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| 00:01.03 | magyar | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 00:01.09 | magyar | hmm? |
| 00:01.12 | stew | magyar: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 00:01.23 | dvs | andy_: 586 is fine |
| 00:01.41 | magyar | thank you stew |
| 00:01.47 | dvs | andy_: amd64 isn't officially supported for sarge |
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| 00:02.00 | andy_ | ok cool sweer |
| 00:02.07 | andy_ | sweet |
| 00:03.08 | thingfish | I haven't seen gravity in a couple of days. |
| 00:03.23 | dvs | thingfish: he was here the last time i was here |
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| 00:04.04 | thingfish | dvs: maybe he came in late...I tend to leave early. |
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| 00:04.30 | thingfish | anyway I'm sure he'll be around again sooner or later. |
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| 00:05.20 | Rouke___ | hoya, anybody experience with ipsec openswan on debian testing with a xp client connecting? ipsec part is ok, but then it keeps giving me the error "received and ignored informational message" |
| 00:05.51 | andy_ | can someone give me a torrent to the first dvd please? |
| 00:06.30 | Arafangion | andy_: Doing and offline installatino, eh? |
| 00:06.37 | Rouke___ | no nat t |
| 00:06.49 | stew | andy_: cdimage.debian.org |
| 00:07.07 | andy_ | swet move stew ill check it out |
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| 00:07.26 | andy_ | offline install all the way for me |
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| 00:10.03 | Arafangion | andy_: Why offline? |
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| 00:10.37 | Arafangion | andy_: You will be using very little of the DVD images you download, a waste of a download imho. |
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| 00:10.44 | Rouke___ | nobody? |
| 00:10.48 | andy_ | i like to have a proper media then install |
| 00:10.53 | andy_ | then update |
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| 00:11.17 | navaburo | i prefer the netinst cd |
| 00:11.34 | tam | does anyone know why i would receive this warning after having the external hdd working earlier on before my reboot:tam@spud:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/big |
| 00:11.38 | tam | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 00:11.38 | navaburo | its the fastest method imho |
| 00:11.53 | tam | dmesg shows the hdd as being inserted |
| 00:11.55 | Arafangion | andy_: Regardless of how it installs, it setups a minimal system. This minimal system is able to install the remainder of the packages, and it simply does not care that you're using a DVD or downloading. |
| 00:11.57 | navaburo | tam, you should use -t auto when you can |
| 00:12.11 | tam | navaburo: i'll go try that right now |
| 00:12.22 | tam | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 00:12.24 | andy_ | im on a broadcom wireless network card |
| 00:12.25 | Arafangion | andy_: And what do you mean by "proper"? What makes DVD's "proper"? |
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| 00:12.40 | andy_ | broadcom and linux == annoying |
| 00:12.46 | Arafangion | andy_: Ok, I'll agree with that. |
| 00:12.47 | tam | navaburo: this is what i'm getting from dmesg when i plug the (usb2) hdd in: [4295590.979000] usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 00:12.49 | navaburo | tam, its not going to help here nessisarily, but I avoid specifyting a type if i can to prevent error |
| 00:13.07 | andy_ | thats why i install so i can use ndiswraper |
| 00:13.08 | navaburo | tam, honestly I dont use removable media, sory |
| 00:13.13 | tam | navaburo: yup, its strange. |
| 00:13.38 | cureless | tam: what's your problem, no device? |
| 00:13.43 | tam | navaburo: no probs man, but another fail means 1 less try to curing the problem |
| 00:13.46 | andy_ | dvd is "proper" as you can install the system from a dvd then update |
| 00:13.47 | Arafangion | andy_: btw, when you purchase Debian CD's, you often only get the first 3 CD's, because that is all nearly everybody needs. |
| 00:14.01 | tam | cureless: its saying no device, but in dmesg it shows up perfectly. it was working earlier on today |
| 00:14.02 | andy_ | just seems more sensible to me |
| 00:14.08 | cureless | tam: are you loading all the needed modules? |
| 00:14.23 | cureless | tam: does dmesg give you a device name? |
| 00:14.25 | Arafangion | andy_: Well, you do have the potential for not being able to get network access, so it does make sense. |
| 00:14.33 | stew | andy_: in that case, all of the methods are proper |
| 00:14.35 | sid | echo "Alias /wiki/ \"$SHARE/htdocs/\"" >>/etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 00:14.36 | sid | echo "ScriptAlias /mywiki \"$WIKILOCATION/$INSTANCE/cgi-bin/moin.cgi\"" >>/etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 00:14.46 | sid | If I add these lines...do I need to restart apache..or just reload it? |
| 00:14.50 | navaburo | tam, once you get it working check out submount |
| 00:14.54 | tam | cureless: this is what dmesg shows: [4295590.979000] usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 00:14.56 | sid | My guide I'm reading online says to restart...but is that necessary? |
| 00:15.02 | tam | navaburo: will do. |
| 00:15.15 | andy_ | all methods are "proper" but i prefr to work within an installed environment |
| 00:15.16 | tam | cureless: another thing to note is i have usb-storage module loaded |
| 00:15.20 | cureless | tam: that doesn't mean the device was created. Do you have the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 00:15.23 | andy_ | i can see your point tho |
| 00:15.45 | tam | cureless: yup, just mentioned that above :) |
| 00:15.50 | cafuego | andy_: If it's a 4318, use ndiswrapper. if it's a 4306, the latest kernels have a driver, all you need is firmware. |
| 00:15.51 | cureless | tam: so I assume if you unplug and plug it back you get the same. Also, what if you unload and load the module again |
| 00:15.56 | Arafangion | andy_: I prefer to work in a minimal environment :) |
| 00:16.21 | cureless | tam: also, have you connected other usb devices in the meanwhile? The "name" for what you're connecting might have changed and might now bw sdb or sdc. |
| 00:16.48 | tam | cureless: i have no other usb devices |
| 00:16.51 | Arafangion | andy_: But I know debian very well, and just don't want surprises :) |
| 00:17.05 | tam | cureless: i'll try sdx right now.. |
| 00:17.32 | stew | tam: do you have hal installed? |
| 00:17.33 | Arafangion | andy_: I couldn't believe my eyes when mandrake kept changing my settings back, after about 5 seconds every time I tried to change my folder permissions! |
| 00:18.17 | stew | tam: or does the parition show up when you run "fdisk -l" |
| 00:18.38 | andy_ | ive used mandriva for a while but wanted to try other distro's |
| 00:18.53 | tam | stew: already tried fdisk -l, nothing shows for that |
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| 00:19.19 | tam | stew: hal, not sure wot that is but i'll do a search |
| 00:19.29 | magyar | "gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 2D230C5F" from where does "2D230C5F" comes from? |
| 00:19.42 | stew | tam: "dpkg -l hal" does that spit out a line starting with ii? |
| 00:19.44 | andy_ | btw im on an acer 5020 (turion 1.6ghz 1gb ram 100gb hdd, ati x700 128mb) |
| 00:19.45 | dvs | magyar: the key itself |
| 00:19.59 | stew | tam: do you have the usb_storage and sd_mod modules loaded? |
| 00:20.03 | tam | stew: i do have hal installed, i'll go ready up on it |
| 00:20.13 | tam | stew: usb_storage is loaded, i'll go check sd_mod |
| 00:20.21 | magyar | dvs does that a constatnt number for debian? |
| 00:20.31 | Arafangion | andy_: Ahh, well the program I had issue with in Mandrake was 'msec', the daemon that "automatically" manages your security for you. |
| 00:20.34 | magyar | id that? |
| 00:20.35 | dvs | magyar: as long as they don |
| 00:20.39 | dvs | 't issue another key |
| 00:20.47 | stew | tam: if you have hal, you can run "hal-device" | less and search for block.device to see where hal thinks the drive is |
| 00:20.54 | stew | err "hal-device | less" |
| 00:21.03 | andy_ | Arafangion, i like the quotes round "automatically" :D |
| 00:21.12 | Arafangion | andy_: Heh. |
| 00:21.59 | tam | stew: will do.. |
| 00:22.00 | magyar | dvs: how does a joe like me knows what key it is?. i try to cat the ziyi-2006 file an import but that doesnt help :( |
| 00:22.21 | Arafangion | andy_: Ubuntu is the only "desktop" distro that I've liked, though I was put of by the dapper upgrade being so unstable, and I dislike the kernels updating all the time automatically. |
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| 00:22.38 | tam | stew: it's not showing it as *anywhere* |
| 00:22.49 | mulligan | is xdm still broken in sid? |
| 00:22.54 | dvs | magyar: ziyi-2006? |
| 00:23.06 | stew | tam: do you find the device in there though? did you make sure sd_mod is loaded? |
| 00:23.09 | andy_ | im not so sure of its lack of root account |
| 00:23.10 | mulligan | or has it something to do with my setup (or whatever) |
| 00:23.20 | Arafangion | andy_: Just add it. |
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| 00:23.24 | Arafangion | andy_: It still has root. |
| 00:23.35 | magyar | dvs: ziyi_key_2006.asc from http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:23.36 | andy_ | yeah true |
| 00:23.41 | Arafangion | andy_: The sudo approach is better imho. |
| 00:23.47 | andy_ | im getting debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 00:23.52 | andy_ | dd |
| 00:23.54 | andy_ | dvd |
| 00:24.14 | tam | stew: scsi_mod 139496 4 sd_mod,usb_storage,sr_mod,sbp2 |
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| 00:24.25 | dvs | magyar: That's encoded in base64, you won't be able to decipher that by looking at it. |
| 00:24.26 | andy_ | i prefer su to root, do stuf, su back to user altho sudo does the same |
| 00:24.54 | blondie | su back to user? |
| 00:25.01 | Arafangion | andy_: Anyway, good luck - Debian has it's own quirks, but once you learn them, you often don't get happy with any other system (imho). I'd better get busy. |
| 00:25.04 | stew | tam: do you have udev installed? which version? |
| 00:25.08 | marco13185 | g'night |
| 00:25.13 | magyar | dvs: "cat ziyi_key_2006.asc | gpg --import" from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 00:25.35 | dvs | magyar: then "gpg --list-keys" |
| 00:25.57 | andy_ | will have a go |
| 00:26.04 | andy_ | if i like it i'll keep it |
| 00:26.04 | tam | stew: udev is installed udevinfo, version 079 |
| 00:26.27 | andy_ | im also downloading ubuntu dvd too |
| 00:26.41 | magyar | dvs: "gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration /home/user/.gnupg/gpg.conf" |
| 00:26.44 | magyar | hmmm? |
| 00:26.57 | dvs | magyar: permission on gpg.conf is "wrong" |
| 00:26.58 | stew | tam: that's pretty old, you haven't updated in a while, huh? |
| 00:27.13 | andy_ | also getting ubuntu-5.10-dvd-amd64.iso |
| 00:27.17 | Arafangion | andy_: imho, the biggest advantages of Debian are it's stability, reliability and the fact that upgrades are so dang reliable. It's easy for a Debian (Stable) system to just run for years with minimal maintanance. |
| 00:27.25 | Arafangion | andy_: Cya :) |
| 00:27.34 | magyar | dvs: so what is the easy way to tackle this problem? |
| 00:27.34 | andy_ | cya Arafangion |
| 00:27.39 | stew | tam: you are running dapper? |
| 00:27.47 | tam | stew: yeah |
| 00:27.53 | stew | tam: ugh, wrong channel |
| 00:28.01 | dvs | magyar: make the file accessible to only you |
| 00:28.06 | stew | tam: go to #ubuntu for ubuntu support please |
| 00:28.11 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 00:28.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:28.21 | tam | stew: isn't dapper under the debian's base? |
| 00:28.26 | stew | not at all |
| 00:28.38 | shogunx | tam at best one could call it a fork. |
| 00:28.50 | andy_ | right im off cos ive had some wine |
| 00:28.57 | stew | i'm suprised ubuntu's udev is so far behind etch's |
| 00:28.57 | andy_ | thanks for the adice guys |
| 00:28.57 | magyar | dvs: i download the file to my home directory, than sudo and cat/import but i get the wrong ownership ofcourse |
| 00:29.09 | andy_ | tasty wine | andy's brain |
| 00:29.21 | stew | andy_: you should use a glass, not a pipe |
| 00:29.38 | tam | stew: sorry for confusing you man, i actually did think that debian was part of a ubuntu branch |
| 00:29.43 | magyar | dvs:woudnt that be easy to "apt-gpg update" and it gets the new key? |
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| 00:29.53 | andy_ | pip it direct to my brain |
| 00:29.58 | andy_ | pipe |
| 00:30.02 | andy_ | hehe |
| 00:30.13 | magyar | its a bit of a retarded approch |
| 00:30.35 | magyar | bleh |
| 00:30.49 | dvs | magyar: I don't know why they did that |
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| 00:31.11 | magyar | thats it am off to bsd land |
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| 00:31.24 | dvs | !pity magyar |
| 00:31.24 | dpkg | I pity da fool magyar! |
| 00:31.30 | magyar | eheh |
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| 00:32.24 | nvz | magyar: have fun in bsd land |
| 00:32.52 | nvz | I never used bsd long enough to know what I missed, but I like linux enough not to care |
| 00:33.05 | vipoet | hehe |
| 00:33.14 | nvz | ;) |
| 00:33.16 | vipoet | i used it for 2 years |
| 00:33.18 | vipoet | and missed linux |
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| 00:33.41 | nvz | I used it for maybe 2 hours and said screw it the debian 2.2 cds are done gonna check this out |
| 00:33.48 | vipoet | amen |
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| 00:35.54 | nvz | the installer turned me away before I got interested |
| 00:36.22 | nvz | I installed freeBSD like 14 times in a row before I realized you just take the cd out and restart. it never said you are done, reboot... |
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| 00:37.06 | Arafangion | What are the BSD's like? I'm thinking of giving them a go on an old boxy I have lying around. |
| 00:37.19 | nvz | then the weird kernel configuration with like 11 sections each containing 3 or fewer options all overly generalized.. baffled the hell out of me |
| 00:37.28 | yome | Stupid question: how do I install Emacs? |
| 00:37.38 | mrzoom | i have a pentium iii motherboard that doesn't support disks over 32gb... what can i do? i need to access this hard disk and the debian installation that can't regonize the disk (only the first 32 gb). i boot from cd |
| 00:37.39 | Arafangion | yome: apt-get install vim |
| 00:37.43 | nvz | heh |
| 00:37.44 | yome | Arafangion, nice try :) |
| 00:37.44 | vipoet | hehe |
| 00:37.46 | dvs | !lart Arafangion |
| 00:37.53 | Arafangion | Damn |
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| 00:37.59 | mrzoom | yome: apt-get install emacs, i think. apt-cache search emacs will tell you what the package name is |
| 00:37.59 | vipoet | ctrl-C-e ctrl-c-X |
| 00:38.00 | seb- | any got hostap to work in debian? |
| 00:38.03 | yome | Stupider question: how do I figure which of "stable" or "testing" I just installed. |
| 00:38.08 | seb- | Prism2.5 wifi driver |
| 00:38.17 | yome | The installation was so easy, I didn't even notice which I was installing. |
| 00:38.23 | mrzoom | yome: edit the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:38.29 | mrzoom | yome: replace "stable" for "testing" |
| 00:38.30 | seb- | yome: if you don't know then prolly stable |
| 00:38.49 | yome | OK. I've never used Debian before, but it looks pretty nice so far. |
| 00:38.57 | Arafangion | yome: I advise staying with stable, and backporting the specific updates as you _need_ them. |
| 00:39.27 | seb- | Arafangion: can you advise me why hostap stopped working when i upgraded to testing? |
| 00:39.28 | Arafangion | yome: Stable is nice in that it just works, guaranteed. (Though testing isn't that bad - I'm from the days when testing never even got security updates) |
| 00:39.39 | plugwash | yeah stick with stable unless you've got a good reason for moving forward |
| 00:40.17 | plugwash | also note that if you wan't security updates for testing you either have to watch them manually or stay on the upgrade treadmill |
| 00:40.19 | Arafangion | seb-: I haven't a clue, I don't know what hostap is, but I'm suspecting that you also updated the kernel, or that hostap in testing requires a new kernel. |
| 00:40.20 | mrzoom | can someone please help me with my disk problem? |
| 00:40.33 | Arafangion | plugwash: that's changing. |
| 00:40.42 | nzerox | can someone help me to setup a group to associate users and udev devices to please? |
| 00:40.47 | Arafangion | plugwash: testing is getting (or about to get) security updates the same way stable does. |
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| 00:41.08 | plugwash | Arafangion source? |
| 00:41.16 | magyar | o yeah |
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| 00:41.39 | Arafangion | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/241 |
| 00:41.40 | magyar | anyone heard of "transcode" |
| 00:41.41 | magyar | ? |
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| 00:42.06 | jcole | magyar: that's a new one |
| 00:42.13 | plugwash | Arafangion have you actually read the secure-testing site?! |
| 00:42.27 | whacko | i need to install gnome2.12, but when i do apt-get install gnome, i get some dependencies, can somebdy help me |
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| 00:42.42 | magyar | "new one" |
| 00:42.46 | plugwash | all they provide is a path for rapidly getting updates that are blocked from entering testing for some reason to testing users |
| 00:42.54 | plugwash | you still need to stay on the upgrade treadmill |
| 00:42.57 | jcole | whacko: man sources.list |
| 00:43.10 | magyar | transcode "new one" |
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| 00:43.34 | magyar | newone.vob |
| 00:43.36 | Arafangion | plugwash: Hmm, in any case, stable's security also requires continual updating. |
| 00:43.44 | whacko | jcole, i have added enough links in sources.list |
| 00:43.59 | mrzoom | men roligt att man får hjälp nånstans... |
| 00:44.14 | nvz | vipoet: no, chatzilla sucks I am using it cause I am on someone else's windows box |
| 00:44.36 | Jymmm | I lil bit of ignorance here, but can a ubuntu kernel be used on sarge by chance (unique scenario)? |
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| 00:44.46 | jcole | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:45.01 | plugwash | Arafangion yes but stable itself doesn't change much |
| 00:45.09 | jcole | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.10 | Arafangion | plugwash: Indeed, why I like it :) |
| 00:45.16 | magyar | need to convert my collection of pr0n from divx to vob, any suggestions? |
| 00:45.30 | jcole | magyar: mencoder |
| 00:45.38 | Jymmm | jcole ok, thanks. |
| 00:45.38 | chealer | whacko: what do you mean by "i get some dependencies"? |
| 00:45.52 | nvz | dpkg, tell magyar -about mplayer |
| 00:45.56 | nvz | dpkg, tell magyar -about marillat |
| 00:46.03 | plugwash | Arafangion and oldstable typically gets security support for a while after a new stable release comes out too |
| 00:46.44 | plugwash | so you have a year (iirc) in which to schedule your upgrade from one stable release to the next before you lose security updates |
| 00:47.21 | magyar | jcole: hmm, sid amd64 port spews a bunch of "unmet dependencies:" |
| 00:47.23 | nvz | vipoet: I use Irssi 0.8.9 on my box. but I just moved which I tend to do a lot and I left my box behind for now and havent got internet at my new place |
| 00:47.31 | k-god | plugwash: At least. In practice 12-18 months, though only the 12 is generally advertised. |
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| 00:47.53 | magyar | nvz: roger, thanX |
| 00:48.10 | nvz | I think I might just forget about the internet and tv and get a cat.. heh |
| 00:48.29 | magyar | nvz: get a parrot |
| 00:48.39 | magyar | they are so much fun |
| 00:48.48 | nvz | yeah right. I would never have a caged bird |
| 00:48.55 | thingfish | what kind do you have, magyar? |
| 00:48.59 | dvs | free the birds! |
| 00:49.00 | nvz | or allow one in my house |
| 00:49.05 | magyar | nvz: who said caged |
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| 00:49.25 | nvz | birds are not house pets |
| 00:49.35 | nvz | I got birds outside |
| 00:49.35 | magyar | thingfish: my budy got a african grey |
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| 00:49.42 | nvz | they came free with the place |
| 00:49.43 | plugwash | k-god well with etch schuled to come out in december i can't imagine we will be getting much more than a year of sarge security support |
| 00:49.47 | whacko | chealer, it says "the following pks have unmet dependencies" the pkgs r g-desktop env, gnome-office, gdm-themes and 2 more |
| 00:49.48 | thingfish | magyar: cool. |
| 00:49.48 | jcole | magyar: amd64 mencoder may only run 32bit... anyone here using mplayer/mencoder+amd64? does the w32codec stuff work? |
| 00:50.05 | thingfish | although I'm kind of with nvz. |
| 00:50.13 | thingfish | they belong in the wilds. |
| 00:50.14 | k-god | plugwash: Track record's generally 12 < support < 18. |
| 00:50.27 | stew | plugwash: way to be an optimist! |
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| 00:50.54 | plugwash | wasn't december what they said in thier announcements? |
| 00:51.08 | magyar | thingfish: he is the sickest bird i've seen, within 10 minutes in the office, he was making me nuts with the telephone immitation :) |
| 00:51.10 | leaveone | is there a way to defrag your hard drive in debian? |
| 00:51.23 | stew | plugwash: yes, but there were also similar announcements for sarge to be released in june 2004, which they missed by a year |
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| 00:51.56 | plugwash | yeah :( |
| 00:52.18 | plugwash | i wonder if the release team will have got thier act together this time round |
| 00:52.30 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:52.31 | chealer | stew: on the other hand, ajt abdicated as RM during sarge's release cycle |
| 00:52.40 | thingfish | magyar: they're highly, highly intelligent. |
| 00:52.40 | Ronin | wouldnt say its not having thier act together plugwash |
| 00:52.45 | nvz | man I gotta get me some of those sirloin steaks they just made a killer steak sandwitch |
| 00:52.52 | k-god | leaveone: There's very little reason to. |
| 00:53.02 | thingfish | mmm sirloin |
| 00:53.05 | k-god | leaveone: That said, there's an e2fs defrag. Very seldom used. |
| 00:53.10 | magyar | thingfish: like a little human almost and they get jelous big time |
| 00:53.19 | chealer | whacko: which release do you use? please paste the actual output if possible |
| 00:53.28 | thingfish | I like to pan fry sirloin, preferably in a very hot cast iron skillet. |
| 00:53.29 | leaveone | k-god, where can i get that? |
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| 00:53.36 | plugwash | iirc debians big issue is an obsession with "release critical" bugs on relatively minor packages |
| 00:53.39 | k-god | leaveone: man aptitude |
| 00:53.40 | notnotjotham | is there a way to print what flags this kernel was compiled with? |
| 00:53.50 | plugwash | ubuntus main/universe split seems far more sensible to me |
| 00:53.51 | chealer | plugwash: since when? |
| 00:53.58 | chealer | plugwash: why? |
| 00:53.58 | leaveone | oh ok.. yeah i know how to use apt.. i just wasnt sure if it was in the db |
| 00:54.02 | Ronin | plugwash: define minor package too |
| 00:54.03 | nvz | thingfish: yeah well I am pretty much gonna be pan frying everything for awhile until I go buy a toaster oven and a microwave |
| 00:54.03 | k-god | notnotjotham: /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 00:54.09 | johnsu01 | notnotjotham: less /boot/config |
| 00:54.11 | leaveone | k-god, thanks |
| 00:54.20 | notnotjotham | 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 00:54.22 | notnotjotham | /bin/sh: line 1: /boot/config-2.6.7-1-386: Permission denied |
| 00:54.24 | notnotjotham | woops |
| 00:54.33 | k-god | notnotjotham: Read it. |
| 00:54.38 | k-god | notnotjotham: ... don't execute it. |
| 00:54.46 | notnotjotham | yeah |
| 00:55.05 | k-god | leaveone: Why would you think your drive needs defragging? What's fsck or dumpe2fs say? |
| 00:55.11 | plugwash | chealer because they have this "we can't release until rc bug count is very near zero" and iirc they include every package in that how are you supposed to get the RC bug count to 0 when new bugs are being reported all the time? |
| 00:55.13 | notnotjotham | cheers guys |
| 00:55.13 | stew | plugwash: when the RC bugs are mostly gone from the important packages, the RC-buggy non-important packages start getting removed very quickly |
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| 00:55.38 | nvz | I just thought about how important it is I get me one of them damn things.. if I dont have a microwave that means anything I cook or reheat is gonna not only dirty my dishes but my pots/pans as well.. that will get old real fast. |
| 00:55.39 | plugwash | ok then so why did sarge take so long then? |
| 00:55.48 | leaveone | k-god, oh, well i defrag computers all the time at work so i was just wondering if there is a way to do it in linux |
| 00:56.14 | magyar | mplayer is busted on sid? |
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| 00:56.33 | magyar | bugger |
| 00:56.38 | whacko | chealer, http://pastebin.ca/55242 the output is here, i use debian 3.1 sarge |
| 00:57.06 | leaveone | k-god, i just ran that command and it told me to not run it while the drives are mounted |
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| 00:57.11 | chealer | plugwash: by closing bugs faster than they're opened? but releases don't wait until the official RC bugs count reaches 0 |
| 00:57.11 | astronut | anyone know off the top of their head what chars aren't allowed in fat32 filenames? |
| 00:57.16 | dazedyugo | hello all! |
| 00:57.43 | k-god | leaveone: 1. Don't. |
| 00:57.48 | k-god | leaveone: 2. Don't do it mounted. |
| 00:57.51 | chealer | whacko: Debian 3.1 ships GNOME 2.8, not 2.12 |
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| 00:58.17 | leaveone | k-god, so how do i run it at boot? |
| 00:58.22 | whacko | chealer, cant i update |
| 00:58.37 | k-god | leaveone: You do not need to. |
| 00:58.38 | Ronin | leaveone: why do you want to defrag anyhow? |
| 00:58.44 | chealer | whacko: upgrade GNOME only? |
| 00:58.46 | k-god | leaveone: Linux filesystems don't fragment the way Windows does. |
| 00:58.53 | dazedyugo | i have one of these new 64-bit xeons, and i was wondering if there was anything special i had to indicate in the configuration so that it compiles correctly for x86_64. I selected the Opteron64 type in menuconfig, but when it finishes compiling, the bzImage ends up in the arch/i386/boot folder, and not in arch/x86_64/boot ... so i'm wondering if this is right or not |
| 00:59.00 | nvz | astronut: I can find out for NTFS anyhow I am on a windows box now all I gotta do is put something it doesnt like into the shell and read the error |
| 00:59.14 | leaveone | well im not sure if it really needed it but i was curious as to how to check |
| 00:59.26 | k-god | leaveone: If your FS *is* getting fragmented, it's generally because there's insufficient slack space (5-10% is usually sufficient). Normally files will defrag as they're created / copied. |
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| 00:59.38 | whacko | chealer, i need gnome only now, but if its not possible i ll upgrade fully |
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| 00:59.46 | k-god | leaveone: The solution is to create a large FS and copy the old one to new. |
| 00:59.57 | Tchiak | Reiserfs baby |
| 01:00.19 | leaveone | k-god, oh ok.. well i have an 80gb drive that is all linux and its nowhere near full.. so im probably fine |
| 01:00.34 | k-god | leaveone: fsck will give a fragmentation percentage when it runs, in verbose mod. As will IIRC dumpe2fs |
| 01:00.47 | whacko | chealer, can u tell me how to upgrade to gnome2.12? |
| 01:00.49 | k-god | leaveone: Typically you'll see 5-15% fragmentation. |
| 01:00.56 | nvz | astronut: / \ : * ? " < > | is what it says in a tooltip when I create a new folder and type / |
| 01:01.14 | chealer | whacko: do you mean doing that without upgrading Etch? |
| 01:01.22 | nvz | astronut: but thats for NTFS on WinXP so its probably really similar |
| 01:01.23 | chealer | whacko: s/Etch/to Etch |
| 01:01.23 | leaveone | k-god, ok so if i wanted to run fsck when the drives arent mounted.. how would i do that? |
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| 01:02.34 | k-god | That's when you want to run it. |
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| 01:02.48 | k-god | fsck on mounted drives is not a good idea, though you can specify a check-only. |
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| 01:03.27 | leaveone | but i dont know how to unmount the drives im using.. then i wont be able to run fsck anyways.. right? |
| 01:03.37 | whacko | chealer, the thing is i want gnome2.12 now. Is it possible now. how to conv my gnome2.8? |
| 01:03.45 | k-god | leaveone: They're fsck'd automatically at boot when necessary. |
| 01:03.54 | leaveone | oh ok |
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| 01:04.35 | astronut | nvz: thanks |
| 01:05.16 | plugwash | on another subject i noticed fairly recently that the console login option had dissapeared from kdm |
| 01:05.16 | k-god | leaveone: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg03496.html |
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| 01:05.35 | chealer | whacko: yes, it's possible. what I'm telling you is that GNOME 2.12 is not in Sarge, so getting it on Sarge is probably hard. if you don't mind upgrading to Etch, then it should be simple to get it. |
| 01:05.39 | k-god | leaveone: ... in 8 years of running Linux I think I've used defrage2fs once, and that was just to see how it worked. |
| 01:05.46 | k-god | leaveone: Utterly unnecessary. |
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| 01:06.35 | leaveone | k-god, haha oh ok wow.. thats prolly why i never heard of it |
| 01:06.39 | whacko | chealer, thanx. i ll then upgrade to etch and then try installing gnome |
| 01:07.03 | chealer | magyar: mplayer is not in Debian yet |
| 01:07.21 | js_ | 'yet' |
| 01:07.30 | js_ | it isn't for license reasons |
| 01:07.43 | magyar | chealer: got it |
| 01:07.46 | stew | its been in the NEW queue for a few years now |
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| 01:08.44 | nvz | from what I understan if its stripped into pieces and only shipped with dependencies on dfsg codecs it should be legit |
| 01:09.14 | chealer | stew: several years, really? hehe |
| 01:09.24 | magyar | gpg key for www.debian-multimedia.org ? |
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| 01:11.53 | ootput | hi guys, besides not having a user in the audio group, are there other reasons why root can have sound output, whereas a user cannot? |
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| 01:12.19 | nvz | ootput: having the user in the audio group doesnt have anything to do with it if the permissions are wrong |
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| 01:13.20 | ootput | nvz: the permissions are restricted by default? |
| 01:13.56 | magyar | sweet |
| 01:13.57 | nvz | if your device is /dev/dsp and its -rw-rw---- root audio then thats fine |
| 01:14.17 | nvz | but if its not properly owned and the permissions arent right then what group you are in makes no difference |
| 01:15.29 | nvz | also you have to verify group membership with groups or id as well as the permissions |
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| 01:16.08 | ootput | nvz: and if /dev/dsp doesn't exist? |
| 01:16.40 | initech | ootput: then your drivers aren't working |
| 01:17.21 | ootput | initech: despite root succeeding in getting audio? |
| 01:17.35 | nvz | ootput: who knows could be anything. you need to give details I dont know what kernel you have, if you are using oss, alsa, esd, arts, udev, devfs..etc I know nothing about your hardware or software and your questions cannot be answered properly without context |
| 01:17.41 | initech | ootput: are you using alsa? or oss? |
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| 01:18.07 | ootput | nvz: that's fine mate |
| 01:18.10 | ootput | initech: alsa |
| 01:18.15 | nvz | any number of variables could completly change the whole scenario |
| 01:18.16 | initech | ootput: the alsa links are in /dev/snd |
| 01:18.27 | initech | ootput: /dev/dsp is only for oss |
| 01:19.10 | ootput | the contents of /dev/dsp are all group (audio) read-writeable |
| 01:19.19 | ootput | err, dev/snd |
| 01:19.38 | initech | ootput: the users mixer is muted? |
| 01:20.38 | ootput | initech: no |
| 01:20.39 | initech | ootput: run alsamixer as that user ... |
| 01:21.17 | ootput | initech: that's strange isn't it? if the alsamixer reveals the devices (i have two soundcards,) why wouldn't it be possible for the user to use those devices? |
| 01:21.44 | initech | ootput: do you get a permissions error, or just no sound, and the app is acting as if it is playing it? |
| 01:22.04 | ootput | initech: hang on, i'll test with a variety of apps |
| 01:22.25 | initech | ootput: do in the console, to make sure it isn't some desktoppy type crap doing this to you |
| 01:22.35 | ootput | initech: yep |
| 01:22.54 | ootput | initech: i'm using ion3, so none of those DE servers are interfering |
| 01:23.01 | ootput | initech: with mpg321, ALSA snd_pcm_open error: No such file or directory |
| 01:23.12 | ootput | Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 01:23.27 | initech | ootput: mpg321 sounds like it is using oss |
| 01:23.35 | initech | wait no sorry |
| 01:23.46 | ootput | likewise, with mplayer |
| 01:23.52 | ootput | alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1246:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p failed: No such file or directory |
| 01:24.00 | initech | ootput: strace it and see what file it's trying to open |
| 01:24.11 | initech | strace -e open <command> |
| 01:24.26 | ootput | that's wht mplayer revealed |
| 01:24.30 | initech | ootput: ok |
| 01:24.47 | initech | ootput: I assume mplayer is correct that it does not exist? |
| 01:24.59 | ootput | yeh |
| 01:25.19 | initech | ootput: do you have more than one sound device or something? |
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| 01:25.56 | ootput | initech: i have two, but .asoundrc refer to them both |
| 01:26.05 | ootput | .asoundrc in /root/ and ~/ |
| 01:26.15 | ootput | root can use either device fine |
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| 01:28.12 | ootput | initech: ah, i figured it out |
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| 01:29.00 | initech | ? |
| 01:29.08 | stoned | lol |
| 01:29.12 | stoned | sorry, here is something funny |
| 01:29.14 | stoned | for you guys |
| 01:29.14 | ootput | this is a chroot install |
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| 01:29.31 | ootput | i've copied most of the config files from the main box to it |
| 01:29.35 | ootput | with the exception of one |
| 01:29.38 | stoned | some people told me that my opinion is wrong |
| 01:29.38 | stoned | lol |
| 01:29.44 | stoned | how are opinions wrong lol |
| 01:29.49 | stoned | man I am still cracking up |
| 01:29.51 | nvz | stoned: its just because you are stoned |
| 01:29.52 | stoned | anyway |
| 01:29.55 | nvz | :P |
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| 01:29.56 | stoned | heh |
| 01:30.06 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.09 | initech | nvz: i am stoned and i don't think that was too funny |
| 01:30.13 | ootput | how silly :/ |
| 01:30.21 | stoned | initech, I feel bad for you |
| 01:30.25 | stoned | you missed out on a good luagh |
| 01:30.26 | stoned | :) |
| 01:30.35 | stoned | there will be more |
| 01:30.38 | stoned | guitar time |
| 01:30.38 | nvz | initech: I dont know what you all are talking about but I am not stoned or in the mood for a laugh I'd be perfectly happy sleeping right now |
| 01:30.45 | stoned | lol |
| 01:30.47 | stoned | then sleep |
| 01:31.01 | nvz | all I can do is look at my guitar until I move over to my house this weekend |
| 01:31.04 | magyar | looking for a howto on "divxtodvd" |
| 01:31.05 | initech | nvz: so ditch work and go to sleep |
| 01:31.07 | stoned | you play too? |
| 01:31.14 | nvz | I try |
| 01:31.16 | stoned | what kinda guitar do you have? |
| 01:31.27 | ootput | stoned: hm, say you voiced your opinion regarding a certain girl's cleavage |
| 01:31.28 | magyar | i got it |
| 01:31.31 | ootput | stoned: she'd slap you |
| 01:31.35 | stoned | nvz, you want to hear my attempt at playing |
| 01:31.41 | ootput | stoned: wouldn't that mean your opinion was wrong? |
| 01:31.54 | stoned | ootput, consequences are of no concern here. Opinions cannot be wrong |
| 01:31.57 | ootput | you opinion that she'd have liked to hear what you have said |
| 01:32.21 | nvz | _my_ guitar that I left in dallas and havent got back yet is a Takamine G-Series acoustic-electric (red) but I got this little "Indian" acoustic or whatever the hell it is my friend let me have |
| 01:32.22 | stoned | in your example you have a lot of presuppotitions |
| 01:32.24 | stoned | its not clean |
| 01:32.29 | stoned | try another analogy |
| 01:32.42 | ootput | how about your example? |
| 01:32.53 | ootput | why'd they claim that your opninion was wrong? |
| 01:33.10 | Stevie | If you voice your opinion about a girl's cleavage and she slaps you, then you probably have the right opinion |
| 01:33.10 | stoned | ootput, opinions are not wrong, can never be wrong, because they are opinions, NOT statements, and NOT facts |
| 01:33.21 | ootput | Stevie: :) |
| 01:33.33 | Stevie | well, they're statements, but they're not assertions |
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| 01:33.34 | initech | err, ideally opinions are a perspective based on facts |
| 01:34.05 | nvz | no you see you would get slapped for not keeping your opinions to yourself not because they are wrong |
| 01:34.19 | stoned | yes but the synthesis of reality is what differes between everyone |
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| 01:34.25 | stoned | not everyone percieves a fact the same |
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| 01:34.44 | Stevie | how did I mistype #debian as #philosophy? |
| 01:34.52 | vipoet | haha |
| 01:34.53 | swim | folks is debian stable right now: 31r2 ? |
| 01:34.55 | stoned | I dunno, ootput is the culprit |
| 01:34.59 | stoned | !smite ootput |
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| 01:35.10 | raf256 | !smite stoned |
| 01:35.25 | ootput | well, you're stoned, i thought i'd fuck with your head a little more |
| 01:35.30 | stoned | its cool man |
| 01:35.34 | stoned | I'm just kiddin with ya |
| 01:35.39 | raf256 | don't drink and drive |
| 01:35.41 | raf256 | smoke and fly |
| 01:35.42 | stoned | no |
| 01:35.52 | stoned | I tell people to you konw, have a few drinks and drive home safely |
| 01:35.52 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:36.07 | vipoet | fmoke and sly |
| 01:36.09 | nvz | drugs are bad, mmmkay? |
| 01:36.21 | raf256 | nvz: talk to mr. hand |
| 01:36.22 | initech | raf256: the USA is crazy for drugs! |
| 01:36.32 | stoned | nvz, next time you got sickness, don't take meds |
| 01:36.41 | stoned | they are bad |
| 01:36.42 | nvz | admitting you have a problem is the first step |
| 01:36.51 | nvz | and I have been sick for days and I havent been taking medicine |
| 01:36.58 | raf256 | initech: not only for drugs. 1. why not join the army and murd^H bring "peace" 2. oh no, boobies!11111 burn in hell!!111 |
| 01:37.09 | nvz | every time I bend over to screw deck boards I got a snot stringer hangin |
| 01:37.22 | nvz | I feel like shit |
| 01:37.25 | vipoet | berd flew |
| 01:37.26 | vipoet | !@# |
| 01:37.29 | vipoet | hehe |
| 01:37.35 | raf256 | my dog have bird flu! |
| 01:37.50 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.51 | vipoet | it has a little pecker? |
| 01:37.52 | ootput | they've got noseplugs for that sort of thing |
| 01:37.56 | vipoet | 0h0h |
| 01:38.02 | ootput | but a bit of tissue should suffice |
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| 01:38.44 | rudenstam | is it discourage to change the multsect on the system drive with hdparm while it's busy (importing mysql) |
| 01:39.03 | nvz | yeah well you dont always have time to be blowing your nose when you are working |
| 01:39.19 | Gnea | rudenstam: it's not a good idea to change *anything* on a drive that's mounted with hdparm |
| 01:39.29 | nvz | I have certain medicines for cold symptoms I will take if I cant fight it off within a reasonable ammount of time |
| 01:39.31 | ootput | as a plug, i mean |
| 01:39.34 | Gnea | rudenstam: umount it, hdparm it, mount it |
| 01:39.44 | rudenstam | Gnea: uhmm.. system drive |
| 01:39.50 | Gnea | rudenstam: umount it, hdparm it, mount it. |
| 01:39.51 | rudenstam | root fs is on it |
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| 01:39.56 | rudenstam | liveboot ? |
| 01:39.56 | Gnea | yes. |
| 01:39.59 | initech | rudenstam: then frigin reboot it |
| 01:40.04 | nvz | I was offered Advil Cold & Sinus the other day but I looked at the ingredients and didnt take it |
| 01:40.06 | Gnea | what's a liveboot? |
| 01:40.11 | rudenstam | from cd |
| 01:40.17 | rudenstam | (or dvd) |
| 01:40.26 | Gnea | that won't do ya any good, edit your initscripts |
| 01:40.35 | Ronin | nvz: you could read and understand the ingrediendt? that alone is impressive :) |
| 01:40.41 | Overand | heh |
| 01:40.45 | Overand | know your drugs! |
| 01:40.51 | Gnea | Overand: that's right. |
| 01:40.53 | rudenstam | ahh.. true.. happen to what file hdparameters are set in ? |
| 01:40.54 | vipoet | dxmwhat? |
| 01:40.54 | dvs | sounds like a game show |
| 01:40.59 | initech | rudenstam: just edit hdparm.conf and reboot and be done with it. or bring to single user and do it. |
| 01:41.07 | rudenstam | okifoki |
| 01:41.09 | Gnea | rudenstam: what initech said |
| 01:41.12 | rudenstam | +f+d |
| 01:41.16 | rudenstam | thnx |
| 01:41.24 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:41.34 | myboxen | evening |
| 01:41.38 | Gnea | it is |
| 01:41.54 | nvz | Ronin: only had two active drugs and one was Ibuprophen and the other was Psuedophedodrine or something like that |
| 01:42.13 | nvz | neither was gonna do anything I wanted and who knows what this shit does you dont want |
| 01:42.53 | nvz | you fight one thing with another and soon you just teach it to resist that or you create something altogether different |
| 01:43.13 | nvz | if I can beat it without drugs I evolve not the virus |
| 01:43.17 | rudenstam | like the bird flue :) |
| 01:43.43 | ootput | hmm, my apt- updates are fetching diffindex' |
| 01:43.48 | nvz | I dont play when it comes to evolving. I push my evolution to the limits |
| 01:44.00 | ootput | is this a fairly recent change? |
| 01:44.00 | nvz | within my power that is |
| 01:44.14 | yetr | what's "PREEMPT" mean? |
| 01:44.25 | ootput | before shit happens |
| 01:44.47 | yetr | is it how my kernel compiled? |
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| 01:44.53 | nvz | yetr: kenel contexT? as in Preemptive Multitasking? |
| 01:44.57 | initech | yetr: it's a kernel scheduler suitable for desktop use |
| 01:44.58 | ootput | yetr: kernel option |
| 01:45.02 | yetr | yeah |
| 01:45.03 | yetr | kernel |
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| 01:45.23 | Arafangion | yetr: If I pre-empt your decision, I react before you make your decision. |
| 01:45.37 | yetr | so that means? |
| 01:45.44 | yetr | im talkin about kernel here |
| 01:45.49 | nvz | Preemptive Multitasking is different than Co-operative Multitasking in that it periodically checks on other things instead of waiting for the co-op tasks to finish |
| 01:45.51 | ootput | before shit happens, as i said earlier |
| 01:46.01 | Arafangion | yetr: With the kernel, it's relating to how it maintains the scheduler. |
| 01:46.01 | ootput | yetr: yeah, get a google hit |
| 01:46.10 | yetr | ic |
| 01:46.13 | ootput | yetr: which kernel are you using? |
| 01:46.17 | yetr | 2.6.16.14 |
| 01:46.22 | hector | l |
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| 01:46.36 | Arafangion | yetr: It's hard to explain, but basically, it takes away control from portions of the kernel if they are taking too long to perform their task. |
| 01:47.01 | yetr | is it how my kernel compiled or something? |
| 01:47.01 | Arafangion | yetr: Though it's not quite that bad ;) |
| 01:47.26 | Arafangion | yetr: It affectgs how your kernel is compiled, like all other settings do, but this particular option affects how your kernel _runs_. |
| 01:47.27 | yetr | coz before i compiled my kernel it asked me about Desktop-use, server-use, etc |
| 01:47.41 | nvz | oh well I need to go to sleep so my body can work on evolving and fighting off this cold |
| 01:47.43 | Arafangion | yetr: For desktop use, I would prefer a pre-emptive kernel. |
| 01:47.54 | Arafangion | nvz: Drinking pleanty of cranberry juice? |
| 01:48.05 | nvz | pfft |
| 01:48.06 | yetr | but i think my shit is set to server-use |
| 01:48.21 | nvz | juice is for geezers :P |
| 01:48.33 | vipoet | lol |
| 01:48.38 | nvz | heh |
| 01:48.47 | vipoet | get better nvz |
| 01:48.48 | Arafangion | nvz: Fine, be my guest and find a ton of fresh cranberries to eat, then. :) |
| 01:48.50 | nvz | they cant eat fruit so they suck it through a straw |
| 01:48.56 | vipoet | haha |
| 01:48.59 | nvz | heh |
| 01:49.26 | Arafangion | yetr: I wouldn't worry too much. |
| 01:49.53 | Arafangion | yetr: However you setup a modern kernel is fast enough for most users - except, perhaps, gamers. |
| 01:50.13 | Arafangion | yetr: But gamers shouldn't get Linux imho, they're better off with a console imho. |
| 01:50.28 | yetr | i see |
| 01:50.29 | FliesLikeABrick | where can I find an install CD for the testing version of amd64? I've been poking around the debian site and mirrors and can't seem to find it, though I know it exists because it is mentioned |
| 01:50.42 | FliesLikeABrick | the torrent isn't seeded well enough for me to get it from there |
| 01:51.04 | Arafangion | yetr: Gamers would notice the difference becauase a non-premptible kernel is more likely to have short pauses. |
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| 01:51.17 | yetr | lol |
| 01:51.21 | yetr | i don't do game on linux |
| 01:51.24 | yetr | even on windows |
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| 01:51.51 | yetr | so preempt is for slow computers? |
| 01:52.03 | Arafangion | yetr: No. preempt is about responsiveness. |
| 01:52.06 | sortadi_laptop | HI THERE |
| 01:52.22 | sortadi_laptop | I AM HAVING TROUBLES TRYING TO MOUNT THE USB PENDRIVE |
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| 01:52.25 | yetr | like what |
| 01:52.36 | sortadi_laptop | LIKE IT WON'T MOUNT |
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| 01:52.42 | sortadi_laptop | NO MATTER WHAT I DO |
| 01:52.44 | Kinks | sortadi_laptop: we're having trouble swallowing your caps, turn them off. |
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| 01:52.55 | sortadi_laptop | ahhh ok |
| 01:53.00 | ekkikrist | :/ |
| 01:53.01 | Kinks | sortadi_laptop: thanks =) |
| 01:53.09 | Arafangion | sortadi_laptop: Thought you were just an irritating kid ;) |
| 01:53.12 | yetr | He added, "it has been demonstrated that preempt improves the average latency. But not worst-case, because those paths tend to be under spinlock." |
| 01:53.37 | sortadi_laptop | so what's debian anyway? |
| 01:53.43 | sortadi_laptop | a brand? |
| 01:53.49 | sortadi_laptop | parfume brand? |
| 01:53.49 | Arafangion | sortadi_laptop: Essentially, yes. |
| 01:54.01 | Gnea | !tell sortadi_laptop about newbie-guide |
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| 01:54.22 | sortadi_laptop | debian sounds like some sort of hugo boss parfume |
| 01:54.30 | sortadi_laptop | you know Debian... by Hugo |
| 01:54.40 | puntoUY | hello.. i've installed the apache2-mpm-worker package.. i i want now install the php for use phph pages.. wath package need? |
| 01:54.41 | Gnea | sortadi_laptop: nope: www.debian.org |
| 01:54.47 | Arafangion | sortadi_laptop: What point are you trying to make? |
| 01:55.04 | Gnea | !debian |
| 01:55.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:55.10 | sortadi_laptop | i am running Kukuma by the way |
| 01:55.19 | Gnea | kukuma? |
| 01:55.20 | sortadi_laptop | that debian derivate |
| 01:55.20 | Arafangion | sortadi_laptop: Why do we care? |
| 01:55.30 | rudenstam | there's no lack of those |
| 01:55.32 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 01:55.32 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 01:55.35 | sortadi_laptop | the southafrican debian derivate |
| 01:55.41 | sortadi_laptop | kukuma |
| 01:55.43 | sortadi_laptop | or such |
| 01:55.46 | sortadi_laptop | i dunno |
| 01:55.47 | FliesLikeABrick | sortadi_laptop it sounds like you know what debian is if you're running a distro that you know is based off of it |
| 01:55.58 | Arafangion | sortadi_laptop: kubuntu? |
| 01:56.00 | sortadi_laptop | ooooh it is ubuntu |
| 01:56.03 | sortadi_laptop | sorry there |
| 01:56.16 | puntoUY | hello.. i've installed the apache2-mpm-worker package.. i i want now install the php for use phph pages.. wath package need? |
| 01:56.20 | Gnea | sortadi_laptop: ok, then you want to visit #ubuntu and #kukuma |
| 01:56.33 | sortadi_laptop | Ubuntu is an African Word meaning "I could not configure debian" |
| 01:56.34 | Arafangion | sortadi_laptop: Well, in that case you should go to the channels for humans - #ubuntu and #kubuntu |
| 01:56.57 | sortadi_laptop | i am no human |
| 01:57.02 | sortadi_laptop | i am a bot |
| 01:57.05 | sortadi_laptop | a kukuma bot |
| 01:57.16 | Gnea | !troll sortadi_laptop |
| 01:57.18 | Kinks | sortadi_laptop: you're beginning to sound more like a troll =( |
| 01:57.31 | sortadi_laptop | yeah a kukuma troll |
| 01:57.46 | sortadi_laptop | umba guamba |
| 01:57.52 | sortadi_laptop | mumbutu |
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| 01:58.03 | cwood | Question, albeit to do with non-free. Has anybody here successfully worked around the latest Flash 7 text bug in Debian? I haven't yet found a working solution. |
| 01:58.05 | Gnea | sortadi_laptop: do you wish to be removed forcefully, or on your own accord? |
| 01:58.11 | tabris|away | !anyone |
| 01:58.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:58.13 | sortadi_laptop | i want a kaliki kaliki |
| 01:58.27 | FliesLikeABrick | will !troll eventually get him kicked ? |
| 01:58.31 | home_ | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default loca: No such file or directory, anyone can help me fixing that? |
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| 01:58.51 | Gnea | FliesLikeABrick: no, he's doing a fine job of doing it himself |
| 01:58.56 | EdLin | !ops sortadi_laptop is a lame troll |
| 01:58.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: sortadi_laptop is a lame troll |
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| 01:59.16 | sortadi_laptop | dpkg-reconfigure kukuma |
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| 01:59.27 | yetr | # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set |
| 01:59.33 | Gnea | !ops sortadi_laptop is offtopic, typing in all caps at times, and is being a general nuisance |
| 01:59.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: sortadi_laptop is offtopic, typing in all caps at times, and is being a general nuisance |
| 01:59.34 | FliesLikeABrick | !ops seconded that sortadi_laptop is a troll |
| 01:59.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: seconded that sortadi_laptop is a troll |
| 01:59.35 | yetr | it wasn't set |
| 01:59.42 | Arafangion | yetr: Quit worrying about it. |
| 01:59.43 | yetr | how come it enabled it by default? |
| 01:59.47 | yetr | why? |
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| 01:59.52 | cwood | ... I thought that was phrased adequately. Nevertheless, take two: Having googled and checked newsgroups, and not having found the answer, how does one make text display in flash7 in Debian? |
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| 02:00.00 | yetr | preempt enabled is 5% slower |
| 02:00.01 | yetr | lol |
| 02:00.02 | FliesLikeABrick | thank you Rez |
| 02:00.03 | Arafangion | yetr: You're making it hard for yourself :) |
| 02:00.12 | Arafangion | yetr: Trust me, you won't notice 5% |
| 02:00.19 | home_ | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default loca: No such file or directory, anyone can help me fixing that? |
| 02:00.37 | yetr | i just noticed it earlier, when i did uname -a, i was like PREEMPT?!?!wTF/!?? |
| 02:00.40 | Arafangion | yetr: Though, people generally says that preempt enabled _appears_ faster, because user feedback is improved. |
| 02:00.49 | yetr | i see |
| 02:00.51 | Arafangion | yetr: Which can be important. |
| 02:01.15 | yetr | so keep it enabled or recompile and set it to "no"? |
| 02:01.21 | Arafangion | yetr: Keep it enabled. |
| 02:01.27 | justnulling2 | after kernel updated menu.1st is recreaed with wrong partion info (/dev/hda and not /deb/hde) how can i fix it so will not need to run replace all after each kernel update? |
| 02:01.31 | Gnea | yetr: preempt has some useful features, depending on what you're using the system for |
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| 02:01.48 | daniel5134 | i have a usb drive that i want to use with debian but i don't know how |
| 02:01.49 | yetr | Gnea: im using it as a server, desktop-use and photo editing |
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| 02:02.10 | Gnea | yetr: what kernel version? |
| 02:02.18 | yetr | 2.6.16.14 |
| 02:02.20 | cwood | daniel: It may help you to learn about usb mass storage devices, or install hotplug. |
| 02:02.57 | daniel5134 | cwood, i installed hotplug already |
| 02:03.04 | Gnea | yetr: right on. just reconfigure with make menuconfig and check the 'help' section which describes each preempt level and use the one for desktop usage |
| 02:03.15 | Gnea | yetr: recompile and reboot, you'll be homefree |
| 02:03.17 | cwood | daniel5134: There's also a lsusb which may be of use. |
| 02:03.19 | home_ | Hey |
| 02:03.27 | home_ | exit good debian for AMD64? |
| 02:03.33 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 02:03.33 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 02:03.48 | vin` | justnulling2: look at #kopt line in menu.lst |
| 02:03.50 | daniel5134 | ok i see my device when i do lsusb |
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| 02:04.05 | daniel5134 | how do i mount it? |
| 02:04.19 | cwood | daniel5134: It's just a matter of what your system sets your device as. It may be something like /dev/sd0, check your kernel log. Then it's just a standard mount command to a temp dir. |
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| 02:04.55 | justnulling2 | vin: thanks |
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| 02:05.33 | LunarC | is there a way to restart the sound system without also restarting x? |
| 02:05.45 | LunarC | My volumes often seem to get messed up |
| 02:05.46 | vipoet | what window manager? |
| 02:05.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@200.84.19.86] by Rez |
| 02:05.50 | LunarC | KDE |
| 02:05.54 | vipoet | sorry; |
| 02:06.53 | LunarC | like, my KDE sounds are still okay, but things like XMMS are really quiet |
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| 02:07.13 | LunarC | so when I turn my speakers high enough to hear it, my KDE sounds blow me away |
| 02:07.15 | vipoet | tryi chaning xmm's config |
| 02:07.20 | LunarC | it's an intermittent problem =( |
| 02:07.32 | LunarC | it's not just xmms, it's pretty much everything |
| 02:07.36 | vipoet | ah |
| 02:07.41 | yetr | ill think ill stick with PREEMPT |
| 02:07.42 | yetr | :) |
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| 02:07.48 | gt_ | Hey! is anybody there?. Hay alguien por ahi |
| 02:07.48 | vipoet | i dont wotk much with kde |
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| 02:07.52 | vipoet | im very sorry |
| 02:07.55 | yetr | it is its default |
| 02:08.04 | LunarC | hmm, mplayer is giving me audio errors, maybe that's a hint |
| 02:08.14 | LunarC | I'll go look into that |
| 02:08.19 | vipoet | kde has probally changed alot in the past few years |
| 02:08.22 | vipoet | imma check it out |
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| 02:09.14 | chealer | gt_: yes |
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| 02:09.44 | LunarC | I guess I'll just log out and in again. . . >.< |
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| 02:10.04 | daniel5134 | cwood, how can i see what my system sets my device as? |
| 02:10.20 | daniel5134 | cwood, or my kernel log for that matter... |
| 02:10.52 | gt_ | Hello!. i've a problem. I upgraded my sarge from security.debian.org & now i got a "couldn't start kdeinit. check your installation". i have kde 3.3 & debian sarge |
| 02:11.19 | gt_ | what could i do? |
| 02:11.22 | vipoet | run kdeinit from console; paste the errors. |
| 02:12.06 | malf | So I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade in etch and post reboot xdm has decided it doesn't want to start any longer. Anyone else run into this lately? |
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| 02:13.09 | vipoet | add /usr/bin/xdm to /home/user/.xinitrc | startx |
| 02:13.15 | vipoet | malf ^ |
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| 02:13.56 | chealer | malf: yes. http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfTesting |
| 02:14.08 | malf | thanks guys |
| 02:14.40 | vipoet | im trashed; out |
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| 02:15.25 | chealer | gt_: just to be sure, which version of libxft2 do you have? |
| 02:16.03 | daniel5134 | cwood, how can i see what my system sets my device as? |
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| 02:16.39 | tabris|away | daniel5134: not a perfect solution (it may give too much info) cat /proc/partitions |
| 02:16.55 | gt_ | What a wonder!!!. dont have kdeinit as a package in aptitude. what should i do? |
| 02:17.20 | daniel5134 | tabris|away, i don't think it's there.. |
| 02:17.29 | daniel5134 | i see a bunch of hda's |
| 02:18.27 | chealer | gt_: there is no such Debian package as kdeinit |
| 02:19.09 | gt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.08 | chealer | gt_: start by answering questions you are asked |
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| 02:22.47 | cwood | Does anybody know of a mirror where I could download the Flash5 installer for Linux from? |
| 02:22.54 | cwood | Yes, again with the anybody. ;) |
| 02:23.58 | chealer | cwood: what's Flash5? |
| 02:24.05 | daniel5134 | can anyone help me mount my usb drive? |
| 02:24.28 | daniel5134 | i modified /etc/fstab and added /dev/sda1 |
| 02:25.04 | cwood | It's the macromedia gadget that the BBC uses in its "On This Day" section to put in related stories. |
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| 02:26.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Every Firefox user should have FlashBlock -- Unsolicited Flash is evil. |
| 02:26.35 | ootput | is there a tool that lists all packages that are dependant on other packages in a tree format? |
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| 02:26.54 | chealer | cwood: so you're referring to Macromedia Flash, and you're looking for version *5* of that? |
| 02:27.02 | ootput | well, i suppose it doesn't need to be in a tree format |
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| 02:27.49 | gt__ | . |
| 02:27.51 | cwood | Specifically, yes. |
| 02:28.15 | cwood | While I know that Flash is irritating, it makes the BBC's site work better for me, for now. |
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| 02:28.44 | chealer | ootput: try apt-rdepends |
| 02:29.20 | daniel5134 | can anyone help me mount my usb drive? |
| 02:29.25 | gt__ | i'm back. i had a connection problem |
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| 02:30.04 | vin` | cwood: won't it work with 7? |
| 02:30.29 | chealer | gt_: just to be sure, which version of libxft2 do you have? |
| 02:31.08 | chealer | daniel5134: possibly, if you explain how anyone can help you |
| 02:31.14 | cwood | vin: The flash will work, but there's a bug with the font handling: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=184028 |
| 02:31.28 | cwood | So while the flash will load, any fonts inside will be illegible. |
| 02:33.02 | gt__ | daniel: mount <device> <mount point> : mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/pendrive. Do it with sudo or as root. Ah!!! or better. read about pmount. it will let you mount your pendrive as normal user: man pmount |
| 02:33.21 | daniel5134 | chealer, well it says /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 02:33.29 | ootput | chealer: alright |
| 02:34.00 | chealer | daniel5134: does that file exist? |
| 02:34.10 | daniel5134 | chealer, i don't think so... |
| 02:34.16 | daniel5134 | chealer, i have no idea what i'm doing.. |
| 02:34.31 | daniel5134 | chealer, i've been trying to follow these tutorials, but no luck |
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| 02:35.00 | daniel5134 | chealer, the only thing i know is that lsusb shows that it's connected |
| 02:35.02 | chealer | daniel5134: does /dev contain other sd* files? |
| 02:35.13 | daniel5134 | chealer, i just checked, it doesn't |
| 02:35.17 | magyar | how is linux support for nvidia chipset amd boards? |
| 02:35.26 | gt__ | daniel: just for curiosity?. have you done this before?. what kernel do you have? |
| 02:35.33 | daniel5134 | 2.6? |
| 02:35.44 | gt__ | what 2.6? |
| 02:35.46 | daniel5134 | i obviously have never done this before..haha |
| 02:35.51 | chealer | daniel5134: sorry, I don't know |
| 02:35.52 | mustard5 | chealer, I ended up wiping my debian etch install with the synaptic seg faulting problem ..but I found the solution today I think. if you recall the problem I had |
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| 02:36.16 | chealer | mustard5: haha. yeah. what was it? |
| 02:36.29 | nok | how to execute tow command at the SAME time? |
| 02:36.30 | chealer | magyar: try asking #kernel |
| 02:36.37 | nok | how to execute two command at the SAME time? |
| 02:37.06 | mustard5 | chealer, something along these lines I think.. mv /var/cache/apt/*.bin ~/bak/var/cache/apt/bin |
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| 02:37.22 | mustard5 | chealer, never got to test it, but it seems to be how some people have fixed it |
| 02:37.42 | chealer | mustard5: hum, OK. looks like an APT bug then |
| 02:37.52 | magyar | anyone using amd based boards? |
| 02:38.01 | mustard5 | chealer, they usually either rm the *.bin or mv them to a temp folder |
| 02:38.17 | chealer | magyar: no. companies making are looking for ways to waste their money |
| 02:38.51 | chealer | mustard5: yes, I guess it's not very useful to backup cache |
| 02:39.04 | magyar | confuse the matter more, why dont you? |
| 02:39.17 | mustard5 | chealer, yeah I think the mv solution was just someone being cautious :) |
| 02:39.49 | gt__ | daniel5134: Hey i had this problem before with the 2.6.8.2 kernel. it doesnt let me see any usb drive. thats why i asked you about the kernel |
| 02:40.40 | magyar | !whant |
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| 02:40.59 | magyar | bleh |
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| 02:41.50 | Alam_Debian | how do I pass ENVs with sudo? |
| 02:41.59 | magyar | -H |
| 02:42.07 | chealer | magyar: that's pretty vague. Linux motherboard-level hardware support is good enough that it's really difficult to answer that question |
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| 02:42.20 | magyar | right |
| 02:42.51 | magyar | and that leads to more questions |
| 02:43.01 | magyar | lets be more general |
| 02:43.43 | gt__ | you can see what kernel version you have if you do this : simply as login in console mode (ctrl+alt+f1). when you do that youll see: Linux <machine name> < kernel version>. if you have 2.6.8.2 (sarge's kernel) you will need to upgrade it |
| 02:43.58 | gt__ | daniel you can see what kernel version you have if you do this : simply as login in console mode (ctrl+alt+f1). when you do that youll see: Linux <machine name> < kernel version>. if you have 2.6.8.2 (sarge's kernel) you will need to upgrade it |
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| 02:47.12 | gt__ | i have a problem with an kde upgrade. i upgrade my system from security.debian.org &now i have a "couldnt start kdeinit. chek your installation". i have kde 3.3 &debian sarge. Can anyone help me please!!!!!!!!!. please!. |
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| 02:47.31 | chealer | gt__: just to be sure, which version of libxft2 do you have? |
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| 02:48.35 | gt__ | chealer: libxft2 2.1.7-1 |
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| 02:49.00 | chealer | gt__: OK. ask #debian-kde |
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| 02:49.25 | gt__ | ok thanks. |
| 02:49.45 | yanger | i mounted a hdd (to /dev/sdf) and it's being noted as a OnTracDM6 ... what is that? |
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| 02:54.59 | xarmor | is there a program that installed by default in the base debain install which is a terminal program i.e. talk to a modem over a serial port? |
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| 02:56.06 | tabris|away | xarmor: dunno if installed by default, but minicom works. |
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| 03:06.26 | dererk | Hi there! :) |
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| 03:10.01 | wy | hi all |
| 03:10.21 | dererk | Hi |
| 03:10.34 | stew | xarmor: no. but you can install minicom (among others) |
| 03:10.36 | wy | hi dezerk |
| 03:10.45 | stew | oh, someone already said that |
| 03:10.50 | wy | I've got some problems about file permissions |
| 03:11.38 | xarmor | except the machine does not have internet connection and i am trying to find a way to get internet connection for it.. |
| 03:12.07 | wy | Someone untarred a project on a vfat partition and then tarred it for me. After I untar it, every file is excutable. |
| 03:12.39 | dererk | wy, and? |
| 03:12.51 | dererk | !file permissions |
| 03:13.07 | wy | dererk: I want the files to return to their normal permissions |
| 03:13.54 | dererk | wy, afaik, rar format doesn't respect files permissions, not as Tar does |
| 03:14.07 | wy | That is... I want the excutables (binary, scripts) to be excutable, and all others rw-rw---- |
| 03:14.36 | dererk | wy, chmod +x binaries what's wrong? |
| 03:15.00 | samuel | anyone know if debian has some modules for reading osx formatted usb disks? |
| 03:15.01 | wy | dererk: I want it to be automatic, because there are many files |
| 03:15.05 | stew | wy: vfat doesn't have the concept of permissions |
| 03:15.23 | wy | stew: I'm on ext3 |
| 03:15.41 | wy | but my colleague is using a foolish vfat |
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| 03:16.15 | stew | wy: so the tarball has the bad permissions and you are asking how to fix the permissions now that it is untarred onto ext3? |
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| 03:17.03 | wy | stew: yes. I could write a script using file command... but I wonder if there already exists one |
| 03:17.03 | dererk | wy, chmod +x all-script-files.sh ? |
| 03:17.24 | wy | dererk: I have binary excutables too |
| 03:17.26 | dererk | Oh, that's right stew, forgot that ^^ |
| 03:17.42 | dererk | Affortunatelly I don't use vfat anylonger! ^^ |
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| 03:18.49 | dererk | wy, fast way: ask you friend for the original tar file. hard way: chmod +x file1 file2 file3 :P |
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| 03:22.35 | samuel | anyone know if i can mount OpenStep UFS in debian? any kernel modules for that? |
| 03:22.50 | samuel | without having to compile a kernel? |
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| 03:24.26 | dererk | samuel, if you're using a debian precompilated kernel, It's supposed that the kernel should load all the necesarry controllers |
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| 03:25.34 | samuel | dererk, i think it does, it mounted it as hfsplus... i can get a listing of the directory, but i know there is more in there, just dont know where to look |
| 03:26.03 | dererk | samuel, "find" ? |
| 03:26.10 | samuel | dererk, i just get "BootX Volume Name Icon bootromfirmware com.apple.Boot.plist vers.txt" and no subdirs |
| 03:26.38 | dererk | I don't know much about that FS, sorry |
| 03:26.43 | samuel | thanks |
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| 03:27.06 | samuel | couldnt they have used ext3? |
| 03:27.13 | samuel | dammit |
| 03:27.16 | yetr | !cspan |
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| 03:27.37 | AppleBoy | (in case they haven't come, gnaa is coming around again) |
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| 03:27.42 | Duke1488 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:27.44 | AppleBoy | duke is gnaa |
| 03:27.50 | Agartra | whats wrong with the gnaa |
| 03:28.05 | Agartra | the glendale nautical association of america |
| 03:28.30 | AlienX | because it's in glendale? |
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| 03:29.07 | dererk | debhelper rocks |
| 03:29.16 | dererk | Hi UdontKnow |
| 03:29.38 | dererk | what's that I don't know ? :P |
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| 03:30.19 | UdontKnow | dererk: you dont even know what you dont know. isnt that clear enough? |
| 03:30.42 | fenrir | Is there an easy way to disable something from starting on boot up without ruining the init scripts ability to start manually |
| 03:31.38 | chealer | fenrir: yes. remove the symlink from your default runlevel |
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| 03:31.55 | dererk | UdontKnow, oh, just kidding. take it easy :-S |
| 03:32.07 | zenbum | fenrir: in /etc/rc2.d change S??foo to K??foo |
| 03:32.16 | fenrir | cool thanks |
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| 03:33.13 | fenrir | clear |
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| 03:34.17 | yetr | what is cpan? |
| 03:34.19 | yetr | !cpan |
| 03:34.19 | dpkg | it has been said that cpan is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan |
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| 03:35.40 | AppleBoy | agartra |
| 03:35.43 | AppleBoy | whoops |
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| 03:36.44 | tyler | anyone here uses giFT p2p can u pls help me? |
| 03:37.12 | yetr | how do you completely uninstall cpan? |
| 03:37.24 | yetr | do i even need this? |
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| 03:38.15 | EdLin | !u |
| 03:38.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:39.00 | zu22 | Debian GNU/Linux - why isn't it called just Debian Linux or GNU Linux? hehe |
| 03:39.05 | zu22 | I've always wondered about that. |
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| 03:39.10 | zu22 | Or just Debian. |
| 03:39.31 | yetr | www.debian.org |
| 03:39.36 | yetr | visit and read that |
| 03:39.40 | yetr | !GNU |
| 03:39.40 | dpkg | [gnu] a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
| 03:39.44 | EdLin | zu22: there is Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian KFreeBSD |
| 03:39.53 | yetr | ^^ word |
| 03:40.29 | UdontKnow | dererk: hahah |
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| 03:42.33 | k-man | I have this strange problem where if i copy a large file from the ide cdrom, it hangs linux after a few seconds |
| 03:43.01 | chealer | zu22: because GNU software is as important as Linux in Debian |
| 03:43.15 | yetr | how do you completely uninstall cpan? |
| 03:43.32 | chealer | yetr: how did you install it? |
| 03:43.50 | yetr | perl -MCPAN -eshell |
| 03:43.56 | yetr | oops |
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| 03:48.10 | yetr | chealer: |
| 03:48.47 | chealer | yetr: I don't know. if you installed it like that, #perl may know |
| 03:49.20 | zu22 | what is the code word for stable release? i want to downgrade so i need that for my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:49.37 | zu22 | chealer: ah ok |
| 03:49.53 | zu22 | EDLin: ah |
| 03:50.05 | chealer | !stable |
| 03:50.06 | dpkg | methinks stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r2, or ask me about releases. |
| 03:50.14 | chealer | !tell zu22 about downgrade |
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| 03:50.24 | zu22 | thanks chealer |
| 03:50.41 | zu22 | wow |
| 03:50.43 | yetr | chealer: do i even need this cpan thing? |
| 03:51.00 | unix_infidel | is there a way to do an automated install of debian on a small lab of 30-40 boxes with pxe boot? |
| 03:51.01 | zu22 | so no downgrade is possible and i only have unstable disks (well whatever was unstable 1 year ago) |
| 03:51.06 | zu22 | so guess i am stuck with that :) |
| 03:51.07 | chealer | yetr: I really don't know. I wasn't in your head when you installed it |
| 03:51.15 | unix_infidel | i'm basically looking for an enterprise solution on a smaller scale, any enterprise admins around. |
| 03:51.18 | unix_infidel | ?? |
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| 03:54.05 | zu22 | since i have install from unstable discs burned 1 year ago does that mean i really have what is now considered testing so i should just change sources.list to 'testing' and update or is it unstable and i should change lines to read unstable and update that? or should i change to unstable and need to dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:55.08 | zu22 | i am on dialup so cant do net install, so someone burned debian unstable discs for me 1 year ago |
| 03:55.20 | zu22 | any ideas? |
| 03:56.06 | gt | hey chealer read this xsession-errors i send you. this is better |
| 03:56.30 | chealer | gt: you're about to send it? |
| 03:56.49 | gt | yeah read it then tell me. |
| 03:57.10 | zu22 | streuner: you know what i should do? |
| 03:57.16 | zu22 | chealer: any ideas? |
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| 03:58.28 | chealer | gt: I received nothing yet |
| 03:58.33 | chealer | zu22: sorry, busy |
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| 03:59.43 | gt | yeah this connection is a nightmare. Dial-up |
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| 04:00.12 | Noboru | Good afternoon debianers |
| 04:00.19 | streuner | zu22: what's the problem? |
| 04:00.26 | chealer | zu22: what you'll need to download to upgrade from a 1 year old version should be about the same as what you'd need to get a netinst and perform it |
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| 04:01.22 | Benny | How come when I am loading debian in only recongnizes about half of my 300gig drive? |
| 04:01.54 | Benny | Is anybody awake? |
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| 04:04.04 | i3dmaster | how to config FF keyboard shortcuts? |
| 04:04.33 | streuner | zu22: well, using unstable with a dialup connections sucks, but if you need to update packages once i would just do this |
| 04:04.34 | chealer | zu22: you can do a net install on dialup. the "netinst" image installs a base system without need for internet conection |
| 04:04.57 | gt | this ..........!! here is the file via chat (/etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "root" /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... /usr/bin/startkde: line 1: kde-config: command not found |
| 04:04.58 | gt | /usr/bin/startkde: line 167: lnusertemp: command not found |
| 04:04.58 | gt | /usr/bin/startkde: line 171: lnusertemp: command not found |
| 04:04.58 | gt | /usr/bin/startkde: line 175: lnusertemp: command not found |
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| 04:05.40 | Benny | quick question guys is there any reason the only half of my 300gig shows up when I try a to do a fresh install on debian? |
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| 04:06.26 | mustard5 | gt, put it in the pastebin |
| 04:06.26 | i3dmaster | ok, does anybody know how to config FF keyboard shortcuts? |
| 04:06.39 | sid | !tell i3dmaster about repeat |
| 04:06.50 | gt | cheatlr: did you see it |
| 04:06.57 | gt | chealer: did you see it |
| 04:07.03 | chealer | gt: partially |
| 04:07.08 | mustard5 | gt, http://pastebin.ca |
| 04:07.13 | streuner | dpkg, tell gt about paste |
| 04:07.19 | gt | thats all the file |
| 04:07.47 | chealer | gt: please paste it in a pastebin and we should continue the conversation in #debian-kde |
| 04:08.41 | Benny | No love from anyone huh |
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| 04:09.19 | Benny | late |
| 04:09.19 | gt | better give me you e-mail & i send it to you. its past midnight to me i have to go what do you say |
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| 04:11.08 | zu22 | streuner: vielen danke |
| 04:12.03 | gt | excuse me for the pasting im new in this thing |
| 04:12.12 | zu22 | chealer: how big is the base image? could i download it all in one 4 hour session on dialup or does the netinst program support pause/resume? |
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| 04:13.18 | tabris|away | netinst downloads a bunch of stuff separately, so in theory it supports it, for all practical purposes. but netinst over dialup is masochism. |
| 04:13.37 | tabris|away | then again, downloading an ISO over dialup is masochism, and I've done it before. |
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| 04:13.49 | zu22 | tabris|away: in that case i'll just upgrade my packages since apt-get supports pause resume heh |
| 04:14.07 | tabris|away | netinst uses apt. |
| 04:14.13 | zu22 | tabris: i don't have cd burner heh |
| 04:14.21 | chealer | zu22: the netinst ISO is about 100 MB and can install a base system without requiring any more download. after that, you have APT and can install by small bits if you wish |
| 04:14.23 | tabris|away | at least the sarge one does. |
| 04:15.09 | chealer | gt: is kde-core installed? |
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| 04:15.32 | zu22 | chealer: wow 100mb, i calculate that would take 30 hours but my dialup sesson is only 4 hours max |
| 04:16.10 | zu22 | trabris|away: ah, i heard the new debian installer in unstable is very intuitive and cool |
| 04:16.17 | chealer | zu22: heh, sorry then. others should know better if/how you could stop/resume ISO downlaods |
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| 04:16.29 | zu22 | chealer: heh np thx anyways |
| 04:16.34 | gt | yes kde-core 5:44 (thats odd) |
| 04:16.47 | gt | 5:44? |
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| 04:17.24 | chealer | gt: that's normal. is kdelibs-bin installed? |
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| 04:18.10 | konfuzed | ok so checking into doing a lite/mini NAS setup and want to check what HardWare RAID controller is real hardware raid yet still affordable for buddy at home who is fed up with loosing data and mp3 and crap, of course has to run on debian, any ideas please |
| 04:18.17 | gt | yes 4:3.3.2-6 |
| 04:18.38 | chealer | gt: what does $ which lnusertemp; return? |
| 04:19.10 | gt | i dont get it. what? |
| 04:19.15 | myren | is there any way i can run a copy of windows tahts actually installed onto the hard drive? |
| 04:19.22 | myren | v. a fake windows in some stupid loopback file? |
| 04:19.31 | chealer | gt: type "whih lnusertemp" in a terminal and tell me what that gives? |
| 04:19.38 | chealer | "which lnusertemp" |
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| 04:20.09 | konfuzed | is there better options than Adaptec - 2410SA I know this isnt a hardware channel but lets face it what works solid on debian is really only to be known #debian users |
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| 04:20.15 | zinx | poor vxworks users |
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| 04:21.01 | gt | nothing or how you say it, return |
| 04:22.08 | chealer | gt: hum. do you have a /usr/bin/lnusertemp file? |
| 04:22.23 | stew | konfuzed: buy an older used pata raid controller from 3ware on ebay |
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| 04:23.13 | konfuzed | stew, as in Parallel ATA vs SATA ? |
| 04:23.20 | konfuzed | any reason? |
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| 04:23.31 | stew | becuaes they are cheap and work very well |
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| 04:23.49 | konfuzed | does the raid controller put them all on seperate channels any way? |
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| 04:24.07 | stew | konfuzed: yes, 3ware cards don't support multiple drives on a single channel |
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| 04:25.24 | gt | no i dont. What it does? |
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| 04:26.09 | chealer | gt: I don't know much, but you need that file. try reinstalling the kdelibs-bin package |
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| 04:26.51 | gt | ok see you later. or talk you later ok? |
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| 04:27.35 | chealer | gt: ok |
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| 04:27.38 | cat | hey can someone help me out to setup my nvidia card running debian? please |
| 04:27.58 | cat | nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] that's my card |
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| 04:28.04 | chealer | cat: if you tell us what kind of help you need, perhaps |
| 04:28.07 | cat | i just don't know how to set it up |
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| 04:28.28 | cat | chealer: when i run GDm isn't working because my video card isn't setup correct and i need to installed the nvidia drivers for linux, |
| 04:28.32 | cat | and i'm totaly lost, |
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| 04:28.38 | dres | nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:28.40 | streuner | cat: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 04:28.58 | cat | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 04:29.13 | chealer | cat: do you mention gdm because X is working, or is X failing to start? |
| 04:29.23 | cat | x is failing to start, |
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| 04:29.43 | chealer | cat: please provide your X log |
| 04:29.50 | cat | give me one second |
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| 04:30.39 | cat | (EE) No drivers available Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 04:31.22 | chealer | cat: I would appreciate to see the whole log |
| 04:31.31 | cat | how? |
| 04:31.38 | chealer | cat: you can paste it somewhere |
| 04:31.41 | chealer | !tell cat about paste |
| 04:31.43 | cat | (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" |
| 04:31.51 | cat | let me join #flood |
| 04:32.01 | chealer | cat: ok...but an X log may be long for #flood |
| 04:32.15 | pourriture_ | pastebin works well |
| 04:32.45 | Ademan | does debian dump its starup log anywhere? |
| 04:32.58 | stew | Ademan: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 04:33.09 | cat | basicly my x isn't working because of the nvidia drivers that's why |
| 04:33.12 | cat | Ademan: try look at /var/log |
| 04:33.17 | roler | I am getting a crazy amount of email error 451 in my /var/log/mail.log file, it seems that there are several hundred emails that it is trying to send out, which it has been doing some for 100 days or more |
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| 04:33.28 | roler | how do I prevent this and not let it try for so long? |
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| 04:33.39 | stew | cat: are you tryin to use the free drivers or the non-free drivers? |
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| 04:33.46 | cat | non-free drivers stew |
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| 04:34.05 | Ademan | stew: well i can't boot so i'm in Knoppix right now |
| 04:34.10 | dererk | !ban transom |
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| 04:34.26 | Ademan | so i need to install the bootlog package and then it will dump a log? |
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| 04:34.28 | cat | AaronF: it's the one with the proxies crap |
| 04:34.31 | dererk | dpkg ban transom |
| 04:34.33 | cat | look |
| 04:34.41 | pourriture_ | cat ... agp or pci-x? |
| 04:34.49 | cat | pourriture_: huh? |
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| 04:35.07 | pourriture_ | cat the vid card ... is it agp or pci-x? |
| 04:35.14 | cat | agp |
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| 04:35.29 | chealer | cat: are you just trying to get X to start, or specifically using NVIDIA's non-free graphics drivers? |
| 04:35.42 | cat | chealer: just want to get my X working, |
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| 04:35.53 | dres | cat: what does "apt-get install nvidia-xconfig" do? if it installs the package try running it. |
| 04:36.06 | cat | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:36.37 | pourriture_ | bah ... I was trying to guess ... I ran into a prob with pci-x that fixed nicely by moving to 2.6 kernel |
| 04:36.50 | chealer | dres: he's running sarge |
| 04:36.59 | dres | chealer: just checking. |
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| 04:37.21 | chealer | cat: then the simplest solution is to switch back to a free driver such as nv. that can be done with # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:37.36 | cat | i did try the nv and it doesn't work |
| 04:37.44 | pourriture_ | cat, vesa? |
| 04:37.48 | cat | let me try |
| 04:37.53 | fiend | hello guys, do you know any desktop resource monitors beside gkrellm and superkaramba? the one that's more console-like that gui, thanks |
| 04:37.54 | dres | actually dpkg-reconfigure will work with nvidia driver as well. |
| 04:37.56 | streuner | cat: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i VGA' say? |
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| 04:38.19 | streuner | sure, but if they aren't supported you are out of luck |
| 04:38.25 | roler | I am getting a crazy amount of email error 451 in my /var/log/mail.log file, it seems that there are several hundred emails that it is trying to send out, which it has been doing some for 100 days or more... How can I stop these attempts . and not just once. I want them not to go on for so long |
| 04:38.32 | cat | nope vesa doesn't work |
| 04:38.44 | cat | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 04:38.49 | streuner | roler: postfix? |
| 04:39.01 | chealer | cat: what's the problem with nv or vesa? |
| 04:39.03 | streuner | cat: FX 5200 is supported by xorg or nvidia-glx |
| 04:39.14 | roler | streuner; yes |
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| 04:39.25 | cat | so if i want to get my X working i need backports for xorg |
| 04:39.29 | pourriture_ | streuner, is xorg in sarge? |
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| 04:39.33 | chealer | cat: no |
| 04:39.36 | cat | nope pourriture_ but in backports |
| 04:39.38 | streuner | in backports |
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| 04:39.45 | dres | cat: nah. I had nvidia card working before then. |
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| 04:39.51 | cat | chealer: yes xorg isn't on sarge it's on backports |
| 04:39.52 | streuner | nobse made a backport of xorg (6.9) |
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| 04:40.19 | chealer | cat: I know. I was saying we can't say you'd need X.org with what you told us yet |
| 04:40.22 | streuner | and FX 5200 is well supported in 6.9 |
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| 04:40.29 | roler | what is going on? |
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| 04:40.32 | roler | is someone kicking me? |
| 04:40.32 | cat | streuner: so what do i do? |
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| 04:40.38 | dres | cat: try the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 route. |
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| 04:40.57 | cat | dres: i already did that and i've try nvidia sis vga and it doesn't work |
| 04:41.08 | streuner | cat: well, look into /var/spool/mail/postfix |
| 04:41.15 | streuner | roler: well, look into /var/spool/mail/postfix |
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| 04:41.27 | streuner | that was for roler (postfix) |
| 04:41.29 | chealer | roler: [00:41] <-- roler has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). |
| 04:41.32 | deb-ian | DCC SEND gnaa_owns_u_www.gnaa.us<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
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| 04:41.51 | cat | oh ok, |
| 04:41.54 | streuner | roler: well, look into /var/spool/mail/postfix |
| 04:41.55 | pourriture_ | that is getting a bit annoying |
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| 04:41.59 | roler | ok thank you |
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| 04:42.07 | roler | I am going to go offline, I have no idea whats happening with my connection |
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| 04:42.12 | Hakamoto | roler: nobody is kickin you, it is some attack with flood on #debian |
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| 04:42.18 | cat | darn it i want to get my X working so badly but i just cant seem to get it working |
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| 04:42.23 | Hakamoto | your cennection is somewhat week |
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| 04:42.50 | streuner | roler: well, look into /var/spool/postfix |
| 04:42.55 | roler | ok |
| 04:43.23 | streuner | roler: but i have no idea why postfix still want (after 100 days) to send the message |
| 04:43.48 | streuner | roler: default is 4 days, after that it gives up on that job... |
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| 04:43.54 | pourriture_ | roler, AaronF , humbolt , wolffc .... what irc clients are you using ... you seem to be the ones that get booted by the DCC send thing |
| 04:44.02 | chealer | cat: we can't help you if you don't diagnose better than "doesn't work" |
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| 04:44.35 | streuner | cat: we told you how to solve it, why not just getting nvidia-glx or just xorg? |
| 04:44.44 | pourriture_ | that has to be a client exploit |
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| 04:44.54 | streuner | mIRC? |
| 04:45.02 | roler | I am using xchat |
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| 04:45.11 | cat | im getting xorg right now streuner |
| 04:45.13 | pourriture_ | as am I roler |
| 04:45.13 | streuner | what version? |
| 04:45.17 | cat | let me check |
| 04:45.28 | roler | 2.6.1 |
| 04:45.31 | streuner | cat: no, the version of X-Chat |
| 04:45.36 | cat | xserver-xorg 6.9.0 |
| 04:45.40 | pourriture_ | I am using that too roler |
| 04:45.40 | streuner | sure |
| 04:45.41 | cat | i'm not using x-chat |
| 04:45.46 | streuner | cat: i know |
| 04:45.49 | cat | i'm using irssi =) |
| 04:45.51 | cat | oh ok |
| 04:45.52 | Hakamoto | cat *g* |
| 04:46.24 | roler | streuner; delay=31840, status=deferred |
| 04:46.27 | pourriture_ | LOL ... I always think irsissy when I see that |
| 04:46.33 | roler | streuner; that's how long it's been trying right? |
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| 04:47.16 | streuner | roler: 100 days? |
| 04:47.18 | cat | !tell ops that there some annoying bots |
| 04:47.27 | cat | !ops annoying bots in channel |
| 04:47.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: annoying bots in channel |
| 04:47.51 | chealer | cat: freenode staff is already on it |
| 04:47.59 | cat | after i get xorg what do i do streuner |
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| 04:48.03 | roler | streuner; is the delay line how long it's been trying |
| 04:48.34 | roler | streuner; I have more like this... delay=352847, status=deferred |
| 04:48.42 | myboxen | anyone have an opinion on exim or postfix? |
| 04:49.04 | gpm | !start an mta work |
| 04:49.06 | gpm | !start an mta war |
| 04:49.06 | dpkg | sendmail loses mail |
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| 04:49.19 | myboxen | hehe |
| 04:49.23 | myboxen | not what I was trying to do |
| 04:49.39 | gpm | myboxen: it depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 04:49.52 | gpm | myboxen: and what you like...in short, we need more specificity to help you |
| 04:50.04 | iter | qmail |
| 04:50.09 | gpm | myboxen: AND, i'm not the person to ask |
| 04:50.19 | cat | done getting xorg streuner |
| 04:50.19 | gpm | myboxen: i'm just trying to help you ask |
| 04:50.22 | gpm | :-P |
| 04:51.05 | pourriture_ | I run qmail too ... but that is just cause I haven't tried anything else |
| 04:51.49 | pourriture_ | and I find that being a qmail admin helps me pick up lots of hot chicks |
| 04:52.06 | pourriture_ | ok ... that was a lie ... but I do like qmail |
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| 04:52.15 | roler | streuner or am I wrong with what the delay= means? |
| 04:52.18 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 04:52.51 | cat | bla |
| 04:52.57 | cat | damn x |
| 04:52.58 | streuner | roler: sorry, no idea |
| 04:53.07 | yongshun1 | yongshunz: ? |
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| 04:53.10 | fiend | hello guys, do you know any desktop resource monitors beside gkrellm and superkaramba? the one that's more console-like that gui, thanks |
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| 04:54.09 | cat | okey i'm installing nvidia-glx |
| 04:54.16 | streuner | !info toresmo |
| 04:54.19 | streuner | !info torsmo |
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| 04:55.31 | streuner | fiend: try apt-cache search system monitor |
| 04:55.33 | gpm | fiend: top? |
| 04:55.36 | myboxen | gpm: appreciated. Currently my goal is to setup mutt, procmail, and ? using fetchmail for my local machine. After I have gotten comfortable with how to work with procmail and ?? I will be setting up a mail server. |
| 04:56.03 | gpm | myboxen: best of luck. procmail is awesome. |
| 04:56.09 | pourriture_ | cat, for what it is worth ... I don't use 3-d acceleration on my box ... but the one time that I did try it out I got the .run package from nvidia and it seemed to work ... I have no doubt the deb tools work too ... just sayin' |
| 04:56.14 | myboxen | gpm: I am very comfortable with linux, http servers, identd servers, mysql server, etc... Ive just never setup a mail server. |
| 04:56.15 | gpm | myboxen: (as is mutt, and...well, everything) |
| 04:56.19 | x3n0 | I'm thinking of setting up a Debian laptop for my dad who is very inept at computers. I'm thinking of doing some type of permissions restrictions and having a remote connection available. Is this an easy task? |
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| 04:56.40 | gpm | myboxen: oh, you'll be fine. sorry i can't be of assistance. |
| 04:57.04 | myboxen | gpm: can't be of assistance between exim and postfix? |
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| 04:57.30 | gpm | myboxen: i've only really used exim....so, i'd recommend that :P |
| 04:57.58 | pourriture_ | myboxen, www.qmailrocks.org .... it will help even if you finally decide on a different mail server |
| 04:58.15 | putit | how do you update modules with cpan? |
| 04:58.35 | gpm | !tell putit about cpan |
| 04:58.36 | streuner | compile them new? |
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| 04:59.12 | blujay | What is the name of the package for the Debian BTS for reporting bugs? |
| 04:59.21 | gpm | blujay: reportbug |
| 04:59.31 | gpm | blujay: try apt-cache search next time |
| 04:59.39 | x3n0 | What is the best way to learn about Linux, from scratch to knowledgable user |
| 04:59.41 | blujay | gpm: no, I want to report a bug against the BTS SYSTEM, not the client-side reporting app |
| 04:59.42 | pourriture_ | myboxen, www.goodcleanemail.com is a great resource too |
| 04:59.51 | gpm | blujay: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 04:59.53 | gpm | blujay: sorry |
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| 05:00.16 | Kinks | x3n0: uh.. using it and making good use of documentation whenever you come across something you don't understand? |
| 05:00.17 | rredd4 | what log is for boot up? I have some errors on boot up and want to review them. |
| 05:00.18 | cat | damn |
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| 05:00.30 | cat | i still cannot get this damn video card working |
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| 05:00.32 | Kinks | x3n0: you'll get lots of fun opinions |
| 05:00.33 | cat | i'm getting mad =( |
| 05:00.53 | streuner | !drxx cat |
| 05:00.53 | dpkg | cat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:00.54 | x3n0 | Kinks: What options do I have? |
| 05:01.03 | pourriture_ | x3n0, I found that breaking things repeatedly and doing lots of reinstalls taught me a lot |
| 05:01.29 | x3n0 | pourriture_: What if I want to geta well rounded comprehension in say a week? |
| 05:01.35 | Kinks | x3n0: uh.. don't ask me.. I just learn through experimentation and documentation. |
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| 05:02.02 | Kinks | and sometimes problems people whine about in this channel. |
| 05:02.25 | pourriture_ | x3n0, don't sleep ... read lots and work you ass off |
| 05:02.31 | nanotube | hello ... how can I check my current MSS setting ...ifconfig only report MTU |
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| 05:02.39 | x3n0 | pourriture_: Read where/what? |
| 05:02.45 | gpm | blujay: i know i've seen it somewhere...but i can't remember what. |
| 05:02.51 | blujay | gpm: ok, thanks anyway |
| 05:02.52 | chealer | cat: we can't help you if you don't diagnose better than "doesn't work" |
| 05:02.55 | rredd4 | which log in /var/log has boot up errors? |
| 05:03.21 | streuner | dmesg |
| 05:03.34 | chealer | rredd4: there is none specific to errors. /var/log/messages may contain some |
| 05:03.40 | streuner | cat: paste the entire log file into paster bot |
| 05:03.42 | streuner | !paste |
| 05:03.43 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 05:03.50 | cat | give me one second please |
| 05:03.56 | cat | i'm going to reboot to my new kernel |
| 05:04.02 | streuner | new kernel? |
| 05:04.08 | cat | yeah that i've installed |
| 05:04.10 | streuner | official? |
| 05:04.15 | cat | backports |
| 05:04.18 | streuner | ok |
| 05:04.20 | rredd4 | chealer ok.. ty |
| 05:04.27 | jstevens | x3n0: Do you have a couple spare boxes? |
| 05:04.39 | rredd4 | streuner dmesg.. k |
| 05:04.44 | pourriture_ | x3n0, that depends on what problem you run into ... it is the same difficulty that someone who never used windows before would face if they tried to have a well rounded comprehension in a week |
| 05:04.48 | jstevens | x3n0: What is "well rounded in a week"? What is your background? |
| 05:04.50 | x3n0 | jstevens: I have one spare box, its a lapto |
| 05:04.51 | gpm | blujay: probably just email owner@bugs.debian.org |
| 05:05.12 | blujay | gpm: hm...ok...I'm going to ask on -devel too and see if any of them know...thanks |
| 05:05.23 | gpm | blujay: np...that's what i'd do, for what it's worth |
| 05:05.24 | blujay | gpm: apparently it's debbugs |
| 05:05.38 | x3n0 | jstevens: My background is getting my feet wet the last few weeks with linux learning a handful of command lines, also I'm a IT tech at work for windows |
| 05:05.43 | x3n0 | jstevens: I learn fast. |
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| 05:06.25 | gpm | blujay: haha, it has its own pdo page too! |
| 05:06.45 | blujay | gpm: well, yeah, I think, theoretically at least, one can install the bts on their own system |
| 05:06.46 | pourriture_ | if you want a usable *nix box with zero starting knowlege and you need it in a week ... get a mac ... OSX is a lot of fun and easy to use ... and it has the capability to do all the high end *nix geek stuff too |
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| 05:07.16 | x3n0 | jstevens: Well rounded in that I know enough to manipulate files, work on permissions, set rules and go thru the directories knowing what they are |
| 05:07.18 | gpm | blujay: genius. i like the way bts works. maybe when i actually get around to writing software i'll use it |
| 05:07.22 | pourriture_ | and Linus himself uses a g-5 ... but not osx |
| 05:07.23 | x3n0 | pourriture_: I cannot afford that. :) |
| 05:07.25 | blujay | gpm: :) |
| 05:07.32 | Kinks | x3n0: have you done so much as picked a distro and installed it yet? |
| 05:07.44 | x3n0 | Kinks: I'm on a p3 laptop with Debian installed |
| 05:07.54 | jstevens | x3n0: I'd suggest you get a couple of low end desktops. Perhaps try a few deployments. Set up a web server, ftp server, get DNS working, etc. |
| 05:08.40 | pourriture_ | x3no , I have some friends who have had good luck with ubuntu |
| 05:08.56 | streuner | !topicsmite pourriture_ |
| 05:08.56 | x3n0 | jstevens: I want to be able to navigate thru the terminals primariilly |
| 05:08.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon pourriture_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:09.14 | pourriture_ | yes I know |
| 05:09.16 | jstevens | x3n0: That might be a reasonable approach. If you are going to install X at all, only do so on one system. |
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| 05:09.24 | streuner | well, but you aren't care |
| 05:09.30 | Kinks | x3n0: when I started on linux, the first thing i set out to do was figure out how to do just about anything I normally did on windows in linux, without depending on windows at all. |
| 05:09.36 | Kinks | x3n0: that alone taught me a fair bit |
| 05:09.43 | Kinks | but I guess it depends on what all you use your desktop for |
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| 05:09.45 | pourriture_ | the U word is bad ... and I agree ... but it works well for newbs |
| 05:09.48 | pourriture_ | kinda |
| 05:10.23 | x3n0 | pourriture_: What is hte 'u' word/ |
| 05:10.29 | x3n0 | Kinks: 'That is a good idea and fair, I want to have some kind of book reference or quick class /crash course |
| 05:10.53 | pourriture_ | the wrath of topic has descended on me once ... I dare not say it again |
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| 05:11.09 | x3n0 | xniu? |
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| 05:11.39 | pourriture_ | just suffice it to say that it is the anti-debian |
| 05:11.44 | x3n0 | ahh |
| 05:11.48 | x3n0 | ubun2 |
| 05:12.04 | pourriture_ | that is the one |
| 05:12.04 | x3n0 | I think |
| 05:12.07 | x3n0 | =) |
| 05:12.13 | jstevens | x3n0: As far as reading, you can start with the Debian Reference. It has a good set of information and is oriented toward those without a Unix/Linux background. |
| 05:12.15 | streuner | haha |
| 05:12.29 | x3n0 | jstevens: Have an idea of how much it costs USD? |
| 05:12.34 | streuner | you should know that better :-), its not anti-debian |
| 05:12.36 | Kinks | x3n0: I just stuck to whatever's on the debian site for the most part when I started learning |
| 05:12.39 | jstevens | x3n0: It has plenty of information that is generic Unix/Linux. |
| 05:12.43 | tedjohntj | anyone tell me why after a few weeks of having a debian box hooked up as a gateway i start losing access to certain site?? |
| 05:12.46 | Kinks | well, on it / linked to by it |
| 05:12.53 | jstevens | x3n0: It's free! :^) |
| 05:13.00 | degantyll | nite |
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| 05:13.13 | x3n0 | jstevens: Can you link me/ |
| 05:13.21 | pourriture_ | x3n0, you could do that thing that they did to Neo in the Matrix where he learned Kung Fu in 30 seconds |
| 05:13.26 | x3n0 | helpless* |
| 05:13.35 | dondelelcaro | hrm... has anyone run into a problem with recent versions of xterm not working properly with alt/meta ? |
| 05:13.35 | x3n0 | pourriture_: I'm not far off from that |
| 05:13.55 | Kinks | x3n0: it takes a 5 second glance at the debian.org site... not being lazy is another good way to start learning. |
| 05:13.57 | jstevens | x3n0: Yes I *can* send you a link. Not to be rude, but Google is your friend. :^) |
| 05:13.57 | dondelelcaro | (it's more likely an X issue than an xterm issue, but I'm not quite sure about that.) |
| 05:14.02 | streuner | dondelelcaro: usually i would say, check out BTS |
| 05:14.06 | x3n0 | this is how lazy i am |
| 05:14.08 | x3n0 | www.debian.org |
| 05:14.09 | dondelelcaro | streuner: yes, I have... |
| 05:14.26 | tedjohntj | anyone tell me why after a few weeks of having a debian box hooked up as a gateway i start losing access to certain site?? |
| 05:15.11 | x3n0 | jstevens: For a real thing, I installed Debian on this laptop 15" LCD screen, but its res is maxing at 800x600. In Windoze I can get 1400x950 (IBM Think pad) |
| 05:15.16 | jstevens | x3n0: Are you in front of a debian system? |
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| 05:15.30 | x3n0 | jstevens: I'm on irc on the debian system |
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| 05:16.19 | jstevens | There is a Debian Reference package. Snag it that way -- using a term of course. |
| 05:17.18 | x3n0 | ...? |
| 05:17.45 | chealer | dondelelcaro: are you aware that Debian has a BTS? ;) |
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| 05:18.01 | x3n0 | !define bts |
| 05:18.02 | tedjohntj | anyone tell me why after a few weeks of having a debian box hooked up as a gateway i start losing access to certain site?? |
| 05:18.06 | ebaad_ | I get the error E: couldn't find package update |
| 05:18.16 | ebaad_ | can somebody tell me how to fix this |
| 05:18.20 | streuner | chealer: he already answered that question... |
| 05:18.21 | dondelelcaro | chealer: no, I'm not... and no, I don't have patches in process.in, bugreport.cgi or pkgreport.cgi |
| 05:18.25 | pourriture_ | my linux experience ... tried slackware in '96 and failed ... tried redhat 5.2 and failed ... tried redhat 6.0 and started learning a bit when I unplugged windows box for 2 months ... then redhat 7.0 , 7.1 , 7.2 , 7.3 , 8 , 9.0 , 9.3 ... then switched to debian woody ... then did a few gentoo installs on spare machines... then a slackware box or 2 ... and I watch the wife use freebsd |
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| 05:18.43 | x3n0 | Sigh |
| 05:18.52 | dondelelcaro | anyway, it seems like metaSendsEscape is being ignored; probably some sort of local problem. |
| 05:18.55 | x3n0 | I'm kind of chained to a Windows machine for the rest of my life tho.... |
| 05:19.10 | x3n0 | =( |
| 05:19.14 | chealer | streuner: I was mostly joking :-P |
| 05:19.23 | jstevens | x3n0: Why is that? |
| 05:19.29 | x3n0 | jstevens: <-- AVID gamer. |
| 05:19.34 | chealer | blujay: yeah, I know. no need to PM me |
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| 05:19.58 | jstevens | x3n0: Ahh, yeah, I'm not a gamer. |
| 05:20.32 | x3n0 | jstevens: Yeah so hands are kind of tied, |
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| 05:21.05 | sinoth | When installing from a netinst ISO, the installer hangs at 84% on loading the module "ide-disk". I have no idea why, and don't think its my harddrives fault because I can boot Damn Small Linux fine and modify the partition table, format, etc. Any clues? |
| 05:21.06 | cat | ok im back streuner |
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| 05:21.27 | x3n0 | sinoth: Bad burn? |
| 05:21.40 | jstevens | x3n0: No reason not to learn. Plenty of folks just use Windows for gaming. Dual boot is easy. |
| 05:21.42 | pourriture_ | sinoth, I had that the other day ... boot the installer with 2.6 kernel |
| 05:21.51 | pourriture_ | sinoth, it worked for me |
| 05:21.51 | sinoth | x3n0: thougt so, and burned a few more. don't think its the case, because it installs fine on another computer |
| 05:22.09 | myboxen | I have a question in regards to aptitude. I have two sources in sources.list, 1 is ftp.us.debian.org, and the other is security.debian.org. I get a warning on most packages I try to install that they are coming from untrusted sources. |
| 05:22.15 | x3n0 | sinoth: dying CDrom? |
| 05:22.21 | myboxen | is this because there from non-free possibly |
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| 05:22.33 | x3n0 | jstevens: I see... Well I need to figure out a way to xfer my files from windows to linux |
| 05:22.35 | degantyll | myboxen: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 05:22.36 | cat | i have xorg now streuner what do i do |
| 05:22.51 | streuner | cat: did you try to run X via startx? |
| 05:22.57 | sinoth | x3n0: if so, why do other distros load fine, and why is it always on the 'ide-disk' module? I can bypass that module and finish most of the install, until I have to make partitions |
| 05:23.01 | pourriture_ | sinoth, mine hung at 84% too ... |
| 05:23.06 | streuner | !drxx cat |
| 05:23.06 | dpkg | cat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:23.11 | x3n0 | sinoth: It does'nt like you |
| 05:23.13 | sinoth | pourriture_: i'll try again, but i think i tried that yesterday |
| 05:23.15 | cat | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 05:23.16 | cat | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 05:23.17 | x3n0 | sinoth: ;) |
| 05:23.23 | sinoth | x3n0: i think so T_T |
| 05:23.42 | x3n0 | sinoth: Lol, if it happened to someone else... Maybe its a flaw in the install w/ some specific hardware? |
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| 05:24.13 | cat | that was the error i got when i was using startx |
| 05:24.35 | x3n0 | cat: Why do you want your nVidia driver loaded? |
| 05:24.47 | pourriture_ | sinoth, my box was an msi k8-neo with a pci-x vid card and sata hds |
| 05:24.48 | cat | x3n0: so i can used my video card |
| 05:24.54 | cat | i can't get it to run |
| 05:25.02 | x3n0 | cat: Can't you run Vesa off it? |
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| 05:25.22 | sinoth | pourriture_: that sorta makes sense since the older kernel probably can't handle sata as well.. but this is an ancient laptop with normal IDE |
| 05:25.26 | pourriture_ | sinoth, ant it looked like it was going to hang at 81% and then went to 84% and died |
| 05:25.48 | cat | let me try |
| 05:26.22 | Kinks | cat: have you tried nv? unless you want 3D acceleration I would imagine that'll do fine. |
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| 05:26.47 | x3n0 | cat: Do you want 3D Accelleration for your linux machine for any purpose? |
| 05:26.49 | cat | yeah i want 3d acceleration |
| 05:26.55 | x3n0 | For what? |
| 05:27.03 | pourriture_ | x3n0, .... TUXRACER!!!!! |
| 05:27.14 | gpm | x3n0: why not? |
| 05:27.15 | x3n0 | Tuxracer? |
| 05:27.18 | gpm | omfg |
| 05:27.19 | Kinks | x3n0: there -are- games for linux that require such things.. |
| 05:27.23 | gpm | !tuxracer |
| 05:27.24 | dpkg | hmm... tuxracer is an old game in Woody which PlanetPenguin Racer is based on. A transition package in Sarge. ask me about ppracer |
| 05:27.26 | x3n0 | =\ |
| 05:27.27 | Kinks | and other things as well I would imagine. |
| 05:27.36 | gpm | !ppracer |
| 05:27.37 | dpkg | [planetpenguin-racer] the package for PlanetPenguin Racer, an openGL game based on TuxRacer that lets you control Tux as you race down snow-covered mountains. Many levels are available. |
| 05:27.43 | cat | okey nv works fine, |
| 05:27.44 | streuner | cat: take a look into nvidia-glx then |
| 05:27.51 | gpm | i think frozen bubble needs gl too? |
| 05:27.52 | x3n0 | Ya'll are t3h weird ;x |
| 05:27.54 | streuner | if you want 3d |
| 05:27.55 | cat | but everything it's so big |
| 05:27.56 | Kinks | cat: nv will give you crappy 3D acceleration though. |
| 05:28.03 | cat | that's what im saying |
| 05:28.04 | gpm | games@@ |
| 05:28.10 | Kinks | cat: which is why I asked =) |
| 05:28.23 | cat | streuner: if i installed nvidia-glx it will remove me xorg |
| 05:28.25 | chealer | Kinks: nv doesn't give any 3D acceleration |
| 05:28.25 | cat | server |
| 05:28.30 | streuner | cat: no |
| 05:28.32 | gpm | cat: not for me |
| 05:28.35 | x3n0 | Can anyone help me get my res bigger than 800x600? |
| 05:28.36 | cat | ok |
| 05:28.39 | pourriture_ | the screensavers that were ported from IRIX look nice with acceleration too ... |
| 05:28.44 | streuner | cat: but you have to configure X otherwise then |
| 05:28.45 | gpm | x3n0: it's in xorg conf.. |
| 05:28.45 | Kinks | cat: I just enabled non-free and downloaded the one required package from sid (or maybe it was testing..) |
| 05:28.52 | gpm | x3n0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:28.52 | sep | cat there are a perfectly good nvidi howto, use that |
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| 05:29.01 | sep | !nvidia howto |
| 05:29.01 | dpkg | well, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable, or better yet, ask me about nvidia-graphics-drivers instead |
| 05:29.15 | cat | Removing xserver-xfree86 ... |
| 05:29.15 | cat | Removing xserver-xorg-dbg ... |
| 05:29.16 | cat | Removing xserver-xorg ... |
| 05:29.25 | pourriture_ | I didn't mention my IRIX adventures in learning linux ... but I had a couple of indigo's and an o2 as well |
| 05:29.29 | cat | you see streuner |
| 05:29.32 | gpm | cat: they don't conflict.... |
| 05:29.40 | gpm | cat: so they're being removed for some other reason |
| 05:29.41 | x3n0 | hmm not working |
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| 05:30.00 | gpm | x3n0: did you select a bigger resolution in the debconf screen? |
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| 05:30.11 | sep | cat, he said "look into" not install. you have to read the docs on how to use the package correctly. read the howto. |
| 05:30.15 | x3n0 | yes |
| 05:30.27 | x3n0 | xserver isn't installed |
| 05:30.35 | cat | cat@aviation:~$ startx |
| 05:30.35 | cat | xauth: creating new authority file /home/cat/.serverauth.8172 |
| 05:30.35 | cat | /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit: Server error. |
| 05:30.36 | gpm | x3n0: xserver-xorg? |
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| 05:30.45 | gpm | x3n0: are you using xorg or xfree86? |
| 05:30.47 | x3n0 | correct |
| 05:30.48 | x3n0 | uhm |
| 05:30.52 | x3n0 | dunno |
| 05:30.54 | x3n0 | :D |
| 05:31.04 | x3n0 | xfree86 |
| 05:31.05 | gpm | x3n0: what did you install to get X working at all? |
| 05:31.14 | gpm | x3n0: so you have xserver-xfree86? |
| 05:31.25 | cat | damn |
| 05:31.44 | gpm | cat: are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
| 05:31.53 | streuner | sarge |
| 05:31.54 | cat | sarge |
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| 05:31.56 | gpm | haha |
| 05:31.57 | gpm | thanks |
| 05:31.57 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 05:31.59 | x3n0 | hmm |
| 05:32.01 | Haris | I'm new to debian |
| 05:32.01 | x3n0 | yeah |
| 05:32.05 | x3n0 | I just went the xfree86 |
| 05:32.21 | Haris | I have 2 ISOs showing up on linuxiso.org for debian's latest release |
| 05:32.25 | x3n0 | went to vga |
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| 05:32.29 | Haris | but on ftp://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/, I have multiple files |
| 05:32.35 | x3n0 | added in higher resolutions |
| 05:32.36 | x3n0 | but didn't work |
| 05:32.37 | streuner | !d-i Haris |
| 05:32.37 | dpkg | Haris, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:32.43 | Haris | debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso upto debian-31r2-i386-binary-14.iso |
| 05:32.49 | punsad | Haris: you just need one cd to install it |
| 05:32.49 | gpm | x3n0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 05:32.55 | Kinks | x3n0: what card do you have on your system? |
| 05:32.58 | x3n0 | correct |
| 05:33.01 | Haris | punsad: Which one. |
| 05:33.01 | gpm | x3n0: select higher resolution, restart X? |
| 05:33.02 | pourriture_ | Haris, use the netinst ... don't dl full |
| 05:33.07 | punsad | Haris: disc1 |
| 05:33.10 | x3n0 | Kinks: Onboard video I imagine, its a laptop |
| 05:33.15 | x3n0 | gpm: How do i restart x? |
| 05:33.17 | Kinks | x3n0: *what* onboard video? |
| 05:33.21 | Haris | pourriture_: I have a brand new box, packed. nothing on it |
| 05:33.25 | gpm | x3n0: ctl-alt-backspace |
| 05:33.26 | x3n0 | kinks: IBM Thinkpad A20p |
| 05:33.30 | punsad | Haris: listen to pourriture_ |
| 05:33.34 | Haris | Ok. |
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| 05:33.51 | streuner | !d-i Haris |
| 05:33.51 | dpkg | Haris, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:34.02 | Haris | streuner: Thankyou |
| 05:34.10 | streuner | !tell Haris about ig |
| 05:34.40 | punsad | pourriture_: you mentioned you like grip... I remember when I got 'jack' to work.. it was great... you just put the CD in and type jack with some options and it just rips the CD and adds mp3tags... |
| 05:35.25 | pourriture_ | punsad, yup ... grip is much the same ... gets info from freedb and all |
| 05:35.32 | gpm | cat: you have the appropriate nvidia-kernel? |
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| 05:36.53 | pourriture_ | punsad, grip is literally single click ... and it does artist title album ... all with no config |
| 05:37.22 | gpm | though, of course, ripping CDs is shady behavior these days... |
| 05:37.22 | pourriture_ | punsad, it even gets most of my audio books |
| 05:38.12 | pourriture_ | I go to the public library and check out 4 music cd's and one audiobook every 3 or 4 days and rip them |
| 05:38.17 | punsad | pourriture_: that was the thing with jack... it took a lot of configuration in some cases... but the think I really liked about it is that it was commandline... I pretty much run a headless server and I really am biased toward commandline |
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| 05:39.21 | cat | ok im using X now, |
| 05:39.28 | cat | but i wonder why the windows from X are so huge, |
| 05:39.45 | Kinks | cat: I believe that's called low resolution |
| 05:39.53 | pourriture_ | punsad, I can sympathize ... most of my boxes are svgalib commandline ... but my entertainment machine has x and windowmaker ... I rip cds there and rsync them to my music server |
| 05:39.53 | sep | cat, what resolutin are you useing ? |
| 05:40.18 | cat | how can i see what resolution i'm using? |
| 05:40.27 | Kinks | I wish I could think of a cat when I see "cat" and not the bloody util |
| 05:40.32 | punsad | pourriture_: if you like I podcasts... I reccomend peapod. Unfortunately... its not in debian (at least not in sarge) |
| 05:40.48 | Haris | Thankyou folks |
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| 05:40.49 | gpm | Kinks: word man, i'm feeling your pain |
| 05:40.51 | cat | lol |
| 05:40.59 | cat | how can i see my resolution that i'm using right now? |
| 05:41.07 | pourriture_ | punsad, never done a podcast at all |
| 05:41.16 | Kinks | cat: uh you can install gvidm and check out what it shows |
| 05:41.27 | Kinks | cat: aside from that I honestly don't know |
| 05:41.29 | punsad | pourriture_: oh.. I mean listen to them... not broadcast them |
| 05:41.33 | cat | ok |
| 05:41.34 | cat | let me check |
| 05:41.43 | sep | cat you can also look at what you put in your configfile |
| 05:41.45 | Kinks | well I can think of other ways but they're by no means less painful |
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| 05:42.09 | punsad | pourriture_: figured if you are a fan of audiobooks, you might like podcasts |
| 05:42.14 | sneex | anyone remember that weird Dont Panic face that Debian stuck out in the logs when it was time to panic? |
| 05:42.14 | cat | 800x600 75 HZ |
| 05:42.17 | pourriture_ | punsad, that is what I meant too ... I have never listened to a podcast |
| 05:42.21 | Kinks | cat: well there you go |
| 05:42.36 | gpm | cat: yeah, that's a small resolution |
| 05:42.48 | cat | oh |
| 05:42.51 | gpm | cat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-{xorg|xfree86} |
| 05:42.55 | cat | ok |
| 05:42.59 | cat | and what do i put? |
| 05:43.05 | pourriture_ | punsad, but I will upon your recommendation of the format |
| 05:43.10 | Kinks | cat: at -least- 1024x768, what's your screen size? |
| 05:43.12 | gpm | cat: whatever the highest resolution your screen can do... |
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| 05:43.59 | wy | how can I change DOS format text files into unix's with a batch command? |
| 05:44.09 | pourriture_ | punsad, but I will upon your recommendation of the format |
| 05:44.12 | sep | dos2unix ? |
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| 05:44.44 | sep | !dos2unix |
| 05:44.45 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 05:44.59 | punsad__ | pourriture_:woops... got disconnected... had to reset my wireless router |
| 05:45.37 | punsad__ | pourriture_: you requested a reccomendation of format? I missed it |
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| 05:46.13 | pourriture_ | punsad, just picked up another wireless router myself today ... WRT54GC ... office depot is selling them for $19.98 ... gonna openwrt it |
| 05:46.29 | wy | sep: Thank you very much! |
| 05:46.37 | gpm | o/o all. have a good evening. |
| 05:46.39 | gpm | or day |
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| 05:46.50 | sep | good morning! |
| 05:46.56 | myboxen | gracias pourriture_, worked perfectly |
| 05:46.56 | CaT[tm] | I'm a probably needlessly confused individual |
| 05:46.59 | CaT[tm] | is it proper to access lvms via /dev/vg/lv or should I use /dev/mapper/vg-lv? |
| 05:47.00 | pourriture_ | punsad, I was saying that I haven't tried out podcasts yet ... but I will since you mention that it is good for audiobooks |
| 05:47.31 | sep | CaT[tm], both works. i prefer the first myself, but i dont know whitch is officialy prefered |
| 05:47.42 | pourriture_ | myboxen, what did I suggest that worked ... I have to record this date for posterity |
| 05:47.46 | punsad__ | pourriture_: I spend a lot of time in the car and I have listened to so many things... books, language lessons... now I'm into podcasts |
| 05:47.58 | CaT[tm] | sep: yeah. debian seems to use the latter during install but the latter gets real ugly once you start using snapshots. |
| 05:48.14 | sep | pourriture_, i'v heard radios meantinon podcast .. isn't it just a glorified way of saying, you can download a mp3 of the program ? |
| 05:48.38 | cat | what's the normal resolution so i can put |
| 05:48.49 | myboxen | the two mail sites to go and read |
| 05:48.50 | punsad__ | sep: yes... but since it uses rss - you can automate the process of downloading |
| 05:48.51 | cat | on my config |
| 05:48.58 | streuner | dondelelcaro: ALT key or ALT meta? |
| 05:49.01 | sep | cat, there is no _normal_ resolution. it's usualy the biggest your screen can handle. or the one your most comfortable with |
| 05:49.23 | myboxen | degantyll: thanks to you as well, the gpg tip cleared up the warnings |
| 05:49.24 | dondelelcaro | streuner: it's alt, but it's assigned to mod1 |
| 05:49.25 | cat | what is it 1024x86? |
| 05:49.27 | cat | or something like that |
| 05:49.29 | sep | cat, if it's a LCD those have 1 good resolution, and you check the docs or the box to find those |
| 05:49.29 | punsad__ | pourriture_: there are a number of linux podcasts.. though I find them lame |
| 05:49.42 | myboxen | pourriture_: the mail web sites you mentioned to go and read. |
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| 05:50.40 | sep | cat i use 1280x1024 on my right monitor and 1152x864 on my left |
| 05:50.43 | pourriture_ | myboxen, wolson is a good guy ... you can find him in #qmr ... he is a good friend of mine and very helpful with mail stuff |
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| 05:51.00 | sep | cat: if you told you your screen size we might give better hints |
| 05:51.13 | cat | sep: wait |
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| 05:51.30 | pourriture_ | punsad, I mostly listen to fiction audiobooks ... I have to have real text infront of me if it is information |
| 05:51.36 | sep | darn.. i was put on hold :) |
| 05:51.37 | cat | resolution 720x400 70 Hz optimum 1280X1024 60hZ |
| 05:52.07 | pourriture_ | 720x400 ... what is that an atari 2600 port of debian? |
| 05:52.11 | pourriture_ | just kidding |
| 05:52.17 | cat | nope it's a dell |
| 05:52.20 | sep | cat is that an lcd ? |
| 05:52.21 | vik | Is there any way to monitor which process/s are using the filesystem/disk? Kind like top for the fs? |
| 05:52.25 | cat | yeah |
| 05:52.28 | punsad__ | pourriture_: understood.. |
| 05:52.32 | sep | vik lsof |
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| 05:52.57 | sep | vik, only lists wat are used tho not topish more like ps ish |
| 05:53.00 | punsad__ | vik: lsof (?) lists open files |
| 05:53.12 | cat | sep so what do i put for resolution 720x400 right? |
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| 05:53.27 | sep | cat, no 1280x1024 |
| 05:53.33 | pourriture_ | cat ... what model dell is it? |
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| 05:54.23 | pourriture_ | sep ... have you already established that he can do 1280? ... if so I will go back to drinking and butt out |
| 05:54.24 | cat | Dell e173fp |
| 05:54.48 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.01 | cat | that was my monitors menu |
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| 05:55.40 | sep | cat, it just means your monitor is most happy at 1280x1024 at 60hz so reconfigure to use that |
| 05:55.46 | cat | 1280X1024 with 720X400 |
| 05:56.03 | cat | Modes "800x600" "640x480" |
| 05:56.08 | cat | that's what i have on my config right now |
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| 05:56.17 | deadcat | dual mon? |
| 05:56.23 | streuner | no |
| 05:56.33 | deadcat | oh |
| 05:56.44 | deadcat | i better jump out of this conversation (= |
| 05:56.46 | sep | !drxx cat |
| 05:56.46 | dpkg | cat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:57.10 | cat | i've done that |
| 05:57.11 | pourriture_ | Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 05:57.12 | cat | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:57.12 | streuner | he want 3D in nvidia videocard (FX 5200), running sarge |
| 05:57.21 | pourriture_ | I think |
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| 05:57.55 | sep | cat, have you touched your configfile with a text editor |
| 05:58.01 | sep | !xmd5 cat |
| 05:58.10 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 05:58.10 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 05:58.18 | pourriture_ | http://memphisinmay.org/site.asp?cid=33&PID=1&QLID=10&title=world%20championship%20barbecue%20cooking%20contest |
| 05:58.23 | cat | ok |
| 05:58.25 | cat | that's better |
| 05:58.32 | johnsu01 | I'm running sarge on an xbox (with a few special packages from xebian). Uptime was 3 months until I rebooted yesterday, and now X won't start. I get No V_BIOS and Invalid Mem Allocation errors with the nvxbox driver. |
| 05:58.36 | pourriture_ | that is where I am going to be next week and I am cooking |
| 05:58.49 | johnsu01 | X here is still XFree86. |
| 05:58.52 | pourriture_ | hope to be able to upload photos |
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| 05:59.47 | johnsu01 | Any ideas about what might cause the memory allocation errors? |
| 05:59.57 | punsad__ | johnsu01: can't help you with that... but I'm curious of how fast linux was on the xbox. How'd you like it? sounds like you've got some problems now |
| 06:00.23 | myren | any repos i can nab for aiglx stuff? |
| 06:00.47 | johnsu01 | punsad__: I've had some problems with X, but otherwise I've enjoyed having it as my home media server. I run gnump3d, mpd, and mythfrontend on it. |
| 06:00.49 | streuner | johnsu01: well, 3 months uptime *and* not enough RAM? |
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| 06:01.33 | johnsu01 | streuner: ? |
| 06:01.57 | streuner | try another kernel and get more RAM |
| 06:02.22 | rredd4 | what stuff do I put into "interfaces" so that my wlan0 will work on boot up? I have to type 3 commands now to get it to work. |
| 06:02.38 | rredd4 | cannot find it on google |
| 06:02.50 | johnsu01 | streuner: Can't add more RAM, it's non-expandable. This setup was working previously, so it should be fixable. |
| 06:02.56 | rredd4 | using ndiswrapper |
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| 06:04.49 | dererk | rredd4, echo ndiswrapper > /etc/modules ; configure your /etc/network/interfaces with the corresponding parameters |
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| 06:04.58 | pourriture_ | punsad__ no fair ... oregon is 3 timezones away .. and I have been drinking ... but I do love the beers and the pinot noir from that part of the world |
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| 06:05.45 | rredd4 | derek ok, ty! |
| 06:06.33 | punsad__ | pourriture_: I luv it here... :) |
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| 06:07.33 | pourriture_ | punsad__, it is the only other state that has a town named McMinnville ... I grew up in McMinnville Tennessee |
| 06:07.40 | punsad__ | pourriture_: Linus lives not too far from me :) a friend of mine has a job in the same building where OSDL is |
| 06:07.53 | pourriture_ | but I live in charleston sc now |
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| 06:08.10 | punsad__ | pourriture_: I hear good things about sc |
| 06:09.24 | punsad__ | well... enough fun for me on irc tonight... later... |
| 06:09.27 | pourriture_ | punsad__, the water is warm and the roe shrimp are running right now ... I am 4 miles from the docks ... I can start a pot of water boiling and get back home just in time to throw the shrimp in |
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| 06:12.55 | itguy | have anyone used smoothwall with debian? or any other suggestion please? |
| 06:13.47 | pourriture_ | itguy, smoothwall is a standalone install ... I use ipcop which is a similar project |
| 06:14.08 | gethat | where can i find perl.so ? |
| 06:14.09 | johnsu01 | well, how about that. It just didn't like "xsetroot -solid black" in ~/.xinitrc. |
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| 06:14.19 | rredd4 | derek: when I nano /etc/modules it says ndiswrapper so do I type in ndiswrapper in interfaces? |
| 06:14.30 | pourriture_ | itguy, as in you can't install smoothwall on top of debian |
| 06:14.44 | itguy | pourriture_: so i can use ipcop with debian |
| 06:14.56 | itguy | right |
| 06:15.02 | sneex | anyone remember that weird Dont Panic face that Debian stuck out in the logs when it was time to panic? |
| 06:15.10 | pourriture_ | itguy, both are standalone ... dedicated boxes |
| 06:15.40 | itguy | pourriture_: hmmmm, any suggestion on what i can use with debian...please |
| 06:16.08 | pourriture_ | itguy, if you want a local machine firewall I might suggest looking at iptablesrocks.org |
| 06:17.15 | itguy | pourriture_: thank you sir ;) |
| 06:17.49 | rredd4 | do I type "ndiswrapper" in interfaces to get wlan0 to work on boot up? |
| 06:17.54 | pourriture_ | itguy, smoothwall and ipcop and m0n0wall are router projects ... not a firewall for a machine that has another purpose |
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| 06:19.27 | pourriture_ | myboxen, you are back |
| 06:19.42 | myboxen | yes |
| 06:19.51 | Tallu | I'm looking for a program to limit network traffic per user or per process, something similar to netlimiter in windows if you are familiar with that. Any suggestions? Running sarge as a small server and I'd like to limit the amount of bandwitdth a certain user can hog |
| 06:19.52 | myboxen | sorry, bouncing in and out a bit |
| 06:20.15 | pourriture_ | myboxen, think about joining #qmr for email related goodness |
| 06:20.31 | sep | Tallu, iptables mark on users, tc, shape on marks |
| 06:20.49 | myboxen | pourriture_: who in there was I supposed to look for? |
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| 06:21.01 | sep | Tallu, if it's a webserver apache have built in limiting |
| 06:21.18 | myboxen | hehe |
| 06:21.25 | myboxen | ive been to most of those sites |
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| 06:21.47 | myboxen | I even wrote many of the articles on hostinghacks |
| 06:21.50 | pourriture_ | myboxen, just hang out and listen and learn ... it is slow at night ... but good chat during the day |
| 06:21.52 | Tallu | sep: Hehe sorry, I'm relatively new to linux. Okay I'll look up iptables, thanks. |
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| 06:22.08 | itguy | good night all |
| 06:22.12 | myboxen | gnight itguy |
| 06:22.29 | cat | a |
| 06:22.42 | sep | Tallu, http://lartc.org/ have more |
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| 06:23.01 | Usiu | Hi |
| 06:23.11 | Tallu | sep: okay, I'll have a look at those |
| 06:23.11 | Usiu | Whats the correct place for libexec dir? |
| 06:23.14 | Usiu | in debian |
| 06:23.17 | pourriture_ | goint to bed ... I thought everyone had a laptop next to the bed so that irc and xmms would be available at a moments notice |
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| 06:23.37 | myboxen | i do |
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| 06:24.11 | pourriture_ | Usiu, updatedb .... locate -i libexec? |
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| 06:24.23 | pourriture_ | just a stab in the dark |
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| 06:27.02 | zu22 | does linux 2.4.18 kernel support dvd writers? i wanna buy a dvd writer for playing dvds on my laptop and doing system backups, what is a good debian package for playing dvds and burning dvds? my laptop only has usb1 port so will xfer speed be a problem? |
| 06:27.53 | myren | how do i pin ubuntu dapper? no on in #ubuntu knows shit. :/ |
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| 06:28.19 | myren | whats the Pin: ? like o=Ubuntu,a=Dapper? |
| 06:28.37 | chealer | myren: are you using Debian? |
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| 06:28.49 | chealer | zu22: which release do you use? |
| 06:29.06 | zu22 | chealer: i will be using unstable |
| 06:29.16 | myren | chealer: yes |
| 06:29.51 | chealer | zu22: ouch. Linux 2.4.18 is not in unstable anymore since a long time ago |
| 06:30.24 | sep | zu22, depends, dvd+rw-tools, yes |
| 06:30.35 | chealer | myren: would you mind explaining why you're planning to pin ubuntu dapper on a Debian system? |
| 06:31.12 | sep | myren, mixing packeg from ubuntu no debian is likely to break, unless you know _exactly_ what you are doing |
| 06:31.16 | myren | sure, i need nxlib packages, and i need compwiz |
| 06:31.22 | myren | dude, i fuck with experimental regularly |
| 06:31.35 | pourriture_ | chealer, 2.4.18 is not even in stable is it? |
| 06:31.47 | chealer | pourriture_: no. I believe it's in oldstable |
| 06:31.55 | myren | sure, me not magically knowing the ubuntu release info is a bad sign, but ubuntu does its very best to make sure users can never possibly know that info |
| 06:32.07 | pourriture_ | chealer, ok ... you said unstable ... that threw me |
| 06:32.10 | sep | myren, then it would be pointless foe me to try to tell an experienced user like yourself how to pin |
| 06:32.37 | chealer | myren: what's compwiz? |
| 06:33.05 | myren | why cant people just admit they dont fucking know shit |
| 06:33.09 | myren | i do know how to pin |
| 06:33.10 | myren | note the q |
| 06:33.22 | sep | myren, tha's what i just said. you know more then me |
| 06:33.22 | chealer | myren: please watch your language |
| 06:33.25 | myren | 01:32 < myren> whats the Pin: ? like o=Ubuntu,a=Dapper? |
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| 06:34.16 | pourriture_ | myren, I don't know fucking shit and I am able to admit it ... I am working hard at changing that status tho |
| 06:34.16 | myren | bah, fuck language. its after hours and before hours in all good places. |
| 06:34.32 | myren | you werent giving me crap |
| 06:34.50 | myren | i have no wrath against you |
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| 06:35.45 | pwk | i have a debian system here on a server which is running in 64bit mode, yet almost all binaries (installed programmes) are 32bit binaries, is something severly messed up? |
| 06:36.19 | cafuego | pwk: Is it pulling in 386 packages? |
| 06:36.21 | sep | myren, could this post be of aid ? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93931&page=2 (apologizes if it's not) |
| 06:36.22 | pwk | the problem I currently have is that gcc is 32bit, so I can't build a 64bit kernel :( |
| 06:36.32 | pwk | cafuego, x86 at least, yes |
| 06:36.47 | cafuego | pwk: No, packages. not arch. |
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| 06:36.51 | cafuego | i386 or not? |
| 06:37.21 | pwk | cafuego, I just apt-getted g++, and file /usr/bin/g++-3.3 says /usr/bin/g++-3.3: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386 |
| 06:37.26 | biosnew | want to update the BIOS in my intel Mobo. But there are only selections of RH, SUse and Novell Linux. Anyone have done this before? |
| 06:37.32 | pwk | other than that you need to tell me how I gather the data to answer you better, cafuego |
| 06:37.48 | sep | pwk, do you have more then 4GB of RAM ? i find it easier ni 9 times out of 10 to jsut run 32 bit. since on <4 GB ram the performance difference is not worth the hassle |
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| 06:38.18 | cafuego | sep: In fact, for desktop it's slower, yes. |
| 06:38.23 | pwk | sep, I am already running 64bit and was not about to change it. I would rather just make debian pull 64bit binaries |
| 06:38.31 | pourriture_ | OK ... so I do give crap |
| 06:38.34 | cafuego | pwk: What is the output of `uname -m' ? |
| 06:38.44 | pwk | cafuego, x86_64 |
| 06:39.19 | myren | pourriture_: dont worry, tossing feces is a sometimes modus operandi of any linux channel. you learn to wade. |
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| 06:39.30 | sep | pwk, you can use the amd64 port. but.... i do not think you can just dist-upgrade there. i think reinstall is the only way to migrate |
| 06:39.31 | cafuego | pwk: apd `apt-cache show g++ | grep filename' |
| 06:39.59 | cafuego | sep: According to uname he's on a 64bit kernel |
| 06:40.08 | sep | cafuego, but on a 32bit user he said. |
| 06:40.25 | cafuego | sep: Yes, which strikes me as very strange. |
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| 06:40.36 | biosnew | has anyone ever update bios of their PC while running debian? |
| 06:40.52 | sep | cafuego, you can run 64bit kernel on 32 bit user. altho that too is not much point in (unless you have more then 4GB ram ) |
| 06:40.57 | pwk | cafuego, I dont have apd, the grepped apt-cache is Filename: pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/g++_3.3.5-3_i386.deb |
| 06:41.20 | sep | pwk, i think #debian-amd64 would have better answers to your questions tho. |
| 06:41.35 | cafuego | sep: Yes, but I expect that really only works if you install a 32bit system to begin with and add a 64bit kernel, no? |
| 06:41.42 | sep | cafuego, aye |
| 06:42.09 | pwk | cafuego, the problem is 32bit gcc wont compile a 64bit kernel. I don't know HOW the machine got into this state, but I certainly cant update the kernel (and I need to :() |
| 06:42.15 | solid_liq | biosnew: you may have to use a DOS bootdisk, like freedos, to install the BIOS update. Worked for me |
| 06:42.24 | cafuego | pwk: I think your best bet is to save all data, then do a fresh full 64bit install (or not worry about it) |
| 06:42.37 | sep | pwd perhapy you installed a kernel image from the amd64 port ? |
| 06:42.45 | cafuego | pwk: Well, you could "update" to a 32bit kernel |
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| 06:43.16 | sep | pwd you can just compile a 32bit kernel or use a 32 bit kernel-image. or even a updated 64bit kernel image from amd64 (notrecomeneded) |
| 06:43.18 | pwk | cafuego, isn't it possible to tell debian to get 64bit binaries somehow? |
| 06:43.32 | biosnew | solid_liq: that is a later stage. right now, when i want to download the file, i notice the are selections for RH, SUse and Novell. Which OS do u choose? |
| 06:43.37 | cafuego | pwk: I'm not sure if you could simply install 64bit apckages over the top of the 32bit ones, but my instinct tells me that would end in tears. |
| 06:43.50 | cafuego | pwk: I don't think so, see 'end in tears'. |
| 06:43.52 | sep | pwk, you can do a reinstall to 64bit, perhaps with debtakeover |
| 06:44.17 | sep | pwk, if you mix 32 adn 64 bit binaries youll break your system. |
| 06:44.31 | solid_liq | biosnew: oh cool, I'd probably choose redhat because it's more likely to be compatible |
| 06:44.33 | sep | pwk, the 64 bit binaries wont be able to use your 23 bit libs |
| 06:44.54 | pwk | so how do you suggest I get iptables support into my kernel? |
| 06:45.08 | biosnew | solid_liq: which was it when u do it? |
| 06:45.11 | solid_liq | blech, who needs 23 bit libs anyhow? :D |
| 06:45.13 | cafuego | pwk: I suggest installing a shiny debian 32bit kernel. |
| 06:45.27 | solid_liq | biosnew: mine only had versions available for DOS/windows |
| 06:45.28 | sep | cafuego, not in the normal 32bit chroot on 64 bit user way ? but directly in ? |
| 06:45.35 | pwk | cafuego, like apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp |
| 06:45.49 | solid_liq | biosnew: so that's why I had to use freedos |
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| 06:45.57 | cafuego | pwk: No, kernel-image-2.6.8-11-k7-smp |
| 06:46.06 | sep | pwk, that's not a 23 bit kernel :) |
| 06:46.12 | cafuego | pwk: Get both the kernel and userland on 32bit. |
| 06:46.12 | solid_liq | :D |
| 06:46.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:46.21 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:46.28 | solid_liq | such an old kernel version! :D |
| 06:46.29 | bucky | pwk: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 06:46.48 | solid_liq | I'd rather build my own kernels, such as 2.6.16.16 :D |
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| 06:47.19 | sep | solid_liq, problem is you'd never get any work done, since youd have to upgrade kernel all the time :) |
| 06:47.22 | bucky | solid_liq: most people can't figure out how to install amd64 let alone compile a kernel |
| 06:47.22 | pwk | solid_liq, I am currently running a 2.6.16.15, 64bit. But I can't change it :( |
| 06:47.34 | sep | solid_liq, much like sitting on irc..... ;/ |
| 06:47.44 | cafuego | pwk: The thing is, although you say you have a 64bit system, you''ve in fact got a 32bit system that happens to be running a 64bit kernel. |
| 06:47.48 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 06:47.49 | biosnew | solid_liq: ah, on further look, there is a 'all operating system' in the selection menu. i'll go for that. another problem is the floppy. i have actually removed it fr my system. can it be done fr cdrw? |
| 06:47.57 | pourriture_ | LOL true words sep |
| 06:47.58 | pwk | cafuego, I have things like /lib64 |
| 06:48.07 | solid_liq | I meant latest stable, and 2.6.16 is going to be maintained for a long time |
| 06:48.14 | cafuego | pwk: Are there any 64bit libraries actually in there? |
| 06:48.20 | pwk | cafuego, yes |
| 06:48.36 | solid_liq | but I hate rebooting/shutting down, so I don't change kernels often |
| 06:48.42 | cafuego | pwk: So what happen when you force install gcc amd64? |
| 06:48.47 | solid_liq | although with kexec().... :D |
| 06:48.52 | sep | pwk, are you running a mixed system without knowing how it became like that ? |
| 06:48.52 | pwk | cafuego, show me how and I'll tell ya |
| 06:48.59 | pwk | sep, yes. |
| 06:49.09 | sep | pwk, reinstall :) |
| 06:49.09 | cafuego | pwk: it may break stuff, so i'd rather not. |
| 06:49.39 | cafuego | pwk: I agree with sep, do a fresh install. Either 64 or 32, not a mix. |
| 06:49.47 | pwk | :( |
| 06:50.07 | sep | pwk, you could even do a debtakover from what you currently run |
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| 06:50.49 | pourriture_ | THANKS |
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| 06:51.22 | mse | hey, how come when i was configuring X, it said that the config file is config'd by hand |
| 06:51.29 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 06:51.30 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 06:51.33 | cafuego | 64bit desktop is more hassle than it's worth |
| 06:51.38 | mse | i see |
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| 06:52.10 | sep | cafuego, indeed :) |
| 06:53.04 | pourriture_ | cafuego, do you remember when the 32-bit pentium 60 came out ... it was the same thing ... better off running the fast 16bit 486 dx-2 |
| 06:53.14 | pourriture_ | or am I showing my age |
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| 06:53.30 | sep | pourriture_, :) |
| 06:54.18 | cafuego | pourriture_: At that point I was doing video editing on m68040 macintoshes and just laughed at the wfw3.11 Pentiums running WordPerfect |
| 06:54.31 | sep | fiend, lucky you :) |
| 06:54.50 | trenka | pourriture_: 16 bit? |
| 06:54.52 | fiend | heh, it's my own personal doom box |
| 06:55.59 | pourriture_ | cafuego, I quit mac os at system 7 ... but I just installed tiger on a spare g-4 at work ... and am becoming a mac guy again (kinda) |
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| 06:56.49 | pourriture_ | my first computer was an apple ][+ in 1980 ... I was 10 |
| 06:57.02 | hyde | what's the command line for lsof to list all PIPE files currently opened by some process? |
| 06:57.04 | sep | my first cpu was a MOS 6510 of a staggering 1Mhz. |
| 06:57.22 | cafuego | pourriture_: I used macs and Linux on a lot of hardware, mainly at uni. Didn't have an actual own pc until 1997 (SMP P2/300) |
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| 06:59.04 | sep | and it still works. and have survived all other comoputers i have owned since then :) |
| 06:59.25 | myren | /w/win 23/win 2[B |
| 06:59.27 | myren | sorry |
| 06:59.57 | cafuego | although i've had to put the innards in a different case and add a few 80G drives :-) |
| 07:00.05 | sep | cafuego, i have a dual p2 300Mhz that needs a caring home. interested ? :) |
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| 07:00.20 | pourriture_ | sep, cafuego ... I still have my apple ][+ at my parents house and delight in playing wizardy on it when I visit |
| 07:00.31 | cafuego | sep: Mine lives in a shed, where nobody can hear its jet-like whine. |
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| 07:00.45 | cafuego | pourriture_: Yes, I have one of those sitting in the next room. |
| 07:00.56 | cafuego | sep: I don't want _more_ of them! |
| 07:01.12 | sep | cafuego, i can't bear the thougt of disposing it... |
| 07:01.29 | cafuego | sep: Put it somewhere soundproof with cat5 ;-) |
| 07:01.34 | sep | cafuego, it have ~1GB of ram ... in about 20 modules. |
| 07:02.10 | pourriture_ | guy who lives across the street from me has 2 lisas in his garage ... but he is the guy that you say hello to and he has to have a 6 hour conversation with you ... so I stay away |
| 07:02.27 | callee | cafuego: i had a passively cooled p3 500 once |
| 07:02.32 | cafuego | sep: <heh> mine can only handle 512Mb |
| 07:02.34 | sep | i have tried giging it away but nobody wants. i finaly had tho get rid of it's older brother the quad P1 160 :/ it still hurts, but i needed the floorspace |
| 07:02.35 | atrus | i just acquired a joystick ][e :) i'd love to get it running under linux if possible. |
| 07:02.40 | callee | should be easy to silence yours |
| 07:02.56 | cafuego | callee: Not unless I want to start a fire |
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| 07:03.23 | callee | cafuego: max temperature of the cpu was 55C |
| 07:03.29 | cafuego | callee: They're two slot-1 CPUs with two fans each, and they /still/ get hot. |
| 07:03.54 | callee | callee: well, i only had one, but a nice cooler without fan was not any problem |
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| 07:04.22 | sep | problem is that it uses so much power it's cheaper to buy a micro pc, then get thisone for free. it will be faster, have more storage and be a lot quieter too :/ |
| 07:04.22 | callee | cafuego: i reduced core voltage to 1,8V |
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| 07:05.11 | pourriture_ | I also have a mac se and an adp to ethernet connector .... I would love to setup a slip account to get shell on my linux box ... but I can't find a way to right the 800k floppies to put the slip software on it |
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| 07:05.21 | pourriture_ | right = write |
| 07:05.45 | Gokee2 | Hello, I just bought a 250 GB hard drive and made one partition that took up the whole drive with cfdisk. Next I formated the drive with "/sbin/mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdg1" Now if I look in cfdisk it says its a 250,056.74 MB partition. However if I mount the drive it shows up as 230 GB drive with 129 MB used and only 118 GB available 1% used. (I have put nothing onto the drive) Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem? Or why its happening? |
| 07:05.57 | rredd4 | pourriture: mac se.. wow... it still works? |
| 07:06.05 | rredd4 | use to fix them |
| 07:07.22 | sid | Gokee2: There is no problem. |
| 07:07.30 | sid | Gokee2: Don't worry about it. |
| 07:08.00 | cafuego | pourriture_: Use a normal external scsi cd drive! |
| 07:08.00 | Gokee2 | sid? eh? I have been shorted 20 GBs |
| 07:08.13 | cafuego | pourriture_: or a scsi zip 100 |
| 07:08.15 | pourriture_ | rredd4, if when you say it still works you mean that it boots and I can play a-train and glider ... yes ... if you mean that it has slip software and I can get shell on a *nix box and write the great american novel in vi ... then no |
| 07:08.20 | solid_liq | Gokee2: do yourself a favor and redo the drive with LVM |
| 07:08.26 | tarzeau | Silent_al: try df -H (or -si) |
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| 07:08.43 | Gokee2 | solid_liq, ok whats LVM? |
| 07:08.44 | tarzeau | Gokee2: that was for you |
| 07:09.11 | Gokee2 | tarzeau, I did it says "/dev/hdg1 230G 129M 218G 1% /mnt/hdg1" |
| 07:09.11 | solid_liq | Gokee2: the Logical Volume Manager. It's the best way to manage your storage |
| 07:09.26 | pourriture_ | cafuego, I hadn't thought of that ... will it recognize a 25-pin scsi zip without the software? |
| 07:09.49 | cafuego | pourriture_: As long as the disk is inserted when booting, yes... |
| 07:09.56 | Gokee2 | solid_liq, where do i get LVM? |
| 07:10.02 | travisat | d.nl m. C am yflcbi cb ekrpat oh no not again |
| 07:10.03 | pourriture_ | nice |
| 07:10.03 | tarzeau | Gokee2: our 500GB disk shows: /dev/sda5 493G 53G 415G 12% / respectively /dev/sda5 459G 49G 387G 12% / |
| 07:10.20 | solid_liq | Gokee2: look for the howto on debian.org |
| 07:10.21 | cafuego | pourriture_: the drive will soemtimes eject the disk during startup, you need to make sure you immediately push it back in, so the scsi device scan picks it up. |
| 07:10.36 | solid_liq | Gokee2: it has a small learning curve that you need the howto for |
| 07:10.39 | pourriture_ | cafuego, I will try it |
| 07:10.57 | solid_liq | Gokee2: but you can actually make an LVM partition span multiple drives |
| 07:11.34 | cafuego | pourriture_: They run NetBSD, no? |
| 07:11.43 | ram_ | dipankar? |
| 07:12.04 | EdLin | Gokee2: it's "command based" |
| 07:12.11 | pourriture_ | cafuego, yes ... but that is not the point ... I want system 7 and slip to linux |
| 07:13.12 | Gokee2 | Is there a non-command based program that would make my drive format to 250 GB? |
| 07:13.12 | cafuego | pourriture_: Blah. Just find an old quadra, plonk vicomsoft on and run ip over phonenet. |
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| 07:13.17 | EdLin | Gokee2: though maybe it isn't purely cli if you're using it in d-i |
| 07:13.32 | pourriture_ | Gokee2, ... windows ... |
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| 07:13.44 | Gokee2 | d-i? |
| 07:13.52 | EdLin | !d-i |
| 07:13.53 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 07:14.07 | Gokee2 | pourriture_, windows would give me a ble screen and blow up my hard drive |
| 07:14.08 | cafuego | pourriture_: ... which reminds me that I do indeed need to do that next month and rescue some data. |
| 07:15.09 | cafuego | Gokee2: Any reason fdisk is not good enough? |
| 07:15.17 | travisat | or cfdisk? |
| 07:15.20 | Gokee2 | Edis0n, you are saying I should install a new copy of debian in order to Partition a hard drive? |
| 07:15.28 | pourriture_ | Gokee2, http://freshmeat.net/projects/systemrescuecd/ |
| 07:15.31 | pourriture_ | :) |
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| 07:15.52 | travisat | Gokee2: um knoppix |
| 07:16.02 | Gokee2 | cafuego, I used cfdisk and my hard drive is shorted /dev/hdg1 230G 129M 218G 1% /mnt/hdg1 its a 250 GB drive with nothing on it |
| 07:16.23 | Gokee2 | I have debian running... why would I need knoppix? |
| 07:16.36 | cafuego | Gokee2: Does it give the same numbers if you run 'df' as root? |
| 07:16.51 | Gokee2 | cafuego, I have not tried as a user one sec |
| 07:16.56 | travisat | I am drinking, ignore my stupid comments |
| 07:17.14 | Gokee2 | cafuego, yes its the same numbers |
| 07:17.23 | pourriture_ | travisat, i am too ... lets drink and ignore each other |
| 07:17.45 | travisat | sounds good |
| 07:17.54 | EdLin | I'm drinking Mountain Dew, does that count? |
| 07:18.16 | travisat | was it born of natural ingredients? |
| 07:18.29 | cafuego | Gokee2: Well, part is that 250GB is not 250GiB (6GiB difference). There will be 5% reserved space for root probably (12GiB difference) |
| 07:18.42 | EdLin | travisat: yes, and so is nuclear waste |
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| 07:19.07 | cafuego | Gokee2: 12 + 6 =~ 18; 230 + 18 =~ 250; +/- some overhead. |
| 07:19.40 | Gokee2 | cafuego, How do I unreserve the space for root? and whats the 6 GB diff? |
| 07:19.42 | cafuego | Gokee2: Set the reserved blocks count and percentage to 0 (man tune2fs) then check again. |
| 07:19.45 | pourriture_ | Gokee2, yes .. your format looks right ... it is the diff between GB and GiB and the reserved space |
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| 07:20.02 | travisat | if you got the drive preinstalled in your computer, their might be another partition installed as windows backup |
| 07:20.10 | cafuego | Gokee2: The 6Gb is the difference between 1024 and 1000 |
| 07:20.10 | travisat | s/their/there |
| 07:20.29 | pourriture_ | travisat, we are not doing well at drinking quietly are we? |
| 07:20.44 | cafuego | Gokee2: a 250GB disk is seen by linux as 244GiB |
| 07:20.48 | travisat | I don't type loudly |
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| 07:21.08 | cafuego | Gokee2: The manufacturers use the 1000 factor, so the disk sounds like its larger. |
| 07:21.21 | cafuego | Gokee2: Physics uses the 1024 factor. |
| 07:21.27 | Gokee2 | right ok |
| 07:21.51 | travisat | isn't 230 enough anyway |
| 07:22.00 | pourriture_ | and 24 x whatever = the 6 gig diff you see |
| 07:22.04 | cafuego | This is why my 160GB disk shows up as 149GB |
| 07:22.05 | nicta | what is the command for copy partition data of different size |
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| 07:23.08 | EdLin | nicta: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:23.12 | Gokee2 | cafuego, Ok I used "tune2fs /dev/hdg -m 0" now it shows as "/dev/hdg1 230G 129M 230G 1% /mnt/hdg1" so still 20-6=14 short |
| 07:23.13 | zu22 | cafuego: how you doing man? you got a website yet? |
| 07:23.31 | pourriture_ | it is just like the method of penis size measurement that I give my wife ... it is 9" if I round to the nearest foot |
| 07:23.43 | cafuego | Gokee2: I imagine that's overhead plus the GB GiB difference. |
| 07:23.49 | zu22 | sep: thx |
| 07:23.51 | cafuego | zu22: i;'ve ahd websites for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaages! |
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| 07:23.59 | nicta | I want to copy a file system from 1GB (used 360MB) partition to 499MB partition |
| 07:24.07 | Gokee2 | cafuego, 14 GB OVERHEAD?? |
| 07:24.18 | zu22 | cafuego: oh heh, you got a site i can see with any debian stuff?:P |
| 07:24.34 | cafuego | zu22: Not really, ubuntu.cafuego.net? ;-) |
| 07:24.46 | zu22 | cafuego: ROFL |
| 07:25.03 | zu22 | cafuego: that cracked me up in channel TOPIC when i saw "*** THIS IS NOT UBUNTU ***" |
| 07:25.06 | zu22 | hahaha |
| 07:25.28 | cafuego | Gokee2: No, at least 6 of that is due to a difference in calculation. |
| 07:25.43 | EdLin | nicta: copying partition data is not the answer |
| 07:25.53 | Gokee2 | cafuego, ya... 20 missing minus 6 equals 14 |
| 07:26.05 | nicta | sorry, copy content of partition |
| 07:26.08 | cafuego | Gokee2: Did you also modify tune2fs -r 0 ? |
| 07:26.09 | travisat | nicta: cp |
| 07:26.09 | sep | Gokee2, why do you think scsi drives are sold as 73.8 GB instead of 80GB :) it's just the same platters just a different bus to the pc. |
| 07:27.04 | nicta | so "# cp -R /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1"?? |
| 07:27.08 | nicta | am i right? |
| 07:27.10 | travisat | uh no |
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| 07:27.59 | Gokee2 | cafuego, yes |
| 07:28.01 | nicta | I need to copy everything (hidden file, etc) from one cf card to second cf card |
| 07:28.14 | travisat | mount both. cp files |
| 07:28.26 | cafuego | Gokee2: Then i expect it's marketing 1024/1000 nonsense, as opposed to fdisk being broken. |
| 07:28.39 | nicta | do I need to use -R as well? |
| 07:28.48 | cht | how come two of my harddrives aren't recognized? 1 is connected to ata controller |
| 07:28.48 | travisat | if you want directories |
| 07:29.15 | nicta | I want to copy the whole file system on my CF1 to CF2, |
| 07:29.18 | cht | or i have to mount it manually? |
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| 07:29.49 | Gokee2 | cafuego, ya |
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| 07:30.08 | Gokee2 | cfdist reads it at 250,000.74 MB`s |
| 07:30.26 | travisat | nicta: what files are you worried about not being copied?, unless it is a very very unusual setup it should work if both are mounted, just cp the files over. if you must man cp |
| 07:30.27 | cafuego | Gokee2: And it says there is no free space? |
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| 07:30.53 | Gokee2 | cafuego, right |
| 07:30.54 | cafuego | Gokee2: Then it's just a difference in interpretation between the value of 'kilo' being 1000 vs 1024. |
| 07:30.55 | nicta | I make my problem clear, I got 1GB CF1 and 512MB CF2. the first 4MB is unknown partition ID 27, I want to copy every within the second partition from CF1 to CF2 |
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| 07:31.37 | cafuego | nicta: Mount them both, 'cd' to the source directory, 'cp -a * /mnt/point/of/other/one' |
| 07:31.57 | Gulligan | heya... i got an problem... i've recently started to notice commands in my bash_history file that i've not done... and there is only 1 person i've given out an shell account too... but he says he haven't logged in... just wondering if there is any way of checking the ip's pr hostnames of those who have logged in and when? |
| 07:32.34 | nicta | any command to shrink down a 1GB filesystem image to 512MB |
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| 07:32.52 | znh | Hello |
| 07:33.18 | znh | I am trying to compile an application. but I am getting this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz" |
| 07:34.06 | sep | nicta, safeway is make new 512 MB image, mkfs the new image. loopback mount both. copy over data. |
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| 07:34.47 | sep | nicta, or you can play with ersize tools for your chosen filesystem of the FS on the image |
| 07:34.57 | travisat | or parted |
| 07:35.02 | Gokee2 | cafuego, but 250,000/1024= 244........ thats the right math for the 1000 vs 1024... right? |
| 07:35.03 | nicta | I tried parted |
| 07:35.08 | nicta | doesn't work |
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| 07:35.15 | nicta | doesn't allow me to |
| 07:35.32 | travisat | I don't think you can resize partitions on cf cards |
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| 07:35.50 | sep | nicta, why can't you just copy the contents, why bother with resizing ? |
| 07:35.52 | shogunx | Gulligan last will give you that output. |
| 07:35.55 | nicta | Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk! |
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| 07:36.25 | nicta | how do I do the first solution you suggested? |
| 07:36.32 | nicta | mkfs, and loopback |
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| 07:37.02 | Gulligan | shogunx: anyway of checking the last 10 ? |
| 07:37.24 | shogunx | Gulligan, last|more |
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| 07:38.06 | Gulligan | shogunx: only showing the last one :S |
| 07:38.12 | travisat | nicta: this might bork your 2nd cf card, but you could dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb1 , assuming sda is first cf card and sdb is secend and partions are set in the correct order |
| 07:38.26 | nicta | en, it looks like loopback solution is similar to copy from disk 1 to disk 2 |
| 07:38.30 | Gulligan | shogunx: any application i can install to log it? |
| 07:38.38 | shogunx | Gulligan, look in /var/log |
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| 07:38.55 | shogunx | Gulligan, is therw wtmp? |
| 07:38.56 | smurf34m | hello guys...i have a question about libtiff.so.3 |
| 07:39.04 | Gulligan | yeah wtmp and wtmp1 |
| 07:39.15 | shogunx | Gulligan, and/or wtmp.1 ? |
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| 07:39.36 | Gulligan | there is 2 wtmp files... wtmp AND wtmp.1 |
| 07:39.48 | smurf34m | i'm using debian 3.1 and i need libtiff.so.3, i only have libtiff4.so in my system |
| 07:39.51 | shogunx | ahh. mv /var/log/wtmp /var/log/wtmp.back && mv /var/log/wtmp.1 .var.log.wtmp |
| 07:39.55 | smurf34m | how do i get libtiff.so.3 |
| 07:40.07 | shogunx | /var/log/wtmp |
| 07:40.16 | smurf34m | where do i get it? |
| 07:40.17 | shogunx | sorry. hit . instead of / |
| 07:40.49 | shogunx | then last will show the contents of (previously) /var/log/wtmp.1 |
| 07:41.00 | nicta | in this case, first disk partition 1 is 1GB and 2nd disk partition 2 is 499MB, and data missed problem? |
| 07:41.28 | travisat | smurf34m: you don't |
| 07:41.38 | shogunx | Gulligan, if there is a missing timeframe there, your host might have been comprimised, which would explain the extra history entries. |
| 07:41.50 | nicta | I try to dd the whole disk, it doesn't work, i guessed it is the same, since, only 360MB was used on 1GB card |
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| 07:42.08 | travisat | smurf34m: I lied, you probably can, but why do you need an older library |
| 07:42.10 | shogunx | Gulligan, to clarify the above mv /var/log/wtmp /var/log/wtmp.back && mv /var/log/wtmp.1 /var/log/wtmp && last|more |
| 07:42.16 | apikoros | why is ndiswrapper (nor ndiswrapper-source) not in etch? |
| 07:42.21 | nicta | device reply can't find kernel init() thing, |
| 07:42.40 | Gulligan | shogunx: yeah it worked as it should... thx |
| 07:42.59 | shogunx | Gulligan, n/p |
| 07:43.00 | Gokee2 | How would I find out if my stock debian kernel is compiled with LIRC support? |
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| 07:43.47 | apikoros | anyone? why is ndiswrapper not in testing? |
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| 07:43.57 | five0 | I'm using sid, and I'm afraid that hardening a desktop by way of a server-related guide would be a bad idea |
| 07:44.05 | threat | apikoros, licence issues probably |
| 07:44.09 | five0 | have any of you consulted any security guides for hardneing your system? |
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| 07:44.23 | travisat | apikoros: might be in non-free |
| 07:44.49 | travisat | apikoros: might not work so well also |
| 07:44.54 | smurf34m | travisat: i need it for wxWidgets app development i'm using wxDesigner and wxDesigner needs it |
| 07:44.56 | shogunx | five0 try nmap and nessus to scan you system to start, and plug any holes you find. |
| 07:45.09 | apikoros | travisat: willing to take my chances. how do i add non-free? which line in sources.list should i add it to? |
| 07:45.16 | Coweater | apikoros: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ndiswrapper |
| 07:45.48 | travisat | apikoros: what wifi card, might be a actual module for it |
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| 07:46.03 | apikoros | travisat: there isn't, trust me :) |
| 07:46.05 | seb- | apikoros: the one with main at the end |
| 07:46.17 | fraser | hi guys |
| 07:46.21 | travisat | apikoros: I don't trust anybody |
| 07:46.24 | shogunx | five0 then install bastille |
| 07:46.32 | fraser | i just installed debian as i said i planned to, but i'm having problems with my screen resolution |
| 07:46.41 | Coweater | apikoros: it's not in non-free, and you could check without "taking any chanecs" |
| 07:47.07 | apikoros | Coweater: how do you mean? |
| 07:47.18 | travisat | packages.debian.org |
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| 07:47.37 | five0 | shogunx: this has to be done on another machine? |
| 07:47.39 | fraser | who knows why my screen resolution won't go above 800x600 when it used to go all the way in ubunutu? |
| 07:47.42 | five0 | shogunx: the scans, that is |
| 07:47.44 | travisat | or /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 07:48.07 | schizoschaf | cfdisk says: "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition3: Partition ends in the final partial cyli" anyone knows what that means? |
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| 07:48.29 | shogunx | five0 its handy to do it on another box, as it lets you see your perimiter better, but you can scan against localhost. |
| 07:48.29 | pupilpc | 1 |
| 07:48.34 | pupilpc | ^X |
| 07:49.06 | shogunx | schizoschaf sounds like a borked partition table to me. |
| 07:49.26 | schizoschaf | shogunx, i have no clue what to do about it |
| 07:49.36 | schizoschaf | e2fsck does not help |
| 07:50.02 | shogunx | five0 don't be stingy on the iptables rules when plugging either. |
| 07:50.20 | shogunx | schizoschaf does the disk function? |
| 07:50.40 | five0 | shogunx: i've based mine on arno's rules |
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| 07:50.45 | five0 | but for a simpler network layout |
| 07:50.54 | fraser | who knows why my screen resolution won't go above 800x600 when it used to go all the way in ubunutu? |
| 07:51.00 | five0 | i.e. no forwarding |
| 07:51.27 | shogunx | five0 i tend to drop by default, and allow what ports i want. |
| 07:51.35 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.43 | travisat | fraser: give me you ip address and root password and I will tell you..........someday |
| 07:52.07 | fraser | sep, i am not using vesa, but i think i may have been last time? should i revert? |
| 07:52.20 | fraser | travisat, is that recommended practice? |
| 07:52.24 | travisat | no |
| 07:52.27 | sep | fraser, ubuntu is obviously promiscuous, while debian dont go all the way on the first date... |
| 07:52.28 | schizoschaf | shogunx, the disk seems to be working except for the part where id like to have a new partition. its in the middle |
| 07:52.50 | sep | fraser, you should identify your gfx card and use the correct module. |
| 07:53.05 | fraser | sep, lol, nice terminology, but is there a way i can revert to vesa wiithout re-runnning base-config? |
| 07:53.06 | shogunx | fraser vesa will normally give you 1024x768... 99% of the time. check your X configuration to allow higher resolutions with other drivers. |
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| 07:53.10 | travisat | fraser: you probably have your vsync or hs out of whack |
| 07:53.15 | sep | !drxx fraser |
| 07:53.15 | dpkg | fraser: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:53.24 | fraser | how can i change my X config? |
| 07:53.27 | tarzeau | how can i set disklabels (ext* and fat)? |
| 07:53.33 | sep | fraser, dpkg just told you how |
| 07:53.40 | tarzeau | mlabel wants a drive ? |
| 07:53.58 | fraser | sep, i don't know if i am using sserver-xfree86 or the other one |
| 07:54.00 | shogunx | schizoschaf gee, i do not know then. if you have a borked partition table, feel lucky it boots. |
| 07:54.20 | schizoschaf | ok thanks shogunx. |
| 07:54.39 | sep | fraser, dpkg -la | grep xserver |
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| 07:55.07 | erpo | rules at http://www.nerdfest.org/lh_rules.html before asking your question(s). |
| 07:55.07 | erpo | * #linuxhelp :[freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg |
| 07:55.07 | erpo | erpo Everyone knows the game where you have a window and a bunch of bricks and a ball and a paddle. When the ball hits the sides or top of the window or the paddle, it bounces. When it hits a brick, the brick disappears. When it hits |
| 07:55.29 | erpo | the bottom of the screen, the player loses. The player moves the paddle to play the game. Is there a free version of this game for Linux? |
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| 07:56.02 | erpo | Sorry about the messy paste. |
| 07:56.16 | erpo | Apparently xchat doesn't know the difference between PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD. |
| 07:56.21 | travisat | several |
| 07:56.45 | erpo | Names? |
| 07:56.59 | travisat | I like briquolo |
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| 07:58.52 | five0 | shogunx: which iptables in the kernel, at the very least, which options should be set |
| 07:59.01 | five0 | shogunx: s/which/with/ |
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| 08:02.05 | travisat | erpo: thats the only one I have installed at the time, I don't remember any other names |
| 08:02.31 | travisat | but I know they are there, I just uninstalled them |
| 08:02.41 | travisat | after I installed them |
| 08:02.45 | travisat | yeah |
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| 08:05.52 | smurf34m | i've downloaded libtiff3g_3.5.5-7_i386.deb wud that be the libtiff.so.3 that i need for wxDesigner? |
| 08:06.13 | smurf34m | if i install libtiff3g_3.5.5-7_i386.deb would that translate to libtiff.so.3? |
| 08:06.41 | fraser | sep, i just told the xserver config thingo that i had an ati card that could support the higher resolutions, and it still sint' displaying them in the "screen resolutions" panel |
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| 08:07.43 | sep | fraser, you wont see higer resolutions then what you configured your screen to handle. verify your sync/refreash values in the monitor sectino in dpkg-reconfiguer |
| 08:07.59 | smurf34m | i just got it thnx anyway :D |
| 08:08.08 | smurf34m | sori for stupid questions :D |
| 08:08.28 | fraser | sep, configured my screen? my screen is not been reconfig since i had ubuntu, |
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| 08:10.07 | fraser | sep, what package should i be trying to reconfigure? the xserver-xfree86? |
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| 08:10.27 | EdLin | !drxx fraser |
| 08:10.27 | dpkg | fraser: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:10.38 | znh | smurf34m, stupid questions dont exist ;) |
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| 08:12.11 | znh | err. dpkg is outdated with his information |
| 08:12.30 | EdLin | znh: in what way? |
| 08:12.39 | znh | "[or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]" XFree is old!, of course everyone is using X.org |
| 08:13.03 | EdLin | znh: I'm not, keep in mind that Sarge (stable) ships with XFree86 |
| 08:13.10 | rumpl | xfree is not old. |
| 08:13.25 | znh | debian is so delayed... |
| 08:13.33 | cat | hey i wonder if there's any converter, html to pdf |
| 08:13.36 | cat | any ideas? |
| 08:14.05 | EdLin | znh: until very recently there was no practical difference, other than drivers for bleeding edge cards, between xfree and xorg. |
| 08:14.14 | sep | znh, no debian is stable |
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| 08:14.36 | znh | sep, so are distrobutions with more recent applications |
| 08:14.49 | EdLin | !troll znh |
| 08:15.01 | fraser | sep, i tried that link you gave me, and i selected that i wanted much higher resolution, and it didn't work. what am i going to do? |
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| 08:15.16 | znh | EdLin, I am not trolling. I am just giving my opinion. which is allowed by the law |
| 08:15.17 | fraser | !troll brownie17 |
| 08:15.18 | fraser | lol |
| 08:15.21 | k-google | EdLin: ... who can't spell. |
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| 08:16.23 | EdLin | k-google: the other guy said "distrobutions" |
| 08:16.47 | k-google | EdLin: ... which other guy? znh? I just joined. |
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| 08:17.06 | sep | fraser, when you run the dpkg-reconfigure you also input your monitor information. like hsync and refreash and you say what resolutions you want available. the system filters out the resolutious outside your monitor settings (to avoid you destroing your monitor) and aloow you to use the rest of the resolutions |
| 08:17.20 | EdLin | < znh> sep, so are distrobutions with more recent applications |
| 08:17.31 | k-google | EdLin: Yeah, I caught that. |
| 08:17.33 | sep | fraser, so rerun the command, and set your wanted ersolutions and settings that match with your monitor |
| 08:17.48 | sep | EdLin, you can't have a stable distro and recent apps at the same time |
| 08:17.50 | fraser | sep, i chose the medium option, and i did set the wanted resolutions that match my monitor |
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| 08:18.07 | EdLin | sep: agreed |
| 08:18.10 | fraser | EdLin, lol, nerds having a spelling fight |
| 08:18.11 | sep | EdLin, stable is not "dont crash" stable is "dont have to upgrade each month" |
| 08:18.11 | possie | how can i make my own debian repository? since i have pieces of software which i only want to use a special version (my own debian package) so i would like to add my own repository to sources.list file, so if i install apache, it will install my version in stead of the one in the debian repository |
| 08:18.38 | sep | fraser, in medium you should specify your monitors max capable |
| 08:18.53 | EdLin | sep: I was not quoting znh because I was agreeing with him. |
| 08:19.03 | zu22 | when packaging a program/project for debian does one need to contact the author and get their permission if it is licensed under gpl? if the author is still actively developing would it be considered inconsiderate to package it without letting them know? |
| 08:19.05 | fraser | sep, i did |
| 08:19.12 | k-google | zu22: No. |
| 08:19.34 | k-google | zu22: GPL means never having to say "please" (so long as you play by the rules). |
| 08:20.00 | k-google | zu22: That said: it's nice to let an upstream know what you're doing and frequently means less work and more effective use of Debian efforts. |
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| 08:20.32 | k-google | zu22: So: I'd tell 'em what's going on. But there's no requirement that you must do so. |
| 08:21.12 | yassine | good morning everyone |
| 08:21.26 | k-google | yassine: The only good morning is a dead morning. |
| 08:21.52 | yassine | depends on your own defenition of good k-google :) |
| 08:22.23 | fraser | who can help me with my resolution problem |
| 08:22.29 | k-google | yassine: Well, I've long said that all the good ones are dead, so there's a certain consistency here. |
| 08:22.48 | sep | fraser, verify your x config file that your alterations are actually written to the file |
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| 08:23.23 | fraser | sep, where is this file located? |
| 08:23.36 | sep | fraser, /etc/X11/ |
| 08:24.09 | fraser | which file is it? |
| 08:24.11 | k-google | fraser: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 08:24.22 | fraser | thanks |
| 08:24.29 | k-google | fraser: Depends on whether you're using x.org or XFree86 X server. |
| 08:24.31 | fraser | XF86Config-4? |
| 08:24.35 | k-google | fraser: Yeah. |
| 08:24.48 | EdLin | fraser: yes, that too |
| 08:25.00 | fraser | (gedit:24654): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 08:25.00 | fraser | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
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| 08:25.10 | ttl_work | greetings |
| 08:25.19 | fraser | i'm running as root |
| 08:25.27 | fraser | ttl_work, greetings |
| 08:25.37 | sep | fraser, edit using a non X editor. or use sux instead of su when becoming root |
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| 08:26.07 | fraser | sep, lik nano? |
| 08:26.19 | sep | fraser, yes |
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| 08:27.23 | fraser | sep could i possibly pastebin the file to you, and you see that the options are selected? |
| 08:27.54 | callee | how can i rename a series of files at once? i want to remove a part of the filename thats common to all of these files |
| 08:27.58 | ttl_work | I'm using Etch and trying to install xserver-xorg-video-mga but apt says it has unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg-core (>= 1:0.99.0-1) but it is not installable |
| 08:27.58 | sep | fraser, put it on paster http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 08:28.26 | callee | i first thought with find and sed, but that seems to be a problem with the first parameter of the ren/mv command |
| 08:28.47 | ttl_work | i have a mga g200 |
| 08:29.10 | AntiHipocrate | i have a question : in my office the is a file server on linux platform.. most of the machine(windows) can access it through run -> \\machinename. But there are few machines which cannot access this server. all the machine are in the same windows domain. any ideas what will be wrong |
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| 08:29.32 | ttl_work | with xserver-org and the mga driver X crashes when loading gnome |
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| 08:30.34 | fraser | sep, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2528 |
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| 08:33.03 | sep | fraser, you didnt include your monitor settings |
| 08:33.09 | fraser | sep |
| 08:33.12 | fraser | sorry |
| 08:33.18 | sep | fraser, and try a lower resolutions and increase in steps |
| 08:33.37 | k-google | callee: There's a rename command somewhere. |
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| 08:33.42 | sep | fraser, ie try 1024x768, then next time try 1280x1024 etc etc |
| 08:33.50 | fraser | sure |
| 08:34.22 | EdLin | fraser: if you still have your monitor manual that could be of great help |
| 08:34.25 | k-google | callee: ... but the 'Nix way is to use something like sed: for file in list; do mv $file $( echo $file | sed 's/oldpattern/newpattern/' ) |
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| 08:34.28 | k-google | done. |
| 08:34.47 | fraser | EdLin, nope, came as a package deal, pretty generic thing i think |
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| 08:35.05 | k-google | callee: ... where list is some list of filenames. You can generate that with a glob (*) or shell expression (ls), etc. |
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| 08:36.00 | EdLin | fraser: if you had a manual, you could tell what its scan rates are. Maybe if you google using your monitor's model you can find some specs on the web. |
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| 08:36.55 | sep | fraser, if it's a lcd or a crt is also importatnt,. since the lcd's have a very spesific range tehy like |
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| 08:37.04 | fraser | sep, so i should check the boxes nect to the res* i want to use? or the ones i don't want ot use? |
| 08:37.19 | fraser | sep, definately put it as a CRT |
| 08:37.23 | sep | fraser, the ones you want to use |
| 08:37.29 | k-google | callee: apt-cache show renameutils mrename |
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| 08:37.33 | Pepper | Is it OK that http://www.debian.org/sponsor.html is empty? |
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| 08:37.48 | fraser | sep, still didn't work |
| 08:37.59 | tarzeau | Pepper: ask #debain-devel |
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| 08:38.03 | fraser | sep, god forbid i mention the R word, but would a reboot help? |
| 08:38.06 | tarzeau | #debian-devel actually |
| 08:38.11 | tarzeau | Pepper: is it linked to from somewhere? |
| 08:38.21 | Pepper | tarzeau: main page |
| 08:38.31 | tarzeau | Pepper: maybe there's already a bug filed on BTS (the www virtual package) |
| 08:38.47 | tarzeau | Pepper: which server are you connected to? |
| 08:39.01 | tarzeau | Pepper: i think a sponsor can choose what to show (their own logo, or nothing) |
| 08:39.08 | zirikili | hi... I get the error "clamav-freshclam, action "start" failed." when try to upgrade. what can I do? |
| 08:39.15 | Pepper | tarzeua: www.debian.org A 192.25.206.10 |
| 08:39.30 | JediMaster | hey guys (and girls), can anyone recommend a good linux based HTML editor? I'm using Quanta Plus and Zend at the moment, but need something to help with css/Divs |
| 08:39.44 | karsten | JediMaster: vim. |
| 08:39.53 | JediMaster | graphical |
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| 08:39.55 | JediMaster | =) |
| 08:39.58 | karsten | JediMaster: IIRC bluefish or something like that is out there. |
| 08:40.01 | karsten | JediMaster: ... or gvim ;-) |
| 08:40.09 | tarzeau | Pepper: try the australian mirror of the webpage |
| 08:40.11 | karsten | Feh. Need screen... |
| 08:40.12 | JediMaster | and definately not vim related =) |
| 08:40.12 | tarzeau | Pepper: it has a sponsor... |
| 08:40.26 | tarzeau | Pepper: japan has a 403 |
| 08:40.32 | JediMaster | karsten, isn't that the IBM one? |
| 08:40.40 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.46 | tarzeau | Pepper: it is certainly not ideal, but probably out of the scope of debian.org |
| 08:41.07 | fraser | sep, is there a non-gnome way to chang resolutuin? like from the terminal? |
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| 08:41.17 | karsten | JediMaster: NFC. bluefish is the name. Mozilla's composer's fair, and I think there's one from w3m, amaya, though I think I'm wrong. |
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| 08:42.19 | fraser | does anyone know if there is a way to change the resolution from the terminal? |
| 08:42.32 | sep | fraser, are tere a gnome way to change resolution ? i only use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:42.42 | sep | and restart x (naturally) |
| 08:43.07 | sep | fraser, .... dont tell you you havent restarted X after altering in dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 08:43.18 | fraser | sep, lol. god i'm a n00b |
| 08:43.26 | fraser | sep, can't beleive i've been forgetting that |
| 08:43.39 | fraser | sep, killall X? |
| 08:43.47 | sep | just logout normaly |
| 08:43.55 | sep | kill is for when normal operations fail to work |
| 08:43.58 | fraser | sep, okay. going down for a logout |
| 08:44.08 | sep | ctrl+alt+backspace is also a way |
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| 08:44.41 | fraser | sep, restart didn't work |
| 08:44.57 | sep | fraser, did you resatrt or just drop out to dm ? |
| 08:45.08 | sep | when you see grafical login use ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 08:45.26 | fraser | sep, ? umm just pressed the actions --> logout |
| 08:45.31 | fraser | sep, how should i do it? |
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| 08:46.24 | fraser | sep, press CTRL+ALT+Backspace, then what? |
| 08:46.34 | sep | fraser, logout of X and restart your dm /etc/init.d/gdm restart (if you use gdm that is) |
| 08:47.04 | fraser | so logout, press ctrol alt backpasce, then type "dm /etc/init.d/gdm restart"??? |
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| 08:47.50 | sep | fraser, yes replace gdm to whatever dm you use |
| 08:48.00 | sep | !dm |
| 08:48.00 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 08:48.07 | fraser | i use GDM |
| 08:48.12 | fraser | gnome that is right? |
| 08:48.12 | fraser | okay |
| 08:48.15 | fraser | i'm gonna try that now |
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| 08:49.20 | zirikili | what can I do whent I get an error like "invoke-rc.d: initscript <pkg>, action "start" failed." ? |
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| 08:50.43 | tralala | zirikili: you can start with providing information about what you're trying to do and what exactly goes wrong |
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| 08:51.23 | JediMaster | karsten, thanks |
| 08:51.33 | fraser | sep, ugh, when i logged out and pressed ctrl alt backspace it just reloaded the login window |
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| 08:51.55 | liable | fraser: tahts all that happens when you restart x :) |
| 08:52.05 | zirikili | tralala: it is happening when I try to upgrade the whole system |
| 08:52.22 | fraser | sep, i think it has worked! |
| 08:52.29 | sep | fraser, good |
| 08:52.50 | fraser | sep, YES! well it's given me one more option, but i think i can just enable more in dpkg reconfigure |
| 08:52.50 | fraser | thanks |
| 08:52.55 | fraser | plus i have one more ussie |
| 08:53.11 | fraser | when i try to use sudo it tells me i am no in the list |
| 08:53.16 | fraser | buti think i am |
| 08:53.24 | fraser | and this was the first account created by the install proccess |
| 08:53.26 | tralala | zirikili: sid? |
| 08:53.52 | zirikili | tralala: no. testing. "invoke-rc.d: initscript clamav-freshclam, action "start" failed." |
| 08:54.52 | EdLin | fraser: visudo |
| 08:54.55 | tralala | !tell fraser -about enter |
| 08:55.05 | EdLin | fraser: or just use "su" with the root pasword |
| 08:55.08 | fraser | tralala, sorry |
| 08:55.28 | fraser | EdLin, why do i have to use visudo instead? is it different from sudo? |
| 08:55.46 | EdLin | fraser: visudo is sudo's configuration program |
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| 08:55.57 | agutierr | hello: something has used mdadm ? |
| 08:56.08 | agutierr | I have a problem with a faulty disc that is not faulty |
| 08:56.12 | fraser | EdLin, bash: visudo: command not found |
| 08:56.25 | liable | bash -x /etc/init.d/clamav-freshclam start see where it fails |
| 08:56.36 | EdLin | fraser: you've got to run visudo as root |
| 08:56.38 | liable | fraser: as root? |
| 08:56.46 | fraser | okay |
| 08:56.48 | EdLin | fraser: su to root first |
| 08:57.16 | jetscreamer | i've always wondered why it says you 'have' to use visudo. i can't tell. |
| 08:57.20 | fraser | so how do i add myself into it now? when i press down on the list, it beeps once i get to the blue ~ things |
| 08:57.38 | EdLin | jetscreamer: it keeps you from making syntax errors |
| 08:57.52 | tralala | good point |
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| 08:58.01 | EdLin | fraser: maybe you'd be better off running plain "su" |
| 08:58.04 | tralala | but it's a pain in the neck to configure for every command |
| 08:58.25 | fraser | EdLin, maybe, but sudo is instinct now from 6 months of ubuntu |
| 08:58.39 | jetscreamer | lol@ quit msg |
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| 08:58.57 | EdLin | fraser: su is pretty simple, just "su" and type root's password. |
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| 08:59.23 | jetscreamer | !Alam_Debian++ |
| 08:59.47 | Alam_Debian | .... |
| 08:59.59 | fraser | EdLin, okay i edited the visudo file, how do i get out and save it |
| 09:00.10 | Eclipser | :wq |
| 09:00.24 | tralala | Alam_Debian: is your quit message copyrighted? ;) |
| 09:00.46 | Eclipser | quitting irc is for losers :> |
| 09:00.59 | fraser | Eclipser, lol |
| 09:01.10 | tralala | fraser: or, if you have vim installed <ESC>ZZ |
| 09:01.28 | Alam_Debian | no, hitting the close while switching workspace is dumb.... |
| 09:01.39 | Eclipser | tralala, :wq is faster :) |
| 09:01.40 | Alam_Debian | what quit message? |
| 09:02.04 | fraser | tralala, did you mean to send that to me? i'm confused |
| 09:02.31 | tralala | Eclipser: not really, you have to hit three different keys as opposed to hitting one key twice. I always use ZZ |
| 09:02.50 | tralala | fraser: for quitting visudo |
| 09:03.03 | Eclipser | tralala, I guess it's about what you get used to |
| 09:03.09 | fraser | tralala, pressing zz does nothing, i'm in a terminal |
| 09:03.17 | Eclipser | fraser, ZZ, not zz |
| 09:03.25 | EdLin | fraser: capital ZZ |
| 09:03.27 | fraser | Eclipser, thanks |
| 09:03.58 | Eclipser | basic vi(m) commands are nix users need-to-know stuff |
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| 09:04.46 | tralala | Eclipser: I like to quote the dog in such cases - "it's a matter of taste" |
| 09:04.59 | Eclipser | yeah well >( |
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| 09:05.09 | Eclipser | most nixes at least usually have vi |
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| 09:07.36 | zirikili | tralala: I stoped the service and ran the upgrade again. it works now. |
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| 09:08.07 | tralala | zirikili: perhaps it's a bug |
| 09:08.15 | tralala | a package bug |
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| 09:09.34 | zirikili | tralala: maybe. it should be transparent, isn't ? |
| 09:10.09 | karsten | Eclipser: ... but ed is the standard editor. |
| 09:10.11 | tralala | indeed |
| 09:10.27 | tralala | !start an editor war |
| 09:10.28 | dpkg | nano is known to decrease your lifespan |
| 09:10.41 | EdLin | ed is useful if something's gone wrong with your terminal emulation |
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| 09:14.40 | tralala | Alam_Debian: that one - Alam_Debian [n=Alam@c-24-218-227-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit |
| 09:14.42 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.45 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.55 | Alam_Debian | oh yea... |
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| 09:17.32 | stoned | 4:20 am |
| 09:17.40 | fireba11 | anyone ever tried to sue scponly in chroot mode with winSCP ? doesn't seem to work .. winSCP complains about not compatible shell ^^ |
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| 09:18.59 | fraser | how can i make the F12 key a shortcut to the terminal? |
| 09:19.54 | Eclipser | karsten, my box doesn't have ed.. |
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| 09:21.23 | liable | fraser: see if it gives a keycode with xev, then map it with xbindkeys |
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| 09:22.53 | fraser | bash: xbindkeys: command not found |
| 09:23.05 | liable | !installit |
| 09:23.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 09:23.08 | tangle | Sorry, no matches for news flash! *** your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. if you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get on the definition database. (0.001s) |
| 09:23.40 | liable | tangle: what are you |
| 09:23.59 | fraser | he's a looney, that's what |
| 09:24.03 | quitte_ | *** what are you ***, tangle? |
| 09:24.04 | tangle | Sorry, no matches for what are you ***, tangle? on the definition database. (0.002s) |
| 09:24.06 | Ronin | new bot i see |
| 09:24.20 | fraser | liable, bash: xbindkeys: command not found |
| 09:24.28 | SlayerXP | !ops tangle appears to be some kind of lameass bot. is it meant to be here? |
| 09:24.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: tangle appears to be some kind of lameass bot. is it meant to be here |
| 09:24.33 | liable | !tell fraser about installit |
| 09:24.42 | fraser | liable, oh lol i gt it |
| 09:24.59 | fraser | liable, i didn't realise it was a program, i thought it was like a procedure allready on here |
| 09:26.48 | fireba11 | got a problem with winSCP and scponlyc .. someon can help with that ? |
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| 09:27.49 | fraser | why is smegging smeg not in the repos? |
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| 09:28.01 | fraser | SMEG ( Simple Menu Editor for Gnome) |
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| 09:29.40 | tralala | fraser: the usual reason for something not to be in debian is that: a) it's not free; b) nobody wants it badly enough to package it |
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| 09:36.17 | fraser | tralala, but it's in the ubuntu repos! |
| 09:36.39 | Ronin | perhaps but we're not ubuntu |
| 09:37.15 | fraser | lol |
| 09:37.23 | fraser | i didn't notice! |
| 09:37.39 | Ronin | ya debian and ubuntu are spelled pretty closely :) |
| 09:37.49 | fraser | wwhat i meant was, ubuntu is just a thingo of debian, so shouldn't it work on debian? therefore, shouldn't it be in the repos? |
| 09:38.01 | Ronin | nope |
| 09:38.30 | fraser | fair enough |
| 09:38.35 | ttl_work | i'm trying to install xserver-xorg-video-mga on Etch but it has got unmet dependencies xserver-xorg-core |
| 09:38.41 | ttl_work | and xserver-xorg-core is not available |
| 09:38.49 | tralala | fraser: if you were aiming at creating a high quality distribution would you include any random package that is out there in the wild? |
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| 09:39.54 | ttl_work | why the xserver-xorg-core is unavailable |
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| 09:40.41 | liable | ttl_work: it would be the version, wait a bit, file a bug if there isnt one. |
| 09:41.06 | tralala | ttl_work: testing is for testers. If you have found a bug - report it, that's what the testers do. |
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| 09:41.41 | ttl_work | i'm trying to get my Matrox mga g200 mms to work |
| 09:42.07 | liable | has xorg7 gotten into etch? |
| 09:42.30 | dli | liable, I heard xorg-7 is in sid |
| 09:42.45 | tralala | liable: packages.debian.org |
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| 09:43.01 | liable | tralala: why, dpkg is here :) |
| 09:43.03 | tralala | and/or qa.debian.org |
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| 09:44.11 | ttl_work | should i inform the people in #debain-devel ? |
| 09:44.24 | Ronin | ttl_work: id think they have enough to do |
| 09:44.34 | liable | that channel isnt for reporting bugs |
| 09:44.47 | ttl_work | dli: xorg in etch is 6.9.0 |
| 09:45.45 | tralala | !tell ttl_work -about bts |
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| 09:54.33 | apikoros | hi. i installed etch manually (i.e. i hand-picked packages using apt). i don't have unicode working -- i can't display any non-western-encoded pages. any tips on how to fix that? |
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| 09:56.11 | dli | apikoros, be specific |
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| 09:56.36 | apikoros | dli, for example, in firefox, hebrew text is rendering as a series of boxes with (i can only guess) unicode codes |
| 09:56.39 | tralala | apikoros: make sure you have the correct fonts installed. Make sure that your browser is actually able to display non-lating pages |
| 09:56.59 | apikoros | tralala, how do i do the latter? |
| 09:57.23 | tralala | apikoros: if you're using firefox you're okay |
| 09:57.23 | dli | apikoros, install fonts for hebrew, "apt-cache search font|grep -i hebrew" |
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| 09:58.23 | apikoros | dli, ok, installing -- let's see if this works. |
| 09:58.37 | apikoros | do i need to restart X to refresh the font cache or something? |
| 09:59.55 | dli | apikoros, restart X, and try again, don't know whether it required to restart it though |
| 10:00.03 | Akrame | hey all |
| 10:00.04 | Akrame | What's the answer to " Uubuntu is debian with new themes and new name" |
| 10:00.04 | tralala | apikoros: not nessecarily |
| 10:00.12 | ttl_work | i can install xserver-xorg-core from unstable but i have i'm wondering what the difference between using xserver-xorg with the mga driver and installing xserver-xorg-video-mga? |
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| 10:00.28 | ttl_work | does it use another driver ? |
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| 10:01.04 | tralala | Akrame: the answer is: "this is not a question, just a random statement" |
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| 10:06.41 | Dirkie | morning |
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| 10:15.17 | Penix | wenas |
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| 10:21.03 | zu22 | i see #debian-de has their own website and FAQ, do we have one? if not is anyone working on it? http://channel.debian.de/faq/ |
| 10:21.20 | liable | !faq |
| 10:21.20 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 10:22.40 | pulse00 | if i take the my current .config file for compiling a new (same version as the installed one), is it normal that make oldconfig still asks command-line configuration questions? |
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| 10:23.04 | pulse00 | *for compiling a new kernel...* |
| 10:23.31 | yaarg | yes |
| 10:23.48 | brownie17 | does anyone know if there is a package in the repos that will allow me to handle win32 file formats such as .WMV or .MP3? |
| 10:24.17 | petemc | brownie17: you can get a package called w32codecs from the marillat archive |
| 10:24.18 | Alam_Debian | MP3 is not a Win32 file formats |
| 10:24.20 | yaarg | .mp3 is a win32 file format huh? |
| 10:24.39 | tralala | brownie17: no, there isn't |
| 10:24.45 | brownie17 | petemc, marillat? what is that? |
| 10:24.52 | pulse00 | but for some questions i have no clue what to answer and there are at least 30 of them. if so, it's hardly possible for a non-kernel wizard to compile his own i guess... |
| 10:24.54 | petemc | !tell brownie17 about marillat |
| 10:24.55 | Alam_Debian | !marillat |
| 10:24.56 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
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| 10:24.58 | yaarg | w32codecs will still not play wmv 2 encoded files |
| 10:25.14 | petemc | wmv 2? |
| 10:25.16 | petemc | itym 9 |
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| 10:26.01 | yaarg | pulse00: erm hardly |
| 10:26.05 | quitte_ | wtf! i just got a mail. if i try to reply to it in evolution the input is from right to left. so i say olleH instead of Hello ??? |
| 10:26.24 | yaarg | you don't need to be a kernel wizard to compile a kernel! |
| 10:26.33 | yaarg | pulse00: just use the default if you don't know about something |
| 10:26.35 | jethro | quitte_: haha sounds funny |
| 10:26.48 | pulse00 | yaarg, how do i know what's the default? |
| 10:26.58 | liable | pulse00: why not use make menuconfig? as far as i was aware, if its the same kernel version, oldconfig shouldnt ask you questions if you have a .config in there. |
| 10:27.11 | tralala | !tell pulse00 -about debian kernel image |
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| 10:27.42 | yaarg | pulse00: just press enter |
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| 10:28.09 | pulse00 | thanks |
| 10:28.37 | Ugly_Duck | if i wana get a bluetooth adapter, what should i look at for hardware for debian/linux ? |
| 10:28.45 | Ugly_Duck | any one currently got one installed? |
| 10:29.52 | liable | Ugly_Duck: pick one, then google it. |
| 10:29.59 | Ugly_Duck | kk. |
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| 10:32.03 | tralala | Ugly_Duck: I have a level one mdu0005usb stick. works fine |
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| 10:33.13 | Ugly_Duck | World renowned Billinoton Bluetooth USB Adapter for your computer or laptop. This is a quality Class 1 Bluetooth adatper capable of up to 100M range or 328 feet. |
| 10:33.25 | Ugly_Duck | that says "Class 1" |
| 10:34.00 | liable | it sure does.. |
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| 10:36.49 | Ugly_Duck | oh kewl, that one is linux compatible |
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| 10:37.10 | Ugly_Duck | # OS Support: Windows 98SE ⁄ Me ⁄ 2000 ⁄ XP, MacOS 10.1.4 or above, Linux Kernel 2.4.6 or above |
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| 10:37.15 | Ugly_Duck | thats awesome, i'll go buy one tomorrow |
| 10:37.15 | karl | does any one know how can I connect to a users ssh session |
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| 10:37.39 | liable | karl: so you can see what they are doing? |
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| 10:38.29 | quhan | Is there someone who can tell me how to config the gtkrc-2.0? |
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| 10:39.18 | dli | quhan, why do you want to configure it? |
| 10:39.18 | tralala | quhan: by using gconf perhaps? |
| 10:39.34 | pinky | Umm, I'm running into problems running Quake 2 because it keeps complaining about libGL.so (I have Nvidia drivers installed and working, other games work) |
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| 10:39.41 | karl | liable:yes |
| 10:39.49 | pinky | ./libGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory rfx_gl::R_Init() - could not load "libGL.so" |
| 10:40.02 | liable | karl: get em to run screen and connect to the session |
| 10:40.14 | pinky | Then it seg faults and dumps me back on a bash prompt |
| 10:40.25 | yaarg | pulse00: do you have libgl1-mesa-swx11 installed? |
| 10:40.30 | karl | liable:any other options ? |
| 10:40.39 | yaarg | pinky: do you have libgl1-mesa-swx11 installed? |
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| 10:40.45 | tralala | karl: ttysnoop |
| 10:40.46 | yaarg | pulse00: sorry wrong person |
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| 10:41.21 | liable | karl: you are snooping or helping? |
| 10:41.22 | pinky | yaarg: Nope |
| 10:41.25 | pinky | Should I? |
| 10:42.23 | yaarg | pinky: well if it can't find that file... apt-file search libGL.so |
| 10:42.35 | pinky | yaarg: It's not installed, but if I mark it for installation it automatically wants to remove a bunch of other packages, including "x-window-system-core" |
| 10:42.37 | karl | liable: I want to give an ssh access to a person to help me and I would like to see waht he is doing |
| 10:42.52 | jethro | karl: install screen, and use -x |
| 10:42.54 | tralala | karl: again ttysnoop |
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| 10:43.00 | dli | karl, use screen |
| 10:43.09 | liable | karl: so start screen, and get him to connect to it |
| 10:43.20 | pinky | yaarg: apt-file? never heard of that command, and it doesn't recognize it as one either |
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| 10:43.25 | karl | Thanks - will try |
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| 10:43.33 | yaarg | pinky: apt-get install apt-file! |
| 10:44.03 | quhan | tralala,Need I install the gconf package? |
| 10:44.08 | yaarg | pinky: try libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 10:44.19 | quhan | dli,I am not satificate to my gtk2 interface |
| 10:44.33 | dli | quhan, gconf is part of gnome |
| 10:44.45 | jethro | quhan: satificate? |
| 10:44.51 | jethro | quhan: what the hell does that mean? |
| 10:44.54 | pinky | yaarg: That packages wants to remove 4 packages automatically... including x-window-system-core |
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| 10:45.18 | liable | karl: if you wanted, you could even restrict ssh access to yourself, to starting that screen instance temporarily.. |
| 10:45.22 | quhan | dli, I dont install gnome, but only icewm, can I do it? |
| 10:45.25 | pinky | yaarg: The others are xlibmesa-dir, xlibmesa-gl, and xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 10:45.36 | tralala | quhan: perhaps you want to google about gtk2 themes |
| 10:45.54 | tralala | quhan: or icewm themes |
| 10:45.55 | pinky | yaarg: I installing this will make it work, but how do I do it without uninstalling X (the x-window-system-core package) |
| 10:46.17 | quhan | jethro,sorry, i mean satisfaction |
| 10:46.31 | yaarg | pinky: this is with libgl1-mesa-dev? it doesn't want to uninstall x here |
| 10:46.53 | yaarg | but i dunno |
| 10:47.07 | dli | quhan, themes, maybe, /usr/share/themes/ThinIce/gtk-2.0/gtkrc |
| 10:47.08 | pinky | yaarg: yeah, libgla-mesa-dev, version 6.4.1-0.4 (I'm running Etch) |
| 10:47.08 | quhan | An icewm themes can only change the title and border for the gtk2 window |
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| 10:47.16 | quhan | the button is not changed |
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| 10:47.27 | alumno | ola |
| 10:47.37 | alumno | hello |
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| 10:47.48 | alumno | si |
| 10:47.52 | brownie17 | how do install ALSA? |
| 10:47.55 | liable | hi |
| 10:48.01 | brownie17 | is there a guide somwhere i can use? |
| 10:48.02 | alumno | yes |
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| 10:48.10 | alumno | si |
| 10:48.16 | liable | brownie17: if you have a 2.6 kernel, just get the tools |
| 10:48.35 | brownie17 | okay |
| 10:48.37 | liable | alumno: english here |
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| 10:48.40 | brownie17 | becvause atm sound doesn't work at al |
| 10:48.41 | pinky | yaarg: Does it matter that I used the official binary Nvidia driver installer, and not nvidia-glx? |
| 10:48.49 | pinky | yaarg: Which did you use? |
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| 10:49.03 | dli | pinky, aha, nvidia |
| 10:49.13 | alumno | i do not |
| 10:49.16 | liable | brownie17: do you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:49.17 | alumno | ola sole |
| 10:49.31 | quhan | dli, I copy a file ,put into ~, but I dont know howto modify it |
| 10:49.33 | liable | !br |
| 10:49.33 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 10:49.33 | pinky | dli: Do you know anything about this libGL.so complaint? |
| 10:49.40 | wizzomafizzo | How come when I try to install php5 and any modules for it I get told it's missing or obsolete? I'm fine with using php4 but if php5 doesn't work why is it in the package list? |
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| 10:50.00 | brownie17 | liable, guess so. does it come standard with sarge/ |
| 10:50.05 | alumno | hello |
| 10:50.11 | brownie17 | liable, whats the line to get your kernal version again? |
| 10:50.18 | Phated | uname -r |
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| 10:50.21 | liable | brownie17: its not default. uname -r |
| 10:50.36 | si0ux | hi people |
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| 10:50.38 | dli | pinky, if you use nvidia :( you will become an expert of it :( |
| 10:50.39 | yaarg | pinky: i used the official nvidia driver |
| 10:50.45 | brownie17 | liable, ugh, i have 2.4 |
| 10:50.51 | yaarg | pinky: but i never had any problems it just worked |
| 10:50.55 | brownie17 | liable, where can i get a 2.6 and how big is it? |
| 10:50.57 | yaarg | pinky: but then i've only played quake 3 not 2 |
| 10:50.59 | alumno | i do not know |
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| 10:51.09 | alumno_ | hi ppl |
| 10:51.09 | dli | quhan, be specific |
| 10:51.11 | alumno | no lo se |
| 10:51.17 | liable | brownie17: you can get alsa modules for 2.4, oss isnt working for you? |
| 10:51.23 | yaarg | pinky: did you update your xorg.conf like it said in the readme with the nvidia driver? |
| 10:51.41 | pinky | yaarg: I had the Nvidia installer do it for me... |
| 10:51.49 | alumno | i do not know |
| 10:51.53 | pinky | I did verify the changes it made though by manually editing it |
| 10:51.57 | yaarg | it must have changed then |
| 10:51.59 | alumno | ke tal? |
| 10:52.03 | yaarg | you use to have to manually edit it |
| 10:52.05 | dli | pinky, do it in the debian way, it may help |
| 10:52.16 | alumno | bey |
| 10:52.16 | pinky | Agg |
| 10:52.17 | alumno | adios |
| 10:52.20 | brownie17 | liable, doesn't seem to be. didn't work too well in ubuntu either |
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| 10:52.41 | brownie17 | liable, so is there any need to update to 2.6 at all? |
| 10:52.45 | dli | pinky, anyway, avoid nvidia/ati, if you can, binary drivers are evil |
| 10:53.00 | yaarg | not being able to play games is eviler |
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| 10:53.31 | liable | brownie17: i guess the best bet is to google your sound card. (the lspci output for it) |
| 10:53.34 | pinky | dli: I know, I know, I hate the situation |
| 10:53.43 | pinky | Wait a minute... |
| 10:53.49 | brownie17 | liable, can't e bothered, i'll just try alsa |
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| 10:54.04 | quhan | dli, I have the "~/.gtkrc-2.0" now, and I know this file is used for set the gtk interface, and I want to try set it by myself, but I dont know how to, I think maybe I need a doc which explain the .gtkrc-2.0 or a graphics program to set it. |
| 10:54.06 | pinky | I'm looking in /usr/lib/ and the file called libGL.so in there is a symlink to a nonexistant file |
| 10:54.29 | dli | pinky, intel releases GPLed drivers now for its video cards (i945 now) |
| 10:54.32 | pinky | It links to libGL.so.1.2, which doesn't exist... could this be my problem? |
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| 10:55.03 | pinky | dli: I haven't bought Intel CPUs/motherboards ever... I'm using an opteron now |
| 10:55.16 | brownie17 | pinky, what's an opteron? |
| 10:55.53 | pinky | brownie17: AMD Opteron is AMD's 64-bit server line of CPUs using Socket 940, as opposed to the Athlon 64's Socket 939 |
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| 10:56.19 | dli | quhan, some docs are in /usr/share/doc/gtk*, find more online by google |
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| 10:56.55 | dli | pinky, intel is releasing conroe soon |
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| 10:57.08 | pinky | dli: I know, but it'll be beyond my price range. |
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| 10:57.33 | robhu | I've just installed Debian on my updated unstable debian box (it has to be unstable sadly as I need amd64 for xen) and while the stock debian kernel boots ok the xen dom0 kernel doesnt because it either has no initrd (I can't see initrd in aptitude) or if I use the initrd from the stock debian kernel it says "waiting for root filesystem" and waits indefinitely. I'm using a RAID 1 device for / (md0)... can anyone suggest how to please please |
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| 10:58.09 | pengol | hi there ... what are .la files? |
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| 10:58.10 | pinky | dli: If Intel ever offers an AGP/PCI-E card then I'd go for it... I just don't like the packaged deal of integrated graphics |
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| 10:58.12 | dli | pinky, I won't touch amd any more, unless they can offer something not contaiminated with ati/nvidia |
| 10:58.28 | pinky | dli: Yeah, it's kind of a shitty situation all around |
| 10:58.43 | sep | robhu, you create the initrd from the running kernel. using one of the initrd tools you dont install it as a package from aptitude |
| 10:58.52 | sep | robhu, you do intall the tools frmo aptitude tho |
| 10:58.56 | dli | pinky, also amd still couldn't release a dual core mobile cpu by now |
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| 10:59.06 | robhu | sep: I understand that - what I meant was that I can't find mkinitrd in apt |
| 10:59.31 | pinky | dli: When it comes to laptops I'll get Intel... I just don't make laptop purchases |
| 10:59.32 | dli | robhu, try apt-file search mkinitrd |
| 10:59.41 | quhan | dli, thanks , I found a package gtk2.0-examples, I think maybe it will help me |
| 10:59.49 | quhan | Installing... |
| 11:00.01 | sep | robhu, there are some new tools i think one is called yaird |
| 11:00.12 | pinky | I'm going to try linking this libGL.so file in /usr/lib/ to a file that actually exists... say, libGL.so.1.0.8756 |
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| 11:00.41 | dli | quhan, I only use icewm on liveusb, not much experience left |
| 11:00.47 | brownie17 | laible, the intructions the bot game me for getting alsa are crap coz they're for another version. |
| 11:01.01 | robhu | dli: OK - I'm installing apt-file now |
| 11:01.03 | sep | robhu, use initrd-tools , or yaird |
| 11:01.08 | robhu | sep: OK thanks |
| 11:01.21 | dli | pinky, ldd those nvidia libGL.so |
| 11:01.33 | pinky | dli: What? |
| 11:01.37 | quhan | dli , I will try it and tell you the result ;-) |
| 11:01.43 | sep | robhu, http://wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions tells you all you need to know |
| 11:02.08 | dli | pinky, ldd /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8756 |
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| 11:03.48 | pinky | dli: /usr/lib/opengl/ doesn't exist |
| 11:04.33 | pinky | I remember vaguely linking the libGL.so in /usr/lib/ to the file you just typed out, and my problems going away (on a previous install) |
| 11:05.00 | pinky | dli: But this is odd, there is no "opengl" directory in /usr/lib/ |
| 11:05.53 | pinky | dli: Does that make sense? |
| 11:06.10 | dli | pinky, find |
| 11:06.22 | simonrvn | there wouldn't be anyway |
| 11:07.09 | pinky | dli: To reiterate, I've got a libGL.so in /usr/lib/ linking to a nonexistant file, and I think if I linked it to /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8756 will make it work, only there appears to be no opengl direcotry in /usr/lib (whereas I remember this existing on a previous install) |
| 11:07.34 | pinky | dli: Am I missing a package? |
| 11:07.53 | dli | pinky, read the debian nvidia howto |
| 11:08.07 | pinky | dli: I could link it to the file /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8756 |
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| 11:08.43 | pinky | dli: Well, I know this works just using the Nvidia installer |
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| 11:09.17 | pinky | dli: I've run into this problem trying to compile projectM (OpenGL visualization libvisual plugin) |
| 11:09.57 | pinky | dli: And I recall fixing it by linking to the broken /usr/lib/libGL.so file to /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8756, only this time that file doesn't exist... |
| 11:10.10 | robhu | YAY FIXED ! |
| 11:10.13 | robhu | You guys are heroes! |
| 11:10.14 | pinky | dli: Any idea why that might be? |
| 11:10.44 | dli | pinky, with a binary only package, you always run into problems, sooner or later, the only question is when |
| 11:12.30 | simonrvn | try running ldconfig. might fix it |
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| 11:13.11 | pinky | simonrvn: Can anything bad happen as a result of running that? |
| 11:13.16 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:13.34 | simonrvn | it's run every time a lib gets installed (and should) |
| 11:13.51 | simonrvn | you can always read the man page too ... |
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| 11:15.34 | brownie17 | what was the coe to get your sound card again? |
| 11:16.13 | pinky | simonrvn, dli: Oohh, fixed it! |
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| 11:17.11 | pinky | I linked /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8756 and it worked... it seems the fact that /usr/lib/libGL.so was linked to a nonexistant file was the problem |
| 11:17.47 | pinky | I'm still infurated about this graphics driver situation, though... probably won't buy another binary-only proprietary card again |
| 11:17.59 | yang | where could i get swf tools for debian? |
| 11:18.06 | yang | its not packed |
| 11:18.43 | RobHu | On unstable i can't install the packages I want because xfonts-encodings fails because it wants to overwrite a file that is also in xfonts-base. How can I fix this? I've tried -f with apt-get install ... I don't even want xfonts (or X) as its a server. |
| 11:20.19 | nix | is there an app that shows which active programs have data in swap? |
| 11:21.30 | ne0futur | good question nix i dont think so but if someone have an answer I want it too ;) |
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| 11:21.45 | nkuttler | RobHu: man dpkg, search for overwrite |
| 11:21.52 | RobHu | nkuttler: thanks |
| 11:21.57 | Knight_Lord | My syslog is full of nfs: server davinci not responding, still trying |
| 11:21.58 | Knight_Lord | nfs: server davinci OK |
| 11:22.11 | Knight_Lord | How can i fix it? This causes horrible stalls due to iowai |
| 11:22.39 | Knight_Lord | calls retrans authrefrsh |
| 11:22.40 | Knight_Lord | 29104 1195 0 |
| 11:22.46 | yaarg | nix: cat /proc/<pid>/maps |
| 11:22.48 | Knight_Lord | Output from nfsstat -o rpc |
| 11:23.01 | Knight_Lord | Lots of retrans :-/ |
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| 11:23.18 | irc | Hello everybody! |
| 11:23.23 | RobHu | nkuttler: Thankyou very much - that fixed it. The solution was dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb |
| 11:23.26 | ne0futur | Knight_Lord: verify your nfs mounts ? /etc/exports and /etc/fstab ? |
| 11:23.27 | pinky | What's the EAX situation on GNU/Linux? |
| 11:23.31 | irc | Cann somebody tell me the "debian package archive" URL? |
| 11:23.44 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur it works fine from another client (running fedora 4) |
| 11:23.52 | irc | There was a website collecting all "old" packages. |
| 11:23.57 | RobHu | Is there a shiny ncurses interface for LVM / RAID? |
| 11:24.06 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur the nfs server is debian sarge, but i don't think it makes a difference |
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| 11:24.29 | Knight_Lord | irc packages.debian.org? |
| 11:24.37 | ne0futur | Knight_Lord: perhaps using different versions of NFS ? |
| 11:24.49 | liable | irc: or for old packages .. snapshot.debian.net |
| 11:24.50 | ne0futur | or lock problems ? |
| 11:25.03 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur yea i considered lock problems |
| 11:25.07 | irc | Yeah!! snapshot.... |
| 11:25.16 | irc | Everytime the same. - Who can remeber that name!? |
| 11:25.19 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur do you know how to further diginto this mess? |
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| 11:26.14 | ne0futur | could also be peering problems between your 2 servers |
| 11:26.35 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur 2 servers? |
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| 11:26.58 | ne0futur | 13:21) < Knight_Lo> My syslog is full of nfs: server davinci not responding, still trying |
| 11:27.01 | ne0futur | (13:21) < Knight_Lo> nfs: server davinci OK |
| 11:27.05 | irc | Thanks and bye |
| 11:27.11 | ne0futur | the server davinci and the server where you have the logs |
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| 11:27.24 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur the logs are from the client |
| 11:27.37 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur everyone is using nfs version 3 |
| 11:27.43 | tralala | Knight_Lord: is portmap installed everywhere? |
| 11:27.53 | ne0futur | ok peering problems between your server and client |
| 11:27.54 | kspath | Knight_Lord: TCP? UDP? |
| 11:27.56 | Knight_Lord | tralala i guess nfs depends on it |
| 11:28.11 | Knight_Lord | kspath i don't know it's the default, how can i check it? |
| 11:28.19 | Knight_Lord | ne0futur how can i check for that? |
| 11:28.23 | kspath | Knight_Lord: UDP should be default |
| 11:28.32 | Knight_Lord | kspath do you know how i can check that? |
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| 11:28.51 | ne0futur | verify also you opened everything necessary in the firewall for nfs , on client and server |
| 11:29.03 | ne0futur | tcp and udp, in and out |
| 11:29.12 | Knight_Lord | Server packet stats: |
| 11:29.13 | Knight_Lord | packets udp tcp tcpconn |
| 11:29.13 | Knight_Lord | 27233465 18267962 8965503 2990 |
| 11:29.28 | kspath | Knight_Lord: Did it ever work? This was working but suddenly this has happened? |
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| 11:29.35 | Knight_Lord | It works on and off |
| 11:29.49 | digital_ | check rpcinfo -p localhost if portmap is really registered and running |
| 11:29.51 | Knight_Lord | It works fine from some fedora machines on the same network |
| 11:30.05 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.05 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.13 | kspath | Knight_Lord: Common firewall configurations? |
| 11:30.24 | digital_ | hm.. looks good |
| 11:30.32 | Knight_Lord | kspath yes, there is no firewall |
| 11:30.59 | Knight_Lord | and if it was a firewall problem i guess it wouldn't work at all |
| 11:31.10 | Knight_Lord | It usually starts to have problem when i open lots of files at the same time |
| 11:31.12 | Knight_Lord | Or big files |
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| 11:31.33 | Knight_Lord | I tried different kernel versions from 2.6 without much luck |
| 11:32.08 | kspath | Knight_Lord: try setting the client machine network card to not auto-negotiate rather 100Mbps FD Full-Duplex |
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| 11:32.41 | Knight_Lord | kspath how do i do that? |
| 11:32.47 | kspath | Knight_Lord: Work from the bottom up. Network cable, network card(s), and ... |
| 11:33.08 | Knight_Lord | kspath during the whole time i can ssh to the server |
| 11:33.16 | kspath | Knight_Lord: This is #debian and I am already off-topic. |
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| 11:33.39 | Knight_Lord | kspath even while i get the nfs: server davinci not responding, still trying |
| 11:34.08 | Knight_Lord | So i'm guessing it's all fine on cable's and cards |
| 11:34.30 | kspath | Knight_Lord: This is #debian and I am already off-topic. I have hinted at what to check. Keep guessing. If you want to be a professional check/confirm. |
| 11:34.30 | Knight_Lord | I don't think it's that offtopic |
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| 11:34.52 | Knight_Lord | it's a debian client having problems accessing a debian nfs server |
| 11:35.13 | kspath | Knight_Lord: It is not a debian problem. |
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| 11:35.26 | digital_ | you could try adding rsize=4096,wsize=4096 as fstab options |
| 11:35.28 | Knight_Lord | kspath why do you say so? |
| 11:35.47 | Knight_Lord | digital_ smaller chunks? |
| 11:35.53 | r3set`mobil | is nfs-kernel-server active? |
| 11:35.53 | r3set`mobil | are you sure about that? |
| 11:36.03 | Knight_Lord | r3set`mobil on the server, sure |
| 11:36.04 | digital_ | kspath no one's speaking in here.. you could help this guy with your written lines instead of moaning about offtopic |
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| 11:36.24 | digital_ | Knight_Lord have you already set this option? |
| 11:36.42 | kspath | digital_: I am not moaning. It is off-topic. I am not stopping anyone else from helping someone off-topic. |
| 11:36.43 | Knight_Lord | digital_ can i do remount with them or do i have to umount first? |
| 11:36.56 | digital_ | you have to umount |
| 11:37.13 | Knight_Lord | ok i'll be right back (it's my home) |
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| 11:39.29 | lehel | hello |
| 11:39.35 | r3set`mobil | hi |
| 11:40.07 | lehel | what is happenin? i get 0% [waiting for headers], i did an apt-get clean/check/update |
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| 11:40.28 | judge | apt-setup should help you |
| 11:40.43 | r3set`mobil | maybe the servers that are in you sources.list have high load or are down |
| 11:40.54 | redblades | Hi, I'm trying to rip some songs using CD using CD Player, but the MP3 option is greyed out |
| 11:41.10 | Knight_Lord | digital_ no problems yet |
| 11:41.18 | tralala | redblades: ripperX |
| 11:41.23 | lehel | thanks judge, r3set`mobil [i'll check all] |
| 11:41.27 | Knight_Lord | digital_ what's the point of the option? |
| 11:41.29 | digital_ | this is often mentioned as a solution for this Knight_Lord |
| 11:41.45 | digital_ | more transferred chunks at once |
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| 11:42.08 | digital_ | or better to say, larger |
| 11:42.15 | tralala | redblades: you might need lame from marillat |
| 11:42.30 | r3set`mobil | apt-get install lame |
| 11:42.37 | Knight_Lord | digital_ so it's a lack of bandwidth problem? |
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| 11:43.03 | r3set`mobil | when you've got the marillat source ;) |
| 11:43.49 | digital_ | i don't think so.. more a local problem of dealing with too small packets, and so getting more overhead |
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| 11:44.15 | lehel | people, i'm trying to enter on a router from a text-based browser[links2], i'm accessing the router with [just] a password, seemly "links2" don't want to let me, any other solution? |
| 11:44.25 | digital_ | but for a lan the 4096, or 8192 should be absolutely safe |
| 11:44.28 | Knight_Lord | digital_ Thanks a lot for the help :-) |
| 11:44.42 | digital_ | i hope it helps a bit :) no problem |
| 11:44.42 | tralala | lehel: lynx,w3m |
| 11:44.44 | Knight_Lord | digital_ yea i heard some prople try to go all the way to 32 |
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| 11:45.09 | Knight_Lord | 32k i mean. Yes it help a lot, i couldn't work with all the iowait problems, when dealing with large files |
| 11:45.53 | tralala | I have read a recomendation of 8k for [rw]size. It works just fine with me |
| 11:46.27 | Knight_Lord | Any way to check the default size? Is it kernel dependent? |
| 11:46.35 | digital_ | i think the internal limit is 8k anyway |
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| 11:46.42 | Knight_Lord | I just want to try to understand why it worked on the redhat |
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| 11:47.47 | csaba198 | Hi! I have an onboard ethernet controller, it' s chipset is rtl8201CL. Does anybody know which module(s) should i load to make it work? Knoppix doesn' t know it automatically. |
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| 11:48.39 | quhan | dli, thanks, I fix it up |
| 11:48.51 | redblades | what is the marillat mirror |
| 11:48.52 | redblades | ? |
| 11:48.54 | Knight_Lord | Reading the nfs manpage in both system they say the default rsize is 1024 |
| 11:49.10 | quhan | I installed these packages :gtk-theme-switch gtk-smooth-themes gtk-engines-smooth gtk2-engines-smooth |
| 11:49.18 | tralala | !tell redblades -about marillat |
| 11:49.18 | quhan | Then I could config it |
| 11:49.35 | r3set`mobil | csaba198, have you got a sis mainboard? |
| 11:49.55 | r3set`mobil | or better said asrock? |
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| 11:52.38 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me, seeing as i have a p4, would anything run faster if i got a 686 kernel? |
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| 11:52.48 | krnl`- | hi |
| 11:52.49 | csaba198 | r3set`mobil: it' s an msi mainboard. |
| 11:52.59 | Knight_Lord | brownie17 likely yes |
| 11:53.02 | krnl`- | i've got free space on my hd. how can i increase an existing partition ext3? |
| 11:53.13 | csaba198 | r3set`mobil: however i tried to insmod sis900, and it succeed, but still i cannot reach eth0. |
| 11:53.14 | r3set`mobil | but the chipset... is it sis? |
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| 11:53.22 | Knight_Lord | krnl`- parted i guess works, but i'm always suspicious about such things |
| 11:53.25 | Tidus | mmm. Microsh@t international |
| 11:53.26 | r3set`mobil | seems so |
| 11:53.30 | Tidus | my old p3 gots one of those boards |
| 11:53.40 | r3set`mobil | try http://www.sis.com/download/download_step1.php |
| 11:54.07 | csaba198 | r3set`mobil: the chipset is nvidia mcp51 |
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| 11:54.24 | novata | hi... |
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| 11:54.50 | Tidus | csaba198: your ethernet device is probably forcedeth then |
| 11:54.59 | Tidus | if it's an nvidia chipset |
| 11:55.22 | r3set`mobil | right |
| 11:55.26 | r3set`mobil | could be |
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| 11:55.44 | r3set`mobil | i've also got an msi mainboard and i'm using forcedeth, too |
| 11:56.26 | csaba198 | Tidus: I insmoded forcedeth, and tried ifconfig eth0 up, but unf. still doesn' t work. |
| 11:56.33 | krnl`- | thnx |
| 11:56.47 | Knight_Lord | csaba198 i think it's a strange driver |
| 11:56.48 | novata | i only have 1 kernel in grub. When i boot it, it says: "begin: waiting for root file sistem.....Done. ALERT /dev/hda1 does not exists. Dropping to a shell. Any help? |
| 11:56.49 | Tidus | hrm... |
| 11:57.31 | csaba198 | Knight_Lord: ? How do You mean strange? |
| 11:57.38 | Knight_Lord | novata could be many kinds of problems. Do you know what partitions you have? |
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| 11:57.58 | Knight_Lord | csaba198 like not supported by the kernel and you need to download the driver from sis.com |
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| 11:58.17 | novata | Knight_Lord: with cd rescue, i suppose i can know about it. |
| 11:58.20 | thunder00 | hello.. is there a nice tui application that changes date/time on debian ? |
| 11:58.55 | blondie | thunder00: use ntp |
| 11:59.00 | Knight_Lord | novata sure, i'm not sure but you might be able to run fdisk from the shell you ended up in |
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| 11:59.15 | Sp4rKy | Hi all |
| 11:59.42 | tralala | thunder00: I guess by "tui" you mean cli. If this is the case you need date and hwclock (for the bios clock) |
| 12:00.00 | blondie | tralala: I think he's more likely to mean gui |
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| 12:00.20 | brosioz | how could i make a broadcast ping on all my lan to see host up ? |
| 12:00.25 | thunder00 | TUI = Text User Interface |
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| 12:00.31 | brosioz | ping 192.168.1.255 -b doesnt works |
| 12:00.35 | novata | Knight_Lord: hda1 -> / , hda1 -> not used, hda3-> ntfs (boot), hda5 -> swap, hda6-> fat32 |
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| 12:00.45 | tralala | thunder00: I know it as command line interface |
| 12:00.49 | blondie | brosioz: if it doesnt work, you cant |
| 12:01.06 | tralala | thunder00: man date |
| 12:01.07 | brosioz | blondie: don't said stupid things |
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| 12:01.23 | Knight_Lord | csaba198 http://driver2.sis.com/linux/lan/sis190191_linux.tar.gz |
| 12:01.24 | thunder00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.30 | SpAnIaRd | hello folks...having trouble configuring mailscanner with spamassassin |
| 12:01.33 | blondie | brosioz: error |
| 12:01.44 | SpAnIaRd | checked logs...says it is doing spam checks but it never blocks anything |
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| 12:01.49 | brosioz | i'm root |
| 12:01.51 | SpAnIaRd | address blocking works |
| 12:01.54 | brosioz | so i can bing |
| 12:01.58 | brosioz | ping |
| 12:02.01 | tralala | !find hwclock |
| 12:02.04 | SpAnIaRd | but it doesn't block extreme swearing, words etc |
| 12:02.05 | blondie | you dont need to be root to ping |
| 12:02.05 | brosioz | the others hosts reply |
| 12:02.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hwclock' (3 of 4): (/etc/apm/scripts.d/hwclock) in admin/apmd ;; (/usr/share/insserv/overrides/{hwclock.sh|hwclockfirst.sh}) in misc/insserv ;; (/sbin/hwclock, /etc/init.d/{hwclock.sh|hwclockfirst.sh}, /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock.gz) in utils/util-linux. |
| 12:02.23 | Knight_Lord | novata are you sure the kernel recognizes the harddrives? Is this a fresh installation? |
| 12:02.31 | blondie | brosioz: like I said, if it doesn't work, you can't do it |
| 12:02.34 | blondie | use nmap or something |
| 12:02.38 | SpAnIaRd | any ideas anyone? |
| 12:02.45 | zu22 | k-google: ok, thx |
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| 12:03.00 | brosioz | so why doesn't work ? |
| 12:03.08 | novata | Knight_Lord: no. I have been doing things for manage wifi conection with wpa |
| 12:03.17 | blondie | shrug |
| 12:03.29 | Knight_Lord | novata did you changed your kernel? |
| 12:03.38 | Knight_Lord | novata why did it stop to work? |
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| 12:03.42 | joadmin | hello |
| 12:03.52 | novata | Knight_Lord: i dont know |
| 12:04.03 | Knight_Lord | novata when did it stop to work? |
| 12:04.11 | Knight_Lord | novata did you change your kernel or not? |
| 12:04.19 | novata | Knight_Lord: not. |
| 12:04.25 | joadmin | When I add users I would like to be added to certain groups, it has to be done automatic while invoking adduser. Is that possible? |
| 12:04.38 | Knight_Lord | novata what's the FS of hda1? |
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| 12:05.10 | tralala | joadmin: what does the manual have to say on this subject? |
| 12:05.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:05.15 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:05.25 | novata | Knight_Lord: ext3 |
| 12:05.31 | novata | Knight_Lord: ext3 on / |
| 12:06.24 | Knight_Lord | novata can't you remember what kinds of changes you did? Because right now it's difficult to diagnose |
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| 12:06.55 | joadmin | tralala: i'm not admin currently and there are no manpages availble |
| 12:07.28 | joadmin | tralala: it has to be added by default, not by hand |
| 12:07.38 | tralala | joadmin: most (if not all) of the man pages are available on the web |
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| 12:08.39 | Knight_Lord | joadmin you can use /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local |
| 12:08.49 | Knight_Lord | joadmin which is run after every adduser |
| 12:09.09 | FabParma | how to create a samba file server without using X? |
| 12:09.22 | novata | Knight_Lord:changes for manage wifi packages: firmaware, wpasuplicant....things so.... |
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| 12:09.46 | Knight_Lord | FabParma apt-get install samba? |
| 12:09.59 | blondie | FabParma: install samba, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 12:10.05 | blondie | and read the manul at samba.org |
| 12:10.10 | *** part/#debian vree (n=vree@131.11.static.phpg.net) |
| 12:10.10 | blondie | *manuals |
| 12:10.20 | Knight_Lord | novata so you didn't change important files like fstab and /boot files? |
| 12:10.27 | FabParma | blondie: i done, but its terribly complicates |
| 12:10.45 | blondie | FabParma: did you read the manual? |
| 12:11.02 | Shadowcat | heh samba manual |
| 12:11.07 | Shadowcat | he probably didn't |
| 12:11.15 | blondie | well there's lots of docs on the website |
| 12:11.16 | FabParma | blondie: just a bit |
| 12:11.22 | blondie | with examples etc |
| 12:11.34 | blondie | FabParma: read it more then please |
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| 12:11.36 | Shadowcat | $10 says he didn't read it |
| 12:11.47 | FabParma | blondie: ill do... |
| 12:11.49 | Knight_Lord | FabParma but i agree samba is way too complex |
| 12:11.57 | novata | Knight_Lord: no |
| 12:12.00 | FabParma | Knight_Lord: thanx |
| 12:12.02 | blondie | samba isn't too complex |
| 12:12.16 | FabParma | it is |
| 12:12.17 | Shadowcat | samba isn't complex unless you happen to want to run a pdc on it |
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| 12:12.24 | Shadowcat | and if you do |
| 12:12.26 | redblades | How do I run a *.php? |
| 12:12.30 | FabParma | in gui mode its easy |
| 12:12.30 | Shadowcat | why the hell aren't reading the manual? |
| 12:12.31 | blondie | I run a PDC on it, and it's not even complex then ;) |
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| 12:12.43 | blondie | well I don't think it is |
| 12:12.44 | Shadowcat | FabParma: get over it |
| 12:12.45 | zu22 | liable: thx |
| 12:12.48 | Shadowcat | read the documentation |
| 12:12.50 | Knight_Lord | It doesn't try to be a simple system, it tries to do too much and it's too complex |
| 12:12.53 | FabParma | ok |
| 12:12.56 | FabParma | bye |
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| 12:13.10 | Shadowcat | Knight_Lord: it's complex because a windows domain controller is complex |
| 12:13.11 | Knight_Lord | Just look at the ammount of code needed |
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| 12:13.20 | Shadowcat | and that's what it's attempting to be |
| 12:13.23 | Knight_Lord | That's what i said, it's complex |
| 12:13.28 | Shadowcat | it's not overly engineered for its task |
| 12:13.31 | blondie | if you want it to be easy peasy then run Windows XP |
| 12:13.34 | ArtistAgent | Hello All. |
| 12:13.40 | redblades | Hi |
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| 12:13.54 | zu22 | hey |
| 12:13.55 | Shadowcat | compared to what's in an NT4 server, it's not "complex" at all |
| 12:13.58 | redblades | So how do I run *.php ? |
| 12:14.08 | Shadowcat | redblades: #php |
| 12:14.19 | redblades | okay |
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| 12:14.52 | Knight_Lord | Shadowcat they should try to break such a complex system in smaller parts. The problem is not samba it's the whole idea |
| 12:15.12 | SpAnIaRd | anyone? |
| 12:15.22 | SpAnIaRd | is anyone able to help me with my mailscanner spamassassin problem? |
| 12:15.29 | Shadowcat | !ask |
| 12:15.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:15.48 | SpAnIaRd | spamassassin isn't blocking properly |
| 12:15.49 | blondie | jeez, samba is intended to be run by sysadmins hopefully with clue |
| 12:16.00 | SpAnIaRd | it blocks by addressess |
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| 12:16.05 | SpAnIaRd | but it doesn't do any other blocking |
| 12:16.05 | blondie | SpAnIaRd: try a spamassasin chennl |
| 12:16.08 | blondie | *channel |
| 12:16.14 | SpAnIaRd | they dont talk |
| 12:16.16 | SpAnIaRd | lol |
| 12:16.18 | blondie | tough |
| 12:16.20 | Shadowcat | then idle and wait |
| 12:16.21 | brownie17 | what command should i use to restart the CUPS server? |
| 12:16.25 | SpAnIaRd | they're all bots |
| 12:16.27 | SpAnIaRd | most of them |
| 12:16.32 | blondie | !they won't help |
| 12:16.34 | Shadowcat | so are we |
| 12:16.36 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 12:16.41 | blondie | or whatever that command is |
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| 12:16.46 | Shadowcat | we're all products of dondelelcaro |
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| 12:17.34 | redblades | How do I remove a program that I have compiled? |
| 12:17.47 | Knight_Lord | redblades rm <program> |
| 12:17.56 | blondie | make uninstall maybe |
| 12:18.10 | Shadowcat | weekend arrives early this week |
| 12:18.19 | Shadowcat | we're already getting weird questions |
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| 12:18.24 | blondie | it does for me |
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| 12:18.28 | blondie | friday-saturday |
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| 12:18.40 | redblades | rm php-5.1.1 ? |
| 12:18.40 | brownie17 | who knows what command i could use to restart the CUPs server |
| 12:18.45 | redblades | would that work? |
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| 12:19.06 | Knight_Lord | brownie17 /etc/init.d/cupsys restart? |
| 12:19.12 | blondie | brownie17: the same way as most other servers on debian |
| 12:19.35 | CrazyEddy | Anybody got a quick fix for this? It's trying to mmap 83Mib when the system has 192Mib ram. -> xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer (0xd2000000,0x5000000) (Cannot allocate memory) |
| 12:19.39 | blondie | or to be more correct, "I know" |
| 12:20.13 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmm. |
| 12:21.12 | novata | Knight_Lord: first line on grub kernel is: root (hda0,0). is it right? |
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| 12:21.35 | Knight_Lord | novata if it worked before and you didn't change it, sure it's correct |
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| 12:21.52 | Shadowcat | I think he's trying to install grub |
| 12:21.59 | Shadowcat | in which case, read info grub |
| 12:22.34 | novata | Knight_Lord: one frind yesterday said me to test this way. |
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| 12:22.59 | Knight_Lord | novata test what? |
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| 12:24.12 | brownie17 | i can delete my installed printers!?!?! |
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| 12:24.13 | brownie17 | why!??! |
| 12:24.35 | novata | Knight_Lord: if system could start and load root file system |
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| 12:28.39 | redblades | How do I remove programs I have compiled? |
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| 12:28.47 | redblades | which files must be removed? |
| 12:28.50 | streuner | redblades: rm |
| 12:28.52 | streuner | yes |
| 12:28.56 | freelancer | hi good peoples:) |
| 12:28.56 | streuner | /usr/local/ |
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| 12:29.56 | pipeline | redblades: Heh, you've just run into the great problem with not being careful. |
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| 12:30.07 | redblades | what? |
| 12:30.07 | pipeline | redblades: If you have the source tree still, you can usually "make deinstall" or "make uninstall" |
| 12:30.36 | pipeline | redblades: In the future, be sure to use "checkinstall" -- it's a program that generates fake packages from source trees, so that you can easily remove them. It doesn't do dependency information or any of the other stuff a real package would have, but at least you don't have to worry about how hard it will be to remove it. |
| 12:30.52 | Meaw | anyone have good expirence in pppoe server? |
| 12:31.15 | pipeline | Meaw: I've never had a good experience with PPPoE. PPPoE, in a nutshell, is a journey through hell. |
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| 12:31.38 | Meaw | i'd install pppoe server |
| 12:31.39 | CaT[tm] | I've been using pppoe for 2yrs+ without a single hitch |
| 12:31.54 | Meaw | im trying to connect from another windows clinet it says " wrong password" |
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| 12:32.09 | redblades | I'm in the I untarred, it has all the files in it, but neither uninstall nor deinstall work |
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| 12:32.31 | Knight_Lord | redblades why do you want to uninstall? |
| 12:32.40 | redblades | I misconfigured it |
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| 12:32.57 | Knight_Lord | redblades then reconfigure and install again |
| 12:32.58 | redblades | and I know how to do it right from a reinstall |
| 12:33.03 | Meaw | CaT[tm] so can u help me solving this problem |
| 12:33.14 | redblades | I don't know how |
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| 12:33.24 | Knight_Lord | redblades what don't you know? |
| 12:33.24 | CaT[tm] | meaw: maybe. what exactly is it? |
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| 12:33.26 | visik7 | hi guys |
| 12:34.15 | Meaw | CaT[tm] i install the server im trying to connect from another winxp machine, it says wrong user/pass |
| 12:34.28 | CaT[tm] | meaw: pppoe or pptp? |
| 12:34.42 | Meaw | pppoe |
| 12:34.47 | Meaw | this package rp-pppoe |
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| 12:35.20 | CaT[tm] | meaw: sorry. I've only ever used pppoe to connect via adsl over a bridged modem. |
| 12:35.33 | sambrista | hi! I installed debian on an old laptop (pentium II @ 233 Mhz) and now i'm trying to optimize it. I thought about disabling services and i found that i have activated anacron, cron and atd , and the three of them are used for the same thing. The same happens with klogd and sysklogd). My question is: can i left installed only one of them? which one? Another way of saving CPU or RAM?? Thanks |
| 12:35.36 | bluefox83 | ok...how do i install the nvidia drivers the debian way? something to do with module assistant right? |
| 12:36.09 | azeem | sambrista: anacron and cron are not the same thing |
| 12:36.17 | Meaw | CaT[tm] i just install the rp-pppoe server in my debian machine, and im trying to connect to it from winxp |
| 12:36.20 | azeem | sambrista: neither are syslogd and klogd, AFAIK |
| 12:36.25 | Meaw | u told me u used it for 2 years |
| 12:36.37 | blondie | !u |
| 12:36.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:36.42 | visik7 | is there something better than Debian New Maintainers' Guide that explain cdbs buildd and other tools ? |
| 12:36.54 | azeem | visik7: cdbs and buildd are two different things |
| 12:37.02 | visik7 | yes I know |
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| 12:37.10 | azeem | visik7: I believe the latest cdbs package in unstable has much better documentation |
| 12:37.28 | azeem | visik7: as for buildd, see http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ |
| 12:37.43 | CaT[tm] | meaw: why? |
| 12:37.46 | sambrista | azeem: oh, i thought they were. |
| 12:37.53 | redblades | Okay, basically, I just want to get rid of PHP and Apache2 and restart the whole thing |
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| 12:38.03 | Meaw | what why |
| 12:38.14 | blondie | why are you using pppoe on your lan? |
| 12:38.18 | Meaw | im going to install freeraduis and dialup admin on it too |
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| 12:38.46 | oc | with what search string do i find the R statistics package in dselect |
| 12:38.48 | CaT[tm] | meaw: why are you attempting to create a pppoe tunnel from your winxp box to your debian box? |
| 12:38.52 | oc | a simple R doesnt do the trick |
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| 12:39.13 | blondie | oc: complain to the people who made it for the retarded name |
| 12:39.26 | Meaw | CaT[tm] it's network i wanna share connection with my clients using pppoe |
| 12:39.53 | chrysopa | hildi, anybody know if clamscan clear an infetcted file? |
| 12:40.00 | Knight_Lord | oc r-base? |
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| 12:40.05 | petemc | oc: apt-cache search statistics |
| 12:40.09 | Knight_Lord | oc apt-cache search r |grep statistics |
| 12:40.32 | CaT[tm] | meaw: I could be wrong but I think you're confused. :) |
| 12:40.49 | bluefox83 | hrm... nvidia-glx is not in unstable :/ |
| 12:41.16 | jumperz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.16 | Knight_Lord | bluefox83 it is |
| 12:41.47 | dererk | Morning |
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| 12:42.07 | turi | can anyone help me with tcpdump and iptables ? : |
| 12:42.21 | tralala | turi: perhaps |
| 12:42.29 | Knight_Lord | What program would you recommend to create movies from a bunch of pictures? |
| 12:42.40 | tralala | Knight_Lord: mencoder |
| 12:42.42 | dererk | If you start explaining it, then..... turi |
| 12:43.04 | turi | 12:47:18.133806 IP dolox.com.ssh > c-68-82-174-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net.2351: P 2816872:2817036(164) ack 13209 win 8576 |
| 12:43.11 | turi | i have like 500 of these in my tcpdump |
| 12:43.17 | Knight_Lord | tralala thanks |
| 12:43.17 | redblades | So how would I do that> |
| 12:43.19 | redblades | ? |
| 12:43.35 | turi | what do they mean, i know that's my ip |
| 12:43.38 | turi | but what does it mean |
| 12:43.49 | dererk | stop service then |
| 12:44.12 | turi | dlx1:~# iptables --list |
| 12:44.12 | turi | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Module is wrong version |
| 12:44.12 | turi | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 12:44.12 | turi | dlx1:~# |
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| 12:44.19 | turi | sorry :( |
| 12:44.20 | tralala | !tell turi -about paste |
| 12:44.28 | turi | !paste |
| 12:44.29 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:45.31 | turi | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Module is wrong version; Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 12:45.37 | turi | that's the error i get, so how can i fix that? |
| 12:46.32 | petemc | turi: perhaps iptables or your kernel needs upgraded |
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| 12:47.22 | turi | how can i check my kernel version ? |
| 12:47.23 | jAZON | hi all. does anyone have a reccomendation for photo printing? It is the ONLY reason I even have a windows partition left on my box.... |
| 12:47.33 | petemc | turi: uname |
| 12:47.43 | turi | just says Linux :l |
| 12:47.49 | petemc | man uname |
| 12:47.59 | jethro | !version |
| 12:48.00 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 12:48.08 | turi | k got ya |
| 12:48.18 | Gathond | jAZON: I think there is something called gimpprint, but I don't know how well it works |
| 12:49.06 | jAZON | Gathond: thx, yeah, I have it. Still doesn't hold a candle to even the embedded windows stuff |
| 12:49.08 | pipeline | jAZON, Gathond : gimpprint is just a set of printer drivers. A set of very bad printer drivers. |
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| 12:49.18 | Gathond | pipeline: ok |
| 12:49.18 | turi | Linux dlx1 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 9 08:38:33 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:49.25 | pipeline | jAZON, Gathond : Tough shit. If you can afford windows, why the hell not use that? |
| 12:49.26 | jAZON | pipeline: i have gutenprint |
| 12:49.33 | turi | iptables v1.2.11] |
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| 12:49.44 | turi | that's currently what i have installed |
| 12:49.46 | Enchanter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.14 | jAZON | it is wasting space on my hard drive. i want to complete the transitin to debian. |
| 12:50.25 | Gathond | pipeline: because windows machines tend to severely annoy me:) |
| 12:50.47 | turi | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/iptables |
| 12:50.54 | turi | i have no idea which package to choose though :( |
| 12:50.59 | jAZON | Enchanter: boot with a livecd, and set boot option with cfdisk ???? |
| 12:51.32 | turi | can anyone tell me which package i need ? |
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| 12:52.06 | blowfish | hello |
| 12:52.11 | turi | hello |
| 12:52.18 | redblades | Hello |
| 12:52.24 | blowfish | i got some problems creating some dev files |
| 12:52.29 | blowfish | i add another hdd on my server |
| 12:52.35 | blowfish | i run 2.6.16 |
| 12:52.44 | blowfish | and it dont create de /dev/hdc file device |
| 12:52.49 | blowfish | and on 2.6.9 it creates it |
| 12:52.54 | blowfish | but 2.6.9 use devfsd |
| 12:53.04 | blowfish | and on 2.6.16 i think devfsd is not used anymore |
| 12:53.12 | blowfish | there is a fixup for my problem? |
| 12:53.20 | Enchanter | jAZON: livecd? u mean my installation dvd? |
| 12:53.32 | quebee | Make sure all extensions are built in Xext how doI do this |
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| 12:53.50 | tralala | !tell blowfish -about enter |
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| 12:54.24 | blowfish | tralala ok i get the picture thank you for information |
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| 12:57.54 | Enchanter | jAZON? |
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| 12:58.05 | agney | is there any application like portsentry ? |
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| 12:58.32 | seeS | anyone got a nvidia card to work with the new xog |
| 12:58.37 | stew | agney: like portsentry but not portsentry itself? |
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| 12:58.44 | jethro | seeS: yes. |
| 12:58.46 | stew | seeS: checked the Xorg69To7 page? |
| 12:58.47 | Jeffjohnson | agney: "apt-cache search portscan detect" |
| 12:58.53 | agney | stew, portsentry is obsolet |
| 12:59.03 | seeS | stew: yeah, but it didnt help |
| 12:59.22 | agney | Jeffjohnson, nothing like portsentry |
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| 12:59.33 | seeS | the nv driver sucks, it just crashes or locks up, nvidia wants the old xserver-common |
| 12:59.42 | stew | agney: in what way is it obsolete? |
| 12:59.49 | Jeffjohnson | agney: i've get 4 results |
| 12:59.56 | agney | Jeffjohnson, me too |
| 13:00.09 | agney | Jeffjohnson, none of them do what portsentry do |
| 13:00.11 | jethro | seeS: weird, the Xorg69To7 page did help me to fix my nvidia problems. |
| 13:00.11 | seeS | stew/jethro: which driver did you use? nv or the binary one? |
| 13:00.20 | jethro | seeS: nvidia. |
| 13:00.31 | agney | Jeffjohnson, cisco bought pscionic and portsentry is not available anymore |
| 13:00.38 | Jeffjohnson | agney: the description sounds equal :) |
| 13:00.41 | seeS | ok, so was it nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 13:00.49 | jethro | agney: detecting portscans is useless anyway. |
| 13:01.16 | jethro | seeS: I can't tell for sure, as I don't have my laptop with sid at hand. |
| 13:01.17 | agney | jethro, I know |
| 13:01.25 | jethro | agney: so why bother? |
| 13:01.32 | seeS | jethro: how did you get it installed when x11-common wants xserver-common gone, but nvidia-glx needs xserver-common? |
| 13:01.51 | agney | jethro, one situation that requires this |
| 13:01.52 | agney | :) |
| 13:01.54 | jethro | seeS: I don't recall exactly. I had to remove stuff, then reinstall. |
| 13:02.04 | jethro | agney: mind if I ask you which situation? :) |
| 13:02.30 | jethro | seeS: my problems were because of path changes. |
| 13:02.37 | bluefox83 | how do i unload a module from the kernel? |
| 13:02.43 | jethro | bluefox83: rmmod. |
| 13:02.47 | bluefox83 | ty |
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| 13:03.42 | agney | jethro, I wanna test a tool like portsentry to help me with my ids |
| 13:04.02 | jethro | agney: hu? |
| 13:04.11 | stew | agney: is there a reason that portsentry wont work for you? |
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| 13:06.18 | quebee | Make sure all extensions are built in Xext how doI do this?? |
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| 13:09.51 | agney | stew, I was just looking for something more recent |
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| 13:12.08 | bluefox83 | ok, this is driving me nuts... |
| 13:12.14 | seeeS | 7964 tty7 Rs+ 3:03 X <-- at least i now know what it is doing |
| 13:12.26 | bluefox83 | where does xorg keep it's logs? i can't remember for some stupid reason |
| 13:12.35 | seeeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.39 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 13:12.45 | seeeS | ive been looking there far too much tonight |
| 13:12.46 | turi | can anyone help me ? |
| 13:13.00 | RobHu | debootstrap --arch x86_64 sarge /mnt/debianstock/ tells me its an invalid release. How can I see a list of valid releases? |
| 13:13.04 | ljt | turi, what's wrong |
| 13:13.25 | turi | when i try to use iptables --list its telling me my module is the wrong version |
| 13:13.26 | RobHu | It says E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-x86_64/Packages |
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| 13:13.32 | turi | says i need to update kernel or iptables |
| 13:13.46 | turi | iptables version: iptables v1.2.11 |
| 13:13.51 | snyfer | hello! i need a way for zip files > than 2gb with debian (tar,zip,...) in such a way that i can recover them under windows without putting them together to a > 2gb file - because windows file system can't handle that - any ideas? thx snyfr |
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| 13:13.54 | turi | my system kernel is: Linux dlx1 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 9 08:38:33 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:14.06 | RobHu | i386 works.. how do I tell which other ones there are? |
| 13:14.11 | turi | i found the iptables sources at: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/iptables |
| 13:14.17 | turi | but imnot sure which one to get ? |
| 13:14.29 | turi | can you help me pick which one ljt ? |
| 13:14.40 | LinuxBlues | hi, where can I configure my locales LC_ALL and LANG? I've installed debian via network and I don't have localechooser... |
| 13:14.49 | ljt | turi, sorry, poor at this field |
| 13:15.10 | stew | turi: what command is giving you that error? |
| 13:15.35 | turi | iptables --list |
| 13:15.42 | dutche- | does anybody knows if I can make an array with shell script? |
| 13:15.50 | turi | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Module is wrong version |
| 13:15.50 | turi | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 13:15.54 | bluefox83 | where can i find a list of sources? mine seem to be crap |
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| 13:16.16 | stew | turi: what happens when you run "modprobe iptable_filter" ? |
| 13:16.27 | stew | bluefox83: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 13:16.30 | turi | nothing |
| 13:16.41 | turi | it just brings up the command line again |
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| 13:16.53 | stew | turi: try iptables -L again |
| 13:17.09 | turi | same |
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| 13:17.44 | turi | any idea stew? |
| 13:17.58 | turi | im thinking changing the iptables version |
| 13:17.59 | turi | ;l |
| 13:18.00 | snyfer | any ideas on the zip > 2gb ? :) |
| 13:18.09 | nkuttler | dutche-: yes you can |
| 13:18.17 | zinx | snyfer: debian zip supports > 2gb |
| 13:18.32 | stew | turi: you have a kernel from stable and iptables from stable, they should be cooperating |
| 13:18.41 | zinx | well, on amd64 anyway.. i think it does on 32-bit too :x |
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| 13:18.50 | dutche- | nkuttler, oh tnx...I found that... is with -- varname[1] varname[2] , right? |
| 13:18.56 | snyfer | zinx: yes i now that -> but when you zip the files on to a fat32 file system this file system can't handle files > 2gb |
| 13:19.04 | zinx | snyfer: duh |
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| 13:19.11 | zinx | snyfer: FAT32 itself can't handle that, afaik |
| 13:19.17 | turi | their not though :l |
| 13:19.18 | stew | turi: have you looked through the bts? |
| 13:19.23 | zinx | snyfer: use a real filesystem |
| 13:19.25 | turi | no :l |
| 13:20.03 | snyfer | zinx: :) i know what you mean ;) have you any ideas like splitting the files in such a way that windows fat32 can handle that? :) |
| 13:20.21 | zinx | snyfer: split, or zipsplit |
| 13:20.38 | snyfer | zinx: zipsplit? .. i will have a look on that ... thx |
| 13:20.38 | turi | stew what are the bts? |
| 13:20.44 | stew | !bts |
| 13:20.45 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:22.14 | turi | can i just try to reinstalling the package ? |
| 13:22.33 | quebee | Make sure all extensions are built in Xext how doI do this?? |
| 13:22.36 | stew | turi: apt-get install --reinstall iptables ; but its not likely to do anything |
| 13:23.02 | stew | turi: if you want to try a newer version you could try backports.org ; /msg dpkg backports ; http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 13:23.21 | turi | i could just download the package |
| 13:23.22 | turi | and use dpkg |
| 13:23.32 | turi | but i dont know which one to download stew |
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| 13:23.44 | turi | that's all im asking which one is suppost to go with my system :l |
| 13:23.47 | stew | turi: you need the one from backports |
| 13:23.52 | bluefox83 | how do i get the information about an installed package? dpkg something or other? |
| 13:24.00 | stew | turi: you don't want to install a testing or unstable binary on your stable system |
| 13:24.10 | bluefox83 | i seem to have two versions of the same nvidia-kernel package installed... |
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| 13:24.34 | stew | bluefox83: dpkg -l packagename ; dpkg -l | grep nvidia ; apt-cache policy packagename... |
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| 13:26.09 | sturmflut | I'm searching for a S-ATA 2 controller with at least two channels that is supported by the default-kernel in Debian Sarge |
| 13:26.27 | sturmflut | The Promise TX2300 here apparently doesn't work |
| 13:27.39 | bluefox83 | ok, my nvidia-glx and my nvidia-kernel and nvidia-kernel-source are different versions.. |
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| 13:27.57 | Rothgar` | apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8 |
| 13:27.57 | Rothgar` | No such package? |
| 13:27.59 | bluefox83 | seems to be causing problems with xorg |
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| 13:28.59 | turi | stewy |
| 13:29.02 | turi | i did that now what |
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| 13:29.07 | turi | stew ? |
| 13:29.29 | Rothgar` | I was reading a VMware walkthrough that used linux-source and it doesn't exist? |
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| 13:30.05 | Meaw | guys |
| 13:30.11 | zinx | !tell Rothgar` about search |
| 13:30.16 | Meaw | any one have good experince in pppoe server? |
| 13:30.26 | visik7 | server? |
| 13:30.41 | Meaw | yes |
| 13:30.41 | myboxen | Rothgar: linux-source is for newer kernels, I don't know for sure when the switch, kernel-source still works for older kernels |
| 13:30.45 | Meaw | rp-pppoe |
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| 13:31.27 | Rothgar` | zinx: It still doesn't show up |
| 13:31.50 | visik7 | Meaw: can I ask you why u want to setup a pppoe server ? |
| 13:31.57 | Rothgar` | Isn't 2.6.8 the latest stable kernel? |
| 13:32.04 | Meaw | yes , for network |
| 13:32.09 | visik7 | Rothgar`: for sarge yes |
| 13:32.13 | Meaw | i wanna setup pppoe server + freeraduis |
| 13:32.25 | visik7 | Meaw: wired or wireless ? |
| 13:32.30 | Meaw | to share connection with clients through pppoe |
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| 13:32.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:32.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:33.08 | Meaw | no not wireless |
| 13:33.11 | myboxen | Rothgar`: try apt-cache search linux-source and kernel-source |
| 13:33.21 | visik7 | Meaw: oh I understand |
| 13:33.29 | myboxen | Rothgar`: no version number |
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| 13:33.39 | Rothgar` | linux-source didn't work but I found the kernel-source |
| 13:33.44 | zinx | Rothgar`: apt-cache search linux-source doesn't show up? |
| 13:33.44 | visik7 | and you want to shape bandwidth on each ppp connection ? |
| 13:33.53 | Rothgar` | kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches |
| 13:33.57 | zinx | Rothgar`: kernel-source is the old nam |
| 13:34.03 | Meaw | no i wanna share connection with winxp clients |
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| 13:34.07 | zinx | Rothgar`: maybe you should update some time |
| 13:34.25 | Rothgar` | zinx: Update via apt-get update ? |
| 13:34.26 | Meaw | i'd setup the server but when im trying to login from xp it says wrong username/pass |
| 13:34.43 | zinx | Rothgar`: no, update via apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 13:34.44 | stew | turi: you did what exactly? |
| 13:34.48 | pigor | hello. does a linux analogon to webspeech (www.logox.de) exist? |
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| 13:35.20 | Rothgar` | zinx: A lot of it 404's I don't know how good my au mirror is |
| 13:35.20 | stew | Rothgar`: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:35.50 | Rothgar` | 3.1? |
| 13:35.57 | visik7 | Meaw: oh you want an authenticated way to give internet access to your users ? |
| 13:35.58 | stew | Rothgar`: then kernel-source-2.6.8 is not old |
| 13:36.14 | Meaw | visik7 right |
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| 13:36.24 | Rothgar` | Is 3.1 outdated or what? |
| 13:36.34 | visik7 | 3.1 is the latest stable release |
| 13:36.35 | zinx | Rothgar`: you should pick a different mirror |
| 13:36.43 | zinx | Rothgar`: your copy of it is outdated |
| 13:37.21 | zinx | Rothgar`: you shouldn't be getting 404's on update, and you should only get them on upgrade if you haven't updated |
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| 13:37.53 | Rothgar` | zinx: I get them on update |
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| 13:38.06 | stew | Rothgar`: paste your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 13:38.09 | Meaw | visik7 so do u have any idea about pppoe server |
| 13:38.16 | Rothgar` | zinx: My apt sources is a http address can I jsut change it to ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 13:38.37 | visik7 | no sorry just courious about why use it :) I've a 802.1X switch |
| 13:38.45 | myboxen | Rothgar`: pick a couple from here http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 13:38.57 | stew | Rothgar`: if you are on stable, run apt-setup |
| 13:39.03 | myboxen | Rothgar`: make sure it supports your platform on the far right |
| 13:39.22 | myboxen | stew: wouldn't he have to delete his /etc/apt/sources.list file first? |
| 13:39.27 | myboxen | or move it |
| 13:39.29 | stew | myboxen: no |
| 13:39.43 | myboxen | stew: ahh, good to know, thanks |
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| 13:40.00 | Rothgar` | stew: Thanks that works |
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| 13:42.34 | RobHu | Whats the kernel parameter so it doesnt reboot when it panics (so errors can be read from the screen) ? |
| 13:43.19 | ClubBarf | Yo, ppl. |
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| 13:44.02 | ClubBarf | I know debian doesn't like to give release dates on new releases, so I won't ask when etch is likely to be out, but does anyone know how close they are to completion? |
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| 13:44.20 | visik7 | will be out around december |
| 13:44.28 | ClubBarf | Ah, k. |
| 13:44.33 | ClubBarf | Cheers. |
| 13:44.47 | |^o_o^| | how do we know which partition is currently used as swap |
| 13:44.59 | stew | visik7: not necessarily, that's just a projection |
| 13:45.06 | nero | more /etc/fstab |
| 13:45.12 | stew | ClubBarf: http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
| 13:45.23 | Rothgar` | stew: linux-source still doesn't exist? |
| 13:45.47 | stew | Rothgar`: not in stable. it kernel-source in stable, linux-source in testing and unstable |
| 13:45.59 | ClubBarf | I wanna go 64 bit, but I don't like the idea of using the unofficial port on a machine I rely on for business calls (it's an asterisk server) |
| 13:46.09 | Rothgar` | stew: Ah |
| 13:47.03 | stew | Rothgar`: but if you are going to compile your own kernel, you can get linux-source from testing and compile that, and /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:47.14 | stew | Rothgar`: why are you compiling your own kernel in the first place? |
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| 13:49.21 | Rothgar` | stew: It's for a VMware install |
| 13:49.42 | Rothgar` | I am curious though there seems to be later kernel headers |
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| 13:50.02 | Kournikoza | hello. i'm using an IDE compact flash.. but on boot it gives me a driveready seekcomplete error.. and continues with booting, sometimes it hangs because dma timeout, how can i disable dma in the kernel for ide compact flash disks? i also have a fixed sata disk in the box which needs dma.. anyone can help me? i'm using kernel 2.6 |
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| 13:50.54 | stew | later than what? the latest should be kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 |
| 13:51.06 | Rothgar` | Yeah mine is -2 |
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| 13:51.16 | Rothgar` | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:51.25 | stew | Rothgar`: -3 was released in match as a security patch ; what cpu do you have? |
| 13:51.35 | stew | ^match^march |
| 13:51.41 | turi | stewy |
| 13:51.45 | turi | i installed it what do i do now? |
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| 13:52.30 | Rothgar` | Sempron |
| 13:52.31 | Rothgar` | Is it just as simple as apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 ? |
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| 13:53.25 | zinx | !info linux-image-2.6-686 sarge |
| 13:53.38 | zinx | wow |
| 13:53.41 | myboxen | stew: debian stable and testing both detect my cpu as 486, and my laptop is a pentium M, in addition to some other hardware issues which caused me to have to recompile my kernel. Is that something that should be filled in a bug report towards the installer? |
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| 13:54.08 | Rothgar` | !info linux-image-2.6-386 sarge |
| 13:54.10 | zinx | guess sarge doesn't use linux-* :D |
| 13:54.20 | zinx | !info kernel-image-2.6-686 sarge |
| 13:54.23 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 13:54.25 | Rothgar` | !info linux-image-2.6-3-386 sarge |
| 13:54.41 | Rothgar` | !info linux-image-2.6.8-3-386 sarge |
| 13:54.46 | stew | myboxen: no that all sounds correct. you can replace your current kernel with a 686 kernel /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel ; and you can install a 686 version of libc6, apt-get install libc6-686 |
| 13:54.52 | zinx | Rothgar`: use kernel-image-2.6-686; it will automatically depend on the latest for 686s |
| 13:55.04 | stew | Rothgar`: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 13:55.06 | zinx | Rothgar`: you can use -686 if you have "tsc" in your cpuflags |
| 13:55.14 | zinx | Rothgar`: which are listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:55.39 | myboxen | stew: I already took care of it by recompiling my kernel and got all of the hardware working correctly. I was just wondering if that was a bug... thanks |
| 13:56.55 | stew | myboxen: no, by default it will pick the lowest common denominator. btw, etch doesn't support 386 anymore, which is why it picked 486 not 386 |
| 13:57.34 | myboxen | yeah :) I noticed that. |
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| 13:58.12 | Rothgar` | zinx: I have tsc what does that stand for? |
| 13:58.20 | zinx | Rothgar`: timestamp counter or such |
| 13:58.22 | myboxen | stew: I needed to compile piixch and libata sata drivers for my hdd and cdrom as well |
| 13:58.47 | zinx | Rothgar`: you don't need to know 'bout it, really, just know that if you have it (everything even reasonably new has it), you can use -686 :D |
| 13:58.49 | Rothgar` | zinx: Is there any benefit of using 686 when I have a Sempron which is a 386 right? |
| 13:58.54 | zinx | Rothgar`: Yes. |
| 13:58.57 | zinx | Rothgar`: Huge benefits. |
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| 13:59.05 | zinx | Rothgar`: grab libc6-686 too |
| 13:59.09 | Rothgar` | zinx: Hmm ok |
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| 13:59.20 | zinx | Rothgar`: it improves performance and timer resolution |
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| 13:59.48 | zinx | well, maybe not timer resolution, but at the very least time resolution :D |
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| 14:00.07 | Blissex | Rothgar`: there is a small improvement also in using the 686 'libc6' and 686 codecs. |
| 14:01.27 | coreyfro | hey all. quick question. I want to chroot install desbian from a gentoo box. There's lots of chroot install documentation for installing debian under debian, or OOOOLD debian on anything else, but nothing modern. Anyone know where I can find such documentation? |
| 14:01.55 | Blissex | coreyfro: 'debootstrap'? |
| 14:02.27 | coreyfro | i'm installing from gentoo, I dont think that's an option, put i'll check |
| 14:03.14 | snyfer | hi! sorry can you help me with this command: find /etc -print > zip > zipsplit -n 100000k > ./test.zip |
| 14:03.29 | snyfer | there ist the error "find: unknown option -n" |
| 14:03.42 | Blissex | coreyfro: hey, thats Gentoo, compile 'deboostrap' from sources... |
| 14:03.45 | snyfer | but there is no option -n for find? |
| 14:04.16 | coreyfro | ok, cool, just found it... thanks! |
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| 14:05.38 | Rothgar` | I noticed when it booted the system it had the old kernel as well, if it boots I am safe to just apt-get remove the old kernel? |
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| 14:06.09 | turi | stew ? |
| 14:06.09 | Blissex | Rothgar`: yes, but why risk it? its only a few dozen MB. it is always a good idea to keep two kernels, just in case. |
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| 14:07.58 | freelancer | night all |
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| 14:08.07 | freelancer | back in a day or two:/ |
| 14:09.03 | loumz | snyfer: use the pipe "|" symbol between find and zip. use the ">" symbol only for the last output file |
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| 14:10.11 | stew | turi: you installed what? a new iptables? |
| 14:10.54 | snyfer | loumz: thx, i have tried that - but now the error is: "adding: -zipsplit error: Invalid command argumente (need to specify zip file)" |
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| 14:11.12 | loumz | snyfer: zipsplit cannot take stdin as input file |
| 14:11.18 | loumz | snyfer: it needs a real zip file |
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| 14:11.51 | snyfer | loumz: but i have the problem that the file i need to split is > than 2gb onto an fat32 file system. |
| 14:12.16 | snyfer | loumz: and it should be readable by winzip afterwards ... ;/ .. do you have any idea how i can manage that? |
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| 14:12.57 | loumz | snyfer: no, I don't. Sorry. If it does not need to be readable by winzip, I'm sure you can use "split" instead. |
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| 14:16.07 | iturk | can someone tell me the zip command example to compress ?? |
| 14:16.18 | jethro | iturk: man zip |
| 14:16.26 | iturk | its confuse |
| 14:16.42 | iturk | zip [-options] [-b path] [-t mmddyyyy] [-n suffixes] [zipfile list] [-xi list] |
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| 14:16.48 | iturk | what is zipfile list |
| 14:16.55 | stew | iturk: zip archivename file1 file2 file3... |
| 14:17.16 | jethro | iturk: man zip has more than one line you know? |
| 14:17.29 | iturk | so where is archivename in the syntax ?? |
| 14:17.36 | stew | zipfile |
| 14:17.42 | jethro | oh my. |
| 14:17.44 | iturk | and what is list |
| 14:17.50 | stew | a list of files |
| 14:17.54 | stew | file1 file2 file3... |
| 14:17.56 | iturk | ok |
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| 14:18.34 | iturk | thanks |
| 14:19.23 | iturk | jethro: and in order to add the content of directories ?? |
| 14:20.12 | stew | iturk: -r |
| 14:20.50 | jethro | !handhold iturk |
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| 14:23.26 | iturk | thanks for all |
| 14:23.36 | iturk | submission done |
| 14:26.11 | _ericb | I'm currently trying to install apache + php and it looks like the php module isn't really loading, when I try to load a php file in the browser the webserver don't run it and display it as is |
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| 14:31.04 | Meaw | i'd install pppoe server , and im trying to login from winxp to the test user/pass it says while identifying the password ppp link protocol was terminated |
| 14:31.29 | Knight_Lord | Is there any encoding method from mencoder that works with quicktime? |
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| 14:32.40 | blondie | #mplayer |
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| 14:33.25 | _ericb | hmm correcting the problem.. apache2 and php seems to work but not in user's /public_html directory.. but everywhere else they seems to work.. |
| 14:33.37 | _ericb | any queue on how to solve the issue ? |
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| 14:37.53 | Meaw | i'd install pppoe server , and im trying to login from winxp to the test user/pass it says while identifying the password ppp link protocol was terminated |
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| 14:38.54 | typewriter | where do i edit my network information for startup? |
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| 14:39.14 | Meaw | typewriter /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:39.49 | roanbrasil | I wanna recompiled .deb source just I wanna to change de parameters... how can I do? |
| 14:39.52 | mne | I'm on unstable and had a strange error with the subversion client. I upgraded to the newest version (which is actually help back) and now it works. should I file a bug report (since the newest version in held back on unstable) ? |
| 14:40.44 | nkuttler | roanbrasil: /msg dpkg rebuild from debian source |
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| 14:41.01 | typewriter | if i have multiple static IPs, do i just keep doing address 1.1.1.1 address 1.1.1.2 ? |
| 14:41.15 | typewriter | or do i need to write out the entire netmsk and network |
| 14:41.16 | nkuttler | typewriter: man interfaces |
| 14:41.18 | typewriter | for each ip |
| 14:41.57 | typewriter | the man mentions nothing about multiple static ips |
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| 14:42.55 | roanbrasil | nkuttler, How can I change the parameters? |
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| 14:43.06 | nkuttler | typewriter: the man answers your question |
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| 14:43.15 | roanbrasil | nkuttler, How can I change the parameters? Do U know? |
| 14:43.24 | nkuttler | roanbrasil: edit the debian/rules file i guess |
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| 14:44.42 | roanbrasil | nkuttler, thank you.. I will see.... |
| 14:44.48 | plutonas | How do I configure printing? It says it can't find CUPS server. |
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| 14:45.09 | JordiGH | So this one article in Free Software Magazine (http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com) says that Knoppix installed to the hard drive works just like a Debian system. Real or malarkey? |
| 14:45.43 | stew | JordiGH: depending on what value of "works" you are going for |
| 14:45.50 | nkuttler | JordiGH: it works like a real knoppix system i'd say |
| 14:46.24 | JordiGH | stew: I think that Knoppix uses quite a few non-Debian sources. |
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| 14:46.59 | stew | JordiGH: right. so you won't have a pure debian system, but you would operate it in a similar fashion, i guess, like the procedures for doing stuff like installing packages and upgraading, etc. are the same |
| 14:47.11 | turi | stew i have no idea where to go :( |
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| 14:48.02 | sambrista | hi! Is it ok if i plug my pcmcia device in my computer when it is on? |
| 14:48.14 | JordiGH | Still... I'm considering using these twenty-odd Knoppix cds I burnt for setting up a network in one of the computer labs... I was thinking about getting instead Debian DVDs, but if I already have the resources... |
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| 14:48.37 | stew | turi: what have you tried? did you try a newer iptables? |
| 14:48.41 | josep | sambrista - why not? |
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| 14:49.19 | sambrista | josep: you know, maybe it is not good for the device. Well, thanks |
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| 14:50.27 | JordiGH | So I have what's probably a silly question... I understand how in a network setup, you have a computer where /home physically is, and all of the other computers mount /home remotely with nfs... One thing I don't understand is how users are set up. Suppose I want to have a dumb terminal with no users set up on it; all the users will be configured in some server elsewhere. |
| 14:50.51 | stew | JordiGH: sounds like you want nis maybe |
| 14:51.16 | JordiGH | stew: Ah, nis? |
| 14:51.20 | SlayerXP | NIS is evil |
| 14:51.27 | JordiGH | But of course it is... |
| 14:51.41 | stew | it is considered evil by many |
| 14:51.45 | JordiGH | Every opinion has an opposite and equal counteropinion. |
| 14:51.48 | JordiGH | !nis |
| 14:51.48 | dpkg | i guess nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 14:51.49 | stew | JordiGH: another options is kerberos |
| 14:52.02 | JordiGH | !nfs |
| 14:52.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 14:52.19 | stew | JordiGH: /msg dpkg kerberos |
| 14:52.32 | JordiGH | Kerberos is the MIT one. |
| 14:52.55 | JordiGH | I first saw it used at the University of Michigan on Windows computers, back in 1998. :) |
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| 15:02.45 | typewriter | hmm, i added almost identical entries fir eth0:0 and eth0:1 but when i ifup eth0:0 its fine, no output, when i ifup eth0:1 says failed to bring up eth0:1 |
| 15:04.50 | myboxen | anyone else use anjuta on etch? |
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| 15:08.05 | Zap-W | hello hello hello |
| 15:08.11 | Zap-W | it's time for xuxa show. |
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| 15:08.19 | feistel | hi |
| 15:08.25 | stew | typewriter: put your interfaces file into a pastebin |
| 15:08.29 | feistel | how I can disable update for a specific package? |
| 15:08.36 | stew | feistel: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 15:12.30 | fbn | rsync kills me, I'm using 'rsync -avz -e ssh backup@asterix.ifusion.de:/tmp/source target' and it transfers the whole filesystem (/) instead of /tmp/source ... what am I missing here? |
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| 15:13.18 | ananke | fbn : the syntax looks fine. it shouldn't leave /tmp/source |
| 15:13.47 | ananke | i was wondering, the documentation on providing preseed/url is a bit scarce. what protocols are supported, besides http? |
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| 15:13.55 | sly007 | Hello, I'm using USB HID mouse and keyboard. When I cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse, I get caracters, which is normal. Is there a similar file I can cat to test if the keyboard is responding? |
| 15:15.32 | fbn | s |
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| 15:16.24 | fbn | ananke: it says receiving file list ... file has vanished: "/proc/2/exe" following more exe files in proc |
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| 15:20.54 | TodoDoc | hat jemand vmware und debian schon zu laufen bekommen ???? |
| 15:21.30 | thingfish | !de |
| 15:21.31 | dpkg | hmm... de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:21.43 | Zap-W | hhh |
| 15:21.44 | turi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.55 | turi | this backsource thing you told me to install |
| 15:22.02 | TodoDoc | ips |
| 15:22.05 | TodoDoc | ups |
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| 15:22.26 | stew | turi: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 15:23.58 | meinert | Hello, I updated udev on Etch from 0.089-1 to 0.091-2. Since that udevs says: "invalide rule" when trying to load my grafic tablet. So udev did not create a symbolic link. In the configfile onli is written: KERNEL="event*", SYSFS{idVendor}="056a", NAME="input/%k", SYMLINK="input/wacom" |
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| 15:24.34 | ananke | fbn : what's the exact rsync syntax you're using? |
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| 15:24.59 | fbn | ananke: I found my mistake, I had command= in my authorized_keys at the target server |
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| 15:25.25 | fbn | ananke: any idea how to use command in authorized_keys but not to hard define the directory? |
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| 15:26.15 | ananke | fbn : nope, haven't used that yet |
| 15:26.25 | fbn | ananke: ok, thanks anyway :) |
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| 15:27.37 | Arker | does the vmlinuz used for the sarge install cd only support ext2? |
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| 15:28.24 | Gnea | Arker: no, it supports ext3 and reiserfs |
| 15:28.33 | Gnea | Arker: well, ext3 at least |
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| 15:28.56 | Arker | hmmm wierd ok I'm at a loss then, this is kind of a jury-rigging situation but I still thought it would work |
| 15:29.07 | Arker | the bios doesn't recognise the hard disk |
| 15:29.14 | Gnea | how old is it? |
| 15:29.18 | Arker | but linux sees it and sets it up, installs jsut fine |
| 15:29.26 | Arker | brand new hard disk, 5 year old motherboard |
| 15:29.31 | Gnea | that's what i thought |
| 15:29.34 | Gnea | what mobo is it? |
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| 15:30.16 | Arker | trouble is when it goes to reboot from the hard disk, of course bios can't load a bootloader there, trying to bootstrap it with linux root=/dev/hda7 from the cd and it's not working... ummm one second I'll check |
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| 15:31.48 | blaylock | whats the difference between a K and an S entry in init.d ? |
| 15:31.59 | Gnea | Start, Kill |
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| 15:32.43 | Arker | DR737 is the designation, from google looks like the manufacturer is BCM |
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| 15:33.14 | Arker | I tried with reiser and ext3, I noticed last time before the kernel panic about mounting it as ext2 though |
| 15:33.15 | Gnea | the motherboard is pure crap |
| 15:33.23 | Arker | yeah, I know |
| 15:33.29 | Gnea | well ext3 is just ext2 with journaling on top |
| 15:33.36 | Gnea | so it's backward compatible |
| 15:33.36 | blaylock | hmm, so if you dont have an S for that service then it wont start at boot? |
| 15:33.41 | Arker | it was free |
| 15:33.50 | Gnea | heh |
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| 15:34.33 | Arker | ok, so am I completely off in thinking that I should be able to bootstrap it from the cd though? pretty sure I remember that working last time I needed to do it |
| 15:34.40 | Arker | about 5 years ago ;) |
| 15:34.42 | Gnea | blaylock: read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 15:35.14 | Gnea | Arker: should be able too, might want to boot it up once on its own to see how the cd sees the hard drive |
| 15:35.39 | Gnea | Arker: my suggestion is to throw an older hd in there and bootstrap off off the lilo or grub on that |
| 15:35.40 | Rothgar` | Why can't I use my cdrom in VMware |
| 15:35.58 | Gnea | Arker: of course, that means putting / on the older hd |
| 15:36.00 | Arker | well I've gone through the full install 3 times now, different ways, once it boots off the cd it sees the hard drive, right size, has no problem partitioning it, installing all the packages |
| 15:36.06 | Gnea | Rothgar`: #vmware |
| 15:36.11 | Rothgar` | It was working with the burner I had in it, however I wasn't sure if the drive was faulty so I put in a DVD-ROM and now it isn't picking up a cdrom |
| 15:36.22 | Rothgar` | How can I view my CD content in Debian? |
| 15:36.22 | stew | Arker: if you are using grub try lilo or vice-versa |
| 15:36.24 | Arker | yeah I was trying that yesterday but the older hard drive seems to have gone bad :( |
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| 15:36.42 | stew | Rothgar`: mount /dev/cdrom /mnt ; ls /mnt |
| 15:36.44 | Gnea | Arker: right, i had the same problem with a newer drive on an ASUS p5a, the only way to solve it is to get a new mobo |
| 15:36.49 | Arker | I installed grub, but the thing is, installing it to the hard drive does no good, the bios can't see the hard drive to load it |
| 15:36.52 | Gnea | Arker: or boot from the older drive |
| 15:37.18 | Gnea | Arker: fiddle with the cd then, did you install 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 15:37.31 | Arker | actually shouldn't have to put / on the old drive should I? can't I just install grub to the MBR on an old hard drive? |
| 15:37.31 | _uzikia_ | is there a BIOS update avail? |
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| 15:37.41 | Gnea | _uzikia_: the mobo is crap. |
| 15:38.13 | Gnea | Arker: no, because only linux can see the other drive to snag the kernel from... so actually, you COULD put /boot on the old hd.... |
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| 15:38.33 | Gnea | Arker: if grub can see both hds, then MAYBE.... |
| 15:38.46 | Gnea | but that's making a bios call IIRC |
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| 15:40.18 | jair | hello guys. |
| 15:40.36 | Arker | gnea: 2.6, can try 2.4 if that might make a difference? |
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| 15:41.51 | Gnea | Arker: i just had a thought - kanotix uses grub to boot from the cd (debian uses syslinux) - snag an iso of that, burn it, boot it, see if grub finds the other hd |
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| 15:42.17 | Rothgar` | stew: What am I doing wrong? mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /media/cdrom1 |
| 15:42.20 | typewriter | http://pastebot.nd.edu/384 |
| 15:42.27 | Rothgar` | mount: mount point /media/cdrom1 does not exist |
| 15:42.34 | typewriter | anyone know why i keep getting Failed to bring up eth0:1. |
| 15:42.34 | Arker | I'm just now going through and converting all the partitions to ext2 so I'm gonna finish that and see what happens |
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| 15:43.05 | dbe | Arker use EXT3 |
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| 15:43.11 | typewriter | Rothgar`: everything |
| 15:43.25 | Arker | I tried ext3 last time, reiser before that |
| 15:43.25 | sussudio | Rothgar`: you're not the brightest bulb, are you? |
| 15:43.34 | Arker | well /boot was ext2 all along |
| 15:43.40 | angler | How is a driver loading when it has been removed from /etc/modules and update-modules has been run? |
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| 15:44.16 | Rothgar` | typewriter: I didn't know I had to make a directory to mount to :| |
| 15:44.18 | Arker | does it make any difference if / is a primary or logical partition? |
| 15:44.50 | Rothgar` | I found my problem though anyway /dev/cdrom is linking to /dev/hdb when the DVD is hda |
| 15:44.55 | dbe | no Arker, but I suggest that the boot partition is primary |
| 15:44.56 | Rothgar` | I'll fix up my fstab |
| 15:45.26 | Arker | I've been setting /boot is primary, hda1, everything else as logical partitions, hda5-7 |
| 15:45.55 | Arker | and /hda1 is flagged bootable, nothing else is |
| 15:46.03 | Gnea | Arker: i'm telling you, changing the filesystem isn't going to change the way the bios sees the disk - it simply CAN'T! only the linux kernel can *SEE* it. |
| 15:46.25 | Arker | it's been a couple years since I needed to do a fresh install so I'm not always sure |
| 15:46.30 | stew | Arker: converting ext3 to ext2 isn't going to fix anything, you can mount an ext3 partition as ext2 anyway. linux deosn't care about the bootable flag |
| 15:46.32 | Gnea | Arker: and grub might be able to see it the way that linux sees it |
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| 15:46.38 | Gnea | but, ah well |
| 15:46.39 | Arker | gnea: I know, the bios can't see it, but vmlinuz off the cd can see it |
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| 15:46.51 | Gnea | Arker: that's because it's linux :P |
| 15:47.20 | Arker | gneah - nearly done, getting a cd with grub on it is next on my list |
| 15:47.37 | Gnea | good luck, i need sleep |
| 15:47.44 | Arker | hey thanks man |
| 15:47.49 | Gnea | np |
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| 15:47.56 | Arker | what time zone you in? |
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| 15:48.40 | zleap | cah someone tell me what this means pleaseChecking `sniffer'... lo: not promisc and no packet sniffer sockets |
| 15:48.40 | zleap | eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[1667]) |
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| 15:50.04 | copland | Anyone had issues with 440GX+ with onboard Adaptec 7692 raid with it formating and paritioning drives |
| 15:50.15 | stew | zleap: it means your dhcp client is listening to raw packets on your interface, not only packets destined to your ip address (which is necessary for the functioning of dhcp since the point of dhcp is assigning you an ip when you don't have one) |
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| 15:50.31 | zleap | ok is that good / bad |
| 15:50.47 | stew | zleap: dhcp is good |
| 15:50.53 | zleap | ok |
| 15:51.28 | typewriter | http://pastebot.nd.edu/384 |
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| 15:51.32 | Rothgar` | Hmm this DVD-Rom seems to be running better than the CD-burner so far |
| 15:51.32 | zleap | i need to run apt-get update, it's going to take about 3hrs, is it adviseable to do this from a console window |
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| 15:51.33 | typewriter | anyone know why i get that error? |
| 15:51.39 | Rothgar` | I think the cd-burner is toast |
| 15:52.28 | zleap | sorry I meant to say apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:53.00 | zumbi | !hi |
| 15:53.00 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 15:53.04 | stew | typewriter: you cannot assign a broadcast or a network address in a different subnet |
| 15:53.27 | stew | typewriter: you shouldn't specifying network or broadcast unless you know what you are doing and are trying to do something non-standard |
| 15:53.38 | typewriter | ok |
| 15:53.45 | stew | typewriter: which interface are those up lines supposed to be associated with? |
| 15:54.20 | typewriter | i removed them, it will still give me the same error |
| 15:54.25 | typewriter | but the thing is, it works |
| 15:54.27 | zumbi | i don't know why, but i can't get resolution i want with xorg, i have already check /etc/xorg.conf do you know why i can't get resolution i'm asking for ? |
| 15:54.29 | typewriter | despite the error |
| 15:54.40 | tralala | zleap: you might use screen if you are connected remotely and if you fear from being disconnected during the upgrade |
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| 15:55.05 | zleap | it should be ok then |
| 15:55.15 | zleap | I don't generally have connection problems |
| 15:55.17 | stew | typewriter: put those up lines that are manipulating the routing table with eth0 where they belong |
| 15:55.26 | typewriter | ok |
| 15:55.28 | Rothgar` | your network and address don't make sense |
| 15:55.40 | zleap | whos |
| 15:55.48 | typewriter | i think he means mine |
| 15:55.51 | stew | typewriter: yeah, wait a second |
| 15:55.53 | typewriter | they are on different subnets |
| 15:55.54 | zleap | ah |
| 15:56.00 | tralala | zleap: with screen you won't lose your session even if you are disconnected |
| 15:56.00 | zleap | thats ok then |
| 15:56.02 | stew | 117.10.268.211 <- 268?!? |
| 15:56.09 | typewriter | they are fake... |
| 15:56.10 | typewriter | :P |
| 15:56.15 | typewriter | if you see an inconsistency |
| 15:56.16 | stew | that is invalid |
| 15:56.19 | typewriter | i just forgot to retype it |
| 15:56.25 | Rothgar` | typewriter: type 255 instead of 155? |
| 15:56.30 | jethro | typewriter: your netmasks for the aliased IPs should be /32 |
| 15:56.45 | zleap | ouch it's just jumped to 4 hours |
| 15:56.59 | stew | jethro: how do you know what his netmasks for the aliases IPs should be? |
| 15:57.06 | angler | How is a driver loading when it has been removed from /etc/modules and update-modules has been run? |
| 15:57.07 | zleap | i am going to log off xchat, chat later, thansk for the advise |
| 15:57.10 | zleap | advice |
| 15:57.12 | jethro | stew: have you ever used aliases? |
| 15:57.16 | stew | jethro: yes |
| 15:57.23 | typewriter | stew: yea haha like i said, i was in a hurry to make up some fake IPs, wasn't double checking |
| 15:57.48 | jethro | stew: have you ever tried aliasing 2 ips in the same subnet without /32 for the alias? |
| 15:57.54 | stew | jethro: yes |
| 15:57.57 | jethro | ah. |
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| 15:58.15 | Rothgar` | VMware works, awesome |
| 15:58.24 | stew | jethro: in fact it is impossible to alias two different ips in the same subnet with /32 |
| 15:58.28 | stew | jethro: by definition |
| 15:58.37 | jethro | hu? care to explain why? |
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| 15:58.44 | angler | how can I load a module before another? |
| 15:59.01 | typewriter | stew, errors went away |
| 15:59.04 | stew | jethro: becuase /32 defines a subnet of 1 ip, and so two different ips with a subnet of /32 are different subnets |
| 15:59.12 | typewriter | i appreciate it |
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| 16:01.17 | limpio | what package do i have to install to have a boot manu with LILO? |
| 16:01.42 | Phated | You edit /etc/lilo.conf. |
| 16:01.45 | jethro | stew: I have experimented differently. |
| 16:01.51 | stew | jethro: huh? |
| 16:02.06 | jethro | stew: and your explaination is confusing, if you don't mind me saying that. |
| 16:02.20 | stew | jethro: which part did you find confusing? |
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| 16:02.25 | jethro | "If the address is on the same subnet as the first network address for this interface, a non-conflicting netmask must be given. Usually 0xffffffff is most appropriate." |
| 16:02.47 | limpio | Phated, thx |
| 16:03.13 | jethro | stew: the bits about aliases being in different subnets. I can probably blame my lame english. |
| 16:03.18 | myren | what do i need to download to be able to make kernel modules |
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| 16:03.57 | tralala | jethro: /32 means that every IP is a different subnet of its own |
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| 16:04.32 | Arker | ok 5 hours to download kanotix, thanks all that tried to help, I'll be back |
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| 16:04.55 | Gery | sri csend van mindenhol mondjon valaki magyar servert! |
| 16:05.10 | tralala | !hu |
| 16:05.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 16:05.20 | jethro | tralala: the point is that we're talking about IP aliasing, not subnetting. I have never used /32 as netmask on a nic, but if I was dealing with aliases in the same subnet as the primary IP for the nic. |
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| 16:06.14 | Rothgar` | Why can't you alias with a /24? |
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| 16:06.20 | tralala | jethro: yeah, I saw that, but the netmask is always subnetting... |
| 16:06.20 | stew | Rothgar`: you can |
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| 16:06.47 | stew | jethro: and in this case, he wasn't using an ip address in the same subnet as the primary IP for the ni |
| 16:06.50 | stew | nic |
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| 16:07.06 | jethro | stew: the two aliases were in the same subnet though. so one of them would require /32 imho. |
| 16:07.25 | stew | jethro: there is no such requirement |
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| 16:08.00 | stew | jethro: i mean there isn't such a requirement in the linux ip stack, i don't want to speak for your humble opinion |
| 16:08.14 | GoAuLd | estoy caliente |
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| 16:09.09 | tralala | I find the /32 netmask confusing though. PPP uses /32 and if it is a subnet of only 1 IP how do you reach the other one?! |
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| 16:09.19 | vhuren | how do I cron a job every monday of the month? |
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| 16:09.34 | vhuren | what would the crontab entry be like? |
| 16:10.01 | Rothgar` | tralala: ISP routing? |
| 16:10.02 | tralala | vhuren: just the same as it would be every monday of every month |
| 16:10.11 | stew | tralala: with a host route |
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| 16:11.02 | RichiH | vhuren: man cron man 1 crontab man 5 crontab |
| 16:11.11 | stew | tralala: for instance you can define your nic to have 10.0.0.1/32 and then: route add -host 10.0.0.2 eth0 ; which says if you want to talk to 10.0.0.2 send the packet out on eth0 |
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| 16:11.54 | tralala | oh, I see. Thanks, stew |
| 16:12.00 | jethro | stew: do you have to add routes if you don't use /32 as a netmask? |
| 16:12.08 | jethro | stew: I'm still talking about the aliasing stuff :) |
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| 16:13.16 | Rothgar` | May 12 16:11:45 localhost kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 16:13.24 | jethro | stew: anyway, this is not really on topic, I'll play with my laptop and see by myself. at the very least, using /32 doesn't cause problems :p |
| 16:13.38 | Rothgar` | Is this a result of some VMware modifications? |
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| 16:14.14 | Rothgar` | May 12 16:11:45 localhost kernel: eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0000, PHY status 786d, resetting... |
| 16:14.14 | Rothgar` | May 12 16:11:45 localhost kernel: eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1. |
| 16:14.29 | Hitnrun | hello guys, I need to do a weird thing with debian, let me see if you guys know something, I tried all that I could, but nothing... |
| 16:15.14 | Hitnrun | I have a debian server behing a MS ISA server, this can't change, but this server have a bug that thinks .gz files are compressed html, and returns an error everytime I try to download one |
| 16:15.52 | Hitnrun | I am trying to use apt-get, but it always fetches a Packages.gz file, and the isa server can't download it |
| 16:15.56 | Rothgar` | When you download external files? |
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| 16:16.37 | stew | Hitnrun: switch from ftp: to http: or vice versa |
| 16:16.40 | Hitnrun | is there any way I can bypass the download of Packates.gz, transferring it by another method, but make apt-get use this file instead of trying to download it? |
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| 16:17.17 | Rothgar` | Doesn't apache have a similar option in its config files? |
| 16:17.20 | Hitnrun | stew: it's not the default debian apt source, it's dotdeb.org, they have ftp too? |
| 16:18.08 | Hitnrun | hmm there's an ftp in sweden, let me try it... |
| 16:18.34 | Hitnrun | ah it's not ftp, it's http://ftp.xxx ... |
| 16:18.36 | dbe | tjennare Hitnrun |
| 16:19.25 | Hitnrun | dbe: eh? :P |
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| 16:20.03 | ranpha | what is the command to mount a disk with a user. like i want to mount a disk and use it a a normal user |
| 16:20.11 | Hitnrun | I have the Packages.gz on the machine, is there a way I tell apt to use this file instead of transferring by the dotdeb site? |
| 16:20.18 | goki- | Hi, what should I apt-get install to get the stuff from "Desktop system" in the installer? |
| 16:20.33 | stew | Hitnrun: can you not get the ISA server admin to fix the ISA server? |
| 16:21.15 | Hitnrun | stew: I spoke with him, but he did not found a official fix for this on his ISA version (2004) |
| 16:21.41 | Hitnrun | he found some unofficial (vb script) files, but the company policy only allows to install official updates... |
| 16:21.43 | cheal | goki-: did you try running tasksel? |
| 16:22.00 | stew | Hitnrun: i know someone that fixed this for me, i'll ask if he remembers what the fix was |
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| 16:22.29 | Hitnrun | (and he doesn't look like someone who would knew how to install unofficial patches :P ) |
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| 16:22.47 | Hitnrun | stew: ah thanks, I would be glad if you could! |
| 16:22.47 | stew | Hitnrun: but the problem is with ISA server passing http traffic when apache sets a Content-Encoding: x-gzip header |
| 16:22.53 | daqqal | wut up guys |
| 16:23.16 | tralala | !wut |
| 16:23.17 | dpkg | from memory, wut is a lamer way of saying what |
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| 16:23.27 | daqqal | anyone having problms with growisofs, i'm using 6.1, and it says media unsupportted or not formatted |
| 16:23.31 | Hitnrun | stew: yes, this is exactly the problem, que server sends a x-gzip header and ms isa thinks it's an gzip compressed page... sigh |
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| 16:23.43 | Hitnrun | I love ms |
| 16:23.48 | stew | Hitnrun: something like disabling traffic decompression. make ISA server not try to decompress the stream itself |
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| 16:26.07 | Hitnrun | stew: hmm I told him that, he didn't found such an option, he only found options to compress the traffic from the isa to the clients, not from the internet to the isa server... |
| 16:26.15 | Hitnrun | do you know what option is this? |
| 16:26.22 | stew | i dont' sorry |
| 16:26.37 | stew | Hitnrun: if you need the workaround, you might be able to ungzip the file into /var/lib/apt/lists ; the file better have the right name, of course |
| 16:26.52 | stew | and i don't know if it would actually work |
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| 16:28.38 | stew | Hitnrun: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/isa/2004/plan/sp2.mspx#ConfiguringHTTPCompression you need to uncheck the box in item 6 (content inspection) |
| 16:28.45 | Hitnrun | stew: yes that's the path I was trying to follow, I can put the file there, but it isn't automatically parset into the apt-db |
| 16:29.29 | Hitnrun | apt-get update should be doing something after he fetches de gz file... wonder if it's a command I can use or it is internal |
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| 16:29.51 | guilherme-jorge | anybody knows any FTP cluster? |
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| 16:30.34 | stew | guilherme-jorge: what do you mean exactly? multiple ftpds for load-balancing/failover? |
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| 16:35.18 | nse | hello. which is the way to change the mouse pointers of gnome? |
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| 16:35.57 | stew | nse: there is "update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme" but it's not gnome specific |
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| 16:36.35 | nse | stew: all right |
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| 16:37.49 | WeirdAl | Does anyone know of a good guide for creating Debian packages? I've offered to create & maintain a SeaMonkey 1.0.x package, but I don't know where the most accurate, up-to-date guide is (and the FAQ, surprisingly enough, didn't mention it) |
| 16:38.24 | nse | stew: it didn't change. do i have to restart x? |
| 16:38.32 | stew | yes |
| 16:38.56 | ranpha | how can i change the user with mount???? |
| 16:39.59 | netcrash | Hello, The testing version has the latest packages correct but it is not completely stable but it's no unstable , right ? |
| 16:40.04 | sepski | ranpha, depends on the fs beeing mounted |
| 16:40.37 | sepski | ranpha, anyways it would be in man mount |
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| 16:42.36 | ranpha | ext sepski....i need to mount it manual wit kernel 2.6.14 |
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| 16:43.07 | Hitnrun | stew: WOW I can't believe... it's working!! |
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| 16:43.36 | Hitnrun | I just but the Packages file with the right naming on the apt folder, did a "apt-get --no-download update" |
| 16:43.47 | cheal | netcrash: no, testing doesn't always have the latest version. testing isn't unstable |
| 16:43.49 | Hitnrun | it gave me some errors, but processed the file anyway |
| 16:43.52 | Hitnrun | and it's working! |
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| 16:44.51 | TheJumbo | hi, every time I log into kdm on my amd64 machine it restarts itself (instead of running the window manager).... what may be causing this? |
| 16:45.03 | TheJumbo | startx runs great |
| 16:45.10 | cheal | TheJumbo: which release do you run? |
| 16:45.29 | TheJumbo | cheal: unstable, amd64 |
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| 16:45.54 | TheJumbo | cheal: I've had grave problems swithing to xorg 7 but hopefully that is ok now, even glx runs |
| 16:46.02 | cheal | TheJumbo: did you look at /topic ? |
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| 16:46.39 | TheJumbo | cheal: I guess I didn't |
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| 16:46.49 | TheJumbo | ...so let me see |
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| 16:47.14 | nse | netcrash: the testing version has more tested packages than unstable. testing packages are unstable packages that passed through some tests |
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| 16:47.54 | netcrash | nse: cheal thank you |
| 16:48.24 | WeirdAl | hm, ten minutes without even a "RTFM" :) I must've asked something really obscure, or it must be so obvious that Google is the right answer :) |
| 16:48.38 | cheal | netcrash: they didn't necessarily pass more tests than they did before getting in unstable. they may have been tested by some users |
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| 16:49.17 | nse | netcrash: people love to write things about this debian criteria of packages. you can always google for it, or debian.org |
| 16:49.23 | WeirdAl | Is there a channel Debian package maintainers usually hang out besides this one? |
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| 16:50.56 | stew | WeirdAl: /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:51.09 | stew | WeirdAl: for help with packaging you want #debian-mentors ; but read the mg first |
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| 16:51.31 | ranpha | ext sepski....i need to mount it manual wit kernel 2.6.14 |
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| 16:51.42 | WeirdAl | stew: thanks - too bad I'm on Windows at the moment :) |
| 16:51.53 | stew | !mg |
| 16:51.53 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
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| 16:52.18 | sepski | ranpha, mount /device /mountpoint what the problem |
| 16:52.43 | stew | WeirdAl: google for the "new maintainers guide" it is probably linked to from nm.debian.org |
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| 16:53.02 | ranpha | sapski then everthing is root i need to change it to my normal user name |
| 16:54.31 | TheJumbo | cheal: ok, got it, thx :-) |
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| 16:54.50 | nse | ranpha: you can use the /etc/fstab file to add some devices that can be automounted during boot, mounted by normal users, and other stuff. man fstab |
| 16:55.34 | stew | WeirdAl: those are to become a debian developer, not a maintainer |
| 16:55.58 | stew | WeirdAl: to become a maintainer you just need to prepare a package well and find a debian developer to sponsor it and upload it |
| 16:56.08 | WeirdAl | ah |
| 16:56.28 | stew | !mg is also the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 16:56.28 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 16:59.28 | stew | WeirdAl: are you Alex Vincent? |
| 16:59.38 | WeirdAl | yes |
| 16:59.47 | stew | ahh, good, you own the ITP |
| 16:59.51 | WeirdAl | ITP? |
| 16:59.55 | stew | !itp |
| 16:59.55 | dpkg | i heard itp is Intent To Package |
| 16:59.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:59.59 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:00.00 | stew | !dbugs 350740 |
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| 17:00.00 | WeirdAl | hehe |
| 17:00.03 | dpkg | #350740:W[wnpp] ITP: seamonkey -- internet application suite; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:03:12 UTC |
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| 17:00.44 | WeirdAl | stew: yeah, I intend to do it, but I will probably need my hand held as we get there. I can't start until SM 1.0.2 is released, though. |
| 17:01.15 | tarzeau | and i hoped mozilla finally died |
| 17:01.22 | stew | WeirdAl: hand holding for packaging is available here on #debian-mentors and on http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
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| 17:02.31 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: i can bring you a large trout personally |
| 17:02.31 | WeirdAl | hehe |
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| 17:02.33 | tarzeau | but i'd prefer it on a grill really |
| 17:03.01 | WeirdAl | Mozilla App Suite is dead, yes - SeaMonkey is a community product |
| 17:03.02 | NikosGr | hildi_, is there emacs easy to use? |
| 17:03.11 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: and? |
| 17:03.12 | sid | !seamonkey |
| 17:03.13 | dpkg | seamonkey is, like, the new project name for the Mozilla Application Suite, but it's not officially from Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla Application Suite is over, the new name is seamonkey, if you are using Mozilla Application Suite then you are using very old outdated code, check http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ : The reason Mozilla Foundation is not developing on the Mozilla Application Suite anymore is to focus on Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 17:03.22 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: doesn't make it less broken |
| 17:03.33 | WeirdAl | broken? How? :) |
| 17:04.01 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: many many ways |
| 17:04.09 | sid | It's been 9 months since mozilla has been dead...and the mozilla maintainer hasn't setup seamonkey yet |
| 17:04.19 | WeirdAl | sid: I intend to start from scratch |
| 17:04.30 | tarzeau | sid: dead? they still make security updates :( |
| 17:04.34 | sid | Maintainer: Takuo KITAME <kitame@debian.org> |
| 17:04.46 | WeirdAl | no, 1.7.13 is the LAST security update that will ever be done on it |
| 17:04.48 | tarzeau | sid: oh you mean the debian package maintainer |
| 17:04.54 | sid | I emailed him 2 months ago and haven't got a response yet. |
| 17:05.00 | sid | I don't this his email is active. |
| 17:05.02 | stew | there was a security update yesterday |
| 17:05.15 | tarzeau | sid: it's active |
| 17:05.18 | sid | right, but the project is dead besides security updates |
| 17:05.21 | tarzeau | sid: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/?takuo |
| 17:05.22 | sid | seamonkey has a lot of new code |
| 17:05.30 | tarzeau | sid: last upload 8 days ago (more or less) |
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| 17:05.46 | WeirdAl | tarzeau: Moz App Suite has officially been end-of-lifed |
| 17:06.06 | tarzeau | sid: but to be dead, really dead, it must not move anymore, not even make security updates |
| 17:06.14 | WeirdAl | that's what I just said :) |
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| 17:06.16 | stew | WeirdAl: he's saying the debian maintainer is still maintaining it |
| 17:06.17 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: seamonkey is just the same thing |
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| 17:06.22 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: with a different name |
| 17:06.48 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: it's the same source |
| 17:06.54 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: it doesn't matter who works on it |
| 17:06.55 | WeirdAl | SeaMonkey represents a generation of improvement over MozAppSuite. |
| 17:07.10 | WeirdAl | okay, let me change tacks |
| 17:07.12 | zenwryly | Is there a way to find which source apt will get a deb from? |
| 17:07.22 | stew | zenwryly: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 17:07.33 | zenwryly | stew: excellent, thanks |
| 17:07.36 | tarzeau | stew: it's weekend |
| 17:07.37 | WeirdAl | Who's maintaining Moz App Suite for Debian? I think it best if I at least talk to the guy/girl/bastard |
| 17:07.43 | sid | Well he hasn't returned my email about seamonkey |
| 17:07.50 | stew | !maint mozilla-browser |
| 17:07.56 | dpkg | mozilla-browser: Takuo KITAME <kitame@debian.org> |
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| 17:09.23 | stew | you dont' need to tell us, we can smell you from here |
| 17:09.28 | cheal | WeirdAl: the bastard? |
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| 17:09.34 | WeirdAl | cheal: I'm joking. |
| 17:10.36 | stew | tarzeau: /bugstats/ should probably be split into pages or something |
| 17:10.53 | stew | err the results split into batches of 100 or something |
| 17:10.59 | tarzeau | stew: why? |
| 17:11.09 | stew | tarzeau: becuase it takes too long to load the page |
| 17:11.24 | tarzeau | stew: that's why you can use /?filters |
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| 17:13.41 | stew | tarzeau: how do i know how to use /?filters? i dont see any links from that page |
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| 17:14.47 | tarzeau | stew: click on a maintainer, then on the maintainers page on bug statistics... ok i might write there how to do that |
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| 17:17.08 | cheal | WeirdAl: ha-ha. if you don't know what's an ITP, are you sure it's OK for you to own one? |
| 17:17.44 | WeirdAl | cheal: as I said, I'm new :) |
| 17:18.26 | cheal | WeirdAl: right, so do you think it's normal that someone as "new" as you owns a seamonkey ITP? |
| 17:18.29 | WeirdAl | new, enthusiastic, young and of course, naive |
| 17:18.39 | WeirdAl | well, I've been doing Mozilla hacking for several years now |
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| 17:20.31 | cheal | WeirdAl: ...considering that Mozilla hacking experience doesn't help much becoming a Debian maintainer |
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| 17:22.31 | WeirdAl | cheal - I'm not going to respond at the moment. One of my coworkers gave me a bad piece of advice, and in my following it, I have just royally horked my corporate filesystem |
| 17:22.52 | stew | cheal: if he wants to try to help the project, why try to discourage him? |
| 17:23.04 | WeirdAl | (so I have no wish to take my frustration out on you :) ) |
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| 17:23.22 | kspath | I wonder when people will start doing research before doing things that have an impact. |
| 17:23.28 | cheal | WeirdAl: ...ok |
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| 17:23.54 | nolive | Hallo |
| 17:24.05 | cheal | stew: I don't want to discourage him, but someone who ITP-s should become the become the initial maintainer, no? |
| 17:24.07 | nolive | Kann ich deutsch sprechen? |
| 17:24.10 | tralala | kspath: hmm... how about never? |
| 17:24.19 | tralala | !de |
| 17:24.20 | dpkg | hmm... de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:24.28 | kspath | tralala: It would seem so. |
| 17:24.30 | cheal | or at least be part of a maintainance team |
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| 17:24.32 | nolive | thanks |
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| 17:25.02 | lanchow | Q: can anyone tell to me what's wrong please ? find ./ * -type d -exec echo {} >> dirs ';' -o -atime +10 -exec echo {} >> files \; |
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| 17:26.17 | NikosGr | ok apt-chache is drivinbg m e nuts |
| 17:26.17 | kspath | lanchow: Someone might help with shell scripting but this is #debian. You are welcome to try #bash or #zsh or ... if/when you are able/willing to do so. |
| 17:26.21 | jengelh | lanchow : everything |
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| 17:26.27 | NikosGr | how this lien can be in the search results? |
| 17:26.28 | NikosGr | zenirc - Major mode for wasting time |
| 17:26.41 | NikosGr | of apt-cache search emacs editor |
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| 17:27.03 | lanchow | okay |
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| 17:27.21 | jengelh | the * is too much, you can't use echo and >> in the -exec parts |
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| 17:27.44 | NikosGr | can someone answer me? |
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| 17:28.14 | tralala | NikosGr: I didn't quite get the question but why don't you try apt-cache search emacs | grep editor? |
| 17:28.21 | ojai | I've got a Sarge machine that I installed 2.6.16.15 on (and previous 2.6 kernels actually) but for some reason, it looks like dpkg is totally screwed on them (not on my 2.4 kernel). When I run any dpkg command, I get "dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument" |
| 17:28.32 | ojai | anyone ever seen that before? |
| 17:29.26 | bwlang | ojai: perhaps that file is corrupt - try backing it up and replacing it with available-old in the same directory (or diff them to see what's up) |
| 17:29.35 | NikosGr | tralala, ok that worrks but why the command i issued didnt? |
| 17:29.58 | ojai | bwlang: that's what I thought too -- but when I boot into my 2.4 kernel, dpkg has no probs |
| 17:29.58 | tralala | NikosGr: does it matter now that you know how to search? |
| 17:30.12 | sid | My friend is stupid...and he delusered "nobody" from his debian system...How can he readd nobody properly? |
| 17:30.19 | NikosGr | yes it does because i want to knwo why it deosnr work |
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| 17:30.29 | NikosGr | and still your command gievs false positives |
| 17:30.35 | NikosGr | like this line: etktab - ASCII guitar tab editor |
| 17:30.46 | NikosGr | where is 'emacs' in this line? |
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| 17:31.22 | stew | NikosGr: apt-cache show ektab | grep -i emacs |
| 17:31.30 | stew | NikosGr: its in the description |
| 17:31.31 | ojai | sid: does the 'nogroup' group still exist? |
| 17:31.40 | sid | ojai: no idea |
| 17:31.55 | sid | ojai: He isn't here..and neither is his machine. |
| 17:32.08 | NikosGr | stew? |
| 17:32.26 | stew | NikosGr: what exactly is your question then? |
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| 17:32.29 | kspath | NikosGr: Please read. Please learn what grep is. |
| 17:32.36 | tralala | NikosGr: apt-cache searches both the name and the description of the package. If you want to search only in the name you can use aptitude search instead |
| 17:32.36 | NikosGr | i knwo what grep is |
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| 17:32.49 | NikosGr | but still with grep this sintr corrects earch results |
| 17:32.50 | NikosGr | zope-externaleditor - Zope External Editor |
| 17:32.57 | NikosGr | fro apt-cache search emacs | grep editor |
| 17:33.09 | ojai | sid: groupadd nogroup ; useradd -g nogroup -u 65534 -d /nonexistent -s /bin/sh nobody |
| 17:33.37 | NikosGr | i mean results should have |
| 17:33.37 | grummund | hello. pls can someone tell me cmd to re-run exim config questions? |
| 17:33.48 | NikosGr | both the words 'emacs' and 'editor' no? |
| 17:33.52 | ojai | if the nogroup group still exists, it's not going to screw anything up by running that groupadd command |
| 17:34.08 | lucas_ | Hello. I've got a problem with sound here. I'm running Debian Etch (testing) and have a AC97 audio on board chip. KDE is my desktop environment. Everytime an application wants to use my sound device, it says something about CPU overload. I think I just need to configure my sound device. I'm quite new to Debian and Linux in general. Help would be much appreciated. |
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| 17:34.20 | stew | NikosGr: yes, and the ektab package description contains both editor and emacs |
| 17:34.37 | NikosGr | but stew ahow would i knwo search it like this? |
| 17:34.44 | kspath | !tell grummund about reconfigure |
| 17:34.49 | NikosGr | i just wanted to downlaod emacs, thats all i knew |
| 17:34.54 | tralala | NikosGr: did you see my response? |
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| 17:34.56 | NikosGr | so i did apt-get install emacs |
| 17:34.58 | NikosGr | and didnt work |
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| 17:35.05 | Le_Vert | hello |
| 17:35.05 | NikosGr | tralala, yes i did |
| 17:35.06 | stew | NikosGr: apt-get install emacs21 |
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| 17:35.12 | Le_Vert | are you experiencing some problems |
| 17:35.15 | suppaman | hello |
| 17:35.15 | Le_Vert | with sid mirrors ? |
| 17:35.18 | lucas_ | The exact error message is: Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting |
| 17:35.19 | NikosGr | yes as i found with synaptic that was the name |
| 17:35.21 | tralala | NikosGr: did you understand what I said? |
| 17:35.22 | grummund | kspath: i tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 but it does nothing |
| 17:35.23 | Le_Vert | (maybe only on sparc arch) |
| 17:35.36 | Le_Vert | Get:1 http://ftp.de.debian.org sid Release.gpg [189B] |
| 17:35.36 | Le_Vert | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-sparc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:35.36 | Le_Vert | W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files |
| 17:35.36 | Le_Vert | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
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| 17:35.39 | stew | NikosGr: so what, then, is the problem? |
| 17:35.40 | NikosGr | but i only knew about emacs so coulnt search ti asmecs21 |
| 17:35.43 | zumbi | hello! do you know about 'dpkg-genstatus', ? |
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| 17:35.55 | zumbi | !dpkg-genstatus |
| 17:36.15 | lucas_ | Does anyone know how I can fix my problem (I really like Debian, this is the only thing that's annoying me)? Thank you in advance! |
| 17:36.25 | Le_Vert | damn |
| 17:36.26 | cheal | stew: seriously, if you think that's worth discussing, what do you think about the ITP? |
| 17:36.29 | kspath | grummund: I do not know which "exim" package name will do configuration. Is there a base package? |
| 17:36.29 | Le_Vert | wtf.... |
| 17:36.33 | NikosGr | get install emacs* |
| 17:36.40 | Le_Vert | I updated 15 min ago |
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| 17:36.43 | NikosGr | why this didn install emanc for me |
| 17:36.45 | Le_Vert | and it doesn't work anymore |
| 17:36.50 | grummund | kspath: it's exim4 |
| 17:36.50 | NikosGr | sicne tha packages name is emacs21 ? |
| 17:37.14 | zumbi | lucas_: i think you need a real kernel |
| 17:37.23 | lucas_ | What do you mean by "a real kernel"? |
| 17:37.52 | zumbi | lucas_: what kernel do you have ? |
| 17:38.10 | stew | cheal: i think he should probably end up with a co-maintainer, and I think that will work itself out by the time he is looking for sponsorship, but it doesn't look like there is a lot of interest in maintaining it anyway, so i dont' see a problem with him putting some effort in, especially if he is familiar with upstream |
| 17:38.12 | kspath | exim4-base - support files for all exim MTA (v4) packages |
| 17:38.12 | kspath | exim4-config - configuration for the exim MTA (v4) |
| 17:38.15 | lucas_ | alsa-base is not installed, is that relevant? |
| 17:38.21 | kspath | grummund: ^^ |
| 17:38.23 | NikosGr | i just dotn understand how apt-get parameter works |
| 17:38.30 | NikosGr | apt-get install emacs* |
| 17:38.31 | kspath | grummund: apt-cache search exim |
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| 17:38.34 | NikosGr | that should ahev worked |
| 17:38.40 | NikosGr | but it didnt |
| 17:38.40 | cheal | stew: ok |
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| 17:39.01 | kspath | NikosGr: That should have worked in your opinion? |
| 17:39.03 | zumbi | lucas_: yes |
| 17:39.09 | NikosGr | kspath, yes |
| 17:39.13 | lucas_ | So I should install it? |
| 17:39.24 | NikosGr | it should have installed all packages |
| 17:39.25 | zumbi | lucas_: yes |
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| 17:39.38 | NikosGr | started with word 'emacs' hence the needed one |
| 17:39.48 | kspath | NikosGr: All packages ? |
| 17:39.48 | lucas_ | One more question before I start: Do I have to quit KDE and shutdown my xorg for this to work? |
| 17:39.50 | zumbi | lucas_: but you could also be running OSS, so you wouldn't need it |
| 17:40.00 | NikosGr | all packages started with word 'emacs' |
| 17:40.02 | lucas_ | How do I find out if I need it? |
| 17:40.02 | kspath | NikosGr: xemacs excluded? |
| 17:40.07 | NikosGr | yes |
| 17:40.08 | zumbi | lucas_: not necesary |
| 17:40.10 | stew | NikosGr: apt-cache search --names-only emacs ; there will probably be an emacs package pointing to emacs21 or emacs22 soon, there was an emacs package which was emacs20 |
| 17:40.18 | lucas_ | Okay, I will install it now |
| 17:40.27 | zumbi | ok =) |
| 17:40.42 | stew | NikosGr: feel free to file a wishlist bug against emacs21 asking the maintainer why he doesn't provide an emacs dummy package |
| 17:40.45 | Le_Vert | can you help me mates ? |
| 17:40.51 | Le_Vert | I guess my first sid is dead |
| 17:40.53 | Le_Vert | i hate sid |
| 17:40.56 | grummund | kspath: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config --- thank you |
| 17:40.58 | cheal | stew: sorry if I looked like I was trying to discourage him to help |
| 17:41.01 | Le_Vert | Get: 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org sid Release.gpg [189B] |
| 17:41.02 | Le_Vert | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 17:41.10 | Le_Vert | don't know what I can do |
| 17:41.15 | NikosGr | stew, is his chocie to liev it this way |
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| 17:41.26 | Le_Vert | I check on other mirrors but I got the same stupid error |
| 17:41.26 | lucas_ | Okay, I've succesfully installed it, how do I get it to run/work? |
| 17:41.33 | zumbi | Le_Vert: you shouldn't be running sid |
| 17:41.34 | NikosGr | but how should a fellow like me search emacs since he doesnt knwo the version> |
| 17:41.40 | kspath | grummund: No problem. apt-cache search keyword can be quite helpful. apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search keyword can be useful also. |
| 17:41.44 | Le_Vert | i know zumbi |
| 17:41.55 | Le_Vert | but I had no time to rebuild dspam for etch |
| 17:41.58 | kspath | grummund: There is also something called debtags that is quite fun sometimes. |
| 17:41.59 | Le_Vert | so... |
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| 17:42.13 | Le_Vert | now I need to reinstall on this old sparcstation |
| 17:42.18 | stew | NikosGr: i agree. there should be an emacs dummy package. if you file a wishlist bug, the maintainers might provide one, or at least explain why they don't (like they are waiting for emacs22) |
| 17:42.19 | Le_Vert | it will take so much time :( |
| 17:42.37 | tralala | Le_Vert: so now you will discover plenty of time to deal with sid. Oh, and by the way, you shouldn't be running etch either. |
| 17:42.40 | NikosGr | yes |
| 17:42.43 | grummund | kspath: ty |
| 17:42.45 | NikosGr | so stew please also tell me |
| 17:42.52 | NikosGr | why this didtn work? |
| 17:42.54 | zumbi | Le_Vert: do you have apt-setup, apt-spy, etc...? |
| 17:43.03 | NikosGr | apt-get install emacs* |
| 17:43.04 | stew | cheal: no problem, i understand. i just feel like there are lots of more people that could be contributing that i hate to see people discouraged |
| 17:43.07 | Le_Vert | i'm running etch since 3 years without any problem |
| 17:43.16 | Le_Vert | just using the sid kde* with pinning |
| 17:43.20 | lucas_ | zumbi, you still there? |
| 17:43.21 | NikosGr | istnt this suppsoed to downlaod emacs21 as well? |
| 17:43.22 | Le_Vert | as it's alway broken in testing :) |
| 17:43.43 | Le_Vert | no zumbi |
| 17:43.43 | zumbi | lucas_: ? |
| 17:43.51 | Le_Vert | I'll try to use ftp instead of http... |
| 17:43.56 | lucas_ | I've got alsa-base installed, what do I do now in order to get sound to work? |
| 17:44.10 | stew | NikosGr: that won't work because it would try to install multiple packages which conflict with eachother |
| 17:44.16 | kspath | NikosGr: Make sure you also explain that you also thought that you wanted to match all packages starting with emacs. It is possible to have two or more packages that start with emacs that are exclusive. What do you want to happen in that/those case(s). |
| 17:44.17 | Le_Vert | damn :| |
| 17:44.18 | zumbi | Le_Vert: try to find a working mirror, i guess |
| 17:44.33 | tralala | Le_Vert: you could be running stable for much longer with much less problems |
| 17:44.49 | Le_Vert | sed -i 's/http:/ftp:/' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:44.50 | Le_Vert | ... |
| 17:44.55 | Le_Vert | working again :| |
| 17:44.57 | Le_Vert | wtf :| |
| 17:45.03 | zumbi | lucas_: try to run alsactl start and read /usr/share/doc/alsa-base |
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| 17:45.11 | stew | NikosGr: however if you suspect that a package name is going to start with "emacs" you could "apt-cache search ^emacs" or "apt-cache search --names-only ^emacs" |
| 17:45.15 | kspath | NikosGr: Do you want it to branch questions ? |
| 17:45.20 | lucas_ | okay thanks |
| 17:45.22 | zumbi | lucas_: btw, turn up your volume =) |
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| 17:45.36 | dmesg | hi |
| 17:45.42 | suppaman | I'm having this while modprobing ip_tables: unresolved symbol nf_unregister_sockopt |
| 17:45.47 | stew | lucas_: are you behind an ISA firewall? |
| 17:45.50 | stew | Le_Vert: ^^ |
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| 17:45.51 | lucas_ | no |
| 17:45.55 | stew | lucas_: sorry, misfire |
| 17:46.00 | suppaman | what is the quick way to install a new kernel ? |
| 17:46.00 | lucas_ | np |
| 17:46.08 | dmesg | when i install debian i say ignore all pci devices and now i dont have sound, is posible to fix that? |
| 17:46.12 | stew | suppaman: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 17:46.15 | NikosGr | stew, yes dude |
| 17:46.17 | kspath | NikosGr: Imagine you are managing the repository. Imagine all the possible issues and possible solutions. |
| 17:46.19 | suppaman | stew: thanks |
| 17:46.20 | NikosGr | that what i wanted int he first place |
| 17:46.21 | lucas_ | alsactl start |
| 17:46.25 | lucas_ | command not found |
| 17:46.28 | lucas_ | :-( |
| 17:46.29 | stew | NikosGr: you need to disable content inspection on compressed http content |
| 17:46.31 | NikosGr | to egt i list of all packages starting with word "emacs" |
| 17:46.37 | Le_Vert | stew > I would be happy to understand btw |
| 17:46.38 | NikosGr | sicne i din know the exact packages name |
| 17:46.44 | suppaman | what is etch ? |
| 17:46.46 | suppaman | !etch |
| 17:46.47 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 17:46.53 | Le_Vert | maybe a update of apt-get/aptitude to support diffpackage |
| 17:46.53 | stew | NikosGr: ugh, not you |
| 17:47.00 | suppaman | I'm on sid I think |
| 17:47.05 | stew | Le_Vert: you need to disable content inspection on compressed http content |
| 17:47.07 | Le_Vert | that's is not available on sparc yet ? |
| 17:47.12 | NikosGr | NikosGr: you need to disable content inspection on compressed http content |
| 17:47.17 | NikosGr | can you please xpalin that? |
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| 17:47.27 | suppaman | !sid |
| 17:47.27 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:47.28 | stew | NikosGr: sorry, i'm all confused, nevermind that |
| 17:47.39 | suppaman | !unstable |
| 17:47.39 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
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| 17:47.50 | CrazyEddy | Does anybody have an idea why DNS should fail to work under a 2.6 kernel and not 2.4? |
| 17:47.50 | Le_Vert | yes stew |
| 17:47.55 | Le_Vert | explain us |
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| 17:48.03 | Le_Vert | what's this new total fuckage :D |
| 17:48.10 | NikosGr | stews i age what you said |
| 17:48.20 | NikosGr | apt-cache search ^emacs |
| 17:48.25 | NikosGr | and still got this |
| 17:48.34 | NikosGr | dtd - Emacs major mode for editing SGML and XML DTDs |
| 17:48.46 | NikosGr | dtd aint astart with "emacs" |
| 17:48.58 | stew | Le_Vert: your ISA server is breaking when an apache server returns content with the Content-Disposition header is set to x-gzip or someting like that, you need to tell your ISA server not to decompress content during content inspection |
| 17:49.03 | suppaman | how can I add tab completion to apt's parameters ? |
| 17:49.05 | NikosGr | i though this is usppode to retunt me lines starting wioth emacs only |
| 17:49.07 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmmm. |
| 17:49.10 | lucas_ | Still no luck, zumbi |
| 17:49.12 | stew | NikosGr: apt-cache search --names-only ^emacs |
| 17:49.17 | lucas_ | It doesn't finde the command you gave me |
| 17:49.19 | Le_Vert | NikosGr, aptitude search emacs | grep ^emac |
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| 17:49.37 | Le_Vert | stew, ISA ? |
| 17:49.38 | NikosGr | stew what the '^' is tellign apt-get? |
| 17:49.44 | kspath | NikosGr: apt-cache pkgnames emacs |
| 17:49.45 | Le_Vert | what does it means |
| 17:49.49 | kspath | NikosGr: man apt-cache |
| 17:49.58 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmmmmmm. |
| 17:49.58 | Le_Vert | ^ means start of line |
| 17:50.12 | stew | Le_Vert: i thought you said you were behind an isa server, are you? |
| 17:50.20 | NikosGr | even if i give what you said stew |
| 17:50.21 | Le_Vert | i'm not |
| 17:50.25 | NikosGr | i also get line slike these |
| 17:50.26 | NikosGr | xemacs21-nomule - highly customizable text editor -- Non-mule binary |
| 17:50.31 | kspath | NikosGr: ^ is basic regex |
| 17:50.35 | NikosGr | apt-cache search --names-only ^emacs |
| 17:50.47 | kspath | NikosGr: read man apt-cache |
| 17:50.50 | kspath | NikosGr: apt-cache pkgnames emacs |
| 17:50.57 | Le_Vert | Hit ftp://ftp.de.debian.org sid/main Packages/DiffIndex < I sur this new feature (incremental Package files) broke my aptitude |
| 17:50.57 | NikosGr | why ti doesne work like ls |
| 17:50.57 | kspath | NikosGr: man apt-cache |
| 17:51.08 | NikosGr | ls s* |
| 17:51.10 | stew | NikosGr: then pipe it through grep ^emacs |
| 17:51.16 | NikosGr | wil giuve me files starting with s |
| 17:51.27 | NikosGr | ls *s will give me fiels endign with ls |
| 17:51.40 | kspath | NikosGr: Are you incapable of understanding the manual pages regarding apt-cache? |
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| 17:51.48 | NikosGr | no |
| 17:51.57 | kspath | NikosGr: apt-cache pkgnames emacs |
| 17:52.05 | NikosGr | but still i dont follow how thsi comamnd reacts |
| 17:52.09 | stew | NikosGr: yes and "apt-cache search --names-only ^emacs" will only give you pacakges starting with "emacs" however you are getting xemacs* becuase xemacs* Provides: the emacsen package |
| 17:52.21 | CrazyEddy | Situational awareness. |
| 17:52.32 | kspath | NikosGr: man apt-cache you might gain some basic understanding in that case. |
| 17:52.32 | suppaman | how can I have tab-completion with apt's parameters ? anyone on this ? |
| 17:52.54 | Le_Vert | . /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:53.00 | suppaman | Le_Vert: thanks |
| 17:53.00 | NikosGr | stew: yes but emacsen isnt in the name of the package |
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| 17:53.06 | Le_Vert | see /etc/bash.bashrc for enable it always |
| 17:53.20 | lucas_ | can anyone help me? |
| 17:53.22 | stew | NikosGr: yes, i know. this is an oddity |
| 17:53.34 | NikosGr | sorry for me being persistant |
| 17:53.49 | NikosGr | but it doesnt react as expected |
| 17:53.53 | stew | kspath: i am capable of reading the manual page for apt-cache and i think his confusion here is undrestandable, the command is not behaving as the man page says it should |
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| 17:54.19 | Ironhand | as part of a server switch I made some user's homedirectories symlinks to a directory in an nfs mounted tree... however those users are now unable to get a proper shell (login goes fine but the shells hangs before presenting a command prompt)... how could I solve this? |
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| 17:54.47 | NikosGr | stew, exactly |
| 17:55.05 | NikosGr | i ahve read man of apt-get but it soent responmd as expetcted |
| 17:55.08 | kspath | stew: Perhaps not in all cases. It may "seem" to not behave as it should. I am not defending all the choices made. It would seem that most people that ask questions do not try to read the manual pages |
| 17:55.27 | NikosGr | what it the best way i could use to search for that package emacs |
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| 17:55.40 | kspath | NikosGr: apt-cache pkgnames emacs |
| 17:55.47 | NikosGr | sicne i dotn knwo tha name of the package but getting as less as possbile resulkts |
| 17:56.00 | kspath | NikosGr: Assuming you only care about the package name(s). |
| 17:56.08 | NikosGr | yes kspath |
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| 17:56.23 | NikosGr | kspath, yes but |
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| 17:56.44 | stew | kspath: not only does it not "seem" to behave as it should. it doesn't. either that or the manpage needs to be changed (i suspect the latter) |
| 17:56.54 | NikosGr | even like this how woudl i knwo which package to downlaod for emacs? |
| 17:57.07 | NikosGr | dell:~# apt-cache pkgnames emacs | wc -l |
| 17:57.07 | NikosGr | 25 |
| 17:57.09 | Phated | NikosGr: apt-cache show the most likely results and -read-. |
| 17:57.11 | stew | NikosGr: by running apt-cache show on those package names and choosing one |
| 17:57.13 | kspath | stew: There might be many "issues" with apt-get and/or apt-cache |
| 17:57.19 | stew | kspath: thanks |
| 17:57.25 | suppaman | NikosGr: are writing in RPN ? |
| 17:57.34 | CrazyEddy | sik0fewl: I can, but applications don't see the reply. |
| 17:57.38 | NikosGr | RPN? |
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| 17:57.44 | suppaman | rotated polish notation |
| 17:57.54 | Phated | Heh. |
| 17:57.55 | kspath | reverse polish notation |
| 17:57.57 | suppaman | s/are/are you/ |
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| 17:58.01 | suppaman | reverse, sorry |
| 17:58.05 | kspath | data first then operations |
| 17:58.15 | kspath | 5 4 + |
| 17:58.22 | NikosGr | ok ill trey to remember this command then |
| 17:58.29 | suppaman | useful for parsing with a stack |
| 17:58.36 | NikosGr | apt-cache show |
| 17:58.46 | NikosGr | and apt-cache pkgnames emacs |
| 17:58.56 | suppaman | kspath: actually I say "inverse" in italian so I figured it was "rotated" :-p |
| 17:59.04 | kspath | NikosGr: What I like to do is try all/most of the options listed in manual pages. |
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| 17:59.15 | Phated | Take notes in a textfile or something, reading logs takes too much time ;) |
| 17:59.16 | kspath | suppaman: hehehe |
| 17:59.17 | NikosGr | yes kspath |
| 17:59.29 | CrazyEddy | Does anybody have an idea why DNS should work on a 2.4 kernel and not a freshly installed 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:59.45 | kspath | NikosGr: yasu |
| 17:59.51 | eeyore- | crazy: i don't see how it could possibly be the kernel |
| 17:59.53 | cureless | CrazyEddy: just dns? same system? |
| 17:59.58 | dondelelcaro | CrazyEddy: dns doesn't really have anything to do with the kernel. |
| 18:00.18 | CrazyEddy | Well.. I revert to the 2.4 kernel again and it works just fine. |
| 18:00.20 | suppaman | omg I've just installed 2.6 remotely |
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| 18:00.38 | suppaman | the computer has got no monitor nor keyboard, let's hope it'll start |
| 18:00.42 | eeyore- | CrazyEddy: if that happens, you forgot to enable some networking options when you compiled :-) |
| 18:00.43 | dondelelcaro | CrazyEddy: does your network work at all? |
| 18:00.47 | cureless | CrazyEddy: but is it just dns that's failing? You can ping and ssh with ips for example? |
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| 18:00.52 | NikosGr | kspath, geia sou! |
| 18:00.53 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: yeah, that'd be one :-) |
| 18:01.08 | CrazyEddy | eeyore-: I didn't compile it. It's a standard package. |
| 18:01.09 | suppaman | CrazyEddy: DNS as client or server ? |
| 18:01.24 | kspath | NikosGr: kalee spera |
| 18:01.26 | cureless | suppaman: you don't have to boot to the new kernel you know. |
| 18:01.53 | CrazyEddy | suppaman: Bind9 sends the requests and the remote system seems to be replying. It's just that the local client times out. |
| 18:02.07 | NikosGr | kspath, kalispera kai se sena kspath :) |
| 18:02.28 | suppaman | cureless: I have, I need masquerading and can't compile a new kernel |
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| 18:02.42 | suppaman | "kai se sena" ? |
| 18:03.07 | DarkJesus | Hello everyone! |
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| 18:03.10 | DarkJesus | I need some help |
| 18:03.18 | kspath | NikosGr: I have no idea about how to write in greek with or without greek letters. |
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| 18:03.32 | Ralith | I'm having a very odd problem. I've got debian running on a dedicated machine with several ports forwarded to it, and it's closing all connections for no clear reason. Except unreliably. I can connect to the running irssi proxy with xchat, but not another irssi, and I can neither ftp nor ssh in. However, the webserver is working fine as far as I can tell. I don't have physical access to the machine at the moment, but will later in the day. If anyone has any |
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| 18:03.48 | NikosGr | kspath, its ok, for most people that are all greek to them :) |
| 18:03.51 | sid | How can I block all traffic to port 22, except an ip range I specify... |
| 18:03.56 | sid | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP |
| 18:03.59 | CrazyEddy | You know, from memory, tcpdump was doing an A6 request under the 2.6 kernel, and under the 2.4 one it's doing just A requests. |
| 18:04.03 | sid | iptables -A INPUT -s 137.125.0.0/16 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 18:04.10 | sid | Is that right...I don't think it is. |
| 18:04.14 | CrazyEddy | That means it's trying to do IPV6 lookups. Why? |
| 18:04.30 | DarkJesus | OK, I install the netinst CD and I need x11 or xfree86 or whatever is needed to open a window manager |
| 18:04.34 | sid | Will that only allow 137.125.0.0 through 137.125.255.255 inbound tcp port 22? |
| 18:04.35 | sid | or no? |
| 18:04.44 | CrazyEddy | Is there any way to turn that off? |
| 18:05.04 | cureless | sid: just be aware that the order matters. |
| 18:05.30 | cureless | CrazyEddy: the A6 shouldn't normally hurt you. |
| 18:05.53 | jelly | sid: looks all right. |
| 18:05.59 | NikosGr | damn when i isntaleld debian few days ago at late night wasnt able to find the packegs i wanted |
| 18:06.04 | CrazyEddy | cureless: Well, technically speaking, it's the absense of A replies that does the hurting. |
| 18:06.13 | sid | cureless: Is my order right? |
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| 18:06.19 | NikosGr | for example sources.list with package slike nvidia-glx |
| 18:06.37 | NikosGr | or others with basic debian packlags |
| 18:06.44 | cureless | CrazyEddy: but just to make sure, you can ssh/ping to ip addresses, right? |
| 18:06.54 | jelly | sid: erm, except for the order. First allow some, then drop everything (not matched above) |
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| 18:07.21 | CrazyEddy | cureless: Yep, traceroutes go into the internet. |
| 18:07.49 | kspath | NikosGr: I started a list of all my preferred package names and grouped them for various reasons/purposes. I can do a base install and then chose a group(s) I created for myself. |
| 18:07.53 | DarkJesus | Hello - how can I get X11 on debian? |
| 18:07.56 | DarkJesus | Using apt-get |
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| 18:08.05 | stew | DarkJesus: what version of debian? |
| 18:08.07 | cureless | sid: different firewalls use different methods. Normally, when you use a jump command the order is "normal". Meaning, it'll evaluate each rule and see what happens, so if you kill all the trafic with one rule it will never get to the next rule. |
| 18:08.11 | DarkJesus | The netinst |
| 18:08.16 | stew | DarkJesus: stable? |
| 18:08.18 | stew | DarkJesus: apt-get isntall x-window-system-core |
| 18:08.21 | DarkJesus | I got it yesterday, so the newest stable |
| 18:08.22 | DarkJesus | Yes |
| 18:08.25 | DarkJesus | OK, cool |
| 18:08.29 | DarkJesus | I'll try that |
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| 18:08.45 | NikosGr | kspath, hwo you find repos for youe preffered packages? |
| 18:08.48 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmmmm. |
| 18:08.51 | cureless | CrazyEddy: you're using your own bind9 right? Try to use dig some.domain and see what error you get. |
| 18:08.52 | stew | DarkJesus: and you also probably want a wondow manager or desktop environment like kde / gnome / fluxbox... |
| 18:09.03 | DarkJesus | OK, cool, it's doing it |
| 18:09.07 | kspath | NikosGr: I am using normal/standard repositories. |
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| 18:09.22 | CrazyEddy | cureless: I'm not running under 2.6 right now. |
| 18:09.23 | Alam_Debian | if I did vim *.c, how to go the the next file? |
| 18:09.23 | kspath | NikosGr: I do not use any odd/special things. |
| 18:09.26 | DarkJesus | I got KDE and fluxbox before X11, cos I thought it would download x11 as a dependency |
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| 18:09.35 | DarkJesus | Anyway, thanks Stew |
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| 18:09.37 | CrazyEddy | cureless: But I'll remember that. |
| 18:09.39 | DarkJesus | It's downloading now |
| 18:09.42 | NikosGr | for example i wanted nvidia-glx |
| 18:09.42 | cureless | Alam_Debian: :b2 |
| 18:09.55 | NikosGr | how iam supposed to now whcih repos has this package? |
| 18:09.55 | kspath | NikosGr: I do not care to use my machine as a DVD player or the like so I do not have to deal with that kind of licensing BS. |
| 18:10.03 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmmm. |
| 18:10.27 | stew | NikosGr: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:10.32 | kspath | NikosGr: The packages you are seeing in searches are in the repository(s) you have listed in your soures.list. |
| 18:10.52 | stew | NikosGr: in this case you want packages.debian.org |
| 18:11.34 | CrazyEddy | Wah. |
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| 18:12.09 | NikosGr | yes because guys if iam to install debian on a friends machine |
| 18:12.18 | NikosGr | with a netinstall immediately after this i must |
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| 18:12.33 | NikosGr | edit /etc/apt/sources.list with good repos |
| 18:12.42 | NikosGr | and didnt knwo any of tme |
| 18:12.48 | NikosGr | so what would i fill in? |
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| 18:13.00 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 18:13.00 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 18:13.04 | dondelelcaro | NikosGr: see above. |
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| 18:13.14 | NikosGr | yes |
| 18:13.17 | NikosGr | now i know |
| 18:13.24 | NikosGr | but because you told me |
| 18:13.35 | NikosGr | other wsie i would not able to fill even that one too |
| 18:13.45 | lepton | you were expecting an oracle? |
| 18:13.55 | dondelelcaro | it's filled in for you on install too, you just pick a netowkr using apt-setup. |
| 18:14.02 | dondelelcaro | s/netowkr/mirror/ |
| 18:14.11 | NikosGr | and also i doubt if packages.debian.org inclued nvidia-glx as a package inside it |
| 18:14.27 | Phated | non-free and contrib, somewhere, surely. |
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| 18:15.48 | eeyore- | NikosGr: what are you going on about? |
| 18:15.53 | NikosGr | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 18:16.05 | NikosGr | this as repos that has nvidia-glx |
| 18:16.17 | NikosGr | but i ahve it becauser you told me to put it in |
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| 18:16.28 | NikosGr | how did you knew that thjis repos had things liek that? |
| 18:16.43 | stew | NikosGr: http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx |
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| 18:16.58 | eeyore- | NikosGr: i'm using sid and it has nvidia-glx |
| 18:17.13 | eeyore- | NikosGr: if your question is more general, 'how do i tell what's in where' then the answer is different |
| 18:17.28 | NikosGr | yes |
| 18:17.35 | NikosGr | stew, in fact it has it it |
| 18:17.46 | dmesg | any one is going to the debian day? |
| 18:17.52 | NikosGr | does in also have stuff liek mstttruefonts ? |
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| 18:18.24 | NikosGr | stew, so its ok to add this in socues.list? |
| 18:18.37 | stew | NikosGr: non-free? its up to you |
| 18:18.45 | NikosGr | deb http://packages.debian.org/ sarge main |
| 18:18.50 | DarkJesus | OK, I just installed X11 |
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| 18:19.01 | DarkJesus | I have some problems when I enter startx thougj |
| 18:19.13 | stew | NikosGr: no. packages.debian.org just lets you search through the packages available on the debian mirrors (/msg dpkg mirrors) |
| 18:19.39 | stew | NikosGr: for instance, nvidia-glx is available from ftp.us.debian.org, but in non-free (not officially part of debian). /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 18:20.11 | stew | DarkJesus: no screens found? or no core pointers? or something else? |
| 18:20.12 | DarkJesus | When I type in startx, I get errors saying - "failed to initialize core devices" |
| 18:20.23 | stew | DarkJesus: "modprobe mousedev" and try again |
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| 18:20.31 | DarkJesus | OK |
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| 18:20.39 | stew | DarkJesus: if that works, add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 18:20.40 | suppaman | lol, I rebooted in a terminal that was not on ssh |
| 18:20.44 | Ironhand | is anyone familiar with this problem? I can list directories on an NFS share fine, however if I try to cat the contents of a file the shell hangs... restarted portmap & nfs-common, no change |
| 18:20.46 | suppaman | so I reboot this machine |
| 18:21.07 | NikosGr | i see stew |
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| 18:21.11 | NikosGr | but tell me |
| 18:21.14 | NikosGr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.18 | eeyore- | Ironhand: i'll bet you the directory content is cached |
| 18:21.27 | sepski | Ironhand, log output on the client ? nfs timeouts or so ? |
| 18:21.29 | NikosGr | how did you knew that nvidia-glx was at that ftp server? |
| 18:21.33 | DarkJesus | OK, stew, it started, but the mouse doesn't move |
| 18:21.37 | suppaman | now I've got linux-image-2.6, what is its source tree ? |
| 18:21.40 | Ironhand | sepski: no odd log entries |
| 18:21.44 | stew | NikosGr: becuase its on every official debian mirror |
| 18:21.44 | sepski | Ironhand, cat work ok localty on the server i assume |
| 18:21.46 | kspath | suppaman: I recommend you put hostnames in your prompts. Consider colour coding your local and remote terms separately or separate workspace. |
| 18:22.07 | eeyore- | Ironhand: and if the 'shell hangs' there could be a few things. first, why not try 'rpcinfo -p servername' to see what's running or not running on the NFS server? |
| 18:22.08 | stew | DarkJesus: try "modprobe psmouse" as well. what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:22.08 | Ironhand | eeyore-: I can still remount the nfs mounts in question... |
| 18:22.14 | suppaman | kspath: that's a good point |
| 18:22.26 | Ironhand | sepski: yes |
| 18:22.28 | NikosGr | if i want a package how do i tell ehcih repos has it? |
| 18:22.30 | suppaman | kspath: I need source tree to compile a driver, how is it called ? |
| 18:22.30 | eeyore- | Ironhand: also, the server itself could be having low-level problems (e.g. dead disk) |
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| 18:22.36 | DarkJesus | I'll check that in a minute, stew |
| 18:22.38 | kspath | suppaman: I have a bit of experience. Experience does not equal employment. |
| 18:22.45 | sepski | DarkJesus, verify you use /dev/input/mice as mouse device i had an install that used something else (cant remember what) |
| 18:22.49 | Ironhand | eeyore-: the problem occurs with multiple nfs servers, and the servers work fine from other systems |
| 18:22.49 | eeyore- | Ironhand: so conceivably it can give you directory listing, but dies if you actually try to do file i/o, get it? |
| 18:22.52 | suppaman | kspath: I mean the source relative to the kernel image I just installed |
| 18:22.55 | DarkJesus | I'm going through the KDE initial setup using only the keyboard |
| 18:22.56 | suppaman | kspath: yeah :-P |
| 18:23.01 | suppaman | :-) |
| 18:23.21 | eeyore- | Ironhand: i doubt we can give you answer to this kind of question ... you'd have to do a lot of debugging |
| 18:23.45 | suppaman | linux-source-2.6 ? |
| 18:23.48 | NikosGr | never mid i foudn it |
| 18:23.57 | kspath | suppaman: I do not help with many things like that. Sorry. I generally help with more generic things. I avoid anything that might have a serious or direct impacts. Sorry. |
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| 18:24.12 | stew | NikosGr: if its on packges.debian.org. every official mirror has it. if its not. you have to find an unofficial repository. apt-get.org is sometimes helpful for finding unofficial repositories. however you should be careful about what you install from unofficial repositories, and don't expect support here for unofficial packages |
| 18:24.37 | stew | suppaman: which driver? |
| 18:24.40 | Ironhand | eeyore: thanks for the help, anyway... on a related question, is there any way to kill off the hanging processes so they stop driving up system load? |
| 18:24.52 | _rain | does anyone know what restrictions there are, if any, on what i call a software package that i write |
| 18:24.52 | suppaman | kspath: VIA Rhine |
| 18:24.52 | stew | suppaman: in general you don't need kernel source for a driver, but kernel headers |
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| 18:24.58 | _rain | this is not a debian-specific question |
| 18:25.01 | stew | suppaman: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:25.03 | eeyore- | Ironhand: ps -eo pid,command,wchan, find out what the process is doing (wchan field) |
| 18:25.18 | NikosGr | yes stew |
| 18:25.18 | eeyore- | Ironhand: if it's in *interruptible state, no, you can't kill it (kernel bug?) |
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| 18:25.27 | yang | I am getting exim error: R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host , how do i fix it? |
| 18:25.30 | NikosGr | what is an unoffical repository? |
| 18:25.30 | eeyore- | Ironhand: uh, *uninterruptible |
| 18:25.45 | DarkJesus | speski - "dev/input/mouse" no such file or directory |
| 18:25.56 | suppaman | stew: lol it's still 2.4.27 |
| 18:25.59 | stew | NikosGr: one that has non-debian software. such as the nerim.net one you listed before |
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| 18:26.11 | stew | suppaman: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:26.11 | suppaman | I tought I had just switched to 2.6 |
| 18:26.14 | sepski | suppaman, we have a few installs of flexiserv basicaly you put all your 1u half length pc's in a cooled rack and use cheap kvm's to the desktops. works like a charm |
| 18:26.16 | Ironhand | eeyore-: the ps line reports "lock_page" for the processes in question |
| 18:26.23 | suppaman | stew: 2.4.27 |
| 18:26.28 | eeyore- | Ironhand: kernel? |
| 18:26.34 | Ironhand | 2.4.27 |
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| 18:26.40 | eeyore- | Ironhand: patches? |
| 18:26.45 | stew | suppaman: oh, you compiled it yourself? if you use a debian 2.4.27 kernel it would have via-rhine support |
| 18:26.49 | NikosGr | and what packages are considered to be non-debian software ? |
| 18:26.51 | sepski | suppaman, ww sorry |
| 18:26.53 | Ironhand | eeyore-: SKAS patch for UML, nothing else |
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| 18:27.04 | eeyore- | Ironhand: so it's vanilla linus tree? |
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| 18:27.08 | Ironhand | eeyore-: oh, and Debian patches, sry |
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| 18:27.28 | eeyore- | Ironhand: are ALL nfsd processes in lock_page state? |
| 18:27.29 | stew | NikosGr: anything not on the official mirrors in main |
| 18:27.37 | suppaman | stew: didn't knew, I had this kernel on this machine for a while, I added a cheapo nic and didn't find the support |
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| 18:27.51 | suppaman | stew: so I could just use a 2.4.27 debian image |
| 18:27.52 | stew | suppaman: did you try "modprobe via-rhine" ? |
| 18:27.57 | DarkJesus | What is the appropriate "xwmconfig" command? |
| 18:28.01 | stew | suppaman: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:28.02 | suppaman | can't locate |
| 18:28.03 | Ironhand | eeyore-: I just checked out more and some are in "wait_on_page" state... also, the nfsd processes aren't doing anything special |
| 18:28.04 | turi | stew i've been all over google |
| 18:28.06 | turi | i can't fix this :( |
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| 18:28.17 | DarkJesus | To change your default wm when startx is entered? |
| 18:28.23 | eeyore- | Ironhand: you got some weird patch interaction going on there? :-) |
| 18:28.55 | stew | suppaman: yes, any debian compiled kernel would have via-rhine support |
| 18:28.58 | Ironhand | eeyore-: theoretically possible, but odd it never surfaced before (system uptime = 286 days) |
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| 18:29.09 | suppaman | stew: dpkg suggested me tu upgrade 2.6 and I did but on reboot I had still 2.4.27 |
| 18:29.24 | DarkJesus | Anyone know what I should be entering instead of "xwmconfig"? |
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| 18:29.47 | stew | suppaman: sounds like you need to change your bootloader config. do you use lilo or grub? |
| 18:29.57 | suppaman | lilo |
| 18:29.59 | valdyn | DarkJesus: depends, which wm do you want? |
| 18:30.01 | stew | DarkJesus: what are you trying to do? switch from kde to something else? |
| 18:30.03 | kspath | NikosGr: Have you considered buying a decent book about Debian? "The Debian System, Concepts And Techniques" by Martin F. Krafft is a decent book. It might help with your many questions. |
| 18:30.10 | DarkJesus | Fluxbox |
| 18:30.26 | valdyn | DarkJesus: and what do you currently have? |
| 18:30.31 | DarkJesus | KDE |
| 18:30.38 | stew | suppaman: you likely need to edit lilo.conf and run lilo. for a debian compiled kernel you MUST include a initrd= line for the new kernel, if you don't it won't boot. |
| 18:30.44 | valdyn | DarkJesus: edit ~/.xsession |
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| 18:30.50 | suppaman | stew: I added the initrd |
| 18:30.54 | kspath | !tell NikosGr about reference |
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| 18:31.14 | valdyn | DarkJesus: like echo 'exec /usr/bin/fluxbox' > ~/.xsession |
| 18:31.18 | suppaman | oh I see |
| 18:31.34 | suppaman | my default entry was /boot/vmlinuz instead /vmlinuz |
| 18:31.52 | yang | I am getting exim error: R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host , how do i fix it? |
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| 18:31.56 | suppaman | I am not used to automatic kernel images handling |
| 18:31.59 | tralala | DarkJesus: you might want to install a display manager |
| 18:32.04 | suppaman | so I cleaned the root :-p |
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| 18:32.47 | stew | suppaman: it would be wise to leave an entry in there for your current working kernel |
| 18:33.10 | suppaman | stew: I have but the box is only case, so I'd connect a keyboard |
| 18:33.16 | suppaman | and a monitor |
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| 18:33.25 | suppaman | it's my "mule" |
| 18:33.28 | kspath | yang: Is it a debian issue? Are you running Sarge/Stable or Etch/Testing or Sid/Unstable ? |
| 18:33.42 | yang | kspath: sarge |
| 18:33.45 | DarkJesus | OK, fluxbox starts now |
| 18:33.51 | suppaman | celeron 300@450, still rocking, and they used to say overclocking kills processors.. |
| 18:33.53 | DarkJesus | But I still can't use the mouse |
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| 18:34.09 | valdyn | DarkJesus: your mouse is an unrelated issue |
| 18:34.12 | yang | kspath: i am able to receive emails, but i cannot send them. |
| 18:34.15 | valdyn | DarkJesus: why cant you use it? |
| 18:34.16 | stew | suppaman: i have such mules, but i'm now underclocking them to ensure uptime :) |
| 18:34.27 | DarkJesus | It doesn't move |
| 18:34.39 | DarkJesus | I don't know why I can't use it |
| 18:34.45 | eeyore- | i see we're still dealing with X mouse / no-screen-found issues? |
| 18:34.47 | suppaman | stew: any issues with uptime ? |
| 18:34.52 | valdyn | DarkJesus: how's that mouse connected |
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| 18:34.59 | DarkJesus | ps/2 |
| 18:35.16 | suppaman | stew: this is almost rocksolid, it has been up for months (maybe years?) |
| 18:35.17 | eeyore- | DarkJesus: cat /dev/psaux, wiggle mouse, see anything on the terminal? |
| 18:35.21 | kspath | yang: Did you look into what your error means? Searched debian and exim mailing list archives? |
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| 18:35.32 | valdyn | DarkJesus: you don't need X for this test: type 'cat /dev/input/mice' and move your mouse, tell us the output |
| 18:35.38 | yang | kspath: i tried googling |
| 18:35.40 | suppaman | stew: it doesn't boot |
| 18:35.44 | suppaman | I have to check it |
| 18:35.44 | stew | suppaman: nah. just my firewall for instance that i know will never use the extra cpu anyway, and i'm running it fanless i figure i might as well underclock it for peace of mind |
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| 18:35.49 | DarkJesus | Yep |
| 18:35.53 | DarkJesus | I get symbols |
| 18:35.56 | suppaman | stew: sounds nice |
| 18:36.00 | valdyn | !drxx DarkJesus |
| 18:36.00 | dpkg | DarkJesus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:36.05 | eeyore- | DarkJesus: OK then the mouse PS/2 port is physically enabled |
| 18:36.06 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmm. |
| 18:36.09 | valdyn | DarkJesus: and pick just that device |
| 18:36.14 | eeyore- | DarkJesus: so what's not working with X? |
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| 18:36.26 | stew | suppaman: when you turn on the monitor its going to say VFS unable to mount root, which is when i tell you you didn't actually configure the initrd correctly |
| 18:36.46 | suppaman | stew: no I added the initrd |
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| 18:37.02 | kspath | yang: Did you read exim documentation? Did you find out what "T=remote_smtp defer (-53)" means? and what "R=dnslookup" means? |
| 18:37.07 | gozz | what would cause debian to detect more than one cpu? |
| 18:37.10 | suppaman | configure the initrd ? did you mean the lilo.conf ? |
| 18:37.16 | eeyore- | gozz: 'cause'? |
| 18:37.25 | cureless | gozz: more than 1 cpu |
| 18:37.28 | stew | gozz: an smp enabled kernel |
| 18:37.29 | eeyore- | gozz: uh, the presence of multiple CPUs or cores, maybe? |
| 18:37.32 | valdyn | gozz: having more than 1 cpu, for example |
| 18:37.33 | kspath | yang: There is also a #exim for questions about that MTA. |
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| 18:38.07 | suppaman | stew: I think it is via rhine III and not supported by the kernel so I had to use that driver |
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| 18:38.30 | suppaman | anyway I'm out for dinner |
| 18:38.33 | suppaman | bye and thanks |
| 18:38.38 | seb- | anyone else notice pam_cracklib no workie in Debian *testing* ? |
| 18:38.56 | gozz | i only have one single core cpu but it has ht could that be the reason? |
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| 18:39.30 | stew | gozz: yes, a smp kernel will detect HT as 2 cpus |
| 18:39.48 | pipeline | gozz: Not that that is a good thing. HT is evil. |
| 18:39.54 | corona | hi i have a problem with X server- probably the font server can someone help me? i can paste my messages |
| 18:40.04 | gozz | i use a 686 |
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| 18:40.42 | yang | kspath: nobody answeres there |
| 18:40.45 | eeyore- | gozz: hyperthreading will also show up as multiple cpu's, yes |
| 18:41.01 | kspath | yang: #debian does not control or support #exim |
| 18:41.03 | eeyore- | pipeline: why? |
| 18:41.45 | pipeline | eeyore-: Poor performance, licensing issues :\ |
| 18:41.51 | pipeline | eeyore-: Hyperthreading was a bad idea implemented poorly :P |
| 18:42.13 | stew | yang: i dont' think that is an error |
| 18:42.20 | tralala | ht is a compromise - sometimes helps, sometimes hurts |
| 18:42.42 | stew | yang: it looks like its just saying, "its not yet time to retry, i'll retry later" |
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| 18:43.23 | kspath | yang: It would be a good idea to learn about exim if you are planning to use exim more than just one day. |
| 18:43.35 | yang | stew: I cannot send email to ANY address |
| 18:43.39 | stew | yang: is dns working on that box? |
| 18:43.52 | yang | stew: yes i have bind running |
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| 18:44.26 | stew | yang: does, for instance "dig debian.org mx" return lots of results? |
| 18:45.13 | eeyore- | i like postfix. it is easier on my brain. |
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| 18:45.28 | yang | stew: just 0 master.debian.org |
| 18:45.41 | yang | 2006-05-12 20:44:35 1Fecct-000339-Jx <= jan@domain.be U=jan P=local S=407 id=20060512184435.GB11372@zeus |
| 18:45.41 | yang | 2006-05-12 20:44:37 1Fecct-000339-Jx linuxmail-org.mr.outblaze.com [64.62.181.93]: Connection refused |
| 18:45.45 | cwojack | I could use some help with Postfix |
| 18:46.13 | eeyore- | cwojack: what's not working? |
| 18:46.20 | cwojack | I am getting a no relay message when I send mail to the server. |
| 18:46.25 | stew | yang: what happens when you run "telnet 64.62.181.93 smtp" do you get a connection? or connection refused? |
| 18:46.47 | stew | yang: if you get connection refused, then you have a firewall that is blocking you |
| 18:46.55 | eeyore- | cwojack: then the client you're sending from is not considered part of 'mynetworks', or you can also add it explicitly as a relay source |
| 18:47.00 | Aoel | when trying to apt-get install it's showing something like that: W: Impossible to check list of packages source http://ftp.de.debian.org uns |
| 18:47.00 | Aoel | table/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian-non- |
| 18:47.00 | Aoel | US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 files or dir |
| 18:47.00 | Aoel | not found) |
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| 18:47.02 | yang | Trying 64.62.181.93... |
| 18:47.02 | yang | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 18:47.10 | eeyore- | cwojack: is the client and server in the same subnet? |
| 18:47.21 | tralala | yang: you have a firewall/router problem |
| 18:47.29 | eeyore- | cwojack: probably not, based on 'no relay' :-) |
| 18:47.32 | corona | can someone please look at this? http://pastebin.com/713967 |
| 18:47.35 | stew | !connection refused |
| 18:47.35 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 18:47.39 | stew | yang: ^^^ |
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| 18:47.41 | kspath | cwojack: There is/are resource(s) like #postfix and postfix mailing lists and websites and documentation. Just an FYI. |
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| 18:48.01 | yang | stew: i dont run any firewall |
| 18:48.13 | stew | yang: then it is your isp |
| 18:48.17 | eeyore- | kspath: this question doesn't have to go to #postfix or mailing list. he'd get his ass chewed by the author if he tried |
| 18:48.23 | yang | stew: my iptables list seems empty |
| 18:48.43 | cwojack | The email is comming from out side to a user on the system. |
| 18:48.47 | kspath | eeyore-: I do not doubt it. Just pointing out MTA specific resources. |
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| 18:49.33 | yang | Stew: |
| 18:49.46 | tralala | cwojack: is the outside user trying to use your mailserver directly? |
| 18:49.46 | yang | Trying 193.2.1.87...Connected to kanin.arnes.si. Escape character is '^]'. 220 postfix.arnes.si ESMTP Postfix |
| 18:50.25 | cwojack | The outside user is sending mail to the user on the server |
| 18:50.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:50.34 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:50.55 | stew | yang: what happens when you try to send mail to arnes.si ? |
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| 18:51.14 | tralala | cwojack: yeah, but what is the smtp server that the outside user is trying to connect to in order to send the email? |
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| 18:52.23 | yang | Stew: #flood |
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| 18:53.28 | eeyore- | cwojack: you have to read the postfix log, dude :-) "the outside user is trying to send mail to user on the server" is obviously legitimate, but if it doesn't work, you're doing something wrong, and there's nothing in that statement that will tell you what it is you did wrong. read the postfix mail log, and/or /etc/postfix/main.cnf |
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| 18:55.17 | kspath | Are there any debian questions? |
| 18:55.48 | tralala | yeah - why is debina soo old?!?!!! k tx |
| 18:56.01 | stoffell | it's not old |
| 18:56.07 | tralala | !irritate kspath |
| 18:56.08 | dpkg | kspath: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 18:56.11 | kspath | tralala: Because the project was started "long ago" ? |
| 18:56.33 | yang | Stew: did you see msgs? |
| 18:56.33 | eeyore- | go home and play with your wii! |
| 18:56.40 | corona | neone got time to answer a problem i'm facing with xserver |
| 18:56.43 | kspath | tralala: Start by going to #mepis ;-) |
| 18:57.00 | tralala | kspath: ;) |
| 18:57.29 | tralala | !neone |
| 18:57.29 | dpkg | neone is probably pronounced knee-ohn-eeh |
| 18:57.30 | eeyore- | corona: you haven't tried yserver? |
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| 18:57.40 | kspath | corona: xserver? xfree? xorg? Stable? Testing? Unstable? |
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| 18:58.37 | tralala | !comfort eeyore- |
| 18:58.37 | dpkg | There, there, eeyore-. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 18:58.58 | corona | http://pastebin.com/713967 |
| 18:58.59 | kspath | corona: My questions should not be thought to imply I will be able to answer or that I will even try. I am at least trying to help you frame your question in a way as to help those that might be able to help which may or may not include me. |
| 18:58.59 | sid | !start a distro war |
| 18:58.59 | dpkg | RHEL 0wnz! |
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| 18:59.22 | corona | kspath: got it just a sec |
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| 18:59.44 | corona | kspath: i have pasted the message log http://pastebin.com/713967 |
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| 18:59.56 | kspath | corona: xserver? xfree? xorg? Stable? Testing? Unstable? |
| 19:00.03 | beered | !get me a girlfirend beered- |
| 19:00.23 | corona | xfree sorry stable |
| 19:00.24 | valdyn | corona: that's a very nice long log file, what's your issue though? |
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| 19:00.30 | tralala | !win beered |
| 19:00.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, beered! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 19:00.45 | beered | tralala: not bad, not bad... |
| 19:01.09 | tralala | beered: there you go! And you can have Snowwhite for a girlfriend. |
| 19:01.20 | stew | yang: yeah, so it looks like the arnes.si one is working, you got a 450 which is a temporary error on their side |
| 19:01.40 | corona | its obvious that i am new here...so i installed debian stable using netinstall and further installed xfree and gnome. on rebooting the screen goes blank... |
| 19:01.48 | yang | stew: well, i doubt it would be error on gmail.com and hotmail.com ....? |
| 19:01.52 | beered | tralala: I'll be ok as long as I'm the only man on the island |
| 19:01.54 | stew | yang: they are probably greylisting you. if you try with the same from and to address to arnes.si in 5 minutes or so it wouold probably work |
| 19:01.57 | corona | kspath: its xfree stable |
| 19:02.03 | stew | yang: that is a firewall error |
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| 19:02.12 | stew | yang: (the hotmail and gmail ones) |
| 19:02.17 | valdyn | corona: just blank? are you able to use that system at all now? |
| 19:02.19 | yang | stew: stew, maybe my IP in SORBS list? |
| 19:02.28 | stew | yang: yeah, could be |
| 19:02.30 | kspath | corona: What part of all of that did you want me to see? |
| 19:02.39 | corona | valdyn: nothing! it hangs |
| 19:02.40 | madclicker | need gpg key for marillat etch olz |
| 19:02.42 | madclicker | plz |
| 19:02.44 | corona | kspath: the last line |
| 19:02.44 | valdyn | kspath: nothing of interest at all in that log |
| 19:02.48 | tralala | beered: you'll have to arrange this with dpkg :) be aware that he loves to give tickets to this destination |
| 19:02.48 | yang | stew: can you tell me one email which doesnt use sorbs just to check if it goes through? |
| 19:02.54 | corona | kspath: the very last one |
| 19:03.00 | valdyn | corona: how did you access that log then? |
| 19:03.09 | stew | yang: i dunno |
| 19:03.17 | valdyn | corona: there's nothing useful for your issue in that log |
| 19:03.30 | kspath | corona: coron Xprt_64: No matching visual for __GLcontextMode with visual class = 0 (32775), nplanes = 8 |
| 19:03.35 | corona | valdyn: i have kubuntu |
| 19:03.45 | corona | kspath: yes thats the line |
| 19:03.48 | valdyn | corona: kubuntu has xorg? |
| 19:03.57 | corona | valdyn: yes |
| 19:03.59 | kspath | corona: This is #debian not #ubuntu. |
| 19:04.01 | valdyn | corona: ask in an appropriate forum, probably #ubuntu |
| 19:04.03 | stew | yang: if you email me, stew@vireo.org i could tell you if you hit any of the RBLs i check |
| 19:04.22 | valdyn | corona: ops, maybe i misunderstood you |
| 19:04.24 | corona | valdyn: yes but i have also installed debian and this problem is regarding debian stable install |
| 19:04.40 | valdyn | corona: which is your graphic hardware, which driver did you pick when configuring X? |
| 19:04.44 | kspath | corona: Debian Sarge/Stable has little/nothing to do with ubuntu/kubuntu. |
| 19:04.51 | corona | nvidia "nv" |
| 19:04.52 | eeyore- | kspath: 8 bit display? isn't that a little low for OpenGL? |
| 19:05.01 | yang | ok mailed...connection refused |
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| 19:05.12 | valdyn | corona: which nvidia card do you have |
| 19:05.26 | eeyore- | valdyn: ATI xpert64 it looks like, that's what he picked |
| 19:05.34 | kspath | eeyore-: No idea. I was taking the one line from corona pastebin to make sure I knew what corona was attempting to ask about. |
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| 19:05.43 | valdyn | eeyore-: uh? |
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| 19:05.57 | DarkJesus | Why are all the programs I install from apt-get extremely old? |
| 19:05.59 | stew | yang: then you have a firewall problem somewhere in between you and me. |
| 19:06.13 | kspath | DarkJesus: You were born yesterday? |
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| 19:06.17 | eeyore- | DarkJesus: sid |
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| 19:06.32 | beered | is there an easy way to block P2P clients (likes of gnutella or torrents) from using my LAN? |
| 19:06.36 | suppaman | stew: wanna laugh |
| 19:06.37 | suppaman | ? |
| 19:06.46 | stew | suppaman: sure |
| 19:06.47 | valdyn | corona: boot your debian in safe mode or rescue mode or whatever its called and apt-get remove gdm xdm kdm |
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| 19:06.56 | corona | valdyn: one sec |
| 19:06.56 | eeyore- | beered: easy, no |
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| 19:07.03 | tralala | DarkJesus: are they getting the job done? |
| 19:07.03 | valdyn | corona: after that X won't be started automagically |
| 19:07.07 | beered | eeyore-: 'easy' is a relative thing. try me. :) |
| 19:07.08 | cwojack | I lost the channal. L am looking for help with postfix. |
| 19:07.11 | DarkJesus | kspath and eeyore, could you please explain yourselves? |
| 19:07.15 | corona | valdyn: then what do i do |
| 19:07.20 | eeyore- | beered: wait, let me try again. yes. block everything and only open specific ports :-) |
| 19:07.27 | suppaman | stew: the system booted correctly but as it now has the support for rhine its driver became eth0 instead eth1 and so the network was messed up |
| 19:07.39 | kspath | DarkJesus: "extremely old" relative to being new to this plane of existance? |
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| 19:07.43 | beered | eeyore-: port blocking is for girls. I want to block this on application level. |
| 19:07.45 | eeyore- | DarkJesus: sid has newer packages |
| 19:07.48 | suppaman | stew: just need to enable masquerading now |
| 19:07.48 | stew | suppaman: ahh, yeah. you might be interested in ifrename then :) |
| 19:08.00 | valdyn | corona: then you reboot again, and have no X running, then you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and pick vesa ( for now ) |
| 19:08.02 | DarkJesus | I have firefox 1 (not 1.5) |
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| 19:08.06 | eeyore- | beered: well then, maybe go install the appropriate norton/symantec stuff? :-) |
| 19:08.10 | suppaman | stew: I'm not I just swapped eth0 and eth1 in interfaces |
| 19:08.12 | DarkJesus | Gaim 1 (Not 1.5 or even 2 beta) |
| 19:08.17 | corona | valdyn: ok will try that |
| 19:08.22 | beered | eeyore-: I'm on debian testing. |
| 19:08.23 | suppaman | stew: btw what's ipsec0 ? |
| 19:08.29 | corona | valdyn: anything else i should keep in mind |
| 19:08.31 | valdyn | corona: to get X with a 'real' driver, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:08.33 | stew | suppaman: a vpn interface |
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| 19:08.35 | DarkJesus | Is that debian's "thing" then |
| 19:08.41 | DarkJesus | Keeping old packages? |
| 19:08.45 | suppaman | ok |
| 19:08.45 | kspath | DarkJesus: So you had specific questions that were not wrong and over generalizations? |
| 19:08.48 | suppaman | bye again |
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| 19:08.54 | DarkJesus | I thought it had a good repository |
| 19:08.57 | valdyn | corona: oh your error is simple, you have an nvidia card that is not working with your X nv driver |
| 19:09.12 | yang | stew: i talked with the ISP admin, he told me that they dont block 25 |
| 19:09.23 | DarkJesus | Could I change the apt-get repository so that I get newer packages though it? |
| 19:09.23 | cwojack | Any outside email gets the message that postfix can't forward but the email is for a user on the server. |
| 19:09.45 | eeyore- | back to 'debian has old packages' again, i see |
| 19:09.49 | kspath | DarkJesus: Did you want to learn about Debian distribution? |
| 19:09.51 | tralala | DarkJesus: you can use backports.org |
| 19:09.52 | corona | valdyn: ok so i'll try the steps you suggested thank so much |
| 19:10.00 | valdyn | corona: just ask again here once you encounter new problems, if you do |
| 19:10.09 | corona | valdyn: sure will do |
| 19:10.25 | tralala | DarkJesus: or upgrade to testing or unstable. I wouldn't recommend it though. |
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| 19:10.37 | yang | stew: either i get connection refused or (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 19:10.53 | stew | yang: which ip of mine did you attempt to connect to? |
| 19:11.06 | valdyn | corona: its called 'recovery mode' |
| 19:11.27 | vinzbn | sorry for this question here, but is there any other channel than #shorewall where I can find good help for shorewall ? |
| 19:11.34 | DarkJesus | The how-to on backports.org is down |
| 19:11.38 | kspath | DarkJesus: Have you considered buying a decent book about Debian? "The Debian System, Concepts And Techniques" by Martin F. Krafft is a decent book. It might help with your many questions. |
| 19:11.40 | DarkJesus | Could someone help me out? |
| 19:11.42 | eeyore- | DarkJesus: it's like CJ/XJ, you know. just because it's old, doesn't mean it's no good. a decent XJ will whip your butt anyday if you had a newer, fancier, touareg or wanna-be X(3/5), in the appropriate setting |
| 19:11.55 | kspath | !tell DarkJesus about reference |
| 19:12.19 | kspath | !tell DarkJesus about backports |
| 19:12.20 | stew | DarkJesus: http://backports.org/instructions.html works for me |
| 19:12.31 | DarkJesus | Yeah, but a newer version of a package is usually better than the old one |
| 19:12.42 | sid | DarkJesus: Not if you want stability. |
| 19:12.48 | valdyn | DarkJesus: you dont need that howto, click the "Instructions" link |
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| 19:12.51 | sid | DarkJesus: Are you running debian GNU/Linux stable? |
| 19:12.57 | yang | Stew: #flood |
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| 19:13.04 | valdyn | DarkJesus: btw, that HOWTO just doesnt exist (yet), its not 'down' |
| 19:13.05 | corona | valdyn: ya i got confused with rescue |
| 19:13.34 | stew | yang: you have a firewall problem. i was seeing lots of email on both of those mail servers when you were trying, so i know the problem isn't on lmy end |
| 19:13.53 | stew | yang: if your isp says it isn't blocking the connection then either they lied, or their isp is blocking the connection |
| 19:14.08 | jonaskoelker | When dpkg was setting up x-ttcidfont-conf, I got the following message: http://jonaskoelker.homeunix.org/~jonas/error.txt |
| 19:14.29 | stew | yang: its not a problem with your exim. |
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| 19:14.42 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: why dont you have /usr/bin/mkfontdir ? |
| 19:14.53 | jonaskoelker | I don't know, but I have /usr/bin/X11/mkfontdir |
| 19:14.58 | eeyore- | yang: what's the problem? you can't get out to anybody's mail server, is that it? |
| 19:15.00 | corona | kspath: thankns |
| 19:15.11 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: are you mixing sid with sarge packages? |
| 19:15.17 | jonaskoelker | what I wondered about: is my system left in an inconsistent state? |
| 19:15.18 | kspath | corona: I am sorry I was not more help. |
| 19:15.18 | jonaskoelker | no |
| 19:15.18 | stew | eeyore-: he has found ONE smtp server that he can connect to, he gets connection refused for all others |
| 19:15.24 | eeyore- | yang: it's pretty simple to test actually, just telnet to port 25 on someone's running mail server :-) |
| 19:15.28 | yang | eeyore-: yes |
| 19:15.31 | corona | kspath: thats alright valdyn helped me out |
| 19:15.36 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: xfonts-utils: /usr/bin/mkfontdir\ |
| 19:15.36 | stew | eeyore-: yeah we've tried that, he gets connection refused... |
| 19:15.43 | yang | eeyore-: i telneted and it worked |
| 19:15.45 | jonaskoelker | well.. I have installed some sid packages in the past, but now I've gone to only etch |
| 19:15.48 | eeyore- | stew: well then, probably ISP filtered it out |
| 19:15.53 | stew | eeyore-: yup |
| 19:16.04 | eeyore- | yang: show me, telnet to 64.147.11.117 25 |
| 19:16.09 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: now _THAT_ is the reason of your issues maybe, you CANNOT just mix debian releases |
| 19:16.10 | jshoenberger | yang, www.dnsstuff.com See if your email site is blacklisted. |
| 19:16.29 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: and 'just going back' doesnt exist or work |
| 19:16.51 | stew | jshoenberger: its not that. he can't connect to my mail server at all. i'm not even getting a connection in order to check a blacklist |
| 19:16.53 | jonaskoelker | oh, okay. |
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| 19:17.26 | eeyore- | yang: i don't see you connecting to me, yet |
| 19:17.26 | jshoenberger | stew, he can still be blacklisted at some hop before your server |
| 19:17.26 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: apt-cache search xfonts-utils doesn't find anything |
| 19:17.42 | yang | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 19:17.43 | yang | eeyore-: |
| 19:17.52 | eeyore- | yang: well then, your ISP filtered you out, man |
| 19:17.52 | jshoenberger | ....:( |
| 19:17.55 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: your x-ttcidfont-conf is from sid, its asking for sid stuff probably |
| 19:18.02 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: you have a broken system right now |
| 19:18.09 | yang | eeyore-: but i can connect to kanin.arnes.si 25 |
| 19:18.17 | eeyore- | yang: so what? :-) |
| 19:18.19 | jshoenberger | eeyore-, I don't see why that answer makes sense. If he can get to one email server, it's not his ISP |
| 19:18.27 | eeyore- | jshoenberger: maybe he's mistaken? |
| 19:18.31 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: interesting, given that I have only stable and testing in my sources.list |
| 19:18.35 | jshoenberger | That's a possibility |
| 19:18.38 | stew | yang: how many hops is it between you and kanin.arnes.si? |
| 19:18.41 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: you should purge all sid packages or reinstall or let someone skilled do it for you |
| 19:18.47 | eeyore- | jshoenberger: or maybe it *was* true at one point in time? |
| 19:18.52 | jshoenberger | Or the net nutrality battles have begun! |
| 19:18.58 | jshoenberger | neutrality* |
| 19:18.58 | stew | jshoenberger: you shouldn't mix stable with non-stable |
| 19:19.06 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: your sources.list doesnt determine what you already HAVE installed |
| 19:19.18 | eeyore- | jshoenberger: 1 out of 'bucketloads' definitely falls within the realm of statistical noise :-) |
| 19:19.25 | RichiH | w/ 14 |
| 19:19.38 | jshoenberger | That's also a good answer, I assumed he tested that server within a day of today |
| 19:19.42 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: that said, mixing sarge with etch is stupid and possibly worse in itse effects |
| 19:19.45 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: that's obviously right--I just assumed debian wouldn't upgrade when the newer versions weren't in stable/testing, since it doesn't go fetch the package list |
| 19:19.49 | yang | stew: 6 hops to kanin and 20 to 64.147.11.117 |
| 19:20.08 | kspath | RichiH: Did you have a Debian question? |
| 19:20.16 | stew | yang: 6 is very close. probably at the same isp. |
| 19:20.19 | eeyore- | yang: are you able to connect to port 25 of kanin.arnes.si *now*? |
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| 19:20.44 | yang | 220 postfix.arnes.si ESMTP Postfix |
| 19:20.45 | tralala | RichiH: eh? |
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| 19:21.17 | RichiH | i wanted to switch windows |
| 19:21.17 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: once upon a time someone installed sid packages. Doesn't matter how or why, these packages need to go away |
| 19:21.23 | eeyore- | yang: i still think you're "lucky" to get to that machine, for one reason or another (maybe the ISP's involved just like each other so much) |
| 19:21.23 | stew | eeyore-: that's the ONLY server he can seem to connect to. since its only 6 hops, i'm guessing its at the same isp and therefore for some reason not getting filtered |
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| 19:21.31 | stew | RichiH: /help window :P |
| 19:21.33 | eeyore- | stew: yeah, likely |
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| 19:21.38 | RichiH | stew: ah, thanks! :) |
| 19:21.46 | jelly | stew, yang: arnes.si and amis.net are in the same country and probably have peering, hence the low hop count |
| 19:21.58 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: okay. How do I go about identifying them? |
| 19:22.13 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: no idea |
| 19:22.45 | yang | i still think its exim problem |
| 19:22.46 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: for this particular issue maybe 'apt-get remove --purge x-ttcidfont-conf && apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf" |
| 19:22.59 | stew | yang: if it were an exim problem, telnet would be working |
| 19:23.23 | yang | then i should use my ISPs mail server |
| 19:23.25 | kspath | yang: You should go to #exim in that case. Better yet. Read exim documentation. |
| 19:23.26 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: yeah, I just removed it. However, it wouldn't make sense to install it again straight away, since there still is no /usr/bin/mkfontdir |
| 19:23.31 | eeyore- | yang: no, it's *NOT* exim problem :-) |
| 19:23.41 | yang | anyone knows how to set gnupg to use another mail server? |
| 19:23.55 | kspath | eeyore-: Can we agree that it is NOT a debian problem? |
| 19:23.57 | stew | yang: if you have a smarthost at you isp you can use, then yes, you should probably be using that, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:23.59 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: why would a testing package require that file? |
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| 19:24.05 | eeyore- | stew: i noticed Cox recently started to filter out my outbound port 25 :-7 |
| 19:24.12 | eeyore- | stew: it's making me a little upset ... |
| 19:24.20 | eeyore- | kspath: beyond doubt :-) |
| 19:24.22 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: don't know. bug? short on dependencies? |
| 19:24.32 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: or maybe it just simple does not |
| 19:24.40 | valdyn | !info x-ttcidfont-conf etch |
| 19:24.41 | valdyn | !info x-ttcidfont-conf sid |
| 19:25.09 | stew | eeyore-: sucky for you. its probably good for lots of other poeple though. its too bad that there's no way to tell cable companies "but i actually know what i'm doing thanks" |
| 19:25.47 | sid | How can I do a switch user...I am running gdm/ion3...and I want to switch to gnome(my gf wants gnome)....so How can I switch to gnome and save what I have in ion3? |
| 19:26.08 | blondie | how can I see what process is listening on a port? |
| 19:26.39 | kspath | blondie: netstat fuser lsof ... |
| 19:26.52 | valdyn | sid: you want to switch to gnome without logging out? |
| 19:26.53 | stew | blondie: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:26.58 | beered | I have xscreensaver in my .xsession. It works OK, but when I restart the computer I get annoying 'xcreen saver banner' page for 3-4 secconds. Is there any way to get rid of that? |
| 19:27.00 | eeyore- | blondie: netstat, 'man netstat' |
| 19:27.42 | stew | sid: why don't you just give her her own login? |
| 19:27.55 | eeyore- | that'd be the sane way to go (own login) |
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| 19:28.12 | seb- | how downgrade udev? |
| 19:28.19 | seb- | apt-get install udev/stable? |
| 19:28.20 | pipeline | seb-: in a nutshell, you don't. |
| 19:28.22 | eeyore- | even better, get her a computer |
| 19:28.23 | valdyn | seb-: dpkg -i older.deb |
| 19:28.46 | seb- | pipeline: wifi no workie with new kernel so i'm thinking of going back to old kernel for wifi |
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| 19:28.57 | eeyore- | seb-: card? |
| 19:29.10 | seb- | eeyore: prism 2.x card...forget name |
| 19:29.18 | seb- | eeyore: ibm thinkpad laptop |
| 19:29.21 | eeyore- | seb-: really? softmac? |
| 19:29.27 | valdyn | isnt that in mainline kernels already? |
| 19:29.29 | pipeline | seb-: Go back to 2.6.8, and use devfs + devfsd, then :P |
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| 19:29.52 | valdyn | seb-: thinkpads have various wifi adapters.. |
| 19:29.55 | eeyore- | seb-: odd, i have prism pcmcia/pci working in 2.6 if you have softmac, though, you'll need the newer driver |
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| 19:30.07 | seb- | valdyn: yes....hostap shows up when i do lsmod but dhclient eth0 doesn't work like it did in sarge |
| 19:30.21 | eeyore- | (and i haven't the faintest clue how to get the softmac driver working, so ...) |
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| 19:30.38 | sid | stew: She has her own login |
| 19:30.54 | davidh | Hi |
| 19:30.58 | seb- | valdyn: what extra step needed after see wifi module in lsmod output? |
| 19:31.02 | sid | valdyn: I want to switch to gnome without closing my windows in ion3(firefox/irssi) |
| 19:31.23 | valdyn | sid: go to a console, log in as your gf, run startx -- :1 |
| 19:31.32 | eeyore- | sid: kill your window manager, start gnome-session? |
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| 19:31.43 | jonaskoelker | okay.. so let me turn my above question open: how do I identify sid packages? |
| 19:31.50 | valdyn | sid: that would be easier if the first to log in had gnome running since gnome has an applet doing that |
| 19:31.56 | beered | Is there a way to restart Xsession without losing all the work and open irc chans? |
| 19:32.07 | davidh | I just installed debian on my dell PC. After machine tried to shutdown, power remains on. Any idea? |
| 19:32.11 | seb- | beered: doubt it |
| 19:32.14 | eeyore- | beered: restart an X session? no |
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| 19:32.29 | valdyn | sid: your gf probably wants 'exec /usr/bin/gnome-session' in her ~/.xsession file |
| 19:32.32 | jonaskoelker | beered: there's a half-assed way of doing it: running all your (important) stuff in screen |
| 19:32.33 | eeyore- | davidh: enable ACPI/APM? |
| 19:32.38 | seb- | davidh: power management problems....add this to boot kernel switch.. |
| 19:32.41 | nse | is there a way to play .mpc files with sox? apt-cache search sox mpc gives null output |
| 19:32.47 | seb- | davidh: acpi=on apm=off |
| 19:33.14 | valdyn | nse: use mplayer ? |
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| 19:33.24 | beered | jonaskoelker: nice idea. |
| 19:33.26 | davidh | where do I enable acpi? |
| 19:33.40 | davidh | seb? |
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| 19:33.56 | valdyn | davidh: maybe 'modprobe acpi' |
| 19:34.18 | nse | valdyn: i don't. i've heard that it is not free according to debian policy. you mean that sox can't play mpc anyhow? |
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| 19:34.50 | yang | Stew: ok you received my mesage now |
| 19:35.16 | valdyn | nse: mplayer isnt free because one country decided to have funny laws, its free as per the producers definition |
| 19:35.49 | stew | yang: well you got greylisted, but yeah, you at least are talking to my server now |
| 19:36.06 | nse | valdyn: which country? |
| 19:36.08 | stew | yang: i should actually get the message in 5 minutes or so |
| 19:36.14 | valdyn | nse: usa |
| 19:36.29 | beered | Anyone knows how to disable the stupid stupid xscreensaver banner/ad when its started? I can't find anything in .xscreensaver that point to it. |
| 19:36.59 | valdyn | nse: but anyway there's xmms too or plenty other players, im not sure sox can play much at all, particularily not lossy audio codecs iirc |
| 19:37.00 | Ironhand | can anyone tell me how long it would normally take an NFS read (mounted with "hard" option) to time out? |
| 19:37.13 | beered | oh, never mind. I found it! :-) |
| 19:37.15 | Gathond | Ironhand: until the server comes back:) |
| 19:37.17 | yang | Stew: ISP blocks |
| 19:37.38 | yang | Stew: works now fine with the ISP smtp server |
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| 19:38.12 | Ironhand | Gathond: are you sure there's no other timeout? I'm experiencing what it likely some kernel/nfs bug and although the servers are online, the reads are hanging |
| 19:38.18 | Ironhand | *is |
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| 19:38.53 | nse | valdyn: i usually use xmms to play audio, but this time i am almost out of ram so i tried to run a job to play my grateful dead mpcs |
| 19:38.57 | Gathond | Ironhand: yes, there is no timeout |
| 19:39.17 | Gathond | Ironhand: at least if the server does not respond there is none |
| 19:39.22 | nse | is run the past of run? |
| 19:39.33 | valdyn | nse: there should be a few command line players suitable for that job, just not sox, sox is for plain samples |
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| 19:40.04 | valdyn | nse: mpc123 - Command-line Musepack audio player |
| 19:40.26 | nse | valdyn: thank you! |
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| 19:40.30 | Ironhand | Gathond: ok, thx for the info... guess that means it's bye bye uptime :'-( |
| 19:40.38 | valdyn | nse: or moc - ncurses based console audio player |
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| 19:40.59 | Gathond | Ironhand: either that or accept the processes are hanging around, or meke the NFS server respond again |
| 19:41.05 | tarzeau | guys i've got a great script! |
| 19:41.14 | sid | tarzeau: What does it do? |
| 19:41.16 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 19:41.25 | tarzeau | sid: convert an ubuntu installation into debian gnu/linux sid |
| 19:41.35 | sid | tarzeau: haha |
| 19:41.37 | valdyn | tarzeau: hah |
| 19:41.55 | tarzeau | some moron installed ubuntu on this computer here |
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| 19:42.29 | Ironhand | Gathond: the nfs servers are working perfectly, it's the client that's messed up... and new mounts have the same issue (yes I *can* still mount new NFS filesystems, just not read/write to them...) |
| 19:42.35 | stew | tarzeau: sounds like a good choice for a moron :P |
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| 19:42.47 | Gathond | Ironhand: ok, strange |
| 19:43.14 | tarzeau | stew: i can't see that brown. my eyes |
| 19:43.20 | davidh | I installed font-Chinese packages by aptitude. Still not able to view Chinese web pages. Any idea? |
| 19:43.42 | quitte | tarzeau: that's great. now get the script in ubuntu main. |
| 19:43.46 | Ironhand | Gathond: no kidding... I'm suspecting this is some odd kernel bug... for the record, running 2.4.27 with debian sarge patches |
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| 19:44.28 | valdyn | davidh: maybe you need to ttf-arphic* packages |
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| 19:46.12 | startxwhite | i'm a NEWBIE running debian gnu/linux sarge 2.6.8-3 on a laptop P133 80MB RAM and everything work OK except the wireless cards. whenever i insert a card in the pcmcia slots i get : cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power |
| 19:46.12 | jade | how do i find all users on the system owned by a specific user? |
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| 19:46.38 | valdyn | jade: if you mean files, man find |
| 19:46.57 | agney | jade, find / -user <name> |
| 19:46.59 | startxwhite | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/powerbugs.html has NO newbie friendly solution for sarge |
| 19:47.06 | quitte | startxwhite: does the pcmcia card have a golden plate where you plug it in? |
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| 19:48.03 | startxwhite | <quitte> golden plate? i see none |
| 19:48.20 | typewriter | how do i limit the processes seen by users to only the ones they own? |
| 19:48.48 | quitte | startxwhite: ok. then that's not the problem. sorry can't help you |
| 19:49.28 | valdyn | typewriter: why would you do that? |
| 19:49.30 | FabParma | i'd need to set Samba for give full control(read/write/execute) to everyone and guest. is it possible? |
| 19:49.37 | jade | thanks |
| 19:49.40 | typewriter | valdyn: security? |
| 19:49.51 | valdyn | typewriter: hardly |
| 19:49.55 | typewriter | why would you want your regular users seeing all the process that are running |
| 19:50.40 | typewriter | its information they dont need to know |
| 19:51.00 | valdyn | typewriter: a potential perpetrator wouldnt need to look for processes but for their potential holes, like open ports |
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| 19:51.13 | typewriter | uhhhhhhhh.... |
| 19:51.21 | typewriter | local exploits |
| 19:51.31 | typewriter | + privacy |
| 19:51.59 | stew | typewriter: you will need to patch the kernel if you want to do that, grsec pataches might provide that functionality, but i'm not sure |
| 19:51.59 | valdyn | !selinux |
| 19:52.00 | dpkg | somebody said selinux was NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 19:52.13 | typewriter | besides theres not real argument for NOT to do it. |
| 19:52.17 | valdyn | !grsec |
| 19:52.21 | valdyn | !grsecurity |
| 19:52.22 | dpkg | it has been said that grsecurity is http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1551 |
| 19:52.31 | stew | typewriter: the argument not to do it is that the linux kernel doesn't support it by default |
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| 19:52.45 | typewriter | yea, i am not a linux user normally |
| 19:52.49 | typewriter | on freebsd it's very easy |
| 19:52.55 | likewise | anyone here involved with ftp.armeb.net ? |
| 19:52.57 | stew | !grsec is <reply>see grsecurity |
| 19:52.57 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 19:53.05 | valdyn | typewriter: adding complexity for no real benefit is never just good |
| 19:53.07 | Ronin | the unbootable part is a good reason not to do it as well |
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| 19:53.40 | typewriter | well like i said i am coming from freebsd, where all it took was to edit 1 line |
| 19:55.12 | kspath | typewriter: Do you know how to use permissions, ownership, tcp wrappers, jail, chroot, numerous other features? Security is layers. Worry about all the simplest things first. |
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| 19:56.14 | typewriter | yes i am already doing all that |
| 19:56.27 | kspath | typewriter: Does my asking you a question imply that I think any other additional security is not useful? No. |
| 19:56.29 | typewriter | except i dont do any hardcore permissions |
| 19:56.58 | typewriter | because it might complicate things when it comes to dist-upgrades |
| 19:57.24 | kspath | typewriter: What is most important? Security? Usability? |
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| 19:57.30 | typewriter | security |
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| 19:57.44 | typewriter | but it's just a headache |
| 19:57.51 | kspath | typewriter: Did you audit all code running on your system(s)? |
| 19:57.52 | valdyn | power switch does that job |
| 19:58.11 | typewriter | currently i only run defaults, like syslog |
| 19:58.14 | kspath | typewriter: There is/are limit(s) to security. |
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| 19:58.15 | typewriter | i have no services running |
| 19:58.54 | psutton | help |
| 19:58.55 | typewriter | which is why i am not too worried about remote exploits |
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| 19:58.57 | typewriter | just local |
| 19:59.01 | kspath | typewriter: What is a service? Only things that can run out of inetd or run as a standalone daemon? |
| 19:59.12 | psutton | just done apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:59.24 | kspath | psutton: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:59.25 | psutton | adn now I get xinit: server error and X won't start can someone please help |
| 19:59.37 | piper69 | how can i get info about iptables |
| 19:59.49 | quitte | piper69: info iptables |
| 19:59.51 | valdyn | piper69: http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 19:59.54 | kspath | psutton: You were running sarge/stable? What did you dist-upgrade to? |
| 20:00.05 | psutton | i am running sid |
| 20:00.17 | psutton | just makeing sure I have the updated packages |
| 20:00.18 | stew | typewriter: look at grsecurity, i think it will do what you are looking for, and there is a kernel-patch-grsecurity2 pacakge which provides the patch |
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| 20:00.33 | typewriter | oh ok, sweet |
| 20:00.34 | eeyore- | why not just rename 'ps' to something else? :-) |
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| 20:00.53 | stew | eeyore-: and mv /proc /hiddenproc, right :) |
| 20:00.56 | kspath | eeyore-: You "can" if you want to enough. |
| 20:00.56 | webmonkey | hi guys |
| 20:01.03 | nse | psutton: you should not run sid. it would be a better choice to go back testing |
| 20:01.13 | stew | !debwiki psutton Xorg69To7 |
| 20:01.14 | dpkg | psutton: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 20:01.16 | psutton | i am running kanotix which is based on sid |
| 20:01.25 | psutton | it works fine normally |
| 20:01.28 | stew | psutton: ask in #kanotix then, you are in the wrong channel |
| 20:01.33 | psutton | ok |
| 20:01.38 | eeyore- | kspath: it's always the simplest solution :-) |
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| 20:01.52 | eeyore- | kspath: probably breaks a heck of a lot of stuff, though |
| 20:02.01 | typewriter | that is weird, is this right? i want to get sarge-r2 on this machine, i update and run dist-upgrade, and all it tells me is i need to install 'libsqlite0' |
| 20:02.03 | webmonkey | anyone know how to use the --exclude-form with tar? Im having trouble finding any info on this, need to know what format the file contents should take? |
| 20:02.05 | kspath | eeyore-: Not if you want to do it enough. |
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| 20:02.28 | eeyore- | kspath: i'd probably just unpack the procps source, add one-line check to it. |
| 20:02.41 | kspath | eeyore-: If someone has the time/resources to audit all code they might have the resources to alter anything/everything but than it is not Debian anymore. |
| 20:02.49 | stew | typewriter: not necessarily, sarge isn't updated very often |
| 20:03.09 | daqqal | hey guys, anyone have problems with growisofs? i can't burn anymore and can't understand why, i'm using growisofs 6.1 and mkisofs 2.01, anyone using those versions are working fine for them? |
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| 20:03.32 | tralala | typewriter: unless you have (almost) all the debian pakages install you won't have a lot of upgrades |
| 20:03.36 | valdyn | daqqal: what is the error message? |
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| 20:03.42 | stew | daqqal: /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:03.43 | tralala | installed |
| 20:03.53 | typewriter | yea... i dont understand why i need to install libsqlite though... |
| 20:03.56 | daqqal | :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=05h]: Wrong medium type |
| 20:04.00 | typewriter | because its not an upgrade, its an install |
| 20:04.02 | jelly | stew, typewriter: yes, but changes in deps in stable... are a nono |
| 20:04.13 | Fluten | i am watching a movie in mplayer, and my everything suddenly freezes, but i can still move my mouse. i can't even log into ssh. what might be wrong? |
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| 20:04.31 | kspath | eeyore-: All the source is available so someone can build a "linux" from scratch out of pieces but in that case it is "their linux" and only they know what it is or is not. |
| 20:04.42 | daqqal | send it to dpkg |
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| 20:04.55 | daqqal | is dpkg a pastebin ? |
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| 20:05.08 | kspath | !tell daqqal about paste |
| 20:05.25 | valdyn | daqqal: wrong medium or broken cd driver? |
| 20:05.26 | destr0 | does www-data need to be given a shell by default? or can I set that to /bin/false |
| 20:05.30 | valdyn | daqqal: wrong medium or broken cd drive? |
| 20:05.32 | kspath | !tell daqqal about dpkg |
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| 20:06.14 | eeyore- | typewriter: welcome to debian compromises ... sometimes a package will require something that, to you, is bogus |
| 20:06.18 | valdyn | destr0: does it matter? |
| 20:06.45 | kspath | typewriter: Being security minded means you already know to barely install anything. |
| 20:06.45 | eeyore- | hmph. cvs, cannot get working directory. oy. have to track this one down |
| 20:06.45 | destr0 | valdyn: isn't it more secure if it has no shell access? |
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| 20:06.49 | daqqal | valdyn: the drive works fine in another machine, and even on debian it reads fine, and burns cd's fine, not dvd's |
| 20:06.58 | valdyn | destr0: no |
| 20:07.12 | piper69 | stew: can you help me with iptables please |
| 20:07.12 | typewriter | is it possible to see if i already an upgraded to 3.1-r2? |
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| 20:07.26 | typewriter | or is sarge.. sarge |
| 20:07.32 | DevilChaos | hi all |
| 20:07.58 | stew | piper69: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 20:08.06 | daqqal | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2529 |
| 20:08.14 | matej_ | typewriter: why do you think, you didn't? Just run aptitude/apt-get update;upgrade and you are all et. |
| 20:08.15 | kspath | typewriter: If you are really concerned about security a base install of any distribution is not wise assuming you have the resources to build your own and alter code based on known security issues. |
| 20:09.05 | destr0 | I didn't know if there was a standard for debian, since some of the user accounts that get created by packages have /bin/false set as their shell and some don't |
| 20:09.24 | DevilChaos | devilchaos vs debian-amd64 FIGHT! |
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| 20:09.37 | DevilChaos | devil 0 amd64 2 |
| 20:09.48 | dondelelcaro | ~/sb end |
| 20:09.52 | DevilChaos | :( |
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| 20:11.06 | hjubal | hi |
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| 20:11.59 | DevilChaos | hi |
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| 20:14.00 | valdyn | destr0: i dont know what the standard is if there's any , but www-data gets a * as password in /etc/shadow and thus cant be logging in |
| 20:14.06 | skrewz | ... Hvis de da har en _ideologi_. |
| 20:14.14 | skrewz | Sorry. :( |
| 20:14.18 | eeyore- | destr0: chances are very good that those 'package accounts' can't be logged in |
| 20:14.45 | stew | i actually find myself doing "su - www-data" often |
| 20:14.45 | davidh | When my dell machine shutdown, power remains on. What to do? |
| 20:15.02 | valdyn | daqqal: modprobe acpi, modprobe apm, then try again |
| 20:15.14 | pipeline | davidh: Try disabling ACPI and enabling APM ("acpi=off, apm=on" on the kernel arguments) |
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| 20:15.23 | pipeline | davidh: or, failing that, switch the two (apm=off, acpi=on...) |
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| 20:15.49 | kspath | davidh: Fix it? |
| 20:16.11 | corona | valdyn: hi i tried the changes you suggested but it still does the same thing- goes blank and hangs |
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| 20:16.27 | valdyn | corona: you didnt apt-get remove kdm gdm xdm ? |
| 20:16.39 | dondelelcaro | davidh: have you restarted firefox since then? |
| 20:16.42 | valdyn | !drxx corona |
| 20:16.42 | dpkg | corona: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:16.52 | corona | valdyn: this is what i did : removed xdm (i dont have gdm and kdm installed) |
| 20:16.53 | valdyn | corona: or didnt follow what dpkg said here precisely? |
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| 20:17.32 | valdyn | corona: now you're confusing me, if X wont start then X cant blank your screen |
| 20:17.44 | corona | valdyn: after that i ran dkpg -recomfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:17.51 | davidh | pipeline, how do I diable/enable the kernel arguments? |
| 20:17.55 | valdyn | corona: its dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:18.18 | pipeline | davidh: edit /boot/grub/menu.list ; look for a line starting with "## kopt=" |
| 20:18.22 | corona | ya sorry that what i did..t gave me a screen to configure grpahics card and other stuff |
| 20:18.25 | valdyn | corona: maybe you hand edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, look at what dpkg said about that |
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| 20:18.33 | pipeline | davidh: then run update-grub or grub-update or something like that. |
| 20:18.35 | corona | valdyn: actually i did |
| 20:18.43 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 20:18.44 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:19.00 | corona | valdyn: i did that prior to your suggestions |
| 20:19.19 | valdyn | corona: did what? |
| 20:19.47 | corona | valdyn: and now when i check it the xfree86config-4 is still the same as it was prior to all your followed suggestions |
| 20:19.51 | destr0 | in shadow what is ! as opposed to * |
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| 20:20.13 | corona | valdyn: i changed the xfreeconfig86-4 |
| 20:20.15 | valdyn | corona: alright, see what dpkg said, or manually set your video driver to vesa |
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| 20:20.40 | corona | valdyn: by changing the xfreeconfig? |
| 20:21.07 | valdyn | corona: yea, but please be precise with names so i know for sure what you're talking about |
| 20:21.40 | corona | valdyn: sorry about that i meant XF86Config-4 |
| 20:21.51 | corona | valdyn: is that the right file? |
| 20:21.56 | valdyn | corona: yep |
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| 20:22.14 | corona | valdyn: if i paste it will you look at it? please |
| 20:22.23 | valdyn | corona: change nv to vesa, but be aware that you can easier make silly mistakes if you dont use dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:22.33 | davidh | pipeline, do I "kopt=acpi=on" |
| 20:22.35 | corona | valdyn: ok |
| 20:22.41 | valdyn | corona: change 'nv' to 'vesa', not more to that |
| 20:22.46 | pipeline | davidh: well, the apm=off is important, too |
| 20:22.57 | corona | valdyn: in quotes |
| 20:23.03 | dbe | nv=nvidious |
| 20:23.06 | corona | valdyn: i meant "vesa" |
| 20:23.18 | valdyn | corona: uh, leave quotes as they are |
| 20:23.25 | corona | valdyn: ok |
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| 20:23.47 | valdyn | corona: Driver "nvidia" |
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| 20:23.58 | valdyn | corona: ops, that should be "vesa" for you |
| 20:24.45 | corona | it was "nv" i changed it to "vesa" |
| 20:25.01 | corona | valdyn: ok will boot and try |
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| 20:26.29 | Unetixs | I need to mount a temporary filesystem on RAM because my main hard disk is flash ROM and I need to make a large number of temporary files and delete them temporarily. I can't do a /mnt none -rw /mnt/ramdrive -t tmpfs because I get the error: no such file or directory. |
| 20:26.43 | Unetixs | anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 20:27.24 | destr0 | I want to get a set of standard utilities (ps, netstat, etc.. ) setup in an isolated environment on a usb flashdrive. any of you guys know of any projects available that already have something like that prebuilt/setup? |
| 20:27.29 | valdyn | Unetixs: mount -t tmpfs none /mnt/ramdrive |
| 20:27.46 | webmonkey | hi |
| 20:27.48 | webmonkey | anyone know how to use the --exclude-form with tar? Im having trouble finding any info on this, need to know what format the file contents should take? |
| 20:28.26 | valdyn | Unetixs: specifing options like 'rw' would be done "-o rw" ( but rw is default anyway ) |
| 20:28.51 | valdyn | webmonkey: newline seperated files / directories |
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| 20:28.57 | turi | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Module is wrong version |
| 20:28.57 | turi | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 20:29.13 | turi | i keep getting that follow error on debian 3.1 64 bit |
| 20:29.29 | turi | i have no idea why, i've been all over google, and my kernel and iptables version are compatible |
| 20:29.33 | turi | can anyone please help? |
| 20:30.03 | webmonkey | valdyn: thank you kindly sir :) |
| 20:30.03 | dondelelcaro | webmonkey: it follows the same format as --exclude, it' sjust htat instead of mulitple --esclude, you use --exclude-from |
| 20:30.24 | webmonkey | woohoo |
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| 20:31.54 | Unetixs | valdyn: I get the same error |
| 20:32.07 | Unetixs | valdyn: those two commands are functionally equivalent |
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| 20:33.08 | simmerz | running sarge, and fetchmail keeps sending me reports saying that no mailservers have been specified, despite collecting mail using /etc/fetchmailrc |
| 20:33.14 | Unetixs | i can do the same thing except "ramfs" instead of "tmpfs" but that's useless because it gets cleared constantly |
| 20:33.30 | Unetixs | am I doing it wrong? |
| 20:33.36 | turi | can anyone help me? |
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| 20:34.01 | Unetixs | do you have an MTA turi? |
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| 20:34.38 | simmerz | what file is fetchmail looking for? is it still looking for ~/.fetchmailrc despite working from /etc/fetchmailrc? |
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| 20:35.44 | gnufan | simmerz: sounds plausible, what happens if you rename .fetchmailrc -- |
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| 20:36.15 | blondie | asdreply[Bapply first |
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| 20:36.43 | simmerz | gnufan: i don't have a .fetchmailrc. only /etc/fetchmailrc |
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| 20:37.05 | z421 | hello |
| 20:37.52 | gnufan | simmerz: ~root/.fetchmailrc ? |
| 20:38.11 | simmerz | nope |
| 20:38.12 | turi | Unetixs MTA ? |
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| 20:39.00 | kspath | !tell turi about MTA |
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| 20:40.24 | simmerz | gnufan: doesn't exist |
| 20:40.39 | turi | yeah i know about it |
| 20:40.46 | turi | what about it Unetixs ? |
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| 20:43.43 | buu | Fuck. |
| 20:43.48 | kspath | turi: You can try #debian-amd64 as well. |
| 20:43.52 | buu | How do I make wine let go of my cd drive? |
| 20:44.13 | kspath | buu: #wine |
| 20:44.17 | buu | Good point |
| 20:44.25 | buu | kspath: Too bad it's empty. |
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| 20:45.15 | RichiH | buu: heh |
| 20:45.16 | RichiH | wine |
| 20:45.36 | kspath | buu: I know. People do not hang out in channels because no one else does. Very few people want to build a community. Most people just want to use or abuse a community. |
| 20:45.50 | buu | Excellent. 'wine faq' takes me to microsoft.com |
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| 20:46.16 | buu | kspath: If I hang out in any more channels I'm going to hit freenode's limit! |
| 20:46.26 | tralala | buu: try winehq.com |
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| 20:46.32 | kspath | buu: I already hit that limit several times and gave up. |
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| 20:46.45 | stew | buu: #winehq is the channel you are looking for |
| 20:46.51 | davidh | pipeline, are you there |
| 20:47.08 | kspath | !tell buu about wine |
| 20:47.24 | kspath | buu: my fault. I was too ignorant to look for/at #wine. |
| 20:47.30 | dondelelcaro | buu: lsof, and see what is actoually using the cdrom drive, then kill it off. |
| 20:47.33 | jade | what is the difference between /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- ? |
| 20:47.34 | mernil | gretings fellow debians :-) i'm really a slacker.. but im banned from that channel.. rumors is that debians has a sence of humour :) |
| 20:47.42 | dondelelcaro | jade: the second is a backup of /etc/passwd |
| 20:47.57 | jade | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 20:48.24 | buu | dondelelcaro: Wine is using =[ |
| 20:48.34 | dondelelcaro | buu: so kill wine? |
| 20:48.40 | buu | dondelelcaro: I can't! |
| 20:48.44 | buu | dondelelcaro: It's in the middle of an install. |
| 20:48.47 | dondelelcaro | buu: is it in D or something? |
| 20:48.50 | buu | But I need to insert a second disk. |
| 20:48.59 | dondelelcaro | buu: oh. |
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| 20:49.11 | kspath | I wonder why the /etc/passwd- question keeps coming up. Training? Certs? Someone writing an article for a website or periodical? |
| 20:49.13 | dondelelcaro | and you can't unmount it or eject it I take it |
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| 20:49.20 | mernil | but now to my question that got me banned.. what do you call that bag that holds the balls? Is there an english slang for it? |
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| 20:49.49 | mernil | im trying to learn english :-| |
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| 20:50.35 | tralala | oh no! the poor kid was only trying to learn some english! |
| 20:50.43 | kspath | tralala: yeah right. |
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| 20:50.54 | backz | Hi, when I'm trying to do dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/image.iso in DVD image, or convert a mp3 file to .wav, the computer shut down and stay turned off. I'm using raid1 with sata, when I boot it again, sda1 from md0 is out of data and mdadm is copying this data... what is the problem? hardware? hard-disk? memory? kernel? =P |
| 20:51.02 | blondie | if I connect to a vpn server using "pppd call" should I have to add a route manually after doing so in order to use it? |
| 20:51.18 | bwlang | tralala: with the grammar of a native speaker ;) |
| 20:51.32 | tralala | blondie: not if you read the pppd manual |
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| 20:51.55 | streuner | swedish people learn very well english |
| 20:52.07 | tralala | bwlang: oh, I failed to notice that :) |
| 20:52.12 | bwlang | backz: nobody can answer that question... could be a disk controller problem, could be a memory problem, could be a heat problem - it's not liketly to be a debian problem. |
| 20:53.16 | davidh | how to set apci=off? |
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| 20:53.30 | streuner | davidh: via kernel-parameters |
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| 20:53.46 | davidh | could you tell me how, streuner |
| 20:53.54 | streuner | davidh: well, in grub or lilo |
| 20:53.57 | bwlang | davidh: on the kernel boot prompt - you can find the docs for that in the linux source... |
| 20:54.08 | backz | bwlang, how to debug this? =P |
| 20:54.31 | blondie | tralala: I have read the manual |
| 20:54.40 | corona | valdyn: hi it still does not work! i noticed now that it goes blank just when it indicates starting up gdm or xdm |
| 20:55.07 | tralala | blondie: so what did you find there about routes? |
| 20:55.12 | blondie | I can use "defaultroute" and "replacedefaultroute" options but it replaces it with: "default * 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0" which doesn't look right to me |
| 20:55.18 | blondie | (and doesn't work) |
| 20:55.19 | buu | (If anyone cares the answer was wine eject) |
| 20:55.47 | streuner | swedish people don't syncron american/english movies, they used to learn via movies as well... |
| 20:55.58 | tralala | blondie: do you get an IP address assigned by pppd? |
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| 20:56.13 | simmerz | fetchmail is running using fetchmail -f /etc/fetchmailrc but it seems like it is trying to find .fetchmailrc files in two other users home directories. any reason why it would do this? |
| 20:56.13 | blondie | yes |
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| 20:56.58 | blondie | I don't really want it to be the default route anyway, just to a certain network (129.12.*) |
| 20:57.21 | Flimzy | Are there any useful web-based personal finance software packages available for Linux? |
| 20:57.40 | cureless | Flimzy: web based? |
| 20:57.43 | tralala | blondie: then you need to add it manually I think |
| 20:57.45 | Flimzy | cureless: aye |
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| 20:58.05 | cureless | Flimzy: hmm, dunno, try apt-cache search or freshmeat. |
| 20:58.25 | Flimzy | cureless: Indeed... doing both. But neither of those tell you how useful a package is. |
| 20:58.50 | blondie | tralala: that's what I tried -- "route add -net 129.12.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 129.12.208.35" (129.12.208.35 being my VPN IP) but if I try accessing a 129.12.* IP it doesn't get anywhere |
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| 20:59.19 | cureless | Flimzy: sort of, freshmeat will give you a measure of how many people use it, etc. and you can always check the popularity of a debian package. |
| 20:59.25 | davidh | when my desktop boots, it says shpchp can't be loaded |
| 20:59.49 | davidh | also it says pciehp can't be loaded |
| 21:00.02 | davidh | then input failed |
| 21:00.16 | davidh | I built it using netinstall |
| 21:00.20 | davidh | CD |
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| 21:00.48 | davidh | I am able to boot the machine up. |
| 21:00.58 | davidh | But booting message is annoying |
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| 21:02.42 | webmonkey | valdyn: is it necessary to quote the full sys path for dir's to be excluded in tar --exclude-from file? |
| 21:03.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:03.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:03.43 | blondie | wtf: |
| 21:03.45 | blondie | Connect time 2.5 minutes. |
| 21:03.45 | blondie | Sent 1153263747 bytes, received 170 bytes. |
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| 21:03.53 | blondie | what complete nonsense |
| 21:04.15 | blondie | sending over a gigabyte in 2.5 minutes over ADSL |
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| 21:04.32 | simeon | what is a good IP accounting tool? |
| 21:04.49 | kspath | blondie: A 2.5 GB file of all 1s or all 0s or the like? |
| 21:04.50 | cureless | simeon: what is IP accounting? |
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| 21:05.09 | blondie | kspath: I don't think so, all I tried was connecting using ssh and pinging |
| 21:05.12 | kspath | blondie: Mostly "empty"? mostly compressable data? |
| 21:05.27 | row | If I want a VDS like setup in debian where kernels are separate and I need to be able to oversubscribe resources whats the best option? |
| 21:05.36 | simeon | cureless: I need something to persist byte counters for across reboots and allow me to view monthly usage... |
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| 21:05.49 | blondie | isn't simeon an old email client? |
| 21:05.54 | EdLin | davidh: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 21:05.59 | cureless | simeon: so to keep track of traffic? |
| 21:06.00 | webmonkey | hi |
| 21:06.07 | kspath | blondie: You normally get 150-160Kbps downstream? |
| 21:06.20 | webmonkey | how to quote file extensions/wildcard in --exclude-from file when using tar? |
| 21:06.32 | blondie | kspath: more than that, why? |
| 21:06.45 | simeon | cureless: yes, basically I have a 500MB per month cap on my cellphone contract, and I want to keep track of how much I've used |
| 21:06.55 | cureless | simeon: try ntop |
| 21:07.02 | kspath | blondie: Do you normally see about 25-35Kbps pushing data upstream? |
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| 21:07.18 | blondie | perhaps |
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| 21:07.35 | simeon | cureless: I'm running it now... does ntop handle interface up/down and address changes well? |
| 21:07.51 | kspath | blondie: It could be whatever interface is not getting responses but rather another interface is. |
| 21:08.21 | blondie | this PC has a gigabit connection to the network shrug |
| 21:08.33 | kspath | blondie: I do not know what/how you/it is doing that but just a vague idea. |
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| 21:08.42 | cureless | simeon: I don't know about address changes, you can always just add them up, no? But interface up/downs should work with the newer versions. |
| 21:08.56 | blondie | that's what pppd said when it disconnected my vpn connection for no apparent reason |
| 21:08.57 | davidh | EdLin, what do you mean? I need some help |
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| 21:09.28 | kspath | blondie: vpn disconnected because it was not really connected? timed out? |
| 21:09.32 | bjohnson | need another serial port on an old laptop to be used with minicom. Is it possible to use a ps2-USB adapter from a mouse and a USB-9pin serial adapter? |
| 21:09.44 | blondie | it was connected afaict |
| 21:09.46 | EdLin | davidh: edit the file I mentioned |
| 21:10.03 | FFAMax | hi people... I am Max, have small problem... i try download any file from any host, but download only first 12-30 kbytes ... may be anybody know this truble? (2.4.27-1-386) |
| 21:10.13 | simeon | bjohnson: I don't see why not |
| 21:10.16 | kspath | blondie: So you suspect that something was not allowing pppd access to information related to "received"? |
| 21:10.35 | blondie | eh, no I don't suspect that |
| 21:10.38 | simeon | cureless: cool... |
| 21:10.55 | bjohnson | simeon: I guess I'll buy the usb-serial cable and find out |
| 21:11.01 | simeon | cureless: it's not obvious to me how ntop handles historical data, do you know if it keeps monthly totals etc? |
| 21:11.11 | DarkCow | Which user should I use to edit the files in /var/www/ ? |
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| 21:11.18 | cureless | simeon: that should be specified in the config file. |
| 21:11.25 | cureless | simeon: I don't remember off the top of my head. |
| 21:11.27 | DarkCow | because I've been using root or "su"ing to www-data |
| 21:11.37 | simeon | cureless: cool, thanks dude. |
| 21:12.00 | cureless | DarkCow: some user in the group www-data |
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| 21:12.10 | DarkCow | okay |
| 21:12.14 | DarkCow | makes sense |
| 21:12.19 | liable | DarkCow: you could put the document root in your home if you dont want to do that. |
| 21:12.22 | cureless | DarkCow: or any user you want, as long as www-data has read permissions (and x in dirs) |
| 21:12.39 | DarkCow | so I shouldn't really be using www-data? |
| 21:12.53 | DarkCow | okay |
| 21:12.57 | liable | DarkCow: no reason why you cant, its just inconvenient |
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| 21:13.12 | freesmoking | http://www.freesmoking.eu |
| 21:13.26 | liable | DarkCow: if you dont mind su'ing, no problem. |
| 21:13.44 | liable | freesmoking: are you spamming? |
| 21:13.49 | DarkCow | Should I be giving www-data (the group) write access, as a rule? |
| 21:14.05 | kspath | freesmoking: Was that a debian question or an attempt to get banned? |
| 21:14.06 | cureless | DarkCow: sure. Everything depends on your setup |
| 21:14.17 | DarkCow | right-o |
| 21:14.18 | liable | DarkCow: write access is prolly not a good idea |
| 21:14.32 | cureless | DarkCow: If you're the only one that ever touches anything you can keep things owned by your user, just give www-data read access. |
| 21:14.58 | DarkCow | yeah, I was thinking "just give www-data write access to the files if a CMS needs it" |
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| 21:15.10 | DarkCow | thanks |
| 21:15.27 | liable | DarkCow: say you have a cgi script that someone can exploit, there goes your web site if its writable by www-data |
| 21:15.38 | DarkCow | yeah |
| 21:15.44 | DarkCow | my thoughs exactly |
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| 21:16.41 | DarkCow | Some "hacker" in Iraq or somewhere screwed up a couple of files in my www-root |
| 21:16.53 | cureless | DarkCow: once again, it depends on your setup. |
| 21:16.58 | DarkCow | luckily, the site wasn't ever used |
| 21:16.59 | cureless | BTW, I don't really trust CMSs. |
| 21:17.11 | zinx | most CMSs are security nightmares |
| 21:17.12 | DarkCow | mmm |
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| 21:17.29 | acetech | is there an install script/program similar to automatix for ubuntu in debian? |
| 21:17.30 | cureless | I was bitten by mambo (now joomla) |
| 21:17.42 | Ronin | acetech: what does automatix do? |
| 21:17.51 | cureless | acetech: there was one or two, but I can't remember their names or where they were. |
| 21:18.00 | DarkCow | I'm pretty sure that it was an unpatched version of e107 that was expolited |
| 21:18.21 | acetech | Ronin, it automates the process of setting up video codecs, and the beginning of a desktop installation |
| 21:18.32 | swbrown | Isn't automatix the thing that basically helps you throw away all your freedom and ensure people don't develop for free codecs? |
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| 21:18.50 | liable | acetech: you are better off just doing it yourself, who knows, you might learn something to. :) |
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| 21:18.57 | liable | swbrown: no |
| 21:19.17 | acetech | liable, i have done this several times on my own... the automated process is much easier |
| 21:19.44 | liable | acetech: even the people in #ubuntu tell you not to use automatix |
| 21:19.45 | cureless | acetech: what do you need to configure? (codecs are handled by marillat) |
| 21:19.55 | kreg | i've install various java pakages just like /msg dpkg java explains, but i'm still not getting any java support in firefox. does anyone know what i need? |
| 21:20.14 | acetech | liable, the amount of control you get in debian is why i am switching to debian |
| 21:20.32 | swbrown | liable: The point of automatix is to install a huge mass of non-free software, especially codecs. |
| 21:20.36 | liable | acetech: right, so why do you want to give that control to a script? |
| 21:20.36 | cureless | acetech: are you using marillat already? |
| 21:20.52 | acetech | cureless, no not yet |
| 21:20.59 | cureless | !marillat |
| 21:20.59 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 21:21.14 | liable | swbrown: what, apt-get install w32codecs is especially difficult? |
| 21:21.34 | acetech | i think i am running etch right now... should i upgrade into sid? |
| 21:21.36 | cureless | liable: swbrown is talking about legal and moral reasons. |
| 21:21.37 | swbrown | liable: I'm arguing it's a bad thing, not that it's not possible to do a similar bad thing in Debian. |
| 21:21.54 | Ronin | acetech: no |
| 21:22.07 | kspath | !tell acetech about unstable |
| 21:22.13 | kspath | !tell acetech about sid |
| 21:22.18 | keith80403 | Are the debbugs package and the Debian bts the same thing? |
| 21:22.24 | kreg | is /msg dpkg java the help i need to java support in firefox? |
| 21:22.24 | liable | swbrown: right, my bad, apologies |
| 21:22.38 | cureless | acetech: debian unstable is one of those iyhtays (did I get that right?) |
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| 21:22.47 | cureless | acetech: if you have to ask you shouldn't. |
| 21:22.53 | cheal | kreg: yes |
| 21:22.55 | FFAMax | anybody can talk with me at private about ip transfer> |
| 21:23.11 | abrotman | eh? |
| 21:23.11 | kreg | cheal, >: ( i've installed jamvm, do you know what else i need? |
| 21:23.14 | cureless | FFAMax: talk here, maybe somebody can help |
| 21:23.19 | EdLin | kreg: /msg dpkg java will direct you to further factoids depending on what you need to read |
| 21:23.22 | cheal | keith80403: Debian's BTS uses debbugs as engine |
| 21:23.24 | Ronin | FFAMax: best just to ask/state the problem in channel |
| 21:23.32 | kreg | EdLin, heh ya i've been through it |
| 21:23.34 | liable | he did |
| 21:23.35 | cheal | kreg: you need to install a JRE |
| 21:23.39 | EdLin | kreg: jamvm doesn't have a browser plug-in |
| 21:23.47 | acetech | alright, i will stick with etch then |
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| 21:24.12 | liable | kreg: whats about:plugins say? |
| 21:24.18 | cureless | acetech: unstable is not that bad, as long as you acknowledge that your system might blow up some day. |
| 21:24.31 | kreg | cheal, what what? which pak is that? |
| 21:24.50 | acetech | quick question... is it true debian does not offer security patches as quickly or even at all like ubuntu does? |
| 21:24.52 | kreg | we should modify /msg dpkg java to just explain how to do it for a browser support |
| 21:25.00 | kspath | acetech: No. |
| 21:25.20 | `DamN` | acetech: :-) |
| 21:25.21 | keith80403 | cheal, Is the "BTS" considered to be the website at http://bugs.debian.org, then? Is that what the BTS is? |
| 21:25.22 | abrotman | acetech: where the heck did you hear that? |
| 21:25.31 | kspath | !tell acetech about fud |
| 21:25.41 | EdLin | acetech: Ubuntu only provides security fixes for a limited amount of packages, if something's in "universal" you're on your own. |
| 21:25.42 | acetech | i actually read it on a forum |
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| 21:25.48 | Ronin | acetech: lies all lies :) |
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| 21:26.21 | acetech | good to know this is fud |
| 21:26.24 | `DamN` | acetech: ubuntu forum ? |
| 21:26.26 | cureless | acetech: what forum? |
| 21:26.27 | kreg | apt-cache search plugins | grep java |
| 21:26.28 | kspath | acetech: Do you believe everything in print or on the radio or TV? |
| 21:26.29 | kreg | nada |
| 21:26.47 | abrotman | acetech: wait .. have you been posting at forumus.debian.net ? |
| 21:26.59 | cureless | acetech: debian etch doesn't have "quick" security patches. But sarge and sid do. |
| 21:27.01 | acetech | no, i have not been posting on there |
| 21:27.02 | EdLin | kreg: the JRE/JDKs that provide plugins aren't in the main archive for legal reasons. |
| 21:27.16 | abrotman | cureless: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 21:27.22 | abrotman | cureless: as for the speed .. no idea |
| 21:27.28 | kreg | EdLin, /msg dpkg java suggested that. but it didn't tell me what sources to add |
| 21:27.35 | cureless | abrotman: speed is an important factor in security. |
| 21:27.37 | EdLin | kreg: what you probably want is the Sun .bin, and use java-package to create a deb that will safely install everything. |
| 21:27.39 | stew | cureless: sid doesn't have security patches |
| 21:27.51 | cureless | stew: no, it has updates. |
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| 21:28.14 | abrotman | cureless: then you probably shouldn't be running anything but stable anyways |
| 21:28.15 | stew | cureless: and the are not necessarily quick |
| 21:28.16 | kreg | EdLin, serioiusly what do i "apt-get install......" to get java in my browser working. |
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| 21:28.51 | cureless | stew: compared to etch? |
| 21:28.54 | acetech | is sarge the middle of the road between etch and sid? |
| 21:28.55 | abrotman | kreg: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:28.56 | EdLin | kreg: I just told you what you need to install, get the Sun JRE and apt-get install java-package so you can process it. |
| 21:29.04 | liable | kreg: if you follow the debian-admin howto that dpkg links to, it "just works" |
| 21:29.06 | abrotman | acetech: no .. sarge is stable .. etch is testing .. sid is unstable |
| 21:29.08 | abrotman | !releases |
| 21:29.08 | dpkg | i guess releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 21:29.16 | stew | cureless: right |
| 21:29.17 | cureless | abrotman: stable is for servers. |
| 21:29.21 | acetech | cool, i am going to stick with etch then |
| 21:29.30 | cureless | or people that can't fix unstable. |
| 21:29.30 | abrotman | cureless: i agree! |
| 21:29.41 | cureless | or can't afford to. |
| 21:29.43 | abrotman | cureless: i don't run unstable anywhere .. guess i'm just too lazy :) |
| 21:29.58 | EdLin | testing's sometimes buggy too |
| 21:30.01 | abrotman | well .. not currently anyway |
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| 21:30.08 | abrotman | EdLin: sure .. but not to the same degree |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | well .. not usually .. |
| 21:30.31 | cureless | If you want a stable reliable system you go with stable, that's the point. |
| 21:30.33 | acetech | does debian not change the realease names? |
| 21:30.36 | EdLin | abrotman: true, you usually don't get the sort of things like a PAM mess-up that keeps you from logging in. :) |
| 21:30.38 | cureless | acetech: yes |
| 21:30.40 | FFAMax | <cureless> just impossible transfer traffic. few day ago all good work, but now irc link (server-server) crash after 10-20 min full connection status. now i just want get any file from network - only <1Mb can recive successful, after transfer is stopping (no traffic given) |
| 21:30.51 | cureless | acetech: except sid... which is not really a release. |
| 21:31.12 | abrotman | EdLin: yeah .. stuff like that |
| 21:31.16 | abrotman | acetech: yes .. of course we do |
| 21:31.18 | abrotman | !release history |
| 21:31.19 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 21:31.20 | acetech | cureless: i see |
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| 21:31.48 | swbrown | The main value of unstable is if you want etch to turn out the way you want, use it, fix it, submit bugs. :) |
| 21:31.54 | KMIUser | hi |
| 21:32.03 | abrotman | swbrown: or use etch .. and submit bugs on that |
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| 21:32.12 | ribnitz | hello there |
| 21:32.14 | myren | what the crap is with these ubuntu packages? |
| 21:32.15 | myren | E: Error occurred while processing language-pack-kde-ms (NewVersion1) |
| 21:32.15 | myren | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:32.27 | kspath | myren: NOT our issue. |
| 21:32.29 | EdLin | look at those release dates, until woody a new release was made ~18 months or so. |
| 21:32.32 | kspath | myren: This is #debian. |
| 21:32.32 | abrotman | myren: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:32.39 | abrotman | !tell alapzaj about away |
| 21:32.54 | myren | but no one in ubuntu knows shit, and i _am_ running debian. ;) |
| 21:33.01 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 21:33.01 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:33.02 | kspath | myren: NOT our issue. |
| 21:33.06 | abrotman | myren: not if you have ubuntu sources .. |
| 21:33.08 | cureless | myren: which version of debian are you runnig? |
| 21:33.09 | myren | YOU ARE DUMB |
| 21:33.11 | myren | STOP SHOUTING |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | myren: you've infected your machine with ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 21:33.17 | myren | i was being sarcastic yo |
| 21:33.20 | kspath | myren: Ubuntu issues are not #debian issues. |
| 21:33.28 | acetech | debian etch used xorg and not x11 correct? |
| 21:33.31 | myren | hey, you learned lower case! congradulations kspath |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | acetech: correct |
| 21:33.58 | kspath | myren: I know very well what lowercase is. Congratulations. |
| 21:34.02 | myren | cureless: a thoroughly pinned mutt. testing base with probably 40% unstable and a couple pieces of experimental. |
| 21:34.07 | cheal | acetech: not really, X.org is an implementation of X11 |
| 21:34.20 | abrotman | myren: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:34.20 | cureless | myren: but you have ubuntu repositories? |
| 21:34.22 | myren | kspath: just trying to point out you were being a total dick. admitantly, given my first question, you had all rights to be |
| 21:34.40 | myren | cureless: sure, plenty of packages i can only get from ubuntu |
| 21:34.42 | EdLin | !tell myren about ubuntu |
| 21:34.53 | abrotman | myren: tough shit .. go to #ubuntu .. it's not a Debian system anymore |
| 21:34.55 | cureless | myren: we can't help then. |
| 21:34.57 | kspath | myren: Are you qualified to determine what "being a total dick" is? |
| 21:34.58 | acetech | cheal, will i be able to copy my ubuntu xorg.conf to debian? |
| 21:35.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: What's the frequency, Kenneth? |
| 21:35.13 | cheal | acetech: yes |
| 21:35.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: Shiny Happy People .. |
| 21:35.21 | kspath | scarynetworkguy: Today? |
| 21:35.29 | myren | alright, i'll go ask those stupid worhless fuckheads in #ubuntu |
| 21:35.30 | acetech | cheal, cool |
| 21:35.34 | myren | god i hate that channel |
| 21:35.35 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yay! |
| 21:35.42 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i prefer Nightswimming |
| 21:35.47 | scarynetworkguy | Document, acutally but close enough. |
| 21:36.01 | stew | myren: there is no reason for name calling |
| 21:36.12 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i know .. but i prefer that song to every other REM song (i think) |
| 21:36.18 | ribnitz | myren: Their linux should work as good as ours. |
| 21:36.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah Nightswimming rocks. My fave is World Leader Pretend. |
| 21:36.42 | keith80403 | myren, Check here:http://www.astro.columbia.edu/~roban/hacks/ Search for "Problem with Mergelist" - have fun. |
| 21:36.58 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: bastard! .. i've not built my stereo yet! |
| 21:37.15 | scarynetworkguy | Hehehe. |
| 21:37.34 | ribnitz | How hard would it be to port an app (server) that is currently based on RHEL to work with Debian? |
| 21:37.48 | Blissex | ribnitz: pretty easy. |
| 21:37.58 | abrotman | ribnitz: depends on the app and how many redhat-isms they use |
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| 21:38.09 | ribnitz | abrotman: www.contribs.org |
| 21:38.18 | ribnitz | abrotman: They seem to use amanda |
| 21:38.21 | myren | HAHA punks! the problem WAS debian. well, my congiruation of debian.. Had to increase APT's cache limit |
| 21:38.28 | _wendell | Can anyone help me figure out why my software RAID (created with mdadm) won't start on system startup? |
| 21:38.34 | abrotman | myren: HAHA .. not our problem .. go away |
| 21:38.37 | ribnitz | er not the backup tool, the autoconfig tool. |
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| 21:38.44 | _wendell | I tried putting it in /fstab, but it seems that the raid isn't assembling before this happens... |
| 21:38.53 | myren | jeeze, its like a fucking warzone in here today |
| 21:38.56 | _wendell | err /etc/fstab |
| 21:39.38 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: you've got software raid loading in your initrd, right? and the superblocks ahave the information on the raid setup? |
| 21:39.40 | kspath | myren: Are you aware that you can/do seem to step in all the virtual meadow muffins? |
| 21:39.48 | FFAMax | and nobody unknow decision of my problem? :) |
| 21:40.01 | ribnitz | FFAMax: what problem? |
| 21:40.09 | FFAMax | just impossible transfer traffic. few day ago all good work, but now irc link (server-server) crash after 10-20 min full connection status. now i just want get any file from network - only <1Mb can recive successful, after transfer is stopping (no traffic given) |
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| 21:40.32 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: I'm pretty sure the superblocks have the information -- I can just mdadm -A /dev/md0 and it assembles. However, I'm really not sure about the initrd. |
| 21:40.48 | myren | kspath: I went to the real meadow muffins yesterday. |
| 21:40.52 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: After installing mdadm, do I need to rebuild my initrd file? |
| 21:40.57 | dondelelcaro | FFAMax: you're going to have to give us a much more detailed set of information about what is actually going on with the problem if you want us to be able to help. |
| 21:41.15 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: possibly; the main thing is that you need to make sure that raid si being loaded in the initrd. |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | kspath: i think he's is talking about other muffins ... |
| 21:41.55 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: Can you be more specific? :) Apologies, I'm rather new at all of this. |
| 21:42.06 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: I don't know what you mean by "setting /etc/modules correctly" |
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| 21:42.25 | spiekey | hello! |
| 21:42.37 | myren | abrotman: :) |
| 21:42.41 | _wendell | After changing something in init.d, do I have to rebuild the init.d image? |
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| 21:42.54 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: you need to make sure that /etc/modules is loading the raid module. lsmod will tell you what the names are. |
| 21:42.54 | spiekey | i find a lot of software raid howtos where its decribed how you set up a raid1 with mkraid. |
| 21:43.02 | spiekey | but debian does not come with mkraid |
| 21:43.07 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: no, init.d has nothing to do with your initrd. |
| 21:43.11 | stew | _wendell: init.d has nothing to do with an initial root disk |
| 21:43.18 | _wendell | Aha |
| 21:43.19 | dondelelcaro | spiekey: we don't use mkraid; you should use mdamdm. |
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| 21:43.48 | abrotman | ribnitz: i've seen that software before |
| 21:44.01 | _wendell | So what should I be looking at in order to check that the raid is being setup in the initrd |
| 21:44.15 | abrotman | ribnitz: however .. what does it do that debian doesn't do witht the same packages installed? |
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| 21:44.45 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: you should see at boot that the raid modules have been loaded, and that the kernel is able to see the /dev/md0 |
| 21:45.03 | Alex1 | hello, someone can help me to install a sounblaster 24bit on sarge? |
| 21:45.10 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: That's just it -- it doesn't, until I do a manual mdadm -A /dev/md0 command. |
| 21:45.34 | Taa5i | Hello. Has anyone had success using a pcmcia Xircom Cardbus 10/100 network card to do a netinst of Debian please? |
| 21:45.39 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: So in other words, putting it in the fstab is useless right now :) |
| 21:45.40 | abrotman | Alex1: what have you tried so far ? |
| 21:46.03 | beardy | Alex1: "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" will help you. |
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| 21:46.10 | abrotman | assuming he's using 2.6 |
| 21:46.12 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: how did you build the array? |
| 21:46.13 | ribnitz | abrotman: It has an insert cd guided install. Like windows. I thought about using alien to create debs. |
| 21:46.15 | beardy | Yeah. |
| 21:46.28 | beardy | !assume |
| 21:46.29 | dpkg | methinks assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
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| 21:46.37 | beardy | :).. |
| 21:46.38 | abrotman | ribnitz: but unless i'm mistaken .. all those packages are available in debian |
| 21:46.39 | ribnitz | abrotman: plus it has an old kernel, and uses lvm completely inefficiently. |
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| 21:46.54 | Mortis_kruuul | http://www.avemetal.com ! :) |
| 21:46.58 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: apt-get install mdadm --- then I used the basic mdadm -C --type:5 /dev/sdx /dev/sdx etc etc kind of command. |
| 21:47.05 | ribnitz | abrotman: didnt find any esmith or smeserver packages. |
| 21:47.08 | abrotman | Mortis_kruuul: why do you always spam us ? |
| 21:47.19 | stew | dondelelcaro: Mortis_kruuul is a repeat offender: http://vireo.org/tmp/mortis.log |
| 21:47.30 | Mortis_kruuul | sorry. I'm fuckin' stupid I think... |
| 21:47.31 | RichiH | is there a freely available list of porn sites? (insert lame jokes here) - i have written a websave proxy and was asked to block those |
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| 21:47.35 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: Then I formatted it. The array works and is fully finished building... It just doesn't auto-assemble and mount. |
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| 21:47.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:47.38 | beardy | Alex1: Answer abrotman's question, and please tell us which kernel you are running. |
| 21:47.53 | Alex1 | kernel 2.4.27-3 |
| 21:48.00 | RichiH | a list of gambling, various games sites etc appreciated, too |
| 21:48.00 | abrotman | RichiH: just give your kids a tv like the rest of the world! |
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| 21:48.16 | stew | dondelelcaro, RichiH:its always i=kubaziem and *szczecin.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl |
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| 21:48.33 | Alex1 | i tried to upgrade to 2.6 using apt-get but it goes in kernel panic |
| 21:48.39 | RichiH | abrotman: not my kids. i am working for a smallish isp and they offer vpns along with save web |
| 21:48.43 | brando1 | Is there a tool that takes an rpm spec file and creates the control, data, and other files needed to create a deb package? |
| 21:48.56 | abrotman | Alex1: panic why? |
| 21:49.00 | abrotman | !tell brando1 about alien |
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| 21:49.43 | Alex1 | abrotman, really i don't remember i must recompile kernel from source i think |
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| 21:49.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: moo |
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| 21:50.06 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: hrm... do you see the device in /proc/mdstat? |
| 21:50.18 | brando1 | abrotman: Not alien, I need spec files so pre/post install work correctly. Alien butchers pre/post scripts |
| 21:50.19 | Alex1 | if is usefull to know why kernel panic appears i try to reboot using 2.6.* |
| 21:50.27 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: Well, if I manually assemble it I do. |
| 21:50.28 | stew | Alex1: do you use lilo or grub? |
| 21:50.32 | abrotman | Alex1: i doubt it .. i'd rather know the error you're getting |
| 21:50.32 | Alex1 | grub |
| 21:50.35 | beardy | Alex1: Install a debian kernel, or do you have any reason to build your own from source? 'apt-get kernel-image-2.6.? |
| 21:50.37 | acetech | is there a good wiki/walkthrough i could follow on how to setup java, media players, office utils, programming IDE's that is available? |
| 21:50.40 | abrotman | brando1: butchers? |
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| 21:50.53 | tarzeau | acetech: it's not that hard |
| 21:50.56 | Alex1 | beardy, i already said it give me a kernel panic |
| 21:50.59 | RichiH | stew: even the same nick |
| 21:51.00 | tarzeau | acetech: for java use java-package |
| 21:51.03 | brando1 | Alien does not always work well with complex pre/post install scripts as I've read. |
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| 21:51.10 | tarzeau | acetech: for media players, get mplayer source, unpack, run debuild |
| 21:51.20 | abrotman | brando1: no .. it's not perfect .. but it's pretty good |
| 21:51.22 | stew | Alex1: it would help to know the error if you want us to help you getting a 2.6 kernel working, if you want alsa working with the 2.4 kernel, /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 21:51.27 | abrotman | !tell tarzeau about mplayer |
| 21:51.29 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: it should be there even if youhaven't assembled it... you probably should also have an /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid which will run the assembly commands on the raid arrays as well. |
| 21:51.43 | cureless | hey what's the equivalent of pow(x,2) in perl? |
| 21:51.55 | beardy | cureless: ask #perl? |
| 21:51.56 | tarzeau | acetech: office utils? like knife? can opener and paper clip? |
| 21:52.08 | Groundy | I'm busy apt-get upgrading testing, udev wants to remove hotplug - I assume this is okay? |
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| 21:52.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't ask for it ABROT MAN! aren't you in mexico? |
| 21:52.15 | cureless | beardy: I could, but then I'd have to actually /join #perl |
| 21:52.20 | Alex1 | i try thank you stew |
| 21:52.22 | abrotman | Groundy: usually .. |
| 21:52.31 | RichiH | stew: thanks for pointing it out |
| 21:52.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: damog doesn't like me |
| 21:52.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: so what? |
| 21:52.38 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*kubaziem@*cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:52.39 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: Just so I know, what is init.d exactly? |
| 21:52.39 | brando1 | abrotman: I need percect, plus the package needs to have different pre/post scripts than an rpm package. I'm looking for a better way than starting from scratch to build a deb package since I have the rpm spec file perfected (minus using different pre/post scripts) |
| 21:52.41 | beardy | cureless: Makes it easier, yes. |
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| 21:52.51 | cheal | acetech: no. unrelated things are treated separately |
| 21:52.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: damog is pissed |
| 21:53.01 | acetech | tarzeau, i just tried to do java-package and got package not abailable |
| 21:53.01 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: And yes, I do have a /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid file |
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| 21:53.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh? |
| 21:53.05 | Groundy | abrotman: well hotplug was last updated 2005, udev 2006, so easy |
| 21:53.07 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: it's the initilaization directory, where init scripts are kept. |
| 21:53.10 | tarzeau | acetech: it's non-free |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | brando1: so if you need custom scripts ... why are you concerned that alien doesn't do a good job switching them ? |
| 21:53.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: read his blog? planet.debian.org |
| 21:53.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: i did |
| 21:53.26 | acetech | i have the merillat in sources.list |
| 21:53.36 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: So what does it mean if I have this file and it's still not assembling at startup? |
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| 21:53.54 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: if you reboot, running /etc/init.dmdadm-raid start; should cause the raid to start. If it doesn't you may need to edit /etc/default/mdadm-raid to get it to autostart. |
| 21:54.05 | acetech | tarzeau, should i use java-common? |
| 21:54.06 | tarzeau | i have the cow in my pants |
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| 21:54.19 | dondelelcaro | s#dm#d/m# |
| 21:54.36 | tarzeau | acetech: no use java-package |
| 21:54.47 | Miesco | Is it possible to have more then one monitor connected to one computer? |
| 21:54.52 | jshoenberger | yes |
| 21:54.53 | tarzeau | Miesco: yes |
| 21:55.01 | Groundy | abrotman: were you around when I was chating about my load average problem a few days ago? vmstat - IOwait, etc? |
| 21:55.03 | cureless | Miesco: no, that just happens in the movies |
| 21:55.12 | abrotman | Groundy: you mean "What does "si" "hi" mean ? |
| 21:55.18 | EdLin | acetech: add contrib and non-free to your main repository lines, java-package is contrib |
| 21:55.23 | Groundy | abrotman: yep, so you were :-P |
| 21:55.24 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: Yes, that command works fine. But it still doesn't assemble the array upon restart. :-) |
| 21:55.28 | Miesco | tarzeau: How would I go about that? |
| 21:55.31 | cureless | Miesco: I'm joking obviously. |
| 21:55.34 | abrotman | Groundy: i vaguely remember .. did you figure it out ? |
| 21:55.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: so you stay home? |
| 21:55.38 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: So clearly there's something I'm not understanding about init.d... |
| 21:55.44 | tarzeau | Miesco: just get alot of monitors |
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| 21:55.50 | Groundy | abrotman: I increased the 64mb to 128mb, and load has dropped dramatically, |
| 21:55.51 | cureless | Miesco: buy 2 monitors, get a card that supports that (or 2 cards that support being along one another) |
| 21:55.55 | tarzeau | Miesco: and plug the monitor cables into the computer |
| 21:55.58 | dondelelcaro | http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/don_room_current/dual_desk.jpg only happens in movies. |
| 21:56.04 | abrotman | Groundy: i bet that makes a difference |
| 21:56.07 | cureless | Miesco: you can get more than 2 monitors if you wish. |
| 21:56.18 | Groundy | abrotman: it's amazing, |
| 21:56.19 | beardy | Miesco: You need a graphics card that can handle two monitors, or a motherboard that can handle two graphica cards. |
| 21:56.20 | Miesco | And the X server will support this? |
| 21:56.22 | acetech | Edlin, ex (deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch contrib)? |
| 21:56.26 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: when you don't have the raid array assembled initially? |
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| 21:56.43 | Groundy | abrotman: apt-get actually runs in decent time! |
| 21:56.44 | EdLin | acetech: no, "main contrib non-free" |
| 21:56.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:56.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you play flight sims on that? |
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| 21:56.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: check this http://www.mbudget-kult.ch/index.cfm?sprache=d |
| 21:56.58 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: The raid is not assembled upon startup. The command /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start DOES assemble the array, however. |
| 21:57.02 | acetech | Edlin, k thank you |
| 21:57.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: hey, no. |
| 21:57.06 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: So what I'm saying is that the scripts don't seem to be working. |
| 21:57.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you make it to .mx yet? |
| 21:57.23 | beardy | Miesco: Yes, either you can have one big screen that overlaps all monitors, or separate servers running for each monitor, or (almost) any combination in between. |
| 21:57.24 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: there should be a symlink from /etc/rcS.d to it |
| 21:57.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I'm here... that's one of hte rasons why the connection is so laggy. |
| 21:57.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: are you being nice and sharing? :) |
| 21:57.53 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: S25mdadm-raid, yes |
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| 21:58.17 | Groundy | abrotman: the vmstat values that were around 500~800, are now 1~10, and sometimes goes up to ~100 when the system is busy |
| 21:58.18 | Miesco | beardy: So I could have a monitor with display :0:1 or something? |
| 21:58.19 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sharing? |
| 21:58.22 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: I just checked and that works fine too |
| 21:58.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: isn't the speed pretty bad? |
| 21:58.32 | thingfish | where in mexico are you guys? |
| 21:58.35 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: does it work when the array is not assembled? |
| 21:58.40 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nay, it's not that bad. |
| 21:58.48 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: Yes. It assembles the array. |
| 21:58.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: just moderately laggy. |
| 21:58.49 | abrotman | just bad latency .. |
| 21:58.58 | _wendell | my mdadm.conf file is good |
| 21:59.13 | tarzeau | thingfish: oxfordsomething |
| 21:59.23 | thingfish | right... |
| 21:59.39 | _wendell | So I take it that this is a fluke... :) |
| 21:59.41 | Serinity | hum... |
| 21:59.42 | thingfish | there's no oxford nothing in mexico. |
| 22:00.03 | abrotman | thingfish: oaxtapec |
| 22:00.03 | beardy | Miesco: Something like that yes. I haven't used multiple monitors myself though, but I know it's not that hard to get going. |
| 22:00.12 | thingfish | abrotman: nice, never been there. |
| 22:00.13 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: well, then when you boot, you hsould see the mdadm run, and the raid array should get assembled. |
| 22:00.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: when are you coming to switzerland? |
| 22:00.19 | abrotman | thingfish: wiki.debian.net/DebConf |
| 22:00.20 | Serinity | vpn is like having two virtual interfaces on two different machines on different networks right ? |
| 22:00.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: organize a debconf in switzerland!!! |
| 22:00.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: noone ever comes to philly! |
| 22:00.37 | dondelelcaro | _wendell: if you're still not sure, try adding a set -x to the top of that file so you can see the commands being executed at the time that they are run. |
| 22:00.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd rather have one in philly .. i think it would be a lot of fun |
| 22:00.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's there for me to see in philly? |
| 22:00.47 | Serinity | and those virtual interfaces having each one an ip on the same network... |
| 22:00.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: just imagine .. a DD expedition to Atlantic City :) |
| 22:01.03 | thingfish | abrotman: ok, so that means a lot of Debian users drunk in one place. |
| 22:01.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: what do you want to see? |
| 22:01.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: switzerland is sooooo nice. really, zurich, lucerne, berne, basel, it's so cute, soooo many things |
| 22:01.16 | thingfish | and chocolates! |
| 22:01.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: nature, women, snow, lake, rivers |
| 22:01.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: well .. since DC is usually in the summer .. no snow .. |
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| 22:01.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you on the ground barking like a dog :) |
| 22:01.40 | abrotman | there is a river around philly .. |
| 22:01.50 | abrotman | we have the mutter museum! |
| 22:02.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.collphyphil.org/mutter.asp |
| 22:02.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: the strangest museum i've ever seen |
| 22:02.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you not have parks? |
| 22:02.43 | Groundy | wierd: "grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" during 'Setting up kernel-image-2.4.27-3-586tsc (2.4.27-10sarge2) ...' |
| 22:02.51 | Groundy | everything still works though |
| 22:02.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i want to sunbathe, ead and drink and talk |
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| 22:02.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: of course .. Fairmount park is really nice |
| 22:02.59 | myren | is there a dpkg trigger for installing keys into apt-key? |
| 22:03.08 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: Going through my syslog now... |
| 22:03.12 | abrotman | myren: /topic |
| 22:03.16 | Taa5i | Could someone suggest a good pcmcia wired and/or wireless nic for a laptop please? I currently have a Xircom 56g 10/100 that refuses to connect through properly. |
| 22:03.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: k. bring me there, when? |
| 22:03.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know when, when you apply to be nm and get dd, right? |
| 22:03.40 | |dennis| | Please Help>> Question: http://pastebin.ca/55441 |
| 22:03.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you leave the country? .. |
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| 22:03.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: or when i bring that little framus guitar to the shop? |
| 22:03.53 | beardy | Taa5i: If noone asnwers here, try asking in #hardware. |
| 22:03.54 | seeeS | hello, im back on the problem with nvidia not working in xorg |
| 22:03.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: not yet, really |
| 22:04.02 | tarzeau | seeeS: works fine here |
| 22:04.04 | abrotman | !tell |dennis| about apt-proxy |
| 22:04.11 | Taa5i | beardy: Thank you, I'll check in there. |
| 22:04.13 | seeeS | tarz: are you using nv or nvidia drivers? |
| 22:04.14 | _wendell | dondelelcaro: So I absolutely don't need to rebuild the initrd right? |
| 22:04.16 | tarzeau | seeeS: nv or nvidia driver? if nvidia copy the right files to the right place? |
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| 22:04.28 | brando1 | abrotman: anyway, do you know of a tool to migrate from an rpm spec file to the control other debian package building config files? |
| 22:04.29 | tarzeau | seeeS: both work, nv don't with later cards so use vesa or really nvidia |
| 22:04.31 | beardy | Taa5i: You're welcome, good luck. |
| 22:04.32 | |dennis| | abrotman: thanks shall look into it. |
| 22:04.34 | seeeS | nv doesnt work right, nvidia is uninstallable |
| 22:04.38 | tarzeau | seeeS: /usr/lib/xorg is the new good place |
| 22:04.47 | tarzeau | seeeS: why is nvidia uninstallable? |
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| 22:05.00 | tarzeau | seeeS: get your kernel, edit linux/Makefile run make, then the installer |
| 22:05.03 | tarzeau | seeeS: works like a champion |
| 22:05.05 | seeeS | tarz: Depends: xserver-common |
| 22:05.11 | tarzeau | seeeS: and you can play briquolo and brutalchess |
| 22:05.15 | abrotman | brando1: i'm not aware of one .. try asking #debian-mentors |
| 22:05.17 | tarzeau | seeeS: dpkg -P xserver-common (not needed) |
| 22:05.23 | Alex1 | alsa seems to be ok but i don't hear any sound |
| 22:05.38 | FFAMax | Well, i couldn`t explain that problemwith more details, but what can i say: i can not get files bigger than 12-15 kbytes, it doesn`t matter which type connection i use: ftp, http, by wget or by aptitude. Connection just hangs up on 12-15 kbyte of transferring... |
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| 22:05.50 | seeeS | tarz: yes, but it is a dependency for nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 22:06.01 | beardy | !alsa-checklist |
| 22:06.01 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 22:06.02 | tarzeau | seeeS: don't use nvidia-* packages |
| 22:06.08 | beardy | Alex1: ^^^ |
| 22:06.09 | tarzeau | seeeS: use the one and only real www.nvidia.com installer |
| 22:06.13 | tarzeau | seeeS: it works, it's the best |
| 22:06.18 | seeeS | tarz: oh ok |
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| 22:06.24 | tarzeau | seeeS: debian nvidia packages suck . unless Justin does them |
| 22:06.26 | Stevie | mmmh, white noise |
| 22:06.27 | Alex1 | thanks |
| 22:06.29 | seeeS | ill upgrade my kernel then too |
| 22:06.30 | tarzeau | but he didn't for like years? |
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| 22:06.42 | tarzeau | seeeS: good idea, i've used it with the latest 2.4 and 2.6, works |
| 22:06.50 | spiekey | raid1 question: does this look like a working raid1 on two disks? http://pastebin.com/714324 |
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| 22:07.03 | spiekey | i wanna be sure my setup works, i have never set up raid1 before |
| 22:07.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://gophila.com/C/Things_to_Do/211.html |
| 22:07.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: but what about you all come to switzerland? |
| 22:07.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i thought next year was in edinburgh |
| 22:07.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: we have open airs here! great food |
| 22:07.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: you going? |
| 22:07.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe |
| 22:08.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's in the uk? |
| 22:08.14 | abrotman | ep |
| 22:08.15 | abrotman | yep |
| 22:08.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can look in google pictures philadelphia and show you where i want to go to? |
| 22:08.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: that guide should show a bunch of things |
| 22:09.04 | seeeS | spie: its rebuilding |
| 22:09.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: but if say "I love art museums" etc .. there are two good ones in philly |
| 22:09.18 | seeeS | speikey, i prefer lookikng at /proc/mdstat anyway |
| 22:09.29 | abrotman | one is private .. and requires .. i think a month's notice to get in |
| 22:09.53 | spiekey | abrotman: can i show you /proc/mdstat? |
| 22:10.08 | abrotman | spiekey: i don't use sw raid .. but you can try :) |
| 22:10.16 | seeeS | id like to go to switzerland one day, but it is so far away |
| 22:10.31 | stew | abrotman: are you including that wierd one stuck in the middle of some suburb? |
| 22:10.34 | tarzeau | seeeS: i'd like to go to australia once too |
| 22:10.40 | spiekey | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/714327 |
| 22:10.44 | tarzeau | and new zealand. it's not THAT far |
| 22:11.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: start swimming :) |
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| 22:11.12 | seeeS | if you get to oz, nz is very close |
| 22:11.15 | abrotman | spiekey: looks like it is rebuiding |
| 22:11.21 | spiekey | abrotman: ok, cool. thanks! |
| 22:11.28 | _wendell | Do you guys have any idea why the kernel would -stop- a raid5 array on startup? I see in my syslog "May 10 15:22:49 localhost kernel: md: md0 stopped.", that's during bootup, before it displays any other info about the raid. |
| 22:11.30 | spiekey | abrotman: so its using 2 disks :D |
| 22:11.36 | Miesco | What server do I get so I can use eudc? |
| 22:12.08 | seeeS | _wend: ive seen it when it gets confused with the autostart ones |
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| 22:12.36 | _wendell | seeeS: Well that's exactly the problem I'm having -- it's not auto-assembling the raid upon startup, despite the init.ds apparently working |
| 22:12.46 | _wendell | seeeS: Any solutions? |
| 22:12.51 | abrotman | spiekey: AFAICT .. like i said .. i don't use sw raid |
| 22:12.53 | FFAMax | ppl, plz go to this link, its tcpdump's log. you can see my problem... http://fs-zone.net/doc/trouble.txt |
| 22:13.06 | Groundy | how can I purge something once it's uninstalled? |
| 22:13.24 | seeeS | _wendell, i think it was in the mdadm setup, i told i had autostartup ones but i didn't really, or the other way around |
| 22:13.26 | abrotman | Groundy: man dpkg |
| 22:13.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.philly2night.com/PictureDetail.aspx?pictid=34952 bring me to the left one |
| 22:13.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: you might enjoy this article |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://travel.msn.com/Guides/article.aspx?cp-documentid=249502 |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: that only works .. if i know which club it is :) |
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| 22:14.57 | scarynetworkguy | Warmdaddys!! |
| 22:15.14 | Alex1 | when it says |
| 22:15.18 | tarzeau | seeeS: where switzerland? winter? summer? check www.myzuri.ch |
| 22:15.20 | Alex1 | 4) arts or esound stopped? |
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| 22:15.36 | Alex1 | i must see it with a ps aux? |
| 22:15.46 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: they're moving .. but i think everyone would love it! |
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| 22:15.53 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
| 22:16.16 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Of course as a filthy OpenBSD heretic I can't go anyway. :D |
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| 22:16.39 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you can just happen to be in philly at the same time :) |
| 22:16.40 | beardy | Alex1: Yes. The name of the daemons are "artsd" and "esd", IIRC. |
| 22:16.49 | scarynetworkguy | Hehe. Fair enough. |
| 22:17.14 | Alex1 | i have 4 processes of artsd |
| 22:17.27 | Alex1 | may i kill them? |
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| 22:18.01 | abrotman | do eet! |
| 22:18.02 | beardy | Alex1: Then stop it, '/etc/init.d/artsd stop'. And if your sound works fine after that, consider removing arts. |
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| 22:18.39 | Alex1 | beardy, i don't have artsd in init.d |
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| 22:18.49 | bloom | how can one backup aptitude's list of manually installed packages in such away that it can be used to restore the system? |
| 22:18.50 | beardy | Alex1: art<TAB><TAB> |
| 22:18.54 | turi | can anyone help me with iptables |
| 22:19.08 | Alex1 | what? |
| 22:19.19 | abrotman | !tell bloom about debian clone |
| 22:19.36 | bloom | dpkg, abrotman: thanks |
| 22:19.59 | beardy | Alex1: '/etc/init.d/art(press the TAB key twice to tabcomplete, if there is any arts daemon script in there, by the name of art*) |
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| 22:20.14 | bloom | abrotman: I know about that, but then the system won't have any knowledge at all about which packages were automatically versus manually installed |
| 22:20.17 | Alex1 | beardy, no issue |
| 22:20.29 | abrotman | bloom: eh ? .. it will tell you what is installed |
| 22:20.50 | Alex1 | ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:20.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell bloom -about installed |
| 22:20.58 | Alex1 | give me alsa and atd |
| 22:21.02 | Alex1 | starting with A |
| 22:21.14 | beardy | Alex1: Ok, just kill the processes then. |
| 22:21.25 | turi | dondelelcaro |
| 22:21.27 | turi | can you help me? |
| 22:21.45 | beardy | !ask |
| 22:21.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:21.49 | bloom | abrotman: but when I bring the system back to life, I won't get aptitude's nice cruft-management features anymore |
| 22:22.06 | abrotman | bloom: oh .. you can probably just back up the aptitude DB |
| 22:22.10 | bloom | dondelelcaro: am I correctly seeing a list of only manually installed packages when I run this? |
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| 22:22.31 | dondelelcaro | bloom: the latter, command, yes. |
| 22:22.35 | seeeS | tarz: is there instructions for the drivers? |
| 22:22.44 | Alex1 | how can i unload OSS modules? |
| 22:23.01 | abrotman | you can't just copy the aptitude DB? |
| 22:23.07 | bloom | dondelelcaro: thanks. probably my best strategy to restore then is to "cat backed-up-list | xargs aptitude install" |
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| 22:23.34 | dondelelcaro | bloom: then it's just a matter of running something like cat installed_packages|xarg aptitude --schedule-only install |
| 22:23.45 | dondelelcaro | (then an aptituded install) |
| 22:23.59 | bloom | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 22:24.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you may be able to, but that works even when you're doing installs between different architectures |
| 22:24.55 | dondelelcaro | (well, for most things, anyaywa. |
| 22:24.57 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 22:25.19 | dondelelcaro | (some manual tweaking to remove kernels is required, but that's pretty easy.) |
| 22:25.21 | Groundy | is there any way of finding packages that are 'orphaned' - i.e. my system was installed as potato, but i've used apt to keep it up to date, is there a way of finding a list of packages with no installable candidates? |
| 22:25.24 | dondelelcaro | s/is/may/be/ |
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| 22:25.48 | dondelelcaro | Groundy: deboprhapn, aptitude, or debfoster, can do that. |
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| 22:26.14 | dondelelcaro | hrm... deboprah would be a pretty interesting package. |
| 22:26.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: "Your libapt is messed up .. how does that make you feel?" |
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| 22:26.46 | bloom | Groundy: deborphan is a way to list orphaned packages |
| 22:26.48 | Groundy | aptitude is the X gui right? |
| 22:26.59 | FabParma | how to give write access at samba shares? i searched but i cnt find nothing about it |
| 22:27.04 | dondelelcaro | Groundy: no. |
| 22:27.21 | Groundy | that's synapt, or something |
| 22:27.23 | bloom | Groundy: debfoster interviews you about which orphans you want to keep and which you want to remove until you've removed all of the cruft from your system |
| 22:27.59 | VictorI_ | out of curiosity, do you guys mount your filesystem with sync or async? |
| 22:28.06 | bloom | Groundy: aptitude maintains that information automatically and always cleans up cruft automatically, at least as long as you've been using aptitude for this since you installed your system |
| 22:28.08 | Groundy | debfoster sounds like it's a bit too clean for my likes |
| 22:28.15 | Blissex | VictorI_: 'sync' is unspeakably slow. |
| 22:28.31 | VictorI_ | so always keep 'async' in fstab? |
| 22:28.31 | Alex1 | noone can help me? |
| 22:28.34 | Groundy | bloom: i've mostly done apt-get install's and apt-get upgrade's |
| 22:28.48 | VictorI_ | Blissex is async the default option even? for ext3 |
| 22:28.57 | Groundy | bloom: often I've looked at the upgrade list, and installed chunks at a time, to keep the upgrade quick, |
| 22:28.58 | bloom | Groundy: I suggest using debfoster now |
| 22:29.00 | abrotman | VictorI_: yes |
| 22:29.03 | Alex1 | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp <- it give me "write error: no such device" |
| 22:29.07 | turi | My issue is that iptables will not work on my 64bit Debian distribution. When i try to run iptables i get error: module is wrong version, upgrade kernel or iptables, when kernel and iptables are both compatible versions. iptables version = 1.2.11-10.. kernel version = Linux dlx1 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 9 08:38:33 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:29.07 | Blissex | VictorI_: yes, the default is 'async' and it is filesystem independent. |
| 22:29.12 | bloom | then using the debfoster2aptitude script to switch to aptitude |
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| 22:29.16 | abrotman | VictorI_: if you change it to sync .. your drives constantly are reading/writing |
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| 22:29.19 | bloom | and then forgetting that you have an "apt-get" command |
| 22:29.27 | turi | bloom, i used apt-get |
| 22:29.27 | bloom | Groundy: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2006-05/msg00003.html |
| 22:29.28 | stew | Alex1: using alsa? modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 22:29.30 | turi | didn't work :l |
| 22:29.31 | VictorI_ | thanks |
| 22:29.54 | abrotman | isn't Alex1 still using 2.4.27? |
| 22:30.08 | Alex1 | stew, done but the error prexist |
| 22:30.14 | Alex1 | abrotman, yes i am |
| 22:30.25 | Groundy | hrm, apt-get as always been much easier to install stuff than using aptitude |
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| 22:30.32 | bloom | Groundy: how so? |
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| 22:30.44 | turi | can anyone help me? |
| 22:30.47 | stew | Alex1: have you run alsaconf? did it detect a card? |
| 22:30.50 | davidh | hi, how do I access a USB drive? |
| 22:30.58 | stew | davidh: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 22:30.58 | FabParma | how to allow write access at samba shares? i searched but i cant find nothing about it |
| 22:30.58 | bloom | Groundy: bear in mind that aptitude can be used on the command-line just like apt-get and supports all of the normal apt-get commands that way |
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| 22:31.05 | beardy | Groundy: No difference, when used as apt-get is used. Only benefits. |
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| 22:31.06 | abrotman | did he even install the alsa stuff for 2.4 ? |
| 22:31.10 | turi | can anyone help me? |
| 22:31.12 | Alex1 | stew, yes all work well but i don't hear nothing |
| 22:31.18 | abrotman | turi: just ask |
| 22:31.20 | Groundy | because aptitude defaults to interactive mode, which for a deb newbie looks like the _only_ mode |
| 22:31.22 | turi | i did :l |
| 22:31.28 | abrotman | turi: oh .. sorry .. i see |
| 22:31.28 | seeeS | tarzeau, using the nvidia driver will mean downloading a kernel source right? |
| 22:31.38 | stew | abrotman: he said snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 22:31.42 | tarzeau | seeeS: yes you need that to build the kernel module |
| 22:31.46 | tarzeau | seeeS: that's a linux kernel thing |
| 22:31.47 | Alex1 | and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp give me an error |
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| 22:31.55 | abrotman | stew: dunno ... |
| 22:31.56 | davidh | stew: I do not see in computer |
| 22:31.58 | tarzeau | seeeS: and the kernel config to your kernel is needed |
| 22:32.05 | beardy | Groundy: The newbie should read the manual when in doubt. As everyone else. |
| 22:32.06 | abrotman | turi: can you paste your sources somewhere? |
| 22:32.06 | turi | My issue is that iptables will not work on my 64bit Debian distribution. When i try to run iptables i get error: module is wrong version, upgrade kernel or iptables, when kernel and iptables are both compatible versions. iptables version = 1.2.11-10.. kernel version = Linux dlx1 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 9 08:38:33 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:32.07 | stew | Alex1: and "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" didn't give you an error, right? |
| 22:32.09 | tarzeau | seeeS: and uname -r output entered into linux/Makefile and run make |
| 22:32.16 | Groundy | yea, apt-get works, |
| 22:32.17 | bloom | Groundy: so basically the difference is that aptitude starts a GUI when you run it without any options, and apt-get spits out a usage message |
| 22:32.17 | tarzeau | seeeS: don't ask. it sucks. it's linux. it works |
| 22:32.19 | stew | davidh: what do you mean? |
| 22:32.24 | Alex1 | stew, no error on it |
| 22:32.32 | Groundy | bloom: yep |
| 22:32.32 | stew | Alex1: what card do you have? |
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| 22:32.46 | Alex1 | suond blaster live! 24 bit |
| 22:32.51 | davidh | stew: In desktop, I click on computer icon. I see cdrom, not usb |
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| 22:33.10 | stew | davidh: did you follow the instructions in /msg dpkg usb-storage? |
| 22:33.11 | abrotman | not one of those sound blaster blah!! .. it's LIVE! |
| 22:33.16 | FabParma | how to allow write access at samba shares? i searched but i cant find nothing about it |
| 22:33.26 | tarzeau | FabParma: can't you use nfs? |
| 22:33.35 | beardy | FabParma: man smb.conf |
| 22:33.51 | FabParma | beardy: very kind |
| 22:33.58 | beardy | FabParma: or samba.conf perhaps |
| 22:34.06 | stew | Alex1: can you put the output of "lsmod | egrep snd\|emu10k" into a pastebin? |
| 22:34.06 | Taa5i | When trying to install of the Debian boot floppies, the instlal process frequently freezes the laptop when trying to load the yenta_socket. Is this common? |
| 22:34.12 | FabParma | beardy: i done |
| 22:34.23 | Groundy | bloom: so best way forward is: install debfoster, run debfoster, run debfoster2aptitude, forget apt-get exists, use apitude from now on in |
| 22:34.25 | davidh | stew: what do you mean by /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 22:34.30 | FabParma | beardy: i cant find the parameters |
| 22:34.32 | stew | !tell davidh about usb-storage |
| 22:34.42 | bloom | Groundy: yep |
| 22:34.49 | Groundy | (jn fact, forget apt-get exists is step #0) |
| 22:34.52 | turi | !tell me!!@ |
| 22:35.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: seen this yet? http://www.roard.com/screenshots/etoile-shot3.png |
| 22:35.19 | Alex1 | stew: http://phpfi.com/117573 |
| 22:35.30 | davidh | stew: Do I need to mount the usb? |
| 22:35.44 | seeeS | tarzeau, which makefile gets uname -r? |
| 22:35.44 | bloom | Groundy: you have it easy. I had to hack aptitude settings in apt.conf to make the adjustment work |
| 22:35.51 | tarzeau | seeeS: linux/Makefile |
| 22:35.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: what am i looking at |
| 22:35.54 | bloom | Groundy: that was like 6 months ago |
| 22:35.59 | tarzeau | seeeS: just fill the first 4 lines correctly |
| 22:36.09 | seeeS | ah |
| 22:36.10 | Groundy | bloom: ? well I like to track testing, but I want to pull in 1 or 2 packages from unstable, |
| 22:36.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: the office suite of gnustep that will murder openoffice.org |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. ok |
| 22:36.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: rtfd! that also mac os x has, bought from nextstep |
| 22:36.30 | Groundy | bloom: so hopefully aptitude doesn't mind my pins either :-) |
| 22:36.32 | stew | davidh: what are you trying to do with it? get or store files? if so then yes |
| 22:36.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: it can do pictures now :) |
| 22:36.46 | seeeS | tarzeau, didnt i need version.h |
| 22:36.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you package it yet? |
| 22:36.50 | bloom | Groundy: aptitude should recognize them, after all, it respects experimental |
| 22:36.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: textedit.app is packaged long ago |
| 22:37.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it's a thing in the gnustep-gui libs |
| 22:37.05 | abrotman | wasn't seeeS damog's AM ? |
| 22:37.09 | Groundy | bloom: cool, I think I have jabberd2 from experimental |
| 22:37.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: of course debian doesn't have it yet... you know this is DEBIAN |
| 22:37.14 | seeeS | abo: yeah |
| 22:37.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: TEH SLOW! |
| 22:37.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you package it yet? |
| 22:37.26 | tarzeau | seeeS: yes make will update it |
| 22:37.31 | tarzeau | seeeS: edit Makefile first, then run make |
| 22:37.33 | Alex1 | stew, i find the problem |
| 22:37.37 | tarzeau | seeeS: no there is no other way |
| 22:37.48 | seeeS | tarzeau, make will make an entire kernel though |
| 22:37.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: yea sure. you gonna get dd and sponsor it? |
| 22:38.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got also another bunch of packages waiting for getting sponsored/uploaded |
| 22:38.08 | Alex1 | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix |
| 22:38.08 | tarzeau | seeeS: yes i know |
| 22:38.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not a DD |
| 22:38.17 | tarzeau | seeeS: and it'll make sure the nvidia installer works |
| 22:38.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can get one |
| 22:38.26 | Alex1 | Sound Blaster Live 24bit needs ca0106 |
| 22:38.33 | beardy | tarzeau: Why don't you become a DD? |
| 22:38.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know you're my lazy bitch |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: briquolo kicks butt! |
| 22:38.45 | tarzeau | beardy: because i'm even more lazy than abrotman ? |
| 22:38.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know, BITCH |
| 22:38.52 | beardy | tarzeau: Ah. |
| 22:38.59 | tarzeau | beardy: wait, why don't you? |
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| 22:39.20 | beardy | tarzeau: Because I'm more lazy than the two of you ? |
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| 22:39.30 | tarzeau | damn! all these lazy people |
| 22:39.30 | abrotman | beardy: you're german! |
| 22:39.42 | beardy | abrotman: No. |
| 22:39.50 | ndee | how can that be, that I can login thru ssh, with publickey auth, but when I try to use rsync, I get a password prompt. Connection to the exact same machine. |
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| 22:39.53 | tarzeau | and MSN |
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| 22:40.01 | abrotman | beardy: see .. you're so lazy .. you couldn't even type the three letters "yes" .. so you said "no" |
| 22:40.07 | Groundy | tarzeau: try jabber with pymsnt :-) |
| 22:40.14 | tarzeau | Groundy: *PUKE* |
| 22:40.24 | tarzeau | Groundy: i use aMSN |
| 22:40.27 | beardy | tarzeau: ;) We'll see, but I have gotten the impression that they got very high standards of what everyone should know and be able to do. |
| 22:40.32 | tarzeau | Groundy: but really the windows msn is much better |
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| 22:40.38 | beardy | abrotman: heh |
| 22:40.39 | turi | can anyone help me |
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| 22:40.57 | Groundy | tarzeau: what specifically were you puking about? the choice of jabber clients? |
| 22:40.58 | abrotman | turi: did you paste your sources somewhere i could look at ? |
| 22:41.14 | tarzeau | Groundy: man i've got a webcam. jabber can do that? |
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| 22:41.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: gaim-vv |
| 22:41.38 | beardy | tarzeau: Give it a try? You package lot's of things, don't you? |
| 22:41.38 | turi | no i have nothing to paste abrotman :l |
| 22:41.41 | turi | My issue is that iptables will not work on my 64bit Debian distribution. When i try to run iptables i get error: module is wrong version, upgrade kernel or iptables, when kernel and iptables are both compatible versions. iptables version = 1.2.11-10.. kernel version = Linux dlx1 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 9 08:38:33 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:41.42 | Groundy | tarzeau: abrotman's right :-) |
| 22:41.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't run any gtk software! |
| 22:41.45 | unfo | abrotman: gaim-vv??? |
| 22:41.45 | turi | that way my issue^^ |
| 22:41.46 | abrotman | unfo: kopete is gaim |
| 22:41.46 | turi | :l |
| 22:41.49 | beardy | s/lot's/lots |
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| 22:42.01 | abrotman | turi: you have to have sources .. look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:42.01 | unfo | abrotman: i know for sure the gui is different :) |
| 22:42.14 | kisielk | hm, anyone know of where to get vim7 packages ? |
| 22:42.15 | abrotman | unfo: no crap .. they stole the code to make it work .. at least .. i think it was kopete |
| 22:42.23 | abrotman | unfo: they changed the GUI calls ... |
| 22:42.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen my script of the day already? |
| 22:42.34 | nas_ | i have microsoft wireless mouse that only moves up and down |
| 22:42.38 | turi | abrotman >> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/CkWDh546.html |
| 22:42.39 | unfo | what happened to the libgaim effort anyway? |
| 22:42.40 | abrotman | nas_: move it left and right! |
| 22:42.57 | stew | kisielk: there are preliminary packages in experimental but packages for unstable are not yet ready. /msg dpkg piav |
| 22:43.19 | beardy | or turn the mouse 90 degrees and continue up and down |
| 22:43.20 | unfo | nas_: did you try powering off and on again? (that's a serious question) did you try a different mouse? when did the problem start? |
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| 22:43.49 | ml2 | Hi |
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| 22:44.01 | unfo | hi |
| 22:44.01 | nas_ | unfo, mouse has worked with debian before i reinstalled |
| 22:44.09 | abrotman | turi: so you've loaded the iptables modules using modconf ? |
| 22:44.12 | ml2 | What was that mountpoint the debian-installer mounts the root of the target system? |
| 22:44.20 | turi | no abrotman i haven't |
| 22:44.21 | tarzeau | ml2: /target ? |
| 22:44.27 | ml2 | probably |
| 22:44.28 | nas_ | i have restarted the computer is that good enough for a restart |
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| 22:44.32 | turi | how do i go about that abrotman ? |
| 22:44.34 | tarzeau | dpkg ubuntu2debian is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 22:44.34 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 22:44.36 | unfo | nas_: try powering off. |
| 22:44.41 | abrotman | turi: use .. modconf |
| 22:44.41 | nas_ | and i read about other people having this problem |
| 22:44.50 | unfo | nas_: how did they fix it? |
| 22:44.54 | nas_ | i did all the suggestions and cant seem to fix it |
| 22:44.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: that won't work .. you should know better! |
| 22:44.57 | ml2 | thanks |
| 22:45.03 | nas_ | some people changed protocols |
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| 22:45.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: of course it works! |
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| 22:45.11 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 22:45.14 | nas_ | added things to the xorg.conf |
| 22:45.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: it works. i did it. more than once. |
| 22:45.31 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I've got a machine head! |
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| 22:45.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: which version of debian uses libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu17 |
| 22:45.55 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 22:45.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: none. it can be replaced bz what debian has |
| 22:46.00 | abrotman | I GOT A PONY |
| 22:46.01 | beardy | yay |
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| 22:46.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: dpkg -l grep ubuntu will not return anything after a conversion |
| 22:46.14 | Gary | :) |
| 22:46.16 | davidh | stew: How do I load usb-storage module? |
| 22:46.36 | nas_ | the mouse has a usb connector thing |
| 22:46.40 | abrotman | damog: I GOT A PONY! |
| 22:46.41 | mikeX | I'm on sarge i386, with a pci usb add on card, and over time, I've lost all 4 of the usb slots (no kernel respond when I plug something in), it's running a custom 2.6.14 kernel) |
| 22:46.44 | nas_ | the mouse connects to that |
| 22:46.45 | turi | abrotman |
| 22:46.48 | turi | i dont konw where it's at |
| 22:46.51 | nas_ | so its kinda like a usb mouse |
| 22:46.53 | abrotman | turi: it's a command you can run |
| 22:46.55 | turi | im in modconf |
| 22:46.57 | turi | but idon't see it |
| 22:47.01 | turi | i did run it :l |
| 22:47.01 | nas_ | its wireless but not bluetooth |
| 22:47.07 | unfo | !forget ubuntu2debian |
| 22:47.07 | dpkg | unfo: i didn't have anything called 'ubuntu2debian' to forget |
| 22:47.09 | abrotman | damog: Tengo un caballo! |
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| 22:47.31 | mikeX | this happened gradually, is something I can do besides reboot? I tried /etc/init.d/hotplug restart, but nothing changed |
| 22:47.32 | unfo | !ubuntu2debian is a script that is supposed to convert your Ubuntu installation into a Debian Sid installation. get it at: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 22:47.32 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 22:47.34 | stew | davidh: "modprobe usb-storage" |
| 22:47.45 | unfo | did i do something wrong with the bot just now? |
| 22:47.45 | stew | what? |
| 22:47.47 | turi | abrotman, kernel/net/ipv6/netfilter |
| 22:47.50 | turi | what about that |
| 22:47.53 | Detox | /join #libranet |
| 22:47.54 | turi | would that be it ? |
| 22:47.58 | unfo | nas_: what is different about your new installation? |
| 22:48.02 | abrotman | turi: i believe so |
| 22:48.05 | tarzeau | unfo: one day if ubuntu has a security hole and suddenly popcon.ubuntu.com reports 0 ubuntu installations... you know who it was |
| 22:48.17 | unfo | Detox: /join ##linux is always ok :) |
| 22:48.22 | nas_ | unfo, im using the vmlinuz kernel that came with it |
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| 22:48.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. like last time ... |
| 22:48.36 | unfo | and on the old one, what did you compile in? |
| 22:48.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: last time? i'm an innocent angel |
| 22:48.54 | turi | abrotman |
| 22:48.59 | turi | thing is there are a bunch of netfilters |
| 22:49.03 | turi | and a bunch of commands in it |
| 22:49.10 | turi | i enabled the tables for in the ipv6 one |
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| 22:49.17 | turi | and it's still not working when i do iptables -L |
| 22:49.18 | AnisFarhana | halo halo :D |
| 22:49.20 | AnisFarhana | greetings all |
| 22:49.27 | AnisFarhana | i got this error when compiling : checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:49.34 | nas_ | unfo, before i was using my kernel i compiled |
| 22:49.36 | AnisFarhana | gcc is already the newest version |
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| 22:49.44 | nas_ | i guess i could recompile that same kernel again |
| 22:49.47 | AnisFarhana | my gcc is newest version but error in compiling |
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| 22:50.01 | Meaw | i |
| 22:50.03 | Meaw | hi |
| 22:50.08 | Meaw | i just cant install perl |
| 22:50.13 | unfo | nas_: you could try that. or you could try installing a different Debian kernel, which is quick & easy to try. |
| 22:50.14 | Meaw | it's stopped in 66% |
| 22:50.17 | nas_ | but using the vmlinuz i matched up the xorg.conf the way i had it before and it doesnt work |
| 22:50.19 | ml2 | AnisFarhana: What are you trying to install? |
| 22:50.29 | Meaw | i'd try more than one mirror the same |
| 22:50.34 | abrotman | apt-get install perl |
| 22:50.35 | AnisFarhana | ml2: Unreal IRCD |
| 22:50.42 | ml2 | Ahh, that's normal |
| 22:50.44 | unfo | Meaw: out of free hard disk space? |
| 22:50.48 | ml2 | use gcc-3.3.4 |
| 22:50.50 | Meaw | abrotman yeah, it's stopped in 66% |
| 22:50.52 | AnisFarhana | seems like no problem with gcc , but error with c compiler |
| 22:51.03 | Meaw | abrotman i'd change the mirror and it's the same |
| 22:51.03 | AnisFarhana | ml2: apt-get install gcc-3.3.4 ? |
| 22:51.22 | ml2 | that one should work |
| 22:51.39 | ml2 | ahh, did you use the ./Config or configure? |
| 22:51.57 | AnisFarhana | ml2: ./config |
| 22:51.59 | ml2 | configure usually is wrong |
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| 22:52.06 | stew | ml2: huh? |
| 22:52.07 | stew | AnisFarhana: apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:52.08 | ml2 | with unreal ircd |
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| 22:52.24 | abrotman | cheal: ping! |
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| 22:52.31 | unfo | Meaw: can you install other packages fine? |
| 22:52.31 | davidh | stew: mount point /mnt/usb does not exist. ??? |
| 22:52.32 | AnisFarhana | stew: ok trying |
| 22:52.36 | ml2 | stew: that's important too |
| 22:52.39 | Groundy | do I need any tk/tcl libs is I'm not using X? (i.e. headless server) |
| 22:52.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: your script really sucks |
| 22:53.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah :) but it works |
| 22:53.18 | abrotman | nope |
| 22:53.20 | cheal | abrotman: pong :? |
| 22:53.26 | ml2 | AnisFarhana: There are some problems with a newer gcc with some services for unreal ircd |
| 22:53.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: send me a patch |
| 22:53.27 | stew | i'm giving out tarzeau's cell phone number to anyone that comes here for support because they ran that script :) |
| 22:53.30 | davidh | stew: I do not find /dev/sda or /dev/sdb in partition table |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | cheal: say pony in french! |
| 22:53.39 | tarzeau | stew: you know my phone number? |
| 22:53.45 | abrotman | stew: i wouldn't worry about it :) |
| 22:53.45 | tarzeau | stew: it's gonna change in two months... |
| 22:53.46 | kspath | abrotman: poney |
| 22:53.50 | stew | tarzeau: no, that's the problem with my plan :) |
| 22:53.51 | ml2 | an older one with 3.3.x should work |
| 22:53.52 | abrotman | stew: they won't be able to get online :) |
| 22:53.55 | AnisFarhana | ml2: hmm.. |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | kspath: he's french! |
| 22:54.01 | cheal | abrotman: I'm not sure |
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| 22:54.11 | abrotman | don't canadians go to school? |
| 22:54.12 | stew | davidh: "fdisk -l " doesn't list any partitions from the usb? |
| 22:54.17 | tarzeau | stew: i can give it to you if you promise to only give it to longhaired blonde women |
| 22:54.19 | stew | davidh: and you have sd_mod loaded? |
| 22:54.23 | kspath | abrotman: not according to mericans |
| 22:54.31 | tarzeau | stew: who look nice and cook fine |
| 22:54.39 | stew | tarzeau: i can't promise that |
| 22:54.43 | cheal | abrotman: it seems kspath is right |
| 22:54.43 | davidh | stew: when I modprobe usb-storage command, it simply return without error. Also I modprobe sd_mod |
| 22:54.59 | tarzeau | stew: i can give you the number of abrotman pretending it's mine :) |
| 22:55.07 | kspath | cheal: It seems the book I used was correct though it is quite old. |
| 22:55.12 | unfo | Canadian community college & undergrad students usually finish end of April every year. |
| 22:55.20 | AnisFarhana | Fetched 6734kB in 1m6s (101kB/s) , im stuck here :(( |
| 22:55.27 | AnisFarhana | it is normal ? |
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| 22:55.33 | |dennis| | Question: I amtrying to run anonftpsync to create a private deb mirror. i rty to run teh script but i get the error 147:lockfile command not found ; lockfile-progs is installed and so is lockfile1. Please help |
| 22:55.41 | Meaw | sorry d/c |
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| 22:55.46 | davidh | stew: 'fdisk -l', nothing return |
| 22:55.51 | stew | tarzeau: i'll get abrotman to call you and pretend he's a long haired blond |
| 22:55.52 | cheal | unfo: what do you mean by community college? |
| 22:55.54 | stew | davidh: nothing? at all? |
| 22:55.55 | kspath | unfo: I do not know when Merican college and undergrad students usually swedish. |
| 22:56.05 | bjpwns | Ehh... say I wanna cat a file over to another server (not quite, I'm doing this with mysqldump, but same thing), anyway... does the following work? I can't figure out what command reads from stdin and outs to a file (except for redirect)... so here's what I'm trying to do: cat filename | ssh user@host "echo " ... that's it... I'm stuck at the echo part... do I redirect? so for example echo > filename?? |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: stew has my cell number |
| 22:56.19 | davidh | stew: it simply return |
| 22:56.26 | kspath | unfo: Do Fins ever finnish college? |
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| 22:56.43 | hellangel | hey guys =) |
| 22:56.51 | stew | davidh: uhh, it should at least list your / partition, that is odd. what about "cat /proc/partitions" |
| 22:56.52 | unfo | cheal: 2- or 3-year applied programs like Metalworking or Computer Programming as opposed to Arts or Computer Science. |
| 22:57.10 | unfo | hellangel: hi, interesting nickname. |
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| 22:57.22 | unfo | :) |
| 22:57.29 | Meaw | guys, i can't install perl i'd try deffirent mirrors it's the same, just stopped in 66% |
| 22:57.32 | kspath | unfo: What is scientific about many "Computer Science" programmes? |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | Meaw: what are your sources |
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| 22:57.48 | hellangel | i (still) got problems with my creative audigy... i got 2 sound cards, one on board and a 5.1 one... i installed alsa, set up alsamixer and set store to 1 aswell (1 == my audigy).. |
| 22:57.51 | hellangel | but i still have no sound :/ |
| 22:57.55 | unfo | Meaw: you must've missed my question before. are you out of disk space? |
| 22:57.58 | Meaw | ftp.debian.org |
| 22:58.03 | davidh | stew: GAINTPANDA:~# cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:58.03 | davidh | major minor #blocks name rio rmerge rsect ruse wio wmerge wsect wuse runni ng use aveq |
| 22:58.03 | davidh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.03 | davidh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.03 | davidh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:58.04 | Meaw | unfo nope |
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| 22:58.15 | Meaw | unfo how to check disk space? |
| 22:58.16 | stew | yummy devfs flood |
| 22:58.18 | kspath | !tell davidh about paste |
| 22:58.20 | abrotman | Meaw: df -h |
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| 22:58.24 | Meaw | i can install another packages |
| 22:58.25 | cheal | unfo: so these programs which come after high school are called community college? I didn't know |
| 22:58.30 | loumz | bjpwns: to read from stdin and output to a filename try "cat > outputfilename" |
| 22:58.32 | unfo | Meaw: what happens if you download all the packages using wget then install with dpkg -i |
| 22:58.44 | hellangel | if anyone could help me i would appologize that alot :> |
| 22:58.51 | Meaw | ppp:~# df -h |
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| 22:58.52 | Meaw | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 22:58.52 | Meaw | tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /dev/shm |
| 22:58.54 | stew | bjpwns: "mysqldump | ssh user@host cat \> /some/file" |
| 22:59.02 | unfo | Meaw: to check disk space on / type: df / |
| 22:59.05 | Meaw | tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /dev/shm |
| 22:59.08 | bjpwns | loumz: hrrm, k |
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| 22:59.25 | Meaw | /dev/hda7 9.2G 33M 8.7G 1% /opt |
| 22:59.26 | Meaw | /dev/hda5 9.2G 208M 8.6G 3% /usr |
| 22:59.26 | Meaw | /dev/hda6 9.2G 78M 8.7G 1% /var |
| 22:59.27 | unfo | cheal: no. |
| 22:59.34 | unfo | some are. |
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| 22:59.40 | bjpwns | stew: ahh, nice... though I can just quote the stuff to avoid escaping the >? (I'm putting this into a script. |
| 22:59.42 | kspath | cheal: Some nations do in "technical high schools" what some "community colleges" do elsewhere. Wow. I am WAY WAY WAY Off-topic for #debian. |
| 22:59.49 | kspath | !paste |
| 22:59.49 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 22:59.56 | cheal | unfo: yeah, only the "applied" ones. ok |
| 22:59.58 | kspath | !tell Meaw about paste |
| 23:00.07 | DigitalTech | some one know any driver for ATI Radeon x600 SE ? i dont can start my GDM because it don't find my video card |
| 23:00.08 | Meaw | ok ty |
| 23:00.13 | cheal | kspath: ok, thanks |
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| 23:00.26 | davidh | stew: any more idea |
| 23:00.53 | Meaw | unfo is it available for download the package? |
| 23:01.09 | stew | bjpwns: yeah '>' and \> both do the same, you just need to make sure the > is passed to ssh, and not interpreted bythe shell that you are issuing the ssh command in |
| 23:01.25 | unfo | Meaw: which exact package? perl-base or perl? |
| 23:01.30 | acetech | how would you guys compare the debian packages to the ubuntu packages? |
| 23:01.35 | Meaw | perl-modules unfo |
| 23:01.41 | unfo | acetech: debian's are better. :) |
| 23:01.53 | acetech | unfo: awesome |
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| 23:01.57 | stew | davidh: yes. since you are using devfs /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 could be the first partition on usb, do you have other scsi devices? |
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| 23:02.14 | stew | davidh: and please, btw, don't paste in here, use a pastebin |
| 23:02.18 | unfo | acetech: same format, ".deb". |
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| 23:02.20 | Meaw | actually, i can't install webmin cause of the perl isn't installed |
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| 23:02.35 | Meaw | unfo , perl-modules package |
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| 23:03.07 | Miesco | Okay when I type ldapadd I get prompted for a password, how do I find out the password? |
| 23:03.37 | davidh | stew: I have two hard disks. |
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| 23:03.43 | unfo | Meaw: make sure you have the wget package installed, then do this: wget ftp.debian.org/$(apt-cache show perl-modules | grep Filename | cut -f2 -d' ') |
| 23:04.14 | Meaw | thanks sir |
| 23:04.17 | Meaw | it's downloading |
| 23:04.40 | unfo | Meaw: np |
| 23:04.50 | davidh | stew: |
| 23:05.16 | davidh | stew: My machine has two USB. One used for mouse and one for USB drive |
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| 23:05.27 | davidh | stew: USB mouse is working |
| 23:05.37 | davidh | stew: USB drive light is green |
| 23:06.16 | Meaw | unfo (apt-cache show perl-modules | grep Filename | cut -f2 -d' ') what this for? add the package in the cashe |
| 23:06.31 | AnisFarhana | stew: i cant make it , my server stuck at somewhere |
| 23:06.58 | stew | AnisFarhana: try a different mirror? without build-essential you really won't be able to build anything |
| 23:07.03 | stew | davidh: do you have more than one usb drive? |
| 23:07.04 | unfo | Meaw: no, it downloads it. |
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| 23:07.15 | _wendell | Can anyone help me with my RAID mounting problem? I'm having the exact problem described here (and elsewhere): http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24296.html |
| 23:07.18 | stew | davidh: actually nevermind |
| 23:07.21 | _wendell | (and no, I'm not using Ubuntu :)) |
| 23:07.25 | unfo | Meaw: apt-cache show perl-modules tells you the filename |
| 23:07.35 | AnisFarhana | stew: there is any way to install old gcc such as gcc.3.34 ? |
| 23:07.41 | stew | davidh: what happesn when you try to run "mount /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt" ? |
| 23:07.51 | AnisFarhana | stew: *gcc-3.3.4 |
| 23:07.52 | unfo | Meaw: | cut -f2 -d' ' removes the word "Filename:" from it |
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| 23:08.17 | stew | AnisFarhana: what version of debian are you running? what version does "dpkg -l gcc" report? |
| 23:08.22 | Meaw | yeah |
| 23:08.41 | unfo | Meaw: wget ftp.debian.org/$(commandname) gets a file. which one? depends what commandname outputs to the screen. |
| 23:09.04 | unfo | Meaw: now do: dpkg -i perl-modules* |
| 23:09.07 | unfo | Meaw: did it work? |
| 23:09.09 | davidh | stew: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 23:09.17 | AnisFarhana | stew: ii gcc 3.3.5-3 The GNU C compiler , im running on debian sarge 3.1 |
| 23:09.24 | _CAiRO | where does smbpasswd save the passwords? |
| 23:09.50 | unfo | CAiRO: dunno, check the smbpasswd manpage or documentation maybe. |
| 23:09.54 | stew | AnisFarhana: you could possibly get an older gcc, but why would you want one? |
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| 23:10.09 | stew | davidh: do you know what the filesystem type is? |
| 23:10.14 | D13GU___ | hi all! where i see tutorials of debian servers? |
| 23:10.14 | kisielk | how do I add a new alternative to the alternatives list? |
| 23:10.19 | kisielk | I compiled something in to /usr/local |
| 23:10.24 | kisielk | and want to use it with update-alternatives |
| 23:10.24 | stew | D13GU___: /msg dpkg reference |
| 23:10.36 | unfo | davidh: i always try -t auto, it works fine for me for Windows and ext3 filesystems. |
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| 23:10.54 | AnisFarhana | stew: checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables , i got this error why compiling ircd |
| 23:10.56 | CAiRO | unfo: well, it's not in the man page |
| 23:11.01 | unfo | kisielk: check the documentation before you ask on IRC. :) |
| 23:11.12 | stew | kisielk: with --install, your best bet might be to look at what other packages do in their .postinst scripts |
| 23:11.17 | unfo | CAiRO: or try the command: strace smbpassword |
| 23:11.31 | unfo | CAiRO: oops i mean the command: strace smbpasswd |
| 23:11.33 | stew | AnisFarhana: yeah, any compiler is going to give you that until you get build-essential installed |
| 23:11.34 | piper69 | stew:how can i check to see it i have iptables |
| 23:11.38 | davidh | stew: I think that I created in windows. I tried with '-t auto', still same error |
| 23:11.48 | Meaw | CAiRO are you egyptian |
| 23:11.48 | kisielk | unfo: I read the docs, but I don't quite understand the terminology |
| 23:12.01 | AnisFarhana | stew: i tried build-essential..but its stuck |
| 23:12.01 | unfo | kisielk: which terminology? |
| 23:12.05 | CAiRO | Meaw: no, i'm not |
| 23:12.10 | kisielk | unfo: primary, slave, etc |
| 23:12.13 | unfo | AnisFarhana: sorry, but are you out of disk space? |
| 23:12.13 | IceWolf0 | I need some help |
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| 23:12.15 | Meaw | k |
| 23:12.31 | piper69 | Meaw: are you? |
| 23:12.37 | stew | piper69: "dpkg -l iptables" will tell you if you have the package installed, and "modprobe iptable_filter" will tell you if your kernel supports |
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| 23:12.51 | stew | AnisFarhana: then you are stuck. try a different mirror |
| 23:12.52 | Meaw | piper69 nope |
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| 23:12.56 | IceWolf0 | how do u reinstall grub??? |
| 23:13.01 | Meaw | i was in cairo month ago |
| 23:13.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:13.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:13.05 | D13GU___ | stew, CBQ how to? know? |
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| 23:13.12 | CAiRO | Meaw: nice :) |
| 23:13.15 | AnisFarhana | stew: do u mean in source_list ? |
| 23:13.16 | stew | davidh: was part1 the only part# listed in /proc/partitions |
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| 23:13.33 | unfo | kisielk: which docs are you reading? and are you reading them front-to-end completely? |
| 23:13.37 | stew | D13GU___: lartc.org; but why would you want to use CBQ instead of HTB? |
| 23:13.45 | stew | AnisFarhana: yes, run apt-setup |
| 23:14.08 | davidh | stew: there are part1 and part2 |
| 23:14.08 | stew | davidh: try part2 then |
| 23:14.08 | D13GU___ | stew, simply |
| 23:14.15 | stew | D13GU___: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:14.20 | Xasperated1 | "message dpkg guidelines" |
| 23:14.24 | davidh | stew: sorry. for scsi, only part1 |
| 23:14.45 | D13GU___ | stew, bandwidth control |
| 23:14.48 | piper69 | Meaw: which part |
| 23:15.01 | davidh | for ide, part1, 2, 3, 5 |
| 23:15.06 | stew | D13GU___: apt-cache show wondershaper ; that script is a very good starting point |
| 23:15.11 | Meaw | cairo , alex , sharm sheikh |
| 23:15.16 | Meaw | i'd stay for 45 day |
| 23:15.19 | Meaw | anyway |
| 23:15.26 | piper69 | stew: please check #flood |
| 23:15.28 | stew | davidh: does "fdisk -l /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc" list a patition/patition type? |
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| 23:15.40 | Meaw | unfo it's stopped in 2% |
| 23:15.41 | D13GU___ | stew, wondershaper ou shaper, only? |
| 23:15.51 | stew | !info wondershaper |
| 23:15.55 | unfo | Meaw: how well does your internet connection work? |
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| 23:15.59 | dpkg | wondershaper: (Easy to use traffic shaping script), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1a-4 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 23:16.10 | Meaw | unfo it's good i can install any other package |
| 23:16.15 | D13GU___ | :) |
| 23:16.22 | davidh | stew: nothing return |
| 23:16.25 | stew | piper69: you have iptables installed |
| 23:16.32 | unfo | Meaw: dunno. |
| 23:16.34 | unfo | anyone??? |
| 23:16.50 | D13GU___ | StereoSkit, unstable package? |
| 23:16.50 | stew | davidh: you are running fdisk as root, right? |
| 23:16.53 | piper69 | stew: how can i strat and set it up, i really want to use as firewall |
| 23:17.01 | unfo | davidh: become root then try ( cat < part1 | file - ) though after 5 seconds if it doesn't work, you might as well give up and press Control-C. |
| 23:17.05 | unfo | or part2 |
| 23:17.07 | AnisFarhana | stew: apt-setup not found |
| 23:17.09 | stew | D13GU___: there is a version in stable too, just apt-get install wondershaper |
| 23:17.17 | AnisFarhana | iskk |
| 23:17.28 | stew | AnisFarhana: as root, its in /usr/sbin |
| 23:17.45 | stew | AnisFarhana: if you don't have it in /usr/sbin, apt-get install base-config |
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| 23:18.29 | unfo | Meaw: are you on stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 23:18.29 | stew | D13GU___: please keep the conversation in channel |
| 23:18.30 | D13GU___ | a ok... sorry |
| 23:18.30 | Meaw | stable unfo |
| 23:18.32 | AnisFarhana | stew looks like a google here :D |
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| 23:18.50 | piper69 | stew: the only doc i found about optables was for redhat?!!! |
| 23:18.59 | davidh | stew: do you mean 'cat < part1 | file -' |
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| 23:19.17 | piper69 | redhat sucks Debian rocks yay |
| 23:19.20 | piper69 | :) |
| 23:19.21 | stew | davidh: huh? |
| 23:19.25 | unfo | davidh: yes, that is what I mean. |
| 23:19.35 | stew | piper69: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:19.40 | D13GU___ | stew, i don't need recompile kernel for bandwidth control? |
| 23:19.44 | davidh | stew: in what directory to run the command |
| 23:19.48 | stew | D13GU___: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:19.49 | dli | piper69, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/226 |
| 23:20.14 | piper69 | stew: i woud like to setup iptables and use it as a files wall |
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| 23:20.17 | davidh | stew: it says 'part1: no such file or directory' |
| 23:20.24 | stew | davidh: fdisk -l? it should matter |
| 23:20.44 | davidh | stew: /dev/stdin: empty |
| 23:20.47 | StereoSkit | O_O |
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| 23:21.07 | stew | davidh: huh? fdisk gave you that? |
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| 23:21.13 | turi | stew! |
| 23:21.14 | turi | :l |
| 23:21.22 | turi | i've come to no solution other than this: |
| 23:21.23 | davidh | stew: no, cat command |
| 23:21.29 | unfo | stew: no, it didnt give him it, it was a suggestion I made, sorry to intrude |
| 23:21.31 | turi | there is said to be a bug in iptables for 64bit systems |
| 23:21.33 | turi | i found a patch |
| 23:21.37 | turi | but it's not applying correctly |
| 23:21.37 | stew | piper69: use something to help you create rules like fwbuilder or shorewall or firehol or whatever people recommend |
| 23:21.43 | davidh | stew: 'fdisk -l' reruen nothing |
| 23:21.46 | turi | you think you can guide/help me get this patch to apply correctly??? |
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| 23:21.59 | stew | unfo: oh, i missed that. by all means, if you have any ideas for him... |
| 23:22.18 | stew | turi: do you know what version the patch was made against? |
| 23:22.19 | abrotman | turi: you're using a 64bit kernel on a 32bit OS .. you could always use a 32bit kernel |
| 23:22.23 | piper69 | stew: am n00bie man i need help |
| 23:22.25 | unfo | davidh: go to the directory part1 is in, then try it again. |
| 23:22.35 | turi | abrotman |
| 23:22.40 | turi | i thought it was a 64bit kernel |
| 23:22.46 | abrotman | i just said it was |
| 23:22.46 | turi | how can i go about fixing this issue? |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:22.49 | turi | btw did you get my msg? |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | no |
| 23:22.57 | turi | i mean 64bit os |
| 23:23.02 | turi | im on debian 3.1 64bit |
| 23:23.02 | turi | :l |
| 23:23.03 | unfo | piper69: unfortunately, we cannot feed you. follow the tutorial and then if you have problems then ask us. |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | turi: you can't msg me .. you're not registered |
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| 23:23.14 | stew | turi: was the patch against the kernel or against iptables? |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | turiddu: paste your sources again ... and uname -a |
| 23:23.53 | stew | piper69: try shorewall |
| 23:24.32 | davidh | stew: my scsi dir is not in /dev |
| 23:24.41 | IceWolf0 | whats the rescue command on the boot screen for sarge? |
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| 23:25.27 | unfo | IceWolf0: rescue |
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| 23:25.38 | unfo | IceWolf0: if i recall correctly. |
| 23:25.45 | stew | unfo: in the sarge installer? |
| 23:25.48 | unfo | yes |
| 23:25.51 | IceWolf0 | i tried linux rescue and rescue and they give errors |
| 23:26.05 | dli | IceWolf0, F1 to help |
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| 23:26.27 | IceWolf0 | F1 says nothing of rescue commands at all |
| 23:26.34 | dli | IceWolf0, I think something like, "root=/dev/hda1" |
| 23:26.44 | quitte | has someone else got problems with latest sid hanging on boot when starting syslog? |
| 23:26.53 | dli | IceWolf0, supply the kernel parameter |
| 23:27.23 | IceWolf0 | what will "root=/dev/hda1" do in the boot screen? |
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| 23:27.58 | unfo | Meaw: go to another computer, download ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl-modules_5.8.4-8sarge4_all.deb then burn it to a CD. then install it from inside debian. |
| 23:27.59 | davidh | stew: I am not able find the file and directory. Do you know what is wrong |
| 23:28.32 | dli | IceWolf0, just boot installer, and go to command shell :) |
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| 23:28.56 | dli | IceWolf0, if you know your hdd partition, supply it as a kernel param |
| 23:29.06 | unfo | IceWolf0: or use a traditional Linux LiveCD like Mepis, Knoppix or Ubuntu Live. |
| 23:29.21 | dli | unfo, better to use apt-zip |
| 23:29.24 | stew | davidh: sorry, devfs baffles me |
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| 23:29.49 | unfo | dli: not in this situation. |
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| 23:30.04 | unfo | (newbie with likely only 1 debian PC) |
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| 23:30.20 | IceWolf0 | im trying to boot rescue because i had to reinstall windows and it deleted grub |
| 23:30.29 | abrotman | i killed him! |
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| 23:30.44 | IceWolf0 | now i cant get into debian, im using knoppix right now |
| 23:30.52 | dli | IceWolf0, then, boot with " root=" kernel parameter |
| 23:31.03 | unfo | IceWolf0: so chroot in from knoppix then reinstall grub. |
| 23:31.20 | dli | IceWolf0, I think the easiest for you is to chroot from knoppix |
| 23:31.23 | unfo | IceWolf0: unfortunately I cannot walk you thru the process today. |
| 23:31.27 | unfo | IceWolf0: but do it. |
| 23:31.33 | simmerz | does fetchmail need reinitialising after changing fetchmailrc's or deleting them? |
| 23:31.43 | streuner | no |
| 23:31.51 | IceWolf0 | im not really knowladgeable enough to install grub.... |
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| 23:32.17 | dli | IceWolf0, open a terminal, become root (via "su" or "sudo -i") |
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| 23:32.38 | magyar | bleh |
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| 23:32.42 | simmerz | streuner: why does it complain that "no mailservers have been specified" (referring to ~/.fetchmailrc's for 2 normal users, when /etc/fetchmailrc is the file being used and working fine |
| 23:32.42 | stew | IceWolf0: just boot the installer as you would normally, then hit alt-f2 to get to a console, mkdir /target ; mount /dev/hda1 /target (or whatever your root partition is instead of /dev/hda1), mount --bind /proc /target/proc ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; chroot /target ; grub-install /dev/hda |
| 23:32.43 | IceWolf0 | i downloaded grub and chroot into the deb i had installed but i dont know how to install grub... |
| 23:33.28 | ribnitz_ | abrotman: did I miss something?- dio you think simply converting esmit |
| 23:33.34 | stew | IceWolf0: just grub-install /dev/hda ; (or whatever your hd is) and you might as well run update-grub while you were at it |
| 23:33.35 | Miesco | How come when I do ldapadd it says: dn: o=<YOUR ORGANIZATION>, c=US |
| 23:33.35 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.35 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.35 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.35 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:33.38 | dli | stew, it may not be /dev/hda1, he may have a /boot partition |
| 23:33.38 | streuner | simmerz: did you say fetchmail which config file it should use? |
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| 23:33.46 | abrotman | ribnitz_: eh? |
| 23:33.47 | Miesco | sorry |
| 23:33.55 | stew | IceWolf0: do you have a separate boot partition? |
| 23:34.08 | Miesco | How come when I do ldapadd it says: SASL/DIGEST-MD5 authentication started |
| 23:34.08 | Miesco | Please enter your password: |
| 23:34.14 | simmerz | streuner: using the debian fetchmail daemon /etc/init.d/fetchmail |
| 23:34.21 | streuner | simmerz: nah |
| 23:34.23 | IceWolf0 | no grub was installed on the MBR thats why windows took it off |
| 23:34.25 | ribnitz_ | abrotman: I doubloaded the packages. currently converting using rpm. DO you have any pointers how ot adapt the debian installer? |
| 23:34.36 | simmerz | streuner: nah what? |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | ribnitz_: you can use preseeding .. and your own metapackages |
| 23:34.50 | streuner | simmerz: otherwise it looks in ~/home/<user>/.fetchmailrc first |
| 23:34.53 | AnisFarhana | stew: im screwed... :/ |
| 23:34.57 | ribnitz_ | abrotman: link? ;) |
| 23:35.03 | stew | AnisFarhana: did you try a different mirror? |
| 23:35.15 | simmerz | streuner: but im using the daemon which should be looking in /etc/fetchmailrc |
| 23:35.27 | quitte | wtf. how did mdadm disappear from my system? |
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| 23:35.37 | abrotman | ribnitz_: well .. metapackage would be a package with no files and a pile of dependencies |
| 23:35.41 | abrotman | ribnitz_: and uhm .. |
| 23:35.50 | AnisFarhana | stew: yes..but i cant do nothing right now....they are totally stuck :S |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | ribnitz_: you'd have to google for preseed debian |
| 23:36.21 | stew | AnisFarhana: how about switching from http: to ftp: or vice versa? |
| 23:36.42 | davidh | stew: I see /dev/usb directory |
| 23:36.54 | AnisFarhana | stew: i have 2 box of debian sarge 3.1 , but one of them is really messed up |
| 23:37.09 | ribnitz_ | abrotman: preseed-common? |
| 23:37.20 | streuner | simmerz: did you use -v in fetchmail? |
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| 23:37.22 | AnisFarhana | stew: maybe i can donate it for ya ? |
| 23:37.26 | davidh | stew: what should I add to file /etc/fstab |
| 23:37.34 | simmerz | streuner: why does it only do that for two users and not all the others on the system? |
| 23:37.36 | abrotman | ribnitz_: maybe? :) |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | ribnitz_: too bad hex left .. he's been messing with preseed a bunch |
| 23:38.09 | stew | davidh: maybe the partition is in /dev/usb? like i said, i don't understand devfs |
| 23:38.17 | stew | AnisFarhana: how is it messed up? |
| 23:38.29 | _wendell | Does deleting a superblock destroy any hope of using the data on a drive? |
| 23:38.35 | _wendell | Or can I restore it and get at the data structure? |
| 23:38.43 | unfo | davidh: type: dmesg | tail -n 20 then paste your results in #flood. |
| 23:38.46 | ribnitz_ | abrotman: for the bot perhaps? - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 23:39.21 | quitte | sigh. so for some reason the initrd doesn'T detect my raid5 volume which contains usr and var. mdadm is missing so i cannot even get the system to find them now. |
| 23:39.30 | abrotman | ribnitz_: maybe that's not what i meant ... |
| 23:39.39 | abrotman | ribnitz_: though thtat might help |
| 23:39.40 | streuner | simmerz: try to start fetchmail with -v on the cli, it tell you more |
| 23:39.54 | stew | _wendell: you should have many backup superblocks on the drive |
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| 23:40.05 | simmerz | streuner: apparently the command being run is /user/bin/fetchmail -a --smtpname=email@domain.tld |
| 23:40.07 | _wendell | stew: How do I access them? |
| 23:40.11 | simmerz | no idea where it is coming from |
| 23:40.12 | davidh | unfo: What do you mean? |
| 23:40.23 | stew | _wendell: i don't remember :) |
| 23:40.24 | unfo | davidh: type: dmesg | tail -n 20 |
| 23:40.30 | unfo | it will tell you lots of stuff |
| 23:40.32 | _wendell | stew: I wanted to do dpkg-recognigure mdadm and it suggested that I delete the superblock, which I did with the command listed |
| 23:40.34 | quitte | can i tell the kernel to scan for raid volumes through proc somehow? |
| 23:40.35 | davidh | unfo: for what |
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| 23:40.39 | AnisFarhana | stew: i dont know to explain sir , im newbies though |
| 23:40.41 | _wendell | stew: And now I cannot rebuild the array... |
| 23:40.45 | stew | _wendell: what filesystem? |
| 23:40.51 | _wendell | stew: ext3 |
| 23:40.53 | unfo | davidh: paste the stuff it tells you into irc channel #flood |
| 23:41.00 | _wendell | err |
| 23:41.03 | _wendell | I cannot ASSEMBLE the array |
| 23:41.05 | davidh | dmesg | tail -n 20 |
| 23:41.28 | unfo | davidh: you must type it in the Bash shell inside a terminal like xterm. |
| 23:42.00 | stew | _wendell: e2fsck -b superblock /dev/whatever ; where superblock is a number, and iirc the number you want is going to be some multiple of 8192 but it could be (some multiple of 8192)+1, you better google |
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| 23:42.26 | _wendell | stew: The number I want? |
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| 23:42.40 | _wendell | stew: Number for what? :) Do I have to assign it a number, it doesn't do that automatically? |
| 23:42.43 | davidh | unfo: what does it do? |
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| 23:42.53 | quitte | i'd be glad for any help. this system is really important to me. for example all my mails are on it. |
| 23:42.58 | davidh | unfo: I just type it in command prompt |
| 23:43.05 | unfo | davidh: yes |
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| 23:43.12 | ribnitz_ | quitte: what happened? |
| 23:43.17 | davidh | unfo: What does it do? |
| 23:43.18 | unfo | davidh: man dmesg and man tail tell you what it does. |
| 23:43.26 | stew | _wendell: when you ran mke2fs or mke3fs or whatever it dumped a message out like "storing backup superblocks at 8192 16384 32762...." or somehting like that, you need one of those numbers |
| 23:43.43 | quitte | ribnitz_: i added some ram and rebooted. then it didn't find the raid volumes it seems and now i have no usr var and home |
| 23:43.47 | _wendell | Aha |
| 23:43.57 | quitte | and for some reason mdadm wasnt installed by the debian installer |
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| 23:44.09 | ribnitz_ | quitte: software raid, or hardware raid, what level? |
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| 23:44.17 | quitte | software raid5 |
| 23:44.17 | simmerz | streuner: any idea where that command is coming from? |
| 23:44.40 | quitte | with lvm on top |
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| 23:44.45 | ribnitz_ | quitte: as far as you can tell, the ram works as intended? |
| 23:44.58 | m1s0g4 | hey im a newbie... but i learn fast. i think apm/acpi are hanging my system (ie. debian hangs whenever idling) how can i disable apm and acpi on debian? |
| 23:45.14 | _wendell | stew: Each disk is part of an array put together with mdadm though... Do I still use e2fsck on the individual drives? |
| 23:45.15 | ribnitz_ | quitte: Aka loads of tiny unrelated bits of data on the disk. |
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| 23:45.37 | ribnitz_ | m1s0g4: add noacpi to the grub boot |
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| 23:45.50 | _wendell | stew: /dev/sdb for the array /dev/md0 (which I can no longer assemble because of the missing superblocks) |
| 23:46.00 | stew | _wendell: the filesystem has no idea that its on an array, it doesn't matter |
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| 23:46.08 | ribnitz_ | quitte: If you take out the ram you put in, and reboot, does this change things? |
| 23:46.09 | quitte | ribnitz_: ram is ok afaict. havent seen anything that isn't explained by stuff just missing. |
| 23:46.17 | stew | _wendell: is it raid0 or raid1 or raid5 or what? |
| 23:46.22 | _wendell | stew: raid5 |
| 23:46.38 | quitte | ribnitz_: it won't change things. i rather think that some newer kernel was pulled in and for the initrd creation mdadm was missing |
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| 23:46.56 | stew | _wendell: oh yikes, i dunno then, it shoudln't be possible to retrieve filesystem data off a raid5 array unless you can assemble the array |
| 23:46.56 | davidh | hi there, I am still struggling to use my USB stick. Basically there are two USB ports in my computer. One is for USB mouse and one for USB stick drive. The mouse is working. USB stick drive light is on. But I do not know how to view the file in it. Help??? |
| 23:47.12 | ml2 | quitte: does the old kernel still work? |
| 23:47.17 | quitte | which i wasn't told at all. and now im in the lucky situation that this thing doesn'T even have any cd or floppy |
| 23:47.21 | ribnitz_ | quitte: if you are using grub, this usually leaves the old kernel. |
| 23:47.33 | ribnitz_ | quitte: Do you boot on RAID? |
| 23:47.42 | _wendell | stew: There has to be a way that I can restore a "backed up" superblock? |
| 23:47.43 | quitte | ml2 was updated i think. i have a 2.6.16 nd a 2.6.15 on it - but it seems the original is missing |
| 23:47.44 | abrotman | !snarf |
| 23:47.45 | dpkg | [snarf] a web/ftp file retriever. Lightweight in nature, you may gather that it doesn't do anything -- but it does: proxy support from environment variables, continuation of partial files to name a few features. or something else entirely or great code base for building http agents like GooseMp3, but now supports socks, or from Thundercats! |
| 23:47.54 | m1s0g4 | ribnitz_: in the parameters? |
| 23:47.57 | evaded | Hi guys, i try to maken an ssh -X connection from one computer to another. Then i try to start 'gvim' but there i get the error 'X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. The application gvim lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application'. What are i am missing? I have been read the man ssh, but i think i do it good with -X |
| 23:47.57 | unfo | davidh: if you want my help, then try the dmesg thing I suggested. |
| 23:48.01 | ribnitz_ | myren: yes. |
| 23:48.06 | quitte | ribnitz_: no, the installer didn't allow me to do that with lvm so i used normal partition for / |
| 23:48.13 | stew | _wendell: not if you can't get to the disk at all |
| 23:48.17 | stew | _wendell: (afaik) |
| 23:48.19 | _wendell | Why the hell would dpkg-reconfigure mdadm just casually recommend that I delete the superblock! |
| 23:48.31 | unfo | evaded: use Emacs+viper+TRAMP instead of gvim :) |
| 23:48.37 | davidh | unfo: How do I paste the output to you? |
| 23:48.38 | _wendell | Argh |
| 23:48.45 | unfo | davidh: /join #flood |
| 23:48.52 | unfo | davidh: then click the middle mouse button. |
| 23:48.56 | _wendell | stew: I can get to the -disks- -- I just can't mount them because it's a raid5 array |
| 23:48.56 | stew | _wendell: whoever recommended that probably knows more than i do though, i don't work with software raid much |
| 23:49.00 | ribnitz_ | davidh: or use pastebin |
| 23:49.02 | evaded | unfo: Yah, that also good, but in reallyty it's to run |
| 23:49.10 | evaded | unfo: It's to run tvtime |
| 23:49.14 | simmerz | ok, fetchmail is running somewhere without the daemon running and i can't find it anywhere |
| 23:49.16 | unfo | evaded: what is tvtime? |
| 23:49.25 | m1s0g4 | ribnitz_: do i add noacpi in the parameters or hsould i add them in a file? |
| 23:49.32 | evaded | unfo: To watch tv with an tv card on the computer |
| 23:49.33 | quitte | ribnitz_: netcat is available. can you tell me how i can use it to get mdrun on that machine? |
| 23:49.34 | stew | oh jeez, look at the time |
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| 23:49.43 | stew | its beer o'clock! happy friday! |
| 23:49.50 | evaded | unfo: But i want to watch from another computer |
| 23:49.50 | unfo | evaded: would that even work over ssh? |
| 23:49.54 | davidh | unfo: what is '/join flood' |
| 23:49.59 | orchid | evaded: you enabled X forwarding on the remote host? |
| 23:50.11 | unfo | davidh: to see, type /help join |
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| 23:50.19 | evaded | unfo: Normally if X are been forwarded, but like with 'gvim' it would not work, X are not forwarded |
| 23:50.24 | ribnitz_ | m1s0g4: the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:50.26 | davidh | ribnitz_: what is patsebin? How to use it? |
| 23:50.36 | evaded | orchid: I guess that i have not do it :-/ |
| 23:50.36 | m1s0g4 | ah |
| 23:50.39 | m1s0g4 | thanks |
| 23:50.40 | ml2 | X11 forwarding is disabled by default on newer sshd installations |
| 23:50.50 | ml2 | on server side |
| 23:50.52 | ribnitz_ | !pastebin |
| 23:50.52 | unfo | davidh: I prefer if you paste into the IRC channel #flood instead of using a pastebin. |
| 23:50.52 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 23:51.20 | evaded | orchid and ml2: So i need to look there then |
| 23:51.23 | davidh | unfo: I type '/help join' in command prompt? |
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| 23:51.29 | unfo | davidh: no, into IRC. |
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| 23:51.42 | ml2 | evaded: It disabled becaus of some security things |
| 23:51.52 | simmerz | ive got a hidden fetchmail process running somewhere but i can't find it in ps , top or anywhere. it keeps bringing up errors because i dont have local user .fetchmailrc files |
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| 23:52.00 | evaded | ml2: Aai, so i not enable it? |
| 23:52.03 | ml2 | it could enable a mad system administrator to view your x-session from remote host |
| 23:52.13 | _wendell | Where can I find someone who knows a shitload about software raid? |
| 23:52.16 | orchid | evaded: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:52.22 | davidh | unfo: Today is my first time using X-Chat. Would you please more specific? I don't understand 'into IRC' |
| 23:52.23 | evaded | ml2: Or can i temporally enable it an display it. I not know where i need to do it |
| 23:52.24 | stew | _wendell: what exactly told you to delete the superblock? |
| 23:52.34 | evaded | orchid: Thanks :) |
| 23:52.39 | _wendell | stew dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
| 23:52.40 | ml2 | evaded: If you are the administrator of that remote host, you can enable it anyway |
| 23:52.47 | unfo | davidh: just join the channel #flood then. use the Join command on the menu. |
| 23:52.53 | orchid | evaded: foX11Forwarding yes |
| 23:52.57 | evaded | ml2: Yah, it's at home here :-) |
| 23:52.59 | orchid | urm |
| 23:53.00 | _wendell | stew: It made no mention that I would no longer be able to reassemble the damn things once it happened. |
| 23:53.01 | stew | _wendell: you must be talking about a different superblock. becuase i can't imagine what the ext2 superblock would have to do with assembling the array |
| 23:53.10 | ml2 | evaded: Then I do not see any problems |
| 23:53.15 | orchid | evaded: X11Forwarding yes |
| 23:53.36 | orchid | evaded: then /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 23:53.36 | _wendell | stew: Yeah, maybe. Does ANYONE here know? I don't really want to lose 160GB of data. |
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| 23:53.48 | davidh | unfo: Do I need to re-start X-chat? |
| 23:53.54 | blahdebla1 | Hi folks. Is there a server-side sync tool for Pocket PC in Debian? |
| 23:54.15 | evaded | ml2: orchid It's looks like it's already 'X11Forwarding yes' |
| 23:54.16 | unfo | davidh: no |
| 23:54.22 | ml2 | _wendell: reassembling still should be possible |
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| 23:54.37 | ml2 | evaded: Without #? |
| 23:54.46 | evaded | ml2: Ah yea ;-) |
| 23:54.48 | _wendell | ml2: Pierre:/home/wendell# mdadm -A /dev/md0 -- mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0 |
| 23:54.50 | stew | _wendell: oh wait. ok, yeah there is a separate superblock for the raid. sorry, ignore what i was saying |
| 23:55.03 | _wendell | stew: Phew. |
| 23:55.32 | orchid | evaded: hmm, try ssh -vX and examine the output |
| 23:55.34 | evaded | ml2: I have restart the ssh server |
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| 23:55.55 | orchid | ahh it was commented :) |
| 23:56.01 | _wendell | ml2: Pierre:/home/wendell# mdadm --examine /dev/sdd -- mdadm: No super block found on /dev/sdd (Expected magic a92b4efc, got 00000000) |
| 23:56.03 | davidh | unfo: I have flood channel now. How do I deliver my bash commmand propt output to you? |
| 23:56.17 | _wendell | ml2: Any ideas? |
| 23:56.31 | ml2 | sdd seems to be partitioned |
| 23:56.48 | _wendell | ml2: Well yeah. |
| 23:56.57 | ml2 | what does fdisk -l /dev/sdd tell you? |
| 23:56.59 | evaded | orchid: ml2 : I get also 'X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication' |
| 23:57.10 | stew | _wendell: do you get that on all the disks or just sdd? |
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| 23:57.34 | _wendell | ml2: sdb sdc sdd and sde are all setup as a RAID5 array -- that I can't assemble because I (apparently stupidly) followed the instructions of dpkg-reconfigure to do an mdadm --zero-superblock on each of them |
| 23:57.40 | _wendell | stew: All. |
| 23:57.44 | jetscreamer | silverex.org |
| 23:57.46 | ml2 | ow |
| 23:57.48 | jetscreamer | ^^^^ |
| 23:57.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: xchat for win32! |
| 23:57.55 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 23:57.59 | jetscreamer | wtf |
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| 23:57.59 | stew | _wendell: did it tell you to do it on each? |
| 23:58.03 | davidh | unfo:??? |
| 23:58.05 | unfo | davidh: copy and paste. |
| 23:58.08 | evaded | ml2 and orchid : So there are an little trouble with the authentication or so? |
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| 23:58.21 | jetscreamer | gah. |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: wrong channel ? :) |
| 23:58.43 | ml2 | evaded: shouldn't be, except you are using su oder sudo |
| 23:58.44 | _wendell | "For doing this, do not start the RAID devices automatically and zero the superblock (mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/xxx). You can then further use 'dpkg-reconfigure mdadm' to activate the autostart feature." |
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| 23:59.01 | jetscreamer | ok why is k3b detecting my dvd writer's dvd+r burn speed wrong? it's 16x, i have 16x dvd's |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | that's wrong ? |
| 23:59.13 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 23:59.16 | evaded | ml2: oder?? |
| 23:59.20 | abrotman | odor! |
| 23:59.33 | orchid | evaded: he meant over |
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| 23:59.43 | ml2 | evaded: just the wrong circuit in brain |
| 23:59.49 | unfo | davidh: cd /dev |
| 23:59.51 | ml2 | I think "or", my hands write "oder" |
| 23:59.53 | evaded | ml2: ;-) |
| 23:59.57 | unfo | davidh: ls usb* |
