| 00:00.00 | kollo14 | how to find out if my box is running ssh or not? |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | NoRC`: your debian pc isn't running nmbd |
| 00:00.22 | thingfish | abrotman: new? used? |
| 00:00.25 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 00:00.26 | dpkg | open ports is, like, netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 00:00.36 | abrotman | thingfish: 2006 5spd 2dr EX civic |
| 00:00.36 | NoRC` | nmdb = ? |
| 00:00.43 | abrotman | thingfish: and in white! |
| 00:00.47 | thingfish | oh wow, sweet indeed |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | nmbd |
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| 00:01.02 | abrotman | thingfish: it was || close to being a GTI :) |
| 00:01.11 | thingfish | hey abrotman, can I borrow, say, $9,000? |
| 00:01.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:01.22 | abrotman | thingfish: if i had it .. sure |
| 00:01.32 | thingfish | ooh a GTI would have been nice... |
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| 00:01.43 | thingfish | abrotman: what color? |
| 00:01.52 | abrotman | also white |
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| 00:01.57 | abrotman | i like having a trunk |
| 00:01.59 | thingfish | slick |
| 00:02.13 | thingfish | oh yes, I see now, missed that earlier. |
| 00:02.26 | Inazad | Anyone can help me with ftp-ssl or similar program? |
| 00:02.32 | thingfish | I like white cars - had one myself once. |
| 00:02.34 | abrotman | oh jeez .. real questions ... |
| 00:02.35 | thingfish | a t-bird. |
| 00:02.37 | petemc | Inazad: tried sftp |
| 00:02.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:02.48 | NoRC` | apt cant find nmbd |
| 00:02.56 | thingfish | oh wow, I thought this was friday... |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | thingfish: the GTI was super fun to drive .. but it had no trunk .. basically .. the civic was my cheapest alternative .. based on the fact i didn't really truly like any car i drove |
| 00:03.18 | Inazad | petemc, wait me a minute |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | NoRC`: it's part of samba |
| 00:03.52 | thingfish | abrotman: oh that's a bummer, buying something you're really not thrilled about. |
| 00:04.00 | Inazad | petemc, I don't know how to use it.. can u help me? |
| 00:04.21 | thingfish | abrotman: but you bought honda - you won't be sorry. |
| 00:04.31 | petemc | Inazad: there are plenty of guides, and its not hard |
| 00:04.34 | thingfish | I own an old accord that is still plugging along. |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | thingfish: when i bought the jetta i have now .. i loved it .. i mean .. i still love the car .. and if it weren't that the clutch/trans/starter/CVJoint were dying .. i'd keep it |
| 00:04.49 | petemc | Inazad: basically, with ssh installed, you're good to go for sftp |
| 00:04.50 | Inazad | petemc, I just want to connect to ecoles.csbe.qc.ca |
| 00:05.04 | thingfish | abrotman: oh definitely - jettas are great cars. |
| 00:05.06 | Inazad | petemc, with my user Inazad |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | thingfish: yeah .. go test drive a new one .. not quite the same |
| 00:05.32 | thingfish | really... |
| 00:05.35 | abrotman | really |
| 00:05.51 | thingfish | german engineering used to mean something. |
| 00:05.55 | petemc | Inazad: ok, no idea about that - if they want you to use ftp-ssl, install a client that supports that.. |
| 00:06.24 | Inazad | petemc, can you write to me the line I have to type |
| 00:06.40 | petemc | Inazad: are you using debian? |
| 00:06.50 | Inazad | petemc, Ubuntu ya |
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| 00:07.12 | abrotman | thingfish: just doesn't drive quite the same .. but i'd say try it for yourself |
| 00:07.14 | thingfish | really what I want is an old impala or maybe some old buick hulk of a car. |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:07.34 | abrotman | i had an '83 malibu |
| 00:07.39 | karrot-x | is there a fgrlx |
| 00:07.39 | thingfish | ooo |
| 00:07.56 | abrotman | !ati |
| 00:07.56 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
| 00:08.05 | thingfish | I had a 66 mustang...but it was only a six cylinder. |
| 00:08.06 | petemc | Inazad: so read up on how to search for and install packages on ubuntu.. |
| 00:08.22 | Inazad | petemc, you just can't write to me the line |
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| 00:08.25 | thingfish | If it'd had a V8 I'd have kept it. |
| 00:08.31 | Inazad | petemc, I have all the packages I need |
| 00:08.57 | thingfish | but since then, just boring cars. |
| 00:08.59 | pipeline | thingfish: Heh. Don't worry about it. All the mustangs were gutless. |
| 00:09.15 | pipeline | thingfish: The mustang was basically a convertible fairlane with some daring advertising material. |
| 00:09.18 | pipeline | thingfish: Sexy styling, no guts. |
| 00:09.23 | thingfish | oh man, pipeline, and they rusted out so quick! |
| 00:09.28 | thingfish | amen |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | oh well .. it's just a car |
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| 00:10.20 | cureless | or a horse |
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| 00:10.33 | cureless | and iirc a cpu core |
| 00:10.35 | thingfish | abrotman: that is so true - and that's how I feel about cars in general these days. Mere transportation. |
| 00:10.43 | Inazad | petemc, u're there? |
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| 00:10.48 | cureless | thingfish: so you drive a yugo? |
| 00:10.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:10.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:11.06 | thingfish | honda, asshole ;) |
| 00:11.23 | GaiaX11 | My system is too heavy how can I light it? |
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| 00:11.40 | thingfish | I actually drove a yugo once...wow. |
| 00:11.43 | GaiaX11 | Things are very slow here |
| 00:11.47 | pipeline | cureless: The yugo's problem was that it frequently failed to be transportation. |
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| 00:11.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:11.54 | abrotman | thingfish: especially when you put 30-35 miles a day just going to/from work |
| 00:12.07 | pipeline | abrotman: 35 miles a day? hahahhahahhahahahah |
| 00:12.09 | abrotman | cureless: no .. he drives a daewoo |
| 00:12.11 | Inazad | Anyone can help me with sftp ? |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | pipeline: you live in the country :) |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | pipeline: and that's going to *my* office |
| 00:12.25 | thingfish | ooo that's too much abrotman - at least if you have to do it every day. |
| 00:12.31 | pipeline | abrotman: I live in a moderately large city. There's just no jobs the fuck out here. |
| 00:12.34 | GaiaX11 | It has got about 1200 installed packs |
| 00:12.36 | thingfish | no way, pipeline! |
| 00:12.54 | cureless | I try to commute in my LeMonde... bicycle. |
| 00:12.56 | paulswm | Yugos always seemed to me to be tin cans on wheels, except not tin but the newer very thing easily crishable soda cans |
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| 00:13.43 | abrotman | pipeline: no .. you don't |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | pipeline: i've seen the map .. that is not a city |
| 00:14.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:14.01 | pipeline | paulswm: I think the bigger problem was that the motors were also made from tin cans. |
| 00:14.04 | thingfish | what city is that? |
| 00:14.11 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, statistically, it's a moderately large city. Top 100 in the country :\ |
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| 00:14.21 | abrotman | pipeline: you don't live *in* the city |
| 00:14.22 | paulswm | pipeline: Well, there's cheap commie transportation for you :P |
| 00:14.24 | pipeline | thingfish: Muncie, Indiana. Welcoming arms of the rust belt! |
| 00:14.29 | thingfish | oh well that's a metropolis :) |
| 00:14.32 | pipeline | abrotman: Indianapolis is #12. *Muncie* is in the top 100. |
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| 00:14.38 | abrotman | pipeline: no way |
| 00:14.43 | pipeline | abrotman: 'fraid so. |
| 00:14.44 | thingfish | oh yes, I've heard of muncie. isn't there a prison there? |
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| 00:14.50 | pipeline | abrotman: There just aren't that many big cities. |
| 00:14.55 | cureless | pipeline: pipeline Muncie is in the top 100 of the world? |
| 00:15.00 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 00:15.03 | abrotman | in the country |
| 00:15.07 | thingfish | cureless: it's a real small world. |
| 00:15.09 | pipeline | thingfish: The prison is in the middle of butt-fuck nowhere, in the void between indianapolis and muncie. (aka pendleton) |
| 00:15.13 | freeone3000 | Is there a way to unbork arts? Currently it's using all free CPU, causing itself to crash, causing it to lock up because it's closing itself down and using 100% cpu while doing so. |
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| 00:15.27 | freeone3000 | I want it to sit there, do nothing. |
| 00:15.44 | abrotman | pipeline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population .. !win me .. no Muncie |
| 00:15.46 | cureless | freeone3000: kill it, tell kde not to use it. |
| 00:16.00 | freeone3000 | cureless: Done the first... how would I do the seconed? |
| 00:16.03 | thingfish | paulswm: KY? I've spent some time in louisville and owensboro. |
| 00:16.20 | freeone3000 | It wouldn't be so bad except that it does it every time it starts. |
| 00:16.21 | cureless | freeone3000: in the kde control panel, audio something or other (audio engine?) |
| 00:16.25 | thingfish | kentucky is so cool because they make bourbon there. |
| 00:16.32 | thingfish | bourbon bourbon bourbon. |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | !beer paulswm |
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| 00:17.13 | Loof | Anyone here use dot (digraph)? I'm trying to make an invisible node or make a node skip 1 level. |
| 00:17.14 | freeone3000 | Ah, I found the problem. |
| 00:17.18 | freeone3000 | SOMEONE set it to realtime. -.- |
| 00:17.25 | freeone3000 | (Which would probably be me. Since I'm the only user.) |
| 00:17.26 | paulswm | thingfish: I lived in Louisville for 7 years, in St. Matthews, did my training and got my private pilot's license flying out of Bowman Field, even did an emergency landing at Standiford field due to engine failure |
| 00:17.43 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | oh .. that was premature :) |
| 00:17.50 | cureless | paulswm: how long have you been a pilot? |
| 00:17.53 | thingfish | paulswm: wow |
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| 00:18.07 | thingfish | paulswm: what were you flying at the time? |
| 00:18.13 | abrotman | pipeline: i won! |
| 00:18.55 | paulswm | cureless: Got my PPL in March 1992 |
| 00:19.12 | abrotman | pipeline: if you do metropolitan area .. you get #300 :) |
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| 00:19.42 | cureless | paulswm: are you still an active pilot? |
| 00:19.58 | cureless | I need help from a pilot to record some audio. |
| 00:20.08 | holycow | hey guys |
| 00:20.11 | thingfish | (maybe he flies B-2s over afghanistan!) |
| 00:20.40 | holycow | does anyone know if there is another, hopefully debian based, firewall/vpn/etc software/appliance company similar to astaro? |
| 00:20.56 | holycow | just curious if anyone knows of one or hopefully are using a solution |
| 00:20.59 | thingfish | I flightsim, that's as close as I get to the real thing. |
| 00:21.21 | thingfish | cureless: what are you wanting to record? |
| 00:21.29 | thingfish | cureless: engine sounds? |
| 00:21.51 | abrotman | holycow: honestly .. does it matter? |
| 00:21.51 | cureless | no, just some sentences read in "pilot" voice. |
| 00:22.02 | holycow | abrotman, of course it does |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | it's an appliance |
| 00:22.26 | holycow | congratulations captain obvious |
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| 00:22.35 | thingfish | ooo, sass! |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | i'm gonna smack holycow |
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| 00:22.42 | holycow | lol |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | !smack Holborn |
| 00:22.58 | holycow | oi! |
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| 00:23.05 | bkudria | i'm using dnsmasq as my dhcp server and an ubuntu client has a "hostname xxx" under eth0 in it's /etc/network/interfaces...but dnsmasq doesn't seem to see that hostname...what do i do? |
| 00:23.08 | holycow | :) |
| 00:23.22 | paulswm | thingfish: Cessna 152 for training and Cessna 172 after, prefer the bigger 172, also flew a Cessna 310 a bit but didn't go for my multi-engine, too expensive |
| 00:23.31 | holycow | heh |
| 00:23.35 | thingfish | paulswm: sounds like fun. |
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| 00:23.37 | pyroplasm | holycow: genua (OpenBSD based though) |
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| 00:23.59 | holycow | pyroplasm, cool, worth a looksee. i tried astaro and frankly i'm not impressed |
| 00:24.04 | holycow | thx btw |
| 00:24.07 | abrotman | holycow: most companies don't usually advertise what OS they use |
| 00:24.08 | freeone3000 | KDE sound server is disabled. Why does artsd keep coming back? |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | kde is a virus |
| 00:24.23 | paulswm | thingfish: It was, before the security crackdown here in FL, Patrick AFB used to let me to passes along the shuttle runway at 500 ft, alas, no more |
| 00:24.28 | freeone3000 | It's a nice looking virus. |
| 00:24.38 | thingfish | paulswm: all my life I've had a fascination with aircraft. Dad used to take us to the airport on sundays when I was just a wee tad. I'd get to see the DC-3s and Connies taking off and landing. |
| 00:24.49 | thingfish | paulswm: wow neat |
| 00:24.52 | pyroplasm | holycow: well, cisco does :) |
| 00:25.00 | holycow | abrotman *nod* i know, i was looking at astaro and its super shitty installer. i can't believe someone didn't do a redhat style thing and used debian to pull an astaro appliance together |
| 00:25.14 | holycow | pyroplasm, ehe |
| 00:25.15 | thingfish | hehehe |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:25.17 | holycow | indeed *nod* |
| 00:25.20 | freeone3000 | Stupid catastrophic system failures... |
| 00:25.45 | abrotman | holycow: what about a VPN distro? does it have to be an appliance? |
| 00:25.49 | cureless | freeone3000: something is starting arts (which is a virus). What else is running? Did you restart kde after changing the config? |
| 00:26.07 | freeone3000 | cureless: Oh. No. I should, shouldn't I. |
| 00:26.13 | holycow | abrotman, no actually thats a good point. but then again, i am a debian fanatic :) |
| 00:26.37 | paulswm | thingfish: Go spend $50 or whatever and have a familiarization flight and see if you like it, it's not that expensive to train for a licence. Recommend getting the flight and subsequent training in a high-wing like the Cessna, visibility is better than in a low-wing, and, actually, the high wings are easier to land |
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| 00:26.42 | abrotman | holycow: i meant .. would you use a Debian-based distro with VPN in mind .. on your own hardware? |
| 00:26.52 | holycow | abrotman, yes i would |
| 00:27.14 | tuvwx | why isn't there a debian-laptio channel? there are such channels for gentoo and ubuntu |
| 00:27.33 | seb-- | holycow, abrotman: i'm using debian with openvpn now for work |
| 00:27.34 | cureless | tuvwx: you can ask here. |
| 00:27.39 | holycow | genua looks neat, thx for link to that |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | holycow: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 00:27.47 | abrotman | laptio ? |
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| 00:27.55 | thingfish | paulswm: oh really, they are? And wow, $50 is not much at all. |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | holycow: but honestly .. you can just use straight debian |
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| 00:28.30 | holycow | abrotman, *nod* i may end up doing just that i guess ... i was hoping to purchase some support for it tho |
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| 00:28.47 | holycow | ah cool thats a great link abrotman i should of noticed that one my self |
| 00:28.47 | holycow | cool |
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| 00:28.57 | bkudria | i'm using dnsmasq as my dhcp server and an ubuntu client has a "hostname xxx" under eth0 in it's /etc/network/interfaces...but dnsmasq doesn't seem to see that hostname...what do i do? |
| 00:29.02 | freeone3000 | And now it stays dead. THanks. :) |
| 00:29.21 | abrotman | holycow: the stonegate looks interesting |
| 00:29.24 | cureless | freeone3000: np. |
| 00:29.26 | thingfish | dammit, now I want to go flightsim. |
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| 00:29.37 | paulswm | thingfish: I'm guessing at cost, as it's been a long time, but tuition (including aircraft) is prolly less than $100 per hour and you should qualify in 40 hours or so and you can spread it out over a year or two if you want |
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| 00:29.58 | holycow | abrotman, yeah actually |
| 00:29.59 | holycow | neato |
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| 00:30.10 | thingfish | paulswm: that's not at all unreasonable, not like I'd thought it would be. |
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| 00:30.17 | paulswm | thingfish: The MS flightsim's Cessna (I thik it was a 172 or 192RG (retractable gear) flies very, very much like the real thing |
| 00:30.34 | cureless | so, paulswm you want to help recording some sentences? |
| 00:30.34 | thingfish | paulswm: oh cool because I've flown that tons of times. |
| 00:30.41 | paulswm | Or it used to, haven't used the MS flightsim for a few years |
| 00:30.47 | thingfish | I have a 182RG |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | i have a jetta |
| 00:31.00 | thingfish | paulswm: FS2004 is great. |
| 00:31.01 | cureless | i have a bike |
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| 00:31.06 | abrotman | cureless: hippie! |
| 00:31.10 | thingfish | oh you guys |
| 00:31.17 | thingfish | yay! for hippies. |
| 00:31.22 | cureless | abrotman: work encourages hippiness. |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | i'd bike to work if i could |
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| 00:32.07 | thingfish | there was a hippy priest in ohio a few years back that got busted because he had about 100 pot plants growing in the rectory basement. |
| 00:32.12 | pilgrim | How do I tell bash, "after 30 mins play an mp3 using xmms" |
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| 00:32.26 | abrotman | sleep |
| 00:32.26 | pilgrim | I don't know how to specify a time. |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | at |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | yay for options! |
| 00:32.34 | holycow | abrotman, pyramid and gibraltar look neat too |
| 00:32.38 | pilgrim | abrotman, cool. thanks |
| 00:32.46 | cureless | pilgrim: sleep 1800 && xmms some.mp3 |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | holycow: also .. check at lwn.net |
| 00:33.02 | paulswm | thingfish: If you did training, you could do a lot of stuff from the training manuals on the flightsim actually, not necessarily a lot of help - for instance a spin(not actually required but I asked to be taught spin recivery anyway) is a LOT different when you're in the aeroplane. My inital procedure for spin control was to grap the dash with one hand while holding the yoke with the other and exclaim "oh, SHIT" |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | cureless: at +30 xmms blah.mp3 ? |
| 00:33.11 | karrot-x | hmm, can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong with this: http://66.92.163.14/config/XF86Config-4 ; right now both displays show ..... i can only get a blurred image on the left and half of the correct image on the right |
| 00:33.12 | pilgrim | cureless, except I want it to sleep till 1900 :) |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | 1800 is seconds |
| 00:33.21 | freeone3000 | On a possibly related but also possibly completly unrelated note, noatun refuses to start now. |
| 00:33.43 | cureless | freeone3000: completely related, it probably needs arts. |
| 00:33.50 | thingfish | paulswm: hehe no doubt! it's no big deal to do one in flightsim - who cares, I mean? but in real life...no fricking way. |
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| 00:33.54 | abrotman | completely related .. kde is krap |
| 00:34.06 | thingfish | it is! don't be ashamed. |
| 00:34.09 | freeone3000 | cureless: That has to be the most stupid thing they've ever did. |
| 00:34.13 | pipeline | abrotman: ehh, still not bad. Can you blame me for spouting ancient stats? :P |
| 00:34.24 | thingfish | oh sorry abrotman you know you are right good buddy |
| 00:34.29 | thingfish | <clink> |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | pipeline: yeah ... i bet back in 1902 Muncie was booming! |
| 00:34.41 | cureless | freeone3000: I don't know, I don't use noatun. |
| 00:35.01 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, going to afterstep. |
| 00:35.04 | cureless | the mid-west golden years? |
| 00:35.15 | abrotman | before the dust bowl :) |
| 00:35.17 | thingfish | call of the wild blue yonder has me... |
| 00:35.22 | FabParma | how to enable the *Num Lock* at boot? |
| 00:35.24 | freeone3000 | Because no GNOME is avalible on etch... |
| 00:35.24 | cureless | freeone3000: that won't make noatun work. |
| 00:35.38 | cureless | freeone3000: if you want a simple desktop use xfce4 |
| 00:35.42 | abrotman | freeone3000: yes it is .. i'm on it now |
| 00:35.46 | cureless | freeone3000: I use kde though. |
| 00:35.50 | freeone3000 | abrotman: Oh, cool. |
| 00:35.52 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 00:35.52 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | start smaller if 'gnome' doesn't work |
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| 00:36.33 | abrotman | paulswm: you didn't like my invite .. wasn't polite enough? |
| 00:36.59 | paulswm | abrotman: Yes, it was polite, and I apologize to all for going ot |
| 00:37.02 | Rouke__ | ello |
| 00:37.03 | pipeline | abrotman: More like 1922-1972 :P |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | paulswm: eh? |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | pipeline: sure sure ... |
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| 00:37.20 | pipeline | abrotman: There was a petroleum boom here in the 20s and 30s, followed by a long period of prosperity due to automotive manufacturing. |
| 00:37.24 | abrotman | holycow: also http://lwn.net/Distributions/ |
| 00:37.30 | pipeline | abrotman: Believe it or not, Indiana used to be big into auto manufacture :P |
| 00:37.44 | paulswm | abrotman: response to <abrotman> paulswm: you didn't like my invite .. wasn't polite enough? |
| 00:37.44 | FabParma | can Debian activate "num lock" automatically? |
| 00:37.45 | abrotman | pipeline: then .. nothing .. cows .. everywhere .. i can't believe the cows ate the residents |
| 00:37.49 | holycow | abrotman, you need to get a job at google or something |
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| 00:37.53 | abrotman | holycow: eh? |
| 00:38.00 | pipeline | abrotman: The rest of the country grew rapidly, muncie did not :P |
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| 00:38.07 | FabParma | !num lock |
| 00:38.20 | abrotman | FabParma: doesn't your bios handle that? |
| 00:38.21 | FabParma | !numlock |
| 00:38.21 | dpkg | Use setleds(1) to set the NumLock (and CapsLock and ScrollLock) status in a vt. Have a look at the package "numlockx" to set the NumLock status in X. |
| 00:38.26 | abrotman | or that |
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| 00:39.44 | paulswm | laterz abrotman, have a safe night |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | ack! |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | noone loves me |
| 00:40.10 | holycow | paulswm, loves you abrotman |
| 00:40.14 | abrotman | my mom keeps telling me to play in traffic! |
| 00:40.15 | paulswm | abrotman: nothing to do with you, buddy |
| 00:40.16 | holycow | >_< |
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| 00:40.26 | freeone3000 | Now arts is coming back. |
| 00:40.31 | freeone3000 | Joy to behold >,< |
| 00:41.01 | abrotman | paulswm: i understand .. |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | well .. not really .. but really .. but not really .. but really |
| 00:41.22 | paulswm | >_< |
| 00:41.27 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:41.32 | paulswm | :) |
| 00:42.25 | tyreth | Is it possible to have php4+apache 1.3 and php5+apache2 running on the same system using only basic apt-get packages? I have both installed and working, but...php4+mysql5+apache1.3 doesn't work whereas php5+mysql5+apache2 works |
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| 00:42.34 | tyreth | I've checked and both php4-mysql and php5-mysql are installed |
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| 00:43.31 | abrotman | tyreth: well .. you can't have hte listen on the same port |
| 00:43.33 | Oryn | is there a channel for tablet pc´s |
| 00:43.48 | tyreth | abrotman, apache-1.3 is listening on 443 (using SSL) while apache2 is on 80 |
| 00:44.03 | tyreth | The apache+php works fine. My trouble is the mysql module for each apache version |
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| 00:44.29 | tyreth | php5+mysql is working, but php4+mysql isn't - I'm thinking maybe there's a package or config missing |
| 00:44.31 | tyreth | but I can't see what |
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| 00:44.52 | abrotman | too many libmysql.so or something perhaps |
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| 00:45.11 | abrotman | or make sure they are both enabled |
| 00:45.28 | tyreth | you mean check enabled in php.ini? |
| 00:46.07 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:46.36 | mrbond82 | Can someone help me figure out why my mod_rewrite is broken? |
| 00:46.48 | cafuego | !info vim sid |
| 00:46.55 | dpkg | vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:6.4-007+1 (sid), Packaged size: 572 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 00:47.14 | chealer | cafuego: don't aggravate the pain! |
| 00:47.28 | cafuego | chealer: whut? |
| 00:47.43 | elinux | chealer, vim vim vim ;) |
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| 00:47.51 | abrotman | cafuego: in experimental maybe? |
| 00:48.01 | chealer | vim 7, vim 7! |
| 00:48.02 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm not that desperate ;-) |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | cafuego: RSN,SIYH!! |
| 00:48.34 | freeone3000 | vim is optional? |
| 00:48.44 | freeone3000 | !info x unstable |
| 00:48.45 | cafuego | freeone3000: Yes |
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| 00:49.13 | kenkea | i don't have files rgb.txt and rstart in /etc/X11 in my new 'etch' installation. is it ok to just copy over from 'etch' installation? |
| 00:49.27 | FabParma | how to show the dns using shell? |
| 00:49.36 | kenkea | i mean fr another 'etch' installation. |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | show the dns? |
| 00:49.39 | freeone3000 | FabParma: ifconfig |
| 00:50.07 | FabParma | freeone3000: in the man there are not option for dns |
| 00:50.09 | dli | FabParma, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:50.20 | FabParma | dli: thank you |
| 00:50.21 | jetscreamer | motherfucker |
| 00:50.25 | abrotman | yes? |
| 00:50.46 | jetscreamer | i did glxinfo in xterm and x restarted. i just lost 6 hours worth of encoding |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | hahahahaha |
| 00:50.56 | tyreth | abrotman, thanks - that's looking good now (added mysql.so to php.ini for the php4 version) |
| 00:51.06 | abrotman | tyreth: yay |
| 00:51.19 | FabParma | dli: has worked, thank you |
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| 00:52.13 | FabParma | dli: how to enable the "Num Lock" automatically at start-up? |
| 00:52.34 | freeone3000 | !tell FabParma about numlock |
| 00:53.28 | kenkea | i don't have files rgb.txt and rstart in /etc/X11 in my new 'etch' installation. is it ok to just copy over from another 'etch' installation? |
| 00:53.34 | FabParma | freeone3000: thanks |
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| 00:53.55 | freeone3000 | FabParma: Freakin third time as well. |
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| 00:54.21 | abrotman | !find rgb.txt etch |
| 00:54.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rgb.txt' (6 of 12): (/etc/tcm/colorrgb.txt) in graphics/tcm ;; (/usr/share/xwatch/rgb.txt) in admin/xwatch ;; (/etc/dspam/rgb.txt) in mail/dspam-webfrontend ;; (/usr/share/vdkb2/res/rgb.txt) in devel/vdkbuilder2 ;; (/usr/lib/pgplot5/rgb.txt) in non-free/math/pgplot5 ;; (/usr/share/emacs/21.4/etc/rgb.txt) in editors/emacs21-common. |
| 00:54.41 | elinux | freeone3000, what was this !tell, am new to the channel |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | elinux: the dpkg bot will tell you stuff |
| 00:55.27 | elinux | abrotman, ok, so it search for what you type after? |
| 00:55.31 | freeone3000 | !+help tel |
| 00:55.31 | dpkg | no help on tel. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 00:55.32 | karrot-x | hmm, can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong with this: http://66.92.163.14/config/XF86Config-4 ; right now both displays show ..... i can only get a blurred image on the left and half of the correct image on the right |
| 00:55.35 | freeone3000 | !+help tell |
| 00:55.35 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.36 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.36 | dpkg | Example: tell me about blootbot |
| 00:55.37 | dpkg | Example: tell someone -about testing |
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| 00:56.02 | freeone3000 | Ehm. My bad? |
| 00:56.03 | elinux | iiiih |
| 00:56.08 | elinux | lol |
| 00:56.20 | elinux | did he flood kick himself? |
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| 00:56.37 | freeone3000 | Appears so. |
| 00:56.37 | FabParma | freeone3000: it works , great. thank you |
| 00:57.13 | kenkea | i don't have files rgb.txt and rstart in /etc/X11 in my new 'etch' installation. is it ok to just copy over from another 'etch' installation? |
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| 00:57.54 | abrotman | elinux: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | freeone3000: don't do that again |
| 00:58.10 | freeone3000 | Aach. xmms not working. |
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| 00:58.14 | freeone3000 | abrotman: Kay. |
| 00:58.37 | abrotman | elinux: you'll have to wait for the bot to return |
| 00:59.09 | cureless | freeone3000: are you using alsa? |
| 00:59.21 | freeone3000 | cureless: nod |
| 00:59.37 | freeone3000 | ...Bad autobold. |
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| 01:00.04 | kenkea | am i online? |
| 01:00.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg flooded the channel and ran away |
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| 01:02.58 | kenkea | i don't have files rgb.txt and rstart in /etc/X11 in my new 'etch' installation. is it ok to just copy over from another 'etch' installation? |
| 01:03.00 | kenkea | i don't have files rgb.txt and rstart in /etc/X11 in my new 'etch' installation. is it ok to just copy over from another 'etch' installation? |
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| 01:06.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: nevermind .. dpkg came back |
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| 01:09.18 | abrotman | cafuego: http://www.inittab.de/blog/debian/20060508_vim7-released.html |
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| 01:10.41 | bkudria | i get an unresolved sysmbol error when i try to "modprobe nvidia" i have a stock kernel (2.6.16-1-k7) and the correct driver version...what do i do? |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | what kernel for each? |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | s/kernel/compiler/ |
| 01:11.25 | bkudria | err, no clue...i didn't compile them... |
| 01:11.44 | bkudria | i apt-getted both |
| 01:12.28 | bkudria | i had previosly compiled the nvidia driver, but accel wasn't working (although glxinfo said direct rendering: yes), so i removed it and installed the stock... |
| 01:12.32 | chealer | bkudria: which release do you use? |
| 01:13.09 | bkudria | chealer kernel: 2.6.16-1-k7, nvidia-glx says it's 8756 |
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| 01:14.02 | bkudria | the nvidia-kernel- package says it's 8756+1 |
| 01:14.27 | chealer | bkudria: I suppose you use unstable? did you look at the BTS? |
| 01:14.36 | bkudria | unstable, yes |
| 01:14.38 | bkudria | not yet |
| 01:14.46 | bkudria | which package should i examine? |
| 01:14.59 | chealer | bkudria: linux-2.6 |
| 01:15.26 | bkudria | ok, i'll look... |
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| 01:19.19 | bkudria | err, i don't see anything...should i just get nvidia-kernel-source and compile with m-a? |
| 01:19.51 | chealer | bkudria: that should be the workaround, yes |
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| 01:20.25 | bkudria | i had that setup before and accel didn't work...i'll come in here and bug you about it :) |
| 01:21.12 | chealer | !dbugs 366291 |
| 01:21.15 | dpkg | #366291:G[linux-2.6] nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-1-k7: Won't load into linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7 version 2.6.16-12; Sun, 7 May 2006 00:48:01 UTC |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | !kill nvidia |
| 01:21.30 | Phated | o.O |
| 01:21.31 | karrot-x | !kill ati |
| 01:22.03 | bkudria | :( |
| 01:22.10 | bkudria | how come i didn't see that? |
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| 01:22.40 | chealer | bkudria: good question :) |
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| 01:23.34 | bkudria | compile it is |
| 01:23.40 | bkudria | thanks, chealer, abrotman |
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| 01:24.57 | iturk | what is the best way in order to make a print screen in linux and put it in a file ?? |
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| 01:28.09 | chealer | iturk: a screenshot? install an application to take screenshots, such as ksnapshot if you use KDE, and use it |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | gnome has many ways |
| 01:28.43 | chealer | !kill linux ABI changes |
| 01:28.56 | cureless | iturk: there are multiple ways, I'm sure if you apt-cache search you'll find some. Even gimp takes screenshots. |
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| 01:29.55 | iturk | cureless: ok gimp its ok |
| 01:30.04 | iturk | i dont have kde its the best option |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | iturk: check under the Desktop menu in gnoem if you're running it |
| 01:32.19 | iturk | abrotman: no i use windows maker |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 01:36.37 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:36.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:36.46 | chealer | !abrotmoo |
| 01:36.46 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 01:41.48 | abchirk500 | hi |
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| 01:42.16 | abchirk500 | can someone give me a hint where i have to look for proftpd...that a normaluser cannot show "/" |
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| 01:43.43 | elinux | !elik about numlock |
| 01:43.48 | elinux | !tell elik about numlock |
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| 01:44.37 | nix | abchirk500: DefaultRoot option |
| 01:44.38 | bkudria | chealer: yep...compiled, and glxinfo ssys direct rendering: yes, but glxgears gives like 9 fps |
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| 01:44.45 | quik_ | hey folks |
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| 01:44.53 | quik_ | how can I list all the users on a machine? |
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| 01:45.15 | bkudria | logged in? who |
| 01:45.23 | bkudria | in general? cat /etc/passwd |
| 01:45.26 | quik_ | no. just all users allowed on the machine |
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| 01:46.20 | abchirk500 | ah thx nix |
| 01:47.16 | bkudria | quik_: allowed? as in, to log in? cat /etc/passwd...the real users are at the end |
| 01:47.30 | cheal | bkudria: hum, no idea. I've never heard about GLX performance bugs of that gravity. you may want to ask #nvidia, or try a different driver version |
| 01:48.20 | abchirk500 | hm nix i added now a other user by adduser and this user can watch "/"? |
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| 01:49.03 | abchirk500 | but cant take him to group ftpuser? |
| 01:49.06 | thom_ | How can I link one directory to another one? |
| 01:49.33 | bkudria | cheal: (are you chealer?) i did ask in #nvidia...they are all quiet. |
| 01:49.46 | bkudria | thom_: ln -s olddir/ newdir/ ? |
| 01:49.48 | laney_ | ln -s (dir you want to link) (new directory name) |
| 01:49.56 | thom_ | oh |
| 01:49.58 | thom_ | THanks |
| 01:50.02 | thom_ | also |
| 01:50.07 | thom_ | How do I get out of a 'su' ? |
| 01:50.15 | laney_ | just type 'exit' |
| 01:50.28 | thom_ | laney_ Thank you |
| 01:50.29 | laney_ | it will return you to the shell that launched su. |
| 01:50.35 | laney_ | no problem, thom_ |
| 01:50.56 | laney_ | typing control-D works too - it's just a regular shell. |
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| 01:51.08 | cheal | bkudria: yes, I'm chealer. we can't help you with bugs in NVIDIA's drivers other than by suggesting workarounds like I just did. try the workaround, be patient, or research by yourself |
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| 01:51.46 | bkudria | cheal: i understand. thanks anyway! |
| 01:51.48 | laney_ | !!!R E E N I G N E E S R E V E R |
| 01:51.55 | wlwireless | my Evolution icons all look like documents folded at the top right corner and a red cross at the center. is this proper? |
| 01:52.01 | laney_ | Death to nVida! |
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| 01:52.31 | cheal | laney_: can you restate that now that gravity is here? |
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| 01:52.37 | thom_ | laney_ If I want to grant specific directory access to a user, is linking the best way to do that? I was just going to link their home directory to \dir1\dir2 ... |
| 01:52.48 | gravity | urgh |
| 01:53.21 | cheal | [21:53] <laney_> Death to nVida! |
| 01:53.24 | laney_ | thom_, using a group is probably the best way. Maybe creating a new group and addin them to it. |
| 01:53.25 | gravity | heh |
| 01:53.30 | gravity | I'm down with that |
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| 01:53.37 | cheal | wel, it's missing a "i" and proper capitalization |
| 01:53.45 | gravity | Although they're apparently all really cool people |
| 01:53.47 | thom_ | laney_ a group? |
| 01:53.59 | thom_ | Can you point me in the right direction? |
| 01:54.06 | cheal | gravity: what does "being down" mean in that context? |
| 01:54.22 | gravity | cheal: "Ok with" |
| 01:54.31 | bkudria | cheal: he's hip to it, cool cat |
| 01:54.40 | gravity | dig |
| 01:54.45 | cheal | gravity: ok |
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| 01:55.16 | laney_ | thom_ try looking at the man page on you /etc/groups file. You create a new group in there, change the group ownership of the directory you want multiple people to have access to to that new group, then add all of those people to that group. |
| 01:55.20 | cheal | I agree, they're really cool people, but there's no reason not to kill them |
| 01:55.46 | thom_ | awesome, thanks |
| 01:56.46 | wlwireless | why is everybody talking only rubbish here? |
| 01:57.02 | laney_ | is it a rubbish bin? |
| 01:57.11 | wlwireless | it is |
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| 01:57.38 | feistel | hi |
| 01:57.42 | laney_ | is it? Well, fair play to them, then. |
| 01:57.43 | wlwireless | lo |
| 01:57.47 | gravity | Well... we could talk about a patch I have to audit if you'd like instead... |
| 01:57.58 | abrotman | gravity: does it have numbers? |
| 01:58.00 | feistel | anyone can helpme with wine? |
| 01:58.02 | gravity | abrotman: Maybe |
| 01:58.05 | wlwireless | talk about your bald patch. |
| 01:58.09 | abrotman | gravity: that is AWESOME! |
| 01:58.24 | gravity | Rubbish! |
| 01:58.25 | abrotman | feistel: what kind of help ? |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | gravity: any hyphens? |
| 01:58.45 | gravity | Always |
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| 01:58.53 | wlwireless | my Evolution icons all look like documents folded at the top right corner and a red cross at the center. is this proper? |
| 01:58.54 | feistel | abrotman, I can't load a DLL, error: c0000020 |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | gravity: that is the most awesome patch evar! |
| 01:58.59 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:59.07 | wlwireless | a bald patch. |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | feistel: might get more help in #winehq for that kind of issue |
| 01:59.11 | gravity | wlwireless: Erm... no |
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| 01:59.18 | wlwireless | yes. |
| 01:59.18 | feistel | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:59.43 | gravity | wlwireless: It can't find the icons... I don't have evo installed because it's a beast, but they probably should be in /usr/share/icons... |
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| 02:00.15 | wlwireless | gravity: thks. that is something. better than a bald patch. |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | maybe try reinstalling it |
| 02:00.51 | gravity | Or just seeing if the icons are there and accessible |
| 02:00.58 | gravity | I don't want to go near evo though... it's huge |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | gravity: it's smaller than emacs ... |
| 02:01.19 | wlwireless | gravity: which would u rather recommend? |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:01.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:01.25 | gravity | vim7 4teh WIN |
| 02:01.34 | gravity | wlwireless: I use mutt, but I know it's not for everyone |
| 02:01.49 | wlwireless | abrotman: damn it, for the umpteen times, i am not Jim! |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | we know .. jim knows proper english :) |
| 02:02.15 | intx | is there any app/command to beep the window? |
| 02:02.20 | abrotman | !beep |
| 02:02.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 02:02.56 | wlwireless | abrotman: better to address people properly than to use proper English. |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:03.21 | intx | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:03.28 | wlwireless | gfy |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | cry |
| 02:03.40 | gravity | wlwireless: The joke must have just gone over your head |
| 02:03.51 | wlwireless | in a way. |
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| 02:05.34 | abrotman | gravity: why aren't you drinking corona? |
| 02:05.44 | gravity | abrotman: I can't take time off |
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| 02:05.59 | diego | any HOWTO to install XGL in debian sid amd64?? thanks |
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| 02:06.22 | gravity | I have to give a huge presentation next week. Then a few days later I have to meet with the people who decide my fate |
| 02:06.22 | intx | is there anyway to beep putty? |
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| 02:06.48 | Noboru | I have a file which is excutable,but i cannot install it |
| 02:07.22 | Noboru | i run ./foo it says Permission denied |
| 02:07.29 | Noboru | im already suroot |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | gravity: i could decide your fate! |
| 02:07.57 | gravity | Sweet |
| 02:08.50 | intx | nevermind. sorry, I figured out what I was doing wrong :) |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | gravity: you will join David Blaine on his next trip to Blaine-world :) |
| 02:09.02 | gravity | urgh... I don't wanna go swimming |
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| 02:09.34 | abrotman | gravity: no no .. the next one |
| 02:09.36 | Noboru | worked,forgot to +x |
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| 02:21.28 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 02:21.41 | anotherircuser | hello ! i'm under slackware 10.2 command line and i'd like to disable motherboard "beep" sounds which occrus when i press multiple "tabs" for auto-completion for example, i'v mute the souncards in alsamixer yet... can you help me ?... [nobody to help me on #slackware]... |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | anotherircuser: ask ##linux |
| 02:22.03 | cheal | anotherircuser: no. this is a Debian support channel |
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| 02:25.05 | ttick | hmm, what's the trick for setting up xmame? after I install it, where do I put the rom zips? |
| 02:25.34 | anotherircuser | cheal> ok, nobody on #linuxhelp... thanks ! |
| 02:25.55 | SoloFlyer | http://pastebin.com/706712 <-- anyoneknow why i keep getting this error when i use apt-build install wine? |
| 02:27.03 | SoloFlyer | wine_0.9.11-1 |
| 02:28.39 | ttick | okay, why no front-ends for xmame in debian? |
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| 02:37.38 | Noboru | how do i install gcc ? |
| 02:38.44 | Noboru | apt-install gcc |
| 02:38.44 | abrotman | !b-e Noboru |
| 02:38.44 | dpkg | Noboru: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:38.51 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:38.58 | Noboru | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 02:38.59 | Noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.15 | Noboru | abrotman, that will install gcc as well ? |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | Noboru: /topic |
| 02:40.04 | Noboru | sorry ok,let me try,thanks |
| 02:41.01 | TraceGreen | Hello, I compiled bootsplash to my kernel, but why i can not find /proc/splash ? |
| 02:44.43 | TraceGreen | I patched bootsplash to my kernel, config bootsplash and compile sucessfully, but can not find /proc/splash;-( |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | right .. those two people who quit surely had the answer |
| 02:46.07 | halley | Why would there be a /proc/splash for something that only shows up for a moment during startup and is then completely and utterly useless? |
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| 02:46.39 | abrotman | why would anyone use bootsplash ? |
| 02:47.33 | Noboru | apt-get install apt-setup package not found |
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| 02:47.51 | Noboru | My current source doesn't work well |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:48.04 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 02:52.29 | dserban | Question, and I hope someone knows wtf I'm talking about ;) I think I screwed myself over in the xorg 7 switch... i was forced to use the nvidia drivers (from the site) instead of the debianized packages since they were borked at the time.... now I switched back to the debainized packages and I don't have direct rendering according to glxinfo... are there some links I need to create? |
| 02:52.59 | rredd4 | I am reading synaptics driver doc. It says to "Add/Replace in the InputDevice section for the touchpad the following lines:" Do I replace the current Input Device that is associated with the mouse or just # all of the entries? |
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| 02:53.24 | Kyral | wtf, an IPv6 address? |
| 02:54.19 | FabParma | an information, squid, can as well create anonymous proxy chain? i mean concatenating it internet proxy |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | Kyral: try a lastlog .. lots of them |
| 02:54.30 | Kyral | ah |
| 02:54.31 | Kyral | sorry |
| 02:54.41 | Kyral | I haven't been paying attention :P |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | you're an ubuntu user! .. why would you |
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| 03:00.21 | abrotman | like gschem ? not even the same ? |
| 03:00.21 | Kyral | I know it has an outstanding bug, but I'm relaxing from finals, gimme a week :P |
| 03:00.35 | gravity | meh, I don't care. I have way more outstanding bugs on my packages. |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | gravity: you have like two bugs! |
| 03:00.50 | gravity | heh |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | !info gschem sid |
| 03:01.16 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | oh .. that's part of geda . i'm going to guess it's not for chemical drawings |
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| 03:02.18 | gravity | I actually looked at the outstanding X bugs today. 1700 and something |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | all active .. or just of a certain level and above? |
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| 03:02.59 | gravity | All active |
| 03:03.01 | abrotman | !tell Nopalin about root |
| 03:03.13 | abrotman | gravity: mark them all unreproducible .. go to DC6! |
| 03:03.22 | gravity | heh |
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| 03:03.30 | gravity | It's work that keeps me from DC6, not X |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | i can cover you! |
| 03:04.36 | deadcat_ | abrotman: did you see the hr by bonds? (= |
| 03:04.42 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 03:04.50 | gravity | Yeah, it'd look really weird if you walked in to my committee meeting saying "I'm going to give David's thesis prospectus to you guys for him" |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | deadcat_: all tied up ? |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 03:04.56 | Daveman | tax return, government bonds? |
| 03:05.00 | Daveman | can you say, scandal? |
| 03:05.09 | deadcat_ | abrotman: nah. hes 1 shy |
| 03:05.15 | Daveman | oh wait, baseball...? - lame. |
| 03:05.17 | abrotman | gravity: would it help if i were wearing an umbrella hat ? |
| 03:05.17 | Daveman | ;) |
| 03:05.28 | abrotman | Daveman: just because noone will give your state a team! |
| 03:05.35 | deadcat_ | HAHAHAHA |
| 03:05.37 | Daveman | excuse me? |
| 03:05.39 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 03:05.40 | Daveman | we have the best team? |
| 03:05.45 | Daveman | NY mf :P |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | new jersey? |
| 03:05.53 | Daveman | Yankees, duh? |
| 03:06.09 | deadcat_ | they are bunch of chokers |
| 03:06.15 | Daveman | uh dude |
| 03:06.26 | Daveman | my family grew up in the city... so go suck a lemon ;) |
| 03:06.27 | deadcat_ | uh... vs boston? |
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| 03:06.38 | abrotman | but luckily .. they've got the Nets, Jets, AND the giants! |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | and the devils! |
| 03:06.44 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:06.52 | Daveman | take that everybody else? |
| 03:06.53 | Daveman | :P |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | but no baseball |
| 03:07.02 | deadcat_ | havent seen anyone/team choke that bad since paris hilton |
| 03:07.06 | Daveman | meh |
| 03:07.13 | Daveman | we all go to the city for the games (baseball) |
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| 03:07.22 | Daveman | so it's not like it's any real inconvenience |
| 03:07.24 | b-_-d | why is disk access slow on usb drive? |
| 03:07.25 | b-_-d | no dma? |
| 03:07.31 | Daveman | because it's usb?? |
| 03:07.32 | abrotman | usb1 ? |
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| 03:07.43 | abrotman | Daveman: i get to go see phils/sox in two weeks :) |
| 03:07.48 | Daveman | oooh |
| 03:07.50 | Daveman | neat |
| 03:07.58 | Daveman | hope philly gets their butt kicked ;) |
| 03:07.58 | b-_-d | abrotman usb2 |
| 03:08.04 | knvinh | hi everybody, could anyone tell how to create PDF file from multiple JPG in Linux? |
| 03:08.07 | abrotman | i just want to watch schilling actually be able to pitch in philly :) |
| 03:08.12 | Daveman | :) |
| 03:08.40 | abrotman | i got seats in section 127 |
| 03:08.42 | b-_-d | wife's hd went out so i put debian amd64 on a 1gb pen drive |
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| 03:08.59 | b-_-d | kde and gaim fit :) |
| 03:09.10 | CompWizrd | usb's just bloody slow, even if it's a hard drive |
| 03:09.27 | CompWizrd | i have a 4.x TB array that has to boot off a 16 meg CF card, it takes a bit to get going |
| 03:09.36 | b-_-d | ram access should be fast |
| 03:09.36 | abrotman | uh |
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| 03:10.17 | b-_-d | xorg 7.0 in unstable wowl |
| 03:10.24 | gravity | wowl is right |
| 03:10.32 | CompWizrd | and it works! |
| 03:10.39 | gravity | heh, sorta |
| 03:10.44 | CompWizrd | actually, i haven't crashed 7.0 in awhile |
| 03:10.47 | gravity | abrotman: Later |
| 03:10.50 | CompWizrd | xfree86 would crash every couple days on me |
| 03:10.56 | gravity | Oh, that's good to hear |
| 03:10.58 | abrotman | later mr gravity |
| 03:11.00 | CompWizrd | i'd hit the wrong sequence of buttons and it'd kaboom |
| 03:11.14 | b-_-d | and it works? |
| 03:11.14 | CompWizrd | i use too many shortcuts in icewm :) |
| 03:11.26 | gravity | b-_-d: Most of the huge bugs are ironed out, but not all of them |
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| 03:11.53 | b-_-d | i will not push bugs on the wife |
| 03:11.53 | gravity | But yeah, it's working pretty well. It's getting close to the point where it'll be ready for testing |
| 03:12.00 | gravity | Good idea |
| 03:12.06 | CompWizrd | b-_-d: apt-listbugs is a good thing to have installed |
| 03:12.27 | gravity | The xfonts need some basic fixes, which will hopefully go in tonight, provided I bust my ass |
| 03:12.44 | larrikin | I have trouble with gnome and mozilla re: drag n drop .. that's it though .. and I run icewm .. |
| 03:12.45 | gravity | Other than that, it's a lot of smaller issues. Missing manpages and such. |
| 03:12.46 | b-_-d | i am very impressed with debian amd64 unstable i am thinking about dumping my linux box to get it |
| 03:12.52 | CompWizrd | ah yes, that was one thing that bugged me about 7.0, finding out about DPI :) |
| 03:13.03 | gravity | CompWizrd: That's fixed now though |
| 03:13.07 | CompWizrd | vmware server runs without any great issue on amd64 |
| 03:13.11 | gravity | That was an Xsession bug |
| 03:13.26 | gravity | Which reminds me... I need to upgrade my ppc which was suffering from that too |
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| 03:13.36 | CompWizrd | i have a 32 bit sarge vmware session that runs under the amd64 host, and that works as well |
| 03:13.38 | b-_-d | how do i make kdm start on boot |
| 03:13.49 | CompWizrd | if i remember right i only had to install the ia32 libs, and it just worked after that |
| 03:13.57 | gravity | b-_-d: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 03:14.02 | gravity | (as root) |
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| 03:14.18 | b-_-d | i do not see kdm is it not in kde base? |
| 03:14.25 | CompWizrd | gravity: you mean... i won't have to RTFM(W) anymore, it'll just WORK? :) |
| 03:14.27 | deadcat_ | damn. vim7 is out (= |
| 03:14.45 | gravity | CompWizrd: For the 75dpi thing? Yeah... |
| 03:14.52 | CompWizrd | pfft, i like 96dpi :) |
| 03:14.56 | gravity | If you mean the regression at any rate |
| 03:15.05 | b-_-d | CompWizrd i will read url pls |
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| 03:15.19 | Techdeck | how can I decrypt MD7 in debian? |
| 03:15.41 | deadcat_ | !md7 |
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| 03:16.03 | OrTigaS | ortigas@ja:/$ uname -r |
| 03:16.03 | OrTigaS | 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
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| 03:16.09 | OrTigaS | is that old? |
| 03:16.11 | Techdeck | deadcat_, any ideas? |
| 03:16.20 | nix | gravity do you know anything about evdev and how it sends mouse button presses to the X server? |
| 03:16.23 | Techdeck | OrTigaS, pretty old |
| 03:16.23 | OrTigaS | do i need to upgrade |
| 03:16.26 | CompWizrd | OrTigaS: once you wipe the dinosaur poop off it, it'll run just fine! |
| 03:16.36 | gravity | nix: Sorta a little bit |
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| 03:17.00 | OrTigaS | i'm new to linux and i'm running w/out gui... how can i upgrade? |
| 03:17.16 | five0 | Does anybody know what happened to nvidia-kernel-source in Etch? |
| 03:17.18 | nix | gravity: i have this 12 button mouse. standard buttons 1-7 work. i use xbindkeys to bind actions to the other 5 buttons. all is well. |
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| 03:18.26 | nix | gravity: however, if i hold and press right mouse button, and then press any of the 5 extra buttons, xbindkeys it doesn't register the buttonpress. xev will show that instead of xbindkeys reacting to the buttonpress, it behaves as if xbindkeys isnt running. the only difference in xev is that the 'state' value differs. |
| 03:18.28 | atrus | is there somewhere a list of mirrors with info on how often they're updated? looking for a reliable up-to-date i386 mirror, ideally in canada. |
| 03:18.44 | atrus | nix: mx1000 by any chance? |
| 03:18.48 | nix | bingo. |
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| 03:19.05 | navaburo | hello |
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| 03:19.13 | atrus | nix: got one almost 100% working here |
| 03:19.15 | navaburo | what is the "debian way" to suspend to disk? |
| 03:19.16 | gravity | nix: Wow... no idea there |
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| 03:19.29 | nix | i have tried several apps to map the extra buttons but it seems as if the apps do not register the buttonpress when it's combined with another button |
| 03:19.38 | gravity | nix: I know that the evdev X driver is getting a total rewrite now though |
| 03:19.46 | nix | ok. |
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| 03:20.00 | nix | 7.1? or can i grab cvs and compile for 6.9? |
| 03:20.06 | gravity | nix: It'll definitely ship with etch, but it's not in sid just yet |
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| 03:20.29 | gravity | nix: Uh... you definitely want 7.0 to make life easier. If this isn't a serious problem, I'd wait until your system normally goes to 7.0 |
| 03:20.38 | atrus | nix: the rewrite is not compatable with anything pre 7.1 apparantly. |
| 03:20.44 | nix | ok |
| 03:20.57 | gravity | atrus: Are you sure? It's not compatible with 7.0? |
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| 03:21.18 | gravity | I'm not sure what he changed though, I haven't been paying close enough attention |
| 03:21.30 | coywolf | in top,(1), the wchan is only 9 chars wide, how to expand it? |
| 03:21.40 | wum | is it easy to learn perl |
| 03:21.57 | atrus | gravity: not afaict. last time i tried xf86-input-evdev cvs with 7.0 it segfaulted all the time, and you said it was dependant on some post-7.0 cvs changes :) |
| 03:22.09 | gravity | wum: Easy to learn the basics, or at least I thought. It's a very hard language to master though because it's extremely complicated |
| 03:22.13 | gravity | wum: But it's also very powerful |
| 03:22.25 | gravity | atrus: Ok, I'm not so sure I was right |
| 03:22.30 | gravity | atrus: But it may well be. |
| 03:22.34 | dvst | hi everyone, I got a problem updating my system, the problems seems to be a key (gpg) that I don't had (not true) |
| 03:22.37 | gravity | I'd have to ask the author |
| 03:22.43 | navaburo | Does anyone use Suspend2? Or any suspend to disk method? |
| 03:22.48 | wum | gravity do you know a website for perl socket programming |
| 03:22.59 | gravity | wum: No, sorry |
| 03:23.14 | gravity | wum: Perl comes with a ton of manpages and such though. It's very well documented |
| 03:23.20 | atrus | gravity: wonder if i should be filing a bug against that then. |
| 03:23.27 | wum | oh yes that's true the man page |
| 03:23.29 | dvst | this one: http://pastebin.com/706769 |
| 03:23.29 | gravity | atrus: I dunno |
| 03:23.31 | wum | thanks ;) |
| 03:23.41 | gravity | wum: No problem. Good luck! |
| 03:23.43 | nix | atrus: so you recognise the problem i have? you have it as well? |
| 03:23.51 | wum | should i consider python? |
| 03:23.58 | gravity | wum: Sure |
| 03:24.10 | gravity | wum: Try them both. And ruby too. See what you like best. Use it. |
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| 03:24.13 | zachhale | sup |
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| 03:25.06 | five0 | anyone know why nvidia-kernel-source was removed from etch? Also, is there another way of getting direct rendering for an nvidia card with xorg? |
| 03:25.23 | dvst | I got the public key and also install debian-archive-keyring http://pastebin.com/706773 |
| 03:25.40 | atrus | nix: no, i don't have an issue like that. at least, i can hit right-mouse(3), appswitch(10), and release in opposite order, and get down(3), down(10), up(10), up(3) |
| 03:25.53 | atrus | nix: this is under 7.0 |
| 03:25.54 | dvst | I aptitude update && aptitude update and the warning remains |
| 03:25.57 | coywolf | in top,(1), the wchan is only 9 chars wide, how to expand it? |
| 03:26.10 | OrTigaS | how to upgrade my kernel? |
| 03:26.15 | atrus | nix: and according to xev, not any keybinding app. |
| 03:26.42 | dvst | can anyone help me? also read http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt but still the warning |
| 03:26.43 | gravity | OrTigaS: Install the latest kernel-image package for your architecture |
| 03:26.48 | nix | atrus: i can get that as well, but the thing is that the state differs when i hold button 3 pressed and then pushing 10 versus just pushing 10 |
| 03:27.14 | nix | atrus: the keybinding apps i tried (xbindkeys and lineakd) do not register the button 10 event if 3 is held |
| 03:28.09 | atrus | nix: personally i'd suspect that's an issue with the keybinding app. if xev works as expected, i don't imagine it could be X's fault |
| 03:28.34 | nix | xev picks it all up; if i run a keybind app and push 10 it works (it'll not show the buttonpress but the xbindkeys key i bound it to). if i hold 3, i'll see a buttonpress in xev and xkeybind does nothing. the same deal with lineakd. i s/ptraced the apps and they don't even get the input from X. |
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| 03:28.50 | dasunt | I'm playing with a sparcserver 1000 (yes, I know it is ancient). Since I'm missing a sparc terminal, I'm using a null modem cable and minicom. |
| 03:29.03 | OrTigaS | i'm new to linux and dont know what to do |
| 03:29.09 | dasunt | Does anyone know if the debian sparc install cds will install using this setup? |
| 03:29.20 | gravity | It could definitely be a kernel bug, since evdev is clearly a kernelspace thing at the core |
| 03:29.23 | OrTigaS | how install that lastest kernel-image |
| 03:29.24 | nix | atrus: i considered that, but nowhere is there any way to do anything with the state value xev returns |
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| 03:29.38 | dasunt | OrTigaS: Why do you want to install the latest kernel image? |
| 03:29.42 | Nafed | hey guys im looking to port a mate from win to nix and he`s gonna need easy access to both a gui and console.. i was thinking debian but ive never used a gui on it.. what do you guys suggest he use? |
| 03:29.49 | stephan__ | how do i install this fluxbox_0.9.15.1-1_i386.deb |
| 03:29.50 | atrus | nix: i'm afraid i don't understand that sentence |
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| 03:30.54 | nix | atrus: if you run xev it also shows a state. this is different if you hold down 3 and then push 10 versus just pushing button 10. it is this state value that is the only difference i can discover. and no keybinding software supports this state value as a modifier |
| 03:31.10 | gravity | Nafed: Um... if you're asking what gui environment on Debian... then I'd say gnome or KDE, whichever he prefers. If you're asking what distro he should use, I'd ask that in ##linux instead of here |
| 03:31.30 | OrTigaS | dasunt they say it old enough |
| 03:31.38 | nix | ive been up for a while so my mind is a bit clouded:) |
| 03:31.42 | dasunt | OrTigaS: What version is it? |
| 03:31.48 | OrTigaS | 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 03:32.00 | stephan__ | how do i install a .deb file i downloaded |
| 03:32.08 | gravity | stephan__: dpkg -i |
| 03:32.12 | dasunt | OrTigaS: If it has the security updates (debian does, if you are running updates), don't worry about it. |
| 03:32.14 | stephan__ | gravity, ty |
| 03:32.28 | dasunt | OrTigaS: Don't install a new kernel unless you have a reason to. |
| 03:32.59 | OrTigaS | dasunt okay... :) |
| 03:33.12 | OrTigaS | actually i'm new to linux world |
| 03:33.31 | gravity | we can tell :-) |
| 03:33.37 | dasunt | But make sure you are doing updates. I haven't looked at debian.org lately, but I think they are covered in whatever passes for the debian handbook. |
| 03:33.52 | Nafed | gravity, how goes gnome/kde run on debian? |
| 03:34.19 | gravity | Nafed: uh... what? |
| 03:34.35 | Nafed | does* |
| 03:34.36 | Nafed | sorry |
| 03:34.40 | gravity | Still don't parse |
| 03:34.50 | gravity | It uh... runs... good? |
| 03:34.58 | zachhale | is there a bash command for restarting the computer? :S i should know this |
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| 03:35.08 | gravity | zachhale: shutdown -r 0 |
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| 03:35.25 | nix | zachhale: 'reboot' |
| 03:35.27 | zachhale | gravity: thank you |
| 03:35.47 | dasunt | zachhale: 'shutdown -r now' also works. |
| 03:35.51 | CompWizrd | gravity: tell him "binary code" |
| 03:35.52 | CompWizrd | ;) |
| 03:36.10 | gravity | heh |
| 03:36.12 | dasunt | zachhale: You could also try living in the country during a thunderstorm. ;) |
| 03:36.18 | gravity | Seriously... I don't get the question. |
| 03:36.29 | zachhale | ... |
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| 03:36.58 | dasunt | Works well for restarting computers... |
| 03:37.05 | gravity | heh |
| 03:37.19 | CompWizrd | gravity: he wants to know about the glubenfrauber on the slolendextor. |
| 03:37.20 | atrus | nix: okay, i see. that's weird. |
| 03:37.21 | zachhale | i'll try that next time |
| 03:37.25 | zachhale | :P |
| 03:38.10 | atrus | nix: i seem to remember the metacity dev mentioning that that might be an X limitation for apps that consider the state value directly |
| 03:38.17 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 03:38.17 | dpkg | tetrinet is probably probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
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| 03:40.00 | johnconnor | Is there a debian help channel? |
| 03:40.47 | navaburo | johnconnor, why dont you join #schwartzeneger ? |
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| 03:41.13 | anibal | johnconnor, #debian |
| 03:41.27 | zachhale | johnconnor: this is it |
| 03:41.41 | johnconnor | Oh, thanks. |
| 03:42.11 | johnconnor | I need help getting sound to work on my ThinkPad. Any takers? |
| 03:42.29 | CompWizrd | model? |
| 03:42.35 | johnconnor | T21 |
| 03:42.37 | CompWizrd | oooh |
| 03:42.43 | CompWizrd | <- t23 |
| 03:43.13 | johnconnor | Cool - We're like brothers. |
| 03:43.18 | CompWizrd | The ThinkPad uses the cs461x driver available as OSS and Alsa driver. |
| 03:43.43 | johnconnor | Okay - That sounds familiar to my Google searches. |
| 03:43.45 | CompWizrd | alas, i'm mostly deaf and don't use sound much in linux |
| 03:44.07 | johnconnor | Oh, my. |
| 03:44.22 | CompWizrd | but some cs something modprobing would do the job.. i don't remember how (or if) i got it going on the t23, which uses a different cs card |
| 03:44.35 | navaburo | johnconnor, make sure your user is a member of the audio group ;) i messed that up |
| 03:44.48 | johnconnor | Yeah, that's weird. |
| 03:44.49 | CompWizrd | yeah, how about a trouble report saying what does and doesn't work :) |
| 03:44.55 | johnconnor | I have to add to group audio? |
| 03:45.36 | navaburo | johnconnor, nano /etc/group |
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| 03:46.13 | navaburo | johnconnor, a line should read audio:x:#:username |
| 03:46.34 | johnconnor | audio:x:29:john |
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| 03:46.44 | johnconnor | That looks good then. |
| 03:46.50 | navaburo | johnconnor, yea fine. |
| 03:46.53 | zachhale | okay, so i just installed debian, and installed xserver-xorg and added a little higher resolution to the xorg.conf and now when i reboot i get a blank black screen |
| 03:46.57 | zachhale | any ideas? |
| 03:47.02 | schue_ | dang it. does anyone have an ATI laptop? |
| 03:47.14 | schue_ | ATI graphics card, that is... |
| 03:47.21 | navaburo | zachhale, why xorg ? |
| 03:47.31 | zachhale | why not? i was told xorg is the way to go |
| 03:47.31 | schue_ | fglrx just gives me a blank screen. |
| 03:47.36 | schue_ | i can't figure it out. |
| 03:47.46 | zachhale | i also have an ATI card |
| 03:47.58 | schue_ | zachhale: you running 7.0? |
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| 03:48.07 | zachhale | 6.9 |
| 03:48.08 | navaburo | zachhale, i "upgraded" but have since returned to XFree because i wanted accelerated OpenGl. |
| 03:48.21 | schue_ | hrmm. 7.0 is supported, supposedly. |
| 03:48.23 | navaburo | zachhale, oh. xorg prolly has better (cutting edge) ATI support |
| 03:48.33 | johnconnor | CompWizrd - No sound will work at all except system beeps on boot up / shut down. During boot up it says, "Setting up ALSA... done (not loaded)". |
| 03:48.36 | schue_ | zachhale: you running the non-free driver? |
| 03:48.54 | schue_ | free driver comes up for me... but i want the gl action for blender. |
| 03:48.56 | zachhale | i did not install any extra drivers |
| 03:49.04 | zachhale | i was trying the 'ati' driver |
| 03:49.05 | zachhale | for now |
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| 03:50.04 | navaburo | zachhale, i would set your resolution back down to whatever works and install the commercial driver (if possible) |
| 03:50.20 | zachhale | navaburo: yeah, looks like that's the only next step |
| 03:50.45 | navaburo | zachhale, at least my nvidia chip runs MUCH better with the commercial driver, even when I am not using 3d acceleration |
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| 03:51.16 | zachhale | i have to install the ATI drivers anyways so i can do dual monitors with my dual-headed card |
| 03:51.37 | navaburo | zachhale, just be prepared to switch back to XFree86 if need be, or setup two startx scripts |
| 03:51.55 | zachhale | navaburo: why would i need to switch back? |
| 03:52.29 | navaburo | zachhale, if you still run into trouble with the commercial driver give the stable XFree version a try again |
| 03:52.40 | zachhale | ah okay |
| 03:52.48 | zachhale | so is that just xserver-xfree? |
| 03:52.52 | zachhale | or xserver-xfree86? |
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| 03:53.37 | navaburo | xserver-xfree86 should be it |
| 03:53.52 | navaburo | not sure though ;) |
| 03:53.53 | zachhale | ok |
| 03:53.54 | zachhale | heh |
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| 03:54.25 | navaburo | are you on sarge? |
| 03:54.32 | zachhale | yeah, 3.1r0a |
| 03:55.39 | navaburo | ok. gnite, goodluck |
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| 03:56.15 | _rares_ | anyone have gnucash-common_1.9.3-1_all.deb? |
| 03:56.49 | streuner | _rares_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 03:57.04 | streuner | !info gnucash |
| 03:57.08 | dpkg | gnucash: (A personal finance tracking program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.8.12-8 (sid), Packaged size: 1288 kB, Installed size: 3808 kB |
| 03:57.17 | streuner | oh :-) |
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| 03:57.33 | lupo | hola |
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| 03:58.09 | lupo | ahi gente |
| 03:58.09 | streuner | _rares_: so want a future package? just wait :-) |
| 03:58.44 | lupo | alguien en Español |
| 03:58.52 | streuner | !es |
| 03:58.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:01.24 | sparr | I am using x11vnc on my server and the tightvnc windows vncviewer.exe on my client. It worked yesterday. Nothing has touched my server since then. Today the mouse does not work, I can see the local mouse cursor but the remote cursor stays in one spot and clicks dont go through. Help? |
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| 04:02.30 | po0k | is it safe to install game (.deb file) that aint from packages.debian.org ? |
| 04:02.50 | streuner | no |
| 04:03.04 | po0k | why |
| 04:03.06 | seek | i have dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and changed my video driver to s3virge and also tried vesa and still it stays at 640X480 resolution |
| 04:03.07 | gravity | po0k: It's not not safe |
| 04:03.41 | po0k | what about games from http://linuxgames.com/? |
| 04:03.46 | atrus | po0k: only if you trust the source. a malicious .deb file could do basically anything to your system. |
| 04:04.20 | po0k | i see |
| 04:04.24 | b-_-d | po0k try tremulous best free game out |
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| 04:04.49 | po0k | i need game something similar to starcraft |
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| 04:04.52 | po0k | a* |
| 04:04.55 | zachhale | how do you re-enable xfree86 after xorg was default |
| 04:05.14 | b-_-d | http://tremulous.net/ |
| 04:05.32 | gravity | zachhale: You reinstall all the xfree86 packages |
| 04:05.32 | b-_-d | starcraft rocked |
| 04:05.45 | po0k | b-_-d: what's the system requirements? |
| 04:06.03 | b-_-d | p200 |
| 04:06.07 | seek | anyone had success with s3 video cards? |
| 04:06.12 | po0k | i see |
| 04:06.16 | b-_-d | will run |
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| 04:08.19 | gravity | oh... tremulous is like that quake mod that came out a few years ago |
| 04:08.48 | po0k | gravity: is that game legit, i mean, no nothing bout malicius stuff? |
| 04:09.18 | gravity | po0k: Got me |
| 04:09.36 | gravity | po0k: I doubt you have to worry though... if you're really worried you can go through the code yourself. It's all there. |
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| 04:10.08 | po0k | so you got that game? |
| 04:10.21 | gravity | po0k: No I just looked at the screenshots |
| 04:10.30 | gravity | I sadly don't have much time to play games on the computer these days |
| 04:10.42 | gravity | Although I do get gamecube time in with my girl a few hours a week |
| 04:11.10 | po0k | 00:10:35 (621.02 KB/s) - `tremulous-1.1.0-installer.x86.run' saved [106220503/106220503] |
| 04:11.36 | gravity | I wonder if anyone has ITP'ed that yet... istr yes... |
| 04:11.48 | po0k | what is ITP? |
| 04:12.23 | b-_-d | ITP or ipt |
| 04:12.29 | gravity | po0k: Intend To Package. When someone wants to package and maintain a piece of software for Debian, they send out an ITP, which really just a formal email telling people about it |
| 04:12.37 | gravity | And yes, someone did on April 19th |
| 04:12.42 | gravity | So it'll be in Debian at some point |
| 04:12.48 | po0k | i see |
| 04:12.50 | dserban | What can I check to see why glxinfo|grep direct returns a no for me? (direct rendering... ie 3d disabled)..? |
| 04:12.58 | po0k | so itll be a package later soon? |
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| 04:13.07 | b-_-d | tremulous is in debian tree? |
| 04:13.10 | gravity | po0k: At some point, although I have no idea when |
| 04:13.20 | gravity | po0k: It totally depends on the person doing the packaging |
| 04:13.29 | po0k | oh i see |
| 04:13.59 | po0k | b-_-d: help me install this |
| 04:14.00 | po0k | lol |
| 04:14.04 | gravity | dserban: Look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or Xorg.0.log) |
| 04:14.12 | billdoe | hey, anyone here working on debian based live cds? |
| 04:14.28 | gravity | dserban: Also, you can check the debugging info for DRI. I don't remember the exact env variable to set, but it's on the web or in the DRI wiki |
| 04:14.32 | b-_-d | po0k just run script :) |
| 04:14.38 | b-_-d | easy |
| 04:15.09 | b-_-d | not like installing linux on a toaster |
| 04:15.27 | dserban | gravity, the log ... doesn't even pop up any warnings... it's clean :) |
| 04:15.32 | po0k | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so", |
| 04:15.35 | po0k | what is this... |
| 04:15.39 | streuner | billdoe: try #debian-boot, #ubuntu or #knoppix |
| 04:15.54 | dserban | well in reading stuff on the net I commented out #load dri since apparently that conflicts with the nvidia binary |
| 04:15.59 | po0k | oh dang, i like their installer |
| 04:16.16 | gravity | dserban: Ah... well if you're running the proprietary nvidia drivers they don't use DRI. They've got their own deal. |
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| 04:16.25 | gravity | feh |
| 04:16.32 | gravity | So much for dispensing pearls of wisdom |
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| 04:18.07 | dserban | meh meh meh this sucks |
| 04:18.48 | po0k | b-_-d: ok, i got it installed, i see files in ~/tremulous |
| 04:18.55 | po0k | where's the actual file? |
| 04:19.03 | gravity | dserban: Ah... well if you're running the proprietary nvidia drivers they don't use DRI. They've got their own deal. |
| 04:19.09 | po0k | base CC ChangeLog COPYING GPL manual.pdf tremulous.x86 tremulous.xpm uninstall |
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| 04:19.13 | po0k | that's all i see |
| 04:19.21 | gravity | dserban: So you won't see it say yes for direct rendering. Especially if you tell it not to even load the dri module. |
| 04:19.34 | dserban | gravity, heh yeah otherwise I would've stuck with my geforce 2 and not a 7900gtx |
| 04:19.41 | PayphoneEd | What is the minimal requirements? I'd like to use Debian on an old i586 laptop with 80MB RAM and 1450MB HDD |
| 04:19.45 | dserban | hrrrm |
| 04:19.53 | b-_-d | po0k it ask during install i put mine in opt |
| 04:19.56 | gravity | dserban: As for why your nvidia drivers don't work, I have no idea. That's not my department. |
| 04:19.58 | PayphoneEd | DSL installed and works on it fine but I'm more of a DIY person |
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| 04:20.14 | dserban | gravity, thanks anyway |
| 04:20.18 | PayphoneEd | I'd rather start a fresh install and pick what I want from the beginning |
| 04:20.21 | streuner | PayphoneEd: Don't use GNOME or KDE then |
| 04:20.23 | po0k | what's the filename for actual game |
| 04:20.35 | PayphoneEd | streuner: I wouldn't use those on a modern system |
| 04:20.39 | PayphoneEd | Let alone this one |
| 04:21.07 | po0k | b-_-d: ? |
| 04:21.11 | PayphoneEd | I'm not on it now, BTW |
| 04:21.16 | billdoe | I have been asking this question in a few other channels, I know that knoppix patches it kernel to allow for more startup args to be passed... does anyone know if debian's net install cds patch the kernel? |
| 04:21.25 | PayphoneEd | It's next to me just kind of doing nothing |
| 04:21.55 | b-_-d | po0k the game asked me where to install it self |
| 04:22.07 | free_knowledge | someone can recomend to me one good grafic cd burner to debian linux? to burn cds\dvds from isos ? |
| 04:22.13 | po0k | yeah, mine did too |
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| 04:22.30 | po0k | but what's filename, how do you start the game? |
| 04:22.32 | gravity | free_knowledge: I like graveman on gnome, or k3b if you use kde |
| 04:22.39 | po0k | files are in ~/tremulous |
| 04:22.53 | PayphoneEd | gravity: You can use either on any with the proper libraries |
| 04:22.58 | b-_-d | ok cool |
| 04:22.59 | free_knowledge | gravity ok very thanks :p |
| 04:23.06 | gravity | PayphoneEd: I know |
| 04:23.15 | b-_-d | ~/tremulous = /home/tremulous |
| 04:23.16 | gravity | PayphoneEd: But it's nice to have your app integrate well with your other apps |
| 04:23.22 | po0k | b-_-d: how do you start the game? |
| 04:23.34 | b-_-d | open xterm |
| 04:23.37 | PayphoneEd | That makes no sense |
| 04:23.40 | b-_-d | tremulous |
| 04:23.40 | po0k | its open |
| 04:23.42 | gravity | er... |
| 04:23.45 | PayphoneEd | It works just fine in other WMs |
| 04:23.53 | po0k | bash: tremulous: command not found |
| 04:23.55 | gravity | PayphoneEd: Yes, but your themes don't match |
| 04:24.02 | b-_-d | type path/tremulous |
| 04:24.06 | PayphoneEd | Themes are for Windows users |
| 04:24.13 | gravity | PayphoneEd: And the keyboard shortcuts don't carry over because the two projects have different UI guidelines |
| 04:24.20 | b-_-d | PayphoneEd :( |
| 04:24.23 | gravity | PayphoneEd: And people with a sense of aesthetic, which you clearly lack |
| 04:24.28 | PayphoneEd | I hate flashy GUIs, if I wanted flash I'd buy a copy of Vista |
| 04:24.32 | po0k | /tremulous: is a directory |
| 04:24.49 | b-_-d | po0k look in dir |
| 04:24.54 | po0k | im there |
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| 04:24.55 | gravity | PayphoneEd: There's a difference between flashy and pleasant to look at |
| 04:24.58 | PayphoneEd | gravity: I'm an engineer, one of my strictest mottos is Function > Form |
| 04:25.01 | billdoe | has anyone ever setup a debian package repository? |
| 04:25.08 | b-_-d | ls --color po0k look in dir |
| 04:25.10 | PayphoneEd | Who cares what it looks like if it works well |
| 04:25.17 | b-_-d | will be green |
| 04:25.31 | PayphoneEd | I do most tasks from the CLI anyway |
| 04:25.32 | po0k | tremulous.x86 ? |
| 04:25.34 | gravity | Wow... this is the most useless discussion I've ever seen |
| 04:25.51 | PayphoneEd | gravity: Why, because you can't refute my point? |
| 04:25.53 | streuner | well, but interesting |
| 04:25.56 | b-_-d | po0k is tremulous.x86 green? |
| 04:25.57 | gravity | PayphoneEd: Because you're an idiot |
| 04:26.00 | po0k | yes |
| 04:26.04 | streuner | haha |
| 04:26.18 | PayphoneEd | gravity: Congratulations, you lose the argument. |
| 04:26.24 | b-_-d | i had to build from src i wanted amd64 version |
| 04:26.41 | gravity | PayphoneEd: It's not an argument. You're clearly not even listening. |
| 04:26.49 | PayphoneEd | Even I don't degrade to name calling that quickly. |
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| 04:28.37 | b-_-d | later going to play one game b4 i sleep |
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| 04:29.09 | PayphoneEd | streuner: Thanks for sort of answering my question, BTW |
| 04:29.34 | PayphoneEd | Even though I already knew that |
| 04:29.36 | PayphoneEd | lol |
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| 04:30.35 | gravity | I can imagine his home... it's probably got nothing on the walls, no frills, and no woman has ever visited |
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| 04:35.29 | OrTigaS | anyone can give a url or place to create email webserver that can easily follow for newbie like me? |
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| 04:38.35 | Whistleboy | anyone know what "kdm_greet, can't open default user face" means? |
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| 04:49.52 | streuner | Whistleboy: try #debian-kde |
| 04:50.38 | streuner | OrTigaS: what's a "email webserver"? |
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| 04:51.11 | streuner | OrTigaS: something like that? http://ilohamail.org/main.php?page=ScreenShots |
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| 04:54.01 | OrTigaS | let me check |
| 04:54.43 | OrTigaS | hmmm |
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| 04:59.12 | sandman | I'm sitting behind a router, and my IP address is 192.168.1.112, but ifconfig displays something different. I think it's displaying the IP address for the router's internet interface |
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| 05:02.56 | trave11er | hi, anybody knows which program/daemon is responsible for bringing up the network interfaces after resume? |
| 05:03.05 | trave11er | neither acpid nor hibernate is installed |
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| 05:04.20 | sciboy | I'm going to have a fun time tonight. |
| 05:04.55 | sciboy | A friend of mine has a computer he can't fix and wants to get a new one anyway, so i am trying to figure out what's causing the screen to remain dead. |
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| 05:05.08 | sciboy | It isn't the video card, cause we tested 3 different ones on it. |
| 05:05.21 | zachhale | alright, i have some questions about multiple displays on linux |
| 05:05.26 | sciboy | And he says it died when he pulled a usb device out of the plug on the back. |
| 05:05.32 | zachhale | i see this thing called xinerama but i dont know if it's for me |
| 05:06.00 | Dwonis | zachhale: if you want to be able to drag windows from one screen to another, then you want Xinerama |
| 05:06.06 | zachhale | okay |
| 05:06.34 | sciboy | Dwonis, Huh? I'm pretty sure i got it disabled on my machine and it still allows me to drag from one to another. |
| 05:06.36 | zachhale | so to get my dual displays (off of one ATI radeon card) i will need ati drivers, xserver configured properly, and xinerama? |
| 05:06.47 | sciboy | Oh, ATI. XD |
| 05:06.57 | sciboy | Nvm. |
| 05:07.05 | zachhale | can anyone help with this? |
| 05:07.10 | Dwonis | sciboy: huh? |
| 05:07.28 | Dwonis | sciboy: "xdpyinfo | grep XINERAMA" |
| 05:07.35 | sciboy | Dwonis, I'm using Nvidia and i got Dual-screens no problem without Xinerama. |
| 05:07.51 | sciboy | Dwonis, Sorry, currently dual booted into windows. |
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| 05:08.05 | zachhale | sciboy: what were the steps you took to do that? |
| 05:08.28 | sciboy | Dwonis, But i recall specifically setting Xinerama to disabled because of compatibility issues. |
| 05:09.00 | Dwonis | sciboy: Xinerama is what X uses to treat multiple screens as a single screen. It's possible that nVidia has some alternative approach, but then doesn't that mess up Xinerama-aware apps? |
| 05:10.03 | zachhale | somewhat related question: how do i look up my xfree86 version? |
| 05:10.20 | sciboy | Dwonis, Haven't run into issues yet. |
| 05:10.21 | gravity | zachhale: X -version |
| 05:10.35 | sciboy | Dwonis, Except one game liking to be split right down the middle at fullscreen. |
| 05:11.20 | sciboy | Dwonis, With Nvidia we got TwinView. |
| 05:11.35 | Dwonis | sciboy: well, for example, if I use WindowMaker (or Gnome, or probably KDE), and I "maximize" a window, it only enlarges to cover the current screen, rather than the _entire_ framebuffer. |
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| 05:11.59 | Dwonis | sciboy: ah... I bet nVidia does it a different way... yet again |
| 05:12.39 | sciboy | Dwonis, My window manager still handles maximisation to the monitor the application is located on. |
| 05:13.12 | Dwonis | sciboy: ok, my guess is that your X server still exposes the XINERAMA extension to clients, even though it uses its own driver-specific mechanism internally |
| 05:13.22 | sciboy | Dwonis, Oh, that reminds me, yeah some applications handle it differently, some maximise to one, others maximise to both. |
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| 05:13.45 | sciboy | Dwonis, Probably. =P |
| 05:13.51 | Dwonis | sciboy: that's true for me as well... some apps/WMs aren't xinerama-aware |
| 05:14.15 | sciboy | Dwonis, But with a window manager, it just means having to size the window yourself. |
| 05:14.49 | Dwonis | sciboy: yeah. I never use "maximize" anyway. I just use alt+mouse buttons to resize and move my windows |
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| 05:14.59 | halux | hi all, should x11-common really conflict with xfs ? |
| 05:15.12 | sciboy | Do you need XFS? |
| 05:15.13 | Dwonis | Isn't xfs obsolete now? |
| 05:15.14 | gravity | halux: Yes, xfs needs an update |
| 05:15.44 | halux | so there is no xfs for X and font paths have to be set manually again in xorg.conf ? |
| 05:15.49 | sciboy | Dwonis, So, i got this kick ass computer if i can fix it. |
| 05:16.09 | sciboy | halux, Manually? Worked out of the box for me. |
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| 05:16.38 | halux | sciboy: I had no fonts in my config for some time now |
| 05:17.07 | halux | I am a little confused, sounds like a step backward, I don't know the idea behind removind a central server for getting fonts, even if I never used xfs in a network |
| 05:17.24 | sciboy | halux, rename the config then, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xfree86 or xorg) and copy the relevant changes to your own. |
| 05:17.35 | Dwonis | gravity: that Conflicts list must have been fun to come up with ;) |
| 05:17.43 | gravity | Dwonis: Yeah, I didn't do most of that |
| 05:18.10 | halux | yeah, I think I will get it working, but why removing a nice central font server with a per-dir configuration in the xserver ? |
| 05:18.27 | sciboy | Dwonis, What else would affect the screen on the hardware side if it isn't the video card? |
| 05:18.45 | sciboy | Dwonis, Worst case scenario it has a damaged motherboard.\ |
| 05:18.48 | po0k | ok, let's say some of my ports are open, how do i know which process is using that port? |
| 05:19.01 | rzerbe | sciboy: mb or bios |
| 05:19.22 | Dwonis | sciboy: monitor, video cable |
| 05:19.32 | Dwonis | sciboy: overheating |
| 05:19.38 | sciboy | Dwonis, We tested it at work, that isn't a consideration. |
| 05:19.39 | Dwonis | sciboy: ESD damage |
| 05:19.46 | sciboy | Dwonis, The fan on this thing is running nicely. |
| 05:19.50 | sciboy | Dwonis, ESD? |
| 05:19.55 | Dwonis | sciboy: I think I missed your original question |
| 05:20.03 | Dwonis | sciboy: electrostatic discharge |
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| 05:20.05 | rzerbe | static |
| 05:20.24 | sciboy | Dwonis, He pulled out a usb cable and now there isn't any video output. |
| 05:20.36 | halux | And I just learned how to use xfs for lpic-1, LOL |
| 05:20.47 | sciboy | Dwonis, We've tried with lots of different video cards and monitors. |
| 05:20.49 | gravity | halux: It'll be back. It's temporary |
| 05:20.57 | gravity | halux: Read: A Bug. Welcome to unstable. |
| 05:21.09 | sciboy | Dwonis, Computer still runs fine, if all else fails it'll be good for rendering. =) |
| 05:21.35 | Dwonis | sciboy: is your AGP/PCI/PCIe slot broken/corroded/clogged? |
| 05:21.37 | sciboy | Dwonis, Actually, any recommendations for diagnosis tools i can run via VNC or SSH? =P |
| 05:21.48 | sciboy | Dwonis, Not sure, haven't taken that close a look. |
| 05:21.55 | halux | gravity: no problem than, running unstable since some time. Very stable for me. Just thought xfs is removed forevery and was a little confused about no replacement |
| 05:22.02 | Dwonis | sciboy: no clue |
| 05:22.22 | Dwonis | sciboy: but the "unplugged USB and now it doesn't work" sounds like real damage to me |
| 05:22.35 | gravity | halux: No, it has to do with the shift to FHS compliance. |
| 05:22.45 | rzerbe | sciboy: have you ssh'd and looked into /proc ? |
| 05:22.47 | halux | Ah, thanks |
| 05:22.49 | sciboy | Dwonis, I'll be checking the module is secured onto the motherboard. |
| 05:22.56 | sciboy | rzerbe, Haven't taken it home yet. |
| 05:23.08 | sciboy | rzerbe, Oh, and recommendation for a LiveCD? =P |
| 05:23.26 | Dwonis | sciboy: lspci should tell you whether the machine sees the card or not |
| 05:23.41 | po0k | ok, let's say some of my ports are open,, for example 1111 and 222, how do i know which process is using that port? |
| 05:23.57 | sciboy | Dwonis, Live CD recommendation? |
| 05:23.58 | rzerbe | sciboy: not really, i have just knoppix for emergencies |
| 05:24.25 | Dwonis | sciboy: hmm... one that you're familiar with the boot process of |
| 05:24.30 | Dwonis | sciboy: so you can type blind :) |
| 05:24.34 | trave11er | po0k: lsof or netstat should be able to tell you |
| 05:24.53 | Dwonis | po0k: I usually use lsof -i :1111 (as root) |
| 05:24.54 | sciboy | Dwonis, Type blind? SSH for the win. =D |
| 05:25.16 | gravity | halux: Hrm... wait a second... |
| 05:25.18 | Dwonis | sciboy: well, if you know of a live CD that has SSH running by default... |
| 05:25.27 | halux | sure |
| 05:25.31 | Dwonis | sciboy: I suppose you could make one via http://live.debian.net/ or somesuch |
| 05:25.31 | gravity | halux: What version of xfs do you have installed? Or available? |
| 05:25.51 | halux | 1.0.1-5 |
| 05:25.59 | gravity | halux: And that conflicts with x11-common? |
| 05:26.23 | halux | no, but the 6.9 to 7.0 says so |
| 05:26.48 | halux | I thought they don't conflict against, but won't work anyway. Haven't actually tried it |
| 05:26.54 | gravity | halux: Right, so the new x11-common conflicts with the old xfs. Not the new one. Basically you just need an upgrade |
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| 05:27.21 | halux | ah, so I will add my xfs line back to the xorg.conf |
| 05:27.21 | Dwonis | x11-common 1:7.0.17 Conflicts: xfs (<= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6), xfs-xtt (<= 1:1.4.1.xf430-6) |
| 05:27.26 | sciboy | Dwonis, If all else, i got a spare hard drive i can chuck in there. |
| 05:28.12 | gravity | The versioned conflict is there for a reason |
| 05:29.05 | halux | ok, so everything should be fine here, I have xfs and x11-common installed now |
| 05:29.18 | gravity | Hey, like magic it works |
| 05:29.30 | sciboy | Dwonis, I'll need some assistance later on though, i've been using a laptop for a long time and well, i'd be lost if there is any significant hardware changes they made i'm not knowledgable about. |
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| 05:29.46 | Dwonis | sciboy: I probably won't be here |
| 05:30.09 | sciboy | Dwonis, I know, just jabbering on. |
| 05:31.12 | zachhale | waht is the ATI overlay? it asks which screen i want that on? |
| 05:31.18 | unstable | How many months before sarge was released was it frozen? |
| 05:31.25 | unstable | Anyone know off the top of their head |
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| 05:31.48 | streuner | unstable: not that long |
| 05:31.57 | Dwonis | zachhale: the video overlay is used for when you're playing a video (e.g. a DVD) |
| 05:31.59 | streuner | unstable: maybe a 2 weeks or 3 |
| 05:32.00 | unstable | streuner: 3 months? |
| 05:32.00 | rzerbe | ask woody |
| 05:32.04 | streuner | nah |
| 05:32.07 | unstable | streuner: ok, thanks |
| 05:32.20 | Dwonis | zachhale: it typically has stuff like hardware scaling, so you can make it fullscreen without eating up more CPU time |
| 05:32.30 | streuner | it goes pretty fast after it was frozen |
| 05:32.55 | streuner | s/goes/went/ |
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| 05:34.42 | streuner | unstable: just check out ML's, debian-devel-announce or such should be a good place to look for |
| 05:35.06 | zachhale | so i'm looking at the --dtop=horizontal command when setting up my video card, it says dtop will set up big desktop, do i want that? waht does that doe? |
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| 05:35.51 | FabParma | how to bandwidth shaping clients in a lan? |
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| 05:35.59 | Dwonis | egad, watching the MS installer do its work is like watching the Pitch Drop Experiment |
| 05:36.12 | Dwonis | except the latter at least has some scientific purpose |
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| 05:36.46 | Gary | what? |
| 05:36.52 | Dwonis | of course: "Time remaining: 0 seconds" |
| 05:37.02 | shogunx | Dwonis the beast is upon you. pull at power plugs until it dies. |
| 05:37.20 | Dwonis | shogunx: it's vmware, so if I do that, I'll lose my IRC connection |
| 05:38.07 | rzerbe | heh..this color bleeding at 15bit in x, make ya go blind... |
| 05:38.12 | IceGuest_5 | I'm new here, and new to debian. I've looked for this answer but can't seem to find it, soo with much trepidation: what is the default username/password for the live CD? |
| 05:38.25 | gravity | What live CD? |
| 05:38.35 | Dwonis | Now I remember why I was so keen on spending countless hours learning how to switch everything I did over to Linux... and that was when Netscape 4 was the best browser we had |
| 05:38.49 | gravity | Dwonis: That sounds familiar :-) |
| 05:39.25 | Dwonis | It's said "Time remaining: 0 seconds" for at least the last 10 minutes now... possibly 20 |
| 05:40.01 | IceGuest_5 | ... staring at the gnome screen after booting from this iso: debian-live-sid-i386-gnome.iso |
| 05:40.28 | Dwonis | IceGuest_5: oh... Is that one from http://live.debian.net/ ? |
| 05:40.33 | zachhale | is there a command to restart x-server? |
| 05:40.36 | rzerbe | try root and hit enter |
| 05:40.46 | IceGuest_5 | must be lol -- I should prolly check there first. |
| 05:40.47 | gravity | zachhale: Just use ctrl-backspace-delete |
| 05:40.51 | rzerbe | most are blank on live cd's |
| 05:40.54 | Dwonis | IceGuest_5: I think the username is "debian", with no password, or the password it also "debian" or something |
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| 05:40.56 | gravity | zachhale: If you're not running a *dm then run startx again |
| 05:41.20 | IceGuest_5 | root + enter and blank and guest guest and root root all seem to not work. |
| 05:41.23 | Dwonis | gravity: ctrl-backspace-delete? |
| 05:41.27 | zachhale | yeah |
| 05:41.32 | zachhale | do you mean ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 05:41.42 | Tehbio | Erm. |
| 05:42.02 | Dwonis | gravity: or is that your new root backdoor command? |
| 05:42.13 | rzerbe | heh |
| 05:42.25 | Tehbio | I'm trying to add the key as the dpkg is telling me, after I run the gpg --export my shell becomes all crazy text. |
| 05:42.40 | gravity | er... ctrl-alt-backspace :-) |
| 05:42.50 | zachhale | w00000t dual screens!!! :D |
| 05:43.01 | astronut | zachhale: nice, aren't they? |
| 05:43.07 | astronut | i have 2 17" LCD's |
| 05:43.09 | zachhale | oh hell yes |
| 05:43.12 | rzerbe | congrats |
| 05:43.13 | simonrvn | gravity: ni' ni' |
| 05:43.14 | zachhale | i have two 19" flat crt's |
| 05:43.15 | Dwonis | Tehbio: I don't know what gpg --export you're talking about, but type "reset" and hit enter to fix the text |
| 05:43.25 | astronut | zachhale: talk about a lot of wasted space |
| 05:43.28 | Dwonis | simonrvn: NO! Stop it! |
| 05:43.29 | zachhale | :) |
| 05:43.34 | astronut | i have a friend who used to have 3x 19" LCD for his work |
| 05:43.41 | zachhale | astronut: http://get.z122.com/newdesk |
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| 05:43.50 | simonrvn | Dwonis: eh? |
| 05:44.06 | Dwonis | simonrvn: not the Knights Who Say 'Ni!'! |
| 05:44.10 | Tehbio | Dwonis: I'm trying to add the 2006 key, I'm following what /msg dpkg key tells me but after I run the export it becomes all jumbled, if I move on to the next step it stalls forever so I don't know if I'm getting an error or not. |
| 05:44.16 | jimvon | after installing abiword, i notice that there is no dictionary. is there a separate package for it? |
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| 05:44.34 | simonrvn | Dwonis: oh, hehe :) |
| 05:45.10 | Dwonis | Tehbio: You're not doing what it says, then... notice the "| sudo apt-key add -" |
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| 05:45.23 | astronut | is that an antec case in the 2nd one? |
| 05:45.29 | zachhale | astronut: yes |
| 05:45.31 | Dwonis | Tehbio: | is not the same as l; |
| 05:45.32 | Dwonis | Tehbio: | is not the same as ; |
| 05:45.37 | zachhale | astronut: antec P180 with 1TB of storage in it |
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| 05:45.50 | astronut | ooh, i want it |
| 05:45.53 | zachhale | :) |
| 05:46.07 | astronut | dang, how many boxes are there there? |
| 05:46.09 | astronut | i have 2 |
| 05:46.11 | sep | Dwonis, Ekky ekky ekky ekky-z'Bang zoom-Boing zz'nourrrrwringmmmmm ?? |
| 05:46.15 | zachhale | i have 3 boxes, 1 powerbook |
| 05:46.17 | astronut | should have a third (laptop), but lenovo is fucking me over |
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| 05:46.26 | Tehbio | Dwonis: Yeah, I'm running the commands step by step (after exporting I su to root and run 'apt-key add -' because my sudo doesn't work). |
| 05:46.33 | astronut | this laptop better be worth it |
| 05:46.36 | Tehbio | Dwonis: Then it just stalls there forever. |
| 05:46.38 | rzerbe | ?powerbook???? |
| 05:46.42 | jimvon | no one here uses abiword? |
| 05:46.51 | astronut | jimvon: i do sometimes, why? |
| 05:46.58 | jimvon | after installing abiword, i notice that there is no dictionary. is there a separate package for it? |
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| 05:47.20 | astronut | jimvon: yes, look at the suggested/recommended packages for abiword |
| 05:47.23 | zachhale | rzerbe: yes. |
| 05:47.25 | Dwonis | Tehbio: Read what I say very carefully: | is not the same as ;. You cannot split commands with | in them the way you're doing so. |
| 05:47.42 | Dwonis | Tehbio: | creates a pipe. You need that pipe. |
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| 05:47.53 | Tehbio | Dwonis: Well then is it possible without sudo? |
| 05:48.18 | jimvon | astronut: you mean like aspell? i have downloaded it and extracted american.hash to the dict dir but no help. |
| 05:48.21 | shogunx | zachhale how did you get console output on the second display? |
| 05:48.31 | astronut | jimvon: just apt-get install it |
| 05:48.35 | Tehbio | Dwonis; Or perhaps an easier question, how do I add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 05:49.12 | zachhale | shogunx: that was while it was installing, it was just mirroring to both displays hooked up to the one ATI card |
| 05:49.16 | jimvon | astronut: apt-get install aspell? |
| 05:49.17 | Dwonis | tf=$(tempfile) ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F > "$tf" ; su -c "apt-key add - < $tf" |
| 05:49.18 | simonrvn | Dwonis: how's it going eh? |
| 05:49.27 | shogunx | ahh. |
| 05:49.31 | dvsdude | does anyone know if there are any debian guides to xfce4 with compiz/xgl for etch testing? |
| 05:50.05 | shogunx | gravity what happened to the xfs-ttf package? |
| 05:50.06 | karsten | dvsdude: ?? |
| 05:50.13 | Dwonis | Tehbio: run visudo, and add a line "yourusername ALL=(root) ALL" |
| 05:50.17 | sid | dvsdude: etch doesn't use xorg 7 |
| 05:50.26 | gravity | shogunx: To be honest, I don't recall |
| 05:50.34 | simonrvn | @info xserver-xorg etch |
| 05:50.46 | Tehbio | Dwonis: Thank you, for both. |
| 05:50.54 | sid | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 05:50.54 | astronut | simonrvn: xserver-xorg isn't in use anymore except as a transitional package |
| 05:51.00 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 05:51.03 | ravenbird | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5326 kB, Installed size: 14696 kB |
| 05:51.04 | gravity | astronut: 100% untrue |
| 05:51.16 | Dwonis | simonrvn: not too bad. I'm poking around for some freelance programming work. This has lead me to install MSVC++.NET again, mainly to get access to some weird cell phone emultor thing, which will hopefully make my some money. |
| 05:51.16 | astronut | gravity: oh? thought that was what i read |
| 05:51.20 | astronut | maybe it was anothe rpackage tha twas removed today |
| 05:51.21 | astronut | my bad |
| 05:51.22 | gravity | astronut: Wrong package |
| 05:51.24 | simonrvn | i'll take that as a no then |
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| 05:51.32 | karsten | astronut: You're arguing with the package maintainer, FYI. |
| 05:51.32 | simonrvn | it's x11-common |
| 05:51.37 | IceGuest_5 | so, any debian live users here that may be able to give me a hand? |
| 05:51.39 | simonrvn | i think |
| 05:51.39 | gravity | No, that's not it either |
| 05:51.41 | Dwonis | simonrvn: I'm doing the stupid post-install *update*, and it's taking _forever_ |
| 05:51.47 | gravity | The only thing I changed were the metapackages. |
| 05:51.57 | simonrvn | Dwonis: oh icky, poor you |
| 05:51.57 | astronut | karsten: i appologized, and stated i was wrong... i di know who he is ;-) |
| 05:51.59 | gravity | x-window-system and x-window-system-core are now deprecated in favor of xorg |
| 05:51.59 | dvsdude | sid, k thanks |
| 05:52.08 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5780 kB, Installed size: 14936 kB |
| 05:52.08 | gravity | They'll exist until etch releases |
| 05:52.13 | karsten | astronut: OK, just making sure. |
| 05:52.24 | Dwonis | simonrvn: it's reminding me how "pragmatic" and not "ideological" my dislike for Windows really is |
| 05:52.33 | shogunx | gravity xfs-xtt... sorry. apt says xlibs-static-dev replaces it. which is like a 11k package. no more truetype fontserver, i take it? |
| 05:52.42 | gravity | x11-common and xserver-xorg are part of the same source package, which holds all the debian-specific stuff for the whole of X |
| 05:52.54 | gravity | shogunx: I don't think so, no |
| 05:52.56 | sid | gravity: What is the "xorg" package...is that a transitional package? |
| 05:53.02 | simonrvn | Dwonis: yeh. today i saw an install cd for exchange. eh, suckage |
| 05:53.10 | simonrvn | sid: meta-package |
| 05:53.20 | astronut | xfree86-common was what was removed |
| 05:53.23 | astronut | dunno why it was still there |
| 05:53.26 | gravity | sid: No, the xorg package is two things. It's the name of a source package for several packages. It's also the name for an actual package that's the metapackage for all of X |
| 05:53.33 | gravity | sid: This is only true as of X11R7 though |
| 05:53.42 | sid | What is a meta package? |
| 05:53.46 | simonrvn | what's in sid currently |
| 05:53.51 | simonrvn | !meta-package |
| 05:53.58 | gravity | sid: A package that only exists to pull in other packages |
| 05:53.59 | sid | I did /msg dpkg meta-package |
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| 05:54.05 | sid | I guess dpkg is lagged |
| 05:54.07 | astronut | is dpkg broken? |
| 05:54.10 | simonrvn | no |
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| 05:54.16 | Dwonis | !meta package |
| 05:54.26 | astronut | btw gravity, i still use that dpms trick all the time, it works great, thanks |
| 05:54.31 | sid | dondelelcaro: dpkg is lagged real bad |
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| 05:54.45 | Dwonis | !test |
| 05:54.45 | dpkg | No, dwonis, you're not online any more. |
| 05:54.54 | astronut | !lag |
| 05:54.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lag is the reason fnord has so many meanings |
| 05:54.56 | gravity | astronut: Cool |
| 05:55.05 | astronut | does it hurt monitors more to go to sleep? |
| 05:55.06 | Dwonis | sid, dondelcaro: no, there's just no "meta-package" or "meta package" factoid |
| 05:55.12 | astronut | i might just do that any time i go to screensaver |
| 05:55.23 | sid | Dwonis: It was lagging before though. |
| 05:55.33 | jimvon | astronut: after installing aspell-en, the dir /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/dictionary is still empty. |
| 05:56.34 | zachhale | i have a question about using mdadm: i'm setting up my /etc/raidtab file, can i put more than one raid configuration in the same file before i do 'mkraid /dev/md0' ? |
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| 06:01.07 | sid | jimvon: /usr/share/AbiSuite-2.4/dictionary will probably always be empty. |
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| 06:01.35 | jimvon | sid: how to tell if the dict is properly installed for abiword? |
| 06:01.56 | sid | jimvon: no idea |
| 06:02.13 | sid | jimvon: start abi word and mispell "the" as "teh"? |
| 06:02.49 | zachhale | okay, so i've created two raids, how do i set up the filesystem on the new drives and mount them appropriately? |
| 06:03.06 | dvsdude | ok I've done a bit of googleing and it looks like unstable will do Xgl/compiz can anyone confirm this |
| 06:03.17 | zachhale | waht's good IRC for linux? |
| 06:03.19 | Dwonis | frick, 6+ hours to do what is effectively upgrading from sarge->etch, and then installing build-essential, but on W2K... |
| 06:03.23 | sid | dvsdude: yes this is true |
| 06:03.33 | jimvon | sid: of course. it works now. thks to astronut too. |
| 06:03.40 | dvsdude | sid, ok cool thanks |
| 06:03.42 | sid | dvsdude: unstable _can_ do Xgl/compiz |
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| 06:03.48 | Dwonis | If I had no choice but to put up with that every day, I think I'd go into pottery or something |
| 06:03.54 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.11 | jimvon | got to go and create some docs with correct spellings. bye. |
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| 06:06.11 | sid | zachhale: I prefer to use irssi-text |
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| 06:06.29 | zachhale | sid: what is that? |
| 06:06.31 | dvsdude | is it ok to use testing repos for security with unstable repos for the rest? |
| 06:06.45 | sid | zachhale: A curses irc client that runs on Debian GNU/Linux |
| 06:06.47 | sid | !irssi |
| 06:06.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 06:06.59 | zachhale | aah |
| 06:07.08 | sid | dvsdude: unstable doesn't need security repos |
| 06:07.24 | zachhale | can someone point me in the direction for simply mounting, and setting up a filesystem on a drive? |
| 06:07.24 | sid | dvsdude: yes it's ok to do that...but it's unlikely you'll ever download anything from security repos |
| 06:07.32 | Dwonis | sid: because unstable is 100% secure and unbreakable? |
| 06:07.35 | dvsdude | sid, ok thanks for that |
| 06:07.44 | FabParma | how to save a man page into a file? |
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| 06:08.17 | sid | dvsdude: As the unstable version markings are higher then testing's markings...so it just wouldn't install. iirc |
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| 06:08.33 | dvsdude | sid, cheers |
| 06:08.43 | sid | FabParma: man blah_here &> blah_here.man |
| 06:09.10 | FabParma | sid: thanks |
| 06:09.16 | zachhale | please, anyone? |
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| 06:09.36 | FabParma | sid: why u used the "&"? |
| 06:09.39 | sid | dvsdude: If you are concerned about security...add this --> http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long to your rss feed/browser and you can see latest security advisories...I find it very helpful. |
| 06:09.57 | sid | FabParma: no idea |
| 06:10.14 | sid | FabParma: I _think_ sometimes some programs won't redirect...and the & helps force it to. |
| 06:10.43 | sid | So I just habitually use it all the time to redirect to a file. Because in the past I've had trouble. And the data wouldn't redirect. |
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| 06:10.49 | sciboy | How can i find out what IP addresses are in use on a local network? |
| 06:10.50 | FabParma | sid: thank you again |
| 06:10.53 | jm_ | zachhale: man pages aren't enough or what? |
| 06:10.53 | dvsdude | sid, ok thanks for that |
| 06:11.22 | sid | sciboy: How are the ip addresses being assigned...via dhcp? |
| 06:11.27 | zachhale | jm_ i just dont know what to search for, sorry :(( |
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| 06:11.44 | TraceGreen | Hello, when linux boot, it may show some kernel startup info, can i set kernel not show these info when boot? |
| 06:11.46 | sep | sciboy, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:11.54 | sid | zachhale: type mk[hit tab twice here] |
| 06:12.04 | sciboy | I'm running a computer blind and it'll connect via dhcp, i just need to know which IP address it took so i can connect to it. |
| 06:12.10 | jm_ | zachhale: man mkfs mount |
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| 06:12.23 | sid | zachhale: ie... mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /second_hdd; |
| 06:12.41 | dvsdude | Where can I find a detailed listing of debian repositories? |
| 06:12.56 | jm_ | TraceGreen: not that I know, but you can specify alternate console device and then you won't see it on regular console, but you should know what you're doing with it |
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| 06:13.24 | sid | dvsdude: http://packages.debian.org |
| 06:13.32 | sid | dvsdude: or did you mean... |
| 06:13.33 | sid | !mirrors |
| 06:13.34 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 06:13.54 | TraceGreen | jm_, how can i do that? i mean, specify kernel boot info to other place? |
| 06:14.22 | sid | TraceGreen: good question |
| 06:14.34 | zachhale | jm_, sid: thank you! |
| 06:15.04 | TraceGreen | sid, i am poor at english, I just not want to show kernel boot info . |
| 06:15.28 | sid | TraceGreen: What is your native language? |
| 06:15.29 | dvsdude | sid, was looking at what should be in my sources.list |
| 06:15.39 | sid | dvsdude: You are using unstable? |
| 06:15.45 | TraceGreen | sid, chinese |
| 06:15.50 | sid | !cn |
| 06:15.50 | dpkg | somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 06:16.02 | jm_ | TraceGreen: console= boot option |
| 06:16.13 | sid | TraceGreen: If you prefer to speak chinese you can /join #debian-zh |
| 06:16.22 | dvsdude | sid, well I just went from minimal install stable to testing but what to do some xgl so now I want to go unstable |
| 06:16.22 | TraceGreen | jm_, ok, |
| 06:16.25 | TraceGreen | sid, thanks. |
| 06:16.49 | sid | dvsdude: http://pastebin.com/706882 |
| 06:17.00 | sid | dvsdude: That is my sources.list |
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| 06:17.33 | jm_ | TraceGreen: or disable CONFIG_PRINTK, but that may be useful sometimes |
| 06:17.56 | dvsdude | sid, cheers will have a look I had and error with unstable on iinet but changed to sid instead of unstable and the packages info is now not complaining |
| 06:18.14 | sid | dvsdude: sid is unstable |
| 06:18.15 | jm_ | TraceGreen: another hack would be to drop support for your display adapter (i.e. CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE for x86) |
| 06:18.16 | ljt | TRaceGreen: you can add "console=ttyS0" in grub |
| 06:18.53 | dvsdude | sid, yes but I had unstable and for some reason iinet repo didnt like that but now have sid and alls well cheers |
| 06:19.24 | sid | dvsdude: sid == unstable(bleeding edge/what developers usually use/never going to be released) || etch == testing(next version of debian, releases in december) || sarge == stable(for production servers, _very_ stable..old software...for a reason) |
| 06:20.24 | dvsdude | sid, cheers |
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| 06:21.33 | dvsdude | sid, well here goes the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade hopefully nothing breaks to much not that I've got much installed anyway |
| 06:22.19 | powder | have fun with that |
| 06:22.35 | sid | dvsdude: hopefully. |
| 06:22.47 | dvsdude | sid, :) |
| 06:23.17 | sid | I haven't had sid break on me in a couple years. |
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| 06:23.24 | sid | I consider it very stable. |
| 06:23.52 | sid | although...my 3d accel support...I had in xorg 6.9 didn't work when I dist-upgraded to xorg 7...I had to install another package. |
| 06:24.20 | sid | Not like it took a lot of work, apt-get install, and then I didn't even have to restart X, and 3d accel worked again. |
| 06:24.21 | powder | sid, how did you manage to do that? |
| 06:24.34 | sid | powder: not using gnome or kde helps a lot |
| 06:24.43 | powder | haha i see |
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| 06:25.45 | powder | i was going to use sid, but couldn't get ati's drivers working |
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| 06:26.25 | sid | I use the floss "ati" driver that comes with xorg. As my card isn't supported by fglrx since it's too old. |
| 06:26.50 | sid | And even if my card was supported by fglrx...I wouldn't use it. As I don't want to give up my freedom and use a proprietary 3d accel module in my kernel. |
| 06:27.17 | powder | I can't live without it ;) |
| 06:27.41 | SlammerXP | sid: you're confused. a licence for prioprietary software gives you rights you wouldn't usually have. |
| 06:28.05 | SlammerXP | you normally wouldn't have _any right whatsoever_ to use it. |
| 06:28.22 | dvsdude | sid, all i've installed on this system is xfce4 nvidia drivers just starting to build but want to see if can get xgl/compiz happen with xfce4 already have a kde system running it but its kubuntu. |
| 06:28.27 | BlackJudas | Is there any way I can open firefox on both heads in a dual head configuration? (without it complaining that an instance is already running and you must setup another identity etc etc...) |
| 06:28.32 | sid | SlammerXP: But it's not free software. |
| 06:28.40 | SlammerXP | sid: so? |
| 06:29.03 | halux | mhm, someone knows the reason why I cannot delete a cyrus mailbox "test" as user "cyrus" with "dm test" ? |
| 06:29.04 | sid | BlackJudas: control n to open a new window. |
| 06:29.17 | sid | SlammerXP: So I give up my freedom if I use their non-free software. |
| 06:29.25 | simonrvn | halux: rtfm |
| 06:29.31 | SlammerXP | halux: you have to give the cyrus user explicit rights to delete a mailbox, it doesn't get them by default |
| 06:29.39 | SlammerXP | sid: no you don't. |
| 06:29.53 | BlackJudas | sid, hrrm, that would open the new window on the current head... not on the new one. |
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| 06:30.02 | simonrvn | that's pretty much exactly what's in the fm |
| 06:30.07 | sid | BlackJudas: Can't you drag it over then? |
| 06:30.14 | halux | thanks |
| 06:30.15 | sid | SlammerXP: yes I do. |
| 06:30.23 | BlackJudas | sid, nope not on dual head, that would be xinerama. |
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| 06:30.38 | BlackJudas | x runs with two displays... :0 and :1 |
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| 06:30.47 | simonrvn | halux: logic being (also in the fm) that the admin user(s) can't accidentily delete someone's box |
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| 06:30.56 | sid | BlackJudas: sorry...I'm too poor to afford cool toys like that. So I am not sure what you are doing. heh |
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| 06:32.02 | halux | simonrvn: thanks, haven't thought that they will do this for a unix program ;) But as long I don't have to disconnect every user I like to delete or use tools like "handle"... ;) |
| 06:32.07 | BlackJudas | sid, :) np, if you have a second monitor... chances are you can run your system dual-head |
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| 06:32.31 | Gnea | BlackJudas: firefox --display=:1 |
| 06:32.38 | sid | SlammerXP: By accepting the proprietary kernel modules...and using them. I'm letting ATI / Nvidia know that them not giving me my complete freedom is not ok. So when I say I don't want to use their proprietary drivers and give up my freedom. That's what I mean. |
| 06:32.46 | simonrvn | halux: eh, i like it, though annoying, because it's a way to go "are you sure?" |
| 06:32.48 | BlackJudas | Gnea, oh? Super, I'll try that. |
| 06:33.29 | Gnea | BlackJudas: any luck? |
| 06:33.34 | BlackJudas | nope :s |
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| 06:33.47 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 06:33.51 | halux | simonrvn: they could just ask "are you sure" like reiserfsck does (you must enter: 'Yes') |
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| 06:34.02 | halux | but of course, also fine this way |
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| 06:34.21 | BlackJudas | Gnea, just complains that it can't open display: :1 |
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| 06:34.25 | BlackJudas | which... is strange |
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| 06:34.26 | simonrvn | halux: yeh, well the perl module is meant to be scripted, or used from cyradm |
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| 06:34.42 | SlammerXP | sid: you're saying, effectively, "Dear ATI, I've already bought my hardware from you, so you've got my money. By the way, I'm not going to be using the full potential of this hardware because I think that this will in some way make you open up your drivers. Enjoy spending my money! Love, Halux" |
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| 06:34.47 | Gnea | BlackJudas: what is the result of `echo $DISPLAY` on the second head? |
| 06:34.47 | SlammerXP | err love Sid, even. |
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| 06:34.55 | SkareCrow | `test |
| 06:34.55 | SkareNet18868139 | My name is: SkareNet1886813918 |
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| 06:34.55 | SkareCrow | `test |
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| 06:34.56 | SkareNet18288 | My name is: SkareNet18288 |
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| 06:34.56 | SkareNet18868139 | My name is: SkareNet1886813918 |
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| 06:35.03 | Knorrie | holy shit |
| 06:35.04 | simonrvn | idjit |
| 06:35.05 | Gnea | !ops SkareNet12000087 is a spammer |
| 06:35.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: SkareNet12000087 is a spammer |
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| 06:35.12 | SlammerXP | simonrvn: are you sure? |
| 06:35.13 | simonrvn | there's more than one |
| 06:35.21 | mvfeinstein | Hi, I just install debian testing on my desktop using a net install disc. Once I booted into the system I can not get the pc to get an address from the dhcp server. When I run ifconfig the mac address has a bunch of "00" on the end. Does anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 06:35.26 | SkareCrow | `quit |
| 06:35.32 | BlackJudas | Gnea, oh it's 0.1 :o |
| 06:35.36 | Gnea | !ops *!*skarenet@* is a spammer |
| 06:35.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: *!*skarenet@* is a spammer |
| 06:35.43 | simonrvn | SlammerXP: pretty sure. not 100% |
| 06:36.00 | FabParma | is it possible to merge all bash in one only? |
| 06:36.14 | Gnea | !ops 23:35 -!- SkareCrow [n=SkareCro@66-189-180-71.dhcp.wnch.wa.charter.com] is head spammer |
| 06:36.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: 23:35 -!- SkareCrow [n=SkareCro@66-189-180-71.dhcp.wnch.wa.charter.com] is head spammer |
| 06:36.18 | FabParma | is it possible to merge all bash history in one only? |
| 06:36.30 | simonrvn | BTW ops, that SkareCrow dufus is part of it |
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| 06:36.51 | signature16 | how do i remove a user form a group |
| 06:37.11 | Knorrie | signature16: deluser <user> <group> |
| 06:37.11 | FabParma | is it possible to merge all bash history into one single history bash for all the terminals? |
| 06:37.24 | unfo | FabParma: the fish(1) shell does that... |
| 06:37.26 | BlackJudas | hrrm same shit... firefox is already open and not responding, you must close your currently running sessions ... etc :s |
| 06:37.40 | Knorrie | FabParma: is it possible to merge all your repeated questions in one? :D |
| 06:37.56 | unfo | BlackJudas: sucks. have you considered using mozilla-browser or konqueror instead? theyre excellent. |
| 06:38.03 | unfo | not to knock ff. |
| 06:38.12 | unfo | hi all, how does the kernel vfat driver keep track of the permissions I set on files on windows fat32 partitions? |
| 06:38.15 | FabParma | Knorrie: its not easy |
| 06:38.22 | unfo | :) |
| 06:38.23 | FabParma | Knorrie: ill try |
| 06:38.25 | jm_ | unfo: it doesn't since vfat has no concept of permissions |
| 06:38.34 | unfo | FabParma: try to google first. :) |
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| 06:38.44 | unfo | jm_: hmmm... /me checks again |
| 06:38.59 | zachhale | okay, so i have mdadm array here, how do i remove it to make a new array? |
| 06:39.04 | zachhale | i'm having trouble finding docs on this |
| 06:39.07 | jm_ | unfo: but Linux can fake them using appropriate mount options, if that's what you mean |
| 06:39.11 | BlackJudas | unfo, hrrm, yeah but :s mozilla is ugly (and bloated) and konq has some slight rendering issues :s (not to knock 'em) |
| 06:39.20 | unfo | it seems to... keep track of perms at least for 10 seconds... |
| 06:39.39 | unfo | BlackJudas: i'd assume konq has been improved since Apple adopted KHTML. |
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| 06:39.52 | simonrvn | FabParma: zsh does that too |
| 06:40.04 | jm_ | unfo: yeah, you can see that happening, but it will be gone next time you mount it |
| 06:40.09 | unfo | jm_: ah only until i unmount. |
| 06:40.16 | FabParma | Knorrie, if i open four consoles, i have different history in each bash. i'd like to merge the bash history an use only one for all consoles |
| 06:40.18 | jm_ | indeed |
| 06:40.28 | BlackJudas | unfo, hmm yeah good point, I'll give it a shot. |
| 06:40.30 | unfo | still it's fine for building wine right? I only need to build it once. :) |
| 06:40.33 | FabParma | simonrvn: thank you |
| 06:40.43 | unfo | BlackJudas: konq is a superb browser. |
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| 06:40.54 | jm_ | FabParma: look at HISTFILE variable |
| 06:40.59 | BlackJudas | unfo, I remember :) |
| 06:41.11 | BlackJudas | Been a while since I've run it though. |
| 06:41.15 | FabParma | jm_: thank jm |
| 06:41.16 | Gnea | BlackJudas: sorry about the damage control, you said it's :0.1? |
| 06:41.19 | BlackJudas | heh |
| 06:41.24 | unfo | jm_: thx :) |
| 06:41.29 | Gnea | :) |
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| 06:41.42 | BlackJudas | Gnea, yeah :0.1 kinda funny, since I've been adamant it's :1 |
| 06:42.02 | Gnea | BlackJudas: try: firefox --display=:0.1 |
| 06:42.23 | BlackJudas | did.... |
| 06:42.23 | mvfeinstein | Can anyone tell me what would cause my network card to show the mac address as having and extra 8 characters |
| 06:42.31 | BlackJudas | <BlackJudas> hrrm same shit... firefox is already open and not responding, you must close your currently running sessions ... etc :s |
| 06:42.49 | Gnea | mvfeinstein: where did you obtain this information from? |
| 06:42.52 | Knorrie | FabParma: :) |
| 06:43.09 | jm_ | BlackJudas: tried mozilla-firefox -a blabla? |
| 06:43.17 | Gnea | BlackJudas: ah, then the other display isn't accepting non-local connections |
| 06:43.17 | mvfeinstein | Gnea ifconfig it shows the mac and then an extra 8 '0' |
| 06:43.24 | FabParma | Knorrie: why ur smiling? |
| 06:43.34 | BlackJudas | jm_, hrrm -a? |
| 06:43.42 | Gnea | mvfeinstein: what branch of debian is that? |
| 06:43.49 | mvfeinstein | Gnea testing |
| 06:43.56 | BlackJudas | Gnea, non-local? ehh... it's local isn't it? (you've managed to lose me ;) |
| 06:44.02 | Gnea | mvfeinstein: is that a physical or virtual network device? |
| 06:44.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:44.08 | Knorrie | FabParma: 'its not easy' <- about hitting enter ;) |
| 06:44.08 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:44.16 | Gnea | BlackJudas: okay, is X running on a TCP port? |
| 06:44.18 | jm_ | unfo: no worries |
| 06:44.30 | mvfeinstein | Gnea physical and I just install testing from the net install cd so I know the card works |
| 06:44.39 | BlackJudas | hold on i'll netstat, i think gdm auto kills listening to the net |
| 06:45.07 | jm_ | typically Firefox would just open a new window if you already have an instance running, it does so for me anyway |
| 06:45.19 | unfo | what do I type after logging in to make sure it'll all happen at once? cvs -z 3 checkout wine && (cd wine && ./configure --prefix=/app/wine-cvs && make) ? |
| 06:45.36 | Gnea | jm_: he's running 2 different X displays on one machine on 2 monitors |
| 06:45.37 | BlackJudas | Gnea, nope not listening |
| 06:45.55 | jm_ | Gnea: I know he is |
| 06:45.59 | Gnea | BlackJudas: then communication between them is impossible. you could try sux. |
| 06:46.00 | Gnea | !sux |
| 06:46.00 | dpkg | somebody said sux was su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 06:46.19 | Gnea | !beer jm_ |
| 06:46.36 | unfo | !tell all "My opinions knock people's sox off". |
| 06:46.46 | unfo | didnt work. darn. :) |
| 06:47.23 | Gnea | unfo: i'd write that all into one shell script |
| 06:47.30 | BlackJudas | Gnea, would it be easier just to let xorg listen to a net socket? |
| 06:47.41 | Gnea | BlackJudas: it might be, try it |
| 06:47.48 | BlackJudas | k |
| 06:47.49 | unfo | Gnea: why a shell script? |
| 06:47.52 | jm_ | BlackJudas: no, that won't change anything - use -a and check if it works |
| 06:47.59 | Gnea | unfo: that's what you're doing anyway |
| 06:48.05 | unfo | and would it work, or is the directory name or something wrong? |
| 06:48.34 | BlackJudas | jm_, tried the following 'firefox --display=0.1 -a new' |
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| 06:48.46 | jm_ | unfo: directory depends on what's stored in the CVS repository you're using, supposedly it's wine for wine module |
| 06:48.50 | BlackJudas | got 'gtk-warning blah blah cannot connect to displau 0.1 |
| 06:49.00 | Gnea | unfo: better to do an initial checkout, then have the script use that directory |
| 06:49.06 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 06:49.10 | jm_ | BlackJudas: it's ":0.1", not "0.1" |
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| 06:49.21 | jm_ | BlackJudas: try xclock first to see if it opens there |
| 06:49.36 | unfo | Gnea: its a 1 liner!!! :) "script"??? |
| 06:49.53 | signature16 | How do i remove a user from a group with gpasswd? |
| 06:50.12 | Gnea | unfo: but it doesn't provide any sanity-checks :) |
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| 06:50.13 | unfo | signature16: why are you using gpasswd? :) |
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| 06:50.25 | signature16 | unfo: whats wrong with that? |
| 06:50.27 | unfo | Gnea: if it borks, I'll just fix it myself. :) |
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| 06:50.38 | BlackJudas | jm_, err, then I'd have to set DISPLAY wouldn't I? |
| 06:50.49 | Gnea | unfo: good deal |
| 06:50.53 | jm_ | BlackJudas: why would you have to set DISPLAy? |
| 06:50.55 | mvfeinstein | Gnea any ideas? |
| 06:50.57 | unfo | signature16: nothing, but everyone here knows deluser and not everyone knows gpasswd. :) |
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| 06:51.13 | Gnea | mvfeinstein: is it messing anything up or are operations fairly normalized? |
| 06:51.14 | BlackJudas | jm_, oh to open it from the other head |
| 06:51.25 | jm_ | BlackJudas: xclock also supports -display option |
| 06:51.30 | signature16 | deluser? does that allow me to delete a user from a group...and not delete the user? |
| 06:51.31 | BlackJudas | anyway 'DISPLAY=:0.1 xclock' worked |
| 06:51.40 | BlackJudas | oh I used man and I didn't see that option... sorry |
| 06:51.44 | BlackJudas | anyway it worked |
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| 06:51.54 | Gnea | !beer BlackJudas |
| 06:51.57 | jm_ | so now try firefox |
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| 06:52.16 | mvfeinstein | Gnea I can't get a address from the dhcp server, not sure if it is caused by the weird mac address but I have a feeling that it is |
| 06:52.20 | unfo | o@debian:/m/w/t/wine$ ./configure |
| 06:52.20 | unfo | bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 06:52.26 | BlackJudas | xclock -display :0.1 works as well |
| 06:52.35 | unfo | sux. now i guess I'll fuss with my fstab file. |
| 06:52.40 | Gnea | mvfeinstein: that's weird... when did this start happening? |
| 06:52.41 | lilo | klined that botnet |
| 06:52.50 | lilo | didn't get notified at first though |
| 06:52.57 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:53.07 | BlackJudas | jm_, same crap :( |
| 06:53.15 | xbmodder_lappy | k-line comcast |
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| 06:53.34 | BlackJudas | jm_, firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, orrestart your system. |
| 06:53.42 | mvfeinstein | Gnea as soon as I booted into the os after the install |
| 06:54.03 | Gnea | mvfeinstein: what's the timestamp on that whole install? |
| 06:54.13 | BlackJudas | must be a session thing |
| 06:54.18 | BlackJudas | I don't understand. |
| 06:54.20 | unfo | ah, /bin/sh ./configure worked fine. |
| 06:54.26 | mvfeinstein | Gnea how do I figure that out? |
| 06:54.27 | jm_ | BlackJudas: how did you start it? |
| 06:54.29 | unfo | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 06:54.38 | BlackJudas | firefox --display=:0.1 -a new |
| 06:54.55 | Gnea | mvfeinstein: it'll likely be in the filename of the etch ISO that you downloaded, probably just part of the version information |
| 06:55.11 | jm_ | tried mozilla-firefox instead? |
| 06:55.17 | unfo | BlackJudas: how was konqueror? |
| 06:55.21 | unfo | :) |
| 06:56.19 | BlackJudas | jm_, nope... it's a big fat piece of bloat :s and google doesn't gimme much to go on. Looks like either I'm the only dude with this problem... or everyone just accepts the stupidity. |
| 06:56.23 | unfo | is there a way to get bash tab completion to do color ls? |
| 06:56.36 | jm_ | BlackJudas: did you try using mozilla-firefox script instead of firefox? |
| 06:56.44 | jm_ | unfo: zsh does that, no idea about bash |
| 06:57.06 | mvfeinstein | Gnea No date stamp in the disc or image name |
| 06:57.19 | BlackJudas | jm_, oh sorry misread that. (just saw mozilla and started whining) |
| 06:57.28 | mvfeinstein | Gnea I got it a month or so ago from the debian website |
| 06:57.43 | jm_ | BlackJudas: alternatively, if you're using testing/sid, check if it properly recognizes -a option and passes your argument to firefox-bin instead of the default app_id |
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| 06:58.31 | BlackJudas | jm_, ok, mozilla-firefox gave me the same error. |
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| 06:59.04 | unfo | argh. apt-get build-dep wine seems to be trying to install a different X server than what I had before. |
| 06:59.13 | jm_ | BlackJudas: then check how it's running firefox, sh -x `which mozilla-firefox` -a foo -display .... |
| 06:59.24 | BlackJudas | jm_, ok |
| 06:59.50 | unfo | The following packages will be upgraded: ... x-window-system-core xbase-clients xlibmesa-gl xlibs xserver-common xserver-xfree86 xutils zlib1g |
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| 07:00.23 | BlackJudas | jm_, exec /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin --display=:0.1 -a foo |
| 07:00.34 | BlackJudas | last line of output, seems to push the right parameters. |
| 07:00.36 | jm_ | BlackJudas: looks just fine to me |
| 07:00.51 | BlackJudas | Yep. |
| 07:00.55 | unfo | (/usr/bin/firefox is a small shell script that runs firefox-bin and I think redirects console output to /dev/null.) |
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| 07:01.34 | unfo | ok so which Xsession do I keep? xfree86's or xorg's? |
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| 07:02.20 | unfo | anyone? |
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| 07:03.29 | mvfeinstein | Gnea any thoughts? |
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| 07:04.07 | jm_ | BlackJudas: this works with Firefox 1.5 from backports |
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| 07:05.09 | BlackJudas | Ooooh buggy buggie buggerton! |
| 07:05.15 | unfo | can I apt-get remove xfree86 while it is still running? |
| 07:05.22 | unfo | BlackJudas: bugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbugbug |
| 07:05.27 | unfo | :) |
| 07:05.31 | BlackJudas | =D |
| 07:05.47 | chron | i'm trying to transport package files through disk, because one computer lacks a nic, how would i know what package to get, and do i put this in /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename ? |
| 07:05.48 | unfo | "buggerton" is an excellent word btw. you should sell it. you could make a dollar. |
| 07:06.09 | unfo | chron: one way is to use apt-get --download-only |
| 07:06.10 | jm_ | chron: look at apt-zip |
| 07:06.14 | unfo | chron: if I spelled that right. |
| 07:06.25 | chron | what is apt-zip? |
| 07:06.25 | unfo | (or was it --just-download?) |
| 07:06.39 | jm_ | why not read the description for it? |
| 07:06.45 | unfo | !apt-zip |
| 07:06.45 | dpkg | apt-zip is, like, Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 07:07.13 | unfo | using the bot is much easier. :) |
| 07:07.21 | chron | i don't need to update |
| 07:07.33 | chron | i just need the pkgs |
| 07:07.38 | unfo | chron: check the apt-zip README file. |
| 07:07.44 | unfo | or the manpage. |
| 07:07.53 | chron | how am i gonna get apt-zip when it's not networked? |
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| 07:08.02 | jm_ | who says it can be used for updating only ... |
| 07:08.25 | chron | so what is the flag for just downloading? |
| 07:08.28 | unfo | jm_: the bot implies it :) |
| 07:08.39 | chron | apt-get --just-download or --download-only ? |
| 07:08.52 | unfo | chron: check the apt manpage, I think it's --download-only though. and I'm not sure where it plops the results to. |
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| 07:09.20 | chron | i haven't even done an install yet, i'm planning things out first |
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| 07:09.33 | unfo | chron: i recommend apt-zip instead. it should meet your needs. or buy a NIC for $5. :) |
| 07:10.20 | chron | no, i'm doing an offline install |
| 07:10.51 | chron | !chroot |
| 07:10.51 | dpkg | hmm... chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 07:10.58 | unfo | chron: why not just grab the first CD or DVD? |
| 07:11.27 | chron | it doesn't have all the pkgs i need |
| 07:11.32 | chron | or probably doesn't |
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| 07:11.41 | unfo | jm_: zsh does not have the color by default. |
| 07:11.55 | jm_ | unfo: no, but you can easily enable it |
| 07:12.05 | chron | anyone know the site for the chroot install? (manual install) |
| 07:12.11 | unfo | chron: it probably has most. and the first DVD almost surely has almost all. its sorted into CDs by popularity. :) |
| 07:12.14 | unfo | jm_: how? |
| 07:12.53 | jm_ | unfo: I think compinstall asks you about it, otherwise set it manually with zstyle ':completion:*' list-colors "$LS_COLORS" |
| 07:13.28 | unfo | ok cool. |
| 07:13.56 | chron | anyone know the site for the chroot install? (manual install) |
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| 07:14.10 | Niux | Can somebody tell me whats wrong with this line: if test $L -gt `expr $N * 15 / 100` |
| 07:15.14 | unfo | chron: why not the DVD? :) |
| 07:15.21 | unfo | its the recommended way. |
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| 07:17.54 | chron | anyone know the site for the chroot install? (manual install) |
| 07:18.22 | unfo | chron: don't repeat. i |
| 07:18.28 | unfo | am trying to help you. :) |
| 07:18.29 | trenka | chron: what do you mean? man debootstrap ? |
| 07:18.30 | unfo | and |
| 07:18.42 | unfo | "chroot install" means nothing. |
| 07:19.13 | chron | yes debootstrap |
| 07:19.15 | chron | that's what it is |
| 07:19.16 | unfo | whoa. |
| 07:19.36 | unfo | doesn't sound to me like you want debootstrap in your case. |
| 07:19.44 | bengrubb | how do i view all the packages i have installed? |
| 07:19.50 | chron | trenka do you know the site for it? |
| 07:20.24 | jm_ | bengrubb: read the faq |
| 07:20.32 | jm_ | chron: www.debian.org of course |
| 07:20.32 | unfo | bengrubb: or Google :) |
| 07:20.57 | unfo | chron: tell us: what are you trying to do in general? |
| 07:21.10 | chron | !debootstrap |
| 07:21.10 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 07:21.19 | bengrubb | or a man would be nice? |
| 07:21.27 | jm_ | well man dpkg |
| 07:21.55 | chron | unfo: offline, anonymized, hardened, bootstrapped debian install |
| 07:22.07 | chron | with security premeasures |
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| 07:22.26 | chron | and !debootstrap isn't the url |
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| 07:22.30 | SkareCrow | fag channel |
| 07:22.55 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel |
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| 07:23.03 | DocTomoe | Hm, I have a strange problem with munin ... works fine on ca. 12 servers, the damned 13th one, however, gives me this error message: "May 09 09:15:07 - Unable to graph /var/lib/munin/SERVERNAME/SUB.SERVERNAME-courier_mta_mailqueue-mails-g.rrd: Opening '/var/www/munin/SERVERNAME/SUB.SERVERNAME-courier_mta_mailqueue-year.png' for write: Permission denied". However, /vaw/www/munin is owned by munin:munin and is 0777. Any suggestions? |
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| 07:23.27 | DocTomoe | [whereas SERVERNAME and SUB.SERVERNAME are my domain and sub.domain] |
| 07:23.31 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel |
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| 07:23.45 | chron | does anyone know how to do the bootstrapped installation, manual, nicknamed "chroot install" |
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| 07:23.58 | jm_ | how about permissions for the actual /var/www/munin/SERVERNAME ? and files in there? |
| 07:23.58 | chron | know where the url is, it's on the debian site, i had it |
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| 07:24.13 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:24.20 | unfo | chron: what distro are you bootstrapping from? |
| 07:24.37 | chron | i'll figure that out later, it's not important |
| 07:24.43 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.01 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.05 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.06 | bengrubb | it said a nawty word |
| 07:25.07 | tarzeau | !ops SkareCrow berzerks |
| 07:25.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: SkareCrow berzerks |
| 07:25.13 | Oax | have a lot of people had trouble with firefox recently with unstable? |
| 07:25.21 | unfo | bengrubb: just do /ignore SkareCrow. |
| 07:25.22 | tarzeau | Oax: check bts? |
| 07:25.23 | Oax | I get very frequent crashes |
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| 07:25.30 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.31 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.37 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.37 | tarzeau | Oax: and the lockfiles stays around? |
| 07:25.37 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.41 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.49 | bengrubb | is it a bot |
| 07:25.50 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.53 | bengrubb | or a retard |
| 07:25.54 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.57 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:25.58 | tarzeau | bengrubb: heh |
| 07:25.59 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:26.00 | Zet | a retarded bot |
| 07:26.01 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:26.04 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
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| 07:26.07 | unfo | bengrubb: do not discuss the trolls. :) |
| 07:26.08 | Oax | tarzeau, didn't check on the lockfile |
| 07:26.08 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:26.12 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 07:26.13 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:26.17 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:26.18 | tarzeau | lilo: DO SOMETHING |
| 07:26.21 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:26.26 | SkareCrow | yea lilo do something! |
| 07:26.29 | SkareCrow | kline me lilo |
| 07:26.33 | SkareCrow | i know you can you fucking faggit |
| 07:26.34 | unfo | tarzeau: why not just /ignore him? :) |
| 07:26.34 | tarzeau | or remove the need identified for /msg people |
| 07:26.38 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:26.55 | tarzeau | unfo: because last time i did /ignore ubuntu and all mistyped versions of ubunto i missed messages |
| 07:26.57 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
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| 07:27.13 | Oax | i bet he would have gotten banned sooner if he asked nicely |
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| 07:27.20 | Oax | or if he just flooded without asking for a ban |
| 07:27.24 | unfo | all mistyped versions of ubunto? |
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| 07:27.28 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
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| 07:27.30 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:27.35 | tarzeau | unfo: yeah ubuntu, ubnutu, ubunto, ubontu ... |
| 07:27.47 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:27.50 | unfo | can't you ignore 1 nick? |
| 07:27.52 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:27.57 | unfo | SaLo|ToT: what's ToT? |
| 07:28.01 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:28.07 | tarzeau | unfo: look it's not about that. what about the other 700 people? |
| 07:28.15 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:28.16 | unfo | tarzeau: thats true. |
| 07:28.17 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:28.17 | tarzeau | unfo: #debian needs more ops |
| 07:28.20 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:28.23 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:28.32 | unfo | why don't they op you? |
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| 07:28.37 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
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| 07:28.44 | tarzeau | unfo: why do you ask me? |
| 07:28.47 | SkareCrow | becuase he is a fag |
| 07:28.52 | SkareCrow | and so are you unfo |
| 07:28.58 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:28.59 | unfo | !ops why don't you op tarzeau? |
| 07:28.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: why don't you op tarzeau |
| 07:29.00 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:29.08 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:29.11 | unfo | tarzeau: there :) |
| 07:29.11 | SkareCrow | ban this host from this channel you fucking faggits |
| 07:29.14 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.15 | SkareCrow | !ops bluh |
| 07:29.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: bluh |
| 07:29.16 | chron | does anyone know how to do the bootstrapped installation, manual, nicknamed "chroot install" |
| 07:29.20 | tarzeau | unfo: can you join #freenode and ask for help? |
| 07:29.26 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.26 | chron | !bootstrap |
| 07:29.26 | dpkg | it has been said that bootstrap is the method of booting an OS, ask about ybin, yaboot, Apple_Bootstrap, quik, lilo, silo, or grub. |
| 07:29.27 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.30 | unfo | tarzeau: you mean #help? |
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| 07:29.30 | tarzeau | 09:23 [gnu] -!- Cannot join to channel #freenode (You have joined to too many channels) |
| 07:29.31 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.38 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.40 | unfo | ah. |
| 07:29.40 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.41 | Md | tarzeau: what's wrong? |
| 07:29.46 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
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| 07:29.51 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban this host from this chan |
| 07:29.58 | tarzeau | Md: just remove SkareCrow |
| 07:29.58 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.02 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.05 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.07 | tarzeau | thanks |
| 07:30.09 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.16 | unfo | :) |
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| 07:30.17 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.19 | SkareCrow | !ops ban this host from this chan |
| 07:30.30 | jetscreamer | buhbye |
| 07:30.42 | Hobbsee | hehe finally! |
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| 07:31.00 | unfo | Hobbsee: are you the same person as hobbs of #perl? |
| 07:31.04 | chron | does anyone know how to do the bootstrapped installation, manual, nicknamed "chroot install" |
| 07:31.11 | Hobbsee | unfo: no i'm not, i only use the nick Hobbsee* |
| 07:31.12 | unfo | chron: stop spamming the channel |
| 07:31.15 | unfo | ah. |
| 07:31.15 | chron | !chroot install |
| 07:31.16 | dpkg | i heard chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 07:31.17 | benplaut | actually, i'm from #ubuntu... just came in to watch the show :P |
| 07:31.19 | benplaut | bye >_> |
| 07:31.22 | unfo | benplaut: :) |
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| 07:31.32 | unfo | WildTangent is not spyware. |
| 07:31.39 | chron | ah there it is |
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| 07:31.55 | unfo | chron needs more irc manners. |
| 07:33.08 | unfo | how do I purge a package that I've already removed? |
| 07:33.15 | jetscreamer | !worship he who klined skareboycrow |
| 07:33.32 | jetscreamer | unfo: in the usual fashion |
| 07:34.03 | unfo | jetscreamer: $ sudo dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:34.03 | unfo | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove xserver-xfree86 which isn't installed. |
| 07:34.06 | unfo | $ |
| 07:34.19 | unfo | hmm, maybe its purged already though. |
| 07:34.23 | jetscreamer | unfo: here's a trick. do dselect, scroll down to the header 'uninstalled packages', then hit the _ |
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| 07:34.41 | jetscreamer | mass purge of already uninstalled |
| 07:35.01 | unfo | jm_: how's zsh's completion as opposed to those in the package bash-completion? |
| 07:35.12 | unfo | spikeb: whats wrong? |
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| 07:35.18 | unfo | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 07:35.42 | jetscreamer | what do you mean what do i mean. (it's kinda self explanatory) |
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| 07:35.45 | spikeb | unfo: just had a bad flashback of dselect |
| 07:35.51 | unfo | spikeb: oh, sorry to hear |
| 07:35.59 | unfo | (dselect isn't THAT bad...) |
| 07:36.32 | unfo | jetscreamer: you said "mass purge of already uninstalled". are you telling me to do something? and if so, how? :) |
| 07:36.50 | jetscreamer | unfo: the line above that |
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| 07:37.06 | unfo | oops ah now I see. |
| 07:37.12 | unfo | !lart me |
| 07:37.35 | jetscreamer | unfo: do the _ on the header |
| 07:37.51 | jetscreamer | title, whatever... where it says uninstalled, not the actual list of packages |
| 07:38.36 | unfo | i don't see any "uninstalled" category. maybe they were all purged already? |
| 07:38.47 | jetscreamer | under the ones with all the *'s |
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| 07:39.34 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.41 | jetscreamer | then hit _ |
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| 07:40.18 | unfo | how do I hide the stupid bottom pane of dselect? |
| 07:40.26 | jetscreamer | shift i |
| 07:40.31 | unfo | cool! |
| 07:40.51 | unfo | conflict screen :( |
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| 07:42.02 | unfo | The following packages will be upgraded: adduser apt at base-files base-passwd bash bsdmainutils bsdutils |
| 07:42.05 | unfo | ... |
| 07:42.08 | unfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.08 | unfo | 142 upgraded, 8 newly installed, 42 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 07:42.16 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 07:42.22 | unfo | That's bad. I assume it wants to do a dist-upgrade for me for no reason? |
| 07:42.38 | jetscreamer | well it's not no reason, but yeah |
| 07:42.57 | jetscreamer | you can just hit ctrl c if you don't want to |
| 07:43.09 | jetscreamer | or shift R |
| 07:43.13 | jetscreamer | to reset |
| 07:43.17 | unfo | and this is only my secondary machine. |
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| 07:44.23 | jetscreamer | the only reason ppl don't like dselect is the selection list imo |
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| 07:46.48 | unfo | jetscreamer: and the hard-to-understand conflict resolution screen. |
| 07:47.08 | unfo | jetscreamer: and bad mental associations with 3 hour first debian installs. :) |
| 07:47.34 | jetscreamer | it's either automatic, just hit enter, or it can't figure out what to do, hitting enter does no good :) |
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| 07:48.00 | spikeb | unfo: haha |
| 07:48.12 | unfo | jetscreamer: that's the problem. |
| 07:48.14 | jetscreamer | but usually if it can't figure it out the packages aren't there |
| 07:48.17 | unfo | spikeb: no joke :) |
| 07:48.30 | spikeb | unfo: i know, all too well |
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| 07:49.15 | unfo | no way to find out anymore |
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| 07:50.09 | dvsdude | dpkg, tell dvsdude about nvidia |
| 07:50.41 | unfo | dvsdude: try /msg dpkg nvidia instead. |
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| 07:51.55 | dvsdude | unfo, yeah well at least i didnt just spew it all over the screen :0 |
| 07:52.05 | unfo | "What interface should be used for configuring packages?" If I choose "KDE" and X is not running, what'll happen? |
| 07:52.14 | unfo | dvsdude: true :) |
| 07:52.22 | dvsdude | ha ha |
| 07:52.28 | sep | unfo, leave it at default |
| 07:52.36 | unfo | sep: why? |
| 07:53.04 | sep | unfo, then it allways work, and it's just decorative anyway and have no real functional impact |
| 07:53.07 | unfo | there goes X Window... |
| 07:53.11 | jetscreamer | i've never seen that one |
| 07:53.21 | unfo | sep: i like decorations, they're girlfriend-positive. |
| 07:53.53 | sep | unfo, if you let your girlfriend do package upgrades... your' not girlfriend positive |
| 07:54.19 | unfo | i don't really have a girlfriend, it's an expression I made up. |
| 07:54.39 | unfo | its more impressive when stuff is graphical when your friends are over or etc. |
| 07:55.03 | unfo | Some errors occurred while unpacking. I'm going to configure the |
| 07:55.03 | unfo | packages that were installed. This may result in duplicate errors |
| 07:55.03 | unfo | or errors caused by missing dependencies. This is OK, only the errors |
| 07:55.03 | unfo | above this message are important. Please fix them and run [I]nstall again |
| 07:55.03 | unfo | Press enter to continue. |
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| 07:55.14 | unfo | oops |
| 07:55.22 | unfo | do I press enter? |
| 07:55.28 | unfo | or cry? :) |
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| 07:56.01 | unfo | that wasnt so bad. |
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| 07:56.24 | unfo | The following packages will be REMOVED: xserver-xorg* |
| 07:56.24 | unfo | The following NEW packages will be installed: libedit2 libslang2 openssh-client openssh-server vim-runtime |
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| 07:56.29 | unfo | TThe following packages will be upgraded: adduser apt at base-files base-passwd bash bsdmainutils bsdutils |
| 07:56.31 | Razva | any ideea why my machine keeps disconnecting me randomly? like, I connect, works fine but at a "moment" it just stops replying and I have to reconnect (ssh)... any ideeas? |
| 07:56.33 | unfo | ... |
| 07:56.35 | unfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.36 | unfo | 126 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 1 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 07:56.36 | unfo | Need to get 0B/57.0MB of archives. |
| 07:56.41 | unfo | "y" |
| 07:56.48 | unfo | Razva: maybe check the logs |
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| 07:57.05 | unfo | dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128 |
| 07:57.08 | unfo | Errors were encountered while processing: xserver-xorg |
| 07:57.26 | raf256 | Razva: check logs, perhaps firewall |
| 07:57.43 | unfo | Razva: when did the problem start? |
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| 07:59.26 | Razva | unfo ok, does debian has any network logs...? |
| 07:59.26 | Razva | no ideea... I just found out yesterday... worked fine until now |
| 07:59.26 | Razva | May 8 13:59:04 lan -- MARK -- <- what's that? |
| 07:59.26 | Razva | I can't find any network logs or something like that... |
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| 07:59.39 | Razva | what the |
| 07:59.45 | chaizzilla | is there an apt command that would help one find sources that host file xyz? |
| 07:59.50 | unfo | Razva: you were kicked for flooding. |
| 07:59.57 | unfo | Razva: check /var/log maybe? :) |
| 08:00.02 | chaizzilla | hm! |
| 08:00.10 | Razva | yeah, noticed :) I'm there but what log I should exactly read |
| 08:00.17 | jetscreamer | unfo: that's when i whip out the dpkg --purge --force-all :) |
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| 08:00.29 | Razva | because I've read messages, auth... nothing about "disconnection" |
| 08:00.40 | unfo | Razva: /var/log/sshd maybe? |
| 08:00.46 | unfo | on the server machine of course. |
| 08:00.50 | unfo | or do ssh -vvv |
| 08:01.04 | unfo | or use lsh-server, i find it better anyway. |
| 08:01.25 | Razva | /var/log/sshd: No such file or directory |
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| 08:01.41 | unfo | dunno where it's kept. |
| 08:01.48 | Razva | yeah, locating it |
| 08:01.59 | unfo | Razva: maybe inside messages or syslog. |
| 08:02.09 | Razva | I've read messages, nothing... |
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| 08:02.34 | unfo | Razva: or you could try running ethereal to see if the connection is closed properly... it sounds difficult to do tho |
| 08:02.47 | unfo | Razva: does it happen with a different client machine? |
| 08:02.51 | Razva | just a sec...he disconnected me again... |
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| 08:02.54 | unfo | with a different server machine? |
| 08:03.01 | unfo | with putty(1) as your client? |
| 08:03.09 | unfo | with lsh-server as your ssh server? |
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| 08:03.20 | unfo | "he" disconnected u? |
| 08:03.27 | Razva | the machine/server |
| 08:03.48 | unfo | Razva: oh, "it". |
| 08:04.03 | Razva | it justs works VERY well and than just poof, stops responding... |
| 08:04.18 | unfo | Razva: bad connection? |
| 08:04.32 | Razva | nope, if I try another server works just fine... |
| 08:04.53 | Razva | hmmm...how can I list all crond jobs? |
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| 08:06.18 | unfo | aha! startx now works! |
| 08:06.26 | Razva | because I have a cron job that's executing a program that doesn't even exists no more... arrrgh, I forgot the command.... |
| 08:06.28 | unfo | it was easy in retrospect. |
| 08:06.39 | unfo | Razva: try www.google.com :) |
| 08:06.50 | Razva | yeah, doing that :P |
| 08:07.23 | chaizzilla | ah bummer, hnb is bein wierd, maybe it's not what i been lookin fer all my life |
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| 08:07.58 | unfo | Razva: i recommend "Essential System Administration" by Aeleen Frisch (O'Reilly and Associates, Sebastopol, CA) for UNIX in general. |
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| 08:08.27 | unfo | I don't know a good Linux-specifix one though. |
| 08:08.29 | unfo | anyone? |
| 08:08.43 | unfo | chaizzilla: hnb? |
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| 08:10.05 | Razva | May 9 11:05:01 lan /USR/SBIN/CRON[5114]: (www-data) CMD (/usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>&1) <- ok, but when I wanna -l the crontab he tells me he doesn't has any files and no crontabs... |
| 08:10.16 | Razva | but it's obviouse he runs something... |
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| 08:10.52 | unfo | Razva: in english you say "it" not "he" for referring to non-humans. :) |
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| 08:11.04 | artefact | Tolimar: are you there ? |
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| 08:11.21 | chaizzilla | heirarchichal notebook, it was kinna neat, exactly what i was looking for & hoping to not have to code |
| 08:11.22 | Razva | yeah, you'r right :) |
| 08:11.28 | jm_ | Razva: it's probably set somewhere in /etc/cron*, not in /var/spool/cron |
| 08:11.38 | unfo | chaizzilla: cool, an outliner? |
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| 08:13.47 | Razva | aha, found IT :) now I just just...delete the file in order to stop IT run? |
| 08:13.55 | unfo | Razva: what file? |
| 08:14.07 | Razva | /etc/cron.d - cacti |
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| 08:14.24 | unfo | Razva: better to move to your trash folder just in case. |
| 08:14.40 | Razva | yeah :) |
| 08:14.55 | artefact | Tolimar: I'm the wormux package guy... |
| 08:15.02 | qpt | Hey. I'm trying to get Debian to recognize my external USB wireless network. I have to caution you, I'm an idiot when it comes to (a) networking and (b) Debian. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 08:15.06 | Razva | ok, but isn't there any "command" to do this, because just deleting stuff it's not as clean as executing commands most of the time... |
| 08:15.11 | unfo | !memoserv |
| 08:15.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, memoserv is a bot allowing IRC users to send short messages to other IRC users, whether they are online at the time or not. /msg memoserv help |
| 08:15.46 | unfo | qpt: are you friends with a local Linux expert? |
| 08:16.09 | Razva | if I read the "cacti" file - */5 * * * * www-data /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>&1 <- the command I wanna stop executing |
| 08:16.11 | qpt | unfo: Is it going to be that bad? |
| 08:16.22 | qpt | Yes I am but for practicality reasons he cannot assist. |
| 08:16.25 | unfo | qpt: the problem is there's no way to tell in advance. :) |
| 08:16.34 | jm_ | why do you want to delete that? |
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| 08:16.42 | Razva | so I should just "delete/move" the "cacti" file or is there any way to just stop executing it? |
| 08:17.07 | unfo | qpt: try it yourself w/google help, if you need more help ask here, if you're still stuck then STOP and ask your local Linux User Group for free in-person help. :) |
| 08:17.27 | unfo | good luck all |
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| 08:17.30 | qpt | Okay thanks. |
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| 08:21.26 | tkrieger | hi |
| 08:21.41 | avtobiff | hello |
| 08:22.06 | tkrieger | i am the first time here and hope you can propably help me |
| 08:22.17 | tkrieger | i have an problem with my postfix daemon |
| 08:22.38 | tkrieger | i use debian etch and made an upgrade this morning |
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| 08:23.31 | tkrieger | since this upgrade no user is known by postfix every mail i try to send gets an unknow user error |
| 08:24.11 | tkrieger | i use postfix and pam is extended with ldap support so in the sldap log files you can see he searches for the user postfix every time i send an mail |
| 08:24.17 | tkrieger | but this user never exists |
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| 08:27.11 | tkrieger | i also got an "i hav no name!@server$" when i log in with ssh |
| 08:27.26 | qpt | If I have a plug-n-play network adapter, will Debian recognize it automatically or do I have to load it in in some way? |
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| 08:29.10 | Sonderblade | what do you need to setup so that you can get completion on the second word in bash? like "whereis start-stop-dae<tab>" |
| 08:29.12 | joeyrs | hi |
| 08:30.02 | Maddogg | hiz |
| 08:30.53 | jm_ | Sonderblade: read .bashrc |
| 08:31.37 | Sonderblade | jm_: i have |
| 08:31.45 | Maddogg | it is possible to order the output of an order for example "lsof" by size of the file descending ? |
| 08:32.04 | jm_ | Sonderblade: so did you let it source bash_completion? |
| 08:32.47 | Sonderblade | jm_: that wasn't in my .bashrc, but i know what you mean now, thanks |
| 08:33.08 | jm_ | Sonderblade: it is in /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 08:33.39 | jm_ | then again, not sure if it can handle start-stop-daemon |
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| 08:36.41 | sandman | Is there a firewall manager available that's as user-friendly as "Windows Firewall"? |
| 08:38.11 | jetscreamer | !info lokkit |
| 08:38.18 | dpkg | lokkit: (basic interactive firewall configuration tool (console interface)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.50.22-6 (sid), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 08:38.19 | jetscreamer | don't let it install gnome-lokkit |
| 08:38.36 | jetscreamer | unless you like gnome |
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| 08:42.47 | Bear_DK | how do I make Debian list the packages installed with apt-get? |
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| 08:43.13 | jetscreamer | the second part of !reinstall functions |
| 08:43.19 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 08:43.31 | jetscreamer | dpkg -L or something i forget |
| 08:43.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching or something i forget |
| 08:43.38 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 08:44.01 | Maddogg | it is possible to order the output of an order for example "lsof" by size of the file descending ? |
| 08:44.06 | Eclipser | dpkg -l |
| 08:44.35 | jetscreamer | with perl anything is possible |
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| 08:46.10 | sandman | Why doesn't apt-get -t testing source wine work like apt-get -t unstable install wine? |
| 08:46.16 | errno_signal | hi guys, does anybody know the current state of nvidia-kernel-source in Etch? |
| 08:46.22 | sandman | That is, why does it not appear to listen to the flags when I tell it what distro to aim for. |
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| 08:46.39 | errno_signal | it also appears that nvidia-glx is missing in Etch |
| 08:46.55 | sandman | errno_signal: Isn't that a non-free thing? |
| 08:46.56 | jetscreamer | errno_signal: it used to conflict, guess it still does |
| 08:47.09 | errno_signal | sandman: yes |
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| 08:48.03 | errno_signal | jetscreamer: prior to it's disappearance, it allowed me to use twinview with my dual-monitor setup |
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| 08:48.16 | errno_signal | jetscreamer: do you know if there's a way for me to get the same functionality with the standard 'nv'? |
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| 08:48.52 | n00bz0rz | anyone ever get w0w to work on debian?? |
| 08:49.06 | jetscreamer | no i don't know. you can 'probably' use the packages from sid , but like i said, i don't know. (i use the nvidia.run) |
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| 08:49.40 | Eclipser | estimate, how long does it take to get vim7 in sid? :) |
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| 08:50.33 | qpt | so its obvious that i need to rapidly become a linux expert |
| 08:50.36 | qpt | just to fucking get online |
| 08:50.39 | qpt | do you guys honestly expect to gain any marketshare |
| 08:50.44 | errno_signal | jetscreamer: does that permit direct accel? |
| 08:50.44 | qpt | by making everything such a pain in the ass? |
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| 08:50.50 | n00bz0rz | lmfao |
| 08:50.57 | errno_signal | jetscreamer: and how hard would that be to use? |
| 08:51.00 | greenhorn | why does apt-get want me to install exim4 when I try to install postgres |
| 08:51.01 | Eclipser | qpt, who's looking for a market share? |
| 08:51.01 | qpt | good luck guys. hope you aren't too disappointed when your little dreams are shattered. |
| 08:51.11 | greenhorn | I am trying to create a minimal install |
| 08:51.17 | qpt | Eclipser: fine, user share is what i should have said. Pedantry at its finest. |
| 08:51.22 | greenhorn | and it wants to install all this useless stuff |
| 08:51.34 | peterS | qpt: talk is cheap, what have you done to improve open source software lately? to make it, you know, actually easy for people like yourself to use |
| 08:51.55 | Eclipser | qpt, even debian automatically connects you to the internet :) |
| 08:52.15 | qpt | peterS: do you understand that I cannot even get this piece of shit to recognize my network adapter? And when I ask for help (in ##linux) people start using words that I have no idea what they mean? |
| 08:52.16 | Eclipser | assuming of course that you don't have hardware which was invented yesterday or today |
| 08:52.29 | qpt | peterS: And now you are putting ME in MY place because I'M not making open source better?? |
| 08:52.47 | Eclipser | qpt, mind telling us what network adapter that is |
| 08:52.48 | qpt | peterS: Do you REALLY REALLY want me - an obvious incompetent - to work on open source software? Think for a change before you start your traditional whining. |
| 08:52.58 | peterS | qpt: no. I'm putting you in your place because you're whining |
| 08:53.00 | n00bz0rz | man, this making me not want to install debian lmao |
| 08:53.06 | n00bz0rz | My geek hand is weak |
| 08:53.30 | Maddogg | how can i download with a sarge this package?: http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/procinfo |
| 08:53.34 | qpt | Eclipser: Yeah its a Linksys Wireless-G USB Network Adapter. |
| 08:53.52 | Eclipser | USB.. |
| 08:53.55 | qpt | Yeah. |
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| 08:54.09 | n00bz0rz | does linux support usb or is that like mac? |
| 08:54.28 | Eclipser | n00bz0rz, of course it does support usb |
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| 08:54.30 | peterS | n00bz0rz: it supports USB devices in cases where the vendor has decided that Linux support is worth their while |
| 08:54.32 | unfo | n00bz0rz: it supports usb. what is your device? a mouse? a printer? a webcam? |
| 08:54.42 | n00bz0rz | an mp3 player |
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| 08:54.48 | unfo | n00bz0rz: youre fine. |
| 08:54.50 | jetscreamer | errno_signal: the .run is kinda messed up interacting with xorg7 for sid atm, i meant you can probably use the nvidia-glx packages from sid for your etch. but i'm not sure. |
| 08:54.54 | n00bz0rz | zen creative has linux attachments on their site so I was like <3 |
| 08:54.55 | unfo | hi all, how's gcc-2.95's speed compared to gcc-4.0.3? |
| 08:55.02 | Eclipser | qpt, to my knowledge, you need ndiswrapper for wlan |
| 08:55.11 | qpt | ndiswrapper? |
| 08:55.13 | peterS | unfo: try it. better yet, try gcc 4.1, it's supposed to be a bit faster |
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| 08:55.29 | Eclipser | !tell qpt -about ndiswrapper |
| 08:55.33 | unfo | i'm compiling wine to try to hack on it and was told it's 3 hours to compile. :/ |
| 08:55.34 | jm_ | you will find the answer to your gcc question in LKML archives ;) |
| 08:55.51 | errno_signal | jetscreamer: ah, thanks. I found http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:XgN61PlWECsJ:www.2cpu.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D73281%26goto%3Dnextoldest+debian+%22nvidia.run%22&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=5&client=firefox |
| 08:56.02 | n00bz0rz | I'm about to ask a really retarded question here, I've burned all the debian cd's and such, but I don't know how to delete windows except for that run command.. |
| 08:56.11 | errno_signal | jetscreamer: sorry for the obscenely long link, only google cache shows the forum thread properly |
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| 08:56.36 | peterS | unfo: nothing is as fast as gcc 2.95 anymore ... but gcc 4 is apparently starting to regain lost ground from gcc 3 in that regard |
| 08:56.42 | qpt | Eclipser: So I type this: [01:56] *dpkg* [ndiswrapper one-liner] apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 08:56.46 | qpt | err sorry |
| 08:56.49 | unfo | n00bz0rz: don't feel bad, but know that Debian users expect you to Search The Fine Web before asking ANY question. :) |
| 08:56.55 | qpt | what's ndiswrapper source? |
| 08:57.11 | unfo | qpt: did you try it? |
| 08:57.13 | unfo | :) |
| 08:57.33 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i is shorthand |
| 08:57.33 | qpt | i have to reboot every goddamn time i want to try |
| 08:57.33 | jetscreamer | module assistant and something |
| 08:57.37 | qpt | and it takes about 5 minutes for debian to load |
| 08:57.39 | peterS | qpt: ndiswrapper is a horrible hack that allows you to use certain Windows drivers in your Linux kernel. the drivers of interest are things like Wireless-G adapters whose vendors think Linux is not worth supporting for real |
| 08:57.58 | qpt | peterS and linksys is one of those vendors I'm guessing? |
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| 08:58.01 | unfo | n00bz0rz: also, if you don't get an answer, always rephrase your question better before re-asking, |
| 08:58.18 | unfo | n00bz0rz: so whats your question again? :) |
| 08:58.19 | Eclipser | qpt, google said "no linux support", so yeah |
| 08:58.23 | fusQuanto | anyone know how to make the "<" and ">" appear around nicks in a channel (not userlist) in xchat? |
| 08:58.32 | qpt | ok |
| 08:58.36 | qpt | well that sucks |
| 08:58.38 | unfo | qpt: why not just buy one of the recommended wifi cards? |
| 08:58.39 | n00bz0rz | how to delete windows to install debian, my d0s skills are weak |
| 08:58.44 | jetscreamer | fusQuanto: they are. all i know. |
| 08:58.47 | unfo | fusQuanto: try channel #xchat |
| 08:59.03 | jetscreamer | n00bz0rz: you should be very sure you want to delete windows |
| 08:59.06 | n00bz0rz | I feel stupid, I work at tech support but don't know how to delete windows aside from software and other random ways |
| 08:59.11 | qpt | unfo: because, once i get this working, I am never, EVER EVER going to change anything because its obvious its too much work to do the simpler things unless you have memorized an 800 page manual. |
| 08:59.12 | Agrajag- | if i have modified a small part of a kernel module, what's the best way to build it and load it into my current kernel, The Debian Way? |
| 08:59.21 | unfo | n00bz0rz: if you are sure, just run the debian installer, it can repartition for you. |
| 08:59.22 | n00bz0rz | I have everything backed up in case anything goes wrong |
| 08:59.30 | jetscreamer | n00bz0rz: what unfo said |
| 08:59.41 | qpt | Eclipser: [apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper <-- is this what i type? |
| 08:59.47 | errno_signal | n00bz0rz: wipe out the entire contents of the drive |
| 08:59.49 | peterS | qpt: the 800 page manual you're running into right now is due to your having bought hardware that doesn't support Linux. the best you can do is hack around it with something like ndiswrapper. most things are not that way, these days. |
| 09:00.04 | unfo | n00bz0rz: choose the, um, "Delete everything on the disk" option. Warning! If you have 2 disks, do not choose the wrong one! :) |
| 09:00.15 | n00bz0rz | oh yes! i see that unfo! |
| 09:00.16 | qpt | for the ndiswrapper-source i just point to the windows .dll or something? |
| 09:00.19 | n00bz0rz | it's in the control pannel! |
| 09:00.25 | unfo | n00bz0rz: control panel??????? |
| 09:00.30 | n00bz0rz | t'was a joke. |
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| 09:00.38 | jetscreamer | n00bz0rz: you're supposed to boot the install cd |
| 09:00.39 | peterS | qpt: something like that, but I don't know the details because I don't have that sort of hardware where I'd need it |
| 09:00.40 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 09:00.42 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 09:00.47 | qpt | okay |
| 09:00.55 | qpt | so suppose I have this ndiswrapper all done and everything |
| 09:00.56 | qpt | so now what? |
| 09:01.06 | errno_signal | n00bz0rz: so, what's with the '0' replacing 'o' |
| 09:01.07 | unfo | jm_: is wine likely to even support 2.95? |
| 09:01.10 | qpt | do i have to type that up every single time i load linux? |
| 09:01.19 | jetscreamer | hook a cable up lose the wireless |
| 09:01.22 | unfo | errno_signal: he's showing he's l33t :) |
| 09:01.23 | n00bz0rz | eh. too much gaming for me errno. |
| 09:01.49 | stoned | n00bz0rz, lol what a nick |
| 09:01.49 | errno_signal | heh |
| 09:01.54 | unfo | errno_signal: can i ask: what's the _signal in your name? |
| 09:01.57 | n00bz0rz | an honest one..:P |
| 09:02.01 | peterS | qpt: honestly, getting ndiswrapper running with your network chip will be the hardest part of configuring your machine. most things really are a lot simpler. |
| 09:02.18 | unfo | qpt: can I ask? are you a student or working? |
| 09:02.19 | qpt | Okay well the first obvious question is: how do I mount my windows partition in Linux? |
| 09:02.24 | qpt | unfo: I am a student. |
| 09:02.29 | errno_signal | unfo: the whole copyright infringement case in Utah |
| 09:02.37 | errno_signal | errno.h, signal.h |
| 09:03.03 | unfo | qpt: at a refurbished computer equipment store you can get a different 802.11b card for $10. |
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| 09:03.19 | unfo | errno_signal: link please? |
| 09:03.35 | errno_signal | unfo: http://www.caldera.com/scosource/abi_files_letter_20031219.pdf |
| 09:03.38 | errno_signal | ;) |
| 09:03.55 | unfo | ah, a "direct" link :) |
| 09:04.19 | qpt | well i'm not working at the moment so i am trying to conserve money |
| 09:04.23 | errno_signal | though i guess you could read my nick as "err, no signal" |
| 09:04.34 | unfo | qpt: or www.freecycle.org to request one for free |
| 09:04.41 | qpt | are you kidding me? |
| 09:04.42 | unfo | )(*^*^%&*^$(^&(*NO CARRIE |
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| 09:04.48 | errno_signal | heh |
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| 09:04.57 | unfo | it is not a joke. |
| 09:05.02 | unfo | !freecycle |
| 09:05.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, freecycle is a set of mailing lists where you can give away things (including old hardware) for free or get things for free. get more info at freecycle.org. |
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| 09:05.25 | qpt | wow that's pretty cool |
| 09:05.34 | unfo | i know, its recycling the fun way. :) |
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| 09:06.27 | n00bz0rz | does anyone know the command to delete hd contents? |
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| 09:06.39 | n00bz0rz | i wanna install :D |
| 09:06.40 | errno_signal | win |
| 09:06.52 | errno_signal | windows.com |
| 09:06.57 | errno_signal | ah, i forget the rest |
| 09:07.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:07.04 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:07.07 | unfo | losedows.con |
| 09:07.10 | errno_signal | i think win was a batchfile, though |
| 09:07.11 | n00bz0rz | lmfao |
| 09:07.14 | unfo | tarzeau: why? |
| 09:07.26 | qpt | all right guys i'm going to call it a night i guess |
| 09:07.32 | qpt | thanks for being patient, even when i was being an asshole |
| 09:07.34 | qpt | later |
| 09:07.42 | unfo | n00bz0rz: it's actually rotfl instead. :) |
| 09:08.35 | Eclipser | n00bz0rz, if you want to wipe out everything and install debian, just use debians installer to repartition and remake the filesystems |
| 09:08.54 | n00bz0rz | oh..k |
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| 09:09.00 | n00bz0rz | sorry for n00bness. bbl when i have debian |
| 09:09.02 | n00bz0rz | thanks. |
| 09:09.08 | Eclipser | but don't come whining to us when you miss some data :) |
| 09:09.14 | n00bz0rz | backed everything up |
| 09:09.15 | n00bz0rz | ;D |
| 09:09.23 | unfo | n00bz0rz: mind if I PM you? |
| 09:09.24 | n00bz0rz | took like 40 cds.. O_O |
| 09:09.27 | n00bz0rz | sure go on/ |
| 09:09.29 | Eclipser | on every backup there's some loss of data :> |
| 09:09.30 | unfo | n00bz0rz: use a dvd |
| 09:09.35 | Eclipser | :p |
| 09:09.51 | n00bz0rz | some porn maybe |
| 09:09.56 | n00bz0rz | :P |
| 09:10.37 | jetscreamer | i fixed it in that length of time also |
| 09:10.48 | jetscreamer | well actually i had to use somebody's script |
| 09:10.55 | unfo | actually, i'll say it out loud. |
| 09:10.58 | unfo | if you have trouble getting easy, quick answers from debian irc, then use ubuntu instead. it's less powerful but the community is more patient of noobs. |
| 09:11.18 | unfo | especially ones who don't Search the Fine Web before asking questions. :) |
| 09:11.19 | Eclipser | because they're noobs :p |
| 09:11.29 | jetscreamer | go hang in #ubuntu and see if you can stand it first |
| 09:11.30 | Eclipser | (kidding) |
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| 09:11.53 | threat | I like ubuntu |
| 09:12.07 | unfo | me too. |
| 09:12.24 | unfo | but Debian's bug tracking and cleanliness are far better. |
| 09:12.43 | unfo | and Debian users are more knowledgeable. |
| 09:12.44 | threat | yep, I also like Debian :) |
| 09:13.03 | threat | and slackware |
| 09:13.09 | threat | and I wouldnt mind trying out gentoo |
| 09:13.30 | yage | i need to create a centralized syslog, i produce about 5 gigabytes per day, i need to keep them for 3 years, and i need to let users search them with (allowing me to define which device can be viewed by a user), i suppose syslogng is good for the backend, but, what i need for the frontend (web)? and, is mysql or postgre able to handle a 15 terabyte table or should i use text files with logrotate? |
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| 09:15.16 | unfo | yage: sounds like a good question for the debian-user mailing list. :) |
| 09:16.37 | unfo | the channel |
| 09:16.44 | unfo | is quiet at night. |
| 09:17.36 | kreg_dcdi | anyone know what to modprobe for this audio hardware? |
| 09:17.36 | kreg_dcdi | Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 09:17.54 | yage | unfo, here is 11 at the morning |
| 09:18.21 | unfo | yage: ah. :) maybe try #suse then? :) |
| 09:18.36 | unfo | or #debian-fr or similar? |
| 09:19.14 | unfo | kreg_dcdi: snd_intel8x0 maybe? |
| 09:19.28 | unfo | it sounds like an i810-style motherboard. |
| 09:19.55 | unfo | kreg_dcdi: maybe alsaconf or discover could help you autodetect though. |
| 09:19.56 | kreg_dcdi | it is, i just not sure why i can't find it in /lib/modules/. haven't tried this motherboard just yet |
| 09:20.30 | unfo | or Google. :) |
| 09:20.56 | kreg_dcdi | heh ya been googlin |
| 09:21.06 | kreg_dcdi | haven't ever heard of alsaconf or discover before |
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| 09:21.48 | jetscreamer | that's cuz they're basically deprecated, or getting there |
| 09:21.49 | unfo | kreg_dcdi: theyre great. sudo apt-get install discover |
| 09:21.59 | unfo | sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 09:22.03 | unfo | jetscreamer: really? |
| 09:22.33 | jetscreamer | well they're using udev and hotplug nowadays, and the alsa is in the kernel. |
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| 09:23.02 | kreg_dcdi | unfo, checkin them out |
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| 09:23.43 | unfo | kreg_dcdi: cool, let me know |
| 09:24.24 | jetscreamer | discover used to want to load oss sound modules before it would want to load alsa modules and you had to blacklist the oss ones. not sure about nowadays. |
| 09:24.32 | Azuos001 | Hi, I have just bougth a Centrino Dual Core and I would like to know which distribution would support this machine, it is a toshiba A100-163. Who could help, please? |
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| 09:24.51 | nota-free | hi, i'm running like 20 bots from 1 shell user called hosting, and the bots are in dir: /home/hosting/kunder/nameHERE/ and the strange thing is, they get ident "shell" i have setup oidentd with both username shell and hosting, and still it just haves the ident "shell" any idea what i should do ? |
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| 09:25.13 | jetscreamer | i don't want to know why you run 20 bots |
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| 09:25.30 | nota-free | for my costemers :) |
| 09:25.58 | nota-free | nothing lame about it, hehe |
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| 09:27.18 | unfo | Wine build complete. |
| 09:27.19 | unfo | $ |
| 09:27.22 | unfo | finally! :) |
| 09:27.38 | unfo | Azuos001: Debian Stable 3.1 |
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| 09:28.00 | f00li5h | speaking of wining... is there a way to just boot the newinstall iso from grub? |
| 09:28.04 | unfo | Azuos001: get the "i386" version. |
| 09:28.04 | sciboy | Hey guys, got my friends botched computer sitting next to me. |
| 09:28.17 | sciboy | It doesn't appear to be booting up. |
| 09:28.36 | Azuos001 | unfo: do I need to recompile the kernel to work there? |
| 09:28.40 | unfo | sciboy: sorry to hear. :( |
| 09:28.42 | f00li5h | sciboy: any messages? |
| 09:28.42 | unfo | Azuos001: no. |
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| 09:28.51 | sciboy | No recognisable HD or CD activity, screen doesn't come on either. |
| 09:29.03 | f00li5h | sciboy: power plug? |
| 09:29.11 | Azuos001 | I tried to run a cd live (kurumin) and it stopped, do you know why? |
| 09:29.22 | sciboy | f00li5h, Everything is getting power though. |
| 09:29.29 | Azuos001 | unfo: I would like to see it working before installing |
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| 09:29.37 | f00li5h | sciboy: swap the video card, and listen for beep codes |
| 09:29.38 | sciboy | I think it might be the motherboard. =( |
| 09:30.00 | f00li5h | sciboy: beep codes. |
| 09:30.02 | sciboy | f00li5h, We already tested it with lots of different cards, no difference. |
| 09:30.11 | sciboy | f00li5h, Yeah, i'll remove it and listen out. |
| 09:30.14 | unfo | Azuos001: are you willing to pay $50 for the service? |
| 09:30.29 | f00li5h | unfo: it'd have to be a service to remember... |
| 09:30.35 | unfo | har har har |
| 09:31.11 | f00li5h | unfo: i've never seen anyone successfully laugh sarcastically on rc until this moment. well domne |
| 09:31.19 | unfo | thanks :) |
| 09:31.20 | Azuos001 | unfo: to pay? why? for whom? |
| 09:31.37 | unfo | Azuos001: You want to see it successfully working before installing. |
| 09:31.54 | unfo | Azuos001: You make it sound like you're a corporate purchasing agent. |
| 09:32.00 | Azuos001 | unfo: I wanna see a cdlive working before installing |
| 09:32.22 | unfo | Azuos001: Therefore I as a technology professional am willing to set things up for you for $50. |
| 09:32.24 | sciboy | f00li5h, No beaps. |
| 09:32.30 | sciboy | f00li5h, beeps* at all |
| 09:32.39 | Azuos001 | unfo: I didn't mean I run windowish, did I? |
| 09:32.43 | unfo | Azuos001: then try the Ubuntu livecd, Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
| 09:32.47 | unfo | Azuos001: ? |
| 09:32.59 | f00li5h | sciboy: have you a speaker attached? |
| 09:33.02 | sciboy | f00li5h, He said it happened when he removed a usb plug from the back the screen went blank. |
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| 09:33.04 | jetscreamer | kanotix is the best livecd i've seen so far. #kanotix |
| 09:33.12 | sciboy | f00li5h, One sec, my subwoofer should be sufficient. |
| 09:34.00 | f00li5h | sciboy: ok,, but you may have trouble with it's highend responce |
| 09:35.05 | unfo | Azuos001: (when you say "I wanna see a cdlive working before installing" you imply you want to spend $$$.) |
| 09:35.08 | sciboy | f00li5h, No beep. =| |
| 09:35.15 | azeem | unfo: no |
| 09:35.28 | unfo | Azuos001: (if you don't want to, say "is there a way to see a cdlive working before installing?"). |
| 09:35.49 | sciboy | f00li5h, I plugged my speakers into the on-board audio and got no response when starting up without a video card. |
| 09:35.50 | unfo | azeem: now I realize. :) |
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| 09:37.32 | Azuos001 | unfo: I am sure you know what you are doing, it is not a corporative channel, but most of us are professional. sorry about the miscommunication |
| 09:37.37 | jetscreamer | hey who was it that asked about nvidia in etch |
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| 09:38.15 | unfo | Azuos001: dont worry :) i read the words wrong. |
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| 09:39.06 | sciboy | f00li5h, /ping |
| 09:39.09 | sciboy | Whoops |
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| 09:40.41 | kreg_dcdi | unfo, ok i have the modules loaded for i810, but shouldn't i have a /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer? |
| 09:40.42 | TraceGreen | hello, my custom kernel can not detect sata, although i compile all SATA* to kernel, my kernel is 2.6.14, why? |
| 09:41.05 | kreg_dcdi | don't have an alsaconf command yet either |
| 09:41.07 | f00li5h | sciboy: hrm? |
| 09:41.09 | unfo | TraceGreen: doe |
| 09:41.15 | sciboy | f00li5h, No beep. =| |
| 09:41.24 | TraceGreen | unfo, what do you mean? |
| 09:41.30 | unfo | kreg_dcdi: sudo apt-get install |
| 09:41.37 | unfo | alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 09:41.50 | unfo | TraceGreen: doesn't |
| 09:41.53 | kreg_dcdi | hrmp, tried that. let me double check |
| 09:41.57 | f00li5h | sciboy: mash the keyboard constantly, from power up onwards. if there's no beep, go grab an ond PII and try your stuff in it |
| 09:42.20 | unfo | TraceGreen: do any of your hard disks work at all, e.g. for booting the OS? |
| 09:42.36 | sciboy | f00li5h, The HD, CD and Video are working perfectly. |
| 09:42.42 | TraceGreen | unfo, I think my harddisk is ok. |
| 09:42.51 | unfo | TraceGreen: so? |
| 09:42.55 | f00li5h | sciboy: we're don here, your board is shot. |
| 09:43.19 | marco13185 | TraceGreen, he means can your kernel boot off your root partition |
| 09:43.35 | sciboy | f00li5h, Since he said that it happened when yanking a usb out, i checked but the on-board modules are pretty securely attached. |
| 09:43.52 | TraceGreen | unfo, no |
| 09:44.05 | kreg_dcdi | brb |
| 09:44.06 | unfo | TraceGreen: what? |
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| 09:44.50 | f00li5h | sciboy: if it's not booting, and not beeping, it's done for. |
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| 09:45.11 | f00li5h | sciboy: i presume you've checked that everything is seated right, and that all the power connectores are in right |
| 09:45.39 | unfo | sciboy: hold down Control, Alt, Shift, and at least 5 letter keys while booting. see if the keyboard LEDs even blink. |
| 09:46.06 | sciboy | f00li5h, I'm not familiar enough with this brand and series of motherboard to do a detailed checkup, but most of it appears right. |
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| 09:47.02 | sciboy | The keyboard flashes the caps etc. when you plug it in, but do not respond upon bashing the living shit out of it. |
| 09:47.15 | unfo | sciboy: oh. :( |
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| 09:47.45 | unfo | does it blink once on power-on and again 20 seconds later after the POST? |
| 09:47.55 | unfo | s/POST// |
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| 09:48.31 | kreg_dcdi | unfo, almost. gnome is playing desktop soundfx, but xmms is saying make sure plugins are good and nothing is interfering. |
| 09:48.43 | Chigvan | hi, can anyone tell me how to split files with Rar please? |
| 09:48.48 | sciboy | unfo, Nope. |
| 09:48.54 | unfo | sciboy: oh :( |
| 09:49.10 | unfo | Chigvan: why in this day and age would anyone have to use rar? |
| 09:49.14 | f00li5h | sciboy: i bet it's waiting for you to press F1 to continue |
| 09:49.16 | sciboy | Sucks cause this is a nice machine and my friend wants to sell it to me for $300 fixed or not. |
| 09:49.17 | unfo | :) |
| 09:49.26 | Chigvan | unfo, what else can I use? |
| 09:49.26 | sciboy | f00li5h, Heh, tried that already. =P |
| 09:49.39 | unfo | Chigvan: Ethernet? |
| 09:49.42 | f00li5h | sciboy: did you try setting it on fire? |
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| 09:49.54 | f00li5h | sciboy: well, take it. |
| 09:50.02 | f00li5h | sciboy: then sell the parts on ebay |
| 09:50.04 | unfo | "lp0: on fire" |
| 09:50.14 | sciboy | f00li5h, thing is, i actually need a machine. |
| 09:50.27 | sciboy | f00li5h, It wouldn't cost too much to replace the motherboard aswell? |
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| 09:51.21 | sciboy | f00li5h, P4 3ghz, 2gig of RAM, Nvidia Geforce FX 5200, 60 Gig SATA. Whole lot better than my laptop which overheats after a few minutes of rendering. D= |
| 09:52.05 | f00li5h | sciboy: bboard, about $150 or so |
| 09:52.15 | f00li5h | depending... |
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| 09:52.34 | f00li5h | (particularly on your currency, proximity to asia, and who you can leech off) |
| 09:52.39 | sciboy | f00li5h, This is a gigabyte motherboard. |
| 09:53.38 | f00li5h | sciboy: i really don'nt know i've only brought laptops in the past ages (and they were both pII ~700) |
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| 09:54.05 | sciboy | f00li5h, ... It's not comforting that i just found another user complaining about having a dead motherboard of the same series and brand. |
| 09:55.12 | f00li5h | sciboy: hope they geet recalled |
| 09:55.20 | f00li5h | sciboy: or hope that it's the mate of yours |
| 09:55.34 | yage | i need to do tape backup on a ultrium drive, i need to backup just the local filesystem, what should i use? |
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| 09:57.42 | f00li5h | yage: the only one i know is amanda, so i'll say that |
| 09:58.54 | f00li5h | Ok, i'vev forgotten where i downloaded initrd/vmlinuz from, and i can't find it in the documentation (they just link arround in circles -_-) |
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| 10:00.00 | ankur | where i can get the updates of debian 3.1r1 sarge stable |
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| 10:00.48 | f00li5h | ankur: what sort of updates? |
| 10:00.51 | sobersabre | hi guys, i am looking for advice... direction... |
| 10:01.11 | sobersabre | I looked at: norton ghost, systemimager, and there's something open like ghost |
| 10:01.16 | sobersabre | also at PXE etc. |
| 10:01.50 | f00li5h | sobersabre: and what are you trying to do? |
| 10:02.03 | sobersabre | ideally I'd like to have network boot |
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| 10:02.12 | sobersabre | that will allow |
| 10:02.23 | stephen_ | anyone here know exim? |
| 10:02.24 | f00li5h | yes.... |
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| 10:02.53 | sobersabre | user to choose either win/lin to boot, if I , say poush certain PXE image, or boot the OS I am forcing to load, in other cases |
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| 10:03.23 | sobersabre | the problem is if there is such working solution, or I will have to do lots of hacking. |
| 10:03.27 | f00li5h | sobersabre: you can stick grub [on the box, or on the netboot image] to do that |
| 10:03.40 | sobersabre | OK, so let |
| 10:04.04 | acetech | is debian-32-i386-binary-18.iso the correct file to download for a new installation? |
| 10:04.30 | sobersabre | it be so... |
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| 10:05.17 | sobersabre | So, can push some image with grub in it, and the whole rest of the OS can reside in some image/compressed form somewhere at remote machine? |
| 10:06.08 | jetscreamer | sobersabre: sounds feasable to me, given that the only thing that i haven't seen done is the remoting |
| 10:06.09 | acetech | is binary 18 the only iso image i need to download for a debian installation? |
| 10:06.11 | f00li5h | sobersabre: i have no idea what you mean. you'd have to push a grub image (that then chain loaded onto another netboot with the selected platform) |
| 10:06.16 | tombs | hi all |
| 10:06.23 | f00li5h | s/platform/os/ |
| 10:06.30 | nota-free | hi, i'm running like 20 bots from 1 shell user called hosting, and the bots are in dir: /home/hosting/kunder/nameHERE/ and the strange thing is, they get ident "shell" i have setup oidentd with both username shell and hosting, and still it just haves the ident "shell" any idea what i should do ? |
| 10:06.32 | jetscreamer | acetech: you only need 01 |
| 10:06.35 | f00li5h | hi tombs how's stuff? |
| 10:06.46 | tombs | cool |
| 10:07.01 | acetech | jetscreamer.... should i just choose the one with the highest number? |
| 10:07.01 | f00li5h | nota-free: wh's running all those bots? |
| 10:07.09 | f00li5h | tombs: good stuff |
| 10:07.14 | nota-free | f00li5h: for my costemers |
| 10:07.18 | jetscreamer | acetech: are you trying to do a netinstall or does the box not have internet connection |
| 10:07.19 | f00li5h | acetech: choose the one with the right amount of stability |
| 10:07.27 | f00li5h | nota-free: no, which user is running the bots? |
| 10:07.35 | jetscreamer | acetech: you only need the first cd for an install. 01 |
| 10:07.36 | nota-free | ahh, "hosting" |
| 10:07.42 | nota-free | thats the strange thing |
| 10:07.50 | nota-free | that they get ident shell |
| 10:07.57 | acetech | i would like to do a net-intall |
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| 10:08.03 | jetscreamer | acetech: what kind of cpu. ah ok |
| 10:08.09 | jetscreamer | !tell acetech -about d-i |
| 10:08.12 | f00li5h | nota-free: perhaps you can check that you've set up your fakeident right |
| 10:08.15 | jetscreamer | read the msg from the bot |
| 10:08.26 | jetscreamer | or /msg dpkg d-i if you can't |
| 10:08.34 | nota-free | f00li5h where do i see that? |
| 10:08.42 | f00li5h | !tell me -about d-i |
| 10:08.51 | nota-free | i've setup oidentd right i think |
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| 10:08.53 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg d-i f00li5h |
| 10:08.54 | f00li5h | nota-free: pardon? |
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| 10:09.02 | f00li5h | jetscreamer: it worked |
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| 10:09.51 | jetscreamer | f00li5h: we are in a contest, didn't you know? the person who reduces unneccesary channel content the most wins a date with dpkg |
| 10:10.20 | f00li5h | jetscreamer: fair enough. point taken |
| 10:10.28 | jetscreamer | i can't wait to meet him... :) |
| 10:10.32 | f00li5h | i think she likes me though |
| 10:10.36 | f00li5h | oh. |
| 10:10.53 | nota-free | f00li5h what's pardon? |
| 10:11.03 | f00li5h | nota-free: what's pardon? |
| 10:11.11 | nota-free | (12:08:42) (f00li5h) nota-free: pardon? |
| 10:11.12 | nota-free | :) |
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| 10:11.54 | nota-free | i mean, i could understand if the bots got ident hosting, but "shell" does not make any sence |
| 10:12.18 | f00li5h | nota-free: what environment are you hosting them in? |
| 10:12.43 | nota-free | a danish hosting center, i use ofcouse debian |
| 10:13.02 | nota-free | http://shell6.raidhost.dk/stats |
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| 10:13.02 | nota-free | thats the server |
| 10:13.05 | f00li5h | nota-free: so is it a managed box, or is it just running debian? |
| 10:13.57 | f00li5h | nota-free: your page is a 404. does that mean your server is down? |
| 10:14.04 | nota-free | no, just a sec. |
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| 10:15.05 | f00li5h | ok, ok, joke over someone tell me why i can't make the net install image boot from a hard disk... the installer loads, but it can't find the installer iso. |
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| 10:15.26 | f00li5h | are there things that i have to check in the file naeme of the image? |
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| 10:15.56 | lewis | how do I restore a single database from a 'multi-database' .sql file? is there a standard limit as to how big the .sql files should get to? |
| 10:16.08 | nota-free | f00li5h the server is running fine, don't know why the server script dont wor |
| 10:16.09 | nota-free | k |
| 10:16.10 | nota-free | but |
| 10:16.11 | nota-free | http://nopaste.php-q.net/210968 |
| 10:16.17 | nota-free | here is my oidentd |
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| 10:17.56 | f00li5h | nota-free: it suddenly occurs to me that what you just sent me has no meaning at all to me. |
| 10:18.07 | f00li5h | fi you disable parts of it, do they fall back? |
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| 10:21.03 | unfo | hi all, i just mistakenly typed the following: tar czf ubuntu-deleteme.tar.gz /m/l/* 2>&1 > /home/j/tar_results.txt ; rm -rf /m/l/* ; halt |
| 10:21.25 | unfo | how can I cancel all three ops without the machine going down by the "halt" command? |
| 10:21.43 | Shadur | unfo: kill the shell. |
| 10:21.59 | unfo | you mean C-a k in screen(1)? |
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| 10:22.34 | f00li5h | unfo: that's a hell of a typo |
| 10:22.39 | Shadur | No, I mean C-a C, ps axvf to see which particular bash process that string of commands is running from, and kill -9 'ing it. |
| 10:22.50 | unfo | f00li5h: not a typo, just the "halt" was a mistake. |
| 10:23.08 | unfo | cool, I |
| 10:23.15 | unfo | cool, I'll try it. thanks. |
| 10:23.22 | f00li5h | unfo: chmod -x `which halt` |
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| 10:23.42 | unfo | f00li5h: cool! didnt think of that. even better. |
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| 10:25.12 | f00li5h | unfo: you could mv `which halt ` /tmp; |
| 10:25.31 | f00li5h | and then put your new commands in a shell script where halt aws |
| 10:25.37 | unfo | (as soon as the machine would go down all the permissions in my Wine build tree would be lost. I have to move it first. :) ) |
| 10:26.46 | unfo | f00li5h: i could, but it seems like overkill. chmod -x $(which halt) is better as it's self-documenting. |
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| 10:27.17 | f00li5h | yeah, you're right... |
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| 10:28.01 | unfo | this is my secondary machine, but i still should buy a bigger hard disk for it. |
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| 10:28.33 | f00li5h | unfo: yeah, that happens sometimes |
| 10:28.42 | lewis | how do I restore a single database from a 'multi-database' .sql file? is there a standard limit as to how big the .sql files should get to? |
| 10:29.30 | sobersabre | f00li5h, im back |
| 10:29.31 | f00li5h | sobersabre: away house type chors |
| 10:29.48 | sobersabre | type chors ?! |
| 10:30.04 | sobersabre | f00li5h what do you mean? |
| 10:30.10 | unfo | chores |
| 10:30.23 | sobersabre | chores... who are they ? :) |
| 10:30.24 | unfo | chars? |
| 10:30.37 | sobersabre | a is distant from o.... |
| 10:30.38 | unfo | !typecast me |
| 10:30.56 | sobersabre | anyway, i still haven't explained myself. |
| 10:30.57 | unfo | !beer f00li5h Shadur |
| 10:31.28 | sobersabre | i know of local booting: grub loads things from local hard disk. |
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| 10:31.54 | sobersabre | i know of network boot: |
| 10:32.08 | Sonderblade | how do you upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6? |
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| 10:32.21 | unfo | Sonderblade: may I ask? why do you want to? |
| 10:32.21 | jm_ | install 2.6 kernel |
| 10:32.27 | gypsymauro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.36 | bibe | hi all. I can't kill an "eject" process (tried with kill PID, kill -9 PID, pkill eject, pkill -9 eject), what else can I do to kill the damned process? |
| 10:32.50 | sobersabre | user doesn't have any control over booting. pxe boots, and then some small image is loaded, which after the boot, loads /mounts etc the rest of the system |
| 10:32.53 | unfo | gypsymauro: you typed a space by accident before the word "/msg". |
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| 10:33.09 | zamolxes | vim7 where art thou |
| 10:33.17 | gypsymauro | unfo: I saw:) |
| 10:33.21 | Sonderblade | jm_: done so, but grub still loads 2.4 |
| 10:33.22 | unfo | bibe: reboot? :) |
| 10:33.32 | sobersabre | now, I want sometimes to give user ability of choice to load lin/win and sometimes not to give: to force linux only. or windows only. |
| 10:33.36 | unfo | bibe: try killing it as root. |
| 10:33.43 | jm_ | Sonderblade: has it been added to menu.lst? change the default option |
| 10:33.50 | Sonderblade | unfo: just for fun |
| 10:33.56 | sobersabre | is there a convenient way to achieve this ? |
| 10:33.56 | unfo | Sonderblade: ah :) |
| 10:34.01 | bibe | unfo : sure... I was looking for something less "brutal"... and yes, I tried killing that as root too |
| 10:34.12 | unfo | default 0 in grub is the first on the list, 1 is second, 2 is third, etc. :) |
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| 10:34.22 | unfo | bibe: dunno. |
| 10:34.30 | Sonderblade | jm_: should installing a 2.6 kernel do that automatically? |
| 10:34.37 | jm_ | sobersabre: you can simply remove the entries in boot loader config |
| 10:34.38 | bibe | unfo : thanks anyway |
| 10:34.57 | jm_ | Sonderblade: if you mean adding to menu.lst then yes, as long as it hasn't been disabled |
| 10:35.06 | unfo | Sonderblade: are you on an old debian stable? does doing a dist-upgrade fix it for you? |
| 10:35.12 | sobersabre | jm_ ok, let |
| 10:35.19 | sobersabre | us assume I did that |
| 10:35.38 | unfo | bibe: maybe ask in #solaris, they're good with unix too. |
| 10:35.43 | sobersabre | now, the machine is in windows, how do I edit menu.lst from windows ? |
| 10:35.52 | Sonderblade | unfo: im on debian unstable |
| 10:36.03 | sobersabre | jm_ :) ideas ? |
| 10:36.04 | unfo | Sonderblade: oh. :( |
| 10:36.05 | Sonderblade | jm_: for some reason it wasn't added to menu.lst |
| 10:36.36 | unfo | sobersabre: rebooting into linux is the easiest way to edit it. |
| 10:36.41 | unfo | gnight all |
| 10:36.43 | jm_ | sobersabre: you can't, but you can tell GRUB to boot to Windows this time and then back to the default, alternatively, compile the tool that can do this for Windows |
| 10:37.04 | jm_ | Sonderblade: is it enabled in kernel-img.conf? |
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| 10:37.43 | Sonderblade | jm_: i don't know, there is no variable for linux there |
| 10:38.06 | jm_ | Sonderblade: huh? |
| 10:38.31 | Sonderblade | jm_: which setting in kernel-img.conf are you talking about? |
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| 10:38.51 | sobersabre | jm_ and if I want to install another distribution of linux, will I have to rebuild this tool ? will I have to reconfigure this on all workstations ?! |
| 10:38.53 | Sonderblade | jm_: and why should i have to change that file manually with all the dpkg-* and apt-* thingies around? |
| 10:39.14 | jm_ | Sonderblade: do_boot or somesuch |
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| 10:40.12 | chron | does the debian livecd come with ``ar'' |
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| 10:40.57 | chron | i'm doing a chroot install, wondering if the livecd has all the binaries i need |
| 10:41.00 | jm_ | sobersabre: well you can also load menu.lst from network and change it there for such things |
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| 10:44.21 | E-bola | Do anybody know how i can change the file version of an rrd file? I accidently created some files with rrdtool 1.2, and now i cant read them with 1.0 |
| 10:45.42 | jm_ | export it and then restore it again? |
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| 10:46.17 | E-bola | export it with what? |
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| 10:46.29 | jm_ | rrdtools of course |
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| 10:46.46 | E-bola | sure but what versions |
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| 10:46.51 | E-bola | export with 1.2 and restore with 1.0? |
| 10:47.04 | jm_ | yes, it iwll have to be the version that can read your file |
| 10:47.09 | JasonX | anyone got any lilo tips so a pair of cloned drives can dual boot either one as master/slave (i can make dual boot by changing fstab on slave drive to hdc, but then it will no longer boot as master) |
| 10:47.10 | E-bola | ok ile try |
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| 10:48.25 | jm_ | JasonX: check software raid howto, it sounds like RAID0 setup |
| 10:48.48 | jm_ | ehm I meant RAID1 |
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| 10:49.08 | halux | someone knows how to get sieve scripts in cyrus working ? I don't know what to do, everything should be fine :( |
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| 10:50.20 | chron | does the debian livecd come with enough binaries like ``fdisk'' and ``ar''? |
| 10:50.31 | fluxdude | i've got a problem when booting: too many ide interfaces, no room in table |
| 10:50.33 | chron | so that i can work in a separate term |
| 10:50.38 | fluxdude | it's a server with 2 ide controllers with 4 disks each plus 4 on mobo (12 total) |
| 10:53.10 | dimir | chron: which livecd? Knoppix does. |
| 10:53.21 | chron | well any idiot knows knoppix does |
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| 10:54.03 | dimir | chron: I can't imagine livecd without ar. |
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| 10:54.16 | chron | yea just askin incase |
| 10:54.22 | dimir | or, even more, fdisk. |
| 10:54.26 | jm_ | dimir: are you suggesting Windows Live CD-s have ar.exe? :) |
| 10:54.32 | dimir | jmk: oops! |
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| 10:54.39 | dimir | jm_: :-D |
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| 10:57.06 | voltagex | I need a good tutorial for cron, I just can't understand it even after reading the manpage |
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| 10:57.55 | dimir | voltagex: even after 'man 5 crontab' ? |
| 10:58.11 | Australier__ | hello |
| 10:58.17 | dimir | ehlo! |
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| 10:58.21 | VIm_Enforcer | hey |
| 10:58.24 | voltagex | dimir: it was late the last time I read it, I"ll try again |
| 10:58.42 | Australier__ | what's a good channel for me to ask absolute beginner questions |
| 10:58.44 | voltagex | dimir: is there any difference between 'man crontab' and man 5 crontab? |
| 10:58.49 | VIm_Enforcer | Australier__: ##linux |
| 10:58.59 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: heh, yes |
| 10:58.59 | Australier__ | thankyou |
| 10:59.10 | dimir | voltagex: yes |
| 10:59.14 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: man 5 -- display manpage 5 |
| 10:59.26 | VIm_Enforcer | man crontab -- display manpage 1 |
| 10:59.54 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: but don't they both show instructions for crontab? |
| 10:59.59 | VIm_Enforcer | heh, i want to switch to Debian |
| 11:00.01 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: yep |
| 11:00.19 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: but different manpages for programmers etc. |
| 11:00.20 | dimir | $ man 1 crontab 2>/dev/null | wc -l |
| 11:00.20 | dimir | 94 |
| 11:00.24 | dimir | $ man 5 crontab 2>/dev/null | wc -l |
| 11:00.24 | dimir | 198 |
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| 11:00.34 | VIm_Enforcer | dimir: heh |
| 11:00.40 | dimir | :-P |
| 11:00.42 | voltagex | I really am still a linux noob |
| 11:00.53 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: you'll learn |
| 11:00.54 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:01.08 | VIm_Enforcer | hey, so i want to switch to debian from mandriva |
| 11:01.28 | dimir | good. |
| 11:01.28 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: lucky I already love debian, it's been trying my patience this week |
| 11:01.28 | VIm_Enforcer | heh |
| 11:01.28 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: go for it |
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| 11:01.30 | VIm_Enforcer | i'd like to |
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| 11:01.35 | voltagex | apt-get into it is the slogan right? |
| 11:01.44 | VIm_Enforcer | but i want to know if i have to make a new fs |
| 11:01.52 | VIm_Enforcer | or stick to ext3 |
| 11:01.57 | VIm_Enforcer | with* |
| 11:02.04 | XemiT | If I don't have network, can I use debian |
| 11:02.10 | VIm_Enforcer | and, my data, /home |
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| 11:02.22 | f00li5h | XemiT: yeah, you can, you just install of cd/dvd |
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| 11:02.52 | VIm_Enforcer | dimir: do i have to remove mand prior to installing debian? |
| 11:02.54 | Ironhand | if I have a properly set up debian system on hda, with all filesystems being 1-disk raid1's (transition situation), will debian still boot without problem if hdc happens to contain raid1 devices with different uuid's but similar minor numbers in the superblock? |
| 11:03.02 | XemiT | I burned two DVDs of Sarge |
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| 11:03.14 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: tar -cf home.tar ~ ? |
| 11:03.17 | f00li5h | VIm_Enforcer: depends on how your disk[s]' [arttioned |
| 11:03.28 | Yiyi | hello |
| 11:03.29 | VIm_Enforcer | heh |
| 11:03.31 | XemiT | f00li5h: Are all software included on the two DVDs |
| 11:03.33 | f00li5h | hi there Yiyi |
| 11:03.42 | VIm_Enforcer | well, i got /home on /dev/hda7 naturally |
| 11:04.06 | Yiyi | yiyi want to make friends |
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| 11:04.19 | f00li5h | VIm_Enforcer: 7? why is that natural? |
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| 11:04.39 | VIm_Enforcer | f00li5h: i mean having /home on separate part is natural |
| 11:04.39 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:04.57 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: I've never tried having home on a seperate partition, I know the installer complains if you try to install debian where there are already files |
| 11:05.24 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: but as long as you don't specifically reformat your home partition, you should be fine |
| 11:05.32 | Yiyi | hey tarim |
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| 11:05.40 | voltagex | what kind of format is locatedb in? |
| 11:05.43 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: you should have /home on sep part, otherwise there's a risk of you screwing around with root and deleting some personal data... |
| 11:05.44 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
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| 11:06.14 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: I already tried rm -rf once :P |
| 11:06.26 | VIm_Enforcer | :P |
| 11:06.30 | VIm_Enforcer | idiot :P |
| 11:06.31 | dimir | VIm_Enforcer: it's always good to have /home on a separate partition for things like system reinstallation. So you just point Debian installer to your current / and tell it to use hda7 or whatever as /home. |
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| 11:06.40 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: fun way to blow everything away for a reinstall |
| 11:06.44 | VIm_Enforcer | dimir: that simple? |
| 11:06.46 | VIm_Enforcer | :P |
| 11:07.03 | jm_ | voltagex: man locatedb |
| 11:07.14 | dimir | VIm_Enforcer: ye. :-) Debian is simple, not "user-friendly" in the "nice GUI" sense. :-) |
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| 11:07.34 | f00li5h | dimir: it's just choosey of it's friends |
| 11:07.46 | VIm_Enforcer | dimir: i hate user-friendly, it insults my intellingence (read 'leetness') |
| 11:07.50 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:07.57 | dimir | f00li5h: exactly. And I'm glad I was the one! |
| 11:08.03 | f00li5h | VIm_Enforcer: with a nick like that, what ever could you mean... |
| 11:08.22 | VIm_Enforcer | f00li5h: :) i love my editor and my editor loves me <3 |
| 11:08.35 | f00li5h | VIm_Enforcer: yeah, it sure does less than three you |
| 11:08.42 | VIm_Enforcer | yep |
| 11:09.05 | dimir | f00li5h: you better '/msg dpkg !nickometer f00li5h' yourself. |
| 11:09.07 | VIm_Enforcer | why else would i choose a flame-invoking nick like that? ;) |
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| 11:10.09 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:10.24 | dimir | :-P |
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| 11:10.44 | VIm_Enforcer | btw, who here vim? |
| 11:10.48 | VIm_Enforcer | and who emacs? |
| 11:10.50 | VIm_Enforcer | ;0 |
| 11:10.55 | dimir | Don't!!!!!!!!!!111111 |
| 11:10.55 | VIm_Enforcer | ;) |
| 11:10.56 | peterS | neither |
| 11:11.03 | monsieur_ | ED ! |
| 11:11.07 | dimir | kedit! |
| 11:11.08 | VIm_Enforcer | monsieur_: ex!!!1 |
| 11:11.14 | VIm_Enforcer | VIm!!!1 |
| 11:11.14 | monsieur_ | :O |
| 11:11.19 | peterS | well, I use vim but I don't particularly use vim's features, I use it like any other vi |
| 11:11.21 | monsieur_ | VI ! |
| 11:11.27 | VIm_Enforcer | ex ; :visual |
| 11:11.28 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: ... don't start an editor war ffs. |
| 11:11.28 | kreg_dcdi | <-- vim guy |
| 11:11.42 | VIm_Enforcer | <-- vim guy |
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| 11:11.50 | voltagex | If I could work out how to use vi/m then I'd use it |
| 11:11.56 | VIm_Enforcer | Forward my brave horsemen!!! |
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| 11:12.03 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:12.09 | Yiyi | hey yiyi it's in the house |
| 11:12.14 | kreg_dcdi | i like the macros in emacs tho |
| 11:12.16 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: flashdance.cx |
| 11:12.28 | VIm_Enforcer | o'reilly ebooks |
| 11:12.30 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:12.40 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: goatse? |
| 11:12.42 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:12.46 | Yiyi | yiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 11:12.50 | Yiyi | i love you |
| 11:12.57 | VIm_Enforcer | kick him, ffs. |
| 11:13.00 | VIm_Enforcer | or op me ;) |
| 11:13.01 | f00li5h | dimir: what's nnick-o-meter for? |
| 11:13.02 | voltagex | yes, I was only new to the intarweb |
| 11:13.08 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: :) |
| 11:13.13 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: me too, don't worry |
| 11:13.13 | peterS | my word. it's technically still only Tuesday. This week sure went by fast. |
| 11:13.14 | VIm_Enforcer | ;) |
| 11:13.19 | Yiyi | voltagex?????????' |
| 11:13.19 | liable | XemiT: sure, you should have more than you need on the 2 dvd's |
| 11:13.28 | voltagex | f00li5h: hahahahahaha try it on your name |
| 11:13.33 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: but i'm not a troll, flashdance.cx |
| 11:13.38 | VIm_Enforcer | o'reilly ebooks |
| 11:13.40 | f00li5h | voltagex: it said 48% |
| 11:13.42 | VIm_Enforcer | lots of 'em |
| 11:13.43 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: I know |
| 11:13.48 | voltagex | yep |
| 11:13.55 | voltagex | !nickometer voltage |
| 11:13.56 | dpkg | 'voltage' is 0.000% lame, voltagex |
| 11:13.57 | Yiyi | your fuckin mother |
| 11:13.58 | voltagex | hmm |
| 11:14.00 | peterS | uh |
| 11:14.01 | voltagex | yay |
| 11:14.06 | VIm_Enforcer | !nickometer VIm_Enforcer |
| 11:14.08 | dpkg | 'VIm_Enforcer' is 14.000% lame, vim_enforcer |
| 11:14.09 | f00li5h | oh, i see... right |
| 11:14.09 | voltagex | uh, yiyi, stfu |
| 11:14.10 | peterS | can you guys, like, start talking about something that has anything to do with Debian? please? |
| 11:14.17 | Yiyi | no |
| 11:14.29 | VIm_Enforcer | kick yiyi, ffs! |
| 11:14.30 | SlammerXP | i hear debian isn't as good as Ubuntu |
| 11:14.30 | dimir | peterS: and makes sense? :-P |
| 11:14.33 | VIm_Enforcer | or op me!! |
| 11:14.35 | voltagex | peterS: apt-get yiyi out of the channel |
| 11:14.36 | peterS | dimir: that's a lot to ask |
| 11:14.37 | f00li5h | peterS: why won't the installer boot ? |
| 11:14.39 | Yiyi | tu pota madre |
| 11:14.42 | dimir | peterS: ye. |
| 11:14.48 | voltagex | !ubuntu |
| 11:14.49 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 11:14.49 | VIm_Enforcer | Yiyi: tais-toi |
| 11:14.53 | peterS | f00li5h: you tried to use an i386 image for your powerpc mac |
| 11:14.55 | f00li5h | peterS: well, it willl, but it won't find the .iso with all the junk on it |
| 11:15.10 | f00li5h | peterS: the ppc mac isn't mine |
| 11:15.33 | peterS | nor is it mine, my ppc isn't a mac |
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| 11:15.44 | Yiyi | you are frikis |
| 11:15.47 | VIm_Enforcer | ... |
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| 11:15.51 | VIm_Enforcer | kick him! |
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| 11:16.00 | VIm_Enforcer | or gline, better |
| 11:16.03 | Yiyi | po zi |
| 11:16.04 | VIm_Enforcer | >:) |
| 11:16.10 | peterS | seriously, guys, you are generating useless noise. cut it out. |
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| 11:16.26 | Yiyi | tu puta madre no me echeis |
| 11:16.34 | Yiyi | what noise?? |
| 11:16.39 | voltagex | peterS: I finally deleted my name out of dpkg bot. |
| 11:16.46 | Yiyi | i'm not making any noise |
| 11:16.56 | voltagex | peterS: I must have really pissed someone off one day |
| 11:17.37 | peterS | Yiyi, you are making a lot of it. if you aren't sure how to stop, it's easy: take your fingers away from the keyboard |
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| 11:18.01 | Yiyi | eyyy |
| 11:18.14 | Yiyi | what do you do to me???? |
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| 11:18.38 | Yiyi | your mother are going to sleep???? |
| 11:18.53 | liable | !ops please +b Yiyi |
| 11:18.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please +b Yiyi |
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| 11:19.19 | voltagex | is there a good tutorial on making .debs? |
| 11:19.28 | dimir | yes. |
| 11:19.28 | peterS | voltagex: the debian new maintainer's guide |
| 11:19.30 | liable | RichiH: cheers |
| 11:19.37 | RichiH | de nada |
| 11:19.40 | RichiH | brb |
| 11:20.07 | voltagex | peterS: is building your own debs better than using alien on rpm's? |
| 11:20.50 | peterS | voltagex: depends on your skill level and willingness to put time into maintaining your own. if you know how, and are well versed in debian policy, and have time to put quality work into them, sure. if not, perhaps not. |
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| 11:21.36 | peterS | voltagex: quality is a matter of attention to (often debian-specific) detail. that's why rpm -> alien -> deb are often low quality - the rpm maintainer doesn't know anything about debian, and sometimes doesn't know much about package management in general (: |
| 11:22.10 | voltagex | peterS: thanks, something else to start learning |
| 11:22.23 | VIm_Enforcer | so dimir, should i go for the 'online' install? |
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| 11:22.34 | Zambranete | eyyy |
| 11:22.47 | VIm_Enforcer | BAN EVASION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 11:22.52 | clausen | anyone who knows how to get postgresql to count how many times a colum appers in a select statement ? |
| 11:23.00 | Zambranete | enforzer |
| 11:23.04 | voltagex | next question, is there anything in debian or available via apt-get that will allow me to maintain multiple network configurations for a laptop? I"ve gone through I think all the packages for that on apt-get |
| 11:23.05 | peterS | VIm_Enforcer: you're not much better |
| 11:23.06 | Zambranete | you are my hero |
| 11:23.06 | liable | RichiH: looks like its back as Zambranete |
| 11:23.08 | voltagex | clausen: #sql |
| 11:23.20 | VIm_Enforcer | RichiH: ban Zambranete |
| 11:23.26 | Zambranete | i'm yiyi |
| 11:23.28 | VIm_Enforcer | RichiH: or better, gline |
| 11:23.29 | clausen | voltagex, thanx |
| 11:23.32 | VIm_Enforcer | ;0 |
| 11:23.34 | peterS | Zambranete: yes, we know. go away now. |
| 11:23.41 | Zambranete | no |
| 11:23.49 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: your noise level is quite high too |
| 11:23.52 | VIm_Enforcer | Zambranete: we know what vhost is, you do not |
| 11:23.53 | Zambranete | i'm YIYOTE |
| 11:24.04 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: ... |
| 11:24.25 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: BAN EVASION etc... |
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| 11:24.34 | Zambranete | go away you |
| 11:24.35 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: it's true, uhm |
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| 11:24.50 | VIm_Enforcer | so dimir, should i go for the 'online' install? |
| 11:25.02 | voltagex | www.flashdance.cx is quite unstable it seems, or it's possibly my connection |
| 11:25.11 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: it's good |
| 11:25.19 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: your connection is jumpy |
| 11:25.40 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: I like it, depends what your connection is like, you need a fast connection to make online install worth it |
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| 11:25.55 | peterS | voltagex: you have looked at all the results of 'apt-cache search laptop network'? |
| 11:25.58 | VIm_Enforcer | voltagex: heh, 2Mbit enogh? |
| 11:26.05 | VIm_Enforcer | enough |
| 11:26.51 | peterS | voltagex: 'laptop-net', 'laptop-netconf' and 'switchconf' look particularly promising. I don't have a laptop so I've never needed to investigate any of these |
| 11:27.04 | voltagex | VIm_Enforcer: lucky, australia's adsl sucks, but yeah, 2mbit install is faaast |
| 11:27.05 | liable | voltagex: whereami |
| 11:27.36 | voltagex | I've used laptop-* and whereami, I don't know what I was doing wrong but they didn't work too well |
| 11:28.36 | liable | there was another old one.. cant remember it now. |
| 11:28.50 | voltagex | peterS: what's the name of the switchconf package? |
| 11:29.18 | voltagex | liable: netenv probably, I"ve tried that too |
| 11:29.26 | liable | nah, wasnt that |
| 11:29.50 | voltagex | brb |
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| 11:31.23 | RichiH | liable, VIm_Enforcer, azeem: klined |
| 11:31.45 | VIm_Enforcer | RichiH: ? |
| 11:31.51 | VIm_Enforcer | oh |
| 11:31.53 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 11:31.55 | liable | :) |
| 11:32.08 | liable | ah, was waproamd i was thinking of. |
| 11:32.13 | RichiH | 13:28:42 !kornbluth.freenode.net *** Notice -- RichiH added K-Line for [*@79.Red-217-125-70.staticIP.rima-tde.net] [spam and bots are offtopic on freenode - please email staff@freenode.net], expiring at 1147477977 (5062 minutes) |
| 11:32.13 | RichiH | 13:28:42 !kornbluth.freenode.net Added K-Line [*@79.Red-217-125-70.staticIP.rima-tde.net] to var/lib/dancer-ircd/kline.conf |
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| 11:32.53 | RichiH | same guy has been hammering #knoppix, lately |
| 11:33.27 | voltagex | liable: what do you recommend overall, I haven't had much luck with these multi-configurations... |
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| 11:34.17 | liable | voltagex: i dont have that many places i need to swap between, so i havent seriously persued any of the packages. |
| 11:34.40 | voltagex | liable: :( |
| 11:35.01 | voltagex | liable: I'm almost starting to regret linux-on-laptop |
| 11:35.20 | camel69 | i totally forgot how to create a deb-file out of some source code (e.g. src from cvs) - what's the command to create debian/rules and the other neccessary files? thx a lot |
| 11:36.55 | liable | voltagex: whereami seemed the most promising especially with the new wpa-supp enabling action scripts, would just take a little work to get it all working properly i think. |
| 11:37.07 | azeem | camel69: there is no standardized command for that |
| 11:37.12 | azeem | camel69: dh-make helps a bit |
| 11:37.39 | camel69 | azeem: thx, that's the one i'm looking for - haven't build a package for months :D |
| 11:38.31 | liable | voltagex: or even if its just the wireless part you could set up fairly easily just with wpa-supplicant |
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| 11:44.43 | voltagex | liable: crap, I missed what you said, no scrollback in irssi... |
| 11:44.59 | jm_ | you learn something new every day ;) |
| 11:45.11 | peterS | voltagex: what do you mean, no scrollback in irssi? hit the 'PgUp' key |
| 11:45.40 | voltagex | peterS: I feel really, really, really, really, dumb. |
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| 11:45.54 | peterS | (: |
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| 11:46.29 | Delgul_at_work | anyone experience with building a amd64 kernel running in a 32 bit architecture? I cant seem to get this right! |
| 11:48.14 | RichiH | Delgul_at_work: google for cross-compile howto |
| 11:48.28 | voltagex | LOL my other debian box 3000 seconds in the future according to my laptop... |
| 11:48.28 | Delgul_at_work | thanks |
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| 11:48.41 | VIm_Enforcer | lol |
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| 11:48.56 | RichiH | voltagex: that is nothing ;) |
| 11:49.25 | RichiH | my laptop can get out of sync by 10000+ seconds in a few seconds of being powered down |
| 11:49.29 | peterS | voltagex: you could sell that kind of technology for a lot of money |
| 11:49.55 | voltagex | peterS: I watched a timetravel movie the other day, 'Primer', put me off timetravel big time |
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| 11:51.05 | voltagex | how do I set up usb to be automounted? fstab complains big time when the drive isn't plugged in |
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| 11:52.17 | Delgul_at_work | RichiH: The problem is that I cannot find instructions to cross-compile using make-kpkg,. I need a pacjkaged kernel... |
| 11:52.44 | RichiH | Delgul_at_work: no idea, sorry. i tru to stay away from cross-compiling |
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| 11:55.24 | jm_ | voltagex: autofs, usbmount, ... |
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| 11:57.05 | RichiH | is there any sane way of seeing what package would cause a mass deletion when doing dist-upgrade |
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| 11:58.01 | RichiH | 317 upgraded, 136 newly installed, 334 to remove and 4 not upgraded. - so doing it by hand in aptitude would be.. much work ;) |
| 11:58.04 | jm_ | does apt-get -s dist-upgrade help? |
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| 11:58.21 | liable | or just upgrade, see whats held back |
| 11:58.46 | jm_ | hmm held back stuff shouldn't be removed |
| 11:59.39 | liable | yes, but it will be the held back package thats wanting to remove the others i would think |
| 12:00.05 | liable | maybe.. |
| 12:00.32 | liable | or better yet, use aptitude and let it show a sloution :) |
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| 12:00.37 | liable | solution.. |
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| 12:01.16 | RichiH | liable: 256 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 337 not upgraded. |
| 12:01.31 | RichiH | how can aptitude show a solution> |
| 12:01.47 | liable | RichiH: upgrade to start with |
| 12:01.57 | jm_ | RichiH: wait, have you just switched to aptitude? |
| 12:02.08 | RichiH | jm_: no, i will not do that ever, either |
| 12:02.12 | jm_ | RichiH: :) |
| 12:02.15 | liable | RichiH: it will come up with a proposal, then you can accept or reject and it will try again, and so on. |
| 12:02.21 | RichiH | but if aptitude can show me what i need to know in this case, i will use it |
| 12:03.23 | liable | RichiH: you should upgrade more often! :P |
| 12:04.07 | RichiH | liable: this is the box of my gf |
| 12:04.11 | liable | RichiH: not the interactive bit, just aptitude from command line. |
| 12:04.25 | liable | RichiH: *she* should upgrade more often! :) |
| 12:04.53 | RichiH | there is an aptitude command line? |
| 12:05.10 | liable | sure, aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 12:05.52 | RichiH | heh |
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| 12:06.10 | liable | thats the only way i ever use it, i hate the interactive mode. |
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| 12:07.45 | Goa | hi all guys |
| 12:07.54 | RichiH | what about the girls? |
| 12:08.05 | Goa | i havea question: i want to set my monitor @120hz |
| 12:08.09 | Goa | i guess there are no girls |
| 12:08.10 | Goa | :_D |
| 12:08.30 | Goa | i reconfigure xserver with dpkg |
| 12:08.44 | Goa | i put my monitor specs |
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| 12:09.01 | Goa | h: 30-107 v: 50-120 |
| 12:09.05 | jm_ | liable: but it has minesweeper! |
| 12:09.08 | weissi | what the hell?? 772 people, no girls? |
| 12:09.09 | Goa | but it still remains @85hz |
| 12:09.14 | liable | hehe |
| 12:09.16 | fluxdude | 13:08: well duh, the image of geeks being spotty male social recluses continues... |
| 12:09.17 | azeem | Goa: check the log |
| 12:09.24 | azeem | Goa: probably that modeline got ignored |
| 12:09.28 | Goa | which log? |
| 12:09.31 | weissi | fluxdude, ;-) |
| 12:09.40 | Goa | i am a newwbie |
| 12:09.44 | Goa | :> |
| 12:09.49 | fluxdude | that was supposed to be Goa: |
| 12:09.56 | Goa | what log man?:) |
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| 12:10.14 | fluxdude | goa: good for you... welcome to the club, girls keep out! :-) yeah right... |
| 12:10.19 | Goa | ahaahahahha |
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| 12:10.25 | Goa | girls are all for me! |
| 12:10.25 | Goa | :P |
| 12:10.35 | liable | thers normally a couple here.. |
| 12:10.35 | azeem | Goa: /var/log/X* |
| 12:10.38 | fluxdude | we'd love some cool cyber chicks, but they're a rare and special breed... |
| 12:10.44 | liable | but anyway, its OT |
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| 12:10.55 | azeem | fluxdude: please keep this out of this chan |
| 12:11.13 | fluxdude | ok |
| 12:11.25 | voltagex | what the ^^^^ did I just join? |
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| 12:11.53 | azeem | voltagex: sorry |
| 12:11.56 | Ronin | voltagex: the twilight zone |
| 12:12.02 | trampel | declaring things OT is OT! (oh crap so is this! ...endless recursion) |
| 12:12.09 | azeem | Ronin: let's make it not worse than it is |
| 12:12.29 | Goa | fluxdude |
| 12:12.32 | Goa | i have 3 logs |
| 12:12.34 | Goa | XFree86.0.log.old |
| 12:12.40 | sep | fluxdude, this is the male channel the girls are in #debian-woman on oftc.net :]]] |
| 12:12.42 | Goa | XFree86.0.log |
| 12:12.50 | Goa | Xfre86.0.log.save |
| 12:12.59 | azeem | sep: eh, WTF? |
| 12:13.25 | azeem | Goa: check the timestamps with ls -l and pick the most recent one |
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| 12:13.57 | Goa | 45573 2006-05-09 13:55 XFree86.0.log.old |
| 12:14.05 | liable | plain old .log would be you would think |
| 12:14.33 | Goa | 2006-05-09 13:58 XFree86.0.log |
| 12:14.37 | voltagex | are there any safe ways to speed up boot time without buying new hardware? |
| 12:14.38 | Goa | this is newer |
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| 12:15.04 | sep | voltagex, use a difefrent init |
| 12:15.07 | sep | different |
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| 12:15.12 | voltagex | that said, I've done parallell startup mod |
| 12:15.18 | voltagex | sep: scary. |
| 12:15.27 | sep | azeem, yeah i too wonder why #debian channels cant stay on 1 ircnet |
| 12:16.02 | sep | voltagex, eg runit or similar |
| 12:16.16 | blaheva | what's the name of the program that takes text and displays it in different styles (asci) |
| 12:16.50 | voltagex | sep: are there any that set themselves up? |
| 12:16.52 | azeem | sep: because Debian is too big for every member to be comfortable with the same irc network |
| 12:16.53 | blaheva | i normally use it to generate motd/issue |
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| 12:17.09 | sep | voltagex, have no idea im not craqy enouf to try em |
| 12:17.11 | azeem | blaheva: figlet, maybe |
| 12:17.15 | voltagex | gtg |
| 12:17.24 | blaheva | yep figlet thanks |
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| 12:19.51 | ttl- | hi everyone |
| 12:20.30 | pipeline | sep: This is the official #debian. |
| 12:20.45 | Sonderblade | why does make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot take so long? it seems to take much longer than manually compiling the kernel |
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| 12:24.23 | abrocadabro | what does it mean by 64-bit virtual address space? |
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| 12:27.25 | RichiH | liable: the upgrade is at the installing stage |
| 12:27.45 | RichiH | liable: are you failiar with the scoring system aptitude uses? |
| 12:27.57 | RichiH | i had -2195 on the dist-upgrade if i had done it |
| 12:28.01 | liable | RichiH: plus is good |
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| 12:28.05 | liable | thats bad :) |
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| 12:28.11 | RichiH | hehe |
| 12:28.12 | xomhau | hi all |
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| 12:28.25 | xomhau | what package for mounting nfs? |
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| 12:28.32 | RichiH | liable: anyway, searching for 'resolve' in the manpage does not yield anything |
| 12:28.48 | liable | RichiH: in the docs? |
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| 12:29.04 | liable | RichiH: i've never actually read up on it. sec. |
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| 12:29.26 | BadMan | morning folks got a proble when join some game servers for ET. |
| 12:30.01 | RichiH | liable: ah, duh, it's there. reading up on it, too |
| 12:30.06 | plopplop | hey, question about linux-kernel-di : when it says : "missing module xxxx". that means module xxxx is not avaible but it can be include in kernel or module xxxx is not avaible at all ? |
| 12:30.19 | BadMan | sometimes it tries to do "openurl.sh" but its seems that xterm won't launch a lynx or konqueror browser when it drops me from the game.. any ideas |
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| 12:32.18 | BadMan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2512 |
| 12:32.22 | liable | RichiH: with as many packages as you have that need upgrading i think you might need to do a few at a time. i dont think it was ever meant to deal with hundreds of dpendancies at a time. |
| 12:32.23 | azeem | xomhau: mount can do that directly I thought |
| 12:33.12 | pipeline | abrocadabro: That depends on context |
| 12:33.13 | RichiH | liable: i can tell that by reading about the process involved, yes ;p |
| 12:33.30 | RichiH | liable: what i would like to have is a graph of all dependiencies |
| 12:33.43 | RichiH | then i could just trace the initial removal |
| 12:33.44 | pipeline | abrocadabro: Let's put it this way: Running in 32 bit mode, an x86 processor can only address 36 bits worth of memory, or 64 gigabytes |
| 12:33.56 | abrocadabro | pipeline: the question was with UltraSPARC III Cu machine with 4 GB of physical memory, 8 KB pages, how many pages can exist |
| 12:33.57 | BadMan | first link is the operurl.sh file isntalled by the game(installed as root) and this on is tty infor prior to shutdown http://channels.debian.net/paste/2513 |
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| 12:34.08 | liable | RichiH: yeah, i guess starting with things like xorg and things that have a high number of deps and go from there. |
| 12:34.21 | pipeline | abrocadabro: There's no issue, there. |
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| 12:34.39 | pipeline | abrocadabro: Running a 64 bit kernel, you can address more pages than there are atoms in the galaxy :P |
| 12:35.02 | pipeline | abrocadabro: Why in gods name you would run linux on a USIII, well, that's something no one can explain. |
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| 12:35.45 | abrocadabro | pipeline: no, it's just a lecture question I can't find answers for |
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| 12:37.10 | xored | what iptable settings are used to be able to use FTP-passive mode on a FTP-serveR ? |
| 12:37.20 | abrocadabro | pipeline: this is the question: The server iwaki is a 1 GHz dual CPU UltraSPARC III Cu machine with 4 GB of physical memory. It can be assumed that it has a 64-bit virtual address space with 8 KB pages (this is its normal mode of operation). How many pages exist in the virtual address space? If a page table was required to have all possible pages, how large would it be? (assume each entry is 16 bytes). |
| 12:37.27 | weissi | BadMan, in debian, this skript can just contain one line: xterm -e www-browser "$1" |
| 12:37.31 | azeem | abrocadabro: please take this elsewhere |
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| 12:38.17 | abrocadabro | azeem: I was kinda desperate to know |
| 12:38.24 | abrocadabro | azeem: sry |
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| 12:38.42 | roby | i can't stand dual booting, i need a constant debian server, anyone have an idea of the slowest cpu support for motherboards that would still support a 200GB hard drive? |
| 12:39.11 | roby | i need the debian machine to be a file server with a 200GB drive |
| 12:39.35 | roby | this is probably not related to debian, but just wondering if any1 knows :) |
| 12:39.44 | sep | roby, whas stopping you ? |
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| 12:40.09 | roby | sep, my worry is that if i buy my friend's old PII or PIII, the board may not support my 200GB hard drive |
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| 12:40.15 | sep | roby, my slowest computer is a P 200 |
| 12:40.18 | pipeline | abrocadabro: Uhh, far larger than I can do in my head. |
| 12:40.29 | sep | roby, that's a ide controller issue. |
| 12:40.33 | RichiH | abrocadabro: i am far from certain, but it should be 2^51 pages with a 2^55 byte page table - those numbers are way too large for my liking, though |
| 12:40.39 | sep | roby, and would depends entierly on the chipset of the ide controller |
| 12:40.55 | roby | sep: of the ide controller on the MB right? |
| 12:40.57 | sep | roby, and could perhaps be firmware flashed anyway |
| 12:41.01 | sep | correct |
| 12:41.02 | roby | ah i see |
| 12:41.06 | RichiH | abrocadabro: you can try #cs |
| 12:41.15 | sep | and if thatone gave you issues you could insert a pci ide controller |
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| 12:41.25 | sep | or try firmware upgrading the MB |
| 12:41.46 | roby | sep: the pci ide controller would be slower than plugging into ide socket on board right? but not significantly? |
| 12:42.08 | sep | roby, most likely the ide onboard uses the pci bus too. |
| 12:42.26 | abrocadabro | RichiH: thanks, but there are only two people me included :) |
| 12:42.30 | roby | sep: cool, i'll just try b4 i buy ;) thanks! |
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| 12:43.17 | chron | i need some permissions set on certain folders in default debian install |
| 12:43.36 | chron | on /tmp, /home /root /var/log /var/run and /var/tmp |
| 12:43.40 | chron | anyone nice enough to help me out? |
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| 12:45.04 | sep | chron, man chmod |
| 12:45.24 | chron | no you miunderstood |
| 12:45.25 | RichiH | abrocadabro: aw :/ |
| 12:45.48 | chron | i need some default folder permissions for /tmp /home /root /var/log /var/run and /var/tmp |
| 12:46.01 | chron | or atleast give me one or some of those |
| 12:46.04 | chron | on a debian system |
| 12:47.38 | sep | tmp and var/tmp are 777 the rest are 755 |
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| 12:48.37 | jm_ | tmp is not just 777 |
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| 12:48.55 | chron | ok thanks |
| 12:48.58 | Intoxicator | 'morning |
| 12:49.07 | chron | you're sure right? because i need the absolute default |
| 12:49.08 | pipeline | abrocadabro: Uhhh, to fill the memory space, it's thousands of gigabytes in your page table. |
| 12:49.09 | jm_ | you want t bit on tmp dirs |
| 12:49.17 | pipeline | abrocadabro: 64 bits of space is a *staggering* amount. |
| 12:49.17 | ncp | is this the place to ask about modlogan? the channel #modlogan only got 1 :( |
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| 12:50.03 | RichiH | liable: after resolving stuff by hand, it will still want to remove half of the system |
| 12:50.14 | RichiH | liable: i got a score of -2595, this time |
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| 12:51.05 | abrocadabro | pipeline: 2^64 Byte = 4GB, why is that a big amount? |
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| 12:52.30 | Intoxicator | i am looking for a proxy for apt-get, usable with a dial-in gateway. as far i have tried apt-proxy, apt-cacher and approx. the first two i found unreliable, the latter, running now, is slow, and doesn't seem to cache package lists. i.e. apt-get update will always retrieve from net (or not at all). i am running out of options .. anyone knows a proxy for apt-get he is pleased with? |
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| 12:52.53 | liable | RichiH: hrm, i wonder what the hell is doing it. |
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| 12:53.06 | sep | Intoxicator, im pretty pleased with apt-proxy |
| 12:53.13 | liable | RichiH: mostly x stuff? |
| 12:53.16 | Intoxicator | hmm |
| 12:53.42 | Intoxicator | maybe i have to start again - it was the first one i installed, and removed again |
| 12:53.51 | RichiH | liable: yah, this box still has xfree |
| 12:54.07 | liable | RichiH: on etch or what? |
| 12:54.07 | RichiH | why it wants to kill all of kde for that is beyong me, though |
| 12:54.19 | RichiH | considering that it does not even want to touch xserver-* |
| 12:54.22 | RichiH | yes, testing |
| 12:54.38 | Intoxicator | moving back should be easy, as approx is supposed to be compatible, in terms of clients sources.list |
| 12:54.52 | liable | RichiH: try upgrading x11-common and see what happens |
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| 12:56.11 | RichiH | liable: it wants to install both xserver, but remove xfree-common |
| 12:56.30 | xiptos | Hi all! Is it possible to use a group inside a group in /etc/groups? |
| 12:56.42 | xiptos | Like: hal:x:x:@students |
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| 12:57.21 | liable | RichiH: all guesswork i guess unless you want to tear your hair out actually trying to track it. |
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| 12:57.47 | RichiH | liable: i tried, once |
| 12:57.56 | RichiH | it took a few hours and wnent nowhere |
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| 12:58.24 | liable | RichiH: why dont you install xorg anyway? |
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| 12:58.50 | AngelGabriel | Is it possible to download an entire website using just the command line? |
| 12:59.05 | liable | AngelGabriel: wget |
| 12:59.34 | RichiH | liable: i will do so, i guess |
| 12:59.54 | lapot | hi! i've compiled another kernel, but my xscreensaver becomes very slow... what have i missed? |
| 12:59.58 | RichiH | i still want to be able to handle those situations, though |
| 13:00.02 | RichiH | thus, i want to learn it :) |
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| 13:01.18 | Intoxicator | lapot: forgot to install OpenGL modules with hardware accel, using OpenGL screen savers. |
| 13:01.38 | Loof | Anyone here use dot (digraph)... How can I make an invisible node or make a node skip 1 level? |
| 13:02.04 | liable | RichiH: just a guess, but i think still having xfree in etch would be the cause. |
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| 13:02.50 | RichiH | liable: might be, but still, i should be ab;to find out |
| 13:03.06 | liable | true |
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| 13:05.06 | callee | is it possible to get into bios with a serial console? |
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| 13:05.28 | lapot | Intoxicator: modules that i've compiled after the kernel are OpenGL modules? |
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| 13:05.49 | callee | because i wonder why minicom seems to be able to establish a connection without showing anything, but there is a connection, not just the hanging screen |
| 13:05.54 | nono31 | is that possible to have a working gdm without having gnome installed? |
| 13:06.10 | Intoxicator | lapot, possibly because you *didn't* |
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| 13:07.14 | bwbettin | Hi all! I'm using the Testing distro. Is there a way to know in my .bashrc whether I'm in the console or a terminal in X (xterm, pterm, gnome-terminal, etc)? I'd like to export TERM to be one thing in the console (TERM=linux), but something else under X (TERM=xterm-256color). I figured my .bashrc was the best way to do it, but if there's a better way I'm all ears. Thanks! :) |
| 13:07.46 | lapot | Intoxicator: can you remember which modules are necessary for normal functioning of video? |
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| 13:08.19 | Intoxicator | lapot, very likely ATI or NVidia |
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| 13:08.42 | liable | how do you get rdepends out of dpkg? |
| 13:08.51 | azeem | dpkg? |
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| 13:08.58 | liable | the bot |
| 13:09.04 | azeem | liable: oh, that dpkg |
| 13:09.06 | azeem | dunno |
| 13:09.18 | lapot | Intoxicator: i need it or i must forget it? (i deal with kernel options like monkey and glasses =) ) |
| 13:09.20 | liable | i know it can do it, cant remember |
| 13:09.44 | augi01 | nono31: Yeah, it is. |
| 13:09.52 | noviac | dpkg --unpack <file> |
| 13:10.17 | noviac | or did i missunderstand you now perhaps. |
| 13:10.19 | Loof | ?? |
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| 13:10.31 | lapot | Intoxicator: how to know about videocard? it's drivers etc.? |
| 13:10.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | How is the command to get the pug-key of ftp.de.debian.org ? |
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| 13:10.44 | cahoot | liable: not simply !depends <pkg>? |
| 13:10.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | s/pug/pup/ |
| 13:10.56 | Intoxicator | lapot, those modules don't come with the kernel. need to be installed seperately. if you recompile the kernel, and modules, those modules won\t exist. |
| 13:11.03 | Intoxicator | lapot: lspci |
| 13:11.13 | liable | cahoot: i thought it could do reverse ones, maybe i am imagining it. |
| 13:11.17 | nono31 | augi01: it is not working here, I log and then it brings me back to the login page |
| 13:11.22 | lapot | Intoxicator: thanx |
| 13:11.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | '/msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 13:11.38 | augi01 | nono31: Did you reboot after installing it? Usually that's what you have to do. |
| 13:12.06 | nono31 | augi01: even when /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
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| 13:12.35 | augi01 | nono31: Yeah. |
| 13:13.05 | Intoxicator | nono31: is another display manager still running? |
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| 13:14.33 | nono31 | Intoxicator: nope |
| 13:14.47 | nono31 | I stopped xdm, then started gdm |
| 13:14.56 | lapot | Intoxicator: i'm russian and have a trouble with koi8-r encoding in console (i X it's fine): when i type reset (or in exotic cases - i didn't unerstand regularity) i got other encoding - unclear letters. Do you know how to fight with it? |
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| 13:15.20 | Garp | Hi. |
| 13:15.34 | jm_ | lapot: tried echo -e '\ec' ? |
| 13:15.51 | [1ur1] | I'm in a Knoppix liveCD. How can I get a list of services starting in boot (or in a given runlevel) ??? |
| 13:15.56 | lapot | jm_: what does that mean? |
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| 13:16.12 | jm_ | lapot: man console_codes |
| 13:16.18 | Garp | Question: What is the recommanded tool to configure ethernet card in particular for the "pause frame" feature (something to slow down data input if too fast if I understand well). Thanks. |
| 13:16.35 | Intoxicator | lapot: echo -e "\015" or 016 or 017 maybe |
| 13:16.47 | Garp | An FAQ or HOWTO could be helpful, saw nothing in the Ethernet-HOWTO which simes quite old and not updated :( |
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| 13:18.19 | Intoxicator | lapot, try echo -e "\017" first |
| 13:20.41 | cr3 | when I run setxkbmap -layout ca, I get a new keyboard map, but when I run setxkbmap -layout us,ca -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle, toggling to ca gives strange characters. what could be the problem? |
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| 13:21.56 | lapot | Intoxicator: with 016 i got broken english letters... other digits don't influenced |
| 13:22.27 | [1ur1] | cr3, try out with the guys from Xorg... |
| 13:22.31 | lapot | Intoxicator: do you know why does it happened? |
| 13:22.42 | [1ur1] | cr3, they probably can answer you better |
| 13:23.12 | Intoxicator | it uses the characters above $80, that's where cyrillic chars should be |
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| 13:24.25 | lapot | Intoxicator: why it dicides to use them after reset command? |
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| 13:24.34 | tarzeau | is there fold for making centered,right justified and "blocksatz" text? |
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| 13:24.51 | nono31 | augi01: seems that is has been fixed today |
| 13:24.54 | Intoxicator | reset should have as effect to *not* use them |
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| 13:25.34 | lewis | I have a large .sql file with multiple databases in it. How do I import just one of those databases? I think it is: mysql --one-database dbname < bigfile.sql can anyone confirm? |
| 13:25.45 | echnaton | Can you advise me a howto for securing debian sargeß |
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| 13:26.04 | lapot | Intoxicator: unclear... i'll try to ask in any russian community. thank you! |
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| 13:26.26 | liable | echnaton: i think the debian reference gives info and links |
| 13:26.47 | echnaton | aha |
| 13:27.23 | kspath | !tell echnaton about security |
| 13:27.24 | liable | or the ig or one of those docs. see the docs section at debian.org |
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| 13:28.11 | kspath | !tell echnaton about reference |
| 13:28.17 | kspath | !tell echnaton about documentation |
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| 13:28.37 | echnaton | nice bot kspath ;) |
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| 13:29.04 | kspath | echnaton: talking points |
| 13:29.15 | Trewas | Garp: at least some drivers (kernel modules) have a setting for controlling whether pause frames are used |
| 13:29.31 | Garp | Trewas: thanks. |
| 13:29.58 | Garp | Trewas: So I should have a look at my driver? |
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| 13:32.08 | cr3 | can I request a file in here? I'd like to have a look at the file /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ca on Debian Sarge |
| 13:32.21 | Trewas | Garp: that might help... there is also "ethtool" which apparently should be able to set/get pause frame settings but it is not doing much at least with this card (not that I have any use for pause frames, not on a gigabit network) |
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| 13:32.46 | tarzeau | wait i can't believe there is no such tool |
| 13:32.56 | tarzeau | i will write it finally , after so many years |
| 13:33.06 | dondelelcaro | cr3: download the package that has that file and extract it |
| 13:33.22 | bbrazil | cr3: http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/tmp/ca |
| 13:33.26 | Garp | Trewas: I also just saw the ethtool stuff... I'll have a loook now. |
| 13:33.35 | Garp | Trewas: thanks. |
| 13:33.37 | cr3 | cheers |
| 13:34.31 | Trewas | Garp: no problem, just got interested because I had never even heard of pause frames before and I thought I knew about ethernet ;) |
| 13:35.21 | Garp | Trewas: Seems to be useful only with Gb networks... |
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| 13:35.30 | cr3 | bbrazil: many thanks, that actually fixed the problem I was having with setxkbmap! I'm so happy, I can now type "é" :) |
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| 13:35.50 | Garp | Trewas: It's normalized for quite some time afaik, but seldom usef until now |
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| 13:36.38 | mikeg | hi, all. how to do change the size /dev/shm in debian? |
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| 13:36.47 | Trewas | Garp: yeah, appears so |
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| 13:37.12 | Intoxicator | mikeg: by copying stuff to, or erasing from |
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| 13:37.41 | Garp | Trewas: ethtool seems to do the job: ethtool -a eth1 RX: off # ethtool -A eth1 rx on # ethtool -a eth1 RX: on |
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| 13:38.12 | mikeg | hi, intoxicator, what's your mean? sorry. i don't understand. |
| 13:38.24 | mikeg | you know, when i run the command : df -h |
| 13:38.38 | Garp | Trewas: Thanks again. |
| 13:38.38 | Intoxicator | mikeg: he size of shm is determined by its contents |
| 13:38.40 | mikeg | so, there is one tmpfs on /dev/shm. and the size is the 252M |
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| 13:39.03 | Intoxicator | mikeg: is only 252 M if it contains 252 M of data |
| 13:39.12 | Intoxicator | otherwise, it is the limit. the maximum size. |
| 13:39.18 | mikeg | yes. I want to change the size. |
| 13:39.29 | Intoxicator | change the size by erasing stuff from it |
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| 13:39.53 | Intoxicator | to make it smaller. to increase size, copy stuff to it. |
| 13:40.07 | mikeg | no. my mean is change the size 252M to 500M, like this. |
| 13:40.12 | mikeg | when the debian restart. |
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| 13:40.22 | mikeg | and remount the filesystem, |
| 13:40.27 | Intoxicator | mikeg: you only have 512 mb in your machine |
| 13:40.31 | mikeg | yes. |
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| 13:40.47 | Intoxicator | unwise to set shm size to 500 mb |
| 13:40.54 | Tassium | "Delete" is spamming porn site /msgs on join |
| 13:41.14 | mikeg | which configure file is crontol that? |
| 13:41.27 | Intoxicator | mikeg, if shm is filled, it uses up 50% of your RAM |
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| 13:41.55 | mikeg | ok, i know. |
| 13:42.15 | mikeg | i just think increat the total size shm. any suggestion? |
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| 13:42.21 | mikeg | just testing. |
| 13:42.42 | kspath | mikeg: My suggestion is to look into documentation. |
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| 13:42.51 | Tassium | I'm using apt-get to try to install a package (typo3). It has dependencies which in turn depend upon apache2 OR apache, but for some reason apt is trying to install apache2 although I already have apache installed. Is there a way I can force it to prefer apache over apache2? |
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| 13:43.45 | mikeg | :(, I had tried found out the document, but i could not find something, so ask for help in here. |
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| 13:45.34 | stew | !depends typo3 |
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| 13:45.55 | [EaK]Konky | Hi |
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| 13:46.16 | [EaK]Konky | Is there a glibc package for version 2.3.1 i can get for my sarge distribution? 2.3.6 is the one that is used currently |
| 13:46.43 | dpkg | typo3: depends on typo3-src-3.7, typo3-site-installer, typo3-dummy | typo3-quickstart | typo3-testsite, mysql-server (>= 4.0.18) | mysql-server-4.1, exim | postfix | mail-transport-agent, php4-gd, graphicsmagick | imagemagick, gs, diff (>= 2.7), xpdf-utils, catdoc, xlhtml, ppthtml, unrtf |
| 13:46.59 | mikeg | Ok, about my question. I had got it . |
| 13:47.11 | mikeg | the configure file is here: /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 13:47.22 | stew | [EaK]Konky: 2.3.2 is the only one available for sarge, if you are running 2.3.6, you aren't running sarge anymore |
| 13:47.25 | stew | Tassium: do you know which package has the actual dependency on apache2|apache? |
| 13:47.39 | mikeg | and there is a parameter: SHM_SIZE |
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| 13:48.11 | mikeg | we only need set the SHM_SIZE, so when you remount your file system, the tmpfs size will change you need |
| 13:48.19 | liable | !info typo3-src-3.7 |
| 13:48.21 | Tassium | stew: Yes, it appears to be typo3-src-3.7 |
| 13:48.25 | liable | !info typo3-src-3.7 sarge |
| 13:48.25 | dpkg | typo3-src-3.7: (Powerful content management framework (Core)), section web, is optional. Version: 3.7.0-8 (sid), Packaged size: 10715 kB, Installed size: 38312 kB |
| 13:48.42 | liable | meh, wrong cmd.. |
| 13:48.53 | stew | Tassium: oh, its php, so when you install typo3, install libapache-mod-php4 at the same time |
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| 13:49.09 | Tassium | stew: I already have libapache-mod-php4 installed as well |
| 13:49.34 | Tassium | Oh wait, I have mod-php5 |
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| 13:50.06 | [EaK]Konky | stew: hmm weird, i never installed another version |
| 13:50.24 | [EaK]Konky | i'd still need 2.3.1 because my compiled programs don't run on 2.3.1 anymore |
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| 13:50.39 | stew | [EaK]Konky: you probably added a testing or an unstable source (which you shouldn't do with sarge) and installed something that depended on a newer libc6 than what is available for sarge |
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| 13:51.07 | [EaK]Konky | hm ok possible |
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| 13:51.24 | [EaK]Konky | stew: you got an idea how to compile my stuff with another libc? ^^ |
| 13:51.41 | Tassium | stew: That's my problem, the packages depend specifically on php4, and I'm using php5 |
| 13:52.00 | [EaK]Konky | my problem: |
| 13:52.03 | [EaK]Konky | lib/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.2' not found (required by /tmp/dillo) |
| 13:52.27 | buccia | hi, what is the recommended way to install a cluster of machines? I have 7 clients to mirror-setup, i'd like to know if there is "the debian way" or at least "the quick way" |
| 13:52.33 | stew | [EaK]Konky: reinstall sarge |
| 13:52.44 | [EaK]Konky | no wait ^^ my problem is not the debian box |
| 13:52.55 | [EaK]Konky | my problem is the target linux which got an older libc |
| 13:53.08 | stew | [EaK]Konky: you are in the wrong channel then |
| 13:53.16 | [EaK]Konky | hm guess you are right |
| 13:53.35 | pitillo | can anyone take a look at this pakage -> locales in sarge http://pastebin.ca/54536 is th first time I see a dep problem in sarge |
| 13:53.48 | pitillo | s/th/the |
| 13:54.09 | kspath | mikeg: egrep -r shm /etc/ | egrep -v "gconf|kde" This might tell you other things that might impact shm. |
| 13:54.16 | Garp | (bebye) |
| 13:54.17 | stew | pitillo: do you have a source for main? or only for security? |
| 13:54.27 | stew | pitillo: can you also pastebin your sources.list? |
| 13:54.40 | pitillo | stew, for main and security update, for both |
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| 13:56.18 | pitillo | stew, yes, http://pastebin.ca/54537 the sources |
| 13:56.51 | pitillo | I think I didn?t nothing strange |
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| 13:57.44 | stew | pitillo: have you run apt-get update ? |
| 13:58.17 | mikeg | hi, kspath. I had got it . |
| 13:58.20 | pitillo | stew, yes, and an upgrade week by week |
| 13:58.30 | mikeg | the configure file is /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 13:58.30 | [EaK]Konky | how can i install older gcc versions ? |
| 13:58.32 | mikeg | thanks |
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| 14:00.10 | stew | pitillo: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" return for Installed: ? |
| 14:00.16 | [EaK]Konky | problem solved, ignore my question ;) |
| 14:00.39 | pitillo | stew, Installed: 2.3.5-13 |
| 14:00.50 | stew | pitillo: that's not sarge, that's older etch |
| 14:01.19 | stew | pitillo: and that's your problem, if you had libc6 from sarge you wouldn't have this problem |
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| 14:02.33 | pitillo | stew, arf then I need to check it and try to solve. That is the problem, and old sarge installation, arf. Thanks :) |
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| 14:03.26 | stew | pitillo: you can try "apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3" and pray. |
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| 14:03.34 | stew | pitillo: or you can finish upgrading to testing |
| 14:03.47 | pitillo | stew, downgrade to sarge? :P |
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| 14:03.53 | stew | pitillo: note that downgrading libc6 is probably dangerous, but others have reported it as working |
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| 14:04.11 | stew | !dbugs 348413 |
| 14:04.15 | dpkg | DONE:#348413:G[locales] locales: depends on glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 which isn't available in sarge; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:48:30 UTC |
| 14:04.23 | stew | pitillo: ^^^ |
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| 14:04.49 | berkes | hello, ive got my apache in a chrooted jail, but want it to access imagemagick convert. I am very new to this chrooted, so where to start looking? |
| 14:05.13 | pitillo | stew, well, I?ll remade the installation in the stable way, prefer than pray. I dont want to see the dep problem again. Thanks :) Time to backup? ... |
| 14:05.14 | berkes | should I make some wrapper script around convert? or symlink it, or just move the binary? |
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| 14:06.14 | stew | pitillo: you should backup on days ending in y |
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| 14:06.39 | pitillo | stew, nice one... :) |
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| 14:12.02 | ccg | how to activate the suspend button on my ibm t23 notebook |
| 14:12.32 | stew | ccg: /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 14:19.08 | Tassium | I'm getting cron reports from man-db about bad or missing files.. I'm using apt-file to search for the files and they're not part of any package. Anyone have any idea how I can find out where these came froM? |
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| 14:20.25 | Tassium | http://pastebin.com/707425 shows what I'm talking about. |
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| 14:21.18 | TraceGreen | Hello, i compile kernel myself, but i find it can not support sata, although i config all *SATA* in kernel config when compiling kernel |
| 14:22.10 | stew | Tassium: is that sid? |
| 14:22.33 | Tassium | stew: Partly. |
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| 14:23.00 | bibe | TraceGreen : you have to compile all sata support _and_ your sata controller support. do you have a working kernel (say, the debian installer kernel?) |
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| 14:24.05 | TraceGreen | bibe, yeah. |
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| 14:24.25 | TraceGreen | bibe, what do you mean about sata controller support? |
| 14:24.27 | nix | when trying to apt-get --reinstall passwd, i get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on passwd" |
| 14:24.44 | nix | aint that weird |
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| 14:25.18 | nix | ah. i cant mix it with several other packages. nevermind |
| 14:25.19 | Bac0n | i like to move root to new disk .... can i use rsync -av to what ? |
| 14:25.26 | stew | Tassium: it's well known that most (all?) the X manpages are missing in sid |
| 14:25.55 | bibe | TraceGreen : boot into that kernel and write the output of 'lsmod', so you'll find out the needed driver to have SATA working on your machine |
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| 14:26.17 | TraceGreen | bibe, thanks! that's a good idea. |
| 14:26.20 | tiny | Bac0n: ye something like that. I would add -x so rsync -ax |
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| 14:26.31 | Bac0n | im not sure if chroot /new/disk && update-grub will work ? |
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| 14:27.21 | bibe | TraceGreen : no problem ;) |
| 14:27.25 | Tassium | stew: *grin* Obviously not THAT well known |
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| 14:27.51 | Bac0n | or should i dont another way for grub ? |
| 14:28.30 | Bac0n | new disk will be switch after rsync and grub works |
| 14:28.36 | tiny | Bac0n: grub-install /dev/newdisk |
| 14:28.41 | stew | !dbugs 362489 |
| 14:28.43 | Bac0n | with old |
| 14:28.44 | dpkg | DONE:#362489:N[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: Missing manpages; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:33:02 UTC |
| 14:29.11 | Bac0n | i dont need to update-grub ? |
| 14:29.11 | juron | i have to re-compile a program in order to run it after every boot. what is wrong? |
| 14:29.20 | stew | done? hmm |
| 14:29.37 | TraceGreen | bibe, but, i can not find any modules about sata? |
| 14:29.59 | tiny | Bac0n: dunno, play with it for a while, reboot and stuff, add things as they are needed |
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| 14:31.09 | bibe | TraceGreen : paste the output at http://pastebin.com |
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| 14:31.30 | Bac0n | ok :)= |
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| 14:34.53 | charzero | Is something wrong if I have 1 network interface, and `route` takes 20 seconds to figure out the default gateway? |
| 14:35.05 | Nykheyn | !gnome themes |
| 14:35.05 | dpkg | methinks gnome themes is see theme |
| 14:35.12 | Nykheyn | !gnome-themes |
| 14:35.19 | Funkmaster | sounds like it |
| 14:35.21 | stew | charzero: its trying to resolve the reverse dns |
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| 14:35.33 | Nykheyn | how to add install gnome themes? |
| 14:35.33 | stew | charzero: "route -n" should give instantaneous results |
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| 14:35.45 | charzero | stew: ah. thanks. |
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| 14:35.53 | stew | !forget gnome themes |
| 14:35.53 | dpkg | i forgot gnome themes, stew |
| 14:35.56 | Nykheyn | *how to install other gnome themes? |
| 14:36.06 | bibe | how can I "force" a secondary nameserver to update a zone I've just updated on the primary ns? |
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| 14:36.41 | Funkmaster | can anybody advise me or just name some application with which i can stream from a video source to a website, or has an url as output, but not stream or grab single images but a live feed? |
| 14:36.44 | SlammerXP | bibe: stop the server, delete the zone cache file, restart server |
| 14:36.46 | stew | bibe: "rndc reload zonename" or "rndc reload zonename IN external" |
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| 14:37.11 | stew | bibe: did you bump the serial number of the zone on the master? |
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| 14:37.30 | juron | i have to re-compile a program in order to run it after every boot. what is wrong? |
| 14:37.40 | stew | juron: what program? |
| 14:37.45 | bibe | stew : yes, and it's bigger than the previous one |
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| 14:38.12 | stew | bibe: try the reload commands above on the slave |
| 14:38.30 | Nykheyn | *how to install other gnome themes? nobody know that? |
| 14:38.31 | juron | stew: it is a SmartLink usbmodem driver called slmodemd. |
| 14:38.31 | stew | bibe: and watch /var/log/daemon.log when you do |
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| 14:38.46 | stew | juron: why do you have to recompile it? |
| 14:38.51 | stew | juron: or, what makes you think you do |
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| 14:39.19 | screeny | speak german? |
| 14:39.24 | stew | !de |
| 14:39.25 | dpkg | i heard de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:39.30 | juron | stew: because it is no more there after boot. command not recognised, dev not listed. |
| 14:39.44 | stew | juron: which dev? |
| 14:40.05 | juron | slusb0 - slusb3 |
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| 14:40.18 | stew | juron: do you have udev installed? |
| 14:40.19 | Ronin | Nykheyn: im sure a gnome specific channel does |
| 14:40.50 | juron | stew: no, but does it affect things? |
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| 14:41.21 | juron | stew: need to check on that, to be sure, but how? |
| 14:41.30 | stew | juron: you must either have udev installed or you are running devfs |
| 14:41.35 | kspath | !tell Nykheyn about gnome |
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| 14:41.51 | juron | stew: i think i am runnign devfs. |
| 14:41.52 | stew | juron: does "dpkg -l udev" spit out a line starting with "ii" or "hi"? |
| 14:42.19 | [EaK]Konky | Anyone knows if i can go back to glibc 2.3.1 somehow on my debian testing ? |
| 14:42.46 | Nykheyn | ok thanks |
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| 14:43.00 | juron | stew: it is 'ii'. |
| 14:43.17 | mikeX | hello, is there a way to purge the configuration files of uninstalled packages (packages marked as 'c' in aptitude)? |
| 14:43.23 | stew | juron: then you need to search for how to add rules to /etc/udev in order to create those /dev/ nodes at boot |
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| 14:43.44 | stew | juron: googling for "slusb0 udev" should hopefully find you what you need |
| 14:43.51 | Funkmaster | can anybody advise me or just name some application with which i can stream from a video source to a website, or has an url as output, but not stream or grab single images but a live feed? |
| 14:43.55 | stew | mikeX: dpkg -P packagename |
| 14:44.31 | juron | stew: so, i am using udev? i would want to take it out. it is a pain creating those rules. |
| 14:44.55 | mikeX | thanks stew |
| 14:45.02 | stew | juron: do you use gnome-volume-manager? what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:45.15 | bibe | stew , SlammerXP : 'rndc reload <zonename>' did reload the zone (wow!), thank you for pointing me to rndc |
| 14:45.42 | juron | i am using kernel-2.6.15 |
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| 14:46.13 | juron | i know i can do without udev. have done it before. |
| 14:46.28 | stew | juron: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:46.36 | juron | 2.6.15 |
| 14:46.50 | stew | juron: when you compiled your kernel, did you use an initrd? |
| 14:47.01 | juron | no |
| 14:47.39 | stew | juron: i'm just wondering why you install udev in the first place then. |
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| 14:48.12 | juron | stew: don't know why. i'll just remove it. thks. |
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| 14:49.03 | stew | how much you wanna bet that juron's "uname -r" actually says 2.6.15-1-686 and he has an initramfs-tools initrd which won't boot without udev |
| 14:49.09 | stew | i'll bet a bunch |
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| 14:50.23 | taner_c | hallo |
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| 14:51.25 | taner_c | wie groß ist denn DebianPaket, muss man alle 14-15 ISO dateien runterladen? |
| 14:51.34 | mvfeinstein | Hi can anyone here help me. I installed debian testing last night from the net install cd when I booted into the system for the first time I could not connect to the network. If i run ifconfig it shows my mac address as having an extra 8 "0" and I am unable to get an ip address from the dhcp server. Can anyone help me fix this? |
| 14:51.39 | stew | !de |
| 14:51.39 | dpkg | somebody said de was Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:52.04 | thingfish | taner_c: if you have a fast internet connection, just get the first one and then do an http install for the rest. |
| 14:52.30 | taner_c | thingfish: it's about 9 GB, dvd version |
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| 14:52.45 | Ronin | taner_c: dont need that, you can get it though if you want |
| 14:52.45 | thingfish | !d-i taner_c |
| 14:52.45 | dpkg | taner_c, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 14:53.08 | thingfish | taner_c: do the netinstall, then you only download what you need. |
| 14:53.49 | taner_c | thingfish: can i upgrade my Kanotix(based Debian) version to Debian |
| 14:53.55 | taner_c | ? |
| 14:53.56 | thingfish | taner_c: no |
| 14:54.01 | taner_c | oh |
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| 14:54.15 | stew | taner_c: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 14:54.24 | _iQ__ | Hello |
| 14:54.33 | thingfish | yeah, but that doesn't upgrade, does it? Just installs in place of? |
| 14:54.33 | taner_c | What is the differences between both Vesion ? |
| 14:54.47 | stew | !chroot install is also ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 14:54.48 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 14:55.18 | mvfeinstein | Can anyone here help me figure out why ifconfig says my mac address has an extra 8 "0" and fix it so that I can get an ip address from my dhcp server? |
| 14:55.29 | biblio | OLK |
| 14:55.33 | biblio | P |
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| 14:56.11 | thingfish | stew: won't the debootstrap method replace everything, leaving nothing behind of the previous installation? |
| 14:56.33 | stew | thingfish: no, it would be installing into a chroot or another partition leaving everything |
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| 14:56.42 | thingfish | oh huh |
| 14:57.10 | stew | thingfish: you are thinking of debtakover |
| 14:57.16 | thingfish | oh yes! sorry |
| 14:57.18 | taner_c | what is included in network installation paket ? |
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| 14:57.32 | nitalaut | hi everyone |
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| 14:58.01 | thingfish | !greet nitalaut |
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| 14:58.02 | dpkg | Tag, nitalaut |
| 14:58.40 | bibe | I am using a "default" Etch system, with a self compiled kernel very similar to the 2.6.16-1-686-smp from Sid. I can't blacklist hw_random module, even if I do both "echo blacklist hw_random >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" and "echo hw_random > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/hw-random". Should I also remove the line saying "alias char-major-10-183 hw_random" from /etc/modprobe.d/aliases? |
| 14:58.53 | taner_c | i ask in debian.de.. Thank you |
| 14:59.15 | Ronin | taner_c: bare bones install is on the n-i, you would get the rest using apt-get |
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| 15:00.03 | taner_c | Ronin: only system files? without extra programm .!? |
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| 15:01.42 | taner_c | and kde or gnome? |
| 15:01.45 | vinzbn | Hi ! how to integrate the protocol H.225 into my debian ? (to let pass the pptp through iptables) |
| 15:02.25 | Ronin | taner_c: as i recall no, but like i said you'd use apt-get to install that once you set up your source list |
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| 15:02.36 | Tassium | vinzbn: Try this page: http://max.kellermann.name/projects/netfilter/h323.html |
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| 15:03.17 | mvfeinstein | Can anyone in here help me get my nic working? |
| 15:03.27 | taner_c | Ronin: but i dont know, what i need for Kde ,( which packets i need) |
| 15:04.08 | stew | taner_c: after you install the netinst, "apt-get install kde" |
| 15:04.33 | stew | errr, "apt-get install kde x-window-system-core" |
| 15:04.42 | taner_c | ok |
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| 15:05.02 | taner_c | xorg , too? |
| 15:05.06 | Blissex | !anyone |
| 15:05.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:07.07 | vinzbn | Tassium > hmm it seems like to be the h.323 protocole ... would that work for the pptp conntrack ? |
| 15:07.39 | Ronin | taner_c: not in stable but in testing and unstable |
| 15:07.42 | Tassium | vinzbn: I realize that, but mid-way down the page it mentions h.225 |
| 15:07.50 | Ronin | taner_c: maybe a trip to www.debian.org is in order? |
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| 15:08.46 | taner_c | ? i dont understand Ronin |
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| 15:12.14 | vinzbn | Tassium > I've tried with the patch-o-matic ip_conntrack_pptp patch with the help of an excellent tutorial, but as I'm a "kernel patching newbie", I'm not able to make it work ... :( |
| 15:13.02 | vinzbn | Tasium > so let it fall. I was hoping someone should had a magic formula to make it work. |
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| 15:16.20 | Poseiden | exim4-daemon-heavy + clamav. No mention of sophie anywhere in configuration. Nonetheless, I get the following error on every message: malware acl condition: unable to connect to sophie UNIX socket (/var/run/sophie). errno=2 |
| 15:16.55 | Poseiden | Commenting out the av_scanner rids me of the error... and virus protection. |
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| 15:22.16 | bwlang | i'm selling a computer with debian installed... anybody know how to get it to re-do the end of the setup (ask for root passwd, add a new user ...) |
| 15:22.36 | stew | bwlang: run base-config |
| 15:23.00 | parag0n | I'm currently building a thin client that will be connected to my home server, but want to have the cdrom on the thinclient accessible automatically on the server as a local drive, is this possible? |
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| 15:23.16 | bwlang | stew: okay - should i put that in rc.d? i'm googling now for some doc on that - but maybe you know... |
| 15:23.33 | Poseiden | parag0n: sure. You need some kind of sharing - SMB or the like. |
| 15:23.43 | grendal_prime | im trying to encode mp3s into my swf files, anyone ever done this? |
| 15:23.47 | Tassium | bwlang: If you put it in a startup script, make sure you have it test to make sure it does that once, and not every boot |
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| 15:24.15 | parag0n | but then it'd just appear with a samba share, what i really want is a virtual cd-drive |
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| 15:24.18 | bwlang | Tassium: sure!... i'm hoping to just replicate what setup does. |
| 15:24.18 | stew | bwlang: yeah, i'm not sure where in the init process though |
| 15:24.27 | Poseiden | bwlang: easiest thing to do is to have your own startup script run as init on the first boot, and then eat itself. |
| 15:24.54 | Poseiden | parag0n: what is the server? |
| 15:25.08 | xored | i got a new webserver and i dont know, how to configure the mail-access. Wheater its pop3 or mail. How can i check this ? where are the configuration files |
| 15:25.56 | bwlang | Poseiden: i guess i could put in a grub entry and pass init=/scriptname then wipe out the grub entry during shutdown... |
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| 15:26.55 | Poseiden | bwlang: right |
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| 15:27.43 | parag0n | Poseiden, both machines run debian |
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| 15:29.22 | parag0n | sorry, did you say something? xchat crashed |
| 15:29.28 | Funkmaster | can anybody advise me or just name some application with which i can stream from a video source to a website, or has an url as output, but not stream or grab single images but a live feed? |
| 15:29.35 | Poseiden | parag0n: NFS or a similar system will allow you to map the network share as a local driv.e |
| 15:29.49 | parag0n | cool, i'll look into that |
| 15:30.25 | Poseiden | parag0n: NFS has some issues (it transmits a lot of informaiton in the clear, and exposes your machines to portmapper vulnerabilities), so I'd recommend something else. |
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| 15:31.16 | parag0n | i might use samba, i think there are some fancy scripts i can use iirc |
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| 15:31.19 | Poseiden | parag0n: I'm told CODA is the bees knees, and Linux has limited support for the Andrew File System. One of those might suck less. |
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| 15:31.24 | dererk | Hi everyone! :) |
| 15:31.53 | Poseiden | parag0n: nothing too fancy - you can mount samba shares or, if you prefer, use smbclient to treat them similarly to local devices. |
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| 15:35.17 | prace | hello, i have problem with iptables |
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| 15:35.28 | prace | is here somebody who can help me? |
| 15:35.39 | dererk | !somebody |
| 15:35.39 | dpkg | hmm... somebody is a person , who has a body |
| 15:35.45 | prace | :) |
| 15:35.49 | prace | bla bla |
| 15:36.01 | stew | prace: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 15:36.02 | dererk | prace, explain your problem first |
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| 15:36.37 | prace | ok the problem is that I'm using my linux computer as a router to the interval network |
| 15:36.42 | prace | with masquerade |
| 15:36.58 | dererk | go on |
| 15:37.00 | prace | everything was working |
| 15:37.04 | stew | prace: that doesn't seem like a problem |
| 15:37.21 | prace | but one day it stopped to be working |
| 15:37.31 | prace | and I don't know where is the problem |
| 15:37.33 | Ronin | prace: what you change? install that day? |
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| 15:38.00 | prace | I think that nothing |
| 15:38.01 | stew | prace: how were you setting up the masquerading? with a init script? |
| 15:38.05 | prace | yes |
| 15:38.16 | prace | iptables-restore |
| 15:38.17 | dererk | How could I remove a file which begins like this "-hi.odt" ? |
| 15:38.25 | dererk | I don't find it the way :-S |
| 15:38.27 | prace | and some file with configuration |
| 15:38.34 | stew | prace: does /etc/rc2.d/ synlimk still exist to the init script? |
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| 15:38.39 | petemc | dererk: mv -- -hi.odt foo ; rm foo |
| 15:38.41 | prace | -- -hi.odt |
| 15:39.18 | dererk | Great! |
| 15:39.27 | dererk | Thanks both :) |
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| 15:39.37 | prace | hm exactly I;m setting up iptables in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
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| 15:39.51 | prace | there is the script that i'm usng |
| 15:39.54 | prace | i |
| 15:40.13 | stew | dererk: or "rm ./-hi.odt" |
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| 15:40.51 | prace | # iptables -L -t nat |
| 15:40.52 | prace | Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) |
| 15:40.52 | prace | target prot opt source destination |
| 15:40.52 | prace | Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) |
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| 15:42.15 | dererk | prace, did you quit, or debhelper push to ? |
| 15:42.23 | lordnazgul | 2 quick questions: if i disable consoles in /etc/securetty, can i still login as user and su? and is it a problem if i disallow root login on tty1, i would still have a tty that allows it, but not the default one? |
| 15:42.27 | prace | debhelper |
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| 15:42.37 | dererk | prace, what did it do? |
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| 15:45.05 | prace | derek, do you any idea where can be the problem? |
| 15:45.32 | dererk | prace, Sorry, what problem? |
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| 15:45.38 | prace | with the iptables |
| 15:45.51 | stew | prace: does running the script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ directly still work? |
| 15:45.58 | _ericb | why is a tmpfs mounted on /dev/shm.. and unused ? what is the purpose of this filesystem ? |
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| 15:46.08 | prace | stew: yes |
| 15:46.15 | wombachi | I got "cant open root device rd/0" when booting a custom 2.4.32 initrd kernel (build on a unstable box). I already use "genromfs -d %s -f %s" as MKIMAGE in mkinitrd.conf. What can be wrong ? |
| 15:46.31 | prace | also the ip_forwarding is enabled :( |
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| 15:48.08 | stew | prace: does the script get run when you run /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 15:48.34 | prace | stew: yes I tried everything :( |
| 15:49.13 | stew | prace: if it gets run when you run /etc/init.d/networking start, then how is your network getting configured at boot? |
| 15:49.23 | Funkmaster | how can i install vlc using apt-get but with v4l2 support? |
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| 15:50.35 | Orfeous | is it possible to resize my root partition with reiserfs with any command or tool? |
| 15:51.00 | Tassium | resize_reiserfs |
| 15:51.03 | Orfeous | i want to take space from another partition on the same drive |
| 15:51.42 | Tassium | Use resize_reiserfs to shrink the filesystem. Then use a partition editor to shrink the partition. Then expand the other partition, then finally resize the other filesystem. What a mess, eh? |
| 15:52.15 | wombachi | In kernel args, I see "initrd=/install/initrd.gz" (ok, my initrd) bt also "root=/dev/rd/0" and "devfs=mount,dall". Where do they come from? Perhaps the "devfs=mount" is the cause of the bug on my custom 2.4.32 kernel (unable to mount root fs)? |
| 15:52.17 | Orfeous | can i do this on fly? |
| 15:52.37 | Orfeous | or do i have to reboot on floppy and do it that way? |
| 15:52.53 | prace | mmnt |
| 15:53.09 | Tassium | Orfeous: I know you can resize reiser filesystems on the fly, I don't know if you can resize the underlying partitions on the fly. |
| 15:53.31 | Orfeous | Tassium: ok.. hmm. |
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| 15:53.43 | wombachi | There is a cli to make kernel rereads partition tables, but I dont remember the cmd name |
| 15:53.51 | epsilon | .oO (bad word detected: reiserFS) |
| 15:54.40 | moshii_ | wombachi: the root one is for the initrd |
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| 15:55.06 | moshii_ | wombachi: initrd; initial ram disk rd/0; ram disk 0 |
| 15:55.31 | bwlang | Orfeous: be aware ... what you're proposing is *dangerous* - back up your stuff. i don't do that anymore... it's good to just move all your data off then put it back on anyway - think of it as spring cleaning. |
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| 15:56.30 | Orfeous | bwlang: uh? why? |
| 15:56.39 | Orfeous | i cant see any dangerous with that |
| 15:57.39 | bwlang | Orfeous: i've lost data more than once when fooling around with the partition table - it's easy to screw it up. Plus those tools are not exercised very much - so there may be bugs. |
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| 15:57.43 | quitte | Orfeous: i havent had any problems with resize-reisers. but i illed a lot of data with changing partition sizes. thats why i use lvm now. i wouldnt recommend resizing partitions at all. |
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| 15:58.08 | bwlang | Orfeous: you may want to look at gparted |
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| 15:58.27 | wombachi | moshii_ ok. The ramdisk is detected. I see "mounted root (ext2)" then "cant open root device rd/0". I dont understand what's the cause. I avoid Cramfs because it's debian-specific, but I'm quite lost now. |
| 15:58.38 | SlammerXP | "I want to learn how to resize a partition..." "no, you want to learn how to plan ahead" |
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| 15:58.58 | kspath | epsilon: What is .oO ? |
| 15:59.04 | Orfeous | i want to resize my resize my root partition so it will be increased in size and take the space from another partition on the same drive. |
| 15:59.14 | stew | wombachi: how is cramfs debian-specific? |
| 15:59.31 | quitte | Orfeous: we understand that. and it is not a good idea |
| 15:59.40 | Orfeous | ok, how to do then? |
| 15:59.54 | bwlang | Orfeous: i know... you don't sound like an expert (no offence meant...) i think you should move your data to another drive - resize how you want - then move back. |
| 15:59.54 | wombachi | stew I read than vanilla kernels have problems with cramfs (/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/HOWTO-Linux-2.6-Woody.gz) |
| 16:00.18 | Tassium | kspath: It's supposed to be a thought balloon. |
| 16:00.21 | quitte | Orfeous: backup. make lvm. play backup on system |
| 16:00.23 | stew | wombachi: thats very old information, cramfs is part of the mainline kernel now |
| 16:00.24 | wombachi | stew (search "genromfs" in the gz) |
| 16:00.31 | kspath | Tassium: IRC is a comic? |
| 16:01.08 | Orfeous | hmm i think im gonna skip the resizing.. sounds like its gonna be messy ;( |
| 16:01.13 | kspath | .oO(detects gas: I think I ate cabbage) |
| 16:01.16 | quitte | Orfeous: maybe you could just move usr to the partition you want to add instead? |
| 16:01.24 | stew | wombachi: you aren't running 2.6 on woody are you? |
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| 16:01.33 | kspath | Tassium: Wow, thanks. I never imagined IRC was a comic. |
| 16:01.33 | intx | should I use apache or apache2? which is more secure? |
| 16:01.43 | quitte | Orfeous: about how big partitions and how much data are you talking? |
| 16:01.53 | intx | I'm guessing apache2, but.. |
| 16:01.53 | wombachi | stew I try to install a 2.4 kernel on a Dell srv by customizing the netinst CD with a custom kernel |
| 16:02.06 | stew | wombachi: why 2.4 and not 2.6? |
| 16:02.47 | stew | !install on dell |
| 16:02.47 | dpkg | somebody said install on dell was http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=6815 |
| 16:02.50 | Orfeous | quitte: my root is 3gb and i want to increase it to 5gb |
| 16:02.55 | wombachi | stew I know 2.4 are very stable, I'm not sure about 2.6. I heard about initrd problmes for 2.6.12+ too |
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| 16:03.16 | quitte | Orfeous: and your root is completely filled? |
| 16:03.21 | wombachi | stew and I want running sarge on it (prod server) |
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| 16:03.52 | quitte | Orfeous: how about you use the 2G for /home? |
| 16:03.56 | wombachi | stew thanks for the link, I'll read it |
| 16:04.13 | sam_ | i'm looking for mysql-server/client 5.1 debs |
| 16:04.15 | Orfeous | quitte: 700mb available.. i cant install kernel sources and stuff like that. |
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| 16:04.20 | sam_ | (with little success on google) |
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| 16:04.25 | quitte | Orfeous: there are plenty of possibilities to use the diskspace without the risk of resizing partitions |
| 16:04.28 | Orfeous | quitte: /home have its own partition ;) |
| 16:04.38 | quitte | Orfeous: /usr ? |
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| 16:04.59 | Orfeous | quitte: 1.1gb |
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| 16:05.25 | [1]jerry | having a issue with ulimit -u in woody, the default is set to 256 ( dunno why so low ) , I set it to unlimited and the setting keeps reverting back to 256 and I can;t figure out what is changing it back |
| 16:05.37 | [1]jerry | any help? |
| 16:05.51 | wombachi | stew Where should I ask about that initrd problem? Perhaps a specific deb mailing list? |
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| 16:06.22 | phaidros | hi, I have probs with phpmyadmin. its saying "Could not load any language, please check your language settings and folder". just deinstalled all php4 stuff and installed php5 and then phpmyadmin .. config is as before .. any hints? |
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| 16:06.41 | quitte | Orfeous: well you should be able to figure out what's best now. as you have home on a seperate partition i would probably just reinstall and use lvm with xfs from the beginning. starting with several small volumes and growing them as needed |
| 16:06.46 | stew | wombachi: i don't know. do you need to use an initrd? why can't you use a kernel provided by dell? |
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| 16:07.22 | wombachi | stew Dell provide kernels for Redhat and Suze, I dont think Debian is really supported |
| 16:07.24 | MojoWork | hey, i used to be able to get tab completion with apt-cache search... |
| 16:07.25 | Orfeous | quitte: i like reiserfs |
| 16:07.33 | MojoWork | there was a special package needed though |
| 16:07.33 | quitte | Orfeous: you could even install on the partition you want to kill and see if it works for you and later kill the partition you want to grow and add it to the lvm |
| 16:07.37 | MojoWork | anyone remember it? |
| 16:07.41 | quitte | Orfeous: then use reiser. |
| 16:07.49 | stew | wombachi: dell provides debian installer isos |
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| 16:07.54 | xstasi | hi.. |
| 16:08.33 | xstasi | I can't install X on unstable |
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| 16:08.40 | xstasi | i'm not upgrading, i'm installing from scratch |
| 16:08.45 | xstasi | xfonts-utils is missing |
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| 16:08.50 | xstasi | any suggestions? |
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| 16:09.03 | phaidros | hi, I have probs with phpmyadmin. its saying "Could not load any language, please check your language settings and folder". just deinstalled all php4 stuff and installed php5 and then phpmyadmin .. config is as before .. any hints? |
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| 16:09.15 | phaidros | folder named "lang" is there .. |
| 16:09.30 | wombachi | stew somewhere on dell.com? It would be much simpler for me, if they have sarge install isos. |
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| 16:09.42 | Tassium | xstasi: I show 1:1.0.0-3 as being available in unstable, do you get file not found when you try to download? |
| 16:09.56 | xstasi | Tassium: no, I get no candidate |
| 16:10.08 | close_to_debian | how do i change my display resolution to 1280x960 |
| 16:10.19 | xstasi | close_to_debian: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:10.24 | close_to_debian | it does not work even after chaning xorg.conf |
| 16:10.24 | xstasi | or xserver-xfree if you run sarge |
| 16:10.49 | xstasi | Tassium: I've installed debian a few minutes ago |
| 16:10.53 | xstasi | i'm using ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:10.53 | Tassium | xstasi: How long ago did you update your package lists? I did it earlier today. |
| 16:10.56 | Tassium | So am I |
| 16:10.58 | stew | !google debian dell |
| 16:11.07 | dpkg | Google says debian dell is at http://linux.dell.com/distributions.shtml or http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2005/08/msg00062.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/06/msg00196.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/05/msg02080.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/05/msg01885.html |
| 16:11.21 | xstasi | maybe that's because I run amd64 |
| 16:11.36 | Tassium | xstasi: That's probably it then |
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| 16:12.58 | wombachi | stew Thanks. I'll continue googling. I just find linux.dell.com/files/debian/ |
| 16:13.53 | intx | what's the apt command for checking which package is installed based on priority? |
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| 16:14.08 | wombachi | intx apt-cache policy ? |
| 16:14.24 | intx | yea, thanks :) |
| 16:15.00 | intx | I was looking under the man page for apt-get, but didn't see anything |
| 16:15.27 | stew | xstasi: xfonts-utils should be available for amd64, at least according to pdo |
| 16:16.05 | xstasi | yep i just noticed i wasn't using fudo |
| 16:16.08 | xstasi | sorry |
| 16:16.09 | xstasi | :) |
| 16:17.42 | _ericb | if I use hdparm to change a drive parameter.. will it be maintained after reboot |
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| 16:20.30 | stew | _ericb: no, man hdparm.conf |
| 16:20.42 | _ericb | thx |
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| 16:21.41 | wombachi | _ericb if the param is "-d1", check your kernel. Perhaps the current kernel doesnt enable dma by default. |
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| 16:22.38 | _ericb | ok |
| 16:22.49 | _ericb | well it's sarge k7-smp 2.6.8 kernel I think.. |
| 16:23.00 | _ericb | is there a way to enable DMA by default ? |
| 16:23.44 | _ericb | without recompiling the whole kernel |
| 16:23.54 | cahoot | _ericb: if it's a debian kernel on dma isn't enabled something is wrong - check dmesg and logs |
| 16:24.15 | wombachi | _ericb grep DMA /boot/config-$(uname -r) to see if you should recompile |
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| 16:24.17 | cahoot | s/on/and/ |
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| 16:25.32 | _ericb | CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y |
| 16:25.44 | _ericb | but I still have no DMA after reboot |
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| 16:27.47 | zachhale | big question, okay, so i'm booted into linux and running off a partition on /dev/hda, i just accidentally did a mkfs on the /dev/hda..... what did i just do? |
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| 16:29.34 | Blissex | zachhale: something not very good. Sort of like you will have to reinstall... |
| 16:29.38 | blaa | How I to get screen shot? |
| 16:29.59 | dondelelcaro | blaa: import -winddow root foo.png |
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| 16:30.15 | Blissex | zachhale: if you did it on '/dev/hda' even worse news. |
| 16:30.28 | zachhale | blissex: i did :S |
| 16:30.45 | zachhale | *sigh* |
| 16:30.47 | Blissex | zachhale: how long ago? |
| 16:30.53 | zachhale | uh, 10 mins |
| 16:31.01 | Blissex | zachhale: too late then. |
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| 16:31.17 | zachhale | *sigh* |
| 16:31.26 | Blissex | zachhale: if you power off the PC _immediately_ after then the mess will not have been written to disk yet. |
| 16:31.35 | zachhale | ah |
| 16:31.39 | Blissex | zachhale: however there are partial good news. |
| 16:31.57 | blaa | dondelelcaro : I don't understand, sorry. |
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| 16:32.10 | Blissex | zachhale: how important is the stuff on any partition of that disk? |
| 16:32.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell blaa -about screenshot |
| 16:32.12 | zachhale | blissex: it's fine, i dont have any data i need |
| 16:32.27 | zachhale | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.32 | holycow | how do i list the user accounts and/or groups on a system via cli again? |
| 16:32.39 | zachhale | its inconvenient that i have to do this, but oh well |
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| 16:33.23 | asg | holycow: getent |
| 16:33.27 | holycow | ahQ |
| 16:33.31 | holycow | thx |
| 16:33.35 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 16:33.58 | seb- | !simple sid backport |
| 16:33.58 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 16:34.09 | Blissex | zachhale: ah better than the alternative. BTW 'mkfs' writes some tables to disk, but usually these are small and widely scattered, so they only overwrite a miniscule percentage of the data. |
| 16:34.23 | Blissex | zachhale: how extensive the damage is depends also on the type of the filesystem. |
| 16:34.24 | blaa | dondelelcaro, thanks. |
| 16:34.52 | zachhale | blissex: yeah, it's not a huge deal |
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| 16:40.40 | Benix | hi, how can I unpack a debianpackage so that I will also get those postinst/preinst postrm scripts? |
| 16:40.56 | Benix | ar -x or unp doesn't unpack those scripts |
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| 16:41.13 | dondelelcaro | Benix: dpkg-deb -x |
| 16:41.18 | Benix | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 16:41.25 | holycow | asg, that worked great, appreciate it |
| 16:41.26 | dondelelcaro | Benix: man dpkg-deb; for details. |
| 16:41.31 | Benix | dondek: yepp |
| 16:41.31 | passi | how do i get apt-get to reinstall and recreate config files i accidently deleted? |
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| 16:41.45 | asg | holycow: cool, you're welcome |
| 16:41.52 | Supaplex | apt-get install --reinsatll ; dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:41.58 | passi | Supaplex: thx |
| 16:42.35 | power1 | Hey all, I just wanted some opinions on the best way of backing up a debian system for clone purposes, I have a generic server install that I want to deploy again and again.....any suggestions? |
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| 16:43.29 | bwlang | here's a strange problem... my disk is clearly labeled as 12.0 G, but on boot i see 15240015 sectors (7802 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=16127/15/63... how can i correct this? |
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| 16:44.14 | blaa | I can't apt-get install gimp |
| 16:44.30 | passi | which package does /etc/cups/cupsd.conf come with? i deleted the whole /etc/cups directory and need to recreate it with the defaults |
| 16:44.38 | zinx | bwlang: put the correct label on it |
| 16:44.59 | zinx | bwlang: or check the bios |
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| 16:45.21 | bwlang | zinx: no it's really 12 g - cyl should be 16383 not 16127 |
| 16:45.54 | bwlang | zinx: it's attached via pcmcia -ide bridge - not a bios disk |
| 16:46.49 | Supaplex | how do I find <packages> with dependencies on "foo"? (installed or not) |
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| 16:47.08 | stew | Supaplex: apt-cache rdepends foo |
| 16:47.43 | passi | how do i find the package which contains the cupsd.conf default file? |
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| 16:48.21 | Knight_Lord | How can my debian nfs clients keeps on freezing due to iowait with a 2.6.16-1 kernel while my Fedora client works fine? What could be the problem? |
| 16:48.54 | passi | Knight_Lord: the name resolution |
| 16:49.00 | stew | passi: grep cupsd.conf /var/lib/dpkg/*conffiles |
| 16:49.10 | Knight_Lord | passi no they both resolve fine, and most of the time the debian machine works |
| 16:49.22 | bwlang | zinx: i'm going to try passing hde=16383,15,63 on the kernel prompt |
| 16:49.28 | Supaplex | stew: very cool. :) |
| 16:49.35 | stew | passi: actaull /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles |
| 16:49.51 | myboxen | im using debian testing (etch), my /etc/debian_version states testing/unstable |
| 16:49.58 | stew | Supaplex: if you want that to be recursive, there is the apt-rdepends package |
| 16:50.19 | myboxen | is there a way to determine which release is being used on a machine? |
| 16:50.48 | stew | myboxen: "apt-cache policy" or compare your installed libc6 against http://pacakges.debian.org/libc6 |
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| 16:51.55 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 16:51.55 | dpkg | it has been said that tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 16:51.57 | passi | stew: i just get "Your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf appears to have been manually edited. cupsys.postinst won't touch it." when trying to install cupsys. how can i force it to touch and recreate it? |
| 16:52.04 | myboxen | stew: if I were to add stable sources would the policy output change? |
| 16:52.42 | stew | passi: you can purge and reinstall the package, or remove the conffile, and --reinstall the package with confmiss, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:52.45 | Knight_Lord | It's ridiculous the last 500 lines of my dmesg are "nfs: server davinci not responding, still trying" and "nfs: server davinci OK" |
| 16:52.54 | stew | myboxen: yes. but you shouldn't mix stable and non-stable |
| 16:53.04 | Knight_Lord | But the server is perfectly fine and the ssh connection to it never dropped |
| 16:53.11 | myboxen | stew: I agree but it is possible for someone to do that. |
| 16:53.18 | myboxen | stew: thanks |
| 16:54.36 | Knight_Lord | Are there any weird scheduler options on the debian kernels that don't exist on the fedora kernels? |
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| 16:55.06 | Knight_Lord | It can become almost impossible to work with this iowait problems |
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| 16:57.54 | passi | stew: thx. it worked out that way. :( |
| 16:57.55 | passi | :) |
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| 16:59.33 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
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| 16:59.47 | zachhale | Hello, EnsignRedshirt. |
| 16:59.54 | power1 | Hey all, I just wanted some opinions on the best way of backing up a debian system for clone purposes, I have a generic server install that I want to deploy again and again.....any suggestions? |
| 17:01.20 | EnsignRedshirt | According to the debian web page, there has been a security update for libtiff4 (the new version is 3.7.2-3sarge1). I've done a Reload in synaptic (and I have the security repository enabled), but the new version does not show up. |
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| 17:01.36 | Tassium | G-Unit_Soldier: Anything in the SMTP server's logs? |
| 17:01.42 | passi | anyone got any idea why my printer on lp0 wont get recognized? i just plugged it in and remodprobed the parport_pc, parport and lp modules but it wont recognize my printer |
| 17:01.59 | Tassium | passi: When you say "it" won't recognize your printer, define "it" |
| 17:02.19 | passi | in dmesg i get lp: driver loaded but no devices found |
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| 17:02.27 | Ronin | EnsignRedshirt: not made it to the mirror your using yet perhaps? |
| 17:02.30 | leOn | 'lo |
| 17:02.42 | adamboettiger | Is the debian irc for Mac users 'debian-ppc'? |
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| 17:03.14 | stew | adamboettiger: #debianppc |
| 17:03.15 | leOn | was wondering if anyone uses the usermin-postgresql interface... having some doubts about it |
| 17:03.39 | adamboettiger | thx! |
| 17:03.39 | azeem | EnsignRedshirt: I heard about syncing issues with the security mirrors |
| 17:04.11 | EnsignRedshirt | Ronin: I have http://security.debian.org/ as the url in sources.list. Is that a mirror of another site? |
| 17:04.32 | passi | Tassium: you got any idea? |
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| 17:05.59 | bwlang | anybody know how to determine the kernel's partition table? somewhere in /proc? |
| 17:06.15 | stew | bwlang: /proc/partitions |
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| 17:06.26 | bwlang | stew: thanks! |
| 17:06.37 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: security.debian.org points to 2 different machines |
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| 17:07.08 | EnsignRedshirt | stew: I see. |
| 17:07.29 | EnsignRedshirt | How long does it usually take to sync the security mirrors? |
| 17:07.35 | mykhi | hi, i have installed kernel image 2.6.14.16, and it doesnt detect my cd-rom ;( any hints? |
| 17:07.41 | adamboettiger | I downloaded the i386 DVD image and the business card install and am unable to boot from these media on a MacBook Pro (new intel dual core laptop). Any ideas? |
| 17:07.46 | Tassium | passi: Sorry, no I do not |
| 17:08.15 | sshSesion | is possible to install debian on iBook ??? |
| 17:08.28 | sid | sshSesion: yes |
| 17:08.31 | sid | !tell sshSesion about ppc |
| 17:08.45 | sid | sshSesion: You might want to /join #debianppc |
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| 17:08.55 | sshSesion | OK |
| 17:08.59 | asg | he's talking about an intel dual core though; I don't know if the ppc folks will be friendly but it might be worth a shot. |
| 17:08.59 | cureless | aren't some of the new ibooks intel? |
| 17:09.00 | sshSesion | thx |
| 17:09.01 | blaa | dpkg, Failed to execute child process "gnome-screenshot" (No such file or directory). |
| 17:09.19 | sid | adamboettiger: Change your bios settings so you boot order is different? |
| 17:09.26 | blaa | dpkg, how do I do? |
| 17:09.33 | sid | asg: I meant for sshSesion |
| 17:09.35 | sid | Not adamboettiger |
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| 17:10.15 | asg | sid: I thought he was asking in general reference to the question adamboettiger posed |
| 17:10.29 | sid | blaa: apt-get install gnome-utils |
| 17:10.44 | EnsignRedshirt | blaa: Perhaps you meant "gnome-panel-screenshot"? |
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| 17:11.03 | adamboettiger | I'm on 'debianppc' now as well and they're referring me to ubuntu. Wonder if anyone has successfully installed debian on it yet. I would (naturally) prefer to use debian rather than ubuntu. |
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| 17:11.18 | blaa | EnsignRedshirt, yes |
| 17:11.19 | sid | adamboettiger: many many people have |
| 17:11.20 | user{ | hola |
| 17:11.23 | user{ | hola |
| 17:11.25 | sid | !es |
| 17:11.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:11.28 | user{ | hola |
| 17:11.33 | user{ | hola |
| 17:11.34 | azeem | adamboettiger: what kind of Mac do you ahve? |
| 17:11.34 | user{ | }aka |
| 17:11.35 | user{ | kala |
| 17:11.38 | sid | !ops flooder == user{ |
| 17:11.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: flooder == user{ |
| 17:11.48 | user{ | hola |
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| 17:12.32 | sid | azeem: can't he rejoin with a changed ident and evade that ban? |
| 17:12.38 | stew | adamboettiger: perhaps you could boot the ubuntu livecd and use debootstrap |
| 17:12.49 | ecliptik | can you disable the SSH identification when you connect to port 22? Like say with netcat? |
| 17:12.54 | sid | Or are the bots so common..you know their behaviors/capabilities now. |
| 17:13.06 | myboxen | stew are you running stable testing or unstable? |
| 17:13.15 | stew | myboxen: yes, yes, and yes |
| 17:13.19 | myboxen | hehe |
| 17:13.26 | sid | ecliptik: /join #openssh maybe...I don't know the answer to your question. |
| 17:13.35 | myboxen | could you run a command for me real quick to see if the logic is solid |
| 17:13.48 | stew | myboxen: what's that? |
| 17:14.00 | bwlang | what's the fastest way to copy all the files from /mnt/src to /mnt dst ? cp -ax ? cpio ? tar? |
| 17:14.00 | myboxen | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep '# deb cdrom:' | awk '{print $6}' |
| 17:14.05 | blaa | sid,thanks |
| 17:14.14 | stew | myboxen: i don't have any cdrom sources |
| 17:14.22 | sid | blaa: sure no problem |
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| 17:14.37 | bwlang | they're different geometries - so i don't think i can use dd |
| 17:14.47 | myboxen | neither do i, thats why there commented out, you deleted those lines? |
| 17:15.12 | stew | myboxen: yes. what exactly are you after, there would not necessarily be a $6 |
| 17:15.18 | blaa | bye |
| 17:15.22 | sid | bwlang: rsync maybe? |
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| 17:15.39 | myboxen | in my sources.list, after install debian commented out that line |
| 17:15.56 | stew | myboxen: you can setup a cdrom line with apt-cdrom |
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| 17:16.08 | myboxen | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20060418)]/ etch main |
| 17:16.34 | valdyn | bwlang: why don't you just use cp? |
| 17:16.52 | myboxen | stew: im trying to write a subroutine that will definitevely determine which version/tree the system was installed as |
| 17:16.59 | myboxen | stable, testing, unstable etc... |
| 17:17.03 | bwlang | valdyn: that's one of the options... i just want to be sure i'm using the fastest method - this is an old slow computer |
| 17:17.06 | sid | bwlang: copying files takes a long time...doesn't matter what tool you use. |
| 17:17.14 | sid | bwlang: depending on how much data you have...it could take many hours. |
| 17:17.23 | myboxen | examining the kernel won't work because they could have changed it. |
| 17:17.33 | valdyn | bwlang: the tool isnt going to make a significant difference unless the destination already contains files or parts |
| 17:17.38 | bwlang | i can imagind some tools being worse than others - eg: not doing buffered reads, etc. |
| 17:17.54 | sid | myboxen: But I always remove that cdrom line on all my systems |
| 17:17.54 | valdyn | bwlang: that would hardly matter |
| 17:18.00 | myboxen | ok |
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| 17:18.00 | valdyn | bwlang: your kernel buffers IO |
| 17:18.09 | leOn | fsck ... shouldn't the postgresql usermin module only show the databases for the logged in user? |
| 17:18.13 | myboxen | thanks anyway, im sure if you do that many others do as well. |
| 17:18.20 | myboxen | so its not a good method to use. |
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| 17:18.26 | brosioz | hi |
| 17:18.35 | brosioz | i want to have kernel messages |
| 17:18.38 | brosioz | on my console |
| 17:18.38 | sid | !greet brosioz |
| 17:18.38 | dpkg | Tag, brosioz |
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| 17:18.48 | sid | brosioz: use root-tail |
| 17:18.49 | brosioz | i need to edit syslogd.conf ? |
| 17:18.59 | sid | brosioz: tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 17:19.03 | sid | And leave the console opne. |
| 17:19.05 | sid | open* |
| 17:19.18 | brosioz | sid: i want to show them on all console |
| 17:19.19 | tejing | is there a known bug about debian unstable's sa-learn spewing out the same error message like crazy? |
| 17:19.20 | sid | brosioz: Or use root-tail to print /var/log/messages to your alpha layer of X, and it will appear on your background. |
| 17:19.46 | sid | brosioz: So when someone starts a terminal you want them to see /var/log/messages? |
| 17:19.59 | sid | brosioz: Or when someone logs into X you want /var/log/messages to be their background? |
| 17:20.06 | sid | !tell tejing about unstable |
| 17:20.08 | sid | !tell tejing about bts |
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| 17:20.28 | sid | !tell leOn about posgresql |
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| 17:21.11 | sid | !tell leOn about postgresql |
| 17:21.36 | sid | leOn: There are almost 300 people in #postgresql if you want to ask your question there. |
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| 17:21.57 | sid | brosioz: per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 17:22.23 | tejing | sid: I just checked, the version is the same in testing and unstable. so it's testing, really |
| 17:22.27 | leOn | sid: you're right ... must be a better place to ask this =) |
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| 17:23.56 | sid | tejing: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:24.07 | sid | !tell tejing about ask |
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| 17:25.48 | tuvwx | i have a pinned package.. yet whenever i do a dist-upgrade (mark all upgrades in synaptic) it gets upgraded and all of its dependencies get listed in the "additional required changes" list |
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| 17:27.24 | tejing | sid: I'm running sa-learn on 2 mbox files, nothing wierd |
| 17:27.34 | sid | tejing: What is sa-learn? |
| 17:28.03 | MesCIA | spam assasin learn module |
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| 17:28.14 | tejing | sid: it's the spamassassin bayes learner |
| 17:28.14 | stew | tejing: did you check the bts? |
| 17:28.23 | tejing | stew: yes, nothing |
| 17:28.35 | stew | tejing: ask #spamassassin maybe |
| 17:28.52 | sid | o, sa is spamassasin |
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| 17:29.22 | sid | tejing: sorry no idea |
| 17:29.36 | tejing | I suppose it could actually be a bug in perl, not spamassassin... |
| 17:29.38 | sid | tejing: I know a lot of programs spit out errors like crazy..but they still work fine. |
| 17:29.38 | grendal_prime | whats the mencoder command to get the bitrate of a particular mp3.. |
| 17:29.46 | grendal_prime | thought it was -info |
| 17:29.56 | sid | Like gnomebaker spits out a gtk error 200 times...but works just fine. It's been like this for a year. |
| 17:30.33 | tejing | sid: no, sa-learn just started doing this, and at the end it says it learned for about 1% of the messages it saw, where it should be learning from about 99% of them, since it's never seen them before |
| 17:31.03 | grendal_prime | gnome seems to be like that |
| 17:31.08 | sid | grendal_prime: /join #mplayer ? |
| 17:31.11 | tuvwx | gnome misses equivalents to k3b and amarok |
| 17:31.18 | grendal_prime | tejing, are you specifying that its a mbox or are they in files? |
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| 17:31.43 | grendal_prime | good call sid you should be a metal! |
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| 17:34.47 | xstasi | hi |
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| 17:35.05 | xstasi | i recompiled kernel sources 2.6.16 from unstable, after applying the bootsplash patch |
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| 17:35.20 | xstasi | i'm running the recompiled kernel but there isn't any /proc/splash |
| 17:35.32 | tejing | I think I just figured out the problem: I was pointing sa-learn at a pipe.... it seems a rather strange error message for that, but that seems to be the defining factor |
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| 17:36.11 | grendal_prime | by the way sid, nobody is responding in #mplayer. |
| 17:36.16 | grendal_prime | they are all watching movies |
| 17:36.17 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 17:36.21 | tejing | I was doing sa-learn --mbox --ham <(gunzip -c ham.gz) --spam <(gunzip -c spam.gz) |
| 17:36.34 | tuvwx | :) |
| 17:37.00 | xstasi | noone knows? |
| 17:37.33 | MesCIA | xstasi is bootsplash in kernel? |
| 17:37.56 | xstasi | MesCIA: i patched and selected it in the device drivers section |
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| 17:38.36 | MesCIA | xstasi i dont know |
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| 17:43.39 | grendal_prime | jesus tejing why dont you try something complicated |
| 17:43.42 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 17:44.29 | grendal_prime | never used any of the compression stuff with sa-learn and to be honest im not all that impressed with spamassasin anymore anyhow. |
| 17:44.40 | xomhau | anyone , what package for write to ntfs from linux? |
| 17:44.42 | grendal_prime | i mean after last weekend. even the isp went down |
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| 17:45.08 | grendal_prime | !ntfs |
| 17:45.08 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
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| 17:45.39 | stew | xomhau: writing to ntfs from linux is not recommended |
| 17:45.48 | grendal_prime | !captiventfs |
| 17:45.48 | dpkg | captive is probably The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 17:46.01 | tejing | grendal_prime: well, spamassassin still does the best job I can find of filtering out my spam, and I have what I understand is a pretty bad case of it (I have about a 10:1 ratio of spam to ham) |
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| 17:46.22 | grendal_prime | tejing, that sounds about nomal. |
| 17:46.38 | grendal_prime | im totally disgusted with the email protocol myself |
| 17:46.41 | xomhau | stew: i know , but i forget password my XP box :((, i want to remove file *sam* |
| 17:46.58 | segfault` | why not use ntpasswd to reset it? |
| 17:47.00 | Ronin | xomhau: why not just reset the password |
| 17:47.06 | xomhau | Ronin: how? |
| 17:47.09 | grendal_prime | ive decided that we are going to build our own email servers and deny everyone accpet those on an allow list |
| 17:47.11 | Ronin | ntpasswd |
| 17:47.20 | xomhau | Ronin: thank u |
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| 17:47.35 | grendal_prime | also we are going to impliment jabber server for our inter office comm. |
| 17:47.46 | grendal_prime | its simpler. and instant |
| 17:47.47 | Ronin | heck olg on as local admin and reset it that way too |
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| 17:47.48 | xomhau | ntpasswd ? |
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| 17:47.57 | xomhau | ntpasswd is windows's soft? |
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| 17:48.18 | grendal_prime | xomhau, ya ive used it |
| 17:48.20 | grendal_prime | it works |
| 17:48.21 | Ronin | xomhau: yes and no, made for windows but as i recall its linux on a mine cd |
| 17:48.31 | Ronin | damn my typing really sucks today |
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| 17:48.36 | grendal_prime | Ronin, correc |
| 17:48.37 | joeyy | does anyone know popular rss read written php or perl that could be run from the web server? |
| 17:48.46 | xomhau | ok , thank all |
| 17:48.47 | Ronin | used it several times at my wifes company |
| 17:49.18 | grendal_prime | hehehe me too what is it with wifes companys |
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| 17:58.48 | jla | I am trying to use PerlModule B::TerseSize (libb-size-perl v0.05-1) with apache and libapache-mod-perl, but I get an error about Prototype mismatch: sub B::OP::size: none vs () |
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| 17:59.25 | Seb | what do I check for in a kernel config if neither my PS2 mouse nor my PS2 keyboard work at all ? The server still runs fine, I can ssh into it... |
| 17:59.40 | Seb | so I'm wondering what the person who compiled this kernel might have forgotten |
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| 18:00.14 | dwclarkNU | i'm looking for the best VPN server software to use on debian |
| 18:00.19 | ne0futur | Seb: you want the mouse on the server through ssh ? |
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| 18:00.39 | ne0futur | for mouse on console : /etc/init.d/gpm start |
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| 18:00.59 | Seb | ne0futur: nah. The server is sitting in front of me. I want direct access via mouse&kb |
| 18:01.06 | Seb | ne0futur: but they don't work at all right now |
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| 18:01.20 | stew | Seb: egrep CONFIG_INPUT_\(MOUSE\|KEYBOARD\) /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:01.28 | Seb | stew: thanks man |
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| 18:02.21 | shogunx | if anyone was running xfs-xtt before dist-upgrading, and now the package is not there, i have a fix. should it go in the bts? |
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| 18:02.27 | Seb | stew: they're all 'y', so they're in |
| 18:02.45 | Seb | stew: dang, why are they not working then ? This is baffling :\ |
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| 18:04.20 | echnaton | hey could you tell me how many problems do you have in the month using unstable/testing? |
| 18:04.41 | _jerry | I'm using debian 3.0 woody, the max user processes defaults to 256 and I want it to default to unlimited, when I use ulimit -u unlimited it changes it, but the it gets reset back to 256 later |
| 18:04.45 | _jerry | any idea's? |
| 18:04.49 | kos_tom | is there any way to workaround the current uninstallable state of emacs21 ? |
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| 18:04.54 | kos_tom | (in sid) |
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| 18:06.02 | dererk | Hi again o:) |
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| 18:08.48 | valdyn | !limits |
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| 18:09.00 | dererk | no limits! |
| 18:09.01 | dererk | ;) |
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| 18:09.32 | shai | anyone here use/know rlbackup ? |
| 18:09.45 | valdyn | _jerry: edit /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 18:10.30 | _jerry | valdyn: did that |
| 18:10.55 | _jerry | change it to root hard nproc unlimited |
| 18:10.55 | _jerry | root hard stack unlimited |
| 18:10.55 | _jerry | root soft nproc unlimited |
| 18:10.55 | _jerry | root soft stack unlimited |
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| 18:12.07 | hobophobe | how do I get module-assistant to use a specific version of gcc? CC="gcc-x.x" and then module-assistant auto-install module_name? |
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| 18:13.38 | hobophobe | (I tried module-assistant --cc="gcc-x.x" auto-install module_name but that didn't seem to do the trick) |
| 18:14.10 | x`y`-xy | how is bater ??? to start PROFtpd from inetd or indemendent ???? and why ???? |
| 18:14.17 | valdyn | hobophobe: what's wrong with the default? |
| 18:14.34 | mrec_ | what's the easiest way to forward 127.0.0.1:443 to eth0? |
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| 18:15.05 | hobophobe | valdyn, the dmesg when I use modprobe is that it used the wrong gcc version? |
| 18:15.14 | _jerry | valdyn: can I change the system wide default max user processes from 256 to unlimited in woody? |
| 18:15.20 | hobophobe | It says the module format is invalid |
| 18:15.35 | valdyn | _jerry: i dont think there's a limit by default |
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| 18:16.02 | hobophobe | so, I'm assuming I need to rebuild the module using the version of gcc it specifies. |
| 18:16.17 | _jerry | valdyn: ulimit -a max user processes = 256 |
| 18:16.26 | _jerry | in sarge it defaults to unlimited |
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| 18:16.38 | x`y`-xy | how is bater ??? to start PROFtpd from inetd or indemendent ???? and why ???? |
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| 18:18.01 | hobophobe | x`y`-xy, probably simpler to have inetd do it? Not really certain though. |
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| 18:19.09 | x`y`-xy | thanx |
| 18:19.22 | Supaplex | !lart quickbooks |
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| 18:19.58 | Thanatermesis | any person with a matrox PARHELIA ? |
| 18:20.14 | Thanatermesis | aparently not accept the version 6.9 of xorg but less... :/ |
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| 18:23.17 | VIm_Enforcer | who here has net installed his Deb? |
| 18:23.25 | VIm_Enforcer | to help me? |
| 18:23.30 | weasel00|work | i have net installed all of mine =) |
| 18:23.42 | VIm_Enforcer | weasel00|work: used floppies or cd |
| 18:23.44 | VIm_Enforcer | ? |
| 18:24.06 | weasel00|work | floppies =) |
| 18:24.11 | VIm_Enforcer | cool |
| 18:24.18 | VIm_Enforcer | how many do i need? |
| 18:24.22 | VIm_Enforcer | two? |
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| 18:24.40 | weasel00|work | physically one at the minimun |
| 18:24.44 | VIm_Enforcer | heh |
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| 18:24.58 | VIm_Enforcer | i wonder how can the kernel fit on one floppy :) |
| 18:25.07 | weasel00|work | burn one image on it.. use it. burn the next.. use it.. burn the third, use it. done |
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| 18:25.34 | VIm_Enforcer | weasel00|work: no burner |
| 18:25.35 | VIm_Enforcer | :( |
| 18:25.46 | hobophobe | root_, you should surely not IRC as root? |
| 18:26.11 | VIm_Enforcer | hobophobe: haxorers? :) |
| 18:26.23 | hobophobe | more than that, just in bad taste :oP |
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| 18:26.30 | VIm_Enforcer | heh |
| 18:26.57 | VIm_Enforcer | hobophobe: he probably surfs on runlevel 1 |
| 18:26.58 | VIm_Enforcer | :P |
| 18:27.02 | hobophobe | hehe |
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| 18:27.32 | weasel00|work | VIm_Enforcer : rawwrite if you are using windows |
| 18:27.40 | VIm_Enforcer | hehe |
| 18:27.48 | VIm_Enforcer | but |
| 18:27.55 | VIm_Enforcer | i'm on Mandt |
| 18:27.57 | VIm_Enforcer | i'm on Mandy |
| 18:27.58 | VIm_Enforcer | :P |
| 18:28.13 | VIm_Enforcer | if that was a remark to Debian net install |
| 18:28.14 | VIm_Enforcer | :P |
| 18:28.33 | weasel00|work | VIm_Enforcer : i dont recall what the disk image writing program is on that system. |
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| 18:29.08 | cortana | can one include multiple 'version' pseudoheaders when reporting a bug? |
| 18:29.12 | hobophobe | one solution to my gcc problem seems to be to replace the symbolic link to gcc with the correct version... but that seems less elegant than simply telling mod-ass to use the version I need? |
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| 18:29.32 | weasel00|work | VIm_Enforcer : write the boot.img file, and use that one to start the system up with, it will then ask for the 2nd image, write the second image to the same disk or next disc, and repeat for the third image.. it really is quite simple |
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| 18:30.28 | VIm_Enforcer | weasel00|work: you mean copy the image on the floppy? |
| 18:30.29 | weasel00|work | !dpkg what is otrs |
| 18:30.30 | dpkg | weasel00|work: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 18:30.48 | VIm_Enforcer | how to do that? dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0? |
| 18:30.59 | weasel00|work | VIm_Enforcer : there are specific floppy disk images to use |
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| 18:31.53 | VIm_Enforcer | weasel00|work: so i can write to floppy and install on the run? |
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| 18:32.25 | cusco | how do I tell apt-get not to check for a specific package dependencies? |
| 18:33.43 | mgoetze | cusco: possibly apt-get -o DPkg::options=--force-depends |
| 18:34.25 | stew | cusco: you generally don't want to do that. what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:35.18 | weasel00|work | VIm_Enforcer : yes if you are using one box as your install and the other to write the floppies |
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| 18:35.33 | VIm_Enforcer | weasel00|work: umm... |
| 18:35.38 | VIm_Enforcer | only one box |
| 18:35.40 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
| 18:35.48 | weasel00|work | gonna need 3 floppies then |
| 18:36.25 | VIm_Enforcer | heh |
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| 18:37.30 | VIm_Enforcer | i guess i'll ask a friend to burn me the images... |
| 18:37.33 | VIm_Enforcer | :) |
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| 18:42.03 | treyh0 | if i have debian installed in a chroot, and i have /proc mounted there, can i use sysvinit and sysv-rc safely in there to start/stop software? |
| 18:42.29 | treyh0 | like, chroot /opt/debian /sbin/init 3 |
| 18:43.09 | quitte | are contrib and non-free on the first debian dvd? |
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| 18:44.33 | keyhack | Is there a way to install a IPSec VPN server on a Debian stable box without having to recompile the kernel by hand? |
| 18:45.20 | sepski | keyhack, not with ipsec i think. |
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| 18:46.31 | keyhack | sepski: "The standard Debian kernel already includes support for IPSec" |
| 18:46.39 | keyhack | sepski: Thats what I get for reading :-) haha |
| 18:46.46 | sepski | in sarge ? |
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| 18:49.17 | keyhack | in stable |
| 18:49.22 | keyhack | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/freeswan |
| 18:49.29 | mtbk | test |
| 18:49.31 | x`y`-xy | i want to modify proftpd.conf ... its important where i add this section <IfModule mod_tls.c> in the file ??? |
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| 18:52.00 | thingfish | quitte: I know non-free isn't. |
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| 18:52.14 | x`y`-xy | i want to modify proftpd.conf ... its important where i add this section <IfModule mod_tls.c> in the file ??? |
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| 18:52.30 | thingfish | although I've been wrong about a bunch of things lately... |
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| 18:53.14 | azeem | non-free is on no media at all |
| 18:53.18 | azeem | I am not sure about contrib |
| 18:53.38 | thingfish | I wasn't sure about contrib either. |
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| 18:54.14 | thingfish | I was just reading this morning that the Debian distro consists of the packages in main. |
| 18:55.04 | stew | thingfish: reading the social contract? |
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| 18:55.25 | thingfish | stew: I think it was when I was puttering around the wiki. |
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| 18:55.44 | quitte | thingfish,azeem im just talking with some guys in #gnu that dont like to see non-free as part of the debian project. |
| 18:55.50 | stew | thingfish: it's in the social contract |
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| 18:56.00 | thingfish | cool, stew, thanks. |
| 18:56.13 | topsecret | hi guys!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:56.30 | topsecret | and girls as well:D |
| 18:56.37 | topsecret | D |
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| 18:56.52 | GoaZ | could someone help me? |
| 18:57.28 | comsa | ? |
| 18:57.28 | Ronin | !ask |
| 18:57.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:57.58 | GoaZ | Ronin i want to setup my monitor at 1024x768@120 hz |
| 18:58.20 | SlammerXP | GoaZ: okay, you have our permission to do so. |
| 18:58.24 | GoaZ | i already reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:58.34 | kspath | GoaZ: Only 120 Hz? Why not 150Hz? |
| 18:58.43 | GoaZ | but my refresh remains at only 85hz |
| 18:58.54 | GoaZ | i setup the correct H and V values |
| 18:59.28 | stew | GoaZ: if you setup the correct H and V values then your monitor probably doesn't do 120hz |
| 18:59.29 | thingfish | damn, do you really need more than 85? |
| 18:59.45 | GoaZ | i also tried xf86cfg -textmode |
| 18:59.48 | GoaZ | thingfish |
| 18:59.48 | GoaZ | yes |
| 19:00.00 | GoaZ | with windows i always used it at 120hz |
| 19:00.11 | GoaZ | my monitor is made to work at that refresh |
| 19:00.20 | stew | GoaZ: what did you put in for the H and V refresh rates? |
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| 19:00.31 | GoaZ | stew sure i did it |
| 19:00.50 | GoaZ | i took the values from my monitor manual |
| 19:00.53 | GoaZ | and put them |
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| 19:01.20 | GoaZ | both with dpkg-reconfigure and xfree86cfg-textmode |
| 19:01.35 | stew | GoaZ: read /var/log/Xfree86.0.log and see why the other modes are being thrown out then |
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| 19:01.47 | stew | GoaZ: or try running xrandr and see if the other refresh rates are listed |
| 19:01.58 | GoaZ | just a sec |
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| 19:02.36 | GoaZ | *0 1024 x 768 ( 361mm x 271mm ) *85 75 70 60 87 |
| 19:02.50 | GoaZ | its made to work at 120hz |
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| 19:02.58 | GoaZ | h: 30-107 v: 50-200 |
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| 19:04.49 | GoaZ | /var/log/Xfree86.0.log is empty |
| 19:04.49 | stew | GoaZ: wouldn't you need a higher horizontal sync than 107khz in order to get a vertical of 120? |
| 19:04.56 | stew | 107 * 768 |
| 19:04.56 | GoaZ | no |
| 19:05.02 | stew | !107 * 768 |
| 19:05.02 | dpkg | 82176 |
| 19:05.08 | GoaZ | ? |
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| 19:05.19 | stew | oh that's wrong |
| 19:05.21 | GoaZ | stew when my computer run on windoes |
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| 19:05.34 | GoaZ | i have 93.7 khz of Horizonatl |
| 19:05.43 | GoaZ | and 120 hz of vertical |
| 19:06.03 | stew | !93700 / 768.0 |
| 19:06.03 | dpkg | 122.005208333333 |
| 19:06.36 | stew | GoaZ: then you'll have to consult /var/log/XFree86.0.log as to why the other modes aren't being used. what driver are you using? |
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| 19:06.49 | GoaZ | ati |
| 19:07.04 | sid | GoaZ: Does it say "ati" or "fglrx"? |
| 19:07.14 | GoaZ | where sid? |
| 19:07.37 | stew | GoaZ: or perhaps you'll have to supply a custom modeline |
| 19:07.37 | GoaZ | how can i verify it? |
| 19:07.37 | sid | GoaZ: In your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 19:07.38 | GoaZ | i have xfree86 |
| 19:07.38 | GoaZ | not xorg |
| 19:07.46 | sid | In your /etc/X11/XFree86-Config? |
| 19:07.52 | sid | or I can't remember htat config name |
| 19:07.53 | GoaZ | just a second |
| 19:07.58 | GoaZ | just a seconds |
| 19:08.00 | GoaZ | let me verify |
| 19:08.20 | comsa | rotate your screen 90 deg that will do it |
| 19:08.31 | GoaZ | o_O? |
| 19:08.32 | sepski | are solaris cachefs or similar implemented in linux. idea is to grab a file once from NFS/SAMBA/whatever but write it twice, and still avoid haivng to nfg get it twice. |
| 19:08.42 | sid | GoaZ: What card model number do you have? |
| 19:09.28 | GoaZ | Section "Device" |
| 19:09.28 | GoaZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.28 | GoaZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:13.36 | GoaZ | so |
| 19:13.37 | mrec_ | how can I forward port 443 from eth0 to port 443 lo? iptables seems to be quite difficult when trying something like that |
| 19:13.55 | GoaZ | nobody can help me i see... |
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| 19:14.08 | mrec_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 443 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:443 doesn't work |
| 19:14.19 | sid | mrec_: /join #iptables |
| 19:14.23 | grendal_prime | GoaZ, i used the drivers from ati they work great |
| 19:14.25 | yassine | hello everyone |
| 19:14.31 | mrec_ | sid: well noone's active there |
| 19:14.31 | stew | mrec_: why do you want to do that? |
| 19:14.34 | sid | GoaZ: Try changing Driver "ati" to Driver "vesa" ? |
| 19:14.43 | stew | sid: why? |
| 19:14.43 | mrec_ | stew: educational purposes |
| 19:14.59 | mrec_ | I'd like to know how that works.. it cannot be that difficult |
| 19:15.10 | sid | stew: no idea...I don't know much about xorg |
| 19:15.11 | stew | mrec_: that line looks correct to me |
| 19:15.22 | mrec_ | when I try a telnet after adding that nat rule the remote client hangs, that means it gets no answer ... |
| 19:15.26 | sid | stew: But I have an ati rage mobility 7000, and some things don't work with the "ati" driver |
| 19:15.29 | kristalino | how to see logs of login ? |
| 19:15.29 | sid | But they work with vesa. |
| 19:15.55 | sid | stew: For example...if I want my laptop to connect to a projector, I change xorg.conf to "vesa" instead of "ati" because with vesa it works for me. |
| 19:16.06 | sid | !tell kristalino about logs |
| 19:16.13 | sid | kristalino: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:16.51 | kristalino | sid, "dpkg sid wants you to know: logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/". Great. |
| 19:16.52 | stew | ati driver works fine for me with my mobility 7000 with external vga |
| 19:17.08 | stew | kristalino: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:17.32 | mrec_ | wonder why iptables has such an idiotic syntax, at that point freebsd is way easier |
| 19:17.33 | sid | 15:16 < sid> kristalino: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:17.36 | GoaZ | stew any idea of what should i do to have a refresh rate of 120 hz? |
| 19:18.16 | stew | GoaZ: read the logs to see why it doesn't want to use 120 hz, if the driver doesn't have a built in mode for 120hz, you will have to supply a custom modeline in the monitor section |
| 19:18.47 | GoaZ | so tell |
| 19:18.58 | GoaZ | me how to suppl this custom modeline |
| 19:18.58 | GoaZ | and where |
| 19:19.13 | GoaZ | i already read the log |
| 19:19.30 | stew | GoaZ: and none of the builtin modelines are for 120hz? |
| 19:19.41 | GoaZ | II) RADEON(0): #2: hsize: 1024 vsize 768 refresh: 85 vid: 22881 |
| 19:19.42 | GoaZ | no |
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| 19:20.24 | GoaZ | Modeline "1024x768" 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync |
| 19:20.24 | GoaZ | (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 44.9 MHz, 35.5 kHz, 87.1 Hz (I) |
| 19:20.55 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 19:20.55 | dpkg | tetrinet is probably multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
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| 19:21.34 | GoaZ | stew |
| 19:21.40 | GoaZ | *Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz |
| 19:21.55 | GoaZ | this is the maximum i have |
| 19:23.09 | GoaZ | how can i add manually |
| 19:23.17 | GoaZ | another custom line? |
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| 19:23.51 | stew | GoaZ: yeah, you'll need a modeline calculator to generate a valid modeline which you put into the Monitor section |
| 19:24.26 | GoaZ | could u help me? |
| 19:25.00 | stew | GoaZ: http://www.zaph.com/Modeline/ |
| 19:25.50 | RichiH | !find vim sid |
| 19:26.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'vim' (8 of 61): (/usr/bin/vim.basic) in editors/vim ;; (/usr/bin/vim.tcl) in editors/vim-tcl ;; (/usr/sbin/vimotd) in net/ircd-hybrid ;; (/usr/bin/vim.gtk) in editors/vim-gtk ;; (/usr/bin/vim.tiny) in editors/vim-tiny ;; (/usr/bin/vim.full) in editors/vim-full ;; (/usr/bin/vim.ruby) in editors/vim-ruby ;; (/usr/bin/vim.perl) in editors/vim-perl. |
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| 19:27.21 | stew | RichiH: hoping to find vim7? |
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| 19:27.29 | RichiH | stew: what else |
| 19:27.34 | RichiH | there is none, though |
| 19:27.47 | RichiH | and, even worse, no perl completion |
| 19:27.59 | stew | RichiH: there is in experimental, but not sid yet. nobse blogged on planet about it |
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| 19:28.49 | RichiH | pdo shows 6.4 |
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| 19:29.37 | RichiH | stew: link? |
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| 19:30.42 | zulu | I can't remove my tv-fonts package, how do I force the remove cause everything is broken here... no more xorg erff... |
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| 19:31.07 | po0k | what's PREEMPT |
| 19:31.16 | stew | RichiH: actually the blog entry was kind of content free, but #366396 |
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| 19:32.07 | zulu | help! |
| 19:32.32 | RichiH | stew: ta, found it the very second you told me |
| 19:33.09 | zulu | is there a way to tell apt a package is removed even if it is not? |
| 19:33.17 | zulu | can't find a --force option |
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| 19:33.37 | stew | zulu: why would you want to do that? |
| 19:33.39 | YonaX | why would you want that |
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| 19:35.23 | zulu | I don't know I had the xorg.dsg and now it want to install the xorg everything... |
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| 19:35.50 | zulu | but my tv-fonts package is broken because mkfontdir is absent, and I can't install xbase-client anymore |
| 19:35.58 | zulu | deep trouble here :( |
| 19:36.03 | stew | zulu: what is xorg.dsg? |
| 19:36.22 | zulu | I don't know but I havn't what it use to be my x server |
| 19:36.35 | stew | zulu: mkfontdir is in xfonts-utils |
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| 19:36.51 | cptahab | bye |
| 19:36.53 | YonaX | why don't you install the things that xorg want |
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| 19:37.41 | chron | i'm trying to bootstrap, what cd would i need if i wanted the packages before hand? |
| 19:37.43 | zulu | apt-get intall xfonts-utils just tell it depends xutils |
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| 19:37.59 | willcee | hi you all |
| 19:38.04 | zulu | and then it tells is not going to be installed (what a pity) |
| 19:38.17 | stew | zulu: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:38.22 | zulu | unstable |
| 19:38.36 | zulu | when I try apt-get -f install it tells |
| 19:38.38 | sid | !greet willcee |
| 19:38.38 | dpkg | Salutations, willcee |
| 19:38.53 | stew | zulu: on sid, xfonts-utils Replaces: xutils |
| 19:38.56 | zulu | mkfontdir absent cannot remove tv-fonts... |
| 19:39.06 | zulu | hum... |
| 19:39.08 | zulu | ok |
| 19:39.10 | sid | willcee: #debian.se för att snacka svenska, skriv /join debian.se |
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| 19:39.23 | stew | zulu: please put the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy xfonts-utils" into a pastebin |
| 19:40.06 | zulu | stew I can't paste bin :) cause I'm a bitchx noob... (sorry about that) |
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| 19:40.24 | kspath | !tell zulu about paste |
| 19:40.25 | stew | zulu: what does pastebin and bitchx have to do with eachother? |
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| 19:40.32 | chron | lmao |
| 19:40.36 | sid | zulu: apt-get install gpm elinks, and use your terminal/mouse to copy/paste into elinks |
| 19:40.47 | zulu | ok |
| 19:40.49 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 19:40.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m |
| 19:40.49 | willcee | sid: sorry im not from sweeden... |
| 19:41.01 | sid | willcee: Are you from Switzerland? |
| 19:41.14 | willcee | sid: yes |
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| 19:41.26 | sid | willcee: What is the native/main language for Switzerland? |
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| 19:41.37 | chron | i'm trying to bootstrap, what cd would i need if i wanted the packages before hand? |
| 19:41.47 | sid | !bootstrap |
| 19:41.48 | dpkg | it has been said that bootstrap is the method of booting an OS, ask about ybin, yaboot, Apple_Bootstrap, quik, lilo, silo, or grub. |
| 19:41.48 | kspath | sid: Which of them is "main/native"? |
| 19:41.51 | zulu | stew my policy for the xfonts-utils is ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 19:41.57 | willcee | sid: swiss-german |
| 19:41.58 | chron | sid you serious? |
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| 19:42.10 | sid | willcee: ahh, ok I didn't know that. |
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| 19:42.23 | sid | willcee: Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:42.30 | sid | lol |
| 19:42.34 | chron | anyone know what the "sarge" debian cd is? |
| 19:42.35 | willcee | sid: but how do you know that im from switzerland? |
| 19:42.41 | chron | as said in the instructions |
| 19:42.48 | runa__ | ive got some problem compiling cpp files it says "'cout' was not declared in this scope" |
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| 19:42.51 | sid | 5:37 -!- willcee [n=willcee@80-218-113-202.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian |
| 19:42.55 | sid | willcee: Your hostmask shows .ch |
| 19:42.57 | stew | chron: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 19:43.12 | willcee | sid: ohh yes ;) |
| 19:43.32 | kspath | willcee: /whois willcee indicates that the host your coming from is probably there. |
| 19:43.55 | stew | sid: why do you want him to go to #debian.de? |
| 19:44.27 | chron | ah thx |
| 19:44.33 | sid | stew: I dunno..I got bored so I wanted to copy/paste from dpkg his language |
| 19:44.41 | stew | sid: the only language you know for sure that he speaks is english though |
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| 19:44.45 | sid | stew: But his english is perfect |
| 19:44.54 | sid | stew: I bet he speaks german and french too |
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| 19:45.04 | stew | ? |
| 19:45.04 | funkja | I am trying to set up Apache on my box and I know that ubuntu comes with it installed. I messed up some of the configuration on it so I deleted the apach2 folder in /etc/. Now when I do 'apt-get install apache2' that folder does not come back... what do I need to od? |
| 19:45.15 | willcee | kspath: yes... im not that giit with irc |
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| 19:45.26 | kspath | willcee: hehehe |
| 19:45.35 | asg | funkja: /msg dpkg confmiss and consult #ubuntu |
| 19:45.36 | willcee | sid: i speak german and very very poor french |
| 19:45.41 | stew | funkja: the apache config is in apache2-common, not apache2, and /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:45.51 | sid | !tell funkja about ubuntu |
| 19:46.13 | runa__ | ive got some problem compiling cpp files it says "'cout' was not declared in this scope" |
| 19:46.15 | azeem | quitte: dude, why are you doing this? |
| 19:46.24 | Shadowcat | runa__: #C++ |
| 19:46.32 | sid | runa__: What are you trying to compile, and what compiler are you using? |
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| 19:46.39 | funkja | I just ask the ubuntu guys and they didn't know :) so i figured you might, i'll try the apache2-common |
| 19:46.40 | runa__ | g++ |
| 19:46.43 | azeem | this way only lies grief. Plus some of the GNU guys don't grasp the difference between "part of Debian" and "on ftp.debian.org" |
| 19:46.54 | asg | funkja: and don't forget /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:46.55 | sid | runa__: /join #gcc,#c++ |
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| 19:47.22 | streuner | !factinfo de |
| 19:47.23 | dpkg | de -- last modified 3d 6h 24m 50s ago by quitte!n=quitte@stgt-d9beb902.pool.mediaWays.net. |
| 19:47.23 | multidex | What tar options do I use to unzip a .zip file? |
| 19:47.33 | asg | multidex: use unzip, not tar |
| 19:47.34 | blondie | none, tar isn't for zip file |
| 19:47.35 | blondie | s |
| 19:47.48 | multidex | great, thanks blondie |
| 19:48.17 | sid | multidex: apt-get install unzip |
| 19:48.22 | streuner | azeem: he is not that often in IRC... |
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| 19:48.40 | multidex | sid: ok |
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| 19:48.50 | po0k | !preempt |
| 19:48.56 | po0k | what's PREEMPT ? |
| 19:49.04 | azeem | quitte: at least, avoid discussing with `ams' AT ALL COSTS, should he be around |
| 19:49.20 | azeem | po0k: did you try wikipedia? |
| 19:49.53 | streuner | azeem: well, i changed the factoid some days ago |
| 19:49.59 | stew | azeem: ems? |
| 19:50.05 | azeem | streuner: which factoid? |
| 19:50.10 | azeem | stew: no :) |
| 19:50.11 | stew | azeem: or is there an ams too? |
| 19:50.12 | streuner | azeem: de |
| 19:50.14 | azeem | ems == plan9 troll |
| 19:50.16 | stew | right |
| 19:50.16 | l3u | greetings, could someone comment on a supermicro board with what appears to be adaptec 1230 onboard raid? The drives detect but not in raid fashion, just individually and I have 2 drives in raid 1 in the bios setup. Thx. |
| 19:50.17 | azeem | ams == gnu troll |
| 19:50.42 | azeem | stew: that ams guy is not tainting himself by entering debian chans, so we're safe here |
| 19:50.49 | streuner | azeem: i deleted the oftc stuff there |
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| 19:51.01 | azeem | !de |
| 19:51.01 | dpkg | it has been said that de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:51.12 | sid | ams is a hurd developer |
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| 19:52.16 | tonix | hi guys, i got a problem with programs using gtk, like dvdrip. Only on debian the fonts are very very little.... |
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| 19:52.32 | Shadowcat | that made absolutely no sense... |
| 19:52.46 | willcee | sid: so here i am |
| 19:52.50 | anarcat | hello |
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| 19:52.55 | sid | willcee: What is your question? |
| 19:52.57 | sid | !greet anarcat |
| 19:52.57 | dpkg | Moo, anarcat |
| 19:53.01 | sid | !tell tonix about ask |
| 19:53.06 | Shadowcat | !sidsmite sid |
| 19:53.14 | Shadowcat | just couldn't resist |
| 19:53.20 | lavland | is there a way how i can cancel a prinitng job i sent in the queue? |
| 19:53.24 | sid | tonix: per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li' |
| 19:53.38 | stew | tonix: /msg dpkg gtk2 font |
| 19:53.53 | stew | sid: why are you telling tonix to go to #debian-it? |
| 19:54.20 | sid | stew: /lastlog tonix /lastlog Shadowcat |
| 19:54.27 | stew | sid: and i don't know why you give him the ask factoid. he asked a clear question in english |
| 19:54.35 | kspath | sid: Who cares what languages they might know or thier revDNS information? They only need to speak/write in English in this channel. |
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| 19:55.58 | sid | tonix: You're having a problem with fonts? |
| 19:56.18 | stew | sid: /lastlog tonix <- what am i supposed to be seeing there? |
| 19:56.35 | anarcat | so what's the word on the potential oftc move? |
| 19:56.40 | sid | stew: His question didn't make any sense...So I figured he would prefer to speak his native language. |
| 19:56.42 | anarcat | heard about this? |
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| 19:56.59 | sid | anarcat: not going to happen is what I hear |
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| 19:57.16 | kspath | sid: You are making HUGE assumptions based on revDNS "information"? |
| 19:57.17 | stew | sid: it made perfect sense |
| 19:57.21 | tonix | sid: yes, i still have problems with dvdrip fonts... they are so little! |
| 19:57.31 | stew | tonix: did you see the "gtk2 font" factoid? |
| 19:57.41 | tonix | but dvdrip don't use gtk2 fonts, tight? |
| 19:57.43 | anarcat | sid, i was really surprised to read this in the dwn |
| 19:57.55 | tonix | stew: i'm working on it |
| 19:58.46 | startxwhite | i am a *newbie* who is running sarge on a P133 and everything works except the pcmcia slots with 2.6.8. it is because a kernel bug http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/powerbugs.html . the bug has been solved in 2.6.15+ but there is no such kernel for sarge. i will have to compile the kernel on a friend's P3 and then transfer the kernel to my P133. I have managed to finish selcting options in menuconfig but as a newbie |
| 19:58.47 | startxwhite | i think i might have made mistakes. can anyone help me fine tune my .config? |
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| 19:59.19 | jengelh | well or pick 2.6.16 from unstable. |
| 19:59.23 | zulu | is there a way to force removing of tv-fonts? |
| 19:59.23 | tonix | stew: no, nothing to do with Verdana 12... the problem with dvdrip is still there. but dvdrip uses gtk1 fonts, right? |
| 19:59.30 | azeem | probably |
| 19:59.48 | zulu | cause my install of xbase-client try to remove this package, unfortunately tv-fonts can't be properly removed |
| 20:00.10 | azeem | zulu: if it can't be properly removed, that's a bg |
| 20:00.12 | azeem | bug |
| 20:00.15 | azeem | zulu: do you run unstable? |
| 20:00.21 | zulu | yes |
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| 20:00.28 | Supaplex | !btssmite zulu |
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| 20:00.35 | azeem | zulu: so what are you doing in these occasions? |
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| 20:01.00 | willcee | sid: its about kernels. ive got a patch which is not for my kernel version... so i had to edit it by hand. but i do not understand the syntax.. whats for example @@ -1000,5 +1158,6 @@?? can anyone help? |
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| 20:01.07 | pizzahead | what's needed to get pci-x support when compiling a new kernel? |
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| 20:01.18 | zulu | ?? azeem what do you mean? |
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| 20:01.22 | pizzahead | I can't seem to detect pci-x bridges or the devices on them |
| 20:01.23 | bastioninc | hello channel :) |
| 20:01.30 | pizzahead | but I can in Knoppix |
| 20:01.30 | sid | willcee: That's above my head...I would /join #kernel |
| 20:01.41 | es0 | Is there anything special I should know before I "aptitude upgrade" my kernel from 2.6.14 to 2.6.16? Or is it an easy/painless process? |
| 20:01.42 | zulu | I have not apt-listbugs install nor gpm nor elinks and can't install anything yet :( |
| 20:01.49 | stew | tonix: if so you can edit .gtkrc instead ; or look at the other gtk factoids: http://dpkg.vireo.org/q/gtk |
| 20:01.51 | sid | es0: easy/painless |
| 20:01.57 | jengelh | @@ is the position descriptor |
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| 20:01.59 | es0 | great. thanks. |
| 20:02.00 | ravenbird | ...but @ is already something else... |
| 20:02.04 | azeem | zulu: 1. you check the offending package for bug reports of that problem |
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| 20:02.11 | pzn_ | Hi! I have one A4 PostScript pages, that I'd like to expand the size and print in 4 pages A4 (then I cut and glue the pages to have a big printing). Do you know a package that does something like this? thanks! |
| 20:02.14 | zulu | I have no xserver, I don't want to reinstall debian from cd :( |
| 20:02.15 | azeem | zulu: 2. you file a bug if none exists already |
| 20:02.24 | azeem | zulu: 3. you fix the problem and carry on |
| 20:02.29 | stew | no there is not a bug in the tv-fonts package |
| 20:02.29 | willcee | sid: oh yes... okay.. im gone... ttyl |
| 20:02.39 | stew | well actually maybe there is |
| 20:02.47 | Supaplex | only undocumented bugs :) |
| 20:02.47 | stew | but he just needs to install xfonts-utils |
| 20:02.50 | zulu | azeem it's more of a dependancy pb it can't find mkfontdir |
| 20:02.52 | streuner | jengelh: @ is the command for ravenbird, just don't use it at the beginning of any message |
| 20:03.10 | zulu | I don't know how xfonts-utils get removed... |
| 20:03.10 | azeem | zulu: it would help if you'd paste the error message |
| 20:03.11 | jengelh | streuner: In a diff file, not in IRC. |
| 20:03.13 | azeem | !paster |
| 20:03.13 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 20:03.16 | stew | zulu: please put the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy xfonts-utils" into a pastebin |
| 20:03.23 | jengelh | @@ -a,b +c,d @@ |
| 20:03.47 | zulu | stew I cant paste cause I have no gpm nor elinks nor apt-get installable possibility :) |
| 20:04.01 | azeem | zulu: then transcribe it |
| 20:04.27 | stew | zulu: you can apt-get install anything now? |
| 20:04.30 | bastioninc | Hellp me : /var/log/syslog ---> smbd[6157]: PANIC: assert failed at smbd/files.c(200) |
| 20:04.57 | zulu | my apt-cache policy is quite basic: I point to ftp.fr.debian.org unstable |
| 20:05.29 | dasunt | Hmmmm, I think I hosed this install of debian for some reason. |
| 20:05.32 | stew | zulu: what does "apt-cache policy xfonts-utils" say for Candidate: and Installed:? |
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| 20:05.52 | dasunt | dpkg: error processing libssl0.9.7 (--purge): subprocess post-removal script killed by signal (Illegal instruction) |
| 20:06.17 | stew | dasunt: checked the bts? |
| 20:06.21 | kspath | dasunt: Stable? Testing? Unstable? Install again? |
| 20:06.36 | zulu | intalled none |
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| 20:06.55 | zulu | candidate 1:1.0.0-3 |
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| 20:07.17 | stew | zulu: what happens when you run "apt-get isntall xfonts-utils"? |
| 20:07.21 | stew | *install |
| 20:07.22 | zulu | and when I run apt-get install xfonts-utils: |
| 20:07.33 | dasunt | kspath: sparc sun4d architecture, stable. |
| 20:07.44 | dasunt | I'm close to reinstalling. |
| 20:07.47 | zulu | I have a few unmet dependancy: |
| 20:08.07 | zulu | xfonts-utils depends on xfonts-encoding but is not going to be installed |
| 20:08.12 | kspath | dasunt: It might be useful to see if you can repeat the error/problem. |
| 20:08.13 | zulu | try apt-get install -f .... |
| 20:08.22 | stew | zulu: apt-get install xfonts-encoding |
| 20:08.39 | dasunt | I think I'll just do a reinstall. |
| 20:09.08 | zulu | :( |
| 20:09.20 | dasunt | It is screwed up, and it is only the base install. |
| 20:09.28 | zulu | when I do that I have other unmet dependancy about kdelibs or I don't know what :( |
| 20:09.33 | kspath | dasunt: You might learn less to reinstall but it depends on what you would learn anyway and how much time/patience you have. |
| 20:09.36 | stew | dasunt: why were you trying to remove libssl0.9.7 in the first place? |
| 20:09.55 | zulu | and when I retry it try to remove tv-fonts... I don't know why, and it can't |
| 20:09.57 | stew | zulu: when you run "apt-get install xfonts-encoding" it complains about kdelibs? |
| 20:10.00 | dasunt | stew: Well, technically, the problem seems to be with passwd. |
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| 20:10.05 | zulu | yes stew |
| 20:10.11 | dasunt | Tried to apt-get wget so I could install from source. |
| 20:10.21 | dasunt | Er, not from source, from the downloaded deb. |
| 20:10.32 | stew | !depends xfonts-encoding |
| 20:10.39 | stew | !depends xfonts-encodings |
| 20:10.46 | dpkg | xfonts-encodings: depends on x11-common |
| 20:10.56 | zulu | ok I try apt-get that |
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| 20:11.12 | stew | zulu: there is no way that x11-common depends on kdelibs |
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| 20:11.57 | zulu | my dependency fail on :kdelibs4c2a, libgksu, libgksuii |
| 20:11.59 | startxwhite | i am thinking about ditching sarge and installing etch to solve my problem. by the way has anyone here installed etch in the last 10 days? |
| 20:12.21 | zulu | I tryed to remove these one but I have many many dependancy on it |
| 20:12.26 | zulu | :( |
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| 20:12.46 | stew | zulu: apt-get install kdelibs4c2a |
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| 20:13.03 | stew | zulu: keep going until you find a root cause (and welcome to unstable) |
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| 20:13.30 | stew | zulu: what arch are you running? |
| 20:13.31 | zulu | depends on kdelibs-bin depends on xbase-client :( |
| 20:13.37 | zulu | x86 |
| 20:14.08 | zulu | can't I force install just to try to save my distro? |
| 20:14.11 | zulu | erfff... |
| 20:14.37 | stew | zulu: have you run apt-get update? |
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| 20:15.08 | zulu | yes many times... |
| 20:15.40 | stew | zulu: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 20:16.03 | hazard_ | is there any way to get a package list from apt-* that dosen't cut the filename lengths if they're too long (like dpkg -l does) |
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| 20:16.21 | stew | hazard_: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" |
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| 20:16.28 | asg | hazard_: dpkg -la |
| 20:16.44 | zulu | stew there is something I don't get, when trying to install xfonts-encoding, it fail because of xbase-client... |
| 20:17.05 | hazard_ | okies, I'll try that... |
| 20:17.05 | stew | zulu: "apt-get install xfonts-encoding xbase-clients x11-common" |
| 20:17.09 | zulu | there is no way to tell apt-get to install xfonts-encodings and not to care about xbase-clients for the moment? |
| 20:17.18 | stew | zulu: you don't want to do that |
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| 20:17.23 | marnie | hi |
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| 20:17.28 | hazard_ | things usually depend for a good reason |
| 20:17.29 | sid | !greet marnie |
| 20:17.29 | dpkg | Wassup, marnie |
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| 20:17.46 | marnie | do you know any tips/tweaks for the system speed-up/optimization??? |
| 20:18.06 | asg | marnie: where are you experiencing issues? |
| 20:18.10 | sid | marnie: When the system boots...or just in general? |
| 20:18.24 | dasunt | marnie: hdparm is usually the one I check out. |
| 20:18.24 | zulu | stew when doing you last command the removing of tv-fonts fail because of the lack of mkfontdir :( |
| 20:18.31 | sid | marnie: What processor/how much ram do you have? marnie Are you running kde or gnome? |
| 20:18.32 | marnie | i would like to improve my system speed |
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| 20:18.42 | dasunt | And even then, I never notice hdparm until I try to burn on a system. :D |
| 20:18.42 | asg | marnie: which part of your system? |
| 20:18.45 | stew | zulu: don't remove tv-fonts until you get x installed |
| 20:18.51 | marnie | mm don't know exactly |
| 20:18.57 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 20:18.57 | beardy | marnie: Don't install X. Get more RAM. Don't run daemons you don't need. (answer asg) |
| 20:19.02 | sid | !greet rindolf |
| 20:19.02 | dpkg | Wassup, rindolf |
| 20:19.03 | zulu | I don't whant to remove it, I don't know why it is doing that... |
| 20:19.05 | marnie | !asg |
| 20:19.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, asg is asg, or sick and fucking tired, or bob2 used to say he was the King of Pun |
| 20:19.10 | stew | zulu: and file a bug on tv-fonts saying it needs to depend on xfonts-utils |
| 20:19.16 | asg | marnie: then use things like 'netstat', 'iostat' to find out if you have an issue. 'top' can also help. |
| 20:19.18 | Tallu | Hmm, I was told to edit the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file in order to make this one program run on startup, but the file doesn't exist, does debian use a different type? |
| 20:19.21 | zulu | I tryed to add tv-fonts at the end of the line but it try to remove it anyway |
| 20:19.25 | stew | zulu: "apt-get install xfonts-encoding xbase-clients x11-common tv-fonts" |
| 20:19.26 | marnie | ok |
| 20:19.29 | rindolf | Will 133 MHz SDRAM memory units work inside a 100 MHz SDRAM bus? |
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| 20:19.40 | zulu | :) same id we got |
| 20:19.45 | stew | zulu: echo "tv-fonts install" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:20.03 | hazard_ | yes, 133mhz SDRAM is backwards compatable |
| 20:20.09 | rindolf | hazard_: thanks. |
| 20:20.14 | hazard_ | (of course, 100mhz modules won't work in faster systems) |
| 20:20.27 | stew | hazard_: they might |
| 20:20.38 | rindolf | hazard_: that's very good news. |
| 20:20.38 | hazard_ | yes, they MIGHT, IF you're lucky. |
| 20:20.39 | parag0n | they'll work, just everything will slow to 100mhz |
| 20:20.39 | zulu | does not echo anything ... |
| 20:20.50 | marnie | well, it was a general queston for tweaks |
| 20:21.01 | hazard_ | but they might not last to long. |
| 20:21.13 | dasunt | Okay, reinstall is going. |
| 20:21.25 | marnie | thanks guys |
| 20:21.41 | dasunt | Which sucks, and I'll admit it is the wussy way out, but I want to play with this as a server, and I don't want a goofy install to be causing problems. |
| 20:21.41 | stew | zulu: right, becuase you piped the echo into dpkg... |
| 20:21.56 | zulu | ok |
| 20:22.08 | zulu | I'm trin to understand what set-selection mean :) |
| 20:22.22 | hazard_ | hrm..."dpkg -la" didn't work |
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| 20:22.32 | hazard_ | (I should note, this is on a CLI-only system, no GUI) |
| 20:22.48 | pzn_ | Hi! I have one A4 PostScript or PDF page, that I'd like to expand the size and print in 4 pages A4 (then I cut and glue the pages to have a big printing). Do you know a package that does something like this? (using debian sid) thanks! |
| 20:22.52 | stew | hazard_: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" |
| 20:22.55 | asg | hazard_: it doesn't work on sarge. |
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| 20:23.38 | hazard_ | ah...that seems to have done something....(useful) |
| 20:23.38 | stew | and if you are on etch/sid -a is the default in a pipeline anyway |
| 20:23.46 | zulu | stew apt-get try to remove tv-fonts anyway, the error for the lack of mkfontdir happen in the post-removal script |
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| 20:24.10 | stew | then you'll have to get xfonts-util installed, or edit the postrm |
| 20:24.18 | yetr | !sex |
| 20:24.19 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:24.19 | stew | zulu: and file a bug |
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| 20:24.28 | asg | !lart yetr |
| 20:24.43 | d4d0 | hi there, can somebody tell me what lperl is, and where/how to get it? |
| 20:25.00 | zulu | stew I modified the script I think I'm seeing the light (perhaps) |
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| 20:25.06 | DarkJesus | Hello! |
| 20:25.07 | zulu | thx for your help stew |
| 20:25.07 | chron | !sarge |
| 20:25.08 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 20:25.13 | stew | zulu: did you file a bug yet? |
| 20:25.15 | asg | d4d0: are you compiling code that embeds a perl interpreter? |
| 20:25.25 | zulu | I will file a bug when I revover my system |
| 20:25.41 | DarkJesus | Does debian really have more than 10 install CDs? |
| 20:25.50 | zulu | I never filed a bug before, I will do it if I recover my system :) |
| 20:25.57 | asg | DarkJesus: yes but you don't need them in most cases. |
| 20:26.02 | zulu | or when I had reinstalled it :) |
| 20:26.03 | DarkJesus | How many are needed? |
| 20:26.12 | sid | DarkJesus: yes...but it's easiest if you just do a net install...and download on the fly as you install..this way you only download what you want. |
| 20:26.13 | asg | DarkJesus: 2 floppies if the conditions are right |
| 20:26.14 | stew | DarkJesus: it has 14, but you only need the first, or a <200mb netinst iso as long as you can get your machine networked with one of the standard install kernels |
| 20:26.15 | hazard_ | no idea, but the businesscard CD installs more crap than I need (I'm working on making a bootable CD for something really specific) |
| 20:26.31 | DarkJesus | Yeah, I'm gonna do a net-install |
| 20:26.35 | sid | DarkJesus: Or if bw is an issue, you can order a couple dvds/ or the 14 cds |
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| 20:27.01 | stew | hazard_: what kind of stuff does the businesscard cd install that you don't need? |
| 20:27.01 | DarkJesus | Can I install a working system with the first of the 14 CDs? |
| 20:27.09 | asg | DarkJesus: yes |
| 20:27.13 | balthasar84 | !mplayer |
| 20:27.14 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 20:27.14 | stew | DarkJesus: as long as you can get your machine networked with the standard kernel |
| 20:27.17 | DarkJesus | I might do that then |
| 20:27.25 | zulu | how do I set up an xorg server from scratch? |
| 20:27.27 | cureless | DarkJesus: even with just half of it. |
| 20:27.30 | DarkJesus | Does it have a GUI and stuff? |
| 20:27.31 | stew | zulu: apt-get install xorg |
| 20:27.34 | balthasar84 | hello everybody |
| 20:27.39 | cureless | DarkJesus: it always depends on what you mean by "working". |
| 20:27.41 | stew | DarkJesus: the installer is ncurses based |
| 20:27.47 | balthasar84 | !marillat |
| 20:27.48 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 20:27.54 | DarkJesus | I mean once you've instlled it |
| 20:27.58 | cureless | DarkJesus: will you have net access? |
| 20:28.00 | stew | balthasar84: you can /msg the bot |
| 20:28.03 | beardy | !botmasg |
| 20:28.08 | DarkJesus | I have an ethernet adaptor |
| 20:28.16 | beardy | well, for the best.. |
| 20:28.25 | hazard_ | stew: stuff, I dunno, I do know that I'm not using 200mb worth of stuff for what the CD needs to do (then again, I'm very nOObish, so what do I know?) |
| 20:28.26 | zulu | stew it seems to reinstall xutils... did you not tell me xfonts-utils was a replacement for xutils? |
| 20:28.31 | DarkJesus | I would do a net-install, but I'm gonna be re-installing in a bit |
| 20:28.38 | cureless | DarkJesus: then don't download CD1, download the netinst CD and install from the net. |
| 20:28.48 | DarkJesus | You sure? |
| 20:28.50 | cureless | DarkJesus: what do you mean? You'll reinstall again the same thing? |
| 20:29.00 | cureless | DarkJesus: how many times? |
| 20:29.02 | DarkJesus | Yeah, I've bought a new hard drive for my laptop |
| 20:29.15 | DarkJesus | So I'm gonna be re-installing it once it arrives |
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| 20:29.32 | DarkJesus | I suppose the net-install will be alright |
| 20:29.40 | DarkJesus | I'll do that |
| 20:29.41 | zulu | stew do I need xserver-xorg package? |
| 20:29.41 | cureless | DarkJesus: I would still go for the net-install. |
| 20:29.53 | DarkJesus | 200MB seems big for a net-install CD |
| 20:30.06 | DarkJesus | The whole of zenwalk is about 200MB |
| 20:30.08 | stew | zulu: yes, but install xorg will get you a xserver-xorg package |
| 20:30.11 | zulu | is there an utility to make an xorg.conf? |
| 20:30.13 | cureless | DarkJesus: it comes with a "base" system. Or "working" system if you will. |
| 20:30.22 | DarkJesus | OK... |
| 20:30.25 | stew | zulu: apt-cache show xfont-utils | grep Replace |
| 20:30.27 | zulu | cause all my fglrx stuff is broken :) |
| 20:30.32 | stew | zulu: errr xfonts-utils |
| 20:30.33 | DarkJesus | Will it come with a window manager? |
| 20:30.37 | cureless | DarkJesus: hence it depends what you mean by working. Debian installs in stages. |
| 20:30.39 | mstevens | Hi. I'm trying to write a control file, but dpkg-buildpackage objects to my extended description, or, if I take it out, lintian objects to my *lack* of an extended description |
| 20:30.41 | hazard_ | the downloadable net install's iso is 108mb |
| 20:30.42 | cureless | DarkJesus: no. |
| 20:30.42 | stew | !debwiki zulu Xorg69To7 |
| 20:30.42 | dpkg | zulu: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 20:30.42 | asg | DarkJesus: yes |
| 20:30.46 | DarkJesus | Huh? |
| 20:30.49 | DarkJesus | Yes/no? |
| 20:30.51 | cureless | asg: in the 200M version? |
| 20:30.56 | asg | cureless: yes, fvwm2 |
| 20:31.11 | asg | cureless: or twm |
| 20:31.15 | DarkJesus | That makes it slightly more useful than if there was none |
| 20:31.19 | DarkJesus | Cool |
| 20:31.20 | cureless | asg: in the netinst cd? |
| 20:31.41 | asg | cureless: I might be wrong but X is worthless without one (unless you know what you are doing) |
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| 20:32.15 | cureless | asg: I didn't think the netinst came with it. |
| 20:32.31 | hazard_ | what would make mounted smb drives randomly disconnect? |
| 20:32.34 | asg | cureless: I'm pretty sure that at least twm comes as part of it. |
| 20:32.46 | stew | netinst doesn't include x |
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| 20:32.54 | hazard_ | (only debian seems to do it, OSX and the windows Boxes are fine) |
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| 20:33.09 | grendal_prime | this is dumb but what is the best place i to put an app i need all users to access |
| 20:33.15 | grendal_prime | i thought /usr/share |
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| 20:33.21 | azeem | grendal_prime: /usr/local/bin |
| 20:33.21 | cureless | DarkJesus: anyway, in your case it doesn't matter, use netinst. The installer will get what it needs from the network. |
| 20:33.22 | asg | grendal_prime: /usr/local/* |
| 20:33.27 | yetr | is 'head' the same as 'tail' ? |
| 20:33.28 | grendal_prime | however im not able to access it from there. |
| 20:33.32 | grendal_prime | aaa ok |
| 20:33.36 | asg | yetr: no, but similar |
| 20:33.49 | cureless | yetr: depends on what coin you're tossing. |
| 20:33.54 | hazard_ | heh |
| 20:34.25 | DarkJesus | Wicked |
| 20:34.32 | DarkJesus | Will it use DHCP? |
| 20:34.39 | hazard_ | the net install does |
| 20:34.49 | cureless | DarkJesus: yes, _specially_ if it's the netinst :-) |
| 20:34.54 | DarkJesus | As in, will it connect to the internet straight away without any need to configure |
| 20:34.55 | DarkJesus | Cool |
| 20:35.18 | hazard_ | assuming you don't have a modem or something silly like that |
| 20:35.22 | cureless | DarkJesus: well, there are some weird network configs out there, but for most cases, pop it in, it'll work. |
| 20:35.36 | hazard_ | (err modem that it needs to dial or whatever it is that modems to) |
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| 20:35.48 | DarkJesus | It works straight away under both zenwalk and slackware |
| 20:35.49 | cureless | modems modulate and demodulate. |
| 20:35.56 | DarkJesus | So it should under debian, right? |
| 20:36.03 | Linda84 | well it was fun here :) |
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| 20:36.04 | Linda84 | bye |
| 20:36.05 | cureless | DarkJesus: yes. |
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| 20:36.08 | DarkJesus | Cool |
| 20:36.11 | DarkJesus | Arch didn't |
| 20:36.15 | DarkJesus | Piece of crap |
| 20:36.22 | hazard_ | ?! |
| 20:36.34 | DarkJesus | !? |
| 20:36.35 | grendal_prime | anything i need to do after i put it in usr/local/ like updatedb or anything like that? |
| 20:36.44 | hazard_ | nope |
| 20:36.53 | dasunt | This sparc takes forever to validate. |
| 20:37.13 | hazard_ | I'm sure it takes less time than the virtual machine I'm playing with.... |
| 20:37.21 | redloff | hi, how do I print sth with cups to a specific printer from command line? |
| 20:38.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:38.20 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:39.43 | DarkJesus | !smarterchild |
| 20:39.43 | dpkg | i heard smarterchild is better than you |
| 20:39.59 | DarkJesus | dpkg: Smarterchild is better than you |
| 20:39.59 | dpkg | DarkJesus: i already had it that way |
| 20:40.09 | DarkJesus | dpkg: He likes radiohead |
| 20:40.22 | dasunt | hazard_: I'm running on 40 mhz. |
| 20:40.23 | DarkJesus | dpkg: And he always answers me |
| 20:40.28 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 20:40.29 | dasunt | hazard_: 'Tis slow. |
| 20:40.29 | dpkg | [pmm] please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel, or you can go to #debian-bots if you want to play with me |
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| 20:40.45 | hazard_ | ah, so that would make this faster...That makes me feel better. |
| 20:41.50 | grendal_prime | ok im not understanding something i need to put this python script somewhere that i can access it in any location on the machine, Basically put it in the path. but im not getting anywhere with it. do i need to export path after i move it to the /usr/local/bin dir |
| 20:42.05 | hazard_ | you shouldn't... |
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| 20:42.11 | hazard_ | is it marked as executable? |
| 20:42.15 | hazard_ | chmod +x ? |
| 20:42.20 | hazard_ | Or do I not understand python? |
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| 20:43.05 | grendal_prime | yes it is maked executable |
| 20:43.15 | fbn | hi, I'm running postfix + amavis + spamassassin with sa_tag_level_deflt set to -999.0 so that every mail should get a spamassassin header - but it does not. any idea why? |
| 20:43.23 | stew | grendal_prime: "echo $PATH", is /usr/local/bin listed in there? |
| 20:43.25 | grendal_prime | it is a python script but...i moved the entire folder into the /usr/local/bin |
| 20:43.38 | hazard_ | if its a folder, then it won't find it |
| 20:43.38 | d4d0 | asg: yes (sorry for the late answer) |
| 20:43.54 | stew | grendal_prime: oh wait, what else is in the folder? python modules that the script depends on? |
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| 20:44.27 | grendal_prime | YEP |
| 20:44.28 | fbn | how can I test if amavis is using spamassassin or not? |
| 20:44.31 | stew | grendal_prime: is there a setup.py in that folder? |
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| 20:44.45 | grendal_prime | '/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin |
| 20:44.46 | hazard_ | you could just link to it inside the folder in /usr/local/bin |
| 20:44.49 | grendal_prime | dont think so |
| 20:45.03 | grendal_prime | no no setup |
| 20:45.03 | hazard_ | me=knows nothing about python |
| 20:45.19 | Supaplex | PATH=`find / -type d` ;) |
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| 20:45.36 | Supaplex | no delimiting :'s but meh hehe |
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| 20:46.00 | stew | grendal_prime: what is this software? did it not come with installation instructions? |
| 20:46.07 | x`y`-xy | Who can help me with somme advices ......why a recive this message when i start proftpd : |
| 20:46.08 | x`y`-xy | Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - Fatal: TLSEngine: directive not allowed in <Anonymous> context on line 107 of '/etc/proftpd.conf' |
| 20:46.16 | Ranpha | hi..is it possible to approach a network drive from a prgram say like openoffice |
| 20:46.16 | grendal_prime | ya un compress and run |
| 20:46.26 | grendal_prime | its vnc2swf |
| 20:46.57 | grendal_prime | Ranpha, ? in about 100 diff ways |
| 20:47.06 | grendal_prime | whats the network drive? |
| 20:47.27 | redloff | what command does cups use to print a page? |
| 20:47.44 | Ranpha | grendal_prime: okay...then i do 100 things wrong i guess....maybe i still think windows way...can you tell me where to start |
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| 20:47.57 | d4d0 | hi there, can somebody tell me what lperl is, and where/how to get it? |
| 20:48.05 | x`y`-xy | Who can help me with somme advices ......why a recive this message when i start proftpd : |
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| 20:48.07 | x`y`-xy | Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - Fatal: TLSEngine: directive not allowed in <Anonymous> context on line 107 of '/etc/proftpd.conf' |
| 20:48.15 | Supaplex | !tell d4d0 -about search |
| 20:48.25 | grendal_prime | well, whats the network drive. Is it ms nework? is it novel netwar? is it a linux box? nfs? |
| 20:48.26 | parag0n | has anyone else had a problem with xfree86 on an LCD monitor causing major screen problems? |
| 20:48.35 | stew | d4d0: heh, you don't know what it is, but you knwo you want it? what makes you say this? |
| 20:48.53 | d4d0 | stew: a configure script from some software i need to build |
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| 20:49.02 | stew | d4d0: apt-get install libperl-dev |
| 20:49.10 | viki_ | Hi all! I would like to connect my iPAQ (Pocket PC) to my PC(Linux). I do not intend to install linux to the ipaq, just use the network via the usb cradle. Is it possible? How? |
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| 20:49.15 | d4d0 | gracias stew |
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| 20:49.29 | Ranpha | it's a nlsu2 working on a ms network. i can approach it with the normal computer browser but can't find it in programs like openoffice |
| 20:50.11 | grendal_prime | Ranpha, ? the kind of network drive your connecting to is pretty important. |
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| 20:50.21 | grendal_prime | ok you need a samba client basicall |
| 20:50.25 | Ranpha | ms network then |
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| 20:50.32 | grendal_prime | you running kde? |
| 20:50.51 | Ranpha | no running gnome and i got samba installed |
| 20:50.58 | grendal_prime | samba client? |
| 20:51.13 | rzerbe | any poorfolk ideas for a signal strength for a wificard? |
| 20:51.18 | hazard_ | or even just the mount commands |
| 20:51.28 | grendal_prime | rzerbe, wavemon |
| 20:51.50 | stew | rzerbe: be more specific |
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| 20:52.06 | kspath | rzerbe: antenna |
| 20:52.09 | grendal_prime | hazard_, he mentioned windows thinking |
| 20:52.14 | pngwn | Ranpha, #nslu2-general might help |
| 20:52.19 | rzerbe | thanks, how bout, my card rx/tx is weak..how can i boost on a dime budget |
| 20:52.25 | Ranpha | samba i already installed...i can approach the disk with ease only i can't seem to find the network drives in other programs like openoffice or firefox |
| 20:52.29 | hazard_ | well, yea... |
| 20:52.36 | kspath | rzerbe: antenna, #hardware ? |
| 20:52.54 | rzerbe | kspath: yes |
| 20:53.03 | grendal_prime | Ranpha, you are going to have to mount them to a local dir.. |
| 20:53.04 | AMB | Ranpha, perhaps try smb4k? it's trivial to use |
| 20:53.15 | grendal_prime | smb4k is very easy to use |
| 20:53.17 | hazard_ | ON a related note....any ideas why drives mounted with 'mount -t smbfs ...' disconnect randomly? |
| 20:53.27 | grendal_prime | but on gnome im not sure |
| 20:53.30 | rzerbe | have a wificard..need to boost signal, but low cash on hand |
| 20:53.48 | grendal_prime | rzerbe, pringles can |
| 20:53.50 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 20:53.55 | hazard_ | break down walls/other metal objects between computer+WAP |
| 20:54.00 | kspath | rzerbe: use search engines to find wifi antenna on a budget. Not a #debian issue. |
| 20:54.10 | rzerbe | i am not laughing..any idea... |
| 20:54.12 | grendal_prime | hazard_, hehehe no shit....crank it to 11! |
| 20:54.29 | AMB | rzerbe, build yourself a 2.4GHz signal amp |
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| 20:54.32 | grendal_prime | rzerbe, pringles can? |
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| 20:54.34 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 20:54.36 | AMB | there are some schematics on the net |
| 20:54.37 | Ranpha | so i can't approach netwrok disk like you can in windows? |
| 20:54.49 | hazard_ | no, you can... |
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| 20:55.16 | grendal_prime | http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html |
| 20:55.19 | zulu | stew my xorg is upgraded how do I feel a bug report? |
| 20:55.23 | zulu | apt-what? |
| 20:55.24 | exobyte | I set up public key authentication with ssh, but when I ssh to a machine with the pub key, I'm prompted for a password (not the key's password, either) |
| 20:55.35 | azeem | zulu: reportbug |
| 20:55.38 | stew | zulu: reportbug, what exactly is the bug you are going to file? |
| 20:55.39 | grendal_prime | Ranpha, see if you can install smb4k |
| 20:55.49 | grendal_prime | its so simple to use its scarry |
| 20:55.50 | azeem | exobyte: then public key auth does not work |
| 20:55.58 | zulu | a dependancy pb on tv-fonts ? |
| 20:56.00 | azeem | exobyte: where did you put the public key in? |
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| 20:56.10 | grendal_prime | you run that app it will find every ms server on your network. even ones you thought were invisible |
| 20:56.14 | rzerbe | thanks/// all |
| 20:56.22 | stew | exobyte: did you use ssh-copy-id to move the key to the server? |
| 20:56.29 | stew | exobyte: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:56.32 | exobyte | stew: no- manuakky |
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| 20:57.00 | stew | exobyte: the .ssh directory should be chmod 700 and the authorized_keys file should be 600 |
| 20:57.01 | exobyte | azeem: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 20:57.07 | Supaplex | ssh -v |
| 20:57.09 | grendal_prime | Ranpha, once you get the hang of mounting network drives, you will be amazed at what you can get to. |
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| 20:57.46 | exobyte | Supaplex: 3.8.1p1 |
| 20:58.03 | stew | exobyte: if you use "ssh-copy-id user@remotehost" it will do this for you and correctly |
| 20:58.08 | Supaplex | exobyte: not -V |
| 20:58.30 | grendal_prime | and by the way rzerbe ive heard of people using these old dss dishes that are laying in everyones yard, they can DIRECT signal up to 10 miles with them. |
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| 20:59.01 | exobyte | stew: so what part of correctly did |
| 20:59.03 | exobyte | I miss |
| 20:59.03 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: really? that's far out. |
| 20:59.28 | stew | exobyte: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:59.46 | grendal_prime | probably do not want to carry one around with you in your breif case. but if you are at home and want to reach your friends house and he lives on the hill over looking the pit you live in. It works. |
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| 20:59.58 | stew | exobyte: that will tell you what you did wrong, but its usually the permissions/ownership of .ssh or authorized_keys that is the problem |
| 21:00.17 | navaburo | Any ideas on why I need to reinstall my nvidia drivers every boot? |
| 21:00.48 | grendal_prime | boy that sounds like fun |
| 21:00.50 | AMB | ok... is there a simple and quick way of playing mpc files in debian 3.1 stable? xmms mpc plugin doesn't install, amarok's too old AFAIK |
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| 21:01.03 | hazard_ | you configured them wrong in the first place navaburo? |
| 21:01.27 | navaburo | hazard_, i dont know. Once upon a time I installed them with the nvidia installer |
| 21:01.31 | hazard_ | I remember having to do something with the xserver config file and driver modules.... |
| 21:01.42 | navaburo | hazard_, then i "upgraded" to xorg 6.8.2 |
| 21:01.54 | hazard_ | But I don't really remember....and that was once upon a time ago too... |
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| 21:02.16 | navaburo | after having glx problems with xorg i went back to xfree, and now i get unresolved symbols on startx |
| 21:02.27 | navaburo | but its fine after NVIDIA....sh |
| 21:02.33 | hazard_ | Check the config file...I think the "safe"/default driver for nvidia is nv |
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| 21:02.46 | lewis | can someone explain to me what 'tail +1' or 'tail +5' does? |
| 21:02.49 | hazard_ | but, the one you're talking about is nvidia...or something |
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| 21:02.59 | viki_ | Hi all! I would like to connect my iPAQ (Pocket PC) to my PC(Linux). I do not intend to install linux to the ipaq, just copy files to the ipaq via the usb cradle. Is it possible? How? |
| 21:03.02 | navaburo | hazard_, yes, and i need the nvidia one for glx |
| 21:03.29 | navaburo | hazard_, I know someone else in the same perdicament... I will read more config file comments... |
| 21:03.44 | hazard_ | I don't think I ever got glx working ..... |
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| 21:03.47 | hazard_ | (or maybe I just left it off) |
| 21:03.56 | exobyte | stew: my home dir can't be 775? |
| 21:04.01 | navaburo | hazard_, I had to turn off composite |
| 21:04.01 | hazard_ | I dunno, now I just don't even load the GUI....since the CLI works better for what I need. |
| 21:04.07 | navaburo | i see |
| 21:04.33 | navaburo | I have not yet transended the computer so i need a gui ;) |
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| 21:05.10 | hazard_ | me neither, but my batch scripts don't need one. |
| 21:05.39 | navaburo | what do you use for a main desktop? |
| 21:05.45 | pizzahead | what would cause pci-x bridges and devices to not be displayedi in lspci, besides the obvious: disabled in bios |
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| 21:06.00 | grendal_prime | god damn it im never going to work again |
| 21:06.02 | parag0n | can anyone suggest me a nice low profile 802.11g wirless card that has good linux support? |
| 21:06.02 | hazard_ | OSX (as in apple) |
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| 21:06.13 | navaburo | pizzahead, bios level conflict |
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| 21:06.20 | hazard_ | I can suggest several with abysmal biso support. |
| 21:06.28 | hazard_ | err... |
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| 21:06.33 | hazard_ | biso=linux (somehow) |
| 21:06.39 | Ranpha | okay..and what des smb4k do?? |
| 21:06.41 | rzerbe | YES.... a mn520 from microtrash ...good card |
| 21:06.44 | pizzahead | navaburo: even if a knoppix cd's boots fine and displays everything properly? |
| 21:06.51 | rzerbe | there cheap too |
| 21:06.56 | grendal_prime | im going to stay at home and eat these kebbler club crachers with sharp chedder...these are sooo damn good |
| 21:07.00 | navaburo | pizzahead, maybe |
| 21:07.00 | pizzahead | I feel like I havn't enabled something in the kernel I compiled |
| 21:07.09 | navaburo | pizzahead, if its a different kernel version |
| 21:07.16 | pizzahead | pci-x is just 64 bit pci |
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| 21:07.38 | hazard_ | on an even more basic level, pci-x is just another extsion to PCI |
| 21:07.39 | grendal_prime | i like the way you use "just" |
| 21:07.40 | navaburo | pizzahead, not sure, i dont use pci-x |
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| 21:07.54 | syiron | hello ppl;.. i cannot ssh to my debian server. the messege said "server unexpectedly close network connection" why??? |
| 21:08.00 | navaburo | i belive it is an injust extention |
| 21:08.12 | hazard_ | ? |
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| 21:08.15 | pizzahead | grendal_prime: I'm being general and I've found no additional kernel modules that are specifically for pci-x |
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| 21:08.17 | lewis | where can I find a guide about creating a foreach statement in bash? |
| 21:08.18 | navaburo | syiron, are you on a LAN |
| 21:08.27 | syiron | yes, |
| 21:08.32 | evilgeek | lewis: for i in yourshit; do stuff; done |
| 21:08.37 | exobyte | stew: anyway, thanks |
| 21:08.48 | syiron | my office. but now i`m on my home. on my LAN too i cannot login. that same error. |
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| 21:08.59 | lewis | can I do: @yourshit = `` |
| 21:09.04 | grendal_prime | pci is pci..im sure the 64 is just the fact that it transmits faster because it literally has 2wice as many pins |
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| 21:09.09 | hazard_ | no |
| 21:09.11 | evilgeek | @? |
| 21:09.17 | lewis | to create an array |
| 21:09.23 | pizzahead | there are some additional etensions but I think that sums it up |
| 21:09.26 | hazard_ | does bash to arrays? |
| 21:09.27 | grendal_prime | of course i could be 100% wrong on that... |
| 21:09.30 | navaburo | syiron, first do ps -A | grep sshd on the server to see if ssh is even running |
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| 21:09.34 | evilgeek | i have no idea. i've only worked with space-delimited lists in bash. |
| 21:09.38 | grendal_prime | its happend several times today already |
| 21:09.43 | lewis | I have a command which echos: var1, var2, var3 (one on each line). I want to run a 2nd command for each of those vars. |
| 21:09.49 | hazard_ | me too, I think that's the only thing it takes |
| 21:09.55 | grendal_prime | also i was barfing all day yesterday and im not in my right mind |
| 21:09.56 | syiron | navaburo; yes. its running. i use nmap also port 22 open. |
| 21:10.01 | evilgeek | you don't seem to need the @. |
| 21:10.15 | hazard_ | so you use | |
| 21:10.18 | evilgeek | so you can make an array by going foo={bar,grill} |
| 21:10.18 | hazard_ | or ; |
| 21:10.25 | rzerbe | grenal:? flu? |
| 21:10.28 | lewis | I need to load the array with a command |
| 21:10.30 | grendal_prime | something |
| 21:10.32 | evilgeek | er, foo=(bar grill) |
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| 21:10.41 | hazard_ | or && or make another line or something (or am I misunderstanding?) |
| 21:10.45 | navaburo | syiron, have you changed from the default config? I had a silly problem once with disabling keyboard authentication |
| 21:10.52 | evilgeek | perhaps foo=(`command`) will work? |
| 21:11.03 | hazard_ | why the ()s? |
| 21:11.07 | hazard_ | isn't it ""s? |
| 21:11.12 | evilgeek | because you want foo to be an array. |
| 21:11.13 | wombachi | lewis foreach var in $(mycmd-generating-space-sep-vars); do echo $var; echo "Nice $var"; done |
| 21:11.23 | evilgeek | okay, listen to him. |
| 21:11.28 | wombachi | lewis something like this |
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| 21:11.34 | hazard_ | yea, he sounds smarter. |
| 21:11.34 | rzerbe | seems to be a 1..2 day viral going around talk about body flushing..heh |
| 21:11.36 | evilgeek | (since he probably knows what he's doing.) |
| 21:11.39 | lewis | wombachi: oooh |
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| 21:11.59 | syiron | navaburo; i have changes some lines. like no permit user root to login. allowuser and deny user |
| 21:12.06 | evilgeek | i usually just do for i in `command`; do stuff; done. |
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| 21:12.24 | hazard_ | woah...that makes what I did earler to day with a for loop much easier |
| 21:12.33 | hazard_ | (and wouldn't need to echo things to a file, then read them again) |
| 21:12.45 | wombachi | evilgeek me too, except that "$(" is easier to type than ` on my keybord |
| 21:12.48 | navaburo | syiron, the connection closes instantly upon connecting? |
| 21:12.52 | troop | hi, i have a linux, but i want to install win for active X into same disk, i have 10gb free space, if now i install win, my grub dies ? |
| 21:13.00 | troop | or it runs dual os ? |
| 21:13.07 | hazard_ | yes it will |
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| 21:13.13 | wombachi | troop yes, windows install will kill grub |
| 21:13.18 | hazard_ | you'd have to install grub afterwards again-but I don't know how to do that. |
| 21:13.30 | troop | hmmm |
| 21:13.39 | syiron | navaburo; it cannot connect to my server. it close the network |
| 21:13.54 | navaburo | syiron, i dont know then, sorry |
| 21:14.03 | lewis | err 'foreach: command not found' |
| 21:14.09 | wombachi | troop on linux, save mbr (dd if=/dev/hda of=/tmp/hda.bin bs=512 count=1) then add it to nt loader |
| 21:14.13 | hazard_ | put a space |
| 21:14.17 | lewis | sorry |
| 21:14.23 | hazard_ | ( I think) |
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| 21:14.35 | navaburo | troop, or if the mbr is allready fried, try grub-install from a rescue cd |
| 21:14.47 | stew | lewis: you want for, not foreach |
| 21:14.52 | navaburo | troop, man grub-install |
| 21:14.53 | troop | you meant, after installation ? |
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| 21:15.08 | navaburo | troop, after win install yes |
| 21:15.09 | hazard_ | wouldn't windows destroy the linux partition anyway? |
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| 21:15.15 | Vollstrecker | Hi |
| 21:15.20 | troop | no no i have free space. |
| 21:15.21 | navaburo | hazard_, oh yes, it may |
| 21:15.21 | hazard_ | (since it dosen't to resizing?) |
| 21:15.29 | Vollstrecker | Anybody using the amule-debs from official repos? |
| 21:15.30 | DaBlade | Hello, would anyone happen to know of any apps that can rip audio streams from mpg files? |
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| 21:15.38 | hazard_ | mplayer |
| 21:15.49 | DaBlade | hazard_: How do I do so? |
| 21:15.51 | hazard_ | mplayer [FILE] -audiodump -dumpfile |
| 21:15.57 | navaburo | troop, do you have another hardisk around? |
| 21:15.58 | DaBlade | ah, okay |
| 21:15.59 | DaBlade | thanks |
| 21:16.01 | hazard_ | mplayer [FILE] -audiodump -dumpfile [FILEOUT] |
| 21:16.04 | lewis | for each var in $(command); do - is that how the first line should read? |
| 21:16.10 | chaedaeX__ | DaBlade: avidemux can for .avi. not sure about .mpg though |
| 21:16.18 | hazard_ | or you could do -oac copy if you want it the same way (but that does strange things though) |
| 21:16.23 | navaburo | troop, i perfer to have linux and windows on separate harddrives. |
| 21:16.36 | wombachi | troop easy way: save your mbr then update c:\boot.ini (http://www.highlandsun.com/hyc/linuxboot.html) |
| 21:16.45 | chaedaeX__ | i prefer to have windows on no harddrive |
| 21:17.02 | syiron | navaburo; here link my error. http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error5mu.png |
| 21:17.05 | DaBlade | hazard_: Unknown option on the command line: -audiodump |
| 21:17.06 | hazard_ | mencoder {file} -ovc frameno -oac copy -o {output} |
| 21:17.11 | wombachi | lewis not "for each", just "for", sorry |
| 21:17.12 | hazard_ | would do it mucn faster |
| 21:17.14 | hazard_ | oooo |
| 21:17.16 | hazard_ | umm... |
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| 21:17.26 | hazard_ | it might be -dumpaudio and -dumpfile (I can neverremember) |
| 21:17.32 | DaBlade | k |
| 21:17.36 | hazard_ | (older versions also don't like the dump commands) |
| 21:17.39 | troop | wombachi, navaburo thanx for all, im going to install now bye y |
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| 21:17.49 | chaedaeX__ | hazard_: mplayer or is it mencoder you are thinking of? |
| 21:17.51 | lewis | wombachi: just found that |
| 21:17.55 | hazard_ | mplayer does the dumping |
| 21:18.01 | lewis | how do I escape " in bash? (i.e. the command contains ") |
| 21:18.11 | quitte | azeem: ams was exactly the person i talked to. it was interesting. nothing i need everyday but a interesting point of view. |
| 21:18.19 | Supaplex | lewis: with a slash. \" |
| 21:18.21 | wombachi | lewis \" |
| 21:18.22 | navaburo | syiron, can you connect to any other services on the server? |
| 21:18.31 | hazard_ | but with mencoder you could do -oac copy -ovc frameno, which would go faster, but would result in an AVI with a dummy video track |
| 21:18.37 | chaedaeX__ | lewis: as above or you might try using ' instead |
| 21:18.43 | DaBlade | hazard_: That worked |
| 21:18.44 | DaBlade | hazard_: Thanks |
| 21:18.55 | hazard_ | the dumpaudio? |
| 21:19.05 | hazard_ | (or audiodump whichever it was I said?) |
| 21:19.06 | DaBlade | hazard_: Yep |
| 21:19.06 | Supaplex | all this dumping and no TP |
| 21:19.12 | lewis | unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' |
| 21:19.15 | DaBlade | Now I just gotta convert it to mp3 from mp2 |
| 21:19.15 | hazard_ | okies. |
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| 21:19.26 | hazard_ | mm...mplayer can do that |
| 21:19.32 | hazard_ | errr...mencoder, if it has mp3lame |
| 21:19.32 | DaBlade | Command? :P |
| 21:19.36 | chaedaeX__ | lewis: if you don't need parameter substitution inside the " then just use ' |
| 21:19.50 | hazard_ | Or wait...hmmmm...lemmecheck something |
| 21:20.05 | hazard_ | I love it when my termial program goes into a coma |
| 21:20.15 | syiron | navaburo; wait. |
| 21:20.16 | DaBlade | Use YaKuake |
| 21:20.30 | tolsen | hazard_ , stop sending it sleep signals ;-) |
| 21:20.31 | Malagmyr | Hey! OLD GUYS! Is there any ancient way to connect a 386 laptop to the Internet? Like, some weird adapter from parallel cable to a normal ethernet plug or something? |
| 21:20.32 | chaedaeX__ | hazard_: ? ctrl-q ? |
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| 21:20.47 | Malagmyr | Is doesn't have PCMCIA. |
| 21:20.48 | syiron | navaburo; i can connect to port 21 |
| 21:20.48 | lewis | I have tried ', ` and ", in the command - all with the same result, should I have $(`command 'is here' continues`) |
| 21:20.48 | quitte | Malagmyr: plip or slip |
| 21:20.58 | sussudio | Malagmyr: nullmodem |
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| 21:21.01 | quitte | Malagmyr: or ppp... |
| 21:21.03 | lewis | oops |
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| 21:21.14 | lewis | nevermind me |
| 21:21.16 | evilgeek | wombachi: fair enough. |
| 21:21.24 | hazard_ | mencoder -oac {audio encoder + its options} -ovc frameno -of rawaudio -o {outfile} |
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| 21:21.36 | chaedaeX__ | Malagmyr: D-Link parallel port network adapter |
| 21:21.43 | hazard_ | (that would actually do it in one step, once you decide on the audio encoder and options) |
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| 21:21.55 | Supaplex | !ignore lewis |
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| 21:22.01 | navaburo | syiron, i know that nmap has confirmed the open port, but i perfer to use hping3 -S -p # to hand test the connection, dont know if that helps |
| 21:22.04 | Malagmyr | Thanks a lot, guys! |
| 21:22.33 | hazard_ | DaBlade? |
| 21:22.38 | DaBlade | Hm? |
| 21:22.41 | lindenl1 | Hi I am getting ads_krb5_mk_req: krb5_get_credentials failed for server$@domain (Incorrect net address) when i use smbclient with -k option after II have kinited a ticket from kdc. Does anyone kow why? |
| 21:22.43 | DaBlade | Sorry |
| 21:22.45 | DaBlade | missed it |
| 21:22.48 | hazard_ | mencoder -oac {audio encoder + its options} -ovc frameno -of rawaudio -o {outfile} |
| 21:22.58 | Vollstrecker | Could someone install amule-common from testing or unstable and tell me if the files get installed like they are supposed? I can't install them here but need that info |
| 21:22.59 | hazard_ | would do it in one step (once you decide on audio encoder+options) |
| 21:23.04 | DaBlade | audio encoder + its options |
| 21:23.07 | DaBlade | What do I enter there? |
| 21:23.10 | hazard_ | (or it *SHOULD* |
| 21:23.12 | hazard_ | umm... |
| 21:23.18 | DaBlade | I wanna convert mpeg2 to mpeg3 |
| 21:23.20 | hazard_ | do mencoder -oac help to get a list |
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| 21:23.25 | DaBlade | k |
| 21:23.39 | DaBlade | Exiting... (error parsing cmdline) |
| 21:23.39 | chaedaeX__ | Vollstrecker: why not create a small sid chroot with debootstrap and install it there? |
| 21:23.44 | wombachi | I replaced the Sarge netinst kernel with a new kernel (2.4.32). How can I make installer find the deb ("no kernel modules found")? Simply add linux-image-2.4.32 in apt cache (pool/l/...)? |
| 21:23.46 | hazard_ | something with "lame" in it should be mp3 |
| 21:23.48 | DaBlade | Hmm...I'm wondering if I can use Transcode or something. |
| 21:23.55 | hazard_ | mencoder -oac help |
| 21:24.16 | DaBlade | mp3lame it is. |
| 21:24.21 | hazard_ | yup, there ya go |
| 21:24.24 | hazard_ | so |
| 21:24.33 | Vollstrecker | I installed my cvs-builds, and just need one info to compare them. Build a chroot for that one task is a bit overkill. |
| 21:24.37 | Supaplex | wombachi: how was the kernel installed? |
| 21:24.57 | hazard_ | mencoder {INPUT FILE} -oac mp3lame -ovc frameno -of rawaudio -o {OUTFILE} |
| 21:25.13 | wombachi | Supaplex I replaced the initrd and vmlinuz on the original Sarge netinst CD. |
| 21:25.36 | wombachi | Supaplex not so easy, btw. I forgot enabling devfs :-/ |
| 21:25.37 | Supaplex | wombachi: we created kernel-package for just this very thing you know :) |
| 21:26.02 | stew | exobyte: sorry, i was afk, did you get it sorted? |
| 21:26.43 | wombachi | Supaplex I know, that's how I created linux-image-2.4.32.deb. But the installer cant find that deb during installation. I guess I should update the apt pool someway? |
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| 21:28.09 | hazard_ | what's the 'best' way to mount smb shares to a folder from the command line? |
| 21:28.23 | Vollstrecker | hazard_: smbmount? |
| 21:28.25 | wombachi | hazard_ I simply use smbmout |
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| 21:28.59 | hazard_ | now, mout -t smbfs, seems to enjoy disconnecting on me...would smbmount be any diffrent? |
| 21:29.11 | thingfish | hazard_: I just use mount: mount -t cifs //computername/sharename -o <username> |
| 21:29.16 | fourat | how to enable day light saving ? |
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| 21:29.24 | thingfish | oops of course I specify a mount dir. ;) |
| 21:29.29 | hazard_ | yes, but I've got SMB shares.... |
| 21:29.41 | hazard_ | not cifs (unless that's similar enough?" |
| 21:29.42 | hazard_ | ) |
| 21:30.01 | thingfish | cifs I think has replaced smbfs |
| 21:30.07 | Oryn | anyone know where galeon stores its plugins? |
| 21:30.09 | hazard_ | really? |
| 21:30.13 | thingfish | yeppers |
| 21:30.14 | hazard_ | even from a w2k server? |
| 21:30.24 | wombachi | thingfish yes, you're right. smbfs is deprecated (not maintained actively) |
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| 21:30.55 | hazard_ | so, cifs is the same thing just supported? |
| 21:31.08 | Oryn | thingfish: cifs is the unix version of samba it supports unix security on files etc |
| 21:31.12 | wombachi | hazard_ better implementation and more features, iirc |
| 21:31.33 | hazard_ | Okies, so I should change that in my scripts (that's probably why the connections kept dropping randomly) |
| 21:31.34 | kuhwalllskee | hehe.. that's funny... better implementation of someone elses stuff.. |
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| 21:31.52 | Oryn | cifs does not work on my NAS hardware |
| 21:32.14 | lewis | thanks a lot for all of your help - you know who you are |
| 21:32.36 | hazard_ | so..WILL it work connecting to windows 2000? |
| 21:32.42 | hazard_ | (just to be clear here) |
| 21:32.59 | thingfish | hazard_: sure should. |
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| 21:33.21 | Gnea | !dbugs 354674 |
| 21:33.25 | dpkg | DONE:#354674:N[libxcursor-dev] Missing /usr/lib/libXcursor.la; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 03:33:02 UTC |
| 21:33.36 | Gnea | done? yeah right. |
| 21:33.42 | thingfish | boy I remember back in the day when win2k came out I thought it was the bomb. |
| 21:33.45 | thingfish | ick |
| 21:33.51 | hazard_ | I still like it better than XP |
| 21:34.03 | Gnea | thingfish: and it bombed? :) |
| 21:34.19 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:34.29 | clojster | hello - can somebody tell me if something changed in Kernel 2.6.16? Now I get UBA1 instead of SDA1 when I plug the usb flashdisk in... |
| 21:35.05 | wombachi | 50% of companies stick to w2k. But M$ fight back: IE 7 only run on winXPsp2 and above. *please* upgrade, they say |
| 21:35.19 | thingfish | no, I'm sure they don't change things in between kernel versions. :/ |
| 21:35.24 | thingfish | sorry |
| 21:36.11 | clojster | so maybe I add some driver... |
| 21:36.24 | wombachi | thingfish you can check yourself: 75% of nt4 code and a few % of nt5 src code escaped from M$ headquaters some times ago :p |
| 21:36.32 | clojster | do you know which driver makes naming to UBA? |
| 21:36.39 | thingfish | clojster: does it work, though? I mean are you able to access the flashdrive? |
| 21:36.44 | clojster | yep |
| 21:36.51 | clojster | but it's slow |
| 21:37.04 | clojster | very slow transfers even on USB2.0 disks |
| 21:37.07 | hazard_ | could it be that its running at USB1 speed? |
| 21:37.14 | thingfish | clojster: I could only suggest looking at BTS for that kernel. |
| 21:37.21 | wombachi | clojster I vaguely remember ub as an alternative for usb-storage. |
| 21:37.57 | Steph | Hello there! Anyone into vserver on etch, by any chance? I stupidly followed the commands given in the README.Debian, and the patch system persists to tell me >No "Context switching virtual private servers" patch found for kernel version 2.6.15<. Anyone has a clue? |
| 21:38.07 | wombachi | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0411.1/0464.html |
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| 21:38.43 | hazard_ | anybody have any ideas why mplayer when I do ./configure claims I don't have mmx support in my kernel? |
| 21:38.50 | clojster | hazard_: vell upload to disk is about 13-90KB/s, which isn't even USB1.1 speed |
| 21:38.54 | thingfish | uh oh, everyone - put your clothes back on! abrotman's back. |
| 21:39.10 | shogunx | hazard_ don't use the generic 386 kernel? |
| 21:39.14 | abrotman | and i *still* need a car |
| 21:39.20 | thingfish | what? |
| 21:39.25 | hazard_ | I tried that, and it didn't change anything. |
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| 21:39.31 | thingfish | abrotman: what happened to the new one? |
| 21:39.34 | abrotman | thingfish: they didn't tell me it was a three month wait |
| 21:39.38 | hazard_ | According to the logs is missing some kind of headers file. |
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| 21:39.41 | thingfish | oh that's b.s. |
| 21:39.47 | abrotman | thingfish: no .. they let me "order" it .. i thought it was at a sister store |
| 21:39.57 | thingfish | oh that is such crap |
| 21:39.58 | shogunx | abrotman i've got a 1980 mercury zephyr wagon i'll give you a good deal on. |
| 21:40.00 | abrotman | yes |
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| 21:40.10 | abrotman | shogunx: flat trade on a 2000 jetta? |
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| 21:40.29 | shogunx | does the jetta have an engine in it? |
| 21:40.35 | thingfish | probably gets like 6 mpg. |
| 21:40.37 | hazard_ | I've got a 97 intrepid that starts....sometimes.... |
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| 21:40.41 | wombachi | clojster UB = low perf usb block driver http://lwn.net/Articles/91740/ |
| 21:40.42 | abrotman | shogunx: well .. it does .. |
| 21:40.56 | abrotman | shogunx: and it moves .. but i'm not sure for how much longer :) |
| 21:41.04 | shogunx | the zephyr got me a solid 22 on the highway... from seattle to florida. |
| 21:41.17 | hazard_ | my car has some issues with the "stopping" aspect of moving |
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| 21:41.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:41.37 | clojster | wombachi: oh... so remove this crap |
| 21:41.42 | thingfish | my little honda is slowly falling to pieces. |
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| 21:41.48 | clojster | wombachi: thanks |
| 21:41.52 | thingfish | It needs a muffler now. |
| 21:41.54 | hazard_ | and it used to have major issues with the whole "striaght line" aspect.... |
| 21:42.00 | abrotman | so now .. i need to find another car |
| 21:42.01 | madclicker | i have two wan connections how can i add a route to one of the wan interfaces preventing it to use "default" gateway? |
| 21:42.05 | wombachi | clojster np |
| 21:42.13 | hazard_ | then it got a new tyrod, and front right strut, now it can go in a straight line.... |
| 21:42.21 | thingfish | well sort of - actually right now it sounds just like those exhaust kits the kids are putting on their cars these days. |
| 21:42.33 | clojster | wombachi: but now - where can I find this option in kernel :) |
| 21:42.41 | hazard_ | and you're getting it because of rust...how cheap of you |
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| 21:43.03 | clojster | wombachi: I don't see it in Device Drivers->USB Support |
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| 21:43.18 | dwclarkNU | how do i add modules to an install cd? |
| 21:43.27 | wombachi | clojster perhaps you must enable "experimental" drivers to see it ? |
| 21:43.38 | hazard_ | hmm..... |
| 21:43.44 | clojster | wombachi: I have |
| 21:43.45 | madclicker | i have two wan connections, i can ping one but not the other |
| 21:44.03 | madclicker | from the net |
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| 21:44.25 | hazard_ | if I include the "include" folder from the i586tcm headers mplayer detect's mmx support on the i386 kernel....if it were to build would it actually HAVE mmx support or just think it does? |
| 21:45.47 | Steph | Ok, for the vserver patch, I think I got it: in the kernel-patch-vserver, it seems that only the 2.6.16 kernel patch is present... Rebuilding from source now, I'll see what happens. Cheers! |
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| 21:46.41 | hazard_ | Later all... |
| 21:46.42 | wombachi | dwclarkNU To replace the kernel on a install CD, this can help you, but that's not really easy http://people.debian.org/%7Eosamu/hackdi/index.html |
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| 21:47.50 | Vollstrecker | I think nobody can help me, or wants to. Bye |
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| 21:48.20 | zulu | I do I know my resolution in X? |
| 21:48.22 | streuner | How can you leave a message for somebody here? |
| 21:48.25 | wombachi | dwclarkNU I just replace one. But now, the installer complain that "no kernel modules were found" (version mismatch?) |
| 21:48.27 | zulu | How do I |
| 21:48.37 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.44 | wombachi | zulu xdpyinfo|grep imens ? |
| 21:49.05 | zulu | thx |
| 21:49.05 | petemc | streuner: just /msg them and hope they read it when they return |
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| 21:49.23 | dwclarkNU | wombachi: the modules for my cdrom drive are not loaded, so i need to add them inroder to continue the install |
| 21:49.29 | streuner | petemc: isnt there a way to leave the message on the server here? |
| 21:49.37 | navaburo | does debian use initrd or initramfs ? |
| 21:49.43 | petemc | streuner: no idea, i just do the above |
| 21:49.43 | thingfish | I swear I'm going to find something at the wiki that I can work on. |
| 21:49.53 | thingfish | I mean, the debian wiki is kind of sparse. |
| 21:49.58 | wombachi | DarkCow if you know the module name and it's present on the CD, just open a console and "modprobe module_name" |
| 21:50.32 | abrotman | streuner: /msg memoserv help |
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| 21:52.15 | Nopalin | how can i put a celll with numbers as string in oo calc? |
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| 21:52.40 | dasunt | Hmmm, doing a netboot on a sparc, the woody netboot image works, but gives me brokenness with some commands (most notably, ps won't work (illegal instruction), and I'll get the same error (illegal instruction) when I try to install passwd (both are probably grabbing from debian-stable/sarge, instead of debian-oldstable) |
| 21:52.58 | dasunt | Tried the debian-sarge netboot, and it hangs after 'mem_init: Calling free_all_bootmem()' |
| 21:52.58 | sussi | i find it rude that the ubuntu installer is really similiar to debian's , but no hint from its origin |
| 21:53.10 | wombachi | how can I make d-i find the kernel deb (linux-image-2.4.32) after replacing the kernel on a Sarge netinst CD? Is there an easy way / doc to read? |
| 21:53.16 | dasunt | Ideas? |
| 21:53.55 | sussi | setup a net reposity? |
| 21:54.34 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 21:54.34 | dpkg | hmm... custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 21:54.42 | wombachi | sussi like simply adding linux-image-2.4.32.deb to pool/l/ on the image iso ? |
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| 21:56.03 | wombachi | abrotman thanks, I'm reading these links since yesterday in fact |
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| 21:56.43 | abrotman | wombachi: read harder! :) |
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| 21:56.50 | wombachi | abrotman I replaced the kernel/initrd, but installer still complain about version mismatch (installer vs "archive") |
| 21:57.05 | abrotman | i'd rather guesss you missed a step |
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| 21:57.27 | js_ | is it possible to find out which process is using all my bandwidth? |
| 21:57.37 | abrotman | process? |
| 21:57.45 | sussi | looks like a understanding problem: netinstaller is only to setup a small system than get all other wanted from the internet |
| 21:57.52 | wombachi | abrotman I choose the easy way (simply updating vmlinuz and initrd on existing iso). |
| 21:57.53 | abrotman | sussi: not quite |
| 21:57.54 | navaburo | Anyone know where the file system is loaded? |
| 21:58.02 | navaburo | like the path to the script> |
| 21:58.08 | wombachi | abrotman seems I'll have to read more and go for the gory details :-/ |
| 21:58.10 | abrotman | wombachi: i would guess you need to rescan the pool |
| 21:58.13 | stew | js_: iptraf will tell you what port, netstat will tell you which process is on that port |
| 21:58.25 | abrotman | wombachi: you could very nicely ask #debian-boot |
| 21:58.28 | js_ | stew: right, thanks |
| 21:58.29 | abrotman | wombachi: but why are you making your own ? |
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| 21:59.44 | rue_mohr | I'm having this error also |
| 21:59.45 | rue_mohr | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg02661.html |
| 21:59.51 | rue_mohr | anyone know what I can do |
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| 22:00.01 | wombachi | abrotman: usual reason: hardware support lacking, and I wanted to learn how to do that. |
| 22:00.15 | abrotman | wombachi: /msg dpkg sarge uni |
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| 22:00.58 | abrotman | rue_mohr: anything on the iptables mailing lists ? |
| 22:01.10 | wombachi | abrotman thanks for your help anyway :) |
| 22:01.14 | rue_mohr | hmm, not that google found |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | wombachi: you don't like myhelp?!?! |
| 22:01.21 | rue_mohr | http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2006-04/msg04436.html |
| 22:01.23 | rue_mohr | same thing |
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| 22:01.30 | abrotman | !find bin/dpkg-scanpackages sarge |
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| 22:01.38 | thingfish | everybody loves abrotman's sweet help. |
| 22:01.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dpkg-scanpackages' (1): (/usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages) in utils/dpkg-dev,admin/dpkg-multicd. |
| 22:01.54 | abrotman | help me what? |
| 22:01.54 | Shadowcat | or if I should just go back to idling :P |
| 22:01.55 | wombachi | abrotman yes, I appreciate. But english is not my mother language. Perhaps my english is too bad |
| 22:02.00 | Shadowcat | you seem swamped |
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| 22:02.11 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i've seen your help "YOU FUCKING MORON .. GO BACK TO WINDOWS!" :) |
| 22:02.12 | thingfish | Shadowcat: in soviet russia, abrotman helps you! |
| 22:02.32 | Shadowcat | bah I'd actually prefer Soviet right now |
| 22:02.33 | Supaplex | abrotman needs the kind of help we can't give him. ;) |
| 22:02.34 | navaburo | does abrotman also help people in America? |
| 22:02.39 | sussi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.41 | navaburo | hehe |
| 22:02.42 | abrotman | wombachi: there's a tool to scan pools iirc |
| 22:02.48 | abrotman | !repository |
| 22:02.48 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 22:02.49 | thingfish | all I can do, help-wise, is offer hors-d'oeuvres. |
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| 22:02.56 | abrotman | wombachi: but i still suspect oyu missed a step |
| 22:02.58 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 22:03.08 | Supaplex | repository sepository |
| 22:03.12 | Shadowcat | now that IS insane :P |
| 22:03.27 | abrotman | dpkg: what kind of car should i get? |
| 22:03.40 | thingfish | dpkg says: A fast one! |
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| 22:03.49 | Supaplex | !say abrotman: one with wheels. |
| 22:03.49 | abrotman | rue_mohr: is that your bug ? |
| 22:03.49 | dpkg | abrotman: one with wheels. |
| 22:03.49 | catulix | hi |
| 22:04.02 | abrotman | rue_mohr: are you Mau ? |
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| 22:04.36 | wombachi | abrotman As I only replaced initrd/vmlinuz and did not touch pool/*, I guess the installer simply cant find kernel-2.4.32 somewhere. Maybe I should follow all steps, including playing with the rep |
| 22:04.41 | iNsAnE | ~~ |
| 22:04.43 | apt | Every moment in which im called upon is torture |
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| 22:04.44 | iNsAnE | not my fault im on aol |
| 22:04.46 | abrotman | wombachi: good plan :) |
| 22:04.47 | iNsAnE | blame the parents |
| 22:04.54 | abrotman | !blame iNsAnE's parents |
| 22:04.54 | thingfish | hehe apt |
| 22:04.59 | abrotman | sounds about right |
| 22:05.02 | Shadowcat | iNsAnE: it's always your fault! |
| 22:05.03 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 22:05.03 | Kinks | Oo |
| 22:05.08 | iNsAnE | ofcourse |
| 22:05.08 | abrotman | Kinks: sorry :) |
| 22:05.11 | iNsAnE | if you believe my stepdad |
| 22:05.17 | Shadowcat | !blame abrotman |
| 22:05.24 | abrotman | !mhb |
| 22:05.24 | Kinks | oh, it's random.. gotcha |
| 22:05.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:05.29 | Supaplex | a cheap bnc would same many an aoler so much grief :) |
| 22:05.34 | wombachi | abrotman I was hoping I could avoid that. Time to read more, again |
| 22:05.44 | navaburo | dpkg: you seem to know everything, can you tell me in what script the filesystem is loaded? |
| 22:05.45 | abrotman | Kinks: yes .. sorry .. 1/791 .. you'd htink you'd get missed :) |
| 22:05.46 | dpkg | navaburo: what are you talking about? |
| 22:05.53 | Kinks | well it's gotta get someone... |
| 22:06.01 | abrotman | wombachi: tried asking #debian-boot ? |
| 22:06.07 | navaburo | !say navaburo: ask abrotman, he will help you |
| 22:06.07 | dpkg | navaburo: ask abrotman, he will help you |
| 22:06.13 | abrotman | wombachi: and yes .. put it in that pool/l/ thingie |
| 22:06.23 | azeem | navaburo: please /msg the bot |
| 22:06.27 | abrotman | navaburo: *the* filesystem ? |
| 22:06.40 | navaburo | abrotman, the root filesystem. |
| 22:06.54 | abrotman | rue_mohr: TBH .. i don't think that's a shorewall bug |
| 22:06.58 | wombachi | abrotman not yet, but I'll try. I'm curious to see if filling pool/l will be enough |
| 22:07.01 | abrotman | navaburo: init mounts it afaik |
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| 22:07.08 | iNsAnE | i had a question |
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| 22:07.12 | iNsAnE | but i cant actually remember what it was |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | why are you using AOL? |
| 22:07.21 | iNsAnE | im not |
| 22:07.24 | iNsAnE | this pc doesnt have it installed |
| 22:07.42 | iNsAnE | and in all fairness, running through a router it is the same as any other isp |
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| 22:07.53 | Supaplex | !aol |
| 22:07.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
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| 22:08.02 | Shadowcat | hahahaha |
| 22:08.03 | Supaplex | :P |
| 22:08.03 | thingfish | yeah, he can't help it if his parents are dolts. |
| 22:08.05 | navaburo | abrotman, ok thanks, i think it is more of an issue with the guy who wrote this howto i am reading |
| 22:08.13 | dasunt | Is there a way to force a netboot image to use woody, instead of sarge for packages? |
| 22:08.20 | iNsAnE | look at it this way, whenever other pc or stepdad's laptop gets a virus his solution is to format |
| 22:08.21 | Supaplex | why woody? |
| 22:08.28 | abrotman | navaburo: huh ? |
| 22:08.45 | abrotman | iNsAnE: wait .. you have AOL DSL ? |
| 22:08.57 | thingfish | oh that's just sick... |
| 22:09.03 | iNsAnE | sadly |
| 22:09.06 | iNsAnE | i dont pay for it |
| 22:09.06 | dasunt | Supaplex: Because (1) sarge doesn't want to play nicely with woody's kernel on sparc and (2) sarge's 2.4 kernel hangs on sparc. |
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| 22:09.23 | Supaplex | fun :) |
| 22:09.29 | iNsAnE | that said, its fairly idiot proof |
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| 22:09.41 | dasunt | So, I'm going to try playing with 2.2 for awhile. |
| 22:09.45 | Supaplex | I'd grab the woddy install cd... and go from there I guess. |
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| 22:09.54 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 22:09.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 22:09.57 | dasunt | I don't have a CD drive. |
| 22:10.03 | Daedalus_ | dasunt: whatabout 2.6? |
| 22:10.10 | dasunt | 2.6 also hangs. |
| 22:10.21 | abrotman | what kind of sparc is this? |
| 22:10.29 | abrotman | and don't say "broken" |
| 22:10.34 | Shadowcat | it's a shame Sun wouldn't release the specifications for their hardware |
| 22:10.42 | Shadowcat | sparc is so much more superior to x86 in so many |
| 22:10.47 | Shadowcat | many was |
| 22:10.48 | Shadowcat | ways* |
| 22:10.50 | dasunt | There might be a small chance that both 2.4 & 2.6 are ignoring all configuration from the sparc's equiv of a bios and trying to access a non-existing video card. |
| 22:10.51 | Shadowcat | bah must be typo day for me |
| 22:10.56 | dasunt | abrotman: sun4d. |
| 22:11.03 | dasunt | abrotman: Sparcserver 1000. |
| 22:11.04 | Daedalus_ | RISC vs CISC |
| 22:11.10 | abrotman | Shadowcat: duh |
| 22:11.18 | abrotman | dasunt: how old is that? |
| 22:11.26 | Shadowcat | Daedalus_: there's no vs since Intel emulates CISC with RISC nowadays, and so does amd |
| 22:11.31 | Shadowcat | RISC won the fight ages ago |
| 22:11.35 | dasunt | abrotman: 1993. |
| 22:11.39 | abrotman | eep |
| 22:11.49 | Shadowcat | !cisc |
| 22:11.49 | abrotman | what kind of panic? |
| 22:11.49 | dpkg | from memory, cisc is (Complex Instruction Set Computer) Intel x86 chips are CISC chips because of the complexity of the instruction set. On the other side of the coin, you have RISC chips that use a reduced instruction set. RISC chips split big operations into lots of simple, tiny instructions that are processed very quickly. Some people argue that RISC chips have the edge. Several Intel competitors such as Cyrix and AMD use RISC chips with CISC ... |
| 22:12.02 | Shadowcat | hmm.... |
| 22:12.04 | Shadowcat | !risc |
| 22:12.04 | dpkg | hmm... risc is (Reduced Instruction Set Computing) RISC chips use a simpler instruction set than CISC chips to get their work done. This results in more instructions that need to be processed by the processor, but they are easier to process, so the chips can process more instructions per clock cycle than a CISC chip. Chip philosophers argue the benefits of RISC vs. CISC, but there is no clear cut winner. See also CISC for additional info. |
| 22:12.14 | abrotman | !screw honda |
| 22:12.17 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 22:12.18 | abrotman | dpkg: die |
| 22:12.18 | dpkg | I'll murder you abrotman! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 22:12.31 | Shadowcat | dpkg kill abrotman |
| 22:12.45 | abrotman | the PP took out the hitachi vibrator |
| 22:12.56 | abrotman | erm ... |
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| 22:13.02 | abrotman | PP == Politeness Police |
| 22:13.09 | dasunt | abrotman: It hangs. |
| 22:13.09 | iNsAnE | well one question ive got is this ~ in firefox, ive got no sound, ive installed flash player, think i did have sound at one point, the site required flash, but ive changed the linux im using |
| 22:13.17 | dasunt | abrotman: Booting Linux... |
| 22:13.18 | dasunt | mem_init: Calling free_all_bootmem(). |
| 22:13.22 | dasunt | abrotman: Then it does. |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | dasunt: oh .. uncompressing the kernel |
| 22:13.25 | dasunt | abrotman: Er, dies. |
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| 22:13.41 | abrotman | dasunt: tried #debiansparc? .. might be a well known issue |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | or even a problem with SILO |
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| 22:13.59 | dasunt | abrotman: Trying now. |
| 22:14.06 | Shadowcat | heh silo, that makes me think of a nuclear launch system |
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| 22:15.13 | abrotman | !silo |
| 22:15.13 | dpkg | i guess silo is the Sparc Improved Linux LOader. It is designed to boot GNU/Linux on Sun Sparc hardware. |
| 22:15.51 | valdyn | iNsAnE: dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser |
| 22:17.19 | Supaplex | dpkg-reconfigure theboss |
| 22:17.24 | Supaplex | woops |
| 22:17.53 | Shadowcat | pkill Supaplex |
| 22:17.55 | Shadowcat | problem solved |
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| 22:18.10 | Supaplex | permission denied. :) |
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| 22:19.27 | shogunx | Shadowcat silo like this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/08/icbm_silo_auction/ |
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| 22:24.29 | andrewy | when I try to run startx I get the error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." Do users have to be in a specific group to run startx or what? |
| 22:24.47 | Supaplex | are you in screen or something? |
| 22:24.53 | andrewy | ssh -X |
| 22:25.07 | stew | andrewy: what version of x? |
| 22:25.15 | Supaplex | ahh, non console users must be added |
| 22:25.21 | andrewy | added where? |
| 22:25.36 | Supaplex | I forget since I did that ages ago. :) |
| 22:25.45 | andrewy | stew: where do i find out? |
| 22:25.47 | andrewy | i'm not used to apt |
| 22:25.50 | stew | andrewy: which version of debian? |
| 22:25.53 | dasunt | So, how to force the netboot to install woody, not sarge? |
| 22:25.57 | andrewy | unstable |
| 22:26.05 | stew | andrewy: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 22:26.07 | andrewy | oh nevermind, i changed to testing |
| 22:26.35 | Shadowcat | andrewy: err you can't startx when you have ssh -X |
| 22:26.44 | stew | Shadowcat: yes you can |
| 22:26.44 | Shadowcat | you don't start the X server remotely |
| 22:26.50 | andrewy | yes i know, but X programs give me even stranger errors |
| 22:27.00 | stew | Shadowcat: sure you can |
| 22:27.02 | andrewy | and i saw that error message, so i figured that there's an acl somewhere |
| 22:27.06 | Shadowcat | andrewy: ssh -X forwards X requests to your local machine |
| 22:27.11 | andrewy | i know |
| 22:27.19 | Shadowcat | stew: ok so I was wrong |
| 22:27.22 | Shadowcat | so sue me |
| 22:27.43 | Shadowcat | andrewy: basically if you want to run X apps over ssh typing startx isn't the answer |
| 22:27.53 | andrewy | yes, i know |
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| 22:28.11 | dasunt | Cute. |
| 22:28.30 | andrewy | but that error message is why i can't run any X apps over the connection |
| 22:28.47 | Shadowcat | then do what stew told you to do |
| 22:28.58 | stew | andrewy: are you trying to start a server on the remote machine or are you trying to start a client on the remote machine that will use a server on the local machine? |
| 22:29.00 | andrewy | oh, i forgot to say that that didn't work |
| 22:29.08 | stew | andrewy: what didnt' work? |
| 22:29.22 | andrewy | dpkg-reconfigure set up two socket directories in /tmp |
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| 22:29.24 | andrewy | but i get the same error |
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| 22:29.53 | navaburo | abrotman, do you know which init script mounts the root filesystem? or am I being pathetic? |
| 22:29.58 | stew | andrewy: it should have given you the choice of "root only" "console users only" or "anybody" did you select anybody? |
| 22:30.03 | andrewy | stew: im just trying to get X apps to work over ssh for now, ultimately this is so i can get nx to work (which is failing now, since I can't start x) |
| 22:30.04 | abrotman | i meant the init process |
| 22:30.08 | andrewy | stew: it didn't give me a choice |
| 22:30.09 | abrotman | not one of the init scripts |
| 22:30.13 | abrotman | but i'm not 1000% sure |
| 22:30.17 | abrotman | or even 100% |
| 22:30.20 | Shadowcat | navaburo: no init script mounts the root file system, the init process does that, and that's controlled by the kernel |
| 22:30.27 | startxwhite | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.34 | Shadowcat | if a kernel can't mount root it'll panic |
| 22:30.43 | Shadowcat | won't even get to the loading scripts stage |
| 22:30.43 | stew | andrewy: what version does "dpkg -l x11-common" report? |
| 22:30.57 | andrewy | stew: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 22:31.05 | Shadowcat | startxwhite: 2.6 is default in etch |
| 22:31.07 | jetscreamer | oh yeah gnome doesn't come back after the screensaver kicks in. all of em i guess... fer sure the blank and some others |
| 22:31.13 | navaburo | Shadowcat, this howto tells me to insert a line "the script mounts your filesystem" http://www.suspend2.net/HOWTO-2.html |
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| 22:31.49 | stew | andrewy: edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config then, i'm not sure what package it was in in 6.9 |
| 22:32.16 | Shadowcat | navaburo: do you know what an initrd is? |
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| 22:32.34 | andrewy | stew: it works, thanks |
| 22:32.45 | navaburo | Shadowcat, not sure |
| 22:32.56 | navaburo | Shadowcat, like a temporary root filesystem? |
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| 22:33.01 | Shadowcat | are you using an initrd in your suspend2 kernel? |
| 22:33.09 | Shadowcat | (oh and you shouldn't) |
| 22:33.20 | grendal_prime | ok i got this werd thing going on with my routers |
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| 22:33.52 | startxwhite | <Shadowcat> i opened a virtual console during the install and 2.4.27-2-386 is loaded |
| 22:34.01 | nse | hello! can i use both a 266mhz and a 333mhz memories at the same time in a P4VMM2 motherboard? |
| 22:34.04 | abrotman | !tell iNsAnE about root |
| 22:34.05 | navaburo | Shadowcat, honestly i have no idea, i guess not. I am using a vanilla kernel, patched with suspend2 |
| 22:34.08 | grendal_prime | for some reason there is a particular server it keeps pointing to an old ip address |
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| 22:34.30 | efaistos | hi |
| 22:34.32 | Shadowcat | navaburo: have you ever compiled a kernel on debian before? |
| 22:34.48 | dasunt | Okay, debian seems to not support the sun4d architectures. |
| 22:34.49 | efaistos | do you know a software to convert .pxl files from excel pocket pc ? |
| 22:34.57 | dasunt | Anyone want to suggest a different distro for sparc? |
| 22:35.02 | navaburo | Shadowcat, no. Only apt-get, and I used to compile them for suse |
| 22:35.22 | Shadowcat | !tell navaburo about kernel-package |
| 22:35.55 | abrotman | dasunt: did you try asking #debiansparc? |
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| 22:36.29 | navaburo | Shadowcat, the problem is, i need to patch against 2.6.16.9, and the most recent kernel i can apt-get is 2.6.8-3 ( i think) |
| 22:36.40 | dasunt | abrotman: 'Tis dead. |
| 22:36.50 | dasunt | abrotman: Found some old list messages about broken sun4d support. |
| 22:36.51 | pipeline | nse: Yes, but you'll have to run all of it at the lower speed (133 MHz) |
| 22:36.55 | abrotman | dasunt: afaik .. only gentoo and netbsd also support sparc |
| 22:37.02 | pipeline | dasunt, abrotman : Nothing but solaris runs on sun4d. |
| 22:37.04 | Shadowcat | navaburo: that's because you're on stable |
| 22:37.05 | abrotman | dasunt: i've installed debian on various sparc |
| 22:37.09 | stew | navaburo: kernel-package can build a vanilla kernel |
| 22:37.15 | pipeline | dasunt, abrotman : Linux 2.2 ran on sun4d for a few months, but it got broken fast :P |
| 22:37.18 | abrotman | dasunt: see .. pipeline says sparc sucks! |
| 22:37.22 | stew | navaburo: just download the 2.6.16.9 source from kernel.org |
| 22:37.27 | navaburo | stew, i did |
| 22:37.28 | abrotman | pipeline: not even netbsd? |
| 22:37.31 | pipeline | abrotman: Nope. |
| 22:37.38 | abrotman | not even windows>? |
| 22:37.39 | pipeline | abrotman: sun4d is significantly different from all the other sun4 archs |
| 22:37.41 | navaburo | stew, ok, i think i get it... |
| 22:37.43 | wombachi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.47 | pipeline | abrotman: Actually, windows WILL run on sun4d :P |
| 22:37.55 | abrotman | yay CoPC card! |
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| 22:38.36 | abrotman | iNsAnE: better |
| 22:38.49 | iNsAnE | i see |
| 22:38.56 | dasunt | abrotman: netbsd has partial support for this processor. |
| 22:39.04 | abrotman | mm .. partial |
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| 22:39.09 | DrPete | is there a way to convert a ntfs file system to ext3, and preserve all the files on it? |
| 22:39.15 | dasunt | gentoo seems to claim 4d support. |
| 22:39.19 | Shadowcat | DrPete: no |
| 22:39.37 | pipeline | dasunt: Install Solaris 8. End of story. Seriously. |
| 22:39.38 | Mnabil | dpkg: gcj |
| 22:39.39 | dpkg | from memory, gcj is the GNU/Cygnus java source and bytecode compiler, part of egcs |
| 22:39.45 | taner_c | gn8 |
| 22:39.49 | pipeline | dasunt: Sun4d is totally, completely different from sun4/sun4c/sun4m |
| 22:39.53 | DrPete | Shadowcat: didnt think so, thanks |
| 22:40.02 | Mnabil | dpkg: remove gcj |
| 22:40.09 | dasunt | pipeline: That's what I'm seeing. |
| 22:40.10 | pipeline | dasunt: and if it's a cray4d, instead of a regular sun4d, then you're *really* fucked |
| 22:40.20 | dasunt | pipeline: Is Solaris 8 free download? |
| 22:40.23 | pipeline | dasunt: because mainline solaris doesn't run on cray4d ootb; you have to have some special boot CD or something crazy like that. |
| 22:40.28 | Mnabil | hello how can i remove the gcj form the system ? |
| 22:40.36 | pipeline | dasunt: yes, solaris 8 binaries are totally free, no strings attached. Source is still not-free. |
| 22:41.09 | abrotman | Mnabil: why would you want to? |
| 22:41.11 | dasunt | pipeline: Hmmmm. |
| 22:41.33 | Mnabil | abrotman: to set my enviroment well |
| 22:41.33 | iNsAnE | tried dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser, said wasnt installed, so i changed it to firefox, did something, but still no sound in firefox |
| 22:41.38 | dasunt | pipeline: This is a Sparccenter 1000, that wouldn't be cray4d, would it? |
| 22:41.38 | Mnabil | abrotman: do u use java ? |
| 22:41.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:41.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:41.52 | abrotman | if you don't want gcj .. remove the package |
| 22:41.53 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 22:41.54 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 22:41.56 | pipeline | dasunt: oh, no, the SC1000 is the least crazy sun4d. It's not even deafeningly loud. |
| 22:42.10 | pipeline | abrotman: his most likely problem is that he installed eclipse and it brought gcj with it. But his english sucks |
| 22:42.29 | dasunt | pipeline: Heh. |
| 22:42.36 | pipeline | dasunt: P.S.: Solaris is a real pain in the ass to get up and running without blastwave packages. |
| 22:42.39 | anabain | it's already safe to dist-upgrade sid? |
| 22:42.43 | Mnabil | pipeline: thnx for the joke |
| 22:42.48 | pipeline | anabain: it's always safe |
| 22:42.54 | abrotman | anabain: it's never safe .. that's why it's called unstable |
| 22:43.14 | anabain | I mean about the xorg mess... |
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| 22:43.23 | pipeline | anabain: like I said, it was never particularly unsafe |
| 22:43.25 | Mnabil | pipeline: if i remove eclipse, the gcj will be removed too ? |
| 22:43.29 | pipeline | anabain: xorg is no more or less broken than before |
| 22:43.38 | shogunx | any issues with the sunfire 4800? |
| 22:43.39 | pipeline | Mnabil: man apt-get |
| 22:43.44 | pipeline | shogunx: Install Solaris, christ. |
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| 22:44.06 | nse | pipeline: you said that the lower speed is 133, and not 266? is there anything to do with a commom frequency that both of the memories understand? a fact is that my system is freezing when both of the memories are working together. is it a better option to use only the 512mb-333mhz one? |
| 22:44.07 | shogunx | pipeline it will probably come with it. does that mean i have to do the port to that one too? |
| 22:44.08 | abrotman | shogunx: you mean besides really expensive replacement parts ? :) |
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| 22:44.27 | shogunx | abrotman :) |
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| 22:44.35 | mith | um, did they push a security update and then pull the update without fixing the file lists or whatever? |
| 22:44.37 | pipeline | nse: what's labelled and the speed at whic hit actually runs are different things |
| 22:44.42 | pipeline | nse: "ddr 333" = 166 MHz. |
| 22:44.42 | fede | my mouse didn´t work properly |
| 22:44.51 | mith | for libtiff ... I'm getting Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libtiff4 3.7.2-3sarge1 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
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| 22:44.58 | stew | mith: aparantly one of the mirrors had a bad sync |
| 22:45.02 | dasunt | pipeline: Blastware? |
| 22:45.03 | shogunx | abrotman i will have to get more than one then. |
| 22:45.08 | abrotman | shogunx: heh |
| 22:45.14 | pipeline | shogunx: Yeah, SunFires are infamous for eating backplanes and various other spares :\ |
| 22:45.17 | abrotman | shogunx: anysystem.com has decent prices |
| 22:45.21 | mith | awesome, now i get to wait for dns to stop caching security.debian.org heh |
| 22:45.23 | pipeline | dasunt: blastwaVe |
| 22:45.24 | Mnabil | pipeline: i already read the manual , i asked you a simple question |
| 22:45.26 | Mnabil | ? |
| 22:45.27 | stew | mith: you could try klecker instead |
| 22:45.32 | pipeline | Mnabil: you asked a /stupid/ question. |
| 22:45.34 | mith | stew: klecker? |
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| 22:45.51 | Kournikoza | help! i'm using openssh... and a user uses scp, is it possible to chroot the user in his own directory? |
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| 22:45.53 | dasunt | pipeline: http://www.blastwave.org/ ? |
| 22:45.57 | nse | pipeline: yes but system is freezing. is there anything i can do? |
| 22:46.04 | pipeline | Kournikoza: install scponly, then read the readme in /usr/share/doc/scponly ... |
| 22:46.05 | mith | Kournikoza: not really |
| 22:46.12 | mith | but ya, that |
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| 22:46.15 | pipeline | mith: Yes, really, it is, it's just a pain in the butt. See the advice I gave him. |
| 22:46.16 | nse | pipeline: now that i am using only one of them system is not freezing |
| 22:46.21 | Mnabil | pipeline: why you said that ? i just a beginer , as you one day was |
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| 22:46.28 | mith | pipeline: that doesn't chroot them |
| 22:46.32 | stew | mith: security points to 2 different machines, klecker.debian.org is the one you are not currently using |
| 22:46.42 | mith | pipeline: or'd they add an option for that since last i looked at scponly? |
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| 22:46.46 | pipeline | Mnabil: I didn't ask frighteningly stupid questions. |
| 22:46.52 | mith | stew: cool, thanks |
| 22:47.04 | pipeline | mith: uhhhhh scponly comes with a script that handles chroots. You clearly didn't read the documentation :P |
| 22:47.04 | Mnabil | pipeline: behave |
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| 22:47.24 | mith | pipeline: i read the documentation, but it was years ago |
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| 22:47.43 | mith | pipeline: but thanks for assuming |
| 22:47.47 | shogunx | abrotman remember those sgi's i pointed you to a while back? |
| 22:47.54 | pipeline | mith: It has always been so. |
| 22:47.57 | pipeline | mith: Since day one. |
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| 22:48.14 | abrotman | shogunx: aye |
| 22:48.18 | pipeline | mith: So I think it was a safe assumption. |
| 22:48.50 | shogunx | abrotman the sunfires were never used in production. 4 of them, each in its own cabinet. |
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| 22:49.10 | abrotman | shogunx: you suck :) |
| 22:49.15 | shogunx | never used at all, actually. |
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| 22:49.46 | mvfeinstein | does anyone here know if it is possible to install vlc using apt on etch? |
| 22:49.55 | abrotman | kind of |
| 22:50.06 | shogunx | abrotman :) |
| 22:50.29 | pipeline | shogunx: Well, between the four of them, you have enough spares to keep one of them running without a support contract :P |
| 22:50.31 | stew | mvfeinstein: it is not; /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
| 22:50.39 | abrotman | pipeline: hehe |
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| 22:51.37 | shogunx | pipeline i tell that to whomever i sell them to. |
| 22:51.40 | dasunt | pipeline: Why Solaris 8 and not 9/10? |
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| 22:52.00 | myren | what is vim 6.4+g7.0g01? |
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| 22:52.03 | pipeline | dasunt: because Solaris 9 drops support. |
| 22:52.07 | myren | i want to try vim7 |
| 22:52.18 | mvfeinstein | Can anyone recomend a video player that will work in etch one that supports wmv, mpg, mpeg, and mov? |
| 22:52.20 | stew | myren: its currently only in experimental. packages for usntable are forthcoming |
| 22:52.20 | dasunt | pipeline: Ah, okay. |
| 22:52.29 | pipeline | dasunt: In fact, I'm not entirely sure Solaris 8 still has the underlying hardware support, or whether you have to install Solaris 7 and upgrade it piecemeal to eight. Better check the HCL before you download. |
| 22:52.36 | pipeline | dasunt: sun4d is very old, very rare hardware. |
| 22:52.58 | myren | stew: funny, i thought i had experimental pinnedhere. |
| 22:53.09 | quitte | wow. now people start hunting for latest versions and nifty features in text editors. i cant believe it |
| 22:53.18 | dasunt | pipeline: So basically, this is a nice doorstop? |
| 22:53.19 | pipeline | dasunt: Nope, looks like you're fine. Solaris 8 drops *sun4c* support, but not sun4d. |
| 22:53.25 | myren | wait, is that what 6.4+g7.0g01 is? |
| 22:53.32 | pipeline | dasunt: No, it's an awful doorstop -- it's huge. It's a great spaceheater and an OK server, though. |
| 22:53.43 | dasunt | Where did you find Sol 8 HCL? |
| 22:53.49 | pipeline | dasunt: I didn't; I just googled. |
| 22:53.51 | myren | quitte: vim support in kate is kinda broken right now, but i do value good multi-document editing |
| 22:54.05 | dasunt | pipeline: Ah, googled for the HCL, found the x86 stuff. Hmmmm. |
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| 22:54.39 | stew | myren: yes the that is a version 7 prerelease |
| 22:54.46 | quitte | myren: funny. that reminded me of kde before you mentioned kate :P |
| 22:55.11 | myren | lol |
| 22:55.16 | dasunt | Okay, Solaris 8 time. |
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| 22:55.25 | pipeline | dasunt: Note that Solaris 8 is still officially supported by Sun, so all ISV software that runs on Solaris runs on Solaris 8 just fine. |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | solaris8 was such a mess |
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| 22:56.07 | dasunt | pipeline: You wouldn't happen to know of a good site detailing how to install Sol8? I haven't really played with Solaris before. |
| 22:56.10 | pipeline | dasunt: At some point in the next year or two, Sun will drop support for Solaris 8, and you'll start seeing some, very little, software not work, but you won't really have any problems for a looooong time (i.e. not until Sun drops Solaris 9 and 32 bit SPARC) |
| 22:56.19 | angryadmin | dasunt: sun.com? |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | dasunt: for the most part .. stick it in ... type it all correctly .. and go! :) |
| 22:56.30 | pipeline | dasunt: Solaris 8 installation is almost exactly like 9 and 10. The documentation is freely available. You'll do fine. |
| 22:56.43 | pipeline | dasunt: Just make sure you choose "DNS" as the default name service, and not NIS :P |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:56.51 | pipeline | abrotman: Every Solaris release is a mess :P |
| 22:56.54 | abrotman | because editing files is hard! |
| 22:56.56 | dasunt | pipeline: Heh. |
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| 22:56.59 | abrotman | pipeline: no .. 8 was really a mess |
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| 22:57.09 | abrotman | it was thier first half-assed attempt at putting GNU tools on the system |
| 22:57.15 | pipeline | abrotman: The newest Solaris 10 release doesn't even boot on some systems. |
| 22:57.21 | abrotman | i'm shocked |
| 22:57.23 | pipeline | abrotman: X11 is broken on even some Sun systems. |
| 22:57.32 | pipeline | abrotman: note: some *SUN* systems. Not just any third party trash :P |
| 22:57.54 | dasunt | Agrajag-: Checking sun.com, finding a lot of Sol10 stuff. |
| 22:58.00 | pipeline | dasunt: docs.sun.com.... |
| 22:58.21 | dasunt | angryadmin: Er, Checking sun.com, finding a lot of Sol10 stuff. |
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| 22:59.48 | angryadmin | dasunt: same basic concept |
| 23:01.17 | pipeline | angryadmin, dasunt: No. The original Sol 8 docs are still available. All documentation for all current releases is always available. |
| 23:01.45 | angryadmin | pipeline: huh? |
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| 23:02.31 | pipeline | abrotman: Ehhh? I still have Solaris 8 out and about, and it doesn't have any GNU stuff... |
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| 23:03.19 | abrotman | pipeline: there is if you install it .. but i owuldn't recommend it :) |
| 23:03.54 | pipeline | abrotman: err, definitely not. I think Solaris 8 is the first to have the "companion CD", but it's all old and not very useful :P |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | pipeline: it's on the CD |
| 23:04.19 | abrotman | pipeline: puts stuff like GNU tar in /usr/local/GNU/opt/stuffweintentionallymadehardtofind/bin/ |
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| 23:04.35 | pipeline | abrotman: nope... I think the only SFW- packages on the solaris 8 base CDs are the SFW base itself and SFWgzip. |
| 23:04.47 | pipeline | abrotman: And it puts them in locations that are in large part pre-ordained by SysV standards :P |
| 23:04.59 | abrotman | pipeline: i installed them .. they suck .. it's there |
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| 23:06.38 | pipeline | abrotman: oh well. It can't possibly be as bad as "SGI Freeware 1.0" |
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| 23:06.57 | fourat | how to know wich deb reposito is providing a given package in my apt-cache |
| 23:07.10 | abrotman | pipeline: try it .. you'd be surprised :) |
| 23:07.17 | abrotman | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 23:07.19 | stew | fourat: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 23:07.23 | minerale | I have somehow ended up with 170 000 files on my home directory (botched eraser that cleans out empty sectors) ... how can I move only files in a directory? |
| 23:07.46 | Inazad | Anyone know KFTPGrabber ??? If yes, can you help me with compiling.. |
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| 23:08.07 | stew | minerale: find /dir -maxdepth 1 -type f -print0 | xargs -0 mv --target-directory /path/to/dest |
| 23:08.09 | abrotman | use wget ? |
| 23:09.00 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. No thanks. I'll stick to blastwave kthx. |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:10.21 | gnomefreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.25 | mentor | gcc -dumpmachine would be sparc64-linux-gnu on a GNU/Linux UltraSparc / 64bit Sparc machine, right? |
| 23:10.49 | seb- | !simple sid backport |
| 23:10.49 | dpkg | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | seb-: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 23:11.08 | abrotman | !tell gnome about simple sid backport |
| 23:11.11 | Skaar | is there any way of installing a PCMCIA network card during the install of debian if the only linux drivers available for it are using Linuxant DriverLoader? |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | !tell gnomefreak about simple sid backport |
| 23:11.15 | gnomefreak | abrotman: i got it |
| 23:11.17 | abrotman | rough day i guess |
| 23:11.19 | gnomefreak | i added a space |
| 23:11.36 | stew | is there anyone else that doens't know about simple sid backport? |
| 23:11.36 | abrotman | stew: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:11.40 | stew | abrotman: thank you so much |
| 23:11.44 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:11.54 | abrotman | oh nice ... |
| 23:11.57 | abrotman | that'll go well |
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| 23:13.00 | kspath | stew: What is a "simple sid backport"? |
| 23:13.13 | pipeline | Skaar: No. |
| 23:13.23 | Skaar | ok |
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| 23:13.42 | Skaar | and is it possible to get the GUI running after only the first CD install |
| 23:13.44 | stew | kspath: how would i know? |
| 23:13.51 | Skaar | i have only 5 minutes left on the second CD download |
| 23:13.57 | abrotman | !d-i Skaar |
| 23:13.58 | dpkg | Skaar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:14.20 | Skaar | right, sorry |
| 23:14.39 | phillywhi | anyone here have experience with lynksys lne100tx ethernet card tulip dec module |
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| 23:17.05 | jcole | anyone here ever preseed a mini.iso install? |
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| 23:17.30 | jcole | !tell me about debian installer |
| 23:18.09 | syiron | netcd ? |
| 23:18.11 | streuner | jcole: check out ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
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| 23:19.15 | abrotman | !phillysmite phillywhi |
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| 23:20.32 | papis | hi ppl,i just wanted to ask if broken packages concerning kde/gnome have been reported in etch |
| 23:20.39 | dli | jcole, I have the business card iso, it works |
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| 23:21.05 | papis | i am using de.debian.org |
| 23:21.07 | kspath | papis: This is #debian in/on IRC. |
| 23:21.11 | abrotman | papis: lots of stuff is broken .. it's called "testing" |
| 23:21.11 | chron | apt-cache search kernel-image doesn't bring up anything |
| 23:21.12 | chron | is that normal? |
| 23:21.22 | streuner | jcole: why not using the *full* netinstall-CD? |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | chron: try linux-image |
| 23:21.44 | pipeline | papis: bugs.debian.org |
| 23:21.48 | pipeline | chron: it's called linux-image now |
| 23:21.48 | papis | ok |
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| 23:22.40 | dli | abrotman, they should make kernel-image as a pseudo package :( |
| 23:22.50 | papis | kspath, what do you mean? |
| 23:22.51 | picosam | hello everyone |
| 23:23.13 | abrotman | dli: i thought it was |
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| 23:23.20 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 23:23.24 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines - transition package), section base, is extra. Version: 1:2.6.15-8 (etch), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 23:23.26 | kspath | !tell papis about testing |
| 23:23.28 | abrotman | see! |
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| 23:23.42 | dli | abrotman, you are right |
| 23:23.54 | jcole | streuner: i've inserted the preseed file into the initrd but "preseed/file=/preseed.seed" is not working like it does on the business card debian installer... according to this, netboot+initrd is supposed to work -> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs01.html |
| 23:24.02 | papis | kspath, i know about testing...but until know..there no major probs |
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| 23:24.12 | abrotman | now |
| 23:24.43 | jcole | streuner: preseed/url=http://whatever/preseed.seed works |
| 23:24.49 | papis | i mean gdm doesn't even exists as package |
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| 23:25.09 | papis | anyway thanks |
| 23:25.19 | jcole | streuner: it depends on networking to start though |
| 23:25.29 | picosam | I have a question please: when I compile a library from source (that ends up producing a .so file) is there a proper way to uninstall that library from the system? |
| 23:26.15 | quitte | picosam: rm /usr/local/lib/* . if you haven't installed in usr/local that was a bad idea |
| 23:26.19 | picosam | when I ran make for libxml2 I ended up having a bunch of files in my /usr/local/include and /usr/local/lib directories |
| 23:26.33 | picosam | is that it, I just remove the files? |
| 23:26.39 | jcole | streuner: i'm tempted to hack url-preseed to be like file preseed |
| 23:26.42 | chron | i tried apt-cache search linux-image as well |
| 23:26.44 | chron | i don' get anything |
| 23:26.45 | azeem | picosam: it depends on the package |
| 23:26.56 | picosam | what about when I executed ranlib, does that do anything global to the system? |
| 23:26.57 | azeem | picosam: packages using automake have an make uninstall rule |
| 23:26.57 | quitte | picosam: usr/local includes no files from debian. you can safely delete it unless you put something there you need |
| 23:26.59 | chron | it just doesn't return anything like i issued ``echo'' |
| 23:26.59 | azeem | others might as well |
| 23:27.00 | streuner | jcole: try #debian-boot too |
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| 23:27.22 | chron | shouldn't it atleast tell me if i do apt-cache search something? |
| 23:27.24 | azeem | picosam: ranlib acts on the files you pass it on the command line I think |
| 23:27.27 | stoned | Hi |
| 23:27.28 | picosam | I didn't use a package to install it; I just downloaded the sources and compiled |
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| 23:28.04 | picosam | yes that's what the man pages say about ranlib, but they also say it updates a "table of contents" to make accessing this library faster; I didn't really understand the mans/infos for ranlib |
| 23:28.17 | quitte | picosam: next time you might want to try apt-get source libxml2 and modify that |
| 23:28.34 | picosam | quitte: yes I know, I'm an idiot |
| 23:28.38 | picosam | :D |
| 23:28.42 | Supaplex | !pal picosam |
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| 23:29.07 | stoned | I've been googling and searching packages for a while for different keywords, but I am unable to find anything related to this. I am looking for a program on genetics/biology, where it allowes you to make certain changes to nucleotides base pairs, basepair splicing using enzymes, and see the changes of the genotype, as animation/picture of phenotype. |
| 23:29.12 | kspath | Supaplex: This is not South Park is it? |
| 23:29.17 | stoned | does anyone know of something of the sort? |
| 23:29.19 | picosam | I just wish there was a way for me to find out what files are being put where after a successful make |
| 23:29.30 | kspath | Supaplex: Or is that the Simpsons? |
| 23:30.12 | azeem | picosam: you cannot |
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| 23:30.27 | azeem | picosam: if you record the build/install log, that usually talks about what it installs where |
| 23:30.37 | Supaplex | kspath: why? I've seen little of either of those. |
| 23:30.47 | kspath | !pal Supaplex |
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| 23:31.14 | stew | chron: if "apt-cache search kernel-image" doesn't return anything, you have messed up your sources.list (or you aren't running debian) |
| 23:31.50 | Supaplex | you're suggested I should have not bothered... |
| 23:32.11 | kspath | Supaplex: suggesting |
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| 23:32.36 | Supaplex | very well. |
| 23:33.10 | picosam | okay one more thing please: how do I know if my debian is r2 or not? I ran aptitude making it update itself and then upgrade all; is that enough to move the system from r1 to r2 ? |
| 23:33.33 | kspath | picosam: dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:33.48 | quitte | even upgrade should be enough in that case |
| 23:33.49 | seb- | how install a local deb package? |
| 23:33.56 | quitte | seb-: dpkg -i |
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| 23:34.00 | seb- | ah |
| 23:34.04 | seb- | quitte: thanks |
| 23:34.07 | kspath | seb-: man dpkg |
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| 23:34.54 | chron | i'm guessing the sources are at /etc/apt/sources.list and needed to search and use apt-get ? |
| 23:35.08 | chron | how can i obtain this file (if it's a neccessity) |
| 23:35.13 | dvs | chron: apt-cache |
| 23:35.25 | picosam | right; thanks everyone; night |
| 23:35.48 | chron | don't i need some kind of package list though? |
| 23:36.37 | kspath | !tell chron about sources |
| 23:36.40 | stew | chron: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:37.08 | stew | chron: /etc/apt/sources.list is certainly a neccessity |
| 23:37.12 | chron | how do you tell? |
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| 23:37.19 | stew | chron: run apt-setup |
| 23:37.19 | chron | i bootstrapped my system |
| 23:37.23 | chron | so i'm wondering what i need |
| 23:37.32 | stew | chron: you mean you ran debootstrap? |
| 23:37.33 | chron | i just need a kernel for now |
| 23:37.35 | chron | yea |
| 23:37.48 | chron | once i get a kernel, i can connect to the internet |
| 23:37.50 | stew | chron: then did you debootstrap "sid" or "sarge" or "testing" or what? |
| 23:37.59 | chron | sarge |
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| 23:38.42 | stew | chron: run debootstrap --second-stage |
| 23:38.55 | chron | i'm already chrooted |
| 23:39.18 | chron | is that binary supposed to be in base? |
| 23:39.30 | stew | actually that wouldn't work in sarge, run base-setup |
| 23:39.42 | chron | nor do i have that binary |
| 23:39.58 | stew | chron: base-setup is part of base |
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| 23:40.17 | chron | i have base-config |
| 23:40.19 | chron | that's about it |
| 23:40.24 | stew | oops, that's what i meant |
| 23:40.34 | chron | Terminated |
| 23:40.59 | stew | chron: huh? you run base-config and it just says "Terminated"? |
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| 23:41.34 | chron | yea |
| 23:41.37 | chron | and it's killed |
| 23:41.49 | stew | chron: strange, what about "apt-setup"? |
| 23:42.00 | chron | ok i'm in |
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| 23:42.06 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:42.09 | chron | archive access method for apt, i'll pick cdrom |
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| 23:42.47 | chron | er maok i see what this is |
| 23:42.53 | chron | s/maok/okay |
| 23:43.09 | chron | so basically i need to set up apt in order to connect to an apt-server to get packages, correct? |
| 23:43.16 | chron | and get the list and what not |
| 23:43.20 | stew | yes |
| 23:43.22 | dvs | chron: yes |
| 23:43.33 | chron | now how can i get files that will work with apt wihtout ever connecting? |
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| 23:43.46 | stew | chron: huh? |
| 23:43.53 | dvs | chron: cd-rom |
| 23:44.07 | chron | like i want a kernel |
| 23:44.09 | chron | for now |
| 23:44.19 | chron | then lets say i want a package that's not in the cdrom |
| 23:44.29 | dvs | and no network connection? |
| 23:44.31 | chron | how can i retrieve it from a third-party and then install it on this computer? |
| 23:44.33 | chron | yea no network |
| 23:44.49 | stew | chron: dpkg -i /path/to/.deb |
| 23:44.50 | chron | any doc for that? |
| 23:44.54 | chron | ah dpkg |
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| 23:45.01 | chron | very nice |
| 23:45.06 | stew | !wikifaq chron PackageManagement |
| 23:45.06 | dpkg | chron: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:45.44 | stew | chron: but kernels are on the cd |
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| 23:45.51 | chron | and where would .deb be normally kept? |
| 23:45.57 | chron | and would all this be supported with apt? |
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| 23:46.11 | stew | chron: debs are normally kept in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:46.23 | stew | chron: would all of what be supported with apt? |
| 23:46.28 | mada | any linux gamers around? |
| 23:46.33 | chron | dpkg made packages |
| 23:46.39 | chron | or dpkg installed packages, rather* |
| 23:46.58 | stew | chron: apt-get is just a frontend that downloads packages then runs dpkg to actually install them |
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| 23:47.04 | chron | ahhh ok |
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| 23:47.28 | syiron | chron; use apt-cache search (what pakage u want to install) |
| 23:47.44 | stoned | !glibc |
| 23:47.44 | dpkg | somebody said glibc was at http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/index.old.html. GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. |
| 23:47.48 | syiron | chron; then use apt-get install (the pakage name) |
| 23:48.03 | pasc | note to everyone: If you get people complaining in the next few days of messages to lists.d.o going missing, can you please get them to /msg me? |
| 23:48.06 | chron | ok i wonder if this base system has a kernel in the cache |
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| 23:48.13 | chron | i tried searching linux-something |
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| 23:48.17 | chron | and kernel-something, forgot what that was |
| 23:48.20 | chron | but it didn't show up |
| 23:48.29 | chron | linux-image, kernel-image |
| 23:48.50 | syiron | chron; apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 kernel-source-2.6.8 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 23:48.59 | stew | syiron: that is clearly not going to work |
| 23:49.02 | syiron | the latest stable on debain sarge |
| 23:49.41 | syiron | all pakages will install under /usr/src |
| 23:49.46 | chron | ok looks like i'll have to manually fetch that |
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| 23:49.53 | chron | remember, i'm doing an offline installation |
| 23:49.55 | chron | heh |
| 23:49.59 | syiron | hehe.. |
| 23:50.00 | syiron | ok wait. |
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| 23:50.47 | chron | i don't have that list yet |
| 23:50.57 | chron | er nevermind, i meant that in antoher chan |
| 23:51.12 | jif | chron: what exactly is the problem that you're having? |
| 23:51.21 | jif | aack |
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| 23:51.57 | chron | i guess the "problem" is i don't have a connection to the internet for this computer |
| 23:52.01 | chron | so i'm going to fetch the kernel |
| 23:52.13 | thingfish | chron: so big deal. Do you have the sarge install CDs? |
| 23:52.20 | chron | then i'm guessing i put the .deb file in the appropriate place in /var |
| 23:52.21 | chron | yea i do |
| 23:52.29 | chron | then dpkg -i |
| 23:52.35 | thingfish | chron: well then you have all the kernels you need. |
| 23:52.37 | stew | chron: any not choose cdrom in apt-setup? |
| 23:52.42 | syiron | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:52.47 | chron | remember, i debootstrap'd |
| 23:52.49 | stew | syiron: no |
| 23:52.58 | chron | that's a definite no |
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| 23:53.52 | chron | and another question is, would you guys know if these debian kernels support patching of grsecurity? |
| 23:54.15 | chron | probably, right? |
| 23:54.55 | stew | chron: debian will provide unconfigured sources, and a patch, you have to configure and compile the kernel though, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 23:55.08 | nse | debian etch installer is not letting me myself partition my disk. there are no fdisk options or something. what to do? |
| 23:55.35 | chron | well i know that much lol |
| 23:55.57 | chron | just that i want to know if i can patch the debian kernel and if grsecurity will work good on it |
| 23:56.11 | chron | i guess i'd have to ask someone who has grsecurity on debian |
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| 23:56.43 | dvs | dvst: imposter! |
| 23:57.02 | dvst | dvs, nah... |
| 23:57.11 | dvs | ;-) |
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