I press control-f or use the edit->find & replace menu, no window or field appears to accept text to search for. |
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| 18:26.45 | giwe | seb-, yes, unfortunately I did not include it in my .config. I need a recompile. |
| 18:27.05 | giwe | Seb, anyway that website is nice. thanks. I should be able to have this work now. |
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| 18:27.13 | Blissex | kingsley: there should be a popup... Ask in the OOo channel. |
| 18:27.15 | seb- | giwe: good luck |
| 18:27.27 | pippeus | seb-: i`m trying to set up a debian sid mirror |
| 18:27.31 | giwe | Seb, you bet. bye |
| 18:27.39 | pippeus | i don`t have internet at home |
| 18:27.46 | chealer | kingsley: version 1.1.4? where did you get that? |
| 18:27.52 | seb- | pippeus: so you just quickly duplicate/update a directory on your pc? |
| 18:28.25 | pippeus | mhh.. |
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| 18:28.36 | pippeus | i use university network |
| 18:28.42 | kingsley | Blissex: Thanks for explaining that there should be a popup (window). As you suggest, I've already asked in #openoffice.org. |
| 18:28.54 | pippeus | i would like to set up a debian mirror on a portable hd |
| 18:29.04 | seb- | pippeus: locally to duplicate a directory you would do .... rsync -av --delete old-directory/ new-directory |
| 18:29.20 | geekboi | I dropped a line to my ISP's support desk, and they basically said "Not gonna carry unstable, so, use another mirror" |
| 18:29.25 | geekboi | Bah |
| 18:29.26 | seb- | pippeus: the main gotcha is that the ending / after old-directory is crucial |
| 18:29.28 | kingsley | chealer: Yes, 1.1.4. I've forgotten where it came from by now, but I obtain almost all of my packages from debian repositories. |
| 18:29.48 | pippeus | mh ok thanx |
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| 18:30.08 | chealer | ok. I suppose your system is not up-to-date |
| 18:30.10 | seb- | pippeus: for a remote old-directory you make it a url....you may also want the ssh switch of sync to do it encrypted |
| 18:30.14 | Blissex | kingsley: note that it is also a very big popup... |
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| 18:30.58 | tarzeau | !seen GNU_style |
| 18:30.59 | dpkg | gnu_style <n=GNU_Styl@203.177.251.22> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 1h 6m 13s ago, saying: 'PM me'. |
| 18:30.59 | BeLinux | tarzeau, Eu não lembro de ter visto nenhum gnu_style. |
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| 18:33.22 | kingsley | For what it's worth, when I press control-f, the "Find On/Off" icon in oowriter's left panel toggles on and off. |
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| 18:35.18 | mike11234 | hi i dont know if any one can help me but i have a computer runing debian on an i810 motherboard and when i go to shut it down it goes all through the halt command fine but it wont actually poweroff by itself it just gives me loads of messages and i have to manualy press the powerswitch |
| 18:35.25 | mike11234 | has anyone got any ideas about that |
| 18:35.54 | wizart | hi Gnurdux, |
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| 18:36.16 | mvfeinstein | Hey can anyone help me I just install debian testing on my laptop and durring the install my wireless card worked but after I got it to boot it will not recognize it |
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| 18:37.43 | Noboru | mike11234, i had that problem before,its fixed after i recompiled kernel by adding APM stuff or so. |
| 18:38.16 | mike11234 | what kernel did you use |
| 18:39.08 | trenka | mike11234: do you use i686 kernel ? |
| 18:39.10 | Noboru | mike11234, im very sure it was a minimal kernel from a basic hdd installation which doesnt suppor USB ,no sound and stuff |
| 18:39.15 | wizart | Is it possible with the debian package system to install two versions of a library? HD space is cheap and I wish I could run debian stable while using a handfull of packages from unstable. |
| 18:39.58 | mike11234 | yeah im useing an i686 kerenel |
| 18:40.15 | mike11234 | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:40.30 | trenka | mike11234: no, you use 386 |
| 18:40.37 | trenka | mike11234: you should use 686 |
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| 18:41.05 | mike11234 | is that easy to upgrade |
| 18:41.22 | trenka | easy |
| 18:41.42 | wizart | Or is this solemny done by using backports with the stable distribution? |
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| 18:42.03 | mike11234 | would i need to update any tools |
| 18:42.25 | mbishop | installing and configuring our own kernel would be a better solution |
| 18:42.41 | Noboru | mike11234, i could be wrong,but i'd guess when you recompile kernel ,pay attention to the Power management section ,whatever your bios supports acpi or/and apm ,compile either one <note: Either one> into kernel properly that it will fix your problem immediately |
| 18:42.45 | hmakholm | wizart: You can either use backports or a chroot. A third option is just to upgrade the libraries, but that of course exposes the stable part of your system to breakage. |
| 18:43.28 | trenka | Noboru: he is not recompiling kernel |
| 18:43.41 | mike11234 | i dont really know what one it supports so i gues ill have to take it in turns |
| 18:43.45 | mike11234 | try one and then another |
| 18:43.56 | trenka | mike11234: apt-cache search kernel-image and choose what you want |
| 18:44.17 | N0S3 | hello |
| 18:44.22 | mike11234 | thanks |
| 18:44.28 | Noboru | trenka, oh ok |
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| 18:44.57 | amoi | hello ppl. how can i fake my local uptime on my debian? when i reboot it still give me the last uptime on my installation. how? |
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| 18:45.35 | marco13185 | how often are new packages released into the debian unstable repository? |
| 18:45.43 | hmakholm | marco13185: Once a day. |
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| 18:45.55 | marco13185 | hmakholm, any specific time? |
| 18:46.15 | hmakholm | marco13185: Next one expected in a few hours. The time it takes to complete varies. |
| 18:46.28 | Gnurdux | wizart, i still dont see why if you want new stuff, you dont run testing |
| 18:46.39 | marco13185 | heh, I hope they added the new version of xfce |
| 18:46.39 | Gnurdux | its only broken on me once, in the more than a year ive had it |
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| 18:46.50 | marco13185 | Gnurdux, you reinstalled it? |
| 18:47.02 | Gnurdux | no |
| 18:47.13 | marco13185 | Gnurdux, so how'd you unbrake it? |
| 18:47.14 | Gnurdux | i just waited a couple days and did another apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:47.14 | flipmcf | any successful wine installs? |
| 18:47.20 | marco13185 | oh, lol |
| 18:47.23 | wizart | I'm having the problem that there is one area where I'm working on hwere I want the very latest libs and packages while other areas I just want something that works. |
| 18:47.27 | Gnurdux | it wasn't badly broken |
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| 18:47.34 | ganymed1 | hallo |
| 18:47.37 | Gnurdux | wizart, testing almost always works |
| 18:47.50 | Gnurdux | and you most likely dont care about the lib versions |
| 18:48.02 | wizart | Yes. that sounds reasonable. And you had good experiences with updating the testing packages? |
| 18:48.09 | hmakholm | marco13185: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4.html will tell you whether it has been queued for the next update |
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| 18:49.04 | Gnurdux | yep |
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| 18:49.15 | Gnurdux | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get clean |
| 18:49.25 | amoi | hello ppl. how can i fake my local uptime on my debian? when i reboot it still give me the last uptime on my installation. how? |
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| 18:49.32 | Gnurdux | i do that whenevery i feel like it, and it keeps my fairly up to date |
| 18:49.43 | Gnurdux | the thing is, if anything, for me, testing is too old |
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| 18:49.58 | marco13185 | hmakholm, I can't seem to figure out if that means that it's not going to be fixed or if it is |
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| 18:50.24 | ganymed1 | how can i make a shelll script that needs root privileges executable for normal users? |
| 18:50.25 | mbishop | marco13185: what's going to be fixed? |
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| 18:50.30 | NikosGr | how do i check servcies running? ps ? |
| 18:50.46 | marco13185 | mbishop, the newest version of xfce only has the meta-package updated, not the individual components |
| 18:50.48 | marco13185 | so it doesn't install |
| 18:50.57 | [machine] | it's worth not "apt-get clean"ing unless you have to, helps if things are broken, as you can downgrade |
| 18:51.03 | jstevens | I'm trying to find some more information on a number of older bug reports. bugs.debian.org doesn't archive any of the 5 digit bug IDs -- only 6 digit IDs. Was there some change 'back in the day'? Where are the old bugs archived? |
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| 18:51.24 | _rain | NikosGr: ps aux |
| 18:51.24 | mbishop | marco13185: the 4.4 beta? (4.90.3 or whatever?) |
| 18:51.28 | marco13185 | mbishop, ya |
| 18:51.41 | NikosGr | umm is there a special option i must put in fstab so that ntfs parttion that mounted shows greek? |
| 18:51.41 | mbishop | marco13185: hmm, not sure, looks like it from that page though |
| 18:52.00 | hmakholm | jstevens: The current BTS is from after bug numbers rolled past 10000. I think at that time only open bugs were migrated, and the rest are probably lost. |
| 18:52.12 | marco13185 | mbishop, looks like it's gonna be fixed? |
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| 18:52.38 | NikosGr | umm is there a special option i must put in fstab so that ntfs parttion that mounted shows greek filenames in firecotry listings?? nls=auto ? |
| 18:52.40 | flipmcf | I'm having issues installing wine. looks like it's going to be a bunch of manual installs and almost a total upgrade to unstable. This can't be right. |
| 18:52.53 | jstevens | hmakholm: Really... They weren't archived in some form? Mmm... |
| 18:52.54 | hmakholm | ganymed1: sudo |
| 18:53.10 | mvfeinstein | can anyone tell me how I can get my computer to boot to a text prompt rather then a gui |
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| 18:53.59 | predius_ | is there a way to dual-boot windows and ubuntu if windows is inside an extended partition? |
| 18:54.05 | predius_ | err |
| 18:54.11 | signature16 | mvfeinstein: nano -w /etc/inittab |
| 18:54.11 | hmakholm | mvfeinstein: Temporarily: press ctrl-alt-F1 to switch to a textmode virtual console. Permanently: Remove the display manager, or keep it from starting by relinking its init.d script. |
| 18:54.13 | marco13185 | flipmcf, wine has a lot of dependencies apparently |
| 18:54.14 | Noboru | Etch asks me where to install lilo,but i want grub |
| 18:54.24 | signature16 | myfeinstein: it will tell you how to change it in the file..its really easy |
| 18:54.49 | flipmcf | yeah, and it involves upgrading libc6 and x11-common - which, as you can imagine, is nightmareish |
| 18:54.56 | predius_ | wront channel :) |
| 18:55.00 | NikosGr | umm is there a special option i must put in fstab so that ntfs parttion that mounted shows greek filenames in firecotry listings?? nls=auto ? |
| 18:55.03 | hmakholm | signature16: It should not be necessary to change the inittab |
| 18:55.07 | flipmcf | as I said, might as well dist-upgrade to unstable |
| 18:55.21 | signature16 | hmakholm: oh. how else do you do it? |
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| 18:55.26 | mvfeinstein | hmakhol how do i remove the display manager? And would that keep me from using graphical all together or just keep it from starting? |
| 18:55.30 | hmakholm | signature16: Read my response above. |
| 18:55.31 | flipmcf | I'm fishing for others who may have installed wine more gracefully |
| 18:55.53 | signature16 | hmakholm: oh |
| 18:56.13 | signature16 | hmakholm: is it bad to change the inittab? |
| 18:56.19 | NikosGr | changes this to what? /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 ntfs ro,user,umask=022 |
| 18:56.19 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.11 | hmakholm | signature16: Just how do you propose to change the inittab to prevent the display manager specifically from starting? It happens as one of _many_ consequences of the "l2:2:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 2" line. |
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| 18:57.39 | flipmcf | maybe I should just go the ol ./configure and make |
| 18:57.41 | NikosGr | changes this to what? /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 ntfs ro,user,umask=022 |
| 18:57.45 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.03 | bbrazil | !nodm |
| 18:58.03 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 18:58.14 | signature16 | hmakholm: change id:5:initdefault: to id:3:initdefault: 5 being x11 and 3 being full mulituesr mode |
| 18:58.15 | bbrazil | mvfeinstein: ^ |
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| 18:59.32 | hmakholm | signature16: Then you have _already_ done some local configuration of the inittab. By default xdm starts in all of runlevels 2 through 5. |
| 18:59.43 | hmakholm | s/of the inittab/of the init.d links/ |
| 18:59.50 | DomiX | hi, what package I need to install to resolve this error: Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/build; ? |
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| 19:00.10 | Noboru | The etch installs fails |
| 19:00.27 | Noboru | it hangs at installing grub |
| 19:00.37 | DomiX | I already installed kernel-headers-2.6 but same error :s |
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| 19:01.38 | _rain | Noboru: maybe you need kernel-source? |
| 19:02.11 | trenka | DomiX: what kernel are you using? |
| 19:02.18 | Noboru | _rain, no |
| 19:02.40 | DomiX | trenka: Linux mx 2.6.15-1-686 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:02.53 | trenka | DomiX: I think you should install linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 19:03.12 | Noboru | _rain, it is the installer fails itself, there was a warning message says grub installation often hangs or failure on XFS file system |
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| 19:03.30 | Noboru | _rain, anyway i wanted to give it a shot,bad luck |
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| 19:03.38 | DomiX | trenka: ok, but why I don't see this package whith aptitude search kernel-headers ? |
| 19:03.39 | _rain | Noboru: :S not cool |
| 19:03.52 | Noboru | reintalling |
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| 19:04.10 | trenka | DomiX: may be because you late and it was replaced with 2.6.16 kernel |
| 19:04.19 | DomiX | ok |
| 19:06.01 | DomiX | trenka: thx it works now |
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| 19:08.04 | mhall | I'd like to place two files side-by-side but I don't want to sdiff them. What else could I use? |
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| 19:09.23 | DomiX | any idea how to solve this error during installation of ndiswrapper-modules # dpkg -i ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.15-1-686_1.16-1_i386.deb |
| 19:09.26 | DomiX | (Reading database ... 51258 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 19:09.28 | DomiX | Unpacking ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.15-1-686 (from ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.15-1-686_1.16-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 19:09.32 | DomiX | dpkg: error processing ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.15-1-686_1.16-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 19:09.35 | DomiX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.38 | DomiX | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:09.41 | DomiX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.43 | DomiX | oups |
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| 19:10.18 | dondelelcaro | DomiX: please don't paste here |
| 19:10.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell DomiX -about overwrite |
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| 19:11.28 | sobersabre | hi guys, is there an irc channel related to patents etc ? |
| 19:11.43 | fourat | when doing a sumple ping, how can i know with wich interface the ping is going outside (i have 3 interfaces) |
| 19:11.48 | DomiX | dondelelcaro: yep, I've a made a mistake, I would like paste a link instead of this :-/ |
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| 19:12.16 | DomiX | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for the tip |
| 19:12.16 | dondelelcaro | DomiX: that's fine; dpkg has already given you the answer |
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| 19:12.51 | spanglesontoast | where can I find where a deb installs to? |
| 19:12.56 | dondelelcaro | spanglesontoast: dpkg -L foo.deb |
| 19:12.57 | fourat | * |
| 19:13.02 | lucas | hi, can anyone help me install my network card (nforce3) on sarge? |
| 19:13.08 | dondelelcaro | s/foo.deb/foo/ |
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| 19:14.04 | guess2 | is it possible to upgrade from 2.6.8-3 to 2.6.16.14 kernel |
| 19:14.06 | guess2 | ? |
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| 19:14.21 | mc__ | guess2, of course |
| 19:14.53 | spanglesontoast | ty dondel |
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| 19:17.07 | spanglesontoast | still cannot find netpbm |
| 19:17.30 | guess2 | what other things do i need to install linux-2.6.16.14.tar.gz? |
| 19:17.39 | guess2 | don't i need headers and stuff |
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| 19:18.30 | myboxen | why not use the .deb |
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| 19:18.52 | hmakholm | spanglesontoast: There is not a single command named netpbm. The package installs a number of tools with different names. |
| 19:19.08 | spanglesontoast | but does it not put it into a directory |
| 19:19.10 | trenka | lucas: I think it is possible to use closed drivers from nvidia |
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| 19:19.29 | guess2 | myboxen: 2.6.8-3 is the latest |
| 19:19.36 | guess2 | but i want 2.6.16.14 |
| 19:19.42 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 19:19.44 | spanglesontoast | dw i |
| 19:19.44 | hmakholm | spanglesontoast: If the package is installed, you should find all of the binaries in /usr/bin |
| 19:19.47 | myboxen | the latest in stable |
| 19:19.50 | lucas | i used, i compiled the modules ok, but i'm not managing to bring the network up |
| 19:19.51 | guess2 | yeah |
| 19:19.52 | spanglesontoast | yea I just worked that out lol |
| 19:19.52 | myboxen | not in unstable |
| 19:20.03 | spanglesontoast | hmm now all I need is the jhead |
| 19:20.12 | guess2 | is 2.6.16.14 out in unstable? |
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| 19:20.35 | myboxen | I can tell you, 1 sec |
| 19:20.44 | mc__ | guess2, look it up yourself |
| 19:20.48 | thingfish | guess2: check packages.debian.org and see. |
| 19:20.50 | mc__ | guess2, dont be lazy |
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| 19:21.26 | hmakholm | guess2: If you want to be out on the very bleeding edge, check kernel-package for the recommended way to compile your own kernel .debs from upstream sources. |
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| 19:21.41 | guess2 | im not lazy, im just asking coz im using stable |
| 19:22.01 | mc__ | guess2, that does not matter |
| 19:22.11 | hmakholm | guess2: That doesn't mean that you cannot look up the contents of unstable just as well as we can,. |
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| 19:22.20 | mc__ | guess2, packages.debian.org |
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| 19:22.47 | sandman | I'd like to debug a program to figure out what exactly is going wrong.. |
| 19:22.52 | sandman | Freeciv will freeze regularly on me. |
| 19:23.00 | sandman | However, I have a relatively odd configuration. |
| 19:23.15 | sandman | I run Debian Stable, and then under it Etch/Sid (pinned) |
| 19:23.33 | sandman | Nothing is mount bound |
| 19:23.35 | hmakholm | sandman: Easy on the enter key there. |
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| 19:24.34 | r121 | What sorts of problems occur with duplicate MAC addresses on a network? |
| 19:24.49 | mbishop | r121: depends on the router |
| 19:25.02 | sandman | hmakholm: Sorry about that. I'll try to fit it all on one line then: I installed strace, and ran strace civclient, however I'm having difficulty understanding what I'm looking at. The civclient window is frozen, or so it appears, but there's a lot of stuff being displayed by strace |
| 19:25.09 | mbishop | r121: some route to both, others will stop routing, some go back and forth |
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| 19:25.33 | p3rti | hi |
| 19:25.55 | p3rti | i have a little question |
| 19:26.00 | sandman | It looks like it's trying to do something with the network... I see my IP addy flying by |
| 19:26.41 | guess2 | anyway, can i use 'unstable' kernel to sarge? |
| 19:26.58 | hmakholm | guess2: Shouldn't be a problem. Except for the unstability, of course. |
| 19:27.27 | p3rti | somebody know why on my gnome if i try to acces the cdrom with the computer explorer it say that it couldn't mount and if i mount with the mount command it mount right. |
| 19:27.57 | p3rti | like if gnome dont want to mount the cdrom |
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| 19:28.13 | hmakholm | sandman: It sounds like you have good intentions, but know too little to carry them out. I don't _think_ that IRC in this situation is an adequate replacement for a lot of manual reading. |
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| 19:28.50 | mutante | p3rti: when you click in that explorer, are you starting a shellscript, which can be edited, and maybe has the wrong device in it or something? |
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| 19:29.08 | argon102 | hello |
| 19:29.22 | mike11234 | could anyone point me to some guides for manualy reconfiguring the kernel on debian |
| 19:29.36 | sandman | hmakholm: I need to learn the system calls that strace is logging, I think |
| 19:29.38 | p3rti | mutante, its the explorer of gnome.. the same go with totem and all gnome program's that try to acces the cdrom mounting itself |
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| 19:30.26 | _rain | mutante: when you mount from command line, do you specify all options, or just `mount /cdrom` ? |
| 19:30.42 | hmakholm | sandman: That, and the freeciv protocol. Manpages for the system calls are in the manpages-dev package; for the protocol I suggest looking in the freeciv source package. |
| 19:30.48 | mutante | p3rti: when you do it "manually" with the mount command, do you do it as root or regular user? |
| 19:31.01 | sandman | hmakholm: The freeciv protocol? I could just read the source code to learn that, yes? |
| 19:31.05 | p3rti | mutante, regular user |
| 19:31.13 | _rain | p3rti: when you mount from command line, do you specify all options, or just `mount /cdrom` ? |
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| 19:31.26 | p3rti | mutante, just mount /cdrom |
| 19:31.32 | p3rti | _rain, just mount /cdrom |
| 19:31.54 | hmakholm | sandman: Oh, right. If you can read source, everything is easier. (But then you don't have to be told where to find manpages. Sorry) |
| 19:32.09 | p3rti | _rain, the fstab its configure right i think because i can mount all fine on terminal but on gnome have like problems |
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| 19:32.30 | guess2 | where can i find my current kernel config? |
| 19:32.30 | ganymed1 | caio |
| 19:32.33 | ganymed1 | ciao |
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| 19:33.00 | hmakholm | guess2: Debian kernel packages will install the config file in /boot for easy reference. |
| 19:34.35 | guess2 | im installing 2.6.16.14 manually |
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| 19:34.55 | hmakholm | guess2: Why not with kernel-package? |
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| 19:35.44 | hmakholm | guess2: If you install your kernel manually it's your task to save the configuration somewhere you can find it later. |
| 19:35.50 | guess2 | how do i do it with kernel-package? |
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| 19:36.03 | hmakholm | guess2: Read the readme and howto that comes with it. |
| 19:36.12 | guess2 | nvm |
| 19:36.19 | evaded | !kp |
| 19:36.19 | hmakholm | ? |
| 19:36.19 | dpkg | [kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 19:36.44 | mike11234 | how can you recomplie the default kernel |
| 19:36.58 | mike11234 | to make custom changes |
| 19:37.04 | hmakholm | mike11234: Same way you recompile every other Debian package. |
| 19:37.07 | evaded | Another good one is '/msg dpkg grounding' |
| 19:37.12 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 19:37.24 | hmakholm | mike11234: Or read the dpkg factoid right above your question |
| 19:37.24 | jetscreamer | a kernel is easy the others are more difficult |
| 19:37.30 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 19:37.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 19:37.46 | jetscreamer | dont' forget libncurses5-dev |
| 19:38.18 | sandman | hmakholm: BTW: Assembler is related to system calls, right? |
| 19:38.23 | sandman | I've never programmed assembly. |
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| 19:38.35 | hmakholm | dpkg, no, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential ncurses5-dev"and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 19:38.36 | dpkg | hmakholm: okay |
| 19:39.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:39.12 | sandman | How long will Debian be around? |
| 19:39.13 | jetscreamer | libncurses5-dev |
| 19:39.16 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 19:39.30 | hmakholm | sandman: Not really. Unless you're deep down in the kernel's bowels you should not need to understand assembler to work with system calls in linux. |
| 19:39.43 | spanglesontoast | debian wants to live as long as we have computers :P |
| 19:39.54 | hmakholm | dpkg, no, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev"and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 19:39.54 | dpkg | hmakholm: okay |
| 19:40.04 | sandman | What about when something greater than computers come around? |
| 19:40.06 | evaded | spanglesontoast: And power, like petrol are a bit buggy the last time ... |
| 19:40.07 | sandman | Like nanotechnology? |
| 19:40.17 | sandman | Will the Debian community delve themselves into that? |
| 19:40.18 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 19:40.43 | spanglesontoast | soon there will be a little guy managing the apt-get program |
| 19:40.51 | spanglesontoast | but some programs might go rouge |
| 19:40.54 | guess2 | how come they don't put 2.6.16.14 as a package? |
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| 19:40.56 | NikosGr | why this wont work /etc/init.d/gaim |
| 19:41.24 | hmakholm | guess2: Not gotten around to it, I suppose. Remember it's a volunteer project. 2.6.15 is there. |
| 19:41.39 | guess2 | in stable? |
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| 19:42.02 | hmakholm | guess2: New software is not added to stable. |
| 19:42.11 | jetscreamer | did somebody say sex is not > computers? |
| 19:42.12 | guess2 | oh |
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| 19:42.19 | NikosGr | why this wont work /etc/init.d/gaim |
| 19:42.29 | guess2 | then how am i suppose to use 2.6.16.14? |
| 19:42.37 | guess2 | debian is like 2 years outdated |
| 19:42.37 | hmakholm | !tell NikosGr about doesn't work |
| 19:42.39 | jetscreamer | well in the first place, /etc/init.d/gaim what |
| 19:42.40 | guess2 | compared to gentoo |
| 19:42.53 | evaded | !sex |
| 19:42.54 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 19:42.58 | evaded | argh |
| 19:43.02 | NikosGr | dell:~# /etc/init.d/gaim |
| 19:43.02 | NikosGr | bash: /etc/init.d/gaim: No such file or directory |
| 19:43.06 | jetscreamer | well like go run gentoo |
| 19:43.12 | guess2 | lol |
| 19:43.15 | guess2 | hell no |
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| 19:43.33 | hmakholm | NikosGr: What makes you think the file should be there? |
| 19:43.39 | jetscreamer | NikosGr: what happens if you just type gaim |
| 19:43.44 | jetscreamer | or /usr/bin/gaim |
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| 19:43.52 | jetscreamer | or... how about locate gaim |
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| 19:43.58 | NikosGr | if i type gaim the app opens |
| 19:44.01 | evaded | NikosGr: You run it as root user?? Why not a normal user? |
| 19:44.08 | NikosGr | and its path is in the $PATH |
| 19:44.14 | jetscreamer | well it's not a daemon |
| 19:44.17 | _rain | guess2: debian is not 2 years outdated |
| 19:44.32 | _rain | a new stable version is released every 2 years |
| 19:44.37 | guess2 | prove me wrong |
| 19:44.39 | NikosGr | but how do i add it in init.d startup? |
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| 19:44.54 | cahoot | guess2: what's your point? |
| 19:44.54 | jetscreamer | NikosGr: it's a gui app |
| 19:44.54 | guess2 | hmakholm: what if i use unstable's 2.6.15 ? |
| 19:44.57 | hmakholm | NikosGr: Why would you want to? |
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| 19:45.06 | jetscreamer | NikosGr: do you use gnome or kde |
| 19:45.09 | hmakholm | guess2: Yes, what then? |
| 19:45.13 | NikosGr | i want gaim to start every time i boot gnome |
| 19:45.20 | evaded | !tell NikosGr about startup |
| 19:45.20 | jetscreamer | see that's different |
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| 19:45.51 | cahoot | guess2: nothing hinders you from running any kernel you wish |
| 19:46.23 | NikosGr | so first i must sopy gaim to init.d ? |
| 19:46.23 | flodine | hello guy will debian 3.1rc work with intel duo core? |
| 19:46.25 | hmakholm | NikosGr: Every time you _boot_? It's an IM program, right? How do you suppose it should know which user to be before somebody logs into the machine? |
| 19:46.39 | jetscreamer | NikosGr: go in the 'control panel' for gnome or whatever, desktop/preferences in the menu, and look at the session manager thing |
| 19:46.44 | NikosGr | but then i would have gaim in 2 places |
| 19:47.05 | NikosGr | jetscreamer, i just wanna do it in console |
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| 19:47.20 | Foxxici | hi |
| 19:47.21 | jetscreamer | gaim has a console version? |
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| 19:47.34 | hmakholm | NikosGr: In short, you are completely mistaken in wanting to start gaim from init.d. |
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| 19:47.43 | _rain | jetscreamer: i was wondering the same thing, did i miss something? |
| 19:47.47 | NikosGr | but why? |
| 19:47.54 | minerale | are there any (free) utilities that allow me to extract Microsoft .BKF backup files? |
| 19:48.03 | NikosGr | iwant every user to start gaim automatically |
| 19:48.16 | hmakholm | flodine: Don't see why it wouldn't. |
| 19:48.27 | _rain | minerale: maybe, try open office, but there's no telling with microsoft |
| 19:48.45 | hmakholm | NikosGr: That's completely different from wanting the machine to start gaim even before any user logs in. |
| 19:48.56 | NikosGr | no i didnt mean that man |
| 19:48.57 | minerale | _rain: eh? this is a 40gb "windows backup file" ... |
| 19:49.04 | NikosGr | i meant every time a user logs into gnome |
| 19:49.09 | shogunx | NikosGr put gaim & in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 19:49.10 | flodine | hmakholm is r2 better for me |
| 19:49.16 | hmakholm | NikosGr: "Before any user logs in" is when the init.d scripts get run. |
| 19:49.19 | shogunx | near the top. |
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| 19:49.29 | jetscreamer | i can tell you that file-roller will NOT open a .bkf, i just tried |
| 19:49.29 | _rain | minerale: 0_o my bad, in that case, i have no idea |
| 19:49.35 | hmakholm | flodine: I don't get your point. |
| 19:49.40 | jaya_xc | jetscreamer: centericq is multiprotocol and runs in console. you need ncurses. |
| 19:49.50 | evaded | minerale: Which program have you use? |
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| 19:49.53 | flodine | hmakholm is that the newer verson |
| 19:50.01 | NikosGr | hmakholm, ah i see |
| 19:50.02 | jetscreamer | jaya_xc: ok... no idea why i need to know that, but okie |
| 19:50.03 | hmakholm | flodine: But what is your question? |
| 19:50.07 | foo | http://pastebin.com/702338 - anyone have any ideas on what this X error is about? I get it when trying to startx as user. |
| 19:50.09 | NikosGr | so tis crazy to tryt o laod gaim in there |
| 19:50.20 | NikosGr | i mean its gui ti wont even work |
| 19:50.22 | evaded | minerale: It's been with that default backup tool of microsoft? |
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| 19:50.55 | Akbar | I'm bored |
| 19:51.01 | NikosGr | one last things folks an i am gone. how do i ncrease gaim's fonts |
| 19:51.08 | _rain | !microsoft |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | methinks microsoft is the soft conglomerate of stature that provides the food to billions of apathetic morons who want to sit on the asses of their undoing so their minds can melt into the pixelized universe that is The Daily Show |
| 19:51.15 | NikosGr | gui doesnt provide an option |
| 19:51.17 | jetscreamer | is there a #gaim ? |
| 19:51.17 | shogunx | jetscreamer maybe hexcurse would give you some clues. |
| 19:51.28 | flodine | hmakholm well rc1 sisnt install on my intel duo core is r2 better |
| 19:51.37 | jetscreamer | shogunx: ok... no idea why i need to know that, but okie |
| 19:51.43 | flodine | didnt |
| 19:51.49 | hmakholm | flodine: Is what you write even English? |
| 19:52.03 | shogunx | jetscreamer so you can look a the file headers and see perhpas how it is compressed. |
| 19:52.10 | evaded | foo: It's looks that the user have not the right to run the Xserver :-/ |
| 19:52.12 | jetscreamer | YES there is a #gaim |
| 19:52.21 | flodine | sorry talking to some else at the same time |
| 19:52.34 | jetscreamer | shogunx: i was just testing out file-roller on one, i'm not the guy who needs to know though |
| 19:52.36 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | Hello, anyone can help, I cant figure out how to make my sound work |
| 19:52.45 | jaya_xc | jetscreamer: "gaim has a console version?"? |
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| 19:52.52 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | I tried to install alsa-base, but some dependencies are messed up |
| 19:53.01 | foo | evaded: How can I fix that? Weird, eh? Hmm. This is a fresh install of debian. |
| 19:53.09 | NikosGr | gaim is such a nice tool but yet doesnt haev a font size increease |
| 19:53.14 | flodine | hmakholm well rc1 didnt install on my intel duo core is r2 better? |
| 19:53.17 | jetscreamer | jaya_xc: does that mean that gaim is really centericq? ok.... |
| 19:53.19 | mbishop | NikosGr: where? |
| 19:53.27 | shogunx | naim is a console gaim client |
| 19:53.30 | NikosGr | wheer what |
| 19:53.31 | evaded | foo: To take it simply, installing gdm or kdm or xdm?? |
| 19:53.32 | mbishop | NikosGr: install the "extended" preferences plugin |
| 19:53.33 | shogunx | aim client rather |
| 19:53.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:53.42 | shogunx | jetscreamer, ahh, sorry then. |
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| 19:53.51 | hmakholm | flodine: I've never tried it with any. Why don't you try and then send an install report to say if it worked? |
| 19:53.54 | jetscreamer | my kids like gaim |
| 19:53.57 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | if any one can help with sound problem, just pm me |
| 19:53.59 | foo | evaded: hmm, I can try that. |
| 19:54.00 | NikosGr | apt-get install ? |
| 19:54.02 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: usiing a 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:54.23 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, I think so, just a sec |
| 19:54.27 | jetscreamer | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: i doubt it will happen, you'll have better luck just stating your problem with as many pertinent details as you have |
| 19:54.28 | mbishop | NikosGr: gaim-extendedprefs |
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| 19:54.39 | Akbar | man we need some better torrent clients than azureus ;/ |
| 19:54.52 | NikosGr | thanks mbishop |
| 19:54.57 | jetscreamer | !info rtorrent |
| 19:55.04 | mbishop | Akbar: bittornado |
| 19:55.06 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.5.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 564 kB |
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| 19:55.11 | Akbar | I'm using torrentflux, bittornado |
| 19:55.21 | Akbar | but something like utorrent would be cool |
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| 19:55.25 | NikosGr | yeahh!! |
| 19:55.26 | evaded | rtorrent are on backports btw |
| 19:55.26 | jaya_xc | jetscreamer: don't; I suppose that there isn't a gaim console version, but centeriq is an im client that run in console. |
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| 19:55.31 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, I seem to have 2.6, but can't remember command to check it |
| 19:55.36 | NikosGr | ig only soemthionk like utorrent existe din linux |
| 19:55.41 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: uname -r |
| 19:55.47 | NikosGr | Akbar, torrent glux is nice? |
| 19:56.06 | Akbar | it's a php/python based app |
| 19:56.09 | jetscreamer | NikosGr: <jaya_xc> I suppose that there isn't a gaim console version, but centeriq is an im client that run in console. |
| 19:56.17 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, 2.6.8.2-386 |
| 19:56.35 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, also found it in /boot |
| 19:56.35 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: try to simply run alsaconf |
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| 19:56.48 | Akbar | but yeah it's better than having to have 10 terminals open with bittornado :) |
| 19:56.58 | NikosGr | is ther soethign ike windows;s utorrent in linux? |
| 19:57.06 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, doesnt work, no program that start with alsa |
| 19:57.09 | Akbar | maybe ktorrent or qtorrent |
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| 19:57.25 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: install alsa-utils and alsa-tools |
| 19:57.31 | Akbar | I wish they would consider porting it |
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| 19:57.33 | shogunx | Akbar better unless you use screen to do it. |
| 19:57.42 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, I tried to install those, but it would give me errors with perl-base package |
| 19:57.54 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, something about sarge3 not able to replace sarge4 |
| 19:57.59 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: you do run debian? |
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| 19:58.06 | Akbar | shogunx, yeah that's a option but everything in one simple interface is nicer... :) |
| 19:58.11 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, 100% sure ;) |
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| 19:59.03 | NikosGr | what is consiudered to be the best gui torrent client? |
| 19:59.05 | Akbar | shogunx, and utorrent doesn't eat as much resources as azureus or even bittornado :) |
| 19:59.15 | NikosGr | gnome client |
| 19:59.23 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, if you can briefly explain how to send a chunk of errors message, i'll tell you what it does when I apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 19:59.38 | shogunx | Akbar, i've not noticed the headless bittornado eating very many resources. |
| 19:59.41 | Akbar | NikosGr, good luck with that I don't think gnome people care that much about bittorrent clients.. |
| 19:59.43 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: try /msg dpkg paste |
| 20:00.00 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: err /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:00.02 | NikosGr | Akbar, damn |
| 20:00.07 | evaded | NikosGr: Define 'best', each depend on his personal preferences :-/ |
| 20:00.09 | NikosGr | i sue torrent allt he time |
| 20:00.23 | NikosGr | gui, light, configurable |
| 20:00.30 | Akbar | NikosGr, me too :) |
| 20:00.36 | NikosGr | :) |
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| 20:01.14 | Noboru | anyone use Etch ? |
| 20:01.40 | Noboru | how do i go back to the mirror site configuration window ? |
| 20:01.48 | Noboru | i want to set up another apt mirror |
| 20:01.51 | cahoot | apt-setup? |
| 20:01.53 | NikosGr | ok gaim fonts wont change a bit |
| 20:01.58 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, wont be long |
| 20:02.09 | Noboru | cahoot, ? |
| 20:02.37 | Noboru | i mean go back to where allows me to select apt mirrors from |
| 20:02.59 | evaded | Noboru: Yes, he give you an answer |
| 20:03.02 | Akbar | yeah apt-setup |
| 20:03.08 | Noboru | ok thanks |
| 20:03.12 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, it's on http://channels.debian.net/paste/2497 |
| 20:03.22 | NikosGr | ok gaim fonts wont change a bit |
| 20:03.28 | NikosGr | thay wotn increase |
| 20:03.45 | Noboru | hmm |
| 20:03.56 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: did you try apt-get -f install? |
| 20:04.05 | Vantage13_ | is there a way with debootstrap to setup a drive in an enclosure, then take that drive and boot off it from another machine? I know debootstrap will install the OS, but what about the mbr? |
| 20:04.21 | Noboru | The Etch installer has a part to select apt mirros hmm |
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| 20:04.38 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, yes, but it fails |
| 20:04.43 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: have you installed some deb from a non-sarge source? |
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| 20:04.46 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, packages are in conflict |
| 20:04.54 | javier | hola a todos |
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| 20:05.03 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, maybe |
| 20:05.19 | javier | alguien habla español? |
| 20:05.20 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, I work with paparazzi, which have a package, but it is for sarge |
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| 20:05.24 | evaded | !es |
| 20:05.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:05.26 | rohan | on debian or any other debian based distro, apollon is always unable to find the gift daemon. what location do i point it to ? |
| 20:05.46 | Akbar | localhost? |
| 20:06.03 | javier | sorry :P |
| 20:06.05 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, want to see output of apt-get -f install? |
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| 20:06.13 | mc__ | !de |
| 20:06.14 | dpkg | i guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:06.30 | mc__ | !us |
| 20:06.31 | dpkg | us is, like, United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun |
| 20:06.39 | mc__ | !gb |
| 20:06.39 | dpkg | somebody said gb was an abbreviation for GigaByte. And also for Great Britain. Has also been associated with great beer & as an acronym for gurubonz. |
| 20:06.41 | Akbar | !nl |
| 20:06.41 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 20:06.41 | rohan | mc__: use /msg dpkg |
| 20:06.41 | Akbar | :P |
| 20:06.46 | evaded | mc__: Try '/msg dpkg selftell' |
| 20:06.55 | mc__ | i know that ^^ |
| 20:07.03 | evaded | mc__: Do it then!!! |
| 20:07.09 | rohan | mc__: then, we are not interested in your spam. thanks but no thanks |
| 20:07.17 | mc__ | lol,slow down |
| 20:07.24 | Akbar | lol |
| 20:08.27 | _rain | such love ... |
| 20:08.49 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, how do you verify if a package is "sarge ready"? |
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| 20:10.39 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: loosk like your perl version indeed is the correct one (srage4) |
| 20:10.41 | evaded | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: 'apt-cache search <package>' for example |
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| 20:10.54 | linnuxxy | how to install ingres 2006 on sarge? |
| 20:10.58 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, no, mine is sarge3 |
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| 20:11.13 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | evaded, thx |
| 20:11.16 | NikosGr | is there somoen that can help me change gaim fonts? |
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| 20:11.39 | evaded | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: You're Welcome :-) |
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| 20:11.42 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: as I understand it (might be wrong) sarge4 is a security update - maybe that's what you need |
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| 20:11.55 | dazjorz | hello? |
| 20:11.58 | warnk | how are devel packages creating from src? |
| 20:11.58 | dazjorz | Thanks, rohan :) |
| 20:11.58 | rohan | NikosGr: iirc, gaim uses the fonts, as the gtk2 theme uses |
| 20:12.01 | rohan | dazjorz: :) |
| 20:12.12 | dazjorz | ok ehh |
| 20:12.19 | NikosGr | i dont knwo what si gtk2 |
| 20:12.26 | NikosGr | neithe hos to chaneg tis fonts |
| 20:12.30 | dazjorz | there's a bunch of processes running - I can see some processes beginning with k when I run ps -A |
| 20:12.36 | guess2 | when is etch comin out? |
| 20:12.42 | guess2 | as stable |
| 20:12.52 | dazjorz | keventd, kswapd, kupdated, kjournald, etcetera |
| 20:12.59 | dazjorz | I thought they were supposed to be only running when KDE is started? |
| 20:13.02 | dazjorz | at least some of them? |
| 20:13.07 | NikosGr | toha is there a guio way to do it? |
| 20:13.18 | dazjorz | I'm on a server currently - it's not supposed to have KDE running or something |
| 20:13.26 | Akbar | NikosGr, which fonts? the menu fonts? |
| 20:13.34 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, just a sec, preparing a paste |
| 20:13.36 | NikosGr | IM window gonrs |
| 20:13.41 | evaded | guess2: There are no dead lines |
| 20:13.42 | NikosGr | ou know tjhat text i type |
| 20:13.44 | dazjorz | why could it be there are KDE processes running, when X-Window isn't running at all? |
| 20:13.45 | Akbar | or the actual fonts you use to type |
| 20:13.51 | Akbar | oh |
| 20:13.58 | Akbar | text formatting section in gaim? |
| 20:14.01 | rohan | NikosGr: i dont know, i have not used gnome/gtk since a long time. maybe you need to hack some config file .. ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 20:14.03 | blondie | should scp work from one remote host to another? |
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| 20:14.28 | NikosGr | damn is t soe fiffculy in linxu to icnrease a bloody font? |
| 20:14.38 | dli | blondie, I think it should, but I never got it work |
| 20:14.40 | Akbar | text formatting :D |
| 20:14.46 | Akbar | font formatting :D |
| 20:14.51 | dazjorz | yea, NikosGr, and typo's also happen a lot ;) |
| 20:15.01 | rohan | NikosGr: its not, on kde. kde has a nice control center. sorry i cant help you, because i dont know how to do it in gnome |
| 20:15.03 | evaded | blondie: Why not?? |
| 20:15.03 | dli | NikosGr, what font? |
| 20:15.08 | rohan | NikosGr: point is - say gnome, not linux :) |
| 20:15.19 | NikosGr | rohan, ;-) |
| 20:15.20 | Akbar | gaim = not gnome :D |
| 20:15.23 | blondie | evaded: it didn't prompt me for the second password |
| 20:15.26 | NikosGr | dli, i gaims fonts |
| 20:15.30 | rohan | Akbar: uses gnome/gtk configs |
| 20:15.33 | mike11234 | has anybody had anyexperince with wine |
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| 20:15.35 | evaded | blondie: @ |
| 20:15.35 | dazjorz | o.k. well |
| 20:15.38 | rohan | Akbar: and its obvious he is using gnome |
| 20:15.39 | NikosGr | you know the text i type |
| 20:15.44 | evaded | blondie: I guess the username |
| 20:15.48 | Akbar | gaim uses gtk+ fonts for the menu |
| 20:15.50 | dazjorz | I guess it's okay to have KDE processes running while X-Window shouldn't run at all? |
| 20:15.51 | blondie | yes I know what that's for |
| 20:15.58 | Akbar | but uhhh I think he means the conversation fonts |
| 20:15.58 | evaded | blondie: Or an 'automatic' login?? |
| 20:16.01 | NikosGr | i want to just increse them |
| 20:16.06 | NikosGr | how do i do it? |
| 20:16.13 | blondie | I did this: |
| 20:16.15 | blondie | scp helpdesk@corner:~/perl/passwords.pl alex@home.xelam.net:~/perl/ |
| 20:16.16 | linnuxxy | how to install ingres 2006 on sarge? |
| 20:16.22 | rohan | NikosGr: say, am i right ? are you using gnome ? |
| 20:16.27 | NikosGr | yes |
| 20:16.27 | llvllatrix | I'm having trouble setting up a wifi link between my card and router; the link works without authentication but fails when I try to setup WPAPSK. Does anyone know of any tutorials that might help? |
| 20:16.37 | Akbar | dude check out pref -> conversations -> message text in gaim |
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| 20:16.47 | dazjorz | rohan, Processes beginning with a k (keventd, kswapd, kupdated, kjournald) are usually KDE processes, right? |
| 20:16.48 | rohan | Akbar: he is not talking about message text |
| 20:16.50 | Akbar | there you will see a text formatting section |
| 20:17.00 | Seb | sup yall |
| 20:17.03 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2498 |
| 20:17.07 | Seb | how do i attempt a login in a chroot |
| 20:17.08 | j33 | Can someone point me to some sort of howto / documentation on how to get the external monitor to work properly on my inspiron 600m laptop? |
| 20:17.13 | NikosGr | yes Akbar i chnages that |
| 20:17.14 | rohan | dazjorz: not necessary. kblock kthread are kernel processes |
| 20:17.17 | Seb | if i do "login user" it tells me it doesn't know my tty |
| 20:17.19 | NikosGr | but nothing happened |
| 20:17.25 | NikosGr | when i talk with people |
| 20:17.28 | dazjorz | rohan, oh, the k is for kernel, not kde |
| 20:17.30 | Seb | i simply wanna try authenticating against the passwd/shadow *in* the chroot |
| 20:17.33 | NikosGr | same 10 sans fonts |
| 20:17.36 | Akbar | NikosGr, and if you're talking about menu fonts .. Preferences -> Fonts -> there you can set your titlebar, desktop fonts, menu fonts etc.. etc.. |
| 20:17.38 | Seb | to verify i got a password right |
| 20:17.47 | Seb | anyone know a trick to do this ? |
| 20:17.53 | dazjorz | rohan, hence the pid (2, 3, 4, 6) lol |
| 20:17.59 | rohan | dazjorz: yes :) |
| 20:18.03 | evaded | j33: Know you about 'TLDP'? |
| 20:18.10 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, and if I try apt-get -f upgrade, it give me something like: |
| 20:18.12 | valdyn | Seb: run su - username from taht chroot ( as a user, not root ) |
| 20:18.13 | NikosGr | Akbar, no juist text i type fonts |
| 20:18.22 | NikosGr | whya re there soe small? |
| 20:18.23 | j33 | evaded: i'll try googling around that site thx |
| 20:18.32 | evaded | !tldp |
| 20:18.32 | dpkg | tldp is probably The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
| 20:18.34 | rohan | dazjorz: more examples .. ksoftirqd |
| 20:18.38 | Seb | valdyn: that's the pb, I'm already root in there :\ |
| 20:18.46 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.8', which is also in package digikit |
| 20:18.52 | dazjorz | rohan, kcopyd... yep, see them |
| 20:18.54 | evaded | j33 and guys: That's an good place there ^^ |
| 20:18.55 | valdyn | Seb: umm, use brain, use su - user to become user |
| 20:18.57 | dazjorz | rohan, well thanks :) |
| 20:18.58 | rohan | dazjorz: hehe :) |
| 20:19.01 | rohan | dazjorz: np |
| 20:19.15 | Seb | valdyn: heh, well i don't have other users, only root, and it's his passwd i'm trying to check |
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| 20:19.27 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: I'm sorry but this is too intricate for me- the only meaningful idea have is to make sure security updates are included when you update |
| 20:19.32 | Seb | valdyn: i guess i can create one, but this seems like a lotta loops ;) |
| 20:19.40 | Seb | valdyn: i was thinking there must be a simpler way |
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| 20:19.52 | valdyn | Seb: you can try to change its password |
| 20:20.16 | Seb | valdyn: aaaaah, now *that* I like :) |
| 20:20.19 | Coutal | say, is there any way to tell the apt-get tool to ignore the lockfile? |
| 20:20.21 | Seb | valdyn: sounds like it's gonna work |
| 20:20.31 | Seb | valdyn: thanks man |
| 20:20.40 | valdyn | Seb: should require you at least to enter the new p/w twice - safe enough |
| 20:20.55 | Seb | valdyn: hrm. I'm root. So it doesn't ask for the old one, which I'm trying to *check* |
| 20:21.11 | evaded | Coutal: No, not unlock it |
| 20:21.11 | Coutal | by the way, i have just installed debian with the newest d-i and it doesn't run the base-config script at all |
| 20:21.21 | valdyn | Seb: that's no problem since you are going to change it, isnt it? |
| 20:21.21 | rohan | Coutal: no, better yet, find the reason why it is locked |
| 20:21.29 | evaded | Coutal: Why you want that? |
| 20:21.32 | Seb | valdyn: so that doesn't quite do it. I know i can change it, or I could even blank it in the shadow file, but I'd rather just check the current one is what iwas told |
| 20:21.38 | Coutal | rohan: it's locked because dpkg is running. but i still want to keep downloading software in the background |
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| 20:21.43 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: digikit seems to from somewhere outside sarge - maybe that's the root of the problem |
| 20:21.51 | Seb | valdyn: well, i'll end up doing this if I must. But I'd prefer a way of validating the current one. |
| 20:22.02 | Coutal | it will be at least 20 minutes before this machine finishes unpacking and installing xorg, i want to keep downloading packages in the background |
| 20:22.14 | valdyn | Seb: i dont know a real good way, you could start sshd on random port and log in as root |
| 20:22.14 | Coutal | but apt-get --download-only cares very much about the lockfile. not sure whether it should |
| 20:22.36 | evaded | Coutal: wget?? But for that it's a bit overkill and not practice |
| 20:22.48 | valdyn | Seb: sshd -p <randomport> |
| 20:22.57 | Seb | valdyn: i guess, yeah. I'll try that, sounds like it'll work, without too much overhead... Thanks again... |
| 20:22.59 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, hum, I'l verify |
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| 20:23.10 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, and try to see what this package is used for |
| 20:23.11 | valdyn | Seb: root logins have to be allowed for ssh though, im not sure if that is so by default |
| 20:23.20 | Coutal | evaded: that'd be quite futile, yes... download-only would be much nicer |
| 20:23.28 | Coutal | and it can't really corrupt anything. |
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| 20:23.39 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, I think I disabled the security sever |
| 20:23.42 | rohan | Coutal: wget the files yourself ? |
| 20:23.46 | evaded | Coutal: I use an 'apt-proxy'. All deb packages are downloaded to one pc. All the clients ask to the server that he need the packages and leave it on the server for the next client |
| 20:24.09 | Seb | valdyn: yeah, i'll change permitrootlogin |
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| 20:24.35 | Coutal | evaded: overkill for my home network with 2 debian machines of different archs :) |
| 20:25.25 | evaded | Coutal: It's depend if you have an cable network, but with 2 pc's an a crap of 56k, it's really not overkill to have an apt-proxy |
| 20:25.32 | valdyn | Seb: or run /sbin/getty 38400 tty11 ( tty11 should be free by default ) |
| 20:25.37 | Coutal | evaded: but they're of different archs. it's useless. |
| 20:25.53 | evaded | Coutal: Yep, that's true |
| 20:25.56 | valdyn | Seb: hmm, that's my best idea yet ) |
| 20:26.00 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: digikit seems to come with the paparazzi pkg you mentione earlier |
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| 20:26.46 | Seb | valdyn: hehe ;) This doesn't return, nor give me a login prompt though :\ |
| 20:27.00 | valdyn | Seb: as intended, hit ctrl-alt-f11 to login |
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| 20:27.12 | Coutal | brb |
| 20:27.56 | odla | what network is debian backports on? |
| 20:28.08 | valdyn | odla: internet |
| 20:28.13 | Seb | valdyn: worked like a charm. Thank you so much... |
| 20:28.16 | odla | i.e. like irc.freenode.net |
| 20:28.19 | odla | but its' sometihng else |
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| 20:28.53 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, hum, possible |
| 20:28.57 | odla | ah oftc |
| 20:29.09 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, I'll check with them |
| 20:29.14 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, thx for helping |
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| 20:29.38 | cahoot | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: not much help - but anyway ;) |
| 20:30.24 | evaded | odla: '/dns www.backports.org' |
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| 20:30.47 | killown | where have package xfce4.4 for debian? |
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| 20:31.04 | rohan | killown: we dont |
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| 20:31.10 | rohan | killown: atleast not officially |
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| 20:31.16 | NikosGr | http://dl.kanotixguide.org/debian/ktorrent_1.2-0makke_i386.deb is a sif package |
| 20:31.23 | NikosGr | its ok id i install ti on sarge? |
| 20:31.30 | valdyn | NikosGr: no |
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| 20:31.44 | evaded | NikosGr: Kanotixguide?? |
| 20:31.48 | rohan | NikosGr: if it breaks, you will be sad |
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| 20:31.55 | valdyn | NikosGr: ktorrent is in debian |
| 20:31.58 | NikosGr | i nedd ktorrent |
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| 20:32.05 | rohan | !info ktorrent sarge |
| 20:32.06 | valdyn | !info ktorrent sarge |
| 20:32.08 | NikosGr | synacptic cant find it |
| 20:32.08 | valdyn | !info ktorrent etch |
| 20:32.10 | rohan | valdyn: :) |
| 20:32.11 | dpkg | ktorrent: (BitTorrent client for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.1-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 471 kB, Installed size: 1664 kB |
| 20:32.23 | Akbar | etch :) |
| 20:32.24 | rohan | well, valdyn , he is right |
| 20:32.28 | NikosGr | hey |
| 20:32.28 | rohan | NikosGr: wait a sec |
| 20:32.36 | rohan | NikosGr: its really simple to build |
| 20:32.50 | valdyn | NikosGr: better build it yourself than use kanotix stuff |
| 20:33.17 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 20:33.17 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 20:33.20 | rohan | NikosGr: sudo apt-get build-dep ktorrent; sudo apt-get source ktorrent; cd ktorrent-FOO; debian/rules binary; cd ..; sudo dpkg -i FOO.deb |
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| 20:33.36 | valdyn | NikosGr: read what dpkg said and do it, with sid replace by etch |
| 20:33.48 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | cahoot, well, I have more informations then I had in the first place ;) |
| 20:33.50 | rohan | shit, dpkg knows everything ;) |
| 20:33.50 | NikosGr | why noit just dpkg -i <the sid package> ? |
| 20:33.51 | evaded | ktorrent is not in backports :-/ |
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| 20:34.01 | valdyn | NikosGr: that will break horribly |
| 20:34.13 | NikosGr | how you know? |
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| 20:34.23 | valdyn | NikosGr: just trust us |
| 20:34.23 | evaded | NikosGr: Sid packages use other libraries |
| 20:34.47 | NikosGr | you sute it will break? |
| 20:34.54 | valdyn | NikosGr: sid/etch uses a different compiler with a differen C++ ABI, dont mix with sarge |
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| 20:35.15 | evaded | NikosGr: Try and you see if you get an *bonus* |
| 20:35.16 | NikosGr | but i can even find the sarge deb |
| 20:35.21 | rohan | evaded: dont |
| 20:35.27 | rohan | NikosGr: build your own deb |
| 20:35.33 | rohan | NikosGr: me and dpkg just gave you instructions |
| 20:35.34 | DimGR_lap | rohan: :P |
| 20:35.37 | valdyn | NikosGr: 2 people and 1 bot tol you hwo to do it |
| 20:35.38 | evaded | rohan: He insist on it :-/ |
| 20:35.41 | valdyn | NikosGr: 2 people and 1 bot told you hwo to do it |
| 20:35.48 | NikosGr | ok iam installign the sid package |
| 20:35.52 | Stereo | if I want to add options for the kernel in grub's menu.lst, can I just add them to the configuration inside the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST or will they be erased the next time I install a kernel? I'd like to add console=tty0 console=ttys1,115200 to every kernel |
| 20:35.54 | Akbar | lolll |
| 20:35.58 | valdyn | haha |
| 20:36.00 | DimGR_lap | hahahha |
| 20:36.07 | NikosGr | dpkg: error processing ktorrent (--install): |
| 20:36.08 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.08 | rohan | NikosGr: WE JUST SAID NO |
| 20:36.09 | valdyn | NikosGr: enjoy, dont come back with issues |
| 20:36.12 | amoi | hello ppl. how can i make host.allow for my incoming connection. i`m login from dynamic ip. so i want to make spoof ip how? |
| 20:36.13 | rohan | NikosGr: DONT DO IT |
| 20:36.16 | Akbar | hahahahahhahaha |
| 20:36.21 | rohan | evaded: people like you ! |
| 20:36.21 | Akbar | man.. |
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| 20:36.41 | valdyn | almost funny |
| 20:36.44 | NikosGr | DimGR_lap, esy mono edw xereis na gelas? sto debian.gr oute kan milas |
| 20:37.01 | NikosGr | ok telle me again plz |
| 20:37.07 | DimGR_lap | ise ignored |
| 20:37.11 | NikosGr | is there arepos that hasve ktorrent? |
| 20:37.11 | Akbar | remove that ktorrent package :) |
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| 20:37.18 | NikosGr | DimGR_lap, kai apo sena? |
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| 20:37.37 | evaded | rohan: He can not listen, nor read. What would you that i see |
| 20:37.37 | NikosGr | ok Akbar |
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| 20:37.42 | warnk | how are devel packages created? |
| 20:37.43 | evaded | s/see/say |
| 20:38.06 | NikosGr | ok removed |
| 20:38.10 | rohan | evaded: well, instead of bad advice, could you not have just stayed shut ? |
| 20:38.12 | unity | hello, does anyone have any ideas on how to install debian on a laptop without a cdrom drive? |
| 20:38.18 | rohan | NikosGr: see the instructions -- |
| 20:38.20 | rohan | 02:03 < dpkg> simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your |
| 20:38.23 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:38.27 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.30 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.33 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.33 | amphi | unity: netinstall floppies? |
| 20:38.34 | NikosGr | DimGR_lap, an nai tote min kaneis ton kpo na mou miliseis , oute ta xazogelia thelw |
| 20:38.35 | rohan | 02:03 < rohan> NikosGr: sudo apt-get build-dep ktorrent; sudo apt-get source ktorrent; cd |
| 20:38.39 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:38.41 | rohan | ouch |
| 20:38.43 | evaded | rohan: Right, but i like to give an *bonus*, when people are not listen! |
| 20:38.46 | rohan | !tell NikosGr about simple sid backport |
| 20:38.46 | Akbar | rohan> NikosGr: sudo apt-get build-dep ktorrent; sudo apt-get source ktorrent; cd ktorrent-FOO; debian/rules binary; cd ..; sudo dpkg -i FOO.deb |
| 20:38.54 | Akbar | like that |
| 20:38.56 | valdyn | NikosGr: for easy and paste as special service "echo deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get build-dep ktorrent; apt-get -b source ktorrent" ( all as root ) |
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| 20:38.59 | rohan | NikosGr: read dpkg's pm |
| 20:39.06 | Akbar | man with your indent stuff :P |
| 20:39.07 | rohan | valdyn: great ! |
| 20:39.15 | evaded | rohan: So now he know the shit, now it's sure that he go to listen a bit better. We always listen after doying some stupid thigs |
| 20:39.38 | NikosGr | valyan thats testing |
| 20:39.46 | rohan | evaded: well, once bitten twice shy ;) |
| 20:39.55 | unity | amphi: none of my other comps have floppy drives =( |
| 20:39.57 | Akbar | NikosGr, yes |
| 20:40.02 | valdyn | NikosGr: etch == testing for now, and using the word etch is to be preferred |
| 20:40.06 | Akbar | but you will grab the etch source code |
| 20:40.18 | Akbar | and build it against your stable distro |
| 20:40.30 | Akbar | *source deb |
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| 20:40.39 | dli | wine got black boxes as fonts, how to fix it? |
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| 20:41.06 | valdyn | dli: msttcorefonts is installed? |
| 20:41.15 | Akbar | wouldn't it be better to compile with fakeroot? |
| 20:41.22 | Akbar | :) |
| 20:41.28 | valdyn | Akbar: yea |
| 20:41.38 | unity | is there a way to allow any user to mount a iso image into a subdirectory of their own home? |
| 20:41.39 | rohan | Akbar: that would add more complexity, more than i think NikosGr can handle :D |
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| 20:41.55 | dli | valdyn, I see |
| 20:41.55 | rohan | unity: i am not sure, but i tried a lot the other day, impossible for me |
| 20:41.55 | valdyn | unity: a specific iso, yes |
| 20:42.00 | NikosGr | indeed rohan |
| 20:42.02 | NikosGr | 82% [Connecting to ftp.debian.org (128.101.240.212)] |
| 20:42.07 | NikosGr | i stuck here |
| 20:42.15 | dli | valdyn, I suppose it's not freely available? |
| 20:42.16 | rohan | NikosGr: that is a network problem :D |
| 20:42.24 | unity | valdyn: i want to do it for any iso, i know the fstab way |
| 20:42.24 | valdyn | dli: its in debian |
| 20:42.25 | NikosGr | my netork is fine |
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| 20:42.28 | rohan | NikosGr: press ctrl-c , pres the up arrow key, and press enter |
| 20:42.31 | evaded | NikosGr: Take an mirror?? |
| 20:42.38 | blondie | NikosGr: have you installed firefox yet? |
| 20:42.41 | valdyn | unity: that is a little more tricky |
| 20:42.41 | Akbar | kill it start it again |
| 20:42.49 | evaded | NikosGr: That serve are over used i guess |
| 20:43.04 | Garp | Hi. I've a question with Mozilla. When one run mozilla, there is an expected 'lock' in ~/.mozilla/default/something/ . THis lock file is a symlink on a file of the form IP:PID . I never remember seing anything else than my own IP when running mozilla, now, I see some strnge IP (208.254.3.166), any reason why ? Thanks. |
| 20:43.11 | dli | valdyn, thanks |
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| 20:43.32 | valdyn | unity: write a SUID script doing it |
| 20:43.58 | unity | valdyn: ok i will conisder doing that, thanks |
| 20:44.08 | unity | valdyn: i was thinking maybe there would be a nicer solution |
| 20:44.28 | rohan | valdyn: in the copy paste service you did not give the dpkg -i command :) |
| 20:44.33 | valdyn | unity: unfortunately mount checks its caller UID |
| 20:44.49 | valdyn | unity: ( or else there would be another big security hole ) |
| 20:45.03 | unity | valdyn: just mounting isos is a security hole? |
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| 20:45.22 | valdyn | unity: no, if mount didnt check its caller then anyone could mount anything |
| 20:45.40 | NikosGr | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 20:45.40 | NikosGr | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:45.40 | NikosGr | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:45.51 | valdyn | haha |
| 20:45.55 | NikosGr | damn, how can i get that ktorrenr file? |
| 20:45.57 | valdyn | NikosGr: did you convert my >> to > ? |
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| 20:46.04 | NikosGr | no |
| 20:46.14 | NikosGr | that woudl deleet sdource list |
| 20:46.20 | valdyn | NikosGr: you cleared your sources.list file |
| 20:46.37 | rohan | valdyn: he said no .. |
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| 20:46.46 | NikosGr | no it sthere i usee >> for addition |
| 20:46.48 | valdyn | rohan: the error message disagrees |
| 20:46.50 | NikosGr | not > |
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| 20:47.12 | NikosGr | damn, how can i get that ktorrenr file? |
| 20:47.15 | gpm | hey guys. how do you search by packages that provide an alternative (like, for use in update-alternatives)...like if i want to find all packages that provide x-www-browser, what would i type? |
| 20:47.17 | valdyn | NikosGr: look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:47.35 | NikosGr | yes |
| 20:47.42 | valdyn | NikosGr: what does it contain? |
| 20:47.42 | NikosGr | i only have debs there |
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| 20:47.46 | NikosGr | not deb-src |
| 20:47.50 | NikosGr | if that is wrong |
| 20:47.55 | valdyn | NikosGr: yea |
| 20:48.00 | rohan | valdyn: omg .. you are right :( |
| 20:48.06 | NikosGr | apt-setup |
| 20:48.07 | NikosGr | ? |
| 20:48.18 | valdyn | NikosGr: my fault, change 'my' deb to deb-src |
| 20:48.38 | NikosGr | a i see its ok |
| 20:49.06 | NikosGr | valdyn, gieb the leina gian plz |
| 20:49.10 | evaded | NikosGr: I can suggest you to print 2 pages of the 'reference' of debian '/msg dpkg refcard' |
| 20:49.14 | NikosGr | i lost it |
| 20:49.39 | valdyn | NikosGr: 'deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main' |
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| 20:50.14 | azol | gpm: update-alternatives --display ? |
| 20:50.15 | evaded | NikosGr: Print that page, recto verso and leave it on you're desk. I find it very usefull! |
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| 20:50.20 | NikosGr | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 20:50.20 | NikosGr | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:50.20 | NikosGr | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:50.25 | NikosGr | cho "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:50.28 | NikosGr | this is ok? |
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| 20:50.45 | evaded | NikosGr: cho?? |
| 20:50.48 | gpm | azol: no, i mean i want to find packages that provide x-www-browser that i don't have installed right now. i'm guessing it's possible through apt |
| 20:50.50 | gpm | hoping |
| 20:50.57 | NikosGr | ? |
| 20:51.12 | valdyn | NikosGr: it seems ok, but you asked you to CHANGE that line, with just deb, if you add a new line you need to _remove_ that earlier 'wrong' line |
| 20:51.24 | valdyn | I asked you, even |
| 20:51.26 | NikosGr | i did :) |
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| 20:51.34 | rohan | NikosGr: use this as your /etc/apt/sources.list -- http://pastebin.com/702446 |
| 20:51.34 | valdyn | NikosGr: alright then |
| 20:51.37 | NikosGr | i only left deb-src |
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| 20:51.53 | Garp | Hi again, sorry to ask again... |
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| 20:52.02 | rohan | NikosGr: really, use what i just pasted .. you seem to have messed your sources.list :D |
| 20:52.14 | gpm | oh well |
| 20:52.59 | WillyWortel | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 20:53.07 | Garp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.23 | valdyn | rohan: does debian-unofficial integrate with marillat ( libdvdcss is in both.. ) ? |
| 20:53.31 | qwertz | Hi, is there some doku for the pam_mkhomedir.so module? especially for the available options. |
| 20:54.07 | rohan | valdyn: yes |
| 20:54.28 | NikosGr | Build command 'cd ktorrent-1.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. |
| 20:54.32 | rohan | valdyn: like, they exist together. and i need debian-unofficial since it has many packages whih opera doesnt |
| 20:54.37 | rohan | ouch |
| 20:54.43 | NikosGr | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 20:54.50 | NikosGr | this is my souces amongt others stuff |
| 20:54.59 | NikosGr | plz this ktrrent thing gets on my nerves |
| 20:55.02 | rohan | NikosGr: you did apt-get update, and apt-get build-dep ktorrent ? |
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| 20:55.04 | valdyn | NikosGr: now on to the other commands to build ktorrent |
| 20:55.15 | NikosGr | yes :) |
| 20:55.23 | NikosGr | yes |
| 20:55.36 | NikosGr | all as one line argument |
| 20:56.07 | rohan | NikosGr: life is not always this simple :) |
| 20:56.16 | Akbar | lol |
| 20:56.28 | NikosGr | i guess so :) |
| 20:56.44 | NikosGr | E: Build-dependencies for ktorrent could not be sati |
| 20:56.48 | rohan | NikosGr: mkdir ~/builds; cd ~/builds; sudo apt-get build-dep ktorrent; sudo apt-get -b source ktorrent; sudo dpkg -i ktorrent*.deb |
| 20:56.52 | Akbar | can I have the photoshop src code ;/ |
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| 20:57.16 | valdyn | NikosGr: that's a good error message, which package exactly cant be installed? |
| 20:57.24 | NikosGr | E: Build-dependencies for ktorrent could not be satisfied. |
| 20:57.34 | NikosGr | it doesnst tell |
| 20:57.43 | guess2 | how much avg time does it take to compile a kernel? |
| 20:57.47 | Akbar | I guess kdelibs |
| 20:57.52 | valdyn | NikosGr: run 'apt-get -b source ktorrent', that will tell you |
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| 20:58.02 | rohan | guess2: depends on your pc specs |
| 20:58.13 | NikosGr | what deos this lien do valdyn ? |
| 20:58.22 | rohan | guess2: on my p3 550mhz 256mb ram (my one and only box) it takes 1.5 hours |
| 20:58.32 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:58.33 | valdyn | NikosGr: tries to build ktorrent, it will fail and tell which packages its missing |
| 20:58.36 | Akbar | :P |
| 20:58.37 | rohan | guess2: a configured and minimalized one :) |
| 20:58.52 | valdyn | guess2: 15 minutes |
| 20:59.09 | NikosGr | its liek .cnfigure && make && make install ? |
| 20:59.09 | guess2 | ic |
| 20:59.23 | guess2 | my system is p800 160mb ram |
| 20:59.24 | valdyn | NikosGr: does a few more things, just run it.. |
| 20:59.40 | NikosGr | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: autotools-dev kdelibs4-dev libpcre3-dev |
| 20:59.43 | Akbar | NikosGr, it will give you a deb package :) |
| 20:59.45 | NikosGr | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 20:59.45 | NikosGr | dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) |
| 20:59.45 | NikosGr | Build command 'cd ktorrent-1.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. |
| 20:59.45 | NikosGr | E: Child process failed |
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| 20:59.48 | tralala | guess2: compiling your own kernels is usually a bad idea |
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| 20:59.56 | valdyn | !info libpcre3-dev sarge |
| 21:00.00 | dpkg | libpcre3-dev: (Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.5-1.2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 21:00.03 | rohan | !tell guess2 about custom kernel |
| 21:00.04 | NikosGr | damn why its failing |
| 21:00.06 | valdyn | !info kdelibs4-dev |
| 21:00.07 | tralala | !tell NikosGr -about paste |
| 21:00.10 | dpkg | kdelibs4-dev: (development files for the KDE core libraries), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.2-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1317 kB, Installed size: 7408 kB |
| 21:00.20 | valdyn | !info kdelibs4-dev sarge |
| 21:00.23 | dpkg | kdelibs4-dev: (KDE core libraries (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1211 kB, Installed size: 6952 kB |
| 21:00.28 | Akbar | Unmet build dependencies: autotools-dev kdelibs4-dev libpcre3-dev <- that's why |
| 21:00.33 | valdyn | !info autotools-dev |
| 21:00.34 | guess2 | tralala: im just trying to use 2.6.16.14, coz stable is only 2.6.8-3 |
| 21:00.35 | dpkg | autotools-dev: (Update infrastructure for config.{guess,sub} files), section devel, is optional. Version: 20060223.1 (sid), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 21:00.37 | valdyn | !info autotools-dev sarge |
| 21:00.38 | NikosGr | damn bloddy ktorrent |
| 21:00.39 | dpkg | autotools-dev: (Update infrastructure for config.{guess,sub} files), section devel, is optional. Version: 20050422.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 21:00.45 | valdyn | NikosGr: hold on |
| 21:00.51 | Akbar | NikosGr, you will be leet after this :) |
| 21:01.03 | NikosGr | lol, Akbar |
| 21:01.05 | valdyn | !info autotools-dev sarge |
| 21:01.08 | rohan | !info kdelibs4-dev sarge |
| 21:01.09 | dpkg | autotools-dev: (Update infrastructure for config.{guess,sub} files), section devel, is optional. Version: 20050422.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 21:01.12 | dpkg | kdelibs4-dev: (KDE core libraries (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1211 kB, Installed size: 6952 kB |
| 21:01.13 | NikosGr | i would be lamer still as i am now |
| 21:01.14 | NikosGr | :) |
| 21:01.18 | rohan | why is failing |
| 21:01.25 | minerale | does tar support lzh format? |
| 21:01.31 | rohan | NikosGr: did you apt-get update ? and is your stable line correct ? |
| 21:01.37 | NikosGr | yes it is |
| 21:01.40 | valdyn | NikosGr: apt-get install kdelibs4-dev autotools-dev libpcre3-dev |
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| 21:01.47 | Akbar | install those dev packages |
| 21:01.50 | NikosGr | deb http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 21:01.51 | Akbar | yeah |
| 21:01.58 | NikosGr | here is one stanle lien of mine |
| 21:02.00 | tralala | guess2: use backports |
| 21:02.15 | NikosGr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:02.15 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.19 | valdyn | mystery to me why that didnt already install, lets see your error message when you run the apt-get i gave above |
| 21:02.27 | Akbar | hmmmm |
| 21:02.28 | NikosGr | and others |
| 21:02.29 | valdyn | NikosGr: you have a fucked system somehow |
| 21:02.34 | evaded | NikosGr: paster you're config on 'pastebin', ask if you not know about 'pastebin' |
| 21:02.35 | valdyn | !info libarts-dev sarge |
| 21:02.39 | valdyn | !info libarts1-dev sarge |
| 21:02.42 | dpkg | libarts1-dev: (aRts Sound system (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 1217 kB, Installed size: 6656 kB |
| 21:02.44 | NikosGr | valdyn, i just instaleld it yesterday man |
| 21:02.48 | Akbar | broken? |
| 21:02.57 | rere | hello....,can you speak Indonesian???????????? |
| 21:03.02 | rohan | NikosGr: please do "sudo apt-get -f install" |
| 21:03.15 | evaded | rere Can you speak English? |
| 21:03.16 | NikosGr | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 480 not u |
| 21:03.23 | Akbar | oh man |
| 21:03.24 | valdyn | NikosGr: i dont know how you fucked it |
| 21:03.27 | Akbar | etch |
| 21:03.31 | NikosGr | i didnt |
| 21:03.34 | valdyn | NikosGr: show us your complete /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:03.42 | NikosGr | i just installed a netinstall yesterday |
| 21:03.42 | rohan | NikosGr: not here ! on pastebin.com |
| 21:03.56 | evaded | !paste |
| 21:03.56 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:04.06 | Akbar | !info libarts1-dev sarge |
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| 21:04.09 | dpkg | libarts1-dev: (aRts Sound system (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 1217 kB, Installed size: 6656 kB |
| 21:04.12 | valdyn | NikosGr: well, you put a wrong line into your /etc/apt/sources.list, not us |
| 21:04.18 | tralala | rere: is your '?' key broken? |
| 21:04.18 | DimGR_lap | haha |
| 21:04.20 | Akbar | that version is old, that's why |
| 21:04.38 | Akbar | !info libarts1-dev etch |
| 21:04.41 | dpkg | libarts1-dev: (development files for the aRts sound system core components), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.5.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1224 kB, Installed size: 6523 kB |
| 21:04.45 | Akbar | oh |
| 21:04.51 | NikosGr | http://pastebin.com/70247 |
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| 21:05.03 | tralala | Akbar: why don't you msg the bot? |
| 21:05.04 | valdyn | NikosGr: nothing on that site |
| 21:05.08 | rere | just a litle" honey.can u speak Indonesian Evaded????????????? |
| 21:05.16 | NikosGr | http://pastebin.com/702478 |
| 21:05.27 | evaded | rere: Need you beer???!!! |
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| 21:05.41 | Ronin | evaded: always need beer |
| 21:05.42 | vanbastek | ;] |
| 21:06.01 | valdyn | NikosGr: line 7 must be removed |
| 21:06.04 | Ronin | thats why i have over 24 cases upstairs |
| 21:06.08 | rere | No honey......? |
| 21:06.11 | valdyn | NikosGr: the one containing etch |
| 21:06.22 | dvs | NikosGr: first of all, you have both stable and testing in there |
| 21:06.24 | rohan | NikosGr: keep line 11 as is, remove 7 and 9 |
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| 21:06.35 | rohan | NikosGr: since line 9 is repeat |
| 21:06.51 | rohan | +ed |
| 21:07.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:07.04 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:07.30 | diego | hi, anybody can help me to install the MSI 370i webcam in debian sidamd64? |
| 21:07.32 | rohan | tarzeau: really, you are paid money by someone to do !popcon ? ive seen you do it many times :P |
| 21:07.45 | tarzeau | rohan: :) zero dollars |
| 21:08.02 | NikosGr | delet marilalt as well?? |
| 21:08.08 | rohan | NikosGr: no |
| 21:08.11 | rohan | NikosGr: keep marillat |
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| 21:08.39 | rere | yes,off course. |
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| 21:08.55 | rohan | tarzeau: :) |
| 21:09.04 | NikosGr | ok |
| 21:09.06 | NikosGr | update now? |
| 21:09.10 | rohan | yes |
| 21:09.11 | valdyn | NikosGr: yep |
| 21:09.30 | rere | I am Indonesian people.do u like asian man,evaded.........? |
| 21:09.30 | NikosGr | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 21:09.37 | guess2 | tralala: how can i use this on stable: linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
| 21:09.45 | guess2 | tralala: i found it at backports.org |
| 21:09.53 | rohan | rere: use /msg evaded to talk stuff that would not interest others |
| 21:09.55 | evaded | rere: You have drink all the beer here, no one beer left. That's sad news |
| 21:10.08 | rohan | guess2: there are instructions on backports.org |
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| 21:10.18 | NikosGr | valdyn, now |
| 21:10.27 | valdyn | NikosGr: apt-get build-dep ktorrent |
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| 21:10.32 | rohan | NikosGr: apt-get build-dep ktorrent |
| 21:10.43 | NikosGr | E: Build-dependencies for ktorrent could not be satisfied. |
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| 21:10.48 | guess2 | rohan: nope, i read |
| 21:10.50 | evaded | rere: If you want, i will talk a little bit private |
| 21:10.53 | NikosGr | apt-get install kdelibs4-dev autotools-dev libpcre3-d |
| 21:10.53 | Noboru | with the default sarge installation,sshd is installed, its not in Etch |
| 21:10.56 | NikosGr | maybe this first? |
| 21:10.58 | rohan | yes NikosGr do that |
| 21:11.07 | vmv | who like Debian ? |
| 21:11.08 | tralala | guess2: yes, there are |
| 21:11.10 | NikosGr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:11.12 | Noboru | can you suggest me a nice sshd for Etch ? |
| 21:11.17 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.18 | Akbar | ktorrent got a sh1tload of deps :o |
| 21:11.30 | valdyn | NikosGr: did you really run 'apt-get udpate' ? |
| 21:11.30 | NikosGr | what the fuck! |
| 21:11.35 | NikosGr | yes |
| 21:11.37 | evaded | vmv: Who not love it?? These that never have use it!! |
| 21:11.38 | Gokee2 | If I messed up /usr/src/linux how should I fix it? |
| 21:11.45 | NikosGr | dell:~# apt-get udpate |
| 21:11.45 | NikosGr | E: Invalid operation udpate |
| 21:11.47 | NikosGr | what!??!?! |
| 21:11.50 | Akbar | update |
| 21:11.53 | Akbar | ;/ |
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| 21:11.57 | vmv | im use Debian but Slackware better :> |
| 21:11.59 | rohan | NikosGr: update :P |
| 21:12.05 | rere | ok,common? |
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| 21:12.13 | Akbar | what's udpate? :P |
| 21:12.15 | NikosGr | loooooooool |
| 21:12.24 | NikosGr | ok done |
| 21:12.24 | Noboru | vmv, you are kidding ? |
| 21:12.36 | valdyn | NikosGr: apt-get build-dep ktorrent should work now |
| 21:12.36 | NikosGr | E: Broken packages |
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| 21:12.45 | evaded | vmv: i'm sure you use 110V, here we use 220v :-/ |
| 21:12.49 | Akbar | thats just wrong |
| 21:12.50 | NikosGr | E: Build-dependencies for ktorrent could not be satisfied |
| 21:12.54 | vmv | sometimes but now im serious , Debian is good OS but Slackware is Good too |
| 21:13.02 | tralala | no, just trolling |
| 21:13.04 | NikosGr | what th fuck |
| 21:13.07 | valdyn | NikosGr: show your current /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:13.10 | Akbar | maybe that greek mirror is broken |
| 21:13.10 | rohan | vmv: depends on you want |
| 21:13.11 | Noboru | what is the name of the default sshd in sarge/Etch ? |
| 21:13.26 | tralala | Windows is good as well |
| 21:13.29 | NikosGr | join #flood |
| 21:13.33 | vmv | rohan: im using in Slackware Swaret and im OK :> |
| 21:13.37 | evaded | Noboru: openssh?? |
| 21:13.42 | bbrazil | NikosGr: ssh |
| 21:13.44 | NikosGr | join #flood |
| 21:13.47 | rohan | vmv: oh, ok.. |
| 21:13.51 | Noboru | evaded, openssh or opensshd ? |
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| 21:13.54 | NikosGr | ssh? |
| 21:13.58 | tralala | actually it's the best OS for playing the Need For Speed! |
| 21:14.07 | valdyn | NikosGr: you still didnt remove the 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main' line |
| 21:14.21 | Noboru | tralala, haha,kid -_- |
| 21:14.22 | vmv | OK im Use and like two Distro Debian & Slackware rest is sucks |
| 21:14.23 | rere | evaded ; where are u honey........? |
| 21:14.25 | valdyn | !tell Noboru -about search |
| 21:14.25 | NikosGr | but we were supposed toe cho it before |
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| 21:14.32 | NikosGr | we need this doent we? |
| 21:14.36 | Akbar | no |
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| 21:14.41 | evaded | !tell rere about u |
| 21:14.42 | valdyn | NikosGr: no that was the deb-src line, i told you to remove the deb ... line |
| 21:14.44 | Akbar | only the deb-src |
| 21:14.54 | Akbar | :D |
| 21:14.59 | _rain | all: i'm starting some projects at the univ. where i work, can anyone point me to some resources for proper specifications of coding style/cvs conventions etc ? |
| 21:15.13 | Akbar | deb-src <- src |
| 21:15.16 | Akbar | :P |
| 21:15.17 | craq | ok.. so i just got a pocket pc given to me by my boss and i read online someone installing debian on one |
| 21:15.19 | Noboru | valdyn, thanks,i know how to do that search but ... |
| 21:15.20 | craq | anyone in here do that? |
| 21:15.22 | tralala | thanks for sharing with us, vmv |
| 21:15.25 | rere | can u speak indonesian.? |
| 21:15.31 | NikosGr | ok done |
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| 21:15.46 | Noboru | valdyn, i meant i was using that default sshd comes with sarge install but i dont know the name of it,now i have no ssh in Etch |
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| 21:16.03 | evaded | !tell rere -about rules |
| 21:16.04 | rohan | dhclient always adds a "search" line to the top of my /etc/resolv.conf and my domain name is empty, so all dns take a long time to resolve. how do i tell dhclient not to add it ? |
| 21:16.12 | Noboru | valdyn, That one in sarge was good one |
| 21:16.16 | WillyWortel | What's normally the devicename of a wireless-nic ? |
| 21:16.17 | guess2 | where can i find menu.lst ? |
| 21:16.23 | NikosGr | its finally working |
| 21:16.26 | foo | Hm, I am trying to get this cd-rw drive working under debian. I am using my IDE to USB adapter ... lsusb shows, Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05e3:0701 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter ... but dmesg says usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x5e3/0x701) is not claimed by any active driver ... any ideas on how I can mount the drive and copy a cd with it? |
| 21:16.27 | valdyn | NikosGr: apt-get build-dep ktorrent |
| 21:16.34 | _rain | NikosGr: apt-cache search ssh |
| 21:16.49 | guess2 | oh nvm |
| 21:16.49 | _rain | Noboru: apt-cache search ssh |
| 21:16.58 | rere | evaded : how old are u,honey.? |
| 21:16.58 | Gokee2 | Anyone know how to fix /usr/src/linux? |
| 21:17.00 | NikosGr | rain i do have secure shell install |
| 21:17.02 | Noboru | _rain, ok |
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| 21:17.20 | evaded | rere: No matters how old i'm not!! |
| 21:17.21 | craq | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ what version would i try for pocket pc ? |
| 21:17.23 | rohan | i really need to remove this "search" line, cant i set /etc/dhclient.conf to not add that line ? |
| 21:17.28 | NikosGr | apt-get build-dep ktorrent == ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 21:17.31 | valdyn | foo: using a debian kernel? |
| 21:17.34 | rohan | no, minerale |
| 21:17.38 | rohan | no, NikosGr |
| 21:17.52 | valdyn | NikosGr: NO, 'apt-get -b source ktorrent' |
| 21:17.54 | rohan | NikosGr: that will be done by "apt-get -b source ktorrent" |
| 21:17.58 | valdyn | NikosGr: its not the same |
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| 21:18.17 | foo | valdyn: yes. hmm, 2.4. ... err, I am on unstable, I tried installing 2.6.16.12-14-646 ... and dpkg installed lilo and uninstalled grub ... and the 2.6 kernel wasn't added to the grub menu. I bet that's why. |
| 21:18.19 | rere | i like mature woman,are u? |
| 21:18.26 | NikosGr | apt-get -b source ktorrent == ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 21:18.28 | rohan | rere: really, you are trolling |
| 21:18.30 | rohan | NikosGr: yes |
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| 21:18.44 | rohan | ok, i am off |
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| 21:18.51 | NikosGr | and apt-get build-dep ktorrent |
| 21:18.52 | NikosGr | ? |
| 21:18.55 | WillyWortel | What's normally the devicename of a wireless-nic ? |
| 21:18.56 | rohan | NikosGr: valdyn will take care of you i hope ;) lol |
| 21:19.04 | Akbar | rohan okay man later |
| 21:19.04 | dli | which tool to copy a data cd to one .iso image? |
| 21:19.08 | NikosGr | roha yash :) |
| 21:19.12 | kimo | anyone using samba as PDC with ldap backend. I am facing trouble updating the ldap password with the samba one! |
| 21:19.13 | NikosGr | thank fo everything man |
| 21:19.15 | NikosGr | :) |
| 21:19.19 | NikosGr | thanks for everything man |
| 21:19.19 | evaded | WillyWortel: wlan0 or ath0 |
| 21:19.20 | rohan | NikosGr: bla .. just do "apt-get build-dep ktorrent; apt-get -b source ktorrent" |
| 21:19.21 | valdyn | NikosGr: where are you stuck now? |
| 21:19.24 | rohan | and then dpkg -i |
| 21:19.25 | kimo | dli: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso |
| 21:19.29 | rohan | bye Akbar , NikosGr |
| 21:19.39 | vmv | some persons like gay ? |
| 21:19.40 | evaded | WillyWortel: Depend a bit of the brand of it |
| 21:19.41 | vmv | :> |
| 21:19.42 | NikosGr | by rohan |
| 21:19.44 | NikosGr | thanka again |
| 21:19.46 | dli | kimo, ah? thanks :) |
| 21:19.48 | NikosGr | val;dyn nowhere |
| 21:19.48 | rere | evaded,where are u honey..? |
| 21:19.51 | rohan | NikosGr: :> |
| 21:19.52 | foo | valdyn: Any idea on how to go about working with that problem? |
| 21:19.53 | NikosGr | jsut wonder what thsi does |
| 21:20.00 | NikosGr | apt-get build-dep ktorrent |
| 21:20.02 | vmv | i need woman :> |
| 21:20.02 | valdyn | foo: now idea how 2.4 works in current sid, but you will probably need to load the usb storage modules manually |
| 21:20.07 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 21:20.07 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 21:20.13 | vanbastek | Ineed$ |
| 21:20.14 | vmv | !woman |
| 21:20.14 | dpkg | methinks woman is do a 'man woman' (apt-get install funny-manpages) |
| 21:20.14 | foo | valdyn: ahhh, ok. |
| 21:20.19 | evaded | rere: Install honeypot if you want, but IGNORE me an leave me with the others!!!!!! |
| 21:20.32 | vmv | !man woman |
| 21:20.49 | vmv | hmm |
| 21:20.51 | vmv | not work |
| 21:20.52 | vmv | :> |
| 21:20.53 | NikosGr | apt-get build-dep ktorrent what doe it do? |
| 21:20.56 | valdyn | NikosGr: that installs packages required to compile ktorrent |
| 21:21.04 | foo | valdyn: ahh! Thanks. That's it. |
| 21:21.07 | NikosGr | builds a a deb package by the source? |
| 21:21.26 | WillyWortel | evaded, my dmesg says its : Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 21:21.35 | rere | vmv :did u likr 69.................? |
| 21:21.37 | valdyn | !ipw2200 |
| 21:21.37 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ip2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:21.43 | vanbastek | rotfl |
| 21:21.54 | vmv | rere: what? |
| 21:21.59 | ifvoid | anyone in .mx already? |
| 21:22.08 | Morydd | from X, why would ctrl+alt+Fx not take me to a terminal? |
| 21:22.21 | vmv | !rt2500 |
| 21:22.28 | evaded | !ops rere are trolling |
| 21:22.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: rere are trolling |
| 21:22.34 | rere | vmv;69 style..? |
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| 21:22.46 | vanbastek | _-_ |
| 21:22.47 | vmv | rere trolling |
| 21:22.49 | vmv | lol |
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| 21:23.28 | chealer | evaded: please don't abuse !ops |
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| 21:23.40 | vmv | !cops |
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| 21:24.03 | evaded | chealer: I have use it one time! So i have not abuse it! Know you what abuse mean?? |
| 21:24.08 | rere | i"m a man,are u woman vmv............? |
| 21:24.16 | vmv | im sorry , who speak Chinese? |
| 21:24.17 | foo | HAHAHA. |
| 21:24.28 | vmv | rere go AWAY :> |
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| 21:24.35 | chealer | evaded: yes, I know what it means. then, don't use it when there's no need |
| 21:24.54 | evaded | chealer: Take beer and open you're eyes please! |
| 21:24.58 | rere | did u like sex,vmv.........? |
| 21:25.13 | foo | evaded: hm, you're asking for it. |
| 21:25.20 | Akbar | oh man |
| 21:25.23 | vmv | rere u jerk ? |
| 21:25.33 | evaded | Some guys need wiskey, beer an not enought i guess :-/ |
| 21:25.46 | chealer | vmv: please don't feed |
| 21:25.48 | gartt | I've never seen so much troll feeding |
| 21:25.54 | dvs | !botsnack |
| 21:25.54 | dpkg | dvs: aw, gee |
| 21:26.12 | david__ | I've never seen so many trolls in #debian |
| 21:26.15 | rere | vmv:please ML with me,ok......? |
| 21:26.23 | Ronin | gartt: need an @ to come in and fix it |
| 21:26.30 | foo | valdyn: Hm, alright, I got this: USB Mass Storage device found at 4 ... WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured .. it's a cd-rom drive ... hm, just trying to find out where it is. |
| 21:26.39 | Ronin | bet theyre all out in teh sun though if theyre smart :) |
| 21:26.50 | gartt | Ronin: Maybe, maybe not. This troll is pretty harmless- an ignore would do |
| 21:27.24 | valdyn | foo: /dev/sdX |
| 21:27.26 | craq | has anyone installed debian on a pocket pc ? |
| 21:27.31 | vmv | Debian some like is Mandriva |
| 21:27.39 | gartt | Then again, it sucks having to listen to others feeding the troll after you've ignored him |
| 21:27.40 | vanbastek | :D |
| 21:27.50 | _rain | vmv debian WHAT!? |
| 21:27.52 | rere | vmv........?spada....................? |
| 21:28.00 | Ronin | craq: not i but it wouls be interesting |
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| 21:28.15 | gartt | Pocket PC... nothing less practical except for SUVs maybe :P |
| 21:28.26 | craq | well my boss gave me a pocket pc |
| 21:28.27 | gartt | Impossible to get any real work done on one |
| 21:28.27 | vmv | tralala: tralala |
| 21:28.28 | vmv | :> |
| 21:28.32 | craq | i wana install linux on it! |
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| 21:28.40 | Ronin | craq: are you allowed to? heh |
| 21:28.46 | craq | i can do whatever the hell i want with this |
| 21:28.47 | craq | hehe |
| 21:28.51 | vmv | craq: instal slackware only one true Linux |
| 21:28.51 | vanbastek | craq: try NetBSD |
| 21:28.57 | david__ | gartt: I used to think that... but my work just gave me one that has wifi, bluetooth and triband phone |
| 21:28.58 | rere | tralala...........? |
| 21:28.59 | craq | hahah |
| 21:29.03 | craq | which one do i try! |
| 21:29.04 | craq | lol |
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| 21:29.21 | craq | can someone point me to a page that explains how or which version or some info |
| 21:29.31 | david__ | uh... debian.org? |
| 21:29.32 | gartt | david__: If you're going to make calls with the damn thing, use a cell phone. |
| 21:29.48 | evaded | craq: Have you search on google with the keywords 'debian pocket pc'? |
| 21:29.49 | vmv | no women no cry :> |
| 21:29.49 | gartt | Other than that, a small laptop does the job 10 times better |
| 21:30.03 | craq | yes but i get blogs and not really how to do it and what version etc.. |
| 21:30.06 | Ronin | all thats better |
| 21:30.11 | craq | im use to mandriva |
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| 21:30.19 | gartt | used* |
| 21:30.24 | craq | :) |
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| 21:30.26 | gartt | craq: My condolences. |
| 21:30.27 | vanbastek | nice |
| 21:30.29 | david__ | gartt: yeah... but the wifi is nice... and when my cell runs out of battery - i can just slip in my sim card and I'm golden... aslo - it takes a SD card, so I've got mp3 functionality as well |
| 21:30.40 | craq | but.. the server i've been playing with lately is debian |
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| 21:30.49 | craq | so i thought i'd give it a try on this pocket pc |
| 21:30.55 | craq | anyone interested in helping in this cool task |
| 21:30.56 | Ronin | craq: good plan |
| 21:30.56 | craq | heheh |
| 21:31.01 | gartt | david__: My cell lasts over a week without recharging- and my cell plays mp3s as well |
| 21:31.14 | gartt | I don't see the advantage of a pda/pocketpc |
| 21:31.29 | craq | its something to play with |
| 21:31.30 | craq | its a toy |
| 21:31.31 | craq | lol |
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| 21:31.37 | Ronin | gartt: it was free :) |
| 21:31.45 | craq | exactly |
| 21:31.46 | WillyWortel | dpkg, i tryed this commands earlier, but every time it failes in module-assistent/interactive mode. |
| 21:31.49 | gartt | Ronin: At least the price was right :P |
| 21:31.53 | craq | ya |
| 21:32.07 | Ronin | not positive but isnt there a ppc debian channel? |
| 21:32.10 | david__ | gartt: what I like is that I've got zero boot time and I can immediatly see my calendar as well as get a quick stock quote or check webmail |
| 21:32.11 | Ronin | !ppc |
| 21:32.11 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
| 21:32.18 | Ronin | ah power pc |
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| 21:32.34 | gartt | david__: The same applies for a dedicated phone |
| 21:32.37 | vanbastek | PPC != pocket pc |
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| 21:33.07 | david__ | david__: but can you surf with 802.11? |
| 21:33.08 | Ronin | craq: check out that url and that channel i suspect theyd know more then us |
| 21:33.14 | gartt | david__: Cell phone I mean |
| 21:33.19 | david__ | oops that was to gartt |
| 21:33.21 | craq | which ? |
| 21:33.23 | craq | powerpc? |
| 21:33.36 | gartt | david__: No, but I wouldn't want to on such a small display |
| 21:33.37 | NikosGr | ok build is finished |
| 21:33.43 | Ronin | doh damn fingers never mind |
| 21:33.54 | craq | ? |
| 21:33.55 | Ronin | got ahead of my brain again, bad ipa no wait good ipa |
| 21:34.01 | gartt | david__: And when it comes to typing, which most work requires, it's extremely inefficient compared to a keyboard |
| 21:34.06 | NikosGr | after that? apt-get build-dep ktorrent ? |
| 21:34.23 | gartt | There are 10" laptops out there that do the job many times better |
| 21:34.26 | valdyn | NikosGr: didnt you do 'apt-get build-dep ktorrent' yet? |
| 21:34.29 | NikosGr | eys |
| 21:34.33 | NikosGr | yes i jus did |
| 21:34.37 | NikosGr | just |
| 21:34.39 | valdyn | NikosGr: apt-get -b source ktorrent |
| 21:34.49 | Ronin | craq: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/13/linux_pocket_pc.html |
| 21:34.51 | david__ | gartt: I agree totally - i do practically no work on it... I just use it to sync with my PIM and some avantgo channels.. also podcasts, too |
| 21:34.53 | NikosGr | but i did that before |
| 21:34.53 | gartt | But if you're just using it to check mail and schedule things, use a phone.. or a 30-cent notepad from K-mart |
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| 21:35.03 | gartt | david__: Understood |
| 21:35.04 | valdyn | NikosGr: ls k*deb |
| 21:35.17 | NikosGr | ls: k*deb: No such file or directory |
| 21:35.21 | NikosGr | from what dir? |
| 21:35.28 | valdyn | NikosGr: run 'apt-get -b source ktorrent' |
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| 21:36.15 | NikosGr | that buils the source? |
| 21:36.25 | tralala | I want to have a pocket PC so I can read books and articles when I'm on the bus for work. |
| 21:36.27 | craq | wow.. if i can get vnc on this pocket pc |
| 21:36.28 | craq | lol |
| 21:36.29 | NikosGr | then what apt-get build-dep ktorrent did? |
| 21:36.34 | craq | tralala.. tahts the same for me |
| 21:36.39 | craq | watch a video or something on the bus ride |
| 21:36.39 | craq | hehe |
| 21:36.43 | valdyn | NikosGr: installed packages requried to build the source |
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| 21:37.05 | gartt | tralala: I guess that use would make sense |
| 21:37.19 | craq | bus rides to work in the am here in vancouver can be boring |
| 21:37.33 | craq | so i'd love to be able to watch a tv show i missed the night before |
| 21:37.33 | craq | lol |
| 21:37.40 | NikosGr | ok done |
| 21:37.50 | valdyn | NikosGr: ls k*deb |
| 21:38.27 | pakko | i just compiled 2.6.16.14, how can i make 'initrd' of it? like /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:38.34 | tralala | gartt: It's way more convinient that carrying a 2kg book. Not to speak about a few 2kg books when I'm not sure what exactly I would want to read. |
| 21:38.42 | NikosGr | before that apt-get build-dep ktorrent i didnt have for example the c compiler? |
| 21:38.44 | dvs | pakko: should have used the --initrd option |
| 21:38.50 | valdyn | NikosGr: probably |
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| 21:38.54 | pakko | dvs: when? |
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| 21:39.07 | dvs | pakko: when you used the make-kpkg command |
| 21:39.19 | tralala | pakko: you should have never compiled in the first place |
| 21:39.26 | dvs | tralala: true |
| 21:39.44 | pakko | tralala: im confused about that backports thing |
| 21:40.01 | pakko | 2.6.16.14 is not even there |
| 21:40.04 | david__ | tralala: what do you mean by that 'should never compile in the first place'? |
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| 21:40.10 | dvs | yeah! |
| 21:40.14 | gartt | Still though, I'd rather have a 10" laptop- high battery life, it can be suspended so boot time wouldn't be an issue, and it has the power of a full desktop workstation |
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| 21:40.37 | NikosGr | why ktorrent takes so much time to build? |
| 21:40.49 | david__ | gartt: that's an expensive system you just described |
| 21:40.53 | valdyn | NikosGr: why is the earth not flat? |
| 21:40.55 | tralala | gartt: I do have a laptop but I feel stupid using it in the bus. |
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| 21:41.01 | gartt | david__: True maybe- but yes and no |
| 21:41.01 | dondelelcaro | NikosGr: why are you building it? just install the debian package |
| 21:41.02 | pakko | tralala: ? |
| 21:41.06 | Coutal | does anybody know which package is supposed to contain 'termwrap' binary? |
| 21:41.09 | eguzkia | hello |
| 21:41.10 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: its not in sarge |
| 21:41.17 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: so backport it |
| 21:41.17 | magyar | where do i enable display of "last login from" for bash profile? |
| 21:41.17 | gartt | david__: Still cheaper than having a pocket pc and a laptop |
| 21:41.22 | eguzkia | sorry i don't remember how to indentify my self |
| 21:41.24 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: hes doing that |
| 21:41.36 | dondelelcaro | eguzkia: /msg nickserv help identify |
| 21:41.41 | NikosGr | dondelelcaro, i wanted that yes but no package for srage |
| 21:41.41 | Coutal | seems like that's the thing missing from my post d-i installation to run the base-config |
| 21:41.43 | NikosGr | sarge |
| 21:41.46 | tralala | david__: which part is confusing you? |
| 21:41.47 | Coutal | but i can't locate it via packages.debian.org |
| 21:41.53 | gartt | Because when you're on a business trip or something, you're not going to write reports on a pocketpc, unless you want to be up all night |
| 21:42.08 | WillyWortel | I'm using kernel 2.6.15-1-686 When installeing IPW2200driver with command : m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200, it failes in module assistent |
| 21:42.16 | NikosGr | its difficulyt to bleiev there sitn a sarge ktorrent package |
| 21:42.20 | Noboru | Etch Rocks |
| 21:42.36 | dondelelcaro | NikosGr: iirc librtorrent didn't exist when sarge released. |
| 21:42.36 | valdyn | WillyWortel: you should use the ipw2200 driver that is _included_ in that kernel probably |
| 21:42.44 | Noboru | apache2 php5 and mysql5 are working fine,just tested them :D |
| 21:42.51 | valdyn | !ipw2200 |
| 21:42.51 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ip2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:42.54 | NikosGr | iirc = ? |
| 21:42.56 | WillyWortel | Valdyn, how ? |
| 21:43.00 | gartt | With a small laptop, you don't make sacrifices and you get something hopefully small enough to work with while mobile |
| 21:43.06 | pakko | tralala: i should use 2.6.15-1 then |
| 21:43.07 | Noboru | But im not sure if my Etch is really running on XFS |
| 21:43.08 | dondelelcaro | NikosGr: actually, in this case it's likely that ktorrent didn't exist either |
| 21:43.09 | valdyn | WillyWortel: how what? |
| 21:43.18 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: mount; will tell you |
| 21:43.35 | gartt | With a pocket pc, you make many sacrifices, and it has a fraction of the ability of a workstation |
| 21:43.37 | david__ | gartt: there's no doubt that laptop can never be replaced... and I really used to be critical of PDAs... but i have found how to use them effectively and now I luv 'em |
| 21:43.40 | NikosGr | ok its done |
| 21:43.41 | tralala | pakko: you should use 2.6.8 unless you have a real reason not to use it |
| 21:43.44 | valdyn | WillyWortel: you probably need to download the firmware, that may be all |
| 21:43.49 | Noboru | i mean,i have selected XFS for my Etch,but since its running in vmware,hmm..it should be another story ? |
| 21:43.52 | pakko | tralala: its old |
| 21:44.03 | tralala | pakko: that's not a real reason |
| 21:44.05 | rere | i like sex |
| 21:44.09 | Coutal | gratt: theoretically, with the right peripherials, a modern pocketpc can provide ample computing power |
| 21:44.11 | pakko | !sex |
| 21:44.12 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:44.12 | NikosGr | now? |
| 21:44.17 | NikosGr | build is over |
| 21:44.26 | rere | i like making love |
| 21:44.27 | Coutal | think of a laptop-like chassis with a slot for your pocketpc |
| 21:44.29 | WillyWortel | I tryed as dpkg told me, i even did this before, but module-assistent says "Build of the package ipw2200-source failed" |
| 21:44.30 | valdyn | NikosGr: ls k*deb |
| 21:44.33 | gartt | david__: I'm no anti-PDA fanatic, I just don't see many reasonable uses for them. A laptop and an average cell phone that most people carry anyway seems many times more functional |
| 21:44.36 | david__ | gartt: I'd never try to input characters into a PDA if I can help it.... I just use it for output - reading calender, synced webpages, articles, podcasts. |
| 21:44.41 | NikosGr | ktorrent_1.1-2.1_i386.deb |
| 21:44.43 | dvs | valdyn: third time's a charm? |
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| 21:44.48 | valdyn | WillyWortel: DPKG TELS you that that driver is ALREADY in your kernel |
| 21:44.53 | Coutal | gartt: that's why PDA sales are down and smartphone sales are up |
| 21:44.53 | NikosGr | this is the package we produced? |
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| 21:45.00 | gartt | david__: And if that's all you're doing with a PDA, it makes plenty of sense |
| 21:45.01 | foo | I am using my IDE to USB cable ... this is what dmesg shows: http://pastebin.com/702562 ... it detects the drive.. I am trying to test by doing eject /dev/sda .. eject /dev/sdb ... but everytime I get eject: unable to open `/dev/sda' (as root) ... any ideas on what I am doing wrong? I am hooking up a cd-rom drive so I could use grip to rip a cd. |
| 21:45.02 | NikosGr | dpkg -i name? |
| 21:45.02 | valdyn | NikosGr: yep |
| 21:45.05 | valdyn | NikosGr: yes |
| 21:45.21 | gartt | Coutal: Probably- the difference between PDAs and phones is shrinking rapidly |
| 21:45.25 | CountZ | anyone in this channel knows if the debian package of snmpd is compiled with lm-sensors support by any chance? |
| 21:45.29 | magyar | how do i enable "Last login" for debian? |
| 21:45.44 | gartt | And since people have to carry phones anyway.. |
| 21:45.47 | CountZ | magyar: It's enabled by default on all my debian systems |
| 21:45.52 | Coutal | gartt: a pda can still be mighty nice for a salesperson for example, can bring you up-to-date information while being with the customer and not looking at your laptop |
| 21:45.53 | NikosGr | so all this time to prodeuce a deb package right? |
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| 21:45.57 | dvs | gartt: They don't have to |
| 21:45.57 | NikosGr | right from source |
| 21:46.01 | Coutal | some creativeness can go a long way |
| 21:46.10 | WillyWortel | i cant see it in Desktop > Administration > Networking, what im a doing wrong? |
| 21:46.11 | valdyn | NikosGr: all this time to get you to do 3 simple operations |
| 21:46.16 | Coutal | but most people don't think of using their PDA for more than a mobile calendar |
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| 21:46.22 | pakko | WillyWortel: how did you install 2.6.15.1? |
| 21:46.24 | valdyn | NikosGr: really this is a 30 second thing + idle time to let it compile |
| 21:46.26 | dvs | NikosGr: try and do it manually. |
| 21:46.27 | gartt | dvs: And I don't have to drive a car. But it's a thousand times easier than taking a bus |
| 21:46.27 | magyar | CountZ: how come i dont have it on my systems. I have them on mandrake |
| 21:46.28 | david__ | gartt: one big use I have is podcasts. if the PDA has an internet connection. there is gpl software that lets it sync podcasts. it's like a wireless ipod. |
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| 21:46.37 | NikosGr | valdyn, ok |
| 21:46.40 | CountZ | magyar: What happens when you type 'last'? |
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| 21:46.46 | NikosGr | whay i dont see a ktorrent icon is apps? |
| 21:46.49 | gartt | david__: If it's just output, maybe a PDA makes sense |
| 21:46.55 | pm2 | On sarge, I setup some rules in iptables. How do I save them? |
| 21:46.56 | WillyWortel | I installe ETCH, and after that apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:47.04 | valdyn | NikosGr: maybe you need to logout and back in for that, i dont know |
| 21:47.13 | valdyn | NikosGr: you can anyway run 'ktorrent' from a shell |
| 21:47.16 | Coutal | david__: too audio-unoptimized. i tried some of that with my pocket pc and it kills the battery |
| 21:47.17 | gartt | But with a few more inches and a higher price, a 10" laptop can do everything a desktop can, without sacrifices |
| 21:47.18 | abrotman | pm2: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 21:47.20 | magyar | CountZ: i see a list of logins |
| 21:47.32 | Coutal | gartt: plenty of applications even a 10" laptop is too big for |
| 21:47.39 | CountZ | magyar: Sounds good to me... has date of last login? |
| 21:47.39 | NikosGr | valdyn, yes that what i did |
| 21:47.56 | Coutal | has anybody here installed etch with d-i beta 2? |
| 21:48.06 | gartt | Coutal: 10" isn't very big- pretty easy to slide in and out of a small bag |
| 21:48.06 | pm2 | abrotman, yeah, just wondering if debian had some special script to automagically take care of it (like some have /etc/init.d/iptables --save or something) |
| 21:48.06 | david__ | I was surprise to find how usefull it is to be able to looks digital info up with no boot time. even without input functionality |
| 21:48.13 | Akbar | NikosGr, probably because of gnome.. |
| 21:48.13 | Coutal | i just finished my installation and it's broken |
| 21:48.35 | NikosGr | Akbar, yes |
| 21:48.40 | NikosGr | not i have no sound |
| 21:48.42 | NikosGr | great |
| 21:48.43 | magyar | CountZ: hushlogin :(, sorry |
| 21:48.46 | gartt | Coutal: Even more applications a pda is too small for :P |
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| 21:48.51 | NikosGr | now i have no sound |
| 21:48.56 | CountZ | magyar: figures ;-) |
| 21:49.00 | tralala | pm2: it does |
| 21:49.03 | NikosGr | ininstalaltion yesterday i must have specified soemthign wrong |
| 21:49.06 | pm2 | oh |
| 21:49.11 | Akbar | pfff :D |
| 21:49.28 | Akbar | alsamixer? |
| 21:49.34 | NikosGr | i dont know |
| 21:49.38 | Coutal | i have to say my pda lies with no use after getting my laptop |
| 21:49.39 | NikosGr | run aslamixer |
| 21:49.40 | NikosGr | ? |
| 21:49.41 | dvs | NikosGr: alsaconf |
| 21:49.43 | WillyWortel | pakko, I installed ETCH over the internet, and after that i did : apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 21:49.45 | magyar | CountZ: is there any other way to disable the mot that debian displays? |
| 21:49.51 | pakko | ic |
| 21:49.59 | CountZ | magyar: just edit /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net |
| 21:50.04 | Coutal | WillyWortel: did you use the netinst iso? |
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| 21:50.10 | CountZ | magyar: set them up as you like, or empty them... whatever :-) |
| 21:50.15 | NikosGr | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 21:50.18 | NikosGr | apt-get? |
| 21:50.23 | Akbar | sudo |
| 21:50.23 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 21:50.24 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist> |
| 21:50.26 | pakko | how do you build the package using make-kpkg with the --initrd option? |
| 21:50.27 | CountZ | magya: mine have colors and ascii art :-) |
| 21:50.28 | Akbar | as super user? |
| 21:50.30 | dvs | apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 21:50.31 | valdyn | !alsa checklist |
| 21:50.38 | valdyn | !alsa-checklist |
| 21:50.38 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 21:52.39 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.45 | abrotman | pm2: iptables-save |
| 21:52.49 | dvs | NikosGr: what did you do? |
| 21:52.50 | NikosGr | how do i test? |
| 21:52.53 | NikosGr | open an mp3? |
| 21:53.01 | NikosGr | dell:~# apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 21:53.05 | dvs | nope |
| 21:53.06 | NikosGr | and alsaconf |
| 21:53.10 | dvs | OK |
| 21:53.13 | david__ | i've got an old thinkpad600e (400MHz) with 224MB ram.. anyone think this is fast enough to load linux and browse with firefox? |
| 21:53.16 | pm2 | abrotman, yeah, I know - is there a file that debian reads that from, or should I just add iptables-restore to rc.local or something? |
| 21:53.25 | kimo | I think I might have been hacked. How can I check? |
| 21:53.25 | dvs | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 21:54.03 | abrotman | pm2: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. it explains most of what you're asking |
| 21:54.21 | NikosGr | thanks for all yout help folks! |
| 21:54.30 | NikosGr | especially you valdyn |
| 21:54.37 | NikosGr | thanks for your patience |
| 21:54.42 | NikosGr | have a good night |
| 21:55.06 | dvs | NikosGr: one more thing |
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| 21:55.13 | NikosGr | yes please |
| 21:55.26 | dvs | you have to add the snd_pcm_oss and another module to your /etc/modules file |
| 21:55.37 | pm2 | abrotman, I'm getting through it all |
| 21:55.39 | NikosGr | why? |
| 21:55.42 | dvs | or else sounds won't work on reboot |
| 21:56.01 | NikosGr | dvs, how? |
| 21:56.24 | magyar | CountZ: thanks |
| 21:56.37 | dvs | NikosGr: with an editor |
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| 21:56.48 | CountZ | magyar: my pleasure man |
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| 21:57.10 | magyar | CountZ: is there a way to display a linux_logo? |
| 21:57.27 | NikosGr | add this line snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 21:57.37 | CountZ | magyar: What do you mean by linux logo? |
| 21:57.41 | WillyWortel | Coutal, i used Debian testing 'etch', Official Snapshot i386 binairy-1 (businnescard-cd) from debian.org |
| 21:57.55 | dvs | NikosGr: yes, and one more. You have to list "lsmod" somewhere to see which one |
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| 21:58.40 | NikosGr | i did lsmod but hwta is it? |
| 21:58.58 | dvs | paste it |
| 21:59.13 | NikosGr | snd_intel8x0 36460 0 |
| 21:59.13 | NikosGr | snd_ac97_codec 69988 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 21:59.14 | magyar | CountZ: on mandrakes and redhats, when i boot i see a linux logo: penguin or some other, depending on the number of cpu's , I was wondering could those be displayed when loging in to bash |
| 21:59.20 | NikosGr | oen of this maybe? |
| 21:59.21 | dvs | NikosGr: snd_intel8x0 |
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| 21:59.36 | dvs | NikosGr: put it before the snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:59.41 | NikosGr | so i must add snd_intel8x0 and also snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:59.44 | dvs | yes |
| 21:59.54 | NikosGr | in empty lien sin .ect/modules? |
| 21:59.59 | CountZ | magyar: But that's graphical... |
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| 22:00.09 | CountZ | magyar: You are in text mode aren't you? |
| 22:00.11 | dvs | NikosGr: on their own lines in /etc/modules |
| 22:00.15 | NikosGr | yes |
| 22:00.30 | CountZ | magyar: you can have bootsplash in debian, grub and lilo support that stuff for a while now |
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| 22:01.14 | NikosGr | thanks ! |
| 22:01.16 | magyar | CountZ: on mandrake when i install a rpm called linux_logo and on test based login, one would see a resemlance of a penguin |
| 22:01.17 | NikosGr | good night! |
| 22:01.19 | NikosGr | thanks dvs |
| 22:01.24 | dvs | good night |
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| 22:01.28 | NikosGr | :) |
| 22:02.09 | CountZ | magyar: Ah, i'm sure there are nice text logos around |
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| 22:02.17 | CountZ | magyar: But doesn't sound like a very important feature to me ;-) |
| 22:03.10 | magyar | CountZ: looks sweet on vga=792 :) |
| 22:03.16 | CountZ | :-) |
| 22:03.26 | CountZ | I'll have to give that a try |
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| 22:08.51 | WillyWortel | Coutal, i installed Debian testing 'etch', Official Snapshot i386 binairy-1 (businnescard-cd) from debian.org |
| 22:09.06 | serfurj | i'm trying to have my USB drive mount at boot, but mountall.sh runs before hotplug is loaded. will it hurt anything if i 'mv /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh /etc/rcS.d/S42mountall.sh'? |
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| 22:12.58 | streuner | !tell mamars about away |
| 22:13.40 | serfurj | in other words, are an of S36discover, S36mountvirtfs, S36udev-mtab, S38pppd-dns, S39dns-clean, S39ifupdown, S40hostname.sh, or S40hotplug dependant on S35mountall.sh being run? |
| 22:14.09 | serfurj | *are any of |
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| 22:14.48 | pakko | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.16.14: Not a directory |
| 22:14.48 | pakko | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: MODULES needs to be set to none? |
| 22:14.48 | pakko | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 22:14.53 | pakko | how can i solve this? |
| 22:15.26 | serfurj | pakko: does /lib/modules/2.6.16.14 exist? |
| 22:15.53 | pakko | no |
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| 22:16.07 | serfurj | pakko: that's the problem |
| 22:16.13 | serfurj | read man mkinitrd |
| 22:16.23 | Laibsch | Hi, what is the best way to permanently activate the settings for the Trackpoint? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint |
| 22:16.53 | gartt | I hate flash... instead of serving some useful purpose, most of the time it's used as an annoyaning, CPU-intensive advertisement |
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| 22:20.53 | interbird | Laibsch: try cat trackpoint.settings > /proc/... or /sys/... at global loginscript -- trackpoint.settings is a file you create with your settings |
| 22:21.45 | Laibsch | interbird: Thank you for your help. |
| 22:21.59 | interbird | welcome |
| 22:22.05 | Laibsch | what is the global login script? |
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| 22:22.13 | Flosoft | hey |
| 22:22.14 | Laibsch | .xsession? |
| 22:22.25 | Laibsch | Why cat $$? |
| 22:22.31 | Flosoft | I am looking for a debian package of the kernel-headers-2.4.29 |
| 22:22.37 | Flosoft | can someone help me? |
| 22:22.42 | Laibsch | I could just echo the stuff straight, couldnt I? |
| 22:23.02 | Laibsch | Flosoft: Have you tried archive.debian.org? |
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| 22:23.11 | interbird | Laibsch: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 22:23.17 | Flosoft | I can't find it or I am doing something wrong |
| 22:23.31 | Laibsch | Flosoft: There is also another archival site which I cannot remember the name of right now. |
| 22:23.40 | Laibsch | interbird: Thanks. |
| 22:23.51 | Flosoft | I really need that package to compile |
| 22:23.55 | Flosoft | and I can't find it |
| 22:24.21 | interbird | Laibsch: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 22:25.20 | Flosoft | someone? |
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| 22:26.35 | Flosoft | where can I find this package |
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| 22:26.37 | Flosoft | ??? |
| 22:27.20 | Laibsch | Flosoft: "debian Archive"@google, 1st entry? |
| 22:27.41 | Flosoft | well it isn't in there or is it? |
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| 22:28.39 | interbird | Flosoft: In my repository it's not |
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| 22:30.45 | Laibsch | Flosoft: "kernel-headers-2.4.29 debian"@google 4th entry and then find your way to the proper place |
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| 22:31.08 | raf256 | how should I install a new KDE style? |
| 22:31.12 | raf256 | like that: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1499 ? |
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| 22:31.18 | flosch | hi |
| 22:31.25 | minerale | I have ended up with a lot of duplicate files on a folder, is there any pre-made script to match them? |
| 22:31.27 | raf256 | flosch: hello |
| 22:32.02 | enyc | minerale: errrm not that I know of... |
| 22:32.28 | enyc | minerale: erm you colud probbaly do some thing with md5sum and wc and sort or something? |
| 22:32.48 | threat | "so, were you in some type of accident?", "No, my father was a tree." |
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| 22:32.59 | AssO | minerale: what do you mean by match? |
| 22:33.09 | minerale | I menat identify |
| 22:33.11 | enyc | like... match based on what criteria |
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| 22:33.23 | enyc | size... date ... contents ... ? |
| 22:33.27 | enyc | similar names? |
| 22:33.28 | minerale | contents |
| 22:33.29 | threat | hi |
| 22:33.32 | threat | wats new? |
| 22:33.32 | AssO | md5sum |
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| 22:33.50 | Flosoft | the package is not for a P4? |
| 22:33.57 | threat | md5sum is old |
| 22:33.59 | enyc | get a list via md5sum first then.... |
| 22:34.02 | threat | SHA* is new :) |
| 22:34.04 | threat | newwer |
| 22:34.11 | minerale | well, I could just use the filesize too... but I was hoping not to have to write a srcript just for that |
| 22:34.13 | threat | lets all use SHA* |
| 22:34.17 | threat | since MD5 has collisions |
| 22:34.27 | alex116 | what file do i need to edit if I want to change the default values for the configure process when compiling an application? |
| 22:34.41 | threat | alex116, Makefile |
| 22:34.45 | alex116 | thx |
| 22:35.10 | threat | I would RTFM first though |
| 22:35.21 | threat | it may differ from project to project |
| 22:35.22 | AssO | minerale: that "script" can be so short it would barely deserve that name |
| 22:35.35 | enyc | erm |
| 22:35.45 | enyc | "md5sum * | sort > list.txt" will create a sorted list |
| 22:35.53 | enyc | (or equivalent in sha1 terms) |
| 22:35.55 | threat | yay |
| 22:36.02 | SonnyBurnett | does somebody use something like dreamweaver in linux? |
| 22:36.07 | threat | use sha |
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| 22:36.14 | threat | SonnyBurnett, yes |
| 22:36.49 | SonnyBurnett | threat, what is? |
| 22:36.49 | threat | SonnyBurnett, gedit, vi, nano and / or emacs will do the trick |
| 22:36.51 | SonnyBurnett | threat, lol |
| 22:37.03 | threat | of corse there is bluefish too |
| 22:37.12 | SonnyBurnett | threat, I dont want to re-invent the wheel |
| 22:37.13 | Firehand | SonnyBurnett: you could try quanta |
| 22:37.18 | threat | SonnyBurnett, you dont have to |
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| 22:37.31 | Flosoft | Laibsch: should I use smp? |
| 22:37.32 | threat | yuo dont have to re-specify the XHTML / HTML / CSS language |
| 22:37.34 | threat | just use it :) |
| 22:37.39 | threat | as defined by the standard |
| 22:37.43 | Akbar | SonnyBurnett, maybe something like nvu, bluefish? |
| 22:37.53 | SonnyBurnett | threat, That's why the CMS exist, right? |
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| 22:38.09 | enyc | "sha1sum * | sort > list.txt" will create a sorted list |
| 22:38.11 | threat | SonnyBurnett, CMS? I havn't heard of that acronym |
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| 22:38.37 | marimo | content management systems, and that's way beyond a simple html editor |
| 22:38.39 | interbird | Flosoft: use smp if you have more than one cpu in your system |
| 22:38.40 | threat | SonnyBurnett, goto www.w3c.com :) |
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| 22:38.45 | threat | oh contents managmeent system |
| 22:38.48 | SonnyBurnett | threat, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system |
| 22:38.52 | threat | ok thanx |
| 22:38.57 | threat | but I am going to bed now :P |
| 22:39.10 | threat | it is 8:39 AM and I havnt spelt yet from yesterday :P |
| 22:39.11 | marimo | SonnyBurnett, what are you trying t do |
| 22:39.37 | marimo | you can use rails or django |
| 22:39.43 | marimo | or buy a cms solution |
| 22:39.45 | threat | how good is drinking then having a shit load of Mc Donalds when it turns dawn :P |
| 22:39.48 | mikael_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.03 | ne0futur | spip is a good CMS too |
| 22:40.03 | threat | I am so going to throw up though, but it is worth it :P |
| 22:40.04 | pakko | how can i install 2.6.16.14 kernel, im using sarge |
| 22:40.04 | SonnyBurnett | marimo, simle web pages... something that save me time, instead writing the whole html language |
| 22:40.10 | marimo | threat, white castle |
| 22:40.10 | redguy | SonnyBurnett: and you are saying that DreamWeaver is a CMS? |
| 22:40.11 | Firehand | mikael_: for ubuntu problems go to #ubuntu |
| 22:40.19 | SonnyBurnett | redguy, no no... |
| 22:40.25 | marimo | SonnyBurnett, use wordpress |
| 22:40.33 | mikael_ | ok think you |
| 22:40.48 | ne0futur | mikael_: /join #ubuntu-fr |
| 22:40.54 | marimo | SonnyBurnett, you don't even need to make a webpage, just use a simple cms ... a blog would be the most elementary of CMSes |
| 22:41.04 | SonnyBurnett | redguy, I was telling threat that there many utilities that where made to avoid re-invent the wheel |
| 22:41.27 | marimo | SonnyBurnett, you're not reinventing the wheel by writing html |
| 22:41.28 | threat | marimo, what? |
| 22:41.29 | SpyderMan | mikael_ : I speak French if it canhelp |
| 22:41.30 | ne0futur | SonnyBurnett: try spip : http://spip.net |
| 22:41.30 | redguy | SonnyBurnett: nvu, screem or quanta might be what you are looking for |
| 22:41.38 | marimo | it's like writing a word document |
| 22:41.43 | marimo | or a TeX document |
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| 22:41.54 | SonnyBurnett | marimo, No no.... I just want to make a simple web page... without that thing,,, I use Joomla, but for another works.... |
| 22:42.03 | marimo | threat, I prefer white castle to mickeyd's, especially after a night of drinking |
| 22:42.11 | marimo | they slide down the gullet better ;) |
| 22:42.16 | threat | SonnyBurnett, yes but re-inventing the wheel doesnt mean using a program that generates HTML for you, that is just lazy |
| 22:42.19 | SonnyBurnett | redguy, yep I think.... I'd try them .. Thanks everybody |
| 22:42.27 | threat | what is white castle? |
| 22:42.38 | marimo | ah i guess it's a local thing |
| 22:42.48 | threat | what do they serve rthere? |
| 22:42.51 | thingfish | threat: home of grave digestive system upsets. |
| 22:42.52 | threat | and where is localk ? :P |
| 22:42.52 | redguy | threat: it's where the white mage lives |
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| 22:42.55 | marimo | they serve burgers |
| 22:42.56 | threat | hehe |
| 22:43.00 | threat | yum |
| 22:43.09 | threat | hungry jacks / buirger king? |
| 22:43.11 | marimo | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0366551/ |
| 22:43.16 | marimo | you should see this movie |
| 22:43.43 | marimo | they serve oldschool Sylder type burgers, patties cooked on top of a layer of chopped onions and almost bite-sized |
| 22:43.44 | threat | night |
| 22:43.53 | marimo | too bad ^_^ |
| 22:44.24 | SonnyBurnett | threat, Ok man, since tomorrow do not use cars, buses, aircrafts.... etc .... and stop being lazy! |
| 22:46.21 | marimo | how many of ya'll are sysadmin for a living |
| 22:46.35 | SpyderMan | depends |
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| 22:47.13 | marimo | you get paid to install, maintain, backup apps and systems, pull cables, move heavy shit around |
| 22:47.28 | marimo | the last few optional if you're enterprise |
| 22:47.37 | Halitherses | !imap |
| 22:47.37 | dpkg | i guess imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. |
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| 22:48.16 | marimo | i'm lookin to ditch my softeng job and go sysadmin |
| 22:48.18 | SpyderMan | marimo: where I work sysadmins don't do apps |
| 22:48.44 | SpyderMan | marimo application support do apps, sysadmin or "TSG" do the sys administration |
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| 22:48.50 | interbird | Sysadmins have a big heart for their job: http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html |
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| 22:49.46 | marimo | SpyderMan, cool? does that mean you're insulated from SAP or Oracle |
| 22:49.48 | Flosoft | I can't find the headers |
| 22:50.07 | Flosoft | kernel-headers-2.4.29 |
| 22:50.07 | Flosoft | does anyone know where I can get them? |
| 22:50.12 | SpyderMan | marimo : yes - the DBA TSG do the techy hardcore ORacle stuff |
| 22:50.19 | SpyderMan | marimo we do the apps |
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| 22:50.41 | marimo | SpyderMan, oracle sux ^^; I had to install AS and 10g on a fedora setup |
| 22:50.44 | marimo | it's such shit |
| 22:50.54 | interbird | Flosoft: But you run this kernel ? |
| 22:50.57 | SpyderMan | marimo if you need to use it, get a good DBA |
| 22:51.00 | Flosoft | yes |
| 22:51.03 | Flosoft | Debian Sarge |
| 22:51.04 | dli | can I build debian-installer with reiser4 support? |
| 22:51.44 | interbird | Flosoft: Looked here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 22:51.55 | marimo | SpyderMan, i've not done any admining that i get paid for in a year, just wondering if i can even get a junior linux admin position |
| 22:52.17 | Gokee2 | Hello everyone, I am wondering if someone would help me build a module for lirc. I have been trying to get it to work for about a week. I have read a lot of lirc stuff and module stuff but still can`t get the hang of it. Right now I am tying to do "make-kpkg modules_image" however it stops on "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h "" does not match current version: "2.6.15-1-686" Please correct this." I can f |
| 22:52.17 | Gokee2 | ix this by making a file called "/usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h" and putting "#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.15-1-686"" but then "make-kpkg modules_image" spits out some strange stuff http://pastebin.com/702660 Can anyone help with this? Thanks |
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| 22:52.35 | SpyderMan | marimo : well - I don't know, if you're worth anythig, you'll get a job, if not... :) |
| 22:52.59 | marimo | SpyderMan, heh there are guys at my company right now not worth shit and they get paid a lot more than me |
| 22:53.08 | Flosoft | interbird: theyre not there |
| 22:53.12 | Flosoft | kernel-headers-2.4.29 |
| 22:53.29 | SpyderMan | marimo : then you'll probably get a job :D |
| 22:53.30 | interbird | Flosoft: But the kernel-image is ? |
| 22:53.45 | Flosoft | but I need the headers to compil no? |
| 22:53.55 | interbird | Flosoft: Yes |
| 22:54.11 | interbird | Flosoft: can you do an uname -a ? |
| 22:54.11 | Flosoft | well ... so I need to find them |
| 22:54.36 | marimo | SpyderMan, it's pretty cool to see so many more linux admin jobs, just on a cursory examination of Craigslist or indeed.com searches |
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| 22:54.51 | marimo | SpyderMan, if I saw these posts a year ago i would've hopped on board then |
| 22:55.15 | Flosoft | interbird: Linux h621007.serverkompetenz.net 2.4.29 #3 SMP Tue Feb 15 01:47:49 CET 2005 i68 |
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| 22:55.32 | marimo | SpyderMan, but i've got no real experience doing high volume stuff so it's going to be a bit of a stretch >_< |
| 22:55.33 | Flosoft | and I need a kernel-header package for that |
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| 22:56.43 | interbird | Flosoft: And you installes that kernel with the installation of Debian ? |
| 22:56.52 | Flosoft | well yes |
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| 22:57.15 | Flosoft | it is an image of my ISP |
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| 22:57.22 | Flosoft | I updated it from 3.0 to 3.1 |
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| 22:59.17 | gpm | hey guys. i'm ripping audio CDs at 1.1x (with grip), and I KNOW my drive can do better. hdparm says dma is enabled...what gives? |
| 22:59.39 | SpyderMan | gpm crap CDs or a crap CD drive? |
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| 22:59.48 | dss | gpm, your girlfriend fucks with marocchins! |
| 22:59.50 | interbird | Flosoft: If it's an image built by your ISP and not built by Debian then I guess there are no Debian headers -- Why not install an other 2.4 or 2.6 kernel ? |
| 22:59.55 | gpm | SpyderMan: neither... |
| 23:00.00 | gpm | dss: wtf? |
| 23:00.29 | alex116 | im having problems compiling gwenhywfar using mingw. #mingw guys arent there. anyone have any experience with mingw that could help set my program_files path? |
| 23:00.55 | Flosoft | how do I upgrade my kernel to another 2.4? |
| 23:01.01 | Flosoft | do I need to reboot the machine then? |
| 23:01.09 | alex116 | yes |
| 23:01.17 | alex116 | kernel updates need reboots i think |
| 23:01.45 | interbird | Flosoft: You can use Synaptic (apt-get install synaptic) and choose a kernel |
| 23:02.02 | Flosoft | I don't have any GUI |
| 23:02.10 | Flosoft | no KDE / Gnome |
| 23:02.17 | gpm | Flosoft: apt-cache search |
| 23:02.23 | gpm | !tell Flosoft about search |
| 23:02.32 | interbird | Flosoft: You might have to check your bootloader but Debian should handle it ok |
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| 23:03.17 | kelmo_lap | kernel-package is also nice for newer 2.4 kernels ;-) |
| 23:04.14 | gpm | kelmo_lap: i'm guessing he doesn't want to build his own since he doesn't even know how to install a kernel. |
| 23:04.18 | interbird | Flosoft: Do you want a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 23:05.09 | interbird | Flosoft: Do you use lilo or grub as a bootloader ? |
| 23:05.15 | Flosoft | another one |
| 23:05.29 | interbird | Flosoft: Like ? |
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| 23:05.38 | Flosoft | but normally this is a original debian kernel |
| 23:06.08 | Flosoft | I updated it to 3.1 from official Debian mirrors |
| 23:06.21 | alex116 | what purpose does the config.h.in file serve? |
| 23:06.33 | gpm | 3.1 has nothing to do with the kernel version. that's a version of debian. the kernel is a component of debian |
| 23:06.43 | gpm | we want to know which version of the linux kernel you want to install |
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| 23:06.49 | gpm | (since that's what you asked about) |
| 23:06.51 | Fluten | I am installing linux on a second drive which will be moved to another computer. Can I configure the lilo.conf file having everything pointing to the hda device, and then just use "lilo -b /dev/hdb" in a chroot and expect it to boot? |
| 23:06.57 | interbird | Flosoft: What was the version of Debian you installed before upgrading ? |
| 23:07.02 | Flosoft | the best thing would be to keep the one I have |
| 23:07.10 | Flosoft | 3.0 |
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| 23:08.01 | gpm | Flosoft: so, what's your problem? if the best thing is to keep the kernel you have...keep the kernel you have and be happy. |
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| 23:08.12 | Flosoft | I need the kernel-headers |
| 23:08.17 | Flosoft | and I can't find them |
| 23:08.35 | gpm | Flosoft: ok. which version of the kernel do you have installed? is it from an official debian package? |
| 23:08.42 | Flosoft | yes |
| 23:08.48 | interbird | Flosoft: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on #flood ? |
| 23:08.58 | Flosoft | h621007:~# uname -a |
| 23:08.59 | Flosoft | Linux h621007.serverkompetenz.net 2.4.29 #3 SMP Tue Feb 15 01:47:49 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:09.59 | gpm | Flosoft: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 23:10.28 | Flosoft | he can't find the package |
| 23:10.28 | gpm | Flosoft: that will work unless you weren't being truthful about your kernel being from an official debian package. |
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| 23:10.57 | interbird | gpm: He upgraded from Woody |
| 23:11.04 | Flosoft | yes |
| 23:11.14 | interbird | Flosoft: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on #flood ? |
| 23:11.30 | gpm | Flosoft: so......update your kernel to the woody one, install the appropriate headers, and be done |
| 23:11.38 | gpm | er |
| 23:11.43 | gpm | s/woody/sarge |
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| 23:11.57 | Flosoft | done |
| 23:12.45 | interbird | gpm: I can't find any Debian 2.4.29 kernel or headers for him, AFAIK they don't exist |
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| 23:13.18 | gpm | interbird: right, so he ought to update his kernel version to the sarge one |
| 23:13.40 | Flosoft | is it maybe the woody kernel? |
| 23:13.40 | gpm | interbird: it's probably not too safe to stick with that ancient of a kernel anyway...especially if it's serving anything important |
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| 23:13.48 | interbird | gpm: Yes, that's what I'm trying to tell him but he runs text-based |
| 23:13.50 | hellangel | hey guys =) |
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| 23:14.02 | gpm | interbird: so? you can update the kernel via cl |
| 23:14.30 | interbird | gpm: I know but I dont have all the info needed to help him |
| 23:14.32 | Flosoft | the problem is that Kernel Update does require a reboot |
| 23:14.34 | gpm | Flosoft: update to the 2.4 kernel in sarge. apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 23:14.37 | gpm | interbird: no worries, i do |
| 23:14.42 | interbird | gpm: thx |
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| 23:14.54 | gpm | Flosoft: what do you get when you do that? |
| 23:15.24 | Flosoft | I need to re-setup several services |
| 23:15.35 | hellangel | i got a problem with my soundcard (audigy 2).. my debian is kinda fresh installed and i dont know how to get my soundcard to work :/ |
| 23:15.45 | gpm | Flosoft: ok...go ahead |
| 23:15.51 | thingfish | hellangel: sarge? |
| 23:16.17 | hellangel | thingfish, pardon? |
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| 23:17.05 | thingfish | hellangel: I was asking if the debian you referred to is sarge (stable). |
| 23:17.14 | evaded | hellangel: thingfish want to know which version you are running |
| 23:17.15 | hellangel | oh, yeah it is |
| 23:17.31 | thingfish | hellangel: I asked because often alsa-base doesn't get installed. |
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| 23:17.31 | scuffe | can anyone tell me what i need to do to use the net instaLL cd with an intel pro/100 VE NIC? |
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| 23:18.06 | evaded | scuffe: Is it not reconised by the installer? |
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| 23:18.20 | thingfish | hellangel: did you install using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:18.27 | hellangel | yeah |
| 23:18.59 | scuffe | evaded: it asks me what module to load when i use the net install cd |
| 23:19.24 | evaded | scuffe: I know to less how to do that :-/ |
| 23:19.32 | thingfish | hellangel: dpkg -i alsa-base | grep -i version |
| 23:19.56 | hellangel | dpkg: error processing alsa-base (--install): |
| 23:19.56 | hellangel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.56 | hellangel | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:19.57 | hellangel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:20.36 | hellangel | sorry :( |
| 23:20.39 | thingfish | hellangel: apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 23:21.03 | gpm | Flosoft: the bottom line is this: you need to find a kernel with apt-cache search kernel-image (2.4) or apt-cache search linux-image (2.6)...install the appropriate package with apt-get install, and then, if you're running lilo, you need to run "lilo" as root, otherwise, to be safe, do "update-grub"...then reboot and cross your fingers. gtg now, but there are other competent people in this channel who should help you. |
| 23:21.04 | hellangel | done |
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| 23:21.17 | evaded | thingfish: You mean dpkg -l alsa-base | grep -i version |
| 23:21.30 | thingfish | evaded: no, I didn't. |
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| 23:21.37 | Flosoft | ok |
| 23:21.41 | evaded | thingfish: And no '-i' |
| 23:22.14 | thingfish | at least I don't think I did...looking at man dpkg now. |
| 23:22.39 | thingfish | but I mean I tested it and it showed me exactly what I wanted. |
| 23:22.44 | hellangel | thingfish, sound still doesnt work :> |
| 23:22.56 | interbird | Flosoft: You might want to stay with 2.4 first and later update to 2.6 |
| 23:23.04 | Flosoft | yes |
| 23:23.17 | interbird | Flosoft: First you need to get a correct Debian kernel and headers |
| 23:23.35 | evaded | hellangel: Default sound are muted. But we need to give you a bit more informations |
| 23:23.42 | evaded | !alsa-checklist |
| 23:23.42 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 23:23.55 | interbird | Flosoft: As far as I can see 2.4.27 is one of the latest Debian (Sarge) kernels |
| 23:23.57 | thingfish | hellangel: evaded will help you ;) |
| 23:24.04 | Flosoft | yes |
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| 23:24.10 | Flosoft | and I have 2.4.29 |
| 23:24.18 | Flosoft | that is really weird |
| 23:24.22 | evaded | thingfish: I think that dpkg help the most here ;-) |
| 23:24.24 | interbird | Flosoft: Then exchange lilo for grub like gpm advised |
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| 23:25.13 | interbird | Flosoft: I know it's weird bu in your sources.list you have a non-debian etry that might have been used for upgrading your kernel |
| 23:25.37 | evaded | hellangel: Say where you get 'hang' or get troubles. Like we not know what you know or what are you background |
| 23:26.05 | Flosoft | interbird: which entry do you mean? |
| 23:26.40 | hellangel | evaded, well i configured the sound but.. the sound is not muted but volume 0.. and i cant make it louder |
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| 23:27.12 | evaded | hellangel: You need to press the 'm' key on the stroke that are muted |
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| 23:27.31 | interbird | Flosoft: deb ftp://ftp.serverkompetenz.de/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 23:27.32 | interbird | Flosoftdeb-src ftp://ftp.serverkompetenz.de/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 23:27.39 | evaded | hellangel: The 'up' key to give more volume, the down, for less |
| 23:27.49 | Flosoft | those are the sources of my ISP |
| 23:27.50 | interbird | Flosoft: They built your current kernel |
| 23:27.51 | hellangel | yeah i can change it there.. |
| 23:27.59 | hellangel | but i cant change it in the right upper corner -> gnome |
| 23:28.10 | PovAddict | hello |
| 23:28.44 | interbird | Flosoft: Any headers should be supplied by this entry |
| 23:28.51 | evaded | hellangel: That's an next step, first we need to ensure that all things are been working |
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| 23:29.02 | hellangel | evaded, ok how to check that ? :> |
| 23:29.08 | Flosoft | hmm ... well they aren't apparently :S |
| 23:29.31 | evaded | hellangel: You have been do all the steps that dpkg have told you? |
| 23:29.33 | interbird | Flosoft: Nope, strange |
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| 23:29.43 | SpyderMan | Flosoft : TBH if your ISP is being nice enough to distribute a Linux distro, they might also want to help or at least document what they've done |
| 23:29.45 | tam | i just connected my new hdd via usb2 and when i do a dmesg it says it is connected by sda, where is that likely to be a mount point? |
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| 23:29.50 | evaded | hellangel: So, if yes, you need to log out an login again |
| 23:30.02 | hellangel | i dont know how what 4) means, or 5) or 7).. and my speakers are on :> |
| 23:30.21 | interbird | Flosoft: Also since there seem not to be any 2.4.29 kernel in the official Debian packages site |
| 23:30.34 | punsad | tam: do you just want to mount it? |
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| 23:31.00 | DiR3cT0r | salutare |
| 23:31.04 | evaded | hellangel: 'arts' and 'esound' are two differents deamon (service) that run in the background an that manage the sound |
| 23:31.04 | hellangel | oh.. and.. how to add my user to audio group?! |
| 23:31.05 | tam | punsad: yeah |
| 23:31.13 | hellangel | ah ok |
| 23:31.15 | interbird | Flosoft: What bootloader do you use ? |
| 23:31.17 | punsad | tam: if you have cdrecord installed - try 'cdrecord -scanbus' |
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| 23:31.26 | hellangel | evaded, sry im really new to debian :/ |
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| 23:31.32 | punsad | tam: i know it's wierd but it can work |
| 23:31.46 | tam | i think its that -> /dev/sg0 |
| 23:31.53 | tam | punsad: nice little cheat, thanks |
| 23:32.07 | punsad | tam: okay - you know what to do now? |
| 23:32.11 | thingfish | evaded: he's using gnome. gnome doesn't normally use arts. |
| 23:32.28 | Kovecses | whats up thingfish |
| 23:32.39 | thingfish | hey Kovecses |
| 23:32.55 | evaded | hellangel: To see if it's already running 'ps aux | grep esound' |
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| 23:33.20 | hellangel | root 9352 0.0 0.0 1836 588 pts/0 R+ 01:33 0:00 grep esound |
| 23:33.31 | tam | punsad: mount: /dev/sg0 is not a block device |
| 23:33.37 | evaded | hellangel: Normally you got 2 lines of results. Otherwise you got only 1 line, and without an result. So it's not running |
| 23:33.53 | tam | punsad: hmm, strange |
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| 23:34.01 | punsad | tam: hmm... thinking... |
| 23:34.10 | hellangel | ok so.. '/etc/init.d/esound start' ? |
| 23:34.28 | tam | punsad: [5735409.534000] SCSI device sda: 976794336 512-byte hdwr sectors (500119 MB) |
| 23:34.38 | evaded | hellangel: no, stop it eventually |
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| 23:34.50 | punsad | tam: oh... try mounting /dev/sda1 |
| 23:35.14 | evaded | hellangel: But that's no matters i think at this stage, like you need to logout and login again |
| 23:35.16 | hellangel | /etc/init.d/esound: No such file or directory |
| 23:35.25 | evaded | hellangel: I'm bad in english :-/ |
| 23:35.27 | hellangel | just log out/in from gnome? |
| 23:35.40 | tam | punsad: great, it worked. thanks very much |
| 23:35.51 | bujin | what is the best computer wholesale store in United States? |
| 23:35.56 | PovAddict | need help, a friend has Debian (sarge) installed on VMware, and he's getting this like all the time: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/debian_login.png |
| 23:36.03 | Kovecses | bujin, no idea |
| 23:36.05 | punsad | tam: no prob... luv it when my frustration can help others |
| 23:36.10 | Kovecses | bujin, the internet |
| 23:36.11 | punsad | :) |
| 23:36.21 | evaded | hellangel: We need to do point 5) |
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| 23:36.50 | bujin | :S |
| 23:36.53 | hellangel | !alsa-checklist |
| 23:36.53 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 23:37.00 | evaded | hellangel: dpkg what to tell you some things |
| 23:37.03 | hellangel | what is OSS? |
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| 23:37.09 | evaded | !tell hellangel -about oss |
| 23:37.32 | hellangel | ah ok |
| 23:37.53 | hellangel | how to find out which kind of OSS modules i have loaded? |
| 23:37.54 | interbird | Open Sound System (depreciated for ALSA -- Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) |
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| 23:38.16 | hellangel | or not loaded :> |
| 23:38.21 | dondelelcaro | hellangel: lsmod |
| 23:38.27 | evaded | hellangel: Which brand of card is it? |
| 23:38.31 | Kovecses | oss is still developing as well |
| 23:38.51 | hellangel | creative |
| 23:39.11 | hellangel | creative audigy 2 |
| 23:39.25 | PovAddict | any idea about this? http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/debian_login.png |
| 23:39.31 | PovAddict | it's on VMware... |
| 23:39.39 | evaded | hellangel: Can you give the output of the command that dondelelcaro have told you? And paste it on pastebin, dpkg want to tell you |
| 23:39.41 | raf256 | !harry |
| 23:39.41 | dpkg | it has been said that harry is http://www.dragonnorth.com/pictures/HairyPotter/images/Dscf1599.jpg |
| 23:39.49 | evaded | !tell hellangel -about paste |
| 23:39.52 | evaded | !tell hellangel -about pastebin |
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| 23:40.04 | evaded | hellangel: Like you have say me that you're new ;-) |
| 23:40.06 | interbird | edlin is also still under development :-) (no pun intended) |
| 23:40.15 | thingfish | that's real funny |
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| 23:40.19 | hellangel | http://nopaste.php-q.net/210437 |
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| 23:40.40 | hellangel | im not _that_ new :) |
| 23:40.45 | hellangel | just new to debian |
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| 23:41.15 | evaded | hellangel: ;-) |
| 23:41.18 | BucWheat | !dpkg ploticus |
| 23:41.25 | evaded | hellangel: Welcome to Debian :-) |
| 23:41.30 | BucWheat | !dpkg help |
| 23:41.59 | FreshPrince | i have a question.. i dont know what to use.. ubuntu or debian.. whats the different.. and when u say i should install debian.. then whats the reason? can anybody help me? =) |
| 23:42.05 | BucWheat | where is ploticus |
| 23:42.08 | evaded | !tell BucWheat -about selftell |
| 23:42.11 | evaded | !tell BucWheat -about help |
| 23:42.20 | elein | stupid newbie question: i use debian with feta. I am configured to be using stable. I want to install the testing version of openoffice. What do I specify where to do that? |
| 23:42.34 | hellangel | evaded, heh =) |
| 23:42.36 | BucWheat | evaded thanks ;) |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:42.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:42.44 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 23:42.44 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 23:42.45 | madd_matt | FreshPrince, ubuntu is a modified version of debian. It has some things that are designed to make it easier for new users. |
| 23:42.46 | hellangel | evaded, did you see the link? =) |
| 23:42.49 | thingfish | elein: backports.org has openoffice.org2 for sarge. |
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| 23:43.07 | raf256 | debian is usefull - like when you can't install real OS like windows or gentoo |
| 23:43.09 | Kovecses | i hate that u statement |
| 23:43.12 | evaded | hellangel: The paste, yes, i'm on it. I not find that module. |
| 23:43.13 | interbird | FreshPrince: Debian if you want extended (server) features, Ubuntu if you want a more polished Linux Desktop -- Why not use both and find out ? |
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| 23:43.27 | elein | thingfish, do I need to build it from source . how do I tell it I want the testing version? |
| 23:43.33 | raf256 | interbird: I find debian > ubuntu |
| 23:43.38 | Kovecses | amyome unable to install windows is a retard |
| 23:43.43 | evaded | hellangel: I think it's not loaded |
| 23:43.47 | raf256 | interbird: but ubuntu might be a bit more usefull for newbies |
| 23:43.55 | Kovecses | ubuntu is to buggy |
| 23:44.00 | hellangel | evaded, mm how to load it :) |
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| 23:44.02 | scuffe | can anyone help me out with getting debain installed with the netinstaller. i have an intel pro/100 ve. the installer doesn't detect it, i try to load the e100 module but it fails |
| 23:44.07 | thingfish | elein: are you running testing, or stable? |
| 23:44.11 | elein | stable |
| 23:44.26 | interbird | raf256: debian != ubintu and your last statement might be correct :-) |
| 23:44.28 | evaded | hellangel: You not need to load OSS module and ALSA module at the same time. Otherwise, nothings work |
| 23:44.44 | thingfish | elein: then why would you not want the one at backports.org that's made for sarge? |
| 23:44.48 | hellangel | ah ok so alsa is loaded then i guess |
| 23:45.04 | evaded | hellangel: If the two modules are loaded, it make an conflict an no sound |
| 23:45.09 | BucWheat | evaded what is the command for dpkg to see if an application is available from apt-get? |
| 23:45.12 | elein | thingfish, is it a binary installation or what? |
| 23:45.20 | FreshPrince | madd_matt, well i'm not a new user.. i use also gentoo.. but i dont know that i should install debian.. i have now installe ubuntu "again" .. :) my first distro was ubuntu.. but now i dont know which one to use.. |
| 23:45.22 | thingfish | elein: and you should be able to look at /etc/apt/sources.list and tell what you'd have to do to get things from testing. |
| 23:45.35 | FreshPrince | interbird, i know debian is much better for a server.. hmhm |
| 23:45.46 | SpyderMan | interbird : but it might not be. debian is only complicated if you don't take the time (probly an hour or so...) to read the install guide.. |
| 23:45.52 | thingfish | elein: you'd get it via apt-get - a .deb is downloaded and installed. |
| 23:45.54 | evaded | BucWheat: dpkg -l <package> |
| 23:45.57 | elein | I looked at that and see it has a number of servers listed, including servers for testing. Do I add backport to that list? |
| 23:46.00 | raf256 | interbird: debian was too hard for me, the first time |
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| 23:46.21 | zu22 | Does anyone know of a way to make Net Zero dialup work with Debian? |
| 23:46.21 | Kovecses | debian is easy |
| 23:46.23 | raf256 | interbird: but that was few years ago, then I tried again a half-year later and I use it up to day (over 1.2 year now) |
| 23:46.30 | hellangel | evaded, so whats my next step? |
| 23:46.39 | raf256 | hellangel: bra! |
| 23:46.43 | evaded | hellangel: I hope that step 5) are ok, so next one |
| 23:46.44 | FreshPrince | Kovecses, how easy? ;) |
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| 23:46.50 | evaded | hellangel: Speakers been on? |
| 23:46.51 | thingfish | elein: go to backports.org, look for their instructions on how to set yourself up to use them, apt-get update, then apt-cache search openoffice.org and pick. |
| 23:46.55 | madd_matt | FreshPrince, debian-stable is very stable, suitable for a server or a pc that doesn't need all the shiny features (I use it). Ubuntu is more up-to-date, being based off debian-unstable. Really I'd rather run debian-unstable than ubuntu, although ubuntu has some more desktop-polish on it |
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| 23:47.01 | hellangel | evaded, heh yeah |
| 23:47.05 | Kovecses | FreshPrince, easy enough for will smith |
| 23:47.09 | SpyderMan | I have tried loads of distros since I started using linux, and none have been as well thought out as debian, IMNSHO ;) |
| 23:47.16 | elein | thingfish. Thanks. will try it. I appreciate the help. |
| 23:47.21 | raf256 | imho |
| 23:47.22 | interbird | FreshPrince: So, you almost answered your question yourself :-) |
| 23:47.23 | hellangel | but i still cant change the loudness in the right upper corner of gnome |
| 23:47.27 | evaded | hellangel: That was step 6). Step 7) As root user do 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' |
| 23:47.38 | raf256 | it should be made more easy to have a stable debian, and only few apps from testing/unstable. |
| 23:47.43 | FreshPrince | Kovecses, hehe ;) |
| 23:47.52 | FreshPrince | interbird, yes.. |
| 23:47.53 | FreshPrince | well |
| 23:47.56 | BucWheat | ploticus 2.32 has not made it to debian package how do i make .deb from source (.tar.gz) ? |
| 23:48.01 | hellangel | evaded, nothing happens |
| 23:48.04 | raf256 | hellangel: dont turn speakers too far up when cating to dev dsp |
| 23:48.08 | zu22 | or is it impossible? |
| 23:48.09 | raf256 | hellangel: try alsamixer? |
| 23:48.20 | hellangel | that works |
| 23:48.22 | raf256 | hellangel: try aplayer or aplay or play on some data file or a .wav |
| 23:48.25 | madd_matt | BucWheat, you want to package to distribute? Otherwise just install it according to instructions..... |
| 23:48.29 | thingfish | he just now installed alsa-base - do the appropriate modules load immediately? |
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| 23:48.37 | lutra | how safe is it to have a mixed system with etch/sid packages so that i can use certain mono programs (i.e. banshee, f-spot) |
| 23:48.39 | evaded | hellangel: Like you not complain about the noise. It probably not work. But ... have you log out and login back again? |
| 23:48.44 | raf256 | hellangel: try alsa-config if You didnt yet |
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| 23:49.17 | BucWheat | madd_matt ok |
| 23:49.18 | FreshPrince | madd_matt, i know.. but thats the problem.. ubuntu is cool more desktop polish.. ad debian.. well i think debian is also good.. hmm i dont know :( .. i use gentoo.. but i want also another dsitro.. e second distro on my second harddisk.. and i dont know which one.. my head is getting hot.. i have e distro war in my head.. lol |
| 23:49.19 | PovAddict | sorry to insist BUT... |
| 23:49.26 | PovAddict | any idea of why this is happening? http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/debian_login.png |
| 23:49.42 | lutra | FreshPrince: you can make debian looks as cool as ubuntu :) |
| 23:49.56 | raf256 | PovAddict: no idea |
| 23:49.57 | FreshPrince | lutra, lol that u can do also under gentoo ;P |
| 23:49.58 | scorn | running debian testing and recently went to kde 3.5.2, about this same time, my usb camera became in accessible to a normal user. I added the my user to plugdev, but this didn't seem to help. Do I need to add myself to another group? |
| 23:50.07 | lutra | FreshPrince: indeed |
| 23:50.16 | hellangel | evaded, http://www.moestaverne.com/uploads/Screenshot-1.png |
| 23:50.20 | Kovecses | PovAddict, never seen that one |
| 23:50.21 | hellangel | raf256, i already did that befor |
| 23:50.25 | FreshPrince | hmhm |
| 23:50.26 | lutra | FreshPrince: but you can't install oo.org2 in 2 minutes in gentoo :) |
| 23:50.28 | evaded | PovAddict: Have you an Microsoft Keyboard? |
| 23:50.28 | hellangel | brb |
| 23:50.29 | PovAddict | raf256: I noticed your nickname familiar :P |
| 23:50.34 | raf256 | PovAddict: =) |
| 23:50.48 | PovAddict | evaded: it's running on VMware, and not on MY computer, it's a friend's screenshot |
| 23:50.49 | Firehand | PovAddict: i have that stuff if i press the additional multimedia keys here |
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| 23:51.02 | meta-ridley | i compile a kernel and then my keyboard doesn't work. hmm |
| 23:51.03 | Kovecses | gentoo is cool .... but it is unstable and you must be patient |
| 23:51.10 | FreshPrince | lutra, well.. gentoo i know i need afew time to compile etc.. but.. every distro has something good and something bad ;) |
| 23:51.10 | PovAddict | Firehand: he gets that error quite randomly :S |
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| 23:51.22 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:51.27 | Firehand | PovAddict: ok thats not so good then :) |
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| 23:51.30 | dli | Kovecses, gentoo is stable, if you choose stable |
| 23:51.31 | SpyderMan | Kovecses and even the fact it's cool is open to some discussion ;) |
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| 23:51.42 | Kovecses | dli, nah |
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| 23:51.45 | PovAddict | I have Debian running happily on the SAME VMware version |
| 23:51.48 | madd_matt | FreshPrince, its all the same. point and choose. Polish over stability? Stability over polish? |
| 23:51.49 | evaded | PovAddict: I have the same thing here, not in an virtual env, but on two computers related with and KVM and an Microsucks keyboard |
| 23:51.52 | FreshPrince | Kovecses, well unstable is it not.. but u can make i unstable.. i knew other users.. they are running gentoo64 unstable.. and thats very stable =) |
| 23:52.02 | lutra | FreshPrince: very true |
| 23:52.10 | scorn | root accesses the camera fine through kamera, any ideas? |
| 23:52.20 | FreshPrince | hm |
| 23:52.24 | Kovecses | gentoo was pretty stable for me .. yes... but there were packages that were really bad |
| 23:52.27 | SpyderMan | Those who can LFS those who can't Gentoo ;) |
| 23:52.40 | FreshPrince | lutra, whats the reason that i should install debian and not ubuntu or slackware or arch linux? ;) |
| 23:52.43 | evaded | hellangel: It's looks good, but have you logout of the session an login again? So that u user are keeping that new group(audio) that you have assigned to? |
| 23:52.46 | zu22 | hellangel: wow what window manager, desktop, theme you using? |
| 23:52.48 | tam | does anyone see anything wrong with this: |
| 23:52.49 | tam | root@spud:~# chown tam:hdd /mnt/big/ |
| 23:52.49 | tam | chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/big/': Operation not permitted |
| 23:52.50 | dli | Kovecses, example? |
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| 23:53.04 | Kovecses | dli, beep media player xmms ... dvdrip |
| 23:53.07 | js_ | tam: what filesystem? |
| 23:53.10 | FreshPrince | Kovecses, which packages? |
| 23:53.16 | tam | js_: fat32 ;) |
| 23:53.19 | hellangel | zu22, standard, just changed the theme |
| 23:53.22 | FreshPrince | kosola, wel no xmms works fine ;) |
| 23:53.27 | dli | Kovecses, I have xmms |
| 23:53.28 | hellangel | Nuvola |
| 23:53.29 | FreshPrince | dli, u use gentoo 2 ? |
| 23:53.29 | js_ | tam: man mount, look at the fat32 section |
| 23:53.32 | hellangel | is the name of the theme |
| 23:53.37 | Kovecses | dli, try an internet radio site |
| 23:53.39 | hellangel | evaded, ok now i can change the loudness, tho i still have no sound |
| 23:53.43 | dli | FreshPrince, I use debian/gentoo |
| 23:53.44 | lutra | FreshPrince: well slackware isn't really good for dependencies...i would saw if you want a pm analogous to the beauty of portage i'd use debian or ubuntu...if you want a system that just works use ubuntu...if you want a great community use and agree with their philosophy use debian |
| 23:53.52 | zu22 | hellangel: oh |
| 23:53.54 | lutra | FreshPrince: i've never really used arch |
| 23:53.59 | dli | Kovecses, oh, I'm dumb, no feeling for music :( |
| 23:54.01 | evaded | PovAddict: When i ssh to that machines, i have no one trouble, but when i'm on the keyboard, i got the same troubles. When x runn on it, i have also no troubles with it. Currently case not solved :-( With another keyboard, no one trouble |
| 23:54.06 | FreshPrince | dli, and i dont know that i should use debian/gentoo or ubunut/gentoo .. |
| 23:54.16 | PovAddict | only difference would be that he's using the UK keyboard layout and I have the Latin American |
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| 23:54.25 | dli | FreshPrince, I'm debian and gentoo :( |
| 23:54.46 | Kovecses | I always switch between debian and gentoo |
| 23:54.48 | evaded | hellangel: Have you been logout of Gnome? And loging again so that the changes are applyed? Like you had to add you're user to the group of audio |
| 23:54.53 | scorn | okay, how about this, how can I tell what permissions/groups are allowed access the usb devices? |
| 23:55.00 | Kovecses | !gentoo |
| 23:55.00 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 23:55.07 | hellangel | evaded, i didnt add any user to the group of audio, i dont know how |
| 23:55.09 | dli | Kovecses, I have both :) servers with debian, and laptops with gentoo |
| 23:55.10 | FreshPrince | dli, why u make a sile like --> :( ? |
| 23:55.18 | scorn | not finding any /dev/ttyusb or anything of the sort in /dev |
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| 23:55.21 | Kovecses | dli, nice combo |
| 23:55.31 | dli | FreshPrince, I thought you understood debian/gentoo |
| 23:55.34 | stoned | HAHA, fresh prince, man I watch that show on google video |
| 23:55.36 | stoned | fantastic |
| 23:55.54 | dli | Kovecses, I'm making a liveusb for both debian and gentoo installation now |
| 23:55.55 | stoned | Will Smith's not a debian user, but hes funny |
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| 23:56.05 | dli | Kovecses, less than 100MB in total |
| 23:56.06 | lutra | stoned: what does he use? |
| 23:56.07 | scorn | ls |
| 23:56.09 | chealer | scorn: yes. see libsane's doc |
| 23:56.14 | thingfish | stoned: he uses suse. |
| 23:56.15 | stoned | lutra, not linux thats for sure |
| 23:56.22 | stoned | hey thinger man |
| 23:56.29 | thingfish | hey |
| 23:56.34 | stoned | whats up today? |
| 23:56.46 | scorn | chealer: this is a sane issue? |
| 23:56.48 | thingfish | meh. nothing. |
| 23:56.49 | FreshPrince | lutra, well ubuntu and gentoo has also a great community.. well debian hmhm.. the community i think is bad ;P because i have ask many questions in #debian.de or so... they give me always answer with "RTFM" <-- and thats not friendly.. yes i want o distro that works.. but i want hm.. damn.. hehe :) i dont know.. i think i should install ubuntu |
| 23:56.54 | evaded | hellangel: I not remember the cli commando :-/ But with the GUI in Gnome you can add you're user (and need to) to the 'audio' group. If you not do it, you never get sound |
| 23:56.56 | thingfish | stoned: cooking. |
| 23:57.02 | FreshPrince | dli, how u mean? |
| 23:57.17 | thingfish | evaded: is that true? I never have to do that, and I get all kinds of sound. |
| 23:57.26 | dli | FreshPrince, I want to make a debian installer with reiser4 support, any idea? |
| 23:57.31 | stoned | FreshPrince, you know I had some quarrals with some people here when I first showd up a few years ago, but #debian by far is THE MOST knowledgable community for linux distros |
| 23:57.42 | FreshPrince | dli, i use gentoo.. debian is maybe nice i dont know.. i have installed it one time.. but ubuntu is a distro when u installed it .. that works.. u didnt must compile anything or something like that |
| 23:57.46 | stoned | FreshPrince, you have to have patience and desire to learn , #debian will not spoonfeed you |
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| 23:57.53 | evaded | !alsa-checklist |
| 23:57.53 | dpkg | i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 23:58.03 | evaded | point 2) |
| 23:58.03 | FreshPrince | dli, how u mean?.. is that a question for me as gentoo useR? ;) |
| 23:58.08 | dli | FreshPrince, I think I can follow the gentoo part to get reiser4 in gentoo installer |
| 23:58.12 | azeem | FreshPrince: if you are happy with ubuntu, what's the problem? |
| 23:58.37 | FreshPrince | dli, yes u can |
| 23:58.40 | dli | FreshPrince, how to get the debian part? |
| 23:58.42 | hellangel | evaded, i cant seem to find anything where i can add me to audio group |
| 23:58.46 | evaded | thingfish: And if you want that it take, effect you need to log out an logging again, otherwise you're still not in the audio group |
| 23:58.47 | dli | FreshPrince, howto? |
| 23:59.04 | hellangel | brb relogging again |
| 23:59.15 | FreshPrince | azeem, i dont know.. something in my head tell me i'd should use debian.. and something tell's me i should use ubuntu lol |
| 23:59.26 | FreshPrince | dli, why u wanna have reiser4?.. XFS is great |
| 23:59.26 | evaded | hellangel: I not run Gnome :-( I can advies you to search a bit for that GUI there. Sure there are one... |
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| 23:59.55 | stoned | FreshPrince, if you want to use debian, then don't use DEBIAN BASED distros, you should go directly to the source of it all, and use DEBIAN itself |
| 23:59.57 | dli | FreshPrince, robust with system crashes |
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