| 00:00.02 | bbrazil | MacSlow: #ununtu-motu |
| 00:00.09 | VictorI | out of curiosity are ubuntu enhancements backported/flowed into debian sid? |
| 00:00.15 | cheal | nzerox: try installing the legacy drivers instead |
| 00:00.30 | MacSlow | stew, AlienX, bbrazil: Not necessarily |
| 00:00.34 | cheal | VictorI: which ones? |
| 00:00.46 | stew | nzerox: for which kernel version? |
| 00:01.02 | VictorI | whichever usability enhancements ubuntu accomplishes in general. |
| 00:01.04 | stew | VictorI: yes, /msg dpkg utnubu |
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| 00:01.20 | stew | hmm, no utnubu faq? |
| 00:01.32 | nzerox | stew, Linux nzxlaptop 2.6.15-1-686 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:01.38 | nzerox | cheal, i get same error message |
| 00:01.43 | stew | VictorI: http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu |
| 00:01.55 | OrTigaS | hi if i wget a file where it go?(folder) |
| 00:01.58 | MacSlow | stew, AlienX, bbrazil: I'm trying to provide my custom work for debianizing gtkglext-1.2.0, gtkglextmm-1.2.0 and glew-1.3.4 to just any of the debian or ubuntu maintainers (stated in the changelogs) for some weeks now |
| 00:02.02 | stew | nzerox: you don't need to use m-a to install ipw2200 on that kernel, ipw2200 is already included in that kernel |
| 00:02.03 | cheal | VictorI: what do you mean, you're asking if *all* ubuntu enhancements are merged in sid? |
| 00:02.15 | cheal | nzerox: try to do what? |
| 00:02.18 | VictorI | no just in general |
| 00:02.23 | AlienX | MacSlow, might want to post on the ubuntu forum and mention that |
| 00:02.33 | nzerox | stew, i didnt know that, know for next time |
| 00:02.56 | MacSlow | AlienX: Well sure I'll do that too... still I don't want to see stuff only show up in the ubuntu repos |
| 00:03.02 | nzerox | cheal, when i run m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 00:03.06 | cheal | VictorI: in general ==most? |
| 00:03.25 | VictorI | i suppose |
| 00:03.26 | MacSlow | AlienX, isn't it usually to have stuff go to debian "upstream" first and then "migrate" to ubuntu and the linke? |
| 00:03.28 | cheal | nzerox: can you [re]paste the error so I'm sure? |
| 00:03.35 | nzerox | cheal, sure np |
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| 00:03.49 | nzerox | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. |
| 00:03.54 | cheal | VictorI: that would be hard to determine |
| 00:04.10 | AlienX | MacSlow, there are things in ubuntu that aren't in debian and vice versa... |
| 00:04.10 | nzerox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.19 | nzerox | cheal, thats what it says |
| 00:04.36 | nzerox | cheal, i have main, contrib, and non-free added to my sources.list |
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| 00:04.42 | VictorI | hmm better yet, ubuntu tends to be more liberal in their apt repository, would you say it is 'safe enough' to use their multiverse repo? .. ubuntu does sync from SID bi yearly.. |
| 00:04.43 | MacSlow | AlienX, the maintainers of the official gtkglext, gtkglextmm and glew packages have @debian.org email-addresses. |
| 00:04.46 | cheal | nzerox: hum...it shouldn't try getting that package. |
| 00:04.53 | MacSlow | AlienX, I try to be not a complete fool :) |
| 00:05.21 | AlienX | MacSlow, you could e-mail them ;) |
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| 00:05.28 | nzerox | cheal, i using etch |
| 00:05.29 | DaBlade | Is it just me or have there not been any updates to Etch these last few days? |
| 00:05.32 | cheal | VictorI: what do you mean by "liberal"? |
| 00:05.34 | MacSlow | AlienX, I did... more than once. |
| 00:05.58 | AlienX | MacSlow, well post on the ubuntu forum and see what they said...but this is off topic for this channel |
| 00:06.05 | VictorI | eheal , well for example, multiverse has mplayer,avidemux.. stuff that is considered illegal in the debian repo. |
| 00:06.14 | cheal | nzerox: yes, I know. I'll try checking if I can reproduce |
| 00:06.25 | nzerox | cheal, thanks alot |
| 00:06.28 | zuhause01 | hello, i am new to debian and would like to know how i can install my radeon 9550 GrafCard. does anybody have time for me? |
| 00:06.29 | VictorI | would be nice if I can utilize the multiverse repo since it has those goodies. |
| 00:06.37 | cheal | DaBlade: there were, unless you're talking about very few days |
| 00:06.56 | DaBlade | cheal: I can't remember having any updates since around sunday I think |
| 00:07.02 | DaBlade | No new packages, period |
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| 00:07.24 | cheal | VictorI: mplayer wouldn't be considered illegal in Debian |
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| 00:07.40 | OrTigaS | hi! if i wget a file where it go?(folder) |
| 00:07.45 | VictorI | eheal, well it is not in the official debian repo |
| 00:07.51 | DaBlade | I've noticed that at 0:00 GMT every day, updates roll in on the Debian repositories. |
| 00:07.54 | initech | VictorI: it's just that everything needed to make it useful would be illegal :) |
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| 00:07.58 | nzerox | OrTigaS, it will be which ever folder u ran wget from |
| 00:07.59 | DaBlade | There weren't any the last few days. |
| 00:08.01 | VictorI | initech exactly. |
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| 00:08.05 | cheal | DaBlade: there were updates since then |
| 00:08.08 | dererk | Hi again! :D |
| 00:08.14 | OrTigaS | hmmm lemme see |
| 00:08.17 | DaBlade | cheal: Something is wrong then.. lol |
| 00:08.26 | hazard_ | Hi DaBlade |
| 00:08.33 | DaBlade | Hi. :) |
| 00:08.40 | DaBlade | Sup? |
| 00:08.46 | OrTigaS | nothing |
| 00:08.52 | nzerox | stew, are you sure i dont need to use m-a to load ipw2200 files, cos my wifi card didnt show up in iwconfig untill i did |
| 00:08.53 | hazard_ | Waiting for finals....beyond that...nothing |
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| 00:09.04 | DaBlade | I've got a major exam tomorrow. |
| 00:09.04 | MacSlow | so long then |
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| 00:09.08 | DaBlade | Or rather, today. |
| 00:09.10 | stew | nzerox: with a 2.6.15 kernel? yes |
| 00:09.11 | DaBlade | In six hours. |
| 00:09.12 | OrTigaS | how to find the file |
| 00:09.16 | DaBlade | I really should get some sleep. lol |
| 00:09.22 | zuhause01 | hello, i am new to debian and would like to know how i can install my radeon 9550 GrafCard. does anybody have time for me? |
| 00:09.23 | hazard_ | yea...that'd be good |
| 00:09.36 | DaBlade | I think I will. lol |
| 00:09.37 | stew | nzerox: you just needed to modprobe ipw2200 (assuming you are running a debian kernel) |
| 00:09.42 | DaBlade | Well, good night everybody |
| 00:09.47 | hazard_ | 'night |
| 00:09.48 | zuhause01 | night |
| 00:10.04 | cheal | nzerox: try # m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-source; instead |
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| 00:11.02 | nzerox | cheal, its seems to be doing something |
| 00:11.43 | OrTigaS | if i "ss:~# wget http://file.file.com" <--- where the file will go? |
| 00:12.05 | nzerox | OrTigaS, do pwd from there and it will tell u |
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| 00:12.14 | dli | OrTigaS, in you ~ (home), i.e., the current directory |
| 00:13.20 | nzerox | cheal, ok, that work, i think the module is installed |
| 00:13.31 | OrTigaS | only lost+found folder in my home dir |
| 00:13.48 | nzerox | cheal, and modprobe nvidia, worked ok |
| 00:14.00 | cheal | nzerox: good |
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| 00:14.16 | OrTigaS | how to find that file? |
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| 00:16.59 | nzerox | cheal, trying to config xserver now, fingers crossed |
| 00:18.11 | nzerox | reboot x, fingers crossed |
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| 00:18.59 | d3t | how do I feed xmodmap with an appropriate map file? |
| 00:19.24 | dli | OrTigaS, wget prints out the filename at downloading |
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| 00:20.10 | nzerox | cheal, everything is working great, thanks alot |
| 00:20.26 | cheal | nzerox: it's my pleasure |
| 00:21.43 | hazard_ | here's a stupid [noobish] question: Do I ever need to defragment a debian installation? |
| 00:21.59 | streuner | no |
| 00:22.10 | hazard_ | That's what I thought. |
| 00:22.17 | OrTigaS | dli ok... but how can i DL that file? |
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| 00:22.48 | OrTigaS | like if i want to download file like http://file.file.com |
| 00:23.19 | hazard_ | ummm? |
| 00:23.37 | OrTigaS | i dont have gui |
| 00:23.44 | hazard_ | wget |
| 00:23.44 | hazard_ | use wget |
| 00:23.45 | dli | OrTigaS, 19:23:28 (282.27 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [18105/18105] |
| 00:24.09 | dli | OrTigaS, check your output of "wget http://file.file.com" |
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| 00:24.21 | Unmessed | wget solves all. |
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| 00:24.53 | dli | Unmessed, lynx, links, w3b |
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| 00:25.52 | Unmessed | I was kidding... |
| 00:26.42 | OrTigaS | but i cant file the file |
| 00:26.48 | OrTigaS | err |
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| 00:26.56 | OrTigaS | but i cant find the file |
| 00:26.57 | hazard_ | ?! |
| 00:27.00 | hazard_ | what file? |
| 00:27.07 | hazard_ | what are you looking for/trying to do? |
| 00:27.08 | Aap | hi, does anyone know a good reverse engineering tool for php? |
| 00:27.18 | OrTigaS | like the http://file.file.com |
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| 00:27.39 | OrTigaS | i;m in root then look my home dir but nothing whenn i ls |
| 00:27.55 | dli | OrTigaS, it's not a wget problem |
| 00:28.02 | hazard_ | were you in ~/ when you ran wget? |
| 00:28.03 | OrTigaS | wget works |
| 00:28.15 | beered | I'm trying to write a script that would log me in (with password prompt) in to two ssl servers, e.g. ssh user@host.com than once I loggin to host.com, the script should start ssh user1@host2.com. Is this doable? |
| 00:28.19 | OrTigaS | ss:~# <---here |
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| 00:29.16 | hazard_ | Umm... beered do something with autorun login scripts? Like .bashrc or whatever (I dunno if ssh supports scripting to a host like that though, I've never tried) |
| 00:29.22 | dli | beered, in ~/.bash_profile, it should work |
| 00:30.15 | hazard_ | you *SHOULD* be able to add some scripting to the contents of .bashrc/.bash_profile to make it so that it only does it if it detects the incoming connectin being an ssh connection. |
| 00:30.15 | nzerox | stew, hey sorry to be a pain, but it was ipw2200 that i need to modprobe ? i can add this to /etc/modules to make it load at boot right ? |
| 00:30.21 | beered | I don't understand. Put the whole bash thing in to the .bashrc? |
| 00:30.31 | stew | beered: "ssh user@host.com ssh user1@host2.com" |
| 00:30.40 | stew | nzerox: yes |
| 00:30.42 | beered | stew: in .bashrc? |
| 00:30.48 | stew | beered: no, just run that command |
| 00:31.00 | nzerox | stew, thanks alot |
| 00:31.03 | nzerox | nite guys |
| 00:31.11 | beered | stew: wow. that's too easy! |
| 00:31.20 | hazard_ | do things have to be hard? |
| 00:31.31 | Unmessed | Haha. |
| 00:31.40 | stew | beered: anything that comes after the hostname is a command to run on the remote box, so that says ssh to the first and run ssh from there to the second |
| 00:31.54 | hazard_ | Really? Wow, learn something every day. |
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| 00:32.53 | beered | stew: I get an error message: Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal. |
| 00:33.03 | hazard_ | Using SSH how would you start processes that would keep running after you disconnect? |
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| 00:33.10 | Supaplex | man ssh |
| 00:33.15 | dli | hazard_, nohup |
| 00:33.31 | Supaplex | also screen (depending on the application) |
| 00:33.32 | hazard_ | ? |
| 00:33.45 | hazard_ | =confused |
| 00:33.52 | stew | beered: oh, add a -t to the first ssh |
| 00:33.54 | shogunx | hazard_ screen:) |
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| 00:34.12 | d3t | do I need to install an extra pkg to have a us-latin keyboard layout available for X? |
| 00:34.25 | beered | stew: you are a genious! |
| 00:34.32 | beered | stew: it worked like a charm. |
| 00:34.44 | hazard_ | stew/beered: I'd still do the .bashrc thing, as it would be a more permanant (easier to remember) solution (though if you don't need permantness...) |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:34.54 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 00:35.02 | stew | hazard_: that's what shell aliases are for |
| 00:35.09 | d3t | abrotman I have read that already |
| 00:35.13 | d3t | but thanks anyway |
| 00:35.24 | beered | hazard_: no, I digg that. create an alias for the whole thing is a good idea! |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | do they make a us-latin keyboard? |
| 00:35.41 | d3t | no |
| 00:35.46 | d3t | in fact |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | then why did you ask? |
| 00:36.01 | d3t | they do. i have one |
| 00:36.14 | hazard_ | well, I was thinking having the .bashrc run a test to see where the user that's controlling the terminal is connecting from, and if its from ssh, then have it automatically ssh to the next machine |
| 00:36.17 | abrotman | are you a catholic priest? |
| 00:36.20 | d3t | i want to put these things ^ above these letters a e |
| 00:36.32 | hazard_ | ?? |
| 00:36.40 | d3t | ^a 'a'a 'e'e |
| 00:37.00 | abrotman | d3t: oh .. there's a way to do that .. but since i'm ignint merican .. dunno how |
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| 00:37.13 | d3t | i see |
| 00:37.16 | rafael | why isn't midnight commander on debian? |
| 00:37.17 | abrotman | d3t: moment |
| 00:37.24 | abrotman | rafael: it is |
| 00:37.33 | kspath | rafael: apt-cache search mc |
| 00:37.54 | Aap | hi, does anyone know a good reverse engineering tool for php for Linux? |
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| 00:38.13 | Agrajag- | Aap: a text editor? |
| 00:38.13 | hazard_ | so, mount -t smbfs is obsolete, I should be using mount -t cifs? |
| 00:38.38 | rafael | oh, great, i was searching for midnight |
| 00:38.45 | Aap | Agrajag-: no just a tool to convert OO PHP code to UML |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | d3t: http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000044 .. stuff like that is what you're looking for .. i typed "umlaut us keyboard linux" into google |
| 00:38.49 | kspath | rafael: apt-cache search commander |
| 00:38.50 | hazard_ | what is mightnight commander? |
| 00:39.00 | Unmessed | File Browser. |
| 00:39.17 | Unmessed | Try it out some time. |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | midnight |
| 00:39.24 | abrotman | !mc |
| 00:39.24 | dpkg | hmm... mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco Stop! Hammertime! |
| 00:39.34 | Unmessed | Yes. |
| 00:39.39 | hazard_ | like gnome? |
| 00:39.43 | kspath | no |
| 00:39.44 | hazard_ | or KDE? or diffrent? |
| 00:39.47 | kspath | no |
| 00:39.50 | Unmessed | No. |
| 00:39.54 | d3t | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:39.56 | Unmessed | they're X window managers. |
| 00:40.00 | hazard_ | =nOObish |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | d3t: make sense? |
| 00:40.11 | Unmessed | Midnight Commander is all Text-ish. |
| 00:40.17 | hazard_ | ahhhh....one of those. |
| 00:40.36 | abrotman | d3t: now .. if you put that phrase into google. . you might get other references |
| 00:40.43 | Unmessed | KDE, Gnome, TWM, Black Box, all X Window Managers. |
| 00:40.55 | kspath | Unmessed: no |
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| 00:41.07 | dan0man | hello all |
| 00:41.17 | Unmessed | kspath: Then I guess I'm just wrong. :P |
| 00:41.20 | d3t | tks. it will help. just a pity for that first link, since I dont have KDE installed (im for WMaker) |
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| 00:41.36 | dan0man | I've just installed sarge r2, and my firefox isn't using the ttf fonts I have installed... |
| 00:42.05 | Aap | danOman: download the windows fonts |
| 00:42.16 | kspath | Unmessed: KDE and GNOME are not window managers. They have window managers as an important piece. |
| 00:42.26 | hazard_ | Pregunta: how does debian determine network card ram caches? (I'm working on a CD to boot some of my PCs to have them do dedicated processing without the overhead of the windowsystem) |
| 00:42.39 | dan0man | Aap: Ive installed them, and others, already |
| 00:42.50 | Unmessed | kspath: Desktop Environnements, yeah. Sorry, I'm kinda tired. It's late around here. |
| 00:43.03 | d3t | documentation for this is just terrible |
| 00:43.11 | kspath | d3t: Fix it. |
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| 00:43.30 | abrotman | d3t: right .. that's why i gave you the phrase i used for google |
| 00:43.39 | hazard_ | Every time I try to write documentation for whatever I'm working on it results in something that makes no sense to me or anyone else. |
| 00:44.06 | Unmessed | Solution: Write better docs. :P |
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| 00:44.29 | hazard_ | You make it sound so...simple....(though the problem is I don't really understand what I'm doing about 60% of the time) |
| 00:44.42 | kspath | hazard_: else assist others that are better at documentation and learn what you can from them. |
| 00:44.43 | Unmessed | Answer: Learn |
| 00:44.43 | abrotman | d3t: also .. google for "keyboard howto linux internationalization" or i18n |
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| 00:45.13 | d3t | ok! |
| 00:45.26 | kspath | !ok |
| 00:45.26 | dpkg | from memory, ok is not ok |
| 00:45.34 | kspath | hmm |
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| 00:45.52 | nceterval | I just upgraded from a fresh Sarge install to unstable, and when after logging on in KDM the X server just restarts, no matter what desktop I try to load. Any ideas? |
| 00:46.10 | kspath | !tell nceterval about unstable |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:46.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:46.56 | nceterval | kspath: ...thanks... how about ideas regarding solutions to this problem? |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | nceterval: look for error logs in $HOME and /var/log/ |
| 00:47.52 | nceterval | abrotman: Alright, how can I get to a terminal? KDM runs by default. Is there a key combo to end X? |
| 00:47.55 | kspath | nceterval: Could look at X logs also just for fun. |
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| 00:48.07 | kspath | nceterval: vtys |
| 00:48.24 | kspath | !vty |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | nceterval: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 00:48.24 | dpkg | We refer to com port 1 as ttyS0, terminal 1 as tty1. Similarly, cisco's terminology for "telnet session" is vty |
| 00:48.42 | kspath | sometimes people have to add shift to that |
| 00:48.53 | kspath | sometimes it is shift control alt F1 |
| 00:49.01 | nceterval | kspath: Shit, indeed |
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| 00:49.09 | nceterval | *shift |
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| 00:50.39 | nceterval | Not exactly sure what to look for, but I don't see any relevant logs in my home directory, the .kde subfolder, or /var/log. |
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| 00:51.42 | nceterval | Oops, I take it back, I found a kdm log. |
| 00:52.28 | stew | nceterval: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 00:52.34 | airzer0 | hey guys using ubuntu looking for help installing ati driver on toshiba notebook |
| 00:53.04 | nceterval | stew: Empty |
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| 00:53.08 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:53.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:55.00 | hazard_ | Question about autologin and inittab: |
| 00:56.04 | hazard_ | (other than logging in automatically to CLI), would changing the command for tty1 from respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -TO- respawn:/bin/login -f root break anything? |
| 00:56.11 | hazard_ | (other than force logging in as root?) |
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| 00:57.21 | hazard_ | anyone? |
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| 01:00.39 | Stormy | how do i manually install dhcpcd to a machine that doesn't have any net access due to dhclient not working ( for some reason dhclient and comcast doesn't work but dhcpcd does ) |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | give it a static ip/route ... |
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| 01:01.35 | Stormy | i don't get that option either |
| 01:01.56 | abrotman | yes you do |
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| 01:01.59 | Stormy | the router ignores me without authentication with the dhcp server |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | oh wait .. from comcast? |
| 01:02.01 | Stormy | yea |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | use a router :) |
| 01:02.05 | Stormy | don't have one |
| 01:02.08 | Stormy | the one i have is dead |
| 01:02.09 | abrotman | get a CD .. install it from the CD |
| 01:02.11 | hazard_ | Get one. |
| 01:02.14 | hazard_ | They're cheap. |
| 01:02.14 | Stormy | which cd is it on |
| 01:02.20 | Stormy | waste of money |
| 01:02.22 | hazard_ | And useful. |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | !which cd |
| 01:02.23 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:02.28 | Aap | hi, does anyone know a good reverse engineering tool for php for Linux? |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:02.29 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:02.33 | abrotman | Aap: ask #php |
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| 01:02.41 | Aap | i asked |
| 01:02.46 | Aap | noone knows there |
| 01:02.58 | Stormy | maybe that's a good sign you shouldn't use php |
| 01:03.03 | hazard_ | and the general channel...would? |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | Aap: so you ask here? |
| 01:03.25 | Aap | i can try, no? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | is it on debian? |
| 01:03.37 | Aap | i want it for Ubuntu |
| 01:03.47 | hazard_ | yea, but its annoying. |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | so ask #ubuntu |
| 01:04.28 | Supaplex | and if it's for debian, go ask #php |
| 01:04.41 | Aap | #php doesn't know |
| 01:04.45 | abrotman | then ask #ubuntu |
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| 01:04.51 | abrotman | it's not a Debian problem |
| 01:04.51 | Stormy | maybe you should be using perl instead |
| 01:04.52 | hazard_ | Question about autologin and inittab: |
| 01:04.52 | hazard_ | (other than logging in automatically to CLI), would changing the command for tty1 from respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -TO- respawn:/bin/login -f root break anything? (other than force logging in as root?) |
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| 01:05.29 | shogunx | Aap why do you have to reverse engineer it? the code is right there, and the language is not so complex anyway. |
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| 01:05.41 | abrotman | shogunx: maybe he can't code? |
| 01:05.43 | Stormy | shogunx they can compile php now |
| 01:05.58 | Stormy | into some form of byte code i guess |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | where's resiak with his obfuscated PHP |
| 01:06.03 | Supaplex | why not get the source |
| 01:06.15 | shogunx | Stormy thats dickheaded. |
| 01:06.29 | ogre | which pkg is it that i can set access to xserver to "console users only?" when i try running it as a user it tells me i'm unauthorized. |
| 01:06.35 | Stormy | shogunx i didn't write it, i'm dealing with sometime similar for another topic |
| 01:06.38 | Aap | shogunx: i have a lot of classes i want to convert to UML |
| 01:07.06 | Stormy | all i know is there's a php tool that my company needs and i guess it's compiled somehow |
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| 01:07.21 | abrotman | Aap: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | Aap: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | Aap: DO NOT ask #debian |
| 01:07.46 | Aap | i'm in #php and #debian and #ubuntu |
| 01:07.46 | Supaplex | if it's precompiled/obsificated php, someone is apparently trying to protect their I.P. unless the licence allows it, I'd stay away from tapering with it. |
| 01:07.56 | abrotman | Aap: stop asking here . it's not related to debian .. AT ALL |
| 01:08.10 | Stormy | i tell ya what |
| 01:08.13 | Stormy | go ask in #perl |
| 01:08.13 | x`y`-xy | fanc:/etc/postfix/ssl# telnet 192.168.2.2 25 |
| 01:08.14 | x`y`-xy | Trying 192.168.2.2... |
| 01:08.17 | Stormy | maybe they can help you |
| 01:08.21 | Aap | abrotman: i asked it 1 time here! |
| 01:08.23 | x`y`-xy | Connected to 192.168.2.2. |
| 01:08.23 | x`y`-xy | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 01:08.26 | cafuego | zend encoder obfuscates php, but disassembling that would violate the DMCA rh |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | Aap: no .. twice |
| 01:08.28 | abrotman | at least |
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| 01:08.35 | x`y`-xy | ia have a problem |
| 01:08.40 | x`y`-xy | a big one |
| 01:08.43 | abrotman | yeah .. you paste in the channel |
| 01:08.50 | Stormy | and your using telnet |
| 01:08.57 | marco13185 | g'night all |
| 01:09.08 | x`y`-xy | i am trying to conect at my server |
| 01:09.22 | Stormy | conect? |
| 01:09.27 | Stormy | i don't know what that is |
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| 01:09.41 | x`y`-xy | and i recive what i paste and this ......: 220 lanserv.ckl.services-reseau.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
| 01:09.52 | x`y`-xy | after all is freezing |
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| 01:10.03 | Stormy | quit trying to connect to SMTP |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | !tell x`y`-xy about smtp test |
| 01:10.19 | x`y`-xy | ok |
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| 01:10.25 | abrotman | Stormy: you're mean! |
| 01:10.25 | x`y`-xy | i wil make the test now |
| 01:10.31 | x`y`-xy | thanks |
| 01:10.34 | Stormy | abrotman only when i feel like it |
| 01:10.38 | flavetz | Good Evening (it's 10:08 pm here in Brazil) I have a question about mouse stability |
| 01:10.56 | ogre | When I try starting x as a normal user I get an unauthorized user error, which pkg is it that I can set it up for console users only? |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | did you get your mouse drunk? |
| 01:11.13 | Stormy | and you call me mean |
| 01:11.19 | ogre | no, but my ferrets love whisky |
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| 01:11.41 | Stormy | i tried giving the cats scotch |
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| 01:12.07 | ogre | my dog doesn't like beer, but she'll down irish cream... or rum... must be a pirate dog :) |
| 01:12.18 | OrTigaS | hi i have box here in a LAN which is other machine here is window box how can i access the linux box from window box? i already see the linux box from network but i cant access it |
| 01:12.36 | Stormy | use putty |
| 01:12.41 | Supaplex | cygwin |
| 01:12.42 | Stormy | search google for putty |
| 01:12.46 | Stormy | and enable ssh login |
| 01:12.46 | OrTigaS | no permission |
| 01:12.50 | Stormy | if you want X |
| 01:12.51 | OrTigaS | i already using putty |
| 01:13.05 | ogre | must be that silly stuff... |
| 01:13.07 | OrTigaS | but i want to access it thru window |
| 01:13.07 | Stormy | are you trying to login from a using? |
| 01:13.16 | Stormy | err |
| 01:13.16 | Supaplex | putty runs in a window. |
| 01:13.23 | Stormy | from a user |
| 01:13.47 | Stormy | then look into GDM/XDM/KDM and Winaxe or some variant |
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| 01:13.56 | Supaplex | OrTigaS: you want X apps to show up on your windows machine? like X tunneling or something? |
| 01:14.08 | Stormy | cygwin has something in it too that you can use |
| 01:14.12 | OrTigaS | how about if i want to transfer file to linux box from window box? |
| 01:14.19 | flavetz | When I click several times in a short period of time the mouse cursor gets crazy even in X or in console. uname -r is 2.6.15.1-k7 (debian etch) and the problem is recurrent since I used sarge in the last year in this hardware. |
| 01:14.20 | Stormy | setup samba |
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| 01:14.53 | Supaplex | flavetz: are you running gpm? |
| 01:14.55 | OrTigaS | my linux box is only in console no GUI |
| 01:15.08 | OrTigaS | i just access it thru putty |
| 01:15.14 | Supaplex | OrTigaS: you are confused. first you asked for a window, now you want files. which it is? |
| 01:15.15 | Stormy | then use samba |
| 01:15.34 | Supaplex | which is it* |
| 01:15.35 | ogre | i think he ment s/window/Windows/ |
| 01:15.40 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 01:15.41 | OrTigaS | its not |
| 01:15.47 | Supaplex | not what |
| 01:15.50 | Supaplex | what's it |
| 01:15.57 | Stormy | english that he speaks |
| 01:15.59 | flavetz | Supaplex: I don't know what gpm is. It is running (ps aux returned it) |
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| 01:16.10 | Stormy | kill gpm |
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| 01:16.15 | OrTigaS | i mean is if i'm in window machine i can transfer file to and from Linux box |
| 01:16.18 | Stormy | DIE! |
| 01:16.22 | Supaplex | flavetz: if you run gpm and X, you'll need to use it as a repeater only, or discontinue gpm. |
| 01:16.24 | ogre | it's in your face but you can't grab it... you want it all but you can't have it... what.is.it? what is it? </faithnomorequote> >.< |
| 01:16.32 | Stormy | OrTigaS for the last time SAMBA |
| 01:16.45 | Supaplex | !smack OrTigaS with samba |
| 01:16.51 | flavetz | Supaplex: I will kill gpm and see what happens. Thanks for now! |
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| 01:16.58 | OrTigaS | Stormy ok... and i think i already install samba |
| 01:17.08 | OrTigaS | :) |
| 01:17.13 | Supaplex | flavetz: if you don't use the console, you won't miss gpm. :) |
| 01:17.14 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:17.15 | Stormy | did you bother to turn it on? |
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| 01:18.24 | flavetz | Supaplex: Sorry about my mistake. gpm is *not* running. ps aux returned the "grep gpm". Sorry. gpm looks to not be the problem. |
| 01:18.47 | shogunx | Supaplex better to not use a mouse than not use a console. |
| 01:18.48 | abrotman | !gmp |
| 01:18.48 | dpkg | No, you fuck-wit, it's gpm. |
| 01:18.48 | Stormy | try psauxwww |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:18.54 | Talnakh_ | hi guys. quick question is there "file"utility in unix/linux. cause i have an amavis install that complains that it does not have it |
| 01:19.00 | Supaplex | flavetz: ahh. I'd check/reconfigure to make the correct mouse/protocol etc is in use. |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | Talnakh_: yes there is |
| 01:19.08 | liable | haha |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | !find bin/file$ sarge |
| 01:19.16 | ogre | When I do startx it echos "unauthorized user," what pkg do I use to set the permissions so I can start it as a base user? |
| 01:19.20 | Supaplex | !botsnack |
| 01:19.20 | dpkg | aw, gee, Supaplex |
| 01:19.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/file' (1): (/usr/bin/file) in utils/file. |
| 01:19.23 | abrotman | talisein: ^^ |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:19.28 | abrotman | Talnakh_: ^^ |
| 01:19.37 | liable | ogre: how did you get it into that state? |
| 01:19.37 | Talnakh_ | abrotman, checking ;-) |
| 01:19.47 | abrotman | no checking needed .. just install it :) |
| 01:19.48 | Supaplex | ogre: there's a config file somewhere. snoop around in /etc/X11 |
| 01:19.55 | abrotman | i'm actually shocked it's not there already |
| 01:19.57 | Supaplex | ogre: or google it :) |
| 01:19.59 | ogre | this is as close to a fresh install as I can get |
| 01:20.06 | shogunx | ogre /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 01:20.07 | ogre | hard to google via console :( |
| 01:20.13 | Supaplex | lynx! |
| 01:20.15 | ogre | thanks shogunx |
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| 01:20.19 | shogunx | ogre google renders fine in lynx. |
| 01:20.23 | Talnakh_ | abrotman, what the name of the package? |
| 01:20.29 | Stormy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.30 | ogre | hmm i'll have to give that a try then :) |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | Talnakh_: it tells you |
| 01:20.35 | liable | ogre: or Xsession.options |
| 01:20.35 | Supaplex | ogre: is this sid? |
| 01:20.40 | ogre | yeah sid |
| 01:20.53 | Stormy | what ever happened to nancy? |
| 01:20.57 | flavetz | Supaplex: I did it. reconfigure of xserver-xorg (and xfree86 when in sarge) and changed mouse protocols, ports, everything gave the same problem. The problem ocurred only in debian. I tryied another OSs in this hardware to check if the mouse hardware had problems and it worked ok. |
| 01:21.05 | Supaplex | ogre: maybe it's on bts. I've seen a few complain about it lately. |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | Stormy: do you really want to know? |
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| 01:21.10 | Stormy | not really |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | Stormy: i mean .. she was such a slimy girl :) |
| 01:21.15 | Stormy | i could see it now |
| 01:21.23 | Supaplex | flavetz: if you have the old configs, you can compare. |
| 01:21.26 | Talnakh_ | abrotman, damn, how stupid i am. apt-get install file |
| 01:21.29 | Stormy | that's such a nancy distro |
| 01:21.34 | liable | wtf is nancy? |
| 01:21.39 | Stormy | more like who |
| 01:21.46 | Ugly_Duck | ok, found out that i dont have drivers installed for my sound card, hence the reason i cant get my surround sound going |
| 01:21.46 | abrotman | Talnakh_: yes |
| 01:21.55 | Talnakh_ | abrotman, thanks mate |
| 01:21.56 | abrotman | liable: sid and nancy .. sex pistols .. |
| 01:21.57 | Stormy | or even more approately what |
| 01:22.02 | liable | oh |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | you know .. johny rotten .. sid vicious .. |
| 01:22.19 | Stormy | how do i "register" a cd into apt like the nice install script let me |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | apt-cdrom |
| 01:22.26 | Stormy | k |
| 01:22.34 | flavetz | Supaplex: what old configs are you typing about? |
| 01:22.58 | ogre | erm, so new problem. both Xsession.options and Xwrapper.config comeback as not installed >.< |
| 01:23.04 | Supaplex | flavetz: if you had them. your old ones. |
| 01:23.25 | Supaplex | I realise it's slim to none... |
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| 01:23.35 | flavetz | But I aways had problems with the mouse in this hardware when in debian. |
| 01:23.49 | Stormy | tried new hardware? |
| 01:24.12 | abrotman | tried a different protocol ? |
| 01:24.18 | flavetz | Stormy: apt-setup |
| 01:24.23 | ogre | sounds like a trip to the local computer shop might be in order... hmm sounds like fun even if you don't need anything :) |
| 01:24.24 | Supaplex | tried ham and cheese? |
| 01:24.26 | Stormy | tried a different harmond? |
| 01:24.31 | flavetz | abrotman: Yes, I tryied. |
| 01:25.13 | Ugly_Duck | i need to copy over my /boot/config* to /usr/src/linux correct if i wana import current settings? |
| 01:25.20 | shogunx | ogre echo "allowed_users=console" > /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config && echo "nice_value=-10" >> /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config && chmod 600 /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 01:25.26 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: make oldconfig |
| 01:25.27 | Stormy | Ugly_Duck try /proc/config.gz |
| 01:25.40 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: ahh, okies; thanks |
| 01:25.43 | liable | ogre: how did you install x? |
| 01:26.06 | jetscreamer | !curse abrotman |
| 01:26.06 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, abrotman! |
| 01:26.14 | jetscreamer | good one! |
| 01:26.23 | Stormy | HAHAHA |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | at least i'd have a job! |
| 01:26.26 | ogre | i installed xorg, then installed gnome-core |
| 01:26.28 | Stormy | and security |
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| 01:26.41 | abrotman | i mean .. yeah |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | job security |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | i have a job |
| 01:26.50 | shogunx | abrotman yeah, you don't even have to buy the chains that bind you to the desk! |
| 01:26.55 | Supaplex | what's to admin on an xp box anyway? - oh yea, tossing it in the BONFIRE! |
| 01:27.13 | Stormy | that's what your tech's are for |
| 01:27.16 | abrotman | Supaplex: spyware removal .. aka .. format c: :) |
| 01:27.16 | Stormy | you just issue the order |
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| 01:27.44 | Stormy | mmmhmmm |
| 01:27.47 | jetscreamer | no you just dd if=/backup.iso of=/dev/hda |
| 01:28.04 | Stormy | shunda dun that tu tha boy |
| 01:28.54 | flavetz | This mouse problem seems to be lose of sync. Is there any log file I can check to look for errors? |
| 01:29.39 | Supaplex | what type of mouse do you have anyway? |
| 01:29.47 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: wow, thats kinda kewl |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: eh? |
| 01:29.58 | flavetz | Supaplex: It's a Satellite Optical PS/2 |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:30.23 | dvs | eh? |
| 01:30.33 | Phated | eh? |
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| 01:30.39 | flavetz | Supaplex: if useful information, motherboard Asus A8V - Via chipset |
| 01:30.42 | ogre | w00t new error upon starting x! |
| 01:30.43 | r_marvin | eh, you'll get over it |
| 01:30.43 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: make oldconfig |
| 01:30.51 | Supaplex | flavetz: laptop? |
| 01:30.55 | eleckttruss | dvst, you are live? |
| 01:31.04 | flavetz | Supaplex: desktop. |
| 01:31.05 | dvs | eleckttruss: that imposter? |
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| 01:31.52 | jsan | my friends how i install java im my workstatios to my mozilla load sites in java ? |
| 01:32.04 | flavetz | Supaplex: it's an Athlon 64 but I'm running etch i386. The same problem occurs when in 64 bit kernel. |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | !tell jsan about java |
| 01:32.39 | dvst | eleckttruss, i do |
| 01:32.43 | Supaplex | flavetz: use a paster for your InputDevice section of the mouse in your X config |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | or read /topic |
| 01:32.48 | flavetz | jsan: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 01:33.09 | eleckttruss | dvst, now you are used gnome o kde? |
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| 01:34.23 | jetscreamer | you know, if i install a stock kernel, the bastid won't boot |
| 01:34.30 | flavetz | Section "InputDevice" |
| 01:34.31 | flavetz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.31 | flavetz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.31 | flavetz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.31 | flavetz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.31 | flavetz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.39 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 01:34.46 | jetscreamer | i see somebody doesn't know the meaning of paster |
| 01:34.53 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 01:34.53 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:34.53 | jetscreamer | !tell flavetz -about paste |
| 01:34.56 | eleckttruss | who used sid? |
| 01:35.01 | jetscreamer | nobody |
| 01:35.06 | abrotman | crazy people |
| 01:35.08 | jetscreamer | sid is vewy scawy |
| 01:35.12 | jetscreamer | scawee |
| 01:35.15 | Supaplex | eleckttruss: unstable people. |
| 01:35.16 | jetscreamer | scahwee |
| 01:35.16 | abrotman | i mean .. like totally stupid crazy people |
| 01:35.29 | liable | jetscreamer: we get the idea :) |
| 01:35.32 | jetscreamer | sid is worse than experimental |
| 01:35.39 | Supaplex | heh |
| 01:35.47 | pzn | I upgraded my unstable to 2.6.16-1-686 and X does not find mouse at /dev/input/mice anymore. where is mouse now? this device does not exists anymore |
| 01:36.01 | Supaplex | flavetz: fwiw, it's identical to mine. |
| 01:36.07 | Kinks | sid is good if you can and want to contribute to improving it |
| 01:36.10 | Supaplex | !btssmite pzn |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | pzn: modprobe mousedev |
| 01:36.15 | eleckttruss | Supaplex, can you give me a experimental and unstable sources.list? |
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| 01:36.29 | jetscreamer | !tell eleckttruss -about apt-spy |
| 01:36.30 | Supaplex | eleckttruss: file:/dev/urandom |
| 01:37.22 | eleckttruss | Supaplex, i dont understand |
| 01:37.27 | jetscreamer | !apt-listbugs |
| 01:37.28 | dpkg | i heard apt-listbugs is a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 01:37.33 | liable | eleckttruss: uh, if you dont know what to add to sources, you should seriously consider not using it |
| 01:37.43 | eleckttruss | XD |
| 01:37.50 | Supaplex | you have to be certifiable to use sid |
| 01:37.50 | eleckttruss | i like this people! |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:37.58 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | where'd the sid is for smarties thing go? |
| 01:38.41 | liable | if people didnt use sid, etch users would get all the bugs |
| 01:38.49 | abrotman | wait .... |
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| 01:39.07 | flavetz | Supaplex: I really don't think it's a Xorg problem since it happens when out of X. |
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| 01:40.28 | Ugly_Duck | any good howto's on installing nvidia drivers? i belive there are source drivers without having to install the nvidia.run file |
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| 01:40.54 | Supaplex | flavetz: how does it happen when out of X? |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 01:41.08 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 01:41.14 | abrotman | !tell Ugly_Duck about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:41.41 | Ugly_Duck | awsome, thanks |
| 01:41.53 | shogunx | Supaplex certifiable as what? |
| 01:41.56 | ogre | When I try to startx it's comming up with a mouse error, it's looking for a serial mouse but I have a USB mouse. I set it up in xorg.config to use my explorer mouse, but it seems to be retarded. |
| 01:42.12 | flavetz | Supaplex: It's exactly the same behavior. Several clicks (about 4) in less than a second and the cursor starts to move and click around randomically. |
| 01:42.35 | pzn | abrotman, mousedev is already loaded. when I plug the usb mouse, it says "input: USB mouse as /class/input/input2". does this gives a hint? |
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| 01:42.54 | Supaplex | flavetz: in what? if it's not running X and you have this problem, what is it? xdm or something (that's still X anyway...) |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | pzn: ls -l /dev/input/* |
| 01:43.33 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: just to clarify things, the config i imported was the standard kernel from the install, i went through make menuconfig, the modules should already be selected from my previous .config correct, so i just add what ever new modules i need? and take out the ones i dont need |
| 01:43.36 | pzn | abrotman, there is no /dev/input directory... |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | pzn: is there a /dev/psaux ? |
| 01:44.07 | liable | ogre: whats the mouse line in xorg.conf? |
| 01:44.10 | Supaplex | Ugly_Duck: make oldconfig will ask you new questions, based on your older kernel config. |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: uhm .. if i understand you .. i think |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: or ask #kernel |
| 01:44.24 | abrotman | !tell Ugly_Duck about kp |
| 01:44.28 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:44.36 | flavetz | Supaplex: I loaded some kind of mouse driver for console once (maybe gdm as you told, I don't remember) and the problem ocurred under aptitude. |
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| 01:45.43 | flavetz | Supaplex: I did it exactly to know if there was a problem in X |
| 01:45.52 | Supaplex | flavetz: install lsof, and | grep mouse - how many programs are trying to access the same mouse device? (paste it online if you'd like) |
| 01:46.16 | Supaplex | nm that |
| 01:47.03 | flavetz | Supaplex: it returns a single line: Xorg 6231 root mem REG 8,1 41212 1157171 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.so |
| 01:47.10 | Supaplex | flavetz: my sudo lsof | grep psaux returns gpm 4205 root 0u CHR 10,1 1982 /dev/psaux |
| 01:47.20 | Supaplex | and since I know X feeds off it's repeater, it's ok... |
| 01:47.29 | pzn | abrotman, yes, it is working ok as /dev/psaux... strange... both mouses are USB |
| 01:47.57 | Supaplex | flavetz, try psaux (don't paste more then a single line here...) |
| 01:48.14 | Supaplex | eg, sudo lsof | grep psaux |
| 01:48.19 | ogre | liable: "Identifier: Configured Mouse" |
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| 01:48.46 | ogre | liable: Driver "mouse" |
| 01:48.50 | flavetz | Supaplex: the comand returned nothing. |
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| 01:49.37 | ogre | not sure if that's exactly what you wanted to know or not... |
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| 01:49.58 | abrotman | i have an idea ... |
| 01:50.06 | dvs | uh oh |
| 01:50.08 | Supaplex | flavetz: grep dev /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | let's make eggs! |
| 01:50.23 | ogre | you make the eggs, i'll start the toast |
| 01:50.24 | Supaplex | !idea |
| 01:50.25 | dpkg | [idea] meaning you don't know. |
| 01:50.33 | liable | ogre: the protocol line |
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| 01:50.56 | ogre | liable: Protocol line == "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 01:51.24 | liable | ogre: and dev? |
| 01:51.33 | Supaplex | flavetz: replace the file with your X config file if it differs :) |
| 01:51.34 | flavetz | Supaplex: I did grep in the xorg.conf. It returns Load "evdev" and Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 01:51.40 | ogre | liable: /dev/input/mice |
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| 01:52.06 | Supaplex | flavetz: ok, lsof /dev/input/mice |
| 01:52.12 | liable | ogre: hrmph, paste the error (on a paster if more than two lines) |
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| 01:52.49 | Supaplex | is /dev/input/mice a literal device node? |
| 01:52.57 | flavetz | Supaplex: Xorg 6231 root 11u CHR 13,63 8761 /dev/input/mice |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | as opposed to .. a magic node? |
| 01:53.02 | Supaplex | looks like it. humm. |
| 01:53.05 | ogre | liable: when i do "startx" the error is xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/imput/mice no such device |
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| 01:53.10 | Supaplex | a logical one, as in autodetection |
| 01:53.33 | liable | ogre: and does it exist? |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | it's a magic node! |
| 01:53.41 | ogre | yeah, it's there |
| 01:53.52 | flavetz | Supaplex: yes it is. |
| 01:54.00 | jetscreamer | yo ho ho it's maaagic! |
| 01:54.08 | liable | ogre: did you just paste that output or type it? |
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| 01:54.29 | sandman | Is there a contrib package like java-package that aids in the installation of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel? |
| 01:54.36 | ogre | typed it, wrote it down verbatim to a piece of paper, then typed it |
| 01:54.44 | typewriter | i have 2 servers, one is my mail server, the other isn't but i still want to get logs and root msgs off that server |
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| 01:54.51 | typewriter | do i still need to setup an MTA on it? |
| 01:54.55 | liable | ogre: good, cause you spelled input with a m :) |
| 01:55.03 | ogre | doh! |
| 01:55.05 | jetscreamer | sandman: not afaik |
| 01:55.27 | Supaplex | flavetz: well, you don't have multiple processes competing for it. that's good. the only other ideas I have, is to try a variant of the imps/2 protocol. or, use gpm's repeater and try gpm's test facility. I need to get out of the office before it eats me alive. :) best of luck. |
| 01:55.30 | ogre | well if the error had an M in it, I'd have a hunch where the problem was haha |
| 01:55.37 | Ferret | Mmm, whisky. |
| 01:55.46 | liable | yep |
| 01:56.02 | liable | jamesons? |
| 01:56.06 | flavetz | Supaplex: Thanks a lot, I'll investigate some more. |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | at least your PSU is running! |
| 01:56.39 | Ferret | Wireless PDAs |
| 01:56.56 | ogre | I knew I shouldn't have taken them to bestbuy with me :/ |
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| 01:57.47 | liable | ogre: you on the box atm? |
| 01:57.56 | shogunx | typewriter you should be able to do that with syslog |
| 01:57.56 | ogre | yeah, running BitchX via console |
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| 01:58.04 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:58.31 | liable | ogre: tail the log and put it #flood |
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| 01:58.37 | ogre | k |
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| 02:00.02 | flavetz | good night for everyone. |
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| 02:00.10 | typewriter | syslong can mail things? |
| 02:00.15 | ogre | how do i copy and paste in console? >.< |
| 02:00.16 | typewriter | because i dont have any MTA on my system |
| 02:00.26 | abrotman | dvs: did you make eggs? |
| 02:00.32 | dvs | abrotman: no. why? |
| 02:00.41 | liable | ogre: exec -o tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:00.49 | liable | ogre: whilst in #flood |
| 02:00.49 | ogre | ah kewlio thanks ^_^ |
| 02:00.58 | jetscreamer | not in here yeah |
| 02:01.02 | jetscreamer | #flood |
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| 02:01.49 | shogunx | typewriter your mail server can read the syslog output from the other one, nad mail it, if necessary. |
| 02:01.49 | abrotman | i heard we're supposed to use #gentoo for flooding .. #flood is closed for maintenance |
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| 02:02.25 | liable | haha |
| 02:02.42 | Ronin | abrotman: its #ubuntu not gentoo ;) |
| 02:02.54 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:05.02 | eleckttruss | apt-spy -d [testing,unstable,experimental] |
| 02:05.02 | eleckttruss | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | oh god |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | who suggested that?? |
| 02:05.40 | abrotman | !abuse jetscreamer |
| 02:06.33 | liable | ogre: and you said mosedev was loaded? |
| 02:06.48 | ogre | mousedev yes |
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| 02:08.16 | abrotman | why would anyone come in here with the nick sid/unstable/sarge/stable ... etc |
| 02:08.30 | ogre | must be a sex pistols fan :/ |
| 02:08.40 | dvs | ogre: that vicious! |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | ogre: doubtful |
| 02:08.46 | jetscreamer | ogre: try psmouse just for the heck of it |
| 02:08.50 | jetscreamer | modprobe i mean |
| 02:09.10 | ogre | erm k |
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| 02:09.24 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 02:09.29 | jetscreamer | if it's not a usb mouse |
| 02:09.50 | jetscreamer | what kind of mouse is it |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | a dead one? |
| 02:10.02 | jetscreamer | i see no cat |
| 02:10.11 | abrotman | the PP got him to leave |
| 02:10.12 | akusarujin | is there a convenient way to make apt fetch a previous version of a package, i.e. not the latest |
| 02:10.15 | ogre | USB mouse >.< |
| 02:10.26 | jetscreamer | ah then nm about the psmouse |
| 02:10.30 | ogre | Microsoft intellimouse 5.something |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | akusarujin: for sarge or what? |
| 02:10.42 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'm a goat girl |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | ogre: 5.11 Mouse for Workgroups ? |
| 02:10.45 | jetscreamer | ahh did you try the explorer protocol? |
| 02:10.49 | akusarujin | etch, i need to fetch a previous release of a single package |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you have a beard? |
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| 02:11.09 | scarynetworkguy | And eat tin cans! |
| 02:11.11 | abrotman | akusarujin: snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:11.14 | ogre | abrotman: don't think so... just the intellemouse with the sideways scrolling feature |
| 02:11.23 | ogre | jetscreamer: tried that, no go |
| 02:11.53 | jetscreamer | ogre http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse6.html#28 |
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| 02:12.03 | unix_infidel | l ogre that all scrollie mice have the sideways scroll feature ... |
| 02:12.08 | unix_infidel | yikes, sorry. |
| 02:12.11 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 02:12.15 | jetscreamer | evil! |
| 02:12.18 | ogre | flooder! |
| 02:12.21 | abrotman | infidel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:12.33 | unix_infidel | rawr. i need to disable middle click. |
| 02:12.34 | ogre | this has the side scrolly feature on the wheel part |
| 02:12.53 | jetscreamer | ogre: is the usbhid module loaded? or the usb modules? |
| 02:12.54 | liable | my mouse doesnt go sideways :( |
| 02:12.58 | ogre | jetscreamer: I'm new to this whole using console for websites... |
| 02:13.04 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:13.06 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 02:13.11 | jetscreamer | least it's text |
| 02:13.15 | ogre | hell new to this whole linux thing hehe :X |
| 02:13.20 | liable | ogre: links2 -g |
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| 02:13.39 | ogre | damn dog... brb can't hold her bladder >.< |
| 02:14.14 | jetscreamer | hey is 'auto' an option when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? i can't swear i've ever seen it in the mouse config portion |
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| 02:15.02 | typewriter | is tripwire now free, GPL, ? |
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| 02:15.33 | ogre | liable: tried "links2 -g" says command not found? |
| 02:15.44 | liable | !installit |
| 02:15.45 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 02:15.59 | ogre | :) |
| 02:16.08 | ogre | wasn't sure if that was the app name or not |
| 02:16.27 | intx | is there anyway to unload all modules loaded? |
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| 02:16.51 | eleckttruss | . |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | intx: isn't your keyboard working via a module ? |
| 02:17.04 | intx | no it's compiled in |
| 02:17.15 | ogre | links2 returns error |
| 02:17.19 | intx | but thanks for the warning, would've been really bad if it wasn't |
| 02:17.20 | whatever_ | hm, I'm trying to create a totally stripped down box that does nothing but boot and play music from a plugged in USB device. I can't figure out what the best command line player to use is. it seems like my options are music123 or mpd with mpc front end? any other suggestions/ideas? |
| 02:17.42 | dererk | dpkg, lart jetscreamer |
| 02:17.45 | dererk | :P |
| 02:18.07 | abrotman | whatever_: try them both |
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| 02:18.57 | whatever_ | abrotman: well, I'm hoping someone already has experience with this so I could save pain of trial and error. :) |
| 02:18.59 | liable | whatever_: wouldnt it be easier to buy an ipod? :P |
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| 02:19.10 | liable | whatever_: i like cplay |
| 02:19.34 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice dererk |
| 02:19.49 | whatever_ | liable: lol, I resist conformity to that crap! besides, I can just plug my usb pen into any computer and load stuff on to it, then take it with me and pop it into my car box.... auto play. cplay you say? hmm. |
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| 02:20.08 | dererk | jetscreamer, :0 |
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| 02:20.35 | mfrisch | any new on when amd-64 isn |
| 02:20.46 | mfrisch | 't going to be borked? |
| 02:21.01 | chealer9 | mfrisch: ys |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | ask #debian-amd64 ? |
| 02:21.02 | ogre | links2 gave me the error "opening '/dev/fb0' failed" |
| 02:21.11 | whatever_ | mfrisch: ....borked? |
| 02:21.16 | mfrisch | oh well |
| 02:21.52 | intx | is there any way to remove all my modules (aside from rebooting)? |
| 02:21.58 | mfrisch | whatever_: yes I could not finish an install and unstable was uninstallable. borked |
| 02:22.08 | liable | ogre: you need framebuffer loaded |
| 02:22.11 | intx | or at least remove all the modules that are listed in the first parameter of lsmod? |
| 02:22.15 | ogre | ah, humph |
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| 02:22.46 | whatever_ | mfrisch: use an older install version? |
| 02:23.20 | mfrisch | whatever_: well is there still a sarge version? I used that testing netinstall |
| 02:23.25 | ogre | ok, reconfigured xorg to use framebuffer, and still the /dev/fb0 error |
| 02:24.15 | whatever_ | mfrisch: well, I know theres been older versions of the installer that work, because I've had it installed for the past ....two years now. |
| 02:24.20 | liable | ogre: nothing to do with xorg, framebuffer kernel module |
| 02:24.28 | Ugly_Duck | whats the app you use to tell what program is using what file so you can kill it? |
| 02:24.30 | ogre | damn :/ |
| 02:24.34 | whatever_ | mfrisch: there should be an archive of older versions |
| 02:24.56 | Ugly_Duck | i.e. to umount a cd, but if some thing is using it, it wont umount etc |
| 02:25.21 | mfrisch | whatever_: I have backups that work. hhm ;-( |
| 02:25.23 | whatever_ | liable: hm, seems like cplay just binds several players together? |
| 02:25.41 | liable | whatever_: its a front end, yeah. you need mpg123/321 or something |
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| 02:25.50 | whatever_ | mfrisch: well, uh, why use a newer installer? it dosen't matter what one you use, the OS installs from the latest packages anyways |
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| 02:26.12 | whatever_ | liable: right, right, and python too. I'm looking for something uber simple, thats still maintained. |
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| 02:27.14 | mfrisch | whatever_: that is kinda my point its the updates that are preventing me from a new install. |
| 02:27.58 | whatever_ | mfrisch: ehhh??? its not connecting to the apt server? |
| 02:28.02 | liable | ogre: try modprobe vfb |
| 02:28.09 | ogre | k |
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| 02:28.31 | liable | ogre: or whatever your card is, its framebuffer module |
| 02:28.46 | ogre | nvidia card... |
| 02:28.50 | backz | where I find the default amavisd-news configuration file on my system ? |
| 02:29.30 | mfrisch | whatever_: no things are installing because of dependencies etc. in testing. oh well wait and see. |
| 02:29.44 | liable | ogre: nvidiafb |
| 02:29.49 | timlarson | having trouble trying to print from samba+cups to win xp home...errorr is "Can not get the ticket cache for root" |
| 02:30.07 | whatever_ | mfrisch: oh, I see. thats weird. what server are you connecting to? |
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| 02:30.57 | timlarson | I found the ubuntu fix here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/39484 |
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| 02:31.06 | ogre | cannot locate nvidiafb |
| 02:31.09 | timlarson | is there a debian-friendly fix in the wild? |
| 02:31.10 | mfrisch | whatever_: mit's I could not install 2000 of the 3500 packages I wanted for a desktop. |
| 02:31.24 | ogre | i'm looking through the module folder and don't see one for the NV driver i'm "using" |
| 02:31.29 | whatever_ | mfrisch: hold on, I'll give you the server I use |
| 02:32.07 | whatever_ | well, heres my line at least: |
| 02:32.10 | whatever_ | deb http://82.195.75.75/debian-pure64/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 02:32.10 | sandman | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/installwatch.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:32.48 | mfrisch | whatever_: thats really old isnt't ? |
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| 02:32.50 | whatever_ | I used to use the gcc4 version, but like..... I think that went to hell. |
| 02:33.00 | whatever_ | mfrisch: .....old? |
| 02:33.09 | foo | Err, I can't get movie trailers to play from apple.com ... any ideas?> I have quicktime-utils, w32codecs, and mozilla-mplayer. |
| 02:33.49 | whatever_ | mfrisch: its like, the main server as far as I'm aware |
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| 02:34.17 | mfrisch | whatever_: thats not like the urls I got from the netinstall...no debian-pure64. I thought they changed that? |
| 02:34.20 | whatever_ | lets see, apt version is .6.43.3 whats the latest? |
| 02:35.00 | liable | ogre: out of interest, what kernel so you have? |
| 02:35.11 | liable | !info apt |
| 02:35.15 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.44 (sid), Packaged size: 1296 kB, Installed size: 3980 kB |
| 02:35.21 | whatever_ | mfrisch: well I havn't kept up on the boards lately, but I get package updates practically every day, or several times a week |
| 02:35.23 | whatever_ | liable: ty |
| 02:35.27 | ogre | i installed 2.6.16, but when I boot up only 2.4.## shows up :/ so 2.4 |
| 02:36.10 | liable | ogre: right, get into the 2.6 one, re-install it. make sure udev is installed |
| 02:36.12 | mfrisch | whatever_: well thanks I am dieing without my debian box! |
| 02:36.18 | ogre | k |
| 02:36.25 | whatever_ | mfrisch: hm, it will work for you. |
| 02:36.37 | liable | ogre: grub or lilo? |
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| 02:37.51 | timlarson | is there a fix for samba printing to a windows box for up-to-date debian testing? |
| 02:38.23 | whatever_ | timlarson: ...check with samba? |
| 02:38.28 | liable | timlarson: the ubuntu fix doesnt help? |
| 02:38.39 | hazard__ | will debian work with a USB keyboard? |
| 02:38.46 | whatever_ | hazard__: of course |
| 02:38.52 | ogre | grub |
| 02:38.52 | timlarson | If there is no debian-specific fix, then I will try the ubuntu one. |
| 02:39.18 | hazard__ | hmmm....maybe its just the system's USB then... |
| 02:39.20 | liable | ogre: ok |
| 02:39.30 | ogre | hmmm |
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| 02:39.52 | whatever_ | hazard__: bios has to support it too I think? I would assume it would work as soon as the kernel loads the module |
| 02:40.11 | whatever_ | hazard__: unless bios allows usb keyboard by default |
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| 02:40.52 | hazard__ | The bios works with it, and windows works with it, but Debian just complains about "power overload (or maybe its overdraw)" repeatdly |
| 02:41.01 | whatever_ | o.O |
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| 02:41.32 | ogre | "Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/source. However, I cannot read the target: No such file or directory Therefore I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/source" |
| 02:41.41 | hazard__ | Yea, its not really important at the moment, since I can't test the system with the actual problem right now |
| 02:41.41 | liable | ogre: ignore |
| 02:41.59 | ogre | k |
| 02:42.00 | whatever_ | hazard__: um, is that WITH it plugged in at boot time? or plugged in after boot? |
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| 02:42.19 | hazard__ | Either way. |
| 02:42.21 | ogre | so i should be good to go and be able to boot into the new kernel correct? |
| 02:42.24 | hazard__ | Same with mice. |
| 02:42.38 | liable | ogre: did it say it updated menu.lst and all was good? |
| 02:42.44 | hazard__ | BUT, it detects flash drives fine (though I don't know how exactly to mount them) |
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| 02:42.52 | whatever_ | hazard__: thats GOT to be hardware related. my usb mouse works great |
| 02:42.57 | jetscreamer | mis this usual with stock kernels? |
| 02:43.01 | ogre | er... no |
| 02:43.01 | jetscreamer | Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-k7/source. However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory. Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-k7/source. |
| 02:43.04 | jetscreamer | s/mis/is/ |
| 02:43.11 | hazard__ | on, a completely unrelated note, at what point is the "HOSTNAME" bash var set during bootup (and what sets it?) |
| 02:43.19 | whatever_ | hazard__: 1.1 board? 2.0 board? |
| 02:43.34 | hazard__ | 1.1 builtin on a 1ghz celeron |
| 02:43.44 | whatever_ | hazard__: /etc/hostname :) |
| 02:44.13 | jetscreamer | OK I INSTALLED A stock kernel just to watch it bork out. |
| 02:44.14 | hazard__ | I figured that out, but when I set the hostname post-boot with "hostname" it dosen't change the env varible $HOSTNAME |
| 02:44.35 | ogre | "Running depmod." "Finding valid ramdisk creators." "Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk" then spit me to a command input spot |
| 02:44.39 | hazard__ | (this is on a bootable CD, so a fixed hostname isn't really a good idea, since it WILL be running on multiple machines at the same time) |
| 02:45.05 | whatever_ | hazard__: did you try setting it with /bin/hostname ? |
| 02:45.14 | whatever_ | hazard__: oh, hm. |
| 02:45.57 | hazard__ | right now there's a script in /etc/init.d/hostname.sh (or something like that), which sets the machine to [name].processorsetpping.processorname |
| 02:46.21 | hazard__ | which works, but I want to add the last 3 digits of the IP to that, however, ifconfig hasn't loaded when hostname.sh is run |
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| 02:46.29 | whatever_ | hazard__: I havn't done much, if at all, with scripting. thats out of my league |
| 02:46.53 | liable | ogre: this is why using sid when you are still learning is not much fun :) |
| 02:47.12 | ogre | i learn the best this way :) |
| 02:47.27 | sandman | Does the opensource nv driver support 3d acceleration now? |
| 02:47.28 | hazard__ | I can handle the scripting, but I don't understand the boot order, or why exactly setting the hostname dosen't change any of the other vars |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | sandman: maybe on some cards |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | sandman: check at x.org |
| 02:47.42 | hazard__ | sandman: I'm pretty sure it dosen't yet |
| 02:47.49 | chealer9 | sandman: no |
| 02:47.49 | Ugly_Duck | how do i detect what file is keeping me from umounting a mount? |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | chealer9: not even old riva cards? |
| 02:48.00 | sandman | Thanks |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: fuser/lsof |
| 02:48.14 | Ugly_Duck | thanks |
| 02:48.23 | hazard__ | is the file /etc/hostname important? |
| 02:48.27 | whatever | hazard__: other variables, like DNS resolution are stored in /etc/hosts and /etc/host.conf |
| 02:48.29 | chealer9 | abrotman: not AFAIK. " |
| 02:48.30 | chealer9 | The driver supports 2D acceleration and provides support for the |
| 02:48.30 | chealer9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:48.32 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:48.38 | chealer9 | sorry |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | chealer9: i thought it did |
| 02:48.43 | whatever | hazard__: /etc/hostname stores the hostname |
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| 02:49.15 | hazard__ | but the script I have in /etc/init.d/hostname.sh sets the hostname at boot time (I seem to recall that before it just loaded /etc/hostname, but I can't quite remember) |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | chealer9: those cards really do suck :) |
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| 02:49.37 | whatever | hazard__: you asked what it did. :P I told you |
| 02:49.46 | hazard__ | bah, I suppose. |
| 02:49.46 | chealer9 | abrotman: the manpage doesn't give any obvious confirmation, but if you find it does, tell me |
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| 02:50.05 | abrotman | chealer9: i'm going to say it doesn't .. based on the way other driver man pages read |
| 02:50.34 | powder | hello all. i just installed sid, but now when i shut down or reboot i can't see any text, just a blank screen... is that normal? |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | chealer9: thanks i'll stick to my crummy intel card :) |
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| 02:50.42 | QmS | ...back |
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| 02:50.56 | abrotman | thank goodness .. chealer9 was crying |
| 02:51.01 | QmS | I have a quick and dirty question for someone about the 2.6 kernel and top |
| 02:51.11 | chealer9 | QmS: hi! |
| 02:51.12 | hazard__ | eww...its so dirty.... |
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| 02:51.40 | hazard__ | I like using VPC to test things, with debian, but it makes my laptop...painfully...warm.... |
| 02:51.44 | QmS | Cpu(s): 9.2% us, 2.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 88.4% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.4% si <-- wus = user, sy = system, ni = niced, id = idle, what are wa, hi, and si? |
| 02:51.48 | chealer9 | abrotman: you have an integrated graphics Intel? pleazzz! my card is red with watercooling and modding |
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| 02:51.57 | abrotman | chealer9: it's a laptop :) |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | waiting |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | high |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | sidling |
| 02:52.27 | chealer9 | abrotman: hum, yeah, I'm not sure that card is worth the whole laptop |
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| 02:52.28 | QmS | and in englisg that means? |
| 02:52.30 | abrotman | i hate it when 5% of my processes are getting high |
| 02:52.36 | whatever | lol |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | QmS: doesn't the man page for top say ? |
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| 02:52.45 | QmS | abrotman: no |
| 02:53.11 | foo | Is anyone able to watch the trailers via apple.com on their debian box with firefox? |
| 02:53.28 | whatever | crap. why the bloody hell did I pack all my equipment away. now I've got to dig it all back out again. -=sigh=- I ALWAYS do this! ..... |
| 02:53.39 | hazard__ | HAHA!, the /etc/hostname file IS completely useless to me. |
| 02:53.43 | QmS | and what does it mean when one's cpu has like 80% "high"? |
| 02:53.56 | hazard__ | (since I'm not reading it anymore) |
| 02:54.01 | whatever | QmS: you've got a box full of stoners? |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | QmS: i was joking |
| 02:54.06 | stoned | hey man |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | that's almost QOTD worthy |
| 02:54.21 | QmS | whatever: stoners? |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:54.25 | dpkg | well, qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 02:54.25 | whatever | lol |
| 02:55.06 | whatever | QmS: .... stoners..... brain dead people who sit around getting high all day |
| 02:55.26 | QmS | .....yeah |
| 02:55.28 | QmS | funny :) |
| 02:55.38 | QmS | seriously....what does a bunch of hi usage mean? |
| 02:55.59 | whatever | QmS: dude, abrotman suggested reading the man pages for top, no? |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | whatever: it doesn't say anyhting about it |
| 02:56.18 | whatever | oh. :X |
| 02:56.19 | hazard__ | I don't even see what he's talking about |
| 02:56.26 | QmS | http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/PerformanceTuning |
| 02:56.30 | whatever | I see it |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | QmS: see .. google knows! |
| 02:57.01 | whatever | QmS: nice, thanks. |
| 02:57.24 | QmS | i still have 90% hi when i do an MD5sum on a file that is on a CD |
| 02:57.29 | QmS | i am guessing that can't be good |
| 02:57.37 | whatever | I think whats really freaky is if you really do have the system waiting for IO's.... you said you were at 80%? holy crap, are you using a 5.25 inch floppy drive for root? |
| 02:57.37 | Tarka | Has something changed in latest apt in unstable? It's started downloading DiffIndex files and I'm getting verification errors. |
| 02:58.14 | QmS | noething weird in kern.log |
| 02:58.37 | QmS | i hate to say it.... |
| 02:58.41 | QmS | but....*gasp* |
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| 02:58.45 | QmS | maybe a reboot will fix it |
| 02:59.07 | jetscreamer | yes of course the stock kernel borked out |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | QmS: it's probably the IO for the cd drive |
| 02:59.16 | whatever | QmS: well, if its based on waiting for IO's to complete, reboot won't fix that |
| 02:59.21 | QmS | abrotman: it's never done that before |
| 02:59.29 | QmS | burning a CD brings my system to it's KNEEES |
| 02:59.31 | whatever | QmS: it means its waiting for the IO to finish before it can continue |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | QmS: crappy drive! |
| 02:59.38 | QmS | and this is an Athlon XP 2100+ |
| 02:59.41 | hazard__ | is hostname anywhere under /proc? |
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| 03:00.07 | whatever | QmS: it could also be in relation to total cpu load. so 80% of cpu load is waiting for IO's to complete. (yay for multi-threading) |
| 03:00.24 | whatever | QmS: try loading up other things and see if wa goes down |
| 03:00.49 | vilemaxim | Is there a way to change the mbstring.func_overload for only 1 file running php5 in cgi mode? |
| 03:01.06 | abrotman | try copying the file to your HDD .. see if the hi goes up .. then try to do an md5 on the HDD .. does hi go up ? |
| 03:02.08 | whatever | abrotman: in this usage, what are interrupts reffering to? |
| 03:02.14 | QmS | i figured it out... |
| 03:02.18 | QmS | silly thing really |
| 03:02.26 | whatever | ? |
| 03:02.30 | QmS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | whatever: like when you're having sex and your mom walks in .. |
| 03:02.38 | QmS | so....hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc |
| 03:02.41 | whatever | abrotman: :P |
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| 03:03.04 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 03:03.04 | dpkg | i heard tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 03:03.12 | hazard__ | eww...no DMA... |
| 03:03.22 | hazard__ | pio only modes are gross |
| 03:03.26 | whatever | QmS: still, I wonder how it comes up with 80%. if thats based upon cpu load or what. |
| 03:03.30 | QmS | so.....if someone has a lot of hi when usiong a hardware device |
| 03:03.33 | QmS | have them check DMA |
| 03:03.42 | abrotman | whatever: probably processes waiting for the interrupt to clear |
| 03:03.44 | QmS | whatever: without DMA on one must rely on PIO |
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| 03:03.52 | QmS | and PIO means the processor does the IO ops |
| 03:04.03 | QmS | instead of the IDE controller |
| 03:04.14 | whatever | QmS: uh, I know that. |
| 03:04.14 | hazard__ | no, instead of the DMA controller |
| 03:04.26 | QmS | anyhow... |
| 03:04.33 | QmS | enabling DMA or re-enabling fixed it |
| 03:04.39 | QmS | ttfn |
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| 03:04.42 | whatever | QmS: but with what you're saying, that wouldn't make sense. :P |
| 03:04.52 | hazard__ | no it does |
| 03:05.08 | whatever | hi wouldn't go up |
| 03:05.08 | hazard__ | why? |
| 03:05.10 | whatever | if the harddrive was in pio |
| 03:05.19 | whatever | wa would go up |
| 03:05.35 | hazard__ | CPU intensive task + accessing PIO only device = lotsa usage |
| 03:06.04 | whatever | right, but it would act the same as the CD-drive did, and boost wa, since its hanging on IO throughput |
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| 03:06.16 | whatever | hi would go up based on multiple requests |
| 03:06.29 | hazard__ | whatever: whatever |
| 03:06.32 | whatever | lol |
| 03:06.37 | hazard__ | :) |
| 03:06.52 | ddfire | hi, how i can get the video card info ???? l |
| 03:06.52 | sandman | I can't compile the nvidia driver.. |
| 03:07.09 | hazard__ | me = tired, and annoyed since I can't figure out what sets $HOSTNAME |
| 03:07.09 | cheal | !tell ddfire about ep |
| 03:07.11 | sandman | I get an error about: os_agp.c |
| 03:07.14 | cheal | ddfire: which info? |
| 03:07.28 | whatever | its like .....5 applcations requesting disk access = hi goes up. a slow channel = wa to go up (probably multiple requests as well?) |
| 03:07.36 | sandman | /tmp/selfgz7199/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1/usr/src/nv/os-agp.c:265: erro r: request for member 'allocate_memory' in something not a structure or unio n |
| 03:07.37 | whatever | hazard__: : / bummer dude |
| 03:07.54 | hazard__ | I've figured out several diffrent ways to set the system hostname |
| 03:08.01 | abrotman | sandman: ask #nvidia ? |
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| 03:08.15 | ddfire | cheal, like model or deviceid anything so i can know wich dirve use |
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| 03:08.29 | hazard__ | (using the 'hostname' command itself, and echoing the hostname to /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
| 03:08.33 | ddfire | !tell about ep |
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| 03:08.40 | hazard__ | but I can't figure out what sets $HOSTNAME) |
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| 03:08.46 | whatever | lol, I have to go, I can't focus on one thing and get it done with everything buzzing about on here |
| 03:08.50 | aeronadix | whats more 'latest' kernel, 2.6.2 or 2.6.14? |
| 03:08.50 | whatever | have a great night guys! |
| 03:08.53 | whatever | (or day) |
| 03:08.59 | hazard__ | whatever, later |
| 03:09.51 | flamy | hey guys, i'm looking for truetype fonts, maybe someone knows packages that might contain them, or I just have to get them from windows? |
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| 03:10.07 | nse | does anybody remember that factoid that say about alsa configuration tools? |
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| 03:10.28 | cheal | ddfire: you mean which driver? try $ lspci |
| 03:10.31 | aeronadix | alsaconf |
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| 03:11.19 | cheal | aeronadix: you mean which Linux version is more recent between 2.6.2 and 2.6.14? |
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| 03:11.40 | ddfire | cheal, i do lspci and command not found $lspci and i dont get anything |
| 03:11.56 | cheal | ddfire: try only "lspci" in a shell |
| 03:12.54 | nse | aeronadix: which package provide alsaconf? |
| 03:12.55 | ddfire | DreamsFactory:/proc/sys/kernel# lspci |
| 03:12.55 | ddfire | bash: lspci: command not found |
| 03:13.11 | sshSesion | I created a user ....and i dont know haw can setup a password !!!! You can help me ??? pls ! |
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| 03:13.21 | cheal | ddfire: is pciutils installed? |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | passwd <user> |
| 03:13.24 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 03:13.25 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 03:13.31 | ddfire | cheal, i dont know |
| 03:13.34 | abrotman | !tell sshSesion about grounding |
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| 03:13.43 | sshSesion | i will try this !!!Tahnks |
| 03:13.44 | stew | ddfire: its in pciutils |
| 03:13.46 | ogre | hmm still no kernel 2.6.16... |
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| 03:14.01 | cheal | ddfire: lspci will only work if pciutils is installed |
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| 03:14.24 | sshSesion | i recive teh next msg : |
| 03:14.25 | sshSesion | lanserv:/# passwd ckl |
| 03:14.25 | sshSesion | passwd : Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 03:14.29 | meneg | omg, diffs for apt own :D |
| 03:14.41 | meneg | congrats |
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| 03:14.49 | secher | Heyas all. Quick question. I'm on a wireless network, but my system keeps picking up another network with the same essid. I can tell from looking at the access point man addresses. I use iwconfig to tell my NIC to use my network, but the MAC for the AP does not change. I tried ifdown to stop the interface and then restart it, but the iwconfig readings stay the same, and I still can't change the AP to use. I need to find out how to force an AP change so |
| 03:15.01 | ddfire | cheal, ii do apt-get install pciutils inow i can do lspci |
| 03:15.02 | abrotman | secher: change yours .. duh :) |
| 03:15.37 | turkenator | hi everyone i heard alot of great things about this channel on the www about how helpful it is i was wondering if i could get any help with apt-get even though im not running debian |
| 03:15.46 | secher | Heyas abrotman: I'm actually at my girlfriend's house, and her neighbohrs are letting me leech off of their network, and I think it |
| 03:15.58 | cheal | turkenator: no. this is a Debian support channel |
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| 03:16.11 | secher | would be presumptuous of me to tell them to change their essid. |
| 03:16.12 | aeronadix | nse, I used to play with alsaconf and stuff like that, but then I would just upgrade my kernel and sound would work |
| 03:16.20 | abrotman | secher: i thought you were married ... |
| 03:16.29 | turkenator | ok thx cheal becoz i already asked the suse channel and no 1 has a clue about the problem im having with apt -get since they dont use it |
| 03:16.30 | ogre | maybe he is ;) |
| 03:16.32 | liable | secher: you can set it vian mac too |
| 03:16.43 | bucky | secher: do both ap's have the same ip? you can specify your gateway |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | iwconfig doesn't let you pick ? |
| 03:16.48 | cheal | turkenator: heh, no surprise |
| 03:16.52 | turkenator | :P |
| 03:16.52 | secher | abrotman: no, not for a few years now, I was engaged, but that ended rahter abruptly. |
| 03:17.02 | abrotman | secher: didn't you just tell me your wife works in the mall? |
| 03:17.08 | abrotman | like .. the exton mall or something |
| 03:17.17 | secher | liable: I tried iwconfig wlan0 essid <blah> ap xx:xx:xx:xx to no availo. |
| 03:17.18 | ddfire | cheal, how i can get more info??? |
| 03:17.23 | turkenator | can i atleast ask sum1 about how to issue to commands at once with apt? |
| 03:17.40 | cheal | ddfire: it depends on which info you want |
| 03:17.41 | secher | bucky: default gw, so no. |
| 03:17.46 | Wowbagger_ | I have a laptop which isn't always plugged into an ethernet. When not connected it pauses during boot stupidly trying to get an IP address using dhcp. I say stupidly because it seems to be able to tell whether the cable is plugged in or not. Is there a way to make it not bother with dhcp if there's no cable attached? |
| 03:18.02 | secher | abrotman: don't think so, my fiancee. |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | secher: but the mall .. yes?!?!!? |
| 03:18.16 | turkenator | i need to do apt-get install --fix-broken and --no-checksig at the same time but it wont work ive tried all the combinations i could think of |
| 03:18.17 | cheal | turkenator: please use decent English here. avoid spellings like "sum1" |
| 03:18.29 | ddfire | cheal, i get it, man lspci XD lspci -n |
| 03:18.32 | secher | abrotman: yes, but was my fiancee... I may have said I was all but married.... |
| 03:18.35 | ddfire | cheal, THANKS! |
| 03:18.35 | turkenator | ok sorry ill avoid it |
| 03:18.46 | abrotman | secher: ok .. i'm going to go put my head back in the muffler now |
| 03:18.47 | stoned | Wowbagger_, /etc/network/interfaces <- make it static and give it an ip |
| 03:18.51 | cheal | ddfire: eh, good if you figured it :) |
| 03:18.56 | cshaman | Is there any astronomy software for Linux? |
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| 03:19.09 | Wowbagger_ | stoned: Not good enough. I use it on different networks. |
| 03:19.14 | stoned | cshaman, hah, I was looking for that yesterday and stuff |
| 03:19.14 | abrotman | cshaman: there is the god damn coolest program i've ever seen .. in debian .. for astronomy |
| 03:19.16 | cheal | cshaman: kstars, AFAIK |
| 03:19.17 | ogre | yes, apt-cache search astronomy |
| 03:19.18 | secher | cshman: yes, umm.. fsck.. do an apt-cache search astronomy |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | i mean .. the COOLEST |
| 03:19.35 | abrotman | !info stellarium sarge |
| 03:19.43 | dpkg | stellarium: (real-time photo-realistic sky generator), section science, is optional. Version: 0.6.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 992 kB, Installed size: 2132 kB |
| 03:19.46 | turkenator | i guess you dont know either thanx anyway |
| 03:19.51 | secher | cshaman: No, not kstarts... one sec.. lemme.. that's it, stellarium |
| 03:20.05 | secher | turkenator: you're welcome. |
| 03:20.12 | stoned | thre is also openuniverse |
| 03:20.20 | cheal | turkenator: I told you, you're on the wrong channel. don't expect a useful answer |
| 03:20.20 | abrotman | no .. stellarium kicks ass |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | i had to change my pants three times while playing with it |
| 03:20.30 | cshaman | abrotman: Is stellarium in Stable? |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | cshaman: yes |
| 03:20.38 | stoned | abrotman, sick! |
| 03:20.47 | cshaman | Hm. Not showing up in apt-cache search astronomy |
| 03:20.50 | secher | abrotman: LOL.. too true.. beautiful application. |
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| 03:20.56 | abrotman | cshaman: apt-cache show stellarium |
| 03:21.02 | secher | cshaman: stellarim |
| 03:21.03 | cshaman | Found it :) |
| 03:21.04 | cshaman | Thanks! |
| 03:21.12 | secher | Yw. |
| 03:21.32 | abrotman | seriously one of the coolest programs i've seen in years |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | though .. briquolo is a darn fun game :) |
| 03:21.49 | stoned | I am hungry |
| 03:21.52 | abrotman | duh |
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| 03:22.23 | ogre | briquolo sure sounds like "burrito" and now i'm hungry too |
| 03:22.29 | stoned | no I mean I don't have the munchies, I am REALLY hungry |
| 03:22.30 | abrotman | !info briquolo |
| 03:22.32 | dpkg | briquolo: (Fast paced 3d Breakout), section games, is optional. Version: 0.5.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 203 kB, Installed size: 704 kB |
| 03:22.33 | ogre | and apt-get install burrito doesn't work :( |
| 03:22.46 | basbryan | apt-get instal burrito |
| 03:22.47 | secher | Ok, so back to my iwconfig hassles.. WTF do I do. How about this, how do I force the wireless interface to release all details so I can start fresh.. |
| 03:22.48 | basbryan | oops |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | ogre: if you have unstable/sid .. it's available to you |
| 03:23.05 | tony400 | For port forwarding, I need to edt /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall-iptables, however I don't have this file or directory. Is it possible that it's under a different name on my computer? |
| 03:23.08 | ogre | hmm, it's saying it's not :/ |
| 03:23.30 | ogre | wonder if it's cause my GUI is bork :( |
| 03:23.31 | abrotman | secher: set the options you want in the interfaces file .. and use the /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:24.08 | secher | ogre: if you're in the SE Pa. area, I have some pork roast, gravy, mashed potatoes, sauteed greenbeans and garlic and half a bottle of reisling left. |
| 03:24.17 | abrotman | what about me!?!? |
| 03:24.23 | abrotman | no beer? |
| 03:24.26 | ogre | damn! I'm in washington :( |
| 03:25.13 | secher | abrotman: Oh, dude, I have a new gig, I start in about a month.. and this time it's certain. I'm an analyst for a .com startup.. |
| 03:25.28 | astronut | so I have 2 graphics cards in a dual headed setup... a GeForce 2 mx440 128meg AGP and a geforce mx4000 128meg pci... which should I use as the primary card? the 4000 is newer, but the mx440 is AGP |
| 03:25.50 | secher | abrotman: I'm a direct report to the COO with a doted line to the CIO. |
| 03:26.01 | kspath | astronut: What do you mean by primary? |
| 03:26.08 | abrotman | secher: where at? |
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| 03:26.10 | astronut | kspath: for games, 3d accell, GL, etc |
| 03:26.32 | kspath | astronut: have the newer card do the GL as you said. |
| 03:26.48 | stoned | is there some sort of a virtual telescope and space where you can zoom into planets and galaxies and such? |
| 03:26.49 | astronut | kspath: even though it's PCI not AGP? |
| 03:27.02 | stoned | I mean a software |
| 03:27.04 | ogre | stoned: StarWars: Galaxies! |
| 03:27.05 | astronut | stoned: celestia |
| 03:27.06 | ogre | :X |
| 03:27.08 | secher | abrotman: name's brainshield, the site's nothing to write home about, but there's no bricks and mortar office.. I'll be commuting to Manhhattan once a week or so, and travelling about 50% of the time. Otherwise, I'll be working from home. |
| 03:27.20 | stoned | hey astronut |
| 03:27.21 | kspath | astronut: It will not make much difference unless your PCI is doing a lot of other stuff. |
| 03:27.29 | astronut | kspath: oh |
| 03:27.37 | abrotman | secher: oh .. it's not local |
| 03:27.39 | astronut | just LAN |
| 03:27.40 | secher | abrotman: moving to Center City.. found a great appt for 1400/mo, wood fireplace, 1000 sq ft, 15th and Bainbridge. |
| 03:27.50 | abrotman | secher: not bad at all ... |
| 03:28.00 | secher | abrotman: Man, I can't wait. I |
| 03:28.05 | stoned | whoah thats too much |
| 03:28.08 | abrotman | i wouldn't mind living center city |
| 03:28.09 | stoned | 1400/mo |
| 03:28.13 | abrotman | stoned: it's not that bad |
| 03:28.24 | abrotman | though .. he could buy a condo downtown for that |
| 03:28.25 | stoned | man, I pay 410/mo and I am like whoah, this is too much |
| 03:28.26 | kspath | astronut: Do you really think the newer card could saturate your AGP or your PCI? |
| 03:28.28 | secher | abrotman: I'm headed down to DC next week for a meeting with the principals, I'm meeting with *Robert Kahn*. |
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| 03:28.37 | astronut | kspath: i don't know |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | secher: the tiger?!?! |
| 03:28.45 | astronut | i don't really know that much about the low level bus specs |
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| 03:28.50 | astronut | i just know AGP is faster and dedicated |
| 03:29.03 | kspath | astronut: I have a machine with 3 nvidia PCI cards and it is as fast as with one. |
| 03:29.14 | secher | abrotman: the tiger?? dunno, he's the co-creator of TCP/IP from DARPA net days. |
| 03:29.16 | kspath | astronut: well, not exactly |
| 03:29.17 | astronut | ok, cool |
| 03:29.29 | kspath | astronut: X drags the machine down |
| 03:29.31 | astronut | i'll switch them around i guess... |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | secher: cut me some slack .. my humor is off :) |
| 03:29.49 | astronut | gravity always drags things |
| 03:29.50 | astronut | sorry |
| 03:29.52 | secher | abrotmman: Oh, as in Kahn the tiger. |
| 03:29.53 | astronut | that was too good to pass up |
| 03:29.56 | kspath | astronut: It is not a PCI issue but rather than X issue combined with only a 1Ghz Athlox |
| 03:29.57 | secher | abortman: LOL. |
| 03:30.05 | astronut | kspath: yes, i feel it myself |
| 03:30.06 | secher | just got it. |
| 03:30.17 | astronut | i have X on a 1.6 ghz (xp 2000+) athlon and it slows a lot |
| 03:30.47 | secher | abrotman: so when I move in and have my party, you're headed into CC for an evening of debauchery with the rest of my friends. |
| 03:30.52 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:30.56 | abrotman | i need one of those |
| 03:31.14 | liable | friends? |
| 03:31.23 | liable | or party? |
| 03:31.27 | abrotman | liable: co-workers with boobs |
| 03:31.28 | kspath | astronut: I have a sempron with two cards and it flies. Partially because of double the clocks and partially faster ram and partially better video card |
| 03:31.46 | astronut | which is sempron |
| 03:31.49 | liable | abrotman: heh, *everyone* needs at least one of those |
| 03:31.50 | astronut | i always confuse them |
| 03:31.51 | abrotman | secher: that's a lot of driving back and forth though |
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| 03:32.08 | abrotman | astronut: sempron is like the athlon celeron |
| 03:32.15 | astronut | i thought that was duron? |
| 03:32.20 | abrotman | used to be |
| 03:32.26 | kspath | astronut: It is beyond an Duron or a Athlon but not an AMD64 and not a Opteron |
| 03:32.28 | abrotman | i think the duron name is dead |
| 03:32.38 | astronut | ah |
| 03:32.40 | abrotman | bah .. i gotta sleep .. |
| 03:32.44 | astronut | i am on an xp2000+ (1.6 ghz) |
| 03:32.47 | astronut | i need more |
| 03:32.59 | astronut | nice |
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| 03:35.44 | secher_ | sorry bout that, I'm back.. network interference from the other network. |
| 03:36.05 | secher_ | apt test |
| 03:36.08 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 03:36.24 | secher_ | apt botsnack |
| 03:36.24 | apt | :), secher_ |
| 03:36.25 | ogre | So any thoughts on why after installing the new linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 it doesn't show up upon boot (grub)? |
| 03:36.42 | secher_ | cause you're not using Lilo? <grin |
| 03:36.44 | secher_ | > |
| 03:36.47 | ogre | :P |
| 03:37.21 | bwlang | ogre: didn't see earlier... did you run update-grub? |
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| 03:37.31 | ogre | lemme try that |
| 03:37.32 | secher_ | sorry, couldn't help it, I tried grub for few months, but could see no benefit to switching, and moved back to Lilo. |
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| 03:37.51 | bwlang | ogre: if you didn't do that - grub won't be updated so it will just show the old menu. |
| 03:37.56 | ogre | ah |
| 03:38.07 | ogre | so just "update-grub" or apt-get update-grub? or? |
| 03:38.25 | bwlang | just update-grub... |
| 03:38.34 | ogre | command not found :/ |
| 03:38.34 | secher_ | if there's in IRCOP on, can you kill the secher nick? I lost connection and can't switch nicks now that I've returned. |
| 03:38.54 | ogre | if you're registered just ghost it |
| 03:39.02 | secher_ | ogre: ghost it? |
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| 03:39.18 | ogre | yeah, /msg nickserv ghost *name* *password* |
| 03:39.31 | secher_ | ogre: Ive never bothered to learn about irc other than to join #debian. |
| 03:39.35 | secher_ | ogre: cool, thanks. |
| 03:39.37 | ogre | np |
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| 03:40.02 | deepz | i have installed ethch with gnome as my desktop system |
| 03:40.14 | deepz | when i try to open terminal it doesnt |
| 03:40.14 | secher | ogre: thanks much. |
| 03:40.17 | bwlang | ogre: are you sure youinstalled grub? dpkg -S says that /sbin/update-grub is in grub |
| 03:40.18 | deepz | ?? |
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| 03:40.39 | ogre | yeah, it's how i boot between deb and windows |
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| 03:41.02 | bwlang | ogre: are you running it as root? |
| 03:41.06 | ogre | yes |
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| 03:41.17 | bwlang | ogre: try ls -l /sbin/update-grub |
| 03:41.41 | ogre | no go :( |
| 03:41.51 | ogre | whiskey tango foxtrot |
| 03:42.01 | newpers | i love that game |
| 03:42.06 | bwlang | dpkg -l grub |
| 03:42.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching grub |
| 03:42.36 | ogre | erm. wtf... |
| 03:42.53 | newpers | i'm installing 3.1r2 for the first time and i'm watching the installation. it's flashing xfree86. why not xorg? |
| 03:43.00 | newpers | does 3.1 not use xorg? |
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| 03:43.23 | ogre | well... guess i'll try a repoot brb... |
| 03:43.29 | EdLin | I keep getting this error with mutt: |
| 03:43.31 | EdLin | /home/jbl/.smime/keys/.index: No such file or directory |
| 03:43.34 | jelly-ho | newpers: it doesn't, but see topic |
| 03:43.39 | bwlang | ogre: i don't know how you got it grub on the bootloader without having it installed... strange |
| 03:43.58 | EdLin | when I try to sign an email, and encryption claims the user isn't in my keyring |
| 03:44.10 | f00li5h | bwlang: isn't it the default bootloader |
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| 03:44.24 | jelly-ho | newpers: that is, the "/msg dpkg xorg sarge" part |
| 03:44.56 | bwlang | f00li5h: not sure... but it should be installed if it is... i guess it's possible that the installer wrote the mbr and somehow the install failed. |
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| 03:46.04 | ogre | huzzah i have kernel 2.6.16! |
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| 03:46.42 | eleckttruss | ogre, this kernel is the best! |
| 03:47.09 | cshaman | Ahoy, does anyone know of a simple way to configure fetchmail with GMail? I found a an Exim4/Gmail document on debianwiki, but cannot find a good document on configuring fetchmail with Gmail |
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| 03:47.47 | fenrir | Anyone got a how-to on making a screensaver that works with Xscreensaver? Or atleast how to make one just from a single image? |
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| 03:48.00 | cshaman | when I ran slackware a while back, I remember using fetchmail without the need for ssl certificates, but all the ones that I've found lately use ssl certificates... |
| 03:48.15 | Ogre | well holy poobah, i have a gui now too |
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| 03:49.10 | Ogre | hmmm bitchx is acting a little goofey |
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| 03:52.22 | zu22 | i finally found a good 100% linux ISP! yay |
| 03:52.33 | oskilian | My box is crashing randomly, sometimes even before completely booting. I'm guessing it's a hardware problem, but I don't know where to start looking... |
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| 03:53.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 03:53.01 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 03:53.29 | zu22 | tarzeau: nice |
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| 03:54.31 | victori | it seems checkinstall is segfaulting for every mkdir command, is there any other utility that can build debian files from a 'make install' |
| 03:54.42 | victori | or know a work around to fix checkinstall in debian sid |
| 03:57.54 | newpers | i installed python2.3 and want to uninstall python2.3 and install python2.4. how do i do this? |
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| 03:58.09 | newpers | this is my first time to use debian's packaging system |
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| 04:01.11 | victori | hmm anyone using checkinstall at all? |
| 04:01.34 | bwlang | newpers: synaptic is a easy to use gui for this stuff... |
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| 04:02.21 | victori | blah |
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| 04:04.59 | chealer9 | newpers: just install the python2.4 package and remove python2.3 |
| 04:05.17 | victori | hmm there has to be an automated deb creator besides checkinstall |
| 04:05.35 | newpers | chealer9: i'm using 3.1r2. i don't see python2.4 listed. do i get it from the backports or do i add testing to my sources? |
| 04:05.44 | newpers | apt sources |
| 04:05.46 | apt | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 04:05.56 | victori | anyone? |
| 04:06.24 | gpm | alien |
| 04:06.25 | gpm | haha |
| 04:06.36 | victori | alien? is for rpm->deb |
| 04:06.43 | gpm | yeah, hence the chuckle |
| 04:07.00 | newpers | ? |
| 04:07.00 | victori | there has to be an automated deb creator |
| 04:07.15 | voltagex | #courier is dead, anyone using courier-mta in here? I'm having problems sending mail to external addresses |
| 04:07.22 | gpm | i assume you've exhausted apt-cache search? |
| 04:07.44 | chealer9 | newpers: python2.4 is in Debian 3.1. |
| 04:07.57 | victori | gpm: yep |
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| 04:09.57 | maher | victori: dh_make? |
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| 04:10.17 | victori | thanks,ill look into it |
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| 04:10.52 | maher | victori: if mkdir is segfaulting maybe you should investigate why... |
| 04:11.02 | rockstar_ | Anyone worked with the MCP nForce motherboard with amd64? |
| 04:11.13 | victori | maher: na mkdir works fine it is just checkinstall that is acting up |
| 04:11.20 | chealer9 | rockstar_: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 04:11.26 | maher | victori: have you straced it? |
| 04:11.36 | rockstar_ | chealer9: Sweet, thanks |
| 04:11.37 | gpm | victori: http://freshmeat.net/projects/deb-install/ ? |
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| 04:12.07 | x`y`-xy | ia have a big problem ..i have retarted the server ...and the Apache is not starting ..ia recive this msg : |
| 04:12.15 | maher | victori: there is also stow which doesn't make debs but keeps track of stuff |
| 04:12.18 | newpers | ok, this is where i'm confused. aptitude install python-imaging tries to install python2.3-imaging. how can i get it to install python2.4-imaging |
| 04:12.19 | x`y`-xy | lanserv:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 04:12.19 | x`y`-xy | Starting web server: Apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 04:12.24 | newpers | i have python2.4 installed now |
| 04:12.27 | newpers | and 2.3 removed |
| 04:12.30 | x`y`-xy | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 04:12.30 | x`y`-xy | Unable to open logs |
| 04:12.37 | x`y`-xy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:12.51 | maher | x`y`-xy: kill the old apaches - get a better nick... |
| 04:13.22 | chealer9 | newpers: you can't python-imaging depends on python2.3-imaging |
| 04:13.22 | x`y`-xy | ho can do that ...i'm biginer |
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| 04:13.38 | maher | x`y`-xy: /nick better_nick |
| 04:14.02 | bwlang | newpers: python-imaging depends on python2.3 i guess... you could apt-get install source python-imaging and rebuild the package pointing it at 2.4 (maybe) |
| 04:14.09 | ok_ok | you can hlp me pls |
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| 04:14.24 | maher | ok_ok: killall apache2 |
| 04:14.26 | Juzzy- | ok_ok: killall -9 httpd |
| 04:14.47 | snorii2 | ok |
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| 04:15.00 | Juzzy- | although killall is not apache friendly |
| 04:15.03 | maher | ok_ok: use netstat -pant to check if anything is still listening on :80 |
| 04:15.28 | Juzzy- | i always use -ptuna ;/ |
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| 04:16.29 | ok_ok | i have this : |
| 04:16.31 | ok_ok | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1 |
| 04:16.48 | Juzzy- | whats -ptuna line say? |
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| 04:17.35 | ok_ok | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1326/apache |
| 04:17.43 | Juzzy- | wow wtf, sf must be hard up, they have google adwords halfway overlapping the download links |
| 04:17.48 | ok_ok | how can remove apache |
| 04:17.50 | Juzzy- | kill -9 1326 |
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| 04:18.18 | rockstar_ | amd64 room is empty... Need to know if anyone is familiar with the amd64 debian install. I can't get my network card to work. |
| 04:18.48 | rockstar_ | -room +channel |
| 04:18.48 | Juzzy- | rockstar_: i ended up going with i386 on my amd64 :| |
| 04:18.59 | Juzzy- | i got a badass dual opty box too |
| 04:19.01 | rockstar_ | Juzzy-: neither option works. |
| 04:19.09 | rockstar_ | amd64 nor i386 |
| 04:19.15 | Juzzy- | the nic doesnt? |
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| 04:19.28 | Juzzy- | try changing it out? :| |
| 04:19.33 | Juzzy- | they are like $15 these days |
| 04:19.50 | Juzzy- | I use intel chipset ones w/o any problems |
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| 04:20.17 | ok_ok | Juzzy- ... kill the proces ...but ..he start again ....i don't know how ...with another PID |
| 04:20.38 | rockstar_ | Juzzy-: First of all, that's not really an option, since all the PCI slots are full, and the nic is onboard. |
| 04:20.48 | Juzzy- | What nic do you have? and do you know if the driver module comes with the default install? |
| 04:20.58 | Juzzy- | ok_ok: any chance it's a backdoor? |
| 04:21.09 | Juzzy- | apt-get remove apache |
| 04:21.30 | rockstar_ | Juzzy-: Second of all, that doesn't help the linux community. It's an nForce chipset, forcedeth loads, but doesn't get an ip from dhcp, manual setup of network doesn't work either. |
| 04:21.34 | ok_ok | now i'm makeing this |
| 04:21.36 | Juzzy- | apt-get remove apache apache2+ #if you want to install apache2 at the same time |
| 04:22.23 | Juzzy- | rockstar_: for what it's worth, a few years ago i tried installing gentoo64 on my gigabyte amd64 with onboard nic and it didnt work either |
| 04:22.24 | Juzzy- | ;/ |
| 04:22.36 | ok_ok | apache2 was in function ...but i don't know why this happen |
| 04:22.51 | rockstar_ | Juzzy-: That's not so comforting. |
| 04:23.16 | maher | ok_ok: you have both apache and apache2 installed? apt-get remove apache - apache is starting first and grabbing :80.... |
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| 04:24.06 | chealer9 | rockstar_: I just checked. you should find over 70 people at #debian-amd64 |
| 04:24.17 | newpers | how would i install postgresql 8.0 on debian 3.1? |
| 04:24.23 | ok_ok | ok ...i removed but why after i killed the process ..he start again with another PID ? |
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| 04:24.29 | newpers | i don't see any version numbers behind postgresql |
| 04:24.32 | newpers | and think it installs 7 |
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| 04:25.05 | Juzzy- | apt-get install postgresql |
| 04:25.09 | maher | ok_ok: apache spawns new child processes - you would need to kill the main apache process - /etc/init.d/apache stop would have done this |
| 04:25.12 | Juzzy- | oh my bad |
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| 04:25.15 | newpers | Juzzy-: how do i know what version that's going to install |
| 04:25.30 | Juzzy- | newpers: you'll need to update your list, 1 sec |
| 04:25.38 | chealer9 | newpers: first, why would you install postgres 8.0 (on sarge)? |
| 04:25.53 | newpers | chealer9: what's wrong with that? |
| 04:26.20 | chealer9 | newpers: 1. it's not in sarge. 2. it's not the latest upstream version |
| 04:26.32 | newpers | chealer9: so what do you suggest i do? download etch? |
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| 04:27.32 | chealer9 | newpers: I certainly can't say if you don't explain why you want that version |
| 04:27.52 | newpers | why i want etch or sarge? |
| 04:28.14 | chealer9 | newpers: I don't really understand your question |
| 04:28.21 | newpers | chealer9: i honestly don't know which to d/l. i need a recommendation. |
| 04:28.26 | newpers | i just want postgresql 8.0 working |
| 04:28.29 | newpers | and securely |
| 04:28.49 | Juzzy- | newpers: you'll need to find a source for /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:28.58 | Juzzy- | to make it work via apt-get |
| 04:29.08 | Juzzy- | here's one for mysql 5 |
| 04:29.10 | Juzzy- | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2517.html |
| 04:29.14 | Juzzy- | which i know doesn't help |
| 04:29.23 | Juzzy- | but you may be able to find more based on google ;/ |
| 04:29.49 | newpers | Juzzy-: is it bad that I'm using sarge? or should i install a newer release? |
| 04:29.51 | newpers | or version |
| 04:29.54 | chealer9 | newpers: unfortunately, I don't think we have good documentation for choosing your Debian release. it's sure that if you use postgres 8 on sarge, you'll have to handle security yourself |
| 04:30.07 | undefined | newpers: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.1/ |
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| 04:30.33 | undefined | newpers: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 04:30.35 | Juzzy- | you can always manually install it :p |
| 04:30.40 | newpers | undefined: thanks. but i like the 8.0 releases over 8.1 |
| 04:30.47 | chealer9 | undefined: that's postgres 8.1 |
| 04:30.48 | undefined | newpers: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.0/ |
| 04:30.55 | undefined | newpers: ;) |
| 04:31.00 | newpers | undefined: it says that the package has been removed |
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| 04:31.57 | newpers | chealer9: you said if i use postgresql 8 on sarge i'll have to handle security myself. are you saying i wouldn't if i used postgres 7? or i wouldn't if i used etch? |
| 04:32.07 | undefined | newpers: that's odd, because i see a whole lot of files in that 8.0 directory |
| 04:32.41 | newpers | ohh.. nm that was just 8.0.2 |
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| 04:33.07 | newpers | It reads, "Problems: This package is neither part of unstable nor experimental. This probably means that the package has been removed (or has been renamed). " |
| 04:33.07 | chealer9 | newpers: right. postgres 7 is in sarge and postgres 8 is in Etch, so you can expect some security support. |
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| 04:37.44 | ahattar | hi there |
| 04:38.12 | ahattar | anyone knows a good free firewall to install on Debian? |
| 04:38.24 | Alam_Debian | iptables? |
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| 04:38.42 | ahattar | kool |
| 04:38.47 | ahattar | thnx alam |
| 04:38.59 | Alam_Debian | I was kidding |
| 04:39.00 | newpers | ahattar: you need more than that |
| 04:39.14 | newpers | i mean you use that, but it's not that easy |
| 04:39.31 | newpers | http://coderseye.com/go.php?http://www.webhostgear.com/61.html |
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| 04:45.26 | voltagex | #courier is dead, anyone using courier-mta in here? I'm having problems sending mail to external addresses |
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| 04:45.55 | Ademan | how could i access a file that I dont have permission to? but I have the root password... (i'm using a knoppix cd to try and edit my blacklist) |
| 04:46.11 | ok_ok | i can install a web interfaces for postfix ??? |
| 04:46.26 | Ugly_Duck | wahooo... got my nvidia drivers working |
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| 04:53.53 | x`y`-xy | which is the best webmail interface for postfix ??? |
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| 04:57.07 | cshaman | Ahoy |
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| 04:57.56 | cshaman | Is it possible to automate input to a program? For instance, fetchmail always asks for a password before it can poll the pop server for mail; could I write a bash script to automate the input of the password? |
| 04:58.19 | cshaman | I want to run the script in crontab so I can automagically have new mail in mutt. |
| 04:58.52 | cshaman | ...but if I simply run fetchmail in the crontab, it will constantly ask for my password while i'm in the middle of doing something. |
| 05:00.57 | cshaman | nevermind! I figured it out :) |
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| 05:02.32 | DanaG | does anyone know if the current Debian installer has support for the "e1000" module (Intel ICH-7 gigabit) and "piix" (ICH-7 SATA)? |
| 05:05.42 | DanaG | anyone? |
| 05:06.07 | f00li5h | DanaG: no, i don't know that |
| 05:06.24 | myboxen | I have the ICH6 SATA controller, and yes it has support, but theres a bug with it |
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| 05:06.38 | DanaG | Well, that's better than not booting. |
| 05:06.50 | myboxen | it will recognize the drive (hd) but not the cdrom on my laptop |
| 05:06.57 | DanaG | I tried Mepis and it works, but the last time I recompiled the kernel, it broke _everything_ |
| 05:07.04 | myboxen | it conflicts with the libata driver needed for sata |
| 05:07.15 | bengrubb | does it go beeeeeeep |
| 05:07.33 | myboxen | once you deal with the bug during install it is no longer an issue. |
| 05:07.37 | myboxen | its only with the installer |
| 05:07.39 | DanaG | it wouldn't boot, and I can't figure out how to fix it with mkinitrd. I used the boot disk and chrooted and removed and reinstalled, and something is issue. |
| 05:07.53 | DanaG | Oh, so now I want to try the main Debian just for the heck of it. |
| 05:07.58 | DanaG | I have nothing to lose. |
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| 05:08.30 | DanaG | I just need to make sure it will install. If it will boot from the onboard CD, I can move the disk to a firewire CD drive I have connected. |
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| 05:09.41 | WireDDD | how can I change what gtk2 engine I am using without using gtk2? which file can I edit |
| 05:09.57 | lostson | .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 05:09.59 | DanaG | two DVDs? What's up with that? |
| 05:10.13 | myboxen | 14 cd's |
| 05:10.14 | myboxen | :) |
| 05:10.21 | myboxen | a lot of really good software |
| 05:10.31 | myboxen | just get the netinst |
| 05:10.50 | DanaG | As long as either e1000 or xirc2ps_cs works. |
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| 05:11.48 | myboxen | e1000 should work, and if it doesn't its compatible with the e100 driver |
| 05:12.26 | newpers | how can i determine which version of lighttpd apt-get install lighttpd is going to install? |
| 05:12.39 | chealer9 | newpers: $ apt-cache policy lighttpd |
| 05:12.46 | Stevie | 14 cds? |
| 05:12.49 | newpers | chealer9: thanks (again :)) |
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| 05:12.51 | myboxen | awe, beat me to it |
| 05:12.51 | DanaG | wowzah |
| 05:13.16 | chealer9 | newpers: no problem. you may want to start using synaptic, or check the APT HOWTO |
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| 05:13.46 | Stevie | and I thought the 3gb knoppix dvd was big |
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| 05:14.55 | JeffH_ | how difficult would it be to setup postfix to filter our debian security e-mails for packages that aren't installed on my machine? |
| 05:15.07 | JeffH_ | filter out |
| 05:16.01 | Stevie | JeffH_: An intriguing challenge |
| 05:16.42 | JeffH_ | yeah. |
| 05:16.51 | iter | probably be about 1000x easier to setup pine to filter em |
| 05:16.58 | iter | or whatever email client you use |
| 05:17.17 | Stevie | But that's not always the point, iter :) |
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| 05:17.27 | JeffH_ | iter: how's that when my client runs on a different OS than my debian box. |
| 05:17.29 | Stevie | Sometimes ya just gotta do it because ya can |
| 05:17.52 | iter | Stevie: I see the point |
| 05:18.03 | iter | JeffH_: should make absolutely no difference |
| 05:18.06 | belracu | try mutt |
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| 05:18.21 | belracu | i find mutt quite handeee and quick like a flash |
| 05:18.28 | JeffH_ | why would I want to try mutt? I like my e-mail client. |
| 05:18.43 | belracu | then use ur email client .... |
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| 05:18.52 | belracu | simple |
| 05:18.57 | cshaman | mutt is fast. |
| 05:19.03 | cshaman | i need to learn how to configure it, though. |
| 05:19.04 | belracu | but make sure u run on linux :P |
| 05:19.33 | JeffH_ | Stevie: do you know how to create a filter in postfix? |
| 05:19.39 | Stevie | never used postfix |
| 05:19.46 | JeffH_ | okay |
| 05:19.48 | belracu | filter in Postfix |
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| 05:20.01 | belracu | postfix is a MTA... and email client is a MUA |
| 05:20.06 | cshaman | i need to configure postfix as well. |
| 05:20.19 | Stevie | JeffH_: mh, couldn't you use exim? |
| 05:20.29 | Stevie | or procmail |
| 05:20.32 | belracu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.34 | JeffH_ | postfix is easy to configure. |
| 05:20.34 | _lester_ | procmail is your friend. |
| 05:20.39 | JeffH_ | not sure Stevie |
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| 05:20.57 | Stevie | exim is easy to configure if you use the defaults :) |
| 05:20.59 | myboxen | sendmail - postfix - mutt !!! |
| 05:21.02 | Stevie | MDA? |
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| 05:21.15 | myboxen | Mail Delivery Agent |
| 05:21.17 | maheem | wether Sarge r2 supports SATA? |
| 05:21.20 | Eclipser | damn confusing manpages and help messages |
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| 05:21.25 | iter | I've only recently discovered how nice vim is |
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| 05:21.35 | iter | I was always a vi fan |
| 05:21.45 | streuner | maheem: a kernel *thingie* |
| 05:21.48 | iter | just never used vim "ah it's for sissies" |
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| 05:21.52 | _lester_ | maheem: if you get a later kernel then yes. :) |
| 05:21.58 | belracu | VIM is the King ... cant imagin a day with out it |
| 05:22.00 | cshaman | iter: it's the same thing... |
| 05:22.01 | iter | then this guy hired me to admin his box w/no vi |
| 05:22.07 | iter | vim only |
| 05:22.08 | maheem | thanx |
| 05:22.09 | iter | so I had to use it |
| 05:22.10 | newpers | is there a tutorial explaining how to setup xorg and gnome on sarge? |
| 05:22.17 | newpers | with the backports |
| 05:22.17 | iter | nah it's a little flashier |
| 05:22.22 | Eclipser | could anyone help me with this? :) |
| 05:22.32 | streuner | maheem: kmuto made (make) some 2.6.15 kernel for sarge |
| 05:22.43 | fyrestrtr | guys, how different is sarge from ubuntu? |
| 05:22.45 | belracu | Eclipser, what is confusing ... ? |
| 05:22.54 | streuner | !2.6.15 sarge |
| 05:23.08 | Eclipser | belracu, update-alternatives --help and man update-alternatives :) |
| 05:23.19 | Eclipser | belracu, I managed to break the link to my vim and can't get it back either |
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| 05:23.29 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 05:23.29 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 05:23.37 | Stevie | Eclipser: just export EDITOR=vim |
| 05:23.45 | iter | eclipser do locate vim |
| 05:23.52 | iter | then ln -s to recreate symlink |
| 05:23.54 | Eclipser | Stevie, it broke the vim symlink in /usr/bin |
| 05:24.02 | Eclipser | but I just managed to fix it :> |
| 05:24.04 | Stevie | what was it symlinked to? |
| 05:24.10 | Eclipser | it didn't exist |
| 05:24.15 | iter | haha |
| 05:24.24 | belracu | Eclipser, add export EDITOR=vim line to ur .bashrc file in ur home dir that must do the job |
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| 05:24.29 | Stevie | !ur |
| 05:24.29 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 05:25.10 | myboxen | Eclipser: on my box vim is linked to /etc/alternatives/vim* |
| 05:25.27 | jetscreamer | ur cwazee |
| 05:25.39 | Eclipser | myboxen, it was for me too, but I compiled and installed vim7 in my home and wanted to add it to the alternatives :) |
| 05:25.51 | myboxen | aye |
| 05:25.59 | newpers | or is xorg on sarge not a good idea? |
| 05:25.59 | simonrvn | it's in experimental |
| 05:26.04 | simonrvn | (vim 7) |
| 05:26.20 | streuner | newpers: heh? |
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| 05:26.57 | newpers | streuner: i can't find any sites that explain how to do it, so i'm assuming that it's not recommended |
| 05:27.09 | ogre | I followed all the procedures as dpkg msg'd them to me for the public key, but some reason it doesn't seem to be working... |
| 05:27.12 | rredd4_ | I am using Sarge (debian). Configuring xfree86Config-4 for a synaptics touchpad. The instructions say add/remove Input device. So do I remove only the stuff that is related to the mouse? Can I just put a # sign in front of the mouse stuff? |
| 05:27.13 | streuner | newpers: backports.org |
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| 05:27.34 | tag | how can I set up nfs to use tcp? |
| 05:28.32 | jm_ | man mount lists options for nfs fs |
| 05:28.40 | _lester_ | tag: why would u want to do that? |
| 05:28.45 | tag | In my current setup, nfsd on the server seems to only support udp |
| 05:28.50 | tag | _lester_: so I could do it over a proxy |
| 05:29.03 | newpers | streuner: yeah, but it doesn't say how to get gnome working with it once i install it? |
| 05:29.17 | _lester_ | inter-network nfs? yuck. :) |
| 05:29.21 | streuner | newpers: most people are DD's (debian-developers) who made those packages (backports) |
| 05:30.23 | tag | _lester_: unless you know how to make nautilus use a socks proxy :-) |
| 05:30.45 | rredd4_ | jm_ u there? need help with synaptics driver install into xfree86config-4 please |
| 05:31.10 | _lester_ | tag: iirc u need nfs4 for tcp |
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| 05:31.31 | _lester_ | tag: not a big fan of nautilus sorry. |
| 05:32.01 | cshaman | man, stellarium is such a siick program. |
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| 05:32.23 | tag | bah I just did it the lazy brute force way |
| 05:32.30 | tag | killall nautilus && tsocks nautilus |
| 05:32.32 | tag | heh |
| 05:32.41 | simonrvn | tag: just have to 'tell' it to do that. i *think* man exports, man mount, and man nfs might have some info |
| 05:32.44 | jm_ | rredd4_: yes |
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| 05:33.06 | simonrvn | _lester_: no |
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| 05:33.31 | shogunx | cshaman try openuniverse |
| 05:33.43 | rredd4_ | jm_ can I comment the input device mouse stuff in the config file |
| 05:33.56 | tag | simonrvn: I looked in there, I found not a whole lot of information |
| 05:34.02 | tag | I just decided to force nautilus to use socks, instead |
| 05:34.10 | rredd4_ | jm_ instructions say to add remove |
| 05:34.15 | simonrvn | tag: hmm ok. i thought they did. try the READMEs in /usr/share/doc |
| 05:34.17 | dli | can I do "su dli startx -- " in /etc/X11/startDM.sh ? |
| 05:34.33 | rredd4_ | jm_ I wanted to leave them there |
| 05:34.38 | jm_ | rredd4_: I would leave it in and add a new section |
| 05:34.52 | rredd4_ | ok |
| 05:34.58 | jm_ | rredd4_: then you can reference only your section in layout section, or use both - it won't hurt |
| 05:35.09 | EdLin | I keep getting this error with SMIME signing mutt: |
| 05:35.13 | EdLin | /home/jbl/.smime/keys/.index: No such file or directory |
| 05:35.18 | rredd4_ | jm_ ok |
| 05:35.43 | EdLin | and as for encryption, it claims that I don't have a valid key for the recepient, even though gpg --list-keys shows it |
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| 05:37.31 | rredd4_ | jm_ ok, i need to get out of doze and into sarge..brb ty |
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| 05:37.55 | simonrvn | smime isn't gpg |
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| 05:39.27 | jhana | helle |
| 05:39.32 | EdLin | simonrvn: yes, its probably having to do with mutt |
| 05:39.35 | jhana | onsa on ? |
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| 05:39.50 | simonrvn | ok, just checking :) |
| 05:39.56 | jhana | how do i deal w/ this thing? |
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| 05:40.07 | EdLin | simonrvn: I tried googling the error and I came up with nothing. |
| 05:40.32 | simonrvn | i haven't had mutt or -ng behave that way, so i haven't seen that |
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| 05:41.16 | jhana | help? |
| 05:41.38 | EdLin | simonrvn: the ~/.gnupg directory is restored from backup, could that be causing the problem? |
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| 05:42.31 | simonrvn | well, check your perms, gpg is really picky about them (and should be telling you from CLI) |
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| 05:43.25 | EdLin | simonrvn: gpg -list-keys and other key manipulation tasks I tried all appear to work without errors. What should my permissions be? |
| 05:43.49 | simonrvn | 600 and 700 iirc. sec |
| 05:43.53 | ft | EdLin: 0700 |
| 05:44.37 | ft | EdLin: 0600 for the files in .gnupg |
| 05:44.38 | simonrvn | confirmed |
| 05:44.53 | tarzeau | how can i make a textfile with 60 or so lines and no more than 40 bytes each, into two rows and 30 lines? |
| 05:45.07 | jhana | hi |
| 05:45.10 | jhana | hio |
| 05:45.10 | EdLin | simonrvn: ft: that didn't seem to help, mutt's giving me the same errors. |
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| 05:45.43 | ft | EdLin: have you set $smime_is_default or $crypt_autosmime? |
| 05:45.45 | EdLin | the funny thing is that mutt is *decrypting* email fine, it's the encrypting that doesn't work. |
| 05:45.56 | EdLin | ft: no |
| 05:46.19 | simonrvn | strange |
| 05:47.00 | ft | strange indeed |
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| 05:49.39 | EdLin | I'm apt-get installing reportbug, just in case this is in the database. |
| 05:49.46 | ft | EdLin: but you are using the PGP menu in mutt? |
| 05:49.54 | ft | by hitting 'p' |
| 05:50.19 | EdLin | ft: I'm using the SMIME selections on the send screen |
| 05:50.20 | ft | there is a SMIME menu as well, which is entered by 'S' |
| 05:50.22 | jm_ | tarzeau: something like column(1)? |
| 05:50.35 | EdLin | ft: yes, that's what I'm using |
| 05:50.40 | ft | EdLin: smime is not gpg |
| 05:50.48 | ft | EdLin: smime is not pgp |
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| 05:51.01 | EdLin | ft: ah... |
| 05:51.09 | simonrvn | ft: note i said that earlier ;) |
| 05:51.22 | ft | simonrvn: :) |
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| 05:52.20 | EdLin | ft: simonrvn: it works! Thanks. :-) |
| 05:52.27 | unix_infidel | which generally produces more heat, a desktop or a laptop? |
| 05:52.30 | simonrvn | cool |
| 05:52.35 | rredd4 | For use with kernel 2.6.x you need to enable synaptics touchpad support when configuring the kernel (CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2). How do I do this, I have 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 05:53.18 | tarzeau | jm_: thanks i forgot the ocmmand name , only remembered join |
| 05:55.25 | n0t_flan | rredd4, IIRC, the patch wasn't committed to the kernel tree until 2.6.12. |
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| 05:55.34 | n0t_flan | You'll need to patch your source or upgrade. |
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| 05:56.59 | rredd4 | n0t_flan upgrade kernel? |
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| 05:57.28 | Termih | Hi! |
| 05:57.28 | n0t_flan | rredd4, yes. I'm pretty sure that's the easiest way. |
| 05:57.50 | cmcis | hello, would someone help me with an unresolved symbol problem in some 2.4.27 kernel modules? |
| 05:58.02 | EdLin | !tell rredd4 about 2.6.14 d-i |
| 05:58.12 | EdLin | !tell rredd4 about 2.6.14 netinst |
| 05:58.19 | EdLin | grrr |
| 05:58.23 | rredd4 | lol |
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| 05:58.43 | rredd4 | c'mon .. tell me! |
| 05:58.47 | rredd4 | lol |
| 05:59.00 | newpers | ok, last question about this. to install the x.org backport, do i need to uninstall xfree86-common and xserver-xfree86 first? and what about reinstalling x-window-system-core? |
| 05:59.12 | EdLin | rredd4: there is a hacked netinst iso with a 2.6.14 kernel on it. |
| 05:59.23 | EdLin | rredd4: the url is .jp, that's all I remember |
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| 06:00.16 | ogre | I'm trying to import a gpg key for sigxcpu.org, and I get it imported but when I run apt-get update it tells me that the public key is unavailable, what am I doing wrong? |
| 06:00.36 | rredd4 | Edlin: is the xf86config-4 setup for a synaptics touchpad? without my any modifications? |
| 06:01.01 | EdLin | rredd4: I have no idea |
| 06:01.14 | EdLin | rredd4: it depends how you generate it probably |
| 06:01.18 | rredd4 | Edlin I will google the iso |
| 06:01.24 | EdLin | !drixx rredd4 |
| 06:02.03 | cshaman | Ahoy |
| 06:02.09 | EdLin | I guess you all can tell its 2AM in EDT |
| 06:02.23 | cshaman | How might I print to a printer that's on a shared Windows network? |
| 06:02.38 | jm_ | CUPS supports printing to Windows printers |
| 06:02.54 | EdLin | !drxx rredd4 |
| 06:02.54 | dpkg | rredd4: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:03.38 | rredd4 | Edlin have the info about xmd5.... |
| 06:03.46 | rredd4 | ty |
| 06:04.04 | EdLin | yw |
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| 06:11.58 | newpers | i'm trying to install xserver-xorg and it says ldconfig, start-stop-daemon, install-info, update-rc.d not found. any ideas on what i need to install? |
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| 06:12.51 | dli | newpers, pastebin your terminal (command lines && output) |
| 06:13.22 | rredd4 | how come the debian install does not ask if I have a laptop and installs the touchpad software and config it for me? |
| 06:13.35 | rredd4 | laptops have been around a while |
| 06:13.48 | newpers | dli: ok, thanks |
| 06:14.01 | dli | rredd4, I suppose it can pick up your synaptics auto |
| 06:14.02 | bibe | rredd4 : did you select "Laptop" task during install? |
| 06:14.24 | rredd4 | bibe: hmmm did not see that |
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| 06:14.41 | simonrvn | newpers: your PATH is FUBAR |
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| 06:15.23 | rredd4 | bibe: can I try again without having to start a new install? |
| 06:15.28 | bibe | rredd4 : that task gets auto-selected only if your laptop complies with some acpi parameters. Some newer laptops (mine, for instance) doesn't comply with it |
| 06:15.58 | rredd4 | bibe: I have a dell c810 |
| 06:16.13 | bibe | rredd4 : I'd suggest you to try tasksel, but I don't know it very well |
| 06:16.26 | newpers | http://pastebin.com/710902 |
| 06:17.11 | newpers | simonrvn: that may be. i haven't messed with .bash{rc,_profile}, though. I just installed |
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| 06:17.34 | rredd4 | bibe: can't hurt to try.... |
| 06:17.36 | bibe | it seems security.debian.org has problems... yesterday someone pointed an IP address |
| 06:17.54 | bibe | but of course (:-S) I didn't write it |
| 06:18.01 | stew | bibe: klecker.debian.org |
| 06:18.01 | simonrvn | newpers: echo $PATH. though it should be ok if you're doing this as root |
| 06:18.18 | bibe | stew : thank you very much |
| 06:18.24 | newpers | i am. it says /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 06:18.35 | newpers | though locate ldconfig does not find anything |
| 06:18.38 | simonrvn | you need the sbin bits too |
| 06:18.58 | simonrvn | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
| 06:19.07 | simonrvn | and /usr/games shouldn't be there |
| 06:19.09 | newpers | why didn't debian do that for me when i installed |
| 06:19.19 | simonrvn | it should have. something happened |
| 06:19.41 | newpers | haha |
| 06:19.41 | simonrvn | that looks like the default normal user PATH |
| 06:19.42 | newpers | i figured it out |
| 06:19.45 | newpers | i su -p |
| 06:19.48 | newpers | instad of su |
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| 06:19.51 | simonrvn | ah, that would do it |
| 06:19.54 | simonrvn | su - |
| 06:19.56 | newpers | let me try again |
| 06:20.04 | rredd4 | bibe: security.debian.org ... cannot apt-get update hmmmm |
| 06:20.11 | simonrvn | ' -' sets the su'ed shell as a login shell |
| 06:20.15 | simonrvn | man su |
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| 06:20.30 | newpers | i'm use to -l |
| 06:20.31 | bibe | rredd4 : I just asked it, use klecker.debian.org |
| 06:20.51 | rredd4 | klecker it is! |
| 06:20.55 | simonrvn | i'm pretty sure debian's su groks -l |
| 06:21.15 | dli | any light weight GUI cd burner? |
| 06:21.46 | simonrvn | uxterm -e cdrecord ;p |
| 06:21.50 | rredd4 | bibe: ummm it did work to security.debian.org... but was slow |
| 06:22.00 | newpers | doh! |
| 06:22.04 | rredd4 | hope klecker is faster |
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| 06:22.08 | newpers | now i get a E: Broken packages |
| 06:22.12 | punsad | dli: xcdroast (?) never used it though |
| 06:22.19 | Tallu | uhm simple question, how would i go about seeing how much bandwith is being used in total, and is there a way to monitor this per program or port? |
| 06:22.33 | damog | dli: If you find one worthwhile, please let me know |
| 06:22.39 | dli | punsad, okay :) |
| 06:22.41 | punsad | dli: gnomebaker is fairly minimalistic.. |
| 06:23.00 | Azar | tarzeau |
| 06:23.10 | tarzeau | Azar |
| 06:23.16 | dli | punsad, still gnome :( |
| 06:23.17 | tarzeau | punsad: tried graveman yet? |
| 06:23.24 | punsad | dli: yeah... |
| 06:23.29 | Azar | :) tarzeau, ever played Atari's Warlords? |
| 06:23.40 | tarzeau | Azar: not that i remember it by name. screenshots? |
| 06:23.53 | Azar | gah Id google wait |
| 06:23.55 | punsad | tarzeau: I still use k3b.. and I've got a 400MHz piece of crap |
| 06:24.05 | tarzeau | punsad: i so hate k3b. really try graveman |
| 06:24.13 | newpers | http://pastebin.com/710909 |
| 06:24.33 | punsad | tarzeau: will do... I quite like k3b, actually.. it seems to 'just work' |
| 06:24.51 | tarzeau | punsad: it doesn't just work on multiuser machines |
| 06:25.01 | tarzeau | punsad: where you don't want your users to have root rights |
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| 06:25.09 | tarzeau | punsad: same applies to gnome-baker |
| 06:25.20 | dli | tarzeau, k3b says about cdrom group |
| 06:25.21 | tarzeau | they just are so stuck into the idea one computer, one user, and the user has root |
| 06:25.32 | tarzeau | dli: it keeps asking for root passwords here |
| 06:25.46 | dli | tarzeau, and you have the cdrom group? |
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| 06:25.49 | newpers | any ideas? |
| 06:25.58 | tarzeau | dli: yes, and the user is added to that group on x login |
| 06:26.07 | tarzeau | dli: really, i've done extensive testing, it's broken |
| 06:26.17 | damog | yay, tarzeau is here |
| 06:26.20 | dli | tarzeau, oh :( I will test it out |
| 06:26.24 | tarzeau | dli: and no, we'll not setuid k3b, cdrecord or anythink like that |
| 06:26.35 | tarzeau | dli: are you the maintainer of it? then i'm willing to work on it |
| 06:26.45 | tarzeau | damog: yay, still pissed? |
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| 06:27.00 | tarzeau | damog: man if you're in mexico, you shouldn't hang on the computer/internet... |
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| 06:27.24 | voltagex | how can I make an exact (and hopefully windows compatible) disc image from a CD, from the cli? |
| 06:27.36 | tarzeau | voltagex: using readcd |
| 06:27.45 | tarzeau | voltagex: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ for an example |
| 06:27.46 | damog | tarzeau: why not? |
| 06:27.46 | dli | tarzeau, no, but I like k3b, since I'm the only user of this laptop here |
| 06:28.17 | rredd4 | Failed to fetch http://klecker.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 06:28.28 | punsad | dli: is k3b too slow for your purposes? |
| 06:28.47 | tarzeau | dli: which kernel? |
| 06:28.52 | dli | punsad, k3b is too heavy :( I'm making my liveusb |
| 06:29.42 | punsad | dli: liveusb? is that a bootable usbdrive? |
| 06:29.55 | dli | tarzeau, gentoo kernel, 2.6.16 |
| 06:30.15 | punsad | dli: oh .. ofcourse.. yes. I think DSL has some burning software, no? |
| 06:30.21 | dli | punsad, yes, bootable, for debian installation and gentoo installion, and system rescue |
| 06:30.21 | tarzeau | dli: ide burner? |
| 06:30.33 | dli | tarzeau, yes, ide |
| 06:30.40 | Azar | tarzeau: http://reviews.cnet.com/Atari_Revival_PC/4528-9696_7-30976251-10.html?tag=ssht |
| 06:30.45 | tarzeau | dli: i like the graveman -s |
| 06:31.03 | tarzeau | Azar: tried brutalchess/briquolo yet? |
| 06:31.20 | Azar | tarzeau: not yet, 3D a must? |
| 06:31.31 | Azar | tarzeau: http://reviews.cnet.com/Atari_Revival_PC/4528-9696_7-30976251-12.html?tag=ssht |
| 06:31.32 | tarzeau | Azar: yes |
| 06:31.34 | dli | tarzeau, looks good, graveman, Totals: 198 files, 50 non-files, 1.49 MB |
| 06:31.42 | Azar | tarzeau: no 3D here weak video |
| 06:31.59 | punsad | dli: I just got finished playing around with bootable usb drive.. it's neat... but I don't think I'm sold on it. There's so much variablility on how well it works on various hardware |
| 06:32.20 | Azar | tarzeau: I have a feeling there is a freelords in the works... not sure yet |
| 06:33.07 | tarzeau | Azar: looks interesting a bit like ultima? i never liked that sort of games |
| 06:33.08 | dli | punsad, I build almost everything as modules, and installed most firmwares, it should detect a lot auto, it starts X auto also |
| 06:33.34 | newpers | so, what do i need to do to fix this error http://pastebin.com/710909 |
| 06:33.45 | punsad | dli: sounds like a fun project.. sure you are learning a lot... you should consider posting a howto somewhere or something |
| 06:33.58 | Azar | tarzeau the game is simple: four castles start shooting at each other, the survivor gains |
| 06:34.05 | stray_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.34 | tarzeau | Azar: like ballerburg? |
| 06:34.39 | Azar | I was asking because we already have penguin command look at how it looked in original Atari: http://reviews.cnet.com/Atari_Revival_PC/4528-9696_7-30976251-1.html?tag=ssht |
| 06:34.40 | dli | newpers, clean up your sources.list, make up your mind with release to go, and "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 06:34.42 | tarzeau | Azar: turn based? |
| 06:35.02 | Azar | tarzeau: no, free fire you the gamer own one of the three castles |
| 06:35.13 | tarzeau | Azar: do you know the dos bomberman game, mr. boom? |
| 06:35.19 | newpers | dli: i want to go with the stable source for all things except vim, postgres, and xorg |
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| 06:35.21 | dli | punsad, I'm interested in getting an installer and reasonable system rescue, with reiser4 support |
| 06:35.26 | Azar | tarzeau, no :) |
| 06:35.29 | tarzeau | Azar: it's a pity that during 15 years of linux, no great bomberman clone was written |
| 06:35.34 | newpers | how would i set that up? |
| 06:35.36 | damog | Shit, the Firefox source package is huge. |
| 06:35.41 | tarzeau | Azar: ALL linux bombmerman suck ass in gameplay and graphics |
| 06:35.41 | newpers | and FF |
| 06:35.53 | Azar | tarzeau: I have glanced at a lot of games in linux orphaned |
| 06:36.03 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah because linux sucks ;) |
| 06:36.09 | tarzeau | Azar: unlike, for example amiga |
| 06:36.11 | damog | And Debian too. |
| 06:36.16 | tarzeau | damog: true |
| 06:36.22 | dli | punsad, I follow a good howto from gentoo, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_build_a_LiveCD_from_scratch |
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| 06:36.35 | damog | Let's all use MacOS on Intel. |
| 06:36.39 | streuner | damog: are you in .mx yet? |
| 06:36.41 | punsad | dli: I'm not a gentoo fan... never got into it... |
| 06:36.42 | Azar | its all proprietary video driver's fault |
| 06:36.44 | dli | newpers, make up your mind :( |
| 06:36.48 | damog | streuner: Yes, sir. |
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| 06:37.09 | newpers | i guess i'll use backports for everything |
| 06:37.10 | damog | streuner: Not in Oaxtepec now, though. |
| 06:37.10 | streuner | damog: here aren't any sirs ;-) |
| 06:37.13 | dli | newpers, stabel or testing, don't double cross |
| 06:37.13 | newpers | or is that not wise? |
| 06:37.20 | streuner | damog: oh, ic |
| 06:37.33 | newpers | dli: thanks for the tip |
| 06:37.36 | Azar | what :) newpers broked the packages? yay |
| 06:37.40 | EdLin | damog: it's about the same size as the mozilla suite source-code. The reason is that originally firefox (aka phoenix) was basically moz code with some features de-activated rather than written from scratch. |
| 06:37.43 | punsad | dli: do you like gentoo better than debian? if so - why? |
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| 06:38.02 | dli | punsad, I run both :) |
| 06:38.15 | Azar | that's prostitution |
| 06:38.17 | newpers | Azar: i think i got it working after dli told me to not cross |
| 06:38.21 | tarzeau | damog: or let's make debian better? |
| 06:38.21 | damog | EdLin: And probably we will start to create yet another Mozilla suite based package: Flock. |
| 06:38.22 | cheal | newpers: using backports for everything would be not wise...to say the least |
| 06:38.22 | newpers | the sources |
| 06:38.33 | damog | tarzeau: That's tiring :P |
| 06:38.36 | dli | punsad, debian on desktop in my office, and gentoo on my own laptop |
| 06:38.47 | newpers | cheal: i'm so confused. dli said not to mismatch. |
| 06:38.52 | punsad | everynow and then I feel like straying from debian... but then I decide its pointless for me and I'm just not interested enough |
| 06:38.56 | EdLin | damog: what is Flock anyway? I've heard the name before, is it free? |
| 06:39.05 | dli | newpers, listen to cheal |
| 06:39.06 | damog | EdLin: It is, yes. |
| 06:39.18 | WireDDD | so how is xorg 7 working out? |
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| 06:39.22 | Azar | newpers: I wonder why don't you stay put with stable until you learn debian rules? |
| 06:39.27 | damog | EdLin: http://www.flock.com/ |
| 06:39.29 | tarzeau | Azar: this one rocks: http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/bomberman |
| 06:39.35 | cheal | Azar: which Debian rules? |
| 06:39.42 | simonrvn | debian/rules |
| 06:39.49 | tarzeau | Azar: i'd pay a developer to port it, say one week of a sixpack beer/day |
| 06:39.56 | damog | Heh. |
| 06:39.56 | streuner | simonrvn: hehe :-) |
| 06:40.00 | dli | EdLin, flock is a mozilla clone powered by yahoo |
| 06:40.01 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 06:40.20 | EdLin | dli: that doesn't sound good. :-) |
| 06:40.20 | dli | EdLin, don't use it, use mozilla/firefox |
| 06:40.22 | damog | dli: powered by yahoo? wtf? |
| 06:40.24 | Azar | ouch sorry cheal I did not know you were here, I will be quiet |
| 06:40.45 | newpers | cheal: i'm would like to use the stable release for everything but xorg, firefox, postgresql, and lighttpd -- which i'd like to use the backports for. is this wrong? |
| 06:40.51 | Azar | wow ubi soft? such graphics? |
| 06:41.01 | tarzeau | Azar: sorry wrong url |
| 06:41.16 | dli | EdLin, I worked a little bit to make my own port of flock into gentoo ( to debian is beyond my knowledge) |
| 06:41.19 | Azar | :) I still have Myst and Raven running on an old DX |
| 06:41.25 | tarzeau | Azar: this one: the free dos one with source is called mr.boom from .fr i can't find the homepage |
| 06:41.33 | simonrvn | newpers: no, just sane(r) |
| 06:41.53 | dli | EdLin, after I found it's by Yahoo, I don't want to touch it any more |
| 06:41.53 | cheal | simonrvn: I think Henrique Moraes Holschuh has a t-shirt with that...hum :) |
| 06:41.56 | Azar | tarzeau did you read the news about linux/dos system out? |
| 06:42.02 | cheal | Azar: ha-ha |
| 06:42.07 | newpers | i just don't know how to setup my sources list so that it knows that |
| 06:42.19 | simonrvn | cheal: yeh, i've seen them (not up close, at um... thinkgeek.com? i think) |
| 06:42.32 | Azar | err GNU/Dos |
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| 06:42.50 | Azar | http://www.pikecountycomputer.com/gnudos/index.html |
| 06:42.54 | cheal | simonrvn: huuumm, thinkgeek :) thanks, it could be a present idea. |
| 06:42.56 | simonrvn | who wants DOS when you can have shell? |
| 06:43.05 | Azar | simonrvn: old games |
| 06:43.08 | tarzeau | simonrvn: nobody said anyone wants DOS |
| 06:43.21 | simonrvn | port them ;) |
| 06:43.23 | punsad | Azar: have you tried qemu to run dos? |
| 06:43.24 | Azar | I got a couple of old DOS games here |
| 06:43.26 | tarzeau | simonrvn: but for sure there's some good software for DOS that there's no equivalent port for linux for |
| 06:43.32 | tarzeau | simonrvn: if you don't have the source? |
| 06:43.32 | simonrvn | yet |
| 06:43.33 | bibe | newpers : http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/sources.list and http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/preferences |
| 06:43.34 | Azar | punsad: no, is good? |
| 06:43.35 | EdLin | Azar: you can run dosemu or dosbox to run almost any DOS game |
| 06:43.42 | simonrvn | tarzeau: qemu or something |
| 06:43.42 | Azar | ay cool |
| 06:43.45 | newpers | bibe: thank you |
| 06:43.47 | Azar | Mystic Towers |
| 06:43.47 | tarzeau | simonrvn: you mean dosbox |
| 06:43.53 | tarzeau | simonrvn: but no, it performs like shit |
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| 06:43.59 | bibe | newpers : no problem |
| 06:44.07 | punsad | Azar: I think so... and I think it's actually easy to use now.. I booted linux on my windows xp laptop... crazy. |
| 06:44.15 | tarzeau | simonrvn: besides it doesn't run without X |
| 06:44.16 | simonrvn | eh, what do i care, i don't usually play old dos games ;) |
| 06:44.22 | tarzeau | and as we know, X sucks |
| 06:44.33 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i didn't mean dos games only, i meant software generally |
| 06:44.40 | EdLin | tarzeau: dosemu runs without X, but you won't get graphics then. |
| 06:44.42 | punsad | Azar: in Linux Journal... the author boots XP on linux and installs outlook |
| 06:44.44 | bibe | newpers : beware! preferences is _mandatory_, if it's not present your system will be upgraded to sid |
| 06:45.01 | Azar | tarzeau: http://www.3drealms.com/towers/index.html |
| 06:45.02 | tarzeau | EdLin: i just want textmode. but dosemu won't run on non-i386 hardware |
| 06:45.08 | cheal | newpers: I can't say if it's wrong for you. what I can say is that I use 0 backports on my sarge system (which runs sarge since soon 1 year). the less backports you use, the less breakage and security issues you get. but I can't say if you really need the new features. needing a new firefox and a new vim looks superfluous to me |
| 06:45.23 | Azar | punsad: I do not run Windows |
| 06:45.35 | tarzeau | Azar: i do, it's great |
| 06:45.41 | simonrvn | s,outlook,lookout, |
| 06:45.47 | punsad | Azar: it was just an example :| |
| 06:45.50 | newpers | yes, a new vim is superfluous |
| 06:45.56 | Azar | I will try to see how can I emulate DOS, and install this game |
| 06:46.07 | punsad | simonrvn: that's funny... |
| 06:46.11 | cheal | newpers: as for X.org, I could understand you'd want that if XFree86 didn't support 3D acceleration for your graphics card, for example |
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| 06:46.30 | Azar | new quote please: < newpers> yes, a new vim is superfluous |
| 06:46.41 | newpers | heh |
| 06:46.48 | tarzeau | Azar: http://snow.ethz.ch/windows.png |
| 06:46.56 | bibe | newpers , cheal: I agree with cheal, I had been using sarge with backports only to get fresh versions of k9copy, ksudoku and psi |
| 06:46.57 | cheal | newpers: as for postgres 8 and lighttpd, I don't know them. you may have applications requiring them |
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| 06:47.25 | newpers | cheal: it is critical that i use 8.0 for postgres. having the latest version of lighttpd doesn't matter as much |
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| 06:48.17 | bibe | newpers : but anyway, the level of "possible instability" is definitely up to you |
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| 06:48.17 | cheal | newpers: OK. AFAIK lighttpd isn't in sarge though |
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| 06:49.39 | Azar | tarzeau, nice: mine: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/gkrellShoot_12-29-05_204053.jpg |
| 06:50.00 | Azar | no kdm, no gdm, openbox only |
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| 06:50.42 | newpers | bibe: :). how do i specify that i want postgresql to be just from sarge-backports? or is this done with apt-get -t sage-backports |
| 06:51.05 | dilku | I can't load my modprobe ide-generi |
| 06:51.14 | dilku | modprobe ide-generic |
| 06:51.27 | dilku | ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. |
| 06:51.28 | dilku | ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe |
| 06:51.28 | dilku | ide1: I/O resource 0x170-0x177 not free. |
| 06:51.28 | dilku | ide1: ports already in use, skipping probe |
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| 06:52.23 | bibe | newpers : apt-get -t sarge-backports install <postgresql-package> |
| 06:52.33 | cheal | newpers: if you don't set a default APT release, APT will prefer the latest versions |
| 06:52.51 | newpers | thanks |
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| 06:53.15 | bibe | newpers : it will install that package (and the minimum dependencies) from backports |
| 06:53.43 | dilku | I can't get modprobe ide-generic |
| 06:54.13 | newpers | bibe: apt-get update takes forver with all these sources. lol |
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| 06:54.15 | dilku | my dvd is not detecting |
| 06:54.21 | dilku | ? |
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| 06:55.05 | cheal | newpers: the best thing for you would be to start using backports where they're most needed, and evaluate if you want more after you get some experience and get an idea of how much trouble using backports means |
| 06:55.33 | newpers | ok |
| 06:55.37 | newpers | thanks |
| 06:56.31 | dilku | how can I make my dvdrom working ? |
| 06:56.53 | bibe | newpers : you can comment out unneeded sources, that's only an example I have put on my web page |
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| 06:57.12 | newpers | bibe: lol. good, because i just got an error saying Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
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| 06:57.22 | cheal | dilku: what do you mean by "I can't get modprobe ide-generic"? |
| 06:57.25 | bibe | newpers : I used to comment out Etch and Sid entries, and all deb-src lines |
| 06:57.34 | newpers | and got an error with mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_sarg... |
| 06:58.15 | simonrvn | !dynamic mmap |
| 06:58.15 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 06:58.15 | dilku | cheal, come to #flood |
| 06:58.24 | cheal | dilku: done |
| 06:59.07 | bibe | newpers : refer to www.backports.org for fresh information, I don't use sarge with backports since February (I use etch on my laptop, and sarge on all my customers' servers) |
| 06:59.17 | dilku | cheal, did U that ? |
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| 07:00.07 | dilku | cheal, My dvd is not working ? doen't detect it ? |
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| 07:00.24 | newpers | bibe: yeah, i would like to use etch, but that's not what my vps provides. and since cheal has informed me about the security and problems with using backports, i need to start thinking about things more |
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| 07:02.08 | ogre | I just installed the nvidia drivers, and everything seems to have worked correctly, but when I click on the... erm... "start" button (whatever it's called in Gnome) it just flashes the menu repetedly at me, and I can't use it launch anything. The "Places" and "Desktop" drop downs work fine, but the "applications" freaks out |
| 07:02.15 | cheal | dilku: sorry, my connection got issues. I saw what you pasted. where did you get that from? |
| 07:02.36 | dilku | dmesg |
| 07:02.54 | dli | ogre, Alt-F2 to run something |
| 07:02.59 | cheal | dilku: that happens when you loag ide-generic? |
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| 07:03.21 | ogre | wont that throw me back to console mode instead of GUI? |
| 07:03.24 | dilku | cheal, get that error in the dmegs |
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| 07:04.01 | bibe | newpers : as I told you, it's up to you. Do you need a 100% reliable system with full support to your hardware? |
| 07:04.06 | cheal | dilku: I wonder when you get these errors, but I don't think I can help you anyway |
| 07:04.12 | dli | ogre, I didn't say "Ctl-Alt-F2" :( |
| 07:04.26 | ogre | ah, gotta throw the ctl in... kk |
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| 07:04.55 | ogre | thank you |
| 07:04.59 | newpers | i need a 100% reliable system |
| 07:05.13 | halk__ | I have a booting problem... pivot_root not found |
| 07:05.15 | dli | newpers, :( |
| 07:05.19 | newpers | haha |
| 07:05.23 | halk__ | any idea? |
| 07:05.25 | cheal | heh. GNU/Linux isn't 100% reliable anyway |
| 07:05.35 | newpers | i know :P |
| 07:05.36 | cheal | ogre: and this worked well before you switched to the nvidia drivers? |
| 07:05.42 | bibe | newpers : so, use sarge and the less backports, the better |
| 07:06.15 | ogre | yeah |
| 07:06.25 | halk__ | I have Sarge testing 8-) |
| 07:06.51 | halk__ | It worked fine until I did apt-get upgrade today (after about 2 months not updating) |
| 07:06.58 | halk__ | It included some kernel updates |
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| 07:07.04 | halk__ | and now I cannot boot... |
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| 07:07.22 | cheal | halk__: how many Linux images do you have available? |
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| 07:07.33 | bibe | halk__ : Sarge testing? |
| 07:07.36 | tarzeau | there was a list of all contributors to linux kernel, where can i find that list of authors with email addresses in linux/Documentation/ ? |
| 07:07.46 | halk__ | cheal: that's what the CD says, yes... |
| 07:07.51 | halk__ | cheal: Sarge Testing. |
| 07:08.12 | cheal | halk__: sarge is not testing anymore since 2005-06-06 |
| 07:08.26 | halk__ | cheal: I have only one kernel image... and the upgrade overwrote my previous image since the date is of today |
| 07:09.17 | halk__ | cheal: at first it changed the grub setup so it tried to boot from the wrong partition |
| 07:09.26 | halk__ | cheal: that's fixed and it finds the kernel + initrd files |
| 07:09.48 | halk__ | cheal: but somehow the pivot_root command isn't found (it is in my /sbin/ directory) |
| 07:10.39 | jm_ | tarzeau: do you mean MAINTAINERS file? |
| 07:10.54 | dilku | my IDE DVD is not detected ? |
| 07:10.58 | dli | halk__, I would build my own kernel without initrd, so, pivot_root is not needed :) |
| 07:11.42 | halk__ | cheal: yeah... but I cannot boot so buildinga kernel... you know... My other systems use RH... |
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| 07:12.03 | cheal | halk__: hum. I'm not sure but I believe that error means Linux is failing to read your root partition. it doesn't seem normal that you had to touch grub |
| 07:12.10 | tarzeau | jm_: yes found it already, thank you |
| 07:12.24 | dli | halk__, boot cd with, "root=/dev/blah" |
| 07:12.28 | halk__ | cheal: now there is the story: I had problems install with the newest Sarge last year and thus I used testing (in Nov 2005) |
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| 07:12.31 | cheal | halk__: you should make sure about which Debian release you use in any case |
| 07:13.03 | dli | tarzeau, the help message in Makefile also help |
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| 07:13.27 | halk__ | cheal: I did the update with apt-get upgrade so I would imagine that it would take the proper (mostly) corresponding elements |
| 07:13.40 | halk__ | cheal: but maybe I got a "wrong" kernel |
| 07:14.08 | halk__ | cheal: lemme try the root=/dev/hde ... |
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| 07:14.36 | XSoul | hello team |
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| 07:14.43 | morsing | Hi |
| 07:14.43 | XSoul | how I can reate my own Release.gpg |
| 07:14.44 | cheal | halk__: note that dli, not me, was suggesting to use that argument. |
| 07:14.46 | XSoul | any help please |
| 07:15.17 | cheal | halk__: but I think an erroneous root argument would be a likely cause for the problem if you had issues with grub |
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| 07:16.00 | cheal | halk__: otherwise, I can only suggest to try spotting previous errors if you're fast enough :) |
| 07:16.06 | ogre | what would I need to install to see japanese text on websites? |
| 07:16.29 | jm_ | japanese fonts |
| 07:16.29 | halk__ | cheal: actually it blocks with a panik and I can do Shift-Page Up but I didn't see anything really... |
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| 07:16.44 | ogre | jm_: any font pack specifically? |
| 07:18.15 | dli | ogre: try "apt-cache search font |grep -i japanese" |
| 07:18.24 | jm_ | ogre: I have shitloads of them installed, try apt-cache search font japanese and play install&test game if you want |
| 07:18.29 | halk__ | okay... |
| 07:18.34 | ogre | kk |
| 07:18.44 | halk__ | cheal: cramfs: wrong magic |
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| 07:18.55 | dli | ogre, "apt-cache search cjk" |
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| 07:18.59 | sigjuice | hi |
| 07:19.09 | dli | halk__, your initrd is corrupted |
| 07:19.15 | halk__ | cheal: that's weird since I can mount and see all the files on the drive |
| 07:19.27 | halk__ | dli: ha... |
| 07:19.31 | sigjuice | is there an easy way to look at the changelog deltas for all the packages that got updated by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 07:19.33 | halk__ | dli: could it be the mapping? |
| 07:19.54 | dli | halk__, no interest to debug, just install kernel |
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| 07:20.16 | XSoul | any help how to make Release.gpg for may local repository ? |
| 07:20.16 | halk__ | dli: can I reinstall the kernel from the CD? |
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| 07:20.49 | dli | halk__, yes, easier with to boot with "root=" |
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| 07:21.06 | cheal | halk__: which Linux version is it? |
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| 07:21.23 | halk__ | cheal: 2.4.27 |
| 07:21.32 | dli | !dpkg tell XSoul about 2006 key |
| 07:21.40 | ogre | hey, installing that font pack made my Applications menu problem go away |
| 07:22.10 | cheal | halk__: ah, OK...hum. is it 2.4.27-2 or what? |
| 07:22.13 | halk__ | dli: "with to boot"? |
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| 07:22.22 | XSoul | <dli> hello, i need my own Release.gpg |
| 07:22.25 | halk__ | cheal: sorry, yes -2-386 |
| 07:23.00 | halk__ | cheal: when I tried 2.6 whatever it had problems with my RAID (which I don't have right now, the RAID is off, long story...) |
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| 07:23.39 | CaT[tm] | anyone know if there's a version of debs for php5 and mysqli out and about? there's something broken about the dotdeb ones. :/ |
| 07:23.59 | cheal | halk__: there were no updates to Linux 2.4 in testing since soon one year. I don't see why your kernel would have been upgraded |
| 07:24.03 | halk__ | cheal: would there be a way for me to copy just the initrd and nothing more? |
| 07:24.29 | halk__ | cheal: to copy that file from the CD that is |
| 07:24.45 | halk__ | cheal: maybe the kernel didn't change, and only the initrd changed |
| 07:24.59 | halk__ | cheal: which is why I was thinking maybe the grub mapping failed |
| 07:25.06 | cheal | halk__: ah. I don't know. |
| 07:25.20 | halk__ | cheal: or rather the old mapping is used for a new file... something like that |
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| 07:26.20 | cheal | halk__: maybe I'm being clueless, but I don't see why your initrd would have been changed neither |
| 07:26.59 | blunted | I have a labtec usb webcam, and i dont know how to make it work if somebody could point me in the right direction, i'd really appreaciate it |
| 07:27.19 | halk__ | cheal: I'm back in the shell, lemme check the dates again |
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| 07:27.59 | victori | anyone build a deb package for a library? I am having an issue where debian/rules is not including the libs from debian/tmp properly |
| 07:28.11 | halk__ | cheal: okay, that's May 11 on the initrd.img blah |
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| 07:28.54 | simonrvn | dh_install helps ;) |
| 07:29.22 | victori | simonrvn, still the debian binaries come out with no libs inside |
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| 07:29.32 | cheal | halk__: so your initrd was modified today. can you confirm which Debian release you run? Etch or Sarge |
| 07:29.44 | kristalino | what is the cleanest way to upgrade a sarge to etch ? (i only talk about what is left in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 07:29.45 | kristalino | ? |
| 07:29.51 | simonrvn | then you're doing something wrong |
| 07:29.56 | cheal | !tell kristalino about sarge->etch |
| 07:30.25 | halk__ | cheal: the initrd on the CD is 2.9 Mb, whereas the one on my hard drive is 3.9 Mb (but I dunno if the one I'm looking at on the CD would work... I can give it a try!) |
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| 07:30.42 | halk__ | cheal: I know I installed everything from that CD and that's Sarge Testing |
| 07:30.47 | victori | simonrvn, should i add dh_install? |
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| 07:31.02 | halk__ | cheal: I did not upgrade the system, only the packages with apt-get upgrade |
| 07:31.11 | cheal | halk__: as was said, Sarge isn't testing anymore since nearly a year |
| 07:31.19 | simonrvn | man dh_iinstall first |
| 07:31.23 | simonrvn | inst* |
| 07:32.00 | XSoul | how can help me pls . how I can build my own Release.gpg for my repository local |
| 07:32.09 | kristalino | thanks cheal |
| 07:32.35 | halk__ | cheal: well.. the README.txt on the CD I have says Sarge testing... maybe that's the wrong name |
| 07:33.07 | halk__ | cheal: any specific place where I could see the name? I'm not a Debian master (I've been using RH for years instead... bad me!) |
| 07:33.09 | cheal | halk__: or, it's a really old CD |
| 07:33.27 | cheal | halk__: /etc/debian_version |
| 07:34.02 | Overand | ( cat /etc/debian_version ) |
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| 07:34.51 | newpers | bibe: you still there? is there a way to get the policy info by source type? like apt-cache -t testing policy packagename |
| 07:36.07 | bibe | newpers : no, apt-cache policy packagename shows which version(s) are available |
| 07:36.11 | EdLin | newpers: it should display all the repositories |
| 07:36.26 | newpers | it's just showing one |
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| 07:36.35 | halk__ | cheal: it says: testing/unstable |
| 07:36.57 | newpers | ohh.. that's because it's 8.0 elsewhere |
| 07:37.04 | halk__ | cheal: so maybe it was upgraded to a different distro right when installed it (a friend who knows Debian much better helped to install) |
| 07:37.20 | bibe | XSoul : http://wiki.debian.org/apt06. But please, try /msg dpkg asking |
| 07:37.49 | cheal | halk__: if you run Etch, you should have a dpkg log in /var/log/dpkg* that will let you see what upgrades happened recently |
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| 07:38.27 | brownie17 | how can i get sarge r1 now that r2 is out? |
| 07:38.54 | cheal | brownie17: would you explaining the interest of getting r1 now? |
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| 07:39.00 | cheal | s/you/you mind |
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| 07:39.34 | brownie17 | cheal, i have a slow internet connection, i only have one ISO left to go an i don't wanna have to download them all again |
| 07:40.04 | simonrvn | no need. just update from what you have now |
| 07:40.05 | cheal | brownie17: heh. are you trying to download a full set (about 14) of Debian CDs? |
| 07:40.15 | brownie17 | cheal, yes |
| 07:40.21 | dli | brownie17, order DVDs online |
| 07:40.40 | brownie17 | dli, no credit card, can't be bothered waiting for postage |
| 07:40.53 | cheal | brownie17: are you planning to do a large number of Debian installations? |
| 07:41.05 | brownie17 | cheal, no. just one |
| 07:41.20 | dli | brownie17, then, just do netinstall |
| 07:41.46 | cheal | brownie17: then getting all CDs is a doubtful idea. you probably want 1 or 2 at maximum |
| 07:41.48 | brownie17 | dli, well i've already downloaded like 12 of the cd's |
| 07:42.04 | blunted | only need the first one |
| 07:42.08 | blunted | maybe the second |
| 07:42.10 | brownie17 | cheal, seriously? crap. i wondered why there were so many. if i install the first two, will it be usable? |
| 07:42.12 | sep | brownie17, use the first one, |
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| 07:42.38 | cheal | brownie17: yes. for the rest of the software, let APT fetch what you need from the Internet |
| 07:42.42 | dli | brownie17, you should read before downloading :( |
| 07:42.46 | brownie17 | does the installation have support for destroying partitions and formatting drives? |
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| 07:43.07 | sep | brownie17, debian includes more software then you will ever need. usualy you just use cd1 and get the rest from apt-get as you need it. youll most likely never need cd 2-> |
| 07:43.17 | brownie17 | dli, i will next time. i tried asking in here about it but it was busy and no-one seemed to be able to explain that i didn't need 14 cd's |
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| 07:43.38 | blunted | how much hd space does 14 cds take up |
| 07:43.44 | blunted | if you dont mind |
| 07:43.52 | brownie17 | blunted, lol, like over 7 gig or something |
| 07:43.59 | WireDDD | how big are the cds? |
| 07:44.04 | blunted | dang |
| 07:44.09 | brownie17 | WireDDD, abou 600 meg |
| 07:44.31 | cheal | !dstats sarge |
| 07:44.34 | brownie17 | is debian as simple to install as ubuntu? |
| 07:44.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1471 maintainers, 28170 MB installed size, 8869 MB compressed size. |
| 07:44.43 | dli | brownie17, you should read debian docs |
| 07:44.50 | halk__ | cheal: okay, I have the log, I'm searching for anything in link with grub & co. |
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| 07:45.11 | sep | brownie17, now consider that each of the cd is packed with compressed files. imagine the amounth of software avaiable and how much space it would accupy if it all were extracted on a harddrive :) |
| 07:45.20 | WireDDD | who is going to do a full install of sarge? |
| 07:45.25 | brownie17 | sep, yeah, you;re right |
| 07:45.28 | cheal | halk__: OK. just get an idea of what happened in your last upgrade |
| 07:46.05 | brownie17 | so if i just install the first cd of R1, will it be easy to upgrade to r2? |
| 07:46.11 | sep | bronze, yes |
| 07:46.15 | sep | brownie17, yes |
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| 07:46.32 | brownie17 | sep, what command would it be? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 07:46.58 | sep | brownie17, yes. assuming you'v already set your sources correctyl and aptitude update |
| 07:47.00 | bibe | brownie17 : yes, it should upgrade libc6 packages, among many others |
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| 07:47.18 | sep | brownie17, or even better. read the release notes of r2 :) |
| 07:47.26 | dli | brownie17, root login, save the sudo part |
| 07:48.13 | brownie17 | dli, ubuntu EXP's recommend not logging in as root, but just using sudo all the time |
| 07:48.35 | sep | brownie17, i'd recoment using sudo, it's a good practive to not login as root for all minor tasks on all linux's |
| 07:48.36 | blunted | thats why tehy use ubuntu |
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| 07:48.52 | brownie17 | bibe, does the install proccess include support for destroying partitions and formatting hard drives? |
| 07:49.00 | voltagex | I need help with courier on debian but #courier is dead |
| 07:49.03 | sep | it's just a mindset, ubuntu tries to enforce it for some reason |
| 07:49.07 | bibe | yes |
| 07:49.30 | sep | voltagex, hunt for whitespaces behind your configlines :] |
| 07:49.39 | mustard5 | brownie17, the installer looks pretty much the same as the ubuntu installer for the most part. |
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| 07:49.55 | voltagex | sep: omg, it worries about whitespaces? |
| 07:50.09 | mustard5 | brownie17, or rather ubuntu uses a modified debian installer :) |
| 07:50.13 | voltagex | sep: I haven't actually edited the configs since debian created them |
| 07:50.15 | bibe | sep : except that for a couple of versions the "superuser" password was stored in cleartext somewhere... ;) |
| 07:50.47 | sep | versions ? of sudo ? |
| 07:51.02 | dli | mustard5, does etch has a GUI installer? |
| 07:51.17 | halk__ | cheal: what about kernel-package 10.045 ? |
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| 07:52.05 | cheal | halk__: that shouldn't affect your initrd, but it confirms you're running etch/testing |
| 07:52.13 | halk__ | cheal: and grub 0.97 ... |
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| 07:52.37 | voltagex | courier refuses to send mail to external addresses, local mail is fine... and the ALLOW lines are correct |
| 07:52.41 | ejdolf | Is there any program that forwards http-requests depending on what hostname is in the request? |
| 07:52.48 | mustard5 | dli, I'm not sure what I would define as a gui installer really :) |
| 07:52.49 | cheal | halk__: ah. grub would be more likely, but I don't know. |
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| 07:53.20 | sep | voltagex, what do the boucnes say ? |
| 07:53.21 | dli | mustard5, GUI uses mouse also, if you couldn't use mouse, it's not gui |
| 07:53.35 | mustard5 | dli, ah ok..well I didnt use the mouse when installing etch |
| 07:54.17 | voltagex | sep: hang on, testing again |
| 07:54.18 | bibe | sep : versions of ubuntu... I was commenting ubuntu's forcing of using sudo |
| 07:54.18 | cheal | halk__: anyway, it's getting late, and I don't think I can help you much more. check your /etc/fstab against your /boot/grub/menu.lst. maybe someone else can help you more if you can't figure it out |
| 07:54.20 | ejdolf | e.g. I have two servers running webservers on port 80 (a.com and b.com) behind a firewall, the firewall forwards all requests to a proxy that forwards the connections to the correct destination |
| 07:54.41 | ejdolf | is there a http-proxy that can do that? |
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| 07:55.47 | lss | Hi, how do i network my linux boxes? |
| 07:55.53 | sep | ejdolf, you are doing it. you should know |
| 07:55.57 | voltagex | sep: you're gonna hate me now... it works fine |
| 07:56.00 | lss | I've connected them via cable, but ineed to transfer my files over |
| 07:56.09 | ejdolf | well the example was how I want it... not how it is setup now |
| 07:56.16 | dli | lss, be specific |
| 07:56.45 | lss | dli, It's quite simple, I just need to setup a shared folder so I can copy my files over from one to another |
| 07:56.52 | nzerox | does anyone know the link to the site that tells u how to install acrobat,java,flash etc ? |
| 07:57.00 | sep | lss, easier with scp |
| 07:57.12 | lss | sep, what's scp, and how do I access it? |
| 07:57.18 | Rothgar` | liable: The system seems good now that it has finished sync'ing the RAID |
| 07:57.19 | cheal | nzerox: there's one site that does that? |
| 07:57.26 | cheal | !tell nzerox about u |
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| 07:57.31 | cheal | !tell nzerox about java |
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| 07:57.33 | nzerox | cheal, yep there is |
| 07:57.34 | cheal | !tell nzerox about flash |
| 07:57.39 | sep | lss, if you _must_ mount them use nfs. |
| 07:57.41 | Rothgar` | Why doesn't my apg-get install openssh-server work? |
| 07:57.52 | Rothgar` | apt* |
| 07:57.58 | sep | lss man scp |
| 07:58.00 | halk__ | cheal: thanks 8-) it's 1am here... |
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| 07:58.05 | nzerox | cheal, thanks |
| 07:58.08 | dli | Rothgar`, it's called ssh, I think |
| 07:58.16 | halk__ | cheal: it's just hard to go to bed with such a problem! |
| 07:58.23 | cheal | halk__: hehe |
| 07:58.51 | cheal | Rothgar`: we don't know how you define work. maybe you forgot to pay it? |
| 07:58.55 | lss | sep, what's "msn scp" mean? |
| 07:58.59 | lss | man* |
| 07:59.25 | mustard5 | lss, it means type 'man scp' in terminal |
| 07:59.32 | Rothgar` | dli: That seems to have worked, thanks |
| 07:59.36 | mustard5 | lss, that will open the manual for scp |
| 08:00.08 | lss | mustard5, i was hoping for something quick and sharpish |
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| 08:00.19 | sep | lss, scp is quick and sharpish |
| 08:00.24 | cat | hey can someone help me out to setup my nvidia card please |
| 08:00.30 | lss | mustard5, Are you telling me i have to read this huge manual just to copy some files over my linux boxes!? |
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| 08:00.50 | mustard5 | lss, I'm not telling you anything..I'm answering your question on what 'man scp' means :) |
| 08:00.50 | cheal | cat: if you detail what you need help with, perhaps |
| 08:01.03 | rohan | apt cache policy python2.4 shows version as 2.4.3 , wheres as typing python2.4 on terminal shows "2.4.4c0" ... why is that ? |
| 08:01.08 | apt | rohan: what are you talking about? |
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| 08:01.22 | sep | lss, do your network have a dhcp server. are your linux's online. if not you must configure the netowrk first read something like http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 08:01.24 | rohan | apt: apt-cache |
| 08:01.25 | apt | apt-cache is probably a tool for querying the package cache in various ways, like searching for arbitrary text, showing full descriptions, showing dependencies. 'man apt-cache', or too see where package comes from (stable, testing, unstable...), apt-cache policy <package_name> and apt-cache show <package_name>, or apt-cache showpkg to search for reverse ... |
| 08:01.34 | rohan | apt: hehe, i didnt mean to highlight you |
| 08:01.35 | cat | cheal: pearhaps i've try downloading the drivers with apt-get install and my x isn't working when i do modprobe nvidia it's giving me this error FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 08:01.42 | cat | I'm not sure what else to do |
| 08:01.58 | sep | lss, you can do scp --help for a short version if you want to |
| 08:02.02 | nzerox | thanks guys, be back for more help after work, lol |
| 08:02.07 | cheal | cat: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia*; output? |
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| 08:02.31 | morsing | Hi brownie17 |
| 08:02.44 | rohan | apt: are you a bot ?! |
| 08:02.47 | sep | lss, its basicaly as easy as scp /from other.pc.ip.addr:/to but reading the manpage would tell you that |
| 08:02.50 | cat | cheal: | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 08:02.50 | cat | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
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| 08:03.38 | cheal | cat: nothing else? if there's more than 2 lines, you should paste elsewhere |
| 08:03.38 | lss | sep, how would i find out what my laptops address is? (My laptop is running mepis, while my desktop ~ ubuntu) |
| 08:03.38 | brownie17 | morsing, |
| 08:03.41 | brownie17 | morsing, hi |
| 08:03.50 | cat | cheal: yeah let me pasted it in #flood |
| 08:04.07 | cheal | apt: what are you? |
| 08:04.08 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 08:04.09 | brownie17 | does the debian cd1 contain an IRC client? |
| 08:04.18 | jm_ | brownie17: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 08:04.42 | dli | brownie17, I think so, ircii at least |
| 08:04.54 | cat | done cheal |
| 08:04.58 | brownie17 | jm_, is limewire in the repos anywhere? if you know it could save me a long time searching for it |
| 08:05.10 | cheal | cat: heh. output wasn't part of the command :) |
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| 08:05.17 | cat | oh ok |
| 08:05.20 | sep | lss, then you are in the wrong irc channel use irc channel #mepis or #ubuntu |
| 08:05.23 | cheal | cat: which Linux image do you use? |
| 08:05.24 | brownie17 | dli, is ircii a client name or a protocol name? |
| 08:05.36 | jm_ | brownie17: I have no idea, p.d.o doesn't find it |
| 08:05.41 | cat | you mean what kernel I'm using? |
| 08:05.51 | cheal | cat: yes |
| 08:05.52 | dli | brownie17, ircii is a console irc client |
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| 08:05.56 | cat | 2.6.14-2-k7 |
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| 08:06.11 | DoktorPsy | hi all again |
| 08:06.39 | cheal | cat: hum...are you sure about that? what does $ uname -r; output? |
| 08:06.55 | cat | dude I'm using that kernel |
| 08:06.58 | cat | it's a backport kernel |
| 08:07.00 | cat | from sarge |
| 08:07.40 | cheal | cat: OK. did you build an nvidia kernel module package for that Linux image? |
| 08:07.47 | cat | nope |
| 08:07.50 | cat | how can i build one/ |
| 08:07.57 | cheal | cat: you need to |
| 08:08.01 | cheal | !tell cat about ng |
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| 08:08.06 | cheal | ugh |
| 08:08.09 | cheal | !tell cat about ngd |
| 08:08.13 | rohan | hey, whats with this new DiffIndex and all in apt ? |
| 08:08.40 | brownie17 | can someone tell me where i can see some screenshots of debian in action? |
| 08:08.41 | cheal | rohan: it's cool? |
| 08:09.04 | rohan | cheal: you saw it ? if it means not downloading 4mb lists each time, its UBER COOL |
| 08:09.19 | cheal | brownie17: look for a link in the Wikipedia article |
| 08:09.26 | brownie17 | cheal, thanks |
| 08:09.55 | cheal | rohan: I didn't use it yet, but am eager too. yet, it's that cool |
| 08:10.07 | cheal | s/yet/yes |
| 08:10.13 | rohan | cheal: where can i read more about it ? |
| 08:10.18 | mustard5 | darn..I've done nothing to my system and synaptic has just decided to start segfaulting...grrrrr |
| 08:10.46 | cheal | rohan: hum...not sure what you want to read about it. I remember Anthony Towns blogged about that some time ago |
| 08:11.22 | rohan | cheal: ok, i will find it, but if you find it please link ! |
| 08:11.48 | rohan | muhahhaha ubuntu's apt wont have it ! :D |
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| 08:12.32 | DoktorPsy | hi all |
| 08:12.43 | DoktorPsy | somody can help with Intel IPMI |
| 08:12.45 | DoktorPsy | ? |
| 08:13.58 | cheal | rohan: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/10/16#2005-10-16-tiffani |
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| 08:14.08 | cheal | rohan: doubtful |
| 08:14.14 | rohan | cheal: cant find it here -- http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/ |
| 08:14.24 | rohan | oh ok |
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| 08:15.25 | blunted | can someone tell me wtf is with my locales? |
| 08:15.49 | blunted | Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library |
| 08:15.55 | blunted | says that |
| 08:16.04 | blunted | says other stuff too when i run perl and stuff |
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| 08:16.13 | bibe | blunted : tried with dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 08:16.16 | EdLin | blunted: are you running sid? |
| 08:16.21 | sep | brownie17, you can make debian look just like you want to depending on what window manager you run it's more sane to look at the various window manager screenshots get a list of available managers by /msg dpkg window manager |
| 08:16.44 | blunted | i dunno |
| 08:17.03 | blunted | i didnt try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:17.30 | blunted | what do the locales do anyways? |
| 08:17.41 | jm_ | info libc -> locales |
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| 08:18.21 | blunted | does it have stuff to do with langauges? |
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| 08:19.02 | Irrumator | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.07 | jm_ | that too |
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| 08:19.24 | blunted | fluxbox ftw |
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| 08:20.12 | Rothgar` | Hmm, my Debian box isn't registering in DNS |
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| 08:21.08 | rohan | well, will etch have this new ub3r c00l apt with pdiffs, when it is realeased ? |
| 08:21.27 | aeronadix | !kernel |
| 08:21.30 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16.16, prepatch: 2.6.17-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.17-rc3-git18, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.17-rc3-mm1 |
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| 08:22.21 | chealer9 | rohan: if the latest upload transitions to Etch, yes |
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| 08:24.43 | trueno | I've got a strange problem with wmanagers and wdm: I can start wmanagers (wmaker, for instance) if I run #X and then start the wmanager (wmaker -display :0) as root or normal usr. However, if I use wdm it can't load the ... |
| 08:24.43 | trueno | wmanager after successful logon (it reloads the wdmLogin again). Any clue? Where could I find more? |
| 08:25.09 | Rothgar` | Any ideas why my Debian box isn't talking to my DNS server? |
| 08:25.19 | Rothgar` | It can't resolve other machiens either |
| 08:25.24 | Rothgar` | machines* |
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| 08:25.47 | trueno | Rothgar`: did you check resolv.conf properly? |
| 08:25.47 | Nz17 | I need some help with programming. |
| 08:25.56 | Rothgar` | /etc/resolv.conf contains "nameserver 192.168.50.254" my DNS server |
| 08:26.06 | Nz17 | I need to output a file in a binary format, but I don't know how. |
| 08:26.20 | jm_ | what binary format? |
| 08:26.25 | brownie17 | Nz17, are you writing in C++? |
| 08:26.30 | Nz17 | I have the "schematic" for the binary, how it should look in hexadecimal, but I don't know how to generate it. |
| 08:26.33 | mustard5 | I feel empowered |
| 08:26.38 | brownie17 | mustard5, go mustard5! |
| 08:26.48 | mustard5 | brownie17, :) |
| 08:26.49 | Nz17 | Dreamcast icon > http://mc.pp.se/dc/vms/icondata.html |
| 08:27.01 | chealer9 | mustard5: won't you at least share the solution? |
| 08:27.09 | trueno | Rothgar`: Have you checked your DNS server iptables? |
| 08:27.17 | Nz17 | I am not currently writing it, but I am open to C++/Python/C, in that order. |
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| 08:27.53 | mustard5 | well I still had a few packages sitting in /var/apt/cache/archives, so I installed apt and apt-utils again using dpkg :) |
| 08:28.03 | Nz17 | So yeah, in a nutshell I want to write a program that outputs a binary in a specific format to create an icon on a Dreamcast VMU. |
| 08:28.15 | Rothgar` | trueno: I tried to ping it from the DNS server |
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| 08:28.24 | Nz17 | Eventually I'd like to grow this program to convert PNGs to this icon format. |
| 08:28.41 | chealer9 | mustard5: what? apt wasn't installed? |
| 08:28.54 | Nz17 | But I don't know how to do that, so I turn to the smart men and women of #Debian. |
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| 08:29.19 | mustard5 | chealer9, yeah..it was installed..it just started segfaulting for no reason that I can think of |
| 08:29.24 | jm_ | can't access that URL, no idea about the format you're referring to |
| 08:29.48 | pinky | Okay so, I was catching up on Slashdot and I saw this story: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/05/1215217 |
| 08:30.05 | chealer9 | mustard5: and you solved it by reinstallig apt/apt-utils? |
| 08:30.07 | pinky | Does the new Java license make it so it can be included in Debian as a package? |
| 08:30.25 | mustard5 | chealer9, well not quite...its segfaulting again. :) |
| 08:30.28 | pinky | I mean, it's still not Free Software, so it wouldn't be in main, but perhaps non-free? |
| 08:30.44 | trueno | Rothgar`: ?? |
| 08:30.45 | jm_ | pinky: do you see it being included? |
| 08:30.46 | mustard5 | chealer9, I had it temporarily running until I started synaptic up and it crashed |
| 08:30.48 | chealer9 | mustard5: OK, that's pretty much what I expected |
| 08:31.01 | mustard5 | chealer9, I'm back to working on it |
| 08:31.05 | pinky | jm_: Umm, well, this happened very recently |
| 08:31.23 | pinky | jm_: But I myself haven't taken a look at the new license agreement |
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| 08:31.38 | mustard5 | chealer9, any thought on the situation? |
| 08:31.50 | chealer9 | mustard5: which release do you run? |
| 08:32.03 | pinky | ANd I don't know enough about the current situation as to why it's not already in non-free... |
| 08:32.06 | mustard5 | chealer9, etch |
| 08:32.15 | jm_ | pinky: are you referring to Sun Community License? |
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| 08:32.37 | chealer9 | mustard5: is apt-index-watcher installed? |
| 08:32.45 | pinky | jm_: If that is the license the GNU/Linux binary for the official Sun JRE and JDK, then yes. |
| 08:33.01 | mustard5 | chealer9, I'll check .. |
| 08:33.14 | pinky | jm_: Have you seen the /. story I linked to? Do you happen to know if this changes the situation (TFA made it seem like it's a drastic change) |
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| 08:34.30 | lecon | hi!can anyone help me wirth my sound? |
| 08:34.50 | blunted | whats wrong with your sound |
| 08:35.13 | lecon | ok, I#ve got a pro-usb system (swissonic) |
| 08:35.18 | pinky | jm_: Apparently it's called the "Binary Code License Agreement" and it restricts distribution of "additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the Software" which affects gcj and GNU Classpath |
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| 08:35.41 | lecon | it appears in the driver setting but no sound is audible |
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| 08:35.43 | jm_ | pinky: ok then Debian Java FAQ doesn't cover it |
| 08:35.43 | Rothgar` | My resolv.conf contains "search" and "nameserver 192.168.50.254" do I need to specify some bs search in order for it to work or what? |
| 08:36.27 | pinky | jm_: Right, I've read that and I don't have my question answered still. Like I said, this apparently is a very recent development and I'm not sure what the differences are now. |
| 08:36.42 | jm_ | Rothgar`: you can instruct nslookup/host commands to use particular DNS server, so you can test and rule out resolv.conf issues |
| 08:37.19 | mustard5 | chealer9, I don't think it is |
| 08:37.31 | Rothgar` | jm_: There is no nslookup O.o |
| 08:37.36 | jm_ | pinky: yeah, quick search hasn't found anything relevant |
| 08:37.41 | jm_ | Rothgar`: noticed /host? |
| 08:37.52 | chealer9 | mustard5: heh. missing synaptic seems hard :-P do you use GNOME? |
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| 08:38.10 | mustard5 | chealer9, I'm on xfce4 atm |
| 08:38.40 | pinky | jm_: The article is here: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Sun_to_make_Java_more_Linux_friendly/0,2000061733,39255431,00.htm |
| 08:38.41 | mustard5 | chealer9, dpkg seems to be working |
| 08:38.43 | Rothgar` | jm_: "host" binary? That doesn't exist either |
| 08:38.53 | mustard5 | chealer9, so I guess I can manually install again |
| 08:39.03 | chealer9 | mustard5: which synaptic version do you use? |
| 08:39.04 | jm_ | Rothgar`: /msg dpkg installit |
| 08:39.28 | Kerr | what is the command that lets ya' change the amount of hdd space reserved for root? |
| 08:39.38 | jm_ | tune2fs |
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| 08:40.11 | pinky | While I think that the eventual open sourcing of Sun's JDK is inevitable (as well as the libraries), it is a possibility that this new license could allow it to be bundled as a Debian package *now*, even if it is non-free at this point in time. |
| 08:40.14 | mustard5 | chealer9, I'm assuming this version.. synaptic_0.57.9_i386.deb from whats in my archive cache |
| 08:40.20 | jm_ | pinky: ahh details are not known yet |
| 08:41.32 | trueno | Rothgar`: jm_ I would start checking connectivity (with nmap) and then nslookup. In resolv.conf you just need the nameserver lines |
| 08:42.03 | chealer9 | mustard5: I don't know then. I'd need a backtrace |
| 08:42.28 | mustard5 | chealer9, hmm k...no experience with doing backtraces :) |
| 08:42.47 | Rothgar` | Ok, I have "host" now, I can't seem to apt-get nslookup |
| 08:43.02 | jm_ | host is enough, use host -dd foo |
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| 08:43.15 | Rothgar` | I tried host --server=192.168.50.254 dcclient2 which didn't work and -A dcclient2 which also didn't work |
| 08:43.22 | Rothgar` | Is that the correct usage? |
| 08:43.32 | mustard5 | chealer9, what do you think are my chances if I purge with dpkg and install again? |
| 08:44.10 | Rothgar` | Hmm returned no answers interesting |
| 08:44.27 | chealer9 | mustard5: purge synaptic? maybe 1% |
| 08:44.39 | mustard5 | chealer9, hehe |
| 08:44.46 | mustard5 | chealer9, not looking good then :) |
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| 08:45.33 | Coweater | anyone know how to force gnome to spawn windows on the currently focused monitor? |
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| 08:46.42 | mustard5 | chealer9, well it was an interesting experiment with installing base install and then netinstall..I've got four other operating systems to fall back on I suppose |
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| 08:46.59 | entuall | hello |
| 08:47.05 | mustard5 | chealer9, I had just become so attached to my dirst debian install :D |
| 08:47.09 | mustard5 | *first |
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| 08:47.46 | chealer9 | mustard5: anyway, I go to sleep now |
| 08:47.47 | trueno | Rothgar`: nslookup domain.com -serverip |
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| 08:49.37 | Agrajag- | i have a box that has a load that's constantly around 1, but top shows nothing much using the cpu at all - what else can i use to figure this out? |
| 08:50.17 | jm_ | load is not just about CPU usage |
| 08:50.25 | Agrajag- | i know what load is |
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| 08:50.48 | jm_ | really? so how come you don't know what to look for then? |
| 08:50.49 | Rothgar` | Where can I see the DNS table? |
| 08:51.04 | trueno | Goota go, bye! |
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| 08:51.08 | Agrajag- | jm_: because i don't know what tools to use to look? |
| 08:51.35 | jm_ | Agrajag-: ok, so ask about what you want to look for and someone will tell you |
| 08:53.35 | Agrajag- | ok, i want to look for which processes are having to waiting to run, and which processes are using the cpu causing others to wait to run |
| 08:54.08 | jm_ | ps shows process states |
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| 08:56.29 | sep | Agrajag-, load can come from other things then cpu too. eg disk access or network access. if top shows a lot of idle cpu look at the other issues |
| 08:56.43 | jm_ | but he knows that |
| 08:56.52 | crazy_penguin | hi! |
| 08:56.59 | sep | jm_, humm your raigth so he said |
| 08:57.02 | sep | rigth |
| 08:57.18 | crazy_penguin | may i ask an off topic question, related to debian? |
| 08:57.58 | sep | crazy_penguin, if it's off topic ... no if its related to debian yes :) |
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| 09:01.17 | crazy_penguin | i'm writting an article in a local IT publication and i want to know (for documentation purposes) what are thinking the people using debian about other debian or almost debian distro forks like kubuntu/ubuntu. please give me an answer i need a first hand information not something from blogs or forums. thank you |
| 09:01.40 | liable | whats with DiffIndex and apt? i vaguely remember reading somewhere about starting to use diffs to save bandwidth. the changelog isnt very talkative |
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| 09:02.15 | EdLin | !based on debian |
| 09:02.15 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:02.30 | datten_ | Einen wunderschönen guten Morgen wünsche ich Euch liebe Gemeinde |
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| 09:02.31 | jm_ | liable: someone gave this URL earlier, not a lot of info -- http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/10/16#2005-10-16-tiffani |
| 09:02.39 | crazy_penguin | ok |
| 09:02.41 | liable | jm_: thanks |
| 09:02.41 | crazy_penguin | thx |
| 09:02.44 | simonrvn | pdiff. diffs of Packages files |
| 09:02.48 | liable | crazy_penguin: they have there place |
| 09:02.57 | sep | crazy_penguin, there will be as many opinions as there are users of debian. |
| 09:02.58 | simonrvn | liable: ^^ |
| 09:03.15 | liable | simonrvn: yeah, saw that bit, thought thats what it was, just doesnt say much about it. |
| 09:03.17 | simonrvn | sep: get 12 people into a room and come out with 13 opinions |
| 09:03.19 | crazy_penguin | ok |
| 09:03.30 | crazy_penguin | thank you very much guys |
| 09:03.32 | sep | simonrvn, hehe :) |
| 09:03.38 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:03.47 | liable | crazy_penguin: ie ubuntu seems to be attracting a lot of new linux users, due to its usability |
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| 09:04.19 | simonrvn | what? debian's not usable? |
| 09:04.24 | simonrvn | *grin* |
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| 09:05.05 | simonrvn | well, most people don't end up in a situation where they're forced onto the CL ;) |
| 09:05.08 | sep | simonrvn, debian is usable, ubuntu is usable for people with man page phobia |
| 09:05.11 | simonrvn | from say one |
| 09:05.13 | tarzeau | if you're ever very bored |
| 09:05.17 | tarzeau | http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/photos/ |
| 09:05.17 | simonrvn | day* |
| 09:05.19 | EdLin | crazy_penguin: Debian lets you build the system you need, while most of the larger "debian-based" distros do the selecting for you, that's a basic difference. |
| 09:06.00 | simonrvn | i still like my pretty themes though :) |
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| 09:06.48 | simonrvn | sep: eh, man pages are often written for people who have a basic knowledge - at least the linux ones. the bsd ones are nicer |
| 09:07.28 | tarzeau | simonrvn: some man pages feel like they were only written so the software can be in debian and satisfy lintian |
| 09:08.01 | simonrvn | some are. :| |
| 09:08.07 | Tallu | Could anyone point me to a nice linux tutorial? I mean I just installed debian and got irssi and apache running, but that's where my knowledge ends. I don't even fully understand the logic in the filestructure, where to look for certain pieces of information and so on |
| 09:08.20 | tarzeau | Tallu: wiki.debian.org |
| 09:08.27 | tarzeau | !doc |
| 09:08.27 | dpkg | it has been said that doc is ...files are now stored under /usr/share/doc, or see documentation, or apt-cache search -- "-doc$" |
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| 09:08.33 | sep | !tell Tallu abotu reference |
| 09:08.53 | EdLin | Tallu: the filesystem layout is in "man hier" |
| 09:09.00 | sep | !reference |
| 09:09.00 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 09:09.07 | liable | Tallu: have a read of the debian reference. good start, then check out the docs section at debian.org |
| 09:09.37 | Tallu | Cheers, that's exactly what I was going for.. just didn't fully know what would be the best 'first-read' |
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| 09:10.37 | Tallu | EdLin: thanks! |
| 09:10.54 | migiel | i've got a server colocated, but suddently it appears to be down, weird thing is, it's ports are still open, but all connections are timing out... could this be something like a kernel crash.. or.. ? |
| 09:10.54 | EdLin | Tallu: you're welcome |
| 09:11.25 | Tallu | This all should keep me occupied for a while without asking newbie questions that are answered there, heh. :) |
| 09:11.31 | sep | migiel, or anything else. eg a full disk |
| 09:11.51 | sep | Tallu, is also a good read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 09:12.01 | migiel | sep: last time i checked the diskspace i had over 30 gig free space.. |
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| 09:12.32 | sep | migiel, having us sit on irc gussing to what the problem can be must be the least effective way of solution tho :) |
| 09:12.42 | migiel | true |
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| 09:12.45 | jethro | migiel: why don't you call on site support? |
| 09:12.58 | migiel | i did |
| 09:13.00 | migiel | it's already rebooted |
| 09:13.03 | migiel | and online again |
| 09:13.11 | migiel | but it's weird, because i didnt had any problems since december |
| 09:13.29 | sep | migiel, read it's logs |
| 09:13.33 | jethro | migiel: now go have a look at the logs on your server, to see if you can find anything related to the problem |
| 09:13.40 | migiel | ok, good idea |
| 09:13.44 | Rothgar` | I can't figure out this DNS problem, seems the router isn't storing DNS names :| |
| 09:13.56 | Rothgar` | It's forwarding quite fine though to get external resolving |
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| 09:14.52 | migiel | sep, jethro: which log file should i check, nothing weird in syslog.. |
| 09:15.25 | sep | migiel, _all_ of them ofcouse |
| 09:15.27 | jethro | migiel: messages, kern.log, syslog .. I can't really tell unless I know your syslog configuration. |
| 09:15.32 | sep | migiel, what a silly question |
| 09:15.50 | migiel | well, i've checked all those |
| 09:15.55 | migiel | nothing weird |
| 09:16.03 | sep | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable :) |
| 09:17.16 | butch | Multihead question: Does anyone know how to get both of the following: Be able to drag windows from one monitor to the other _and_ be able to switch virtual desktops at both monitors indipendently? Currently it is: Dragging fine with Xinerama,indipendent switching fine without Xinerama. |
| 09:17.28 | jethro | sep: I think the fable should have bits about smartasses too |
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| 09:18.04 | sep | jethro, it's a wiki. edit away |
| 09:18.18 | jethro | sep: mind if I quote you there? :D |
| 09:18.46 | sep | jethro, quote away :) i dont take myself very seriously |
| 09:18.52 | jethro | good thing. |
| 09:18.52 | sep | nobody else should either |
| 09:18.56 | sep | :) |
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| 09:19.26 | sep | butch, humm you cant i think |
| 09:19.34 | sep | i live without xinerama |
| 09:19.36 | zu22 | i have a dormant debian install (was sid at the time) i haven't touched in almost a year and would like to get up to date, what steps are involved? also is it worth upgrading from 2.4.18 kernel to something newer or not since my laptop is over 4 years old (P3/750MHz)? |
| 09:19.53 | sep | cant draw between the monitors but i solve that by opening it where i want it in the firstplace |
| 09:20.31 | kgoetz | hi all. i want to install unison 2.10.2 on a Debian Sarge box. i asume i have to compile it myself though. will a 'apt-get builddep' and download the source tar suffice, or is there a recomended way? |
| 09:20.58 | jethro | zu22: for the kernel part of your question, yes, you should upgrade. new kernel versions not only provide support for newer hardware, they also fix security vulnerability or functionnality bugs. |
| 09:20.59 | butch | sep: My current setup is like that currently, too. But from time to time I "need" to drag windows. |
| 09:21.00 | kgoetz | zu22: you can dist upgrade it like any other box |
| 09:21.05 | sep | zu22, i'd replace sid with etch in sources and start there. and yes a new kernel is sane from security standpoint |
| 09:21.12 | sep | zu22, unless you _want_ sid ofcouse |
| 09:21.22 | kgoetz | 2.4 series was nasty (but i started with 2.6) |
| 09:21.32 | jethro | haha |
| 09:21.55 | jethro | kgoetz: 2.6 is a much bigger pile of crap than 2.4 were |
| 09:22.01 | sep | kgoetz, just when i finish upgrading from 2.2 to 2.4 they start 2.6 damit ! cant things stay stable ! |
| 09:22.04 | butch | sep: Especially when one application opens more windows and I want to have that one at the other monitor/screen. |
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| 09:22.11 | kgoetz | jethro: i understand the output of a 2.6 though ;) |
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| 09:22.13 | jethro | kgoetz: at least 2.4 wasn't breaking pola every new minor version. |
| 09:22.16 | yoz | ey.. guys got some issues with horde3 on a debian machine.. compose makes me download the file so seems. what package am I missing? |
| 09:22.23 | kgoetz | lol sep |
| 09:22.32 | yoz | it's like the browser doesn't know what to do with it and wodnloads it. |
| 09:22.35 | sep | jethro, 2.6 supports more new shiny things but i dont run it on any server since 2.4 is more down to earth stable :) |
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| 09:23.12 | zu22 | sep: well i figure i better stick with testing until i get back into the swing of things :) |
| 09:23.15 | jethro | sep: yes I know that. I used a 2.6 kernels when I really had to. now I no longer use debian, but on a couple of servers, and they are running a 2.4 |
| 09:23.30 | jethro | s/a 2.6/2.6/ |
| 09:23.36 | zu22 | jethro: what kernel do u recommend? |
| 09:23.42 | zu22 | sep: ah ok thx |
| 09:23.46 | jethro | zu22: it really depends on your needs. |
| 09:23.58 | zu22 | kgoetz: k |
| 09:24.00 | sep | zu22, latest 2.4 in sarge :) |
| 09:24.12 | butch | Thanks for now. Have to go (turn off Xinerama again and work .. ). Bye. |
| 09:24.17 | jethro | zu22: the latest 2.4 if you don't _have_ to use a 2.6 for, let's say, an ipw2200, or shiny new hardware. |
| 09:24.32 | yoz | does anyone have an idea? |
| 09:24.42 | jethro | yes I have one, I should get myself a coffee |
| 09:24.42 | jethro | . |
| 09:24.50 | liable | might want a 2.6 for acpi shits if the laptop supports it. |
| 09:25.00 | zu22 | jethro: i like kernel that is stable and supports my dell latitude c600 :) |
| 09:25.04 | yoz | I was trying to figure out what packages are required by horde3 and seem to have all of them installed. |
| 09:25.07 | sep | yoz, what is the extensino of the page of the composer that get dl'd can it be you lack a apache module ? |
| 09:25.14 | jethro | zu22: the latest 2.4 should be fine then. |
| 09:25.20 | zu22 | sep: :P |
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| 09:25.52 | jethro | liable: I thought 2.4 kernels had acpi support too. |
| 09:26.01 | yoz | sep: actually it's compose.php (PHP script) |
| 09:26.18 | sep | yoz, but the other .php of horde works ok ? |
| 09:26.19 | zu22 | i need to find that guide i once read on "how to install kernel the debian way" or in my case "upgrading kernel the debian way", i wanna setup LILO so i can access my old vmlinuz just in case new kernel borks out |
| 09:26.28 | yoz | sep: *nod* |
| 09:26.32 | zu22 | jethro: cool |
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| 09:26.38 | jethro | zu22: use debian kernel images |
| 09:26.46 | yoz | sep: pretty fine.. excepting compose and some other popoup stuff in horde. |
| 09:27.04 | sep | yoz, how strange i ditched horde before testing that so i dont know |
| 09:27.20 | r3dki | Hey guys with wget how do i mirror a website e.g. www.blah.com/texts/ and just get the /texts/ directory and any subdirectories? (i've been reading over the wget man page and there is to many options im a bit confused) ? |
| 09:27.21 | zu22 | jethro: can i tweak the config if i install that way? |
| 09:27.30 | r3dki | join #linuxhelp |
| 09:27.43 | jethro | zu22: what would you want to tweak? |
| 09:27.44 | r3dki | sorry |
| 09:27.53 | yoz | sep: I gave up in on my last server myself.. even if it was working.. though it was slow like bitch. however on my new dualcore opteron box it's much better concerning speed and it's nice to use imo. |
| 09:28.06 | zu22 | jethro: well just in case something was left out of the image that i need (i know being paranoid heh( |
| 09:28.11 | zu22 | s/(/) |
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| 09:28.48 | jethro | zu22: afaict, unless you need things like grsecurity or others that require patching, you should use debian kernel images. |
| 09:29.11 | zu22 | jethro: alrighty, ta~ |
| 09:29.17 | jethro | zu22: you're welcome. |
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| 09:29.56 | sep | zu22, migrated from lilo to grub, and neverlooked back,. it's so much easier then lilo. and you can fiddlle with your boot params on the fly |
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| 09:30.37 | victori | anyone build compiz with gnome support? |
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| 09:30.44 | Kooky | hi |
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| 09:31.23 | Kooky | does anyone know how I can connect to an afs-cell that is not in my cellservdb, and without the nedd of root access to change any configuration file |
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| 09:35.26 | sep | Kooky, if you could.. i'd say it was too insecure |
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| 09:36.32 | Kooky | the problem is, that we have a new cell and people in cern need access |
| 09:36.40 | DragonD | What is a package the will e-mail me with daily facts such as accepted logins and failed logins? |
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| 09:37.52 | sep | logreport ? |
| 09:37.58 | sep | or something of that way |
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| 09:38.38 | DragonD | sep: do you use one? |
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| 09:42.23 | victori | hmm whose bright idea was it to remove gnome-window-settings-2.0.pc from capplets-data in debian |
| 09:42.30 | tapas | "libqt3-mt: breaks dependencies in 462 packages:" this bugreport is from august last year |
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| 09:42.37 | tapas | anyone know any time plans? |
| 09:42.53 | tapas | #325292 |
| 09:42.53 | zu22 | sep: ok i will look into grub |
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| 09:43.25 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 09:43.40 | morsing | Hi |
| 09:43.44 | tapas | sometimes i think i should uninstall apt-listbugs and just do apt-get dist-upgrade ;) |
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| 09:44.22 | mynullvoid | I have a script owned by a user, but I cannot execute the script unless I chown the php files to www-data |
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| 09:45.10 | mynullvoid | one more way is I had to chmod to 777 to all my php files |
| 09:45.42 | jelly-ho | tapas: I usually ping the bug report if it really bothers me. |
| 09:45.52 | jengelh | !777 |
| 09:45.52 | dpkg | 777 is, like, god (me, you and everything else) power over everything, or in unix it's presented in -rwxrwxrwx (full read/write/exec perms for everyone) |
| 09:46.06 | jengelh | !755 |
| 09:46.07 | dpkg | i guess 755 is -rwxr-xr-x |
| 09:46.15 | SlayerXP | !010 |
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| 09:46.27 | tapas | jelly-ho: what do you mean, ping? |
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| 09:46.39 | jengelh | IOW, DON'T EVERN DO 777 |
| 09:46.45 | tapas | jelly-ho: like write a comment asking about the status? |
| 09:46.48 | jelly-ho | tapas: send a mail inquiring about the status |
| 09:46.52 | tapas | ok |
| 09:47.02 | mynullvoid | actually I am using dreamweaver to do my php code; but how can I get my apache to execute my php when the file owner is non www-data? |
| 09:47.20 | Ronin | jelly-ho: and thats ping to you? |
| 09:47.29 | jengelh | mynullvoid : using +x or like 755 |
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| 09:48.02 | jelly-ho | Ronin: like any other "are-you-alive" short-message. |
| 09:48.12 | mynullvoid | jengelh: my php is not doing it |
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| 09:48.27 | mynullvoid | i mean the dreamweaver is not getting it |
| 09:48.41 | Ronin | well at least your not using a term thats already used for something so it doesnt get confusing :) |
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| 09:49.07 | jengelh | mynullvoid : For anything but CGI, you don't need 755, 777 or +x |
| 09:49.08 | mynullvoid | jengelh: how can I get my apache to execute php for non-www-data user? |
| 09:49.21 | jengelh | Does it execute PHP at all? |
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| 09:49.42 | jelly-ho | Ronin: Yes, however it's only a small generalization and I think the meaning is rather clear in context. |
| 09:49.45 | mynullvoid | jengelh: I need apache to run my php owned by other use |
| 09:49.52 | strk | ! LaTeX Error: Something's wrong--perhaps a missing \item. |
| 09:49.56 | tapas | anybody running unstable who has recently done upgrade without the whole system fallign apart? ;) |
| 09:49.59 | Tnecniv83 | How can I read keyboard keycodes in a C program I've looked everywhere but can't find it |
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| 09:50.09 | strk | we're getting this from pdfxmltex |
| 09:50.10 | tapas | [cause that's what i'd expect when looking at apt-listbugs outpus] |
| 09:50.16 | jengelh | mynullvoid : I ask again: Can it run PHP at all? |
| 09:50.20 | strk | is there an sgml specific channel ? |
| 09:50.34 | mynullvoid | jengelh: I got error |
| 09:50.55 | jelly-ho | tapas: did you just install apt-listbugs? It's always like that. ;-) |
| 09:51.03 | tapas | Tnecniv83: wrong channel i'd say. check out #linuxhelp. maybe also be more specific: console, X, svga? |
| 09:51.21 | tapas | jelly-ho: i installed it a while ago and didn't have the courage to do any upgrade since then |
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| 09:52.47 | mynullvoid | anyone know how I can get my apache to execute non www-data user php? |
| 09:53.06 | jm_ | it does that by default |
| 09:53.20 | jelly-ho | tapas: eh. Most of the bugs are specific to a certain configuration. After a while you'll get a knack of what could be relevant. I usually take a look at the topic (and maybe the StatusOfUnstable page) and hope for the best. |
| 09:53.42 | tapas | jelly-ho: yeah, statusOgUnstable looks much less scary |
| 09:53.44 | jm_ | tnecv;use a library like ncurses or slang |
| 09:53.51 | jm_ | Tnecniv83 ^^^^^ |
| 09:53.53 | Tnecniv83 | nobody responds in #linuxhelp. I can't find the #console channel |
| 09:53.59 | mynullvoid | jm_: a php file owned by john:john cannot be executed with normal file permission |
| 09:54.05 | jelly-ho | tapas: also note that bugs with <done> status are actually fixed in the version you are to install. |
| 09:54.09 | jm_ | mynullvoid: yes it can, it works just fine for me |
| 09:54.15 | Twonk | little problem with kernel upgrade (2.4 -> 2.6) (on very old hardware) ... PC won't boot, locks on network-card initialisation... changed nic to an ISA card (3COM), works nicely, but eth0 changes to eth1, to eth2, to .... everytime I reboot, so I can't automatically configure network...anyone can help? |
| 09:54.25 | tapas | jelly-ho: ok, i was kinda hoping it meant this |
| 09:54.38 | jm_ | Twonk: haha, look at nameif/ifrename |
| 09:54.55 | Twonk | where do I find that? :$ |
| 09:54.59 | Twonk | (linux-noob) |
| 09:55.13 | jelly-ho | tapas: "you might already be a win^H^H^H^H^H^Hhave this bug, but we fixed it" |
| 09:55.18 | jm_ | nameif should be installed already, otherwise they're apt-get away |
| 09:55.33 | Twonk | k thx ! |
| 09:55.49 | mynullvoid | jm_: Warning: Unknown(/var/www/apache2-default/online/pm/contract.php): failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0 |
| 09:55.49 | mynullvoid | Warning: (null)(): Failed opening '/var/www/apache2-default/online/pm/contract.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0 |
| 09:56.11 | jm_ | mynullvoid: so fix it |
| 09:56.19 | mynullvoid | jm_: I am trying to |
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| 09:56.27 | jm_ | mynullvoid: directory permissions also matter |
| 09:56.31 | tapas | Tnecniv83: have a look at ncurses if you are talking about a console app |
| 09:56.37 | mynullvoid | jm_: the only way I know is to chmod it or chown it |
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| 09:56.42 | tapas | Tnecniv83: otherwise inspect the Gui toolkit of your choice |
| 09:56.55 | R1ck | hello. this document: http://wiki.linux-ha.org/DRBD/HowTo/InstallDebianPackages07 tells me to use the m-a command but where can I get that? |
| 09:57.09 | mynullvoid | jm_: I am using dreamweaver to create the php script |
| 09:57.14 | jm_ | R1ck: the same place as other Debian packages |
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| 09:57.24 | R1ck | apt-cache search cant find it |
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| 09:57.35 | Tnecniv83 | tapas: it's a console application, i'll look & read about ncurses, thanks! |
| 09:57.36 | jm_ | !tell R1ck -about search |
| 09:57.54 | jm_ | mynullvoid: I have no idea what dreamweaver is or what it does or how it fits into your question |
| 09:58.23 | mynullvoid | jm_: I only can execute if I chmod 755 to my scripts, is't safe? |
| 09:58.23 | jelly-ho | !m-a |
| 09:58.23 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 09:58.27 | tapas | Tnecniv83: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4TTrl766.html |
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| 09:58.44 | tapas | most simple ncurses program that accepts any number of "1" as input. otherwise it exits |
| 09:58.58 | jm_ | mynullvoid: yes, 755 means that www-data can read it, you need at least 444 on the file and 555 on the dir |
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| 09:59.54 | x`y`-xy | if i have ip server 81.1.2.3; user: user; and smtp and pop3 ...... the email address is : user@81.1.2.3 ???? |
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| 10:00.50 | R1ck | thanks jelly-ho |
| 10:00.58 | epsilon | IP as mail address is unusual - but possible - but not recommended |
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| 10:01.22 | epsilon | don't you have any hostname? |
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| 10:02.27 | x`y`-xy | i buyed one but now is not rady |
| 10:03.04 | yang | I got a problem starting gpg-agent for caff to connect to it |
| 10:03.25 | Twonk | jm_> 'nameif - opening configuration file /etc/mactab: no such file" |
| 10:03.36 | jm_ | Twonk: you'll have to create it |
| 10:03.44 | Twonk | what should be in it? |
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| 10:04.40 | jm_ | man page explains its syntax |
| 10:04.51 | mynullvoid | jm_: ok I can run it when I have 444 for the file; but this is manually done; how can I get the permission automaticly set |
| 10:05.02 | jm_ | mynullvoid: how do you create the files? |
| 10:05.09 | mynullvoid | via ftp |
| 10:05.17 | mynullvoid | jm_: I upload the file via ftp |
| 10:05.42 | jm_ | mynullvoid: uhh ftp, in this case you'd have to look at your ftpd's options (umask setting, if it has one, or alternatively, chmod it via ftp if it supports it) |
| 10:06.13 | tapas | hmm, is there an wasy way to remove all -doc packages i have installed? |
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| 10:06.40 | jm_ | tapas: yes |
| 10:06.45 | epsilon | tapas search with dpkg for installed packages |
| 10:07.05 | tapas | epsilon: ok, and then pipe it to apt-get remove? |
| 10:07.31 | epsilon | kinda. how exactly you do it is your choice |
| 10:07.35 | tapas | ok |
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| 10:07.46 | tapas | maybei just get a bigger hd though ;) |
| 10:07.51 | epsilon | take a look at dpkg --get-selections |
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| 10:08.33 | epsilon | tapas: tried apt-get clean? |
| 10:08.41 | tapas | yep :) |
| 10:08.52 | bo_andresen | I don't know if anybody in here are familiar with eix from Gentoo (diff-eix/eix-sync specifically). What I am looking for is an application which will tell me exactly what changed between before and after an apt-get update. I.e. what was upgraded, downgraded, removed or added to the repositories in sources.list. Does any such thing exist for Debian? |
| 10:08.56 | epsilon | and unistalled KDE? |
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| 10:09.03 | tapas | epsilon: hehe ;) |
| 10:09.06 | tapas | nope i need that.. |
| 10:09.07 | jm_ | tapas: you can also use aptitude because it supports more powerful package lists |
| 10:09.08 | epsilon | :D |
| 10:09.27 | tapas | jm_: i never came to friendly terms with aptitude |
| 10:09.53 | tapas | thanks for the tips though. i supose the upgrade will fit in what little space i have left. just asking for the future |
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| 10:10.06 | mynullvoid | jm_: the default is umask=022 <--- what is the permission for this? |
| 10:10.18 | scarface | how can I reconfigure X that it displays on an LCD monitor, instead of a CRT. used to have CRT but switched to LCD now and cant start X anymore |
| 10:10.25 | epsilon | 755 |
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| 10:10.48 | jm_ | mynullvoid: see above |
| 10:10.51 | jethro | bo_andresen: apt-get usually tells you _before_ anything what it is going to upgrade/install/remove. now if by 'what changed' you don't mean packages by files withing packages, I don't know if there is a debian tool providing this functionnality. |
| 10:10.57 | tapas | gnah, 1.1 gig of packages |
| 10:11.04 | jethro | s/by/but/ |
| 10:11.09 | mynullvoid | it says the default umask=022 but when I ls -al the file has -rw------- 1 sysadmin sysadmi |
| 10:11.13 | Twonk | jm_: how can I make sure nameif gets booted before ifconfig, and after loading the module for mij nic ?? |
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| 10:12.09 | bo_andresen | jethro: I mean an application which will also tell me if a new application that I do not have installed has been added to the repository. |
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| 10:13.20 | jethro | bo_andresen: well apt-get tells you what's going to change, and you accept it or not. |
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| 10:13.38 | jm_ | Twonk: good question, possibly use ifupdown mapping instead |
| 10:13.45 | scarface | how can I reconfigure X that it displays on an LCD monitor, instead of a CRT. used to have CRT but switched to LCD now and cant start X anymore |
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| 10:13.55 | jm_ | Twonk: one option would be to run it as post-install script for the module in question |
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| 10:14.14 | jethro | bo_andresen: new packages, upgraded packages, suggested packages. it will let you know everything you'd want to know _before_ you change anything. |
| 10:15.04 | ahewitt | Hi guys, can someone please tell me why this doesn't work..."tar -pcf /mnt/files/0 | gzip -f -9 &> /mnt/backup/test/0.tar.gz &" |
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| 10:15.32 | jm_ | ahwe;because you're using -f with tar |
| 10:15.37 | jm_ | ahewitt ^^^^^ |
| 10:15.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:15.43 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:16.12 | ahewitt | jm_: I am a retard ...cheers |
| 10:16.15 | jethro | tarzeau: mind if I ask you why you keep on pimping popcon? |
| 10:16.53 | liable | !drxx scarface |
| 10:16.54 | dpkg | scarface: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:17.10 | tarzeau | jethro: so people in here who don't have it installed see it and install it? |
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| 10:17.23 | scarface | thanks |
| 10:17.27 | Twonk | jm_: too bad that sounds like chinese moslty :'( |
| 10:17.34 | jm_ | jethro: to get popcon higher on popularity list ;) |
| 10:17.36 | tarzeau | jethro: did you compare popcon.debian.org and popcon.ubuntu.com yet? |
| 10:17.39 | jethro | tarzeau: I'm not sure it's very efficient :) |
| 10:17.53 | tarzeau | jethro: i'm open to more efficient suggestions |
| 10:17.58 | jethro | tarzeau: yes I did. I fail to see the point in doing it though. |
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| 10:18.04 | `6og | what do i have to install on Debian sarge to get a basic compiler environment? is there a metapackage or do you have to get what you need yourself? |
| 10:18.07 | jm_ | Twonk: I would use the latter, the former is insufficiently documented |
| 10:18.09 | jethro | tarzeau: perhaps having an op adding it to the /topic would be better. |
| 10:18.12 | tarzeau | jethro: when i started it was at about 8500 |
| 10:18.15 | tarzeau | jethro: now it's 12500 |
| 10:18.18 | jm_ | !b-e `6og |
| 10:18.19 | dpkg | `6og: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 10:18.31 | `6og | thanks. |
| 10:18.35 | Twonk | that's in /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 10:18.38 | bo_andresen | jethro: Right, thanks. But it won't tell me if something completely unrelated to every program that I have installed has been added recently to the repositories. Perhaps the debian-announce or -news mailing lists are really what I'm looking for.. I think I'll subscribe and find out. |
| 10:18.44 | jm_ | yeah modprobe.d for 2.6 kernel |
| 10:19.10 | jethro | bo_andresen: fair enough. sorry I misunderstood you. |
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| 10:19.49 | jethro | tarzeau: and you feel better now that you think 4000 users installed popcon since you started pimping it? :) |
| 10:19.57 | tarzeau | jethro: A LOT :) |
| 10:19.59 | jethro | heh |
| 10:20.27 | `6og | is there a Debian backports channel? |
| 10:20.36 | zysoft | Hi all! |
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| 10:25.44 | kreg | and then she was all like "no way you pee with that!" |
| 10:26.17 | azeem | kreg: how is that related to Debian? |
| 10:28.45 | zysoft | Can anyone help me to solve my problem with Debian? What user I need to contact to ask a question for help? |
| 10:29.05 | Coweater | just ask |
| 10:29.21 | liable | zysoft: you dont, you just state your problem in the channel, hopefully someone knows the answer |
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| 10:30.10 | jm_ | you should also read what ChanServ tells you when joining #debian |
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| 10:30.50 | zysoft | Ok. I installed Debian 3.1 with 2.4 kernel. Then I installed kernel 2.6 image package |
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| 10:31.22 | zysoft | Then I've got problem with Internet browsing using Mozilla and other browser |
| 10:31.27 | zysoft | I use GNOME |
| 10:31.51 | zysoft | if I load into 2.4 kernel - all is ok |
| 10:31.51 | azeem | what kind of problem? |
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| 10:32.58 | zysoft | I have some browsers installed. But only KDE's Konqueror works |
| 10:33.19 | azeem | Konqueror works for websites like google.com on 2.6? |
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| 10:33.34 | zysoft | Yes. All other tell me 'Connection refused' |
| 10:34.00 | jm_ | maybe you have configured a non-working proxy |
| 10:34.03 | azeem | hrm, it also works for any new website you go to? Maybe it had that still cached? |
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| 10:34.25 | dli | zysoft, try, lynx |
| 10:34.35 | zysoft | no. I tried to rich any site and all ok |
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| 10:35.49 | zysoft | To <azeem>: Any browser still work fine in entry LAN (I mean http servers installed) |
| 10:37.05 | zysoft | <azeem> maybe it would be better to use private channel? |
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| 10:38.15 | azeem | zysoft: no, keep it here |
| 10:38.23 | azeem | I am off for lunch now, maybe others can help |
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| 10:38.40 | azeem | zysoft: if you know about the command line, try to ping or traceroute some external servers |
| 10:38.48 | azeem | zysoft: and check your http proxy, if you use one |
| 10:39.46 | zysoft | <azeem> All works fine. I use the gateway directly. |
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| 10:40.11 | dli | zysoft, be specific, give examples |
| 10:40.23 | zysoft | <dli>Ok. |
| 10:41.00 | dli | zysoft, because I have no clue at all what's your problem |
| 10:41.38 | zysoft | <dli>Exapmle: I start Firefox and trying to rich google.com. Then I get such error: Connection refused. |
| 10:42.01 | zysoft | <dli> But if I start the Konqueror browser - all works ok |
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| 10:42.36 | dli | zysoft, check your http proxy |
| 10:42.48 | zysoft | All other services like GnomeICU, ping, etc. works fine. I don't use a proxy |
| 10:43.49 | dli | zysoft, try, "lynx http://www.google.com" |
| 10:43.55 | zysoft | <dli> If I load the system into 2.4 kernel - all ok |
| 10:44.39 | Tnecniv83 | Well, I've installed ncurses and tried some examples. But I don't see yet how to receive both key_down and key_up events |
| 10:45.24 | Tnecniv83 | I want to write a console application in which you can press multiple keys simultanously, like in a computer game |
| 10:46.42 | zysoft | <dli>I have no lynx installed and I cant install it now |
| 10:46.49 | zysoft | <dli>Konqueror works ok |
| 10:47.15 | dli | zysoft, why can't? "apt-get install lynx" |
| 10:47.32 | zysoft | <dli>I'll try it now... |
| 10:48.49 | r3tex | is there any point to me having security.debian.org in my sources.list if i'm running testing? |
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| 10:49.06 | sep | !secure testing |
| 10:49.06 | dpkg | somebody said testing security was Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ , but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ , ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
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| 10:51.22 | zysoft | <dli> I cant install lynx. Something missing for it |
| 10:51.35 | dli | zysoft, be specific |
| 10:51.45 | zysoft | <dli>Maybe other way exists to check it out? |
| 10:52.31 | zysoft | <dli>Oops :) I've got it |
| 10:52.36 | zysoft | Sorry |
| 10:52.44 | zysoft | Now trying to rich google |
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| 10:53.40 | zysoft | <dli>It can't open a connection |
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| 10:54.15 | liable | zysoft: email works for 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:54.36 | zysoft | I tryed to use thunderbird. It doesn't |
| 10:54.53 | zysoft | <dli>The same error |
| 10:55.03 | liable | zysoft: you dont need to put < > around peoples nick either. :) |
| 10:55.26 | dli | zysoft, "ping www.google.com" |
| 10:55.28 | zysoft | liable, ok. thanks |
| 10:55.56 | zysoft | dli, working good |
| 10:56.14 | dli | zysoft, what's the IP for google? |
| 10:56.31 | liable | zysoft: do you have any firewall package installed? |
| 10:56.43 | zysoft | dli, 66.249.93.104 |
| 10:56.45 | Trewas | Tnecniv83: maybe ncurses doesn't support keyboard handling at that low level, but at least sdl does if you can use that library |
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| 10:57.29 | zysoft | liable, I installed firestarter |
| 10:58.02 | zysoft | liable, I watched firestarter's monitor and didn't see any connections from browsers |
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| 10:58.20 | zysoft | liable, but GnomeICU connections I saw |
| 10:58.38 | liable | zysoft: ok, remove firestarter for now and see what happens |
| 10:58.45 | dli | zysoft, stop all firewall |
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| 10:59.38 | zysoft | liable,dli Ok |
| 10:59.40 | dli | liable, how could konqueror pass the firewall, while lynx couldn't |
| 10:59.49 | liable | dli: no idea |
| 11:01.21 | zysoft | dli, liable: Nothing happend. Maybe I'm wrong, but as i know the GNOME and KDE is the different desktop managers which are not conflicting and can work together |
| 11:01.30 | r3tex | is there any difference between synching to etch or synching to testing? |
| 11:01.38 | liable | r3tex: no |
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| 11:01.49 | r3tex | liable: cool |
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| 11:02.09 | dli | zysoft, google is blocked in some countries, like china |
| 11:02.20 | dli | zysoft, can you test another site? |
| 11:02.23 | Phated | It's not blocked, just censored. |
| 11:02.32 | liable | r3tex: other than, when etch becomes stable, you continue to track etch if its in sources, and testing if thats in sources |
| 11:02.47 | dli | Phated, it's blocked in china, you can only access google.cn |
| 11:02.47 | locsmif | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.54 | locsmif | oops |
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| 11:02.56 | dli | Phated, not google.com |
| 11:02.59 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 11:03.11 | jm_ | r3tex: not now anyway |
| 11:03.14 | dli | Phated, otherwise, nobody goes to google.cn |
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| 11:03.52 | dli | Phated, anyway, it's interesting to use google to test network then |
| 11:03.54 | zysoft | dli: I can rich google from Konqueror and ping. Other PCs (Windows) can rich it. Debian.org is unaccessible too |
| 11:05.12 | liable | zysoft: whats the output of iptables -L ?? |
| 11:05.12 | dli | zysoft, first, "it doesn't work" doesn't bring in much help, provide more details |
| 11:06.03 | Phated | dli: Ah. |
| 11:06.07 | zysoft | liable:Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 11:06.07 | zysoft | target prot opt source destination |
| 11:06.08 | zysoft | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 11:06.08 | zysoft | target prot opt source destination |
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| 11:06.51 | dli | liable, I am not sure about .ua , but there could be complex nation wide firewalls as in China |
| 11:07.50 | liable | dli: wonder why 2.4 works though |
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| 11:08.07 | dli | liable, I doubt that |
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| 11:08.30 | dobbyX | is there a possibility to see what an ftp user is using for commands on the server side? |
| 11:08.32 | dli | liable, I think some happend coincidented with the kernel upgrading |
| 11:08.33 | liable | no idea. |
| 11:08.41 | liable | possible |
| 11:08.48 | liable | i guess. |
| 11:10.20 | kelmo_lap | dobbyX, maybe some tcpdump'ing or so |
| 11:11.00 | jm_ | dobbyX: or use a FTP server that logs them |
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| 11:11.39 | ndee | how can I check if my motherboard is fried? |
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| 11:12.16 | zysoft | dli,liable: Did you get my output? |
| 11:12.44 | dobbyX | jm_: i use vsftpd is there a log where i can see what de user does? Is there an option i could turn on? |
| 11:13.01 | dli | zysoft, can you use konqueror to open, http://pastebin.com |
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| 11:13.21 | jm_ | dobbyX: /var/log/vsftpd.log |
| 11:13.25 | dli | ndee, hard question :( |
| 11:13.45 | zysoft | dli: yes. |
| 11:13.59 | ndee | dli: the computer wouldn't boot at all... so I tried to run knoppix: "unexpected IRQ trap at vector 10", wtf? |
| 11:14.06 | dli | ndee, if you put cpu memory, etc, on that mobo to check, you put those components at risk also |
| 11:14.25 | dobbyX | jm_: Yes but there are just the error logs or can i change something in /etc/vsftpd.conf ? that i can see the command wich the user has used? |
| 11:14.27 | dli | ndee, that's not bad, try memtest86 |
| 11:15.02 | dli | zysoft, I want you to double check your proxy setting in konqueror |
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| 11:15.15 | jm_ | dobbyX: ehh? you also see transfers |
| 11:15.55 | dobbyX | jm_: you shure? My log was empty last time I tryed it |
| 11:16.10 | zysoft | dli: My proxy setting: Do not use proxy |
| 11:16.27 | zysoft | dli: This is set both in Konqueror and others |
| 11:16.41 | jm_ | dobbyX: yes, and you can also log FTP requests/responses |
| 11:17.04 | dli | zysoft, are you sure it's "Do not use proxy" in konqueror? |
| 11:17.15 | jm_ | dobbyX: make sure xferlog_enable is set |
| 11:17.24 | r3tex | where can i put default gcc build options? |
| 11:17.49 | zysoft | dli: yes. i use the gateway. it's ip is set in the network apator configuration |
| 11:17.51 | dobbyX | jm_: man yes :) that is the problem! i knew that i have forgot something. Thanks man |
| 11:18.19 | dli | zysoft, what is apator? |
| 11:18.57 | zysoft | dli: I don't understand. Can you explain? |
| 11:19.14 | dli | zysoft, there is no such an Option "Do not use proxy" in konqueror, at least not in my version 3.5.2 |
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| 11:19.41 | dli | zysoft, I don't understand what you mean with "in the network apator configuration" |
| 11:20.15 | dli | zysoft, I want you to double check konqueror setting |
| 11:20.46 | zysoft | dli: Sorry, i misspelled. i meant adaptor |
| 11:20.47 | kelmo_lap | maybe "adaptor" |
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| 11:22.05 | jm_ | zysoft: then check if requests reaches the gateway and if gateway sends it out |
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| 11:22.28 | zysoft | dli: I use russian version of KDE. So I cant exactly describe the english version of this option. I think it should be like "Use direct connection" |
| 11:22.37 | dli | zysoft, also, you found a strange IP for google, 66.249.93.104 , I couldn't find this IP in reverse lookup |
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| 11:23.08 | zysoft | dli: lets try it on debian.org |
| 11:23.45 | dli | zysoft, "lynx http://80.87.131.193" |
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| 11:24.42 | zysoft | jm_: can something work if the gateway is broken? |
| 11:25.02 | zysoft | dli: there is the page with mysql_connect error |
| 11:25.06 | jm_ | zysoft: no, but then you would at least know what is going on |
| 11:25.40 | zysoft | jm_: I'm chatting now through this gateway :) |
| 11:25.44 | dli | zysoft, pastebin the output of lynx in pastebin.com (in konqueror) |
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| 11:26.32 | jm_ | zysoft: sure, the issue may be elsewhere |
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| 11:26.38 | zysoft | dli: i didn't understand |
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| 11:27.07 | dli | !pastebin |
| 11:27.07 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 11:28.14 | zysoft | dpkg: thanks |
| 11:28.14 | dpkg | zysoft: de nada |
| 11:28.21 | dli | jm_, first, konqueror works while nothing else works with http, second, 2.4 works 2.6 doesn't, the god much be crazy |
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| 11:29.00 | morsing | Hi AnAnt |
| 11:29.12 | AnAnt | I downloaded Vim7 tarball, how can I make a debian package from it ? |
| 11:29.14 | jm_ | dli: that's why I would use tcpdump |
| 11:29.36 | dli | jm_, or traceroute |
| 11:29.38 | zysoft | dli: http://pastebin.com/711210 |
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| 11:31.44 | dli | jm_: http://pastebin.com/711210 , is this some local spyware? |
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| 11:32.08 | s-toned | I haven't found support for reiserfs, xfs, or jfs under windows (other than smb exporting), so I assume it doesn't exist. Or am I wrong? |
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| 11:32.26 | jm_ | dli: on Linux? :) |
| 11:32.47 | dli | jm_, I asked him to paste output of lynx |
| 11:32.54 | jm_ | dli: yeah I know |
| 11:32.56 | gary | I am trying to install realplayer using the realplayer.bin file I downloaded. When trying to run it I get the error: "Cannot open shared object file: libstdc++.so.5". I do have the file: libstdc++.sp.6 but not the .5 one. Is there a way of telling it to use this one instead? |
| 11:33.24 | asg | :huggle Phated |
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| 11:33.27 | asg | eep |
| 11:33.29 | jm_ | gary: no, you should install .so.5 one too |
| 11:33.31 | asg | !huggle Phated |
| 11:33.34 | dli | jm_, looks like local access control for proxy |
| 11:33.37 | Ronin | didnt know we had spyware on linux yet |
| 11:33.44 | liable | gary: you can get realplayer from marillat |
| 11:33.48 | jm_ | dli: my gues was proxy too |
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| 11:33.55 | gary | liable: oh right, what source is that sorry? |
| 11:33.57 | jm_ | guess even |
| 11:34.02 | gary | doesn't matter I'll search for it :D |
| 11:34.13 | dli | jm_, let's tell him to disable proxy for lynx |
| 11:34.32 | jm_ | dli: unless there's some transparent proxy in use |
| 11:34.39 | zysoft | dli,jm_: I use a russian localization. There is some encoding problems in post |
| 11:35.00 | jm_ | zysoft: yeah we noticed ;) |
| 11:35.28 | dli | zysoft, in your terminal, "export LANG=C;export LC_ALL=C;" |
| 11:35.33 | gary | my main aim is to get videos playing in firefox |
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| 11:36.14 | liable | gary: get mplayer, w32codecs and mozilla-mplayer |
| 11:36.25 | gary | thanks :D |
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| 11:37.15 | zysoft | dli,jm_:http://pastebin.com/711230 |
| 11:37.53 | jm_ | zysoft: try checking where lynx is connectiong to |
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| 11:38.44 | liable | guess we might be moving soon.. |
| 11:38.49 | dli | zysoft, do you have any livecd there? |
| 11:38.56 | jm_ | liable: oftc? |
| 11:38.59 | zysoft | jm_:Do you mean me to try to connect other sites? Or something else? |
| 11:39.08 | jm_ | zysoft: no, strace/tcpdump |
| 11:39.10 | liable | jm_: seems so. |
| 11:39.14 | zysoft | dli:I'll check |
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| 11:39.21 | dli | jm_, are you in russia? |
| 11:39.28 | jm_ | dli: nope |
| 11:39.33 | dli | zysoft, are you in russia? |
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| 11:39.49 | gary | I added the marrillat sources, and updated but got an error: GPG error: Couldn't be verified as the public key is not available |
| 11:39.49 | jm_ | he's from Ukraine I think ;) |
| 11:40.07 | liable | in soviet russia, proxy connects to YOU! |
| 11:40.09 | liable | sorry |
| 11:40.16 | zysoft | dli: No, but near:) jm_: Yes. Ukraine |
| 11:40.28 | tarzeau | what's the tld for ukraine? |
| 11:40.45 | tarzeau | ua |
| 11:40.45 | jm_ | tarzeau: it's in /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab |
| 11:41.02 | tarzeau | jm_: my hero! i was looking for those files! ZONEINFO |
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| 11:41.39 | dli | jm_, better, I thought it was UAE :( then, spyware might be required by the law. my ignorance turns out |
| 11:41.51 | zysoft | jm_: strace/tcpdump => strace/tcpdump: No such file or directory |
| 11:42.18 | jm_ | zysoft: strace -o str.txt -e connect lynx http://www.debian.org/ |
| 11:43.01 | gary | oh bloody hell! |
| 11:43.07 | gary | I have dependency errors! |
| 11:43.22 | Gnea | oh noes!! |
| 11:43.30 | gary | apt-get install mplayer-586 errors with: depends libdirectfb-0.9-20 but it is not installable |
| 11:43.47 | azeem | mplayer is not in Debian |
| 11:43.52 | Gnea | you're on a 586? |
| 11:44.09 | zysoft | dli, jm_: http://pastebin.com/711237 |
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| 11:44.34 | jm_ | zysoft: we need str.txt file |
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| 11:45.09 | gary | I believe so |
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| 11:45.20 | Gnea | you need to know so. |
| 11:45.28 | gary | I'm on a work computer, anyway to figure it out? |
| 11:45.30 | Gnea | uname -m |
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| 11:45.38 | gary | i686 |
| 11:45.49 | Gnea | thus, you tried to download the wrong one |
| 11:46.00 | r3tex | is there any way to set up global compile options for gcc on debian? |
| 11:46.00 | zysoft | jm_, dli: http://pastebin.com/711239 |
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| 11:46.18 | Gnea | r3tex: add environment variables to ~/.bashrc |
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| 11:46.45 | Gnea | r3tex: or /etc/bash.bashrc if ~/.bashrc doesn't exist |
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| 11:46.52 | r3tex | Gnea: good idea :P |
| 11:47.13 | jm_ | zysoft: it looks like an issue with name resolution, what does getent hosts www.debian.org say? You don't need to use pastebin if it's just one line |
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| 11:47.42 | MyWay | hi, how can i remove a module? |
| 11:47.44 | gary | Gnea: there is mplayer-nogui, and -k6 and i386 and i586 |
| 11:47.52 | sep | MyWay, rmmod modulename |
| 11:47.57 | MyWay | thanks sep |
| 11:48.08 | sep | MyWay, not all modules can be removed that way. try |
| 11:48.19 | Gnea | gary: what branch are you using? |
| 11:48.23 | MyWay | sep it says it's in use |
| 11:48.37 | r3tex | Gnea: have you tested acovea? |
| 11:48.39 | dli | zysoft, can you paste starting from your command line? |
| 11:48.42 | gary | this is actually an ubuntu installation |
| 11:48.51 | Gnea | r3tex: what? |
| 11:48.54 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 11:48.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 11:48.58 | Ronin | then perhaps #ubuntu is in order |
| 11:48.59 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 11:49.00 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 11:49.17 | zysoft | jm_: I don't understand. You asked me for file contents. Where did I wrong? |
| 11:49.23 | gary | Gnea: sorry, thanks |
| 11:49.27 | r3tex | Gnea: it's an algorithm for finding the best (fastest) compile options for gcc for your platform |
| 11:49.29 | Gnea | gary: good luck |
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| 11:49.30 | zysoft | dli: zysoft:/etc# |
| 11:49.32 | sep | MyWay, stop whatever is using it first |
| 11:49.38 | jm_ | zysoft: nowhere, just give us the output of the getent comamnd mentioned above |
| 11:49.43 | Gnea | r3tex: never heard of it |
| 11:49.51 | voltagex | is there any way to get the number of pages from a .ps or other file? |
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| 11:49.56 | r3tex | Gnea: i just find it funny that on my pentium-m that -O3 generally performs worst, and I got funny thought about gentoo |
| 11:50.10 | gary | :D |
| 11:50.30 | MyWay | sep killing it? |
| 11:50.37 | dli | r3tex, -O3 is not recommended |
| 11:50.40 | ionel_mc | ! |
| 11:50.48 | Gnea | ? |
| 11:51.23 | sep | MyWay, if it's a nic module down all interface using the module. if it's a fs unmount all partitions with that fs. how the heck should we know what it is your trying to remove when yuou dont say the module name ! |
| 11:51.23 | r3tex | dli: not if you're reading gentoo documentation ^_^ haha |
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| 11:51.39 | zysoft | jm_: 1.0.0.0 www.debian.org |
| 11:51.45 | jm_ | zysoft: there's your problem |
| 11:51.45 | sep | MyWay, we are not telepaticly enabeled. (unfortunatly) |
| 11:51.48 | r3tex | dli: most people haven't read the gnu documentation and usually use redundant compiler options anyways |
| 11:51.50 | MyWay | haha |
| 11:52.01 | Gnea | zysoft: who told you that you could smoke crack? |
| 11:52.32 | zysoft | Gnea: What do you mean? |
| 11:52.36 | MyWay | sep i retrieve this from alsaconf: amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 11:52.45 | MyWay | i removed all oss modules now, why? |
| 11:52.47 | zysoft | jm_: Can you explain? |
| 11:52.47 | Gnea | zysoft: it was sarcasm, please disregard |
| 11:52.49 | dli | r3tex, which documentation? |
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| 11:53.04 | jm_ | zysoft: well it gets wrong IP for the host so it fails to connect to it |
| 11:53.07 | bvs | is the wiki unavailable for anyone else? |
| 11:53.12 | sep | MyWay, you want to prevent the oss modules from loading at boot. and reboot kernel. then start to get alsa working |
| 11:53.29 | zysoft | Gnea: I'm junior in Linux, and I don't know much yet :( |
| 11:53.43 | zysoft | jm_: What should I do? |
| 11:53.45 | Gnea | zysoft: it's okay, we all are/were at some point :) |
| 11:53.50 | MyWay | ah |
| 11:53.54 | MyWay | how i prevent it from loading? |
| 11:53.56 | zysoft | Gnea: ;) |
| 11:53.57 | r3tex | dli: gnu gcc compiler options documentation, or you mean the gentoo (i wasn't implying that they agree) |
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| 11:54.43 | sep | MyWay, figure out how you load it in the first place (etc/modules|hotplug|discover|godknows) and edit acordingly |
| 11:55.04 | Gnea | now, i'd really love to test acovea out, but some dipshit decided to go and kill .la and libtool |
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| 11:56.25 | briz_ben_boy | What is the best tool for tracking down lag in a connection? Traceroute? PIng? Can some one give me an exact command to use? |
| 11:56.31 | r3tex | Gnea: :P doh. I left it on over night. One run took 4 hours on my pentium-m 1.8 |
| 11:57.26 | zysoft | jm_: Do you know how to reslove my problem? What should I do now? |
| 11:57.29 | r3tex | Gnea: there are like 7 different benchmarks that come with it |
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| 11:58.57 | sep | briz_ben_boy, lag is when somethings goes fast then laggs then goes fasta again, so id' traceroute whereever lag bothers me. ping all the hosts in the traceroute and draw a graph of all the pingtimes of all the hosts of the traceroute |
| 11:59.18 | sep | briz_ben_boy, munin can help you do it by writing your own plugin' |
| 11:59.22 | Gnea | r3tex: cool, but how do i run it on an amd? |
| 11:59.32 | Gnea | the documentation is extremely retarded |
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| 12:00.23 | jm_ | zysoft: you need to find out why name resolution is not working as it should |
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| 12:00.51 | zysoft | jm_: Where I should look for? |
| 12:01.10 | _whm_ | umm does anyone know why dpkg-query -W seems to list uninstalled packages too? Is it possible to list installed only? |
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| 12:01.38 | _whm_ | or how to do it, i mean :) |
| 12:01.48 | jm_ | zysoft: strace suggests it's getting this answer from name server on 192.168.1.1 - is that right? |
| 12:02.03 | zysoft | yes |
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| 12:02.10 | Gnea | _whm_: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 12:02.16 | jm_ | ok then you need to inspect its configuration |
| 12:02.30 | briz_ben_boy | sep trace route is comming up all asterisks what is munin? |
| 12:02.39 | r3tex | Gnea: same way as intel: runacovea -config gcc40_amdsomething.acovea -input blablabench.c |
| 12:02.43 | zysoft | jm_: but how the Konqueror works? |
| 12:02.57 | Gnea | sleep time |
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| 12:03.05 | jm_ | zysoft: that's what is bothering me, but something's terribly screwed |
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| 12:03.58 | zysoft | jm_: By the way: Any other PCs uses 192.168.1.1 as gateway and DNS server and all going right |
| 12:04.25 | briz_ben_boy | sep I found munin |
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| 12:04.32 | jm_ | zysoft: you could check the traffic that reaches DNS server on 192.168.1.1 and compare it to see if it's the same |
| 12:05.09 | jm_ | zysoft: I have to run now, maybe I'll be back later, but you at least know why this is happening, you "only" need to find out what is going on with name resolution ;) |
| 12:05.21 | ankur | where i can find the binary of perl. i m using debian 3.1r1 sarge. and is there any command so that i can find the location for particular binary. except locate command please |
| 12:05.23 | zysoft | jm_: And why the 2.4 kernel works ? |
| 12:05.47 | zysoft | jm_: Thank you very much |
| 12:05.59 | bwlang | ankur: which perl |
| 12:06.04 | dli | zysoft, stop asking in your way, follow the way to locate the problem |
| 12:06.13 | jm_ | zysoft: yeah that's something that you can compare, 2.4 and 2.6 (you can use host command, it's the simplest) |
| 12:06.26 | bwlang | ankur: or maybe you're looking for dpkg -L perl |
| 12:06.35 | zysoft | dli: What do you mean? |
| 12:06.35 | jm_ | but I am really off now |
| 12:06.45 | ankur | bwlang : thank you very much |
| 12:06.45 | _whm_ | Gnea, thank you.. But -l does not work with --showformat, and i would like to get package sizes. I'd like to remove some unneeded packages for disk space.. |
| 12:07.09 | _whm_ | Is that somehow possible? Like in easy way.. |
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| 12:07.21 | zysoft | dli: I don't know what to do. I use Debian just for a week without any preparations |
| 12:07.39 | k-man | what do i have to do so that i can resolve windows hostnames from the command line? |
| 12:07.52 | k-man | ie, ping xyz will get the hostname of a windows box xyz? |
| 12:08.35 | bwlang | _whm_: try this - dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package} ${Status}\n' | grep -v deinstall | sort -n | awk '{print $1" "$2}' |
| 12:08.43 | wizzomafizzo | Hi, I just upgraded to unstable to test it out, I fixed some kinks in it but I was just wondering what (if any) precautions I could take for when I'm upgrading? I heard there was a program that could inform me of serious bugs? |
| 12:09.34 | XSoul | hwo can help me pls . how I can build my own Release.gpg for my repository local |
| 12:10.13 | bwlang | wizzomafizzo: it's called etch... seriously - there's a package that shows you the package changelog apt-listchanges |
| 12:10.34 | bibe | XSoul : I've already pointed you to a link |
| 12:10.45 | bwlang | k-man: net lookup host xyz |
| 12:10.56 | wizzomafizzo | Sure, that's all I need. Thanks. |
| 12:10.58 | bwlang | k-man: samba must be installed |
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| 12:11.02 | XSoul | <bibe> ops sorry I miss that |
| 12:11.05 | k-man | thanks |
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| 12:11.12 | k-man | i was actually looking for nsswitch |
| 12:11.13 | _whm_ | bwlang, thanks it appears to work! I'm going to write that down, it's way too useful! Thanks ;) |
| 12:11.18 | k-man | i couldn't remember the name of the file |
| 12:11.21 | k-man | but i found it now |
| 12:11.27 | k-man | thanks bwlang |
| 12:11.28 | zysoft | dli: Can you help me? |
| 12:11.37 | XSoul | <bibe> do you have the chat log ? i don't |
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| 12:12.32 | dli | zysoft, sorry, I can't |
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| 12:12.36 | bibe | XSoul: http://wiki.debian.org/apt06 |
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| 12:12.45 | XSoul | <bibe> thank you |
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| 12:13.03 | zysoft | dli: What do you think, is jm_ right> |
| 12:13.23 | bibe | XSoul : no problem. but google before asking here, I found it googling for "debian repository Release.gpg howto" |
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| 12:14.01 | dli | zysoft, follow his way to locate, jm_ is an expert |
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| 12:14.31 | zysoft | dli: Can you help me in one more problem? |
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| 12:14.38 | Halifax | hello |
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| 12:14.47 | zysoft | dli: How should I install tar.gz package? |
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| 12:15.00 | bwlang | zysoft: you shouldn't |
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| 12:15.08 | dli | zysoft, apt-cache search foo |
| 12:15.19 | dli | zysoft, find it in debian first |
| 12:15.20 | Halifax | is it possible to go back to stable with a "testing" release ? I read that opposite was possible |
| 12:15.49 | dli | Halifax, it's possible :( but doesn't mean you should try |
| 12:15.52 | bwlang | Halifax: not easily. i think you have to do a lot of manual package wrangling to do that. |
| 12:16.03 | Halifax | ok |
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| 12:16.20 | zysoft | Thank you all! |
| 12:16.40 | Halifax | is testing really dangerous ? In fact, it works quite well since i installed it |
| 12:17.08 | Halifax | (i just use "main" repository, not "contrib" or "no free") |
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| 12:17.25 | bwlang | Halifax: i wouldn't use it on a production server... but for me it's fine for a single user machine - as long as you're willing to put up with the occasional headache |
| 12:17.56 | theturtl3 | hey, ermm, i'm having a weird problem |
| 12:17.56 | Halifax | Well it's for a production server so i guess i'm gonna redo it |
| 12:18.10 | theturtl3 | this machine i am retrying to reboot it. but it won't reboot :\ |
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| 12:18.26 | bwlang | Halifax: it also means that you'll have up update more frequently to avoid a situation where you're making wholesale changes. I update every week or so. |
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| 12:19.26 | theturtl3 | i type reboot, and it kills my ssh terminal, bt if ssh back into it, i can see the shutdown -r process still just sitting there |
| 12:19.32 | theturtl3 | there's like 3 of them now :\ |
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| 12:20.23 | Halifax | bwlang: ok thanks |
| 12:20.49 | Shadur | Check the system logs and the physical console. Like as not there's some process that isn't responding properly to the kill. |
| 12:21.09 | tralala | theturtl3: is this everytime you try to reboot or just now? |
| 12:21.15 | bwlang | theturtl3: it's blocking on something... try strace -p processid |
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| 12:22.27 | theturtl3 | tralala first time its happend |
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| 12:22.43 | theturtl3 | it did once lock up b4 though where i had to do a hard reboot, ssh wouldn't let me login and its a headless server |
| 12:22.47 | PieterO_o | 'nother question: do you *have to* recompile your kernel for framebuffer support? :( |
| 12:22.51 | PieterO_o | or is there a way around? |
| 12:23.24 | theturtl3 | bwlang should i output that to a file somehow? |
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| 12:23.37 | theturtl3 | since once i do the reboot m y ssh conenct will hang from the reboot command |
| 12:24.10 | bwlang | theturtl3: just look at the most recent stuff... if you can't make sense of it copy and paste it into some think like patstebin.ca |
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| 12:25.43 | theturtl3 | hrmm i did strace -p pid one of the old hung pids for shutdown -r doesn't appear the process is doing anything now. |
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| 12:25.54 | theturtl3 | i spose i sh ould start a new reboot |
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| 12:28.12 | theturtl3 | should i do strace reboot > strace.log & |
| 12:28.13 | theturtl3 | :\ |
| 12:28.59 | theturtl3 | weird part is i ahve several processes here that aren't doing anythign when i try to kill -9 them |
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| 12:32.00 | bwlang | theturtl3: try lsof on that process.. maybe you'll be able to tell what it's blocking on... |
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| 12:34.50 | Pendragon` | wenn ich bei einem make so einen fehler bekomme: error: bluetooth/bluetooth.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 12:34.54 | Pendragon` | was kann ich da tun? |
| 12:34.59 | Pendragon` | http://www.unixboard.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=18550 <--heri wird anscheinend eine lösung beschrieben, aber ich kann nicht wirklich damit etwas anfangen |
| 12:35.10 | Pendragon` | die kernel header sind installiert |
| 12:35.13 | Angels2 | english? |
| 12:35.14 | Pendragon` | die datei istauch da |
| 12:35.21 | Pendragon` | sory |
| 12:35.43 | Pendragon` | i got the following error: error: bluetooth/bluetooth.h: file or directry not found |
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| 12:35.49 | Angels2 | sounds like installing bluetooth DEV package... shrug... |
| 12:35.51 | Pendragon` | when i try a make |
| 12:36.04 | Pendragon` | i can find the file with dlocate |
| 12:36.14 | Pendragon` | but it seem make dows not find it |
| 12:36.27 | Angels2 | check with apt-files to which package bluetooth.h belongs |
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| 12:38.47 | joAdmin | Hello all |
| 12:39.10 | bibe | !i joAdmin |
| 12:39.15 | bibe | !hi joAdmin |
| 12:39.20 | joAdmin | what tool can I use for detecting non-free software? |
| 12:39.24 | Pendragon` | mmh, don't know the comand apt-file |
| 12:39.39 | jengelh | joAdmin : Richard Stallman in persona :p |
| 12:39.48 | Pendragon` | but i think it belongs to the kernel-headers |
| 12:40.14 | vin` | joAdmin: tried vrms? |
| 12:40.25 | Mini` | I own a Asus x850xt graphics card but have problems starting up debian in desktop mode, which drivers should i use to make it work? I don't care if it uses my graphic's card full, because i only need to develop. |
| 12:40.30 | PieterO_o | 'nother question: do you *have to* recompile your kernel for framebuffer support? :( |
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| 12:40.42 | vin` | Pendragon`: what apt-file? |
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| 12:41.25 | Pendragon` | no, bluetooth.h |
| 12:42.10 | theturtl3 | hrmm |
| 12:42.14 | theturtl3 | init 6 seems to have done something |
| 12:42.16 | theturtl3 | ;D |
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| 12:42.28 | vin` | PieterO_o: try adding vga=foo in your bootloader, eg. vga=791 |
| 12:42.35 | theturtl3 | why is there 2 commands for reboot, shutdown vs init |
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| 12:43.18 | PieterO_o | vin'> it won't accept that...it wants a numer from 1-6 or so |
| 12:43.24 | inetd | whats service samba restart equivalent in debian? |
| 12:43.35 | PieterO_o | and then gives me vga-fonts, but no framebuffer |
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| 12:44.17 | azeem | theturtl3: there's also the `reboot' command :) |
| 12:44.28 | azeem | theturtl3: they just act on different levels |
| 12:45.28 | fisrado | i was trying to remove some unnecessary packages from the system using apt, but kdebluetoothd gave an error, and ever since I am not able to apt-get anything. the exact The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 12:45.28 | fisrado | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.28 | fisrado | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 12:45.28 | fisrado | "error is " |
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| 12:45.47 | theturtl3 | hrmmwell looks like i'm gonna have to get someone to look at the box locally an yway |
| 12:45.52 | theturtl3 | its not coming back up from reboot now |
| 12:45.54 | theturtl3 | arggg |
| 12:46.22 | theturtl3 | thats if it indeed actually successfully reboot :D , could be hung shutting down something still i spose |
| 12:46.28 | theturtl3 | *rebooted |
| 12:47.22 | fisrado | i was trying to remove some unnecessary packages from the system using apt, but kdebluetoothd gave an error, and ever since I am not able to apt-get anything. the exact error is "The following packages have unmet dependencies:. Try apt-get -f install with no package" ... which i have already tried but its just not working out |
| 12:48.15 | Pendragon` | tried to insall kbluetoothd again? |
| 12:48.26 | fisrado | nope |
| 12:48.30 | fisrado | actually removing it |
| 12:49.04 | fisrado | so it did not happen .. |
| 12:49.51 | fisrado | right now my apt-get is totally unusable, i have tried all the ways to remove kde-bluetoothd but its taken a fancy to my system, just not ready to be purged |
| 12:51.12 | theturtl3 | dpkg -r kde-bluetoothd |
| 12:51.13 | theturtl3 | ? |
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| 12:51.34 | theturtl3 | if thats the package name |
| 12:51.36 | fisrado | dpkg -P kdebluetooth |
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| 12:52.11 | theturtl3 | P? |
| 12:52.18 | theturtl3 | i don't see that in help here |
| 12:52.44 | fisrado | purge? |
| 12:53.10 | fisrado | for dpkg -r i got hte following error |
| 12:53.12 | hejux | hi |
| 12:53.31 | fisrado | dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to |
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| 12:53.51 | hejux | is there anybody interested in cisco ccna and ccnp ? |
| 12:53.56 | fisrado | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.20 | fisrado | hejux, i will be taking up those certs in a months time |
| 12:54.22 | theturtl3 | why hejux u selling yours? |
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| 12:55.11 | hejux | <fisrado>: nice |
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| 12:55.18 | hejux | <theturtl3> pardon ? |
| 12:55.32 | ootput | i recently did a chroot install of sid. I've done so in the past, but this time round, startx fails to load xorg due to some security measure |
| 12:55.35 | vin` | fisrado: try installing it again and then remove it. |
| 12:55.49 | ootput | has something changed? |
| 12:55.55 | yassine | how can list the services that are running on my machine please ? |
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| 12:56.32 | hejux | fisrado, another window !! |
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| 12:58.09 | fisrado | hejux, will take time to register |
| 12:58.10 | jm_ | ootput: what security measure? |
| 12:58.37 | hejux | ok i see |
| 12:58.40 | fisrado | anyways ... |
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| 12:58.48 | fisrado | i got the exact answers for my problem |
| 12:58.49 | fisrado | :D |
| 12:59.02 | fisrado | http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23370 |
| 12:59.08 | jm_ | !tell yassine -about services |
| 12:59.14 | jm_ | !tell yassine -about open ports |
| 13:00.05 | hejux | <fisrado>:how do your people earn if he or she has the ccnp ? |
| 13:00.15 | ootput | jm_: ah blast! I thought I had a log of the error message either in /var/log/Xorg.. or in a redirect-of-startx |
| 13:00.16 | hejux | how much .. |
| 13:00.39 | fisrado | by wroking with a networking firm |
| 13:00.43 | ootput | i'll have to boot into it to test out X |
| 13:01.02 | hejux | average ? |
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| 13:01.33 | fisrado | @ $2000 |
| 13:02.03 | hejux | @ USA ? |
| 13:02.03 | ravenbird | methinks usa is a degraded toilet roll that has been laying on the piss soking toilet matt for 10years, or a continent with a large amount of crack addicts |
| 13:02.28 | Ronin | new bot in the channel? |
| 13:02.39 | jm_ | it's hardly new |
| 13:02.54 | fisrado | nope ... not in usa |
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| 13:02.59 | hejux | that is not much |
| 13:03.05 | Ronin | fortinuatly its not as annoying as many of the others |
| 13:03.14 | jm_ | it can be ;) |
| 13:03.18 | jethro | @annoy Ronin |
| 13:03.19 | ravenbird | Ronin: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
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| 13:03.33 | fisrado | lol ... yeah .. its not much in US but in asia its a lot |
| 13:03.38 | Ronin | jethro: who's is it? and if not an "offical" one why is it stil lhere :) |
| 13:03.43 | Ronin | damn it, i mean jm_ |
| 13:03.53 | jethro | Ronin: I believe it's simonrvn's bot |
| 13:04.11 | fireba11 | i need a bit of theoretical information .. we got a FTP server for distributing buissnes documents ... currently access is restricted to out customers IPs ... but since not everyone got a fixed IP we are thinking about opening it ... since those are critical files we want to use a more secure method than regular FTP .. what options are there ? |
| 13:04.28 | yassine | thanks you jm_ |
| 13:04.43 | fisrado | fireball ... may be sftp ???? |
| 13:05.05 | fisrado | or secure ftp wit hsome kind of certificate mechanism ... may be |
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| 13:05.57 | fireba11 | fisrado i found quite a few different secure file transfer methods ... there is SFTP, sshFTP and others ... so i don't really knwo what i should look into more |
| 13:06.19 | jethro | fireba11: what's the difference between sftp and sshftp ? |
| 13:06.30 | jm_ | fireba11: FTP+TLS? |
| 13:06.40 | theturtl3 | fireba11 well i'm not sure wwhat your asking |
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| 13:06.54 | Lostpointer | is @DPATCH@ a bash command? |
| 13:07.02 | theturtl3 | obviously ftp clear text is unsecure you shouldn't be using that at all for one |
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| 13:07.15 | theturtl3 | unless your enforcing auth tls for login/control and data connections |
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| 13:07.22 | jelly | fireba11: I don't know what "sshftp" is, but sftp is a subsystem of openssh and it works well. |
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| 13:08.15 | theturtl3 | benefit of use ftp with auth tls is you wouldn't most likely need to change the users clients |
| 13:08.16 | fireba11 | jethro: according to wikipedia secureFTP is FTP partially tunneled over SSH, SFTP is sort of an advancement of scp |
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| 13:08.46 | theturtl3 | sftp would require so |
| 13:09.30 | fireba11 | theturtl3 as long as there is a free client for every platform that would be no problem |
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| 13:09.38 | theturtl3 | there is |
| 13:09.40 | theturtl3 | winscp |
| 13:09.51 | Arafangion | Is mono easy to install as an apache module? |
| 13:09.54 | theturtl3 | you could even use pubkey's so they wuoldn't need to remember their pass |
| 13:09.54 | jengelh | pscp/psftp from putty |
| 13:10.04 | theturtl3 | well they would. |
| 13:10.07 | theturtl3 | nvm that last statement |
| 13:10.21 | theturtl3 | are the unix or win clients? |
| 13:10.26 | theturtl3 | *they |
| 13:10.31 | jengelh | psftp/pscp is available for both |
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| 13:11.05 | theturtl3 | its also command line |
| 13:11.21 | jengelh | then try filezilla as a graphical win32 FE |
| 13:11.21 | fireba11 | theturtl3 of course i need to be able to restrict access to certain users ... i'm using winSCP myself for administration ... |
| 13:11.22 | theturtl3 | winscp is gooey |
| 13:11.35 | jethro | fireba11: if you resort to tunneling ftp in ssh, you'd better use scp. that's just my two cents. |
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| 13:12.32 | Arafangion | Nice, looks like there's a backport of mod-mono. |
| 13:12.40 | theturtl3 | fireba11 i see no reason to quit using your ftpd |
| 13:12.44 | theturtl3 | what ftpd you using |
| 13:12.51 | fireba11 | jethro true |
| 13:13.03 | fireba11 | theturtl3 what do you mean ? |
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| 13:13.18 | theturtl3 | what ftp server do you use? |
| 13:13.41 | fireba11 | theturtl3: vsftpd |
| 13:13.45 | theturtl3 | or were you asking why i say there's no reason to quit using ftp |
| 13:14.05 | fireba11 | theturtl3: yes ... because it's not encrypted :-D |
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| 13:14.20 | theturtl3 | well it can be |
| 13:14.20 | Kernel-Kris | hey i have two one gig flash discs and would like to make a direct copy of one to the other using dd, can anyone tell me what flags i must specify to ensure that both discs will sill be bootable |
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| 13:14.24 | jm_ | vsftpd can do SSL |
| 13:14.24 | theturtl3 | open up your vsftpd.conf |
| 13:14.47 | theturtl3 | uses TLS , fairly strong encryption |
| 13:14.55 | bbrazil | Kernel-Kris: an exact copy should be sufficent |
| 13:15.38 | fireba11 | theturtl3: does it use a special port or does it just support TLS ? |
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| 13:15.48 | theturtl3 | no special port |
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| 13:16.07 | theturtl3 | it just supports it, just not on by default perhaps, i dunno, idon't use vsftpd very often |
| 13:16.33 | theturtl3 | most newer ftp clients support Auth TLS as well, for login and control+data connections |
| 13:16.45 | theturtl3 | so y our directory listing will be secure as well as the file transfers themselves |
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| 13:16.57 | theturtl3 | obviously, i'd hate to you lose the ip restriction |
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| 13:17.11 | theturtl3 | *see you , but if you have to you have to, thats just 1 less security measure you have. |
| 13:17.44 | theturtl3 | not a huge one those i spose unless you advertise the ftp on the web or something ;) |
| 13:17.46 | EmleyMoor | Something nasty seems to have happened to python in testing - I'm getting "cannot execute binary file" when I try to run my Jabber <-> Legacy IM transports |
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| 13:17.50 | fireba11 | theturtl3: well we got customers without fixed IP so i have to find a way to provide them easy access without opening any security holes |
| 13:18.02 | theturtl3 | indeed. |
| 13:18.18 | theturtl3 | if you were using normal ftp b4 with ip restriction, uses Auth TLS would be a step up |
| 13:18.22 | theturtl3 | normal ftp == ver insecure |
| 13:18.28 | theturtl3 | *using |
| 13:18.30 | fireba11 | theturtl3: i know |
| 13:18.37 | jethro | pfft |
| 13:18.39 | Kernel-Kris | bbrazil: so i do dd if=/dev/sda of=flash.img but with i put it back on the flash disc its not bootable |
| 13:18.48 | fireba11 | theturtl3: i didn't set that up .. was that way when i joined the company 9 months ago |
| 13:19.02 | EmleyMoor | When was python last changed in testing? |
| 13:19.23 | theturtl3 | understandable |
| 13:20.08 | theturtl3 | i think that'd fit your needs nicely, no need to upgrade clients probably. and it will work fairly securely |
| 13:20.23 | theturtl3 | short of someone social engineering the password out of one of your clients |
| 13:20.26 | theturtl3 | :D |
| 13:20.26 | fireba11 | theturtl3: hm .. is there a way to use SSL over dedicated port ? i did that for the pop/smtp/imap services :-) |
| 13:20.52 | theturtl3 | fireba11 it'd be run right off port 21 |
| 13:20.52 | jethro | theturtl3: you also forget the impact in case fireba11 uses NAT between his ftpd and the internet. |
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| 13:21.17 | theturtl3 | or whatever vsftpd listens on |
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| 13:21.31 | fireba11 | jethro ? |
| 13:21.31 | theturtl3 | jethro ermm ? none? |
| 13:21.46 | theturtl3 | he's been using ftp |
| 13:21.48 | jethro | yeah right, none :) |
| 13:21.57 | theturtl3 | i imagine his firewall is already setup for it |
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| 13:22.08 | theturtl3 | using ssl would not change that one bit |
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| 13:22.30 | jethro | theturtl3: the difference is that a connection tracking firewall able to handle ftp flows will not be able to look for the PORT commands in the ftp-control stream, if it's ciphered using tls. but you're right, no impact. |
| 13:22.47 | jethro | ftp must die. |
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| 13:22.57 | fireba11 | jethro what would you use then? :-) |
| 13:23.05 | jethro | fireba11: scp :) |
| 13:23.52 | yaarg | FTP is still a viable solution if you just want anonymous file transfer (distributing isos or whatever) |
| 13:24.14 | jethro | yaarg: agreed. as soon as you think strong authentication, and ciphering, you'd better use scp. |
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| 13:25.01 | fireba11 | jethro hm .. scp uses ssh port, right ? |
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| 13:25.15 | jethro | fireba11: indeed. and just one flow, from client to server. |
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| 13:25.59 | fireba11 | jethro is there any way to limit the users able to connect ? so not all exisiting users are allowed to use scp ? |
| 13:26.24 | jethro | fireba11: yes. man sshd_config, look for AllowUser |
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| 13:26.59 | Rothgar` | Hmm |
| 13:27.05 | fireba11 | jethro sounds good then ... i just need to make sure only to allow what i really need :-) |
| 13:27.10 | Rothgar` | How do I check installed packages etc? |
| 13:27.18 | fireba11 | jethro we don't have that much users using that .. |
| 13:27.48 | Rothgar` | Like I installed mysql-server instead on mysql-server-4.1 I wanted to remove it and used remove however it left all the dependency packages installed it seemed and only removed mysql |
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| 13:28.03 | jethro | fireba11: you might want to have a look at that http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ |
| 13:28.16 | jm_ | Rothgar`: start using aptitude/learn about deborphan/debfoster |
| 13:28.18 | theturtl3 | or u could change 1 or 2 optiosn in vsftpd.conf and tell your clients to check SSL in their ftp clients, |
| 13:28.19 | jethro | fireba11: if you don't want to allow them a shell access. |
| 13:28.21 | theturtl3 | 5mins tops :D |
| 13:28.36 | Rothgar` | jm_: Learn aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 13:29.02 | fireba11 | jethro: will do, thanks |
| 13:29.04 | jm_ | Rothgar`: yup, it can remove packages that were installed along something which you remove later |
| 13:29.17 | jethro | fireba11: you're welcome! and don't bother setting up ftp/tls, it's really not worth it imho. |
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| 13:29.50 | Rothgar` | jm_: I don't get it? And deborphan and debfoster are packages? |
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| 13:30.15 | jm_ | Rothgar`: 1) well then read aptitude docs, 2) yes |
| 13:31.15 | fireba11 | jethro: probably true ... |
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| 13:32.50 | jethro | ouch |
| 13:32.54 | jetscreamer | or jet<tab> |
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| 13:39.02 | keith80403 | What is the Debian equivalent to the "makewhatis" command on RedHat/Fedora ? |
| 13:39.16 | azeem | keith80403: what does that command do? |
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| 13:39.28 | Chameleon22 | can anyone recommend can anyone suggest a better log parser simular to logwatch? |
| 13:39.41 | mccune | keith80403: it's makewhatis |
| 13:39.42 | keith80403 | azeem, makewhatis creates the index used by the "apropos" or "man -k" commands. |
| 13:40.01 | keith80403 | mccune, let me see if I can find it on the Sarge machine I just set up. |
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| 13:40.20 | jm_ | keith80403: Debian does that by itself |
| 13:40.39 | gteppel | I'm running Debian stable and just bought a Samsung ML-2010 Mono Laser Printer, i plugged the printer into the computer using a USB cable but when I issue a "lsusb" I don't get any devices. What step should I take next? |
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| 13:41.02 | jm_ | keith80403: that is, you don't need to run this |
| 13:41.10 | keith80403 | jm_, How? I'm trying to get a cross-reference together for Debian. |
| 13:41.17 | ogperu | Salitas, are you here? |
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| 13:41.29 | azeem | keith80403: it is done by one of the regular cron runs |
| 13:41.32 | ferronica1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.38 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 13:42.03 | ferronica1 | any one hetre |
| 13:42.04 | keith80403 | azeem and jm_ and mccune - OK, thank you, I'll cruise through the cron jobs - appreciate the feedback. |
| 13:42.06 | ferronica1 | here* |
| 13:42.10 | jm_ | keith80403: see /etc/cron.daily/man-db |
| 13:42.11 | kspath | keith80403: Did you do a man whatis? |
| 13:42.52 | keith80403 | kspath, I found whatis, yes. I was looking for the process by which the index used by whatis was created. |
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| 13:45.53 | kspath | keith80403: egrep -r "whatis" /etc/ |
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| 13:46.41 | keith80403 | kspath, I'll try the egrep -r command now. |
| 13:46.49 | Rothgar` | jm_: I can't get dependencies on packages not installed |
| 13:47.21 | jm_ | Rothgar`: ehh? |
| 13:47.32 | yaarg | haha |
| 13:47.35 | keith80403 | kspath, Still not quite what I'm looking for. I'll keep looking. Thanks. |
| 13:47.53 | kspath | keith80403: egrep -r "whatis" /var/ |
| 13:47.59 | Rothgar` | jm_: You said aptitude could list dependencies/remove dependencies on removed packages? |
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| 13:49.07 | kspath | keith80403: You can use some of the information in man whatis as keywords for searches. |
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| 13:49.31 | keith80403 | kspath, Let me check those. |
| 13:49.33 | jm_ | Rothgar`: only if you installed it with aptitude ;) |
| 13:49.34 | pengol | hi there is there a way to recreate a deleted fstab from a running system? |
| 13:49.42 | jm_ | but I have to run now |
| 13:49.44 | Rothgar` | jm_: AH lol |
| 13:49.57 | Rothgar` | I am having to use debfoster -s |
| 13:50.11 | Arafangion | pengol: Not really, but you could use /proc/mounts as a point of reference. |
| 13:50.15 | Chameleon22 | can anyone recommend can anyone suggest a better log parser simular to logwatch? |
| 13:50.19 | nethen | pengol: i think that you can do cp /etc/mtab /etc/fstab |
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| 13:51.13 | pengol | nethen: I also tought about it plus I need to add removable devices entries |
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| 13:51.16 | keith80403 | kspath, debconf/templates.dat has a message that resembles what I'm looking for. |
| 13:51.31 | Arafangion | pengol: For usb discs? I prefer using automount daemons for that. |
| 13:51.40 | pengol | Arafangion: thanks :) |
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| 13:52.19 | Arafangion | pengol: I currently use usbmount (I think that's what it is called), as it doesn't require gnome (I dislike tight coupling), however vfat support is not on by default - edit the config for that. |
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| 13:52.37 | fireba11 | hm .. how to find out who last edited a dpkg-bot entry ? |
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| 13:52.44 | fireba11 | someone messed up one ^^ |
| 13:52.45 | pengol | I'll have a look thanks |
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| 13:54.55 | limpio | i'm using sarge with XFS/LILO on hda, there is no boot menu, which is fine. But i'm planning to install sid on hdd wih XFS/LILO, will a boot menu appear automagically once the sid is installed, in order to choose which OS to boot? |
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| 13:55.59 | jetscreamer | !xmd5 |
| 13:55.59 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 13:56.08 | Th3_Ghost | hello all i have strange problem with xserver-xorg 7.0.17 on debian sid.After i try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it didn`t write out xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ and also says postinst warning: /etc/X11/X has been customized |
| 13:56.15 | PredaGR | is there any print billing software for use with CUPS and by not using CUPS driver? |
| 13:56.45 | PredaGR | can I get the billing out of pages_log somehow? |
| 13:56.50 | fireba11 | jm_ wasn't there some version history for dpkg's answers ? |
| 13:56.57 | nethen | i'm trying to install nvidia 3d drivers, using m-a a-i nvidia but it says Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available. I'm using debian testing, with xorg. Should I add something to my sources.list or just dowload the ones from nvidia.com? |
| 13:57.01 | Th3_Ghost | i have done apt-get remove xserver-xorg , dpkg --purge xserver-xorg |
| 13:57.06 | eps | Th3_Ghost read the wiki |
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| 13:57.11 | eps | also, iirc it doesn't mean anything |
| 13:57.22 | eps | well it does, but you can ignore it |
| 13:58.12 | Th3_Ghost | eps wiki for debian xserver-xorg? |
| 13:58.36 | eps | first thing in the topic: xorg 7.0 in unstable, BEWARE UNSTABLE: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 13:58.52 | eps | your issue is covered in the wiki page there :) |
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| 13:59.27 | Th3_Ghost | eps i`ll see 10x |
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| 14:01.10 | fireba11 | eps: the wiki is looking neat ... never took a look at it so far :-) |
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| 14:02.32 | eps | fireba11 so far every issue I've had with x.org7 update I've had way before they've put the solution there...myself and a mate just work through each problem and dump what we find here - I assume others are doing the same and it gets updated |
| 14:03.14 | eps | apart from one case where I needed a gui asap and a packages preinst was borked the transition has been handled rather well :) |
| 14:03.37 | eps | oh and each time I recompile nvidia drivers I keep forgetting to put the new module path swicth :P |
| 14:04.04 | Th3_Ghost | eps there is no such issue in wiki like mine ... |
| 14:04.28 | eps | Th3_Ghost really? oh, give me a moment |
| 14:04.55 | fireba11 | eps *g* |
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| 14:05.32 | Th3_Ghost | i`m having working x ... the problem is that it doesn`t write xorg.com after everything i have done ... |
| 14:05.45 | Th3_Ghost | sry xorg.conf .. |
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| 14:05.54 | eps | oh that |
| 14:06.05 | eps | peh, why do you need a new xorg.conf? |
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| 14:06.33 | novata | hi |
| 14:06.52 | eps | if you desperately want one just mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old |
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| 14:07.02 | eps | and just dpkg -i xorg iirc |
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| 14:08.11 | Th3_Ghost | cause i replace often VGAs ... i can edit it manually .... but it annoys me |
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| 14:08.42 | eps | read the last lines of mine then |
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| 14:09.23 | keith80403 | kspath, A web search for "debian makewhatis" turned up "mandb -c" as the equivalent to the "makewhatis" command, so my question is answered. |
| 14:09.45 | eps | basically when you move it dpkg will recreate a file there when you reconfig (or what ever) which will not look like it has been edited and you can easily dump the dpkg outputted file there |
| 14:09.49 | eps | or some thing like that |
| 14:09.51 | azeem | keith80403: probably makewhatis calls that internally, with some additional stuff around it |
| 14:10.01 | keith80403 | azeem, Could be. |
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| 14:11.32 | ranpha | hi when i want to install debain unstable it gives the message that the kernel on the cd doesn't match with the kernel in the srchive and it wont install the kernel modules...is this correct? |
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| 14:13.49 | Th3_Ghost | eps very strange indeed cause i have done this :) but when it comes to display section it always wuits with this message postinst warning: /etc/X11/X has been |
| 14:14.02 | Th3_Ghost | customized .. |
| 14:14.52 | Th3_Ghost | and didn`t write it at all ... i have done ... many things with md5sum .. like it was previously ... but no effect |
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| 14:16.48 | eps | weird |
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| 14:17.35 | Ademan | when you mount volumes, if you know the root password are you able to mount the volume WITH root priviledges? or do you hafta log in first or something? |
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| 14:18.11 | stew | Ademan: usually only root can mount volumes anyway |
| 14:18.59 | stew | Ademan: and if you have the root password you can do anything WITH root priviledges |
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| 14:20.13 | Ademan | stew: well see i'm trying to modify my hard drive using a knoppix LiveCD(my sarge install can't boot all the way), but i dont have permission to access what i want... so i dont quite know what to do. |
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| 14:21.48 | stew | Ademan: you need to become root in the knoppix system. none of the passwords on the debian drive matter if you are booted to knoppix. running "sudo su" should make you root in the knoppix system |
| 14:21.57 | ongeboren | hi, what happened to gnome's boot-admin ? i can't find it anywhere ? |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | in which version of debian? |
| 14:22.11 | Ademan | well i think i'm already root |
| 14:22.17 | Ademan | and su does nothing |
| 14:22.34 | ongeboren | abrotman, latest unstable, if you're asking me.. |
| 14:22.55 | Ademan | i just did sudo su and now i'm root in knoppix |
| 14:22.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | ongeboren: do you know the name of the actual application or package? |
| 14:23.33 | ongeboren | abrotman, it seems to have been gnome-system-tools and the application is boot-admin |
| 14:23.40 | abrotman | !info gnome-system-tools sid |
| 14:23.58 | ongeboren | abrotman, it was a nice gtk boot configurator.. |
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| 14:24.33 | abrotman | !tell AndroidData about root |
| 14:24.59 | stew | Ademan: if you are root, you will be able to edit whatever you want on your debian partition |
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| 14:25.18 | Ademan | well i'm knoppix root... |
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| 14:26.06 | ongeboren | abrotman, by listing the files in gnome-system-tools i see some docs about boot-admin, but the binary itself doesn't exist anywhere |
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| 14:26.26 | pengol | where do I see defaults options for a given mount point entry? |
| 14:26.26 | mini__ | Where can i download drivers for asus x850xt ? |
| 14:26.37 | ongeboren | it seems like this has been introduced with gnome 2.14, 2.12 was ok |
| 14:26.58 | mini__ | I have google'd insane :S |
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| 14:27.36 | AndroidData | hello |
| 14:27.40 | stew | pengol: in /etc/fstab? |
| 14:27.45 | AndroidData | I have a script which isn't working |
| 14:27.50 | pengol | stew: yep |
| 14:27.51 | AndroidData | uh |
| 14:28.04 | AndroidData | Basically it uses useradd -p password -u username I think |
| 14:28.08 | dpkg | gnome-system-tools: (Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 2702 kB, Installed size: 6896 kB |
| 14:28.08 | stew | pengol: i mean, does that answer your question, or is your question more involved? |
| 14:28.09 | Ademan | stew, in the console i'm root and i tried "kwrite blacklist" and i got a bunch of errors but it did come up but i can't save |
| 14:28.11 | abrotman | ongeboren: i thought they renamed it |
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| 14:28.25 | AndroidData | The user is added fine, however the password isn't encrypted before it is placed in /etc/passwd |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | ongeboren: i386 .. right ? |
| 14:28.38 | AndroidData | How do I make my script encrypt the password before using the usermod command? |
| 14:28.39 | ongeboren | abrotman, yes |
| 14:28.57 | mini__ | Is there a standard driver in debian stai can use to make desktop work with my asus x850 graphics card? |
| 14:29.01 | stew | Ademan: in the shell where you typed "kwrite blacklist", type "id" does that spit out a line starting with "uid=0"? |
| 14:29.04 | mini__ | that* |
| 14:29.18 | pengol | stew: the default option seems to change depending on the mount entry nature ... where do I see what it correspond to? |
| 14:29.18 | mini__ | This console is 2tm fucked :) |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | ongeboren: have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:29.37 | ongeboren | abrotman, somebody suggested that boot-admin isn't included by default and that the package must be recompiled.. |
| 14:29.47 | stew | pengol: how are you mounting? with the mount command? with some automounter? |
| 14:30.01 | abrotman | ongeboren: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309932 |
| 14:30.05 | pengol | stew: sorry I have bad english |
| 14:30.15 | Ademan | stew: yep "uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)" |
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| 14:30.34 | keyhack | After I modify my tftpd settings in /etc/inetd.conf, how do I make it take effect? |
| 14:30.39 | stew | Ademan: try a different editor, i suggest nano as a simple, easy to use one |
| 14:30.40 | abrotman | ongeboren: it was removed .. apparently it doesn't work so well |
| 14:30.50 | abrotman | ongeboren: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307524 |
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| 14:31.27 | AndroidData | I have a CGI script which sends the command "useradd -p password -d /var/www/username -m username" to shell. This command adds the user to /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and sets it's home directory and all. It's working fine, apart from the password; it isn't encrypted and users added this way cannot login. How do I encrypt the password so that it will work properly? (The CGI application I'm using compiles the CGI script to bytecode, which i |
| 14:31.43 | Ademan | i'm comfortable with vi... and unfortunately it says (readonly) at the bottom, and we'll see if it lets me save or not |
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| 14:32.00 | cafuego | LLAMA! |
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| 14:32.25 | pengol | looking at the fstab entries I have both sysfs and devpts mounted with the defaults options but when they are mounted one is mounted with (rw) and the other with (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 14:32.32 | ongeboren | abrotman, i see.. but.. i don't get the point, most of the users have a windows + linux - they don't need complext multi-modules boot support (whatever that this means) |
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| 14:33.25 | darrh00 | Hi ,I forget to add --purge option to apt-get remove hotplug,so udev warn me to purge hotplug,but I have removed hotplug,how can I purge it without install it again/ |
| 14:33.26 | pengol | it seems that the word default has different meaning for different type of mount where does mount take these defaults? |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | ongeboren: well .. i mean .. you can file a bug on it .. ask to have it put back |
| 14:33.51 | ongeboren | ok, thanks for pointing it.. |
| 14:34.16 | keyhack | After making modifications to /etc/inetd.conf, how do I apply the changes? |
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| 14:34.17 | ongeboren | we'll see about the bug reports.. i dislike the bts :) |
| 14:34.30 | Ademan | stew: yeah vi won't let me save either even with the override |
| 14:34.47 | Ademan | and i dont have nano |
| 14:34.59 | AndroidData | I have a CGI script which sends the command "useradd -p password -d /var/www/username -m username" to shell. This command adds the user to /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and sets it's home directory and all. It's working fine, apart from the password; it isn't encrypted and users added this way cannot login. How do I encrypt the password so that it will work properly? (The CGI application I'm using compiles the CGI script to bytecode, which i |
| 14:35.01 | ongeboren | Ademan, check the file permissions |
| 14:35.03 | darrh00 | how to purge a package if I have removed that package?? |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | ongeboren: bugs are good! |
| 14:35.22 | abrotman | ongeboren: erm .. bugs are bad .. getting them fixed is good! |
| 14:35.29 | ongeboren | hehe |
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| 14:35.40 | fireba11 | darrh00: same as you purge it when it is installed |
| 14:35.45 | Ademan | ongeboren: no i know i don't have permission to it, i'm trying to use the KNoppix liveCD to alter files on my hard drive (i know the root password, it is MY computer) |
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| 14:35.51 | ongeboren | i know.. i spend 80% in bugfixing :) |
| 14:35.53 | stew | Ademan: is the partition mounted readonly? |
| 14:36.10 | Ademan | stew: probably |
| 14:36.41 | darrh00 | fireba11:but I have removed that package without the --purge option,so just apt-get remove --purge hotplug will show me that hotplug is not installed |
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| 14:36.46 | ongeboren | Ademan, if you're from a live cd, you will need to unmount and mount the partition manually, as the live cd will mount it read-only be default for safety reasons |
| 14:37.01 | stew | Ademan: mount -o remount,rw /mnt/point |
| 14:37.02 | fireba11 | darrh00 ah well .. then re-install it then purge it :-) |
| 14:37.25 | Ademan | whats the -o ? |
| 14:37.32 | stew | Ademan: options |
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| 14:38.55 | Ademan | with the comma it says "mount: /mnt/hda1 not mounted already, or bad option, without, its asking for me to specify the filesystem (xfs) how do i specify? and i know i have the mount point right |
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| 14:39.58 | stew | Ademan: mount -o remount,rw /mount/point ; you shouldnt need to specify the filesystem type, but if you really need to, "-t xfs" |
| 14:40.00 | darrh00 | fireba11:oh my god!to re-install hotplug I have to remove "gnome-power-manager gnome-volume-manager hal hal-device-manager initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 udev" ,and then I have to install them all again.btw:I have only one kernel image. |
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| 14:40.06 | AndroidData | I have a CGI script which sends the command "useradd -p password -d /var/www/username -m username" to shell. This command adds the user to /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and sets it's home directory and all. It's working fine, apart from the password; it isn't encrypted and users added this way cannot login. How do I encrypt the password so that it will work properly? (The CGI application I'm using compiles the CGI script to bytecode, which i |
| 14:40.55 | stew | darrh00: hotplug and udev now conflict, udev provides all of the functionality that hotplug does. since gnome-volume-manager and initramfs-tools depend on udev, you cannot use those with hotplug |
| 14:41.23 | fireba11 | darrh00: why you wnat ot purged anyway ? |
| 14:42.41 | fireba11 | want it even |
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| 14:44.13 | darrh00 | fireba11:that is what dpkg-reconfigure udev tells me "Please purge the hotplug package! (/etc/init.d/hotplug has been found on this system)",so it maybe that when I upgrade hotplug to udev,but I may have changed something in /dev/init.d/hotplug,so udev doesn't purge hotplog. |
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| 14:44.35 | darrh00 | is it ok that I just delete /etc/init.d/hotplug? |
| 14:44.44 | fireba11 | darrh00 yes |
| 14:44.50 | stew | darrh00: no, purge hotplug |
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| 14:45.07 | prudhvi | what package provides alsaconf |
| 14:45.07 | fireba11 | stew: it seems he can#t purge because he already uninstalled |
| 14:45.12 | stew | darrh00: of course udev cannot purge hotplug for you, even if you haven't change the config |
| 14:45.15 | stew | fireba11: why not? |
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| 14:45.24 | stew | darrh00: dpkg -P hotplug |
| 14:46.29 | darrh00 | stew:thanks!it works! dpkg has super cow power! |
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| 14:47.31 | Franz | hallo world |
| 14:48.06 | fireba11 | stew he said it didn't work .. and i wasn't 100% sure if it could work |
| 14:48.10 | fireba11 | ah well |
| 14:48.19 | Franz | One customer ask me if server HP Prolian ML have the adapter scsi compatible with OS Linux Debian Sarge.. |
| 14:48.43 | Franz | The adapter is ULTRA 320 (I Think) |
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| 14:50.06 | sepski | Franz, first find out the chipset of the scsi controller. compare with the linux kernels in debian sarge (2.6.8 and 2.4.27) |
| 14:50.19 | ootput | aptitude install xserver-xorg is all that's needed to get xorg on a system, isn't it? |
| 14:50.40 | ootput | atm, only root can startx |
| 14:50.55 | ootput | and I've made sure that X is setuid+setguid |
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| 14:51.47 | stew | ootput: what happens when a user tries to startx? |
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| 14:52.01 | yaarg | x-window-system-core too iiirc |
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| 14:53.28 | ootput | stew: I can't pastebin the error as i can't get into X to run a browser |
| 14:53.35 | ootput | stew: could i either msg u, or #flood it? |
| 14:53.47 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 14:53.47 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is, like, you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m |
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| 14:54.05 | stew | ootput: #flood is ok |
| 14:54.23 | stew | ootput: but i'm not going to wait around for your entire xorg.log to show up there or anything |
| 14:54.37 | ootput | stew: no, it's just the error output |
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| 14:54.53 | ootput | stew: i'll try the c.d.n/paste if you'd like |
| 14:54.53 | stew | ootput: you probably just need to edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 14:55.03 | ootput | stew: that's the problem, it doesn't exist |
| 14:55.16 | ootput | that's why i'm concerned that I'm missing a package |
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| 14:55.38 | stew | ootput: you aren't, you just removed that file and you shouldn't have, which version of x11-common do you have installed? |
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| 14:56.35 | ootput | stew: apt-file search shows that it's in xserver-common, but apparently that conflicts with xserver-xorg |
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| 14:56.53 | ootput | stew: 7.0.17 |
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| 14:57.08 | stew | ootput: its in x11-common then, you need to reinstall it with confmiss, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:57.46 | ootput | stew: cheers, i'll try it |
| 14:58.02 | stew | ootput: or you could try "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and see if it wants to generate one for you, but i'm not sure if that will work |
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| 14:58.37 | space | hi at all |
| 14:58.38 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Question: this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2526 i usually relate in my head with imminent catastrophic disk failure. But in a PC i changed the disk (copied the partitions and all) with a new one. Then changed the data bus. Then i changed the CPU. Still, the error remains, only thing in common is the O.S., Sarge. Ideas? just bad luck that the new disk was bad too? |
| 14:59.08 | ootput | stew: that did it |
| 14:59.14 | ootput | stew: it generated Xwrapper.conf |
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| 14:59.18 | ootput | ig |
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| 14:59.50 | ootput | stew: awesome mate, it worked |
| 14:59.55 | stew | Jimmymaniac: you can get those errors with a bad cable as well |
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| 15:01.06 | ootput | ah, no, i guess it didn't |
| 15:01.08 | beered_ | I have xfonts-artwiz installed but for some reason I still get an error message that aterm: can't load font "-artwiz-smooth-medium-r-semicondensed--10-120-75-75-m-60-iso10646-1" |
| 15:01.13 | peterS | !ops GuL onjoin |
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| 15:01.20 | ootput | error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 15:01.20 | wakejagr | several programs that work on a vt won't "play nice" with aterm or xterm. if i run elinks or mutt inside aterm, i get strange artifacts that seem to be related to lines (turning off frames in elinks clears up the problem). what do i need to check to get this fixed? do i have fonts missing, maybe? |
| 15:01.24 | Jimmymaniac | stew: changed it, also even changed the whole CPU when the error kept coming up... |
| 15:01.40 | stew | Jimmymaniac: make sure things aren't overheating |
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| 15:01.49 | Jimmymaniac | hmmm, that too... |
| 15:01.57 | Jimmymaniac | what else could be causing it? |
| 15:02.06 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.27 | stew | ootput: maybe you are missing packages. "apt-get install xorg" |
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| 15:02.55 | ootput | stew: same |
| 15:03.03 | ootput | --reinstall didn't make a difference |
| 15:03.07 | tarzeau | why does firefox/mozilla get robots.txt files??? |
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| 15:03.30 | tarzeau | wakejagr: can you show screenshots? |
| 15:03.31 | yang | is there teamspeak client for linux packed in debian? |
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| 15:03.38 | stew | ootput: you might need to do it with confmiss. did you remove your entire /etc/X11 directory at some point or something? |
| 15:03.39 | tarzeau | wakejagr: does it happen with links2 too? |
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| 15:03.52 | tarzeau | yang: there's no source, is there? |
| 15:03.53 | ootput | stew: this is a fresh chrooted sid install |
| 15:04.01 | peterS | thanks, azeem |
| 15:04.04 | ootput | stew: I haven't done a thing with it besides aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 15:04.08 | ootput | and some other packages |
| 15:04.16 | runa_ | how can i force a scandisk on boot of / |
| 15:04.44 | ootput | stew: it inherited a working copy of xorg.conf from a previous sid install, but other than that, nothing's been modified |
| 15:04.46 | tarzeau | runa_: touch /forcefsck |
| 15:04.59 | wakejagr | tarzeau: i'll try to get a screenshot, but i haven't tried with links2. i'm assuming a variety of curses stuff will have problems |
| 15:05.14 | space | hi dudes, i have a problem with my pci sound card (audigy 4), just loads the driver for the onboard sound, the sound card driver i've installed, but the card won't be load at startup |
| 15:05.15 | tarzeau | wakejagr: utf8? |
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| 15:05.35 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 15:05.36 | dpkg | it has been said that tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
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| 15:05.43 | stew | ootput: in that case you might try saving xorg.conf, purging x11-common, then installing "xorg" again |
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| 15:07.01 | wakejagr | tarzeau: LANG, etc are en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:07.11 | grendal_prime | anybody recomend an swf editing application? something to add text to an swf video. there seems to be no plugin for kino to do this sort of editing |
| 15:07.22 | tarzeau | wakejagr: and which terminal? aterm is different and all of them are different |
| 15:07.31 | space | any suggestions for my problem? |
| 15:07.36 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: no. |
| 15:07.40 | wakejagr | tarzeau: links2 didn't give any problems |
| 15:07.42 | grendal_prime | I need to do some documentation. and it would be cool if i could just use vnc2swf |
| 15:07.48 | grendal_prime | well fuk |
| 15:07.52 | grendal_prime | oops |
| 15:07.53 | wakejagr | tarzeau: aterm and xterm have same issues |
| 15:07.57 | grendal_prime | did i type that? |
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| 15:08.03 | tarzeau | wakejagr: you can turn on line frames in the meni, check f9 |
| 15:08.31 | ootput | stew: oddly enough, conf-miss xserver-xorg says: postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 15:08.35 | wakejagr | tarzeau: thanks, i'll look into that |
| 15:09.19 | space | no ideas? ... anyone? |
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| 15:10.09 | ootput | stew: with xorg, is x11-common supposed to be installed rather than xserver-common? |
| 15:11.01 | stew | ootput: yes |
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| 15:12.27 | stew | ootput: although my /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy is a non purged conffile of xserver-common which i don't have installed. you may have found a pacakging error |
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| 15:12.45 | ootput | stew: yeah |
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| 15:14.54 | ootput | bts it is |
| 15:15.02 | stew | ootput: you could try purging x11-common, installing xserver-common, then install xorg |
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| 15:15.15 | space | hiho, what can I do when the system doesnt recognizes my sound card? :-/ |
| 15:15.17 | wakejagr | tarzeau: i was wrong about xterm. everything works in xterm, aterm messes up line frames. guess i use xterm . . . |
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| 15:18.14 | ootput | stew: hmm, i'll try syncing up with f.d.o |
| 15:18.15 | space | ok, i guess nobody has the knowledge to help me, what a pity |
| 15:18.28 | petemc | tragic |
| 15:18.42 | space | yeah :-/ |
| 15:18.48 | stew | ootput: freedesktop.org? |
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| 15:19.12 | ootput | ftp.deb.org |
| 15:19.16 | ootput | rather than a local mirror |
| 15:19.21 | stew | oh |
| 15:20.08 | kspath | wakejagr: Are "line frames" supported by rxvt and those based on it like aterm and wterm ... ? |
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| 15:20.42 | ootput | wakejagr: are you using a utf8 locale? |
| 15:20.58 | wakejagr | kspath: the machine i'm on is a new install - on my main box, aterm works fine with line frames |
| 15:22.02 | wakejagr | ootput: yes, locale is utf8 (i assume from the output of locale, which includes LANG set to en_us.UTF-8) |
| 15:23.38 | ootput | stew: i'm going to have to wait this one out |
| 15:23.50 | ootput | stew: i've done what you suggested earlier with the purges |
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| 15:24.13 | ootput | stew: i have a feeling that it is indeed a packaging error |
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| 15:24.35 | ootput | I'll add it to the many submissions @ bts |
| 15:24.45 | stew | ootput: did you try installing xserver-common before installing xorg? |
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| 15:25.13 | tarzeau | wakejagr: or Terminal.app ? |
| 15:25.45 | ootput | stew: yep |
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| 15:26.04 | stew | ootput: and what is the error you are getting? missing SecurityPolicy still? |
| 15:26.10 | ootput | yes |
| 15:26.43 | stew | ootput: and "dpkg -l xserver-common" returns a line starting with "rc"? |
| 15:27.15 | ootput | stew: does a missing SecurityPolicy on your system result in X failing to load? |
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| 15:27.29 | ootput | outside of /etc/X11/xserver, that is |
| 15:27.51 | stew | ootput: i don't know, i thought that's what you told me though |
| 15:28.02 | ootput | stew: but in your case |
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| 15:28.15 | ootput | stew: as you mentioned earlier, xserver-common isn't listed as being installed |
| 15:28.22 | ootput | stew: and yet you still have that file |
| 15:28.32 | sfire||mouse | is there a way to have apt-get unpack debs in someplace besides /tmp. I have /tmp set to noexec |
| 15:28.36 | stew | ootput: yes, becuase i didn't purge that package so the config files are still there |
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| 15:29.18 | stew | sfire||mouse: if there is a way it would be in man apt.conf |
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| 15:29.28 | ootput | stew: it returns un |
| 15:29.45 | stew | ootput: yeah, meaning you didnt' install it before installing xorg |
| 15:29.48 | sfire||mouse | stew: thanks for the pointer |
| 15:29.59 | stew | ootput: if you install it and install xorg, it should remove that package and not purge it |
| 15:30.14 | beered | I have xfonts-artwiz installed but for some reason I still get an error message that aterm: can't load font "-artwiz-smooth-medium-r-semicondensed--10-120-75-75-m-60-iso10646-1" |
| 15:30.20 | stew | ootput: which would give you a line starting with rc, the c meaning the config files are still there |
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| 15:30.52 | ootput | alright |
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| 15:31.18 | stew | 11:16 < stew> ootput: you could try purging x11-common, installing xserver-common, then install xorg |
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| 15:31.56 | d-s-d | hi |
| 15:32.44 | treyh0 | why are portmap and other rpc programs part of the default debian install, listening on all network interfaces? i mean, i can trust that debian has secure versions installed, but the approach is different from other "distributions" i've seen where they have as little services open as possible |
| 15:33.00 | tarzeau | is there a maximum of files in a directory on ext2? |
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| 15:33.05 | mentor | tarzeau: yes |
| 15:33.09 | tarzeau | how can i see how much free inodes i have for files? |
| 15:33.15 | tarzeau | mentor: how do i tell? |
| 15:33.16 | mentor | erg |
| 15:33.34 | stew | treyh0: portmap is not part of the default debian install. if you are a gnome user, however, gnomevfs depends on it |
| 15:33.40 | tarzeau | i'm gonna have like 100k files |
| 15:34.14 | tarzeau | stew: it used to be default |
| 15:34.22 | ootput | as does mail servers |
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| 15:35.56 | ootput | stew: xserver-common: Depends: x11-common (>= 6.8.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:36.02 | ootput | after purging x11-common |
| 15:36.26 | eleckttruss | ootput, you are in sid? |
| 15:36.33 | ootput | eleckttruss: yeah |
| 15:36.41 | eleckttruss | ootput, welcome |
| 15:36.41 | ootput | eleckttruss: came across it? |
| 15:36.46 | eleckttruss | yes |
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| 15:36.52 | ootput | eleckttruss: browsing the bts for it |
| 15:36.59 | ootput | tere's a lot to go through |
| 15:37.11 | azeem | stew: do you know what part of gnome-vfs2 pulls in portmap? |
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| 15:37.57 | stew | azeem: libgnomevfs2-9 -> fam -> portmap |
| 15:38.02 | stew | ^9^0 |
| 15:38.09 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 15:38.34 | ootput | eleckttruss: okay... now what? |
| 15:38.52 | ootput | eleckttruss: will those mirrors help? |
| 15:39.04 | stew | azeem: actually it looks like there are a bunch of gnome dependencies on fam, not just gnomevfs |
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| 15:39.08 | Daedalus_ | Grr... helpfiles for openoffice aren't available in etch... |
| 15:39.11 | eleckttruss | ootput, you need make a downgrade |
| 15:39.23 | eleckttruss | ootput, you need make a downgrade of xorg the etch |
| 15:39.24 | beered | what is the name of default font manager in testing? |
| 15:39.33 | ootput | eleckttruss: oh dear |
| 15:39.55 | eleckttruss | ootput, o can you used mi sources.list anda make a upgrade |
| 15:40.02 | ootput | eleckttruss: before i commit myself to the task, why is that so? |
| 15:40.06 | Angels2 | I have following problem and hope somebody had this issue before : if i transfer some data (5-10gb) over a sambashare, somewhen the server closes the connection. if i try to login to the pc (via ssh, or directly via keyboard input) the server drops me to the login prompt after 5-10sec again (after a successfull login) |
| 15:40.21 | stew | ootput: i feel dirty even suggesting it but you could try "apt-get install --force-depends xserver-common && apt-get install xorg" |
| 15:40.28 | eleckttruss | ootput, yes |
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| 15:40.43 | stew | ootput: becuase you need these conffiles for 6.9 before 7 will work |
| 15:40.52 | eleckttruss | hum... |
| 15:41.04 | ootput | eleckttruss: like a link or something |
| 15:41.16 | ootput | eleckttruss: also, i've noticed your marillat modifications |
| 15:41.17 | eleckttruss | ootput, stew has a razon! |
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| 15:41.58 | stew | razon? |
| 15:42.57 | ootput | eleckttruss: why do you have both experimental & etch there too? |
| 15:43.02 | wakejagr | i've got a screenshot of my line frames issue up at http://wakeman.homelinux.org/dump.jpg - any ideas? |
| 15:43.13 | ootput | well, i understand etch, but is experimental necessary? |
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| 15:45.05 | SonnyBurnett | #debian-es |
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| 15:45.16 | eleckttruss | ootput, yeah and i feel good |
| 15:45.51 | ootput | stew: I can't find the entry in man for force-depends |
| 15:45.59 | kspath | SonnyBurnett: Por que? |
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| 15:46.16 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I want to know why when I want to see my private IP with ifconfig I get someting like that: inet addr:169.254.223.123 Bcast:0.0.0.0 Mask:255.255.0.0, why I dont see 192.168.2.1, that is my private IP? |
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| 15:46.35 | SonnyBurnett | kspath, sory my mistake} |
| 15:46.43 | yanis_ | how is the command to change 'alternatives'? |
| 15:46.55 | SonnyBurnett | yanis_, update-alternatives |
| 15:46.58 | yanis_ | thanks |
| 15:47.08 | floe | hi all |
| 15:47.13 | SonnyBurnett | HI! |
| 15:47.28 | stew | ootput: oh, right, its a dpkg option, so "apt-get install DPkg::Options::="--force-depends" xserver-common... |
| 15:47.36 | ootput | alright |
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| 15:48.01 | iter | SonnyBurnett: that 169.254.x.x is an autconfig IP address, your computer isn't getting a dhcp address for some reason |
| 15:48.14 | iter | dhcp client or server not working right |
| 15:48.23 | floe | is anyone here running hostapd with the prism54 driver successfully in ap mode? |
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| 15:49.07 | ootput | stew: still unmet dependencies |
| 15:49.11 | ootput | grr |
| 15:49.33 | floe | I always get: ioctl(SIOCGIFINDEX): No such device when trying to start hostapd :( |
| 15:49.34 | SonnyBurnett | iter, is not getting a dhcp because I edited the interfaces file, and I set up a static IP, but it doesnt show to me |
| 15:49.39 | ootput | I feel bad having to modify sources.list to get this to work |
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| 15:50.28 | iter | SonnyBurnett: you can do ifconfig <interface> 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 15:51.15 | SonnyBurnett | iter, but the interfaces file is mean to do it for me right? |
| 15:51.48 | sid | Does tpm/palladium hardware shit with new machines when you buy them now a days...or no? |
| 15:52.03 | iter | yes it oughta |
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| 15:52.13 | n0t_flan | SonnyBurnett, have you restarted /etc/init.d/networking since making the changes? |
| 15:52.28 | sid | s/shit/ship |
| 15:52.29 | stew | SonnyBurnett: if you are getting a 169.254 address, its because you have zeroconf installed and you nic probably has 2 addresses assigned to it |
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| 15:53.04 | stew | SonnyBurnett: if you type "ip a" you should see all of the addresses on the card (ifconfig will only show you the first (or last?)) address assigned to the interface |
| 15:53.12 | SonnyBurnett | n0t_flan, yep.... I have this problem a long time ago |
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| 15:54.22 | iter | ah so you can send/receive traffic on 192.168.2.1? |
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| 15:54.58 | sly007 | Hello, I get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." when typing startx, how can I solve this? |
| 15:55.12 | stew | sly007: which version of x? |
| 15:55.59 | sly007 | stew, how may I know the version? |
| 15:55.59 | SonnyBurnett | stew, yep you are rith, ifconfif is showing me theklone first address asigned to my card, but where this address came from? I never asigned that address to my card, I just want my card to be asssigned with one IP, the one that I set up |
| 15:56.21 | stew | SonnyBurnett: from zeroconf |
| 15:56.36 | stew | sly007: dpkg -l x11-common |
| 15:56.44 | stew | sly007: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:57.08 | sly007 | stew, 7.0.17 |
| 15:57.17 | stew | sly007: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 15:57.30 | stew | sly007: are you upgrading from 6.9? or installing 7.0 from scratch? |
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| 15:58.25 | sly007 | stew, is there another way to allow a normal user to connect to X ? dpkg-reconfigure x11-common takes too much memory on my system and is killed |
| 15:58.52 | stew | sly007: if you don't have enough memory to run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" you won't be able to run x |
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| 15:59.07 | typewriter | how do i restrict regulars users fromn seeing all the processes when they issue a ps auwx ? |
| 15:59.13 | stew | sly007: but to answer your question, you can also edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 15:59.14 | typewriter | i just want them to see their own processes |
| 15:59.17 | sly007 | stew, I will run X over a framebuffer |
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| 15:59.31 | sly007 | stew, I'm on an embedded system |
| 15:59.31 | ootput | stew: thanks for your patience tonight, mate |
| 15:59.35 | ootput | stew: I'm back in X |
| 15:59.38 | ootput | :) |
| 15:59.50 | stew | ootput: what finally worked for you? |
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| 16:01.14 | ootput | stew: it's fairly ugly, but i had to add etch repo's alongside my sid repos in sources.list |
| 16:01.30 | ootput | stew: x11-common pulled in xserver-common |
| 16:01.43 | sly007 | stew, I just commented the line allowed_users=console but I still have the eror saying I'm not allowed to connect to X. I'm a connecting via NIS |
| 16:01.45 | ootput | stew: but, the next execution of aptitude requested that I remove both |
| 16:01.46 | stew | ootput: ok, did you reportbug? x11-common should probably get a bug on the missing conffiles |
| 16:01.49 | ootput | stew: which is strange |
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| 16:02.09 | ootput | stew: i will, now that I'm back in X |
| 16:02.38 | stew | ootput: thanks! if you dont' mind, please send me the bug# when you get it. |
| 16:02.41 | ootput | stew: i feel uncomfortable filling in forms with (lots of) data at console |
| 16:03.03 | stew | sly007: try allowed_users=anybody |
| 16:03.22 | ootput | stew: sure thing |
| 16:04.19 | sly007 | stew, thanks! But now I get xinit: Connection refused (errno 146): unable to connect to X server :( Plus I want to use fbdev, do I need to install something? |
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| 16:04.49 | keleus | I tried to install etch the other day using last weeks ISOs... |
| 16:04.59 | keleus | i noticed that almost all of the install process is .... missing? |
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| 16:05.35 | keleus | all I got was a minimal system. It didn't ask for any additional CDs or anything. |
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| 16:05.43 | keleus | But... as for the question |
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| 16:06.00 | keleus | If i install debian sarge, and add the etch CDs to the repositories and remove the sarge ones... |
| 16:06.11 | keleus | do i need to do anything else special to change over? |
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| 16:06.18 | n0t_flan | Etch CDs or Etch URLs? |
| 16:06.22 | keleus | CDs |
| 16:06.28 | keleus | system has no net access untill i get madwifi up |
| 16:07.14 | n0t_flan | I don't think you'd need anything else... but the headers package and madwifi would easily fit on an RW. |
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| 16:07.58 | keleus | true |
| 16:08.05 | keleus | but i also need the development packages and such |
| 16:08.24 | keleus | and getting it through tasksel and such as in sarge, doesn't seem an option on etch |
| 16:08.39 | sly007 | When I'm typing startx under my debian, I get "giving up.\n xinit: Connection refused (errno 146): unable to connect to X server" :( Any idea? |
| 16:09.37 | keleus | so basically just swapping out the sources from sarge CDs to etch CDs, and doing a full system update... SHOULD do the trick? |
| 16:10.06 | n0t_flan | I can't say I've ever tried, but it sounds like it should work. |
| 16:10.19 | n0t_flan | I think CD-based upgrading is covered in the installation howto on the site. |
| 16:10.33 | keleus | ok, I'll take a look. Thanks |
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| 16:12.35 | keleus | one more question: |
| 16:13.00 | keleus | i have the BSD bootloader installed in MBR, windows on hda1, and my linux boot will be hda5. |
| 16:13.10 | grendal_prime | no nomore answers for you |
| 16:13.12 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 16:13.19 | grendal_prime | answer nazi |
| 16:13.26 | fas3r | do you know if they are a comand for see who are connect on server ? |
| 16:13.30 | keleus | if i install grub to hda5 rather than hda, then the BSD will load, and let me chainload to either windows or grub.... right? |
| 16:13.58 | keleus | because i like how the BSD loader will scan usb devices for bootable partitions... my bios won't do it. |
| 16:14.12 | beered | Is it possible to get list of contents from dpkg? |
| 16:14.25 | SonnyBurnett | stew, so you recommend me to stop zeroconf? |
| 16:15.13 | space | Hello, when i want to play a sound the error "Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver:device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)..." appears :-/ |
| 16:16.15 | space | this is because my sound card doesnt function properly |
| 16:16.23 | space | (by software) |
| 16:17.14 | keleus | odd. what desktop do you use? |
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| 16:17.26 | space | me? kde |
| 16:17.47 | keleus | what are you (trying) to use to play the sound? |
| 16:17.49 | grendal_prime | fas3r, who |
| 16:18.07 | fas3r | ok |
| 16:18.18 | grendal_prime | who should show you ... |
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| 16:18.26 | space | it even appears when an general error occurs, then the system want to play a sound as i guess but it cant |
| 16:18.46 | grendal_prime | example |
| 16:18.49 | grendal_prime | jobconnect:~# who |
| 16:18.49 | grendal_prime | root pts/0 May 11 08:20 (192.168.1.197) |
| 16:18.49 | grendal_prime | jobconnect:~# |
| 16:18.50 | beered | how do I get dbpk attention? |
| 16:19.06 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 16:19.07 | keleus | ok, try changing the sound server settings in the control center. If it's on ALSA, try OSS. if OSS, try alsa. If something else other than auto... try auto |
| 16:19.09 | thingfish | beered: /msg dpkg foo |
| 16:19.14 | beered | thingfish: cool. |
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| 16:19.35 | beered | q! |
| 16:19.37 | beered | iips. |
| 16:19.42 | space | i cant play any sound with the pci sound card (with the onboard chipset it is no problem) |
| 16:19.43 | beered | ops. sry. |
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| 16:19.58 | space | i have tried all of these |
| 16:19.58 | fas3r | grendal_prime, yes but if u prefer i have ftp on my society and i want to see who are connect on it |
| 16:20.31 | keleus | space, try setting up alsa? make sure alsa-utils is installed (not sure of exact package name) and run alsaconf in a terminal as root. |
| 16:20.47 | keleus | could be that the drivers for the PCI card just arn't loaded? |
| 16:21.02 | space | alsaconf lets me choose my onboard sound chip and some isa legacy (...) |
| 16:21.09 | keleus | hmm |
| 16:21.09 | valdyn | !tell space -about ask |
| 16:21.22 | keleus | do lspci and send me back the line that mentions your sound card |
| 16:21.23 | valdyn | space: does alsa support your cards chipset? |
| 16:21.28 | space | yes |
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| 16:21.37 | grendal_prime | fas3r, you want to know who is connected to your ftp? |
| 16:21.43 | fas3r | yes |
| 16:21.46 | space | creative soundblaster audigy 4, module emu10k1 |
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| 16:22.01 | grendal_prime | at any given second? or a log type deal? |
| 16:22.04 | jethro | fas3r: depending on the ftpd you're using you might want to try ftpwho. |
| 16:22.08 | space | i've installed it several times, i think there all is ok |
| 16:22.14 | fas3r | jethro, i use proftpd |
| 16:22.18 | keleus | you said PCI right, internal? |
| 16:22.27 | valdyn | space: lsmod | grep emu ( looking for a 2nd emu module |
| 16:22.30 | space | yes |
| 16:22.40 | jethro | fas3r: I believe proftpd has an ftpwho command |
| 16:22.44 | keleus | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix |
| 16:22.57 | fas3r | jethro, thank :) ftpwho is good thank a lot :) |
| 16:23.00 | keleus | look at the big RED section... "Sound Blaster Audigy4 (Non Pro)" |
| 16:23.08 | jethro | fas3r: you're welcome. |
| 16:23.09 | keleus | [X-] [ANio] [MIDIio] (1) (3) |
| 16:23.10 | keleus | Mixed reports, so might not work for you. |
| 16:23.19 | grendal_prime | fas3r, you want to know who is connected to your machine at any givven second? |
| 16:23.25 | space | 0000:02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008 |
| 16:23.32 | fas3r | grendal_prime, maybe why not :) |
| 16:23.35 | keleus | [X-] Unsupported because the vendor refuses to release programming information. |
| 16:23.37 | valdyn | space: run update-pciids |
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| 16:23.39 | grendal_prime | because there is really good simple tool called iftop |
| 16:23.58 | fas3r | iftop ? i don't know .. i go to googolise it :) |
| 16:24.01 | beered | Is it possible to 'ls' inside the bz2 archives? |
| 16:24.02 | fas3r | thank |
| 16:24.04 | grendal_prime | install it with aptitude...or apt-get (your pref) |
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| 16:24.12 | fas3r | ok |
| 16:24.14 | keleus | space, so basically you have a marginally supported card |
| 16:24.20 | grendal_prime | run it like this iftop -i eth0 |
| 16:24.32 | valdyn | space: and tell us which alsa version you are using ( or kernel version if you are using your kernel's alsa ) |
| 16:24.33 | jethro | grendal_prime: iftop will report IP addresses right? not currently logged in accounts. or am I missing something? |
| 16:24.35 | fas3r | grendal_prime, thank a lot :) |
| 16:24.35 | space | wow nice: lspci: 0000:02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB0400 Audigy2 Value |
| 16:24.44 | fas3r | thank a lot all :) |
| 16:24.45 | keleus | yep... |
| 16:24.50 | keleus | unsupported |
| 16:25.00 | grendal_prime | it gives you current connections to interfaces, and how much data is being pushed through them...with percentile equated out |
| 16:25.10 | keleus | as of current alsa drivers. if you have older ALSA you DEFINATLY wont have support |
| 16:25.24 | keleus | wiat.... |
| 16:25.30 | pwk | when I run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp" there is an error saying "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine SCSI module" "Failed to create initrd image.", any ideas on how to fix it? Googled it but nothing decent found |
| 16:26.00 | space | alsa-base: 1.0.8-7 |
| 16:26.09 | valdyn | keleus: i dont see where that card is explicitely unsupported |
| 16:26.33 | keleus | on the link i gave... its the first row hilighted red. at least he said audigy 4 |
| 16:26.48 | valdyn | keleus: yea but his lspci disagrees |
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| 16:26.53 | keleus | hmm |
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| 16:27.21 | valdyn | space: check out http://www.bacports.org/, grab a new kernel ( i think they offer 2.6.15-x ), that will give you a newer alsa |
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| 16:27.26 | fourat | anyone have issues with sendmail in debian ? i get it remaking vhosts on every reboot, and it's very annoying, i would like to get it's configuration not changed after reboot |
| 16:27.35 | valdyn | space: err, http://www.backports.org/ |
| 16:28.16 | keleus | crappy generic alsa USB driver. |
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| 16:29.06 | valdyn | space: another option would be to backport sid's alsa packages, however im not sure that is sufficiently easy to do |
| 16:29.37 | space | so kernel 2.6.8 is not enough? |
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| 16:29.58 | space | hm, the problem is as you can imagine i am a linux noob |
| 16:30.07 | valdyn | space: that's only the half truth, your ALSA is not new enough, since ALSA is integrated in 2.6 kernels a newer kernel will give a newer alsa |
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| 16:30.48 | space | ok |
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| 16:31.10 | valdyn | space: your being 'noob' is the whole point on why i point you to backports.org, an advanced user would have compiled alsa himself before even coming here |
| 16:31.14 | space | so i am going to download a new kernel from backports? |
| 16:31.42 | keleus | or you could download it from kernel.org and compile it :) |
| 16:31.51 | keleus | not as scary as it sounds but wait till your a little more comfortable |
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| 16:32.11 | valdyn | space: go to http://www.backports.org/ and read their instructions |
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| 16:32.44 | space | ok, i'll do so |
| 16:33.06 | keleus | got a question guys. Last couple times i tried to build madwifi... |
| 16:33.14 | space | when i'm done and there are further problems i'll meet you again :-) |
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| 16:33.21 | keleus | upon insertion into the kernel they would throw an error about unknown symbols |
| 16:33.31 | renegade | hi, anyone knowhow with linux-vserver here? |
| 16:33.37 | valdyn | keleus: you compiled madwifi against the wrong headers |
| 16:33.51 | space | thanks again |
| 16:33.58 | keleus | i had no headers installed, only source fully built from /proc/config |
| 16:34.25 | valdyn | keleus: headers may be contained in a full source tree, they're still the headers |
| 16:34.33 | valdyn | keleus: you they are ( were ) the wrong ones |
| 16:34.41 | keleus | hmm |
| 16:34.47 | SonnyBurnett | is that useful to have zeroconf installed? |
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| 16:35.25 | valdyn | keleus: copy you current kernel's running config into your kernel source tree as .config and run make oldconfig, then try compiling madwifi again |
| 16:35.30 | keleus | true... but the headers were from the kernel source tree that was running on the system, and i had used the same config file... (and then done "make && make_modules" |
| 16:35.53 | keleus | i extracted /proc/config.gz to /home/keleus/kernel.config |
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| 16:36.03 | keleus | and loaded that config from make menuconfig. saved upon exit |
| 16:36.19 | keleus | and then done the whole build process, excepting moving files to /boot and playing with grub |
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| 16:36.31 | keleus | and i omitted installing the modules (but still built them) |
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| 16:36.59 | keleus | of course all this was in suse |
| 16:37.10 | keleus | havent yet tried it under debian. maybe a whole different story |
| 16:37.13 | stv | Hello, my "acrobat reader" 7, which used to have very short start up times, now needs roughly 20 seconds. I suspect the problem is related to fonts. Does anybody have seen the same symptom? |
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| 16:37.39 | valdyn | keleus: if your running kernel and that source tree had been correctly fitting with certainty, then the only possibility for this error would be that you miss loading one module that provides those symbols |
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| 16:38.02 | keleus | hmm |
| 16:38.12 | keleus | shouldn't modprobe do that on it's own? |
| 16:38.18 | keleus | wait... |
| 16:38.22 | aalex | http://pastebin.com/711721 ::: Hi all. I am having problems with a package. I just dist-upgraded my Debian unstable. Anyone can help me ? It's about fonts... |
| 16:38.24 | keleus | modprobe couldn't find ath_pci |
| 16:38.27 | keleus | i had to use insmod |
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| 16:38.34 | valdyn | keleus: NEVER use insmod |
| 16:38.45 | valdyn | keleus: run depmod -a, then use modprobe |
| 16:38.58 | valdyn | !insmod |
| 16:38.58 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 16:39.07 | keleus | maybe that was the problem :/ |
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| 16:39.31 | igcek | hello! i´ve installed only ubuntu on a computer, i dont know why but in the end it installs grub? is grub needed if there´s only ubuntu on it? However, when i start the computer it does not go to grub, it tries to start it but then it resets, where could be the problem? |
| 16:39.43 | azeem | aalex: try to produce english error messages if you want people to look at your problems (export LANG=C) |
| 16:39.45 | valdyn | igcek: this channel does not provide support for ubuntu |
| 16:39.49 | jethro | igcek: go to #ubuntu |
| 16:39.53 | keleus | igcek, yes a bootloader is mandatory. |
| 16:40.09 | keleus | make sure grub was installed into your MBR |
| 16:40.22 | igcek | motherboard? |
| 16:40.25 | keleus | ubuntu should have asked during installation |
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| 16:40.31 | valdyn | igcek: in case you dont know, even a single solo installed windows uses a bootloader, fyi |
| 16:40.41 | keleus | and make sure your /boot partition (or the partition containing /boot) is active |
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| 16:40.45 | stv | strace(1) shows, that my acrobat reader tries to open 7226 files, of which 6567 calls are not successful |
| 16:40.56 | azeem | keleus: that is not needed, AFAIK |
| 16:40.59 | valdyn | stv: so? |
| 16:41.12 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 16:41.14 | Shadowcat | where's dondelelcaro |
| 16:41.20 | aalex | azeem: thanks. http://pastebin.com/711725 |
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| 16:41.32 | asg | Shadowcat: probably at debconf or on his way. Or in the lab. Why? |
| 16:41.34 | igcek | how to do any of that, if it does not go in ubuntu? |
| 16:41.36 | aalex | No my error message is in english http://pastebin.com/711725 |
| 16:41.39 | aalex | Now |
| 16:41.47 | stv | valdyn: since many of the opened files are in a font directory, I expect the problem to be related to fonts |
| 16:41.47 | keleus | igcek, but the folks in #ubuntu are very helpful. also consider trying in ##Linux but don't feed the trolls. |
| 16:41.58 | azeem | aalex: well, I happen to read french, but I don't know about your problem, sounds like regular unstable breakage |
| 16:42.00 | Shadowcat | asg: gotta figure out how to set certain factoids on the bot |
| 16:42.02 | Shadowcat | such as |
| 16:42.07 | Shadowcat | !beer asg |
| 16:42.08 | asg | Shadowcat: /msg dpkg help |
| 16:42.10 | Shadowcat | for exaple |
| 16:42.13 | Shadowcat | example* |
| 16:42.24 | Shadowcat | asg: I've tried that, doesn't give me what I want |
| 16:42.32 | keleus | !botsnack |
| 16:42.32 | igcek | just one thing.. i wanted to put edubuntu on it, is maybe here the problem? |
| 16:42.35 | dpkg | :), keleus |
| 16:42.35 | valdyn | stv: so far i dont see a problem |
| 16:42.39 | asg | Shadowcat: you're not removing my bit about happy funball from the insmod factoid. |
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| 16:43.05 | valdyn | aalex: dpkg -i --force-overwrite <offending deb file> ( at your own risk ) |
| 16:43.05 | stv | valdyn: the startup used to be very fast (and still is, for some colleagues). I misconfigured something ;-/ |
| 16:43.14 | keleus | go take a look in #quiznos |
| 16:43.17 | Shadowcat | I'm trying to figure out how to write those types of factoids that address a third person rather than the factoid requester |
| 16:43.22 | aalex | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:43.45 | asg | Shadowcat: a random 3rd person or someone mentioned? |
| 16:43.52 | Shadowcat | such as |
| 16:43.54 | valdyn | !confuse Shadowcat |
| 16:43.55 | dpkg | Yes, what was my snake yesterday, Shadowcat? shirts of the republic of tahiti with extra cream |
| 16:43.56 | Shadowcat | !sidsmite asg |
| 16:43.59 | Shadowcat | or |
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| 16:44.02 | igcek | keleus, thanks anyway |
| 16:44.02 | valdyn | !literal confuse |
| 16:44.04 | Shadowcat | !beat asg |
| 16:44.07 | valdyn | !listkeys confuse |
| 16:44.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'confuse' by key (9): confused ;; "is confused" ;; brakes confuse dpkg ;; is confused ;; _default is confused ;; _default brakes confuse dpkg ;; CMD: confuse (.*?) ;; #debian is confused ;; _default confused. |
| 16:44.12 | asg | Shadowcat: just use $1 |
| 16:44.12 | Shadowcat | note how it inserts your nick into the factoid |
| 16:44.22 | Shadowcat | asg: doesn't work on our version of blootbot |
| 16:44.30 | valdyn | !literal CMD: confuse (.*?) |
| 16:44.31 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: confuse (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> (Yes,|No,) (those|what|them|where|who|how) (are|is|was) (your|their|our|my) (pants|weasel|ferret|hamster|pineapple|gouda|gerbil|badger|mushroom|snake|bacon) (today|tomorrow|yesterday), $1? (pants|shirts|trousers|breeches|lederhosen|wellies) of the (monarchy|people's republic|dictatorship|republic|democracy) of (liechtenstein|tahiti|swaziland|belarus|mongolia|tibet|micronesia) with extra ... |
| 16:44.38 | valdyn | Shadowcat: ^^^ |
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| 16:45.07 | asg | keleus: don't be, it's just bot olympics |
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| 16:45.11 | jethro | perhaps you guys could take this to #debian-bots? |
| 16:45.33 | jethro | :] |
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| 16:46.08 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 16:46.26 | keleus | anyone ever wonder who has the ip address 1.1.1.1? |
| 16:46.49 | SlayerXP | keleus: whois |
| 16:47.02 | asg | keleus: our Nortel Wireless switches use it before as an authentication IP before a routable vlan is assigned |
| 16:47.07 | jethro | oh my, and it's not sunday yet. |
| 16:47.27 | valdyn | keleus: looks like no one does as i see it |
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| 16:47.45 | Shadowcat | valdyn: so I'm guessing you have to define them differently? |
| 16:47.48 | keleus | doh |
| 16:48.00 | keleus | 1.1.1.1 = god? |
| 16:48.02 | keleus | :) |
| 16:48.03 | asg | keleus: it's reserved so you can use it. If you try to route it to the Internet though, we'll have to kill you |
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| 16:48.39 | Shadowcat | valdyn: because I'm still confused on how to assign such a factoid |
| 16:48.47 | valdyn | Shadowcat: dpkg, test (.*?) is ($1): <reply>Test ($1). |
| 16:48.58 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 16:49.07 | valdyn | Shadowcat: dpkg, cmd: test (.*?) is ($1): <reply>Test ($1). |
| 16:49.10 | valdyn | Shadowcat: 2nd one |
| 16:49.20 | keleus | i just realized how mind numbingly fast the internet is. It takes 1/5 of a second for something to go around the world and back... |
| 16:49.24 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 16:49.29 | keleus | isn't that insane>? |
| 16:49.40 | SlayerXP | keleus: wait til your hear about this stuff called "light" |
| 16:49.42 | asg | keleus: nah, it happens all the time |
| 16:49.42 | Ronin | too slow keleus needs more speed |
| 16:49.43 | SlayerXP | you |
| 16:50.04 | asg | keleus: if someone would magic me a beer, that would be amazing |
| 16:50.10 | Shadowcat | valdyn: still not getting it |
| 16:50.15 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 16:50.17 | keleus | I wonder how the internet would work when you throw latency in the mix (think interplanetary) |
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| 16:50.27 | asg | keleus: like crappy wireless |
| 16:50.27 | Shadowcat | if I put that exact string into our blootbot, it doesn't answer when you call it again |
| 16:50.33 | keleus | lol |
| 16:50.51 | keleus | no CS on mars then |
| 16:51.05 | jethro | I don't want to be an ass, but you guys should really take these blootbot issues to another place. |
| 16:51.05 | asg | keleus: if you've ever leeched bandwidth like I do from the pub, your latency can be horrible making being pithy in #debian very difficult |
| 16:51.22 | keleus | i leach all thhe time. |
| 16:51.25 | keleus | no choice ATM. |
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| 16:51.49 | iter | http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space |
| 16:51.55 | iter | IANA - Reserved |
| 16:52.02 | keleus | but soon (less than a month) i get roadrunner business class (7mbps/768kbps) for US$39.99/m |
| 16:52.34 | keleus | family member works for the county so we get a nice discount |
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| 16:52.49 | iter | US Army has 6.6.6.6 |
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| 16:53.53 | shogunx | keleus the latency is a big issue, as is routing, when communicating with the mars rover devices. |
| 16:54.23 | valdyn | Shadowcat: looks like you have to capitalize the CMD: but it works with dpkg anyway |
| 16:54.23 | beered | ls |
| 16:54.28 | beered | oops |
| 16:54.42 | keleus | shogunx, must make careful planning very important. |
| 16:54.57 | shogunx | keleus the orbiters have to "store and transmit" data to be relayed to the rovers. |
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| 16:55.23 | keleus | wow. no "reach over and grab that rock" - they have to figure out how much to move each part... |
| 16:55.34 | shogunx | keleus the routes are all pre-calculated in and propagated from a cluster at the nasa jpl. |
| 16:55.36 | keleus | so that it ends up where they want it. |
| 16:55.55 | shogunx | exactly. |
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| 16:56.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 16:56.01 | shogunx | its about a 4 hour latency. |
| 16:56.10 | keleus | ... so thats where quantum computing has the REAL potential then. Not just crypto |
| 16:56.28 | shogunx | how so keleus? |
| 16:56.35 | keleus | entanglement? |
| 16:56.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | is there any chance i can find an net install to install sarge from floppy boot, and with an up2date installer and linux2.6? |
| 16:56.51 | keleus | flip a bit here, and the bit flips over there |
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| 16:57.08 | keleus | no latency (as far (very little) as i understand it) |
| 16:57.17 | Shadowcat | thanks valdyn |
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| 16:57.58 | keleus | so you have one (maybe some redundancy) station on each planatoid for sending data between them. Terrestrial latency is acceptable, but hours/days/years is not |
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| 16:58.13 | igcek | ? |
| 16:58.27 | shogunx | a router/satellite at earths L4 legrange point would ease some of the routing issues, but not until there are several more orbital devices at mars. they actually turn off the radios of the rovers when out of range of the orbiters to sav power. |
| 16:58.53 | keleus | shogunx, we are confusing some of the locals |
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| 16:58.56 | keleus | :) |
| 16:58.58 | shogunx | :) |
| 16:59.07 | igcek | filosephers |
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| 16:59.30 | keleus | igcek, quantum stuff is supposed to be good with crypto because there is no way to intercept the signal. |
| 16:59.41 | keleus | everyone looks at that when we think of quantum computing |
| 16:59.51 | shogunx | keleus, entanglement by aczel? i have a copy right here, but have not read it yet. |
| 16:59.54 | keleus | but it has real potential for networking applications i think. |
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| 17:00.06 | tomie | hi, after mediawike installation from debian package, I followed the Readme/ Faq instructions, but at the point of connecting to http://localhost/mediawiki/config/index.php my browser, mozilla, conqueror, does not know how to handle the phtml file. So I got stuck. Can anybody help me? |
| 17:00.10 | keleus | but... |
| 17:00.10 | azeem | keleus: how is this related to Debian? |
| 17:00.17 | keleus | nothing, actually |
| 17:00.37 | igcek | yeah, ive heard something about quantum processor, it would much stronger and it would spet much less electricity.. |
| 17:00.45 | destr0 | is there a standard way of loading iptables rules at boot on sarge? |
| 17:00.47 | igcek | but.. thats that |
| 17:00.48 | shogunx | keleus how is that going to overcome 4 hours of latency? |
| 17:01.06 | shogunx | azeem relates to debain because the mars devices run linux. |
| 17:01.08 | GoAuLd | keleus: when we could have one of those quantum machines ? |
| 17:01.15 | destr0 | the init.d iptables script isn't there. |
| 17:01.24 | keleus | i obviously don't know/understand it... as ive only had high-school physics... |
| 17:01.27 | azeem | people, please take this quantum computing discussion elsewhere |
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| 17:01.39 | valdyn | shogunx: those 'quantum' links have no latency |
| 17:01.44 | GoAuLd | azeem dont you like atoms? |
| 17:01.46 | cheal | tomie: which phtml file? |
| 17:01.50 | keleus | QoAuLd, when Duke Nukem Forever comes out? |
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| 17:01.57 | igcek | NEVER! |
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| 17:02.18 | igcek | you can wait forever to come ouut :) |
| 17:02.19 | keleus | er, GoAuLd not QoAuLd |
| 17:02.46 | EloraKun | Hello. Is there any place where I could look at known problems of a certain packet? -povray 3.6.1- |
| 17:02.58 | valdyn | !tell EloraKun -about bts |
| 17:03.05 | shogunx | valdyn you mean an event that happens here would simultaneously have a similar effect one terrestrial body away, with no need for light/radio/other-esoteric-layer-1 to catch up? |
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| 17:03.19 | GoAuLd | keleus: i dont care od duke nukem becouse of my poor video card :-( but quantum computing sounds good, sure duke nukem forever would run smooth on that |
| 17:03.20 | valdyn | shogunx: yep |
| 17:03.21 | keleus | yes, basically. |
| 17:03.33 | azeem | last warning, take this off-topic discussion elsewhere |
| 17:03.36 | shogunx | well that would be interesting. |
| 17:03.48 | EloraKun | valdyn: Thanks |
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| 17:04.23 | keleus | of course mear mortals couldn't afford it... |
| 17:04.25 | shogunx | bah... topicop. |
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| 17:04.42 | keleus | traditional networking would suffice for everything but those looooong distance hops |
| 17:04.58 | GoAuLd | keleus, cientists of the 50ies though the same about actual computers |
| 17:04.59 | tomie | cheal: this is what the browser asks? |
| 17:05.08 | shogunx | keleus its the latency in the route propagation that kills it. |
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| 17:05.44 | shogunx | keleus thats why the routes have to be simulated in a bigass cluster. |
| 17:05.49 | cheal | tomie: uh? is PHP working? |
| 17:05.51 | keleus | shogunx, routing would be unneeded |
| 17:06.14 | keleus | hmmm |
| 17:06.26 | azeem | shogunx, keleus, GoAuLd: This is a Debian support channel, not a general chit-chat room, if you continue to be off-topic, you will get silenced |
| 17:06.52 | GoAuLd | i feel offended |
| 17:06.58 | GoAuLd | i go home |
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| 17:07.19 | lepton | adios |
| 17:07.29 | keleus | help help! i'm being repressed! come see the violence inherit in the system! .... I kid. Sorry azeem |
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| 17:07.51 | azeem | keleus: well, I kid not |
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| 17:08.10 | shogunx | azeem: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable sorry we can't be smart people occasionally, but must man the hell-desk or be expunged. |
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| 17:08.40 | tomie | cheal: how do I check it? I just installed php4. |
| 17:08.52 | cmatheson | i have a list of songs in a file that i want to move... so i'm trying to use xargs, unfortunately the filename's have dumb characters' like "'" in them, so xargs dies (tells me to use -0 . I can't figure out how to make mv accept that kind of input though, any ideas? |
| 17:09.01 | cheal | tomie: is any PHP script successfully executing? |
| 17:09.01 | keleus | azeem, im sorry. That last bit was supposed to be a joke. Monty Python and the Holy Grail thing. |
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| 17:09.51 | azeem | shogunx: I don't care about `TheFable'. We tolerate some general talking in here, but request people to go elsewhere if it disturbs support request |
| 17:09.54 | azeem | s |
| 17:10.05 | shogunx | i'm not sorry. i think the topic-nazi behavior is shitty. and if you have to kick me for that, thats your loss. |
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| 17:11.14 | eeyore- | procps is sticking it to me recently :-p it now displays usernames > 8 characters as integers. i hate it. |
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| 17:11.26 | Ronin | heh shogunx relax man |
| 17:11.32 | keleus | i feel i should apolagize for the whole situation, it IS all my fault for bringing it up |
| 17:11.37 | keleus | take it out on me |
| 17:11.45 | eeyore- | since when does linux care about open standard to the point of sacrificing aesthetics? |
| 17:11.54 | shogunx | !phillysmite keleus |
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| 17:12.21 | azeem | keleus: as I said, there's no problem in bringing anything up, there is a problem with dragging on off-topic discussions forever even after having been requested to move them |
| 17:12.36 | cmatheson | eeyore-: it's showing the UID now or what? |
| 17:13.07 | stv | valdyn: for the records: the slow startup of acrobat reader 7 is caused by a known bug. Work-around: ln -s /dev/null $HOME/.adobe/Acrobat/7.0/Cache/UnixFnt07.lst |
| 17:13.17 | keleus | azeem, no need to explain yourself, i know i was in the wrong |
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| 17:13.33 | eeyore- | cmathe: yeah, i have 'messagebus' and 'haldaemon', in addition to 'postmaster' <- this one is used for a while, and now they will show up as uid's, instead of being cut off, or column widened |
| 17:13.39 | eeyore- | cmatheson: ^^ |
| 17:14.01 | Gavrila | hi there anyone knows a good matlab channel? |
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| 17:14.23 | tralala | keleus, azeem: so the next off-topic discussion now is "why not to discuss off-topic things"? |
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| 17:14.45 | keleus | lol |
| 17:15.04 | keleus | im perfectly willing to drop the WHOLE thing. no more from me now... |
| 17:15.06 | shogunx | :) |
| 17:15.22 | keleus | as cheal's part message said... |
| 17:15.31 | keleus | Konversation terminated! |
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| 17:16.38 | hcy | is there a linux way to convert %20's to spaces in a string? |
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| 17:16.59 | tralala | hcy: sed? |
| 17:17.16 | hcy | tralala: sed, yeah why didn't I think of that |
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| 17:18.38 | tomie | cheal: I restarted apache and take another browser and ... it works (:, thank you very much |
| 17:18.46 | tomie | bye |
| 17:18.46 | roel- | what's the advantage of 2.6.8-3 over 2.6.8-2 ? |
| 17:19.01 | azeem | roel-: see the changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 17:19.37 | nvz | well I finally got around to submitting my application to the geek squad.. their online app pissed me off so bad I had to cool down for a few days before I could finish it |
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| 17:20.07 | nvz | I hate when they tell you to explain something specifically and give you enough room for 20 letters |
| 17:20.41 | nvz | made me do all that thinking when all they want is a bunch of short lies |
| 17:20.53 | ncp_ | how to i enable so apache2 logs into /var/log/apache2/access.log ? |
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| 17:21.51 | nvz | I would imagine thats in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 17:21.56 | enrico1919 | hello |
| 17:22.02 | nvz | and I've never even used apache2 and I am not on debian now to check |
| 17:22.10 | keleus | nvz, watch out... yo uwork there you are basically forbidden from doing work on the side |
| 17:22.19 | keleus | or at least thats how it is for me at staples |
| 17:22.24 | nvz | enrico1919: there seems to be an echo in your transmission |
| 17:22.37 | enrico1919 | how can i use exim for send email? |
| 17:22.37 | nvz | keleus: who cares |
| 17:22.42 | enrico1919 | yes :D:D:D::D |
| 17:22.52 | keleus | nvz, extra money... but i was just giving you a heads up |
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| 17:23.33 | nvz | keleus: I came to town and have been working for my uncle's construction crew and he's got tons of work but I dont know if I can handle it for too long. I just got a place to live and its like right next to best buy. |
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| 17:24.05 | mykhi | hi, after dist-uptrade my debian (unstable) stopeed detect devices conencted to IDE (like cdrom) any ideas? |
| 17:24.24 | nvz | keleus: I can stand sitting in the A/C best buy all day fixing computers... but busting my ass, getting severe sunburn..etc that stuff sucks and its not what I am skilled in so I cant make as much as other people can |
| 17:24.25 | asg | mykhi: the bts |
| 17:24.33 | mykhi | bts? |
| 17:24.38 | asg | !btssmite mykhi |
| 17:24.58 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 17:25.09 | Shadowcat | asg: apt-listbugs doesn't exist in etch at the moment |
| 17:25.11 | mykhi | is this in bug kust or should i check if it is ;p |
| 17:25.18 | Shadowcat | which is REALLY stupid imho |
| 17:25.19 | asg | Shadowcat: he isn't running etch |
| 17:25.29 | nvz | keleus: plus you get serious discounts at the store for working there.. like 5% above their invoice. you can buy a $30 cable for like $2.95 |
| 17:25.32 | asg | mykhi: start with the packages that got upgraded |
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| 17:26.33 | eeyore- | nvz: why would you want to work in retail? |
| 17:26.37 | nvz | get me all kinds of new stuff for my new place |
| 17:26.49 | keleus | nvz true. at staples im a sales associate who works on computers when he has time. $7.70/h thats it |
| 17:26.50 | nvz | eeyore-: I am just considering my alternatives |
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| 17:27.03 | nvz | eeyore-: I didnt apply for retail I applied for technical |
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| 17:27.16 | enrico1919 | q\ |
| 17:27.17 | enrico1919 | q |
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| 17:27.28 | destr0 | why did th init.d iptables scripts get dumped in sarge? |
| 17:28.04 | sepski | destr0, sillyboy you didnt read the docs in /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 17:28.19 | sepski | nanana!!!! you didnt read the docs !!! |
| 17:28.28 | nvz | I just know I dont want to work 80 hours a week in the sun and end up all burnt up and barely able to move.. currently I can get by on a lot less money so I am just trying not to kill myself untill the ideal opertunity arrives |
| 17:28.37 | azeem | sepski: huh? |
| 17:28.55 | nvz | I busted my ass long enough to get on my feet as it is.. I can shift gears now |
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| 17:29.24 | sepski | azeem, dont mind me, i havent had enoughf cafeein today |
| 17:29.43 | azeem | sepski: well, please try to refrain yourself when interacting with users |
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| 17:30.32 | sepski | azeem, he did get help tho. ? right :) |
| 17:30.53 | azeem | sepski: that's not all that matters |
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| 17:31.19 | sepski | azeem, ah your probably right, i realy shouldt irc in my current condition |
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| 17:33.47 | mykhi | asg: nth i can se |
| 17:34.11 | mne | hi there. I have problems with amavis-stats. it's been working for some time now but today I discovered that it doesn't work anymore, instead it prints out some errors. I ran is manually "php4 amavis-stats.php" which gives me some errors that it cannot open the graphic files. How can I specify the image-path ? |
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| 17:35.17 | FrApAs | hiii |
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| 17:36.25 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, do you know if is avaiable the "realVNC" for Debian? |
| 17:36.30 | cmatheson | i have a list of files w/ ugly filenames (spaces, single-quotes, etc.), and i don't know how to mv them because xargs won't take the file as input unless I use -0 . I can't figure out how to make mv process that kind of input |
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| 17:36.46 | FrApAs | I have this warring : Warning: Division by zero in |
| 17:36.58 | FrApAs | I thing that is a server problem |
| 17:37.06 | rredd4 | SonnyBurnett it is |
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| 17:37.18 | SonnyBurnett | rredd4, where can I get it? |
| 17:37.28 | SonnyBurnett | from? |
| 17:37.41 | mne | cmatheson, try mv -- "uglyname" |
| 17:37.48 | mne | cmatheson, try mv -- "uglyname" <destination> |
| 17:37.53 | rredd4 | SonnyBurnett I know that you can get tightVNC |
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| 17:38.35 | mne | cmatheson, you may also try quotes if you didn't already try that |
| 17:38.35 | SonnyBurnett | rredd4, I mean,.... RealVNC (from www.realvnc.com) |
| 17:38.36 | FrApAs | Someone know this warning : Warning: Division by zero in /index.php |
| 17:38.37 | rredd4 | SonnyBurnett open Synaptic Package Manager |
| 17:38.38 | cmatheson | mne: well, i would do that, except i have to pull the filenames from a file (i would normally use xargs for this?), i can't just do mv -- * dest/ |
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| 17:39.42 | cmatheson | mne: i don't think i can make xargs put the input in quotes.. there's probably some cooler way to do this than xargs like read'ing the file line-by-line and moving it, but i'm not cool enough to do that |
| 17:40.07 | mne | cmatheson, maybe you can write a short shell-script which processes all the ugly file-names in a for loop where you can do tez mv -- thing |
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| 17:43.40 | mne | cmatheson, I just pasted an example, hope it helps |
| 17:43.43 | mne | cmatheson, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2527 |
| 17:44.06 | rredd4 | SonnyBurnett http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/download.html then fill in there form.. its free |
| 17:44.09 | haaker9 | hello alguien que hable español |
| 17:44.34 | SonnyBurnett | rredd4, but theres no deb pkgs |
| 17:44.37 | mne | cmatheson, (my example just accepts files that start with [0-9] ...) |
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| 17:45.48 | rredd4 | somehow I lost my menus (file, edit, ... ) in mozilla, how do I get them back? I tried control and every key, didn't work |
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| 17:46.49 | cmatheson | mne: hey thanks |
| 17:46.57 | mne | is there a way to run amavis-stats with safe_mode turned on ? |
| 17:47.02 | mne | cmatheson, you'rewelcome |
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| 17:49.59 | rredd4 | SonnyBurnett there is a tar/gz.. you can use that |
| 17:50.08 | Teltariat | Greets folks. Running Debian etch, trying to "apt-get install firefox", but its consistently failing |
| 17:50.42 | nvz | now all I gotta do is talk the land lady into ditching her dialup internet and getting broadband and letting me hook up a (wireless) router.. the cable is included and in thier name so I am gonna try talk them into paying $20 worth of the bill and switching to highspeed for the same price as dial up an I will pay the difference :) |
| 17:50.50 | newpers | omg, linux.debian.users blows. i've posted twice and got refused twice because it's saying i'm not on some mailing list, which i'm on |
| 17:51.21 | newpers | it'd be ok, if the robot wouldn't respond back with half of my message |
| 17:52.43 | rredd4 | Teltariat apt-cache search showed this mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package |
| 17:52.54 | rredd4 | mozilla-firefox |
| 17:53.04 | nvz | I miss that about the Dallas area.. you could pretty much throw a Mac Classic in any direction and hit a housing development with A/C and Highspeed internet already in there |
| 17:53.23 | nvz | note you cant throw one of them heaps very far |
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| 17:54.30 | rredd4 | how can i see what subjects dpkg has? |
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| 17:55.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell rredd4 -about your factoids |
| 17:56.02 | rredd4 | ty |
| 17:56.09 | nvz | I thought he was talking about tasksel for a minute |
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| 17:56.17 | nvz | I didnt know he meant the blootbot |
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| 17:57.11 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.12 | chealer | newpers: newsgroups? eew |
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| 17:58.15 | newpers | chealer: hi again :0. yeah, i decided to post it on the newsgroup so that i didtn't have to bother you all again |
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| 17:58.42 | chealer | newpers: there are also mailing lists (but no forums) |
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| 17:59.07 | newpers | chealer: which mailling list do you recommend |
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| 17:59.21 | chealer | newpers: debian-user, in general |
| 17:59.33 | rredd4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.45 | newpers | thanks |
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| 18:03.24 | space | hiho |
| 18:03.25 | unix_infidel | if you use synclient to set up a variable, eg synclient var1=varvalue are those values permanent. |
| 18:03.33 | unix_infidel | or do they reset after x restarts? |
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| 18:04.00 | beered | how do I tell aterm to use a different font? how do I find out what fonts I have installed (WYSIWYG would be nice)? |
| 18:04.02 | space | thx for the help, my sound system is now properly configured ;-) |
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| 18:05.56 | chrysopa | how to find a file by your text in a console? |
| 18:06.15 | nvz | man find |
| 18:07.58 | beered | I'm trying to setup alsa and I don't know where to start. I have apt-get installed alasa-base alsa-oss and alsa-tools but I can't hear any musix trouhg xmms. |
| 18:08.01 | jif | beered: are you using gnome? |
| 18:08.11 | beered | jif: no, I'm using flux. |
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| 18:08.46 | tralala | beered: try to unmute the mixers with alsamixer |
| 18:09.00 | chrysopa | nvz, I dont find this information in find man :(. Do you know how to make it? |
| 18:09.14 | beered | tralala: alsamixer? |
| 18:09.33 | tralala | beered: yes, type that in a terminal |
| 18:09.47 | beered | tralala: E: Couldn't find package alsamixer |
| 18:09.58 | tralala | !tell beered -about alsa |
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| 18:11.48 | jetscreamer | it's alsamixergui or -gui |
| 18:11.59 | beered | tralala: I don't have 'modconf' package mentioned in the FIRST step of that how-to :-) |
| 18:11.59 | jetscreamer | if you have it |
| 18:12.08 | jetscreamer | beered: apt-get install modconf |
| 18:12.22 | jetscreamer | beered: it's used to be required, now it's optional |
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| 18:13.03 | beered | jetscreamer: no cigar. I unmuted everything and there is no sound. |
| 18:13.09 | vasundhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.14 | loxley_ | beered: to tell what fonts you've got run xfontsel |
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| 18:13.54 | beered | loxley_: thanks. I'll jot that down. I'm trying to setup sound right now. |
| 18:14.19 | tralala | did you run alsaconf and alsamixer? |
| 18:14.44 | beered | ldn't find package alsamixer |
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| 18:15.03 | beered | eeyore-: Couldn't find package alsaconf |
| 18:15.17 | jetscreamer | beered: try alsa-base |
| 18:15.28 | jetscreamer | apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 18:15.54 | beered | alsa-base is already the newest version but alsa-base: command not found |
| 18:15.56 | jetscreamer | beered: you should only 'need' that for a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:16.13 | beered | jetscreamer:Linux ibm 2.6.16.14 #1 |
| 18:16.17 | stew | beered: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 18:16.18 | vasundhar | Hi I have Debian sarge running on my machine with versio [Linux Debian 2.6.8-2-386 ] with gaim installed, I am able to connect to all but not to freenode or IRC can any one help please ?? |
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| 18:16.24 | jetscreamer | beered: then it's not in your path, try updatedb && locate alsa |
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| 18:16.38 | nielslensink | Is debian 64bit compatible ? |
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| 18:16.54 | valdyn | !confuse nielslensink |
| 18:16.55 | dpkg | Yes, those is our ferret tomorrow, nielslensink? lederhosen of the republic of mongolia with extra cream |
| 18:17.10 | rredd4 | beered type alsamixer |
| 18:17.12 | stew | nielslensink: yes |
| 18:17.19 | nielslensink | tnx :) |
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| 18:17.46 | nielslensink | i dont know anything about linux yet, but i got my dedicated 64 bit server and need a good OS :D |
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| 18:17.53 | nielslensink | and i choose debian |
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| 18:19.10 | beered | jetscreamer: ok. i found it. what do I do now? I'm not sure which alsa-base is the binary that I'm supposed to run, |
| 18:19.13 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 18:19.13 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 18:19.44 | jetscreamer | !info alsa-base |
| 18:19.46 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
| 18:20.20 | jetscreamer | alsa-base contains those programs you wanted to run |
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| 18:21.09 | myboxen | afternoon all |
| 18:21.18 | rredd4 | beered you should be able to type alsamixer in a console now |
| 18:21.31 | myboxen | i am using vmware to add some additional workstations on my box, and I am setting up shared folders. |
| 18:21.32 | beered | redloff: I have alsamixergui open. |
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| 18:22.03 | myboxen | this allows you to have a folder in the vm which maps directly to a folder on the host machine. I put the initial folder in the root /share |
| 18:22.23 | myboxen | however this folder has root ownership, would it be safe to replace that with something else? |
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| 18:23.00 | beered | I have alsagui open. Everything seems ok. the card is recognized and everything is unmuted. |
| 18:23.57 | mz_work | using ekiga, my video device is a camera through the bttv card but video in is not set properly on launch, have to select input source w/ tvtime but this ios creating problems w/ ekiga - anyone know how to configure bttv card w/out using tvtime? |
| 18:24.39 | beered | I get no sound trough xxms though. |
| 18:25.05 | stew | beered: do you get an error? or just no sound? are both master and pcm unmuted? |
| 18:25.17 | stew | beered: and which output plugin are you using with alsa? |
| 18:25.20 | stew | err, with xmms |
| 18:25.32 | jplibre | there's no way to specify a hostname pattern to match within iptables, is there? (ie match *.blah.com) |
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| 18:27.33 | stew | jplibre: in order to catch an ip address by its reverse dns? that can't possibly work with forward dns |
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| 18:27.50 | beered | stew: I get no sound trough xms. no errors. master and pcm are unmuted. I'm not sure what you mean with output plugin. |
| 18:28.37 | stew | OleMoudi: the output plugin tells xmms where to send the output, iirc options->preferences->output plugin or something like that |
| 18:28.41 | stew | beered: ^^ |
| 18:28.49 | stew | where the heck did i get that nicktab from? |
| 18:28.58 | beered | funny |
| 18:29.01 | mz_work | stew: blame the keyboard |
| 18:29.55 | beered | stew: output plugin: alsa 1.2.10 |
| 18:30.24 | stew | beered: you don't have more than one sound card do you? |
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| 18:30.41 | jplibre | stew: that was my understanding |
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| 18:30.46 | beered | stew: no, this is a laptop. I used to have alsa working before but had to reinstall and now it won't work. |
| 18:30.49 | mattex_ | Hi @ * |
| 18:30.51 | jplibre | stew: just didn't know if I was missing something |
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| 18:31.12 | bobdole_ | Which dhcp server should I choose out of all those that debian has... http://pastebin.com/711938 ? |
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| 18:31.31 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 18:31.35 | Shadowcat | !torture dpkg |
| 18:31.43 | Shadowcat | boo :( |
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| 18:32.31 | mattex_ | I want execute a my script at every boot ... Where I can add it? |
| 18:32.34 | Samuli^ | Does anybody know what might've gone wrong with my net-install of debian 'testing'. I had to apt-get gnome-desktop-environment package in order to get anything than blank screen after login screen. |
| 18:33.12 | mattex_ | I want execute a my script at every boot ... Where I can add it? |
| 18:33.27 | Shadowcat | mattex_: stop repeating |
| 18:33.30 | stew | mattex_: /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:33.30 | mattex_ | Which file I can modify for execute my script every boot? |
| 18:33.31 | bobdole_ | What dhcp server is best on debian etch? |
| 18:33.34 | mattex_ | mmm |
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| 18:34.02 | stew | mattex_: or /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 18:34.08 | bobdole_ | mattex_: put the script in /etc/init.d/scriphere; chmod +x /etc/init.d/scripthere; ln -s /etc/init.d/scripthere /etc/rc2.d/S99scripthere; |
| 18:34.34 | stew | Samuli^: what did you expect instead of a blank screen? debian doesn't install any window managers by default |
| 18:34.48 | mattex_ | Very thanks for the suggestion stew & bobdole_ =) |
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| 18:35.15 | Samuli^ | stew, I did check the box for 'desktop environment' at the installation prog, so I guess I expected a desktop environment :) |
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| 18:35.25 | beered | I think I'm missing some alsa packages. the only 'alsa' command available is alsamixergui. Should I see more alsa stuff when alsa-base is installed? |
| 18:35.30 | cmatheson | how can i get a file-descriptor of a file for use w/ the bash 'read' command? |
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| 18:35.43 | yang | does someone uses gpg-agent (gnupg) ? |
| 18:35.57 | stew | Samuli^: what version of libklavier10 do you have installed? is gnome working now? |
| 18:36.17 | jelly | yang: what's the problem? |
| 18:36.22 | Samuli^ | stew, Yes, it's working now. I just had to manually apt-get gnome-desktop-environment. |
| 18:36.29 | stew | beered: you probably want alsa-utils as well |
| 18:36.37 | grendal_prime | is there a way to capture an install via like vnc? |
| 18:36.39 | stew | Samuli^: what version of libklavier10 do you have installed? |
| 18:36.43 | Samuli^ | stew, how can I check that? |
| 18:36.55 | yang | jelly: when i start caff, after i start gpg-agent --daemon it refuses to connect... |
| 18:36.55 | stew | !wikifaq Samuli^ PackageManagement |
| 18:36.56 | dpkg | Samuli^: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:37.32 | stew | Samuli^: its common for gnome/kde to be broken in testing |
| 18:37.39 | nimak | why does evolution-data-server-1.4 keep restarting itself whenever i kill it? |
| 18:37.42 | Samuli^ | stew, oh, ok. |
| 18:37.56 | Samuli^ | I thought it's something I've should've filed bug report on. |
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| 18:38.21 | beered | stew: weeeel... that fixed it :-) |
| 18:38.26 | stew | Samuli^: you selected the desktop task with tasksel or aptitude? |
| 18:38.37 | beered | stew: thank you for your time and help. |
| 18:38.44 | stew | beered: you're welcome |
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| 18:39.02 | Samuli^ | stew, I'm not sure. Tasksel is the installation program? |
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| 18:39.59 | Samuli^ | Anyways that's what I did. I downloaded the netinst cd yesterday, fired it up. It found all repos all right, then i selected desktop environment and standard system from the prog. |
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| 18:40.33 | jelly | yang: does any other program using gpg-agent run correctly? |
| 18:40.34 | grendal_prime | aptitude |
| 18:40.34 | Samuli^ | and then used apt-get from terminal as the gdm login didn't work. |
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| 18:40.39 | stew | Samuli^: iirc tasksel only marks packages to be installed, not actually installs them, you have to install them with dselect or apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 18:40.48 | stew | Samuli^: "didn't work"? |
| 18:40.53 | yang | jelly: no...i just tried it with caff |
| 18:41.09 | stew | Samuli^: there are currently issues with testing and gnome which is why i was asking about libklavier10, |
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| 18:41.21 | stew | !debwiki Samuli^ Status/Testing |
| 18:41.22 | dpkg | Samuli^: http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
| 18:41.26 | Samuli^ | right, I'll check it up. |
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| 18:42.35 | jelly | yang: hm, try gpg for example. |
| 18:43.17 | yang | no...i need caff for signing keys |
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| 18:45.14 | jelly | yang: you say A doesn't work with B. How can we find out if A works at all unless we try using it with C? |
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| 18:45.42 | yang | jelly: it doesnt seem to work with gpg either |
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| 18:46.32 | Samuli^ | stew, it's 2.2-3 |
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| 18:46.48 | Samuli^ | but anyways, my gnome works fine now. |
| 18:46.52 | stew | Samuli^: that could explain problems with gnome session |
| 18:46.58 | Teltariat | trying to "apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 18:47.02 | Teltariat | but its failing with |
| 18:47.04 | Samuli^ | Yeah, I guess. |
| 18:47.07 | Teltariat | "Size mismatch" |
| 18:47.23 | stew | Teltariat: from which mirror? 128.101.240.212? |
| 18:47.23 | yetr | is it safe to remove these if i don't need it?: |
| 18:47.25 | yetr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 27 2006-04-08 05:54 linux-OLDVERSION.1144536990 -> kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:47.25 | yetr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2006-04-08 18:56 linux-OLDVERSION.1144542419 -> kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 18:47.25 | jelly | yang: hm, do you have GPG_AGENT_INFO env. variable set? |
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| 18:47.38 | yang | jelly: just a second |
| 18:47.41 | Teltariat | stew: from "mirror.cs.wisc.edu" |
| 18:48.52 | stew | Teltariat: which version of debian? sounds like a problem with that mirror |
| 18:49.28 | jelly | yang: gpg-agent runs here from X's session startup script and I have the env. variable set up automatically. If you started gpg-agent by hand, you might need to set the variable yourself so that programs know where to look for gpg-agent's socket. |
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| 18:49.47 | yang | jelly: i dont run X on that server |
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| 18:51.55 | jelly | yang: there ought to be a file like ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-HOSTNAME, which contains the GPG_AGENT_INFO var. |
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| 18:52.21 | jelly | yang: if you use sh/bash/ksh/zsh (not csh/tcsh), you can just source it from your shell. |
| 18:52.52 | Vladi_ | hi, i have subversion + apache2 + mod_pam_auth + samba + winbind they work but using TortouiseSVN to show log of repo i get alot of pam_winbind requests to the log suggesting that its using the auth for every dir and slowing down considerably? Can someone suggest some kind of caching or preventing the login request for each dir |
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| 18:55.32 | cshaman | Ahoy! |
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| 18:55.48 | cshaman | Why do some programs such as Apache require its own User and/or Group? |
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| 18:56.07 | js_ | cshaman: it's for security reasons |
| 18:56.08 | oskie | cshaman: running them as root would pose a great security risk |
| 18:56.24 | stew | cshaman: so that the programs have less privileges to do harm if they are compromised |
| 18:56.42 | yang | jelly: i dont have ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-HOSTNAME file |
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| 18:57.05 | cshaman | I see. |
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| 18:57.40 | jelly | yang: then, did gpg-agent output something on start? It ought to tell you what to put in GPG_AGENT_INFO. |
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| 18:57.59 | starfishy | is there a way to make aptitude not stop after a number of errors? |
| 18:58.06 | rpt | anyone know why /etc/sysctl.conf has all the settings THREE times in it? identical |
| 18:58.39 | yang | jelly, you mean this ? GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-Up8R7N/S.gpg-agent:7409:1 |
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| 18:59.21 | Hamled|School | Hi, when I ssh into my box, it gives me the IP from which I last logged in, is it possible to see a list of IP's prior to that? |
| 18:59.42 | stew | Hamled|School: type "last" |
| 18:59.45 | Hamled|School | thanks |
| 18:59.54 | lpb-oberon | test |
| 19:00.01 | es0 | I just upgraded from 2.6.14 to 2.6.16 (unstable) and now I can't get X to work. When I try to upgrade it, I'm told several of the packages I need are not available. Anyone have some insight for me? |
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| 19:00.32 | stew | es0: what is the error you are getting? no core pointer? |
| 19:00.38 | lazzarello | es0, downgrade to etch |
| 19:00.41 | starfishy | es0: let me guess, you are using unstable? |
| 19:00.57 | starfishy | duh |
| 19:00.59 | stew | starfishy: since he said it, its not really a guess, is it? |
| 19:01.03 | starfishy | yeah |
| 19:01.07 | starfishy | just saw it |
| 19:01.07 | edrin | can you recommend any svn client part of debian testing? |
| 19:01.08 | es0 | how do I downgrade to etch? Can I do it without starting from scratch? |
| 19:01.16 | es0 | hes, it is unstable. |
| 19:01.33 | lazzarello | start from scratch |
| 19:01.35 | stew | es0: there is no reason to downgrade |
| 19:01.44 | es0 | stew, the error when I try to run X or when I try to update it? |
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| 19:02.06 | stew | es0: upgrade it |
| 19:02.11 | stew | es0: either really |
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| 19:03.43 | kimo | Hi, If I use "-A INPUT -m state --state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" in my firewall, this effectively cancels my firewall, right ?? |
| 19:04.08 | es0 | stew, when I do the aptitude install x-window-system-core, I get a slew of unmet dependencies. |
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| 19:04.38 | stew | es0: forget x-window-system-core, install xorg instead ; and if you get errors, put the whole transaction into a pastebin |
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| 19:05.32 | es0 | stew what is a pastebin? |
| 19:05.39 | stew | !pastebin |
| 19:05.39 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:05.50 | es0 | stew, I get lots of conflicts and unmet dependencies. |
| 19:06.07 | stew | es0: yes, i understand. i can't help you with them without knowing what they are |
| 19:06.28 | es0 | stew, ok, I'll paste. |
| 19:06.50 | lpb-oberon | [Thu May 11 21:06:38 2006] [error] [client 81.210.177.232] (2)No such file or directory: Could not open password file: /var/wiki/obi.var/etc/.htpasswd |
| 19:06.50 | lpb-oberon | [Thu May 11 21:06:38 2006] [error] [client 81.210.177.232] user kiwi not found: /wiki/obi/ |
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| 19:08.29 | metatag | hello all |
| 19:09.23 | metatag | whats the command to get a list of all partitions and their sizes? |
| 19:09.25 | lws_ | Anybody got some instructions for getting debian stable working on an SunFire X2100? |
| 19:09.41 | starfishy | lws: what is not working for you? |
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| 19:09.54 | metatag | whats the command to get a list of all partitions and their sizes? |
| 19:09.55 | Kinks | metatag: df will list mounted filesystems |
| 19:10.00 | lws_ | starfishy: keyboard input |
| 19:10.08 | stew | metatag: fdisk -l |
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| 19:10.17 | metatag | thanks mates |
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| 19:10.34 | starfishy | you may want to try the 2.6 kernel in stable (if that's not default by now) |
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| 19:10.36 | metatag | am in the exams right now |
| 19:10.46 | metatag | you'll make me pass |
| 19:10.50 | starfishy | I remember from a while back that the 2.4 kernel has a problem with USB keyboards |
| 19:10.58 | LinuxJones | Anybody have an IRiver T30 working in Debian ? |
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| 19:11.31 | cshaman | Where is the default apache web folder specified in the Apache2 configuration? Whenever I access http://localhost/ my browser immediately jumps to /var/www/apache2-default/ or http://localhost/apache2-default |
| 19:12.10 | metatag | cshaman: /etc/apache2 |
| 19:12.10 | Kinks | cshaman: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 19:12.17 | es0 | stew http://pastebin.ca/55173 |
| 19:12.17 | lws_ | starfishy: yeah |
| 19:12.22 | lws_ | starfishy: Any idea how to fix it? :) |
| 19:12.23 | kiwi_ | hu |
| 19:12.30 | Kinks | nevermind, I misread |
| 19:12.35 | lws_ | I don't think it is the keyboard though |
| 19:13.08 | lws_ | NVM. I had a Ps/2 adapter for them on those other comps |
| 19:13.09 | lws_ | I forgot |
| 19:13.13 | cshaman | Thanks |
| 19:13.20 | lws_ | This machine has no PS/2 ports though |
| 19:13.27 | starfishy | yeah |
| 19:13.31 | lws_ | Is there a way to use the etch installer to install stable? |
| 19:13.36 | StereoSkit | omg, #debian is moving from freenode? |
| 19:13.40 | starfishy | thats what made me suspect the kernel |
| 19:13.46 | stew | es0: what happens if you accept that solution? |
| 19:14.28 | starfishy | lws: should be no problem, just adjust the installation source in the installer accordingly |
| 19:14.33 | mykhi | hi, after dist-upgrade my debian (unstable) stopped detect devices conencted to IDE (like cdrom) any ideas? |
| 19:14.39 | Ronin | StereoSkit: no theyre not, it was just a suggestion to be discussed |
| 19:14.43 | es0 | stew, hang on.. I do it... I don't think I can make it worse.. can i? |
| 19:14.49 | Ronin | its not the offical channel anyhow here |
| 19:14.51 | lws_ | starfishy: Hmm okay |
| 19:15.25 | stew | es0: wait |
| 19:15.28 | StereoSkit | Ronin: im still reading the mailing list discussion, i hope they dont move it |
| 19:15.31 | stew | es0: you are upgrading from xfree? |
| 19:15.39 | starfishy | lws_, why not use etch altogether? |
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| 19:15.54 | starfishy | lws_, some of the hardware may not be supported in sarge |
| 19:15.56 | es0 | stew, how would I know that? dpkg -la|grep ?? |
| 19:16.20 | lws_ | starfishy: Yeah I know |
| 19:16.25 | Ronin | StereoSkit: why not? its already the official one on oftc, besides just cause they announce the move doesnt mean this or the one on efnet close |
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| 19:16.50 | lws_ | starfishy: I'll have to reboot and install ssh in the installer to upgrade my kernel and whatnot |
| 19:17.09 | starfishy | lws_, btw, i hope you have a set of good earmuffs ;) |
| 19:17.12 | es0 | stew, yes, I have xfree86 installed |
| 19:17.22 | lws_ | starfishy: heh, the other servers I hve are louder |
| 19:17.35 | starfishy | lws_, thats why i suggested etch, you wouldnt have to upgrade as much as in sarge |
| 19:17.39 | stew | es0: i believe that there are current problems upgrading from xfree to xorg7 without upgrading via 6.9. i would recommend you upgrade fully to testing, before going to unstable |
| 19:17.42 | lws_ | starfishy: I think i'll go deaf. The funniest thing is our servers are in the area with all the cubicles where i work. We don't have a closet. |
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| 19:17.51 | stew | es0: and why not just stay in testing? |
| 19:17.54 | lws_ | starfishy: so there's constant whrrrring fans in the background |
| 19:17.56 | starfishy | lws_, that sucks |
| 19:18.07 | StereoSkit | Ronin: i didnt know there's one #debian on efnet, and i thougtht if they move it this would be closed, well why not? because personally i am on more channel here like fluxbox, freeBSD, and some other local (peruvian) wich im part of |
| 19:18.33 | lws_ | starfishy: most of our servers are old pedestal stuff. I hate working on them though so I'm going to rackmount stuff. |
| 19:18.33 | starfishy | lws_, i have a lone 2100 in the next cubicle for testing and I can only run it for a short while before my coworkers start sharpening their knives |
| 19:18.33 | lws_ | starfishy: unfortunately i don't have a rack yet. |
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| 19:18.45 | es0 | stew, I'll gladly stay in testing. This machine was one of the first I installed debian on and had no idea which version to use. |
| 19:18.48 | lws_ | starfishy: hehe |
| 19:18.59 | es0 | stew, how do I move from unstable to testing? |
| 19:19.08 | starfishy | lws_, the other day I saw the perfect rack at weirdstuff - a fullsize Sun enclosure |
| 19:19.15 | starfishy | was about 200 |
| 19:19.24 | unix_infidel | does this channel allow proxy acccess? |
| 19:19.29 | starfishy | i considered getting it but the noise would drive me up the wall |
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| 19:20.09 | plugwash | es0 not easilly, you can change your sources but existing packages from unstable won't be downgraded unless you either forciblly downgrade them or do some trickery |
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| 19:20.24 | NeonLevel | hello guys, good afternoon, here is my question: i have a linux connected to the internet, sharing my internet connection (MASQ), inside my Lan i have a WinXP, trying to connect to a VPN Server using PPTP, but it won't connect, nevertheless if i connect the WinXP directly to the Internet with out the Linux, i can connect perfectly. So i guess the Linux is somehow not allowing the PPTP Passtrhough!, |
| 19:20.24 | NeonLevel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.38 | stew | es0: man sources.list |
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| 19:20.51 | es0 | it might be easier to just reinstall. |
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| 19:21.10 | stew | plugwash: it doesn't seem like he likely to be running many newer than testing packages as he still has xfree |
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| 19:23.50 | yang | jelly: still there? |
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| 19:24.23 | LionSGI | re |
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| 19:26.54 | Coutal | say, i have a question. if i want to start working on a package informally, do i need to put a notice in the wnpp? |
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| 19:30.54 | abrotman | Coutal: do you want to get it included in Debian ? |
| 19:31.21 | Coutal | abrotman: yes |
| 19:31.37 | Coutal | but... i was planning to start the prospective maintainer process only after i have done building the package |
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| 19:32.42 | abrotman | Coutal: you can submit an RFP, tell them you currently plan to work on it unofficially, but you're probably going to apply for DD. You might be able to find a sponsor too |
| 19:32.50 | abrotman | Coutal: also .. ask #debian-mentors |
| 19:32.51 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 19:32.51 | dpkg | well, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors |
| 19:33.13 | Coutal | abrotman: i plan on looking for a sponsor once i have something worthwhile to offer |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | Coutal: good plan .. |
| 19:33.41 | Coutal | i have already gone through the process once, but failed to create the package. i was really unhappy with it |
| 19:33.49 | Coutal | although it was a few years ago |
| 19:34.38 | sigjuice | is there an easy way to look at the changelog deltas for all the packages that got updated by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:36.45 | abrotman | Coutal: what software is this? |
| 19:37.14 | POVaddct | is there a command line substitute for gtkpod? |
| 19:38.13 | raf256 | stallman --spank --goat segfauls, any idea why? |
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| 19:38.32 | Coutal | abrotman: openlaszlo |
| 19:38.47 | Coutal | i was very surprised it wasn't on wnpp |
| 19:38.47 | raf256 | with SIGGPLV: Remove non-free package "rar" |
| 19:39.25 | raf256 | sigjuice: afair perhaps root gets email about changes |
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| 19:45.04 | somePriest | Is there an unbuffered version of OD? I want to see each byte as it arrives so that I can test a program. |
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| 19:47.00 | jelly | yang: I'm back |
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| 19:47.47 | r3set`mobil | hi fans, anyone knows about a good wifi/wlan applet for gnome? |
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| 19:48.35 | r3set`mobil | would be nice if it could show the signal strength and abled to access /etc/network/interfaces directly |
| 19:48.42 | vali_ | i have installed apache. how can i make it start every time i reboot my computer? |
| 19:48.57 | abrotman | coutalnever heard of it |
| 19:49.10 | stew | vali_: that should be the default. you can set it explicitly with update-rc.d, or set/check it with rcconf |
| 19:49.17 | lazzarello | r3set`mobil, http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/rnwhatsnew.html |
| 19:49.31 | peritus | r3set`mobil: networkmanager is in unstable. however it is not integrated with /etc/network/interfaces yet |
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| 19:49.45 | r3set`mobil | i've got gnome 2.14 |
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| 19:50.05 | lazzarello | or just like, don't use wifi with Linux cause it sucks and live with command line tools? |
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| 19:50.30 | lazzarello | I've noticed that 'iwconfig wlan0 essid any' is pretty reliable for roaming. |
| 19:50.31 | r3set`mobil | i already live with them |
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| 19:50.47 | chino[server] | when i try to run openoffice i get 'I18N: Operating system doesn't support locale ""' |
| 19:50.51 | peritus | r3set`mobil: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 19:50.54 | chino[server] | and it just hangs |
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| 19:51.06 | lazzarello | chino[server], apt-get install locales |
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| 19:51.13 | chino[server] | what does locales mean ? |
| 19:51.16 | r3set`mobil | thank you |
| 19:51.16 | alex_joni | evening, got a question about udev & debian-install |
| 19:51.24 | alex_joni | err.. udeb |
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| 19:51.49 | chino[server] | lazzarello: it ran fine before why does it do this now ? |
| 19:52.04 | somePriest | How can I watch data on the serial port unbuffered? |
| 19:52.15 | lazzarello | chino[server], no idea |
| 19:52.25 | shogunx | anybody know of a way to crypt an Xnest'd remote X11 connection without using an ipsec or similar tunnel? |
| 19:52.25 | chino[server] | what is locales thoug ? |
| 19:52.40 | lazzarello | apt-cache show locales |
| 19:52.52 | shogunx | somePriest picocom perhaps? |
| 19:52.56 | r3set`mobil | locale -> language and so on... |
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| 19:53.15 | chino[server] | what do i do ? |
| 19:53.17 | chino[server] | its asking me questions |
| 19:53.24 | somePriest | shogunx, Hrm, haven't that installed. Is it like the editor? |
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| 19:53.51 | shogunx | somePriest, its like a terminal application that will listen on a ttyS* |
| 19:54.02 | stew | shogunx: does ssh count as a "similar tunnel"? |
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| 19:54.18 | vali_ | stew: hmm, well it wasn't default on this installation. i can find update-rc.d, but i can't find rcconf |
| 19:54.18 | shogunx | like a terminal emulator really, capable of any terminal type listed in /etc/termcap |
| 19:54.26 | stew | vali_: apt-get install rcconf |
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| 19:54.30 | dman | yesterday did an install (woody update to sarge). after the install was complete, i took out the graphics card and keyboard, and powered up the system.. but LILO did not load further than LI. im currently doing a fresh install. how can i safely take away keyboard and graphics card? |
| 19:54.36 | stew | vali_: did you previously have apache installed? |
| 19:54.39 | chino[server] | i sware debian is on crack |
| 19:54.43 | vali_ | stew: no |
| 19:54.43 | chino[server] | what is all this bullshit |
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| 19:54.56 | somePriest | shogunx, And its not buffered as is od (which is something I can't possibly imagine to be a good thing)? |
| 19:55.22 | shogunx | stew I want to be able to Xnest :1 -query hostname to get an xdm login securely. |
| 19:55.32 | stew | vali_: does "ls /etc/rc2.d | grep apache" return a file starting with S ? |
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| 19:55.47 | vali_ | stew: no |
| 19:56.01 | stew | vali_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:56.06 | shogunx | somePriest you might even be able to get a raw dump out of it. try it out and see if it does the job for you. apt-get install picocom. |
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| 19:56.20 | vali_ | stew: hmm, the default kernel was 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 19:57.20 | shogunx | stew so i'm not passing username/pass pairs over the public internet. |
| 19:57.30 | stew | vali_: and what version does "apt-cache policy apache" list for Installed: and Candidate:? |
| 19:57.31 | shogunx | plaintext anyway. |
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| 19:57.46 | chino[server] | its still saying hte same stupid crap |
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| 19:58.29 | stew | shogunx: it seems like you could tunnel port 6001 over ssh maybe, but i'm not sure i understand what exactly you are trying to do (-query hostname confuses me) |
| 19:58.43 | stew | vali_: so its not starting at boot becuase you don't actually have apache installed |
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| 19:59.30 | stew | vali_: "apt-get install apache" or "apt-get install apache2" will install apache |
| 19:59.52 | mike11234 | i wonder if anyone can help me but im having some problems powering of my debian 3.1 machine. When i go to shut it down it goes through the shut down procedure but then outpus loads of hex numbers rather then powering of, Somebody suggested that it could be apm rather then acpi so i loaded the apm module but this dosent seam to have corrected it. Has anyone got any ideas |
| 20:00.01 | vali_ | stew: |
| 20:00.01 | vali_ | /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl |
| 20:00.04 | vali_ | start |
| 20:00.12 | vali_ | stew: when i do that, my webpage is working |
| 20:00.37 | somePriest | shogunx, I grabbed a source copy. Ran it as `./picocom /dev/ttyS0` and it says "Terminal ready", but when I dumped stuff onto the serial port, picocom doesn't display anything. Perhaps I'm using it wrong, I'll have to read the docs. |
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| 20:00.51 | stew | vali_: why did you install apache in /usr/local instead of using the packaging system? |
| 20:00.53 | shogunx | stew X -query foo.bar.com or Xnest -query foo.bar.com will make an xdmcp connection to foo.bar.com, which gives an xdm login screen (kdm, & gdm do it too, btw) |
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| 20:01.37 | trenka | mike11234: what kernel are you using and what are the numbers ? |
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| 20:01.49 | shogunx | stew i want that xdm login window to come over the line crypted. |
| 20:02.03 | stew | shogunx: then you should be able to ssh -L6001:foo.bar.com:6001 foo.bar.com ; then run X -query localhost ; (the port 6001 will be tunneled to the remote port via ssh), but i don't know if 6001 is the right port |
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| 20:02.28 | shogunx | stew i'll give ti a try. |
| 20:02.35 | bobdole | How do I install a tor server...is it in main for etch...or do I have to manually download it? |
| 20:02.53 | stew | shogunx: or something along those lines, but figure out which port xdmcp would want to use |
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| 20:02.55 | Roger_RJ | alguem sabe qual e o canal rio ? |
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| 20:03.12 | stew | !br-es |
| 20:03.14 | mike11234 | trenka, im using the 2.4.27-2-686 kernel |
| 20:03.19 | stew | !esbr |
| 20:03.19 | dpkg | Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 20:03.22 | shogunx | somePriest you dumped stuff to the serial port from another local process, or from a remote serial port? |
| 20:03.35 | vali_ | stew: i had to install from source |
| 20:03.37 | dman | yesterday did an install (woody update to sarge). after the install was complete, i took out the graphics card and keyboard, and powered up the system.. but LILO did not load further than LI. im currently doing a fresh install. how can i safely take away keyboard and graphics card? thank you. |
| 20:03.38 | shogunx | stew xdmcp runs over 177udp |
| 20:03.56 | yang | jelly: well, i wonder where to get a source for the gpg-agent, becouse this old release seems not to work |
| 20:04.13 | somePriest | shogunx, Local, using a loopback device. |
| 20:04.13 | yang | jelly: i dont know what else i should do |
| 20:04.27 | somePriest | shogunx, Null modem that is. |
| 20:04.32 | stew | shogunx: oh yikes, i dunno about tunneling udp over ssh |
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| 20:06.00 | yang | jelly: i will continue tomorow |
| 20:06.00 | mrex | trying to use an external (wireless) keybd on a laptop via usb (no ps2 slots), but it keeps disconnecting and trying again (according to dmesg). how do i get it to work? using 2.6.17-rc2 |
| 20:06.12 | mrex | dman: does it work fine when the card and keyboard are in? |
| 20:06.21 | shogunx | stew i just set up x11 forwarding on the remote X server, and ssh -X foo.bar.com then from foo.bar.com did Xnest -query localhost and it gave me my xdm login in a window, so that way works. |
| 20:06.23 | mrex | dman: or was it after the upgrade that that happened? |
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| 20:06.45 | shogunx | somePriest ahh... you can get a dump of a remote session. |
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| 20:06.52 | abrotman | dman: i don't think they keyboard/video card were at fault |
| 20:06.58 | abrotman | think the |
| 20:06.59 | stew | vali_: why did you have to install from source? |
| 20:07.03 | dman | mrex, it worked fine after the upgrade, probs started after i took away video and keyb. LILO just stopped at LI |
| 20:07.03 | mike11234 | is there a way to disable apci |
| 20:07.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:07.30 | abrotman | CUE GOOGLE! |
| 20:07.33 | mrex | dman: i had that before and changed something in the bios about allowing no keyboard and my problem went away. i cant remeber what lilo did tho |
| 20:07.33 | stew | !li |
| 20:07.33 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 20:07.34 | shogunx | somePriest you might be able to dump stuff to /dev/ttyS1 and listen with picocom on /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 20:07.49 | shogunx | if you have two serial ports and connect the two. |
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| 20:08.01 | mrex | dman, but i suspect what stew suggests |
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| 20:08.04 | dman | mrex, that has been taklen care of.. system boots ok |
| 20:08.55 | dman | mrex,stew, yesterday did not have boot diskets, today i have 2 |
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| 20:09.22 | dman | mrex,stew, did not change anything on the disk (a 1.2GB disk) |
| 20:09.28 | vali_ | stew: because of school. i just need to find a way to make it start when i boot the computer |
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| 20:10.14 | stew | vali_: /etc/init.d/README |
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| 20:10.23 | dman | mrex,stew: my ubuntu system came with grub, and never had any probs.. should i give grub a try iso lilo? |
| 20:10.30 | shogunx | stew the port forward you recommended worked too. |
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| 20:10.37 | abrotman | dman: how did you get woody installed? and why didn't you install sarge to begin with ? |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | actually .. ignore the first question :) |
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| 20:11.05 | dman | abrotman, it was what i had on cd |
| 20:11.06 | mrex | dman, read what dpkg said earlier. if all that doesnt work, then grub is an option |
| 20:11.23 | stew | dman: either grub or lilo should work without problems. grub is generally easier to work with |
| 20:11.25 | dman | mrex, doing a new install as we write |
| 20:11.28 | abrotman | dman: erm .. ok |
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| 20:12.38 | mrex | trying to use an external (wireless) keybd on a laptop via usb (no ps2 slots), but it keeps disconnecting and trying again (according to dmesg). how do i get it to work? using 2.6.17-rc2 |
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| 20:13.14 | dman | abrotman, im finishing with the same system right? it only takes a bit longer.. |
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| 20:13.39 | abrotman | dman: well .. i guess . but the extra step makes it that much more fun :) |
| 20:13.40 | mrex | is it something with usb HID or could it be something else? |
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| 20:14.39 | dman | abrotman, the only thing is that i will probably run an older kernel.. |
| 20:14.48 | abrotman | woody does run older kernels |
| 20:14.58 | abrotman | the sarge installer is superior in almost every way |
| 20:16.08 | dman | ive ftp-ed the netinstall today, i need help of a friend to burn the thing abrotman, so a next install would be smoother |
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| 20:16.45 | stew | !tell root about root |
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| 20:17.05 | dman | its an old P1 166mhz system abrotman, so im not looking for the kernel to support the latest |
| 20:17.05 | abrotman | dman: ok |
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| 20:17.12 | abrotman | dman: ah .. gotcha .. |
| 20:17.17 | abrotman | dman: how much RAM ? |
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| 20:17.33 | Thanatermesis | x en es but it really enought? |
| 20:17.39 | dman | abrotman, a whole shipload of 40M ;-) |
| 20:17.45 | Thanatermesis | ops, wrong channel |
| 20:17.52 | abrotman | dman: OMFG .. how did you pack it all in therE?!!?!?!? |
| 20:18.08 | POVaddct | dman: you definitely want woody :) |
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| 20:18.11 | abrotman | dman: would it make you feel worse if i told you that i have a 486 with 36MB? :) |
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| 20:18.19 | abrotman | POVaddct: he can install sarge on that |
| 20:18.27 | abrotman | and he really should |
| 20:18.29 | jengelh | how about: I have a 386 with 5MB RAM. |
| 20:18.31 | dman | its going to run a ssh+ftp+torrent tracker.... abrotman ... ;-) |
| 20:18.42 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 20:18.42 | jengelh | and it runs linux. |
| 20:18.46 | callee | have there been any significant changes to udev in testing? |
| 20:18.46 | abrotman | elks? |
| 20:18.51 | jengelh | without elks |
| 20:19.05 | jengelh | and without -tinyX patchset |
| 20:19.05 | callee | because ever since i updated udev my custom rules no longer work |
| 20:19.07 | stew | callee: yes |
| 20:19.11 | POVaddct | jengelh: which kernel/glibc/...? |
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| 20:19.27 | abrotman | it would be nice if someone could slim donw the debian installer to work on older systems .. oh well |
| 20:19.46 | rpt | err how do I echo something and then cat a file (with one line) on the _same_ line? :p |
| 20:19.47 | abrotman | callee: it's udev ... in testing .. you should anticipate daily breakage |
| 20:19.48 | stew | a 386 will no longer be supported by debian |
| 20:19.54 | jengelh | 2.6.13-rc6 IIR, glibc 2.3.5, and sash. On two floppies. I did not yet took the time to do a setup to harddisk. |
| 20:20.03 | wedge | 386 wont be supported no more? OH NOOO |
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| 20:20.07 | dman | i was sort of lucky abrotman, the system originally came with 32M, but found two 4MB sticks on a pc someone threw away... ;-) |
| 20:20.13 | abrotman | dman: WOOHOO! |
| 20:20.20 | wedge | My beowulf-cluster of 386's will cease to be supported! |
| 20:20.22 | stew | wedge: no, the libc6 in testing will not work on a 386 anymore |
| 20:20.23 | dman | thats recycling.. |
| 20:20.27 | abrotman | Wedge: well .. it *might* work .. but it's a security risk |
| 20:20.33 | jengelh | Though I had to recompile glibc to work on i386 |
| 20:20.43 | stew | callee: you might try saving off your custom rules, then /msg dpkg fresh udev config, then move them back in |
| 20:20.46 | abrotman | Wedge: depending on how many that is .. might be good |
| 20:20.47 | jengelh | cmpxchg is not available on i386 ;) |
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| 20:20.58 | chealer | callee: use apt-listchanges |
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| 20:21.13 | callee | abrotman: well, debian stable i can anticipate to die of old age every day, so thats no big difference, on a desktop stable is unusable |
| 20:21.20 | callee | especially not on a laptop |
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| 20:22.19 | abrotman | callee: ehhe |
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| 20:24.07 | plugwash | hmm i thought sarge was still quite new |
| 20:24.08 | vali_ | can someone send me their startup file for apache in rc2.d? |
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| 20:24.36 | plugwash | i agree that woody got insanely old before it was replaced though |
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| 20:25.30 | chealer | vali_: rc?.d usually contains symlinks |
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| 20:26.22 | DimmuR | I'm searching for a tool (for Debian) that helps me making stats total download/upload/connection counts (per hour/minute) etc for defined ips any sugestions? |
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| 20:26.31 | plugwash | on the subject of runlevels when the heck does debian start to graphical login in every runlevel except single user? |
| 20:26.37 | destr0 | what does the who utility query to get whose on information |
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| 20:27.19 | chino[server] | dude i still cant get my openoffice to start what kinda crack head operating system is this ? |
| 20:27.28 | chealer | plugwash: what? |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | destr0: whois or who ? |
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| 20:27.48 | chealer | chino[server]: it's a dude crack OS |
| 20:27.59 | plugwash | chealer when i install say kdm it sets it up to start in every runlevel from 2 to 5 |
| 20:28.01 | DimmuR | chino[server]: what error's you get? |
| 20:28.05 | stew | chino[server]: what version of debian are you running? and what version of openoffice.org do you have installed? |
| 20:28.15 | chealer | plugwash: yeah... |
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| 20:28.27 | plugwash | unlike most distros i've that let you use the runlevel to chose if the system should boot to graphical login |
| 20:28.52 | stew | plugwash: feel free to customize what runs in which runlevel using update-rc.d |
| 20:28.55 | chealer | plugwash: Debian also lets you do that |
| 20:28.56 | chino[server] | my openoffice was running fine all i did was restart my vnc server and now it just hangs when i try to start it up it says 'I18N: Operating system doesn't support locale ""' |
| 20:29.08 | azeem | plugwash: the runlevels 2-5 are to be customized by the admin |
| 20:29.13 | chino[server] | i have debian sarge and the default apt openoffice |
| 20:29.31 | stew | chino[server]: what version of the openoffice.org package do you have installed? |
| 20:29.42 | flotsam | does anyone know of an easy way to install window maker themes in Sarge? There used to be a program call wmakerthemetodeb but it seems to be gone now. |
| 20:29.50 | jsn | One way to find out, chino[server], is dpkg -l | grep openoffice |
| 20:30.03 | chino[server] | stew: i dont know it wont let me send it hte -v switch it just keeps hanging |
| 20:30.03 | plugwash | azeem customisable and sane defaults are not mutually exclusive |
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| 20:30.19 | chino[server] | 1.3.9 |
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| 20:30.24 | chino[server] | 1.1.3.9 |
| 20:30.26 | azeem | plugwash: sane default is: If you install kdm we guess you want to run it as well |
| 20:30.59 | chino[server] | i havn't done anything to my system why would this happen |
| 20:31.01 | stew | chino[server]: how are you trying to start it? |
| 20:31.15 | chino[server] | stew: i tyoped in openoffice at hte cli |
| 20:31.39 | jsn | I am currently making a level 0 dump, which I don't do often enough, and I am storing it on CD-R. Is there any way to confirm that the dump is a "valid" dumpfile, before I burn the CD? |
| 20:31.57 | chino[server] | i think i might have multiple versaions installed |
| 20:32.02 | callee | hm, things didnt change, my old config is still there and yet udev doesnt give a damn about it |
| 20:32.04 | plugwash | azeem sure i guess putting the default runlevel at 2 leaves no room to have a standard non-graphical runlevel like other distros do |
| 20:32.48 | chino[server] | http://pastebin.com/712208 |
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| 20:33.37 | tralala | plugwash: the text/graphical login in Debian is not manipulated through the runlevels |
| 20:34.00 | stew | chino[server]: do you have locales installed? |
| 20:34.19 | stew | chino[server]: is anything else at all printed on other than the error about locales? |
| 20:34.23 | chino[server] | stew: yes and like i said i havn't done anything to the systme |
| 20:34.37 | chino[server] | no it doen't even finsh executing it just hangs |
| 20:34.38 | stew | chino[server]: yes to which? |
| 20:34.51 | chino[server] | which what ? |
| 20:34.59 | chino[server] | i dont even know hwat locales are i havn't touched anything |
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| 20:35.11 | stew | chino[server]: what question were you answering yes to? |
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| 20:35.24 | chino[server] | yes i have locales |
| 20:35.40 | chino[server] | i just insatlled it |
| 20:35.52 | stew | how long have you waited after starting it? |
| 20:35.57 | flotsam | does anyone else use windowmaker and install themes out there? |
| 20:35.59 | stew | chino[server]: have you tried stracing it? |
| 20:36.05 | chino[server] | wtf is a strace ? |
| 20:36.18 | callee | and apt-listchanges doesnt reveal anything |
| 20:36.39 | chino[server] | stew: like i said this comes out of no where i havn't done anything to the system |
| 20:36.48 | chino[server] | my vnc crashed that was about it |
| 20:36.51 | chino[server] | and i had a document open |
| 20:37.03 | Rockj | Anyone can recommended any prefered tutorials for ATI on Debian Etch? |
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| 20:37.30 | stew | chino[server]: try moving any .openoffice directories from your home directory to somewhere else, and try starting it again |
| 20:37.36 | destr0 | abrotman: who |
| 20:37.47 | abrotman | HI |
| 20:37.58 | abrotman | destr0: i would imagine somewhere in /proc/ |
| 20:38.13 | stew | Rockj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; and choose "ati" as the driver |
| 20:38.16 | abrotman | nope... |
| 20:38.25 | abrotman | destr0: man who .. /var/run/utmp |
| 20:39.00 | chino[server] | ok cute so every time it crashes everything goes to hell |
| 20:39.21 | chino[server] | idk its still talking about locales and i dont see no programm starting up |
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| 20:39.52 | stew | chino[server]: did you move your .openoffice? how long have you waited? its a very slow program to start up |
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| 20:40.04 | the_room_flooder | can i flood the room |
| 20:40.21 | chino[server] | its never been this slow and yes im waiting and yes i remoeved the home directory |
| 20:40.21 | quitte | !room |
| 20:40.21 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 20:40.35 | the_room_flooder | * Now talking on #ubuntu |
| 20:40.35 | the_room_flooder | * Topic for #ubuntu is: Official Ubuntu support channel | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | Dapper information and help in #ubuntu+1 | IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaqOnIrc | Pastes to Pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ | Join #ubuntu-offtopic for general chatter |
| 20:40.35 | the_room_flooder | * Topic for #ubuntu set by apokryphos at Mon Apr 24 16:24:38 2006 |
| 20:40.35 | the_room_flooder | * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect |
| 20:40.35 | tralala | !flood |
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| 20:40.35 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:40.51 | abrotman | tralala: come on .. it was obviously a troll |
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| 20:41.06 | family_ | hello |
| 20:41.07 | abrotman | !ops n=family@cpe-071-068-222-105.sc.res.rr.com flooding |
| 20:41.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: n=family@cpe-071-068-222-105.sc.res.rr.com flooding |
| 20:41.07 | chino[server] | debian is seriously not even linux anymore i never had such weird issues with slackware |
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| 20:41.21 | chealer | callee: it's too late for apt-listchanges now. you should use that before upgrading |
| 20:41.30 | azeem | chino[server]: it's GNU/Linux, not linux |
| 20:41.33 | tralala | chino[server]: the good thing is that you are not forced to use debian |
| 20:41.49 | callee | chealer: hmm |
| 20:41.55 | Rockj | stew: that is the recommended driver for gaming performance? fglrx better? |
| 20:41.56 | stew | chino[server]: you are having a problem with openoffice, i don't see any reason to believe your problem is debian related |
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| 20:42.05 | callee | well, actually udev just rendered my box unusable |
| 20:42.07 | nexis | has anyone else noticed a clock dift problem with the 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 20:42.14 | stew | callee: in what way? |
| 20:42.18 | jsn | I bet chino has some rogue openoffice processes still running invisibly. |
| 20:42.26 | jsn | Have you done a ps -ef, chino? |
| 20:42.27 | chino[server] | stew: well its telling me my os doesn't support something |
| 20:42.29 | stew | Rockj: the non-free drivers are better for performance |
| 20:42.46 | RichiH | famstop this, please |
| 20:42.50 | callee | stew: i use harddiskencryption and the key is on an usbstick, now guess where the script to decrypt looks for the usbstick... |
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| 20:42.56 | RichiH | oh, i am too late |
| 20:42.57 | jsn | Can anyone help me with my dump question? Is there a way to check, before writing to CD-R media, whether or not the dump came out OK, i.e. the dump is recover-able? |
| 20:42.59 | chino[server] | im sitll waiting on a 2.6 ghz to startup a simple little program it has 100 times |
| 20:43.01 | abrotman | RichiH: he's gone! |
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| 20:43.12 | chino[server] | stew: i really dont think its still starting up |
| 20:43.39 | Rockj | stew: in easier words for a newbie, fglrx? and thanks for your advice :) |
| 20:43.44 | RichiH | abrotman: indeed |
| 20:43.51 | RichiH | abrotman: thanks for the pokage |
| 20:43.53 | stew | chino[server]: try adding a new user to your system and try starting it as that new user |
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| 20:44.15 | RichiH | abrotman:having two staffers on the ops factoid sure takes care of flooders ;) |
| 20:44.19 | abrotman | RichiH: i figured with a nick/action like that .. it was only a matter of time :) |
| 20:44.34 | stew | Rockj: i'm not sure i understand what you are asking |
| 20:44.58 | chino[server] | it said the same thing about locales but started up in a flash as a new user.... |
| 20:44.59 | Rockj | stew: just wondering what you meant by non-free drivers are better. which one is non-free? *looks down* |
| 20:45.03 | RichiH | abrotman: indeed |
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| 20:45.14 | RichiH | we only need to get the caller's nick in there, too |
| 20:45.18 | stew | Rockj: the fglrx drivers are non-free. they are closed source |
| 20:45.26 | jsn | where have all the dump-experts gone, long time passing, where have all the dump-experts gone, long time or slow |
| 20:45.33 | chino[server] | stew: so what the hell is so screwed in my home directory that this isn't working ? |
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| 20:45.38 | stew | callee: did you try a fresh udev config? what is mounting the usb-stick? |
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| 20:46.09 | stew | chino[server]: i would guess its something in your .openoffice directory |
| 20:46.19 | Rockj | stew: ahh. any recommanded guides you know that I can follow? or just google and hope I find a good one? :) |
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| 20:46.39 | brainiac|away | hi all |
| 20:46.40 | stew | Rockj: someone else might be able to help |
| 20:46.49 | brainiac|away | how do you delete a directory |
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| 20:46.57 | brainiac|away | sorry, n00b at this |
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| 20:47.03 | stew | callee: err what should be mounting the usb-stick? |
| 20:47.06 | Eclipser | rmdir directory |
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| 20:47.08 | Eclipser | if it's empty |
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| 20:47.14 | brainiac|away | cheers Eclipser |
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| 20:47.26 | Rockj | stew: okidokie. Thank you very much for your help so far. |
| 20:47.28 | brainiac|away | Eclipser, what if it has files in |
| 20:47.37 | Eclipser | rm -r directory if it's not empty, rm -rf will force it's deletion so be careful |
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| 20:47.42 | Eclipser | brainiac|away, man rm |
| 20:47.43 | brainiac|away | cheers |
| 20:47.45 | brainiac|away | :) |
| 20:47.48 | zrin | what do I need to print from debian system on a printer shared under winxp? |
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| 20:47.51 | brainiac|away | k Eclipser |
| 20:47.58 | callee | stew: the usbstick itself is encrypted and the script launches a komplex series of commands to decrypt it in the proper way, i cannot do that manually, that would take very long |
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| 20:48.18 | `DamN` | zrin: use cups |
| 20:48.21 | Eclipser | brainiac|away, everyone makes mistakes with rm -rf sometimes |
| 20:48.31 | stew | callee: have you tried a fresh udev config? /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
| 20:48.36 | `DamN` | zrin: it has nice configurator (GUI) |
| 20:48.37 | zrin | `DamN`: cups is enough? anything else? |
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| 20:49.07 | stew | callee: do you know what the device name used to be? perhaps the device name changed? |
| 20:49.08 | callee | stew: yes |
| 20:49.11 | cureless | hmm, strange this irc program is... |
| 20:49.16 | zrin | `DamN`: do I need cupsys or just cupsys-client? |
| 20:49.23 | callee | stew: the devicename was taken from a custom rule i wrote |
| 20:49.31 | `DamN` | zrin: use both ;-) |
| 20:49.34 | stew | callee: you can run "lshal --monitor" then plug in the device and probably see what device name its getting now |
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| 20:49.43 | zrin | `DamN`: hmm, ok :) |
| 20:49.48 | callee | the rule is still there and so should be the device, but it isnt, it still comes up as sd?1 |
| 20:49.49 | gahan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.00 | stew | callee: or run "lshal" or "hal-device" after its plugged in and find the /dev entry |
| 20:50.08 | brainiac|away | did any of you lot read the nox-hand log |
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| 20:50.30 | `DamN` | zrin: you can't screw up anything with this ;-) |
| 20:50.32 | madclicker | how can i tell grep to find $1 that $2 and finaly $3 ? |
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| 20:51.01 | stew | madclicker: grep 1.*2.*3? |
| 20:51.07 | `DamN` | :-) |
| 20:51.08 | zrin | `DamN`: only waste 20 MB HD space, but what is 20 MB nowadays... |
| 20:51.10 | stew | madclicker: do you mean $1 to actually be a variable? |
| 20:51.18 | `DamN` | zrin: yep ;-) |
| 20:51.48 | stew | callee: are you saying that you know now what the device name that its getting assigned and its not the correct one?, likely you got some new rules which are overriding yours |
| 20:51.54 | madclicker | stew, a string |
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| 20:52.12 | stew | madclicker: grep foo.*bar.*baz |
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| 20:52.24 | stew | madclicker: as long as they are all going to be on the same line |
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| 20:52.59 | callee | stew: well, customrule is the first one |
| 20:53.20 | Cruise | anyone know where the kernel headers are by default in deb |
| 20:53.22 | madclicker | stew i need to find lines that have in them "xxxyyy" and continue finding lines wich have "yyyxxxxx" and so forth |
| 20:53.38 | callee | btw, none of the rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ work |
| 20:53.43 | stew | Cruise: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 20:53.49 | callee | none of the files there seem to be read |
| 20:53.50 | Cruise | ty |
| 20:54.13 | stew | callee: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:54.24 | stew | madclicker: i'm not sure i follow |
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| 20:54.50 | callee | 2.6.16.14 i compiled it myself and it worked perfectly yesterday, so i doubt its because of the kernel |
| 20:55.44 | unstable | Where is the gnome setting to have the screen saver never start...in gnome/unstable latest |
| 20:55.50 | callee | i did an apt-get update on that box today, can i find out what it updated? |
| 20:55.59 | callee | i do not remember it all |
| 20:55.59 | madclicker | stew, lets say you have a log file, in there you have times like "Apr 2, 11:20" and than "Apr 2, 16:55" and so forth i need to tell grep to keep searching on one line as oppose to multiple greps for separate times |
| 20:56.02 | thingfish | unstable: look for a slider. |
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| 20:56.31 | stew | callee: you mean upgrade? /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:56.35 | humbolt | how can I access an address book on an win2000 exchange server? |
| 20:56.36 | thingfish | unstable: see where you set the time until it kicks in? Move it all the way to the right. |
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| 20:56.46 | humbolt | via kontakt or evolution |
| 20:56.50 | wily | hi all guys! |
| 20:57.07 | callee | stew: dammit |
| 20:57.19 | callee | the relevant file is on an encrypted partition |
| 20:57.38 | sid | thanks thingfish |
| 20:57.40 | wily | why mi mplayer plugin for firefox doesn't work now?!? |
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| 20:57.53 | wily | anyone have this problem? |
| 20:58.13 | Seb | wily: maybe. Maybe not. That'd depend on your actual problem. |
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| 20:59.11 | wily | after charging video, it don't start and if i click paly appears "stopping" |
| 20:59.11 | wily | play* |
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| 21:00.40 | Cruise | dont suppose anyone know how to fix this apt-get error? |
| 21:01.01 | Cruise | Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 21:01.20 | stew | Cruise: you left another copy of dpkg|apt|aptitude|dselect running |
| 21:01.31 | Cruise | sec ill check |
| 21:01.41 | stew | Cruise: "fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock" should give you the pid |
| 21:01.46 | `DamN` | Cruise: check if this dir exists in system |
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| 21:02.06 | `DamN` | stew: it says that this doesn;t exist |
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| 21:02.36 | Cruise | No such file or directory |
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| 21:03.42 | `DamN` | Cruise: which one ? |
| 21:03.59 | `DamN` | Cruise: check access rights there .. |
| 21:04.07 | Cruise | ./var/lib/apt/lists/lock: No such file or directory |
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| 21:04.19 | AlienX | is there an issue with the US mirrors not being in sync? |
| 21:04.23 | Cruise | im sudo as root atm |
| 21:04.25 | `DamN` | Cruise: and /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 21:04.57 | Cruise | ./var/lib/apt/lists: No such file or directory |
| 21:05.33 | `DamN` | Cruise: ./var/lib/apt/lists ? why not /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 21:06.07 | `DamN` | Cruise: apt-get update ? try to make directory "lists" by hand |
| 21:06.19 | Cruise | sec |
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| 21:06.57 | Cruise | -E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
| 21:07.26 | Cruise | fixed |
| 21:07.28 | Cruise | :) |
| 21:07.28 | `DamN` | Cruise: something completely fucked up your apt dirs .. |
| 21:07.31 | `DamN` | good ;-) |
| 21:07.36 | Cruise | ty |
| 21:07.51 | Rockj | hum, just taking my first reboot after install of Debian Etch. Is it normal to make it halt on "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." |
| 21:07.54 | Rockj | =/ |
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| 21:08.01 | `DamN` | Cruise: btw "ty" sounds in my mother tongue like "you" |
| 21:08.02 | `DamN` | ;-) |
| 21:08.11 | Cruise | lmao |
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| 21:08.47 | Seb | can someone point me at some help on how to add experimental sources to my sid distro, without pulling anything from experimental automatically. Basically from time to time i just wanna be able to say apt-get install package/experimental... |
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| 21:09.50 | nceterval | Recently, using Sid, X has failed to start up with an error about "cannot open device /dev/input/mice" and "no core pointer". I tried /dev/input/mouse0/1/2, what else might my USB wheel mouse be under? |
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| 21:10.17 | stew | nceterval: use /dev/input/mice. is the mousedev module loaded? |
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| 21:10.59 | nceterval | stew: Apparently it was not, can't imagine why. Thank you very much. |
| 21:11.08 | stew | nceterval: add it to /etc/modules |
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| 21:13.00 | pzn | how to read notebook battery status? kernel is debian sid 2.6.16. any file in /proc that I can "cat" and read the batt? |
| 21:13.01 | nceterval | stew: Alright, just did. psmouse was in there before. |
| 21:13.04 | nceterval | Thanks again |
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| 21:13.26 | destr0 | anyone know what w or who uses to query and find out who is logged in. my w isn't returning any results when I run it |
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| 21:13.44 | stew | pzn: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state |
| 21:13.54 | stew | destr0: man w |
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| 21:14.51 | Seb | no one really ? |
| 21:16.12 | Rockj | any reason for why at bootup it wont manage to mount the root file system? even it detects the hda? =/ |
| 21:16.20 | pzn | stew: directory /proc/acpi/battery exists, but no content.... BAT0 does not exist... |
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| 21:16.24 | fabsoft | hi all |
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| 21:16.47 | fabsoft | anyone know a server linked to freenode supporting ssl access ? |
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| 21:17.13 | Slight^ | anyone can say me if is possible insert images in debiandoc documents? |
| 21:18.00 | destr0 | stew: /var/run/utmp doesn't exist on the box. do you have to restart for it to be created? |
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| 21:18.15 | Slight^ | anyone can help me? |
| 21:18.29 | Slight^ | anyone can say me if is possible insert images in debiandoc documents? |
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| 21:20.01 | stew | pzn: modprobe battery |
| 21:20.59 | pzn | stew: I already did it... when I modprobe battery, the directory /proc/acpi/battery is created automatically, but with no content. |
| 21:21.01 | stew | destr0: i think it will be recreated the next time someone logs in |
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| 21:21.39 | stew | pzn: then it sounds like your system doesn't report battery information via acpi |
| 21:21.58 | es0 | destr0, has your machine ever returned the correct info for w? |
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| 21:22.53 | destr0 | es0: at some point I'm guessing yes. I don't think I've ever run w or who on this box before |
| 21:23.12 | Sligh^ | anyone known how insert images in debiandoc documents? |
| 21:23.43 | es0 | destr0. if nothing intentionally changed on your machine, you might want to run checkrootkit. |
| 21:23.49 | pzn | stew: notebook is acer 2304LCi. it came with winXP and reports battery (this proves it has hardware that read batt status)... any hint about how to do it? any other system that is not acpi? |
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| 21:24.08 | Kournikoza | hello, how can i disable DMA for compact flash disks in my kernel? i'm using linux 2.6 ? :| |
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| 21:24.19 | es0 | destr0, does 'last' return anything? |
| 21:24.56 | es0 | Kournikoza. have you looked at hdparm? |
| 21:25.02 | stew | pzn: sorry i've only used laptops that do it with acpi. "/msg dpkg laptops" and find someone with the same laptop |
| 21:25.16 | fabsoft | Kournikoza, hdparm -d0 /yourdevice |
| 21:25.40 | Sligh^ | anyone known how insert images in debiandoc documents? |
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| 21:26.36 | erik_ | hey I'm using debian sarge and pwm1 window manager. Does anyone know how I can set my default terminal to an X terminal instead of a Gnome terminal? |
| 21:26.43 | pzn | stew, thanks for the help! I'm reading the URLs that dpkg laptops told me. |
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| 21:26.58 | shawn_home | Question: how do i build 32bit packages from an amd64 box? |
| 21:27.22 | stew | shawn_home: in a chroot, or use pbuilder |
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| 21:27.39 | shawn_home | got a howto on that? i have both gnu libc 32bit/64bit on the machine |
| 21:27.46 | shawn_home | fakeroot [foo] ? |
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| 21:28.50 | stew | shawn_home: /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/* |
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| 21:29.15 | shawn_home | reading .html in there... |
| 21:29.18 | stew | shawn_home: or use debootstrap to crate a 32-bit chroot; and build pacakges normally in the chroot |
| 21:29.52 | shawn_home | ahh debootstrap |
| 21:29.53 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 21:31.07 | yassine | i added : if [ -d ~/oraddb/bin/ ] ; then PATH=~/oradb/bin/:"${PATH}" fi to the bashrc of the oracle user but for some reason i still get the old path any ideas please ? |
| 21:31.09 | epictetus | erik_: /etc/defaults/x-terminal-emulator or something? |
| 21:31.39 | erik_ | epictetus: let me see if there's something like that. brb |
| 21:31.55 | epictetus | which i think is a symlink to the default terminal emulator |
| 21:32.27 | epictetus | i recommend rxvt personally |
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| 21:34.31 | erik_ | epictetus: nope, nothing related to x in that folder. :\ |
| 21:34.36 | shawn_home | stew: so once i have my 32bit chroot env, then i have to build the package inside the chroot? |
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| 21:34.57 | stew | shawn_home: yes |
| 21:35.09 | zirikili | hi guys... is there a waqy |
| 21:35.23 | shawn_home | stew, really ugly.. indeed |
| 21:35.34 | stew | shawn_home: pbuilder is nicer |
| 21:35.39 | zirikili | hi guys... is there a way to change de default language system after install? |
| 21:35.46 | shawn_home | pbuilder is easier to do? |
| 21:36.25 | Reptilutz | i have database save ( reptila.sql ) how i can backup ? |
| 21:36.28 | Reptilutz | sql |
| 21:36.48 | stew | shawn_home: you can run pdebuild just like you would run debuild, or just pbuilder build /path/to/dsc |
| 21:36.56 | erik_ | epictetus: just installed rxvt to try it out. Very nice. (and low on memory). Still can't set the default though :\ |
| 21:36.59 | callee | i think i fixed it |
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| 21:37.04 | epictetus | hold on let me check |
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| 21:37.58 | erik_ | epictetus: thanks |
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| 21:38.46 | zirikili | how do I change my system error messages to english? |
| 21:38.58 | epictetus | i dunno. |
| 21:39.08 | epictetus | i coulda sworn it was in /etc/default or something. |
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| 21:39.47 | epictetus | maybe it's /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 21:39.48 | stew | zirikili: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:39.58 | pulse00 | hi |
| 21:40.05 | epictetus | it might look for /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator and run that.. try making /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator a symlink to rxvt |
| 21:40.09 | zirikili | stew: thanks |
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| 21:40.25 | shawn_home | stew, im confused, what options do I pass? it seems they are missing |
| 21:40.26 | stew | epictetus: you shouldn't touch that symlink, use update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 21:40.42 | epictetus | stew: ah. |
| 21:40.44 | stew | shawn_home: to do what exactly? |
| 21:40.46 | epictetus | erik_: Do what stew said. |
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| 21:40.55 | epictetus | ahh /etc/alternatives |
| 21:41.01 | shawn_home | stew: to build a package as 32bit only |
| 21:41.07 | shawn_home | i cant find a howto to do this |
| 21:41.24 | pulse00 | i tried to compile a new kernel on the basis of my current configuration. although i've loaded the .conf into menuconfig, i keep getting the command-line config-questions (processor type, etc) during the compilation... is this normal ? |
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| 21:42.43 | pulse00 | the problem is i'm getting questions i don't know what to answer ... :) |
| 21:43.02 | stew | shawn_home: you have to first run pbuilder creaate ; you will need to add debootstrapopts to set the arch to i386 (man pbuilder, man debootstrap) (you also might wish to specify a release (aka sarge/sid)), then run pbuilder build /path/to/.dsc |
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| 21:43.31 | stew | pulse00: why are you compiling a kernel in the first place? did you run make oldconfig? |
| 21:43.43 | shawn_home | looking.. |
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| 21:45.32 | tkup | If I want to build a replica of another box, and i want to preserve the quota as it is on the previous one. would copying the user and group quota files and running quotacheck be all that's required? |
| 21:45.36 | pulse00 | stew: i'm compiling it because i want a low-latency kernel for audio usage. yes, i did run make oldconfig but this keeps also asking me those questions. |
| 21:45.49 | shawn_home | stew: how do I tell pbuilder to make a 32bit chroot, its making a 64bit one |
| 21:45.51 | shawn_home | by default |
| 21:46.24 | stew | pulse00: its normal for make oldconfig to ask you questions about options not answered in the old config |
| 21:46.31 | stew | shawn_home: debootstrapopts |
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| 21:47.26 | shawn_home | --debootstrapopts --arch=i386 |
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| 21:47.57 | pulse00 | stew: do i have to use the "make oldconfig" method if i wanna compile the kernel on the base of the current kernel's settings ? |
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| 21:47.58 | yetr | how can i raid my hdds? |
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| 21:48.01 | yetr | !raid |
| 21:48.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 21:48.25 | yetr | !software raid |
| 21:48.25 | dpkg | methinks software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 21:48.49 | hjubal | hi |
| 21:49.03 | shawn_home | oh got it |
| 21:49.50 | stew | pulse00: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config && make oldconfig |
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| 21:50.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:50.14 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:50.43 | pzn | how to put sarge, etch and sid in sources.list and set priority to install only sarge, unless using "-t" in apt-get. which prio should I put? |
| 21:51.10 | Ronin | trying to break your system pzn ? |
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| 21:51.46 | stew | pzn: don't mix stable with non-stable, use backports if you need newer software on stable, /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:51.56 | pulse00 | stew: issue this command from the src directory ? |
| 21:51.58 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 21:51.58 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 21:52.09 | stew | pulse00: yes |
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| 21:52.36 | pulse00 | so i guess i have to answer the questions... right ? |
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| 21:56.42 | tkup | anybody can answer the quota questions :/ ? |
| 21:56.49 | tkup | question |
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| 21:57.04 | dimir | !ask |
| 21:57.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:57.26 | tkup | dimir: i already asked the question above. |
| 21:57.35 | dimir | huh |
| 21:58.21 | tkup | Reptilutz: If I want to build a replica of another box, and i want to preserve the quota as it is on the previous one. would copying the user and group quota files and running quotacheck be all that's required? |
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| 21:58.35 | tkup | Reptilutz: typo |
| 21:59.09 | tkup | dimir, any idea :) ? |
| 21:59.25 | dimir | tkup: ye, I think that's enough. |
| 21:59.26 | dimir | tkup: teoretically. |
| 21:59.30 | tkup | right |
| 21:59.55 | tkup | I'll give it a shot then since it wouldn't hurt either |
| 22:00.12 | shawn_home | cool |
| 22:00.16 | shawn_home | pbuilder is nice! |
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| 22:01.34 | Vladimir | hi everybody |
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| 22:02.45 | jind | When I use alt f2 to open a run dialog in gnome, and there enter an adress to a directory, it opens up in konqueor. This is not I want. I want it to open up in nautilus instead. Does anybody here know how to fix this? |
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| 22:05.53 | shawn_home | stew: ok so once its done building the debs, I cannot install them outside the chroot since /lib = 64bit while /lib in chroot 32bit? :( |
| 22:06.00 | shawn_home | if so _pain_ |
| 22:06.34 | shawn_home | or is the linker smart enough to try /lib32 if /lib fails? |
| 22:06.37 | stew | shawn_home: yes, if you want to run 32 bit software on a 64 bit install you must run it in a chroot |
| 22:06.44 | shawn_home | gah |
| 22:06.48 | shawn_home | ok that is pain |
| 22:06.53 | stew | shawn_home: afaik. but you should check with #debian-amd64 |
| 22:07.04 | SlayerXP | stew: not true. |
| 22:07.33 | SlayerXP | there's a "linux32" wrapper you can use to run 32 bit programs without a chroot |
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| 22:08.12 | runa_ | hi i have burnt a linux cd with "growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdc=data/ubuntu-5.10-dvd-i386.iso" |
| 22:08.16 | SlayerXP | you'll need at least the ia32-libs package, and perhaps some others. |
| 22:08.18 | runa_ | but i does not work |
| 22:08.24 | runa_ | at boot |
| 22:08.35 | shawn_home | SlayerXP, got those, but how do invoke linux32? |
| 22:08.41 | SlayerXP | runa_: are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 22:08.55 | SlayerXP | shawn_home: "linux32 /path/to/32bit/binary" |
| 22:09.04 | runa_ | debian |
| 22:09.05 | shawn_home | oh im missing 'linux32' |
| 22:09.15 | shawn_home | installing |
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| 22:11.24 | runa_ | is that the right way of doing what i meant doing |
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| 22:14.47 | ansong | I just ran update / upgrade (having already made the xorg transition) and there was an update to xserver-xorg again. the postinstall script warned that it was not updating /etc/X11/X because the file has been customized. the file is binary, is that message correct? |
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| 22:17.33 | bjpwns | How do I get info on the terminal window from a shell? ie. cols/rows? |
| 22:17.53 | tarzeau | bjpwns: using c? |
| 22:18.28 | tarzeau | dpkg colsrows is setupterm((char *)0, 1, (int *)0); x=tgetnum("co"); y=tgetnum("li"); |
| 22:18.29 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 22:19.00 | stew | bjpwns: rezise, and or echo $COLUMNS $LINES |
| 22:19.22 | starfishy | i am trying to get the touchpad of an acer notebook to work with xorg 7.0 |
| 22:19.38 | stew | starfishy: /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 22:19.44 | starfishy | thanks |
| 22:20.12 | Vladi__ | hi, i have subversion + apache2 + mod_pam_auth + samba + winbind they work but using TortouiseSVN to show log of repo i get alot of pam_winbind requests to the log suggesting that its using the auth for every dir and slowing down considerably? Can someone suggest some kind of caching or preventing the login request for each dir |
| 22:20.17 | bjpwns | stew: thanks! what I was looking for! |
| 22:20.36 | bjpwns | tarzeau: hehe wow not what I wanted but... super! And thanks. |
| 22:21.40 | starfishy | this is all stuff for xfree86, not xorg |
| 22:21.49 | starfishy | and it worked with xorg <6.9 |
| 22:22.09 | starfishy | something must have changed since then that caused it to stop working |
| 22:22.43 | starfishy | could anyone please message me the synaptics section from his xorg 7 setup? |
| 22:23.02 | starfishy | btw, the notebook is an Acer Travelmate 4000 |
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| 22:26.03 | stew | starfishy: i've been using the same synaptics configuration for xfree, xorg6 and xorg7 without problems, so the xfree stuff should still apply |
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| 22:31.33 | starfishy | weird |
| 22:31.45 | starfishy | i tried just about everything from my original config to the current one |
| 22:31.49 | starfishy | nothing seems to work |
| 22:32.23 | starfishy | stew, which driver does your configuration use? |
| 22:32.32 | starfishy | driver and protocol |
| 22:33.05 | stew | starfishy: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead |
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| 22:33.49 | stew | starfishy: note that that config is a bit oddball in that it forces the touchpad to only send button 4-7 events, no clicking or movement |
| 22:34.26 | LunarC | I just made a java package using make-jpkg, but even after updating the local repository, it won't show up in aptitude. I think it might be because it's not identified as being part of etch. How can I check what dist a .deb package is made for? |
| 22:34.58 | starfishy | thanks |
| 22:35.10 | chealer | LunarC: .debs are not really made for a specific release. just install your .deb |
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| 22:35.18 | philips | LunarC: make-jpkg just creates .deb files in the current directory |
| 22:35.21 | starfishy | well, i just want to get basic functionality, configuration comes later |
| 22:35.35 | philips | LunarC: use dpkg -i SOME_JAVA_PACKAGE.deb to install it |
| 22:35.54 | LunarC | will that register properly with aptitude so I can uninstall it later? |
| 22:36.45 | philips | LunarC: you should be able to use aptitude to remove it. But if all else fails just use dpkg to remove it. |
| 22:37.33 | LunarC | oh wait, I realized what's wrong |
| 22:37.48 | philips | ? |
| 22:37.56 | LunarC | I commented out most of my sources back when I did my dist-upgrade |
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| 22:38.03 | LunarC | I forgot to uncomment it >.< |
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| 22:38.55 | lws_ | I can't seem to install stable from etch installer |
| 22:39.05 | lws_ | even when I tell it to install stable it gives errors |
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| 22:39.07 | philips | LunarC: packages made with make-jpkg still won't show up in aptitude even w/ sources.list entries. |
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| 22:39.17 | nvz | lws_: obviously |
| 22:39.18 | LunarC | this one seems to |
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| 22:39.26 | stew | lws_: why use the etch installer instead of the sarge installer? |
| 22:39.30 | lws_ | nvz: Obviously what? It asks if you want to install stable. |
| 22:39.41 | LunarC | philips, I have a local repository set up in ~root/debs/ |
| 22:39.54 | philips | LunarC: ah, that is different :-) |
| 22:39.56 | lws_ | stew: because I'm trying to install on a box with no ps/2 ports and the sarge installer doesn't work with USB keyboards at all. |
| 22:40.01 | nvz | lws_: obviously its in development |
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| 22:40.12 | LunarC | it wasn't showing up before because /root/debs was commented out of my sources.list =) |
| 22:40.13 | sid | lws_: usb keyboards work great for me with sarge |
| 22:40.18 | lws_ | nvz: Aaabviously. |
| 22:40.20 | stew | lws_: i've used the sarge installer with a usb keyboard |
| 22:40.22 | lws_ | sid: In the installer? |
| 22:40.27 | sid | lws_: yes |
| 22:40.29 | nvz | indeed USB works in sarge |
| 22:40.33 | lws_ | Well it doesn't work on the SunFire X2100. |
| 22:40.39 | lws_ | And that's what is important to me right now. |
| 22:40.58 | stew | lws_: have you asked in #debian-sparc? |
| 22:41.04 | lws_ | It's not a sparc machine |
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| 22:43.10 | lws_ | stew: Any ideas then? I asked earlier in here and was told to try the etch installer |
| 22:43.20 | lws_ | it works okay as far as the keyboard goes |
| 22:43.24 | lws_ | but I can't get it to install stable |
| 22:44.31 | stew | lws_: if you are using an etch daily, try beta2 or vice-versa |
| 22:44.49 | stew | lws_: does the sparc installer come with a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel, or just a 2.6 kernel or what? |
| 22:44.55 | stew | lws_: i mean the stable installer? |
| 22:45.00 | nvz | both |
| 22:45.05 | lws_ | stew: 2.4 i believe |
| 22:45.15 | stew | lws_: did you try the 2.6 installer? |
| 22:45.18 | lws_ | nvz: It boots a 2.4 kernel though. |
| 22:45.23 | starfishy | apparently my touchpad creates zero X events |
| 22:45.26 | stew | lws_: hit f1 at the boot: prompt |
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| 22:45.33 | lws_ | stew: what 2.6 installer? Where's the option to choose? |
| 22:45.34 | nvz | lws_: type linux26 |
| 22:45.43 | lws_ | hmm |
| 22:45.46 | nvz | lws_: instead of booting the null command line |
| 22:45.50 | stew | lws_: hit f1 at the boot prompt, or f3 for a list of kernels iirc |
| 22:45.57 | lws_ | I'll try it |
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| 22:48.38 | chealer | lws_ / stew: I don't thin installing Sarge using Etch d-i is currently supported (if it ever becomes possible) |
| 22:52.21 | sid | What is a good wiki...something simple/lightweight/secure...(for a lug website) |
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| 22:54.14 | philips | sid: Moin Moin and PMWiki are my favorite wikis |
| 22:55.09 | philips | sid: my LUG uses mediawiki which is quite good too http://lug.oregonstate.edu/wiki/Main_Page |
| 22:55.26 | sid | philips: yea..but that's kind of bloated |
| 22:55.33 | yosarrian | For those of you that run Fetchmail, do you run Fetchmail as a cronjob or as a daemon? |
| 22:55.43 | sid | philips: This is for little stuff...like when the meeting is..what the talk is etc. |
| 22:55.47 | sid | mediawiki is large |
| 22:55.52 | philips | sid: no, twiki is bloated |
| 22:55.54 | philips | :-) |
| 22:56.05 | starfishy | it appears that the touchpad in the notebook is broken |
| 22:56.16 | starfishy | not even a live CD can see it |
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| 22:56.58 | philips | sid: most of the really simple wiki's get spammed to death within a few weeks so keep that in mind |
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| 22:57.43 | mpalmq | hey does anybody on here have an ancestry account? |
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| 22:59.51 | mpalmq | hi |
| 22:59.56 | brando1 | Are there any tools to create a debian deb spec file (Or other config files) for rebuilding debian packages from an rpm, or srpm? |
| 23:00.00 | mpalmq | anyone???? |
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| 23:00.07 | mpalmq | yes there are |
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| 23:01.38 | lws_ | stew: the 2.6 thing worked |
| 23:01.46 | philips | brando1: |
| 23:01.49 | philips | brando1: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/alien.html |
| 23:02.53 | jplibre | with LVM, are there problems with having physical volumes that are different sizes, or does it not matter like it does with RAID? |
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| 23:03.12 | jplibre | Oops, I mean for striping purposes |
| 23:03.13 | brando1 | .. I should have clarified, I don't care as much as producing a .deb package as getting the framework so I can rebuild. basically I have a file in rpm package that I make but I don't want to create a .deb package from scratch |
| 23:03.58 | Tchiak | I recently installed windows(unavoidable), now i cant seem to get back into linux.. i used gag but it says it can't find something and it won't let me into linux. Is there a way i can get back into debian? |
| 23:04.13 | brando1 | I'm looking for a tool that will take a .rpm or .srpm and give me config files that will let me build a debian package. |
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| 23:11.05 | mvfeinstein | is there a way to run slocate for all files with a specific extention and then automatically copy them to a new direction? |
| 23:11.06 | Sebulba02 | why not use find? |
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| 23:11.55 | stew | mvfeinstein: slocate whatever | grep extension$ | xargs cp --target-directory /destinsation |
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| 23:12.40 | stew | mvfeinstein: or if you mean all fies with a given extension, slocate .ext | grep .ext$ | xargs cp --target-directory /destination |
| 23:13.08 | stew | i guess that really should be grep \.ext$ |
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| 23:17.03 | mvfeinstein | stew that worked really well but what does 'grep \.ext$' do? |
| 23:17.53 | nzerox | hey, whats the best way to install java sdk on eth please? |
| 23:17.59 | stew | mvfeinstein: you could have a file named "blah.extblah" and slocate .ext would find that file, so "grep \.ext$" filters the results to only contain files which have .ext at the end (the $ matches the end of a line) |
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| 23:18.12 | Kournikoza | help, i'm trying to boot from a flash disk on which linux has been installed... however there is a problem when booting the system it gives DriveReady SeekComplete .. error.. it's all about DMA.. could it be that my compactflash doenst support DMA? are there compact flash cards with dma and with i won't get any errors on boot? also what i need to know is, when i mount the compact flash it hangs about 10 minutes when its mounted to a d |
| 23:18.12 | stew | nzerox: on eth? |
| 23:18.30 | stew | oh etch? |
| 23:18.33 | stew | nzerox: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 23:18.58 | mvfeinstein | stew ok that makes sense but why the '\' at the front? wouldn't '*' do the same thing? |
| 23:19.27 | nzerox | stew, thanks alot |
| 23:19.45 | stew | mvfeinstein: . is a special character in a regex that matches anythihg, so \. escapes it to actually match a '.' |
| 23:20.15 | nzerox | stew, thats for the jre, i would like to install the sdk |
| 23:20.45 | hjubal | bye |
| 23:21.03 | stew | nzerox: are you looking for a free one or a non-free one? |
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| 23:21.41 | stew | mvfeinstein: * is a special character in regex that means match zero or more of the proceding symbol, not match any string like in shell globbing, so '*.ext' is not a valid regex |
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| 23:21.57 | nzerox | stew, um, probably the sun java sdk, so non-free i guess? |
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| 23:22.07 | stew | nzerox: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 23:22.24 | nzerox | hmmz, looks like i already have a javac, does that mean i dont need it?? |
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| 23:23.31 | bjohnson | got debian running on an old laptop and need a second 9 pin serial null modem connection. can I connect a usb to 9 pin cable to a mouse usb to ps2 adapter and use that? |
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| 23:23.58 | stew | nzerox: what does "readlink -f $(which javac)" output? |
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| 23:24.50 | nzerox | /usr/lib/kaffe/pthreads/bin/javac |
| 23:25.19 | nzerox | i want to learn java, will this be ok for me to use ? |
| 23:26.44 | stew | nzerox: so you have a free jdk. it will work for most stuff but not all. |
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| 23:28.16 | stew | nzerox: the biggest different perhaps is that the free java implementations don't have browser plugins |
| 23:28.36 | nzerox | stew, would i need to remove kaffe before i installed the free jdk before i install the nonfree one ? |
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| 23:28.47 | Wharf | Hi there. |
| 23:29.00 | Wharf | Anyone here know a way i can update my apt mirrors? |
| 23:29.11 | stew | nzerox: no, its managed with the alternatives system, you can have multiple installed, and "update-alternatives --config java" to switch between them |
| 23:29.11 | Wharf | I been trying to do apt-get install autoconf |
| 23:29.16 | Wharf | it never finds it |
| 23:29.25 | Wharf | I have no mirrors for a good server |
| 23:29.31 | nzerox | stew, i have the non-free jre installed also, so i'm covered for the plugin bit, if i wanted to install the jdk, would i need to remove the jre ? |
| 23:29.35 | Wharf | and dunno how to add a server to my apt list |
| 23:29.37 | bjohnson | how about .. will a cardbus pcmcia / usb adapter work in a non-cardbus pcmcia port? |
| 23:29.51 | nzerox | stew, sorry to be a pain, but i know nothing about java, lol |
| 23:30.43 | stew | nzerox: no you can have a non-free jre and a non-free jdk and still switch between them with update-alternatives, you can control which jdk you are using independently of the jre with "update-alternatives --config javac" as well |
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| 23:33.18 | dasunt | Does anyone know where I could find a debian woody 2.2 installation iso for sparc? |
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| 23:34.33 | Vladi__ | does anyone know how i can cache pam_auth requests? |
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| 23:35.27 | nzerox | stew, thanks alot, much appricated |
| 23:36.23 | mvfeinstein | I am using gnome on debian etch, is there any app (preferably GUI) that I can use to remap my mouse buttons? |
| 23:36.30 | ssb | dasunt, woody *or* 2.2? (which is potato, btw) |
| 23:36.40 | EmleyMoor | I can no longer run a local install of PyYIMt - it appears something has changed in python to make my init script give "No such file or directory" - this is on testing |
| 23:36.44 | dasunt | ssb: Woody, but 2.2 kernel. |
| 23:37.04 | stew | mvfeinstein: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#lefthandmouse |
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| 23:39.03 | mvfeinstein | stew I have a mx700 with like 7 buttons and a scroll wheel and I am trying to find a way to customize how it works. ie when i am browsing i can navigate forward and back with the mouse |
| 23:39.33 | stew | mvfeinstein: browsing with what? |
| 23:39.36 | Wharf | Anyone here know a way i can update my apt mirrors? |
| 23:39.40 | Wharf | I have no mirrors for a good server |
| 23:39.47 | stew | Wharf: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 23:39.47 | Wharf | and dunno how to add a server to my apt list |
| 23:40.09 | stew | Wharf: are you running stable? |
| 23:40.13 | mvfeinstein | stew firefox |
| 23:40.56 | stew | mvfeinstein: about:config then filter on mousewheel, you'll have to google to find out what to put where to do what |
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| 23:41.52 | mah | Gn8 |
| 23:42.03 | Wharf | stew, yea |
| 23:42.04 | moprilo | how do i change the date in debian?.. (ntp) |
| 23:42.11 | Wharf | the command apt-setup aitn working |
| 23:42.12 | Wharf | :( |
| 23:42.29 | stew | Wharf: you have to be more specific than "aitn working" |
| 23:42.40 | nzerox | hey have you guys got www.madcarters.com linked somewhere? its a geat site |
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| 23:44.09 | lurker99 | !ntp |
| 23:44.09 | dpkg | somebody said ntp was the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 23:44.10 | Stevie | At the sound of the ping the time will be Thu May 11 19:44:10 2006 *ping* |
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| 23:50.56 | nerdpaulista | hi suckers |
| 23:51.25 | nerdpaulista | oi |
| 23:51.26 | nerdpaulista | hi |
| 23:51.28 | nerdpaulista | hello |
| 23:51.29 | nerdpaulista | olá |
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| 23:51.32 | nerdpaulista | holá |
| 23:52.06 | nerdpaulista | algúem |
| 23:52.12 | nerdpaulista | algúem ai |
| 23:52.21 | nerdpaulista | somepeople here? |
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| 23:52.34 | nerdpaulista | somepeople there? |
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| 23:53.19 | andy_ | lo each |
| 23:53.31 | nerdpaulista | what |
| 23:53.41 | andy_ | im looking to install debain to give it a go |
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| 23:54.16 | andy_ | ive noticed 9 ISO images to download |
| 23:54.21 | thingfish | nerdpaulista: voce quer #debian-br |
| 23:54.23 | andy_ | do i need them all?? |
| 23:54.29 | dvs | andy_: no |
| 23:54.31 | dasunt | No, just grab the netinstall image. |
| 23:54.44 | dasunt | (Assuming you don't mind grabbing only the packages you want to install from the net) |
| 23:54.46 | andy_ | dvs: is there a friendly dvd version |
| 23:54.53 | dvs | andy_: friendly? |
| 23:55.09 | thingfish | there are sarge dvd images. |
| 23:55.14 | andy_ | yeah dvds tend to have tonnes of cool stff on thm |
| 23:55.24 | dvs | andy_: There are 2 dvd images |
| 23:55.25 | thingfish | and debian-installer is real easy to use - *real* easy. |
| 23:55.39 | dvs | I should say 2-disc DVD images |
| 23:55.46 | thingfish | andy_: the dvds don't have any more than the 14 cds do. |
| 23:55.59 | nerdpaulista | affff |
| 23:56.04 | dvs | bless you |
| 23:56.08 | andy_ | dvs: do i need both dvd images? |
| 23:56.13 | dvs | andy_: no |
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| 23:56.55 | andy_ | dvs: do i want sarge dvd 1? |
| 23:57.08 | dvs | andy_: Yes. Look at the architechture too |
| 23:57.17 | thingfish | no point in getting the dvd image when you could do a netinstall instead. |
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| 23:58.06 | andy_ | im on amd64 but i think i'll stick to i586 if poss as its ore supported from my experience of othr distros |
| 23:58.21 | andy_ | or would you suggest getting the amd64 one? |
| 23:58.25 | thingfish | andy_: there is a #debian-amd64 |
| 23:59.34 | andy_ | im chasing max suport, would you reccommend amd64 or i586? |
| 23:59.58 | magyar | anyone seen gravity? |
