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| 00:03.57 | x`y`-xy | how ca modify the name server ??? |
| 00:04.01 | nse | manual partitioning is not in my etch installer, what the fuck... |
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| 00:04.56 | jordi_ | Remind me what it is I need to ask the channel bot in order to stop apt complaining about not finding gpg keys. |
| 00:05.46 | dvs | jordi_: 2006 key? |
| 00:06.12 | Ronin | yep |
| 00:06.17 | JordiGH | Thx. |
| 00:06.17 | JordiGH | !thx |
| 00:06.18 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 00:06.20 | x`y`-xy | how ca modify the name server ??? |
| 00:07.05 | stew | x`y`-xy: you mean change which nameserver you use for resolving dns? |
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| 00:07.14 | x`y`-xy | yes |
| 00:07.20 | stew | x`y`-xy: man resolv.conf |
| 00:07.30 | x`y`-xy | thx |
| 00:07.35 | x`y`-xy | thankx |
| 00:07.41 | x`y`-xy | soory :d |
| 00:07.54 | JordiGH | dpkg, forget thx |
| 00:07.55 | dpkg | i forgot thx, JordiGH |
| 00:08.00 | JordiGH | Heheheh... >:) |
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| 00:08.59 | rublind | Does anyone know how I can get online using an AOL account? |
| 00:09.02 | JordiGH | dpkg, thx is a conveninent internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "Thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. |
| 00:09.02 | dpkg | ...but thx is already something else... |
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| 00:09.23 | JordiGH | Liar. You said you forgot thx. :( |
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| 00:11.20 | JordiGH | >:) |
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| 00:13.05 | abrotman | !thx |
| 00:13.05 | dpkg | methinks thx is a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. |
| 00:13.38 | abrotman | !THX is also stuff from george lucas |
| 00:13.38 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 00:15.53 | seb- | abrotman: is a dist-upgrade smart enough to upgrade any backports gracefully too? |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | should be |
| 00:16.13 | hobophobe | Is there a way to not have single applications lock the sound, so that multiple apps can use sound at the same time? |
| 00:16.24 | seb- | hobophobe: esound! |
| 00:16.27 | dvs | hobophobe: it's caled ALSA |
| 00:17.16 | seb- | abrotman: i tried to make some sid backports but many needs backports of dependencies that needed backports of ......., you get the point |
| 00:17.18 | rublind | Can someone help me set up my modem and then connect to the internet with aol? |
| 00:17.54 | dvs | abrotman: fight it! fight it! |
| 00:17.57 | abrotman | rublind: in windows? |
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| 00:18.10 | rublind | abrotman: nope, debian. Otherwise I'd be in the wrong channel. =p |
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| 00:18.56 | abrotman | rublind: you know .. AOL doesn't work in linux .. right ? |
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| 00:19.16 | rublind | Yeah, but you could still get online using the connection, right? There's just no software for it... |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:19.36 | shogunx | rublind penggy |
| 00:19.41 | abrotman | rublind: i don't think AOL uses ppp |
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| 00:19.44 | rublind | What is penggy? |
| 00:19.46 | abrotman | shogunx: i don't think that works anymore |
| 00:19.48 | rublind | Argh. |
| 00:19.51 | Knorrie | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/t/tiff/libtiff4_3.7.2-3sarge1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
| 00:19.54 | Knorrie | :\ |
| 00:20.05 | shogunx | abrotman i have no idea if it ever worked, but its better than nothing. |
| 00:20.11 | rublind | So... I am screwed? :D |
| 00:20.19 | hobophobe | just switch from AOL |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | rublind: no .. sign up for earthlink :) |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | Knorrie: apt-get update ? |
| 00:20.41 | rublind | abortman: it's not for me. I'm going to lend my linux laptop to a friend of mine, and they use aol for internet. |
| 00:20.42 | Knorrie | abrotman: been there done that |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | Knorrie: might have been a bad sync |
| 00:21.22 | stew | Knorrie: there was a bad mirror sync, you can try to use klecker.debian.org or wait until tomorrow |
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| 00:21.46 | Knorrie | stew, abrotman: ok thanks, i'll try later |
| 00:21.52 | itrebal | how can i automagicly get all packages required by a program i'm trying to compile? |
| 00:22.10 | itrebal | or better yet, what ssl packages do i need? i've always had issues with ths |
| 00:22.17 | Knorrie | itrebal: apt-get build-dep? |
| 00:22.20 | stew | itrebal: what are you trying to compile? has it been packaged before? |
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| 00:22.32 | itrebal | yea its been packaged, but its a pretty old version |
| 00:22.45 | itrebal | (bitlbee) |
| 00:22.57 | stew | itrebal: install it from backports ; /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:23.04 | stew | itrebal: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 00:23.11 | itrebal | i'm writing a patch for it |
| 00:23.17 | itrebal | so i have to go from source |
| 00:23.22 | stew | itrebal: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 00:23.42 | wombachi | if I have pack(.dsc,.tar.gz) files from a deb src, how can I build the package ? |
| 00:23.47 | stew | itrebal: that will tell you how to get the latest debian sources from unstable and all of the build dependencies |
| 00:23.58 | itrebal | it'd be much easier if i could just install the SSL libraries :/ |
| 00:24.23 | dvs | !info libssl-dev sarge |
| 00:24.28 | stew | wombachi: apt-get install fakeroot build-essential ; apt-get build-dep blah ;dpkg-source -x blah.dsc; cd blah ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 00:24.29 | dpkg | libssl-dev: (SSL development libraries, header files and documentation), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.9.7e-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2492 kB, Installed size: 6972 kB |
| 00:24.29 | Knorrie | itrebal: look in the debian/control file in the source package from bpo (http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/b/bitlbee/) the build-deps are listed there |
| 00:24.42 | itrebal | thanks |
| 00:24.46 | wombachi | stew thanks :) |
| 00:25.15 | Knorrie | wombachi: or if you want to do these things more often... look at pbuilder |
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| 00:28.21 | PopKilla | hi! |
| 00:28.41 | nse | there's is something really weird with my etch installtion cd that i burned from ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/debian-32-i386-binary-1.iso - there is no manual partitioning option in the steps list of the installation process. it seems that other people are having the same problem what sounds really strange since manual partitioning is a basic operation. is there anything i can do to do a manual partitioning? is e |
| 00:28.44 | PopKilla | lol |
| 00:28.50 | JordiGH | Argh. gpg times out when trying to fetch a key. I'm behind a very restrictive network. Any idea what port I should try to be weaseling through? |
| 00:29.00 | PopKilla | dont hide the coca-cola lol |
| 00:29.23 | stew | JordiGH: getent services hkp |
| 00:29.31 | cmatheson | i have an unusual problem.. i had mis-configured a mail-server so that it delivered mail for one user to the wrong maildir. i fixed the server and manually copied the files in the maildir's cur/ directory to correct maildir's new/ directory. if i look at the maildir w/ mutt, i can see all the messages, but thunderbird still only shows the old messages... what am i doing wrong? |
| 00:29.38 | stew | nse: ask #debian-boot |
| 00:29.40 | JordiGH | stew, whiskey tango foxtrot, over. |
| 00:29.48 | nse | stew: okay |
| 00:30.19 | stew | JordiGH: your firewall needs to allow the hkp protocol on the standard hkp port |
| 00:30.28 | HeikoZ | Give anti-social trolls like Peter Palfrader (aka weasel) no chance. Vote for Humanity! Give people like weasel some job far away from humans. No Community needs abusive psychopaths like Peter Palfrader! |
| 00:30.56 | JordiGH | stew: Right. Any idea what number it is? I don't control my own firewall. It'll take some ssh tunneling to do it. |
| 00:30.58 | lunaphyte | why might a server "magically" decide to do a shut down at 12.30 am? |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | HeikoZ: are you done? |
| 00:31.14 | stew | JordiGH: type this "getent services hkp" |
| 00:31.25 | HeikoZ | Give anti-social trolls like Peter Palfrader (aka weasel) no chance. Vote for Humanity! Give people like weasel some job far away from humans. No Community needs abusive psychopaths like Peter Palfrader! |
| 00:31.38 | PopKilla | i have a debian installed on a server, it is doing thing right now. anyways, i have users connecting thier **home** laptops, especialy this new guy. is there a program to monitor bandwidth? or figure out where they are going that generates soo much bandwidth? I dont like when people bring thier home laptops and start surfing away. (We dont have a layer2 managed swiched installed yet)... but i still would like a monitor traffic |
| 00:31.38 | JordiGH | Ah, it was a command. Sorry. :P |
| 00:31.40 | HeikoZ | especially for you abrotman. |
| 00:31.42 | stew | HeikoZ: stop |
| 00:31.50 | PopKilla | anybody know a good program to install and easy to use on debian? |
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| 00:32.03 | PopKilla | (server is not doing anything but ideling) |
| 00:32.15 | JordiGH | PopKilla: OpenKiosk |
| 00:32.30 | JordiGH | Eep, not a Debian package. Never mind. |
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| 00:33.08 | JordiGH | And doesn't do what you want either. Sorry. |
| 00:33.15 | PopKilla | the nuewbie had the balls to ask if he could get on the teh corporate wireless network with his laptop to 'listen' to music and do light surfing. |
| 00:33.40 | PopKilla | i said no, but he still hard connected his laptop |
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| 00:33.56 | PopKilla | as i see his name show up on DHCP "kevin-(serialname of computer)" |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: might not be DFSG-free |
| 00:34.25 | bbrazil | PopKilla: etherape is good for realtime monitoring |
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| 00:35.02 | JordiGH | abrotmant: That's not the issue. It's gpled. It's also relatively new. Maybe just hasn't found a Debian mommy or daddy yet. |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: you could do it ? |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: or file an RFP |
| 00:36.04 | PopKilla | ehh bbrazil i've tried that before, but can it log what sites are being accessed and by who? |
| 00:36.19 | bbrazil | PopKilla: for websites, you could put in a squid pproxy |
| 00:36.25 | PopKilla | it was pretty neat however showing real-time traffic. |
| 00:36.54 | abrotman | PopKilla: jnettop is interesting |
| 00:37.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: That I can do... I do aspire to be a package maintainer of something some day, though. :) |
| 00:37.22 | PopKilla | is squid proxy a name of a program? (sorry for a dumb question).... jnettop let me check it out |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | !info jnetttop sarge |
| 00:37.37 | bbrazil | PopKilla: yes |
| 00:37.41 | PopKilla | ah ok |
| 00:37.50 | stew | PopKilla: apt-cache show squid |
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| 00:37.51 | abrotman | !info jnettop sarge |
| 00:37.54 | dpkg | jnettop: (View hosts/ports taking up the most network traffic), section net, is extra. Version: 0.10.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 00:38.52 | HeikoZ | dpkg, learn: Peter Palfrader aka weasel is an anti social moron |
| 00:38.52 | dpkg | HeikoZ: that's too long |
| 00:39.03 | abrotman | !ops HeikoZ is trolling |
| 00:39.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: HeikoZ is trolling |
| 00:39.05 | HeikoZ | dpkg, then shorten it and repeat it as often as possible. be a good bot. |
| 00:39.05 | dpkg | :), HeikoZ |
| 00:39.26 | HeikoZ | abrotman is a poor little anal monkey, begging for modes. |
| 00:39.34 | abrotman | troll |
| 00:39.36 | HeikoZ | abrotman, eat some sausage. |
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| 00:39.45 | HeikoZ | Give anti-social trolls like Peter Palfrader (aka weasel) no chance. Vote for Humanity! Give people like weasel some job far away from humans. No Community needs abusive psychopaths like Peter Palfrader! |
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| 00:40.10 | PopKilla | cool i'll check out those two programs |
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| 00:43.37 | thingfish | oh the lord jesus hates att. |
| 00:43.46 | |ryan| | anyone know a cli sqlite client? |
| 00:44.15 | Agrajag- | |ryan|: err.. sqlite ? |
| 00:44.17 | mikeX | |ryan|: there's one with the sqlite package, 'sqlite' |
| 00:44.18 | thingfish | oh piss off you tart |
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| 00:44.28 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 00:44.32 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:45.08 | RichiH | mentor: bleh |
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| 00:45.18 | mentor | gvnnnerg |
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| 00:45.20 | abrotman | RichiH: you wanted to kick him? |
| 00:45.26 | stew | RichiH: he's doing the same in -mentors and -bugs |
| 00:45.27 | RichiH | quiet |
| 00:45.27 | thingfish | it |
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| 00:45.57 | jhenn | does current stable release have auto-detecting of hardware like some current distros? |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:46.17 | mentor | RichiH: He's just bouncde into #madwifi too. Kill him. please :) |
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| 00:46.31 | thingfish | jhenn: sort of, but not if you've got say the newest of the new, in terms of hardware. |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | mentor: is weasel in there too ? |
| 00:46.42 | jhenn | thingfish: k thx |
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| 00:46.52 | mentor | abrotman: no, he's after me |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | mentor: oh .. |
| 00:47.07 | thingfish | jhenn: there's a sarge 2.6.15 if the regular sarge install doesn't suit your need. |
| 00:47.11 | thingfish | *needs |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | mentor: are you an anti-social troll too ? |
| 00:47.25 | jetscreamer | is there really a Peter Palfrader? |
| 00:47.27 | mentor | porbably |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yes .. it's weasel . the tor maintainer |
| 00:47.39 | mentor | I should imagine weasel probably is PP. |
| 00:47.40 | Alex__ | Hey guys, I'm having a problem installing debian. Could anyone help me? |
| 00:47.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:47.50 | mentor | Alex__: Sure. |
| 00:47.50 | thingfish | I love people, abrotman. Grilled, broiled, or breaded and deep-fried. |
| 00:47.53 | abrotman | dunno what else he maintains |
| 00:48.22 | Alex__ | I'm installing debian testing, and when i get to autopart - it fails |
| 00:48.36 | thingfish | Alex__: install sarge. |
| 00:48.41 | stoned | abrotman, I discovered something today that I did not kow |
| 00:48.45 | stoned | know* |
| 00:49.02 | thingfish | what, that gloria gaynor is your secret alter ego? |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | stoned: how to use a keyboard? |
| 00:49.26 | jetscreamer | Alex__: what i do when that screen comes up, i hit esc and it takes me to what i consider a sane partitioner... aka manual. |
| 00:49.30 | Alex__ | i still want to try ech |
| 00:49.33 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 00:49.43 | Alex__ | so I got to debug screen |
| 00:49.53 | stoned | abrotman, matter can be annihilated into oblivion, well, I am not sure about that one because two gamma photons are produced, but its cool anyway, matter/antimatter, hydrogen and antihydrogen experiments |
| 00:49.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:50.03 | thingfish | Alex__: we all do. it's a mess right now. make some supper and come back tomorrow. |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | stoned: lay off the crack :) |
| 00:50.06 | Alex__ | it fails at lvm_ini_dev command on part5 |
| 00:50.47 | jetscreamer | wouldn't this be a job for #debian-boot ? |
| 00:50.54 | shogunx | abrotman: no crack, just antimatter: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2006/antimatter_spaceship.html |
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| 00:51.01 | abrotman | shogunx: i was joking |
| 00:51.02 | stoned | abrotman, been searching for some good physics and genetics simulators in debian, no luck yet |
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| 00:51.19 | abrotman | stoned: maybe check with debian-edu ... or SEUL/EDU |
| 00:51.39 | Alex__ | ok then, i'm just curious, what version of kernel, kde and gnome does sarge have? |
| 00:51.44 | shogunx | stoned you want to do BLAST type of sequencing? |
| 00:51.47 | Alex__ | I' |
| 00:51.47 | jetscreamer | stoned you have contrib nonfree right |
| 00:51.55 | mikeX | Alex__: try packages.debian.org |
| 00:51.58 | thingfish | Alex__: kernel: 2.6.8-3 |
| 00:52.06 | stoned | yes |
| 00:52.09 | stoned | jethro, yea |
| 00:52.12 | stoned | jetscreamer, yes |
| 00:52.12 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 00:52.13 | stoned | goddamnti |
| 00:52.16 | jetscreamer | tabbuddy! |
| 00:52.25 | stoned | yeh, it finished the worng one first |
| 00:52.26 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:52.36 | thingfish | Alex__: KDE? who knows and who cares. GNOME? 2.8. |
| 00:52.36 | jetscreamer | happens to jed's nephew a lot |
| 00:53.00 | Alex__ | I'm a former windows user - can't live without kde |
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| 00:53.12 | jetscreamer | 3.5.something i 'think' |
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| 00:53.18 | jetscreamer | !info kde |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | i'm a former windows user .. and kde is trying to be windows .. i can do without both :) |
| 00:53.23 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:45 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 00:53.46 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info kde sarge |
| 00:53.53 | stoned | shogunx, I want to experiment with/study the nature of gamma rays produced from blackholes. For that I need a software capable of producing a generic blackhole, with a given angular momentem, given horizon diameter, the amount of matter being fed, and then study the possible outcomes of gamma rays |
| 00:54.09 | thingfish | Alex__: you dont' run sarge because you care about current (read: bug-ridden) software. You run it because it is simply the most perfect instance of GNU/Linux in existance. |
| 00:54.16 | Alex__ | Ok the last question, is it possible to manually partition hard drive and then just skip autopartitioner |
| 00:54.23 | julien | Hi, I cannot get USB works on Sarge 2.6.8 |
| 00:54.27 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 00:54.27 | stoned | shogunx, doing it on paper is tedious |
| 00:54.36 | Alex__ | i know how to use fdisk and mkfs |
| 00:54.46 | stew | julien: what device are you trying to get working? what have you tried? |
| 00:54.50 | jetscreamer | Alex__: yeah or you can just hit esc and use the installer's manual version |
| 00:54.52 | thingfish | Alex__: the sarge installer has a handy-dandy partition adjuster. |
| 00:54.55 | julien | APN |
| 00:55.04 | stoned | #debian-edu is dead |
| 00:55.22 | thingfish | Alex__: debian-installer is way easier than you think. |
| 00:55.28 | Alex__ | and i guess etch doesn't |
| 00:55.44 | thingfish | I mean for sure, my mom could make it through debian-installer. |
| 00:55.56 | stew | nse: did you figure anything out that can help Alex__ who apperars to be seeing the same as you? |
| 00:56.02 | stoned | shogunx, I need it to at least have 2d/3d graphics because I will be using it for a presentation in a 9th grade science class |
| 00:56.10 | Alex__ | I agree it is easier, it just doesnt work on my computer |
| 00:56.12 | julien | numeric camera |
| 00:56.20 | agney | is ftp.debian.org with problem ? |
| 00:56.33 | thingfish | Alex__: do you have newish hardware? |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | agney: security updates? |
| 00:56.51 | thingfish | Alex__: because there's a sarge installer with 2.6.15 available. |
| 00:56.52 | stew | agney: there was a bad mirror sync |
| 00:56.58 | Alex__ | no just good 'ol Del Optiplex P3 866; 256 megs of ram |
| 00:57.01 | agney | abrotman, ftp.debian.org (128.101.240.212) |
| 00:57.11 | agney | stew, since yesterday ? |
| 00:57.15 | stew | agney: yes |
| 00:57.21 | thingfish | well Alex__ sarge should go fine onto that system. |
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| 00:57.25 | agney | stew, thanks :) |
| 00:57.26 | Alex__ | I jsut dont want to download another dvd yet over again |
| 00:57.31 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:57.32 | stew | abrotman: are you watching the game? |
| 00:57.40 | shogunx | stoned get these guys: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/universe/gwave.html to give you a copy of what they used, and add in the gamma radiation equations. |
| 00:57.46 | agney | abrotman, thanks too for your atention |
| 00:57.47 | Alex__ | So there absolutely no way I can make etch work ? |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | stew: I CAN'T!@!!!!!@!@!@~!@~!@~ |
| 00:58.00 | thingfish | my understanding of things going on around me is deficient, once again. |
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| 00:58.07 | abrotman | stew: it's only on YES and NESN |
| 00:58.16 | stew | abrotman: you'd like it |
| 00:58.22 | abrotman | stew: i see the box score |
| 00:58.29 | shogunx | stoned or use openuniverse and fake it. |
| 00:58.32 | abrotman | stew: tomorrow and thursday are on espn/espn2 |
| 00:58.42 | jhenn | could debian run on a 33mhz laptop? |
| 00:58.45 | thingfish | I think from now on, in the channel, I shall confine myself to making comments about draperies and fine cocktails. |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | jhenn: maybe .. how much RAM ? |
| 00:59.01 | jhenn | abrotman: 20 |
| 00:59.10 | abrotman | stew: holy crap .. gonzalez homered? |
| 00:59.13 | stew | yes |
| 00:59.26 | stoned | shogunx, I thought about it |
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| 00:59.40 | abrotman | jhenn: eh .. you can try installing woody |
| 00:59.41 | agney | good bye |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | jhenn: what do you want to use it for ? |
| 01:00.14 | jhenn | abrotman: just taking notes in class |
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| 01:00.24 | nse | Alex__: which cd image did you download? |
| 01:00.26 | stew | jhenn: that's lower than what is recommended by for the installer, though like abrotman said, installing woody and upgrading might work, so long as its at least a 486 |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | jhenn: like .. notes in vi ? |
| 01:00.51 | jhenn | abrotman: yes |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | i guess it would work |
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| 01:02.12 | Alex__ | I downloaded 3 dvds from debian testing |
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| 01:02.42 | stew | Alex__: what is the problem you are having? just no manual partitioning support? |
| 01:02.42 | threat | Alex__, nice |
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| 01:03.09 | stoned | shogunx, holy geez that a HUGE freaking supercluster of processors |
| 01:03.12 | stoned | dayaaam |
| 01:03.22 | Alex__ | When I get to autopartitioning stage, autopartitioner fails |
| 01:03.26 | threat | stoned, where? |
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| 01:03.37 | stoned | threat, NASA supercomputer |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | !ops HeikoZ has returned |
| 01:03.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: HeikoZ has returned |
| 01:03.54 | threat | stoned, link? |
| 01:03.56 | Alex__ | I'm trying to manually partition the drive, but I don't know how |
| 01:03.56 | nse | Alex__: could you paste me the exact url from where you got the iso? maybe there is a problem with testing cds at fsn.hu |
| 01:03.57 | HeikoZ | Give anti-social trolls like Peter Palfrader (aka weasel) no chance. Vote for Humanity! Give people like weasel some job far away from humans. No Community needs abusive psychopaths like Peter Palfrader! |
| 01:03.58 | shogunx | thats sgi's columbia... their last great work it seems. |
| 01:04.05 | stoned | threat, http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/universe/gwave.html |
| 01:04.13 | threat | thanx |
| 01:04.19 | stew | Alex__: is there no option for manual partitioning? is there an "expert" option available at boot: (hit f1 at the boot: prompt) |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | RichiH: kline! |
| 01:04.33 | GaiaX11 | My system is too have. Do I have to uninstall Kde or Gnome to lighten things? |
| 01:04.37 | stoned | HeikoZ, ? |
| 01:04.42 | stoned | abrotman, ? |
| 01:04.44 | Alex__ | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch-dvd/ |
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| 01:04.56 | stoned | GaiaX11, what do you mean? |
| 01:05.08 | stoned | GaiaX11, what you are looking to do? |
| 01:05.11 | stoned | are you* |
| 01:05.12 | abrotman | stoned: troll |
| 01:05.15 | stoned | ahh |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | stoned: erm .. he is .. not you |
| 01:05.22 | stoned | yes, I got it :) |
| 01:05.26 | GaiaX11 | The apps are too slow to start up |
| 01:05.36 | shogunx | threat http://www.nas.nasa.gov/Resources/Systems/columbia.html |
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| 01:05.53 | stoned | GaiaX11, could you give me the specs of your machine, and what debian distro and what you need your pc to do, and maybe I can make some recoomendations on lighter software |
| 01:05.56 | Alex__ | I tried expert option, but it appeard to fail at the same point, so i went alt+f2 to go to command line |
| 01:06.30 | Alex__ | Now could someone help me to partition my hard drive manually |
| 01:06.43 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.48 | stoned | ? |
| 01:07.22 | nse | Alex__: that's it! those images are not official, you should definetively (i don't know how to say this) get an official image at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:07.27 | Alex__ | At least there is no manual partitioning support in gui |
| 01:07.32 | shogunx | Alex__ are you sure your hard disks/disk controllers are detected? |
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| 01:07.55 | GaiaX11 | Athon 1.3; 512 memory; voodoo3 vc; 40gb Hd |
| 01:08.15 | GaiaX11 | OS=debian Sarge |
| 01:08.23 | Alex__ | I'm pretty sure, that it is detected - detect disk part went well, and I saw the partitions using fdisk |
| 01:08.25 | nse | Alex__: I am having exactly the same problems that you, this iso is crap. you'll have to download everything again and burn them into new disks |
| 01:08.58 | stew | Alex__: nse: have either of you checked http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer ? |
| 01:09.05 | stoned | GaiaX11, you should be ok with kde or gnome, I run kde3.5 on unstable on a 866mhz 512 40gb hdd, and it works quite alright. You can try maybe xfce, which is very nice, very good, and much much lighter than either gnome or kde. That would help out a bit. |
| 01:09.21 | threat | shogunx, nice, do you have any other links related to that? :) |
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| 01:09.54 | nse | Alex__: there was a guy at #debian-boot who told me about this that I am telling you. there are official and unofficial isos, perhaps our isos are not good |
| 01:10.02 | stew | Alex__: nse: also http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
| 01:10.05 | GaiaX11 | So. Do I have to uninstall gnome and kde first? |
| 01:10.28 | shogunx | threat i'm reading the application for an account on it right now. |
| 01:10.35 | shogunx | http://www.nas.nasa.gov/Users/Forms/accountrequestform.html |
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| 01:11.18 | GaiaX11 | Three days ago things were all right then I updated openoffice and perhaps this is the problem. |
| 01:11.30 | nse | which is the correct form: "which cd image did you download?" or "which cd image you downloaded?" ? |
| 01:11.32 | magyar | am here now |
| 01:11.48 | Alex__ | I have not checked bugs page, I'll look at debiian boot |
| 01:12.25 | threat | shogunx, aawww |
| 01:12.28 | stew | nse: the first |
| 01:13.19 | Alex__ | the autopartitioner seems to stuck at lvm_init_dev(full path to the last partition) command |
| 01:13.29 | stoned | GaiaX11, OO.org is a nasty resource hogger |
| 01:13.46 | stoned | GaiaX11, if you just need word processesing look into abiword |
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| 01:14.23 | threat | hmm what does it mean when you type in apt-get dist-upgrade and your arm starts to spontanisly bleed? |
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| 01:14.53 | julien | does etch net iso works with 8139too net interface? I didn't manage to get network interface installed on 2.6.15 with K7 kernel. |
| 01:14.55 | nvz | threat: means you should have put the knife down before attempting to touch type at 200wpm |
| 01:14.59 | stoned | GaiaX11, what I am thinking is that you have gnome and kde applications both started all the time and using both DE libs loaded and and then other apps, network sockets, other stuff going on, so yeah, maybe all that is bogging your system down |
| 01:14.59 | stew | threat: run memtest86 |
| 01:15.21 | GaiaX11 | I use openoffice because i can turn the docs into PDF |
| 01:15.21 | threat | nvz, arh, so that was my mistake :) |
| 01:15.28 | threat | stew, ok Iwill try that too |
| 01:15.33 | Alex__ | I'll try #debian-boot before downloading new isos |
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| 01:15.58 | trym | how do I remove a package without removing packages depending on it? |
| 01:16.00 | GaiaX11 | Perhaps. So, what to do? |
| 01:16.01 | threat | GaiaX11, I can do that using cutepdf or the PDF printer thingy for cups |
| 01:16.05 | stoned | GaiaX11, well, I don't know what else to tell you, bloatware on s system like yours is GOING to lag no matter what |
| 01:16.14 | stew | trym: in general you don't, why do you want to? |
| 01:16.23 | SonyaKrusz | hi guys |
| 01:16.28 | trym | stew: I want to remove ImageMagick and install a custom version |
| 01:16.34 | trym | so I need to remove the installed package |
| 01:16.50 | stew | trym: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | or make your own deb |
| 01:17.25 | stoned | deb is a sexy name |
| 01:17.38 | stoned | randomness, I shush |
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| 01:17.46 | thingfish | oh stoned get some oxygen or something. |
| 01:17.52 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:18.03 | stoned | I find it aesthetically pleasing to hear |
| 01:18.08 | thingfish | hey there nvz |
| 01:18.08 | GaiaX11 | Do you think that It would be good to take openoffice away then? |
| 01:18.13 | nvz | thingfish: hello |
| 01:18.28 | thingfish | nvz: you been traveling? |
| 01:18.29 | trym | stew: will it work when I already have the package installed? |
| 01:18.35 | nvz | thingfish: little bit |
| 01:18.48 | stoned | GaiaX11, use Abiword for word processing, and use pdf tools/utils to convert docs to pdf. You can use Abiword, and cups/pdf printer option to convert as well |
| 01:18.50 | thingfish | nvz: are ya making the big bucks? |
| 01:19.12 | stew | trym: it will replace the package you have installed |
| 01:19.27 | nvz | thingfish: well I'm getting by, I just rented a place in Star City |
| 01:19.38 | carlb | can someone tell me the best package to install to get a minimal but functional windowing environment running on debian? |
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| 01:19.46 | thingfish | nvz: hey man good for you! |
| 01:19.51 | carlb | minimal is the key word there |
| 01:20.02 | stew | carlb: what version of debian? |
| 01:20.07 | stoned | nvz, I just failed my calculus class, and now I have to get a job, pay for 3-4 classes out of pocket, get my gpa up and get back on financial aid. In a new city/town and I don't know where anything is |
| 01:20.09 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:20.14 | carlb | I just tried apt-get install fluxbox |
| 01:20.24 | carlb | it installed, but it wont start up |
| 01:20.26 | stew | carlb: "apt-get install x-window-system-core" if you are on stable or testing |
| 01:20.34 | carlb | stable |
| 01:20.37 | carlb | cool |
| 01:20.40 | carlb | will report |
| 01:20.42 | carlb | thanks stew |
| 01:21.00 | nvz | thingfish: I am working with two different contractors during the day right now making $10/hr at one and $8/hr with the other.. but I am thinking about finding a regular job and maybe sticking around awhile... not sure yet. Thought about maybe joining the brand new geek squad location across the street my cousin works there. |
| 01:21.03 | nse | Alex__: if you were here, you could see this: http://pastebin.com/708662 |
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| 01:21.21 | stoned | nvz, I am about to hit up temp agencies until I find something perm. |
| 01:21.32 | stoned | nvz, have you thought about them |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | nvz: are you still in FL ? |
| 01:22.28 | stoned | pitt/pa |
| 01:22.40 | stoned | doh |
| 01:22.46 | stoned | hey man, whad I do? |
| 01:22.52 | nvz | stoned: yeah I had two jobs through temps at home before I started heading south.. my plans were to be in florida right now, but I got this far ran into some oppertunity to make money and rented a place and thinking about opening a bank account here. might move on in 6-10months or so but going to setup something here I guess |
| 01:23.07 | nvz | abrotman: never made it that far. I rented a place in Star City. |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | eh? |
| 01:23.18 | abrotman | i thought you had a job down there |
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| 01:23.25 | stoned | star city man, you know from super mario brothers |
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| 01:23.27 | thingfish | nvz: dude just hang in there. it's tough for us geek males. |
| 01:23.40 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well I got a million jobs here and I dont have to travel as far :P |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:23.51 | thingfish | nvz: I hear cocaine trafficing pays well. |
| 01:23.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:24.01 | GaiaX11 | How do I know that gnome-libraries and kde-libraries are running at the same time and slow the system? |
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| 01:24.38 | nvz | abrotman: I got enough building to do here this summer I could work 60-80 hours a week if I could handle it |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:24.55 | nvz | abrotman: I got to decide if I want to get in shape or sit in the A/C at best buy |
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| 01:25.17 | homer_ | hi guys |
| 01:25.23 | homer_ | hi all |
| 01:25.31 | homer_ | i installed sarge and i just made an upgrade |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | nvz: fat ass! |
| 01:25.38 | homer_ | to unstable |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | good plan |
| 01:25.46 | homer_ | or at least im trying |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | now it's borked? |
| 01:26.00 | homer_ | apt-get is saying i need gpgv but it dosen't let me install it because |
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| 01:26.14 | stew | homer_: apt-get install gnupg |
| 01:26.18 | homer_ | it dosen't find the source on http asking me to make apt-get update and then that is the one thats need gpgv |
| 01:26.35 | stew | homer_: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 01:26.35 | nvz | abrotman: I swear I already look to be whipping into shape fast. but I spent about 7 hours building decks today and then about 4 roofing as well when I am roofing its not uncommon for me to move 2ton of shingles in a 10-16 hr day |
| 01:26.43 | homer_ | stew: i have it but from the stable branch, does it that matter ? |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | nvz: you are lazy |
| 01:26.52 | magyar | is 2.6.16 going to move into etch? |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | maybe |
| 01:27.06 | stew | magyar: /msg dpkg why is linux-source-2.6.16 not in testing |
| 01:27.38 | stew | homer_: i'm not sure, but it sounds like it |
| 01:27.47 | stew | homer_: why do you still have stable packages installed? |
| 01:28.11 | abrotman | maybe didn't do a dist-upgrade |
| 01:28.12 | homer_ | stew because i coudn't get unstable gnupg |
| 01:28.20 | nvz | abrotman: heh. I mentioned applying at best buy and my uncles wife said she "can get you (me) a job at the university if you want to be a geek" and I kindly explained to here, its not something I want.. its just the fact of the matter. |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:28.22 | homer_ | stew so i went back to stable to get gnupg |
| 01:28.31 | marco13185 | Good Night All. I will be back soon enough |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | nvz: get a job at uni! |
| 01:28.39 | homer_ | stew and now trying im updating the repository to use unstable branch right no |
| 01:28.50 | stew | homer_: why couldn't you get unstable gnupg? |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | maybe shouldn't be using unstable ... |
| 01:29.12 | homer_ | stew, well first of all i made a download of x-window-system |
| 01:29.15 | carlb | there must be an easier way (just want windowing to work and I picked the wrong settings for X and it dies right away) |
| 01:29.32 | homer_ | stew, which have a borked package so i delete that package so apt-get could get it again |
| 01:29.35 | nvz | abrotman: If I get a job at WVU I will feel more obligated to settle here and I dont really want that. WVU is a nice place but I really got other things to see |
| 01:29.37 | SonyaKrusz | Give anti-social trolls like Peter Palfrader (aka weasel) no chance. Vote for Humanity! Give people like weasel some job far away from humans. No Community needs abusive psychopaths like Peter Palfrader! |
| 01:29.40 | carlb | how can I get the config dialog to come up again for x-window-system-core? |
| 01:29.42 | stew | carlb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:29.48 | carlb | good man |
| 01:29.52 | carlb | (woman) |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | or xserver-xorg |
| 01:30.07 | stew | lilo: RichiH SonyaKrusz is a new incarnation of the troll |
| 01:30.20 | SonyaKrusz | stew, and you are a hero on the internet. |
| 01:30.30 | abrotman | what a tard |
| 01:30.32 | homer_ | stew, that just broke everything in my system, because thats why i could not get the package its was saying that i need to apt-get -f install but everytime i do that it just say it can't resolve the hostname and that i have to do apt-get update but that is where i find the problem |
| 01:30.33 | magyar | stew: "five days old", does that mean they are testing the 2.6.16 update for 5 days now? |
| 01:30.44 | homer_ | stew, with gnupg so i went back to get stable gnupg and then use it to update the repo now |
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| 01:30.52 | abrotman | magyar: that means that package is 5 days old |
| 01:31.09 | stew | homer_: you need to fix your dns, man resolv.conf |
| 01:31.19 | magyar | abrotman: how is it five days old? |
| 01:31.22 | homer_ | stew, hmm |
| 01:31.36 | homer_ | stew, my dns is fine im using irc on the same machine |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | magyar: different revision |
| 01:31.43 | stew | magyar: it means the last upload of 2.6.16 was 5 days ago (which is enough only 3 would be needed) |
| 01:31.43 | homer_ | stew, and im browsing the internet on links on another console |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | magyar: they upload fixes all the time .. |
| 01:32.00 | stew | homer_: "...it just say it can't resolve the hostname..." |
| 01:32.16 | stew | homer_: that sounds like a dns problem to me, maybe you made an error in your sources.list |
| 01:32.18 | homer_ | stew, no that was the first problem |
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| 01:32.33 | homer_ | stew, the second one was because of gpgv or something like that |
| 01:32.40 | stew | homer_: that is just a warning |
| 01:32.41 | homer_ | stew, netselect was the one getting my source.list |
| 01:32.47 | stew | homer_: what is the current problem? |
| 01:32.47 | homer_ | :-( |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | stew: richih might be in bed by now .. might just wanna call ops .. ? |
| 01:33.02 | jepler | If "apt-get build-dep xxx; fakeroot apt-get -b source xxx" fails, does that mean the "xxx" package source is broken? |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | stew: though .. /stats p shows lilo |
| 01:33.11 | homer_ | stew, wait im waitting for the update to drop the error |
| 01:33.11 | homer_ | stew, just some minutes please |
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| 01:33.25 | magyar | abrotman: oh, so 2.6.16-12 is from sid than |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | yep |
| 01:33.32 | stew | !ops SonyaKrusz is HeikoZ, repeat troll |
| 01:33.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: SonyaKrusz is HeikoZ, repeat troll |
| 01:33.41 | SonyaKrusz | homer_ dont hurry, take your time. helpers like stew are social. |
| 01:33.42 | magyar | :) |
| 01:33.56 | homer_ | SonyaKrusz :-) |
| 01:34.04 | homer_ | oh that was a bot |
| 01:34.12 | homer_ | hehehe |
| 01:34.12 | TraceGreen | Hello, I can not select "SCSI device support" when compile my kernel. |
| 01:34.18 | SonyaKrusz | homer_ yes, stew is a begging bot that calls for mama |
| 01:34.47 | SonyaKrusz | you hear the bot? "mama, mama come quick. i pee my pants" |
| 01:34.56 | abrotman | stupid people suck |
| 01:35.05 | stew | TraceGreen: you cannot select it becuase you need to select SCSI support or SCSI Generic support (something that scsi device support depends on) |
| 01:35.09 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, right. and you rock the internet. |
| 01:35.28 | abrotman | lilo: you show up in /stats p .. can you do anything? |
| 01:35.52 | SonyaKrusz | Alexander Tait Brotman, a true man who worships the moral and ethical standards of humanity |
| 01:35.54 | homer_ | stew i think i fixed it |
| 01:35.57 | nvz | oh well its been a long day.. gonna go do something like eat or sleep ... |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | sad wanker |
| 01:36.12 | TraceGreen | stew, thanks, but what it may depend on? |
| 01:36.15 | homer_ | stew i just import the keyring for the gpg, thanks to the article on debian-administration |
| 01:36.16 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, what now? you call people a "wanker" on this channel? do i have to ban you? |
| 01:36.18 | homer_ | stew, thanks |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | SonyaKrusz: go right ahead |
| 01:36.37 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, or better, shall i ban you from entire Freenode? |
| 01:36.40 | stew | TraceGreen: CONFIG_SCSI |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | SonyaKrusz: so do it |
| 01:36.48 | nvz | heh |
| 01:36.48 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, i hate people like you who are harassing women |
| 01:36.49 | stew | abrotman: please stop feeding |
| 01:37.01 | mikeg | hi, all. how to do make the udev add a new device file ? how will i do that? |
| 01:37.04 | homer_ | well now i think i can get irssi |
| 01:37.04 | abrotman | i don't see any women here |
| 01:37.04 | TraceGreen | stew, my CONFIG_SCSI is "y" |
| 01:37.09 | SonyaKrusz | dumm wie brot, in the original meaning: Alexander Tait Brotman |
| 01:37.10 | homer_ | and erase bitchx from my system |
| 01:37.11 | SonyaKrusz | hahah |
| 01:37.11 | homer_ | later |
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| 01:37.54 | mikeg | any suggestion? |
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| 01:38.11 | carlb | hmm, trying to figure out which graphic driver to pick for a debian vmware install |
| 01:38.15 | abrotman | mikeg: new device for what? |
| 01:38.15 | SonyaKrusz | mikeg, lets see what abrotman and stew say about it. they are social and very knowledgeable :) |
| 01:38.22 | cmatheson | mikeg: i think w/ udev you aren't generally supposed to manually create device files |
| 01:38.27 | kspath | SonyaKrusz: Are you ok? |
| 01:38.30 | mikeg | abrotman: en. kqemu |
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| 01:38.37 | SonyaKrusz | kspath, i am fine, thanks. how are you? |
| 01:38.39 | stew | kspath: please dont feed |
| 01:38.59 | SonyaKrusz | kspath, i have a crush on social and caring linux helpers. are you one? |
| 01:39.02 | cmatheson | maybe just /ignore SonyaKrusz ? |
| 01:39.09 | mikeg | it is a accelector for qemu. |
| 01:39.12 | kspath | SonyaKrusz: I am an evil bot. |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | maybe get the ircops to kill ? |
| 01:39.18 | TraceGreen | stew, if CONFIG_SCSI is "y", does it mean my kernel should support sata? |
| 01:39.22 | mikeg | and it need a device file under /dev/ |
| 01:39.23 | SonyaKrusz | cmatheson, why so rude? dont you have manners? |
| 01:39.33 | abrotman | !afo |
| 01:39.33 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | darn it! |
| 01:39.39 | SonyaKrusz | cmatheson, am i the first female you talk to? |
| 01:39.46 | cmatheson | what does !afo do? |
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| 01:40.01 | abrotman | cmatheson: it's a joke .. |
| 01:40.02 | SonyaKrusz | !afo is like: "mamaaaaa, please mama come quick" |
| 01:40.02 | stew | TraceGreen: you need to enable sata as well, of course |
| 01:40.02 | dpkg | ...but afo is already something else... |
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| 01:40.04 | carlb | ha, vmware is in the list |
| 01:40.09 | Serial | Hi where download please audacious.deb pls?????????????? |
| 01:40.09 | Serial | :D |
| 01:40.25 | liable | are we opsless atm? |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | liable: of course |
| 01:40.34 | Serial | i cant installer why libgnutls13 dependence |
| 01:40.34 | cmatheson | abrotman: oh sorry, missed that one |
| 01:40.39 | dvs | liable: you make it sound like it's rare |
| 01:40.43 | Serial | please |
| 01:40.50 | SonyaKrusz | seriously, preach the word! we need more humanity in the Open Source Community! |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | mikeg: MAKEDEV ? |
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| 01:41.04 | liable | dvs: i was gonna say again, but changed my mind :) |
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| 01:41.30 | abrotman | mikeg: is there a #qemu that might know more ? |
| 01:41.31 | jepler | are all debs supposed to be buildable by "apt-get -b source <packagename>"? The documentation for apt-get doesn't state otherwise... |
| 01:41.45 | mikeg | abrotman: hi, I can create this device by manaual. |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | mikeg: using mknod or what? |
| 01:42.03 | mikeg | yes. |
| 01:42.07 | mikeg | I use the mknod |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | i think udev creates devices for hardware it sees ... |
| 01:42.25 | mikeg | but now, i want to the udev create it when i load the module. |
| 01:42.27 | stew | mikeg: if you run udev, you shouldn't be bothering with mknod or MAKEDEV |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | though .. loading the drirver should do it .. i'd think |
| 01:42.38 | mikeg | stew: yes. |
| 01:42.40 | stew | mikeg: what device? |
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| 01:42.41 | SonyaKrusz | preach! the! word! we ALL need more humanity in the Open Source Community! |
| 01:42.57 | mikeg | stew: kqemu. the accelertor for qemu. |
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| 01:43.06 | mikeg | the kernel module is kqemu. |
| 01:43.13 | mikeg | and the device name /dev/kqemu |
| 01:43.15 | abrotman | mikeg: wouldn't it be easier to get a faster machine? :) |
| 01:43.23 | SonyaKrusz | mikeg, better use the vmware server beta. its free for download. |
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| 01:43.35 | abrotman | it's not free |
| 01:43.36 | mikeg | abrotman: I just test the qemu. |
| 01:43.38 | mikeg | :) |
| 01:43.46 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, its free for download. you clueless person. |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | it's not free you clueless person |
| 01:44.05 | Ronin | abrotman: you do seem to have a gift |
| 01:44.15 | abrotman | Ronin: for finding non-free software? :) |
| 01:44.30 | Ronin | that too, i was being more bofh actually |
| 01:44.38 | SonyaKrusz | he does not even know what "free for download" means |
| 01:44.49 | Ronin | oh im sure he does |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | Ronin: that's nothing .. you should hear what my parents think of me! :) |
| 01:45.03 | Ronin | heh |
| 01:45.20 | stew | mikeg: have you tried: modprobe kqemu major=0 |
| 01:45.25 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, are your parents also hot for useless debian policies? |
| 01:45.32 | carlb | thank you stw |
| 01:45.35 | carlb | stew |
| 01:45.39 | Ronin | now SonyaKrusz if you cant play nice... |
| 01:45.47 | carlb | got something up that I can start with |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | Ronin: are you saying i'm a BOFH ? |
| 01:45.50 | mikeg | stew: thank you, i am try now. |
| 01:46.01 | Ronin | abrotman: no but i certainly have been this week at work |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | Ronin: i blame dell crap :) |
| 01:46.23 | Ronin | thinking about getting one of those silly mini license plates that say that and putting it on my desk |
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| 01:46.46 | mikeg | stew: hi. |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | Ronin: get it on a boulder! |
| 01:46.55 | mikeg | the udev had created the device file. |
| 01:46.57 | Stevie | greetings, mortals |
| 01:46.57 | mikeg | thanks |
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| 01:47.12 | mikeg | but, I had add something into the rules file. |
| 01:47.20 | mikeg | /dev/udev/udev.conf |
| 01:47.25 | stew | mikeg: that was on the first google hit for kqemu udev |
| 01:47.27 | kspath | Stevie: Some of us transcend time. |
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| 01:47.31 | abrotman | gravity: can you do us a favor? |
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| 01:47.48 | SonyaKrusz | Ronin, you know what? the kqemu is not free also. but the poor abrotman boy did not mention that :) its just important to say that vmware server beta is free to be downloaded and USED, but concidered non-free according to some debian policy. and i call that clueless :) |
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| 01:47.52 | mikeg | stew, yes I had found something. thank for your help. |
| 01:47.53 | Stevie | kspath: Time, yes. Death, no. |
| 01:47.54 | kspath | Stevie: I do not know who "us" are but that is what I heard. |
| 01:47.54 | gravity | abrotman: What? |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | gravity: kill SonyaKrusz please |
| 01:48.05 | stew | gravity: SonyaKrusz: is trolling, been klined twice, evading a ban |
| 01:48.12 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, please get a clue you silly boy. |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | thanks for proving it .. |
| 01:48.45 | SonyaKrusz | kspath :p |
| 01:49.21 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, is it possible that you have a bad temper? |
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| 01:49.28 | abrotman | not really |
| 01:49.30 | Stevie | abrotman: I love it when people come in here and behave as if you're the idiot troll |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | Stevie: i'm just the idiot |
| 01:49.43 | SonyaKrusz | abrotman, being clueless and having a bad temper the same time is pretty offending, you know |
| 01:49.47 | dvs | Stevie: And then... bam! |
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| 01:50.09 | abrotman | !info qemu etch |
| 01:50.14 | Stevie | dvs: Well, that part's inevitable |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | unlike vmware ... |
| 01:50.20 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.8.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 2695 kB, Installed size: 7652 kB |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | thanks for playing though |
| 01:50.27 | SonyaKrusz | i said kqemu, you clueless boy. |
| 01:50.30 | Stevie | btw, just how fast is qemu? |
| 01:50.39 | SonyaKrusz | kqemu is non-free like vmware server beta is non-free. |
| 01:50.48 | Stevie | I once got about 2% through booting KDE from Knoppix under Bochs |
| 01:50.51 | SonyaKrusz | and without the accelerator module, your qemu is worth nothing |
| 01:50.52 | abrotman | i never said a word about kqemu .. did i ? |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | lalala .. silence is golden ... |
| 01:51.20 | gravity | SonyaKrusz: People frequently use regular qemu to do Debian work, so it's worth something |
| 01:51.22 | SonyaKrusz | so he can go and use the vmware server beta which is much better than all this qemu stuff |
| 01:51.22 | Stevie | what about xgkqemu? |
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| 01:51.44 | kspath | SonyaKrusz: In your opinion. |
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| 01:51.48 | SonyaKrusz | Stevie, do you have it packaged for debian? |
| 01:51.50 | djpirate | cczn alert |
| 01:51.52 | gravity | Anyway |
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| 01:52.23 | djpirate | For the trippy of heart and trippy of mind, listen to zachhale and trip all the time. |
| 01:52.25 | gravity | That was fun |
| 01:52.30 | Stevie | SonyaKrusz: All packages that I am the Debian Maintainer of are available on your machine |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | gravity: you didn't even kick him |
| 01:52.41 | zachhale | djpirate: what? |
| 01:52.42 | Stevie | SonyaKrusz: tar xvf /dev/null |
| 01:52.46 | djpirate | no u |
| 01:52.49 | Stevie | !u |
| 01:52.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:53.04 | djpirate | no u |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | sometimes .. i miss the wild west days ... |
| 01:53.16 | Stevie | no me? |
| 01:53.30 | Ronin | abrotman: kill em all let god sort em out? |
| 01:53.39 | Stevie | Kill init and let fsck sort it out |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | Ronin: screw god .. leave the bodies lie :) |
| 01:53.50 | Ronin | even better |
| 01:53.50 | Stevie | :) |
| 01:54.59 | Stevie | okay, everybody cross yer fingers. I'm about to try burning a DL DVD+R via k3b |
| 01:55.14 | gravity | Oh, good luck! |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | !bless Stevie |
| 01:55.16 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Stevie, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:55.19 | gravity | I've never even tried to burn a DVD yet |
| 01:55.28 | Stevie | Thank you, abrotman |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | gravity: i tried .. X crashed |
| 01:55.42 | gravity | abrotman: I blame Joerg Schilling |
| 01:55.45 | gravity | And my mom |
| 01:55.54 | djpirate | I don't got time to fuck around. |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | gravity: your mom is mostly to blame .. not nearly enough chicken in the soup! |
| 01:56.09 | Stevie | [21:55] -SonyaKrusz- Stevie? sunshine? are you some gay fag? |
| 01:56.10 | djpirate | shut up irr |
| 01:56.12 | Stevie | no, i'm some straight fag |
| 01:56.21 | gravity | hahaha |
| 01:56.46 | GaiaX11 | I missed my questions answers. How can I see then again? |
| 01:56.52 | Stevie | you could scroll up |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | GaiaX11: /lastlog GaiaX11 |
| 01:57.13 | GaiaX11 | Thanks! abrotman |
| 01:57.21 | Stevie | 5%. 458MB or 7765MB written |
| 01:57.27 | Stevie | s[or][of] |
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| 01:57.38 | djpirate | shut up don't talk. |
| 01:57.51 | gravity | God... can't do homework any more. Must fix bugs... |
| 01:57.53 | kspath | djpirate: Are you a bot? |
| 01:57.58 | djpirate | no u |
| 01:58.05 | Stevie | lol |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | djpirate: shuddup |
| 01:58.10 | djpirate | no u |
| 01:58.17 | abrotman | djpirate: do you like pizza? |
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| 01:58.19 | kspath | djpirate: Are you a "no u" bot? |
| 01:58.20 | gravity | Eliza 2006 |
| 01:58.21 | djpirate | bucky probably joined this channel to idle like a rnd disp pnknz fgt. |
| 01:58.24 | djpirate | no u |
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| 01:58.28 | djpirate | kreg_dcdi added to current fag list. |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | djpirate: hi |
| 01:58.32 | kspath | djpirate: Are you a "no u" bot? |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | djpirate: hi |
| 01:58.35 | djpirate | that's not funny |
| 01:58.35 | Ronin | kspath: id say yes a stupid bot |
| 01:58.37 | abrotman | djpirate: hi |
| 01:58.40 | gravity | djpirate: Ok, stop now |
| 01:58.45 | djpirate | no u |
| 01:58.46 | gravity | Everyone else stop harassing djpirate too |
| 01:58.46 | kreg_dcdi | >: O |
| 01:58.47 | bucky | !tell djpirate about u |
| 01:58.52 | djpirate | no u |
| 01:58.52 | Stevie | gravity: what bugs? |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | gravity: it's a bot .. sic! |
| 01:59.00 | gravity | Stevie: X font bugs :-\ |
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| 01:59.05 | kreg_dcdi | ? |
| 01:59.06 | djpirate | A birdie once told me frcmstr is a fgt. |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | see |
| 01:59.21 | bucky | !ops djpirate troll |
| 01:59.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: djpirate troll |
| 01:59.23 | chron | !pkg |
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| 01:59.26 | djpirate | good riddance |
| 01:59.26 | djpirate | no u |
| 01:59.26 | gravity | bucky: I see it |
| 01:59.28 | djpirate | A birdie once told me abrotman is a fgt. |
| 01:59.31 | chron | !pkg |
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| 01:59.41 | chron | !packages |
| 01:59.41 | dpkg | i heard packages is a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 01:59.46 | kspath | I have to wonder if djpirate has a bot/script that writes "no u" else a different problem. Perhaps lack of medication. |
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| 02:00.05 | chron | where are the packages on ftp? |
| 02:00.07 | chron | is it under pool? |
| 02:00.11 | Stevie | Days like this I miss the times when all the twits used Windows 9[58] |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | chron: yes |
| 02:00.18 | bucky | djpirate is a bot |
| 02:00.24 | gravity | Stevie: :-) |
| 02:00.25 | Stevie | just /whisper <nick> and watch them peer out |
| 02:00.27 | abrotman | bucky: keep up in back there :) |
| 02:00.35 | bucky | and an oxycontin addict |
| 02:00.49 | Stevie | err |
| 02:00.55 | Stevie | how does a bot get addicted to drugs? |
| 02:01.05 | bucky | he's from effnet |
| 02:01.09 | Stevie | like, I saw the episode of Futurama where Bender got hooked on electricity |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | Stevie: ever seen Wargames ? |
| 02:01.24 | Stevie | !start a nuclear war |
| 02:01.25 | dpkg | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 02:01.27 | Stevie | no, never :) |
| 02:01.30 | dvs | hahahaha |
| 02:01.34 | Ronin | bucky: not all the stupid bots come from efnet :) |
| 02:01.42 | Stevie | Yeah, some come from DALNut |
| 02:02.07 | bucky | djpirate comes from atlanta |
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| 02:02.14 | stew | bucky: stop |
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| 02:02.54 | Stevie | aww, he left! |
| 02:03.20 | gravity | The channel will never be the same |
| 02:03.26 | kspath | hehehe |
| 02:03.33 | bucky | one less windows user in the channel |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | now if we can only get rid of gravity |
| 02:03.55 | gravity | I would like to state that, for the record, havarti is an awesome cheese |
| 02:03.57 | Stevie | NASA's been trying to do that for years :) |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | gravity: duh |
| 02:04.10 | bbrazil | abrotman: /nick IntelligentFalling |
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| 02:04.15 | Stevie | I have never had havarti |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | bbrazil: ? |
| 02:04.23 | gravity | Stevie: Highly recommended |
| 02:04.34 | Stevie | Given the fact that this is #debian, bbrazil, shouldn't that be /nick FallingWithStyle ? |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | gravity: and the sox are going to beat the yanks! |
| 02:04.39 | gravity | A lot of flavor, but not really a strong flavor |
| 02:04.43 | gravity | abrotman: Right on |
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| 02:05.44 | Ronin | speaking of cheeses i must go to the farmers market this weekend and pick up some nice stinky cheese and goat cheese |
| 02:05.48 | chron | is tor on the debian package site? |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | chron: in unstable and experimental |
| 02:06.05 | chron | ah |
| 02:06.09 | abrotman | someday .. i'll have weasel explain that |
| 02:06.20 | Stevie | explain what? |
| 02:06.24 | Stevie | that tor is in unstable? |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | Ronin: gjetost? |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | Stevie: and not in etch |
| 02:06.47 | gravity | heh, tor |
| 02:06.54 | TraceGreen | stew, I tried, but "SCSI device support" is not selectable. |
| 02:07.08 | stew | TraceGreen: you said it was already enabled |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | why is he compiling a kernel at all ? |
| 02:07.24 | stew | 21:37 < TraceGreen> stew, my CONFIG_SCSI is "y" |
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| 02:07.47 | Ronin | abrotman: all depends on teh samples i taste that day as to what i get |
| 02:07.59 | newpers | i have an amd64, but don't want 64 bit. do i just download the i386 dvd? |
| 02:08.05 | GaiaX11 | Again. How to use lastlog comand for myself? |
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| 02:08.28 | nse | are there more packages in the first full installation CD of etch or in a netinst etch installation that dowloads all of the sets of packgaes avaliable to install? |
| 02:08.28 | kspath | GaiaX11: /lastlog GaiaX11 |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | Ronin: my mom used to always get me gjetost(sp?) .. GOOD stuff |
| 02:08.40 | dvs | newpers: yes |
| 02:08.44 | newpers | dvs: thanks |
| 02:09.01 | stew | nse: "sets of packages" you mean like tasksel? or do you just mean available packages in the repositories? |
| 02:09.08 | GaiaX11 | It says unknown command |
| 02:09.19 | Ronin | abrotman: never tried it that i know of, wonder if they know of it here |
| 02:09.20 | stew | GaiaX11: what irc client are you using? |
| 02:09.23 | Ronin | only one way to find out |
| 02:09.30 | GaiaX11 | ksirc |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | Ronin: let me find a URL :) |
| 02:09.53 | abrotman | Ronin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjetost |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | Ronin: melts in your mouth :) |
| 02:10.00 | stew | GaiaX11: if it doesn't have a /lastlog command then you really should switch to a better client (are you positive you spelled lastlog correctly?) |
| 02:10.18 | GaiaX11 | Yes |
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| 02:10.42 | GaiaX11 | Which is better? |
| 02:10.45 | Stevie | how about you just ask your question again |
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| 02:10.54 | chron | i'm trying to get /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:10.58 | chron | is this file on the sarge cd? |
| 02:11.02 | chron | if it is, where? |
| 02:11.13 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 02:11.15 | chron | i remember someone telling me about it, i just forgot |
| 02:11.16 | stew | GaiaX11: irssi-text is probably the most liked, followed maybe by xchat? |
| 02:11.24 | chron | the thing is i know i can get it through apt-setup |
| 02:11.25 | Stevie | abrotman: so THAT'S what the command is to get the list |
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| 02:11.30 | chron | but i can't mount the cdrom in this chroot environment |
| 02:11.42 | GaiaX11 | Thanks, stew |
| 02:11.45 | goudkov | hi guys. is there an app that could start several concurrent downloads of the same file from the same location over http? |
| 02:11.49 | abrotman | Stevie: eh ? |
| 02:12.08 | abrotman | chron: apt-cdrom ? |
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| 02:12.16 | Stevie | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ whatever main |
| 02:12.25 | Stevie | ^^ that oughta hold you over |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | there's no release "whatever" :) |
| 02:12.40 | Mariia | Give anti-social trolls like Peter Palfrader (aka weasel) no chance. Vote for Humanity! Give people like weasel some job far away from humans. No Community needs abusive psychopaths like Peter Palfrader! |
| 02:12.52 | Ronin | ohh gravity :) |
| 02:12.54 | stew | lilo: he's back again ^^ |
| 02:12.55 | Stevie | abrotman: THere might be, if we run out of toy story chars |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | gravity: ping! |
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| 02:13.12 | gravity | Wow, so #d-w wasn't enough |
| 02:13.16 | Stevie | who the hell is Mariia and who the hell is Peter Palfrader? |
| 02:13.30 | gravity | Stevie: Peter is weasel |
| 02:13.32 | dvs | Stevie: apparently, he's weasel |
| 02:13.35 | abrotman | Stevie: peter is weasel .. the tor maintainer .. among other packages |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | !maint tor |
| 02:13.43 | Stevie | oh. |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:14.30 | Stevie | 73% |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 02:14.33 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 02:14.56 | abrotman | gravity: he's spamming #d-w too ? |
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| 02:15.08 | Stevie | what's the w? |
| 02:15.09 | gravity | Yes |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | is weasel there too ? |
| 02:15.24 | gravity | Stevie: women |
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| 02:15.27 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:15.39 | Stevie | debian-women? |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | so he's just bombing all the channels that weasel is in .. |
| 02:15.57 | abrotman | what a worthless bag of water |
| 02:15.57 | w32 | hi guys been awhile whats new ? |
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| 02:16.01 | dvs | water? such language! |
| 02:16.29 | Brianx | hi |
| 02:16.30 | Stevie | w32: Same old, same old. Trolls coming in and calling abrotman names |
| 02:16.50 | Brianx | what talking about here? |
| 02:16.53 | w32 | Ahh, big fun |
| 02:17.27 | dpkg | tor: Peter Palfrader <weasel@debian.org> |
| 02:17.34 | gravity | heh |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | dpkg: you're so slow |
| 02:17.43 | dvs | dpkg: wake up |
| 02:17.44 | chron | i'm trying to get /etc/apt/sources.list, and i can't use apt-setup to read the cd in the chroot envrionment |
| 02:17.44 | dpkg | dvs: I'm already awake! :) |
| 02:17.49 | chron | anyone know how i can pull the file from the cd? |
| 02:17.58 | chron | or edit it by hand? |
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| 02:18.06 | Stevie | chron: Just make one up. I gave you a line that will work |
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| 02:18.14 | chron | wait you know what |
| 02:18.15 | stew | chron: editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; or use apt-setup |
| 02:18.17 | chron | i don't even need to do that right now |
| 02:18.23 | Stevie | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ whatever main |
| 02:18.23 | dvs | chron: that file probably isn't on the disdc |
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| 02:18.43 | Stevie | subsitute your favorite version for 'whatever'. Unless it's potato, I don't think that'll still work |
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| 02:18.44 | chron | ok now i'm trying to get a package all manually, the computer i'm installing pkgs to is offline |
| 02:18.57 | chron | i guess i have to see the webpage for packages? |
| 02:18.58 | cored | hi all |
| 02:18.59 | w32 | I just got out of jail yesterday |
| 02:19.02 | Stevie | get the pkg, then dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 02:19.04 | chron | and then get the dependencies as well? |
| 02:19.10 | Stevie | w32: I told you not to hack into the NSA |
| 02:19.10 | dvs | w32: so did I! ;-) |
| 02:19.15 | w32 | hi cored |
| 02:19.16 | chron | is there an easier way to do it? |
| 02:19.30 | Stevie | chron: That *is* the easy way to do it |
| 02:19.35 | Ronin | put the computer online? ;) |
| 02:19.37 | chron | damn |
| 02:19.44 | chron | i have several packages and they each have alot of dependencies |
| 02:19.54 | Stevie | chron: Then get it online. Or maybe use jigdo |
| 02:19.56 | w32 | my lawyer was a jackass |
| 02:20.01 | Stevie | Can jigdo handle dependencies? |
| 02:20.14 | chron | oh well, and i'm guessing if i dpkg the thing, it will automatically use those deps? |
| 02:20.21 | cored | w32: hello |
| 02:20.23 | chron | if it's in the directory |
| 02:20.28 | gravity | chron: Nope |
| 02:20.31 | Ronin | chron: why isnt putting the computer online an option? |
| 02:20.32 | stew | Stevie: no, it doesn't need to unless whomever was setting up the jigdo template made a big mistake |
| 02:20.36 | chron | i have to dpkg all of them? |
| 02:20.44 | gravity | chron: dpkg is really low level. You may just want to make a local repository really fast and throw your packages in there |
| 02:20.46 | Stevie | stew: I thought that for jigdo you just told it the packages you wanted |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
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| 02:21.05 | stew | Stevie: no, you point it at a .jigdo file which is basically a gzipped list of packages |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | stew: that game is out of control |
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| 02:21.10 | chron | gravity what do you mean? |
| 02:21.11 | cored | hmm |
| 02:21.17 | stew | abrotman: oh we stopped watching |
| 02:21.19 | abrotman | stew: that's like .. their 3 day limit .. all in one night :) |
| 02:21.24 | cored | i don't know why X is asking me for specifying framebuffer bus ID |
| 02:21.31 | stew | abrotman: he doesn't have apt setup yet, so apt-get -f install isnt' going to help him |
| 02:21.40 | abrotman | stew: oh .. yeah :) |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | details details .. |
| 02:21.48 | cored | i don't want to use framebuffer for X on my alptop |
| 02:21.50 | chron | can i use apt-get -f install? |
| 02:21.52 | chron | that will work? |
| 02:21.52 | Stevie | stew: wtf are you trying to do? |
| 02:21.58 | stew | chron: dpkg doesn't pull dependencies, that's a the job of something like apt-get or aptitude |
| 02:22.04 | stew | Stevie: pardon? |
| 02:22.05 | Ronin | and he doesnt want to seem to put it online either or tell us why he wont |
| 02:22.24 | Stevie | err |
| 02:22.28 | Stevie | not you, chron |
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| 02:22.31 | abrotman | stew: on the bright side .. they made the yanks use a good number of relievers |
| 02:22.39 | chron | so i'm guessing dpkg doesn't download a list of packages, like a tree, it just "asks" online? |
| 02:22.52 | stew | chron: no, it just installs and configures packages |
| 02:22.54 | chron | it searches in an online database rather than an offline? |
| 02:22.57 | stew | chron: and removes them. |
| 02:23.04 | stew | chron: it doesn't search anything |
| 02:23.09 | chron | oh, then what is the search feature doing? |
| 02:23.14 | chron | apt-get search? or is that not valid? |
| 02:23.29 | stew | chron: that's not dpkg, you are thinking of apt. and its apt-cache search |
| 02:23.41 | chron | ah yea, right |
| 02:23.57 | stew | chron: you need to read the apt-howto |
| 02:24.04 | chron | so basically the way to do it is look at the package webpage, and then get the files |
| 02:24.08 | chron | and the dpkg them all? |
| 02:24.19 | stew | chron: no, use apt-get ; apt-setup |
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| 02:24.25 | chron | offline computer |
| 02:24.27 | Ronin | chron: why not just put the bloody machine on line and get itover with quickly |
| 02:24.34 | stew | chron: you said you have the cd |
| 02:24.43 | vin` | chron: did you get CD1? |
| 02:24.46 | chron | the packages aren't on the cd |
| 02:24.48 | chron | that i need |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | Ronin: not everyone lives in canada where internet is plentiful! |
| 02:25.06 | stew | chron: which packages? |
| 02:25.10 | chron | like tor |
| 02:25.13 | chron | privoxy |
| 02:25.22 | stew | chron: you need those before you can network the machine? |
| 02:25.38 | chron | yes |
| 02:25.41 | Ronin | paronia will destroy ya..... |
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| 02:27.24 | chron | so is that the easiest way to do it? |
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| 02:27.39 | chron | fetching the packages and all the deps, then dpkg -i? |
| 02:27.48 | stew | chron: that's going to be a pain, there is no official tor package for sarge, you are going to have to get it and maybe some backported dependencies, by hand, from backports.org |
| 02:28.02 | dvs | chron: without a network conection or CDs, yes |
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| 02:28.09 | chron | alright |
| 02:28.19 | Ronin | so the machine cant go onlin with out tor and privoxy? hate to tell you this chron but then dont care where you surf or what you read for teh most part :) |
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| 02:28.34 | Stevie | chron: No USB? |
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| 02:28.59 | chron | i have usb |
| 02:29.06 | stew | chron: do you have another networked debian machine there? |
| 02:29.07 | chron | so it woon't be too hard |
| 02:29.11 | Stevie | You could copy the packages via USB |
| 02:29.14 | chron | no i don't |
| 02:29.15 | dvs | chron: can you boot from USB? |
| 02:29.19 | chron | if i did, what's the advantage? |
| 02:29.25 | chron | yea i probably can |
| 02:29.30 | chron | but i don't have the software on this usb |
| 02:29.46 | cored | is there a pre compiled package for mplayer |
| 02:29.55 | cored | can somebody give me the url for it ? |
| 02:30.04 | dvs | !tell cored about marillat |
| 02:30.06 | cored | i found one but i don't think its working |
| 02:30.11 | rockstar_ | cored: There is from the nerim.net apt source. |
| 02:30.24 | cored | rockstar_: thanks |
| 02:30.32 | cored | dvst: you too |
| 02:30.38 | stew | chron: if you had another networked debian machine you could use it to do the tor or whatever and have it run apt-proxy |
| 02:30.44 | rockstar_ | cored: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
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| 02:30.57 | chron | i see |
| 02:31.06 | rockstar_ | Of course, change sid to your distro of source. |
| 02:31.13 | stew | rockstar_: no |
| 02:31.16 | magyar | udev (0.090-1) unstable; urgency=low " |
| 02:31.16 | magyar | to |
| 02:31.16 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.17 | chron | well i'd rather do it single machine anyways, so i don't have to depend on the other computer as much |
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| 02:31.25 | stew | rockstar_: oh i read that as change your distro to sid |
| 02:31.27 | magyar | now that is gold |
| 02:31.31 | chron | i'm gonna make a cd that i can keep using, when i get all the dependencies |
| 02:31.32 | henrique | irc.undernet.com |
| 02:31.34 | L3go | hi |
| 02:31.36 | henrique | ops |
| 02:31.39 | chron | well i guess i'm gonna have to do some finding and downloading |
| 02:31.54 | rockstar_ | Oh no, I meant change that part to which version of Debian... --:o) |
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| 02:32.29 | Stevie | chron: I'm a bit confused, by the way |
| 02:32.39 | Stevie | You're online now, aren't you? |
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| 02:33.14 | stew | Stevie: he's debootstrapping another debian install which isn't yet networked |
| 02:33.27 | Stevie | that's chrooted. |
| 02:33.39 | stew | yes |
| 02:33.45 | rockstar_ | I'm in that same boat right now, install of Debian with no network support currently. Freakin' nforce... |
| 02:34.01 | stew | rockstar_: have you tried the forcedeth module? |
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| 02:34.41 | rockstar_ | stew: I'm about to actually. Reinstalling for amd64 though. |
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| 02:34.59 | rockstar_ | I usually do a netinst, but that obviously won't work in this situation. |
| 02:35.09 | stew | rockstar_: why not? |
| 02:35.09 | Stevie | I'm not sure why the chroot+debootstrap method is required |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | Ronin: paranoia |
| 02:35.21 | Ronin | abrotman: most certainly |
| 02:35.42 | magyar | there is a wonderful change in udev package -snip "to make the interface name persistent across reboots." Now if that would be possible for sata drives. |
| 02:35.44 | stew | Stevie: i don't think the host that he debootstrapped was running debian |
| 02:35.49 | rockstar_ | Because the netinst didn't have support for the forcedeth that I could find. If you know how I can get it on, I will have your children. |
| 02:35.56 | Stevie | but just boot from cd/usb/whatever |
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| 02:36.15 | chron | i did a very abnormal debian set up |
| 02:36.19 | stew | Stevie: what difference would that make? |
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| 02:36.39 | chron | i know it sounds funny, but it's very useful |
| 02:36.56 | abrotman | Ronin: it's probably a little to the left |
| 02:36.59 | chron | it's sanitary, secure and the system is anonymized, except for writing to ram |
| 02:37.04 | chron | it's like a livecd, but not |
| 02:37.05 | cmatheson | i just set up the userdir module, and so i'm trying to symlink a bunch of files my $HOME into the public_html/ so that i can share them w/ friends, but the symlinks just don't show up... FollowSymlinks Option is set though--why would that be? |
| 02:37.13 | chron | binaries on harddisk, temporary files all flushed |
| 02:37.15 | Ronin | abrotman: up and to the left to be precise |
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| 02:37.26 | forcer | Hello everyone. Debfoster told me it is deprecated now, because aptitude does its job now. So I installed aptitude and tried to find out how to use it for debfoster's job, but couldn't find the option - what did I miss? |
| 02:37.27 | chron | bbl, fetching pkg's |
| 02:37.36 | Stevie | stew: Well, we wouldn't be having the debootstrap mess |
| 02:37.54 | abrotman | Ronin: you have .. stairs?!?! |
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| 02:38.07 | rockstar_ | stew: Do you know how I can load forcedeth on netinst? I see it finds an eth0 and eth1, but then can't get an address from DHCP. |
| 02:38.13 | abrotman | forcer: reading the manual? :) |
| 02:38.24 | stew | rockstar_: "modprobe forcedeth" is all i needed to do |
| 02:38.40 | stew | rockstar_: then try "dhclient forcedeth" |
| 02:38.42 | stew | err |
| 02:38.46 | stew | dhclient eth0 |
| 02:38.48 | stew | or whatever |
| 02:38.57 | forcer | abrotman: I skimmed the man page, it didn't tell me anything. Any words I should be searching for? |
| 02:39.10 | rockstar_ | Where do I need to do it at? I couldn't get another terminal off of... |
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| 02:39.21 | jeffrey^ | hi |
| 02:39.36 | vin` | forcer: hit F10, options, the last one. |
| 02:39.50 | stew | rockstar_: hit ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a console, then run "modprobe forcedeth" then hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get back to the installer and have it try "automatic configuration again" or whatever |
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| 02:40.05 | forcer | vin`: "Revert options"? |
| 02:40.31 | stew | forcer: aptitude keeps track of which packages you asked it to install explicitly vs. which ones were installed automatically via dependencies |
| 02:40.33 | rockstar_ | stew: Tried that with the weeklyl build and it wasn't working. I think my weekly build is a few weeks old. Downloading the newest version. Wonder if maybe there was just a bug. I thought maybe they took out the functionality. |
| 02:40.51 | forcer | I install lots of packages to test them with apt-get install. |
| 02:40.52 | vin` | forcer: sorry, options -> dependendency handling, last one. |
| 02:40.53 | stew | rockstar_: i did it on an nforce4 board with the sarge installer, iirc |
| 02:41.10 | rockstar_ | stew: I'm going in for the kill, new install! |
| 02:41.18 | forcer | vin`: That's marked. |
| 02:41.36 | rockstar_ | stew: Should I rmmod though? I guess i could just lsmod and see if something is getting in the way. |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | forcer: have you used aptitude to install the packages? |
| 02:41.46 | forcer | stew: Can't I have it ask me specific questions about which packages I want to keep like debfoster did? |
| 02:41.55 | forcer | abrotman: No. |
| 02:42.01 | forcer | abrotman: Never used aptitude before. |
| 02:42.01 | vin` | forcer: then you're all set, let it do it's thing. |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | forcer: that's why it's not working |
| 02:42.06 | stew | forcer: so when you remove a package, the dependencies that are no longer needed will be removed if you use aptitude all the time, you shouldn't end up with orphans, but if you don't use aptitude all the time, you will need to tell aptitude which ones are auto installed or not |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | doesn't that feature require that you've installed the pacakges with aptitude ? |
| 02:42.21 | cored | :-( |
| 02:42.38 | rockstar_ | abrotman: Yes, it certainly does. |
| 02:42.41 | cored | why Xorg is trying to use framebuffer if i just set it to use my video card driver |
| 02:42.44 | cored | i don't get it |
| 02:42.45 | stew | abrotman: or marked them as auto or not auto, it would be nice imho if apt-get would mark the packages for you |
| 02:42.56 | rockstar_ | cored: Xorg 7 from unstable? |
| 02:42.58 | abrotman | stew: file bugs! |
| 02:43.07 | stew | abrotman: i might |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | stew: wait .. i'll write a pygtk app to file bugs! |
| 02:43.12 | gravity | cored: Can you put your xorg.conf in a paster? |
| 02:43.19 | cored | rockstar_: yes from unstable |
| 02:43.27 | cored | gravity: will try im on console mode |
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| 02:43.35 | Nopali1 | hi |
| 02:43.44 | forcer | debfoster kept a list of packages I really wanted to keep installed. When I ran it, I could decide for every package not on that list whether I want it to remain installed or not. It didn't mark every package I installed as a requested install. |
| 02:43.45 | Nopali1 | anybody has intalled xgl? |
| 02:43.47 | rockstar_ | Yeah, I don't know. I'm stuck with testing on all my systems because Xorg 7 hosed my fglrx driver. |
| 02:43.48 | forcer | aptitude can't do that? |
| 02:43.59 | stew | cored: install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; then hit enter in the box and it will launch editor |
| 02:44.02 | abrotman | Nopali1: no xgl in debian yet |
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| 02:44.21 | cored | stew: let me try |
| 02:44.36 | gravity | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#whataboutxgl |
| 02:44.36 | rockstar_ | abrotman: Isn't it in unstable? |
| 02:44.39 | cored | a lot of packages around here i already had links |
| 02:44.39 | Nopali1 | abrotman: ok |
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| 02:44.46 | abrotman | Nopali1: see the link gravity just gave |
| 02:44.55 | stew | !debwiki Nopali1 Xgl |
| 02:44.56 | dpkg | Nopali1: http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 02:44.58 | forcer | So when debfoster is removed from the archive, I'm back to deborphan. |
| 02:44.59 | forcer | Oh well. |
| 02:45.42 | forcer | Everything for progress. |
| 02:45.54 | vin` | forcer: aptitude will give you the option of de-selecting from the removable list as well, if you keep using aptitude it'll just work, works for me, haven't used debfoster in ages. |
| 02:45.59 | Stevie | I love SVU |
| 02:46.03 | abrotman | forcer: apparently you're supposed to be using aptitude |
| 02:46.04 | Stevie | IP address: 3098.41.60.5 |
| 02:46.13 | forcer | abrotman: But why? |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | forcer: it's the wave of the future! |
| 02:46.29 | forcer | vin`: Not everything I install is meant to be kept installed. |
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| 02:47.35 | liable | gravity: i am getting neverball only occupying half the window (half of the neverball screen) and the other half is black, before i file a bug for neverball, you dont happen to know if its a known bug in xorg? |
| 02:47.38 | forcer | Can aptitude use a useful query/reply interface like debfoster does? |
| 02:47.57 | stew | forcer: make a script that does "aptitude install foo && aptitude markauto foo" maybe? |
| 02:48.08 | rockstar_ | Anyone in here very experience with dual monitor support? |
| 02:48.30 | stew | rockstar_: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 02:48.42 | abrotman | i can hold up two at the same time |
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| 02:48.58 | liable | debfoster is being removed? |
| 02:49.02 | forcer | stew: Hm. |
| 02:49.18 | rockstar_ | stew: Well, I have some questions, but nothing I can't figure out myself. Just wanted to know if someone had done it before, maybe I could bounce some ideas off of them. |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | liable: deprecated .. of course .. things still packaged in debian were deprecated like 5 years ago :) |
| 02:49.32 | liable | heh |
| 02:49.33 | stew | rockstar_: many of us have, just start with the questions |
| 02:50.13 | Stevie | hrm |
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| 02:50.25 | abrotman | liable: like iproute .. |
| 02:50.30 | forcer | stew: Good idea, thanks :-) |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | erm .. iproute was supposed to replace route/ifconfig |
| 02:50.50 | stew | iproute rulez |
| 02:50.57 | rockstar_ | Well, I want to use just one monitor, but have the other one connected to my LCD TV/Monitor and feed all my mplayer feed to it. |
| 02:51.16 | rockstar_ | Don't really need drag and drop windows, just when I run mplayer, to output to the TV via the DVI out. |
| 02:51.20 | forcer | Ok. I decided to use aptitude now. How do I get it to ask me about packages I do want to keep installed? Just a list of packages, preferably the way debfoster gave you whole groups of packages? |
| 02:52.01 | vin` | forcer: http://www.fruit.je/debfoster/ (there's a conversion script there, perhaps take a look, unofficial, YMMV) |
| 02:52.11 | liable | forcer: aptitude doesnt do that. it just keeps a list of automatically installed packages, so if you remove the parent, it removes them. |
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| 02:52.29 | forcer | But... |
| 02:52.30 | forcer | But.. |
| 02:52.43 | Stevie | hey abrotman |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:52.57 | forcer | I want the tools to help me keep the system clean by asking me whether I really need the packages that are installed right now. |
| 02:53.05 | forcer | That's not the goal of aptitude? |
| 02:53.10 | liable | no |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | mmm .. rain for five days |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | Stevie: that means you too! |
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| 02:53.28 | forcer | Too bad. |
| 02:53.29 | Stevie | it means me too? |
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| 02:53.34 | forcer | Thanks everyone, sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 02:53.40 | Stevie | What means me too? |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | Stevie: rain |
| 02:53.48 | Stevie | Wait, where are you? |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | philly .. silly Terpin! :) |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | that was someone else in MD .. you're in PA too :) |
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| 02:54.29 | stew | forcer: with aptitude, you can hit ctrl-t to get to the menu, then from the actions menu hit p to play minesweeper |
| 02:54.31 | Stevie | Yeah, I am :) |
| 02:54.37 | Stevie | Which, of course, means I am still getting the rain. |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | Stevie: but you're in York! |
| 02:54.44 | Stevie | No I'm not |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | everyone is! |
| 02:54.50 | Stevie | I don't even know where York is |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | you're aimish! |
| 02:54.57 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 02:54.59 | vin` | stew: ok, I'm sold. ;) |
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| 02:55.01 | Stevie | You've met someone like that too? |
| 02:55.14 | Stevie | I've only met one person like that, but it was really funny |
| 02:55.16 | abrotman | Stevie: where i grew up .. we had amish families |
| 02:55.42 | forcer | stew: Is that supposed to be funny? |
| 02:55.52 | stew | forcer: well yeah it was |
| 02:55.53 | Stevie | abrotman: The Mall will be pretty empty for the next few days then, if it'll be raining :) |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | Stevie: which mall? the national mall ? |
| 02:56.14 | Stevie | KoP |
| 02:56.16 | cored | Stevie: |
| 02:56.18 | cored | stew: |
| 02:56.28 | Stevie | quick, name someone else who starts with ste |
| 02:56.29 | cored | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2515 |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | Stevie: how the hell do you know about the KoP mall and not know where york is ? |
| 02:56.32 | cored | there you go |
| 02:56.38 | Stevie | abrotman: I live in KoP |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | Stevie: dude .. how can you not know where york is |
| 02:56.59 | Stevie | Never had to drive there :) |
| 02:57.11 | forcer | stew: Sorry for not being in the mood to appreciate it :-/ |
| 02:57.12 | abrotman | i sent you first! |
| 02:57.25 | cored | gravity: did you check the post from my xorg ? |
| 02:57.48 | gravity | cored: No, you didn't nick highlite me. I'm looking now |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | Stevie: i work in KoP |
| 02:58.16 | gravity | cored: Could you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log too? |
| 02:58.25 | Stevie | abrotman: Really? We should meet at the Mall for lunch sometime |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | Stevie: aren't you in high school? |
| 02:58.39 | Stevie | ... no |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | who was the kid from MD in high school .. tortel ? |
| 02:58.50 | Stevie | I don't know, but I'm not him :) |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:59.04 | Stevie | I work in KoP too (well, technically Wayne, but it's right on the border) |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | did you drop out of high school ? |
| 02:59.08 | Stevie | Nope |
| 02:59.11 | Stevie | Dropped outta college tho |
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| 02:59.16 | cored | gravity: ok |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | hhee .. tomorrow i'm going to a client in malvern .. |
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| 02:59.48 | Stevie | not Mars, is it? |
| 02:59.52 | Stevie | MEI? |
| 02:59.54 | abrotman | no .. earth |
| 02:59.56 | Angels2 | Shrug... i have an 3ware controller installed, which gets detected AFTER fstab is being parsed and the /dev/sda (3ware hdd) is trying to be mounted... any idea how to solve this? |
| 02:59.59 | Stevie | heh |
| 03:00.04 | Stevie | Mars Electronics |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | no .. that's not it |
| 03:00.17 | rockstar_ | stew: Still having the same problem. netinst detects eth0 and eth1 even though there's only one interface, forcedeth was already installed, but it wouldn't obtain in ip address from the DHCP server. |
| 03:00.21 | Stevie | our hardware engineer just left us to go work there, because it's in Malvern and closer to where he lives |
| 03:00.23 | liable | Angels2: put the module for it in /etc/modules |
| 03:00.25 | shogunx | gravity i found a solution on the xfs-xtt issue. the upgrade just removes it. were it to replace with xfstt and ttf-bitstream-vera packages, it would drop-in replace with no functionality loss, with the exception that its using 7101tcp instead of 7110tcp now. |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | nice |
| 03:00.38 | Stevie | not for us! |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:00.50 | stew | rockstar_: can you manually configure it maybe? |
| 03:00.51 | rockstar_ | I've never done AMD64 before, or done anything with nVidia. |
| 03:00.57 | gravity | shogunx: Ah, ok |
| 03:01.00 | rockstar_ | Tried that as well, to no avail. |
| 03:01.10 | Angels2 | liable: could be a solution, yes ... i give it a try :) |
| 03:01.21 | stew | rockstar_: you are trying to install sarge or etch? |
| 03:01.25 | cored | gravity http://channels.debian.net/paste/2516 |
| 03:01.44 | liable | Angels2: hotplug is called after mountall, so.. take a look at rcS.d |
| 03:01.47 | Stevie | Okay, it looks like York is way way further west than I've ever gone |
| 03:01.49 | rockstar_ | stew: Tried both, neither worked, with the default linux from lilo. I think it's a 2.4 kernel. |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 03:02.06 | Angels2 | liable: ah thanks.. didnt know that |
| 03:02.07 | stew | rockstar_: you might try a 2.6.15 sarge installer |
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| 03:02.11 | Stevie | haha |
| 03:02.21 | litage | why would alien say "You must specify a file to convert" even though i told it which file to convert?: /bin/su -c /usr/bin/alien -- --to-deb --scripts --keep-version /home/nick/scopserv/scopserv-server/latest/scopserv-server-1.1.2-7.noarch.rpm |
| 03:02.24 | rockstar_ | stew: Tried that as well. |
| 03:02.26 | Stevie | anyway... F&H... what's F&H? |
| 03:02.28 | gravity | cored: Uh... the X server can't find /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:02.29 | stew | rockstar_: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm ? |
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| 03:02.50 | abrotman | Fox & Hound |
| 03:02.50 | Stevie | oh |
| 03:02.50 | Stevie | no |
| 03:02.52 | gravity | hrm... 'xorg.conf.new'? |
| 03:02.54 | liable | guiness? |
| 03:02.54 | stew | rockstar_: do you have some other ethernet card sitting around that you could use just for the install? |
| 03:02.58 | Stevie | I used to eat there with my family when it was American Bandstand |
| 03:03.00 | gayanasa | any user help me linux |
| 03:03.05 | abrotman | litage: what's the -- for ? |
| 03:03.15 | rockstar_ | stew: Not really. Just moved, threw out all my old junk. |
| 03:03.22 | rockstar_ | Simplified my life to only 7 systems... |
| 03:03.29 | abrotman | litage: and don't you need a user ? |
| 03:03.31 | Stevie | only 7? how can you survive? |
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| 03:03.44 | stew | rockstar_: one of those 7 systems must have an ethernet card that can be borrowed for a few hours |
| 03:03.48 | Stevie | abrotman: default user is root; -- tells su that the rest of the args belong to the program to be run |
| 03:03.50 | litage | abrotman: su uses the -- to differentiate between the command to execute and the command's args |
| 03:03.53 | stew | gayanasa: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 03:03.54 | rockstar_ | stew: All onboard... |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | Stevie: i know the default is root |
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| 03:04.10 | Stevie | oh, anyway, the thing I was gonna ask you before |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | Stevie: but i don't think you have to operate alien as root |
| 03:04.19 | gayanasa | ubuntu |
| 03:04.21 | Stevie | apt-cache depends libssl0.9.8 |
| 03:04.22 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:04.23 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 03:04.25 | gravity | gayanasa: Ask in #ubuntu please |
| 03:04.42 | Stevie | gives me some strange output |
| 03:04.46 | abrotman | litage: i know what it normally does .. but .. i'm not sure you need it there |
| 03:04.49 | Stevie | with |s and <>s and stuff |
| 03:05.03 | litage | abrotman: you do, otherwise converted files can't necessarily be given the proper ownership or permissions |
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| 03:05.57 | cored | gravity: ok, i notice that now |
| 03:06.01 | cored | gravity: but why do you think is that ? |
| 03:06.43 | gravity | cored: I don't know. Wrong permissions? That's really weird... it's not even looking for the right file. |
| 03:06.58 | gravity | cored: Did you custom build your server or anything like that? install proprietary drivers? |
| 03:07.16 | gravity | It's totally looking for the wrong file |
| 03:07.39 | cored | gravity: nop |
| 03:07.41 | liable | stew: whats the automounting package? |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | litage: well darn it .. it should work :) |
| 03:07.45 | cored | gravity: i just did X -configure |
| 03:07.50 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:07.55 | abrotman | liable: ivman ? |
| 03:07.55 | cored | gravity: and then X -config ~/xorg.conf.new |
| 03:07.56 | gayanasa | help me lilnux code |
| 03:08.00 | liable | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:08.06 | gravity | gayanasa: #ubuntu |
| 03:08.07 | abrotman | gayanasa: /join #ubuntu |
| 03:08.16 | gayanasa | how |
| 03:08.38 | litage | abrotman: i agree. but it doesn't. ah well, i'll just remove the -- and wrap the whole alien command, including args, in single-quotes |
| 03:09.00 | abrotman | litage: oh .. i guess that's how i always got around the -- .. i used backticks probably |
| 03:09.00 | gayanasa | i m install ubuntu |
| 03:09.09 | gravity | gayanasa: You're in the wrong channel |
| 03:09.15 | litage | abrotman: backticks or single-quotes? |
| 03:09.17 | gayanasa | why |
| 03:09.20 | liable | gayanasa: in your irc client, type, /j #ubuntu |
| 03:09.20 | gravity | gayanasa: This is not an ubuntu discussion channel. You need to go where people can help you |
| 03:09.25 | abrotman | litage: ` .. i think |
| 03:09.30 | gravity | gayanasa: Because this is a Debian channel. Not an Ubuntu channel. |
| 03:09.35 | Stevie | abrotman: probably ' |
| 03:09.41 | abrotman | no way~ |
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| 03:09.55 | abrotman | no .i honestly can't remember |
| 03:10.01 | gravity | cored: Ah... that explains it |
| 03:10.04 | Stevie | hehe |
| 03:10.05 | liable | ftp.debian.org been playing up for people lately? |
| 03:10.06 | cored | gravity: ? |
| 03:10.09 | Stevie | so anyway |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | last time i was doing a ton of su -c stuff .. was on solaris .. ewwww |
| 03:10.23 | cored | gravity: what's explains it ? |
| 03:10.39 | abrotman | liable: screwed up sync last night |
| 03:10.39 | gravity | cored: Remove ~/xorg.conf.new if it's still there. Then just run X -configure normally like you did |
| 03:10.39 | Stevie | when I do 'apt-cache depends libssl0.9.8', I get a bunch of lines with |s and <>s in weird places. |
| 03:10.39 | gravity | I have no idea what X -configure does, but it sounds bad |
| 03:10.39 | cored | gravity: ok |
| 03:10.40 | liable | abrotman: oh |
| 03:10.41 | abrotman | Stevie: | is or |
| 03:10.43 | gravity | If it makes the server look in the wrong place |
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| 03:10.51 | Stevie | |Depends: debconf |
| 03:11.00 | abrotman | Stevie: what package? |
| 03:11.02 | Stevie | or what? |
| 03:11.11 | Stevie | libssl0.9.8, as I have said three times before ;) |
| 03:11.12 | cored | gravity: and now what ? |
| 03:11.29 | litage | when i use alien to convert an RPM to a DEB, the DEB it produces is owned by root:root and is mode 0644. however, non-root users can mv and rm the DEB. how can that be? |
| 03:11.31 | gravity | cored: Give it a try and see if the server can find your config file now |
| 03:11.33 | abrotman | i thought | was "or" |
| 03:11.53 | abrotman | Stevie: wait .. i was right http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libssl0.9.8 |
| 03:11.55 | Stevie | yeah, debconf "or" *what* ? it only lists one thing |
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| 03:12.10 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Stop slacking you lazy bum!! |
| 03:12.11 | bbrazil | litage: they have write permissions on the directory |
| 03:12.13 | abrotman | no crap |
| 03:12.18 | Stevie | lol |
| 03:12.26 | Stevie | it's only 11pm |
| 03:12.37 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.37 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.38 | abrotman | like that? |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | Stevie: i was up at like 530 :) |
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| 03:13.41 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's all my fault! |
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| 03:13.52 | cored | gravity: unable to locate open config file again |
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| 03:14.32 | gravity | cored: Is it still looking for xorg.conf.new? |
| 03:15.00 | Stevie | meh :P nite abrotman |
| 03:15.01 | litage | bbrazil: that shouldn't matter. user 'bob' shouldn't be able to rename or delete this file: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1465672 2006-05-10 13:08 scopserv-server_1.1.2-7_all.alien.deb |
| 03:15.14 | Stevie | litage: Unless bob owns the dir it's in |
| 03:15.21 | Stevie | or, more precisely, has w access |
| 03:15.25 | bbrazil | litage: that depends. ls -ld |
| 03:15.31 | cored | gravity: nop i just did X |
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| 03:15.42 | bbrazil | Stevie: unless bob doesn't own the dir and it's sticky |
| 03:15.45 | cored | gravity: if i put X -config its try to look for the file but its drops the same error |
| 03:16.09 | gravity | cored: You just do "X -config", not "X -config ~/xorg.conf.new" |
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| 03:16.22 | cored | gravity: i did the second one |
| 03:16.26 | cored | gravity: let me try with the first |
| 03:16.35 | gravity | Why don't you try and do what I'm actually telling you? |
| 03:16.43 | litage | bbrazil, Stevie: why does it matter if user 'bob' owns the dir the file is located in? |
| 03:16.46 | cored | gravity: i mean i can't do the frist one |
| 03:16.52 | cored | gravity: because its need an extra parameter |
| 03:17.00 | bbrazil | litage: deleting a file is changing the directory, not the file |
| 03:17.08 | cored | gravity: well i tried both things |
| 03:17.12 | cored | gravity: none worked |
| 03:18.08 | gravity | cored: "Xorg -configure" should work without any other parameters |
| 03:18.35 | cored | gravity: i did that |
| 03:18.40 | gravity | cored: And what happened? |
| 03:18.41 | cored | gravity: its generated an xorg.conf.new file |
| 03:18.46 | litage | bbrazil: wow hahah i never realized that |
| 03:18.49 | cored | gravity: and then i did X -config xorg.new.file |
| 03:18.56 | litage | :P thanks bbrazil and Stevie |
| 03:18.58 | cored | gravity: and i get the cannot open file an dthe framebuffer thing again |
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| 03:19.09 | dragonfly | hi all |
| 03:19.23 | gravity | cored: Well the framebuffer problem is due to not having read the config file |
| 03:19.34 | gravity | cored: So you need to solve your config file problem |
| 03:20.23 | gravity | cored: Ok, so it generates the xorg.conf.new. I recommend moving it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then just running startx |
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| 03:21.48 | cored | gravity: ok |
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| 03:22.37 | gravity | Now I see what you were trying to do. I never use the -config(ure) switches in Xorg, so I don't know them offhand |
| 03:22.44 | gravity | I'll be looking at them soon enough though I guess |
| 03:23.07 | cored | gravity: yeap it worked, thanks |
| 03:23.17 | dragonfly | i'm looking at putting a computer together for someone using an AMD Athlon 64, as etch is not out yet, would I be better off to use the x86 version of sarge or the 64 bit version from http://amd64.debian.net/ |
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| 03:23.38 | gravity | cored: No problem |
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| 03:27.39 | mikeg | hi. all. I have a question. when I run X, i press CTrl + alt + F2, and switch the console, the X will restart. why? |
| 03:28.02 | mikeg | and how will i deal with it? |
| 03:28.04 | mikeg | Thanks. |
| 03:28.22 | gravity | mikeg: Does this happen no matter what's going on, or only at certain times? |
| 03:29.46 | mikeg | gravity. yes . this happen no matter . |
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| 03:30.23 | mikeg | if only i press the key, ctrl+alt+f2, or f1, fn, (not f7), X will restart |
| 03:30.37 | gravity | mikeg: Ok, so this sounds like a bug in the X server. You can submit a bug against xserver-xorg if you like (severity: important) but I can't guarantee that it'll get fixed any time soon. |
| 03:30.48 | gravity | mikeg: A backtrace might help |
| 03:31.42 | gravity | grrr... focus follows mouse just got screwed up somehow |
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| 03:32.26 | mikeg | en. i am try find something occour this error. and if it is a bug , i will submit the bug to X |
| 03:32.29 | mikeg | thanks. |
| 03:32.44 | gravity | No problem |
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| 03:36.19 | carlb | how do I get rid of the files downloaded by apt-get... need to reduce the size of a custom distribution I created (pretty new to debian) |
| 03:37.16 | stew | carlb: apt-get clean |
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| 03:42.36 | liable | why do people make xml config files?? |
| 03:42.58 | Stevie | to piss us off |
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| 03:43.29 | Stevie | actually, xml is very flexible and thus is a sane config format *if* the program needs an xml parser for some other purpose |
| 03:43.37 | Salieri_br | hi |
| 03:43.42 | Stevie | case in point, firefox |
| 03:43.56 | Salieri_br | somebody wanna talk?? |
| 03:43.59 | Stevie | For just about anything else, it's totally overkill and just bloats the app |
| 03:44.08 | Stevie | Yeah, somebody wants to talk, but he left |
| 03:44.17 | Salieri_br | nice |
| 03:44.28 | Salieri_br | where do live? |
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| 03:47.09 | hendry | where does one start to figure out how to print to a networked printer from firefox? |
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| 03:51.49 | Ugly_Duck | without installing fonts willy nilly, whats a group of fonts i should install on my system? there are tonnes listed |
| 03:52.03 | gravity | Ugly_Duck: xfonts-base |
| 03:52.27 | Ugly_Duck | gravity: will check that, thanks |
| 03:52.44 | Ugly_Duck | already installed |
| 03:52.57 | Ugly_Duck | i mean, i wana have courier-new etc on my system |
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| 03:53.12 | Ugly_Duck | and other fonts, just not sure what packages to install i guess |
| 03:53.30 | Nopali1 | any one knows how configure ati on xorg 7? |
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| 03:54.17 | grendal_prime | ok if this aint the nuttyest thing ive ever seen |
| 03:54.29 | grendal_prime | internet here is all fucked up accept for irc? |
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| 03:56.25 | grendal_prime | does that make any sence? |
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| 03:57.36 | dragonfly | i need some recommendations and suggestions, i'm thinking about building a computer for someone with an athlon 64 processor and sata hard drive and install debian on it? this all should work good or not? will i be able to take advantage of the capabilities of the hardware? |
| 03:57.39 | Juzzy- | is there a way to search for packages via command line? like mod_* for example |
| 03:57.55 | bbrazil | Juzzy-: apt-cache search term |
| 03:58.01 | Juzzy- | ah excellent, thx |
| 03:58.07 | dragonfly | Juzzy- apt-cache search <what you're looking for> |
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| 03:58.24 | dragonfly | lol, same thoughts bbrazil |
| 03:58.26 | grendal_prime | whats the juzzy- switch for? |
| 03:58.29 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 03:58.31 | grendal_prime | im kidding |
| 03:58.49 | bbrazil | grendal_prime: it's a option to tac |
| 03:59.22 | Juzzy- | dragonfly, I have debian x86 installed on my dual opty box b/c I couldnt find a whole lot of info on amd64 based installs and packages |
| 03:59.26 | grendal_prime | i dont even want to know.. |
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| 03:59.45 | grendal_prime | seems theres a prepackaged kernel for amd64 isnt there? |
| 03:59.51 | scorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.53 | Juzzy- | though that doesnt mean a whole lot, being I'm a 100% deb newb |
| 03:59.54 | dragonfly | Juzzy-: you have sata hd? |
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| 04:00.20 | Juzzy- | nope, fuji 15k u360 scsi on mylex raid ;) |
| 04:00.28 | Juzzy- | erm u320 |
| 04:00.36 | grendal_prime | i have seen reference made about applications not working ..or needing porting to 64 so i think its a different beast |
| 04:00.41 | dragonfly | grendal_prime: i've found a link for an amd64 version, but does that still use all the other "generic" debian stuff? |
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| 04:01.03 | wendell3_ | Hey guys how long does a RAID array usually take to fully set itself up when you first create it? |
| 04:01.06 | wendell3_ | (softwarE) |
| 04:01.25 | wendell3_ | I used mdadm if it is of any consequence... :) |
| 04:01.39 | grendal_prime | i would hope not long |
| 04:01.49 | wendell3_ | My CPU has been grinding for about 5 hours now... It's a RAID-5 array of 4x 300GB drives |
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| 04:02.06 | grendal_prime | seeing as the purpose of the raid |
| 04:02.07 | Juzzy- | I would think it'd dependond on how fast your IO was and the size of used space :) |
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| 04:02.13 | bbrazil | hardware raid5 on 4x250gb took me 3 days |
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| 04:02.19 | victori | is there a debian i686 branch yet? |
| 04:02.24 | wendell3_ | bbrazil: Christ. :-) |
| 04:02.28 | grendal_prime | noshit?? |
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| 04:02.41 | shogunx | bbrazil what controller was that? |
| 04:02.41 | Juzzy- | haha wtf, 400gb raid5 took me like 2 hours :| |
| 04:02.42 | chron | are orig.tar.gz supported by pkg -i ? |
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| 04:02.45 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: there's 2.6.15 based installers out there that work just fine |
| 04:02.46 | wendell3_ | What happens if the power accidentally goes off while this is happening? Can it pick up where it left off? |
| 04:02.50 | grendal_prime | hardly seems usable |
| 04:02.58 | victori | hmm well is there? |
| 04:03.16 | wendell3_ | Juzzy-: Software? |
| 04:03.23 | bbrazil | shogunx: some dell one |
| 04:03.32 | wendell3_ | And why is it that I can already write to the partition when the thing isn't even finished setting up yet? |
| 04:03.33 | CompWizrd | 4 TB array took.. i think it was 4 hours to build, but that was hardware on a 3ware 9550SX-16 |
| 04:03.34 | shogunx | wendell3_ i think thats why dec put batteries in the disk cache and raid controllers. |
| 04:03.42 | bbrazil | wendell3_: should be able to |
| 04:04.16 | Juzzy- | wendell3_: nah a $1500 mylex controller :| |
| 04:04.19 | wendell3_ | That's good -- because it's eating up 50% of my CPU the whole time this thing is setting up. :-) |
| 04:04.23 | grendal_prime | man this is making me crazy...nothing on the network works...accept irc. |
| 04:04.29 | bbrazil | wendell3_: you can tune that |
| 04:04.33 | shogunx | Juzzy-'s mylex dac960 is no joke... i've had several of those. its quick, cause it has its own processor and memory to do it with. |
| 04:04.34 | dragonfly | CompWizrd: the 2.6.15 will work good for SATA, Athlon 64, or both? |
| 04:04.35 | grendal_prime | am i crazy thinking that is a bit strange? |
| 04:04.35 | CompWizrd | wendell3_: /proc/mdstat _should_ say the rebuild speed |
| 04:04.45 | wendell3_ | CompWizrd: Awesome, thank you |
| 04:04.56 | Juzzy- | shogunx: yea man, slap some 15k drives on it, and it's smoking |
| 04:05.03 | victori | did debian ever release an i686 branch? |
| 04:05.04 | liable | grendal_prime: all you can do is irc? no http no ping? |
| 04:05.11 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: all of those.. i did an install on a dual opteron 265, 3ware 9550SX with 4.2 TB of disks, and various other things, and it worked.. and a sata drive worked when i had that plugged in |
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| 04:05.20 | wendell3_ | CompWizrd: Awesome. It says it will be done in 171 minutes |
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| 04:05.40 | CompWizrd | the machine now boots off a 16 meg CF card though, can't boot off a GPT partitioned hard drive yet |
| 04:05.48 | wendell3_ | So it's true that with software RAID-5 I can actually throw another drive in there of any random size and it won't waste any of the space? |
| 04:05.54 | CompWizrd | but in your case, your partitions are under 2 TB, so you should be ok |
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| 04:06.07 | shogunx | Juzzy- I wish IBM would have assed up off of some code to operate the serialraid controllers i have... redundant adapters on redundant hosts via redundant paths to the disk array. |
| 04:06.18 | CompWizrd | wendell3_: no, that's linear raid or raid0 |
| 04:06.27 | CompWizrd | raid5 goes by the smallest block size.. smallest hard drive |
| 04:06.58 | CompWizrd | i have a 4x200 gig at home that's actually 4x160, because at one point i had it on a 2x160+2x200 (4x160), and never got around to expanding it |
| 04:06.59 | dragonfly | and the x86 install image will work just fine on an athlon 64 |
| 04:07.15 | Faithful | whats the name for the high pitch sound that south africans make for excitement (or sometimes charging into war)? |
| 04:07.18 | CompWizrd | x86_64 and i386 will both install on an athlon 64 |
| 04:07.24 | CompWizrd | 64 and 32 bit mode, respectively |
| 04:07.33 | CompWizrd | sometimes called amd64 for x86_64 |
| 04:07.43 | wendell3_ | CompWizrd: So if I slowly upgrade all of the harddrives to say, 500GB drives -- can I expand it for all of them without losing any data? |
| 04:07.52 | CompWizrd | wendell3_: in software raid? not sure |
| 04:07.58 | wendell3_ | Yeah, software. |
| 04:07.59 | Faithful | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.01 | CompWizrd | on some hardware controllers, yes |
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| 04:08.19 | wendell3_ | For some reason I assumed software would be more flexible... |
| 04:08.40 | CompWizrd | not sure != doesn't do it.. i just don't remember, it's been MANY years since i ran software raid |
| 04:08.47 | dragonfly | CompWizrd: can you point me to the X86_64 iso for debian? |
| 04:09.03 | bbrazil | wendell3_: you can sometimes add in a drive, and depending on the hw/sw it might stay raid5 or move towards raid4 |
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| 04:09.36 | beered | I have 'xterm &' in my .xsession file, but when I login no xterm is open. What gives? |
| 04:09.54 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm#writebacks is one of the ones i looked at using.. i used one of his installers to get the 3ware 9550SX to work |
| 04:10.58 | wendell3_ | bbrazil: Interesting. I plan to stick with software for the sake of not having to buy cards and deal with drivers / upgrade issues... |
| 04:11.15 | wendell3_ | bbrazil: I don't need crazy performance, just reliability. |
| 04:11.20 | CompWizrd | 3ware _finally_ came out with a pci-e version of their 9550's |
| 04:11.36 | CompWizrd | a few months after i searched all over for a mb that had pci-x and decent specs |
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| 04:11.47 | CompWizrd | at least the board i ended up with has 3 pci-x slots and 2 full x16 pci-e slots |
| 04:12.43 | Poseiden | exim4-daemon-heavy appears to try to connect to a sophie socket regardless of what av_scanner is set to. Anyone else find this? Have a workaround? I want to use clamav, not sophie. |
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| 04:13.39 | Juzzy- | hrm, is there an openldap package? I see a ton of openldap libs, utils, modules, etc etc, but not the actual daemon |
| 04:13.51 | CompWizrd | slapd |
| 04:14.07 | Juzzy- | ah, ok cool |
| 04:14.29 | dragonfly | CompWizrd: thanks, that looks like it will be just what i need...i hope |
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| 04:15.28 | Juzzy- | why would openldap be named slapd? :p |
| 04:15.58 | beered | I have 'xterm &' in my .xsession file, but when I login no xterm is open. What gives? |
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| 04:16.03 | GaiaX11 | Which packages do I need to verify ortography in abiword? |
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| 04:16.17 | gravity | beered: Is this in unstable? |
| 04:16.28 | beered | gravity: no, its testing. |
| 04:16.39 | GaiaX11 | I installed aspell, but it did not work???!!!?? |
| 04:16.40 | gravity | That's odd |
| 04:16.49 | CompWizrd | Juzzy-: no idea, but it took me a long time to find it the first time :) |
| 04:16.50 | beered | gravity: I know. It drives me nuts. |
| 04:16.52 | Poseiden | Juzzy-: openldap is a set of libraries. |
| 04:16.56 | gravity | beered: Does ~/.xsession-errors say anything? |
| 04:17.10 | Poseiden | Juzzy-: The server commonly used that compiles against those libraries is slapd. |
| 04:17.39 | beered | gravity: yes, some stuff about fluxbox.cat and 'apps file failure' |
| 04:17.44 | Juzzy- | ah i guess that makes more sense then |
| 04:18.10 | gravity | Hrm |
| 04:18.29 | gravity | beered: How are you starting X? |
| 04:18.47 | beered | gravity: the log file is useless. there are no time stamps. I think these logs are very old. I'm starting X with gdm. |
| 04:19.20 | Poseiden | beered: just to check, cat >> something onto the logs. |
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| 04:19.47 | beered | Poseiden: I have to restart the X to check. I'm not sure I want to do that now that I have gravity helping me :) |
| 04:20.03 | Poseiden | beered: heh. cheers. |
| 04:20.27 | beered | Poseiden: cherio. |
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| 04:21.30 | beered | fsck. I'll just restart X. BRB. |
| 04:21.30 | gravity | beered: Do other things in your .xsession get run properly then? |
| 04:22.02 | gravity | beered: Also, what session are you telling gdm to use? |
| 04:22.16 | beered | gravity: not sure I have only two commands. xterm& and exec fluxbox& flux starts ok. |
| 04:22.30 | beered | gravity: ahhh... ya, you are on to something. let me check gdm. |
| 04:22.45 | gravity | beered: You need to make sure gdm is using the default session, not the fluxbox session |
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| 04:23.01 | beered | gravity: darn, you must be a genious! |
| 04:23.11 | gravity | heh, no I've just made all these mistakes before :-) |
| 04:23.20 | gravity | And then some |
| 04:23.31 | beered | gravity: ok. I have gdm config open but I can't find out the session setting. |
| 04:23.43 | kspath | gravity: How does that not make you a genius? |
| 04:23.46 | gravity | beered: It shouldn't be in the gdm config. It's what you select on login |
| 04:23.59 | beered | gravity: gottcha. let me re-login again. |
| 04:24.02 | gravity | beered: It defaults to the last session used |
| 04:24.25 | beered | gravity: yes, I was messing with that least night. you are right. its the session that's screwed up. |
| 04:24.27 | gravity | beered: So you have to explicitly tell it to use the default |
| 04:24.35 | gravity | Great, small problem |
| 04:24.37 | beered | gravity: wilco. brb. |
| 04:24.58 | gravity | I was worried there was something even more screwy in that stuff. I figured it was rock solid by now, even in modular |
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| 04:25.39 | kspath | !beer gravity |
| 04:25.43 | gravity | Awesome |
| 04:25.49 | gravity | Glad that worked out |
| 04:25.54 | beered | gravity: it worked!! :) |
| 04:25.58 | gravity | Like magic |
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| 04:33.41 | beered | Is there a way to disable scroll bar in aterm permanently? |
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| 04:35.31 | kspath | beered: man aterm |
| 04:35.42 | kspath | beered: Are you asking about an atermrc? |
| 04:35.50 | jeffrey^ | Give abusive and anti social pricks like weasel no chance! Vote for Humanity! And spread the word guys, no more anti social morons like Peter Palfrader! |
| 04:36.06 | Phated | ... wth? |
| 04:36.16 | kspath | beered: aterm -rv +sb works for me or better yet wterm -rv +sb |
| 04:36.50 | kspath | jeffrey^: What? |
| 04:37.07 | jeffrey^ | yes! you heard me! spread the word! |
| 04:37.12 | kspath | jeffrey^: Are you aware this is #debian? |
| 04:37.27 | beered | kspath: nah, I'm just trying to figure out how to change font size in aterm. |
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| 04:46.55 | sid | Why doesn't abiword support odf? |
| 04:47.13 | wendell3_ | Should I need to give permissions to a newly mounted device in order for non-root users to be able to write to it? That seems to be what is going on... |
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| 04:47.18 | UdontKnow | sid: because you didnt write the patch yet :) |
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| 04:48.20 | sid | UdontKnow: I thought ODF was easy to implement etc etc |
| 04:48.37 | UdontKnow | sid: so write the patch :) |
| 04:48.42 | sid | UdontKnow: Wasn't that a big advantage of ODF...it's so easy to implement into your software...compared with .doc |
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| 04:52.19 | yetr | is there any way to use my webcam, is there any package? |
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| 04:53.08 | yetr | !webbam |
| 04:53.11 | yetr | !webcam |
| 04:53.11 | dpkg | somebody said webcam was a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
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| 04:56.21 | miracle | hello? |
| 04:57.04 | Gary | that's hello :) |
| 04:57.27 | miracle | :) |
| 04:57.28 | hendry | !print |
| 04:57.28 | dpkg | i heard print is see printer |
| 04:57.32 | hendry | !printer |
| 04:57.32 | dpkg | methinks printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
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| 04:58.49 | miracle | o.o |
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| 04:59.56 | victori | where can I get a base tarball for sid? |
| 05:00.07 | victori | or should I use debootstrap? |
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| 05:01.15 | liable | victori: base tarball??? this isnt gentoo |
| 05:01.23 | victori | doing a chroot 32-bit install |
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| 05:01.46 | liable | victori: go with debootstrap, or you can get an installer kernel if you want to do it that way |
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| 05:02.39 | victori | na I just need a quick chroot install, don't even need a kernel |
| 05:02.39 | Gokee2 | How do I tell where a program is starting from |
| 05:02.44 | victori | just need it for the 32-bit libs |
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| 05:03.07 | Gokee2 | shift is broke on my computer ;/ |
| 05:03.07 | stoned | Gokee2, u mean the parent process or physical program location on disk? |
| 05:03.14 | stoned | you* |
| 05:03.39 | victori | btw sid==unstable correct? just to make sure |
| 05:03.45 | stoned | yes |
| 05:03.59 | Gokee2 | stoned, I mean the place where i could go to start the program if i wanted to without the konsoles help |
| 05:04.17 | Gokee2 | eg in a little open with dilog |
| 05:04.25 | stoned | well |
| 05:04.34 | stoned | dpkg -L pkgname|grep bin |
| 05:04.34 | dpkg | No packages found matching pkgname|grep bin |
| 05:05.02 | stoned | Gokee2, dpkg -L pkgname|grep bin |
| 05:06.04 | stoned | Gokee2, usually user programs reside in /usr/bin |
| 05:06.06 | victori | and out of curiosity how can I get an online repo package count? |
| 05:06.08 | Gokee2 | stoned, hmm |
| 05:06.18 | Gokee2 | intresting |
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| 05:06.22 | Juzzy- | bleh why does deb use vi instead of vim by default? :| |
| 05:06.27 | victori | just want to compare packages against unbuntu |
| 05:06.34 | Juzzy- | thats the vi equiv if "gg" or top of file? :| |
| 05:06.39 | victori | vi is standard on all unixes |
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| 05:06.50 | Gokee2 | stoned, I tried bin |
| 05:07.21 | Gokee2 | gaa the computer i am starting the program from has gentoo |
| 05:07.24 | Gokee2 | grr |
| 05:07.33 | yetr | Juzzy-: then do: export EDITOR="/path/to/vim/" |
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| 05:07.39 | stoned | Gokee2, #Gentoo |
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| 05:07.57 | Gokee2 | stoned, ya |
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| 05:08.18 | beered | Is it possible to make aterm/bash more colorful, e.g. I want error messages and host name to be green or red, |
| 05:08.19 | Gokee2 | fogot that comp was non-debian |
| 05:08.54 | stoned | beered, I am not 100% positive, but try terminal name option as xterm-color |
| 05:09.04 | Gokee2 | stoned, I found the command I was looking for.... whereis |
| 05:09.24 | beered | stoned: well, I'm using aterm, and isn't host name a PS value in .bashrc? |
| 05:10.00 | stoned | I got cheese, hold on |
| 05:10.16 | beered | it's ok. I got it. |
| 05:10.28 | stoned | I was trying to talk with a mouthful of hotpoekcets |
| 05:10.33 | stoned | and I was typing too |
| 05:10.37 | stoned | and I spilled |
| 05:10.46 | unfo | its hard to eat and type at the same time. |
| 05:11.04 | liable | beered: theres a bash prompt howto on tldp (cant remember if it does colours, but i think it does) |
| 05:11.07 | unfo | if you google for "Keyboard for Life"... theyre waterproof. :) |
| 05:11.24 | Gokee2 | beered, one handed typing is easy1 |
| 05:12.06 | stoned | beered, liable, http://bungs.dontexist.com/nv.jpg <== my terminal prompt |
| 05:12.08 | beered | liable: yes, it's posible with export PS etc. |
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| 05:16.07 | newpers | i'm trying to resume transfer on jidgo. when i give it debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.jigdo it says "The temporary directory deb....-binary-1.iso.tmpdir already exists. its contents are going to be deleted |
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| 05:16.19 | newpers | do i conitnue or terminate? |
| 05:16.25 | litage | hey guys, what's the difference between these 2 postfix config settings?: message_size_limit , smtpd_recipient_limit |
| 05:17.41 | newpers | i just did it anyways |
| 05:17.41 | liable | newpers: terminate and read the docs for jidgo? |
| 05:17.46 | newpers | looks good |
| 05:18.28 | newpers | mann.. i wanted to install this tonight. but i have like 4 hours left |
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| 05:18.33 | SlammerXP | litage: at a guess, one affects the maximum allowed message size, the other affects the maximum number of recipients per message |
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| 05:18.55 | SlammerXP | litage: which is which is left as an exercise for the reader. |
| 05:18.55 | liable | newpers: are you just getting the netinst? or iso1? |
| 05:21.07 | litage | thanks SlammerXP |
| 05:21.46 | SlammerXP | litage: this is very spooky, but google knew the answer to that question too. |
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| 05:22.49 | dak | anyone having xlib give an error about GLX in xorg 7.0 ? |
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| 05:23.06 | dak | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":1.0". |
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| 05:23.43 | streuner | litage: The smtpd_recipient_limit parameter (default: 1000) controls how many recipients the SMTP server will take per delivery. That's more than any reasonable SMTP client would send. The limit exists just to protect the local mail system against a malicious or confused client. |
| 05:23.56 | liable | dak: you have -mesa-glx?? |
| 05:24.00 | dak | yeah :/ |
| 05:24.17 | streuner | litage: http://www.postfix.org/rate.html |
| 05:24.19 | dak | ii xlibmesa-gl 7.0.17 transitional package for Debian etch |
| 05:24.48 | liable | dak: libgl1-mesa-glx? |
| 05:24.52 | dak | ii libgl1-mesa-glx 6.4.1-0.4 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- G |
| 05:24.58 | dak | but theirs no 7.0 ver |
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| 05:26.03 | zu22 | I have a general kernel question (debian): when setting up a kernel i've always done "menuconfig" which pops up some ncurses screen with tons of menus and it's confusing because i have to go through every category and not sure what I should select, I don't want stuff I dont need but I dont want to leave out something important. So is there a more intuitive way to config the kernel or a guide to- help me know what I should select or rather shouldn't deselect? |
| 05:26.20 | streuner | litage: other term is explained in: http://www.postfix.org/resource.html |
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| 05:26.35 | dak | their isnt a libgl1-mesa-glx in experimental i guess :/ |
| 05:26.38 | dak | oh well |
| 05:26.41 | liable | zu22: you do realise there the help section which describes each option? |
| 05:26.44 | jm_ | zu22: then don't |
| 05:27.04 | liable | point |
| 05:27.16 | streuner | litage: message_size_limit (default: 10240000 bytes) |
| 05:27.16 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.28 | litage | streuner: weird, i wonder why google didn't give me that first url you posted |
| 05:27.35 | litage | streuner: thanks for the URLs |
| 05:27.53 | SlammerXP | it's "maximum" you illiterate morons. |
| 05:27.57 | streuner | litage: postfix.org can google on its website... |
| 05:28.04 | streuner | heh |
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| 05:28.46 | streuner | litage: maybe they just don't allow to google on there website (at a *wild* guess) |
| 05:28.49 | zu22 | liable: some don't have any info or else it's ambiguous to me |
| 05:29.02 | zu22 | jm_: umm heh |
| 05:29.03 | simonrvn | i guess they see maxillary and think maximal is for real or something |
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| 05:29.40 | litage | streuner: always a possibility... |
| 05:29.42 | zu22 | ToT |
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| 05:30.41 | liable | maximal is a word |
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| 05:35.32 | SlammerXP | liable: yes it is. so is "aardvark", that would look silly used there too. |
| 05:35.53 | Stormy | anyone around that has dealt with debain alpha? |
| 05:36.07 | simonrvn | nope. nor debian alpha |
| 05:36.07 | shogunx | Stormy i've got a few alphas. |
| 05:36.21 | Stormy | CS20 or a DS20L by chance? |
| 05:36.33 | shogunx | the newest is an as4100 |
| 05:36.44 | shogunx | whats the issue? |
| 05:36.46 | Stormy | i've got it freezing up when it's trying to initrd |
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| 05:37.05 | Stormy | aboot: starting kernel boot/vmlinuz with arguments ramdisk_size=16384 root=/dev |
| 05:37.13 | Stormy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.17 | Stormy | that's the last line i'm seeing |
| 05:37.45 | SlammerXP | "root=/dev" ? |
| 05:37.56 | SlammerXP | why are you doing that? *curious* |
| 05:38.02 | Stormy | i'm not it is |
| 05:38.05 | Stormy | the line wraps |
| 05:38.07 | Stormy | it looks like this |
| 05:38.13 | shogunx | Stormy how big is the initrd? |
| 05:38.16 | Stormy | root=/dev/ram devfs=mount,dall |
| 05:38.26 | SlammerXP | oh I see. |
| 05:38.29 | Stormy | aboot: loading initrd (2938876 bytes/2869 blocks) at 0xfffffc007fc12000 |
| 05:38.30 | shogunx | Stormy kernel have initrd? |
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| 05:38.42 | Stormy | it's the 3.1_r2 debian alpha disk 1 |
| 05:38.47 | Stormy | it should have an initrd |
| 05:38.50 | beoba | hi, how can i reinstall grub to the mbr using a netinst cd? |
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| 05:39.11 | beoba | the installer is bitching because it would rather repartition my computer first |
| 05:39.31 | beoba | and the alternate console at alt+f2 is being rather unhelpful, it doesnt know if grub at all |
| 05:39.41 | Stormy | i'm trying to boot the fbsd 6.1 release cd to make sure the alpha itself isn't messed |
| 05:39.44 | streuner | SlammerXP: what do you use, exim? |
| 05:39.50 | SlammerXP | streuner: of course. |
| 05:40.07 | dli | beoba, I think you didn't read instructions :( |
| 05:40.28 | beoba | dli: no, i installed windows 2000 and it overwrote the mbr |
| 05:40.43 | stew | beoba: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 05:40.51 | beoba | thanks, stew |
| 05:41.15 | beoba | dpkg is being unresponsive |
| 05:41.17 | Stormy | nice so it's the debian disk |
| 05:41.23 | stew | @fixmbr |
| 05:41.24 | Stormy | something is wrong with the debain-alpha install |
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| 05:41.55 | stew | beoba: http://dpkg.vireo.org/fixmbr |
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| 05:41.59 | dli | beoba, use any installation disk to boot, with root= option |
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| 05:42.44 | shogunx | Stormy sounds like a problem in the initrd filesystem to me. |
| 05:42.53 | Stormy | yea |
| 05:42.57 | Stormy | but at least it's not the hardware |
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| 05:43.06 | Stormy | which is what i was worried about |
| 05:43.33 | shogunx | Stormy i have netbooted most of the alpha installs i've done. |
| 05:43.34 | Stormy | fbsd 6.1 is bootin just fine on it |
| 05:43.36 | wendell3_ | Do you guys know if the default kernel that comes with the latest stable Debian for PowerPC has RAID support built in from boot? IE, if I could boot the kernel from an HFS drive and then mount / on a raid ? |
| 05:43.39 | Stormy | really? |
| 05:43.45 | shogunx | yeah. |
| 05:43.45 | Stormy | i've never netbooted anything honestly |
| 05:43.55 | Stormy | and i've owned two of these things |
| 05:44.25 | shogunx | the cdrom was dead in the first one i got, an AS2100A. had to net boot it. |
| 05:44.51 | shogunx | since i already had dhcp and tftp servers set up, i just did the rest that way. |
| 05:45.06 | Stormy | yea this one's cdrom is messed |
| 05:45.12 | Stormy | it's one of those API CS20's |
| 05:45.19 | Stormy | dual 833's 2gb ram 2gb/fc-al |
| 05:45.26 | Stormy | so far this damm thing is fast |
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| 05:45.29 | shogunx | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/ch05s01.html.en#id2521966 |
| 05:46.03 | SlammerXP | alphas were nice chips |
| 05:46.11 | shogunx | Stormy i wish we had some ip over fiber-channel in the kernel already. |
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| 05:46.36 | shogunx | Stormy 8 megs of cache on those? |
| 05:46.41 | Stormy | i thought we did |
| 05:46.44 | Stormy | ya i think so |
| 05:47.11 | Stormy | i was under the impression we had ip over fc in the kernel already |
| 05:47.13 | shogunx | no ip-->fc on my emulex's unless you use a 2.4 kernel. |
| 05:47.35 | Stormy | hmmmm |
| 05:47.53 | shogunx | tho perhaps xen running a 2.6 and 2.4 simultaneously might do the trick. |
| 05:48.02 | shogunx | on those particular emulex's |
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| 05:48.58 | lewis | how come the ext3 file system doesn't get fragmented? |
| 05:49.02 | stoned | ok I feel like a donkey now, what is the command to see how much disk space a certain DIR and every SUBDIR under it is taking in total |
| 05:49.12 | lewis | du -s -h dirname |
| 05:49.16 | SlammerXP | lewis: cunning design. |
| 05:49.19 | stoned | du, thanks |
| 05:49.24 | beoba | alright, i've tried "linux root=/dev/hda" as well as "linux root=/dev/hda1", both of those result in kernel panics (i was just guessing the proper format for the flag). the contents of http://dpkg.vireo.org/fixmbr as the install disk apparently didnt feel it necessary to create /dev/hd* |
| 05:49.25 | stoned | I mean lewis thanks |
| 05:49.46 | Stormy | ever heard of aboot? |
| 05:49.58 | beoba | i also did "expert" then loaded a shell from the menu that came up, that told me that i could find hds mounted in /target, which turned out to be nonexistant as well |
| 05:50.01 | lewis | SlammerXP: does it preallocate/reserve space on the hard disk before a file is written? |
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| 05:50.19 | bbrazil | lewis: yes, 8 blocks worth |
| 05:50.20 | shogunx | Stormy ya, and you can set the srm console to autoboot passing options to aboot. |
| 05:50.20 | mvfeinstein | can anyone here recomend a video player for etch then can do wmv, mpg, and mov? |
| 05:50.35 | SlammerXP | lewis: I'm ignorant of the exact mechanism, but I understand it's very cunning indeed. |
| 05:50.41 | Stormy | when i tell it to boot the hard drive in there it's bringing me to aboot |
| 05:51.07 | beoba | so im down to "burn some other distro's cd and use it to chroot into the debian install" but it'd be great if there were another option that didnt involve using up another CD |
| 05:51.07 | shogunx | you are at an aboot console? |
| 05:51.14 | shogunx | like an ash shell:) |
| 05:51.29 | Stormy | yea i can get to an aboot console |
| 05:51.38 | lewis | SlammerXP: bah - it isn't that important, was just curious |
| 05:51.51 | shogunx | hold on, let me look at one of the aboot.confs around here. |
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| 05:53.09 | Stormy | wierd |
| 05:53.14 | Stormy | when i tell it to boot that cdrom |
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| 05:53.19 | Stormy | with the debian in it |
| 05:53.22 | Stormy | it switches to aboot |
| 05:53.34 | Stormy | with fbsd it didn't |
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| 05:53.46 | Stormy | pastebot |
| 05:53.50 | Stormy | pasty |
| 05:53.52 | Stormy | paste |
| 05:53.54 | Stormy | dammit |
| 05:53.57 | myboxen | beboa: google is a wonderful thing - http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325 |
| 05:54.09 | myboxen | sorry, beoba http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325 |
| 05:54.14 | shogunx | A:1/linux.gz ro root=/dev/sda2 from aboot.conf |
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| 05:54.23 | Stormy | hmm |
| 05:54.52 | shogunx | srm wanted to pass -flags A by default on that box to aboot, so i just made that line. |
| 05:54.57 | beoba | myboxen: shall i take a picture of the monitor, it continues to lack /dev/hd* |
| 05:55.21 | beoba | (as i just said) |
| 05:55.37 | Stormy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2517 |
| 05:55.39 | stew | beoba: if you are using the sarge installer, its devfs so /dev/hda1 would be something like /dev/ide/bus0/disk0/part1 |
| 05:55.43 | Stormy | check that out shogunx |
| 05:56.27 | Stormy | that's where the alpha is getting stuck |
| 05:56.33 | beoba | yeah, i tried mounting those, didnt work either |
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| 05:57.41 | shogunx | what happens when you boot dka0, or has nothing been installed there yet. |
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| 05:58.52 | Stormy | one second i'll show you |
| 05:58.55 | stew | beoba: or follow the sarge installer, skip the partitioning but assign mount points to the partitions, and let the installer mount stuff for you |
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| 05:59.08 | beoba | stew: that was the first thing i tried, it freaks out |
| 05:59.19 | stew | "freaks out" huh? |
| 05:59.19 | beoba | it insists on creating a root partition for itself |
| 05:59.37 | stew | beoba: which installer? |
| 05:59.52 | beoba | the latest netinst iso as of.. two days ago |
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| 06:00.17 | shogunx | Stormy it looks like its either a) not booting the kernel, or b) perhaps the kernel is not able to spew to that video card, or c) the kernel is spewing to ttyS0. |
| 06:00.23 | beoba | if i hit "go back" a few times, i can get to the menu, where i can select to install grub |
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| 06:00.31 | beoba | when i choose that, it forwards me to the partitioner |
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| 06:00.52 | beoba | if i repeatedly go back from there, then it comes up with a red screen |
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| 06:00.56 | stew | beoba: no you cant use the installer there to install grub, you have to just use the installer disk to mount your partitions and chroot |
| 06:01.00 | beoba | which says "no file system mounted on /target" |
| 06:01.06 | sanxiyn | Have someone noticed difference in apt-get update output? |
| 06:01.11 | sanxiyn | Packages/DiffIndex |
| 06:01.23 | Stormy | shogunx: it's serial connected, boots freebsd just fine, and when i try to boot the disk it boot's aboot and stops there |
| 06:01.23 | sanxiyn | (And reduced download size of Packages file) |
| 06:01.30 | stew | beoba: but several people today have said that the partitioner in the lastest testing builds doesn't work |
| 06:01.30 | beoba | stew: i would do that, if either 1) /dev/hd* existed 2) /dev/ide/gjdfhgdf was mountable |
| 06:01.35 | sanxiyn | Anyone has more information on this? |
| 06:01.45 | stew | beoba: what ide controller do you have? |
| 06:01.49 | beoba | the partitioning itself works fine, debian installed a couple hours ago without problems |
| 06:01.59 | beoba | no idea, i literally built this computer a couple hours ago from part |
| 06:01.59 | beoba | s |
| 06:02.11 | beoba | im just finding it extremely difficult to do something that should be very straightforward |
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| 06:02.18 | shogunx | Stormy ah ha! pass console=/dev/ttyS0 to the kernel... it does not know to, it tries for vga. |
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| 06:03.26 | shogunx | Stormy which there may or may not be in that box. |
| 06:03.27 | stew | beoba: is it sata or pata? |
| 06:03.39 | beoba | pata |
| 06:03.53 | beoba | the hardware is not itself broken |
| 06:04.00 | beoba | the installer just refuses to let me access it |
| 06:04.11 | beoba | im burning a gentoo disk now |
| 06:05.00 | myboxen | beoba, did you read the link? |
| 06:05.08 | myboxen | http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/vivek/blogger/2005/08/restore-debian-linux-grub-boot-loader.php |
| 06:05.11 | beoba | myboxen: did you read anything that i've been saying? |
| 06:05.20 | myboxen | yes |
| 06:05.22 | myboxen | i did |
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| 06:05.31 | beoba | then you are incapable of understanding it |
| 06:05.38 | myboxen | you said that your /dev/hda isn't there when you boot from the disk |
| 06:05.49 | myboxen | correct |
| 06:06.21 | beoba | which means that, surprize of surprizes, the page you linked doesn't work as of step.. 4 |
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| 06:08.43 | liable | lshal should see my usb stick, no? |
| 06:11.26 | Stormy | shogunx how do i do that from the SRM? |
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| 06:13.44 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a tool for making custom udp packets for network testing? |
| 06:14.15 | oskie | fantomas: I recommend some Net::Raw (or similar) Perl module |
| 06:14.23 | shogunx | Stormy iirc, boot dqb0 -flags "root=/dev/ram ramdisk_size=16384 console=ttyS0" |
| 06:14.30 | Stormy | thanks |
| 06:15.07 | Stormy | that got me to aboot |
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| 06:15.17 | Stormy | unknown compression method |
| 06:15.31 | shogunx | Stormy hmm... aboot can pass that to the kernel too. |
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| 06:15.45 | Stormy | ok well hang on i'm gonna try something |
| 06:15.53 | shogunx | try l at aboot. |
| 06:16.03 | shogunx | there is a grublike way to edit boot parameters. |
| 06:16.10 | shogunx | iirc |
| 06:16.15 | jm_ | fantomas: hping2 might help |
| 06:16.17 | fantomas | oskie: ok, I'll try, thanks. But actually I would prefer using some frontend to it since my Perl knowledge sucks |
| 06:17.22 | Stormy | ohhh hey now that's looking better i think |
| 06:17.32 | Stormy | i bet this works |
| 06:17.39 | shogunx | me too. |
| 06:17.43 | Stormy | there we go |
| 06:17.47 | Stormy | that's looking better |
| 06:17.53 | shogunx | getting kernel spew? |
| 06:17.59 | Stormy | yea |
| 06:18.03 | shogunx | fabulous. |
| 06:18.06 | Stormy | i'm into the install side of things now too |
| 06:18.30 | fantomas | jm_: yeah, thats what I need! |
| 06:18.38 | Stormy | go baby go |
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| 06:18.50 | Stormy | wow now that's fast |
| 06:18.51 | shogunx | i bet that thing smokes. |
| 06:19.08 | Stormy | faster than the screen can refresh |
| 06:19.15 | Stormy | it's scannin the cdrom |
| 06:19.19 | Stormy | 'n other goodies |
| 06:19.43 | shogunx | be sure to do yourself up a kernel... the alpha kernels are very host and processor specific. |
| 06:19.59 | Stormy | i gotta go shogun, i've only got one net connection here ( i just moved ) thanks for your help, i'll let you know the end result when i get this done |
| 06:20.08 | shogunx | enjoy. |
| 06:20.13 | Stormy | oh i will |
| 06:20.13 | Stormy | btw |
| 06:20.20 | Stormy | you can get 'em on ebay for about $350 right now |
| 06:20.33 | Stormy | dual 833/2gb ram/2gbfc-al |
| 06:20.40 | Stormy | search for api networks |
| 06:20.47 | shogunx | thats about dirt cheap. who stole them:) |
| 06:20.52 | Stormy | yea that's what i said |
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| 06:20.55 | Stormy | but i don't care |
| 06:21.01 | Stormy | i'm gonna buy 10 of 'em if i make this one work |
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| 06:21.10 | Stormy | they say they got a bunch |
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| 06:22.21 | shogunx | in a 1U no less. |
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| 06:23.29 | shogunx | dude. that fc was cluster backplane in a cray. |
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| 06:27.58 | stoned | shogunx, wow, man, that was a statement there :) |
| 06:28.19 | shogunx | why thank you stoned. |
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| 06:29.09 | shogunx | i bet that joker got quite hot, with all those alphas stacked so close together. |
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| 06:31.58 | eflynn | is there a way to get a list of open file descriptors of a process? |
| 06:32.12 | jm_ | yes |
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| 06:32.21 | eflynn | can you do it from C |
| 06:32.49 | jm_ | sure, it can be as simple as read /proc/<pid>/fd dir, or look at how lsof does it |
| 06:33.27 | intx | anyone know what name ip tables is under in the kernel config? (e.g. CONFIG_NETFILTER)? |
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| 06:34.21 | sweetie | elo |
| 06:34.28 | jm_ | iptables tutorial will tell you |
| 06:35.05 | sweetie | how's life |
| 06:35.30 | sep | green and sligthly sticky. |
| 06:35.38 | intx | for some reason, I can't get iptables to work. |
| 06:35.39 | intx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.39 | intx | iptables v1.3.3: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 06:35.51 | sep | what happen if you insmod ? |
| 06:36.01 | intx | I have modules disabled but netfilter compiled into the kernel |
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| 06:36.55 | sweetie | hi |
| 06:37.25 | TraceGreen | Hello, my font is too big, where can i set them smaller? |
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| 06:38.11 | eflynn | in soviet russia, big fonts set YOU! |
| 06:39.09 | trenka | eflynn: ? |
| 06:39.18 | Coweater | TraceGreen: gnome. kde, console? |
| 06:39.29 | TraceGreen | Coweater, all |
| 06:39.34 | eflynn | trenka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff |
| 06:39.39 | TraceGreen | Coweater, i use openbox |
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| 06:41.01 | ylooc | hi. sorry for this newbie question but i really need it fast (before google would find it for me)..how to reconfigur regional and location settings in chroot? ntpdate thinks i am on GMT+0 but actually i am GMT+1 and the time (for apache logs/forums) is not correct |
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| 06:41.51 | intx | assuming I need to, how do I enable netfilter after I have it compiled statically into the kernel? |
| 06:42.01 | Coweater | TraceGreen: gtk/gtk2 can be set with the switch/switch2 utility in the gtk-theme-switch package, the only way i know for qt apps is through the kde control panel (kcontrol) |
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| 06:42.21 | Coweater | a bunch of apps probably have their own font config things as well |
| 06:42.42 | OrTigaS | hi i just setup a webserver which is i just follow the instruction in "aboutdebian" and i'm newbie in Linux... my question 1st: how can i import/copy files from a Window box? |
| 06:43.12 | OrTigaS | 2nd Question is: how can i access from outside thru internet if my box is behind the firewall? |
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| 06:43.46 | OrTigaS | my box is in network to the window machine |
| 06:44.10 | Gumby | does anyone here know how to use grep on .(dot)directories? default seems to ignore them |
| 06:45.07 | yetr | !gentoo |
| 06:45.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 06:47.29 | TraceGreen | Coweater, thanks, i think i may try to edit .gtkrc |
| 06:48.03 | eflynn | !redhat |
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| 06:50.35 | intx | http://pastebin.com/708952 |
| 06:50.37 | intx | anyone know why I'm getting this error? |
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| 06:51.07 | pinky | Mplayer is giving me the following error if another process' CPU usage spikes for just a brief moment: "alsa-play: pcm prepare error: Device or resource busy" |
| 06:51.42 | pinky | It seems to give me this error many times a second, with the dialogue box closing and reappearing every time |
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| 06:52.17 | Pegger | how do you make debian recreate the config files for a peticular program?? |
| 06:52.40 | _rene_ | you edit it? |
| 06:52.44 | _rene_ | what exactly w |
| 06:52.51 | _rene_ | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 06:52.53 | sep | Pegger, depends on how the program made them in the first place. you can try to reinstall the package (ifi t's a file in the .deb) |
| 06:52.56 | Pegger | no i want the default configs put back in |
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| 06:53.09 | sep | Pegger, purge and reinstall to be certain. :) |
| 06:53.15 | Pegger | but if you do a reinstall dosent it leave your config files alone |
| 06:53.26 | _rene_ | it does |
| 06:53.39 | _rene_ | except when you purge and then install it |
| 06:53.40 | simonrvn | !confmiss |
| 06:53.41 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 06:53.45 | Pegger | then how to I make it put back the origional config files |
| 06:53.48 | _rene_ | or if you rm it and use --force-confmiss |
| 06:53.53 | _rene_ | with dpkg |
| 06:54.11 | _rene_ | simply rm'ing won't work since that also is preserved for a reason |
| 06:54.18 | yetr | ok, im using 2.6.16.14, should i just use patch to upgrade it to 2.6.16.15 ? |
| 06:54.24 | yetr | .15 was released today |
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| 06:55.02 | simonrvn | only if you need the changes. otherwise i wouldn't bother, personally |
| 06:55.18 | woodland | hi |
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| 06:55.31 | Pegger | simonrvn, i did apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postfix and the origional configs are still there |
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| 06:55.52 | simonrvn | it's meant to replace missing ones, not ones already there |
| 06:56.19 | Pegger | oha so if I delete them the will come back |
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| 06:56.21 | _rene_ | Pegger: dpkg will *not* overwrite configs. That's a feature |
| 06:56.30 | yetr | simonrvn: i know right, you think it worth recompilin it? |
| 06:56.33 | _rene_ | Pegger: if you use --force-confmiss, otherwise no |
| 06:56.55 | woodland | i just reinstalled debian kernel 2.6 using netinstall. but i am getting disconnected from net after few minutes. i am still in the middle of setting system. i am in windows now. |
| 06:56.56 | simonrvn | it should be asking you if you want to overwrite, if at all, otherwise it'll do what _rene_ said |
| 06:57.02 | Pegger | i can just move the ofending config file |
| 06:57.42 | simonrvn | yetr: up to you. you read what i said (hopefully) |
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| 06:57.59 | woodland | can anybody help me |
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| 06:59.28 | Edward_TLS | moring |
| 06:59.56 | woodland | in slackware latest version which uses kernel 2.4, they have support for alsa. why doesnt debian kernel 2.4 have such support ? |
| 07:00.15 | _rene_ | it has |
| 07:00.22 | _rene_ | there *are* module debs afaik |
| 07:00.24 | indra | morning too |
| 07:00.39 | woodland | i just reinstalled debian kernel 2.6 using netinstall. but i am getting disconnected from net after few minutes. i am still in the middle of setting system. i am in windows now. |
| 07:00.52 | simonrvn | woodland: because it's a patch for 2.4. it's native in 2.6 |
| 07:01.07 | woodland | simonrvn, ok |
| 07:01.12 | simonrvn | !tell woodland -about repeat |
| 07:01.26 | woodland | simonrvn, nobody is helping me |
| 07:01.26 | indra | you female or male and are you indonesia |
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| 07:02.17 | woodland | simonrvn, can you amswer my question. why i get disconnected |
| 07:02.36 | simonrvn | !tell woodland -about ask |
| 07:02.42 | simonrvn | !tell woodland -about smart questions |
| 07:02.49 | powder | hahaha |
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| 07:03.30 | simonrvn | woodland: first you have to tell us what's going on. "my net gets disconnected" isn't very clear |
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| 07:04.48 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: my net gets disconnected! |
| 07:05.17 | simonrvn | ohnoz! |
| 07:05.24 | sanxiyn | I heard that the reason is cats. |
| 07:05.39 | woodland | simonrvn, i am in the middle of setting up debian. i added some sources for apt and it was fetching something and suddenly there is no net connection. i dont have problem with net. my room mate is also browsing it now. |
| 07:05.48 | simonrvn | here it's usually power outage or the router locking up =) |
| 07:05.51 | sanxiyn | Cats scratch cables. Bad cats! |
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| 07:06.25 | woodland | sanxiyn, if you dont want to help just shut up man. |
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| 07:06.39 | simonrvn | woodland: can you ping something? do you have dns working properly? |
| 07:06.40 | sanxiyn | sorry |
| 07:07.14 | woodland | simonrvn, no i dont get anything after pinging |
| 07:07.41 | powder | woodland, what did you ping?! |
| 07:07.53 | woodland | powder, yahoo, cnn |
| 07:08.43 | powder | what is your local ip? |
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| 07:09.10 | bastioninc | hello channel :) |
| 07:09.13 | simonrvn | do you have a route to your gateway? |
| 07:09.40 | woodland | powder, how do i find local ip |
| 07:09.54 | woodland | simonrvn, what do you mean |
| 07:10.04 | powder | woodland, ipconfig in windows |
| 07:10.24 | simonrvn | when you do 'route -n' do you see an entry for 0.0.0.0 in the second column |
| 07:10.38 | woodland | ok |
| 07:11.00 | woodland | powder, its 192.168.1.3 |
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| 07:11.29 | woodland | simonrvn, i didnt do that. i am in windows now. |
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| 07:12.18 | bastioninc | i have problem witch samba daemon @ debian. Strange error log found. Who can halp me? |
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| 07:12.28 | simonrvn | #samba can |
| 07:12.38 | tg_work | hi. is there a possibility to get NPTL support with a 2.4 vserver kernel without patching it? |
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| 07:14.05 | sanxiyn | tg_work: I doubt that. |
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| 07:14.25 | sanxiyn | AFAIK vserver for 2.4 conflicts with NPTL, exec-shiled, selinux, and bunch of other things. |
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| 07:14.54 | tg_work | hm, damn |
| 07:15.40 | riandyca | hai, boleh kenalan pa gak????? |
| 07:15.51 | bastioninc | smbd[6157]: PANIC: assert failed at smbd/files.c(200) |
| 07:16.03 | bastioninc | this is my problem var/syslog |
| 07:16.09 | simonrvn | bastioninc: looks like a bug |
| 07:16.11 | riandyca | apa sih maksud km????? |
| 07:16.41 | _rene_ | riandyca: english please |
| 07:16.44 | streuner | riandyca: english |
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| 07:17.23 | streuner | indonesia is id? |
| 07:17.32 | streuner | !id |
| 07:17.33 | dpkg | methinks id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 07:17.36 | streuner | hm |
| 07:17.41 | riandyca | what you understand my language? |
| 07:17.46 | simonrvn | doesn't resolve for me |
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| 07:18.11 | streuner | inetnum: 222.124.0.0 - 222.124.255.255 |
| 07:18.16 | _rene_ | riandyca: no, but we see you don't speak english |
| 07:18.21 | streuner | descr: JL. KEBONSIRIH NO. 37 JAKARTA |
| 07:18.28 | simonrvn | yeh, indonesia |
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| 07:19.13 | riandyca | maksud loe? |
| 07:19.53 | simonrvn | !id is also Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360 |
| 07:19.53 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 07:20.10 | riandyca | yes! |
| 07:20.14 | simonrvn | @id is also Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360 |
| 07:20.16 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 07:20.53 | streuner | !seen Andika |
| 07:20.53 | dpkg | andika <andika@ws1.sigma.melsa.net.id> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 628d 21h 58m 28s ago, saying: 'streuner: hi :)'. |
| 07:21.13 | simonrvn | loong time ago |
| 07:21.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:21.21 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:21.30 | simonrvn | !popcorn |
| 07:21.37 | OrTigaS | hi i just setup a webserver which is i just follow the instruction in "aboutdebian" and i'm newbie in Linux... my question 1st: how can i import/copy files from a Window box? |
| 07:21.43 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 07:21.54 | streuner | anyway, i know only Andika who speaks 'binun' |
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| 07:22.32 | OrTigaS | 2nd Question is: how can i access from outside thru internet if my box is behind the firewall? |
| 07:22.40 | riandyca | i don't know ? |
| 07:22.41 | OrTigaS | my box is in network to the other window machine |
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| 07:24.18 | sanxiyn | riandyca: Halo. Kami tidak bisa berbahasa Indonesia. |
| 07:24.20 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 07:24.41 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 07:25.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:25.22 | simonrvn | nice |
| 07:25.29 | sanxiyn | "Hello. We (exclusive) don't speak Indonesian language." |
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| 07:25.43 | sanxiyn | (In case that wasn't obvious...) |
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| 07:27.13 | sanxiyn | Apparently, "maksud loe" means something like "my problem/question". |
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| 07:27.16 | tempo2k | Hi Im makeing a php script which sends mail, and the guys in #php told me that I needed a MTA, one suggested exim4, what do you reckon? |
| 07:27.23 | sanxiyn | Hail Wikimedia. |
| 07:27.34 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: I reckon you should not write a PHP script that sends mail. |
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| 07:27.37 | riandyca | hai???? |
| 07:27.47 | sanxiyn | riandyca: halo |
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| 07:29.12 | tempo2k | SlammerXP care to explain why? |
| 07:29.30 | stew | tempo2k: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say? |
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| 07:30.09 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: several reasons. the major two being 1) there's already php mail sending modules out there 2) the world doesn't need yet another poorly written mail script that can be used as a spam zombie. |
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| 07:30.38 | ttl_work | Hi |
| 07:30.47 | sanxiyn | SlammerXP: Eh, I used http://www.php.net/mail function. |
| 07:30.52 | paxed | after update my box doesn't recognize /dev/hdd, an EZ-Drive'd HD. /etc/lilo.conf has line append="hdd=remap", and that used to work. Help? |
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| 07:31.12 | tempo2k | SlammerXP 1) What's a module? 2) It's not going to be used as a 'zombie', I just want my website to send me mail if something happens. |
| 07:31.25 | stew | tempo2k: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say? |
| 07:31.28 | ttl_work | I'm looking for a program to fetch mail from a POP server and forward it to another POP server |
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| 07:32.02 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: a modules is a pre-written block of code that you can incorporate into your own. 2) that might be your intention. and phpbb wasn't intended to be used as a remote root shell, didn't stop people doing so. |
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| 07:32.25 | SlammerXP | ttl_work: you can't send mail _to_ a POP server. |
| 07:32.34 | tempo2k | stew What does that command do? I'm a linux newb and not to keen on entering commands I got from irc =) |
| 07:32.40 | stew | ttl_work: can you run fetchmail on the second pop server? |
| 07:32.48 | ttl_work | SlammerXP: to a mail address, sorry |
| 07:32.52 | stew | tempo2k: it would tell me what MTA you have installed |
| 07:33.09 | tempo2k | stew do I need to be root? |
| 07:33.13 | stew | tempo2k: no |
| 07:33.14 | sanxiyn | tempo2k: No. |
| 07:33.15 | Illnor | I'm installing Debian Potato on a Toshiba Satellite 100CS (75MHz, 8Mb RAM - Woody was too new for it) - I have a Linksys Wireless-B WPC11 PCMCIA card in the laptop, does a generic net module support that? |
| 07:33.33 | stew | tempo2k: its asking dpkg "what package is providing my /usr/sbin/sendmail?" |
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| 07:33.41 | tempo2k | Here you go: exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 07:33.55 | sanxiyn | tempo2k: You already have MTA. Configure it. |
| 07:34.06 | tempo2k | How? =) |
| 07:34.09 | stew | tempo2k: so you already have an MTA installed, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to configure it |
| 07:34.12 | ttl_work | let me rephrase my question |
| 07:34.22 | tempo2k | stew I just type that? |
| 07:34.25 | sanxiyn | (stew was fast) |
| 07:34.33 | sanxiyn | tempo2k: You type that and answer some questions. |
| 07:34.39 | ttl_work | I'm looking for a program to fetch mail from a POP server and forward it to an external mail address |
| 07:34.42 | tempo2k | Sweet, thanks for all the help! |
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| 07:35.05 | SlammerXP | ttl_work: i think fetchmail can do that for you |
| 07:36.23 | ttl_work | Illnor: what chipset ? |
| 07:36.24 | tempo2k | stew A blue screen comes up -> Configuring Exim v4 ........ Split configuration into small files? y/n? |
| 07:36.33 | stew | !widhe |
| 07:36.33 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 07:37.04 | sanxiyn | stew: Wah. Good factoid. |
| 07:37.18 | tempo2k | Yes then? |
| 07:37.21 | ttl_work | SlammerXP: I don't know if Fetchmail can send mail too... |
| 07:37.38 | tempo2k | stew "If you are unsure then you should not use split configuration." |
| 07:37.45 | SlammerXP | ttl_work: you could try it and find out. |
| 07:37.51 | ttl_work | Illnor: do lspci |
| 07:37.53 | sanxiyn | tempo2k: So you don't. :) |
| 07:37.57 | Illnor | Toshiba 100CS uses the CT65545 video chipset |
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| 07:40.51 | tempo2k | http://pastebin.com/708985 ? |
| 07:40.56 | teledyn | anyone had the fonts and all text in menus and dialogs disappear in audacity? |
| 07:41.06 | ttl_work | Illnor: I don't need to know your VGA chipset in order to get your wifi NIC working |
| 07:41.11 | teledyn | some totally fucked up problem... |
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| 07:41.58 | ttl_work | Illnor: But i think the WPC11 is a Broadcom chipset |
| 07:42.13 | ttl_work | Illnor: lspci will tell you |
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| 07:42.18 | fiendster | hello, i installed windows and obliterated grub, how do i get grub back via a liveCD? thanks |
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| 07:43.02 | liable | fiendster: mount your /, chroot to it, run grub-install /dev/foo |
| 07:43.26 | POVaddct | Illnor: toshiba 100cs, i had one of those |
| 07:43.54 | fiendster | liable, ah... thanks! |
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| 07:44.27 | Illnor | how'd you like it? |
| 07:44.45 | teledyn | i ran strace on audacity. the only weird thing are lines like "read(3, 0xbf9903b4, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" |
| 07:44.50 | liable | fiendster: you're welcome |
| 07:45.13 | Illnor | ttl_work: i can't run commands because it's not installed yet. i was hoping to run a network install, but it'll be quicker to run off the disks at this point. and i'm not even sure if potato could do a network install |
| 07:45.26 | tarzeau | can i make ncurses not clear the screen when doing initscr(); |
| 07:45.27 | Illnor | my apologies about the chipset confusion |
| 07:45.28 | teledyn | aha i see a font line in there! |
| 07:45.48 | ttl_work | Illnor: oh i see |
| 07:46.06 | Illnor | i'll run lspci once its up and running and let you know what chipset it uses and we can go from there i guess |
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| 07:46.12 | ttl_work | Illnor: Just installed testing :) |
| 07:46.13 | POVaddct | Illnor: it was sloooow, had only 8mb ram, and no cdrom |
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| 07:46.47 | teledyn | -*-helvetica-regular but xfontsel only shows helvetica-medium |
| 07:47.15 | Illnor | POVaddct: I got this thing for free, someone just tossing it out.. the network card was only $20 on eBay and I'm just going to use my school's new wifi setup |
| 07:47.26 | POVaddct | Illnor: are we talking about the same notebook? pentium 1 75MHz, 8mb ram, 512MB hard disk |
| 07:47.40 | ttl_work | Illnor: np |
| 07:47.52 | ttl_work | Illnor: good luck |
| 07:47.57 | Illnor | POVaddct: Yes, except my HD is 820 or so MB |
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| 07:48.08 | POVaddct | Illnor: okay, but in the pcmcia-slot can't handle cardbus (pci) cards, only old pcmcia cards (isa) |
| 07:49.00 | ttl_work | POVaddct: oh it an old pcmcia slot |
| 07:49.07 | ttl_work | it's* |
| 07:49.12 | tempo2k | stew Can you help with the config of Exim 4? |
| 07:49.31 | ttl_work | Illnor: that will indeed not work |
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| 07:51.02 | Illnor | because the card is not compatible with the slot then |
| 07:51.07 | jm_ | tarzeau: no, it will explicitely clear the screen |
| 07:51.46 | tarzeau | jm_: that's bad i don't want it to do that |
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| 07:52.04 | tarzeau | jm_: all i need is to get the terminal size, x/y |
| 07:52.14 | tarzeau | jm_: and i didn't find a reliable way without ncurses :( |
| 07:52.28 | tarzeau | jm_: also getyx() returns me 0,0 |
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| 07:53.55 | zinx | tarzeau: terminfo |
| 07:54.21 | zinx | tarzeau: instead of ncurses |
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| 07:57.30 | jm_ | tarzeau: ahh, you can use tgetnum for that |
| 07:58.04 | hanuma | is there a bot here in debain channel like ubotu in ubuntu |
| 07:58.09 | hanuma | ? |
| 07:58.47 | SlammerXP | hanuma: #debain is next door. |
| 07:58.48 | litage | hanuma: yes, it's name is dpkg |
| 07:59.11 | hanuma | litage thank u |
| 07:59.15 | litage | n |
| 07:59.17 | litage | np |
| 07:59.17 | hanuma | i am a new bie to debain |
| 07:59.34 | liable | !debain |
| 07:59.35 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 07:59.38 | liable | :) |
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| 08:02.36 | rockdonus | hello |
| 08:02.46 | rockdonus | i see dot11WEPDefaultKey0= in the wlancfg-MYESSID file. |
| 08:02.51 | rockdonus | if iwconfig wlan0 key 9622435686 works normally, then do i set dot11WEPDefaultKey0=96:22:43:56:86? |
| 08:05.40 | zinx | tarzeau: you know, terminfo desn't seem to have a capability for reporting cursor position.. only mouse position.. oh well. |
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| 08:06.03 | tarzeau | zinx: i don't care, i don't need that |
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| 08:06.12 | tarzeau | jm_: what do i use -l for terminfo? |
| 08:06.15 | zinx | tarzeau: oh |
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| 08:06.20 | dorel_ | is there something like rc.local for starting up process during boot? |
| 08:06.24 | tarzeau | zinx: it's a unix text tool that i've been missing for years |
| 08:06.32 | tarzeau | zinx: like num-utils, but text-utils... |
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| 08:06.48 | tarzeau | zinx: i've had some code lie around for almost a decade of years and now.... |
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| 08:06.55 | liable | dorel_: just make your own script and put it in init.d, then run update-rc.d |
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| 08:06.57 | tarzeau | zinx: after nobody wrote what i really need, i do it myself |
| 08:07.10 | Illnor | Well, despite showing my ignorance about laptop cards, I'm still installing Debian Potato on this thing, can anyone suggest neat 'retro linux' applications that would be fun? |
| 08:07.13 | liable | cat: 3rd.. :P |
| 08:07.14 | zinx | tarzeau: i have no idea what num-utils is :) |
| 08:07.23 | dorel_ | liable, ahh ok |
| 08:07.26 | tarzeau | zinx: something joeyh is going to package for debian (itp'd) |
| 08:07.32 | cat | my bad ;X |
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| 08:08.01 | dorel_ | liable: and there's nothing like create-rc.d that would create those init.d scripts were you can do "/etc/init.d/someprogram restart" right? |
| 08:08.04 | cat | it sucks, because i need to do a lot of researching now with my videocard, need to installed the nvidia drivers, and stuff like that |
| 08:08.11 | zinx | hmm, k |
| 08:08.50 | zinx | tarzeau: check tigetstr, tputs, terminfo(5), etc |
| 08:09.06 | zinx | tarzeau: terminfo(5) has the capabilities |
| 08:09.19 | tarzeau | zinx: yes but i just need to know what i link aginst |
| 08:09.27 | tarzeau | zinx: like for math.h i need -lm |
| 08:09.42 | zinx | tarzeau: -lterminfo |
| 08:09.53 | tarzeau | zinx: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lterminfo |
| 08:09.58 | zinx | tarzeau: then, -lncurses |
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| 08:10.11 | liable | dorel_: theres a skeleton file in init.d, cjeck it out. |
| 08:10.16 | liable | check |
| 08:10.26 | tarzeau | zinx: damn! |
| 08:10.33 | dorel_ | cool |
| 08:10.36 | zinx | tarzeau: you don't need initscr() |
| 08:10.40 | tarzeau | zinx: i can do that but it only works when i run initscr() and that clears the screen |
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| 08:10.45 | tarzeau | zinx: but then i get -1, -1 |
| 08:10.51 | zinx | tarzeau: no, no.. use the terminfo functions |
| 08:11.00 | tarzeau | zinx: i DO! x=tgetnum("co"); |
| 08:11.01 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.15 | zinx | tarzeau: oh, that |
| 08:11.15 | rockdonus | does anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 08:11.35 | tarzeau | zinx: ok just tell me how i get x and y without clearing the screen |
| 08:11.36 | zinx | tarzeau: setupterm() |
| 08:11.41 | zinx | tarzeau: you can't |
| 08:11.51 | zinx | tarzeau: not portabliy, anyway... there's no capability for it |
| 08:12.00 | zinx | tarzeau: you can get columns/lines though |
| 08:12.13 | tarzeau | zinx: ok i want columns/lines |
| 08:12.17 | zinx | tarzeau: using setupterm and tigetnum |
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| 08:12.36 | bibe | hi all. I have written a small kernel patch to enable support for Realtek 8168/8111 gigabit ethernet cards. The patch is based on Realtek sources, published on their website without any mention of a license. I sent them some emails asking which license ships with the driver's sources, but I had no answer. I'd like to set up a debian package too (say, r1000-source), but can I do that without knowing the license of the sources? |
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| 08:13.29 | zinx | bibe: it won't go in debian if it doesn't have a license |
| 08:13.37 | zinx | bibe: since not having one effectively means you can not copy it |
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| 08:13.50 | tarzeau | zinx, jm_: thanks so much! exactly what i needed |
| 08:15.34 | bibe | zinx : really? I thought that not having any license, and being publicly available on the net, means that it's "public domain", or something like that... |
| 08:15.42 | zinx | bibe: Nope. |
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| 08:16.12 | liable | bibe: try the debian-legal mailing list |
| 08:16.16 | zinx | bibe: it means it's Copyright (C) All rights reserved. |
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| 08:16.29 | zinx | bibe: at least in the US. |
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| 08:16.31 | bibe | zinx : ok, I'll build the package for my convenience |
| 08:16.41 | bibe | liable : thanks, I'll try that |
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| 08:24.31 | garabb | hi everybody |
| 08:24.32 | prem | hi all, any seamonkey debs arround? |
| 08:24.42 | RichiH | !search |
| 08:24.42 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 08:25.07 | garabb | does anyone know whar is happening to security.debian.org |
| 08:25.16 | prem | i can only seamonkey 1.0 debs in contrib but not the latet 1.0.1 debs which was released couple of days back |
| 08:25.44 | prem | anybody know when seamonkey is going to be in etch/sid |
| 08:26.09 | garabb | i am getting Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/t/tiff/libtiff4_3.7.2-3sarge1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
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| 08:26.54 | atsi | hi i have a bunch of folders that contain programms and its dependencies for sarge. i would like to burn it to a dual layer dvd and then added to the apt cdrom add. could someone tell me the structure the dvd should have so it would be acceptable from apt-get utility? |
| 08:26.59 | garabb | i have not been able to update my servers (5) for 2 days now |
| 08:27.08 | RichiH | garabb: try 194.109.137.218 |
| 08:27.38 | zimnyx | IS there a package like gnome-bluetooth ? |
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| 08:28.03 | zimnyx | i need some graphical tool for easy access to bluetooth devices |
| 08:28.19 | _rene_ | atsi: man apt-ftparchive |
| 08:28.23 | liable | zimnyx: kde has one i believe |
| 08:28.33 | _rene_ | atsi: create Packages.gz and/or Sources.gz and that was it |
| 08:28.36 | bibe | atsi : you can use apt-ftparchive, just a moment and I'll send a link to a nice howto |
| 08:28.45 | liable | zimnyx: i dont think there is a desktop independent one though |
| 08:28.47 | _rene_ | then you can do stuff like deb file:/foo/bar ./ |
| 08:28.54 | garabb | RichiH what would be this 194.109.137.218 like in sources.list? |
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| 08:29.11 | petinati | hello |
| 08:29.19 | RichiH | garabb: sdo |
| 08:29.22 | petinati | help please |
| 08:29.24 | bibe | http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debrepository |
| 08:29.30 | bibe | atsi : ^^^ |
| 08:29.31 | _rene_ | bibe: how dou you need a howto for apt-ftparchive packages . > Packages? |
| 08:29.33 | RichiH | security.debian.org has address 194.109.137.218 |
| 08:29.33 | RichiH | security.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212 |
| 08:29.41 | liable | theres more than one security server? |
| 08:29.43 | RichiH | the 128ish one did not work, apparently |
| 08:29.50 | RichiH | liable: seems so |
| 08:29.52 | _rene_ | and then gzip-compress that |
| 08:30.04 | RichiH | i think i remeber sth about them setting up a fallback, too |
| 08:30.11 | liable | RichiH: fix your deps problem> |
| 08:30.12 | bibe | _rene_ : that howto builds a debian repository in a simple and structured manner |
| 08:30.17 | liable | ? |
| 08:30.17 | petinati | my samba type permission reject |
| 08:30.28 | _rene_ | bibe: but that's overhead in this case IMHO |
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| 08:30.31 | petinati | alguem fala prtugues aqui? |
| 08:30.33 | RichiH | liable: i needed to leave my gf's apartment, i will continue tonight |
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| 08:30.40 | RichiH | !pt |
| 08:30.40 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 08:30.58 | atsi | bibe, thanks. i will take a look on that how to. |
| 08:31.15 | cat | !debian-es |
| 08:31.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:31.18 | garabb | RichiH i have deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main but it goes to128.101.240.212 80 always |
| 08:31.26 | bibe | _rene_ : it's possible, but I use it with my kernel images and some recompiled packages, and it's working very nice IMHO |
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| 08:31.42 | RichiH | garabb: try `host security.debian.org` |
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| 08:32.09 | zimnyx | liable: it can be deskop dependent, i don;t mind |
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| 08:32.11 | RichiH | garabb: of course, you should not entirely trust some random guy on irc when it comes to package sources. otoh, they are all signed |
| 08:32.32 | liable | zimnyx: whats wrong with the gnome one? |
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| 08:32.47 | zimnyx | liable: nothing wrong, i dunno its name |
| 08:32.51 | RichiH | oi Blissex |
| 08:33.02 | liable | zimnyx: apt-cache search bluetooth? |
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| 08:33.24 | zimnyx | liable: i got it installed |
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| 08:35.12 | zimnyx | just can;t find graphical tool |
| 08:35.21 | zimnyx | only commandline ones |
| 08:35.36 | zimnyx | they work, but are not too much usable |
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| 08:38.30 | garabb | RichiH: thank you, this has worked! |
| 08:38.46 | RichiH | garabb: :) |
| 08:41.08 | bibe | I did a fresh install of etch on a laptop, selecting Desktop environment and Laptop tasks during install. Then I installed some packages, including postfix, which removed exim4. 'dpkg -l exim4*' says exim4-base and exim4-config status is 'rc' (Remove/Config-files), I try to 'aptitude purge exim4-base exim4-config' but i get this message: "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-scalable". Aren't those packages requ |
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| 08:41.39 | jm_ | bibe: your messages was too long (Aren't those packages requ) |
| 08:41.55 | bibe | Aren't those packages required to use Xorg? |
| 08:41.57 | cat | can someone tell me where i can download the nvidia drivers? for sarge |
| 08:41.59 | The_ritz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.17 | bibe | !tell cat -about nvidia |
| 08:42.42 | cat | i saw that alread |
| 08:42.43 | cat | y |
| 08:42.49 | jm_ | bibe: not really no, perhaps you should install x-window-system-core |
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| 08:43.01 | jm_ | !tell cat -about nvidia one-liner |
| 08:43.05 | cat | before i ask a question i look for it first |
| 08:43.24 | zimnyx | What is your favourite tool for accessing bluetooth devices? |
| 08:43.29 | cat | jm_: how can i add a non contrib to my sarge list? |
| 08:43.37 | cat | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ non-free contrib main |
| 08:43.42 | cat | that line doesn't work |
| 08:43.50 | The_ritz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.54 | jm_ | The_ritz: typically when there are hardware problems or when you use remote mounts and it's innaccessible |
| 08:43.58 | jm_ | and stop repeating |
| 08:44.07 | jm_ | cat: with an editor - you need to run update first |
| 08:44.08 | The_ritz | sorry |
| 08:44.14 | cat | i already did |
| 08:44.33 | cat | but it's giving me an error look at this W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org non-free/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_non-free_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 08:44.34 | The_ritz | but this is on SERVER...it is not mounting from anywhere |
| 08:44.36 | jm_ | well that line is of course wrong |
| 08:44.42 | bibe | jm_ : thanks, I'm installing x-window-system-core |
| 08:44.48 | jm_ | then it might be hardware issue |
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| 08:45.07 | cat | jm_: can you give me a line that works please? |
| 08:45.14 | cat | so i can installed the nvidia driver |
| 08:46.23 | The_ritz | how do i trace the hardware issue in this case :( |
| 08:46.27 | Coweater | cat: you didn't specify a release, if you want sarge, put stable or sarge after the url |
| 08:46.39 | cat | oh ok |
| 08:47.25 | jm_ | cat: run apt-setup |
| 08:47.43 | bibe | cat : take a look at http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/etch/index.htm, there's an howto for etch (but it should work for sarge too) |
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| 08:48.35 | pinky | is there a utility to scan a commercial video DVD to see if it has CSS DRM on it or not? I think I have one that doesn't, and I'd like to check. |
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| 08:48.47 | enrico1919 | ciao |
| 08:48.50 | enrico1919 | ciao a tutti |
| 08:48.52 | enrico1919 | hello |
| 08:49.37 | enrico1919 | someone read my message? |
| 08:49.54 | enrico1919 | people? |
| 08:50.24 | nse | hum.. |
| 08:50.27 | nse | !it |
| 08:50.28 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 08:55.18 | scheuri | hi all |
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| 08:59.16 | trc | I get a lot of conflicts due to dbus-1 being installed, it conflicts with dbus. Dbus wants to replace dbus-1, and a bunch of packages call for dbus. Go ahead and install dbus? |
| 08:59.22 | trc | (sid) |
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| 09:02.38 | atsi | bibe, i followed the howto for the apt-ftparchive. but i am not sure on how to structure the dvd, though. |
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| 09:03.04 | Faithful | In the debian-installer what constitutes a "standard system" gnome et al ? |
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| 09:08.05 | atsi | i am trying to make a dvd-9 to hold some folders with programs and its dependencies. someone told me to use the tutorial on http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debrepository, but i am still having problems about the structure of the dvd. how do i make it so i could use it with the apt-cdrom add? |
| 09:08.24 | liable | Faithful: theres an option for standard system? |
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| 09:08.41 | Hal9000 | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/t/tiff/libtiff4_3.7.2-3sarge1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
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| 09:10.00 | yang | when receiving multiple emails with signatures...how should i import them ? Save the attachment to the disk from each and then run gpg --import ? I wonder if there is a tool that can grab multiple emails, and import all signatures from there? |
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| 09:11.05 | pego | hi |
| 09:11.20 | pego | anyone know how can i have lm_sensors volt in SNMP please ? |
| 09:11.29 | Arcainus | hey guys...i have an issue with the nForce3 motherboard as the debian can't pickup the network card :| |
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| 09:12.01 | Arcainus | im booting from a network boot cd |
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| 09:12.32 | enrico1919 | hello |
| 09:12.56 | himmelstr | is there any equivalent program to Dreamweaver in debian? |
| 09:12.57 | jm_ | try 2.6 kernel |
| 09:13.09 | enrico1919 | i can't set resolution up to 800x600...what i can do? |
| 09:13.13 | Arcainus | jm_, i did |
| 09:13.23 | Arcainus | linux26 |
| 09:14.10 | jm_ | Arcainus: then try updated kernel |
| 09:14.33 | jm_ | although 2.6.8 worked with my nforce4 board, but it wasn't very reliable |
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| 09:15.19 | Arcainus | jm_ ... i only have this network boot cd which means i can't atp-get anything ;) |
| 09:15.32 | enrico1919 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.36 | Arcainus | so what your saying is debian doesn't have the drivers for it with sarge rc1 ? |
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| 09:15.48 | woodland | hi do i need to have xserver-xfree86 to install any window manager ? |
| 09:17.03 | jm_ | Arcainus: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 09:17.20 | jm_ | Arcainus: no, I am just guessing, it may be it can't auto-detect it and you have to load it manually |
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| 09:17.35 | jm_ | woodland: no, but it won't be of much use then |
| 09:17.45 | woodland | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:18.25 | woodland | jm_, so for GUI i have to have xserver-xfree86 installed , right ? |
| 09:18.46 | Arcainus | thanks jm_ |
| 09:18.50 | enrico1919 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.09 | jm_ | woodland: you need more than that, x-window-system-core |
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| 09:19.34 | woodland | jm_, ok |
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| 09:19.45 | jm_ | enrico1919: x logfile will tell you why |
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| 09:20.28 | fbn | I try tu run 'sensors' on my machine with kernel 2.6.15 but it complains about missing i2c-proc module, how can I get this module? |
| 09:21.24 | enrico1919 | jm_: :)...where is xlogfile? |
| 09:21.39 | jm_ | enrico1919: /msg dpkg x logfile |
| 09:21.50 | jm_ | fbn: are you using a custom kernel? |
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| 09:22.27 | fbn | jm_: no, I'm using linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 09:22.35 | jm_ | fbn: tried running sensors-detect? |
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| 09:22.49 | fbn | jm_: yes, it told me to load modules which I did |
| 09:22.56 | Arcainus | jm_...im trying expert mode...and it has the sata_nv ticked |
| 09:23.07 | woodland | jm_, so for GUI , i need xserver-xfree86, x-window-system-core, anything else ? |
| 09:23.10 | jm_ | Arcainus: that's not for your NIC |
| 09:23.28 | jm_ | woodland: no, x-window-system-core will install the server - you'll also want more later, I'm pretty sure |
| 09:23.47 | Arcainus | yeah, but sure if it has the sata_nv it should have the nic...both are from the same board :| |
| 09:23.57 | enrico1919 | jm_: i don t understand:( |
| 09:24.10 | Faithful | Why is debian amd64 such a pain to install... the mirrors are all broken the installer hangs. |
| 09:24.31 | Toast | how do u make apt-get stop dling? |
| 09:24.37 | jm_ | fbn: i2c-proc is for 2.4 |
| 09:24.41 | jm_ | enrico1919: ehh? |
| 09:24.56 | Toast | but without ruining what i've dled already |
| 09:25.02 | enrico1919 | jm_: i don t finf the x logfile... |
| 09:25.03 | Edward_TLS | who is running oracle on debian... ? |
| 09:25.04 | enrico1919 | find |
| 09:25.06 | jm_ | arcan;like I said, it may not know you need it so you have to load it manually, or it may need a newer driver |
| 09:25.07 | Edward_TLS | 10.2 |
| 09:25.07 | bartlebee | Faithful I installed it yesterday without any issues |
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| 09:25.20 | jm_ | Arcainus read the above starting with "arcan:" |
| 09:25.29 | jm_ | Toast: how about ctrl-c? |
| 09:25.47 | jm_ | enrico1919: it's where dpkg told you it is |
| 09:25.48 | Arcainus | jm_...how would i load a module within installation? or can i only do that at the end of installation? |
| 09:25.58 | woodland | jm_, but debian homepage doesnt say that x-window-system-core 'depends' upon xserver-xfree86 , why is that |
| 09:26.00 | Toast | jm_ won't that just mess everything up? |
| 09:26.15 | jm_ | Arcainus: doesn't it ask you if you want to load more modules? otherwise do it from 2nd console |
| 09:26.16 | fbn | jm_: ah right I see that now ... but if I run sensors it still tells me that it can't access procfs/sysfs (which is available, both) and is unable to find i2c bus information |
| 09:26.34 | jm_ | woodland: yes it does: Depends: xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:26.46 | jm_ | Toast: not if you do it while it's downloading, not when it's installing stuff |
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| 09:27.00 | Toast | jm_ alright thanks |
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| 09:27.06 | jm_ | fbn: it might mean you have unsupported chip |
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| 09:27.27 | jm_ | Toast: no worries |
| 09:27.28 | enrico1919 | jm_: but the command is "dpkg x logfile"...don t work...:( |
| 09:27.44 | jm_ | enrico1919: no, type "/msg dpkg x logfile" in your IRC client ... |
| 09:27.46 | fbn | jm_: I don't think so, it's hardware from a hoster and other customers have lmsensors running |
| 09:27.56 | woodland | jm_, here http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xserver-xfree86 it doesnt say that |
| 09:28.00 | jm_ | fbn: ask them which modules the use |
| 09:28.11 | fbn | jm_: ok thanks |
| 09:28.13 | jm_ | woodland: you need to look at http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/x-window-system-core ... |
| 09:28.16 | enrico1919 | jm_:ok...and next? |
| 09:28.25 | woodland | jm_, ok |
| 09:28.37 | jm_ | fbn: I have Chaintech K7 board at home and it works fine |
| 09:28.46 | jm_ | enrico1919: next dpkg will tell you the answer, so read it |
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| 09:29.01 | enrico1919 | no...dpkg don t tell me anything |
| 09:29.10 | enrico1919 | simple print *dpkg* x logfile" |
| 09:29.16 | fbn | jm_: what have you done, installed lmsensors, detect, sensors - and it shows you the information? |
| 09:29.31 | enrico1919 | jm:no...dpkg don t tell me anything |
| 09:29.31 | enrico1919 | > simple print *dpkg* x logfile" |
| 09:29.33 | jm_ | fbn: well add compiled the right modules in kernel somewhere ;) |
| 09:29.40 | woodland | jm_, oh, i was looking at 'unstable' page not the 'stable' one. sorry |
| 09:29.43 | jm_ | !tell enrico1919 -about x logfile |
| 09:29.48 | atsi | anyone? |
| 09:29.59 | fbn | jm_: ah okay you have your own kernel :) |
| 09:30.21 | enrico1919 | -about x logfile |
| 09:30.28 | jm_ | fbn: right, but it should be even easier with Debian kernels because you already have all those modules available |
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| 09:30.39 | jm_ | enrico1919: now it has told you |
| 09:30.42 | [i] | preved ! |
| 09:31.01 | enrico1919 | no |
| 09:31.06 | enrico1919 | jm_: no |
| 09:31.20 | enrico1919 | ahhhhhh yessss |
| 09:31.21 | enrico1919 | :D |
| 09:31.22 | jm_ | enrico1919: yes |
| 09:31.32 | woodland | jm_, i want to configure aptitude to automatically install and remove 'suggests' packages. how do i do that |
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| 09:32.02 | jm_ | woodland: read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/index.html, it tells you what to write to config file |
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| 09:32.10 | woodland | jm_, thanx |
| 09:32.12 | yang | my gateway got an kernel call trace error, and its not responding to any commands, but still i can use the other machines connected over it to get on the internet... ? |
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| 09:32.28 | jm_ | woodland: add "en/" before index.html, bug in man pafgw |
| 09:32.50 | jm_ | yang: yeah that's a feature, and some people use it that way |
| 09:33.36 | r3tex | is there really so much overhead in enabling PAE or highmem support? |
| 09:33.47 | enrico1919 | jm_: Not using built-in mode "1024x768" (width too large for virtual size)...what meaning? |
| 09:33.51 | jm_ | r3tex: do you really need it? |
| 09:34.03 | jm_ | enrico1919: I can't explain it better than that |
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| 09:34.09 | yang | well can you tell out of call trace what kind of bug it was to freeze, after preety good uptime? |
| 09:34.09 | r3tex | jm_: well, for VM-ware and i have 1.5 gigs of ram |
| 09:34.23 | jm_ | you can tell if you're familiar with it |
| 09:34.36 | enrico1919 | jm_: it s driver problem? |
| 09:34.41 | jm_ | r3tex: you can use configurable user-kernel-space patch to do without it |
| 09:34.48 | zu22 | debian developers doing Google SoC: http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060508 |
| 09:34.49 | jm_ | enrico1919: sounds more like a configuration problem to me |
| 09:35.07 | r3tex | jm_: ok, is the 2/2 split better? |
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| 09:35.26 | enrico1919 | jm_: is there a configuration tool? |
| 09:35.38 | yang | jm_: you would need a whole stack line, call trace & code to resolve it? And I am not able to paste it becouse its frozen now... |
| 09:36.31 | cate | r3tex: yes. 2/2 is better |
| 09:36.56 | jm_ | r3tex: well that's up to you and your demands, but it allows you to use all of it without hihmem support |
| 09:37.05 | jm_ | !drxx enrico1919 |
| 09:37.05 | dpkg | enrico1919: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:37.21 | enrico1919 | !drxx |
| 09:37.21 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 09:37.31 | jm_ | yang: well yes, someone who's familiar with it will need all of it, write it down? |
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| 09:37.58 | yang | jm_: its too much of a writing...i just hope it wont repeat |
| 09:38.17 | yang | jm_: i assume its some damaged thing, becouse its a very old computer |
| 09:38.20 | jm_ | yang: you can check if it was written to a logfile later, but it usually isn't if it hangs like that |
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| 09:40.40 | cate | yang: you can take a photo. Test the memory with memtest86++ |
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| 09:41.20 | enrico1919 | jm_: you are the best!:D ...but now i must reboot?...it will work?:D |
| 09:41.58 | yang | jm_: "ls" was the only command that was responding, "ls -la" allready freezed the connection |
| 09:42.44 | enrico1919 | jm_: i try to reboot.....brrrrrrrrr |
| 09:43.03 | cate | enrico1919: you don't need to reoobt |
| 09:43.19 | jm_ | enrico1919: reboot? why? |
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| 09:43.29 | enrico1919 | and i can t select 1024x768...:( |
| 09:43.37 | cate | enrico1919: you don't need to reboot: logout and eventuali control-alt-backspace (to force restart of X) |
| 09:43.37 | jm_ | yang: doesn't sound very promising |
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| 09:44.13 | enrico1919 | jm_ : i must reboot x server you say? |
| 09:44.25 | enrico1919 | cate: i must restart X? |
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| 09:44.46 | cate | enrico1919: if you have changed the X configuration.. yes |
| 09:45.14 | enrico1919 | cate:....how?:D.....how restart X server? |
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| 09:45.42 | r3tex | anyone here tried sparse memory handling? |
| 09:45.47 | enrico1919 | cate: yes |
| 09:45.53 | enrico1919 | cate: :D |
| 09:45.57 | zu22 | what is sarge r2? i thought there was just 'sarge' |
| 09:45.58 | enrico1919 | who cate |
| 09:47.15 | enrico1919 | cate: how can i restart X server? |
| 09:47.18 | cate | enrico1919: control-alt-backspace |
| 09:47.34 | azeem | zu22: it's a point release |
| 09:47.50 | azeem | zu22: comprising the security updates and critical bugfixes |
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| 09:48.11 | carlb | my .xinitrc file is not being sourced on startx |
| 09:48.15 | carlb | any tips? |
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| 09:49.13 | carlb | I added fluxbox on top of a minimal debian install and now I am having issues |
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| 09:49.52 | carlb | getting the good stuff I have added in .xinitrc to load on login |
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| 09:52.45 | carlb | hmm, seems like it is xdm |
| 09:53.06 | carlb | that is not calling .initrc after I log in |
| 09:53.45 | jm_ | it uses .xsession |
| 09:54.08 | carlb | yeah, I figured out that much |
| 09:54.15 | carlb | I just do not know how |
| 09:54.19 | POVaddct | i usually symlink .xsession to .xinitrc |
| 09:54.25 | jm_ | ho what? |
| 09:54.27 | carlb | that caused a loop |
| 09:54.28 | jm_ | how eve |
| 09:54.48 | carlb | how to get the window manager to load .xintrc |
| 09:55.00 | carlb | if I put the stuff I want to load into .xsession |
| 09:55.07 | jm_ | it doesn't, instead you start window manager from .xsession |
| 09:55.19 | carlb | the windows load on top of the login dialog |
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| 09:55.51 | carlb | so I just enter the window manger name in .xession? |
| 09:56.29 | jm_ | yes, you can also start other apps from it (in the background, wm should be last and in foreground for most people) |
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| 09:58.07 | carlb | jm_: I added the window manager to the .xession file and my .xinitrc file is still not source |
| 09:58.15 | carlb | sourced |
| 09:58.28 | jm_ | carlb: you should move contents of it to .xsession |
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| 09:58.51 | carlb | but then I get them showing up on the login page (the windows) |
| 09:58.59 | carlb | and it loops (the login page) |
| 09:59.12 | jm_ | ehh? |
| 09:59.42 | carlb | I am probably doing something stupid |
| 09:59.50 | carlb | but I can not figure it out |
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| 10:00.08 | jm_ | they can't show on the login page, DM will execute it after you login |
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| 10:00.21 | carlb | let me try again then |
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| 10:01.46 | enrico1919 | ciao |
| 10:02.24 | enrico1919 | jm_ & cate: thank you very much! i m the first experience in debian distribution...it s great!:D |
| 10:02.42 | carlb | jm_: I moved the stuff to .xession and then when I logged in |
| 10:02.50 | carlb | the windows are drawn |
| 10:03.14 | zu22 | azeem: ok |
| 10:03.21 | jm_ | carlb: isn't that what you want? |
| 10:03.22 | carlb | and then in the background I am asked to log in again |
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| 10:04.32 | jm_ | I have no idea what kind of setup would achieve that :) |
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| 10:05.32 | enrico1919 | someone tell me how can i have a list of packages of a string...like firefox it? |
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| 10:05.52 | jm_ | I have troubles parsing your question |
| 10:06.20 | parag0n | apt-cache search firefox |
| 10:06.28 | enrico1919 | okkkkkkkkk:D thanks!! |
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| 10:06.53 | carlb | hmmm |
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| 10:07.17 | carlb | looking at something else... what runlevel should xdm be running in? |
| 10:07.26 | jm_ | default |
| 10:07.35 | carlb | which one is that :-) |
| 10:07.39 | carlb | 3? |
| 10:07.45 | jm_ | inittab file will tell you |
| 10:08.05 | carlb | can you check yours... I think this install might be off |
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| 10:08.16 | jm_ | well mine's the default, which is 2 |
| 10:08.22 | carlb | perfect |
| 10:08.24 | carlb | thanks |
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| 10:10.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:10.17 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:12.31 | enrico1919 | why when i try to start gtk application in root i have..:"Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed" |
| 10:14.29 | jm_ | !tell enrico1919 -about sux |
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| 10:15.05 | carlb | jm_: I removed something called login.app and that got rid of the strange behavior |
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| 10:15.12 | carlb | now I just have simple loop |
| 10:15.35 | tarzeau | !seen papo |
| 10:15.35 | dpkg | papo <~papo@cpe-24-90-47-224.nyc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 403d 5h 35m 29s ago, saying: 'no problem'. |
| 10:15.40 | tarzeau | !seen hal |
| 10:15.40 | dpkg | hal <n=hal@p54A33E01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 10h 39m 53s ago, saying: 'going to bed, sleep well @all'. |
| 10:15.45 | tarzeau | !seen halm |
| 10:15.45 | dpkg | tarzeau: i haven't seen 'halm' |
| 10:15.50 | carlb | xdm login... xdm login.... xdm login |
| 10:16.15 | carlb | hmmm, I think I might ditch xdm |
| 10:16.34 | enrico1919 | (firefox-bin:5311): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 10:20.10 | OrTigaS | hi i'm a new linux user and built a webserver to learn...my question is how can i access it thru internet if its behind a firewall... my 1st Q of n... |
| 10:20.31 | jm_ | is it running on the firewall? |
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| 10:21.00 | OrTigaS | behind a firewall |
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| 10:21.16 | tarzeau | OrTigaS: make a tcp redirect |
| 10:21.20 | jm_ | then you'll have to forward traffic to it, read iptables tutorial or use some other solution for it |
| 10:21.55 | OrTigaS | if i know the ip of firewall i can access my webserver? |
| 10:22.13 | OrTigaS | i tried locally and it works |
| 10:22.21 | jm_ | well you'll access it using your router's IP yes |
| 10:22.45 | OrTigaS | hmmm.. |
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| 10:23.16 | pinky | is there a utility to scan a commercial video DVD to see if it has CSS DRM on it or not? I think I have one that doesn't, and I'd like to check. |
| 10:23.52 | OrTigaS | ok thats my 1st Q.... another Q is how can i copy/transfer/import file from a Window box... my box running w/out GUI.. |
| 10:24.14 | jm_ | smbclient |
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| 10:27.57 | carlb | uninstalled login.app, uninstalled xdm, moved .xinitrc around, installed xdm, moved .xesession around, considering giving up (can just source the .xinitrc file for the next 24 hours I guess) |
| 10:28.04 | Tom_Beers | Hello, I am trying to get my wireless card working on my laptop. I ndiswrappered the drivers on, 'ndiswrapper -l' says they are there. But when I 'modprobe ndiswrapper' it says: "modprobe: Can't locate module ndiswrapper", how might I fix this? |
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| 10:30.39 | bibe | Tom_Beers : did you compile and install ndiswrapper module? |
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| 10:31.44 | Tom_Beers | Yeah, I used apt-get to do it |
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| 10:32.29 | DoktorPZ | hi all i hove some problem with kernel upgrade |
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| 10:33.04 | DoktorPZ | anybody have some time to help me or not? |
| 10:34.04 | SlammerXP | DoktorPZ: we have no idea, you haven't explained what the problem is. |
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| 10:34.59 | DoktorPZ | =) ok i have smp system with megaraid raid controller after apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp & reboot i got error |
| 10:35.05 | DoktorPZ | segmentation fault |
| 10:35.19 | DoktorPZ | megaraid module not tained for kernel |
| 10:36.18 | jm_ | did you check BTS? |
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| 10:36.31 | DoktorPZ | BTS ? |
| 10:36.36 | jm_ | yes |
| 10:36.46 | DoktorPZ | i think i must update module from my kernel but i must recompile module from sources or debian have some package fro that |
| 10:36.52 | DoktorPZ | sorry |
| 10:37.01 | DoktorPZ | i don`t know what is BTS |
| 10:37.07 | bibe | Tom_Beers : did you 'apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-$(uname -r)'? |
| 10:37.21 | jm_ | DoktorPZ: /msg dpkg bts |
| 10:37.27 | jm_ | DoktorPZ: where did you get this module then? |
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| 10:37.52 | jm_ | and the kernel? |
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| 10:39.06 | jm_ | ahh AMD64 port |
| 10:39.20 | DoktorPZ | nope em64T |
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| 10:39.28 | DoktorPZ | its intel |
| 10:39.37 | jm_ | yeah but this kernel is only available in AMD64 port |
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| 10:39.50 | Tom_Beers | Bibe: Well, I though I had o.O but the kernal version in the ndiswrapper-modules-x differ from uname -r, I guess I'll need to upgrade the kernal? |
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| 10:41.00 | Tom_Beers | (as the uname -r outputs '2.4.27.2-386' and the module is 'ndiswrapper-module-2.6.8-2-386') |
| 10:41.16 | jm_ | Tom_Beers: and you're wondering why modprobe can't find it? |
| 10:41.43 | nh2 | Hi, I've got a Sarge r0a set of CDs. Is it enough for me to download the two debian-update-3.1r2-i386-?.iso CDs or do I have to d/l the previous update first ? |
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| 10:43.00 | Tom_Beers | :< |
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| 10:45.09 | bibe | Tom_Beers : try 'apt-get install ndiswrapper-module-$(uname -r)' (not sure if such a package exists) |
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| 10:45.43 | bibe | sorry but I am working here an in my colleague's office at the same time... |
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| 10:46.15 | Rothgar` | I need help configuring a RAID1 anyone have experience :( |
| 10:46.38 | DoktorPZ | hardware or md? |
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| 10:46.46 | tarzeau | why can't bc do expr ^ expr-non-int ? |
| 10:46.54 | pinks | I need to reduce the size of a lot of images to a standard size - can anyone help me with imagemagick? |
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| 10:47.06 | Rothgar` | Well I don't think this on-board SATA controller is full hardware as both disks show up still in the Debian Partition screen |
| 10:47.14 | tarzeau | how can i calcuclat ein command line 8080^(1/3)? |
| 10:47.31 | liable | pinks: check the docs (usr/share) theres some good links in there |
| 10:47.42 | pinks | liable: thanks |
| 10:47.45 | Tom_Beers | Bibe, nah only the one I've got installed in there. |
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| 10:48.08 | Rothgar` | I found a guide that was using Knoppix, so I downloaded it and Knoppix seems hung :| |
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| 10:49.00 | liable | Rothgar`: so mark them as linux raid auto detect and let the installer make software raid for you |
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| 10:50.05 | r_marvin | tarzeau: echo "e(l(8080)/3)" | bc -l |
| 10:50.18 | jm_ | tarzeau: calc |
| 10:50.38 | r_marvin | use logarithms for funny exponentiations |
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| 10:51.17 | tarzeau | r_marvin: thank you! |
| 10:51.20 | nh2 | Hi, I've got a Sarge r0a set of CDs. Is it enough for me to download the two debian-update-3.1r2-i386-?.iso CDs or do I have to d/l the previous update first ? |
| 10:51.30 | liable | Rothgar`: for knoppix questions, ask #knoppix |
| 10:51.37 | r_marvin | tarzeau: you're welcome |
| 10:52.28 | liable | can you even get onboard hardware raid?? |
| 10:52.30 | fisrado | hi, i ma using debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso image to install debian, but every time i boot up am greeted with same error "No commaon CD-ROM drive was detected" even though the system is booted from the cd-rom |
| 10:52.45 | fisrado | where can i find more information regarding that |
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| 10:53.08 | fbred | Hey! I want apt-get dist-upgrade to ignore a dependencyproblem on a given package(fglrx-driver). Now, when I try to use apt-get, I am told to fix it with -f, but I don't want to. I tried to set a hold-selection on fglrx-driver, but it doesn't help. |
| 10:54.22 | Rothgar` | liable: how? |
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| 10:54.53 | liable | Rothgar`: in debian? its in the partitoning options |
| 10:55.24 | jm_ | pinks: man convert |
| 10:55.37 | Rothgar` | It keps telling me it couldn't find any autoconfig RAID partitions or something along those lines |
| 10:55.41 | Rothgar` | kept* |
| 10:56.02 | pinks | jm_ thanks |
| 10:56.12 | liable | or mogrify :) |
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| 10:56.46 | DoktorPZ | jm_ hehe |
| 10:57.01 | DoktorPZ | i just not run update-modules after upgrade kernel |
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| 10:58.17 | jm_ | DoktorPZ: that's a no-op for 2.6 kernel |
| 10:58.34 | nh2 | thank you for NOT helping me :-( |
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| 10:58.54 | jm_ | !+customer |
| 10:58.55 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 10:59.37 | liable | heh, impatient.. :) |
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| 11:00.47 | Rothgar` | Ok liable, I am at the partition screen |
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| 11:01.28 | Rothgar` | I click on "configure software RAID, then when I try to make a MD device and I select RAID1 it says: |
| 11:01.35 | liable | yes, look through the options, you can add disks to software raid |
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| 11:01.43 | liable | add the disks first |
| 11:01.51 | Rothgar` | No unused partitions of the type "Linux RAID Autodetect" are available |
| 11:02.07 | liable | set the partition type |
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| 11:03.07 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:03.07 | dpkg | i guess qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
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| 11:03.21 | Rothgar` | Hmm, I see |
| 11:03.22 | liable | hehe, thats a good one :) |
| 11:03.26 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 11:08.57 | roman | hi all! I changed a sarge install to testing but now i want to turn it back to sarge - the gcc version has been changed - how can i migrate back - is there a safe way to do so? |
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| 11:11.57 | nh2 | Hi, what are the packages in the 2 debian-update-3.1r2-i386-1.iso et debian-update-3.1r2-i386-2.iso CDs ?? the ones which had been updated and differ from sarge r1 or from sarge r0 ?? |
| 11:12.46 | nortel5521 | hi, i m installing debian from net install image, but everytime i am facing the same error "No Common CD_ROM drive was detected" even though the system is booted from the burned image |
| 11:12.59 | nortel5521 | how can i get the cdrom detected |
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| 11:13.49 | Tom_Beers | Right well, I upgraded the kernal, and now the module and uname match, but it's still not working, saying: "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found." :S |
| 11:13.50 | Rothgar` | Do you make / or /boot bootable? |
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| 11:14.27 | jm_ | does it boot to newly installed kernel? |
| 11:14.38 | Tom_Beers | Yeah |
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| 11:15.17 | jm_ | are you sure you're using the same version? run uname -r ; dpkg -l '*ndis*' |
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| 11:15.59 | Rothgar` | SO I set 1GB /boot, 20GB /, 2.7GB swap and 226GB /home and then have /boot as bootable, does that sound decent? |
| 11:16.08 | jm_ | 1G for /boot? you're insane |
| 11:16.27 | Rothgar` | Well I was thinking 200MB then I figured I have the room heh |
| 11:16.48 | SPF | 20MB would be nice |
| 11:16.52 | Tom_Beers | jm_: Yep, they all match. |
| 11:16.55 | nh2 | almost 800 persons and no one can tell me what are the packages in the 2 debian-update-3.1r2-i386-1.iso and debian-update-3.1r2-i386-2.iso CDs ?? the ones which had been updated and differ from sarge r1 or from sarge r0 ?? |
| 11:16.56 | jm_ | even 200M is an overkill |
| 11:17.08 | jm_ | Tom_Beers: do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 11:17.20 | Rothgar` | Ok well I'll take it to 200MB |
| 11:17.26 | Tom_Beers | Yeah |
| 11:17.39 | jm_ | Tom_Beers: please paste that output on some paste server |
| 11:18.05 | paxed | after update my box doesn't recognize /dev/hdd, an EZ-Drive'd HD. /etc/lilo.conf has line append="hdd=remap", and that used to work. Help? |
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| 11:18.58 | Nameeater | is this serious or ok? "This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad" |
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| 11:19.35 | Rothgar` | Ok so 200MB /boot, 2.7GB swap, 20GB / and 227GB /home and /boot is set to bootable |
| 11:19.42 | liable | yay, no work tommorow |
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| 11:20.07 | jm_ | Nameeater: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
| 11:20.20 | Rothgar` | I need some beer heh |
| 11:20.26 | liable | havent seen that one for a while.. |
| 11:20.39 | liable | Nameeater: what are you installing/upgrading? |
| 11:20.43 | Rothgar` | So does that disk layout look good? |
| 11:20.46 | Tom_Beers | jm_: How do I go about that? :S |
| 11:20.56 | jm_ | Tom_Beers: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 11:21.16 | liable | Rothgar`: that fine, very large for /, but thats ok |
| 11:21.22 | Tom_Beers | No, sorry I mean what am I meant to paste? |
| 11:21.33 | jm_ | uname -r and dpkg -l output |
| 11:21.34 | Rothgar` | Does only /boot need to be bootable? |
| 11:21.43 | Tom_Beers | oh right |
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| 11:22.02 | jm_ | Rothgar`: in theory nothing has to be, but some BIOS-es require it, so yeah, use boot |
| 11:22.12 | Rothgar` | Ah ok |
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| 11:22.23 | Nameeater | mimms but it happens on most things |
| 11:22.40 | liable | mimms? |
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| 11:23.33 | Nameeater | streaming media download app |
| 11:23.42 | Rothgar` | Ok now I need some help liable heh |
| 11:23.50 | liable | Nameeater: i meant what version of debian did you install .. |
| 11:24.03 | Rothgar` | I set the partition on SCSI1 which is really a SATA disk to raid and it's 250GB |
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| 11:24.21 | codename_willy | Hi Guys, I've a problem and I need some help. |
| 11:24.21 | liable | Rothgar`: huh? |
| 11:24.29 | Rothgar` | SCSI2 has one big partition of FREE SPACE and I couldn't set that to raid |
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| 11:24.37 | Rothgar` | I set the partition type to raid |
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| 11:25.02 | Rothgar` | Then I went through the software RAID option and it created a 250GB RAID1 device |
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| 11:25.23 | liable | Rothgar`: you need to set both disks to raid auto, then make software raid, then partition that. (as far as i remember) |
| 11:25.40 | Rothgar` | How can I set them to auto RAID?\ |
| 11:25.55 | liable | Rothgar`: keep playing, you'll get it eventually.. :) |
| 11:26.11 | codename_willy | I've a small network. Aserver with debian sarge 3.1. It has 2 NICs; one to Internet and other to the LAN. Ip forwarding is enabled and SNAT rule is also in place. Still I cant ping Internet with my lan interface. |
| 11:26.21 | Nameeater | liable: testing I believe |
| 11:26.31 | Rothgar` | liable: I have been playing for like 2 days lol |
| 11:26.42 | Ronin | i love it when theyre waiting for me in the stairwell first thing in the morning to squak at me about something |
| 11:26.42 | codename_willy | can any1 please help me? |
| 11:26.45 | liable | Rothgar`: oh dear. |
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| 11:27.18 | jelly-ho | codename_willy: is the default route set up? |
| 11:27.25 | SPF | what is the include directory for Makefile? /lib/modules/..../.... ? |
| 11:27.26 | Rothgar` | When I go to create a partition it only lists "physical volume for RAID" |
| 11:27.40 | SPF | Makefile for kernel modules |
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| 11:27.44 | Rothgar` | Or physical volume for LVM |
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| 11:28.06 | jm_ | SPF: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build is the right location for it |
| 11:28.15 | SPF | build doesnt exist |
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| 11:28.25 | jm_ | it does when you install the right package |
| 11:28.26 | SPF | do I need to install extra packages? |
| 11:28.32 | liable | SPF: the headers usually.. /usr/src or /lib/modules/foo/build (which is a link to /usr/source/foo-headers) |
| 11:28.33 | codename_willy | jelly-ho : default route? can you explain... |
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| 11:28.55 | SPF | I've installed kernel-headers kernel-tree and kernel-source |
| 11:28.55 | jm_ | kernel-headers-foo |
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| 11:29.10 | SPF | already installed, but still build doesnt exist |
| 11:29.18 | SPF | do I have to make a symlink to somewhere? |
| 11:29.26 | liable | SPF: you can try |
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| 11:29.31 | jm_ | it does, kernel-header packages create build symlink |
| 11:29.36 | codename_willy | jelly-ho : i dont know. how do I check that? |
| 11:29.38 | liable | SPF: but it *should* be done for you |
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| 11:30.17 | tespio | codename_willy: you can see it by typing "route -n". Anyway .. you need to setup your GW IP address as the default route. Try "route add default gw $GW_IP" |
| 11:30.27 | liable | codename_willy: in a term .. route |
| 11:30.31 | Rothgar` | Hmm |
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| 11:30.33 | SPF | modules/foo only has 3 subdirs (boot,initrd,kernel) some files and a symlink named source |
| 11:30.40 | Rothgar` | Interesting it let me make the second disk raid as well this time |
| 11:30.49 | Rothgar` | Maybe this will work, hopefully :| |
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| 11:31.46 | josh0001 | When do you guys think XGL will be finished and implemented on a stable build into debian? |
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| 11:32.46 | liable | josh0001: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#whataboutxgl |
| 11:32.53 | codename_willy | I've that default gw in place. |
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| 11:33.29 | liable | codename_willy: man route if you want to route internal stuff through nic 2 |
| 11:33.43 | liable | theres examples! :) |
| 11:34.04 | josh0001 | liable, What's an "upstream"? |
| 11:34.17 | liable | josh0001: the original devs |
| 11:34.42 | liable | josh0001: ie, the guys that actually code it, not the debian packagers |
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| 11:35.06 | tespio | codename_willy: your LAN nic has private class IP's ? |
| 11:35.11 | josh0001 | liable, what's going on with them then, why are they slacking? |
| 11:35.20 | liable | !+tell OrTigaS about away |
| 11:35.22 | dpkg | told OrTigaS about away (Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html) |
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| 11:35.28 | codename_willy | tespio: yes |
| 11:35.29 | liable | gah |
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| 11:36.17 | liable | josh0001: dude, are you paying them? if the answer is yes, then you can demand an answer. |
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| 11:37.09 | josh0001 | liable, I would pay them if i knew they were going to increase the pac |
| 11:37.12 | josh0001 | pace* |
| 11:37.17 | liable | josh0001: i am sure they are trying |
| 11:37.22 | liable | josh0001: sure... |
| 11:37.36 | josh0001 | liable, how many dev's do they have? |
| 11:38.08 | liable | josh0001: no idea. i actually know nothing about it, try and find a mailing list for it. |
| 11:38.34 | josh0001 | liable, are you not bothered about xgl? |
| 11:38.38 | liable | there may even be an #xgl channel somewhere |
| 11:38.50 | Rothgar` | Arg |
| 11:39.01 | Rothgar` | Why is it so hard to create my simple RAID :| |
| 11:39.03 | liable | josh0001: i have a 3yr old laptop as my main box, so, not really. |
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| 11:39.27 | liable | actually, i guess its almost 4 now. :( |
| 11:39.28 | codename_willy | tespio: thanks, I hope this works. |
| 11:39.28 | jepler | is there any documentation for module-assistant besides that in the deb? In particular, documentation for someone writing a kernel module to be used with module-assistant? |
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| 11:39.49 | Rothgar` | liable: I should be using the software RAID in addition to the controller RAID1 I have already created right? |
| 11:39.58 | L33TrDaNu | hello everyone. i've got a debian box running unstable/testing, and it seems to be stuck with udev dependencies |
| 11:40.03 | jm_ | jepler: you mean preparing a package? |
| 11:40.03 | SPF | if there is a way to manually add a symlink from /lib/modules/foo/build, where should it point to? |
| 11:40.07 | jepler | jm_: yes |
| 11:40.10 | josh0001 | liable, it's really annoying, like, i installed mepis the other day, been playing with it, and now i've accidently messed up the boot procedure, and it won't start.. I'm getting to support from mepis lovers forum nor the official one, i'm heacvily consdiering switching to kubuntu |
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| 11:40.36 | L33TrDaNu | udev wont install becaue it depends on hotplug newer then version X. So I manually install hotplug X. Then udev tries to remove hotplug, and install, but complains it can't because there is no hotplug |
| 11:40.45 | josh0001 | *i'm getting no support |
| 11:41.27 | liable | Rothgar`: erm. all you need to do is set the two disks to raid auto, then select the make raid volume, then partition it. i havent done it for a while and the exact procedure escapes me. |
| 11:41.51 | liable | josh0001: why are you asking here then? |
| 11:41.56 | Rothgar` | Where is this magic raid auto, sounds like I would love it |
| 11:42.04 | liable | josh0001: you know theres a live xgl cd? |
| 11:42.20 | josh0001 | liable, nope i had no idea, i just thought you guys might know if i should switch |
| 11:42.26 | L33TrDaNu | if you try to install a package and it wont install because of dependencies, is there a way to cancel the *install*. Everytime I do anything apt-get'ish, it tries to run through the last install I attempted |
| 11:42.32 | Rothgar` | I see both my 250GB SATA's I set both of them to have a 250GB partition of type raid |
| 11:42.56 | liable | josh0001: we do debian. not mepis/ubuntu/knoppix/ubuntu/kanotix et al |
| 11:43.03 | Gnea | !dbugs 361741 |
| 11:43.07 | dpkg | DONE:#361741:I[klibc-utils] Fail to mount root filesystem; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:33:02 UTC |
| 11:43.07 | Rothgar` | I can run through the software RAID setup and it created RAID1 device, when I try to write changes to it after I set my partitions it says trouble reading the device and errors |
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| 11:44.10 | jm_ | jepler: HOWTO-DEVEL.gz not good enough? |
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| 11:45.11 | codename_willy | tespio: well, i didn't know this. I m replying here coz i am not a 'reg' user. hope u don't mind |
| 11:45.25 | liable | josh0001: check kororaa |
| 11:45.31 | tespio | codename_willy: no problem |
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| 11:46.13 | jm_ | L33TrDaNu: yes |
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| 11:46.16 | jepler | jm_: well, I'm trying to understand some files I got from someone else who is suggesting I use m-a. In particular, he included a binary file I can't identify with the name 'debian/rules.modules'. I was hoping to find some docs explaning what it was. |
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| 11:46.34 | jm_ | jepler: I see, maybe try asking on mailing list(s) |
| 11:46.42 | Rothgar` | "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of RAID1 device #0 failed." |
| 11:47.21 | jepler | jm_: so you've never heard of having a binary 'rules.modules' file for m-a? |
| 11:47.21 | josh0001 | liable, what's so special about gentoo? |
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| 11:47.43 | jm_ | jepler: I am not really familiar with it, I have only used it as user to create packages for two modules |
| 11:47.46 | liable | josh0001: ffs, its xgl. |
| 11:48.03 | josh0001 | liable, why are you getting your pants in a twist, jesus. |
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| 11:48.07 | jepler | jm_: ok, and thanks for your time |
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| 11:48.28 | jm_ | jepler: no worries, I didn't really help |
| 11:48.38 | codename_willy | tespio: the rules you told me have eth0 connected to internet and eth1 to LAN, right? |
| 11:48.47 | liable | josh0001: because i give you a link for your much wanted xgl, and you ask me why gentoo is special. |
| 11:48.52 | ranpha | hi, i'm installing vmware and i get the message that he can't find my c header files. Which file do i need to install then (i have kernel build 2.8.16-1) |
| 11:49.05 | tespio | codename_willy: yes |
| 11:49.12 | josh0001 | liable, still no reason to get stressy |
| 11:49.13 | L33TrDaNu | i get "udev: Depends: hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17)", and i have "udev: Depends: hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-25)" installed |
| 11:49.16 | L33TrDaNu | but udev still complains |
| 11:49.17 | L33TrDaNu | wtf |
| 11:49.19 | codename_willy | tespio:thanks again. |
| 11:49.26 | tespio | codename_willy: it assumes eth0 is the external NIC (to your ISP) and eth1 to your LAN |
| 11:49.28 | L33TrDaNu | err.. |
| 11:49.33 | tespio | codename_willy: you welcome |
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| 11:49.43 | liable | josh0001: i am not stressed, you are just pissing me off! :P |
| 11:49.46 | L33TrDaNu | wrong paste... i have hotplug 0.0.20040329-25 installed |
| 11:50.37 | L33TrDaNu | do i even need udev ? |
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| 11:51.16 | tactless | I'm looking to impose a per-user, rechargable, user-visible print-quota in my lab, using CUPS as the printing system. Are there any other solutions for this besides Pykota? |
| 11:51.24 | jm_ | new Debian's kernels need udev |
| 11:51.36 | liable | L33TrDaNu: no, you dont *need* udev, unless you have gnome (even then you can prolly have gnome but without bits) |
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| 11:51.52 | L33TrDaNu | liable, ok, i want to run kde |
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| 11:52.00 | ranpha | hi, i'm installing vmware and i get the message that he can't find my c header files. Which file do i need to install then (i have kernel build 2.8.16-1) |
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| 11:52.29 | parag0n | no you don't |
| 11:52.36 | ranpha | kernel 2.6.1-1 i mean...duh |
| 11:52.37 | liable | jm_: oh, the actually need it? cant you have static dev? |
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| 11:52.51 | ranpha | not really my day 2.6.16-1... |
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| 11:53.08 | jm_ | liable: hmm p.d.o says they don't |
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| 11:53.32 | jm_ | liable: ahh initramfs-tools needs it ;) |
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| 11:53.45 | goron | I have a HP PSC1400 connected to a Windows machine. I want to print from this Linux machine to the Windows printer. The printer is listed under smbclient. The problem is that the printer task is only "queued", not actually "printed". |
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| 11:53.48 | liable | jm_: yeah, just checked myself, no depends on the actuall kernel atm. |
| 11:53.51 | liable | jm_: oh |
| 11:53.55 | L33TrDaNu | ok... now i get error "this versin of udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12)" I currently run 2.6.8. If I try to upgrade to 2.6.15 it wont install because of dependencies on udev |
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| 11:54.30 | L33TrDaNu | i think i am going to start this installation over |
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| 11:54.59 | liable | jm_: yaird doesnt though, though i dunno what the story is with those two |
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| 11:56.08 | azeem | how can I easily convert a hexadecimal to a string WEP passphrase? |
| 11:56.10 | azeem | w 44 |
| 11:56.21 | jm_ | liable: indeed |
| 11:56.33 | ranpha | hi, i'm installing vmware and i get the message that he can't find my c header files. Which file do i need to install then (i have kernel build 2.6.16-1) |
| 11:56.39 | jm_ | azeem: how does it looks like? |
| 11:56.41 | L33TrDaNu | azeem, i don't know if you can. Aren't WEP keys a hash of a passphrase ? |
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| 11:57.31 | jm_ | ranpha: install build-essential |
| 11:57.31 | azeem | jm_: well, I got a hexadecimal WEP key, but in some code, I need to enter it as a string |
| 11:58.00 | azeem | does iwconfig always display the hexadecimal passphrase? |
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| 11:58.04 | jm_ | azeem: you mean you have actual binary value that you want to convert to string? |
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| 11:58.33 | azeem | jm_: you can enter WEP keys either as hexadecimal or as a string (with a s: in front of it), AFAIK |
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| 11:59.21 | liable | i dunno if you can actually convert them |
| 11:59.42 | azeem | ok, thanks |
| 11:59.57 | ranpha | jm_ and then? |
| 11:59.59 | jm_ | azeem: sorry, I am not really familiar with this, I thought you want some shell/perl magic to do a conversion based on some simple algorithm :) |
| 12:00.03 | jm_ | ranpha: then try again |
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| 12:00.37 | ranpha | jm_ still needs those c header files |
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| 12:00.39 | L33TrDaNu | azeem, entering a strgin passphrase, just makes it easier for you to remember what it is. It will convert that to a hexadecimal one-way hash |
| 12:00.49 | L33TrDaNu | ranpha, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.16 |
| 12:00.53 | azeem | hrm, maybe I don't need it anyway |
| 12:00.55 | L33TrDaNu | ranpha: or something similar |
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| 12:01.06 | jethro | azeem: yes, it always does as per my experience. |
| 12:01.11 | jm_ | ranpha: do you have libc6-dev installed? |
| 12:01.24 | jethro | azeem: even when you set it with key s:fookey |
| 12:01.31 | azeem | jethro: ok |
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| 12:02.13 | ranpha | yeah did that but still get that message...and libc6-dev is installed |
| 12:02.35 | L33TrDaNu | ranpha: maybe it is not finding your headers |
| 12:02.38 | liable | what header files? |
| 12:02.57 | L33TrDaNu | kernel-headers or libc6-dev headers.... ? |
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| 12:04.07 | ranpha | Well.. i even tried to tell the install program where the header files where but then it says that is doesn't contain linux/version.h and tells me to rebuild the kernel |
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| 12:04.13 | borco | hi |
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| 12:04.33 | liable | !find version.h |
| 12:04.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'version.h' (7 of 82): (/usr/include/ion3/version.h) in devel/ion3-dev ;; (/usr/include/ion2/version.h) in devel/ion2-dev ;; (/usr/include/gaim/version.h) in devel/gaim-dev ;; (/usr/include/csound/version.h) in sound/csound ;; (/usr/include/inn/inn/version.h) in devel/inn2-dev ;; (/usr/include/dx/version.h) in libdevel/libdx4-dev ;; (/usr/include/cdio/version.h) in devel/libcdio-dev. |
| 12:04.59 | liable | meh |
| 12:05.17 | Readon | how to install gcc2.95 from apt-get source? is there any stuff about it? |
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| 12:05.27 | liable | ranpha: you said you have kernel-headers? |
| 12:05.29 | SpAnIaRd | hello |
| 12:05.36 | SpAnIaRd | anyone know how to check runlevels in debian |
| 12:05.39 | jm_ | ranpha: you need kernel-headers for version.h ... |
| 12:05.41 | SpAnIaRd | e.g. chkconfig --list or something? |
| 12:05.47 | ranpha | liable : yes ...got the linux header from backports |
| 12:05.48 | jm_ | !tell SpAnIaRd -about services |
| 12:05.55 | liable | !runlevels |
| 12:05.56 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
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| 12:06.43 | borco | last week-end i had to reinstall my Win$$. of course, it overwrote my mbr and lost the grub configuration. after some work, i've been able to restore it, but I want to know: having a debian installation, how do you make a rescue bootable floppy (or CD image/usb stick)? i'm using unstable. |
| 12:06.50 | liable | ranpha: huh? what are you running sarge with 2.6.16? |
| 12:07.06 | liable | duh |
| 12:07.18 | Readon | how to install gcc2.95 from apt-get source? is there any stuff about it? |
| 12:07.25 | ranpha | liable yes...i need to get support for my chipset..and etch was still to shaky for me |
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| 12:08.26 | liable | ranpha: is there a build link in /lib/modules/?? if all else fails you could get the source and make the headers |
| 12:08.54 | liable | Readon: erm, apt-cache search gcc?? |
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| 12:09.04 | ranpha | liable: there is a build link yes |
| 12:09.15 | bibe | ranpha : tried www.backports.org? You can have a Sid kernel built for Sarge |
| 12:10.00 | ranpha | I have the sid kenrle build for sarge...that's the problem i think...becuase on my laptop everthing went fine with one click |
| 12:10.01 | alexscott | !find gcc-2.95 |
| 12:10.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gcc-2.95' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/gcc-2.95) in devel/gcc-2.95 ;; (/usr/lib/ccache/{gcc-2.95|i486-linux-gnu-gcc-2.95}) in devel/ccache ;; (/usr/lib/distcc/{gcc-2.95|i486-linux-gnu-gcc-2.95}) in devel/distcc ;; (/usr/src/kernel-patches/m68k/2.4.27/patches/gcc-2.95.diff.gz) in devel/kernel-patch-2.4.27-m68k. |
| 12:10.47 | liable | borco: hit google, theres a miriad of rescue discs that can re-install grub for you, the install cd is of course able to as well.. |
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| 12:11.22 | carlb | hi, have a quick question... how do I reconfigure an x11 install ? |
| 12:11.31 | liable | !drxx carlb |
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| 12:11.32 | dpkg | carlb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:11.33 | carlb | dpkg-reconfigure ..... |
| 12:11.38 | Readon | liable: apt-get source gcc-2.95, i got the source but it remains a lot of zip file, i don't whether there is a script to apply patch on that zip file |
| 12:11.39 | borco | liable, the one from sarge? |
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| 12:12.12 | liable | borco: certainly |
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| 12:12.21 | ranpha | liable: there is a build link yes |
| 12:12.31 | liable | Readon: what are you wanting to do with it? |
| 12:12.49 | goron | I have this exact same bug, but then in Debian: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/39484 |
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| 12:13.07 | liable | ranpha: well, if it points to the headers, then all should be well. so i dont really know. sorry. |
| 12:13.13 | Readon | liable, i want to compile a cross-compiler |
| 12:13.19 | Readon | for arm |
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| 12:13.54 | ranpha | liable....if i install etch..you think the problem will go away?? then i have the official build files |
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| 12:14.34 | liable | ranpha: i dont know, you might want to ask the vmware people |
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| 12:15.14 | liable | ranpha: the headers should be fine, i dont think installing etch will help. |
| 12:15.40 | ranpha | mmm thnx...i will try try a stable kernel 2.8.2 see if it installs then |
| 12:15.53 | liable | Readon: you mean .gz? gunzip and patch then tar up and build? |
| 12:16.07 | liable | Readon: or just get a tarball and patch |
| 12:16.14 | borco | liable, thanx. I used an old bootable cd (pre-sarge) and I ended loosing my fstab. I hope this was the only file lost ... the only path I could follow was to detect hardware and select what to mount (without deleting existing data). the installation stoped at that point telling me an existing installation was in the way. at that point I chrooted in the console from F2 and 'grub-install /dev/hda'. It worked but I lost my original /etc/fstab, as I said. |
| 12:17.01 | borco | liable, so, is the sarge cd smart than this? |
| 12:17.03 | liable | borco: thats exactly how you do it, i have no idea why your fstab went awol |
| 12:17.34 | liable | borco: no, the etch cd has a rescue mode, but it just does the mount/chroot for you, same thing. |
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| 12:18.32 | borco | liable, because it was overwriten by the selection made in the first step. probably, the installer wrote the file in /target/etc/fstab without checking if there is an already existing file. |
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| 12:18.55 | carlb | thanks dpkg :-) |
| 12:18.55 | dpkg | carlb: no worries |
| 12:19.05 | carlb | (is dpkg a bot?) |
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| 12:19.10 | Readon | liable: i got the source by using 'apt-get source gcc-2.95' and that doesn't make me retrieving a source file. but a tarball, i don't know whether a patch is needed and where to find the patch |
| 12:19.13 | weissi | !what are you |
| 12:19.14 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 12:19.30 | liable | borco: no, it doesnt touch your disk untill you commit to write in the partitioner, and after that, it is all gone |
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| 12:20.22 | borco | liable, heh, this is what I've done. but it bailed out saying there is already some linux installed. |
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| 12:21.09 | liable | borco: http://liable.mine.nu/debian/grub-reinstall.html |
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| 12:21.30 | liable | borco: hopefully it explains a little |
| 12:21.40 | borco | liable, ok. thanx. |
| 12:22.03 | liable | Readon: you have lost me now |
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| 12:24.34 | borco | liable, nice. it's a pitty I didn't have it last Sunday ... |
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| 12:26.45 | Rothgar` | liable: It might just be working... |
| 12:27.03 | Readon | liable: What do you mean? |
| 12:27.18 | Rothgar` | I ended up creating seperate raid partitions on both dsks for each volume I wanted then using the software RAID |
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| 12:28.17 | Readon | liable: i got the source by using 'apt-get source gcc-2.95' |
| 12:28.36 | liable | Readon: yes, and you want apply a patch to it? |
| 12:29.02 | Readon | liable: when i enter the dir i see a dir named debian and three tar files gcc-xxx.tar.bz2 gpc-xxx.tar.gz libg++-xxx.tar.gz |
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| 12:29.31 | Readon | liable: i want to compile the gcc with source |
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| 12:29.54 | Readon | liable: i don't know whether the tar files is patched or not |
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| 12:30.19 | jmd_ | Is there a common dir that games store their high scores or is it different for each game? |
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| 12:30.44 | liable | Readon: why do you want to compile it though? |
| 12:30.45 | jethro | Readon: why compile gcc? |
| 12:30.49 | weissi | jmd_, different for each game |
| 12:31.09 | weissi | jmd_, normally something like ~/.<gamename>* |
| 12:31.27 | Readon | liable: i compile it to make a cross toolchain for arm dev |
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| 12:31.46 | efaistos | hi |
| 12:31.52 | liable | Readon: ok, but what do you need to do to it? |
| 12:31.59 | jmd_ | weissi: That can't be right. It can't be in a home dir or it wouldn't have access to other users. |
| 12:32.03 | efaistos | do you have an idea when vim 7 will be in unstable ? |
| 12:32.14 | liable | Readon: you may be best off, just getting a tarball of it. |
| 12:32.34 | jethro | Readon: why not using an already existing cross compiling toolchain for arm? |
| 12:33.07 | azeem | efaistos: http://www.inittab.de/blog/debian/20060508_vim7-released!.html |
| 12:33.22 | weissi | jmd_, users only have write permission on ~, /var/tmp and /tmp normally; whats the game's name? (normally highscores for each user) |
| 12:33.33 | efaistos | did you read that --> http://multiarch.alioth.debian.org/dpkg2.pdf |
| 12:33.35 | Readon | liable: i like debian so i want to try |
| 12:33.37 | efaistos | azeem: thanks |
| 12:33.49 | azeem | efaistos: I skimmed it |
| 12:34.07 | azeem | skimmed over it, even |
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| 12:34.19 | Readon | jethro: i didn't find a perfect. always error reported when i compile the kernel |
| 12:34.25 | Rothgar` | This install seems very very slow, how can I check performance on the system? |
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| 12:35.14 | jethro | Readon: http://www.emdebian.org/crosstools.html sounds like something you'd want to try. |
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| 12:35.34 | Vme | hello |
| 12:35.47 | Vme | does anyone know what "stradis" is on my debian box? |
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| 12:35.49 | jmd_ | weissi: /var/games --- thanks. That's the info was after. |
| 12:36.00 | eps | so yeah, nvidia fails :| |
| 12:36.06 | Readon | jethro: i must use gcc 2.95 for compiling kernel 2.4.18 |
| 12:36.07 | jethro | Readon: there, you'll find existing toolchains, or a step by step guide to creating your own. |
| 12:36.08 | liable | Rothgar`: have you ever installed windows? debian takes less than half normally |
| 12:36.17 | jethro | Readon: 2.4.18? |
| 12:36.24 | Readon | jethro: sure |
| 12:36.32 | jethro | Readon: mind if I ask why 2.4.18 ? |
| 12:36.36 | Rothgar` | liable: No I want to check performance of disks etc |
| 12:36.39 | ranpha | liable: i hate windows....especiialy when you always run sp2 ...you reinstall and poef...sp2 won't boot anymore |
| 12:37.00 | Rothgar` | liable: It's downloading at like 1KB-30KB and I usually get around 100KB |
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| 12:37.17 | weissi | jmd_, ahh cool, didn't know that, my games always write to ~/.blah (don't have much of them) and I think I'm not in the games group *g* |
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| 12:37.17 | Rothgar` | When I make a selection in the installer too it takes a while not instant |
| 12:37.37 | Readon | jethro: many work have been done on it, i have to work on the way others makes to me. but today, the env broken |
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| 12:39.03 | liable | Rothgar`: the download rate is a product of the mirrors. you should get quicker than that from a debian one, give it a bit. you have to wait untill its installed to check disk stats |
| 12:39.06 | ourbbs | if when compiling a kernel you mark something a module and that device is not in your computer at boot up is the device driver loaded into memory |
| 12:39.40 | ourbbs | if the device is in your computer will it load automatically |
| 12:40.29 | Rothgar` | Now the Configuration seems hung |
| 12:40.31 | Vme | i have a video card that suggests it goes on its own interrupt, how can I change a PCI cards interrupt? |
| 12:40.32 | Rothgar` | I can access tty2 though :( |
| 12:40.33 | cahoot | ourbbs: only if the system is set up to do so via hotplug f ex |
| 12:40.34 | ourbbs | if you mark it kernel will the dive driver allway be loaded even if the device is not present at boot up |
| 12:40.56 | Rothgar` | liable: I'll log into tty2 can you tell me how to get some performance stats? |
| 12:41.32 | ourbbs | hotplug f ex is that short for something |
| 12:41.39 | liable | Rothgar`: you cant untill debian is installed (you need hdparm for disk stats) |
| 12:41.59 | liable | speed stats.. |
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| 12:42.26 | Rothgar` | Hmm my text in tty2 stopped |
| 12:42.33 | cahoot | ourbbs: hotplug is a mechanism by which module loading can be 'automated' in relation to hw present on the system |
| 12:43.18 | liable | Rothgar`: dude, just be patient, we dont need a blow by blow account of your install. |
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| 12:43.24 | Rothgar` | wtf, I can't type in tty2 but I can type in tty3 |
| 12:43.29 | Rothgar` | lol |
| 12:43.36 | jm_ | ROFFLE |
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| 12:43.55 | Rothgar` | liable: It doesn't seem normal |
| 12:44.06 | ourbbs | if you have a device that is not allways in your computer is it best to mark it as module to save memmory and cpu load |
| 12:44.26 | Tassium | ourbbs: If it isn't in your computer, it won't be burning up CPU time |
| 12:45.25 | ourbbs | i have a 200mhz single board computer with only 128meg ram and wantt to save the cpu and memory |
| 12:45.41 | Rothgar` | Right |
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| 12:46.06 | Rothgar` | Yeah liable it just froze for about 2-3 minutes and then it completed everything it was doing |
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| 12:47.08 | ourbbs | even if its loaded as kernel and module i allso have only 128meg space to store debian |
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| 12:48.14 | hashendgame | pardon if this is a stupid question, but what's the difference between emacs and xemacs, if both seem to be able to take advantage of X? |
| 12:48.27 | azeem | hashendgame: xemacs is a fork of GNU emacs |
| 12:48.37 | azeem | they mostly have the same functionality |
| 12:48.38 | ourbbs | if you have a computer with a flash drive that it boots from can you still store the kernel in the hard drive but boot from the flash memory |
| 12:48.56 | hashendgame | azeem: ok, thanks |
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| 12:49.07 | ourbbs | hmmm i think i have a lote of reading ahead of me |
| 12:49.35 | Tassium | ourbbs: What are you building? |
| 12:49.43 | liable | ourbbs: ooh, that sounds funky :) |
| 12:50.06 | ourbbs | a outdoor ap for local,s |
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| 12:50.27 | ourbbs | a wifi ap |
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| 12:51.12 | liable | ourbbs: 128 MB should be plenty for that sort of thing, i dont you should worry too much |
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| 12:51.18 | Rothgar` | Bah, there is something wrong with my setup, this freezing for 2-3 minutes at a time would also explain the package downloading as well, maybe the RAID is degrading the performance or something |
| 12:51.35 | Tassium | ourbbs: I agree with liable; focus on getting the wireless right, and the security for it right and don't worry about the kernel so much |
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| 12:52.02 | dwclarkNU | i'm looking for a dynamic dns client that works with registerfly for debian, any suggestions? |
| 12:52.02 | |ac3| | i have a strage problem with slapd on debian sarge (version 2.2.23-8) I configured a replica, the replogfile is created, but nothing is written to it. |
| 12:52.10 | |ac3| | What could that be? |
| 12:52.15 | liable | hmm, there was supposed to be a <think> in that comment :) |
| 12:52.21 | DireFog | hi... quick question: where can I find what DMA mode a harddrive is using? (kernel 2.6.16) |
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| 12:52.27 | ourbbs | there is a redhat 7 image on the unit allready but i want to flash it with debian like this computer to save learning two ways of doing thinks |
| 12:52.33 | Tassium | DireFog: hdparm |
| 12:52.34 | liable | DireFog: hdparm |
| 12:52.46 | jm_ | DireFog: you can query it with hdparm or look in /proc/ide, some drives will dump the info there |
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| 12:53.06 | liable | Tassium: awww, you could at least !beer me :P |
| 12:53.49 | DireFog | hdparm gives "using_dma = 1 (on)", which is pretty much meaningless. The VIA driver stopped having meaningful stuff in /proc somewhere between 2.4.31 and 2.6.x |
| 12:54.26 | jm_ | yes, and it also has other options, not just -d ... |
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| 12:54.43 | DireFog | -X isr write-only |
| 12:54.48 | sanso | Hi everyone, I'm trying to boot a machine on linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp, but the boot fails saying "waiting n seconds for /sys/block/sda/dev/ to appear" |
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| 12:54.57 | ourbbs | is it true you can compile the kernel on one computer then install it into another |
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| 12:55.07 | DireFog | ourbbs: yes |
| 12:55.18 | sanso | My machine has the root filesystem on a aic79xx-controlled scsi-disk |
| 12:55.25 | DireFog | but if it's a different architecture you need a cross-compiler |
| 12:55.30 | sanso | I googled, but to no avail |
| 12:55.38 | sanso | any hints on what to do? |
| 12:55.52 | ourbbs | i have a config file from the redhat install can i use this to load the config on the debien kernel |
| 12:56.07 | ourbbs | preselect thingy |
| 12:56.30 | treestone | ourbbs: Put the old .config in place and start with 'make oldconfig' |
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| 12:57.05 | sanso | ourbbs, You might run into trouble if debian and redhat included different patches in their kernel sources. |
| 12:57.21 | liable | sanso: wild guess. blame udev! |
| 12:57.21 | ourbbs | this irc is great saves a lot of time now atleast i know where to start |
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| 12:57.39 | Rothgar` | Could this slowness be because of my RAID setup? |
| 12:57.40 | nep | HELP MI |
| 12:57.46 | DireFog | turns out dmesg knows best. |
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| 12:57.51 | sanso | liable, did so, and installed the latest etchy version, but - no can do, still. |
| 12:57.58 | liable | Rothgar`: shouldnt be |
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| 12:58.02 | azeem | nep: state your problem |
| 12:58.13 | nep | HABLAS ESPAÑOL |
| 12:58.15 | typewriter | this server is displaying in another language, like apt-get output and such, how do i change it back to english? |
| 12:58.17 | azeem | !es |
| 12:58.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:58.20 | DireFog | Rothgar`: software RAID? are you sure it's not scanning or rebuilding in the background? |
| 12:58.32 | Rothgar` | liable: For example, I am now on the packages selection screen and I scrolled down to metacity and now it has been hung for abour 3 minutes |
| 12:58.32 | liable | sanso: purge it? |
| 12:58.33 | nep | SOY NUEVO EN ESTE SISTEMA Y ESTOY CON TODAS LAS GANAS DE APRENDER MAS |
| 12:58.35 | jm_ | typewriter: change locale settings |
| 12:58.40 | dwclarkNU | i'm looking for a dynamic dns client that works with registerfly for debian, any suggestions? |
| 12:58.43 | liable | nep: no need to yell |
| 12:58.47 | sanso | liable, purge udev and go on without? |
| 12:58.47 | typewriter | how do i do that without changing the timezone? |
| 12:58.51 | typewriter | i want to keep the time right |
| 12:59.01 | jm_ | it has got nothing to do with the timezone |
| 12:59.02 | liable | sanso: definately worth a try |
| 12:59.03 | weissi | typewriter, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:59.10 | sanso | okay, will do :-D |
| 12:59.16 | liable | sanso: you may lose gnome shits if you have it |
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| 12:59.25 | sanso | cYa around in a couple of minutes :-) |
| 12:59.31 | nep | ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAÑOL |
| 12:59.35 | treestone | !es |
| 12:59.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:59.39 | treestone | nep: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 12:59.53 | ourbbs | right i have the patch,s from the boards web site for this board are patch,s distro specific there using the same version of kernel |
| 12:59.57 | sanso | nep, turn off CAPS LOCK, will You? |
| 12:59.58 | typewriter | thanks... do i want en_US.UTF or en_US.ISO ? |
| 13:00.07 | sanso | typewriter, UTF |
| 13:00.20 | sanso | brb |
| 13:00.47 | weissi | typewriter, you can also use "no language", then you can just choose nothing... |
| 13:00.57 | blondie | nep just needs a kick ;) |
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| 13:01.39 | DireFog | nice. Guess what went wrong: "eth%d: NE2000 found at 0x240, using IRQ 5." |
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| 13:02.37 | liable | Rothgar`: doing what? downloading? |
| 13:02.50 | Rothgar` | liable: No scrolling... |
| 13:03.13 | CoolCubix | Do you know if Cyrix Gxi86 is a 386 processor ? |
| 13:03.29 | nep | i am a new user to whom interests to him to learn but of ubuntu |
| 13:03.32 | Rothgar` | I am thinking of maybe destroying the RAID1 on the controller and just trying software RAID1 |
| 13:03.50 | Rothgar` | Instead of having both, I don't know why the performance would be this bad |
| 13:04.09 | Tassium | Rothgar`: You're running a software raid on top of a hardware raid? |
| 13:04.44 | Rothgar` | Tassium: The on-board controller when I created a RAID1 still showed two drives in the Debian partition manager so I assume it's not full hardware |
| 13:04.51 | liable | Rothgar`: erm, i think you will find your controller doesnt do raid at all in linux, thats why you see two disks. |
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| 13:05.07 | liable | Rothgar`: its a fake raid |
| 13:05.47 | liable | Rothgar`: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 13:05.54 | Rothgar` | liable: Most likely, shall I kill the controller RAID and just use software see if it's any better? |
| 13:06.02 | nep | I need plugin to install of where I can lower them somebody can give a paguina me to unload them |
| 13:06.18 | pipeline | CoolCubix: mediagx is a 486, IIRC |
| 13:06.32 | liable | Rothgar`: you still need the raid controller set in bios though |
| 13:06.43 | CoolCubix | pipeline> mediagx ? is that the same ? |
| 13:07.04 | typewriter | i see user 'ezad' in my passwd, is that something? |
| 13:07.11 | typewriter | something a program mightve added |
| 13:07.19 | Rothgar` | liable: You mean leave it enabled in BIOS just destroy the RAID in the controller configuration? |
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| 13:08.17 | treestone | nep: plugin for what? |
| 13:08.17 | sep | Rothgar`, perhaps the controller in questions have poor support in linux and are running slow. or even worse without dma.. |
| 13:08.18 | liable | Rothgar`: i have one, i cant remeber what i did, but yes, you need it still "on", but its not raid per say |
| 13:08.25 | SpAnIaRd | hello could someone help me with a postfix problem i am having? |
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| 13:08.35 | nep | for imagin |
| 13:08.36 | Tassium | SpAnIaRd: Just describe the problem and we'll let you know |
| 13:08.45 | treestone | nep: What application? |
| 13:08.57 | CoolCubix | pipeline> the problem is I have a tiny computer quite old, with a Cyrix Gxi86, and it can't run linux kernel. The reason I found was it wasn't able to find his own CD device while scanning all /dev/ |
| 13:09.08 | weissi | typewriter, is this a lended "root-server" ? |
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| 13:09.12 | SpAnIaRd | i have just set it up as a mail gateway for exchange and this is what i get when i send a message through Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table |
| 13:09.25 | nep | in order to see images and flash |
| 13:09.25 | typewriter | weissi: yes |
| 13:09.45 | Tassium | SpAnIaRd: Sounds like you're not sending a message THROUGH it but rather TO it |
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| 13:09.49 | Rothgar` | liable: Right so don't use the controller to do RAID and just make pure software via Debian? |
| 13:09.52 | weissi | typewriter, ezad is the graphical websetup thing similar to confixx or plesk |
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| 13:09.55 | SpAnIaRd | i have it so it's working with spamassasin and clamav and want it to just pass mail through to the exchange server for it to decide |
| 13:09.57 | treestone | nep: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:10.06 | weissi | typewriter, do you speak german? |
| 13:10.11 | SpAnIaRd | so theres something wrong in my configuration? |
| 13:10.13 | typewriter | weissi: oh ok, it isn't used by the staff? |
| 13:10.18 | typewriter | it's for the end user? |
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| 13:10.28 | liable | Rothgar`: yeah |
| 13:10.35 | typewriter | i wonder if i should remove it |
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| 13:10.53 | nep | and that package of where it unloading |
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| 13:11.25 | weissi | typewriter, normally it's for you(many people aren't able to administer a linux-server in text-mode). That's one reason I format all the root-server disks and reinstall it before using it :)) |
| 13:11.26 | SpAnIaRd | does anyone have the same sort of pass through mail configuration as i do and if so could i have a look at your postfix main.cf file? |
| 13:11.38 | typewriter | ah!, i see now, it is a silly tool |
| 13:11.52 | zelko | Hi folks! Somebody here who might give me some help with an USB Palm m500? I can't sync, no matter what I try.... :-( |
| 13:11.58 | treestone | nep: if ubuntu doesn't have that package I don't know where to get it. |
| 13:11.59 | liable | Rothgar`: basically, view your controller as just being a two channel controller. ie, it is just a controller, and debian will sort out the raid bit. |
| 13:12.01 | typewriter | ill remove it |
| 13:12.16 | weissi | typewriter, http://netdirekt.net/ezad/index2.html |
| 13:12.30 | weissi | typewriter, never used it, but seems really silly :-) |
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| 13:12.39 | Rothgar` | liable: Yeah that's what I thought |
| 13:13.04 | Rothgar` | Time to go through the RAID all again heh |
| 13:13.37 | liable | Rothgar`: maybe set it as JBOD and see what gives, i dont know, i only fux0red with one, and you basically just make sure debian can see the seperate disks, and let it make the raid. |
| 13:13.41 | weissi | SpAnIaRd, do you mean sending mail from a MUA --> local mail server --> your providers mail server? |
| 13:13.46 | treestone | zelko: You're using pilot-link? |
| 13:14.00 | sanso | liable, not good. |
| 13:14.14 | liable | sanso: what happened? |
| 13:14.19 | sanso | the same |
| 13:14.29 | CoolCubix | zelko> mine only work with kpilot |
| 13:14.31 | zelko | treestone: no, gpilot... Why? |
| 13:14.35 | sanso | long before udev even thinks of starting, as I now realize |
| 13:14.46 | liable | sanso: right |
| 13:14.47 | sanso | the system can't find the root partition |
| 13:14.47 | CoolCubix | zelko> you really should try kpilot |
| 13:14.57 | treestone | zelko: I don't know gpilot. |
| 13:14.57 | CoolCubix | zelko> it should work :) |
| 13:15.10 | liable | sanso: so its before init? |
| 13:15.14 | sanso | liable, is it possible that 2.6.15-1 lacks support for aic79xx |
| 13:15.22 | liable | sanso: no idea |
| 13:15.23 | sanso | liable, I do think so. |
| 13:15.35 | sanso | liable, I'll take a look at the .config |
| 13:15.40 | SpAnIaRd | weissi: providers mail server -> mail relay/gateway -> exchange server |
| 13:15.51 | treestone | zelko: I was asking because I could possibly give some advice with pilot-link. BTW kpilot uses pilot-link so what CoolCubix says is relevant too. |
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| 13:16.01 | zelko | I don't want any K-stuff on my Laptop. But maybe I'll try with pilot-link and/or kpilot... And it worked for both of you with USB? |
| 13:16.19 | weissi | SpAnIaRd, should each local user have a different configuration (such as remote-user/password)? |
| 13:16.36 | SpAnIaRd | got it working |
| 13:16.41 | liable | weissi: for what? |
| 13:16.41 | nep | somebody knows where I can unload the package to install plugin |
| 13:16.42 | SpAnIaRd | silly me |
| 13:16.43 | CoolCubix | zelko> everytime i tried with gpilot, it crashed ! |
| 13:16.44 | sanso | liable, it's a module |
| 13:16.44 | treestone | zelko: Works for me. I have only tried T3 and another newer palm, but m500 should work I believe. |
| 13:17.01 | SpAnIaRd | i had it accepting email for the same domain as it was relaying for |
| 13:17.02 | SpAnIaRd | sorry |
| 13:17.16 | sanso | so it should be in the initramdisk. |
| 13:17.18 | Rothgar` | Ok |
| 13:17.27 | zelko | already apt-getting it... thx 4 the hint! I'll report :-) Oh, by the way, the device is recognized as shown in my syslog..... |
| 13:17.38 | liable | sanso: hrm, read the mkinitramfs/yaird docs. i dont know much about that stuff |
| 13:17.39 | CoolCubix | zelko> my palm is quite old, a Zire first generation, monochrome. Everyone find it sucks today, but it's still very practical to go on the internet with my mobile as modem ^ç |
| 13:17.41 | treestone | zelko: Just using pilot-link is very easy. Just set PILOTPORT environment variable, then e.g. pilot-xfer -b my-backup |
| 13:17.42 | Rothgar` | Set software RAID1 on /boot RAID0 on swap RAID1 on / and RAID1 on /home |
| 13:17.48 | Rothgar` | Will see how it goes |
| 13:17.57 | weissi | liable, sometimes providers require a user/password and/or different local users may have different providers (if so, I recommend a msmtpd setup per user) |
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| 13:18.18 | rohan | hi all .. i use dhcp for my internet |
| 13:18.52 | sanso | liable, will do. |
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| 13:18.53 | rohan | when i do "sudo ifup eth0" or sudo dhclient eth0, it tells me "Bound to port 192.168.1.3" how do i make it "bind" to 192.168.1.2 ? |
| 13:19.01 | liable | weissi: oh, sorry, ignore me, didnt realise you were talking to SpAnIaRd :) |
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| 13:19.17 | dorel_ | rohan, youd have to set it up manually cause it seems like your getting it from dhcp |
| 13:19.19 | weissi | liable, ahh ok |
| 13:19.26 | nep | somebody knows where I can unload the package to install plugin |
| 13:19.46 | Rothgar` | rohan: MAC address reserving? |
| 13:19.46 | rohan | dorel_: oh, but i have the router. can i set it in the router, to make it tell debian to bind to .2 ? |
| 13:19.52 | rohan | Rothgar`: whats that ? |
| 13:20.00 | treestone | nep: You're ubuntu, right? Have you tried #ubuntu ? |
| 13:20.20 | Rothgar` | You go into your DHCP configuration and tell that systems MAC address to always get .2 |
| 13:20.23 | rohan | on all other it binds to .2 .. but they all use dhcpcd not dhclient |
| 13:20.31 | rohan | Rothgar`: ok, trying |
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| 13:20.39 | dorel_ | rohan, sorry i dont understand. |
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| 13:20.48 | Rothgar` | You'd do it on your router if that was the DHCP server |
| 13:20.57 | rohan | yes, my router is the dhcp server |
| 13:20.58 | nep | nop |
| 13:21.11 | rohan | nep: do you use ubuntu or debian ? |
| 13:21.13 | dorel_ | rohan, if you manually want to setup an ip for the box you do: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 up |
| 13:21.23 | roman | hi all! is there a way to reset a debian installation to a default package config?? |
| 13:21.26 | treestone | nep: And I think you mean 'download', not 'unload', right? |
| 13:21.27 | nep | ubuntu 5.10 |
| 13:21.37 | nep | yes |
| 13:22.01 | rohan | nep: you will have more luck on #ubuntu. but, which plugin do you need ? |
| 13:22.13 | liable | nep: you will prolly get better help in #ubuntu |
| 13:22.16 | roman | i want to reset my system to a state it has right after installation |
| 13:22.35 | Rothgar` | liable: Seems faster so far |
| 13:22.37 | roman | where ist the package config stored? |
| 13:22.46 | liable | roman: you could waste 5 hours doing that, or you could re-install in 15 minutes. |
| 13:23.01 | treestone | nep: If it's flash you want maybe ubuntu has a package you can apt-get. If not, look at http://macromedia.mplug.org/ |
| 13:23.10 | rohan | dorel_: yes, but if i do that, apps cannot connect to net. |
| 13:23.18 | roman | liable: why should that take 5 hours? |
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| 13:23.31 | jm_ | Romano2K: because you obviously have no idea where to start |
| 13:23.33 | weissi | liable, one could do `dpkg --set-selections` if one had a `dpkg --get-selections` right after install... |
| 13:23.34 | jm_ | roman ^^^^^^ |
| 13:23.39 | liable | roman: because there is no way to do it? |
| 13:23.45 | roman | but well i can reinstall - would that delete any files? besides the ones that are overwritten? |
| 13:23.58 | liable | easily.. |
| 13:24.08 | zelko | Ok, found something about the USB-Device... When I insert the palm into the craddle, the /dev/pilot or /dev/ttyUSBxxx does not exist... so any *pilot gives up, only after I press the hot-sync-button... is this normal? |
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| 13:24.44 | typewriter | unforutnately, i reconfigured the locales and it's still displaying the text not- in english |
| 13:24.53 | treestone | zelko: You don't have /dev/ttyUSB*? udev, devfs or hardcoded /dev? |
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| 13:25.10 | zelko | I have udev.. haven't it hardcoded... |
| 13:25.12 | rohan_ | bleh, now it bound to 192.168.1.4 dorel_ |
| 13:25.18 | rohan_ | i dont know for what reason |
| 13:25.19 | rohan_ | :S |
| 13:25.24 | treestone | zelko: BTW, you also need the 'visor' kernel module. |
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| 13:25.28 | dorel_ | :p |
| 13:25.37 | roman | btw: what is /media under kernel 2.6 - is this some kind of automount directory? |
| 13:25.43 | rohan_ | dorel_: but ya, if i do .2 then no app can get on net |
| 13:25.47 | zelko | syslog shows it up... when I tail -f syslog... |
| 13:25.51 | treestone | zelko: (and 'visor' needs 'usbserial') |
| 13:25.55 | rohan_ | dorel_: irssi, ping also show host not found |
| 13:26.10 | Rothgar` | liable: It became slow again but not as bad as before |
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| 13:26.29 | rohan_ | dorel_: also, how do i make the change "permanent" so that in future i can do only "sudo ifup eth0" and it binds to .2 ? assuming that apps wordk |
| 13:26.30 | zelko | May 10 17:24:44 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10 |
| 13:26.32 | zelko | May 10 17:24:44 localhost kernel: visor 3-1:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected |
| 13:26.33 | zelko | May 10 17:24:44 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 13:26.35 | zelko | May 10 17:24:44 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1 |
| 13:26.35 | Rothgar` | I looked at /var/log/messages though and it seems it might be constructing the array, maybe that's why it's slow |
| 13:26.36 | zelko | looks pretty ok for me... |
| 13:26.40 | weissi | !paste |
| 13:26.40 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 13:26.41 | zelko | sorry for flooding... |
| 13:26.54 | rohan_ | Rothgar`: i cant find such option anywhere .. i use Dlink dsl 502t .. do you happen to know where to find the respective option ? |
| 13:26.56 | liable | zelko: no your not, otherwise you wouldnt have... |
| 13:27.10 | rohan_ | zelko: the bot kicks you, if you flood |
| 13:27.19 | miracle | lol |
| 13:27.22 | myboxen | roman: it is defined in the fhs as Mount point for removable media |
| 13:27.24 | zelko | :-) ok! |
| 13:27.31 | dorel_ | rohan, you should clear some things first. |
| 13:27.43 | rohan_ | dorel_: ? |
| 13:27.44 | dorel_ | rohan, is your network runing a dhcp server? |
| 13:27.45 | liable | Rothgar`: have you googled your controller? maybe theres issues with it? |
| 13:27.51 | rohan_ | dorel_: my router is. |
| 13:28.00 | Rothgar` | rohan_: Is there no place on the router you can view DHCP table? |
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| 13:28.03 | treestone | zelko: You're supposed to have a /dev/ttyUSB1 with major 188, minor 1. Maybe it's located somewhere else. |
| 13:28.20 | Rothgar` | liable: It's just an on-board SATA controller capable of RAID |
| 13:28.25 | zelko | oh, so I have to hardcode it with mknod? |
| 13:28.27 | dorel_ | dorel_, ok. the best way is to get on your router and set a rule to always give .2 to your router - you do that by reserving the mac address of the computer you want to bind to .2 |
| 13:28.28 | rohan_ | Rothgar`: "Dhcp Clients List" shows no MAC assigned to .2 and .3 and .4 have MACs assigned |
| 13:28.32 | dorel_ | rohan, does it makes sense for you? |
| 13:28.38 | Rothgar` | I have no doubt it sucks but as long as it handles SATA disks I am happy to use a software RAID |
| 13:28.46 | Tassium | If I'm taking .deb files from the official debian repository, extracting them with dpkg-deb to modify the control file, then repackaging them for use in my own repository (to override the official debs) should I be modding the Version? |
| 13:28.57 | treestone | zelko: Well, you're using udev.. I'm not so I'm not sure how that's to be handled. Me, I just run MAKEDEV. |
| 13:28.59 | Rothgar` | rohan_: can you add any reservations? |
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| 13:29.09 | lordalbert | hello |
| 13:29.11 | miracle | software raid = windows driver? |
| 13:29.19 | myboxen | lordalbert: hello |
| 13:29.28 | liable | Rothgar`: duh, dude, google the chipset, there's lots of "just an onboard raid controllers"... |
| 13:29.32 | rohan | dorel_, Rothgar` : under DHCP Server i can set the starting and ending IP Address .,. do i change that ? |
| 13:30.03 | nep | .. |
| 13:30.07 | lordalbert | i don't find some packages in debian's repository :( For example Transmission (a bittorrent client) and Amule-adnza |
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| 13:30.32 | liable | myboxen: no, software raid means the os does it. |
| 13:30.37 | nep | .. |
| 13:30.39 | rohan | dorel_, Rothgar` : like, set the start and end both to 192.168.1.2 ? |
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| 13:30.46 | liable | nep: stop that |
| 13:30.55 | zelko | treestone: crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 1 2006-05-10 17:30 /dev/ttyUSB1 looks also ok for me by udev... |
| 13:30.59 | myboxen | liable: what? |
| 13:31.06 | liable | .. |
| 13:31.18 | zelko | treestone: oh, and the user is of course in the group "dialout"... |
| 13:31.23 | Rothgar` | rohan: That would limit your DHCP range, why not just make it static if you can't find the reserved option? |
| 13:31.23 | myboxen | liable: I made no comment about software raid... |
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| 13:31.33 | DireFog | myboxen: liable fell victim of tab completion |
| 13:31.33 | liable | myboxen: oh, sorry |
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| 13:31.40 | Tassium | liable: Gimmie that beer back |
| 13:31.42 | myboxen | :) |
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| 13:32.10 | liable | myboxen: heh, i hit the wrong key, then nicktabbed.. |
| 13:32.15 | rohan | Rothgar`: oh, i see this -- "Static IP Assignment", where I can enter both mac and ip i want. is that it ? |
| 13:32.17 | liable | Tassium: no way! |
| 13:32.25 | Rothgar` | rohan: Yes |
| 13:32.48 | myboxen | liable: no problem, just thought id let you know so you could redirect the comment. |
| 13:32.54 | Rothgar` | liable: The system is installed how do I run some performance tests? |
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| 13:33.16 | liable | myboxen: actually, it was the right key.. just needed another tab :) |
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| 13:33.32 | siebeneicher | hoi! can anyone say how to configure a fiber cards speed and duplex mode? |
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| 13:33.43 | rohan | 00:0b:2b:11:d2:ca ---> how is this an invalid mac ? :P |
| 13:33.46 | rohan | i copy pasted :s |
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| 13:34.13 | treestone | zelko: 'dlpsh -p /dev/ttyUSB1' should work (you'll have to press hotsync after starting the program) |
| 13:34.24 | siebeneicher | i have tried ethtool and net-tools but both do not support the fibercard |
| 13:34.41 | jm_ | siebeneicher: driver options? |
| 13:34.41 | RichiH | is there any way to force logrotate not to count through the files it creates, but to append a sting like YYMM? |
| 13:34.46 | myboxen | lordalbert: I dont see them either on packages.debian.org |
| 13:35.02 | rohan | oh, well, need to reboot router |
| 13:35.02 | rohan | brb |
| 13:35.06 | JMilton | hello there. i've installed sun java 1.4.2 and i need php4 to support it. is there any way to do this besides manually compiling php? |
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| 13:35.47 | Tassium | JMilton: Erm.. How about installing the php4 packages? |
| 13:35.49 | Rothgar` | rohan try remove the : or make then "-"'s |
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| 13:36.01 | siebeneicher | jm_: driver options? where should i look, what place they could be? |
| 13:36.14 | siebeneicher | jm_: its an ic10000a chipset |
| 13:36.16 | zelko | treestone: ah... hm... weird... yes, somehow it works... but: only after I press the hotsync-button. And _after_ I press it the message "Please press hot sync button now" appears... which of course will not work... :? |
| 13:36.21 | jm_ | siebeneicher: kernel docs, driver source code, modinfo |
| 13:36.30 | JMilton | Tassium: i have them, both the apache2 and the cli backends, but no fancy modules get installed. i need the php java module. |
| 13:36.53 | siebeneicher | jm_: uhh, the doc stuff again... ;) |
| 13:36.56 | myboxen | lordalbert: take a look at the clients debian has by typeing apt-cache search bittorrent in a terminal |
| 13:36.56 | treestone | zelko: The timing is essential.. how long to wait before pressing seems to differ between systems. |
| 13:37.02 | myboxen | I see a list of over 10 |
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| 13:37.21 | zelko | treestone: ok, then I'll experiment with that.... |
| 13:37.31 | Tassium | JMilton: You'll probably have to build that module yourself. The php4-dev package will probably come in handy |
| 13:37.34 | liable | Rothgar`: what version of debian did you install?? |
| 13:37.49 | JMilton | Tassium: thanks, will look into it |
| 13:38.02 | treestone | zelko: With my laptop I start the commands (pilot-xfer or dlpsh etc), wait one sec, then press hotsync. However, with kpilot there's a daemon that looks for hotsync events, works more like with Windows hotsync. |
| 13:38.53 | lordalbert | myboxen, can you tell me a lightweight BitTorrent client? |
| 13:39.02 | valdyn | lordalbert: rtorrent |
| 13:39.15 | Rothgar` | 2.6.8-2 |
| 13:39.23 | treestone | lordalbert: Just use 'apt-cache search bittorrent' |
| 13:39.24 | liable | heh, are there *heavy* bittorent clients? |
| 13:39.39 | valdyn | liable: yea, azureus |
| 13:39.58 | pipeline | valdyn, liable: Or the reference client... |
| 13:40.18 | liable | Rothgar`: no sata disk performance apps for sarge |
| 13:40.25 | pipeline | valdyn, liable: the reference client is very small, but it is NOT lightweight. It's made out of depleted uranium or something, fuck. Uses 32+ MB *per torrent* and scales at O(n^2) :P |
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| 13:40.32 | lordalbert | valdyn, rtorrent is text mode? |
| 13:40.36 | myboxen | lordalbert: even though I have never used it, I understand bittorrent is lightweight |
| 13:40.46 | liable | pipeline: haha, wtf? |
| 13:40.52 | valdyn | pipeline: hmm, though i dont have numbers, all torrent clients use quite some ram |
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| 13:41.32 | pipeline | liable: One word: Python. |
| 13:41.35 | zelko | treestone: ok, so as far as it seems now: I can make a mknod /dev/ttyUSBx with major/minor. Afterwards I can start dlpsh or pilot-xfer... If I don't do that, the port can not be bound.. If you want I can paste you (in a private channel?) the output of my tries... |
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| 13:41.52 | pipeline | valdyn: Heh, well, most of them are variants on the original reference client. |
| 13:41.57 | liable | pipeline: you know python? can you fix something for me? :) |
| 13:42.00 | valdyn | pipeline: hmm, probably only when dowloading 14m 9168 S 0.7 0.9 13:19.61 rtorrent, is seeding 5 4.5 gb files |
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| 13:42.30 | jm_ | yes, downladoing will show big memory usage,s eeding is small - but even then rtorrent's much smarter |
| 13:42.33 | zelko | But somehow it seems to me that I'll have to have still a WinBlow$ installed because of the silly palm-software... It seems, that syncing with a serial craddle seems not to make any problems... |
| 13:42.36 | pipeline | valdyn, liable : The only torrent client that has significant features and doesn't consume a great del of memory is windows-only. |
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| 13:42.41 | rohan | well |
| 13:42.47 | pipeline | zelko: uhhh gnome conduits? Gnome-pilot? |
| 13:42.48 | liable | pipeline: whats that? |
| 13:42.53 | pipeline | zelko: vmware server USB support? |
| 13:43.04 | pipeline | liable: uTorrent. Or is it mu-torrent? I can't rememble. |
| 13:43.11 | rohan | i added the mac and ip, and "Save config" and reboot many times, but the change doesnt "apply" .. like the table still shows a blank for 192.168.1.2 |
| 13:43.11 | av`r3set | hi there, i've got a corrupted compact flash card, has got anyone an idea how to backup the data / images? |
| 13:43.15 | rohan | Rothgar`: any idea ? :S |
| 13:43.31 | pipeline | valdyn: rtorrent is still much smaller than the reference client owing to its C++ heritage :P |
| 13:43.32 | zelko | pipeline: yes, I have gnome-pilot (gpilot), jpilot and pilot-link tried - everywhere the same effect... |
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| 13:43.36 | jm_ | av`r3set: there's an app on freshmeat |
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| 13:43.46 | av`r3set | really jm_, what's the name of this app? |
| 13:43.47 | lordalbert | myboxen, yes, i'd like very much bittorrent, but some tracker don't accept bittorrent |
| 13:43.57 | zelko | pipeline: is there a vmserver with usb to apt-get? gonna have a look ;-) |
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| 13:44.03 | myboxen | lordalbert: to get a description of the package, its size, and more type apt-cache show bittorrent |
| 13:44.04 | pipeline | valdyn, liable, jm_ : Incidentally, Azureus' huge memory usage isn't so much because it's written in java, but rather because java I/O sucks so bad that it has to be careful about caching to get acceptable performance. |
| 13:44.08 | JMilton | Tassium: php4-dev threw in a couple of php4 headers. however i need to build the php java module; this is done by configuring php with --with-java. can I compile only that module? how? |
| 13:44.08 | ignotus | hello I am looking for a picture manager program, where I can mass- move / delete pictures (jpg files) |
| 13:44.14 | av`r3set | because the fat fileysteem seems to be destroyed |
| 13:44.17 | ignotus | any ideas? |
| 13:44.20 | pipeline | zelko: VMWare server, while it's totally free as in beer, is too restrictively licensed to be redistributed by the Debian project. |
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| 13:44.32 | jm_ | av`r3set: don't remember, it was mentioned very lately |
| 13:44.33 | lordalbert | myboxen, ok, tnx |
| 13:44.35 | av`r3set | or perhaps some sectors |
| 13:44.47 | myboxen | lordalbert: so apt-cache show rtorrent |
| 13:44.48 | lordalbert | btw i use ubuntu |
| 13:44.54 | av`r3set | ok, but thx too, now i know that there's an existing app ;) |
| 13:45.00 | zelko | pipeline: ah, I see.. so I can dl it and install it by myself or make a fake-package.... |
| 13:45.08 | rohan | of what use are the libgcc1 and gcc41-base packages, if the main compiler is still gcc 4.0.3 ? |
| 13:45.16 | liable | lordalbert: you will prolly get much better help in #ubuntu |
| 13:45.18 | jm_ | av`r3set: http://freshmeat.net/search?q=recover%20camera, first hit |
| 13:45.21 | valdyn | rohan: uh? |
| 13:45.29 | rohan | valdyn: ? |
| 13:45.36 | pipeline | zelko: I think VMware/EMC may offer a debian package of it; you'll have to check with them. |
| 13:45.53 | valdyn | rohan: i dont get what your point is, providing an alternative to gcc-4.03 is a feature |
| 13:46.08 | av`r3set | thank you very much!!! |
| 13:46.14 | zelko | pipeline: thx! Maybe this will stay the solution for the palm... until I can afford a newer (and maybe supported?) one ;-) |
| 13:46.14 | rohan | valdyn: err.. so the "main" and "standard" compiler is gcc 4.1 ? |
| 13:46.17 | Sonderblade | how do you check which dependencies a package has? |
| 13:46.19 | ourbbs | what does wiki stand for |
| 13:46.24 | valdyn | rohan: nope |
| 13:46.40 | liable | Sonderblade: apt-chache depends foo |
| 13:46.43 | rohan | valdyn: then how and why would one use gcc41 and libgcc41 ? |
| 13:46.47 | liable | bah |
| 13:46.52 | Sonderblade | liable: thanks |
| 13:47.08 | myboxen | lordalbert: are those commands working for you? |
| 13:47.10 | liable | Sonderblade: or aptitude show foo, or i guess apt-cache show foo to |
| 13:47.16 | liable | o |
| 13:47.30 | borco | can a username contain '_' ? |
| 13:47.33 | lordalbert | someone tells me making .deb packages is very difficult... it's true? Now I'm using ArchLinux and make pkg in Arch it's very simple |
| 13:47.58 | valdyn | rohan: maybe it gives better performance for some things |
| 13:48.00 | JMilton | rephrasing prev question: I'm trying to get java support into php4; can it be done without compiling the entire PHP4 source (i.e., only that module)? |
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| 13:48.02 | DireFog | borco: should |
| 13:48.10 | rohan | lordalbert: 1 - if you are using arch, why do you want to switch to debian ? |
| 13:48.11 | n0t_flan | zelko, what model is it? |
| 13:48.15 | liable | lordalbert: dude, make up your mind, you said you used ubuntu a minute ago |
| 13:48.24 | zelko | n0t_flan: a m500 via USB |
| 13:48.27 | borco | DireFog, thanx. |
| 13:48.45 | rohan | lordalbert: and, yes, arch packages are relatively easy to make. |
| 13:48.52 | treestone | zelko: What particular windows functionality are you missing? I never need it.. |
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| 13:48.57 | lordalbert | liable, I have 2 partitions |
| 13:48.59 | valdyn | rohan: http://www.gcc.org and look at the changelog if you want to see differences |
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| 13:49.09 | n0t_flan | zelko, if you're still having problems in about eight hours, I may be able to help. I got it working using Gnome-Pilot and a guide on the (ugh) Ubuntu forums last year. |
| 13:49.13 | zelko | treestone: Just syncing... *sigh* |
| 13:49.17 | lordalbert | i'm trying a Transmission package for ubuntu |
| 13:49.21 | liable | lordalbert: and neither are debian! go away :P |
| 13:49.31 | pengol | hi there, what is the difference between the grub root device and the kernel root device? |
| 13:49.34 | rohan | valdyn: you dont get me .. if i am compiling using the 4.0.3 version of the compiler, how can i use the gcc 4.1 libs ? |
| 13:49.35 | valdyn | rohan: ops, wrong URL |
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| 13:49.46 | liable | rohan: in what context? |
| 13:49.50 | zelko | n0t_flan: Uh.. hm... sorry, in 8 hours I'll be in my girlfriends flat - no Internet there... |
| 13:49.57 | rohan | lordalbert: #ubuntu , dont they already have a package ? |
| 13:49.59 | valdyn | rohan: why would you do that? |
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| 13:50.04 | valdyn | rohan: _that_ is silly |
| 13:50.05 | treestone | zelko: It should "Just Work". With kpilot you can interface with kde's calendar app. etc., if you need that kind of functionality. |
| 13:50.11 | rohan | valdyn: exactly, then why are the libs provided ? |
| 13:50.21 | zelko | n0t_flan: But it would be kind, if you could send me an eMail to zelko@fet.at |
| 13:50.22 | rohan | liable: the gcc question or the dhcp question ? |
| 13:50.30 | valdyn | rohan: because someone might compile with gcc-4.1 |
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| 13:50.36 | liable | rohan: sorry, wrong nick |
| 13:50.45 | rohan | liable: np np :D |
| 13:50.46 | n0t_flan | zelko, the main catch is that you need to have the detection script run while the device is performing a manually initiated sync. For some reason, the computer-side software won't pick it up if the device hasn't already created its node, even though the kernel knows it's there. |
| 13:51.00 | rohan | valdyn: oh, gcc-4.1 is alredy available in the repo ? i didnt know that. |
| 13:51.01 | zelko | treestone: Yes, I know it is supposed to "just work". But it doesn't. |
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| 13:51.16 | Rothgar` | Ok Debian has pissed me off enough for one night, I better get some sleep heh, adios people |
| 13:51.27 | zelko | n0t_flan: Yes, that's the point! Exactly the problem I don't know how to solve! |
| 13:51.37 | n0t_flan | zelko, I'll send a URL to the thread when I find it. |
| 13:51.43 | JMilton | never mind, i'll just switch servers and echo dev-lang/php java-external >> /etc/portage/package.use |
| 13:51.54 | treestone | n0t_flan: Would that be udev related? |
| 13:52.07 | n0t_flan | zelko, it involved manually specifying the node based on random /dev lsing. |
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| 13:52.14 | n0t_flan | treestone, oddly enough, it isn't. |
| 13:52.44 | n0t_flan | treestone, it's a problem with the m500/Tungsten|T(1)'s USB signature. |
| 13:52.51 | zelko | n0t_flan: thx, great! I found something about a protocol=simple" config-point... ??? |
| 13:53.09 | treestone | n0t_flan: Ok. I've used T3 and Zire only. |
| 13:53.20 | n0t_flan | zelko, I don't remember anything about that... It may be worth looking into, but that's not the solution I used. |
| 13:53.30 | zelko | ah,... hmmmm... Ok, next time I'll check compatibility _before_ buying it.. But I have it for ... 5 years now? :-) |
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| 13:53.43 | typewriter | how do i remove those 'rc' packages from dpkg -l ? |
| 13:53.44 | n0t_flan | Same with me and my T|T. |
| 13:53.53 | n0t_flan | Zaurus SL-5500 is love. |
| 13:53.56 | treestone | typewriter: dpkg --purge them. |
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| 13:54.34 | valdyn | typewriter: why ? |
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| 13:54.59 | treestone | valdyn: To get rid of leftover non-used config files? |
| 13:55.10 | zelko | unfortunatelly I can't afford a new toy like this ;-) the m500 (it was a gift btw) fits anything I need ;-) |
| 13:55.14 | valdyn | treestone: good point ) |
| 13:55.20 | typewriter | because i dont need the packages i'm emoving, not even the confs and all that |
| 13:55.24 | pizzahead | man I still can't figure out why I can't get 64bit PCI working in my new kernel... anyone have any ideas? |
| 13:55.40 | pizzahead | lspci doesn't show my devices or the pci-x bridges |
| 13:55.49 | typewriter | i can do apt-get remove --purge whatever ? to save time right? |
| 13:55.51 | typewriter | thats fine? |
| 13:55.57 | blondie | mmm pizza |
| 13:55.58 | pizzahead | apt-get --purge package |
| 13:56.02 | pizzahead | sorry |
| 13:56.04 | pizzahead | dpkg --purge package |
| 13:56.09 | valdyn | typewriter: apt-get remove --purge works |
| 13:56.11 | typewriter | and itll remove it too? |
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| 13:56.20 | treestone | typewriter: Yes. |
| 13:56.21 | typewriter | ok yea thats what im doing |
| 13:56.26 | typewriter | i just wanted to know if that was fine |
| 13:56.30 | n0t_flan | zelko, may I PM you? |
| 13:56.38 | zelko | n0t_flan: yup! |
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| 13:57.37 | valdyn | typewriter: you will see apt-get marking packages to be purge with *, including depends |
| 13:57.37 | treestone | typewriter: To do a major cleanup you could try this gross one: dpkg --purge `dpkg --list | grep ^rc | tr -s " " | cut -d" " -f2` |
| 13:57.54 | Rothgar` | rohan did the MAC address work, if not try remove the ":"'s or make then "-"'s |
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| 13:58.51 | rohan | Rothgar`: i did that too, the instructions say no : only - .. but still, the changes dont apply. the rules remain empty, and in the list, theres a blank next to 192.168.1.2 in the mac address column |
| 13:59.08 | Rothgar` | ok |
| 13:59.32 | bwlang | i'm switching a jumbo frame gigabit ethernet setup.... anybody know which card/drivers are capable of 9000 bit frames? (2.6 kernel) |
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| 13:59.35 | zelko | n0t_flan: thx! I'll have to register first, before I can answer. I also found http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3591 ;-) I'm not the only one with the problem and I'm _not_ mad or stupid ;-) |
| 13:59.38 | Rothgar` | What I usually do is on the DHCP server there is usually a button to free the IP address |
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| 13:59.47 | Rothgar` | Then on the machine release your IP address, then renew |
| 14:00.09 | Rothgar` | When it asks the DHCP server for an IP it should hand it the reserved IP based on its MAC address |
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| 14:00.33 | [peruvien] | how know , how to make a server that works with cam ... to control some entreprise o factory |
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| 14:01.06 | valdyn | !cam |
| 14:01.06 | dpkg | methinks cam is Computer Aided Music or Cpu's Audio Mixer for Linux. |
| 14:01.16 | valdyn | hah |
| 14:01.39 | DireFog | "manufacturing" probably |
| 14:01.41 | Hackel | I need some advice trying to debug Xorg crashes. I can't reproduce them directly, but it's happening quite frequently. |
| 14:01.45 | Hackel | I can't find anything in my Xorg.log file, and when it crashes, it comes right back up again with gdm login and works perfectly (dri, xv, 3D, etc.) until the next crash. Any ideas on how to trace this error? |
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| 14:02.06 | valdyn | dpkg, cam =~ s/./ or Computer Aided Manufacturing./ |
| 14:02.06 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 14:02.08 | DireFog | Hackel: are you using teh composite extension? |
| 14:02.11 | rohan | Rothgar`: no button to "release" the 192.168.1.2 ip, but its blank anyway |
| 14:02.26 | Hackel | DireFog: Not that I'm aware of. |
| 14:02.26 | [peruvien] | how to make a server that works with cams (maybe webcams) ... to control some entreprise o factory |
| 14:02.27 | DireFog | for teh win? grrr. |
| 14:02.54 | jethro | dpkg, cam is also Common Access Method |
| 14:02.54 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 14:03.27 | treestone | bwlang: Intel gigabit cards should be jumbo frame compatible. |
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| 14:03.50 | DireFog | I've had two cases of X11 blowing up without comment, one was a bug in libxft and the other was a problem with composite... |
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| 14:04.27 | rohan | Rothgar`: see, this is the list -- 00:0b is my lan card MAC |
| 14:04.28 | rohan | 1 192.168.1.2 |
| 14:04.28 | rohan | 2 192.168.1.3 00:0b:2b:11:d2:ca |
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| 14:04.34 | rohan | so the .2 ip is blank |
| 14:04.45 | Rothgar` | Did you release and renew the IP on the machine? |
| 14:04.45 | jetscreamer | does wget download files in a level type manner? what i mean is, will it do toplevel first, then one dir down, then the next... |
| 14:04.54 | Rothgar` | You have reserved it also? |
| 14:05.04 | Rothgar` | Does it show as reserved? |
| 14:05.07 | rohan | no, Rothgar` , the reservations list is empty |
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| 14:05.16 | Rothgar` | rohan: Then re-add it |
| 14:05.18 | rohan | i.e. the static ip's list is empty |
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| 14:05.25 | bwlang | treestone: thanks - i think that's the route I'll take. |
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| 14:06.32 | rohan | i click on apply, the list is still blank, Rothgar` |
| 14:06.42 | valdyn | jetscreamer: it can |
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| 14:06.53 | Rothgar` | rohan: No idea on that maybe need a firmware upgrade |
| 14:06.55 | treestone | bwlang: Intel has some information on some page, I seem to remember they had one card that wasn't jumbo compatible, the rest were. They should work fine in Linux. I also got a broadcom/3com card to work, but I had far less transmission errors with intel. |
| 14:07.02 | liable | DireFog: theres been a few problems lately with xorg. |
| 14:07.05 | Rothgar` | I really need to try and get some sleep though |
| 14:07.10 | rohan | Rothgar`: awww :S |
| 14:07.14 | rohan | Rothgar`: aha, gn |
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| 14:07.24 | rohan | Rothgar`: thanks a lot ofr pointing me in the right direction !! |
| 14:07.26 | p3rti | hi |
| 14:07.47 | Rothgar` | All you need to do is reserve the IP address and then force the machine to get a new one either by a simple release/renew or remove the IP it has at the moment from the range ie "exclude" it |
| 14:07.54 | DireFog | liable: as long as I stay away from the exotic stuff, it runs fine here. must be lucky. |
| 14:07.56 | p3rti | what mail server did recoomend the people for make a mysql + webmail server on my machine |
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| 14:08.04 | Hackel | Any reason not to delete the old /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* files? |
| 14:08.17 | Rothgar` | No problem rohan, night and good luck heh |
| 14:09.10 | rohan | Rothgar`: :) |
| 14:09.13 | liable | Hackel: hrm, bin was removed by x11-common, dunno about lib, i would leave for now |
| 14:09.23 | treestone | Hackel: Well, I had some self-installed additional fonts that I had to salvage first, other than that it shouldn't be a problem, but don't quote me on it.. I've had enough trouble in this x11r6/x11r7 transition :-) |
| 14:09.40 | liable | Hackel: actaully, mine only has X11.. |
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| 14:11.58 | Hackel | I've just gold old fonts.dir, encodings.dir, fonts.alias and fonts.cache-1 files. Looks like they were all moved to /usr/share/fonts/X11/ |
| 14:12.44 | nas__ | how long does it usually take debian to adapt new gnome versions in sid? |
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| 14:13.06 | jetscreamer | valdyn: that seems to be what it's doing. walking the tree one level at a time. i usec -mcp |
| 14:13.07 | nas__ | any guess's on how long it take them to get gnome 2.14 |
| 14:13.17 | jetscreamer | used |
| 14:13.28 | jethro | nas__: rand(1000) days. |
| 14:13.45 | jetscreamer | i could swear i have some gnome 2.14 thingy |
| 14:13.53 | [peruvien] | hi... |
| 14:13.53 | [peruvien] | can someone help me to make a ERP, it's possible? |
| 14:14.24 | bibe | nas__ : some packages are already at version 2.14, even in etch |
| 14:14.27 | Solensean | *make* an erp ? |
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| 14:15.24 | jetscreamer | [peruvien]: easier to just install one isn't it |
| 14:15.49 | jetscreamer | isn't compiere a crm/erp? |
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| 14:15.58 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 14:16.03 | jetscreamer | it's on sf.net though |
| 14:16.16 | [peruvien] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.31 | jetscreamer | not any ones in debian sources offhand |
| 14:16.31 | [peruvien] | it is make with php? |
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| 14:16.33 | kspath | [peruvien]: apt-cache search erp |
| 14:16.36 | kspath | [peruvien]: apt-cache search cr |
| 14:16.39 | kspath | [peruvien]: apt-cache search crm |
| 14:16.45 | kimo | Hi, just a quickie ... would u say a P4/512MB machine, can handle 1000messages/day for spam-assassin+postfix comfortably ? |
| 14:17.18 | bibe | kimo : you can use it also as a desktop, while processing 1000 messages/day |
| 14:17.34 | jepler | 1000 messages/day won't create much load at all (though I don't use spamassassin) |
| 14:17.37 | bibe | kimo : it's oversized, IMHO |
| 14:17.48 | kimo | bibe: :) do u have any numbers of ur own |
| 14:18.10 | Vme | using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 14:18.11 | [peruvien] | can someone help me to configure a web server to manage cams (or webcams) to monitor a factory |
| 14:18.13 | Vme | hello |
| 14:18.21 | Vme | how do i get using_dma = 1? :) |
| 14:18.31 | kimo | Vme: hdparm |
| 14:18.32 | jethro | Vme: man hdparm? |
| 14:18.33 | jetscreamer | [peruvien]: http://sourceforge.net/projects/compiere/ |
| 14:18.43 | jetscreamer | it's always on the most active list |
| 14:18.56 | jetscreamer | heh p2p programs are the most d/l'd on sf |
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| 14:19.17 | jepler | jetscreamer: that's software for webcams? |
| 14:19.33 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 14:19.39 | jetscreamer | no it's a CRM/ERP |
| 14:19.40 | bibe | kimo : I had been using postfix+spamassassin+clamav+mysql+apache2 on a P3/128MB machine, with more than 1000 messages/day and very small traffic on the web site (joomla). I never had more than 5 messages in queue |
| 14:19.42 | [peruvien] | jetscreamer: thanx! |
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| 14:20.18 | jetscreamer | a very good one |
| 14:20.19 | kimo | bibe: ohh!! that's releiving .... |
| 14:20.29 | kimo | bibe: thnx! |
| 14:20.36 | Zugschlus | bibe: lucky. I had to move from 256 to 512 MB since recent spamassassin ist a memory hog |
| 14:20.36 | jepler | jetscreamer: oh, I only read [peruvien]'s last question about "a web server to manage cams" |
| 14:21.49 | jetscreamer | i didn't see that one, i just saw can someone help me to make a ERP, it's possible? |
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| 14:22.29 | nas__ | Vme you prob dont have the right modules installed for you mobo chip set |
| 14:22.37 | Vme | hrm |
| 14:22.42 | kimo | did anyone hear about a project to distribute 'ready made' vmware images of Linux distros, performing as various things, like web-servers, email-gateways ... ? |
| 14:22.44 | x`y`-xy | i find this ....... and i dont know how can run this : touch /quota.user /quota.group |
| 14:22.45 | x`y`-xy | chmod 600 /quota.* |
| 14:22.45 | x`y`-xy | mount -o remount / |
| 14:22.45 | x`y`-xy | quotacheck -avugm |
| 14:22.45 | x`y`-xy | quotaon -avug |
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| 14:22.47 | Vme | i'm running a celeron D 2.53 |
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| 14:22.57 | x`y`-xy | ufff |
| 14:22.59 | x`y`-xy | sorry |
| 14:23.04 | Vme | its a crappy dell b110 |
| 14:23.06 | x`y`-xy | who can help me |
| 14:23.07 | jetscreamer | hey x`y`-xy guess what you don't do... :) |
| 14:23.09 | nas__ | Vme when you try setting to 1 does it not work? |
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| 14:23.18 | jetscreamer | just ask the question |
| 14:23.23 | Vme | i haven't tried to set it manually |
| 14:23.23 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 14:23.26 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 14:23.26 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:23.30 | nas__ | oh |
| 14:23.32 | Vme | i figured i need to compile it into the kernel |
| 14:23.42 | nas__ | try that hdparm command and set it to one |
| 14:23.46 | nas__ | just man it |
| 14:23.48 | x`y`-xy | hoaw can run ......i guess it is a script |
| 14:23.52 | nas__ | if you try to set it and it doesnt work |
| 14:24.09 | x`y`-xy | i paste it up |
| 14:24.24 | nas__ | than chances are you should check what chip set is on you mobo and either try to load in that module or recopmile kernel |
| 14:24.39 | kimo | did anyone hear about a project to distribute 'ready made' vmware images of Linux distros, performing as various things, like web-servers, email-gateways ... ? |
| 14:25.07 | Vme | /dev/hda: |
| 14:25.07 | Vme | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.07 | Vme | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.14 | x`y`-xy | ok ...i paste it in #flood |
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| 14:26.00 | destr0 | what package is the ps utility in? |
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| 14:26.40 | b1f30_w0rk | hey all. I'm trying to tar the output of dpkg -L - any idears? |
| 14:26.44 | asg | destr0: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:27.20 | kspath | kimo: Did anyone hear about something related to spamming about vmware rather than going to their website or using a search engine? |
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| 14:27.48 | kimo | kspath: lol :) |
| 14:27.56 | kspath | !vmware |
| 14:27.57 | dpkg | methinks vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
| 14:28.17 | kspath | kimo: You are welcome to /join #vmware |
| 14:28.18 | Eclipser | can I (and if so, how) add a new alternative to a command? (man update-alternatives is confusing) |
| 14:28.35 | kimo | well, vmware is free-beer now. So, remove the 'you DID pay for it' part |
| 14:28.46 | Eclipser | really? :o |
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| 14:29.05 | kimo | Eclipser: Yep, vmware server |
| 14:29.05 | kspath | kimo: read, " or offtopic for #debian" |
| 14:29.20 | kimo | heh ok |
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| 14:29.55 | Gnea | hrm, vmware.com is not responding |
| 14:30.01 | Eclipser | kimo, server... |
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| 14:31.21 | kimo | Eclipser: yes |
| 14:31.25 | Eclipser | anyway |
| 14:31.58 | Gnea | kimo: if it's only server, then vmware itself is not 'free beer' |
| 14:32.15 | kimo | Eclipser: http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ is responding |
| 14:32.24 | Eclipser | you need to start reading properly |
| 14:32.33 | kimo | Gnea: Not sure what u mean, but it works, u can install OSs inside it and all |
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| 14:32.47 | Eclipser | it's server edition, it's not workstation :) |
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| 14:33.26 | Gnea | kimo: 'vmware' comprises more than just server |
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| 14:33.38 | Nykheyn | !raid |
| 14:33.38 | dpkg | methinks raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
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| 14:33.51 | Eclipser | Nykheyn, you can pm the bot |
| 14:34.24 | Nykheyn | Eclipser, sorry |
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| 14:34.28 | Gnea | kimo: read this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 14:34.28 | Eclipser | how do I add a command to alternatives link ground? :o *confused* |
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| 14:34.55 | asg | Eclipser: update-alternatives |
| 14:35.07 | Eclipser | yes yes, but I'm confused by the man pages of it |
| 14:35.07 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 14:35.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 14:35.20 | Eclipser | s/ground/group/ |
| 14:35.33 | Nykheyn | exguse me, someone knows something to raid software on debian partitioner? |
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| 14:36.29 | kspath | Nykheyn: What is a "debian partitioner"? In the installation ISOs? |
| 14:36.50 | jelly | Is there a way to have per-process configurable routing? |
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| 14:37.10 | nas__ | Vme same thing happened to me long time ago its annoying |
| 14:37.21 | nas__ | is your drive reallly slow when copying files and stuff |
| 14:37.27 | Gnea | ah, www.vmware.com |
| 14:37.43 | kspath | jelly: How would you do that? |
| 14:37.50 | Nykheyn | kspath, when i install debian, the program that manage partitions |
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| 14:37.56 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
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| 14:38.07 | jelly | kspath: I don't really have an idea. Kernel-level. |
| 14:38.08 | kspath | jelly: Based on process name? based on process owner? based on process priority? |
| 14:38.28 | wwallace_lap | where in debian is the set history= settings the settings for shel commands history? |
| 14:38.45 | Eclipser | asg, now I broke it :> |
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| 14:39.00 | kspath | jelly: Study routing, zebra, quagga, lartc, iptables, netfilter, ... |
| 14:39.40 | asg | Eclipser: what'd you go and do that for ;) |
| 14:40.25 | Nykheyn | if i have a raid controller with 2 raid disks, if i use the raid manager in debian partitioner they could work as raid? |
| 14:40.29 | kspath | Nykheyn: Try asking the question to indicate the partition tool in/on the Stable ISOs that is used during installation? |
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| 14:40.39 | jetscreamer | .bash_profile or .bashrc, and i 'think' /etc/profile for system wide |
| 14:40.42 | jetscreamer | look around |
| 14:40.51 | jelly | kspath: hmm. Haven't heard of either zebra, quagga, or lartc. I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 14:41.55 | jetscreamer | and there's a etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 14:43.24 | kspath | jelly: Remember to ask yourself what criteria you want to use to impact routing. |
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| 14:44.07 | Patrick` | how can I stop my network interfaces renumbering themselves? |
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| 14:44.26 | kspath | jelly: Understanding the questions is the first step in answering them. |
| 14:44.35 | Patrick` | I don't know when it started but now I have to go up a stepladder and run pings after every reboot |
| 14:44.47 | valdyn | Patrick`: apt-cache show ifrename |
| 14:44.49 | Patrick` | something to do with udev |
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| 14:45.20 | csv | any idea why "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't allow me to configure the available resolution modes? it simply skips it. thanks. |
| 14:45.25 | AFC | hi , can anyone tell me what processor architectre ISO i need to download for a 64 bit Intel ? |
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| 14:45.47 | x`y`-xy | where i can change the host name ex: debian:~# hostname |
| 14:45.47 | x`y`-xy | server1.example.com |
| 14:46.00 | bibe | AFC : sarge? |
| 14:46.06 | azeem | x`y`-xy: /etc/hostname |
| 14:46.07 | valdyn | AFC: if you dont know that its itanium you probably have the choice between i386 and amd64 |
| 14:46.07 | AFC | ubuntu |
| 14:46.16 | valdyn | AFC: wrong channel |
| 14:46.23 | AFC | oh ? |
| 14:46.25 | Patrick` | valdyn: will that work with uname |
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| 14:46.27 | AFC | i thought that's ddebian |
| 14:46.36 | x`y`-xy | what i must modify??? azeem ??? |
| 14:46.40 | valdyn | Patrick`: it has nothing to do with uname |
| 14:46.40 | Patrick` | debian is not ubuntu, and ubuntu is not debian. ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:46.42 | bibe | AFC : read the /topic |
| 14:46.44 | Patrick` | er |
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| 14:46.46 | Patrick` | valdyn: udev |
| 14:46.47 | Patrick` | even |
| 14:46.48 | jethro | !tell AFC about based on debian |
| 14:46.50 | azeem | x`y`-xy: please use only one question mark at a time |
| 14:46.54 | azeem | x`y`-xy: edit /etc/hostname |
| 14:46.59 | valdyn | Patrick`: yes sure |
| 14:47.02 | AFC | well regardless i'm not looking for ubuntu specifically , just something that supports 64 bit proc |
| 14:47.11 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 14:47.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 14:47.14 | Patrick` | see, I thought udev had provisions for doing it properly |
| 14:47.19 | jethro | azeem: isn't it better to use hostname(1) ? |
| 14:47.22 | Pyriel | Hi all... |
| 14:47.22 | Pyriel | I'm trying to set an alias on my nic in /etc/modprobe.d/alias file, but sarge just ignore it. Did anyone face the same problem? |
| 14:47.23 | wwallace_lap | where in debian is the variable set history= |
| 14:47.24 | Patrick` | but not if I have to use some hack to independantly rename them on reboot |
| 14:47.28 | azeem | jethro: maybe, dunno |
| 14:47.30 | valdyn | Patrick`: network devices are by default named in the order the modules are loaded, that is all that udev may determine |
| 14:47.40 | Patrick` | it'd be a lot nicer and more polished if udev just did what they were supposed to do |
| 14:47.46 | Patrick` | valdyn: ah, 2 of my cards are the same |
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| 14:47.59 | jethro | azeem: I'd recommend using hostname(1) rather than editing the file actually. |
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| 14:48.07 | Patrick` | the ones that do "untrusted internet" and "semi-trusted flatmates" |
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| 14:48.12 | stew | valdyn: no, as if udev .90 it actually renumbers them, but they are supposed to persist after the first time udev sees a new mac address |
| 14:48.12 | Patrick` | so when they switch over ... |
| 14:48.21 | duanear | ANNOYING! tring to # scp somehost:/dir/file name with spaces ./localdir |
| 14:48.24 | Patrick` | I edited some file and put the macs in it |
| 14:48.26 | Patrick` | but it didn't work |
| 14:48.27 | valdyn | stew: I see |
| 14:48.29 | duanear | fiilename with spaces is kicking my ass |
| 14:48.34 | duanear | what? how? |
| 14:48.37 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 14:48.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:48.44 | mvfeinstein | can anyone here recomend a video player for etch then can do wmv, mpg, and mov? |
| 14:48.49 | rat_poison | hi all. Anyone has experience with hostap driver? I am trying to make an access point out of my debian box and I am running into trouble. Debian Testing. 2.6.15-1 |
| 14:48.54 | stew | duanear: scp somehost:"/dir filn name" ./localdir/ |
| 14:48.56 | Gnea | duanear: try\ to\ escape\ them |
| 14:49.03 | rat_poison | mvfeinstein, how does mplayer sound? |
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| 14:49.18 | duanear | Gnea: mmm, escape spaces... never tried that |
| 14:49.25 | rat_poison | mvfeinstein, mplayer the solution to all your video problems... more or less. |
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| 14:49.30 | stew | duanear: actually you might need to escape them even though "they\ are\ in\ quotes" |
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| 14:49.36 | Gnea | duanear: although, double quotes are likely to actually work |
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| 14:49.50 | _DarkLord_ | do i have to download both isos? |
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| 14:49.55 | Patrick` | I put them in /etc/udev/netinterfaces.rules |
| 14:50.00 | Patrick` | following the syntax in the manual |
| 14:50.04 | Patrick` | and it still swapped them over |
| 14:50.11 | _DarkLord_ | do i have to download both isos? |
| 14:50.21 | stew | Patrick`: did you check the bts for udev? the numbers it is assigning should not be climbing |
| 14:50.22 | Gnea | !tell _DarkLord_ about repeat |
| 14:50.23 | duanear | stew: yep, " and \s worked |
| 14:50.25 | duanear | thanks a bunch |
| 14:50.29 | mvfeinstein | rat_poison can I get that through apt? |
| 14:50.31 | duanear | stew: would single quotes have worked? |
| 14:50.31 | rat_poison | _DarkLord_, what isos are you talking about? |
| 14:50.34 | wwallace_lap | where in debian is the variable set history= |
| 14:50.40 | Patrick` | stew: I don't follow |
| 14:50.51 | _DarkLord_ | the debian isos |
| 14:50.52 | zelko | c u guys, thx so far! |
| 14:50.55 | Patrick` | I have eth0, eth1, and eth2, and they reorder themselves to different cards every reboot |
| 14:50.57 | stew | Patrick`: did you check the bts for udev? /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:51.01 | rat_poison | I dont know about apt but its pretty straightforward to compile it mvfeinstein www.mplayerhq.hu |
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| 14:51.10 | stew | Patrick`: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 14:51.22 | Patrick` | the latest from testing |
| 14:51.26 | jethro | mvfeinstein: /msg dpkg marillat . |
| 14:51.35 | stew | !info udev testing |
| 14:51.51 | rat_poison | _DarkLord_, I hate to say it but you must learn to ask your questions in a way people can answer. |
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| 14:52.03 | Patrick` | someone else claims that udev makes ifrename obsolete |
| 14:52.06 | rat_poison | _DarkLord_, you need to give more info |
| 14:52.13 | csv | how should I add resolution modes to my xorg.conf without editing it? "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" is skipping that section. |
| 14:52.28 | stew | Patrick`: ok then you don't have the udev renumbering stuff yet, its not in testing's udev yet |
| 14:52.30 | _DarkLord_ | Do i have to download both debian DVD isos? |
| 14:52.37 | Gnea | _DarkLord_: the first iso ought to be good enough, unless you have a slow internet connection |
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| 14:52.41 | wwallace_lap | where in debian is the variable set history= |
| 14:52.56 | stew | wwallace_lap: in your .bashrc |
| 14:53.03 | pengol | I have a scsi disc array and when I try to boot from a partition over it grub says selected disc doesn't exist. but when I did grub-install --recheck I got the device listed in the devices map. Any clue? |
| 14:53.04 | wwallace_lap | thanks you |
| 14:53.07 | Patrick` | apparently it made it into etch yesterday |
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| 14:53.17 | Patrick` | I'll do another upgrade and wait until the next reboot |
| 14:53.20 | stew | Patrick`: what version of udev do you have installed? |
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| 14:53.57 | rat_poison | jethro, I had problems accessing marillat server many times. |
| 14:54.02 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.091-2 (etch), Packaged size: 257 kB, Installed size: 968 kB |
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| 14:54.11 | keck0f | hi |
| 14:54.13 | jethro | rat_poison: I feel sorry for you. |
| 14:54.23 | Patrick` | 0.091-2 |
| 14:54.26 | Patrick` | is installing now |
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| 14:54.33 | rat_poison | yeah jethro and on my office computer I cannot access www.angelfire.com |
| 14:54.35 | Patrick` | I'll see if this fixes it |
| 14:54.46 | Patrick` | but the documentation said it worked fine |
| 14:54.48 | jethro | !comfort rat_poison |
| 14:54.48 | dpkg | There, there, rat_poison. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:54.49 | rat_poison | come to think of it even here. |
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| 14:56.00 | Patrick` | it's taking a very very long time to install |
| 14:56.09 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 14:57.10 | Fox_1_ | can i set display colors 32 bit in X? |
| 14:57.59 | r_marvin | depending on the driver, yes |
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| 14:58.12 | r_marvin | with modern cards, yes |
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| 15:00.38 | stew | Fox_1_: no |
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| 15:02.04 | mykhi | hi, i have updated my debian with apt-get dist-upgrade (unstable) and after reboot my cd-rom isnt detected anymore ;/ |
| 15:02.12 | nix | does anyone know of software which sends keyboard signals? I've been messing around with xvkbd, xsendkey, xsendkeys, lineakd, but somehow none of these work correctly. I have a keyboard with extra buttons and however I bind any of these key-generating applications to the keys, they have a 10% chance of actually responding to the physical keypress. is there anything that sends key presses on a lower level? |
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| 15:02.48 | Patrick` | nix: no, unfortunately |
| 15:02.55 | stew | mykhi: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:03.00 | Patrick` | there's been some mutterings about a kernel driver to do it |
| 15:03.07 | mykhi | 2.6.16.14 |
| 15:03.08 | Patrick` | but I don't think one exists |
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| 15:03.29 | nix | it's crazy. If I use the extra buttons to start applications it works 100% of the time. but if I use any of the keygenerating apps, it works 10% of the time |
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| 15:03.46 | Patrick` | nix: what's the problem if the buttons work |
| 15:03.52 | nix | and no, that makes no sense. thats exactly my problem. |
| 15:04.02 | stew | mykhi: is it an ide cdrom? is ide-cd loaded? did you compile ide-cd as a module or directly into the kernel? |
| 15:04.03 | Patrick` | bind the key to a shell script |
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| 15:04.15 | Patrick` | and instead of auto-generating keypresses, just trigger the script instead |
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| 15:04.24 | nix | Patrick`: i can bind "echo hello world" to any of the extra buttons. this works flawlessly. |
| 15:04.32 | Patrick` | go on |
| 15:05.02 | Patrick` | but when you, say, run "fake_button_press extra_button_2" it often fails to work? |
| 15:05.12 | nix | Patrick`: however, whenever I have it run xvkbd -text "\[1]" or xsendkey 1 or xsendkeys 1, it doesn't work. i have to really mash the button (10 times a second) to get about 2 keypresses |
| 15:05.29 | mykhi | stew yes, its ide, dunno about how i compiled ide-cd in kernel |
| 15:05.31 | Patrick` | hang on |
| 15:05.41 | Patrick` | you're rebinding the special button to act just like a normal button? |
| 15:05.42 | nix | i've used xbindkeys, and lineakd. |
| 15:06.13 | nix | yes, I'm trying to have these extra buttons set up als alt-[a-z] or ctrl-[a-z] but this is not working at all. |
| 15:06.14 | Patrick` | isn't that kind of a waste of a button? |
| 15:06.19 | Patrick` | aah |
| 15:06.22 | Patrick` | as combos |
| 15:06.38 | stew | mykhi: grep IDECD /boot/config-2.6.16.14 |
| 15:06.40 | Patrick` | well, I can see that being useful |
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| 15:06.42 | nix | Patrick`: regardless. this works perfectly when I map them on my mouse button in xbindkeys. but its a 10% chance of working if I map them to my keyboards. |
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| 15:07.02 | mykhi | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=m |
| 15:07.02 | Patrick` | isn't there a lower level way to do it in the x server? |
| 15:07.02 | mykhi | module it says |
| 15:07.11 | stew | mykhi: is it loaded? |
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| 15:07.15 | Patrick` | i would be nice to actually do it in the kernel though |
| 15:07.18 | stew | mykhi: is ide-scsi loaded? |
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| 15:07.26 | Patrick` | it'd be great to be able to use something like that even on a root console |
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| 15:07.30 | mykhi | ide-cd yes |
| 15:07.36 | enrico1919 | hello to everybody |
| 15:07.43 | mykhi | fatal__: Module ide_scsi not found. |
| 15:07.45 | nix | Patrick`: it goes as far as that on my mouse, I have button 10 mapped to Ctrl-X. I can mash mouse button 10 indefinately and it works 100% of the time. If i change the xbindkeys file to not respond to mouse button 10, but to keyboard keysym 170 (example), it doesnt work. |
| 15:07.55 | Patrick` | nix: I'll ask a guy I know |
| 15:07.59 | stew | mykhi: that's good, (you don't want ide-scsi loaded) |
| 15:07.59 | kspath | nix: key repeating? only keys like alt or shift and the like are modifier keys. |
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| 15:08.25 | nix | kspath: ignore the ctrl/alt modifiers. I have removed them just to clarify. it doesnt even work properly when using a, or 1 |
| 15:08.33 | kspath | nix: ctrl-x already has a purpose. |
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| 15:08.43 | nix | kspath: these are all examples only. |
| 15:08.47 | nix | let me rephrase. |
| 15:09.05 | Patrick` | "if you rebind the button to pretend to be another button on the same keyboard, it doesn't work" |
| 15:09.07 | mykhi | but its not working ;/ |
| 15:09.09 | Patrick` | that's my understanding of it |
| 15:10.20 | nix | I have a 12 button mouse and a keyboard with 20 extra keys. I use xbindkeys to map mouse button 10 to the command 'xvkbd -text "\[1]"'. I can push mouse button 10 times, and i get 10 times '1'. If I change this mapping to my keyboards extra key (example, keysym 170), it doesn't work if i push this extra key on the keyboard. when I push it 10 times, i get only one or two times '1'. |
| 15:10.52 | nix | and it is driving me mad =/ |
| 15:11.03 | nix | because it makes no sense whatsoever |
| 15:11.07 | hejux | thingfish, mark_rush ? |
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| 15:11.42 | Patrick` | do not feel that I am proposing alternate solutions to your examples out of bloody-mindedness or stupidity, but because I have no idea how to fix your actual problem. |
| 15:12.44 | Patrick` | investigate a possible correlation between whether it works and the length of time the button is pressed |
| 15:12.55 | nix | no correlation. |
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| 15:12.57 | Patrick` | e.g. does work more often when quickly stabbing it |
| 15:13.04 | nix | without xbindkeys running, xev's output is perfectly normal |
| 15:13.12 | nix | there's no hardware problem so to say |
| 15:13.14 | stew | mykhi: do you have "hal" installed? |
| 15:13.29 | mykhi | yes i do |
| 15:13.54 | Fox_1_ | can i set display colors 32 bit in X? |
| 15:14.00 | stew | mykhi: does "hal-device | grep cdrom" return stuff or no? |
| 15:14.12 | nix | it is just completely confusing that it works in the same xbindkeys script for mousebutton 10, but doesnt for keysym 170 |
| 15:14.17 | enrico1919 | can i read ntfs partition in debian? |
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| 15:14.43 | nix | !tell enrico1919 about ntfs |
| 15:14.56 | thingfish | hi hejux |
| 15:15.12 | Patrick` | there's probably some underlying reason for it |
| 15:15.17 | hejux | hi ! |
| 15:15.25 | mykhi | stew: no |
| 15:15.27 | hejux | is mark_rush you ? |
| 15:15.30 | thingfish | hejux: nihao |
| 15:15.33 | thingfish | hejux: yes |
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| 15:15.42 | hejux | hehe ,xiexie |
| 15:15.49 | thingfish | :) |
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| 15:16.12 | stew | mykhi: are you using anything else on that ide controller? |
| 15:16.12 | hejux | you are offline |
| 15:16.36 | mykhi | no, hdd's i have sata connected |
| 15:16.42 | thingfish | hejux: I don't use MSN really, just freenode IRC. |
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| 15:17.21 | hejux | oh , i see , |
| 15:17.22 | stew | mykhi: do you have a driver loaded for the ide controller? |
| 15:17.33 | mykhi | urm.. dunno |
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| 15:22.54 | borco | bye |
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| 15:24.59 | mykhi | stew: i have loaded ide-cd |
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| 15:26.32 | fish1209 | anyone here had any issues with k3b? |
| 15:26.48 | fish1209 | /usr/bin/cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.16-1-486 |
| 15:26.48 | fish1209 | /usr/bin/cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
| 15:27.01 | stew | fish1209: you can ignore those warnings |
| 15:27.10 | stew | mykhi: it was already loaded, i thought? |
| 15:27.16 | fish1209 | it wont burn it just ejects the cd |
| 15:27.18 | mykhi | yes |
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| 15:27.25 | Kournikoza | hello, when i boot my pc with a simple compact flash, it gives DriveReady SeekComplete errors (it has all to do with DMA).. how can i disable DMA for everything, but not for compact flash? CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y ? will that solve the problem of the DriveReady Error stuff at boot? |
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| 15:28.41 | rat_poison | can someone help me with bridging a wireless and wired card? I am trying to following http://www.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/hostap_20021012.shtml and I am having trouble. |
| 15:28.52 | rat_poison | actually its bridging in general |
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| 15:29.54 | stew | mykhi: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0101/{print $3}'" output? |
| 15:30.16 | mykhi | 8086:24d1 |
| 15:31.04 | stew | mykhi: ok so you only have one ide controller, and i assume ata_piix is loaded |
| 15:31.05 | newpers | i'm using jidgo to d/l debian. somehow my computer shut off in the middle of the night. i restarted this morning, but i had to reenter all of the settings. is there a way to see a percentage of how much it's already done (or how much is left)? |
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| 15:31.42 | mykhi | stew: yes |
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| 15:32.10 | stew | mykhi: does "dmesg | grep -i cd" return anything about your cdrom? |
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| 15:32.41 | Patrick` | nix: my mate doesn't know why it wouldn't work |
| 15:32.45 | mykhi | stew: no, only USB |
| 15:32.47 | mykhi | things |
| 15:32.55 | Patrick` | he says to try changing the kernel if you know C |
| 15:34.01 | nix | Patrick`: I am at a complete loss here |
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| 15:34.18 | Patrick` | it could be some sort of odd "beat frequency" thing with keyboard repeat rates |
| 15:34.41 | thingfish | hejux: ? |
| 15:34.56 | nix | Patrick`: my programming knowledge doesnt go that far. but it's a logitech G15, fyi. |
| 15:35.25 | Patrick` | I assume you've tried the obvious sources of information |
| 15:35.36 | nix | thre's not much to go around |
| 15:36.25 | nix | there is a driver that is used to enable the extra keys. i run that. |
| 15:36.36 | Patrick` | ah, is it obscure |
| 15:36.44 | Patrick` | you could borrow another keyboard with custom keys |
| 15:36.45 | nix | still shouldnt matter, since xev's output is perfectly normal when not running xbindkeys |
| 15:36.52 | Patrick` | or temporarily remap, say, F1 |
| 15:36.57 | Patrick` | to see if it works better |
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| 15:37.56 | nix | i'll try that one. |
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| 15:38.09 | runa__ | hi can somebody tell me where to find kuote and if it works with fluxbox ? |
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| 15:38.54 | runa__ | i mean its not in the standard ftp sites of debian |
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| 15:39.16 | enrico1919 | how must i set the various option for every my account of email in mutt? |
| 15:39.48 | Patrick` | oh bugger |
| 15:39.53 | Patrick` | udev's upgrade failed |
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| 15:43.04 | enrico1919 | csd |
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| 15:48.16 | siebeneicher | can anyone say me if the nic configuration (e.g. speed and duplex) are written to the card itself oder saved on the system? |
| 15:48.29 | nix | Patrick`: even if I unmap F1's keysym and then use F1 to run xvkbd, the problem persists. mapping F1 to one of the extra keys works perfectly. |
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| 15:49.18 | asg | siebeneicher: use mii-tool, ethtool, or mii-diag (if dmesg doesn't give you the default) |
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| 15:49.48 | enrico1919 | but how can i download my emails with mutt?...mutt isn t like outlook? |
| 15:50.12 | asg | enrico1919: it has imap support. Otherwise, use getmail or fetchmail to deliver them to a local mailbox for mutt to work with |
| 15:50.22 | bronze | enrico1919: fetchmail |
| 15:50.32 | nix | Patrick`: so for some reason the problem is occuring whenever I try to map a button on the keyboard to a keypress. |
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| 15:50.56 | nix | but not on the mouse. that works perfectly. |
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| 15:51.36 | destr0 | isn't there a way to list an in-depth view of file permissions? |
| 15:51.38 | backz | how I install ruby 1.8.4 on debian sarge with checkinstall and rdoc ? |
| 15:51.49 | siebeneicher | asg: i tried out ethtool and mii-tool but my card is not supported yet... the card comes with an ip1000a chip, driver works but the nic config has changed to: speed = undefined and autoneg is off... so the card dont work |
| 15:52.08 | stew | backz: don't, install it from backports.org, /msg dpkg backports |
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| 15:52.17 | enrico1919 | bronze...: how can i use fetchmail?^ |
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| 15:52.32 | siebeneicher | any workaround to get the default nic configs again? |
| 15:52.33 | backz | stew, backports again... oh! do u remember me ? |
| 15:52.33 | stew | destr0: in depth? what do you mean? |
| 15:52.46 | stew | backz: i'm sorry, no |
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| 15:52.58 | destr0 | stew: like what sticky bits are set |
| 15:53.15 | backz | stew, u was help-me with kernel images from backports. |
| 15:53.25 | destr0 | I'm trying to alter a file that I'm the owner of, but says I dont' have permission |
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| 15:54.07 | enrico1919 | but for send mail with a specified account...what can i do? |
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| 15:54.32 | stew | destr0: sticky bits would have nothing to do with that? what does ls -l filename say? does "lsattr filename" list all ----'s? |
| 15:54.51 | destr0 | lsattr is what I was trying to remember |
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| 15:55.32 | destr0 | it lists suS-iadAc-------- |
| 15:55.54 | stew | destr0: the i would prevent you from changing the file |
| 15:56.30 | backz | stew, I run: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and I've this message: he following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. is it correct? what's wrong ? |
| 15:56.58 | backz | if I do: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 manually, it will uninstall my grub |
| 15:57.01 | stew | backz: nothing is wrong. /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 15:57.37 | destr0 | stew: I'm a newb, is there a command to clear the i chattr <something>? |
| 15:58.03 | stew | destr0: chattr -i files |
| 15:59.04 | stew | destr0: how did this attrs get set? |
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| 15:59.17 | zzsputnik | hi |
| 15:59.52 | destr0 | stew: suS--adAc-------- still leaves me with an unalterable file |
| 16:00.20 | zzsputnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.42 | Patrick` | nix: try to borrow a different type of keyboard from someone else |
| 16:00.52 | stew | destr0: why are all these attrs on this file? i'm not sure they all make sense |
| 16:01.02 | backz | stew, ok, Remv grub (0.95+cvs20040624-17 Debian:3.1r2/stable). Inst linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 [2.6.16-9bpo1] (2.6.16-11bpo1 Backports.org archive:sarge-backports) |
| 16:01.03 | backz | . Conf linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 (2.6.16-11bpo1 Backports.org archive:sarge-backports) |
| 16:01.10 | stew | destr0: with a you can only append |
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| 16:01.40 | davidinux | hi |
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| 16:09.41 | Azar | hello honorables, I just read the news (old by now) is #debian going to move off the freenode? |
| 16:10.47 | Ronin | news to us |
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| 16:11.15 | Azar | I read on debian news on 05/09/06 |
| 16:11.23 | asg | Azar: #debian on freenode isn't the official channel anyway; never has been. |
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| 16:12.01 | Azar | asg ... I see |
| 16:12.03 | stew | Azar: its being discusses, afaik, nothing has been decided. #debian will remain here no matter what, its just that the irc.debian.org alias might be changed |
| 16:12.13 | stew | ^sses^ssed |
| 16:12.20 | Ronin | ack, ya lets do a jabber network instead, yeesshh |
| 16:12.31 | Azar | :( ewww at jabber |
| 16:12.43 | asg | Ronin: you could always use bitlbee to connect to it with irssi-text anyway :p |
| 16:12.44 | Bazy | Azar I read that too... the alias irc.debian.org will move from freenode... I don't think it's a good ideea... |
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| 16:13.03 | kazm | I have some strange problem with my debian unstable. The kernel just gave me this, when trying to install timidity (synth sequencer). My system have been extremely unstable for the last 2 weeks. |
| 16:13.06 | Ronin | but like stew said it was just asked and is being discussed only |
| 16:13.19 | kazm | Running linux 2.16.1-k7 |
| 16:13.28 | Azar | Bazy: well somehow I feel what is going on, and I agree, but jabber? no please |
| 16:13.30 | asg | kazm: first, check the bts |
| 16:13.41 | kazm | Whoops, forgot the link: http://pastebin.com/709600 |
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| 16:14.11 | atrus | eh, you can make jabber chat integrate well with irc anyways. |
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| 16:14.44 | backz | stew, backports.org haven't ruby 1.8.4 packages... =( |
| 16:14.49 | asg | kazm: ouch, kernel oops |
| 16:14.56 | lordnazgul | are there equivalent kernel security patches (similar to grsecurity or adamantix) for 2.6 kernel in sarge? |
| 16:15.13 | thom_ | What is a good way to share .mp3's? Should I have one user account called 'music' or just have a group called 'music' and put the appropriate users in that group? |
| 16:15.29 | asg | lordnazgul: the patches exist but no pre-patched kernel packages are available |
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| 16:15.45 | kazm | asg: Furthermore allmost all of my programs segfaults ever so often. |
| 16:15.46 | kazm | :( |
| 16:15.50 | lordnazgul | asg so i have to apply them manually? |
| 16:15.55 | asg | kazm: then you have a memory issue I'd bet |
| 16:16.02 | stew | backz: wierd, i could have sworn it did. in that case /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 16:16.18 | asg | lordnazgul: well, the src package may apply them for you but I don't know off the top of my head. |
| 16:16.29 | lordnazgul | ok thx much |
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| 16:16.36 | kazm | asg: You mean defect RAM? |
| 16:16.36 | Bazy | Azar it's still irc.debian.org CNAME chat.freenode.net |
| 16:16.49 | asg | kazm: most likely |
| 16:16.52 | netcrash | Hello , I'm trying to reconfigure X using dpkg-reconfigure but don't know what package name I should use, it's debian sarge . |
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| 16:17.03 | asg | kazm: try using memtest86 to see if that is, in fact, the case. |
| 16:17.07 | Azar | Bazy: not only, there is another server as well, but I prefer to come to this one. |
| 16:17.19 | stew | wow, the new apt is awesome! |
| 16:17.19 | asg | kazm: also, you mentioned you were running a k7 kernel. Are you sure you have a k7 processor? |
| 16:17.31 | Azar | stew: new apt? :) |
| 16:17.31 | asg | kazm: try using a basic i386 kernel and see if similar things happen |
| 16:17.32 | stew | it supports Packages.gz diffs, so apt-get update is way faster |
| 16:17.37 | kazm | asg: Pretty sure. It |
| 16:17.40 | asg | stew: finally :) |
| 16:17.41 | cheal | stew: :D |
| 16:17.43 | stew | Azar: 0.6.44 |
| 16:17.43 | netcrash | Hello , I'm trying to reconfigure X using dpkg-reconfigure but don't know what package name I should use, it's debian sarge . What should be the package name ? |
| 16:17.50 | cheal | !drxx netcrash |
| 16:17.50 | dpkg | netcrash: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:17.58 | kazm | asg: Pretty sure. It's an AMD Duron. |
| 16:17.58 | Azar | yay me does an upgrade right now |
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| 16:18.13 | netcrash | thank you |
| 16:18.30 | asg | kazm: if you happen to be able to, see what the CPU temp is also |
| 16:18.33 | netcrash | !xmd5 |
| 16:18.33 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 16:22.00 | Azar | aw, no apt? only: adduser debhelper klogd libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libcairo2 libpcre3 |
| 16:22.04 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:22.51 | cheal | Azar: what? |
| 16:23.21 | Azar | cheal: that was at stew's new apt comment |
| 16:23.58 | cheal | Azar: ok, but what does it mean? |
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| 16:24.40 | nix | Patrick`: i think i have a clue. with the mouse, X already knows where to send the keypress to, but on the keyboard it doesn't know what window is active. maybe keyboard based events get ran outside the scope of X |
| 16:24.48 | Azar | hmm new udev created : Added Linux * Added LinuxOLD.. |
| 16:25.07 | Azar | cheal I upgraded now hoping I get the new apt as well |
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| 16:25.57 | Azar | stew that new apt is some kind of interface for gdm or kdm? |
| 16:26.05 | thom_ | What is the /usr/share folder for? |
| 16:26.40 | cheal | Azar: huh |
| 16:27.52 | cheal | thom_: man hier |
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| 16:30.26 | thom_ | cheal: Where should I put files to be shared amongst users of the same group? |
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| 16:32.04 | cheal | thom_: depends on the kind of file, but ask the channel |
| 16:32.34 | zOrK | ummm |
| 16:32.39 | thom_ | cheal: MP3's |
| 16:32.51 | zOrK | Does anybody study at University of miami? |
| 16:33.09 | azeem | zOrK: how is that related to Debian? |
| 16:33.32 | lordnazgul | is there a way to switch running kernels w/o rebooting |
| 16:33.50 | asg | lordnazgul: not yet but there are experimental patches in the works |
| 16:33.50 | azeem | lordnazgul: how would that work? |
| 16:33.58 | n0t_flan | Does anyone know how to disable numlock on a Thinkpad? It isn't an Fn-linked key. |
| 16:34.01 | lordnazgul | ok thx |
| 16:34.06 | cheal | asg: wow, amazing :) |
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| 16:34.15 | asg | cheal: iirc, it was on lkml some time back |
| 16:34.49 | asg | n0t_flan: try numlockx |
| 16:35.00 | n0t_flan | 'x'? |
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| 16:35.27 | n0t_flan | The Numlock/Scroll lock key isn't linked to the Fn key, and it doesn't work by itself. |
| 16:35.37 | n0t_flan | I don't know what other key I have to hold with it. |
| 16:35.43 | cheal | asg: bah, I'll wait to see it. that sounds like vaporware, like APT pdiffs. oh wait, we got those now :D |
| 16:35.51 | asg | n0t_flan: see if tuxmobile.org has any info for your particular model |
| 16:35.56 | thom_ | How do I get a list of users installed on a debian machine? |
| 16:36.00 | asg | cheal: hehe |
| 16:36.04 | asg | thom_: getent |
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| 16:37.01 | stew | n0t_flan: shift + scrlk |
| 16:37.09 | Serinity | Hey everyone, for some funny reason, my ip seem to resolve a domain name that's not mine but when i dig this name, nothing seems to relate to my ip.... any way i can see what links both ? |
| 16:37.30 | asg | Serinity: whois |
| 16:37.42 | Serinity | hum |
| 16:37.46 | Serinity | lemme see |
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| 16:38.40 | n0t_flan | Thanks, stew. That worked. :) |
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| 16:39.18 | billdoe | hello, anyone have experience makeing livecds from a debootstrap? |
| 16:39.30 | Serinity | humm |
| 16:39.36 | Serinity | hold, in what this could help me ? |
| 16:39.42 | asg | billdoe: deboostrap + bootcd works pretty well. |
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| 16:39.58 | billdoe | i was thinking about using the knoppix patches |
| 16:40.09 | billdoe | they seem to have really good hardware detection |
| 16:40.30 | billdoe | they have their own ini package... |
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| 16:41.00 | billdoe | i was wondering if i just install that... |
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| 16:42.01 | cheal | azeem: just wondering, since I can't help with this, but did you notice that tla FTBFS on mips and alpha? |
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| 16:42.29 | azeem | cheal: no |
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| 16:43.02 | kristalino | how to compress and encrypt a file with tar ? |
| 16:43.28 | wedgeV | how do i recover a messed up /var/lib/dpkg ? |
| 16:43.29 | cheal | azeem: OK. maybe you should get a look at it, because tla is among the 3 blockers for the neon transition, and it's currently only ITA-d |
| 16:43.45 | azeem | cheal: thanks for notifying me |
| 16:43.54 | beered | I have FAT32 partition automount in fstab when I login. I can read the partition just fine but I can't write to it unless I'm a super user. What gives? |
| 16:43.58 | cheal | azeem: just in case it would be related to the latest NMU. |
| 16:44.04 | azeem | looks like sudo breakage |
| 16:44.11 | cheal | azeem: it's my pleasure if you appreciate it |
| 16:44.50 | peritus | kristalino: are you sure that is possible? you should probably consider gnupg for encryption |
| 16:45.03 | tobias | What could it mean if /sbin/init is hanging immediately after INIT: version 2.86 booting; NET: Registered protocol family 1 ? |
| 16:45.27 | kristalino | peritus, yeap it could be piped through gnupg... Do you know how ? |
| 16:45.33 | cheal | azeem: ah, right...sorry then |
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| 16:46.14 | peritus | kristalino: you could have a look at my script for compressing/encrypting backups, using tar and gnupg |
| 16:46.18 | entheogen | do I need kernel source to isntall supermount or I can do it with headers?? |
| 16:46.39 | azeem | cheal: well, it needs fixing |
| 16:47.06 | azeem | the recent sudo behaviour change of removing most variables from the environment introduced this |
| 16:47.21 | entheogen | anyone? :) |
| 16:47.26 | kristalino | peritus, yes. Where ? |
| 16:47.28 | cheal | azeem: yeah. someone should ask panthera (not a discrete highliting) if he's aware |
| 16:47.36 | peritus | kristalino: one sec |
| 16:47.43 | azeem | is panthera working on tla? |
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| 16:47.54 | cheal | azeem: he ITA-d it |
| 16:47.58 | azeem | ah |
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| 16:50.14 | peritus | kristalino: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2520 |
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| 16:51.13 | peritus | ouh, TMPDIR does not matter anymore |
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| 16:51.43 | mykhi | stew: i think its problem with IDE controler |
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| 16:51.53 | beered | I have FAT32 partition automount in fstab when I login. I can read the partition just fine but I can't write to it unless I'm a super user. How can I fix this? |
| 16:52.07 | cheal | azeem: the sudo change is in 1.6.8p12-2, right? |
| 16:52.11 | stew | beered: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 16:52.19 | azeem | cheal: I don't know, probably |
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| 16:52.40 | azeem | somewhen in February or so |
| 16:52.51 | beered | stew: cool |
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| 16:55.45 | peritus | kristalino: you have to generate a keypair first |
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| 16:56.30 | sandman | Is Totem supposed to be an all-around media player, or is there something else for that? |
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| 16:56.59 | kristalino | peritus, ok, thanks. I'll try it |
| 16:57.11 | Entheogen | where can I find supermount patch for 2.6 kernel? (debian package) |
| 16:57.27 | cheal | azeem: hum. because fs's NMU built everywhere on 2006-04-06, and 1.6.8p12-2 (I don't think it was introduced later) was uploaded on 2006-04-02 |
| 16:57.37 | tjansson | I tried to install "checkinstall" but it doesn't seems to be in the repository of testing - anybody know why or were to find it? |
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| 16:58.20 | azeem | cheal: sudo should build fine |
| 16:58.41 | azeem | but sudo is used on some arches (alpha, mips and mipsel) to build packages, and those fail to build tla |
| 16:58.51 | panthera | cheal, azeem: he is, but we have no real internet at debconf :/ |
| 16:59.03 | azeem | panthera: see #d-d on OFTC |
| 16:59.23 | cheal | panthera: ah, thanks for the insight ;) |
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| 17:01.41 | cheal | azeem: thanks, I didn't know that. I agree it must be the sudo change then |
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| 17:01.58 | tjansson | If "checkinstall" isn't availeble for debian - what should use to build .deb packages instead? |
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| 17:02.34 | stew | !info checkinstall |
| 17:02.42 | stew | tjansson: what package are you trying to create? |
| 17:03.01 | tjansson | vim 7.9 |
| 17:03.05 | tjansson | 7.0 i mean |
| 17:03.18 | stew | tjansson: what version of debian are you running? testing, i assume? |
| 17:03.26 | tjansson | stew: yes |
| 17:03.33 | stew | !why is checkinstall not in testing |
| 17:03.33 | dpkg | checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=checkinstall |
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| 17:04.28 | winn2 | my superviser is trying to figure out why we are getting this error on our backup machine. we are using multiple cards in our backup machine. We have a Promiss sata 300tx4, and three ATA cards (3 SIG UltraATA 133 PCI) or (3 promise ultra 100tx2). We are experiencing hard lockups with the SIIG cards and the sata, and this error "kernel: hdi: drive_cmd: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel: ide: failed opcode was: 0xea BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!" with the |
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| 17:04.44 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 17:04.45 | winn2 | has anyone seen this before? |
| 17:04.53 | stew | tjansson: there are vim7 packages in experimental, they will hopefully be in unstable soonish |
| 17:05.13 | azeem | network is bad at debconf |
| 17:05.23 | azeem | (where the main vim maintainers are, AFAIK) |
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| 17:05.26 | stew | yeah |
| 17:05.34 | stew | azeem: you didn't go? |
| 17:05.44 | azeem | I will go on Saturday |
| 17:05.50 | tjansson | stew: i justed build the binary for my ubuntu machine so I eager to make it work on my debian machine |
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| 17:06.15 | stew | tjansson: if you want to use checkinstall, use the sid version |
| 17:06.50 | stew | tjansson: if there are vim7 packages in ubuntu, backport them, "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" but substitude dapper, or whatever for sid/unstable |
| 17:07.08 | tjansson | stew: forgot how to that - is there info sid or something - how do i get one .deb from sid to my server |
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| 17:07.15 | stew | tjansson: you can downlaod the deb from http://packages.debian.org/checkinstall |
| 17:07.45 | tjansson | stew: i just compile the thing on my one and made a binary with checkinstall on ubuntu |
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| 17:08.50 | ericP | i see four scary bugs in list-bugs: "grave bugs of apt (0.6.43.3 -> 0.6.44)..." . can anyone here confirm or deny these scary bugs? |
| 17:09.25 | stew | ericP: did you look at the actual bug reports on the bts? |
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| 17:10.14 | stew | ericP: i don't see any grave bugs filed against apt |
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| 17:11.35 | ericP | stew, does the "Done: Michael Vogt <mvogt@acm.org>" indicate that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335344 is no longer pertinent in the distribution? |
| 17:11.40 | humbolt | how can I pipe the error messages to /dev/null? |
| 17:11.53 | Patrick` | 2&>/dev/null |
| 17:11.55 | azeem | ericP: yes |
| 17:12.16 | ericP | azeem, interesting. is apt-listbugs just being alarmist? |
| 17:12.37 | azeem | I don't know apt-listbugs |
| 17:12.50 | stew | ericP: did you read that bug report? it was for a very old version of apt being run on a mixed ubuntu system |
| 17:12.57 | humbolt | Patrick`: does seem to pipe everything to dev null |
| 17:13.04 | ericP | i would have expected it would only report the bugs that weren't done, if "done" means "fixed in the latest package" |
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| 17:13.28 | streuner | ericP: apt-listbugs shows existing bugs, if there aren't any in BTS you are fine ;-) |
| 17:13.40 | streuner | or not :-) |
| 17:13.52 | yang | would this work "for i in `cat fingerprints`; do caff $i -u AA8AB3B7 00E80E86; done" ? |
| 17:14.01 | humbolt | does anybody ever use fping? |
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| 17:14.25 | humbolt | I want to use it without seeing all the "ICMP Time Exceeded from 172.20.138.1 for ICMP Echo sent to 172.20.138.11" messages. |
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| 17:14.56 | HS^ | i want to kill a lot of peoples. |
| 17:15.02 | Patrick` | what sets it apart from, say, "ping" |
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| 17:15.09 | ericP | stew, yeah, i just picked the first. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343701 seemed more scarey, but it is also marked "done" so i guess i need to change my understanding of how to use listbugs |
| 17:15.17 | myboxen | just let me know where you are at, so I can not be there when you do :) |
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| 17:15.40 | HS^ | im in holland and i want to kill a lot of peoples |
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| 17:16.40 | killer_ | what |
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| 17:17.36 | stew | HS^: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 17:17.49 | GoAuLd | !xgl |
| 17:17.49 | dpkg | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 17:17.50 | flamy | Hi all, I'm a new debian user and I've just installed debian sarge. Now i'm trying to upgrade xfree86 to xorg 6.8.2 but I can't find repository that has that version. could anyone point me at that direction. |
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| 17:18.11 | valdyn | flamy: http://www.backports.org/ |
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| 17:18.26 | Aix | which would be software more indicated for animation..style of premiere? |
| 17:18.34 | Azar | flamy: the stable release does not support xorg, use backports |
| 17:18.38 | flamy | i tried backports but they don't have version 6.8.2 |
| 17:18.47 | stew | !xgl =~ s#It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in.#see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl# |
| 17:18.47 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 17:19.00 | gnufan | flamy: why? the whole point of sarge is a stable, self consistent system, adding in something like Xorg will just break stuff for minimal gain?! |
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| 17:19.13 | flamy | I tried to update using command apt-get install xserver-xorg=6.8.2 |
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| 17:19.28 | Azar | flamy: newer does not mean better: most new applications are not verifyed and possibly not stable. Just new: not Better |
| 17:19.33 | stew | flamy: why do you want to upgrade to xorg? |
| 17:19.48 | gnufan | flamy: if you want Xorg why not go with testing -- get a much newer desktop, and help test debian |
| 17:19.51 | valdyn | flamy: what's wrong with xorg6.9 ? |
| 17:19.54 | asg | stan: why do you want to be called Loretta? |
| 17:20.02 | fbn | how can I enable SpamAssassin with Amavis on Debian/testing? |
| 17:20.06 | flamy | I just switched from fedora and im kind of used to translucency and other eyecandy, plus it was pretty stable there |
| 17:20.35 | myboxen | humbolt: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:20.40 | azeem | backports.org has xorg |
| 17:20.50 | myboxen | humbolt: with fping? |
| 17:20.53 | flamy | xorg 6.9 doesn't work with my videocard |
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| 17:21.04 | stew | flamy: what videocard? |
| 17:21.10 | flamy | radeon 7000 |
| 17:21.17 | flamy | in xinerama mode |
| 17:21.40 | stew | flamy: xorg 6.9 works fine with radeon 7000 and xinerama |
| 17:22.19 | pr3d | what package installs mail? (the console mail client) |
| 17:22.20 | flamy | so i just have to type something like apt-get install xserver-xorg ? |
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| 17:22.35 | asg | pr3d: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:22.38 | Azar | flamy: no you have to use backports |
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| 17:23.03 | stew | flamy: no, xorg isn't officially available for debian stable ; http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 17:23.08 | flamy | i added backports to my sources.list |
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| 17:25.06 | gary | I'm having some really annoying problems with realplayer. I'm streaming a file from the internet, I have 2mbps connection and it is not being used, but the file keeps corrupting a little and stopping randomly. The source serving the file is very reliable. Is there anything to help eleviate this problem? |
| 17:25.22 | hobophobe | My motherboard has an onboard LED that reports codes during post. In windows once it's past post the LED stays on the code for "boot complete," but in linux the codes change during boot and then stop on an entirely different code. Does anyone know if this is intended, or something about the way linux boots that's different from windows? |
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| 17:26.55 | Azar | hobophobe: that might be specified on your BIOS documentation? |
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| 17:27.09 | gnufan | flamy: you really want "testing".... trust me.... |
| 17:27.16 | sepski | gary, more buffer ? |
| 17:27.19 | seb- | can someone send me the openoffice icon from stable? |
| 17:27.29 | gary | I have about 300 seconds of buffer on it |
| 17:27.30 | zulu | how do I search for source package? apt-get search source pkg? |
| 17:27.33 | gary | I could try a bit more |
| 17:27.38 | valdyn | zulu: you dont |
| 17:27.43 | valdyn | zulu: why would you? |
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| 17:28.01 | zulu | well, to build the package myself? |
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| 17:28.11 | zulu | source package are not searchable? |
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| 17:28.20 | seb- | valdyn: why did i lose my openoffice icon when upgrading to testing? |
| 17:28.24 | vhuren | how do you recursively delete a particular directory eg I have .notes in all my subdirs I want to delete. |
| 17:28.27 | valdyn | zulu: there's no point, what package are you trying to build? |
| 17:28.29 | flamy | i tried to install testig yesterday - it has broken installer, and i couln't partition my hdd |
| 17:28.36 | zulu | ati-packages |
| 17:28.48 | valdyn | zulu: im sure that package has a proper name |
| 17:28.55 | zulu | yes fglrx-driver |
| 17:29.02 | stew | zulu: if you know the name of the binary package, "apt-cache show packagename | grep Source" will tell you the source pacakge, or if there is no source package listed its the same name as the binary package |
| 17:29.03 | valdyn | zulu: apt-get source fglrx-driver |
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| 17:29.15 | gnufan | flamy: just upgrade to it.... |
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| 17:29.34 | flamy | how do i upgrade to testing? |
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| 17:29.42 | zulu | ok |
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| 17:29.45 | valdyn | zulu: you really are probably looking for something else though i think |
| 17:29.56 | zulu | what do you mean? |
| 17:30.11 | stew | flamy: why do you want to upgrade to testing? |
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| 17:30.26 | kurcarmo | hello ! |
| 17:30.34 | myboxen | hello |
| 17:30.37 | kurcarmo | :D |
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| 17:30.46 | zulu | on this repository I have a deb and deb-src package, as I planed to build the driver myself (for xorg 7.0 and my kernel version) I more interested in source package.. what is wrong? |
| 17:30.57 | gnufan | flamy: basically you replace "stable" with "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do "apt-get dist-upgrade". I think it makes more sense than abusing Sarge with a zillion backports. |
| 17:30.57 | jmp_me | how do i change displaymanager? |
| 17:31.06 | flamy | to have xorg, kde 3.5 and other new stuff |
| 17:31.06 | kurcarmo | is there an specific place to ask a question about sarg ? the squid report generator or can I just make it here ? |
| 17:31.15 | stew | flamy: why not use backports? |
| 17:31.22 | seb- | why my wifi module in sarge but NOT sid!?!? (hostap-modules) |
| 17:31.32 | hobophobe | zulu, apt-cache search; I believe it's 'fglrx-kernel-src' |
| 17:31.38 | flamy | because gunfan just told me to :) |
| 17:31.48 | valdyn | zulu: i dont think xorg 7 is supported by ati |
| 17:32.00 | valdyn | zulu: if it is by now you can generate debs with ATIs installer |
| 17:32.09 | myboxen | kurcarmo: just ask your question |
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| 17:32.34 | hobophobe | I'm using fglrx on xorg 7, but I'm using sid's packages not ATI's |
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| 17:32.58 | kurcarmo | ok, every time I run sarg, since today I get this: SARG: (topsite) Cannot open log file: /var/www/squid-reports/2006May10-2006May10/sites |
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| 17:33.21 | jeld | l |
| 17:33.28 | pumpkin0 | Debian testing: After each "/etc/init/networking restart" resolvconf inserts a invalid dns-server into resolv.conf. The dns-line for that server is commented out in /etc/network/interfaces. Why does resolv not respect the #-signs ? |
| 17:33.29 | gnufan | Eek I so need to get this box upto date in Stable.... this is going to hurt I know it is. |
| 17:33.31 | yang | would this work "for i in `cat fingerprints`; do caff $i -u AA8AB3B7 00E80E86; done" ? |
| 17:33.36 | zulu | you right hobophobe a binary package with source in it... I will never understand apt I think :) |
| 17:33.41 | gnufan | Oops s/stable/sid/ |
| 17:33.51 | kurcarmo | I think it is a memory issue because the file is quite large, or a buffers issue.. |
| 17:33.52 | myboxen | kurcarmo: does the file exist? |
| 17:34.03 | valdyn | zulu: a deb isnt a binary package |
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| 17:34.12 | valdyn | zulu: a deb can contain binaries, that is all |
| 17:34.15 | kurcarmo | myboxen no, ,but sarg always creates it automatically, actually it is a directory |
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| 17:34.42 | valdyn | zulu: and a deb-src doesnt need to contain source code, only what is required to generate the deb |
| 17:34.49 | siebeneicher | hoi, i try to understand a problem with the configuration of a nic(e.g. autoneg, speed...). i want to set such a config on my debian box with ethtool or mii-tool but they said SIOCSIFMAP is not supported... what does that mean? that ethtool or my nic-driver do not support such a command? |
| 17:34.59 | myboxen | so why does it say log file |
| 17:35.01 | zulu | got it valdyn |
| 17:35.16 | pumpkin0 | siebeneicher: the driver does not support the operation. |
| 17:35.35 | asg | siebeneicher: use modinfo <driver> and see if there are any options you can pass at loadtime |
| 17:35.50 | kurcarmo | myboxen a bug on sarg I guess... it's a directory it creates there to put information into it |
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| 17:36.21 | valdyn | zulu: now for fglrx specifically, the only source there is is the interface to your kernel, so the only valid reason to compile anything there would be that you upgraded your kernel, and module-assistant does that part just fine, without needing any deb-src |
| 17:36.23 | kurcarmo | now another question how can I split a file in 2 - 3 parts ? maybe that way I'll be able to handle the information better... ( sarg I mean ) |
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| 17:36.50 | siebeneicher | asg: does not look like i can pass anything, but i am new to linux, what should modinfo say? |
| 17:36.53 | asg | kurcarmo: split(1) or use a better logrotation scheme |
| 17:37.10 | pr3d | i set up syslog-ng to just create one big logfile... somehow there still are created special logs like dpkg.log etc. but they are empty.. what program touches them? |
| 17:37.24 | kurcarmo | thx asg. |
| 17:37.27 | pr3d | it isnt logrotate |
| 17:37.30 | asg | siebeneicher: anything that says 'param: foo: bar' |
| 17:37.38 | siebeneicher | where are the current nic configs saved, on the nic or a place on the system? |
| 17:37.44 | myboxen | ok, is the directory above it +x? |
| 17:38.06 | siebeneicher | asg: no params to pass... any other way to reset the config? |
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| 17:38.42 | GoAuLd | pr3d: id like to know too |
| 17:39.01 | asg | siebeneicher: no clue if that or mii-{tool,diag} or ethtool won't work. |
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| 17:39.35 | asg | siebeneicher: have you had a google for your particular card? |
| 17:39.36 | siebeneicher | asg: one question for understanding, where are the config settings saved? |
| 17:39.46 | siebeneicher | asg: jep! |
| 17:39.54 | asg | siebeneicher: the config settings for things like ip address, etc., are in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:40.10 | vhuren | how do you recursively delete a particular directory eg I have .notes in all my subdirs I want to delete but I dont want to delete any other dirs |
| 17:40.19 | siebeneicher | asg: jeah, i found out, but what about settings like speed or autonegotiation? |
| 17:40.37 | asg | vhuren: find + xargs should work well |
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| 17:40.43 | siebeneicher | asg: all of these settings are undefined, so i cant ifup the interface right... |
| 17:41.08 | GoAuLd | i see firefox eating memory that never frees, even closing firefox. memory is freed only closing the session, anyone knows how to stop that? |
| 17:41.12 | asg | siebeneicher: like I said, they are either set when the drive is modprobbed (or passed to the kernel init if it's internal) or set via mii-tool, mii-diag, or ethtool. |
| 17:41.20 | luis0 | vhuren: find . -name .notes - exec rm {} \; |
| 17:41.38 | asg | luis0: probably want a '-type d' also |
| 17:41.43 | stew | luis0: and a -r |
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| 17:42.12 | siebeneicher | asg: well, your answer make me hoping... |
| 17:42.23 | siebeneicher | asg: but the tools do not work |
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| 17:42.58 | asg | siebeneicher: right, they don't work with all nics. This must be a really crufty driver though since ethernet is generally well supported. |
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| 17:43.38 | siebeneicher | asg: its one from taiwan and it was cheap ;) |
| 17:43.41 | stew | ugh, apache.org is down |
| 17:44.08 | thom_ | exit |
| 17:44.09 | asg | siebeneicher: mmm, okay. |
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| 17:44.35 | adaran | is there any way to find the end of a symbolic link chain? |
| 17:44.50 | siebeneicher | asg: thanks for your notes! i will make a deeper look into modprobe and such stuff... bye |
| 17:44.51 | asg | adaran: ls -H |
| 17:44.53 | vhuren | ik |
| 17:45.10 | myboxen | kurcarmo: take a look here http://sarg.sourceforge.net/lastlog.patch this may be the problem |
| 17:45.18 | mrex | got a MS wireless comfort keybd and i want to use it via USB (I don't have PS2 on this laptop). however, it seems that it just connects and disconnects (tail -f syslog). what can i do? |
| 17:45.20 | adaran | as in, if /usr/bin/java points to /etc/alternatives/java which points to /somewhere/else, i want to do foo /usr/bin/java and have it spit out /somewhere/else |
| 17:45.26 | adaran | asg, that doesn't work for me |
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| 17:45.59 | mrex | should i wait for a new usb-hid to come out into the kernel? doesnt sound promising, already running 2.6.17-rc2 |
| 17:46.11 | adaran | asg, ls -H -l /usr/bin/java just shows me /usr/bin/java (though green instead of blue, as a link would be colored) |
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| 17:46.38 | _Gandalf_ | Hi, when i start fetchmail i get : "fetchmail: no mailservers have been specified." what could be wrong? |
| 17:47.03 | mrex | _Gandalf_ : u need a fetchmailrc in /etc |
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| 17:47.12 | azeem | or a ~/.fetchmailrc |
| 17:47.14 | stew | adaran: f=/usr/bin/java ; while [ -L $f ]; do f=$(readlink $f); done ; echo $f |
| 17:47.44 | mrex | _Gandalf_ use fetchmailconf |
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| 17:48.17 | adaran | stew, that's sort of... long :P |
| 17:48.25 | asg | adaran: use a shell alias then |
| 17:48.36 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: thx |
| 17:48.38 | asg | adaran: or wrap it in a file and stick it in /usr/local/bin |
| 17:48.48 | adaran | nah, i think i'll use readlink -e |
| 17:48.51 | stew | adaran: actaully, just "readlink -f /usr/bin/java" does it |
| 17:48.54 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: there's no fetchmailconf file |
| 17:49.02 | adaran | thanks for the hint though =) |
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| 17:49.11 | adaran | needs to be short, it's for "remote assistance" |
| 17:49.20 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: there is already a /etc/fetchmailrc and it was working but an apt-get upgrade failed with this error |
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| 17:50.12 | myboxen | _Gandalf_ whats inside the fetchmailrc? |
| 17:50.15 | dfgagf | does anyone know who to change what apm does when I close my laptop? |
| 17:50.17 | mrex | _Gandalf_ fetchmailconf is a program that will make you a ~/.fetchmailrc, copy that to /etc for a global setup |
| 17:50.40 | asg | dfgagf: /etc/apm/* |
| 17:50.49 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: Yea but i don't find it, i mean there's no such file, is it a package u mean ? |
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| 17:50.53 | victori | base-config seems to be missing from amd64 branch, can anyone confirm this? |
| 17:51.09 | azeem | victori: it's gone in testing, AFAIK |
| 17:51.11 | mrex | _Gandalf_ yes, u need to apt-get install fetchmailconf first |
| 17:51.11 | asg | victori: it's being removed post-sarge |
| 17:51.17 | dfgagf | do you know which file I have to change inside /etc/apm ? |
| 17:51.24 | victori | so how should I debootstrap? |
| 17:51.27 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: oh ok thx let me try |
| 17:51.27 | victori | testing then? |
| 17:51.28 | asg | dfgagf: probably one of the suspend.d ones or event.d ones |
| 17:51.36 | MaxxMark | Hi.. Got a quick question. Installed a 64bit Debian with the Netinstall CD. But now I was wondering if I was running in pure64 mode or not. And how I can determine if I ám running in pure64bit? |
| 17:51.41 | stew | victori: use the --second-stage option from debootstrap |
| 17:51.50 | victori | thanks man |
| 17:51.51 | asg | MaxxMark: try #debian-amd64 |
| 17:51.59 | MaxxMark | thanks, will do |
| 17:52.11 | azeem | MaxxMark: if you install amd64, it's pure64 |
| 17:52.13 | stew | MaxxMark: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:52.34 | zachhale | so is the latest stable 3.0r5? |
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| 17:52.38 | MaxxMark | 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 17:52.40 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 17:52.40 | asg | zachhale: 3.1r2 |
| 17:52.45 | zachhale | ah, okay |
| 17:52.46 | stew | MaxxMark: that's pure64 |
| 17:52.51 | MaxxMark | ah, cool :P |
| 17:52.52 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: fetchmailconf needs X am on ssh, isn't there a console way to do it ? |
| 17:52.55 | victori | stew: I can't seem to add second-stage |
| 17:53.05 | victori | ./debootstrap --second-stage --arch amd64 sid /home/victori/deb64 http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 17:53.09 | stew | victori: man debootstrap |
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| 17:53.17 | MaxxMark | stew> is that just a fact? or can I check that somewhere ? |
| 17:53.31 | victori | stew: wish i could not on a debian system |
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| 17:53.45 | elvirolo | i'm using debian sid and i've got a problem with kde : the opening splash screen stays on "initializing peripherals" for ever ... is there a log file somewhere i can have a look at ? |
| 17:53.52 | mrex | _Gandalf_ yes, man fetchmailrc, then edit fetchmailrc and then run fetchmail. how are you starting fetchmail? just typing fetchmail? |
| 17:53.59 | stew | victori: you are on a system without man? |
| 17:54.02 | valdyn | MaxxMark: there's no 'mode' thing, your binaries are either 64 bit or not, run 'file' on each to test |
| 17:54.10 | stew | victori: which version of deboostrap are you using? |
| 17:54.14 | dfgagf | there are a few scripts to preserve the clock, set the hd to standby and to restore a ppp connection, but none of theme seems to determine what to do when the laptop is closed |
| 17:54.28 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: invoke-rc.d fetchmail start and/or fetchmail give the same error |
| 17:54.36 | MaxxMark | valdyn> thanks, heard so in #debian-amd64 :) thanks though |
| 17:54.37 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: now am checking the man page |
| 17:54.41 | _Gandalf_ | mrex: hold on :) |
| 17:54.42 | victori | debootstrap_0.2.45-0.2_amd64.deb |
| 17:54.55 | elvirolo | can anyone help me? |
| 17:55.07 | stew | victori: that one is too old to debootstrap testing |
| 17:55.14 | victori | i see |
| 17:55.20 | victori | time to scour some more i suppose |
| 17:55.27 | stew | victori: use the debootstrap from testing or sid |
| 17:55.35 | pumpkin0 | elvirolo: try /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or the xfree86-log ..) |
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| 17:57.24 | victori | stew. thanks for the heads up |
| 17:57.27 | victori | works fine it seems. |
| 17:57.48 | Red_Cloud | OK there were several members of this chat who recommended that I learn iptables and netfilter instead of using fwbuilder for my firewall. After considering your suggestion, I have decided to apply myself and learn to use iptables. Thanks for the direction. |
| 17:58.24 | victori | Red_Cloud: using box for gateway? |
| 17:58.31 | Groundy | sup, I'm trying to figure out what's using all my system resources, using top there's no idle, but system and user are low.... wait% is a high percentage, any way to figuyre out what's doing all that waiting? |
| 17:58.50 | simonrvn | fricking census2006.ca site is discriminatory; they don't allow for linux or other OSes than winblows and mock os x |
| 17:59.09 | valdyn | Groundy: that that is IO wait, your cpu isnt doing much but your disks / network are loaded |
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| 17:59.12 | victori | Red_Cloud: i know this is a bit from left field, but why not pf? it has the cleanest syntax and most features from any of the OSS firewalls out there |
| 17:59.20 | stew | Red_Cloud: i suggest you use fwbuilder |
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| 17:59.32 | Red_Cloud | victori, no. My setup is my personal machine which is a PC at home with no network. I hope that my setup will be fairly simple. |
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| 17:59.52 | Groundy | valdyn: so the fix is? |
| 18:00.14 | valdyn | Groundy: so , that wait means that your cpu is idle because waiting for net / disk |
| 18:01.02 | valdyn | Groundy: what non-obvious 'fix' should there be? |
| 18:01.06 | Groundy | valdyn: I've checked hdparm and it's saying the two disks are in mdma2 mode, but udma2 is possible, |
| 18:01.15 | Red_Cloud | victori, I am trying to get away from gui and learn command line and console. stew, I have set up and configured fwbuilder and have it running as we speak. It is a VERY nice firewall and I am totally in love with it. But I need to be able to manipulate my OS by using command line. |
| 18:01.18 | Groundy | valdyn: I'd think that udma2 would make things faster? |
| 18:01.25 | valdyn | Groundy: nah |
| 18:01.48 | victori | Red_Cloud: and that is why I recommended pf |
| 18:02.06 | victori | Red_Cloud: it has the cleanest scriptable configuration. |
| 18:02.17 | Groundy | valdyn: so is there a way to drill down and find out which process is doing all that IO? or where the IO is happening: disk/net |
| 18:02.17 | valdyn | Groundy: what are you running that is hogging your disks? |
| 18:02.28 | Groundy | valdyn: I'm not sure, that's the issue |
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| 18:02.40 | pr3d | what program except syslog/syslog-ng creates logfiles? |
| 18:02.56 | victori | Red_Cloud: http://openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html |
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| 18:03.10 | jade | how can i check the disk/io utilization? |
| 18:03.14 | Groundy | valdyn: and my load average goes from 1-2-12-24, without much reason, and it doesn't seem to link to cpu usage |
| 18:03.20 | pr3d | because i set up syslog-ng the way i want.. but still there are different logfiles created. |
| 18:03.23 | Red_Cloud | victori, let me take a look at it. Thanks for the link. I was about to ask you for one. |
| 18:03.25 | victori | instead of using openbsd i would just use freebsd-6 |
| 18:03.32 | valdyn | Groundy: yea, that doesnt have to be linked to cpu, can aswell be net or io |
| 18:03.37 | valdyn | Groundy: what are you running? |
| 18:03.38 | JasonF | How do you change the default shell for new userS? |
| 18:03.39 | stew | Groundy: are you swapping? |
| 18:03.43 | _Kpanic | jade: with iostat |
| 18:03.47 | jade | thaks |
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| 18:04.06 | Groundy | valdyn/stew: yea, I think I have a swap thrash issue |
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| 18:04.11 | victori | jason vipw |
| 18:04.14 | _Kpanic | jade: apt-get install systat |
| 18:04.14 | stew | jade: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 18:04.22 | valdyn | Groundy: to few info |
| 18:04.26 | stew | JasonF: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 18:04.40 | stew | Groundy: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 18:05.00 | JasonF | weird, bash is set as the default shell, but all users are sh users |
| 18:05.07 | Groundy | valdyn: 64mb real memory, 256mb swap, 152mb swap used, 97 swap free |
| 18:05.12 | JasonF | oh well, no bigs, now that my shell is fixed that all that mtters, lol |
| 18:05.13 | JasonF | thanks |
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| 18:05.36 | valdyn | Groundy: obviously your ram is to small for the apps you are running |
| 18:05.42 | Groundy | /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 18:05.50 | valdyn | !am i swapping |
| 18:05.50 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first line, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
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| 18:06.31 | stew | !am i swapping =~ s#first line#first 3 lines# |
| 18:06.31 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 18:06.49 | Groundy | with vmstat 60: so hovers around 50~100 |
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| 18:07.01 | Groundy | si hovers around 500 |
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| 18:07.12 | stew | Groundy: you need more real ram |
| 18:07.13 | asg | Groundy: you need to poll more often than every 60 seconds |
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| 18:07.34 | Groundy | swap is around 80% bytes io |
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| 18:08.36 | nethen | hello |
| 18:08.47 | lostson | hi |
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| 18:09.18 | Groundy | with vmstat 3, i'm getting si~500, so~80, bi~800, bo~150 |
| 18:10.10 | Althaser | how can I remove firewall log ? please |
| 18:10.24 | asg | Althaser: remove logging rules from your iptables config |
| 18:10.35 | victori | how the heck do you get gcc-4.1 installed? |
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| 18:10.46 | victori | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.54 | victori | yep.. |
| 18:11.37 | Groundy | so try apt-get install gcc-4.1-base=4.1.0-1 |
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| 18:12.12 | victori | risky, it removes apt etc |
| 18:12.19 | Groundy | removes apt? |
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| 18:12.27 | victori | ya apt depends on whatever gcc-4.1 base i got |
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| 18:12.45 | asg | victori: what debian version are you running again? |
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| 18:12.48 | victori | sid |
| 18:12.58 | victori | only one with amd64 support |
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| 18:13.07 | asg | victori: then check the bts, wait for it to be fixed, and then check incoming for the package |
| 18:13.36 | asg | victori: if you haven't done 'apt-get update' recently, do so now |
| 18:13.51 | victori | na that was done |
| 18:13.51 | Althaser | asg how can I do that ? please |
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| 18:14.20 | asg | Althaser: you didn't write your own iptables rules? |
| 18:14.36 | smagy2 | hello folks, how do i get the encrypted password for the command usermod -p ? i had install mcrypt but i am missing the obvious :( |
| 18:14.49 | stew | victori: the current gcc-4.1 in sid on amd64 depends on gcc-4.1-base 4.1.0-3, you need to run apt-get update, or your mirror is out of date |
| 18:15.02 | Althaser | asd the log is very bored when we are working on textmode :( |
| 18:15.05 | victori | stew i see thanks |
| 18:15.17 | asg | Althaser: bored? |
| 18:15.19 | victori | it is the official mirror |
| 18:15.25 | asg | Althaser: oh, /msg dpkg klogd |
| 18:15.31 | stew | victori: which mirror? |
| 18:15.33 | Althaser | asg not really I used firestarter |
| 18:15.39 | victori | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 18:15.54 | Althaser | asg w00t :D that's it thanks |
| 18:16.09 | asg | Althaser: you're welcome |
| 18:16.14 | Althaser | I was type syslogd for dpkg :-P |
| 18:16.17 | Althaser | thanks |
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| 18:17.09 | cybertheq | hello, would someone help with a 2.4.27 modules problem (unresolved symbols in ip_gre and esp4)? |
| 18:17.22 | victori | hmm |
| 18:17.26 | victori | fixed, I tried http.us |
| 18:17.47 | asg | cybertheq: did you compile it yourself? |
| 18:18.02 | cybertheq | yes, from the 2.4.27 debian package sources |
| 18:18.14 | asg | cybertheq: did you run /sbin/depmod -a after installing it? |
| 18:18.19 | cybertheq | yes |
| 18:18.25 | stew | victori: its working for me for ftp.us, you just needed to run apt-get update |
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| 18:18.32 | victori | stew i did |
| 18:18.39 | _Brandon_ | does anyone know what is sit0? |
| 18:18.41 | asg | cybertheq: is the original sarge 2.4.27 still installed? It might be trying to get the modules from there. |
| 18:18.42 | stew | victori: right, and that's what fixed it |
| 18:18.48 | victori | no, |
| 18:18.53 | victori | as soon as I added http.us, it did |
| 18:18.54 | asg | _Brandon_: ipv6-to-ipv4 bridge device iirc |
| 18:19.04 | cybertheq | no, I have replaced all the boot and modules files with the new ones. |
| 18:19.05 | _Brandon_ | asg: thanks |
| 18:19.13 | victori | I was apt-get updateing before the http.us addition |
| 18:19.21 | cybertheq | Here are the symbols and where I think they are located: |
| 18:19.22 | victori | that did not fix it. |
| 18:19.47 | stew | victori: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2521 |
| 18:19.47 | cybertheq | skb-cow_data, skb_to_sgvec pskb_put are in 'network.c' |
| 18:19.54 | cybertheq | these are needed by esp4.o |
| 18:19.59 | cybertheq | but are not found |
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| 18:20.16 | asg | cybertheq: sounds like you removed something from the kernel that those modules need. |
| 18:20.41 | cybertheq | That is the issue; I've gone over the .config many times and looked for anything obvious... |
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| 18:20.46 | victori | stew if you can help me with one last thing, how do you switch your default compiler? |
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| 18:21.17 | cybertheq | I have not found any resources that discuss ipsec on kernel 2.4.x... |
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| 18:21.27 | stew | victori: set the CC or the HOSTCC env vars before starting make; if the makefile doesn't look at those env vars, fix the makefile |
| 18:21.29 | Unetixs | I have a quick off-topic question. If I send a packet to 255.255.255.255, does it broadcast to only my subnet or all subnets on my intranet? |
| 18:21.39 | asg | cybertheq: you might see if ##kernelnewbies has some info also |
| 18:21.46 | victori | stew, I was hoping something like gcc-config, something 'global' |
| 18:21.55 | cybertheq | I went there and they wouldn't talk to me ;( |
| 18:21.56 | asg | Unetixs: to all but most switches and routers will not propagate the broadcast |
| 18:22.06 | Unetixs | thanks asg |
| 18:23.07 | cybertheq | A broader question would be has anyone built 2.4.27 to do ipsec (using modules)? |
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| 18:25.27 | cybertheq | An even broader question would be what newsgroup would be best for this issue? |
| 18:25.46 | myren | its been 100 years since i've had to rock a dualboot; what should i install first, Windows or Debian? |
| 18:26.00 | jcole | myren: winders |
| 18:26.01 | azeem | Windows, I think |
| 18:26.01 | plutonas | myren, windows |
| 18:26.02 | valdyn | myren: windows |
| 18:26.24 | plutonas | because if windows find linux on the hard disk they block them |
| 18:26.30 | cybertheq | Is there an irc channel devoted to VPN/ipsec on linux? |
| 18:26.33 | myren | asweet, thanks |
| 18:26.46 | myren | cybertheq: there's #openswan |
| 18:26.49 | myren | if thats your gig |
| 18:26.56 | myren | afaik, nothing generic |
| 18:27.04 | cybertheq | Well, it's a start, I need to use isakmpd |
| 18:27.07 | myren | oftc has like #routing or something |
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| 18:27.23 | myren | thats no the right channel... they have some pretty good generic networking channel |
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| 18:27.47 | asg | myren: freenode has ##networking |
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| 18:28.10 | cybertheq | thanks myren, I'll try #openswan first. |
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| 18:30.44 | smagy2 | hello folks, how do i get the encrypted password for the command usermod -p ? i had install mcrypt to use it but i am missing the obvious :( |
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| 18:32.24 | victori | what is the point of keeping unstable and sid on the mirrors if they are exactly the same thing? |
| 18:32.36 | azeem | victori: it's just a symlink |
| 18:32.40 | victori | i see thanks |
| 18:33.31 | victori | oh and is it ok to use ubuntu's universe repo? or don't play with that? |
| 18:33.39 | azeem | don't mix. |
| 18:33.48 | victori | ubuntu has derived that much eh? |
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| 18:34.09 | flamy | I have debian sarge installed how do i upgrade to etch? |
| 18:34.13 | azeem | yes, plus they freeze at different times |
| 18:34.20 | asg | flamy: do you have a compelling reason to do so? |
| 18:34.23 | azeem | flamy: you cannot go back to sarge |
| 18:34.38 | cheal | !tell flamy about sarge->etch |
| 18:34.42 | azeem | in case it turns out you don't like etch |
| 18:34.46 | flamy | that's ok, I really want to upgrade |
| 18:35.12 | flamy | I will install sarge again. I'm just trying out debian |
| 18:35.27 | raf256 | that hole in ssh had been fixed/ |
| 18:35.38 | raf256 | the one discovered last month by Polish scientists |
| 18:35.47 | raf256 | or ssl was it |
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| 18:36.34 | asg | smagy2: just write a little bit of C to use crypt(3). Perl and Python also have bindings. |
| 18:36.43 | itrebal | i've been having issues installing mod_perl with apache2, with apt-get, i've done apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 and then moved perl.load/perl.conf into /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and then restarted apache, which gave all kinds of errors... any ideas what may be up? |
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| 18:38.17 | stew | smagy2: mkpasswd -H md5 |
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| 18:39.03 | tuvwx | libxklavier10 in testing is causing problems for a while now and it's reported in bugs.d.o. why is it still in testing? |
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| 18:40.57 | _topher | i cannot seem to find the package that mount_smbfs is in. i have installed samba and samba-client. any thoughts? |
| 18:41.10 | hobophobe | Where is the default volume set? |
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| 18:41.37 | mike12341 | hi could anyone tell me or point me to some help about complie some kernel modules |
| 18:41.49 | hobophobe | Every time I boot gnome's volume applet has the volume completely off. |
| 18:41.50 | yang | is cpanel (control panel) included into debian pool? |
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| 18:42.02 | stew | tuvwx: afaik, the bug isn't with libklavier10 but with xkb-data, so should x be removed from testing? |
| 18:42.15 | asg | yang: no |
| 18:42.18 | hobophobe | mike12341, I believe the preferred way if available is module-assistant? |
| 18:42.40 | mike12341 | i havent heard of that what is it |
| 18:42.40 | asg | _topher: smbfs |
| 18:43.06 | tuvwx | stew, installing an older version of libklavier10 solves the problem.. any subsequent upgrade breaks X again. removing the latest version of libxklavier10 from testing would do then |
| 18:43.09 | _topher | asg, thank you |
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| 18:44.14 | hobophobe | mike it is a tool designed to help prepare & compile kernel modules. another way would be make-kpkg I believe. |
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| 18:45.07 | mike12341 | is it in debian by default in 3.1 |
| 18:45.19 | destr0 | 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * root /etc/cron.d/droptables - should run droptables every ten minutes no? |
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| 18:45.32 | hobophobe | I'm not sure. |
| 18:46.43 | asg | hobophobe: it is in sarge |
| 18:46.47 | mike12341 | thanks ill google it to get some more information |
| 18:47.00 | seb- | HELP! why is hostap-modules in SARGE but no SID!? |
| 18:47.06 | seb- | s/no/not |
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| 18:47.35 | asg | seb-: package probably changed names, was combined with or split off, or was just given the finger |
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| 18:48.18 | lamby | just upgraded to Xorg... now my middle mouse button performs the "right-click" action and the middle mouse button performs the "middle-click" action ... any ideas? :) |
| 18:48.37 | seb- | asg: any hints how to track down what really happened? |
| 18:49.00 | seb- | asg: it is wifi module for Prism2.5...i doubt it was given the finger...(thanks btw) |
| 18:49.01 | asg | seb-: check packages.debian.org or the changelog in the hostap-source or hostap-utils packages from sid |
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| 18:50.07 | seb- | thanks |
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| 18:51.23 | XoR_ | Hi all, now have installed gkrellm2 and add Temperatures, with my surprise I have always 40°, this is not real if reboot and go to "bios hardware monitor" have 52° |
| 18:51.23 | XoR_ | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature -> temperature: 40 C |
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| 18:52.46 | _ThePiratemaster | if i logg into my server with pureftpd it doesnt show my directory listings, anyone for any ideas? |
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| 18:54.23 | azeem | _ThePiratemaster: what kind of directory listings? |
| 18:55.40 | _ThePiratemaster | im not an expert on this so i may not be clear: it does shownt any directories or files when i logg-in with an ftpclient |
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| 18:55.56 | Unetixs | shownt shownt lol |
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| 18:56.32 | azeem | Unetixs: huh? |
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| 18:56.59 | azeem | _ThePiratemaster: maybe there are no files in that directory? Or you misconfigured it |
| 18:57.02 | _ThePiratemaster | it does say "directory is /home/large/devcore" but no actual directory... |
| 18:57.07 | _ThePiratemaster | there are files |
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| 18:57.19 | simonrvn | @comfort asg |
| 18:57.22 | ravenbird | There, there, asg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:57.30 | _ThePiratemaster | i can read it from nsf and http, there are definately files |
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| 18:58.07 | _ThePiratemaster | could the jailing of users have anything to do with it? |
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| 18:58.36 | spart | How can I find in what section a module can be found when configuring a kernel (make menuconfig) ? I get errors during boot about certain modules not found (sg, sd_mod, ide-detect, etc) but I dont' know where in the .config they are |
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| 19:00.46 | jack__ | Hi |
| 19:01.37 | gnufan | spart: I just read the .config file -- not terribly scientific I know |
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| 19:01.54 | jack__ | i have a question about my sid |
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| 19:03.09 | traian | i bought a bluetooth usb stick |
| 19:03.10 | tuvwx | stew, who could decide about removing or keeping the preblematic latest version of libxklavier10? |
| 19:03.14 | spart | gnufan but for some things like "ide-detect" it's called something else in the config, so i cant just grep for it |
| 19:03.19 | traian | what do i have to do to make it work |
| 19:03.24 | wendell | Hey all. Can anyone tell me why the backspace key would erase the line in FRONT of it instead of the line behind it, in most text-editing apps in the terminal? |
| 19:03.25 | traian | ??? |
| 19:03.32 | wendell | Is there some kind of global parameter that I need to set? |
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| 19:05.11 | traian | can anyone help me please? |
| 19:05.17 | Uriangho | Hey how do i install support for running ruby code on my debian system? |
| 19:05.46 | AFC | traian - > instaleaza windows :P ... sau asteapta 2 - 3 ani sa mearga si pa linux |
| 19:05.54 | stew | tuvwx: Steve Langasek |
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| 19:06.12 | stew | Uriangho: apt-get install ruby |
| 19:06.13 | tuvwx | stew, don't you agree with me on that? |
| 19:06.31 | traian | intreb pentru ca am vorbit acu ceva timp cu unu care si-a luat se k750i si mi-a zis ca nu-i mergea cablu de la el dar stick usb d-asta i-a mers |
| 19:06.33 | stew | tuvwx: that libklavier10 should be removed from testing? |
| 19:06.35 | traian | asta e faza |
| 19:07.02 | tuvwx | stew, yup.. the latest version only.. it should be rolled back to 2.2-1 instead of the current 2.2-3 |
| 19:07.03 | traian | si nu am cum sa dau de ala momentan asha ca ma gandeam ca stie cineva de pe-aci ce trebuie facut |
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| 19:07.35 | traian | si avea si debian in caz ca n-am precizat |
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| 19:08.37 | pipeline | traian: debian-user-catalan@lists.debian.org |
| 19:08.43 | stew | tuvwx: i dont' know that there is a precdent for that, i don't know what else is involved. if this is a bug in libklavier10 then a newer version with a fix should probably be hinted in. if this is a bug in another package (xkb-data or gnome-control-center) than those should be fixed instead |
| 19:08.58 | intx | what parts of the kernel do I need for the mangles iptable? |
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| 19:09.05 | AFC | eu am draci ca am luat niste calc mai tari cu wireless , si am incercat 7 distrouri deja , nimic nu vede ba raidu , ba wirelesu ba ambele ... |
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| 19:09.32 | AFC | ziceam la sto , dar pan la urma e adevarat si trist , prin ce tre sa treci ca sa faci asta sa mearga cu lucruri mai noi |
| 19:09.40 | azeem | AFC: please write in english |
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| 19:10.24 | markit | hi, what about if I want to install a onder kernel? seems that apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.15 founds nothing in sid reporitory of my mirror |
| 19:10.38 | tuvwx | stew, well for now i think a fresh install won't work as the current set of packages will break.. maybe until a newer fixed package is available, the fix is to stick with a working set of packages |
| 19:10.38 | markit | is there a special repository that conteins "old" version of debian? |
| 19:10.54 | azeem | markit: snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:11.14 | markit | azeem: thanks, I will have a look |
| 19:11.22 | tuvwx | azeem, is snapshot a debian repository that can be listed in sources.list? |
| 19:11.59 | stew | tuvwx: but removing a newer package and leaving the older doesn't fix the problem. people with the newer package won't get downgraded |
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| 19:12.33 | azeem | tuvwx: you can, but you have to specify a date |
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| 19:13.28 | tuvwx | stew, right! didn't think about that.. however i think the fresh install case is more critical, and now X won't work there |
| 19:13.51 | stew | tuvwx: what exactly is the bug, and what package is it in? |
| 19:13.58 | traian | so nobody knows? |
| 19:14.19 | Ronin | patience tralala |
| 19:14.21 | Ronin | damn it |
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| 19:15.38 | tuvwx | stew, i didn't go into the details.. but what happened for me is that once i login from gdm into my gnome desktop i get back to gdm's login screen right away. I downgraded libxklavier10 from 2.2-3 to 2.2-1 and all is fine again. in the pts it says something about xkb-data too |
| 19:16.03 | gnufan | That topic is getting old quick -- is it just me left fighting the Xorg 7 upgrade in unstable ? |
| 19:16.59 | stew | tuvwx: yes, i understand that. so why doesn't it work with the newer libxklavier10, is it a bug in libxklavier10 or a bug in xkb-data? or a bug in gnome-applets? is your solution that libxklavier10 never be updated, ever? we really shouldn't be working towards a workaround but an acutual solution. |
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| 19:17.32 | azeem | btw |
| 19:17.35 | azeem | 14:16 < Np237> FUCKING STUPID BITCH LIBXKLAVIER SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
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| 19:18.55 | Ronin | someone was a tad worked up :) |
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| 19:19.59 | tuvwx | stew, i understand that the proper solution is a newer version of the broken package, be it xkb-data or libxklavier10. but now the current versions break X and this will break any fresh install of testing. A solution that worked for me is using the older version of libxklavier10. this might not be the best solution, but is a working one. i suggested it so that my complain would be coupled with a solution.. it doesn't have to be the one though |
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| 19:22.01 | TonyStark | goodevening to everyone |
| 19:22.13 | TonyStark | somene has used the 3g card from vodafone? |
| 19:22.52 | wedge | TonyStark: what card is it? |
| 19:23.05 | wedge | Option Globetrotter? |
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| 19:23.28 | Dimitri | hello |
| 19:23.44 | Morden | hiya, is there a way that I can "push" files with rsync? |
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| 19:24.12 | stew | Morden: yes, rsync [options] source target, either of source or target can be remote |
| 19:24.20 | parag0n | whats the difference between xfree86 and xorg? |
| 19:24.21 | TonyStark | wedge, it is an option, but not a globetrotter (that is a goprs card, there one of them working next to me ;D ) it is a 3G card, from optiom... |
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| 19:25.02 | tuvwx | stew, my point is this should not be left as is until a perminant fix is available as all fresh installs of X would break in the mean time.. and i don't think this is acceptable |
| 19:25.06 | Morden | stew: so I can use normal commands and just switch source and target? |
| 19:25.34 | Morden | stew: that sounds too simpel to be true :) thx I'll try it |
| 19:25.58 | Morden | *wanting to setup rsync backups from my winxp to my server* |
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| 19:26.30 | wedge | TonyStark: what model is it? |
| 19:26.42 | wedge | TonyStark: let me guess you're trying to get it to work under linux? |
| 19:27.08 | TonyStark | wedge, mine is an option globetrotter, and it si working for gsm data and gprs data very good |
| 19:27.14 | wedge | TonyStark: http://www.pharscape.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=29 <- take a look at this |
| 19:27.28 | Morden | stew: You happen to be in Switzerland? I owe you a beer ^^ |
| 19:27.57 | TonyStark | wedge what I0'm trying to know is if the vodafone card (option umts + wifi) works not only in gsm/gprs/umts (which I have read that it does, but if it can work as a wifi too |
| 19:28.13 | TonyStark | wedge, yes, I have read ti, but it doesn0't say anything about wifi... |
| 19:28.21 | huhlig | anyone know where questions relating to memdisk could be asked? |
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| 19:28.34 | r_marvin | stew: i don't think that both source and target can be remote, though ;) |
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| 19:28.59 | TonyStark | wedge, onot-umts cards connect as a tty, but this card connects as an usb port.. so I don't like it very much, except if it can do wifi tooo |
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| 19:29.29 | wedge | TonyStark: hmm no idea, maybe you can run the windows under the ndiswrapper? |
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| 19:30.02 | wedge | TonyStark: I have a globetrotter card too. but it disconnects often under windows even ;( |
| 19:30.05 | parag0n | how can i set xeyes as my background in blackbox? |
| 19:30.07 | parag0n | ;) |
| 19:30.09 | wedge | havent tried it under linux yet.. .( |
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| 19:30.13 | TonyStark | wedge, maybe, but this would an option that I did not like it |
| 19:30.49 | TonyStark | wedge, it is not problem of the card, i think the problem is of the gprs network... you have to make a heratbeat, or you will be kicked out |
| 19:31.23 | stew | tuvwx: yes, but i don't know that there is any precedent for downgrading a package in a repository. i just don't know. if that is not a possiblilty then possible either X or parts of gnome should be removed from testing, which is only going to possibly slow down the eventual fix. |
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| 19:32.03 | wedge | TonyStark: actually.. I send data continously, and that's when I get kicked off. |
| 19:32.10 | wedge | it's really annoying =( |
| 19:32.29 | wedge | I've updated to latest firmware my operator offers. (3 is the name of the operator) |
| 19:32.46 | wedge | and yet it stops sending data and I have to disconnect and reconnect when that happends |
| 19:32.57 | TonyStark | wedge, mmm don't know.. maybe if you work it under linux, you can sintonize better the network params... |
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| 19:33.40 | wedge | TonyStark: yeah , but Im sending it back to the operator to have it replaced as soon as the retards reply to my letters faster than once per week.. |
| 19:34.00 | TonyStark | :o) |
| 19:34.03 | wedge | "yeah I already did those tests" "yes I already removed and re-inserted the card".. |
| 19:34.08 | wedge | and between each answer it takes a week |
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| 19:34.11 | wedge | Grrr |
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| 19:34.29 | stew | tuvwx: you can always comment on these bugs and suggest alternatives, if the maintainer agrees, he can ask the release manager to hint in a fix |
| 19:34.30 | TonyStark | it is not easy I'm afraid... |
| 19:34.52 | tuvwx | stew, you mean in bugs.d.o? |
| 19:35.05 | stew | tuvwx: yes |
| 19:35.24 | tuvwx | stew, ok.. thanks for the hint |
| 19:35.30 | stew | !wikifaq tuvwx StatusOfTesting |
| 19:35.31 | dpkg | tuvwx: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/StatusOfTesting or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:35.37 | stew | the bugs are listed therer ^^ |
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| 19:36.37 | lewis | I have read 'man resolv.conf' but can someone explain in English what the 'search domain.com' command actually means in resolv.conf? |
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| 19:37.04 | asg | lewis: if you type 'ping foo', it will search in the nameservers for 'foo.domain.com' |
| 19:37.07 | stew | lewis: when you try to resolv name "foo" it will try to resolve "foo" then "foo.domain.com" |
| 19:37.22 | hardlined | what they said |
| 19:37.41 | lewis | ah |
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| 19:38.08 | lewis | ooh - it works - that's genius |
| 19:38.19 | asg | lewis: it's a lazy hack that often leads to odd bugs though. Be careful |
| 19:38.39 | lewis | I think the manual said it supported up to six domains |
| 19:38.45 | dman | evenin all.. i just installed a debian sarge system (minimal) im now looking to install openssh, but i cant seem to find the package... what do i need to do? |
| 19:38.45 | lewis | how would it work for more than one? |
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| 19:39.04 | asg | lewis: search them until a match was found |
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| 19:39.41 | intx | what's CONFIG_PROFILING used for? |
| 19:39.56 | lewis | so if I had, 'search google.com aol.com', and did 'ping www', it would resolve to www.google.com? |
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| 19:40.10 | asg | intx: at a guess, generating profiling metrics to decide which bits of code are running longest, etc. |
| 19:40.30 | asg | lewis: provided www.google.com existed in DNS |
| 19:40.31 | tuvwx | stew, couldn't find anything about testing in there! |
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| 19:40.49 | |ac3| | apt wants to remove courier-imap if i instal dovecot-imap. Is it possible to tell apt not to remove courier-imap? |
| 19:40.52 | apt | |ac3|: that's too long |
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| 19:40.54 | stew | tuvwx: doh, wrong wiki |
| 19:40.57 | lewis | asg: I would hope it does! |
| 19:41.00 | stew | !debwiki tuvwx StatusOfTesting |
| 19:41.01 | dpkg | tuvwx: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfTesting |
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| 19:41.50 | asg | |ac3|: not without contravening package management which will lead to breakage if you aren't careful. |
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| 19:43.24 | |ac3| | ok, thx |
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| 19:43.40 | tuvwx | stew, hmm.. that's a nice page to know of |
| 19:44.04 | |ac3| | if i let apt remove that package, and i reinstall that later again, will it work? or do i have to reconfigure it? |
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| 19:44.21 | asg | |ac3|: you can remove without --purge and the configs will be preserved. |
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| 19:45.14 | dman | i just installed debian sarge. im trying to install openssh, but cant find the package. what do i need to change in sources.lst? |
| 19:45.25 | asg | dman: just install the 'ssh' package |
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| 19:45.50 | cheal | azeem: thanks for the tla bug report |
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| 19:46.12 | asg | !info ssh sarge |
| 19:46.16 | |ac3| | thx |
| 19:46.19 | dman | asg; will it also install the server? |
| 19:46.23 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
| 19:46.23 | asg | dman: yes |
| 19:46.33 | dman | !info ssh sarge |
| 19:46.39 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
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| 19:46.55 | asg | dman: it is a split package in testing/sid but a single in sarge |
| 19:46.56 | dman | thanks asg! |
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| 19:49.52 | asg | !tell shnura about root |
| 19:49.55 | dman | !info bittorrent sarge |
| 19:49.57 | dpkg | bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-3sarge0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 462 kB |
| 19:50.06 | mirak | it would be nice to have a packet remove-kde or remove-gnome . in fact it would be nice to have metapackage who just removes stuffs with dependencies |
| 19:50.22 | asg | dman: if the question isn't relevant to a channel discussion, /msg dpkg info <foo> works and reduces clutter. |
| 19:50.37 | asg | mirak: /msg dpkg remove kde ; /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 19:50.57 | mirak | asg: no info |
| 19:51.01 | mirak | sorry |
| 19:51.02 | dman | asg: are bittorrent and bittornado the same package? |
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| 19:51.10 | mirak | asg: no |
| 19:51.17 | mirak | they conflict probably |
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| 19:51.31 | asg | mirak: /msg dpkg == /msg our #debian bot for info |
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| 19:51.49 | stew | dman: no they two slightly different alternatives |
| 19:52.12 | mirak | asg: I figured that, I though you told dpkg to tell it to me |
| 19:52.23 | dman | stew:is the difference the gui only (curses or not0? |
| 19:52.38 | asg | mirak: no, I instructed you to /msg the bot since I'm lazy and you can do it yourself ;) |
| 19:52.43 | intx | asg: thanks |
| 19:52.47 | asg | intx: you're welcome |
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| 19:54.01 | stew | dman: both packages provide a gui version a curses version and a cli version |
| 19:55.00 | dman | thx stew! any recommendations as to choosing one or the other? |
| 19:55.28 | stew | dman: bittornado |
| 19:55.56 | dman | stew:because it is...??? |
| 19:56.08 | stew | more informative |
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| 19:56.18 | _ThePiratemaster | hi |
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| 19:57.01 | _ThePiratemaster | pure-ftpd refuses to accept the LIST command from my client. does anyone know what could be the cause of this? |
| 19:57.25 | asg | _ThePiratemaster: a configuration error or default for security reasons. |
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| 19:57.45 | asg | _ThePiratemaster: does it work if you use PASV mode ftp? |
| 19:57.46 | trenka | _ThePiratemaster: passive/active / |
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| 19:57.54 | _ThePiratemaster | passive |
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| 19:58.35 | picosam | hello everyone; I'd like to ask a question about makefile; I hope it won't be inappropriate in this room |
| 19:58.50 | asg | picosam: if it turns out to be, we'll tell you and then send you to #c |
| 19:58.54 | _ThePiratemaster | pico, just |
| 19:58.54 | _ThePiratemaster | just ask |
| 19:58.58 | _ThePiratemaster | dont ask to ask |
| 19:59.10 | stew | _ThePiratemaster: what is the result code of issuing a LIST command? |
| 19:59.19 | _ThePiratemaster | nothing |
| 19:59.23 | _ThePiratemaster | it just keeps me waiting |
| 19:59.39 | _ThePiratemaster | loggs just indicate "connection successfull" |
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| 19:59.42 | picosam | I have a makefile that includes other makefiles in its first line and then has a line that reads "CPPFLAGS += -D__GCC32__ ... |
| 19:59.42 | stew | you say LIST and it just never responds? |
| 19:59.50 | dman | !info ftp sarge |
| 19:59.52 | dpkg | ftp: (The FTP client.), section base, is standard. Version: 0.17-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 19:59.56 | seb- | is there a command to find what packages are backports on your pc? |
| 19:59.57 | asg | sounds like the data channel is firewalled |
| 19:59.59 | _ThePiratemaster | my cliet automaticly does LIst and yes |
| 19:59.59 | picosam | doesn't this define __GCC32__ by default? |
| 20:00.06 | Tallu | !info ftpd sarge |
| 20:00.07 | dman | !info ftp server sarge |
| 20:00.09 | dpkg | ftpd: (FTP server), section net, is extra. Version: 0.17-20 (sarge), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 20:00.15 | asg | gah, stop abusing the bot |
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| 20:00.32 | picosam | because compilation fails for a cpp file at a line that reads: #if defined(__GCC32__) |
| 20:00.33 | stew | _ThePiratemaster: it sounds like you are using active mode and your firewall isn't connection tracking |
| 20:00.41 | honschu | I'll buy a hp nx6110 notebook and don't know what distro I should install (here at home I use "stable") |
| 20:00.47 | _ThePiratemaster | hold on |
| 20:00.58 | asg | honschu: check tuxmobile.org for success/horror stories for your model |
| 20:01.09 | honschu | asg: HP also supports linux |
| 20:01.09 | _ThePiratemaster | Command:PASV |
| 20:01.09 | _ThePiratemaster | Response:227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,1,11,102,76) |
| 20:01.13 | _ThePiratemaster | there |
| 20:01.26 | _ThePiratemaster | passive mode O_O |
| 20:01.40 | _ThePiratemaster | LIST is after PASV |
| 20:01.40 | asg | honschu: they do but 'support' is an ephemeral term when it comes to companies and *nix. |
| 20:01.42 | honschu | asg: Everything works with Linux for the nx6110, it just depends on the distro I'll install. |
| 20:02.00 | asg | honschu: oh, then install Debian |
| 20:02.00 | honschu | asg: They have a paper |
| 20:02.00 | asg | honschu: or OpenBSD |
| 20:02.00 | stew | _ThePiratemaster: what is the reposnce to PASV? 2xx? |
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| 20:02.06 | honschu | asg: I also use OpenBSD on my NAT |
| 20:02.09 | _ThePiratemaster | netbsd :P |
| 20:02.17 | _ThePiratemaster | run on everything :P |
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| 20:02.37 | honschu | asg: Stable is too old because of the i915-gfx, so should I use etch on a productive system? |
| 20:02.38 | _ThePiratemaster | and everyone says something different im sure he's confised |
| 20:02.45 | _ThePiratemaster | good work team :P |
| 20:02.46 | asg | honschu: I'd say use that which is most comfortable for you. |
| 20:03.02 | asg | honschu: then use testing or backports of xorg with sarge |
| 20:03.07 | myren | how do i copy into xterm from the clipboard? |
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| 20:03.14 | asg | myren: middle mouse button |
| 20:03.17 | asg | myren: or shift+insert |
| 20:03.24 | myren | thats the X selection buffer, not clipboard |
| 20:03.26 | stew | middle mouse doesn't paste from the clipboard |
| 20:03.33 | asg | oh, that clipboard |
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| 20:03.35 | picosam | ...so? |
| 20:03.51 | myren | yeah, I'm tired of having to do all my "copy paste" with mouse & middle clicking, i want the actual clipboard |
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| 20:04.19 | honschu | asg: I don't want to use etch because it's not stable. Backports would be possible, but I really don't like it. So I think I'll have to use OpenBSD. |
| 20:04.51 | asg | honschu: well, etch is pretty stable as things go. You might look at ubuntu as well depending on where your political/philosophical ideas lie. |
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| 20:05.01 | pencho | hello bre |
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| 20:05.13 | stew | myren: you can get the clipboard into a pipeline with xclip |
| 20:05.21 | honschu | asg: I don't like the "sudo" stuff in ubuntu (I saw by a friend) ;) |
| 20:05.25 | stew | myren: or to a file... |
| 20:05.36 | honschu | asg: You can't just "su" on ubuntu |
| 20:05.43 | asg | honschu: sure you can, sudo -s |
| 20:05.43 | picosam | alright; is it possible that someone would point me to any kind of resource where I would find an answer to my question? :) |
| 20:05.44 | pencho | how to change the refresh rate on console only debian? |
| 20:05.47 | asg | honschu: or sudo su - |
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| 20:06.04 | stew | honschu: and you can change that with visudo |
| 20:06.09 | honschu | asg: By the way, why not just "su"? |
| 20:06.11 | myren | i'm trying to copy some text into my interactive interpretter |
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| 20:06.26 | asg | honschu: no need for it and it isn't granular enough |
| 20:06.30 | myren | pencho: only think I ever got was SVGATextMode to change console res |
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| 20:06.47 | _ThePiratemaster | but still, whats with my LIST O_o |
| 20:06.47 | es0 | I have a tcsh question. I want to define a custom prompt (which I know how to do), but I want to include the IP of my machine in the prompt. My machine is DHCP. Is there a simple way to grab the current IP without lots of piping, etc? |
| 20:06.49 | asg | honschu: besides, su doesn't insult you when you type the wrong password |
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| 20:06.58 | honschu | asg: granular - I'll have to translate that with www.leo.org to german ;) |
| 20:07.10 | stew | honschu: actaully i'm not sure default ubuntu install has sudo even installed. you are thinking of the livecd i think |
| 20:07.15 | asg | honschu: sorry, varying levels of access |
| 20:07.24 | hobophobe | if I use gnome, do I still need arts installed for kde programs to use sound? |
| 20:07.31 | pencho | hello bre |
| 20:07.37 | asg | honschu: certain users can be give the ability to do certain rootly things without giving them full rootly powers. |
| 20:07.59 | asg | pencho: /msg bre hi |
| 20:08.30 | honschu | asg: I know the way sudo and visudo works - but I feel not that mutch comfortable with a system that decreases the power fo a user. I'm not a thumb ;-) |
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| 20:09.01 | stew | honschu: what system decreases the power of a user? |
| 20:09.11 | _ThePiratemaster | unbuntu |
| 20:09.12 | pencho | there is no such command... am i missing something(like needed package) |
| 20:09.13 | honschu | asg: I think I'll look at etch and OpenBSD. |
| 20:09.13 | asg | honschu: sudo only gives them what you tell them they can have. |
| 20:09.19 | asg | honschu: okay |
| 20:09.24 | honschu | asg: Yes, I know - thx |
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| 20:09.52 | ChrisAlt | Hi, I got a problem here while installing the madwifi drivers.. I used ready-made .deb's and the command "module-assistant auto-install madwifi-source" to install it. Then I got the following msg: |
| 20:10.25 | asg | module-assistant: error: oh bugger? |
| 20:10.28 | honschu | asg: Ok, in OpenBSD the user have to be in the wheel group to be able to use "su" ... it's just personal feeling about a distro ,-) |
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| 20:10.41 | ChrisAlt | extracting replacement for madifi-modules-2.6.8-2-386... ; creating madwifi-modules..; "FATAL: could not rename /lib/modules(2.6.8-2-386/modules.dep.temp into /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/modules.dep: no such file or directory" |
| 20:10.43 | backz | Hi, I need some help with bind, my bind server is shutting down: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XRwQxR78.html |
| 20:10.49 | asg | honschu: you can do that with the pam_group module in debian if you wish |
| 20:10.56 | alfatau | hello, a question: how to set up the keyboard layout for console? i've not installed X, and i don't want to install it. I've an american keyboard layout while i want an italian one. Can you help me? Thank you a lot. |
| 20:10.59 | ChrisAlt | asg: I'm just a newbie, unfortunately..dunno how to do it |
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| 20:11.33 | honschu | asg: What do you think about fedora on a notebook? |
| 20:11.34 | stew | ChrisAlt: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:11.56 | asg | honschu: I haven't used it so I can't comment |
| 20:12.06 | bernie | hello, I would like install prelude manager, but apt-get return me " prelude-manager: Depends: libpreludedb0 but it is not installable " & "E: Broken packages" |
| 20:12.08 | honschu | asg: ok, I know it's the wrong channel ;) |
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| 20:12.34 | asg | honschu: true but I honestly haven't used it :) |
| 20:12.39 | AlienX | heh |
| 20:12.45 | stew | bernie: /msg dpkg bat |
| 20:12.50 | ChrisAlt | When running "m-a auto-install madwifi-source" again, I get the following message: "The Package madwifi-modules*.deb already exists, it will not be built again! Version 0.svn20050207... of madwifi-modules-2.6.8-2-386 ist already installed, skipping it." |
| 20:13.00 | stew | ChrisAlt: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:13.16 | pencho | any good debian GUI (smaller than Gnome or KDE but functional) ??? |
| 20:13.17 | ChrisAlt | stew: uname -r : 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:13.29 | huhlig | anyone here familier with memdisk that could help |
| 20:13.30 | asg | pencho: fluxbox, icewm, xfce, fvwm2 |
| 20:13.32 | sclebo05 | fluxbox, xfce |
| 20:13.39 | stew | ChrisAlt: does /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 exist? |
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| 20:13.49 | asg | pencho: it really depends on your definition of functional |
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| 20:14.27 | ChrisAlt | stew: it does. |
| 20:14.29 | stew | ChrisAlt: but /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/modules.deb doesn't? |
| 20:14.53 | pencho | control panel for display settings ... and some kind of plug&fuck |
| 20:15.01 | ChrisAlt | stew: no, it doesn't. |
| 20:15.10 | bernie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2522 |
| 20:15.13 | stew | ChrisAlt: uhh i meant modules.dep |
| 20:15.24 | ChrisAlt | stew: Oh, this in fact exists. |
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| 20:15.47 | pencho | (plug&fuck is latest from Microshaft) |
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| 20:16.16 | stew | bernie: what about "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy prelude-manager libpreludedb0"? |
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| 20:17.05 | pencho | it may be ugly like hell but i'd like to set the refresh rate.... need my eyes |
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| 20:17.52 | pencho | i dont know wht to chose |
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| 20:18.10 | bernie | stew : http://channels.debian.net/paste/2523 && http://channels.debian.net/paste/2524 |
| 20:18.16 | ChrisAlt | stew: no clue? |
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| 20:19.45 | huhlig | hmm |
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| 20:20.12 | pencho | i'll try fluxbox |
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| 20:20.57 | stew | ChrisAlt: i dont know |
| 20:21.02 | stew | bernie: what arch are you running? |
| 20:21.11 | bernie | stew : i386 |
| 20:21.26 | stew | bernie: you can't mix stable and unstable, you should get rid of the stable sources, they aren't helping you |
| 20:21.51 | bernie | ok |
| 20:21.52 | stew | bernie: have you run apt-get update today? |
| 20:21.54 | ChrisAlt | stew: bad... =/ is there any chance to make m-a auto-install madwifi-source undone and repeat it again or something like this? |
| 20:22.00 | bernie | stew : yes |
| 20:22.36 | pencho | in my country there are several arrests for using p2p network and the situation is fucked up... they made a law of braking at home and take the PC for piracy... |
| 20:22.53 | Unetixs | sounds like you live in the us pencho |
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| 20:23.05 | pencho | no....Bulgaria |
| 20:23.12 | asg | pencho: no different in the US |
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| 20:23.21 | Unetixs | well don't worry too much, it's that way everywhere except for the netherlands |
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| 20:23.32 | stew | bernie: yeah, in any case, it looks like prelude-manager is in fact not intallable on unstable currently |
| 20:23.36 | Unetixs | and maybe germany |
| 20:23.46 | ChrisAlt | Unetixs: it's the same here |
| 20:23.46 | ChrisAlt | ;) |
| 20:23.51 | bernie | stew : oh ok |
| 20:23.53 | Unetixs | alright, I stand corrected |
| 20:24.01 | ChrisAlt | ;) |
| 20:24.04 | bernie | stew: thx |
| 20:24.18 | RichiH | germany is becoming worse, in this respect |
| 20:24.24 | RichiH | belgium and france are rather relaxed |
| 20:24.35 | asg | RichiH: you know it's all your fault :) |
| 20:24.36 | pencho | the problem is that the piracy from the government users(copied from warez logs are 400TB per user) |
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| 20:25.08 | pencho | and they arrested a 15year old boy for having 300DVDs |
| 20:25.10 | rudenstam | is anything needed for mount --bind ? I can't see to get it work... |
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| 20:25.31 | stew | rudenstam: what is the exact command you are typing and the exact output you are getting? |
| 20:25.53 | ChrisAlt | RichiH: Unfortuanately, I guess you're right with forcasting this development |
| 20:25.54 | Unetixs | pencho: yeah because that 15 year old is *stealing* those dvds. He would have had to *buy* them without the internets |
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| 20:26.24 | Unetixs | like a 15-year-old would have bought 300 dvds |
| 20:26.26 | stew | !madwifi-install |
| 20:26.26 | dpkg | hmm... madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 20:26.35 | Unetixs | I bet he didn't even watch them |
| 20:26.40 | stew | ChrisAlt: have you seen this? ^^ |
| 20:26.49 | rudenstam | stew: mount -o bind <src> <dest> .... also tried with fstab.. <src> <dest> none bind 0 0 |
| 20:26.53 | bernie | If I am using a unstable version, I must rid the line about security.debian.org of source.list? |
| 20:26.59 | asg | bernie: yes |
| 20:27.02 | bernie | oki |
| 20:27.03 | bernie | thx |
| 20:27.09 | asg | bernie: well, you don't have to but it doesn't do any good |
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| 20:27.13 | stew | rudenstam: what is the error? |
| 20:27.26 | bernie | oki |
| 20:27.31 | rudenstam | stew: none.. but it doesn't pop up in df like it usually does |
| 20:27.33 | pencho | i dont know .. but i have like a 100 cd's made by me... 300 is not that much ... |
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| 20:27.51 | stew | rudenstam: does it show up when you type "mount" ? |
| 20:27.58 | pencho | in 1 CD i have a 18 versions of windows... so what |
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| 20:28.09 | rudenstam | stew: ahh.. it does |
| 20:28.13 | pksl | can someone help em find a link about where to download 'remote logger' ? |
| 20:28.19 | _wendell | How can I mount a device and have it automatically create the mount point? |
| 20:28.23 | _wendell | (so I don't have to make a directory first) |
| 20:28.27 | asg | pksl: what type of logger? |
| 20:28.40 | rudenstam | stew: something changed recently ? I'm sure it showed in df before... |
| 20:28.50 | stew | rudenstam: dunno |
| 20:29.17 | rudenstam | oh well.. who cares.. as long as it's working :) |
| 20:29.20 | pencho | try to buy Catia or Solidworks...:) |
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| 20:30.03 | nikosgr | asg, remote keylogger |
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| 20:30.49 | theBoosh | I wonder if anyone can help me with a strange hard drive problem. I formatted the drive but something went wrong and now my 300GB drive only shows up as a 30GB drive. What can I do to bring it back to factory 300GB, I have no data on it. |
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| 20:30.53 | nikosgr | asg, remote keylogger, the hkeyloggers name is 'remote logger' of balzing tools |
| 20:31.00 | bigbourin | bonsoir tout le monde |
| 20:31.17 | streuner | bigbourin: english please |
| 20:31.27 | bigbourin | hi all ^^ |
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| 20:32.06 | pencho | theBoosh: any error message? |
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| 20:33.02 | alexscott | rumpl pd |
| 20:33.11 | Blissex | theBoosh: try #hardware |
| 20:33.21 | theBoosh | ok, thanks. |
| 20:33.44 | Blissex | theBoosh: but probably you misplaced a jumper and enabled 32GB only mode. |
| 20:34.06 | nikosgr | can you help? |
| 20:34.10 | theBoosh | Hmm, that could be it... |
| 20:34.22 | theBoosh | But I am pretty sure that I did not fiddle with the jumpers. |
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| 20:34.33 | theBoosh | Better double check all the same, thanks for the tip! |
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| 20:34.57 | theBoosh | It does show up in BIOS as 32GB and it is too much of a coincedence |
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| 20:36.12 | nikosgr | can youi help? |
| 20:36.27 | pencho | set up HDD settings manually in BIOS |
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| 20:37.00 | pencho | HEAD... CYL... other shit |
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| 20:37.59 | theBoosh | Looking at the docs it looks like I have actually put it in 32GB mode |
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| 20:38.14 | pencho | how come |
| 20:38.43 | theBoosh | I thought I was putting it in standard slave and I have actually (I think) set it to 32GB slave |
| 20:38.53 | dak | hm |
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| 20:40.37 | gnufan | Anyone done the Xorg 7 upgrade in sid, where does /etc/X11/X point? |
| 20:40.40 | pencho | this hard drive is strange one |
| 20:40.41 | dak | yes |
| 20:40.45 | dak | i have |
| 20:40.54 | dak | uh it never changed for me gnufan |
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| 20:41.05 | dak | er |
| 20:41.07 | gnufan | dak meaning it points? |
| 20:41.16 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.19 | dak | guess it did change |
| 20:41.37 | dak | was really stoned when i upgraded the other night |
| 20:41.43 | gnufan | dak and a silly question Xorg is in which package :( |
| 20:41.52 | dak | but gnufan im using experimental, so i dunno if sid has 7 yet? |
| 20:41.59 | dak | xorg |
| 20:42.13 | gnufan | dak it does - trust me on that -- rhapsody is nice ;) |
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| 20:43.03 | dak | apt-cache show xoiirg |
| 20:43.04 | dak | wtf |
| 20:43.08 | Stormy | Could anyone explain to me why Sarge for alpha is only using the 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:43.20 | dak | lagged out sorry. |
| 20:43.35 | dak | rhapsody? |
| 20:43.47 | dak | the mp3 crap ? |
| 20:44.07 | linnuxxy | i need a simple tool to convert mp3 files to ogg |
| 20:44.13 | dak | apt-cache show xorg |
| 20:44.15 | stew | gnufan: lrwxrwxrwx /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 20:44.17 | dak | sorry was lagged |
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| 20:44.33 | dak | yeah stew i said that before |
| 20:44.42 | linnuxxy | something like m2o test.mp3 test.ogg |
| 20:44.45 | stew | dak: yeah you also said you aren't running the unstable packages |
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| 20:45.00 | dak | stew do you know when the glx will be updated to 7.0x? |
| 20:45.03 | Stormy | linnuxxy google for it |
| 20:45.08 | jshriver | greetings.. how do I clean apt? I tried installing something a week ago that had bad depencies now I cant install anything |
| 20:45.12 | linnuxxy | i did |
| 20:45.32 | dak | true, im stoned sorry |
| 20:45.39 | jshriver | lol |
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| 20:45.51 | gnufan | dak rhapsody -- command line irc client |
| 20:45.57 | dak | and 7 yses 1 server anyway so dont matter if he's sid and im using experimental |
| 20:46.07 | stew | dak: exactly which pacakge are you asking about? |
| 20:46.31 | gnufan | cheers -- I need to reinstall xserver-xorg-core by the looks of it... hmm the syntax on apt seems fun for that -- I'll use dpkg |
| 20:46.33 | stew | dak: the version in experimental is much older than the version in sid, it might matter |
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| 20:46.35 | dak | libgl1-mesa-glx stew |
| 20:46.49 | jshriver | how do I see a list of uninstalled package stuck in apt? |
| 20:46.57 | dak | well apt-cache show is only showing that package in sid not even experimental has it |
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| 20:47.12 | pencho | how to start the xserver |
| 20:47.29 | dak | Version: 6.4.1-0.4 |
| 20:47.31 | pencho | fluxbox says it is not started... |
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| 20:47.58 | pencho | after i've installed xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:48.07 | dak | pencho: you need to have an .xinitrc |
| 20:48.19 | stew | pencho: startx ; do you have x-window-system-core installed? |
| 20:48.30 | dak | what versin of debian are you on and what window manager are you trying to run "kde gnome fluxbox" |
| 20:48.37 | stew | dak: there is no version 7 of mesa. version 6.5 is less than a month old |
| 20:48.38 | pencho | nope |
| 20:49.00 | pencho | (red shamed) |
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| 20:49.04 | dak | stew yeah well when i try to run a glx app it bitches about it, gve me a sec ill run some thing to get the error |
| 20:49.11 | dak | red shamed? |
| 20:49.21 | dak | go in #redhat then |
| 20:49.22 | pencho | that came to my head... |
| 20:49.26 | dak | right? |
| 20:49.34 | dak | er whatever 1 sec stew |
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| 20:50.38 | stew | dak: in any case you should upgrade to xorg in sid |
| 20:50.55 | dak | i have |
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| 20:51.28 | dak | ii xserver-xorg 7.0.17 the X.Org X server |
| 20:51.31 | stew | 16:42 < dak> but gnufan im using experimental, so i dunno if sid has 7 yet? |
| 20:52.00 | dak | but dont experimental have new packages then even sid |
| 20:52.03 | gnufan | dak stew cheers guys -- seems I needed xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-vesa and I'm away again -- simple when you know how! |
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| 20:52.17 | stew | gnufan: what video card do you have? |
| 20:52.21 | dak | and im installing the latest versions of the packages that apt-cache show, shows me... |
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| 20:52.35 | knoxy | hi all.. I've a gateway running debian testing.. my sarg doesn't work.. the error is "Segmentation Fault" .. Can somebody help me? Can I make a downgrade to stable version whithout errors? |
| 20:52.42 | gnufan | stew rage XL |
| 20:53.01 | stew | gnufan: why vesa and not ati then? |
| 20:53.01 | linnuxxy | it is mp32ogg> just apt-get install mp32ogg |
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| 20:53.11 | nvz | knoxy: what? |
| 20:53.18 | dak | stew ? |
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| 20:53.21 | stew | knoxy: don't mix stable and unstable packages. |
| 20:53.27 | stew | dak: yes? |
| 20:53.39 | gnufan | stew because that is what I had in xorg.conf -- but hey I'm game to try it -- who knows the penguin ski game might end up playable |
| 20:53.45 | dak | read what i said? |
| 20:53.51 | dak | so why would i downgrade to sid |
| 20:53.55 | stew | dak: no, experimental doesn't have newer versions of xorg than sid, http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
| 20:53.57 | Demio | can someone help me with the integration of amavis and postfix? |
| 20:54.07 | dak | wtf |
| 20:54.09 | stew | dak: "Current experimental release is Xorg 7.0. This is out of date relative to the unstable packages." |
| 20:54.10 | blenda | is there any way to measure the bandwidth usage of a certain process or port range? |
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| 20:54.43 | yggdrasil | anyone know if you can put linux on an ipaq h6315 |
| 20:54.54 | gnufan | blenda I think iptables can count any traffic you can describe, but I plead ignorance on the details |
| 20:54.56 | pencho | i like installing debian precedure it is like between S&M and some kind of a spell to ME.. |
| 20:55.14 | blenda | gnufan: ok |
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| 20:55.34 | stew | blenda: iptraf will give you measurements for a port range |
| 20:55.36 | dak | stew but isnt the normal for experimental to have new packages then sid ? because iv had to install packages from experimental in the past while running sid because the experimental packages where newer |
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| 20:56.10 | blenda | stew: seems like a nice tool. thanks! |
| 20:56.23 | stew | dak: no, its quite common that experimental packages are not kept up to date |
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| 20:56.32 | astronut | is there an archive problem? |
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| 20:57.00 | stew | astronut: there was a bad sync between the security.debian.org mirrors yesterday, i dont' know if it still exists or if there are new ones |
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| 20:57.10 | dak | ugh |
| 20:57.22 | jelly-ho | !test |
| 20:57.22 | dpkg | Sorry, jelly-ho, I didn't get your test. |
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| 20:57.48 | grendal_prime | ok does anyone know this guy that is maintaning (or NOt) flash4liunux |
| 20:57.50 | stew | astronut: iirc klecker was ok and saens was not |
| 20:58.05 | grendal_prime | because it seems like that project has not moved in a long ass time |
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| 20:59.01 | dak | 2001:5c0:8fcd::22 |
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| 21:00.25 | flamy | has anyone configured radeon card in xinerama mode under xorg 6.9 ? |
| 21:00.54 | stew | flamy: sure |
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| 21:01.03 | h3xis | Does anoyone here know off hand how to disable X at login so that it prompts me with a text login? |
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| 21:01.16 | stew | h3xis: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:01.19 | h3xis | ty |
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| 21:01.48 | grendal_prime | anyone is sure having to answer alot of questions around here |
| 21:01.49 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 21:01.53 | flamy | stew: can I look at your xorg.conf ? |
| 21:02.01 | stew | flamy: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead |
| 21:02.02 | grendal_prime | even im looking for anyone today |
| 21:02.52 | gnufa1 | stew: I choose ATI, my screen looks different -- but can't put my finger on what exactly. Possibly the fonts are different. No to remember what that penguin ski game is called. |
| 21:02.57 | flamy | stew: the site is down |
| 21:03.03 | pencho | hey debian dudes... i salute you with KISS on VH1... :P |
| 21:03.08 | stew | flamy: no, its not |
| 21:03.25 | SoulBlink | anybody know how to securely scrub a mounter partition? |
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| 21:03.36 | antek | hello :) |
| 21:03.38 | antek | hello... i have a little question... how can i copy for example... 3 file to one... :?? cp 1.bin+2.bin+3.bin all.bin :?? |
| 21:03.46 | grendal_prime | SoulBlink, that sounds painfull...umm no i dont |
| 21:03.53 | nvz | antek: man tar |
| 21:04.05 | stew | antek: cat file1 file2 file3 > resultfile |
| 21:04.13 | antek | stew... ok thanks :) |
| 21:04.15 | grendal_prime | stew, you ever heard of a script or plugin for gimp that deals with swf files? |
| 21:04.19 | SoulBlink | it shouldn't be that paintfull, I just need a way to write random garbage over it a bunch |
| 21:04.24 | antek | thats same i can do with binary file :?? |
| 21:04.27 | stew | grendal_prime: nope |
| 21:04.32 | SoulBlink | somehow with dd and /dev/random I just can't figure it out |
| 21:04.35 | grendal_prime | AWWWWW SHIT |
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| 21:04.38 | stew | antek: yes |
| 21:04.43 | grendal_prime | that was not wat i wanted to hear at all.. |
| 21:05.09 | flamy | stew: now it's working. thanks |
| 21:05.09 | stew | SoulBlink: you just want random data to fill a partition? |
| 21:05.10 | knoxy | Can I make a downgrade to stable version whithout errors? |
| 21:05.19 | SoulBlink | stew: that would work |
| 21:05.25 | knoxy | changing a sources.list to stable.. ? |
| 21:05.31 | Ronin | knoxy: nope |
| 21:05.35 | grendal_prime | SoulBlink, make it a mail server with an autoresponder for 10 diff users on it..then you can formate it with spam in seconds |
| 21:05.36 | stew | SoulBlink: cp /dev/random /dev/hdxx |
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| 21:05.44 | SoulBlink | stew: I just need to make it a little harder to recover the data on some raid arrays before selling them off |
| 21:05.47 | stew | SoulBlink: BE CAREFUL! |
| 21:05.57 | SoulBlink | stew: ya, that sounds dangerous |
| 21:06.07 | stew | SoulBlink: you just don't wanna get the wrong drive or partition |
| 21:06.16 | knoxy | hi all.. I've a gateway running debian testing.. my sarg doesn't work.. the error is "Segmentation Fault" .. what's this? |
| 21:06.33 | stew | knoxy: you can't downgrade to stable |
| 21:06.39 | SoulBlink | stew: well obviously you don't want to hit the wrong drive, but it seems like thats still a little risky |
| 21:06.41 | stew | knoxy: have you checked the bts for sarg? |
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| 21:06.57 | SoulBlink | stew: how long do you think I should let it run for? |
| 21:07.08 | knoxy | stew ok.. :( |
| 21:07.09 | stew | SoulBlink: if you have the right partition and don't care what goes onto that partition, its safe |
| 21:07.13 | SoulBlink | stew: cause it wont finish ever right |
| 21:07.19 | knoxy | stew bts? |
| 21:07.19 | stew | SoulBlink: it will exit when it hits the end of the partition |
| 21:07.25 | stew | knoxy: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 21:07.38 | SoulBlink | stew: ya, I don't care, I just to fubar the data so I can delete the partition talbes and sell the arrays |
| 21:07.51 | SoulBlink | Anybody want to buy a stack of SCSI fibre arrays? |
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| 21:08.19 | stew | SoulBlink: you can just do the entire disk with something like /dev/sda then, it will get the mbr, the partition tables, everything |
| 21:08.28 | stew | SoulBlink: /dev/hdc whatever |
| 21:08.47 | SoulBlink | stew: good deal |
| 21:08.53 | dak | stew this still isnt going to fix my problem |
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| 21:09.24 | strankan | need some help getting fbpanel to work. i get this error when i try to start it: "fbpanel: symbol lookup error: /usr/share/fbpanel/plugins/separator.so: undefined symbol: get_line" what could be the problem? |
| 21:09.52 | stew | dak: what is the problem? |
| 21:10.16 | dak | the glx mesa |
| 21:10.31 | stew | dak: what is the problem? |
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| 21:12.20 | dak | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
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| 21:12.34 | stew | dak: what driver are you using? |
| 21:12.55 | stew | dak: (and what card do you have)? |
| 21:13.18 | dak | geforce 4 440 go |
| 21:13.31 | stew | dak: you need non-free drivers to use GLX with that cardc |
| 21:13.42 | dak | the latest drivers from nvivida's site |
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| 21:13.53 | dak | i got all that man |
| 21:13.55 | dak | it worked fine |
| 21:13.58 | dak | till 7 upgraded |
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| 21:14.04 | SoulBlink | stew: well I am lighting the array up now, we will see what happens |
| 21:14.06 | stew | dak: something is wrong with your drivers or your config |
| 21:14.12 | SoulBlink | stew: this should be interesting |
| 21:14.20 | taniaTanui | hola |
| 21:14.20 | dak | and i figure its cuz of that old 6.9 lib mesa glx package |
| 21:14.25 | stew | SoulBlink: it shouldn't be that interesting :) |
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| 21:14.43 | SoulBlink | stew: I think the light show on the array should be interesting |
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| 21:14.58 | taniaTanui | ¿que tal? |
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| 21:15.04 | SoulBlink | stew: I assume it would be wisest to unmount all the partitions first obviously |
| 21:15.05 | dak | its basicly the same xorg.conf iv been using for a while, have back ups and have gone threw it a few times and nothings wrong |
| 21:15.18 | dak | it worked fine till i distupgraded and installed 7 |
| 21:15.34 | Althaser | asg I did what dpkg told me about klogd but still logging :-P |
| 21:15.37 | stew | dak: i'm using glx with no problems with xorg7 from unstable, the problems is with your driver or your config |
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| 21:15.46 | Althaser | asg do you have any clue ? |
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| 21:15.54 | dak | stew |
| 21:15.55 | dak | ii libgl1-mesa-glx 6.4.1-0.4 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- G |
| 21:15.59 | dak | you have the same version? |
| 21:16.01 | dak | of that |
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| 21:16.11 | stew | dak: yes |
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| 21:16.25 | dak | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8756-pkg1 |
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| 21:16.39 | dak | thats the drivers im using |
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| 21:16.55 | dak | and glx is set to load in the x conf |
| 21:17.13 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.16 | Firehand | dak: if you would use the debian packages instead of that stupid nvidia installer your nvidia driver would work.... |
| 21:17.22 | dak | did it change to nvidia? |
| 21:17.24 | dak | or some thing? |
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| 21:17.45 | dak | Firehand: iv been using the nvidia installer for few years and its always worked |
| 21:17.53 | eXiSt | hi |
| 21:17.55 | Firehand | they are not working anymore |
| 21:17.56 | dak | and i dont use debian kernels |
| 21:17.59 | knoxy | stew I've problems in sarg unstable package.. can you help me? |
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| 21:18.04 | Firehand | unless nvidia fixes a lot of paths in their installer |
| 21:18.11 | stew | knoxy: did you check the bts? |
| 21:18.25 | stew | dak: did you check the Xorg69To7 page? |
| 21:18.29 | jdhutchin1 | dak, you can use the nvidia installer, and it will work |
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| 21:18.34 | jdhutchin1 | untill you try to change some things |
| 21:18.36 | Firehand | dak: you can always use the opensource driver... |
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| 21:18.39 | dak | its loaded stew |
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| 21:18.53 | es0 | is etch the same as "unstable" ? |
| 21:18.56 | jdhutchin1 | dak, then you end up in a long process of sorting out what the nvidia driver deleted and what it put where |
| 21:19.00 | dak | jdhutchin1: you have any idea whats wrong |
| 21:19.05 | stew | es0: no etch is testing, sid is unstable |
| 21:19.12 | es0 | thanks |
| 21:19.21 | Firehand | dak: the paths have changed |
| 21:19.25 | Firehand | for module location and everything |
| 21:19.34 | Firehand | the nvidia installer assumes there is an /usr/X11R6 |
| 21:19.40 | Firehand | and thats not used anymore on Sid |
| 21:19.42 | dak | well can i build the debian one with using an apt kernel? |
| 21:19.47 | dak | er without |
| 21:19.52 | Firehand | yes |
| 21:19.54 | dak | k |
| 21:20.09 | jdhutchin1 | you should use the nvidia uninstaller to install the nvidia part first |
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| 21:20.28 | jdhutchin1 | and then re-install your X server to fix the files that nvidia goofed up |
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| 21:20.30 | dak | see i thought i had to have sids current kernel installed because when iv installed the debian nvidia stuff in the past it pulls the latest kernel headers for sid... |
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| 21:22.00 | Firehand | dak: well as long as you use make-kpkg to build your kernel there should be no problem :) |
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| 21:22.18 | AMB | hi people |
| 21:22.19 | eXiSt | I m using ip route command for load balancing of two different isp at gateway machine. Also pptpd server is running at the gateway and when a pptp client comes one of a ppp interface becomes up and kernel add a route to the main route table. And when this happens my iproute tables mixed. And gateway down. how can i solve this problem? |
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| 21:22.34 | dak | If installing the original nvidia drivers from the nvidia.com drivers download page with the official driver script, use --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/. and you are saying thats a big problem jdhutchin1 ? |
| 21:23.25 | AMB | a short question: in which package there is glxinfo and glxgears in debian unstable? |
| 21:23.35 | Firehand | AMB: mesa-utils |
| 21:23.42 | AMB | thx |
| 21:24.35 | eXiSt | I m using ip route command for load balancing of two different isp at gateway machine. Also pptpd server is running at the gateway and when a pptp client comes one of a ppp interface becomes up and kernel add a route to the main route table. And when this happens my iproute tables mixed. And gateway down. how can i solve this problem? |
| 21:24.37 | eXiSt | please help me |
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| 21:26.20 | AMB | ... and i thought i have problems... |
| 21:27.44 | stew | eXiSt: are you passing the defaultroute option to ppp? |
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| 21:28.17 | pirr1 | quelqu'un a-t-il entendu parlé de la summerOfCode2006? |
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| 21:28.20 | dothebart | hy... |
| 21:28.31 | stew | pirr1: /join #debian-fr |
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| 21:28.43 | dothebart | i was wondering whats going on with the emacs21 package in sid? |
| 21:28.49 | pirr1 | has someone heard about SummerOfCode2006? |
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| 21:29.15 | stew | !debwiki pirr1 SummerOfCode2006 |
| 21:29.15 | dpkg | pirr1: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2006 |
| 21:29.37 | dak | yo stew whats the name of the new nvidia "driver" in the xorg.conf cuz it changed from 6 to 7 and i think i might have that messed up, atm i have it Driver "nv" |
| 21:29.42 | dak | or jdhutchin1 |
| 21:29.43 | dothebart | emacs21-common is marked as 'kept back' and if i install it, i don't get a working emacs anymore... |
| 21:29.55 | stew | dak: nv is the free driver |
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| 21:30.08 | AMB | dak: nvidia |
| 21:30.13 | destr0 | I have some iptables rules that won't run if I dont' run modprope ip_conntrack_ftp ports=21,4559. The only examples ican find of getting that to reload on a reboot involve embedding it in the iptables script, is there a way to configure it in etc? |
| 21:30.15 | stew | dothebart: someone yesterday reported that it was broken, check the bts |
| 21:30.37 | dothebart | it has been for a week now ;) |
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| 21:30.44 | stew | destr0: put ip_conntrack_ftp ports=21,4559 into /etc/modules |
| 21:30.59 | stew | dothebart: actually were you the one with the erc problem? |
| 21:31.03 | Runix | hi |
| 21:31.09 | Runix | i need help |
| 21:31.23 | stew | Runix: if you have an actual question, just ask it |
| 21:31.31 | dothebart | rc? |
| 21:31.32 | dothebart | erc? |
| 21:31.33 | dak | thanks amb, that was the problem not any other thing everyone said |
| 21:31.40 | stew | dondelelcaro: nm |
| 21:31.43 | stew | dothebart: nm |
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| 21:32.01 | AMB | really? cool :) i love being useful :) |
| 21:32.04 | dothebart | i've been here for the first time for several months. |
| 21:32.04 | dak | bleh in the upgrade it said it changed it to that and it worked and it was the name of the new nvidia package so didnt figure it was wrong, thanks amb |
| 21:32.24 | Runix | i must to delete recent document from menu |
| 21:32.34 | dak | man xloaded alot faster |
| 21:32.42 | stew | Runix: which menu? |
| 21:32.49 | dothebart | i've checked it on a box which i don't depend upon, but the package wanting to remove my editor has apeared a week ago. |
| 21:32.59 | Runix | gnome menu |
| 21:33.08 | stew | dothebart: you can install emacs21 from testing or install emacs-snapshot which is a v22 prerelease |
| 21:33.37 | dak | but thanks stew for the help |
| 21:33.43 | stew | Runix: gotta get the porn movie out of recent documents before dad gets home? :) |
| 21:33.49 | dak | one of the few decent people in the chan is stew |
| 21:34.03 | Runix | yes |
| 21:34.04 | stew | dak: i wouldn't go that far, but thanks |
| 21:34.06 | Runix | tell me |
| 21:34.19 | dothebart | stew: how well done is it yet? |
| 21:34.47 | stew | dothebart: its the only one i'm using these days, i'm having no problems whatsoever |
| 21:35.00 | parag0n | Runix, its probably in ~/.gnome2/ |
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| 21:35.04 | sandman | What's the best Java package to use? Sun's, IBM's, or blackdown? |
| 21:35.07 | stew | dothebart: and it will co-exist peacefully with 21 and 20, (update-alternatives --config emacs) |
| 21:35.10 | dothebart | ok. i'll check it out then. |
| 21:35.11 | eXiSt | stew : how can i pass default route option of ppp? |
| 21:35.17 | Runix | thank parag0n |
| 21:35.24 | AMB | argh... why doesn't glxgears output the fps anywhere? |
| 21:35.40 | stew | eXiSt: you want to NOT pass the defaultroute option. it sounds like you probably are, but i don't know how exactly you are starting ppp. |
| 21:36.00 | stew | sandman: "best"? for what? |
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| 21:36.14 | sandman | stew: The most functional, stable, whatever :) |
| 21:36.27 | sandman | stew: What's your favorite Java implementation? |
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| 21:36.36 | eXiSt | stew i m not starting ppp.pptp starts ppp |
| 21:36.47 | dothebart | stew: is there a changelog or compressed increased features list somewhere? |
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| 21:37.03 | stew | sandman: sablevm! (i wish i could say that), i end up just using sun usually. i don't ever really find a difference though (and i do a lot of java development) |
| 21:37.15 | dothebart | does it better work together with svn? |
| 21:37.31 | eXiSt | stew : http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/dgd-usage.txt from this link |
| 21:37.42 | eXiSt | i set the iproute commands at gateway |
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| 21:38.14 | eXiSt | it works well until a pptp client comes and connect to gateway |
| 21:38.56 | destr0 | so I have iptables rules built up, iptables-save pushes the data to the console, what file does debian use to reload the rules at boot |
| 21:39.32 | eXiSt | pptp deamon starts a conenction by ppp. and creates a ppp interface for pptp client. and so kernel put a new route to main route table |
| 21:39.46 | stew | eXiSt: you need to figure out where to set ppp options for ppp.pptp, perhaps in /etc/ppp/peers? i don't know |
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| 21:40.50 | stew | eXiSt: is ppp.pptp coming from a debian package? |
| 21:40.58 | eXiSt | yes |
| 21:40.58 | dothebart | stew: the same question arises me as on the update from 20 to 21, how do i get rid of the icon-bar? |
| 21:41.40 | stew | dothebart: (tool-bar-mode nil) |
| 21:42.00 | sandman | Should I run make-jpkg as a non-root user? |
| 21:42.02 | stew | dothebart: there is also menu-bar-mode and scroll-bar-mode |
| 21:42.11 | stew | sandman: yes, run it with fakeroot |
| 21:42.23 | dothebart | ah, it has changed sides i see. |
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| 21:42.54 | eXiSt | stew : i think in any case pptp server must start a new ppp interface for the pptp client. am i wrong? |
| 21:43.02 | dothebart | the menu is smaller as on emacs21, is there a way to get it even smaller? |
| 21:43.11 | stew | eXiSt: yes. it must |
| 21:43.39 | eXiSt | stew : so then it puts a route to the main route table even it doesnt a default route? |
| 21:43.40 | stew | dothebart: by setting the face it uses, but don't ask me, ask #emacs |
| 21:43.49 | dothebart | ok ;) |
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| 21:44.04 | stew | eXiSt: yes |
| 21:44.39 | stew | dothebart: or M-x customize, click on faces, and have a go at it |
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| 21:45.38 | AMB | what is libGLU? |
| 21:45.46 | sandman | stew: Will it be broken if I don't run it with fakeroot? And would you recommend always using a non-root user with fakeroot for compiling software? |
| 21:45.52 | eXiSt | stew : this is my problem :) ppp desnt put a default route. it just put the ppptp interface route. but i think it effects my iproute tables. i just try to find it. did u look at the iproute commands at the link that i gave? |
| 21:46.27 | stew | sandman: it will quit if you don't run it using fakeroot. and you should never compile things as root |
| 21:47.00 | eXiSt | 10.0.1.12 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp1 |
| 21:47.21 | stew | eXiSt: i certainly don't have a way to know for sure who is creating a default route. however i can tell you that pppd has a defaultroute option to make it do that when it brings the interface up. no i didn't look at the link |
| 21:47.25 | eXiSt | this route effects my ip route command |
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| 21:47.56 | eXiSt | stew i disabled the default route option of pppd |
| 21:48.30 | eXiSt | may be i have to do something about ip route |
| 21:48.53 | eXiSt | but i really dunno ip route eneough |
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| 21:49.07 | bartden | hi, i need a program that checks if there's mail on a certain pop server, and display an output in console , any idea's ? |
| 21:49.09 | sandman | stew: Currently the install is just sitting there (I didn't use fakeroot) |
| 21:49.17 | speedy | anyone had debian running on dell power edge 2850 servers ? |
| 21:49.21 | eXiSt | ip rule add prio 10 table main |
| 21:49.39 | stew | sandman: make-jpkg is just sitting there? |
| 21:49.39 | eXiSt | ip rule add prio 20 from 10.0.1.0/24 table 20 |
| 21:49.39 | eXiSt | ip route append default via 10.0.1.1 dev wan0 src 10.0.1.2 table 20 |
| 21:49.47 | dothebart | ah, bug in the init files. |
| 21:49.58 | eXiSt | ip rule add prio 30 from 10.0.2.0/24 table 30 |
| 21:49.58 | eXiSt | ip route append default via 10.0.2.1 dev wan1 src 10.0.2.2 table 30 |
| 21:50.18 | eXiSt | ip rule add prio 100 table 100 |
| 21:50.19 | stew | eXiSt: please don't flood in here |
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| 21:50.23 | stew | eXiSt: use a pastebin |
| 21:50.23 | x`y`-xy | i have the content of /etc/hosts ... 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost (EOL) 192.168.2.3 fnac.services-reseau.com fnac |
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| 21:50.57 | x`y`-xy | why the host name is : server1:~# |
| 21:51.02 | factor | what package is xmkmf in? |
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| 21:51.15 | sandman | stew: Yeah |
| 21:51.15 | voltagex | hi, when I try to send mail from the command line I get a returned message that says: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 21:51.21 | azeem | factor: xutils(-dev) |
| 21:51.31 | sandman | stew: Wait it just finished |
| 21:51.39 | factor | azeem thanks |
| 21:51.42 | azeem | factor: packages.debian.org has a search facility for that kind of questions |
| 21:51.49 | factor | got it |
| 21:51.52 | factor | k |
| 21:52.27 | x`y`-xy | how can change the host name ...pls hlp me !!! |
| 21:53.02 | stew | voltagex: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say? |
| 21:53.11 | r_marvin | x`y`-xy: cat /etc/hostame |
| 21:53.22 | r_marvin | * hostname |
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| 21:54.10 | voltagex | stew, just a sec, I'll check |
| 21:54.10 | x`y`-xy | ok ...i will try Thanks |
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| 21:56.10 | voltagex | stew: courier-mta: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 21:56.47 | nceterval | I'm trying to set up ssh on a fresh sarge install and I seem to have made some mistake. I edited /etc/ssh/ssh_config, saved it, restarted sshd, and I get a connection refused error when I try to connect from another box on the network. |
| 21:56.58 | SoulBlink | stew: its copying away, its a few hundred gigs, so this might take awile |
| 21:57.13 | SoulBlink | stew: you're right the ligth show isn't as interesting as I wanted it to be |
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| 21:58.01 | stew | voltagex: do you have a /etc/courier/smtpaccess/default file or something similar? |
| 21:58.19 | stew | voltagex: it should have "127.0.0.1 allow,RELAYCLIENT" in it |
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| 21:58.59 | mike12341 | hi, i have just recomplied my kernel with apm support but im not sure how to generate the intrid |
| 21:59.03 | stew | nceterval: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 21:59.13 | Kerr | hmm.. what is the command for dpkg's lame-nick-o-meter ? |
| 21:59.32 | stew | mike12341: add the --initrd option to the make-kpkg command line |
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| 22:00.00 | mike12341 | thanks stew |
| 22:00.05 | voltagex | stew: thanks, that'll only allow this machine to use the server though? |
| 22:00.16 | zelko | n0t_flan: Hi! A nice neighbour got his netgear-router totally open ;-) |
| 22:00.17 | voltagex | (that's what I want) |
| 22:00.34 | stew | voltagex: yeah, only from 127.0.0.1 (localhost). did you have to add that line? you have to run makesmtpaccess or something after you edit it |
| 22:00.40 | mike12341 | stew, will that module take care of any things that get loaded that i have in my exsting intrid |
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| 22:00.54 | nceterval | stew: I'm afraid I don't understnad.. |
| 22:00.59 | voltagex | stew: editing that file now |
| 22:01.13 | stew | mike12341: whatever it thinks you need, plus whatever you additionally configure it for |
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| 22:01.23 | cheal | !tell Kerr about nickometer Kerr |
| 22:01.33 | mike12341 | stew, thanks ill try that now |
| 22:01.40 | stew | voltagex: after you are done run makesmtpaccess, and i can't remember if you have to restart the service afterwards (/me doen't run courier anymore) |
| 22:02.17 | voltagex | stew: I'm running courier as exim4 froze my machine randomly... |
| 22:02.42 | voltagex | stew: not as simple as I thought, the allow lines are correct without any editing |
| 22:03.52 | netcrash | Thanks for the help |
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| 22:05.28 | VictorI | is debian-amd64 multiarch? |
| 22:06.11 | azeem | no |
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| 22:07.44 | voltagex | stew: crap, vital detail left out - local mail works but I want to send mail to outside addresses |
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| 22:09.26 | stew | voltagex: you might run makesmtpaccess for good measure, if that doesn't work, ask #courier |
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| 22:09.59 | voltagex | stew: thanks again |
| 22:10.06 | voltagex | school time :( |
| 22:10.16 | huhlig | anyone know where I could find help with memdisk? |
| 22:11.42 | mike12341 | is it easy to apply the kernel patches to the default kerenl |
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| 22:12.15 | streuner | yes |
| 22:12.19 | huhlig | mike12341 yes |
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| 22:13.01 | AMB | cu all |
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| 22:13.24 | streuner | mike12341: if you want use vanilla kernel /msg dpkg patch |
| 22:13.34 | sandman | Is there a debian tool like java-package to install nvidia GLX and kernel modules? |
| 22:13.56 | streuner | apt-get install? |
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| 22:14.27 | x`y`-xy | in my debian missing /etc/sysconfig/ ......it is normal ??? |
| 22:14.41 | tolsen | sandman, do a "apt-cache search nvidia" |
| 22:15.32 | stew | x`y`-xy: that is a redhatism afaik, there is never /etc/sysonfig in debian |
| 22:15.58 | r3tex | anyone here tried the sparse memory model? |
| 22:16.26 | tolsen | stew, oddly enough there is one in the bayonne package |
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| 22:16.52 | stew | tolsen: someone should probably file a bug |
| 22:17.00 | tolsen | stew, probably |
| 22:17.37 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx |
| 22:17.41 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8756-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3206 kB, Installed size: 10540 kB |
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| 22:19.03 | stew | tolsen: however seeing as it has 3 rc bugs open already that are older than 150 days, its doubtful that anyone is actually looking after that package |
| 22:19.52 | hda1 | im just installing from dvd and after first reboot it didnt ask for root-password. whats wrong? |
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| 22:20.46 | hda1 | first thing was user |
| 22:21.00 | hda1 | user-name, fullname, password thats all |
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| 22:21.11 | zeccoz | hm |
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| 22:25.27 | x`y`-xy | how can login in mysql |
| 22:25.59 | stew | x`y`-xy: mysql -u username -p database ; if the username doesn't have a password then skip the -p |
| 22:26.27 | x`y`-xy | thanks |
| 22:26.41 | stew | x`y`-xy: and with an optional -h hostname |
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| 22:27.37 | startxwhite | has anyone here ever managed to update sarge (apt-get update & apt-get upgrade) from a live distro? i mean booting a live distro like slax which has 2.6.16 and establishing a stable and fast connection to the net via wireless cardbus card, mounting sarge / (/dev/hda1) and then updating SARGE? |
| 22:27.53 | newpers | i have a sata drive that currently has slamd64 and windows on it. i want to replace slamd64 with a i386 debian verison. does the kernel on the stable release support sata drives? |
| 22:28.11 | dothebart | stew: i've found the toolbar in the customization menues, but i can't find how to disable it there... |
| 22:28.25 | stew | startxwhite: sure. just mount your / partition somewhere, chroot to it and run apt-get |
| 22:28.35 | startxwhite | <stew> how? |
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| 22:29.10 | startxwhite | chroot /mnt/hda1 ??? |
| 22:29.12 | stew | startxwhite: mkdir /debian ; mount /dev/hda1 /debian ; chroot /debian ; apt-get update ;apt-get upgrade |
| 22:29.47 | startxwhite | debian is mounted on /mnt/hda1 |
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| 22:30.34 | stew | dothebart: M-x tool-bar-mode ; or put (tool-bar-mode nil) into your .emacs |
| 22:30.46 | dothebart | yep, that did work... |
| 22:31.06 | dothebart | i'm just trieing to get these config menues do something usefull for me... |
| 22:31.16 | newpers | what kernel does 3.1 use? |
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| 22:32.20 | cheal | newpers: Linux 2.4.27 by default and 2.6.8.1 alternatively on most arches |
| 22:32.38 | newpers | cheal: thanks |
| 22:33.01 | dothebart | for example basic faces -> Menu face, i can add a hook to 'font family' but i can't select a value for that... |
| 22:33.18 | newpers | cheal: do you happen to know if 3.1r2 i386 will support my sata drive |
| 22:33.23 | stew | dothebart: ask #emacs |
| 22:33.31 | dothebart | ok. |
| 22:33.42 | stew | newpers: it depends on which ide chipset |
| 22:34.06 | cheal | newpers: no. I don't know about SATA, but I also don't know about your SATA drive/controller |
| 22:34.15 | junix | where can i find a list of apt sources? |
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| 22:34.58 | stew | junix: on stable run apt-setup; otherwise /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 22:35.09 | newpers | i don't want to uninstall slamd64 to realize that debian's not going to work |
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| 22:36.10 | dn4 | just fed my black widow spider and the hatchlings |
| 22:36.15 | dn4 | man those little hatchlings got out |
| 22:36.29 | dn4 | I think if I got bit I am going down in a hour |
| 22:36.30 | Oryn | newpers: etch worked on my sata system |
| 22:36.42 | newpers | what's etch? |
| 22:36.50 | newpers | unstable release? |
| 22:36.52 | Oryn | newpers: testing |
| 22:37.06 | Daishi | what do you all use as frontends to transcode/mencoder/whatever when dvd ripping/encoding? |
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| 22:37.35 | Oryn | Daishi: transcode dvd::rip |
| 22:37.38 | Zvpun | how can I plot a datafile in gnuplot with black lines instead of colored ones? |
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| 22:38.13 | Daishi | Oryn: oh thanks ill try that though i may have already |
| 22:38.16 | stew | Zvpun: using Xresources iirc |
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| 22:38.31 | Oryn | Daishi: use apt-get.org to find debs |
| 22:38.32 | Zvpun | stew: I want to plot into a png file. |
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| 22:39.18 | Daishi | oo shouldnt apt-get install dvdrip work? |
| 22:39.19 | destr0 | what does who query to tell you whose on |
| 22:39.40 | newpers | how stable is etch? |
| 22:39.40 | Daishi | oo more recent unofficial packages |
| 22:39.44 | Daishi | i run etch |
| 22:39.47 | stew | Daishi: dvdrip isnt' in debian, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:39.47 | Daishi | its pretty good |
| 22:39.52 | Oryn | Daishi: dunno, try it and see |
| 22:40.05 | stew | Zvpun: i haven't used it in a long time |
| 22:40.12 | Daishi | one or two updates borked on me but i fixed them relatively easy |
| 22:40.24 | Daishi | it was mostly just X being a pain though |
| 22:40.39 | Oryn | newpers: depends what you mean by stable |
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| 22:40.46 | Daishi | stew: ohh well then its in one of the repositories i placed in my apt conf |
| 22:41.02 | newpers | i'm doing a lot of professional development on it. if something screws up...i'm screwed |
| 22:41.16 | stew | newpers: use stable + backports then |
| 22:41.22 | newpers | slamd64 is very nice. no problems, i jsut don't like the packaging system slackware uses |
| 22:41.24 | stew | newpers: or just stable |
| 22:42.16 | Zvpun | stew: I thought that would be a simple one but it wasn't that easy until I found the "test" command, that displays all styles. |
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| 22:42.29 | Oryn | newpers: it hasn´t crashed on me, but I think the packages are updated often so its subject to change |
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| 22:44.39 | [Utah]tristanbob | I am looking for a command line program to send an email attachment, without requiring an MTA. Any ideas? |
| 22:45.26 | Ugly_Duck | trying to get kde/kdm to start on boot up and login, instead of a text login, but it keeps failing on startup |
| 22:46.25 | cheal | newpers: it's really hard to tell you how stable etch is. you can look at. releases mostly differ in stability in terms of serious bugs. you can get an idea of which serious bugs there are at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
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| 22:46.50 | cheal | s/you can look at.// |
| 22:46.54 | Ugly_Duck | i edited this file /etc/X11/default-display-manager and its already got kdm as the default manager |
| 22:47.14 | Ugly_Duck | do i need to put a line in /etc/inittab ? |
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| 22:47.25 | gartt | KDE... christ |
| 22:47.32 | Ugly_Duck | there is nothing i can see that mentions xmd or kdm |
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| 22:48.16 | cheal | Ugly_Duck: no |
| 22:48.26 | startxwhite | <stew> i followed your instructions but if i run ifconfig i get :Warning cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory).Limited output |
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| 22:49.32 | newpers | also, i'm looking at the debian setup and it seems like they have a partitioning step for you. i've already done that... and don't want to delete my windows partition, just linux partition (which it needs to write over). is that going to be a problem? |
| 22:49.36 | Hagbard_2 | OMG! |
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| 22:49.53 | cheal | newpers: it shouldn't |
| 22:49.57 | newpers | thanks |
| 22:49.59 | Supaplex | simple sid backport++ |
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| 22:50.04 | Hagbard_2 | Anyone here on Ubuntu? |
| 22:50.13 | cheal | Hagbard_2: /topic |
| 22:50.20 | Ugly_Duck | gartt: on startup, kdm says its started, then right after is says xdm is not the default manager, then goes to text login? |
| 22:50.20 | newpers | what's backport |
| 22:50.31 | gartt | Hagbard_2: #Training_wheels4linux |
| 22:50.32 | x`y`-xy | hlp me ...i paste in #flood som lines ...with two errors .....how can fix it |
| 22:50.33 | x`y`-xy | ??? |
| 22:50.36 | cheal | !backport |
| 22:50.37 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 22:50.55 | cheal | !tell x`y`-xy about ep |
| 22:51.06 | gartt | Ugly_Duck: Sorry, I don't know too much about the working of KDE, but I'd like to help |
| 22:51.20 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: maybe kdm tries to start X but X start failes |
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| 22:51.31 | x`y`-xy | ok cheal, i understand, |
| 22:51.33 | Hagbard_2 | Is there repos in Debian to? Just like Ubuntu? |
| 22:51.40 | x`y`-xy | ypu can help me pls ? |
| 22:51.42 | cheal | x`y`-xy: IRC isn't Jabber. nobody can see what you pasted in #flood if they weren't on the channel when you pasted |
| 22:51.44 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: I would check /var/log/X-Logfile or something like that |
| 22:51.53 | Hagbard_2 | Anyone knowing the difference between Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 22:52.00 | Ronin | Hagbard_2: spelling for one |
| 22:52.05 | cheal | x`y`-xy: I don't know with the information you gave |
| 22:52.23 | Hagbard_2 | Ronin, Okey... |
| 22:52.33 | Ugly_Duck | Zvpun: when i login through the text login, i sudo /etc.init.d/kdm start and it starts up ok |
| 22:52.34 | Ronin | Hagbard_2: did you look at the respective websites? |
| 22:52.42 | cheal | Hagbard_2: there are many differences. Ubuntu and Debian aren't distributed by the same entity |
| 22:52.46 | Ugly_Duck | gartt: thanks any ways |
| 22:52.58 | Hagbard_2 | Really like my Ubuntu... But I wanna get as much experience as possible... |
| 22:53.33 | x`y`-xy | ok cheal i can paste in your prv ??? |
| 22:53.42 | cheal | x`y`-xy: no. |
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| 22:53.57 | Ugly_Duck | i see, its got xdm and kdm in the /etc/rc5.d/ directory |
| 22:54.00 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: and when it goes to text login can you change with ALT-F7 to X console or is it blank? |
| 22:54.09 | cheal | x`y`-xy: either tell in advance that you're going to paste something on #flood, or use a paster |
| 22:54.48 | x`y`-xy | ok ...i will past in 30 sec a mesage in #flood , pls help me !! |
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| 22:55.05 | Ugly_Duck | Zvpun: id:2:initdefault: <- -means it starts up on run level two correct? |
| 22:55.37 | Ugly_Duck | i have not tried alt-f7 on startup, just logged in, then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start and bingo it starts |
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| 22:55.56 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: I think so |
| 22:55.56 | Ugly_Duck | 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 6 22:47 S99kdm -> ../init.d/kdm |
| 22:56.03 | cheal | x`y`-xy: be aware that nobody will go there if you don't give at least a hint so that people know what your problem is about |
| 22:56.09 | Ugly_Duck | 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 6 23:05 S99xdm -> ../init.d/xdm |
| 22:56.15 | x`y`-xy | :))) thanks for help !!! nobody join on #flood !!! |
| 22:56.17 | Ugly_Duck | they both exist in run level two? |
| 22:56.34 | x`y`-xy | i install it post fix |
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| 22:56.44 | x`y`-xy | and i recive 2 errors at finish |
| 22:56.50 | Ronin | x`y`-xy: install what? |
| 22:57.00 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: you choose your display-manager with dpkg-reconfigure kdm|xdm the startup skripts know which display manager should start, as far as I know |
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| 22:57.11 | x`y`-xy | postfix |
| 22:57.17 | x`y`-xy | look here : |
| 22:57.18 | x`y`-xy | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : |
| 22:57.18 | x`y`-xy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.18 | x`y`-xy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.18 | x`y`-xy | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 22:57.41 | x`y`-xy | o k...i was kicked |
| 22:57.47 | x`y`-xy | you can help me |
| 22:57.47 | Ugly_Duck | Zvpun: i have tried dpkg-reconfigure kdm and it says choose xdm or kdm so i chose kdm |
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| 22:58.05 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: yes, that is why xdm knows that it shouldn't start |
| 22:58.27 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: you could have a look at /etc/init.d/{x,k}dm if you want. |
| 22:58.52 | Ugly_Duck | Zvpun: well, i just done, dpkg-reconfigure xdm twice choosing a different one each time, it console i get this message |
| 22:59.00 | Ugly_Duck | dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 22:59.01 | Ugly_Duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.11 | Ugly_Duck | whether i choose kdm or xdm |
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| 22:59.46 | Ugly_Duck | is it safe to remove that? as /etc/init.d/kdm already exsists also |
| 23:00.02 | Zvpun | Ugly_Duck: if you change kdm with dpkg-reconfiguer and try to start /etc/init.d/xdm it should exit with the message that kdm is the default display manager |
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| 23:00.13 | Ugly_Duck | oh right |
| 23:00.51 | Ugly_Duck | yup, your correct |
| 23:01.00 | Ugly_Duck | will restart and see what gives |
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| 23:02.53 | Entheogen | why I cannot start more than one X session? When I start another KDE, gnome, XFce... I cannot see anything, everithyng is disorted |
| 23:03.46 | marco13185 | how would I go about configuring X to use my second monitor? |
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| 23:04.35 | stew | startxwhite: mount --bind /proc /debian/proc ; before you chroot |
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| 23:06.08 | marco13185 | how would I go about configuring X to use my second monitor? |
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| 23:07.13 | k-god | !tell marco13185 about xinerama |
| 23:07.22 | k-god | !tel marco13185 about repeat |
| 23:07.36 | marco13185 | !tell marco13185 about repeat |
| 23:07.37 | marco13185 | :P |
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| 23:08.57 | Ugly_Duck | Zvpun: fixed, thanks |
| 23:08.58 | k-god | Yeah, yeah. |
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| 23:11.29 | alexandre | how do I configure my keyboard layout for bash? |
| 23:11.51 | k-god | alexandre: console: man loadkeys. X11: man xmodmap |
| 23:12.00 | stew | alexandre: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 23:14.33 | dererk | hi all! :D |
| 23:15.14 | Ademan | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-cd/ it has "debian-31r2-i386-binary-X.iso.torrent" where X is a number between 1 and 14... what does that mean? are they different revisions of the same thing? are the rest of them repositories for other packages? or what? |
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| 23:16.08 | stew | Ademan: no, it takes 14 cds to contain all of the available packages in debian stable |
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| 23:16.29 | dererk | dpkg, Hi! |
| 23:16.30 | dpkg | hi |
| 23:16.38 | stew | Ademan: you only need to download the first cd or a netinst (/msg dpkg netinst) to install, so long as you can get your machine on the network using a standard debian kernel |
| 23:16.42 | Ademan | ok, then thats an alternative to connecting to a repository to get the remaining packages? |
| 23:16.51 | Ademan | ok |
| 23:16.54 | Ademan | thanks |
| 23:17.03 | Ademan | thats what I had thought |
| 23:17.27 | VictorI | is there any way to set the default python version for apt-get? |
| 23:17.34 | VictorI | so it avoids installing python23 |
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| 23:18.06 | Ademan | unfortunately, I can't connect to anything because linux crashes if i leave pcmcia enabled (hw_random problems) and if i disable pcmcia i can't use my ethernet card |
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| 23:18.32 | stew | VictorI: no. if you are writing scripts that require 2.4, for now you need to use #!/usr/bin/python2.4 in the shebang |
| 23:18.39 | r3tex | is there a lot more overhead when using PAE instead memory split with regular highmem support? |
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| 23:18.45 | VictorI | stew thanks |
| 23:18.45 | k-god | VictorI: hold. |
| 23:18.52 | VictorI | hold? |
| 23:19.07 | startxwhite | <stew> thanks for your help. i will do as you told me tomorrow as it is past midnight in the uk |
| 23:19.08 | k-god | VictorI: If you hold a package it won't update without asking you first. |
| 23:19.32 | stew | VictorI: if you are in testing or unstable, hopefully the 2.3->2.4 transition should happen soon (but we've been hearing this for a while now) |
| 23:19.33 | k-god | VictorI: echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 23:19.42 | k-god | VictorI: ... minimal amount of asurance. |
| 23:19.43 | stew | k-god: that has nothing to do with his question |
| 23:19.58 | k-god | stew: Um. It doesn't? |
| 23:20.01 | stew | k-god: no |
| 23:20.13 | VictorI | the transition to 2.4 would be welcomed that is for sure. |
| 23:20.23 | stew | k-god: he's talking about where the /usr/bin/python symlink is pointing basically |
| 23:20.34 | k-god | stew: alternatives? |
| 23:20.38 | stew | k-god: nope |
| 23:20.43 | k-god | stew: Howso? |
| 23:20.47 | Ademan | is there a way to specify a blacklist on the command line from grub or lilo? |
| 23:21.00 | stew | k-god: currently: /usr/bin/python -> python2.3 and you can't change that symlink without breaking stuff |
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| 23:22.27 | k-god | stew: OK. |
| 23:22.34 | Supaplex | Ademan: as in blacklisting a module? |
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| 23:23.26 | dli | can I configure xdm to auto-login a user? gdm is too heavy :( pulling in many gnome packages |
| 23:24.02 | jengelh | try kdebase3-kdm |
| 23:24.17 | jengelh | does not pull too much packages, but looks good too |
| 23:24.23 | Ademan | Sugaplex: yes |
| 23:24.29 | dli | jengelh :( |
| 23:24.42 | jengelh | heh |
| 23:24.43 | dli | jengelh, no way to do xdm? |
| 23:24.55 | jengelh | oh hm |
| 23:25.05 | jengelh | no idea. I use startx anyhow. |
| 23:25.28 | dli | jengelh, how to make it auto startx as a user at booting? |
| 23:25.38 | jengelh | i manually startx. |
| 23:26.01 | Oryn | jengelh: wdm works |
| 23:26.01 | degantyll | sorta better I gotta agree |
| 23:26.02 | stew | dli: you can't do it with xdm using the stock debian pacakges afaik, but there are patches around that allow iirc |
| 23:26.03 | k-god | dli: install an X display manager: xdm kdm gdm wdm |
| 23:26.24 | k-god | dli: Autologin's a bad idea. |
| 23:26.28 | dli | stew, I'm making my own liveusb :( |
| 23:26.42 | k-god | dli: man inittab |
| 23:26.54 | k-god | dli: ... or add your own SysV init script. |
| 23:27.43 | jengelh | Oryn : not that wdm ... |
| 23:27.48 | dli | stew, startx sounds better, but need to figure out howto |
| 23:28.12 | jengelh | sounds like i'm going to write a dm ;P |
| 23:28.17 | dli | jengelh, what about entranced? |
| 23:28.48 | stew | dli: i'm using gdm for this, but i don't have space limitations like you might on a usb |
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| 23:28.53 | dli | jengelh, I want it to auto login as user, and the user can sudo without passwd |
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| 23:29.29 | dli | stew, I got it 400MB, for livecd of gentoo and installation (business card) of debian |
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| 23:29.58 | swbrown | Are there any good 3D cards with totally Open Source drivers? |
| 23:30.19 | Ademan | Sugaplex: do you know how? |
| 23:30.28 | stew | swbrown: ati radeons that are 9200 or less |
| 23:30.31 | dli | swbrown, as far as I am aware of, intel GMA950 (i945) |
| 23:30.38 | r3tex | anyone here know if 3rd-level pagetables is a good option to have on in-kernel ? |
| 23:30.39 | dvs | stew: dollars!?! ;-) |
| 23:30.50 | stew | swbrown: possibly 9250, hopefully 9600 soon |
| 23:30.50 | dli | stew, ati doesn't do open source 3d |
| 23:30.55 | stew | dli: yes it does |
| 23:30.57 | sussudio | athlon + pc66 memory = kernel panic |
| 23:31.24 | dli | stew, I remember ati explained it couldn't, due to license issue |
| 23:31.49 | stew | dli: what does ati have to do with the open-source drivers that I'm using? |
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| 23:32.02 | stew | dli: i'm using the drivers that come with the xfree and xorg servers, not the drivers from ati |
| 23:32.11 | dli | stew, that's 2D :) |
| 23:32.16 | stew | dli: no, its 3d |
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| 23:32.21 | dli | stew, ati opened 2D long ago |
| 23:32.39 | stew | dli: and the driver writers reverse engineered 3d on the 9200 series long ago |
| 23:32.57 | stew | dli: and on the 7000 series |
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| 23:33.37 | dli | stew, oh, how old (or new) is the 9200 card? never used ati |
| 23:34.18 | stew | dli: i don't know. 2 years or so? |
| 23:34.50 | swbrown | Nice, I'll look into that. |
| 23:34.52 | dli | stew, sounds useless still :( much poorer than intel GMA950, I think |
| 23:35.41 | dli | stew, fsf doesn't name ati, http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/video |
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| 23:35.51 | stew | dli: no this card is far from useless |
| 23:36.16 | swbrown | Following the references, I ran into http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon that says "Open source 3D acceleration is available on all Radeons up to and including the 9250 (rv280)." |
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| 23:36.47 | stew | dli: yes, fsf thinks that ati is an evil company, but that has nothing ot do with his original question |
| 23:36.50 | swbrown | But both are definately potential. :) I just want a purely DFSG-free 3D OS/X killer. :> |
| 23:37.05 | dli | swbrown, go intel |
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| 23:37.43 | stew | dli: that list is horribly incomlete |
| 23:37.49 | nzerox | hey, is it not possible to install nvidia-glx in etc? |
| 23:38.09 | dli | stew, probably, missing the open source ati drivers (for old cards) |
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| 23:39.47 | stew | dli: and support for newer cards is on the way |
| 23:40.57 | dli | stew, but intel support is better, I heard intel is making GPLed ipw wireless drivers also |
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| 23:41.15 | stew | dli: ipw wireless drivers are already in the mainline kernel |
| 23:41.30 | dli | stew, based on non-GPLed firmware |
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| 23:41.36 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 23:41.45 | DaBlade | Does anyone know how to download files off rtsp:// links? |
| 23:41.48 | DaBlade | (Real media) |
| 23:42.00 | nzerox | where can i find a sarge net inst cd that supports sata harddrives? |
| 23:42.01 | DaBlade | Download, not just play back I mean |
| 23:43.23 | dli | nzerox, going etch is easier |
| 23:43.53 | stew | nzerox: it depends on the chipset, the standard install supports some /msg dpkg d-i ; otherwise there are sarge installers with 2.6.15; /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 23:47.36 | stew | swbrown: it looks like opensource support is actually already there for r300-r500 in xorg now, and r300s aparantly will run the xgl stuff that is coming soon |
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| 23:47.56 | swbrown | stew: Nice. |
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| 23:48.48 | newpers | i have a ntfs, reiesrfs, and swap partition from my slackware windows dual boot. i'm running the debian install. when i click on ntfs. it says use as: do not use; bootable flag: on; size: 100 GB. should i change any of those settings? |
| 23:49.12 | newpers | in reiserfs it says: use as: do not use; bootable flag: off. should i change anything there? |
| 23:49.16 | nzerox | need help to install nvidia drivers on etch |
| 23:49.22 | dli | newpers, you can not install on ntfs, that's why "do not use" |
| 23:49.38 | newpers | dli: thanks |
| 23:49.42 | stew | newpers: no don't change any of that |
| 23:49.45 | AlienX | anyone know if sid is frozen? |
| 23:49.55 | bbrazil | AlienX: sid is never frozen |
| 23:50.02 | nzerox | sniff, nvidia drivers removed from testing :( |
| 23:50.05 | intx | is there some way I can install every single module in a directory? |
| 23:50.07 | stew | dli: do you have a link that says that says intel is going to release ipw firmware sourcecode? |
| 23:50.08 | AlienX | bbrazil, well, i haven't had any updates in 3 days :) |
| 23:50.16 | newpers | stew: when i run ok. it says i need to format the swap partition, which i do. but then i get an error saying no root found |
| 23:50.39 | dli | stew, no, I picked it in a chatroom |
| 23:50.40 | stew | newpers: do you have any partitions other that those three partitions that you plan to install debian onto? |
| 23:50.41 | bbrazil | AlienX: your mirror might be broken |
| 23:50.55 | AlienX | bbrazil, possible. it's us.debian.org so we'll see :) |
| 23:51.00 | stew | dli: i don't believe it. they already released their driveers ask gpl which are the drivers in the kernel themselves |
| 23:51.02 | newpers | stew: i plan to format the current reiserfs partition |
| 23:51.07 | newpers | and install debian over that |
| 23:51.22 | cheal | nzerox: did you check the guide? you should be able to install the legacy drivers |
| 23:51.30 | stew | newpers: then change the dontuse to / for the reiserfs partition |
| 23:51.36 | newpers | so should i say use as: reiserfs, make it /, and keep bootable as on or off/ |
| 23:51.36 | bbrazil | AlienX: us.debian is a roundrobin of 4 servers iirc |
| 23:51.48 | nzerox | cheal, nope i´ve been looking for a guide, where can i find it ? |
| 23:52.03 | cheal | !tell nzerox about ngd |
| 23:52.04 | AlienX | bbrazil, hmm, well chances are it'd update on one of them at some point if one of the mirrors were broken |
| 23:52.08 | stew | nzerox: linux doens't care about the bootable flag |
| 23:52.12 | x`y`-xy | where i can found php4.conf PLS HLP ME |
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| 23:52.30 | stew | x`y`-xy: /etc/php/*/php.ini |
| 23:52.51 | stew | swbrown: err /etc/php4/*/php.ini |
| 23:52.51 | OPP | im installing debian on my laptop right now |
| 23:52.55 | dli | stew, we will see, maybe, we can see a GPLed system with releasing of conroe |
| 23:53.02 | OPP | i cant setup my wifi card can i, during net install |
| 23:53.14 | AlienX | OPP, sid works fine on my laptop |
| 23:53.23 | OPP | hmm |
| 23:53.23 | OPP | ok |
| 23:53.24 | dli | OPP, what card? |
| 23:53.30 | OPP | netgear wg511t |
| 23:53.45 | OPP | its still installing the debian base i cant toy with it yet |
| 23:54.41 | AlienX | OPP, you *might* need the ndiswrapper for that card but i'm not sure about that |
| 23:54.51 | OPP | ok |
| 23:55.01 | OPP | i dont think i do because on mepis it worked fine |
| 23:55.04 | OPP | on live |
| 23:55.10 | AlienX | OPP, then you might be fine |
| 23:55.12 | dli | OPP, the driver for it is madwifi |
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| 23:55.26 | newpers | ok, last question. sorry. |
| 23:55.28 | OPP | ya its madwifi i thought |
| 23:55.29 | factor | does xorg.conf have a way to disable mouse buttons in it? |
| 23:55.40 | newpers | i currenty have lilo installed in the master boot record. it's asking me to install grub. is that fine? |
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| 23:55.59 | OPP | wow that was fast |
| 23:56.06 | dli | OPP go to shell environment, manually load madwifi |
| 23:56.07 | newpers | i don't care if it overwrites things |
| 23:56.14 | OPP | k |
| 23:56.43 | newpers | ok, i did it anyways |
| 23:56.43 | stew | does grub even support reiserfs? |
| 23:57.36 | dli | stew, yes, reiserfs is supported, people are talking about reiser4 + grub now |
| 23:58.13 | nzerox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.33 | AlienX | nzerox, what are you trying to do? just get the nvidia drivers working? |
| 23:58.40 | nzerox | AlienX, yep |
| 23:58.51 | AlienX | nzerox, do you have module-assistant installed? |
| 23:59.07 | nzerox | AlienX, thats the error from module-assistant |
| 23:59.18 | AlienX | nzerox, you did m-a prepare first right? |
| 23:59.19 | cheal | nzerox: are you trying to install the current or legacy drivers? |
| 23:59.24 | dli | nzerox, do you have linux-headers ? |
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| 23:59.28 | MacSlow | Greetings everybody! |
| 23:59.36 | nzerox | AlienX, yep |
| 23:59.38 | nzerox | cheal, current |
| 23:59.39 | MacSlow | any head-honchos of the package-maintaining guild for Ubuntu here? |
| 23:59.49 | stew | MacSlow: you want #ubuntu |
| 23:59.50 | AlienX | MacSlow, read the topic |
| 23:59.52 | nzerox | dli, yep, i use m-a to compile ipw2200 stuff |
