| 00:00.19 | monaco | onetinsoldier, I alwaus forget the --initrd ! don't. |
| 00:00.45 | onetinsoldier | beardy: roger that. even tho it's been years i am familiar with the process ;-) |
| 00:00.51 | beardy | monaco: If he chooses to use initrd yes. |
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| 00:01.10 | monaco | beardy, sure |
| 00:01.10 | beardy | onetinsoldier: Ah, I thought it was the first time :) Then you'll sort it out. |
| 00:01.26 | monaco | beardy, he's already a Jedi |
| 00:01.46 | beardy | Well, a padawan perhaps. |
| 00:02.35 | monaco | beardy, may the source be with us |
| 00:02.51 | bztunk | SWATCHZ |
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| 00:03.28 | dli | monaco, most users don't need initrd :) |
| 00:03.43 | beardy | monaco: Yeah. |
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| 00:03.51 | monaco | dli, beardy yah |
| 00:04.14 | kbrooks | WHATS this initrd for |
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| 00:04.21 | beardy | !initrd |
| 00:04.21 | dpkg | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 00:04.29 | Ugly_Duck | nope, still wont find it: VFS: cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 00:04.58 | Ugly_Duck | i have two kernels listed in the grub menu, they both use the same root paths etc, but my 2.6.8 kernel wont boot |
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| 00:05.11 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: Support for your IDE interface? |
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| 00:05.51 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: i've pretty much selected every thing in there now, i cannot find nforce or nforce2 in the kernel configurations |
| 00:05.53 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: And you are sure you have ext2 and ext3 compiled in the kernel? |
| 00:05.55 | monaco | the reason I said --initrd is that if you you make-kpkg with a debian kernel source, by default you get a initrd kernel, and if you forget to generate the initrd.img... you're in trouble |
| 00:06.18 | monaco | at leas that's what happened to me |
| 00:06.20 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: And the reasong you compile your own kernel? |
| 00:06.42 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: nvidia driver support |
| 00:07.12 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: Isn't it enough to compile modules? |
| 00:07.31 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: If you mean the X nvidia driver. |
| 00:07.53 | monaco | Ugly_Duck, yes, there is something in non-free; I think you don't need to compile a kernel |
| 00:07.56 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: with default install kernel it wont allow you to procede untill you have a kernel source |
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| 00:08.13 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: and sound drivers |
| 00:08.14 | monaco | at least for etch, I think |
| 00:08.18 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: So install the source? |
| 00:08.31 | seb- | how come testing REMOVED apility to RUN files from menu? |
| 00:08.36 | seb- | s/ability |
| 00:08.39 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: ALSA is compiled for the Debian kernels. |
| 00:09.25 | monaco | Hey, libc6-686 is recommended for Pentium M (centrino)? |
| 00:09.32 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: where in the menuconfig should i be looking for nforce drivers for my ide controllers |
| 00:10.52 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: Where the other IDE things are. Doesn't the other precompiled kernel work for you? |
| 00:11.34 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: yes it does, but i would like to compile my own |
| 00:12.18 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: For sound, "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" and "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" for nvidia driver, "/msg dpkg nvidia one-liner" and "/msg dpkg nvidia howto" "/msg dpkg listkeys nvidia" |
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| 00:14.23 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: Well, that's fine, and good that you want to learn to compile your own kernel, but don't expect to much help with doing it in here, it's generally not liked, unless you can't get the debian kernels work on your hardware and really need help. |
| 00:15.41 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: I don't remember exactly where the IDE things are, a while since I compiled a kernel / ran menuconfig, but look through each section until you find it, or the ones that seems most likely. |
| 00:15.45 | monaco | Ugly_Duck, beardy is wise. But don't take it as a discouragement. If you are in the mood, go ahead and compile your kernel. |
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| 00:16.13 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: well, when my 2.6.7 kernel boots it loads NFORCE drivers, when my 2.6.8 boots i dont see it loading, i cannot find nforce2 in either the menuconfig or .config |
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| 00:16.27 | hazard_ | I should really stop constructing PCs to process data now....the last 3 haven't had cases.... |
| 00:16.29 | usuario | hi |
| 00:16.45 | usuario | is there anyone from London? |
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| 00:17.25 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: As monaco wisely said, don't be discouraged. Look at the config file for that 2.6.7 kernel? |
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| 00:17.47 | oyster-manu | hallo |
| 00:17.52 | oyster-manu | ich bins nochmal :) |
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| 00:18.13 | mada | i installed testing and the repositories failed during the install so i had to add them by hand, everything appears to be working now but i am having to apt-get virtually an entire system because i only had the base installed when it rebooted, i didn't even have apmd installed (its a laptop) |
| 00:18.15 | oyster-manu | welche option verhindert dass apt-get die signaturen überprüft? |
| 00:18.16 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: is there a program to do a comparison between the two configs and show you the difference? without having to look at 2000 lines? |
| 00:18.21 | beardy | !de |
| 00:18.21 | dpkg | it has been said that de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:18.30 | mada | anyone know of any essentials? i've never had to do a package-by-package install before |
| 00:18.39 | monaco | Ugly_Duck, diff -u ?? |
| 00:18.46 | Ugly_Duck | monaco: thanks |
| 00:18.58 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: man diff, or 'less config' / to search, search nforce2, or use grep(1), man grep |
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| 00:19.56 | usuario | please, does anyone know any london channel? |
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| 00:20.07 | bztunk | usuario: #london? |
| 00:20.13 | beardy | usuario: /msg chanserv list |
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| 00:21.02 | mr_sweettalk | hallo |
| 00:21.19 | usuario | beardy, thank you |
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| 00:21.34 | redblades | Hi, I have a major issue with nautilus |
| 00:21.36 | beardy | usuario: You're welcome. |
| 00:21.38 | redblades | Nautilus has no installed viewer capable of displaying the file. |
| 00:21.46 | huangqi | who am i |
| 00:21.47 | redblades | I can't open my folder |
| 00:21.48 | redblades | s |
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| 00:22.07 | green_earz | Ugly_Duck: a handy method for the kernel config setup is the use the " make oldconfig " tool for the new kernel config. use the kernel config from /boot .all so with the kernel compile the option --initrd |
| 00:22.08 | veamos | is there any 0.95 version of msn available for debian, I mean.. to install it by apt-get ??? |
| 00:22.10 | redblades | I'm starting to panic |
| 00:22.16 | beardy | redblades: It can't view a directory? |
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| 00:22.21 | mr_sweettalk | .ping |
| 00:22.22 | patito2 | hi everybody |
| 00:22.29 | mr_sweettalk | !ping |
| 00:22.30 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:22.30 | monaco | veamos, gaim ? |
| 00:22.32 | redblades | It does the above message for all directories |
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| 00:22.44 | Ugly_Duck | green_earz: done that when i first compiled a kernel, that kernel worked, but did not have support for my sata controller |
| 00:22.49 | mr_sweettalk | g.afternoon |
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| 00:23.09 | beardy | redblades: Sounds very broken.. |
| 00:23.10 | veamos | I'm talking about amsn |
| 00:23.13 | ackzys | where should I go to get started participating in developing open source? |
| 00:23.16 | green_earz | ok |
| 00:23.29 | patito2 | hi monaco |
| 00:23.40 | veamos | is there any 0.95 version of Amsn available for debian, I mean.. to install it by apt-get ??? |
| 00:23.44 | monaco | patito2, hi |
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| 00:23.55 | mr_sweettalk | i have a small question .... I have installed Mutt as a console mail client .. can I use it and configure it to retrieve my mails via pop3 or I should use some linux service to do that for me ? |
| 00:23.59 | bztunk | veamos: try packages.debian.org |
| 00:24.04 | veamos | ok |
| 00:24.07 | bztunk | veamos: specify 'any' |
| 00:24.32 | beardy | ackzys: Find a project you like/want to help, and search for it's webpage using for example google, the projects should have guidelines there to help you get involved. Any particular project/progrma you are interested in? |
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| 00:25.22 | ackzys | beardy: No, I am a beginner. I am familiar with C++ and Java syntax but have little experience. I suppose a smaller project would be a good starting point for me. |
| 00:27.06 | simonrvn | mr_sweettalk: yes. you can if you want |
| 00:27.18 | bztunk | ackzys: find a project that needs improvement, submit code, etc. |
| 00:27.28 | monaco | ackzys, do you have something in mind? |
| 00:27.52 | beardy | ackzys: Here for example, http://www.us.debian.org/devel/join/ if you want to find out how you can help Debian. http://freshmeat.net/ and http://sourceforge.net/ are good starting point to look for projects of interest to you. And they can be searched in various ways. |
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| 00:28.24 | mr_sweettalk | simonrvn what is that mail service ? |
| 00:28.30 | ackzys | beardy: Great, I will start researching there. Thank you! |
| 00:28.45 | veamos | I have installed amsn 0.94. is it so difficult to install the 0.95 version by downloading that package from amsn's webpage? |
| 00:28.47 | beardy | ackzys: Good luck and have fun. :) |
| 00:29.02 | simonrvn | fetchmail usually |
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| 00:29.13 | ackzys | thanks much |
| 00:29.27 | Azar | o/t anyone interested about strace and the GDB Debugger http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-unix-strace.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07GDB |
| 00:29.33 | bztunk | veamos: depends if you want a .deb or if you only want to install it in /usr/local |
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| 00:29.52 | monaco | ackzys, and bear in mind that you'll always can count on support from the free software community. |
| 00:30.04 | monaco | go ahead |
| 00:30.19 | ackzys | excellent point |
| 00:30.43 | mr_sweettalk | the point i was asking about ... with some mail clients like" Thunder bird" you can get your e-mails directly from the mail server .. can I have Mutt do the same ? |
| 00:30.45 | veamos | what's the difference? |
| 00:30.51 | bztunk | mr_sweettalk: yes |
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| 00:30.59 | bztunk | mr_sweettalk: you can specify an imap server |
| 00:31.04 | bztunk | mr_sweettalk: not sure about pop3 |
| 00:31.42 | monaco | mr_sweettalk, also pop3 |
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| 00:31.48 | mr_sweettalk | uhaa, but I can use fetch mail to have the mail in my box and then Mutt will take it from there, no? |
| 00:31.59 | monaco | mr_sweettalk, yes |
| 00:32.16 | j4cbo | i'd like to run debian off of a compactflash disk... ideally i'd have /var and /tmp in tmpfs, with /var flushed to disk on shutdown and restored on boot |
| 00:32.21 | monaco | mr_sweettalk, and you can use procmail to organize it in folders in your local box |
| 00:32.21 | mr_sweettalk | ok good, also pop3 , Thank you for the help .. will take that to Mr Google and see |
| 00:32.27 | SonnyBurnett | Hello, I'm going to buy a DVD-RW Drive, can you recommend me one full compatible with Linux? Maybe I go for "LG" brand |
| 00:32.37 | j4cbo | is there prefab way to do that, or should i write the scripts myself? |
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| 00:32.56 | j4cbo | SonnyBurnett: they should all be equally compatible |
| 00:33.10 | veamos | I've downloaded amsn 0.95 in .deb .. how do I install it? |
| 00:33.20 | monaco | SonnyBurnett, afik most modern CD/DVD RW are compatible |
| 00:33.24 | beardy | SonnyBurnett: Every drive should work fine. |
| 00:33.27 | SonnyBurnett | veamos, dpkg -i $pgk.deb |
| 00:33.51 | SonnyBurnett | Even if it is extern (USB) ? |
| 00:34.06 | beardy | SonnyBurnett: That can make it a bit more troublesome. |
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| 00:34.23 | SonnyBurnett | I forget to tell you that; I want it to be extern |
| 00:34.38 | j4cbo | isn't that just standard USB Mass Storage? |
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| 00:34.52 | SonnyBurnett | I think usb 2.0 |
| 00:34.56 | j4cbo | or does that not do atapi? |
| 00:35.02 | beardy | SonnyBurnett: But it might work just fine, haven't used one. |
| 00:35.04 | bztunk | veamos: dpkg -i <whatever>.deb |
| 00:35.06 | monaco | j4cbo, i guess so, but how xcdroast will handle it? |
| 00:35.07 | dli | j4cbo, I found it's easier to install a custom liveusb |
| 00:35.12 | Red_Cloud | I have installed a program gapcmon v 0.6.1-0 which is a gtk gui for viewing the data of apcupsd which controls / monitors the status of my APC UPS. Gapcmon v 0.8.2-0, which will reside in my systray will not start because of /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by gapcmon). I have located glibc 2.4 package but it is for Fedora or SuSE. Would I be a fool to install this library package on my Debian distro? |
| 00:35.25 | j4cbo | monaco: probably it'll just show up as /dev/sdax |
| 00:35.50 | monaco | j4cbo, well, then it should work in thesis, right? |
| 00:35.53 | dli | j4cbo, there are standard linuxrc scripts to locate your booting device |
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| 00:36.18 | redblades | It might be broken, but I want ot fix nautilus! |
| 00:36.20 | SonnyBurnett | is not the same as have a hdd extern? |
| 00:36.24 | redblades | How do I do that? |
| 00:36.44 | monaco | SonnyBurnett, would you be able to test before bying it? |
| 00:36.53 | j4cbo | dli: booting isn't the problem, i'll use an ide-cf adapter |
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| 00:37.09 | j4cbo | the tough part is /var |
| 00:37.09 | SonnyBurnett | monaco, I dont think so, That products come sealed... |
| 00:37.26 | redblades | Please, somebody help |
| 00:37.36 | redblades | I'm really desperate |
| 00:37.43 | j4cbo | obviously anything written to /var shouldn't go straight to the cf |
| 00:37.48 | j4cbo | redblades: what do you want? |
| 00:37.49 | monaco | redblades, how can we help you? |
| 00:37.56 | redblades | I have a ton of homework and I can't get into my folders! |
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| 00:38.07 | redblades | nautilus gives this messge: Nautilus has no installed viewer capable of displaying the file. |
| 00:38.19 | beardy | monaco: IIRC his nautilus can't view directories. |
| 00:38.21 | monaco | redblades, what file type? |
| 00:38.45 | redblades | I'm not sure I understand |
| 00:38.48 | beardy | (but how can he view the ones he clicks at in the first place..?) |
| 00:38.57 | redblades | I'm on the desktop |
| 00:39.17 | redblades | I click on the icons for folders and this happens |
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| 00:39.24 | monaco | beardy, redblades I'm a little bit confuse... what is the issue? |
| 00:39.28 | redblades | I can' |
| 00:39.35 | redblades | can't open directories |
| 00:39.36 | beardy | redblades: Start nautilus, go to where the files are instead of using the ones on your desktop. |
| 00:39.52 | redblades | start nautilus? |
| 00:40.01 | Ugly_Duck | once i run "make oldconfig" i then use "make menuconfig" to dbl check i got what i need, then compile correct |
| 00:40.08 | beardy | redblades: Yes. |
| 00:40.10 | redblades | how? I didn't realise it was stopped! |
| 00:40.25 | beardy | redblades: Run the program nautilus. |
| 00:40.25 | monaco | Oh man... |
| 00:40.31 | beardy | indeed.. |
| 00:40.33 | mishael | Ugly_Duck: use make-kpkg |
| 00:40.48 | redblades | (nautilus:5882): gnome-vfs-modules-WARNING **: Could not initialize inotify |
| 00:41.02 | Ugly_Duck | mishael: i'm using this howto guide |
| 00:41.03 | Ugly_Duck | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 00:41.09 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.11 | beardy | redblades: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:41.11 | Red_Cloud | package on my Debian distro? |
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| 00:41.29 | redblades | Sarge 3.1 |
| 00:41.44 | monaco | redblades, it seems there may be something wrong with your installation... |
| 00:41.56 | redblades | It was working yesterday |
| 00:42.00 | beardy | redblades: And when did this behavior of nautilus occur, when did you first notice it? |
| 00:42.07 | beardy | redblades: Ok. |
| 00:42.15 | monaco | redblades, have you tried to reboot? (ugly, but...) |
| 00:42.18 | redblades | After I tried to resolve an issue wiith the volume control |
| 00:42.28 | beardy | !restartx |
| 00:42.28 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 00:42.39 | dli | Red_Cloud, how did you installed the gapcmon v 0.8.2-0 |
| 00:42.42 | monaco | dpkg is wise |
| 00:43.49 | Azar | beardy it looks he lost ownership of his directory and folders? |
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| 00:44.44 | beardy | Azar: That is not something that "gets lost" just like that though. |
| 00:44.59 | Red_Cloud | I downloaded and opened up KPackage and opened the rpm file to install. That is the method that I installed gapcmon 0.6.1-0 and also the method that I used to install gapcmon 8.0.2-0 |
| 00:45.03 | beardy | and he disappeared.. |
| 00:45.09 | Azar | beardy: only if someone else kicked him |
| 00:45.27 | dli | Red_Cloud, by alien? |
| 00:45.34 | monaco | beardy, lost connection (maybe he rebooted and will come up with nautilus working :-) |
| 00:45.44 | beardy | Azar: ? He probably restarted X, in which he was running his irc-client. |
| 00:45.49 | beardy | I guess. |
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| 00:46.16 | Azar | yeah |
| 00:46.21 | monaco | beardy, I got some hanging gnome applications because of misconfigured sound deamon... |
| 00:46.40 | Red_Cloud | dll, I used KPagkage |
| 00:46.40 | monaco | he seems to have messed with it |
| 00:47.04 | Azar | bloated applications |
| 00:47.35 | monaco | would anyone by chance have a linux-image.*.deb for Pentum M with suspend patch? |
| 00:47.56 | bztunk | monaco: what does the suspend patch do? |
| 00:48.20 | monaco | bztunk, enables the suspend and hibernation features of some laptops (like win*) |
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| 00:48.39 | Red_Cloud | dll, should I try to install using alien? |
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| 00:49.01 | bztunk | monaco: it doesn't without the patch? |
| 00:49.08 | monaco | anyone has ever tried suspend2 patch for 2.6 ? |
| 00:49.12 | bztunk | monaco: i didnt try it yet with my new laptop :D |
| 00:49.24 | beardy | monaco: Are you saying his nautilus is broken because of misconfigured sound daemon? |
| 00:49.33 | monaco | bztunk, well, it seems that it's not in kernel tree as yet |
| 00:49.48 | monaco | bztunk, but I may be wrong, just check http://www.suspend2.net/ |
| 00:50.08 | dli_ | Red_Cloud, try it, but it should only generate the correct deps of libc6-2.4, not identify the problem, rather than solving it |
| 00:50.18 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: would ya say thats a pretty good howto on compiling a kernel? |
| 00:50.23 | veamos | what's the difference between debian sarge and the other one? |
| 00:50.28 | mishael | redloff: the program isnt available as deb? |
| 00:50.39 | mishael | Red_Cloud: the program isnt available as deb? |
| 00:50.39 | beardy | veamos: "other one"? |
| 00:50.45 | monaco | beardy, well, once a few gnome applications started to hand because they wanted to issue sound events and my sound deamon was broaken... I kelled the sound deamon and voila |
| 00:51.01 | Red_Cloud | mishael, no the package is only available as rpm. |
| 00:51.04 | VolVE | So... nobody has experience with Areca RAID controllers? |
| 00:51.06 | beardy | monaco: Ok, tell him if he comes back. |
| 00:51.21 | Red_Cloud | dll, I will try alien to install glibc 2.4 |
| 00:51.24 | kbrooks | veamos: what "other one"? |
| 00:51.29 | kbrooks | Red_Cloud: Do not. |
| 00:51.41 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: which one? |
| 00:51.42 | kbrooks | Red_Cloud: Do nott do that |
| 00:51.45 | Ugly_Duck | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 00:51.56 | kbrooks | Red_Cloud: youu WILL break your system |
| 00:51.58 | Azar | Ugly_Duck: why do you need a custom kernel? |
| 00:52.05 | monaco | Laptop users: have you ever tried hibernation feature ? |
| 00:52.06 | Red_Cloud | kbrooks, whould I use alien to install the gapcmon version that I would like to use? |
| 00:52.06 | kbrooks | Red_Cloud: i guarantee it |
| 00:52.06 | cusco | whats wrong with debian.hands.com ? |
| 00:52.13 | kbrooks | Red_Cloud: 100% |
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| 00:52.16 | veamos | I don't know really |
| 00:52.21 | kbrooks | Red_Cloud: ? |
| 00:52.25 | veamos | hehe |
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| 00:52.35 | greathector7 | buenas aqui no hablan español? |
| 00:52.41 | Azar | !es |
| 00:52.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:53.02 | SonnyBurnett | does somebody has a "LG 2164D" DVD-RW Drive working on debian? |
| 00:53.06 | Red_Cloud | kbrooks, I do not doubt that you are correct about the glibc version. But would it do any good to try the installation of gapcmon? Or be a wash? |
| 00:53.29 | veamos | when I try to download amsn, I have to choose debian or debian sarge. do you know what I mean? |
| 00:53.42 | |Sivik| | SonnyBurnett: normally ide drives aren't a problem in any os |
| 00:53.50 | dli_ | Red_Cloud, I search packages.debian.org, gapcmon is not in debian yet, search on apt-get.org, or download the source and build your own |
| 00:53.54 | |Sivik| | SonnyBurnett: did you make sure it would work in linux, by doing linux, before you bought it? |
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| 00:54.00 | SonnyBurnett | |Sivik|, is a usb 2.0 drive |
| 00:54.05 | |Sivik| | oh |
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| 00:54.22 | Red_Cloud | dll thanks I will try apt-get.org and see what they have there. |
| 00:54.22 | veamos | anyway.. |
| 00:54.22 | |Sivik| | SonnyBurnett: did you buy it before or after you were already using linux? |
| 00:54.36 | monaco | Guys, one more reboot to test a few kernel hacks... wish me luck. Be back with you ASAP. |
| 00:54.44 | |Sivik| | SonnyBurnett: red http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2006/03/msg00001.html |
| 00:54.47 | |Sivik| | read* |
| 00:55.05 | Red_Cloud | dll & kbrooks thanks for your advise. |
| 00:55.17 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: never knew there was a difference |
| 00:55.17 | Groundy | :-) |
| 00:55.38 | Azar | Ugly_Duck: are you using Debian ... what version, and what kernel are you presently using? |
| 00:55.41 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: 'zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz' Well, that one is for woody, and I don't know if it's good or not.. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/202 debian-administration.org usually have decent articles |
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| 00:56.23 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 00:56.30 | Azar | beardy: I guess he never heard of precompiled kernels |
| 00:56.47 | Azar | Ugly_Duck: and what Debian version? |
| 00:56.47 | |Sivik| | Ugly_Duck: thats a rather old kernel |
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| 00:57.10 | Ugly_Duck | Azar: stable / testing |
| 00:57.16 | veamos | can anybody help me?. I have downloaded amsn-0.95-3 in .deb and when I try to install it.. it gives me a dependency problem about libc6.. si I installed libc6 by apt-get but now, when I try to install amsn.0.95-3, it gives me the same error. |
| 00:57.19 | beardy | Azar: He has, he has been in here earlier today, he knows, but wants to learn to compile his own. |
| 00:57.28 | Azar | Ugly_Duck: you could only run stable or testing, not both |
| 00:57.39 | Azar | beardy: ah I see.. ok |
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| 00:57.46 | SonnyBurnett | |Sivik|, he0s using a very old kernel |
| 00:58.02 | dli_ | veamos, how difficult is that? "apt-get install amsn" |
| 00:58.31 | veamos | it installs amsn-0.94.. and I want amsn-0.95-3 |
| 00:58.33 | Azar | since he is in learning stage, it does not matter how old is the kernel |
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| 00:59.22 | dli_ | veamos, I don't even see amsn-0.94 in debian, don't report fake errors |
| 00:59.32 | beardy | Ugly_Duck: "/msg dpkg kp" in case you forgot it |
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| 00:59.47 | dli_ | veamos, or, sorry, my fault, it's in stable, 0.94-1 |
| 00:59.48 | Azar | veamos: apt gives you only packages ment for your running Debian version. What is not there in apt repositories might be obtain via backports |
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| 01:00.32 | Ugly_Duck | beardy: have the page open and reading it now |
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| 01:01.27 | veamos | dli_ sorry for not knowing exactly the amsn version ¬¬ |
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| 01:02.12 | veamos | Azar: so.. can I download amsn-0.95-3 byt apt-get? |
| 01:02.39 | Azar | veamos: only if that version exist in the apt repositories for your Debian version |
| 01:02.44 | dli_ | veamos, the official amsn release is 0.95 (http://amsn.sourceforge.net/), and it's in debian testing |
| 01:02.56 | veamos | ok |
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| 01:03.12 | Azar | veamos: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:03.27 | dli_ | veamos, the -3 part should be a distribution version, nothing to do with the official amsn version |
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| 01:04.18 | veamos | I downloaded the amsn 0.95-3 package from amsn's official webpage.. and I can't install it, because it gives me a dependency error |
| 01:04.29 | veamos | about glibc6.. |
| 01:04.37 | beardy | veamos: What's wrong with gaim? |
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| 01:04.47 | veamos | I prefer amsn |
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| 01:04.53 | dli_ | veamos, you can either upgrade to debian testing, or find a backport for stable, or go to official amsn page to download the source, and build the .deb yourself |
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| 01:05.31 | Azar | this bug hasn't been yet fixed in Etch: when I close irssi I get: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0811e4d0 *** |
| 01:05.34 | Azar | Aborted (core dumped) |
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| 01:06.00 | beardy | Azar: Is it reported? |
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| 01:06.14 | Azar | beardy: stew told me it was on the works, last month |
| 01:06.27 | beardy | Azar: Ok. |
| 01:06.32 | Groundy | (or change to a different client - like gaim, or a jabber client like Psi or Gaim or Gajim) |
| 01:06.52 | Azar | ew @ messengers |
| 01:06.57 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #358499 |
| 01:07.01 | dpkg | DONE:#358499:N[irssi] irssi attempts to free() invalid pointer on exit; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:48:15 UTC |
| 01:07.05 | dondelelcaro | Azar: see above. |
| 01:07.25 | Azar | thank you dondelecaro :) so what can I do? |
| 01:07.43 | dondelelcaro | Azar: upgrade to the sid version if it can install, or just wait for it to transition? |
| 01:07.50 | dli_ | dondek, or, get the source and debug yourself |
| 01:07.51 | beardy | Azar: Have patience, and don't exit irssi? ;) |
| 01:07.54 | dondelelcaro | Azar: a segfault on exit isn't all that big of a deal. |
| 01:08.02 | ekkikrist | hehehe |
| 01:08.13 | Azar | indeed, is not big deal, thanks |
| 01:08.42 | Azar | :) dondelelcaro in sarge was ok, no segfault, only since I upgraded to Etch |
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| 01:09.06 | dondelelcaro | Azar: right, well, supposedly it's been fixed, so it may be worth it to see if it's regressed or not. |
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| 01:09.39 | Azar | I assume if I try to reinstall irssi it will behave? |
| 01:09.51 | dondelelcaro | Azar: only if you've got the same version that is in sid; |
| 01:10.02 | dondelelcaro | !info irssi testing |
| 01:10.03 | dondelelcaro | !info irssi |
| 01:10.10 | Azar | ah I see :) |
| 01:10.10 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.10-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1035 kB, Installed size: 2800 kB |
| 01:10.13 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1035 kB, Installed size: 2800 kB |
| 01:10.38 | dondelelcaro | Azar: try upgrading to 0.8.10-2, and see if it recurs; if it does, reopen that bug. |
| 01:10.55 | Azar | ok , thanks |
| 01:12.05 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/irssi |
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| 01:16.36 | elisabeta | fuck debian |
| 01:16.39 | elisabeta | fuck lilo |
| 01:16.42 | elisabeta | and fuck freenode |
| 01:16.46 | elisabeta | and fuck yall |
| 01:16.51 | elisabeta | niggers |
| 01:16.53 | jelly-ho | fuck yeah |
| 01:17.36 | elisabeta | lilo is such a faggot |
| 01:17.46 | dli_ | what's going on? |
| 01:17.47 | elisabeta | he slurps semen out of other mens anuses via straw |
| 01:17.50 | jelly-ho | ? |
| 01:17.58 | elisabeta | whats going on? i'm your fucking god |
| 01:18.04 | elisabeta | shut the fuck up |
| 01:18.04 | dli_ | !ops |
| 01:18.04 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 01:18.18 | elisabeta | you are here for my amusement |
| 01:18.23 | elisabeta | now relax your anus |
| 01:18.27 | dli_ | !ops ban elisabeta |
| 01:18.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban elisabeta |
| 01:18.29 | zu22 | !ops $kick these morons |
| 01:18.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: $kick these morons |
| 01:18.42 | elisabeta | !suck my shit |
| 01:18.47 | zu22 | !ops ban jelly-ho |
| 01:18.47 | elisabeta | !suck my shit |
| 01:18.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban jelly-ho |
| 01:19.09 | elisabeta | !fuck yall |
| 01:19.12 | elisabeta | this channel sucks |
| 01:19.15 | elisabeta | and this irc server is shit |
| 01:19.29 | elisabeta | god damn |
| 01:19.33 | elisabeta | i hate rob levan |
| 01:19.37 | elisabeta | hes such a faggot |
| 01:19.57 | Groundy | elisabeta: go vent your anger elsewhere, don't piss of ppl here, just cos you can't get it up |
| 01:20.02 | jelly-ho | wtf is this person going on? |
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| 01:20.06 | florent | elisabeta: I think that you should relax, and take a beer, you seems stressed |
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| 01:20.38 | elisabeta | yea |
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| 01:20.44 | elisabeta | after i urin8 |
| 01:20.47 | zu22 | elisabeta: get lost you moron spammer |
| 01:21.00 | skullsoup | hey abrotman. shogunx asked me to ask you about my video driver. |
| 01:21.06 | Azar | fixed ! :) and the new irssi version is called just "irssi" , not "irssi-text" |
| 01:21.11 | elisabeta | fuck your video driver faggot |
| 01:21.20 | elisabeta | irssi is for limp wrists |
| 01:21.33 | Azar | not nice, elisabeta |
| 01:21.37 | elisabeta | fuck you |
| 01:21.41 | elisabeta | azar is a faggot |
| 01:21.45 | elisabeta | do not listen to him |
| 01:21.47 | Groundy | elisabeta: do you have a Cayman 3000 DSL Router? |
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| 01:21.57 | florent | Azar: use /ignore |
| 01:22.01 | Azar | !ops elisabeta trolls |
| 01:22.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: elisabeta trolls |
| 01:22.03 | Ugly_Duck | eleftherios: Azar is a far better person than you'll ever be |
| 01:22.04 | elisabeta | no, i have a grundlemax 2000 router |
| 01:22.11 | elisabeta | dfglkhadflkghjadlkfghalkdjhfg lkajhfg lkjadhfg lkajdhf glkajdf g |
| 01:22.13 | elisabeta | dajf hglakdjfh lakdjfh glkjahfg lkadjfhglkajdfhg lkajdfhg lkjadfhg alkdfjg afdg |
| 01:22.14 | Groundy | elisabeta: or maybe Netscreen, or maybe Cyberguard |
| 01:22.16 | elisabeta | faGGOTS!!!!! |
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| 01:22.26 | elisabeta | lololololololololololololololololol lllooolll lolol |
| 01:22.28 | Groundy | zzz, /igore |
| 01:22.35 | Ugly_Duck | eleftherios: you're hanging in here, whats that say about you then |
| 01:22.35 | elisabeta | dont try to impress me with you script kiddy skills |
| 01:22.46 | Azar | so thank you dondelecaro, not it got fixed |
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| 01:23.03 | jelly-ho | Ugly_Duck: I think your completion doesn't work very well. |
| 01:23.09 | zu22 | !ops the channel is under attack |
| 01:23.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: the channel is under attack |
| 01:23.13 | bazz | i'm trying to compile the lirc modules for my kernel, but i can't find the kernel-source package for it. what package do i need to get to be able to build them? (i'm running 2.6.12, but i can upgrade if need be) |
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| 01:23.25 | Groundy | elisabeta is under attack you mean, |
| 01:23.27 | elisabeta | nffghkjhsdf;lkjg s;lkdjg;lk sadfjg; lkjadsf;lkg j a;dlkf gj;lakdfjg ;lkdf aj ;lkadfj g;lkkadfj g;lkaj fd;glj asdf;lgkjadf;lg j;dalfgj ;ladf gj;a dfjhb |
| 01:23.27 | Ugly_Duck | jelly-ho: yup, i just pressed tab too many times perhaps |
| 01:23.55 | elisabeta | lhkjbjsdflkg jldf;kjg l;kdjfg;lkj adf;lkja;d fljg ;lkaj g;ljadf g ;lkj dflkkjadf ;lkjag ;lkjga;lskdjfg;lkadfj fg |
| 01:24.03 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.05 | Ugly_Duck | elisabeta: Azar is a far better person than you'll ever be, go find a bridge to jump off |
| 01:24.10 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.10 | Kyral | .... |
| 01:24.13 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.13 | Kyral | someone kill him |
| 01:24.16 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.20 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.22 | dli_ | !ops |
| 01:24.23 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 01:24.24 | zu22 | !lilo elisabeta is spamming the channel |
| 01:24.24 | dpkg | okay, zu22 |
| 01:24.25 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.28 | zu22 | !ops elisabeta is spamming the channel |
| 01:24.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: elisabeta is spamming the channel |
| 01:24.30 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.32 | dli_ | !ops elisabeta is a moron |
| 01:24.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: elisabeta is a moron |
| 01:24.34 | daxxar | Just use ignore, please. :-) |
| 01:24.36 | elisabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.46 | daxxar | For those of us that have ignored the troll you're generating a bunch of spam too. :-P |
| 01:24.46 | Kyral | lol lilo to the rescue |
| 01:24.46 | Azar | nice, thanks |
| 01:24.50 | zu22 | yay the moron is dead kline |
| 01:24.50 | skullsoup | sweet |
| 01:24.56 | Rez | idiots |
| 01:25.19 | dli_ | daxxar, that's why there should be an op |
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| 01:25.25 | daxxar | True that. |
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| 01:25.44 | Rez | dli_: no, sitting with ops doesn't do anything but make them targets for direct harassment |
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| 01:26.03 | zu22 | rez: thanks for helping us |
| 01:26.05 | Groundy | (probably not, limited to 32kbps I think) |
| 01:26.17 | Azar | not very often happens this here, they get bored fast |
| 01:26.35 | zu22 | azar: probably some 13 year old who got grounded for the weekend heh |
| 01:26.45 | Groundy | LOL |
| 01:27.03 | dli_ | Rez, I found the new 2.6 xchat doesn't have an ignore entry when right click on user :( |
| 01:27.24 | Ugly_Duck | dli_: can you not make that entry for ya self ? |
| 01:27.43 | Azar | dli_: that's the beauty with irssi: no clicks, just commands |
| 01:27.51 | dli_ | Ugly_Duck, got to read :( |
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| 01:28.06 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.09 | dli_ | Azar, you can do commands with xchat, the same? what's the point |
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| 01:28.35 | Azar | dli_: I would guess is same, as /query , /join, /quit |
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| 01:29.12 | bernat | en español?? |
| 01:29.17 | Azar | !es |
| 01:29.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:29.21 | bernat | debian en español?? |
| 01:29.27 | bernat | gracias |
| 01:29.51 | bernat | muchas gracias |
| 01:29.53 | bernat | bye |
| 01:29.55 | Azar | con gusto |
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| 01:32.03 | dli_ | someone help me to add an ignore menu entry over user list? |
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| 01:32.24 | unity | hom can i mount an ipod? i am using "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/ipod" and i get an io error and a bad superblock can't read boot sector, stuff like that |
| 01:32.45 | qbit | give it a slice to mount .. /dev/sda2 |
| 01:32.47 | qbit | something like that |
| 01:32.55 | qbit | fdisk should show you the partitions |
| 01:33.16 | dbe | fdisk -l /dev/sda2 |
| 01:33.18 | Ugly_Duck | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 01:33.32 | Groundy | I'd guess it's partition 1 |
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| 01:33.48 | qbit | 1 generally has stuff for the apple boot code |
| 01:33.49 | Ugly_Duck | hehehe |
| 01:34.02 | qbit | except on the nano .. i think |
| 01:34.19 | Red_Cloud | dll, I absolutely love the alien program. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! |
| 01:34.19 | Groundy | heh, |
| 01:34.48 | Groundy | Red_Cloud: what you installing via alien that you can't find a deb for? |
| 01:34.56 | unity | qbit: i get the same error, just on a different sector |
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| 01:36.04 | Red_Cloud | Groundy, the earlier version of gapcmon which works with etch. I converted it to deb and installed it. It works fine. |
| 01:36.18 | unity | qbit: and fdisk shows me buffer i/o error on sectors 0-15 |
| 01:36.47 | dli | good, xchat-gnome has an ignore entry |
| 01:36.56 | veamos | how do I move a file by terminal? |
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| 01:37.26 | veamos | wich command do I have to use? |
| 01:37.31 | veamos | which.. |
| 01:37.34 | dli | veamos: "mv foo-src foo-dst", "man mv" |
| 01:37.38 | veamos | thanks |
| 01:38.11 | Groundy | Red_Cloud: hmm, speaking of which I need to install the new UPS software on my server too, |
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| 01:39.16 | two|face | so I booted into recovery mode right, I need to edit a file, so I tried umounting hda2 then remounting it in a writeable mode, but when I go to rmount it says that /etc/mtab still has it mounted |
| 01:39.22 | two|face | any ideas? |
| 01:39.25 | Red_Cloud | Groundy I use apcupsd. Am very happy with it. The gapcmon is merely a tool to view the information provided by apcupsd. It is very convenient. |
| 01:39.38 | two|face | I made a wrong edit to a file and now I need to unedit it so I can do a normal boot |
| 01:40.18 | Groundy | Red_Cloud: The UPS is connected to an exisiting win32 box, with the daemon etc loaded, (which I can't touch), so I've got to find some software that'll interface with it, |
| 01:40.34 | Groundy | Red_Cloud: with the preeevious ups there was a linux build, |
| 01:40.56 | komegente | there is a spanish channel in this server? i newbie |
| 01:41.00 | Coweater | does xinerama/X allow for displays to be added and removed without restarting X? |
| 01:41.05 | lordnazgul | !es |
| 01:41.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:41.17 | qbit | Coweater: i don't think so |
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| 01:41.53 | sid | !tell komegente about es |
| 01:42.09 | Groundy | nite all, |
| 01:42.21 | vik | Is there a way I can log which processes access the filesystem and when? |
| 01:42.37 | Red_Cloud | Groundy, if you have remote access to win32, I believe that apcupsd will monitor. |
| 01:42.52 | sid | !tell vik about tripwire |
| 01:43.04 | Groundy | Red_Cloud: yea, but there's existing software loaded already which i can't change |
| 01:43.23 | qbit | vlk lsof will give ya some info .. not sure about logging tho |
| 01:43.47 | qbit | sorry .. s/vlk/vik |
| 01:44.11 | komegente | thanks im right now in #debian-es |
| 01:44.19 | komegente | bye |
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| 01:45.41 | vik | qbit: thanks, tried that already; I need something which actually tells me when the files get accessed. |
| 01:45.55 | astsubay__24 | /nick dagestan |
| 01:46.21 | qbit | vik: might look into grsecurity.. it's a bit over blown for just doing that .. but for sure will allow it .. |
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| 01:48.25 | talaok | hi |
| 01:48.26 | talaok | i want to change the location for /etc/passwd to another place is this possible ? |
| 01:48.30 | lordnazgul | vtk. you might also want to flip throught the securing debian manual at debian.org |
| 01:49.36 | minerale | how do I burn a .bin .cue combo? |
| 01:50.10 | qbit | talaok: for all intents and purposes it would be too much work.. why do you want to change it? ( just curious ) |
| 01:50.25 | vik | it's less about security and more about quietening down the system by stopping the hard disk. But I can't track down the process/es that's accessing it. |
| 01:50.36 | talaok | they change my pass all time my friends |
| 01:50.46 | talaok | so plz help me |
| 01:50.54 | qbit | minerale: cdrecord will do it |
| 01:51.13 | qbit | talaok: my best advice is to not give them access and make a better password :P |
| 01:51.42 | talaok | i dont give them access they put live cd and remove the x from my root on /etc/passwd |
| 01:51.50 | talaok | and they enter without passwd |
| 01:51.58 | talaok | did u understand now what happen |
| 01:52.08 | vik | talaok: use a BIOS password? |
| 01:52.20 | sid | How do I allow a user to read all files without giving them root? |
| 01:52.25 | qbit | and disable boot from cd |
| 01:52.50 | talaok | i disable it and they use usb :S |
| 01:53.03 | talaok | and they disable the bios pass 2 :S |
| 01:53.09 | talaok | they are hackers |
| 01:53.32 | qbit | vik: he.. solder the batt to you mobo :P |
| 01:53.38 | qbit | er .. not vik sorry |
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| 01:54.18 | qbit | talaok: sounds like you should just keep your friends out of your house.. |
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| 01:54.24 | Azar | talaok: "they" as in black helicopters? |
| 01:54.27 | vik | talaok: perhaps disable usb booting and put a lock on the case. |
| 01:54.44 | talaok | yes like in mib |
| 01:54.45 | talaok | lol |
| 01:55.08 | vik | talaok: or you could encrypt the filesystem |
| 01:55.41 | Azar | talaok: what operating system are you using? |
| 01:55.42 | talaok | encrypt what that ? |
| 01:55.51 | talaok | linux debian |
| 01:56.17 | Azar | use fail2ban after you change the password |
| 01:56.24 | vik | talaok: the entire partition |
| 01:56.33 | talaok | ok what this do ? |
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| 01:57.02 | Azar | it will allow only 2 or 3 or 4 tries to login with right password then will block them |
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| 01:57.39 | Azar | ..and will block you too :) |
| 01:57.40 | talaok | ok 10x |
| 01:58.52 | inetd | any of you use hardware raid? |
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| 01:58.54 | Crissi | hi |
| 01:58.58 | vik | Azar: but that won't really help talaok's problem |
| 01:59.01 | Azar | oh now I noticed I am in debian-overflow |
| 01:59.14 | Azar | vik, not quite |
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| 01:59.38 | Azar | vik I use removable racks for my HD and it has a lock too |
| 01:59.52 | qbit | vik: for i in `ps aux | awk '{print $2}'`; do lsof +p $i; sleep 1; done <--- will run thru every pid displaying all the open files it has |
| 02:00.10 | Crissi | i use debian unstable and try to compile a latex document. the ams classes are missing and i find no package anymore (another old debian system had it).. where i get it as debian package? |
| 02:00.14 | qbit | increase the sleep if you want more time to investigate the files |
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| 02:01.23 | Azar | Crissi: if you know the name you could google for it, "pagkagename" in Debian Sid |
| 02:01.31 | vik | qbit: not that interested in open files; more files which are being accessed (i.e. reads and writes to files) |
| 02:01.50 | Crissi | i had tried but not found an exact hint |
| 02:02.42 | Crissi | amslatex |
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| 02:05.18 | qbit | vik: you will need something that hooks the kernel in that case.. the lsof trick will probably help narow it down.. being files can't be read or written to without being opened first .. |
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| 02:06.11 | qbit | bbl.. movie time :D |
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| 02:07.50 | vik | qbit : thanks; enjoy movie |
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| 02:12.16 | sid | !start a distro war |
| 02:12.17 | dpkg | Kubuntu rocks! |
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| 02:15.03 | Rothgar` | kernel: atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program, like XFree86, might be trying access hardware directly. |
| 02:15.27 | Rothgar` | Could this be somehow caused by me moving to another machine on my KVM switch for awhile? |
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| 02:16.39 | mada | why would a kernel hang when the ethernet interface is up? |
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| 02:17.12 | mada | during the kernel boot it hangs when eth0 is brought up |
| 02:17.42 | vik | sid: what filesystem are you running for your permissions problem? |
| 02:17.43 | mada | nvm |
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| 02:17.51 | epictetus | mada: I can think of a few reasons. |
| 02:17.54 | epictetus | oh |
| 02:17.55 | epictetus | he left |
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| 02:18.21 | sid | vik: ext3 |
| 02:18.49 | vik | sid: Well that's not good then |
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| 02:19.22 | Azar | sid: define "all files" |
| 02:20.13 | sid | Azar: _all_ files. |
| 02:20.17 | Azar | sid say I have games, and I want to share them with other users: the answer is groups: adduser username games |
| 02:20.21 | redblades | Hi, I just reinstalled Debian after a rather nasty Nautilus issue |
| 02:20.35 | redblades | I was wondering, how do I add my second hard drive? |
| 02:20.36 | Azar | sid then just give them root password and you are done |
| 02:20.47 | sid | redblades: plug it in, reboot. And check "fdisk -l" |
| 02:20.53 | Azar | they will see/use "all" files |
| 02:20.53 | vik | sid: for what purpose? |
| 02:21.01 | sid | redblades: df -h...see if the hdd is formatted...if not do mkfs.ext3 /dev/???? |
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| 02:21.44 | Azar | sid add them to the wheel group from where they can su in |
| 02:21.55 | sid | vik / Azar I want to copy all files with rsync...with a remote script |
| 02:21.58 | Azar | which is same thing: they need the root password |
| 02:22.20 | Azar | ah this is another thing, I have no idea |
| 02:22.44 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.46 | vik | sid: you could chmod +s rsync. It's a bit dangerous though |
| 02:22.46 | redblades | hdb1 ? |
| 02:23.02 | sid | redblades: put "df -h; fdisk -l;" onto http://debian.pastebin.com |
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| 02:23.28 | sid | redblades: And I'll tell you what is going on with your hdds |
| 02:23.33 | redblades | with ;? |
| 02:23.41 | lordnazgul | humbolt mount /t vfat /hda2 /windows |
| 02:23.46 | lordnazgul | *-t |
| 02:24.05 | sid | redblades: yes |
| 02:24.16 | Azar | redblades: look at fstab see if isn't already there |
| 02:24.17 | lordnazgul | oops humpolt i thought you sed partition. not share my bad |
| 02:24.47 | redblades | pastebin is slow |
| 02:24.52 | Azar | redblades: cat /etc/fstab |
| 02:24.53 | redblades | very slow |
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| 02:25.21 | sid | ê 2 |
| 02:25.27 | redblades | /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 02:25.27 | redblades | /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 02:25.31 | Azar | yes , gnome is bloated and slow |
| 02:25.41 | redblades | The rest are floppys and CDS |
| 02:25.44 | redblades | I like Gnome |
| 02:25.46 | Azar | no swap space? |
| 02:25.50 | Azar | yay nice |
| 02:26.00 | kbrooks | bbl |
| 02:26.12 | redblades | That's odd... I was sure I had swap space |
| 02:26.17 | Azar | redblades: you did not assigned a space for swap? |
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| 02:26.33 | redblades | I did it with guided partitioning |
| 02:26.38 | humbolt | lordnazgul: ha ha |
| 02:26.41 | redblades | I said I had a swap partition |
| 02:27.05 | Azar | ok |
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| 02:27.32 | humbolt | using smb:// ioslave in kde is fine but does need to copy every file before being able to do anything with it. |
| 02:27.34 | humbolt | sucks |
| 02:27.54 | veamos | is there any good app to download mp3s? |
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| 02:28.04 | lordnazgul | humbolt i've never had any problems just using smbmount |
| 02:28.06 | redblades | veamos? |
| 02:28.10 | veamos | not bittorrent please |
| 02:28.16 | redblades | Have you used BitTo |
| 02:28.18 | redblades | ... |
| 02:28.28 | lordnazgul | veamos, check out dc++ |
| 02:28.50 | redblades | ummm... try LimeWire then it has tons of viruses though... or FrostWire same issue though |
| 02:28.55 | veamos | is it to download music? |
| 02:28.58 | Ugly_Duck | linucdcpp |
| 02:29.03 | Ugly_Duck | linuxdcpp |
| 02:29.12 | humbolt | lordnazgul: It screws up charsets! Especially if there are '`"-+ involved |
| 02:29.13 | redblades | Lime- and Frost Wire are |
| 02:29.28 | redblades | sid? |
| 02:29.36 | lordnazgul | humbolt gotcha, dont have any filenames with funky chars in em |
| 02:30.14 | lordnazgul | dc++ (direct connect) is just a p2p filesharing protocol, you can find all sorts of stuff |
| 02:30.22 | Ugly_Duck | dc++ = linuxdcpp |
| 02:30.34 | lordnazgul | uglyduck nice to know |
| 02:31.31 | sid | redblades: Where is my pastebin link? |
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| 02:32.16 | dli | anyway to generate a gnome menu from console, without starting gnome |
| 02:32.20 | Detox | //join #libranet |
| 02:32.51 | redblades | It's taking ages |
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| 02:34.00 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 02:34.00 | dpkg | hmm... tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 02:34.09 | redblades | http://debian.pastebin.com/716325 |
| 02:34.13 | redblades | sid ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 |
| 02:34.16 | redblades | -6 |
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| 02:35.21 | Azar | sid I like lbreakout2 better |
| 02:35.38 | sid | redblades: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
| 02:36.35 | deejoe | so, my little 4-port linksys 10/100 switch shows 10Mbps, half-duplex link to my alpha when I power on the alpha and it boots into sarge. But as soon as I "ifup eth0" the link dies--no link light on either end anymore. What's up with *that*? |
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| 02:37.09 | knirps | Is there a easy way to change the refresh rate of my monitor? I'm not using X |
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| 02:37.28 | sid | redblades: Then you need to add a line in /etc/fstab (like the line for /dev/hda1) except for /dev/hdb1 |
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| 02:38.43 | redblades | Exactl;y what do I type? |
| 02:38.52 | epictetus | knirps: svgatextmode is one one |
| 02:39.00 | epictetus | knirps: using a framebuffer driver is another one |
| 02:39.15 | Azar | hey enigma finally works for me |
| 02:39.15 | epictetus | two ways |
| 02:39.25 | epictetus | both not without their risks and problems |
| 02:39.42 | redblades | Sid? |
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| 02:39.51 | sid | redblades: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
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| 02:42.12 | redblades | I meant, what do I add to fstab? |
| 02:42.38 | sanmarcos | Hello, I am trobuled, when I try to boot into my system with a stock image kernel, I get stuck at Uncompressing Linux... Ok booting the kernel (even in single user) mode, this this not happen in older kernels, just now that it switched to initramfs-tools (i think), any ideas? |
| 02:43.37 | Ugly_Duck | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 02:43.37 | Ugly_Duck | 2.6.8 on running kernel 2.6.7-1-386 in mkinitrd mkinitrd.yaird |
| 02:43.45 | Ugly_Duck | yaird is installed? |
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| 02:44.46 | redblades | sid? Is that what I add to fstab? |
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| 02:45.20 | Azar | sanmarcos you happen to run Debian sid? |
| 02:45.28 | sanmarcos | Azar: yes |
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| 02:45.39 | sanmarcos | Azar: ever since .12 |
| 02:45.57 | Azar | sanmarcos: well I have no other knowledge about sid that it is unstable and... behaves unstable meaning it breaks |
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| 02:46.19 | sanmarcos | Azar: thank you, you were very helpful |
| 02:46.37 | sid | redblades: no...type that as root. |
| 02:46.38 | knirps | SVGATextMode says I am using a frame buffer |
| 02:46.42 | redblades | oh |
| 02:46.43 | Ugly_Duck | fu*king thing |
| 02:46.44 | Azar | sanmarcos: usually people who are very expert in Debian stuff are fixing this, or if unexperienced, reinstall |
| 02:46.57 | sanmarcos | right |
| 02:46.58 | sid | redblades: Then type "mkdir /drive2; mount /dev/hdb1 /drive2; |
| 02:47.00 | sid | " |
| 02:47.19 | redblades | I am root! |
| 02:47.22 | dondelelcaro | Ugly_Duck: you may only have mkinitrd, not yaird installed; try installing yaird. |
| 02:47.34 | redblades | It says "are you sure you specified it correctly"! |
| 02:47.46 | redblades | Okay, do I add anything to fstab? |
| 02:48.07 | Ugly_Duck | dondelelcaro: i installed it a second ago |
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| 02:48.48 | Ugly_Duck | dondelelcaro: there is no mkinitrd package |
| 02:49.01 | dondelelcaro | Ugly_Duck: it's initrd-tools or something. |
| 02:49.02 | knirps | how can I tell which frame buffer support I am using? |
| 02:49.16 | redblades | /dev/hdb1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 02:49.20 | redblades | Is that it? |
| 02:49.26 | Ugly_Duck | cheers |
| 02:49.27 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: most likely that kernel is for the wrong architecture, or is somehow corrupted. |
| 02:49.27 | redblades | Somebody say something |
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| 02:49.54 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: use your old kernel to boot, and reinstall the kernel, or otherwise check that it's the right kernel. |
| 02:49.58 | gpm | !beer me |
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| 02:50.10 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: hmm OHH |
| 02:50.11 | Ugly_Duck | wish me luck |
| 02:50.13 | gpm | a liter!!!? hot damn |
| 02:50.18 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: thank you! man, life saver |
| 02:50.35 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: thats what happens when you use too many machines, I was using a k7 on an i386 |
| 02:50.45 | liable | redblades: something |
| 02:51.08 | dli | which package for gnome auto-mounter? |
| 02:51.12 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: ah, yeah... that'd do it. |
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| 02:51.25 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: cool, glad that fixed it. |
| 02:51.34 | sid | redblades: Put your /etc/fstab file and "df -h" command output on http://debian.pastebin.com |
| 02:51.57 | liable | dondelelcaro: gnome-volume-manager iirc |
| 02:52.01 | gpm | yes |
| 02:52.03 | liable | erm |
| 02:52.08 | liable | dli: ^^ |
| 02:52.13 | dli | liable: thanks :) |
| 02:52.36 | dsherret | I'm running a web server on my debian machine, when all of a sudden about an hour ago the internet stopped working on it. The light was still on, on my router saying that it was plugged in, but it wouldn't work. So I switched the network with another network card, and it still doesn't work. What is the command to check my network settings again? |
| 02:53.40 | dsherret | (sorry for asking such a simple question, but my google skills are not as good as others) |
| 02:53.42 | dli | dsherret: "route", "ping", "arping" |
| 02:53.43 | redblades | http://debian.pastebin.com/716351 |
| 02:53.47 | redblades | Sid ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:53.51 | dsherret | dli: thank you |
| 02:53.55 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: a P3 is i686 right? |
| 02:54.20 | dli | sanmarcos: pii is i686 |
| 02:54.57 | sid | redblades: type this as root. "mkdir /drive2; mount /dev/hdb1 /drive2;" |
| 02:55.05 | knirps | Can anyone help me change the refresh rate for my monitor? |
| 02:55.09 | liable | dsherret: and ifconfig :) |
| 02:55.14 | dsherret | yeah, i can't even ping the gateway |
| 02:55.18 | liable | !drxx knirps |
| 02:55.19 | dpkg | knirps: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:55.27 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yes. |
| 02:55.29 | knirps | I'm not running x |
| 02:55.30 | dli | dsherret: arping |
| 02:55.35 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: well, close enough not ot matter. |
| 02:55.43 | dsherret | dli: that command does not exist on mine |
| 02:56.00 | dsherret | and in ifconfig everything seems to be fine |
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| 02:56.16 | liable | dsherret: route? |
| 02:56.18 | dli | dsherret: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 02:56.24 | redblades | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 02:56.29 | redblades | sid |
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| 02:56.50 | Azar | knirps: you are not running x but do you have x-server installed? |
| 02:57.12 | veamos | is there any music player that plays music from urls? |
| 02:57.25 | dsherret | dli: does not solve the problem |
| 02:57.28 | sanmarcos | what is a -server kernel? |
| 02:57.33 | sanmarcos | i am running a server, a P3, does it have any advatnages over i686? |
| 02:57.44 | dli | dsherret: never say "doesn't work", be specific |
| 02:57.52 | dsherret | liable: I have a static ip so it just displays the server, but when i ping it I have 100 percent packet loss |
| 02:57.53 | sanmarcos | what is a -server kernel? i am running a server, a P3, does it have any advatnages over i686? |
| 02:57.58 | sanmarcos | sorry if i repeated, i had lag |
| 02:58.11 | dsherret | dli: Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. |
| 02:58.22 | dsherret | reconfigure network interfaces... ifup: interface lo already configured |
| 02:58.23 | dsherret | done |
| 02:58.39 | redblades | sid ? |
| 02:58.41 | dsherret | (sorry, i can't cut and paste, i'm reading off the other screen) |
| 02:58.55 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: you mean vserver? |
| 02:59.25 | dsherret | btw, my network ip address is static |
| 02:59.28 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 02:59.31 | epictetus | knirps: are you running a framebuffer driver? If so there is fbset, but if you are a regular old vesafb fbset won't work, you can only set mode at boot time with a special kernel parameter |
| 02:59.48 | epictetus | there are specific drivers for different video cards that will work great with fbset |
| 02:59.56 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: you only want that if you're running a virtual server; you almost definetly aren't, so pick one of the i686 kernels. |
| 03:00.24 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: thanks!, I thought there were server kernels, at least in ubuntu |
| 03:00.28 | dsherret | dli: how could I set my LAN ip back to being dynamic? Maybe that would solve it... |
| 03:00.45 | dli | dsherret: run, "dhclient" |
| 03:01.07 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: I have no iea what kernels ubuntu has. |
| 03:01.08 | dli | dsherret: could it be a firewall problem? disable all firewall now |
| 03:01.37 | dsherret | no firewalls exist between the computer and the gateway |
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| 03:01.56 | dsherret | only the gateway and the internet.. |
| 03:02.09 | dsherret | but it doesn't even connect onto the network |
| 03:02.13 | Doctor | whats a good streaming audio player for console? |
| 03:02.22 | dsherret | "dhclient: command not found" |
| 03:02.51 | dli | dsherret: you don't have dhcp client, still try "dhcpcd", "pump" |
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| 03:03.24 | Mido51 | hi all |
| 03:03.25 | dli | dsherret: check your dmesg or syslog/messages |
| 03:03.27 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelServerRoadmap ahh (handling both ubuntu and debian systems is driving me nuts), thanks for your help! |
| 03:03.35 | dsherret | dli: dhcpcd does not exists, but pump does and it says "Operation failed" |
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| 03:04.49 | dondelelcaro | well, I probably could find out by asking one of the Ubuntu Developers here, but admitedly, I could care less what kernels ubuntu has that Debian doesn't. |
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| 03:05.18 | dsherret | dli: I don't think I have a syslog server... |
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| 03:05.41 | dsherret | i'm checking my dmesg though |
| 03:05.48 | dli | dsherret: set up your static IP first |
| 03:06.03 | dsherret | dli: it's already static |
| 03:06.09 | dli | dsherret: check the led lights on your NIC card |
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| 03:06.23 | sid | awesome find Azar |
| 03:06.24 | sid | thanks |
| 03:06.25 | dli | dsherret: "ifconfig -a", "route" to double check IP |
| 03:06.40 | dsherret | dli: the light is off |
| 03:06.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:07.00 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> DEBCONF VIDEOS: http://debconf6.debconf.org/about/schedule/ | xorg 7.0 UNSTABLE: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 03:07.10 | dsherret | should i try another network card? |
| 03:07.12 | dli | dsherret: then, trace your jack, cable, everything |
| 03:07.13 | dondelelcaro | diff: Add links to debconf videos. |
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| 03:07.46 | dli | dsherret: if you have the kernel driver for your card already, it's not likely a card problem |
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| 03:07.56 | acetech | how can i tell if i have acpi and apm support on my motherboard? it is an asus k8n board. |
| 03:08.01 | sprink | how do I change my monitors refresh rate if I'm using a frame buffer? |
| 03:08.15 | dsherret | dli: i feel soo stupid |
| 03:08.27 | dli | dsherret: sounds like |
| 03:08.28 | dsherret | dli: it must have come unplugged from the router |
| 03:08.42 | dsherret | but it was only a little bit out |
| 03:08.57 | dsherret | sorry about that :( |
| 03:09.02 | dsherret | thanks for your help though |
| 03:09.10 | dli | dsherret: no problem |
| 03:09.20 | dsherret | thanks dli |
| 03:09.21 | dli | dsherret: time to install arping |
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| 03:09.37 | dsherret | dli: yeah lol |
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| 03:09.51 | Mido51 | fuck all of u |
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| 03:11.21 | dsherret | thanks a lot again |
| 03:11.24 | sanmarcos | what is the default debian .bashrc? |
| 03:11.31 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: see /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 03:11.39 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: you are the man |
| 03:11.58 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 03:13.09 | Azar | dondelecaro: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/60729/index.html |
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| 03:18.27 | ding0k | If I'm looking to install Sid on a powerpc...where could I download a debian installer image from ? |
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| 03:20.42 | sprink | Last time.. Can anyone tell me how to adjust my refresh rate in console mode? I seem to be using vesa vga |
| 03:21.13 | liable | ding0k: debian.org, though done expect to find sid installers. |
| 03:21.20 | liable | s/done/dont/ |
| 03:21.53 | dondelelcaro | Azar: right, I was asked about the schedule location befor ethat message was drafted... |
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| 03:24.55 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 03:25.37 | ming | i am trying to get my wireless card working with my wireless network, can some one tell me how to config my kernel to do this? or do i even need to? i have a Linksys WPC11 wireless card connect to my computer |
| 03:25.45 | Azar | o/t I am a VIA user on all my boxes, so sad that I see it does not comply with the GPL requirements, I guess I will have to switch to another manufacturer next year. |
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| 03:27.01 | sanmarcos | is there any way to check if my network card died¿ |
| 03:29.31 | liable | ming: you need to google to find drivers for it firstly, then come back if you have problems installing them. |
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| 03:29.48 | ming | ok |
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| 03:31.19 | sanmarcos | hmm it isnt dead |
| 03:31.37 | sanmarcos | but my system tries to load 81389cp by default, when the driver is 8139too, else it wont work. Any way to change this? |
| 03:31.57 | liable | ming: the lspci output for it ia usually a good place to start |
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| 03:34.04 | aredhel | sanmarcos, you need to blacklist 81389cp. /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 03:34.16 | sanmarcos | aredhel: using udev? |
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| 03:35.58 | ming | k thanks |
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| 03:40.14 | acetech | is misdn-modules-2.6.16-1-k7 the source for the 2.6 debian kernel with patches? |
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| 03:42.56 | sid | If someone buys a windows laptop with a 64 bit processor...and they're running 32 bit windows...are they using the power of their machine? |
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| 03:44.58 | sanmarcos | how can i make the first column wider in dpkg -l¿ |
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| 03:47.33 | aredhel | sandman, man dpkg-query, and look at --show and --showformat |
| 03:47.54 | aredhel | sanmarcos, , man dpkg-query, and look at --show and --showformat |
| 03:48.01 | no0ke | is it possible to install xgl? |
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| 03:48.52 | sanmarcos | aredhel: or COLUMNS |
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| 03:50.04 | aredhel | sanmarcos, that too, the easy way to set COLUMNS is just to make your xterm bigger. |
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| 03:50.56 | sanmarcos | aredhel: npt using xterm :) |
| 03:51.02 | sanmarcos | or x :) |
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| 03:52.23 | Azidrain | Hi there |
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| 03:53.16 | aredhel | sanmarcos, "dpkg -l |less" works too. |
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| 03:53.58 | Azidrain | can someone give an advice? |
| 03:54.38 | sanmarcos | aredhel: oh, cool |
| 03:55.03 | acetech | how can i tell if i have acpi and apm support on my motherboard? it is an asus k8n board. |
| 03:55.25 | sanmarcos | acetech: probably both, apm legacy though. Id go with acpi |
| 03:55.31 | unix_infidel | what's the chipset? |
| 03:55.37 | sanmarcos | how can I do something to some files, excluding one? |
| 03:55.49 | sanmarcos | like POSIX regex [^] ? |
| 03:55.56 | acetech | sanmacros: i was not sure if this was only supported in laptops |
| 03:56.43 | sanmarcos | acetech: acpi is definately supported by laptops |
| 03:56.47 | sanmarcos | checkout gnome-power-manager |
| 03:56.55 | sanmarcos | not sure if Sarge configures it by default |
| 03:56.59 | sanmarcos | but stock kernels should do |
| 03:57.08 | acetech | sanmacros: i have a desktop |
| 03:57.09 | no0ke | !mirror |
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| 03:57.14 | no0ke | !mirrors |
| 03:57.14 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 04:02.33 | vik | how can I change the default gcc to gcc-3.4 without uninstalling gcc-4 ? |
| 04:02.51 | liable | acetech: read the kernel log, see if theres any acpi messages (would be very surprised if there isnt) |
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| 04:03.44 | dli | debian should have something like gcc-config, java-config :( |
| 04:03.49 | acetech | liable: do i just do that with the command dmesg? |
| 04:03.58 | dli | vik: otherwise, you have to make the links yourself |
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| 04:05.15 | liable | acetech: yeah dmesg sgould show it, or look in /var/log |
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| 04:06.15 | liable | vik: temporarily or perminantly? |
| 04:06.36 | vik | liable: temporarily is OK. Need to recompile kernel using 3.4 |
| 04:06.54 | liable | export CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 04:07.06 | liable | vik: or set it in the makefile |
| 04:07.13 | liable | erm, |
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| 04:07.34 | vik | liable : WIll the top level Makefile cover all of them? |
| 04:07.42 | liable | vik: man make-kpkg |
| 04:07.54 | acetech | liable: awesome it is in there... thank you for pointing that out to me :) |
| 04:08.10 | liable | acetech: yw |
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| 04:09.26 | vik | liable: heh - was just looking at that |
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| 04:20.22 | sanmarcos | streuner: still there? |
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| 04:20.37 | redblades | Hi, how do I decompress a .wal? |
| 04:21.00 | sanmarcos | what does this mean "mount clntudp_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive" ? |
| 04:21.05 | sanmarcos | when doing showmount remotehost |
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| 04:23.34 | minerale | is units a gnu application ? |
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| 04:25.51 | no0ke | can someone send me their sources.list? |
| 04:25.54 | dondelelcaro | minerale: yes. |
| 04:25.58 | no0ke | i messed up mine |
| 04:25.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell no0ke -about sources.list |
| 04:26.42 | johnsu01 | minerale: You can generally find the answer to questions like that at directory.fsf.org, which says it the program is gnu or not. |
| 04:26.47 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: do you mind If i ask you something about nfs? |
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| 04:27.52 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: sure, I'm working on other stuff, so I may not be able to answer right away.... best ot just ask in here. |
| 04:27.58 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: I've been having problems with a server that does not permit connections from clients (mount, showmount, rcpinfo), etc, all connection refused, unable to receive, whatever. I checked something out, ps ax|grep portmap says "/sbin/portmap -i 127.0.0.1", I believe that might be the problem |
| 04:28.09 | sanmarcos | since the client for example does not specifically specify loopback |
| 04:28.17 | nomasteryoda | does someone know what I need to do to make my Atheros PCMCIA card work with debian? |
| 04:28.22 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yeah, you need to edit /etc/default/portmap and tell it to listen on 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:28.30 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: thank you very much :) |
| 04:28.41 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: the default is to listen only on localhost, because that's teh right place for non-nfs servers to have portmap listening on. |
| 04:29.25 | sanmarcos | dondek: i just removed the OPTIONS line all together |
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| 04:29.42 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: ahh, that might trouble some nfs users, though |
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| 04:30.56 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: nah, NFS users only want portmap running on 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:31.20 | liable | nomasteryoda: get the madwifi drivers for it |
| 04:31.59 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: how does it accept remote mounts then? |
| 04:31.59 | nomasteryoda | ok |
| 04:32.16 | nomasteryoda | liable, is it a deb package? |
| 04:32.23 | nomasteryoda | or do I have to compile it |
| 04:32.35 | liable | nomasteryoda: theres also a good newbie doc on madwifi.org if you arent real sure about how to do it |
| 04:33.04 | nomasteryoda | compiling i can do, but just wanted to know... i have debian here.. |
| 04:33.14 | liable | nomasteryoda: theres a deb package that gives the source in sid/etch, and unofficial debs for sarge |
| 04:33.15 | nomasteryoda | maybe the ones for ubuntu would work |
| 04:33.20 | liable | nomasteryoda: /msg dpkg madwifi |
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| 04:33.23 | liable | nomasteryoda: no |
| 04:33.27 | nomasteryoda | ok |
| 04:33.30 | liable | nomasteryoda: use the debian ones |
| 04:33.35 | nomasteryoda | k |
| 04:33.47 | liable | nomasteryoda: really, check out madwifi.org |
| 04:33.54 | nomasteryoda | will do |
| 04:33.58 | aredhel | nomasteryoda, imadwifi is in etch |
| 04:34.05 | nomasteryoda | cool |
| 04:34.33 | aredhel | nomasteryoda, madwifi-source |
| 04:34.37 | nomasteryoda | so then i suppose that would be something I could make work with alien for my opensuse distro too |
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| 04:34.54 | nomasteryoda | running several is nuts, but keeps the brain going |
| 04:35.11 | liable | nomasteryoda: theres prolly suse packages for madwifi |
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| 04:35.22 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: users of nfs, not the nfs server... |
| 04:35.24 | nomasteryoda | er, not for 10.1 |
| 04:35.28 | nomasteryoda | they have not made them |
| 04:35.30 | jetscreamer | #suse |
| 04:35.32 | nomasteryoda | yea |
| 04:35.35 | nomasteryoda | i'm there |
| 04:35.46 | nomasteryoda | biotched at them about it |
| 04:35.50 | jetscreamer | make one |
| 04:35.53 | nomasteryoda | ranted on my site |
| 04:36.07 | nomasteryoda | newbies should not be expected to make their own |
| 04:36.15 | nomasteryoda | which suse is setup for |
| 04:36.34 | no0ke | !mirrors |
| 04:36.34 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 04:36.56 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: all i know is that i uncommented that line, and it works, i dont care since my network is private, so :), thanks! |
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| 04:38.00 | Arcano | #debian-linux |
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| 04:39.59 | no0ke | how come this isn't a valid mirror: http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/pub/mirror/debian stable main non-free contrib ? |
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| 04:40.36 | sanmarcos | ive never used mirrors |
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| 04:40.45 | no0ke | what do you use? |
| 04:41.04 | Arcano | como puedo jugar en linux? |
| 04:41.04 | veamos | is there any music player that plays music from urls? |
| 04:41.08 | Arcano | cs wc etc |
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| 04:41.20 | no0ke | !debian-es |
| 04:41.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:41.30 | miguel | hello i seem to be having problems using apt-get install php5-gd, can anyone help me? |
| 04:41.40 | liable | veamos: xmms, mplayer are two that spring to mind |
| 04:42.28 | veamos | ok |
| 04:42.41 | miguel | please i really need your help |
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| 04:42.57 | veamos | I hope xmms will work this time.. because last time it didn't |
| 04:43.02 | sanmarcos | !question |
| 04:43.02 | dpkg | You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>. |
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| 04:44.40 | veamos | amaroK doesn't play urls' |
| 04:44.42 | veamos | ? |
| 04:44.50 | sid | !tell miguel about ask |
| 04:45.02 | sid | veamos: /join #amarok |
| 04:45.52 | Azidrain | How can I change the default location of pacakages for installing with apt-get? |
| 04:46.37 | Gokee2 | Hello I was wondering if anyone knew of a program to create a card in? It needs to print and be correct for folding eg split page into 4 sections print each page of the card to be rightside of once printed. I tried opepoffice with no luck and have searched around with the only hope being "Scribus" but it does not look like it does what I want... Anyone know of a program that will do this? |
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| 04:47.49 | minerale | gokee2: try inkscape |
| 04:48.21 | miguel | I have a problem with installing php gd 5 when I try to use apt-get install php-gd5 i get the following output: 0% [Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org (83.142.228.128)] |
| 04:48.38 | VoltageX | miguel: try a different mirror |
| 04:48.46 | miguel | voltageX how is that? |
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| 04:49.07 | miguel | what would the command be? |
| 04:49.12 | VoltageX | miguel: you're in spain yes? |
| 04:49.15 | SirFunk | hey.. what runs /dev in etch? |
| 04:49.17 | miguel | no =( |
| 04:49.27 | miguel | just a spanish name |
| 04:49.28 | VoltageX | miguel: there are mirrors for each country |
| 04:49.29 | VoltageX | ok |
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| 04:50.04 | kevix | Azidrain: man apt-get and man apt.conf |
| 04:50.10 | miguel | well, how do i specify another mirror? |
| 04:50.25 | VoltageX | miguel: sounds like you want apt-setup |
| 04:50.26 | VoltageX | as root |
| 04:50.41 | miguel | is that only settable on apt-setup? |
| 04:50.45 | Gokee2 | minerale, ok |
| 04:50.54 | kevix | SirFunk: udev,hal,gnome-volumue-manager |
| 04:50.55 | miguel | i mean cant i use apt-get install php-gd5 <mirror>, or something like that? |
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| 04:51.38 | VoltageX | miguel: probably, but apt-setup is better |
| 04:51.53 | SirFunk | kevix: hmm.. well i'm using it in XEN and it doesn't seem to recognize my network interface |
| 04:51.59 | miguel | apt-setup: command not found |
| 04:52.01 | SirFunk | i think maybe dev entries arn't properly created |
| 04:52.09 | veamos | my gosh.. I try to install something by apt-get and it always gives me a dependency error of amsn about libc6.. but I want to install xmms and it gives me an amsn error.. too weird for words. can anybody help me? |
| 04:52.19 | SirFunk | it seems like they are hardcoded? i guess.. idk udev isn't mounted like devfs, right? |
| 04:52.32 | sanmarcos | any ideas on how I can purge gnome-settings-daemon stuff?= |
| 04:52.34 | kevix | SirFunk: udev is for dynamic dev creation. iirc, you can create manual ones |
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| 04:53.11 | miguel | VoltageX? |
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| 04:53.44 | SirFunk | hmm |
| 04:53.46 | VoltageX | uhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 04:55.15 | VoltageX | miguel: you need to be root |
| 04:55.29 | miguel | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 04:55.30 | miguel | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 04:55.40 | miguel | suddenly that showed up? |
| 04:55.41 | VoltageX | miguel: login as root |
| 04:55.50 | miguel | voltagex im sudo |
| 04:56.12 | VoltageX | sudo /usr/sbin/apt-setup |
| 04:56.37 | miguel | sudo: /usr/sbin/apt-setup: command not found |
| 04:56.48 | VoltageX | I don't know then |
| 04:56.54 | VoltageX | how did you install debian? |
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| 04:57.12 | miguel | but suddenly something showed up: |
| 04:57.13 | miguel | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 04:57.13 | miguel | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 04:57.32 | miguel | can i reset that or something? |
| 04:57.34 | veamos | how can I see my libc version? |
| 04:57.35 | VoltageX | that does not matter right now |
| 04:57.47 | VoltageX | miguel: how did you install debian? |
| 04:57.53 | miguel | i did not install it |
| 04:58.00 | VoltageX | eh? |
| 04:58.19 | miguel | im not the owner |
| 04:58.22 | VoltageX | what are you running right now? |
| 04:58.34 | miguel | debian/linux |
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| 04:58.54 | VoltageX | well there is something wrong with your install if you do not have apt-setup |
| 04:59.08 | VoltageX | you will have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list yourself |
| 04:59.10 | miguel | hmm |
| 04:59.11 | VoltageX | and I must go now |
| 04:59.13 | VoltageX | you will have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list yourself |
| 04:59.18 | miguel | sources.list is? |
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| 04:59.46 | VoltageX | miguel: the list of mirrors apt-get uses |
| 04:59.53 | miguel | where can i get other mirrors? |
| 04:59.54 | VoltageX | I have to go now |
| 04:59.56 | kevix | veamos: dpkg -l libc*|grep ii|grep "GNU" |
| 05:00.09 | miguel | thanks voltagex |
| 05:00.19 | miguel | anyone knows where can i get other list of mirrors? |
| 05:00.34 | veamos | miguel, type: base-config |
| 05:00.44 | miguel | just base-config itself? |
| 05:00.54 | miguel | command not found |
| 05:01.16 | veamos | are you working as root? |
| 05:01.21 | miguel | sudo |
| 05:01.35 | liable | is it just me, or if a package is uninstallable, even in sid, this justifies a bug report? |
| 05:02.18 | kevix | miguel: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:02.45 | miguel | i must say installing gd is very hard now =) |
| 05:02.57 | kevix | liable: if it bugs you, it bugs debian x-) |
| 05:03.15 | liable | miguel: apt-setup, though it is no longer in etch/sid |
| 05:03.21 | liable | kevix: :) |
| 05:03.49 | kevix | miguel: which gd are you trying to install? |
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| 05:03.56 | miguel | php5 |
| 05:03.59 | miguel | php5-gd |
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| 05:04.58 | kevix | miguel: look at the dependencies and try to install those first. |
| 05:05.07 | liable | kevix: i dont complain about broken shit in sid, but have a read of #366363 and tell me what you reckon? its not the broken package that annoys me, its the response. (btw, I havent actually filed any bugs against it) |
| 05:05.16 | miguel | kevix i did not understand? |
| 05:05.51 | EdLin | miguel: if you don't know what a dependency is then why are you using sid? |
| 05:06.03 | kevix | miguel: apt-cache show php5-gd and try to install the 'depends:' first. |
| 05:07.01 | miguel | miguel@sensai:/etc/apt$ apt-cache show php5-gd |
| 05:07.01 | miguel | miguel@sensai:/etc/apt$ |
| 05:08.38 | tonnyx | I'm trying to install ndiswrapper, and it tells me that it can't find the kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/build; - does this mean that I do not actually have the build files, or are they somewhere else in debian? |
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| 05:09.25 | miguel | Package php5-gd is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:09.25 | miguel | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:09.25 | miguel | is only available from another source |
| 05:09.25 | miguel | E: Package php5-gd has no installation candidate |
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| 05:09.32 | liable | tonnyx: do you have kernel headers installed? |
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| 05:09.56 | liable | miguel: stop pasting shit here |
| 05:10.05 | miguel | im sorry |
| 05:10.23 | tonnyx | liable: yes |
| 05:10.28 | miguel | what will i do? |
| 05:10.32 | kevix | liable: hmm. so the xfce4 package depends upon things that are in new, which means they are not installable |
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| 05:10.51 | liable | kevix: i dont care about the bug per se, just the response |
| 05:11.03 | sid | yea, there is a library in ftp master's new queue...you have to wait to install xfce on unstable. |
| 05:11.19 | liable | kevix: well, i do care, why upload if you know its going to break it for god knows how long.. |
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| 05:12.14 | miguel | hmm |
| 05:12.35 | kevix | liable: yea. DD's have said that if your packages goes to sid, it is because you are expecting it to be good enought for stable minus some testing. that does not seem to be the case. |
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| 05:14.10 | liable | kevix: i guess i just think that him belittling people for filing bug reports on a broken package is a little off, even if it is in sid. dunno, for some reason it has annoyed the shit out of me :) |
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| 05:15.03 | miguel | how come the UK mirrors has the php5-gd and others dont have it? |
| 05:15.27 | kevix | liable: yea. it was not polite and a little downputting. he could have been more sympathetic and understanding. |
| 05:16.10 | veamos | how can I remove a directory by terminal? |
| 05:16.13 | kevix | liable: i've often wanted to have a rating system for user-friendlyness for DD's x-) |
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| 05:16.24 | liable | kevix: heh :) |
| 05:16.33 | kevix | veamos: the 'rm' command is used. read 'man rm' |
| 05:17.01 | Dwonis | veamos: or rmdir |
| 05:17.10 | kevix | liable: although I have seen worse comments. |
| 05:17.16 | Dwonis | veamos: but the directory has to be empty for rmdir to work |
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| 05:17.38 | liable | kevix: yeah, me too. udev springs to mind :) |
| 05:17.54 | kevix | liable: it was like you read my mind x-O |
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| 05:18.36 | Dwonis | miguel: some mirrors lag behind others. You can check their project/trace/ directory to see then the mirror was last updated from ftp-master.debian.org |
| 05:18.44 | Dwonis | s/then/when |
| 05:19.49 | Dwonis | hmm... I should go through the NM process again |
| 05:20.15 | Dwonis | I'd be a very user-friendly DD. I'd *automate* the process of closing bugs for random reasons. |
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| 05:22.08 | uncle_bill_ | hello |
| 05:22.44 | kevix | uncle_bill_: please state the nature of your medical emergency |
| 05:23.05 | uncle_bill_ | kevix blue screen |
| 05:23.05 | uncle_bill_ | lol |
| 05:23.27 | kevix | uncle_bill_: unknown state... |
| 05:23.51 | uncle_bill_ | o0 |
| 05:23.52 | uncle_bill_ | 0o |
| 05:23.55 | uncle_bill_ | :x |
| 05:24.01 | Dwonis | kevix: will you sing opera for us? |
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| 05:24.35 | tonnyx | liable: I do have linux-kernel-headers installed, but I'm not sure what that means... (I haven't been using linux for very long) |
| 05:24.53 | kevix | Dwonis: I only sing in the ultrasonic range... stand back! |
| 05:25.24 | kevix | tonnyx: do you know what .h files are? |
| 05:26.07 | tonnyx | kevix: Nope, no idea what .h files are ... yet. |
| 05:26.36 | liable | tonnyx: get the kernel headers for your particular kernel |
| 05:26.54 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 05:26.54 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:26.57 | Dwonis | kevix: aren't they help files? |
| 05:27.31 | EdLin | .h files are header files |
| 05:27.37 | EdLin | frequently used by C compilers |
| 05:27.54 | kevix | tonnyx: they are files need when complining some software (like a kernel) |
| 05:28.15 | Dwonis | EdLin: sorry, just being sarcastic |
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| 05:28.32 | EdLin | !SDNWOTN |
| 05:28.33 | dpkg | it has been said that sdnwotn is Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
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| 05:29.22 | tonnyx | liable: aptitude reports that linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc is what I have installed, and that appears to be the highest version available. Should I be looking for one that exactly matches my kernel? |
| 05:29.24 | Dwonis | EdLin: I have the spirit of Sunday |
| 05:30.18 | VoltageX | is there a way to get a newer version of KDE into debian without breaking everything? |
| 05:31.03 | liable | tonnyx: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:31.13 | Dwonis | VoltageX: are you a developer? You could join the Debian KDE team (if there is one) and help |
| 05:31.51 | VoltageX | Dwonis: I"m not really a dev, I only dabble a bit in programming |
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| 05:32.00 | VoltageX | backports maybe? |
| 05:32.06 | Gary | or jest install etch |
| 05:32.27 | VoltageX | Gary: and have my main machine screw up randomly? |
| 05:32.48 | Gary | ok |
| 05:32.54 | Dwonis | VoltageX: Typically the newer software has a larger tendency to break, so what you should do depends on how able you are to solve problems when they arise |
| 05:33.36 | Dwonis | VoltageX: The KDE packages you want are probably not in Debian because they still break in some way |
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| 05:34.02 | Dwonis | VoltageX: So if you're concerned about stability, then the answer to your question is probably "no" |
| 05:34.08 | liable | VoltageX: theres kde-4.3 on backports |
| 05:34.12 | EdLin | Dwonis: stable is almost never version-upgraded, because that in itself can cause problems. |
| 05:34.31 | VoltageX | Dwonis: yeah, I can solve problems by runinng xfce4 temporarily, but not if it takes my whole machine down |
| 05:34.50 | EdLin | VoltageX: you probably want backports |
| 05:34.54 | EdLin | !backports |
| 05:34.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 05:35.03 | VoltageX | yep, checking backports now |
| 05:35.14 | liable | ahh, sweet golden beer. |
| 05:35.15 | VoltageX | now to find a mirror that doesn't count towards my download quota |
| 05:35.23 | VoltageX | liable: what kind? |
| 05:35.55 | liable | VoltageX: cheap australian beer! VB, it has been said that i am unrefined.. |
| 05:36.05 | VoltageX | !liable |
| 05:36.12 | tonnyx | liable: wow, thanks! I tried make again, and it appears to have worked! yay! thanks for the help! |
| 05:36.23 | liable | tonnyx: yw :) |
| 05:36.25 | VoltageX | hmm... must resist temptation to add that to the bot |
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| 05:36.37 | liable | hah |
| 05:36.40 | VoltageX | last time I messed with the bot, people got really really angry |
| 05:36.57 | Dwonis | !VoltageX |
| 05:36.58 | liable | yeah, i gave up, my bot-foo sucks |
| 05:37.16 | VoltageX | Dwonis: I made dpkg forget about it |
| 05:37.21 | liable | i hate to think what dondelelcaro thinks when he goes through the logs.. :) |
| 05:37.27 | EdLin | !karma liable |
| 05:37.28 | dpkg | liable has karma of 4 |
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| 05:37.35 | Dwonis | !karma VoltageX |
| 05:37.35 | dpkg | voltagex has neutral karma |
| 05:37.36 | VoltageX | it was something along the lines of me being a big fucking noob |
| 05:37.40 | Dwonis | !karma dondelelcaro |
| 05:37.41 | dpkg | dondelelcaro has karma of 16 |
| 05:37.45 | VoltageX | how do I get/lose karma? |
| 05:37.47 | Dwonis | !karma Dwonis |
| 05:37.47 | dpkg | dwonis has neutral karma |
| 05:37.49 | liable | heh |
| 05:37.51 | VoltageX | !karma dpkg |
| 05:37.51 | dpkg | dpkg has karma of 7 |
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| 05:38.05 | EdLin | !VoltageX++ |
| 05:38.14 | EdLin | !karma VoltageX |
| 05:38.14 | dpkg | voltagex has karma of 1 |
| 05:38.14 | Dwonis | VoltageX: It might be a blootbot thing |
| 05:38.24 | Dwonis | ah... |
| 05:38.25 | VoltageX | dpkg, liable needs to buy some better beer. |
| 05:38.38 | VoltageX | ooh dpkg doesn't listen to me |
| 05:38.39 | Dwonis | can you give yourself karma, I wonder |
| 05:38.41 | Dwonis | !Dwonis++ |
| 05:38.51 | Dwonis | heh: <dpkg> please don't karma yourself |
| 05:38.59 | VoltageX | !liable |
| 05:39.45 | VoltageX | !liable |
| 05:39.45 | dpkg | methinks liable is someone who is very helpful, but needs to buy better beer |
| 05:40.03 | Gary | :) |
| 05:40.12 | liable | VoltageX: gimme a pay rise and i can afford better beer :) |
| 05:40.16 | EdLin | :-) |
| 05:40.16 | VoltageX | lol |
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| 05:40.24 | VoltageX | brew your own |
| 05:40.29 | Dwonis | !pay liable |
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| 05:40.42 | liable | VoltageX: i am not cheap to keep supplied with beer :) |
| 05:40.52 | VoltageX | :D |
| 05:42.38 | VoltageX | ok, here I go over my download limit... |
| 05:44.01 | bnovc | could someone point me to a good tutorial on how to setup a linux jail |
| 05:44.04 | zu22 | i likes me Coca-Cola, alcohol is too bitter and has negative side effects |
| 05:45.04 | yohu123 | im trying to compile microwindows. in the src folder there is a .c file called scr_x11.c which has a include statement : #include <X11/Xlib.h> |
| 05:45.27 | EdLin | zu22: Pilsner Urquell > Coca-Cola |
| 05:45.41 | yohu123 | i have installed X11 libs. and i know where that Xlib.h file is located. but how do i include that dir in the environment so that the .c file will locate it? |
| 05:45.43 | Dwonis | !raise liable |
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| 05:46.44 | zu22 | edlin: De gustibus non est disputandum :P |
| 05:46.53 | yohu123 | come on guys, please someone help. the main reason i installed colinux was to build microwindows. and if cant build it, i have no use for colinux |
| 05:47.04 | yohu123 | so please someone help me with this problem |
| 05:47.22 | Dwonis | is there a factoid for that yet? |
| 05:48.02 | Dwonis | yohu123: go to http://packages.debian.org/ and search there |
| 05:48.04 | qbit_ | yohu123: run ldconfig |
| 05:48.17 | zu22 | yohu123: with that attitude maybe colinux has no use for you :P |
| 05:48.28 | Dwonis | yohu123: oh, I misread your question |
| 05:48.44 | yohu123 | i have really struggled with this all day long yesterday. and am so close to complete compiling it |
| 05:48.48 | Dwonis | yohu123: The short answer is that it depends on your compiler environment, and what software is being compiled |
| 05:49.17 | zu22 | yohu123: try #gcc or ##c |
| 05:49.20 | Dwonis | yohu123: gcc itself takes the -I and -L options, so you might want to look there |
| 05:49.33 | Dwonis | yohu123: at gcc's documentation, that is |
| 05:49.44 | yohu123 | i run make and i get that error |
| 05:49.57 | kevix | yohu123: did you install libx11-dev? |
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| 05:50.03 | yohu123 | that <X11/Xlib.h> : no such file or directory and scr_x11.c gives that error |
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| 05:50.20 | yohu123 | yes, i did install libx11-dev but its in the /usr dir and this .c file is somewhere else |
| 05:50.27 | ajdlinux | yohu123: install the x devlibs |
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| 05:50.52 | yohu123 | thats my question. how do i make the .c file find the actual path of the X11 dir |
| 05:50.57 | Dwonis | yohu123: this really doesn't sound like a Debian-specific thing, which is why the answers here don't sound very good |
| 05:50.58 | yohu123 | i have all that installed guys |
| 05:51.30 | yohu123 | i know. but you guys are quite familiar with linux commands. so maybe there is a way to make a .c file locate the actual path of a lib dir |
| 05:51.34 | johnconnor | Does anyone know how to test a parallel port? I think mine is broken. I don't have anything to connect to it right now though. I have been searching for a software tool... |
| 05:51.40 | Dwonis | yohu123: and I already told you that it depends on the build system that the software is using. |
| 05:52.26 | Dwonis | johnconnor: you can't really test it (much) unless you have something connected to it |
| 05:52.28 | yohu123 | gcc? |
| 05:52.58 | johnconnor | Yeah? |
| 05:53.07 | johnconnor | Dwonis "much"? |
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| 05:53.09 | Dwonis | yohu123: that's just the compiler, not the entire build environment |
| 05:53.13 | kevix | Dwonis: like a loopback cable? |
| 05:53.29 | Dwonis | kevix: I don't know if such a thing exists for PC parallel ports |
| 05:53.41 | yohu123 | so what could be my build environment? |
| 05:54.04 | VoltageX | how do I add http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/debian-backports/ to sources.list? it is an apt mirror but I keep getting 404 |
| 05:54.11 | kevix | yohu123: just a wild guess 'apt-get install build-essential' |
| 05:54.20 | Dwonis | yohu123: well, it's usually either GNU autotools, or something else |
| 05:55.23 | yohu123 | ive done build essential |
| 05:55.25 | Dwonis | yohu123: If you're typing "make" to build, then we can't give you a simple answer because there isn't one. |
| 05:55.31 | yohu123 | and installed all of them successfully |
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| 05:56.16 | Dwonis | kevix: my guess is that the makefile's build paths are wrong. |
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| 05:56.54 | Dwonis | yohu123: Ultimately, gcc is isn't getting the right -I parameter, but again, this is probably the wrong place to ask |
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| 05:57.46 | wishfull | hey everyone |
| 05:57.52 | Dwonis | !greet Wille88 |
| 05:57.52 | dpkg | Howdy, Wille88 |
| 05:57.54 | Dwonis | !greet wishfull |
| 05:57.55 | dpkg | Howdy, wishfull |
| 05:58.04 | Dwonis | Wille88: but you're welcome here too, unless you're not |
| 05:58.34 | wishfull | i've got a odd prob, i can listen to music say, from shoutcast, but it won't play any wav files or cd's |
| 05:58.53 | Dwonis | wishfull: "it"? |
| 05:58.57 | wishfull | i made sure i have the gstreamer-alsa installed, but no go |
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| 05:59.45 | Dwonis | wishfull: what software are you trying to use to play these .wav files or CDs? |
| 05:59.55 | wishfull | um, sorry, anything, xmms, rhythmbox, ect |
| 06:00.00 | meneg | hi, if I report a bug to debian, and the bug concerns the upstream, will it be forwarded or just dismissed? |
| 06:00.32 | liable | meneg: prolly forwarded |
| 06:00.39 | Dwonis | wishfull: so, what _does_ work? |
| 06:00.54 | meneg | liable: thx. (hope so) |
| 06:01.03 | wishfull | say online music servers inside rhythmbox |
| 06:01.20 | wishfull | or something from shoutcast servers |
| 06:02.04 | Dwonis | wishfull: ok, what you're saying makes very little sense to me, so read my questions carefully before you answer, because it's probably not what you think |
| 06:02.15 | wishfull | ah ok, sorry |
| 06:02.21 | Dwonis | wishfull: what is the URL of a shoutcast server that works? |
| 06:02.53 | wishfull | ok...say this one works... http://www.radioparadise.com/musiclinks/rp_128.m3u |
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| 06:04.31 | kevix | if anyone is interested 'xine http://video.debconf.org:8000/hacklab.ogg' is live |
| 06:04.51 | VoltageX | ok, backports works, but it still says I have the newest version of kde |
| 06:04.54 | Dwonis | wishfull: run this: wget -O/tmp/rp_128.m3u 'http://www.radioparadise.com/musiclinks/rp_128.m3u' && xmms /tmp/rp_128.m3u |
| 06:04.56 | VoltageX | which is not correct |
| 06:05.03 | Dwonis | wishfull: and tell me what happens |
| 06:05.06 | liable | kevix: is it interesting though? |
| 06:05.20 | kevix | liable: not so much... x-) |
| 06:05.29 | wishfull | sorry, this works also, and i'm trying that now |
| 06:05.34 | wishfull | http://64.62.252.130:8070 |
| 06:05.34 | liable | hehe :) |
| 06:06.00 | Dwonis | wishfull: so does that work *in XMMS*? |
| 06:06.15 | wishfull | trying now |
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| 06:07.37 | wishfull | yes |
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| 06:07.58 | wishfull | that same stream works in xmms along with rhythmbox |
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| 06:08.51 | wishfull | what doesn't work is any wav file i have ripped to the computer...under the user's home directory...nor any cd i pop in...that is, in any app i use |
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| 06:09.08 | wishfull | but the streams do work |
| 06:09.19 | Dwonis | wishfull: ok, close xmms and run this: wget -O/tmp/disintegrated.wav 'http://rivest.dlitz.net/~dwon/disintegrated.wav' && xmms /tmp/disintegrated.wav |
| 06:09.24 | Azidrain | what FTP Server do u prefer?? |
| 06:09.26 | nimak | denyhosts keeps readding me to hosts.deny, even though i removed all the violating entries from auth.log |
| 06:09.47 | Dwonis | wishfull: and don't take any shortcuts (like adding the URL directly to XMMS, because due to an XMMS bug, that doesn't work) |
| 06:09.59 | liable | wishfull: any errors? |
| 06:10.02 | zoghome2 | are there any netinst or businesscard isos for i386 of recent testing or unstable around? just looked but could only find full size CD images |
| 06:10.19 | kevix | wishfull: just for kicks, what does 'file some.wav' show? |
| 06:10.32 | Dwonis | liable, kevix: I'll get to that in a minute |
| 06:10.48 | liable | zoghome2: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:10.57 | nimak | Azidrain: i use proftpd, but i've heard good things about vsftpd |
| 06:10.59 | liable | Dwonis: hurry up! :P |
| 06:11.04 | Dwonis | liable: heh |
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| 06:11.27 | zoghome2 | liable: thanks! |
| 06:11.32 | liable | np |
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| 06:12.50 | wishfull | sorry, i was trying to wget that file, and was having problems copying...it's downloading now |
| 06:12.59 | wishfull | and that file works |
| 06:13.03 | wishfull | plays fine |
| 06:13.21 | Dwonis | wishfull: ok, so now we know that wav files (in general, anyway) play fine under XMMS |
| 06:13.30 | zoghome2 | time to de-ubuntu my lappy and get back to puredebian |
| 06:13.47 | Dwonis | wishfull: now, you said that you had some files that you ripped from CD? What happens when you try to play them in XMMS? Do you get an error? If so, what does it say? |
| 06:14.19 | wishfull | lemme see again.. |
| 06:14.21 | Dwonis | !congratulate zoghome2 |
| 06:14.22 | gpm | why does debian.org link to www.nl.debian.org/releases instead of www.debian.org/releases? |
| 06:14.22 | dpkg | Nice one zoghome2, you did it! |
| 06:14.37 | VoltageX | ok, backports works, but it still says I have the newest version of kde which is not correct if it's gonna grab it from backports |
| 06:14.44 | gpm | oh ubuntu... |
| 06:14.51 | wishfull | ok...well, xmms works now ...i'm so confused |
| 06:14.58 | Dwonis | gpm: Debian is really just a Scandinavian conspiracy, that's why. |
| 06:15.04 | wishfull | now for cd's |
| 06:15.06 | gpm | Dwonis: it's true though, right? |
| 06:15.20 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 06:15.20 | dpkg | i heard tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 06:15.24 | wishfull | those don't work in sound juicer |
| 06:15.54 | Dwonis | gpm: you mean on the sidebar? |
| 06:15.56 | wishfull | it says: failed to create audio output |
| 06:15.58 | gpm | Dwonis: yeah |
| 06:16.00 | gpm | no |
| 06:16.03 | gpm | d'oh |
| 06:16.05 | Dwonis | gpm: for me, it links straight to http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 06:16.21 | wishfull | when hitting play with a selected cd track |
| 06:16.47 | gpm | Dwonis: nm...i'm on crack |
| 06:16.49 | Dwonis | wishfull: what does "uname -r" say when you run it? |
| 06:16.52 | gpm | Dwonis: my bad |
| 06:17.04 | Dwonis | gpm: shall we have an intervention to get you off that crack? |
| 06:17.06 | wishfull | gandalf |
| 06:17.41 | wishfull | ok...well, xmms WILL play the cd's now....it was giving me an error before i started playing streams |
| 06:17.42 | kevix | Dwonis: I just use '^d' |
| 06:17.49 | wishfull | but still, sound juicer will not |
| 06:18.08 | Dwonis | wishfull: "gandalf" is REALLY probably not what uname -r says |
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| 06:18.46 | Dwonis | kevix: huh? |
| 06:18.47 | wishfull | it's 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 06:18.56 | wishfull | sorry, wrong box before |
| 06:19.15 | Dwonis | wishfull: ok, go to the XMMS preferences, and tell me what "Output Plugin" you're using |
| 06:19.34 | InvalidCo | does debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso feature also the linux kernel or do i have to download more files? |
| 06:19.54 | wishfull | oss driver 1.2.10 |
| 06:19.56 | Dwonis | InvalidCo: It has the kernel |
| 06:20.02 | Dwonis | wishfull: change it to ALSA and see what happens |
| 06:20.06 | liable | InvalidCo: huh? it has a kernel. |
| 06:20.10 | InvalidCo | thanks |
| 06:20.33 | wishfull | works |
| 06:20.37 | wishfull | plays cd's fine |
| 06:20.59 | Dwonis | wishfull: ok. what sound card do you have? |
| 06:21.14 | wishfull | lemme look at dmesg, just a sec |
| 06:21.27 | Dwonis | wishfull: "lspci | grep audio" usually works too |
| 06:21.37 | wishfull | ok |
| 06:21.39 | zu22 | what is the latest debian release number (such 3.2) (i.e. stable - "sarge"), and "sid" is the latest "testing" and "etch" is the latest unstable right? |
| 06:22.00 | liable | !releases |
| 06:22.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 06:22.15 | Dwonis | zu22: in short, no. see what dpkg said |
| 06:22.28 | wishfull | ok... intel corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 06:22.46 | gpm | oudh |
| 06:22.47 | gpm | ouch |
| 06:22.58 | Dwonis | wishfull: ok, my guess is this: when you're using OSS drivers, only one application can access the sound card at the same time |
| 06:23.15 | Dwonis | wishfull: but ALSA (due to software mixing, I think) allows more than one program to access the sound card |
| 06:23.33 | Dwonis | wishfull: so if you have a program using OSS to access the sound card, then nothing else will be able to |
| 06:23.34 | wishfull | ok, in gmixer i have it set to alsa |
| 06:23.39 | brick | only with dmix plugin |
| 06:23.40 | wishfull | ah ok |
| 06:23.45 | gpm | yes, that's why everyone should use the alsa-oss wrapper for apps that need oss |
| 06:23.50 | Dwonis | brick: right, but I think that's the default now |
| 06:24.16 | Dwonis | brick: or, at least with the Intel audio drivers, anyway |
| 06:24.19 | qbit | wishfull: you can use esound or arts ( sound servers ) to add support for stuff like that |
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| 06:24.36 | brick | Dwonis, afaik, only when it is defined in the asound.conf - i had to do a lot of work to get it working |
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| 06:25.04 | Dwonis | brick: well, apparently not on my system :) |
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| 06:25.40 | wishfull | ok...well gmix is using alsa mixer |
| 06:25.43 | Dwonis | brick: I don't _have_ an /etc/asound.conf /etc/alsa/asound.conf or ~/.asound* file, and it behaves that way on my system |
| 06:25.59 | Dwonis | wishfull: mixer settings are different. That's the hardware mixer you're looking at, I think |
| 06:26.08 | brick | Dwonis, not sure what you mean by "that way" |
| 06:26.20 | Dwonis | brick: no dmix configuration needed. |
| 06:26.31 | brick | asound.confs are optional, i agree |
| 06:26.46 | Dwonis | brick: it might be that the sound board has hardware mixing, but I didn't need to set up dmix manually to get the behaviour I described |
| 06:26.55 | fisrado | how do i import the debian archive automatic signing key? |
| 06:26.59 | zu22 | dwonis: ok |
| 06:27.10 | Dwonis | brick: this is with the snd_intel8x0 driver |
| 06:27.13 | wishfull | ok, well, i'm running alsa config script file under admin in debian |
| 06:27.24 | brick | Dwonis, i didn't read all the way up to see what you described |
| 06:27.37 | streuner | fisrado: read /topic |
| 06:28.19 | fisrado | :D |
| 06:28.24 | Dwonis | brick: one of these things can happen on my system: EITHER exactly one program has /dev/dsp open, OR >= 1 program has the ALSA sound device open |
| 06:28.41 | Dwonis | brick: alsa acts like it's software mixed; oss doesn't |
| 06:28.53 | Dwonis | brick: I don't really know if that's a hardware feature or not, but that's what happens |
| 06:29.05 | brick | Dwonis, OK, that's contrary to my understanding, but it sounds like you have investigated it |
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| 06:29.16 | pilgrim | How do I get vim to syntax hilight? |
| 06:29.28 | Dwonis | wishfull: anyway, you probably have the same sound driver I do, so if you make *all* your apps use ALSA instead of OSS, then you probably won't have this problem anymore. |
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| 06:29.53 | Dwonis | wishfull: for apps that you need to use that can't use ALSA, you can try the alsa-oss package |
| 06:29.56 | wishfull | that script fixed it...it unloaded the oss driver and just put alsa there |
| 06:30.09 | wishfull | now cd's play fine |
| 06:30.12 | wishfull | in any app |
| 06:30.23 | wishfull | cool....thanks for all the help |
| 06:30.28 | Dwonis | wishfull: no problem :) |
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| 06:30.46 | Dwonis | brick: yeah, I had another machine with a different sound board, and I had to do all that dmix crap too |
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| 06:30.54 | VoltageX | ok, backports works, but it still says I have the newest version of kde which is not correct if it's gonna grab it from backports |
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| 06:31.09 | Dwonis | brick: so either dmix has now become an ALSA default (at least in Debian -- which I assumed) or it's driver-specific |
| 06:31.21 | brick | Dwonis, i'm suspicious of both of those, but i'd like to know.. |
| 06:31.34 | Dwonis | brick: frankly, I just wish every card was like emu10k1: hardware mixing |
| 06:32.03 | brick | Dwonis, i think a lot of cards have hardware mixing, but whether it simplifies ALSA config is another question. |
| 06:32.21 | brick | Dwonis, my envy24 is pretty featureful, but i had to fight with dmix to get two apps playing at once |
| 06:32.44 | Dwonis | brick: well, emu10k1 didn't care if you had multiple OSS apps connected. snd_intel8x0 only allows multiple ALSA apps |
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| 06:33.04 | rredd4 | sometimes when I click on a menu item, it does it takes about 10 minutes to open. I am using sarge with a p3. what could cause this? Are there any diagnostics I can run? |
| 06:33.18 | rredd4 | i am in gnome |
| 06:33.24 | Dwonis | brick: unfortunately, I let my less-technically-inclined brother have my SBLive card |
| 06:33.45 | Dwonis | brick: precisely because I didn't want him to think Linux was crap because of the stupid "device or resource busy" problem |
| 06:33.51 | brick | rredd4, in what application? try strace, maybe... |
| 06:34.44 | veamos | does anybody know how to install a skin for vlc? |
| 06:35.13 | Dwonis | frankly, I think any driver that doesn't support hardware mixing should emulate it in software |
| 06:35.24 | Dwonis | maybe one day I'll implement that |
| 06:35.32 | Dwonis | s/day/year/ |
| 06:35.32 | rredd4 | brick, when I click on the actions menu and select log out. Or when I click on applications menu and select any program. Or when I click on the terminal icon above |
| 06:35.49 | rredd4 | brick it does not happen every time I do it |
| 06:35.52 | rredd4 | random |
| 06:36.10 | rredd4 | brick, can I apt get strace? |
| 06:36.31 | rredd4 | now it is ok |
| 06:36.34 | brick | rredd4, yes, but it will take some practice to decipher its output... |
| 06:36.40 | brick | sorry, i don't know what would cause that |
| 06:36.53 | rredd4 | any other programs to use? |
| 06:37.20 | rredd4 | maybe too much in temp? |
| 06:37.40 | acetech | i just compiled a new kernel from source and when trying to load it it say VFS not found... i checked grub's menu.lst and it shows the same root location as the kernel that is working... does anyone have any ideas what this could be? |
| 06:38.32 | VoltageX | :( I still can't get apt-get to use backports |
| 06:38.50 | Dwonis | !tell acetech about initrd |
| 06:40.16 | Dwonis | VoltageX: did you run "apt-get update"? |
| 06:40.54 | VoltageX | Dwonis: yes |
| 06:41.16 | Dwonis | VoltageX: well, then you're screwed, and you have to re-do everything ;-) |
| 06:41.21 | Dwonis | VoltageX: just kidding |
| 06:41.29 | rredd4 | how do I make sarge do a maintenance check.... diagnostics? |
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| 06:41.41 | Dwonis | VoltageX: try running "apt-cache policy $WHATEVER_PACKAGE_NAME_YOU_WANT_TO_CHECK" |
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| 06:41.57 | redblades | Hi, I can't find "lame" |
| 06:42.07 | VoltageX | ah, it's still using the official mirror for kde |
| 06:42.17 | VoltageX | how do I make backports priority? |
| 06:42.24 | VoltageX | there was a -t parameter in apt-get |
| 06:42.25 | redblades | It's not in any of the repos I can se and I'm confused |
| 06:42.25 | acetech | Dwonis: if i read the dpkg statement correct it is saying i need to put an -initrd statement into menu.lst for it to work correct? |
| 06:42.30 | VoltageX | but that didn't seem to work |
| 06:42.33 | Dwonis | VoltageX: In general, man apt_preferences |
| 06:43.05 | Dwonis | acetech: it depends. Are you using an automatically-generated menu.lst file, or one you edited yourself? |
| 06:43.28 | liable | redblades: its not in debian due legal reasons |
| 06:43.38 | liable | redblades: marillat has it though |
| 06:43.53 | acetech | Dwonis: an automaticaly generated one from make-kpkg |
| 06:44.08 | Dwonis | redblades: if you're outside the part of the world where the MP3 patents matter, you can get it from Christian Marillat's repo |
| 06:44.16 | Dwonis | !tell redblades about marillat |
| 06:44.23 | liable | acetech: you have fuxored your compile by not including your needed drivers, either make an initrd or compile them in |
| 06:44.34 | VoltageX | Dwonis: I don't think this unofficial backports mirror is named correctly... how can I find out the name of the repository for -t? |
| 06:44.44 | Dwonis | acetech: what's in your /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 06:44.55 | liable | VoltageX: paste your apt preferences file |
| 06:45.14 | VoltageX | liable: I haven't changed it |
| 06:45.37 | VoltageX | backports.org says I can use apt-get -t sarge-backports install |
| 06:45.42 | Dwonis | acetech: specifically, do you have "do_initrd = Yes" in it? |
| 06:45.43 | VoltageX | but that doesn't seem to work |
| 06:45.47 | zu22 | has anyone ever used Debian From Scratch (DFS)? is there any reason to use it rather than just install from an image? |
| 06:45.56 | liable | VoltageX: read the entire howto |
| 06:46.03 | Dwonis | acetech: (and also "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" are useful too) |
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| 06:46.20 | redblades | Thank you! |
| 06:46.29 | Dwonis | zu22: It's handy for embedded systems |
| 06:46.38 | rredd4 | after sarge boots up a number of times, it checks itself. Runs its own diagnostics. How do I make it do that now? |
| 06:46.39 | redblades | I just wasted half an hour with ripperX ripping CD, with out an encoder! |
| 06:46.42 | Dwonis | zu22: and for ricers who are too good for Gentoo ;) |
| 06:46.50 | redblades | I had a bunch of files that did nothing1 |
| 06:47.02 | acetech | Dwonis: i have the initrd image in my /boot directory is |
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| 06:47.10 | liable | rredd4: make it do a fsck? |
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| 06:47.40 | Dwonis | acetech: ok, did you run "update-grub"? |
| 06:47.56 | Dwonis | acetech: (oh, are you *using* GRUB, or are you using LILO?) |
| 06:48.20 | rredd4 | liable ok ty (is that what it is doing on boot up? It says something about maintenance) |
| 06:48.40 | Dwonis | zu22: oh, nevermind. When you said "Debian From Scratch", I thought you said "Linux From Scratch" |
| 06:48.53 | acetech | Dwonis: grub |
| 06:49.09 | acetech | Dwonis: i did not run update grub though |
| 06:49.12 | redblades | I just typed ripperX |
| 06:49.23 | redblades | lol... never mind |
| 06:49.43 | Dwonis | acetech: well, if you have the postinst_hook and postrm_hook lines that I mentioned before in /etc/kernel-img.conf, then update-grub gets run automatically. Otherwise, I don't think it does. |
| 06:50.50 | liable | rredd4: thats what i am asking :) when your fs has been mounted 30 times it checks it. is this what you are talking about? |
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| 06:50.55 | VoltageX | o.O even with backports as the only apt source it still doesn't install |
| 06:51.08 | Dwonis | zu22: In general, the best way to install Debian is to use the official CDs. However, in some cases, if doesn't work, you can try some of the other methods |
| 06:51.21 | rredd4 | liable yes I did not know that it was fsck, ty |
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| 06:52.08 | acetech | Dwonis: i just checked and all the hooks you mentioned are in the /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 06:52.26 | Dwonis | acetech: ok, do you want to post your /boot/grub/menu.lst file to a paster? |
| 06:53.01 | liable | VoltageX: you have of course updated? |
| 06:53.09 | acetech | Dwonis: sure, i am not sure how to do that though |
| 06:53.19 | liable | rredd4: btw, you cant fsck a mounted system |
| 06:53.19 | Dwonis | !tell acetech about paster |
| 06:53.46 | VoltageX | liable: yes! |
| 06:53.59 | rredd4 | liable, oh great. how do I make it happen on the next boot up then? |
| 06:54.36 | liable | rredd4: hrm, i knew you were going to ask that.. theres a file it checks for, but i cant remember what it is atm. |
| 06:54.59 | acetech | Dwonis: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2541 |
| 06:55.16 | rredd4 | liable lol, u knew huh! |
| 06:55.20 | liable | VoltageX: paste your sources.list |
| 06:55.29 | VoltageX | hmm maybe I shouldn't cat manpages to /dev/lp0 |
| 06:55.37 | VoltageX | without checking how many pages they are |
| 06:55.48 | VoltageX | going into #flood now |
| 06:55.51 | Dwonis | acetech: ok, that looks correct |
| 06:56.13 | rredd4 | liable, can I change the 30 to another number? in whatever file thats in? |
| 06:56.25 | liable | rredd4: touch /forcefsck |
| 06:56.29 | acetech | Dwonis: i am not sure why it would give me that error |
| 06:56.45 | liable | rredd4: its set at filesystem creation, i dunno if you can change it |
| 06:56.51 | liable | rredd4: then reboot |
| 06:57.03 | acetech | Dwonis: could it be a flag i did not set correctly in the configuration? |
| 06:57.06 | rredd4 | liable, ok ty!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:57.23 | liable | rredd4: yw |
| 06:57.27 | VoltageX | liable: pasted in #flood |
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| 06:57.36 | Dwonis | acetech: probably. Also, I'm curious as to why there aren't a flood of comments (created by update-grub) in your menu.lst file |
| 06:57.58 | Dwonis | acetech: or did you chop those out? |
| 06:58.05 | liable | VoltageX: which one is supposed to be backports? |
| 06:58.05 | acetech | Dwonis: there is but i cut them out |
| 06:58.12 | VoltageX | liable: first one |
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| 06:58.44 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:58.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:58.54 | liable | VoltageX: you have the only one with backports in it commented? |
| 06:59.07 | stoned | regged |
| 06:59.15 | Dwonis | acetech: ok. so you said you compiled your own kernel. why did you do that, and can you describe what you did to do so? |
| 06:59.26 | VoltageX | umm |
| 06:59.50 | acetech | Dwonis: i did a make xconfig and chopped as much out to reduce the kernel size as much as possible |
| 06:59.50 | VoltageX | no |
| 07:00.00 | liable | um, yes |
| 07:00.01 | Dwonis | acetech: ah, then you probably broke something |
| 07:00.11 | liable | 16:56 < VoltageX> #deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/debian-backports/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 07:00.20 | stoned | t-1 |
| 07:00.22 | Dwonis | acetech: for initrd, you need cramfs and initrd supportCRAMFS and initrd |
| 07:00.23 | VoltageX | liable: it didn't paste the whole lot |
| 07:00.37 | Dwonis | acetech: and also modules support, of course |
| 07:00.46 | Dwonis | acetech: however, in general you don't need to do that at all |
| 07:01.01 | Dwonis | acetech: the Debian kernels pretty much have everything compiled as a module anyway, and only the stuff you need gets loaded |
| 07:01.17 | Dwonis | acetech: and by everything I mean _everything_... IDE drivers are optional modules :) |
| 07:01.20 | VoltageX | liable: oops, the joy of ssh, that's the sources from this machine |
| 07:01.33 | liable | !pal VoltageX |
| 07:01.34 | liable | :P |
| 07:01.54 | Dwonis | acetech: well, I don't actually mean *everything*, but everything that's a good idea to cut out |
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| 07:02.03 | acetech | Dwonis: does it not help if i have removed stuff like isa support and needless features even if it is a module? |
| 07:02.15 | Dwonis | acetech: right, because the module probably won't be loaded anyway |
| 07:02.44 | Dwonis | acetech: I used to compile my own kernel, but I switched to the Debian ones recently, because they're a lot less work to maintain, and they have what I need |
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| 07:02.51 | liable | acetech: dude, either dont compile your own kernel, or read a howto *and* the help section for each and every driver when you configure it |
| 07:03.12 | acetech | liable: do you know where a howto like this is? |
| 07:03.17 | Dwonis | acetech: the only thing they take up is disk space, and if you really want, you can always write your own postinst_hook that deletes unnecessary files from /lib/modules anyway :) |
| 07:03.55 | Dwonis | acetech: on the plus side, if you ever plug in some new USB device, it'll usually Just Work (tm) with the Debian kernels (assuming free Linux drivers exist at all) |
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| 07:04.19 | liable | acetech: i believe theres one on debian.org, an old favourite of mine is the very verbose debian kernel compile guide (old but should still be relevent) |
| 07:05.04 | acetech | dwonis: the one i used was http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 07:05.09 | liable | VoltageX: and an update and dist-upgrade doesnt do anything? |
| 07:05.55 | Dwonis | acetech: my guess is that you did mostly the right thing, but you removed something Debian needs |
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| 07:06.36 | acetech | Dwonis: that is what i am thinking too... i am going to check on some of them initrd modules |
| 07:06.39 | Dwonis | acetech: but if you're just trying to save RAM, don't bother, because Debian's kernels already do that |
| 07:07.30 | Dwonis | acetech: basically, the Debian kernel maintainers have already gone to the work of figuring out what is safe to remove, and removing it (sticking it into a module) |
| 07:07.40 | VoltageX | we-e-e-eeeell there's no updated kde-metapackage |
| 07:08.12 | cunzhang | hi,does it have problem that debian sid using nvidia graphics card install xen 3.0? |
| 07:08.37 | VoltageX | but is it smart doing a dist-upgrade from backports? |
| 07:08.58 | acetech | Dwonis: can i still add the nvidia graphics and chipset drivers from nvidia.com to a prebuilt kernel? |
| 07:09.02 | Dwonis | VoltageX: is there a KDE *task* (i.e. tasksel, or the Tasks category under aptitude) |
| 07:09.03 | VoltageX | I don't think it updating anything too important |
| 07:09.18 | Dwonis | acetech: I'm pretty sure you can |
| 07:09.38 | Dwonis | acetech: or... no |
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| 07:09.50 | Dwonis | acetech: you can use nvidia drivers, but don't use the installer from nvidia.com |
| 07:09.54 | Dwonis | !nvidia |
| 07:09.54 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 07:09.58 | Dwonis | acetech: ^^^ |
| 07:10.09 | VoltageX | Dwonis: checking |
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| 07:10.24 | VoltageX | nope, dist-upgrade it is |
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| 07:10.42 | Dwonis | VoltageX: or, you could just use aptitude to carefully select what you need... |
| 07:10.52 | liable | VoltageX: you really should have a preferences file.. |
| 07:11.05 | Dwonis | VoltageX: rather than possibly doing something bad like uninstalling xfonts-base |
| 07:11.21 | acetech | Dwonis: i am going to persist on setting up my own kernel.... because it is setup to run best with my desktop... like the k7 and some processor calls.... i would also like to try running the amd64 kernel after |
| 07:11.50 | EdLin | acetech: the repository has K7 kernels |
| 07:12.01 | VoltageX | holy s*** I just noticed the remove lines |
| 07:12.11 | zu22 | Aww mess! This website is dissing debian :( http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/overview_of_the_ten_major_linux_distributions.html , "Cons: Slow release cycle, text-based installer, lack of configuration tools" ! fight back for Debian :) |
| 07:12.20 | Dwonis | acetech: ok, but compiling stuff yourself doesn't make things faster/better than if somebody else did the compilation for you, and it's often worse |
| 07:12.33 | Dwonis | acetech: unlike what some Gentoo fanboys will tell you |
| 07:13.02 | liable | zu22: thats obviously written from a desktop newbie "i dont want to learn anything" point of view :) |
| 07:13.09 | Dwonis | acetech: also, you can't just install the amd64 kernel on an "i386" system |
| 07:13.26 | VoltageX | ok, backports seem to be a bad idea, wants to remove kde to install it? |
| 07:13.31 | Dwonis | acetech: if you want amd64, then *all* packages need to be compiled for amd64, so you need the amd64 arch installed, rather than i386 |
| 07:13.46 | kevix | zu22: debian is 12yrs old...we outlive bad press x-) |
| 07:13.56 | acetech | Dwonis: alright.... i am going to take your advise and try without compiling the kernel |
| 07:14.19 | tarzeau | kevix: 12yrs? |
| 07:14.40 | kevix | tarzeau: 12+... |
| 07:14.41 | Dwonis | acetech: if you want to *learn* how to compile kernels, it's a worthwhile skill to learn. but if you just want to use your computer, then it's not worth the effort of maintaining your own kernel unless you have to |
| 07:14.51 | tarzeau | kevix: true, it's really soon 13 |
| 07:15.07 | Dwonis | Debian is becoming a recalcitrant teenager |
| 07:15.19 | VoltageX | and I'm about to install slackware if I can't get a newer version of kde installed |
| 07:15.31 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:15.33 | liable | its almost a teenager! look out for debian misbehaving and not doing what its told :P |
| 07:15.55 | zu22 | kevix: heh cool |
| 07:16.13 | VoltageX | liable: it's already rebelling here. |
| 07:16.14 | liable | oh, i am a bit slow, arent i ... |
| 07:16.39 | Dwonis | liable: what's weird is that Debian *already* has a bunch of children |
| 07:16.41 | zu22 | i wonder how old BSD and System V are? |
| 07:16.50 | Dwonis | somebody's been doing crappy parenting |
| 07:16.55 | liable | Dwonis: haha :) |
| 07:16.57 | cunzhang | how can I solve this question nvidia unknown symbol xen-tlb-flush when X start? |
| 07:17.00 | VoltageX | o.O installing anything from backports seem to be a death wish |
| 07:17.22 | kevix | Dwonis: hehe.... we believe in Free love x-) |
| 07:17.25 | tarzeau | VoltageX: what did you install from bpo? |
| 07:17.33 | zu22 | i like that slogan "It's a brave Gnu world! " :) |
| 07:17.45 | VoltageX | tarzeau: trying to get a newer version of kde |
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| 07:17.53 | tarzeau | VoltageX: oh well |
| 07:17.57 | Dwonis | unfortunately, most of Debian's children are deformed in some way. Must be due to inbreeding |
| 07:18.17 | kevix | Dwonis: o_O |
| 07:18.18 | zu22 | liable: heh ya |
| 07:18.22 | tarzeau | zu22: really it's GNU |
| 07:18.30 | VoltageX | ...must...resist...using...ubuntu...kde... |
| 07:18.55 | zu22 | tarzeau: oops, thx :) |
| 07:18.59 | tarzeau | VoltageX: some of them can easily be raped to be like debian again |
| 07:19.04 | Dwonis | and what kind of parent would name one child "ubuntu", and another, "kubuntu"? |
| 07:19.05 | minerale | oh oh oh yeah! it's fitzmas! : http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060514/cm_huffpost/020957 (Karl Indicted) ... I know it's not on topic but I can't resist,,, |
| 07:19.10 | trebor_dki | hi. how can i open graphic-windows with different user-acccounts at the same time? (i am connected to a debian machine via ssh-tunneled vnc) |
| 07:19.33 | zu22 | GNU([is](Not(Unix) |
| 07:19.40 | VoltageX | tarzeau: will i bork everything by using the ubuntu package? |
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| 07:19.46 | tarzeau | VoltageX: yes |
| 07:19.53 | trebor_dki | now i only get "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 07:19.55 | tarzeau | VoltageX: you want to not use any package that is not from debian nor from you |
| 07:20.23 | Dwonis | trebor_dki: easiest way is to install&use "sux" |
| 07:20.27 | zu22 | i read that dist-upgrade is now considering bad so do u guys recommend only doing "apt-get update"? |
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| 07:20.33 | zu22 | s/considering/considered |
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| 07:20.43 | tarzeau | zu22: for achiving what? |
| 07:20.44 | Dwonis | zu22: dist-upgrade isn't "bad", just dangerous, by definition |
| 07:20.45 | trebor_dki | Dwonis: thank you, i will try. |
| 07:20.55 | zu22 | tarzeau: moving from testing to unstable |
| 07:21.12 | Dwonis | zu22: dist-upgrade is like "upgrade", but it will do more drastic things, IIRC |
| 07:21.15 | tarzeau | zu22: no, for this you need dist-upgrade |
| 07:21.24 | zu22 | tarzeau: ah |
| 07:21.31 | zu22 | dwonis: i see |
| 07:21.45 | liable | zu22: read the apt-howto |
| 07:21.52 | zu22 | liable: ok |
| 07:21.58 | liable | zu22: or at least man apt-get |
| 07:22.29 | Dwonis | zu22: yeah, man apt-get has quite a good explanation of it |
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| 07:23.26 | Dwonis | zu22: personally, if there's a dependency problem, I just resolve the dependencies manually in aptitude |
| 07:23.30 | redblades | Hi, how do I compile OO.o ? |
| 07:23.40 | dli | redblades, why? |
| 07:23.46 | redblades | why what? |
| 07:23.47 | zu22 | dwonis: good tip thx |
| 07:23.50 | Dwonis | redblades: well, first buy a new quad-processor machine... |
| 07:24.07 | Dwonis | redblades: then get a coffee or something |
| 07:24.34 | VoltageX | Dwonis: distcc, almost as good as quad procesor |
| 07:24.46 | Dwonis | VoltageX: depends on how hostile the network is :) |
| 07:24.47 | redblades | That bad huh? |
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| 07:24.59 | kevix | redblades: you know that oo.o is include in debian? |
| 07:24.59 | redblades | Is it in testing? |
| 07:25.21 | kevix | redblades: are you using testing? |
| 07:25.24 | redblades | I want at least 2 |
| 07:25.30 | Dwonis | redblades: it just takes forever... you *should* be able to run "apt-get source openoffice.org ; apt-get build-dep openoffice.org" and then just build the packages |
| 07:25.31 | redblades | both stable an testing |
| 07:25.52 | Dwonis | redblades: openoffice.org 2 is in unstable, and probably in backports |
| 07:25.56 | kevix | !info openoffice.org |
| 07:26.03 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 07:27.49 | dli | redblades, it takes about 6 hours on a 3.0 GHz Pentium4 |
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| 07:28.01 | cunzhang | hi,X can't start when I install xen 3.0 in debian sid ,say nvidia unknown symbol xen-tlb-flush |
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| 07:28.12 | VoltageX | dli: what about kde? |
| 07:28.22 | redblades | 6 hours! |
| 07:28.26 | Dwonis | cunzhang: why would you bother running xen on a desktop system? |
| 07:28.26 | kevix | redblades: read this: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org |
| 07:28.30 | dli | redblades, openoffice.org 2.0.1 is in testing |
| 07:28.54 | VoltageX | dli: with distcc & 3 machines >1ghz? |
| 07:29.15 | VoltageX | actually, 1ghz, 1.8ghz and 1.6ghz |
| 07:29.22 | VoltageX | yes |
| 07:29.30 | redblades | je dois y aller! |
| 07:29.32 | kevix | dli: if you dont have a packages file with oo.o, then what? |
| 07:29.38 | VoltageX | Dwonis: it involves lots of latex, that's all I'll say |
| 07:29.43 | dli | VoltageX, I think you should join #gentoo for building kde |
| 07:29.47 | Dwonis | VoltageX: hah! |
| 07:29.52 | cunzhang | Dwonis,I can't find answer via google or other way. |
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| 07:30.15 | VoltageX | dli: well if backports didn't want to remove half the packages on my system, I wouldn't compile |
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| 07:30.47 | meneg | isn't it ironic that 'reportbug' has an outstanding 'important' tagged bug from 2004? :< :> |
| 07:30.52 | dli | VoltageX, kde-3.5.2 is in testing |
| 07:31.07 | VoltageX | dli: my system will screw up randomly running testing |
| 07:31.08 | Dwonis | cunzhang: the problem you're having is precisely why I moan so much about proprietary drivers. When you're using proprietary drivers, you end up not being able to use the latest technology, because the drivers hold you back. |
| 07:31.33 | Dwonis | cunzhang: you might want to join #nvidia or ##nvidia or whatever the nvidia channel is |
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| 07:31.43 | meneg | Dwonis: which is a bit ironic because sometimes the open source driver is back in technology |
| 07:31.44 | Dwonis | cunzhang: or phone nVidia themselves |
| 07:32.04 | meneg | Dwonis: the case with ati and nvidia now |
| 07:32.13 | cunzhang | Dwonis,thx |
| 07:32.26 | Dwonis | meneg: That's only because ATI and nvidia don't publish proper specs, so they have to be reverse-engineered |
| 07:32.37 | dli | cunzhang, right call nvidia, complain to them, rather than to debian |
| 07:32.45 | meneg | Dwonis: i hear they do it to compete with each other or sth |
| 07:33.03 | cunzhang | dli,:) |
| 07:33.05 | Dwonis | meneg: personally, I don't care what their lame excuse is. The result for *me* is the same |
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| 07:33.46 | dli | Dwonis, don't buy nvidia/ati, or just accept what you got |
| 07:33.55 | Dwonis | dli: I don't :) |
| 07:33.58 | Dwonis | dli: and I do |
| 07:34.46 | dli | Dwonis, the only video card with GPLed driver and recommended by fsf.org is intel video |
| 07:34.50 | liable | they are fierce competitors in a competitive business, opening driver code could lead to clues on the hardware.. if you dont like it, dont buy their cards. |
| 07:34.52 | Dwonis | dli: I just see the whole thing as being childish and/or patronizing. |
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| 07:35.42 | Dwonis | dli, liable: I *don't* but their cards |
| 07:35.46 | Dwonis | s/but/buy |
| 07:36.22 | Dwonis | liable: nearly every hardware company is in a fiercely competitive business. nVidia and ATI are not special. |
| 07:36.49 | liable | indeed |
| 07:37.18 | Dwonis | liable: so, if every hardware vendor did this in the 90s, there would *be* no Linux |
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| 07:37.45 | kevix | Dwonis: who buys stuff, I just find stuff or trade... x-) |
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| 07:39.07 | Dwonis | What pisses me off about the 3D driver issue is that there is a lot of useful, everyday stuff that you can do with accelerated OpenGL, and it's not integrated into the Linux desktop already because the 3D drivers are non-free, so developers don't want to lock themselves into it |
| 07:39.22 | liable | Dwonis: i am trying to think of an argument, but failing miserably :P |
| 07:39.51 | Dwonis | We're basically kept from innovating on the desktop because we're treated as second-class citizens by the hardware manufacturers |
| 07:40.12 | Dwonis | And look at the things free software is good at versus what it's not |
| 07:40.21 | Dwonis | It's good at networking. Why? Open protocols, and open hardware |
| 07:40.45 | Dwonis | It's not good at 3D. It's not good at Wi-Fi. Why? Closed hardware |
| 07:40.59 | Dwonis | GIMP is not good at CMYK and colour management: why? patents |
| 07:41.10 | Dwonis | free software isn't good at video editing. Why? patents |
| 07:41.19 | Dwonis | the list goes on, |
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| 07:41.39 | kevix | Dwonis: there seems to be some development on video stuff. |
| 07:41.51 | Dwonis | free software isn't good at playing Windows games. Why? proprietary copy protection, and the DMCA which prevents cracking it (in the US) |
| 07:42.04 | Dwonis | kevix: yes, but it's slow |
| 07:42.19 | Dwonis | oh, and also I'm not sure if the DVD spec is really open. |
| 07:42.27 | Dwonis | DVD-CSS has its own problems too |
| 07:42.46 | Dwonis | the fact is that reverse-engineering is hard, and requires skilled people |
| 07:43.07 | Dwonis | so all our best people are spending time on reverse engineering, rather then developing NEW tech |
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| 07:43.59 | Dwonis | so "if you don't like it, don't buy their hardware; otherwise shut up" hardly scratches the surface of the problem |
| 07:44.26 | cahoot | sunday sermon over now? |
| 07:44.31 | kevix | Dwonis: technology is important but there is more to free software. people. |
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| 07:44.59 | kevix | cahoot: its a sllooow sunday x-) |
| 07:45.02 | Dwonis | cahoot: this is a Debian channel. sermons and rants don't end, they just fizzle, or people get all enflamed |
| 07:45.15 | Dwonis | cahoot: and then run out of air |
| 07:45.26 | VoltageX | dli: I can't install kde from unstable because it also wants to remove half the packages on my system |
| 07:45.39 | Dwonis | VoltageX: Linus is a tool. Use Gnome instead :) |
| 07:45.54 | VoltageX | Dwonis: I don't like gnome |
| 07:46.04 | VoltageX | and there's no way I'm starting a flamewar |
| 07:46.06 | Dwonis | VoltageX: neither do I. I use WindowMaker+keylaunch+gnome-panel |
| 07:46.09 | VoltageX | each to thier own |
| 07:46.16 | Dwonis | VoltageX: don't worry, I already started the flamewar |
| 07:46.19 | VoltageX | Dwonis: xfce4 forever |
| 07:46.24 | zu22 | i kick it old school with twm - oh yah! |
| 07:46.40 | dli | VoltageX, it's in testing |
| 07:46.58 | zu22 | You kids and your fancy schmancy window managers :D |
| 07:47.22 | Dwonis | ratpoison clearly rules |
| 07:47.28 | zu22 | In my day all we had was a console, and we liked it, heck we loved it! |
| 07:47.29 | kevix | zu22: ever try matchbox. |
| 07:47.33 | VoltageX | dli: apt-get -t testing install kde only installs a dummy package, and if I try and force it it either whinges about unmet dependencies or tries to remove the whole base system |
| 07:47.42 | zu22 | kevix: nah i will see if it is packaged |
| 07:47.54 | Dwonis | VoltageX: did you try manually resolving dependencies in aptitude? |
| 07:47.57 | VoltageX | zu22: I do also use the console extensively, and get strange looks at school because of it |
| 07:48.03 | minarale | !start desktop war |
| 07:48.12 | VoltageX | Dwonis: err I've just been using apt-get |
| 07:48.13 | Dwonis | VoltageX: it's pretty much the best way to deal with third-party apt sources |
| 07:48.17 | dli | VoltageX, time to read the debian apt-howto first |
| 07:48.17 | Dwonis | minerale: start a desktop war |
| 07:48.19 | zu22 | VoltageX: in speed comparison a knowledgable console user will beat a gui user hands down :) |
| 07:48.35 | zu22 | VoltageX: you can do so much just in emacs alone muhaha. |
| 07:48.48 | Dwonis | zu22: emacs is for idiots... and RMS |
| 07:48.53 | minarale | what is the name for kde.parent == gnome.parent name... "desktop"... GUI ? |
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| 07:48.56 | zu22 | Dwonis: oh please |
| 07:49.05 | Dwonis | (I can't possibly get away with calling RMS an idiot after my long rant) |
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| 07:49.14 | Dwonis | (and RMS probably uses emacs) |
| 07:49.17 | VoltageX | zu22: how do I check how many pages are in a .ps file before I cat it to /dev/lp0 |
| 07:49.17 | zu22 | Dwonis: Emacs pwns you boy! |
| 07:49.26 | VoltageX | because I don't want to print 80 pages again. |
| 07:49.33 | Dwonis | zu22: just wait for Vim 7.. oh wait, you don't have to! |
| 07:49.35 | zu22 | voltagex: try pstools |
| 07:49.45 | zu22 | Dwonis: bah you stinkin VI user :p hehe |
| 07:49.57 | Dwonis | zu22: no, vi sucks. Vim kicks ass |
| 07:50.15 | Dwonis | zu22: at least, vim with sane settings. backspace<>2 is just plain evil |
| 07:50.36 | VoltageX | zu22: err, is pstools in the debian repos? |
| 07:50.51 | Dwonis | VoltageX: heh |
| 07:51.01 | Dwonis | zu22: you mean psutils? |
| 07:51.13 | Dwonis | oh, nevermind |
| 07:51.26 | VoltageX | -_- |
| 07:51.36 | VoltageX | pstools = kickass windows utilities |
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| 07:52.05 | Dwonis | VoltageX: in general, "apt-cache search postscript" |
| 07:52.32 | Dwonis | does anyone else pronounce "potrace" as "pot race"? |
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| 07:53.06 | VoltageX | ok I give up trying to upgrade kde, even aptitude wants to destroy half my system |
| 07:53.25 | Dwonis | VoltageX: at least, with aptitude, you get to choose *how* it will destroy your system |
| 07:53.50 | Dwonis | VoltageX: the latest aptitude will even give you multiple different suggestions |
| 07:54.10 | Dwonis | KDE on Debian is really not worth the effort. |
| 07:54.21 | robin_sz | even packaged, KDE just seems to spread like afungus through your system ,,,, |
| 07:54.38 | [machine] | rubbish, kde on debian works absolutely fine |
| 07:54.53 | Dwonis | If I wanted KDE for somebody who for some reason couldn't use WindowMaker or similar, then I'd probably install an entire distro designed for it like Kubuntu or Knoppix or something |
| 07:55.10 | robin_sz | Dwonis, I dont think you can really package KDE effectively .. its either a KDE system or a general system, it just seems to want to take over |
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| 07:55.56 | VoltageX | is compiling kde myself a solution worth considering? |
| 07:56.03 | robin_sz | no |
| 07:56.06 | Dwonis | I don't mind KDE and GNOME *apps* (I use kopete and kaddressbook), but I just don't bother with the whole system |
| 07:56.18 | robin_sz | I like kmail |
| 07:56.18 | Dwonis | VoltageX: YES. You have 15 minutes. Go! |
| 07:56.32 | Dwonis | mutt pwns kmail |
| 07:56.56 | Dwonis | and such other trolls |
| 07:57.11 | VoltageX | LOL |
| 07:57.15 | Dwonis | I haven't used kmail recently. Does it support inline OpenPGP/MIME yet? |
| 07:57.22 | robin_sz | so .. I just found a long forgotten Sarge box ... un updated from before it went stable ... |
| 07:57.36 | VoltageX | I'll probably end up using some mutant combination of kde and xfce4 |
| 07:57.51 | VoltageX | or just give in and use twm |
| 07:57.57 | robin_sz | only its serving up live sites ... |
| 07:58.11 | robin_sz | should I just let apt-get upgrade have its way? |
| 07:58.17 | robin_sz | or do things bit by bit? |
| 07:58.20 | dli | VoltageX, try, fluxbox, e16, icewm |
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| 07:58.49 | VoltageX | dli: when enlightenment17 is finally released I'll ditch kde |
| 07:58.57 | Dwonis | VoltageX: LOL |
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| 07:59.04 | dli | robin_sz, I would go dist-upgrade, and solve possible problems |
| 07:59.06 | VoltageX | and then when kde4 is finally release I'll ditch enlightenment17 |
| 07:59.13 | Dwonis | VoltageX: i.e. when hell freezes over... again |
| 07:59.32 | robin_sz | dli, the box is 200 miles away and live .... |
| 07:59.51 | Dwonis | there should be a pool to determine whether Debian or enlightenment will release first |
| 08:00.14 | dli | robin_sz, upgrading packages are okay, just don't exit your shell |
| 08:00.26 | Dwonis | dli: hah! |
| 08:01.19 | dli | robin_sz, important part, get ssh first, and get it tested |
| 08:01.19 | robin_sz | perhaps I should enable telnet as a backup before I start |
| 08:01.45 | Dwonis | robin_sz: the best thing to do would be to make a complete copy of the machine, set up your own gated Debian repository, do a test upgrade on the dummy machine, establish a detailed procesure for upgrading the box, and then do it for real on the real machine |
| 08:01.52 | dli | robin_sz, you can do that |
| 08:02.08 | Dwonis | robin_sz: if ssh breaks, telnet might also |
| 08:02.52 | robin_sz | Dwonis, the "complete copy" might be hard ... theres a lot of data on there and lots of stuff like qmail I messed about with by hand to compile |
| 08:03.07 | robin_sz | I'll go for the telnet backup |
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| 08:03.11 | Dwonis | robin_sz: rsync works wonders. |
| 08:03.21 | robin_sz | mmmm |
| 08:03.21 | meneg | announcement: linux is not windows |
| 08:03.39 | Dwonis | meneg: wtf? oh shit |
| 08:04.28 | Dwonis | robin_sz: but if you're going to use rsync, read the manual. Stuff like --numeric-ids can be very important |
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| 08:05.16 | Bitz | hi, does anyone know what i need to do to enable/setup mail forwarding using gmail service? |
| 08:05.25 | robin_sz | Dwonis, i think Ill enable telnet, update ssh, apache and stuff, leave anything that looks dangerous |
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| 08:05.54 | Dwonis | robin_sz: meanwhile, I have your IP address, so I'll just watch you via intermediate routers. |
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| 08:06.04 | dli | robin_sz, I suppose you can upgrade everything except kernel |
| 08:06.20 | Dwonis | !google kexec |
| 08:06.27 | dli | robin_sz, you couldn't just pick up packages at your choices, because of deps |
| 08:06.29 | dpkg | Google says kexec is at http://www.xmission.com/~ebiederm/files/kexec/README or http://www.xmission.com/~ebiederm/files/kexec/ or http://lwn.net/Articles/15468/ or http://lwn.net/Articles/94560/ or http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec.html |
| 08:06.44 | zignig | has anyone had any trouble upgrading mailman? it upgrades and then still needs to be upgraded. |
| 08:06.45 | robin_sz | Bitz, do you mean forwarding for mail for one particular person, or an entire domain based on the MX records? |
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| 08:07.10 | liable | grrr, i hate my rowa divx player |
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| 08:09.32 | Dwonis | wow, it *is* really quiet for a Sunday |
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| 08:09.54 | Dwonis | encoded: ? |
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| 08:12.32 | robin_sz | oopsie ftp.uk.debian.org seems dead |
| 08:12.51 | Dwonis | robin_sz: is that the server that you just tried to upgrade? |
| 08:12.57 | robin_sz | nope |
| 08:13.07 | robin_sz | like theyd let me loose on something important :) |
| 08:13.32 | zignig | I think that ftp.debian.org should be set up with split horizon dns show ftp.debian.org returns the closest server automaticly. |
| 08:13.42 | zignig | it would also serve as goo load balancing. |
| 08:13.43 | rredd4 | my computer freezes in sarge. In gnome, after a few minutes, my mouse freezes when I click on a menu or type a command in console. I am in kde now, and so far no freezes. I did touch /forcefsck and it found no errors. what is wrong? |
| 08:13.54 | robin_sz | "closest" ... interesting word |
| 08:14.04 | zignig | *good |
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| 08:14.30 | zignig | robin_sz: you could use bgp routing info to get the closest ( like akamai does ) |
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| 08:15.44 | zignig | Dwonis: hehe, you need a peer first. |
| 08:16.09 | zignig | Dwonis: i've got bgp running over a openvpn mesh here, it's cool. |
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| 08:16.14 | Dwonis | (in Stewey's voice): DAMN |
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| 08:20.10 | alexbodn | hi all |
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| 08:21.47 | alexbodn | does anybody have a kernel-source for debian 2.6.12? |
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| 08:23.06 | alexbodn | 2.6.12 being the kernel version, sorry |
| 08:23.53 | Dwonis | alexbodn: why 2.6.12, specifically? |
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| 08:25.39 | alexbodn | thanks for answering. i have a kernel patch that fails with conflicts in newer kernels, and upstream don't seem to help. latest upstream patch is for 2.6.12, and i am building a deb |
| 08:25.54 | Dwonis | alexbodn: ah. have you tried kernel-package? |
| 08:26.08 | Dwonis | !tell alexbodn about kp |
| 08:26.42 | alexbodn | you mean make-kpkg and the like? |
| 08:26.58 | Dwonis | alexbodn: yeah |
| 08:27.37 | alexbodn | i am using it, of course, and the patches made in my process are compatible, too |
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| 08:29.11 | fisrado | alexbodn, why don't you get the sources from kernel.org archives? |
| 08:29.35 | _spOOn_ | hey people am getting the following eroor when trying to start my xorg server with my nvidia 4200 |
| 08:29.42 | _spOOn_ | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 08:29.42 | _spOOn_ | (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** |
| 08:29.43 | alexbodn | because i want to have the debian prepared source |
| 08:29.55 | _spOOn_ | have installed new nvidia driver and updated kernel etc |
| 08:30.00 | _spOOn_ | any ideas? |
| 08:30.05 | Dwonis | alexbodn: As far as I know, there is no official 2.6.12 source package, though I could be wrong |
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| 08:30.38 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 08:30.45 | Dwonis | alexbodn: did you try resolving the conflicts with the patches? If you look for the .rej files, you can usually figure out what needs to be changed |
| 08:30.54 | alexbodn | there was one in etch, and i wonder if someone still has it |
| 08:30.56 | lord_rob | Hi ! What are all those .pdiff filles I've downloaded when I've done "aptitude update" something new in apt ? |
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| 08:31.13 | Dwonis | alexbodn: a lot of times, the patch really *is* compatible with the code, it's just that patch isn't smart enough to figure out what needs to be done |
| 08:31.30 | lord_rob | _spOOn_: are you using nvidia-glx from debian/non-free ? |
| 08:31.32 | Dwonis | alexbodn: I got Xen and user-mode-linux working together that way |
| 08:31.33 | alexbodn | the conflicts are not technical. those have been resolved. i have crashes |
| 08:31.41 | Dwonis | alexbodn: ah... :( |
| 08:31.43 | _spOOn_ | no i compiled my own driver |
| 08:31.52 | _spOOn_ | using the nvidia tool from the website |
| 08:31.53 | superlinux | is't possible to use the blacklists (plain text) files of squidguard in dansguardian? |
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| 08:32.07 | Dwonis | _spOOn_: short answer: don't do that |
| 08:32.11 | _spOOn_ | lol |
| 08:32.13 | Dwonis | !tell _spOOn_ about nvidia |
| 08:32.35 | kevix | lord_rob: its a long awaited feature. it saves time for updates. |
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| 08:33.15 | superlinux | .. and has anybody made GeForce FX5200 work fully with him? |
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| 08:33.40 | alexbodn | is there a place that archives older packages? |
| 08:33.46 | lord_rob | kevix: instead of downloading the whole packages file it downloads some kind of "diff patches", right ? |
| 08:34.00 | Dwonis | alexbodn: well, there's http://archive.debian.org/, but I already checked that (though I could have missed something) |
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| 08:34.08 | lord_rob | alexbodn: archive.debian.net or something like that |
| 08:34.15 | kevix | lord_rob: yes. |
| 08:34.26 | Dwonis | alexbodn: and it's probably not what you want anyway. You probably want something that archives old sid packages... I don't know if that exists, or where it is if it does |
| 08:34.56 | alexbodn | right. |
| 08:35.06 | _spOOn_ | thanks for the help Dwonis |
| 08:35.26 | Dwonis | alexbodn: BUT there are usually some mirrors that are horribly out-of-date. As a last resort, you could search those :) |
| 08:35.30 | alexbodn | i found an ubuntu package source for 2.6.12, but it doesn't build in my etch |
| 08:35.32 | Dr_Pi | bye |
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| 08:36.15 | lord_rob | kevix: ah right. I'm not sure it's helpful in my case (broadband user, downloading multiple small files is not faster than downloading one big file) |
| 08:36.38 | Dwonis | alexbodn: this suggests that there _was_ a 2.6.12 package: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg01751.html |
| 08:36.40 | kevix | lord_rob: true. |
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| 08:36.58 | Eulex | Dwonis, yes there was. |
| 08:37.06 | Eulex | !sdn |
| 08:37.06 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 08:37.15 | alexbodn | it realy was, trust me ;) |
| 08:37.15 | alexbodn | i might try to send the patches to someone on ubuntu to build it for me |
| 08:37.49 | Eulex | alexbodn, take a look at that site |
| 08:37.53 | Dwonis | alexbodn: heh: http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22kernel+image+2.6.12%22+deb+%22Index+of%22 |
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| 08:38.14 | alexbodn | dpkg, i'm checking |
| 08:38.19 | Dwonis | alexbodn: but yeah, s.d.n is probably more trustworthy than random places |
| 08:38.51 | alexbodn | first time i hear about it, thanks |
| 08:38.52 | lord_rob | is xprint redundant with cups ? |
| 08:39.23 | lord_rob | or are those packages completely unrelated ? |
| 08:39.56 | superlinux | thanx I found the solutions |
| 08:41.55 | fefaaa | I'm trying to install quake 3 demo but it's not working. Do I have to get loki to do this or something? |
| 08:42.39 | lord_rob | fefaaa: try to run quake |
| 08:42.44 | lord_rob | 3 in a consoel |
| 08:42.49 | lord_rob | then see errors |
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| 08:42.52 | dazjorz | hello |
| 08:43.07 | lord_rob | s/sonsoel/console |
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| 08:43.21 | fefaaa | yeah, the errors are it just outputs the contents of the sh script in errors, sort. See #flood |
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| 08:43.53 | dazjorz | Is it possible, that when I give the command 'bitchx', it changes to another user and then runs bitchx with several other arguments, while I can still see it on the screen as it should? |
| 08:44.36 | fefaaa | Any ideas? It's sad : ( |
| 08:44.46 | Dwonis | !tell dazjorz about alias |
| 08:44.58 | dazjorz | thanks, Dwonis |
| 08:45.13 | Dwonis | dazjorz: also, see "sudo" |
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| 08:45.25 | dazjorz | Dwonis, yea, I tried that, but couldn't get it working |
| 08:45.27 | Dwonis | dazjorz: you can probably do what you want with a combination of the two |
| 08:45.39 | Dwonis | dazjorz: eh? it should work |
| 08:45.56 | Dwonis | dazjorz: what did you do? what steps did you go through? |
| 08:46.22 | dazjorz | Dwonis, well, actually I made a bash script in /usr/local/sbin, the first dir in my PATH |
| 08:46.27 | mooded | hey all.. i have a fresh installation of debian testing here.. but id like to switch to the newest kernel.. is there any recommended way to do it ? (with regard to udev since newest kernel doesnt have devfs anymore) .. or any good tutorial ? |
| 08:46.34 | dazjorz | Dwonis, that's how I changed the way my dir looks, too |
| 08:46.43 | lord_rob | fefaaa: it might be a corrupted archive |
| 08:46.46 | Dwonis | dazjorz: ah... and you got infinite recursion? |
| 08:47.01 | dazjorz | Dwonis, nope |
| 08:47.04 | fefaaa | lord_rob, I don't think it is ... I downloaded it twice and found someone on a forum getting the same problems |
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| 08:47.10 | fefaaa | but no solution there |
| 08:47.15 | dazjorz | Dwonis, well, I don't think so, at least |
| 08:47.45 | lord_rob | well I can't help you then fefaaa |
| 08:47.49 | Dwonis | dazjorz: well, what I'd try to do is to get sudo working first, then alias whatever I want to run the proper sudo command line |
| 08:47.52 | fefaaa | HMMM it works better in my 32-bit chroot |
| 08:47.58 | dazjorz | Dwonis, when I run 'sudo -u irc bitchx dazjorz chat.freenode.org' it works |
| 08:48.03 | fefaaa | Verifying archive integrity...OK |
| 08:48.03 | fefaaa | Uncompressing Quake III Arena Demotrap: usage: trap [-lp] [arg signal_spec ...] |
| 08:48.06 | fefaaa | I get that. |
| 08:48.11 | dazjorz | Dwonis, but yes, probably alias is better |
| 08:48.37 | Dwonis | dazjorz: then you do something like this: "alias bitchx='sudo -u irc bitchx dazjorz chat.freenode.org'" |
| 08:48.50 | dazjorz | Dwonis, yes, just did that |
| 08:48.53 | dazjorz | going to try it now |
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| 08:49.21 | dazjorz | Seems to work |
| 08:49.27 | lord_rob | nobody knows if xprint is useful when cups is installed ? |
| 08:49.40 | dazjorz | okay now.. |
| 08:49.46 | Dwonis | dazjorz: don't trust BitchX to run as you? :-) |
| 08:50.14 | dazjorz | Dwonis, usually I'm root, and I can't send stuff to a channel while being root |
| 08:50.15 | liable | lord_rob: xprint is just installed with x and is a pain in the ass as far as i see.. :( |
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| 08:50.22 | Dwonis | dazjorz: ah :) |
| 08:50.38 | Tallu | dazjorz: well.. simple solution for that. you shouldn't usually be root. :) |
| 08:50.41 | Dwonis | dazjorz: well, you shouldn't usually be root :) |
| 08:50.41 | dazjorz | Dwonis, Is it possible to automatically identify on connect? |
| 08:50.47 | dazjorz | Tallu, Dwonis, This is a server machine |
| 08:50.53 | Dwonis | dazjorz: probably, but it would be bitchx-specific |
| 08:50.55 | alexbodn | i wish to thank you Dwonis, dpkg for pointing me to snapshot. it's great to have history available |
| 08:50.59 | Dwonis | dazjorz: that's hardly relevant |
| 08:51.06 | dazjorz | I'm only here to tweak small things |
| 08:51.13 | dazjorz | but these small things are system-wide |
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| 08:51.21 | lord_rob | liable: I'm using xorg 7 so it can be removed if I wish |
| 08:51.22 | dazjorz | so I need to be root for those |
| 08:51.42 | Tallu | dazjorz: why don't you just use su or sudo from your user account? |
| 08:51.51 | dazjorz | and if I need to ask a question quick, I just go to irc |
| 08:51.53 | Dwonis | dazjorz: typically I have my own user account, but I add myself to the wheel group and edit /etc/pam.d/su and uncommand the two pam_wheel.so lines |
| 08:52.10 | dazjorz | Tallu: Because that takes me more time for something unneeded |
| 08:52.26 | liable | lord_rob: it fucks with my default settings giving printers that fail to print, so i hate it, and wish to kill it. |
| 08:52.57 | Dwonis | dazjorz: are you the only person who has access to the root account on this machine? |
| 08:53.00 | dazjorz | Yes, dwonis |
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| 08:53.20 | Dwonis | dazjorz: ah, ok, so much for THAT line of argument |
| 08:53.43 | lord_rob | liable: I don't know if it's xorg 7 specific but I can uninstall it if I want |
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| 08:53.50 | Dwonis | dazjorz: I imagine you might have a good reason for doing it, but in general, even if "it's a server", it's not a good idea. |
| 08:54.00 | didas | hi. Can anybody tell me how I can find the users that belong to a group? |
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| 08:54.30 | zignig | didas: look at /etc/group |
| 08:54.44 | didas | rhx |
| 08:54.47 | didas | that was.. thx |
| 08:54.58 | zignig | didas: :) |
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| 08:55.05 | Dwonis | rhx is the reverse of thx, I think |
| 08:55.17 | didas | is it? |
| 08:55.18 | cahoot | didas: grep <group> /etc/group |
| 08:55.30 | didas | well it was a bad spelling for me. nothing so sophisticated |
| 08:55.33 | Dwonis | didas: like Tx/Rx, but with an h in the middle |
| 08:55.33 | didas | :-) |
| 08:55.44 | Dwonis | it's just a terrible 3AM joke |
| 08:56.01 | dazjorz | Dwonis, well yeah, maybe it's a better idea to always sudo... |
| 08:56.34 | dazjorz | Dwonis, but I think the reasons for NOT doing it weight more than the reasons for doing it |
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| 08:57.04 | dazjorz | Dwonis, as I'm the only one that has any access to this machine (excluding any services like HTTP) |
| 08:57.14 | dazjorz | Dwonis, ... or I'm supposed to be the only one... |
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| 08:57.40 | Dwonis | dazjorz: the main thing for me in your case would be future-proofing. If your situation changes where there arises a good reason for doing it, you won't have to change anything, so you'll be less likely to end up in a situation where you're running as root when you shouldn't be |
| 08:57.44 | didas | thx people. Now one more thing. I need to find out what user is Apache is actually runing like. Is there a way to find that out? |
| 08:57.44 | liable | dazjorz: easy, change roots password, then you can be reasonably sure |
| 08:57.55 | Dwonis | dazjorz: that, and it also excludes some potential problems |
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| 08:58.42 | Dwonis | dazjorz: remote exploits that rely on chroot() working, or ptrace() of arbitrary processes working, for example |
| 08:59.25 | Dwonis | liable: root shouldn't have a password |
| 08:59.35 | lord_rob | Any idea when kernel 2.6.17 is released ? |
| 08:59.39 | liable | Dwonis: huh? |
| 08:59.51 | tarzeau | lord_rob: no |
| 08:59.52 | Dwonis | liable: there should be no way to access the root account using only the password |
| 09:00.20 | Dwonis | liable: you should be using Kerberos, or SSH PublicKey authentication, or sudo, or something else |
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| 09:00.26 | dazjorz | Dwonis, you're probably right... |
| 09:00.44 | Dwonis | liable: or possibly the console, which should be in a locked cabinet |
| 09:01.08 | dazjorz | Dwonis, but well, I don't see any reason for me to be extremely careful, I don't see a group of hackers chase after me, for example |
| 09:01.21 | Dwonis | dazjorz: two words: internet worms |
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| 09:01.30 | lord_rob | Dwonis: depends of the machine you're using. For my linux desktop use it's secure enough to have access to root account with apassword |
| 09:01.31 | dazjorz | Dwonis, ouch, that hurt |
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| 09:01.50 | dazjorz | Dwonis, can they simply invade a system? |
| 09:01.59 | Dwonis | dazjorz: you asked for it. "hackers aren't interested in me" is just not an excuse |
| 09:02.05 | liable | Dwonis: what? i wasnt talking about ssh access. |
| 09:02.17 | dazjorz | Dwonis, Hackers are always interested in anyone, even if it's just for fun... |
| 09:02.22 | peej | how can I find which package supplies at in debian ? |
| 09:02.46 | liable | peej: prolly core-utils, dpkg -S at |
| 09:02.53 | dli | peej, http://packages.debian.org , apt-cache , apt-file |
| 09:02.56 | dazjorz | Dwonis, but one hacker will probably take quite a while to get inside |
| 09:03.05 | dazjorz | Dwonis, A group of hackers probably has more stuff to do. |
| 09:03.29 | Dwonis | dazjorz: are you subscribed to debian-security-announce? |
| 09:03.33 | liable | eww, thats messy :) |
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| 09:03.43 | dazjorz | Dwonis, no, but that's probably a good idea |
| 09:03.47 | Tallu | dazjorz: other things to do than hacking vulnerable servers? :) |
| 09:04.09 | Dwonis | dazjorz: if you think hacking a debian box is time-consuming, then you really need to subscribe to debian-security-announce |
| 09:04.19 | Dwonis | dazjorz: it's not really that difficult. |
| 09:04.49 | Dwonis | dazjorz: in that once someone writes an exploit, they can use it on thousands of servers just as easily as they can use it on one |
| 09:04.49 | peej | liable, dli, if you try apt-cache or dpkg -S you get a gazillion hits. I can filter it out I guess. |
| 09:04.53 | dazjorz | Tallu: Well... Not my one, probably ;) |
| 09:05.09 | sepski | i'd assume this crowd should know the difference between a hacker and a cracker and use the words acordingly :/ |
| 09:05.09 | dazjorz | Dwonis, you're right there |
| 09:05.14 | dazjorz | Dwonis, where do I subscribe? |
| 09:05.20 | dli | peej, apt-file |
| 09:05.20 | Dwonis | dazjorz: http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 09:05.46 | dazjorz | Sec, I'm logging on to IRC on my normal PC, this is becoming more of a discussion than a quick question |
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| 09:05.57 | peej | dli: I don't understand how apt-file search is used to find at. Cluebat me please? |
| 09:06.16 | Dwonis | lowfat flavor of BitchX? could that be irssi? |
| 09:06.32 | dli | peej, first, "apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update" |
| 09:06.33 | peej | Dwonis: or tinyirc? |
| 09:06.40 | didas | I need to find out what user name Apache is actually running under. Is there a way to find that out? |
| 09:06.46 | Dwonis | peej: maybe. never used it |
| 09:06.56 | dli | peej, then, you can search for any file, apt-file search `which at` |
| 09:06.58 | Tallu | I like irssi. |
| 09:07.01 | sepski | didas, ps aux | grep apache |
| 09:07.12 | sepski | the first colum is the user. |
| 09:07.29 | bizkit | i'm using lsof to get the open files by certain users within a jailed environment. now the users UIDs are only available in the jailed env, not in the 'open system' i'm running lsof from. lsof gives me warnings about uid not found in passwd, which is correct. i don't want to add all uids from the jail to the system, nor do i want to install lsof into the jail. what can i do? is there any env var to have lsof use the passwd file from within the jail? |
| 09:08.13 | didas | sepski thx |
| 09:08.25 | peej | dli: um... which at won't give me anything since I don't have at on my system. Which is strange, since it is debian stable, but that's how it is. |
| 09:08.42 | myren | i must kill the python package |
| 09:08.47 | sepski | didas, no i cant aford it |
| 09:08.55 | myren | why cant people depend on python2.3, not stupid python |
| 09:09.21 | dli | peej, apt-file search /usr/bin/at |
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| 09:10.13 | zu22 | anyone know a good up-to-date guide on how to package for unstable? i never packaged before but wanna learn |
| 09:11.01 | didas | sepski: I just did a man ps and there's no aux option or something. What is ps aux? |
| 09:11.15 | peej | ooof. Just tried an apt-get install at and it's being picked up. Still waiting for apt-file update to finish indexing. |
| 09:11.30 | sepski | didas ps aux is 3 options it's ps -a -u -x |
| 09:11.31 | liable | peej: its the at package :) |
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| 09:11.47 | dazjorz | Hello again |
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| 09:11.49 | splattnik | or ps aux |
| 09:11.53 | didas | sepski: ...duhhh! :-) |
| 09:11.53 | peej | zu22: do a search at debian-administration.org - I think they have good stuff there. |
| 09:12.03 | dazjorz | okay, it was lists.debian.org right? |
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| 09:13.26 | Dwonis | dazjorz: yes |
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| 09:14.01 | jfried | moin |
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| 09:15.24 | liable | moin moin |
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| 09:16.26 | jfried | weiss hier zufaelligerweise jemand, wie ich rausbekommen kann welche pid ein prozess hat den ich per bash starte? |
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| 09:16.35 | johaBBa | i'm looking for a linux game that uses a joystick to test my new usb-playstation controller. suggestions? |
| 09:16.59 | liable | !de |
| 09:16.59 | dpkg | methinks de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:17.27 | liable | !factstats de |
| 09:17.28 | dpkg | error: invalid type => 'de'. |
| 09:17.33 | bizkit | jfried: pidof |
| 09:17.39 | kevix | johaBBa: joystick - Testing and calibration tools |
| 09:17.48 | jfried | oh sorry... i just woke up... |
| 09:17.58 | jfried | bizkit, thank you |
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| 09:18.05 | suppaman | hello |
| 09:18.13 | johaBBa | kevix, a game suggestion? i have qpadjoy to config/calibrate |
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| 09:18.59 | suppaman | what is the right file to put a few lines into to enable nat at boot ? |
| 09:19.27 | peej | dli: thanks. I now know how the apt-file search thingy works. |
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| 09:19.38 | kevix | johaBBa: this maybe interesting: joy2key - Translate joystick movements into equivalent keystrokes |
| 09:19.48 | dli | peej, don't forget packages.debian.org |
| 09:20.13 | peej | dli: yebbut I like commandline mind tricks. |
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| 09:20.46 | sepski | suppaman, there are several ways of doing iptables at boot. all of them are documented in /usr/share/doc/iptables/ |
| 09:21.15 | sepski | suppaman, in addition to those you can use firewall frontend scripts. like firehol or fwbuilder. myself i prefer shorewall |
| 09:21.29 | peej | dli: like surfraw, for example. |
| 09:21.31 | suppaman | sepski: thanks, I've already my iptables lines, I searched /etc/rc.local but I didn't find it so was wondering where put them into |
| 09:21.31 | stoffell | vote for shorewall here.. ;) |
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| 09:21.47 | sepski | !rc.local |
| 09:21.47 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 09:22.03 | jfried | bizkit, well pidof gives me the pid(s) from a programm i passed as parameter. but how can i get the process id's from every programm started by, lets say process "576"? |
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| 09:22.59 | Dwonis | gotta love it when people/worms try to guess the password for the "Administrator" account on my vsftpd server |
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| 09:23.15 | jfried | :) |
| 09:23.21 | Robh | do you get that a lot? |
| 09:23.56 | bizkit | jfried: ps --ppid |
| 09:24.43 | jfried | bizkit, thank you :) |
| 09:25.14 | sepski | Robh, brute force attempths on ftp and ssh,., constantly. |
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| 09:25.43 | suppaman | sepski: so I'll just made my script in /etc/init.d (I just read the README) and then link it into runlevels |
| 09:25.50 | Dwonis | Robh: oh, you were talking to me... judging by the logs -- yes |
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| 09:26.12 | Dwonis | Robh: I really don't care about crap like that. I have better things to do. |
| 09:26.13 | jfried | suppaman, update-rc.d your-init-script defaults for example |
| 09:26.27 | Robh | hehe, just seeing if everyone had problems with brute force scripts! |
| 09:26.40 | Dwonis | Robh: no, it's only you. :) |
| 09:26.45 | Robh | :) |
| 09:26.51 | dli | Dwonis, fail2ban works for vsftp also? |
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| 09:27.15 | jfried | Robh, well i wrote a little script that blocks a "bruteforcing" ip for half an hour ... |
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| 09:27.27 | Dwonis | dli: why bother? then it just becomes a DoS security hole |
| 09:27.28 | Robh | how well does it work? |
| 09:27.34 | lss | Hi there... I used QTParted to resize my windows ntfs partition and it totally formatted it (it sucks, but not a huge biggie).. So, now I have all this freespace, I'm trying to make use of it. Sadly it's under as "hidden" and I cannot make any partition over it!.. Is there a better partition manager (with an interface)...? Thanks |
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| 09:28.08 | morsing | ' |
| 09:28.12 | morsing | morning |
| 09:28.13 | CoR | hi |
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| 09:28.21 | suppaman | jfried: from manpage: system administrator are not encouraged to use update-rc.d to manage runlevels, they should edit the links directly |
| 09:28.36 | FabParma | what is the the cd recorder most sinilar to nero menu's? |
| 09:28.40 | suppaman | jfried: should I risk being "not encouraged" ? :-) |
| 09:28.41 | jfried | suppaman, okay never read this :) |
| 09:28.43 | jfried | thank you |
| 09:28.44 | dli | Dwonis, how come? it bans the original IP, and because keys have been exchanged by then, the IP couldn't be phony |
| 09:28.44 | liable | lss: see what cfdisk says about it |
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| 09:29.01 | CoR | FabParma, k3b? |
| 09:29.25 | lss | liable, says.. free space, part type - Pri/Log. No name |
| 09:29.27 | Dwonis | dli: "keys have been exchanged"? can you be more specific? |
| 09:29.30 | FabParma | CoR: thank you |
| 09:29.30 | suppaman | does the system go through lvl 1 before going to default ? |
| 09:29.47 | liable | lss: so make a partition out of it |
| 09:29.57 | Dwonis | dli: for FTP, there are no keys, and I don't see what that has to do with SSH |
| 09:30.23 | lss | liable, ok, it's done |
| 09:30.34 | lss | liable, what next ?:) |
| 09:30.41 | liable | lss: now put a file system on it |
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| 09:31.11 | lss | liable, logical or primary? |
| 09:31.17 | dli | Dwonis, I thought vsftp is based on ssh |
| 09:31.22 | liable | lss: whatever you like |
| 09:31.24 | Dwonis | dli: nope |
| 09:31.32 | CoR | how I can start and stop iptables as in redhat? For example, invoke-rc.d iptables start. Where i can get the script? |
| 09:31.34 | zu22 | peej: thx |
| 09:31.37 | Dwonis | dli: vsftpd is plain ssh... but even in the case of SSH, I don't understand your argument |
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| 09:32.29 | Dwonis | dli: fail2ban looks to me like a great way for anyone who can spoof an address to DoS remote access to my mserver |
| 09:32.37 | Dwonis | dli: but you said something about exchanging keys? |
| 09:32.56 | lss | liable, alright.. it's done.. and it is correct in the list.. Do i need to restart? |
| 09:32.57 | spoof | ahm..again me :/ |
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| 09:33.05 | dli | Dwonis, I could be wrong, but I think ssh first exchange keys then, start authorization |
| 09:33.08 | liable | lss: nope |
| 09:33.39 | Dwonis | dli: so? I don't think fail2ban blocks individual host keys (which would be mostly pointless anyway), so that doesn't help |
| 09:33.41 | dli | Dwonis, if the transmission is two way, then, you can not spoof IP |
| 09:33.43 | lss | i tried to mount it just then, but it tells me Called: mount /dev/hda1 mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 09:33.50 | xmb | my apache shoows me "file '' type app/x-httpd-php" for the index.php, how can i change that to actually show? |
| 09:34.21 | CoR | xmb, xz |
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| 09:34.39 | Dwonis | dli: if fail2ban blocks IP addresses using firewall rules, then it's a DoS security hole |
| 09:34.41 | xmb | cor ? |
| 09:34.46 | dli | Dwonis, it won't help much to do key based blocking, because public keys are just public |
| 09:34.54 | Dwonis | dli: exactly |
| 09:35.07 | Dwonis | dli: and IP-based blocking allows for DoS |
| 09:35.09 | CoR | xmb, xyu 3HAET |
| 09:35.09 | liable | lss: ok, in some cases such as this, you do need to reboot to get the kernel to reread the partition table. |
| 09:35.19 | liable | CoR: english |
| 09:35.21 | lss | liable, alright. cheers for your help |
| 09:35.33 | dli | Dwonis, if that IP is real, it's not much a problem then |
| 09:35.38 | CoR | liable, ok |
| 09:35.57 | xmb | da snajat? hum |
| 09:36.28 | Dwonis | dli: ok, your IP address is, according to your /whois, 69.213.139.45 |
| 09:36.36 | dli | Dwonis, I think openssh has maximum connections control by itself, it's not a DoS hole :( |
| 09:36.36 | liable | xmb: you too! english |
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| 09:36.55 | xmb | how to fix application/x-httpd-php to show on apache2 |
| 09:37.23 | Dwonis | dli: that's different. if fail2ban blocks for 30 minutes, then I only need to connect a few times every 28 minutes, rather than constantly |
| 09:37.24 | dli | Dwonis, okay, how can you get my IP be denied then? |
| 09:37.51 | Dwonis | dli: well, let's say you have a dedicated server plugged into a datacentre somewhere |
| 09:38.05 | Dwonis | dli: and I'm your competitor, who happens to also be plugged into that datacentre |
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| 09:38.30 | Dwonis | dli: All I need to do is fake a few bogus SSH connections from "69.213.139.45", and then you won't be able to login to your own machine |
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| 09:38.48 | Dwonis | dli: meanwhile, I can start some other attack, and you won't be able to log in to shut down the machine or anything like that |
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| 09:39.04 | Dwonis | dli: by the time you call the datacentre guys, it's too late |
| 09:39.23 | dli | Dwonis, yes, the bogus IP won't be banned :( |
| 09:39.37 | Dwonis | dli: and even then, if they're not logging the traffic, they won't see the phony connection attempts until I do them again, 28 minutes (or whatever) later |
| 09:39.42 | Dwonis | dli: assuming I even bother doing so |
| 09:40.39 | Dwonis | dli: on the Internet, the proper response to a failed authentication is never to change to a different mode of operation. |
| 09:40.47 | Dwonis | dli: unless you can tolerate the DoS hole that this creates |
| 09:41.14 | Dwonis | dli: fail2ban is good when you know you have crappy passwords somewhere on your system |
| 09:41.18 | dli | Dwonis, no, sshd won't even start authorization for a phony IP :( no login failure logged |
| 09:41.34 | Dwonis | dli: that too, although iptables can log if you want it to |
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| 09:42.21 | Dwonis | dli: also, fail2ban does nothing against remote buffer-overflow attacks and the like |
| 09:42.46 | liable | i dont think it was designed with that in mind.. |
| 09:42.49 | dli | Dwonis, no, that's within sshd |
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| 09:43.20 | Dwonis | dli: so on my system, which only has a few accounts, fail2ban doesn't suit my needs |
| 09:43.37 | Coweater | which package does one reconfigure to set the type of dialog used for configuration, and where would i have been able to find this on my own? |
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| 09:43.46 | Dwonis | I'm not against using fail2ban in all situations, but it's a trade-off |
| 09:44.00 | liable | Coweater: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 09:44.07 | dli | Dwonis, using public key is better |
| 09:44.18 | Coweater | thansk liable |
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| 09:44.21 | Dwonis | dli: precisely |
| 09:45.58 | dli | still, is 1024 bit still safe enough? |
| 09:46.30 | Dwonis | dli: 1024 bit RSA has been considered obsolete for a long time now |
| 09:46.40 | Dwonis | dli: DSA... I don't know |
| 09:46.59 | dli | Dwonis, "ssh-keygen -t rsa", is it 2048 already? |
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| 09:47.04 | liable | you saying 1024 RSA has exploits? |
| 09:47.39 | Dwonis | liable: not that we know of, but it could soon |
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| 09:47.52 | dli | Dwonis, how do I check whether my current key is 2048? |
| 09:47.59 | Dwonis | liable: Dan Bernstein designed a machine that could do it, in theory |
| 09:48.05 | eXiSt | hi. i can't install KDE packages to amd 64 etch or testing. can you help me please. |
| 09:48.32 | nk_ | hi there. is there a brute-force tool for trying different root-passwords? I forgot 2 characters of my 11 character long root password |
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| 09:48.44 | Dwonis | liable: the problem is that for a real 128-bit security level (e.g. equivalent to 256-bit symmetric encryption), you need something like >= 6100 bits RSA |
| 09:48.54 | dli | nk_, why not just reset it |
| 09:48.57 | liable | nk_: then boot to single user and fix it |
| 09:49.08 | nk_ | I can't. I do not have physical access to the box |
| 09:49.18 | eXiSt | :) |
| 09:49.27 | eXiSt | mail to admin :) |
| 09:49.44 | nk_ | funny. as I'm the owner of the root password, this implies, that I am the admin |
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| 09:49.54 | Dwonis | liable: since that's very CPU-intensive, we essentially tolerate lower security margins on RSA keys, but the result is that as computing power increases, you have to keep increasing your RSA key size. |
| 09:50.18 | Dwonis | liable: basically, if you think SSL *really* has 128-bit security, you're fooling yourself :) |
| 09:50.27 | eXiSt | anyone can help me? |
| 09:50.31 | liable | Dwonis: understood, but as it stands its ok. |
| 09:50.43 | eXiSt | or anyone use deian amd 64 etch platform? |
| 09:50.56 | Dwonis | liable: 2048 bits is considered to be the bare minimum key size for new applications right now |
| 09:51.04 | eXiSt | i need help about kde packages |
| 09:51.13 | Dwonis | liable: Bruce Schneier et al. recommends that all apps *support* at least 8192-bit keys for RSA |
| 09:51.22 | liable | nk_: admin rule no1, dont forget the root password. now, go flagelate! :P |
| 09:51.33 | Dwonis | liable: so if you're generating new RSA keys, they should be 2048 bits, at least |
| 09:51.43 | xwl | Hi, can a debian mirror using bittorrent be possible? |
| 09:51.46 | Dwonis | dli: hold on. there's a way |
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| 09:52.10 | nk_ | liable: it's written 'flagelLate' |
| 09:52.34 | liable | nk_: spelling has never been one of my stron points :P |
| 09:52.49 | liable | nk_: but you get the gist :) |
| 09:53.13 | nk_ | yes, but did know that before |
| 09:53.16 | liable | nk_: jhon the ripper |
| 09:53.25 | liable | or whatever it is.. |
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| 09:54.00 | Dwonis | dli: this gives a rough estimate: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | awk '{ print $2 }' | base64-decode | wc -c | awk '{ print $1 * 8 }' |
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| 09:54.14 | Dwonis | dli: if the result of that command is _less_ than 2048, then you know you can't possibly have a 2048-bit key |
| 09:54.27 | Dwonis | dli: there's a more accurate way to do it, but I don't remember what it is |
| 09:54.28 | michal_ | hi. for some reason i'm having trouble getting my debian box to see a usb external hdd |
| 09:54.29 | dli | Dwonis, base64-encode |
| 09:54.36 | michal_ | i have the usb-storage module loaded |
| 09:54.42 | Dwonis | dli: huh? |
| 09:54.42 | michal_ | is there anything else that needs to be loaded? |
| 09:54.53 | dli | Dwonis, command not found |
| 09:54.55 | liable | michal_: sd-mod? |
| 09:55.00 | Dwonis | dli: ah, you need mime-support |
| 09:55.07 | Dwonis | dli: or.... |
| 09:55.21 | lord_rob | michal_: do you see messages printed on tty1 ? |
| 09:55.22 | Dwonis | dli: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | awk '{ print $2 }' | wc -c | awk '{ print $1 * 8 * 2 / 3 }' |
| 09:55.26 | Dwonis | dli: that's a rougher estimate |
| 09:55.40 | michal_ | lord: none.. i'll try unplugging and reconnecting it again |
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| 09:56.12 | Dwonis | dli: bah. "* 2 / 3" should be "* 3 / 4" |
| 09:56.35 | michal_ | aha |
| 09:56.39 | michal_ | it needed more power :/ |
| 09:56.46 | michal_ | odd.. since it never needed more before |
| 09:56.49 | michal_ | from the same motherboard |
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| 09:58.49 | dli | Dwonis, 1206 |
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| 09:58.58 | Dwonis | dli: ssh-keygen -l -f id_rsa.pub |
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| 09:59.02 | Dwonis | dli: it's the first number |
| 09:59.35 | dli | Dwonis, 1024 |
| 09:59.42 | Dwonis | dli: there you go. it's 1024 bits |
| 09:59.51 | dli | Dwonis, so, I should regenerate it :( |
| 10:00.25 | Dwonis | dli: well, you don't need to panic, but next time you regenerate the key, you should add "-b 2048" to it |
| 10:00.46 | eXiSt | i try to install kde (apt-get install kde) the message is |
| 10:01.00 | eXiSt | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 10:01.13 | dli | Dwonis, I will try to regenerate later, but must be with care, otherwise, I couldnt login to many |
| 10:01.14 | eXiSt | what is the problem with kde? |
| 10:01.18 | eXiSt | please help |
| 10:01.39 | Dwonis | dli: you should periodically regenerate your keys anyway, so that if they get compromised (especially if your really-old backups get compromised), an attacker will have trouble getting by unnoticed |
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| 10:02.20 | Dwonis | dli: exactly. when it comes to security, panicing is almost certain to leave you less secure than when you started |
| 10:02.27 | dli | Dwonis, if it's compromised :( nothing really helps, except reinstall |
| 10:02.40 | Dwonis | dli: I mean that if your old *key* is compromised, it won't work |
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| 10:03.05 | Dwonis | dli: or if it was working, it'll either stop working, or the hacker will make it work again, and you're more likely to notice |
| 10:03.27 | Dwonis | dli: what you want is to either deny unauthorized access, or, failing that, to detect it |
| 10:03.33 | Dwonis | dli: so that you KNOW that you have to reinstall :) |
| 10:03.43 | dli | Dwonis, I see |
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| 10:04.02 | Dwonis | dli: also, sometimes there are leaks discovered in protocols, so it's a good precaution in general, anyway |
| 10:04.15 | Dwonis | dli: as long as your procedure for updating keys isn't flawed or leaky itself, that is :) |
| 10:04.43 | dli | Dwonis, cracking 1024bit is still harder than guess root passwd |
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| 10:05.09 | Dwonis | dli: heh.. well, perhaps you should disable password login, then :) |
| 10:05.12 | Dwonis | dli: at least for root |
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| 10:05.54 | Dwonis | dli: for SSH, you just change from "PermitRootLogin yes" to "PermitRootLogin without-password" |
| 10:05.58 | dli | Dwonis, no, I don't have passwd login :( just use my laptop to do public key to all servers |
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| 10:10.19 | mykhi | hi, i have problem with enabling DMA on my cdrom drive. when i type hdparm -d1 /dev/hda it says HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 10:11.13 | Dwonis | mykhi: are you logged in as root? |
| 10:11.26 | mykhi | yes |
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| 10:11.39 | Dwonis | mykhi: well, some drives/drivers just don't support DMA, I think |
| 10:11.52 | fluor- | hi there - my home server suffered a crash last night, and I'm looking forward to recover its precious information - it is running RAID5 with LVM2 on top, plus dm-crypt on 3 of the LVM volumes; I don't know what happened since it froze during the night, but after reboot, it can't rebuild the RAID, since 2 of the 4 hard-disks have "unknown partition table"; should I try to recreate a partition table similar to the one that used to be, or do something els |
| 10:11.56 | Dwonis | mykhi: did you check the output of dmesg? |
| 10:11.57 | mykhi | well, i had dma before, after i upgraded os ;/ |
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| 10:12.20 | mykhi | Dwonis: no i didnt, im like newbie |
| 10:12.27 | trenka | mykhi: do you have sata/ata mixed system? |
| 10:12.44 | mykhi | trenka: yes, hdd's sata and cdrom ata |
| 10:13.20 | trenka | mykhi: that could be problem, try to force use sata driver for atapi |
| 10:13.28 | Chantilly | hi all, i have just install debian on my computer, and at the end it's lunch startx and i have an error. XIO fatal error 104 (connection reset bu peer) on X Server" : O.O" ... I don't know what i have to do |
| 10:13.36 | mykhi | trenka: plz explain ;/ |
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| 10:14.38 | trenka | mykhi: I do not remember exact param, try modinfo -p libata |
| 10:15.04 | mykhi | it says: fua:FUA support (0=off, 1=on) |
| 10:15.04 | mykhi | atapi_enabled:Enable discovery of ATAPI devices (0=off, 1=on) |
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| 10:15.43 | trenka | mykhi: it's fine, add option libata atapi_enabled=1 to your modprobe configuration |
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| 10:16.08 | Dwonis | ICQ spam: "Hello if you have free time Here you find GAMES BOOKS FORUM ????://traffweb1.biz/dl/loadadv797.exe" |
| 10:16.12 | Dwonis | gee, I wonder what that is |
| 10:16.28 | mykhi | trenka: i wish i know what modprobe configuration is ;p |
| 10:16.32 | trenka | if it is booted from initrd it's fine if you regenerate it |
| 10:17.02 | trenka | mykhi: it is /etc/modprobe.conf file and /etc/modprobe.d/ dir |
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| 10:17.32 | mykhi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.35 | Chantilly | Nobody have an idea for my problem ? |
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| 10:18.19 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 10:18.20 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 10:18.49 | Dwonis | !factinfo any ideas? |
| 10:18.50 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as any ideas?, Dwonis |
| 10:19.09 | Dwonis | !factinfo any ideas |
| 10:19.09 | dpkg | any ideas -- last modified at Thu Apr 8 14:31:11 2004 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 529 times, last by resiak at Sun Nov 27 16:49:03 2005. |
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| 10:19.23 | Dwonis | heh |
| 10:19.44 | mykhi | trenka: i dont even have that file |
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| 10:21.31 | trenka | mykhi: the dir? |
| 10:21.46 | mykhi | i have dir /etc/modprobe.d |
| 10:22.07 | trenka | mykhi: you should be happy :) |
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| 10:22.38 | woodland | hi |
| 10:22.38 | mykhi | trenka: why should i be, if my dma isnt working and i dunno what to do in that dir ;p |
| 10:23.28 | trenka | mykhi: if you think I said nothing about your problem, I can advise google |
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| 10:23.36 | woodland | i have just installed gnome-core and x-window-system but when i boot in linux, after it starts xdm, i only see blank page, what can i do |
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| 10:24.03 | mykhi | you said "add option libata atapi_enabled=1 to your modprobe configuration" but its like abracadabra for me ;p |
| 10:24.58 | meneg | add a file there called "my_1337_options" |
| 10:25.05 | meneg | and put it in |
| 10:25.10 | meneg | in modprobe.d |
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| 10:25.40 | woodland | can anybody help me here |
| 10:25.53 | mykhi | jsut create file with any name and put taht line into ? |
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| 10:26.22 | trenka | mykhi: yes |
| 10:26.41 | Chantilly | anyone know which driver i have to do for gnome for nvidia 6800 ATH ??? |
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| 10:27.17 | woodland | !tell Chantilly nvidia |
| 10:27.20 | trenka | CoolCubix: try apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source and read the README in the /usr/share/doc |
| 10:27.27 | mykhi | fine?: debian:/etc/modprobe.d# cat cdrombug |
| 10:27.27 | mykhi | option libata atapi_enabled=1 |
| 10:27.28 | liable | woodland: whats te log say? what version of debian? |
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| 10:27.45 | woodland | liable, its version 3.1 |
| 10:27.49 | Chantilly | i just install debian and i have not this choice woodland |
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| 10:28.30 | liable | woodland: grep EE /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 10:28.42 | liable | woodland: or whatever it is.. |
| 10:28.42 | ashridah | whoa. when did apt start using partial diffs? |
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| 10:28.57 | bartden | hi, i need an audio editing tool for linux, i prefer a gui, any suggestions ? |
| 10:28.57 | woodland | Chantilly, see "nvidia one-liner" /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 10:28.59 | liable | ashridah: not long ago |
| 10:29.06 | CoR | ChanServ, you can use module assistant for compiling drivers, or get ready drivers from non-free rep. |
| 10:29.10 | woodland | liable, ok i will try |
| 10:29.10 | liable | ashridah: quick isnt it :) |
| 10:29.20 | ashridah | liable: hell yeah. |
| 10:29.33 | CoR | Chantilly, you can use module assistant for compiling drivers, or get ready drivers from non-free rep. |
| 10:29.35 | woodland | Chantilly, just follow instructions on that page |
| 10:29.35 | ashridah | i usually expect to have to come back in like 10 minutes here :) |
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| 10:29.50 | woodland | liable, what is that commnad for |
| 10:30.02 | liable | woodland: to see errors for x |
| 10:30.10 | woodland | liable, ok |
| 10:30.10 | Chantilly | ok thanks to you CoR and woodland i test |
| 10:30.10 | shaibn | hi :) i can't seem to be able to find the application 'chkconfig' in my path ... is there one in debian? |
| 10:30.46 | liable | !chkconfig |
| 10:30.47 | dpkg | chkconfig is, like, if you are looking for chkconfig try man update-rc.d |
| 10:30.55 | liable | !services |
| 10:30.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or |
| 10:31.15 | liable | shaibn: debian isnt redhat :) |
| 10:31.21 | shaibn | yea... |
| 10:31.31 | shaibn | is there a command line util and not GUI based? |
| 10:31.32 | liable | shaibn: but there are other packages |
| 10:31.39 | liable | ^^ |
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| 10:31.52 | woodland | liable, i also have xbase-clients installed but the command 'startx' doesnt work |
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| 10:32.12 | CoR | shaibn, ncurces is present |
| 10:32.24 | liable | woodland: just grep the log first |
| 10:32.37 | woodland | liable, ok |
| 10:32.39 | shaibn | CoR, ? |
| 10:32.42 | CoR | pseudographical interface |
| 10:32.57 | shaibn | what's that 'pseudographical' ? |
| 10:33.13 | CoR | shaibn, in rcconf |
| 10:33.15 | shaibn | anyways... i think that update-rc.d is good enough :) |
| 10:33.19 | liable | claytons graphics? :) |
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| 10:33.50 | CoR | shaibn, blue screen, yellow menus, as in the debian installer. |
| 10:34.03 | Lost-ash | mutter |
| 10:34.34 | shaibn | CoR, yea... but was looking for a non-gui interface... so update-rc.d is good enough ( i think ) |
| 10:35.12 | liable | they are all non-gui.. |
| 10:35.13 | CoR | shaibn, yes |
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| 10:36.03 | shaibn | liable, rcconf seems pretty GUI to me... |
| 10:36.47 | mykhi | trenka: i created file "cdrombug" and i have put there that line, and did "update-modules", is this ok? |
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| 10:39.56 | mykhi | ;/ |
| 10:40.45 | _spOOn_ | really dumb question but whats the diff between the 2.4 kernels, and the 2.6 kernels |
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| 10:42.43 | Chantilly | [12:33:03] <dpkg> i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 10:42.53 | Chantilly | i have an error when it's install that "m-a a-i nvidia" |
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| 10:43.31 | VIm_Enforcer | hey fellas |
| 10:43.47 | VIm_Enforcer | if i netinstall, do i have to dl ALL packeges manually? |
| 10:43.55 | Chantilly | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
| 10:43.57 | VIm_Enforcer | or is there an installer? |
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| 10:45.51 | VIm_Enforcer | ppl? |
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| 10:46.53 | Chantilly | any idea CoR or woodland ? |
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| 10:47.40 | `DamN` | any ideas for ticket system ? |
| 10:47.50 | macolor | áãà ) |
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| 10:48.13 | CoR | Chantilly, in plane of update-rc.d? |
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| 10:48.37 | `DamN` | I've found "helpdesk" looks nice but I've got errors |
| 10:48.38 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 10:48.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little WD-40, and 42 starving hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 10:48.46 | honschu | I have debian etch, how to set the system to always load ne2000.ko at boot? Which file to edit? |
| 10:48.59 | `DamN` | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.38 | honschu | `DamN`: thx |
| 10:49.47 | Chantilly | [12:48:15] <CoR> Chantilly, in plane of update-rc.d? ==> what ? |
| 10:49.56 | CoR | holycow, cd /etc/modprobe.d |
| 10:50.10 | CoR | gm |
| 10:50.58 | CoR | Chantilly, oo yeah< I am forgot about you trouble. Video driver? |
| 10:51.10 | Chantilly | yes, i can't lunch startx |
| 10:51.26 | Chantilly | i think it's my graphic card the problem |
| 10:51.40 | dli | ChanServ, which video card? "lspci |grep -i vga" |
| 10:52.04 | CoR | Chantilly, ok, Are your drivers installed successfully? |
| 10:52.31 | Chantilly | no, during installation i have an error |
| 10:52.41 | Chantilly | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 10:52.47 | Chantilly | and i have this error |
| 10:52.49 | Chantilly | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
| 10:53.33 | CoR | Chantilly, you must add non-free reposiotory in your sorces.list |
| 10:53.38 | dli | Chantilly, nvidia is difficult |
| 10:54.22 | CoR | dli, not much |
| 10:54.51 | CoR | it has very simple drivers |
| 10:55.02 | Chantilly | in my sources.list , i have just add "non-free reposiotory" at the end of the file ? |
| 10:56.08 | CoR | Chantilly, deb http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free this is string from my file. |
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| 10:56.26 | dli | Chantilly, no, it ends with non-free |
| 10:56.43 | blaheva | can someone please dcc me the debian blackbox-menu |
| 10:57.05 | CoR | Chantilly, Then you must run apt-get update from comandline for downloading index-files. |
| 10:57.15 | dli | Chantilly, very unlikely the driver in stable will drive up your card :( you may have to try testing, if it doesn't work |
| 10:57.26 | Chantilly | i put the line and i retry "apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia" and i have the same error |
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| 10:57.42 | CoR | Chantilly, you are under Sarge or Etch |
| 10:57.48 | py[bnc] | what talking about? -)) |
| 10:57.57 | VIm_Enforcer | so, is there an installer for netinstall or do i have to dl all the packeges myself? |
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| 10:58.21 | CoR | if you are under Etch, change word "stable" on "testing" |
| 10:58.21 | liable | VIm_Enforcer: huh? |
| 10:58.30 | VIm_Enforcer | liable: netinstall |
| 10:58.30 | dli | VIm_Enforcer, netinstall means downloading :( |
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| 10:58.42 | liable | VIm_Enforcer: what about it? |
| 10:58.43 | CoR | Chantilly, and dont forget to run apt-get update |
| 10:58.43 | VIm_Enforcer | dli: so, is there an installer? |
| 10:58.50 | VIm_Enforcer | or manualdl? |
| 10:58.50 | Chantilly | i don't know CoR :/ , i download the image on debian.org |
| 10:58.54 | Chantilly | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso ==> i install that |
| 10:58.56 | VIm_Enforcer | manual dl |
| 10:59.08 | dli | VIm_Enforcer, of course, you don't download files manually |
| 10:59.22 | Chantilly | yeah cool CoR , i put apt-get update , and the command works now :) |
| 10:59.23 | liable | VIm_Enforcer: netinst can install base without net, everything else you need to download |
| 10:59.26 | EdLin | VIm_Enforcer: it's not gentoo, of course there's an installer |
| 10:59.33 | VIm_Enforcer | :)) |
| 10:59.54 | dli | EdLin, even gentoo has an installer now |
| 11:00.42 | VIm_Enforcer | installer == disk partition manager etc.? |
| 11:00.45 | VIm_Enforcer | right? |
| 11:00.57 | EdLin | VIm_Enforcer: sure |
| 11:00.59 | CoR | Chantilly, i happy for you)) |
| 11:01.06 | VIm_Enforcer | that's good |
| 11:01.10 | liable | not a resizer.. |
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| 11:01.20 | VIm_Enforcer | liable: yeap |
| 11:01.25 | liable | no |
| 11:01.31 | CoR | Chantilly, now you must use m-a or get binary version of drivers |
| 11:01.32 | VIm_Enforcer | i mean uninstall another distro |
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| 11:01.37 | liable | ye |
| 11:01.38 | VIm_Enforcer | with the manager |
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| 11:01.42 | VIm_Enforcer | yeap |
| 11:01.44 | VIm_Enforcer | thanks |
| 11:01.54 | dli | VIm_Enforcer, what do you mean "uninstall" |
| 11:02.06 | woodland | Chantilly, hi did you solve your problem |
| 11:02.08 | liable | VIm_Enforcer: if you want to delete partitions and add em, sure, but it cant resize |
| 11:02.09 | VIm_Enforcer | dli: remove |
| 11:02.17 | VIm_Enforcer | liable: i don't need that |
| 11:02.22 | VIm_Enforcer | just delete |
| 11:02.23 | woodland | liable, hi that command gave me nothing |
| 11:02.29 | Chantilly | no , i make "[12:33:03] <dpkg> i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>" |
| 11:02.36 | woodland | ! services |
| 11:02.36 | dpkg | well, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or |
| 11:02.38 | Chantilly | And i choose nvidia driver |
| 11:02.42 | Chantilly | and i lunch startx |
| 11:02.51 | Chantilly | and i don't see any error, i have a black screen |
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| 11:03.02 | liable | woodland: are you in debian now? |
| 11:03.05 | Chantilly | and my display is turn off |
| 11:03.05 | Chantilly | :/ |
| 11:03.08 | woodland | Chantilly, i also get blank screen |
| 11:03.24 | CoR | Chantilly, ok |
| 11:03.24 | bartden | hi, i need an audio editing tool for linux, i prefer a gui, any suggestions ? |
| 11:03.28 | CoR | Chantilly, deb-src http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 11:03.36 | dli | woodland, nvidia-kernel-source ? |
| 11:03.43 | CoR | Chantilly, it must help to you |
| 11:03.44 | woodland | liable, no, i was in command line mode trying to use irssi-text but it seems nobody can read me there |
| 11:04.00 | CoR | Chantilly, and run apt-get update again |
| 11:04.01 | dli | bartden, I don't know whether audacity is good enough? |
| 11:04.16 | bartden | dli: perhaps something for kde ? |
| 11:04.31 | woodland | dli, when i was using xfce4 i was fine, but after i removed it and installed gnome-core , my problem started |
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| 11:04.58 | Chantilly | yes CoR but i can't do nothing, my computer don't answer, screen black , like my screen is turn off |
| 11:05.01 | woodland | ChanServ, use 'aptitude' instead of 'apt-get' to install and remove pakages |
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| 11:05.11 | Meaw | how to restart apache? |
| 11:05.13 | CoR | woodland, what the trouble? |
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| 11:05.19 | woodland | ChanServ, are you in windows now ? |
| 11:05.25 | dli | Meaw, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 11:05.36 | dli | Meaw, it might be /etc/init.d/apache2 though |
| 11:05.49 | woodland | CoR, hi, after xdm starts, i also get blank screen |
| 11:05.53 | peyman_ | hey aall, I'm here to talk about UBUNTUUU :)) |
| 11:06.02 | CoR | Chantilly, gm. X-Server? Push CTRL+BACKSPACE |
| 11:06.09 | Tallu | !ubuntu |
| 11:06.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 11:06.11 | liable | peyman_: no, go to #ubuntu |
| 11:06.17 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.17 | Meaw | ty |
| 11:06.22 | woodland | CoR, also i cant use startx command though i have xbase-clients installed |
| 11:06.27 | CoR | woodland, edit you xserver configuration file |
| 11:06.31 | Chantilly | it's written "no signal" on my screen |
| 11:06.44 | woodland | CoR, how ? |
| 11:06.46 | Chantilly | i must reboot i think |
| 11:07.06 | EdLin | !drxx woodland |
| 11:07.06 | dpkg | woodland: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:07.17 | CoR | woodland, you must specify correct module in setcion Device |
| 11:07.55 | CoR | woodland, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you must modify this file |
| 11:08.01 | vik | Why might a kernel not be able to mount the root filesystem? |
| 11:08.07 | woodland | CoR, ok |
| 11:08.25 | CoR | vik, file system not present |
| 11:08.38 | woodland | CoR, so can i do dpkg-reonfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:08.45 | CoR | or vfs supprot switched off |
| 11:09.21 | dli | vik, be specific, which kernel? |
| 11:09.23 | Chantilly | i reboot my computer and when it's lunch again startx automaticaly it's down the screen :/ |
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| 11:09.38 | vik | 2.4.27. The 2.6 series work OK |
| 11:09.51 | woodland | Chantilly, its not 'lunch' its 'launch' |
| 11:10.04 | Chantilly | ok thanks :) |
| 11:10.31 | CoR | Chantilly, press Ctrl+backspace to kill xserver |
| 11:10.32 | Chantilly | i can't do anythings on the computer |
| 11:10.34 | vik | but 2.4.27 won't let me in |
| 11:10.48 | Chantilly | i do, but it's do nothing |
| 11:11.31 | CoR | Chantilly, you have comandline of the terminal? Or only blank screen? |
| 11:11.40 | Chantilly | only blank screen |
| 11:11.44 | Chantilly | i can't do anything |
| 11:12.12 | CoR | and ctrl+bacspase not working? |
| 11:12.40 | Chantilly | no :/ |
| 11:13.04 | Chantilly | the led of my screen is become "orange" |
| 11:13.08 | Chantilly | it's green normaly |
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| 11:14.31 | dli | Chantilly, do you have another computer there? |
| 11:14.51 | Chantilly | yes, i have on my other computer |
| 11:14.54 | Chantilly | i am |
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| 11:15.08 | vik | CoR, dli: The situation is thus: The filesystem was formatted as ext3. I've decided I don't want journalling, so am using it as ext2. The kernel I've just compiled has ext2 built it but ext3 as a module. Is there a magic number or something in the filesystem which distinguished between these two? |
| 11:15.10 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 11:15.29 | DaBlade | What do I need to do to have cron run a specific command once per week? |
| 11:15.31 | dli | Chantilly, you have? okay, ssh to the box, and easier to test X via ssh login |
| 11:15.52 | DaBlade | ( rm -rf /home/dablade/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logging/ ) |
| 11:15.53 | CoR | Chantilly, Your machibe will be die. Sorry. It is very pity to me. |
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| 11:16.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:16.16 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:16.24 | Chantilly | i don't configure and install ssh on the computer who don't work |
| 11:16.28 | vik | DaBlade: put the executable or a link into /etc/cron.weekly |
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| 11:16.44 | dli | Chantilly, "apt-get install ssh" |
| 11:16.45 | DaBlade | vik: Executable? So I gotta write a shell script for it? |
| 11:16.54 | gabrielknight | hi |
| 11:16.56 | vik | DaBlade: or edit /etc/crontab |
| 11:17.01 | CoR | DaBlade, you myst add rule in crontab by hand, or use graphical tool. |
| 11:17.04 | Morbo | DEATH TO WANKERDOWS |
| 11:17.15 | DaBlade | There is no /etc/crontab |
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| 11:17.21 | tarzeau | can't i have openoffice.org without that hsqldb stuff? |
| 11:17.22 | Chantilly | i can't dli when i reboot, i see the command line with dhcp time etc... then it's launch automitacly startx and i can't go anythings |
| 11:17.23 | DaBlade | Morbo: Don't troll. |
| 11:17.23 | vik | DaBlade: if it runs its executable |
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| 11:17.33 | CoR | DaBlade, there is no crond too. |
| 11:17.34 | Morbo | yes master |
| 11:17.35 | tarzeau | Morbo: hey what's wrong with wankerdows? |
| 11:17.37 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 11:17.41 | Morbo | its just gay |
| 11:17.47 | tarzeau | Morbo: it's not |
| 11:17.53 | TuxMeister | could anyone paste his path for me? |
| 11:17.53 | Morbo | it cant run msn and a media player without crashing |
| 11:17.57 | gabrielknight | Is here someone that knows news on multiarch in etch? |
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| 11:18.04 | EdLin | !tell alapzaj[AWAY] about away |
| 11:18.06 | tarzeau | Morbo: works perfect here, and itunes too |
| 11:18.15 | Morbo | shitty 256 ram :( |
| 11:18.18 | tarzeau | Morbo: maybe your hardware is broken? |
| 11:18.20 | dli | Chantilly, in grub (I suppose you use grub), type "e" to add "single" to the line starting with "kernel", and type "b" to boot |
| 11:18.51 | Tallu | Morbo is just a troll, he's running his mouth on windows as well |
| 11:18.58 | DaBlade | Alright, I wrote a simple shell script to do the job. Now, this should just run, right? |
| 11:19.00 | Chantilly | ok i test dli |
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| 11:19.08 | DaBlade | (I put it into cron.weekly) |
| 11:19.14 | Morbo | i think trolls love under the bridge |
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| 11:21.09 | r3tex | is the default directory for axis, apache, mySQL, and everything on /var? |
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| 11:22.10 | dli | r3tex, sorry, but I don't understand your question |
| 11:22.30 | Chantilly | i type "e" when i select kernel" and i type "b" and it's launch startx again dli |
| 11:22.38 | Gnea | default? |
| 11:23.14 | r3tex | dli: the directory where apache, mysql and other similar applications keep all their variable data |
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| 11:23.54 | dli | Chantilly, e, and select the line starting with "kernel", "e" to append "single" to the end, enter, "b" to boot |
| 11:24.07 | Gnea | r3tex: that's why /var exists, yes |
| 11:24.07 | r3tex | excellent, thanx :) |
| 11:24.39 | Chantilly | i add "signle" at the end of the line of kernel ? |
| 11:24.50 | dli | Chantilly, yes |
| 11:25.00 | dli | Chantilly, "single" |
| 11:25.02 | CoR | Chantilly, of cource |
| 11:25.18 | Gnea | 'single', since 'married' is an unknown option |
| 11:25.32 | Chantilly | ok |
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| 11:26.00 | brownie17 | if i don't want to log in as root, but i want to open a file browser window as root, can i do this? |
| 11:26.02 | Gnea | i'm j/k - single user mode to fix a broken system |
| 11:26.29 | Gnea | brownie17: yes |
| 11:26.35 | brownie17 | Gnea, how's that? |
| 11:26.48 | Gnea | brownie17: you become root, you type the command |
| 11:26.54 | EdLin | brownie17: well, for a shell you use su |
| 11:27.02 | Gnea | !sux |
| 11:27.02 | dpkg | somebody said sux was su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 11:27.02 | Chantilly | it's good dli |
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| 11:27.06 | Chantilly | i have console |
| 11:27.09 | brownie17 | EdLin, no i mean the Nautilus file browser window |
| 11:27.10 | dli | brownie17, sux sucks, but it works, "apt-get install sux", "sux xterm" |
| 11:27.18 | EdLin | brownie17: try using gksu |
| 11:27.43 | brownie17 | EdLin, just gksu nautilus? |
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| 11:28.05 | EdLin | brownie17: I think so - it's been a long time since I've used that |
| 11:28.14 | brownie17 | EdLin, yeah it worked, thanks |
| 11:28.19 | CoR | Chantilly, now you can try to fix your system |
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| 11:28.23 | EdLin | np |
| 11:28.40 | Chantilly | yes CoR |
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| 11:28.51 | Chantilly | but i don't know how :/ i have in the same point like first |
| 11:29.07 | dli | Chantilly, apt-get install ssh |
| 11:29.28 | Chantilly | c'est bon c'est installer |
| 11:29.42 | EdLin | !fr |
| 11:29.43 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 11:30.02 | zu22 | !cn |
| 11:30.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 11:30.04 | zu22 | !jp |
| 11:30.05 | dpkg | methinks jp is Japan |
| 11:30.17 | brownie17 | EdLin, lol, text based is all fine and dandy, and i knew the commands, but for exactly what i was doing in the scale i was doing it it was quicker to use the menu driven file manager |
| 11:30.19 | EdLin | zu22: /msg the bots |
| 11:30.23 | Chantilly | It's good it's install dli |
| 11:30.30 | tombs | hi all |
| 11:30.30 | aronofsky | hi , i got a problem with k3b, i use k3b setup to set permission on cdrecord binary , it sets rws--x--- 1 root burning , but even if my user is in burning group it cant acces cdrecord binary , should i add read right . |
| 11:30.56 | EdLin | brownie17: "file" and other programs can make even the most complex tasks doable from the command line |
| 11:31.05 | EdLin | s/file/find |
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| 11:33.07 | brownie17 | EdLin, when i tried "file -f /home/fraser/Desktop/limewire.zip" it nearly had a heart attack |
| 11:33.21 | EdLin | brownie17: I corrected myself - find, not file |
| 11:33.33 | brownie17 | EdLin, oh okay, cool |
| 11:33.37 | EdLin | brownie17: and read the manual |
| 11:34.38 | Chantilly | thanks to your help dli , cor and all |
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| 11:34.58 | EdLin | brownie17: if you're willing to make a worthwhile investment, go and get O'Reilly's "Unix Power Tools", it will teach you all sorts of command line tricks |
| 11:35.02 | Chantilly | i format and reinstall debian :p , it will be maybe works after |
| 11:35.11 | vik | So on trying to boot, the kernel panics with something like: VFS: Could not mount root filesystem on 03:01. Any ideas? |
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| 11:35.47 | brownie17 | EdLin, sounds like a plan, is that widely available in book stores, or is it an online book? |
| 11:36.01 | brownie17 | EdLin, is it only for baSH? |
| 11:36.11 | EdLin | brownie17: it's in book stores, and maybe available online for Safari |
| 11:36.12 | CoR | Chantilly, not good idea |
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| 11:36.18 | EdLin | via Safari* |
| 11:36.49 | EdLin | brownie17: it's not only about bash, it's about the entire Unix toolkit |
| 11:36.58 | Chantilly | i have maybe did a bad things when i install ,CoR |
| 11:37.01 | Chantilly | i prefer to be sur |
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| 11:38.06 | brownie17 | EdLin, okay, cool |
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| 11:38.56 | CoR | Chantilly, hz |
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| 11:42.01 | EdLin | brownie17: if you mean does it cover GUI tools, it has only limited coverage of the X Window System. |
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| 11:42.23 | EdLin | phoey |
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| 11:44.16 | kristalino | which tool is recommended serve (INET)-names ? |
| 11:44.45 | dli | kristalino, sorry, but I don't understand your question |
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| 11:46.46 | kristalino | dli, is tinydns, or DJBDNS or "whatever" better than bind ? |
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| 11:47.21 | dli | kristalino, oh, dns, I heard tinydns is good, but I use bind9 myself |
| 11:47.26 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 11:48.00 | kristalino | dli, is tinydns better than bind ? Why ? |
| 11:48.07 | redblades | Is there a OO.o channel? |
| 11:48.13 | silverpower | Ugh, my freshly-installed sparc box is giving me fits wrt the X server. |
| 11:48.27 | redblades | If not, I'm getting a bit confused with Impress |
| 11:49.06 | silverpower | (sarge, sparc64, kernel 2.4, glint driver on xfree86-4.3.?.) |
| 11:49.12 | DevilChaos | what is the need for m3u files when ripping mp3s? |
| 11:51.05 | Eulex | redblades, there's #debian-oo |
| 11:51.06 | silverpower | If I turn off "UseFBDev" X comes up but exhibits a known and long-solved glint bug. If it's on, the X server crashes it (not to the point where it refuses to honor Stop-A). |
| 11:51.39 | Eulex | redblades, and #openoffice.org |
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| 11:54.16 | silverpower | Should I just give up and jump to straight to testing (never mind that it may end up forcing a 2.6 kernel on me, not something I want)? |
| 11:54.42 | DevilChaos | why do you not want the 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:55.41 | silverpower | DevilChaos: Because X.org/XFree86 have a severe problem dealing with multiple PCI domains, and the fix only works on 2.4. |
| 11:57.15 | silverpower | DevilChaos: (Keep in mind that I'm on a sparc, which is one of the platforms that 2.6 still isn't quite ready yet on.) |
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| 11:57.51 | silverpower | On an x86 or ppc, I'd use 2.6, no question. |
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| 11:58.59 | DevilChaos | i c |
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| 12:00.06 | silverpower | Oooh, yay, now the system locks on boot because the X server starts before I get to play whack-a-mole with it, much less getting to to behave! Is there a way to disable gdm at the silo prompt? |
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| 12:02.47 | Candid | hi, does anyone know how to tell postfix to use system accounts for authentication? i always recieve 503 Error: authentication not enabled |
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| 12:03.44 | CoR | silverpower, remove gdm symbolyc link from /etc/rc2.d |
| 12:05.29 | silverpower | Never mind, the good old 'init=/bin/bash + mount -o remount,rw /' trick let me fix my XF86Config so that it at least doesn't hang the machine. |
| 12:06.17 | CoR | silverpower, you right |
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| 12:07.03 | fluor- | which PCI UltraATA133 controler would you recommand? I've been using Promise UltraTX2 until now, but they proved to be pretty unstable for me |
| 12:07.38 | exist | i cant install kde |
| 12:07.43 | exist | amd 64 etch |
| 12:08.04 | exist | please help |
| 12:08.07 | liable | !amd-64 |
| 12:08.14 | liable | !amd64 |
| 12:08.14 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 12:08.35 | liable | exist: try the support channel for 64 |
| 12:08.59 | CoolCubix | !gentoo |
| 12:08.59 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
| 12:09.05 | exist | liable, name of channel? |
| 12:09.21 | liable | exist: read what dpkg siad |
| 12:09.24 | liable | said |
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| 12:09.25 | Ronin | exist: read, never mind |
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| 12:10.05 | exist | sorry |
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| 12:12.34 | pinucset | somebody can say me when xgl and compiz will be available in debian unstable please? |
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| 12:13.06 | liable | pinucset: they are waiting on upstream |
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| 12:14.37 | liable | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#whataboutxgl |
| 12:14.43 | LaoWang | hello |
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| 12:15.33 | Chantilly | I have an other error now when i start startx. (EE) VESA vm86 syscall generated signal 11. |
| 12:15.46 | Chantilly | (EE) Screen found but none have a usable configuration |
| 12:15.49 | Chantilly | Fatal server error |
| 12:15.52 | Chantilly | no screens found |
| 12:16.06 | Chantilly | any one know how i can resolve my problem ? |
| 12:16.24 | superlinux | any body here is using dansguardian (DG)? |
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| 12:18.15 | LaoWang | u may use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
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| 12:18.36 | CoR | Chantilly, you must create the Screen section in your configuration file |
| 12:18.55 | Chantilly | how can i do that CoR ? |
| 12:19.35 | LaoWang | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:20.25 | superlinux | LaoWang, this method never worked with me |
| 12:20.26 | dli | ChanServ, listen to LaoWang |
| 12:20.30 | superlinux | I donno why |
| 12:20.38 | LaoWang | oh,sorry |
| 12:20.39 | superlinux | I do it all manually |
| 12:21.02 | superlinux | if any body wants my notes on setting up X tell me |
| 12:21.05 | CoR | Chantilly, for example, vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 12:21.11 | dli | superlinux, you got it manual, you can get it drxx |
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| 12:22.03 | superlinux | dli, drxx =? |
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| 12:22.10 | zu22 | i need to update my debian machine, it hasn't been updated in 18 months, Xfree86 is no longer supported but that is only xserver I have installed, what should i do to get X.org xserver installed? and will i have dependency problems if i "dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86"? |
| 12:22.18 | dli | !drxx |
| 12:22.18 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 12:22.43 | superlinux | thanks |
| 12:22.56 | dli | zu22, dist-upgrade |
| 12:23.01 | LaoWang | zu22, aptitude purge xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:23.26 | CoR | dli, u must make dist-upgrade |
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| 12:23.37 | CoR | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:23.40 | Chantilly | [14:18:38] <CoR> Chantilly, you must create the Screen section in your configuration file ==> There are allready a screen section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:23.56 | CoR | but the first, you must edit you sources.list |
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| 12:24.17 | mynullvoid | zu22: don't forget to apt-get update |
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| 12:25.20 | CoR | Chantilly, Driver "nvidia" <- Is this string present in section Device? |
| 12:26.04 | crown_aL-zawahir | KSAFKA LKAF |
| 12:26.11 | Chantilly | no, it's vesa CoR |
| 12:26.33 | mynullvoid | CoR: nv |
| 12:26.40 | dli | Chantilly, upgrade to testing, or use "nv" |
| 12:27.01 | Chantilly | I just change directly in the file ? I delete vesa and type "nv" ? |
| 12:27.08 | Chantilly | or i must launch dpkg etc.. ? |
| 12:27.10 | CoR | mynullvoid, not nv, nvidia. nv is standart driver from xfree distro. |
| 12:27.26 | crown_aL-zawahir | AKHAH KZLL;SX |
| 12:27.35 | asg | crown_aL-zawahir: no, speak English or go away |
| 12:27.41 | CoR | nvidia is not open driver of the vendor. |
| 12:27.53 | crown_aL-zawahir | SORRY |
| 12:27.54 | CoR | Chantilly, change vesa on nvidia |
| 12:28.12 | asg | crown_aL-zawahir: and learn how to use your Capslock key |
| 12:28.13 | silverpower | crown_aL-zawahir: And turn off the Caps Lock, it's annoying. |
| 12:28.14 | CoR | Chantilly, and press SHIFT+ZZ |
| 12:28.16 | mynullvoid | Chantilly: the installation will guide you to install xorg, if not working just dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:28.20 | CoR | for save changes |
| 12:29.04 | dli | Chantilly, for testing only, you can edit it, but the debian way is drxx |
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| 12:29.24 | crown_aL-zawahir | n-vidia |
| 12:29.32 | asg | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:29.33 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 12:29.58 | crown_aL-zawahir | bjda'ig lagu;w ;;pyydfuausge |
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| 12:33.43 | zu22 | mynullvoid: ok thx |
| 12:33.55 | zu22 | laowang: thx |
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| 12:34.06 | zu22 | dli: thx |
| 12:34.11 | mynullvoid | zu22: np |
| 12:34.16 | wisnu | ;dop[yted |
| 12:34.36 | wisnu | susu big |
| 12:34.44 | asg | wisnu: changing your nick will not help. Speak English or fuck off |
| 12:35.03 | wisnu | ok ,soory |
| 12:35.20 | mynullvoid | wisnu: what language you speak? |
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| 12:35.28 | asg | mynullvoid: latvian |
| 12:35.45 | mynullvoid | wow.... sorry I am out |
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| 12:35.55 | wisnu | sorry man |
| 12:36.22 | mynullvoid | i can understand english, malay, indonesia and tamil |
| 12:36.58 | mynullvoid | asg: are you one of deb devel? |
| 12:36.59 | wisnu | OK in indonesian |
| 12:37.07 | asg | mynullvoid: no |
| 12:37.09 | wisnu | yes |
| 12:37.59 | morsing | asg: Twat |
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| 12:37.59 | knithx | hi |
| 12:37.59 | knithx | how can i translate debian into spanish? |
| 12:38.00 | knithx | i did: |
| 12:38.00 | asg | morsing: ? |
| 12:38.00 | wisnu | anjing |
| 12:38.00 | knithx | dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
| 12:38.11 | knithx | and i selected spanish |
| 12:38.14 | mynullvoid | wisnu: dog? |
| 12:38.18 | knithx | but it is still in englis |
| 12:38.28 | mynullvoid | knithx: google convert ? |
| 12:38.50 | wisnu | sikshvsl kjsgfosaijvjoa iatf9ahc |
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| 12:39.00 | knithx | is there anyway to translate all the apps? |
| 12:39.12 | knithx | i had already the kde in spanish |
| 12:39.15 | knithx | but not the rest of the apps |
| 12:39.19 | wisnu | ioaug pswgpswpup p9rugp |
| 12:39.30 | CoRe-X | gm |
| 12:39.53 | wisnu | 8][q'[a n[e sdfp ifld,,,kud7denrog |
| 12:40.11 | mynullvoid | wisnu: like asg advice - english please |
| 12:40.17 | CoRe-X | wtf? |
| 12:40.19 | liable | wisnu: stop it |
| 12:40.30 | CoRe-X | wisnu, you sily |
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| 12:40.48 | knithx | is there anyway to translate all the apps? |
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| 12:41.09 | mynullvoid | knithx: define all |
| 12:41.43 | silverpower | knithx: As you've probably learned by now, the state of Linux i18n isn't all that great. |
| 12:42.01 | CoRe-X | Are there russian developers present in the debian team? |
| 12:42.16 | asg | there are |
| 12:42.55 | CoRe-X | asg, you are from russia? |
| 12:43.20 | Chantilly | CoR when i put nvidia in driver my screen is turn off :/ |
| 12:43.24 | Chantilly | i can't put nvidia in driver |
| 12:43.26 | Rothgar` | Hmm |
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| 12:43.28 | Rothgar` | http://ambientirony.mu.nu/Images/OpenBSD.jpg |
| 12:43.43 | asg | CoRe-X: no, I'm not Russian (http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc) |
| 12:43.53 | CoRe-X | ChanServ, tou are install drivers not correctly |
| 12:44.28 | mynullvoid | copy and paste this as root: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 12:45.25 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, show me ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/nvidia |
| 12:45.43 | Rothgar` | ChanServ is not installing drivers correctly, Oh No! |
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| 12:46.02 | CoRe-X | Rothgar`, gygy |
| 12:46.22 | knithx | mynullvoid: the apps who are not from kde |
| 12:46.43 | Chantilly | ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/nvidia ==> this command is not good, it's make error |
| 12:46.44 | silverpower | knithx: Have you set up your locale properly? |
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| 12:46.57 | knithx | yes |
| 12:47.04 | knithx | silverpower: yes |
| 12:47.05 | Chantilly | in the repertory modules, i have a repertory 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 12:48.24 | Chantilly | i have nvidia.o in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/nvidia CoRe-X |
| 12:48.32 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, what the error? |
| 12:48.44 | knithx | silverpower: what should i do now? |
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| 12:49.02 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, ok. Then launch modprobe nvidia |
| 12:49.03 | Chantilly | with nvidia driver, i have no error, my screen become blank/black like it is turn off |
| 12:49.09 | Chantilly | and i can't do anything |
| 12:49.11 | moke1809 | hallo all |
| 12:49.21 | Chantilly | with vesa or nv driver i have other error |
| 12:49.31 | moke1809 | what are you using instead of bootlogd in etch? |
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| 12:49.47 | moke1809 | need something to catch the boot process |
| 12:49.52 | silverpower | knithx: Not sure. My native langauge is English (though I use a Japanese IME setup at times). Debian's way of doing things is still alien to me. :) |
| 12:50.05 | Chantilly | i launch modeprobe nvidia ( no error but it's wrote nothing on the screen) |
| 12:50.11 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, what the error with vesa? |
| 12:50.27 | knithx | ok thx |
| 12:50.40 | Chantilly | [14:15:34] <Chantilly> I have an other error now when i start startx. (EE) VESA vm86 syscall generated signal 11. |
| 12:50.40 | Chantilly | [14:15:47] <Chantilly> (EE) Screen found but none have a usable configuration |
| 12:50.40 | Chantilly | [14:15:51] <Chantilly> Fatal server error |
| 12:50.40 | Chantilly | [14:15:54] <Chantilly> no screens found |
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| 12:50.44 | silverpower | knithx: Good luck! :) |
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| 12:50.48 | superlinux | Chantilly, I have something else w.r.t nvidia driver that I cant see the tty's any more.. only X which is working normally |
| 12:50.51 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, its ok. Then you cat try to launch gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 12:51.17 | superlinux | when I switch to the ttys no shell prompt at all |
| 12:51.20 | moke1809 | anybody bootlogd? |
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| 12:51.43 | asg | moke1809: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 12:51.48 | moke1809 | etch |
| 12:51.59 | asg | moke1809: did you enable it in /etc/default/bootlogd? |
| 12:52.01 | moke1809 | there is bootlog in sarge |
| 12:52.04 | Chantilly | [14:50:52] <CoRe-X> Chantilly, its ok. Then you cat try to launch gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm start ==> i just do that with nvidia driver, and my computer is ko, the screen is blank |
| 12:52.07 | CoRe-X | superlinux, you have a bad inittab |
| 12:52.08 | liable | moke1809: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 12:52.13 | moke1809 | can not find it in etch |
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| 12:52.28 | liable | meh |
| 12:52.31 | Chantilly | CoRe-X have you see my error with vesa ? |
| 12:52.34 | moke1809 | jep, but there is no package bootlogd instaled |
| 12:52.51 | liable | its not a package |
| 12:52.52 | asg | moke1809: it's part of sysvinit |
| 12:52.59 | moke1809 | ohh |
| 12:53.02 | mynullvoid | guys! how can I get my "Windows Start Button" in my keyboard to be "Gnome Start Button" ? |
| 12:53.06 | superlinux | CoRe-X, it was running using the "nv" module. and not the "nvidia" |
| 12:53.17 | moke1809 | i think it was separate in sarge or am i wrong? |
| 12:53.32 | asg | moke1809: bootlogd doesn't exist in sarge |
| 12:53.36 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, ok, show me your error |
| 12:53.36 | liable | mynullvoid: does xev give a code for it? |
| 12:53.52 | moke1809 | ok, my bad sorry! |
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| 12:53.55 | sander | which package should I install when I get "glib.h: No such file or directory" |
| 12:53.59 | mynullvoid | liable: xev? |
| 12:54.02 | moke1809 | will activeate it now |
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| 12:54.14 | sander | already tried libglib2.0-dev |
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| 12:54.26 | liable | asg: its in sarge |
| 12:54.36 | n0t_flan | mynullvoid, try Desktop -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. The entry you want is 'Show the panel menu'. |
| 12:54.44 | CoRe-X | superlinux, nv module is open module from xfree, without opengl, this is "fuflo" |
| 12:54.51 | moke1809 | liable: so i am not wrong after all:)? |
| 12:55.01 | liable | mynullvoid: yes, type xev in a term and then hit the key |
| 12:55.09 | asg | !find glib.h sarge |
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| 12:55.17 | Chantilly | (EE) VESA vm86 syscall generated signal 11. |
| 12:55.19 | Chantilly | (EE) Screen found but none have a usable configuration |
| 12:55.24 | Chantilly | Fatal server error |
| 12:55.24 | superlinux | CoRe-X, what should I do to make it work? |
| 12:55.25 | sander | strange.. the file /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h exists |
| 12:55.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glib.h' (6 of 17): (/usr/include/oop-glib.h) in libdevel/liboop-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/mrtg/html/mrtglib.html) in net/mrtg ;; (/usr/include/taglib/taglib.h) in libdevel/libtag1-dev ;; (/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h) in libdevel/libglib2.0-dev ;; (/usr/include/glib-1.2/glib.h) in libdevel/libglib1.2-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/jpeg/jpeglib.h) in devel/mozilla-dev. |
| 12:55.29 | Chantilly | no screens found |
| 12:55.30 | asg | liable: ah, so it is |
| 12:55.35 | superlinux | CoRe-X, what should I do to make tty's work? |
| 12:55.35 | CoRe-X | superlinux, nvidia module by vendor. It has a closed code. |
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| 12:56.02 | moke1809 | asg: ok, then i'm not sorry:))) |
| 12:56.02 | superlinux | true.. but does that mean I cant do any thing? |
| 12:56.06 | asg | sander: did you make clean after installing the package? Do that then re-run ./configure --foo |
| 12:56.30 | CoRe-X | superlinux, 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 for enabling first terminal. |
| 12:56.47 | CoRe-X | for example, of cource. You may change runlevels |
| 12:56.49 | row | Hi, I take it I can use linux-image-2.6.16-1-xen-686 for dom0 and linux-image-2.6.16-1-xen-vserver-686 for domU on a xen setup right or do I have to compile a xen patched kernel still? |
| 12:57.00 | asg | moke1809: indeed |
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| 12:57.53 | superlinux | CoRe-X, they are already setup like that! |
| 12:58.32 | sander | asg, I did. |
| 12:58.34 | asg | row: there is a howto at debian-administration.org and one at howtoforge.com that will give you more info |
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| 12:58.37 | row | scrap that google answered my question |
| 12:58.39 | CoRe-X | superlinux, I dont now. I haven't this problem. |
| 12:58.41 | row | asg: just found it ;) |
| 12:59.08 | superlinux | CoRe-X, what is your Mboard? |
| 12:59.20 | superlinux | I have an ASUS |
| 12:59.27 | sander | asg: its fucking up when "#include <glib.h>" comes... |
| 12:59.39 | Chantilly | I have an other error, Failed to load module GLcore (module does not exist) Skipping /ust/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a No symbols found |
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| 13:00.05 | CoRe-X | superlinux, GA-7VA on KT400 with AC'97 sound. This is a shit. |
| 13:00.11 | asg | sander: did you check the output of ./configure to verify that it found compliant glib headers? |
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| 13:00.26 | netman1 | row: Mind to provide a link? |
| 13:00.30 | sander | asg, no.. since this package dosnt have a configure script. |
| 13:00.34 | termitor | hello , how to make local depot with multidirectory ? |
| 13:00.39 | sander | asg: how do I check it |
| 13:01.02 | row | netman1: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/396 |
| 13:01.08 | superlinux | CoRe-X, mine is similar |
| 13:01.12 | netman1 | row: thanks. |
| 13:01.18 | termitor | for add line deb file:/toto ./ test test2 |
| 13:01.21 | row | netman1: np :) |
| 13:01.25 | superlinux | ASUS k8v-x |
| 13:01.30 | splattnik | !info kicker |
| 13:01.31 | asg | sander: oh, I see. |
| 13:01.35 | dpkg | kicker: (desktop panel for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.2-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1929 kB, Installed size: 5428 kB |
| 13:02.03 | superlinux | CoRe-X, the AC97 sound needs always to use alsa OSS emulation |
| 13:02.07 | termitor | TT please |
| 13:02.09 | asg | sander: what is it you are compiling? |
| 13:02.18 | superlinux | use "aoss" for it |
| 13:02.25 | netman1 | termitor: apt-cache show apt-proxy |
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| 13:02.31 | asg | sander: you might also try #gnome on irc.gnome.org also |
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| 13:02.44 | termitor | netman1, no i'm what create my depot |
| 13:02.57 | sander | i'm trying to compile an obex_socket.c file. dosnt really matter.. #include <glib.h> still dosnt work. |
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| 13:03.16 | termitor | netman1, off personnal packages |
| 13:03.40 | termitor | (my english very bad , sorry) |
| 13:03.49 | termitor | s/off/of/ |
| 13:03.53 | netman1 | termitor: That's what I meant. I installed apt-proxy and added a /debian-local/ with my own packages. |
| 13:03.58 | r3tex | which mysql server do i install mysql-server or mysql-server-5.0 |
| 13:04.23 | termitor | netman1, it make the Packages.gz too ? |
| 13:04.28 | r3tex | damn, nevermind |
| 13:04.30 | asg | r3tex: mysql-server is just a convenience package. |
| 13:04.36 | r3tex | i noticed :P |
| 13:04.42 | netman1 | termitor: You'll have to do that for your self ;-) |
| 13:04.49 | n0t_flan | r3tex, a lot of Debian packages omit the version number because they always point to the most recent package available. |
| 13:05.07 | daft | If a debian box is compimized and its some what remote. is it a good idea to install a new debian install with crosshurd? |
| 13:05.16 | n0t_flan | When you upgrade, they'll handle updates for you. |
| 13:05.45 | termitor | netcraft, how make packages.gz for multiple directory ? |
| 13:05.54 | termitor | netcraft, how make packages.gz for multiple directory ?in one files |
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| 13:06.57 | netman1 | termitor: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 13:07.14 | mynullvoid | r3tex: this might help you abit: apt-cache show mysql-server |
| 13:07.27 | termitor | netman1, and what commande do thas, i'm don't know, the man is very minimal |
| 13:07.56 | mynullvoid | termitor: try apropos |
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| 13:08.06 | netman1 | termitor: try it, break things, learn ;-) |
| 13:08.22 | r3tex | mynullvoid: ok :) |
| 13:08.59 | termitor | mynullvoid, ?? |
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| 13:09.24 | mynullvoid | termitor: try apropos <<anything>> |
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| 13:09.55 | mynullvoid | termitor: apropos - search the manual page names and descriptions |
| 13:10.23 | mynullvoid | termitor: for me; apropos comes before info or man |
| 13:10.42 | asg | termitor: also, apt-get install debian-reference |
| 13:10.58 | jayeola | man -K foo |
| 13:11.02 | termitor | root@proton:/home/deb-dapper# apropos apt-ftparchive |
| 13:11.03 | termitor | apt-ftparchive (1) - Utility to generate index files |
| 13:11.19 | termitor | mynullvoid, so , fantastique |
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| 13:11.44 | mynullvoid | termitor: fantastique debian - it is |
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| 13:14.03 | Chantilly | I succeed to install NVIDIA driver |
| 13:14.10 | Chantilly | If anybody want to know how i do |
| 13:14.17 | Chantilly | i just follow this link |
| 13:14.22 | Chantilly | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8756.html |
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| 13:14.54 | tarzeau | has someone got a bitmap font of old hgc/mda card? |
| 13:15.28 | asg | tarzeau: if anyone does, it would be toresbe |
| 13:15.38 | tarzeau | !seen toresbe |
| 13:15.38 | dpkg | toresbe <i=tsb@developer.skolelinux.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20d 3h 47m 51s ago, saying: 'yeah, Knight_Lord I guess you're right'. |
| 13:15.39 | mooded | hey all.. anybody has a sb128 running with udev ? (chipset ens1371) .. my prob is, card is in /proc/asound/cards.. but no /dev/dsp* is present.. anybody has a hint ? |
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| 13:16.09 | n0t_flan | mooded, /dev/snd? |
| 13:16.14 | cahoot | mooded: snd-pcm-oss not loaded? |
| 13:16.32 | mynullvoid | Chantilly: good for you; to confirm; try lsmod nvidia |
| 13:16.32 | splattnik | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
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| 13:16.55 | mynullvoid | Chantilly: good for you; to confirm; try lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 13:17.00 | mooded | n0t_flan, /dev/snd show some entries.. |
| 13:17.41 | cahoot | mooded: the native alsa devices are in /dev/snd - you lookfor it's oss emulation device -/dev/dsp |
| 13:17.41 | mooded | cahoot, right.. looks like snd-pcm-oss isnt loaded |
| 13:17.57 | Chantilly | i have an other problem mynullvoid , when i start gdm a window ask to me a login , but when i put my user , it's say it don't found it. And when i put ROOT it's say root don't have access to it :/ |
| 13:18.09 | mooded | cahoot, ah.. thanks.. that clears it up a bit :) |
| 13:18.40 | mynullvoid | Chantilly: first of all, do you put correct username and passwd? |
| 13:18.50 | Chantilly | yes i put correct |
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| 13:19.35 | Chantilly | i restart my computer |
| 13:19.54 | Chantilly | i had launch kernel single |
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| 13:20.00 | Chantilly | maybe it's the cause |
| 13:20.18 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, root login is disabled for security |
| 13:20.37 | _spOOn_ | hey ppl am trying to setup my nvidia card in debian and am following the guide etc. |
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| 13:20.43 | mooded | cahoot, thanks again.. loading snd-pcm-oss and turning up volume.. all fine |
| 13:20.47 | _spOOn_ | only when i try and install nvidia-glx |
| 13:20.48 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, and now you must load kernel in normal multy mode. |
| 13:21.01 | _spOOn_ | it tells me i have to remove xserver-xorg |
| 13:21.04 | Chantilly | yes, i restart in normal mode and it's good |
| 13:21.06 | Chantilly | it's work :) |
| 13:21.08 | _spOOn_ | now how is that going to work? |
| 13:21.12 | Chantilly | Thanks to all :) |
| 13:21.26 | cahoot | mooded: alsaconf *should* have enabled it |
| 13:21.46 | splattnik | _spOOn_: following http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
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| 13:22.37 | Chantilly | I have an other question :D, my resolution is 600*480, how can i put more ? |
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| 13:22.59 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, (-: |
| 13:23.19 | mynullvoid | Chantilly: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:23.19 | _spOOn_ | no using the guide located at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:23.31 | CoRe-X | Chantilly, you can specify other modes in your XF86Config |
| 13:23.51 | Phrankeh | hey folks, just tried to install debian on my new Dell POS (stupid dell) and it doesn't seem to want to support my Intel 82865G video, if anyone happens to know where I can find a step-by-step to get better than 640x480 I'd give you my first born |
| 13:23.52 | Chantilly | ok thanks :) |
| 13:24.06 | cahoot | mooded: btw - what sound app did you run that didn't know how to use alsa? |
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| 13:24.18 | asg | Phrankeh: try using the 'vesa' X module instead of the i810 |
| 13:24.43 | dvs | Phrankeh: That's usually caused by not entering the right frequencies for you monitor. |
| 13:24.51 | Phrankeh | actually i did use the vesa mode, lol didn't even think to try 810 |
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| 13:25.56 | CoRe-X | I need Eclipce developer's environment. Where i can get it? From unstable? |
| 13:25.57 | mooded | cahoot, first.. alsaconf wasnt installed, therefore i cant blame it ;) i installed without really thinking. .shame on me .. second, it was xmms |
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| 13:26.30 | _spOOn_ | so, can anyone help me out with my nvidia problems? |
| 13:26.44 | asg | CoRe-X: /msg dpkg java-package (then you can either use the debian package or just download it from eclipse.org) |
| 13:27.09 | cahoot | mooded: tell xmms to use alsa output |
| 13:27.14 | CoRe-X | _spOOn_, what the trouble? |
| 13:27.34 | mooded | cahoot, did already.. still i needed the oss-devices for lame games like enemy-territory that (afaik) dont know how to use alsa-devices |
| 13:27.52 | mooded | cahoot, therefore i didnt change xmms at first cause its easier way of testing |
| 13:27.55 | cahoot | mooded:I doubt games can |
| 13:28.02 | _spOOn_ | when i try and install nvidia-glx, it removes xserver-xorg |
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| 13:28.45 | n0t_flan | _spOOn_, the Wiki page in the topic may be useful. |
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| 13:28.56 | mooded | cahoot, i dont know any game that can either.. |
| 13:29.02 | _spOOn_ | thats what im going by |
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| 13:29.38 | _spOOn_ | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 13:30.43 | n0t_flan | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 Read this one. |
| 13:30.54 | dvs | ok |
| 13:30.56 | dvs | ;-) |
| 13:30.56 | n0t_flan | I get the feeling the 'xserver-xorg' part may be relevant. |
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| 13:31.38 | n0t_flan | It also has some stuff about nVidia, which worked for one of my systems. |
| 13:31.41 | KingCrime | hey guys, i've got a big problem |
| 13:31.56 | KingCrime | i installed debian sarge on an 300gb usb2-hd |
| 13:32.13 | KingCrime | but on booting it gives me a kernel panic |
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| 13:32.31 | KingCrime | can you help me? :( |
| 13:32.56 | sepski | KingCrime, likely your usb modules are not on your initrd, boot on knoppix or install cd's mount and chroot add your needed modues to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and recreate the image |
| 13:33.21 | KingCrime | ok |
| 13:33.25 | sepski | altho it would help with the _actual_ error instead of just "it panics" |
| 13:33.34 | KingCrime | yeah mom |
| 13:33.36 | row | I get a kernel panic with xen kernel "432: cannot open dev/console : No such file." when booting what would cause that? |
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| 13:34.43 | KingCrime|essen | this: /sbin/init/: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file |
| 13:34.59 | KingCrime|essen | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 13:35.03 | KingCrime|essen | that was it |
| 13:35.20 | row | KingCrime|essen: yeah that was it basicly, whats causing that tho, non xen kernel of same version works fine. |
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| 13:35.49 | ranpha | what is de user:group name for all users *so that anyone can acces everthing when i mount the filesystem in any linux area( |
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| 13:36.19 | sepski | row, create the /dev/console in your root partition the app devfs/or whatever havent created it at the time it's needed |
| 13:36.41 | row | sepski: its there atm tho odd. |
| 13:37.05 | sepski | have you mounted your root partition on /mnt and cheked ? |
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| 13:37.18 | KingCrime|essen | so i have to build a knew initrd with usb-drivers? |
| 13:37.19 | row | I rebooted into normal kernel and it was there. |
| 13:37.42 | KingCrime|essen | @sepski |
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| 13:38.03 | row | sepski: happened again does xen kernel not support lvm? |
| 13:38.10 | SharpView | hi all. just installed debian. installer works ok, but after reboot grub switches to a wrong screenmode. i can hardly read anything in the grub menu. after booting the kernel the system stays in this unreadable screenmode. does anybody have any sugestions? |
| 13:38.15 | ranpha | what is de user:group name for all users *so that anyone can acces everthing when i mount the filesystem in any linux area( |
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| 13:38.28 | sepski | kingcrime dosnt look like a disk device/fs error no |
| 13:38.41 | KingCrime|essen | mh |
| 13:38.51 | KingCrime|essen | quite hard for me to fix this error |
| 13:39.03 | Gathond | ranpha: just set the permissions so everyone has full access, user, group and others |
| 13:40.03 | CoRe-X | how i can load new kernel without reboot of the system? |
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| 13:40.12 | asg | CoRe-X: you can't yet |
| 13:40.22 | ranpha | gathond but how can i set this for ever so that everyone can acces it |
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| 13:41.03 | Gathond | ranpha: it its a filesystem that supports the unix permission scheme it should remember it |
| 13:41.14 | Gathond | ranpha: if its not its usually settable at mount time |
| 13:41.16 | KingCrime|essen | ah, i think i know now how to fix the error |
| 13:41.39 | ranpha | gathond but what about the user and group nobody and noone |
| 13:41.47 | row | sepski: if I am booting into 2.6.16-1-686 fine but the xen version is give the above error what would you suggest? |
| 13:41.55 | KingCrime|essen | but how can i access my hdds if debian doesn't boot? |
| 13:42.07 | maxy | My harddisk is constantly busy, and I can't find out what the hell it's doing! Is there something like "top" for file access? |
| 13:42.23 | Gathond | ranpha: why do you want to do it through users and groups?, the actual access permisions are seperate from the user and the group |
| 13:42.31 | asg | KingCrime|essen: use the install disc or a live CD to boot and then use the tools on the disc to fix what's broken |
| 13:42.31 | row | KingCrime: use the debian installer cd and mount them from console. |
| 13:42.42 | Gathond | ranpha: it is just possible to set the permission for the user, the group and others seperately |
| 13:42.44 | KingCrime|essen | ok, i will try :) |
| 13:43.00 | KingCrime|essen | but which parameter do i need on booting from the dvd? |
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| 13:43.16 | ranpha | gathond just want to set up a all acces disk.. with ntfs is was easy but the security on a ext2 file system is harder |
| 13:43.18 | Gathond | ranpha: alternatively just add whatever group name and add all your users as a member of it |
| 13:43.57 | KingCrime|essen | bye, see you later ;) |
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| 13:44.25 | Gathond | ranpha: do however note that a user that makes a new file chooses the permissions of it |
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| 13:44.53 | mynullvoid | what is the best way to fix this: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 13:45.10 | ronca | hello, got a good one here...i am on cable my dl's are in the 400 to 700k/s but my browser takes a year to render pages.. it that my vid drivers or something to do with the browser?i have all 3 browsers and they take a bit..have a gforce 2 agp 32 megs and just installed debian |
| 13:45.27 | Gathond | mynullvoid: depends on whether you want to keep your customisations I suppose |
| 13:46.15 | mynullvoid | Gathond: you mean xorg.conf ? |
| 13:46.44 | Gathond | mynullvoid: no, I mean the file it says it wont update, in this case /etc/X11/X apparently |
| 13:46.50 | mynullvoid | Gathond: I deleted xorg.conf but got the same prompt when finish drxx |
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| 13:47.19 | Gathond | mynullvoid: well, it doesn't say xorg.conf is altered, but X |
| 13:47.24 | dpm | Question: if I want to rebuild a package downloaded with 'apt-get source' to which I've added a patch and modified the changelog. Will running 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' apply the patches under debian/patches before compilation? |
| 13:47.30 | ronca | this is my first stab a Linux also so i am somewhat illiterate to it all but i am learnig |
| 13:48.10 | mynullvoid | Gathond: X is a symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 13:48.32 | Gathond | mynullvoid: then I guess it thinks you modified that at some point |
| 13:48.33 | mynullvoid | which is a binary |
| 13:48.42 | Gathond | mynullvoid: probably the binary |
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| 13:48.51 | mynullvoid | yeap it is |
| 13:49.00 | n0t_flan | ronca, what are your other system specs, and what's the output of `cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver`? |
| 13:49.02 | Gathond | mynullvoid: if you dont want to save those modifications you can try moving it away |
| 13:49.18 | n0t_flan | (Relevant specs: RAM, processor) |
| 13:49.34 | mynullvoid | Gathond: moving xorg.conf? well I tried with no luck |
| 13:49.37 | n0t_flan | (And desktop environment: Gnome/KDE/Other) |
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| 13:50.26 | ronca | p3 933mhrz 256megs 20 gig 7200 hd latest release of Debian lemme go see on that last one! |
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| 13:51.48 | n0t_flan | ronca, I mean the name of the windowing system you're staring at. Do you see a little footprint next to a menu called 'Applications', or does everything start with a 'k'? |
| 13:52.04 | abrotman | maybe it's a big E |
| 13:52.11 | CoRe-X | asg, and what about kexec? This is software wich can let to load new kernel under running kernel! |
| 13:52.14 | dvs | n0t_flan: it has a start button. ;-) |
| 13:52.20 | asg | CoRe-X: yes but its still experimental |
| 13:52.21 | n0t_flan | Is E! a Debian standard? |
| 13:52.29 | n0t_flan | A what, dvs? |
| 13:52.32 | abrotman | nothing is standard |
| 13:52.33 | ronca | KDE, sorry |
| 13:52.35 | asg | *it's |
| 13:52.45 | abrotman | icewm can have a start buttom |
| 13:52.49 | dvs | doh! |
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| 13:53.01 | CoRe-X | asg, ok, thank you. |
| 13:53.05 | asg | CoRe-X: you're welcome |
| 13:53.08 | n0t_flan | I'm not sure what a start button is. |
| 13:53.12 | row | does the debian xen kernel not support lvm root partition? |
| 13:53.15 | dvs | n0t_flan: good |
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| 13:53.21 | dvs | keep it that way. ;-) |
| 13:54.03 | unfo | hi all, is there an easy way to install the proprietary VMware GSX / VMware Server kernel modules on Debian testing? |
| 13:54.10 | Gathond | mynullvoid: no, moving the file it bitches about:) |
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| 13:54.48 | sobsec | hi |
| 13:54.57 | mynullvoid | Gathond: I don't get you |
| 13:55.04 | unfo | sobsec: hi |
| 13:55.52 | sobsec | I've a problem with mysql-4.1 on sarge. it can't start: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 13:55.58 | Gathond | mynullvoid: well, apt says it wont overwrite /etc/X11/X because its been modified by some outside source, so I suggest trying to remove that symlink (and the file it points to) (or at the start just moving them so some safe location) |
| 13:56.05 | asg | unfo: use 'm-a prepare' and then just follow the instructions for installing VMware. |
| 13:56.25 | unfo | asg: i'll try. thanks for the tip. |
| 13:56.35 | Gathond | mynullvoid: if dpkg where having problems with xorg.conf I doubt very much it would say its /etc/X11/X that it the file it has problems with |
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| 13:56.47 | unfo | asg: this is even if I've upgraded to Debian kernel 2.6.15? |
| 13:57.05 | asg | unfo: it should |
| 13:57.26 | unfo | ok |
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| 13:57.59 | mynullvoid | Gathond: ok! anyway I am manually editing the xorg.conf ;) |
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| 13:58.37 | hjubal | hi |
| 13:58.46 | asg | sobsec: don't forget to follow the post install instructions in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:58.48 | ronca | nOt |
| 13:59.10 | Gathond | mynullvoid: just keep doing that, it just makes dpkg keeping its hands of that file, but in general that is fine |
| 13:59.13 | ronca | i am getting registered..be there in a sec |
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| 14:01.01 | _ANZL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.06 | _ANZL_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:02.06 | unfo | !tell _ANZL_ about fr |
| 14:02.11 | unfo | !tell _ANZL_ about de |
| 14:02.13 | unfo | !tell _ANZL_ about es |
| 14:02.20 | SharpView | hi all. just installed debian. installer works ok, but after reboot grub switches to a wrong screenmode. i can hardly read anything in the grub menu. after booting the kernel the system stays in this unreadable screenmode. does anybody have any sugestions? |
| 14:02.42 | unfo | SharpView: "unreadable screenmode"? |
| 14:03.50 | SharpView | well, the charakters are just a lot of unreadable pixels |
| 14:04.04 | unfo | ??? |
| 14:04.17 | SharpView | so I gues, grub chooses the wrong resolution. |
| 14:04.29 | abrotman | !tell unfo about msg the bot |
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| 14:04.55 | unfo | I messaged in public for a reason. |
| 14:05.23 | unfo | Although I have now found out that in slovenia they speak slovenian, hungarian, and italian and I will now message the bot. |
| 14:05.43 | abrotman | they probably can speak anything they feel like |
| 14:06.00 | unfo | it seems _ANZL_ was speaking slovenian. |
| 14:06.04 | SharpView | for example.. think of a charakter that is stretches over serveral rows, with blank lines between the rows. hard to explain |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | or it was a cat |
| 14:06.12 | asg | unfo: it wasn't Italian, that's for sure |
| 14:06.25 | asg | abrotman: cat's generally can't type /quit though |
| 14:06.31 | unfo | :) |
| 14:06.46 | abrotman | asg: only has to make it /q in some clients! |
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| 14:07.22 | robin_sz | cats NEVER quit |
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| 14:07.40 | asg | abrotman: plausible |
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| 14:08.18 | abrotman | asg: could also click the mouse button to close the client in X |
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| 14:09.32 | adrakoa | robin_sz cat << EOF > hello.txt, never is too big |
| 14:09.33 | asg | abrotman: presuming it had moved the cursor over the [X] |
| 14:09.59 | abrotman | asg: those cats .. they're sneaky .. luckily they don't travel in packs |
| 14:10.08 | asg | abrotman: mine do, they are like the Mafia |
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| 14:10.27 | abrotman | but they don't be sneaky in packs |
| 14:11.12 | asg | abrotman: maybe if you splice them with velociraptor dna |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | that'd be kick ass |
| 14:11.33 | asg | abrotman: yeah, your ass |
| 14:11.34 | abrotman | velociraptor in the trees! |
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| 14:11.43 | asg | abrotman: beertime |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | asg: so late in the day .... |
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| 14:15.31 | asg | abrotman: I'm on holidya |
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| 14:15.34 | asg | *holiday |
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| 14:15.54 | abrotman | apparently |
| 14:17.02 | abrotman | asg: will mrs asg also holiday? |
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| 14:17.51 | asg | abrotman: not this time. |
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| 14:18.07 | abrotman | maybe you can go get her a mini while she's at work tomorrow :) |
| 14:18.25 | asg | abrotman: I could, that's true |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | what a surprise that would be! |
| 14:18.54 | asg | indeed |
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| 14:19.25 | mirak | what is the name of the application that can show dialogs from scripts ? |
| 14:19.30 | asg | mirak: dialog |
| 14:19.35 | inujel | quit |
| 14:19.38 | mirak | asg: in gtk |
| 14:19.39 | inujel | oups |
| 14:19.45 | asg | mirak: zenity |
| 14:19.52 | mirak | asg: right ! |
| 14:19.54 | mirak | thanks |
| 14:20.13 | edrin | i need an gif editor that is easy to use. like KolourPaint ... but for gif, any idea |
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| 14:21.10 | quitte_ | edrin: you could convert to some other format - edit - convert back to gif |
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| 14:21.17 | asg | edrin: there's always the gimp |
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| 14:22.14 | edrin | asg: i dont understand gimp... |
| 14:22.18 | edrin | i cant use it |
| 14:22.44 | asg | edrin: apt-get install grokking-the-gimp. It's a decent book that explains the basics |
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| 14:23.26 | edrin | asg: no time for this |
| 14:23.29 | edrin | sorry |
| 14:23.39 | edrin | i need a simple editor to make icons |
| 14:24.01 | asg | edrin: apt-cache search icon edit |
| 14:24.06 | quitte_ | edrin: gif2png |
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| 14:24.58 | E-bola | Can anyone help me try and get udev working with lm-sensors |
| 14:24.59 | edrin | quitte_: ok |
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| 14:25.53 | unfo | asg: i dont see any instructions in m-a for installing vmware :) can you guide me? |
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| 14:26.06 | E-bola | sensors-detect says it cant find any i2c devices, but they are just in /dev/.static/dev |
| 14:26.28 | unfo | E-bola: does sensors-detect look in /dev/.static? |
| 14:26.30 | asg | unfo: all m-a does is install the necessary build tools and kernel source bits required |
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| 14:26.37 | unfo | asg: ah. |
| 14:26.55 | E-bola | unfo: i asume it doesnt |
| 14:27.04 | E-bola | i couldnt find anywhere to specify where it should look |
| 14:27.52 | unfo | E-bola: sounds like your choices are: you could google, or you could get the source, or you could try to do your job without sensors-detect, or you could give up and move on to something else. :) |
| 14:28.18 | E-bola | does newer kernels really require udev? |
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| 14:28.40 | unfo | E-bola: AFAIK, yes. |
| 14:29.01 | E-bola | :( |
| 14:29.57 | E-bola | ile try to see if i can google what modules i need to load |
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| 14:31.10 | unfo | E-bola: what brand and model is your PC? |
| 14:32.01 | E-bola | my board is an msi , but i got it working now |
| 14:32.12 | E-bola | or well same state as i had before kernel upgrade, it just seems to show too low temperatures |
| 14:32.54 | unfo | but what brand and model is your PC? |
| 14:33.07 | E-bola | ITs not a store bought pc |
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| 14:33.11 | unfo | oh. |
| 14:33.13 | E-bola | its a file server, home build |
| 14:33.14 | rxed | Anyone knows what is the switch that auto-hides Gkrellm? |
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| 14:36.57 | rxed | docsys: ppft |
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| 14:37.11 | rxed | docsys: that's not it. |
| 14:37.34 | Ronin | rxed: or you could go into the gkrellm config and check auto hide |
| 14:37.50 | rxed | Ronin: that's the thing. there is no auto hide in the config file. |
| 14:37.51 | unfo | rxed: i assume you checked the manpage and google already :) |
| 14:37.58 | rxed | unfo: yes, i did. |
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| 14:38.00 | unfo | oh |
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| 14:39.36 | marco_ | I'm downloading the vmware server, I'm confused, I'm given two different things for linux: the "VMware Server Linux client package" and "VMware sever for linux" |
| 14:39.41 | marco_ | which do I want? |
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| 14:40.38 | abrotman | ask #vmware ? |
| 14:41.48 | Ronin | there you go again abrotman being logical and what not |
| 14:41.55 | asg | Ronin: we can't have that |
| 14:42.06 | abrotman | Ronin: i'm sorry .. i must have bumped my head |
| 14:42.14 | asg | !confuse abrotman |
| 14:42.14 | dpkg | No, them is their gerbil tomorrow, abrotman? trousers of the monarchy of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 14:42.30 | abrotman | aw crap .. my productivity went down for saying sorry |
| 14:42.38 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | erm .. shit .. now that was two! |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | and agian! |
| 14:42.50 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite abrotman |
| 14:42.50 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer abrotman: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.488420052716709! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 14:42.52 | abrotman | oh .. a misspelling .. that's hell for me! |
| 14:42.52 | asg | abrotman: isn't that some type of cheese |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | oh crap .. i said hell |
| 14:42.59 | abrotman | damn it .. |
| 14:43.03 | raf256 | !smitesmite EdLin |
| 14:43.04 | abrotman | i'm so fucked |
| 14:43.21 | asg | abrotman: it's the sacred word the Knights of Kingsley cannot hear |
| 14:43.44 | marco_ | are rpm to deb conversions problematic? |
| 14:43.53 | asg | marco_: they can be |
| 14:44.00 | asg | marco_: use the source tarball for vmware |
| 14:44.19 | marco_ | asg, okay |
| 14:44.33 | marco_ | asg, they distribute the source? |
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| 14:44.50 | asg | marco_: the bits for the kernel modules |
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| 14:45.00 | asg | abrotman: at least you aren't at Debconf |
| 14:45.00 | Nach | What do I have to install to be able to get other languages showing up correctly? |
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| 14:45.08 | asg | abrotman: you'd need a super soaker |
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| 14:45.40 | abrotman | asg: to shoot you with poo .. i like it! .. i'll have to try this on the day care down the road |
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| 14:46.14 | asg | abrotman: better to get a long range 3 person catapult for long distance carpet bombing |
| 14:46.20 | abrotman | Nach: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:46.35 | abrotman | asg: potato gun? |
| 14:46.53 | marco_ | meh, people in #vmware aren't helping -_- |
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| 14:47.03 | asg | abrotman: probably kick off latent food alergy and get busted for attempted |
| 14:47.10 | asg | *allergy |
| 14:47.32 | abrotman | asg: how about a snow blower? |
| 14:47.40 | asg | kinky |
| 14:47.41 | marco_ | asg, I get two different downloads the "VMware server linux client package" and the "VMware server for Linux" |
| 14:47.43 | marco_ | which do I need? |
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| 14:47.44 | Nach | abrotman, this is just for reading? or for reading and typing? |
| 14:47.47 | asg | marco_: the latter |
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| 14:47.55 | marco_ | asg, what does the first do? |
| 14:47.56 | asg | marco_: the former is for attaching to vms on the server |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | Nach: all |
| 14:48.04 | marco_ | asg, :S |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | Nach: UTF might work for you also |
| 14:48.07 | marco_ | I'm confused now, lol |
| 14:48.31 | Nach | abrotman, I currently have UTF checked, but if you type non English here for example, it shows up as gibberish |
| 14:48.32 | asg | marco_: once you have VMs running on VMServer, you can attach to their consoles using the linux client package. |
| 14:48.33 | marco_ | asg, so I download the latter and I'm good? |
| 14:48.37 | phogg | You gotta love people like this: "<BigBuddha> phogg: Yep it was working right until I did apt-get dist-upgrade to unstable and I changed some stuff in the kernel" |
| 14:48.39 | asg | marco_: it's optional, you don't need it. |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | Nach: does your IRC client do UTF? |
| 14:48.58 | asg | phogg: there's a lot more of them these days |
| 14:49.12 | Nach | abrotman, it did it on my old PC |
| 14:49.13 | rxed | phogg: yes, spread the love. |
| 14:49.15 | abrotman | Nach: did you pick utf as your default ? |
| 14:49.22 | Nach | abrotman, yes |
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| 14:49.42 | abrotman | Nach: echo $LANG |
| 14:49.50 | Nach | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 14:49.59 | abrotman | what is your irc client? |
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| 14:50.05 | Nach | X-Chat |
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| 14:50.17 | asg | !qotd140 |
| 14:50.18 | dpkg | i heard qotd140 is < greycat> either that, or fucking install mpg321. < Angel-SL> aptget < Angel-SL> ? < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 < asg> hah |
| 14:50.59 | phogg | I think apt-get needs to spit out a big, big WARNING, DANGER message whenever told to install unstable packages. |
| 14:51.05 | abrotman | Nach: make a gibberish character .. afaik .. you should be fine |
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| 14:51.11 | Ronin | phogg: why? its not like they'd read it |
| 14:51.21 | abrotman | !stupid nick complete asg |
| 14:51.23 | abrotman | hrm |
| 14:51.38 | Nach | abauer, 訳） ? |
| 14:51.40 | phogg | Ronin: some of them might. Especially if it were big enough |
| 14:51.40 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete asg |
| 14:51.40 | dpkg | /°¤> asg <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | 訳） |
| 14:51.51 | Nach | erm abrotman, sorry abauer |
| 14:51.55 | abrotman | i got it |
| 14:51.57 | Nach | abrotman, it's gibberish for me |
| 14:52.03 | abrotman | abauer: some day .. i'll buy you a beer :) |
| 14:52.15 | asg | abrotman: some day, you'll buy me lots of beers |
| 14:52.17 | abrotman | Nach: what are they? |
| 14:52.24 | abrotman | asg: why .. you have lots at home! :) |
| 14:52.35 | Nach | abrotman, I think it's Japanese |
| 14:52.39 | abrotman | asg: ok .. you buy the crab .. i'll buy the beer |
| 14:52.50 | abrotman | Nach: oh .. i got crap too .. |
| 14:52.53 | abrotman | but xterm likes it |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | 訳） |
| 14:53.11 | abrotman | maybe xchat isn't UTF .. |
| 14:53.20 | cahoot | it is if you tell it |
| 14:53.25 | abrotman | or maybe the font isn't UTF safe? |
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| 14:53.48 | n0t_flan | It looks wrong in irssi. |
| 14:54.04 | cahoot | Nach: I see a nice calligraph |
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| 14:54.27 | abrotman | cahoot: font issue ? |
| 14:54.39 | cahoot | abrotman: beyond me |
| 14:54.46 | abrotman | ohio? |
| 14:55.05 | n0t_flan | I see what appears to be a Korean character followed by a parenthesis. |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | it's not a normal parenthehsisis |
| 14:55.26 | n0t_flan | No, it isn't. |
| 14:55.32 | n0t_flan | Was that intentional? |
| 14:55.33 | cahoot | abrotman: I have xchat2 - bitstream vera and charset utf |
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| 14:55.51 | Nach | Well, the point is, how do I make it that I get full character sets being displayed? I had this working on my old machine, but I forgot what I did |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | my font is .. courier :) |
| 14:56.04 | asg | abrotman: deal |
| 14:56.11 | superlinux | To All of you: if you got a sound card with AC97 chipset.. then you are always forced to emulate OSS applications using the command "aoss `app_name` `app_arguments` " |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | asg: did you cut them first? |
| 14:56.31 | asg | abrotman: I even shuffled |
| 14:56.39 | abrotman | asg: nice .. get me a beer! |
| 14:56.46 | asg | !beer abrotman |
| 14:56.49 | superlinux | I wish that be added to the helper bot here |
| 14:56.51 | abrotman | woohoo |
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| 14:57.11 | abrotman | superlinux: i don't think you're forced to do that at all |
| 14:57.31 | Nach | I have AC97 in this PC, and I only use OSS |
| 14:57.32 | superlinux | well I cant run skype without aoss |
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| 14:57.42 | abrotman | blame skype .. not debian |
| 14:57.44 | somedude | what up |
| 14:57.49 | somedude | is debian better than fedora |
| 14:57.50 | abrotman | what's ? |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | !tell somedude about why debian |
| 14:57.59 | irena | dependsž |
| 14:58.06 | superlinux | not debian of course .. this way you can runn all applications |
| 14:58.06 | asg | !qotd58 |
| 14:58.07 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 14:58.38 | n0t_flan | !tell n0t_flan about why debian |
| 14:58.44 | abrotman | BRING BACK GREYCAT |
| 14:58.57 | Bucciarati | i wonder when the manpages-dev package will get fixed in sid .. |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | Bucciarati: i have it on good authority ... right after it's uploaded |
| 14:59.18 | asg | Bucciarati: the bts will tell you |
| 14:59.58 | Bucciarati | abrotman, asg: yes i have no hurry for that.. i was just wondering :) |
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| 15:00.33 | rxed | I'm trying to open aterm with a different font. I know font eisits and is listed with xfonts, but when I try to open aterm with this font I get an error that 'can't load font'. Any ides how to fix this? |
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| 15:00.35 | asg | Bucciarati: when the maintainer gets around to it; there really isn't any more I can tell you. If you have a patch that fixes the problem, attach it to the bug and things might go quicker |
| 15:00.42 | Bucciarati | instead, i was asking myself.. what are the pdiff files that the new version of apt downloads on update ? |
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| 15:01.12 | asg | Bucciarati: diffs against Packages.gz to save from downloading the whole file |
| 15:01.12 | abrotman | Bucciarati: diff for the packages file .. instead of the 34MB Packages.gz every single time |
| 15:01.13 | Bucciarati | asg: i think there is already a patch, but i've not bothered to apply it |
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| 15:01.37 | Ahmuck | i am looking for python-dev for 2.3.5 any idea where i might find it |
| 15:01.38 | Bucciarati | abrotman: wow good.. that diff is smart i think .. |
| 15:01.42 | abrotman | duh |
| 15:01.58 | asg | Ahmuck: try python2.3-dev |
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| 15:03.14 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:03.14 | dpkg | methinks qotd94 is <rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol |
| 15:03.39 | somedude | what makes debian better than fedora |
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| 15:03.45 | asg | somedude: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:03.47 | abrotman | !tell somedude about why debian |
| 15:03.51 | mustard5 | somedude, apt |
| 15:03.51 | jelly-ho | somedude: less letters in the name |
| 15:04.00 | abrotman | mustard5: apt4rpm |
| 15:04.08 | phogg | somedude: it doesn't have that taint of profit |
| 15:04.29 | Ronin | phogg: nothing wrong with profit |
| 15:04.47 | abrotman | it's profit via crappy product that is wrong! |
| 15:05.20 | rxed | Hrmm.. anyone knows if artwiz fonts and teting have a 'known issue'? I can load all fonts but artwiz in aterm. |
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| 15:05.52 | phogg | rxed: checked for bugs against the package? |
| 15:06.15 | somedude | that why debian faq compares it against windows and the review is of potato not the new one |
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| 15:06.30 | rxed | phogg: how do I do that? |
| 15:06.33 | somedude | and debian has such a slow cycle i have to assume a lot changed between potato and the new one whatever its called |
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| 15:07.00 | asg | somedude: they are now trying to align on an 18 month release cycle |
| 15:07.20 | somedude | sounds good |
| 15:07.22 | phogg | somedude: Okay. Debian is more stable and more complete. You don't have to deal with yum. It has sane defaults and most things work on a basic level right away. |
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| 15:07.42 | somedude | ya i'm finding yum is kind of bizarre |
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| 15:07.49 | somedude | i mean the way the configs work... |
| 15:07.50 | Number_5 | hello everyone |
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| 15:08.04 | somedude | of course the way the configs work changes every other fc release haha |
| 15:08.10 | somedude | but its usually bizarre |
| 15:08.11 | Suprano | i got some problems with jabberd2 .. i can't see the online status of some users.. |
| 15:08.14 | n0t_flan | somedude, would Debian have such a loyal fanbase if it wasn't worth using? |
| 15:08.15 | phogg | it's the little things that matter, sometimes. I was playing with SuSE the other day and ran into quite a few commands without man pages. Really irritating when you're used to Debian. |
| 15:08.26 | abrotman | who is still using potato? |
| 15:08.29 | abrotman | besides greycat i mean |
| 15:08.29 | n0t_flan | fanbase/userbase |
| 15:08.44 | n0t_flan | I've still got a Potato box. |
| 15:08.58 | phogg | abrotman: I still have potato on my gateway/dns server/ |
| 15:09.13 | abrotman | you're all freaks! |
| 15:09.19 | mentor | phogg: Dude. security updates. upgrade. |
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| 15:09.24 | Suprano | ty |
| 15:09.39 | abrotman | mentor: why .. no vulns will affect something that old anyways :) |
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| 15:10.14 | somedude | oh man why oh why did i use fedora |
| 15:10.23 | abrotman | brain damage? :) |
| 15:10.31 | phogg | mentor: not a big deal. I keep sshd updated and everything else is NAT'd through to internal boxen or dropped. |
| 15:10.46 | somedude | fedora has issues |
| 15:10.55 | abrotman | you're hte one who installed |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | it |
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| 15:11.00 | n0t_flan | Because the pretty installer made you ignore its poor design? |
| 15:11.19 | abrotman | maybe he should be telling #fedora instead ? |
| 15:11.19 | somedude | nah i dont care about installers |
| 15:11.22 | phogg | Because someone said Red Hat was the most popular? |
| 15:11.26 | somedude | actually the installer kind of sucks |
| 15:11.36 | somedude | actually its because i have some redhat stock |
| 15:11.37 | redondos | What's the name of an app with an ncurses interface for selecting an apt mirror and write the sources.list file? |
| 15:11.37 | somedude | haha |
| 15:11.42 | somedude | so i was like might as well use it |
| 15:11.47 | somedude | too bad it really sucks |
| 15:11.49 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 15:11.54 | redondos | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 15:11.54 | somedude | the stock is doing well though |
| 15:11.58 | somedude | haha |
| 15:12.14 | Phated | Eh, doesn't apt-setup like not exist anymore or something? |
| 15:12.16 | Phated | !apt-setup |
| 15:12.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 15:12.25 | Phated | ^^ |
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| 15:12.45 | abrotman | he didn't say etch/sid! |
| 15:13.01 | redondos | Phated: Right, I was about to ask about that. It wasn't available on my distribution (nor in its repositories). (etch) |
| 15:13.11 | abrotman | redondos: oh .. use vi! |
| 15:13.14 | Phated | :) |
| 15:13.23 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 15:13.23 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 15:13.26 | redondos | abrotman: Yes, thank you anyway. But I think it would have been coherent to specify it. :) |
| 15:13.31 | rxed | how do I reset a terminal? I cat-ed binary file and it's all in gibberish now. |
| 15:13.45 | abrotman | "it" refers to what? |
| 15:13.49 | phogg | was apt-setup the one that picked the fastest mirror for you? |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | that's apt-spy |
| 15:14.05 | Bucciarati | rxed: blind-type "reset" |
| 15:14.10 | redondos | abrotman: I do use vi(m, actually), but a user who is a little "afraid of the command line" needs it. |
| 15:14.17 | rxed | Bucciarati: I tired that and it didn't work. |
| 15:14.21 | phogg | abrotman: ah, right. |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | redondos: apt-spy will find the fastest mirrror .. that might work |
| 15:14.33 | redondos | phogg: I think there's something new for that... isn't there? |
| 15:14.38 | asg | rxed: then just kill the terminal and start a new one |
| 15:14.43 | redondos | abrotman: Something installed by default? |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | nope |
| 15:14.49 | redondos | I know there's something. |
| 15:14.58 | Bucciarati | rxed: then it's severely damaged. kill it and it will reincarnate into a new, sane, one |
| 15:15.01 | abrotman | yeah .. it used to be apt-setup .. not in etch |
| 15:15.05 | Phated | Yep. |
| 15:15.08 | phogg | rxed: echo -e \\017 # I think |
| 15:15.14 | redondos | Right. I remember what I was thinking about: netselect-apt |
| 15:15.31 | abrotman | that's installed by default ? |
| 15:15.34 | redondos | no. |
| 15:15.37 | cafuego | ^[c |
| 15:15.39 | redondos | I messed up there. |
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| 15:15.50 | cafuego | echo ctrl-v esc c |
| 15:15.51 | abrotman | asg: see .. a cat! |
| 15:16.09 | asg | abrotman: not the right one though |
| 15:16.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:16.46 | cafuego | Phated: I'll wave as I fly past tomorrow midnight your time |
| 15:16.59 | abrotman | cafuego: going home? |
| 15:17.06 | abrotman | erm .. motherland ... |
| 15:17.15 | cafuego | abrotman: depends on your definition of 'home" ;-) |
| 15:17.25 | abrotman | iirc .. cafuego is a dutch guy living in .au |
| 15:17.33 | cafuego | this is correct |
| 15:17.42 | abrotman | which is why i corrected to "motherland" |
| 15:17.54 | cafuego | although I could be a german fräulein |
| 15:18.00 | asg | hinterland |
| 15:18.01 | redondos | what's that? |
| 15:19.06 | abrotman | what's what? |
| 15:19.16 | cafuego | that's what! |
| 15:19.23 | zinx | that's that? |
| 15:19.24 | Daedalus_ | hinterland: place far away. Usually highly rural. |
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| 15:19.32 | phogg | redondos: dict is your friend |
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| 15:19.48 | asg | phogg: playing with your dict causes blindness |
| 15:20.07 | zinx | asg: no, that's your wii |
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| 15:20.07 | abrotman | asg: Believe in Jesus! |
| 15:20.07 | phogg | asg: nonsense. That has never been proven by science. |
| 15:20.13 | cafuego | jeeeeebus! |
| 15:20.33 | asg | phogg: there is anecdotal evidence |
| 15:20.44 | abrotman | monk ? |
| 15:20.47 | asg | zork? |
| 15:20.55 | zinx | phogg: have faith |
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| 15:21.45 | phogg | there's anecdotal evidence for everything. |
| 15:21.46 | ChrisAlt | hi... I got a problem to get wpa_supplicant with madwifi to work..by running "wpa_supplicant -Dmadwifi -iath0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf", I get this: trying to associate with 00:04:0e:53:45:44 (SSID='BlackIce') frequ=2347 Mhz) ioctl[IEEE80211_IOCTL_SETMLME]argument list too long, association request to the driver failed |
| 15:21.52 | asg | phogg: of course |
| 15:21.53 | ChrisAlt | anyone got a clue? |
| 15:22.06 | asg | mustard in the conservatory with the candelstick? |
| 15:22.27 | asg | !tell alapzaj[AWAY] about away |
| 15:22.57 | helpmeplz` | hey all. I have a 15" monitor and run 2.6.13 sarge3.1. I cant fix my resoloution for some reason. Its stuck at 640x400. Its full gay! i cant fix it via xf89cfg nor xf89config nor if i hack the x11/XF86Config/-4 files. I cannot get any higher resoloution ouit of this! Whats the soloution? i dont think i have the monitor / onboard card properly configured, but i still get some resoloution! |
| 15:23.18 | asg | "Its full gay!" ? |
| 15:23.20 | rxed | what's gnome version ships with testing? |
| 15:23.28 | asg | rxed: /msg dpkg info gnome etch |
| 15:23.28 | helpmeplz` | its full non working ;/ |
| 15:23.39 | raf256 | debian unstable have pascal crosscompiler to win32 (freepascal)? |
| 15:24.17 | rxed | asg: msg dpkg with that give me no replys. |
| 15:24.41 | asg | !info gnome-terminal etch |
| 15:24.44 | dpkg | gnome-terminal: (The GNOME 2 terminal emulator application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 173 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 15:24.49 | asg | rxed: 2.14 |
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| 15:24.58 | phogg | helpmeplz`:may I presume that in your Screen section you have a variety of resolutions specified? |
| 15:25.16 | rxed | asg: that's way too cool. |
| 15:25.26 | helpmeplz` | yes i do. starts from 1240x1024 to 800x640 |
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| 15:25.52 | helpmeplz` | i then hacked the file to only run 1024x768 and then only to shjow 800x600 but nothing ever changes |
| 15:26.29 | helpmeplz` | i log in as root via gdm (yes i know bad but was just for testing), i ran xf86cfg, and tried to change the resoloution, but didnt allow me to change/add anything other then the default 640x400 |
| 15:26.50 | bnovc | how can i remove vim? |
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| 15:27.00 | bnovc | bnovc@server:~/vim70$ sudo dpkg -r vim-gtk vim vim-common vimpart vim-full |
| 15:27.01 | phogg | helpmeplz`: look in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see what errors and it is giving |
| 15:27.04 | bnovc | i tried that but it still gives me deps |
| 15:27.07 | bbkenshin | hi everyone, Are u fine ? |
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| 15:27.27 | phogg | bnovc: what's wrong with apt-get remove? |
| 15:27.59 | bnovc | dunno, does it matter? |
| 15:28.02 | bnovc | apt-get remove vim tries to remove KDE |
| 15:28.14 | phogg | bnovc: I don't add or remove packages with dpkg unless I can't avoid it. |
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| 15:28.22 | bnovc | KDE does not depend on vim |
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| 15:28.25 | bnovc | it lies to me |
| 15:28.32 | xomhau | anyone, who using gambas? |
| 15:28.32 | helpmeplz` | phogg there is no errors. |
| 15:28.44 | xomhau | i installed gambas but it not work :( |
| 15:28.51 | phogg | bnovc: some of it does. vimpart, for example |
| 15:29.06 | bbkenshin | I've a problem on my debian Sarge 3.1, i've installed soft via apt-get and removed then, Now I would like to install samba-common, but the programm write "/var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process...... Thanks for help |
| 15:29.10 | bnovc | all i'm trying to do is upgrade my vim to 7 without upgrading all my packages |
| 15:29.15 | bnovc | which seems like debian wont let me |
| 15:29.23 | bnovc | i have vim7 installed also but i can't find it! |
| 15:29.29 | helpmeplz` | (II) I810(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
| 15:29.34 | phogg | hey, neato. Gambas is in debian now. |
| 15:29.35 | helpmeplz` | that can be the error? |
| 15:29.41 | bnovc | ii vim70 vim70-1 vim: best CLI editor |
| 15:29.46 | bnovc | how can i locate that? |
| 15:29.59 | xomhau | phogg: you using gambas? |
| 15:29.59 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, do you have another instance of apt (or a graphical interface to it) running? |
| 15:30.05 | Gnea | bnovc: it would be vim, or vi (depending what /etc/alternatives/vi is pointed to) |
| 15:30.07 | xomhau | tell me how install it |
| 15:30.16 | xomhau | i apt-get install but it not work |
| 15:30.17 | phogg | bnovc: I don't see vim version 7 in Debian. |
| 15:30.21 | bnovc | Gnea, well problem is i have 2 versions of vim |
| 15:30.24 | bnovc | phogg, i compiled it |
| 15:30.29 | phogg | xomhau: not really. |
| 15:30.32 | bnovc | Gnea, vi and vim are both aliased -> vim6 |
| 15:30.33 | bbkenshin | n0t_flan yes i could use graphical interface |
| 15:30.37 | Gnea | bnovc: how'd that happen? |
| 15:30.49 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, is it running now? |
| 15:30.53 | bnovc | Gnea, i installed the 2nd one since debian is a failure and wont let me upgrade it |
| 15:31.07 | bbkenshin | no !! i've tried to do it with term.... |
| 15:31.12 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, only one process may lock the apt resources at any given time. |
| 15:31.12 | Gnea | bnovc: it's a failure? it crashed? |
| 15:31.30 | helpmeplz` | i dont understand my error. any help on how to rectify it? |
| 15:31.32 | bnovc | Gnea, no its a failure: won't let me upgrade to non-"stable" versions without doing it on everything |
| 15:31.39 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, if you have another one running, whether graphical or text-based, it will need to be closed first. |
| 15:31.51 | Gnea | bnovc: ah, that's what backports are for :) |
| 15:31.53 | Gnea | !backports |
| 15:31.53 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 15:32.14 | bnovc | !backports vim |
| 15:32.36 | Gnea | no, you have to go to the webpage and search for it |
| 15:32.36 | bnovc | Gnea, can't i just locate this package somehow? |
| 15:32.44 | bnovc | or dpkb -i to a specific place |
| 15:32.57 | Gnea | bnovc: it should be there, i think they'll have a line you can add to your sources.list |
| 15:33.01 | Gnea | either or |
| 15:33.15 | bbkenshin | so , just the graphical interface could lock it , okook , but i've just do it few minutes ago, , But i've already install a package few day ago , is it important ? |
| 15:33.17 | Gnea | go check it out, you may find more than just vim 7 |
| 15:33.27 | bnovc | Gnea, nope, only version 6 |
| 15:33.31 | bnovc | http://backports.org/package.php?search=vim |
| 15:33.54 | Gnea | i see |
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| 15:34.39 | Gnea | bnovc: where did you find this vim7 deb at? |
| 15:34.50 | bnovc | Gnea, i didnt, i compiled it from source into a deb |
| 15:34.57 | bnovc | from the vim website |
| 15:34.58 | Gnea | aaah |
| 15:35.14 | Gnea | it'll be tricky, but... |
| 15:35.28 | bnovc | why cant it just tell me where it is installed to |
| 15:35.35 | jelly-ho | what's so great about vim 7? |
| 15:35.36 | bnovc | i dont think it even installed at all, actually |
| 15:35.41 | Gnea | you should get the source for vim6 in debian and use the instructions from that applied to the vim7 |
| 15:35.42 | bnovc | jelly-ho, dunno thats why i want to try it :) |
| 15:35.51 | bbkenshin | n0t_flan I've juste launch apt-get install, and it write this error; Do debian remember the program u've launch few days ago ? |
| 15:36.12 | jelly-ho | bnovc: you could just install it from source into /usr/local, I guess... |
| 15:36.15 | Gnea | bnovc: well, by default, if you didn't specify a prefix to ./configure, it will throw things in /usr/local, so could be /usr/local/bin |
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| 15:36.25 | bnovc | jelly-ho, how do i direct it |
| 15:36.38 | bnovc | Gnea, /usr/local/bin has vim6 |
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| 15:36.51 | Gnea | bnovc: but no vim7? is that the name of the binary? |
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| 15:37.07 | bnovc | there are no 'vim7' files on my system, only bin |
| 15:37.09 | bnovc | and they are all 6 |
| 15:37.22 | rxed | locate gdm |
| 15:37.25 | rxed | oops. |
| 15:37.30 | echnaton | Hi how many of you are using Debian Sarge on a workstation for the daily use? |
| 15:37.37 | Gnea | bnovc: but you have the compiled source tree for vim7 still, right? |
| 15:37.40 | n0t_flan | No, bbkenshin. ps -u root | grep apt |
| 15:37.44 | echnaton | are using ==> use |
| 15:37.46 | n0t_flan | See if there's anything else. |
| 15:37.53 | Gnea | echnaton: lots. |
| 15:37.53 | bnovc | Gnea, yea |
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| 15:38.14 | Gnea | bnovc: ok, what's the binary called there? |
| 15:38.28 | bbkenshin | n0t_flan nothing ...... |
| 15:38.38 | bnovc | Gnea, ah i can just run it from there, huh |
| 15:38.42 | echnaton | so you dont set value on "new features". do you? |
| 15:38.44 | bnovc | i'll just do that, thanks |
| 15:38.51 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, are you root when trying to run apt? |
| 15:38.54 | helpmeplz` | anyone able to help with that problem? |
| 15:39.00 | bbkenshin | yes of course |
| 15:39.04 | Gnea | bnovc: how did you install it? did it generate a .deb file or did you just type make install? |
| 15:39.14 | bnovc | Gnea, i used checkinstall to generate the deb |
| 15:39.23 | bnovc | ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall |
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| 15:39.41 | jelly-ho | bnovc: Re: installing from source, that would be the usual ./configure; make; make install routine... if you're not familiar with that at all, I suggest to wait for someone to package it. ;-) |
| 15:39.44 | Gnea | bnovc: ah ok, so when you went to dpkg -i the.deb, it gave you the dependency errors? |
| 15:39.46 | bbkenshin | y'en i've trying to do apt in user , it tell me that it is locked, so i've to be root |
| 15:39.50 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, what is the full error? |
| 15:40.03 | razor_edge | hi, i'm using debian sarge and have this question... why is is marked as IMPORTANT exim? I dont really find any use for a MTA in my desktop linux... but at depends on it... why is that? why at needs exim? Is THAT important to have at? |
| 15:40.04 | bnovc | Gnea, no it installed fine |
| 15:40.08 | bnovc | its working now so no big deal |
| 15:40.14 | bnovc | i just aliased vi and vim to ~/vim70/src/vim |
| 15:40.30 | Gnea | bnovc: check this: dpkg --contents the.vim7.deb | less |
| 15:40.41 | Ronin | razor_edge: only if you want to get emails from the system, cron problems, system errors/msgs etc. |
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| 15:41.34 | razor_edge | Ronin: the problem is that I find useful at... but if I remove exim i have to remove at as well... |
| 15:41.37 | bbkenshin | n0t_flan debconf: Dbdriver "config" : /vart/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 15:41.46 | bnovc | Gnea, lot of information but its really no big deal i have it working ifne |
| 15:42.15 | Gnea | bnovc: but now you've gone and essentially broken your system, it seems fine now, but you'll run into problems later |
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| 15:42.31 | bnovc | Gnea, what problems? |
| 15:42.44 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, ps -u root | grep debconf |
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| 15:42.48 | Gnea | bnovc: does it show the paths of binaries in any /dir/bin directories? |
| 15:42.56 | bnovc | dunno it shows a lot of pages |
| 15:43.16 | bbkenshin | n0t_flan nothing ...... |
| 15:43.21 | Gnea | you can search within less with / |
| 15:43.22 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, ps -u root | grep dpkg |
| 15:43.30 | Gnea | like this... :/bin<enter> |
| 15:43.38 | n0t_flan | It should be in that list. |
| 15:43.40 | Gnea | the / should replace the : |
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| 15:44.08 | bbkenshin | n0t_flan nothing ..... |
| 15:44.08 | helpmeplz` | bah |
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| 15:45.40 | n0t_flan | bbkenshin, have you tried restarting? (Yes, I know you shouldn't ever have to) I can't think of any other utilities that lock that resource... |
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| 15:47.14 | bbkenshin | yes i've already restarted my computer, and i's strang sometimes there a picture, the same graphical interface when u install debain ( it will configure ur pc ) |
| 15:47.36 | abrotman | !U |
| 15:47.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:47.52 | zamolxes | bbkenshin: maybe you got your install cd in there? |
| 15:47.54 | abrotman | did you look for a lock file ? |
| 15:48.16 | bbkenshin | zamolxes yes i 've got it |
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| 15:48.48 | bnovc | Gnea, any suggestions on tutorials on setting up a jail? |
| 15:49.09 | n0t_flan | abrotman, isn't the lock an in-memory thing? |
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| 15:49.18 | Gnea | bnovc: hit up google: chroot jail howto |
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| 15:49.39 | bnovc | k thanks |
| 15:49.53 | bbkenshin | zamolxes do u think i 'll re install debian ? // i don't car i takes just 20 min |
| 15:50.00 | abrotman | bbkenshin: what's the error ? |
| 15:50.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:50.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:50.25 | abrotman | n0t_flan: it's probably a lock file ... |
| 15:50.42 | bbkenshin | abrotman debconf: Dbdriver "config" : /vart/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 15:51.10 | abrotman | look in /var/run/ |
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| 15:53.13 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
| 15:53.15 | abrotman | ls |
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| 15:53.24 | bbkenshin | abrotman yeah and What have I to see, there just file.pid and some files with little cross like crond.reboot |
| 15:53.24 | Phat32 | Can anyone here help me configure vsftpd? |
| 15:53.26 | abrotman | bah .. window fire! |
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| 15:53.37 | abrotman | bbkenshin: i'm pretty sure there's a lock file somewhere |
| 15:53.40 | bnovc | Gnea, http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap29sec254.html <- this one reasonable? seems they never even run chroot, they do mknod |
| 15:53.50 | bbkenshin | i thounght it too |
| 15:53.59 | Gnea | Phat32: we offer support for debian, not specific applications |
| 15:53.59 | Phat32 | when i try to start vsftpd I always get this error, "500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket" |
| 15:54.18 | bbkenshin | but the files locker are like file.extension.lock , aren't they ?? |
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| 15:55.14 | Gnea | bnovc: i don't see mknod, but lots of other commands... yeah, that's a good one |
| 15:55.56 | abrotman | bbkenshin: i'm pretty sure there's a lock file somewhere |
| 15:55.57 | bnovc | Gnea, it would appear they don't run chroot ever though; doesnt that defeat the purpose? |
| 15:56.02 | abrotman | bah .. again with the misfire! |
| 15:56.05 | bnovc | looks like they just make a directory of copied files |
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| 15:56.50 | bbkenshin | abrotman how could i search .lock ?? |
| 15:56.56 | abrotman | i'm looking for it |
| 15:57.22 | n0t_flan | So am I... |
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| 15:57.59 | Vme | hello |
| 15:58.12 | bbkenshin | i've typed locate *.lock and the result is /home/user/.gksu.lock |
| 15:58.16 | bnovc | Gnea, so whatever command you want jailed needs to be run as root with chroot? like chroot /var/bot ./main.pl in my instance? |
| 15:58.20 | Vme | can someone recommend a cheap wireless PCI/USB card? |
| 15:58.26 | abrotman | bbkenshin: run updatedb first |
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| 15:58.40 | Vme | easily supported by the linux kernel |
| 15:58.42 | Glanzmann | ?? vim |
| 15:58.53 | abrotman | Glanzmann: question ?? |
| 15:58.58 | Glanzmann | Is there a vim 7.0 backport for Sarge available? |
| 15:59.08 | abrotman | !tell Glanzmann about backports |
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| 15:59.19 | abrotman | bbkenshin: anything in /var/run/ ? |
| 15:59.33 | bbkenshin | updatedb is running |
| 15:59.34 | Gnea | blakki: no there is not |
| 15:59.36 | Gnea | er |
| 15:59.39 | Gnea | Glanzmann: no there is not |
| 16:00.11 | Gnea | bnovc: iirc, apache has built-in functionality for it |
| 16:00.15 | SharpView | hi! just tried to install debian. first part of installation was no problem. but after reboot, grubs switches the screenmode (i gues) becaus after the bios informations the screen switches into an unreadable mode... when i start the kernel, the problem stays to exist. |
| 16:00.17 | n0t_flan | /var/cache/apt/archives/lock | /var/cache/apt/lock ? |
| 16:00.26 | bnovc | Gnea, ah well i'm not trying to do it w/apache :) |
| 16:00.26 | SharpView | example screenshots: http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6443/t14zo.jpg |
| 16:00.26 | SharpView | http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8282/t23xu.jpg |
| 16:00.52 | Gnea | bnovc: what are you trying to do it with? |
| 16:00.58 | bnovc | Gnea, run a perl script |
| 16:00.59 | woodland | i just installed mplayer from that marillat site. i have dvd in pc and i try to open dvd, i have problem. i have installed w32codecs and libdvdcss2 also |
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| 16:01.25 | bbkenshin | abrotman what I've I to see in /var/ run |
| 16:01.34 | bnovc | Gnea, i assume i do ldd perl...copy it all in... then chroot /var/bot ./main.pl |
| 16:01.37 | woodland | so can anybody help me |
| 16:01.38 | Gnea | bnovc: check the monitor cable connection to the video card |
| 16:01.44 | Glanzmann | Gnea: I thought so, thanks. |
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| 16:01.50 | Ronin | woodland: you havent told us the problem yet |
| 16:01.53 | abrotman | bbkenshin: anything related to apt/dpkg/debconf ? |
| 16:02.19 | n0t_flan | SharpView, you can specify mode settings in /boot/grub/menu.lst (You may need a liveCD, like Knoppix, to get a readable display so you can hack it) |
| 16:02.21 | Gnea | bnovc: as long as you've got the supporting files within the chroot, it'll work |
| 16:02.32 | bnovc | Gnea, so my process is correct? |
| 16:02.36 | abrotman | woodland: we'd need an error |
| 16:02.40 | woodland | Ronin, i have problem playing dvd with mplayer which i installed uisng aptitude along with w32codecs and libdvdcss2 |
| 16:02.47 | woodland | abrotman, ok |
| 16:02.52 | Gnea | bnovc: for the most part... you just need to tinker with it a bit more |
| 16:02.54 | bnovc | although ldd perl returns nothing |
| 16:02.56 | bbkenshin | nothing about apt in /var/ru |
| 16:03.15 | Gnea | ldd /usr/bin/perl ? |
| 16:03.35 | woodland | abrotman, Failed to open dvd ://1 |
| 16:04.16 | SharpView | n0t_flan: problem is, the the installer is not finished yet. ..after reboot debian asks for root user etc. but i cannot go through the rest of the installation, cause i cant read anything |
| 16:05.05 | n0t_flan | SharpView, you have Grub and a kernel. You should be able to boot Knoppix and mount your root partition, hack menu.lst, and reboot with working settings. |
| 16:05.45 | bnovc | Gnea, ok i'll give it a shot thanks |
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| 16:06.41 | n0t_flan | And then look for some way to report the problem so it can be fixed in some future release. |
| 16:06.52 | SharpView | n0t_flan: ok, thanks, i will try. do you know a faq with valid mode entries for menu.lst? |
| 16:07.21 | n0t_flan | SharpView, I don't, but you should have access to Konqueror, which doubles as a web browser. |
| 16:07.29 | n0t_flan | (If you use Knoppix) |
| 16:07.58 | SharpView | if have knoppix. so I will try. thanks for your help |
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| 16:08.05 | woodland | abrotman, so can you figure out any problem with that error |
| 16:08.07 | usrlocal | hello |
| 16:08.22 | syiron | i cannot login to my debian server from local after i install ssh. why? |
| 16:08.42 | usrlocal | is there a good vulnerability scanner easy to use like nessus please ? i need to check security hole on my box please |
| 16:08.45 | abrotman | woodland: i don't use mplayer .. i was merely stating that you can't jsut go "X is broke .. why" without giving an error |
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| 16:09.50 | n0t_flan | woodland, on the last tab of mPlayer's config window, you'll find a path to your optical drive. Make sure that's pointing at the right device. |
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| 16:12.24 | shogunx | abrotman i will give X $2 for woodland so its not broke anymore |
| 16:12.27 | n0t_flan | abrotman, the closest thing I found was /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 16:12.44 | abrotman | shogunx: just $2 ? |
| 16:12.54 | abrotman | n0t_flan: but he seemed to imply it was for debconf |
| 16:13.06 | n0t_flan | I know. That's the strange part. |
| 16:13.13 | shogunx | abrotman ok, a rack full of servers. |
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| 16:13.32 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:18.44 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:18.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:19.43 | woodland | n0t_flan, is there mplayer channel ? |
| 16:19.45 | ssb | :)) |
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| 16:20.40 | abrotman | #mplayer .. oddly |
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| 16:28.06 | oscar | hey there |
| 16:28.21 | oscar | who knows |
| 16:28.35 | oscar | why when installing w32 codecs says errer? |
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| 16:28.50 | cheal | oscar: errer? |
| 16:28.54 | oscar | error |
| 16:28.56 | cheal | !abrotmoo |
| 16:28.56 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 16:29.02 | cheal | oscar: which error? |
| 16:29.11 | abrotman | oh .. an error! |
| 16:29.15 | oscar | proces error |
| 16:29.27 | holycow | !moo |
| 16:29.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:29.32 | cheal | oscar: what proces error? |
| 16:29.36 | holycow | touche |
| 16:29.46 | cheal | !holymoo |
| 16:30.34 | oscar | ust says error when processing |
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| 16:32.09 | visik7 | what are pdiff that apt-get download ? |
| 16:32.48 | cheal | visik7: they replace Sources or Packages downloads for APT index |
| 16:33.08 | abrotman | visik7: it now gets only the updated portion of the Packages.gz .. saves you bandwidth .. yay! |
| 16:33.16 | visik7 | cool |
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| 16:34.08 | abrotman | !pdiff is http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/computers/debian/apt-pdiff-support_13-05-2006 |
| 16:34.08 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 16:35.06 | oscar | gstremer also fails |
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| 16:36.33 | oscar | how else could I use mpeg ,avi ,mp3 files? |
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| 16:37.45 | abrotman | mp3 works with many players |
| 16:37.51 | abrotman | tried xine ? |
| 16:37.55 | abrotman | for the movies i mean |
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| 16:38.29 | oscar | yeh |
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| 16:38.40 | oscar | but want mpeg and avi |
| 16:39.39 | jdhutchin1 | oscar, mplayer, vlc play many things |
| 16:39.52 | oscar | ok thanks |
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| 16:41.14 | oscar | what' the latest version? |
| 16:41.29 | myren | anyone have suggestiosn for file manager programs? I'm still using emelfm, but its synchronous behavior is getting annoying |
| 16:43.47 | abrotman | xfe? |
| 16:43.55 | abrotman | myren: #ubuntu! |
| 16:44.45 | myren | please stop. i have four computers you know. only one of them ever saw your mortal enemy. please please please stop. |
| 16:44.56 | hebfftijd | . |
| 16:45.03 | abrotman | ! |
| 16:45.15 | abrotman | myren: look at xfe or gentoo |
| 16:46.01 | myren | abrotman: i thought you were being even meaner and telling me to go use the Gentoo linux distro. ;) |
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| 16:46.20 | abrotman | !info gentoo sarge |
| 16:46.21 | joeljose420 | #mentor-debian |
| 16:46.24 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 16:46.31 | abrotman | myren: feel better? :) |
| 16:46.39 | myren | yes. thank you. |
| 16:46.47 | joeljose420 | ohh.. whats the name of the mentor irc chan? |
| 16:46.52 | myren | omg, its emelfm in the flesh |
| 16:46.57 | abrotman | joeljose420: /join #debian-mentors |
| 16:47.05 | joeljose420 | k thanks |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | myren: eh ? |
| 16:47.40 | myren | gentoo just looks a lot like emelfm. i supose the whole "2 pane file management system" thing is kind ahard to make unique, but they are strikingly similar at first |
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| 16:48.48 | fourat | !sata |
| 16:48.48 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
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| 16:49.26 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 16:49.26 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
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| 16:50.50 | yohu123 | in which package do the libpng-config and freetype-config belong to, in debian? |
| 16:50.59 | abrotman | !tell yohu123 about search |
| 16:50.59 | yohu123 | or rather packages |
| 16:51.04 | abrotman | !find libpng-config sarge |
| 16:51.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libpng-config' (1): (/usr/bin/libpng-config) in libdevel/libpng12-dev,libdevel/libpng2-dev. |
| 16:51.16 | fourat | !CONFIG_SATA |
| 16:51.23 | abrotman | #kernel ? |
| 16:51.31 | fourat | !CONFIG_SATA |
| 16:51.45 | Phated | cafuego: Woot! |
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| 16:58.02 | Half-Left | Hello, I get a umet dependency on the net install, any ideas? |
| 16:58.56 | fourat | is it possible to build an ISO install CD from an already installed debian ? and integrate sata support, any tutorials ? |
| 16:59.43 | sepski | fourat, if you want to clone an allready installed debian you could just use partimage ? |
| 16:59.46 | DrPete | whats a typical size for a /tmp and /var on a server, nothing fancy, just http, etc |
| 17:00.16 | sepski | DrPete, depends on how much you puts into /var/www |
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| 17:00.53 | fourat | sepski, no i want to build an bootable install ISO cd |
| 17:01.26 | sepski | fourat, that have the packages you want ? sounds like jigido |
| 17:01.47 | DrPete | sepski not alot really. its just for phpmyadmin etc |
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| 17:02.30 | DrPete | I am going to test out lvm, i just want to get a starting point |
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| 17:02.52 | Half-Left | Is it possible to do a net install from my usb key drive? |
| 17:03.58 | streuner | Its possible to install from a USB-Drive, then you are able to use i-net |
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| 17:04.23 | streuner | after your NIC is working and you setup interfaces |
| 17:04.48 | streuner | http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 17:05.18 | yohu123 | i know this is neither a colinux nor a debain question as such, but has anyone had any experience with the graphics engine called hotdog? |
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| 17:09.02 | j4cbo | how can i do a video screen capture of an opengl app? |
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| 17:09.34 | streuner | s/setup/configure/ |
| 17:09.51 | Half-Left | streuner, thanks |
| 17:09.58 | streuner | np |
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| 17:14.27 | fourat | windows is checking the linux partition at boot and it destry it, how to disable it ? |
| 17:14.32 | blondie | HI |
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| 17:14.51 | LSorensen | fourat: did you set the partition type correctly in fdisk? |
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| 17:15.48 | LSorensen | fourat: if the type is set to linux then it should not even look at it. If it is set to one of the windows types then it should try it figure it out. |
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| 17:16.42 | fourat | how to disable that checking ? |
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| 17:17.35 | LSorensen | fourat: you go set the partition type correctly in the first place. Windows ignores any non windows partition automatically |
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| 17:18.24 | DrPete | Is there any benefit for paritioning /usr? rather than leaving it in / |
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| 17:18.35 | LSorensen | DrPete: I personalyl don't believe there is. |
| 17:18.47 | LSorensen | DrPete: /usr/local seperately might make sense |
| 17:18.49 | Ahmuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.08 | abrotman | DrPete: space management is about it |
| 17:19.16 | Rockj | Hey Wondering if it's possible to get some help with nvidia driver install on Debian Etch. So far I've added rdonald's unstable nvidia packages to my sources.list and done apt-get install nvidia-kernel-sources and used m-a to install it and afterwards apt-get install nvidia-glx and made sure Xorg.conf is loading driver "nvidia" but when I try to startx I do get "failed to load nvidia kernel module! ( FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.16.16/nv |
| 17:19.42 | abrotman | Rockj: your error got cut off |
| 17:19.44 | LSorensen | Rockj: does 'modprobe nvidia' work? |
| 17:19.48 | DrPete | Yeah, i know what you mean. I was just testing some stuff out, I was going to do /, /tmp, /var, /home, sawp |
| 17:20.02 | LSorensen | rc: you might have to add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules to have it loaded at boot automatically |
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| 17:20.20 | LSorensen | DrPete: I like tmpfs for /tmp personally |
| 17:20.23 | Rockj | ...o get "failed to load nvidia kernel module! ( FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.16.16/nvidia/nvidia.ko) No such device. =/ |
| 17:20.31 | Rockj | LSorensen: Ill try.. |
| 17:20.36 | LSorensen | Rockj: did you load nvidiafb or something by accident? |
| 17:20.49 | LSorensen | Rockj: anything in dmesg? |
| 17:20.53 | DrPete | LSorensen: I have not played with that |
| 17:21.10 | LSorensen | DrPete: I figure they are temporary, nmight as well store them in ram to make them faster |
| 17:21.29 | DrPete | LSorensen: Yeah i see your point |
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| 17:21.39 | Rockj | LSorensen: hum, I do get error when I try to modprobe nvidia. It says my Nvidia Geforce 2 ultra GPU isn't supported, but are supported in legacy drivers.. |
| 17:21.57 | LSorensen | Rockj: you must use nvidia legacy with anything that old |
| 17:22.01 | LSorensen | Rockj: different package |
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| 17:22.18 | LSorensen | Rockj: 71.xx was the last that supported all the chips |
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| 17:22.31 | DrPete | LSorensen does the sarge installer do that by default, I am sure i have seen that somewhere |
| 17:22.38 | LSorensen | DrPete: no. |
| 17:22.51 | Rockj | LSorensen: a friend of mine uses the same method and he got a geforce 2 mx and it works.. =/ |
| 17:22.55 | LSorensen | DrPete: but it is easy to add yourself by just adding a line to fstab |
| 17:23.06 | LSorensen | Rockj: using which nvidia version? |
| 17:23.17 | LSorensen | Rockj: the one in sarge works with old chips. the newer ones do not |
| 17:23.33 | Rockj | so odd it doesn't work for my geforce 2 ultra. Anyway, should I try to use rdonald's stable then maybe? oO |
| 17:23.46 | LSorensen | Rockj: just look for the package with legacy in the name |
| 17:23.49 | DrPete | LSorensen: I will check it out thanks |
| 17:23.59 | LSorensen | Rockj: assuming ithas been updated to work with x.org 7 yet |
| 17:24.28 | LSorensen | Rockj: you need nvidia-kernel-legacy-source and nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 17:24.59 | LSorensen | Rockj: although I would be surprised if that worked with x.org 7 yet. |
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| 17:26.00 | Rockj | LSorensen: oki, Ill do some more research. apt-cache search for nvidia-glx-legacy says it is for Xfree86 4.x =/ |
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| 17:27.04 | Berith | Hello, when an event occures (such as I get highlighted on XChat, someone says something on Gaim or a Javascript alert happens on Firefox) the toolbar doesn't blink, why is that? |
| 17:27.15 | LSorensen | Rockj: well there is one for x.org 6.8 in sid at least. |
| 17:27.29 | LSorensen | Rockj: although that doesn't help if you have 7.0 |
| 17:27.41 | LSorensen | Rockj: hopefully the maintainer will update it for 7.0 soon |
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| 17:28.01 | LSorensen | Rockj: you could use the nv driver in the meantime assuming you can live without glx |
| 17:28.44 | LSorensen | Berith: should it blink? |
| 17:29.16 | Rockj | Was looking for fixing my system with glx. I use 6.9 . (atleast that what dpkg -l xserver-xorg says ) |
| 17:29.19 | Berith | LSorensen: Yeah |
| 17:29.25 | LSorensen | Rockj: well it should work with that |
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| 17:29.28 | Rockj | anyway, doing some tests now. (still learning linux here ^^) |
| 17:29.42 | LSorensen | Berith: I have seen flashing title bars before, but never blinking toolbars. |
| 17:30.10 | Berith | LSorensen: Lol sorry, wrong wording I guess. |
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| 17:30.24 | LSorensen | Berith: not sure which window managers and programs allow the titlebar to flash |
| 17:30.33 | onetinsoldier | hi all |
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| 17:31.01 | echnaton | Do you install the whole base system in sarge or do you use install your needed packages with apt manually? |
| 17:31.22 | robin_sz | anyone know of a package for time mangement for employees? ie a clocking in system |
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| 17:33.00 | LSorensen | ech: the base system is installed by the installer, anything elkse you want you install with apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/dselect/dpkg youself |
| 17:33.05 | onetinsoldier | how do you change what starts up at boot and/or other runlevels? |
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| 17:33.50 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: ehm, rcconf of something? I forget. I tend to leave my run levels the same (I don't hcnage runleves ever, and I hardly ever reboot so why bother) |
| 17:34.06 | NorthItaly | how to print on a windows share printer? |
| 17:34.08 | netman1 | onetinesoldier: update-rc.d |
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| 17:34.21 | LSorensen | netman1: there has to be a better tool than that |
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| 17:34.31 | Berith | LSorensen: We are talking about the same thing, aren't we? The things open Windows go when minimised (on Gnome). |
| 17:34.32 | netman1 | LSorensen: ln ;-) |
| 17:34.36 | LSorensen | NorthItaly: cupsys supports it (assuming there is a driver for that printer) |
| 17:34.38 | NorthItaly | how to print on a windows shared printer? |
| 17:34.51 | LSorensen | Berith: no that would be something else. |
| 17:34.53 | onetinsoldier | ok... thank you guys. i think netman1 hit on what i was looking for. thanks netman1. :-) |
| 17:35.09 | NorthItaly | LSorensen: i try now |
| 17:35.11 | LSorensen | Berith: I think that's the taskbar |
| 17:35.15 | NorthItaly | LSorensen: thank you |
| 17:35.24 | netman1 | onetinsoldiers: You're welcome. |
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| 17:35.48 | Berith | LSorensen: Well, do you know how to sort it? |
| 17:36.24 | chrysopa | How to make active the sound buttons on a Dell laptop D400? |
| 17:36.34 | LSorensen | Berith: no, I just know on kde some programs will highlight their entry if they want attension. I think gnome can too. assuming the program knows how to do it. I never liked it much so I never cared if it worked or not |
| 17:37.10 | LSorensen | chrysopa: find some documentation on adding keyboard codes to keys that don't do anything. I think there are packages for it. |
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| 17:38.06 | LSorensen | chrysopa: apt-cache show hotkey-setup for example |
| 17:38.08 | chrysopa | LSorensen, I find for it |
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| 17:39.33 | enrico1919 | i must install the driver for canon ip1500 on debian..i can? |
| 17:39.37 | jayeola | hey chaps. what version of libc do you use if you are using sarge and what to make deb packages? |
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| 17:40.32 | LSorensen | jey: sarge uses 2.3.2 |
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| 17:42.51 | Niklas_E | I installed the sane drivers for my brother "mfc210c" but sane doesn't find it now, it found it right after I installed it. anyone know why? |
| 17:43.07 | LSorensen | Niklas_E: usb? |
| 17:43.11 | Niklas_E | yep |
| 17:43.16 | LSorensen | Niklas_E: is the scanner driver loaded? |
| 17:43.28 | LSorensen | Niklas_E: as in the generic usb scanner module? |
| 17:43.48 | DrPete | LSorensen: I was going to build the servers as virutal machine, do you think it will be ok to use tempfs? |
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| 17:43.57 | LSorensen | Niklas_E: oh and is the canner on and plugged in? |
| 17:44.00 | jayeola | thanks LSorensen |
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| 17:44.05 | LSorensen | DrPete: I don't see why not |
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| 17:44.13 | DrPete | LSorensen: oki ta |
| 17:44.26 | fefaaa | How do I flash my BIOS from Debian? |
| 17:44.28 | Niklas_E | yeah, the scanner is on and plugged in, drivers I don't know |
| 17:44.35 | LSorensen | fefaaa: you don't in general |
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| 17:44.49 | LSorensen | Niklas_E: you can try and see if 'modprobe scanner' helps |
| 17:44.55 | sepski | fefaaa, usualy you do it from a bootable floppy provided from your device vendor |
| 17:45.13 | LSorensen | fefaaa: make a bootable dos floppy or cd and flash from that |
| 17:45.20 | fefaaa | I don't have any external media drives |
| 17:45.26 | Niklas_E | ok |
| 17:45.45 | LSorensen | fefaaa: no floppy or cd or anything? |
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| 17:45.55 | fefaaa | yes that's right, I have none of those |
| 17:46.00 | LSorensen | fefaaa: i guess it might even be possible to make a bootable dos usb key. |
| 17:46.18 | fefaaa | ...I don't have a usb flash drive |
| 17:46.28 | LSorensen | fefaaa: I guess the answer is: get a usb floppy drive or usb key and make it bootable with dos (freedos should be fine) and use that to flash it |
| 17:46.42 | LSorensen | fefaaa: there is no way to do it on any system I have ever used from linux |
| 17:46.49 | LSorensen | fefaaa: most can't even do it from windows |
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| 17:47.10 | fefaaa | hmm. OK. I've done it from Windows several times with several different motherboards. |
| 17:47.14 | LSorensen | fefaaa: some dell servers can be done from linux I think I read somewhere but it's still experimental |
| 17:47.30 | fefaaa | right yeah I don't wanna risk killing my BIOS. |
| 17:47.42 | fefaaa | I guess I'll just keep the old version on here for a while |
| 17:47.51 | LSorensen | fefaaa: only ones I ever saw do it from windows was some asus boards. and that's because asus wrote the tool to do it. they don't write tools for linux |
| 17:48.10 | sepski | fefaaa, you could make a tiny dos partition and copy the tols there. and boot to that from grub |
| 17:48.10 | LSorensen | fefaaa: unless you have a problem that the bios update is supposed to fix, then don't bother updating it |
| 17:48.55 | fefaaa | hmmm that's a cool idea sepski. Does anyone know how to do a driver overload from Linux? That's changing the windows registry. |
| 17:49.20 | fefaaa | Can that be done? My XP partition is NTFS and trying to use the wrong drivers so I need to help it.. |
| 17:49.50 | fefaaa | and I don't have recovery console available so I need something from Linux that can do it :p |
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| 17:52.48 | britt | hey guys, i installed tiger and have cron doing checks for various things every day, and every so often I get a LKM trojan warning...but whenever I check myself, I get nothing... |
| 17:53.11 | britt | is this a true attack or just a false positive? |
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| 17:56.16 | Wonko | Hello! I'm running Debian Etch on an AMD 64 3200+ and during the installation linux-image-2.6-486 was installed. Should i install linux-image-k7 or linux-image-2.6-k7 instead? Or anyone else? |
| 17:56.20 | NorthItaly | who is able to configure a printer on a ms lan? |
| 17:56.31 | NorthItaly | i tried but i cant |
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| 17:58.05 | Miesco | NorthItaly: What? |
| 17:58.06 | cheal | Wonko: you can't install linux-image-k7 without installing linux-image-2.6-k7. k7 should be more optimised than generic 486 for amd64 |
| 17:58.19 | Miesco | NorthItaly: With samba? |
| 17:58.28 | NorthItaly | Miesco: no |
| 17:58.36 | NorthItaly | cupsys |
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| 17:59.18 | Miesco | NorthItaly: Is the printer like \\domain\printer? |
| 18:00.04 | _ericb | hi all |
| 18:00.05 | jfs | britt: false positive, probably |
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| 18:01.36 | dn4 | http://stugs.com:8000/listen.pls |
| 18:02.01 | abrotman | dn4: wrong channel ? |
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| 18:02.37 | dn4 | whoops, shamless antics of promoting a friend |
| 18:02.46 | NorthItaly | what port choose to use a ms shared printer? |
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| 18:03.55 | _ericb | anyone have a suggestion for an imap server that works almost out of the box ? |
| 18:04.05 | row | _ericb: for what kinda config? |
| 18:04.10 | brick | any clues why i get NO_PUBKEY on apt-get update, and have to confirm that i want unverified packages? |
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| 18:04.53 | _ericb | row Maildir, unix auth.. |
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| 18:05.23 | row | recon courier-imap will work out of the box for that, but not 100% sure on that as I have virtual users setup via mysql db. |
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| 18:05.32 | cat | can someone tell me how can i download a plugin for wmv files so i can view them properly when i open them with mplayer or xine i just get sound but i don't get images |
| 18:05.50 | row | mplayer has the codecs for wmv iirc.... |
| 18:05.52 | _ericb | ok go for courier-imap.. thanks ! |
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| 18:06.08 | cat | does it? |
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| 18:06.31 | NorthItaly | how to print on a m$ shared printer? |
| 18:06.37 | johnsu01 | Having trouble trying to ssh port forward an nfs mount. mount says the server is down. But on the server I'm able to nfs mount localhost:/foo fine. In the server log, I don't see any attempted nfs mount, so it seems like the problem is the forwarding. |
| 18:06.52 | Wonko | If someone answered my question a few minutes ago. Could you please repeat since the xserver suddenly died for me. |
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| 18:07.22 | cat | cheal> Wonko: you can't install linux-image-k7 without installing linux-image-2.6-k7. k7 should be more optimised than generic 486 for amd64 |
| 18:07.45 | johnsu01 | But I can telnet to the forwarded ports on the client fine. |
| 18:08.30 | Miesco | Anyone use phpgroupware or egroupware? |
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| 18:09.49 | _ericb | let's go for courier-imap |
| 18:10.11 | onetinsoldier | anyone here familiar with mak-kpkg? what should i put after --append-to-version ..? |
| 18:10.23 | onetinsoldier | *make-kpkg |
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| 18:10.37 | mortal__ | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5835 when will this be fixed in debian unstable? |
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| 18:11.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:11.51 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:14.06 | onetinsoldier | mortal__: maybe i'm missing something but at first look it says... status: resolved ...resolution: fixed |
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| 18:19.29 | simeon | hi guys |
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| 18:20.02 | simeon | is there any integration between debian's pon/poff scripts, and some sort of GUI tool for ppp links? |
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| 18:21.19 | simeon | aaah |
| 18:21.21 | simeon | gpppmon |
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| 18:24.02 | dn4 | do they make 1TB mp3 players? |
| 18:24.22 | dn4 | they being any commercial industry |
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| 18:24.57 | simeon | 1TB? |
| 18:25.06 | row | 1TB LOL! |
| 18:25.09 | unix_infidel | heh. |
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| 18:25.27 | unix_infidel | they dont even have 1TB flash drives, that'd be first on the list imho. |
| 18:26.07 | sepski | dn4, sure take 2 500GB drives duct tape them together with a vie epia board. |
| 18:26.26 | unix_infidel | making sure to wear a static wrist band :P |
| 18:26.27 | unix_infidel | LOL. |
| 18:27.23 | mirak | anyone is good with pam_mount ? I am trying to mount fuse smbnetfs at login |
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| 18:29.16 | Taa5i | Greetings. While trying to install Debian testing, part of the installation seems to remove the kernels It had just installed, so that when I reboot grub has no entries. Is this normal? |
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| 18:30.25 | brick | Taa5i, i have no idea about the install or the kernels, but what grub lists at boot is defined in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:31.20 | Taa5i | In the install log it lists: removing kernel-image-2.6-686 removing linux-image-2.6.686 removing linux-imagbe-2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 18:32.09 | brick | where is the maximum length of dmesg output defined? i want to see the boot output, but i only see lots of USB activity. |
| 18:32.30 | tarzeau | brick: dmesg -h |
| 18:32.36 | martinyelland | Hi all, how do I use a tape drive in Debian Sarge? |
| 18:32.51 | tarzeau | martinyelland: mt and tar? |
| 18:32.55 | mirak | I am trying to use pam_mount to mount something with fuse at login. I don't understand how I can use custom mount commands. using volumes limitate the usage, and I also I better run the command as a user |
| 18:33.25 | brick | tarzeau, yes, i read the man page... it seems to depend on the size of the "kernel ring buffer", but i don't see where that's defined... |
| 18:33.25 | martinyelland | how would I use mt and tar? is tar not just an archiver? |
| 18:33.40 | tarzeau | brick: just define it |
| 18:33.45 | tarzeau | martinyelland: man tar |
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| 18:35.50 | mops | how to figure out which packages are DEPENDENT ON package XY? |
| 18:36.16 | cheal | mops: synaptic has an option for that |
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| 18:36.44 | mops | cheal: no other way? |
| 18:37.10 | cheal | mops: $ apt-cache rdepends XY |
| 18:37.13 | brick | tarzeau, sorry, i feel like an idiot here, but specifying a longer length (-s) gives the same output... don't i have to increase the kernel ring buffer size? (i already turned off verbose USB logging.) |
| 18:37.33 | mops | thx |
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| 18:39.50 | johnsu01 | ok, I can see in the syslog that RPC is receiving the characters I type in telnet to the forwarded port.. |
| 18:41.25 | _ericb | I'm currently trying to generate rsa key for postfix and it asks for passphrase, and doesn't accept passphrase smaller than 4 characters. man openssl doesn't say anything about empty or minimum passphrase, while the tutorial I'm fallowing doesn't mention anything neither |
| 18:41.54 | _ericb | anyone have a clue on which arg to pass to openssl so it doesn't check for passphrase ? I'm using this command : openssl genrsa -des3 -rand /etc/hosts -out smtpd.key 1024 |
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| 18:43.01 | konfuzed | im getting ready to replace a suse9 server with debian and im curious where I can find out about recent debian release schedule and kernel versions. pointers please |
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| 18:48.04 | peritus | konfuzed: debian release schedule? |
| 18:48.24 | mirak | is it normal that there is not /sbin/mount.fuse ? |
| 18:48.55 | cheal | konfuzed: what do you want to know exactly? |
| 18:49.00 | Coweater | what's the best way to run insmod a driver on boot? i need to force a module load since it fails by modprobe |
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| 18:50.37 | abrotman | !find fuse sarge |
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| 18:50.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fuse' (6 of 26): (/bin/fuser) in admin/psmisc ;; (/sbin/ifuser) in base/pcmcia-cs ;; (/usr/bin/fusermount) in utils/fuse-utils ;; (/usr/lib/maxdb/devtools/pgm/mfuse) in devel/maxdb-buildtools ;; (/usr/share/apps/kmerlin/smilies/confused.png) in kde/kmerlin ;; (/usr/lib/{libfuse.so.2|libfuse.so.2.2.1}) in libs/libfuse2. |
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| 18:52.34 | green_earz | konfuzed: the link may be of use ? its from the debian news and its about the would be release of etch > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00000.html |
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| 18:53.27 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 18:53.27 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00000.html |
| 18:53.40 | naoliv | How can I configure Apache 1.3.34 to display .dsc and .changes files as text (for example, if I click on them, it opens as a text file)? |
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| 18:55.35 | nzerox | hi, is it safe for me to compile a .deb from unstable source on testing ? |
| 18:55.59 | Number_5 | sure |
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| 18:59.38 | StanTheMan | awefully quiet |
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| 19:00.07 | mortal__ | very aweful |
| 19:00.12 | nzerox | hey guys |
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| 19:00.44 | `Belial | is a netinstall the preferred method for a debian install? |
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| 19:00.53 | StanTheMan | I could use some troubleshooting help. I can't seem to establish and ftp connection to a Debian box I inherited, although I can SSH to it and hit apache |
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| 19:01.18 | StanTheMan | I checked the iptables and everything seems to be allowed by default... |
| 19:01.28 | nzerox | StanTheMan, does the machine have a ftp server running ? |
| 19:01.31 | daft | StanTheMan maby there is no ftp running |
| 19:01.42 | StanTheMan | give me a little creadit... |
| 19:01.46 | StanTheMan | credit |
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| 19:02.16 | StanTheMan | from a console, I can open an ftp session to 10.10.10.16, the machine's IP |
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| 19:02.36 | StanTheMan | i have the standard debian ftp server installed |
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| 19:03.08 | StanTheMan | the daemon is not running, but it seems the server is being launched by inet.d |
| 19:03.10 | StanTheMan | no? |
| 19:03.16 | tarzeau | brick: yes you should |
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| 19:03.50 | brick | tarzeau, great, reading still... |
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| 19:05.02 | nzerox | deb-src http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free <if i change this to unstable, should i change the security sources to unstable as well ? |
| 19:05.12 | StanTheMan | no other suggestions? |
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| 19:05.20 | peritus | `Belial: it is probably not preferred if you do not have an internet connection |
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| 19:05.31 | brick | tarzeau, any clue where to find this in the kernel config, please? |
| 19:05.38 | StanTheMan | daft: ? |
| 19:05.46 | StanTheMan | nzerox: ? |
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| 19:06.09 | brick | aha, LOG_BUF_SHIFT! |
| 19:06.40 | daft | StanTheMan many it is lissening to the inside ip. btw why do you need ftp any way |
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| 19:06.57 | chrysopa | Hi |
| 19:07.01 | StanTheMan | sigh... |
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| 19:07.30 | StanTheMan | daft: where do i check to see if it's listening to the 10.10.10.16 IP? |
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| 19:07.43 | ifvoid | StanTheMan: netstat -anp |
| 19:07.47 | StanTheMan | thx |
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| 19:08.09 | StanTheMan | f |
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| 19:08.24 | chrysopa | I try to install the official debian sl-modem using dpkg-buildpackage, but it dont work. Why? |
| 19:08.41 | StanTheMan | daft: wait a second, would it not be inetd that's listening? since I have ftp runing in standalone mode, not as a daemon? |
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| 19:09.03 | ezech | hi |
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| 19:09.16 | ezech | I'm about to install minimalistic debian distro |
| 19:09.41 | zinx | if it isn't called debian, it isn't debian.. which isn't bad, but we don't support things that aren't debian here |
| 19:09.56 | ezech | I want to use floppies for install via internet (no working cdrom device) |
| 19:09.59 | zinx | since they're generally have problems completely different from debian |
| 19:10.09 | ezech | yes, I want to install debian, but just few packages of it |
| 19:10.09 | zinx | s/they're/they/ |
| 19:10.10 | `Belial | zinx: i think he means the minimal cd |
| 19:10.13 | zinx | oh, ok |
| 19:10.23 | `Belial | which i think i'm about to do |
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| 19:10.32 | ezech | only to make it boot from hard drive and have working alsa-lib |
| 19:10.32 | zinx | you may be better off with a different distro if you only have the floppy to install from |
| 19:10.34 | daft | (no working cdrom device) use the net install floppies |
| 19:10.40 | zinx | debian's pretty hefty |
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| 19:10.53 | zinx | oh, nevermind, you said you had net |
| 19:10.54 | ezech | I'm downloading install.img, root.img and net-drivers.img |
| 19:10.55 | `Belial | i'm on slack now, but i want to switch to debian |
| 19:11.01 | chrysopa | how to make udev to create a /dev/modem on init |
| 19:11.04 | `Belial | is the netinstall the best way to go? |
| 19:11.06 | daft | ezech thats correct ezech |
| 19:11.18 | dvs | `Belial: do you have fast internet connection? |
| 19:11.20 | ezech | chrysopa: check /etc/udev/rules or something like that |
| 19:11.22 | chrysopa | what file i need to edit |
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| 19:11.31 | chrysopa | ezech, I try |
| 19:11.36 | `Belial | dvs: yeah, same one i used to install gentoo. |
| 19:11.47 | dvs | `Belial: then I'd do netinstall |
| 19:12.06 | `Belial | now is the netinstall the stable version of debian? |
| 19:12.20 | dvs | `Belial: it depends which one you get |
| 19:12.46 | `Belial | i don't really need to be bleeding edge, but i don't want it to far behind either. |
| 19:12.49 | `Belial | what do you suggest? |
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| 19:12.57 | StanTheMan | any other suggestions? |
| 19:13.01 | DrPete | Is there one tftp server better than another? for deb |
| 19:13.02 | dvs | `Belial: I'd suggest sarge (stable) |
| 19:13.22 | `Belial | sounds good |
| 19:13.25 | dvs | 3.1r2 |
| 19:13.26 | johnsu01 | Is there anything else I need besides ALL: 127.0.0.1 in hosts.allow to allow ssh port forwarding to the nfs ports? |
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| 19:13.59 | `Belial | dvs: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ this one, correct? |
| 19:14.07 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: you around? |
| 19:14.21 | dvs | `Belial: yup |
| 19:14.43 | tarzeau | brick: it's not a kernel config thing |
| 19:14.49 | tarzeau | brick: just run it in some init script |
| 19:15.17 | `Belial | dvs: thanks. in your opinion how is the install compared to say, slackware's? |
| 19:15.38 | daft | `Belial just read and your fine |
| 19:15.54 | `Belial | ok |
| 19:15.56 | `Belial | thanks |
| 19:15.57 | daft | you dont need a printed manual next to you |
| 19:16.06 | dvs | `Belial: It's a bit better than slackware. The old version (3.0) was really similar to slackware. The current one has more auto detection. |
| 19:16.21 | brick | tarzeau, what i understood inthe configurator help is that CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=17 will do the trick |
| 19:16.39 | `Belial | giving it a shot |
| 19:17.23 | Yon_0 | hey guys |
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| 19:17.53 | Yon_0 | does anyone know of a program that can query SQL server and then print? |
| 19:17.55 | StanTheMan | ok, I've established that inetd is listening and launching ftpd manually upon a connection request |
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| 19:18.25 | StanTheMan | or the ftp server, if not the daemon |
| 19:18.28 | ranpha | hi i'm trying to install debian unstable but i get a message that the kernel versie is not right?? what to do now? |
| 19:18.53 | StanTheMan | so, that brings us back to why it won't establish a connection to an external host request on 10.10.10.16 |
| 19:19.14 | StanTheMan | again, I've checked the iptables, and everthing it seems is allowed? |
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| 19:19.41 | StanTheMan | is my problem beyong the technical expertise of anyone active in the channel right now? |
| 19:19.52 | StanTheMan | beyond that is |
| 19:20.02 | ranpha | stan no idea.... |
| 19:20.12 | Taa5i | When installing Debian from net-inst floppies near the end, it goes and removes the kernel image it just installed, as well as udev, so that when I reboot grub has no entries. How might I fix this please? |
| 19:20.13 | js1 | can someone help me plz, i have sarge, and mysql doesn't work, it wasnt running so i did /usr/bin/mysqld_safe& but now when i do su --shell=/bin/sh mysql; mysql -u mysql; use mysql; says access denied wtf? |
| 19:20.28 | Taa5i | I've tried reinstalling half a dozen times trying different mirrors and images so far. |
| 19:20.48 | shogunx | StanTheMan please state the exact nature of your problem as clearly as possible. |
| 19:20.54 | ranpha | taai5i installing stable or unstable? |
| 19:21.00 | Taa5i | ranpha: testing |
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| 19:21.46 | Taa5i | I tried installing stable just a bit ago and it failed out on Detect Hardware, but testing seems to work fine aside from this. |
| 19:21.47 | ranpha | had no problem with testing..i got a problem with unstable..i put in the cd it was to intstall but can't find any kernel modules...did they do a release without the core system ???? |
| 19:22.09 | Taa5i | ranpha: Well this is off the boot floppies, so it's all from their mirrors. |
| 19:22.12 | kimo | Hi, I'm studying DNS/Bind. I understand the basics. I wanna know more about *when* to delegate sub-domains, how to better architect Master/Slave servers ? Any recommended docs ? |
| 19:22.20 | parsonsd | jsl does it work when you separate out the commands and run them not all on the same line? |
| 19:22.24 | ranpha | with testing i got no sound.... |
| 19:22.50 | StanTheMan | shogunx: i can't establish an ftp connection to my deb box from an external host. I can establish a local connection from a shell to the IP bound to the nic, 10.10.10.16. netstat -anp shows the connection on tcp 20/21. Iptables seem to allow all by default. |
| 19:23.13 | ranpha | taa5i maybe try the netwrok install cd |
| 19:23.13 | parsonsd | jsl -- what i'm getting at is that perhaps your incantation is asking only one of the commands to run as 'su' not all three |
| 19:23.29 | Taa5i | ranpha: I would love to, but my laptop has no cd drive, and my attempts at installing from eg usb key have failed so far. |
| 19:23.30 | shogunx | StanTheMan can you make any other tcp/ip connections to the host from the host you are trying to access ftp from? |
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| 19:23.44 | ezech | 3 boxes and only two screens, not good |
| 19:23.58 | StanTheMan | shogunz: let me restate that. When viewing "iptables -L" shows allow everywhere. I can establish ssh and http connections to the box. |
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| 19:24.09 | Taa5i | Hm, looks like there's a but written about this. |
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| 19:24.14 | ranpha | taa5i ..then you got a old laptop i guess :-).....i even don't know what floppies are anymore |
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| 19:24.30 | StanTheMan | shogunx: let me restate that. When viewing "iptables -L" shows allow everywhere. I can establish ssh and http connections to the box. |
| 19:24.46 | kimo | StanTheMan: perhaps ftpd is only listening to localhost ?? (just a wild guess) |
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| 19:24.49 | ezech | ranpha: once I borrowed book from school, and there was 5.25" floppy attached to it |
| 19:25.04 | Taa5i | Looks like I have to choose a 2.4 kernel then upgrade later. |
| 19:25.14 | StanTheMan | kimo: ftp is not running as a daemon. It's being called on demand by inetd. |
| 19:25.16 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: eh, 10.10.10.16 is private addess space. You can't access that from the general internet |
| 19:25.16 | shogunx | StanTheMan what happens when you telnet to 21 on the ftp server? |
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| 19:25.40 | kimo | StanTheMan: could u try nmap -sT from the remote box |
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| 19:25.44 | gteppel | Is there a HOWTO out there for installing Debian via netboot in the bios running the netboot server from an OSX machine? |
| 19:25.54 | ranpha | ezech..what's a book???? |
| 19:25.57 | kimo | StanTheMan: can u connect with telnet |
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| 19:26.52 | {{CORONA}} | hi can someone tell me what command to issue to upgrade xfree86 to xorg after i have added the backports repo? |
| 19:26.54 | ranpha | still can someone help me with the unstable install?? |
| 19:27.12 | tombo | Hi Guys. I am having real trouble installing Nvidia drivers. Am unable to set up the right repository in synaptic. |
| 19:27.31 | cheal | tombo: what happens when you try? |
| 19:27.33 | StanTheMan | gimme a sec |
| 19:27.37 | js1 | parsonsd: it's run as seperate lines |
| 19:27.40 | DimmuR | tombo: did you try to add it manually into /etc/sources.list ? |
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| 19:27.51 | Blissex | tombo: it si also easy to edit '/etc/apt/sources.list' manually |
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| 19:28.28 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I'm using "remote desktop" to see my pc from another using VNC, now... how do I know when a client is connected to my PC, and how can I kick him/her is I wanted to? |
| 19:28.49 | spoopin | ranpha: I hate to say it, but if you're having problems installing unstable, you probably shouldn't be running it.. |
| 19:29.02 | StanTheMan | showgunx: connection times out telnet'ing to TCP 21 |
| 19:29.25 | ranpha | spoopin...i can't even get past the frist screen of the installer.....dont even know if it will run |
| 19:29.41 | coron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.41 | coron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.49 | shogunx | StanTheMan can you connect to any other inetd run services on the external interface? |
| 19:29.52 | StanTheMan | kimo: no nmap. Only box on the inside of the "SITE" I can get to is through citrix. It's obviously a windows box... |
| 19:30.10 | spoopin | StanTheMan: are you sure the ftpd is correctly configured? inetd can only hand connections off to a daemon it can start |
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| 19:30.59 | StanTheMan | I think you guys are on to something |
| 19:31.07 | spoopin | StanTheMan: in other words, are there any messages in syslog, etc? |
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| 19:31.15 | shogunx | StanTheMan oh, you don;t want help? |
| 19:31.29 | StanTheMan | the only connections i seem to be able to make from the outside are to daemons, not inetd called services |
| 19:32.06 | StanTheMan | shogunx: huh? yes i do, what caused that question? |
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| 19:32.11 | shogunx | StanTheMan well, it appears that we have isolated your problem to inetd. the question was caused because you said we were on something. |
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| 19:32.36 | shogunx | StanTheMan my bad... misread you. my apologies. |
| 19:32.47 | myren | anyone have recommendations for gaim clients? |
| 19:32.56 | myren | errm, aim clients that are not gaim |
| 19:32.59 | StanTheMan | shogunx: no no, YOU are on to something. I don't know how to check the inetd config status to make sure it's listening and firing ftp |
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| 19:33.18 | spoopin | StanTheMan: what ftp daemon are you using? |
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| 19:33.37 | kimo | Hi, I'm studying DNS/Bind. I understand the basics. I wanna know more about *when* to delegate sub-domains, how to better architect Master/Slave servers ? Any recommended docs ? |
| 19:33.38 | StanTheMan | spoopin: just the generic ftpd deb package |
| 19:34.05 | shogunx | StanTheMan can you do a ps pe | grep inet just to ensure that inetd is running. |
| 19:34.15 | shogunx | ps -e | grep inet that is |
| 19:34.38 | tombo | The First problem is this error message; Couuldn't stat source package list; sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_cdrom_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 19:34.41 | spoopin | StanTheMan: man ftpd; see if there's a debug or no-fork mode for it to run in the foreground; THEN see if you can connect to it |
| 19:34.42 | shogunx | StanTheMan, ps -e | grep inet that is |
| 19:34.44 | antoniojulio | it's possible migration active directory to debian sarge openldap ? howto migration passwords? |
| 19:35.00 | shogunx | spoopin that still does not fix inetd |
| 19:35.22 | kimo | StanTheMan: I *think* I saw an inet bug sometime soon.... try /etc/init.d/inetd stop; sleep 2; /etc/init.d/inetd start; Then connect from remote ... (just maybe) |
| 19:35.26 | StanTheMan | shogunx: 726 ? 00:00:00 inetd |
| 19:35.42 | ranpha | so no hope i getting debain unstable to install on my system? |
| 19:35.46 | spoopin | shogunx: true, if inetd is broken... |
| 19:36.02 | bbrazil | kimo: the master is on your site. The slaves should be on another continent |
| 19:36.03 | StanTheMan | kimo: it's woody it looks like, kernel 2.4.27.x |
| 19:36.22 | dvs | !iyhtays ranpha |
| 19:36.23 | dpkg | ranpha: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 19:36.29 | StanTheMan | kimo: still try your suggestion? |
| 19:36.38 | kimo | bbrazil: when do u delegate sub domains? |
| 19:36.42 | kimo | StanTheMan: prolly not :) |
| 19:36.51 | spoopin | antoniojulio: that's a pretty in-depth project. Google for it. there's been lots of work in that direction |
| 19:37.05 | abrotman | vin`: ping |
| 19:37.12 | shogunx | StanTheMan ok. lets check /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 19:37.25 | bbrazil | kimo: whenever someone else should have control of them |
| 19:37.38 | bbrazil | kimo: or sometimes, when a subdomain is a bit too big |
| 19:37.46 | spoopin | abrotman: Imagine finding you here ;) |
| 19:37.59 | abrotman | spoopin: don't blame me! |
| 19:38.10 | antoniojulio | spoopin: i don't understand you? its possible? |
| 19:38.16 | kimo | bbrazil: if my site is too big, should the *secondary* servers be slaves or delegated ? |
| 19:38.30 | bbrazil | kimo: secondary servers are slaves |
| 19:38.38 | ezech | just asking, "Press F1-F4 to select drive..." is not debian'ish? |
| 19:38.44 | bbrazil | kimo: each zone should have a master and one or more slaves |
| 19:38.54 | spoopin | antoniojulio: to some extent. I'm just saying people on IRC won't be able to give you the full answer.. |
| 19:38.55 | ezech | then it turns into "?D " prompt |
| 19:38.57 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 19:38.58 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 19:38.59 | kimo | bbrazil: or u could start delegating them |
| 19:39.15 | bbrazil | kimo: each delegated zone would still need a master and slaves |
| 19:39.16 | kimo | bbrazil: anyway, know of any document describing how to architect this to be optimal ? |
| 19:39.27 | dvs | Hmm.. it doesn't mention SATA |
| 19:39.32 | bbrazil | kimo: not off the top of my head, have you checked tldp.org ? |
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| 19:39.44 | kimo | yeah .. regular stuff |
| 19:39.57 | StanTheMan | shogunx: http://www.hardwarefreak.com/inetd.conf.txt |
| 19:40.06 | bbrazil | kimo: how about RFC1034-1037 ? |
| 19:40.08 | kimo | the thing is, if my site is too big, both delegation & slaving save me hits .. so which to choose |
| 19:40.26 | bbrazil | kimo: delegation and slaves are different |
| 19:40.35 | kimo | bbrazil: I know .. |
| 19:40.39 | bbrazil | kimo: delegation is for delegating control. Slaves are for redundancy |
| 19:40.56 | kimo | bbrazil: slaves dont help reduce load ? |
| 19:41.10 | bbrazil | kimo: they do that too |
| 19:41.20 | bbrazil | kimo: but you're just spreading it around |
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| 19:41.42 | kimo | bbrazil: when does a slave reduce load ? |
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| 19:41.57 | bbrazil | kimo: when you aren't the one running it ;) |
| 19:42.05 | spoopin | kimo: delegation is most useful if you want to subdivide your organization logically |
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| 19:42.43 | tombo | The First problem is this error message; Couuldn't stat source package list; sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_cdrom_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 19:42.48 | kimo | ok .. thnx guys .. guess I will think about it |
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| 19:43.41 | ezech | hmn, boot.img is self off-floppy bootable disk? |
| 19:43.42 | shogunx | StanTheMan hmm... i wonder why inet is calling /usr/sbin/tcpd. please try changing that to /usr/sbin/in.ftpd, restarting inetd and connecting again. |
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| 19:44.01 | ezech | becouse it seem to pass booting to harddrive |
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| 19:44.09 | bbrazil | shogunx: tcpwrappers iirc |
| 19:44.13 | StanTheMan | showgunx: ok this is interesting. I'm attempting to ftp OUT of the problem box to my web server here at home. It can log on, but when I try to PUT or LS, it seems to hang. |
| 19:44.29 | elirips | hello. i would like to run a programm (cvstrac) from inetd. I edited the conf-file, but it does not work. Can someone tell me where i can find a logfile of inetd, so I could see what's going wrong? |
| 19:44.33 | StanTheMan | shogunx: ok this is interesting. I'm attempting to ftp OUT of the problem box to my web server here at home. It can log on, but when I try to PUT or LS, it seems to hang. |
| 19:44.36 | shogunx | StanTheMan seems also that it should not be calling it as root, but lets try one variable at a time. |
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| 19:45.28 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: I said it a while back. 10.10.10.16 isn't accessible from the general internet. You seem to have some DNAT and SNAT support, but FTP is a bit special in terms of the layer 3 support it needs |
| 19:45.32 | spoopin | StanTheMan: tcpwrappers is controlling access to the ftp server; man tcpd for details... |
| 19:46.06 | shogunx | bbrazil he is trying to access a ftp server from outside a NAT? |
| 19:46.16 | bbrazil | shogunx: twould seem so |
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| 19:46.36 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: you haven't been paying attention. I am not a nub guy. I'm not hitting the box from the general internet. I'm remoted into the private network via citrix, and hitting the box from another host on 10.10.10.x |
| 19:46.44 | shogunx | StanTheMan bbrazil do you have a machine on the same local subnet that you can try the ftp server from? |
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| 19:46.59 | shogunx | StanTheMan ok. |
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| 19:47.34 | bbrazil | shogunx: LS and PUT both use ports other than 21, this indicates some form of network problem to me |
| 19:47.38 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: ^ |
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| 19:49.21 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, hi do I kick someone connected to my PC using VNC? |
| 19:49.28 | SonnyBurnett | *how |
| 19:49.29 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: have you tried switching PASV on/off? |
| 19:49.34 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, how do I kick someone connected to my PC using VNC? |
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| 19:50.22 | StanTheMan | shogunx: http://www.hardwarefreak.com/iptables.txt |
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| 19:50.35 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: http://www.hardwarefreak.com/iptables.txt |
| 19:50.47 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: blank |
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| 19:51.09 | shogunx | StanTheMan, hosts_access ? |
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| 19:51.22 | shogunx | StanTheMan, from the tcpd manpage. |
| 19:51.23 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: i just installed the ftp package, so the defaults are in place. PASV shouldn't be an issue, as the machines are both on the same local subnet. |
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| 19:52.11 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: now try the iptables.txt weblink |
| 19:52.17 | konfuzed | this article/e-mail is a great review of the status of etch development, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00000.html thanks |
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| 19:52.45 | itc | hello there is there a link where I can get some info for recopmpiling the kernel? I have no experience with grub |
| 19:52.57 | ezech | I have problems with booting boot.img and manual is confusing at that part |
| 19:53.08 | shogunx | StanTheMan check /etc/hosts.allow and also try it after iptables -F |
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| 19:54.12 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: can I assume the ftpd is running on 10000? |
| 19:54.41 | konfuzed | hmmmm i suspect to maintain stability with asterisk and some other projects i need to run , it is best to stick with the currently debian-stable, non-etch version |
| 19:54.45 | StanTheMan | shogunx: regarding inetd.conf, ftp has both tcpd *and* inftpd listed. Should I delete the tcpd entry? |
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| 19:55.10 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: I think I've got the problem, connection tracking for FTP probably only works on port 21 |
| 19:55.11 | ezech | I've downloaded http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/20050305/images/floppy/boot.img and it doesn't boot (instead it passess booting to harddrive) |
| 19:55.14 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: i don't understand that question. ftpd is not running as a daemon. |
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| 19:55.22 | spoopin | StanTheMan: man tcpd.. and all will become clear to you :) |
| 19:55.25 | shogunx | StanTheMan negatory on that... tcpwrappers handles that, as bbrazil pointed out. |
| 19:55.39 | shogunx | StanTheMan spoopin is right. |
| 19:55.50 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: I don't care how you're running it. Is it using port 10000? |
| 19:56.23 | StanTheMan | what I don't get is, i just installed with "apt-get install ftpd" I done it many many times, and never had a problem with it running "automagically" |
| 19:56.24 | spoopin | bbrazil: the first line accepts everything anyway, doesn't it? |
| 19:56.37 | bbrazil | spoopin: outbound, yes. Not inbound |
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| 19:57.36 | bbrazil | spoopin: that would break PASV ftp |
| 19:57.59 | bbrazil | spoopin: assuming ftp on 10000 and connection tracking not working |
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| 19:58.42 | spoopin | bbrazil: his first rule is accept all anywhere anywhere .. for INPUT |
| 19:58.43 | shogunx | StanTheMan give her a go after dumping the iptables rules with iptables -F. this will let us know if its your firewall. |
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| 19:58.57 | bbrazil | shogunx: ah, misread it |
| 19:59.13 | spoopin | StanTheMan: I second that. |
| 19:59.31 | StanTheMan | did you look at the iptables.txt on my webserver? it looks clean |
| 19:59.50 | StanTheMan | or maybe i'm ignorant of iptables (make that definitely am ig of iptables) |
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| 20:00.00 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: is the firewall on the client clean too? |
| 20:00.38 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: haha! it's a winblows 2003 citrix server--definitely wide open lol |
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| 20:00.53 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: you sure about that? |
| 20:01.15 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: My experiance with 2k3 tells me that there's a firewall by default |
| 20:01.50 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: wait a sec. It's not a citrix server, it's actually the DC i'm logged into via RDP client runnin on a citrix server ... |
| 20:01.54 | shogunx | bbrazil my experience with says to mke2fs that partition its on;) |
| 20:02.15 | StanTheMan | shogunx: umm... iptables -F hasn't returned my shell prompt, after like 2 minutes |
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| 20:02.27 | StanTheMan | it's hung it seems |
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| 20:02.50 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: your default policy is drop, you just blocked all connections |
| 20:03.02 | StanTheMan | doh |
| 20:03.09 | protonchris | StanTheMan: -F only flushes the rules, it doesn't change the policy |
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| 20:03.31 | StanTheMan | so what now? I haven't just killed my ssh access to the box have i? |
| 20:03.47 | protonchris | StanTheMan: you have locked yourself out. |
| 20:03.51 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: pretty much. You'll probably need physical access to fix it |
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| 20:04.26 | StanTheMan | fuck |
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| 20:04.37 | StanTheMan | i wish i'd been warned of that... |
| 20:04.41 | anarcat | crap! |
| 20:04.46 | anarcat | that spammer is still there guys |
| 20:04.48 | StanTheMan | oh well, ill screw with it monday |
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| 20:04.55 | shogunx | StanTheMan i thought you were actually at the box. sorry. |
| 20:04.56 | anarcat | GuL, he keeps on msg'ing ppl on entry |
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| 20:05.18 | StanTheMan | shogunx: no, I was remote by about 3 layers... |
| 20:05.28 | DarkJesus | What do I need to compile source code on debian? |
| 20:05.30 | bbrazil | anarcat: the joys of set unfiltered off |
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| 20:05.39 | dvs | DarkJesus: build-essential |
| 20:05.43 | anarcat | bbrazil, i guess.. |
| 20:05.53 | StanTheMan | so, how to I enable by default when I get to the box's console tomorrow? |
| 20:05.54 | DarkJesus | apt-get install build-essential? |
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| 20:06.02 | JordiGH | vrms says I have 0.7% non-free packages. I wonder, how do I compare with y'all? |
| 20:06.03 | johnsu01 | Any suggestions for ssh forwarding nfs? I followed the steps in the nfs docs, but I get an error that the server is down when I try to mount it. |
| 20:06.08 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 20:06.17 | anarcat | so how's the Xorg weather in sid? |
| 20:06.22 | DarkJesus | rockstar_ : Awesome to the max |
| 20:06.24 | bbrazil | !ops GuL on-join spambot |
| 20:06.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: GuL on-join spambot |
| 20:06.29 | anarcat | i see that the "BEWARE UNSTABLE" mark is not there anymore :) |
| 20:06.30 | DarkJesus | I'll get on that |
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| 20:06.47 | rockstar_ | anarcat: Xorg isn't bad in sid, but go any further, and you're looking at 9.0, which was a pain... |
| 20:06.49 | JordiGH | By the way... |
| 20:06.51 | JordiGH | !info vrms |
| 20:06.53 | StanTheMan | shogunx: how do i fix iptables to allow external access, when i get to the console tomorrow? |
| 20:06.54 | rockstar_ | It's the reason I'm not on unstable anymore. |
| 20:06.58 | bbrazil | mentor: set unfiltered on if nessecary |
| 20:06.59 | dpkg | vrms: (virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.11 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 20:07.01 | rockstar_ | Can't get a fglrx package for it. |
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| 20:07.19 | anarcat | rockstar_, 9.0??? boy i'm late |
| 20:07.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.108.146.30] by mentor |
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| 20:07.25 | anarcat | thanks mentor |
| 20:07.32 | rockstar_ | anarcat: Correction, 7.0 |
| 20:07.35 | anarcat | he was there 2 days ago too |
| 20:07.40 | mentor | bbrazil: I'm always on unfiltered, as peons may need ot contact me. |
| 20:07.45 | mentor | :D |
| 20:07.56 | spoopin | StanTheMan: if you think it's an iptables problem, you can set your default policy to ACCEPT |
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| 20:08.01 | anarcat | rockstar_, i'm mostly worried about the transition from 6.x |
| 20:08.02 | onetinsoldier | i've got xorg installed for etch |
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| 20:08.34 | bbrazil | mentor: I like the default. It stops brazilians /msging me in portugese |
| 20:08.40 | rockstar_ | anarcat: I went from 6.8 to 6.9 fine, but 7.0 changes directory structure for fonts, etc... |
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| 20:08.49 | anarcat | rockstar_, yeah, i heard |
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| 20:09.26 | rockstar_ | anarcat: I'm a big fan of ATI, and like the fglrx driver (despite "tainting" the kernel) and I couldn't get it to work on 7.0 |
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| 20:10.18 | anarcat | rockstar_, i see |
| 20:10.22 | StanTheMan | spoopin: it's a 2nd problem now. In this troubleshooting process, I did "iptables -F" and locked myself out of the box... |
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| 20:10.29 | anarcat | rockstar_, i've got an "old" radeon 7200 |
| 20:10.39 | anarcat | rockstar_, it's pretty well supported, so i guess it will "just work" |
| 20:11.07 | protonchris | StanTheMan: you will want to use this: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 20:11.09 | DarkJesus | How advisable is it to switch to debian sid? |
| 20:11.15 | StanTheMan | spoopin: so i now need to know how to open everything, regarding filtering--i.e. restore iptables to a state that allows all |
| 20:11.34 | StanTheMan | protonchris: thanks |
| 20:12.03 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus: I use it and it's great. |
| 20:12.12 | DarkJesus | No problems? |
| 20:12.21 | protonchris | StanTheMan: I have locked myselg out before using -F and forgetting to change the policy :) |
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| 20:12.32 | rockstar_ | Packages are usually pretty well maintained. Unstable has problems all the time with the package maintenance though. |
| 20:12.34 | onetinsoldier | how do i can i change my resoultion for xorg(xorg.conf)? it seems to be defaulting to 640x480 even though i chose 1600x1200 when setting up the xserver |
| 20:12.48 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus: No problems at all. |
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| 20:13.05 | anarcat | ok |
| 20:13.08 | DarkJesus | I'm gonna switch then |
| 20:13.12 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier: nano /etc/X11/xorg.cong |
| 20:13.19 | rockstar_ | xorg.conf...sorry |
| 20:13.25 | DarkJesus | I'm one of those people that for some reason, likes new versions of apps |
| 20:13.31 | DarkJesus | Imagine that |
| 20:13.35 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: yeah.. i looked in there but i don't really know what to edit |
| 20:13.36 | DarkJesus | I must be crazy |
| 20:13.41 | StanTheMan | protonchris: so that's all i need to do in order to re-enable "outside world" access? "iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT"? |
| 20:13.50 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus: Me too, just don't go too far and install e17 from cvs... |
| 20:13.57 | JordiGH | This is strange. Any idea why scribus is free but scribus-doc is non-free? |
| 20:14.11 | JordiGH | ...according to vrms? |
| 20:14.19 | rockstar_ | JordiGH: No idea, but that's hilarious! |
| 20:14.19 | bbrazil | JordiGH: probably GFDL |
| 20:14.23 | ezech | god damn, is it so hard to make stupid floppy right? :/ |
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| 20:14.39 | ezech | tdk - 10 floppies, 1 dead, 9 left |
| 20:14.43 | rockstar_ | JordiGH: Sometimes docs are non-free because they aren't distributable with certain software. |
| 20:14.50 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: yip, and one for OUTPUT too |
| 20:15.05 | DarkJesus | rockstar_: Should I choose etch or sid? |
| 20:15.12 | JordiGH | rockstar_: I'm going to go look for the license. :) |
| 20:15.22 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: thanks. It may end up fixing the ftp issue also. Ya think? |
| 20:15.32 | protonchris | StanTheMan: yeah. |
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| 20:15.37 | Nuxi | Anybody know how to search/replace special characters in nano editior? |
| 20:15.37 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus: Choose sid. Etch gets a little hectic, especially if you're new. |
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| 20:15.41 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: no, there's something more to the problem |
| 20:15.47 | DarkJesus | OK, I'll get sid! |
| 20:15.51 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: did you look at the iptables.txt? http://www.hardwarefreak.com/iptables.txt |
| 20:16.00 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: yes, that's not the problem |
| 20:16.07 | StanTheMan | that's what i thought... |
| 20:16.09 | DarkJesus | rockstar_: Is it easy (do you want to open a new window) |
| 20:16.23 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: did you check the firewall on the 2k3 box? |
| 20:16.30 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus : What do you mean open a new window? |
| 20:16.31 | JordiGH | Looks like scribus-doc has the Open Publication License. |
| 20:16.31 | StanTheMan | I should have just installed proftpd as a fuckking daemon, then I'd not have had this problem.... |
| 20:16.33 | StanTheMan | damnit |
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| 20:17.09 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: it's a DC, so it's all open |
| 20:17.13 | JordiGH | Though parts of it are covered under the gfdl... |
| 20:17.22 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: have you checked? |
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| 20:18.06 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: it's all behind a PIX, and the level of skill of the staff leads me to believe they never would have locked it down manually. And, afaik, MS makes the default install allow everything |
| 20:18.08 | StanTheMan | no? |
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| 20:18.29 | onetinsoldier | uggh, how do i get back to an x-windows session that's running while currently in the console? |
| 20:18.33 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: not in my experiance. Don't guess, check it |
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| 20:18.43 | bbrazil | onetinsoldier: alt-f7 |
| 20:18.54 | onetinsoldier | ok... thanks bbrazil |
| 20:18.54 | DarkJesus | rockstar_: OK, is it easy to switch to sid? |
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| 20:19.13 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: so W2k3 actually locks down most ports by default? wow, that's abig change for M$ |
| 20:19.37 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: at least the images I was using did |
| 20:20.11 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus : Just does this: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and change everywhere where it says "stable" to "testing" |
| 20:20.32 | JordiGH | You mean, "sudo emacs ..." etc. |
| 20:20.35 | JordiGH | :) |
| 20:20.36 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus : Then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 20:20.42 | onetinsoldier | vi! |
| 20:20.49 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 20:20.51 | rockstar_ | JordiGH : Sorry... nano ships with Debian... |
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| 20:20.57 | bbrazil | actually, the correct debian answer is 'edit' |
| 20:21.01 | itc | is there a list somewhere with supportted raid controllers? I don't know which raid controller to buy, need raid5 |
| 20:21.05 | DarkJesus | rockstar_: Yeah, that's easy |
| 20:21.14 | bbrazil | itc: there's one on linuxmafia iirc |
| 20:21.18 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus : See, simple. |
| 20:21.23 | DarkJesus | Yep |
| 20:21.33 | itc | bbrazil where exacly? |
| 20:21.35 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus : Next you can do a 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit system and do the upgrade... |
| 20:21.41 | bbrazil | itc: you'll have to google it |
| 20:21.45 | DarkJesus | rockstar_: What? |
| 20:22.32 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: well, I'm RDP's into the W2K3 box, and made a reverse ftp connect to my ftp server here at home, and it works. So it's not a proble with the windows boxen |
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| 20:22.58 | JordiGH | rockstar_: nano ships with Debian, but sudo doesn't. |
| 20:22.59 | alfatau | hello, is it possible to set to change the color of ncurses' apps output? my screen has a trouble with yellow and it's impossible for me to read. (e.g. menuconfig for kernel configuration, and other dialogs) |
| 20:23.10 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: 'reverse ftp connect' ? |
| 20:23.14 | rockstar_ | JordiGH : touche! --:o) |
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| 20:23.34 | Blissex | alfatau: no, you cannot do that, but you can change the actual color a terminal will display for one of the 'curses' colors. |
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| 20:23.49 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: WORK: w2k3 boxen, debian problem box. HOME: ftp server |
| 20:23.51 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus : Nevermind -- That's what I'm doing right now, and it's working for the most part. |
| 20:23.59 | alfatau | Blissex: seems what i need... how to? |
| 20:24.00 | StanTheMan | bbrazil "reverse" |
| 20:24.08 | DarkJesus | rockstar_: OK, cool |
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| 20:24.19 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: see? |
| 20:24.21 | onetinsoldier | is there anything setting like ClearType for ms windows in linux? |
| 20:24.23 | trenka | is it possible to change email for debian lists or only unsubscribe/subscribe ? |
| 20:24.42 | alfatau | Blissex: or, what's the right man page for reading about it? |
| 20:24.54 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: not what I'd use reverse for. still doesn't fully remove firewall issues. |
| 20:24.59 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: i tested the OUTBOUND ability of the W2K3 box by coming back out of the WORK network to my HOME FTP server |
| 20:25.00 | JordiGH | Hey, can someone recommend a cron tut? I want to know if I can schedule a cronjob as a regular user on a remote machine. I want it to download Debian cds at night when lan traffic is low. :) |
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| 20:25.18 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: there could still be restritions within the work network |
| 20:25.36 | JordiGH | StanTheMan sounds like Zippy the Pinhead. |
| 20:25.41 | rockstar_ | JordiGH : check out http://www.tldp.org They have a pretty good one. |
| 20:26.03 | Blissex | alfatau: there are two possible ways: most virtual terminal emulators ('xterm' etc.) have a config file that allows you to specific the real colors for the basic colors. Or the virtual terminal emulator may have escapes that allow you do that, or a command that allows you to do that. |
| 20:26.07 | JordiGH | emacs & |
| 20:26.23 | JordiGH | Oy, wrong window, etc. |
| 20:26.31 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: you told me to test whether the W2K3 box was firewalling an outbound FT connection, so we would know if that was the problem with connecting to the INTERNAL debian ftp box. Remember? so, I tested the outbound fto of the W2K3 box, and it works. Thus, the ORIGINAL problem is NOT any kind of firewalling locally on the W2K3 box. |
| 20:26.42 | JordiGH | WHOA!! Ken and Barbie are having TOO MUCH FUN!! It must |
| 20:26.43 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.52 | Blissex | alfatau: or you can extract, edit and reinsert the 'terminfo' entry for that terminal type. |
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| 20:27.13 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: I never asked you to do that. I asked you to check is there was a firewall on the 2k3 box, which is different |
| 20:27.27 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: Debian FTP box IP: 10.10.10.16 W2K3 box IP: 10.10.10.45. Same subnet, no packet filtering between the two hosts. |
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| 20:28.02 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: actually, that isn't sufficent to determine that they are the same subnet. Also: bridges, arp-cache poisoning and vlans |
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| 20:28.18 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: define "check for firewall on W2K3 box" are you talking about windows port filtering? I mean, WTF, it's a plain jane W2K3 install.... |
| 20:28.21 | JordiGH | Also, a somewhat related question. Suppose I have a network of Debian machines. For some reason, some day I decide that they all need to apt-get some piece of software. Can I make them all read the same crontab file which I only need to modify once in a server somewhere? |
| 20:28.28 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: yes, that's what I mean |
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| 20:29.02 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: it's clean. No firewall software is installed on any of the internal boxen at the site. |
| 20:29.05 | bbrazil | JordiGH: rdist |
| 20:29.05 | alfatau | Blissex: thank you very much |
| 20:29.11 | no0ke | is it possible to install xgl? |
| 20:29.17 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, does somebody uses Remote Desktop? |
| 20:29.22 | abrotman | !XGL |
| 20:29.22 | dpkg | i heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 20:29.24 | Blissex | no0ke: leave it alone.... |
| 20:29.37 | tech | "advanced tools for wasting time"-speech @ debconf http://avatar.tnet.no:8000/tower.ogg :) |
| 20:29.38 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: I'm pretty sure the windows firewall is part of the default install |
| 20:29.43 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: ask a better questino |
| 20:29.53 | DarkJesus | questino! |
| 20:29.58 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: you've kind of lost me. You're missing something I think. |
| 20:30.00 | no0ke | Blissex: ? |
| 20:30.00 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, I want to know how to kick clients using remote desktop |
| 20:30.02 | JordiGH | Thanks, bbrazil. |
| 20:30.08 | no0ke | !xgl-howto |
| 20:30.08 | dpkg | somebody said xgl-howto was xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 20:30.10 | Blissex | alfatau: thanks for the appreciation.. I have changed the default colors here for 'xterm' and 'rxvt' vix 'Xresources' to make those colors a bit nearer those of the main console. |
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| 20:30.51 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: on a windows server? |
| 20:31.08 | no0ke | Blissex: what do you mean leave it alone? |
| 20:31.23 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, I'm in debian... my clients are linux and windows |
| 20:31.31 | Blissex | no0ke: it means that installing XGL is likely to screw things up for no good reason... |
| 20:31.46 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: the original problem: can't connect to FTP server on debian. Testing FTP server with W2K3 box CLIENT FTP in a command shell/DOS shell, wtf ever you want to call it. The W2K3 box has no problem connecting its FTP CLIENT to ANY OTHER FTP SERVER on the planet. So, it's not a problem with any kind of firewalling on the windows box. How do you think otherwise? |
| 20:32.22 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: that doesn;t show that it isn't a firewall problem. There could be a rule preventing access to just the debian server |
| 20:32.41 | alfatau | Blissex: well, for example, if i would use a simple black-and-white schema, what could i do? |
| 20:32.48 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: but it's a windows question .. about windows RDP server |
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| 20:33.21 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: are you assuming I am ignorant of my own network setup (excluding the problem with the Debian box of course)?? |
| 20:33.25 | n1tr0us | My linux installation froze |
| 20:33.35 | Blissex | alfatau: well, most terminal types in 'terminfo' have both a BW only and color entry; some virtual terminals also have options to run only in BW. |
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| 20:33.50 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, I dont think so... The server is Debian.... I want to know how to kick Pc's connected to my Debian |
| 20:33.53 | no0ke | when is gon be available for debian? |
| 20:34.08 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: i have a farm of 18 servers to test that Debian box from. All of them can hit it by ssh or http. The problem was/is LOCAL to the debian box. |
| 20:34.14 | alfatau | Blissex: ok, i'm going to try. thank you again |
| 20:34.24 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: yes. When up against a weird problem it's best to check everything |
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| 20:34.34 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: they *could* anyway, till i smacked it with iptables -F |
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| 20:34.39 | n1tr0us | When i tried to install Ubuntu it froze at the installation screen |
| 20:34.48 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: also, ftp is *very* differnt from a networking perspective to ssh |
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| 20:35.11 | valdyn | !ftp |
| 20:35.11 | dpkg | hmm... ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 20:35.16 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 20:35.16 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 20:35.31 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: all of the other servers can FTP to one another. This debian box is the only one that won't accept an FTP connection |
| 20:35.33 | JordiGH | How can I know if my sysadmin has setup disk quotas for me? |
| 20:35.49 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: wait, can you connect to the ftp port? |
| 20:35.54 | bbrazil | JordiGH: quota -v |
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| 20:35.59 | valdyn | StanTheMan: iptables -L on that debian box shows nothing? |
| 20:36.00 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
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| 20:36.04 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.06 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.08 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.14 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.14 | bbrazil | !ops n1tr0us |
| 20:36.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: n1tr0us |
| 20:36.16 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.18 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: connect to the FTP port on what box? |
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| 20:36.20 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.22 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.24 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
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| 20:36.31 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: the debian one |
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| 20:36.35 | Kinks | well he solved that problem for us... |
| 20:36.37 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.38 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
| 20:36.39 | n1tr0us | LINUX IS STUPID EVERYONE USE WINDOWS |
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| 20:36.44 | kbrooks | have these tags: "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}" been deprecated? |
| 20:36.57 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: as in before you messed with the firewall |
| 20:36.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ool-4573ea02.dyn.optonline.net] by mentor |
| 20:37.01 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: I can't hit that box at all now. Did you forget that we killed it when we dumped iptables? |
| 20:37.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!?=ankor92@*] by mentor |
| 20:37.11 | JordiGH | I wonder why he didn't suggest that we use HURD instead. :) |
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| 20:37.20 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: no, that was the original problem. |
| 20:37.40 | kbrooks | mentor: do you think that was a bot? |
| 20:37.43 | JordiGH | Hm, well, says here: none. |
| 20:37.53 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: aah. You indicated that PUT and LS didn't work, so I assumed that the control channel was working |
| 20:37.54 | mentor | kbrooks: why? |
| 20:37.59 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: the problem with ftp is local to the debian box. there is no doubt about that. I knew that before coming into #debian today |
| 20:38.21 | JordiGH | K... next question... will wget attempt to write /tmp? Because there's not enough space on the disk where /tmp is, but there's enough in /home. |
| 20:38.25 | valdyn | StanTheMan: why would dumping iptables kill that box? |
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| 20:38.38 | bbrazil | JordiGH: it doesn't |
| 20:38.47 | bbrazil | valdyn: default policy was DROP |
| 20:38.49 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: no, put and ls didn't work from a single host inside the work network to my home FTP server. All the rest of the servers did work. |
| 20:39.02 | valdyn | bbrazil: then why is he surprised that FTP doesnt work? |
| 20:39.11 | bbrazil | valdyn: the problem existed before that |
| 20:39.23 | valdyn | bbrazil: before the policy was DROP? |
| 20:39.28 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: the box that wouldn't put/ls was the debian box that we're working on. |
| 20:39.33 | bbrazil | valdyn: no, before he flushed the tables |
| 20:39.38 | JordiGH | Thanks again, bbrazil. Now, if my calculations are correct, by tomorrow morning I should have a shiny new Debian install dvd. Hehehe... oh, the power. >:) |
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| 20:40.07 | valdyn | StanTheMan: you should read the ftp must die URL, you cant really be surprised that FTP doesnt work if you firewall DROPs by default |
| 20:40.08 | kbrooks | mentor: why what? |
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| 20:40.17 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: so a connection from the debian box to itself couldn't put/ls? |
| 20:40.39 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: no, that did work |
| 20:41.18 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: so other systems on the subnet couldn't connect at all, or could connect but not put/ls? |
| 20:41.26 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: that's why i think it was a firewalling issue local to the deb box |
| 20:41.36 | valdyn | StanTheMan: it was |
| 20:41.37 | JordiGH | !sftp |
| 20:41.37 | dpkg | i guess sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". |
| 20:41.37 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: your firewall was fine |
| 20:41.48 | kbrooks | Have these tags: "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}" been deprecated? |
| 20:42.07 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: connection would time out for remote hosts initiating to it |
| 20:42.27 | kbrooks | Have these tags: "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}" been deprecated? |
| 20:42.33 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: so it must have been inetd then? |
| 20:42.45 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: now we're getting there. Did someone have you run iptables commands other than the -F ? |
| 20:43.05 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: but why then would it have a problem with OTBOUND ftp from the box? |
| 20:43.35 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: no, just -L to see the curent table |
| 20:43.35 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: if they couldn't connect to the ftp server, you can;t expect much else |
| 20:43.48 | JordiGH | Looks like Etch right now fits in 18 cds. And that's without sources? |
| 20:44.07 | valdyn | JordiGH: sounds right |
| 20:44.15 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: your rules are pretty odd then. The first accpet rule in INPUT looks like something you'd do to bypass a firewall |
| 20:44.19 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: www.hardwarefreak.com/iptables.txt is that correct for open access? |
| 20:44.25 | JordiGH | Another 18 cds for sources, probably more? |
| 20:44.27 | valdyn | JordiGH: uh, no, i think etch still fits on 2 dvds, that is less than 18 CDs |
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| 20:44.32 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: yes |
| 20:44.38 | JordiGH | valdyn: I think it's 3 dvds now. |
| 20:44.46 | Nuxi | How can I search for ^L in a file with nano? |
| 20:44.51 | valdyn | JordiGH: possible |
| 20:45.23 | valdyn | JordiGH: 18 just doesnt sound right though, it didnt grow that fast |
| 20:45.24 | bbrazil | Nuxi: hmm, try crtl-v crtl-l in the search function |
| 20:45.34 | mentor | kbrooks: why did you ask if I thought it was a bot? |
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| 20:45.50 | JordiGH | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/ |
| 20:45.55 | JordiGH | Count 'em, baby. 18. |
| 20:46.17 | JordiGH | I think they're gonna compile a new snapshot before I can download them all. :) |
| 20:46.17 | Nuxi | bbrazil, doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:46.19 | kbrooks | mentor: because it was spamming |
| 20:46.20 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: although that isn't full iptables output. You want iptables -vL for that |
| 20:46.25 | valdyn | JordiGH: uh, its really 18 |
| 20:46.43 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: which would make sense if the first input rule was only for lo |
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| 20:47.27 | mentor | kbrooks: ah. |
| 20:47.38 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: so, which port was inetd configured to let ftp run on? |
| 20:47.42 | JordiGH | Let's say it takes me 5 hours to download each. Hmm... 90 hours... Nope, I can't get them all in a week. :( |
| 20:47.47 | mentor | kbrooks: I think it's probably a little bit human |
| 20:47.55 | juggles | I am in gnome....how can I start ion3 in another virtual terminal for myself(My gf uses gnome)...I don't want to close her gnome session though. |
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| 20:48.24 | bbrazil | juggles: iirc startx :8 |
| 20:48.28 | valdyn | JordiGH: why would you bother? |
| 20:48.50 | juggles | bbrazil: nope, that doesn't work. |
| 20:49.05 | JordiGH | valdyn: Network connections around here are bad. I want to administer a network of Debian machines, and it would be more convenient to apt-get from cds than from the net. |
| 20:49.28 | bbrazil | JordiGH: apt-proxy, apt-mirror |
| 20:49.45 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: fuck it. As soon as I get access to the physical console, im fixing iptables, installing proftpd in daemon mode, and not wasting any more time on it. |
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| 20:49.54 | valdyn | JordiGH: see apt-proxy or approx |
| 20:50.09 | juggles | bbrazil: startx -- :1 |
| 20:50.11 | juggles | works |
| 20:50.21 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: unloess of course, something keeps that from working. |
| 20:50.22 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: I think it might be a firewall issue. In particular I think you aren't letting ftp connection on port 21 in |
| 20:50.35 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: thanks for all the help though. |
| 20:50.48 | JordiGH | Hm, I don't get it. I'd still need to update the proxy, right? |
| 20:50.53 | acetech | is anyone here good with modelines in xorg configurations? |
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| 20:51.14 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: if after that, you can connect but not use ls/put, modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 20:51.15 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: is that what the table says? i don't see that... |
| 20:51.26 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: it isn't shown |
| 20:51.28 | JordiGH | I.e. have one machine in my LAN get all Debian packages and keep them up to date. |
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| 20:51.46 | valdyn | JordiGH: it would only keep up to date what you try to install |
| 20:51.50 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: and you've destroyed the evidence by now anyway |
| 20:51.52 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: doesn't that table show ALLOW EVERYTHING? |
| 20:52.01 | valdyn | JordiGH: any other box using the same package would grab from proxy |
| 20:52.01 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: yes, but it doesn't say on which interfaces |
| 20:52.04 | JordiGH | valdyn: Ah, so I read. That does sound useful. |
| 20:52.13 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: should it? |
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| 20:52.22 | valdyn | JordiGH: so no traffic if you dont run apt-get install... |
| 20:52.23 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: if you give it a -v it will |
| 20:52.35 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: I've been bitten by it before |
| 20:53.05 | StanTheMan | brazil: will doing this iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT fix any issues with iptables? |
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| 20:53.20 | SeicherlBoB | hi there! i need to backup an NTFS-harddisk with knoppix, which is actually debian. how can i do that? |
| 20:53.22 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: you'll need a iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT also |
| 20:53.27 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: and allow connection to anything afterwards? |
| 20:53.32 | StanTheMan | k |
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| 20:53.57 | sid | !tell SeicherlBoB about knoppix |
| 20:53.58 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: you shouldn't need to touch anything else |
| 20:53.58 | ChrisAlt | hey..has anyone here got experienced which madwifi version works fine with wpa_supplicant ? |
| 20:54.00 | sid | SeicherlBoB: /join #knoppix |
| 20:54.13 | StanTheMan | bbazil: and the combination of those two will allow EVERYTHING IN and OUT? |
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| 20:54.13 | sid | ChrisAlt: /join #madwifi |
| 20:54.14 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: yip |
| 20:54.14 | ChrisAlt | sid, thanks. |
| 20:54.17 | JordiGH | SeicherlBoB: Knoppix isn't exactly Debian. But QTparted comes with Knoppix (under System from the K menu) and may prove useful. |
| 20:54.25 | sid | !knoppix |
| 20:54.25 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 20:54.29 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: these days, I'm not sure why inetd is used at all |
| 20:54.36 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: thx man. I'll give it a whirl tomorrow. |
| 20:54.48 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: no problem |
| 20:54.50 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: save memory resources maybe? |
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| 20:55.14 | SeicherlBoB | sid: there's nobody answering in the last 30 minutes. i know it's not exactly debian, but its derivated. can you help me with my issue? or do you know another tool i can start from a bootable CD to do the same? |
| 20:55.22 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: "these days", there's actually advantes to haveing everytinhg as its own daemon due to copy-on-write |
| 20:55.37 | kbrooks | !Based on Debian |
| 20:55.38 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 20:55.56 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: ahh... explain? |
| 20:56.12 | kbrooks | !Kanotix |
| 20:56.12 | dpkg | hmm... kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
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| 20:56.49 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: with inetd you need to fork+exec for each new connection. With daemon (depending on architecture) you either fork or add a few more data structures |
| 20:56.51 | JordiGH | actually, Knoppix usually mixes well with Debian, in my experience. The default /etc/apt/sources.list gives Debian sources, plus a few others. |
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| 20:58.18 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, another question could be, how do I know when somebody is connected to my pc by the remote desktop? |
| 20:58.31 | JordiGH | SeicherlBoB: It depends on what hardware you have available. gparted (you may need to apt-get it) has a few more options than qtparted. gparted, for example, gives you a front-end for copying partitions (all it really uses is dd, plus a few sanity checks before and after). |
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| 20:59.57 | plypkie | anyone know how to fix this X piroblem where it can't load xkbmaps? |
| 21:00.01 | SeicherlBoB | JordiGH: well, i got 1 hdd with 2 partitions, both ntfs. one has the windoze, the other is empty (now). so i'd like to copy the image of the first partition on the other one to back it up later |
| 21:00.07 | plypkie | $ setxkbmap dvorak |
| 21:00.08 | plypkie | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 21:00.24 | plypkie | my qwerty typing is horrid |
| 21:00.47 | tralala | plypkie: yeah, that's easily fixable by reading the manuals |
| 21:01.01 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: after those two iptables commands, does anything else need to be done to get the interfaces up? Does anything need to be done to make the iptables changes permanent? Does the kernel need to be restarted or anything? |
| 21:01.32 | plypkie | tralala: ha, thanks. it worked fine for months until yesterday |
| 21:01.34 | plypkie | :P |
| 21:01.59 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: no, that'll just work. You might need to do something to make it work after a reboot though |
| 21:02.15 | maxy | plypkie: I use xmodmap for changing keyboard layout... maybe this works for you too. |
| 21:02.17 | JordiGH | SeicherlBoB: Yeah, those are pretty basic operations. I recommend apt-getting gparted and using it as a front-end. Or read up on dd manpages and type out the commands yourself. |
| 21:02.19 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: like what? that would be critical. |
| 21:02.48 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: where every those firewall rules were created |
| 21:02.50 | SeicherlBoB | JordiGH: i did some dd for recovering files some time ago... think i'd stick to the gparted ;) |
| 21:02.52 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: *ever |
| 21:02.56 | tralala | plypkie: I've never used setxkbmap in such a way (like your example). However I know very well that it works when you use the right options. |
| 21:03.09 | StanTheMan | ummm... |
| 21:03.34 | JordiGH | SeicherlBoB: Modify the /etc/apt/source.list file, apt-get update, apt-get install gparted, and there you go. Most of the stuff in the default Knoppix sources.list is garbage you don't need. Just point it to one Debian source. |
| 21:03.38 | SeicherlBoB | JordiGH: how can i use the backup afterwards? is it a plain iso? |
| 21:03.44 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: hmmm...... can you elaborate? educated guess? |
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| 21:04.05 | SeicherlBoB | JordiGH: thanks, but i know that much about debian ;) |
| 21:04.05 | JordiGH | SeicherlBoB: gparted knows how to create an ntfs partition. It just does a low-level byte-by-byte copy. |
| 21:04.08 | bbrazil | StanTheMan: somewhere in /etc/init.d or /etc/network |
| 21:04.15 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 21:04.15 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 21:04.20 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: thanks |
| 21:04.34 | JordiGH | Later, lunch time. Good luck, SeicherlBoB. :) |
| 21:04.36 | interbird | Any VMware knowledgeable people here ? -- I can't get it to compile like it used to... |
| 21:04.38 | SeicherlBoB | JordiGH: so if it's byte by byte, its an iso |
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| 21:04.46 | plypkie | tralala: "If one or more non-option arguments are provided, the first is intepreted as a layout" |
| 21:05.09 | kbrooks | !games |
| 21:05.09 | dpkg | i heard games is Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or http://www.uniball-central.com, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames, or http://www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, or nethack, or freeciv, or dopewars |
| 21:05.11 | plypkie | like i said, worked for the past year until yesterday |
| 21:05.51 | tralala | plypkie: well, I think you need two things: 1) file a bugreport; 2) see the layout option |
| 21:06.31 | SeicherlBoB | ok, can anybody else tell me: if gparted runs dd, which works byte by byte to create an image of a partition, is the resulting file then an ISO? |
| 21:07.34 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: that's still a WINDOWS question |
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| 21:08.02 | tralala | !wayttd SeicherlBoB |
| 21:08.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, SeicherlBoB? |
| 21:08.17 | abrotman | he's trying to use knoppix |
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| 21:08.24 | SeicherlBoB | tralala: backing up my windoze from knoppix |
| 21:08.36 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, waaaaa, Ok I give up, What should I use to see my desktops win <---> linux ? |
| 21:09.04 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: that's up to you |
| 21:09.19 | SeicherlBoB | SonnyBurnett: run VNC-Server on win, use remotedesktop on linux (that's what i did |
| 21:09.28 | interbird | SeicherlBoB: That's going to be an image not an ISO |
| 21:09.49 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: so you ask in debian how to use knoppix in order to back up your windows? |
| 21:09.54 | tralala | !win SeicherlBoB |
| 21:09.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, SeicherlBoB! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 21:10.05 | SonnyBurnett | SeicherlBoB, I did it too, I just want to know how to kick clients in linux |
| 21:10.25 | SeicherlBoB | tralala: sorry, but in <knoppix> nobodys answering the last 40minutes |
| 21:10.51 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: that's actually not a knoppix specific question. You might try #linux as well. |
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| 21:11.12 | SeicherlBoB | tralala: or can you tell me about some cd-bootable tool to do that job? |
| 21:11.12 | klaasdc | tralala: what filesystem is your windows partition in? |
| 21:11.49 | ezech | ok, so here I am in middle of install, with install app failed |
| 21:12.02 | ezech | I have a partitioned harddrive, working network connection |
| 21:12.02 | SeicherlBoB | ezech: ouch |
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| 21:12.10 | StanTheMan | bbrazil: thanks again for all the help. I gotta jet for now. |
| 21:12.12 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: knoppix should do just fine, but if you have to ask, I'm not sure that you will be able to back it up correctly and to restore it (if needed) afterwards. |
| 21:12.15 | Ronin | how did it fail ezech? |
| 21:12.23 | interbird | SeicherlBoB: If you have enough diskspace you can mirror a partition using knoppix and dd -- be sure to enable DMA |
| 21:12.28 | tralala | klaasdc: I don't have any windows partitions. |
| 21:12.35 | ezech | Ronin: it asked for ftp server with debian install modules/plugs/something |
| 21:12.42 | klaasdc | sorry, i see i typed wrong username |
| 21:12.52 | SeicherlBoB | interbird: i got a second partition, 10times the first one. should be enough |
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| 21:13.01 | ezech | I didn't knew excactly which to load, selected some, and then when it was loading somethin fvm-kindof it failed |
| 21:13.33 | SeicherlBoB | interbird: so how would i use dd and how can i restore it later (i hope i don't need to) |
| 21:13.37 | ezech | and said "I'm exiting now, you can run failed module manualy" etc. |
| 21:14.03 | ezech | well, can I somehow prepare the basic system tree without installator? |
| 21:14.21 | interbird | SeicherlBoB: Create a linux-fs like ext2/3 on this partition... |
| 21:14.22 | ezech | (as in slackware I would manualy extract some packages into / " |
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| 21:14.41 | interbird | SeicherlBoB: This can be done with Knoppix |
| 21:14.57 | abrotman | how about #knoppix ? |
| 21:15.05 | SeicherlBoB | interbird :( well, maybe i wait till i get barts PE somewhere |
| 21:15.06 | klaasdc | :) |
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| 21:15.17 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: no answer for 40 minutes there |
| 21:15.26 | interbird | SeicherlBoB: Whatever you like |
| 21:15.29 | abrotman | not our problem .. you want to use knoppix . you get knoppix support |
| 21:15.35 | NorthItaly | how to mount a ntfs hdd ? |
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| 21:15.58 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 21:15.58 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 21:16.00 | DrPete | Do any of you use dhcp to config servers, or it is always static? |
| 21:16.04 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: hey, i know. nothing happing here is your problem, but you do help, don't you? |
| 21:16.04 | free_binary- | hello |
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| 21:16.12 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: do you just want to recover files from that windows disk? |
| 21:16.30 | interbird | mount -t ntfs /hdax /myntfs |
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| 21:16.36 | abrotman | SeicherlBoB: i try not to help people with non-debian questions asking in #debian .. especially when a channel for thier distro exists |
| 21:16.40 | CzarnyZajaczek | hello |
| 21:16.51 | NorthItaly | !ntfsro |
| 21:16.52 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 21:16.59 | CzarnyZajaczek | i have one little question |
| 21:17.18 | plypkie | tralala: it's a keymap problem. when i set Option "XkbLayout" "dvorak" then X gives an error and falls back to pre-XKB keymap. |
| 21:17.18 | interbird | like? |
| 21:17.21 | CzarnyZajaczek | I want to check, which processes uses some file |
| 21:17.24 | plypkie | so it wasn't me :P |
| 21:17.31 | interbird | lsof |
| 21:17.32 | abrotman | fuse or lsof |
| 21:17.32 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: but this goes more into a common linux-question aswell. sorry that i think in here are some of the best linux-guys i met the last year |
| 21:17.35 | abrotman | fuser |
| 21:17.54 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: no, i just installed it and now i'd like to backup that clean installation |
| 21:17.58 | abrotman | SeicherlBoB: i remember helping you before .. we just can't support every debian-based distro |
| 21:18.20 | NorthItaly | does exisi a simple way to mount an ntfs hdd? |
| 21:18.26 | ezech | debian-installer-startup ends with segfault |
| 21:18.29 | tralala | plypkie: if you are not running stable, then you've hit a bug |
| 21:18.33 | NorthItaly | does exist a simple way to mount an ntfs hdd? |
| 21:18.37 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: i know and i'm thankfull for that. but there is no need to tell me things like "not our problem, go there!" |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 21:19.06 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: anyway, let's don't discuss bout that, cause that's really OT ;) |
| 21:19.11 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: as a matter of fact it really isn't our problem. It's yours. |
| 21:19.19 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: you should use something like dd if=/dev/hdaX of=mybackupfile |
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| 21:19.53 | abrotman | SeicherlBoB: it's actually not OT .. |
| 21:19.58 | SeicherlBoB | tralala: i know, but i'm just asking for help ans as i mentioned above, i think you guys in here are some of the best i know |
| 21:19.59 | interbird | NorthItaly: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxy /ntfs -- where hdxy is the winpart and /ntfs is the existing mountpoint |
| 21:20.06 | _ericb | is there a way to see which process/PID use a port ? |
| 21:20.32 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: that would actually copy every byte to the outputfile? |
| 21:20.33 | mirak | hey |
| 21:20.37 | klaasdc | yes |
| 21:20.40 | petemc | _ericb: lsof -i :25 |
| 21:21.00 | ezech | is it possible to move on from failed install? |
| 21:21.03 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: and i can back it up the same way round again later? |
| 21:21.03 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: you've got an answer from klaasdc already, but I still think that you'll get into trouble with backing it up that way. |
| 21:21.04 | ezech | or reset is needed? |
| 21:21.10 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: you can restore the same way dd if=mybackupfile of=/dev/hdaX |
| 21:21.17 | NorthItaly | interbird: thank you |
| 21:21.25 | CzarnyZajaczek | hmmm... I have strange problem with SCSI drive |
| 21:21.27 | interbird | np |
| 21:21.41 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: did you do that before or is it just a thought of yours? |
| 21:21.55 | CzarnyZajaczek | it is home partition on /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:22.08 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: well, i restored my linux partitions with it |
| 21:22.21 | CzarnyZajaczek | fsck says its ok, but i cannot mount or umount it |
| 21:22.26 | SeicherlBoB | ok, so lets give it a try. |
| 21:22.59 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: you could test you image by mounting it as a loop device i think |
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| 21:23.04 | mirak | I am using pam_mount to mount at login a fuse mount with smbnetfs. actually this works, but the problem is that it's mounted under root, so I lost the possiblity to use per user config with ~/.smb/ . But with ~/.pam_mount.conf, I can try to mount as a user, but the problem is that mount can only be run by root. What solution is there ? |
| 21:23.10 | CzarnyZajaczek | it seems to be not mounted - in /home doestn appear anything |
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| 21:24.04 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: any ideas how to get an ntfs writeable? still possible not i guess |
| 21:24.15 | ezech | or maybe you know floppy installing / small distro with alsa-lib? |
| 21:24.37 | nzerox | hey guys |
| 21:24.59 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: the only possibility to safely write to ntfs is using the captive drivers (actually using the windows drivers) |
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| 21:25.10 | RvGaTe | my connection to the box is somehow capped at 3mb/s (local network) using ftp, samba or anything... this could be 12mb/s, how can i find out what's wrong... |
| 21:25.12 | nzerox | is it safe to build source packages from unstable under testing ? |
| 21:25.15 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: but i don't know if that is implemented in knoppix |
| 21:25.17 | interbird | CzarnyZajacek: Does mount -l say anything; or lsscsi ? does the drive show up in fdisk -l ? |
| 21:25.28 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: how can i find out? |
| 21:25.32 | backz | Hi, I'm using a utf-8 system with debian, but I'm trying to get some files for my windows machine. I use samba in my network with windows machines, and it converts filename for default charset of windows machines... but by ftp I can't convert. I'm using proftp... is possible to convert filename charset in a ftp transfer? |
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| 21:25.56 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: knoppix has captive support. It's in the menus. |
| 21:26.08 | CzarnyZajaczek | mount -l |
| 21:26.08 | CzarnyZajaczek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.21 | interbird | backz: There are lots of options in the Samba smb.conf file |
| 21:26.21 | CzarnyZajaczek | I've checked mtab before |
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| 21:26.24 | Wharf | Hi there. |
| 21:26.31 | Wharf | How can i get svn? |
| 21:26.35 | Wharf | Whats the apt command |
| 21:26.48 | tralala | Wharf: the package name is subversion |
| 21:26.50 | SeicherlBoB | man! just found qtparted! maybe that works |
| 21:26.52 | backz | interbird, samba is woking perfect... my problem is with FTP |
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| 21:27.49 | daft | how can i convert a cue file to an iso |
| 21:28.00 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: you cant backup with qtparted, it's meant for partitioning hdd's |
| 21:28.11 | daft | Or how can i Read (not burn) an cue file |
| 21:28.17 | interbird | backz: Dunno about ftp but dpkg-reconfigure locales lets you install additional languages and charsets |
| 21:28.31 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: just found out myself :( |
| 21:28.57 | CzarnyZajaczek | lsscsi says: [0:0:2:0] disk SEAGATE ST39102LW 8320 /dev/sdb |
| 21:28.59 | backz | interbird, how I see default charset? |
| 21:29.32 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: best option is to backup to a network drive/usb-hdd/... |
| 21:29.53 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: well.... yes, i am an idiot |
| 21:30.04 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: you don't know about partitioning, you don't know about backup, you want to backup a windows system (which is difficult enough). You're simply asking for troubles. I strongly recommend you hire someone to backup your data if there is anything really important there. |
| 21:30.36 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: I think tralala's right :) |
| 21:30.43 | SeicherlBoB | tralala: there's always a first time... sometimes i feel like an all-time-virgin |
| 21:30.59 | SeicherlBoB | i gotta lern someday |
| 21:31.21 | tralala | SeicherlBoB: there is nothing wrong with doing it yourself as long as you don't really care about the data. |
| 21:31.27 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: if you really want to be sure, you could also use some commercial app like Norton Ghost |
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| 21:32.00 | chungaroo | i'm having trouble changing my screen resolution. i'm running sarge with gnome and the highest option is 800x600 |
| 21:32.05 | interbird | backz: Dunno by heart but if you run dpkg-reconfigure locales you see what locales are installed and install additional ones, including charsets depending on the language (like euro for nl) |
| 21:32.05 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: i used to do it with an old "Barts Win PE" having a bootable imaging-software on it aswell... but i lost it. |
| 21:32.23 | tralala | !drxx chungaroo |
| 21:32.24 | dpkg | chungaroo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:33.23 | backz | interbird, I've both charsets, it is running perfect... Samba convert it when I try to get files by SMB. but by FTP the filenames come in UTF-8... |
| 21:33.26 | abrotman | usoing vesa ? |
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| 21:35.08 | interbird | backz: That's probably because your system uses UTF-8 as the default. |
| 21:35.24 | backz | interbird, yes, I'm using |
| 21:35.30 | interbird | backz: What language do you use for your system ? |
| 21:35.36 | JordiGH | Whoa. I can't believe dpkg doesn't know about Wesnoth in its games recommendations. |
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| 21:36.06 | backz | interbird, pt_BR.UTF-8 UTF-8 default and pt_BR ISO-8859-1 |
| 21:36.35 | interbird | backz: Sorry, what is pt ? |
| 21:37.05 | JordiGH | SeicherlBoB: Did you get your question answered? gparted creates an ntfs partition and then uses dd to copy data. |
| 21:37.15 | interbird | backz: Portugese ? |
| 21:37.17 | backz | interbird, Portuguese, Brazillian |
| 21:37.22 | backz | yah |
| 21:37.45 | plypkie | tralala: in case you're at all curious, keymaps now load again after i use gdm. must be somethnig weird in 'startx'. and my setxkbmap syntax was just fine. |
| 21:37.54 | nzerox | is the synaptics driver broken in sarge ? |
| 21:38.12 | SeicherlBoB | JordiGH: thanks, i wasn't able to install cause of that sh.... knoppix. i now use dd to a remote machine |
| 21:38.22 | chungaroo | i ran the reconfigure but i still can't seem to change the resolution |
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| 21:38.35 | interbird | backz: See if there is a locale for Portugese unicode, also remember ftp is an old app and probably doesn't observe system language settings |
| 21:38.57 | thingfish | chungaroo: what video card do you use? |
| 21:39.12 | interbird | backz: I would google on ftp unicode support to get more info... |
| 21:39.29 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: so how did you say would i be able to check that dd-file? |
| 21:39.32 | chungaroo | thingfish, it's integrated into my laptop |
| 21:39.34 | backz | interbird, if I change charset of system, It will not do any action, because filenames arenamed with utf-8 chars |
| 21:39.40 | CzarnyZajaczek | mount -f /home - and now it works :) |
| 21:39.47 | CzarnyZajaczek | thanks for all |
| 21:39.54 | thingfish | chungaroo: do you know if it's nvidia, or ati? |
| 21:40.00 | tralala | chungaroo: did you select a higher resolution there? |
| 21:40.08 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: you have to mount it as a loop device (like you mount an image under windows) |
| 21:40.38 | chungaroo | tralala, yeah when i reconfigured. but when i go to gnome's screen resolution setting 800x600 is still the highest |
| 21:40.38 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: ok, i'll check that when it's finished. thanks |
| 21:40.55 | chungaroo | thingfish, this is a pretty old laptop...it's sis or something |
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| 21:41.24 | interbird | backz: I gues there are three areas: the file-system, the application and the global-settings -- if you can use unicode on your fs than maybe ftp can be made to recognize it |
| 21:42.02 | backz | interbird, I think I'm using utf-8 on filesystem... |
| 21:42.12 | tralala | chungaroo: do you know for certain that it is able to handle higher resolution? |
| 21:42.20 | MikeAngelo | hello all, anybody with experince with damn small linux ? |
| 21:42.30 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: i think the command is mount -t loop myimagefile.img /mnt/somedirectory .If someone could confirm :) |
| 21:42.31 | chungaroo | tralala, i'm positive |
| 21:42.37 | MikeAngelo | can it be upgraded to 2.6.x kernel? |
| 21:42.42 | EdLin | MikeAngelo: it's not Debian |
| 21:43.06 | EdLin | MikeAngelo: Debian runs either 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 21:43.28 | tralala | chungaroo: you might want to check the reason in the logs |
| 21:43.31 | MikeAngelo | @Edlin , it is debian |
| 21:43.32 | ravenbird | MikeAngelo: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:43.38 | MikeAngelo | 2.4 by default |
| 21:43.41 | interbird | backz: I dunno, it seems to me you have to make ftp aware of UTF-8 -- maybe by recompiling -- dunno... |
| 21:43.45 | chungaroo | tralala, =\ how do i check logs? |
| 21:43.59 | EdLin | MikeAngelo: no, DSL is *not* Debian |
| 21:44.06 | EdLin | !Damn Small Linux |
| 21:44.22 | EdLin | heh |
| 21:44.22 | chungaroo | lol |
| 21:44.35 | MikeAngelo | ok, now please explain why debian based distro is not debian? |
| 21:44.45 | EdLin | !debian based |
| 21:44.46 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 21:44.50 | chungaroo | haha |
| 21:44.56 | EdLin | (this should work this time) |
| 21:45.02 | thingfish | MikeAngelo: mandriva is based on rpm. does that mean it's fedora? |
| 21:45.18 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: you should check this out: http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/linux_loopback.html |
| 21:45.19 | Shadowcat | thingfish: YES YES YES |
| 21:45.29 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 21:45.44 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: thanks man, that's more help than i asked for ;) |
| 21:45.45 | thingfish | you wouldn't even go to #fedora for #centos help. |
| 21:45.46 | tralala | chungaroo: /var/log/Xfree86.0.log if you run sarge |
| 21:45.53 | interbird | Has anyone tried Reiser4 ? |
| 21:45.54 | thingfish | hehe Shadowcat |
| 21:45.55 | klaasdc | SeicherIBob: np :) |
| 21:45.58 | gteppel | I'm trying to setup my laser printer using lpadmin, what is the command that lists the URI for printers? |
| 21:46.06 | Shadowcat | I use reiser4 |
| 21:46.08 | chungaroo | oh i have a motorola phone w/ a usb port. is there any way to have it connect w/ my computer? |
| 21:46.10 | gteppel | usb://Printer/etc... |
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| 21:46.32 | interbird | Is there a way to get acl's and ea's working under Reiser4 ? |
| 21:46.38 | tralala | chungaroo: I can think of a way - by using an usb cable |
| 21:46.43 | chungaroo | i mean... |
| 21:46.45 | chungaroo | you know |
| 21:46.46 | chungaroo | like |
| 21:46.53 | Shadowcat | !tell chungaroo about enter |
| 21:47.25 | chungaroo | sorry, for being vague..and using enter as punctuation..what i meant to ask was, is there anyway to browse it with my computer through usb |
| 21:48.00 | chungaroo | i can see that it's connected when i use lsusb |
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| 21:48.00 | softwork_ | in phpmyadmin i see João |
| 21:48.03 | softwork_ | problem is? |
| 21:48.05 | softwork_ | in phpmyadmin i see João |
| 21:48.06 | softwork_ | problem is? |
| 21:48.15 | softwork_ | i insert João |
| 21:48.20 | Shadowcat | !tell softwork_ about enter |
| 21:48.23 | tralala | !tell softwork_ -about repeat |
| 21:48.29 | softwork_ | i see João in phpmyadmin |
| 21:48.34 | klaasdc | lol |
| 21:48.38 | chungaroo | !tell chungaroo about repeat |
| 21:48.42 | daft | tell ops about kicking |
| 21:48.44 | Shadowcat | wonderful, and he doesn't speak English |
| 21:48.48 | softwork_ | ok |
| 21:49.29 | tralala | chungaroo: if you want to ask the bot use /msg |
| 21:49.46 | MikeAngelo | ok, question about netinst of testing, why there is not pcmcia support for 2.6 (default) kernel? |
| 21:50.01 | tralala | chungaroo: if you want to know what software is available in debian use search |
| 21:50.04 | daft | chungaroo you say you want to browse trough the stuff on your phone with your desktop |
| 21:50.12 | Shadowcat | because pcmcia is in 2.6 |
| 21:50.37 | chungaroo | daft, yes, but first i think i have to mount it, but i'm not sure how. i've run through some tutorial but none have been very successful |
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| 21:50.51 | chungaroo | search |
| 21:52.21 | MikeAngelo | @shadow, what do u mean, pcmcia is in 2.6 ? netinst with 2.6 kernel does not recognise the pcmcia net adapter |
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| 21:52.43 | EdLin | !u |
| 21:52.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:52.59 | gteppel | How do I get a USB printers URI?? |
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| 21:54.01 | daft | chungaroo eumm I use bluetooth for that "apt-cache search motorola" gives kmobiletools try that out. If you havnt done already. |
| 21:54.41 | chungaroo | daft, but my computer doesn't have bluetooth. i'll check out kmobiletools. thanks! |
| 21:54.51 | SeicherlBoB | klaasdc: your loopback mount looks good. on the site you mentioned it's "mount -o loop -t ext3 /nebula/test.image /mnt" :) we'll see if mine works |
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| 21:55.41 | nzerox | hey is the synaptics touchpad driver broken in sarge? |
| 21:55.42 | SeicherlBoB | thanks for the help everybody! have a nice day/evening/night! |
| 21:55.57 | nzerox | i mean testing sorry |
| 21:56.07 | sid | !bye SeicherlBoB |
| 21:56.08 | dpkg | Cya, SeicherlBoB |
| 21:56.08 | MikeAngelo | anybody who has used debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and managed to get pcmcia eth card working ? |
| 21:56.18 | sid | MikeAngelo: I have. |
| 21:56.23 | SeicherlBoB | sid: lol ;) bye! |
| 21:56.28 | sid | MikeAngelo: wireless or wired? |
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| 21:56.32 | MikeAngelo | wired |
| 21:56.43 | Le_Vert | do you know if a nfsroot of the debian installer for i386 is available somewhere ? |
| 21:56.47 | wireddd | what |
| 21:56.47 | sid | yea, that _just works_ out of the box for me on netinstalls |
| 21:56.49 | MikeAngelo | with the 2.4 netinst works fine |
| 21:56.53 | MikeAngelo | but not 2.6 |
| 21:57.07 | sid | MikeAngelo: no idea |
| 21:57.13 | sid | !tell MikeAngelo about bts |
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| 21:57.27 | sid | MikeAngelo: Check to see if your bug already exists, if not report it. |
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| 21:58.03 | MikeAngelo | where to check ? |
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| 22:04.03 | MikeAngelo | @all, thanks for the help, no solution yet but will keep on looking for it still...bye |
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| 22:05.20 | daft | btw now becose there isnt mutch chatting do some of you guys sail at sea becose Im missing a general linux @ sea site |
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| 22:05.39 | DarkJesus | I'm not getting an internet connection anymore |
| 22:05.53 | nzerox | can someone help me with using apt-src ? |
| 22:06.06 | DarkJesus | I had one after the installation and I'm using the same setup now |
| 22:06.13 | stoned | jesus was white,jew, not dark/black |
| 22:06.18 | stoned | :( |
| 22:06.20 | Taa5i | Heya. I just installed Debian onto a laptop with the phoenixBios suspend capability, but to use lphdisk it requires a primary partition of type a0, I already have 4 primary partitions on my hdd [boot, swap, root, and home]. Is there a way around this? fdisk won't let me set up an extended partition. |
| 22:07.06 | DarkJesus | Jesus was black! |
| 22:07.09 | DarkJesus | Anyway, any help? |
| 22:07.27 | stoned | you should help yourself better than anyone here can help you |
| 22:07.31 | stoned | Mr. Demigod |
| 22:07.32 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:07.43 | DarkJesus | Come on |
| 22:07.50 | DarkJesus | Just help me out |
| 22:07.51 | stoned | im just playing man |
| 22:07.53 | stoned | lol |
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| 22:08.14 | stoned | I just came to channel, I dunno what you need |
| 22:08.16 | daft | Taa5i eummm cant you use your swap disk for suspend? |
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| 22:08.45 | DarkJesus | I don't have an internet connection, even though I did after install and I'm using the same setup |
| 22:08.59 | stoned | DarkCow, what sort of isp |
| 22:09.08 | stoned | DarkJesus, cable/dsl/dialup? |
| 22:09.24 | DarkJesus | cable |
| 22:09.32 | Shadowcat | sigh |
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| 22:09.39 | stoned | shouldn't be a problem. Do you know your cable companys DNS server, primary and secondary? |
| 22:09.41 | Shadowcat | DarkJesus: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:09.53 | DarkJesus | I can connect on both zenwalk and windows without chancging anything |
| 22:09.56 | Shadowcat | you'll realize what you need to do in there |
| 22:10.01 | DarkJesus | I'll try that out shadowcat |
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| 22:10.35 | stoned | DarkJesus, if you know anythign about basic tcpip and networking, interfaces should be self explanatory |
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| 22:10.36 | daft | Shadowcat, DarkJesus isnt it just running the program pppoeconf |
| 22:10.59 | Shadowcat | no it's about the etch beta 2 installer not adding eth0 to auto up |
| 22:11.02 | stoned | daft, there is no point to piont protocol over ethernet |
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| 22:11.18 | stoned | in cable modems afaik |
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| 22:11.46 | daft | stoned: i have a ppp0 for my cable connection |
| 22:12.16 | DarkJesus | OK, I did what you told me to, Shadowcat, but I'm still clueless |
| 22:12.39 | Taa5i | daft: the hardware bios suspend at least looks for partition of type a0 which the swap can't be and swap. |
| 22:12.40 | Shadowcat | look at the syntax in the document |
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| 22:12.53 | stoned | DarkJesus, in /etc/network/interfaces, change the gateway to the router of ip, dns server to the router of ip, make it dhcp not static |
| 22:12.55 | Shadowcat | and for the two people talking about suspend |
| 22:13.00 | Shadowcat | www.suspend2.net, start reading |
| 22:13.13 | stoned | ip of router* |
| 22:13.17 | stoned | good lord I should cut back on toking |
| 22:13.36 | Shadowcat | stoned, no all he needs to do is put auto eth0 or whatever interface he was using before |
| 22:13.37 | SeicherlBoB | hi there, me again. when imaging a partition with dd, it terminated after a while saying that the maximum filesize was reached... how can i fix that? |
| 22:13.37 | nzerox | is it safe for me to build unstable sources packages on my testing system ? |
| 22:13.38 | stoned | supposing you've got a router |
| 22:13.55 | stoned | Shadowcat, you handle it, I shall pack a bowl |
| 22:13.55 | DarkJesus | It says iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:13.56 | stoned | :) |
| 22:14.13 | Shadowcat | so add auto eth0 to the line above that |
| 22:14.19 | DarkJesus | OK |
| 22:14.24 | DarkJesus | Will I need to reboot? |
| 22:14.26 | stoned | no |
| 22:14.35 | sid | nzerox: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:14.37 | stoned | as root ifup eth9 |
| 22:14.43 | stoned | ifup eth0 |
| 22:14.50 | nzerox | sid, hi, i want to build some packages from source |
| 22:14.50 | sid | eth9 jeez |
| 22:14.51 | sid | heh |
| 22:14.54 | stoned | lol |
| 22:14.56 | stoned | typo man |
| 22:15.00 | sid | nzerox: Which ones? |
| 22:15.05 | nzerox | sid, say for packages that are not available on testing, like nvu |
| 22:15.05 | Taa5i | Shadowcat: I'd kind of like to get the hardware suspend working, given that it comes with it being an older laptop. Seems superfluous to ignore that and use software. |
| 22:15.11 | DarkJesus | "No such device" |
| 22:15.28 | daft | DarkJesus /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:15.28 | sid | nzerox: Just change your sources.list to unstable... apt-get update && apt-get install nvu; then change your sources back to testing |
| 22:15.33 | Shadowcat | Taa5i: I know software suspend, as for the propreitary hardware suspend, well I can't help you |
| 22:15.46 | stoned | nvu is evil, if you need good web dev software check out Quanta & Bluefish |
| 22:15.48 | Shadowcat | proprietary* |
| 22:16.04 | stoned | nvu writes really dirty code |
| 22:16.12 | Taa5i | Shadowcat: The question was more about whether it was possible to setup the suspend partition when I already had 4 primary partitions. |
| 22:16.14 | nzerox | stoned, i've got bluefish installed, but it doesnt seem to have a visual editor |
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| 22:16.26 | stoned | nzerox, visual editors are a huge crutch |
| 22:16.27 | Shadowcat | Taa5i: no, repartition |
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| 22:16.49 | sid | nzerox: cp /etc/apt/sources.list /tmp/sources.list.bak; echo "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install nvu; rm /etc/apt/sources.list; cp /tmp/sources.list.tmp /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; |
| 22:16.54 | sid | nzerox: And you're done. |
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| 22:17.47 | nzerox | sid, ok cool i can do that, but i was just wondering if it was ok if i just left the deb-src source as unstable |
| 22:17.49 | Taa5i | Shadowcat: Is it worth having a seperate partition for boot, or could I merge that with root to free up a slot? |
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| 22:18.07 | stoned | I have a 100mb /boot |
| 22:18.08 | stoned | always |
| 22:18.12 | Shadowcat | Taa5i: don't you know anything about extended partitions? |
| 22:18.27 | sid | nzerox: I guess if you want to do that. |
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| 22:18.42 | nzerox | then if i cant find something in testing i can apt-src install <foo> and then build it |
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| 22:19.11 | nzerox | but was wondering if i could break the system like that, and i dont want to mess my system up |
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| 22:19.34 | solemnwarning | Why is there no proxytunnel package? |
| 22:19.35 | stoned | mixing packages from multiple distributions is not a good idea |
| 22:19.49 | stoned | !tell nzerox about backport |
| 22:20.10 | nzerox | stoned, thats what i was thinking, so isnt it better if i built the sourced from unstale to testing ? |
| 22:20.16 | stoned | yes |
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| 22:20.30 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 22:20.40 | nzerox | ok cool, i'll do that |
| 22:21.18 | sid | solemnwarning: Because proxy tunnel sucks? |
| 22:21.19 | nzerox | stoned, if i change the deb-src to unstable, should i change the deb-src for the security one to unstable as well ? |
| 22:21.25 | stoned | nzerox, check backports.org first. then /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 22:21.28 | anarcat | hum |
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| 22:21.40 | anarcat | the debian wiki would sure need better hardware |
| 22:21.50 | nzerox | stoned, thanks |
| 22:21.57 | anarcat | or fastcgi |
| 22:21.58 | anarcat | or something |
| 22:22.00 | stoned | I've got a few spare machines, if you pay the shipping i'll donate :) |
| 22:22.02 | sid | solemnwarning: I would imagine anyone who is at the level where they can package a software...and include it in debian...is also at the level to tell whether a package is shitty or not. Or whether other packages exceed said package. |
| 22:22.59 | stoned | nzerox, do you the differences between unstable and testing? |
| 22:23.01 | DarkJesus | I still don't have a connection |
| 22:23.08 | DarkJesus | This doesn't make sense |
| 22:23.12 | DarkJesus | I used to |
| 22:23.20 | DarkJesus | I only installed debian yesterday |
| 22:23.29 | nzerox | stoned, not 100% |
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| 22:23.37 | DarkJesus | Yesterday I had a connection, today I don't |
| 22:23.41 | stoned | DarkJesus, paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf on pastebin or something |
| 22:23.53 | DarkJesus | No connection... |
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| 22:24.02 | DarkJesus | What bits do you want? |
| 22:24.03 | stoned | nzerox, I think about 2 weeks |
| 22:24.13 | nzerox | stoned, unstable is bleeding edge, and testing is packages that are awaiting to be added stable right ? |
| 22:24.20 | stoned | DarkJesus, they are not big files, post all of both |
| 22:24.40 | stoned | nzerox, unstable is for developers and testers |
| 22:24.41 | DarkJesus | I don't have any connection on the laptop running debian |
| 22:24.58 | DarkJesus | Therefore, I can't post them on any page |
| 22:25.41 | nzerox | stoned, cool, i know theres more software in sid then sarge and etch |
| 22:26.30 | nzerox | stoned, at the moment i just want to try nvu, and the best way seems to backport it from sid, then i can manage it via apt |
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| 22:27.05 | stoned | nzerox, OR, you can just download the binary image, extract it ~/NVU/ and then just ./nvu it and run it |
| 22:27.12 | stoned | you don't NEED a debian package for it work |
| 22:27.23 | stoned | you can easily just remove it by rm -rd ~/NVU etc. |
| 22:27.37 | mirak | hey |
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| 22:27.43 | nzerox | stoned, oh! dam, i didnt know that, let me go and do that :) |
| 22:28.12 | stoned | DarkJesus, I dunno what to tell you mate |
| 22:28.24 | mirak | when you run mount command, is there a way to make the mount.FILESYSTEM be run as a particular user ? |
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| 22:30.25 | nzerox | stoned, there doesnt seem to be a binary package for debian |
| 22:30.40 | sid | nzerox: Just paste the command I said and it will work. |
| 22:30.53 | stoned | or you can do just what he said |
| 22:31.04 | stoned | I thought there as a precompiled binary for it |
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| 22:32.35 | nzerox | stoned, sid, thanks alot guys |
| 22:33.43 | mirak | anyone ? |
| 22:33.57 | stoned | mirak, what are you looking to do |
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| 22:36.07 | spectie | hi, if i create a package for something in wishlist |
| 22:36.07 | mirak | stoned: I want to have smbnetfs a fuse filesystem mounted at login for anyuser in /network/$USER . So I use pam_mount. But it runs the mount from root uid, and since fuse is userland I can't benefit of per user config for that module |
| 22:36.20 | spectie | who would i talk to to get it included in the distro ? |
| 22:36.35 | cheal | spectie: in which wishlist? |
| 22:36.36 | stoned | mirak, I can't assist you with that |
| 22:36.44 | spectie | cheal, 'sec |
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| 22:37.03 | spectie | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg00084.html |
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| 22:37.19 | mirak | stoned: in fact there is the possiblity to mount as user at login, but then I can't use a mount volume since that's not root |
| 22:37.38 | spectie | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg00083.html <-- actually that |
| 22:37.43 | spectie | but i'm going to package apertium too |
| 22:37.56 | stoned | mirak, I've never setup that stuff, sorry |
| 22:38.12 | argent | how do i revert back to a package that had been installed earlier on my system? |
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| 22:38.31 | mirak | argent: download the package and install with dpkg -i |
| 22:38.36 | cheal | spectie: are you Sergio Talens-Oliag? |
| 22:38.42 | mirak | or with synaptic I guess you can fallback |
| 22:38.50 | spectie | cheal, nope |
| 22:38.52 | argent | mirak: the package isn't avilable anymore on the website |
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| 22:39.05 | cheal | spectie: then somebody else already intends to package it |
| 22:39.05 | mirak | argent: so what do you expect ? |
| 22:39.23 | thingfish | or look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ - it might already be there. |
| 22:39.24 | spectie | cheal, ah ok |
| 22:39.32 | spectie | cheal, that was like 9 months ago though |
| 22:40.01 | cheal | spectie: yes. no one asked anything about the time yet though |
| 22:40.11 | spectie | i'll try talking to that guy |
| 22:40.25 | argent | mirak: i had installed a package, then i installed another version of it which i downloaded from packages.debian.org and now i want to revert back to the old one |
| 22:40.46 | cheal | spectie: that would be the thing to do if you want to offer help (as long as you use the BTS to do it) |
| 22:40.55 | argent | though is there any way to make apt ignore dependencies of certain packages? |
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| 22:41.04 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to setup SSH to work over a HTTP tunnel, but i get error on the client: |
| 22:41.05 | solemnwarning | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 22:41.08 | solemnwarning | any ideas? |
| 22:41.43 | mirak | argent: you can |
| 22:41.46 | spectie | cheal, the bug tracking system? |
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| 22:41.54 | argent | mirak: how? |
| 22:41.58 | onetinsoldier | hello. i made a kernel with make-kpkg and after installing the image i am getting a FATAL error from modprobe when booting that modules.dep does not exist. i also noticed that all modules in the modules dir for this kernel end with '.ko' instead of '.o'. the new kernel is a 2.6.15 kernel. is .ko suffix for modules correct? |
| 22:41.59 | spectie | cheal, would it work if i emailed the bug@bug.debian.org ? |
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| 22:42.11 | mirak | divert stuffs argent I don't know how to use that |
| 22:42.20 | argent | k |
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| 22:43.36 | cheal | spectie: yes, the bug tracking system. yes, bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 22:44.04 | cheal | spectie: and even 320931-submitter@bugs.d.o if you want the self-proposing maintainer to receive your mail |
| 22:44.07 | spectie | cheal, ok |
| 22:44.16 | spectie | cheal, i just sent it :) |
| 22:44.19 | spectie | thanks for your help :) |
| 22:44.30 | cheal | spectie: no problem |
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| 22:45.00 | Tropican8 | Greetings, how would I go about installing KDE rather than Gnome from the Debian Testing Netinst CD? An expert install didn't give an option for manual package selection. I also did some reading and someone mentioned something about the KDE metapackage being broken, is that true/related to my problem? |
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| 22:45.41 | GAMERVICIOUS | Breno-Brazil |
| 22:45.44 | cheal | Tropican8: kde metapackage shouldn't be broken in Etch since a long time. it shouldn't be related |
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| 22:46.10 | cheal | Tropican8: just don't select the Desktop Environment task |
| 22:46.13 | bbrazil | !br |
| 22:46.14 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:46.28 | onetinsoldier | the kde meta package in etched installed ok for me |
| 22:46.31 | cheal | Tropican8: and install KDE using APT when you get a shell |
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| 22:46.40 | Tropican8 | many thanks |
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| 22:47.31 | Tropican8 | Oh also, when I install my ethernet card is picked up as eth1, but it switches to eth0 after install, why is that? |
| 22:47.45 | onetinsoldier | can anyone help me get kernel message logging working? |
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| 22:50.13 | cheal | Tropican8: that may well be true. when did that happen (using an image built when)? |
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| 22:50.32 | PovAddict | hello |
| 22:50.33 | Tropican8 | 4 days ago |
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| 22:50.58 | PovAddict | getting a strange problem |
| 22:51.03 | teolupus | Debian Etch comes with RAID support compiled into kernel, right?? |
| 22:51.19 | PovAddict | apt-cdrom is recognizing my Debian Etch DVD as unstable :\ |
| 22:51.41 | Overand | This is a longshot and is largely unrelated, but does anyone here have the firmware update for the maxtor VA1010610-->VA1010630 SATA drive? Maxtor sent me the *wrong update* |
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| 22:52.13 | cheal | Tropican8: a udev version with a similar problem fixed transitioned to Etch 4 days ago. it may be fixed with newer images |
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| 22:53.26 | Tropican8 | Ok I'll try a newer image, thank you very much |
| 22:53.32 | bhagabhi | got the message "debian udevd[14626] add_to_rules: invalid rule '/etc/udev/rules.d/050_hal-plugdev.rules:5'" during boottime since some updates a few days ago.. is there anything that can be done to get rid of it? The computer works fine though, just disturbing to get something like that during boot. (Im on Etch.) |
| 22:53.33 | PovAddict | any idea of why apt-cdrom is recognizing my Debian Etch DVD as 'unstable'? I'm pretty sure Etch is 'testing'... |
| 22:53.43 | cheal | Tropican8: that shouldn't be a reason to reinstall though |
| 22:54.06 | Tropican8 | I was actually wondering about the issue for future installs |
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| 22:54.23 | sid | PovAddict: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:54.51 | PovAddict | lol there are 777 users on the channel =D |
| 22:54.57 | cheal | PovAddict: yes, Etch is testing. for a long time d-i added testing CD-ROM-s to sources.list as "unstable", and it's probably still the case. that shouldn't be a real problem though |
| 22:55.01 | PovAddict | sid: 3.1 |
| 22:55.39 | sid | PovAddict: You're running Debian sarge(stable) |
| 22:55.41 | PovAddict | cheal: what should I do to get apt-get dist-upgrade to get packages from the DVD instead of downloading them? |
| 22:55.50 | sid | PovAddict: You can type a few commands and go to testing or unstable. YOu don't need to use the dvd image. |
| 22:56.10 | PovAddict | it will download like 300MB of packages :\ |
| 22:56.22 | PovAddict | I won't go download them AGAIN if I already have them on the DVD... |
| 22:56.26 | sid | PovAddict: You want to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 22:56.31 | PovAddict | sid: exactly |
| 22:56.36 | cheal | PovAddict: make sure the DVD source is above the net sources in sources.list |
| 22:56.55 | PovAddict | cheal: it is, and it says 'unstable contrib main' |
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| 22:56.58 | sid | PovAddict: http://pastebin.com/717742 |
| 22:57.12 | sid | PovAddict: I recommend you make that your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 22:57.22 | PovAddict | I did |
| 22:57.35 | PovAddict | I changed 'stable' to 'testing' on sources.list |
| 22:57.38 | PovAddict | then did apt-get update |
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| 22:57.47 | sid | PovAddict: Now do "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 22:57.58 | PovAddict | it will download the files from debian mirrors |
| 22:58.02 | sid | right |
| 22:58.05 | PovAddict | I want it to get them from the DVD! |
| 22:58.13 | nzerox | hey, anyone managed to get skype working ? |
| 22:58.14 | sid | PovAddict: Your dvd files are probably old. |
| 22:58.22 | maher | nzerox: didn't work for me.... |
| 22:58.24 | PovAddict | finished downloading yesterday >_> |
| 22:58.34 | robin_sz | nzerox, yeah, about 6million people so far |
| 22:58.40 | teolupus | When trying to boot (grub: root (hd0,1) \n kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-486 root=/dev/md1 ro), i get "VFS: Cannot open root device md1 or unknown-block(0,0)". Any ideas? |
| 22:58.46 | PovAddict | robin_sz: lol |
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| 22:58.52 | teolupus | apropos... using etch |
| 22:59.04 | nzerox | i cant get my mic to work, with skype |
| 22:59.07 | maher | i'm getting segfaults on the stable firefox - anyone else having problems with this? |
| 22:59.14 | maher | nzerox: i had the same problem |
| 22:59.19 | sid | !tell maher about bts |
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| 22:59.29 | sid | maher: What version of firefox are you running? |
| 23:00.20 | thingfish | maher: bugs.debian.org/mozilla-firefox |
| 23:01.09 | DarkJesus | What's the apt-get command to install xfree86 or x11 or whatever? |
| 23:01.26 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus whcih one do you want, xfree86 or xorg? |
| 23:01.27 | sid | DarkJesus: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xorg |
| 23:01.40 | PovAddict | "apt-cache search xfree86" if you are unsure of package name |
| 23:01.43 | teolupus | are there any grub special parameters needed to boot over raid devices? |
| 23:01.46 | robin_sz | reminds me .. thanks to whoever it was who pointed out the "disown" command ... useful and better than nohup in some ways |
| 23:01.49 | PovAddict | ...or what sid said =D |
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| 23:02.41 | DarkJesus | I'll have xorg if it's possible |
| 23:03.35 | thingfish | on sarge, it's only possible through backports.org, and you have to sacrifice gnome. |
| 23:03.39 | maher | sid: i'm on 1.0.4-2sarge4, though it says 7 is most recent... |
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| 23:04.54 | sid | What is that dvdrw/cdrw drive writing technology called... the one that burns the cd to mark it with a logo/label etc. |
| 23:05.08 | bnovc | checking kernel sources... configure: error: not found in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build |
| 23:05.13 | bnovc | ^ should i have a program called build it means? |
| 23:05.21 | sid | lightscribe |
| 23:05.22 | sid | That's it |
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| 23:05.38 | rockstar_ | DarkJesus : You got your update to testing right? Shoot, xorg is in the main repository, don't bother with backports |
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| 23:06.19 | thingfish | bnovc: maybe you need build-essential |
| 23:06.35 | bnovc | apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 23:06.55 | thingfish | yes |
| 23:07.31 | bnovc | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 23:07.33 | thingfish | !wayc bnovc |
| 23:07.33 | dpkg | bnovc: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 23:07.42 | bnovc | because it isn't in apt-get |
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| 23:08.18 | DarkJesus | rockstar_: I didn't get it up yet, because I can't connect anymore - my ethernet card (eth0) can not be found |
| 23:08.28 | bnovc | http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Logging/Snoop-3341.shtml |
| 23:08.31 | bnovc | no .deb for it |
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| 23:09.04 | maher | uh oh - maybe my box is totally hosed for some reason... |
| 23:09.11 | sid | Does anyone know if you have a dvdrw/cdrw drive that has lightscribe or labelflash technologies built in to it...are there software applications that run on GNU/Linux that can take advantage of and use these technologies? |
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| 23:10.05 | Ugly_Duck | i have a K8NS Pro mother board, 754 socket, onboard raid, sata etc. if i have sata_nv and sata_sil loaded, will that conflict and stop me accessing two of my sata drives? i have access two at the moment, but two are not there |
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| 23:10.14 | phogg | sid: I recall seeing a klabelmaker or somesuch. |
| 23:11.01 | minarale | I just booted Korora livecd... all the gnome windows seem 'elastic' ... anyone know what this is? |
| 23:11.06 | thingfish | apt-cache search label cd? |
| 23:11.24 | phogg | minarale: xgl? |
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| 23:11.51 | thingfish | minarale: it's a feature. |
| 23:12.03 | sortadi | what's Korora? same as Kukuma? |
| 23:12.05 | phogg | minarale: I think it was korora or something like it that had XGL on a live cd. Pretty nifty, eh? Too bad it requires metafuckingcity |
| 23:12.06 | minarale | yeah, it's pretty sweet-looking |
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| 23:12.46 | onetinsoldier | can anyone help me get kernel message logging working? |
| 23:12.49 | sortadi | korora is kukuma's cousin? |
| 23:12.56 | rockstar_ | phogg: Is metacity a pain? |
| 23:13.08 | rockstar_ | I've heard a lot about Xgl, but I haven't done anything with it. |
| 23:13.18 | maher | anyone remmeber offhand how you force an fsck on nect reboot? |
| 23:13.30 | phogg | rockstar_: metacity is stupid. It was a bad idea to make a bad, slow WM with no features, yet somehow they did it anyway. |
| 23:13.32 | onetinsoldier | hi there rockstar_ :) |
| 23:13.34 | bnovc | is there a way to change the configure line of a .deb package and recompile it? |
| 23:13.41 | sid | phogg: klabelmaker is for printers...not using the laser inside a dvdrw/cdrw |
| 23:13.50 | minarale | I xgl available for gentoo? |
| 23:13.52 | phogg | rockstar_: I seriously suggest you get a livecd that has it and try it out. It's way too cool. |
| 23:14.07 | maher | bnovc: yes - sl the source and edit debian/rules |
| 23:14.09 | onetinsoldier | maher: have a look at the manpage for the shutdown command |
| 23:14.10 | phogg | sid: Okay. I had never even installed it. |
| 23:14.17 | rockstar_ | phogg: I'm looking forward to at least an alpha of e17. |
| 23:14.21 | thingfish | minarale: ask in #gentoo |
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| 23:14.27 | bnovc | maher, could you be more specific |
| 23:14.33 | bnovc | https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-security/1998-June/msg00063.html |
| 23:14.36 | bnovc | i'm trying to do that |
| 23:14.47 | phogg | rockstar_: Oh, yes! Have you tried the e! livecd? It's not quite Xgl wow, but it's still very pretty. |
| 23:14.52 | qbit | anyone have any experience with mplayer -tv? |
| 23:15.12 | rockstar_ | Holy crap, there's a liveCD? I didn't want to hose my system, so I haven't even played with it yet. |
| 23:15.37 | rockstar_ | What I'd really like to do is a desktop clone with two different resolutions... That's all I freakin' want right now! |
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| 23:15.50 | onetinsoldier | can anyone help me get kernel message logging working? |
| 23:15.52 | Ugly_Duck | how can i remove a module for configuration so it dont load on boot up? |
| 23:15.58 | rockstar_ | ...bug I can settle for a new e17 |
| 23:16.00 | minarale | thingfish: is xgl only available for gentoo? |
| 23:16.11 | phogg | rockstar_: yes... it was put out a while ago. At least two iterations. The latest one included qemu built to re-launch the livecd in emulation. Because livecds are not slow enough! |
| 23:16.14 | qbit | minarale: http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 23:16.21 | dli_ | onetinsoldier, do you have sysklogd or syslog-ng running? |
| 23:16.44 | sortadi | minarale: xgl is only available for Kukuma |
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| 23:17.17 | onetinsoldier | dli_: hi. i am very very rusty with linux right now. all i know is that my kernel message logging was working but for some reason it seems to have stopped |
| 23:17.24 | phogg | rockstar_: http://www.elivecd.org/ |
| 23:17.38 | rockstar_ | phogg: That is some sweet crap |
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| 23:17.42 | thingfish | minarale: how the hell do I know? |
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| 23:18.04 | nomed | hi all |
| 23:18.16 | rockstar_ | nomed: Word. |
| 23:18.19 | thingfish | minarale: in case you hadn't noticed, this is #debian, not #gentoo. We only know about Debian. |
| 23:18.19 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:18.23 | nomed | is it available the theme of wiki.debian.org ? |
| 23:18.27 | onetinsoldier | dli_: syslogd is currently running |
| 23:19.01 | nzerox | hey, is the www-data group used to allow access to /var/www ? |
| 23:19.05 | thingfish | !word |
| 23:19.06 | dpkg | word to your mutha! |
| 23:19.21 | phogg | nzerox: I should hope so. |
| 23:19.58 | rockstar_ | dpkg: I already did that... it's mother's day! |
| 23:20.05 | nzerox | phogg, thanks alot, on my sys root seems to be the owner and group, i'll change that and add my user to the www-data group |
| 23:20.30 | Solet | where does grub's config live? |
| 23:20.42 | phogg | Solet: /boot/grub/ |
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| 23:21.20 | phogg | nzerox: I didn't say own, I said access. |
| 23:21.26 | Ugly_Duck | will having sata_nv and sata_sil conflict and produce this result? ata3 is slow to respond, please be patient & ata3 failed to respond (30 secs) |
| 23:21.32 | nicolas_ | whats the best way of backuping my whole filesystem to a dvd ? |
| 23:21.42 | robin_sz | dump |
| 23:21.52 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.55 | phogg | robin_sz: isn't that ext2 only? |
| 23:22.15 | rockstar_ | nicolas_ : Depends on you medium. I like dd for backups... exact image |
| 23:22.24 | robin_sz | phogg, no, I dont think so .. its anything AFAIK .. |
| 23:22.33 | phogg | robin_sz: dump - ext2/3 filesystem backup |
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| 23:23.14 | nzerox | phogg, hehe, thats true, is it a bad idea for www-data to own /var/www ? |
| 23:23.27 | Ugly_Duck | ? |
| 23:23.33 | robin_sz | phogg, im sure i used it to do a windows partition before now ... |
| 23:23.40 | SonnyBurnett | Hello, I'm trying to ssh a PC but I ca'nt and I receive this ouput: "Permission denied (Publickey)." |
| 23:23.51 | phogg | nzerox: I tend to assume, at least in debian, that things having to do with security were set that way for a reason. |
| 23:24.01 | nicolas_ | rockstar_: if i type dd if=/dev/hda1 of=filesystem.iso my whole hda1 will go in filesystem.iso ? is that ok ? |
| 23:24.10 | onetinsoldier | can anyone help me get kernel message logging working? syslogd is currently running. |
| 23:24.10 | phogg | robin_sz: I dunno, maybe in the real world it does more. I only ever looked at the man page. |
| 23:24.30 | phogg | nicolas_: yes, except it would not be in ISO format |
| 23:24.46 | robin_sz | phogg, well, yeah, I could be mis-remembering |
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| 23:25.20 | phogg | nicolas_: and to restore you'd have to mount the DVD, mount the disk image via a loopback device, and then cp things back. Unless you want to wipe everything while you restore. |
| 23:25.21 | robin_sz | nicolas_, is hda1 ext2/3? |
| 23:25.21 | mythica | I am trying to get my usb quickcam pro 4000 webcam working |
| 23:25.25 | rockstar_ | nicolas_ : Depends on where you put filesystem.iso You don't want it on the same place as the drive you're backing up. |
| 23:25.28 | mythica | when I run lsusb it shows up |
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| 23:25.44 | mythica | does that mean that it is installed and should be working? |
| 23:25.50 | robin_sz | mythica, I think you might hav problems ...the driver was removed from the kernel AFAIK |
| 23:25.50 | shogunx | mythica logitech has a kernel patch for the quickcams |
| 23:26.15 | shogunx | iirc. for a 2.4 kernel anyway. not sure on 2.6. |
| 23:26.16 | mythica | i apt-get installed qc-usb-source |
| 23:26.19 | phogg | nicolas_: if I were you I'd simply tar cjf and then use mkisofs to add it to a DVD image. |
| 23:26.20 | mythica | is that what i need? |
| 23:26.26 | mythica | but when i run the setup it doesnt find the cam |
| 23:26.27 | shogunx | mythica, that should be it. |
| 23:26.29 | robin_sz | the quickcam driver was removed from the standard kernel tree by zealots afaik. |
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| 23:28.12 | onetinsoldier | is modprobe outdated for 2.6 kernels? |
| 23:28.18 | phogg | onetinsoldier: no |
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| 23:28.46 | phogg | onetinsoldier: modutils is. Use module-init-tools |
| 23:28.47 | SonnyBurnett | Hello, I'm trying to ssh a PC but I receive this ouput: "Permission denied (Publickey)." Why? |
| 23:28.48 | onetinsoldier | hmmm, ok. thanks. i'm getting a bad error from modprobe when booting.. arrghh |
| 23:29.06 | jair_11 | hello guys, it is possible to do incremental backups qith rsync right? |
| 23:29.15 | robin_sz | mythica, the story is a long one, but basically, the guy who wrote the quickcam driver got permission from kodak or logitech to use a bit of binary decompressor ... the rest of the driver was GPL, but the kernel guys gave himne so much shit over it , he withdrew it and it no longer works, it used to work fine ... now it doenst, go figure |
| 23:29.35 | teolupus | Does Debian Etch uses initrd by default???? |
| 23:29.43 | onetinsoldier | i do have module-init-tools installed |
| 23:29.55 | phogg | onetinsoldier: if you have modprobe from modutils then that might happen. I don't know what the exact effect would be, I upgraded in proper sequence. |
| 23:30.29 | onetinsoldier | well... arrrgh. i think i have both modutils and module-init-tools installed |
| 23:31.00 | phogg | onetinsoldier: that should not be possible. They conflict. |
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| 23:31.07 | nicolas_ | phogg: why should i mkisofs ? what if i burn directly the tarball ? |
| 23:31.11 | onetinsoldier | they don't seem to be conflicting packages.. they installed ok |
| 23:31.11 | bnovc | --use-login=/bin/ttysnoops <- how can i just add that to my sshd compile? |
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| 23:31.22 | forx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:32.07 | phogg | forx: export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 ; xterm |
| 23:32.07 | gteppel | I've installed cups and got my laser printer working however it seems like the margins are off, how do I change this? |
| 23:32.07 | onetinsoldier | phogg: should I just purge them and then install just the module-init-tools you think? |
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| 23:32.07 | phogg | onetinsoldier: hard to say. It could be another problem entirely. |
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| 23:32.37 | phogg | gteppel: first check to make sure it's trying to use Letter and not A4. |
| 23:32.44 | teolupus | DOES DEBIAN ETCH USES INTRD ON THE DEFAULT SETUP? |
| 23:32.56 | gteppel | phogg: I already changed that |
| 23:33.00 | gteppel | it was worse with A4 |
| 23:33.05 | gteppel | but letter still messes it up |
| 23:33.19 | phogg | teolupus: Yes, because shouting is always the best way to get attention. |
| 23:33.55 | qbit | maybe his caps key is stuck? |
| 23:34.02 | phogg | robin_sz: And I curse A4. Why can't everybody use 8.5" x 11"? It's the dimensions that god would have wanted! |
| 23:34.27 | phogg | qbit: it was not stuck 3 minutes ago when he asked the first time. |
| 23:34.39 | qbit | oh.. |
| 23:34.40 | qbit | hehe |
| 23:34.42 | qbit | darn |
| 23:34.43 | teolupus | phogg: thank you! :) |
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| 23:35.04 | teolupus | yes... it took a little time since the first time I asked |
| 23:35.12 | teolupus | (and got no answers) |
| 23:35.17 | robin_sz | phogg, because A[0|1|2|3|4|5] actually all work together.. you cut one in half and get the next size ... thats sensible. |
| 23:35.37 | phogg | robin_sz: sarcasm, friend, sarcasm. |
| 23:35.48 | robin_sz | ahh, 'k :) |
| 23:35.52 | phogg | or perhaps irony. |
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| 23:36.05 | onetinsoldier | can anyone help me get kernel message logging working? syslogd is currently running. |
| 23:36.26 | forx | phogg... says it can't connect to Xserver, but.. if i look at my process, the X server is started with these args: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 23:36.37 | Ugly_Duck | if i have selected another module in my .config and need to compile the modules, do i run "make modules" instead of creating another linux-image.deb? |
| 23:36.53 | teolupus | I wonder why the Etch is not booting over the MD (raid 1) / and /boot... any special reason or known bug?? |
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| 23:37.28 | joeljose420 | i have a new version of a package (new.tar.gz) and also the old version(orig.tar.gz, diff.gz , .dsc). How do i create patch files for the oldversion.tar.gz to get updated to the newversion.tar.gz using patch? |
| 23:37.35 | phogg | forx: from within X: xhost +username, then try again |
| 23:37.43 | qbit | teolupus, do you have a default kernel? |
| 23:37.54 | veamos | does anybody know about vlc? |
| 23:37.55 | row | why would mouting a nfs share take like over 1min to mount? |
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| 23:38.02 | teolupus | qbit: yes... |
| 23:38.16 | visik7 | which backup system do you use ? |
| 23:38.23 | row | backuppc rocks |
| 23:38.25 | teolupus | qbit: using kernel-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 23:38.30 | qbit | teolupus: hardware raid? |
| 23:38.48 | teolupus | qbit: no.... using software raid created on the etch setup |
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| 23:39.40 | qbit | teolupus, do you see any initrd stuff in /boot/grub/menu.list? or /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 23:39.49 | teolupus | raid 1 as: md0 is boot (sda1 and sdb1), md1 is root (sda2 and sdb2), md3 is lvm (sda3, sdb3) |
| 23:40.02 | qbit | k |
| 23:40.04 | maher | visik7: dirvish |
| 23:40.19 | OpenSorce | How is it that I use apt to install the kernel? |
| 23:40.27 | teolupus | qbit: yes. I see /initrd.img-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 23:40.32 | forx | phogg... i don't quite have access to X, it's a box running remotly, and i'm trying to start an X program on it, i'm connected via ssh |
| 23:40.37 | veamos | I've installed vlc and I set a skin.. and now, when I run vlc.. it doesn't work fine; it just plays videos (lucky) but when I click any option it doesn't work and I can't do anything. can anybody help me? |
| 23:40.39 | phogg | KDE programs often spew hundreds of lines like this on startup: "kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/file-roller.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/zip" |
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| 23:40.45 | phogg | How do I make 'em stop? |
| 23:40.45 | forx | can i add something when x starts up or something? |
| 23:41.11 | phogg | forx: why do you want to start an X program when you wont be able to see it displayed? |
| 23:41.15 | qbit | teolupus, only thing i can think of is it's a bug with that kernel build. stuff that should be in the initrd not being there.. |
| 23:41.26 | qbit | i would try another kernel |
| 23:41.39 | teolupus | qbit: but I think that the settup made a mistake on setting the root option... it's (hd0,0), instead of (hd0,1) |
| 23:41.44 | forx | phogg... it's a box running mythtv, i need to start the frontend |
| 23:41.48 | maher | phogg: redirect standard error to /dev/null |
| 23:41.52 | forx | which is connected to a tv |
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| 23:42.21 | jair_11 | anyone here have any experience using rsync for incremental and complete backups? |
| 23:42.36 | phogg | maher: 'sweep it under the rug'. No thanks. That's like eliminating compile time warnings by taking out -Wall |
| 23:42.37 | qbit | teolupus, not 100% sure but i think that tells grub to look on your boot partition ( not really the unix root ) |
| 23:42.44 | Miesco | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 23:42.44 | Miesco | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 23:42.53 | Miesco | What are KDE headers? |
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| 23:43.05 | qbit | teolupus: you could try changing it tho .. no harm it in |
| 23:43.16 | teolupus | qbit: solved by changing it....! |
| 23:43.21 | forx | phogg, nevermind, i got it to work, need to change it from localhost:0.0 to :0.0 |
| 23:43.35 | phogg | forx: ah yes, that could do it. |
| 23:43.35 | teolupus | qbit: I think we've a bug on Etch setup... |
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| 23:44.01 | teolupus | qbit: I'll report it as soon I finish this server |
| 23:44.01 | phogg | forx: I keep forgetting the -notcp thing. |
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| 23:45.03 | CAiRO | what can be the cause that eth0 is suddenly eth2 after a reboot (same kernel, nothing changed) |
| 23:45.09 | CAiRO | and eth0 is 'nothing'.. |
| 23:45.12 | forx | it's ok, thanks for the help, one more question though, i have looked into this before, but couldn't remember how i ended up getting it done (hence why i'm here), but i thought i remembered being able to do something like /bin/program -- :0.0 or something, do you happen to know that syntax? |
| 23:45.20 | CAiRO | it took me a while until i noticed that it has been renamed |
| 23:45.23 | SonnyBurnett | Hello, I'm trying to connect to a PC using ssh but I receive this ouput: "Permission denied (Publickey)." It didnt ask me for the passphrase,why? |
| 23:45.48 | maher | CAiRO: udev? try ifrename if you want static device names or do it the udev way (which I don't know) |
| 23:45.50 | onetinsoldier | phogg: when i do dpkg -L modutils | grep bin ...i get a bunch of diverted messages like the following... /sbin/modprobe diverted by module-init-tools to: /sbin/modprobe.Lmodutils ...you are probably right about them not being able to co-exist. although both packages are currently installed. arrghh. i have a 2.4.27 kernel currently installed depending on modutils and then i've made and installed a 2.6.15 using mak-kpkg. i don't |
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| 23:46.07 | CAiRO | maher: ok, thanks |
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| 23:46.53 | maher | SonnyBurnett: try ssh -v for more verbose errors - maybe the server is set to not ask for a password... |
| 23:46.58 | nzerox | hey guys, i made /var/www folder owed by root, and group = www-data, and chmoded the folder to 775, i added my user to the www-data group, but i cant create files in the /var/www folder, any ideas ? |
| 23:47.12 | phogg | onetinsoldier: module-init-tools can exist with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 23:47.48 | zamaliphe | what is the best linux support motherboard |
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| 23:48.12 | onetinsoldier | phogg: yes.. but maybe you didn't follow me about the 'diverted' package and that i have a 2.6.15 kernel installed as well as the 2.4.27 one. |
| 23:48.12 | zamaliphe | what is the best linux support motherboard ? |
| 23:48.26 | Miesco | What are KDE headers? |
| 23:48.28 | joeljose420 | guys how do i create a diff.gz file from a newversion.tar.gz and an oldversion.tar.gz? i need to get a diff.gz which can patch the oldversio.tar.gz into the newversion.tar.gz |
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| 23:48.35 | gteppel | If I have a third party ppd where do I place that so the cups interface will pick it up?? |
| 23:48.51 | maher | joeljose420: unpack the tar balls and use diff.... |
| 23:48.53 | nse | which is the way to see where are each of the extracted files of a deb after install |
| 23:48.54 | qbit | teolupus: werd |
| 23:49.05 | veamos | how do I add a specific url in apt? |
| 23:49.12 | joeljose420 | i know i have to use uupdate.. but no success at that yet.. i have just got it to produce some orig.tar.gz |
| 23:49.30 | phogg | veamos: you mean a new source? |
| 23:49.39 | joeljose420 | well.. the diff is giving me an output into the screen.. no diff.gz files!! |
| 23:49.48 | onetinsoldier | phogg: i think i'll just purge them and then install only the module-init-tools package and then only run my 2.6.15 kernel, which I need to recompile. anyway, thanks for the help. |
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| 23:49.59 | maher | joeljose420: you don't want to run diff on the tarballs, rather on the unpacked stuff |
| 23:50.15 | sebas007 | hi, anyone familiar with building d-i with a custom kernel? |
| 23:50.18 | veamos | yes |
| 23:50.29 | phogg | joeljose420: unpack both, diff -r first second > diff. gzip diff |
| 23:50.42 | SonnyBurnett | maher, See the ouput: http://pastebin.com/717814 |
| 23:50.44 | dli_ | sebas007, but, why? |
| 23:50.47 | phogg | veamos: /etc/apt/sources.list. man sources.list |
| 23:51.18 | joeljose420 | yes.. i did thatway.. i first used apt-get source oldversion to get a directory called oldversion(made by applying .diff.gz patch onto oldversion.tar.gz) |
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| 23:51.45 | joeljose420 | phogg.. ? |
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| 23:51.50 | sebas007 | dli_: I m trying build one but I get a kernel panic when I boot with d'i. I do not see where I go wrong. |
| 23:52.03 | joeljose420 | "diff .gzip diff" |
| 23:52.16 | dli_ | sebas007, I mean, why custom kernel? |
| 23:52.21 | nse | hello. do anybody know how to see the full patch of deb extracted files? i need to know which is the command to run a specific program |
| 23:52.42 | dli_ | nse, dpkg -c foo.deb |
| 23:52.57 | maher | SonnyBurnett: can you paste the sshd_config |
| 23:53.06 | CAiRO | maher: aha, i found out udev's persistent-net-generator.rules detected a 3rd network card which isn't there.. strange |
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| 23:53.19 | sebas007 | dli_: because the sata controlor is not supported in the common d-i in sarge and etch. |
| 23:53.34 | joeljose420 | so.. i do a diff -r 1st 2nd > diff. gzip diff ? |
| 23:53.37 | SonnyBurnett | maher, of the server or client? |
| 23:53.45 | maher | CAiRO: server |
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| 23:54.12 | dli_ | sebas007, ask maher for the newest kernel for d-i |
| 23:54.13 | nse | dli_: i only know the name of the package, but not exactly the file name of the deb.. |
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| 23:54.25 | kbrooks | !dpkg |
| 23:54.25 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also ... |
| 23:54.32 | dli_ | nse, /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 23:54.51 | sebas007 | dli_: thanks. |
| 23:54.58 | teolupus | qbit: After creating the md devices on setup, do I need to wait the sync finish? |
| 23:55.01 | kbrooks | dpkg: see also what, idiot? |
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| 23:55.20 | kbrooks | dpkg: give me a full factoid or else |
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| 23:55.35 | qbit | teolupus: couldn't hurt .. not sure if you have to wait tho |
| 23:55.50 | crazy_penguin | bye. Good night |
| 23:56.05 | SonnyBurnett | maher, here's the sshd_config of the server: http://pastebin.com/717820 |
| 23:56.30 | joeljose420 | hmmm.. .diff.gz is supposed to be a binary file.. |
| 23:56.43 | joeljose420 | how do i get a bin file using a redirection? |
| 23:56.45 | sebas007 | maher: are you there? I have some hardware not supported in the lastest kernel of the d-i. So I thought of building my own kernel to put in the d-i. |
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| 23:57.17 | joeljose420 | so.. i do a diff -r 1st 2nd > diff.gz ? gives me a txt file not a binary file.. ;( |
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| 23:58.26 | nse | is there a memory test that runs in a running linux? |
| 23:58.44 | sebas007 | maher: but I get a kernel panic... when it gets to the initrd. |
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| 23:59.12 | maher | SonnyBurnett: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no <-- try yes here |
| 23:59.29 | joeljose420 | k.. i will state more clearly. i have 2 directories one the oldversion and the other the newversion.. i want to get a diff.gz file so that i can use apt-get build newversion and the oldversion.orig.tz file will be patched with this diff.gz to give me new version!! |
| 23:59.40 | maher | sebas007: i am here - i have no special knowledge of d-i though... |
