| 00:00.36 | GyrosGeier | I just installed Debian via network via an PCMCIA ethernet card. Now I've upgraded my kernel to 2.6.16 and the card is no longer recognized as an Ethernet card. Anyone seen this before? |
| 00:01.28 | mvfeinstein | liable any sugestions on what I should look for? |
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| 00:02.37 | marco13185 | anyone know of a good app to make thumbnails of minimized windows? |
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| 00:03.44 | me_ | what is the name of DRI utility that can measure fps of a GPU? 3d wheels or someting? |
| 00:03.59 | GyrosGeier | glxgears |
| 00:04.04 | me_ | ah, yes. thanks |
| 00:04.05 | abrotman | glxgeras .. but it's not a reliable benchmark |
| 00:04.39 | GyrosGeier | "fps" is a highly subjective thing, yeah |
| 00:04.58 | me_ | I just need it to test something. I know it's not 100% reliable. |
| 00:05.13 | odla | if it says i need pygtk >=2.4 but pytgtk package do i need to install? |
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| 00:05.17 | abrotman | maybe not even 50% reliable |
| 00:05.29 | me_ | while I have your attention, what is the name of GTK (I think) package that can change the look of applications GUI? |
| 00:05.32 | lekvar | Ha, I got cardbus working. |
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| 00:05.49 | odla | s but/what |
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| 00:06.35 | odla | i am trying to install this http://computertemp.berlios.de/help.php |
| 00:06.52 | GyrosGeier | heh |
| 00:06.57 | GyrosGeier | my cardbus works again, too |
| 00:06.59 | abrotman | odla: apt-cache search pygtk |
| 00:07.03 | pyroplasm | GyrosGeier: The pcmcia subsystem is subject to major changes. Maybe you are only missing the pcmciautils package. |
| 00:07.11 | GyrosGeier | no, I had it# |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | odla: are you on sarge or not ? |
| 00:07.23 | GyrosGeier | pyroplasm, it appears it wanted a reboot |
| 00:07.28 | odla | abrotman: nope testing |
| 00:07.53 | odla | abrotman: but i've got it set up to take unstable packages via the -t command |
| 00:07.55 | liable | mvfeinstein: was the kernel upgraded? i checked bts for udev and dont see any recent grave bugs |
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| 00:08.17 | abrotman | !find pygtk etch |
| 00:08.21 | intx | hey, what's the command to display changes in a file again? |
| 00:08.21 | odla | abrotman: there are several pygtk packages |
| 00:08.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pygtk' (4 of 13): (/usr/lib/nicotine/pynicotine/gtkgui/fix-pygtk) in net/nicotine ;; (/usr/share/doc/pylint/test/regrtest_data/pygtk_import.py) in python/pylint ;; (/usr/share/doc/python2.3-jabber/examples/pygtkjab.py.gz) in python/python2.3-jabber ;; (/usr/share/doc/python2.1-jabber/examples/pygtkjab.py.gz) in python/python2.1-jabber. |
| 00:08.31 | intx | e.g. for watching log files |
| 00:08.40 | pyroplasm | intx: tail -f |
| 00:08.54 | intx | thanks, I thought it was tail.. but didn't see the parameter |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | odla: i'd guess you need python2.4-gtk2 |
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| 00:09.05 | odla | abrotman: i'll give it a shot |
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| 00:09.43 | abrotman | odla: but .. why all that work ? |
| 00:09.59 | odla | i'd like computertemp monitor |
| 00:10.11 | odla | i have python2.4-gtk2 installed so that's not it |
| 00:10.20 | abrotman | odla: what's the error ? |
| 00:10.25 | mvfeinstein | liable there are some kernel entries but they look like they were from the original install] |
| 00:10.25 | abrotman | why not use gdesklets? |
| 00:10.42 | odla | The following packages have unmet dependencies computertemp: Depends: python (>= 2.4) but 2.3.5-5 is to be installed |
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| 00:10.50 | odla | i don't like gdesklets...i prefer applets |
| 00:11.26 | lekvar | Blissex: You were right. I got it working and it shows up on the PCI bus just as suggested. |
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| 00:11.39 | Blissex | lekvar: thats sort of lucky then./ |
| 00:11.47 | ma3x | how do I lookup the MAIL records of a domain name? |
| 00:11.57 | abrotman | odla: apt-get install python-2.4 ? |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | erm .. python2.4 |
| 00:12.26 | minerale | Wohoo, VIM 7 is out! |
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| 00:12.41 | lekvar | Blissex: Has to happen once in a while. acpi=noirq did it. |
| 00:12.47 | odla | hrm...it seems that computertemp is in unstable |
| 00:13.10 | Blissex | lekvar: I have that 'acpi=noirq' always on... |
| 00:13.13 | me | Can somebody help me remember the name of application that can modify how everything looks in xorg? I mean, the window borders etc. |
| 00:13.22 | liable | mvfeinstein: i cant think what would be doing it. are all your partitions mounted? mount /proc and try grub-install again. otherwise try purging udev and MAKEDEV generic .. otherwise i dunno. gotta go. |
| 00:13.24 | lekvar | Blissex: what's it actually do? |
| 00:13.34 | odla | i've install python2.4 |
| 00:13.49 | Blissex | lekvar: it tells the kernel not to use ACPI for assigning IRQs to devices. |
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| 00:14.00 | minerale | join #gentoo |
| 00:14.06 | minerale | crap |
| 00:14.08 | ma3x | how can I see what mail servers are responsible for domain.com? |
| 00:14.10 | lekvar | Blissex: which means acpi probably doesn't work now :) |
| 00:14.11 | ma3x | it was something with DIG? |
| 00:14.20 | Blissex | lekvar: not necessarily... |
| 00:14.24 | hobophobe | in a dependency issue what does << mean? ie (foo depends on bar (<< 1.2.3)) |
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| 00:14.31 | mvfeinstein | liable how do i purge udev? |
| 00:14.32 | Blissex | ma3x: try 'host -t mx domain.name' |
| 00:14.33 | pyroplasm | ma3x: host -t mx domain.com |
| 00:14.34 | odla | stupid ubuntu packages...err |
| 00:14.40 | me | I'm using fluxbox. I like the themes but I want to change how firefox, abiword etc. look. I don't like all the gray areas in those apps and would like to make it more 3d looking. I'm using gdm. Any suggestions? |
| 00:14.46 | liable | apt-get remove --purge udev |
| 00:14.57 | odla | abrotman: i found my package |
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| 00:15.08 | abrotman | odla: good deal |
| 00:15.11 | zachhale | can anyone here help me with a question about the xfree config file? |
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| 00:15.18 | pyroplasm | me: fluxconf? |
| 00:15.27 | abrotman | zachhale: in debian ? |
| 00:15.30 | zachhale | yes |
| 00:15.45 | zachhale | how do i convert 0000:01:0.0 to a bus identifier? |
| 00:15.55 | odla | abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 00:15.56 | po0k | 0:01:0 |
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| 00:16.11 | po0k | or 0:1:0 |
| 00:16.17 | zachhale | so not PCI:0:1:0 |
| 00:16.25 | po0k | yeah with PCI |
| 00:16.30 | zachhale | okay |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | zachhale: wait |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | zachhale: is this on x86 ? |
| 00:16.36 | me | pyroplasm: nah, what I mean is when you open firefox or abi word. see how the area around menus is gray? there was a utilty to make all applications look more 3d... I think it was a GTK something but I'm not sure. |
| 00:16.39 | zachhale | yes |
| 00:16.42 | abrotman | leave it blank |
| 00:16.47 | zachhale | i have 2 monitors |
| 00:16.52 | zachhale | 2 graphics cards |
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| 00:17.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:17.03 | pyroplasm | me: gtk-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 00:17.05 | abrotman | ignore me then :) |
| 00:17.31 | stoned | finally my apartment is clean and smells good and all the dishes are washed, whoo. mv TRASH /dev/null :D |
| 00:17.44 | abrotman | stoned: too bad it took two weeks |
| 00:17.50 | stoned | lol |
| 00:18.02 | zachhale | stoned: i'm 2 weeks behind :S |
| 00:18.13 | me | pyroplasm: ya, that's it! |
| 00:18.15 | zachhale | stoned: i have no clean dishes and no clean laundry |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | odla: maybe you should file an RFP on it |
| 00:18.31 | stoned | zach, I finally cleaned after 2 weeks. It is now able to recieve female visitors |
| 00:18.31 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:18.45 | zachhale | heh |
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| 00:19.34 | stoned | awee crap |
| 00:19.53 | me | how do I check what version of GTK I have? |
| 00:19.59 | stoned | I knew i forgot something, I forgot to buy more soap, I have no soap left, only shampoo, and i've been washing my hands and face with it every morning for 2 days |
| 00:20.00 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | gtk-config |
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| 00:20.17 | me | abrotman: cool! |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | well for gtk1 that works |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | me: let me think about how for gtk2 |
| 00:20.35 | stoned | can't just use package info? |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | you can |
| 00:20.44 | stoned | gtk version is in there as well as deb package version right? |
| 00:20.46 | freeone3000 | Not you. |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | but that only works on debian |
| 00:20.59 | marco13185 | is there an app to minimize windows to thumbnails? |
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| 00:21.01 | stoned | well, we ARE in #debian right |
| 00:21.01 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:21.10 | marco13185 | that's independant of any one WM |
| 00:21.17 | marco13185 | (unless it's xfce) |
| 00:21.30 | stoned | marco13185, I think windowmaker has some stuff, and maybe flux/black box too, some plugins, not sure |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 00:21.33 | dondelelcaro | marco13185: no, different WMs handle that differently. |
| 00:21.57 | marco13185 | stoned, because I want to do it in xfce |
| 00:22.02 | me | libgtk2.0-common == GTK 2?? |
| 00:22.06 | marco13185 | and the newest version of xfce only minimized to icons |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | me: that's one part of it .. yes |
| 00:22.34 | stoned | hi thing |
| 00:22.37 | stoned | ! what up |
| 00:22.37 | dpkg | the *ceiling* moron, or a direction directly opposing the pull of gravity |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | yay.. i got a period |
| 00:22.40 | thingfish | hey stoned |
| 00:22.57 | stoned | abrotman, period? |
| 00:23.05 | stoned | I hope it isn't what I think it is |
| 00:23.17 | me | abrotman: is there a way to apt-get gtk themes? |
| 00:23.23 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | i don't know .. that's all that was after "nice old fashioned" |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | me: probably .. `apt-cache search gtk theme` |
| 00:23.37 | thingfish | me, go to art.gnome.org or gnomelook |
| 00:23.56 | abrotman | he did say ... apt-get |
| 00:24.01 | stoned | me, apt-cache search gtk2-engine |
| 00:24.24 | stoned | me, if you are not satisfied with debian packages, download from art.gnome.org as thingfish said |
| 00:24.24 | me | stoned: themes are engines? |
| 00:24.32 | me | ok, ok. Thanks. |
| 00:24.52 | thingfish | icons and window borders are pretty risk-free. |
| 00:25.17 | stoned | those are not related to the gtk2 engine themes btw |
| 00:25.20 | thingfish | and part of the fun of gnome is that you can dress it up. :) |
| 00:25.21 | stoned | me ^^ |
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| 00:26.00 | me | I'm thinking to apt-get instlal gtk2-engine-* to get all of the themes. Is that bad? |
| 00:26.02 | simonrvn | no, they're related to my nose tweaks |
| 00:26.08 | stoned | me, dont' do th at |
| 00:26.23 | thingfish | ooh nose tweaks...is that a powder or something? |
| 00:26.30 | stoned | and its not gtk2-engine-* it is gtk2-engines-* |
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| 00:26.43 | thingfish | yay for me because I knew that. |
| 00:26.47 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:26.57 | simonrvn | er, your nose |
| 00:27.00 | stoned | me, you can also just install the base metapackage |
| 00:27.02 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 00:27.05 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:27.07 | me | stoned: how? |
| 00:27.07 | pyroplasm | Is it a matter of habbit that most ppl still search with apt-cache as opposed to aptitude? |
| 00:27.14 | simonrvn | 'habit' |
| 00:27.14 | stoned | me, apt-get install gnome-theme* |
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| 00:27.30 | stoned | me, it should install gnome themes and gnome theme extras |
| 00:27.33 | pyroplasm | hobbit :) |
| 00:27.45 | thingfish | me, art.gnome.org and gnomelook have like a million themes and icons, all safe as apple pie. |
| 00:27.52 | stoned | me, that will pretty much get you every theme for gnome in debian (I think) |
| 00:28.09 | stoned | ooooh |
| 00:28.17 | stoned | Reminds me of American Pie |
| 00:28.18 | simonrvn | *splortch* |
| 00:28.19 | stoned | ;) |
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| 00:28.46 | stoned | "what does 3rd base feel like?" "like warm apple pie" |
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| 00:28.53 | me | you guys are super cool. |
| 00:29.06 | thingfish | hah |
| 00:29.18 | thingfish | me: mention ubuntu and see how we get. |
| 00:29.25 | simonrvn | square, flat, dusty, and rough |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | thingfish: GO TO #UBUNTU |
| 00:29.35 | me | lol |
| 00:29.40 | abrotman | god .. why can't they use their own damn channel |
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| 00:29.41 | thingfish | abrotman: you're just hateful. |
| 00:29.47 | abrotman | thingfish: or right ... |
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| 00:30.16 | thingfish | ubuntu is such incredible trash. I for the life of me can't see what people like about it. |
| 00:30.17 | stoned | I dislike the name ubuntu, its like god moronic |
| 00:30.19 | stoned | sheesh |
| 00:30.37 | thingfish | how is a word in an african language moronic |
| 00:30.47 | stoned | its not, but it sounds moronic |
| 00:31.03 | stoned | for example, there are certain food products I wont' eat, because their name just doesn't sound right |
| 00:31.06 | simonrvn | stoned sounds moronic. |
| 00:31.11 | stoned | I've got some crazy pet peeves ;) |
| 00:31.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:31.27 | thingfish | simonrvn: ;) |
| 00:31.38 | simonrvn | ever thought that maybe your name sounds "moronic" in someone else's language? |
| 00:31.46 | me | How do I switch from GTK to Metacity? |
| 00:31.46 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:31.47 | stoned | of course |
| 00:32.07 | stoned | I am not disrespecting anything here, merely expressing my opinion |
| 00:32.12 | simonrvn | maybe you can get over yourself now |
| 00:32.19 | stoned | ? |
| 00:32.21 | Phated | Eh, Metacity -is- gtk, surely? |
| 00:32.45 | me | brb. |
| 00:33.02 | thingfish | !beer simonrvn |
| 00:33.11 | stoned | me, gtk2-engines-xfce will give you a whole collection of nice looking gtk2 themes |
| 00:33.17 | thingfish | !bourbon me |
| 00:33.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:33.22 | thingfish | :/ |
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| 00:33.46 | stoned | simonrvn, <simonrvn> maybe you can get over yourself now <-- what do you mean? |
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| 00:34.00 | Phated | Heh, apparently he can't ;) |
| 00:34.00 | thingfish | <sigh> |
| 00:34.01 | stoned | is there a point to this lameness? |
| 00:34.03 | simonrvn | basically, start thinking before you say something |
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| 00:34.21 | stoned | ubuntu sounds moronic |
| 00:34.30 | thingfish | stoned: silence is the better part of valor. |
| 00:34.32 | stoned | you gonna tell me get over myself every time I say it, cuz It won't change a thing |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | !cuz |
| 00:34.39 | dpkg | [cuz] you mean because?, or an affectionate name for your cousin (or cousin, according to dvs). |
| 00:34.49 | stoned | I meant because, of course |
| 00:34.50 | stoned | :) |
| 00:35.07 | simonrvn | i said my piece, what you do with it is up to you |
| 00:35.08 | stoned | lol, I wasn't gonna chase you anyway mate, I am baked |
| 00:35.19 | thingfish | don't we have a bouncer? |
| 00:35.26 | stoned | simonrvn, thanks, I appreciate the good advice, but you don't have to at it like an a-hole |
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| 00:35.29 | simonrvn | *bouncy* *bouncy* |
| 00:35.31 | stoned | come at it* |
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| 00:35.43 | ACU | Greetings - and Help --- in a Debian Sarge Computer I have added a Hard Disk with Windows - I made the Windows HD as a slave - I want to be able to choose it when Grub starts --- what should I do ? |
| 00:35.46 | gmh | hello, i installed a linux-image*-smp for an processor p4 w Hyperthreading, but the system crash after seconds that xorg load, i only need an kernel with smp support o i need some modulo or package extra? |
| 00:35.46 | simonrvn | we all have an asshole |
| 00:35.51 | Phated | Heh, neither do you have to relentlessly insult a name like an a-hole, etc. |
| 00:35.55 | thingfish | come now, let's all go watch educational TV. |
| 00:36.10 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 00:36.14 | stoned | that is true |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | thingfish: family guy is on! |
| 00:36.31 | thingfish | oh lord |
| 00:36.32 | Phated | ACU: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst - there should be sufficient guide within to aid you. |
| 00:36.41 | thingfish | abrotman abrotman |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | eh? |
| 00:36.50 | stoned | I am listening to Neoclassical guitar music family guy comes on cable which I havn't got :( |
| 00:36.51 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:36.56 | me | hrm. I have GTK application theme that I like but I don't know how to 'drag and drop in to theme manager'. I'm not using gnome. |
| 00:37.01 | thingfish | abrotman: I was thinking Nature. |
| 00:37.09 | abrotman | stoned: if you stopped buying so much pot .. you'd could afford cable :) |
| 00:37.12 | thingfish | it's about flies and dead things. |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | thingfish: i don't get that ... |
| 00:37.18 | stoned | abrotman, I don't buy :) |
| 00:37.27 | abrotman | oh goodie .. |
| 00:37.34 | stoned | yep, self reliant |
| 00:37.34 | simonrvn | me: switch2 can install themes |
| 00:37.45 | simonrvn | (same for switch) |
| 00:38.32 | me | simonrvn: I get theme dock and a drop-down menu where I can choose a theme, but I don't see how to add a new theme... |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: why is the ottawa blues fest right before OLS ? |
| 00:38.54 | stoned | maybe I should rephrase myself now that I think about it with a stoned head |
| 00:39.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: so people can blow all their money on the fest and have none for OLS ;p |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh .. ok |
| 00:39.21 | simonrvn | why would i know ? :) |
| 00:39.31 | stoned | To me, ubuntu doesn't sound moronic, it just sounds like a very funny word. It rolls off the tounge and sounds funny. It cracks me up to say it, so perhaps its not moronic, just funny. |
| 00:39.50 | stoned | now maybe some people will be less anal about it |
| 00:39.52 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:40.01 | simonrvn | pfpfppffftthhpt |
| 00:40.04 | thingfish | I personally (while I hate ubuntu the distro) think ubuntu is a lovely concept. |
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| 00:40.19 | thingfish | and I don't care what the name for the concept sounds like. |
| 00:40.36 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 00:40.36 | dpkg | Mandriva sux0rz! |
| 00:40.40 | odla | thingfish: what's the concept that sells you? |
| 00:40.49 | thingfish | oh I wasn't distro-warring and you know it. |
| 00:40.52 | stoned | I dislike yogunt, it maybe very tasty and good, but the word man, it sound like someone regurgitating. I can't stand eating yogurt it makes me always picture people throwing up |
| 00:41.01 | stoned | but its just talk, anyway |
| 00:41.12 | thingfish | odla: I want the distro with the hottest sex. |
| 00:41.15 | abrotman | simonrvn: because you're near that little town ? |
| 00:41.16 | simonrvn | yogunt - heh heh |
| 00:41.37 | stoned | simonrvn, thats all I meant, once again, never meant any disrespect |
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| 00:41.43 | odla | thingfish: with you ubuntu you get some 'hot sex'? |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:41.52 | simonrvn | stoned: ok, np, i understand |
| 00:41.53 | thingfish | odla: of course you have to know that I've no love for Debian, since I'm in this channel. |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | thingfish: dirty fedora user! |
| 00:42.18 | simonrvn | abrotman: i haven't been there in 2 years |
| 00:42.19 | thingfish | odla: you can't interpret sarcasm if you think I run ubuntu. |
| 00:42.22 | streuner | odla: take this discussion to somewhere else, please. |
| 00:42.38 | thingfish | abrotman: just for a day, I promise! |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh .. oh well |
| 00:43.01 | simonrvn | probably more |
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| 00:43.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: maybe pete will go if you go! |
| 00:43.47 | interalia | hi, is there an easy way to find out what packages are installed from a particular suite (like backports.org) ? |
| 00:43.47 | simonrvn | pete who? |
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| 00:43.56 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 00:43.57 | dpkg | iapf is probably It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 00:44.11 | simonrvn | i probably have a pow-wow to go to during that time anyway |
| 00:44.12 | thingfish | I can't help but have a soft spot for some #fedora people, after all I used to hang out in there a lot. But I couldn't run fedora anymore, because I don't think they're really what stallman would approve of. |
| 00:44.14 | simonrvn | aah |
| 00:44.27 | HoNgOuRu | who have an sn9c102 based webcam ???? |
| 00:44.36 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 00:44.43 | simonrvn | afk |
| 00:44.49 | thingfish | man when I lived in lawrence, ks, I used to go to the pow-wows all the time at haskell indian college. |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: he used to be in here as pseubodot (and he's still in other channels) |
| 00:45.00 | thingfish | I love that fried bread and pinto beans stuff. |
| 00:45.10 | thingfish | plus the music and dancing is killer. |
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| 00:45.23 | stoned | thingfish, I went to Jr. High in Columbia, Mo, and I my aunt lived in KS |
| 00:45.29 | thingfish | neat |
| 00:45.30 | ACU | Phated: THANKS - I just edit the grub list - rebooted and see the Windows 2000 as a choice in Grub - however I ge this message - root (hd0,1) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x5 ----- makeaxtive ---- Error 12: invalide device requested ---- any hints |
| 00:45.34 | iturk | anyone knows any good IDE for writing docbooks ?? |
| 00:45.38 | stoned | thingfish, duh, I already told you that |
| 00:45.43 | stoned | HAHA, I am fried |
| 00:45.46 | thingfish | well, sort of |
| 00:45.52 | liable | ACU: makeaxtive?? |
| 00:46.03 | simonrvn | i see |
| 00:46.06 | Phated | ACU: Eh, it's a second hard disk, yeah? It's possibly -not- (0,1). |
| 00:46.13 | stoned | ACU, are you using chainloading |
| 00:46.28 | stoned | ACU, set the windows entry in grub to chainloader +1 |
| 00:46.29 | abrotman | iturk: i thought you could use OO.o to save as docbook ... |
| 00:46.40 | stoned | I think, I am not sure, its been a while since I booted windows with grub |
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| 00:46.59 | ACU | makeaktive --- yes it is a second hard disk ------ I will look for chainloader +1 |
| 00:47.02 | me | how do I add 'firefox' to my path? I hate typing ./firefox/firefox& everytime I start it. |
| 00:47.08 | iturk | abrotman: 00.o ?? |
| 00:47.17 | abrotman | OO.o |
| 00:47.18 | thingfish | how do people get in these predicaments. |
| 00:47.19 | simonrvn | stick it in ~/bin; a symlink maybe |
| 00:47.20 | abrotman | O is not 0 |
| 00:47.27 | Phated | ACU: Use rootnoverify (hd1,0), chainloader +1 |
| 00:47.30 | icyfire0573 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.30 | simonrvn | O is not 0 |
| 00:47.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: thanks for letting us know .. |
| 00:47.40 | stoned | ACU, what Phated said |
| 00:47.47 | simonrvn | abrotman: thank you too |
| 00:48.01 | simonrvn | 0 is not O either |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | simonrvn: thanks .. i hope your productivity is on the rise |
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| 00:48.04 | me | simonrvn: ~/bin? as in /home/user1/bin. |
| 00:48.06 | iturk | abrotman: is it the name of the IDE ?? |
| 00:48.07 | simonrvn | abrotman: 1000% |
| 00:48.15 | thingfish | hehe you funny abrotman |
| 00:48.20 | liable | ACU: check your spelling |
| 00:48.23 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:48.32 | abrotman | iturk: OpenOffice.org |
| 00:48.41 | iturk | thanks |
| 00:48.43 | thingfish | I need a tandoori oven... |
| 00:48.47 | stoned | dude |
| 00:48.51 | thingfish | I do. |
| 00:48.57 | stoned | I love tandoori chicken and tandoori roti/naan/pita |
| 00:49.07 | thingfish | this baking chicken in the oven shit just doesn't cut it. |
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| 00:49.08 | stoned | too bad I am in america and people don't have those in their houses |
| 00:49.21 | simonrvn | some people do |
| 00:49.21 | abrotman | thingfish: wouldn't you rather have a cast iron pan ? |
| 00:49.31 | thingfish | oh definitely - especially since there's nothing to them. |
| 00:49.41 | thingfish | abrotman: oh honey I got me some o them. |
| 00:49.42 | cire | a program returns a string which looks like "a b c d e f g h", and I only want to get the "e". How may I do that? (the letters stand for numbers) |
| 00:49.46 | zachhale | anyone know the name of the default theme for the latest RedHat? I want to put it on my debian box |
| 00:49.48 | stoned | you can make one, its not hard. Just get a lot of clay/mud and bild it yourself, and in the bottom, just place a regular gas ignited burner |
| 00:49.49 | simonrvn | especially when you swing across someone's head |
| 00:49.53 | simonrvn | it* |
| 00:49.54 | zachhale | or anyone know a good theme for debian? |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | thingfish: i needed one tonight ... |
| 00:50.00 | stoned | thingfish, thats how lots of people in pakistan do it |
| 00:50.06 | zachhale | er, gnome on debian |
| 00:50.06 | thingfish | haha stoned right like I'm going to dip my hands in mud. |
| 00:50.19 | simonrvn | clay dude. it's fun |
| 00:50.22 | Phated | I'm with abrotman - cast iron is the way to go. |
| 00:50.26 | stoned | thingfish, why not? I like to make the things I need, rather than buy em. I buy when I need to. |
| 00:50.34 | iturk | abrotman: is OO also suitable to edit a DocBook document ?? |
| 00:50.34 | thingfish | oh I love my cast iron skillets. |
| 00:50.38 | Phated | It explains the quality of your weed. |
| 00:50.53 | thingfish | hehe Phated you are so cute! |
| 00:51.03 | abrotman | iturk: i don't actually know it works .. you'll have to try it |
| 00:51.03 | stoned | isnt she |
| 00:51.04 | stoned | lol |
| 00:51.14 | thingfish | I love sass. |
| 00:51.14 | Phated | Ehm... sure, whatever. |
| 00:51.18 | stoned | I would pinch her cheeks |
| 00:51.19 | stoned | lol |
| 00:51.21 | adrakoa | help in c program.. semctl: Invalid argument <- this messages flood me from child after a fork, but "children" don't use semctl. thanks .. |
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| 00:51.26 | thingfish | I didn't mean it that way. |
| 00:51.28 | stoned | like all my aunts do it and I HATE it heh |
| 00:51.33 | simonrvn | adrakoa: try #c |
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| 00:51.40 | stoned | im 25 and I still get my cheecks pinched every year it hurts like hell |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | CSNY in philly! |
| 00:51.53 | thingfish | Phated: I just meant I like attitude, and you have attitude. |
| 00:51.58 | adrakoa | simonrvn i tried... |
| 00:52.04 | Phated | thingfish: I do. It's not painfully difficult to discern. |
| 00:52.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:52.19 | thingfish | well that's what makes it great |
| 00:52.28 | Phated | abrotman: CS: Philly, surely ;) |
| 00:52.31 | thingfish | it wouldn't be attitude if you were demure. |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | Phated: cheesesteak ? |
| 00:52.45 | abrotman | !csny |
| 00:52.51 | Phated | Whoops, CSI? :) |
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| 00:53.00 | simonrvn | sassy lassie |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:53.03 | marco13185 | can OpenOffice Impress export to windows executables? |
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| 00:53.19 | simonrvn | csi:philly |
| 00:53.24 | simonrvn | nooooooo |
| 00:53.37 | Phated | CSI: Philly - Cheesesteak Investigation. |
| 00:53.41 | abrotman | Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young |
| 00:53.43 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 00:54.09 | Phated | abrotman: Oh right :) |
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| 00:55.38 | ACU | Now I am in trouble --- I think I missed some sys file from windows --- and I forgot which sys file I have to transfer from the booting Cd to the hard --- |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | everyone loves cheesesteaks |
| 00:55.56 | stoned | ACU, heh, need winblows help? |
| 00:56.14 | stoned | ACU, go to dal.net irc #windows95 best windows support chan i know of |
| 00:56.19 | stoned | ACU, don't ask here |
| 00:56.35 | thingfish | no they don't abrotman. well, I mean, yes - everyone loves the taste. but they're so horrible for you. |
| 00:56.56 | Phated | Bah, if they were, I'd have dropped dead by now. |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | thingfish: so what .. you just crap it out an hour later .. the grease lubes your pipes |
| 00:57.34 | thingfish | Phated: yeah but have you had a physical lately? A cholesterol check? A metabolic profile? |
| 00:57.45 | thingfish | oh lord abrotman |
| 00:57.48 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:57.55 | blondie | Lord Abrotman |
| 00:57.59 | Phated | thingfish: I'm bloody 18, who needs one, I'd much rather drop dead, cheers. |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | thingfish: you love them too .. you come to n-town and eat three before you leave! |
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| 00:58.23 | thingfish | wow phated I thought you were much older. |
| 00:58.32 | stoned | I thought she was like 40 or something |
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| 00:58.33 | Phated | I'm not sure how flattered I should be. |
| 00:58.38 | blondie | mm 18 |
| 00:58.42 | stoned | seriously, I am not kidding |
| 00:58.42 | stoned | sorry :( |
| 00:58.59 | Noboru | Need help please |
| 00:59.01 | stoned | but 18 is much better than 40 |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | as long as she moves like an 18 year old .. who cares |
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| 00:59.10 | Phated | Hey, hey. |
| 00:59.12 | abrotman | Noboru: just ask |
| 00:59.18 | Phated | Take the moving off #d. |
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| 00:59.33 | simonrvn | * dehelper sets channel limit to -rwxr-xr-x |
| 00:59.38 | Hakamoto | Phated: thats just what you get if your nice, everybody thinks your old and to wasted to be ethy *g* |
| 00:59.38 | Noboru | my mysql cannot start at localhost i knew it,so i set bind = 192.xx.xx.xx then restarted mysql it worked,but ... |
| 00:59.45 | Hakamoto | etchy |
| 00:59.47 | Noboru | after a shutdown and a reboot, it stops working :( |
| 00:59.56 | thingfish | god if I were female I'd never let it be known on irc... |
| 00:59.58 | Phated | Hakamoto: I'm -nice-? News to me. |
| 01:00.27 | stoned | kyle's mom is a bitch... southpark song comes to mind |
| 01:00.28 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:01.40 | simonrvn | afk |
| 01:01.47 | Hakamoto | Phated: oh sorry, didn't want to be mean *g* |
| 01:01.59 | thingfish | none of us wants to be mean. |
| 01:02.09 | Phated | We may, however, choose to be. |
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| 01:02.27 | Hakamoto | hihi, i somehow doubt it |
| 01:02.31 | thingfish | sometimes it's entertaining :) |
| 01:02.43 | Phated | Sometimes? Heh. |
| 01:02.45 | Hakamoto | thats right i guess |
| 01:02.46 | stoned | I feel sorry for people who are mean |
| 01:02.46 | Noboru | strange, the eth0 doesnt have a IP i just checked |
| 01:03.05 | Hakamoto | and if it spares half an hour of worthless talk |
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| 01:03.20 | stoned | I feel that because they know how to BE nice, but they ARE NOT nice or affectionate |
| 01:03.24 | Hakamoto | who wouldnt |
| 01:03.38 | Red_Cloud | Noboru, my machine works with eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 01:03.40 | Phated | thingfish: If you were female, you'd understand the fun in making a channel full of men look like idiots :) |
| 01:03.49 | thingfish | ooh delicious |
| 01:03.52 | Hakamoto | hihi |
| 01:04.02 | Noboru | Red_Cloud, huh ? i have never met this problem hmm,let me check |
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| 01:04.09 | Phated | Oh, stop fucking hihi-ing, it's not a bloody anime-fest. |
| 01:04.10 | stoned | Phated, sexist much? |
| 01:04.15 | ENE|Toxic | Can anyone see if they get a response from my server: toxics.hopto.org (thanks!) |
| 01:04.21 | Red_Cloud | Noboru go to /usr/log/daemon.log and see what happened with the start on boot. |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | no? |
| 01:04.26 | Phated | stoned: Yes, much. Deal. |
| 01:04.48 | stoned | Phated, I give less than two shits really, /ignore works, but .. hihi :) |
| 01:04.56 | Phated | Then again, "if I were female I'd never let it be known on irc". |
| 01:05.09 | stoned | Phated, I feel men are superior to to women, so what, these are just opinions |
| 01:05.10 | Noboru | Red_Cloud, it worked fine yesterday ,i added bind = 192.168.xx.xx in my.inf which addr. is the eth0'. |
| 01:05.11 | stoned | :) |
| 01:05.21 | thingfish | oh lord stoned, please just stop |
| 01:05.25 | Red_Cloud | Noboru, excuse me that is /var/log/daemon.log |
| 01:05.31 | Phated | And I feel men are idiots, that's my opinion too. Don't call -me- sexist if you're going to be. |
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| 01:05.44 | stoned | thingfish, I am just kidding around man, just pulling Phated's leg :) |
| 01:05.48 | Noboru | Red_Cloud, it worked now |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | stoned: are you actually Ted Walther ? |
| 01:05.54 | deejoe | stoned is still at it, I see. |
| 01:06.08 | thingfish | Phated: are you a separatist? I could certainly do without women. |
| 01:06.08 | Phated | abrotman: :O IN DISGUISE! |
| 01:06.10 | Noboru | Red_Cloud, I just manually ran ifconfig eth0 192.168.xx.xx then init 6,weird |
| 01:06.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:06.22 | Phated | thingfish: No, just sexist, remember? And rethink your second sentence ;) |
| 01:06.24 | Red_Cloud | Noboru, it works with manual start and also boot start? |
| 01:06.35 | Phated | (They're idiots, but I never said I wanted to kill them all ;)) |
| 01:06.41 | abrotman | Phated: no .. really he could .. we've covered this .. except for that pesky .. being born part .. |
| 01:06.48 | thingfish | Phated: I'm gay, I don't care about women except as runway models. |
| 01:06.56 | Phated | thingfish: Oh, fair enough then. |
| 01:06.58 | ENE|Toxic | Can anyone see if they get a response from my server: http://toxics.hopto.org |
| 01:07.02 | Noboru | Red_Cloud, No, it worked after a reboot, before that ,after i specified addr. on eth0,it didnt work |
| 01:07.29 | abrotman | ENE|Toxic: yeah .. works fine |
| 01:07.33 | Phated | thingfish: Can't really do without them either, what WILL ALL THE STRAIGHT BOYS DO when lacking in lingerie entertainment? ;) |
| 01:07.38 | ENE|Toxic | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 01:07.44 | stoned | Phated, I didn't CALL you sexist, I asked. You reacted instead of responding, if men are idiots, then you really are just 18. Maturity comes with age despite what people might say. |
| 01:07.46 | Noboru | Red_Cloud, let me shut it down and test it again |
| 01:07.48 | ACU | Guys: what is chainloading ? |
| 01:07.57 | Phated | Hahahahaha. |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | ACU: with respect to what ? |
| 01:08.01 | thingfish | Phated: maybe they'll have to turn to each other. |
| 01:08.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:08.07 | Phated | "Are you sexist?" Hahahahahaha. |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | stoned: you're not that old either |
| 01:08.21 | Phated | stoned: I believe I responded "Yes, much. Deal." |
| 01:08.21 | Red_Cloud | Noboru, OK, sorry that I did not help you but happy that it now is running. Noboru then check /var/log/daemon.log after boot if it does not work |
| 01:08.23 | ACU | Grub entry - windows chainloading +1 |
| 01:08.27 | Phated | thingfish: Oh, that'd be fun :) |
| 01:08.29 | thingfish | god we are a decadent bunch in here, aren't we |
| 01:08.34 | Noboru | Red_Cloud, Thanks,i will |
| 01:08.44 | Phated | Prft. |
| 01:08.48 | stoned | abrotman, I never claimed to be, old OR mature, I am an idiot and I admit it |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | thingfish: could be worse |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | that's almost qotd-worthy |
| 01:09.13 | Phated | abrotman: He makes it sound like I claimed to be mature. |
| 01:09.16 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:09.16 | dpkg | i guess qotd32 is <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all ! |
| 01:09.32 | ACU | I messed up the mbr or something like this so first I have to restart Window$ properly -befor going to add back the HD with Debian |
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| 01:09.54 | stoned | Phated, I am also not responsible for your perception |
| 01:10.32 | stoned | I don't want stupid arguments, just take what I said as humor and let it go, its all good, no mal intent |
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| 01:10.52 | thingfish | !grand prix abrotman |
| 01:10.52 | dpkg | Yes, GRUB can prix abrotman. It's not called the GRAND Unified Bootloader for nothing. |
| 01:11.00 | thingfish | what??? |
| 01:11.05 | thingfish | didn't want that at all. |
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| 01:11.20 | thingfish | I was thinking of a big trophy cup. |
| 01:11.22 | Trent | How do I change my resolutions? |
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| 01:11.37 | abrotman | !prize thingfish |
| 01:11.46 | Trent | They are 800*600, it's getting annoying, because this is the highest it lets me in the configuration for g. |
| 01:11.46 | lordnazgul | trent dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:11.48 | thingfish | ok, sweetie needs computer help and is feeling neglected. |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | the cat? |
| 01:12.02 | thingfish | have fun at someone's expense, kids! ;) |
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| 01:12.45 | Trent | lordnazgul, It says that's not a package. |
| 01:12.57 | Trent | erm not installed* |
| 01:12.57 | lordnazgul | trent are you running sarge? |
| 01:13.00 | Trent | Yeah |
| 01:13.07 | Trent | The latest. |
| 01:13.08 | trym | is the CONFIG_HIGHMEM removed from the rep. kernel 2.6.15 source? |
| 01:13.11 | lordnazgul | trent try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | !drxx trent |
| 01:13.15 | dpkg | trent: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:13.21 | abrotman | Trent: pick one resolution you want to use |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | trym: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-<whatever> |
| 01:13.45 | trym | abrotman: does not exist |
| 01:13.53 | lordnazgul | ooh thanx abrotman now i know there is a bot entry |
| 01:13.56 | trym | abrotman: I mean there will be no output from tha tcommand |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | lordnazgul: been there .. forever |
| 01:14.07 | Trent | lordnazgul, And on first install |
| 01:14.12 | Trent | I didn't know what I should've picked for the driver |
| 01:14.17 | Trent | so I picked the selected which was uh.... |
| 01:14.21 | Trent | "vesa" |
| 01:14.28 | Trent | and I am using nVidia GeForce 6100 |
| 01:14.34 | lordnazgul | trent vesa is a generic one. try nv |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | vesa only does 800x600 |
| 01:15.00 | trym | abrotman: what could be wrong? |
| 01:15.12 | Trent | lordnazgul, What might be my pc bus identifer? |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | trym: did you compile your own ? |
| 01:15.20 | Trent | erm |
| 01:15.22 | Trent | video card* |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 01:15.23 | dpkg | methinks kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 01:15.28 | lordnazgul | trent jsut hit enter |
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| 01:15.58 | trym | abrotman: nope |
| 01:16.08 | abrotman | trym: the .16 isn't at that url .. i don't it installed .. can you paste it somewhere ? |
| 01:16.09 | trym | abrotman: Im trying to.. and I have tried importing the stock kernel config |
| 01:16.28 | trym | abrotman: Im sorry, the .16 ? |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | 2.6.16 |
| 01:16.38 | trym | its 2.6.15 |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | oh .. i have that one in etch |
| 01:16.56 | abrotman | trym: uname -a .. says what ? |
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| 01:17.15 | GyrosGeier | anyone got cryptoroot working? |
| 01:17.23 | trym | 2.6.15-21-amd64-generic #! SMP |
| 01:17.26 | trym | etc |
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| 01:17.42 | GyrosGeier | I have crypto-everything except for root, usr and var |
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| 01:17.53 | GyrosGeier | (will convert usr and var when I have time) |
| 01:18.03 | stoned | oh :D |
| 01:18.09 | GyrosGeier | but I'm not entirely sure of the root stuff |
| 01:18.11 | abrotman | stoned: you didn't have to msg me that |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | i said it here .. you can ask about it here |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | stoned: your grammar sucks! |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | sexist pig! |
| 01:18.37 | stoned | abrotman, I don't deny it |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | stoner! |
| 01:18.43 | abrotman | addict! |
| 01:18.45 | stoned | I reset the second one |
| 01:18.45 | abrotman | ok .. i'm done |
| 01:18.50 | stoned | resent* |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | stoned: you're not bacon? |
| 01:19.03 | stoned | no |
| 01:19.06 | trym | for sure |
| 01:19.09 | stoned | I only said that to spite phated |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | trym: you didn't build that yourself ? |
| 01:19.22 | abrotman | stoned: that's not nice |
| 01:19.24 | trym | abrotman: nope.. ubuntu repositories |
| 01:19.29 | stoned | since all men are idiots anyway, why would she use a OS coded primarily by men |
| 01:19.31 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:19.34 | abrotman | trym: do i need to smack you with #ubuntu ? |
| 01:19.36 | stoned | *bullshit**ahem |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | stoned: because she's writing her own ? |
| 01:20.10 | trym | abrotman: heh.. well you could ;) but the issue is probably not distro specific.. |
| 01:20.13 | trym | or is it? |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | trym: well .. your config may be different than debian's .. they have different kernel teams |
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| 01:20.40 | stoned | its all good man, I am being a sarcastic joker toker, I'm a moron, its all good |
| 01:20.53 | stoned | i shush now |
| 01:20.54 | trym | ok let me rephrase.. how can I add the config vars I want.. without make-kpkg removing them ? |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | it's |
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| 01:21.18 | abrotman | trym: the default kernel from ubuntu should have that option enabled .. that's why i said to ask #ubuntu |
| 01:21.37 | trym | abrotman: well none of the configs for the kernels.. even the default one.. even mention HIGHMEM |
| 01:21.44 | joeljose420 | has any one heard of ISSAF ? ... |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | trym: the Debian ones do .. |
| 01:21.58 | abrotman | blondie: i can make a guess :) |
| 01:22.03 | blondie | oh? |
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| 01:22.46 | joeljose420 | deb sarge uses 2.4.27 kernel; i tested it for idle scan, the 0 ip id vuln it was vulnerable.!! |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | trym: perhaps ask #ubuntu-kernel ? |
| 01:22.56 | trym | ooh |
| 01:22.58 | trym | chan for that |
| 01:22.59 | trym | wee |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | joeljose420: which version ? |
| 01:23.17 | joeljose420 | sarge 3.1 i think |
| 01:23.19 | stoned | 420 ehehe :) |
| 01:23.28 | abrotman | joeljose420: no .. which version of 2.4.27 ? |
| 01:23.36 | joeljose420 | oh.. i386 |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | no |
| 01:23.41 | joeljose420 | the default install |
| 01:23.42 | abrotman | which version ... |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | joeljose420: do you have the security source in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 01:24.04 | joeljose420 | no |
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| 01:24.15 | abrotman | joeljose420: well golly .. that might be a good reason |
| 01:24.29 | trym | abrotman: idle of course ;) |
| 01:24.43 | hobophobe | How do I specify for module-assistant to use gcc 3.3 rather than 4.0? |
| 01:24.58 | joeljose420 | how can you "patch" the idle scan without changing kernel ??? |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | trym: well .. you can ask #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel .. but people in here aren't running the same kernel .. so asking here is pointless |
| 01:25.01 | pipeline | hobophobe: You can't. |
| 01:25.13 | pipeline | hobophobe: Module-assistant will use the compiler that was used to build the kernel. |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | joeljose420: add the security line .. |
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| 01:25.30 | joeljose420 | i thought idle scan was patched in kernel > 2.4.8 |
| 01:25.41 | hobophobe | hmm... well the kernel module wants to be built in 3.3, the 4.0 fails to load... |
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| 01:25.56 | trym | abrotman: None of them appearently know.. and Ill make my questions distribution-independant.. for example..can you do HIGHMEM with AMD64 as with x86? is that the right way to go for 4GB of memory ? |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | trym: it's probably not an option because of the way amd64 addresses RAM |
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| 01:26.23 | tuv | has anyone managed to reboot on a machine with a pheonix bios? |
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| 01:26.36 | trym | abrotman: wouldnt surprise me.. that brings me to why the hell someone told me that is the way to do it |
| 01:26.37 | joeljose420 | yes |
| 01:26.38 | abrotman | tuv: uhm .. yes |
| 01:26.42 | joeljose420 | mine is phoenix ;) |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | trym: they're stupid ? |
| 01:26.48 | trym | abrotman: my bios reports 4GB installed, but 2,4GB usable.. |
| 01:26.59 | trym | and I talked in ##linux about enabling memory hole etc in the bios |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | linux says 2GB? |
| 01:27.16 | tuv | it shutsdown here but halts there without actually rebooting. shutdown works properly though.. any ideas? |
| 01:27.19 | trym | but they said "no no no.. dont do that.. the bios can do whatever it want.. linux should be able to detect/be told what you have" |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | trym: well .. that makes no sense .. without HIGHMEM .. you get 960MB |
| 01:27.33 | ACU | Guys - can I ask for more help ---- I have addedd a hardisk runing Windows - and modified grub.list - however the newly added harddisk is not seen in KDE and does not boot - if I choose it from Grub - any more hints |
| 01:27.34 | trym | abrotman: linux reports the exact same amount as the bios says is usable.. ~2,4GB |
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| 01:27.59 | abrotman | trym: then it doesn't sound like a linux issue .. no idea ... |
| 01:28.05 | joeljose420 | try using phoenix bios > 9 |
| 01:28.23 | joeljose420 | try a bios flash update |
| 01:28.36 | trym | abrotman: so what is the proper way of having support for 4GB of ram in linux.. does the bios need to recognize it aswell ? |
| 01:28.49 | joeljose420 | be care ful while updating though!! |
| 01:28.55 | trym | I mean.. the bios recognizes the installed memory.. but due to memory hole not being enabled.. only some of it is usable |
| 01:29.00 | trym | and SLI also steals a bit |
| 01:29.05 | tuv | joeljose420, was that for me? i'm running the latest bios for the machine.. it's a laptop |
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| 01:29.11 | abrotman | trym: i have no idea ... i don't understand why it's not all there .. all i can say is try Debian .. see if it's any different .. i don't use ubuntu .. and don't have amd64 hardware |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | trym: or try #hardware ? |
| 01:29.32 | trym | abrotman: I run debian too.. same thing there by default |
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| 01:29.59 | elpolilla | hi |
| 01:30.00 | ACU | I get the message: root (hd0,1) ---- Filesystem type uknown, partition typ 0X5 ----- makeactive ---- error 12 iInvalid device requested ---- |
| 01:30.06 | trym | abrotman: Ill try.. thanks |
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| 01:30.20 | tuv | i had the same problem on two different laptops both with pheonix bios |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | trym: maybe ubuntu has an amd64 mailing list ? |
| 01:30.36 | trym | abrotman: ill google for it |
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| 01:31.09 | abrotman | trym: you really should be asking #ubuntu though .. not #debian |
| 01:31.10 | mavric2001 | just installed gyachImproved here, voice chat works in yahoo now on it |
| 01:31.12 | jetscreamer | !kill google |
| 01:31.13 | konrad127123 | Hello. I have a home-built .deb which I've installed, but I'm having trouble pinning it so that the default Debian version doesn't replace it. My /etc/apt/preferences file is as follows: |
| 01:31.24 | konrad127123 | Package: nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-1-686-smp |
| 01:31.24 | konrad127123 | Pin: version 1.0.8756+1 |
| 01:31.24 | konrad127123 | Pin-priority: 1 |
| 01:31.28 | joeljose420 | hmmmm.. which linux version do ya use? |
| 01:31.28 | abrotman | !tell konrad127123 about hold |
| 01:31.28 | trym | abrotman: I have tried ;) noone knows the answer / cares enough ;) |
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| 01:31.41 | abrotman | trym: use a distro with better user support :) |
| 01:31.43 | joeljose420 | and does the "reboot" work for any *any* OS ? |
| 01:32.13 | tuv | joeljose420, i can reboot from windows (dual booted on one of the machines) with no problems |
| 01:32.44 | tuv | joeljose420, please try to let me know when you're talking to me, if you're talking to me |
| 01:32.48 | joeljose420 | and still *which* linux distro u use? |
| 01:32.52 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:32.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:33.04 | tuv | joeljose420, debian testing |
| 01:33.18 | joeljose420 | current one ? |
| 01:33.22 | konrad127123 | Is it possible to do it in a way that avoids the current version in unstable, but will install the next version that appears in unstable once it shows up? (does that make sense?) |
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| 01:33.35 | Azar | :) current... what? |
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| 01:33.46 | trym | abrotman: hehe.. well.. I use debian for servers etc.. but debian stable has too old packages.. and testing broke several times.. |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | konrad127123: i don't think so .. you'll have to remove the hold later |
| 01:33.54 | trym | abrotman: (k)ubuntu is a nice in-between |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | it is called testing |
| 01:34.03 | joeljose420 | mmmm |
| 01:34.05 | joeljose420 | hmmm |
| 01:34.06 | tuv | joeljose420, yup |
| 01:34.11 | konrad127123 | abrotman: :(. thanks |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | trym: well .. you can ask #kubuntu too |
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| 01:34.22 | trym | when testing breaks.. and I come here.. people tell me "well.. its testing.. dont expect it to work" |
| 01:34.31 | Azar | sunday, it is sunday |
| 01:34.41 | astronut | has anyone noticed lately if you try to start firefox while it's running, it gives an error, rather than joining the current session and opening a new tab/window? |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | it was probably the mass KDE breakage |
| 01:34.48 | joeljose420 | try using a live cd of something else like knoppix, if that has no issue's with your reboot.. then let me know |
| 01:35.10 | trym | abrotman: yup :) |
| 01:35.10 | Azar | trym: depending on one's hardware , I upgraded to etch and "for me" works perfect |
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| 01:35.47 | tuv | etch is great |
| 01:35.59 | trym | btw.. xgl.. oh my lord |
| 01:36.01 | joeljose420 | i mean if the "other" linux has no issues. get a detail spec of the hardware in your pc, and the details of the testing deb version you used; report it to bugzilla or some similar of deb; they will take care |
| 01:36.01 | trym | eyecandy deluxe |
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| 01:37.32 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 01:37.33 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 01:38.22 | ArielMT | Hello. I'm using Etch and x.org version 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6. I have the comixcursors package installed. How do I change the mouse pointer to use one of its themes? |
| 01:38.26 | joeljose420 | dpkg u sound like a spambot!! |
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| 01:38.34 | Azar | trym: if you want to install Debian etch take it slowly: install base only, upgrade kernel ( a kernel fit for amd64), configure hardware only then go for X... then kde/gnome and other applications |
| 01:38.36 | joeljose420 | are u a program? .. ; hehehe |
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| 01:39.21 | trym | azar: sort of like having sex? |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | !tell joeljose420 about u |
| 01:39.23 | Azar | joeljose420: dpkg does not like when you don't speak in a mannered way |
| 01:39.33 | elpolilla | i mixed up apt installing a rpm converted with alien and now i cant remove it :S ... this is what i get (its in spanish) http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hIxmLk67.html |
| 01:39.37 | Noboru | Azar, can i ask ? |
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| 01:39.58 | Azar | trym: newer machines with newer devices are sensitive, you have to deal one by one with them |
| 01:40.02 | Azar | hi Noboru |
| 01:40.03 | Noboru | Azar, You said installed base only ...however i didnt find it allows me to select which to install,but it installed base automatically |
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| 01:40.25 | elpolilla | is there any way to remove that package? |
| 01:40.26 | Noboru | I have tried etch install twice,same |
| 01:40.41 | Azar | Noboru: sure, you can select all stuff you want, but is nicer to put a clean sheet on that bed before you have sex |
| 01:40.47 | lakcaj | how do I reconfigure the network from the commandline? For some reason on my other machine, the ethernet card keeps changing from eth1 to eth2, etc. Also, /etc/network/interfaces doesn't have anything but the loopback device. |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | ifname |
| 01:41.00 | Noboru | Azar, ok |
| 01:41.11 | Azar | Noboru: if you got the base and devices configured nicely, then you can go ahead have fun with all extras |
| 01:41.15 | tictac | ifconfig ethX |
| 01:41.49 | Noboru | Azar, i mean during etch installation ,after partiting is done,it auto starts base intsalling |
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| 01:42.20 | me | I need linux-headers for 2.6.16.14. These aren't available with apt-get. Can I make/install them myself? |
| 01:42.29 | Azar | is easier to come and get advice on say a driver that does not get fixed, while having only base installed than when you got kde, gnome, games , applications and I don't know what else... |
| 01:42.39 | tuv | joeljose420, see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=313726 |
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| 01:42.58 | elpolilla | i need help.. please |
| 01:42.58 | GyrosGeier | me, just install the kernel tree somewhere and use that as the kernel header dir |
| 01:43.01 | Azar | Noboru: just do not use dselect and request all applications installed yet |
| 01:43.02 | Noboru | Azar, ok |
| 01:43.12 | emacsen | Why when you're trying to install a package would apt say "selecting X instead of Y" ? |
| 01:43.16 | GyrosGeier | me, it does not make sense to just get the headers without building a kernel anyway |
| 01:43.28 | Noboru | Azar, ok i will try next time i install it,thanks |
| 01:43.40 | Kerr | Is there any fast (apt) way to get the old acorn game swiv running on debian/anywhere to get it? A friend sitting next to me saw acorn pop up in conversation and is experiencing the renewal of long-dormant withdrawal symptoms. |
| 01:43.44 | Kerr | :( |
| 01:43.49 | me | GyrosGeier: I have the new kernel, now I need headers. |
| 01:44.06 | GyrosGeier | me, where did you get the kernel? |
| 01:44.09 | dvs | me: That's another package |
| 01:44.14 | me | GyrosGeier: kernel.org |
| 01:44.21 | abrotman | Kerr: are you serious ? .. apt-cache search acorn |
| 01:44.22 | Azar | Noboru: while on a base install, CLI only you can still surf the net with links2, and chat with irssi (command line applications) |
| 01:44.22 | me | dvs: I have a custom kernel. |
| 01:44.22 | dvs | you compiled it yourself? |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | or swiv |
| 01:44.31 | me | dvs: yes. |
| 01:44.34 | GyrosGeier | me, so you compiled it yourself? |
| 01:44.35 | dvs | me: you should have done it at compile time |
| 01:44.37 | joeljose420 | oh.. toshiba started hiring from redmond!! |
| 01:44.43 | me | GyrosGeier: yes. |
| 01:44.46 | me | dvs: how? |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | Kerr: or .. check happypenguin.org |
| 01:44.56 | dvs | me: you did use make-kpkg right? |
| 01:44.59 | GyrosGeier | me, then you already have headers |
| 01:45.09 | Noboru | Azar, i mean, how do i tell tech to not installing dselect ? the installer is different from it in woody |
| 01:45.13 | me | dvs: yes |
| 01:45.15 | GyrosGeier | me, just point whatever wants them at your kernel tree |
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| 01:45.27 | dvs | me: then you should have specified kernel_headers as well |
| 01:45.38 | Noboru | tech -> Etch * |
| 01:45.40 | me | dvs: how do I do that? |
| 01:45.41 | Azar | Noboru: you just not "use" dselect.. that what I ment |
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| 01:45.55 | me | GyrosGeier: I did point it to /usr/src/linux and it didn't work. |
| 01:46.01 | dvs | me: the same way you made kernel_image |
| 01:46.10 | Noboru | Azar, oh |
| 01:46.34 | Azar | Noboru: it probably invite you to make use of it at installation time, you just skip it |
| 01:46.36 | me | dvs: make-kpkg kernel_headers? |
| 01:46.40 | dvs | yup |
| 01:46.50 | emacsen | Why won't apt install postfix-tls? |
| 01:46.52 | Noboru | Azar, i didn't notice that |
| 01:47.03 | elpolilla | i mixed up apt installing a rpm converted with alien and now i cant remove it :S ... this is what i get (its in spanish) http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hIxmLk67.html - is there any way to remove that package? |
| 01:47.13 | emacsen | apt, postfix-tls? |
| 01:47.20 | me | dvs: now do I need to dpkg -i this? |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | emacsen: what's the eerror ? |
| 01:47.30 | dvs | me: yes |
| 01:47.54 | Azar | Noboru: I only installed Woody and at dselect I only picked C, GTK (you can also pick Mail Server - I do not use) and that was all |
| 01:48.08 | emacsen | abrotman: Note, selecting postfix instead of postfix-tls |
| 01:48.12 | GyrosGeier | emacsen, isn't postfix-tls merged into the main package these days? |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | emacsen: using sarge? |
| 01:48.22 | emacsen | GyrosGeier: that's what I'm asking |
| 01:48.23 | emacsen | abrotman: Sid |
| 01:48.28 | Noboru | Azar, okay,i will check that again |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | emacsen: could be merged now .. with a transistional package |
| 01:48.41 | abrotman | emacsen: try to run 'ldd' on it |
| 01:48.44 | emacsen | abrotman: postfix-tls doesn't say so |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | on the smtp binary i mean |
| 01:49.11 | sandman | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/installwatch.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 01:49.13 | emacsen | abrotman: do you know Postfix? there are lots of binaries... I actually don't remember which one would do the TLS :) |
| 01:49.22 | abrotman | emacsen: the smtp would |
| 01:49.24 | Azar | Noboru: the installer changed a lot from Woody to Sarge to Etch.. use just common sense and caution, do not bloat your system from install time, select only basic features required by the system |
| 01:49.29 | abrotman | emacsen: i know it .. but i don't use TLS |
| 01:49.40 | emacsen | abrotman: nor do I. I just want sasl |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | uhm |
| 01:50.13 | me | dvs: I have linux-headers but I'm not sure where they are installed. I need them in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 01:50.16 | emacsen | oh indeed postfix package now has that stuff in it |
| 01:50.25 | Noboru | Azar, yeah tree,i prefer it in woody hehe |
| 01:50.32 | Noboru | true* |
| 01:50.39 | dvs | me: have you checked /usr/src? |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | emacsen: i'd guess since postfix depends on the sasl library .. should be fine |
| 01:50.59 | Azar | Noboru: the very first thing after an installation, upgrade to the kernel you might want to use (I use 2.6.15 and is ok). The higher kernel gives you more support on your hardware. Try not to jump on the "latest" kernel though |
| 01:51.07 | me | dvs: yes, I already dpkg -i linux-headers.deb |
| 01:51.14 | emacsen | abrotman: yeah looks so... |
| 01:51.28 | emacsen | abrotman: thx... though there's no more docs on configuration |
| 01:51.31 | Noboru | Azar, i haven't recompiled kernel :) |
| 01:51.32 | dvs | me: then make a link from linux-header-2.6.16.6 to linux in /usr/src |
| 01:51.54 | Hakamoto | Kernel[Linux 2.6.16.11-kanotix-1 i686] |
| 01:51.56 | me | brb. need to restart. |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | emacsen: docs are for .. people who read |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | !kanotix |
| 01:52.11 | dpkg | [kanotix] not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian> |
| 01:52.12 | Azar | Noboru: I installed Woody > upgraded to Sarge > upgraded to a 2.6.8 kernel, > upgraded to Etch > upgraded to a 2.6.15 kernel and only after all this I installed X, configured the video / sound and got a Desktop Manger |
| 01:52.23 | Noboru | Azar, by the way, have you tried using the debian-way to recompile kernel ? |
| 01:52.27 | Hakamoto | hihi |
| 01:52.31 | Azar | Noboru: you do not need to re"compile", just install what is given |
| 01:52.44 | Azar | Noboru: long ago when I used sid |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | !kanotix is also go to #kanotix |
| 01:52.47 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 01:53.18 | Noboru | Azar, oh, i have never tried that,but i always do it manually |
| 01:53.26 | Azar | :) boo |
| 01:53.47 | Azar | Noboru: to install a precompiled kernel takes 15 min |
| 01:54.11 | Noboru | Azar, can you get stuff off of the kernel in that way ?for example you dont need scsi |
| 01:54.14 | Hakamoto | abrotman: kick me then, i'm just curious about debian also, feel free |
| 01:54.24 | nixuser | hmmm seems ive been baned from ubuntu for talking about hardware |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | !d-i Hakamoto |
| 01:54.43 | dpkg | Hakamoto, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:55.08 | nixuser | ubuntu is starting to remind of der fuhrer billy |
| 01:55.24 | Azar | Noboru: on the Woody ways the kernel would give you modconf to pick your modules, and that way you could select what you want, I guess in Etch you still can install/use modconf, but Etch has udev that automatically detects your hardware and only selects modules you might need |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | etch does not require udev |
| 01:55.58 | Azar | abrotman: what does etch use? |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | it can use udev |
| 01:56.22 | Noboru | Azar, I see |
| 01:56.33 | Azar | how a kernel in etch can auto detect devices? |
| 01:56.49 | tuv | how can i debug this "halt but no reboot" problem? |
| 01:56.59 | Azar | man everything changes so fast |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | Azar: yeah ..but you're still using woody |
| 01:57.14 | lordnazgul | tuv first place to look would be syslog |
| 01:57.37 | nixuser | time for a apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:57.44 | Azar | abrotman: yes because it has tools I learned how to use, I have no idea the other versions what tools are using |
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| 01:57.50 | jetscreamer | potato is your god |
| 01:57.59 | tuv | lordnazgul, the system shuts down properly in any case, so syslog is already down at the time of the problem |
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| 01:58.04 | abrotman | Azar: so you give advice in here based on a version of debian released in 2003 ? |
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| 01:58.11 | Azar | my both Debian PCs have Woody base |
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| 01:58.33 | Azar | abrotman: it is still Debian and so far I know it works ok |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | erm .. 2002 |
| 01:58.38 | tuv | lordnazgul, in other words, syslog does not have anything interesting with regard to this problem |
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| 01:58.50 | abrotman | Azar: many things have changed |
| 01:59.15 | Azar | abrotman: where could I found a change log documentation? |
| 01:59.17 | lordnazgul | tuv. does it just not come back at all (ie no powerto anything) or does it just not look like its doing anything, but it is powered |
| 01:59.19 | nixuser | how long before the next stable release of debian btw |
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| 01:59.39 | abrotman | Azar: just freaking upgrade |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 01:59.45 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00000.html |
| 01:59.45 | dvs | nixuser: December, or 2009 |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | nixuser: ^^ |
| 01:59.52 | Azar | abrotman: ??? I am in Etch now |
| 01:59.58 | abrotman | you just said you were in woody |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | i give up |
| 02:00.03 | nixuser | dvs: 09?? lol |
| 02:00.13 | nixuser | Ill be dead by then |
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| 02:00.23 | tuv | lordnazgul, it finishes shutdown properly and stays there with leds on for as long as i leave it. i have to hard-reset it to get out of that state |
| 02:00.24 | Azar | abrotman: I was telling Noboru that both PCs have started with Woody and I upgraded both |
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| 02:01.06 | nixuser | abrotman: let go let god :)) |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:01.32 | lordnazgul | tuv i have a similar problem on one of my machines. it is a funky interaction with my video card and my motherboard. nothing to fix it afaik' |
| 02:01.37 | Azar | nixuser: is better not to say than give an inaccurate release date |
| 02:01.41 | nixuser | nevermind |
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| 02:01.55 | tuv | lordnazgul, but windows reboots fine! |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | nixuser: i can't understand half of what is being said ... |
| 02:02.10 | dvs | !confuse abrotman |
| 02:02.10 | dpkg | Yes, where is their hamster tomorrow, abrotman? pants of the people's republic of tibet with extra cream |
| 02:02.12 | lordnazgul | tuv hmmm i dont know then, sorry |
| 02:02.16 | nixuser | abrotman: i understand |
| 02:02.18 | Trent | Anyone here install nforce drivers on debian or know anything about it? |
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| 02:02.34 | abrotman | nixuser: you understand what i'm saying? :) |
| 02:02.36 | nixuser | i fool around in linux because its sanity in a insane world |
| 02:02.55 | nixuser | abrotman: in regards to Azar yes |
| 02:03.07 | abrotman | !beat me |
| 02:03.12 | tuv | ok.. so can anyone reboot with a phoenix bios on a laptop? |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | tuv: why can't you? |
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| 02:03.35 | abrotman | dpkg: take my trash out |
| 02:03.43 | tuv | abrotman, i really would love to know that |
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| 02:03.51 | abrotman | tuv: i mean .. at what point does it stop ? |
| 02:04.18 | tuv | abrotman, it shutsdown completely and properly and hangs there.. have to hard-reset it from there |
| 02:04.48 | lordnazgul | tuv have you upgraded to the most recent bios? |
| 02:04.55 | tuv | abrotman, that does not happen if i shutdown instead of reboot. it shutsdown properly and LEDs turn off |
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| 02:05.01 | tuv | lordnazgul, yup |
| 02:05.34 | zephyrus | debian<3 |
| 02:06.29 | tuv | abrotman, when i reboot, it shutsdown properly but the machine stays on with LEDs turned on and i can hear the fan running (it's a laptop) |
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| 02:07.24 | lordnazgul | tuv just a thought, i know this resovled other funky issues with my laptop. you might try disabling lapic and apic |
| 02:07.30 | elpolilla | is there any way to remove a package even if apt cannot run the packages script? |
| 02:07.33 | lordnazgul | dont know if it would help or not |
| 02:07.33 | tuv | i have the same problem on two different laptops, a sony and a toshiba. the only common thing i could think of is the phoenix bios |
| 02:08.00 | tuv | lordnazgul, will try that.. but what would i loose as a result of disabling them? |
| 02:08.38 | tuv | lordnazgul, could you remind me of the kernel option that disables them? apic=off,lapic=off? |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | tuv: is acpi loaded? |
| 02:08.59 | lordnazgul | tuv i beliee so |
| 02:09.13 | tuv | abrotman, yes.. kernel modules and acpid |
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| 02:09.48 | abrotman | tuv: what kind of laptop is this? |
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| 02:11.37 | tuv | abrotman, two of them: a toshiba satellite A70 and a sony vaio VGN-S560P |
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| 02:12.05 | abrotman | tuv: both have latest bios update? |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | tuv: are they old .. like < PIII > |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:12.28 | tuv | abrotman, both centrino.. pretty new |
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| 02:12.47 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:12.47 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 02:12.49 | abrotman | checked there? |
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| 02:13.14 | nixuser | leningrad cowboys singing stairway to heaven is a hoot |
| 02:13.41 | tuv | abrotman, i'm sorry.. the toshiba is a P4 w/ HT, the sony is centrino 1.7XX |
| 02:14.24 | abrotman | tuv: tell you what .. send them both to me .. i'll get them to work :) |
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| 02:15.03 | tuv | abrotman, oh.. neither is mine.. one is from my university and the other is my wife's :) i wish |
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| 02:15.38 | Chris22 | hi |
| 02:15.46 | Chris22 | will nano work on debian? |
| 02:15.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:15.50 | astronut | Chris22: yes |
| 02:15.53 | Chris22 | how? |
| 02:15.57 | abrotman | apt-get install nano ? |
| 02:15.58 | SwooshOnLn | ok, I am new to debian (but not linux). However, I cannot figure out where my X11 stuff is... where is my xorg.conf file? |
| 02:15.58 | dondelelcaro | Chris22: apt-get install nano; |
| 02:16.00 | Chris22 | apt-get doesn't see it |
| 02:16.07 | dondelelcaro | !+info nano |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: aren't you going to DC ? |
| 02:16.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:16.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:16.14 | dpkg | nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is important. Version: 1.3.11-2 (sid), Packaged size: 478 kB, Installed size: 1452 kB |
| 02:16.16 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I leave on tuesday |
| 02:16.19 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, /etc/X11 |
| 02:16.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 02:16.36 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: i know, its not there, no xorg.conf |
| 02:16.45 | Chris22 | nvm |
| 02:16.49 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, is X installed? |
| 02:16.58 | joeljose420 | !+info tor |
| 02:17.04 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.0.17-1 (sid), Packaged size: 628 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 02:17.15 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: yeah, im on it right now, all my resolutions and such set up |
| 02:17.25 | SwooshOnLn | but I cant find the actual .conf file |
| 02:17.44 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, are you running xorg or XFree86? |
| 02:18.14 | TraceGreen | Hello, how can i know i use alsa interface? if i modprobe snd***, does it mean i would use alsa? |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 02:18.45 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: i think xfree actually, (just looking over my notes), I think i should re-do with xorg... apt-get install xserver-xorg? |
| 02:19.07 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, look at your X log file in /var/log and search for "Using config file" |
| 02:19.09 | dvs | TraceGreen: That is an ALSA module so yes. |
| 02:19.20 | po0k | is there a package that can make .ifo files? |
| 02:19.37 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: how would I remove xfree, and install xorg? |
| 02:19.55 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, just install xserver-xorg and it will replace xfree |
| 02:19.57 | po0k | ive encoded an .avi file to .vob and when i try to burn it, it asks me that i need .ifo files of .vob |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | SwooshOnLn: which version of debian ? |
| 02:20.02 | TraceGreen | dvs, thanks, i know alsa also have some config file, If i don't have these files, just modprobe alsa module, does it mean i would use alsa? |
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| 02:20.17 | SwooshOnLn | abrotman, whichever the current release is I think, I installed a few days ago |
| 02:20.24 | Kerr | >.> damn that bastard tetris... so addictive, so bittersweet. |
| 02:20.28 | abrotman | SwooshOnLn: see /topic .. tell syou |
| 02:20.28 | TraceGreen | dvs, i also modprobe snd-pcm-oss, |
| 02:20.48 | nixuser | dude lbreakout will blow you away |
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| 02:21.01 | dvs | TraceGreen: Then ALSA should be working. If you don't hear anything, you should try to use the alsa mixer |
| 02:21.10 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, is it stable, testing or unstable? |
| 02:21.22 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: stable |
| 02:21.23 | TraceGreen | dvs, ok |
| 02:21.39 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, hmm.. i don't think there is xorg in stable yet |
| 02:21.41 | laney_ | Does anyone use qmail? |
| 02:21.46 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: maby not? |
| 02:21.52 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: im justu assuming, I havent installed yet |
| 02:21.53 | Dwonis | laney_: No, nobody uses qmail. Ever. |
| 02:21.56 | Chris22 | why doesn't the net install install nano and not vi, vi is EvIl |
| 02:22.02 | Dwonis | !tell laney_ about anyone |
| 02:22.13 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, there are some backports though.. if you really want it bad enough :) |
| 02:22.19 | dvs | Chris22: Because you didn't select vi to be installed |
| 02:22.34 | Chris22 | !tell Chris22 about anyone |
| 02:22.39 | nixuser | getting plesently drunk on heineken |
| 02:22.52 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: I though xfree was no longer in development? |
| 02:22.54 | Chris22 | dvs i just did teh bare install for vhcs XD |
| 02:23.06 | laney_ | I was running qmail from unstable before. It was removed and I can't get it to work when installing by hand. Has anyone else had to do that that can help me troubleshoot my install? |
| 02:23.25 | dvs | Chris22: That's the best thing to do. Customize after the install. |
| 02:23.47 | nixuser | prefers harps over heineken but its too spendy |
| 02:23.56 | Dwonis | laney_: "apt-get install qmail-src" ? |
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| 02:24.04 | laney_ | Dwonis: it's been removed. |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:24.13 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, i don't know about that, but you're probably right. xserver-xfree86 on testing installs xserver-xorg |
| 02:24.15 | laney_ | It's not in unfree or anywhere. |
| 02:24.20 | Chris22 | its all about vhcs does all da work 4 me, but its killing my ram :/ |
| 02:24.24 | abrotman | !info qmail-src sid |
| 02:24.25 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-39 (sid), Packaged size: 566 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman | that was hard |
| 02:24.40 | Dwonis | laney_: That must be recent. It still shows up in unstable when I do apt-cache policy qmail-src |
| 02:24.56 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: found it! I was looking for the xorg config file, however I have another question. I am trying to install a program, when running "./configure" however, it cannot find my X server, why not? |
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| 02:25.19 | Dwonis | laney_: http://packages.debian.org/qmail-src also still shows it |
| 02:25.19 | Chris22 | SwooshOnLn is any gui installed on the box? |
| 02:25.26 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, what program is that? |
| 02:25.41 | SwooshOnLn | Chris22: yeah, Im on it right now, fluxbox |
| 02:25.45 | jetscreamer | there is no mail |
| 02:25.52 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: well, its some libs i need to install "feh" |
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| 02:26.12 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, i mean isn't already in debian? |
| 02:26.17 | SwooshOnLn | but they wont install cuz they cant find my x server, although Im obviously on it |
| 02:26.17 | laney_ | Dwonis: bash$ apt-get install qmail-src (...) E: Couldn't find package qmail-src |
| 02:26.26 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, most probably you're missing -dev packages for X |
| 02:26.45 | laney_ | aptitude has more info, but basically it says it is no longer available. |
| 02:26.45 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: how do I install the dev packages? |
| 02:26.56 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: im comming from gentoo :-p |
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| 02:27.10 | elpolilla | debian sucks |
| 02:27.14 | elpolilla | im gonna install gentoo |
| 02:27.20 | dvs | see ya |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 02:27.24 | SwooshOnLn | haha |
| 02:27.27 | nixuser | elpolilla: so do you but im not complaining |
| 02:27.28 | elpolilla | :D |
| 02:27.29 | SwooshOnLn | hell be back |
| 02:27.36 | laney_ | I have it installed and working, it just won't resolve its own internal aliases, it bounces the messages with a "user does not exit" and I need them to support ezmlm. |
| 02:27.46 | elpolilla | bye awful world of debian |
| 02:27.48 | elpolilla | :P |
| 02:27.55 | nixuser | lmao |
| 02:27.58 | nixuser | lamo |
| 02:28.02 | elpolilla | hehe |
| 02:28.07 | Dwonis | (from funroll-loops.org) |
| 02:28.21 | kendrick | mm... funrool-loops. tasty cereal. |
| 02:28.25 | kendrick | (serial?) |
| 02:28.27 | Azar | SwooshOnLn: you cannot install feh? |
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| 02:28.35 | kendrick | so... wtf? :( nvidia is br0x0red!!! |
| 02:28.35 | Dwonis | !pal kendrick |
| 02:28.49 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, i'm not sure about stable.. they are packages with -dev at the end of the package name, and they are X packages. maybe someone here can help better with this |
| 02:29.10 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, first be sure what are the missing stuff that configure is looking for |
| 02:29.36 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, what is the last few lines at which it fails |
| 02:29.37 | kendrick | i discovered that the version of the driver that Xorg wanted was newer than is shipped in debian for 2.6.14 kernel, so i upgraded to 2.6.16 kernel and 2.6.16 nvidia drivers |
| 02:29.43 | Azar | kendrick: unstable is.. unstable why do you need it? |
| 02:29.54 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: i need to install imlib2 |
| 02:29.54 | kendrick | Azar - cuz i'm st00pid ;) |
| 02:29.57 | Azar | ah ok |
| 02:30.03 | dvs | Azar: It's newer ;-) |
| 02:30.10 | kendrick | cuz i want more bleeding edge shit ;) |
| 02:30.13 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: its a dep of feh, but when trying to install imlib2, ./configure doesnt find my x server |
| 02:30.16 | SwooshOnLn | and stops at: |
| 02:30.18 | Azar | dvs they all run for the "latest" and break their necks in |
| 02:30.21 | kendrick | my wife runs testing |
| 02:30.26 | kendrick | azar - yep |
| 02:30.27 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, configure of imlib? |
| 02:30.30 | dvs | Azar: yup |
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| 02:30.41 | kendrick | her laptop's backlight just died, which is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back |
| 02:30.59 | kendrick | so she's pondering going into a lot of debt to get an IBM X41, and putting Kubuntu on it |
| 02:31.03 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: yeah, it breaks at "checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no" "configure: error: ERROR: libX11 not found" |
| 02:31.03 | Azar | kendrick: I am running etch with "old" packages and works like a charm |
| 02:31.13 | SwooshOnLn | tuv: right above that is "checking for X... no" |
| 02:31.26 | kendrick | azar - i've been running unstable pretty happily for a while. and i'm sure this may resolve itself. |
| 02:31.28 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, you don't need to build imlib.. it's already in debian: apt-get install libimlib2 |
| 02:31.38 | kendrick | but, in the meantime, i figured it might be affecting other people, so i'd poke around in here. |
| 02:31.40 | dondelelcaro | SwooshOnLn: you don't have libx11-dev installed |
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| 02:31.43 | adrakoa | hi |
| 02:31.48 | Azar | kendrick: I ran unstable once, it was working nice for 2 months: then it died. |
| 02:31.50 | kendrick | between my wife's laptop's lcd being useless, and my x not working, i'm kinda stuck in console ;) |
| 02:32.15 | Azar | kendrick: console is nice too: you can play nethack |
| 02:32.25 | kendrick | heheh |
| 02:32.35 | kendrick | i can't do much tuxpaint development on a console, tho ;P |
| 02:32.40 | SwooshOnLn | dondelelcaro: ok installed! thanks! |
| 02:32.47 | tuv | SwooshOnLn, oh.. and there is libimlib2-dev and libx11-dev if you want to build something against imlib and X |
| 02:32.48 | kendrick | tho i did recently add some new translations to CVS :) |
| 02:32.55 | SwooshOnLn | however, I now need to configure truetype font |
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| 02:33.04 | SwooshOnLn | "no freefont detected" |
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| 02:33.23 | kendrick | i just couldn't check if they worked right (rendered on the screen right) until i was at home on my own box again |
| 02:33.25 | adrakoa | with "tar -cvzf" can make a tgz.. but how to include file .xxxx ??? |
| 02:33.42 | kendrick | i really need to just switch to kubuntu and live w/ whatever it gives me :^/ |
| 02:34.17 | Azar | kendrick: when you are getting tired of it, you can allways install Sarge and upgrade to Etch |
| 02:34.20 | kendrick | i no longer have time to fight fires on my one and only box. (server, dev, browsing, non-day-job-work...) |
| 02:34.25 | kendrick | azar - hehe, yeah :) |
| 02:34.41 | kendrick | etch was not bad. but the whole KDE vs Debian issue was getting annoying :) |
| 02:34.44 | dvs | kendrick: which brings us back to sarge |
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| 02:34.48 | kendrick | dvs - heh |
| 02:34.48 | Azar | kendrick: just remember: if you do not have time to fix unstable, do not use it |
| 02:34.55 | kendrick | azar - exactly :^/ |
| 02:35.13 | kendrick | i got a new job recently, and have been spendign way less time on my computer when i'm at home. so, i needs it to work. |
| 02:35.16 | gmh | hi, i installed cpudyn + acpi-cpufreq, cpufreq-powersave modules for power save, scaling frequences works, but temperature not diminish, , what can i do? |
| 02:35.30 | kendrick | of course, reinstalling or setting up a new box is even MORE work, i think, than fixing this one minor issue ;) |
| 02:35.42 | adrakoa | thx |
| 02:35.43 | Azar | kendrick: only I know how many nights I spent trying to fix and in a final I ended up reinstalling |
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| 02:35.59 | kendrick | so anyway, google is turning up useless crap (including some attorney's website?!) when i search for "nvidia register_chrdev" |
| 02:36.05 | Azar | kendrick: fixing is a minor issue when you know how to fix |
| 02:36.12 | kendrick | azar - heh ;) or have a resource |
| 02:36.14 | kendrick | *cough* irc |
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| 02:36.32 | Azar | kendrick: irc takes too much time |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | using the nvidia binary driver? |
| 02:36.37 | kendrick | azar - at least it's social ;) |
| 02:36.43 | kendrick | abrotman - yeah |
| 02:36.48 | abrotman | kendrick: tried asking #nvidia ? |
| 02:36.57 | kendrick | that's a good idea, isn't it ;) |
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| 02:37.15 | abrotman | kendrick: i'm full of them .. or so i'm told |
| 02:37.20 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 02:38.08 | Azar | I doubt they will help for nvidia on Debian unstable |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | i doubt they'll help at all ... |
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| 02:38.47 | Azar | I have timed my installations: max 45min |
| 02:38.49 | kendrick | while i have it in my ircii ^P buffer, here are the errors i see in dmesg: |
| 02:38.51 | kendrick | nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol register_chrdev |
| 02:38.53 | kendrick | nvidia: Unknown symbol register_chrdev |
| 02:39.05 | kendrick | azar - i have a shitload of stuff i like to get working |
| 02:39.14 | kendrick | which is why i need to get off my ass and just build a server |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | kendrick: what kernel ? .. cat /proc/version ? |
| 02:39.23 | kendrick | or use my wife's now-broken thinkpad... |
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| 02:39.47 | dli | what's the fs format used in initrd ? |
| 02:39.50 | kendrick | 2.6.16-1-686 (Debian 2.6.16-12) ... |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | the whole thing please |
| 02:40.28 | kendrick | *siiiigh* |
| 02:40.31 | kendrick | hang on, this is gonna take a while to type ;) |
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| 02:41.08 | flaco | there is a channel for GTK ? |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | on irc.gnome.org .. yes |
| 02:41.27 | kendrick | ... (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060422 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-2)) #2 Thu May 4 18:22:23 UTC 2006 |
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| 02:41.37 | abrotman | kendrick: gcc --version |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | or -version .. whatever it is now |
| 02:41.57 | kendrick | .. it matches the /proc/version output |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | sorry to have you type that all out |
| 02:42.32 | kendrick | np |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | kendrick: have you tried the nv driver? |
| 02:43.03 | kendrick | i think i did and i believe X told me it could not find it |
| 02:43.16 | kendrick | i notice now that my /etc/apt/sources.list lists a people.debian.org url for the nvidia driver |
| 02:43.49 | kendrick | i'm beginnign to really regret getting this goddamned video card |
| 02:44.57 | kendrick | still accepting gifts ;) |
| 02:44.58 | GyrosGeier | hm |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | though .. i wish they'd be more open about their wifi |
| 02:45.17 | abrotman | !beer kendrick |
| 02:45.22 | kendrick | so, no ideas eh? |
| 02:45.24 | kendrick | heh... |
| 02:45.35 | GyrosGeier | an ext2 filesystem will not "leak" behind the space it was initially formatted with unless explicitly resized, right? |
| 02:45.36 | Azar | !unstable |
| 02:45.36 | abrotman | !prize kendrick |
| 02:45.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
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| 02:46.11 | abrotman | it's an opinion |
| 02:46.15 | abrotman | many people do like it |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | of course .. yuengling is nectar of the gods! |
| 02:46.31 | GyrosGeier | well |
| 02:46.36 | dvs | Would you like me to put Spaten in your glass? |
| 02:46.43 | kendrick | hehe |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | dvs: you spit in my glass ... i kick your butt! |
| 02:47.06 | GyrosGeier | in Munich, we drink it because 90% of the bars belong to them, and they force their beer on people thus |
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| 02:47.27 | kendrick | dwonis - heh |
| 02:47.27 | dvs | ahahahaha |
| 02:47.33 | CaT[tm] | is there a bundled gd package for debians php or will I have to use dotdebs one? |
| 02:47.42 | GyrosGeier | argh |
| 02:48.01 | GyrosGeier | you should remount your root fs readonly before dding it to another partition |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: apt-cache search php4 gd |
| 02:48.23 | Azar | abrotman, so I am running etch but still using modconf, I do not see any difference |
| 02:48.23 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: apt-cache ... what abrotman said |
| 02:48.30 | CaT[tm] | that gets me the nonbundled one. :/ |
| 02:48.34 | GyrosGeier | OTOH it seems to have worked fine |
| 02:48.38 | abrotman | Azar: that wasn't what i meant :) |
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| 02:48.57 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: eh ? .. what are you talking about? |
| 02:49.03 | Azar | abrotman: I burn with curiosity to see what is changed/new in etch.. so far all looks the same |
| 02:49.20 | CaT[tm] | abrot: there's a bundled gd php extention and a nonbundled one. the bundled one has greater functionality |
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| 02:49.29 | abrotman | Azar: it's all a trick |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: afaik .. there is php4-gd |
| 02:49.46 | Azar | :) ok I live like a donkey I will die like one |
| 02:49.51 | CaT[tm] | abrot: that's the nonbundled one |
| 02:50.07 | dvs | Azar: They give etch a new name so they can make more money. ;-) |
| 02:50.09 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: what do you mean, "bundled" vs. "nonbundled" |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: it's a module |
| 02:50.13 | Azar | hahaha |
| 02:50.24 | nixuser | Azar: etch is CIA spyware |
| 02:50.31 | Azar | hehehe |
| 02:50.39 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: there's a gd extention that comes with php. a fork basically. |
| 02:51.03 | dvs | gd = god damn? |
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| 02:51.25 | Dwonis | dvs: apt-get source php4-gd loads the php4 sources... |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | !info libgd2 sarge |
| 02:51.31 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: apt-get source php4-gd loads the php4 sources... |
| 02:51.31 | dpkg | libgd2: (GD Graphics Library version 2), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 2.0.33-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
| 02:51.33 | Azar | guess what, the windows PC died.. I think it got a case of Debian linux envy |
| 02:51.38 | Dwonis | dvs: ignore that last message |
| 02:51.45 | dvs | huh? |
| 02:51.54 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 02:52.26 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: php4-gd and php4-gd2 are both built from the php sources. You're on crack. ;) |
| 02:54.14 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: then why is it that functions labled bundled gd only do not function with the php4 gd debs from debian? please leave references to drug taking aside. that's for after work. |
| 02:54.40 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: It still Sunday where I am. :) |
| 02:54.46 | splattnik | why cant i reach ftp.debian.org ? |
| 02:54.49 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: Perhaps they're php5 only? |
| 02:54.49 | kendrick | google groups tells me that module-assistant may be of assistance ;) |
| 02:55.01 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: they are not. |
| 02:55.04 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: Do you have the URL of this documentation you're asking about? |
| 02:55.19 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: http://de.php.net/manual/en/function.imageantialias.php |
| 02:57.00 | kendrick | whee! ok, so X works again |
| 02:57.05 | kendrick | i still cannot log into KDE tho :( |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | kde sucks .. use gnome |
| 02:57.16 | kendrick | !!! |
| 02:57.16 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 02:57.30 | CaT[tm] | kde and gnome suck. use a hobbit. |
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| 02:59.15 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: hmm... ok, I think you're right about it using the shared versions of the gd library... |
| 02:59.42 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: yeah. it be sucking. the maintainr doesn't want to use the bundled one either. |
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| 02:59.52 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: You could always use apt-src to put the sources in some directory, edit debian/rules to change "--with-gd=shared,/usr" to "--with-gd", and rebuild and install the package |
| 03:00.24 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: that's what I'm looking at right now. wondering which is the worse devil though. maintaining that or using dotdeb :) |
| 03:00.55 | Dwonis | CaT[tm]: Well, I have no idea about dotdeb. I haven't even heard of it until you mentioned it. |
| 03:00.59 | Fateback | may I ask a noob-question? |
| 03:01.39 | Dwonis | Fateback: yes, but you may not ask to ask a noob-question. |
| 03:01.45 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: it's useful if you need updated bits. |
| 03:02.10 | jetscreamer | yay i compiled something besides a kernel |
| 03:02.22 | jetscreamer | !tell Fateback -about ask |
| 03:02.27 | jetscreamer | !tell Fateback -about smart questions |
| 03:02.29 | kendrick | stupid question. which package runs the font server that's normally on port 7100? |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | xfs |
| 03:02.45 | kendrick | thx |
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| 03:03.24 | kendrick | heh |
| 03:03.30 | kendrick | i searched font, server and ttf, and looked all up and down :) |
| 03:03.58 | Dwonis | kendrick: "aptitude search font server | wc -l" returns 476 |
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| 03:04.23 | jetscreamer | Fateback: just ask |
| 03:04.31 | jetscreamer | prepare to be larted |
| 03:04.37 | kendrick | i dont' see it between "xfonts" and "xpilot" *shrug* |
| 03:04.50 | kendrick | so shiiit |
| 03:05.09 | jetscreamer | !font server |
| 03:05.14 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 03:05.42 | Dwonis | !font server |
| 03:05.42 | dpkg | i heard font server is xfs |
| 03:05.52 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:05.52 | kendrick | heh |
| 03:05.54 | jetscreamer | !xfs |
| 03:05.55 | dpkg | [xfs] the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/ |
| 03:06.01 | jetscreamer | that's why no |
| 03:06.05 | jetscreamer | !xfs-xtt |
| 03:06.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xfs-xtt is 4.0.x not so known TrueType fontserver, which seems to be more stable with AA'd kde (2.1.x) and actually does transparent AA. If your KDE crashes or slows down application startup, try this instead of xfstt/xfs/raw font directory lines |
| 03:06.38 | Dwonis | !font server |
| 03:06.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, font server is <xfs> or <xfs-xtt> or something you probably don't need anymore |
| 03:07.05 | GyrosGeier | argh |
| 03:07.14 | GyrosGeier | checking quotas takes long |
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| 03:07.35 | GyrosGeier | checking quotas on the user home partition takes longer |
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| 03:07.42 | kendrick | ah-HAH! |
| 03:07.52 | Chris22 | how do i delete an admin? |
| 03:08.05 | GyrosGeier | checking quotas on an encrypted user home partition just sucks |
| 03:08.08 | kendrick | which is why i could not 'startx' or log in to any account via kdm! |
| 03:08.10 | Chris22 | err wrong room |
| 03:08.18 | jetscreamer | Chris22: just userdel .. nm |
| 03:08.57 | kendrick | *whew* |
| 03:09.03 | kendrick | ok, i'm fixed. thx for the encouragement. ;) |
| 03:09.15 | CaT[tm] | ok. the antialiasing doesn't mean wubblies. I'll keep the debian gd for now. |
| 03:09.28 | Fateback | problem: i've got 3gb of memory installed, shows up in bios, only 884.2 mb shows up in debian (kernel 2.4.27-2-386) - using system manager, I've looked around and found no similar cases but I'm new (shrug) |
| 03:09.59 | Dwonis | Fateback: oh, you need a kernel with highmem support |
| 03:09.59 | GyrosGeier | Dwonis, then /var would belong to an nonexistent user |
| 03:10.10 | Dwonis | GyrosGeier: I suspect /var would be deleted |
| 03:10.28 | jetscreamer | Fateback: try a 2.6 |
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| 03:11.04 | Fateback | ok thanks |
| 03:11.08 | scd | hi |
| 03:11.12 | jetscreamer | Fateback: i forgot all i knew about 2.4, maybe you can get one to work but i don't know |
| 03:11.49 | jetscreamer | get a -6868 or a -k7 kernel though Fateback |
| 03:12.05 | jetscreamer | err -686... if you have a proc for them |
| 03:12.44 | Dwonis | Fateback: Note that if you're upgrading to 2.6, you'll need some other packages |
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| 03:13.11 | scd | is it possible to install x-window-system, fluxbox, etc in a second hard disk? if so, anybody knows a URL describing the process? |
| 03:17.39 | Azar | a heads-up to those who "think" that the "latest" kernel is better : http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39267255,00.htm |
| 03:17.48 | Azar | quicky jobs gives you quicky bugs |
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| 03:20.28 | xto | how many can create pthread in debian system? |
| 03:21.16 | jetscreamer | smp kernel? |
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| 03:21.35 | xto | only 254?why? |
| 03:21.56 | troy | hello |
| 03:22.18 | Dwonis | !greet troy |
| 03:22.19 | dpkg | Wassup, troy |
| 03:22.22 | xto | no,common kernel |
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| 03:22.35 | CaT[tm] | random: their desire for money overwhelsm any desire they may have to be ethical? |
| 03:23.11 | troy | so what do u guys really do in this room |
| 03:23.41 | Dwonis | Azar: totally predictable ever since Linus dropped the "stable" fork of Linux |
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| 03:24.26 | swooshonln | how do you install xorg? I heard Its included in the test version of xwindows-xfree86, is that correct? if so, how do I get the testing version, or the one that installs xorg? |
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| 03:24.41 | Azar | Dwonis: I have no idea why Linus and other kernel maintainers tend to join the corporate fray.... faster faster releases, less less checkup |
| 03:24.59 | CaT[tm] | azar: he didn't |
| 03:25.08 | xto | list |
| 03:25.19 | CaT[tm] | azar: it's easier on the maintainers this way |
| 03:25.46 | Azar | CaT[tm]: whomever, it is ridiculous to produce a kernel every 4-5 months, it screams: not-ready-yet-but-hey-we-did-it |
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| 03:26.09 | CaT[tm] | azar: that's why you stick to the stable releases. |
| 03:26.14 | Azar | buggy kernels on buggy drivers |
| 03:26.19 | gravity | swooshonln: /topic |
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| 03:26.45 | Azar | CaT[tm]: that's why I don't give a dime when someone tells me my version of Debian or my kernel version is "old" |
| 03:27.21 | Azar | 2.6.8 kernel in debian is not even one year old |
| 03:27.27 | CaT[tm] | azar: well, it is. 2.6.8 was the first 2.6 version with a subrelease and it's what eventually spawned the stable branch I believe. |
| 03:28.02 | Azar | CaT[tm]: right and until august 2006 is still under a year old and is still the most stable |
| 03:28.32 | swooshonln | gravity: does that mean read the FAQs? or what? can u be a lil more specific theres alot of stuff in the topic |
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| 03:28.51 | CaT[tm] | azar: That's probably because a lot of work went into backporting bugfixes into it. |
| 03:29.07 | CaT[tm] | azar: You're not actyually running vanilla 2.6.8 |
| 03:29.07 | GyrosGeier | w00t |
| 03:29.13 | GyrosGeier | crypto-root is working |
| 03:29.26 | GyrosGeier | paranoia++ |
| 03:29.27 | Azar | CaT[tm]: no I am running the debianized kernel |
| 03:29.35 | ogre | !tell ogre about xserver |
| 03:29.41 | ogre | humph |
| 03:29.43 | CaT[tm] | azar: yup. which has fixes already present in 2.6.9+. |
| 03:29.45 | ogre | !tell ogre about x |
| 03:29.50 | gravity | swooshonln: Dude... read the part about xorg |
| 03:29.58 | CaT[tm] | azar: or at least a subset of them :) |
| 03:30.06 | Azar | yep, nice |
| 03:30.30 | swooshonln | gravity: i am now, my bad |
| 03:30.35 | CaT[tm] | azar: as for me I'm running 2.6.15.7 - solid as a rock. |
| 03:30.36 | Azar | I guess I will still stick with lilo, xfree86 and stable kernels |
| 03:30.50 | CaT[tm] | food |
| 03:30.51 | ogre | what's the command to get the bot to tell me about xserver? |
| 03:31.09 | Azar | swooshonln: you do not look like a Debian user, what distro are you running? |
| 03:31.40 | gravity | swooshonln: No problem |
| 03:32.06 | swooshonln | Azar, im trying to swich from gentoo |
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| 03:32.17 | Azar | swooshonln: ah I see |
| 03:32.38 | superduper | I have two network cards. eth0 and eth1. eth1 is wifi. it works but after restarting I have to force it to get an ip by 'dhclient eth1'. Is there a setting or something that I'm missing for eth1? |
| 03:32.55 | GyrosGeier | superduper, man interfaces |
| 03:33.04 | GyrosGeier | superduper, aka /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:33.54 | superduper | GyrosGeier: that will not work for me. I have wpa2 script starting wifi at the very end, even after dhcp quieries. Besides, I don't use wifi that much and I don't like it when it 'hangs' for 3 min at the boot time trying to get an IP. |
| 03:34.11 | superduper | GyrosGeier: isn't there a better way? |
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| 03:34.37 | GyrosGeier | superduper, you can add it as a "hotplug" interface |
| 03:34.51 | gravity | Isn't hotplug dead? |
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| 03:35.15 | GyrosGeier | gravity, but its legacy lives on |
| 03:35.42 | gravity | True |
| 03:36.01 | GyrosGeier | sleep... |
| 03:36.11 | superduper | GyrosGeier: thanks for your help. |
| 03:36.14 | gravity | GyrosGeier: Good to see you in here, btw. I'm not sure I've ever seen you in this chan :-) |
| 03:37.01 | GyrosGeier | gravity, usually I come just when I need help, as I'm IRCing from work, and the amount of distraction is already high enough as it is |
| 03:37.08 | gravity | GyrosGeier: I understand |
| 03:37.18 | gravity | Anyway, goodnight! |
| 03:37.22 | GyrosGeier | gravity, I tend to stay when I've joined though |
| 03:37.25 | superduper | I need a cool theme for Firefox. Any ides? |
| 03:40.02 | Dwonis | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/beatkid4.jpg |
| 03:40.18 | Dwonis | and, interestingly, http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=6169 |
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| 03:45.49 | po0k | how do you install xorg7 on sarge? |
| 03:46.43 | Dwonis | !xorg7 sarge |
| 03:46.52 | Dwonis | po0k: oh, you don't |
| 03:47.09 | Dwonis | po0k: xorg7 is nowhere near ready for being installed on a stable system, I think |
| 03:47.10 | stoned | !xorg sarge |
| 03:47.10 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 03:47.21 | stoned | i dunno about 7 though |
| 03:47.22 | gravity | No way you'll get xorg7 |
| 03:47.30 | gravity | 6.9 is functionally equivalent to 7 in most ways though |
| 03:47.39 | gravity | If you want to backport 7 to sarge... good luck dude |
| 03:47.47 | gravity | It's do-able, but... yeah. I don't recommend it. |
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| 03:49.12 | Dwonis | po0k: gravity is one of the xorg maintainers. If he says you don't want to do it, then you really don't want to do it. |
| 03:49.31 | gravity | po0k: Do you specifically need xorg 7 for some reason? |
| 03:49.47 | po0k | not really |
| 03:49.51 | po0k | i just want it installed |
| 03:50.42 | gravity | po0k: If you don't actually need it for a specific reason, I recommend not going for it. Most of the stuff at the level of 7.0 isn't really user-visible |
| 03:50.55 | po0k | ic |
| 03:51.10 | gravity | po0k: The only difference between 6.9 (which is available also if you need it) is that the build system was changed completely. But you, as the user, probably don't care about that |
| 03:51.43 | po0k | im not even using xorg, im using xfree86 |
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| 03:52.15 | gravity | po0k: Well, if xfree86 works for you, I don't recommend changing it right now |
| 03:52.23 | gravity | po0k: Going to xorg won't really get you much at this stage |
| 03:52.47 | gravity | Except more right to harass me I guess |
| 03:52.50 | jetscreamer | this is wrung: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 03:53.00 | jsan | my friends, how package i need to install to user java ???? |
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| 03:53.10 | jetscreamer | heh oh it's you |
| 03:53.17 | jetscreamer | what timing :) |
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| 03:53.30 | gravity | oh boy |
| 03:53.34 | od- | anyone install phpbb from apt before seems when i go to it locally it says Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later. and people on phpbb wont help cuz they do know about apt |
| 03:53.48 | gravity | jetscreamer: Yeah... I know about that bug, but I haven't analyzed it yet because it doesn't really have any consequence so far... |
| 03:54.00 | stoned | !install java |
| 03:54.00 | dpkg | somebody said install java was First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 03:54.04 | jetscreamer | gravity: works for me |
| 03:54.25 | gravity | Luckily, anyone who wants to look at it can trivially do so because building the xserver-xorg package is fast and easy |
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| 03:54.34 | me | how can I mount /dos (not /mnt/dos) automagically? |
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| 03:55.04 | gravity | (note that this isn't nearly so fast for xorg-server) |
| 03:55.15 | po0k | ic |
| 03:55.16 | jsan | stoned , waths is command ? |
| 03:55.22 | stoned | me, like anything else I suppose, what are you trying to do? |
| 03:55.33 | stoned | jsan, /msg dpkg java package |
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| 03:55.47 | stoned | jsan, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 03:55.49 | stoned | sorry |
| 03:55.55 | me | stoned: I'm trying to have rw access to a FAT32 partition when I login. |
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| 03:56.06 | jsubl2 | me man fstab |
| 03:56.07 | stoned | me, /etc/fstab |
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| 03:56.31 | ogre | which xserver do I need to install if i'm going to install gnome-core? |
| 03:56.38 | me | stoned: I have it in fstab but it refuses to mount as /dos (it works in /mnt/dos) |
| 03:56.44 | gravity | ogre: What debian suite? Sarge? |
| 03:56.47 | stoned | me, what is the mount point? |
| 03:56.52 | ogre | Sid |
| 03:56.59 | gravity | ogre: Just install 'xorg' |
| 03:57.02 | me | stoned: /dev/hda4 |
| 03:57.03 | ogre | k |
| 03:57.10 | jsan | stoned sorry i didnt understand |
| 03:57.25 | stoned | me, you dos partition will be, so ok, its /dev/hda4, then mount /dev/hda4 to /dos, so as root, mkdir /dos |
| 03:57.29 | stoned | then mount it there |
| 03:57.39 | intx | between the various different security modules/patches (pax, grsecurity, rsbac, openwall, SELinux), which one has the best support in debian? |
| 03:57.56 | stoned | !tell jsan about java-package |
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| 03:58.07 | me | stoned: ahhh... gheee. I just realized that my fstab is ok, but I didn't create a dir for it. no wonder it didn't work. LOL |
| 03:58.17 | gary_ | does the nvidia driver work in sid yet? |
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| 03:58.18 | Dwonis | is grsecurity maintained by Steve Gibson? |
| 03:58.32 | stoned | gary, yes, I am using it right now |
| 03:58.42 | vin` | gravity: any luck with xserver-xair? if you need to test, I'm game. |
| 03:58.43 | stoned | s/gary/gary_ |
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| 03:59.06 | gary_ | ok that's good :) |
| 03:59.08 | bengrubb | hey whats the command for seeing what processes you are running |
| 03:59.15 | stoned | bengrubb, man ps |
| 03:59.19 | gravity | vin`: I haven't had a chance yet... we're polishing off the last of the *major* packaging bugs. I'm going to put 7.1 RC2 including AIGLX in to experimental once things are done on the packaging side |
| 03:59.30 | ogre | bengrubb top |
| 03:59.34 | vin` | gravity: cool. |
| 03:59.43 | stoned | bengrubb, ps x, usually, but you can cuztomize the output and use diff. switches, just read the man page for ps |
| 03:59.43 | me | What is the name of app that can fine tune hard disk? |
| 03:59.57 | stoned | me, fine tune? |
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| 04:00.20 | bengrubb | ok so typing: top or x ? |
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| 04:00.42 | stoned | bengrubb, top, htop, ps are 3 tools used to show processes |
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| 04:00.44 | me | stoned: yes, i think its hdparm |
| 04:00.49 | bengrubb | ok cool ta |
| 04:00.53 | jshriver | Anyone know of any 3d games for linux preferably RPG? |
| 04:01.04 | jshriver | and free ^_^ |
| 04:01.16 | stoned | jshriver, http://happy-penguin.org |
| 04:01.24 | me | how can you check if your video card supports 3d? |
| 04:01.42 | gravity | me: glxinfo | grep Direct |
| 04:01.51 | jshriver | happy-penguin.org doenst exist |
| 04:02.00 | stoned | jshriver, google for happy penguin then |
| 04:02.03 | gary_ | well i like bzflag for a game |
| 04:02.19 | gary_ | good 3d |
| 04:02.30 | stoned | I like Morrowind |
| 04:02.36 | me | gravity: I get nothing. How do I make sure that 3D enabled? I have ATI radeon modules compiled. |
| 04:02.55 | Dwonis | jshriver: "apt-cache rdepends xlibmesa-gl | less" will give you a list of packages that depend on the GL libraries |
| 04:03.03 | stoned | me, you can just look up your card's specs on google |
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| 04:03.20 | stoned | me, use lspci -X to get the model # etc. |
| 04:03.20 | me | stoned: it supports 3D, I just have to enable it somehow. |
| 04:03.31 | gravity | me: Sorry, use lower-case 'd' in direct |
| 04:03.37 | jshriver | Dwonis, thanks |
| 04:03.38 | Dwonis | me: tuxracer or planetpenguin-racer. If it's non-slow, then 3D acceleration is working |
| 04:03.48 | stoned | <me> how can you check if your video card supports 3d? <-- just going by what you said |
| 04:03.52 | me | gravity: LOL. ok. I got it. |
| 04:03.56 | jshriver | aye 3d works nicely using the nvidia drivers and my 5200fX |
| 04:04.00 | jshriver | I'm happy :) |
| 04:04.06 | __dante__ | http://monstersgame.it/?ac=vid&vid=16019407 |
| 04:04.12 | stoned | jshriver, 5200fx is a crappy card, not meant for gaming |
| 04:04.43 | simonrvn | aho |
| 04:04.54 | stoned | aho = yes in punjabi |
| 04:04.56 | stoned | :) |
| 04:04.59 | jshriver | stoned, well I'm happy with it.. lol a lot better than my old Geforce 2 MX |
| 04:05.10 | stoned | jshriver, I have one of those too lol |
| 04:05.19 | jshriver | but that one was on my Mac OS X box |
| 04:05.41 | Dwonis | simonrvn: please move along to #debian-punjabi |
| 04:05.47 | stoned | lol |
| 04:05.49 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:08.05 | bucky | !tell bipolar_ZZZ about away |
| 04:08.21 | me | I had a 4GB tar.gz backup that somehow failed a CRC and is no good. Is is a better way to backup files than just to cp and tar? |
| 04:08.34 | od- | anyone install phpbb? |
| 04:08.36 | simonrvn | that wasn't an away message, that was a nick change |
| 04:08.43 | Dwonis | me: rsync |
| 04:08.50 | bucky | !tell bipolar_ZZZ about idle |
| 04:08.55 | bipolar_ZZZ | bucky: um.. I'm not marked away. I just changed my nick. |
| 04:09.09 | simonrvn | !tell bucky about abusing the bot |
| 04:09.14 | me | Dwonis: how is rsync different from cp? |
| 04:09.18 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 04:09.31 | jshriver | any of you played sear or worldforge.com? |
| 04:09.31 | bipolar_ZZZ | jeez |
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| 04:09.40 | bucky | !fuck bipolar_ZZZ |
| 04:09.53 | bipolar_ZZZ | bucky: not in your wildest dreams. |
| 04:09.57 | __dante__ | http://monstersgame.it/?ac=vid&vid=16019407 |
| 04:10.01 | Dwonis | me: it'll only copy what changed... and it doesn't have a convenient -a option (well it does, but it's not the same as cp's) |
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| 04:10.17 | Dwonis | me: also, if you're doing a remote backup, then it's _vastly_ better |
| 04:10.19 | me | Dwonis: does it compress the files? |
| 04:10.35 | Dwonis | me: no... what does your backup system look like? |
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| 04:10.48 | me | Dwonis: It's just a local partition |
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| 04:11.49 | Dwonis | me: I tend to use 'rsync -v --progress -aSH -x --numeric-ids --delete-after / "$destdir"' to copy files to a USB hard drive. It's also quicker if I'm overwriting an old backup, because it only copies what changed |
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| 04:12.05 | me | cool. |
| 04:12.13 | bucky | !tell bipolar_ZZZ about ubuntu |
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| 04:12.56 | gravity | bucky: Quit it |
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| 04:13.31 | bucky | !seen mwilson |
| 04:13.32 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 202d 7h 7m 8s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 04:13.33 | BeLinux | mwilson (i=dj9q8nxy@ip68-8-227-205.sd.sd.cox.net) was last seen joining #Bash 4 hours, 13 minutes ago. mwilson is still on #Bash. |
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| 04:14.02 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 04:15.25 | gravity | bucky: You should know better |
| 04:15.56 | bucky | gravity: than to expect people in here to use debian or to expect people not to idle? |
| 04:16.23 | gravity | bucky: Than to add a bot to the channel especially when it's using the exact same trigger as another bot |
| 04:16.43 | bucky | that wasn't me sherlock |
| 04:16.49 | gravity | bucky: Also, it's a wee bit hypocritical to get mad at someone for changing their nick when they go away, and then turn around and add another bot to flood the channel uselessly |
| 04:17.11 | gravity | Just triggering it for fun then? |
| 04:17.20 | gravity | Either way, quit harassing people |
| 04:17.23 | bucky | whois 208.98.25.250 ? |
| 04:17.35 | bucky | it's an illegal bot afaik |
| 04:17.42 | gravity | Ok, well it's +q'ed now |
| 04:17.49 | gravity | Sorry to blame you incorrectly then |
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| 04:18.28 | bucky | SHARKTECH INTERNET SERVICES |
| 04:18.31 | bucky | Missoula MT |
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| 04:20.23 | simonrvn | yay, nfsv4 |
| 04:20.59 | Dwonis | simonrvn: eh? is it in official Debian now? |
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| 04:21.18 | simonrvn | changelog is a bit cryptic, but |
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| 04:21.51 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.32 | simonrvn | it's been alternating on, then off, then on again, then some new patch, so i'm a bit lost |
| 04:25.57 | simonrvn | easiest way is to do man mount; /nfs then look for v4 |
| 04:26.35 | Dwonis | simonrvn: that's not the easiest way for me, I have an unofficial sources.list entry that gives me nfsv4 :) |
| 04:26.51 | simonrvn | ncpfs, nfs, nfs4, ntfs, proc, q |
| 04:26.58 | simonrvn | looks official to me |
| 04:27.48 | simonrvn | yay |
| 04:28.37 | simonrvn | the DD whjo packaged it wrote a nice little README for v4 config info |
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| 04:29.08 | john | Is there a way to uninstall everything that was installed along with a newly installed package? |
| 04:29.24 | simonrvn | use aptitude on it |
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| 04:32.47 | Dwonis | simonrvn: what version of mount do you have installed? |
| 04:33.01 | simonrvn | the new one that just came in, -9 |
| 04:33.10 | Dwonis | simonrvn: ah, that explains it |
| 04:33.25 | simonrvn | 2.12r-9 |
| 04:33.29 | Dwonis | p.d.o doesn't even show it |
| 04:33.55 | Dwonis | !info mount |
| 04:34.02 | dpkg | mount: (Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems), section admin, is required. Version: 2.12r-8 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 312 kB |
| 04:34.12 | simonrvn | not updated yet |
| 04:34.34 | Dwonis | heh |
| 04:34.42 | simonrvn | i can't remember if the bots have a force update trigger |
| 04:34.50 | simonrvn | yeh, rm |
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| 04:41.16 | f00li5h | ramdisk_size is that in bytes? (when in the kernel line of an entry on grub's menu.lst) |
| 04:42.21 | jetscreamer | 1024 for a meg and so forth |
| 04:42.26 | Dwonis | simonrvn: well, the client-side works... |
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| 04:42.52 | f00li5h | the ramdisk loader got cranky at me when i justmade something up... so i'm going to have to change it |
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| 04:43.34 | f00li5h | (and i kinda gott a get this install going, since i ruined my ubuntu install to stick all the important stuff on /home) |
| 04:43.59 | Dwonis | wow, I thought REM was a bad comment character. For /etc/apt/preferences, it's "Explanation: " |
| 04:44.04 | jetscreamer | you should always break ubuntu |
| 04:44.27 | f00li5h | jetscreamer: that's what i figured. |
| 04:44.40 | Dwonis | jetscreamer: what else could you do with it? |
| 04:44.42 | f00li5h | nothing as perminant as a temp solution |
| 04:44.51 | jetscreamer | i dunno, never ran it |
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| 04:45.05 | f00li5h | Dwonis: well, not use the mouse/video on a dell c600, that's for sure |
| 04:45.05 | jetscreamer | i did get their live dvd to work once |
| 04:45.14 | jetscreamer | even though it was broken |
| 04:45.18 | Dwonis | !mouse |
| 04:45.19 | dpkg | methinks mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG, or http://www.experiencescompany.com/SentImages/Bless%20This%20Mouse.jpg |
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| 04:46.01 | f00li5h | Dwonis: no, no, i'm not nearly that far along, i'm still booting the installer, you can patronise me with that later in the week |
| 04:46.33 | simonrvn | @info mount |
| 04:46.39 | ravenbird | mount: (Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems), section admin, is required. Version: 2.12r-9 (sid), Packaged size: 153 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 04:47.04 | simonrvn | i fixed the debian package listing in my bot :) |
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| 04:47.10 | Dwonis | heh. |
| 04:47.23 | simonrvn | also shows the new one (fresher update) |
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| 04:47.49 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 04:47.56 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 04:47.57 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
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| 04:48.57 | f00li5h | multiplayer tetris?! must finish install |
| 04:49.32 | simonrvn | Dwonis: blootbot ;) |
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| 04:49.50 | Dwonis | simonrvn: it doesn't listen to "literal" |
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| 04:50.06 | simonrvn | yes it does. try it again |
| 04:50.11 | simonrvn | @literal blootbot |
| 04:50.12 | ravenbird | "blootbot" is "a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Archive is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/blootbot/. See blootbot debs now in debian" |
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| 04:50.23 | Dwonis | simonrvn: yeah, I guess it only asks me mean questions when it doesn't have an entry on something, I guess |
| 04:50.32 | simonrvn | yeh ;) |
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| 04:50.53 | Dwonis | I was using "literal mhallsmite" instead of "literal cmd: mhallsmite (.*?)" |
| 04:51.01 | Dwonis | but you probably know that, if you're bored and you're looking at the logs |
| 04:51.18 | simonrvn | aah |
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| 04:52.02 | Dwonis | I have this immature obsession with mhallsmite |
| 04:52.02 | f00li5h | Ziing! debin installer |
| 04:52.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:52.20 | Dwonis | and smiting in general |
| 04:52.20 | f00li5h | if only i'd know it was that easy 6 months ago |
| 04:52.26 | f00li5h | lousy lazyness |
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| 04:52.52 | Dwonis | I should really submit a patch about that |
| 04:52.55 | simonrvn | laziness is good if it makes you do things to makes things easier |
| 04:53.33 | simonrvn | laziness is bad if you have inertia about everything, and not wanting to do anything |
| 04:53.44 | Dwonis | simonrvn; by that logic, magic_quotes_gpc was a good idea |
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| 04:54.09 | simonrvn | eh, no it wasn't |
| 04:54.27 | simonrvn | it's gotta be *logical* ;) |
| 04:55.05 | Dwonis | at least it was consistent with other PHP-isms, namely in its being brain-damaged, like most PHP things |
| 04:55.18 | simonrvn | heheh quite true |
| 04:55.41 | f00li5h | simonrvn: this is the bad kind |
| 04:56.05 | Dwonis | f00li5h: you didn't know about the debian installer? how?? |
| 04:56.12 | f00li5h | Dwonis: it's stupidly named, and a blanked bandaid solution to a developer practice based problem |
| 04:56.26 | f00li5h | Dwonis: no, i mean sticking it on the hdd, and grubing to it |
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| 04:56.48 | Dwonis | f00li5h: as opposed to what? |
| 04:56.53 | f00li5h | Dwonis: i've always done cd installs, and the cd drive hated burnt disks |
| 04:57.02 | Dwonis | f00li5h: ah... I see |
| 04:57.09 | f00li5h | and the only non burnt disk was ubuntu |
| 04:57.21 | f00li5h | (i won't ay it again in here, promise) |
| 04:57.45 | Dwonis | my first Linux install was an hd install. I downloaded Slackware onto a FAT16 partition, and used FIPS (which required that you first run defrag) to split the partition to make room |
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| 04:58.16 | f00li5h | Dwonis: when i tried that windows fdisk lied, didn't move files, and the whole windows partition was ruined |
| 04:58.22 | f00li5h | too bad, by ebye windows |
| 04:58.26 | simonrvn | my first one was a floppy based one |
| 04:58.28 | Dwonis | f00li5h: most people here have nothing against ubuntu really, this just isn't the forum for it |
| 04:58.47 | f00li5h | Dwonis: that was more the point |
| 04:58.52 | Dwonis | yeah, windows fdisk seems to crap all over the actual partition as well, rather than just changing the partition table |
| 04:59.21 | simonrvn | oh |
| 04:59.25 | simonrvn | @info quik |
| 04:59.32 | ravenbird | quik: (Bootloader for PowerMac or CHRP systems), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
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| 04:59.46 | simonrvn | won't get that with dpkg ;) |
| 04:59.57 | Dwonis | simonrvn: what arch is ravenbird running on? |
| 05:00.15 | simonrvn | ppc. it's an easy edit of the module, just change the arch |
| 05:00.44 | simonrvn | blootbot_source/src/Modules/Debian.pl |
| 05:01.52 | f00li5h | i'm a little confused, the what's the iso that i hvave to give to boot.img, vmlinux and initrd.gz? is that the installer? |
| 05:02.30 | simonrvn | boot is just that, the boot image. the initrd starts up the installer |
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| 05:03.04 | f00li5h | simonrvn: which is why i saw the installer, but it went mad when it tried to install things? |
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| 05:04.40 | Dwonis | !archsmite ravenbird |
| 05:04.44 | simonrvn | well, that's as far as i know, i haven't done an initrd based install, just the floppies and cd; the floppies you get a choice - net or cd fetching of d-i packages |
| 05:04.53 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 05:12.21 | zachhale | anyone have a good suggestion for an itunes replacement for linux? |
| 05:12.56 | shogunx | zachhale i use a shell wrapper for mpg123 |
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| 05:12.58 | kreg_dcdi | i installed the kernel image and kernel-sources for 2.6.15. works great, but what am i expected to do with a bzip in /usr/src ? |
| 05:13.19 | zachhale | i have about 70 thousand songs and i need something that will keep a library like itunes does |
| 05:13.22 | kreg_dcdi | i need to have kernel sources that "match" my running kernel for the Nvidia installer to work. |
| 05:13.23 | Agrajag- | zachhale: amarok is awesome |
| 05:13.35 | zachhale | amarok, eh? |
| 05:13.36 | f00li5h | zachhale: cplay |
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| 05:14.08 | unstable | zachhale: gtkpod |
| 05:14.10 | unstable | !gtkpod |
| 05:14.20 | kreg_dcdi | after manually bunziping and untaring the source files, i had to manually make a symlink for the sources so that path would be easily found by the Nvidia installer. however the Nvidia installer is saying it can't find the right /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 05:14.58 | bronaugh | I've got a problem... debian system. I'm trying to set up a printer using cups (HP Laserjet 2100). It's using the hpijs driver (what the hell happened to pxlmono, guys) and the test page fails to printe properly. |
| 05:15.05 | bronaugh | it starts out OK and then goes to hell with spew. |
| 05:15.15 | bronaugh | ie, some of the page prints right. |
| 05:15.19 | unstable | !gtkpod |
| 05:15.19 | dpkg | from memory, gtkpod is a free, open source software project hosted at Sourceforge and published under the GNU General Public License. It provides a graphical user interface that enables users of Linux and other Unix operating systems to transfer audio files onto their iPod, iPod nano, iPod shuffle, iPod photo or iPod mini music players. Although it does not support the same advanced media/jukebox capabilities that iTunes has, gtkpod is, in essence, an ... |
| 05:15.48 | Agrajag- | unstable: that's not what zachhale is after |
| 05:16.05 | bronaugh | parport is in ECP mode, if that makes any diff. |
| 05:16.23 | zachhale | agrajag- will amarok organize files like itunes does? |
| 05:16.31 | zachhale | or will i have to place directories on my own? |
| 05:16.41 | Agrajag- | zachhale: amarok does it better than itunes :) |
| 05:16.44 | bronaugh | -could- using ECP cause a total balls-up like this? |
| 05:16.47 | zachhale | hmm okay |
| 05:16.55 | zachhale | i just apt'ed it |
| 05:16.58 | zachhale | gonna check it out now |
| 05:17.13 | f00li5h | Dwonis: waiting, i should imagine |
| 05:17.25 | simonrvn | more like weighting |
| 05:17.26 | cahoot | Dwonis: org is for organic |
| 05:17.38 | simonrvn | heh heh |
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| 05:18.10 | dorel__ | OH MY GOD |
| 05:18.18 | dorel__ | you have to read this http://shelleytherepublican.com/2006/04/linux-european-threat-to-our-computers.html |
| 05:18.25 | Dwonis | speaking of organic, I bought some president's choice organic maple syrup... most bland stuff I've ever tasted. I don't know whether to blame "president's choice" or "organic" |
| 05:18.30 | dorel__ | thats like the stupidest thing i've ever read, without doubt. |
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| 05:20.06 | zachhale | is there a good utility for making virtually raided drives? |
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| 05:20.43 | Dwonis | dorel__: HOLY CRAP, it's almost as bad as http://www.nra-kkk.org/ |
| 05:21.33 | Dwonis | "If you see a company using Linux, it may be that they have not paid for this software. Report them to the Business Software Alliance who have the legal authority to inspect any company's computers for illegal programs like Linux." |
| 05:22.05 | dorel__ | lol yeah |
| 05:22.12 | dorel__ | man that shelly should get shot heh |
| 05:22.20 | dorel__ | there should be a law against stupid people |
| 05:22.41 | Dwonis | indeed there should, dorel__, indeed there should... |
| 05:22.48 | f00li5h | dorel__: but the stupid people make the laws... |
| 05:22.54 | cahoot | dorel__: like Hitler had? |
| 05:22.56 | Agrajag- | dorel__: it's ok, there's a whole country for them |
| 05:23.17 | f00li5h | ofcourse it shouldn't be that hard to trick them inot passing it, as long as you said it was against tacos or something |
| 05:23.19 | simonrvn | Dwonis: i'd blame prez's choice |
| 05:23.37 | dorel__ | sheesh |
| 05:23.40 | dorel__ | thats like... bad |
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| 05:24.23 | zachhale | anyone know how difficult it is to set up dual monitors with one ATI card on debian? |
| 05:25.30 | simonrvn | that's like, insane |
| 05:25.41 | Dwonis | simonrvn: what? |
| 05:25.45 | simonrvn | (not you zachhale) |
| 05:25.53 | zachhale | okay good haha |
| 05:25.54 | simonrvn | that quote |
| 05:26.08 | zachhale | yeah, so anyone know about my question :) ? |
| 05:26.25 | simonrvn | i haven't but it seems to be pretty painless |
| 05:26.58 | dorel__ | im reading the talkback |
| 05:27.00 | Dwonis | zachhale: I don't imagine it's that difficult. I did it with a Matrox card without too much trouble. (On the other hand, ATI needs proprietary drivers, so who knows.) |
| 05:27.02 | dorel__ | its so amusing |
| 05:27.18 | simonrvn | Dwonis: only some do for the 3d accel. some don't |
| 05:27.29 | dorel__ | Most of the internet is running on linux? Don't make me laugh!!! |
| 05:27.30 | dorel__ | I used linux once. It's terrible. |
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| 05:27.34 | dorel__ | haha |
| 05:27.47 | Dwonis | simonrvn: did ATI make any dual-head cards that ran with free (3D) drivers? |
| 05:27.50 | dorel__ | guys, i have a confession to make |
| 05:27.53 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 05:27.54 | bronaugh | Dwonis: yeah |
| 05:27.55 | jetscreamer | you suck? |
| 05:27.56 | dorel__ | im using linux and its terrible |
| 05:28.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 05:28.04 | Dwonis | dorel__: damn commie! |
| 05:28.05 | dorel__ | NOT lol :) |
| 05:28.07 | jetscreamer | i was right, |
| 05:28.13 | bronaugh | Dwonis: Radeon 7000, 7200, 7500, 8500, 9000, 9100, 9250 |
| 05:28.25 | simonrvn | i have a confession to make too: |
| 05:28.36 | simonrvn | stupid people are stupid |
| 05:28.41 | Dwonis | bronaugh: I had a 7200, and it wasn't dual-head (well, it was a 7200SE... maybe that's what the "SE" means) |
| 05:28.42 | jetscreamer | make: target not found |
| 05:28.45 | bronaugh | Dwonis: and if you're willing to live on the bleeding edge, r300.sf.net is now integrated into X stuff and supports the newer bits. |
| 05:28.59 | bronaugh | Dwonis: SE generally translates as "crap" in ATI-speak. |
| 05:29.12 | simonrvn | yeh, in any-speak in fact |
| 05:29.26 | zachhale | i have an 8500 |
| 05:29.38 | zachhale | i have one screen running off the dvi port |
| 05:29.45 | zachhale | and one off the vga |
| 05:29.57 | simonrvn | i wish i did, it'd be better than this tnt2 ... |
| 05:29.58 | zachhale | (on windows right now) |
| 05:29.58 | Dwonis | bronaugh: r300.sf.net... is that a reverse-engineering effort? |
| 05:30.05 | shogunx | simonrvn you have taken the first step by admitting it... now you need to make positive steps to solve the problem:) |
| 05:30.12 | zachhale | simonrvn: i just bought three tnt2's for 3.00 each |
| 05:30.15 | simonrvn | shogunx: shoot them? :) |
| 05:30.25 | simonrvn | zachhale: this one was free |
| 05:30.36 | zachhale | simonrvn: oh well... *waves fist* |
| 05:30.39 | cheal | kreg_dcdi: forget about nvidia-installer. I'm sorry but my Internet connection skipped. did somebody answer you? |
| 05:30.39 | bronaugh | Dwonis: yeah. |
| 05:30.55 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:30.56 | kreg_dcdi | cheal, ya i got help in #nvidia. thank you tho |
| 05:31.02 | Dwonis | simonrvn: if you're talking about "stupid people" and that site... the site is clearly tongue-in-cheek |
| 05:31.04 | kreg_dcdi | cheal, it's wokring now. |
| 05:31.13 | bronaugh | Dwonis: they've got it playing quake3 anyhow. |
| 05:31.14 | simonrvn | Dwonis: no, just in general |
| 05:31.15 | cheal | kreg_dcdi: ok |
| 05:31.23 | kreg_dcdi | cheal, however something is overriding my vert vaules in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and has slowed my monitor clear down to 55hz |
| 05:31.51 | Dwonis | kreg_dcdi: so? get more sleep and it won't bother you as much! ;) |
| 05:31.51 | simonrvn | kreg_dcdi: hint, using a range is easier |
| 05:32.06 | cheal | kreg_dcdi: oh, I don't know. ask the channel |
| 05:32.09 | kreg_dcdi | simonrvn, i have 60-85 in there. that's the specs |
| 05:32.20 | kreg_dcdi | and yet the monitor is overriden by something and slowed clear to 55hz |
| 05:32.24 | Dwonis | kreg_dcdi: you might get better help in #xorg (or is it ##xorg?) |
| 05:32.27 | jm_ | logfile will tell you what is going on |
| 05:32.31 | simonrvn | how about the refresh? that's ranged too? |
| 05:32.43 | zachhale | what are teh differences between xorg and xfree? |
| 05:32.53 | kreg_dcdi | ya i've just used the monitor specs for Horz and Vert |
| 05:33.01 | kreg_dcdi | they are properly set in xorg.conf |
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| 05:33.18 | kreg_dcdi | worked fine with the xorg driver. some reason the nvidia driver isn't paying attention tho |
| 05:33.23 | xbmodder_lappy | deadcat, |
| 05:33.24 | xbmodder_lappy | deadcat, hey |
| 05:33.45 | kreg_dcdi | zachhale, good vs evil |
| 05:34.02 | f00li5h | xbmodder_lappy: isn't that ment to be 3 times? |
| 05:34.02 | zachhale | kreg_dcdi: why? |
| 05:34.13 | zachhale | which is good/evil? |
| 05:34.21 | kreg_dcdi | zachhale, you'll be happy with xorg |
| 05:34.23 | xbmodder_lappy | f00li5h, no... |
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| 05:34.37 | xbmodder_lappy | I gotta start planning early, where are the booth babes at linux world |
| 05:34.40 | kreg_dcdi | xfree is find too *shrug*, but the restrictions the xfree project refused happen to be in xorg |
| 05:34.44 | zachhale | is it easy to set up xorg on debian as an alternate to xfree? |
| 05:34.50 | Dwonis | xbmodder_lappy: fsf booth |
| 05:35.00 | f00li5h | xbmodder_lappy: my mistake |
| 05:35.30 | zachhale | gah! kreg! |
| 05:35.45 | f00li5h | Eclipser: i see, you can shit p it to my work address, that'd fix it |
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| 05:35.59 | f00li5h | heh, that's a fat old wrong window. |
| 05:36.28 | xbmodder_lappy | free software foundation had a really crappy booth last year |
| 05:36.40 | xbmodder_lappy | suits molesting me for money. |
| 05:37.04 | Dwonis | xbmodder_lappy: the fsf booth had suits? holy crap, I'm impressed! |
| 05:37.17 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:37.24 | shogunx | xbmodder_lappy how much did they pay you, and did you enjoy it? |
| 05:37.53 | Dwonis | zing! |
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| 05:40.44 | simonrvn | no kidding, like getting r00ted |
| 05:41.23 | f00li5h | the bugs listed on debian.dabase.com are these bugs with debian packages, or bugs with the code in debian packages? |
| 05:41.25 | bucky | my dentist checks my nuts |
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| 05:41.43 | f00li5h | bucky: i'd say that's worth legal actin.. unless she's hot |
| 05:42.11 | Dwonis | f00li5h: both? |
| 05:42.21 | Dwonis | f00li5h: ^^^ that was re: bugs, not balls |
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| 05:42.51 | f00li5h | Dwonis: i see |
| 05:43.13 | kreg_dcdi | seriously tho, how do you get the nvidia driver to obey sync ranges specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 05:43.44 | Dwonis | f00li5h: there are even bugs which are not really bugs (like any bug filed against the wnpp "package") |
| 05:43.50 | f00li5h | i'm trying to figure out where to look for something simple to submit patches for |
| 05:44.12 | f00li5h | Dwonis: tell a robot to tell me what wnpp is |
| 05:44.34 | simonrvn | @wnpp |
| 05:44.34 | ravenbird | i guess wnpp is Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 05:44.49 | kreg_dcdi | in gnome, if i go to screen resolution, it only lists 55Hz |
| 05:44.53 | simonrvn | you could have done that yourself ;) |
| 05:45.12 | kreg_dcdi | but the ranges i've put in for my monitor (the factory specs which worked with the 2d driver) are not being used obviously |
| 05:45.20 | f00li5h | thanks |
| 05:45.24 | jm_ | kreg_dcdi: like I said, go read through the logfile, then there's the option to tell it to ignore DDC data, all documented |
| 05:45.55 | kreg_dcdi | which logfile? |
| 05:46.15 | jm_ | x server logfile |
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| 05:47.46 | Dwonis | dbconfig-common... it's about time |
| 05:48.04 | simonrvn | for my/pgsql? |
| 05:48.08 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 05:50.37 | fas3r | just one question ... apache is http and https is apache-ssl |
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| 05:51.21 | simonrvn | fas3r: yes and no. you can also have apache with mod_ssl |
| 05:51.36 | metrix | what is the name of the program to find your the closest debian repository? |
| 05:51.49 | fas3r | nobosy use nocat :) ? |
| 05:52.21 | simonrvn | a web browser and your eyes and brain, visiting the www.debian.org mirrors page |
| 05:52.53 | Dwonis | simonrvn: no, there's a package... I forget what it's called |
| 05:52.58 | Dwonis | netselect-apt |
| 05:52.59 | shogunx | simonrvn, what about apt-spy? |
| 05:53.00 | metrix | simonrvn: there was a program I remember in woody called aptspy or something.. I don't remember what it's called |
| 05:53.08 | simonrvn | yeh, but those usually suck |
| 05:53.12 | metrix | apt-spy!! |
| 05:53.14 | Dwonis | but I never use it anyway, because it seems to give me mirrors that are fairly out-of-date |
| 05:53.24 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 05:53.28 | woodland | hi, i did network install for my debian. it installed kernel 2.4. now is that the kernel when you network install debian ? |
| 05:53.47 | metrix | well. as long as you have debian security listed you should be fine though |
| 05:54.01 | Dwonis | metrix: ah, for stable yes. |
| 05:54.10 | po0k | is there any way to force my monitor/gfx card to display 1152x864 / 85Hz ? |
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| 05:54.41 | po0k | right now its 1152x864 / 75Hz |
| 05:54.43 | metrix | yeah for stable.. I need to run unstable again.... |
| 05:54.50 | jm_ | woodland: you can use 2.6 as well |
| 05:55.36 | woodland | jm_, hi when i do network install can i choose kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 05:55.50 | metrix | does anyone know how the release schedule is going for testing? does it look to be like it's going to be a couple years before another stable comes out? (not that I think it's a bad thing, just curious) |
| 05:55.57 | jm_ | woodland: when you boot |
| 05:56.04 | Dwonis | woodland: when you get to the bootloader prompt (SYSLINUX or whatever it's called) you type "linux26" |
| 05:56.10 | jm_ | metrix: why not ask dpkg the bot? |
| 05:56.29 | unstable | metrix: december is when it will be released |
| 05:56.34 | woodland | jm_, ok and then i can choose the kernel, right ? |
| 05:56.50 | metrix | wow. didn't know you could ask, or I would have. |
| 05:56.52 | unstable | woodland: yes...when you see the "boot:" prompt...just type "linux26" and hit enter |
| 05:56.56 | jm_ | woodland: well you can only choose between two kernels - 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 05:56.59 | Dwonis | !tell metrix about wir |
| 05:57.00 | jm_ | metrix: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 05:57.20 | deadcat | xbmodder_lappy: who the? |
| 05:57.29 | woodland | jm_, if we dont choose anything, is 2.4 the default kernel ? |
| 05:57.37 | jm_ | woodland: yes |
| 05:57.42 | unstable | metrix: netselect-apt |
| 05:57.48 | woodland | jm_, ok |
| 05:58.01 | unstable | woodland: Why are you formatting? |
| 05:58.29 | woodland | unstable, i think i have trouble updating from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 05:58.45 | unstable | woodland: Is X working? |
| 05:58.58 | metrix | cool, thank you. |
| 05:59.23 | woodland | unstable, nope, i tried the commands you and abrotman suggested. but still some problem. |
| 05:59.36 | unstable | woodland: Are you using xorg or xfree86? |
| 05:59.46 | woodland | unstable, xfree86 |
| 06:00.08 | unstable | woodland: As root type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and then chose "vesa" as the driver and reboot again. |
| 06:00.12 | unstable | !drxx |
| 06:00.12 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 06:00.54 | woodland | unstable, but should i keep using vesa later also since i have nvidia |
| 06:01.12 | unstable | woodland: If you don't use 3d acceleration...no need to have nvidia. |
| 06:01.23 | unstable | woodland: most people don't use 3d accel |
| 06:01.27 | unstable | It depends on what you need it for. |
| 06:01.44 | unstable | woodland: I would first try to get X working...then worry about the rest. |
| 06:01.47 | woodland | unstable, ok |
| 06:02.04 | f00li5h | ok, what am i missing here? ``Faileld to load installer component. Loading libc6-udeb failed for unknown reasons.Aborting'' |
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| 06:02.30 | f00li5h | i havee all the installer bits, and i have an installer iso... do i need to mount the installer iso or something? |
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| 06:03.13 | k-man_ | for some reason i cant access the IDE system on my IBM server |
| 06:03.22 | woodland | unstable, i will then switch to vesa. one more thing. is upgrading to kernel 2.6 really difficult. i am really frustrated becasue of that. |
| 06:03.34 | unstable | woodland: no it's very very easy |
| 06:03.39 | unstable | woodland: It's two commands. |
| 06:03.46 | unstable | apt-get install kernelpackagenamehere; reboot; |
| 06:04.00 | k-man_ | http://pastebin.com/704793 has the errors i get with ide |
| 06:04.07 | unstable | woodland: If you get X working...and come back...we'll install the kernel next. |
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| 06:05.12 | woodland | unstable, i have done that before but when i boot in new kernel, for some reasons, i get disconnected from internet after few minutes or the system gets hanged. i cant figure out why |
| 06:05.30 | woodland | unstable, ok i will boot in linux now |
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| 06:10.00 | f00li5h | can somebody help me out with this install? i've no idea where to go from here, it looks for an installer iso, and doesn't find one (i'm prettu sure i put one there) |
| 06:10.16 | po0k | what do i need to get java installed? |
| 06:10.40 | jm_ | po0k: start by reading the topic |
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| 06:11.34 | rredd4 | When I type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 how and where do I configure my synaptics touchpad? I have googled, man page... cannot figure it out. Please help |
| 06:12.15 | jm_ | did you install xfree86-driver-synaptics? |
| 06:12.22 | rredd4 | yes |
| 06:12.31 | rredd4 | have the latest version |
| 06:12.32 | jm_ | and read the accompanied documentation? |
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| 06:12.40 | rredd4 | hmm |
| 06:12.42 | simonrvn | f00li5h: install guide |
| 06:12.49 | simonrvn | @install guide |
| 06:12.50 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 06:12.55 | unstable | !tell po0k about java-package |
| 06:13.24 | rredd4 | jm_ where is the docs at in my hd? |
| 06:13.48 | jm_ | rredd4: uhm, it's in $docdir/<pkgname>, like for any other package |
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| 06:14.26 | rredd4 | ok, ty, I haven't learned all the commands yet.. thanks |
| 06:14.43 | f00li5h | avarpretty |
| 06:14.44 | jm_ | that is /usr/share/doc |
| 06:15.01 | jm_ | rredd4: it fails to mention one fact -- /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 06:15.16 | rredd4 | ok |
| 06:15.37 | jm_ | so do that after editing the config file by hand |
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| 06:16.00 | rredd4 | I am going to get this touchpad working, someday! |
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| 06:18.11 | rredd4 | jm_ I am still new to debian, and linux. Not sure if I should be editing x config... although I did get my wireless card to work... |
| 06:18.50 | jm_ | rredd4: go ahead, make a backup first, then you'll be just fine, it's pretty simple and it tells you all you need to do, and oyu can always ask here if you get stuck |
| 06:18.54 | unstable | !drxx |
| 06:18.54 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 06:19.30 | rredd4 | ok, ty |
| 06:22.07 | f00li5h | so, if i have a netinst image in /boot/newinstall like the manual tells me, why would the installelr still fail to findd the components |
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| 06:22.32 | rahul | h |
| 06:22.34 | simonrvn | f00li5h: using the stable, or testing version of d-i? |
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| 06:22.56 | f00li5h | simonrvn: erm, testing |
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| 06:23.04 | simonrvn | yeh, expect bugs ... |
| 06:23.22 | simonrvn | ask in #debian-boot maybe (be gentle they might be sleeping) |
| 06:23.34 | f00li5h | simonrvn: but the installer to not start? |
| 06:23.41 | jm_ | it also prints lots of info on other consoles |
| 06:23.50 | f00li5h | that's a pretty big bug |
| 06:23.56 | simonrvn | yeh esp. vt 4 |
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| 06:24.02 | redblades | Hi, I'm trying to install Azureus, but even though the DVD I have for apt is supposed to have it, I can't find it and I was wondering also what are the usual repos? |
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| 06:24.07 | woodland | hi |
| 06:24.15 | f00li5h | i see, i didn't spot anything... but i only panned past |
| 06:24.31 | f00li5h | is the iso ment to be bootable? |
| 06:24.31 | woodland | unstable: hi i am in linux now. |
| 06:24.33 | jm_ | azureus is in regular Debian repositories |
| 06:24.35 | unstable | redblades: azureus depends on something that can't be included in debian.org mirrors |
| 06:24.43 | redblades | Java |
| 06:24.45 | jm_ | but you'll need JRE first |
| 06:24.51 | unstable | !java-package |
| 06:24.52 | dpkg | java-package is probably a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 06:25.08 | unstable | woodland: good... what version of debian are you running..and what type of cpu do you have? |
| 06:25.35 | redblades | I know, but ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian unstable non-free |
| 06:25.45 | woodland | unstable: hi i think i have sarge and i have amd athlon xp-m |
| 06:25.54 | redblades | is supposed to have Java and it doesn't seem to |
| 06:26.02 | unstable | woodland: What does cat /etc/debian_verison tell you? |
| 06:26.11 | jm_ | so read the topic and create your own Java package |
| 06:26.12 | woodland | unstable: i have the same problem even after switching to vesa. |
| 06:26.13 | unstable | woodland: Is your box a production server or a desktop? |
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| 06:26.21 | unstable | woodland: What is the problem? |
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| 06:27.24 | unstable | redblades: Making your own java package is so easy....You download the jre*bin file from http://java.sun.com then as root you apt-get install java-package; make-jpkg jre*bin; |
| 06:27.29 | woodland | unstable: i get this blue screen and after that i get thrown to text mode. it says there is problem with xdm |
| 06:27.35 | unstable | redblades: This will make a java deb file, then you just dpkg -i jre*.deb |
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| 06:27.55 | unstable | woodland: Are you able to use a gui at all? |
| 06:28.04 | woodland | unstable: nope |
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| 06:28.16 | unstable | woodland: What does cat /etc/debian_version show you? |
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| 06:28.24 | woodland | unstable: i am using irssi-text for irc now in text mode |
| 06:28.38 | redblades | whixh one? |
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| 06:28.48 | redblades | there are alot of Java packages |
| 06:28.53 | unstable | redblades: Which ever one you want. |
| 06:29.02 | unstable | redblades: jre |
| 06:29.25 | woodland | unstable: in text mode how do i open new window ? because to 'cat' i will have to quit irc for a moment |
| 06:29.44 | unstable | redblades: http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp |
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| 06:29.49 | unstable | redblades: Get the self extracting one |
| 06:29.54 | n0t_flan | woodland, Alt + F# |
| 06:30.04 | unstable | woodland: control alt f2(type control alt f1 to come back to irc) |
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| 06:30.12 | n0t_flan | Or Alt + <-|-> |
| 06:30.17 | fas3r | Nobody use nocat ? |
| 06:30.34 | unstable | !tell fas3r about anybody |
| 06:30.39 | unstable | !tell fas3r about ask |
| 06:30.42 | rredd4 | jm_ Not sure what this means: For use with kernel 2.6.x you need to enable synaptics touchpad support when configuring the kernel (CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2). You also need support for the evdev interface (CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV). |
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| 06:31.01 | woodland | unstable: its not working, i am still in irc. |
| 06:31.02 | unstable | fas3r: Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr |
| 06:31.12 | jm_ | rredd4: are you using Debian kernel? |
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| 06:31.22 | unstable | woodland: type control alt f3(all at the same time) |
| 06:31.29 | rredd4 | I have 2.6.8 686 |
| 06:31.34 | fas3r | unstable, i banned on debian-fr :s |
| 06:31.36 | rredd4 | yes |
| 06:31.39 | fas3r | sorry for all |
| 06:31.45 | jm_ | then you have that enabled, it may only be a matter of loading relevant modules |
| 06:31.53 | zachhale | anyone know what software i need to do some virtual raiding of drives? |
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| 06:32.07 | rredd4 | jm_ ok |
| 06:32.09 | fas3r | and at this time they are nobody on debian-fr |
| 06:32.21 | unstable | !tell zachhale about software raid |
| 06:32.38 | woodland | unstable: even that is also not working. i will quit and come back again and will tell you output for that cat command |
| 06:32.38 | unstable | fas3r: I'm in there now and there are 80+ people |
| 06:32.45 | rredd4 | jm_ ty, this will give me somewhere to start. have to call it a night |
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| 06:33.05 | fas3r | unstable, maybe but i kicked on dbian-fr .. |
| 06:33.06 | zachhale | unstable: i'm talking about a replacement for the dynamic mapping that i currently have in windows |
| 06:33.11 | _Ben_ | For some reason my CDROM drive refuses to eject and it is not mounted. How can I force it to eject? |
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| 06:33.39 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:33.39 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:33.40 | unstable | _Ben_: You have a hole in your cdrom..stick a paper clip in there and it will eject. |
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| 06:33.55 | woodland | unstable: hi i have debian version 3.1 |
| 06:34.12 | _Ben_ | unstable: Unfortunately the design of my case prevents easy access to it, otherwise I would've done it already. |
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| 06:34.54 | unstable | _Ben_: I'm not sure...I have that problem also....and it's always 5x faster for me..because I always have a pen in my hand. So I never figured out how to eject the cdrom |
| 06:34.54 | ireverentReveren | i have an XF86Config-4 that doesnt have a line for 640x480, but when I start X that is what is being used? any way to track down why? and get it to use a higher resolution? the machine is capible of higher... and I AM using Xfree |
| 06:35.01 | unstable | _Ben_: Some process/thread is using the cdrom |
| 06:35.04 | unstable | YOu just need to kill it. |
| 06:35.13 | unstable | _Ben_: lsof|grep -i cdrom ? |
| 06:35.15 | unstable | I'm not sure really |
| 06:35.17 | _Ben_ | unstable: Whatever it was, I think it just died- the cdrom just decided to open. |
| 06:35.22 | _Ben_ | unstable: Thanks anyway. |
| 06:35.23 | unstable | k |
| 06:35.40 | woodland | unstable: hi i have debian version 3.1 |
| 06:35.52 | unstable | woodland: What is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 06:36.17 | unstable | woodland: Why would X just stop working...what did you do... did you try to compile/install a video driver maybe? |
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| 06:36.30 | unstable | woodland: Or did you try to install X 7.0? |
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| 06:37.09 | woodland | unstable:actually i was trying shut off my pc and i did type 'poweroff' and after rebooting i have this problem |
| 06:37.53 | unstable | woodland: What did you do before you shutoff your pc...did you do _ANYTHING_ with the apt-get or dpkg commands? or make/make install commands? |
| 06:38.27 | woodland | unstable: i didn't do anything before that. |
| 06:38.54 | unstable | woodland: Do you have a cronjob setup that automatically does dist-upgrade maybe? |
| 06:39.48 | dorel__ | how do i know which fs do i have? fdisk -l doesnt show me if its ext2 or 3 |
| 06:39.55 | woodland | unstable: no, i dont have any such thing. abrotman had suggested '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' but that didnt work either |
| 06:40.18 | jm_ | dorl;mount will tell you |
| 06:40.22 | jm_ | dorel__ ^^^ |
| 06:40.25 | unstable | dorel__: You can just do e2fsck /dev/hda1 and it will auto detect it |
| 06:40.32 | dorel__ | ah ok |
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| 06:40.42 | unstable | dorel__: Or if you are trying to mount, mount will also autodetect it. |
| 06:40.45 | dorel__ | right mount does say so, thanks. |
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| 06:42.12 | unstable | !d-i |
| 06:42.12 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
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| 06:42.43 | unstable | woodland: I would go to this link ... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer click on i386 and download/burn that image and reformat. |
| 06:43.11 | woodland | unstable: ok |
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| 06:43.32 | jm_ | woodland: alternatively, looking at X logfile will tell you what is wrong |
| 06:43.44 | jm_ | or rather, reading it |
| 06:43.49 | woodland | jm_: ok |
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| 06:44.21 | unstable | !greet itguy_ |
| 06:44.21 | dpkg | Hi there, itguy_ |
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| 06:45.03 | itguy_ | okay so another day in debian?! |
| 06:45.18 | redblades | How do I completely remove KDE? is KDElibs required for Azureus? |
| 06:45.31 | unstable | redblades: no kdelibs isn't required for azureus |
| 06:45.46 | unstable | redblades: apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 06:45.48 | itguy_ | redblades: i think you can do apt-get remove |
| 06:46.23 | woodland | jm_: hi i am using irssi irc client in text mode. how do i toggle between different irc windows ? |
| 06:46.43 | unstable | woodland: control n |
| 06:46.48 | itguy_ | woodland: alt+1 or 2 or 3 |
| 06:46.52 | jm_ | woodland: irssi docs will tell you that, or maybe /help window |
| 06:46.52 | woodland | unstable: ok |
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| 06:47.36 | itguy_ | how can i setup my own email server |
| 06:49.29 | sep | itguy_, decide on what MTA you want to use. the apt-get install packagename (that match your MTA), i recomend postfix |
| 06:49.38 | sep | itguy_, debians defautl exim4 is also good. |
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| 06:50.41 | itguy_ | sep: thank you |
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| 06:51.02 | sep | itguy_, if it's a low volume server use the default in debian and just configure it how you like it with dpkg-reconfiguer exim4-config |
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| 06:52.31 | dorel__ | im getting file limit exceeded when writing a file to a samba share on linux |
| 06:52.34 | itguy_ | sep: basiclly i just need it for my self |
| 06:52.45 | dorel__ | it stops after 2gb. |
| 06:53.00 | sep | itguy_, then use the exim that's default in debian |
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| 06:56.27 | itguy_ | sep: what is MTA? |
| 06:57.10 | sep | !mta |
| 06:57.11 | dpkg | methinks mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
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| 06:58.54 | redblades | If I have mixed repos, testing unstable stable etc, will it automatically retrieve the most recent? |
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| 06:59.27 | woodland | hi |
| 06:59.39 | redblades | hi |
| 07:00.08 | itguy_ | sep: i'm using debian unstable, i did apt-get install exim4, but when i did dpkg-reconfiguer exim4.conf nothing happen, would you help me please? |
| 07:00.23 | jm_ | !drec itguy_ |
| 07:00.23 | dpkg | itguy_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 07:00.35 | redblades | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.46 | itguy_ | i did?! |
| 07:00.58 | Coweater | you will get unstable if you mix testing and unstable |
| 07:01.06 | jm_ | no you didn't |
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| 07:03.22 | itguy_ | sep: i run it as root , but i get exim4. onfig is not installed |
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| 07:03.39 | jm_ | !tell itguy_ -about installit |
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| 07:05.55 | itguy_ | jm_: i did install it with apt-get install exim4 |
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| 07:06.44 | Zugschlus | itguy_: type dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and say exactly which error message is printed |
| 07:07.09 | jm_ | itguy_: then type what dpkg told you, not some random package name |
| 07:07.36 | redblades | so, if I already had fireofx installed, but I wanted to use the most recent one from the repos, then would I "apt-get install firefox" ? |
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| 07:09.42 | itguy_ | !cache |
| 07:09.58 | zachhale | redblades: mozilla-firefox |
| 07:10.28 | Coweater | redblades: testing should already have the latest firefox version, there'd be no reason to bother with unstable for that right now |
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| 07:12.13 | dorel__ | to backup everything im runing "tar -zcpf /home/backup/backup.tar.gz --exclude=/home/backup ." but it complains "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" |
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| 07:12.40 | dorel__ | also about "file changed as we read it" but i told it to exclude that dir... |
| 07:13.29 | redblades | testing? |
| 07:13.43 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: check flood for out put |
| 07:13.47 | redblades | I had CDROMs in sources.list |
| 07:14.56 | Zugschlus | itguy_: I'm not there, paste it to a paste service |
| 07:15.13 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: like? |
| 07:15.22 | Zugschlus | like paste.debian.net, for example |
| 07:15.53 | starfishy | duh |
| 07:16.11 | starfishy | compiling the ipw2100 driver into the kernel is stupid |
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| 07:18.06 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: it's in paste.debian.net |
| 07:19.04 | Zugschlus | itguy_: which number? |
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| 07:20.32 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: i don' see any number ? huh am i doing something worg |
| 07:20.39 | itguy_ | *wrong |
| 07:21.00 | Zugschlus | most probably, yes |
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| 07:22.35 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: it's not giving me any numbers man |
| 07:23.59 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: 6477 |
| 07:24.17 | Zugschlus | ok, read my original instructions again |
| 07:24.22 | Zugschlus | and type exim4-config and not exim4.config |
| 07:24.27 | Zugschlus | cut&paste to be sure |
| 07:24.40 | Zugschlus | sheesh |
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| 07:25.16 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: huh, i feel stupid now hehehe |
| 07:25.24 | nayyares | which tool can open djvu file in KDE? |
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| 07:27.46 | tarzeau | nayyares: any djvu viewer |
| 07:28.01 | nayyares | tarzeau, can you name one? |
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| 07:30.26 | PenguinL0v3r | Hi anyone interested in kernel hacking? |
| 07:30.34 | meneg | hi, any idea why this udev rule is ignored? ACTION=="remove", SYSFS{idVendor}=="xxxx", SYSFS{idProduct}=="xxx", RUN+="/bin/something" |
| 07:30.48 | PenguinL0v3r | sincerely, I am very new in both Linux and Kernel. But I want to know how to get start to understand linux kernel. |
| 07:30.51 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks! |
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| 07:32.14 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: ok i set it up , how can i start using it |
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| 07:35.27 | Zugschlus | itguy_: eh? |
| 07:36.18 | streuner | !exim |
| 07:36.19 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 07:37.12 | itguy_ | Zugschlus: thank u |
| 07:37.30 | zachhale | anyone have experience installing xorg on debian? |
| 07:37.43 | streuner | zachhale: just ask |
| 07:37.52 | zachhale | uh, i just did? |
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| 07:38.01 | streuner | !ask |
| 07:38.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:38.04 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell zachhale about anyone |
| 07:38.08 | zachhale | ah |
| 07:38.58 | streuner | zachhale: what version of debian do you use? |
| 07:39.06 | zachhale | okay, so i have debian installed and i want to install xorg to replace xfree. does anyone know any resources for this? |
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| 07:39.11 | zachhale | i'm using the latest i assume |
| 07:39.15 | zachhale | 3.1r0a |
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| 07:39.24 | zachhale | i think that's it |
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| 07:39.31 | jm_ | xorg 6.9 is on backports |
| 07:39.33 | streuner | zachhale: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:39.38 | zachhale | 1 sec |
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| 07:40.44 | zachhale | it says 2.3.2.dsl-22sa GNU C Library: Shared Libraries and Timezone |
| 07:40.52 | atsi | hi |
| 07:41.12 | redblades | i |
| 07:41.15 | streuner | zachhale: visit backports.org and follow instructions |
| 07:41.15 | redblades | Hi |
| 07:41.21 | zachhale | okay |
| 07:41.28 | zachhale | what version am i looking for? |
| 07:41.52 | streuner | zachhale: most likely 6.9 as jm_ already mentioned |
| 07:41.55 | redblades | I just did "apt-get install firefox" and it downloaded soemthing, but firefox is still out of date |
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| 07:42.14 | chron | i'm trying to mount some filesystems as tmpfs at install, is this possible? |
| 07:42.39 | atsi | i am a bit stuck with apt-cdrom add. i dowloaded some files and its dependencies and i got them in a dvd. them i am trying to add that dvd in my sources list with apt-cdrom add command and it returns that it cannot mount this media because it appear not to be a debian. someone to help? |
| 07:42.50 | redblades | never mind... I accidentally opened Mozilla, and thought it was fireofx. |
| 07:42.55 | tarzeau | nayyares: did you apt-cache search? i've got sid |
| 07:43.07 | tarzeau | PenguinL0v3r: ##linux |
| 07:43.13 | jm_ | atsi: it expects a well defined structure, not just any random CD |
| 07:43.22 | redblades | to remove packages is... ? apt-? |
| 07:43.27 | tarzeau | redblades: apt-get remove |
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| 07:43.55 | atsi | jm_what is a well defined structure? is there any way to overcome the problem? |
| 07:45.24 | redblades | thanks, I got it |
| 07:46.12 | jm_ | atsi: the same as you find on Debian CD-s |
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| 07:46.30 | atsi | ok thanks |
| 07:46.50 | jm_ | atsi: also look at apt-zip |
| 07:46.56 | redblades | That's odd... I did "apt-get remove mozilla-browser" and it's now installing thing! |
| 07:47.03 | redblades | (things) |
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| 07:48.30 | lewis | regarding SSH and pubkeys, how do I: 1. deny SSH access without a key authorization (i.e. deny password access) for certain users 2. Only allow certain commands via SSH key authorization (I know this is possible - forgot how to do it) |
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| 07:50.57 | zachhale | i am having trouble with this backports site, here is no information for how to install xorg on here |
| 07:51.08 | zachhale | i set it up so it checks for xorg packages |
| 07:51.12 | zachhale | gah |
| 07:51.26 | streuner | zachhale: did you read intructions yet ? |
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| 07:52.17 | streuner | http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 07:52.48 | streuner | if so, just run 'apt-get install x-window-system' |
| 07:53.24 | zachhale | i have doen those instructions |
| 07:53.28 | zachhale | so now do that last thing you say? |
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| 07:53.58 | streuner | apt-get -t sarge-backports x-window-system |
| 07:54.43 | zachhale | so after this is installed, is xorg there now? |
| 07:55.22 | streuner | yes |
| 07:55.55 | zachhale | okay, so if i restart my xserver then it will be running xorg? |
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| 07:56.40 | streuner | well, just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 07:56.45 | zachhale | okay |
| 07:57.12 | zachhale | it says xserver-xorg is not installed :S |
| 07:57.35 | streuner | apt-get -t sarge-backports xserver-xorg |
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| 07:57.57 | dorel__ | after taring up the system im getting "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" - does it mean tar exited with an error or it finished but reported that some errors occured during the tarring...? |
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| 07:58.02 | redblades | It's been a few months since I last used Debian, so I'm a bit rusty. |
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| 07:58.13 | redblades | Oh dear, got to go... |
| 07:58.20 | redblades | See you all! |
| 07:59.08 | zachhale | er "invalid operation xserver-xorg" |
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| 07:59.19 | rutzki | jee |
| 07:59.25 | rutzki | hello everbody |
| 07:59.39 | rutzki | is everyone here? |
| 07:59.43 | zachhale | i am here |
| 07:59.46 | streuner | zachhale: ok |
| 07:59.55 | rutzki | lol |
| 08:00.04 | rutzki | where are u guys from? |
| 08:00.13 | zachhale | rutzki: seattle |
| 08:00.20 | rutzki | cool |
| 08:00.31 | streuner | zachhale: just mv /etc/apt/preferences /tmp |
| 08:00.35 | stoned | rutzki, there are people here from all over the world |
| 08:00.54 | rutzki | ye, i know that alredy! |
| 08:01.01 | streuner | zachhale: and run 'apt-get update && apt-get install x-window-system' |
| 08:01.32 | stoned | streuner, doesn't that setup xdm as default, he might not want that, x-window-system-core perhaps? |
| 08:01.50 | rutzki | what is this,i mean what kind of chat? |
| 08:01.51 | streuner | zachhale: after you did that, 'mv /tmp/preferences /etc/apt/ |
| 08:02.13 | rutzki | it seems like all of you know a lot of computers |
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| 08:02.35 | zachhale | streuner: not 'mv /tmp/preferences /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 08:02.46 | streuner | no |
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| 08:02.50 | stoned | rutzki, this is a support channel for the Debian linux distro |
| 08:02.51 | zachhale | ok |
| 08:03.03 | rutzki | k... |
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| 08:03.28 | zachhale | streuner: done |
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| 08:03.41 | chron | how can i mount something as tmpfs in set up? |
| 08:03.44 | chron | is it possible? |
| 08:03.49 | streuner | zachhale: so run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 08:04.15 | streuner | zachhale: How do you start X at all? |
| 08:04.22 | zachhale | streuner: xserver-xorg not installed :S |
| 08:04.56 | streuner | zachhale: try apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 08:05.10 | rutzki | what are you talking about |
| 08:05.13 | rutzki | ? |
| 08:05.48 | PenguinL0v3r | rutzki, you are funny! :)) |
| 08:06.01 | zachhale | streuner: is it okay that i'm in gnome right now? |
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| 08:06.07 | rutzki | yee, everyone says that! :D |
| 08:06.31 | streuner | zachhale: debian isn't care what kind of DE you use, or WM |
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| 08:06.38 | zachhale | yea okay |
| 08:07.03 | rutzki | im use to use windows. so i dont know what u are talking about :P |
| 08:07.05 | tarzeau | who or what creates /dev/cdrom ? |
| 08:07.14 | stoned | rutzki, what are you doing here? |
| 08:07.29 | zachhale | streuner: it says it needs xserver-common |
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| 08:07.43 | stoned | zachhale, what sarge or not? |
| 08:07.43 | tarzeau | zachhale: it doesn't need it |
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| 08:07.46 | zachhale | streuner: which i cant seem to get |
| 08:07.54 | tarzeau | zachhale: remove it, it's not needed |
| 08:08.23 | zachhale | tarzeau: how? |
| 08:08.31 | redblades | Hi, I have an issue. My USB stick mounts fine, but when I tried to unmount it, it says "umount: /mnt/usb: device is busy" |
| 08:08.34 | tarzeau | zachhale: dpkg -P pkg |
| 08:08.49 | tarzeau | redblades: cd into another dirctory? |
| 08:08.56 | redblades | tried that |
| 08:09.08 | redblades | I'm in / |
| 08:09.30 | zachhale | tarzeau: dependency problem, xserver-xfree86 depends on it |
| 08:09.31 | tarzeau | redblades: then check who's blocking it using fuser |
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| 08:09.42 | tarzeau | zachhale: but if you have xorg, you don't need xfree anymore |
| 08:09.43 | redblades | fuser? sorry how? |
| 08:09.50 | tarzeau | redblades: man fuser |
| 08:09.59 | redblades | must i? |
| 08:10.03 | redblades | /usr/sbin/lsof +D /mnt/usb |
| 08:10.10 | tarzeau | redblades: i can also read it for you darling |
| 08:10.17 | stoned | lol |
| 08:10.20 | rutzki | i dont know :D |
| 08:10.20 | tarzeau | redblades: do you have MSN and audio/video chat? |
| 08:10.21 | stoned | such affection |
| 08:10.28 | stoned | lol |
| 08:10.31 | redblades | Not at the moment, |
| 08:10.32 | stoned | tarzeau, you're serious? |
| 08:10.35 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:10.39 | tarzeau | stoned: sure |
| 08:10.43 | redblades | I'm just sutting up Debian |
| 08:10.46 | rutzki | i got the msn messenger |
| 08:10.48 | bengrubb | say i run this ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ how do i disable it |
| 08:10.49 | stoned | man would you like to help me with my calculus? |
| 08:10.57 | redblades | No |
| 08:11.22 | jm_ | bengrubb: man a2enmod a2dismod |
| 08:11.35 | stoned | tarzeau, its a bit more involved than mere reading, but it could work |
| 08:11.39 | redblades | So exactly what would I type? |
| 08:11.40 | stoned | lol |
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| 08:12.43 | zachhale | tarzeau: okay, so if i dont need it anymore, how do i remove it? |
| 08:12.55 | zachhale | tarzeau: if it wont let me remove it |
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| 08:13.22 | redblades | Okay, famd is using it |
| 08:13.37 | tarzeau | zachhale: sync runs fine? fuser -k /mountpoint gets rid of what is locking it |
| 08:13.48 | tarzeau | zachhale: then you should be able to umount it (this should also sync it) |
| 08:13.53 | redblades | okay |
| 08:13.58 | streuner | tarzeau: backports! |
| 08:14.01 | bengrubb | jm_: that mnual doesnt help much |
| 08:14.05 | bengrubb | manual* |
| 08:14.09 | tarzeau | streuner: the verb is missing |
| 08:14.24 | tarzeau | streuner: what's with backports? that's not the answer to any of my questions |
| 08:14.29 | stoned | lol |
| 08:14.30 | redblades | still busy |
| 08:14.32 | streuner | tarzeau: ok, you are confused, because you want help 2 people at the same time. |
| 08:14.38 | stoned | man you guys are cracking me up lol |
| 08:14.42 | jm_ | bengrubb: yes it does, those are the commands that you should use to enable/disable modules |
| 08:14.50 | zachhale | tarzeau: what is /mountpoint? |
| 08:14.53 | stoned | tarzeau, you just confused one guy with another |
| 08:14.54 | stoned | lol |
| 08:15.04 | redblades | was that directed at me? |
| 08:15.07 | tarzeau | zachhale: oh wait |
| 08:15.07 | stoned | man THAT is priceless lol |
| 08:15.11 | zachhale | lol |
| 08:15.11 | tarzeau | stoned: true |
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| 08:15.18 | tarzeau | stoned: that's not priceless |
| 08:15.39 | streuner | zachhale: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 08:15.39 | redblades | I did "fuser -k /mnt/usb" and it is still busy |
| 08:15.43 | tarzeau | stoned: here that's priceless, http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/priceless/ |
| 08:15.45 | bengrubb | a2enmod /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ? |
| 08:15.45 | stoned | thank you for a fine time lol, I needed that laugh |
| 08:15.53 | stoned | :) |
| 08:16.02 | bengrubb | (bbl) |
| 08:16.07 | bengrubb | thanks |
| 08:16.08 | zachhale | uh, i'm not chatting from my linux box |
| 08:16.31 | streuner | zachhale: how about to connect your debian box to i-net? |
| 08:16.38 | redblades | oh dear... gnome-panel just crashed |
| 08:16.47 | stoned | redblades, run it again ! |
| 08:16.54 | redblades | I can't |
| 08:16.58 | stoned | why? |
| 08:17.12 | redblades | I must have used the wrong command. |
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| 08:17.34 | stoned | on bash, type gnome0panel& |
| 08:17.38 | redblades | oh |
| 08:17.39 | chron | is there a way i can edit things like /etc/fstab manually and mount some things like tmpfs to certain drives before the installer installs stuff? |
| 08:17.39 | stoned | er.. gnome-panel& |
| 08:17.46 | chron | or is there any manual way to install debian? |
| 08:17.54 | stoned | chron, what do you mean? |
| 08:18.04 | stoned | !d-i chron |
| 08:18.04 | dpkg | chron, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:18.07 | rutzki | im leaving :P |
| 08:18.09 | rutzki | bye |
| 08:18.10 | stoned | bye |
| 08:18.12 | redblades | Still not there... |
| 08:18.19 | redblades | oh |
| 08:18.28 | stoned | redblades, updatedb && locate gnome-panel |
| 08:18.34 | stoned | just a thought |
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| 08:19.02 | stoned | but it is always in the PATH variable |
| 08:19.19 | stoned | unless some demonic stuff is happening |
| 08:20.02 | redblades | Hmm... |
| 08:20.15 | redblades | It's taking a long time... |
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| 08:20.19 | stoned | yeh |
| 08:20.20 | stoned | it does |
| 08:20.24 | stoned | like a minute or two or 5 |
| 08:20.44 | redblades | Great |
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| 08:20.50 | stoned | ? |
| 08:21.34 | redblades | what on earth would cause i to crash? I opened it, noticed some icns were white boxes with red cross, then this! |
| 08:21.43 | zachhale | streuner, tarzeau: http://www.send.z122.com/files/2/sources.txt |
| 08:22.13 | stoned | ahh |
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| 08:22.27 | stoned | zachhale, what does your /etc/apt/preferences contain? |
| 08:22.57 | redblades | okay, so what now? |
| 08:23.17 | stoned | redblades, if you didn't remove gnome at all or any parts of it then you should still have gnome-panel |
| 08:23.22 | zachhale | http://www.send.z122.com/files/2/preferences.txt |
| 08:23.29 | stoned | do alt + f2 i think for run box and then try it there |
| 08:24.12 | redblades | well, there are a ton of listings, but I don't know which one to use! |
| 08:24.16 | zachhale | stoned, tarzeau, streuner: http://www.send.z122.com/files/2/preferences.txt |
| 08:24.39 | redblades | alt f2 does nothing |
| 08:24.45 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.12 | streuner | zachhale: What's so hard to read these instructions? |
| 08:25.19 | zachhale | i did |
| 08:25.20 | zachhale | lol |
| 08:25.21 | zachhale | :S |
| 08:25.24 | stoned | zachhale, leave everything as is, and just use apt-get -t sarge-backports install xserver-xorg |
| 08:25.40 | stoned | that should* work |
| 08:26.48 | streuner | no |
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| 08:27.21 | zachhale | stoned: wow okay that worked, i think all the previous didnt have the install piece of that command in it |
| 08:27.24 | redblades | This is so frustrating! |
| 08:27.26 | zachhale | i should have seen that |
| 08:27.27 | zachhale | :S |
| 08:27.33 | stoned | zachhale, -t overrides pinning |
| 08:27.51 | zachhale | what is pinning? |
| 08:27.59 | stoned | zachhale, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 08:27.59 | redblades | Gnome panel is GONE! |
| 08:28.13 | redblades | what on earth happened? |
| 08:28.25 | stoned | redblades, either you removed it or its possessed |
| 08:28.25 | redblades | How can I fix it? |
| 08:28.33 | redblades | possessed? |
| 08:28.34 | stoned | redblades, apt-get install gnome-core at least |
| 08:28.40 | stoned | that should do it |
| 08:28.41 | streuner | zachhale: som PITA |
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| 08:28.55 | bartden | hi, i have added $(command) to my PS1 variable , it looks a bit like this , PS1="\u ~ $(command)" but my command doesnt refresh each time i press enter, howcome ? |
| 08:29.00 | streuner | zachhale: try to install xorg first, please. |
| 08:29.01 | zachhale | m/sg dpkg grounding |
| 08:29.19 | streuner | !pinning |
| 08:29.19 | dpkg | apt-pinning is, like, read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 08:29.52 | zachhale | streuner: thank you and sorry for the difficulty |
| 08:29.57 | rem | . |
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| 08:30.27 | lewis | regarding SSH and pubkeys, how do I deny SSH access without a key authorization (i.e. deny password access) for certain users |
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| 08:30.35 | zachhale | stoned: so now xorg is installed? |
| 08:30.51 | karsten | lewis: I believe you can set up allow/deny lists on a per-user basis. |
| 08:30.57 | stoned | zachhale, if you installed it then yes |
| 08:30.58 | streuner | zachhale: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 08:31.04 | lewis | in /etc/ssh/ ? |
| 08:31.18 | streuner | zachhale: if you get an 'ii' at the left side, its installed then |
| 08:31.19 | wam | Hi! How can I get a list of installed packages on my system that no other packages depend on? I'm trying to clean my pkgsync/musthave... |
| 08:31.31 | stoned | wam, debfoster/deborphan |
| 08:31.33 | karsten | lewis: man sshd. Look for AllowUsers / DenyUsers. |
| 08:32.43 | karsten | lewis: Haven't configured same myself. |
| 08:32.50 | streuner | stoned: are you student? |
| 08:32.57 | stoned | streuner, yes |
| 08:33.08 | zachhale | streuner: awesome! thanks! |
| 08:33.19 | wam | stoned: are these the "orphaned" packages? |
| 08:33.26 | chron | how can i mount a tmpfs before i install debian's base system? |
| 08:33.34 | stoned | wam, read the man pages for the mentioned programs |
| 08:33.39 | chron | it seems like right after the partitioning it automatically installs |
| 08:33.39 | karsten | wam: an orphaned package is a lib no other package requires. |
| 08:33.45 | karsten | chron: Manually. |
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| 08:33.59 | chron | is there a way to extract debian manually? |
| 08:34.09 | karsten | chron: Yes. |
| 08:34.16 | chron | how? |
| 08:34.19 | karsten | chron: See appendix C of the Debian Installation Manual. |
| 08:34.19 | stoned | streuner, are you a teacher? |
| 08:34.29 | streuner | no |
| 08:34.30 | karsten | chron: Often referred to as a "chroot" install. |
| 08:34.34 | stoned | doh! |
| 08:34.37 | karsten | !tell chron about chroot install. |
| 08:34.42 | karsten | stoned: He's a narcotics officer. |
| 08:34.44 | chron | alright thanks |
| 08:34.48 | stoned | karsten, hehe |
| 08:34.49 | karsten | chron: NP. |
| 08:35.21 | streuner | karsten: :-) |
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| 08:36.05 | lewis | thanks |
| 08:36.19 | karsten | lewis: NP. |
| 08:36.51 | redblades | Okay, I've decided to do a complete new *base* install, so what command would I use to get x-windows? (or whatever it is that makes gnome work? |
| 08:36.53 | redblades | ) |
| 08:36.56 | stoned | well, tomorrow I will fail my calculus class, get a job, take summer classes, get my gpa up, and then get back on financial aid |
| 08:36.58 | stoned | :( |
| 08:37.04 | lewis | I have a validate_rsync script, which contains the lines, 'case "$SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND" in' and then later 'rsync\ --server*)' - where does the --server part apply to? |
| 08:37.08 | karsten | !tell redblades about install x |
| 08:37.16 | bibe | hi all. What is/are the make-kpkg's target(s) to build xen enabled kernels? I'd like to build both xen0 and xenu kernel images |
| 08:37.22 | lewis | the command works, and is to validate incoming SSH connections to only allow rsync |
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| 08:38.04 | lewis | what does 'rsync\ --server*)' mean in English? i.e. look for 'rsync --server' in the input? |
| 08:38.26 | karsten | bibe: If things haven't changed too horribly much in the past three months, I'd recommend pulling Xen's sources through Hg and building same. |
| 08:38.45 | karsten | lewis: Context? |
| 08:38.48 | bibe | karsten : Hg? |
| 08:39.05 | karsten | bibe: mercurial. Package management system the Xen project uses. |
| 08:39.20 | stoned | lol |
| 08:39.24 | karsten | bibe: I worked for XenSource Aug '05 - Feb '06. |
| 08:39.34 | lewis | err |
| 08:39.47 | stoned | karsten, I been Zen since I was 12 |
| 08:39.55 | streuner | karsten: how much did you earn there? |
| 08:40.03 | karsten | streuner: Enough to live on. |
| 08:40.30 | streuner | that's very relative :-) |
| 08:40.40 | karsten | streuner: Innit just? |
| 08:40.43 | stoned | I am changing my major from computer sci. to music theory and composition, jazz/classical, what do you think? |
| 08:40.53 | wam | I'm trying to get a list of packages for my "musthave"-file of pkgsync. As pkgsync also installs all recommended packages, will a "deborphan -a" create a good list for me? |
| 08:40.54 | karsten | stoned: I think you should lay off the pot. |
| 08:40.55 | streuner | karsten: sorry? |
| 08:41.02 | karsten | streuner: Isn't it just? |
| 08:41.09 | bibe | karsten : thank you very much, I'll try Hg too. But it seems that building xen-enabled kernel images has been put into make-kpkg. |
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| 08:41.25 | stoned | karsten, well what else do you think ;) |
| 08:41.27 | g6 | re |
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| 08:41.46 | karsten | bibe: There were Debian packages for Xen 2.x, but I don't believe 3.x has made it in yet (I may be wrong). |
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| 08:41.53 | stoned | karsten, I can't seem to pass math, I have taken calculus 3 times and failed it, I am not cut out for math, I do music, been playing it since I was a child |
| 08:42.10 | karsten | bibe: Xen's build process was pretty straightforward. If there are debs, by all means go with it. |
| 08:42.14 | stoned | I am thinking about just being a music teacher, and also keep networking/unix suport on the side |
| 08:42.43 | stoned | I dunno, since streuner asked if I was a student or not, it got me thinking |
| 08:42.49 | karsten | stoned: Follow your bliss. If you can possibly hack math, great, if you can't (I bailed at diff eqs), so be it. There's lots of jobs that use math, lots that don't. |
| 08:43.06 | karsten | stoned: I'd try to do the things in college which I can't do outside of college. |
| 08:43.16 | karsten | stoned: Music, to some extent, you can do on your own. |
| 08:43.17 | liable | pimping |
| 08:43.31 | stoned | yes, I know I've been told that do what you love and money will follow, but I love linux and music |
| 08:43.52 | liable | hrm, money doesnt always follow what you love.. |
| 08:43.57 | karsten | stoned: The "money will follow" part is about 75% bullshit. |
| 08:44.13 | stoned | I am just thinking about a simple MIS degree, basic comp. sci. bachelors so at least I have a degree, but I want to get a doctrate in music |
| 08:44.18 | lewis | with SSH keys, how dangerous is using a blank passphrase? aren't passphrases the weakness, and could someone brute-force the passphrase? |
| 08:44.18 | stoned | karsten, I know |
| 08:44.23 | karsten | stoned: ... the main difference is between being broke and sane vs. slightly less broke and out of your skull. |
| 08:44.45 | streuner | stoned: that's the way in this society, you earn only if you at the top... |
| 08:44.51 | karsten | lewis: A sufficiently long, well-constructed passhrase is difficult to crack. |
| 08:44.52 | stoned | karsten, true, but I also don't want to struggle |
| 08:44.58 | streuner | karsten: ^^^ |
| 08:45.00 | stoned | streuner, indeed |
| 08:45.01 | liable | lewis: they can only do dictionary attacks on the passprase, so its up to you to pick a good one. *if* you let someone get your key |
| 08:45.03 | karsten | stoned: Get used to making choices. |
| 08:45.20 | lewis | ah, so they'd need the private key AND the passphrase |
| 08:45.23 | stoned | karsten, I am not complaining about life, just that I am 25 and I am still unsure of what I want |
| 08:45.28 | karsten | lewis: Right. |
| 08:45.40 | karsten | stoned: 37, 38 this month, and ditto. |
| 08:45.46 | stoned | hah |
| 08:45.55 | lewis | ok - cool |
| 08:45.57 | stoned | well I suppose I am not alone of course |
| 08:46.03 | stoned | well hey look man |
| 08:46.08 | stoned | thanks for the words, I appreciate it |
| 08:46.21 | karsten | stoned: I like fucking around with Linux. There's a lot of shit I'd rather not do for a living, a few things I enjoy, some of thosw which pay. |
| 08:46.28 | karsten | brb. |
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| 08:46.55 | __dante__ | http://monstersgame.it/?ac=vid&vid=16019407 |
| 08:47.34 | liable | !ops __dante__ spammer |
| 08:47.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: __dante__ spammer |
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| 08:48.47 | redblades | okay, and how do I install Gnome? |
| 08:48.59 | liable | apt-get install gnome?? |
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| 08:49.07 | stoned | redblades, apt-get install gnome-core synaptic |
| 08:49.24 | stoned | redblades, then use synaptic, browse the gnome section, and install the packages you want by reading thier description |
| 08:49.33 | stoned | don't install full gnome unless you want insane bloat |
| 08:49.54 | redblades | I'll be doing a *base* install - no synaptic |
| 08:49.55 | stoned | which is also ok if you want to, just saying, I find that other approach better more often than not |
| 08:50.24 | karsten | stoned: If you're at a school, try taking one of the interest inventory tests. I think the Strong Interest Inventory is still the standard. May not tell you what to do, but it can do some carving out of what you might look at and look strongly at avoiding. |
| 08:50.31 | redblades | all command line stuff, so apt-get install gnome-core ? |
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| 08:50.42 | stoned | for gnome BASIC thats all |
| 08:50.48 | stoned | for the full gnome desktop use apt-get install gnome |
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| 08:51.13 | karsten | stoned: There's a lot of people who stick with a bit of music as a part-time thing. Jazz in particular is pretty tough. That said, my cousin is a professional classical musician (singer). |
| 08:51.23 | liable | redblades: apt-cache search gnome | apt-cache show foo |
| 08:51.29 | stoned | karsten, I want to be a music professor at a decent university |
| 08:51.37 | redblades | All I want it a basic desktop with the three standard icons, and *no* extra programs |
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| 08:51.42 | stoned | karsten, or I want to be into unix supoprt |
| 08:51.50 | redblades | will gnome-base be fine for that? |
| 08:51.54 | liable | redblades: apt-cache search gnome | apt-cache show foo |
| 08:52.11 | liable | redblades: learn how to use those to commandas |
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| 08:52.17 | karsten | stoned: Find out what the job market is, how many schools, how many professorships, what kind of pay, how many applicants. Whether or not you'd be competitive. |
| 08:52.17 | liable | two |
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| 08:52.33 | karsten | stoned: Unix support's a much easier proposition at present. |
| 08:52.36 | liable | whether you are allowed to date students.. |
| 08:52.45 | liable | :P |
| 08:52.47 | bartden | hi, i have added $(command) to my PS1 variable , it looks a bit like this , PS1="\u ~ $(command)" but my command doesnt refresh each time i press enter, howcome ? |
| 08:52.54 | karsten | stoned: ... buthas its long-term downsides as well. |
| 08:52.55 | redblades | foo |
| 08:53.06 | stoned | karsten, http://bungs.dontexist.com/sad1.mp3 <<--- this might give you a better idea of my musical abilities and technical prowess on the instrument. I will of course keep my MIS major |
| 08:53.26 | lewis | grr - can't see how to block 'joebloggs' user from using SSH UNLESS he is connecting via SSH keys. The SSH keys work, but I don't want them to not use SSH keys. |
| 08:53.36 | stoned | karsten, I have been told by numerous people and friends that I should try to make a career with MS technologies |
| 08:53.39 | jm_ | bartden: use prompt function instead |
| 08:53.42 | lewis | oops - I meant not use 'normal SSH access'. |
| 08:53.47 | karsten | bartden: That's tough to do right. Might want to look at $PROMPT_COMMAND (man bash). |
| 08:53.50 | stoned | somehow I think that makes sense, because so long as MS is around, there will be jobs |
| 08:54.09 | karsten | stoned: You might or might not make good money with MS. I'd not be able to deal with it. |
| 08:54.10 | stoned | I guess, even to remove spyware and adware from poeoples computers at 8$/hr |
| 08:54.20 | stoned | karsten, I already can't deal with it lol |
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| 08:54.39 | ebrosius | moins |
| 08:54.54 | kreg_dcdi | i have a system that works great with my agp nvidia card and the latest nvidia driver |
| 08:54.56 | karsten | stoned: Going rate locally is $50 - $180 per instance. Silicon Valley rates. |
| 08:55.07 | kreg_dcdi | usually i just slap in old pci cards and setup multiple screens |
| 08:55.08 | karsten | stoned: Increase your rates until you stop getting business. |
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| 08:55.25 | stoned | karsten, I am in fucking oklahoma, I charge 40-60/hr but it depends on how much work and what kind of work it is |
| 08:55.33 | kreg_dcdi | however since upgrading to an nvidia card, i can not seem to make that work anymore. is there a reason installing the nvidia drivers have prevented me from using xorg drivers on other cards? |
| 08:56.02 | karsten | stoned: Just sharing data. |
| 08:56.13 | stoned | kreg_dcdi, shouldn't |
| 08:56.14 | karsten | stoned: Career advice: Get. Out. Of. Oklahoma. |
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| 08:56.24 | stoned | karsten, yeh, I am thinking of moving to houston |
| 08:56.24 | karsten | stoned: OTOH, cost of living is cheap ;-) |
| 08:56.29 | stoned | I've got family there, and friends |
| 08:56.32 | karsten | stoned: Think again. |
| 08:56.52 | stoned | well, houston is like 4 horus from baton rouge, where my parensts live |
| 08:57.13 | stoned | I dunno man, I am fucking lost |
| 08:57.14 | stoned | and I am pissed |
| 08:57.16 | stoned | :( |
| 08:57.21 | karsten | stoned: http://www.cpp.com/products/strong/index.asp |
| 08:57.27 | stoned | brb then |
| 08:57.33 | karsten | stoned: interest inventory thing I was mentioning. |
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| 08:58.08 | karsten | stoned: ... most colleges offer this through career center for ~$40-$50. Worth it. |
| 08:58.22 | stoned | yeh, I live off Ramen noodles mate |
| 08:58.24 | stoned | i'll check it out |
| 08:58.40 | stoned | I have to go to school tomorrow to find out what to do about htis calculus class that I am going to fail tomorrow |
| 08:58.46 | stoned | find out how to get back on financial aid |
| 08:59.18 | stoned | I dont even take any shame in it anymore man, I fucking fully admit it, I am not cut out for math |
| 08:59.32 | stoned | I've taken it thrice and fialed |
| 09:00.07 | stoned | well this is this 3rd time. Oh boy..., but hey , I appreciate your advice man |
| 09:00.27 | kreg_dcdi | if i used the .run to install, where's the documenation to tell me how to uninstall? |
| 09:00.37 | karsten | stoned: Took me two goes in college, second time was the charm. Helped to have a very low-key, mellow, but dedicated TA teaching it the second time around. |
| 09:00.52 | karsten | kreg_dcdi: Um. For what? Read NVidia's docs. |
| 09:01.14 | kreg_dcdi | karsten, it's just a .run file. and the website only has a xconfig readme |
| 09:01.22 | kreg_dcdi | karsten, that's what i was asking. for the docs if anyone knew |
| 09:01.36 | stoned | karsten, this is my second time too :( my first was hospitalized for 2 months cuz of severe illness and had to drop out for 2 semesters |
| 09:01.44 | karsten | kreg_dcdi: That's the pitfall of 3rd party installers. |
| 09:01.50 | karsten | stoned: Ouch. |
| 09:02.17 | karsten | stoned: College is something you can come back to later, though after 30 it starts getting a lot more difficult. Significant amounts of life tend to ahve happened by then. |
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| 09:02.39 | stoned | alright, plan of action: get a job, get into summer school, pay for classes out of pocket, get my gpa up, get back on financial aid before next semester rolls around, try to transfer to a diff state |
| 09:02.41 | stoned | :( |
| 09:03.08 | karsten | stoned: Plan B? |
| 09:03.19 | karsten | stoned: .. smoke a bowl? |
| 09:03.26 | stoned | keep working and playing music |
| 09:03.28 | liable | become a pimp! |
| 09:03.44 | stoned | school will come around when it comes around, but I will bust my ass to at least get a bachelors degree |
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| 09:04.57 | stoned | I've got 7 F's on my transcript because of no one dropping my classes that semester, and I ended up getting an F, and then the assholes won't let me appeal even based on medical documentation, they said you had a whole semester to drop, I said man Iwas in the hospital but no luck |
| 09:05.59 | stoned | I got A/B/B/C in all other classes this semester, just F in this algebra is going to really drag my gpa down |
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| 09:06.09 | karsten | One of the things I learned in college ... |
| 09:06.14 | stoned | oh well, this is #debian, I shall toke and fucking shut the fuck up |
| 09:06.15 | stoned | :( |
| 09:06.18 | liable | so study instead of wasting time on irc... |
| 09:06.36 | karsten | ... was that dealing with the bureaucracy (and playing by the rules) was a big part of it, and among the major lessons learned. |
| 09:06.42 | lewis | how can I set that if a user has a .ssh/authorized_keys file, then SSH passwordauthentication is disabled? |
| 09:06.47 | karsten | stoned: And seriously, lay off the path. |
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| 09:07.05 | stoned | path? |
| 09:07.15 | karsten | stoned: Erm. Pot. |
| 09:07.16 | liable | s/path/weed/?? |
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| 09:07.35 | karsten | stoned: ... so you don't make stupid brainos like me. |
| 09:08.24 | stoned | its not the pot, I've got good grades all the time, just that those 7 F's in ALL classes that semester, and then this 8th F now, will bring my gpa down below 2.0. I have kept it to 2.4 so far now, finally got it back up |
| 09:08.34 | stoned | but yeh, I don't toke until the entire days' shit is done |
| 09:08.53 | karsten | Stays in your system for days. |
| 09:08.59 | liable | lewis: it will default to password auth if they dont have a key, but imho, if you are going to use keys at all, disable password auth |
| 09:09.01 | stoned | 2 weeks min, 8 weeks max |
| 09:09.03 | liable | weeks |
| 09:09.07 | karsten | And fucks with your long-term recall. |
| 09:09.13 | stoned | actually short term |
| 09:09.22 | karsten | As I said ;-) |
| 09:09.38 | stoned | tetrahydrocannibinol delta 9 destroys the mylen sheath on the neurons cell body, which actually is known to hold short term memory |
| 09:09.45 | liable | stays detectable through hair tests for longer |
| 09:09.51 | stoned | thc depletes the lipids and deteriorates your short term memory |
| 09:10.12 | liable | although thats the same for any drugs, mmmkay |
| 09:10.59 | Coweater | just shave, everything |
| 09:11.15 | stoned | heh, be like powder? |
| 09:11.26 | AnyFile | I have a problem with DNS resolving. My ADSL-router does DNS action. Via dhcp, IP is correctly set and the resolv.conf is correctly set to the address of the router, but the dns search fails. If I set in resolv.conf the address of the nameserver of my ISP, things works. What can I change in configuration to make the dns in my router to work? |
| 09:12.08 | stoned | AnyFile, set the DNS server to that of the router, router gets its info from the modem, including the DNS servers of your ISP |
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| 09:12.37 | stoned | AnyFile, your /etc/network/interfaces should contain the ip of router as nameserver |
| 09:13.06 | stoned | specify the second dns server as your isp's main dns server(primary) |
| 09:13.13 | AnyFile | stoned, yes this is what happend before I installed the debian, and all the configuration is as you said in debian too, but it dies not work |
| 09:13.39 | AnyFile | at the moment only the dns of the router is set |
| 09:13.44 | stoned | what do you mean by not work |
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| 09:14.02 | Bear_DK | how do I pipe stderr to nowhere so I don't get error message? E.g. 'cat foo.sql | mysql' and don't send errors to screen |
| 09:14.04 | AnyFile | every hostname is resolved to 1.0.0.1 |
| 09:14.35 | stoffell | does there exist a ipsec policy match support kernel+iptables in any repository? |
| 09:14.53 | AnyFile | Bear_DK, if you are using bash 2> /dev/null |
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| 09:15.15 | stoned | AnyFile, log into the router and see its configuration, router statistics or something, see what dns server it is picking up |
| 09:15.20 | stoned | or its set to* |
| 09:15.38 | stoned | your router might be getting 1.0.0.1 from modem for some reason maybe I dunno |
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| 09:15.55 | Bear_DK | AnyFile: thanks |
| 09:16.53 | AnyFile | if I boot with my old linux (an old red hat) everything works and from a windows computer works, so I can belive that router is fine |
| 09:17.03 | liable | is memoserv new or am i ignorant? |
| 09:17.09 | jm_ | liable_: it's not new |
| 09:17.12 | stoned | ignorant |
| 09:17.13 | stoned | ! |
| 09:17.15 | stoned | j/k |
| 09:17.18 | liable | hehe |
| 09:17.53 | stoned | AnyFile, post your resolv.conf hosts and interfaces somewhere |
| 09:18.40 | liable | AnyFile: does it fail completely, or does it just take a long time? you could try ethereal to see whats going on. |
| 09:19.24 | stoned | AnyFile, what does nslookup google.com say? |
| 09:19.50 | stoned | if it times out |
| 09:20.04 | stoned | does* |
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| 09:20.40 | signature16 | when i try to access PHP My Admin i get this error: The Configuratoin file now needs a secret passphrase (blowfish_secret). how do i fix taht? |
| 09:21.03 | liable | give it the secret passphrase? |
| 09:21.24 | SlayerXP | liable: what a radical suggestion. |
| 09:21.27 | stoned | Server: 192.168.1.1 <-- this is my DNS server when I do nslookup, what does yours show, `.0.0.` |
| 09:21.34 | stoned | 1.0.0.1? |
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| 09:22.03 | liable | SlayerXP: i surprise myself on occasions. |
| 09:22.25 | stoned | hey wtf, i lost my pipe |
| 09:22.29 | stoned | brb |
| 09:22.39 | liable | break out the bucket. |
| 09:22.49 | stoned | I got it |
| 09:22.56 | stoned | AnyFile, you still there |
| 09:23.20 | AnyFile | it is a very strange thing: sometimes nsloojup and ping works, sometime not. When it work, then I am able to connect to the hostname (for instance via telent), but just for the last one I was able to ping. if I ping one more hostname, then I am able to telnet only the last one and not the previous one |
| 09:24.11 | stoned | AnyFile, you said your windows box works fine? get in cmd.exe then try ping 1000 times to google.com and see if you have any packet loss, maybe its an isp issue? |
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| 09:25.52 | AnyFile | stoned, is resolv configured so that it ask to relay the question or should I change some configuration? |
| 09:26.20 | stoned | AnyFile, I asked you to post the resolv.conf /etc/hosts /etc/network/interfaces files somewhere so that I may look over them |
| 09:26.40 | AnyFile | What do you mean with somewhere? |
| 09:26.41 | Trewas | AnyFile: I have seen exactly same symptoms on one computer, but it wasn't my own so I did not debug it more throgoughly, but my guess was that querying ipv6 addresses confused the adsl-router |
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| 09:26.48 | stoned | AnyFile, pastebin? |
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| 09:27.10 | liable | Trewas: i had the same once, but it was slow, didnt stop lookups completely |
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| 09:28.59 | AnyFile | sorry stoned , what is pastebin? |
| 09:29.02 | liable | Trewas: but i think thats the right track |
| 09:29.07 | stoned | !paste |
| 09:29.07 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 09:29.46 | AnyFile | resolv.conf : |
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| 09:30.01 | AnyFile | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
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| 09:30.17 | liable | AnyFile: if you dont know what paste bin is, just /j #flood and paste shit there |
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| 09:30.41 | stoned | maybe he is in console, maybe he needs the command line pastebin |
| 09:30.46 | AnyFile | host.conf : |
| 09:30.54 | AnyFile | order hosts,bind |
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| 09:31.04 | dorel__ | ive tared up my entire / and copied it to /tmp/backup/TEST, i listed the files with 'tar -tf file.tar.gz' and i see them as "./var/cache/run....etc" if i open them up will they be extracted in the CURRENT dir or overwrite my real-current /var partition? |
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| 09:32.27 | woodland | which is right kernel image for AMD athlon xp-m processor |
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| 09:32.50 | liable | in whatever directory you're in |
| 09:33.33 | Trewas | liable: the weirdest thing was that the router returned wrong addresses in some cases (1.0.0.1 or something), and the program tries to connect to that so it will never connect... |
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| 09:34.10 | dorel__ | ok thanks |
| 09:34.16 | Trewas | I noticed that only happened if the program tried to resolve ipv6 address first and then ipv4 after that, programs like ping which use ipv4 by default worked fine |
| 09:34.28 | AnyFile | Trewas, do you think it may be a good thing to remove the IP6 references in /etc/hosts ? |
| 09:35.25 | Trewas | AnyFile: removing them should not cause any bad side-effects, but I don't know if it will help either |
| 09:35.42 | AnyFile | well actually I do not know if the router return 1.0.0.1 or if this IP address came up from somewhere else |
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| 09:35.49 | liable | ethereal |
| 09:36.16 | Trewas | I checked with ethereal, but ran out of interest because of the computer not being my own :) |
| 09:36.26 | AnyFile | I will try with etheral, but I have to study how to use it first |
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| 09:36.44 | woodland | which is right kernel image for AMD athlon xp-m processor |
| 09:37.35 | avtobiff | 686 |
| 09:37.41 | Coweater | k7 is the "best" |
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| 09:38.12 | woodland | Coweater, hi what is k7 stand for |
| 09:38.14 | AnyFile | thanks to everybody, I will do some test and if I find something interesting I will report it |
| 09:38.23 | lewis | how can I disable SSH PasswordAuthentication on a per-user basis? |
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| 09:38.27 | stoned | AnyFile, you can check it, try to lookup something that is ipv4 then something that is ipv6 then see whats up |
| 09:38.40 | marcel | Has anyone got knowledge of an Epson Stylus Photo RX650 (quite new model) working with an RX630/600 printer driver? The device is an all in one scanner. |
| 09:38.43 | avtobiff | k7 is for the old athlons? are they not? |
| 09:39.14 | AnyFile | I belive that I always try to ping or telnet to IPv4 host |
| 09:39.20 | Coweater | xp is still a k7 |
| 09:39.28 | raf256 | in unstable |
| 09:39.33 | marcel | <woodland> K7. I have an XP too. |
| 09:39.40 | AnyFile | bye |
| 09:39.43 | avtobiff | sorry my bad |
| 09:39.55 | woodland | avtobiff, but when i try to do net install, my cd automatically installs kernel 2.4.27 and not 2.6-k7 why is that |
| 09:39.59 | avtobiff | athlon-xp is k7 |
| 09:40.18 | SlayerXP | non-amd64 athlons are k7. |
| 09:40.22 | avtobiff | woodland, probably because it is safer to boot a generic kernel |
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| 09:40.49 | avtobiff | woodland, and because you did not boot with linux26 (that is why you get a 2.4 kernel) |
| 09:40.49 | marcel | No bites on the Epson question? |
| 09:41.06 | avtobiff | woodland, or expert26 or whatever you want to boot with... |
| 09:41.10 | woodland | avtobiff, how do i boot with linux26 |
| 09:41.48 | avtobiff | woodland, you put the cd in your drive and then you wait for the splash screen then you read |
| 09:41.59 | avtobiff | read read read!!! ;-) |
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| 09:42.15 | vin` | then hit a few Fn keys and read some more. |
| 09:42.24 | avtobiff | woodland, but you just write linux26 on the "boot:" line and press enter. |
| 09:42.30 | avtobiff | vin`, thanks :-) |
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| 09:42.47 | woodland | avtobiff, ok |
| 09:43.04 | dorel__ | can i turn my current linux installation into a bootable cdr (its under 4gigs) that would automatically install the system? i need a backup of the entire system |
| 09:43.22 | woodland | avtobiff, so will it give me choice to install 2.6....k7 ? |
| 09:43.31 | jm_ | dorel__: bootcd package claims to be able to do this |
| 09:44.14 | avtobiff | woodland, no. probably only the 2.6 kernel. |
| 09:44.20 | dorel__ | thanks ill read up on it. im open for more suggestions if you have any :P |
| 09:44.39 | avtobiff | woodland, but you can install a k7-kernel later on using aptitude or any other apt-tool of your choice |
| 09:45.10 | woodland | avtobiff, in that case i will have 2 kernels installed , right ? |
| 09:45.18 | marcel | Has anyone got knowledge of an Epson Stylus Photo RX650 (quite new model) working with an RX630/600 printer driver? The device is an all in one scanner. |
| 09:45.42 | marcel | I have STFW |
| 09:45.47 | avtobiff | woodland, yes. and then when you have tried out the new one you can delete the old one (if you really need to save about 1-2 MB or what it takes) |
| 09:46.04 | avtobiff | perhaps it takes a bit more space counting all the modules and such... |
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| 09:46.10 | woodland | avtobiff, ok thanx |
| 09:46.17 | avtobiff | you are welcome |
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| 09:48.32 | woodland | marcel, how did you install debian on your amd athlon xp |
| 09:49.03 | marcel | I used the net install method. |
| 09:49.22 | SlayerXP | woodland: I doubt he did. I expect he installed it on a hard drive of some description. |
| 09:49.24 | liable | woodland: just install it, then get a k7 later |
| 09:49.42 | woodland | liable, gotcha |
| 09:49.47 | marcel | Take the above advice ^ |
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| 09:50.13 | woodland | so i should type 'linux26' at the boot , right ? |
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| 09:50.35 | liable | yes |
| 09:50.39 | woodland | thanx |
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| 09:57.17 | woodland | which display manager people are using here |
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| 09:57.28 | jm_ | I don't use it |
| 09:58.11 | johaBBa | DNS queries on my box are really slow, after the name is found speed is good. i've tried ISP DNS servers, dnsmasq on the LAN, and nscd of the box. why are DNS queuries so slow? |
| 09:58.17 | woodland | jm_, so how do you use kde or gnome without it ? |
| 09:58.57 | jm_ | woodland: I don't use GNOME or KDE either, but it's equally trivial with startx honouring ~/.xsession |
| 09:59.03 | ghenry | anyone know how to get Sun Java 1.4 to run on Xeon 64 debian? |
| 09:59.09 | ghenry | or do you have to go to 1.5? |
| 09:59.33 | woodland | jm_, so which desktop env you run? |
| 09:59.45 | basix | i have setup a sftp using ssh2. Actually apart from creating a username/id for my friend i didnt do anything. I tested out the account on my intranet using filezilla as the client as well as the sftp CLI client on linux. It worked fine but my friend is unable to connect to it from the internet. Infact he connects and the keys exchange and all but he gets an error saying "Unable to retrieve directory listing". I have opened up port 22 on my server. Is th |
| 09:59.46 | basix | ere any other port i need to open up?? |
| 10:00.08 | jm_ | woodland: none, I just use a window manager of choice |
| 10:00.30 | woodland | jm_, like windowmaker ? |
| 10:00.39 | jm_ | woodland: icewm |
| 10:01.05 | woodland | jm_, i tried to use windowmaker, but it looks so dull, kde and gnome are so cool |
| 10:01.57 | DA_ | basix: sounds like a problem on his end, he might be behind a firewall/router, tell him to turn on passive mode in his ftp client |
| 10:02.14 | jm_ | woodland: the coolness factor gets in the way when you use it for daily tasks, not to look at stupid effects etc. |
| 10:02.35 | woodland | jm_, ok |
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| 10:03.19 | woodland | jm_, i think kde and gnome are also heavy, |
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| 10:03.49 | jm_ | woodland: sure |
| 10:03.56 | liable | woodland: try xfce for an in between option |
| 10:04.08 | woodland | jm_, is icewm very light ? |
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| 10:04.29 | jm_ | woodland: there are several variants, but yeah, it's feature-rich and light |
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| 10:04.35 | woodland | liable, ok i am checking wikipedia for different display managers |
| 10:05.41 | liable | woodland: display managers just do graphical logins |
| 10:06.07 | woodland | liable, then what is icewm , metacity ? |
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| 10:06.41 | liable | window managers |
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| 10:06.54 | woodland | liable, ok i got it, |
| 10:07.14 | woodland | liable, which window manager do you use |
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| 10:07.33 | liable | woodland: gnome, kde and xfce4 are desktop environments |
| 10:07.38 | liable | woodland: i use xfce |
| 10:07.40 | evil_core | hi |
| 10:07.57 | evil_core | i dont use debian, and i dont have to use it |
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| 10:08.07 | evil_core | but i ave one question |
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| 10:08.30 | datieman | is there away to remove borders around gnome windows? |
| 10:08.37 | woodland | liable, i have great difficulty understanding difference between desktop environment and window manager. both look the same to me |
| 10:08.50 | evil_core | Get:3 ftp://ftp-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk unstable/main chromium 0.9.12-12 (diff) |
| 10:09.00 | evil_core | i ant find this file ? |
| 10:09.24 | evil_core | whecan anybody explain me where to search for it on ftp ? |
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| 10:09.48 | liable | woodland: yeah, its a bit of a mystery to me as well. |
| 10:10.11 | evil_core | datieman, use theme that dont have borders i think |
| 10:10.29 | basix | DA_, hes behind a router...what does he need to resolve this issue? |
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| 10:10.50 | woodland | liable, the way i understand it is, we ALWAYS need window manager, which is not the case with desktop environment |
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| 10:11.15 | datieman | evil_core, so how would i create a theme that doesn't use borders ? :-) |
| 10:11.25 | evil_core | i dont know |
| 10:11.29 | datieman | evil_core, i was hoping for some environment variables when starting up a application |
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| 10:11.43 | evil_core | im not sure |
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| 10:12.04 | evil_core | but i think that i saw somewhere theme for xomp9oiste w/o border |
| 10:12.07 | evil_core | but im not sure |
| 10:12.32 | voltagex | I've compiled inotify support into my kernel, there's still no /dev/inotify |
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| 10:13.56 | liable | woodland: a desktop environment still needs a window manager, eg, metacity for gnome |
| 10:14.25 | woodland | liable, ya you are right |
| 10:14.41 | pzn | I see that rsh is not available in debian... ssh produces too much overhead. I need full speed gigabit connection between two specific hosts. They have a direct cross ethernet cable. what do you recommend for remote logins from one machine to the other without password, and without encryption? |
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| 10:15.13 | jm_ | pzn: it is available |
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| 10:15.38 | Q-FUNK | could someone help me configure xdm to always launch with "X vt7 -dpi 100 -broadcast"? |
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| 10:15.54 | pzn | jm_, which is the package name? |
| 10:16.10 | voltagex | I've compiled inotify support into my kernel, there's still no /dev/inotify |
| 10:16.45 | tarzeau | has someone run minix3 with x yet? |
| 10:16.55 | tarzeau | Q-FUNK: yes it's somewhere in /etc |
| 10:17.03 | tarzeau | /etc/X11/ /me looks |
| 10:17.05 | jm_ | pzn: simple apt-cache search rsh finds it |
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| 10:17.18 | pzn | jm_, ok, found it. rsh-server and rsh-redone-server. thanks! |
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| 10:17.29 | Q-FUNK | tarzeau: /etc/X11/xdm/* but which file? |
| 10:17.29 | jm_ | pzn: indeed |
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| 10:18.02 | pzn | jm_, I had written apt-cache search rhs... my typo... :-( |
| 10:18.57 | tarzeau | Q-FUNK: we have it in /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers |
| 10:19.06 | tarzeau | Q-FUNK: it's probably the same for you with xdm instead of wdm |
| 10:19.24 | tarzeau | Q-FUNK: that's what i have inside: :0 local /etc/X11/X vt7 |
| 10:19.29 | Q-FUNK | yes, there's an Xservers |
| 10:19.31 | jm_ | pzn: heh maybe apt should have zsh-like auto-correcting features |
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| 10:20.52 | fbn | my server (etch) does not accept ssh private key authentication, it worked with woody (same sshd_config), what can be the reason for that? |
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| 10:21.07 | miranda83 | hello guys |
| 10:21.11 | miranda83 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.22 | tarzeau | miranda83: ftp/lftp ? |
| 10:21.28 | voltagex | :( |
| 10:21.39 | miranda83 | tarzeau, i mean, like ftp host file user passwd |
| 10:21.56 | jm_ | ftp can be automated easily, either by feeding it commands via stdin or by using .netrc file |
| 10:22.04 | tarzeau | miranda83: ftp has a config file |
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| 10:22.16 | miranda83 | tarzeau, can u be more specific? |
| 10:22.22 | tarzeau | miranda83: you don't want passwords on the commandline |
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| 10:22.27 | tarzeau | miranda83: yes, man lftp or man ftp |
| 10:22.34 | miranda83 | ... |
| 10:22.35 | miranda83 | ok |
| 10:22.36 | tarzeau | miranda83: they have good manuals for you to read |
| 10:22.44 | pzn | miranda83, check command ncftpput and ncftpget (install package ncftp). |
| 10:22.46 | incorrect | i am debating if i should go with debian or ubuntu on my new laptop |
| 10:22.59 | tarzeau | miranda83: you can also hire me to read it for you, where do you live? |
| 10:23.08 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 10:23.08 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 10:23.14 | voltagex | incorrect: your choice. I recomment debian |
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| 10:23.21 | miranda83 | pzn, thx i'll check that one |
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| 10:23.28 | pinky | Why is there only a non-free unrar utility available? |
| 10:23.32 | incorrect | voltagex, i used to run debian on my old laptop for many years |
| 10:23.37 | tarzeau | pinky: there is also a free one |
| 10:23.45 | tarzeau | pinky: but why use rar at all? use 7z or gz... |
| 10:23.47 | voltagex | incorrect: if you love the power of pure debian... |
| 10:23.59 | voltagex | tarzeau: because .rar is still used by some people |
| 10:24.02 | tarzeau | voltagex: usually people use the freedome of debian |
| 10:24.08 | pzn | miranda83, do not use passwords from command line!!! check option '-f' of ncftpput/get |
| 10:24.12 | tarzeau | voltagex: tell them to create it as tar.gz for you |
| 10:24.13 | pinky | tarzeau: I said "unrar" meaning I'm likely not making RAR archives myself. |
| 10:24.25 | pinky | tarzeau: There are many RAR files on the Internet... |
| 10:24.35 | incorrect | i then converted to gentoo, interesting to learning how to put a distro together, now i am bored of spending my life compiling |
| 10:24.39 | voltagex | tarzeau: yes, the freedom of debian, to sit in the channel and wait for an answer on /dev/inotify... |
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| 10:24.45 | miranda83 | pzn, ok, i'll read the man on ncftpput |
| 10:24.59 | tarzeau | pinky: well that's not a debian problem is it? |
| 10:25.06 | tarzeau | pinky: did you see why it's in non-free? |
| 10:25.06 | incorrect | ubuntu is basically debian with better desktop support right? |
| 10:25.11 | tarzeau | pinky: go buggerer the rar authors |
| 10:25.20 | tarzeau | incorrect: no |
| 10:25.32 | tarzeau | incorrect: it's not debian. and without the choice which desktop you want |
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| 10:26.10 | incorrect | it seems to have the same packages, i compared version numbers etc and it looks like they just stole it and slapped their name on top? |
| 10:26.17 | bengrubb | hey i asked this before but still have no solution |
| 10:26.18 | bengrubb | say i run this ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ how do i disable it |
| 10:26.20 | tarzeau | incorrect: it doesn't, often there's little differences |
| 10:26.21 | incorrect | i mean made some enhancements? |
| 10:26.30 | tarzeau | incorrect: they didn't steal it, they can do that |
| 10:26.31 | pinky | tarzeau: When I install the unrar-free package, Ark still complains that the utility "unrar" is not in my system PATH. |
| 10:26.42 | tarzeau | incorrect: but i wouldn-t call all their changes, enhancements |
| 10:27.02 | tarzeau | pinky: maybe Ark is not so good? |
| 10:27.08 | incorrect | tarzeau, i know, but i could consider it ripping debian off if i took the debian distro and made changes and called it my own |
| 10:27.15 | liable | incorrect: its made a little more user friendly with more gui shits and automagic support |
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| 10:27.30 | ourbbs | why is it when i compile a kernel and only change the qos options most my devices are not detected is the preselected option part of my orginal install |
| 10:27.37 | pinky | Other programs seem to not be able to read it either... |
| 10:27.47 | pinky | I just installed the non-free "unrar" and it worked. |
| 10:27.56 | tarzeau | incorrect: feel free to stay with debian as many others |
| 10:27.59 | pinky | That's frustrating... |
| 10:28.00 | incorrect | why is ubuntu so popular? |
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| 10:28.18 | tarzeau | incorrect: it's the people that just want a computer and work, and not care about history and freedom that use ubuntu |
| 10:28.28 | tarzeau | incorrect: the fact is: it is not |
| 10:28.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:28.45 | incorrect | sorry im not trying to start a flame war just life was so much easier back when your choices were, debian deadrat or slackware |
| 10:28.46 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:28.46 | lewis | how can I disable SSH PasswordAuthentication on a per-user basis? |
| 10:28.52 | tarzeau | incorrect: and check popcon.ubuntu.com |
| 10:28.56 | ourbbs | where can you get the non free rar |
| 10:28.59 | lewis | (for users with SSH keys instead) |
| 10:29.20 | tarzeau | ourbbs: not here, try google |
| 10:29.38 | pinky | incorrect: This is from the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ: "Today, Debian's developers think of it as a direct descendent of the GNU project." |
| 10:30.06 | ourbbs | why is it when i compile a kernel and only change the qos options most my devices are not detected is the preselected options part of my orginal install |
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| 10:30.11 | incorrect | debian it is! |
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| 10:30.31 | pinky | =] |
| 10:30.49 | incorrect | the reason for me, can't think of a good reason to try anything else, also all my other machines are debian |
| 10:31.18 | jm_ | ourbbs: it's in non-free, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 10:31.43 | tarzeau | incorrect: do you like freebsd? |
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| 10:32.16 | ourbbs | i want to do shaping but the canned kernel does not have it enabled can i get a kernel with it all ready enabled. ?? |
| 10:32.18 | incorrect | tarzeau, i |
| 10:32.34 | incorrect | tarzeau, i've been meaning to try it out for years, |
| 10:33.02 | incorrect | tarzeau, i never saw any real reason to try anything else |
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| 10:33.25 | incorrect | openbsd with the connection stateful failover seems interesting to look at one day |
| 10:33.48 | jm_ | ourbbs: Debian's kernels have all those options enabled |
| 10:34.08 | ourbbs | how do i get tc ect then |
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| 10:34.48 | jm_ | get what? |
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| 10:35.33 | tarzeau | incorrect: try debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd topic |
| 10:35.45 | ourbbs | i have a script to shape my adsl to the other computers but TC a program i guess is not on my computer |
| 10:35.57 | tarzeau | incorrect: you'll get apt-get and binary packages with a freebsd kernel but gnu c library |
| 10:35.59 | jm_ | so install it |
| 10:36.00 | incorrect | tarzeau i have a spare machine, i think ill get debian going on this laptop first |
| 10:36.30 | ourbbs | do you know how is it just apt-get install tc |
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| 10:37.43 | jm_ | ourbbs: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:42.08 | ourbbs | w |
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| 10:42.56 | bengrubb | im getting this eror when restarting apache |
| 10:43.29 | bengrubb | http://pastebin.com/705022 |
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| 10:46.44 | bengrubb | nvm i think i know why |
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| 10:46.44 | ourbbs | tc is part of the package iproute |
| 10:47.14 | bengrubb | *fixed* |
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| 10:48.03 | bengrubb | ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ what is the modules name i am activating? |
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| 10:48.13 | bengrubb | userdir ? |
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| 10:48.39 | kevin_ | hi all; Ive got a keyboard layout problem I cant fix.. anyone? |
| 10:49.04 | bengrubb | nvm lol fixecd again |
| 10:49.04 | frank | bengrubb: a2enmod userdir |
| 10:49.08 | bengrubb | thanks |
| 10:49.09 | bengrubb | frank |
| 10:49.15 | kevin_ | using debian testing with UK keyboard layout |
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| 10:49.41 | kevin_ | whenever I try to type a double-quote, a quote, or a tilde I have to hit it twice.. |
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| 10:51.11 | kevin_ | and the character that appears isn a ¨proper¨ double-quote |
| 10:51.36 | dos000 | is there a way a to have live cd that would allow somone (non technical) to boot the cd and me romotely being able to ssh into the booted box ? |
| 10:51.49 | jm_ | dos000: Knoppix |
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| 10:52.58 | dos000 | jm_, how does it open the ssh ? |
| 10:54.03 | jm_ | dos000: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Hd_Install_Without_a_Monitor_HowTo has sample commands |
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| 10:54.18 | kevin_ | Can anyone offer any help at all with my keyboard layout woes? |
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| 10:55.53 | dos000 | jm_, i know about knoppix .. i am just wondering if we are talking about the same thing. basically the remote user is non technical. to give him technical support all i want is for him to download a minimal cd and boot it. |
| 10:55.56 | blondie | is there any way to update group membership without logging out and back in again? |
| 10:56.04 | jm_ | kevin_: perhaps you have compose key enabled |
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| 10:56.23 | kevin_ | jm_: where do I disable that? |
| 10:56.26 | jm_ | dos000: in that case you can prepare customized Knoppix CD if they are not able to type 5 commands |
| 10:56.36 | jm_ | kevin_: drxx doesn't ask about it? |
| 10:57.00 | jm_ | blondie: yes |
| 10:57.05 | atsi | could someone tell me how to change the boring monocolour in the console? so everytime i do ls i could see files and folders having two different colours. |
| 10:57.13 | blondie | jm_: how? |
| 10:57.18 | jm_ | blondie: man sg |
| 10:57.36 | blondie | that's a no then |
| 10:57.38 | jm_ | atsi: ls can colourize output if you tell it to |
| 10:57.46 | kevin_ | jm_: drxx ? |
| 10:57.46 | jm_ | actually no, it's not a no, it's a yes |
| 10:57.50 | atsi | jm_, how? |
| 10:57.53 | jm_ | !drxx kevin_ |
| 10:57.53 | dpkg | kevin_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:57.59 | jm_ | atsi: ls --color=auto |
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| 10:58.27 | atsi | jm_, i would like to have it permantly and not only once |
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| 10:58.41 | dos000 | jm_, the user is prob behind a nat/firewall so th hd install link is for someone on the local lan .. no ? |
| 10:58.48 | jm_ | atsi: so uncomment it in your shell startup files |
| 10:58.49 | kevin_ | dpkg: xmd5 |
| 10:58.49 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 10:58.51 | liable | atsi: .bashrc |
| 10:59.07 | atsi | liable, ok what shall i change there? |
| 10:59.16 | jm_ | dos000: you can't write a document like that that will work for everyone |
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| 10:59.24 | liable | atsi: read the file and do as jm_ said, uncomment it |
| 10:59.31 | blondie | jm_: it doesn't update the group membership, it just runs something as another group |
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| 10:59.41 | atsi | liable, ok thanks |
| 10:59.54 | jm_ | blondie: it also mentions this fancy newgrp command |
| 11:00.16 | dos000 | jm_, exactly .. my question was for someone not on the local lan. sorry for not making it clear |
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| 11:00.44 | blondie | jm_: I don't think that does it either -- it just does it in a new "session" |
| 11:01.11 | jm_ | blondie: that would be because it's the only way to do it |
| 11:01.19 | blondie | jm_: so the answer is "no" :) |
| 11:01.25 | jm_ | dos000: it would be exactly the same |
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| 11:01.47 | jm_ | blondie: no, it's yes, you don't have to logout and login again using newgrp |
| 11:02.03 | blondie | it doesn't "update group membership" though |
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| 11:02.26 | dos000 | jm_ except he has to open ssh into his firewall nat and map it to the ip of his booted box |
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| 11:02.31 | jm_ | it does, you add yourself to a new group, you run newgrp, et voila, you can do whatever requiring being in this group needs it |
| 11:02.49 | marco13185 | what's a good vnc server? |
| 11:02.54 | blondie | I don't agree that that's "updating group membership" |
| 11:03.00 | WaruiInu | i have a question ethernet related, thatn debian one, do you guys know a way to get ethernet conectivity on cooper on long distances, like 500 meters or something? |
| 11:03.02 | jm_ | dos000: that's the part that you won't be able to explain to someone who doesn't know how to use iptables |
| 11:03.04 | cire | Is there a program which checks my mp3 filenames, and tries to find them in a database (cddb?), so that it may sort them by genre? |
| 11:03.09 | jm_ | I don't agree that you don't agree ;) |
| 11:03.25 | dos000 | jm_ , ergo my question ! |
| 11:03.29 | WaruiInu | cire: amarok is a player wich can do lots of things |
| 11:04.40 | jm_ | dos000: so you're expecting to find a bootable CD that will automatically change firewall configuration for clueless people for hundreds of available firewall solutions out there? |
| 11:05.06 | PenguinL0v3r | hi |
| 11:05.09 | cire | Waruilnu: I don't want to sort my mp3s in a player's database - changing the player means loss of information... Is it able to move my files into certain genre-directories? |
| 11:05.15 | PenguinL0v3r | I've got a question. |
| 11:05.44 | PenguinL0v3r | Is there any way to check incoming and outgoing programs |
| 11:05.47 | PenguinL0v3r | ? |
| 11:05.54 | dos000 | jm_, nop .. something that will boot and create a vpn to my local net so i can access it directly ! i am sure this cd would be a security nightmare tho |
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| 11:06.20 | PenguinL0v3r | like which ports are opened and which ports are closed. |
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| 11:06.31 | jm_ | dos000: ahh, I would just create a custom CD for that |
| 11:06.46 | PenguinL0v3r | hello |
| 11:07.00 | dos000 | jm_ i was hoping some white hats has already done it ! |
| 11:07.20 | PenguinL0v3r | anybody can help me? |
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| 11:07.57 | cire | PenguinL0v3r: netstat? |
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| 11:08.26 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks, cipmib |
| 11:08.30 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks, cire |
| 11:08.43 | PenguinL0v3r | but I would like to do one more thing. |
| 11:08.54 | jm_ | dos000: well you'd at least have to put your certifcates on it |
| 11:08.59 | PenguinL0v3r | like which ip address is trying to access which ports of my machine etc. |
| 11:09.18 | PenguinL0v3r | and save the log file if it can be done |
| 11:09.30 | PenguinL0v3r | I think it is more on firewall stuff |
| 11:09.32 | jm_ | PenguinL0v3r: tools like iptraf, jnettop, tcpdump, firewall can also log connections |
| 11:09.46 | PenguinL0v3r | wait a moment |
| 11:09.54 | dos000 | jm_, i know but even a howto, tutorial would be cool. i am surprised there is no such cd. |
| 11:09.54 | PenguinL0v3r | let me record down your programs |
| 11:10.11 | jm_ | dos000: I am not |
| 11:10.14 | PenguinL0v3r | iptraf, jnettop, tcpdump <--- are they firewall programs? |
| 11:10.44 | PenguinL0v3r | i checked those program. It is not built in my debian |
| 11:10.50 | Dewi | PenguinL0v3r: you might run them on a firewall but they do not comprise a firewall |
| 11:11.07 | PenguinL0v3r | Are they opensource softwares? |
| 11:11.11 | PenguinL0v3r | Dewi |
| 11:11.14 | Dewi | PenguinL0v3r: are you a bot? |
| 11:11.16 | jm_ | they are all available as Debian packages |
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| 11:11.20 | PenguinL0v3r | what is bot? |
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| 11:12.04 | PenguinL0v3r | i dont know i am a bot or not. |
| 11:12.09 | Dewi | nevermind :) |
| 11:12.14 | PenguinL0v3r | but definitely I just started to use Linux last month |
| 11:12.18 | PenguinL0v3r | very new |
| 11:12.38 | PenguinL0v3r | I want to protect my computer from crackers. |
| 11:12.46 | PenguinL0v3r | thats why I am asking those questions. |
| 11:13.21 | cire | PenguinL0v3r: is your computer connected directly with the internet? |
| 11:13.26 | PenguinL0v3r | no |
| 11:13.28 | PenguinL0v3r | through proxy |
| 11:13.38 | PenguinL0v3r | why? |
| 11:13.43 | cire | I mean, is there a router in between? |
| 11:13.47 | marco13185 | any good vnc servers in debian? |
| 11:13.50 | PenguinL0v3r | Yes I think so |
| 11:14.00 | PenguinL0v3r | I am using from university campus |
| 11:14.01 | blondie | vnc servers aren't that good |
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| 11:14.04 | cire | because in this case, your router is the primary aim of attackers. |
| 11:14.12 | jm_ | marco13185: why don't you list available ones and decide for yourself if they're good or not? |
| 11:14.12 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 11:14.13 | blondie | PenguinL0v3r? that sounds a bit illegal |
| 11:14.17 | Bylie | hey all got a little question how easy is it to convert an existing project (php) on a webserver to a subversion repo? |
| 11:14.19 | cire | is it a hardware router? |
| 11:14.29 | PenguinL0v3r | what do you mean, blondie? |
| 11:14.31 | blondie | cire: all routers are software |
| 11:14.45 | blondie | c.c |
| 11:14.46 | cire | blondie: I know, but you know why I am asking... |
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| 11:14.55 | blondie | PenguinL0v3r: beastiality |
| 11:14.57 | blondie | nevermind |
| 11:15.01 | PenguinL0v3r | ? |
| 11:15.03 | blondie | I was being silly |
| 11:15.11 | marco13185 | is x11-vnc good? |
| 11:15.20 | PenguinL0v3r | <--confused :D |
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| 11:15.57 | PenguinL0v3r | My question is : what firewall software is good ? |
| 11:16.11 | blondie | linux |
| 11:16.12 | PenguinL0v3r | I used to use "ZoneAlarm" in windows |
| 11:16.22 | cklaus | Bylie .. first, #subversion might be a good place to ask svn-related stuff.. second, its as complex or as easy as your existing project is ,) --> usually: extract all code, add it to a repository.. your done |
| 11:16.46 | blondie | PenguinL0v3r: iptables |
| 11:16.55 | Bylie | ok thx will look there |
| 11:17.08 | jethro | PenguinL0v3r: netfilter is the "firewall" for linux. there are several ways to handle the rulesets. iptables is the command line one, and there are GUI too, like shorewall, fwbuilder, etc... |
| 11:17.21 | PenguinL0v3r | which one do you recommend? |
| 11:17.35 | PenguinL0v3r | I might be ended up using only one. |
| 11:17.49 | blondie | it's all built-in to the linux kernel |
| 11:17.51 | jethro | PenguinL0v3r: if you're new to linux, you might want a gui one. I have never used those, so I can't recommend any. try them :) |
| 11:17.51 | PenguinL0v3r | My needs are I want to monitor which IPs are trying to access my IP |
| 11:18.01 | blondie | that's not what a firewall does |
| 11:18.02 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 11:18.20 | blondie | firewalls block connections etc, not just monitor them |
| 11:18.32 | PenguinL0v3r | so how to monitor? |
| 11:18.37 | jethro | well firewalls can log too blondie. |
| 11:18.38 | PenguinL0v3r | incoming and outgoing traffics? |
| 11:18.58 | blondie | jethro: I didn't say they couldn't |
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| 11:20.20 | PenguinL0v3r | Have you ever tried to monitor incoming and outgoing traffics under Linux? |
| 11:20.29 | nix | hello. i have a pretty disturbing problem. |
| 11:20.36 | PenguinL0v3r | Not a testing question. But sincerely want to know how to do it. |
| 11:20.40 | nix | one of our sarge boxes has been infected with the slapper worm. |
| 11:20.41 | jethro | PenguinL0v3r: monitoring traffic is rather vague. |
| 11:20.57 | PenguinL0v3r | jethro, what do you mean exactly |
| 11:21.20 | nix | funny thing is that this slapper worm isnt supposed to find any vulnerabilities in the openssl version in sarge. however it did, and it got root as wel. |
| 11:21.28 | jethro | PenguinL0v3r: well that could be monitoring access to your network services, or just monitoring the packets coming to your machine. |
| 11:21.46 | PenguinL0v3r | no |
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| 11:21.55 | PenguinL0v3r | I meant just very high level |
| 11:21.57 | nix | does anyone know about a newer version of this Slapper worm? |
| 11:22.18 | PenguinL0v3r | like which programs are trying to go out |
| 11:22.27 | PenguinL0v3r | and which programs are trying to go in. |
| 11:22.42 | PenguinL0v3r | and which IP address is trying to access etc |
| 11:22.55 | PenguinL0v3r | pretty general from a normal user point of view. |
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| 11:22.58 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: you could set up iptables rules to log new connections |
| 11:22.59 | jethro | PenguinL0v3r: I don't think a linux desktop can do this. |
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| 11:23.29 | nix | so noone's interested in a new linux worm? |
| 11:23.31 | nix | ok. |
| 11:23.35 | PenguinL0v3r | What kind of thinkg iptables can do? |
| 11:23.36 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: you can also sort of use netstat for that. |
| 11:23.56 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: the answer to that is a book. Ask google. |
| 11:23.59 | jethro | PenguinL0v3r: it allows you to build your filtering policy and eventually NAT rules. |
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| 11:24.26 | PenguinL0v3r | which one, jethro? |
| 11:24.31 | PenguinL0v3r | iptables or netstat? |
| 11:24.36 | jethro | iptables. |
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| 11:24.40 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 11:25.01 | PenguinL0v3r | another question |
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| 11:25.10 | PenguinL0v3r | Have you ever tried openssh? |
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| 11:25.15 | cod | hi! |
| 11:25.22 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: iptables is not trvial. netstat -nlp is less useful but easier |
| 11:25.27 | PenguinL0v3r | i see |
| 11:25.36 | jethro | oh my. |
| 11:25.37 | PenguinL0v3r | phogg, I will do googling on that |
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| 11:25.55 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks for your info |
| 11:25.59 | PenguinL0v3r | I want to ask one more |
| 11:26.02 | PenguinL0v3r | that is ssh |
| 11:26.05 | PenguinL0v3r | or openssh |
| 11:26.18 | phogg | iptables -A OUTPUT -m state --state NEW -j LOG # log all new connections going out from this machine |
| 11:26.27 | PenguinL0v3r | phogg, thanks. |
| 11:26.32 | PenguinL0v3r | let me record down in my notebook |
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| 11:27.09 | lgd_ | hi all are there american people in this chan? |
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| 11:27.34 | phogg | !tell lgd_ about poll |
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| 11:27.40 | vladi_ | hi, i am trying to compile oTcl from source and when I run ./configure I get the following error: |
| 11:27.43 | PenguinL0v3r | phogg, How about log all new connections going IN to this machine? |
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| 11:28.15 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: Change OUTPUT to INPUT. But seriously, get an iptables howto or book or something |
| 11:28.22 | PenguinL0v3r | sure |
| 11:28.28 | vladi_ | checking for ranlib... ranlib |
| 11:28.28 | vladi_ | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c |
| 11:28.29 | vladi_ | checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 5993: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 11:28.29 | vladi_ | ./configure: line 5993: ` case `(ac_space=' '; set | grep ac_space) 2>&1` in' |
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| 11:28.34 | PenguinL0v3r | definitely I will look into it later on. |
| 11:28.45 | liable | vladi_: DONT PASTE |
| 11:28.55 | lgd_ | vladi_: search in google |
| 11:28.58 | PenguinL0v3r | have you done openssh?, phogg |
| 11:29.01 | vladi_ | i did search already heh |
| 11:29.02 | PenguinL0v3r | *tried |
| 11:29.03 | lgd_ | paste your code error in google |
| 11:29.12 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: define 'tried' |
| 11:29.14 | lgd_ | last line |
| 11:29.18 | PenguinL0v3r | aww |
| 11:29.25 | PenguinL0v3r | sorry for my wrong word |
| 11:29.39 | PenguinL0v3r | I meant "did you use openssh?" |
| 11:29.48 | PenguinL0v3r | I am trying to do that. |
| 11:29.54 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: it's difficult to have a Linux distribution that doesn't have ssh |
| 11:29.58 | vladi_ | i did that, read through a bunch of mailing lists,found one post that said to remove the '`' and that got rid of that specific error but it dies at the end of the ./configure due to an "unexpected end of file" |
| 11:30.03 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
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| 11:30.08 | lgd_ | PenguinL0v3r: i use ssh |
| 11:30.15 | vladi_ | the thing is, at work it worked fine on RHEL4 |
| 11:30.18 | PenguinL0v3r | which one is better? |
| 11:30.36 | vladi_ | with the same configure file, so i'm not sure why its not working at home, since our work systems have outdated packages on them |
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| 11:30.42 | PenguinL0v3r | is it easy to use? |
| 11:30.58 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: there are some implementations of ssh that are not openssh, but they all suck. In the real world there is only openssh. |
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| 11:31.24 | PenguinL0v3r | i see |
| 11:31.31 | PenguinL0v3r | so you recommend openssh? |
| 11:31.38 | PenguinL0v3r | i typed "ssh" in my debian |
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| 11:31.45 | PenguinL0v3r | there is "ssh" |
| 11:31.52 | PenguinL0v3r | and I typed "openssh" |
| 11:31.57 | PenguinL0v3r | but there is not "openssh" |
| 11:32.15 | PenguinL0v3r | do i need to install openssh ? |
| 11:32.19 | RichiH | ssh is openssh |
| 11:32.19 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: man ssh |
| 11:32.24 | PenguinL0v3r | i see |
| 11:32.30 | PenguinL0v3r | yea |
| 11:32.31 | lgd_ | PenguinL0v3r: there is openssh-cliente and server |
| 11:32.32 | PenguinL0v3r | true |
| 11:32.36 | RichiH | (most likely, at least) |
| 11:32.38 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 11:32.43 | lgd_ | have you need client or server? |
| 11:32.46 | liable | PenguinL0v3r: learn how to use apt-cache search and show |
| 11:32.54 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 11:33.05 | PenguinL0v3r | so in order to use openssh |
| 11:33.10 | PenguinL0v3r | one machine must be server |
| 11:33.15 | RichiH | yes |
| 11:33.19 | PenguinL0v3r | and one machine must be client right? |
| 11:33.24 | lgd_ | ok |
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| 11:33.32 | lgd_ | but you search the pkg |
| 11:33.35 | phogg | RichiH: Does Debian package any other ssh? I don't see an alternative for it. |
| 11:33.35 | blondie | you could ssh to the local machine if you liked :P |
| 11:33.35 | PenguinL0v3r | so how can i checked I have enabled my machine to be server? |
| 11:33.42 | lgd_ | apt-cache search name_pkg |
| 11:34.12 | RichiH | phogg: i am not sure off the top of my head. but if there is one, it will only be in use by a tiny fraction of debian users |
| 11:34.16 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 11:34.46 | PenguinL0v3r | after i have installed it, do i need to configure? |
| 11:34.54 | phogg | PenguinL0v3r: no |
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| 11:35.02 | PenguinL0v3r | i checked that command |
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| 11:35.10 | PenguinL0v3r | Debian said I have already installed it |
| 11:35.15 | PenguinL0v3r | and it is the newest. |
| 11:35.37 | lgd_ | PenguinL0v3r: learn use ssh with the manual |
| 11:35.43 | PenguinL0v3r | sure |
| 11:35.53 | PenguinL0v3r | can I access my Debain box from windows? |
| 11:35.55 | PenguinL0v3r | using openssh? |
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| 11:36.22 | lgd_ | yes |
| 11:36.34 | lgd_ | with putty |
| 11:36.34 | PenguinL0v3r | i see |
| 11:36.36 | PenguinL0v3r | putty |
| 11:36.39 | PenguinL0v3r | i see |
| 11:36.45 | lgd_ | in the openssh siteweb there are all |
| 11:36.54 | PenguinL0v3r | ok |
| 11:37.00 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks guys |
| 11:37.00 | lgd_ | PenguinL0v3r: are you american? |
| 11:37.04 | PenguinL0v3r | no i am not |
| 11:37.10 | PenguinL0v3r | i am an asian |
| 11:37.12 | lgd_ | =/ DOH |
| 11:37.15 | lgd_ | asian wow |
| 11:37.29 | PenguinL0v3r | thats all from me |
| 11:37.32 | PenguinL0v3r | thanks for your time |
| 11:37.33 | lgd_ | have you see poweriser? |
| 11:37.34 | Angels2 | Is there a command which show details about a user (f.e. userlongname, usergroup, usershell... etc) |
| 11:37.47 | js_ | grep user /etc/passwd |
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| 11:38.09 | R-Ratones | finger $USER |
| 11:38.12 | Angels2 | js_ i love you, thanks :P |
| 11:38.24 | blondie | finger shows less/different information |
| 11:38.24 | lgd_ | PenguinL0v3r: know you poweriser? |
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| 11:39.09 | rpt | what do i need to restart to take /etc/resolv.conf changes into effect? ifup eth0 or networking restart maden o difference |
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| 11:39.37 | nix | well, this new version of the slapper worm is running rampage on my sarge box. looks like a reinstall. |
| 11:39.54 | js_ | nix: slapper worm? |
| 11:39.54 | liable | rpt: they take effect immediately without restarting anything |
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| 11:40.08 | nix | well noone seemed interested earlier. my sarge box got rooted overnight |
| 11:40.11 | tejing | anyone know how to make a Makefile so that it doesn't delete the intermediate files from targets it creates in order to include them? |
| 11:40.17 | rpt | liable: hum dont seem that way as i cant resolve anything :x |
| 11:40.21 | nix | its identical to what the slapper worm does. so i am guessing someone coded a new version. |
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| 11:40.50 | raf256 | every time I masturbate, |
| 11:40.54 | raf256 | god kills a kitten. |
| 11:40.57 | rpt | also, how can I prevent eth1's dynamic ip setup messing with resolv.conf, always puts some shit internal ip there |
| 11:41.00 | raf256 | What happens every time I donate to Debian? |
| 11:41.07 | nix | its adding code to all the commonly used files in /bin. like ls true rm echo cat and so on |
| 11:41.15 | raf256 | like, God spawns an unicorn or something? |
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| 11:41.46 | raf256 | or RMS spawns a goat? |
| 11:41.54 | morph_ | trrr |
| 11:42.12 | vladi_ | hrm, which build tools do ./configure scripts usually depend on? perhaps I am missing one or some of mine are outdated |
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| 11:42.59 | tejing | vladi_: .configure scripts are usually pretty portable... what kind of errors are you getting? |
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| 11:43.02 | jm_ | vladi_: install build-essential |
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| 11:43.18 | tejing | vladi_: or do that |
| 11:43.23 | liable | nix: how do you know its doing that? |
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| 11:44.26 | vladi_ | the error i am getting: "checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 5993: syntax error near unexpected tolen '(' |
| 11:44.53 | nix | liable: by all the evidence i am gathering. |
| 11:44.57 | vladi_ | ./configure: line 5993: ` case `(ac_space=' '; set | grep ac_space) 2<&1` in' |
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| 11:45.23 | nix | liable: ls segfaults. therefore ls got infected. i scp'd a proper ls from another box to the infected and chattr +i ls. now whenever i run *any* of the changed files, they replace them. |
| 11:46.04 | rpt | where does this virus get on your comp? |
| 11:46.07 | rpt | normally anwyay |
| 11:46.17 | rpt | or worm even |
| 11:46.20 | nix | that behaviour is what the slapper worm does. also, i was stracing a process and it was showing a GET ~/telcom69/gov.php. if I google on that i get even more pointers to linux viruses. |
| 11:46.45 | nix | i suspect through some lame piece of php customer code. the real question is how the hell it got root. |
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| 11:49.30 | nix | anyway, with the correctly working ls, i witness that whenever i ran chmod or echo or true or any of the dozen commonly used tools, all the ctimes on those files in /bin were getting updated. |
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| 11:49.54 | nix | ive killed all processes and reinstalled debianutils + coreutils but something is still infecting them. |
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| 11:51.52 | nix | and again |
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| 11:52.28 | nix | it replaces vdir stty sleep rmdir rm readlink pwd mv mknod mkdir ln false dir df dd date cp chown chgrp uname touch tempfile sync and run-parts. |
| 11:52.44 | nix | its a royal pain in the ass |
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| 11:53.20 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 11:54.02 | yassine | i just used aptitude to install php-db and im wondering where is it now since its not loaded on my php env any help will be apreciated! |
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| 11:58.04 | jm_ | yassine: list the contents of the package then |
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| 12:02.04 | RvGaTe | simple question: ls *.bsp > maplist.txt, writes a txt file, but writes it WITH extension, how do i write the same list, without the extensions |
| 12:02.46 | rpt | RvGaTe: you mean a file without an extension or lists the bsp filenames without the .bsp extension? :p |
| 12:03.13 | RvGaTe | rpt: was thinking you guys might think about that, im talking about the content of the generated .txt |
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| 12:04.12 | rpt | RvGaTe: dont really know how to do that, but it wouldnt be much of a job to just edit the maplist.txt and find&replace all *.bsp into nothing :) |
| 12:04.35 | RvGaTe | true |
| 12:05.02 | yassine | jm_, how can achieve that ? |
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| 12:05.48 | petemc | yassine: dpkg -L php-db |
| 12:06.15 | yassine | petemc, thanks |
| 12:07.59 | nix | ok. so how would I go about reinstalling every binary there is? |
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| 12:08.21 | petemc | nix: from the sound of it, you might be better with a complete reinstall |
| 12:08.29 | rpt | nix: i wouldnt even bother, propably just easier to backup important stuff safely and do a complete reinstall :) |
| 12:08.45 | yassine | petemc, its strange i have added the directory needed into my include statment in the php.ini but still gets DB Error: extension not found |
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| 12:09.20 | nix | i will take my chances with reinstalling the binaries first. |
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| 12:09.51 | kepht | RvGaTe: ls *.bsp | sed -e "s/[.]bsp//" > maplist.txt |
| 12:10.41 | RvGaTe | hmm, thx :) |
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| 12:11.37 | nexus6 | hi everyone.... can anyone help me... is there a channel on this server about X-Chat... ?? |
| 12:12.57 | phogg | + |
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| 12:13.28 | Ronin | nexus6: likely #xchat |
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| 12:13.56 | honschu | Does Richard Stallman ever maintained a kernel? |
| 12:14.17 | petemc | honschu: he would have had something to do with hurd |
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| 12:15.04 | usn_work | hi folx |
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| 12:15.09 | nexus6 | tnx... :D |
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| 12:20.31 | MatBoy | guys, some days ago I asked about a very nice interface for SFTP or SCP and I found something very nice for KDE now |
| 12:20.51 | MatBoy | I would advise KFTPGrabbere for it ! |
| 12:20.54 | MatBoy | -e |
| 12:21.04 | petemc | konqueror should do sftp://user@host |
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| 12:25.24 | Chameleon22 | is there an eqivalant to perls chomp or php trim in bash? |
| 12:25.31 | nix | cut |
| 12:25.45 | Chameleon22 | thanx |
| 12:25.48 | Chameleon22 | thanks |
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| 12:26.59 | Chameleon22 | nix, no that doesnt seem to be it |
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| 12:29.29 | nix | Chameleon22: explain what you want to do |
| 12:29.53 | Chameleon22 | same as chomp |
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| 12:30.09 | Chameleon22 | but in bash |
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| 12:30.13 | linnuxxy | why there is not apt-get install ingres or maxdb, they are a real enterprise DBMSs? |
| 12:30.24 | Chameleon22 | stuff it will write in perl |
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| 12:31.15 | miranda83 | hello guys, how can i check if i addedd correctly a line to the crontab file? i mean, the program seems to not be executed |
| 12:32.12 | nix | Chameleon22: i dont see how cut wouldn't cut it. explain. |
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| 12:33.50 | spo0nman | miranda83: tail -f /var/log/cron if it happens frequently. cron should have mailed you about it. |
| 12:34.12 | miranda83 | no file |
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| 12:35.28 | spo0nman | miranda83: tail -f /var/log/cron.log |
| 12:36.01 | petemc | theres a cron.log? |
| 12:36.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:36.05 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:36.11 | petemc | cron stuff goes in syslog... |
| 12:36.35 | miranda83 | yeah surely |
| 12:36.41 | miranda83 | cuz cron.log does not exist |
| 12:36.47 | joloc | hi, my X server always dies shortly after login with gdm (during Gnome startup). no errors reported in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. ~/.xsession-errors reports lost connection to display :0.0. any ideas? |
| 12:36.51 | joloc | this happened after gdm upgrade which removed everything from gdm.conf except section headings; also one X-related package upgrade was aborted (don't remember which), i simply repeated the dist-upgrade. |
| 12:37.12 | tarzeau | joloc: checked BTS yet? |
| 12:37.20 | joloc | tarzeau: no. |
| 12:37.29 | miranda83 | can i add the sscript directly in cron.hourly folder???? |
| 12:37.51 | petemc | miranda83: i do all my cron stuff in /etc/crontab , fwiw |
| 12:37.54 | tarzeau | joloc: which gdm version? |
| 12:37.58 | spo0nman | miranda83: crontab -e |
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| 12:38.21 | joloc | tarzeau: 2.14.5-1 |
| 12:38.37 | spo0nman | petemc: forgot my current box was BSD. |
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| 12:39.52 | miranda83 | spo0nman, do i need to restart cron or something? |
| 12:40.02 | spo0nman | miranda83: no. |
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| 12:40.34 | joloc | tarzeau: i wonder if maybe a `/etc/gdm/defaults.conf' file is required, which i haven't. (before, everything was specified in gdm.conf, no it seems to be the place for customisations only.) |
| 12:40.47 | joloc | tarzeau: s/no/now/ |
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| 12:41.40 | spo0nman | miranda83:crontab -l will shou you your crontab. |
| 12:41.50 | ciroro | hi, I have a .config option for my 2.4.27 kernel (CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848) which is visible in .config, but I can't find it in menuconfig; how can I find what I need to enable first in menuconfig? |
| 12:43.04 | petemc | ciroro: the title of the section its in should be a few lines up from the option, usually |
| 12:43.54 | Tassium | ciroro: Does "BTTV" sound right? That's a WAG. |
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| 12:43.55 | ciroro | petemc: yes, that's "Video for linux" and it's enabled; some other options in that section actually do show up |
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| 12:44.13 | ciroro | Tassium: yes, it's bttv; what is WAG? |
| 12:44.26 | jm_ | menuconfig in 2.6 supports searching, check if the same works in 2.4 too |
| 12:44.42 | Tassium | ciroro: Wild Ass Guess |
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| 12:45.11 | Tassium | ciroro: See also http://www.dis.uniroma1.it/~iocchi/bt848/ |
| 12:45.19 | miranda83 | spo0nman, thx it works |
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| 12:46.47 | ciroro | Tassium: okay, those bt848 drivers could work too, but i'd like to compile that bt848 module |
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| 12:47.17 | ciroro | jm_: I can't find searching and I know the section it should appear in, but it doesn't |
| 12:47.29 | ciroro | isn't there a general rulesfile that determines when sections are visible and when not? |
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| 12:49.01 | jm_ | ciroro: / doesn't work? note that some options depend on other options |
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| 12:49.15 | ciroro | I found something on http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0410.2/2260.html , where do those "config" and "depends on" lines come from? |
| 12:49.24 | ciroro | jm_: no, doesn't work, I'm sorry :) |
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| 12:49.57 | StriderZ | is there a reason why I can't contact any debian servers right now? |
| 12:50.30 | Ronin | StriderZ: what error/messages are you getting |
| 12:50.30 | cr3 | on my installation of debian sarge, I have /usr/share/dict/words pointing to /etc/dictionaries-common/words which doesn't seem to exist, even apt-file search can't find it. |
| 12:50.44 | jm_ | ciroro: I don't remember how it was in 2.4 |
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| 12:51.13 | _MiTo_ | anyone else got problems with fglrx for xorg 7.0.16 ??? ati radeon |
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| 12:51.30 | _MiTo_ | I've compiled the module with m-a and it went fine |
| 12:51.41 | StriderZ | Ronin: Error: RETR response: 550 |
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| 12:51.42 | _MiTo_ | but all I get when I start some game ie, is messed up picture |
| 12:51.44 | Tassium | cr3: On my box, /etc/dictionaries-common/words is a symlink to /usr/share/dict/iamerican-english |
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| 12:52.07 | StriderZ | Ronin: I can't ping ftp.debian.org...it says I'm pinging 0.0.0.0. |
| 12:52.18 | cr3 | Tassium: cheers, I didn't notice. that's a good enough indication for me to know what to do :) |
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| 12:52.52 | Tassium | StriderZ: Check your DNS - ftp.debian.org resolves fine for me |
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| 12:53.14 | Ronin | StriderZ: check dns, never mind heh |
| 12:53.24 | StriderZ | Tassium: I tried running apt-spy, but it refuses to return any valid results |
| 12:53.25 | cesarstafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.26 | cesarstafe | PING ftp.debian.org (128.101.240.212) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 12:53.26 | cesarstafe | 64 bytes from debian-mirror.mirror.umn.edu (128.101.240.212): |
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| 12:53.47 | Ronin | StriderZ: for shits and giggles ping it by ip |
| 12:53.51 | cr3 | Tassium: maybe I spoke too soon. I installed iamerican and /etc/dictionaries-common/words still doesn't exist :( |
| 12:54.20 | cr3 | Tassium: can you let me know what this command returns on your box: dpkg -S /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 12:54.25 | StriderZ | Ronin: works fine |
| 12:54.33 | StriderZ | WTF |
| 12:54.35 | Tassium | cr3: Not found |
| 12:54.40 | Ronin | then like Tassium said check your dns settings |
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| 12:55.07 | cr3 | Tassium: strange, and yet the file exists on your system :( |
| 12:55.29 | Tassium | cr3: Do you have any packages that didn't finish configuring? |
| 12:55.37 | jon787 | ummm why does ftp.debian.org resolve to 0.0.0.0? |
| 12:55.44 | StriderZ | Ronin: comcast's DNS servers must be bugging out, but why is apt-spy still not giving me valid results? Does it need ftp.debian.org? |
| 12:55.49 | cr3 | Tassium: I wouldn't see why, I haven't interrupted any package installations |
| 12:56.02 | jon787 | well according to one of the debian DNS servers atleast... |
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| 12:56.34 | cr3 | jon787: is ftp.debian.org in your hosts file? |
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| 12:57.15 | jon787 | cr3: no, I just used dig to check the 4 DNS servers, according to saens.debian.org ftp.debian.org is at 0.0.0.0 |
| 12:57.23 | jon787 | I noticed this when I tried to update |
| 12:57.38 | jon787 | the other 3 are fine |
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| 12:58.08 | Tassium | jon787: Damn you're fast - I thought I digged that fast enough :( |
| 12:58.16 | DaBlade | Hello |
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| 12:58.30 | StriderZ | Alls I need is a valid sources.list....apt-spy seems to have obliterated mine...customizations and all...didn't even leave me a backup |
| 12:58.31 | DaBlade | Do any of you know how I can make Firefox open magnet:// links with Azureus? |
| 12:58.43 | DaBlade | StriderZ: I can DCC you mine |
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| 12:58.58 | Ronin | StriderZ: apt-setup? |
| 12:59.13 | StriderZ | don't have that |
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| 12:59.22 | DaBlade | StriderZ: Want mine? |
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| 12:59.37 | Ronin | DaBlade: are you running the same release of debian that StriderZ is |
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| 12:59.41 | StriderZ | DaBlade: don't have dcc |
| 12:59.51 | Azar | :) |
| 12:59.53 | StriderZ | I'm running some mixture of unstable/testing LOL |
| 12:59.53 | DaBlade | Ronin: I use Etch, I don't know what he uses. |
| 12:59.56 | Ronin | dont have dcc? sure you so StriderZ |
| 13:00.03 | Azar | then you got LOL |
| 13:00.06 | DaBlade | Ronin: Either way, all he needs to do is change to stable or sid in the text file |
| 13:00.06 | Ronin | basic irc command |
| 13:00.14 | DaBlade | StriderZ: MEPIS? |
| 13:00.21 | StriderZ | Ronin: I think I need to forward a port on my router to make it work, don't I? |
| 13:01.10 | DaBlade | StriderZ: Here's mine: http://pastebin.com/705201 |
| 13:01.15 | ciroro | how can I see what motherboard is in my box (without opening it :])? |
| 13:01.36 | Tassium | ciroro: Definitively? You need to open the box :( |
| 13:01.42 | Azar | StriderZ: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a paster for us to see? |
| 13:01.47 | jm_ | ciroro: it doesn't mention it when you boot your machine? |
| 13:01.49 | DaBlade | ciroro: You could try running the dmesg command |
| 13:01.51 | Ronin | Azar: ^^ :) |
| 13:01.57 | DaBlade | ciroro: But I doubt it'll output make/model |
| 13:02.05 | Azar | hi Ronin :) |
| 13:02.06 | DaBlade | Azar: I just handed him mine |
| 13:02.06 | ciroro | I was looking trought dmesg but couldn't find it |
| 13:02.18 | Tassium | dmesg might get you the chipset, but that won't identify the particular motherboard |
| 13:02.25 | Azar | DaBlade: I want to see his |
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| 13:02.36 | ciroro | but I guessed there was some app. that could display that; there are enough of those for win32 |
| 13:02.49 | DaBlade | Azar: He said his was "obliterated" |
| 13:02.53 | DaBlade | (Whatever he means by that) |
| 13:02.59 | DaBlade | Anyway, can anyone help me with my issue? |
| 13:03.04 | DaBlade | [15:00] <DaBlade> Do any of you know how I can make Firefox open magnet:// links with Azureus? |
| 13:03.05 | StriderZ | Azar: I would paste it if apt-spy hadns't deleted it |
| 13:03.08 | Azar | DaBlade: I want to see his sources.list |
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| 13:03.39 | Azar | StriderZ: you know, I doubt you run Debian and do not have apt-setup |
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| 13:04.14 | nathalia | testing |
| 13:04.22 | Ronin | ya i was wondering about no apt-setup myself Azar |
| 13:04.44 | Ronin | cant help you DaBlade sorry |
| 13:04.45 | Azar | Ronin: indeed, I guess bottom line, is he does not run Debian |
| 13:04.53 | StriderZ | Azar: what package is apt-setup in? |
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| 13:05.08 | StriderZ | I been running debian for years now |
| 13:05.10 | Azar | StriderZ: right in Debian , if you run Debian |
| 13:05.15 | DaBlade | Damn, anyone else? |
| 13:05.18 | jm_ | DaBlade: I don't think you can, maybe with a plugin |
| 13:05.25 | StriderZ | I've heard of apt-get, aptitude, apt-spy, even apt-file |
| 13:05.28 | StriderZ | no apt-setup |
| 13:05.38 | Ronin | StriderZ: just open a term, su, then type apt-setup |
| 13:05.39 | Azar | StriderZ: then you are not running Debian |
| 13:05.43 | DaBlade | jm_: There is no plugin |
| 13:05.53 | StriderZ | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 13:05.54 | DaBlade | jm_: I asked in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 13:05.57 | jm_ | DaBlade: yes, perhaps write one if you need it? |
| 13:06.01 | DaBlade | jm_: They told me to nag in this channel. lol |
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| 13:06.07 | Tassium | I have debian, but not apt-setup. |
| 13:06.09 | DaBlade | jm_: Me, coding..yeah, right. lol |
| 13:06.23 | DaBlade | jm_: I know almost nothing about it. lol |
| 13:06.25 | Azar | sunday night lolers |
| 13:06.27 | jm_ | Tassium: it has been removed in releases > Sarge, /msg dpkg apt-setup |
| 13:06.42 | Ronin | well that explains why StriderZ doesnt have it then |
| 13:06.49 | jm_ | DaBlade: heh then just use Copy link location in Firefox and paste it in Azureus |
| 13:06.53 | StriderZ | Ah |
| 13:06.59 | StriderZ | I knew I wasn't crazy |
| 13:07.01 | DaBlade | jm_: That's what I do |
| 13:07.02 | StriderZ | LOL |
| 13:07.07 | DaBlade | But with lots of torrents, it's annoying |
| 13:07.07 | Ronin | we'renot saying that StriderZ |
| 13:07.15 | Ronin | but /msg dpkg apt-setup |
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| 13:08.28 | nathalia | What is DaBlade trying to do, I missed the question...? |
| 13:08.46 | jm_ | he's trying to score |
| 13:08.53 | DaBlade | nathalia: [15:06:52] <DaBlade> [15:01] <DaBlade-Azzie> UPnP: Mapping 'Incoming Peer Data Port (TCP/49412)' failed |
| 13:09.02 | DaBlade | jm_: That too, but not over IRC. |
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| 13:10.12 | nathalia | <DaBlade> nathalia: [15:06:52] <DaBlade> [15:01] <DaBlade-Azzie> UPnP: |
| 13:10.12 | nathalia | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.02 | ankur | i want to create apt-source using apache. for that i have given alias as Alias /debian1/ "/debiansource/debian1/" and added "deb http://10.10.136.252/debian1/ stable/updates main contrib" in sources.list file. but it gives an error. so what more i need to modify |
| 13:12.44 | ankur | in /debiansource/debian1/ the whole dvd of debian 3.1r1 is copied. |
| 13:12.47 | Tassium | ankur: What error does "it" give you? |
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| 13:13.11 | dhuv | hello all |
| 13:13.15 | ankur | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://10.10.136.252 stable/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/10.10.136.252_debian1_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 13:13.54 | StriderZ | I need a better mirror |
| 13:14.18 | DaBlade | Shit...I pasted the wrong line to nathalia |
| 13:14.37 | DaBlade | [15:00] <DaBlade> Do any of you know how I can make Firefox open magnet:// links with Azureus? |
| 13:14.44 | DaBlade | I meant that...if anyone can help |
| 13:15.12 | jm_ | ankur: apache logfile will tell you the exact file it's trying to access |
| 13:15.16 | Tassium | DaBlade: *grin* And nathalia left.. Just what'd you paste?? |
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| 13:16.07 | der0b | are there any *good* guides covering moving mounts like /var from one patition to another that you guys could point me to? |
| 13:16.12 | DaBlade | Tassium: A paste from #azureus-support half an hour ago |
| 13:16.24 | DaBlade | Having UPnP connection problems with Azureus. |
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| 13:16.49 | jm_ | der0b: it's simply copy, edit fstab, mount in new location, but keep in mind /var might have live data |
| 13:17.18 | Tassium | der0b: Yeah, what jm said. You may want to shut the system down, boot from a rescue or livecd and do the copy and edit that way, then restart your real system |
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| 13:18.59 | der0b | thanks, cp -a should cover anything?? |
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| 13:19.45 | ankur | jm_ : looking for errors in log file. |
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| 13:22.05 | StriderZ | this is crazy. I can't seem to contact any debian mirrors |
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| 13:23.45 | YogSothoth | I'm trying to install RoR on Debian following this tutorial: http://brainspl.at/rails_stack.html Well when I try to gem install rails I got this error: http://pastebin.com/705239. I googled for it and can't find what to do ... please hel |
| 13:23.50 | YogSothoth | *help :) |
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| 13:29.08 | stoned | oh wow, I just discovered something fantastic ! |
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| 13:30.14 | stoned | You can use freedoom's doom2.wad file with jDoom engine + 3D model packs and it doesn't look like freedom graphics anymore, the jDoom texture pack turns it all into 3D versions of actual Doom/Doom2 graphics |
| 13:30.29 | StriderZ | stoned: sounds fun |
| 13:30.39 | woodland | hi how do i unmount my windows partition from debian |
| 13:30.47 | stoned | woodland, umount |
| 13:30.51 | Tassium | woodland: umount /dev/whatever |
| 13:30.55 | woodland | ok |
| 13:31.02 | stoned | it should have been unmount :/ |
| 13:31.21 | kspath | woodland: man umount |
| 13:31.48 | DaBlade | stoned: If it makes it any easier for you, ln -s /bin/umount /bin/unmount |
| 13:31.50 | DaBlade | :P |
| 13:31.53 | stoned | lol |
| 13:31.55 | stoned | I am just saying |
| 13:31.56 | dhuv | I am going to use a 3ware 9550 with 4 sata drives to install a LAMP server. I am looking to make 3 partitions (swap, os, storage) and wanted to know what your suggestions are for raid configuration) |
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| 13:32.10 | DaBlade | stoned: Well, there's nothing we can do about it |
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| 13:32.32 | stoned | DaBlade, true |
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| 13:32.57 | StriderZ | LOL! Now that I fixed sources.list, I can't remember what I was trying to install |
| 13:33.02 | dhuv | Do you think creating a raid 5 logical drive and creating partitions on that would be fast enough or should I create 3 logical drives ( 0/1 for swap, 0/1 for os, and 5 for storage) then install on those drives |
| 13:33.06 | woodland | if i format debian, what happens to the mounted windows partition ? |
| 13:33.11 | kspath | Well, if debian officially had an unmount symbolic link to umount that could be a start. |
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| 13:33.37 | dhuv | woodland: then you format debian, nothing to windows as long as you dont do anything to that partition |
| 13:33.52 | woodland | dhuv, ok |
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| 13:34.18 | dhuv | woodland: if you format during the installation, that windows partition wont be mounted |
| 13:34.23 | stoned | StriderZ, lol |
| 13:34.40 | stoned | and they make fun of me for being stoned |
| 13:34.42 | stoned | pffft |
| 13:34.43 | kspath | If you think long term than you can change even things like umount. |
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| 13:35.09 | StriderZ | damn...this sucks. I am drawing a total blank |
| 13:35.15 | stoned | its only logical, mount/unmount |
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| 13:35.35 | stoned | StriderZ, hold your breath until you feel like you could pass out, you'll remember then |
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| 13:35.55 | StriderZ | stoned: logical, but more to type, and that's why all the linux command are named retarted stuff. all about the characters |
| 13:35.57 | stoned | I don't know if its a myth, but it seems to work for me |
| 13:35.58 | kspath | stoned: Exactly, that is why it would be worthwhile for debian to start with an official symbolic link from unmount to umount |
| 13:36.16 | StriderZ | du, ls, vi, ed, df, to name a few...LOL |
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| 13:36.44 | bcs | Is 3.1r2 available for AMD64 anywhere? |
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| 13:37.08 | stoned | StriderZ, no. This would be trying to change the standard, and if debian introduces its own standard of doing things WAY more than it should, it will not be good |
| 13:37.35 | Tassium | (retarted??) |
| 13:37.51 | StriderZ | I remember when debian got hated on more than it does now. "Oh, you run debian? Ewww" LOL |
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| 13:37.57 | kspath | StriderZ: In this case umount and unmount are relatively long names. One letter is not a big difference. Support for both umount and unmount is the first step but distributions would need to make it official and support for umount would have to remain for 5-100 years, just in case. |
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| 13:38.15 | stoned | lol |
| 13:38.19 | StriderZ | LOL |
| 13:38.23 | FinkN | lol |
| 13:38.33 | FinkN | I just had to... |
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| 13:40.09 | StriderZ | damn...aptitude just tried to "downgrade" half my system.... |
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| 13:40.23 | kspath | StriderZ: Following the short name logic. Why is mount not mnt? |
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| 13:42.01 | stoned | mnt umnt works good too |
| 13:42.10 | StriderZ | kspath: cuz mt controls magnetic tape drives and they didn't want any confusion |
| 13:42.14 | stoned | I fact I like that better than mount/umount |
| 13:42.19 | stoned | or unmount* |
| 13:42.25 | foobar | Who had the great idea of having -p and -P for specifying the port in respectively ssh and scp? |
| 13:42.28 | kspath | stoned: I said mnt. |
| 13:42.41 | stoned | <stoned> mnt umnt works good too <-- what did I say? |
| 13:42.47 | kspath | striderz: I said mnt. |
| 13:42.55 | stoned | heh :) |
| 13:43.13 | Tassium | foobar: Yeah, that bit me a couple weeks ago when I was moving my domain from one machine to another |
| 13:43.17 | kspath | tab completion can be evil just as it can be good it is only a tool |
| 13:43.19 | StriderZ | kspath: they didn't want confusing with mt and mnt. One typo and next thing your know your tape driving is spewing all over the floor |
| 13:43.27 | stoned | kspath, you're a tool! |
| 13:43.33 | stoned | oooh BURN! |
| 13:43.35 | stoned | :D |
| 13:43.36 | kspath | stoned: That was a secret. |
| 13:43.42 | stoned | j/k |
| 13:43.43 | StriderZ | LOL |
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| 13:43.51 | ankur | jm_ : I have added this "deb http://10.10.136.252/debian1/" in /etc/apt/sources.list also disable all other sources. Now by running apt-get install mc i got the following error "E: Malformed line 6 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) E: The list of sources could not be read." |
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| 13:44.17 | ankur | and the apache2/error.log does not give any error |
| 13:44.56 | cire | what temperature is maximum for a laptop harddisk? (I mean, what is the maximum value you would consider to be okay) |
| 13:44.57 | stoned | kspath I got that from southpark Towelie episode. Cartman: You're stupid. Towelie: You're stupid. Cartmant: Yeah, but you're a towel. Towelie: YOU'RE A TOWEL! |
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| 13:45.08 | stoned | lol |
| 13:45.11 | kspath | hehehe |
| 13:45.15 | cklaus | ankur, and why should apache2/error.log show anything ? (if you place malformed lines into sources.list) ?? |
| 13:45.16 | stoned | nevermind man, I crack myself up |
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| 13:46.06 | ankur | cklaus : then what should i need to put in /etc/source.list file |
| 13:46.06 | kspath | cire: See various HD specs at their websites. |
| 13:46.38 | kspath | cire: They will/should list min/max temperature and pressure and power |
| 13:47.11 | cklaus | ankur, for example "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" or something similar.. ,) it depends on the layout of your repository.. --> man sources.list will help you |
| 13:47.18 | stoned | ankur, you are missining ./ |
| 13:47.26 | stoned | ankur, append that and try again |
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| 13:48.06 | cire | okay, I'll check this. Thank you kspath |
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| 13:48.12 | stoned | "deb http://10.10.136.252/debian1/ ./" I think this should work, I am not entirely sure |
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| 13:49.05 | stoned | ankur, you can't just specify deb URL afaik it has to know where to get the info files from |
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| 13:49.16 | stoned | etc. I am high as shit |
| 13:49.20 | ankur | cklaus : http://10.10.136.252/debian1/ is the location where the whole dvd of debian is placed. so i want to use which is my next pc as apt-source |
| 13:49.26 | belkin | whats better to use for a debian desktop sarge or etch ? |
| 13:49.45 | Ronin | belkin: im running sarge as my desktop and have had no problems |
| 13:49.48 | Blissex | belkin: Sarge. |
| 13:49.54 | stoned | belkin, it depends on what you are looking for. Stability or newer software? |
| 13:49.58 | Blissex | belkin: Etch does not exist. |
| 13:50.05 | belkin | stoned Stability |
| 13:50.08 | Ronin | etch doesnt exist Blissex? |
| 13:50.10 | stoned | sarge definitely |
| 13:50.17 | belkin | ok |
| 13:50.18 | belkin | thanks |
| 13:50.24 | stoned | !d-i belkin |
| 13:50.24 | dpkg | belkin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:50.43 | belkin | thank you |
| 13:50.47 | stoned | np |
| 13:51.17 | cklaus | ankur, i dont know the layout of the dvd.. therefore i cant help you .. the entries in sources.list have to conform to "deb uri distribution [component1] [component2] ..." try to make an entry that complies to that |
| 13:52.46 | belkin | stoned so netinstall cd image should be best isnt it ? |
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| 13:53.11 | stoned | belkin, sure |
| 13:53.25 | Ronin | belkin: yes, then use apt-get to install once you ahve the base system |
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| 13:54.24 | belkin | Ronin do i have to notice any ftp servers or they are listed soon i get into the install progress? |
| 13:54.26 | cklaus | ankur, and after that you have to do an "apt-get update" to get the new packages.. |
| 13:54.29 | tziku | how can i send broadcast messages from root ? to all users who are logged on ssh ? |
| 13:54.48 | kspath | wall |
| 13:54.53 | kspath | tziku: man wall |
| 13:55.02 | Ronin | sa i recall you'll be asked to set up at least one source |
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| 13:55.29 | tziku | usage: wall [file] |
| 13:56.00 | belkin | Ronin how would i get the base system installed ? and apt-get install what ? for a standard gnome desktop ? |
| 13:56.03 | kspath | tziku: Did you read man for wall? |
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| 13:57.08 | kspath | tziku: Wall displays the contents of file or, by default, its standard input, on the terminals of all currently logged in users. |
| 13:57.28 | belkin | should i type linux26 at the boot or not ? is is better to .. ? |
| 13:57.59 | Ronin | belkin: depends do you want a 2.6. kernel? |
| 13:58.02 | kspath | belkin: Many prefer 2.6. |
| 13:58.33 | DaBlade | The vast majority prefer 2.6 |
| 13:58.37 | DaBlade | Only those who are paranoid about stability go for 2.4 |
| 13:58.38 | belkin | so i should get 2.6 as well right |
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| 13:58.45 | DaBlade | belkin: Yep |
| 13:58.48 | belkin | it might be better if almost everyone has it |
| 13:58.50 | belkin | ok |
| 13:58.53 | DaBlade | belkin: http://kernel.org/ |
| 13:58.56 | DaBlade | Get the latest there |
| 13:59.02 | kspath | belkin: If you set linux26 you will/should have 2.6 |
| 13:59.17 | belkin | and if not ? |
| 13:59.24 | belkin | what kernel version will install ? |
| 13:59.34 | Ronin | belkin: a 2.4 one |
| 13:59.41 | belkin | ok |
| 13:59.53 | kspath | belkin: Install of sarge by default will use 2.4 but allow you to upgrade at any time later. |
| 13:59.54 | Ronin | DaBlade: lets not get them compiling shall we, first get debian installed |
| 14:00.07 | DaBlade | Oh, he's installing? |
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| 14:00.14 | DaBlade | Never mind what I said, belkin. |
| 14:00.31 | belkin | DaBlade ok so i should stick with default one then |
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| 14:00.50 | DaBlade | belkin: A 2.6 one, yes. |
| 14:01.03 | Ronin | belkin: typing linux26 isnt a bad thing to do, it wont hurt anythign :) but the choice is yours |
| 14:01.04 | kspath | belkin: If you set linux26 you will/should have 2.6 |
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| 14:01.31 | belkin | ok thanks all |
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| 14:01.59 | ankur | thankx ppl its working.. after using "deb http://10.10.136.252/debian2/dists/sarge/contrib/binary-i386/ ./" |
| 14:02.23 | ankur | as it contains 3 Pakages.gz i need to write 3 times with different path. |
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| 14:02.56 | belkin | is there anything i need to know berofe im going to install debian ? is a big diff between ubuntu installer ? |
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| 14:03.16 | Tassium | belkin: You might want to read the installation documentation |
| 14:03.21 | belkin | hope that i will be able to boot into the new system :) and that the xorg works |
| 14:03.51 | Ronin | theres no xorg in sarge, its still xfree |
| 14:04.09 | Ronin | remember stable is all about that, stability |
| 14:04.18 | DaBlade | Haha |
| 14:04.20 | kspath | belkin: I have not had problems with installing Debian or using XFree or Xorg with Debian but I am not using bleeding edge hardware. |
| 14:04.26 | DaBlade | I had XF86 crash on me several times |
| 14:04.29 | DaBlade | Xorg never crashed on me |
| 14:04.52 | DaBlade | Stability and XF86 don't seem to fit in the same line |
| 14:05.47 | belkin | kspath right ... well how will i get gnome desktop manager installef ? |
| 14:05.56 | belkin | apt-get install what ? |
| 14:06.08 | DaBlade | apt-get install kdelibs kdebase |
| 14:06.09 | DaBlade | :P |
| 14:06.16 | belkin | :)) |
| 14:07.17 | belkin | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. ? |
| 14:07.18 | belkin | hmm |
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| 14:07.29 | Ronin | belkin: like i said sarge is built to be stable |
| 14:07.44 | belkin | so xorg aint stable ? |
| 14:07.49 | DaBlade | Xorg is stable |
| 14:07.53 | DaBlade | More so than XFree86 |
| 14:07.57 | DaBlade | At least in my experience |
| 14:08.06 | Tassium | belkin: xorg is in the unstable distribution. |
| 14:08.06 | DaBlade | It's just not in the stable distribution |
| 14:08.09 | DaBlade | It should have been. |
| 14:08.12 | belkin | yeah , thats why i asked |
| 14:08.17 | belkin | i see |
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| 14:10.51 | cklaus | DaBlade, has xorg proven stability since years ? no.. therefore it shouldnt have been in stable. |
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| 14:11.11 | DaBlade | cklaus: In my experience, Xorg is far more stable |
| 14:11.21 | DaBlade | cklaus: As I said before, I had several XF86 crashes over time |
| 14:11.27 | bloom | while dist-upgrading udev today, I got a message "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-rc6-1ken has been altered. Cannot update." Is there anything I need to do with this upgrade so that my system will still boot tomorrow morning? |
| 14:11.28 | DaBlade | _NO_ Xorg crashes on the other hand |
| 14:11.35 | JasonX | cloned drive : how do i change the volume id of new drive so lilo won't complain |
| 14:11.38 | cklaus | DaBlade, this doesnt have anything to do with it getting into stable distribution |
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| 14:11.54 | DaBlade | Neither does what I'm talking about. :P |
| 14:11.55 | cklaus | things that get into unstable need not to be unstable.. |
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| 14:12.52 | kspath | DaBlade: Stable is about stability for the vast numbers of people for years. Not everyone has XFree crashing as you seem to experience. Xorg will be part of a stable release of Debian in the future. |
| 14:13.07 | DaBlade | I know. |
| 14:13.16 | belkin | will the grub.conf be created automaticly ? |
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| 14:13.19 | Henk | My raid1 array (mdadm) just send me a degraded event and /proc/mdstat says i'm missing /dev/sda3 from the array. Since this is not something i'd like to experiment with: how do i add it again? I dont seems to heva an /etc/mdadm.conf file and have not needed it so far i guess |
| 14:13.28 | Ronin | belkin: yes, or lilo if you want |
| 14:13.47 | belkin | Automatically |
| 14:13.48 | belkin | ok |
| 14:13.50 | belkin | thanks |
| 14:13.57 | yassine | i have installed php-db from aptitude and now im trying to use it after adding include_path = ".:/usr/share/php/" into the php.ini but still gets extention not found when trying to run it any help plese ? |
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| 14:14.23 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- is a Pentium D a good CPU? |
| 14:14.29 | SexyKen | 805 2.66ghz |
| 14:14.40 | kspath | Ronin: Maybe belkin is preparing an article for a periodical. |
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| 14:14.47 | Blissex | SexyKen: depends a lot, not really a question for #Debian |
| 14:14.49 | ranpha | hi. does somebody know a replacement for a good image program like thumbsplus , acdsee? |
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| 14:15.07 | SexyKen | Blissex -- I'd assume you're correct..where do you recommend I go to find out (irc wise) |
| 14:15.11 | thingfish | SexyKen: ask in #hardware maybe |
| 14:15.29 | kspath | SexyKen: You are assuming irc is a good resource? /me runs and hides. |
| 14:15.33 | Blissex | SexyKen: if it is a question like '' is it good for Linux'' try #LinuxHelp or ##Linux, else #hardware as thingfish suggests |
| 14:15.36 | belkin | Ronin please tell me how will i get the xorg and the standard gnome desktop ? |
| 14:15.56 | cklaus | SexyKen, you should consider what it should be good for.. |
| 14:15.56 | belkin | Ronin all i want its to boot into the new system .. so i can get back here to chat with you :) |
| 14:16.12 | Tassium | belkin: set up multiple sources in your apt sources.list. Use pinning. Then install xorg from the unstable distribution and learn to deal with the headache that is a mixed system. |
| 14:16.18 | Ronin | belkin: why do you need xorg so badly? nothign wrong with xfree in sarge and as for gnome apt-get install gnome or somethign like that, i dont run gnome so im guessing |
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| 14:16.33 | JasonX | Anyone know how to change the volume id of a drive? |
| 14:16.46 | belkin | Ronin ok |
| 14:16.53 | Angels2 | is there kind of "unattended" install method for debian... like putting in a cd, booting it and it installs like i setup before |
| 14:16.54 | kspath | belkin: There are numerous people running debian that do not use KDE or GNOME or XFCE. |
| 14:17.03 | belkin | yeah |
| 14:17.07 | belkin | but i have to |
| 14:17.07 | belkin | :) |
| 14:17.16 | Ronin | have to? |
| 14:17.25 | Blissex | Angels2: yes. |
| 14:17.33 | belkin | i need to have a desktop manager installed yes |
| 14:17.36 | petemc | JasonX: volume label? you can do that tune2fs |
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| 14:18.09 | JasonX | petemc - thx |
| 14:18.15 | Angels2 | Blissex: how is it called... so i can lookup it :) |
| 14:18.31 | blondie | s/how/what/ |
| 14:18.49 | petemc | Angels2: check out http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 14:18.50 | belkin | kspath :) |
| 14:19.01 | DanTH | . |
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| 14:19.17 | Angels2 | petemc : thanks alot |
| 14:19.24 | petemc | np |
| 14:20.15 | DanTH | can you guys see this? |
| 14:20.19 | petemc | no |
| 14:20.20 | Ronin | nope |
| 14:20.23 | DanTH | ok cool |
| 14:20.26 | JasonX | But is volume label the same as "volume ID serial no" |
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| 14:20.36 | kspath | !test DanTH |
| 14:20.36 | dpkg | Testing DanTH... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
| 14:20.42 | DanTH | hehe |
| 14:20.50 | JasonX | I have cloned a drive and lilo complains with "Fatal: register_bios: volume ID serial no. duplicated: 7xxxxxx" |
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| 14:21.28 | Blissex | JasonX: read the 'lilo' docs on how to disable that check. |
| 14:21.41 | JasonX | well id rather change the volume id |
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| 14:22.20 | JasonX | I mounted and chrooted to cloned drive |
| 14:23.29 | ranpha | hi. does somebody know a replacement for a good image program like thumbsplus , acdsee? |
| 14:24.01 | Tassium | ranpha: gthumb, maybe, I'm not sure. |
| 14:24.01 | Angels2 | shrug.. yes there was something |
| 14:24.03 | kspath | ranpha: apt-cache search thumb |
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| 14:24.28 | belkin | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is this right ? |
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| 14:24.46 | azeem | ranpha: there's also pornview |
| 14:25.05 | thingfish | belkin: to reconfigure xserver-xfree86, yes. |
| 14:25.23 | belkin | thingfish theklone thanks |
| 14:25.23 | kspath | azeem: apt-cache search thumb might list pornview... |
| 14:25.31 | belkin | lol |
| 14:25.40 | ranpha | i will take a look |
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| 14:26.34 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 14:26.38 | bobesponja | oops |
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| 14:26.58 | DanTH | hi |
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| 14:28.18 | kspath | bobesponja: This is #debian. |
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| 14:30.03 | Warbo | Hello. I really screwed up my xserver (well, in a chroot) and ended up with links all over the place but no Xorg binary. I tried reinstalling the package but it will not create the file again (in /usr/bin, /usr/X11R6/bin or anything) |
| 14:30.04 | apostols | Hi, i have problems install Debian Sarge in Dell Precision L380. Dont recognize Hard Disc SCSI |
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| 14:31.06 | lewis | is there any reason to remember a passphrase used with SSH key generation? |
| 14:31.28 | josep | if I add a user to a group changin /etc/group, does this change take place inmediatly? |
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| 14:32.25 | Warbo | josep: I think you would have to log out of any terminal or xsession you want to be in that group and log back in |
| 14:32.27 | Tassium | josep: Yes and no. They are added to the group immediately, but any logged-in sessions won't show the change until they log in again (that's my experience, anyway) |
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| 14:33.08 | JasonX | How do I chroot back to original root |
| 14:33.22 | cahoot | JasonX: exit |
| 14:33.29 | josep | ok, thanks :-) |
| 14:33.30 | Warbo | JasonX: To exit pres ctrl-d |
| 14:35.11 | Warbo | How can I force dpkg or apt to recreate a package's files on reinstall (it seems to leave me how I am, and I don't [can't] unistall it, only reinstall) |
| 14:35.15 | JasonX | ok exit did it - i had prjbs at first cos of stopped jobs, ok this is beginning to make some sense |
| 14:35.59 | Tassium | Warbo: You can purge the old config files (dpkg --purge package-name) (Make sure you REALLY mean that) and then reinstall. |
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| 14:36.16 | JasonX | hopefully i have now changed the 'volume ID serial no' and reinstalled lilo on hdc having booted from hda |
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| 14:36.25 | Warbo | Tassium: It is xserver-xorg, so uninstalling it would mean I have to do some serious rebuilding |
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| 14:36.38 | Tassium | Warbo: Then I think I've misunderstood what it is you're asking for. |
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| 14:37.28 | Warbo | Tassium: I have accidentally deleted the Xorg (or X) binary, and reinstalling keeps my 'current configuration', ie. no X binary |
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| 14:37.55 | petemc | !+confmiss |
| 14:37.55 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 14:38.44 | Warbo | Aha! Exactly what I was after, thanks (I knew there must be such an option). I'll try it now |
| 14:38.53 | JasonX | b4 i reboot does this look ok ne1? mount /dev/hdc1 /temp;chroot /temp; /lilo -z -M /dev/hdc; lilo -M /dev/hdc; lilo -v -b /dev/hdc |
| 14:39.57 | xored | i cannot rellvf DNS anymore. /etc/resolf.conf seems to be allright, iptables everything on ACCEPT, no rules. What could be wrong ? ( webserver is still accessable form the inet, but its not possible to get out) |
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| 14:40.03 | JasonX | hopefully i can boot of hda as normal or swap in hdc to be hda and boot off that THEN modify the lilo on hda to dual boot hda/hdc |
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| 14:42.43 | maria | maria nika gunos |
| 14:43.57 | maria | nika de gunios reyos cunios mi los |
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| 14:44.19 | maria | maria runios una funios |
| 14:44.43 | azeem | maria: please write in english in here |
| 14:44.44 | azeem | !es |
| 14:44.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:44.52 | kspath | !tell maria about en |
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| 14:45.03 | josep | that is not spanish heh |
| 14:45.11 | kspath | wow the en one is somewhat rude |
| 14:45.19 | yassine | i have installed php-db from aptitude and now im trying to use it after adding include_path = ".:/usr/share/php/" into the php.ini but still gets extention not found when trying to run it any help please ? |
| 14:45.21 | maria | maria una los funios un los hugo |
| 14:45.32 | azeem | dpkg: forget en |
| 14:45.32 | dpkg | i forgot en, azeem |
| 14:45.44 | Tassium | yassine: Did you restart the web server after you edited php.ini? |
| 14:45.46 | kspath | !tell maria about es |
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| 14:45.50 | kspath | !tell maria about br |
| 14:45.53 | yassine | Tassium, yes i did |
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| 14:46.36 | maria | en mucho una los runos |
| 14:46.57 | azeem | maria: last warning, please write english in here |
| 14:46.59 | kspath | maria: #debian solamente Ingles. |
| 14:47.34 | maria | maria runios de migos |
| 14:47.34 | xored | i cannot rellvf DNS anymore. /etc/resolf.conf seems to be allright, iptables everything on ACCEPT, no rules. What could be wrong ? ( webserver is still accessable form the inet, but its not possible to get out). I can ping the site with the IP, so jsut DNS is not working |
| 14:47.40 | kspath | maria: bye |
| 14:47.44 | kspath | maria: adios |
| 14:47.46 | maria | mas |
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| 14:48.13 | mith | xored: are your nameservers down maybe? |
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| 14:48.36 | xored | mith: i dont think so, but i try entring mine, one second ( my active) |
| 14:48.37 | mith | xored: if you do 'host whatever.com <ip of nameserver' does it resolv? |
| 14:48.46 | kspath | If people want their language to be supported they should support their language channels. |
| 14:49.05 | wdamn | Hi, how can I start and stop the cron in /etc/cron.d/ ? |
| 14:49.10 | xored | mith: he says, nameserver not running |
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| 14:49.43 | mith | xored: so fix your nameserver |
| 14:50.39 | mith | xored: mystery solved |
| 14:50.39 | mith | xored: or call whoever is in charge of it, at least |
| 14:50.40 | xored | mith: your right, it was just the namserver, he seems to be down, thank you |
| 14:50.51 | thedark_rs | when pppd runs the scripts in the ip-up.d/ directory, ifconfig always shows me the old ip from the last connection, when is the ip in ifconfig updated? |
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| 14:50.57 | plasmoduck | hello |
| 14:50.58 | plasmoduck | Uncaught exception from user code: |
| 14:51.02 | plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.02 | plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.32 | JasonX | hmmm i now got clone to boot but it doesnt like hda3 bad superblock |
| 14:51.38 | xored | mith: hmh, if i call "host gmx.de" he solfes, but if i call "ping" he says : host unreachable |
| 14:51.49 | plasmoduck | how do I fix that? |
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| 14:51.53 | JasonX | has anyone here cloned a large drive to a smaller drive, if so, how? |
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| 14:52.07 | xored | mith: no : host uknown |
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| 14:53.29 | xored | mith: http://paste.debian.net/6490 |
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| 14:54.24 | xored | mith: and thats my routing table : http://paste.debian.net/6491 |
| 14:54.29 | Angels2 | ranpha : still around? |
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| 14:54.59 | xored | mith: as iam reachable form the internet, its seems anything ok. And as i can ping the ip directly, it seems not to be a routing problem |
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| 14:57.13 | ranpha | angels2: yes |
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| 14:57.42 | Sonderblade | how do i download the binary package file of a package from a debian version other than what i have in sources.list? |
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| 14:57.56 | blondie | Sonderblade: manually |
| 14:58.01 | Sonderblade | i.e: im on debian sarge but i want the binary of a package from unstable |
| 14:58.25 | blondie | assuming it will work; you could download it from packages.debian.org |
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| 14:58.47 | xored | could someone help me with the DNS problem . I can resolv with host, but cannot ping the host then ( http://paste.debian.net/6494 ), routing table is ok : http://paste.debian.net/6491, iptables are cleared and on accept : http://paste.debian.net/6492, only one interface ( eth0, lo ). Iam helpless |
| 14:59.00 | petemc | Sonderblade: you would need to look into backports |
| 14:59.08 | fredl | dang it, Dapper is just hosed these days. |
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| 14:59.18 | Sonderblade | blondie: using wget you mean? |
| 14:59.30 | davi__ | gzip can not compress a file greater than 2 GB. Why? |
| 14:59.35 | blondie | if you like, or a webbrowser :P |
| 15:00.46 | fredl | davi__ probably gzip still uses the 32 bit file access API |
| 15:01.10 | kspath | fredl: This is #debian and has NOTHING to do with "Dapper". You are welcome to /join #ubuntu |
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| 15:01.58 | dipoll | Hello all |
| 15:02.03 | fredl | kspath - yeah I know, sorry. I'm starting to dislike Ubuntu more every day so I'm contemplating moving back to Debian. |
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| 15:02.25 | dipoll | Have a problem with Xorg |
| 15:02.27 | samuel | is there another program like debfoster thats not depricated? i dont like aptitude much and deborphan only does libraries |
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| 15:03.14 | davi__ | fredl is this API part of glibc ? |
| 15:03.36 | abrotman | samuel: man deborphan |
| 15:03.39 | fredl | davi__ I do not know for sure. There's some more programs that apparently still have this problem. |
| 15:03.42 | Tassium | deborphan will look at more than libs |
| 15:03.51 | plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.55 | plasmoduck | Uncaught exception from user code: |
| 15:03.58 | plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.12 | davi__ | thanks fredl |
| 15:04.28 | samuel | abrotman, no man entry |
| 15:04.42 | abrotman | samuel: is deborphan installed? |
| 15:04.54 | fish__ | i cant go into my X , after update xorg on sid! |
| 15:04.56 | fredl | davi__ check out http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, it's about Suse but should apply to Debian as well I think. |
| 15:05.12 | dipoll | Somebody know why It's (Xorg) not working properly. Have sarge but using Xorg from testing. Now My video about 70 hz And I can't rise it .... Modelines didn't help |
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| 15:05.34 | samuel | abrotman, yes |
| 15:05.48 | abrotman | samuel: if you have deborphan installed .. then the man page is too .. |
| 15:05.53 | samuel | abrotman, should i reinstall? |
| 15:05.54 | dipoll | I have Nvidia videocard |
| 15:05.59 | samuel | ill reinstall |
| 15:06.04 | davi__ | fredl I am looking to it |
| 15:06.14 | davi__ | thanks again fredl |
| 15:06.14 | fish__ | dipoll: maybe you need install driver for Nvidia |
| 15:06.22 | abrotman | samuel: ok .. go ahead |
| 15:06.35 | abrotman | samuel: apt-get --reinstall install deborphan |
| 15:06.39 | joey_ | I need to install mod_rewrite for apache but I can't find it apt-cache |
| 15:06.40 | dipoll | fish__ : I already did it |
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| 15:06.43 | kspath | davi__: man gzip ;apt-get install bzip2;man bzip2 |
| 15:06.47 | abrotman | joey_: for apache2? |
| 15:06.49 | abrotman | kspath! |
| 15:06.53 | Tassium | joey_: rewrite comes with apache, doesn't it? |
| 15:06.56 | kspath | abrotman: abrotman! |
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| 15:07.00 | dipoll | It was good working with XF86 |
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| 15:07.04 | fish__ | dipoll: sorry. cant help you. |
| 15:07.10 | abrotman | Tassium: for apache2 ... yes .. apache1 .. IIRC no |
| 15:07.16 | joey_ | abrotman: yes |
| 15:07.24 | abrotman | joey_: it's already in the package |
| 15:07.28 | davi__ | thanks kspath |
| 15:07.37 | plasmoduck | how do I fix this? !WARN! PERL: DBI connect('dpkg:localhost','blootbot',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /usr/share/blootbot/src/db_mysql.pl line 15 |
| 15:07.39 | joey_ | well, gallery compalins that it can't see it |
| 15:07.40 | dipoll | fish__: Tnx for try |
| 15:07.47 | joey_ | abrotman: |
| 15:07.51 | fish__ | dipoll: ;) |
| 15:07.57 | fredl | fish__: don't know if this helps but if Ubuntu Dapper is using the same nvidia driver version as the current unstable Debian then there are some uhh 'issues' with it. |
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| 15:08.08 | belkin | need help ... i just install debian and now after i boot into the new system debian is asking me to choise software to install and i choise desktop-environment what will install ? gnome or kde ? |
| 15:08.16 | samuel | abrotman, oook i see... just use the -a switch, thanks, i thought deborphan was only for libs |
| 15:08.29 | belkin | is it better not to select anything and install the packages myself ? |
| 15:08.34 | kspath | fredl: Please stick with Debian issues. |
| 15:08.41 | Funkmaster | did some1 install vmware on their machine? i have a problem with it, using debian sarge, self compiled kernel 2.6 error is at http://pastebin.com/705416 |
| 15:08.42 | fish__ | fredl: dipoll need your suggestion ;) |
| 15:08.47 | joey_ | abrotman: should I enable it? |
| 15:08.49 | Ronin | belkin: which one do you want? kde or gnome? or say flucbox? we cant etell you which one |
| 15:08.51 | Tassium | belkin: Define "better"? Picking and installing your own packages works fine. |
| 15:09.05 | fish__ | could not open default font 'fixed' ? |
| 15:09.19 | belkin | Tassium so i shouldnt select anything at that section right ? |
| 15:09.28 | fish__ | XIO: fatal IO error 104.. |
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| 15:09.33 | flapane | i have problems with flash and realplayer 32bit on my amd64 |
| 15:09.34 | flapane | <flapane> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=995208#post995208 |
| 15:09.34 | flapane | <flapane> who can help me? |
| 15:09.34 | fredl | kspath: I'm just trying to help him out ok? |
| 15:09.35 | dipoll | Looks like all is ok |
| 15:09.37 | Tassium | belkin: Sounds right to me. |
| 15:09.41 | belkin | Ronin well i want gnome ... but the menu doesnt let me to choise what ever i want . |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | joey_: good plan |
| 15:10.01 | belkin | Tassium so i have to cancel it ... how will i get back to that point ? |
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| 15:10.06 | abrotman | samuel: you're welcome |
| 15:10.14 | Tassium | belkin: If you're installing your own packages, you don't need to get back to that point, right? |
| 15:10.18 | dipoll | But modelines not working |
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| 15:10.28 | fredl | my goodness, this fglrx driver is also WAY hosed |
| 15:10.32 | joey_ | abrotman: it's in /etc/apache2/mods-availoable |
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| 15:10.48 | abrotman | joey_: man a2enmod |
| 15:10.49 | dipoll | Is any difference in XOrg and XF86 in configuring? |
| 15:10.50 | joey_ | but gallery application can't see it and asks me to install it |
| 15:11.01 | joey_ | god damn those package mantainers:) |
| 15:11.08 | belkin | Tassium well i already selected desktop environment and apt is already stating to download packages ... |
| 15:11.09 | fredl | this is like being in the old Linux days LOL, I'm getting random swipes and colors here and there on my screen |
| 15:11.12 | joey_ | okay |
| 15:11.55 | belkin | Tassium now i just cancel the apt work and i will reboot the machine ... how will i get to the same point again ? to setup apt ... |
| 15:12.11 | Tassium | belkin: Just control-c the download, and you should end up at a prompt |
| 15:12.20 | joey_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:12.26 | joey_ | working now |
| 15:12.30 | belkin | Tassium it didnt end so i just reboot the machine :( |
| 15:12.47 | Tassium | (Oh lordy.. I don't know what I'm doing - quick, better reboot) |
| 15:12.48 | Ronin | belkin: well thats one way, not teh best mind you |
| 15:12.56 | belkin | Tassium where should i start after reboot ? what should i type ? |
| 15:12.57 | kspath | dipoll: The XFree and Xorg configuration files do differ. |
| 15:13.33 | dipoll | kspath: Modelines in different way too? |
| 15:13.50 | Funkmaster | did some1 install vmware on their machine? i have a problem with it, using debian sarge, self compiled kernel 2.6 error is at http://pastebin.com/705416 |
| 15:13.58 | belkin | Ronin i tryed to stop apt but it didnt i had to reboot the machine ... now i want to get back to apt setup select my mirror and then at the package selection menu leave everything unckeck ... |
| 15:14.02 | kspath | dipoll: I am not here to support Xorg or Xfree configurations. I am sorry. |
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| 15:14.52 | dipoll | kspath: Oh :) Anyway Thanks for information |
| 15:14.56 | apostols | Hey, where an i download Kenji Muto netinstall 2.6.12? |
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| 15:15.51 | hobophobe | If I exit X to terminal, the resolution becomes unusable (the letters are about an inch high and the commandline is below the bottom of the screen); is there a way to fix this (either manually or automatically)? |
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| 15:16.23 | dipoll | Ok I'll be back soon ..... just try to restart X |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | !tell apostols about sarge uni |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | !tell apostols about sarge 2.6.12 |
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| 15:17.03 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 15:17.25 | apostols | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:17.28 | Tassium | hobophobe: With my box, I just need to adjust my monitor settings for X and then again for console and it switches properly between them from then on. |
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| 15:18.14 | stoned | im on the wrong network |
| 15:18.17 | stoned | uff |
| 15:18.27 | abrotman | stoner! |
| 15:18.31 | dhuv | throughout the years I have registered domains or have started to manage domains that have been registered through different registrars, I am looking to put them all under a single account under one registrar. does anyone know of a good registrar? I dont really want to have to transfer this stuff again |
| 15:18.40 | hobophobe | you mean the actual monitor's controls? this is a problem where: during boot the console is fine; X loads fine; I drop out of X back to console, and the resolution of console is huge (beyond that which monitor control could fix) |
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| 15:18.43 | abrotman | dhuv: wrong channel |
| 15:19.06 | dhuv | abrotman: I know its not specific to debian, but I was hoping to get some feedback |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | dhuv: maybe try #dns .. though it's not really on-topic there either |
| 15:19.19 | dhuv | abrotman: ok |
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| 15:19.24 | hobophobe | dhuv, ask slashdot. |
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| 15:21.00 | FabParma | Wath package/program to create an image to my pc? |
| 15:21.22 | kspath | FabParma: What? |
| 15:21.27 | hobophobe | data image or visual image? |
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| 15:22.17 | kspath | FabParma: apt-cache search keyword |
| 15:22.22 | FabParma | kspath: i need to create an image (like ghost for m$) and i'd like to know which program to use |
| 15:22.33 | kspath | FabParma: apt-cache search keyword |
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| 15:22.49 | FabParma | kspath: very kind |
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| 15:23.10 | FabParma | kspath: what is for the irc channels? |
| 15:23.22 | zamolxes | so what do you people use for webmail? |
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| 15:23.55 | hobophobe | FabParma, to help people with problems, not be their googler |
| 15:24.08 | kspath | FabParma: That was my answer. You asked what debian package is like ghost for M$ but for Debian and/or Linux which is ok to ask there. |
| 15:24.12 | kspath | here |
| 15:24.30 | shadebob | hi, I actually write a program to monitor file alteration. I want use dnotify API but it s hard to find documentation on this API. Someone cam help me? |
| 15:24.48 | kspath | FabParma: Others can answer as well. I did not mean to imply that it was not a valid question for #debian. I am sorry. |
| 15:25.24 | jetscreamer | dd is like ghost a little |
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| 15:25.28 | Tassium | zamolxes: SquirrelMail |
| 15:25.37 | zamolxes | yep, me too |
| 15:25.51 | zamolxes | i don't know, everything else kind of sucks, but this is ugly as hell :) |
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| 15:26.25 | Tassium | zamolxes: Get out your PHP documentation, grab the 1.5.2CVS version and get working on templates like the rest of us |
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| 15:27.19 | Ronin | zamolxes: well webmails meant to be basic but you can tweak sq to an insane degree |
| 15:27.23 | FabParma | kspath: my problem is that i have not idea what to search in google. hobophobe, if i search in google i get undreds of records.if i use the wrong tool when ill need to restore my pc ill have big problems, can u understand me? |
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| 15:27.53 | kspath | FabParma: Something that might help you is to understand all the keywords and terminology associated with "Ghost for M$ OS" and use those in keyword searches. |
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| 15:29.00 | kspath | FabParma: There are many possible tools that might help you if you take a lot of time to study/research. |
| 15:29.29 | zamolxes | Ronin,Tassium ok, thanks for the insights |
| 15:30.42 | hobophobe | FabParma it took me just a few minutes to find one http://systemimager.org/ that seems to |
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| 15:30.47 | hobophobe | ah well, figures :oP |
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| 15:32.39 | hobophobe | What determines the console's resolution? Whatever it was last set to? |
| 15:33.01 | RichiH | the vga= parameter at boot time |
| 15:33.08 | splattnik | !google syscresccd |
| 15:33.09 | joe2134 | Is there an easy way to install ALL packages in etch? (i.e. 'apt-get install EVERYTHING')? |
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| 15:33.21 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for syscresccd |
| 15:33.25 | Tassium | joe2134: Not that I know of. Ye gods, that's a lot of packages. |
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| 15:33.54 | splattnik | joe2134: always fun to make an distupgrade =) |
| 15:34.11 | kspath | I do not understand how google could be effective in an IRC channel. |
| 15:34.28 | jengelh | !google 1st result for "a b c d" |
| 15:34.29 | jengelh | whatever |
| 15:34.33 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for 1st result for "a b c d |
| 15:34.33 | jetscreamer | joe2134: you don't really want to |
| 15:34.34 | jengelh | returning an URL. |
| 15:34.50 | jetscreamer | joe2134: some will conflict with each other |
| 15:34.53 | joe2134 | Tassium, Have disk space, will use. I just wonder about weird conflicts. |
| 15:34.57 | evil_core | bot ? |
| 15:34.58 | jetscreamer | but sure apt-get install * works iirc |
| 15:35.03 | kspath | joe2134: It is NOT possible to install EVERYTHING. There are a significant number of packages that are exclusive for many reasons. |
| 15:35.07 | evil_core | !Google hi |
| 15:35.14 | dpkg | Google says hi is at http://www.hawaii.gov/ or http://www.hawaii.gov/dlnr/ or http://www.hi-res.net/ or http://www.pioneer.com/ or http://www.hihostels.com/ |
| 15:35.16 | evil_core | !google 1 |
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| 15:35.21 | jengelh | see |
| 15:35.22 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for 1 |
| 15:35.35 | jengelh | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2005-09,GGGL:en&q=1 -- full of results |
| 15:35.56 | splattnik | kspath: look for sysresccd =) |
| 15:35.59 | evil_core | !google all debian |
| 15:36.04 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for all debian |
| 15:36.10 | Tassium | joe2134: You would get some conflicts. Just look at postfix/qmail (ugh)/exim/sendmail |
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| 15:36.15 | JasonX | Can someone point me in direction of a util/command to copy a 100gb partition on drive_a (only 1gb used) to a 40gb partition on drive_b |
| 15:36.22 | joe2134 | kspath, jetscreamer, Thanks for the replies. |
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| 15:37.09 | Tassium | JasonX: How about "cp"? |
| 15:37.31 | kspath | JasonX: How about "tar"? |
| 15:38.08 | kspath | Tassium: cp and tar do not literally deal with partitions. |
| 15:38.17 | Angels2 | dd |
| 15:38.27 | JasonX | yer but will dd account for diff part sizes |
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| 15:38.39 | Tassium | kspath: You don't want the entire partition, just the data |
| 15:38.44 | JasonX | i have used it before to clone 'same size' drives |
| 15:38.52 | lurker99 | joe2134: Technically, "sudo apt-get -s install .\*" should do it, but I wouldn't want to try... |
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| 15:39.14 | JasonX | ideally i wanted to use ghost but it copies large part to smaller one but ruins superblock so no mount |
| 15:39.15 | Funkmaster | JasonX why don't u simply copy it? |
| 15:39.20 | epictetus | sfdisk -d /dev/soucedisk | sfdisk /dev/targetdisk |
| 15:39.20 | Funkmaster | why make use of dd? |
| 15:39.27 | kspath | Tassium: It was not my question. cp and tar and similar do not answer the partition question. You would have to direct your answer to the motivation for asking about partitions. |
| 15:39.30 | epictetus | then format, then cp -a |
| 15:39.43 | JasonX | well i guess i could just copy the data part now i have the root part working OK |
| 15:39.48 | epictetus | kspath: sfdisk for partitions, cp -a to copy the data. |
| 15:39.49 | Tassium | kspath: Well you can't put a 100GB partition into a 40GB partition. He's only got 1GB worth of data, so just copy the data. |
| 15:40.19 | joe2134 | lurker99, oohh, yeah. That will do it. But like you said, I don't think I want to. I'll stick with the 'add the package as needed' approach |
| 15:40.31 | JasonX | I did wonder if there was a way to clone a drive where it would take into account smaller sizes |
| 15:40.34 | kspath | Tassium: I know what you intention was. I do not disagree with your intention. You did not however answer the partition question. Nor did I. |
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| 15:40.55 | fas3r | it's possible to remove an EXPORT n=.. ? |
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| 15:41.20 | petemc | fas3r: unset |
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| 15:41.33 | fas3r | oki thank a lot petemc |
| 15:41.34 | Tassium | fas3r: You can also export VARNAME="" |
| 15:41.35 | fredl | !dr17 |
| 15:41.35 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 15:41.39 | JasonX | using utils like ghost or part magic for windows drives is simple they just shrink and realloc the data, i was hoping fo a simple way to do similar for unix, so i can back up a drive with minimal hassle |
| 15:41.57 | Bethy^^ | I want to create a tunnel between two differently-numbered LANs and share resources between them. Encryption is required. The LAN connections aren't stable and are on dynamic IPs (but static names). What might be the most appropriate package to look at? |
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| 15:42.06 | fredl | hmm |
| 15:42.15 | fredl | anybody using the DR17 debs by any chance? |
| 15:42.24 | kspath | Tassium: You could have said, Why are you concerned with the partitions when perhaps only the data is the concern? Perhaps "cp" would be a solution for copying the data. |
| 15:42.25 | Tassium | Bethy^^: openvpn |
| 15:42.52 | pipeline | JasonX: Uh, have you tried g4u ? |
| 15:43.05 | Bethy^^ | tassium: does openvpn do only single-client attached to network, or network attached to network? |
| 15:43.08 | pipeline | JasonX: I just use gnu tar with the "-l" option for my backups, but g4u does what you probably want... |
| 15:43.22 | Tassium | Bethy^^: It's my understanding it can do either one. |
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| 15:43.38 | Bethy^^ | Thank you. :) |
| 15:43.51 | Tassium | Bethy^^: I've never tried what you're looking to do, though, so I can't give you specifics I'm afraid. |
| 15:43.57 | fas3r | petemc, if you prefer i have this error http://pastebin.com/705494 if i don't export locality of nocat.conf and ... |
| 15:44.09 | Tassium | Bethy^^: Are you using static IPs inside the LAN? |
| 15:44.10 | fredl | guys, I need some help with a graphics card.... I'm using an S3 prosavage8 card in my wife's PC and I just can't get it to work properly |
| 15:44.14 | JasonX | g4u eh! ok thx i will get reading |
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| 15:44.23 | Bethy^^ | tassium: the VPN servers will be on statics within the LAN yes |
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| 15:44.36 | Bethy^^ | Tassium: so port forwarding will work okay |
| 15:44.54 | jeld | hello all |
| 15:44.58 | fredl | the graphics 'board' is actually an integrated VIA graphics chipset. Does anybody happen to have such a monster? |
| 15:45.10 | Bethy^^ | fredl1: i did. i got rid of it. |
| 15:45.14 | quitte | fredl: unichrome? |
| 15:45.15 | Tassium | Bethy^^: You can also do tunneling with SSH, but I think what you're describing sounds more like a VPN |
| 15:45.27 | fas3r | petemc, and if i export nocat locality i have this error http://pastebin.com/705501 ... |
| 15:45.31 | fredl | Bethy^^: couldn't get it to work properly either? |
| 15:45.35 | Bethy^^ | Tassium: i'll take a look at openvpn. thank you. :) |
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| 15:45.40 | Bethy^^ | fredl: no, not even under windows. |
| 15:45.41 | fas3r | petemc, it's better but i don't find error ... |
| 15:45.44 | fredl | quitte - I do not know what you mean with that. |
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| 15:46.14 | quitte | fredl: never mind. you said s3 above. i was successfull with a via epia board. |
| 15:46.28 | fredl | Bethy^^ - it's so weird, the X driver detects it flawlessly... |
| 15:46.38 | quitte | fredl: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 15:46.43 | jeld | having a strange issue with exim4 and apache2, according to lsof, exim4 instances (not the listening daemon but the queue processing instances) get open files confused with apache, as a result exim4 seems to be listening on http and https and have a bunch of apache logs open. Anyone ever encountered anything like this? |
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| 15:47.05 | fredl | quitte - well, lspci says: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] |
| 15:47.15 | petemc | jeld: yeah, thats a known issue |
| 15:47.27 | petemc | jeld: check the exim-users mailing list archive |
| 15:47.36 | kspath | !mailing list |
| 15:47.36 | dpkg | methinks mailing list is about large numbers of persons that might have knowledge and experiences that may or may not use IRC. about http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/, or about the communications being persistent. Mailing lists allow those in various time zones to more effectively share with each other. |
| 15:47.45 | jeld | petemc, any solutions? cause everytime I do logrotate, I run a risk of apache failing to restart |
| 15:48.16 | fredl | quitte - and X detects it flawlessly and has a driver for it, which I believe is an opensourced vendor driver. |
| 15:48.16 | petemc | jeld: cant remember offhand, check the archives i mentioned |
| 15:48.30 | jeld | petemc, ok, thanx |
| 15:48.44 | fredl | quitte - the thing is though, the screen is unstable, I see flashes when I move the mouse, and it's DOG slow |
| 15:48.53 | fas3r | jeld, make a script whose verify if apache run with while .... do |
| 15:48.56 | quitte | fredl: sarge? |
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| 15:49.19 | fredl | shoot, great timing, it's dinner time. I'll come back later quitte, if you're still here. |
| 15:49.33 | quitte | fredl: i will |
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| 15:52.38 | Skalemar | thx *plöpp* champus ;-) |
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| 15:53.56 | deconvolution | hi, when I use fdisk to check my /dev/sdb |
| 15:54.02 | FabParma | i'd need to create an image of my hard disk. which tool do you suggest me? |
| 15:54.05 | deconvolution | it says Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by write |
| 15:54.22 | deconvolution | and my partitions disappered |
| 15:54.24 | petemc | FabParma: parted |
| 15:54.35 | deconvolution | what happened? |
| 15:54.47 | FabParma | petemc: parted is not foe resize???? |
| 15:54.55 | kspath | !tell FabParma about parted |
| 15:54.56 | FabParma | petemc: parted is not for resize???? |
| 15:54.56 | petemc | FabParma: what????? |
| 15:55.14 | petemc | FabParma: using lots of question marks makes you look like an idiot |
| 15:55.27 | petemc | just so you know... |
| 15:55.42 | jengelh | using lots of explclamation marks too |
| 15:55.51 | kspath | FabParma: Did you want to ask a question that includes all your specifications/restrictions/conditions? |
| 15:55.51 | petemc | yz |
| 15:55.56 | FabParma | petemc: understood, sorry |
| 15:56.16 | petemc | FabParma: parted does resize, read up on it |
| 15:56.31 | FabParma | petemc: im reading |
| 15:56.36 | kspath | !parted |
| 15:56.36 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
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| 15:58.40 | kspath | Please note: The people that are attempting to answer your questions in channel will not know all the specifications/restrictions/conditions unless you tell them. They will try their best to answer based on what they understand your question is asking. |
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| 16:07.53 | falkon | Does anyone know how to disable the sound card pass through, so when I talk in the mic it's not blaring over my speakers |
| 16:08.09 | jengelh | alsamixer |
| 16:08.11 | quitte | falkon: with a mixer |
| 16:08.12 | belkin | how do i get my usb mouse working |
| 16:08.12 | belkin | ? |
| 16:08.23 | falkon | jengelh: I have alsamixer running |
| 16:08.31 | falkon | how do I disable it in there? |
| 16:08.32 | quitte | belkin: plug it in and tell x to use /dev/input/mice |
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| 16:08.48 | cahoot | falkon: try lowering the capture level for mic |
| 16:09.03 | belkin | quitte will i be able to do this with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? can i choise from menu ? |
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| 16:09.32 | quitte | belkin: yes, i think so. or you can edit the conf file in /etc/X11/ |
| 16:09.47 | belkin | quitte thank you |
| 16:09.53 | dipoll | I am back :) |
| 16:09.56 | falkon | cahoot: I don't need to lower the mic level, I need to keep it from playing through the sound output |
| 16:10.02 | fas3r | nobody know what's the command line for remove password of mysql user ? |
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| 16:11.06 | dipoll | Problem has been solved : ModeLine "1024x768/100" ... |
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| 16:12.14 | belkin | quitte problem solved .. now please tell me how do i start x .. and gnome gdm ? |
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| 16:12.36 | Ronin | :) |
| 16:12.46 | belkin | why not ? |
| 16:12.47 | belkin | :) |
| 16:12.54 | joeljose420 | guys, where do i report vulnerabilties? |
| 16:12.59 | belkin | i think kde its slower then gnome |
| 16:13.01 | joeljose420 | where can i discuss about it ? |
| 16:13.04 | Tassium | joeljose420: Use the Bug Tracking System |
| 16:13.07 | belkin | Ronin what do you use ? |
| 16:13.08 | Ronin | !bts |
| 16:13.08 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 16:13.23 | jsizzle | greetings, I'm checking out E17 and I'm running into some problems with outdated packages I think, can anyone point me to a script or some such automated thing to build updated .debs for me from CVS maybe? I dunno, if anyone out there is using E17 help a brotha out thx in adv |
| 16:13.23 | belkin | kspath ahh not again please ;) |
| 16:13.42 | Ronin | belkin: did you install gdm and gnome? |
| 16:13.46 | joeljose420 | hmmm... no i wanted to talk with the developers .. like irc |
| 16:14.05 | belkin | Ronin i install gnome-desktop-enviroiment |
| 16:14.08 | Ronin | i think the devs have more then to do then be on irc joeljose420 :) |
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| 16:14.30 | belkin | Ronin that should do the trick isnt it ? |
| 16:14.43 | Ronin | belkin: try startx and see :) |
| 16:14.46 | azeem | joeljose420: which package? |
| 16:14.49 | joeljose420 | ok. before i report it to bts i need to verify it. |
| 16:14.55 | joeljose420 | its a kernel vuln |
| 16:15.10 | azeem | joeljose420: you should contact upstream then, probably |
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| 16:15.22 | belkin | Ronin ok i will ... and if aint working then i have to apt-get install gdm isnt it ? |
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| 16:15.48 | joeljose420 | upstream ? |
| 16:15.55 | snail | joeljose420: lkml |
| 16:16.05 | joeljose420 | i have no contact s of upstream devs |
| 16:16.06 | falkon | so, anyone know of a way to turn off the mic coming out of the speakers? It's loud as hell, but my mic volume is only modest |
| 16:16.29 | azeem | joeljose420: google it, there probably is some contact |
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| 16:17.10 | joeljose420 | can i discuss it here? before i make a fool of myself with the upstream dev? |
| 16:17.16 | kspath | falkon: Did you try unplugging the mic? |
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| 16:17.33 | falkon | kspath: yes, but I run asterisk so that's a very bad bandaid |
| 16:17.33 | joeljose420 | kspath : PTP |
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| 16:18.05 | kspath | joeljose420: PTP? |
| 16:18.06 | belkin | Ronin fatal error : no screens found any ideea what should i change ? |
| 16:18.15 | joeljose420 | PullThePlug!! |
| 16:18.26 | joeljose420 | pulltheplug.org ;) |
| 16:18.37 | azeem | joeljose420: ehm, this doesn't enhance your credibility |
| 16:18.39 | kspath | belkin: Look to your X configuration. |
| 16:18.43 | azeem | you can try to discuss it here, of course |
| 16:18.53 | azeem | but there are not many kernel hackers present I guess |
| 16:19.06 | belkin | kspath look at it and what ? change what ? look for what :)) |
| 16:19.21 | joeljose420 | i dont expect a patch to be made here; but i just wanted to verify my results. |
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| 16:19.31 | kspath | belkin: hint screen is either literally screen or monitor or both. |
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| 16:19.54 | belkin | yeah what can be wrong with it ? |
| 16:20.09 | belkin | resolution to high ? sync ? |
| 16:20.28 | kspath | belkin: Is that what your X logs say? |
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| 16:21.22 | joeljose420 | i need atleast 3 computers interconnected ; to test it out.. unfortunately i have only 2 right now; i had tested it in my office.. but didnt document it(i was busy with documenting winxpsp2 vuln).. i think i got the idlescan to work.. |
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| 16:21.42 | azeem | joeljose420: that doesn't help much |
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| 16:22.03 | joeljose420 | i can tel you the exact situation; normally it wouldnt have worked. but i think this could be an overlook or my stupid mistake ;) |
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| 16:23.14 | Tassium | Does the Debian rescue disk recognize LVM? |
| 16:23.20 | belkin | kspath no bus id to primary device ... no screens found |
| 16:23.23 | joeljose420 | if it was my mistake ofcourse you can flamethrow me or something that sort and i would take note ;) |
| 16:23.28 | vinzbn | I've got a net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_standalone.o error while patching my 2.6.14-2 kernel to allow ip_conntrack_gre in iptables. Google gives me 1 russian link. Anybody to help me ? |
| 16:23.44 | belkin | can someone please help me getting xfree86 running ? |
| 16:25.18 | joeljose420 | suppose you have 3 computers 1,2 and 3. If i do a hping -r -V ipof_3 scan from 2 , i will get a +1 as id... |
| 16:25.23 | vinzbn | my ip_conntrack error while compiling --> http://pastebin.com/705565 |
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| 16:26.50 | ryan` | are "initialization from incompatible pointer type" warnings compling the kernel anything to worry about? |
| 16:27.06 | joeljose420 | now even if i do a hping -S -p 80 -c 50 ipof_3 from 1 and simultaneously hping -r -V ipof_3 i will notice an increase in id field untill i stop my 1-3 communication! |
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| 16:27.26 | joeljose420 | this shouldnt happen really. |
| 16:27.59 | joeljose420 | and yeah i did my hping -r -V ipof_3 from 2 |
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| 16:28.12 | Ronin | belkin: this has nothing to do what the version of x you are running, |
| 16:28.20 | joeljose420 | anybody listening ? .. or am i irritating ? |
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| 16:29.26 | azeem | joeljose420: how is this a vulnerability? |
| 16:29.33 | joeljose420 | idlescan |
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| 16:29.56 | azeem | joeljose420: eh, can you elaborate? |
| 16:30.00 | joeljose420 | by just sending packets from 2 to 3 i can "observ" the pattern of 1-3 communication |
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| 16:30.17 | Alcides | Hoooooola |
| 16:30.33 | joeljose420 | when i do a scan, a port scan specifficaly i can be "super human stealth mode" |
| 16:31.07 | joeljose420 | because to scan 1 i dont need to have any contact with 1; just do a hping/nmap on 3 thats it!! |
| 16:31.24 | mbishop | idlescan is when you use an idle host to check other hosts for activity, so you can basically check their availability, and scan them without actually connecting |
| 16:31.29 | Alcides | I dont understand anything |
| 16:31.35 | joeljose420 | try this |
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| 16:31.39 | mbishop | it uses the IDs of packets to tell if it got a RST and stuff like that |
| 16:31.43 | joeljose420 | joeljose.pbwiki.com/idlescan |
| 16:31.53 | Alcides | Alguien habla castellano |
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| 16:31.58 | mbishop | but the host has to be idle, or else you can't tell if it's just getting traffic, or if it's answering you right |
| 16:32.01 | azeem | Alcides: #debian-es |
| 16:32.02 | azeem | !es |
| 16:32.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:32.16 | joeljose420 | it has a reference section iin the top and some kwel scrren shots of my winxpsp2 idlescan done using ubuntu breezy |
| 16:32.23 | Alcides | #debian-es |
| 16:32.32 | colk | hey does anyone know what the mysql directory is used for in /var/log |
| 16:32.34 | joeljose420 | i have already submitted and got into the bugtraq and FD |
| 16:32.47 | colk | I found 30 gigs of mysql-bin files in it |
| 16:32.54 | azeem | Alcides: /join #debian-es |
| 16:33.02 | asg | colk: mysql now logs in binary format and those are stored in /var/log/mysql |
| 16:33.09 | joeljose420 | brb |
| 16:33.16 | intx | hey, I have a strange problem with lilo.. I added a password to lilo, but for some reason it gets asked every time on bootup? |
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| 16:33.28 | colk | ok then how did i end up with 30 gigs of them |
| 16:33.43 | asg | colk: you are doing very verbose logging or its a very busy server? |
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| 16:34.30 | colk | im doing the debian standard logging |
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| 16:34.44 | colk | it is a very busy server though |
| 16:34.49 | vinzbn | Any help for a bug patching a 2.6.15 with patch-o-matic ? (bug here -> http://pastebin.com/705565) |
| 16:35.14 | colk | is there a way to get rid of the older log files automattically |
| 16:35.17 | asg | colk: then use mysqlbinlog to find out what its doing to generate so much traffic |
| 16:35.22 | sep | colk, logrotate |
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| 16:35.45 | zamaliphe | see this http://wiki.kldp.org/wiki.php/JinLiveCD/GfxBoot#s-1.3 |
| 16:35.47 | zamaliphe | what is that font type ?? |
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| 16:37.04 | belkin | why i dont have a shutdown or reboot button in my menu ? |
| 16:37.13 | belkin | i can only logout ... |
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| 16:37.29 | Ronin | because only root can be default do that |
| 16:37.52 | kspath | belkin: Does GNOME or KDE require a shutdown or reboot button in "your" menu? |
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| 16:40.17 | joeljose420 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.10 | belkin | kspath well i did have a shutdown button on any other linux os |
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| 16:42.50 | kspath | belkin: Does GNOME or KDE require a shutdown or reboot button in "your" menu? |
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| 16:43.41 | belkin | kspath well its easyer to run the system down |
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| 16:43.47 | cahoot | kspath: why not if he's the only user? |
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| 16:45.23 | kspath | cahoot: Why not what? |
| 16:46.04 | kspath | cahoot: I was asking if KDE or GNOME require a shutdown or reboot button. I was not asking/saying that it might not be convient or helpful to anyone. |
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| 16:47.11 | xored | i`ve entered the JAVA_HOME path correctly, but "which java" still says, there is no java. What could be wrong ? |
| 16:47.56 | cahoot | kspath: actually you specified a bit more - "Does GNOME or KDE require a shutdown or reboot button in "your" menu" - but nevermind |
| 16:48.30 | kspath | cahoot: I was using "your" because belkin said "my". |
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| 16:49.48 | timo- | xored, java should be in your PATH |
| 16:50.09 | xored | timo-: thank you |
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| 16:50.48 | timo- | xored, with Sun's JDK $JAVA_HOME/bin should be added, but your mileage may wary |
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| 16:52.11 | kspath | cahoot: Where does KDE and GNOME and xfce begin/end and a distribution begin/end? They should all have/take responsibilty for what they can. Does asking a question have to imply my disagreement with usefulness or helpfulness? |
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| 16:52.44 | belkin | i get a kernel panic when i plug my secound hdd .. before the kernel it says driver not ready for command ... i never seen this before any ideea why ? |
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| 16:53.52 | belkin | i cannot boot into the system anymore because of this kernel panic ... and i also cannot get rid of my socound hdd ... what should i do ? |
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| 16:54.40 | quitte | belkin: checked the jumper settings for master/slave? |
| 16:54.46 | unstable | belkin: Pop in a livecd, then chroot yourself into your os...and fix it |
| 16:55.03 | unstable | o, hdd problem |
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| 16:57.22 | belkin | quitte no master there |
| 16:57.34 | sgomes | !lol |
| 16:57.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 16:58.08 | azeem | sgomes: please /msg the bot |
| 16:58.09 | belkin | unstable there is no hdd problem i had this working on other distros |
| 16:58.14 | Tassium | heh doesn't sound like laughter either, it sounds like James Brown. What's your point? |
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| 16:59.31 | cahoot | Tassium: write it off as an idiosyncrasy |
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| 17:01.18 | quitte | belkin: what do you mean? |
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| 17:02.59 | belkin | quitte there is no jumper ... thats what i mean ... do i need any package or something to get this working ? |
| 17:03.07 | kspath | belkin: I think quitte and others do not know what you meant by "had this working on other distros". |
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| 17:03.53 | belkin | kspath i didnt get a kernel panic before , because of the hdd |
| 17:04.01 | belkin | kspath is there anyway i can fix that ? |
| 17:04.04 | quitte | kspath: no i was talking about the jumper |
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| 17:04.09 | quitte | belkin: is this sata? |
| 17:04.14 | belkin | no ide |
| 17:04.24 | quitte | belkin: then the disks have jumpers |
| 17:04.25 | belkin | the sata one works fine |
| 17:04.39 | kspath | belkin: Default debian 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:04.46 | quitte | belkin: if it is the only disk on the bus set it to cable select or master |
| 17:04.49 | belkin | quitte it doesnt have |
| 17:05.06 | quitte | belkin: it does. if it is ide it has jumpers! |
| 17:05.21 | belkin | quitte its the only disck on the bus yes without a jumper .... i lost it |
| 17:05.39 | piper69 | how are you guys today |
| 17:05.42 | quitte | belkin: sigh. then find some replacement or bend the pins |
| 17:05.43 | belkin | kspath no 2.4 i just hit enter by the installation ... |
| 17:06.13 | belkin | quitte i will find one ok ... and set it as what ? slave or master ? |
| 17:06.25 | kspath | belkin: Default Debian Sarge/Stable 2.4 kernel does not do what? |
| 17:06.34 | quitte | belkin: master or cable select. master is usually ok for the only disk on a bus |
| 17:06.44 | belkin | kspath did i said it doesnt do something ? |
| 17:06.59 | belkin | quitte ok |
| 17:07.18 | kspath | belkin: "< belkin> i cannot boot into the system anymore because of this kernel panic ... and i also cannot get rid of my socound hdd ... what should i do ? |
| 17:07.22 | kspath | " |
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| 17:08.26 | kspath | belkin: Are you able to boot your Debian Sarge/Stable 2.4 default kernel machine? |
| 17:08.27 | belkin | quitte listen mate ... bassicly i have a ide card or somethign like that .. where i can plug up to 4 ide hdd right ? ... if i plug only the one i have debian installed works great ... then when i plugn the other hdd into a different bus then i get the kernel panic saying the hdd its not ready for command |
| 17:08.47 | belkin | kspath yes ... without my secound hdd |
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| 17:09.24 | kspath | belkin: Is that a BIOS or HD configuration issue ? |
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| 17:09.49 | quitte | belkin: yes. i understand. still you should first make sure the jumpers on the disk are ok. |
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| 17:10.44 | FromTO | I am trying to setup an hp1022n (network printer) connected through a wireless router. any info I can obtain on how to do this. do not know what the ip address for the printer is |
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| 17:11.14 | belkin | kspath no its not the hdds are recon. in bios |
| 17:11.40 | belkin | quitte right i put the jumper to master and now i try to boot again |
| 17:12.17 | kspath | belkin: Are you saying recon means reconditioned? |
| 17:12.39 | kspath | belkin: Does your BIOS have a boot order? |
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| 17:12.50 | belkin | kspath yes |
| 17:13.03 | belkin | yes and i boot from the one witch has debian on it |
| 17:13.19 | belkin | i have a scsi card similar with this one here http://www.kids-online.net/learn/click/details/scsicard.jpg |
| 17:13.21 | kspath | belkin: Both drives are IDE? Each drive is on a different IDE bus? |
| 17:13.26 | belkin | yes |
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| 17:13.37 | belkin | kspath yes thats right |
| 17:13.53 | kspath | belkin: What is the SCSI card involved with? |
| 17:14.04 | belkin | what do you mean ? |
| 17:14.17 | kspath | "< belkin> i have a scsi card similar with this one here http://www.kids-online.net/learn/click/details/scsicard.jpg" |
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| 17:14.38 | belkin | yeah thats the way i plug the two hdd driver i have into my machine |
| 17:14.41 | belkin | via the scsi |
| 17:14.49 | quitte | aaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!! |
| 17:14.50 | belkin | or whatever you call it |
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| 17:15.13 | unstable | Is it possible for someone to start a keylogger as my normal user(bob) ... and then if I login as root it would log those keys? |
| 17:15.13 | kspath | belkin: You have two interfaces for plugging IDE drives into? |
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| 17:15.24 | unstable | I know _anything_ is possible...but in general..is that likely? |
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| 17:15.29 | quitte | belkin: could you please find out about the differences between scsi sata and ide and then explain your hdd setup again? |
| 17:15.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:15.30 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:15.34 | kspath | belkin: Are you aware that IDE/ATA is not SCSI? |
| 17:15.42 | tarzeau | unstable: unlikely no |
| 17:16.00 | blondie | belkin don't make disk controllers then |
| 17:16.03 | Bethy^^ | in general, is an install to sarge and then an immediate dist-upgrade to etch a problem? i ask because i remember during the woody/sarge transition, doing that was a no-no. |
| 17:16.04 | tarzeau | unstable: what did you smoke? you're paranoid? |
| 17:16.13 | unstable | tarzeau: no...just curious. |
| 17:16.16 | belkin | quitte dammm man |
| 17:16.18 | tarzeau | unstable: if someone can access your computer physically there's not really much you can do anyways |
| 17:16.25 | tarzeau | unstable: there are hardware keyloggers though |
| 17:16.36 | kspath | belkin: I think quitte was honestly trying to help you. |
| 17:16.37 | unstable | tarzeau: I know..I'm talking software/remotely. |
| 17:16.38 | belkin | quitte i put the jumper now and is still not working |
| 17:16.39 | chealer | Bethy^^: it shouldn't |
| 17:16.45 | Tassium | Bethy^^: Why not do a network install, and point the apt sources at unstable instead of doing an install followed by an upgrade? |
| 17:16.51 | tarzeau | unstable: well if you run xhost + ... |
| 17:16.52 | kspath | !tell belkin about grounding |
| 17:16.55 | belkin | kspath and i also trying to explain you what i have ... |
| 17:16.58 | Red_Cloud | Whenever I try to manually start a program in the /etc/init.d directory which is not a daemon, where might I find the log of that start attempt? |
| 17:17.06 | unstable | So there is a firefox exploit, and bob gets infected with something...if they run a keylogger as bob(is that possible)...then can they see what I type in when I su -(is that possible) |
| 17:17.12 | unstable | s/So/Say |
| 17:17.15 | quitte | belkin: right but now i dont even know if you actually set your disk to master or did some random thing to a scsi disk |
| 17:17.28 | tarzeau | unstable: no |
| 17:17.30 | belkin | kspath quitte so there is no more help for me ? |
| 17:17.40 | tarzeau | unstable: unless they already have root rights |
| 17:17.41 | belkin | quitte i did set it to master |
| 17:17.43 | kspath | belkin: Are you taking responsibilty for helping yourself and helping others help you? |
| 17:17.50 | belkin | quitte and i can see the kernel panic again |
| 17:18.01 | tarzeau | unstable: for normal users there exist local root exploits... |
| 17:18.02 | kspath | belkin: Are you aware that IDE/ATA is not SCSI? |
| 17:18.27 | tarzeau | unstable: depending on your software installed and if any is exploitalbe as well as kernel version .. it's possible or not (or very hard) |
| 17:18.33 | tarzeau | unstable: you want to read !harden-doc |
| 17:18.49 | tarzeau | unstable: but then who'd want your root password? |
| 17:18.57 | belkin | kspath http://homedames.com/boutique/images/ATA133.jpg this is how my card looks like |
| 17:19.04 | kspath | belkin: Are you aware that IDE/ATA is not SCSI? |
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| 17:19.20 | unstable | thanks tarzeau |
| 17:19.21 | quitte | i bet it is some "raid" monster |
| 17:19.42 | Fateback | problem: when I run alsaconf under kernel 2.6.8-3-k7 my sound card isn't detected. It did detect under kernel 2.4.27-386... any ideas would be appreciated |
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| 17:20.29 | kspath | belkin: Do you know what SCSI is? Do you know what IDE/ATA is? |
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| 17:21.04 | quitte | belkin: ok. let's assume you dont have a hardware or bios misconfiguration - which i doubt. and you said it worked with other distros - then probably a 2.6 kernel can help. so how about you temporarily unplug the disk. boot into your system and install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:22.28 | kspath | belkin: It is ok to be ignorant of many things. I am ignorant of a great many things. If you state something is IDE then later say you have a SCSI card, do you think that might create confusion and make it hard to assist you? |
| 17:22.28 | vin` | Fateback: load the module with modprobe. |
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| 17:23.04 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.27 | bronaugh | ugh... why is it that one of my Apache2+Modperl installations (on unstable) does not look in /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/ and the other does? |
| 17:23.28 | kspath | belkin: quitte is referring to temporarily unplugging the 2nd disk drive. |
| 17:23.39 | bronaugh | what configures that and/or what is going wrong? |
| 17:23.44 | Tassium | Red_Cloud: Depends on what it is. Under /var/log is common |
| 17:23.46 | quitte | kspath: is he talking to you in private now? |
| 17:23.57 | kspath | quitte: No. |
| 17:24.02 | belkin | kspath quitte ok i will do this then |
| 17:24.26 | Red_Cloud | Tassium, I have searched every log under /var/log and do not find the attempt. The program is fwbuilder |
| 17:24.30 | belkin | i just run to the other machine and unplug the 2nd hdd out |
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| 17:24.50 | junix|work | what's a good mirror for sf? |
| 17:24.55 | stew | Red_Cloud: fwbuilder doesn't come with an init script |
| 17:24.56 | tarzeau | junix|work: any |
| 17:25.05 | Tassium | Red_Cloud: I don't use that myself. Are you sure it actually makes log files? |
| 17:25.05 | quitte | Red_Cloud: you can check with iptables if your rules changed |
| 17:25.17 | junix|work | i need the ftp addy, dl.sourceforge.net doesn't seem to be correct |
| 17:25.39 | tarzeau | junix|work: what about you use a browser? |
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| 17:25.46 | tarzeau | junix|work: i always use links2 for sf downloads |
| 17:25.50 | quitte | Red_Cloud,Tassium it makes logs if it is configured to do so. it can be told to log any firewall rule that gets used |
| 17:25.53 | stew | Fateback: what card do you have? what is the output of: lspci -n | awk '/0401:/{print $3}' |
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| 17:26.31 | belkin | kspath quitte what about this @ pivat_root no such file or directory; /sbin/imit:432 cannot open /dev/console no such file; kernel panic " the last 3 lines of the errors |
| 17:26.39 | bronaugh | bah, everyone hates me. |
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| 17:26.54 | bronaugh | I think I'll go play hide-and-go-cut-myself |
| 17:27.58 | Fateback | stew: output is 10de:0059, i have whatever AC97 sound hardware is built into the A8N-SLI Deluxe |
| 17:27.59 | quitte | belkin: /dev is not populated. how did you get debian installed in the first place? and what is your partition layout? what data is on the second disk? |
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| 17:28.37 | stew | Fateback: try "modprobe snd-intel8x0", and make sure that i810_audio is not loaded |
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| 17:29.01 | Tassium | quitte: I know that earlier he aborted (ie. rebooted) an apt-get run, I was under the impression it was after base system was installed but now I'm not so sure |
| 17:29.05 | Red_Cloud | What I am trying to do is get fwbuilder to start with boot. I have copied the files to /etc/init.d as instructed by the readme and put the script in /etc/default/ as instructed and then put the .fw script file in etc/fwbuilder/ as instructed but it is no cigar with the start with boot. There is no PID for the program and it is not in the boot.log. |
| 17:29.14 | stew | Fateback: also load snd-pcm-oss ; and try "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
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| 17:29.38 | Tassium | Red_Cloud: Check the permissions on the file in /etc/init.d - is it executable? |
| 17:29.40 | quitte | Tassium: that is totally unrelated to fwbuilder |
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| 17:29.46 | kspath | quitte: perhaps belkin should do a clean install using linux26 option? |
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| 17:29.49 | stew | i can't imagine what an init script for fwbuilder would do. fwbuilder is an x client |
| 17:30.07 | Red_Cloud | Tassium, the files have all permissions for read, write, and execute. |
| 17:30.17 | ojai | does anyone know of a version of grub in Debian that has gfxmenu support? |
| 17:30.18 | kspath | quitte: belkin apparently did this install today and not long ago. |
| 17:30.27 | quitte | kspath: maybe. but he really should explain his whole situation instead of those small pieces of information all the time. |
| 17:30.27 | bronaugh | no, but seriously. no one has any idea about mod_perl2 being so screwy on Debian? |
| 17:30.28 | Tassium | quitte: Uh, how do you figure it isn't related? Part of the process he reported included installing an init script, and he's not seeing it run at boot |
| 17:30.44 | kspath | quitte: I agree completely. |
| 17:30.50 | kspath | !not answer |
| 17:30.51 | dpkg | i guess not answer is about Please note: The people that are attempting to answer your questions in channel will not know all the specifications/restrictions/conditions unless you tell them. They will try their best to answer based on what they understand your question is asking. |
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| 17:31.01 | quitte | Tassium: huh? fwbuilder has a init script now? i always copied the fw script myself |
| 17:31.03 | stew | bronaugh: see if there are any clues in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
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| 17:31.20 | Tassium | quitte: I don't know, I'm only working on what Red_Cloud reported. |
| 17:31.31 | Fateback | stew: nothing returned under either of the modprobes and it didn't seem to like the last command |
| 17:31.58 | quitte | Tassium: well afaik, and i used fwbuilder not long ago you get a script and have to put it in init.d yourself |
| 17:32.16 | Tassium | quitte: *blink* That's what he said he did. Ok, forget it - we're obviously out of sync. |
| 17:32.20 | stew | Fateback: when running modprobe, no news is good news. what do you mean by "didn't seem to like"? |
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| 17:32.46 | cxvb | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 17:32.53 | kspath | !ops cxvb |
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| 17:33.01 | cxvb | www.nextpicturez.com |
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| 17:33.07 | kspath | cxvb: Do NOT spam #debian. |
| 17:33.11 | simonrvn | bubye |
| 17:33.19 | simonrvn | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 17:33.24 | quitte | Red_Cloud: fwbuilder fw scripts are not a daemon. it sets your iptables rules and then exits. not seeing it run is perfectly normal |
| 17:33.33 | stew | Red_Cloud: and your question is where do the log files go for the init script? there are no log files for this init script. |
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| 17:33.54 | rzr | hi |
| 17:33.57 | kspath | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 17:33.58 | Fateback | stew:last line it gave me was "cat: write error: No space left on device" |
| 17:33.59 | belkin | quitte default partition layout ... and on the secound hdd i have movies and stuff i had the 2nd hdd formated with ubuntu |
| 17:34.03 | Red_Cloud | quitte, yes fwbuilder has a init script. I comes in the examples/fwbuilder.init.d with the package |
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| 17:34.38 | stew | Fateback: do you have udev installed? |
| 17:34.38 | bronaugh | stew: ok, nothing about paths being changed in there. |
| 17:34.57 | quitte | belkin: ok. so your system should be able to run without the second hdd. now it even stopped doing that. what did you do? how about you reinstall? |
| 17:35.11 | belkin | kspath quitte im startin a new install with " linux 26 " |
| 17:35.18 | quitte | hooray |
| 17:35.29 | Fateback | stew: nope |
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| 17:35.55 | kuhwalllskee | I have screwed up my symlinks for java, how do I fix them back to use alternatives? |
| 17:35.55 | belkin | quitte yes without the 2nd hdd debian works fine no errors no nothing ... |
| 17:36.25 | stew | Fateback: rm /dev/dsp ; cd /dev ; /sbin/MAKEDEV audio ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 17:36.26 | quitte | belkin: you just said you get an error about /dev/console |
| 17:36.27 | bronaugh | stew: what's driving me nuts here is that I have an amd64 debian system on which the paths are fine.. and I have my laptop here (i386), where the paths are broken. |
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| 17:36.42 | stew | bronaugh: which version of debian? |
| 17:36.47 | stew | or versionss |
| 17:37.23 | stew | Fateback: run alsamixer, make sure master and pcm are unmuted and turned up, and try playing sounds |
| 17:37.48 | bronaugh | stew: Debian testing on amd64, unstable on i386 |
| 17:37.55 | stew | bronaugh: checked the bts? |
| 17:38.27 | Red_Cloud | quitte, I understand that fwbuilder is not a daemon and do not expect it to see it in the daemon.log. The concept of it setting the iptables and then exiting is very interesting though. That may be why I do not see it running as a program with a PID. Let me check into this and if you are correct, all will be well. stew, thanks for the help also. I was hoping that my OS would log this activity, not a log created by fwbuilder. If a prog |
| 17:38.29 | Red_Cloud | unable to start it would not create a log. That was my assumption. But if it merely configures iptables then that should be logged somewhere. Or is my thinking wrong? |
| 17:39.19 | belkin | quitte yes i did get it while i tryed to boot into debian with both hdds |
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| 17:39.20 | stew | Red_Cloud: if there are errors, you should see them on stderr when you start the init script |
| 17:39.26 | bronaugh | stew: nothing too interesting that is outstanding. |
| 17:39.53 | Red_Cloud | stew, thanks I will look into this. |
| 17:40.07 | belkin | quitte without the 2nd hdd i dont get any errors like " /dev/console " or whatever the errors are |
| 17:40.09 | quitte | belkin: ah! |
| 17:40.20 | quitte | belkin: i think i know what your problem is |
| 17:40.21 | belkin | quitte do you get me ? :) |
| 17:40.34 | belkin | quitte what is it ? in going for a fresh install now anyway |
| 17:40.40 | quitte | belkin: you had a system on the second hdd not long ago? |
| 17:40.51 | colk | hey does anyone know why users would be getting permisson denied to their own crontavs |
| 17:40.58 | colk | crontabs rather |
| 17:41.20 | quitte | belkin: i think your bios tries to boot from it - or grub thinks it is the first hdd in your system |
| 17:41.28 | stew | colk: what exactly do you mean? do you mean when they run "crontab -e"? |
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| 17:41.34 | colk | yes |
| 17:41.37 | kuhwalllskee | I have screwed up my symlinks for java, how do I fix them back to use alternatives? |
| 17:41.40 | colk | or -l |
| 17:41.55 | quitte | belkin: or linux thinks that it is the first hdd. so it uses the wrong hdd to mount root from |
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| 17:42.25 | stew | colk: did /usr/bin/crontab lose the sgid bit? |
| 17:42.32 | quitte | belkin: so reinstall with linux26 and both hdds in is probably a good idea. but take care not to wipe the second hdd |
| 17:42.40 | colk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26668 Feb 27 17:22 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 17:42.40 | colk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.47 | colk | i guess so |
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| 17:42.59 | quitte | belkin: see you later when your system installed fine but doesn't bot ;) |
| 17:43.05 | colk | 4755 will put it back right? |
| 17:43.26 | stew | colk: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root crontab 26668 2006-03-31 20:43 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 17:43.43 | colk | ok |
| 17:43.57 | bronaugh | stew: ok, figured out what I did on my server. hah. |
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| 17:44.02 | bronaugh | commented out the only line in perl.conf. hmm. |
| 17:44.23 | bronaugh | but it's debian! land of sketch! |
| 17:44.37 | stew | colk: no that's not 4755, but 2755 and note that the group owner is wrong |
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| 17:46.36 | kspath | !ops cxvb |
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| 17:46.41 | kspath | cxvb: Do NOT spam #debian. |
| 17:46.45 | kuhwalllskee | I have screwed up my symlinks for java, how do I fix them back to use alternatives? |
| 17:46.52 | colk | hmm |
| 17:46.56 | colk | wonder how that happend |
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| 17:47.39 | kspath | !ops please consider auto banning "www.nextpicturez.com" spam |
| 17:47.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please consider auto banning "www.nextpicturez.com" spam |
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| 17:47.56 | LoRez | kspath: please consider not trivializing !ops |
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| 17:48.06 | helix | you can trivialize me any time |
| 17:48.19 | LoRez | helix: you're not trivial :( |
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| 17:48.39 | helix | that's true, I'm way too tall |
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| 17:48.54 | kspath | LoRez: I was reporting cxvb for spamming. I am sorry for sending a 2nd !ops message. |
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| 17:49.49 | belkin | quitte yeah very funny |
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| 17:51.02 | belkin | quitte yeah looks like grub or bios try to boot from the 2nd hdd |
| 17:51.14 | cshaman | Hello. |
| 17:51.19 | belkin | witch has no file system on it |
| 17:51.24 | quitte | belkin: can you disable the bios of the ide controller? |
| 17:51.38 | belkin | quitte but like i said it never happend this on other distros |
| 17:51.39 | cshaman | How can I send data to a printer on a samba network? |
| 17:51.42 | quitte | belkin: usually there is a jumper for that or you can do it in the cards bios |
| 17:51.56 | belkin | quitte no clue where man |
| 17:52.15 | quitte | belkin: well - find the manual |
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| 17:52.30 | belkin | quitte EX: on ubuntu .. there was no need for jumpers or something ... it worked like it is now |
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| 17:53.46 | belkin | quitte even if i plug the twi hdds like this aint working ( with the jumper set up right; the one with the system master and the other one slve ) http://freepctech.com/pc/001/images/hd10.jpg |
| 17:53.51 | Mr_Malchance | hello |
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| 17:54.43 | gutano | belkin: when your in the bios do the drivers register? |
| 17:55.32 | belkin | gutano wow ; you asked my something now |
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| 17:56.03 | gutano | belkin: heh.... drives.... not drivers... sorry |
| 17:56.08 | belkin | gutano before tryes to boot the system it does recognize the hdds |
| 17:56.09 | Mr_Malchance | I have a problem of size of home partition, my home partition size is 25go and when I do a df -h it says that my home partition size is 2.7go, can somebody tell me where the problem come from ? |
| 17:56.14 | Mr_Malchance | please * |
| 17:56.37 | belkin | gutano dont know |
| 17:56.47 | gutano | belkin: usually which drive to boot from is also set in the bios.... this needs to point at the drive with grub on it |
| 17:57.04 | gutano | belkin: grub can in turn, point to partitions on either drive |
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| 17:57.26 | gutano | belkin: step 1, make sure your getting to grub |
| 17:57.31 | cshaman | Is it possible to print to a printer device on a samba network? |
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| 17:57.43 | cshaman | I mounted the printer to /media/canonprntr |
| 17:57.49 | belkin | gutano well i point the 1st drive to the hdd witch has debian on it |
| 17:57.52 | cshaman | How can I use lpr to print with it? |
| 17:57.59 | kspath | belkin: which |
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| 17:58.30 | abrotman | you can mount your printer? |
| 17:58.30 | belkin | which yeah |
| 17:58.31 | gutano | belkin: and you get a bios response like, drive is not a bootable media? |
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| 17:58.38 | cshaman | abrotman: I did. |
| 17:58.45 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:58.50 | belkin | gutano no ... i dont get anything from bios |
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| 17:59.01 | cshaman | abrotman: I figured that I would have to because it's a shared printer via a Windows box. |
| 17:59.14 | gutano | belkin: what response are you getting on boot then... from grub? blank screen? |
| 17:59.23 | abrotman | cshaman: i don't own a printer .. i can't really comment |
| 17:59.24 | junix|work | if my program that i am compiling is looking for mysql.h what package do i need to install? |
| 17:59.40 | belkin | gutano from grub |
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| 17:59.58 | stew | junix|work: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:00.13 | belkin | gutano it start loading the system ... until it comes to the kernel panic saying that the 2nd hdd its not ready for command |
| 18:00.17 | abrotman | where's simonrvn? |
| 18:00.25 | stew | canada? |
| 18:00.27 | simonrvn | what? |
| 18:00.42 | simonrvn | oh yeh i know about that |
| 18:00.47 | abrotman | ah .. okeedokee |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | see .. this is why #-ot is useful |
| 18:00.56 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:01.05 | simonrvn | hmm, did i post it? shoot, no i didn't. brb |
| 18:01.13 | abrotman | post it? |
| 18:01.25 | gutano | belkin: I'm assuming this is dual boot? none of your OSs load? |
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| 18:02.23 | simonrvn | wiki.kisikew.org |
| 18:02.38 | Razva | hi. in order to add a virtual interface I should add it in /etc/interfaces or in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:02.46 | kspath | simonrvn: What is that URL for? You are not spamming are you? ;-) |
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| 18:03.09 | simonrvn | no, it's a news site, based on a wiki |
| 18:03.11 | belkin | gutano i dont know what load is that ... it just saying something about the secound hdd that he detects driver seeking ... bla bla 24 error and stuff like this |
| 18:03.26 | Razva | folks? |
| 18:03.34 | kspath | simonrvn: News about debian? |
| 18:03.35 | fredl | What's a decent place for discussing Debian/Ubuntu comparisons? |
| 18:03.35 | Razva | cause I've added in both but with no result.. |
| 18:03.35 | Red_Cloud | Tassium, quitte, stew, I have manually altered the .fw script to disallow email and then starte the init.d script. I has disallowed email services, so I suppose that it operates as you say, no program but configure iptable. Thanks for your help. |
| 18:03.37 | abrotman | !tell Razva about interfaces |
| 18:03.40 | belkin | gutano on the 2nd hdd i have only stuff ... movies .. mp3s |
| 18:03.45 | kspath | fredl: Not here? |
| 18:03.56 | fredl | kspath - I know, that's why I ask :) |
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| 18:04.01 | kspath | fredl: Create on decent place for that. |
| 18:04.10 | Razva | abrotman seems he doesn't wants to tell me :) |
| 18:04.19 | simonrvn | kspath: no, it's off-topic |
| 18:04.22 | abrotman | yes he did |
| 18:04.32 | gutano | belkin: edit the grub entry, and check the first line (hit e while the entry is highlighted to edit it) |
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| 18:04.53 | belkin | gutano i dont think i should need to edit grub or something ... it should know which one its my main hdd |
| 18:05.20 | gutano | belkin: well, it's unpacking a kernel, and failing in the first few seconds correct? |
| 18:05.37 | gutano | belkin: sounds like your root entry is pointed at the wrong drive |
| 18:05.42 | belkin | gutano edit what there ? when i isnatlled debian the 2nd hdd its not pluged in so grub only recognize the 1st hdd which is right |
| 18:06.19 | kspath | gutano: Did you see all the "information" that belkin shared with quitte and the channel earlier? |
| 18:06.29 | gutano | kspath: no |
| 18:06.41 | belkin | gutano no ... its looking for volumes partitions and found them on the hdd ... then it tryes to do something with the 2nd one and it failed ( no ready for command ) |
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| 18:07.08 | belkin | kspath stop being funny man ; i try to get things working here |
| 18:07.21 | abrotman | kspath: WORK IT BABY! |
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| 18:07.47 | belkin | kspath i try to let ya know as much as i can |
| 18:07.53 | kspath | belkin: Working here as in #debian or here as in your machine you are saying has a problem? |
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| 18:08.30 | belkin | kspath leave me alone man |
| 18:08.44 | lhurgoyf | hi, I couldn't find cyrus sasl 2.1.21 packages for debian. I would apreciate any pointers. |
| 18:08.46 | gutano | argh, really gotta make my irssi ignore joins/parts/quits |
| 18:09.27 | kspath | belkin: Please consider putting all your information about your issue into a file so you can provide all the "details" in a pastebin when/if requested. |
| 18:09.34 | kspath | !tell belkin about paste |
| 18:09.37 | gutano | belkin: i'm not gonna sort through all of the quitte convo... you installed with only 1 drive present? |
| 18:09.48 | raf256 | there is no vncrecord nor transcode package for Debian, but building them from sources is trivial.. perahps I could make a deb for it and donae (like become a DD for it)? |
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| 18:09.50 | fredl | kspath - do you accept private messages? |
| 18:10.06 | mbishop | anyone know when emacs21 might be fixed in unstable? |
| 18:10.14 | kspath | fredl: No, not unless I think I know who/what someone is. |
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| 18:10.28 | lhurgoyf | mbishop, is it broken? from when? |
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| 18:10.51 | raf256 | what did cxvb did btw? |
| 18:11.04 | dondelelcaro | raf256: /lastlog |
| 18:11.10 | kspath | raf256: repeated URL spamming |
| 18:11.13 | mbishop | lhurgoyf: if you try to install emacs21, it wants emacs21-bin-common, which wants emacs21-common, but emacs21-common is behind a revision, and emacs21 can't install |
| 18:11.15 | raf256 | oh |
| 18:11.29 | fredl | kspath - I'd like to ask you some questions that are not completely Debian oriented. I've been a long time Debian user and I'd really like to find out some things without bothering too many other people with it. |
| 18:11.47 | lhurgoyf | I suggest adding experimental to your sources list, pinned down. |
| 18:11.48 | belkin | gutano yes only one driver present |
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| 18:12.06 | gutano | belkin: and does it boot correctly with only 1 drive in the machine? |
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| 18:12.12 | belkin | yes |
| 18:12.16 | lhurgoyf | probably higher version is already in experimental |
| 18:12.33 | belkin | gutano it might be because i used kernel 24 ? |
| 18:12.48 | fredl | kspath - could I ask you some questions in private? |
| 18:12.54 | belkin | gutano now i almost finish the new install with linux 26 |
| 18:13.12 | gutano | belkin: does the bios recognize it as the same (master/slave) as a single, and with both drives present? (this can happen if you have cable select jumper settings on 1 or both of your HDDs) |
| 18:13.19 | Razva | abrotman ok, read the mans, they say I need to insert the virtual net into the /etc/network/interfaces, thing that I totally agree (:D) still after I restart/force-reload the network it still doesn't works.. |
| 18:13.44 | abrotman | Razva: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 18:13.48 | stew | mbishop: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy emacs21-common emacs21-bin-common" into a pastebin? |
| 18:13.50 | Razva | ok, just a sec |
| 18:13.59 | raf256 | if I have own program, and a scipt install.sh that gets the program installed (closed source) how to make a .deb with it? |
| 18:14.40 | raf256 | assuming program uses own private libraries (so I can make one big pack that will therefore work on every debian with no extra dependencies, I will include .so of libwx into it) and libX will be used from OS |
| 18:14.43 | kspath | gutano: Make sure you find out if they are IDE/ATA or SCSI or SATA connected drives. |
| 18:14.47 | fredl | raf256 - there are some pretty good howto's about that on the net, have you checked those out first? |
| 18:15.04 | belkin | gutano yes |
| 18:15.09 | raf256 | hmm no.. but most where about open source projects |
| 18:15.15 | mbishop | stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/hD9lAJ87.html |
| 18:15.18 | raf256 | and this is binary ony distribution |
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| 18:15.59 | gutano | kspath: why comment if your not going to help the poor guy? |
| 18:16.01 | nacer | hi |
| 18:16.01 | fredl | raf256 - but that doesn't really matter I think. Any PHP package for example is also just a bunch of files that's packaged together. |
| 18:16.02 | Razva | abrotman http://pastebin.com/705801 |
| 18:16.11 | ryan` | anyone using serial console in 2.6.16? |
| 18:16.15 | gutano | kspath: your obviously following the convo, and have some ideas |
| 18:16.18 | ryan` | Mine is FUBAR :( |
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| 18:16.34 | belkin | kspath why are you getting into it if you dont wanna help ? |
| 18:16.36 | nacer | tomcat4 package dont find my .jar added in /var/lib/tomcat/shared/lib do you know why ? |
| 18:17.08 | kspath | gutano: I am hinting that it might help to make sure you know which drive types they are. I am sorry if that does not help. |
| 18:17.18 | abrotman | Razva: and what part doesn't work ? |
| 18:17.23 | fredl | raf256 - Check out http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 18:17.48 | quitte | what is the status of belkin? |
| 18:17.54 | Razva | abrotman the eth1:2 part.... |
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| 18:18.14 | abrotman | Razva: it's not set to auto come up |
| 18:18.16 | stew | mbishop: what if you try "apt-get install emacs21-common=21.4a-3 emacs21-bin-common=21.4a-3" |
| 18:18.25 | fredl | raf256 - it's a reasonably comprehensive article. If you have to start from scratch it might seem slightly intimidating. |
| 18:18.28 | kspath | quitte: /lastlog belkin or now /lastlog gutano not sure which will tell you status best. |
| 18:18.31 | gutano | kspath: anyhow, judging from the diagram belkin posted earlier, I was assuming pata |
| 18:18.36 | stew | mbishop: which would hopefully downgrade your emacs21-common to the one wanted by the available emacs21-bin-common |
| 18:18.37 | raf256 | that looks nice, thanks |
| 18:18.46 | Bethy^^ | Razva: http://pastebin.com/705807 |
| 18:18.52 | raf256 | fredl: no, it looks ok. Im c/c++ devel, so... ;) |
| 18:19.02 | po0k | is "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" the same as "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" ? |
| 18:19.04 | Razva | abrotman http://pastebin.com/705809 <- that's the ifconfig result |
| 18:19.06 | fredl | raf256 - you're welcome :) |
| 18:19.11 | azeem | stew: -3 might not be on ftp.debian.org anymore, dunno |
| 18:19.15 | azeem | snapshot.debian.net might help then |
| 18:19.22 | raf256 | btw, if I will create & maintain 2, 3 packages any chance of becoming official DD? |
| 18:19.24 | stew | azeem: it should be in testing if nothing else |
| 18:19.29 | azeem | oh, right |
| 18:19.38 | Razva | aha, so I should auto eth1:1 and eth1:2 as well |
| 18:19.42 | raf256 | how much is beeing a DD payed a year again? |
| 18:19.43 | azeem | raf256: you can apply of course |
| 18:19.46 | raf256 | </ j/k> |
| 18:19.53 | fredl | raf256 - what's a DD? |
| 18:20.00 | raf256 | Debian Devel |
| 18:20.04 | fredl | ah |
| 18:20.04 | abrotman | Razva: try adding `auto eth1:1 eth1:2` to your interfaces file |
| 18:20.04 | gutano | belkin: your errors have got to be in grub... the bios points to the right drive, and there is no reason for your OS to seek out the 2nd drive without grub pointing to the wrong place |
| 18:20.29 | Razva | ok, just a sec |
| 18:20.32 | Bethy^^ | Razva: Also, in general one tends to combine all the auto lines. :) |
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| 18:20.43 | Bethy^^ | This makes it less confusing for humans reading the file. |
| 18:20.46 | gutano | belkin: if master/slave of your drive is the same, linux sees them the same (hda = primary master, hdb primary slave, etc, etc) |
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| 18:20.54 | Razva | ok, writing the new ones :D |
| 18:20.58 | raf256 | bbl |
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| 18:21.55 | quitte | gutano: as far as i understood belkin the hdd he wants to install the system on is sata, while the other hdd is pata on a seperate controller card |
| 18:22.18 | belkin | quitte no they both ide |
| 18:22.20 | Razva | any ideea why the server resets my connection "some" times? |
| 18:22.30 | Razva | like I write a few lines, everything OK, than it just "stops" |
| 18:22.34 | Razva | and I have to reconnect |
| 18:22.43 | quitte | belkin: ok. and why do you use the extra controller? |
| 18:22.43 | Razva | like now... |
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| 18:23.16 | belkin | quitte because like this is the only way i can plug 2 hdds into my machine ... i only have one ide slot |
| 18:23.19 | Ironhand | is there a clean way to remove setuid from /bin/{mount,umount} and be sure that they stay that way through upgrades? |
| 18:23.27 | Razva | can't I see any network logs or soemthing...? |
| 18:23.35 | mbishop | stew: that gave me a really weird error |
| 18:23.41 | quitte | belkin: you can connect two disks to one controller. one master, one slave |
| 18:23.48 | gutano | quitte: +cdrom |
| 18:23.54 | stew | mbishop: what error? |
| 18:23.57 | gutano | quitte: so... 3 devices =( |
| 18:23.57 | mbishop | stew: E: Version â21.4a-3â for âemacs21-commonâ was not found |
| 18:23.57 | mbishop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.05 | quitte | gutano: he hasn't mentioned that so far? |
| 18:24.12 | stew | mbishop: add a testing source, apt-get update and try again |
| 18:24.14 | belkin | gutano i tryed but it didnt work |
| 18:24.18 | gutano | quitte: I'm assuming he has a cdrom.. he didn't mention it |
| 18:24.21 | mbishop | stew: k |
| 18:24.26 | kspath | belkin: Why did you mention a SCSI card while people were attempting to help you with 2 "IDE" drives? |
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| 18:24.39 | belkin | gutano yes i do have a dvd writer and a dvd both on the same ide bus |
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| 18:24.53 | stew | mbishop: or just use emacs-snapshot, which is a v22 prerelease :) |
| 18:24.59 | fredl | is Bdale Garbee still project leader for Debian? |
| 18:25.04 | azeem | fredl: no |
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| 18:25.08 | belkin | gutano so bassic i have two ide slots one its for dvdwr and dvdrom and one for my ide hdd |
| 18:25.14 | gutano | belkin: so the HDD's are on the controller card? or the optical drives? (assuming you have paired them like that) |
| 18:25.21 | mbishop | stew: I do, and am now in fact, but I found a nasty bug with ERC...or emacs, not really sure who's at fault |
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| 18:25.40 | mbishop | stew: mousing over a topic, them mousing off, them back on again causes emacs to kill itself |
| 18:25.40 | belkin | gutano yes the hdds are on the controller card both |
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| 18:26.03 | belkin | gutano the controller card has 2 ide slots .... so i but them single |
| 18:26.09 | gutano | belkin: unless you are having troubles booting off the opticals when they are on the controller, you will probably find less hastle with the HDD's on the mobo |
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| 18:26.52 | quitte | belkin, gutano: so the layout is this: onboard ide port1 hdd - onboard ide port2 dvd&dvdrw - ide controller card port1 hdd and thats all disk drives you have? |
| 18:27.07 | kspath | belkin: Are both IDE controllers on your mainboard? Are any IDE controllers PCI cards? |
| 18:27.19 | mbishop | s/them/then/ |
| 18:27.25 | stew | mbishop: afaik, erc is now included in emacs, so i think it's the fault of emacs-snapshot in any case |
| 18:27.40 | mbishop | stew: yeah, it is included |
| 18:27.54 | stew | mbishop: did you file a bug? |
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| 18:28.03 | mbishop | stew: yep |
| 18:28.07 | quitte | having more than one controller is always a pain. especially if linux loads the drivers in a different order than bios sees the disks. |
| 18:28.10 | hejux | hi |
| 18:28.21 | hejux | not yet sleep ? |
| 18:28.32 | mbishop | stew: and I just did what you suggested, and emacs21-bin-common and emacs21-common installed fine :) |
| 18:29.09 | belkin | quitte , gutano the layout is this: onboard ide port1 dvd&dvdrw ide controller card port1 hdd (with debian) ide controller card port2 hdd (ubuntu formated but filesystem deleted) |
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| 18:29.35 | belkin | quitte , gutano booting with the ide controller card port2 hdd (ubuntu formated but filesystem deleted) i get kernel panic |
| 18:29.52 | Razva | ok, network problem solved :D thanks! next, I have 2 questions: 1) what is appletalk? 2) how can I see/enable/disable the running services, and how can I edit the services starting at startup? |
| 18:29.59 | belkin | quitte , gutano the ide controller card port2 hdd had no jumper .. not even the ide controller card port1 hdd |
| 18:30.01 | quitte | belkin: do you know if the harddisk is seen as hda or hdc by linux? |
| 18:30.28 | belkin | quitte the main one as hda and the 2nd one as hdf1 |
| 18:30.34 | gutano | belkin: unless you are having troubles booting off the opticals when they are on the controller, you will probably find less hastle with the HDD's on the mobo |
| 18:30.47 | quitte | holy shit. does anyone understand that? |
| 18:30.49 | gutano | belkin: chained |
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| 18:30.59 | fredl | has anybody here tried running Debian in a Solaris zone? |
| 18:31.08 | gutano | quitte: controller.... port 1: hdd port 2: hdd |
| 18:31.22 | gutano | quitte: mobo.... port 1: optical + optical (chained) |
| 18:31.26 | quitte | gutano: yes, but the hda and hdf mapping? |
| 18:32.01 | gutano | quitte: hd a-d are usually given to mobo.... weird setup =/ |
| 18:32.11 | Epos85 | hello dudes |
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| 18:32.13 | kspath | belkin: Are both IDE controllers on your motherboard? Are any IDE controllers PCI cards? |
| 18:32.18 | Epos85 | anyone know about a web-app who can stream video? |
| 18:32.23 | belkin | quitte thats how it is mannn hdf1 im telling yoyu |
| 18:32.24 | Epos85 | php\perl\whatever....(?) |
| 18:32.24 | gutano | belkin, quitte: afk for about 20 mins |
| 18:32.28 | Epos85 | on demand.. |
| 18:32.34 | Razva | ok, netatalk solved but I really didn't found the place where to edit/start/stop the services... |
| 18:32.34 | quitte | gutano: whats even weirder is that the controler comes first - then mobo - then controller again |
| 18:32.48 | Razva | logic, in init.d, but are the all starting there? |
| 18:32.57 | gutano | quitte: *shrug* =/ i'll jump back into convo when I get back, heh |
| 18:32.58 | po0k | is "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" the same as "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" ? |
| 18:33.06 | Razva | what should I do in order to set the box to not start one of the services at startup? |
| 18:33.16 | belkin | gutano ok thanks |
| 18:33.33 | belkin | gutano i will paste you the grub conf when you get back |
| 18:33.34 | quitte | belkin you are still installing? |
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| 18:33.40 | belkin | yes |
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| 18:33.50 | belkin | i will get x working now |
| 18:33.56 | quitte | belkin: ok. so there is some hope that it will just work |
| 18:33.57 | kspath | belkin: Please consider putting all your information about your issue into a file so you can provide all the "details" in a pastebin when/if requested. |
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| 18:34.00 | stew | po0k: yes |
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| 18:34.11 | fredl | are Enlightenment DR17 debs already official by any chance? |
| 18:34.56 | kspath | belkin: You can use your own /lastlog belkin to gather the information together that you already gave to gutano and quitte. |
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| 18:35.07 | goron | The refresh rate of my monitor is suddenly limited to 70Hz. I was always able to use it at 85 Hz. I didn't change my xorg.conf. What can I do about this? |
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| 18:35.39 | quitte | belkin: i'd ignore x right now and try if it still works after rebooting. |
| 18:35.46 | fredl | oh that's handy that /lastlog |
| 18:35.48 | Tassium | goron: What'd you change? Did you install or upgrade any packages? |
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| 18:36.05 | belkin | quitte ok then |
| 18:36.23 | goron | Tassium: I think I upgraded KDE. |
| 18:36.27 | trenka | goron: after upgrading to xorg 7.0 I had to disable reading information from monitor in my nvidia |
| 18:36.37 | quitte | belkin: i bet i hope even more than you that it just works now |
| 18:36.45 | goron | trenka: I don't understand you. |
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| 18:36.54 | fredl | goron - did you check the xorg logfile? |
| 18:36.56 | belkin | quitte so how do you thing is better ide controller card port1 hdd with debian master and on the same ide cable 2nd hdd slave ? |
| 18:37.09 | quitte | belkin: do not touch it! |
| 18:37.21 | fredl | are Enlightenment DR17 debs already official (in unstable that is!) by any chance? |
| 18:37.27 | belkin | quitte or controller card port1 hdd (with debian) ide controller card port2 hdd (stuff on it) ? |
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| 18:37.50 | stew | fredl: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:38.10 | quitte | belkin: unless it doesnt work the way it is now do not touch it. it will change the order of disks in a way that isnt trivial to predict |
| 18:38.13 | goron | fredl: I don't see anything wrong in that file. |
| 18:38.20 | fredl | stew - hmm doesn't seem to do anything. |
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| 18:38.28 | stew | !tell fredl about search |
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| 18:38.47 | goron | trenka: What do you mean by "disable reading information"? And did you have the same problem? |
| 18:38.53 | quitte | belkin: but yes, i think it was best to have your ide disks available as hda and hdb - which means both connected to the first port of the ide controller card |
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| 18:39.06 | belkin | quitte well now the secound hdd its not pluged in ... i have to shutdown the box and plug the 2nd hdd in .. where should i ? |
| 18:39.19 | quitte | hgngng |
| 18:39.29 | fredl | oh! I thought I'd give dpkg a search string behind that :P |
| 18:39.32 | quitte | belkin: i assumed you installed with both hdds connected |
| 18:39.39 | trenka | goron: I had the same problem, I have nvidia card and upgraded xorg. There was a transition to xorg 7.0 recently in unstable |
| 18:39.47 | stew | quitte: you recommend running both harddrives on the same port? why, when there are other ports available? |
| 18:39.56 | belkin | quitte no i didnt .. i was afraid not to delete some stuff from the 2nd hdd ;) |
| 18:40.07 | goron | trenka: Ok, great. What did you change? |
| 18:40.10 | quitte | stew so the chances bios and linux do not agree on layout are small |
| 18:40.12 | fredl | is sarge already frozen? |
| 18:40.19 | quitte | stew please read the whole lastlog |
| 18:40.26 | belkin | quitte so what now put the 2nd hdd where ? |
| 18:40.29 | stew | fredl: sarge was released on june 2005 |
| 18:40.31 | Ronin | fredl: sarge has been frozien for some time |
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| 18:40.35 | fredl | ehr |
| 18:40.38 | fredl | *mumble* |
| 18:40.53 | fredl | sid, right? |
| 18:40.55 | quitte | belkin: jumper the first as master and the second as slave and put them to the first port of your controller |
| 18:41.01 | stew | fredl: what about sid? |
| 18:41.05 | Ronin | fredl: perhaps you mean etch=testing? |
| 18:41.19 | trenka | goron: I had to add 'Option "UseEdidFreqs" "false"' and 2 more into Device section and set HorizSync and VertRefresh for monitor. If you find more nice solution -- you are welcome |
| 18:41.25 | stew | fredl: sid will never, ever freeze |
| 18:41.32 | kspath | fredl: Sarge/Stable Etch/Testing Sid/Unstable |
| 18:41.50 | fredl | ok... |
| 18:41.57 | belkin | quitte ok |
| 18:42.02 | fredl | excuse me for having been out of the loop a little :) |
| 18:42.06 | goron | trenka: So who made the error? Xorg? |
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| 18:42.32 | kimo | Hi anyone knows of a good *integrated* package for filtering spam?? I think PSCM is good, but their website seems down since yesterday. Any recommendations ? |
| 18:42.38 | fredl | stew - huh? eventually Sid will become stable, right? or am I missing something? |
| 18:42.47 | dondelelcaro | kimo: integrated with what? |
| 18:42.49 | asg | kimo: spamassassin, dspam |
| 18:42.52 | quitte | kimo: what do you mean by integrated? |
| 18:42.53 | fredl | or does Sid always remain unstable? |
| 18:43.01 | Ronin | fredl: sid is always unstable |
| 18:43.01 | dondelelcaro | fredl: sid is always unstable. |
| 18:43.04 | trenka | goron: I do not know |
| 18:43.05 | cureless | fredl: sid is always unstable |
| 18:43.08 | stew | fredl: no, once testing is released, a new testing is created. sid is always unstable |
| 18:43.11 | kimo | as in postfix+amavis+spamassassin ... |
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| 18:43.15 | asg | fredl: sometimes it's so unstable that it will eat your children |
| 18:43.18 | fredl | aaah ok. |
| 18:43.37 | fredl | asg - yeah I know, I've been running unstable for years but I always referred to it as unstable. |
| 18:44.20 | fredl | And how much is testing usually lagging behind unstable? A few weeks? |
| 18:44.40 | azeem | fredl: that depends on the particular package |
| 18:44.42 | stew | fredl: a few days to a few weeks depending on the pacakge |
| 18:44.44 | asg | fredl: 2 to 7 days usually |
| 18:44.45 | cureless | fredl: depends on what packages, at what time in the release cycle, etc. |
| 18:45.08 | azeem | it is quite common that the version in testing and unstable is the same |
| 18:45.21 | fredl | but now I cannot really afford to have my system eat my children anymore :P |
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| 18:45.36 | cureless | fredl: use stable |
| 18:45.39 | ttl- | i just installed etch with installer 3.1R2 |
| 18:45.58 | fredl | Hmm. |
| 18:46.10 | ttl- | the installer was hanging at grub install |
| 18:46.19 | fredl | you wouldn't recommend testing then cureless? |
| 18:46.27 | Ronin | not if you cant afford downtime |
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| 18:47.14 | cureless | fredl: no, too much work. Then again, I've no idea what you need. |
| 18:47.30 | _Brandon_ | i have a problem running swat i get this error Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read! but i have disable printing on smb.conf |
| 18:47.51 | ttl- | i killed all processes related to grub |
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| 18:48.13 | redloff | hi, I have an all-in-one hp 3055 with ethernet.. is there a way to send file on a printer's ip using some specific protocol and have it printed, or do I have to configure each host separately? |
| 18:48.22 | ttl- | and found the problem had something to do with the cdrom not responding anymore |
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| 18:48.49 | cureless | redloff: depends on the printer. Modern network printers can use IPP or LPD |
| 18:48.52 | fredl | cureless - Well it's a bit of a judgement call I guess. I want to back out of my current distro and go debian again. My experience in the past was that stable was always a bit too dusty, but unstable would be crashing too often for my liking, so I figure testing could be a nice solution. |
| 18:48.56 | ttl- | so i remounted the cdrom and tried again to install grub from the installer |
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| 18:49.09 | ttl- | it installed fine |
| 18:49.19 | redloff | cureless, it supports lpd for sure, what do I do? |
| 18:49.19 | ttl- | i rebooted the system |
| 18:49.21 | cureless | fredl: what happened to eating the children? |
| 18:49.39 | ttl- | but there is still a problem |
| 18:49.40 | cureless | redloff: just configure lpd or cups to use it. |
| 18:49.54 | redloff | cureless, on each host that wants to use it? |
| 18:49.58 | ttl- | when i try to install something with apt-get |
| 18:50.07 | kspath | fredl: stable plus backports? |
| 18:50.23 | cureless | redloff: well, somehow you'll need to tell each host about it. |
| 18:50.30 | kspath | !tell fredl about backports |
| 18:50.44 | cureless | redloff: you either point them all to the printer, or set a master spooler and point all the hosts to it. |
| 18:51.20 | redloff | thought it could be configuration independent.. you know I send sth on an ip and the printer just filters it and then prints |
| 18:51.23 | ttl- | i pasted the errors i get with paster |
| 18:51.27 | redloff | would be cool |
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| 18:51.58 | cureless | redloff: I don't really know what you mean or what the problem is. |
| 18:52.10 | redloff | so I apt-get install cupsys, add printer, set it to lpd and that would be all? |
| 18:52.15 | belkin | quitte works |
| 18:52.24 | izut | Hi. Someone here uses a Palm PDA with Debian Sarge? |
| 18:52.25 | fredl | kspath, cureless - Well, I need to use my computer to develop with (ie. make money with it:) backports seems like a good solution, I'll check out if the environment that I need is in there. |
| 18:52.27 | cureless | redloff: more or less. |
| 18:52.29 | redloff | ;] |
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| 18:52.42 | redloff | cureless, do I need dome fancy magincfilters? |
| 18:52.46 | redloff | *some |
| 18:52.49 | belkin | quitte they are both on the same port one slave one master both on ide controller ... working |
| 18:52.54 | cureless | redloff: depends on the printer. |
| 18:52.55 | fredl | omry? |
| 18:53.01 | redloff | oh |
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| 18:53.14 | omry | fredl ? |
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| 18:53.18 | redloff | ok, thx a lot |
| 18:53.30 | omry | fredl, and your real name is? |
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| 18:53.40 | cureless | redloff: best printers are just postscript. But most printers now have cups drivers (you might need to download some though) |
| 18:53.45 | fredl | omry - I used to go by (don't laugh) Pixie on EFnet |
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| 18:54.21 | fredl | omry - does that ring a bell? |
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| 18:54.21 | belkin | gutano problem solved .. thanks a lot |
| 18:54.21 | belkin | quitte thanks man |
| 18:54.21 | omry | fredl, no, not really. the only fred I know is a fredi, and I don't know his IRC nick. |
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| 18:55.11 | ttl- | i pasted the error in #flood also |
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| 18:57.51 | redloff | assuming it supports both, which protocol is better lpd ir ipp? |
| 18:57.57 | redloff | *or |
| 18:58.02 | FromTO | what command does cups use for printing |
| 18:58.06 | quitte | belkin: hooray |
| 18:58.12 | thomasb | Hi, Anybody use SVGATextMode on any recent laptop (with unsupported video cards, mine=ATI Radeon x1400). Could you kindly direct me on how to go about it ? |
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| 18:58.17 | redloff | heh, another cups fighter ;] |
| 18:58.21 | francois_ | hello |
| 18:58.26 | unstable | !greet francois_ |
| 18:58.26 | dpkg | Tag, francois_ |
| 18:58.52 | unstable | thomasb: I use the "vesa" driver for that. the xorg's "ati" floss driver doesn't work for m.e |
| 18:58.56 | francois_ | what are the packages to be installed so as to fix the prob of small fonts occuring with sarge |
| 18:59.11 | francois_ | (in apps such as xmms, etc.) |
| 18:59.16 | unstable | francois_: apt-get install xfonts-base? |
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| 18:59.40 | francois_ | this package is installed and up to date |
| 19:00.08 | thomasb | unstable: I don't see a "vesa" in /etc/TextConfig. Are you refering to X.org or SVGATextMode ? |
| 19:00.23 | kspath | thomasb: I seem to remember using the documentation that came with the package and/or the manual page. I tried numerous settings until I found out all the settings that "worked" and that I could tolerate. |
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| 19:00.59 | kspath | thomasb: regarding SVGATextMode |
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| 19:01.48 | thomasb | I have X11 working with a vesa driver. It is the TextMode that I would like to configure. |
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| 19:04.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:04.51 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:05.24 | Tassium | thomasb: svgatextmode may do what you're asking for |
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| 19:13.32 | izut | I want to use kernel 2.6 in sarge, there are some way to do that? |
| 19:14.00 | stan-whitfield | izut: you want a prebuilt kernel, or do you want to build one yourself? |
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| 19:14.08 | Tassium | Install the appropriate kernel-image. You'll probably have to upgrade some other packages to satisfy the dependencies. |
| 19:14.10 | izut | stan-whitfield: prebuilt. |
| 19:14.22 | izut | Tassium: but it still be sarge? |
| 19:14.23 | thingfish | izut: apt-get one. |
| 19:14.25 | Bethy^^ | has anybody developed an installer that will boot off a usb key? |
| 19:14.31 | izut | I don't want to upgrade to testing. |
| 19:14.35 | stan-whitfield | izut: go with Tassium's suggestoin |
| 19:14.39 | thingfish | izut: there are 2.6 kernels for sarge. |
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| 19:14.47 | quitte | Bethy^^: yes such a installer exists |
| 19:14.47 | stan-whitfield | any NTP gods around? |
| 19:14.48 | thingfish | izut: totally official and everything. |
| 19:15.14 | izut | ok |
| 19:15.17 | thingfish | izut: you can even install sarge using the included 2.6 kernel. |
| 19:15.39 | stan-whitfield | anyone here that supports/administers SuSE as well as Debian? |
| 19:15.44 | quitte | Bethy^^: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer has images for that |
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| 19:16.41 | Angels2 | enter "linux26" on boot prompt of the installer :P |
| 19:17.00 | izut | ok. |
| 19:17.04 | go0go | How do I install apache so that php works? |
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| 19:17.27 | izut | thingfish: it's installing just kernel-image. |
| 19:17.27 | stan-whitfield | I'm supporting 600 laptops, and SuSE by default only supports NTP as a daemon, but has no package similar to Debian's nptdate. I'd rather run ntpdate on laptops than an NTP daemon, which doesn't really make sense for roaming, occasionally connected machines. |
| 19:17.43 | Tassium | stan-whitfield: How about 'rdate'? |
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| 19:17.53 | rpt | How can I keep /etc/resolv.conf untouched the way I edit it manually, instead of my secondary nic eth1 messing with it (dhcp, always replaces it with the router ip)? |
| 19:18.01 | stan-whitfield | Tassium: is rdate part of SLED 10? |
| 19:18.07 | tarzeau | rpt: change the permission of it? |
| 19:18.14 | Tassium | stan-whitfield: I have no idea what SLED 10 is. Sorry. |
| 19:18.16 | stan-whitfield | Tassium: if so, I'll check it out. |
| 19:18.17 | valdyn | rpt: if you really want to do that, apt-get remove resolvconf |
| 19:18.18 | tarzeau | rpt: say remove all write access of it? |
| 19:18.33 | thingfish | izut: what kind of cpu is in the box? |
| 19:18.40 | izut | duron |
| 19:18.47 | izut | kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 19:18.49 | valdyn | rpt: uh, and.. |
| 19:18.50 | rpt | tarzeau: hm yea good idea :D tho if removing resolvconf would work thatd be nice too :) |
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| 19:18.58 | rpt | valdyn: yea think i got the pic heheh |
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| 19:19.19 | valdyn | rpt: you can just flag that file immutable too |
| 19:19.22 | Tassium | rpt: I think you can also configure your DHCP client to not accept certain things from the DHCP server |
| 19:19.28 | go0go | I've tried installing them multiple ways, but... |
| 19:19.55 | valdyn | rpt: and edit dhclient.conf |
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| 19:20.30 | izut | thingfish: thanks. I'll reboot the box now. |
| 19:20.35 | thingfish | ;) |
| 19:20.48 | go0go | Anyone? Apache+PHP? |
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| 19:21.24 | Tassium | go0go: what have you tried? |
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| 19:21.37 | rpt | i didnt have resolvconf installed and dhclient.conf seems fine as it is :p ill just remove write permissions to the fil |
| 19:21.37 | aarchie | can anyone recommend a VoIP application in Debian which uses UPnP? |
| 19:21.47 | valdyn | go0go: that's probably in the faq, its for sure in libapache-mod-php's ( sp? ) /usr/share/doc/ files |
| 19:21.55 | go0go | Tassium, I've installed apache, apache2, the php3 and 4 packages, and the php cgi. |
| 19:22.03 | go0go | Tassium, Not at the same time, of course. I'm not that stupid. |
| 19:22.11 | stan-whitfield | Tassium: [S]uSE [L]inux [E]nterprise [D]esktop 10 |
| 19:22.24 | valdyn | go0go: missing libapache-mod-php completely? |
| 19:22.28 | Tassium | stan-whitfield: This is #debian, you'd have to ask in #suse |
| 19:22.45 | stan-whitfield | Tassium: I took a job where SuSE is the Linux of choice. I'm a Debian man. |
| 19:22.53 | go0go | valdyn, is that a apache1 or 2 thing? |
| 19:23.07 | stan-whitfield | Tassium: #SuSE is full of "noobs", if you know what I mean... |
| 19:23.28 | valdyn | go0go: both, libapache-mod-php[45] got apache, and libapache2-mod-php[45] for apache2 |
| 19:23.41 | go0go | Oh. Heh... *facepalm* |
| 19:23.44 | stan-whitfield | Tassium: I was hoping so find a Debian person here, like myself, who has to support SuSE as well as Debian |
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| 19:23.48 | rpt | then another question; im still having trouble with IDENTD after i installed a secondary nic, I also tried oidentd with no luck! Id like identd to listen only on a certain ip/interface, suggestions? |
| 19:23.58 | abrotman | stan-whitfield: ask #suse ... they should know more .. if you don't like it .. don't use suse |
| 19:24.24 | stan-whitfield | abrotman: see above. |
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| 19:25.04 | abrotman | stan-whitfield: tough shit? |
| 19:25.08 | stan-whitfield | abrotman: lol |
| 19:25.14 | stan-whitfield | wow |
| 19:25.22 | valdyn | rpt: ident doesnt support being restricted to a specific adress / interface? |
| 19:25.32 | valdyn | rpt: one of the identds even |
| 19:25.36 | rpt | valdyn: I dont know, but the way it is now, it doesnt work atleast not for eth0 |
| 19:25.51 | valdyn | rpt: what 'doesn't work' |
| 19:25.54 | stan-whitfield | so many helpful people active right now.... |
| 19:25.55 | rpt | valdyn: i thought oidentd would, and I tried it, but with no success |
| 19:25.57 | go0go | valdyn, So, they are both installed. But, appearently, not talking to each other. |
| 19:26.10 | stan-whitfield | zero attitude present today (sacasm intented) |
| 19:26.10 | gteppel | I have several project folders under /var/www which are meant to be used by several groups that each contains several members. How can I force a rule that says when somebody creates a folder/file under say project1 that that folder/file in question receives a specific permission set and ownership? For example anything under project1 should be owned by www-data.developer1 and the permissinos should be 770 |
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| 19:26.18 | valdyn | go0go: faq, or /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-php* |
| 19:26.23 | izut | thingfish: It worked, thanks. |
| 19:26.30 | rpt | valdyn: well when I get an ident request, my computer wont send a response, though I checked the firewall I can atleast telnet to potr 113, so firewall should be ok, im behind a nat |
| 19:26.35 | thingfish | izut: good to know. |
| 19:26.55 | HolyGoat | Bah. Bastard sysadmins at work do not allow SSH connections to the world anymore. |
| 19:27.02 | thingfish | stan-whitfield: most folks in here probably just run Debian. |
| 19:27.21 | izut | thingfish: now I just need to make my Palm Z22 work. |
| 19:27.30 | thingfish | stan-whitfield: so there really probably won't be anyone to share war stories with. ;) |
| 19:27.35 | Tassium | HolyGoat: Run your SSH server on a non-standard port. Maybe you can connect that way? |
| 19:27.39 | izut | thingfish: do you have any tip for that? |
| 19:27.55 | abrotman | stan-whitfield: maybe noone is helping you .. because you're asking about suse .. wow .. what a concept .. people in #debian don't want to help with SuSE |
| 19:28.05 | HolyGoat | Tassium: I've now set it to 443, maybe I can trick them that way. I'm not sure if they analyze the packets though. I can try it at work tomorrow. |
| 19:28.06 | thingfish | izut: no, I sure don't unfortunately. I don't own any sort of Palm device. |
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| 19:28.32 | izut | Damn. |
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| 19:28.53 | HolyGoat | Their excuse was that it could create a backdoor somehow if they allowed outgoing SSH. I wonder how. |
| 19:28.59 | go0go | valdyn, I followed those instructions. get nastyness when I try to restart apache2. |
| 19:29.04 | valdyn | rpt: no idea, i cant help with identd, i can just help with network issues |
| 19:29.05 | go0go | apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 19:29.08 | Supaplex | with tcpdump, how can I use packets x to y ? I'd like to save it out to a second file. eg, tcpdump -r in -w out .... |
| 19:29.22 | rpt | valdyn: hm ok, thanks for your help on resolv.conf :) |
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| 19:31.49 | hejux | hi! |
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| 19:32.10 | hejux | linux VS freebsd ? which better |
| 19:32.11 | thingfish | !greet hejux |
| 19:32.11 | dpkg | Moo, hejux |
| 19:32.20 | abrotman | !tell hejux about why debian |
| 19:32.37 | asg | hejux: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 19:33.10 | hejux | .. |
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| 19:33.30 | hejux | The best packaging system in the world? |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | !tell hejux about why debian |
| 19:33.57 | mentor | !hi |
| 19:33.58 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 19:33.58 | hejux | i see |
| 19:34.35 | mentor | meh |
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| 19:35.38 | hejux | i am moving windows-->debian-->gentoo-->debian-->windows ... |
| 19:36.10 | abrotman | sorry to hear that .. have a nice day |
| 19:36.19 | thingfish | yeah, that sounds logical. |
| 19:36.43 | mentor | !best |
| 19:36.44 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 19:37.15 | thingfish | why everyone knows the best is Mom. |
| 19:37.26 | asg | thingfish: or MS Bob |
| 19:37.30 | thingfish | heh |
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| 19:37.35 | Tassium | thingfish: I wasn't gonna start telling them how good your Mom is, thought you might get upset |
| 19:37.38 | abrotman | i'm tempted to add David Hasslehoff .. just for streuner |
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| 19:37.56 | dinand | test |
| 19:37.57 | mentor | dpkg no best is <reply>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:37.58 | dpkg | mentor: okay |
| 19:37.59 | Supaplex | !test |
| 19:37.59 | dpkg | No, supaplex, you're not online any more. |
| 19:38.01 | mentor | !best |
| 19:38.01 | thingfish | hardy har har, Tassium. ;) |
| 19:38.01 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 19:38.06 | mentor | much better :) |
| 19:38.27 | Tassium | thingfish: Sorry, I couldn't bite my tongue ;) |
| 19:38.32 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:38.48 | abrotman | mentor: wtf did you change? |
| 19:39.08 | hejux | what is the future of linux ? |
| 19:39.16 | abrotman | hejux: ask ##linux |
| 19:39.17 | thingfish | capitalization, for one. |
| 19:39.22 | abrotman | thingfish: that's all i see |
| 19:39.28 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 19:39.31 | Supaplex | yea, like LINUX. ;) |
| 19:39.31 | hejux | i was reading the history of OS |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: cows! |
| 19:39.41 | Supaplex | !moo |
| 19:39.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:39.49 | thingfish | added period after "best" |
| 19:40.02 | Bethy^^ | the period should go inside the quote. |
| 19:40.13 | Wonko | I want to add an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list but I don't know the exact syntax. For etch the line would look like 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main' but there is also a pool directory. Maybe it's not ment to be put in sources.list? |
| 19:40.22 | thingfish | Bethy^^: I don't think so. |
| 19:40.36 | Supaplex | I let the woman handle her own periods ;) |
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| 19:41.17 | thingfish | good one |
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| 19:43.08 | thingfish | now I'm going to have to consult that chicago book of style or whatever it's called. |
| 19:43.32 | thingfish | you know, the writer's handbook? |
| 19:43.43 | Tassium | Ewww, no, writers do things really oddly. |
| 19:44.01 | thingfish | some do, yes. |
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| 19:45.50 | gteppel | Is there a way to force that whenever a user creates a file under a specific folder that that file is owned by somebody else, like www-data??? |
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| 19:47.19 | Tassium | gteppel: Look into setuid and setgid |
| 19:47.31 | Tassium | gteppel: especially 'man chmod' |
| 19:47.35 | gteppel | Tassium: ok |
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| 19:49.19 | goron | What does mv do when the disk is full? |
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| 19:50.07 | HolyGoat | Wow. Those bastards at work even do packet analysis or something. Running sshd on port 443 doesn't trick them. |
| 19:50.22 | azeem | goron: first off, that depends on whether you're moving from one partition to the other, or not |
| 19:50.35 | vol | exit |
| 19:50.37 | vol | er |
| 19:50.38 | goron | azeem: U an |
| 19:50.39 | abrotman | goron: send your data to jersey ... |
| 19:50.45 | goron | azeem: I am |
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| 19:52.07 | gteppel | Tassium: I looked at setuid, but it doesn't look like I can use it to set a default user for files created under a directory |
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| 19:52.16 | gteppel | and man chmod didn't yield any promising results |
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| 19:52.38 | pkern | buxy: ping |
| 19:52.57 | pkern | Oh well. |
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| 19:53.07 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 19:54.15 | goron | abrotman: Jersey is comparable to /dev/null ? |
| 19:54.25 | Tassium | goron: No, Jersey is much worse |
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| 19:55.02 | FromTO | I added a network printer with cups. I use cupsdoprint to print. I want to use lp to print but it does not work. spool queue does not exist |
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| 19:55.12 | abrotman | goron: worse .. far worse |
| 19:55.28 | pipeline | FromTO: install cupsys-bsd to get lpr binaries that work |
| 19:55.29 | azeem | FromTO: install cupsys-client and/or cupsys-bsd |
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| 19:56.58 | FromTO | pipeline, azeem thank you |
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| 20:00.20 | RainbowW | okay so i'm trying to do a sarge install. on both the netinst and businesscard images i get the same error, at the same spot. it tries to read the package list from the cd-rom drive, after loading all the device drivers, and i get a failure reading the cd-rom. "Failed to copy file from CDROM. Retry?" retrying doesn't even get the drive to spin up. no takes me back to the main menu. am i looking at a dead drive? |
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| 20:00.48 | Tassium | RainbowW: Have you tried seeing if your BIOS detects the drive? |
| 20:00.57 | kspath | RainbowW: linux26 or default 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:00.59 | azeem | RainbowW: mabye try to burn at a lower speed |
| 20:01.06 | RainbowW | tassium: yeah. it boots off the thing. |
| 20:01.11 | RainbowW | kspath: expert26. |
| 20:01.14 | Tassium | RainbowW: Ah |
| 20:01.25 | hejux | ubuntu or debian? |
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| 20:01.36 | kspath | RainbowW: as azeem is pointing out... Try burning 8x DAO |
| 20:01.36 | azeem | hejux: this is debian |
| 20:01.48 | hejux | :P |
| 20:01.56 | kspath | hejux: This is #debian only. |
| 20:02.07 | hejux | kay |
| 20:02.10 | close_to_debian | i am having problems with my 6100/410 asus mother board |
| 20:02.24 | kspath | RainbowW: Where DAO is Disk At Once |
| 20:02.25 | Tassium | close_to_debian: Send it to me and I'll take a look at it for you. I'll /msg you my shipping address. |
| 20:02.26 | RainbowW | k. will reburn again and see. if that fails am i looking at a trashed drive? |
| 20:02.41 | hejux | i wanna debian ,but dont have enough time |
| 20:02.43 | close_to_debian | i have installed latest alsa drivers but still issues persists |
| 20:03.08 | kspath | RainbowW: Trashed CDROM drive? |
| 20:03.20 | goron | abrotman: seriously, what does it do? Does it roll back the action? |
| 20:03.28 | RainbowW | kspath: yeah. it wouldn't surprise me. (and lowest i can burn is 10x.) |
| 20:03.29 | kspath | RainbowW: How old is the CDROM drive that you are trying to boot/install from? |
| 20:03.31 | close_to_debian | Tassium: Sure, sending it now |
| 20:03.41 | close_to_debian | Tassium: I know your shipping address |
| 20:03.45 | kspath | RainbowW: Why is 10x lowest speed? |
| 20:03.46 | close_to_debian | Tassium: :) |
| 20:03.57 | RainbowW | kspath: well, to give you an idea, it's a laptop that originally shipped with windows 95 preinstalled. |
| 20:04.15 | RainbowW | kspath: dunno. limitation of the drive perhaps? |
| 20:04.17 | kspath | RainbowW: Did you mean that highest you can burn is 10x? |
| 20:04.25 | RainbowW | kspath: no. lowest. |
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| 20:04.33 | mad_ | RainbowW: had the same problem here with different cd's. changed my cdrom drive, then it worked fine. |
| 20:04.38 | kspath | RainbowW: I have never heard of that. |
| 20:04.57 | kspath | RainbowW: I try to only use Plextor so I am some what spoiled. |
| 20:05.17 | RainbowW | mad_: i've been through three drives. it's possible they're all trashed, given their age. kspath: i'm stuck with dell latitude ls drives :) |
| 20:05.38 | bwbettin | Hi everyone. :) In xterm the "bold" fonts, which are displayed using a brighter color, seem to be displayed in a bolder heavier font. I'm trying to figure out how to disable that, so that all my fonts are the same "weight". Pterm, by default on my system, has all of the fonts the same weight and I like it much better. I've tried a lot of different commandline options when starting xterm, but am not having any luck. Does anyone have any sugge |
| 20:06.21 | kspath | RainbowW: When I was using old Dell CDROM drives I just used installers for whatever distribution or OS that were burnt at 8x DAO and there were no more problems. |
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| 20:06.42 | RainbowW | okay well this one is burned at 10x dao, let's see. it's chugging now. |
| 20:06.59 | kspath | RainbowW: Are the drives so old they only go up to 2x or 4x or 8x or 12x? |
| 20:07.01 | RainbowW | nope. same issue. right after reading the pool directories. |
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| 20:07.29 | RainbowW | this is a 24x read drive. |
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| 20:07.50 | kspath | RainbowW: Are you sure your ISO download was ok? |
| 20:08.09 | RainbowW | kspath: md5 looks good. |
| 20:08.28 | kspath | RainbowW: Media issue? Do you have other media? |
| 20:08.44 | RainbowW | kspath: only thing i can do is burn on more cd's. i've been through half a dozen. |
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| 20:09.02 | hejux | hey |
| 20:09.03 | kspath | RainbowW: I had an issue with a drive once that did not like one batch from one brand but another batch from another brand they liked ok. |
| 20:09.07 | goron | If I have a file which is only put somewhere partly with mv, how can I join the two parts together? |
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| 20:09.30 | thug | why fdsik -l is taking to long for a replay ? |
| 20:09.35 | hejux | fontconfig is updated to 2.3 ,how to config ? |
| 20:09.40 | RainbowW | no these are dynex, and i've tried some sonys in it too. i'm leaning real hard toward trashed drive here. |
| 20:09.42 | pipeline | goron: mv doesn't partially move things |
| 20:09.59 | goron | pipeline: It doesn't? Great :) |
| 20:10.01 | pipeline | goron: it either moves in one fell swoop (link and then unlink) or it copies the file and then unlinks it |
| 20:10.12 | pipeline | goron: either way, if the original copy still has a filename, it's still whole :P |
| 20:10.28 | kspath | RainbowW: Only way is to confirm that CDR works in another drive or put another drive in that machine and test again. |
| 20:10.32 | goron | pipeline: So, I can delete the target partial files? |
| 20:10.33 | thug | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:10.34 | pipeline | goron: (mv only copies if you move a file across filesystem boundaries) |
| 20:10.36 | pipeline | goron: yes |
| 20:10.39 | thug | i cannot mount one of my hdd |
| 20:10.41 | thug | its ext3 |
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| 20:11.10 | thug | how do i mount the ext3 type hdd ? |
| 20:11.13 | goron | pipeline: so it gives partial files if somehow the filesystem gets full all of a sudden? |
| 20:11.22 | hejux | is there good forum about debian ? |
| 20:11.27 | goron | pipeline: not crossing boundaries. |
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| 20:11.50 | stew | hejux: http://forums.debian.net |
| 20:11.55 | kspath | !tell hejux about mailing list |
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| 20:12.06 | RainbowW | well, i'm going to try a 2k server install on a known good CD (installed from this CD last week) ... we'll see if that goes anywhere. |
| 20:12.17 | thug | can someone please help me mounting a hdd ext3 file systems type ? |
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| 20:12.23 | hejux | <kspath>: i never used mail list |
| 20:12.25 | mad_ | thug: you know which partition to mount? -> man mount |
| 20:12.32 | RainbowW | thug: man mount. |
| 20:12.38 | kspath | hejux: ok |
| 20:12.46 | thug | mad_ yes i know .. there is only one ;) |
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| 20:13.00 | hejux | well this forum , very new |
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| 20:14.04 | mad_ | thug: mount -t ext3 /dev/sourcepartition /mountpoint |
| 20:14.13 | thug | mad_ RainbowW i know how to do this in fstab "/dev/hdg1 /mountpoint ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 " but when i run mount -a i still get the same error |
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| 20:14.27 | hejux | hackers always use mailing list ? |
| 20:14.29 | ChrisAlt | hi! |
| 20:14.43 | kspath | hejux: What are you asking? |
| 20:14.48 | stew | thug: does /dev/hdg1 show up as a linux partition in "fdisk -l /dev/hdg" ? |
| 20:14.50 | hejux | more info than www and forum ? |
| 20:14.55 | ChrisAlt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.07 | ChrisAlt | I'm planning to install the madwifi drivers |
| 20:15.20 | kspath | hejux: You were given two other major resources other than this and similar channels. |
| 20:15.24 | hejux | does hackers often use mail list ? |
| 20:15.32 | thug | stew it is a linux partition ..i know this for sure fdisk -l /dev/hdg doesnt show me anything |
| 20:15.46 | kspath | hejux: What is a "hacker"? |
| 20:16.05 | mad_ | thug: so /dev/hdg isnt available?! |
| 20:16.21 | kspath | hejux: Do you have another debian question? |
| 20:16.22 | hejux | hackers are with high computer tec. |
| 20:16.24 | thug | mad_ fdisk -l show me the partiton |
| 20:16.38 | thug | mad_ /dev/hdg * 1 19456 156280288+ 83 Linux |
| 20:16.42 | goron | pipeline: ? |
| 20:17.06 | chealer | ChrisAlt: FYI, 2.6.8-2 is out of date in terms of security. you should upgrade to 2.6.8-3 |
| 20:17.07 | hejux | another ? you mean i havn't have one about debian ? |
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| 20:17.40 | kspath | hejux: Try the resources stew and I told you about. No. I am asking if you have an additional debian question. |
| 20:17.54 | mad_ | thug: and the error you get is .. ? |
| 20:18.00 | x`y`-xy | where or hwo can find php.ini |
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| 20:18.02 | hejux | hehe ,thanks |
| 20:18.03 | marco13185 | brb |
| 20:18.08 | x`y`-xy | in debian |
| 20:18.08 | hejux | i see |
| 20:18.14 | thug | mad_ wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdg |
| 20:18.45 | pipeline | goron: No. If you're not crossing boundaries, it doesn't copy anything, it just creates a new link and then removes the old one. |
| 20:18.54 | hejux | i have lots of questions if i use debian further |
| 20:19.01 | pipeline | goron: the new link only requires an inode, no new space allocated on the disk. |
| 20:19.17 | mad_ | thug: sounds, that you should check the partition, i think |
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| 20:19.50 | thug | mad_ heh ok ... in ubuntu works here not ;) |
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| 20:20.13 | mad_ | thug: then i have no other ideas |
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| 20:20.45 | thug | mad_ ok no problem . thanks |
| 20:21.06 | hejux | linux is going to seperate ,when i asked a question about debian in gentoo room ,they will say this is room #gentoo |
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| 20:21.36 | kspath | hejux: Do you have a question about debian now? |
| 20:21.44 | hejux | if i keep asking ,then kicked |
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| 20:22.23 | hejux | yes , |
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| 20:23.17 | ChrisAlt | chealer: okay. but this doesn't fix my problem yet, does it? |
| 20:23.23 | hejux | 1 how to gent uniform looks when i use grk2 apps under kde ? |
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| 20:23.41 | ChrisAlt | Ill update it, but I guess there will be the same problem as before then with these unconfigured headers? |
| 20:23.42 | hejux | gtk2 ,sorry |
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| 20:23.49 | azeem | hejux: uniform to what? |
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| 20:24.16 | kspath | azeem: hejux was talking about a consistent appearence apparently. |
| 20:24.26 | hejux | you know ,all windows apps have uniform looks , |
| 20:24.34 | _ericb | anyone have a project management tool to suggest (able to produce gantt chart) other than planner ? |
| 20:24.41 | azeem | hejux: all gtk2 look the same, and all kde apps look the same |
| 20:24.44 | chealer | ChrisAlt: quite probably, yes |
| 20:24.48 | azeem | hejux: but gtk2 apps do not look like kde apps |
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| 20:24.51 | kspath | !tell hejux about kde |
| 20:25.11 | azeem | there is no work underway in Debian to make this uniform, AFAIK |
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| 20:25.19 | hejux | <azeem> yeah ,all gtk2 looks diff. with QT apps |
| 20:26.15 | kspath | hejux: Please do not use < or > unless you are quoting someone or talking about redirects or appends. |
| 20:26.19 | hejux | <azeem> so if i install gtk2 apps under kde env. ,it is ugly ... |
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| 20:26.59 | azeem | hejux: eys |
| 20:27.01 | azeem | eh, yes |
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| 20:27.13 | kspath | hejux: You are welcome to use GTK2 apps in a GTK environment. |
| 20:27.17 | hejux | i dont like ugly things |
| 20:27.37 | azeem | hejux: maybe you could install some 3rd party themes |
| 20:28.13 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.45 | marco13185 | hejux, xfce has the best gtk themes |
| 20:28.49 | marco13185 | *gtk2 |
| 20:29.00 | azeem | hejux: maybe, with a lot of effort |
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| 20:29.21 | hejux | okay |
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| 20:29.52 | hejux | second ,about fontconfig , |
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| 20:30.04 | bnoji | I'm getting destination host unreachable on a Class A lan. |
| 20:30.08 | speyer | where do i find the xserver-xfree86 config file ? |
| 20:30.08 | bnoji | Can;t figure out why. |
| 20:30.17 | azeem | speyer: in /etc/X11 |
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| 20:31.14 | hejux | since it is updated to v2.3 or higher ,the local.conf and font.conf disapeared , that makes me trouble |
| 20:31.45 | azeem | hejux: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:31.52 | x`y`-xy | how can restart apache without the the server ?? |
| 20:31.54 | x`y`-xy | hlp me |
| 20:31.59 | kspath | hejux: Sarge/Stable or Etch/Testing or Sid/Unstable? |
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| 20:32.05 | hejux | sid |
| 20:32.32 | azeem | hejux: oh, then you should be able to help yourself |
| 20:32.34 | Shadowcat | sid is currently horribly broken in the graphics arena |
| 20:32.43 | hejux | i was using sarge ,the reinstall to sid |
| 20:32.44 | azeem | hejux: check the BTS for the pacakges |
| 20:33.07 | Shadowcat | heh I'm usually crazy enough to use the expert mode install on the install cds |
| 20:33.13 | Shadowcat | and I always point them to unstable repositories |
| 20:33.16 | kspath | !tell hejux about sid |
| 20:33.20 | kspath | !tell hejux about unstable |
| 20:33.22 | hejux | that is not the bussness of sid |
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| 20:33.29 | x`y`-xy | who can tell me how can restart apache without the the server ?? |
| 20:33.36 | tarzeau | x`y`-xy: huh? |
| 20:33.37 | azeem | without the server? |
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| 20:33.46 | kspath | x`y`-xy: What does "without the server" mean? |
| 20:33.49 | hejux | maybe you dont care about fontconfig |
| 20:33.50 | x`y`-xy | yes ...the machine |
| 20:33.54 | azeem | x`y`-xy: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:33.57 | tarzeau | x`y`-xy: you mean remotely? |
| 20:34.03 | dimir | !nickometer x`y`-xy |
| 20:34.04 | dpkg | 'x`y`-xy' is 80.000% lame, dimir |
| 20:34.19 | hejux | because you dont need to congfig font if using English |
| 20:34.21 | azeem | dimir: please /msg the bot |
| 20:35.16 | hejux | sid is also very stable i think |
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| 20:35.30 | kspath | x`y`-xy: Are you asking how to restart apache somewhere/somehow without any access to the "server" running apache? |
| 20:35.48 | kspath | !tell hejux about unstable |
| 20:35.56 | x`y`-xy | i make modification in php.ini and i want to load the new setings |
| 20:35.57 | azeem | kspath: I think you did that already |
| 20:36.08 | kspath | azeem: Sorry. You are correct. |
| 20:36.43 | hejux | so ,i;d better use sarge ? |
| 20:36.51 | speyer | how do i restart x ? |
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| 20:37.33 | thingfish | speyer: log out then ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:37.46 | speyer | thanks |
| 20:37.52 | x`y`-xy | ok ...i find the solution : /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:38.39 | hejux | i surpose ,there are only sid and stable ,this will do good to debian |
| 20:39.07 | hejux | and donnt need to support so many plantforms |
| 20:39.43 | kspath | hejux: Sarge is Stable now. Etch is testing now. Sid will always be Unstable. |
| 20:40.15 | hejux | i know , i am not new to debian ,i think , |
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| 20:40.29 | thingfish | hejux: but our wonderful Debian Developer cadres *enjoy* having loads and loads of work. |
| 20:40.31 | hellangel | hey guys |
| 20:41.17 | nethenson | hello |
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| 20:41.29 | kspath | hejux: Testing and Unstable are often changing. Stable is intended to be something steady/trusted with security updates that are tested. |
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| 20:42.43 | rollergrrl | Does anyone remember the name of that text game where get more population and you have to buy more farms, etc each turn? I'm tring to see if the is a deb package for it. |
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| 20:43.06 | Blissex | rollergrrl: Hammurabi |
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| 20:43.35 | thingfish | sound kind of fun. |
| 20:43.37 | junix|work | i need to get php loaded into my apache config i am unsure how, could somoene tell me please? |
| 20:43.39 | thingfish | *sounds |
| 20:43.40 | hejux | how many years since debian come to earth ? |
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| 20:43.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:43.57 | rollergrrl | Blissex: sweet thanks!!! |
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| 20:44.36 | hejux | hey , how do you think of Mac OS X ? |
| 20:44.52 | Supaplex | hejux: how? or what? |
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| 20:44.59 | Supaplex | Iuse my brain, that's how. |
| 20:45.12 | hejux | both |
| 20:45.18 | kspath | !tell junix|work about php |
| 20:45.21 | kspath | !tell junix|work about php4 |
| 20:45.26 | kspath | !tell junix|work about php5 |
| 20:45.29 | goron | pipeline: I can't say mv doesn't fuck up my data. A movie file now has the tag "data" in the output of file. |
| 20:45.32 | junix|work | i'm using apache2 |
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| 20:45.54 | hejux | and will linux beat MS down ? you belive or not ? |
| 20:46.06 | kspath | junix|work: Are you using an apache2 Debian package? |
| 20:46.12 | junix|work | yes |
| 20:46.19 | Supaplex | we have great apathy for ms. we'll do what we think is best. |
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| 20:46.32 | kspath | hejux: There is a #linux channel for general linux speculation. |
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| 20:46.39 | junix|work | ok... |
| 20:46.42 | hejux | ok |
| 20:46.43 | junix|work | i can't get help here? |
| 20:46.53 | dsl911 | quit |
| 20:46.54 | hejux | forget this |
| 20:46.57 | Aap | hey, i have a litlle problem with apache2, here is my logfile: http://pastebin.com/706123 |
| 20:47.04 | kspath | junix|work: Did someone say you could not get help from anyone? |
| 20:47.10 | junix|work | no |
| 20:47.28 | junix|work | but i figured since it was debian i could get help from debian maintainers |
| 20:47.31 | hejux | 3--- download tools |
| 20:47.36 | Supaplex | junix|work: are you using mod php or the cgi? if you want better answers, ask smarter questions. (/msg dpkg smart questions) |
| 20:47.38 | nooki | Hello! I'm rather new to linux and was wondering... I have a spare computer lying around and I'd like to dedicate it to debian. How easy would it be to install it via ssh, or how much do I need to configure on it before I can carry on just by using ssh? |
| 20:47.54 | kspath | junix|work: There are mailing lists if you want to query some that might be in other time zones that use mail lists. |
| 20:48.02 | kspath | !tell junix|work about mailing list |
| 20:48.08 | junix|work | Supaplex: i will be using mod php |
| 20:48.27 | thingfish | finally found it - hejux, the first Debian distribution was announced on august 16, 1993. |
| 20:48.28 | kspath | junix|work: There are also mailing list archives. That is not to say that there is not help here. Just additional possible resources. |
| 20:48.36 | Aap | nooki: i don't know if you can install it by ssh.... |
| 20:48.39 | Supaplex | nooki: you could install it with a cd. and you don't need X to run it, so ssh is available off the start. (you might have to install ssh, but I don't recall) |
| 20:48.42 | thingfish | or so says wikipedia. |
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| 20:48.56 | efaistos | some grub experts ? |
| 20:49.00 | junix|work | kspath: i see |
| 20:49.08 | Supaplex | !tell efaistos about ask |
| 20:49.09 | hejux | wget is most used ,and flashget is well know under windows ,hey ,do you know there is an app. called thunder ? |
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| 20:49.24 | Aap | hey, i have a litlle problem with apache2, here is my logfile: http://pastebin.com/706123 |
| 20:49.25 | hejux | <thingfish> haha ,thanks in deed |
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| 20:49.45 | Supaplex | it's permasunday here :) |
| 20:49.48 | thingfish | hejux: wikipedia has a nice article about Debian. |
| 20:50.13 | hejux | wikipedia is baned by Gov. |
| 20:50.14 | Aap | is there a channel for apache? |
| 20:50.18 | abrotman | #apache |
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| 20:50.46 | Aap | abrotman: can you look for a minute http://pastebin.com/706123 |
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| 20:51.11 | zachhale | does anyone want a free domain name? |
| 20:51.18 | kspath | !tell Aap about apache2 |
| 20:51.20 | abrotman | Aap: doesn't quite seem related |
| 20:51.20 | thingfish | hejux: oh yes, that's right, I forgot that would be true for you. |
| 20:51.21 | Aap | abrotman: this is what my /var/log/apache2/error.log is |
| 20:51.23 | zachhale | i'll give anyone squidsuds.com if they want it |
| 20:51.35 | nooki | Aap, Supaplex, okay, thanks! I was hoping it could be done via ssh, but that's alright, I'll just use my current monitor for the time of the installation. It's a rather old computer though, a pentium II 300mhz, heh. |
| 20:51.39 | abrotman | Aap: something keeps killing it .. then restarting it |
| 20:51.41 | hejux | really be baned |
| 20:51.57 | hejux | i cant visit |
| 20:52.02 | thingfish | hejux: try this then: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 20:52.29 | Aap | abrotman: but i don't have anything that kills it( well i did)... |
| 20:52.34 | JasonX | cp -a is copying the smb mounts also - can i prevent this or do i have to dismount them first |
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| 20:53.43 | hejux | volunteers produced debian ,but employers produced nothing here , |
| 20:55.00 | thingfish | hejux: I'm sure china will produce plenty as it makes progress in areas like software technology. |
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| 20:55.12 | RainbowW | well, changing manufacturers didn't help on my bad cd problem, but it installs 2k server okay (boo hoo). |
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| 20:55.27 | kspath | I thought china had their own official linux |
| 20:55.55 | thingfish | kspath: I seem to have heard something about that too, once upon a time...red flag linux wasn't it? |
| 20:55.57 | hejux | <kspath>: own ?\ |
| 20:56.17 | kspath | thingfish: Sounds familiar but I knew nothing about it. |
| 20:56.31 | thingfish | hejux: does red flag linux still exist over there? |
| 20:56.35 | hejux | yeah there is redflag |
| 20:56.58 | hejux | yes mainly for enterprise users |
| 20:57.01 | thingfish | ah |
| 20:57.31 | hejux | codes are free ,support are expensive |
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| 20:57.45 | thingfish | hejux: that's true everywhere. :) |
| 20:58.00 | kspath | #debian is free |
| 20:58.17 | thingfish | yeah, true... |
| 20:58.18 | abrotman | Aap: something is sending it SIGTERM |
| 20:58.27 | kspath | debian forums and mailing lists and www.debian.org are free |
| 20:58.41 | hejux | we produced a kylin OS ,but it is based bsd unix |
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| 20:59.24 | Aap | abrotman: can i find out what ? |
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| 20:59.52 | abrotman | look in your cron tasks ? |
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| 21:01.01 | Aap | abrotman: can't find anything |
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| 21:01.25 | kspath | Aap: Did you check root crontab and /etc/crontab and apache user crontab? |
| 21:01.39 | RainbowW | so i guess i'm totally and undeniably screwed on this install. |
| 21:01.43 | Aap | kspath: how do you do that |
| 21:01.53 | hejux | 5:00 here in the morning , this is one of another whole night , go to sleep now |
| 21:02.37 | hejux | MS is dangrous ,so is google , linux is lovely |
| 21:02.38 | kspath | Aap: You need to learn about cron and crontab |
| 21:03.14 | kspath | Aap: man cron ; man crontab ; less /etc/crontab |
| 21:03.17 | thingfish | good night, hejux. |
| 21:03.23 | hejux | byebye ,friends ! |
| 21:03.28 | WasF | Installing from USB stick (etch beta2 and newer): failed to install GRUB to /target/. Does ot happen to you ? |
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| 21:03.55 | hejux | <thingfish>: you are in the USA ? |
| 21:04.05 | thingfish | hejux: yes, right in the middle of it. |
| 21:04.13 | thingfish | hejux: kansas city, missouri. |
| 21:04.30 | thingfish | home of the KC Chiefs. |
| 21:04.31 | hejux | large USA |
| 21:04.44 | kspath | hejux: large China |
| 21:04.44 | thingfish | and the sucky Royals. |
| 21:04.59 | hejux | ：） |
| 21:05.07 | kspath | thingfish: BBQ is good there also |
| 21:05.25 | thingfish | kspath: oh don't we know it! heh |
| 21:05.41 | RainbowW | so no last minute tips or suggestions on this cdrom drive not liking my install cds before i just trash the entire laptop? |
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| 21:05.52 | seb-- | does debian have a 'start folder' like windoze? |
| 21:06.03 | kspath | seb--: Your home directory? |
| 21:06.13 | kspath | seb--: You are referring to a menu? |
| 21:06.29 | seb-- | kspath: everytime i turn on the laptop i'd like certain apps to run |
| 21:06.32 | thingfish | rats, out of potatoes... |
| 21:06.41 | AzianFlu | ah |
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| 21:06.50 | kspath | seb--: Debian does not. GNOME or XFCE or KDE might have something "like" a "start menu". |
| 21:06.58 | AzianFlu | he wants a .xinitrc type file |
| 21:07.04 | kspath | seb--: /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:07.08 | tonix | hi guys, is there a way to obtain the cpu usage in percentage? thanks a lot |
| 21:07.15 | intx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.17 | seb-- | kspath: ah yes you are right...that would do it :) |
| 21:07.26 | seb-- | kspath: good ol' /etc/init.d |
| 21:07.47 | hejux | in my imagation ,Every where in the USA is huge buildings and Rich men,east or west ,north or south |
| 21:08.01 | intx | softirq line 140 is WARN_ON(irqs_disabled()); |
| 21:08.04 | kspath | seb--: If you want it to start from your shell look into your shell. Likely bash .bash_profile .bashrc There are many ways. |
| 21:08.06 | thingfish | hejux: we have very very many poor people, too. |
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| 21:08.37 | seb-- | kspath: i can't really put a gui app like xchat in /etc/init.d or .bash_profile...not sure where GUI apps would go |
| 21:08.40 | Angels2 | is there a tool to make an image of an debian installation, safe it to f.e. a cdrom and um "install" from there the image |
| 21:09.03 | seb-- | Angels2: mkisofs |
| 21:09.11 | hejux | who is KC ? |
| 21:09.21 | thingfish | hejux: Kansas City |
| 21:09.30 | seb-- | Angels2: mkisofs -o myshinynewiso.iso /the/directory/to/burn |
| 21:09.38 | kspath | seb--: Study your window manager or KDE or GNOME or XFCE or the like. There are things like xinit but I am not going to confuse you further. |
| 21:09.48 | thingfish | hejux: chiefs=football team; royals=baseball team. |
| 21:09.59 | seb-- | Angels2: then cdrecord dev=/dev/mycdromspecialfile /path/to/myshinynewiso.iso |
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| 21:10.27 | thingfish | hejux: not that we're especially proud of them, since they're pretty average teams. |
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| 21:10.42 | hejux | ok ,i was just filled with water and now see that ... |
| 21:11.06 | kspath | seb--: If you are really interested you need to study about the various options. Though people can point you to a way. It is not going to fit everyone. |
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| 21:11.53 | gteppel | Is acl mature enough of a program to use in a production enviroment? |
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| 21:12.08 | xerophyte | which is good method and accurent method to monitor host .. using scripts like getting uptime output or using snmp host.hrSystem.hrSystemUptime .. just wondering which is more reliable ??? |
| 21:12.09 | kspath | seb--: Does it matter if an option tells the GUI app that is started about the state or location? |
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| 21:12.16 | hellangel | hi guys =) |
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| 21:12.25 | hejux | <thingfish> : you got MSN ? i am "hejux at hotmail.com " |
| 21:12.29 | thingfish | !greet hellangel |
| 21:12.29 | dpkg | Welcome, hellangel |
| 21:12.35 | hellangel | i need help with my sound please.. i installed alsa on card 0 (which is my audigy)... |
| 21:12.37 | hellangel | hey thingfish :D |
| 21:12.46 | Angels2 | seb-- that way i have a iso of a path on a cd ... i am testing debian right now and reinstalling over and over again .. so it would be nice to have an "image" of the base installation which i only need to copy back to the hdd :) |
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| 21:13.05 | nitrium | anybody is able to send mail to hotmail.com not to junk folder.. i set up SPF record on djbdns however, hotmail still refuses to accept mail into box. |
| 21:13.21 | thingfish | hejux: I have a hotmail address, yes - but you mean chat client, correct? |
| 21:13.36 | BucWheat | i'm using an application that says i must set the Path for a specific file in order for the binary to work. how do i set the PATH? |
| 21:13.39 | nitrium | is there anyone experienced this and solved? |
| 21:13.40 | lazzarello | I can't find any information about the difference between /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- . Is there any? |
| 21:13.58 | thingfish | hejux: I am very often here, though. |
| 21:14.03 | thingfish | unless I get this job. |
| 21:14.09 | hellangel | i also set up alsamixer -c 0... thers also a strange thing.. not only that i have no sound but also when i start the mplayer, the loudness (of the player) is always at 0.. |
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| 21:14.35 | hejux | Americans NBA ,Europe football ,chinese ping-pong |
| 21:14.38 | hellangel | debian 3.1 |
| 21:14.46 | nitrium | anybody is able to send mail to hotmail.com not to junk folder.. i set up SPF record on djbdns however, hotmail still refuses to accept mail into box. |
| 21:15.04 | hejux | thingfish> thats good ,can you add me to you friend list > |
| 21:15.15 | thingfish | hejux: I shall. :) |
| 21:15.25 | hellangel | thingfish, you remember my problem? :> |
| 21:15.32 | thingfish | hellangel: not a bit hehe |
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| 21:16.05 | hejux | i am here waiting for the messege |
| 21:16.14 | hellangel | thingfish, damn :> well read up there and tell me what you need to know, so the big computer (which is your brain) can start to work.. (and dont tell me, the answer is "42") :) |
| 21:17.07 | mentor | abrotman: A full stop as well. |
| 21:17.14 | abrotman | mentor: eh? |
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| 21:17.45 | abrotman | mentor: you mean the change to !best ? |
| 21:18.08 | mentor | yes |
| 21:18.15 | abrotman | okeedokee :) |
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| 21:18.21 | mentor | abrotman: well, you did ask. |
| 21:18.46 | abrotman | mentor: your lag sucks :) |
| 21:18.56 | mentor | abrotman: no, I just went to the pub. |
| 21:19.00 | mentor | :P |
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| 21:19.05 | abrotman | mentor: you bastard! |
| 21:19.26 | hejux | thingfish? |
| 21:19.34 | thingfish | hejux: it says you are offline. |
| 21:20.06 | hejux | hejux@hotmail.com |
| 21:20.39 | hellangel | thingfish, do you have a bit time? :o) |
| 21:20.51 | mentor | abrotman: And I demolished my opponent playing Go |
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| 21:21.38 | hejux | maybe because i am using beta ver. of msn 8 |
| 21:22.04 | Supaplex | msn is tEh suck |
| 21:22.12 | Supaplex | </stating the obvious> |
| 21:22.23 | hejux | tEh ? |
| 21:22.44 | kspath | Every month I am "shocked" by the questions in #debian and other channels that match up with articles in various linux and other magazines. |
| 21:22.46 | Supaplex | intentional typo |
| 21:22.51 | thingfish | hejux: hehe MS betas suck. |
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| 21:23.20 | Supaplex | GNU > MS |
| 21:23.27 | thingfish | no! |
| 21:23.40 | hejux | <thingfish> hehe you know QQ |
| 21:23.42 | hejux | ? |
| 21:23.48 | thingfish | no, hejux |
| 21:23.54 | Supaplex | !seen QQ |
| 21:23.55 | dpkg | qq <~use@211.99.152.195> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 325d 6h 2m 15s ago, saying: '#flood'. |
| 21:24.07 | Supaplex | heh |
| 21:24.25 | Supaplex | my font makes it look like two o's |
| 21:24.38 | hellangel | cya guys =) |
| 21:24.45 | hejux | in chinese QQ is as many as microsoft windows OS |
| 21:24.53 | hejux | in china QQ is as many as microsoft windows OS |
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| 21:24.54 | thingfish | later hellangel sorry I was distracted |
| 21:25.00 | karrot-x | does anyone have a good dual monitor howto? |
| 21:25.15 | hellangel | thingfish, well if you have a bit time, ill stay a bit more :> |
| 21:25.29 | Supaplex | karrot-x: buy me the hardware and I'll tell you how I did it. hehe |
| 21:25.34 | thingfish | hellangel: I probably can't even help you. I don't know shit. |
| 21:25.34 | hejux | QQ is not a person , it is an IM |
| 21:25.49 | hellangel | thingfish, hihi oki =) |
| 21:25.52 | hejux | like msn icq gtalk |
| 21:25.56 | hellangel | well ill try it again tomorrow :) nn guys |
| 21:26.11 | abrotman | mentor: dork! |
| 21:26.13 | hejux | BETA is updating |
| 21:26.14 | thingfish | ah, hejux, I understand. |
| 21:26.15 | ganni | Hi guys. I got a question for you, how do you guys manage your bandwith? have you guys came up with a good way to shape the bandwith for each aplication you run? |
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| 21:27.04 | lazzarello | ganni, yes |
| 21:27.12 | lazzarello | !polls |
| 21:27.12 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 21:27.20 | hejux | every PC ,if it is connected to internet ,there is QQ installed on it |
| 21:27.23 | Demio | hi all, the stuff in /etc/ini.d will run at system start up right? |
| 21:27.39 | hejux | so big amount! |
| 21:27.43 | lazzarello | Demio, no |
| 21:27.55 | Daedalus_ | ganni: I use the general bw tools (man tc) for gross bandwidth limiting on a port by port basis |
| 21:27.58 | Demio | then what will run at startup? |
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| 21:28.13 | lazzarello | !tell Demio about runlevel |
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| 21:28.34 | Daedalus_ | lazzarello: what are you using for bw shaping? |
| 21:28.39 | Demio | wtf? |
| 21:28.39 | ganni | Daedalus: thats seams a bit cumbersome to use |
| 21:28.45 | Demio | how do i set run levels? |
| 21:28.52 | lazzarello | Daedalus_, openbsd packet filter |
| 21:29.01 | lazzarello | Demio, apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | mentor: hi! |
| 21:29.14 | Daedalus_ | ganni: it is, but if you set it up once, then you don't have to touch it again ;) |
| 21:29.22 | raf256 | damn :/ |
| 21:29.36 | raf256 | why there is no trancode nor vncrecord packet for debian :/ |
| 21:29.43 | raf256 | *transcode it seem very popular |
| 21:29.43 | Demio | Setting up libcurses-perl (1.08b-1) ... |
| 21:29.44 | Demio | Setting up libcurses-ui-perl (0.95-1) ... |
| 21:29.44 | Demio | Setting up sysv-rc-conf (0.98-3) ... |
| 21:29.48 | Daedalus_ | lazzarello: soo... basically, nothing germain to linux/debian users. |
| 21:29.50 | Demio | now what? |
| 21:29.58 | lazzarello | Daedalus_, yup |
| 21:30.02 | ganni | Daedalus: I was expenting something that could reshape the bandwith for a particular application on the fly |
| 21:30.06 | lazzarello | Demio, run the program? |
| 21:30.21 | mith | ok, this is screwy |
| 21:30.27 | Daedalus_ | ganni: well, if you want to limit a particular app, you can use trickle |
| 21:30.33 | ganni | like puting down that particular p2p program so that sftp thing speeds up ant stuff like that |
| 21:30.44 | hejux | thingfish ,i remmenber your name , after i fixed the sucky msn Beta ,i will connect to you , now , i am going to sleep , see you |
| 21:30.46 | ganni | Daedalus: Thanks I'll check that one out |
| 21:30.57 | Demio | oh |
| 21:30.59 | thingfish | good night and nice meeting you, hejux. |
| 21:31.00 | Demio | that program rules |
| 21:31.03 | abrotman | mentor: how are you?!?! |
| 21:31.04 | mith | anyone have any idea why when building php5 from source with the --with-apxs=/usr/bin/apxs option (yes, for apache 1) I'm getting this in the configure output: |
| 21:31.04 | mith | checking for Apache 1.x (hooks) module support via DSO through APXS... no |
| 21:31.18 | Demio | S means startup |
| 21:31.19 | Demio | right? |
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| 21:31.23 | mith | no |
| 21:31.44 | Demio | then startup is 6? |
| 21:31.50 | mith | that's reboot |
| 21:31.56 | mith | man init |
| 21:31.57 | hejux | so do i ,bye |
| 21:32.02 | thingfish | bye |
| 21:32.08 | Daedalus_ | mith: your apxs path is probably wrong |
| 21:32.12 | mith | default runlevel in debian is 2 |
| 21:32.21 | Demio | mith, whats the startup run level |
| 21:32.23 | mith | Daedalus_: it's not |
| 21:32.37 | Supaplex | !pal mysql |
| 21:32.45 | mith | Daedalus_: i see the file there and it acts like apxs should when I run it |
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| 21:32.54 | Daedalus_ | Demio: S |
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| 21:33.24 | Silent_al | !pal demio |
| 21:33.31 | Daedalus_ | mith: remove the apxs from the path. Isn't it the path to the apxs dir and not the exec? |
| 21:34.05 | mith | Daedalus_: i've always done it with the full path to the binary, but I'll try that |
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| 21:34.17 | Demio | if I have something in "S" do i also need to have in "6"? |
| 21:34.26 | Demio | or being in S means it will also go at reboot |
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| 21:34.46 | red_linux | hi! im new to debian and im just trying to install some packages. i downloaded rhe alien packege when i run the apt-get command to install the deb file it said it couldnt find it. where shoudl i put my deb files for apt-get to find? i also tried apt-get update but no go |
| 21:34.50 | docta_v | in bash, how can i do substition on multiple words |
| 21:34.57 | docta_v | like ^bread^butter but i want to replace every bread and not just the first one that's matched |
| 21:35.04 | mith | Daedalus_: if i remove that configure stops and bitches about not being able to find apxs ... if i put it back it runs through configure but after running make the mod_php5.so file doesn't exist when i try to run make install |
| 21:35.06 | mith | fucked up |
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| 21:35.14 | Demio | poke? |
| 21:35.21 | Demio | guys, to boot both a startup and reboot |
| 21:35.30 | Demio | do i need to make it both S and 6? or just S |
| 21:35.34 | Silent_al | !lart silent_al |
| 21:35.59 | Demio | help? |
| 21:36.04 | Daedalus_ | mith: suck. I can't think of what else it would be. It's been a long time since I compiled a module for apache. |
| 21:36.56 | mith | Daedalus_: i think i have it figured out, stupid php buildscripts don't really clean everything they need to with make distclean; so was fucking up since I'd built it against apache2 before remembering the whole thread saftey thing |
| 21:36.57 | Demio | ..... |
| 21:37.04 | mith | peice of crap |
| 21:38.03 | Supaplex | Demio: if you allow both, it'll run at stop, or init 6. |
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| 21:38.16 | gniretar | hi all |
| 21:38.19 | Supaplex | read the init, inittab and related man pages |
| 21:38.41 | gniretar | does Debian really have no radius auth module for apache2? |
| 21:38.45 | gniretar | cuz i cant find out |
| 21:39.49 | Supaplex | gniretar: have you searched? |
| 21:40.07 | gniretar | Supaplex: Yes, all i am seeing is a module for Apache1 |
| 21:40.17 | gniretar | I just wanted to make sure that i wasnt missing anything |
| 21:40.59 | Daedalus_ | mith: D'oh |
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| 21:45.12 | Supaplex | gniretar: libpam-radius-auth with a little magic might work. try #apache |
| 21:45.27 | kspath | streuner: I hope that was debian branded vaseline. |
| 21:45.30 | gniretar | OK, thanks |
| 21:46.47 | streuner | kspath: :-) |
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| 21:50.41 | rAz_ | gn8 |
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| 21:53.15 | lazzarello | I can't find any information about the difference between /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- . Is there any? |
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| 21:55.55 | kspath | lazzarello: diff /etc/passwd /etc/passwd- |
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| 21:56.05 | lazzarello | gee, thanks. |
| 21:56.11 | lazzarello | difference in /function/ |
| 21:56.32 | efaistos | some grub gurus ? |
| 21:56.33 | lazzarello | why two files with similar names but different contents for user authentication? |
| 21:56.41 | js_ | lazzarello: iirc passwd- is a backup |
| 21:56.47 | lazzarello | and why does vipw only edit /etc/passwd |
| 21:57.46 | kspath | lazzarello: if vipw edited the backup what would the point of the backup be? |
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| 21:58.06 | lazzarello | I don't get it. whatever... |
| 21:58.08 | efaistos | I just added a hard disk with windows on it. It's on hdb1 and i added those lines in menu.lst title Windows |
| 21:58.11 | efaistos | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 21:58.13 | efaistos | map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 21:58.16 | efaistos | makeactive (hd1,0) |
| 21:58.18 | efaistos | chainloader (hd1,0)+1 |
| 21:58.21 | efaistos | boot |
| 21:58.23 | efaistos | but i cant boot on it ... |
| 21:58.29 | efaistos | do you know why ? |
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| 21:58.58 | efaistos | I've got the message : error 13 : invalid or unsupported executable format |
| 21:58.59 | quitte_ | efaistos: win9x always has to be on hda afaik |
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| 21:59.36 | efaistos | quitte_: the map command invert the two disks so windows thinks it's on hda |
| 22:00.31 | x`y`-xy | i can remove mysql-server from my server ??? If yes ....how ??? |
| 22:00.43 | efaistos | x`y`-xy: apt-get remove ? |
| 22:01.03 | x`y`-xy | ok ..thx ..i wil try |
| 22:02.38 | efaistos | nobody for my grub problem ? |
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| 22:04.20 | lookasiu87 | cze wszystkim:P |
| 22:05.06 | lookasiu87 | hi everybody |
| 22:05.28 | dimir | CZESC! |
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| 22:09.18 | marco13185 | I apt-getted bitlbee, but now I can't run it as a normal user |
| 22:09.23 | marco13185 | it says the command isn't found |
| 22:09.32 | marco13185 | but if I su I can run it |
| 22:09.40 | jetscreamer | sounds like a dm |
| 22:09.52 | jetscreamer | for instance, gdm will change the path |
| 22:10.12 | jetscreamer | also root's path is not the same as $USER |
| 22:10.48 | jetscreamer | by default |
| 22:10.52 | marco13185 | jetscreamer, how do I fix this? |
| 22:10.56 | marco13185 | sym link? |
| 22:11.05 | jetscreamer | i just change my default path |
| 22:11.29 | jetscreamer | in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf for gnome, and it's /etc/profile i 'think' lemme check, for console |
| 22:11.59 | jetscreamer | and ~/.bashrc |
| 22:12.13 | marco13185 | wait I'm confused |
| 22:12.16 | marco13185 | jetscreamer, lol |
| 22:12.22 | marco13185 | okay, usually, this doesn't happen |
| 22:12.24 | marco13185 | I install a program |
| 22:12.28 | marco13185 | I can run as anything |
| 22:12.38 | marco13185 | why did it happen this time? |
| 22:12.40 | jetscreamer | yeah etc/profile for the system wide default |
| 22:12.48 | marco13185 | ^^ |
| 22:12.58 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 22:13.26 | marco13185 | jetscreamer, so I make the paths the same |
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| 22:13.42 | marco13185 | jetscreamer, PM? |
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| 22:14.53 | jetscreamer | me i just copy root's path and add what it doesn't have in the default user's |
| 22:15.02 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.24 | lazzarello | /etc/passwd- is not a backup: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-rm-passwd |
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| 22:16.50 | lazzarello | what is /etc/passwd- used for? it's really messing up my YP server because vipw doesn't update it. |
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| 22:19.35 | Ironhand | is there any way to let portmap in debian listen on multiple specific interfaces? |
| 22:20.30 | lazzarello | cat /etc/default/portmap |
| 22:20.47 | lazzarello | don't know if it can take multiple -i options |
| 22:21.01 | mith | !php5 |
| 22:21.01 | dpkg | i guess php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about dotdeb |
| 22:21.02 | Ironhand | it does accept multiple -i options but it appears to only actually use the last one |
| 22:21.07 | mith | !dotdeb |
| 22:21.08 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN |
| 22:21.20 | lazzarello | Ironhand, you might have to do -i 0.0.0.0 and use iptables to limit connections. |
| 22:21.22 | mith | good enough for me |
| 22:21.45 | Ironhand | yeah, was afraid I'd have to use iptables or tcp_wrapper |
| 22:21.54 | lazzarello | portmap is old skool |
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| 22:22.06 | Ironhand | what would you use instead then? |
| 22:22.13 | lazzarello | no idea |
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| 22:22.23 | Ironhand | oh ok :-) |
| 22:22.23 | lazzarello | but that doesn't make it old skool :) |
| 22:22.32 | Ironhand | true, I guess |
| 22:22.34 | Demio | guys |
| 22:22.41 | Demio | what should be my apache's runlevel in debian 3.1? |
| 22:22.42 | Demio | 2345? |
| 22:22.48 | fork | re, someone knows if I can configure the private 192.168.0.250 IP as Gateway in the m0nowall's WAN configuration (Static IP)? Thx |
| 22:22.53 | lazzarello | Demio, did you read the runlevel documents? |
| 22:22.57 | lazzarello | !runlevel |
| 22:22.57 | dpkg | i guess runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels, or note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 22:23.07 | Demio | yes but i dont know exactly what that means |
| 22:23.08 | Demio | so :P |
| 22:23.14 | lazzarello | !runlevels |
| 22:23.15 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 22:23.24 | cureless | Demio: why did you change the default runlevel? |
| 22:23.35 | Demio | the default run level was non-existant |
| 22:23.40 | Demio | apache2 had no run level |
| 22:23.58 | cureless | Demio: what debian are you running? |
| 22:24.07 | mith | cureless: crazy super debian, apparently |
| 22:24.08 | Demio | 3.1 |
| 22:24.10 | mith | heh |
| 22:24.44 | cureless | Demio: and how did you install apache2? |
| 22:24.45 | lazzarello | Demio, apache2 is enabled on boot by default |
| 22:24.54 | Demio | -_- |
| 22:24.59 | Demio | just tell me the runlevels :P |
| 22:25.07 | cureless | Demio: just reinstall. |
| 22:25.09 | Demio | ... |
| 22:25.14 | cureless | Demio: reinstall the apache2 package. |
| 22:25.14 | lazzarello | no, cause you broke your shit and don't understand it. |
| 22:25.17 | lazzarello | try this: |
| 22:25.23 | Demio | it all configured |
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| 22:25.25 | lazzarello | apt-get --purge remove apache2 |
| 22:25.31 | lazzarello | and install it again |
| 22:25.37 | Demio | apache is configured with other software |
| 22:25.42 | Demio | it would take several hours to put it back |
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| 22:25.52 | lazzarello | you might have to do update-rc.d -f /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 22:25.56 | Demio | and i can say for sure its working |
| 22:26.02 | Demio | apache is working |
| 22:26.02 | cureless | no, don't do a purge, just do a reinstall of the package, backup your /etc/apache2 dir. |
| 22:26.07 | lazzarello | obviously not if you can't get it to start on boot! |
| 22:26.10 | Demio | i just want to do what run level it should have |
| 22:26.13 | Demio | -_- |
| 22:26.14 | mith | cureless: if he doesn't purge it wont fix the init script |
| 22:26.28 | Demio | apache is working, i just wnat to know the run level its supposed to have |
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| 22:26.32 | Demio | i assume 2345? |
| 22:26.37 | cureless | mith: the apache init is a config file? hmmm |
| 22:26.48 | Demio | because when i saw it the first time without touching it it didnt even have a run level |
| 22:26.48 | cureless | Demio: anyway, what level are you running at? just put it there. |
| 22:26.53 | lazzarello | it's supposed to have the right one that the package installs. if you don't know how to fix it just reinstall and it'll fix itself. |
| 22:27.04 | Demio | when i ran sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:27.08 | Demio | apache2 had no crosses |
| 22:27.08 | mith | cureless: yes, all init scripts count as config files. |
| 22:27.23 | cureless | mith: hmm, I would have thought otherwise. |
| 22:27.34 | mith | cureless: well, you were wrong :P |
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| 22:27.44 | Ironhand | Demio: by default it's linked into /etc/rc[2345].d/ so runlevels 2345 is where it should appear... but as everyone else says you either don't understand it or you messed it up, likely both |
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| 22:27.52 | cureless | mith: I guess I've never fucked up those scripts. |
| 22:28.03 | Demio | I DIDNT TOUCH IT BEFORE I RAN sysv-rc-conf FOR THE FIRST TIME |
| 22:28.04 | raf256 | [00:27] <Demio> the fuckers at #debian are crazy :/ |
| 22:28.06 | raf256 | hu hu |
| 22:28.06 | mith | cureless: you can't see why they're counted as config files? I mean, they are things that are routinely customized on a system by system basis, after all |
| 22:28.07 | raf256 | :P |
| 22:28.18 | Demio | raf, how nice |
| 22:28.29 | raf256 | Demio: no problem |
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| 22:28.39 | cureless | mith: I always thought those things were read from /etc/defaults and _that_ was what was counted as a config file. |
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| 22:29.02 | ftp3 | hi, whats the best intrustion detection software? |
| 22:29.08 | cureless | Demio: just put it in the same runlevel you're running at, chances are you're not using the other runlevels. |
| 22:29.24 | raf256 | ftp3: a ninja |
| 22:29.30 | Demio | but how do i discover than run level |
| 22:29.35 | raf256 | from software: tripware program |
| 22:29.37 | cureless | Demio: runlevel |
| 22:29.38 | Ironhand | or mains power on the doorknob |
| 22:29.40 | ftp3 | raf256, how do i shrink him down into the machine? |
| 22:29.49 | mith | cureless: those do too, but there are several cases where modifying the init scripts directly is necessary. For instance, putting an arbitrary service inside a chroot |
| 22:29.50 | Demio | because when i ran the sysv-rc-config, apache2 had no crosses in the squares |
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| 22:30.03 | ftp3 | raf256: i know of tripwire.. but i was wondering if there was something better |
| 22:30.09 | raf256 | ftp3: I dunno therefore I use tripwire instread |
| 22:30.24 | cureless | mith: in that case it should be checked with an md5 or the script rewriten to check for a user requested chroot from /etc/defaults. |
| 22:30.32 | raf256 | ftp3: itrusion something like that name, is like tripwire but much simpler - nicer to start with |
| 22:30.34 | Demio | alright, ill just shutup |
| 22:30.52 | cureless | mith: don't get me wrong, I've never really checked they were config files or not, I'm just saying I thought we were tring to go away from that. |
| 22:31.07 | cureless | Demio: just run "runlevel" it'll tell you what runlevel you're at, then add it to that runlevel. |
| 22:31.17 | raf256 | ftp3: seearch for name begning with "i" dunno the exact name |
| 22:31.20 | raf256 | its in debian |
| 22:31.51 | Demio | it says |
| 22:31.51 | Demio | N 2 |
| 22:31.52 | cureless | Demio: if you don't know what the other runlevels are used for chances are you don't use them for anything (most of them). So don't bother. Just reboot check that it works. |
| 22:31.55 | mith | cureless: they are, for *most* cases, but there will always be cases where editing the init scripts directly will be necessary no matter how configurable they are from /etc/defaults and so they will always count as 'config files'. |
| 22:32.09 | cureless | Demio: and yes, we can answer your questions by saying you're in runlevel 2, but that wouldn't teach you anything. |
| 22:32.21 | ftp3 | raf256, thanks, searching |
| 22:32.21 | Demio | it would |
| 22:32.30 | Demio | learning by my self is not all the learning i can do |
| 22:32.34 | cureless | mith: well, it's a policy decision I disagree with. |
| 22:32.42 | Demio | letting others teach you sometimes is better than messing up a system just to learn |
| 22:32.45 | lazzarello | I'm starting to feel like I'm the only one using NIS on Debian in this channel. Am I weird? |
| 22:32.58 | raf256 | whats a NIS |
| 22:33.06 | Demio | so cureless |
| 22:33.10 | mith | cureless: well, if tards like you get your way plenty of people like me will scream bloody murder when their init scripts get overwritten by a security update. |
| 22:33.11 | Demio | i should put apache2 at rl 2? |
| 22:33.12 | lazzarello | heh, guess so |
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| 22:33.40 | raf256 | Demio: for autostart of services I recomend rcconf tool (apt-get install it) |
| 22:33.44 | Demio | im utterly confused |
| 22:33.48 | cureless | Demio: yes, though I would recommend you reinstall anyway in case you changed something else too. |
| 22:33.53 | Demio | i asked for something to autostart scripts |
| 22:33.53 | raf256 | or just put links to proper scripts to be executed in like |
| 22:34.06 | Demio | aguy told me sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:34.12 | lazzarello | Demio, maybe if you took our advice you wouldn't be confused. |
| 22:34.15 | Demio | now i may have messed up the perfect install? |
| 22:34.23 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.24 | cureless | mith: no, if tards like me have their way we would check for user changes before overwriting the scripts. |
| 22:34.26 | mith | cureless: no offense, but this isn't a debian thing, it's a unix thing, people expect to be able to modify init scripts directly, and if you have an automated package manager like dpkg, it's infurating when customized init scripts get overwritten. In fact, init scripts being marked as config files, and dpkg's handling of that, is one of it's biggest advantages over rpm based systems. |
| 22:34.26 | Demio | not that it was perfect, but it was working |
| 22:34.47 | Demio | its still working |
| 22:34.51 | Demio | so ill leave it there |
| 22:34.55 | Demio | without rebooting |
| 22:35.03 | cureless | mith: actually, dpkg already asks you when changes have occured, isn't that what package managers are for? |
| 22:35.05 | Demio | if i do reboot and it smokes, ill call tech support :S |
| 22:35.07 | raf256 | mith: you can add manually links to /etc/rct.d/ right? |
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| 22:36.09 | mith | raf256: what |
| 22:36.14 | Ironhand | is there an easy way to keep the setuid bit switched off for certain files even through package upgrades? |
| 22:36.15 | mith | raf256: of course? |
| 22:36.44 | Ironhand | (I don't need setuid root /bin/mount) |
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| 22:38.00 | Demio | so let me try to understand |
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| 22:38.14 | Demio | how did i mess up my system by setting the runlevels? |
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| 22:38.38 | cureless | Demio: for one you're saying that apache2 has (had?) no runlevels. |
| 22:38.53 | Demio | it had no |
| 22:38.54 | lazzarello | Demio, only you know that |
| 22:38.55 | Demio | i set it to 2345 |
| 22:39.14 | mith | why exactly didn't you just do update-rc.d apache2 defaults; ? |
| 22:39.23 | Demio | hmm |
| 22:39.25 | Demio | let me try that |
| 22:39.27 | lazzarello | he has an RTFM pfoblem |
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| 22:39.35 | mith | wait, you haven't even tried that? |
| 22:39.45 | Demio | System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist. |
| 22:39.48 | Demio | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.58 | mith | then um, what's the problem? |
| 22:40.04 | Demio | i dont know |
| 22:40.06 | cureless | if, for any reason, he is right, then there is a bug somewhere. |
| 22:40.11 | Demio | you were telling me my system was fucked up |
| 22:40.26 | cureless | Demio: you're saying it's not enabled at any runlevel. |
| 22:40.27 | lazzarello | apache2 starts by default on sarge. the package is fine. |
| 22:40.30 | Ironhand | Demio: what does "echo /etc/rc?.d/S??apache2" give? |
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| 22:40.48 | Demio | /etc/rc2.d/S20apache2 /etc/rc3.d/S20apache2 /etc/rc4.d/S20apache2 /etc/rc5.d/S20apache2 |
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| 22:41.26 | Ironhand | then sysv-rc-conf is giving you the wrong info, or you're reading it wrong |
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| 22:41.42 | Demio | ironhand, is that how its supposed to look? |
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| 22:41.49 | Demio | just tell me if its how its supposed to look |
| 22:41.51 | Ironhand | yes that looks fine |
| 22:41.53 | Demio | ok good |
| 22:41.57 | Demio | *see no evil* |
| 22:41.57 | mith | wtf is sysv-rc-conf? |
| 22:42.02 | elinux | hello, I addded an entry to my fstab to mount a fat32 partition... if I put automount, I can read the partition, but can't wrtite to it |
| 22:42.15 | lazzarello | !info sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:42.16 | mith | that an etch thing? |
| 22:42.17 | Ironhand | mith: no clue, but apparently what (s)he uses to manage the links |
| 22:42.23 | dpkg | sysv-rc-conf: (SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.99-3 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 22:42.48 | Demio | bind should also be 234 ? |
| 22:42.48 | elinux | I removed the automount so the user mount it, that way, he gets the rights |
| 22:42.58 | flipmcf | hi. New kern just compiled. It can't seem to mount my root partition (ReiserFS) ReiserFS support is compiled in to the kernel (CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=y) any other hints? |
| 22:43.09 | elinux | but, I didnt any other place to put it than .bashrc |
| 22:43.18 | flipmcf | 2.6.8-2 is working great! |
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| 22:43.42 | elinux | it's not very convenient because I have to start a console for it to be mounted... and 2nd console I start gives me an error cause the device is already mounted |
| 22:43.46 | flipmcf | and strangely enough, 2.6.8-2 config has CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=m |
| 22:44.20 | Ironhand | flipmcf: that probably has an initrd with the reiser module included, though |
| 22:44.20 | elinux | is there any other startup script I could put it in, or any other solution so I get write access? |
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| 22:45.11 | marty | good afternoon folks |
| 22:46.09 | flipmcf | Ironhand, strange. I always thought it was a 'no no' to have your root filesystem code loaded as a module. Wouldn't that module live on the root partition most likely? catch-22 |
| 22:46.11 | marty | running fairly basic with just gnome, is there any real difference in operating speed and drivespace usage between:gentoo, ubuntu, and debian? |
| 22:46.33 | flipmcf | then again, that was my own assumption, not some quote from a guru |
| 22:46.46 | flipmcf | but anyway..... 'won't mount' |
| 22:46.47 | Ironhand | flipmcf: initrd is only actually active during boot, later your real root fs is mounted on / |
| 22:47.15 | Ironhand | flipmcf: what kernel messages do you see before the mount error? |
| 22:47.31 | Demio | hmm |
| 22:47.33 | Demio | my system is fine |
| 22:47.36 | Demio | just rebooted it |
| 22:47.44 | Demio | dns checks, apache checks, ftp checks, email checks |
| 22:47.48 | Demio | everything is a go :) |
| 22:47.56 | flipmcf | Ironhand, ya know what, I thought it would have been a really good idea to write that down, but I was so sure that I hadn't configured reiserFS that I just booted up old without really noting it |
| 22:48.20 | Ironhand | Demio: you *are* running sysv-rc-conf as root somehow, right? (random idea) |
| 22:48.24 | marco13185 | anyone know how to change an AIM password without the stupid aol client |
| 22:48.35 | Demio | yes |
| 22:48.36 | Demio | as root |
| 22:48.48 | Demio | how else, for bulk administrating root all the way |
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| 22:48.58 | Demio | su is troublesome for a lot of commands |
| 22:48.59 | Ironhand | flipmcf: could it be something related to your ide/scsi/... drivers? |
| 22:49.48 | flipmcf | ironhand - tell me if I'm wrong .... /boot is hda1 / is hda2 - same device. Can't be a ide problem. |
| 22:49.49 | marty | running fairly basic with just gnome, is there any real difference in operating speed and drivespace usage between:gentoo, ubuntu, and debian? |
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| 22:50.04 | flipmcf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.07 | TuxFix | hy |
| 22:50.41 | Ironhand | flipmcf: the boot loader doesn't use the in-kernel drivers to access /boot though |
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| 22:51.23 | flipmcf | makes me want to compile up a new kern with reiserfs as a module - against my best judgement - but just to try. |
| 22:51.34 | flipmcf | strange still that this doesn't work |
| 22:51.39 | TuxFix | i want to know how can download somthing in DCC-Server with a client irc |
| 22:51.43 | TuxFix | under Debian |
| 22:51.45 | flipmcf | 15 more mins of research, then a boot to get the exact errors |
| 22:51.58 | Ironhand | flipmcf: I don't think that would change anything, it should always work properly compiled in... you should really try to find out the exact errors |
| 22:52.11 | flipmcf | feeling the same way. |
| 22:52.11 | marco13185 | how do I change my aim password? |
| 22:52.19 | marco13185 | without downloading aol's client? |
| 22:52.39 | flipmcf | oh well. off to boot into a kern panic :) Thanks Ironhand. |
| 22:52.46 | Ironhand | yw, good luck |
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| 22:54.03 | tech13 | firefox + flash, is there a way to clear the settings/cookies/stored data for flash without blowing away the whole profile? one user can't watch flash in firefox (firefox freezes and has to be killed), but can in mozilla. other users can watch flash in firefox. |
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| 22:55.42 | TuxFix | like this http://kobravideos.com/ircguide.html |
| 22:55.56 | Demio | what do you guys think of this dns data ? http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=carloslage.eu |
| 22:56.11 | Demio | anything i should modify in my config? |
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| 22:57.11 | Libra102 | hello |
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| 23:00.45 | thingfish | !greet Libra102 |
| 23:00.45 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Libra102 |
| 23:01.09 | Libra102 | ? |
| 23:01.13 | thingfish | !prize james zabiela |
| 23:01.17 | Libra102 | what's wrong? |
| 23:01.27 | thingfish | what? |
| 23:01.32 | thingfish | nothing's wrong. |
| 23:01.41 | Libra102 | okay.. ^^ |
| 23:01.42 | thingfish | I just had dpkg say hi to you. |
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| 23:01.55 | thingfish | that's better than the whole channel responding. |
| 23:01.58 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:02.05 | x`y`-xy | where i can find the place wher is installed mysql-server |
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| 23:04.45 | x`y`-xy | where i can find the place wher is installed mysql-server |
| 23:04.48 | x`y`-xy | pls hlp me |
| 23:04.49 | ru | Why would chown be saying "Function not implemented" |
| 23:04.53 | ru | chown: changing ownership of `windows2': Function not implemented |
| 23:04.57 | thingfish | x`y`-xy: try man dpkg |
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| 23:05.35 | thingfish | x`y`-xy: as in maybe dpkg -L? dunno. |
| 23:05.36 | x`y`-xy | thx man |
| 23:06.22 | flipmcf | Ironhand, I think you have the right idea with initrd. I don't have one for my new kern. Never created one before. Learning :) I bet thats where my solution lies. |
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| 23:06.37 | karrot-x | can someone tell me what's wrong with this setup: http://66.92.163.14/config/XF86Config-4 ::: currently i got no error however i get the same display on both screens |
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| 23:06.41 | karrot-x | i'm trying to run dual monitor |
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| 23:09.48 | thingfish | !plook |
| 23:10.26 | thingfish | well I suppose we can forgive dpkg for not being familiar with zappa terminology. |
| 23:10.44 | Daveman | Hi thingfish |
| 23:10.49 | thingfish | hi Daveman |
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| 23:11.13 | chihau | hi |
| 23:11.30 | pipeline | goron: the new link only requires an inode, no new space allocated on the disk. |
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| 23:13.08 | chihau | i had upgrade my kernel with apt-get to the kernel 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 but i have this error "pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 23:13.29 | nse | I am running GNOME. how to switch the window manager to flwm? |
| 23:14.14 | chihau | i am using debian sarge 32bits |
| 23:15.11 | thingfish | nse: are you also using gdm? |
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| 23:15.19 | thingfish | gdm makes it easy. |
| 23:15.20 | nse | thingfish: yes I am |
| 23:15.36 | nse | thingfish: so, what I have to do? |
| 23:15.41 | thingfish | nse: install it, log out of gnome, then in gdm login screen look at Session. |
| 23:16.32 | nse | thingfish: but it seems that flwm is not an option for GDM, do I have to set GDM to recognize the recently installed flwm? |
| 23:16.52 | thingfish | nse: I don't know - that one (flwm) I've never installed. |
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| 23:17.14 | thingfish | nse: others I've installed out of debian archives have shown up there. |
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| 23:18.07 | nse | thingfish: btw, do you know any other wm which is good, i mean fast and light? one of my RAM died, so I am running X with 97MB.. |
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| 23:18.58 | thingfish | nse: gosh, not really, I mean I see people talk about icewm and xfce, but I'm kind of used to gnome and have plenty of ram. |
| 23:19.08 | mustard5 | nse, xfce4 ? |
| 23:19.13 | slackbr | nse, fluxbox |
| 23:19.36 | slackbr | xfce is beautfull |
| 23:19.38 | slackbr | :P |
| 23:19.42 | slackbr | i like |
| 23:19.47 | thingfish | yeah xfce is really pretty |
| 23:19.58 | thingfish | and easy to use. |
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| 23:20.00 | mustard5 | nse, I'm on xfce4 but its using about 130mb atm |
| 23:20.11 | nse | i will give xfce a try |
| 23:20.41 | nse | mustard5: yes but the system know how to run things with less memory |
| 23:20.56 | gartt | Flux is prettier and more efficient |
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| 23:21.06 | mustard5 | nse, with nothing much running its usually only 50+ mb anyway |
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| 23:22.44 | thingfish | I should try fluxbox, to see what it's like. I kind of grew up with red hat, so I'm real used to GNOME. |
| 23:23.08 | thingfish | plus my system is beefy enough that GNOME is not too burdensome. |
| 23:23.27 | thingfish | hehe it's infectuous. |
| 23:23.49 | thingfish | we're all just curious monkeys. |
| 23:23.55 | nse | I like GNOME too, I don't know why people say it's bad and that you HAVE to use KDE or something |
| 23:24.04 | mustard5 | I picked xfce mainly because I'm on dialup, so it was a smaller download than gnome :) |
| 23:24.12 | gartt | Fluxbox gives you everything necessary without the eyecandy crap that isn't- it's more logical than other wm's, regardless of computer speed |
| 23:24.34 | thingfish | gnome has an elegance to it, at least on the surface. KDE always strikes me as too fischer-price. |
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| 23:24.51 | thingfish | mustard5: get the DVD set. ;) |
| 23:24.52 | mustard5 | hehe fisher-price is a good description |
| 23:24.53 | gartt | thingfish: There's nothing elegant about pointing and clicking your way around a linux system. |
| 23:25.04 | Kaeles | how do you start a daemon (synergy) on bootup? |
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| 23:25.10 | jmg | hey guys |
| 23:25.16 | gartt | Seems like a waste with such capable shells |
| 23:25.17 | thingfish | I can't wait until mine gets here, tired of shuffling CDs all the time. |
| 23:25.21 | jmg | is there a version of apt-proxy that doesnt suck? |
| 23:25.32 | thingfish | gartt: that's your opinion, no more, no less. |
| 23:25.32 | mustard5 | thingfish, I contemplated using up my brothers bandwidth to do just that the other day..but I thought I would avoid chewing up his 20gb cap :) |
| 23:25.57 | gartt | I don't understand this fascination with point-and-click computing... You're learning the GUI, not linux |
| 23:26.09 | thingfish | gartt: people who use gnome also often use gnome-terminal. |
| 23:26.26 | gartt | thingfish: People who use anything else often use gnome-term too |
| 23:26.44 | gartt | thingfish: What are you talking about? |
| 23:26.47 | jethro | !beer thingfish |
| 23:26.57 | gartt | thingfish: Don't put words in my mouth, please |
| 23:26.57 | mustard5 | gartt, you'll be happy to know then that I've started burning ISOs using command line, rather than gui now hehe |
| 23:27.04 | thingfish | I guess all the gnome and kde people should just give it up. |
| 23:27.15 | gartt | GUI is more efficient for some things, CLI for others |
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| 23:27.33 | Kaeles | mmm |
| 23:27.40 | thingfish | well who disagrees with that? |
| 23:27.47 | gartt | thingfish: GUI is sometimes necessary over the CLI. KDE or gnome is never necessary.. |
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| 23:28.02 | alpha255 | isn't linux the kernel? |
| 23:28.03 | thingfish | hehe whatever dear boy |
| 23:28.12 | stoned | neccessity is a relative. Not everyone has the same needs |
| 23:28.17 | thingfish | yes! |
| 23:28.21 | gartt | Keyboard shortcuts and the cli will always be faster than desktop icons and menus |
| 23:28.23 | thingfish | and gnu is the dress-up parts. |
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| 23:28.31 | FabParma | how to disable "appletalk" ? |
| 23:28.36 | alpha255 | yep, that's what I thought |
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| 23:28.44 | thingfish | la la la la la |
| 23:28.49 | stoned | lol |
| 23:28.57 | gartt | stoned: I'm going as far to talk about KDE and gnome or any other desktop manager in absolutes |
| 23:29.07 | thingfish | FabParma: install sysvconfig, then look for netatalk. |
| 23:29.11 | alpha255 | fabparma: look in /etc/init.d/ |
| 23:29.29 | alpha255 | appletalkd or something like that and use appletalkd stop |
| 23:29.35 | slackbr | what is the lighter "terminal" ?? |
| 23:29.58 | slackbr | terminal is konsole rxvt thouse things |
| 23:30.05 | bobdole | I am connected through "eth0" onto the internet(dhcp)...I am talking to you via eth0...on a cat5 cable...I have my eth1 card plugged into a switch via crossover cable...What do I need to do to feed the crossover cable the internet...so I can plug multiple machines into it and they can use the internet through my machine. |
| 23:30.14 | alpha255 | isn't there an update scripts command too?a |
| 23:30.16 | stoned | gartt, there exist only 3 mere universal absolute in the known universe. Cogito Ergo Sum, or existence, which can never be denied. Causality, that cause will always precede effect. Nothingness, in the absence of something, there is nothing. There are no other universals so speaking in absolutes is ridiculous |
| 23:30.35 | gartt | stoned: That solves plenty.. |
| 23:30.56 | thingfish | oh yay, here we go... |
| 23:31.05 | gartt | thingfish: ? |
| 23:31.13 | anotherircuser | hello ! does anyone knows where i can find a bootable floppy image for a terminal booting througt ethernet on a skolelinux server whithout pxe support ?? thanks ! |
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| 23:32.02 | thingfish | gartt: sorry, don't worry, had nothign to do with you. |
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| 23:32.09 | thingfish | *nothing |
| 23:32.14 | gartt | Ah |
| 23:32.20 | nse | effect after something being an absolute means that things can change and that the universe will not be the same, what can include those rules |
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| 23:32.29 | stoned | thingfish means me :) I go off on philosophy, spout off with shit I shouldn't say ;) |
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| 23:32.39 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:32.44 | thingfish | bingo! |
| 23:32.44 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:32.55 | thingfish | stoned: you would be way more fun at a coffee bar. |
| 23:32.58 | stoned | thingfish, I might be stoned, but I am not stupid :) |
| 23:33.09 | thingfish | or...at a regular bar. |
| 23:33.19 | stoned | I dislike bars, coffee shops are alright |
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| 23:33.32 | thingfish | I know you're not stupid; you're likely very bright. |
| 23:33.36 | stoned | I don't drink anyway, never liked alcoho |
| 23:33.50 | thingfish | oh I do |
| 23:33.50 | petemc | sucks to be you |
| 23:33.57 | petemc | drinks great |
| 23:33.59 | thingfish | hah |
| 23:34.06 | thingfish | not at all! |
| 23:34.09 | stoned | petemc, I think otherwise |
| 23:34.13 | thingfish | oh, him. |
| 23:34.16 | petemc | stoned: so i gathered |
| 23:34.19 | thingfish | !beer petemc |
| 23:34.32 | nse | pot is interesting |
| 23:34.38 | petemc | yes it is |
| 23:34.42 | stoned | petemc, I have no problems with imported beer sometimes, I just don't like liqour. |
| 23:34.51 | thingfish | everything is interesting. |
| 23:34.55 | chealer | !sing monday |
| 23:34.55 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 23:35.05 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:35.31 | chealer | school? oh wait, *sunday* is supposed to be the offtopic day |
| 23:35.38 | thingfish | maybe the new DPL should invite all the previous assholes back. |
| 23:35.39 | stoned | my favorite song is now going in my head, thanks you to chealer! |
| 23:35.47 | stoned | now I will be annoyed until I fully sing it or listen to it |
| 23:35.52 | stoned | :( |
| 23:36.13 | nse | stoned: what is it? skid row? |
| 23:36.17 | stoned | np: Alice Cooper - School's out for summer |
| 23:36.34 | thingfish | I had that album. |
| 23:37.09 | thingfish | like 30 years ago. |
| 23:37.31 | stoned | I have been listening to Par Izhthak Perlman lately, his renditions of Paganini's 24 Capricee is wonderful. He is a virtouso violinist like Paganini, but still, no one can top paganini |
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| 23:38.11 | FabParma | what is for the service "nettalk" ? |
| 23:38.11 | [i] | hi all, guys |
| 23:38.19 | anotherircuser | favorite songs and beers... ok, i'll google this f*** floppy in any case... |
| 23:38.29 | stoned | anotherircuser, this is #debin btw |
| 23:38.31 | alpha255 | atalkd? |
| 23:38.32 | FabParma | sorry "netalk" |
| 23:38.32 | thingfish | FabParma: that is appletalk |
| 23:38.39 | thingfish | and it's netatalk. |
| 23:38.45 | FabParma | thingfish: lovely |
| 23:38.49 | stoned | lol |
| 23:38.51 | FabParma | thingfish: thanks |
| 23:38.55 | thingfish | np |
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| 23:39.11 | stoned | anotherircuser, try ##linux |
| 23:39.39 | alpha255 | gota go |
| 23:39.42 | [i] | linux is like sex, its better when its free ) |
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| 23:39.49 | stoned | no |
| 23:39.50 | alpha255 | nice chatting |
| 23:39.51 | stoned | wrong! |
| 23:40.05 | stoned | [i], if linux is like sex, it can only be better when you're in love |
| 23:40.10 | azeem | anotherircuser: skolelinux has its own irc channel I think |
| 23:40.12 | stoned | making love > sex |
| 23:40.22 | azeem | stoned: how is this related to Debian? |
| 23:40.28 | stoned | azeem, I don't know |
| 23:40.34 | [i] | haha |
| 23:40.41 | anotherircuser | lol ! ok, ok... on freenode... |
| 23:40.43 | azeem | stoned: so maybe it should be discussed in another channel? |
| 23:40.46 | stoned | [i], quit getting me in trouble |
| 23:40.51 | [i] | sex is wonderfull without love too ) |
| 23:41.10 | thingfish | let's all take azeem's example and talk about Debian. |
| 23:41.33 | thingfish | although it is AT LEAST happy hour... |
| 23:41.37 | stoned | lol |
| 23:41.45 | stoned | #debian has a happy hour! yay |
| 23:41.49 | thingfish | oh yes |
| 23:41.53 | x`y`-xy | who kno how can logate mysql instalation place !!! |
| 23:41.55 | [i] | i ve installed debin as a second os on my hard drive ) |
| 23:42.06 | x`y`-xy | who know how can locate mysql instalation place !!! |
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| 23:42.15 | stoned | x`y`-xy, what do you mean locate? dpkg -L mysql-server ? |
| 23:42.17 | thingfish | [i]: wow! so few people have done that! |
| 23:42.50 | stoned | x`y`-xy, you can log into mysql after it is installed by using mysql command. Read 'man mysql' |
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| 23:43.17 | [i] | hmm i see its more active channel than others ) |
| 23:43.28 | x`y`-xy | ok thx ...that is what i find ! |
| 23:43.35 | stoned | [i], this is by far the only channel with the most knowledgable people I've come across |
| 23:43.36 | thingfish | [i]: not really. lots of lurkers. |
| 23:44.03 | thingfish | I only know about baby trivial stuff. |
| 23:44.15 | stoned | :) |
| 23:44.25 | [i] | lurkers ?? what does it mean ? |
| 23:44.34 | stoned | [i], dictionary.com |
| 23:44.41 | [i] | okay |
| 23:44.53 | thingfish | [i]: to lurk = to wait in hiding, not saying anything, not giving away one's presence. |
| 23:45.08 | [i] | my dictionaty can't find this word :\ |
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| 23:45.27 | thingfish | [i]: like a thief would lurk in the shadows, waiting for his victim. |
| 23:45.31 | [i] | to lurk means to idling ? |
| 23:45.31 | [i] | =) |
| 23:45.36 | thingfish | oh well that too. |
| 23:45.39 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:45.46 | [i] | okay thnx |
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| 23:45.52 | stoned | idling is a characteristic of lurking, but only online |
| 23:46.00 | [i] | *)) |
| 23:46.26 | mvfeinstein | Hey can anyone in here help me I just rebooted and all of the sudden my computer cant get an ip address from my router |
| 23:46.26 | [i] | well what guys are u doing now ? |
| 23:46.45 | stoned | mvfeinstein, debian distro is ...? |
| 23:46.46 | [i] | dchp ? |
| 23:46.48 | azeem | [i]: we're helping people with Debian problems |
| 23:46.51 | [i] | dhcp |
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| 23:47.09 | stoned | mvfeinstein, sarge or testing/unstable? |
| 23:47.10 | [i] | azeem yeah i see *) |
| 23:47.14 | astronut | vim 7 release |
| 23:47.17 | astronut | !start an editor war |
| 23:47.17 | dpkg | emacs users are clueballs |
| 23:47.21 | mvfeinstein | testing |
| 23:47.21 | astronut | !start an editor war |
| 23:47.25 | thingfish | I am busy figuring out my money situation for the next two weeks. |
| 23:47.43 | jetscreamer | give me all your money. problem solved. |
| 23:47.45 | thingfish | no shares of red hat for me this week. |
| 23:47.51 | azeem | astronut: please /msg the bot |
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| 23:48.10 | thingfish | hah jetscreamer you will end up with negative funds. |
| 23:48.28 | jetscreamer | already there :) |
| 23:48.32 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:48.33 | gartt | :P |
| 23:48.39 | stoned | mvfeinstein, and before the upgrade did you upgrade your kernel? That has happened to me before, same thing. Try booting with the previous kernel, which you should still have, and see if it works. If this is not the case, then check /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces. Also log into the router and checks its config, I dont' see how that would be a problem, but I guess take troubleshooting in steps |
| 23:48.53 | stoned | mvfeinstein, before the reboot* sorry |
| 23:49.48 | mvfeinstein | stoned I just did a testing install so i have not done a kernel upgrade yet |
| 23:49.52 | thingfish | with any luck, I'll get this job assembling packages of piss test cups and test tubes. |
| 23:50.00 | thingfish | :/ |
| 23:50.11 | stoned | mvfeinstein, how did you install testing? |
| 23:50.23 | mvfeinstein | stoned netboot cd |
| 23:50.30 | stoned | netinstall* |
| 23:50.40 | azeem | mvfeinstein: try using dhcp3-client instead |
| 23:50.59 | mvfeinstein | azeem how do I do that? |
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| 23:51.34 | azeem | that's a good question, if you have no network and just a netinst CD |
| 23:51.42 | stoned | mvfeinstein, apt-cache show dhcp3-client |
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| 23:53.07 | stoned | mvfeinstein, azeem would this work? If you reuse the netinstall cd, reinstall it again, and this time while its working and then gets done, don't reboot, open another console and intstall dhcp3-client? |
| 23:53.08 | mvfeinstein | azeem I already installed the os and was using it for a while then i had to reboot and all of the sudden it can not get an ip address cat5 or wifi |
| 23:53.19 | stoned | mvfeinstein, I thought you said you just installed and rebooted |
| 23:53.44 | mvfeinstein | stoned sorry I installed like 2 hr ago and started using it then had to reboot |
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| 23:58.42 | Inazad | Anyone can help me with ftp-ssl or similar program? |
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| 23:58.59 | thingfish | yay! abrotman is here to bring order out of chaos. |
| 23:59.05 | bobdole | What is the ifconfig command to give eth0 an ip of 10.0.0.2, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 10.0.0.1 |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | eh? |
| 23:59.17 | abrotman | car bought .. let's kick ass |
| 23:59.25 | thingfish | abrotman: oh neat |
| 23:59.32 | NoRC` | I have a box on a network, its running debian (Apache 2 webserv) and unless i specify in each windows pcs hosts file that http://dms/ = 192.168.0.51 they cant just type http://dms/ |
| 23:59.33 | thingfish | what did you buy? |
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| 23:59.43 | NoRC` | Do i need to specify some workgroup thing in the debian box? |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | civic 2dr |
| 23:59.48 | thingfish | sweet |
