| 00:00.06 | LSorensen | Azar: which changes? |
| 00:00.18 | Azar | LSorensen, since Woody up today |
| 00:00.31 | teknoprep | hmm how i check? |
| 00:00.35 | Azar | I used to learn on Woody with some of your howto's |
| 00:00.39 | LSorensen | Azar: well I started with hamm :) |
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| 00:00.47 | kspath | Azar: when woody was testing or stable/release? |
| 00:01.04 | Azar | kspath: when woody was the stable, like three years ago |
| 00:01.06 | teknoprep | LSorensen how do i check.... MAKEDEV --version or -? or --help does nothing |
| 00:01.23 | LSorensen | teknoprep: dpkg -l makedev |
| 00:01.45 | teknoprep | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.45 | Azar | kspath: back when we all struggled with nvidia video, LSorensen did some nice help articles |
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| 00:02.00 | LSorensen | teknoprep: hmm, mine is 2.3.1-81. shouldn't be that different |
| 00:02.28 | LSorensen | teknoprep: cd /dev; /sbin/MAKEDEV ide5 should work I think |
| 00:02.30 | VT_Deadhead | btw ... i fixed my problem with xboard ... there were a few leftover font paths still pointing to /usr/lib/X11 .. i removed those and everything is working now |
| 00:02.53 | teknoprep | LSorensen /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "ide5" |
| 00:03.01 | jurgis | I did an `apt-get install ddclient`, it asked me for some info, I made a typo, and there was no back or cancel button. When I try to re-install it (apt-get remove and then apt-get install) it doesn't prompt me for the info and used what I previously entered. How do I re-run the configuration for that package? |
| 00:03.12 | teknoprep | how do i get the new kernel from that site you said |
| 00:03.17 | LSorensen | teknoprep: how about MAKEDEV hdk ? |
| 00:03.19 | teknoprep | what is the apt-get deb ? |
| 00:03.25 | teknoprep | LSorensen no error |
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| 00:03.29 | teknoprep | LSorensen but it does nothing |
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| 00:03.44 | LSorensen | teknoprep: ls -l /dev/hdk* |
| 00:04.07 | teknoprep | ahh i have them now |
| 00:04.08 | teknoprep | hmm |
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| 00:04.19 | LSorensen | teknoprep: hmm, odd. I thought it was ide5, apparently it is the drive you want |
| 00:04.21 | teknoprep | they didn't show up right away WTF |
| 00:04.24 | LSorensen | teknoprep: does fdisk -l work now? |
| 00:04.34 | teknoprep | yup |
| 00:04.35 | teknoprep | omfg |
| 00:04.37 | teknoprep | ty dude |
| 00:04.39 | chealer9 | jurgis: try # dpkg-reconfigure ddclient |
| 00:04.40 | LSorensen | teknoprep: most newer systems are starting to use udeve so that you don't need makedev anymore |
| 00:04.42 | Azar | the magic moment |
| 00:04.46 | LSorensen | teknoprep: er udev |
| 00:04.52 | teknoprep | can i just update my system to udev |
| 00:04.54 | teknoprep | ? |
| 00:05.02 | LSorensen | teknoprep: 2.4 probably just had a different drive order so they used lower names |
| 00:05.08 | teknoprep | i am using 2.6.8 |
| 00:05.09 | LSorensen | teknoprep: sure you can just install udev |
| 00:05.10 | teknoprep | -11 |
| 00:05.12 | jurgis | chealer9: it worked, thanks. |
| 00:05.16 | LSorensen | teknoprep: should work |
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| 00:05.20 | teknoprep | w0ot |
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| 00:05.32 | Azar | LSorensen: udev works with a 2.6.8? |
| 00:05.34 | teknoprep | then just reboot? |
| 00:05.37 | LSorensen | Azar: sure |
| 00:05.43 | LSorensen | teknoprep: probably simplest yes |
| 00:05.53 | teknoprep | cheers |
| 00:05.56 | LSorensen | teknoprep: might not even have to reboot (generally only a kernel upgrade needs it) |
| 00:05.57 | teknoprep | brb |
| 00:06.32 | Azar | LSorensen: now I have a question for you: you know I grew up with Woody , and did not kept up with the newest changes: I still use modconf when I try to look for a certain module, what has changed since? |
| 00:07.14 | Azar | LSorensen: I am using now wargetch: woody>sarge>etch with a 2.6.15 kernel |
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| 00:08.38 | LSorensen | Azar: not much. modules still go in /etc/modules if you want them force loaded at boot. of course udev and such have gotten better at detecting and loading the right modules. I still leave some modules in there though |
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| 00:08.52 | LSorensen | Azar: not sure if modconf is still around. I never used it |
| 00:09.12 | teknoprep | aww shiza |
| 00:09.16 | teknoprep | just lost my raid |
| 00:09.18 | Azar | LSorensen: modconf was "teh thing" three years ago |
| 00:09.33 | LSorensen | Azar: yeah it is still around it seems |
| 00:09.40 | LSorensen | Azar: although I don't even have it installed |
| 00:10.00 | Azar | LSorensen: I just kept upgrading but still keep modconf, lilo just as in the first woody install |
| 00:10.14 | LSorensen | Azar: I switched to grub years ago. |
| 00:10.23 | LSorensen | Azar: update-grub is just sooo handy when installing kernels |
| 00:10.25 | drasko | Hi all. I installed enlightenment, but it is not shown in gdm, so I can not choose this session. How to add it? |
| 00:10.35 | LSorensen | Azar: and it is how modern systems install by default |
| 00:10.38 | Azar | LSorensen: I tried grub, did not understand its mechanism, so I went back to lilo |
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| 00:11.25 | LSorensen | Azar: I did that a few times too, until I read the docs. then it made sense and I wondered why I had put up with lilo. Then I did a fresh install before sarge was released and saw update-grub in action. Now I refuse to use lilo no matter what |
| 00:12.09 | drasko | Hi all. I installed enlightenment, but it is not shown in gdm, so I can not choose this session. How to add it? |
| 00:12.10 | Azar | but LSorensen I like the fact that lilo seems light, simple to use, configure and keep other kernels handy in there as well |
| 00:12.23 | onetinsoldier | anyone want to take a satb at trying to help me solve (hsync out of range) problem when i try to use xorg? |
| 00:12.25 | LSorensen | Azar: grub is safer, and much more flexible |
| 00:12.50 | LSorensen | Azar: grub keeps all your kernels automatically. it doesn't break if you forget to run a command, it can recover much better from filesystem changes, etc. |
| 00:12.53 | Azar | LSorensen: my only horror dream is that if the kernel fails, I have no way to know how to handle grub |
| 00:12.57 | Inazad | Can I have help about gftp and SSL? |
| 00:13.10 | LSorensen | Azar: unlike with lilo, you won't have to worry. it will just work |
| 00:13.19 | LSorensen | Azar: look at update-grub |
| 00:13.26 | Azar | LSorensen: thank you |
| 00:13.40 | LSorensen | Azar: it is a very useful tool, at least when the right hook entries are made for the kernel package installs |
| 00:14.01 | Azar | LSorensen: ok I will try it again |
| 00:14.11 | LSorensen | Azar: and grub is mostly c, lilo is assembly. lilo is a pain to try and modify |
| 00:14.36 | teknoprep | how do i rebuild a raid 0 that was lost? |
| 00:14.39 | teknoprep | no data is lost |
| 00:14.49 | teknoprep | just the raid 0 Linux Raid doens't exist |
| 00:14.50 | Azar | LSorensen: I love and respect both, c and assembly. Those two are my learning goals |
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| 00:14.53 | LSorensen | teknoprep: mdadm can probably reassemble it |
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| 00:15.12 | myboxen | wish me luck, in removing exim, and installing postfix and procmail |
| 00:15.13 | myboxen | :) |
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| 00:15.25 | LSorensen | Azar: I find assembly hard to work in. I needed to work around a bios bug and it was much simpler to write it in c so I added it to grub to fix things before loading the kernel |
| 00:15.49 | kspath | myboxen: Why do you need luck? Debian and exim and postfix and procmail and fetchmail and mutt and ... are all good. |
| 00:16.03 | teknoprep | w0ot |
| 00:16.11 | teknoprep | that worked like a charm LSorensen |
| 00:16.11 | myboxen | kspath: yes, but I have never installed postfix and procmail before. |
| 00:16.14 | teknoprep | THANK GOD |
| 00:16.14 | teknoprep | lol |
| 00:16.26 | teknoprep | now to make sure i have an up2date backup |
| 00:16.31 | dondelelcaro | so the plan is to start at 20:00 ? |
| 00:16.35 | LSorensen | teknoprep: those are always good |
| 00:16.35 | kspath | teknoprep: Did "GOD" fix it or did you ? |
| 00:16.46 | teknoprep | God made sure i didn't fuck it up |
| 00:16.49 | teknoprep | i fixed it |
| 00:16.50 | teknoprep | lol |
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| 00:17.22 | kspath | teknoprep: So "GOD" made you mess it up over and over earlier and prevented you from getting assistance or understanding? |
| 00:17.29 | teknoprep | yes |
| 00:17.35 | teknoprep | only to gain more knowledge in the end |
| 00:17.40 | Azar | LSorensen: I am studying this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0471375233/ref=sib_dp_top_ex/103-9997430-5750203?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S00S#reader-link |
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| 00:17.47 | teknoprep | its like when you wish to be rich.. you must be poor first |
| 00:17.54 | teknoprep | to understand what you have is already enough |
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| 00:18.44 | teknoprep | is there like a quick delete option in Linux |
| 00:18.50 | teknoprep | rm -R * taking too long |
| 00:19.16 | Alphix | teknoprep: how about running the rm in the background? |
| 00:19.23 | LSorensen | Azar: looks cute. |
| 00:19.26 | teknoprep | well i still have to wait for it to finish |
| 00:19.37 | LSorensen | teknoprep: no short of mkfs there isn't |
| 00:19.38 | Azar | LSorensen: it surely makes a relaxed reading time |
| 00:20.02 | teknoprep | yeah i can't delete this |
| 00:20.11 | teknoprep | i am copying my raid to the master HDD for a quick backup |
| 00:20.23 | teknoprep | then copying it back when i am finished |
| 00:20.32 | LSorensen | teknoprep: why copyt it back? |
| 00:20.36 | teknoprep | to the raid? |
| 00:20.46 | teknoprep | becuase i am changing from a Raid 0 to a Raid 5 |
| 00:20.51 | LSorensen | teknoprep: oh you are moving it, setting up raid then copying back. makes sense |
| 00:20.54 | teknoprep | yup |
| 00:21.07 | onetinsoldier | anyone want to take a stab at trying to help me solve (hsync out of range) problem when i using xorg x-windows? all i can get right now is 640x480... ughh |
| 00:21.19 | abrotman | pick a better hsync rate? |
| 00:21.20 | teknoprep | cd /etc/X11 |
| 00:21.23 | Alphix | teknoprep: but why do you need the rm then? |
| 00:21.23 | teknoprep | nano xorg.conf |
| 00:21.36 | teknoprep | i have a /backup directory actually on the HDD |
| 00:21.39 | teknoprep | so if the raid fails |
| 00:21.44 | teknoprep | i am deleting the /backup |
| 00:21.45 | onetinsoldier | teknoprep: i've had a look at it |
| 00:21.47 | teknoprep | and recreating it |
| 00:21.49 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: read monitor manual (or check google to get specs) and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or -xfree86) and enter correct horizontal and vertical scan ranges this time |
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| 00:21.57 | teknoprep | i also have a backup on the network |
| 00:22.09 | teknoprep | but i don't want to wait for that to go... so i am just manually doing it |
| 00:22.15 | Azar | onetinsoldier: on the x-server reconfiguration can't you just pin the resolution you want to use? |
| 00:22.34 | smarco | hi all. when i share a dir with nfs and limit access to a specific ip, it this somewhat safe or could a intruder fake this ip? |
| 00:22.49 | teknoprep | no you can't fake TCP/IP |
| 00:22.50 | LSorensen | Azar: if it tries to do 800x600@200hz and the monitor only does up to 100 then it still won't work |
| 00:22.51 | onetinsoldier | LSorensen: it's an lcd monitor... 60 hz range only i believe. that' what i entered when i did dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 00:22.53 | teknoprep | and make a solid connection |
| 00:23.08 | teknoprep | you can only do that with UDP connection |
| 00:23.08 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: most lcd seems to handle 55 to 65 or 59 to 75 or something |
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| 00:23.18 | Azar | LSorensen: ah I thought he knows at what resolution he can go best |
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| 00:23.32 | teknoprep | smarco but it would still be best to do both IPtables restrictions and NFS restrictions |
| 00:23.38 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: always best to read the manual just in case |
| 00:23.44 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: most lcds have a range |
| 00:23.53 | onetinsoldier | Azar: i entered in nothing but 1600x1200 to start off with.that's my monitors native resolution and what i'd like to run it at. |
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| 00:24.06 | teknoprep | although its included in the kernel IP SPoof protection |
| 00:24.07 | smarco | teknoprep: will do, thanks alot |
| 00:24.11 | teknoprep | np |
| 00:24.15 | teknoprep | smarco |
| 00:24.26 | teknoprep | still by far.. the only secure way is to make ppl VPN in |
| 00:24.30 | teknoprep | this way you only open 1 hole |
| 00:24.32 | Azar | onetinsoldier: the general usage for most monitors LCD or not is 1024x768 at 60hz (for my LCDs work ok) |
| 00:24.47 | teknoprep | and then you can still make them limited with IPTables from there |
| 00:24.48 | onetinsoldier | i unset all other offered resolution... and then picked 'medium' for the synch setup and entered in 1600x1200 at 60 hz as the best |
| 00:25.03 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: and it doesn't work with that? |
| 00:25.08 | Azar | onetinsoldier: I guess is up to your video rendering, not up to your monitor defaults |
| 00:25.17 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: anything useful in the log file from X? |
| 00:25.23 | teknoprep | onetinsoldier paste your xorg.conf on Pastebin.org |
| 00:25.23 | onetinsoldier | LSorensen: ok. i'll try and have a look at that |
| 00:25.26 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: what kind of monitor is it? |
| 00:25.32 | onetinsoldier | it is.... |
| 00:25.48 | onetinsoldier | a Samsung 214T |
| 00:25.53 | LSorensen | 214t samsung |
| 00:25.55 | LSorensen | oops |
| 00:26.00 | onetinsoldier | whoa! |
| 00:26.02 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 00:26.15 | Azar | onetinsoldier: one of mine is Samsung SyncMaster 711T |
| 00:26.17 | onetinsoldier | how'd you do that? |
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| 00:26.44 | teknoprep | AHHH HAHAHAH i love AD connector with winbind for AD permissions on samab shares |
| 00:26.47 | teknoprep | makes live so nice |
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| 00:27.11 | Wolever | I've just done a dist-upgrage from stable to testing, and it looks like XFree has been compleatly replaced by XOrg... Normally I woulden't mind this, but (for what ever reason), XOrg does not like my three displays (and does not load at all on any of them). Try as I might, I can't find XFree binaries anywhere (despite chosing the xserver-xfree86 option). Any ideas on how I can get them back? |
| 00:27.44 | Azar | never heard of: I upgraded to testing and still using xfree86 |
| 00:27.52 | teknoprep | lol |
| 00:27.52 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: horizontal should be 30-81, and vertical should be 56-75 |
| 00:28.02 | Azar | xorg does not magically install with etch |
| 00:28.09 | Azar | .. or does? |
| 00:28.22 | LSorensen | Azar: x never installed magically on any debian |
| 00:28.30 | onetinsoldier | ahhh, dang! i thought those kinds of settings would only be for CRT monitors.... hmmm |
| 00:28.31 | LSorensen | Azar: apt-get install xorg might solve it though |
| 00:28.33 | Wolever | Azar: Yea, I didn't think it would either. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling xserver-xfree86, but still nothing works =\ |
| 00:28.38 | Azar | :) so I was right, thank you LSorensen |
| 00:28.41 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: nope. still useful. what video chip? |
| 00:29.06 | LSorensen | Azar: it might replace xfree86's meta package and upgrade that way though. |
| 00:29.22 | Azar | Wolever: after a dist-upgrade to testing, you might want to get a fresh new kernel too, just for the fancy, then tinker and reconfigure your X |
| 00:29.30 | _ericb | hi all |
| 00:29.43 | onetinsoldier | LSorensen: Radeon X800XT PE |
| 00:29.56 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: some crap onboard chips can't do more than 1152x864, but that one should be fine |
| 00:29.56 | Wolever | I'd upgraded to a 2.6 kernel before I went to testing... Should I still grab a new one? |
| 00:30.10 | Azar | not sure if the nvidia driver needs worked on after an upgrade, I do not remember doing it |
| 00:30.11 | LSorensen | Wolever: worth having 2.6.15 or 2.6.16 (whichever is current in etch) |
| 00:30.20 | onetinsoldier | LSorensen: roger... |
| 00:30.25 | Wolever | LSorensen: Alright, I'll do that. Thanks |
| 00:30.28 | Azar | 2.6.15 is quite stable |
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| 00:30.40 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: not that ati ever is easy to make work right on linux |
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| 00:31.45 | onetinsoldier | lol... well, it's my first time to try and get X working with an ati card. when i was alinux user years ago i had nvidia cards |
| 00:32.02 | chealer9 | Wolever: note that xserver-xfree86 is nothing more than a transitional package in Etch |
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| 00:32.37 | Wolever | Yea, I've just installed xserver-xfree86, but when I go to /usr/X11R6/bin/ (woah, I didn't know that'd tab-complete on irssi... Neat), there is just an Xorg binary and /etc/X11/X is a link to /bin/true |
| 00:32.38 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: ati is simple, if you don't need all the advanced stuff from the proprietary drivers just use the radeon driver. |
| 00:32.43 | Tenkawa | Anyone know a good guide for building a compact flash bootable debian instance? |
| 00:32.44 | cliffd | Im trying to install sarge from CD and it says its not detecting my network card, I have an nforce 4 chip set, so I would assume forcedeth? but its failing to load the module. any idea? |
| 00:33.00 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: that is what I use on all my ati hardware except my gaming box. |
| 00:33.01 | Tenkawa | cliffd: nope. the nforce4 one uses a new driver |
| 00:33.13 | cliffd | Tenkawa: do you know what I can do? |
| 00:33.15 | Tenkawa | rather a newer one |
| 00:33.20 | Tenkawa | I'm trying to think |
| 00:33.29 | Tenkawa | I have on on my dual core amd64 |
| 00:33.43 | Tenkawa | cant remember how I fixed it |
| 00:34.13 | Tenkawa | I might have to fire up that box |
| 00:34.19 | abrotman | bah .. when you get a Regatta .. give me a call ... |
| 00:34.25 | Tenkawa | but its currently running xp |
| 00:34.27 | VictorI_ | anyone know off hand on how to resize 'windows' in screen? |
| 00:34.35 | cliffd | Tenkawa: I would really appreciate it. Im dumb about debian. |
| 00:34.44 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: thanks. cool. i was going to try and see if i could get ati's proprietary driver working at some point. but for right now i just wanted to use the..what's it known as? dri? |
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| 00:35.10 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: the radeon driver |
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| 00:35.28 | onetinsoldier | roger.. but i have seen people refer to 'dri' |
| 00:35.41 | myboxen | you do need to enable that yea |
| 00:35.49 | myboxen | are you using xorg or XFree |
| 00:35.51 | onetinsoldier | i have drm and radeon compiled as modules |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | !tell Saais about away |
| 00:36.00 | stew | !dri |
| 00:36.01 | dpkg | methinks dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 00:36.05 | abrotman | Saais: PLEASE turn that off |
| 00:36.10 | onetinsoldier | stew: thanks! |
| 00:36.11 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: gimme a sec, ill brb |
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| 00:36.33 | cliffd | what version of the kernel does sarge use? |
| 00:36.40 | Tenkawa | cliffd: fairly old |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
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| 00:36.48 | abrotman | there are backports for newer |
| 00:36.52 | abrotman | not officially though |
| 00:36.56 | Saais | abrotman, extremely sorry, im on about 7 servers so I just type /allserv away. :/ |
| 00:37.04 | cliffd | abrotman: do I get to pick 2.6.8? |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | Saais: so configure your client to turn off public announcement |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | cliffd: you can .. yes |
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| 00:37.40 | teknoprep | for a 3hdd raid system.. is it best to go with raid 5 ? |
| 00:37.46 | cliffd | abrotman: is it an option in the install? thanks. |
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| 00:38.01 | teknoprep | yo |
| 00:38.08 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 00:38.09 | teknoprep | what is the fastest and still stable FS ? |
| 00:38.19 | cliffd | teknoprep: XFS? |
| 00:38.20 | teknoprep | is reiserfs faster then ext3 ? |
| 00:38.22 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 00:38.25 | teknoprep | XFS is fast? |
| 00:38.39 | onetinsoldier | reiser is supposed to be faster |
| 00:38.47 | iter | 10000 rpm disk > * |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | cliffd: yes |
| 00:38.49 | LSorensen | cliffd: kernel version is a boot option for the installer. install26 installs 2.6.8, install or enter with nothing does 2.4.27 |
| 00:38.52 | cliffd | teknoprep: not sure, never testing it but Ive been using it on my raid and its solid. fast enough that I dont notice it being slow. |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | !tell teknoprep about fs comparison |
| 00:39.01 | LSorensen | teknoprep: xfs is also very buggy in some 2.6 kernel versions |
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| 00:39.06 | iter | basically your fs isn't going to be noticable |
| 00:39.11 | cliffd | LSorensen: thanks much |
| 00:39.14 | teknoprep | ok mang |
| 00:39.19 | abrotman | iter: 15000 RPM disk > * |
| 00:39.20 | teknoprep | what about stability? |
| 00:39.21 | LSorensen | teknoprep: ext3 is fast enough for me and reliable. not what I can say about reiserfs or xfs., |
| 00:39.24 | iter | I mean really let's see a time ls in a big dir |
| 00:39.24 | teknoprep | is reiserfs stable? |
| 00:39.30 | iter | over various file systems |
| 00:39.38 | teknoprep | ok i'll stay with ext3 |
| 00:39.42 | iter | I bet it's like .005% difference |
| 00:39.54 | iter | abrotman: point taken |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | !tell iter about fs comparison |
| 00:39.55 | LSorensen | teknoprep: I have tried running reiserfs and xfs. I don't on any system anymore |
| 00:40.03 | cliffd | iter: unless someone is doing massive amounts of little writes and little reads it will never add up to anything that matters. stability is more important I think. |
| 00:40.07 | iter | LSorensen: exactly |
| 00:40.15 | iter | your fs is pretty darn important |
| 00:40.21 | iter | why go for bleeding edge speed |
| 00:40.24 | cliffd | I was having lots of FS corruption with reiserfs 3 after about 600gb |
| 00:40.30 | LSorensen | iter: I like my data. I also don't like my machine to lockup in the fs code |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | if you read those links .. reiser isn't that fast |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | ext3 seems to be pretty darn fast .. and certainly more stable |
| 00:40.53 | LSorensen | iter: I have run 1.5TB ext3 drives, with no problems. I wouldn't dare put that data on the others yet |
| 00:40.57 | cliffd | switched to XFS about 6 months ago and its been solid at over 1tb |
| 00:41.04 | iter | I would be ok with a 3-5% performance hit for stability |
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| 00:41.09 | LSorensen | iter: which kernel for xfs? |
| 00:41.21 | LSorensen | iter: I tried the early 2.6 kernels, and gave up around 2.6.10 and went to ext3 |
| 00:41.27 | iter | dunno I seriously wouldn't touch xfs |
| 00:41.31 | iter | it's nice in theory |
| 00:41.36 | iter | maybe in like 10 years |
| 00:41.37 | LSorensen | iter: oops I meant cliffd |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | iter: don't tell SGI that .. |
| 00:41.59 | cliffd | LSorensen: Im using 2.6.15 r 15 gentoo right now for the xfs raid |
| 00:42.01 | LSorensen | abo: what do they care? they are having enough issues |
| 00:42.04 | iter | yeah irix has had xfs for like 10yrs eh |
| 00:42.27 | LSorensen | cliffd: ok. good to know the newer 2.6 seem to have got it working. in 2.6.8 xfs on lvm on software raid1 was a total disaster |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | LSorensen: i meant that IRIX .. their flagship OS uses XFS .. and is really good on IRIX(on Linux is another story) |
| 00:42.37 | LSorensen | iter: true. my sgi runs xfs |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | i think longer than 10 years |
| 00:43.11 | abrotman | well .. wait .. |
| 00:43.12 | cliffd | LSorensen: I dont have lvm in the mix, but im using mdadm for the raid. |
| 00:43.16 | iter | but the overarching point is that data is way more valuable than a lil overhead |
| 00:43.23 | LSorensen | cliffd: yeah I am not sure if lvm was making things worse. |
| 00:43.44 | stew | i only ran xfs for about 20 minutes, and the filesystem became currupt pretty much instantly |
| 00:43.44 | iter | abrotman: I would guess 7-10 yrs |
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| 00:43.50 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 00:43.54 | LSorensen | iter: probably. |
| 00:43.58 | stew | however i later found out that i had lost a drive fan and the disk had overheated :) |
| 00:44.00 | teknoprep | i create a raid with mdadm but it doesn't get saved |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | iter: i'm sure it's longer than 7 years .. |
| 00:44.02 | teknoprep | when i reboot |
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| 00:44.11 | LSorensen | teknoprep: check the mdadm.conf |
| 00:44.21 | LSorensen | teknoprep: you can list which drives to activate raid on at boot |
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| 00:44.22 | abrotman | iter: Development of XFS was started by Silicon Graphics, in 1993, with first deployment being seen on IRIX 5.3 in 1994. |
| 00:44.31 | syl | hi everyone ! |
| 00:44.36 | iter | ho snap |
| 00:44.40 | iter | 13 yrs |
| 00:44.44 | LSorensen | teknoprep: newer kernels with initramfs seem to just auto start all raids which is handy |
| 00:44.50 | LSorensen | abrotman: hmm, 12 years? |
| 00:45.17 | teknoprep | LSorensen i just enabled the services in /etc/init.d to start at boot up |
| 00:45.21 | abrotman | LSorensen: 12-13 .. yeah .. i thought it was new for the 6.x tree .. but i guess not |
| 00:45.21 | cliffd | ok, so am I stuck with the 2.6.8 kern, or can I update to say 2.6.11 I have some hardware that needs 2.6.11? |
| 00:45.22 | teknoprep | LSorensen maby that will help |
| 00:45.26 | iter | I mean I like the idea of sexy new file systems alright |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | !tell cliffd about backports |
| 00:45.33 | LSorensen | teknoprep: check the madm conf though. might have something to do with it too. |
| 00:45.34 | iter | but not enough to put stuff on em |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | iter: zfs! |
| 00:45.44 | iter | exactly |
| 00:45.50 | LSorensen | cliffd: better go to the 2.6.15/16 from backports.org then |
| 00:45.50 | iter | I mean I love to read that ish |
| 00:45.56 | syl | I have a question.. kind of a newbie one but.. i guess this is a place to ask, no ? |
| 00:46.00 | cliffd | LSorensen: thanks |
| 00:46.05 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: you get your answers |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | syl: just ask |
| 00:46.10 | cliffd | abrotman: thanks. brand new to debian, as you can see. |
| 00:46.33 | rxed | Is it a good idea to connect two directional antennas on one AP and point them in two different directions? |
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| 00:46.38 | abrotman | cliffd: the backports.org should have a 2.6.15 or 2.6.16 |
| 00:46.48 | cliffd | abrotman: and I can just install it as a deb package? |
| 00:46.54 | LSorensen | rxed: who knows. |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | rxed: depends on the AP |
| 00:46.57 | syl | thx abrotman ! i got my CPU working 100% on a simplegrip operation (during encodding oggs, mostly).. the question is.. |
| 00:47.00 | abrotman | cliffd: the instructions are there |
| 00:47.01 | teknoprep | hey whats the command to startup services in Debain for boot up? |
| 00:47.07 | teknoprep | the ones that are in /etc/init.d ? |
| 00:47.08 | LSorensen | rxed: I didn't think APs liked directional antennas in general |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | teknoprep: man update-rc.d |
| 00:47.16 | teknoprep | yeah thats it |
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| 00:47.30 | syl | how to "make a boundary" on the CPU use .. ? (my poor english) |
| 00:47.38 | iter | syl man nice |
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| 00:47.46 | rxed | abrotman: these are linksys WRT54G APs. |
| 00:47.53 | cliffd | here is another question. I only know about gentoo and redhat, extreme opposites, in debian can you recompile your kernel easily enough? |
| 00:47.55 | rxed | LSorensen: that's incorrect. |
| 00:47.57 | LSorensen | syl: not easily. and why would you want any left idle? nice on the other hand is handy to control what has priority |
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| 00:48.03 | abrotman | rxed: the manual should say |
| 00:48.04 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: yes.. i believe so. i'm about to try out the ranges that LSorensen gave mehere in just a bit |
| 00:48.12 | syl | but nice just manage priority, no ? that doesnt make the CPU work less.. no ? |
| 00:48.24 | LSorensen | rxed: no that really is what I think. I may be wrong, but it is what I think. :) |
| 00:48.24 | dvs | cliffd: Yes. There is a package which can easily do this |
| 00:48.33 | iter | syl: I guess you could underclock cpu |
| 00:48.42 | teknoprep | lol |
| 00:48.48 | teknoprep | that is sorta retarded |
| 00:48.58 | cliffd | dvs: thanks. |
| 00:49.06 | dvs | cliffd: No problem |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | !tell cliffd about kp |
| 00:49.12 | LSorensen | unless it is a P4 why would you worry about it working hard? |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | rxed: do you mean the regular antenna on it ? or special anteenaa? |
| 00:49.28 | rxed | LSorensen: no offense, but: yes, you are wrong. |
| 00:49.32 | abrotman | stupid keyboard |
| 00:49.33 | iter | I think I want a pentium d 805 |
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| 00:49.39 | iter | my computer is moaning |
| 00:49.40 | syl | .. or make him work on a 12V battery... i dont want to make it work *all time* slowly, just for some processes... |
| 00:49.47 | LSorensen | iter: p4 with a dumber name :) |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | iter: i just set one up today :) |
| 00:49.56 | iter | this athlon 2200 kinds sucks |
| 00:50.00 | iter | kinda* |
| 00:50.08 | rxed | abrotman: directional antenna is not what ships with WRT54G. These are special high gain directional antennas. |
| 00:50.16 | iter | LSorensen: and a lot of O/C potential |
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| 00:50.28 | iter | like 3.6G with a $50 zalman |
| 00:50.36 | abrotman | rxed: then you should call the manuf .. or maybe ask #hardware .. it's pretty much totally unrelated to Debian |
| 00:50.40 | LSorensen | iter: until intel gets the core chips out I still won't buy their chips. the celeron and p4 are both crap designs in my book. I have never bought either. my last intel purchase was a ppro 200. |
| 00:50.44 | seb- | holy smokes...debian defaults to postgresql instead of mysql |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | seb-: as it should |
| 00:51.01 | iter | I think mine was the P200 MMX :) |
| 00:51.09 | LSorensen | seb-: it doesn't instll either by default |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | i'm actually kind of shocked Debian still ships MySQL because of the idiotic license |
| 00:51.17 | rxed | abrotman: I know, I know... it's just that there is so many geniouses in here... I guess, debian == higher IQ :-) |
| 00:51.17 | LSorensen | iter: that is very differnt than the ppro. |
| 00:51.31 | LSorensen | seb-: postgresql is however a much better choice |
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| 00:51.47 | iter | postgresql runs like turds until you optimize it |
| 00:52.00 | iter | replication, it's easy |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | no |
| 00:52.14 | seb- | abrotman: mysql is like more popular n stuff |
| 00:52.16 | LSorensen | iter: mysql only has replicatino on their slow crap backend |
| 00:52.25 | LSorensen | seb-: so is windows... |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | seb-: windows is more popular than linux .. |
| 00:52.37 | syl | dont want to bother... nice is for priority, but will this make the CPU work less on the task ? -i mean les often-- ? in fact i got a problem of cpu burning because of it... |
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| 00:53.07 | syl | freezing every 5 minutes working... |
| 00:53.10 | LSorensen | syl: unless your case/cpu/etc is misdesigned/configured, it isn't a problem. it is NOT the OSs job to deal with such problems |
| 00:53.16 | iter | syl sounds like you got hw issue if your cpu overheats that much |
| 00:53.26 | onetinsoldier | LSorensen: omg, i am doing a reconfigure of xorg now, and i pick 'advanced' this time and the ranges you gave are the defaults in there. wish i would have tried advanced before. |
| 00:53.26 | iter | is it in a sauna or something? |
| 00:53.33 | syl | no, no, i clean the fans |
| 00:53.36 | tuv | i can see there are sun-java5-* packages in unstable now :) |
| 00:53.42 | LSorensen | onetinsoldier: it probably asked the monitor |
| 00:53.51 | evilgeek | LSorensen: random, unrelated question, but are you lsorense@csclub? |
| 00:53.56 | LSorensen | tuv: did sun change the license recently? |
| 00:53.57 | onetinsoldier | ya.. probably. that's what i was thinking |
| 00:53.59 | LSorensen | evilgeek: yes |
| 00:54.00 | seb- | abrotman: mysql is gpl'd what's wrong with that license? |
| 00:54.01 | stew | tuv: no there aren't |
| 00:54.03 | parsonsd | syl - try `sleep` |
| 00:54.12 | abrotman | seb-: no .. it's not |
| 00:54.13 | syl | ts not a pb of OS but of programs using CPU... |
| 00:54.27 | seb- | abrotman: what is it then? |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | seb-: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
| 00:54.30 | tuv | stew, unstable.. check the mirror http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/non-free |
| 00:54.37 | parsonsd | syl, the manpage isnt much, but then again, there might be an analogous function in your shell |
| 00:54.38 | stew | tuv: for what package name? |
| 00:54.40 | syl | so im not asking for a hw help..but how to cool down the use of CPU |
| 00:54.46 | LSorensen | syl: if the system can't run at 100% cpu continuously, it is broken |
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| 00:54.59 | tuv | stew, sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-jdk, ... etc. |
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| 00:55.07 | stew | !+info sun-java5-bin unstable |
| 00:55.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:55.15 | syl | ok, i can read man pages... u mean for *nice* ? |
| 00:55.26 | tuv | stew, they aren't in packages.debian.org yet! |
| 00:55.31 | seb- | abrotman: dual licensing...but still gpl compatible! |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | seb-: not quite .. |
| 00:55.59 | abrotman | seb-: it's got conditional licensing |
| 00:56.11 | tuv | stew, maintainer doko@ubuntu.com |
| 00:56.29 | parsonsd | syl - i'm not sure who you are talking to, but i meant the manpages for `sleep`; you might want to rig something with a shellscript to put the pid to sleep for some period of time |
| 00:56.33 | stew | tuv: they aren't here either: http://incoming.debian.org/REPORT |
| 00:56.35 | seb- | abrotman: but those conditions are no different than any other gpl'd app |
| 00:56.41 | syl | thx all i read the man for nice and sleep (?)that's it ? |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | seb-: wrong |
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| 00:56.53 | stew | tuv: what is the source package name? |
| 00:57.02 | dpkg | Package 'sun-java5-bin' does not exist. |
| 00:57.09 | syl | dont understand *rig*..sorry |
| 00:57.24 | parsonsd | syl - `apropos sleep` or `apropos pause` |
| 00:57.30 | syl | thx |
| 00:57.39 | tuv | stew, hmm.. how do i find this one out? |
| 00:57.47 | syl | thx all bye |
| 00:57.51 | stew | tuv: apt-cache show packagename | grep -i source |
| 00:57.58 | seb- | abrotman: if they provide gpl'd versions i still don't see what the problem is...they can't constrain the GPL with extra conditions |
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| 00:58.04 | onetinsoldier | LSorensen: after doing the reconfigure i find it perhaps a little strange that thre aren't any sync ranges listed in the conf file? |
| 00:58.12 | seb- | abrotman: that is the beauty of the gpl |
| 00:58.17 | tuv | stew, sun-java5 |
| 00:58.24 | abrotman | seb-: go to #mysql .. tell them you're writing a closed source app that you intend to sell .. but you're using MySQL .. ask them which license you need |
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| 00:58.32 | abrotman | seb-: they do have two licenses .. it is not free for closed apps |
| 00:58.48 | parsonsd | syl -- 'rig: to effect; to create in a haphazard way' |
| 00:58.49 | seb- | abrotman: either is linux or any other gpl'd app..so what? |
| 00:58.51 | stew | well i be damned: |
| 00:58.52 | stew | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sun-java5/news/20060515T031031Z.html |
| 00:59.13 | abrotman | seb-: i don't think you understand how the licensing works |
| 00:59.26 | seb- | abrotman: are you going to boycott linux and openoffice ? |
| 00:59.33 | tuv | stew, don't you like the news? |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | seb-: you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about |
| 00:59.46 | stew | tuv: no |
| 00:59.53 | seb- | abrotman: the gpl was never intended to be used for closed apps |
| 01:00.07 | tuv | stew, what for? |
| 01:00.18 | seb- | abrotman: perhaps you want is under a BSD/MIT license instead? |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | seb-: you've already proven you don't know what you're talking about |
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| 01:00.35 | stew | tuv: becuase it will probably take resources / interest away from sablevm and kaffe |
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| 01:00.41 | evilgeek | stew: weird. do you know why it wasn't in non-free on an official repository before? |
| 01:00.47 | seb- | abrotman: tell me what i said that is wrong instead of just making declarations |
| 01:00.52 | seb- | unfounded |
| 01:01.07 | stew | evilgeek: /msg dpkg java licensing |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | they're not unfounded .. you already proved it :) |
| 01:01.16 | tuv | stew, it's merely packaging.. what effort does it need.. it's probably a one man job |
| 01:01.31 | seb- | abrotman: you still can't say what i said that is wrong..i know licensing as well as you |
| 01:01.42 | tuv | stew, those packages still have their advantage |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | seb-: go read the mysql site again .. you're missing something |
| 01:02.09 | abrotman | seb-: read the FAQ if you need to |
| 01:02.32 | tuv | stew, and sun's is easier to install on debian now.. that's an achievement for debian with respect to convenience |
| 01:02.35 | seb- | abrotman: they dual license mysql..you can get gpl'd code for free or pay for closed...so what? |
| 01:02.51 | abrotman | seb-: are you serious? |
| 01:03.24 | seb- | abrotman: if you read the first sentence of your FAQ you mentioned you'll see they mention dual license... |
| 01:03.25 | abrotman | seb-: you can't use MySQL if your app isn't GPLed .. and it's not even a linked-in app |
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| 01:03.28 | stew | tuv: yeah, that's the part i don't like, making it more convienient for people to use the non-free versions instead of the free versions |
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| 01:04.04 | seb- | abrotman: you can pay to make mysql part of a closed app...perhaps you should read the page again |
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| 01:04.19 | abrotman | seb-: no shit .. thank you for proving my point .. |
| 01:04.51 | seb- | abrotman: that is *more* choices than linux kernel provides...again i ask...so what? |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | seb-: no .. the kernel doesn't require you to open source your app that runs on the linux kernel |
| 01:05.06 | tuv | stew, everyone has (supposedly) his brain in his head and ought to make his own decision.. making it difficult to choose one choice is not a valid solution |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | seb-: you're still not getting it |
| 01:05.17 | azeem | the linux kernel is usually not linked to user-space applications, though |
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| 01:05.30 | abrotman | where's asuffield when i need him :) |
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| 01:05.54 | tuv | stew, otherwise there wouldn't have been a non-free section in the first place |
| 01:06.02 | stew | tuv: yes, i wish it would go away |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | seb-: you shouldn't have to pay mysql at all .. it's not linked to the database |
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| 01:06.27 | abrotman | seb-: but thier licensing says that you have to |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | seb-: the GPL makes no such stipulation |
| 01:06.49 | tuv | stew, well.. i'm thankful some of your wishes are only wishes ;) |
| 01:07.15 | tuv | stew, it's like being free is getting to be a restriction! |
| 01:07.16 | abrotman | seb-: get it now? |
| 01:07.16 | seb- | abrotman: they can't do that...they can't *add* conditions to gpl'd software |
| 01:07.30 | seb- | abrotman: they may try but FSF won't agree |
| 01:07.31 | abrotman | seb-: it's dual licensed .. don't like it .. sue mysql AB |
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| 01:07.40 | abrotman | seb-: noone has stopped them yet .. why don't you try suing them |
| 01:07.53 | stew | abrotman: mysql's licensing says you have to what? |
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| 01:08.22 | abrotman | stew: if you say .. sell a closed C++ app that runs on linux and queries a MySQL DB .. you have to pay MySQL AB |
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| 01:08.45 | abrotman | or sell a closed PHP app |
| 01:08.51 | evilgeek | stew: i mean no offence to the developers of kaffe and sablevm, but calling them "free versions" of java is a little bit much, as they cannot run everything that sun's jvm can. |
| 01:09.10 | abrotman | evilgeek: they are works in progress .. |
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| 01:09.29 | kbsa- | my ifconfig show me 'rx packets: 3854 errors: 2005' on eth0 and my connection is too slow, what could be happening ? and how can i have a solution for this problem? |
| 01:09.30 | abrotman | evilgeek: i'll agree .. i tried to run a tomcat site on a kaffe .. it blew up :) |
| 01:09.52 | evilgeek | abrotman: right, so i think it is appropriate for debian to include sun java while the other packages are still becoming usable. |
| 01:10.20 | abrotman | evilgeek: they can't .. IIRC sun's licensing forbids it in some way |
| 01:10.30 | abrotman | !java licensing |
| 01:10.30 | dpkg | read the faq at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
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| 01:10.35 | evilgeek | fine, it would be appropriate blah blah blah. |
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| 01:10.49 | evilgeek | but see the link above - there appear to exist sun java packages for debian now. |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | not quite |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | you still have to use java-package |
| 01:11.17 | dn4 | evilgeek, you have to build the package from the .bin file then install the package |
| 01:11.19 | evilgeek | i refer to http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sun-java5/news/20060515T031031Z.html, of course. |
| 01:11.44 | stew | abrotman: and you would prefer if you didn't have the option to sell a closed source app that includes libmysqlclient? |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | evilgeek: didn't they just relax the license? (the FAQ question above is old) |
| 01:11.59 | tuv | abrotman, part of the description of the new java packages: "NOTE: You must accept Sun's EULA prior to successfully installing |
| 01:11.59 | tuv | this package" |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | stew: i'd prefer to not use mysql at all :) |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | stew: you could of course write your own library if you chose to |
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| 01:12.34 | seb- | abrotman: we both agree what mysql is doing is indefensible |
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| 01:12.40 | misterjack | moin |
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| 01:12.42 | PampersBomba | moin |
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| 01:12.45 | abrotman | seb-: eh? |
| 01:12.46 | basbryan | moin |
| 01:12.48 | stoned | huh |
| 01:12.53 | stoned | wtf is a moin |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | germans |
| 01:13.06 | stew | seb-: what is indefensible? |
| 01:13.06 | stoned | moins = germans |
| 01:13.13 | tuv | abrotman, so.. i'd say it's a complete sun's java 5 |
| 01:13.13 | stoned | why is eveyrone saying 'germans' |
| 01:13.17 | seb- | abrotman: we both agree they should not and cannot no (legally) do what they're supposedly doing...(adding extra constraints to gpl'd code) |
| 01:13.22 | stoned | !moins |
| 01:13.22 | abrotman | tuv: because they just relaxed the license i think |
| 01:13.25 | stoned | !moin |
| 01:13.25 | dpkg | moin is probably http://www.plattmaster.de/moinmoin.htm |
| 01:13.28 | abrotman | seb-: they can legally do it |
| 01:13.41 | stew | seb-: why can they not add extra constratints to gpl code? |
| 01:13.44 | PampersBomba | is there a german debian channel on the freenode? |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | seb-: and they do it now .. and people pay |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | !de |
| 01:13.46 | dpkg | somebody said de was Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:13.56 | seb- | stew: the gpl simply does not allow it |
| 01:14.01 | stew | seb-: oh wait |
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| 01:14.06 | seb- | abrotman: what i told stew |
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| 01:14.18 | stew | seb-: you are saying they took code that was already gpled then added extra restrictions |
| 01:14.20 | azeem | seb-: it's dual-licensed I guess |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | seb-: then sun MySQL |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | err sue |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | it is dual licensed |
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| 01:14.33 | tuv | abrotman, is there any news on that? |
| 01:14.34 | azeem | seb-: this is exactly the same as with TrollTech an Qt, FWIW |
| 01:14.36 | seb- | stew: that is what abrotman is claiming |
| 01:14.45 | stew | seb-: or are you saying that they took code they own the copyright to and released it under a modified gpl (there is a big difference) |
| 01:14.51 | abrotman | i'm saying it's dual licensed |
| 01:14.51 | azeem | tuv: not yet |
| 01:15.02 | stew | seb-: they cannot do the former, but the can do the latter |
| 01:15.03 | richiefrich | grapefruit, hi |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | stew: mysql.com/licensing |
| 01:15.06 | grapefruit | hey |
| 01:15.06 | tuv | abrotman, azeem: hmm.. just found this: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/05/1215217&from=rss |
| 01:15.09 | seb- | stew: tell abrotman that |
| 01:15.15 | seb- | stew: i agree |
| 01:15.15 | stew | azeem: grapefruit is a repeat troller |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | seb-: so i'll see your lawsuit next week then? |
| 01:15.23 | richiefrich | grapefruit, lol |
| 01:15.30 | azeem | tuv: sigh |
| 01:15.31 | richiefrich | grapefruit, your known |
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| 01:15.46 | abrotman | you're |
| 01:15.48 | stew | grapefruit: do you have a debian related question? or are you just here to troll? |
| 01:15.59 | grapefruit | stew: i have some questions about ubuntu yes |
| 01:16.00 | evilgeek | you can take GPL'd code and add extra restrictions. |
| 01:16.04 | abrotman | tuv: that's what i was referring to |
| 01:16.05 | seb- | abrotman, stew: SELinux is GPL'd and the creators..(Secure Computing) tried to use a patent to constrain the code...they LOST...similar situation |
| 01:16.06 | evilgeek | you just need the consent of the copyright holder. |
| 01:16.08 | stew | grapefruit: go to #ubuntu for debian questions |
| 01:16.09 | abrotman | !ubuntusmite grapefruit |
| 01:16.33 | evilgeek | stew: ? |
| 01:16.38 | abrotman | seb-: ok .. guess what .. until you do something about it .. stop whining .. mysql has dual licensed it .. noone has challenged them .. |
| 01:16.42 | seb- | evilgeek: but then you are making a new license...not using the gpl |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | seb-: you're not willing to stop them .. so what does it matter? |
| 01:16.54 | evilgeek | so? |
| 01:16.55 | richiefrich | grapefruit, lol |
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| 01:16.56 | grapefruit | I am having trouble emerging gnome in debian, can someone help me? |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | it's dual licensed .. tons of things are dual licensed |
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| 01:17.10 | abrotman | azeem: please ... |
| 01:17.22 | stew | azeem: can we just get rid of grapefruit? do you want logs of previous times he's trolled here? |
| 01:17.31 | grapefruit | stew: who are you talking about |
| 01:17.39 | grapefruit | this is my first time in the channel |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | and i think richiefrich is his friend here just to watch |
| 01:18.03 | grapefruit | abrotman: you're* |
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| 01:18.07 | richiefrich | abrotman, not true |
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| 01:18.18 | richiefrich | abrotman, u use debian |
| 01:18.23 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 01:18.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:18.24 | azeem | richiefrich: please don't feed the troll |
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| 01:20.21 | richiefrich | azeem, ok bujt whats the u thing about ? |
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| 01:21.03 | abrotman | seb-: http://www.sleepycat.com/company/licensing.html |
| 01:21.19 | meow | hi all, i upgraded to 2.6 kernel in sarge, and now i'm getting a kernel panic which i think might be related to grub not pointing to the right device. how do i make a boot disk to get in and edit the grub config file? |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | sata ? |
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| 01:21.59 | fatti | cio |
| 01:22.21 | meow | scsi |
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| 01:22.40 | seb- | abrotman: ok, saw it...sleepycat dual licensing DB software |
| 01:22.43 | shogunx | richiefrich proper english is the language of choice... not lEEt spEEk. thats what the u thing is about. |
| 01:22.59 | richiefrich | shogunx, ooh, im lazy |
| 01:23.07 | richiefrich | but i get you |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | seb-: see .. mysql isn't the only one |
| 01:23.19 | shogunx | richiefrich nothing wrong with lazy, however. |
| 01:23.22 | seb- | abrotman: reiserfs is another one |
| 01:23.26 | shogunx | lazy is encouraged. |
| 01:23.32 | seb- | abrotman: openoffice/staroffice |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | seb-: i wouldn't touch reiser .. that's for gentoobies |
| 01:23.34 | richiefrich | shogunx, lazy is my way |
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| 01:23.43 | seb- | abrotman: ghostscript |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | seb-: no .. open/star are different products |
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| 01:24.03 | seb- | abrotman: Qt |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | seb-: so you're going to sue them all? |
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| 01:24.19 | seb- | abrotman: see , i know some dual licensed products |
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| 01:24.34 | abrotman | seb-: but you just claimed that NOONE could dual license a GPL application |
| 01:24.54 | richiefrich | but really so i know for the nexct time, i reinstalled but i acidentally del /var (i was drunk, i know bad idea) is there a way to safe the install |
| 01:25.11 | seb- | abrotman: no i didn't...that's silly...if you thought i meant that i misspole |
| 01:25.14 | richiefrich | i tried but i couldn't |
| 01:25.17 | seb- | s/misspole/misspoke |
| 01:25.47 | seb- | abrotman: if you own the copyright you can release your code under gpl and lots of other licenses..sure |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | seb-: if you'd like .. i can paste what you said .. which shows you said that :) |
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| 01:26.20 | seb- | abrotman: ok, go for it |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | seb-: i can't paste in here :) |
| 01:26.35 | seb- | abrotman: pastebin.com |
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| 01:26.47 | abrotman | oh jeez |
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| 01:27.36 | abrotman | seb-: http://pastebin.ca/56090 |
| 01:27.46 | meow | i'm having a kernel panic, anyone know where to get the disks to boot in, so i can edit config files etc. |
| 01:27.53 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 01:27.54 | dpkg | [tetrinet] multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | seb-: read it .. then let me know what you think this time :) |
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| 01:28.43 | seb- | abrotman: where did i say you can't dual license? |
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| 01:29.13 | abrotman | i give up |
| 01:29.26 | seb- | abrotman: you still making claims without backing them up |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | i just did |
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| 01:29.48 | seb- | abrotman: i asked you for where i said something and you posted a phone book |
| 01:29.52 | Vme | hello |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | i posted the conversation |
| 01:30.01 | Vme | where do you set the SSID when you are using NDIS wrapper? |
| 01:30.10 | seb- | abrotman: all you've proven is we had a conversation...you |
| 01:30.17 | seb- | abrotman: still avoided the question |
| 01:30.18 | Vme | i have everything but a physical connection... |
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| 01:30.23 | abrotman | ask #ndiswrapper .. normally it's in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:30.25 | Vme | i'm not using any sort of encryption |
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| 01:35.07 | sanmarcos | follow abrotman's advice, he is one of the channel elders, and has super cow powers |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | i'm not that old! |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | and seb- thinks i'm an idiot! |
| 01:35.33 | rcorsaro | I have missing characters in my man pages. Is this a unicode problem? Seems like I need to install a character set or something |
| 01:35.36 | seb- | abrotman: you still putting words in my mouth i didn't say! |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | seb-: did you read the conversation again? |
| 01:35.53 | cyberyak | Can someone point me to a good resource for recovering from an apt-get upgrade failure? |
| 01:35.54 | sanmarcos | ohh |
| 01:36.01 | seb- | abrotman: did you find the specific line? |
| 01:36.04 | sanmarcos | cyberyak: apt-get -f install |
| 01:36.13 | sanmarcos | cat fight |
| 01:36.13 | abrotman | Vme: mine looks like "wireless-essid <APNAME>" |
| 01:36.25 | abrotman | cyberyak: what kind of failure ? |
| 01:37.02 | cyberyak | system crashed in the middle of the upgrade. |
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| 01:37.16 | abrotman | seb-: you claimed they couldn't add stipulations to the GPL .. but you don't like to MySQL(unless you use the mysql client libraries, which you don't have to do) .. but they still want you to buy it if your app is closed |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | cyberyak: oh .. that ought to be fun .. yes .. try apt-get -f install |
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| 01:37.53 | cyberyak | already tried that. |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | and what? |
| 01:38.04 | spaniard | i am having a problem with mailscanner and content checking |
| 01:38.06 | cyberyak | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 01:38.06 | cyberyak | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 01:38.06 | cyberyak | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 01:38.06 | cyberyak | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 01:38.06 | cyberyak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:38.17 | spaniard | whenever i turn content checking on (e.g. scanning for filetypes) it goes in an infinite loop |
| 01:38.26 | abrotman | hey .. he got 5 lines in! |
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| 01:38.48 | spaniard | whatever mail comes (attachment or not) in it will just pick it up as dangerous content and loop |
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| 01:38.59 | cyberyak | guessing I should have read the rules |
| 01:39.03 | cyberyak | sorry about that. |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:40.31 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:41.55 | seb- | abrotman: those other duallicensed businesses aren't adding conditions to gpl...it sounds like *this* is what mysql is doing that is different right? |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | seb-: it just sounds bad to me :) |
| 01:42.47 | rxed | oh crap. Can ipw2200 (intel 802.11.b/g) support rfmon? |
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| 01:42.54 | abrotman | ask #ipw2200 |
| 01:43.03 | rxed | wrong chan. eh. |
| 01:43.29 | rxed | join #ipw2200 |
| 01:43.32 | rxed | darn. |
| 01:43.34 | rxed | :) |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | seb-: i'd be interested to hear what sales would say if you told them you were using LGPLed ODBC drivers to connect to a MySQL server from your closed app .. would they say you need to buy a license? |
| 01:43.49 | rxed | haha... two users in that chan. no ops. |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | #ipw2100 ? |
| 01:44.04 | rxed | join #ipw2100 |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | dude |
| 01:44.10 | rxed | I know I know |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | that's twice |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | no more meds for you |
| 01:44.16 | rxed | what can I say?! |
| 01:44.20 | rxed | :) |
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| 01:44.52 | seb- | abrotman: well as long as we don't statically compile against MYSQL's GPL'd code we can tell them to take a hike! |
| 01:44.56 | cyberyak | so did my illegal paste come through before I was kicked? |
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| 01:45.55 | abrotman | seb-: try it .. see what they say |
| 01:45.57 | seb- | abrotman: if they are playing on peoples' ignorance of preemptiveness of GPL that is bad |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | seb-: ask them .. |
| 01:46.33 | rxed | this is just great. fantastic. wonderful. |
| 01:46.38 | spaniard | anyone have any ideas why it is looping? |
| 01:46.48 | seb- | abrotman: i first want to see where they claim to add extra constraints *TO GPL'D VERSION* |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | cyberyak: of course not |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | seb-: we should stop before i start saying really mean things :) |
| 01:47.40 | cyberyak | the error I'm concerned with is dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: newline in field name `nupRows()' |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | cyberyak: back that up .. then copy the available-old to available |
| 01:48.49 | seb- | abrotman: i think i know why you are frustrated |
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| 01:49.16 | abrotman | seb-: because i'm talking to you? :) |
| 01:50.33 | seb- | abrotman: i think when i use certain phrases i mean something different than you think i do.....so from your end it looks like i'm being really lame |
| 01:50.52 | abrotman | seb-: it doesn't look like it .. you are! :) |
| 01:51.24 | seb- | abrotman: my guess is that we both interpret "add extra constraints to GPL" differently |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 01:51.51 | seb- | abrotman: hence when i say that i nearly burst one of your blood vessle |
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| 01:52.06 | abrotman | seb-: i'm perfectly fine |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | seb-: if i didn't curse at you .. you're all good :) |
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| 01:53.17 | krogers | i used iwconfig to enter my SSID |
| 01:53.31 | krogers | if i reboot, will that have the same SSID for wlan0 |
| 01:53.32 | krogers | ? |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | you can check in /etc/network/interfaces i think |
| 01:54.11 | stew | krogers: no, you have to put it in /etc/network/interfaces ; man wireless ;man interfaces |
| 01:54.35 | krogers | hrm |
| 01:54.57 | krogers | i had it in my /etc/network/interfaces and did a /etc/init.d/networking restart and it wouldn't come up |
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| 01:55.31 | krogers | wireless_essid linksys |
| 01:55.46 | krogers | do i need to have iwconfig for that command to work? |
| 01:56.02 | abrotman | krogers: is there more than one available ? |
| 01:56.18 | Minerale | what dns tool may I use to lookup mx records for domains? I tried apt-get install dig but that failed |
| 01:56.37 | cyberyak | thanks abrotman |
| 01:56.42 | abrotman | cyberyak: all good ? |
| 01:56.44 | krogers | not without encryption |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | Minerale: dig |
| 01:56.49 | cyberyak | trying now. |
| 01:56.52 | krogers | hrm |
| 01:56.56 | krogers | i might have the wrong variable |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | !tell Minerale about search |
| 01:57.07 | krogers | in the man file it shows wireless-essid |
| 01:57.12 | krogers | not wireless_essid |
| 01:57.17 | stew | krogers: either works |
| 01:57.21 | shogunx | Minerale its either nstools or nsutils iirc. |
| 01:57.38 | krogers | well |
| 01:57.42 | krogers | then that isn't it |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | seb-: maybe you could ask the debian-licensing list to clarify the mysql licensing stuff |
| 01:58.21 | cyberyak | seems to be upgrading right now. |
| 01:58.25 | cyberyak | :D |
| 01:58.49 | Minerale | abrotman: is dig in stable? |
| 01:59.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | !find bin/dig sarge |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | !tell Minerale about search |
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| 01:59.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (6): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/var/list/.bin/digest) in mail/smartlist ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4 ;; (/usr/bin/{digitemp_DS2490|digitemp_DS9097|digitemp_DS9097U}) in electronics/digitemp. |
| 02:00.17 | Minerale | ah, dnsutils, thanks |
| 02:00.31 | Minerale | searching for dig gave me a huge resultset |
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| 02:07.00 | cyberyak | and such nice messages "Reboot as soon as this install is finished (Do not reboot right now, since you may not be able to boot back up until installation is over, but boot immediately after). I can not stress that too much. You need to reboot soon." |
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| 02:07.23 | cyberyak | you don't get nice messages like that in a windows update |
| 02:07.37 | cyberyak | and it seems like it is working. |
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| 02:08.51 | mo1991 | can someone help me in creating a bittorrent 4 deb for amd64? On the bittorrent site there are no bittorrent debs for amd64 |
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| 02:09.30 | ahewitt | does anyone have an idea as to how I can -exec a tar and gzip in a single command using find? I can run just tar and it all works, but I have been pulling my hair out trying to get it to gzip as well...I have also tried xargs with no success as well |
| 02:09.43 | MaliutaWrk | anyone here good with apt-build? |
| 02:09.48 | rxed | Is there a kismet GUI? |
| 02:10.00 | abrotman | ahewitt: tried the -exec part of find ? |
| 02:10.17 | MaliutaWrk | I am having issues with it returning "Unable to find source information for xfwm4 at /usr/bin/apt-build line 477." errors |
| 02:10.28 | ahewitt | abrotman: yeah...it says that in my question :P |
| 02:10.53 | seb- | hey what is /var/lib/dpkg/info for? |
| 02:10.59 | abrotman | ahewitt: sorry .. thought it was a typo :) |
| 02:11.10 | ahewitt | abrotman: heh..np |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | ahewitt: find . -name *.tar.gz -exec tar -zxf '{} |
| 02:12.14 | abrotman | ahewitt: find . -name *.tar.gz -exec tar -zxf '{}' \; ? |
| 02:12.32 | abrotman | zamaliphe: thank goodness .. seb- has been crying since you left |
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| 02:13.18 | zamaliphe | abrotman: O:O |
| 02:13.26 | zamaliphe | abrotman: lol |
| 02:13.27 | seb- | abrotman: yea, i'm crying cuz you wont' tell me what /var/lib/dpkg/info is for |
| 02:13.40 | abrotman | seb-: do you want me to tell you? |
| 02:13.45 | seb- | abrotman: yes |
| 02:14.01 | abrotman | seb-: it's all the control files for the packages |
| 02:14.24 | seb- | abrotman: apt-get --purge remove didn't get rid of guys in there |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | seb-: no .. it won't |
| 02:14.53 | seb- | abrotman: what if i nuke them myself? |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | seb-: you mean .. if the package is already uninstalled? |
| 02:15.08 | icyfire0573 | With DHCPD3 is there a way to tell what clients have been given IP addresses? |
| 02:15.12 | seb- | abrotman: yes |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | seb-: i can't imagine there'd be a problem .. but i've never tried it |
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| 02:16.55 | cyberyak | now for the init 6 Let's hope this works. |
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| 02:18.15 | D13GU___ | hi all! how to configure Serial Mouse on Xfree86 ? |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | pick the device it's attached to when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:19.37 | Minerale | if I dig mx somehost.com --- can I reasonably expect that the mx hosts I get will receive smtp email ? |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | assuming they're accepting mail ... |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | and you hav ea good route .. |
| 02:20.13 | abrotman | and you're not spam |
| 02:20.35 | shogunx | or at least not thought to be spam by some bastard rbl list. |
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| 02:21.22 | abrotman | shogunx: RBLs are awesome! |
| 02:21.27 | shogunx | most commercial isps... earthlink, aol, etc. will think you are spam if you do not come from a business class circuit or a datacenter. |
| 02:21.40 | Minerale | abrotman: i'm a bit lost at how gatech.edu handles email, they point to mx1.gatech.edu .. but yet that host does not accept any connections on port 25 |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | shogunx: oh really .. don't tell my earthlink mail account that |
| 02:21.44 | D13GU___ | abrotman de serial mouse, the hardware input is? /dev/psaux? or ttyS0 ? |
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| 02:21.58 | abrotman | ttyS# .. i have no idea which port your mouse is on |
| 02:22.05 | D13GU___ | ok |
| 02:22.05 | shogunx | abrotman rbls cost me an extra $30 a month to have a functional mail server that reaches everywhere. |
| 02:22.10 | D13GU___ | thak you |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | shogunx: spammer! |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | shogunx: i'm all for them :) |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | shogunx: works great for blocking AOL machines that have viruses :) |
| 02:22.55 | shogunx | i am not a fucking spammer, and have never had an open relay. its extortion. |
| 02:23.06 | abrotman | shogunx: we don't pay extra .. we've no problems |
| 02:23.21 | shogunx | abrotman are you running a mail server from a cable modem? |
| 02:23.27 | abrotman | shogunx: nor would i ... |
| 02:23.28 | shogunx | on a dhcp address? |
| 02:23.45 | abrotman | right .. so you don't have a static .. and i should just accept mail from you ? |
| 02:23.53 | shogunx | abrotman when thats all you have, thats all you have, you know? |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | you're no better than an AOL user |
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| 02:24.00 | Minerale | you can't have an email from cable anymore !@#* ... most isp's block those emails anyways |
| 02:24.05 | abrotman | shogunx: why not smarthost through your ISP ? |
| 02:24.16 | shogunx | abrotman i've got lots of statics, but i had to pay for them. |
| 02:24.38 | shogunx | abrotman, except for the 3 /48's of ipv6 i have. those were free:) |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | shogunx: why can't you use yoru ISPs smtp server? |
| 02:25.24 | shogunx | abrotman smarthost through the isp? why do i need them? had i wanted to, i could have tunneled to the NAP in atlanta by brother in law owns. |
| 02:25.37 | shogunx | abrotman why do i want to, when i have my own? |
| 02:25.41 | yawg | what are the minimum system requirements for running a graphical desktop environment with debian? |
| 02:25.43 | cyberyak | actually, barring complete failure, I'm not certain that I will have a clue that I have recovered and successfully upgraded all packages. |
| 02:25.54 | cyberyak | we'll see. |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | shogunx: you're defining how a spammer works .. i'm not blaming you .. but the typical mail coming from a DHCP address is not valid mail |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | yawg: depends how fast you want it to go |
| 02:26.25 | yawg | the absolute minimum |
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| 02:26.39 | abrotman | yawg: are you serious? |
| 02:26.52 | yawg | yes, why would i ask if i wasn't serious |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | yawg: i had X going on a 486 with 36MB RAM |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | it was slow |
| 02:27.10 | yawg | what cpu speed? |
| 02:27.11 | shogunx | abrotman why should i have to deal with a bastard company who breaks the end to end design of the internet to squeeze out a few more buck from an already overpriced service? in the olden days, ip addresses and domains were free, you know, by design. |
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| 02:27.22 | yawg | what about gnome? |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | shogunx: they were also static .. and the internet wasn't a bad place to be |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | yawg: it would be slower? :) |
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| 02:28.52 | shogunx | ok, thats a valid point. but every spammer i have encountered (and i have screwed a few of them out of a decent amount of cash just on principle) had their spam servers in the phillipines or such anyway. i know because i enjoyed rooting them and flattening them. |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | shogunx: a lot of spam also comes from dialup/dynamic IPs |
| 02:29.26 | shogunx | abrotman the point is, it costs an extra $30/month for a small business to operate their own infrastrucure. |
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| 02:29.37 | shogunx | which is fucked up. |
| 02:29.49 | abrotman | shogunx: my office has a T with static IPs .. |
| 02:30.32 | abrotman | shogunx: but $30 on top of what? 150$/month ? |
| 02:30.43 | shogunx | abrotman did you always have the T? the family datacenter in atlanta has multiple oc-12's with lots of statics:) |
| 02:30.59 | shogunx | but i started with a 233 and a dialup. |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | shogunx: we had static DSL at one time .. it was flaky .. go figure |
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| 02:31.57 | shogunx | abrotman and whats funny, is i could talk to the internet society, who never filtered my mails, the ietf, and lots of interesting folks, but AOL did not want to hear from me. |
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| 02:32.13 | abrotman | shogunx: i'm sure the feeling was mutual :) |
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| 02:32.23 | itc | hello I get this error, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcap ... what shalt I install ?> |
| 02:32.24 | Gimp_ | alright, ive got a weird issue |
| 02:32.33 | shogunx | good point:) except when i wanted to talk to my anut, who didn't know any better. |
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| 02:32.37 | Gimp_ | for some reason, apt-get install php5 is saying the package does not exist. |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | itc: apt-cache search libcap |
| 02:32.49 | Gimp_ | what is the package name for php5, if "php5" isn't it |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | Gimp_: in sarge? |
| 02:33.05 | Gimp_ | abrotman: umm... not sure |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | shogunx: at least she wasn't on prodigy? :) |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | Gimp_: that's a good thing to know .. sarge doesn't have php5 by default |
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| 02:33.39 | shogunx | and its $30 on top of $50, btw. |
| 02:33.51 | Gimp_ | abrotman: alright, well, how do i know if it is sarge? and would i have to download the package myself then? |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | so it's not "business class" ... |
| 02:34.01 | abrotman | !version |
| 02:34.01 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 02:34.18 | Gimp_ | ah, it is sarge. |
| 02:34.20 | Gimp_ | alright. |
| 02:34.41 | shogunx | abrotman i actually went to the local cable operators noc and told them to pull the port 80 outbound block off their circuits or i would have longbearded old ietf wizards do it for them. |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | !tell Gimp_ about backports |
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| 02:35.01 | abrotman | shogunx: eww .. you talk to those guys? |
| 02:35.11 | shogunx | abrotman what the cable or ietf? |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | both :) |
| 02:35.27 | shogunx | i met linus at an ietf. |
| 02:35.33 | Gimp_ | abrotman: thanks! |
| 02:35.37 | shogunx | 55 in atlanta to be specific. |
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| 02:36.19 | abrotman | shogunx: what .. no geek cruise ? |
| 02:37.02 | Ugly_Duck | i have "ntfs write" enabled in the kernel, how come i cannot delete of a mounted partition? /dev/sdd1 on /mnt/sdd1 type ntfs (rw,nodev,umask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000) |
| 02:37.21 | shogunx | abrotman i went there with 2 backpacks, a sleeping bag, and camped on the conference floor. got chased around by secret service a bit too. till fred baker from cisco told them to leave me alone... that i belonged there. |
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| 02:37.45 | abrotman | shogunx: hippie! |
| 02:37.52 | shogunx | damn right! |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: your kernel knows better .. |
| 02:38.10 | shogunx | pot smoking, dreadlocked hippie at that. |
| 02:38.20 | shogunx | and proud of it:) |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | ricky williams? |
| 02:38.29 | yawg | i'm a potsmoking backpack wearing hippie! |
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| 02:38.55 | shogunx | yawg maybe ill see you at a rainbow gathering sometime. |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:39.05 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: ahh, i'm moving stuff from my ntfs drives and converting them to fat32 so i can read and write, but i wana "mv" stuff to make sure its moved over correctly |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: i was making a joke about the peril of using ntfs write |
| 02:40.03 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: hehehe.. okies, i know its not recommended, but i'm moving not writing to the partition is all |
| 02:40.28 | shogunx | abrotman if the kernel really knew better, it would just mke2fs the ntfs partition:) |
| 02:40.35 | abrotman | you're moving files to the partition .. but not writing .. |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | HTH does that work ? |
| 02:41.16 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: from the partition, but cause without write permissions its read only, when moving files from the ntfs to the fat32 it cant delete them from the ntfs patition |
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| 02:41.47 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: tell you want .. copy them all .. then just format the ntfs partition :) |
| 02:41.53 | shogunx | Ugly_Duck read the help in the ntfs rw kernel option... and all will be clear to you. |
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| 02:42.50 | Ugly_Duck | shogunx: ahh huh, okies |
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| 02:43.29 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: am coping them now, just thought that i might try rsync though, to make sure they are exactly the same on both drives before i nuke the ntfs partition |
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| 02:43.45 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: you could use tar? |
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| 02:44.03 | Gimp_ | alright, more questions, ive done an install of apache2 and php5, but i can't find the httpd.conf file, nor can i find where apache is installed |
| 02:44.04 | amanda_dolly | hello |
| 02:44.06 | Ugly_Duck | tar to move files? |
| 02:44.15 | Ugly_Duck | 250gb partition |
| 02:44.18 | abrotman | prefer netcat ? |
| 02:44.44 | abrotman | Gimp_: /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 02:45.05 | Ugly_Duck | netcat? will look that up |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: ok . you should put me on ignore .. my humor isn't registering with you |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | shogunx: i'm broken .. fix me! |
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| 02:46.33 | shogunx | abrotman my soldering iron wont reach. |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | i still need to fix that radio |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | shogunx: i have my own iron |
| 02:47.09 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: its all good, i'm half asleep any ways |
| 02:47.29 | shogunx | !beer abrotman |
| 02:47.37 | abrotman | mm .. that'll put me out |
| 02:47.53 | shogunx | abrotman you do component level repair on your gear? |
| 02:48.01 | shogunx | or just make cool stuff? |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | shogunx: computers .. no .. it's for other stuff |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | guitars mostly |
| 02:48.33 | k-man | is there some tool like dd that can give a progress count while its reading data? |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: read your backscroll damnit! |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: it would appear that way .. |
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| 02:49.42 | rockstar_ | Hey, I need some help with dchroot. Anyone have experience with it? |
| 02:49.57 | rockstar_ | I did the necessary googling for it, which is how I've gotten to this point |
| 02:50.01 | Wyzard | abrotman: I don't see anyhing about Java in my buffer, but maybe I'm just blind or it was too long ago |
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| 02:50.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe it was right before you joined .. |
| 02:50.13 | Gimp_ | abrotman: whoo! more questions. apachectl doesn't work... whats the command for stopping / starting / restarting apache |
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| 02:50.42 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 02:50.42 | lordnazgul | gimp /etc/init.d/apache stop (start or restart) |
| 02:50.47 | shogunx | abrotman i've rescued a nice scsi seagate and several mobo's with mine. |
| 02:51.02 | lindenl1 | My sylpheed claws gtk2 died again, anyone know if the bug with gtk is going to get fixed soon. |
| 02:51.09 | shogunx | amplifiers and things too. |
| 02:51.11 | lordnazgul | sorry abrotman you know too much i figured id let you concentrate on the tougher stuff ;) |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | shogunx: i guess i could .. but i'd probably get more enjoyment out of fixing an 8track player that i'd never use :) |
| 02:51.27 | shogunx | heh. |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | i think it's fun to make old stuff work |
| 02:51.53 | shogunx | its the greatest. |
| 02:51.55 | rockstar_ | lindenl1 : Bug in Debian packages? I'm not aware of any gtk bug. |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | not computer old stuff |
| 02:52.07 | shogunx | i know, any old stuff. |
| 02:52.11 | shogunx | me too. |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | i'd love to have a garage where i oculd work on a VW Thing :) |
| 02:52.31 | rockstar_ | abrotman : You work with a lot of microcontrollers? |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | you kids would never see me :) |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | rockstar_: no .. we're talking about soldering |
| 02:52.56 | shogunx | abrotman my brother had one of those... used to love taking it on the beach. |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | i want one .. bad |
| 02:53.11 | rxed | I can't apt-get 'xgps' package. I know it's packaged, but I can't find it. I tried apt-cache. Anyone knows how to get xgps? |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | i have wanted one .. since i was about 12 |
| 02:53.31 | shogunx | abrotman screw the honda then... follow your heart! |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | shogunx: no garage .. |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | shogunx: and ... snow/salt up here |
| 02:53.52 | shogunx | ahh. that would do it. |
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| 02:54.33 | jrwr | in a reg expressoin, how would i do this, look for any number in a string |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | [0-9] ? |
| 02:55.11 | gravity | [0-9]* I thought... |
| 02:55.12 | shogunx | jrwr grep [digit] perhaps? |
| 02:55.23 | Wyzard | [[:digit:]]+ |
| 02:55.23 | rockstar_ | abrotman: I have a BOE-bot with a basic stamp. Get one, it's worth it. |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | a who what? |
| 02:55.43 | lindenl1 | rockstar_: the backtrace of the SEGFAULT is in GTK |
| 02:55.54 | lindenl1 | rockstar_: sorry, caps |
| 02:55.54 | gravity | abrotman: He's telling you to buy a sex toy |
| 02:56.05 | shogunx | grep [:digit:] filename |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | gravity: it's tarzeau in disguise? |
| 02:56.20 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:56.21 | Wyzard | shogunx: I believe you need two layers of brackets |
| 02:56.21 | shogunx | Wyzard is right. |
| 02:56.24 | lindenl1 | rockstar_: might be actually a sylpeed bug I filed it in stable and in unstable |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | afaik .. you can use [0-9] or [:digit:] |
| 02:56.44 | jrwr | im under NEdit |
| 02:56.53 | Wyzard | [[:digit:]], not [:digit:] |
| 02:57.01 | shogunx | [[:digit:]] is correct. |
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| 02:57.32 | jrwr | so i put |
| 02:57.33 | jrwr | ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1 AUTO_INCREMENT=[[:digit:]] |
| 02:57.33 | lavi | hi, i want to 'man 2 signal', it output there isnt entry for it. what can i do? |
| 02:57.39 | jrwr | to find ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1 AUTO_INCREMENT=101 |
| 02:57.59 | Wyzard | Eww, MySQL :-P |
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| 02:58.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: tell seb- the mysql licensing sucks! |
| 02:58.32 | lavi | that is , which manual will be installed. |
| 02:58.54 | Wyzard | lavi: Install "manpages-dev" |
| 02:59.05 | jrwr | this sucks this thing is MASSIVE, i need a way to "weed: out that sting |
| 02:59.06 | lavi | Wyzard: thx |
| 02:59.07 | shogunx | abrotman does not stop anyone from just using it. |
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| 02:59.14 | rockstar_ | gravity: Although it certainly sounds like it's not. However, when I tell people I"m going home to play with my robot, I really can't get myself out of that one... --:o) |
| 02:59.14 | jrwr | and no GUI |
| 02:59.19 | abrotman | shogunx: yeah .. i know |
| 02:59.22 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 02:59.58 | jrwr | hrm, in Grep, how do i tell it NOT to display a sting if it macthes |
| 03:00.01 | jrwr | matches |
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| 03:00.40 | Wyzard | jrwr: -v, --invert-match |
| 03:00.55 | gravity | grep -v rules |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | -v |
| 03:01.31 | jrwr | lol |
| 03:01.58 | shogunx | no, grep -v sucks... sounds like a factiod for "start a grep war" |
| 03:02.09 | shogunx | :) |
| 03:02.15 | gravity | abrotman version 0.0.0.0.0.1betaDON'TFUCKINGTOUCHME. See GPL for licensing terms. |
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| 03:02.39 | rockstar_ | shogunx : You're on fire tonight... |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | gravity: are you saying i'm beta software? |
| 03:02.50 | jrwr | also how about line that start with a -- |
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| 03:02.54 | jrwr | lines |
| 03:02.56 | gravity | abrotman: Ah, but your'e GPL'ed |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | gravity: you have my DNA?!?! |
| 03:03.17 | jrwr | isnt it ^-- |
| 03:03.25 | rockstar_ | I think I'm alpha software being tested on faulty hardware. |
| 03:03.28 | abrotman | !regex |
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| 03:03.29 | dpkg | regex is, like, ^[$%]?s/.*[^\\\\\\\\]/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\)*/[i]?$, or |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:03.34 | abrotman | !regexp |
| 03:03.34 | dpkg | i heard regexp is [regexp] a regular expression. It is widly used in UN*X for matching strings. or see man pages regex(7) and regex(3) or a common theological proof for the existence of evil, or a subroutine in Njaard (see njaard), or man perlre |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | oh ffs ... |
| 03:03.41 | shogunx | rockstar_ i occasionally get inspired to rant poetic. |
| 03:03.57 | rockstar_ | shogunx : Like talking about the boy from Nantucket? |
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| 03:04.20 | shogunx | rockstar_ as he lifted his chin, he said with a grin? |
| 03:04.53 | jrwr | um, it removed the whole line, i want it to remove just the prase |
| 03:05.22 | abrotman | you think grep works per character ? |
| 03:05.28 | shogunx | jrwr add a -o maybe? |
| 03:06.16 | shogunx | abrotman this extracts an ip address: ip address show ppp0 | egrep -m 1 -o '[[:digit:]]+.[[:digit:]]+.[[:digit:]]+[.][ |
| 03:06.16 | shogunx | [:digit:]]+ ' > /var/dns/dns |
| 03:06.17 | abrotman | dman you! |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | damn you too |
| 03:06.36 | abrotman | wait .. can you use -v and -o together? |
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| 03:06.47 | jrwr | nope you cant |
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| 03:07.13 | abrotman | maybe it matters the order of the arguments ? |
| 03:07.14 | shogunx | jrwr try two greps with a | |
| 03:07.28 | jrwr | um how about -w |
| 03:07.45 | abrotman | how about .. read the man page .. then come back when you really can't find the answer there |
| 03:07.47 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:08.07 | shogunx | abrotman you just told him to go away for good;) |
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| 03:08.35 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 03:08.49 | rockstar_ | shogunx : That's hilarious |
| 03:09.06 | shogunx | i take a small bow. |
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| 03:09.37 | abrotman | damn the -o! |
| 03:10.05 | shogunx | :) soooorry. |
| 03:10.27 | ForrestF | well |
| 03:10.31 | ForrestF | the -o works |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | though .. i'm not really sure how it's useful .. but oh well |
| 03:11.34 | shogunx | that long ass grep line above is from a script i wrote to automate dns on a dynamic ip host acting as its own primary nameserver. |
| 03:12.29 | shogunx | in a laptop no less, on the theory that you can't kill what you can't find. |
| 03:12.57 | abrotman | they make sheetrock for that |
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| 03:13.46 | shogunx | i just could not sheetrock the phone can next to the dumpster behind the eckerds while the beige box was clipped in. |
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| 03:13.58 | abrotman | wussy |
| 03:14.24 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 03:14.24 | dpkg | hmm... bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 03:16.07 | shogunx | abrotman good thing the battery lasted 4.2 hours... long enough for all the smtp messages in que out there to retry and make it to my MX:) |
| 03:16.52 | abrotman | you know .. you can change that retry time :) |
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| 03:17.14 | shogunx | i know that now... i was neophytic then. |
| 03:17.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:17.41 | shogunx | and much younger and more brazen. |
| 03:17.48 | abrotman | you were younger then ? |
| 03:17.54 | rockstar_ | shogunx : Sounds like at some point in your life you had a problem with speed... |
| 03:18.13 | shogunx | rockstar_ never touched the stuff. |
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| 03:18.29 | Gimp_ | how do i make a symlink of a file? |
| 03:18.34 | gravity | Gimp_: ln -s |
| 03:18.50 | rockstar_ | shogunx : If you set all the DNS stuff up with grap using natural fluids, you must be kinda like God... |
| 03:18.50 | Gimp_ | gravity: thanks |
| 03:19.01 | gravity | Gimp_: I'd glance over the manpage too while you're learning that |
| 03:19.07 | abrotman | you think? |
| 03:19.10 | gravity | Just to see what else the command can do |
| 03:19.15 | abrotman | there's probably a -o !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:19.16 | shogunx | rockstar_, the mail must go through! |
| 03:19.28 | shogunx | bahahahah |
| 03:19.31 | Gimp_ | gravity: don't worry, i do, i just can never remember the commands themself. first thing i do when i learn one, is read over the man page |
| 03:19.40 | gravity | Gimp_: Cool |
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| 03:20.13 | sid | Is there any script/program to recompile gnome(all of gnome)? |
| 03:20.26 | Mulian | how can i easily connect in network a windows machine to a linux machine? |
| 03:20.29 | Mulian | using kde |
| 03:20.30 | gravity | sid: jhbuild |
| 03:20.31 | sid | Or what is the best way to compile gnome? |
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| 03:20.44 | abrotman | there used to be garnome .. |
| 03:20.49 | abrotman | sid: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 03:20.59 | shogunx | rockstar_ at the time, the ganja growing in the woods nearby was damn good tho. |
| 03:21.24 | Mulian | how can i easily connect in network a windows machine to a linux machine? |
| 03:21.42 | rockstar_ | AH! The tux odd has shined his light upon me. I did nothing, and now all of a sudden my dchroot commands started working... |
| 03:21.50 | shogunx | Mulian just the two machines? a cross connect cable. |
| 03:22.01 | Mulian | shogunx: yes, just 2 |
| 03:22.24 | Mulian | shogunx: do i have to configure something? |
| 03:22.42 | rockstar_ | Mulian: you'll need a null modem cable, duct tape, your best coding skills, four cupcakes, and a midget. |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | Mulian: network how? or for what reason ? |
| 03:22.48 | shogunx | Mulian static ip addresses on the same subnet on both hosts. |
| 03:23.07 | shogunx | rockstar_ nice. |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | i think a crossover cable is easier to get than a nullmodem cable |
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| 03:23.40 | shogunx | abrotman you can make one with a knife and a cigarette lighter in a pinch. |
| 03:23.40 | rockstar_ | Mulian: Crossover cable, set the windows box ip to 192.168.1.150, and the liux box ip to 192.168.1.151 |
| 03:24.03 | Mulian | rockstar_: kewl |
| 03:24.09 | rockstar_ | abrotman: Just saw a trailer... BAD... |
| 03:24.09 | abrotman | shogunx: the crossover or the nullmodem ? |
| 03:24.16 | shogunx | the crossover. |
| 03:24.19 | abrotman | i thought so |
| 03:24.23 | Mulian | abrotman: just connect them. i have to access the window's hard disk. |
| 03:24.27 | shogunx | probably both, actually. |
| 03:24.35 | sid | gravity what do I apt-get build-dep ... gnome is a metapackage right? |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | Mulian: but they're both on the network .. right / |
| 03:24.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:24.45 | rockstar_ | shogunx : You're a regular MacGyver |
| 03:25.00 | Mulian | abrotman: yes |
| 03:25.02 | abrotman | no .. he's a pot smoking hippie .. they do weird things with silly items |
| 03:25.15 | gravity | sid: The whole of gnome is going to be rather complicated to build from scratch without jhbuild |
| 03:25.16 | abrotman | Mulian: probably smb/cifs is easier |
| 03:25.31 | Mulian | abrotman: what is that? |
| 03:25.36 | abrotman | !samba |
| 03:25.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 03:25.39 | shogunx | rockstar_ nah... got to special order. the regular one only includes duct tape. |
| 03:25.39 | Mulian | abrotman: n00b here |
| 03:25.46 | abrotman | no kiddin .. |
| 03:26.13 | Mulian | abrotman: ok |
| 03:26.20 | Mulian | abrotman: ... |
| 03:26.28 | shogunx | Mulian apt-get install xsmbrowser to access the windows shares. |
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| 03:26.46 | abrotman | or use nautilus or konqueror |
| 03:26.49 | rockstar_ | You know what? I JUST realized that dpkg is a bot. Shoot, I was actually thinking her was just really good at knowing what packages were... |
| 03:27.05 | abrotman | not such a rockstar_ eh ... |
| 03:27.29 | shogunx | abrotman you mean like catching dinner with some string from your shirt, a safety pin, and a worm? |
| 03:27.39 | Mulian | i don't have cable. all markets closed. 4 am here. |
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| 03:27.53 | Mulian | is there a way to connect via internet? |
| 03:27.53 | abrotman | shogunx: i got arrested with a 2liter bottle, a piece of plumbing, rubber repair kit, and a tie from a sleeping bag :) |
| 03:28.04 | Mulian | like trojan or something? |
| 03:28.17 | Wolever | I've just done a dist-upgrade from stable to testing, but XOrg is telling me that it can't find a mouse (which is confirmed when I try to cat /dev/input/mice, and get "No such device"). When I `cat /proc/bus/usb/devices`, I can see that my mouse there. Any ideas where I could start fixing this? |
| 03:28.40 | abrotman | Wolever: is mousedev loaded ? |
| 03:28.47 | shogunx | Mulian the cable can be made by cutting a regualr cable in two, and swapping pins 1 and 3 and 2 and 6. the wires leading thereto actually. |
| 03:29.05 | shogunx | abrotman thats quite a mental picture. |
| 03:29.11 | Mulian | shogunx ok |
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| 03:29.17 | Mulian | shogunx thx |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | shogunx: it was a long long time ago ... |
| 03:29.21 | shogunx | n/p |
| 03:29.27 | mo1991 | I can't seem to get the azurues package to work in etch? |
| 03:29.36 | Wolever | abrotman: Ah, thats it. I wonder why it isn't autoloading anymore.... |
| 03:29.39 | mo1991 | am using amd64 |
| 03:29.42 | abrotman | shogunx: there's much more to the story ... |
| 03:29.43 | sid | Is there a script for debian for my to grab all the packages/deps I need gravity? |
| 03:29.49 | shogunx | abrotman i can imagine. |
| 03:29.54 | mo1991 | but I see there are some questions in the debian forum webpage as well |
| 03:29.54 | gravity | sid: Not for all of gnome, no |
| 03:30.04 | shogunx | and understand you nt wanting to relate it here. |
| 03:30.11 | sid | gravity: Then just the main part of gnome? |
| 03:30.34 | gravity | sid: I don't know. I've never done it. You can probably do an 'apt-get build-dep nautilus' to get most of them though |
| 03:31.07 | gravity | sid: But I think gnome needs to be built as a stack. If you're upgrading all of gnome rather than just rebuilding for fun, you need to do it in a certain order. jhbuild is created to do that |
| 03:31.15 | gravity | (note that I've never used jhbuild myself before) |
| 03:31.22 | abrotman | sid: did you ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 03:31.33 | unix_infidel | heh, gnome support on freenode blows. |
| 03:31.48 | shogunx | noshit. like the E17 libs need to be built in a certain order, then linked before building the next. |
| 03:31.49 | abrotman | unix_infidel: if i had said to use freenode .. that'd be fine .. but i didn't |
| 03:31.56 | unix_infidel | abrotman: just an fyi. |
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| 03:32.07 | unix_infidel | gnome support on irc.gnome.org is actually quite good. |
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| 03:32.09 | abrotman | unix_infidel: if you're looking for gnome support here .. you're not so bright :) |
| 03:32.17 | abrotman | here = freenode |
| 03:32.17 | unix_infidel | abrotman: good thing i dont use gnome then :) |
| 03:32.18 | TraceGreen | Hello, i have loaded alsa driver, does that mean i can use alsa? |
| 03:32.24 | gravity | shogunx: Most stacks require this sort of thing |
| 03:32.24 | Gimp_ | hm... which package would you guys recomend i use for an ftp server? |
| 03:32.28 | Gimp_ | plain ol ftpd? |
| 03:32.30 | rockstar_ | unix_infidel : Sorry, I use enlightenment |
| 03:32.31 | gravity | X certaintly does |
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| 03:32.41 | unix_infidel | rockstar_: to each his own. |
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| 03:33.32 | shogunx | gravity 6.9 build was easy easy like that... all automated. |
| 03:33.32 | rockstar_ | unix_infidel : Yeah, I know about gtk libraries, but that's about it. Can't help ya. |
| 03:33.32 | gravity | shogunx: Xorg 6.9? |
| 03:33.32 | shogunx | rockstar_ E is my wm of choice too. |
| 03:33.32 | shogunx | gravity ya. |
| 03:33.33 | rockstar_ | shogunx : Downloaded the elivecd yet? |
| 03:33.34 | gravity | heh... well it has its own problems |
| 03:33.42 | gravity | There's a modular xorg build script if you want it |
| 03:33.43 | shogunx | rockstar_ running E17 right now. |
| 03:33.50 | gravity | But most people have no use for such a beast |
| 03:33.58 | rockstar_ | shogunx : Does it seem "stable" enough? |
| 03:34.00 | shogunx | rockstar_, tho yeah, i did some time ago. |
| 03:34.21 | shogunx | rockstar_ no crashes yet, on the om cluster or my lap. |
| 03:34.33 | shogunx | rock solid. |
| 03:34.40 | rockstar_ | Wow, I think I might take a gander... |
| 03:34.46 | shogunx | i was thinking to package and up it. |
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| 03:35.19 | shogunx | i scp'd the binaries over to another dudes lap the other night, and no probs... just ran. |
| 03:35.29 | rockstar_ | shogunx : If you did, I'd want to grab it from you. |
| 03:35.49 | rockstar_ | Is it set up to package by default, or no? Is there a debian/rules, or does it take some work? |
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| 03:35.51 | shogunx | rockstar_ hows about i make a tarball, and put it on my http? |
| 03:36.06 | shogunx | so you can grab it now. |
| 03:36.15 | rockstar_ | shogunx : I can get a tarball, but if you had a .deb, I'd want to see if it worked. |
| 03:36.44 | michal_ | hi. does anyone know the best way of syncing 2 binary files over the internet where one file has had some updates? imaine somethin like a disk image around 500-600mb in size. is there anything that can synchronize them with minimum network trafic? |
| 03:36.46 | tas-- | shogunx: what is the minimum hw reqs for E17? i'm interested in trying E17, but only have old machine (P3 600 w/ 128MB RAM) |
| 03:36.47 | michal_ | trafic |
| 03:36.53 | michal_ | traffic dammit |
| 03:36.55 | shogunx | rockstar_ never deb'd anything before... what is the app to do so? |
| 03:37.02 | veamos | I see my cdrom devices aren't working on debian. can anybody help me? |
| 03:37.28 | shogunx | tas-- i'm running it on my lap 600 mhz pIII no prob. its really light. |
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| 03:38.08 | tas-- | shogunx: glad to hear that :-). ok, i'll give it a try |
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| 03:38.22 | rockstar_ | shogunx : debhelper does it, but the tarball has to have some special files in it. I haven't done it without the special rules files |
| 03:38.32 | shogunx | tas-- nice and shiny too:) |
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| 03:39.07 | rockstar_ | Glad to hear e17 is still light. That's why I use it. |
| 03:39.12 | shogunx | gravity hints on making debs? |
| 03:39.20 | tas-- | shogunx: hehe, right! i've seen the E17 demo videos, its reeaaaly cool :D |
| 03:39.23 | michal_ | so does anyone know of any binary diff program that can run without much network utilization across the internet? |
| 03:39.32 | rockstar_ | Then I have x2x running to hook over to my development box running pwm. I love pwm 'cause it's almost completely keyboard driven. |
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| 03:40.07 | acetech | how do i get the framebuffer module working in the 2.6.15-1-k7 kernel? |
| 03:40.12 | rockstar_ | michal_ : For what? svn does a good job with binary diffs over the network, but might not apply. |
| 03:40.27 | rockstar_ | acetech : What framebuffer driver? |
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| 03:40.50 | acetech | rockstar_: the vesa frame buffer module |
| 03:41.04 | michal_ | rockstar: for what i just described. let me reiterate |
| 03:41.11 | michal_ | hi. does anyone know the best way of syncing 2 binary files over the internet where one file has had some updates? imaine somethin like a disk image around 500-600mb in size. is there anything that can synchronize them with minimum network traffic? |
| 03:41.18 | rockstar_ | Hm, no experience there... Sorry. Should be pretty straightforward though. vesa is a pretty big standard driver. |
| 03:41.50 | rockstar_ | michal_ : Uh, 500-600mb? I don't think so man. |
| 03:41.58 | rockstar_ | That's huge. |
| 03:42.31 | shogunx | rockstar_ like 5 libs and e itself... all different packages or one you think? |
| 03:42.34 | acetech | rockstar_: it has to be loaded as a kernel module for booting the system with framebuffer support |
| 03:42.47 | michal_ | rocksta: it's not small. but not huge either. shouldn't need much network traffic to sync 2 files. there may only be a few megs difference between them in a few sections of the file |
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| 03:47.19 | rockstar_ | shogunx : Um, different packages, easier to upgrade |
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| 03:47.32 | xomhau | morning morning * |
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| 03:47.42 | shogunx | rockstar_ i agree. |
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| 03:48.36 | rockstar_ | michal_ : Binary diffs are wierd. I do this with svn all the time, but unless you want to set up a repository, and such, That's not the best idea. |
| 03:48.45 | xomhau | anyone,what package is lib: libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0? |
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| 03:49.16 | michal_ | rockstar; but surely there ust be a way to do such a thing. it must be a common requirement :/ |
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| 03:50.10 | rockstar_ | michal_ : What's the specific need? |
| 03:50.49 | michal_ | rockstar: to do a daily backup of a slightly chaning 500-600mb file without using much bandwidth (which costs 13 cents per megabyte) |
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| 03:52.52 | shogunx | rockstar_ looks like time to read maint-guide for me. |
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| 03:53.16 | rockstar_ | michal_ : rdiff-backup ! |
| 03:53.37 | rockstar_ | I use it at work. When you said the word backup, I remembered it. |
| 03:53.59 | michal_ | rockstar: would that work ok on just 1 big file? |
| 03:54.05 | rockstar_ | Just does a rsync differential backup, easy on bandwidth. |
| 03:54.29 | rockstar_ | michal_ : It'll work on anything, directories, whatever. There's a lot of good howtos on setting it up. |
| 03:54.38 | mebsd | i remember there was a tool to build nice looking commercial web site, what was that? it's called something Commercial |
| 03:54.49 | rockstar_ | I've got one in my sysadmin book at work, but it's at work, and I'm at home... --:o) |
| 03:54.58 | shogunx | mebsd bluefish is ok. |
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| 03:56.04 | rockstar_ | mebsd : Are you thinking about something like screem? |
| 03:56.31 | rockstar_ | shogunx : I use bluefish for php stuff at work, but sometimes it does wierd things. |
| 03:56.52 | shogunx | rockstar_ wife wife uses it for her site... loves it. |
| 03:57.01 | shogunx | my wife that is. |
| 03:57.15 | rockstar_ | shogunx : I think I'm just too picky... Maybe I should just make my own. |
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| 03:57.26 | shogunx | wife? |
| 03:57.27 | rockstar_ | Already working on a PBASIC ide. |
| 03:57.40 | mebsd | no i'm thinking about a commercial website template, which i can edit and put on site |
| 03:57.41 | shogunx | like in wierd science? |
| 03:57.47 | rockstar_ | shogunx : Made my wife already, out of play doh. |
| 03:57.52 | shogunx | heh |
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| 03:57.59 | rockstar_ | However, I might murder her soon. The sex is getting dry. |
| 03:58.32 | shogunx | apt-get install seraglio |
| 03:58.37 | rockstar_ | mebsd : Look at phpNuke, smarty, joomla/mambo, etc. |
| 03:59.53 | shogunx | rockstar_ apt-get install harem seraglio |
| 04:00.10 | bztunk | lol phpnuke |
| 04:00.19 | bztunk | !phpnuke |
| 04:00.19 | dpkg | it has been said that phpnuke is http://phpnuke.org/ |
| 04:00.57 | Wolever | Ok, so the mouse is working now, but when I try and login via GDM, I get a message saying "All updates are complete.", then a message about not being able to start my session. I am trying to start a KDE session, but the same thing happens with Gnome. When I try to startx from a terminal (logged in as my user account), Xorg tells me that it can't create a log file at /var/log/Xorg... |
| 04:01.18 | mebsd | i just need a commercial website template, so i can edit product information and put the whole site online quickly |
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| 04:02.44 | rockstar_ | !feces |
| 04:02.45 | dpkg | Feces = Tiny Little Mice (Awwww...) |
| 04:02.54 | rockstar_ | hahahahahahahaha! |
| 04:03.28 | shogunx | mebsd oscommerce or zencart should do it for you. |
| 04:03.42 | TraceGreen | Hello, does /dev/dsp must root. audio? |
| 04:04.04 | rockstar_ | mebsd: My buddy uses dreamweaver and joomla. That's what I would suggest. He's not so html/php/whateverthehellscriptinglanguageyouwant knowledgable, but his site looks good. |
| 04:04.11 | k-man | i have this issue with my server where the kernel hangs if i read large files form the ide cdrom drive |
| 04:04.20 | rockstar_ | TraceGreen : Add yourself to the audio group. |
| 04:04.28 | k-man | any idea how i could diagnose why the kernel is hanging? |
| 04:04.33 | TraceGreen | my /dev/dsp is not a symlink: crw------- 1 root root 14, 3 5 |
| 04:04.37 | shogunx | k-man no panic message? |
| 04:04.54 | TraceGreen | rockstar_, if i use root, so, there is no need to add to audio group , right/ |
| 04:05.16 | k-man | shogunx, nothing |
| 04:05.18 | k-man | it just hands |
| 04:05.28 | bztunk | TraceGreen: you shouldnt use root |
| 04:05.34 | shogunx | k-man the whole box goes unresponsive? |
| 04:05.37 | k-man | i tried seeing if any messages appear in var/log/messages and there was nothing |
| 04:05.40 | k-man | shogunx, yep |
| 04:05.50 | rockstar_ | TraceGreen : If you use root, you might as well just destroy any file permissions on your system completely... |
| 04:05.51 | bztunk | TraceGreen: and udev doesn't create symlinks for /dev/audio |
| 04:05.54 | bztunk | */dev/dsp |
| 04:05.57 | k-man | shogunx, compleetly... capslock does not respond |
| 04:06.12 | rockstar_ | chown root:audio /ev/dsp |
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| 04:06.33 | k-man | shogunx, it happens even if i do a dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null |
| 04:06.50 | shogunx | k-man thats either a kernel bug or a hardware problem. |
| 04:07.12 | k-man | shogunx, i suspect a hardware problem... but i don't know how to check that |
| 04:07.20 | k-man | memtest found no errors |
| 04:07.22 | shogunx | k-man try a different cdrom. |
| 04:07.25 | rockstar_ | k-man : Is it a stock kernel, or one you got from apt? |
| 04:07.36 | TraceGreen | rockstar_, invalid group audio. |
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| 04:07.38 | bztunk | k-man: ssh remotely? |
| 04:07.51 | bztunk | TraceGreen: what's wrong? root audio is fine |
| 04:07.55 | mebsd | rockstar_: thanks alot, good information |
| 04:07.58 | itc | hey how can I make the debian system ls with colors by default? to all users>? |
| 04:08.08 | rockstar_ | TraceGreen : Audio group is the last of your worries if you don't have an audio group. Sounds like your system is fubared. |
| 04:08.22 | shogunx | k-man like, perhpas the cd drive is overheating and causing a short or something that sends the box into protection. |
| 04:08.23 | Stevie-O | well hrm |
| 04:08.37 | bztunk | itc: it is by default, except for root |
| 04:08.50 | TraceGreen | bztunk, chown root:audio /dev/dsp: root:audio, invalid group |
| 04:08.54 | rockstar_ | mebsd : You're very welcome |
| 04:09.08 | bztunk | TraceGreen: why do you want to chown? |
| 04:09.34 | bztunk | TraceGreen: and iirc it's root.audio, not root:audio |
| 04:09.36 | TraceGreen | bztunk, I just want to use it. actually, i use pwlib to use alsa, but pwlib don't find alsa plugin. |
| 04:09.51 | itc | bztunk ic, and how can I make root to see color? |
| 04:09.52 | TraceGreen | bztunk, i also try root.audio, the same result. |
| 04:10.36 | bztunk | itc: change .bash_rc , write 'alias ls ls --color' or something like that |
| 04:10.59 | bztunk | TraceGreen: that's probably not an permissions issue |
| 04:11.04 | bztunk | TraceGreen: and i don't know what pwlib is |
| 04:11.26 | TraceGreen | bztunk, thanks. but i don't find /etc/group contain audio, does it matter? |
| 04:11.36 | rockstar_ | Man! GTKpod isn't in the 64-bit apt sources! |
| 04:11.42 | bztunk | TraceGreen: if you're root no permissions matters! |
| 04:11.47 | TraceGreen | bztunk, i use root, and i can play mp3 and load alsa module |
| 04:11.51 | TraceGreen | bztunk, thanks. |
| 04:12.42 | rockstar_ | TraceGreen : Use root sparingly... |
| 04:13.14 | menko_ | helloo, how do I change the default font? Specifically for spreadsheets and charts. |
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| 04:16.03 | bztunk | menko_: depends on the gui toolkit used |
| 04:16.11 | bztunk | menko_: what applications are you talking about? |
| 04:16.15 | bztunk | menko_: openoffice? |
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| 04:19.31 | menko_ | bztunk: oops sorry, I just copied that from what I typed in the ooo channel, yes, it's openoffice. |
| 04:20.14 | itc | hey how can I make an alias for all users? |
| 04:20.50 | bztunk | itc: change the skel in /etc/skel |
| 04:21.03 | bztunk | will only work for new users |
| 04:21.33 | bztunk | i guess you could create a symlink in all the home directories to a shared directory or something |
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| 04:22.37 | itc | bztunk there is nothing to change there |
| 04:22.44 | itc | the folder is empty |
| 04:22.45 | bztunk | there is |
| 04:22.46 | bztunk | no |
| 04:22.53 | bztunk | they are hidden |
| 04:22.55 | itc | aaaa |
| 04:22.56 | itc | :) |
| 04:23.39 | Pacman87 | hello, i've a problem whith the name of my dd |
| 04:23.57 | Pacman87 | (sry for my english) |
| 04:24.20 | Pacman87 | hda1 is the master, hda2 the slave |
| 04:24.35 | stoned | slavery is immoral |
| 04:25.12 | shogunx | stoned ergo, dns is immoral. |
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| 04:25.25 | itc | bztunk I added the aliases but is not working |
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| 04:25.32 | bztunk | itc: only for new users... |
| 04:25.34 | bwlang | Pacman87: dd is not that great... probably it's better to use cp -ax to migrate a system |
| 04:26.15 | Pacman87 | but i've 2 patiton on one disk, the first mounted has hda1 and the second has hda2 .... where is the problem ? |
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| 04:26.46 | bztunk | Pacman87: what is the problem? |
| 04:27.01 | Pacman87 | hda2 should be a disk |
| 04:27.24 | bztunk | and it's not? |
| 04:27.38 | Pacman87 | the slave one, but debian get it has the second partition of the master |
| 04:27.40 | bztunk | humm hdb should be the slave |
| 04:27.41 | menko_ | aha! I had to create a blank template with the changed font then make it the default template |
| 04:27.49 | myboxen | bah |
| 04:27.55 | myboxen | procmail install is a pita |
| 04:28.05 | bztunk | menko_: that's so microsoft word-style :( |
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| 04:28.41 | bztunk | Pacman87: you sure hda2 isn't just another partition of the master? |
| 04:28.43 | rockstar_ | myboxen : Why a pita? Odd noun to use. |
| 04:28.48 | bztunk | Pacman87: tried fdisk? |
| 04:28.52 | Pacman87 | yes it is |
| 04:29.33 | Pacman87 | but i thought thas it was the slave disk |
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| 04:32.12 | rockstar_ | Anyone know of a good VISUAL DVD creator? dvdauthor's XML is getting old... |
| 04:32.15 | Pacman87 | perhaps, hda = master hdb = slave for the first ide. and hdc=master hdb=slave of the second ide |
| 04:32.43 | Pacman87 | and the nurmber is fort the partition |
| 04:32.57 | Pacman87 | fort -t |
| 04:33.55 | myboxen | ok, so I got this chunck of packages to delete, but they are refusing to delete |
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| 04:34.12 | myboxen | errors exist, but they don't appear to be why it wont uninstall. |
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| 04:40.22 | totu | hello what does the + sign at end when using 'ls -al' mean in drwx------+ |
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| 04:40.33 | totu | just encountered this now :) |
| 04:41.45 | rockstar_ | directory with 700 permissions. User can read, write, or execute, but no one else can. |
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| 04:43.57 | Kinks | tutu: where did you see that? |
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| 04:44.25 | Kinks | err, totu* |
| 04:44.36 | totu | Kinks, one of my folders. cant remember how it got that way |
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| 04:45.16 | totu | tried googling but cant seem to find anything :) |
| 04:45.23 | hologram | evening |
| 04:45.28 | Kinks | totu: try using stat on the file and see if there's anything interesting, I don't know what it is myself |
| 04:45.31 | StereoSkit | ,dpkg keys 2006 |
| 04:46.17 | StereoSkit | ,dpkg 2006 key |
| 04:46.26 | StereoSkit | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 04:46.26 | dpkg | well, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:46.47 | shogunx | question for any package maintainer... if i got sources from cvs (as there are no tarballs available) and want to make a .deb, should I just make a tarball for dh_make? |
| 04:47.07 | shogunx | as per maintenence guide? |
| 04:47.24 | rockstar_ | shogunx : Wow, sounds like you're getting closer. |
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| 04:47.50 | k-man | rockstar_, no, ssh remotely doesn't work either |
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| 04:48.27 | shogunx | rockstar_, just reading the docs and following along. bypassed the whole new maintainers application process for mow. |
| 04:48.32 | shogunx | for now. |
| 04:48.39 | rockstar_ | I doubt that anyone in here would be able to help you though. I've never used dh_make ever, and I've just been using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
| 04:48.59 | shogunx | its interesting whats behind such an elegant system. |
| 04:49.00 | rockstar_ | k-man : WF are you talking about? |
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| 04:49.24 | Ugly_Duck | what other partition types are windows and linux friendly fat32 etc |
| 04:49.27 | shogunx | rockstar_, its like learning about the ietf standards process. |
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| 04:49.45 | totu | Kinks: are directories having 6 links normal? |
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| 04:50.00 | Ugly_Duck | faat32 dont like files over 4gb |
| 04:50.27 | totu | Kinks: dunno if this causes the '+' sign |
| 04:50.44 | shogunx | rockstar_ gravity is a maintainer... perhaps he can help... or i'll just do it my way i guess, and see what happens:) |
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| 04:51.38 | Kinks | totu: don't ask me, I don't even know what "links" refers to |
| 04:51.45 | bztunk | shogunx: of course you're going to need to supply a tarball |
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| 04:51.56 | bztunk | shogunx: or how people are going to apt-get source your package? |
| 04:51.57 | stoned | bztunk, lol tunk |
| 04:52.18 | ftsac | hi all |
| 04:52.21 | shogunx | bztunk some will have to sponsor me for the package to get into the archive. |
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| 04:52.32 | ftsac | I tried to install sarge on one amd64 box |
| 04:52.37 | shogunx | bztunk i was just going to post it on my site for now. |
| 04:52.46 | cams | hey, i'm using lftp, and i would like to get all the directories beginning with Jack* ... mget -r Jack* is not working since there"s no support of recursivity with this command. I've manned lftp ... but can't see an easy way to do that ... any ideas ? |
| 04:52.49 | ftsac | but I can't use sata drives |
| 04:53.01 | bztunk | shogunx: well, if you want to be maintenance guide right, you'll need a tarball for sure |
| 04:53.03 | Gnea | ftsac: why not? |
| 04:53.13 | ftsac | and I think debian doesn't load sata_sil |
| 04:53.20 | gravity | hrm? |
| 04:53.29 | Gnea | ftsac: it does, you need to use the 2.6 kernel and the amd64 version to boot |
| 04:53.32 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 04:53.32 | shogunx | bztunk i would prefer it that way. i should use distclean'd source, correct? |
| 04:53.32 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 04:53.41 | ftsac | it stops at detect hdd |
| 04:53.49 | bztunk | shogunx: i guess, i'm not an expert |
| 04:53.50 | ftsac | Gnea, yes |
| 04:53.53 | Gnea | check your jumper settings |
| 04:53.56 | ftsac | I use adm64 version |
| 04:54.02 | bztunk | shogunx: i just used logic for the tarball :D |
| 04:54.22 | ftsac | s/adm64/amd64 |
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| 04:54.40 | shogunx | bztunk true. e17 uses an autogen.sh, so i'm guessing i should not include my generated configure in the source package. |
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| 04:55.05 | Gnea | shogunx: are you shadoi? |
| 04:55.05 | bztunk | shogunx: im not sure either.. these are technical details |
| 04:55.09 | ftsac | but it stops when the installation partitions |
| 04:55.21 | shogunx | Gnea no, i'm shogunx. |
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| 04:55.27 | bztunk | haha |
| 04:55.30 | shogunx | some people also call me scott;) |
| 04:55.43 | Gnea | shogunx: ah ok - you do know that shadoi makes the e17 debs, right? :) |
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| 04:56.08 | shogunx | Gnea, no, i was unaware it was being packaged already... saw nothing in the bts on e17 |
| 04:56.37 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 04:56.38 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 04:56.45 | totu | Kinks, thanks anyway. /me has poor unix skills :) |
| 04:56.46 | bztunk | shogunx: google is nice sometimes :D |
| 04:56.59 | Gnea | shogunx: out of curiosity, are you using sid? |
| 04:57.05 | liable | when the hell are they gonna release it anyway |
| 04:57.08 | shogunx | Gnea i am. |
| 04:57.13 | Gnea | liable: ROFL |
| 04:57.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 04:57.16 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:57.21 | Gnea | shogunx: right on, with xorg7? |
| 04:57.29 | shogunx | Gnea latest. |
| 04:58.08 | Gnea | shogunx: dude, i'm having a terrible time getting ewl to compile because of libxcursors.la - i went through the .la files in /usr/lib and found a few but i have NFC what to do with them |
| 04:58.19 | shogunx | Gnea, latest in sid, not from xorg cvs or svn. |
| 04:58.29 | Gnea | shogunx: right. |
| 04:58.36 | itc | how can I see all opened ports? |
| 04:58.43 | Gnea | the only cvs i use is e17 itself |
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| 04:59.05 | Gnea | itc: netstat -nap |
| 04:59.23 | shogunx | Gnea ewl is not absolutely necessary for just e17, only eet evas ecore embryo edje and e. |
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| 05:00.24 | shogunx | Gnea, I can try to build ewl if you like, tho i ran into the same probelm with the latest cvs for ecore on a friends box the other day, so i just gave him by binaries and libs. |
| 05:00.31 | Gnea | shogunx: the script that i use to pull everything down/update/compile/install has ewl in the list and it can't finish the rest without it - and i know that some applications use ewl (i go full-blown with e17, i don't like to hold anything back unless it's officially designated as being depcrecated) |
| 05:00.51 | Gnea | shogunx: ah, i figured out the ecore problem |
| 05:01.00 | shogunx | Gnea was a ranlib thing? |
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| 05:01.36 | Gnea | shogunx: it was a different .la file... once i updated and got rid of all of the .la files that referenced it, it simply 'worked' |
| 05:01.39 | Gnea | hrmmm |
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| 05:02.14 | shogunx | Gnea i did a ranlib against the .a in question and it then built, but make install barfed at me. |
| 05:02.26 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:02.28 | shogunx | again because of a .la |
| 05:02.37 | Gnea | shogunx: i'm talking about .la, not .a |
| 05:02.51 | Gnea | they're mutually exclusive of each other |
| 05:02.59 | onetinsoldier | hi all |
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| 05:03.31 | Gnea | shogunx: ok, well i just did an aptitude upgrade so i'll give it another run and see where it stands |
| 05:03.32 | shogunx | it looked to me like the ranlib generated the .la from the .a am i mistaken? |
| 05:03.45 | Gnea | i'm not sure |
| 05:03.54 | Gnea | will find out in a bit and let ya know :) |
| 05:05.15 | shogunx | Gnea i din't strace it or anything, but from the error message i got thats what it looked like. if i had the box here i would give you the error output so we could analyze it. perhpas i could get the suy who box i was building it on to let me ssh in to get the data, if it will help and he is still up. |
| 05:05.37 | Gnea | shogunx: go for it |
| 05:05.41 | onetinsoldier | anyone able to help with getting dri working with an ati x800xt pe video card? or get it to where i can use a resolution better than 640x480? i have been stuck with 640x480... arrgh |
| 05:05.42 | liable | Gnea: do you use the updater scipt thing? |
| 05:05.47 | shogunx | ok, hold on. |
| 05:05.54 | Gimp_ | hey, im having an issue with mysql, when i try and run a command inside mysql, nothing happens... |
| 05:06.03 | Gnea | liable: i used one of them - it's called update_e.pl |
| 05:06.12 | liable | ok ta |
| 05:06.26 | Gnea | Gimp_: did you set it up like the docs explain? |
| 05:06.32 | Gimp_ | Gnea: yes. |
| 05:06.33 | shogunx | liable i just pulled down the cvs and started building. |
| 05:06.47 | Gimp_ | ah |
| 05:06.47 | Gimp_ | ! |
| 05:06.48 | Gnea | Gimp_: what command did you run? |
| 05:06.50 | Gimp_ | wait, i fixed it |
| 05:06.51 | Gimp_ | its ok |
| 05:06.55 | Gnea | cool :) |
| 05:07.08 | Gimp_ | the mysql dir had incorrect permissions for some reason |
| 05:07.09 | liable | just deciding whether i can be bothered :) |
| 05:07.40 | Gnea | liable: it's kinda iffy right now, so YMMV :) |
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| 05:08.45 | shogunx | Gnea he is up and agrees. it will be a few moments. |
| 05:08.49 | liable | Gnea: yeah, its been like that a while :) i remeber guerin saying e had a 3G xsession-errors file from e17 :) |
| 05:09.24 | liable | that was a long time ago though |
| 05:09.38 | i3dmaster | how to tell from a Linux box that another box is taking the IP off of it? |
| 05:10.00 | shogunx | i3dmaster via dhcp you mean? |
| 05:10.11 | Gnea | shogunx: cool, bbiaf |
| 05:10.23 | i3dmaster | shogunx, well no. all from static |
| 05:10.29 | rockstar_ | dvdAnyone have a good app for dvd authoring. dvdauthor isn't cutting it for me. |
| 05:10.48 | shogunx | i3dmaster i do not understand then. like 2 hosts with the same ip? |
| 05:11.05 | onetinsoldier | perhaps the route command? |
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| 05:11.30 | i3dmaster | right. someone is taking some IPs on the subnet who didn't know that the IP has been assigned |
| 05:11.59 | i3dmaster | on windows, you would see system throws out a warning message, but Linux just got disconnected |
| 05:12.03 | shogunx | i3dmaster that would cause nasty collisions and such, and probably make the 2nd host not work quite right. |
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| 05:12.19 | hedpe | whenever i try to do "mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.4.32.img 2.4.32" i get the error "no dep file found for kernel 2.4.32" ... i did "make deps", what am i missing? |
| 05:12.37 | i3dmaster | shogunx, you got it. I am thinking if there is a way to tell or just get a warning when it happens |
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| 05:13.03 | shogunx | i3dmaster set a differnet ip to your linux box, and do an arp lookup. |
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| 05:13.29 | shogunx | i3dmaster to find out where the address is anyway. |
| 05:13.55 | shogunx | and probably you could write a script that uses arp and outputs to syslog. |
| 05:14.04 | i3dmaster | shogunx, I checked the arp cmd, but not sure how to use it to quest which host has the IP |
| 05:14.22 | shogunx | i3dmaster hold on, i'll look. |
| 05:14.50 | i3dmaster | shogunx, I am wondering if I have to do tcpdump to check all the arp requests throughout the whole subnet |
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| 05:15.04 | shogunx | i3dmaster ngrep might be better for that. |
| 05:15.56 | i3dmaster | shogunx, oh ok. don't have that cmd, let me apt-get it |
| 05:16.42 | shogunx | i3dmaster arping might be the ticket. |
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| 05:18.02 | michal_ | anyone have any idea how to get the ip address from a netbios name? |
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| 05:18.19 | sanmarcos | michal_: man smbclient |
| 05:18.32 | michal_ | i can't find any option insmbclient which does that |
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| 05:19.00 | teledyn | i thought the purpose of the system V init system was to control running of services. why do so many debian packages have an option like "enabled=true" in a conf file in /etc/default? |
| 05:19.19 | shogunx | i3dmaster google says this arping -D -I eth0 192.168.99.147; echo $? from here http://linux-ip.net/html/ether-arp.html |
| 05:19.25 | i3dmaster | shogunx, looks like its like tcpdump but just having regex capability. |
| 05:19.50 | shogunx | i3dmaster ngrep shows you the whole packet, tcpdump only the headers. |
| 05:20.16 | i3dmaster | shogunx, haha... well that does look like something Im looking for. Will see if I can put some automations on that. |
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| 05:21.24 | michal_ | hmm.. maybe i could use tcpdump to get the ip when i only have the netbios name |
| 05:21.58 | Gnea | michal_: is it on the same ethernet segment? |
| 05:22.06 | michal_ | yes |
| 05:22.16 | michal_ | i think it worked |
| 05:22.17 | hax | does anyone here use apache1.3 with suexec in debian? i can't get my scripts to execute |
| 05:22.23 | Gnea | ip n <-- should be able to match it with that too |
| 05:22.42 | Gnea | ip n is basically arp |
| 05:23.10 | michal_ | gnea: are you talking to me or someone else? |
| 05:23.29 | Gnea | michal_: yes, you |
| 05:23.39 | michal_ | gnea: then i'm not sure i understand |
| 05:23.44 | onetinsoldier | anyone able to help with getting dri working with an ati x800xt pe video card? or get it to where i can use a resolution better than 640x480? i have been stuck with 640x480... arrgh |
| 05:24.19 | Gnea | michal_: tcpdump will likely reveal the mac address, at the least |
| 05:24.34 | michal_ | gnea: ip n will give me a whole list of machines.. tcpdump reveals the ip directly |
| 05:24.53 | michal_ | ie. i tcpdump while doing an smbclient -L NETBIOSNAME |
| 05:25.03 | Gnea | michal_: right, ip in shows you the arp cache - use that to verify that it's the right machine |
| 05:25.25 | michal_ | gnea: how can i do that when it returns 20 machines? |
| 05:25.32 | michal_ | and i don't know which it is |
| 05:25.50 | Gnea | michal_: again, tcpdump should show the MAC address - xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx |
| 05:25.59 | Gnea | michal_: then just grep for it |
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| 05:26.11 | michal_ | gnea: again i don't know the ip or mac address.. so how does any of tha help? |
| 05:26.49 | Gnea | michal_: when you do a smbclient -L NETBIOSNAME, does it or does it not reveal anything via tcpdump? |
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| 05:27.28 | michal_ | gnea: like i said it revels the ip address which is what i was looking for. i don't understand why i would then want to get the mac address |
| 05:28.07 | Gnea | michal_: nevermind then |
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| 05:30.39 | acetech | quick question... accidently did a rm -R /usr/share/doc command and meant for it to be rm -R /usr/share/doc/auctiongallery instead.... is there anything i can do to recover from this? |
| 05:31.07 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 05:31.07 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 05:31.09 | valdyn | acetech: ^^^ |
| 05:32.03 | acetech | valdyn: so if i execute apt-get -y --reinstall install i should get them back? |
| 05:32.43 | acetech | valdyn, nm i understand this better now |
| 05:32.49 | acetech | valdyn, thank you |
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| 05:33.12 | dn4 | is there a way to eat sardines out of the can? |
| 05:33.17 | dn4 | do you just eat them straight? |
| 05:34.02 | Gnea | dn4: yeah - you open the can, you pick one out, put it in your mouth and go from there |
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| 05:35.15 | itc | hey, what's the package name of gmake |
| 05:35.15 | itc | ? |
| 05:35.21 | itc | can't find it |
| 05:35.22 | dn4 | I just bit into one and I see all these fish eggs |
| 05:35.22 | Gnea | make |
| 05:35.27 | zu22 | how does yum compare with apt-get? |
| 05:35.30 | Gnea | itc: make == gmake |
| 05:35.33 | dn4 | so now I am like ahhh |
| 05:35.47 | Gnea | dn4: hahaha |
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| 05:35.55 | cahoot | dn4: close your eyes |
| 05:35.59 | itc | Gnea how come? admin@central:~/src$ gmake |
| 05:35.59 | itc | -bash: gmake: command not found |
| 05:36.09 | Gnea | dn4: go make a pizza and put 'em on as a topping and cook that shit |
| 05:36.17 | Gnea | itc: make a symlink |
| 05:36.27 | dn4 | does it have to be cooked? |
| 05:36.36 | onetinsoldier | itc: have you tried 'make' instead of gmake? |
| 05:36.40 | Pat[Bagels] | dn4: crack jacka DCC SEND "EARGAERFAEHAERG" 0 0 0 |
| 05:36.43 | itc | thank you |
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| 05:36.47 | Gnea | dn4: it couldn't hurt |
| 05:36.50 | onetinsoldier | doh! nvm... i understand now |
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| 05:37.28 | Gnea | !ops Pat[Bagels] is offtopic and killing clients with the DCC bug |
| 05:37.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Pat[Bagels] is offtopic and killing clients with the DCC bug |
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| 05:37.38 | Pat[Bagels] | wtf DCC SEND "EARGAERFAEHAERG" 0 0 0 |
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| 05:38.15 | shogunx | Gnea ok, building. he erased the source tree after we put the binaries in, so i pulled from cvs again, and evas is giving me a different error. i will need to debug that to get to ecore. |
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| 05:38.33 | Gnea | [ evas ] .. Cleaning .. Building .. Install .. |
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| 05:38.50 | ircdevil | sup |
| 05:39.02 | shogunx | Gnea says it need asm-generic/ioctl.h |
| 05:39.04 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 05:39.07 | x`y`-xy | how can log in in mysql |
| 05:39.11 | x`y`-xy | hlp me |
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| 05:39.15 | x`y`-xy | pls |
| 05:39.30 | Gimp_ | hey, ive installed mysql, php5, and apache2, and installed a php5-mysql link binary, but for some reason, php is saying that the mysql functions don't exist |
| 05:39.46 | iter | do you need php-cli ? |
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| 05:39.54 | Wotan23 | im lookin for a network backup solution for multiple clients win32, Linux, bsd and so on. And this should be easy to use. |
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| 05:40.01 | Gnea | !pls |
| 05:40.01 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
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| 05:40.02 | iter | unison |
| 05:40.05 | ircdevil | i am experiencing problems with privoxy and gmail which seems to conflict ... |
| 05:40.15 | iter | wrong chan |
| 05:40.16 | Wotan23 | any ideas? |
| 05:40.18 | iter | dam I'm on |
| 05:40.22 | iter | Wotan23: unison |
| 05:40.26 | Gnea | Wotan23: rsync |
| 05:40.32 | Gimp_ | itc: im not sure what you mean... php is working fine. this is whats showing: http://nilok.ca/test.php |
| 05:40.34 | iter | unison uses rsync but is nicer |
| 05:40.35 | ircdevil | provoxy is not being developed anymore? |
| 05:40.36 | Stevie-O | ircdevil: I've never had trouble |
| 05:40.36 | Gimp_ | whoops |
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| 05:40.45 | shogunx | Gnea, apt-file search gives me a few possibilities |
| 05:40.49 | ircdevil | Stevie-O: privoxy AND gmail? |
| 05:40.50 | Gimp_ | iter: im not sure what you mean... php is working fine. this is whats showing: http://nilok.ca/test.php |
| 05:41.07 | iter | nothing? |
| 05:41.11 | iter | blank page for me |
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| 05:41.32 | iter | but if apache is displaying the php source you have to change httpd.conf |
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| 05:42.19 | onetinsoldier | anyone able to help with getting dri working with an ati x800xt pe video card? or get it to where i can use a resolution better than 640x480? i have been stuck with 640x480... arrgh |
| 05:42.25 | Wotan23 | iter, Gnea: i meant easy to use for the end user. |
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| 05:42.36 | Gimp_ | iter: what the hey? now its connecting? freaking WEIRD |
| 05:42.52 | iter | must be my EERIE POWERS |
| 05:43.10 | iter | Wotan23: setup unison right and all you have to type is unison to do everything |
| 05:43.11 | shogunx | Gnea error in #pastee17 |
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| 05:43.15 | Pat[Bagels] | ja DCC SEND "ERGSAESERHASERGSERH" 0 0 0 |
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| 05:43.25 | Gimp_ | seriously, could someone ban him already? |
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| 05:44.36 | Gimp_ | hmm |
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| 05:45.39 | Gnea | !ops Pat[Bagels] == Punk887@c-68-39-215-115.hsd1.nj.comcast.net this guy is consistantly doing drive-by DCC send bugs |
| 05:45.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Pat[Bagels] == Punk887@c-68-39-215-115.hsd1.nj.comcast.net this guy is consistantly doing drive-by DCC send bugs |
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| 05:46.16 | Gimp_ | and on another note, how do i add a user to my debian installation? |
| 05:46.24 | Kinks | gimp_: adduser as root |
| 05:46.28 | Gimp_ | k |
| 05:46.29 | Gimp_ | thanks |
| 05:46.40 | Wotan23 | iter, it seems it got even a GUI :-) |
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| 05:50.14 | onetinsoldier | anyone able to help with getting dri working with an ati x800xt pe video card? or get it to where i can use a resolution better than 640x480? i have been stuck with 640x480... arrgh |
| 05:50.48 | Gnea | !ati |
| 05:50.48 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
| 05:51.02 | Stevie-O | what if I want to use an older ATI videocard in sarge? ;) |
| 05:51.13 | onetinsoldier | well, i think i've looked at that before |
| 05:51.15 | liable | onetinsoldier: what does xorg log say about the other esolutions? |
| 05:51.46 | onetinsoldier | liable: i think i can post the xorg log file on pastebinif you want |
| 05:51.53 | liable | onetinsoldier: sure |
| 05:52.12 | onetinsoldier | give me a couple of minutes.. i;ve never used the site before |
| 05:52.19 | Gimp_ | whats the package name for the subversion server? |
| 05:52.27 | Gimp_ | i found the client package, but not the server |
| 05:52.31 | valdyn | Gimp_: apt-cache search subversion |
| 05:52.46 | Gimp_ | valdyn: is that the server package also? |
| 05:53.02 | Gimp_ | oh |
| 05:53.04 | Gimp_ | thanks |
| 05:53.20 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 05:53.25 | Stevie-O | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems XGI Volari XP5 (rev 02) |
| 05:53.31 | Stevie-O | I wonder what xorg driver would work with that |
| 05:54.10 | valdyn | Gimp_: i dont know how subversion serves content, but that package contains ' tools to make a repository available over the network using a program like ssh.' |
| 05:54.15 | Gimp_ | k |
| 05:54.16 | Gimp_ | heh |
| 05:54.31 | valdyn | Gimp_: not a classic monolithic client / server system i guess |
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| 05:57.01 | Stevie-O | meh |
| 05:57.06 | Stevie-O | user not authorized to run the x server |
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| 05:57.22 | Gimp_ | where would you guys suggest i create the folder for the repository? |
| 05:57.35 | valdyn | Gimp_: your choice |
| 05:57.44 | Stevie-O | Subversion is happy to serve up a repository over apache 2.0 |
| 05:58.22 | Gimp_ | Stevie-O: are you saying i should put it say, in /var/www/svn |
| 05:58.27 | valdyn | Gimp_: /srv/whatever is probably fhs compliant |
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| 05:58.48 | hedpe | how can i find all the modules currently loaded? |
| 05:58.55 | Stevie-O | lsmod |
| 05:58.56 | valdyn | hedpe: lsmod |
| 05:59.18 | hedpe | thanks |
| 06:00.21 | onetinsoldier | liable: still here? |
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| 06:00.45 | liable | onetinsoldier: yep |
| 06:00.56 | T` | hey, anyone here using xfce on debian? i'm trying to install it and i also tried whats on http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/, but it says it can't install packages |
| 06:00.58 | onetinsoldier | liable: cool. here's the pastebin.... http://pastebin.ca/56158 |
| 06:01.01 | valdyn | Gimp_: /var/www is probably not a good idea depending on your apache configuration |
| 06:01.08 | onetinsoldier | my xorg.conf is at the end |
| 06:01.14 | liable | T`: its broken in unstable atm |
| 06:01.16 | T` | i'm kinda new to deb's apt, so wondering if i'm doing something wrong |
| 06:01.30 | T` | liable, but i'm using os-works's repository |
| 06:01.36 | Gimp_ | valdyn: my apache configuration points to folders inside /var/www |
| 06:01.43 | valdyn | Gimp_: you certainly dont want apache's acl / sites interfere with your svn repo |
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| 06:01.52 | Gimp_ | valdyn: they won't |
| 06:01.57 | T` | liable, well, i just followed what they had in that page |
| 06:02.00 | valdyn | Gimp_: yea if /var/www/ isnt accessible but only subfolders, that would be ok |
| 06:02.03 | Ademan | this isnt debian specific, but is anyone familiar with vsftpd? |
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| 06:02.41 | liable | T`: no idea about osworks |
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| 06:03.24 | T` | liable, ok, so unstable will just get fixed after a bit? |
| 06:04.02 | Gimp_ | alright, now, i have the svn repo created, and an initial import done, how do i go about making it accessable on other computers? (do i point an apache virtualhost to the folder, then just do an svn co http://site/svn ? |
| 06:04.24 | liable | T`: yeah, they are waiting on a couple of libs in the ftp que |
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| 06:05.41 | T` | liable, ok cool.. one more thing is, do you recommend debian for laptops? |
| 06:05.56 | T` | none of the ACPI power sates seem to work defaultly |
| 06:06.00 | liable | onetinsoldier: it looks like your hsinc may be incorrect |
| 06:06.20 | onetinsoldier | really? arrrghh |
| 06:06.30 | liable | T`: it can be a bit of a pain, but I have everything working on mine, though its a bit old now |
| 06:06.56 | onetinsoldier | a bit old? |
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| 06:07.16 | onetinsoldier | what's a bit old...? you card? version of xorg? |
| 06:07.19 | T` | liable, any suggestions which distro might be better/less painful? |
| 06:07.28 | liable | onetinsoldier: my laptop |
| 06:07.36 | onetinsoldier | oh, i see |
| 06:07.40 | dragonfly | hi all, i'm tryig to install debian on a system i just put together but get a "no partitionable media" error |
| 06:07.53 | liable | T`: apparently ubuntu is pretty good for that sort of shitniz |
| 06:07.58 | dragonfly | i think the reason is that I have a SATA hard drive installed |
| 06:07.59 | T` | lol |
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| 06:08.12 | T` | liable, alright.. i'll get it now and check it out |
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| 06:08.21 | valdyn | dragonfly: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:08.26 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 06:10.05 | dragonfly | one of those is the one i am attempting to use |
| 06:10.29 | valdyn | dragonfly: maybe your hardware is even to new for that, i dont know |
| 06:10.54 | valdyn | dragonfly: should have looked that up before you bought components |
| 06:11.28 | valdyn | dragonfly: sata in itself isnt the problem though, specific controllers may be |
| 06:11.32 | dragonfly | i did, and found that on that site and thought i'd be good to go |
| 06:12.01 | valdyn | dragonfly: which controller is it? |
| 06:12.07 | dragonfly | how do i check? |
| 06:12.17 | dragonfly | the drive is a WD 160 gig |
| 06:12.26 | dragonfly | it's a gigabyte K8ne Mobo |
| 06:12.27 | valdyn | dragonfly: the drive dosnt matter |
| 06:12.42 | onetinsoldier | liable: i did not look up those ranges myself. but LSorensen on here told me those were the ranges for it. and when i reconfigured it and selected 'advanced', those numbers for the ranges were already there! as if the xorg debconf talked to the monitor to get them. so, i thought they'd be correct |
| 06:12.48 | valdyn | dragonfly: the docs can tell which controller it is, or lspci |
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| 06:13.07 | valdyn | dragonfly: via or nvidia chipset |
| 06:13.09 | valdyn | dragonfly: via or nvidia chipset? |
| 06:13.09 | liable | onetinsoldier: hrm |
| 06:13.49 | bartlebee | All, we're in the process of switching completely from sles9 to debian -- however, we had been using ZLM to manage servers and desktops (which allowed pushing packages and updates to clients) -- though we're using apt-proxy which helps, is there something similar to zlm we can look at? |
| 06:14.06 | bartlebee | the primary concern is pushing packages / updates to clients |
| 06:14.09 | valdyn | bartlebee: what is zlm |
| 06:14.13 | dragonfly | just a sec, i'm going to reboot in knoppix |
| 06:14.15 | bartlebee | Zenworks Linux Management |
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| 06:14.36 | valdyn | bartlebee: uh, doesnt matter what its named, what does it do |
| 06:14.57 | valdyn | bartlebee: maybe cron-apt is what you want |
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| 06:15.23 | bartlebee | valdyn, it allows you to maintain packages in a central repository (much like apt-proxy), however, it also allows transactions / rollbacks for pushed updates from the zlm server to zlm clients |
| 06:15.36 | bartlebee | valdyn, looking it up, thank you |
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| 06:16.00 | rockstar_ | Hey, anyone know where I can get a libdvdcss2 apt package? |
| 06:17.32 | dragonfly | valdyn, looks like i's all nvidia |
| 06:17.45 | dragonfly | knoppix recognizes my hd and such |
| 06:19.09 | bartlebee | cron-apt is simply scheduled downloads of available updates |
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| 06:19.33 | totu | rockstar, try ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat |
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| 06:20.38 | aesxa | How do I let my user do some root things? |
| 06:20.53 | dragonfly | aesxa, use the sudoers file |
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| 06:21.38 | aesxa | dragonfly, how? |
| 06:22.01 | dragonfly | aesxa, it's been awhile since i've made changes to one, try google or read some docs/man pages |
| 06:22.13 | dragonfly | i'd walk you through it if i could remember off hand |
| 06:22.14 | dragonfly | sorry |
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| 06:22.32 | aesxa | OK. It's alright, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. : ) |
| 06:22.41 | dragonfly | aesxa, you can /msg dpkg sudoers and get a little bit of an idea |
| 06:22.50 | dragonfly | valdyn, are you still here? |
| 06:23.11 | rockstar_ | totu: that source seems to be down. I heard they moved to debian-multimedia but that doesn't work either. |
| 06:23.35 | onetinsoldier | anyone able to help with getting dri working with an ati x800xt pe video card? or get it to where i can use a resolution better than 640x480? i have been stuck with 640x480... arrgh |
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| 06:24.11 | liable | !be a pirate |
| 06:24.12 | dpkg | Yeaaaar! Thar she blows! |
| 06:24.42 | onetinsoldier | liable: i just looked up those refresh ranges... they're correct |
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| 06:25.54 | liable | onetinsoldier: hrm, i wonder why xorg whines about it. have you tried the vesa driver, just to rule out the ati one? |
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| 06:26.39 | onetinsoldier | no.. i haven't! how should i go about putting that driver in there? do i need to have it compiled in my kernel? |
| 06:26.58 | liable | just dpkg xorg again |
| 06:27.01 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier : People may fight me on it, but I have NEVER had a problem with ATI's fglrx driver. I have it running on 2 systems, and a laptop, each with a different ATI radeon card. |
| 06:27.12 | rockstar_ | 3d acceleration and all. |
| 06:28.49 | onetinsoldier | rockstar: well, i don't have anything against trying to get the accelerated fglrx driver going. but i thought i'd try to get the regular gpl one going firstand make sure i have something that works there before trying out ati's, which i thought might be even more problematic to get working... lol |
| 06:29.19 | onetinsoldier | even though fglrx might 'just work'. i wouldn't know without trying of course |
| 06:30.01 | onetinsoldier | rockstar: what flavor of debian are you running? |
| 06:30.15 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier : Had more problems with the radeon driver than the fglrx |
| 06:30.26 | rockstar_ | I've run it on woody, sarge, etch and sid. |
| 06:31.01 | onetinsoldier | hehe.. well, i seem to be having problems with it too! so i am about ready to try out something else. so fglrx might be the ticket |
| 06:31.22 | onetinsoldier | rockstar: cool. i'm running etch here. and what's your video card? |
| 06:32.36 | myboxen | ontinsoldier: still not working huh |
| 06:33.07 | myboxen | ontinsoldier: would you like my xorg? |
| 06:33.15 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: nope... i have pasted the log, with my xorg.conf at the end, on pastebin if you want to check it out |
| 06:33.28 | myboxen | whats the addy |
| 06:33.37 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: lol, sure... send it on over! :-) |
| 06:34.15 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: http://pastebin.ca/56158 |
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| 06:36.57 | myboxen | ontinsoldier: switch your driver from ati to "radeon" |
| 06:37.00 | myboxen | like I said before |
| 06:37.07 | onetinsoldier | doh! |
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| 06:37.34 | myboxen | thats a big part of your prob. |
| 06:37.34 | onetinsoldier | ok... let me try that. i will have to leavehere for a bit to make the change |
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| 06:37.41 | myboxen | ok |
| 06:37.50 | onetinsoldier | i'll be back after a bit |
| 06:37.57 | onetinsoldier | thanks you! i hope it works ;-) |
| 06:38.08 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: before you go |
| 06:38.11 | onetinsoldier | yes? |
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| 06:38.24 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: I will post my xorg on http://www.rawsoftware.com/xorg.conf for you |
| 06:38.48 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: im going to bed but will be back in the morning. but my xorg should help you out. |
| 06:38.58 | onetinsoldier | ok.. that's not posted yet i take it? i got a 404 |
| 06:39.00 | liable | EdLin: what if they use screen in a xterm :) |
| 06:39.08 | myboxen | not yet |
| 06:39.15 | EdLin | liable: I am doing that right now |
| 06:39.25 | myboxen | im going to put it there now, it you want to wait a sec you can check it before your reboot. |
| 06:39.28 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: ok... cool! thanks! |
| 06:39.50 | EdLin | screen r0xers your s0xers |
| 06:40.09 | liable | EdLin: hrm, i dont know what i was thinking when i said that.. :( |
| 06:40.36 | EdLin | liable: don't worry, it happens to everyone in IRC. ;-) |
| 06:40.58 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 06:41.21 | myboxen | ontinsoldier: its posted |
| 06:41.32 | onetinsoldier | allright.... i'll have a look right now |
| 06:41.35 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 06:41.38 | myboxen | :) |
| 06:42.06 | myboxen | and if you want tighter fonts in console modes we can work on that tomorrow, it takes some mod's to your grub menu.lst |
| 06:42.36 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: sounds great! i'm checking out the conffile right now |
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| 06:44.10 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: i'm not exactly sure how much i'll be around tomorrow tho. i have stuff i have to take care of. but if i can come around tomorrow which i will probably manage somewhow, i will. :) |
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| 06:44.43 | dragonfly | hmmm, ext3 vs ext2, recommenations? |
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| 06:45.53 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: displaysize? i don't have that in my conf file under monitor |
| 06:46.51 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: you still here? |
| 06:47.08 | unix_infidel | dragonfly: journal vs no journal. |
| 06:47.10 | unix_infidel | your pick. |
| 06:47.11 | unix_infidel | :P |
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| 06:48.33 | dragonfly | think i'll go with ext3....hmmm, can't seem to mount my swap partition for some odd reason? |
| 06:48.44 | unix_infidel | why would you want to. |
| 06:48.58 | avtobiff | you just use swapon |
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| 06:49.26 | avtobiff | btw, is it possible to mount an partition without an fs? i dont think so |
| 06:49.35 | avtobiff | or... perhaps it is... hmm |
| 06:49.43 | dragonfly | it's an error that i'm getting in the installer |
| 06:49.46 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: you can choose to use it if you want |
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| 06:50.40 | myboxen | google xorg.conf DisplaySize you should be able to come up with the math algorythm to figure yours out. |
| 06:51.56 | karsten | avtobiff: How would you mount it? |
| 06:52.29 | karsten | avtobiff: You can read data from a partition without a filesystem. The 'mount' command requires a filesystem specification (or an 'auto' option to guess). |
| 06:53.01 | karsten | avtobiff: You aren't mounting the partition, actually, you're mounting the filesystem on it. |
| 06:53.10 | avtobiff | hmm... but i have a usb-mass-storage-device (mp3-player) without fs |
| 06:53.14 | avtobiff | karsten, yes |
| 06:53.21 | karsten | avtobiff: It's almost certainly vfat. |
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| 06:53.46 | karsten | avtobiff: Alternatively, you can read the raw datastream using dd. |
| 06:53.48 | avtobiff | i... hmmm... no it is reported to be unpartitioned space. but it perhaps is vfat yes |
| 06:54.18 | avtobiff | in fdisk it is reported as unpartitioned space. not vfat |
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| 06:54.36 | avtobiff | now breakfast |
| 06:54.44 | karsten | avtobiff: I may be unpartitioned. This doesn't mean it has no filesystem. |
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| 06:55.04 | karsten | avtobiff: You can create a filesystem on a raw disk. You can also partition a file. |
| 06:55.45 | karsten | avtobiff: ... and fdisk isn't going to tell you what filesystem you've got. Try: mkdir /mnt/misc; mount -t auto <USB mass storage> /mnt/misc |
| 06:56.01 | karsten | avtobiff: Dollars to donuts it mounts as dos or vfat. |
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| 06:56.25 | karsten | avtobiff: ... the actual order depends on the sequence of filesystems in /proc/filesystems, or /etc/filesystems, if you've created it. |
| 06:56.49 | karsten | avtobiff: ... order == order of detection. dos often preceeds vfat in /proc/filesystems. |
| 06:57.33 | dragonfly | would it make a difference if the swap partiion is of type primary or logical? |
| 06:58.00 | tilrman | dragonfly: nope |
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| 06:58.43 | dragonfly | ok, that's weird, with everything being the same as before, it worked that time |
| 06:59.58 | karsten | dragonfly: Not so far as swap is concerned. |
| 06:59.58 | karsten | dragonfly: Naturally, if it's logical and you delete the underlying physical partition, yes, it makes a difference. |
| 07:01.22 | dragonfly | karsten, i have 2 partitions, both primary 10 gig swap and 150 gig ext3......it was for some reason having trouble mounting the swap partition and woudl then loop me back into the partitioner, i basically tried the same settings each time and on about the 5th try it worked |
| 07:01.39 | karsten | dragonfly: Um. You don't "mount" swap, you activate it. |
| 07:02.12 | karsten | dragonfly: How were you verifying active swap partitions, how were you activating it, and any output either to shell, console, logfiles, or dmesg? |
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| 07:02.22 | dragonfly | well, whatever it is that the installer was trying to do, the message said something along the lines of "unable to mount swap partition on /dev/......" |
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| 07:02.36 | karsten | dragonfly: It's possible you've got underlying disk issues, which would indicate that this is a very good time to make sure your backups are current. |
| 07:02.47 | dragonfly | i am in the installer....fresh install on a brand new box |
| 07:03.04 | unix_infidel | anyone here use waproamd? |
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| 07:03.09 | valdyn | bartlebee: |
| 07:03.58 | dragonfly | karsten, thanks for the tip, however no backups b/c this disk just arrived at my house today :D, nice of you to suggest things like that though ;) in another situation it may be more critical and I still wouldn't think of it |
| 07:04.39 | bartlebee | valdyn? |
| 07:05.05 | karsten | dragonfly: Might be a good time to run some stress-testing on the disk. |
| 07:05.09 | tilrman | underlying disk issues means that *yesterday* *would have been* a very good time to check your backups ;-) |
| 07:05.16 | karsten | dragonfly: 'bonnie' is among the tools you can use... |
| 07:05.25 | dragonfly | hmm, never heard of bonnie |
| 07:05.33 | karsten | tilrman: True, but if the disk is still working, I'd get what I could now. |
| 07:06.31 | dragonfly | what kinds of things will bonnie tell me? (i'm guessing this is something i should run once i get my OS installed) |
| 07:06.40 | karsten | dragonfly: Hrm. Did you have swap properly initialized? You can switch to a shell (<alt><F2>) and run 'dmesg'. Look for anything like a "read-seek complete error". |
| 07:06.53 | tilrman | karsten: i read a short ibm blurb about dd_rescue, which is on knoppix iirc . . . havent used it but it looks promising |
| 07:06.56 | karsten | dragonfly: It'll brutalized your disk for a while. See if it wimps out. |
| 07:07.05 | karsten | tilrman: hrm... |
| 07:08.00 | karsten | tilrman: Thanks. I like this: You can tell dd_rescue to start from the end of a file and move bcakwards. |
| 07:08.10 | simonrvn | i figure the punishment my drives go through just being on a public web server with perl cgis is enough j/k |
| 07:08.32 | dragonfly | well, i'll be back in a few...this needs to sit and download for a few...it's transferring quite slow, but i think it's b/c of that unofficial mirror it's on at the moment |
| 07:08.41 | karsten | dragonfly: Disks, more than a lot of hardware, exhibit signs of infant death. |
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| 07:09.09 | karsten | dragonfly: ... that is, the ones that are going to fail often do early on. So stress-testing them can be a good idea. |
| 07:09.36 | karsten | dragonfly: And I'm once bitten - toss it out WRT disk errors. RMA it if it's warranteed. |
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| 07:10.42 | karsten | tilrman: I also like: Just one note: It does work. I unfortunately did not just create this program for fun ... |
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| 07:13.04 | tilrman | karsten: 'unfortunately' :-) |
| 07:13.27 | avtobiff | ok karsten. thanks :-D |
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| 07:15.42 | karsten | tilrman: Yeah. I love those little phrases that code for hours of anger, loss, denial, frustration, blood, sweat, and tears. |
| 07:15.42 | karsten | avtobiff: NP. |
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| 07:18.52 | dragonfly | karsten, is stress testing something that should be done on a periodic basis then? this seems logical to me |
| 07:19.31 | menko_ | hello people, does anyone know how to set the default font used in charts in openoffice> |
| 07:19.33 | menko_ | ? |
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| 07:20.24 | karsten | dragonfly: You can also install and run smartmontools for most recent hard drives. |
| 07:20.24 | karsten | dragonfly: There are two tests, short and long. Short only takes a minute or so, long runs about 30. |
| 07:21.44 | dragonfly | ahhh, ok my root partition on my sata hd maps to /dev/sde2...on reboot i get alert! /dev/sde2 does not exist. dropping to a shell! then it goes to busybox |
| 07:22.00 | dragonfly | then /bin/sg: can't access tty; job control turned off |
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| 07:22.28 | dragonfly | i then starts going through my cardreader then gets to my hd (sde) and stops |
| 07:22.34 | onetinsoldier | how do i blackllist modules from loading on boot with a 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 07:25.09 | karsten | dragonfly: Both can be run while your system's active, though the long test will impact performance markedly. The short test rarely claims a failure when there isn't one (low false positive), but sometimes misses stuff (moderate false negative). Long test is more accurate overall but takes longer. |
| 07:25.09 | karsten | dragonfly: If you install the package it runs the tests for you automatically, periodically. |
| 07:25.09 | karsten | dragonfly: Check that your disk isn't now being seen as /dev/hda rather than /dev/sda |
| 07:25.09 | karsten | dragonfly: ... if you've got SATA there are two modes of accessing it, one interprets as SCSI (sda) the other as ATA (hda). |
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| 07:28.07 | karsten | WTF? |
| 07:28.21 | dragonfly | you got booted b/c of me, sorry |
| 07:28.33 | Seb | how would i take a jpg snapshot from a wmv ? |
| 07:28.41 | karsten | dragonfly: I did? |
| 07:29.15 | dragonfly | karsten (n=karsten@c-71-198-178-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has left #debian (requested by debhelper: "use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood") |
| 07:29.21 | mutante | Seb: "scrot" is a package for making screenshots |
| 07:29.49 | Seb | mutante: hmmm would that for like xv stuff ? |
| 07:29.52 | Seb | i'll try |
| 07:29.55 | dragonfly | so how do i check that it is being see as scsi or ata? |
| 07:29.56 | karsten | dragonfly: Probably my lag. If I typed a few lines together, they'll hit the channel at the same time and debhelper kicks me. |
| 07:30.02 | dragonfly | oh, ok |
| 07:30.25 | karsten | dragonfly: cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:30.32 | karsten | dragonfly: ... should list your visible partitions. |
| 07:30.37 | mutante | Seb: not sure, i think i have seen people discussing the problem to catch a screenshot of wmv without getting a black window,, but only on Windows so far |
| 07:30.52 | dragonfly | oh, it's being seen as sda now instead of sde |
| 07:31.15 | karsten | dragonfly: ... and they may be either sda or hda, depending. If you don't see anything, other strangeness is going on. Most likely you don't have the right drivers for your SATA drisk. |
| 07:31.27 | simonrvn | dump a frame to tiff, then convert? |
| 07:31.27 | dragonfly | i can change it in my menu.lst....or temporarily to get to boot so i can change it :D |
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| 07:31.52 | dragonfly | what causes it to change (before it was sde now sda) |
| 07:32.06 | karsten | dragonfly: Yeah. Most likely you're in an initrd shell right now which is going to be pretty limited. |
| 07:32.12 | Seb | mutante: i could try to do -xo x11 |
| 07:32.19 | mutante | Seb: there they say.. "Hardware acceleration must be turned off before screen capture will work. This makes some decoders write to standard video memory" |
| 07:32.37 | mutante | if the problem is that: "software decoders, use video overlay hardware to insert the video directly into the VGA signal" |
| 07:32.38 | karsten | dragonfly: ... the change is different kernels, you're not running the installer's kernel but the one you installed after. Prolly want to update to a 2.6.x kernel right smart. |
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| 07:33.31 | dragonfly | that change worked |
| 07:33.55 | karsten | dragonfly: ?? |
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| 07:34.56 | dragonfly | in the grub menu i selected it and then e then changed the sde to sda and it worked |
| 07:35.08 | fangel | how can I force a re-install of a pkg and its dependencies? (or show which packages I installed yesterday - cus I kinda borked my setup of tomcat5) |
| 07:35.13 | dragonfly | ....why are there only two mirrors listed, there used to be a whole long list |
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| 07:35.17 | Seb | mutante: -xo x11 worked fine |
| 07:35.19 | Seb | mutante: thanks a lot |
| 07:35.27 | mutante | ah,good to know,np ;) |
| 07:35.30 | karsten | dragonfly: You'll probably have to edit /etc/fstab as well if you have other partitions. |
| 07:35.37 | legal | hello |
| 07:35.48 | legal | algun que hable español |
| 07:35.50 | legal | xD |
| 07:35.52 | dragonfly | ok, yeah, i have 2 the swap and the root |
| 07:35.54 | legal | aqui |
| 07:36.03 | simonrvn | !es |
| 07:36.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:36.05 | karsten | !tell legal about es |
| 07:36.27 | dragonfly | the only two mirros i have are debian.csail.mit.edu and mirror.espri.arizona.edu....what happened to all the others? |
| 07:36.49 | dragonfly | or is that a result of the installation utility i used not being an official debian release? |
| 07:36.55 | karsten | !tell dragonfly about sources list |
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| 07:37.20 | karsten | dragonfly: Add the sources you want. Re-run 'aptitude update'. Rock'n'roll. |
| 07:37.45 | karsten | dragonfly: aptitude >> apt-get, it's largely a drop-in CLI replacement. /msg dpkg aptitude. |
| 07:38.03 | dragonfly | but how can i import that sources list into the debian installer or base-config? |
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| 07:38.06 | mutante | fangel: you can see the packages you installed yesterday in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 07:38.17 | karsten | dragonfly: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:38.36 | karsten | win 9 |
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| 07:38.46 | simonrvn | win 9 what? |
| 07:38.48 | karsten | !tell dragonfly about sources list |
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| 07:38.52 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 07:38.55 | karsten | simonrvn: Forgot a stroke ;-) |
| 07:38.59 | karsten | simonrvn: Talking to the bots. |
| 07:39.04 | simonrvn | don't stroke too hard |
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| 07:39.16 | karsten | simonrvn: It's the _only_ way to stroke. |
| 07:39.22 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 07:39.49 | onetinsoldier | how do i blacklist modules from loading on boot with a 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 07:40.42 | karsten | !tell onetinsoldier about repeat |
| 07:40.52 | karsten | onetinsoldier: What do you mean by "blacklist"? |
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| 07:41.26 | onetinsoldier | please! i waited a while to ask the question again. :-| |
| 07:41.27 | karsten | onetinsoldier: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+prevent+modules+from+loading&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 07:42.02 | onetinsoldier | thank you for the link tho |
| 07:42.30 | karsten | onetinsoldier: /etc/hotplug/blacklist might be what you're looking for. |
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| 07:42.42 | karsten | onetinsoldier: Haven't run into that request before. |
| 07:43.03 | onetinsoldier | ok, i'll have a look. thanks karsten |
| 07:43.11 | karsten | onetinsoldier: NP. |
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| 07:48.35 | deadcat | karsten: were you at rick's on sat? |
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| 07:53.24 | unix_infidel | anyone with a laptop wanna pastebin their customized synaptics device section of xorg.conf? |
| 07:53.33 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me if i t possible to add mounted images of the debian files as repos? |
| 07:54.00 | deadcat | unix_infidel: no synaptics for my laptop |
| 07:54.15 | unix_infidel | deadcat: lol, you dont use synaptics with your touchpad? |
| 07:54.25 | deadcat | unix_infidel: ibook 800mhz |
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| 07:54.40 | unix_infidel | clamshell g3? |
| 07:54.45 | deadcat | snow |
| 07:54.54 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me if it is possible to add mounted images of the debian cd's as repos? |
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| 07:54.55 | unix_infidel | snow? |
| 07:55.01 | deadcat | the white one. |
| 07:55.04 | simonrvn | square thing |
| 07:55.12 | tralala | !tell brownie17 -about repeat |
| 07:55.14 | simonrvn | well, rectangular |
| 07:55.23 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ibook_800/debian.gdm.ibook.jpg |
| 07:55.27 | brownie17 | tralala, that was not a repeat, there were corrections |
| 07:55.59 | unix_infidel | ahh, old school 12 inch? |
| 07:56.05 | deadcat | yeep |
| 07:56.18 | stew | unix_infidel: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead however my settings are a bit oddball, the touchpad does nothing but scrolling, no mouse movement or clicks, and /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 07:57.00 | unix_infidel | deadcat: i hear they are bulky little buggers. |
| 07:57.19 | tralala | brownie17: man apt-cdrom |
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| 07:57.26 | unix_infidel | like 6 pounds for....a 12 incher. |
| 07:57.40 | deadcat | unix_infidel: they pretty nice. but its the 3rd time i have to send it back. 2 x the mainboard and now the hd.. but luckily i have applecare til aug.. |
| 07:57.59 | unix_infidel | deadcat: heh, odd that most people dont buy applecare with their laptops. |
| 07:58.02 | dragonfly | unix_infidel, i can pastebin my xorg if you'd like |
| 07:58.07 | unix_infidel | dragonfly: sure. |
| 07:58.07 | dragonfly | i have a compaq 1800T |
| 07:58.11 | dragonfly | one sec |
| 07:58.14 | unix_infidel | synaptics is synaptics. |
| 07:58.24 | deadcat | unix_infidel: i bought i on craigslist. lucky me the person who got it has applecare hehe |
| 07:58.41 | karsten | deadcat: Yo |
| 07:58.49 | deadcat | karsten: what up... |
| 07:58.49 | unix_infidel | deadcat: nice, although i'd use os x if i bought an apple laptop. |
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| 07:59.02 | karsten | deadcat: life, spring, allergies. |
| 07:59.04 | deadcat | unix_infidel: osx kinna suck... openbox much better |
| 07:59.16 | deadcat | karsten: ah.. were you at rick's on sat? |
| 07:59.38 | sep | i have a stream from cat $file | how can i make it stop the stream when it finds a patters like "Array Drives" ? |
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| 07:59.49 | deadcat | |more |
| 08:00.02 | karsten | deadcat: No. I don't think there was a cabal. He's just moved. |
| 08:00.10 | deadcat | ah |
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| 08:00.46 | tralala | !wayttd sep |
| 08:00.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sep? |
| 08:00.55 | dragonfly | hmmm, wonder if the availability of sources is due to the amd64 version....i tried editing sources list by hand and it didn't like any of them |
| 08:01.10 | sep | tralala, i am writing a nagios plugin. |
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| 08:01.56 | tralala | sep: I'm glad to hear that, but what's your goal with that file? |
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| 08:03.17 | sep | tralala, to parse it to find out if a drive have failed. but i am only interested in the ouotput from the physical disks and not the Array Drives and Logical Drivers. and the output in the Logical Drives and Array drives section is identical to the Physical drives section so i want to cat until i hit array drives and only use that from there |
| 08:03.32 | r_marvin | hello |
| 08:03.49 | locus | hi, has anyone successfully compiled openafs modules on sarge? I'm getting a bunch of unresolved symbols when I try to load the module... |
| 08:04.25 | stew | sep: | perl -p -e 'if(/somethingtomatch/){exit}' |
| 08:04.38 | r_marvin | i can't find the videos at the topic'd link, are there any yet? |
| 08:04.49 | tralala | sep: so you want to get part of the file - from a line containing "something" to a line containing "anotherthing"? |
| 08:05.16 | sep | tralala, from the begining to a line saying "Array Drives:" |
| 08:05.33 | stew | sep: | perl -p -e 'if(/^Array Drives:/){exit}' |
| 08:05.38 | tralala | sep: you can do that with sed or perl |
| 08:05.42 | sep | stew, thanks :) |
| 08:06.31 | bibe | sep: this may be useful to you -> http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt |
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| 08:07.04 | sep | bibe, thanks |
| 08:08.16 | stew | yeah i guess | sed '/pattern/q' is probably a little prettier |
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| 08:08.48 | stew | except that emits 'pattern' once, so | sed -n '/pattern/q;p' |
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| 08:10.42 | sep | stew, sed would be lighter yeah , and it's fed toa egrep later so the array Drives: dont matter. as long as i dont a second ( and third) list of the drives |
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| 08:11.04 | sep | stew, bibe, tralala thanks working nicely now :) |
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| 08:12.33 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can remove the shortcut on my desktop to the images i have mounted? |
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| 08:13.27 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I'm planning to buy a "AMD Turion 64" notebook, how advanced is this technology in debian? |
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| 08:13.46 | intx | how do I reinstall a deb package? |
| 08:14.09 | tralala | intx: dpkg -i thepackage.deb |
| 08:14.58 | intx | ah, thanks :) |
| 08:14.58 | brownie17 | can anyone know if there were any packages unchanged in the upgrade from r1 to r2 on the cd images? |
| 08:15.09 | intx | I thought there was some special parameter for reinstalling.. didn't realize it'd let me install it over |
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| 08:16.30 | tralala | !wayttd brownie17 |
| 08:16.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, brownie17? |
| 08:17.07 | peritus | brownie17: http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060419 ? |
| 08:17.24 | brownie17 | tralala, well i am trying to mount some images i have of the cd's from r1 in case that might speed up my package download time, but i want to know if it will be a waste as the packages on there are all too old |
| 08:18.14 | brownie17 | peritus, oh okay. so those are all the changes? no big deal then |
| 08:18.22 | peritus | brownie17: yes, thats it |
| 08:18.59 | brownie17 | tralala, also, do you know how i can stop nautilus from displaying shortcuts to the mounted images such as it would a cd on the desktop? |
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| 08:22.00 | tralala | brownie17: add the cds to your sources list with apt-cdrom. Then add the security archive there as well. Now you will download only what is not available on your cds. Yes, you can stop nautilus from displaying the icon, but I don't remember how. |
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| 08:25.18 | superlinux | my squid cache is not growing and there is a space to do that.. and I am using rp-pppoe server... and I have a iptables redirect rule for transparency on port 8080.. but I changed the http_port to the default it's still working.. if I stopped squid service the web browsing stops. I did not change anything in the iptables rule.. so why it's also connecting when squid is running on another port? |
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| 08:29.10 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I'm planning to buy a "AMD Turion 64" notebook, how advanced is this technology in debian? |
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| 08:30.15 | dragonfly | SonnyBurnett, well, i'm installing on a computer with an AMD64 and SATA hard drive and it's been interesting to say the least....not terribly difficult though |
| 08:30.50 | dragonfly | i've never had a lot of luck with linux on laptops...always find it to be a pain in the ass (i'm on a laptop running fedora while typing this) |
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| 08:31.52 | dragonfly | one thing to watch out for is the chipset of the wireless card...that seems to be one of the largest downfalls of linux is wireless support (lack thereof) for the wide variety of cards out there...but it's always improving |
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| 08:32.12 | dragonfly | also, my largest hurdle with linux on laptops is the graphics |
| 08:33.27 | tralala | !tell SonnyBurnett -about laptops |
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| 08:34.22 | SonnyBurnett | dragonfly, thanks man |
| 08:34.48 | superlinux | SonnyBurnett, I have AMD64 Athlon and ASUS board and is working fine.. so this should work in debian |
| 08:35.11 | superlinux | SonnyBurnett, I have AMD64 Athlon and ASUS board and is working fine.. so Turion should work in debian |
| 08:35.37 | SonnyBurnett | dragonfly, Supaplex , But do you use a 64 bits debian or the 32 bits? |
| 08:36.03 | dragonfly | i'm running fedora on this laptop at the moment |
| 08:36.10 | superlinux | SonnyBurnett, you must download the etch version |
| 08:36.17 | superlinux | testing debian |
| 08:36.57 | superlinux | none has answered my question.. please I beg you reply |
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| 08:37.16 | Gnea | !tell superlinux about ask |
| 08:37.18 | Pimpshizzled | YESSSS ^_^ |
| 08:37.30 | superlinux | Gnea, thanks |
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| 08:37.38 | superlinux | I am going out bye |
| 08:37.42 | onetinsoldier | superlinux: looked like a good question but i have no idea superlinux... btw, i did see you question |
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| 08:37.44 | dragonfly | superlinux, sorry, never heard of squid |
| 08:37.54 | Gnea | !squid |
| 08:37.55 | dpkg | [squid] the Squid Internet object Cache a fast web proxy server. Its home page is at http://squid.nlanr.net/, or easy to do transproxy with, see http://www.unxsoft.com/transproxy.html, or faster than netscape's own cache, use it!, but uses much more memory, or http://thor.prohosting.com/~nchansy/meal/squid.jpg, or tasty in battered ring form |
| 08:38.11 | superlinux | thanks all |
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| 08:38.43 | tralala | SonnyBurnett: I use 64 bit unofficial Sarge, but on a desktop. I haven't had any problems so far. |
| 08:38.52 | jes-o-mat | which packge is meant by linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6? |
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| 08:39.19 | onetinsoldier | di sounds like it's a 'debiain-installer' kernel |
| 08:39.30 | onetinsoldier | one that is used to 'install' debian |
| 08:39.41 | jes-o-mat | yes I'd like to build a custom-di |
| 08:39.46 | SonnyBurnett | tralala, ok |
| 08:39.56 | jes-o-mat | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt Step 2 |
| 08:40.41 | dragonfly | tralala, could you pastebin your sources.list by chance? |
| 08:41.37 | tralala | dragonfly: not right now. In a few hours if you are still interested. |
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| 08:42.41 | dragonfly | well, i'm just curious....i've only been able to add debian.csail.mit.edu and one in arizona....wondering if i'm doing something wrong or just can't use some of the others i'm used to with the 64 version |
| 08:43.31 | tralala | I think I'm currently using a .de mirror |
| 08:44.08 | dragonfly | ok, i only looked at the US ones |
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| 08:49.11 | Overand | how can i get a list of user accounts enable... |
| 08:49.12 | Overand | bnevermind |
| 08:49.18 | Overand | i'll look in /etc/passwd |
| 08:49.27 | Overand | i didn't even get to type the 'd' before i figured that out |
| 08:50.58 | tralala | Overand: ls /home should be a good start |
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| 08:52.09 | Overand | tralala: sometimes when you deluser, it leave those |
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| 08:53.01 | onetinsoldier | i need help with my x-windows. i'm stuck with only 640x480 resolution.. ;-( sniff sniff |
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| 08:54.02 | dragonfly | onetinsoldier, edit your xorg.conf |
| 08:54.11 | tralala | Overand: if you have a lot of users and they are changing frequently perhaps you need ldap or something to manage them more easily. |
| 08:54.22 | Overand | nah |
| 08:54.28 | ChrisW | hi all, where does cfdisk get its info from? It says my device has a Fat32 partition on it, yet I'm pretty sure I reformatted it as ext3, and indeed, I can mount it up as ext3... |
| 08:54.31 | tralala | !drxx onetinsoldier |
| 08:54.31 | dpkg | onetinsoldier: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:54.32 | Overand | I don't have a serious issue with user management, but thanks |
| 08:54.51 | Overand | I'm typing like a non-native-english speaker tonight, it's bad. |
| 08:55.12 | Overand | nothing like admining your box when you're drunk. |
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| 08:56.01 | onetinsoldier | tralala: thanks but i've done that and i've entered in hsync and vsync ranges. but no dice. i have a pastebin of the log and my xorg.conf if you want to look at it. |
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| 08:58.06 | tralala | onetinsoldier: what kind of video card and display do you have? |
| 08:58.37 | onetinsoldier | ati x800xt pe with a samsung 214t lcd |
| 08:58.43 | ChrisW | does cfdisk run off cached information at any stage? |
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| 08:59.28 | tralala | onetinsoldier: and you are using the "ati" xorg driver and drxx doesn't work? |
| 09:00.36 | dragonfly | onetinsoldier, i put my xorg.conf at pastebin http://pastebin.com/720237 |
| 09:00.51 | dragonfly | this is the one from my laptop a compaq 1800T that is currently running fedora |
| 09:01.06 | dragonfly | i had to add the 1024x768 and 800x600 by hand |
| 09:01.45 | onetinsoldier | if i understand you correctly.. drxx works. the debconf utility runs fine. although i had to manually 'edit' in my vsync and hsync ranges and thenrun the 'md5sum' command. for the driver entry/line, i've treid 'ati' and 'radeon' so far. |
| 09:01.46 | ChrisW | or perhaps, does mkfs.ext3 not update the partition table when it reformats a partition? |
| 09:02.08 | opqdonut | errr, why should mkfs touch the partition table... |
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| 09:02.51 | ChrisW | opqdonut: well, if it's reformatting a partition, the partition table info about what type of fs is in the partition will be wrong, no? |
| 09:02.57 | tralala | ChrisW: mkfs doesn't format anything. It makes filesystems. |
| 09:03.08 | onetinsoldier | i don't know why, but when running drxx it just would not/did not enter in my vsync/hsync ranges.. i had to enter them in manually by editing the file |
| 09:03.18 | ChrisW | tralala: what's the difference? |
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| 09:03.39 | ChrisW | I now have something I can mount up as ext3 at /dev/sdg1 |
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| 09:03.51 | marky_x | hi |
| 09:03.57 | ChrisW | but yet when I look at h cfdisk /dev/sdg, it still says I have 1 Fat32 partition... |
| 09:04.05 | ChrisW | how do I correct that? |
| 09:04.46 | marky_x | anyone who knows where xorgconfig has gone in unstable? it seems it disappeared |
| 09:05.01 | ChrisW | tralala, opqdonut: any ideas? |
| 09:05.09 | tralala | ChrisW: change the partition type with fdisk. Formatting is creating tracks. Making filesystems is writing data on the tracks. |
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| 09:05.48 | tralala | onetinsoldier: you should be using sarge |
| 09:05.51 | ChrisW | okay, can I do that with cfdisk too? |
| 09:06.22 | onetinsoldier | LOL |
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| 09:06.34 | onetinsoldier | why do you say that? |
| 09:06.34 | ChrisW | seems odd that I can mount up the partition just fine as ext3, even though cfdisk tells me it's ext3... |
| 09:06.38 | ChrisW | what's the deal with that? |
| 09:06.46 | tralala | onetinsoldier: because I mean it |
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| 09:07.53 | onetinsoldier | why? becuase X won't work for me? |
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| 09:08.57 | tralala | onetinsoldier: because Sarge is for users. It simply works. |
| 09:09.06 | onetinsoldier | roger... |
| 09:09.52 | fluxdude | i've got a weird problem, df is giving minus numbers! see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2247484#post2247484 |
| 09:10.14 | onetinsoldier | i used to be a power user a long time ago... i ran sid from whenit was fairly new and continued to use it for quite a long time. but i am veeerry rusty now |
| 09:10.41 | tralala | I am a power user and I still run sarge |
| 09:10.50 | onetinsoldier | yeah, i hear you |
| 09:11.06 | onetinsoldier | yo certainly don't have to live on the edge to be a power user |
| 09:11.23 | ChrisW | bizarre... is it common for the partition information on FS Type to be incorrect in debian, or linux in general for that matter... |
| 09:12.00 | ChrisW | I see running cfdisk against my primary hard disk shows an FS Type of "Free Space"... |
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| 09:12.37 | tralala | ChrisW: why are you doing all these things? |
| 09:12.48 | ChrisW | well ,that was just looking |
| 09:12.52 | teledyn | fluxdude: try the -k or -h switch? |
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| 09:13.11 | ChrisW | but the reason I'm doing it is that I have an external 160GB USB hard drive I use for backup |
| 09:13.43 | ChrisW | it's Iomega so came formatted with Fat32, which sucks if you're trying to rsync files with names that are only allowed on unix filesystems onto it |
| 09:14.20 | ChrisW | so I reformatted the partition to ext3 using mkfs.ext3 |
| 09:14.45 | tralala | is it okay now? |
| 09:14.54 | ChrisW | well, this is hte odd thing |
| 09:15.03 | ChrisW | on this machine, it all _works_ by the looks of it |
| 09:15.22 | ChrisW | I'm just curious why the FS Types shown in cfdisk isn't what I'd expect it to be... |
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| 09:16.07 | bibe | ChrisW: cfdisk doesn't check the partitions' filesystems, but only relies on what's stored in the MBR (or something like that) |
| 09:16.18 | tralala | ChrisW: disk partitioning tools have nothing to do with filesystems. You're not seeing the FS type, but the *partition* type. |
| 09:16.25 | ChrisW | bibe: right, so it's basically a test field? ;-) |
| 09:16.32 | ChrisW | test -> text |
| 09:16.49 | bibe | ChrisW: not really, it's the *partition* type, as tralala suggested |
| 09:17.24 | ChrisW | okay, but how can I have an ext3-formatted Fat32 partition? |
| 09:17.55 | marky_x | thnx for your help, bye |
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| 09:18.04 | tralala | ChrisW: why don't you ask google about partition types if you really want to learn about them? |
| 09:18.09 | teledyn | ChrisW: linux won't care about the partition type which is just like a label, but windows will |
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| 09:18.21 | ChrisW | teledyn: right, that's what I thought |
| 09:18.48 | ChrisW | if I use cfdisk to change the partition type, will it affect any data on the partition? |
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| 09:18.54 | nash-18 | hi |
| 09:18.58 | teledyn | ChrisW: no |
| 09:18.58 | tralala | ChrisW: no |
| 09:19.01 | nash-18 | do you know if there are a new experimental repository? |
| 09:19.07 | nash-18 | I have this: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 09:19.31 | ChrisW | cool, so I should be able to just change these both to ext3 and be done with it, right? |
| 09:19.35 | nash-18 | when i do apt-get update crashed download of experimental repository |
| 09:20.18 | tralala | there is somebody for whom sid is waaay too old! |
| 09:20.21 | tralala | !win nash-18 |
| 09:20.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, nash-18! You have won the US presidency! |
| 09:20.28 | teledyn | ChrisW: correct |
| 09:21.01 | tralala | ChrisW: there isn't an ext3 partition type |
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| 09:21.10 | ChrisW | hurm, when I hit the "type" button, |
| 09:22.12 | teledyn | good point tralala |
| 09:22.18 | ChrisW | tralala: well, I was just about to say, but then, on my hosted servers, the type shows " Linux ext3" |
| 09:22.26 | ChrisW | how'd they do that? ;-) |
| 09:22.33 | ChrisW | also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cfdisk |
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| 09:23.47 | teledyn | hmm, my swap and / partition are both labelled 1c Hidden W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
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| 09:23.57 | ChrisW | nice ;-) |
| 09:23.59 | Sandy | hi there |
| 09:24.00 | jaro | hello there. |
| 09:24.19 | ChrisW | well, my / is labelled "Free Space", which is a little disturbing... |
| 09:25.16 | Sandy | is anybody there wanna chat with me ;) |
| 09:25.16 | tralala | ChrisW: perhaps if you don't use such "clever" tools like cfdisk you will get a better picture of what's going on |
| 09:25.32 | ChrisW | tralala: such as what? |
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| 09:25.47 | tralala | ChrisW: fdisk |
| 09:26.05 | tralala | !aolify Sandy |
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| 09:26.23 | jaro | I've had problems with my system partition - disk seems to by dying and fs got corrupted a bit. /usr/lib was hit by the corruption & some things were "wiped out" by the fsck. I'd like to know if there is something that could check integrity of all installed packages? |
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| 09:27.45 | ChrisW | tralala: from "man fdisk": There are several *fdisk programs around. Each has its problems and strengths. Try them in the order cfdisk, |
| 09:27.45 | ChrisW | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.33 | tralala | ChrisW: the time has come for you to move on according to the order |
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| 09:28.51 | jaro | sfdisk is designed primarily for batch/machine use, isn't it? |
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| 09:29.16 | ChrisW | tralala: well, listing ytpes in fdisk still doesn't show ext3 ;-) |
| 09:29.29 | tralala | !win ChrisW |
| 09:29.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, ChrisW! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 09:30.20 | AbyssGer | lo anybody can help me out with some vncserver settings? |
| 09:30.22 | ChrisW | yeha, whatever... I just disk what you suggested, and I'm pointing out it doesn't list ext3 either, yet somehow "ext3" got set on at least 2 machines I admin... how'd that happen? |
| 09:30.35 | ChrisW | AbyssGer: I'll try... |
| 09:30.41 | TTT | AbyssGer: what's wrong with those settings? |
| 09:30.47 | AbyssGer | i want to use for vncserver-session the gnome env |
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| 09:31.24 | jerware | fellaz |
| 09:31.27 | tralala | ChrisW: did you see the type "ext3" on these machines with fdisk?! I didn't think so. |
| 09:31.35 | AbyssGer | ive intstalled the gnome env but it always starts an simple gui with 1 terminal |
| 09:31.39 | ChrisW | tralala: sorry? |
| 09:32.04 | tralala | ChrisW: never mind |
| 09:32.15 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:32.23 | AbyssGer | TTT : i think the settings are okay but they dont fit in my case :) |
| 09:32.32 | jerware | i installed a linksys, wireless PCI card in my computer after installing debian. where can i get a driver? I cannot use apt until i get a network connection with my wifi card. (im currently in a public library with my lap top) |
| 09:32.51 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with nfs-user, I cannot mount from remote... I even configured hosts.allow and restarted mountd |
| 09:33.01 | tralala | !tell jerware -about wireless |
| 09:33.02 | ChrisW | tralala: yeah, fdisk shows them as plain "Linux" |
| 09:33.02 | TTT | jerware: which linksys? |
| 09:33.04 | jerware | is there a bin file for such a driver that i can upload? |
| 09:33.06 | AbyssGer | ChrisW TTT : i want to use gnoem for vnc-sessions |
| 09:33.19 | jelly-ho | ChrisW: Re ...the type shows " Linux ext3", that would be probably because the partitioning softwware you used also took a peek at the actual partition contents. |
| 09:33.21 | ChrisW | so where is cfdisk getting the info to show ext3? |
| 09:33.32 | jerware | tralala thanx |
| 09:33.35 | ChrisW | jelly-ho: mmm, okay... |
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| 09:34.01 | jelly-ho | ChrisW: betcha if you zero out the partition, it wouldn't print that. ;-) |
| 09:34.44 | TTT | AbyssGer: sorry, i can't help you with that. I use VNC on win32 myself, linux has X |
| 09:34.47 | tralala | ChrisW: I'm not using tools that are trying to outsmart me |
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| 09:35.13 | ChrisW | jelly-ho: good call, I changed the type to "Linux", and cfdisk nwo finds it as ext3 |
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| 09:35.19 | ChrisW | ltitle confusing, but nevermind |
| 09:35.25 | ChrisW | tralala: thansk for nothing ;-) |
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| 09:35.52 | tralala | !customer |
| 09:35.53 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 09:36.42 | zu22 | lol |
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| 09:39.33 | jaaroo | fsck wiped out some invalid entries found in /usr/lib after fs corruption. I'd like to repair the problem so I'm searching for something that could check integrity of installed packages and report those which aren't complete. |
| 09:40.47 | fluxdude | teledyn: sorry for the delay but df -k or df -h still give the same result, df is still giving negative figures |
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| 09:41.14 | SpAnIaRd | ello |
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| 09:41.22 | SpAnIaRd | would someone be able to help me with mailwatch? |
| 09:42.07 | tralala | jaaroo: /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgname.list contains the files of the package. With a simple script you can test them all. |
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| 09:42.37 | SpAnIaRd | it's in regards to permission issues |
| 09:42.39 | efaistos | vin`: hi |
| 09:43.14 | efaistos | vin`: finally i found the problem about Xorg and the ati driver ... I just commented the dri entry in xorg.conf ... |
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| 09:43.55 | SpAnIaRd | anyone? |
| 09:44.02 | freelancer | hi peoples |
| 09:44.05 | tralala | !tell SpAnIaRd -about ask |
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| 09:44.22 | fluxdude | has anybody seen df giving neagtive figures before? |
| 09:44.30 | nitalaut | hi everyone! |
| 09:44.56 | SpAnIaRd | I can't get permissions to work for mailwatch...it doesn't let www-data (which I assume is the apache user) to access the quarantine folder |
| 09:45.00 | efaistos | is there a pkg for the fonts in console ? I reconfigured my locales and i still have a "?" instead of a "é" ... I'm using french locales |
| 09:45.04 | SpAnIaRd | even though i gave the www-data user permission |
| 09:45.59 | tralala | efaistos: try language-env |
| 09:46.39 | nitalaut | Guys help please! I need some kind of traffic accounting system. The purpose is to give statistics on all traffic divided by type of protocol(tcp udp etc) and by port(25 110 etc). I've search google and found nothing suitable -((( |
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| 09:47.16 | nitalaut | My network has 1 linux server acting as a gateway |
| 09:47.24 | nitalaut | server has 2 interfaces |
| 09:47.34 | nitalaut | so typical situation |
| 09:47.45 | efaistos | tralala: i'll try this out :) |
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| 09:48.28 | jerware | TTT: it's a WMP54G are you familiar with that? |
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| 09:49.30 | liable | SpAnIaRd: how did you give www-data permission? |
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| 09:50.18 | TTT | jerome: i'll check |
| 09:50.51 | efaistos | tralala: thanks it worked |
| 09:50.52 | efaistos | :) |
| 09:51.14 | paxed | after installing nvidia drivers (via the nvidia installer), it works, but after rebooting, xorg won't start. the nvidia module is loaded, and the /dev/nvidia* do exist. xorg log shows no WW or EE lines. help? |
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| 09:52.18 | nitalaut | Guys help please! I need some kind of traffic accounting system. The purpose is to give statistics on all traffic divided by type of protocol(tcp udp etc) and by port(25 110 etc). I've search google and found nothing suitable -((( |
| 09:52.40 | tralala | !tell nitalaut -about repeat |
| 09:52.50 | tralala | !tell paxed -about nvidia one liner |
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| 09:53.59 | paxed | tralala: apart from not using the debian way to install the nvidia module, i've done all that says. |
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| 09:54.52 | tralala | paxed: so you didn't use the debian way and it didn't work. Why not try the debian way now and see if it will work this time? |
| 09:55.24 | yang | how can i remove all words named "test" in a text file ? |
| 09:55.35 | tarzeau | yang: -i s,test,,g textfile |
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| 09:55.47 | tralala | !wayttd yang |
| 09:55.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, yang? |
| 09:56.08 | tarzeau | yang: protest will get pro only though |
| 09:56.36 | yang | tarzeau: which command with the -i parameter? |
| 09:56.36 | tarzeau | yang: and testicle icle |
| 09:56.39 | paxed | tralala: because every time i've tried the debian way, it didn't work, but ohwell, i guess i can try that, again... |
| 09:56.48 | tarzeau | yang: sed |
| 09:57.13 | TTT | nitalaut: hm, the way this is usually done |
| 09:57.40 | TTT | nitalaut: is adding some iptables rules, and each rule (chain) can count the number of packets that got through it |
| 09:57.43 | yang | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 09:58.01 | TTT | nitalaut: add periodical saving of these values into database, and clearing, and you have some traffic accounting |
| 09:58.11 | tralala | yang: this will permanently alter your file |
| 09:58.11 | TTT | nitalaut: i don't know if there are some ready to use tools though |
| 09:58.45 | yang | yeah its ok |
| 09:59.41 | nitalaut | TTT -)) I understand how is's usually done...the problem that I'm not a programmer and cannot do it by myself -(( |
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| 10:00.51 | tralala | nitalaut: that's ok, there are a plenty of programmers out here who will be happy to get hired and do it for you |
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| 10:01.04 | tralala | out there |
| 10:01.05 | visik7 | hi |
| 10:01.07 | onetinsoldier | what's the best way to keep some modules from loading on boot? just move them out of the /lib/modules/<kernel>/<blah> dir? |
| 10:01.08 | acecile | do you know how I can change font color in a shell script ? |
| 10:01.17 | john_doe | How do I reconfigure time? My clock is two hours ahead. |
| 10:01.18 | visik7 | is there an easy way to create a repo and up to an ftp my debs ? |
| 10:01.24 | tralala | onetinsoldier: blacklist |
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| 10:01.58 | TTT | nitalaut: how exact do you want that accouting to be? Are you just trying to do diagnostics, or are you going to bill someone based on that info? |
| 10:02.00 | onetinsoldier | tralala: ok.. thought i'd seen people talking about that before. there is more than on blacklist file... hmmm |
| 10:02.01 | tralala | john_doe: tzconfig |
| 10:02.19 | TTT | jerware: are you still aroung? |
| 10:02.22 | nitalaut | tralala =) i have no doubt in this but the truth is that i've no money for this purpose and therefore looking for some free variant =)) |
| 10:03.01 | onetinsoldier | this one? /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 10:03.01 | john_doe | tralala: thanks! |
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| 10:03.14 | tralala | onetinsoldier: yes |
| 10:03.40 | onetinsoldier | tralala: ok, thank you! very much appreciated |
| 10:03.56 | tralala | nitalaut: nothing is free |
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| 10:04.00 | john_doe | tralala: ok, my time zone is correct, but the clock is not. How can that be? |
| 10:04.05 | nitalaut | except linux |
| 10:04.12 | john_doe | tralala: or what can I do, I should ask.... |
| 10:04.22 | tralala | john_doe: ntpdate |
| 10:04.33 | TTT | john_doe: date <somedate> also sets date when you run it as root |
| 10:04.34 | r_marvin | john: ntpdate CC.pool.ntp.org |
| 10:04.44 | r_marvin | where CC is your country code |
| 10:04.53 | r_marvin | or continent |
| 10:05.11 | john_doe | TTT: so I should just set the hwclock manually? |
| 10:05.24 | tralala | nitalaut: if you consider your time as being free, then use some of that free time and learn some programming and you'll have your problem solved for free |
| 10:05.29 | r_marvin | john_doe: ntpdate, then hwclock --systohc |
| 10:05.38 | onetinsoldier | john_doe: i use ntpdate. or you can edit a file in /etc/default/rcS if all you use is linux |
| 10:05.44 | john_doe | r_marvin: yes, I see. thank you |
| 10:05.46 | TTT | john_doe: if you can use ntpdate. Less hassle, more accurate, no more blinking 12 |
| 10:05.52 | nitalaut | tralala you're some kind of hu,orist i see -) |
| 10:05.56 | nitalaut | humorist |
| 10:06.07 | onetinsoldier | i mean a line |
| 10:06.08 | john_doe | onetinsoldier: hmm, my brother uses win on this machine... |
| 10:06.10 | TTT | nitalaut: strange, search in freshmeat.net and in sf.net for "traffic accounting" yelds tons of hits |
| 10:06.15 | TTT | nitalaut: you should check these out |
| 10:06.25 | onetinsoldier | john_doe: then just install ntpdate! |
| 10:06.46 | TTT | john_doe: ntpdate will synchronize time each time you boot up |
| 10:06.51 | onetinsoldier | yep |
| 10:06.53 | nitalaut | <TTT> thanks ! |
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| 10:07.24 | Shadur | when the same syntax for any other kind of check works just fine? |
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| 10:08.04 | paxed | tralala: well, now i'm stumped at "apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings", i get "Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.", and yes, i do have main contrib non-free in sources.list |
| 10:08.13 | Shadur | "if cpu > 60% for 2 cycles then alert" works without a hitch, in the same check bracket. So does "if cpu > 80% for 5 cycles then restart" and half a dozen others. |
| 10:09.22 | TTT | hm, after I installed X11R7, quake3 started running very slowly, although other opengl apps (like ppracer) are fine. (Radeon 9250, sid). Has anyone encountered similar problems? |
| 10:09.23 | tralala | paxed: are you rinning sarge? |
| 10:09.30 | tralala | running |
| 10:09.33 | john_doe | TTT: I will, thanks |
| 10:09.39 | paxed | tralala: testing |
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| 10:10.16 | tralala | paxed: myabe it's missing from testing for some reason. |
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| 10:11.28 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: hey there! |
| 10:12.07 | paxed | tralala: so, any ideas why xorg won't start after reboot if i do it via nvidia's installer? |
| 10:12.07 | liable | TTT: do you have neverball? i only get half the screen in the window and i dunno if its xorg or neverball, as i am also having problems with another game (not in the repos) |
| 10:12.39 | tralala | paxed: no, sorry |
| 10:13.56 | onetinsoldier | paxed: did you try a startx on the command line? might be able to see something you normally wouldn't... i don't know though |
| 10:13.59 | TTT | liable: no, i don't have neverball, and I can't test it right now, but i'll try checking it out when I have time. |
| 10:14.24 | liable | TTT: ok, thanks |
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| 10:16.25 | paxed | onetinsoldier: yes, that's how i start X... the error msg was something like error 104, connection reset by peer. |
| 10:16.35 | onetinsoldier | oh...i see |
| 10:16.53 | paxed | onetinsoldier: is, in typical X fashion is sooo damn helpful. *rolleye* |
| 10:17.03 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 10:17.14 | onetinsoldier | or should i say, sorry |
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| 10:18.01 | TTT | paxed: what do X logs say? /var/log/...? |
| 10:18.11 | paxed | TTT: no WW or EE lines |
| 10:18.19 | TTT | strange |
| 10:18.55 | paxed | ahwell, i guess i'll just run the nvidia installer every time i reboot and want 3d accel. |
| 10:19.37 | yaarg | wtf |
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| 10:20.57 | tralala | paxed: or you might use sarge as alternative and be spared the testing's problems |
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| 10:21.41 | TTT | heh, i wonder, what other 3D accelerated cards besides Radeon (up to) 9250 have 100% open-source drivers? |
| 10:21.53 | TTT | do Intel's integrated cards have them? |
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| 10:22.14 | tralala | TTT: I think none. This is why I'm a proud owner of 9250 |
| 10:22.46 | TTT | tralala: same here. But thing is, I want a new box with PCIe, and there are no 9250 that fit into pci express slot |
| 10:22.52 | TTT | tralala: so we are a dying breed |
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| 10:23.56 | tralala | TTT: it would seem so. Actually the radeon 3d is not good enough for playing torcs so I have to use the ati driver anyhow. |
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| 10:24.37 | onetinsoldier | what's torcs? |
| 10:24.43 | paxed | 3d racing game |
| 10:24.50 | onetinsoldier | ahh, cool |
| 10:25.11 | Trewas | TTT: integrated intels do have working opensource 3d drivers (I think they are the most complete of the open drivers), but they are very slow and lack most modern 3d acceleration features |
| 10:25.36 | onetinsoldier | they're like an S3 Virge |
| 10:25.37 | TTT | hm, unless r300.sf.net or noveau.sf.net succeed, we're screwed :-( |
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| 10:26.08 | TTT | Trewas: GM9xx series look fine, but I don't think they have drivers (yet?) |
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| 10:26.35 | freelancer_ | arhgg |
| 10:26.36 | tralala | TTT: we will be screwed anyhow untill we stop buying hardware that doesn't have opensource dirvers |
| 10:26.58 | Trewas | TTT: my laptop has GM915 and it is working fine, they are supported with i810 driver in X |
| 10:27.14 | TTT | tralala: we (i mean you and me) can stop buying such hardware, but others won't, so we won't matter |
| 10:27.45 | TTT | Trewas: how slow it is, compared to other 3D cards? radeon 7500 slow? rage128 slow? |
| 10:28.50 | tralala | TTT: we can (and should) stop it and perhaps the others will some day. Until then all of us (not only me and you) are screwed. |
| 10:28.57 | Trewas | TTT: I can't really say... the only thing I can compare against is 6600GT and the difference is pretty noticeable ;) |
| 10:30.44 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 10:31.10 | elephantMan | Where do i set up where system check for executables : /usr/bin, /usr/sbin...etc |
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| 10:31.22 | TTT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.00 | TTT | elephantMan: for just your own user, or system wide? system wide- /etc/profile, your own- ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 10:32.19 | zu22 | is there a command that will tell me the total number of packages available in unstable? |
| 10:32.23 | Trewas | TTT: btw if you have some benchmark in mind I can try, though I am not aware of any good free 3d benchmarks |
| 10:32.39 | TTT | Trewas: no, I don't |
| 10:32.54 | tralala | zu22: assuming that you run unstable dpkg -l | wc -l |
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| 10:33.08 | TTT | Trewas: maybe running quake3 demo would work, but then you'd need q3 |
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| 10:35.43 | Ugly_Duck | any one able to inform me as to what package i need for this? |
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| 10:35.58 | Ugly_Duck | configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first *** |
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| 10:36.11 | possie | where can i find the WWN number of my hba ? |
| 10:36.12 | Ugly_Duck | installed libglib dev |
| 10:36.15 | binaryguy | trewas: I think wine can run 3Dmark 2000 |
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| 10:37.58 | ashk | Hi, |
| 10:38.04 | TTT | Ugly_Duck: uwhich version of libglib? apt-cache show libglib-dev, should show version. Maybe your distro ships old glib, and you need more recent one |
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| 10:38.18 | ashk | I am stuck with BADSIG errot for apt-get update, |
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| 10:38.31 | ashk | Does anyone have any solution dor it? |
| 10:38.34 | giogio | guys, can you help please? |
| 10:38.55 | giogio | I am helping my friend and convincinghim that debian is better then windows |
| 10:39.08 | TTT | giogio: with what? |
| 10:39.09 | giogio | He has Radeon 9600 videocard |
| 10:39.14 | bibe | giogio : better at what? |
| 10:39.20 | fisrado | giogio, |
| 10:39.26 | giogio | but cant get resolution higher than 800-600 |
| 10:39.32 | liable | ashk: try a different mirror |
| 10:39.38 | ashk | debian:/home/ashk# apt-get update |
| 10:39.39 | ashk | Get: 1 http://ftp.port80.se testing Release.gpg [189B] |
| 10:39.41 | ashk | Hit http://ftp.port80.se testing Release |
| 10:39.43 | ashk | Errhttp://ftp.port80.se testing Release |
| 10:39.43 | ashk | Get: 2 http://ftp.port80.se testing Release [35.4kB] |
| 10:39.45 | ashk | Ign http://ftp.port80.se testing Release |
| 10:39.47 | ashk | Hit http://ftp.port80.se testing/main Packages |
| 10:39.49 | ashk | Hit http://ftp.port80.se testing/contrib Packages |
| 10:39.51 | ashk | Hit http://ftp.port80.se testing/non-free Packages |
| 10:39.52 | fisrado | why not show him some debian based live cd which have a good hw detection |
| 10:39.52 | ashk | Fetched 35.6kB in 19s (1864B/s) |
| 10:39.53 | RvGaTe | damn |
| 10:39.53 | ashk | Reading package lists... Done |
| 10:39.53 | liable | ashk: STOP IT |
| 10:39.55 | ashk | W: GPG error: http://ftp.port80.se testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 10:39.56 | ashk | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 10:39.57 | liable | fuck sake |
| 10:39.59 | RvGaTe | STOP |
| 10:39.59 | tarzeau | ashk: stop it |
| 10:40.02 | ashk | OK |
| 10:40.07 | ashk | dont be angry |
| 10:40.14 | bibe | ashk : don't paste |
| 10:40.17 | ashk | Sorry |
| 10:40.19 | giogio | can you guys recomend me something please? |
| 10:40.26 | ashk | OK my fault |
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| 10:40.35 | giogio | just want to get him the high resolution |
| 10:40.37 | fisrado | giogio, recently there was a live cd which is installable as well called elive |
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| 10:40.55 | giogio | I installed allright with neinsts |
| 10:41.01 | fisrado | i have tried it on my IBM T 40 and there i can get 1280x1024 res |
| 10:41.03 | giogio | everything is fine except the resolution |
| 10:41.08 | ashk | Does any one have any problem with updating debian recently? |
| 10:41.10 | fisrado | hhhmmm |
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| 10:41.21 | TTT | giogio: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/x11/XFree86.conf |
| 10:41.23 | fisrado | used xfree86 or x.org? |
| 10:41.37 | giogio | how do i do that? |
| 10:41.41 | giogio | TTT? |
| 10:41.48 | tarzeau | ashk: no. use a better mirror |
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| 10:41.58 | TTT | open file with text editor as root |
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| 10:42.32 | ashk | ibiblio had that problem I changed it to new one and that one worked for one day and now it has the same problem |
| 10:42.45 | giogio | brb |
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| 10:43.04 | ashk | And I have added the gpg key too and it wond be updated anymore |
| 10:43.09 | tarzeau | ashk: use an official one |
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| 10:43.17 | tarzeau | ashk: one with debian.org in the dns name |
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| 10:43.42 | ashk | ok thank you so much, |
| 10:43.49 | ashk | I will try another one, |
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| 10:44.10 | Ugly_Duck | TTT: ii libglib1.2-dev 1.2.10-9 Development files for GLib library && ii libglib2.0-dev 2.6.4-1 Development files for the GLib library |
| 10:44.17 | ashk | Sorry for that paste again, |
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| 10:45.43 | echnaton | Are there any information about the differences between aptitude and apt? |
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| 10:50.04 | indio2 | ± |
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| 10:51.52 | stoned | awake |
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| 10:52.03 | firestorm | Hi. Have installed Ubuntu on a laptop and when I close it I cannot get it to recover. Have to shut it down and power it up again :( Any hints? |
| 10:52.21 | TTT | firestorm: hints are in #ubuntu |
| 10:52.27 | tarzeau | !ubuntu2debian |
| 10:52.27 | dpkg | well, ubuntu2debian is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 10:52.34 | tarzeau | firestorm: you can convert it to debian if you want |
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| 10:52.40 | firestorm | Sorry, typo....debian! |
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| 10:52.47 | firestorm | Have installed Debian on a laptop and when I close it I cannot get it to recover. Have to shut it down and power it up again :( Any hints? |
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| 10:53.30 | aLeSD | hi all |
| 10:53.45 | aLeSD | where I could find the file to configure my soundboard ? |
| 10:53.48 | firestorm | tarzeau: CTCP version will probably show you CentOS :P not on my laptop as I type...trying to get an answer that I can try interactively - currently laptop is not responding after lid is closed and re-opened...tried heaps of different key combos etc |
| 10:53.51 | tarzeau | aLeSD: do you have debian? |
| 10:53.51 | sep | !suspend |
| 10:53.51 | aLeSD | I mean by hand |
| 10:53.51 | dpkg | i guess suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
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| 10:54.06 | aLeSD | tarzeau: I have ubuntu ... but nobody |
| 10:54.12 | tarzeau | aLeSD: it's not the same |
| 10:54.16 | tarzeau | aLeSD: go ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:54.24 | aLeSD | really ? |
| 10:54.24 | tarzeau | firestorm: why are you in #ubuntu then? |
| 10:54.24 | stoned | tarzeau, I feel for you man |
| 10:54.31 | tarzeau | aLeSD: yes really. |
| 10:54.34 | stoned | heh |
| 10:54.35 | liable | aLeSD: run alsaconf |
| 10:54.37 | aLeSD | I was thinking that ubuntu was debian based |
| 10:54.47 | stoned | !debian based |
| 10:54.48 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 10:54.50 | tarzeau | aLeSD: but debian is not ubuntu based |
| 10:54.51 | liable | aLeSD: oh, thats right, ubuntu doesnt have it, ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:55.07 | tarzeau | stoned: like what? |
| 10:55.16 | aLeSD | ok , thanks |
| 10:55.30 | firestorm | tarzeau: because a lot of debian problems are probably shared with ubuntu...wider audience to help troubleshoot |
| 10:55.30 | stoned | tarzeau, oh nothing, just that I feel for you |
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| 10:55.33 | echnaton | hey we are a community so try to help other people if they ask |
| 10:55.36 | echnaton | you can help |
| 10:55.37 | tarzeau | firestorm: bullshit |
| 10:55.39 | stoned | tarzeau, what with all the ubuntu buggers |
| 10:56.00 | elephantMan | When i 'env', i got the right path in 'PATH=usr/bin/, mypath' |
| 10:56.02 | liable | echnaton: please dont start this war. you can go help him in #ubuntu |
| 10:56.03 | tarzeau | firestorm: that's why ubuntu have their own bug tracking (if they do) |
| 10:56.09 | echnaton | liable, that is no war |
| 10:56.13 | elephantMan | but apps doesn't seam to find the executable |
| 10:56.24 | elephantMan | As if PATH had no effect |
| 10:56.26 | echnaton | and if they have problems that seem to bee kernel problems why should they go anyway? |
| 10:56.34 | echnaton | but liable ill stop that |
| 10:56.36 | elephantMan | Where do i have to setup global path for executables ? |
| 10:56.42 | stoned | elephantMan, maybe the path is wrong? |
| 10:56.56 | elephantMan | stoned, no i am shure of it its good |
| 10:57.07 | tarzeau | aLeSD: but if you want i can help you remove all ubuntu and have a debian system, interested? |
| 10:57.29 | elephantMan | Is it possible that some apps search in another file for globalpathes ? |
| 10:57.45 | aLeSD | thanks ... I prefer gentoo ... but ubuntu is for people from Windows |
| 10:57.49 | aLeSD | :) |
| 10:59.11 | tarzeau | elephantMan: yes |
| 10:59.12 | stoned | aLeSD, it isn't for people with windows. Its just for people. They are trying to corner the new to linux market of windows users, but that doesn't make it neccesserily bad. This is a topic that is like chasing your own tail, you'll not get anywhere with it, I say drop it, find yourself in #ubuntu or don't ask for support here |
| 10:59.16 | tarzeau | elephantMan: gnustep software does so |
| 10:59.20 | liable | aLeSD: ubuntu definately has its place, and yes, its based on debian, but they change it enough to make life hard for debian people hard to diagnose problems because things that should work on debian, dont. |
| 11:00.04 | stoned | liable, really man, sid gives me less shit than buntututut |
| 11:00.07 | stoned | ubnut |
| 11:00.12 | stoned | ubuntu* |
| 11:00.29 | liable | stoned: put the bing down :P |
| 11:00.29 | tarzeau | stoned: stop inventing new typos for ubunutu and variations |
| 11:00.34 | liable | bong.. |
| 11:00.40 | stoned | bing lol |
| 11:00.51 | liable | :) |
| 11:00.58 | stoned | tarzeau, I like to call it buntu tutu but thas just me |
| 11:01.06 | stoned | the second one was an honest mistake |
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| 11:01.07 | tarzeau | stoned: i call it ubunto |
| 11:01.09 | aLeSD | ok ok |
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| 11:02.13 | raf256`_ | debian sucks, why apt-get fails? |
| 11:02.18 | stoned | lol |
| 11:02.18 | tarzeau | raf256`_: it doesn't |
| 11:02.20 | stoned | not this asshole again |
| 11:02.22 | stoned | good god |
| 11:02.33 | raf256`_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:02.34 | raf256`_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.34 | raf256`_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.34 | raf256`_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.41 | sep | raf256`_, your admin suck then . he have misconfigured apt then |
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| 11:02.53 | tarzeau | raf256`_: look that's a dependency problem. kde sucks |
| 11:02.55 | stoned | sep, dont' bother, he comes in all the time, disses debian and tries to get support that way |
| 11:03.00 | tarzeau | raf256`_: not debian. and not dpkg and not apt-get |
| 11:03.09 | tarzeau | raf256`_: go BTS or #debian-kde |
| 11:03.09 | sep | stoned, ack |
| 11:03.10 | raf256`_ | tarzeau: first time after big upgrade it was like 15 packages |
| 11:03.21 | tarzeau | raf256`_: look i told you this is not a debian problem |
| 11:03.30 | raf256`_ | tarzeau: well but dependencies are not debian problem? |
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| 11:03.44 | tarzeau | raf256`_: no, it's the debian package maintainers of kde problem |
| 11:03.50 | raf256`_ | stoned: stop lying ass hole |
| 11:03.53 | tarzeau | raf256`_: the debian base installation doesn't have kde |
| 11:04.00 | raf256`_ | tarzeau: hmm oh, ok |
| 11:04.16 | raf256`_ | sep: stoned is lying, btw |
| 11:04.28 | tarzeau | raf256`_: it could also be just your mirror, or a user fault (mixing archives?) |
| 11:04.48 | raf256`_ | tarzeau: it is testing |
| 11:04.55 | stoned | <raf256`_> debian sucks, why apt-get fails? <-- last time I remember you were RAILING on the debian developers, calling them idiots multiple times and starting shit |
| 11:05.01 | stoned | raf256`_, I dont' make things up |
| 11:05.02 | tarzeau | raf256`_: oh testing. yes testing sucks if you ask me |
| 11:05.03 | raf256`_ | in stable it is guaranteed that no such conflicts will ever appear? |
| 11:05.13 | tarzeau | raf256`_: yes |
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| 11:05.43 | raf256`_ | stoned: I was bashing devels of not-working-by-dfault VNC |
| 11:05.44 | tarzeau | stoned: he's free to be a bigger debian developer idiot |
| 11:05.46 | raf256`_ | *default |
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| 11:06.00 | stoned | tarzeau, that he is |
| 11:06.11 | tarzeau | raf256`_: https://nm.debian.org/newnm.php |
| 11:06.21 | stoned | raf256`_, you're in linux. don't expect things to work out of the box |
| 11:06.44 | raf256`_ | stoned: stupid statement, it assume linux is worse then windows |
| 11:06.59 | raf256`_ | stoned: most things usually do work by default, well, at least for me |
| 11:07.10 | yaarg | that's funny, vnc works out of the box here |
| 11:07.20 | yaarg | i think the problem is teh user :P |
| 11:07.20 | tarzeau | yaarg: he has testing |
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| 11:07.30 | yaarg | i only run testing |
| 11:07.33 | raf256`_ | yaarg: no, there is a known problem |
| 11:07.35 | stoned | welcome to ignore, I pity the man taking the time to help you |
| 11:07.51 | giogio | fixed it! |
| 11:07.52 | quitte | i tried installing w2k yesterday. dont expect win to work ever anymore |
| 11:07.54 | giogio | thanks guys! |
| 11:07.55 | raf256`_ | yaarg: set client to 24 bpp and server to afair 24 or 32, then client will not connect |
| 11:07.58 | quitte | i |
| 11:08.07 | raf256`_ | stoned: blow me ass hole |
| 11:08.08 | tarzeau | quitte: man use XP! |
| 11:08.11 | giogio | How do i install software on Debian (kde) ? |
| 11:08.21 | raf256`_ | giogio: apt-get install .. or run synaptic |
| 11:08.22 | giogio | I want to install firefox.. please |
| 11:08.35 | stoned | giogio, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 11:08.35 | tarzeau | giogio: #debian-kde |
| 11:08.35 | raf256`_ | kde is not needed for firefox, is it |
| 11:08.38 | bibe | giogio : use synaptic and search for firefox |
| 11:08.42 | tarzeau | raf256`_: no |
| 11:08.56 | quitte | tarzeau: on a 900mhz machine with 256M? i had a 1,2GHZ machine with xp next to me for searching docs and it sucked even more |
| 11:09.05 | giogio | thanks |
| 11:09.08 | tarzeau | quitte: i've had windows xp on much less |
| 11:09.12 | giogio | how do i run synaptic?> |
| 11:09.12 | quitte | like they took multitasking out of it |
| 11:09.16 | tarzeau | quitte: you suck! |
| 11:09.24 | tarzeau | quitte: ever heard of cmd and dir /s ? |
| 11:09.30 | stoned | lol |
| 11:09.37 | liable | giogio: it should be in the menu |
| 11:09.41 | tarzeau | windows xp also has a meighty shell! |
| 11:09.46 | giogio | thanks! you guys are the best! |
| 11:09.48 | liable | oh dear |
| 11:09.48 | stoned | lol |
| 11:09.54 | stoned | thank god for cygwin |
| 11:09.59 | tarzeau | man do you people really not have a grain of salt? |
| 11:10.01 | stoned | at leat if you have to use windows its not as shitty |
| 11:10.03 | quitte | tarzeau: for example if you copy files from one explorer window to another you cant both windows until copy finishes |
| 11:10.06 | tarzeau | stoned: i so hate the uberbuggy cygwin crap |
| 11:10.14 | tarzeau | quitte: so what? |
| 11:10.23 | stoned | tarzeau, its the closest I can come to nix being on windows |
| 11:10.27 | tarzeau | quitte: don't use explorer then |
| 11:10.32 | Dewi | quitte: depends how you do the copy |
| 11:10.42 | tarzeau | stoned: there's some native unix tools ported to win32 (much less buggy) |
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| 11:10.49 | Dewi | quitte: in fact... I can't think of any way to make it do that. |
| 11:10.49 | tarzeau | stoned: if you want nix, use nix not windows |
| 11:10.51 | raf256`_ | tarzeau: funny thing, when I run apt-get several times, most of errors fidxed, heh. |
| 11:10.53 | stoned | tarzeau, I use those too |
| 11:11.05 | quitte | it doesn't matter i wont use it in the next 10 years probably. one day was more than enough |
| 11:11.28 | stoned | tarzeau, there are situations and times when it doesn't allow for that. For example, work, school, etc. |
| 11:11.38 | tarzeau | quitte: at least my webcam, msn, tv, radio and itunes work on it perfectly, among some nice games |
| 11:11.41 | quitte | Dewi: i just right clicked said copy and then pasted in the other window |
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| 11:12.07 | stoned | tarzeau, my only reason for running xp is to be able to play The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion |
| 11:12.21 | quitte | tarzeau: so you actually bought it when that guy popped up here and told everybody he saw you buying xp at mediamarkt? |
| 11:12.23 | Dewi | quitte: why does everyone use the clipboard to copy files? |
| 11:12.48 | stoned | Dewi, lol |
| 11:12.52 | quitte | Dewi: because thats how it worked in 3.1? |
| 11:12.57 | Dewi | no, it didn't |
| 11:13.05 | Dewi | win3.1 didn't even have that feature |
| 11:13.07 | Dewi | try again |
| 11:13.27 | quitte | Dewi: the disks are dead. i cant |
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| 11:13.32 | quitte | and i dont want to |
| 11:13.32 | Dewi | win3.1 had an actual "copy" command on the file menu |
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| 11:13.45 | stoned | I remember 3.1 |
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| 11:14.30 | stoned | I was a youngin. I had windows 3.11/workgroups and I had AOL HAHAH, and I had all those AOL hacking "Progz" lol, man those were fun days, I was like 12 years old |
| 11:14.39 | Dewi | dvd's, videos, games, and putty/xfree86 for real stuff. Windows XP is an unrivalled window manager. |
| 11:14.48 | stoned | wow, thanks man, you brought some memories back hehe |
| 11:15.38 | driftware | is anyone familar with knoppix 4.0.2 |
| 11:15.44 | tarzeau | driftware: #knoppix |
| 11:15.45 | stoned | driftware, #knoppix |
| 11:15.48 | stoned | jinx |
| 11:16.13 | driftware | sorry is that the channle i have to go to |
| 11:16.14 | liable | we need dead arm over ip |
| 11:16.18 | stoned | driftware, yes |
| 11:16.20 | tarzeau | driftware: yes |
| 11:16.43 | driftware | thanks im new to linux ...see ya around |
| 11:16.44 | alkalineX | haha |
| 11:16.50 | stoned | opterons are cheap |
| 11:16.56 | tarzeau | liable: also kick and throw something at |
| 11:16.56 | stoned | 1000$ |
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| 11:17.01 | stoned | wow |
| 11:17.24 | quitte | isnt that a lot for a cpu? |
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| 11:17.30 | stoned | huh |
| 11:17.42 | stoned | its not just a proc |
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| 11:17.58 | liable | its a lifestyle? |
| 11:18.02 | quitte | haha |
| 11:18.13 | stoned | lol |
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| 11:18.26 | Dewi | what time is it in the native timezone of #debian? |
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| 11:18.36 | maxrichard | hi |
| 11:18.38 | petemc | Dewi: there is none |
| 11:18.40 | quitte | Dewi: utc? |
| 11:18.44 | maxrichard | yes |
| 11:18.53 | Dewi | I mean the timezone... most... of these dudes... are in |
| 11:19.00 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.15 | Dewi | but I'm glad quitte said UTC... UTC makes me feel nice. |
| 11:19.23 | quitte | Dewi: i guess that also depends on the time |
| 11:19.36 | maxrichard | hello |
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| 11:19.48 | Dewi | the reason I ask is that nobody seems to be fixing computers at the moment. Is it the middle of the night or some other odd time? |
| 11:19.52 | stoned | http://www.sun.com/x64/ |
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| 11:20.18 | quitte | Dewi: 13:19. and i am trying to get debian installed,actually |
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| 11:20.20 | maxrichard | where are we come from-? |
| 11:20.22 | stoned | its 105$ cheaper than last time I checked |
| 11:20.25 | liable | Dewi: i guess most #debianites are american, and i thinks it early am there atm |
| 11:20.26 | stoned | only 895$ |
| 11:20.27 | stoned | hah |
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| 11:20.41 | tarzeau | liable: there's alot more europeans |
| 11:20.52 | tarzeau | liable: and canadians, australiasn, asians! |
| 11:20.55 | Dewi | liable: america is so wide I find it very hard to visualise what time it is there... such a blurred measurement |
| 11:21.03 | giogio | guys..I sucessfully installed firefox via synaptic.. thanks for advice.. |
| 11:21.04 | liable | tarzeau: more europeans than americans you think? |
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| 11:21.14 | tarzeau | liable: debian people (user and developer) yes |
| 11:21.22 | tarzeau | liable: americans are windows people |
| 11:21.28 | giogio | one question that comes to mind is how do I create shortcuts to software (for example firefox)? |
| 11:21.29 | Dewi | tarzeau: it's definitely more europeans in the BSD's... but this place feels kind of american |
| 11:21.32 | liable | tarzeau: interesting |
| 11:21.39 | stoned | Dewi, actually there are only 4 time zones, each apart by 1 hour, as 15 degrees on longitude is 1 hour by standard |
| 11:21.39 | giogio | I had to use "run" and type in firefox to launch it.. |
| 11:21.48 | tarzeau | Dewi: i don't feel any american here |
| 11:21.48 | stoned | Dewi, 4 hours is not a lot |
| 11:21.55 | stoned | tarzeau, I am one |
| 11:21.59 | Dewi | stoned: so 4 hour span the worst of it (excluding alaska/hawaii) ? |
| 11:22.06 | giogio | And I appologise for noob questions.. |
| 11:22.15 | maxrichard | what time is it in your country? |
| 11:22.15 | stoned | Dewi, you were talking about continental usa? |
| 11:22.20 | stoned | apparantly not |
| 11:22.21 | Dewi | stoned: yeah |
| 11:22.22 | giogio | Can someone share the wisdom? |
| 11:22.32 | quitte | tarzeau: does your debian world map still exist? |
| 11:22.34 | stoned | alaska isn't in the continental US |
| 11:22.35 | stoned | :) |
| 11:22.37 | tarzeau | quitte: sure |
| 11:22.39 | tarzeau | !dff |
| 11:22.40 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap, or http://www.frappr.com/debian |
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| 11:22.47 | stoned | if you include it, like you excluded it |
| 11:22.50 | tarzeau | quitte: and it still didn't get an update... but really i should do something |
| 11:22.50 | quitte | Dewi: there you go |
| 11:22.51 | stoned | you have more zones |
| 11:22.54 | tarzeau | quitte: maybe with google maps |
| 11:23.00 | Dewi | giogio: um... if you can't find a menu editor with a lot of right-clicking, you might need to install one |
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| 11:23.11 | liable | giogio: it should be in the menu somewhere and is dependant on the desktop/wm you use. |
| 11:23.25 | quitte | tarzeau: google maps becomes unusably slow on my machine with many spots marked on it. |
| 11:23.37 | stoned | there should be a debian dating service |
| 11:23.38 | giogio | KDE |
| 11:23.38 | tarzeau | quitte: i'd like command lint tools to access googlemaps |
| 11:23.38 | stoned | no? |
| 11:23.41 | giogio | I use KDE |
| 11:23.45 | tarzeau | quitte: including zoomable maps using cacalib |
| 11:23.49 | Dewi | giogio: oh. I was thinking gnome. |
| 11:23.59 | Dewi | giogio: I don't think I've ever done it in KDE, sorry |
| 11:24.03 | giogio | What should I do? |
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| 11:24.16 | giogio | cold I click the firefox executable and launch it? |
| 11:24.17 | liable | giogio: *click* :P |
| 11:24.19 | tarzeau | quitte: and i hope i get higher res maps of some parts in maps.google.com ... |
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| 11:24.32 | giogio | I dont even know where the aplications are located |
| 11:24.36 | tarzeau | quitte: a friend's downloaded all maps from tel.search.ch using some magic scripts :) |
| 11:24.46 | liable | giogio: i am sure you can make a desktop icon or whatver, just look around and experiment |
| 11:24.47 | Dewi | giogio: why isn't firefox already in the menu, if you have it installed? |
| 11:24.56 | giogio | I dont know |
| 11:24.59 | giogio | It'snot.. |
| 11:25.06 | giogio | I have to use "run" |
| 11:25.21 | Dewi | personally I use "run" or a terminal most of the time |
| 11:25.35 | Dewi | but for FF... well, it's already there |
| 11:25.36 | giogio | I know.. me too.. but I am trying to help my friend.. |
| 11:25.40 | Dewi | but I don't use KDE :) |
| 11:25.46 | giogio | he's from mac world.. |
| 11:25.49 | giogio | and windows.. :() |
| 11:25.56 | quitte | tarzeau: woooh. with street names and all that? |
| 11:26.07 | tralala | !tell giogio -about enter |
| 11:26.25 | giogio | got that. |
| 11:27.05 | tarzeau | quitte: not all parts still |
| 11:27.17 | tarzeau | quitte: but yes they've done quite some updates a few weeks ago |
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| 11:27.27 | Dewi | tarzeau: that's interesting. Europe is one huge blob of linux usage. |
| 11:27.32 | giogio | Where are the applications located n Debian? (example: firefox) and can I run it by double clicking the executable? |
| 11:27.39 | tarzeau | Dewi: make that free software |
| 11:27.40 | quitte | tarzeau: i'd love to see a free car navi software - even if the maps are non-free |
| 11:27.47 | Dewi | tarzeau: mmmm. |
| 11:27.53 | tarzeau | Dewi: linux is just one little needle in free software and it's just a kernel among many others |
| 11:27.58 | Dewi | tarzeau: so am I surrounded by europeans with really great english skills? |
| 11:28.15 | quitte | Dewi: yes |
| 11:28.18 | Dewi | :D |
| 11:28.24 | tralala | Dewi: english is an european language, remember? |
| 11:28.32 | giogio | guys? |
| 11:28.48 | Dewi | giogio: they are located in a range of places |
| 11:29.06 | Dewi | giogio: you can find one that is already in the runnable path by typing 'which firefox' into a term |
| 11:29.08 | bibe | giogio : it's all (probably) in the menu |
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| 11:29.37 | giogio | into a term? what do you mean? |
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| 11:29.48 | Dewi | giogio: a terminal. |
| 11:29.56 | giogio | let me try.. thanks |
| 11:29.56 | Dewi | giogio: a command prompt |
| 11:30.38 | Dewi | but you... don't want to explore your disk like you would on a mac |
| 11:30.38 | Dewi | that way madness lies |
| 11:30.39 | Dewi | to run programs I mean |
| 11:31.21 | Dewi | giogio: it's quite normal in the *nix world to keep terminals around most of the time. Just type 'firefox' into one when you want firefox. Or maybe 'firefox &' if you find the term blocks up while it runs |
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| 11:31.43 | bibe | giogio : as Dewi says, you wouldn't want to explore your disk, that's why PATH variables and menus exist |
| 11:32.01 | Dewi | tralala: depends whether england is feeling like being included in europe |
| 11:32.16 | Dewi | tralala: which does still tend to alternate a bit |
| 11:32.24 | Dewi | :) |
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| 11:33.53 | debxx | are the amd64 packages optimized ? |
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| 11:34.05 | visik7 | optimezed for what ? |
| 11:34.09 | visik7 | -O2 probably |
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| 11:34.32 | tralala | Dewi: I must admit you have a point here :) |
| 11:34.32 | quitte | Dewi: how are they not European by that. thats the European community you're talking about. and apart from them having the pound,still they are fully integrated |
| 11:34.54 | debxx | well, e. g. CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=athlon64", MAKEOPTS="-j2", CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" |
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| 11:35.30 | tralala | debxx: they are just fine |
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| 11:36.25 | debxx | i saw some benchmark where gentoo got approx 30% more performance... |
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| 11:37.24 | tralala | debxx: you might want to stay with gentoo in that case |
| 11:37.36 | debxx | i don't use gentoo |
| 11:37.51 | debxx | well I could make use of apt-build... |
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| 11:38.33 | quitte | debxx: can you show me that benchmark? |
| 11:38.57 | debxx | i dont have the url with me... |
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| 11:39.00 | debxx | sorry |
| 11:39.40 | giogio | back.. |
| 11:39.41 | Bazy | can anyone help me make a acx100 compatible wireless card work? I recompiled the kernel with acx100 support... make-kpkg... everything is working ok... I can load the acx module but no wlan0 interface is up :-( |
| 11:39.44 | giogio | I am confused... |
| 11:39.58 | Trewas | actually the integrated intel (915GM) in thinkpad X41 does not seem that bad, 30-50fps with 1024x768 resolution... TTT was asking earlier, too bad that he left :) |
| 11:40.07 | Trewas | with quake 3 |
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| 11:40.21 | asg | Bazy: does '/sbin/ifconfig -a' show an extra interface? Does dmesg mention anything? |
| 11:42.01 | Bazy | asg found the error in /var/log/dmesg, I was so angry that I forgot about dmesg :-) thank you |
| 11:42.12 | asg | Bazy: you're welcome |
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| 11:52.13 | echnaton | hi is it normal, that aptitude tries to install xfree, when I want to install cupsys on my server?! |
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| 11:53.36 | moua | hi |
| 11:54.09 | moua | does someone know something to convert .bin to .iso ? |
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| 11:55.00 | quitte | moua: you need a .cue file,too |
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| 11:55.29 | petemc | moua: i should imagine bin2iso can do that - its not in debian tho |
| 11:55.30 | quitte | moua: then you can use bchunk |
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| 11:55.52 | raf256 | hi |
| 11:55.54 | raf256 | any idea how to fix "su" problem? |
| 11:55.56 | raf256 | I get error, after logging in: configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) |
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| 11:57.33 | lord_rob | Hi ! Has non-free been removed from experimental ? |
| 11:58.36 | moua | thx quitte, bchunk seems to work |
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| 11:59.47 | ft | lord_rob: ever read sarge's release notes? |
| 11:59.58 | tralala | I cannot understand the people who would run sid or experimantal and yet would come to the support channel to ask questions. |
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| 12:00.11 | lord_rob | never used sarge ft |
| 12:00.53 | CAiRO | tralala: especially those people need support as it is a fact that sid or experimental does have more problems than stable |
| 12:01.13 | lord_rob | well it was just a question |
| 12:01.29 | lord_rob | if you don't want to answer it please don't |
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| 12:01.47 | tralala | CAiRO: neither sid nor experimental is intended to be used by people who would need support |
| 12:02.11 | CAiRO | tralala: lol, that's ridiculous, i'm sure all package developers want people to test their packages |
| 12:02.26 | CAiRO | and those testers do not have to be able to solve all the problems themselves |
| 12:02.29 | CAiRO | why would they? |
| 12:02.34 | tralala | !tell CAiRO -about testing |
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| 12:03.05 | CAiRO | !tell tralala -about testing |
| 12:03.13 | CAiRO | spam back :P |
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| 12:03.17 | lehel | hey |
| 12:03.38 | tarzeau | tralala, CAiRO i think it's perfectly fine for sid users to ask questions here |
| 12:03.40 | lehel | two laptops with wireless cards can connect to each other, right? |
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| 12:03.47 | tarzeau | it depends what they ask and how they do it |
| 12:04.00 | raf256 | update-desktop-database -q is broken |
| 12:04.07 | tarzeau | raf256: yes we know |
| 12:04.10 | raf256 | it segfaults on all my 3 desktops |
| 12:04.14 | raf256 | oh |
| 12:04.18 | tarzeau | raf256: go fix it or check BTS |
| 12:04.31 | tralala | lehel: of course |
| 12:04.37 | raf256 | so why apt bug do not warn about it? |
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| 12:05.43 | tarzeau | raf256: you mean apt-listbugs - Lists critical bugs before each apt installation |
| 12:05.46 | tralala | tarzeau: yeah, in theory. In practice 99.9% of the sid questions come from people who should be using stable. |
| 12:06.04 | tarzeau | tralala: i wouldn't say it's just 1 of 1000 people no |
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| 12:06.21 | raf256 | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:06.23 | tarzeau | tralala: you're like thinking 999 of 1000 people are idiots, which they are not |
| 12:06.43 | stoned | tarzeau, not knowning enough debian and bieng an idiot are two different things |
| 12:06.47 | lord_rob | tralala: I've been a sid user for 5 years so stop telling me I should be using sarge |
| 12:06.52 | tarzeau | tralala: alone inside here it's like 700 people of which i think about 50% use sid and they've asked questions which were perfectly fine |
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| 12:07.02 | tralala | tarzeau: I might be exagregatting a little bit, but my point still stands |
| 12:07.17 | tarzeau | stoned: true but the way he says it means like poeple who use sid and ask questions are not knowing debian but idiots |
| 12:07.27 | tarzeau | tralala: fine for you, i disagree |
| 12:07.32 | stoned | tarzeau, I agree, I was thinking I should have said that to tralala |
| 12:07.34 | stoned | :) |
| 12:07.41 | raf256 | some of us can not wait so long before certain software gets to stable |
| 12:08.06 | Gnea | !cuecat |
| 12:08.07 | dpkg | somebody said cuecat was a barcode scanner, or http://www.logorrhea.com/cuecat, or a full mirror of cuecat stuff is also at http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com |
| 12:08.09 | tralala | tarzeau: would you quote me saying "idiot" anywhere? |
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| 12:08.21 | Gnea | hrm, looks like the cuecat isn't supported in 2.6 because it was abandoned :/ |
| 12:08.44 | tarzeau | tralala: it felt like it, you never said it |
| 12:08.46 | raf256 | flying butt monkeys, heh |
| 12:08.56 | stoned | tralala, I don't know about tarzeau but I certainly got the impression that you implied it |
| 12:09.14 | RvGaTe | just went off a meeting |
| 12:09.20 | zinx | Gnea: sry |
| 12:09.21 | RvGaTe | took 2 hours |
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| 12:09.27 | asg | RvGaTe: nasty |
| 12:09.27 | zinx | Gnea: I'm too lazy to update my patch. |
| 12:09.51 | Tenkawa | Anyone know a decent guide to setup a compact flash bootable debian image? |
| 12:10.03 | stoned | I am a sid user, and by golly I am not an idiot, I KNOW that :) |
| 12:10.29 | sep | Tenkawa, my CF modules have ide interface and act identical to harddrives. |
| 12:10.36 | lord_rob | stoned: but tralala said sid users were all idiots :) |
| 12:10.44 | stoned | lol |
| 12:10.51 | Tenkawa | sep: I'm using the cf interface on a WRAP board |
| 12:10.53 | Gnea | zinx: url? |
| 12:11.14 | tralala | tarzeau, stoned: I certainly think most of the people who run sid and ask questions here have no idea what they are doing and they shouldn't be doing it. This doesn't equal idiots. |
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| 12:11.20 | Gnea | lord_rob: tralala is a crackhead ;) |
| 12:11.29 | kristalino | "never, ever, ever call me idiot" <- guess where is it from ? |
| 12:11.32 | Tenkawa | yay.. found an article |
| 12:11.38 | quitte | Tenkawa: have you tried doing a normal install? |
| 12:11.40 | Gnea | kristalino: idiot. |
| 12:11.41 | stoned | kristalino, a movie! |
| 12:11.44 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:11.46 | lord_rob | hehe Gnea |
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| 12:12.03 | asg | kristalino: Police Academy |
| 12:12.08 | kristalino | stoned, yeap, wich movie ? |
| 12:12.13 | lord_rob | kristalino: idiot too ? so you are a sid user ? welcome :) |
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| 12:12.22 | kristalino | asg, bad answer |
| 12:12.26 | quitte | kristalino: a fish named wonda if thats the original title |
| 12:12.32 | kristalino | quitte, bingo !!! |
| 12:12.36 | SpAnIaRd | why doesn't apt copy all files properly after reinstalling something |
| 12:12.38 | stoned | I think it was usual suspects |
| 12:12.47 | asg | kristalino: there was a similar reference in PA though |
| 12:12.48 | stoned | Kevin Spacey said it |
| 12:12.55 | stoned | to his manager, the bald guy |
| 12:12.56 | SpAnIaRd | e.g. libapache2-php5 ...if i try reinstalling after i uninstall it doesn't install properly |
| 12:12.57 | asg | stoned: Kevin Klien |
| 12:12.57 | stoned | I remember now |
| 12:13.19 | SpAnIaRd | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 12:13.22 | SpAnIaRd | can be anything |
| 12:13.23 | stoned | It was Kyser Sose's alternate personality as the limp guy |
| 12:13.39 | tralala | tarzeau, stoned: further more I like to point them to that fact so they can see they have no clue and stop using sid without a real reason (stable is too old doesn't qualify for one). |
| 12:13.44 | Gnea | oh, that's the movie where he plays a raving psycho who hires that kid from buffalo in LA and abuses him? |
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| 12:14.01 | zinx | Gnea: http://zinx.xmms.org/cuecat/ |
| 12:14.18 | zinx | Gnea: But it's down at the moment. |
| 12:14.24 | Gnea | zinx: massive routing issues tonight... |
| 12:14.34 | Gnea | yeah.. damn |
| 12:14.41 | zinx | Gnea: the server it's hosted on went boom last night, should be back up today |
| 12:14.48 | Gnea | zinx: no backup? |
| 12:14.54 | zinx | Gnea: nope :( |
| 12:14.58 | Gnea | ... |
| 12:14.59 | SpAnIaRd | anyone? |
| 12:15.06 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 12:15.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:15.15 | asg | SpAnIaRd: you haven't provided the error |
| 12:15.38 | Gnea | zinx: well this sucks, everything's broken this week heh |
| 12:15.43 | SpAnIaRd | there is no error |
| 12:15.54 | SpAnIaRd | it just doesn't extract everything |
| 12:15.58 | stoned | tralala, I didn't know jack shit about debian, stable was too old for me, I started using sid, few years back, I asked TONS of questions, and now I don't usually need to ask anything. You are saying that people who use sid shouldn't ask questions, really, that is ridiculous, how else would they comunicate, I don't see a fucking #debian-SID only channel, do I? Do you? Stop passing moronic statements please, its a classic case of open mout |
| 12:15.58 | stoned | h, insert foot. |
| 12:16.05 | asg | SpAnIaRd: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 12:16.51 | asg | stoned: I think the point he was trying to make is that asking smart questions is perfectly fine; running in here and going help me fuxors isn't. |
| 12:17.01 | SpAnIaRd | ? |
| 12:17.02 | stoned | asg, oh I agree |
| 12:17.02 | qegtwrgtre | i upgraded my testing yesterday since then i cant boot into kernel 2.4.15 anymore |
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| 12:17.10 | stoned | I might have misunderstood him |
| 12:17.11 | asg | !tell SpAnIaRd about confmiss |
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| 12:17.18 | stoned | who knows, I _AM_ stoned ;) |
| 12:17.21 | ccg | i upgraded my testing yesterday since then i cant boot into kernel 2.4.15 anymore |
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| 12:17.42 | asg | stoned: I just woke up so I wouldn't listen to me either right now ;) |
| 12:17.55 | stoned | me too, wakenbake |
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| 12:18.02 | biowalker | http://paste.debian.net/6674 |
| 12:18.02 | SpAnIaRd | thank you |
| 12:18.03 | ccg | i get asked specify sth related to /img |
| 12:18.11 | biowalker | can someone tell me, what that means? |
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| 12:18.59 | asg | biowalker: ##kernelnewbies might |
| 12:19.13 | biowalker | asg: thx |
| 12:19.29 | tralala | stoned: I never suggested that sid questions should not be asked. |
| 12:19.43 | stoned | whatever man, its over with, let it go |
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| 12:20.12 | lord_rob | tralala: are you using sarge ? :) |
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| 12:21.01 | tralala | Well, just for the protocol: I don't think sid users are idiots and I'm not setting the policy of the channel to "no sid questions". |
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| 12:22.14 | lord_rob | tralala: thinking the opposite would more or less thinking that debian developpers are idiots |
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| 12:23.32 | lord_rob | when I was new here, I once asked "Hi ! Is anyone using Sid ?" and I've been answered "No we are all using woody". Then I fell like an idiot :) |
| 12:23.44 | stam | kpouiopj |
| 12:23.51 | stam | FUCK YOU |
| 12:24.09 | stoned | ? |
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| 12:24.27 | MaDDoG | hiz |
| 12:24.31 | stam | fuck you stoned |
| 12:24.38 | stam | u are pedophile |
| 12:24.38 | stoned | no thanks |
| 12:24.43 | MaDDoG | anyone know in which package can I found kernel tuning tool sysctl ? |
| 12:24.45 | stam | please? |
| 12:24.52 | asg | MaDDoG: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:25.00 | stam | do you like to take it in the ass? |
| 12:25.03 | lord_rob | !ops stam troll alert |
| 12:25.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: stam troll alert |
| 12:25.09 | stam | I can give it to you with a tire iron |
| 12:25.16 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 12:25.20 | stoned | another idiot |
| 12:25.30 | stam | ok |
| 12:25.31 | lord_rob | stoned: I assume he is a sid user |
| 12:25.33 | stam | you are right |
| 12:25.33 | stam | I am |
| 12:25.35 | stoned | lol |
| 12:25.37 | lord_rob | :) |
| 12:25.40 | stam | but do you still want it in the butt? |
| 12:25.44 | quitte | what is a tire iron? |
| 12:25.51 | asg | stam: use #shell for anal |
| 12:26.00 | stam | u better ask stoned |
| 12:26.26 | stoned | heh |
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| 12:26.28 | stoned | !u |
| 12:26.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:26.31 | stam | listen |
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| 12:26.39 | stoned | technically, READ |
| 12:26.42 | stam | we have a bulgarina men here who needs help |
| 12:26.46 | stam | bulgarian |
| 12:26.46 | rohan | what package on deb sid provides pg_config for postgresql |
| 12:26.50 | raf256 | !ne1 |
| 12:26.51 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 12:26.54 | asg | stam: have you read the /server joke? |
| 12:26.57 | stam | he has that strange relationship with debian |
| 12:27.10 | stam | asg: no |
| 12:27.18 | stam | hummm |
| 12:27.23 | stam | () |
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| 12:27.29 | stam | () <-- stoned |
| 12:27.38 | stam | ======>----- |
| 12:27.39 | stoned | !ops trolls |
| 12:27.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: trolls |
| 12:27.44 | stam | 8==> |
| 12:27.48 | stoned | !ops troll stam |
| 12:27.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: troll stam |
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| 12:27.51 | stam | !ops trolls |
| 12:27.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: trolls |
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| 12:28.04 | stam | !ops trolls |
| 12:28.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: trolls |
| 12:28.06 | SlammerXP | trolls? here? shocking! |
| 12:28.10 | tarzeau | damn why do people use powerbasic? |
| 12:28.15 | stoned | :/ |
| 12:28.18 | tarzeau | SlammerXP: it's not weekend... |
| 12:28.27 | asg | tarzeau: everyday is tardsday |
| 12:28.28 | stam | slammerXP my ass |
| 12:28.33 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 12:28.33 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 12:28.39 | stam | DEBIAN SUCKS MY ASS |
| 12:28.44 | stam | YOU FUCKING LOZERS |
| 12:28.48 | raf256 | stam: uh oh |
| 12:28.50 | rohan | !ops spam, troll by stam |
| 12:28.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: spam, troll by stam |
| 12:28.51 | stam | SUSE ROCKS |
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| 12:28.52 | SlammerXP | i hear gentto provides better .deb files than debian, also that knoppix's package manager is better than debians. |
| 12:29.01 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.04 | stam | Mandrake rocks |
| 12:29.05 | rohan | stam: hey rant in #suse :)) |
| 12:29.08 | stam | FUCK DEBIAN |
| 12:29.11 | stam | FUCK THIS SHIT |
| 12:29.16 | tarzeau | rohan: actually #suse is a nice place |
| 12:29.17 | stam | FUCK ALL YOU TO HELL |
| 12:29.23 | bbrazil | SlammerXP: don't feed the trolls |
| 12:29.23 | tarzeau | lilo: mind to do something? |
| 12:29.24 | stoned | damn |
| 12:29.25 | stam | SUSE !!!! |
| 12:29.25 | rohan | tarzeau: no doubt ;) |
| 12:29.26 | MaDDoG | asg, apt-cache search sysctl and says systune i install it but i cannot run sysctl... |
| 12:29.27 | stoned | thats a long trip |
| 12:29.28 | kartik | stam, go to hell |
| 12:29.40 | raf256 | btw, http://www.google.com/trends?q=debian%2C+suse%2C+fedora%2C+redhat%2C+gentoo%2C+slack&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
| 12:29.40 | stam | THIS IS BULLSHIT |
| 12:29.42 | MaDDoG | cannot find sysctl by the way |
| 12:29.47 | stam | stoned TAKE MY SUSE!!! |
| 12:29.47 | SlammerXP | bbrazil: actually, I was feeding the anti-trolls |
| 12:29.50 | DimmuR | stam: then you're really sucked off ... |
| 12:29.52 | asg | MaDDoG: dpkg -S bin/sysctl |
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| 12:30.03 | rohan | stam: how much does suse pay ? lol |
| 12:30.10 | stam | FUCK THIS |
| 12:30.13 | stam | FUCK THAT |
| 12:30.14 | lord_rob | lol rohan |
| 12:30.29 | stam | wait I have a song for all of you |
| 12:30.32 | rohan | raf256: awww fedora beats us :( |
| 12:30.32 | DimmuR | rohan: now suse is free (some versions) but it doesn't matter its troll |
| 12:30.33 | lord_rob | actually it's quite amusing |
| 12:30.39 | raf256 | http://www.google.com/trends?q=debian%2C+suse%2C+redhat%2C+gentoo%2C+ubuntu&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
| 12:30.42 | rohan | DimmuR: hehe i was joking |
| 12:30.45 | stam | Debian does not rock so suck my cock |
| 12:30.46 | raf256 | ubuntu seems to be the most marketed |
| 12:30.47 | omry|work | stam, you are a disgrace, bizayon. |
| 12:30.53 | raf256 | stam: heh |
| 12:30.57 | rohan | stam: lol |
| 12:31.00 | stoned | where the fuck are the ops |
| 12:31.00 | rohan | stam: nice rhyme |
| 12:31.05 | stam | Debian is the pits and is a pile of shit |
| 12:31.11 | tralala | stam: I don't believe that many of us are reading you anymore, but go ahead and give it to me. |
| 12:31.11 | DimmuR | stam: so don't waste your time here |
| 12:31.11 | MaDDoG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.12 | dpkg | Badgers ate my bin/sysctl -> procps: /sbin/sysctl! |
| 12:31.15 | raf256 | !ops stoned is insulting you! [14:31] <stoned> where the fuck are the ops =) |
| 12:31.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: stoned is insulting you! [14:31] <stoned> where the fuck are the ops =) |
| 12:31.17 | tarzeau | stoned: check /topic faq |
| 12:31.20 | rohan | stam: the ops like to enjoy shows by kiddies like you .. please continue |
| 12:31.22 | tarzeau | stoned: the story of greycat |
| 12:31.34 | rohan | tarzeau: did you do !popcon ? |
| 12:31.38 | stoned | tarzeau, ah |
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| 12:31.41 | tarzeau | stoned: they moved back to #debian-devel and #debian is a leftover |
| 12:31.48 | rohan | lol |
| 12:31.52 | tarzeau | stoned: that's how much assholes care about #debian |
| 12:31.59 | tarzeau | rohan: good idea |
| 12:32.00 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:32.00 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:32.04 | stoned | tsk tsk |
| 12:32.11 | rohan | raf256: grrr now ubuntu beats us |
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| 12:32.25 | raf256 | rohan: well, we are teh 3li7e |
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| 12:32.57 | rohan | raf256: n0 d0ubt .. w3 0wnZ j00 ;) |
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| 12:33.15 | stoned | lol |
| 12:33.16 | alimou | bonjour |
| 12:33.18 | asg | MaDDoG: yes, that means it's in the procps package and once installed is in /sbin |
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| 12:33.27 | lord_rob | wow ubuntu is growing a lot |
| 12:33.39 | rohan | awww.. stam already left :( |
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| 12:33.47 | stoned | every other day raf256 comes in here saying debian sucks this, and debian sucks that, insults the debian developers, package maintaners, and now this |
| 12:33.48 | stoned | lol |
| 12:34.01 | stoned | talk about a little bitch |
| 12:34.05 | tarzeau | stoned: i don't have a problem with raf256 or what he says |
| 12:34.16 | tarzeau | stoned: some packages are in crap state in debian |
| 12:34.31 | stoned | tarzeau, yes, but the manner of speaking is what ticks me off |
| 12:34.38 | stoned | he comes off as if debian ows him something |
| 12:34.40 | tarzeau | stoned: you're of course right |
| 12:35.05 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.05 | tarzeau | stoned: maybe he'll learn to say it nicer some day. or maybe he won't. |
| 12:35.09 | rohan | ouch, sorry |
| 12:35.16 | tarzeau | stoned: does it matter? |
| 12:35.35 | stoned | tarzeau, I think somewhere along the line in his life it will matter |
| 12:35.38 | stoned | greatly |
| 12:35.42 | rohan | well, so in what pkg do i find pg_config for postgresql ? |
| 12:35.44 | tarzeau | stoned: for him. |
| 12:35.48 | stoned | anti social mannerisms are never good |
| 12:35.54 | tarzeau | stoned: but why does it bother you? |
| 12:35.59 | stoned | I don't know |
| 12:36.02 | ft | rohan: use apt-file |
| 12:36.04 | lord_rob | rohan: tried apt-file ? |
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| 12:36.12 | stoned | maybe my problem is I give too much of a shit |
| 12:36.20 | tarzeau | stoned: indeed |
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| 12:36.37 | rohan | wow, thanks lord_rob and ft |
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| 12:36.40 | rohan | didnt know that :-/ |
| 12:37.04 | lord_rob | you're welcome rohan |
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| 12:38.08 | sortadi | is debian the son of the devil? |
| 12:38.19 | asg | sortadi: no, that's FreeBSD |
| 12:38.24 | quitte | haha |
| 12:38.31 | sortadi | you know there was this kid called debian in the antichrist movie |
| 12:38.40 | sortadi | and he was said to be the son of the devil |
| 12:38.45 | asg | sortadi: Damien |
| 12:38.51 | sortadi | ahh well |
| 12:38.53 | sortadi | heh |
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| 12:39.16 | rohan | wow, apt-file update is a net hog :-/ |
| 12:39.41 | stoned | lol |
| 12:39.44 | stoned | what the fuck shit |
| 12:39.50 | stoned | haha, debian/damien |
| 12:39.51 | stoned | lol |
| 12:39.52 | ft | rohan: if you're behind a slow connection, use packages.debian.org |
| 12:39.56 | stoned | thats priceless |
| 12:40.12 | rohan | wtf ! how much mb will apt-file update download? |
| 12:40.14 | asg | stoned: it makes me fear for the future |
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| 12:40.59 | ft | rohan: it gets Contents-<ARCH>.gz files. |
| 12:41.25 | karl | Does anyone knoow how to make userneme casesensitive |
| 12:41.39 | rohan | ft: ok |
| 12:41.49 | stoned | karl, I don't think you can, afaik' |
| 12:42.04 | stoned | and then gain, I don't know much |
| 12:42.19 | asg | asg@rob:~$ grep Debian /etc/passwd |
| 12:42.19 | asg | Debian-exim:x:102:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
| 12:42.33 | rohan | oh SHIT ! postgresql-dev version is 7.x and i have postgresql 8.1.3 installed .. why did it not complain about dependencies |
| 12:42.36 | rohan | ! |
| 12:42.57 | fm | usernames are case sensitive, isn't it ? |
| 12:43.00 | rohan | ok, theres no such special pkg for 8.1.3 |
| 12:43.12 | asg | asg@rob:~$ sudo su - debian-exim |
| 12:43.12 | asg | Unknown id: debian-exim |
| 12:43.18 | asg | fm: looks that way to me |
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| 12:43.55 | karl | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.00 | fm | asg, hmm |
| 12:44.11 | fm | ohh, pam setting |
| 12:44.42 | fm | but its not defualt configuration on any of distro I used |
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| 12:44.59 | rohan | [rohan@debian pgsql-tutorial]$ make |
| 12:44.59 | rohan | Makefile:28: /usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/lib/pgxs/src/makefiles/pgxs.mk: No such file or directory |
| 12:45.03 | rohan | what do i do now ? |
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| 12:53.53 | quitte | damn. every few years i need a floppy disk. and its harder to find a working one every time. i think i should buy a box soon before they become even harder to get |
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| 12:55.47 | Marvin-Tux | Hi! I've got a computer with 3 GB HDD and 64 MB RAM. Is Debian the right OS for this computer? |
| 12:55.57 | Coweater | it'll work |
| 12:56.26 | bobslaede | hey you guys, got a problem with usbmount, it looks for /sbin/udev_volume_id which isnt there, so i symlinked /sbin/vol_id to it, and they dont work the same, so usbmount figures that my usbdisk doesnt have a filesystem nor label. |
| 12:56.32 | asg | Marvin-Tux: sure |
| 12:56.33 | sandman | Is there something comparable to ISPF (IBM Mainframes,OS/390) for *nix? |
| 12:57.31 | tralala | Marvin-Tux: the question is more: is debian the right OS for me. Otherwise debian can run just fine on this computer. |
| 12:58.06 | Marvin-Tux | OK. Is this a normal installation, or do I have to follow something special? |
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| 12:58.46 | tralala | Marvin-Tux: you can check the debian installer requirements at debian.org |
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| 13:00.32 | Marvin-Tux | I'm linux beginner and I only had installed Ubuntu. So you think it'll work? ;-) |
| 13:01.31 | tralala | Marvin-Tux: if it is able to run the debian installer, then it will work fine. I don't know the requirements by hard. |
| 13:01.53 | jind | It will work. However, with that little ram it will work slow on the desktop. It might be better off as a pure server |
| 13:02.17 | Marvin-Tux | Yes, t |
| 13:02.19 | Marvin-Tux | THX |
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| 13:05.21 | omry|work | I sent a detailed complaint to the abuse department of the ISP that moron stam is using. |
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| 13:07.31 | bobslaede | allright then, any alternatives to using usbmount to automount my usbdisks? I cant find anything about usbmount anywhere, no documentation |
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| 13:09.51 | tralala | bobslaede: I'm using autofs for my usb sticks |
| 13:10.18 | bobslaede | tralala: only autofs? |
| 13:10.34 | asg | bobslaede: it's fine especially if you use --timeout=2 or some similar small value |
| 13:11.03 | bobslaede | asg: ? |
| 13:11.05 | tralala | bobslaede: yes, with a short timeout as asg suggests. Mine is 5. |
| 13:11.10 | bobslaede | hmm... |
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| 13:11.18 | bobslaede | no usbmount then? |
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| 13:11.21 | asg | bobslaede: so it umounts the filesystem if it hasn't been accessed in X seconds |
| 13:11.47 | bobslaede | asg: and mounts it again when needed? |
| 13:12.00 | asg | bobslaede: yes, when you access the mountpoint |
| 13:12.15 | bobslaede | so i need to set it up in fstab? |
| 13:12.29 | honschu | In Bash, how to do a true "if", if a file does _not_ exist? if [ ! -f /tmp/foo ]; then echo "no foo"; fi |
| 13:12.33 | tralala | bobslaede: no, you need to install it and read the docs |
| 13:12.57 | bobslaede | tralala: got it installed, just removed usbmount, reading the docs |
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| 13:13.44 | tralala | honschu: you seem to be providing the answer along with the question. |
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| 13:14.05 | pyroplasm | honschu: -f returns true, if it's a regular file. Existance can be tested with -e |
| 13:14.06 | asg | honschu: -e might be better |
| 13:14.31 | bobslaede | tralala: i dont believe autofs is what im looking for |
| 13:14.33 | dgr | http://2enigmatik4u.com/v2/index.php?p=40&u=15019 |
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| 13:14.50 | honschu | tralala: ;) yes ;-) |
| 13:14.57 | bobslaede | tralala: usbmount mounts the usbdisk when plugged in, in /var/run/usbmount/disklabel |
| 13:15.01 | honschu | thx to all ;-) |
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| 13:15.17 | bobslaede | and umounts it when unplugged |
| 13:15.53 | bobslaede | and i got several usbdisk, and depending on which getting plugged in at which time, needing different mount points |
| 13:16.07 | bobslaede | so they can both be /dev/sda or /dev/sdb at any given time |
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| 13:17.09 | tralala | bobslaede: why do you need different mount points? |
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| 13:17.36 | bobslaede | tralala: for my backup stuff, and other stuff, different disks |
| 13:18.35 | tralala | bobslaede: ok, but why does it have to be different (unless you have them both connected, of course)? |
| 13:18.36 | bobslaede | tralala: that way, i allways know that it is the correct disk at the right place |
| 13:18.44 | bobslaede | tralala: excactly |
| 13:18.56 | annoia | Now, when I do an aptitude update I get a lot of pdiff-files... What are these? |
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| 13:19.15 | asg | annoia: reduces the amount of time an update takes |
| 13:19.20 | annoia | Cool :) |
| 13:19.23 | asg | annoia: diffs instead of full Packages.gz |
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| 13:19.45 | bobslaede | tralala: but the only problem i got, is that usbmount wants /sbin/udev_volume_id, which dont exist |
| 13:19.51 | sasadsa | hello |
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| 13:20.04 | tralala | bobslaede: I can think of workarounds with autofs and hotplug like running a script to create a symlink depending on the disk contents |
| 13:20.25 | bobslaede | tralala: hehe, sure, but thats not really that cool :p |
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| 13:21.06 | tralala | bobslaede: I think that exploiting the flexibility of hotplug is rather cool :) |
| 13:21.35 | tralala | but seriously I don't know a software that would do just that. |
| 13:21.44 | bobslaede | except usbmount |
| 13:21.55 | asg | supermount patches but I think they are moribund and only for 2.4.x anyway |
| 13:22.05 | bobslaede | and i cant find any documentation on usbmount |
| 13:22.31 | zinx | euh |
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| 13:22.40 | zinx | /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 13:22.44 | zinx | or am I missing something? |
| 13:22.52 | blondie | what |
| 13:23.32 | abrotman | que |
| 13:23.40 | asg | sto |
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| 13:23.53 | zinx | it's probably a feature added in sid's udev package |
| 13:24.20 | zinx | creates stuff like /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_WDC_WD4000KD-00_WD-WMAMY1067156{,-part[1234]} |
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| 13:25.13 | tralala | bobslaede: if I had to do this myself I would focus of getting a solution that would not depend on different mount points |
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| 13:26.00 | asg | !tell alkalineX about away |
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| 13:26.09 | bobslaede | tralala: yeah, but the problem is, i got everything set up in my backup system, the server crashed last week, and ive been reinstalling everything |
| 13:26.19 | zinx | so what's the problem with using by-id? :/ |
| 13:26.40 | tralala | bobslaede: you mean it worked like that before but now it doesn't? |
| 13:26.53 | bobslaede | tralala: yeah |
| 13:27.15 | bobslaede | zinx: where do you find that by-id? |
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| 13:27.52 | tralala | bobslaede: sorry, I can't help you here. I don't know anything about usbmount. Do you have udev installed? Because it seems that could be missing. |
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| 13:28.35 | bobslaede | tralala: yeah, i got udev, the problems is that, /sbin/udev_volume_id is now /sbin/vol_id, and its not the exact same thing anymore |
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| 13:29.33 | tralala | bobslaede: oh, I see. |
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| 13:32.04 | bobslaede | so usbmount doesnt know the filesystem, or label for the dis |
| 13:32.05 | bobslaede | k |
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| 13:33.14 | tralala | bobslaede: have you seen this: /usr/share/doc/udev/README.vol_id |
| 13:33.59 | bobslaede | cool, ill take a look |
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| 13:35.00 | quitte | bah! now i found a floppy disk that woks good enough. but i found out there is no power plug for it at my psu and i cant find an adapter |
| 13:35.08 | iter | ooo new macbooks |
| 13:35.12 | iter | 1099 |
| 13:35.47 | visik7 | iter: the black one is ugly |
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| 13:37.11 | tziku | hello , i have a user who run a scanner how can i see where is the scanner and stop him what he doing ? |
| 13:37.29 | mccune | scanner? |
| 13:37.34 | tziku | yes... |
| 13:37.41 | mccune | like nmap? |
| 13:37.43 | tziku | like: /bin/bash ./steam 207.190 |
| 13:37.44 | tralala | iter: and the rest is expen$ive |
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| 13:38.00 | tziku | a ssh scanner |
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| 13:38.25 | mccune | kill it? |
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| 13:38.47 | iter | tralala: 1099 for a high end laptop is expensive? |
| 13:38.50 | tziku | and how can i find it to see what is doing ? |
| 13:39.00 | iter | my thinkpad x31 cost about 30% more |
| 13:39.01 | tziku | and if is what i think...a ssh scanner |
| 13:39.04 | petemc | tziku: iptraf gives you realtime network info |
| 13:39.20 | tralala | iter: is it high-end? |
| 13:39.28 | iter | it was when I bought it |
| 13:39.39 | tralala | not the thinkpad, the macs |
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| 13:39.59 | iter | build quality is, and that's the most important thing for a laptop |
| 13:40.06 | iter | they get beat up a lot |
| 13:40.21 | iter | also dual core 1.8g ain't shabby |
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| 13:41.19 | tralala | I don't know. I've read somewhere that the build quality is not that high at all. And they have heat issues. |
| 13:41.20 | asg | tziku: if you have a newer iptables, you can ban outbound connections to port 22 by uid |
| 13:41.46 | tziku | ok thanks this i will do :) |
| 13:41.54 | alainlucas | how can I download this image using wget => http://www.kangxizidian.com/kangxi/0960.gif ? (It's readable with firefox, but not downloadable with "wget http://www.kangxizidian.com/kangxi/0960.gif") |
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| 13:42.13 | byLeal | hello all, somebody knows how can i find the NFS ACL patch to 2.4.27 sarge kernel? |
| 13:42.42 | tralala | tziku: that way the user will not be able to scan but also to use outgoing ssh |
| 13:42.47 | bobslaede | alainlucas: i cant see the image |
| 13:43.15 | bobslaede | alainlucas: they are probably denying access to it, if youre not within their site |
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| 13:43.40 | alainlucas | bobslaede: If you first go there: http://www.kangxizidian.com/kangxi/ , then you can see it |
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| 13:43.58 | junix|work | ok i justr tried to install grub from lilo |
| 13:44.05 | junix|work | and had ereased the lilo mbr |
| 13:44.10 | junix|work | and now i can't boot into it |
| 13:44.23 | junix|work | what can i do to repair this? |
| 13:44.28 | lord_rob | junix|work: try a knoppix-like live cd |
| 13:44.31 | asg | junix|work: use the install cd or a livecd to mount the existing system partitions to rerun grub |
| 13:44.43 | junix|work | ok |
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| 13:44.52 | yangsx | junix|work: try dfs cd |
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| 13:45.01 | tralala | alainlucas: so use right click and save image as |
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| 13:45.50 | vin` | efaistos: glad you got it to work, enjoy. |
| 13:46.02 | lord_rob | is it possible to switch from ext3 to reiserfs easily ? Do I need to reformat and copy all the files ? |
| 13:46.17 | alainlucas | tralala: why is it downloadable with firefox, and not using wget ? |
| 13:46.42 | asg | alainlucas: the website may be looking at the user agent to determine what content to display |
| 13:46.45 | alainlucas | tralala: I would like to download it using command line, not using graphic interface |
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| 13:47.02 | sohmestra | lord_rob: you can't switch in place, if that's what you're asking |
| 13:47.24 | alainlucas | asg: do you have a command that would solve it with wget ? |
| 13:47.46 | yangsx | alainlucas: if it's forbidden for wget bot |
| 13:47.48 | lord_rob | alainlucas: maybe you can spoof using wget but I don't know if it's possible |
| 13:47.52 | asg | alainlucas: man wget (look for the -U option) |
| 13:47.54 | junix|work | asg: would a knoppix 3.7 cd work? |
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| 13:48.04 | asg | junix|work: should do |
| 13:48.16 | lord_rob | sohmestra: yes that's what I was asking, thanks |
| 13:48.45 | tralala | alainlucas: they could be using cookies or something |
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| 13:50.13 | alainlucas | asg: it doesn't work with a user agent |
| 13:50.30 | asg | alainlucas: did you use the same one as firefox? |
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| 13:50.56 | setcode | hellop |
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| 13:51.06 | alainlucas | asg: yes, I used this command => wget -U "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060418 Firefox/1.0.8 (Ubuntu package 1.0.8)" http://www.kangxizidian.com/kangxi/0001.gif |
| 13:51.06 | tralala | helloq |
| 13:51.14 | lord_rob | For some newsletter I've subscribed to, thunder always says "This email might be an email scam." What's an email scam ? |
| 13:51.58 | asg | alainlucas: then they may be doing something silly. |
| 13:52.04 | lord_rob | s/thunder/thunderbird |
| 13:52.13 | asg | lord_rob: google for 419 scams |
| 13:52.55 | petemc | look scam up in the dictionary |
| 13:53.30 | Ryushin | Has there been any word on when they would "think" of make another release of stable. I had heard that they were planning on yearly releases. But I'm sure that has slipped. Also, did they every drop a number of arch's like they were planning? |
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| 13:53.52 | asg | Ryushin: sometime in December this year is the plan for etch to go stable |
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| 13:54.31 | ootput | that'd be nice |
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| 13:54.53 | Ryushin | I guess every 18 months is a good time line. |
| 13:54.56 | backz | hi! I'm using RAID1 with mdadm, and two sata hd's, when I try to use dd to copy cd images my computer is turned off. I tryed to do it without RAID and it works! |
| 13:55.06 | lord_rob | asg: so a sort of spam, unsollicited mail. So, given it is a sollicited mail, that should be a bug of thunderbird debian package, right ? |
| 13:55.17 | backz | when I turn computer on, I've a message: DegradedArray on /dev/sda1 |
| 13:55.42 | asg | lord_rob: presumably, thunderbird's spam filter needs tuning. I don't use it but if there is an option to mark that mail as ham or not spam, do so. |
| 13:55.48 | fireba11 | backz what dd command? |
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| 13:56.10 | backz | fireba11, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/image.iso |
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| 13:56.32 | dooglus | is there a command which will tell me how 'big' each package I've got installed is? I'm running out of space on / and would like to see which packages are taking the most space so I can consider removing them. |
| 13:56.43 | asg | dooglus: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 13:56.46 | lord_rob | asg: I've been doing it a lot of times for previous issues of that newsletter. I'll have a last try then I'll file a bug report |
| 13:57.05 | Vme | If i reboot my WAP for whatever reason, I keep having to restart my network in order for my wlan0 to reconnect... |
| 13:57.15 | Vme | is there a way to stop this from happening? |
| 13:57.17 | dooglus | asg: will it sort by size? or do I need to write a nasty script to do that? |
| 13:57.18 | tralala | Ryushin: actually december got mentioned only last week, iinm. Debian releases are not planned in advance. |
| 13:57.31 | ootput | Vme: can you just bring the device down, then back up again? |
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| 13:57.51 | Vme | well, i dont' have a monitor plugged into this device |
| 13:57.57 | fireba11 | tralala: wrong this time .. dezember as possibility was mentioned already 4 months ago |
| 13:58.01 | asg | dooglus: maybe some combination of dpkg-awk and sort |
| 13:58.02 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: thunderbird's filter is adaptive. it considers things to be spam based on what you've told it is spam before. |
| 13:58.03 | Vme | and its only wireless |
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| 13:58.21 | tralala | fireba11: oh, all right |
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| 13:58.30 | Vme | i keep having to plug a keyboard in and do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:58.34 | yangsx | hi, how can I know whether my Intel P4 processor has em64t capability? |
| 13:58.34 | junix|work | asg: how do i mount the drive read/write? |
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| 13:59.03 | asg | junix|work: mount -o remount,rw ... |
| 13:59.08 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: also check to make sure you've even turned on the filter (something like tools > junk mail controls) |
| 13:59.13 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: it's not enabled by default |
| 13:59.19 | Ryushin | Well, I "think" it would be better if releases were planned on a fixed schedule. I mean, from what I undestand, the whole point of testing is that it's always supposed to be ready to be a new stable release. Though, what happens in real life is different than what we see. |
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| 13:59.22 | junix|work | asg: thx |
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| 13:59.42 | lord_rob | SerajewelKS: I know, but thunderbird did not detect a junk mail but a Scam mail |
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| 13:59.54 | _Brandon_ | i have a problem with networking, the ip of eth2 start as 169.254.197.42 also if i use a static ip |
| 14:00.02 | lord_rob | appearently those are not the same |
| 14:00.08 | yangsx | I want to try a 64-bit linux image if my CPU has em64t |
| 14:00.12 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: uhm are you on testing or unstable? |
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| 14:00.29 | lord_rob | SerajewelKS: I'm a proud sid user |
| 14:00.31 | fireba11 | Ryushin i agree taht a rough scedule would be helpfull .. though they should still wait with the release untill its done and not rush it just to fit scedule and fisk problems |
| 14:00.37 | efaistos | vin`: yes :) |
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| 14:00.44 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: hmm must be something they added in 1.5.0 then |
| 14:00.44 | pmo12 | lord_rob, cocki side user :) |
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| 14:00.59 | dooglus | asg: this seems to work, but it's very slow: COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}' | while read x; do echo $(apt-cache show $x | grep '^Size' | awk '{print $2}') $x; done | sort -n |
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| 14:01.02 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: meh, if you can turn off the scam mail detection... the junk mail filter should catch it anyway |
| 14:01.03 | tziku | can somebody tell me please how can i find a hidden file ? |
| 14:01.14 | asg | dooglus: yes, it is slow but it does work. |
| 14:01.19 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: i assume if someone uses thunderbird they know what a scam mail is already |
| 14:01.22 | lord_rob | tziku: ls -a |
| 14:01.22 | pmo12 | lord_rob, or a bushist sid user :) |
| 14:01.35 | tralala | yangsx: you can try amd64 |
| 14:01.46 | lord_rob | pmo12: please direct sid complaints to tralala |
| 14:01.48 | junix|work | asg: i can't get it to make the menus..... |
| 14:01.55 | dooglus | asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. |
| 14:02.02 | asg | dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 14:02.07 | yangsx | tralala: even if my CPU is Intel P4? |
| 14:02.08 | dooglus | :) |
| 14:02.20 | lord_rob | lol |
| 14:02.27 | tralala | yangsx: yes, it uses the same instruction set. |
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| 14:02.30 | pmo12 | lord_rob, i barely know what sid is.. i usally use testing.. and partly if necessary unstable |
| 14:02.31 | lord_rob | good one dooglus :) |
| 14:02.33 | Ryushin | Yea. I guess what would be alspo helpful, is if Debian officially introduces a Volatile set of packages such as clamav. |
| 14:02.35 | asg | dooglus: you probably don't want to remove that |
| 14:02.40 | pmo12 | lord_rob, no complain about this :) |
| 14:02.45 | SerajewelKS | pmo12: sid is unstable |
| 14:02.45 | lord_rob | pmo12: sid = unstable |
| 14:03.03 | pmo12 | lord_rob, SerajewelKS thanks, i am never sure :) |
| 14:03.16 | dooglus | asg: the kernel has a size of 15 millon - um - somethings. bytes, is that? |
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| 14:03.38 | pmo12 | dooglus, looks resonable as number of lines.. |
| 14:03.40 | asg | dooglus: yes, it's 15 MB or so |
| 14:03.43 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: we usually call them megabytes |
| 14:04.00 | yangsx | tralala: ok, that might save me time searching for an answer. thanks |
| 14:04.02 | pmo12 | dooglus, windows might be on the 100 millions as far as i have heard.. |
| 14:04.26 | SerajewelKS | pmo12: higher |
| 14:04.27 | junix|work | asg: ...? |
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| 14:04.39 | backz | I think my sda1 is trunked, I'm using raid1 (md0) with sda1 and sdb1. On recovery mode, it shows on syslog: trying to remove unknown-block(8,17) from md0. How I repair this sda1? |
| 14:04.45 | pmo12 | junix, well i would mind a few millions more :) |
| 14:04.48 | tralala | pmo12: I think they are speaking about binary, not source. |
| 14:04.49 | dooglus | pmo12: for the kernel? I see it as less that 1Mb: "-r-xr-xr-x 1 chris chris 983552 Aug 4 2004 kernel32.dll" |
| 14:04.53 | pmo12 | junix, well i wouldn't mind a few millions more :) |
| 14:04.53 | abrotman | if i want to do image processing .. i should install linux-image-* right? |
| 14:04.55 | asg | junix|work: sorry, which menu are you taling about? |
| 14:04.58 | junix|work | grub |
| 14:05.01 | asg | !qotd167 |
| 14:05.01 | dpkg | qotd167 is probably <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 14:05.12 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: that's not the kernel |
| 14:05.17 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: ntoskrnl.exe |
| 14:05.30 | _Brandon_ | anyone can help me with apipa problems? |
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| 14:05.40 | dooglus | "-r-xr-xr-x 1 chris chris 2179328 Mar 2 2005 ntoskrnl.exe" |
| 14:05.44 | pmo12 | dooglus, kernel is way different on windows.. it's a.. micro-kernel.. well something way different.. for sure it is and it has to be small.. |
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| 14:06.00 | abrotman | windows has a microkernel? |
| 14:06.03 | pmo12 | dooglus, this is related to the technology being used.; as far as i know |
| 14:06.07 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: now add up the size of the drivers |
| 14:06.27 | Foxure | Hello |
| 14:06.32 | lord_rob | lol dooglus excellent :) thanks for the laugh :) |
| 14:06.35 | tralala | it is based on a microkernel supposedly in the same way the holywood films are based on a true story |
| 14:06.55 | pmo12 | abrotman, yes, i think the word. is microkernel.. a simple API. |
| 14:07.18 | DaBlade | ntoskrnl.exe (the Windows kernel) is a hybrid I think. |
| 14:07.29 | abrotman | pmo12: i think you need to reevaluate your idea of the word "simple" :) |
| 14:07.33 | pmo12 | abrotman, that is supposed to avoid big crash.. like all system going down |
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| 14:07.44 | tralala | pmo12: microkernels are not any smaller than the others, they are just more segmented |
| 14:07.47 | abrotman | pmo12: really .. and how does that work for windows? |
| 14:07.49 | pmo12 | abrotman, maybe, i wouldn't mind.. :) |
| 14:07.58 | junix|work | asg: ??? |
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| 14:08.22 | pmo12 | tralala, yes but there "kernel".. is small.. because of the way it fits in.. |
| 14:08.23 | annoia | Doesn't Mac use the Mach1 microkernel? |
| 14:08.26 | tarzeau | say i've got two html tables, how can i make sure all columsn are the same size in x dimension? |
| 14:08.44 | asg | junix|work: 10:01 < junix|work> asg: i can't get it to make the menus..... |
| 14:08.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: #web! |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | annoia: you mean OSX? |
| 14:09.13 | annoia | abrotman - Yes |
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| 14:09.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: man! it's debian related, http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/?gu |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not seeing an issue |
| 14:09.35 | bloom | what's the name of the new java packages that Aigars Mahinovs mentions in his blog post at http://www.aigarius.com/2006/05/15/debconf6-day-2.html |
| 14:09.43 | abrotman | bloom: it's only in sid/unstable |
| 14:09.43 | tralala | pmo12: no, it is not. It is just as big. Small is only the most critical part which is useless without the other parts so the whole kernel is just as big. |
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| 14:09.49 | pmo12 | abrotman, was suppose to make to lower down kernel. API to the only things necessary but provide enough so second party drivers.. could be written easily and not break the whole system.. |
| 14:09.52 | bloom | abrotman: I use sid/unstable |
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| 14:10.07 | Azar | microkernel? read about it here: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/reliable-os/ |
| 14:10.07 | abrotman | !find sun- sid |
| 14:10.09 | pmo12 | abrotman, but don't ask me too much.. i am just a "parrot" in here.. |
| 14:10.18 | abrotman | pmo12: i understand what a microkernel is |
| 14:10.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sun-' (6 of 31): (/usr/share/gcal/sun-moon.rc) in utils/gcal ;; (/usr/share/git/.gitrc.sun-cmd) in utils/git ;; (/usr/bin/xauth_switch_to_sun-des-1) in x11/xutils ;; (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/sun-j2sdk1.5) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/xfaces/images/sun-shape.xpm) in mail/xfaces ;; (/usr/share/fvwm95/mini-icons/sun-menu.xpm) in x11/fvwm95-icons. |
| 14:10.31 | Azar | ... or ask abrotman |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/sun-j2sdk1.5) in admin/cruft ... hehe |
| 14:10.45 | pmo12 | tralala, yes.. maybe i didn't explain myself enough clearly, but this is what i wanted to say |
| 14:10.50 | bloom | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:10.50 | asg | abrotman: hah, nice |
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| 14:11.00 | abrotman | bloom: that's not right .. i did see it |
| 14:11.18 | junix|work | asg: i can't make the menus in grub |
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| 14:11.30 | asg | junix|work: edit /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 14:11.32 | bloom | what's not right? dpkg responded to me and told me the names when I /msg'd "him". |
| 14:11.40 | bloom | Debian Package Listing of 'sun-' (8): sun-java5-bin ;; sun-java5-demo ;; sun-java5-doc ;; sun-java5-fonts ;; sun-java5-jdk ;; sun-java5-jre ;; sun-java5-plugin ;; sun-java5-source. |
| 14:11.46 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 14:11.52 | Foxure | Someone who could help me to get userdir work with apache2 and mod_security?. i have tried a lot and i not finding any info on google. i tested used a commando like #In -s /home /var/chroot/apache2 but it doesn't work |
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| 14:11.56 | asg | junix|work: menu.lst rather |
| 14:12.13 | Azar | tarzeau! :) |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't see what's broken |
| 14:12.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: got css? |
| 14:12.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. looks fine |
| 14:12.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: no the table headers on top and bottom are differently sized. screenshot? |
| 14:12.49 | StereoSkit | dudes, has anyone tried installing debain on the intel ibooks? |
| 14:12.58 | pmo12 | Foxure, you should try mercenaries maybe :) |
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| 14:13.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: OH .. i see |
| 14:13.14 | Rhamphoryncus | I've got a box running testing, I just updated it and xfonts-base has a file conflicting with xfonts-encoding, and that's basically killed fonts in X. Is there any way to fix it without waiting several days for a fixed package to come downstream? |
| 14:13.18 | junix|work | asg: i don't have a menu.lst |
| 14:13.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: "width=<measurmenet>" |
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| 14:13.30 | bloom | what exactly are the requirements for something to go in non-free? |
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| 14:13.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah that's what i'm going to do :( |
| 14:13.48 | asg | junix|work: editor /boot/grub/menu.lst (or copy the example from /usr/share/doc/grub*) |
| 14:13.53 | timex | Hi all |
| 14:13.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html |
| 14:13.59 | junix|work | ok |
| 14:14.01 | timex | I am in X windows |
| 14:14.06 | pmo12 | Foxure, you should better copy instead of ln .. i think.. unless you like trouble :-/ |
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| 14:14.07 | mtnman | bloom: if a package does not meet dfsg (debian free-software guidelines) |
| 14:14.11 | asg | bloom: it doesn't meet the DFSG |
| 14:14.18 | salah | hi. how do I burn a ISO file in Debian? I use GNOME |
| 14:14.19 | timex | I want to install the language of my own, How can I do that |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 14:14.29 | dpkg | i heard dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 14:14.47 | NlCo | hello |
| 14:14.48 | NlCo | :) |
| 14:14.56 | asg | xoz: check the bts |
| 14:14.59 | jeph | hi all. A while ago (before sarge was stable) I built sarge cd's using a repository hosted on gluck.debian.org. Now I'm updating my CD set with jigdo, and some of the packages are unavailable. Does gluck still keep these old packages, and what is the url? |
| 14:14.59 | bloom | obviously not everything that doesn't meet DFSG can go in non-free, otherwise JDK would have been in it a long time ago, and we could package other (un-)cool stuff like Microsoft Word in non-free |
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| 14:15.08 | Foxure | pmo12 ok i will look what that is.. ok but then i need to change the Default Home dir.. and its a problem with ftp then to.. |
| 14:15.10 | pmo12 | xoz, nvidia driver ? |
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| 14:15.42 | RoyK | hi |
| 14:15.52 | pmo12 | Foxure, you may look for something related to chroot option or the like in apache configuration. |
| 14:15.53 | asg | bloom: non-free must still be redistributable. I don't think the JDK allowed it |
| 14:15.54 | vin` | tarzeau: the stats page only displays about 50 maintainers now, is that a bug or choice? |
| 14:16.03 | jeph | "these old" = 31r2 files for jigdo-cd |
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| 14:16.17 | timex | Can anyone help me |
| 14:16.21 | vin` | tarzeau: ah, ignore. |
| 14:16.24 | xoz | pmo12: xinit: server error |
| 14:16.29 | pmo12 | Foxure, don't prevent yourself to tell me to fuck off.. as i don't know.. i just try to guess.. |
| 14:16.30 | Azar | jeph: did you checked packages for sarge at the debian site? |
| 14:16.30 | lord_rob | asg: I think sun has changed and now allow redistribution |
| 14:16.43 | asg | lord_rob: yesterday |
| 14:16.50 | asg | timex: /msg dpkg locales ; /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:16.57 | xoz | pmo12: running Xorg as root is ok... but xinit and startx fail to work. |
| 14:17.02 | bloom | asg: must non-free be compilable from source? |
| 14:17.08 | lord_rob | asg: not yesterday but less than a month ago |
| 14:17.10 | junix|work | asg: what if i went through the install cd and did lilo again... |
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| 14:17.23 | pmo12 | xoz, reminds me something.. hmmm.. wrapper stuff.. |
| 14:17.26 | Foxure | pmo12, no problem.. i dont know nothing.. im glad everthing working.. did everthing after a guide and everything is workin |
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| 14:17.40 | jeph | Azar: sorry, not sure I get what you mean. I gave jigdo-lite a current repository, but some of the files required where unavailable. |
| 14:17.49 | Foxure | pmo12 thought i was get a error log on 4 pages=) |
| 14:17.49 | asg | lord_rob: close enough :) |
| 14:17.53 | jeph | "current repo" = ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 14:17.56 | lord_rob | bloom: check planet.classpath.org ;) |
| 14:18.07 | xoz | how come sudo startx says that unaable to connect to X server? i thought it starts the X server. maybe, xorg 7.0 changes lots of assumptions |
| 14:18.08 | pmo12 | xoz, /etx/xorg.. well there is a file called Xwrapper.. could help |
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| 14:18.11 | Azar | jeph, there are listed packages for Sarge here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ look for what you need if you find them just apt-get install them by name |
| 14:18.22 | lord_rob | gnu classpath is starting to rock ;) |
| 14:18.29 | pmo12 | Foxure, :) |
| 14:18.34 | xoz | pmo12: i don't have /etc/xorg |
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| 14:18.44 | salah | xoz: /etc/X11 |
| 14:19.06 | RvGaTe | \o/ 45minutes left :P (here we go again) |
| 14:19.07 | pmo12 | Foxure, the product was not finished in time i suppose.. otherwise you would have had several buggy pages.. for you to spend the week with :) |
| 14:19.18 | pmo12 | xoz, /etc/X11 |
| 14:19.19 | asg | RvGaTe: thought you left at 5? |
| 14:19.19 | jeph | Thanks Azar, but I'm trying to download very specific versions of certain packages (and certain arbitrary files) with which to build debian 31r2 cd's, with the help of jiigdo |
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| 14:19.32 | RvGaTe | asg: its 16.19 |
| 14:19.36 | mtnman | jeph: perhaps snapshot.debian.org |
| 14:19.42 | Azar | jeph: ah I never used jigdo, what is that, some sort of apt? |
| 14:19.49 | asg | RvGaTe: oh, right |
| 14:19.56 | RvGaTe | asg: damn timezones... i know |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 14:19.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 14:19.58 | xoz | the problem is that startx can't connect to X server... it supposedly starts an X server without one running |
| 14:20.01 | bloom | !install java |
| 14:20.01 | dpkg | i heard install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
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| 14:20.11 | bloom | any suggested changes? I just added that last part |
| 14:20.15 | abrotman | Azar: they used to use it to make CD ISOs .. it's a royal pain |
| 14:20.16 | jeph | Azar: no, it downloads only the parts of an iso image that are needed (ie. I have the rest on my fs) |
| 14:20.21 | Foxure | pmo12: but i can move the hole home dir to the apache2 jail dir.. its should'nt be any problem with proftpd then?.. of course i change the config from /home/ to /var/**** |
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| 14:20.24 | Azar | thank you abrotman :) |
| 14:20.27 | asg | RvGaTe: yeah. |
| 14:20.36 | pmo12 | Foxure, to try to put all this in /home .. is not a good idea.. i think i made the same 'mystake' some years ago.; and faced the same issue.. |
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| 14:21.03 | tombs | hi all |
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| 14:21.17 | pmo12 | Foxure, with proftp.. well all ftp.. they have a configuration file.; and you can set it up so it will point to the right directory.. |
| 14:21.31 | RvGaTe | \me thinks Azar can read.... |
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| 14:21.47 | pmo12 | Foxure, you may have to setup an account pointing to apache directory.. |
| 14:22.03 | Rhamphoryncus | Anybody know how I can get the 1:1.0.0-4 version of xfonts-encodings? It appears to only exist in the (private) Incoming, yet I need it to get the box running again |
| 14:22.16 | Azar | RvGaTe: ofcourse, about what? |
| 14:22.17 | timex | hi |
| 14:22.20 | jeph | mtnman: snapshot.debian.org doesn't exist :_( |
| 14:22.29 | RvGaTe | Azar: hint, manual :P |
| 14:22.30 | timex | How can I install Chinese language support |
| 14:22.31 | bloom | jeph: snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:22.43 | jeph | bloom: ah! |
| 14:22.44 | abrotman | Rhamphoryncus: get it from incoming |
| 14:22.45 | pmo12 | Foxure, then you looking through ftp to this account.. anonymous account would be a bit different.. |
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| 14:22.52 | Rhamphoryncus | abrotman: how? |
| 14:23.00 | abrotman | ftp? http? |
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| 14:23.11 | Foxure | pmo12, then it should work great to move the system default home dir to apache2 jail root?.. but i don't like the idea.. but i dont see how to fix it else |
| 14:23.13 | Azar | RvGaTe: sure, only that I had a very bad experience with burning CDs, destroyed 17 CDs trying to burn the ISO image of Debian Woody |
| 14:23.31 | pmo12 | xoz, hmm.. if it can run as root.. the issue looks more related to permission issues.. hence the file Xwrapper.. |
| 14:23.34 | Azar | so I got an acute aversion for burning CDs |
| 14:23.41 | RvGaTe | Azar: use rewriteables |
| 14:23.46 | timex_ | hello |
| 14:23.50 | RvGaTe | hi |
| 14:23.59 | timex_ | How can I install Chinese support |
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| 14:24.07 | timex_ | I cannot read any Chinese |
| 14:24.16 | timex_ | RvGaTe: Would you help me? |
| 14:24.25 | Rhamphoryncus | abrotman: let me clarify. My understanding (admittedly limited) is that ftp-master.debian.org has an Incoming directory that debian developers can use. The package must exist there because the bug reporting system claims it's been uploaded and the bug is fixed. However, as a USER I cannot get access to it; only developers can |
| 14:24.26 | Azar | RvGaTe: yes, they were RW, but after I first tried , it will not RW, it will list the CD as corrupt |
| 14:24.30 | pmo12 | timex, there is an HOWTO about this, i think |
| 14:24.45 | xoz | pmo12: yeah. what is the filename? |
| 14:24.52 | RvGaTe | timex_: 806 people in here, and you ask me to help you? hehe, no i wont, just ask everyone |
| 14:24.54 | timex_ | pmo12: really? so where to down or where to find |
| 14:25.10 | Foxure | pmo12, thx for the help.. i go to homepage of chroot and se what they say |
| 14:25.11 | timex_ | RvGaTe: OK, I know you are busy. |
| 14:25.13 | timex_ | :) |
| 14:25.15 | Azar | timex it has to do with locales |
| 14:25.15 | xoz | pmo12: it is a permission problem which is not a problem pre xorg 7 |
| 14:25.37 | ootput | Vme: /j #hurd |
| 14:25.40 | timex_ | Azar: Ok, I am a newbie, so I don't know where to start |
| 14:25.44 | pmo12 | xoz, was /etc/X11/Xwrapper |
| 14:25.51 | Azar | timex: < asg> timex: /msg dpkg locales ; /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:25.53 | xoz | pmo12: ok. will take a look |
| 14:25.58 | timex_ | Azar: I only know that locales is a command |
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| 14:26.19 | Azar | timex do that ^^^^^^ dpkg will tell you in private how to do it |
| 14:26.34 | timex_ | Azar: great thanks |
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| 14:27.14 | pmo12 | xoz, ok..cause i can't tell much more. except a few years i had some similar issues.. which i may have solved with this file |
| 14:27.41 | minimec | Hi. I have a half-configured package after an faild install. I would like to remove that package with dpkg. But I have no success. I tried a lot of things (almost all the force otpions). Pleas... I really need your help. |
| 14:27.43 | pmo12 | timex, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO |
| 14:27.45 | zu22 | ! |
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| 14:28.09 | Rhamphoryncus | hmm. incoming.debian.org. Yay google! |
| 14:28.29 | abrotman | Rhamphoryncus: wrong .. you can download from there any time you'd like |
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| 14:28.47 | Ademan | anyone familiar with vsftpd? |
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| 14:29.00 | abrotman | Rhamphoryncus: AIUI .. a developer can upload many times a day .. so your package may be superceded by lunchtime |
| 14:29.01 | asg | Ademan: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/* has all the information and multiple examples |
| 14:29.15 | kspath | Ademan: no, no one is. Not even the people that wrote it or the people that packaged it. |
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| 14:29.41 | pmo12 | minimec, there is a very bad way to remove it from the database, but other than that.. if nothing works.. might be better to look into the code :-/ |
| 14:29.50 | asg | Ademan: there's also #vsftpd |
| 14:30.16 | Ademan | asg: strange, i thought i tried that last night |
| 14:30.25 | minimec | pmo12: Well there is an error in the config file of the package (unknown option) |
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| 14:30.42 | giorgian | hi. i've a Hamlet usb v.90 56k fax/modem, which seems (searching google) to be supported by linux. what should i do to use it? do i need some package, or what? |
| 14:30.52 | lastnode | im installing sarge via debootstrap. anyone know if the ipw2200 driver comes in a package? |
| 14:30.54 | stew | minimec: what pacakge is it? is it a debian package? |
| 14:30.58 | lastnode | or do i need to compile a kernel + modules? |
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| 14:31.10 | abrotman | compiler? |
| 14:31.19 | abrotman | !info ipw2200-src sarge |
| 14:31.26 | stew | !ipw2200 |
| 14:31.26 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ip2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:31.36 | xoz | pmo12: i notice that X is setuid while Xorg is not. maybe this is the reason why startx cannot start Xorg |
| 14:31.40 | minimec | stew: nope 'dapper' (I know, it is still beta) |
| 14:31.46 | pmo12 | minimec, maybe some tools don't work appropriatly... which command lack an option ? |
| 14:31.49 | stew | minimec: you are in the wrong channel then |
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| 14:31.56 | kspath | minimec: Dapper is not Debian. /join #ubuntu |
| 14:32.01 | asg | xoz: what happens when you type 'startx' ? |
| 14:32.08 | lastnode | it's built in to 2.6.15 kernels? |
| 14:32.15 | pmo12 | xoz, did you have a look into Xwrapper ? |
| 14:32.20 | stew | lastnode: yes |
| 14:32.32 | lastnode | stew, so i wont need firmware, OR the apt package? |
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| 14:32.43 | abrotman | i thought that was the anme of the package |
| 14:32.46 | stew | lastnode: you'd still need firmware |
| 14:32.56 | minimec | stew: We both know that this is a debian question. And running a sarge server, I know that I am in the right channel ;) Bye the way I asked the same question in #ubuntu |
| 14:32.57 | stew | abrotman: -source for m-a packages |
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| 14:33.03 | Shakal | r |
| 14:33.04 | ootput | lastnode: as it says :) |
| 14:33.08 | abrotman | i was so close :) |
| 14:33.16 | Shakal | hey guyyyssss |
| 14:33.20 | pmo12 | xoz, in Xwrapper there is something like allowed_users = rootonly you may change it for allowed_users = pmo12 hmm sorry console, would be enough :) |
| 14:33.23 | Shakal | finally i found this!! |
| 14:33.35 | stew | minimec: i know for sure its not a debian question, if you install dapper packages onto sarge, you're likely to find neither channel willing to support you |
| 14:33.41 | RvGaTe | 27min left, lest see if i can skip leave early today |
| 14:34.00 | lastnode | minimec, why would you want to install packages that are precompiled for another distro on to sarge anyway? |
| 14:34.05 | ootput | RvGaTe: ah, so you want to hang around longer? |
| 14:34.21 | Shakal | the problem is: How can i change de Screen Resolution to 1024x768? |
| 14:34.27 | abrotman | !drxx Shakal |
| 14:34.28 | dpkg | Shakal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:34.36 | visik7 | hi |
| 14:34.40 | minimec | stew: This is a dpkg question. I am not installing dapper things on sarge. I just have another dapper installation. |
| 14:34.48 | fourat | !sata |
| 14:34.48 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | minimec: it's a broken package from ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 14:35.00 | kspath | minimec: Wrong answer. It is not a Debian package. bye |
| 14:35.00 | RvGaTe | ootput: lol, didn't mention to type the "skip" part |
| 14:35.02 | ootput | Shakal: try Control-Shift-+ |
| 14:35.03 | visik7 | is there a comman like to apt-cache rdepends <package> to see if a package is replaced by some other ? |
| 14:35.11 | stew | minimec: what is the package you are having trouble with? |
| 14:35.13 | xoz | pmo12: the default, allowed_users=console is i think ok... got the mistake. i have to do aptitute install -t unstable xorg |
| 14:35.18 | Eulex | minimec, still, ubuntu != debian. and they have patched their dpkg. |
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| 14:35.36 | xoz | pmo12: maybe deps problem. startx works fine now... thanks |
| 14:36.07 | minimec | Why are you so simple minded. I am not asking a special question about Ubuntu. I have a question about dpkg, wich is used the same way in debian and ubuntu... |
| 14:36.17 | kspath | minimec: Are you trying to say that if I have a debian workstation or server in the corner and it is ANY distribution or anything that uses dpkg in any way that #debian is supposed to support it? |
| 14:36.19 | minimec | stew: mldonkey-server |
| 14:36.28 | abrotman | bah .. warez crap |
| 14:36.40 | ootput | xoz: it'll make you cry |
| 14:36.50 | Shakal | ootput, i think it works! |
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| 14:36.59 | stew | minimec: what does "apt-cache policy mldonkey-server" say for Installed: and Candidate:? |
| 14:37.02 | Shakal | ootput, thanks it's a lot more simple :D |
| 14:37.07 | jair | hello guys... good morning |
| 14:37.09 | kspath | minimec: man dpkg is a start /msg dpkg grounding /msg dpkg reference |
| 14:37.12 | xoz | ootput: true. lots of breakage. the transition is painful. at least X works for me now. |
| 14:37.14 | ootput | Shakal: heh, it's only temporary though |
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| 14:37.20 | jair | how id everybody today? |
| 14:37.23 | jair | ;) |
| 14:37.27 | Shakal | ootput, why temporary? |
| 14:37.28 | asg | ego's fine, thanks |
| 14:37.29 | pmo12 | xoz, welcome.. you'll do 5 hours sudoku... for the trouble :) thank all man on earth except bush and ben laden.. |
| 14:37.51 | ootput | Shakal: because the changes you made were for this session only |
| 14:37.57 | jair | I has been trying to have my server xseries 330 run with debian sarge and I can't yet |
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| 14:38.07 | abrotman | jair: why not? |
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| 14:38.16 | jair | I found couple of issues that could be causing this: |
| 14:38.16 | Shakal | ootput, i think there is a problem with XServer and my Nvidia video card. There is a alternative for XServer? |
| 14:38.27 | minimec | stew: Yes. Both |
| 14:38.28 | jair | 1)I do not have the BIOS of the server configure well |
| 14:38.40 | jair | 2)The utility of the scsi controller is not configure correctly |
| 14:38.45 | stew | minimec: what does it actually say? |
| 14:38.49 | stew | minimec: like which versions? |
| 14:38.54 | ootput | Shakal: I don't think there is |
| 14:38.55 | jair | 3)the raidcontroller bios is not set up properly. |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:38.57 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:39.00 | ootput | Shakal: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 14:39.12 | ootput | 'night |
| 14:39.17 | Shakal | :D |
| 14:39.22 | jair | abrotman: ok sorry I send the same messages to another server that is why |
| 14:39.25 | minimec | stew: Both the same versions 2.7.1-2ubuntu2 |
| 14:39.37 | jair | but it is ok I will type them again |
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| 14:39.45 | stew | minimec: we can't help you with ubuntu packages |
| 14:39.49 | Shakal | dpkg, hey man, i think there is a problem with my nVidia Video Card and XServer. There is a alternative for XServer? |
| 14:39.51 | dpkg | Shakal: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:39.57 | jair | and in the last thing I will try will be compile a kernel with the aic7xxx driver for the scsi and somehow find drivers for the IBM raid controller? |
| 14:39.58 | Eulex | !bot |
| 14:39.58 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 14:40.10 | stew | minimec: please stop wasting people's time in here |
| 14:40.12 | xoz | pmo12: in just less than a month of not using my computer... and sid got a major facelift :). |
| 14:40.13 | Shakal | when the session starts, a window shows up with erron |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 14:40.22 | kspath | !tell Shakal about dpkg |
| 14:40.30 | jair | abrotman: it is possible to tell debian installer to load another driver from a floppy disk for example of a usb? |
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| 14:40.40 | abrotman | jair: it used to be .. still should be |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | !tell jair about custom netinst |
| 14:40.51 | abrotman | !tell jair about sarge uni |
| 14:41.00 | minimec | stew: Well my questions was about dpkg options. |
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| 14:41.06 | kspath | minimec: man dpkg is a start /msg dpkg grounding /msg dpkg reference |
| 14:41.14 | minimec | stew: Thx anyway. You tried to help me. |
| 14:41.23 | stew | minimec: if #ubuntu can't help you try a ubuntu mailing-list |
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| 14:41.25 | Shakal | oh... dpkg is a bot |
| 14:41.30 | abrotman | or try the ubuntu BTS |
| 14:41.31 | minimec | kspath: I know what that means. |
| 14:41.33 | jair | abrotman: I think that the only thing I am missing is the driver for the scsi that I already found it, but I will ne 1)add it during the installation of the debian or 2) compile my own kernel with the drivers I need etc.. |
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| 14:41.41 | pmo12 | xoz, i may have to upgrade then.. but i am reluctant to go on unstable.. i better like to be bothered by MY stuff that all upgrade and instability stuff :) |
| 14:41.45 | streuner | minimec: or just install debian ;-) |
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| 14:41.53 | jair | abrotman: ubuntu BTS? |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | jair: not you |
| 14:42.00 | minimec | I am familliar with debian and Linux for quiet some time. ;) |
| 14:42.10 | abrotman | jair: try the <sarge 2.6.15> .. |
| 14:42.13 | kspath | streuner: Apparently, minimec claims trying to install a unbuntu package unto/into a debian install. |
| 14:42.16 | minimec | streuner: Well I have my sarge-server |
| 14:42.22 | pmo12 | xoz, but that's good news, for sure :) and i understand what you mean :) |
| 14:42.26 | minimec | kspath: nope. |
| 14:42.35 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:42.47 | streuner | kspath: uh, that's even worser as i thought before ;-) |
| 14:42.56 | xoz | pmo12: sid is not boring :) |
| 14:43.17 | kspath | streuner: Apparently, minimec can not communicate what he/she/it is doing and will not do homework on man dpkg. |
| 14:43.27 | Azar | minimec: if you are running Debian forget everything about ubuntu. |
| 14:43.42 | pmo12 | xoz, something..it can come out a bit broken. i think. also depends on how many package you use i suppose.. modules and all |
| 14:44.25 | abrotman | Azar: he's trying to put ubuntu packages on sarge |
| 14:44.33 | Azar | abrotman: hahahahahaha |
| 14:44.33 | jair | abrotman: I actually tried already but my concer is, if I use any of those installers unofficial I will have security and packages updates but not for my kernel right? |
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| 14:45.00 | abrotman | jair: you'll just need to pay attention .. it's giong to be the same if you make your own kernel anyways |
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| 14:45.08 | pmo12 | xoz, in fact.. looking after.. all configure files.. and all to get all working back again.. well i did it so many times... that i don't see this much fun, nowadays :) |
| 14:45.14 | minimec | kspath: My simple questioin was: What option shall I use to remove a half-configured package. That's all. And these is a debian and ubuntu related question... |
| 14:45.29 | stew | minimec: sorry, wrong channel. please move on |
| 14:45.42 | Azar | minimec: if you want to run a healty, secure Debian system you only rely on Debian packages, no alien packages at all |
| 14:45.42 | jair | abrotman: also,if I tried already the installer 2.6.15 (which comes with the driver for the scsi conroller but still not seen the scsi drivers at the phase of partition the disks, what do you think should I do? |
| 14:45.52 | kspath | minimec: man dpkg;man apt |
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| 14:46.10 | xoz | pmo12: yep. of course i have a stable debian but sid is more interesting and a good learning experience. it forces me to review some fundamentals although i agree that sometimes it is too much. |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | jair: verify there is support for the controller at all .. waht is it? |
| 14:47.06 | kspath | minimec: There are numerous resources at www.debian.org and other sites. There mailing lists and mailing list archives. If you are willing to do research you will find what you want. |
| 14:47.12 | Azar | xoz: to run sid requires you know how to fix dependencies and broken packages, you are on your own there |
| 14:47.14 | kspath | !tell minimec about research |
| 14:47.23 | stew | kspath: please take it to #ubuntu |
| 14:47.51 | kspath | stew: Excuse me? |
| 14:48.00 | pmo12 | xoz, when you start.. it's ok.. because you learn.. and you learn much.. but well i started to install linux in 94, so now.. :-/ it's not that fun anymore :) |
| 14:48.14 | stew | kspath: if you wish to provide support to ubuntu users, this is the wrong channel |
| 14:48.55 | xoz | Azar: yep. not a good thing it you have no time... don't do the crime if you have no time :). anyway, i'm glad Xorg 7 works now with some readings to do. |
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| 14:49.19 | kspath | stew: 1) I told minimec about going to that channel earlier. 2) I am pointing that person to other resources which is what is supposed to be done when someone is not supposed to bother #debian with it. |
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| 14:50.22 | stew | kspath: you seem to be trying to engage him, and give him information, although he is running a debian derived distro, its still now on-topic in this channel |
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| 14:50.38 | asg | s/now/not/ |
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| 14:52.35 | minimec | kspath: stew: I am on both channels. Thx I think we found the problem know. |
| 14:52.51 | pmo12 | minimec, var/lib/dpkg/info .. and look what your package is supposed to do.. and where it got broken and all.. |
| 14:53.15 | streuner | pmo12: are you care about /topic? |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | minimec: you mean ... you got help in #ubuntu for an ubuntu package .. what a concept .. :) |
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| 14:53.31 | minimec | pmo12: THX I will have a look at that |
| 14:53.42 | kspath | stew: You seem to be confused. I pointed said person to debian resources as this is a debian channel. They will refer to dpkg which is what said person claimed to be interested in. I did it so said person could not claim any excuses about #debian since #debian people most definitely pointed said person to all/most outside resources. |
| 14:53.43 | pmo12 | streuner, i can see the topic.. sounds there is too much on the topic |
| 14:54.03 | streuner | pmo12: go somewhere else if you want support ubuntu |
| 14:54.10 | minimec | abrotman: No. I got help with an dpkg related problem. That's how I see it, using debian for years ;) |
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| 14:54.51 | abrotman | minimec: with a FUCKING BROKEN UBUNTU PACKAGE .. which the problem is clearly listed in the ubuntu bug DB .. freaking moron |
| 14:54.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: HELP |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: hi |
| 14:55.00 | roadfish | dpkg kernel source |
| 14:55.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: DAMN THIS FUCKING HTML AND CSS |
| 14:55.10 | pmo12 | streuner, it's not written onthe 'optic' ? but well i gave him a hand.. that's the purpose of this room i suppose, shouldn't hurt that much.. but according to the number of people in the room.. yes could matter :-/ |
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| 14:55.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/?gu |
| 14:55.14 | s0n1 | hi |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not fun |
| 14:55.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you see the fucking table at the bottom? |
| 14:55.25 | s0n1 | someone have download openwebmail.deb -> 2.52 |
| 14:55.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: yep yep |
| 14:55.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not the same width like the other table |
| 14:55.27 | s0n1 | ??? |
| 14:55.38 | roadfish | dpkg: kernel source |
| 14:55.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: HOW CAN I FUCKING TELL THIS PIECE OF SHIT FIREFOX TO RENDER IT LIKE THE OTHER FECKING TABLE? |
| 14:55.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: give them both a width .. for the entire table |
| 14:56.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: i did, 100% |
| 14:56.06 | pmo12 | tarzeau, :) |
| 14:56.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: but one fucking table renders full page width the other not |
| 14:56.17 | kspath | !tell tarzeau about caps |
| 14:56.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: use like .. 95% |
| 14:56.21 | pmo12 | tarzeau, easy.. apt-get --purge remove mozilla-firefox :) |
| 14:56.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: this is a fucking shit of firefox ! and css |
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| 14:56.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not just FF |
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| 14:56.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: that doesn't help |
| 14:57.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: do the numbers add up to 100 ? |
| 14:57.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: no but that's not the point! |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | it may very well be the point :) |
| 14:57.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: the other table with position: fixed |
| 14:57.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: NO IT'S NOT |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: let me peek a bit |
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| 14:57.41 | roadfish | APT tells me that it can't find source package when I do |
| 14:57.44 | roadfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.45 | roadfish | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:57.59 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 14:58.02 | vovo4ka | hello! |
| 14:58.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: you have totally different CSS rules for each table |
| 14:58.11 | tarzeau | roadfish: apt-get update and get a later one |
| 14:58.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: so what? |
| 14:58.22 | abrotman | roadfish: it's been removed .. etch is up to 2.6.15 |
| 14:58.23 | stew | roadfish: 2.6.11 has been removed in favor of newer sources. what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:58.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's the same |
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| 14:58.41 | vovo4ka | i am tring to compile debian 2.6.8 kernel... plz tell me some guides pages... |
| 14:58.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: msg! |
| 14:59.07 | power1 | Whats the simplest way to see a list of running daemons, without having to use grep and "ps" ? |
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| 14:59.13 | stew | vovo4ka: why compile one? why not use the debian compiled kerel? |
| 14:59.35 | streuner | power1: what's wrong with 'ps'? |
| 14:59.42 | roadfish | ok, thanks |
| 14:59.52 | vovo4ka | stew, got some manual... dunno |
| 14:59.52 | kspath | power1: pry bar to machine case and look inside. They are running around in there. |
| 15:00.07 | s0n1 | someone have download openwebmail.deb -> 2.52 ???? |
| 15:00.11 | kspath | power1: top htop ps ... |
| 15:00.25 | stew | vovo4ka: i'd suggest you stick to the debian kernels then |
| 15:00.27 | Ronin | s0n1: why? just ask your question about it etc. |
| 15:00.35 | xoz | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 |
| 15:00.38 | power1 | kspath, you missed you calling..you should be on the stage cracking up audiences <grin> |
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| 15:00.56 | pmo12 | vovo4ka, make and make menuconfig or make qconfig are your friends |
| 15:00.59 | kspath | power1: What defines what is a daemon to you? |
| 15:01.16 | kspath | power1: Anything that has a name that ends in d ? |
| 15:01.19 | vovo4ka | stew, what packages? |
| 15:01.25 | vovo4ka | kernel-build ? |
| 15:01.29 | stew | vovo4ka: you run stable aka sarge? |
| 15:01.33 | power1 | kspath, I am looking for something similar to "rc-status" in gentoo thats shows running daemons..... |
| 15:01.35 | vovo4ka | yes |
| 15:01.38 | stew | vovo4ka: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 15:01.44 | vovo4ka | 2.4 |
| 15:02.02 | kspath | power1: What does rc-status use? Does it use ps? |
| 15:02.23 | s0n1 | Ronin : i need download of last version openwebmail |
| 15:02.31 | s0n1 | someone have? have mirror? .dep ? |
| 15:02.49 | power1 | kspath, rc-status gathers and displays information about the status of init |
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| 15:03.03 | petemc | s0n1: what features does the latest version have you need so badly? |
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| 15:03.23 | kspath | power1: What is stopping you from using the code from that for your script doing the same thing? |
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| 15:03.57 | power1 | kspath, I dunno, I was looking for a toll that is debian included..... |
| 15:04.06 | power1 | oopps make that a tool |
| 15:04.32 | Azar | stew, remember the bug I used to have since switching to etch, with irssi at session close? abrotman helped me, I used to use an old version of irssi-text that worked in sarge: upgrading irssi fixed it for etch |
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| 15:04.36 | godmachine81 | when is the scheduled release of "etch"? |
| 15:04.44 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 15:04.44 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00000.html |
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| 15:05.25 | godmachine81 | !siyh |
| 15:05.25 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 15:05.40 | godmachine81 | !wir |
| 15:05.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:06.00 | godmachine81 | !etch pool |
| 15:06.00 | dpkg | methinks etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 15:06.06 | jair | abrotman: is a aic7xxx scsi from a server xseries IBM 330 :( |
| 15:06.08 | kspath | power1: I am searching. There is a tool to change what is "on"/"off" but I did not care/look for one that lists running deamons since I always write my own scripts. |
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| 15:06.31 | Azar | 49 days since I upgraded to etch: not even one single blip. runs as well as Sarge |
| 15:06.35 | lord_rob | godmachine81: I read it was scheduled for december (of this year) |
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| 15:06.45 | godmachine81 | !listkeys etch pool |
| 15:06.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etch pool' by key (6): _default etch pool ;; #debian etch pool 1 ;; #debian etch pool ;; etch pool 1 ;; etch pool ;; _default etch pool 1. |
| 15:06.59 | dondelelcaro | godmachine81: you can /msg the bot... |
| 15:07.17 | majkl | how can I see (and also change) the default expiration time for arp entries ? |
| 15:07.21 | Azar | yeah godmachine81 it is nice to have the bot tell you in private what you need to know |
| 15:07.23 | power1 | kspath, I humbly bow in awe and admiration,,,as I have not yet started writing my own scripts.... |
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| 15:07.36 | godmachine81 | sorry for bothering everyone so badly |
| 15:07.46 | godmachine81 | like you had something better to read (parts /joins??) |
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| 15:08.12 | Azar | godmachine81: I got parts/joins removed from my screen |
| 15:08.18 | godmachine81 | wow |
| 15:08.21 | godmachine81 | thats so cool |
| 15:08.24 | stew | Azar: sorry, i don't remember |
| 15:08.24 | kspath | power1: apt-cache search sysv has some things but I do not think any of them sit you exactly. |
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| 15:08.46 | Azar | stew: that used to be a small bug with irssi in etch |
| 15:08.54 | kspath | power1: Start scripting now and do it often. Learn at least basic regex |
| 15:09.21 | Knight_Lord | Whenever i uncomment the Load glx in my xorg.conf my X11 goes apeshit. I'm using the nvidia drivers. Any advice? |
| 15:09.55 | power1 | kspath, yeah I plan to do so, Ive got an excellent CBT called "linux Bash Scripting" |
| 15:10.00 | Azar | Knight_Lord: why don't you use the reconfigure tool to get your options straight? |
| 15:10.10 | bobslaede | tralala |
| 15:10.10 | Knight_Lord | Azar what reconfigure? |
| 15:10.14 | power1 | kspath, regex ? |
| 15:10.19 | kspath | power1: It still comes down to what is a daemon. |
| 15:10.22 | Knight_Lord | Azar dpkg-reconfigure xorg? |
| 15:10.28 | kspath | power1: regular expressions |
| 15:10.34 | Azar | Knight_Lord: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 15:10.34 | power1 | aha... |
| 15:10.35 | bobslaede | tralala: from before, my version of usbmount was apparently a bit old, updated it, everything works perfectly now! |
| 15:10.42 | s0n1 | openwebmail 2.52 |
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| 15:10.47 | Knight_Lord | Azar i seriously doubt that will work |
| 15:10.53 | Knight_Lord | Azar but i can try |
| 15:10.55 | s0n1 | in page openwebmail |
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| 15:11.01 | s0n1 | in debian have some ii openwebmail 2.51-1.2 WebMail based on Neomail |
| 15:11.06 | Azar | Knight_Lord: manually altering files is not quite elegant |
| 15:11.17 | Knight_Lord | Azar it sure works |
| 15:11.46 | pmo12 | majkl, ip neigh |
| 15:12.20 | Azar | Knight_Lord: I do not know about xorg, I use xfree86 and that file has a warning in its header, I learned it the hard way |
| 15:12.29 | s0n1 | i need 2.52 |
| 15:12.37 | jair | abrotman: and the thing is that when I am in the bios of the server I can not see any info of the drives scsi :(? |
| 15:13.25 | stew | s0n1: openwebmail doesn't appear to be in debian |
| 15:13.41 | stew | vovo4ka: please keep it in the channel |
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| 15:13.51 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 15:13.52 | stew | vovo4ka: did you read /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel? |
| 15:13.54 | majkl | pmo12: ok, but there I don't see expiration timeout for entries |
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| 15:14.40 | vovo4ka | stew, now i am tring to install kernel-image... simply |
| 15:14.46 | lastnode | is there anyway to get etch via debootstrap? |
| 15:14.59 | stew | vovo4ka: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:15.04 | Azar | vovo4ka: Sarge offers you a strong pre-compiled kernel 2.6.8 easy to install. No need to hassle with compiling your own if you do not really need one. |
| 15:15.23 | vovo4ka | yes yes |
| 15:15.26 | vovo4ka | i found on cd |
| 15:15.40 | s0n1 | write write |
| 15:15.40 | stew | vovo4ka: then yes, "dpkg -i" is fine |
| 15:15.40 | vovo4ka | but aptitude goes to web 8-( |
| 15:15.50 | jair | any good manual to compile the kernel? at least the latest kernel :) |
| 15:15.52 | Azar | vovo4ka: is nice to first upgrade to a 2.6 kernel then upgrade to etch. be patient |
| 15:16.27 | Knight_Lord | Azar same problem after the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:16.30 | stew | Azar: why do you recomend he upgrade to etch? |
| 15:16.33 | neoXite | hi, i'm running sarge and for a certain reason, i need to prevent it from loading e100.ko for my nic, and load eepro100.ko instead |
| 15:16.42 | vovo4ka | Azar, 8-) |
| 15:16.45 | Azar | stew: I don't , vovo4ka wants it |
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| 15:17.06 | neoXite | i already unblacklisted eepro100 in hotplug, and blacklisted e100 instead |
| 15:17.11 | Azar | vovo4ka: stay with sarge at least for a while until you learn it well |
| 15:17.14 | stew | Azar: did he tell you in /msg ? he didn't say so in the channel as far as i have seen |
| 15:17.34 | Azar | Knight_Lord: sorry to hear that, I did not tried xorg yet, too new for me |
| 15:17.42 | neoXite | but it still keeps loading e100 at bootup, where else do i have to change something for it to stop loading that module? |
| 15:17.50 | stew | neoXite: is it listed in /etc/modules? |
| 15:17.54 | Azar | stew, no he did not msg, maybe he msg you because he is shy? |
| 15:18.11 | neoXite | Stew: nope |
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| 15:18.27 | stew | Azar: then how do you know he wants etch? |
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| 15:18.39 | neoXite | i also tried an 'alias e100 off' in etc/modutils/aliases |
| 15:18.42 | Azar | stew: the way I understood he wants to jump on etch (he told so earlier) because wants to get a 2.6.15 kernel... |
| 15:18.57 | pmo12 | majkl, i don't exactly know |
| 15:19.12 | neoXite | also didn't help, still e100 gets loaded at bootup |
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| 15:19.21 | pmo12 | majkl, i think i once checked.. on a .. RFC.. |
| 15:19.26 | the_mug | Exim or Qmail? |
| 15:19.29 | stew | Azar: no, he asked about a 2.6.8 kenrel not 2.6.15 |
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| 15:19.45 | majkl | pmo12: I don't know if is this possible in linux. Cisco without problem (show arp) .. |
| 15:20.03 | pmo12 | majkl, that is bashphem :) my son :) |
| 15:20.24 | stew | neoXite: you should blacklist it with discover too (if you haven't already): /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:20.34 | kspath | power1: Did you look in /usr/share/doc for things refering to rc? |
| 15:20.37 | Azar | oh I mixed xoz/roadfish comments with his sorry |
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| 15:21.17 | neoXite | stew: thanks i havent tried that yet, still a noob i guess |
| 15:21.18 | stew | the_mug: exim. qmail isnt' in debian |
| 15:21.26 | pmo12 | majkl, maybe related to.. hmm |
| 15:21.34 | power1 | kspath, nope....should I? |
| 15:21.35 | stew | neoXite: don't worry about it, in etch its all changing anyway :) |
| 15:22.01 | lastnode | is there anyway i can debootstrap etch instead of sarge? |
| 15:22.05 | vovo4ka | i do dpkg -i kernel.... |
| 15:22.07 | vovo4ka | reboot |
| 15:22.12 | vovo4ka | kernel panic |
| 15:22.13 | pmo12 | majkl, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh |
| 15:22.19 | vovo4ka | cant init dev/console |
| 15:22.24 | stew | lastnode: yes, man debootstrap, but you must use debootstrap from testing or unstable in order to debootstrap testing |
| 15:22.24 | vovo4ka | =(( |
| 15:22.33 | stew | vovo4ka: can't mount root? |
| 15:22.36 | the_mug | stew: but I can compile it... I only need to send out messages from my web apps... potentially use another box to route those messages... should I stick with exim then? |
| 15:22.40 | lastnode | stew, what's the best testing/unstable mirror? |
| 15:23.02 | lastnode | stew, also, do i need to download a script to place in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts ? |
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| 15:23.44 | stew | lastnode: if just want debootstrap, http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
| 15:23.45 | vovo4ka | cant open /dev/console |
| 15:23.54 | stew | lastnode: no, the newer packages will have newer scripts |
| 15:24.09 | stew | the_mug: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ; choose "smart host" |
| 15:24.17 | stew | !devconsole |
| 15:24.17 | dpkg | well, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 15:24.17 | lastnode | stew, im on gentoo, i emerged debootstrap. it doesnt have scripts for etch |
| 15:24.41 | vovo4ka | stew: pivot_root: no such file or directory |
| 15:24.42 | stew | lastnode: yeah then you definately need to get a newer debootstrap from packages.debian.org |
| 15:24.57 | fourat | !sata |
| 15:24.57 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 15:25.04 | fourat | !config_sata |
| 15:25.09 | stew | vovo4ka: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html |
| 15:25.18 | fourat | what's this : or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 15:25.27 | fourat | how can i do it ? |
| 15:25.33 | stew | fourat: are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 15:25.46 | fourat | no got it from binaries (apt) |
| 15:26.05 | stew | fourat: then that doesn't apply to you, it's already enabled, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:26.07 | the_mug | stew: I was just about to run that! :-) |
| 15:26.07 | fourat | but would like to do it to resolve my sata problem |
| 15:26.12 | lastnode | stew, ill need to compile from source, right? |
| 15:26.18 | kspath | power1: there is a README and skeleton in /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:26.24 | stew | lastnode: no, its just a shell script |
| 15:26.40 | lastnode | cool StereoSkit |
| 15:26.42 | fourat | stew, 2.6.14-2-386 |
| 15:26.44 | lastnode | stew, i mean |
| 15:26.45 | the_mug | stew: thanks, you're an IRC warrior! :-) |
| 15:27.10 | Knight_Lord | Whenever i uncomment the Load glx in my xorg.conf my X11 goes apeshit. I'm using the nvidia drivers. Any advice? |
| 15:27.41 | stew | fourat: "grep CONFIG_SATA /boot/config-$(uname -r)" should return CONFIG_SATA=m |
| 15:27.44 | stew | hmm |
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| 15:28.01 | stew | fourat: "grep CONFIG_SCSI_SATA /boot/config-$(uname -r)" should return CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=m |
| 15:28.01 | vovo4ka | stew, Well... just to run makedev update? |
| 15:28.22 | stew | !sata =~ s#CONFIG_SATA#CONFIG_SCSI_SATA# |
| 15:28.22 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 15:28.40 | stew | vovo4ka: yes |
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| 15:28.56 | stew | Knight_Lord: which version of x11-common do you have installed? |
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| 15:29.44 | jair | guys the best way to remove an account user from a Linux box leaving their files ?? |
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| 15:29.44 | fourat | stew, it's returning 'm' |
| 15:29.44 | jair | I mean I want to remove the account user but preserve their files for any circustances |
| 15:29.47 | kspath | power1: http://wiki.debianhelp.org/pmwiki.php/DebianHelpPages/DebianInitScripts |
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| 15:29.51 | stew | fourat: you have support then |
| 15:30.05 | stew | jair: deluser username ; (man deluser) |
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| 15:30.25 | fourat | am blocked with sata so |
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| 15:30.47 | kspath | power1: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Runlevel_Config_Tools_for_Debian |
| 15:30.54 | neoXite | stew: thanks, that did it! =P |
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| 15:31.06 | vovo4ka | stew, i did MAKEDEV update and MAKEDEV console.... the same error |
| 15:31.29 | kspath | power1: Those do not fit what you asked about exactly but they will inform you about debian ways of dealing with rc/init scripts |
| 15:31.30 | vovo4ka | i booted in 2.4 |
| 15:31.31 | lastnode | where can i find the url of a testing mirror so i can debootstrap etch? |
| 15:31.41 | fourat | it works fine until the hard disk is sollicited (a big file cpying, scp or ftp transfer ...) the system freezes and shows lines like this : ata1: command 0x35 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x24 |
| 15:31.50 | jair | stew: I got it :) |
| 15:31.56 | fourat | am using the sata_sil module with libata |
| 15:32.10 | fourat | the error is the same with ubuntu and debian |
| 15:32.59 | minimec | pmo12: you were right. I had to modify (exit 0) /var/lib/dpkg/info/mldonkey-server.prerm So my mldonkey.server.de is gone... even on fucking ubuntu ;) |
| 15:33.25 | trenka | vovo4ka: seems you have bad initrd |
| 15:34.07 | pmo12 | minimec, blasphem.. :-/ ub.. tu.. 5 hours sudoku.. and no more bush vote :) |
| 15:34.16 | fourat | stew, anyidea ? |
| 15:34.40 | vovo4ka | stew, how to install 2.6.8 ? after fresh 2.4 installation |
| 15:34.44 | vovo4ka | sarge3.1 |
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| 15:35.11 | stew | fourat: sounds like your drive is going bad. see if smartmontools supports your drive |
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| 15:35.31 | Belboz99 | Hey, anyone know the console command to change what services start on boot? |
| 15:35.53 | lastnode | Belboz99, rc-update? |
| 15:35.57 | fourat | stew, am installing it |
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| 15:36.08 | vovo4ka | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know what "tts" is |
| 15:36.09 | vovo4ka | 8-( |
| 15:36.18 | stew | vovo4ka: /msg dpkg devconsole ; check both urls, if that doesn't work, i don't know. if you ran MAKEDEV from 2.4, maybe devfs was mounted, you might need to run it in the static dev, which, i think is /dev/.static (but i dont' remember, i never had to figure out devfs ) |
| 15:36.23 | kspath | Belboz99: http://wiki.debianhelp.org/pmwiki.php/DebianHelpPages/DebianInitScripts |
| 15:36.38 | kspath | Belboz99: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Runlevel_Config_Tools_for_Debian |
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| 15:37.26 | minimec | pmo12: What a punishment.. This is hard... But one good thing: I can't even vote for Bush, and (this is even better) nobody can anymore. ;) |
| 15:37.32 | kspath | Belboz99: Did you look in /usr/share/doc for things refering to rc? |
| 15:38.05 | kspath | softwork: English here please. |
| 15:38.18 | stew | !br |
| 15:38.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:38.18 | pmo12 | minimec, i know.. :) unhappily.. except in november.. resurection of the people of good will in november.. |
| 15:38.19 | tziku | what i need to install to have an advanced user loging ? commands last ip login.... .bash_history is not enough... |
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| 15:38.36 | Belboz99 | actually guys I was thinking of a console-interface that would have a list of all the system services and allow me to enable or disable them by selecting / deselecting them |
| 15:38.36 | Belboz99 | I've used this command before, but it was a while back and I can't remember the name of it |
| 15:39.01 | trenka | stew: 18:24 < vovo4ka> stew: pivot_root: no such file or directory |
| 15:39.02 | stew | tziku: if you install snoopy you get every single command executed logged into /var/log/auth.log, but it might be too much |
| 15:39.20 | stew | trenka: ? |
| 15:39.20 | asg | Belboz99: rcconf ; update-rc.d |
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| 15:39.29 | Belboz99 | hey kspath, that second link you sent me was it, thanks! |
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| 15:39.54 | trenka | stew: if he got it, seems his initrd does not contain driver for root device or like this |
| 15:39.54 | kspath | Belboz99: did you read what asg just said? |
| 15:40.31 | stew | trenka: no, that would be "kernel panic: vfs: can't mount root" |
| 15:41.05 | vovo4ka | i need just command in shell |
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| 15:41.06 | vovo4ka | 8-\ |
| 15:41.19 | vovo4ka | but what? |
| 15:41.53 | fourat | i have a 'pF' statuse code when doing a dpkg -l|grep fnfxd |
| 15:42.05 | fourat | that package wont be removed, neither purged |
| 15:42.17 | fourat | and it wont let me install anything with apt-get |
| 15:42.21 | fourat | how to remove it ? |
| 15:42.57 | tziku | stew how can activate snoopy / |
| 15:42.58 | tziku | ? |
| 15:43.04 | stew | fourat: try: dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:43.10 | stew | tziku: dpkg-reconfigure snoopy |
| 15:43.29 | Azar | vovo4ka: what do you mean? |
| 15:43.35 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 15:43.48 | vovo4ka | is this so hard to install 2.6.8 on debian? |
| 15:43.51 | vovo4ka | 8-( |
| 15:44.00 | tziku | stew i install snoopy library to .... then ? |
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| 15:44.18 | M4N|4C | hello |
| 15:44.19 | stew | tziku: apt-get install snoopy |
| 15:44.28 | tziku | done |
| 15:44.34 | tziku | then ? |
| 15:44.44 | fourat | stew, it raises the same errors with fnfxd package when i try to install anything with apt |
| 15:44.50 | fourat | how to remove this package |
| 15:45.34 | stew | fourat: put the actual errors into a pastebin |
| 15:45.34 | vovo4ka | Azar, i want 2.6.8 8-) |
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| 15:46.05 | lastnode | when i run debootstrap --arch i386 etch /mnt/debian/ http://mirror.pusling.com/debian/unstable/, i get /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch: line 3: finddebs_style: command not found |
| 15:46.05 | lastnode | . i downloaded the etch script from the web b/c the emerge package didnt have it (im chrooting from inside gentoo) |
| 15:46.14 | Azar | vovo4ka: you open up an xterm, do a "su" command (will require you a root password) then type command : apt-cache search kernel-image it gives you a list of 2.6.8 kernels, look to see what is the one good for your CPU type, note it down then : aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-(your CPUtype here) |
| 15:46.55 | M4N|4C | I have a perl script for rebuilding my apache virtualhosts conf file. I run it from cron. But i have a little problem. My script has a restart command at the end. |
| 15:47.02 | M4N|4C | system("/etc/init.d/apache reload > /dev/null"); |
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| 15:47.15 | M4N|4C | but i get this errors from cron daemon |
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| 15:47.30 | M4N|4C | . /etc/init.d/apache: line 70: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 15:47.33 | stew | vovo4ka: if you have a /dev/.static ; cd there, then run the MAKEDEV commands (you were in /dev/ when you tried to run them last time, right?) |
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| 15:48.08 | stew | M4N|4C: you have to be root to restart apache. if you script is already running as root, then it is missing the sbin bits from PATH |
| 15:48.10 | M4N|4C | How can i fix it |
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| 15:48.14 | vovo4ka | stew, no .static |
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| 15:48.25 | M4N|4C | stew it runs as root |
| 15:48.58 | stew | M4N|4C: start-stop-daemon is in /sbin that must be missing from the path then |
| 15:49.00 | fourat | stew, there was a kernel image that i wanted to install but it wont because it's for a different arch (686), i removed it now, dpkg --configure -a returns nothing now |
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| 15:49.19 | stew | fourat: what cpu do you have? |
| 15:49.19 | fourat | the status code is now 'rF' in dpkg -l|grep fnfxd |
| 15:49.19 | vovo4ka | stew, there is no .static 8-( |
| 15:49.22 | pengol | hi there ... sould I use smp kernel whith HT processors? |
| 15:49.37 | abrotman | !ht |
| 15:49.37 | dpkg | hmm... ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 15:49.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:49.41 | fourat | stew, am ok with 2.6.14-386 |
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| 15:49.49 | stew | vovo4ka: were you in the /dev directory when you ran MAKEDEV last time? does /dev/console exist? |
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| 15:49.57 | M4N|4C | stew what do i have to do ? |
| 15:50.09 | prock | I have a samba share I'm mounting and need to access as a non-root user. I can mount/umount it ok, and have set fmask, dmask, users to be very permissive but after I mount the drive my non-root cannot read any files. |
| 15:50.17 | vovo4ka | stew, yes |
| 15:50.29 | stew | M4N|4C: make sure /sbin is in the PATH variable when your script runs /etc/init.d/apache reload |
| 15:50.39 | vovo4ka | stew, i ran it from /dev yes |
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| 15:51.51 | stew | vovo4ka: does "grep devfs /etc/fstab" return a result? |
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| 15:51.54 | M4N|4C | stew |
| 15:52.06 | M4N|4C | . /etc/init.d/apache has this line |
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| 15:52.10 | M4N|4C | ENV="env -i LANG=C PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin" |
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| 15:52.21 | vovo4ka | stew, no |
| 15:52.33 | lastnode | is the apt-get dist-upgrade from sarge to etch easy? |
| 15:52.38 | stew | vovo4ka: i dunno then |
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| 15:52.49 | lastnode | i cant seem to find an etch script for deebootstrap |
| 15:52.54 | pasha1979 | i just installed debian and my X is messed up! how can i restart teh config utility to detect the video, mouse. etc... |
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| 15:53.06 | asg | !drxx |
| 15:53.06 | vovo4ka | stew, great 8-0 |
| 15:53.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 15:53.10 | asg | pasha1979: ^^ |
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| 15:53.34 | kspath | !tell lastnode about debootstrap |
| 15:53.41 | stew | M4N|4C: that doesn't set the path variable, it sets the ENV variable |
| 15:53.50 | kspath | lastnode: Did you already see that? |
| 15:53.57 | Azar | vovo4ka: you could also have installed Sarge with linux2.6 command but now it looks late.. |
| 15:53.57 | M4N|4C | PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin" |
| 15:54.01 | stew | lastnode: http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
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| 15:54.04 | dererk | Hi all! |
| 15:54.08 | sussudio_ | asg: athlon 1ghz + PC66 memory + dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 = kernel MEIN LEBEN crashy |
| 15:54.27 | vovo4ka | 8-(( |
| 15:54.27 | dererk | I'm doing a research and I need to know an approx. number of distros which are based on Debian |
| 15:54.30 | asg | sussudio_: no ticky, no washy |
| 15:54.38 | petemc | dererk: distrowatch |
| 15:54.38 | dererk | Do you have any idea? |
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| 15:54.55 | kspath | dererk: 5000 |
| 15:54.57 | sussudio_ | !any ideas |
| 15:54.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a handful of starving hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:54.59 | Azar | dererk: three: stable, testing and unstable |
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| 15:55.41 | fourat | stew, http://pastebin.com/720786 |
| 15:55.49 | kspath | dererk: petemc said distrowatch to you. It is a useful resource sometimes. |
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| 15:56.00 | lastnode | kspath, stew , i did download the packages, but the shell script dies, saying i need to install perl. perl is installed though |
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| 15:56.46 | stew | lastnode: does it complain about a particluar perl module? what is the exact error message you are getting? |
| 15:57.20 | lastnode | stew, the package doesnt have the etch script anyway, it just has sarge and woody |
| 15:57.27 | Azar | vovo4ka: will you want to reinstall this time right? and with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:57.32 | flawd | only root can access my digital usb camera. thinking of doing a+rw on the usb device but can not find any /dev/usb ? |
| 15:57.47 | lastnode | flawd, you may need to add that user to a certain group |
| 15:57.48 | lastnode | wheel? |
| 15:57.58 | cahoot | flawd: camera or plugdev |
| 15:58.06 | stew | lastnode: it also has breezy etch hoary hoary.buildd potato sarge sid warty |
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| 15:58.08 | vovo4ka | Azar, i want 2.6.8 kernel.... |
| 15:58.09 | vovo4ka | 8-) |
| 15:58.35 | Azar | vovo4ka: it seems you are not able to access a console in order to get root and perform commands? |
| 15:58.42 | vovo4ka | i install fresh sarge3.1 |
| 15:58.51 | flawd | it is allready in camera and scanner group |
| 15:58.59 | stew | flawd: read /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.Debian |
| 15:58.59 | flawd | and plugdev |
| 15:59.02 | cahoot | flawd: you can see what group has the perms in /proc/bus/usb... |
| 15:59.02 | vovo4ka | Azar, 2.6 panic |
| 15:59.03 | stew | flawd: (iirc) |
| 15:59.08 | vovo4ka | Azar, 2.4 boots right |
| 15:59.31 | Azar | vovo4ka: what cpu is your machine using? |
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| 15:59.50 | vovo4ka | any way i ll continue later... |
| 15:59.52 | vovo4ka | P4 |
| 15:59.52 | pasha1979 | clear |
| 16:00.04 | Azar | vovo4ka: hold on a bit |
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| 16:00.08 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:00.19 | vovo4ka | ok |
| 16:00.25 | vovo4ka | only abit 8-) |
| 16:00.35 | sly007 | Which package is con2fbmap in? |
| 16:00.39 | sly007 | Can't find it |
| 16:00.44 | asg | sly007: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:00.47 | flawd | well ls -al /proc/bus/usb/003/003 (the cam) gives root root |
| 16:01.10 | fourat | stew any idea ? |
| 16:01.24 | vovo4ka | Azar, to private plz |
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| 16:01.35 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 16:01.44 | Azar | vovo4ka: better here if I mistaken someone will correct me :) |
| 16:01.45 | lastnode | stew, it has all those, but not etch |
| 16:01.53 | solemnwarning | Are the postfix packages built with the VDA patch? |
| 16:01.57 | vovo4ka | 8-) |
| 16:02.09 | vovo4ka | Azar, then i am waiting |
| 16:02.09 | stew | fourat: try a 2.6.15 kernel, i guess |
| 16:02.33 | Azar | vovo4ka: on the 2.4 kernel, get a command line as root and type: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:02.37 | stew | lastnode: if it has all those, it has etch. etch was in that list. |
| 16:02.53 | vovo4ka | Azar, thats how i installed kernel 8-) |
| 16:03.01 | stew | lastnode: what version of debootstrap did you get from packages.debian.org |
| 16:03.08 | lastnode | stew, 0.0.3 |
| 16:03.11 | vovo4ka | but i used dpkg -i |
| 16:03.21 | fourat | stew, tried it, same returned message from smartctl |
| 16:03.31 | Azar | vovo4ka, you do not need to use dpkg -i on a precompiled kernel |
| 16:03.46 | Azar | vovo4ka: try that again with no dpkg -i |
| 16:03.51 | stew | lastnode: 0.3.3? |
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| 16:04.02 | lastnode | stew, oh yeah, sorry. 0.3.3 |
| 16:04.02 | vovo4ka | Azar, aptitude ? |
| 16:04.07 | vovo4ka | Azar, what diffs? |
| 16:04.08 | cahoot | flawd: not using hotplug or udev? |
| 16:04.08 | flawd | well ls -al /proc/bus/usb/003/003 (the cam) gives root root. This is not like it should right? |
| 16:04.09 | stew | lastnode: then yeah, you have an etch script |
| 16:04.16 | Azar | vovo4ka: aptitude is a bit enhanced apt-get |
| 16:04.27 | trenka | vovo4ka: better if you show messages using serial console or at least take a photo |
| 16:04.28 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:04.36 | flawd | cahoot, I'm not sure. I have not purpousely installed either I think |
| 16:05.03 | lastnode | stew, i can give you a ls now that shows you my dir output :) |
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| 16:05.21 | kspath | !tell lastnode about paste |
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| 16:05.34 | lastnode | kspath, i was being sardonic, mostly :) |
| 16:05.47 | lastnode | i doubt stew wants a dir listing :) |
| 16:05.52 | vovo4ka | well... how to add cdrom to apt base? |
| 16:06.13 | Azar | vovo4ka: you do not have an internet connection? |
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| 16:06.25 | vovo4ka | Azar, i have... but i have cdrom too |
| 16:06.38 | stew | lastnode: oh, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2006-02-21 10:22 etch -> sid |
| 16:06.44 | Azar | vovo4ka: for now you do not need the cdrom, just take it from aptitude (online) |
| 16:06.47 | trenka | vovo4ka: BTW why don't you use #debian-russian ? |
| 16:06.53 | stew | lastnode: sid and etch use the same script |
| 16:06.55 | vovo4ka | 46MB |
| 16:06.56 | vovo4ka | 8) |
| 16:07.06 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:07.11 | Azar | vovo4ka: ah slow connection? |
| 16:07.19 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:07.21 | lastnode | stew, oh ok |
| 16:07.27 | vovo4ka | just tell me how to add cdrom |
| 16:07.34 | flawd | cahoot, I have a command like "udevinfo" installed but nothing on hotplug |
| 16:07.35 | vovo4ka | to packages base |
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| 16:07.41 | stew | lastnode: sorry, i was confused |
| 16:07.46 | lastnode | np stew |
| 16:07.49 | Azar | vovo4ka: if you have the Sarge CD installer, install it again but this time: at installation prompt type : linux2.6 |
| 16:07.54 | lastnode | stew, where can i get an unstable mirror now? |
| 16:07.59 | trenka | vovo4ka: apt-cdrom add, but it does not matter if you use apt or dpkg |
| 16:08.00 | asg | Azar: linux26 |
| 16:08.15 | Azar | ah yes sorry, like asg said: linux26 |
| 16:08.30 | vovo4ka | thanx |
| 16:08.37 | lastnode | i guess 'sid' is the standard name for every testing/unstable release? |
| 16:08.38 | vovo4ka | Azar, what prompt? |
| 16:08.57 | Knight_Lord | lastnode sid is always unstable |
| 16:08.57 | asg | lastnode: sid is never released, it just is |
| 16:09.00 | Azar | :) vovo4ka when you first put the CD in and installer starts it gives you the chance to type linux26 |
| 16:09.04 | fourat | stew, am really bloked |
| 16:09.10 | cahoot | flawd: pgrep udev - returns a pid? |
| 16:09.11 | vovo4ka | Azar, i ll see |
| 16:09.16 | kspath | !tell lastnode about sid |
| 16:09.21 | stew | lastnode: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ; but you want testing, not unstable; sid is always unstable; etch is currently testing, you want to make that symlink and install etch. they just use the same script becuase testing/unstable use the same package list |
| 16:09.25 | lastnode | right that's what i went :) |
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| 16:09.49 | lastnode | if i install sid, will i be able to apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:10.04 | Azar | dist-upgrade to.. what? |
| 16:10.06 | valdyn | lastnode: sure |
| 16:10.22 | lastnode | to etch, when it is released |
| 16:10.28 | valdyn | lastnode: no |
| 16:10.33 | Azar | lastnode: sid is the last one up the ladder |
| 16:10.39 | Azar | etch is downstairs from sid |
| 16:10.46 | lastnode | ok |
| 16:10.50 | lastnode | im using debootstrap |
| 16:10.51 | Azar | you can't go back |
| 16:10.53 | lastnode | i want to install etch |
| 16:10.55 | pengol | thankz abrotman |
| 16:11.01 | lastnode | what do i need to do |
| 16:11.09 | Azar | lastnode: from sarge you can dist-upgrade UP to etch |
| 16:11.10 | lastnode | the 'etch' script is not in my debootstrap dir |
| 16:11.23 | asg | lastnode: then debootstrap sarge and dist-upgrade it to etch |
| 16:11.25 | stew | lastnode: the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that dist-upgrade is willing to install new packages or remove packages, upgrade only upgrades packages. if you are asking questions like this you probably want to stick with testing for now |
| 16:11.30 | kspath | !tell lastnode about testing |
| 16:11.36 | stew | lastnode: ln -s sid etch |
| 16:11.42 | jair | guys I am trying to change the time on my local clock but I am trying to use -s -z for thr CDT |
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| 16:11.49 | cahoot | flawd: if you run udev - see if /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules exists |
| 16:11.50 | jair | central Daylight Time |
| 16:12.01 | lastnode | stew, how is a symlink gonna help me? |
| 16:12.10 | lastnode | nvm, ill just debootstrap sarge |
| 16:12.30 | stew | lastnode: becuase then you can debootstrap etch |
| 16:12.33 | asg | jair: use hwclock and tzconfig |
| 16:12.46 | vovo4ka | Azar, trying to install linux26 |
| 16:13.02 | kspath | jair: after that you can use ntpdate and/or ntpd |
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| 16:14.13 | jair | kspath: thanks |
| 16:14.17 | jair | asg: thanks |
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| 16:14.55 | pusling | lastnode: mirror.pusling.com is not a full debian mirror. it is just a couple of extra packages |
| 16:15.00 | lastnode | stew, i still dont understand how changing the pointer to a file is going to change the way that script operates |
| 16:15.22 | lastnode | pusling, yeah sorry i copied that from a HOWTO. i got a full mirror now |
| 16:16.01 | pusling | what howto ? |
| 16:16.28 | flawd | it does exist cahoot |
| 16:16.33 | Azar | vovo4ka: good I sure hope everything will install ok |
| 16:16.37 | vovo4ka | =) |
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| 16:17.25 | stew | lastnode: you want to issue a command like "debootstrap etch /somewhere http://somemirror.com/debian" at which point debootstrap is going to start fetching stuff from http://somemirror.com/debian/dists/etch ; if you don't have a script named "etch" it won't know what do download, if you use sid instead of etch in that command you will end up with unstable instead of testing |
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| 16:18.16 | flawd | cahoot, in that file, my camera is set to mode="0660" and group camera |
| 16:18.19 | flawd | and i am in group camera |
| 16:18.45 | Azar | vovo4ka: the Debian Sarge CD installs by default the 2.4 kernel but if you mention linux26 at the beginning of installation, will install with a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:19.07 | stew | flawd: have you logged out and back in since adding yourself to the camera group? does camera show up when you run "groups"? |
| 16:19.08 | cahoot | flawd: looks right from a formal view - no idea what goes wrongfor you |
| 16:19.36 | vovo4ka | Azar, 90% 8-) |
| 16:19.37 | cahoot | stew: the problem seems to be the perms are not set correctly by udev |
| 16:19.49 | kspath | flawd: try the id command man id |
| 16:20.06 | vovo4ka | installed |
| 16:20.11 | lastnode | stew, ok right. thanks! |
| 16:20.11 | flawd | stew been in camera group for ages so yeah i have logged in back and forth |
| 16:20.18 | flawd | kspath, |
| 16:20.20 | Azar | vovo4ka: nice, with linux26 ? |
| 16:20.45 | kspath | flawd: ignore me, if you know you are in the group than id command will not be that useful to you now. |
| 16:20.58 | vovo4ka | Azar, seems ok |
| 16:21.00 | flawd | stew yes groups shows camera scanner video and udev |
| 16:21.04 | flawd | eh |
| 16:21.06 | flawd | plugdev |
| 16:21.09 | Azar | vovo4ka: type at command line: uname -a |
| 16:21.25 | vovo4ka | Azar, now i can compile own kernel on 2.6 ? |
| 16:21.46 | vovo4ka | i want to remove some modules 8-) |
| 16:21.46 | przem | How can I check what libraries do I have installed in my system? |
| 16:21.54 | Azar | vovo4ka: type uname -a |
| 16:22.04 | tralala | bobslaede: great |
| 16:22.07 | flawd | i have noted something though |
| 16:22.18 | kspath | przem: /usr/lib is a start |
| 16:22.53 | flawd | whenever i plugin my camera, and the device pops up under /proc/bus/usb/ as a random number (003 005 007 etc), it is always owned by root root. |
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| 16:23.00 | flawd | not root camera |
| 16:23.01 | flawd | or anything |
| 16:23.06 | flawd | should it be root root? |
| 16:23.16 | vovo4ka | Azar, why? |
| 16:23.17 | przem | kspath:But is there any program to manage the libraries? |
| 16:23.25 | Azar | vovo4ka: to see what kernel you got |
| 16:23.26 | asg | przem: manage them in what way? |
| 16:23.55 | asg | przem: if you want to get rid of unused library packages, try deborphan |
| 16:23.57 | kspath | przem: libraries are part of dependencies. Therefore dpkg and apt control them indirectly. |
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| 16:24.20 | przem | asq:Check what kind of libraries are installed some info anout them |
| 16:24.29 | przem | asq:etc |
| 16:24.48 | cahoot | flawd: I just checked on my system the /proc entry is actually set to root root, still I ccan access the camera as user |
| 16:24.56 | vovo4ka | Azar, well i choose linux26 boot image |
| 16:25.02 | asg | przem: dpkg -l | grep lib |
| 16:25.15 | Azar | vovo4ka: you durna, you can't open up a terminal and type that command? |
| 16:25.33 | vovo4ka | Azar, installation... |
| 16:25.34 | przem | asq: For instance I'd like to check if I have Openegl |
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| 16:25.54 | Azar | vovo4ka: your installation is done? |
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| 16:26.03 | vovo4ka | 2.6 base |
| 16:26.07 | vovo4ka | now packages |
| 16:26.08 | vovo4ka | 8) |
| 16:26.14 | vovo4ka | but 2.6 booted ok |
| 16:26.19 | kspath | przem: Do it. |
| 16:26.32 | Azar | ok now you are set |
| 16:26.42 | Azar | what modules you say you don't want? |
| 16:26.56 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:26.58 | vovo4ka | ac97 |
| 16:27.02 | vovo4ka | audio |
| 16:27.02 | hcy | how can i record from my computer's microphone in lame or oggenc ? |
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| 16:27.05 | stew | przem: "dpkg -l | grep mesa" |
| 16:27.10 | Azar | vovo4ka: durna, you do not want sound? no music? |
| 16:27.17 | kspath | przem: man dpkg;man apt;man grep |
| 16:27.18 | vovo4ka | i want clear http host server |
| 16:27.18 | flawd | any ideas? |
| 16:27.26 | vovo4ka | =)) |
| 16:27.33 | cahoot | hcy: pipe from arecord to lame/oggenc |
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| 16:27.43 | kspath | przem: apt-cache and apt-file can be useful in some cases as well. |
| 16:27.51 | surlaw | Hi, anyone can help me with debian install plz ? message me if u have a few mins =) |
| 16:27.55 | Azar | vovo4ka: leave them alone, later you might need them |
| 16:27.58 | przem | kspath:OK I'll check ot |
| 16:27.58 | hcy | cahoot: thanks |
| 16:28.01 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:28.04 | przem | Thank you |
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| 16:28.23 | kspath | przem: dpkg -l | grep -i opengl |
| 16:28.26 | vovo4ka | Azar, and i need later PCI-SATA controller... |
| 16:28.52 | vovo4ka | in 2.4 hdparm -I told me that it is udma-2 mode 8-( |
| 16:29.04 | przem | The mesa is connected with opengl ? |
| 16:29.06 | Azar | vovo4ka: it is time for you to start reading the Debian documentation, holdon |
| 16:29.09 | cahoot | hcy: like arecord -f cd -d 3600 -D hw:0,0 | oggenc -o file.ogg |
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| 16:29.27 | cahoot | hcy: err - arecord -f cd -D hw:0,0 | oggenc -o file.ogg |
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| 16:29.38 | kspath | przem: dpkg -l | grep GL |
| 16:29.52 | shadow_debian | c puede pegar un fondo en shell |
| 16:30.04 | Azar | vovo4ka: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ << get busy with this |
| 16:30.08 | przem | Yes I've got opengl and glut |
| 16:30.17 | przem | it wprks :) |
| 16:30.20 | przem | works |
| 16:30.21 | vovo4ka | Linux hostserver 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:30.22 | vovo4ka | 8-) |
| 16:30.26 | Funkmaster | can some1 help me with lirc in debian sareg kernel 2.6 custom kernel, hauppauge pci fm with remote |
| 16:30.29 | hcy | cahoot: great, thanks |
| 16:30.31 | Azar | vovo4ka: great job |
| 16:30.34 | vovo4ka | but 686 will be better |
| 16:30.35 | vovo4ka | 8-) |
| 16:30.39 | Funkmaster | i just can't get it to work |
| 16:31.09 | przem | Thanks again |
| 16:31.09 | Azar | vovo4ka: that's how the installer have ready your system, leave it like that |
| 16:31.09 | stew | vovo4ka: you should upgrade to 2.6.8-3 anyway, you can get -686 when you do that |
| 16:31.10 | Azar | s/ready/read |
| 16:31.19 | lastnode | stew, getting an error "E: Couldn't download base-config |
| 16:31.19 | lastnode | " |
| 16:31.30 | Azar | stew: he does not have a speedy connection: dialup |
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| 16:31.52 | stew | lastnode: base-config no longer exists in testing/unstable, it shouldn't be looking for it. are you sure you are using the scripts from 0.3.3? |
| 16:31.56 | vovo4ka | stew, i ll ask about update ....later 8-) |
| 16:32.01 | lastnode | stew, yeah |
| 16:32.04 | lastnode | oh wait |
| 16:32.13 | kspath | Azar: try using nick rather than he when you can. Sometimes stew is helping 3-5 people at one time. |
| 16:32.15 | Azar | vovo4ka: read the documentation |
| 16:32.38 | Azar | kspath: ah sorry |
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| 16:33.05 | surlaw | hum i get some debootstrap error during debian install, the base install, i checked evrything possible about the downloaded iso, the bruned dvd or my memory, everything is just fine, so anyone can help with that error ? :) |
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| 16:33.34 | thefool | hi |
| 16:33.38 | thefool | anyone using CoLinux? |
| 16:33.43 | asg | not in here, no |
| 16:33.44 | stew | surlaw: you have to tell us the actual error |
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| 16:34.00 | thefool | ok. can you tell me where to find some? |
| 16:34.00 | vovo4ka | Azar, a ll do |
| 16:34.06 | asg | thefool: #colinux |
| 16:34.07 | surlaw | stew: something like it exited with error value 1 |
| 16:34.18 | thefool | no one there.. checking on quakenet then |
| 16:34.26 | surlaw | stew: i can rerun it now if u want somth more precise =) |
| 16:34.31 | asg | thefool: oftc.net may have a channel also |
| 16:34.32 | kspath | thefool: This is #debian. Search engines, mailing lists, and ML archives might be useful to you. |
| 16:34.38 | thefool | ok |
| 16:34.43 | stew | surlaw: what version are you trying to install? |
| 16:35.00 | Azar | vovo4ka: just remember: other kernels that you might want are not in the CD, only online and if your connection is slow, keep in mind they are big, you might spend a day downloading/installing |
| 16:35.13 | surlaw | stew: last one i think, debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 16:35.54 | vovo4ka | heh |
| 16:36.14 | vovo4ka | aptitude cant get packages from cd... always online 8-) |
| 16:36.17 | vovo4ka | heh |
| 16:36.39 | stew | vovo4ka: aptitude can get packages from cd, setup the cd in sources using apt-cdrom |
| 16:36.55 | stew | surlaw: there should be no such errors with that image, double check that it burned ok and that it downloaded ok |
| 16:36.58 | Azar | vovo4ka: because you are a beginner, is allways good to use aptitude to install debianized packages, to download by hand kernels and compile on your own is a bit of work for a beginner |
| 16:37.22 | vovo4ka | =) |
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| 16:37.45 | Azar | vovo4ka: the CD does not have "latest" packages, is just for base-installations |
| 16:37.53 | surlaw | stew: there is a function in debian installer menu to check that the DVD is complete, i had run it, and after a few mins it said the DVD is fine, also i burned it on 2 different DVD, i get the same error :/ |
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| 16:38.49 | vovo4ka | he he |
| 16:38.51 | tbx | hm... maybe not strictly a debian question - question regarding ImageMagick convert from cli.... doing: "convert img_8013.jpg -resize 1000 -compress JPEG -quality 70 -write img_8013.sm.jpg" gives me "convert: option requires an argument `-write'."; backing down out of options, all give same type of error. Been through http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php but nothing is standing out... |
| 16:38.57 | vovo4ka | apt-cdrom add... |
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| 16:39.00 | surlaw | stew: could it be i messed up with somth when i choose the partition to install to, coz i must say i was kinda lost during that step ^^ |
| 16:39.11 | vovo4ka | but aptitude go to security.debian.org |
| 16:39.17 | stew | surlaw: i couldn't say without knowing what error you are getting |
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| 16:39.22 | vovo4ka | i just want mysql 8-)) |
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| 16:39.52 | Azar | vovo4ka: aptitude has a better dependency solving over apt-get. Is mostly recommended when you install kernels. |
| 16:39.58 | nekron- | i installed the NVIDIA driver.. all ok, i used the nvidia-xconfig to configure xorg.conf |
| 16:40.00 | surlaw | stew: im running the install again , ill tell you the exact error |
| 16:40.11 | vovo4ka | Azar, kernel is ok now 8-) |
| 16:40.14 | nekron- | and when i go start x show an error |
| 16:40.24 | vovo4ka | Azar, now i want to install pkgs from cdrom 8-) |
| 16:40.24 | Funkmaster | can some1 help me with lirc in debian sarge kernel 2.6 custom kernel, hauppauge pci fm with remote, do need to recompile the kernel again? anyhow even when i try and add my custom kernels src it says that's not it... some1 know what to do about it, how to get to work or where i can find more help? |
| 16:40.27 | nekron- | Resources Conflicts Detected |
| 16:40.28 | asg | nekron-: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:40.40 | vovo4ka | Azar, aptitude want from online |
| 16:40.41 | valdyn | !lirc |
| 16:40.41 | dpkg | well, lirc is Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/, or now at http://www.lirc.org |
| 16:40.42 | Azar | nekron-: is not recommended to download/install the nVidia driver, rather use the debian way of installing it |
| 16:40.54 | Azar | vovo4ka: yes, aptitude is for online |
| 16:40.59 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:41.07 | surlaw | stew: The debootstrap program exited with an error(return value 1) /n Check /var/log/messages or virtual console 3 for details |
| 16:41.12 | surlaw | does it speak to you ? :p |
| 16:41.15 | Azar | vovo4ka: read about cdrom on the documentation link I gave you |
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| 16:41.31 | stew | surlaw: hit alt-f3 and see the details |
| 16:41.42 | vovo4ka | Azar, i use apt-get 8-) |
| 16:41.44 | vovo4ka | now |
| 16:41.50 | Azar | vovo4ka: ok |
| 16:41.54 | valdyn | Funkmaster: tried 'm-a prepare && m-a a-i lirc' yet ? |
| 16:41.56 | Funkmaster | valdyn: yes i have checked on the site already manytimes, but it does offer much help |
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| 16:42.10 | vovo4ka | cdrom |
| 16:42.12 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 16:42.23 | Funkmaster | valdyn: no what does it do? |
| 16:42.38 | stew | i think its lirc-moduels |
| 16:42.56 | valdyn | stew: yea, but m-a knows to autocomplete iirc |
| 16:43.00 | stew | ahh |
| 16:43.01 | stew | !m-a Funkmaster lirc-modules |
| 16:43.02 | dpkg | Funkmaster: to compile and install lirc-modules for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i lirc-modules && modprobe lirc-modules ; if this works echo lirc-modules >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 16:43.07 | surlaw | stew: tar: ./user/share/man/man3/locale::gettext.3pm.gz: Invalid argument |
| 16:43.11 | surlaw | its the last line i get |
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| 16:43.17 | Funkmaster | it's just that during the setup it does not accept my custom kernel, cuz i has to recompile, but actually i read on a forum that with kernel 2.6 it doe snot need it anymore, nbut i don't know what's right |
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| 16:43.46 | Funkmaster | hm ok will try |
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| 16:44.26 | stew | Funkmaster: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:44.44 | Funkmaster | 2.6.16 |
| 16:44.46 | surlaw | stew: i get some " No mathcing physical volumes found " too in the middle |
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| 16:44.53 | valdyn | stew: maybe lirc doesnt even support 2.6, i know there was some infrared issue like that |
| 16:45.13 | surlaw | stew : "No volume groups found" too |
| 16:45.26 | stew | surlaw: did you attempt to install to lvm? |
| 16:45.31 | Arkhangel | Got a nOOb Question |
| 16:45.36 | Funkmaster | hmm the apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i lirc-modules && modprobe lirc-modules failed :/ |
| 16:45.39 | surlaw | stew: lvm ? |
| 16:45.48 | stew | surlaw: that's a no :) |
| 16:45.55 | valdyn | Funkmaster: which debian release, which version is that lirc-modules-source package, 2.6 compatibility was only added just recently.. |
| 16:45.55 | asg | hehe |
| 16:45.57 | marsu_ | hi... could someone help me to remove a package without apt-get ? when I type apt-get remove bootsplash, I get in error 10 in the prerm script... I also tried force options with dpkg, but it still doesn't work :/ |
| 16:46.04 | surlaw | stew: im kinda new to linux ^^ |
| 16:46.30 | valdyn | Funkmaster: err, i mislooked, still tell us the version |
| 16:46.36 | stew | surlaw: i don't think the volume group / physical volume stuff is related then |
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| 16:46.57 | Arkhangel | Quick question, Minimun Hard Drive Size for a typical Debian install? |
| 16:47.24 | asg | Arkhangel: 2G should be enough for most 'typical' installs |
| 16:47.37 | valdyn | Arkhangel: there's no typical debian install |
| 16:47.38 | Funkmaster | valdyn: debian sarge, the lirc-module-source, should be newest, just got it from lirc site |
| 16:47.39 | asg | Arkhangel: 120M or so for a very barebones system |
| 16:47.39 | stew | Arkhangel: /msg dpkg ig ; there is a required hardware section |
| 16:47.49 | Azar | Arkhangel: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ch-ptipd.en.html |
| 16:47.53 | valdyn | Funkmaster: now that isnt what m-a would use |
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| 16:48.29 | Funkmaster | o.7.1pre2 |
| 16:48.33 | surlaw | stew: ok :/ and does the last line with the "tar: ..." thingy tell you somth ? |
| 16:48.34 | valdyn | Funkmaster: the last lirc release happened at 21-Jan-2006, you probably woudnt want to use a 2.6 kernel newer than that |
| 16:48.38 | Funkmaster | that's the one i have |
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| 16:49.14 | valdyn | Funkmaster: or make sure that that release is supposed to work on 2.6.16 |
| 16:49.25 | Funkmaster | hm i have a custom kernel... |
| 16:49.38 | Funkmaster | valdyn: i guess that info should be on the lirc page? |
| 16:49.43 | stew | surlaw: sorry, i'm not sure, and i dont' see anything about that error in the bts |
| 16:50.12 | Arkhangel | thanx |
| 16:50.12 | surlaw | stew: ok thx a lot for your time and effort anyway =) |
| 16:50.20 | valdyn | Funkmaster: probably in their mailing list archive |
| 16:50.30 | Funkmaster | ok will try to find it |
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| 16:50.50 | backz | in default debian cd, it comes with grub or lilo? |
| 16:51.21 | Azar | backz: sarge comes with grub, woody comes with lilo |
| 16:51.25 | stew | backz: yeah, both |
| 16:51.26 | Funkmaster | dorn, doesn't open the mailing list |
| 16:51.28 | surlaw | stew: one last thing, how do i quit the command line screen and return to debian install menu ? :p |
| 16:51.35 | backz | Azar, how I use it to boot on /dev/sda1 ? I loose my grub on MBR! |
| 16:51.38 | asg | surlaw: ALT+F1 |
| 16:51.41 | stew | backz: the default is to use grub, but it comes with both |
| 16:51.46 | surlaw | stew: thx ^^ |
| 16:52.05 | stew | backz: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 16:52.07 | Azar | backz: I never used grub sorry I do not know how it behaves |
| 16:52.19 | valdyn | Funkmaster: why don't you use a debian kernel anyway? |
| 16:52.35 | Rockj | what program is good for making network profiles for your wlan's and network's ? |
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| 16:53.15 | Funkmaster | valdyn, had problem with my soundevices and usb2.0 pci card, had to recompile own kernel |
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| 16:53.27 | interferon | how can i figure out what version of a package i have installed? |
| 16:53.38 | valdyn | interferon: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 16:53.42 | stew | !wikifaq interferon PackageManagement |
| 16:53.42 | dpkg | interferon: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:53.42 | interferon | valdyn, thanks |
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| 16:55.57 | backz | where is my /dev/sda1 on debian cd install ? |
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| 16:56.06 | valdyn | Rockj: profiles like what? just remember correct keys for specific APs? |
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| 16:56.25 | valdyn | Rockj: should it be kde / gnome / shell / whatever ? |
| 16:56.25 | nekron-- | deb ftp://ftp.pucpr.br/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 16:56.30 | nekron-- | is this correct? |
| 16:56.38 | jair | guys how can I useradd to specify a uid for specific new user? |
| 16:56.42 | nekron-- | i need download a package non free |
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| 16:56.58 | valdyn | jair: why would you do that? |
| 16:57.02 | Azar | nekron--: some sources do not recognize "etch" try "testing" instead if etch does not work |
| 16:57.09 | stew | nekron--: yes |
| 16:57.11 | kspath | jair: man useradd |
| 16:57.17 | Rockj | valdyn: yeah, and would be nice to have it support to make profiles for normal lan too. As here at my appertment I use dhcp while on another place I use static on lan. gnome or shell. |
| 16:57.24 | jair | valdyn: because I want to keep the same id for the user in all the systems I have in place |
| 16:57.36 | nekron-- | testing main contrib non-free Azar? |
| 16:57.37 | Rockj | appartment |
| 16:57.43 | dutche- | jair, useradd --help |
| 16:57.52 | jair | kspath: if I am asking is because I already tried the man page master :) |
| 16:57.53 | Azar | nekron--: yes, only if the "etch" stanza will not work |
| 16:58.01 | jair | c'mon |
| 16:58.07 | valdyn | jair: man adduser |
| 16:58.13 | jair | haha |
| 16:58.15 | valdyn | jair: that is the preferred tool on debian anuyway |
| 16:58.20 | jair | ok |
| 16:58.37 | jair | valdyn: i am using redhat enterprise and I am using the one call useradd |
| 16:58.38 | kspath | jair: from the manpage , -u uid The numerical value of the user’s ID. This value must be unique, unless the -o option is used. The value must be non-negative. |
| 16:59.09 | jair | kspath: I ca do this: useradd -u 262 user? |
| 16:59.19 | kspath | jair: Did you try it? |
| 16:59.20 | valdyn | and should probably be >=1000 |
| 16:59.35 | stew | nekron--: your line is correct you don't need to change anything |
| 16:59.39 | kspath | jair: You need to do basic research. |
| 16:59.48 | kspath | !tell jair about grounding |
| 17:00.12 | valdyn | jair: you should give common users ids <1000 on debian |
| 17:00.17 | valdyn | jair: you should NOT give common users ids <1000 on debian |
| 17:00.22 | asg | was about to say |
| 17:00.26 | jair | kspath: yep and I got a message: unknown gid |
| 17:00.27 | stew | he's not on debian |
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| 17:00.46 | valdyn | im not going to give rhel answers here ) |
| 17:00.52 | stew | jair: go to #redhat |
| 17:00.53 | jair | stew: right |
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| 17:01.46 | jair | that people knows less than linux than us here is #debian, I think that generally people in #debian knows more about "Linux" that guis trying to be Linux |
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| 17:02.06 | interferon | is that a sentence? |
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| 17:02.06 | stew | jair: you are asking about a utility that doesn't exist in debian |
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| 17:02.35 | valdyn | useradd doesnt exist in debian? or debian's useradd differs from redhat's ? |
| 17:02.35 | asg | stew: both useradd and adduser exist in debian |
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| 17:03.09 | stew | the useradd in redhat differs greatly from the userad in debian its closer to what adduser does in debian |
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| 17:04.49 | jair | stew: right |
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| 17:05.11 | eeyore- | oh, just edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group :-) |
| 17:05.13 | jair | valdyn: stew kspath thank you guys I will do some research in goodle |
| 17:05.15 | jair | goodle |
| 17:05.19 | jair | haha google |
| 17:05.26 | surlaw | stew: can i pm you ? =) i read the debian documentation again about partitioning, but im still not sure about what im doing at that step, and i think it could cause the error i told you before :/ |
| 17:05.39 | jair | eeyore-: nice trik |
| 17:05.40 | stew | surlaw: please just keep it here |
| 17:05.45 | jair | eeyore-: but it should be a way |
| 17:05.51 | asg | jair: vipw vigr |
| 17:05.56 | kspath | jair: The main problem is that you are not reading enough basic tutorials and man pages and newbiedocs and howtos. There are many "standards" for usernames, uids, gids, ... |
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| 17:06.02 | eeyore- | it's not that hard to edit those files, come on ... |
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| 17:06.46 | eeyore- | just keep some rules in mind. no usernames longer than 8 characters. keep uid:gid sane, don't clobber existing ones, set the right shell, set the password in /etc/shadow, that's about it |
| 17:07.03 | jair | kspath: I am reading but not understand it yet |
| 17:07.07 | surlaw | stew: ok so i have a 80go HDD only, the first partition is 60go and got XP running, the second 40go partition is for debian, when i select that partition in debian install i have to select the file system so i choose fat32 right ? then the mount point, im not sure xhat to choose here... |
| 17:07.21 | jair | because I am trying and it is not acceping it so I am missing something |
| 17:07.36 | surlaw | stew: its 40go / 20go, not 60/40 |
| 17:07.59 | nekron-- | i cannot download the |
| 17:07.59 | pitillo | xD |
| 17:08.07 | nekron-- | nvidia-kernel-source |
| 17:08.10 | stew | surlaw: no you cannot install debian to fat32, choose ext3 |
| 17:08.15 | nekron-- | in aptitude search i found it |
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| 17:08.22 | nekron-- | but i can't install.. why? |
| 17:08.29 | stew | surlaw: and for mount point choose "/" |
| 17:08.55 | pitillo | surlaw, remeber to save a little partition for swap |
| 17:08.59 | Azar | nekron--: why do you need it? |
| 17:09.00 | surlaw | stew : ahah that may be why, i read evrywhere linux was fat32... damn =) goint to try =) |
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| 17:09.43 | edrin | "This is especially interesting concerning former results..." is this good english? |
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| 17:09.58 | nekron-- | Azar: in dpkg |
| 17:10.01 | stew | surlaw: fat32 is more like windows95, its not suitable for debian becuase it doesn't have the concept of filesystem permissions/ ownership |
| 17:10.14 | Azar | nekron--: are you trying to install the nvidia driver? |
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| 17:10.23 | nekron-- | Azar: dpkg send me a msg to install the driver |
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| 17:10.33 | nekron-- | any packages that i have install |
| 17:10.51 | Azar | nekron--: there is no such as "download" everything is : aptitude (or apt-get) install |
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| 17:11.11 | Azar | nekron--: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:11.31 | surlaw | stew: i just made a search in debian install documentation about ext3; nowhere they talk about it :/ well the install seems to work fine now :) thx a lot :p |
| 17:11.47 | nekron-- | Azar: so, i copy the line and do |
| 17:12.05 | nekron-- | i add the non free |
| 17:12.07 | Azar | nekron--: you copy only the command line dpkg suggests you |
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| 17:12.23 | nekron-- | aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:12.33 | Azar | nekron--: is a good practice to make sure you are running the kernel you want before installing nvidia driver |
| 17:13.16 | Azar | nekron--: if you are using xorg, yes, if you are using xfree86 use xfree86 in that line |
| 17:13.25 | nekron-- | i use xorg |
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| 17:13.33 | Azar | ok then use that line |
| 17:13.37 | nekron-- | but shows a message that could not do download |
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| 17:13.45 | nekron-- | nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 17:13.55 | nekron-- | *source |
| 17:13.59 | Azar | nekron--: what kernel are you using? |
| 17:14.11 | muttix | mke2fs -j = ext3... i totally forgot the one for a fat partitione.. could someone refresh my memmory ? |
| 17:14.25 | nekron-- | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 17:14.55 | Azar | nekron--: search for it: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 17:15.15 | asg | muttix: mkfs.vfat or mkfs -t fat |
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| 17:15.15 | nekron-- | nothing |
| 17:15.31 | exobyte | In a bash script, this isn't working as expected: if [ ! mount | grep -q "/mnt/bar" ] .... (actually, it doesn't work). I want the ! to work on the expression, not mount |
| 17:15.33 | Azar | nekron--: if you are in etch, with a 2.6.15 kernel the "kernel" stanza in search have been replaced with "linux" |
| 17:16.07 | muttix | asg, thank mate :) |
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| 17:17.02 | nekron-- | Azar: don't exist nvidia-linux |
| 17:17.09 | nekron-- | what i do? |
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| 17:17.43 | StereoSkit | dudesm i've just upgraded from stable to testing and i get an error with the package "x11-common" (trying to write /etc/X11/Xsession wich is also in the package xfree86-common, process terminated (broken pipe), Any Pointer on how to fix this? (i guess is i reboot my box it wont work) |
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| 17:18.16 | nekron-- | this package? nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 17:18.16 | asg | exobyte: use $(mount | grep -q "/mnt/bar") |
| 17:18.16 | SJS | !simple sid backport |
| 17:18.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 17:18.17 | backz | how I mount a device setting the root user? I'm the root on live-cd, but when I try to mount /dev/sda1 on mnt, I can't use ls with some files... |
| 17:18.19 | Azar | nekron--: I guess so |
| 17:18.21 | StereoSkit | !stable to testing |
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| 17:18.35 | exobyte | asg: I also tried that, but it wasn't working right |
| 17:19.02 | StereoSkit | dudes, anyone with experience on migratin from stable to testing |
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| 17:19.14 | Ronin | StereoSkit: many |
| 17:19.37 | kspath | !tell StereoSkit about dist-upgrade |
| 17:19.55 | StereoSkit | i could use a pointer on the problem described above |
| 17:20.06 | StereoSkit | x11-common problems from stable to testing |
| 17:20.07 | Azar | what would be the "nvidia-cg-toolkit" installer? |
| 17:20.12 | exobyte | asg: weird- removing the -q makes bash think there's an error in the script |
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| 17:20.22 | backz | How I mount a device setting the root user? |
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| 17:20.50 | stew | StereoSkit: tell us the exact error you are getting |
| 17:20.52 | asg | exobyte: yes |
| 17:21.03 | exobyte | asg: oh, it expands the output |
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| 17:22.20 | exobyte | asg: ahhh- what I want the script to do is use the return value of grep, not the stdout stuff |
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| 17:22.42 | asg | exobyte: then use x=$(mount | grep ...) and eval the $x |
| 17:23.05 | doubletwist | Anyone here use backuppc? I'm having a problem with it. |
| 17:23.08 | Azar | 99% [Connecting to ftp.freenet.de (194.97.2.68)] [Waiting for headers] << my aptitude update stopped ? |
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| 17:23.29 | doubletwist | It seems to be ignoring whatever I put in $Conf{BackupFilesExclude} |
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| 17:23.42 | exobyte | asg: I probably shouldn't complain, bash is a shell, but sometimes the syntax is weird- like the dependency on spaces |
| 17:23.47 | doubletwist | or rather "not" ignoring them is really the problem :) |
| 17:23.56 | StereoSkit | stew: ok, a sec please |
| 17:23.59 | kspath | !tell StereoSkit about paste |
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| 17:25.20 | exobyte | asg: that does the same thing- x is assigned the blank output |
| 17:25.33 | martin__ | Hi guys. This might sound like a stupid question but here goes... why isn't VLC included in the Etch repos? If I change the repo to Sid I can install VLC and it works flawlessly |
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| 17:26.05 | stew | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:26.06 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 17:26.22 | kastberg | ha, nice bot :) |
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| 17:26.31 | asg | exobyte: sorry, test $? after running it. It should be 1 or 0 |
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| 17:26.39 | nekron- | Azar: i don't know more what i do :( |
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| 17:26.53 | martin__ | Thanks. I get it :D |
| 17:26.54 | kspath | kastberg: People told that bot what to say. Nice people like stew feeding the bot useful information. |
| 17:26.55 | Azar | nekron-: explain yourself clearly |
| 17:27.12 | exobyte | asg: getting closer, but now if [ ! $? ] seems to be smoking some really good shit |
| 17:27.27 | kastberg | heh, well, it must clearly cut down the tedious typing atleast :) |
| 17:27.42 | nekron- | whay i can't download that package? nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 17:27.56 | kspath | kastberg: That is the point and consistency. |
| 17:28.04 | kspath | kastberg: human memory is not perfect. |
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| 17:28.39 | Azar | nekron-: things are changing silently in the background, stuff that used to work are being replaced and we find ourselves scrambling for what is going on |
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| 17:29.06 | Azar | .. like my update/upgrade to my fav server stalls right now and heck if I have idea what is going on |
| 17:29.15 | StereoSkit | stew: unpacking x11-common ... , dpkg: error while processing /path/to/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_all.deb (--unpack), trying to rewrite `/etc/X11/Xsession' which also is in xfree86-common, dpkg-deb: subprocess terminated (broken pipe). |
| 17:29.26 | StereoSkit | i hope the translation is correct |
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| 17:30.31 | kspath | StereoSkit: You have/had Sarge/Stable but dist-upgrading to Etch/Testing ? |
| 17:30.55 | stew | !x11-common conflict |
| 17:30.55 | dpkg | from memory, x11-common conflict is if you get an error about conflicting files in xfree86-common and x11-common, run "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common" |
| 17:31.07 | StereoSkit | kspath: exactly |
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| 17:31.41 | jonas21 | does anyone know offhand where the mouse cursors are for xorg7 |
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| 17:32.22 | stew | jonas21: /etc/X11/cursors, in the xcursor-themes package |
| 17:32.40 | jonas21 | ahh, i didn't even have that package |
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| 17:33.16 | jonas21 | so should i install cursors there too? |
| 17:33.18 | jonas21 | seems like a bad place |
| 17:33.33 | stew | jonas21: no actually they go in /usr/share/icons, that is just where the the themes are setup |
| 17:33.35 | StereoSkit | that would be `apt-get install xfree86-common-x11-common`? because it cant be found and if i `apt-get install xfree86-common x11-common` i will have the same error posted before /o\ |
| 17:33.52 | jonas21 | stew, ahh, tyty |
| 17:34.08 | stew | StereoSkit: no, reread what dpkg said, it doesn't say to install xfree86-common |
| 17:34.27 | stew | StereoSkit: its "xfree86-common- x11-common" |
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| 17:34.37 | StereoSkit | Oops |
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| 17:36.00 | nekron- | someone has a nvidia pci card? |
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| 17:36.15 | stew | StereoSkit: actually what version of xfree86-common do you have? you probably still have the woody version |
| 17:36.28 | StereoSkit | stew: thanks a lot, it seems ok now, is there a way to get a list of ansers dpkg has? (just to read them before asking) |
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| 17:36.49 | abrotman | !tell StereoSkit about your factoids |
| 17:36.57 | exobyte | asg: still there? |
| 17:36.59 | stew | StereoSkit: /msg dpkg help ; /msg dpkg listkeys foo ; /msg dpkg listvalues foo ; or i have a web searchable database of the factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 17:37.04 | StereoSkit | xfree86-common 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 17:37.25 | StereoSkit | cool, tnx |
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| 17:38.07 | backz | if I'm on a live-cd, logged as root, and try to mount a reiserfs partition, will I be the 'root' on this mounted partition? |
| 17:38.22 | stew | backz: yes |
| 17:38.46 | backz | stew, but I'm not! |
| 17:38.51 | abrotman | does he mean / or root user ? |
| 17:38.51 | kspath | backz: Do you have a debian question? |
| 17:39.13 | r_marvin | backz: you probably want to chroot to it, too |
| 17:39.14 | backz | stew, I can't acess some files or folders like /root |
| 17:39.14 | stew | backz: type "id" does it say uid=0? |
| 17:39.29 | stew | backz: wait, are you asking about "root" the user? |
| 17:39.30 | abrotman | he didn't say if he wants ot be uid0 or / |
| 17:39.33 | stew | yeah |
| 17:39.36 | abrotman | and .. debian has no livecd |
| 17:39.37 | backz | yeh, I'm id=0 on livecd! |
| 17:39.50 | stew | backz: and where do you have the partition mounted? |
| 17:39.54 | backz | I'm using some livecd to access my DEBIAN instaled on this partition |
| 17:40.03 | backz | I've monted it on /mnt of this livecd |
| 17:40.12 | stew | backz: then you are looking for /mnt/root |
| 17:40.14 | exobyte | in bash, q is either 1 or 0. if [ $q ] always resolves to the same thing |
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| 17:40.22 | nekron- | Azar: i just don't understand why i cant download that package? |
| 17:40.33 | backz | I need to repair my grub, but I can't access root commands on this partition |
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| 17:40.58 | kspath | backz: "root commands" ? |
| 17:41.12 | stew | backz: mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc ; chroot /mnt ; then you will be in your root partition and you can run update-grub or grub-install |
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| 17:41.53 | itc | hey, I got some .img files, I mean some drivers for my raid controler, is any way to use it in debian ? |
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| 17:42.49 | backz | stew, ok, I'll try |
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| 17:43.15 | asg | exobyte: try using grep -c instead of grep -q |
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| 17:45.06 | avan | hi all |
| 17:45.25 | backz | stew, look: ls /: opt: Permission denied. |
| 17:45.27 | avan | how can i set and get user's quota on debian? |
| 17:45.37 | backz | initrd: Permission denied |
| 17:45.46 | backz | id is 0 |
| 17:45.53 | kspath | backz: mounted ro or rw ? |
| 17:46.00 | exobyte | asg: when I echo $?, it's right (I remembered to remove $?) |
| 17:46.08 | exobyte | asg: errrrr.... echo |
| 17:46.19 | asg | exobyte: if [ ! $(mount|grep -c "/sys") -eq 1 ] ; then echo foo ; fi |
| 17:46.26 | kspath | backz: Are you trying to alter something on CD rather than HD? |
| 17:46.53 | exobyte | asg: isn't that sorta like a hack? |
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| 17:47.26 | r4iden | hallo |
| 17:47.32 | kspath | exobyte: What is a "hack"? Something that works? |
| 17:47.35 | asg | exobyte: yes, #bash may have something more elegant |
| 17:47.48 | grendal_prime | anyone do mpeg editing with kino? |
| 17:47.52 | stew | backz: what command were you running when you got initrd: Permission denied? |
| 17:47.58 | grendal_prime | i cant get that program to do shit |
| 17:48.06 | avan | how can i get and set user's disk quota on debian? |
| 17:48.10 | backz | kspath, no! I'm trying to get files on a HD with debian using a livecd... backups! I loose my system... I need get these files |
| 17:48.13 | r4iden | I have a problem building a debian-package because the program stores absolute paths during configure |
| 17:48.25 | exobyte | asg: I'm just trying to figure out when when x is either 1 or 0, if [ $x ] doesn't change with $x |
| 17:48.25 | asg | avan: /msg dpkg quota |
| 17:48.37 | backz | stew, ls on / |
| 17:48.40 | Foxure | how do i mount a dir (/home/user) in another dir on same partion (ex /exempel/dir) so i can acces the directrory user in from /exempel/dir? the dir is on /dev/hda1 |
| 17:49.05 | meff | anyoen know a good way (other than mounting/copying) to test the readability of optical media? i used to use readcd but it doesnt work correctly with dvd(+/-)rw's .. |
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| 17:49.10 | stew | backz: had you run the "chroot /mnt" command? |
| 17:49.14 | asg | exobyte: probably because its evaluating it as a string and not an integer boolean, though I'm not sure. |
| 17:49.19 | backz | stew, yes! |
| 17:49.21 | exobyte | asg: ahh... |
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| 17:49.34 | exobyte | asg: maybe |
| 17:49.51 | asg | exobyte: my bash-fu is very rusty these days |
| 17:49.56 | backz | stew, when I run chroot /mnt, the first msg is: Error... /root/.bashrc: Permission denied |
| 17:50.05 | avan | but on the server isnt any quota managing software and i cant upload more than 200 mb |
| 17:50.08 | avan | why is that? |
| 17:50.18 | asg | avan: how are you uploading? |
| 17:50.18 | avan | with sftp |
| 17:50.24 | ^zeon^ | guys, how do i install a RPM package on debian ? |
| 17:50.29 | exobyte | asg: I personally wish OSes were strongly typed, so this is kinda awkward for me |
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| 17:50.30 | noviac | Foxure: you cannot mount same drive twice. You will have to symlink it. ln -s /directory/to/symlink /where/to/put/it |
| 17:50.41 | kspath | ^zeon^: Did you look at alien? |
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| 17:50.55 | asg | ^zeon^: try not to, rpms can really bugger your system |
| 17:50.56 | ^zeon^ | kspath: alien never worked for me :( |
| 17:50.58 | exobyte | asg: [ $? -eq 0 ] works |
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| 17:51.05 | hejux | http://enivest.net/~ingrid.bjorkum/files/Screenshot-22-09-2005.png amazing!!!! |
| 17:51.14 | stew | backz: exit from the chroot; what is the output of "mount | grep mnt" ? |
| 17:51.14 | asg | exobyte: yes |
| 17:51.18 | hejux | beautiful fluxbox |
| 17:51.24 | ^zeon^ | asg: then how do i install the official JDK.. cuz they release that only in rpm format :S |
| 17:51.26 | kspath | ^zeon^: There are ZERO promises when trying to use RPMs with debian systems. That is why debian has .deb |
| 17:51.27 | exobyte | asg: so, string problem |
| 17:51.32 | asg | ^zeon^: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 17:51.36 | exobyte | asg: thank you |
| 17:51.43 | asg | ^zeon^: they release it as a tarball that java-package can create a deb out of |
| 17:51.46 | asg | exobyte: you're welcome |
| 17:51.52 | avan | asg: im uploading things with sftp program |
| 17:52.03 | ^zeon^ | ok |
| 17:52.48 | backz | stew, sorry, I'm restarting the livecd... |
| 17:52.54 | asg | avan: are you sure there isn't a quota in place? Does the filesystem you are uploading to have more than 200M free? |
| 17:53.02 | Foxure | noviac: i have done it.. but it wont work to mount a dir. i read on a site of configure apache in chroot.. its saw its was possiblu |
| 17:53.12 | avan | yes it has more its sure |
| 17:53.52 | avan | how can i check if there is quota software? |
| 17:54.07 | Foxure | noviac: symlink doesnt. work in chroot |
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| 17:54.58 | noviac | Foxure: No, that's true. unless u got the necesserly libs for it. But. If running in a chrooted environment, you'll have to make copies of everything. |
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| 17:55.29 | noviac | Foxure: what 'exactly' is your problem? |
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| 17:55.34 | asg | avan: /usr/bin/quota (on the server) |
| 17:55.49 | caue | FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory |
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| 17:56.18 | Foxure | Noviac.. okey.. i just wonder if i can mount the /home dir in apache jail root.. so www.example.com/~user still work |
| 17:56.35 | axolx | does anyone know if and when VIM7 will be included in Etch? |
| 17:56.37 | avan | asg: there isnt |
| 17:56.57 | tarzeau | axolx: is it in sid? |
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| 17:57.20 | asg | avan: then I don't know. You might check the logs on the server to see if there is some problem. Also, can you copy the file with scp? |
| 17:57.20 | stew | axolx: it will. there is no way to say when except that it will be at least 3 days after it hits sid, and maybe much longer |
| 17:57.28 | noviac | Yes, that should be possible. But something tells me that in that case, you're not really chrooting. |
| 17:57.32 | avan | yes with winscp |
| 17:57.44 | noviac | Foxure: Yes, that should be possible. But something tells me that in that case, you're not really chrooting. |
| 17:57.50 | seb- | is etch name of CURRENT testing distro? |
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| 17:57.59 | noviac | Foxure: A real chroot environment would have its home dirs within the chroot. |
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| 17:58.01 | tarzeau | seb-: yes |
| 17:58.02 | stew | seb-: yes |
| 17:58.12 | avan | but there isnt any prog like useradd or somethign with default install which i can manage this problem? |
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| 17:58.24 | kspath | avan: apt-cache search quota |
| 17:58.31 | axolx | tarzeau: oops. not even in sid yet :( |
| 17:58.37 | Foxure | noviac: okey.. maybes its best to just move the home dir ? |
| 17:58.38 | rikva | Can someone tell me why Debian Sarge restarts Apache2 every week? |
| 17:58.47 | tarzeau | axolx: is it released? |
| 17:58.55 | stew | rikva: it restarts when it rotates the logs |
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| 17:59.04 | noviac | Foxure: I think that's the best yes. Having diffrent home directories for diffent users.. Then you get it chrooted correctly. |
| 17:59.05 | avan | asg: its listing lot of things |
| 17:59.07 | stew | rikva: /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 |
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| 17:59.17 | rikva | stew: Thank you very much |
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| 17:59.30 | srounet | hello |
| 17:59.35 | srounet | i am wondering about cmd 'cd ~something' how it works |
| 17:59.40 | noviac | Foxure: i mean, /home for shell-users and /usr/share/jail/home/users for apache-users. |
| 17:59.45 | axolx | tarzeau: yes. it's stable per the vim website |
| 17:59.46 | tarzeau | srounet: you mean ~/something ? |
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| 17:59.57 | srounet | no |
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| 18:00.03 | tarzeau | axolx: what about asking the maintainer? wishlist bug? |
| 18:00.07 | srounet | cd ~something |
| 18:00.18 | srounet | chdir (real_path/something) |
| 18:00.23 | srounet | how it works |
| 18:00.42 | stew | axolx: tarzeau there are already bugs filed about vim7 packages are being worked on by the vim team at debconf, they should hit sid soon |
| 18:00.46 | asg | srounet: it depends on your shell. |
| 18:00.47 | Foxure | noviac would it work to do a symlink from /jail/home to /home/ then?.. so every program still work? |
| 18:00.51 | srounet | cd ~marcha_i |
| 18:00.54 | kspath | axolx: debian mailing list archives searchs for vim7 ? |
| 18:01.00 | srounet | /nfs/s9/space/users/ept2/marcha_ |
| 18:01.02 | tarzeau | stew: i don't care |
| 18:01.05 | tarzeau | stew: vim is crap |
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| 18:01.14 | axolx | tarzeau: vim is so widely used, that im sure it will run through the debian works relatively fast. i was wondering if anyone had any info on the status |
| 18:01.15 | srounet | how it works |
| 18:01.17 | asg | srounet: if cd ~something == cd /home/<user>/something, your shell is doing something intelligent. |
| 18:01.21 | srounet | i have to recode the comand |
| 18:01.26 | Azar | aw not nice |
| 18:01.26 | tarzeau | axolx: you must be on drugs |
| 18:01.39 | srounet | it depend |
| 18:01.42 | avan | i must go now, thanks anyway ill be back. bye |
| 18:01.43 | Dild | tarzeau : What kind of drugs? |
| 18:01.44 | srounet | sometime it will be |
| 18:01.46 | noviac | Foxure. No, you won't reach the /home within chrooted environment. And again, chrooting an environment and then let people get into your non-chrooted environment? Pointless if you ask me. |
| 18:01.51 | tarzeau | Dild: no idea, certainly not good ones |
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| 18:01.56 | srounet | ./nfs/s9/space/users/ept2/marcha_ |
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| 18:02.07 | srounet | ./nfs/s3/space/users/ |
| 18:02.09 | srounet | it depend |
| 18:02.16 | srounet | i don t know how it works |
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| 18:02.18 | axolx | tarzeau. haha no vim bashing here |
| 18:02.30 | Dild | axolx : Would you reveal what kinda drugs you're doing? |
| 18:02.34 | asg | !start an editor war |
| 18:02.35 | dpkg | emacs blows |
| 18:02.43 | Dild | !kill dpkg |
| 18:02.50 | Azar | tarzeau Mystic Towers and a range of old dos games made back in 1980's were never re-programmend for modern today's computers... |
| 18:02.53 | Foxure | noviac. i mean, when i go to /home/ it will be a symlink to the /jail/home/.. its only apache i want do be run chroted.. |
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| 18:03.00 | r4iden | I have a problem building a debian-package because the program stores absolute paths during configure |
| 18:03.08 | tarzeau | Azar: do you have them still? i can check them in dosbox... |
| 18:03.18 | tarzeau | Azar: i want to find the mr.boom bomberman graphics/sounds so badly |
| 18:03.20 | noviac | Foxure: Yes, that would work. |
| 18:03.26 | Azar | tarzeau: they run only on the old DX systems.... slow cpu's |
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| 18:03.48 | Foxure | noviac.. ok.. then i do so.=).. thank you very much |
| 18:03.51 | tarzeau | Azar: can you write a text how the games are with screenshots/photos? |
| 18:04.02 | tarzeau | Azar: i've found one fun game pipesomething on happypenguin.org today |
| 18:04.03 | noviac | Foxture: np, glad i could help. |
| 18:04.06 | Azar | if I would try to run Mystic Towers on my actual PC on dos, will run too fast |
| 18:04.25 | Azar | tarzeau: for sure will only run on sid... |
| 18:04.31 | Dild | Azar : I have an old XT you might buy expensively. |
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| 18:04.51 | Azar | Dild: I still have the old DX, my dad keeps it :) |
| 18:04.54 | noviac | Azar, there is a program named 'Snail', which will slower or cpu down. I used it some time ago. |
| 18:05.08 | Azar | noviac: thanks I will try that |
| 18:05.13 | noviac | Azar, guess there are better programs out these days to play old dos games. |
| 18:05.13 | kspath | Azar: dosbox - A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA graphics, sound and DOS ? |
| 18:05.15 | tarzeau | Azar: once it's in sid and no moron files rc bugs against it, i'll move to testing within 10 days |
| 18:05.16 | Dild | Azar : Problem SOLVED. :-) |
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| 18:05.19 | noviac | Azar, but snail is what i used. |
| 18:05.35 | Azar | kspath: x86 too new, I need 486 |
| 18:05.37 | tarzeau | noviac: like what better ways than run it on real old hardware? |
| 18:05.46 | Azar | err I am dumb n/m |
| 18:05.47 | Dild | tarzeau : When will no moron file imaginary RC bugs? |
| 18:06.12 | noviac | tarzeau: Well. Is that a question? |
| 18:06.13 | tarzeau | Dild: bugs.debian.org/362897 |
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| 18:06.15 | Foxure | noviac: one thing.. where can a change so the default home dir is being /jail/home ?.. the server is only being used as webb host |
| 18:06.27 | tarzeau | noviac: if you can name a better way... yes |
| 18:06.54 | kspath | Azar: do it. |
| 18:06.55 | tarzeau | Azar: sure, show me screenshots and how one plays them |
| 18:07.01 | Dild | tarzeau: http://bugs.debian.org/362897 |
| 18:07.02 | tarzeau | Azar: www.linuks.mine.nu/supercow/ know this moo? |
| 18:07.06 | noviac | tarzeau: It's impossible. Won't bother. |
| 18:07.08 | Foxure | noviac: i change in the passwd. but new user still get /home/ |
| 18:07.13 | nekron- | ei |
| 18:07.13 | tarzeau | asg: got data about it? |
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| 18:07.24 | nekron- | what command dpkg talk about nvidia pci? |
| 18:07.30 | asg | tarzeau: sadly, I don't think so. I'll have to look |
| 18:07.39 | seb- | how get public key for etch security updates? |
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| 18:07.54 | noviac | Foxure: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 18:07.58 | abrotman | seb-: it's on that page |
| 18:08.00 | Dild | tarzeau : So Daniele Venzano is a genuine moron? |
| 18:08.01 | dragonfly | when i was trying to install last night my network card was automatically detected, now today i'm using a different "official" version of the install and it is not....how do i figure out what it is and what parameters i need (it's onboard) |
| 18:08.04 | Azar | tarzeau: http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/210 |
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| 18:08.08 | seb- | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 18:08.16 | tarzeau | Dild: well no i can't say that |
| 18:08.32 | Dild | tarzeau : I don't understand? |
| 18:08.33 | tarzeau | Dild: but i don't have a machine like his to fix it |
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| 18:08.45 | dmesg | hi |
| 18:08.47 | tarzeau | Dild: he is filing the bug, but not providing a patch |
| 18:08.52 | dmesg | is hula on apt? |
| 18:08.54 | tarzeau | Dild: and i can't reproduce it |
| 18:08.58 | asg | dmesg: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:08.58 | stew | dmesg: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:09.03 | tarzeau | Dild: that's like a bad situation for software |
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| 18:09.16 | tarzeau | dmesg: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:09.23 | asg | /bin/dmesg -n 1 |
| 18:09.24 | dmesg | ok |
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| 18:09.40 | Dild | tarzeau : Close the bug, "not reproduceable". |
| 18:09.42 | tarzeau | rm -rf /bin/dmesg |
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| 18:10.00 | tarzeau | Dild: awww and then i be the genuine moron? that's not good either |
| 18:10.04 | Dild | tarzeau : Maybe forward a copy of the bugreport to upstream, if they're interested. |
| 18:10.09 | noviac | Foxure, either you change in there. Or you make an alias or bash-script to override the default adduser. |
| 18:10.12 | Azar | tarzeau: the game requires a 286 PC with 500k free conventional memory non-mswindows system with sound blaster pro cards |
| 18:10.27 | Dild | tarzeau : Otherwise you need more info from her, so you can reproduce. |
| 18:10.27 | S4nD3r | hi there. I lost my FTP password. Then, Id like to copy back all my site. I have only .html files. Idont know how to use wget to do this.... May someone help me? |
| 18:10.28 | dmesg | debian:/home/dmesg# apt-cache search hula |
| 18:10.29 | dmesg | debian:/home/dmesg# |
| 18:10.29 | tarzeau | Azar: haha... and why don't you program it? it's easy using sdl! |
| 18:10.35 | asg | dmesg: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:10.47 | tarzeau | Dild: it's not a woman. i don't want to reproduce either |
| 18:10.48 | jafo_ | quit |
| 18:10.50 | Azar | tarzeau: if I knew how to program this game would be out on linux... yesterday |
| 18:11.01 | tarzeau | Azar: it's easy, what about we learn it? |
| 18:11.14 | Azar | :) I would be happy |
| 18:11.14 | grendal_prime | could somone suggest a good mpg editor? |
| 18:11.21 | grendal_prime | mpeg that is |
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| 18:11.39 | backz | stew, /dev/sda1 on /mnt type reiserfs (rw) |
| 18:11.45 | tarzeau | Azar: for a good game, you need good graphics, good sound and good gameplay |
| 18:11.47 | asg | dmesg: what Debian version are you running? |
| 18:11.57 | dmesg | stable sarge |
| 18:12.09 | Azar | tarzeau: that game went out when a 3D was just a dream of the future |
| 18:12.12 | tarzeau | Azar: how was that game you named? what did one do? |
| 18:12.13 | dmesg | Linux debian 2.4.27-3-686 #1 Wed Feb 8 12:40:33 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:12.21 | asg | dmesg: you'll have to backport it ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:12.33 | Azar | tarzeau: you did not read the specs? |
| 18:12.37 | dmesg | :O |
| 18:12.56 | asg | dmesg: http://www.hula-project.org/Installation_Debian_Sarge |
| 18:13.12 | asg | dmesg: note that it is unofficial and unsupported by #debian but it should work |
| 18:13.16 | tarzeau | Azar: no, did you post an url? |
| 18:13.24 | Azar | tarzeau: http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/210 |
| 18:13.30 | dmesg | asg ah ok |
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| 18:14.52 | S4nD3r | thanks, i got |
| 18:15.16 | stew | backz: but "ls /mnt" gives you permission denied errors? |
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| 18:15.55 | tarzeau | is having a aim logo icon a copyright issue? |
| 18:16.05 | backz | stew, no! root 755 |
| 18:16.22 | kspath | tarzeau: I would assume and likely wrong that AOL might protect/defend it. |
| 18:16.32 | dragonfly | when i boot in knoppix my network card is detected....lsmod shows a list of modules loaded and forcedeth appears to be the one for my network card, however in the debian install it says no card detected |
| 18:16.33 | tarzeau | say upstream is worried about it, and i patch it into a package using debian/theicon.tiff.uuencoded |
| 18:16.42 | dragonfly | i try to load the forcedeth module and it asks for parameters |
| 18:16.51 | stew | backz: so "ls /mnt" doesn't give you permission denied, but "chroot /mnt ; then ls /" does? |
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| 18:16.52 | dragonfly | but i dont' know what parameters to give it |
| 18:16.53 | tarzeau | kspath: can you just say yes or no, my english is not so good |
| 18:17.22 | tarzeau | kspath: please also tell me your name/address/phonenumber so if aol comes to me, i'll tell them you told me it's fine :) |
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| 18:17.49 | kspath | tarzeau: I would say that using AOL owned marks is a bad idea for any debian packages unless given express permission by AOL for it. |
| 18:18.22 | tarzeau | kspath: man it's just a little man with a black border small icon |
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| 18:18.25 | backz | stew, yes, ls -la yes! ls: vmlinuz.old: Permission denied |
| 18:18.32 | kspath | tarzeau: Organization defend their marks in court quite often. |
| 18:18.34 | tarzeau | kspath: i can draw tits to the man and then it's fine? |
| 18:18.55 | tarzeau | kspath: no court can tell my woman is like the aol man! |
| 18:18.57 | kspath | tarzeau: I doubt it. Depends on how many lawyers you have. |
| 18:19.03 | tarzeau | kspath: i've got none |
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| 18:19.14 | tarzeau | kspath: nor do i have money for any |
| 18:19.18 | rikva | doesn't gaim and kopete use the gaim logo? |
| 18:19.19 | kabraxis | hi, i want install php with --option1 --option2 etc. and use apt-get, is it possible? |
| 18:19.27 | asg | kabraxis: which options? |
| 18:19.27 | backz | stew, now, I'm using debian installer cd. |
| 18:19.36 | rikva | *aim logo |
| 18:19.43 | tarzeau | rikva: upstream told me they don't , but then i didn't check |
| 18:19.56 | tarzeau | need to look at some first |
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| 18:20.09 | nekron- | is there a package nvidia-kernel-source in etch????????? |
| 18:20.15 | kspath | tarzeau: Did you need a reason/excuse to look at some? |
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| 18:20.22 | tarzeau | kspath: no |
| 18:20.24 | asg | nekron-: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 18:20.27 | kabraxis | asg: this: http://pastebin.com/721044 |
| 18:20.28 | backz | stew, the type of partition is linux raid! |
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| 18:21.14 | truthans | has anyone got this problem, and a sollution for it : dhcpd:ip length 576 disagrees with bytes received 590 ?? |
| 18:21.17 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: you are so bashed |
| 18:21.20 | kabraxis | i have never used debian, always gentoo so i dont know to more about debian |
| 18:21.22 | asg | kabraxis: apt-cache search php- |
| 18:21.33 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: please no |
| 18:21.36 | asg | kabraxis: debian's php is modular so they have php4-mcrypt packages, etc. |
| 18:21.40 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: or change my nick to abrotman first! |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 18:21.57 | stew | backz: i have no idea why ls would work from outside the chroot but not inside, does it prevent you form fixing grub? |
| 18:21.58 | kspath | kabraxis: !tell about grounding |
| 18:22.03 | asg | kabraxis: after installing the base php, use the <?phpinfo();?> trick to see what debian was actually compiled with to make sure you don't need a custom compilation |
| 18:22.23 | Dild | Shadowcat : How do I change abrotmans nick to tarzeauII ? |
| 18:22.23 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: http://www.bash.org/?650308 |
| 18:22.46 | Dild | Quote #650308 is pending moderation. |
| 18:22.50 | Shadowcat | * tarzeau drawing tits <tarzeau> need to look at some first <---- those two lines |
| 18:23.03 | Shadowcat | that might just be twisted enough to make it in too |
| 18:23.11 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: haha that's not funny without the aim part |
| 18:23.26 | Shadowcat | ya it's funny enough |
| 18:23.38 | kabraxis | asg: but you see in page what i wrote, i have special place to some config files etc. |
| 18:23.39 | Shadowcat | although you're welcome to submit the whole thing :P |
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| 18:24.13 | asg | kabraxis: those are for locally compiled libs. Did you already do this? Why? |
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| 18:25.02 | Dild | THis machine has a SOUNDBLASTER AUDIGY SE soundcard from Creative Something. I want to make it work with Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Any tips that I might have missed when looking at the ALSA website .. (or any debian specific advise) ((or ANY advise / thoughts at all!!)) |
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| 18:25.26 | LinspireBrian | Does anyone know of a place that archives old debian source packages? I'm trying to get a slightly older copy of CDBS and have been unable to find it |
| 18:25.34 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 18:25.34 | dpkg | hmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:25.41 | kspath | !tell Dild about alsa |
| 18:25.45 | kspath | !tell Dild about alsa-checklist |
| 18:25.45 | LinspireBrian | whoo! |
| 18:25.48 | LinspireBrian | thank you |
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| 18:26.05 | asg | Dild: /msg dpkg audigy |
| 18:26.07 | abrotman | well . might not be source there .. guess you'll find out |
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| 18:26.26 | backz | stew, yes, I cant fix grub with it, but, with another HD, I can! why? |
| 18:26.38 | backz | stew, it was the second HD from RAID1 |
| 18:27.01 | kabraxis | asg: i dont understand... i have Direct Admin (something like cPanel) and this panel have special script to build this.... but i dont want uset this s... and i want php with http://pastebin.com/721044 |
| 18:27.09 | nic-noc | where can i find more info on what raid hardware controlers are supported by debian? I want do run RAID5 on a Debian serve, where can I find more info on that too. thanks |
| 18:27.20 | Dild | $ LANG=C ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 18:27.20 | Dild | LSorensen: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 18:27.33 | kabraxis | asg: and i didnt use apt-get to install php |
| 18:27.37 | stew | Dild: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 18:27.58 | Dild | stew: sudo thanks |
| 18:27.58 | LinspireBrian | abrotman, indeed it does |
| 18:27.58 | asg | kabraxis: oh, then I haven't a clue how Direct Admin does it. |
| 18:27.59 | stew | backz: i don't know what you mean by "with another HD, i can" |
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| 18:28.02 | LinspireBrian | many thanks |
| 18:28.38 | abrotman | LinspireBrian: be aware .. those packages probably don't have much to do with Linspire |
| 18:29.20 | kabraxis | asg: but forget about Direct Admin. Tell me only how can i install php with all options what i wrote using debian |
| 18:29.20 | LinspireBrian | abrotman, I just need the source to CDBS to put into our repo. Our version is dated and is missing a key feature I need |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:29.47 | backz | stew, It was a RAID1 system. with 2 hd's |
| 18:30.19 | asg | kabraxis: compile it and all its dependancies from source then. Debian's php that you apt-get already has all of those compiled in. |
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| 18:30.51 | backz | stew, I loose some files on first HD, RAID1 was diabled, then, I'm tryiing to get files from slave hd. |
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| 18:31.50 | stew | backz: ok |
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| 18:33.10 | kabraxis | asg: but when i copmpile php i have error and i cant solve this problem |
| 18:33.19 | asg | kabraxis: what error? |
| 18:33.26 | backz | stew, there are some option when I'm mounting partition to define (or force) root ? |
| 18:33.26 | kabraxis | asg: hang a sec |
| 18:33.35 | stew | backz: no |
| 18:33.57 | backz | stew, what is the problem man ? |
| 18:34.10 | kabraxis | asg: priv? |
| 18:34.11 | seb- | is there a diff getting security updates from stable/updates and sarge/updates? |
| 18:34.17 | asg | kabraxis: just put it in a pastebin |
| 18:34.21 | backz | stew, I can't access these files... ls: Permission denied |
| 18:34.31 | kabraxis | asg: no, its only 2 lines ;) |
| 18:34.37 | asg | kabraxis: then paste it here |
| 18:34.43 | kspath | seb-: Sarge is Stable release at this time. |
| 18:34.56 | seb- | kspath: yes, so is stable/updates same thing? |
| 18:35.03 | kabraxis | Trying to make php... |
| 18:35.03 | kabraxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.03 | kabraxis | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:35.03 | kabraxis | make: *** [libphp4.la] Error 1 |
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| 18:35.11 | asg | that was not 2 lines |
| 18:35.11 | stew | backz: what file is giving you permission denied right now? |
| 18:35.15 | stew | backz: and have you chrooted? |
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| 18:35.24 | kspath | seb-: You can determine that when/if you want to do so. |
| 18:35.34 | whyami | how do I install the dummy alsa driver? |
| 18:35.34 | asg | kspath: that wasn't 2 lines |
| 18:35.36 | stew | kabraxis: apt-get build-dep php4 |
| 18:35.40 | asg | eep |
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| 18:35.49 | seb- | kspath: why not just use stable/updates always so you never have to change path? |
| 18:35.54 | stew | whyami: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:36.23 | kspath | seb-: You can determine that when/if you want to do so. Woody was stable. |
| 18:36.36 | backz | stew, all files that only root can access. root from installed system |
| 18:36.39 | kspath | seb-: Etch will be stable in future. |
| 18:37.19 | stew | backz: so for example, "ls /root" gives you permission denied from inside the chroot, but before you chroot, "ls /mnt/root" does not? |
| 18:37.35 | whyami | stew: 2.6.11-co-0.6.3 |
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| 18:38.07 | stew | whyami: try "modprobe snd-dummy" if that doesn't work you will have to ask whomever compiled that kernel |
| 18:38.29 | kabraxis | stew: but this will compile all packets? If i dont want all it is possible to install only what i want? |
| 18:38.49 | stew | kabraxis: all that will do is install the libraries needed for compiling php |
| 18:39.04 | whyami | stew: it says that module is not found. Wouldn't I have to download the module first? |
| 18:39.17 | stew | whyami: no you need a different kernel |
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| 18:39.26 | backz | stew, permission denied in both! |
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| 18:39.44 | asg | backz: the mountpoint for the chroot needs to be 755 or you will have problems |
| 18:40.01 | stew | backz: you are telling me inconsistent stuff, i can't follow this |
| 18:40.30 | backz | asg, it is 755 |
| 18:40.32 | backz | sorry all |
| 18:40.42 | backz | I was a RAID with 2 hd's |
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| 18:41.14 | backz | the raid is broken, I stoped sync. it fails, I loose some files... but I think: Oh, yes, I've the slave disk! |
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| 18:41.50 | kabraxis | stew: instal from finter or script will install only this? I must add i have php instaled on server, i dont know how becouse i have error... (not i installed this) |
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| 18:42.43 | stew | kabraxis: i didn't understand that |
| 18:42.50 | backz | Then it was without grub, I booted with some livecd and tryed to get this files. I'm root user on livecd (debian install cd), but, when I mount sda1, I can't get files from root of instaled system. Eg: ls -la /mnt/root/ returns: ls: opt: Permission Denied, ls: vmlinuz.old: Permission denied |
| 18:43.02 | kabraxis | stew: heh sorry ;) |
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| 18:44.34 | jonaskoelker | Hi. On startup, LANG is set to `en_DK.UTF-8' and LANGUAGE to `en_DK:en_US:en_GB:en'. How/where can I change that? |
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| 18:44.37 | john_doe | could you recommend a podcast receiver? I have used ipodder on gentoo but it's not in my sources. |
| 18:44.52 | jonaskoelker | john_doe: bashpodder (GIYF) |
| 18:45.04 | whyami | stew: just so I understand, what is snd-dummy.ko and must that be created when the kernel is made? |
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| 18:45.34 | john_doe | jonaskoelker: what do you mean by GIYF? |
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| 18:45.44 | jonaskoelker | john_doe: google is your friend |
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| 18:46.07 | stew | whyami: you were asking about the alsa dummy drivers, right? snd-dummy.ko is the alsa dummy driver. whomever compiled your kernel decided not to include it when they compiled the kernel, so you need a different kernel that does include alsa dummy support |
| 18:46.13 | jonaskoelker | john_doe: (and, accidentally, if you google for "GIYF" you'll get the jargon file, or some other explanation :D) |
| 18:46.23 | john_doe | jonaskoelker: I just thought people here would be as well... |
| 18:46.36 | stew | whyami: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:46.48 | asg | jonaskoelker: you need to file a patch to have that included in wtf(6) in the bsdgames package |
| 18:46.52 | kabraxis | stew: i want compile php froum source so i should ihstall dpendences one by one like php4-gd or do apt-get build-dep php4? "apt-get build-dep php4" install all posible depndecnes or what? Becouse this command dont know what i want |
| 18:46.52 | whyami | stew: so if they *had* included the alsa dummy driver, snd-dummy.ko would be there? |
| 18:47.03 | stew | whyami: yes |
| 18:47.20 | kspath | john_doe: apt-cache search ipod does not show you anything? |
| 18:47.22 | whyami | stew: it's Etch, but the Kernel, as you noticed, is a hack so it runs in coLinux (on top of Windows) |
| 18:47.24 | jonaskoelker | asg: will do :-) |
| 18:47.30 | kspath | john_doe: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:47.30 | stew | kabraxis: "apt-get build-dep php4" it will install the things you need to compile php4 from source |
| 18:47.57 | stew | whyami: it sounds like you need to compile a new kernel with whatever you need to run coLinux, but also include alsa |
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| 18:48.00 | kabraxis | stew: but how this option know what i want install? For example i will instald gd or not? |
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| 18:48.19 | whyami | stew: okay. I'll start looking into that. I appreciate your help. |
| 18:48.27 | john_doe | kspath: not really |
| 18:48.44 | stew | kabraxis: it looks at debian's php4 source package and installs all the listed "Build-Depends:" as declared by the maintainer, which will include development libraries for gd |
| 18:49.08 | stew | kabraxis: it will install all of the libraries needed to compile all of the debian php4-* pacakges |
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| 18:50.12 | jonaskoelker | ahh... found it; I needed to change /etc/environment |
| 18:50.19 | Minerale | Would it be possible ot include the md5 sum of a file inside the file? (I understand its impossible) |
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| 18:50.49 | Azar | stupid question, my mirror is down how do I find a list of alternate apt mirrors? |
| 18:51.08 | asg | Minerale: you could append it to the end and then cut it off and compare it after the fact I suppose |
| 18:51.24 | noviac | Azar, apt-setup |
| 18:51.28 | stew | Azar: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 18:51.36 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 18:51.46 | lazzarello | Azar, make your own with apt-proxy |
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| 18:57.37 | wilsonsb | where do i find a iso for sun ultra 20 (amd64)? |
| 18:57.51 | streuner | ultras aren't amd64 |
| 18:57.57 | tarzeau | hehe |
| 18:58.00 | kabraxis | stew: can i see dependences pacakges with php what i have installed? |
| 18:58.52 | stew | kabraxis: i didn't understand that |
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| 18:59.28 | abrotman | wilsonsb: i don't think sun makes an amd64 ultra20 |
| 18:59.32 | wilsonsb | anyone knows about a iso for installing debian on sun ultra 20? |
| 18:59.45 | kabraxis | stew: for example i installed php4-gd and php4-curl and i want see which one was installed |
| 18:59.52 | asg | wilsonsb: #debian-sparc |
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| 19:00.02 | stew | wilsonsb: /msg dpkg d-i ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:00.10 | abrotman | oh .. they do make it again |
| 19:00.14 | Azar | well strange as it sounds only mirrors.org still work for me, my other mirror is down |
| 19:00.17 | kspath | !tell wilsonsb about sparc |
| 19:00.22 | abrotman | !tell wilsonsb about amd64 |
| 19:00.28 | stew | kabraxis: maybe you want "dpkg -l | grep php" |
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| 19:01.56 | Azar | my IP seems to be banned from login at freenet.org |
| 19:02.00 | tarzeau | DAMNED GIMP |
| 19:02.01 | stew | wilsonsb: for amd64, ignore /msg dpkg d-i ; |
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| 19:02.11 | tarzeau | i had the tits ... The program 'gimp' received an X Window System error. |
| 19:02.11 | kspath | http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/index.jsp?cid=74628 |
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| 19:02.22 | Dild | tarzeau : Be nice to GIMP! Its the best program for what it does, afaik. |
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| 19:02.34 | tarzeau | Dild: if it doesn't segfault... |
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| 19:02.39 | tarzeau | Dild: what about my work? |
| 19:02.40 | Azar | political correctness embeded in gimp |
| 19:02.41 | kspath | Apparently, it is AMD64. I think their "genius" marketing people made a mistake. |
| 19:02.42 | alexxx | hola a todos |
| 19:02.46 | stew | !es |
| 19:02.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:03.49 | grendal_prime | hey got a machine missing a 9 pin keyboard and no 9 pin keyboard...but the thing is set to bypass the keyboard..is there a way to do a remote install from boot |
| 19:04.30 | Azar | tarzeau: just to cheer you up old games made for dos, amiga, atari, commodore way before fancy video cards and speedy cpus were even invented were way nicer than today's games. |
| 19:04.58 | tarzeau | Azar: todays games are nice, just not those developed on linux with crap graphics/sound |
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| 19:05.02 | Azar | today we got speed, but games are dry in content. |
| 19:05.48 | Azar | tarzeau: nethack-text might be graphic-less but it gets the imagination flowing |
| 19:06.01 | asg | tarzeau: go play JediMUD |
| 19:06.07 | Azar | :) |
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| 19:06.14 | grendal_prime | jedimud? |
| 19:06.16 | Azar | even mud's were fun |
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| 19:06.22 | grendal_prime | that actually souds fun |
| 19:06.23 | asg | grendal_prime: jedimud.com |
| 19:06.38 | asg | grendal_prime: based on the DikuMUD code and has been around for many years. |
| 19:06.40 | biocoded | the boot floppy disk install from debian don´t recognize my hard disk. I need compile a new kernel and remake de install disks. Where Can I found documentation about the floppy install from debian ? |
| 19:06.56 | Dild | asg : I remember DikuMUD. |
| 19:06.57 | kabraxis | stew: thx |
| 19:07.08 | Azar | asg: zork owned |
| 19:07.08 | asg | Dild: it's still around |
| 19:07.16 | asg | Azar: or Leather Goddesses of Phobos |
| 19:07.25 | Azar | asg: aaahhh yes :) |
| 19:07.40 | Dild | asg: Unfortunately not .. it was closed in 1992 .. the code is still around though, and some other sites use the modified code. |
| 19:07.48 | Azar | today's programmers do not understand OUR needs |
| 19:07.54 | asg | Dild: right, I mean't you can still get it |
| 19:08.06 | grendal_prime | ya i cant get into the mud thing..its like digital dnd..i liked dnd..it was fun..when i was 12. |
| 19:08.19 | asg | grendal_prime: yes but this one has Jedis and hobbits |
| 19:08.20 | Dild | asg : I actually have a copy myself .. its not running though. |
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| 19:08.31 | grendal_prime | i fly planes now when i have time to burn |
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| 19:08.44 | grendal_prime | totally differnt mentality in my old age |
| 19:08.45 | Dild | asg: (As in .. I don't actually run a mud .. the code works fine) |
| 19:08.53 | Scognito | hello |
| 19:09.08 | Azar | if linux could have the best of the '89-90 old games, lots of people would flock to it. Non-3D games. |
| 19:09.08 | asg | Dild: I was running one on my laptop up until a year ago. I was starting to develop something Lovecraftian but just never got off the ground. |
| 19:09.16 | asg | Azar: like space taxi |
| 19:09.16 | Daedalus_ | grendal_prime: RC or real life |
| 19:09.20 | asg | "Hey, Taxi" |
| 19:09.29 | Azar | asg haha yes yes |
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| 19:09.37 | Scognito | after a dist-upgrade, gdm won't start... |
| 19:09.41 | Scognito | GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8 |
| 19:09.48 | asg | Azar: actually, I think there is a linux game based on it |
| 19:09.49 | Dild | asg : Getting off the ground is the hard thing. |
| 19:09.54 | biocoded | hi |
| 19:10.03 | grendal_prime | rc..hehehe no i fly planes..liek single engin cessna 172's big enough to put the family in |
| 19:10.06 | kspath | !tell alkalineX about away |
| 19:10.17 | asg | Azar: apt-cache show moagg |
| 19:10.19 | alkalineX | dammit!! |
| 19:10.19 | grendal_prime | im inst. rated |
| 19:10.20 | Scognito | wher is X bin now? |
| 19:10.22 | asg | Dild: it is, I agree. |
| 19:10.23 | grendal_prime | we fly everywhere now |
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| 19:10.50 | Daedalus_ | grendal_prime: nice |
| 19:10.53 | Dild | asg: I have been developing a mud from scratch .. I got started .. but when it started to get serious I got stuck with too much work relative to the time I was willing to dedicate for it. |
| 19:10.54 | biocoded | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.17 | asg | Dild: yeah, the work thing is problematic :) |
| 19:11.25 | streuner | Scognito: changelog would prolly tell you |
| 19:11.35 | kspath | asg: lack of work thing is much more problematic. |
| 19:12.02 | asg | kspath: unless you're a MUD developer with a rich {girl,boy}friend |
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| 19:12.16 | Dild | asg : Well .. also my ambitions tend to exceed my skills .. and it takes times to develop skills .. I actually chose a language I didn't know to write the MUD. |
| 19:12.25 | goron | I get a backtrace in Xorg. Does this mean I need to reinstall my nvidia drivers? |
| 19:12.28 | stew | asg: like that happens... |
| 19:12.51 | asg | stew: actually, one of our interns is in that situation. |
| 19:12.54 | goron | !paste |
| 19:12.55 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:13.00 | asg | Dild: which language? |
| 19:13.29 | Dild | asg : Heh .. emacs lisp actually ... I should probably have chosen scheme or common lisp which was my intension ... |
| 19:13.45 | goron | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2555 |
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| 19:13.54 | goron | There is the back trace |
| 19:13.55 | asg | Dild: hehe, cool. |
| 19:13.58 | drcurl | hellp |
| 19:14.00 | drcurl | hello |
| 19:14.11 | sid | !greet drcurl |
| 19:14.11 | dpkg | Howdy, drcurl |
| 19:14.23 | asg | Dild: I couldn't ever imagine being productive with emacs again if that happened. |
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| 19:14.33 | biocoded | anyone can see me ? |
| 19:14.39 | kronoz | yup |
| 19:14.39 | drcurl | I downloaded netinstall, I wish to check it with md5sum but I can't find any ref on the value it is suppose to be. Where is it? |
| 19:15.13 | kspath | !tell biocoded about documentation |
| 19:15.13 | sid | drcurl: etch or sarge? |
| 19:15.15 | drcurl | sarge |
| 19:15.26 | drcurl | production machine ;) |
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| 19:15.56 | sid | drcurl: What architecture? |
| 19:16.01 | drcurl | i386 |
| 19:16.08 | sid | drcurl: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:16.12 | grendal_prime | so no way to do an install without a keyboard? |
| 19:16.22 | sid | drcurl: It's in the same directory where you downloaded the iso9660 image. |
| 19:16.26 | dn4 | e-Gnome |
| 19:16.27 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ask #debian-boot |
| 19:16.30 | sid | grendal_prime: sure you can. |
| 19:16.31 | grendal_prime | some way of unatended |
| 19:16.39 | grendal_prime | oh good idea |
| 19:16.40 | sid | grendal_prime: You can preseed it. |
| 19:16.43 | drcurl | oh, thanks sid! |
| 19:16.44 | sid | grendal_prime: Or g4u |
| 19:16.54 | grendal_prime | g4u? |
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| 19:16.59 | sid | !g4u |
| 19:16.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, g4u is ghost for unix, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
| 19:17.14 | kspath | grendal_prime: dd ? |
| 19:17.26 | sid | You would have to setup a script with g4u |
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| 19:17.41 | grendal_prime | i just nned to get it up to the point where i can log into it |
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| 19:17.52 | sid | How can you login without a keybaord grendal_prime? |
| 19:17.56 | kspath | grendal_prime: image of a base install ? |
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| 19:18.23 | sid | grendal_prime: I would use preseed |
| 19:18.47 | grendal_prime | the other reason i want to do the install from another machine is so i can capture it into a flash file |
| 19:18.49 | grendal_prime | heheeh |
| 19:18.56 | kabraxis | stew: apt-get -su install php4 - but this want install apache2 etc. i dont want this |
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| 19:19.38 | stew | kabraxis: then explictly install libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 19:20.13 | backz | stew, sorry! this permission problems on chroot was broken blocks on reiserfs! I run reiserfsck --rebuid-tree |
| 19:20.27 | entuall | hello |
| 19:20.31 | asg | ah, reiser strikes again |
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| 19:21.09 | pipeline | backz: You're screwed. |
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| 19:22.18 | backz | asg, is reiser bad? |
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| 19:22.28 | stew | !ricerfs |
| 19:22.28 | dpkg | it has been said that ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 19:22.41 | grendal_prime | ok preceed? |
| 19:22.42 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 19:22.44 | backz | pipeline, no! I'm fear |
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| 19:22.46 | asg | backz: it always seems to eat my data. |
| 19:22.48 | Shadowcat | reiser is fine |
| 19:23.02 | backz | it was reiserfs + raid1 |
| 19:23.04 | backz | mdadm |
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| 19:23.09 | pipeline | Shadowcat: You always chime in to say that. |
| 19:23.16 | pipeline | Shadowcat: It never becomes true. |
| 19:23.21 | Shadowcat | pipeline: because I'm the only one that runs it here |
| 19:23.26 | Shadowcat | and I've never had a problem with it |
| 19:23.40 | dumezil | i just used cfdisk to make a partition, but when i try to run mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0p1 i get "could not stat /dev/md0p1 --- no such file or directory"... what could cause this? |
| 19:24.04 | Shadowcat | md0? |
| 19:24.07 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Lucky you. Clearly that means that the filesystem isn't developed by an egotistical asshole who can't admit that it has problems. Also, your use indicates that the recovery tools aren't crap. Oh wait. No. It doesn't. It's lousier than my sarcasm. |
| 19:24.14 | Shadowcat | what kind of a device is that? |
| 19:24.30 | dumezil | its a software raid device |
| 19:24.31 | Shadowcat | !beat pipeline |
| 19:24.33 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 19:24.46 | dumezil | made with the aforementioned mdadm |
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| 19:24.52 | Shadowcat | dumezil: uhh I'm of no help to you then, since I haven't played with software raid at all |
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| 19:25.24 | dumezil | im not necessarily asking about software raid (but probably)... just that i can partition this disk then mkfs doesn't see it |
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| 19:25.38 | dumezil | the partitioning software apparently doesn't make the partition device |
| 19:25.46 | dumezil | ls -l /dev/md0p1 returns nothing |
| 19:25.57 | sepski | dumezil, usualy you mkfs /dev/md0 directly without partition it first |
| 19:26.18 | sepski | dumezil, if you need partitions you usualy do hda1+hdb1=md0 and hda2+hdb2 = md1 |
| 19:26.30 | sepski | and you mkfs md0 and md1 |
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| 19:26.45 | dumezil | ok i am not officially an idiot |
| 19:26.48 | dumezil | thank sepski |
| 19:26.50 | dumezil | thanks |
| 19:27.20 | dumezil | s/not/now/g |
| 19:27.20 | sepski | dumezil, i heard rumors about raid1 should support partitionable md devices. but i'v never seen them in action myself so i stay with the tested method |
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| 19:28.10 | dumezil | i had guessed that the raid device acted just like a hard drive. ie i would partition it then create the filesystem in the partitions... |
| 19:28.50 | dumezil | im glad to now know the 'tested method' |
| 19:28.50 | mirak | how to patch a folder ? patch -p0 dossier < patch doesn't work |
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| 19:29.58 | grendal_prime | OK hold the presses..i found an adapter...and...a video cameria |
| 19:30.15 | grendal_prime | dont need to do remote install now thanks for the input and info though |
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| 19:31.32 | crookshanks | stew and asg: remember the weird mousedev issues I was having yesterday? found a solution |
| 19:31.43 | backz | stew, but I do... reiserfsck --rebuid-tree! |
| 19:31.44 | backz | :) |
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| 19:31.56 | stew | backz: i have no idea what that does |
| 19:32.00 | crookshanks | stew and asg: has to do with bad modprobe aliases |
| 19:32.03 | backz | haha |
| 19:32.08 | Azar | does dosbox require gnome or kde? |
| 19:32.23 | stew | Azar: apt-cache depends dosbox |
| 19:32.35 | exist | Stew hi |
| 19:32.39 | Azar | thanks stew |
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| 19:32.57 | exist | Stew u know i have a problem iproute and pptp |
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| 19:33.30 | DarkJesus | dpkg cheese |
| 19:33.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, cheese is made from milk, be it from Cows or Humans. Can also use goat's milk, and tastes very good that way |
| 19:33.38 | DarkJesus | WOW! |
| 19:33.50 | Azar | gah dosbox not on my etch sources |
| 19:33.59 | DarkJesus | dpkg milk |
| 19:34.00 | dpkg | well, milk is sprung forth from the teats of all mammals, and is valuable sustenance for mammals young and old. |
| 19:34.13 | crookshanks | dpkg pants |
| 19:34.13 | dpkg | No, i am not wearing pants! |
| 19:34.16 | DarkJesus | WOAH! You're blowing my mind! |
| 19:34.16 | crookshanks | lol |
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| 19:34.26 | jelly | !test |
| 19:34.26 | dpkg | No, jelly, you're not online any more. |
| 19:34.29 | sepski | !botabuse |
| 19:34.29 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 19:34.42 | jelly | !win sepski |
| 19:34.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, sepski! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 19:34.45 | jelly | ;-) |
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| 19:36.19 | stew | exist: yes, i remember, default routes... |
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| 19:37.06 | exist | Stew it is not default route |
| 19:37.19 | exist | i disable all default routes from pppd config |
| 19:37.23 | exist | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 19:37.23 | exist | 10.0.1.10 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp1 |
| 19:37.23 | exist | dsl.static81215 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
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| 19:37.33 | kspath | !tell exist about paste |
| 19:37.46 | exist | u see ppp1 is vpn server |
| 19:37.46 | Foxure | !msg |
| 19:37.47 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 19:37.53 | exist | vpn client sorry |
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| 19:38.39 | exist | i cant disable it. also if i disable it pptp client cant connect to pptp server |
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| 19:39.01 | mo1991 | how do I add icons/apps to the debian main menu in debian etch - used to right click and add in sarge - not sure in etch - gnome btw |
| 19:39.21 | exist | but i think i f can find the script that add this route. i can change this route for my iproute commands? am i wrong? |
| 19:39.25 | sepski | jelly: now i understand the US election proccess a lot more. nowonder things are as they are |
| 19:39.34 | Foxure | noviac: "mount --bind /home /var/chroot/apache2/home" will work to |
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| 19:39.57 | Dild | sepski : Few of the voters know what politics is about .. and those that do mostly vote for the wrong parties. |
| 19:40.22 | Dild | sepski : Its a general problem with democracy though .. not a US-American specific.. |
| 19:40.23 | Azar | on etch only dosemu, there is no available dosbox |
| 19:40.27 | stew | exist: that route was probably not added by a script, but added by the kernel when the interface was brought up |
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| 19:40.37 | exist | hmm |
| 19:40.45 | exist | :( |
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| 19:41.30 | sepski | Dild, ack |
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| 19:41.36 | jelly | Azar: use unstable for that one package, then remove it from the sources list. Or use pinning. |
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| 19:42.28 | jelly | Azar: I have a mostly testing installation and dosbox was installed a couple months ago. Strange thing it's not in testing (yet). |
| 19:42.40 | stew | exist: actually, no, i'm wrong, the kernel woudln't have added a host route i don't think |
| 19:43.01 | exist | i m reading for it |
| 19:43.08 | stew | Azar: /msg dpkg why is dosbox not in testing |
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| 19:44.14 | noviac | Foxure, oh. Nice one. |
| 19:44.36 | Dild | Azar : Check http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=dosbox |
| 19:44.46 | Dild | Azar : (In other words) |
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| 19:45.32 | stew | Azar: looks like it was removed from testing for the libasound transition a while back |
| 19:45.59 | myren | how do i resize my root drive? its ext3, so it can be resized afaik. |
| 19:46.17 | Azar | hmm bugs in the new releases but I guess the 0.60 version works ok |
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| 19:46.42 | noviac | Foxure, you sure about the permissions are right on that one? |
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| 19:47.27 | stew | Azar: its being held out of testing because of #356311 which exists in the older versions too. read that bug and see if it applies to you (likely it doesn't) |
| 19:47.43 | Azar | stew ah I see... |
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| 19:48.00 | noviac | Foxure, i mean. It shouldnt be too hard to escape that chroot if you have thoose kind of mounts in the chrooted dir, but i don't know. |
| 19:48.07 | Azar | I would try dosemu but not sure it will slow down my cpu for my game |
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| 19:48.48 | exist | stew i found a paper says /etc/ppp/ip-up.local add a route |
| 19:48.59 | exist | but i cant find this script at gateway |
| 19:49.12 | goron | I have a lot of unmet dependencies after a apt-get update && apt-get install xorg. |
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| 19:49.34 | stew | exist: grep -r route /etc/ppp |
| 19:49.36 | goron | I have seen the message in /topic, but it didn't really work out like I had expected. |
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| 19:49.51 | stew | goron: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:50.10 | Solet | hey anyone know of any software that will compile an avi into dvd format and burn to dvd-r? |
| 19:50.15 | goron | stew: I was running unstable, but my xserver was crashing when I ran glxgears. |
| 19:50.29 | goron | stew: I thought that maybe the new X would work. |
| 19:50.33 | goron | stew: Thus unstable |
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| 19:50.53 | dumezil | do you all have any suggestions on something that i can do hard drive burn-in testing with? i just made a large software raid device and i want to give it hell to see if any of the individual drives fail before i do anything important with it |
| 19:51.00 | stew | goron: put the actual output of "apt-get install xorg" into a pastebin along with the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 19:51.15 | goron | stew: That's a bit hard now I only have terminal. |
| 19:51.20 | goron | stew: I can't select anything. |
| 19:51.24 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 19:51.24 | dpkg | hmm... pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m |
| 19:51.38 | goron | stew: Ok |
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| 19:51.51 | asg | dumezil: dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/null |
| 19:52.10 | goron | stew: That doesn't work, because the package database is in an invalid state. |
| 19:52.10 | stew | dumezil: you could run bonnie++ |
| 19:52.23 | goron | stew: I first need to be able to install something. |
| 19:52.44 | stew | goron: well you have to somehow get us some real information, tell us what packages are involved, which have failed dependencies, what the failed dependencies are... |
| 19:52.45 | jelly | Azar: dosbox may be better especially if the software tinkers with protected mode or uses strange graphic modes (Pinball Fantasies, for example) |
| 19:52.56 | stew | goron: which packages are in an invalid state |
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| 19:53.15 | jelly | Azar: though not being able to type : makes it quite hard to use. ;-) |
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| 19:53.51 | goron | stew: gdm: depends xbase-client, but it's not going to be installed. |
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| 19:54.11 | stew | goron: apt-get install xbase-clients |
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| 19:54.59 | goron | stew: lmodern needs xutils |
| 19:55.11 | stew | goron: apt-get install xbase-clients xutils |
| 19:55.43 | goron | stew: So, I basically need to specify the recursive transitive closure of the depends relation? |
| 19:55.52 | stew | goron: until you find a root cause. |
| 19:56.22 | jengelh | !3.2 |
| 19:56.31 | stew | goron: or use aptitude which makes dependency resolution more automatic |
| 19:56.39 | asg | jengelh: it may end up being 4.0 |
| 19:56.53 | jengelh | How come there are two variants after sarge? libc6-dev-sparc64_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3_sparc.deb, libc6-dev-sparc64_2.3.6-7_sparc.deb and libc6-dev-sparc64_2.3.999-1_sparc.deb? One is sarge, one is unstable, and the other? |
| 19:56.59 | goron | stew: There was an error during xfonts-encodings. |
| 19:57.04 | goron | stew: -f it? |
| 19:57.12 | stew | goron: what was the error? |
| 19:57.39 | goron | stew: attempt to overwrite some file which is also in xfonts-base |
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| 19:57.48 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 19:57.49 | dpkg | well, tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 19:58.27 | stew | goron: what does "apt-cache policy xfonts-encodings" list for Candidate:? |
| 19:58.33 | Pupeno_ | My ISP provides a usenet server, I subscribed to some newsgroups there but all the articles are from 2005. Is the server supoused to find out that I want newer articles and download the, should I do something about it, or I am doomed ? |
| 19:58.38 | stew | !dbugs 367339 |
| 19:58.42 | dpkg | DONE:#367339:G[xfonts-encodings] xfonts-encodings: conflicts with xfonts-base; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:48:36 UTC |
| 19:59.07 | kspath | Pupeno_: contact your ISP tech support. |
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| 19:59.33 | goron | stew: installed: none Candidate 1:1..0.-3 |
| 19:59.44 | goron | stew: installed: none Candidate 1:1.0.0-3 |
| 19:59.49 | stew | goron: see the bug above, it is fixed in 1:1.0.0-4 |
| 19:59.49 | benix | Hi. What is the best way to get a small, but working kdeinstallation? |
| 19:59.51 | SNow | hi I have very interesting problem here, I have /second/pub1 and when i STOR files there everything is fine, I can make directories and so on but when i do mkdir movies and then want to put some files /second/pub1/movies it says permission denied |
| 19:59.53 | SNow | why is that? |
| 20:00.04 | Pupeno_ | kspath: thank you. |
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| 20:00.06 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.06 | asg | benix: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 20:00.08 | goron | stew: So I need the experimental package? |
| 20:00.09 | no0ke | !why |
| 20:00.10 | dpkg | Because! |
| 20:00.11 | SNow | I do that with ftp |
| 20:00.19 | SNow | with console I can upload everywhere I want |
| 20:00.26 | benix | asg: thanks |
| 20:00.29 | stew | goron: no, the packages in experimental are much older |
| 20:00.41 | goron | stew: So, where do I get 4? |
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| 20:00.54 | jelly | SNow: bad default permissions on the created directory? |
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| 20:01.20 | stew | goron: maybe out of incoming, i don't know if katie has run yet. if not, use the workaround in that bug |
| 20:01.22 | SNow | jelly but through console I can do that |
| 20:01.26 | SNow | jelly and how I can do that? |
| 20:01.31 | jelly | SNow: are you logged in via ftp as the same user? |
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| 20:01.46 | SNow | jelly this is the permissions |
| 20:01.47 | benix | asg: how can dpkg tell me a bit more, or is that all? |
| 20:01.47 | SNow | drwxr-xr-x |
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| 20:01.58 | SNow | jelly no, I'm doing that thing from console from root |
| 20:02.00 | foo | Hagfish: Around? |
| 20:02.17 | Hagfish | foo: yes |
| 20:02.23 | asg | benix: that's really all there is to it. #debian-kde might have more info though |
| 20:02.30 | benix | asg: okay |
| 20:02.44 | jelly | SNow: you can do almost everything as root, that doesn't help much. |
| 20:02.52 | jelly | s/every/any/ |
| 20:03.32 | SNow | jelly it's very complicated here, /second/pub1 is mounted via cifs at box 192.168.0.9 with rw permissions, and in /second/pub1 with ftp I CAN make dir, upload there, but I can't upload to /second/pub1/directory somehow, it makes directories to nobody/nogroup |
| 20:03.40 | SNow | and the anon ftp uses 'ftp' user |
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| 20:04.02 | SNow | 192.168.0.9 is a share ! |
| 20:04.03 | Azar | thanks jelly, I guess I will have to wait until dosbox's bugs get fixed. I really want to install very old games on the machine and play them. |
| 20:04.07 | SNow | 192.168.0.1 - ftp |
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| 20:04.20 | sergey | hi |
| 20:04.23 | stew | goron: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfonts-encodings.html it was installed into unstable today |
| 20:04.25 | Azar | dosemu will not emulate for 286 |
| 20:04.28 | jelly | SNow: ah, anon ftp. of course you can do things as root, and not everything as "nobody" (which I presume ftp server is run under) |
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| 20:04.39 | Sirgado | buenas |
| 20:04.43 | Azar | !es |
| 20:04.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:04.44 | Sirgado | hi |
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| 20:05.03 | jelly | Azar: you could try and do what the other guy in the bug report did - downgrade libsdl* stuff to sarge versions. |
| 20:05.16 | goron | stew: So, maybe my mirror doesn't have it? |
| 20:05.22 | Azar | jelly: I have a sarge box handy around |
| 20:05.23 | stew | goron: have you run apt-get update? |
| 20:05.29 | goron | stew: 5 minutes ago |
| 20:05.32 | stew | goron: then no. |
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| 20:06.03 | Azar | but looking at what stew said, I would rather wait a little longer until the bugs are fixed |
| 20:06.23 | SNow | jelly ftpd is running connections at nobody! but in the incoming I can store and mkdir everywhere I want (incoming is not mounted via lan) |
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| 20:06.28 | SNow | and in pub1 I can do everything |
| 20:06.29 | chealer | jengelh: $ apt-cache policy libc6-dev |
| 20:06.34 | stew | Azar: you are experiencing those bugs? |
| 20:06.34 | SNow | apart storing in directories |
| 20:06.37 | kspath | SNow: Did you want to look at your logs? Perhaps /msg dpkg grounding |
| 20:06.39 | stew | Azar: if so try the older version |
| 20:06.41 | mo1991 | can someone help me to add a new item to the menu in debian etch gnome 2.14? |
| 20:06.53 | mo1991 | Menu Editor does not seem to allow to add new items |
| 20:07.14 | Azar | stew: I did not installed yet. I am running now the etch box, was thinking to switch it with the sarge box |
| 20:07.27 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.38 | SNow | yeyeye |
| 20:07.42 | SNow | tried to look everywhere |
| 20:07.46 | mo1991 | azar - do you know how to add new items to the menu in etch main menu? |
| 20:07.47 | kspath | mo1991: Is there a right-click menu? |
| 20:07.50 | SNow | it's something with the share or whatever |
| 20:07.55 | Dild | !etch |
| 20:07.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 20:08.00 | mo1991 | kspath - no used to be one in sarge |
| 20:08.06 | mo1991 | add item to menu |
| 20:08.07 | Dild | When will etch be released? |
| 20:08.07 | Azar | mo1991: I do not use a "menu" |
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| 20:08.13 | mo1991 | k |
| 20:08.14 | goron | stew: Any idea how I can fill in a form in w3m? I went to it via TAB, then pressed x, and I went back to the previous page, I'd expected to see the letter x in my form. |
| 20:08.21 | Dild | ok .. sorry if stupid was the question .. I know "when its ready". |
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| 20:08.30 | Dild | When no RC bugs is there, right? |
| 20:08.33 | johnsu01 | goron: press enter |
| 20:08.33 | kspath | mo1991: I do not use GNOME or KDE unless rarely testing something. |
| 20:08.36 | benix | hm, is it possible that I have to add a user to a specific group to get kde running? |
| 20:08.43 | goron | johnsu01: Enter is to send it. |
| 20:08.53 | mo1991 | kspath - what menu editor do u use? |
| 20:08.55 | goron | johnsu01: I was just doing the input. |
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| 20:08.58 | mo1991 | i mena desktop |
| 20:09.02 | johnsu01 | goron: when you press enter on a form field in w3m, it prompts you for the input. |
| 20:09.05 | mo1991 | kspath - i meant desktop |
| 20:09.06 | jelly | SNow: that's because permissions in incoming allow "nobody" to write there. |
| 20:09.12 | goron | johnsu01: I am sorry, thanks |
| 20:09.22 | kspath | mo1991: I do not. I use ion3. F3 gives me all I need because I know what I want to run. |
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| 20:09.43 | mboso | i'm trying to install cups on a sarge debin-64, but its saying the package is not available. seems like a pretty big big package not to be avialabe. any know what's going on? |
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| 20:09.54 | stew | goron: hit enter on the form element |
| 20:09.59 | mboso | i've tried multiple apt sources |
| 20:10.02 | Azar | mo1991: some of us are happy with no desktop just a small window manager |
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| 20:10.14 | mo1991 | azar - i know |
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| 20:10.22 | mo1991 | I just like to have my menu's |
| 20:10.23 | chealer | Dild: right |
| 20:10.31 | krnl`- | hi |
| 20:10.33 | krnl`- | i'm writing app that connects to mysql. how can i check if mysql closed the connection (fe. because of a timeout) and that i have to reconnect? |
| 20:10.37 | kspath | mboso: Try the 64bit channels and mailing lists and mailing list archives as well? |
| 20:10.41 | chealer | !tell Dild about wwer |
| 20:10.50 | SNow | the logs doesn't say nothing |
| 20:10.55 | SNow | kspath |
| 20:11.03 | kspath | krnl`-: netstat mysqld logs? mysql status learn mysql? |
| 20:11.05 | SNow | jelly hmm so you suggest me what? |
| 20:11.12 | SNow | to allow nobody write in pub1 ? |
| 20:11.16 | jelly | SNow: you should ask the admin on that machine to configure ftp so that you can do upload to a freshly created directory. |
| 20:11.17 | goron | stew: debian.org also has the old version. What do I need to add to sources.list to get the good version. |
| 20:11.21 | kspath | SNow: Consider learning about turning up logging levels? |
| 20:11.27 | SNow | I'm the admin |
| 20:11.35 | SNow | kspath you won't see nothing still, it's not the ftp problem |
| 20:11.36 | SNow | I think |
| 20:11.43 | mo1991 | Azar - in the gnome help it says to put stuff in the $XDG_DATA_DIRS/desktop-directories directory. I don't know where this directory or setting is tho |
| 20:11.49 | jelly | SNow: then learn to configure ftpd to do what you want. ;-) |
| 20:11.58 | kspath | SNow: You need to investigate the problem you think you are having. |
| 20:11.59 | SNow | jelly, look :)) |
| 20:12.06 | stew | goron: you have to wait then. there was a workaround in the bts, just use that |
| 20:12.07 | mo1991 | Azar - any idea what this means?\ |
| 20:12.15 | SNow | www.sniegas.lt/proftpd.txt |
| 20:12.18 | SNow | jelly kspath look at this |
| 20:12.47 | SNow | I'm doing everything from this: ::ffff:192.168.0.2 |
| 20:12.56 | goron | stew: ok, w3m attempt II (nothing wrong with w3m) |
| 20:13.19 | jelly | Azar: success! I added stable deb lines to sources list and did "aptitude install libsdl1.2debian=1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-4.1 libsdl1.2debian-alsa=1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-4.1", now : works in dosbox. |
| 20:13.28 | SNow | that's not the problem of mny configuration |
| 20:13.40 | SNow | I think |
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| 20:14.24 | tuxuser | hi |
| 20:14.56 | SerajewelKS | my sound card supports 6-channel stereo, presumably by using the line and microphone input jacks as output. would it be possible to use one of the input jacks as a duplicate regular front output? |
| 20:15.09 | tuxuser | no |
| 20:15.11 | SerajewelKS | i've been fiddling with the mixer options and can't seem to get anything out of any of the inputs |
| 20:15.14 | FarrisG | anyone know of a simple way using bash or awk or printf to force a variable/string (actually numeric) to a certain length? for instance, if $x=3, I want the string to be 003. Or if it's 13, I want it to be 013 |
| 20:15.39 | SerajewelKS | tuxuser: based on what, i can't set 6-channel surround and then downmix it? |
| 20:15.48 | tuxuser | fuck off dude |
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| 20:16.05 | SerajewelKS | tuxuser: i beg your pardon? you just got here, you'd better do some explaining or get the hell out. |
| 20:16.07 | kspath | tuxuser: Was there a reason for that? |
| 20:16.09 | SNow | :))) |
| 20:16.14 | SNow | jelly kspath without ideas? |
| 20:16.16 | tuxuser | lol? |
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| 20:16.51 | kspath | SNow: I am not supporting non-debian issues. I pointed you to possible things to look into. |
| 20:16.51 | tuxuser | omg |
| 20:16.53 | jelly | SNow: frankly I think you're not experienced enough. And me neither when it comes to configuring proftpd. My guess would be to try an unsecure umask (like 000) for that directory, and see what happens. After that, RTFM. ;-) |
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| 20:16.59 | SerajewelKS | tuxuser: i'm a regular to this channel and i don't appreciate newbies attacking me without cause |
| 20:17.02 | tuxuser | i drop bobms |
| 20:17.10 | tuxuser | yeah yeah |
| 20:17.15 | jelly | SNow: this is more a proftpd problem. |
| 20:17.20 | goron | How do I go to an URL when inside w3m? And how to go to the previous page? |
| 20:17.24 | SerajewelKS | tuxuser: if you have anything informative to say, say it or get the fuck out |
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| 20:17.39 | tuxuser | chill brother |
| 20:17.46 | stew | FarrisG: printf "%03d" $x |
| 20:17.47 | SerajewelKS | tuxuser: you first |
| 20:17.49 | tuxuser | no intrested in your woes |
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| 20:17.59 | tuxuser | just seeing whats up |
| 20:18.06 | stew | SerajewelKS: tuxuser, please use /ignore and move on |
| 20:18.10 | tuxuser | stopp attacking me |
| 20:18.16 | kspath | tuxuser: The issue was your using such language. You can sit quietly to see what is up. |
| 20:18.21 | tuxuser | he attacked me |
| 20:18.25 | stew | tuxuser: just drop it |
| 20:18.28 | johnsu01 | SerajewelKS: I don't know the details, but I have seen that done before by editing asoundrc. |
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| 20:18.35 | streuner | tuxuser: use ignore |
| 20:18.44 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i don't care if he swears, but not when it's uncalled for and certainly not 30 seconds after joining |
| 20:18.46 | tuxuser | never said any thing out of line |
| 20:18.49 | tuxuser | ok |
| 20:18.49 | SNow | jelly yeah right |
| 20:18.52 | jelly | SerajewelKS: 5.1 cards usually have 3 separate outputs, don't htey? |
| 20:18.54 | SNow | and guys in proftpd are silent |
| 20:18.59 | Pupeno_ | What do you recommend to get reports of how much bandwith is used on a server ? I need to know the total and how much in each port. |
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| 20:19.05 | SNow | you are here trying to be an assholes especially kspath |
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| 20:19.09 | echnaton | hi when I run startx I get following output: "X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" "X: User not authorized to run the Xserver" how to fix that? |
| 20:19.10 | SNow | wtf should I do :) |
| 20:19.24 | kspath | SNow: #debian is not the root of all other channels. Do research. |
| 20:19.28 | SerajewelKS | jelly: this one has output, line-in, and microphone |
| 20:19.36 | Dild | How do I save the mixersettings at boot? |
| 20:19.37 | tuxuser | no audio on my end at all |
| 20:19.46 | Dild | How do I save the mixersettings to be restored at boot? |
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| 20:19.48 | tuxuser | but i'm ubunto |
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| 20:19.55 | SerajewelKS | !ubuntu |
| 20:19.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 20:20.00 | Dild | tuxuser : Get the coitus out. |
| 20:20.07 | streuner | Dild: save them in aumix? |
| 20:20.08 | thingfish | Dild: alsactl store |
| 20:20.08 | jmartens | I need to run a script on bootup, but a full init script is overkill, is there a simple way to do this? |
| 20:20.11 | stew | tuxuser: sorry we can't help with ubuntu in here, please try #ubuntu |
| 20:20.12 | dex_ | !debian |
| 20:20.13 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:20.20 | jelly | SerajewelKS: hmm. my onboard 5.1 crap has 3 regular outputs. and the digital one. Is yours a laptop? |
| 20:20.24 | dex_ | !gento |
| 20:20.28 | Dild | thingfish: You're the man! (or fish?) |
| 20:20.29 | SerajewelKS | tuxuser: ah, no wonder, you want to go attack people in #ubuntu then, they might like it better |
| 20:20.34 | stew | jmartens: /msg dpkg bootmisc |
| 20:20.36 | SerajewelKS | jelly: desktop |
| 20:20.37 | thingfish | heh |
| 20:20.48 | echnaton | any idea? |
| 20:20.55 | jelly | SerajewelKS: sorry, I have no clue. |
| 20:20.58 | SerajewelKS | jelly: according to the windows driver/wizard/whatever, when you enable surround sound the line-in and mic inputs become outputs |
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| 20:21.54 | jelly | SerajewelKS: mhm, could be some windows driver magic. Did you try unmuting the surround channel in alsamixer? |
| 20:21.59 | jmartens | stew: Thanks. |
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| 20:22.04 | goron | How do I go back in w3m? |
| 20:22.13 | stew | goron: hit s, choose the page, hit enter |
| 20:22.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly: yes, i've been playing with about every slider and option |
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| 20:22.21 | tuxuser | no i was attacked |
| 20:22.26 | tuxuser | remeber that |
| 20:22.29 | SerajewelKS | !ops tuxuser troll |
| 20:22.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: tuxuser troll |
| 20:22.37 | goron | stew: That's even better then firefox :) |
| 20:22.42 | goron | stew: er than |
| 20:22.44 | tuxuser | what is? |
| 20:23.01 | kspath | tuxuser: Please do not start again. Do you want to lurk quietly? |
| 20:23.07 | stew | goron: yeah, i like it. it even has tabbed browsing now |
| 20:23.16 | jelly | SerajewelKS: Eh. Thought maybe you didn't see the "MM" (mute) thingy at the bottom at first, like myself. O:-) |
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| 20:23.23 | goron | stew: no shit :P how? |
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| 20:23.28 | mentor | meh |
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| 20:23.33 | mentor | I was jsut reviewing that. |
| 20:23.35 | goron | stew: I also saw emacs style searching. |
| 20:23.38 | acetech | why doesnt debian use sudo intead of switching to su? |
| 20:23.43 | Cars_Suck | How do i access a floppy on debian? |
| 20:23.45 | SerajewelKS | jelly: nah. i actually don't want surround, i want a duplicate stereo out. |
| 20:23.58 | streuner | Cars_Suck: you mount it? |
| 20:24.00 | kspath | acetech: switching to su? |
| 20:24.00 | stew | goron: C-t: Open current link on new tab |
| 20:24.01 | SerajewelKS | jelly: but enabling 4-channel surround and downmixing could be a way to do that.. i'm not sure |
| 20:24.04 | Cars_Suck | mounted |
| 20:24.13 | Cars_Suck | i just got to find it |
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| 20:24.25 | stew | goron: hit "H" for help which gives you a list of keybindings |
| 20:24.26 | SerajewelKS | LoRez: thank you |
| 20:24.32 | streuner | Cars_Suck: in debian usually /floppy |
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| 20:24.34 | wakejagr | Cars_Suck: use "mount" to see what is mounted, and cd to the mount point (cd /floppy) |
| 20:24.38 | goron | stew: That's what I was looking for :) |
| 20:24.49 | acetech | kspath: yeah... is that as secure as using sudo? |
| 20:25.02 | kspath | acetech: You can use sudo and/or su if you want. Study/Research them. |
| 20:25.06 | abrotman | acetech: you can use whatever you want |
| 20:25.07 | kspath | acetech: There are many issues. |
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| 20:25.14 | jelly | SerajewelKS: i have 2*2 stereo here but my card has an easy "Duplicate Front" control in alsamixer. You might have to mess with .asoundrc. |
| 20:25.18 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i also have a "mono output select" option, i can choose "mix" or "mic" |
| 20:25.25 | benix | Can anybody give me a hint why kde does not start? Do I need to add user to a specific group? ksplash stops after (initializing systemdevices / Systemdienste werden gestartet) |
| 20:25.29 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i have "duplicate front" as well |
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| 20:25.35 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i have yet to figure out what it does |
| 20:25.42 | kspath | acetech: If you do research you will see the all good/bad ideas about sudo/su/root/... |
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| 20:25.58 | jcole | if one passes this to the kernel command line in this order, which does the debconf database use during install? -> "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low debconf/priority=critical" |
| 20:26.03 | acetech | kspath: alright i will |
| 20:26.09 | jelly | SerajewelKS: it duplicates front (channel 0 and 1) on surrond pair of outputs. |
| 20:26.21 | onetinsoldier | hello all |
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| 20:26.35 | SerajewelKS | jelly: nothing happens when i turn it on, in either of the other jacks |
| 20:26.45 | SerajewelKS | jelly: oh there |
| 20:26.55 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i never tried it in combination with 4-channel surround mode |
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| 20:27.14 | jelly | SerajewelKS: eh. lots of permutations. |
| 20:27.23 | SerajewelKS | jelly: gotta love how as soon as you start asking for help you find the answer accidentally |
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| 20:27.49 | oigres | Is there a simple way to restrict access to the Xserver for a particular user? |
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| 20:27.58 | jelly | SerajewelKS: took me maybe 2-3 days to find it out, so consider yourself lucky. ;-) |
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| 20:28.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly: heh |
| 20:28.16 | Dild | SerajewelKS : I used to use "M-x doctor" for asking questions about bugs with GNU Emacs. ;-) |
| 20:28.37 | SerajewelKS | Dild: heh, i try to avoid emacs... |
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| 20:28.41 | wakejagr | benix: the problem may not be KDE config, but the .xinit or .xsession file. how are you starting X? Are you logging in at a graphical login, or running startx on the command line? |
| 20:28.47 | Dild | SerajewelKS : How come? |
| 20:29.11 | SerajewelKS | Dild: just didn't feel right to me, not my preference |
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| 20:29.29 | SerajewelKS | Dild: i won't tell you vim is better, but i like it better |
| 20:29.37 | echnaton | so no idea why iam not authorized to run startx as normal user?! |
| 20:29.45 | Dild | SerajewelKS : I like both. |
| 20:29.47 | rlaager | I have setup a third-party repository (specifically, the WineHQ repository). When I do "apt-get install wine", apt warns that the package can't be authenticated. How can I find out which key was used to sign that package? |
| 20:30.03 | Dild | SerajewelKS : I know that vim has more code than emacs in standard installation. |
| 20:30.13 | kspath | Dild: It is a bit uncommon to like both. |
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| 20:30.23 | SerajewelKS | Dild: one thing i think is emacs relies too much on menus and keyboard combinations. i don't like holding down two keys at once unless i have to and didn't care enough to look for an alternate keymap. |
| 20:30.26 | goron | stew: I found the package, but only a reference that starts in pool/main/x/xfonts .... |
| 20:30.51 | goron | stew: I logged in on ftp.debian.org, but ls didn't work because of a network stream error. |
| 20:30.59 | SerajewelKS | Dild: purely an "i like this one and don't care to adapt this other one so i like it too" scenario |
| 20:31.08 | oigres | Is there a simple way to restrict access to the Xserver for a particular user? |
| 20:31.10 | goron | stew: Thus I couldn't verify whether it has pool as a subdir. |
| 20:31.30 | FabParma | does exist a command to know which video adapter the system is using? nor lspci, this is diagnostic |
| 20:32.01 | SerajewelKS | FabParma: uhm, lspci... |
| 20:32.04 | kspath | FabParma: hwinfo |
| 20:32.13 | dutche- | lshw |
| 20:32.30 | kspath | FabParma: what is the difference between a command and a "diagnostic"? |
| 20:32.36 | blondie | typing ps -ef to get a process list; how can you get the full text of a command being run if it's truncated? |
| 20:32.53 | stew | blondie: ps -efwww |
| 20:32.54 | dutche- | FabParma, xdebconfigurator u can see what you need |
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| 20:33.06 | goron | Where is the pool directory on ftp.debian.org? |
| 20:33.20 | kspath | blondie: man ps you can > to a file and use less or vi or whatever to "view" it. |
| 20:33.21 | stew | goron: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 20:33.34 | goron | stew: Thanks, I know I am annoying :) |
| 20:33.38 | SerajewelKS | wow, amarok is *sensitive* to CPU use |
| 20:33.46 | stew | goron: nah |
| 20:34.00 | goron | stew: That file seems to be not there. :( |
| 20:34.13 | kspath | blondie: dumping ps output to a file can be quite useful for future review especially if you name the output file with a timestamp |
| 20:34.17 | FabParma | dutche-: thanks, i try |
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| 20:34.37 | stew | goron: the -4.deb? you have to wait for a mirror update, you didn't get the mirror which has it installed. just use the workaround in the bts |
| 20:34.37 | onetinsoldier | or set COLUMNS |
| 20:34.41 | KingCrime | hi |
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| 20:34.47 | blondie | kspath: thanks but it's truncated in the file too... it goes off the edge on the right |
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| 20:34.56 | KingCrime | i need help with building my kerne |
| 20:34.57 | KingCrime | l |
| 20:35.00 | goron | stew: Oh, I thought that was the work around. Better read again, then. |
| 20:35.02 | SNow | WHY I CAN store files in root share directory, I CAN create directories, but I can't store there ;/ with ftp? |
| 20:35.03 | onetinsoldier | blondie: export "COLUMNS=160" |
| 20:35.05 | kspath | blondie: vi does not scroll to the right? |
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| 20:35.19 | blondie | no, I mean the text stops |
| 20:35.32 | stew | goron: iirc you just had to force it to install the newest xbase-clients or whatever package was conflicting |
| 20:35.33 | onetinsoldier | vi should scroll to the right too |
| 20:35.40 | kspath | blondie: if you read the man page it should go up to 132 columns but after 132 columns your mileage may vary |
| 20:35.41 | blondie | there's nothing to scroll to |
| 20:35.47 | KingCrime | debian is installed on an usb hd so i need something special to select when configuring the kernel, but i don't know what :( |
| 20:35.55 | stew | blondie: ps -efwww |
| 20:36.02 | KingCrime | so i get an kernel-panic |
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| 20:36.04 | onetinsoldier | blondie: try export "COLUMNS=160" |
| 20:36.08 | kspath | blondie: My memory is blurred by solaris and bsd and linuxes of the years |
| 20:36.12 | dragonfly | in fedora, when i "exit" in say tty2 or tty3, the screen clears before going back to the login message...in debian it just goes to the login and the previous session is still visible....how can i make debian clear the screen before going to the login |
| 20:36.17 | stew | KingCrime: why are you compiling your own kernel instead of using a stock debian kernel? |
| 20:36.27 | blondie | stew: thanks that works |
| 20:36.32 | KingCrime | mh because it's smaller? |
| 20:36.33 | blondie | adjusting COLUMNS doesn't help |
| 20:36.35 | sep | KingCrime, just add the needed modules to boot your system to your initrd script module list |
| 20:36.41 | stew | dragonfly: echo "clear" >> ~/.bash_logout |
| 20:36.45 | onetinsoldier | blondie: ok, hmmm |
| 20:36.49 | kspath | blondie: Did you not have access to the manual page(s) for ps? |
| 20:36.50 | sep | KingCrime, and recreate the initrd |
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| 20:36.55 | dragonfly | thank you stew |
| 20:37.11 | KingCrime | mh yes but i don't know which modules are still needed :( |
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| 20:37.35 | dragonfly | stew, will that overwrite any other things in ./bash_logout or append it to the end? |
| 20:37.36 | blondie | kspath: maybe |
| 20:37.45 | stew | dragonfly: >> is append, > would be overwrite |
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| 20:38.07 | sep | KingCrime, you expect us to magicaly know your hardware and chipset. that's what you have lspci+google for. or you could cheet and boot knoppix and look at lsmod |
| 20:38.09 | kspath | blondie: w Wide output. Use this option twice for unlimited width. |
| 20:38.18 | dragonfly | will this do it for all users or just the current one? |
| 20:38.25 | KingCrime | i tried to use the config from the stock-kernel to compile a new one, but it gives me errors a lot |
| 20:38.30 | kspath | blondie: --columns n set screen width |
| 20:38.37 | KingCrime | the default 2.6 kernel is working |
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| 20:38.50 | stew | KingCrime: what errors? |
| 20:39.08 | stew | KingCrime: and if you are just using the stock config, why bother at all? |
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| 20:39.42 | goron | stew: The work around it to directly update xfonts-base with dpkg, but I don't see how to point dpkg to that package... |
| 20:39.44 | KingCrime | i thought i could select the default-config and uncheck the unneeded things |
| 20:39.52 | stew | goron: apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 20:40.02 | kspath | blondie: I have done that before. When being logged into solaris and bsd(s) and linux(s) at once. |
| 20:40.10 | KingCrime | so it will be definitly booting |
| 20:40.20 | goron | stew: well, that work around doesn't work for me. |
| 20:40.22 | KingCrime | but it didn't work |
| 20:40.24 | sep | KingCrime, if you _want_ you could just add _all_ needed modules in initrd. then after the initrd is made you can backup kernel and initrd and uninstall the kernel-images then boot on that kernel and initrd. it would complain about lib modules but it would work and save you the same space as a custom built kernel |
| 20:40.24 | stew | KingCrime: why not just use the default config, and just not load the unneeded modules (which is the default behaviour) |
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| 20:40.52 | sep | night now |
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| 20:41.10 | raf256` | what ever happened to marillat repo? |
| 20:41.14 | stew | goron: force xfonts-encodings to overwrite xfonts-base then |
| 20:41.38 | KingCrime | ok, you are right guys, i will think about before asking dumb questions again ^^ |
| 20:41.48 | stew | raf256`: nothing, why? |
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| 20:41.58 | goron | stew: And how would I do that? |
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| 20:42.05 | raf256` | stew: oh I think it was not working for some time... whats the url? |
| 20:42.14 | SerajewelKS | can someone recommend another media manager/player like amarok, preferrably one that doesn't skip whenever anything else uses like 5% cpu |
| 20:42.15 | goron | raf256`: AFAIK it still works. |
| 20:42.17 | blondie | kspath: yes, without bsd :| |
| 20:42.18 | stew | raf256`: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:42.19 | starfishy | how can I mark all debian packages on a system for reinstall in one fell swoop? |
| 20:42.23 | KingCrime | btw i'm german, hope my english isn't so bad ;) |
| 20:42.30 | stew | goron: dpkg --force-help |
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| 20:42.45 | stew | KingCrime: so far your english has been perfect |
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| 20:42.56 | KingCrime | cool :) |
| 20:42.57 | stew | starfishy: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 20:43.09 | KingCrime | that's nice to hear |
| 20:43.19 | kspath | blondie: ps on debian does a lot of support for BSD and SysV/unix styles of output. I find it confusing sometimes with Solaris and BSD and others ingrained and I an tired. |
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| 20:43.37 | onetinsoldier | !reinstall |
| 20:43.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 20:43.40 | SerajewelKS | KingCrime: actually there has been a slight mistake now and then, but you're better than most of the native speakers we get... |
| 20:43.43 | pipeline | kspath, blondie : Debian uses GNU ps, which is a (fairly) clean superset of BSD options and SysV options. |
| 20:43.52 | KingCrime | *lol* |
| 20:43.58 | pipeline | kspath, blondie : The catch to the cleanliness is that some SysV and some BSD options cannot be mixed |
| 20:43.59 | KingCrime | thx ;) |
| 20:43.59 | kspath | pipeline: I know thanks. |
| 20:44.01 | SerajewelKS | KingCrime: but yeah, it's very good, don't sell yourself short ;) |
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| 20:44.05 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i take a fence to that! |
| 20:44.11 | SerajewelKS | !beat abrotman |
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| 20:44.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you can take all the fences you want... |
| 20:44.34 | stew | abrotman: who axed u? |
| 20:44.37 | KingCrime | :) |
| 20:44.43 | abrotman | stew: ur mudder! |
| 20:44.54 | cureless | at least it's not an ubuntu question |
| 20:44.55 | stew | :( |
| 20:44.55 | [Gabe] | Hey guys, I installed a new kernel on Sarge (Xen Kernel), how do I make an initrd.img that includes my megaraid modules so I can boot the damn thing? |
| 20:44.56 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 20:45.04 | goron | stew: It can't reach the file, normally I have a .deb file when I install something via dpkg. |
| 20:45.09 | starfishy | stew: thanks |
| 20:45.10 | KingCrime | yeah btw how old are you homies? :D |
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| 20:45.24 | sebastien__ | hello |
| 20:45.33 | bztunk | KingCrime: one billion years |
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| 20:45.37 | Ronin | older then you if you use the word homies :) |
| 20:45.38 | stew | goron: /var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-encodings_xxx.deb |
| 20:45.44 | dark_shiva | hi every one, |
| 20:45.47 | KingCrime | :) |
| 20:45.56 | sebastien__ | someone has install xgl on sid ? |
| 20:45.57 | Azar | jelly you say that is ok to add stable sources on an etch ? and use dosbox in it? |
| 20:45.58 | kspath | KingCrime: Is Prussia still big in Europe? Is Bohemia still around? |
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| 20:45.59 | blondie | pipeline: ok but solaris ps doesn't have -w :) |
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| 20:46.04 | cureless | KingCrime: older than you, and some older than your parents and grandparents |
| 20:46.05 | stew | KingCrime: you reall don't want all 800 people in this channel to answer that, just assume most ages are covered |
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| 20:46.24 | KingCrime | :D i agree with you stew |
| 20:46.25 | cureless | some maybe even younger. |
| 20:46.31 | Ronin | ya its sort of like saying hi here and getting mad no one answers :) |
| 20:46.31 | sebastien__ | xgl on sid, ok ? |
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| 20:46.41 | raf256` | I love debian |
| 20:46.43 | stew | !debwiki sebastien__ Xgl |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | sebastien__: http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 20:46.53 | sebastien__ | thanks |
| 20:46.55 | KingCrime | @kspath what is that? never heard that names |
| 20:46.56 | ravenbird | KingCrime: okay |
| 20:46.59 | IceWolf0 | when should the swap start getting used? |
| 20:47.01 | martman | whats it called when you attempt to move from stable to unstable? |
| 20:47.04 | raf256` | one command that takes me 5 seconds, and I just wait while computers get all my soft installed =) |
| 20:47.05 | martman | not sure what to trfm on... |
| 20:47.07 | Ronin | IceWolf0: normally shouldn't |
| 20:47.09 | john_doe | I am annoyied by the waiting time starting up netatalk on boots. Can I make the startup of this process go to the background? |
| 20:47.09 | kspath | KingCrime: Do research. |
| 20:47.13 | KingCrime | ok |
| 20:47.16 | cureless | IceWolf0: never. |
| 20:47.18 | Ronin | martman: foolishness :) |
| 20:47.22 | martman | hehe |
| 20:47.26 | IceWolf0 | hmm |
| 20:47.29 | goron | stew: Ok, I am somewhat further now. |
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| 20:47.33 | thingfish | john_doe: apt-get install sysvconfig |
| 20:47.42 | john_doe | thingfish: I have that |
| 20:47.52 | cureless | IceWolf0: it depends what you're working on, but normal system operation shouldn't swap. If it does, you need to buy more ram. |
| 20:47.55 | thingfish | oh you want it in background, not off, sorry. |
| 20:47.55 | IceWolf0 | but i ran out of ram and swap didnt get used, its supposed to when u run out of ram |
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| 20:48.12 | cureless | IceWolf0: how do you know you ran out of ram? |
| 20:48.17 | Ronin | IceWolf0: linux will use whatever ram is there so just because 100% is used etc. |
| 20:48.37 | cureless | IceWolf0: running out of ram is different than using all ram. |
| 20:48.42 | IceWolf0 | becuause i have 6mb left i opened a window and it froze, usually dosent do that |
| 20:49.00 | cureless | IceWolf0: how do you know swap is not being used? |
| 20:49.02 | KingCrime | ah, in german we say "preußen" for Prussia ^^ |
| 20:49.16 | IceWolf0 | it says used 0kb and theres 1gb of swap |
| 20:49.31 | john_doe | isn't it possible to put a boot service in the background? Will I need to edit the startuo script? |
| 20:49.33 | cureless | IceWolf0: where? |
| 20:49.35 | KingCrime | mh but i don't really know what's going on there |
| 20:49.37 | sebastien__ | yes, i understand it is not possible for the moment?! |
| 20:49.39 | IceWolf0 | also web browser has been crashing like that too i suspect its the same ram problem |
| 20:49.50 | IceWolf0 | system resources and in free |
| 20:49.53 | vkat | i have addeed marillat in sources. how do i get it? i want to play vmw |
| 20:50.00 | Coweater | IceWolf0: how are you checking ram, are you accounting for buffers and cache? |
| 20:50.10 | john_doe | vkat: apt-get update |
| 20:50.18 | stew | IceWolf0: run "free" what how much ram is in the free column in the -/+ buffers/cache row? |
| 20:50.23 | vkat | john_doe: sure, apt-cache search marillat returns nothing |
| 20:50.40 | stew | IceWolf0: or what does "free | awk '/^-/{print $4}'" say |
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| 20:50.43 | cureless | vkat: install some packages, mplayer or something |
| 20:50.45 | KingCrime | mh what is the best browser on linux? i think firefox is quite good |
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| 20:50.52 | stew | !best |
| 20:50.52 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:51.03 | KingCrime | !best browser |
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| 20:51.06 | john_doe | vkat: AFAIK marillat is a source that serve different software. I don't know an application called marillat. |
| 20:51.10 | IceWolf0 | eatither way programs should not be crashing when they run out of ram |
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| 20:51.30 | vkat | mkay |
| 20:51.30 | stew | IceWolf0: how do you know they are running out of ram? |
| 20:51.43 | john_doe | KingCrime: I prefer opera. But it's not open surce. |
| 20:51.48 | IceWolf0 | becuase they jus freeze up |
| 20:51.49 | Coweater | IceWolf0: that's what we're trying to determine, i doubt they're running out of ram, answer the questions |
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| 20:51.59 | cureless | IceWolf0: look for what stew said, the "free" part of "free" (+/- buffers) |
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| 20:52.06 | IceWolf0 | and iv been looking at the ram when it freezes and when it dosent |
| 20:52.09 | cureless | IceWolf0: and yes, programs crash when you run out of ram. |
| 20:52.09 | stew | IceWolf0: how do you know they freeze becuase they are out of memory? |
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| 20:52.19 | stew | IceWolf0: what is in the "cached" column of "free" |
| 20:52.31 | KingCrime | mh, after all it is freeware @ john_doe |
| 20:52.36 | onetinsoldier | anyone want to take a crack at solving a problem i have with being stuck at 640x480 in X? i have a pastebin address of my log with xorg.conf at the end. video card is an ati x800 xt pe |
| 20:52.38 | IceWolf0 | theres 27mb in buffers |
| 20:52.49 | j233a | Hi all, I just installed Debian etch onto my laptop with a nvidia video card, and I got an external monitor hooked up and want to disable video on the laptop lcd, is there anyway to easily do this? (i'm running KDE) |
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| 20:52.56 | stew | he's not going to tell us is he |
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| 20:53.04 | Ronin | i suspect not |
| 20:53.10 | phazon | hello all |
| 20:53.10 | IceWolf0 | casched is 190mb |
| 20:53.13 | myren | my ntfs partition, even though mount is rw, and ntfs write is enabled in kernel config, keeps saying its mounted ro |
| 20:53.18 | cureless | IceWolf0: look at line 3: "-/+ buffers/cache ..." |
| 20:53.19 | myren | mount says its rw |
| 20:53.27 | IceWolf0 | and i kno they freeze because they jus stop responding and then crash |
| 20:53.28 | stew | IceWolf0: so you have 190megs available, things aren't running out of memory |
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| 20:53.40 | IceWolf0 | oh |
| 20:53.49 | Coweater | j233a: usually easiest way is using the fn key and whatever key switches lcd/external |
| 20:53.52 | IceWolf0 | it says Swap: 1105 0 1105 |
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| 20:53.59 | myren | frap, needs to mount clean in windows first |
| 20:54.05 | cureless | IceWolf0: the one before that. |
| 20:54.11 | Daedalus_ | myren: set your umask option in fstab |
| 20:54.13 | KingCrime | what time is it in the usa? |
| 20:54.14 | dli | myren, first, read help in kernel configuration about ntfs support |
| 20:54.22 | Azar | I am having hard time with apt-setup: no such command found |
| 20:54.23 | IceWolf0 | my bad -/+ buffers/cache: 144 224 |
| 20:54.23 | cureless | KingCrime: It is about 6 hours. |
| 20:54.31 | Daedalus_ | myren: see man mount and scroll down to your fs type (ntfs) |
| 20:54.33 | KingCrime | am or pm? |
| 20:54.38 | j233a | coweater: yah, but when I do that I loose half the display on the screen (it only displays half).. and if i start X with only on the external monitor, when KDE logs in it turns on both the lcd and the external monitor, i'm not sure which KDE setting is doing that (but KDM doesn't do it, only when logged into the specific user) |
| 20:54.46 | cureless | KingCrime: in other words, many times. 6 time zones. (kind'a) |
| 20:54.47 | myren | Daedalus_: yeah, i set uid. |
| 20:54.51 | Azar | I guess my etch is broken .. oh well |
| 20:54.56 | KingCrime | ah ok |
| 20:55.07 | kspath | KingCrime: Did you want to search for clock utils using apt-cache search keyword? |
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| 20:55.09 | Daedalus_ | myren: uid != umask |
| 20:55.10 | lss | Could someone tell me if hotmail.com is down? My kopete isn't signing on. |
| 20:55.17 | stew | IceWolf0: so you have 224 megs availabe, which means you are not running out of memory. If things are freezing on you, it could mean you have a bad memory module/motherboard, you might wanna run memtest86+ |
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| 20:55.47 | myren | Daedalus_: cant i just chmod it? |
| 20:55.48 | cureless | IceWolf0: what debian are you using? |
| 20:55.52 | Coweater | lss: the login server isn't responding, or not very fast anyway |
| 20:55.56 | IceWolf0 | sarge |
| 20:56.00 | lss | Coweater, thanks. |
| 20:56.20 | stew | IceWolf0: you most likely have a hardware problem |
| 20:56.23 | cureless | IceWolf0: do you have any "strange" packages or stuff from non official repositories? |
| 20:56.24 | jade | for sarge, why does nautilus always freeze when trying to open desktop folders? |
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| 20:56.36 | cureless | IceWolf0: if not then stew is probably right and you have bad hardware. |
| 20:56.37 | KingCrime | @kspath, know i know what i wanted, i'm still searching for a util which is updating my system-clock from an time-server |
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| 20:56.48 | KingCrime | now i meant |
| 20:56.54 | cureless | KingCrime: you want ntp |
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| 20:57.14 | Ronin | KingCrime: ntp |
| 20:57.14 | KingCrime | ah thanks |
| 20:57.15 | Coweater | lss: just real slow right now, probably just timing out |
| 20:57.22 | S4nD3r_ | so... |
| 20:57.25 | lss | Coweater, yeah. |
| 20:57.28 | IceWolf0 | no, i think u are right about the hardware, windows used to crash on me too about hardware problems, how exactly do i test it? i type memtest86+ and it says not found |
| 20:57.29 | S4nD3r_ | how do I install openofficeorg 2 ?? |
| 20:57.34 | KingCrime | o.O |
| 20:57.43 | S4nD3r_ | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
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| 20:57.56 | kspath | KingCrime: ntpdate and ntpd are useful |
| 20:57.58 | cureless | IceWolf0: you need to install it, get it from apt. Then you'll need to reboot. |
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| 20:58.07 | KingCrime | good, i will try |
| 20:58.13 | Rockj | can I add these to sources.list ? http://people.debian.org/~nobse/upload/vim/ (kinda want to try vim7) |
| 20:58.16 | IceWolf0 | ok |
| 20:58.33 | KingCrime | so im going to bed, hope to see you again soon :) |
| 20:59.06 | S4nD3r_ | Im trying to use this deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
| 20:59.09 | IceWolf0 | its probably a ram stick my friend gave me, but it usually works fine, should i take it out or leave it? |
| 20:59.11 | S4nD3r_ | but this is not working |
| 20:59.29 | kspath | !not working |
| 20:59.51 | S4nD3r_ | I have package broken openoffice.org-base (> 2.0.1) |
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| 21:00.23 | goron | stew: Ok, I have got X back, with some minor issues. Thanks |
| 21:00.25 | cureless | IceWolf0: test it with memtest first. But if you already had an idea, chances are, the memory is bad. |
| 21:00.29 | S4nD3r | It so strange |
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| 21:00.55 | blondie | what determines if "finger <user>" or "last <user>" will show them logging in? auth.log shows someone logging in lots but it's not recorded in the former two |
| 21:00.57 | oigres | Is there a simple way to restrict access to X for a particular user? |
| 21:01.29 | IceWolf0 | well back to the swap thing, if its not supposed to be used why waste a GB of space? |
| 21:01.44 | Ronin | who said its wasted? its there in case |
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| 21:01.52 | blondie | if some uses scp to my box, that won't show up as logging in? |
| 21:02.04 | S4nD3r | how to install openoffice.org 2 in my debian ?? |
| 21:02.24 | Ronin | S4nD3r: backports perhaps assuming its available? i havent looked |
| 21:03.05 | cureless | IceWolf0: you don't have to have a gig of swap. |
| 21:03.15 | S4nD3r | Ronin, do you have the mirror ?? |
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| 21:03.37 | stew | S4nD3r: did you follow http://bakckports.org/instructions.html ? |
| 21:03.38 | kspath | S4nD3r: You do understand that #debian points people to backports as an option. That does not mean that #debian directly supports backports. |
| 21:03.40 | FabParma | when i choos video driver during installation, Debian offers always vesa. i have a matrox mga g200 agp. what have i to do? |
| 21:03.42 | cureless | IceWolf0: swap depends a lot on the use you're going to give your computer. It varies by user/system/application. Who told you to use a gig of swap? |
| 21:03.42 | IceWolf0 | but im saying why do u need it if its not supposed to be used? |
| 21:03.49 | kspath | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:04.07 | stew | IceWolf0: if you want to use more swap, /msg dpkg swappiness |
| 21:04.09 | IceWolf0 | lol no1 told me to, it jus installed like that |
| 21:04.19 | cureless | IceWolf0: swap is used when you _really_ run out of ram. But it performs really bad when compared to memory, so it's basically for "emergencies" or for _very_ large jobs. |
| 21:04.36 | IceWolf0 | oh |
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| 21:04.54 | no0ke | !mirror |
| 21:04.55 | stew | that's not entirely true, you can increase swappiness and idle apps will be swapped out to increase cache space |
| 21:04.57 | no0ke | !mirrors |
| 21:04.57 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 21:04.58 | kspath | IceWolf0: You may want to do research on swap. |
| 21:05.03 | stew | no0ke: please /msg the bot |
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| 21:05.26 | cureless | stew: implementation details |
| 21:05.33 | FabParma | Duringe the install, debian offers always "vesa driver". i have a "matrox mga g200 agp", what i have to do? |
| 21:05.35 | stew | ? |
| 21:05.51 | stew | FabParma: use the "mga" driver |
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| 21:06.39 | FabParma | During the installation, Debian always offers "vesa driver". I have a "matrox mga g200 agp", what i have to do? |
| 21:06.40 | cureless | IceWolf0: but yes, stew is right, if you increase swappiness idle apps will be moved out of ram so you can have more cache. |
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| 21:07.05 | cureless | FabParma: The g200 has to be one of the best supported cards afaik. |
| 21:07.08 | FabParma | stew: i tried, but the X dont starts |
| 21:07.09 | kspath | FabParma: Study, Research, Read, Learn. |
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| 21:07.24 | Klavier | is there any ibm thinkpad r50e user here? |
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| 21:07.55 | FabParma | kspath: can i research in here? :-) |
| 21:08.06 | kspath | Klavier: Consider asking debian mailing list and/or searching debian mailing lists archives. |
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| 21:08.18 | stew | FabParma: what error do you get when it doesn't start? no screens found? |
| 21:08.20 | Ronin | FabParma: only after searching fails |
| 21:08.25 | IceWolf0 | well i dont have a problem with the system other than the little freezes here and there, but i only have 256mb of ram if i take out the other stick, and i cant find that swappiness thing |
| 21:08.25 | Ronin | :) |
| 21:08.52 | kspath | FabParma: I did not say anything about not asking in channel. I was implying that you lack knowledge you could gain without asking #debian or any other IRC channel. |
| 21:08.52 | Ronin | heh swappiness thing? :) |
| 21:08.53 | FabParma | Ronin: stew i cant remember |
| 21:08.58 | stew | IceWolf0: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 21:09.00 | FabParma | i have to try |
| 21:09.14 | FabParma | kspath: ii try and after i tell you |
| 21:09.26 | stew | FabParma: try it again, and put /var/log/Xfree86.0.log somewhere we can see it |
| 21:09.28 | phogg | I keep running into situtions with aptitude where I have "unment dependencies" where foo: Depends: bar (= version.0) where I've requested that bar be upgraded to version.1 and there is a newer version of foo which depends on the newer bar. Is there a way to make aptitude try to upgrade foo in cases like this? It would save me some tediousness. |
| 21:09.52 | saloxin | FabParma: grep EE /var/log/X*log and see if anything stands out |
| 21:09.52 | stew | phogg: are you mixing two different versions of debian? if so, which? |
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| 21:10.18 | FabParma | ok |
| 21:10.23 | phogg | stew: I'm mixing in some sid. Don't shoot. |
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| 21:10.34 | phogg | stew: sid with etch, I should add. |
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| 21:11.26 | S4nD3r | ... |
| 21:11.27 | Ronin | phogg: ewww |
| 21:11.27 | stew | phogg: do you set a default release by pinning or using Default-Release? (or whatever it is) |
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| 21:11.29 | S4nD3r | I possible to open a .odt file without openoffice 2 ?? |
| 21:11.30 | stew | phogg: in any case, can you give us a concreate example? |
| 21:11.39 | abrotman | .odt? |
| 21:11.43 | abrotman | or .dot? |
| 21:11.51 | stew | S4nD3r: iirc its just a gzipped xml file or something similar |
| 21:12.09 | S4nD3r | ummmm |
| 21:12.12 | phogg | stew: I can bring one the next time it happens. As to pinning, I do not currently have a default release set. |
| 21:12.17 | Bucciarati | zipped, not gzipped |
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| 21:12.42 | starfishy | as far as i know abiword reads odt |
| 21:12.44 | chealer | S4nD3r: if you mean "is it possible [...]", then yes |
| 21:12.53 | onetinsoldier | i moved a module out of it's dir so it wouldn't load(agpgart). now i put it back and rebooted but it won't load. can anyone help? |
| 21:13.03 | stew | phogg: if you didn't pin or set a default release, the testing sources are probably not doing anything for you since unstable will always have newer things available |
| 21:13.26 | emergo | how do I change the altenatives for java ? update-alternatives .... something isnt it ? |
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| 21:13.28 | stew | onetinsoldier: try running "depmod -a" and trying again |
| 21:13.43 | starfishy | indeed it does |
| 21:13.44 | stew | emergo: "update-alternatives --config java" |
| 21:13.44 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok... thank you! |
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| 21:14.17 | maurizius | sera |
| 21:14.18 | no0ke | United States ftp.us.debian.org /debian/ !m68k !s390 |
| 21:14.26 | no0ke | what's !m68k and !s390? |
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| 21:14.44 | streuner | different archs |
| 21:14.49 | kspath | no0ke: motorola68000 series |
| 21:14.56 | kspath | s390 is system390 ibm |
| 21:15.00 | stew | no0ke: m68k is the old motorola chipset that apple use to run on, s390 is an ibm mainframe, its saying that those arches don't have those particular packages available |
| 21:15.11 | zu22 | hi, i am stuck on dialup and don't have a cd burner, could someone burn me a full set of the latest unstable and mail it to me? i will pay for media costs and shipping. i'd really appreciate it. i am in the USA. |
| 21:15.13 | ogre | So I just rebooted into debian, and I keep getting the msg from "kenel" that "CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode" right after the msg "CPU0" Temperature above threshold" Could it be I'm getting that cause it's a hot day out? or do I need to see how dirty my case is? |
| 21:15.14 | stew | ^chipset^cpu |
| 21:15.28 | abrotman | zu22: go down to CMU and ask someone .. jeez |
| 21:15.43 | kspath | no0ke: There is a great deal of useful information at www.debian.org ? |
| 21:15.53 | no0ke | yes, there is |
| 21:16.10 | FabParma | I have an old PC, if i use "reiserfs" can improve the performance? |
| 21:16.14 | stew | the preceding public service annoucement was brought to you by kspath |
| 21:16.24 | emergo | stew: thank you, but I only got /usr/bin/j2sdk1.5 as an answer and I hav installed java 6 and added it to .bashrc, but this conflict I guess |
| 21:16.31 | abrotman | java6? |
| 21:16.33 | roadfish | Have installed 2.6.15 kernel but can't boot because udevd is complaining. Says z60_hdparm.rules is invalid rule. Rule tries to run "/etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug". As required, I did uninstall the hotplug package. What should I do to fix this udevd complaint? |
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| 21:16.42 | stew | emergo: what is java6? do you have a url? how did you install java6? |
| 21:16.51 | maurizius | nobody of you speaks Italian? |
| 21:16.54 | stew | !it |
| 21:16.54 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:16.57 | onetinsoldier | stew: that did the trick... thanks |
| 21:17.18 | maurizius | tnx |
| 21:17.25 | kspath | abrotman: you are slow go to 10Gb |
| 21:17.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:17.35 | abrotman | astronut: i see your post! |
| 21:17.44 | stew | roadfish: /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
| 21:17.57 | no0ke | !ph |
| 21:17.57 | dpkg | hmm... ph is Public Humiliation, or the Philippines |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | heheh |
| 21:18.14 | no0ke | !trick |
| 21:18.21 | abrotman | no0ke: /msg the bot please |
| 21:18.23 | stew | no0ke: please /msg the bot |
| 21:18.27 | no0ke | my fault |
| 21:18.29 | roadfish | stew: tnx |
| 21:18.29 | abrotman | !win me |
| 21:18.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 21:18.49 | abrotman | boogie nights? |
| 21:18.50 | kspath | abrotman: That is a crappy prize. You already have a lot of spam. |
| 21:18.52 | stew | abrotman: nah, /lastlog, i beat you by 14 minutes :) |
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| 21:18.56 | abrotman | kspath: not really |
| 21:19.01 | boogie | abrotman: well, no, not really - but great film. |
| 21:19.07 | abrotman | stew: i saw him earlier .. i thought he'd realized the error of his ways |
| 21:19.12 | boogie | don't get me started on paul thomas anderson. |
| 21:19.26 | FabParma | I have an old PC,at the moment i use "ext3fs" if i'd use "reiserfs" can i improve the performance? |
| 21:19.32 | emergo | stew: java sun com installed manually. JAVA_HOME in bashrc point to it |
| 21:19.34 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 21:19.35 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
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| 21:20.17 | Azar | gah etch gone |
| 21:20.26 | kspath | FabParma: Even if one FS is "faster" than another the question will also be related to will your hardware limit numerous things. |
| 21:20.27 | phogg | stew: Well well. I smell a do-over! Thanks. I will document the upgrade thing if it happens on a cleaner setup. |
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| 21:20.42 | abrotman | and who cares if the FS is faster .. if it's not reliable |
| 21:20.58 | kspath | abrotman: I agree. that is why I do not like ext3 |
| 21:20.58 | stew | emergo: then you'll have to setup the alternatives manually, man update-alternatives, look at --install, or you might wanna look at the .postinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info for the jre that was installed via a debian package |
| 21:21.00 | Azar | anyone experiencing hardships with apt or aptitude update? in etch? my sources all but mirrors.debian.org block me or died |
| 21:21.13 | stew | phogg: /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 21:21.14 | Azar | I had to abandon the etch box |
| 21:21.22 | phogg | abrotman: as a computer expert you are supposed to go ga-ga over high numbers. |
| 21:21.24 | abrotman | Azar: i put in a request .. seemed the best way to get you off of debian ... :) |
| 21:21.36 | abrotman | phogg: i do .. read the FS comparison factoid :) |
| 21:21.53 | tiCo89 | hmmm, is the debconf stream so unstable or is this a problem on my side? |
| 21:21.54 | Azar | abrotman: haha, well I am not sorry everything in Sarge look way better |
| 21:21.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:22.05 | abrotman | tiCo89: wicked unstable |
| 21:22.08 | kspath | phogg: high numbers on latency can be bad? |
| 21:22.17 | Azar | I only use mirrors.debian.org now any other mirror is dead or blocks me |
| 21:22.24 | tiCo89 | abrotman: argh :-(, i think the speech would be very interesting |
| 21:22.30 | abrotman | tiCo89: which one? |
| 21:22.38 | abrotman | tiCo89: they will archive them .. |
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| 21:22.46 | tiCo89 | abrotman: live |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | tiCo89: live? |
| 21:22.53 | zu22 | abrotman: i don't know anyone at CMU who is available |
| 21:23.09 | jind | Weird. The "patch" program does not work on my system. It simply does nothing. Even when replacing the package with another |
| 21:23.20 | emergo | stew: ok, but I guess I just cant do a update-alternatives --set java /home/name/javabindir then |
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| 21:23.24 | abrotman | zu22: go to staples .. but the CDs .. go find a nice young person to do it .. |
| 21:23.28 | abrotman | buy the CDs |
| 21:23.30 | stew | jind: what is the command you are typing? |
| 21:23.42 | stew | emergo: i'm not sure |
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| 21:23.57 | Azar | jelly: I have a question for you |
| 21:24.04 | abrotman | tiCo89: the porting session ? |
| 21:24.51 | astronut | abrotman: oh, it's up? cool, thanks! |
| 21:25.03 | tiCo89 | abrotman: yes |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | astronut: i already submitted you to the porn spam people |
| 21:26.01 | stew | heh |
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| 21:26.10 | abrotman | tiCo89: they will have it archived .. i know it's cool to watch live .. but so far .. i haven't been able to watch anything live because of the stream quality |
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| 21:27.48 | tiCo89 | abrotman: are already some of the passed speeches available? |
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| 21:28.23 | danilom | privatesrv:/home/danilo# aptitude update |
| 21:28.25 | danilom | Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho |
| 21:28.29 | danilom | Creando árbol de dependencias... ¡Error! |
| 21:28.31 | danilom | Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho |
| 21:28.33 | danilom | Creando árbol de dependencias |
| 21:28.35 | danilom | Leyendo la información de estado extendido |
| 21:28.36 | stew | danilom: stop |
| 21:28.38 | danilom | Inicializando el estado de los paquetes... Hecho |
| 21:28.39 | CiD|Alt | hi! is there any good disc image tool known which I can use to only save the real data on my harddrive for a system restore? I mean that I dont want a file that hast exactly the same size as my hd because I only got one. |
| 21:28.39 | danilom | Leyendo las descripciones de las tareas... Hecho |
| 21:28.41 | danilom | W: Aviso: no se pudo bloquear el fichero de caché. Abriendo en modo de sólo lectura. |
| 21:28.43 | danilom | E: No se pudo bloquear /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Recurso no disponible temporalmente) |
| 21:28.47 | danilom | E: No se pudo bloquear el directorio de listas...¿es el administrador? |
| 21:29.02 | r_marvin | !es |
| 21:29.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:29.04 | onetinsoldier | !tell danilom about es |
| 21:29.32 | stew | danilom: does "fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock" list a number or nothing? |
| 21:30.11 | r_marvin | are there videos from previous days talks at debconf available? |
| 21:30.13 | danilom | stew, run fuser /var/lib/apt/list/lock??? |
| 21:30.17 | phogg | CiD|Alt: you can use something as simple as: tar cjf / -l --exclude=/tmp > /tmp/everything.tar.bz2 |
| 21:30.24 | r_marvin | at the link in topic i can only find the schedule |
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| 21:30.36 | stew | danilom: that will list the process that has the file locked, which must be exited before you can run another copy of aptitude |
| 21:30.48 | FabParma | some one is using "jfs" as / ? |
| 21:30.51 | Mnabil | asocccccccccccccccc |
| 21:31.09 | danilom | stew ok im going to do fuser... |
| 21:31.23 | CiD|Alt | phogg: but in that case, I guess it's not possible to make a full restore of my os after a crash just with this file? |
| 21:32.22 | FabParma | some one is using "jfs" as " / " ? do you found improvements? |
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| 21:32.47 | phogg | CiD|Alt: if everything were hosed (bad hard disk) you would have to re-make the filesystem on a new device and then use a rescue disk to access the backup tarball and unpack it. Then install a bootloader and you're back. |
| 21:32.56 | danilom | stew: |
| 21:32.59 | danilom | privatesrv:/home/danilo# fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 21:32.59 | danilom | /var/lib/apt/lists/lock: 11666 |
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| 21:33.24 | kspath | FabParma: ext3 is a fairly "fast" FS. There is no majik. |
| 21:33.38 | jengelh | "fast" hah. |
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| 21:33.54 | jengelh | time ls -R /usr/src/linux >/dev/null |
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| 21:33.57 | jengelh | and come back :) |
| 21:34.01 | stew | danilom: so 11666 is the pid of the other aptidude / apt-get / dseelct or someother process you left running which is preventing you from running aptitude again, kill that process |
| 21:34.06 | jengelh | (in comparison to other fss) |
| 21:34.11 | kspath | jengelh: I put fast in quotes for numerous reasons. |
| 21:34.19 | FabParma | kspath: i saw the test |
| 21:34.25 | tiCo89 | abrotman: why do they not stream it on a machine with a good connection and this works as a repeater? |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | tiCo89: uh .. let's find out |
| 21:34.44 | FabParma | kspath: seems that "ext3" its very slow |
| 21:35.04 | kspath | FabParma: "seems" It depends what you are doing. |
| 21:35.13 | FabParma | kspath: http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 21:35.25 | abrotman | tiCo89: they said not yet .. but soonish |
| 21:35.29 | kspath | FabParma: Exactly. Not a debian issue. |
| 21:35.42 | FabParma | kspath: web browsing |
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| 21:35.57 | danilom | stew, im go to to it thanks! |
| 21:35.58 | evilbulgarian | hi, does anyone know where on a Windows 2003 Server ( Active Directory ) all the User accounts are? For some reason "CN=Users,DC=SMS,DC=AC" is not working? |
| 21:36.12 | stew | evilbulgarian: wrong channel |
| 21:36.30 | phogg | evilbulgarian: try #windows. |
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| 21:36.51 | jelly | FabParma: meh, use whatever fs you want if you have regular and valid backup images. |
| 21:36.56 | evilbulgarian | stew, phogg : this is for apache ldap auth |
| 21:37.23 | kspath | evilbulgarian: How does that make it a #debian issue? |
| 21:37.25 | stew | evilbulgarian: this is for debian |
| 21:37.29 | phogg | evilbulgarian: It's for authenticating to a non-Debian system. Ask in the appropriate forum. |
| 21:37.35 | kspath | evilbulgarian: #apache ? |
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| 21:37.50 | evilbulgarian | stew, phogg : asked there, ok thanks |
| 21:37.56 | CiD|Alt | phogg: okay, sounds fine so far. Is there any other, more simple method than this one? guess not so ;) |
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| 21:38.08 | CiD|Alt | (more comfortable?) |
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| 21:38.36 | phogg | CiD|Alt: probably (: I have never bothered to research it further because this is sufficient for what I need. You probably should. |
| 21:38.42 | s253126 | what is the latest stable kernel in testing ? |
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| 21:40.34 | FabParma | if i want change my file system with another, have i to reinstall all, or there is a sort of conversion? |
| 21:40.50 | azeem | s253126: you can search for things like that on packages.debian.org |
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| 21:41.26 | phogg | s253126: apt-cache search linux-image | grep ^linux-image | sort -r | tail -n 1 | cut -d- -f 3 |
| 21:41.41 | s253126 | thx |
| 21:41.46 | phogg | at least that kinda works |
| 21:41.51 | CiD|Alt | phogg: thanks, I guess Ill use your method, as well |
| 21:41.52 | CiD|Alt | ;) |
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| 21:43.19 | predius_ | anytone else having trouble watching the debconf stream? |
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| 21:43.41 | abrotman | predius_: everyone |
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| 21:43.53 | predius_ | hrm |
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| 21:44.15 | x`y`-xy | where i must modify ..for when i type the adress in IE ...i don't want to redirect me to http://blabla.bla/apache2-default/ |
| 21:44.24 | abrotman | predius_: i haven't been able to watch a single live feed .. tiCo89 was just asking about it too |
| 21:44.53 | predius_ | x`y`-xy: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
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| 21:45.52 | x`y`-xy | thanks ...i will try |
| 21:45.56 | CiD|Alt | phogg..hmm..using your command above, he gives me the message: I won't create an empty archive ? |
| 21:46.34 | phogg | CiD|Alt: probably the order of the tar options is not correct. Refer to the man page and fix it. |
| 21:46.43 | CiD|Alt | k. thanks |
| 21:46.46 | s253126 | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-modules-2.6.16-1-xen-k7_2.6.16-12_i386.deb |
| 21:46.46 | s253126 | (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-modules-2.6.16-1-xen-k7_2.6.16-12_i386.deb (--install): |
| 21:46.49 | phogg | CiD|Alt: or, just add - after cjf |
| 21:46.49 | s253126 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.58 | s253126 | i get that error msg for every package i try to install |
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| 21:47.48 | zirikili | hi guys... is there a specific device for sound card line in ? |
| 21:48.02 | predius_ | zirikili: what do you mean? |
| 21:48.09 | phogg | CiD|Alt: seriously, the tar thing is only for the quick and dirty. There are better options if you really need backups. |
| 21:48.33 | kspath | s253126: Sarge/Stable? Etch/Testing? Sid/Unstable? When/how did it start? |
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| 21:48.47 | cureless | zirikili: you mean like /dev/dsp? |
| 21:49.02 | s253126 | kspath: etch it started after a apt-get upgrade yesterday |
| 21:49.11 | zirikili | predius_: I am using a connection to my sound card via line-in port. |
| 21:49.15 | zirikili | cureless: yes |
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| 21:49.23 | cureless | zirikili: well, use that. |
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| 21:49.47 | lss | Hey, quick question.. I need a program like DBpower amp, to convert down a batch (about 10) mp3 files to 128kbps quality. Is there any tool for linux to do this? Thanks |
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| 21:50.08 | s253126 | kspath: i just did an apt-get upgrade and it downloaded a new version of dpkg but i cant install it |
| 21:50.19 | kspath | lss: apt-cache search MP3 |
| 21:50.31 | FabParma | if i want change my file system with another, have i to reinstall all, or there is a sort of conversion? |
| 21:50.47 | predius_ | FabParma: some have, but it's NOT nice. |
| 21:50.49 | cureless | FabParma: what do you want to change from/to? |
| 21:51.19 | predius_ | you're risking data loss and such. |
| 21:51.21 | FabParma | cureless: from ext3 to jfs |
| 21:51.31 | cureless | FabParma: why do you want to change? |
| 21:51.41 | FabParma | cureless: or riser |
| 21:51.50 | cureless | FabParma: but why? |
| 21:51.55 | zirikili | cureless: well. let me try to tell what I am doing. I am using a tv tuner. but the video and sound comes from different sources. |
| 21:51.58 | FabParma | cureless: ii have a old disk |
| 21:52.13 | cureless | zirikili: what's wrong with /dev/dsp? |
| 21:52.18 | FabParma | cureless: my break are in the disk |
| 21:52.28 | zirikili | cureless: I don't know :) |
| 21:52.47 | FabParma | cureless: my brake are in the disk |
| 21:53.04 | cureless | FabParma: I still don't know why you want to change the filesystem type or how that's related to the disk you have. |
| 21:53.57 | FabParma | cureless: i hope to speed up the system, specially the disk latency |
| 21:54.13 | predius_ | FabParma: is it a desktop? |
| 21:54.22 | FabParma | predius_: yes |
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| 21:54.35 | predius_ | you won't get much difference. |
| 21:54.36 | cureless | FabParma: how much speedup do you expect from the other filesystems? |
| 21:54.54 | FabParma | 10-15% |
| 21:55.08 | FabParma | cureless: 10-15% |
| 21:55.17 | cureless | FabParma: you'll need very specific access patterns to achieve that. |
| 21:56.07 | cureless | zirikili: are you using /dev/dsp or not? |
| 21:56.17 | FabParma | cureless: can i convert the fs w/o reinstall? |
| 21:56.32 | cureless | FabParma: Don't convert the filesystem you won't get anything out of it. |
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| 21:56.57 | FabParma | cureless: ok |
| 21:57.22 | cureless | FabParma: about the reinstall, it only depends if it's your root filesystem. If it is you need to reinstall. Otherwise you might just need to recopy all the files in that specific partition. |
| 21:57.50 | onetinsoldier | anyone want to try and figure out why i'm stuck with only having 640x480 available for X? i have a pastebin address that shows my log with my xorg.conf at the end if you want to look at it. video card is an ati x800 xt pe. kernel is a custom compiled 2.6.15 with 'agpgart' and 'radeon' compiled as a modules. |
| 21:58.15 | cureless | onetinsoldier: what debian are you running? |
| 21:58.30 | cureless | onetinsoldier: and do you really need the custom kernel? |
| 21:58.31 | zirikili | cureless: yes. maybe the the is in somewhere else. I'm trying to stream the video and sound over net :) |
| 21:58.36 | onetinsoldier | well, that coul be the problem, maybe.... etch |
| 21:58.40 | onetinsoldier | *could |
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| 21:58.53 | Azar | this is silly I forgot and I can't find how to get info on my cpu? |
| 21:58.57 | kabraxis | checking for crypt in -lcrypt... (cached) yes |
| 21:58.57 | kabraxis | configure: error: Cannot find rfc822.h. Please check your c-client installation. |
| 21:59.04 | cureless | Azar: /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:59.08 | kabraxis | somebody can help how to solve this problem? |
| 21:59.10 | Azar | thank you cureless |
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| 21:59.24 | NiUZZ | italiani? |
| 21:59.31 | Azar | !it |
| 21:59.31 | cureless | onetinsoldier: I don't think that's the problem. Do you really need the custom kernel though? |
| 21:59.31 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:59.56 | onetinsoldier | cureless: there are a number of reasons for having a custom kernel. but no, i can't say i 'require' it. but there are advantages to compiling your own kernel... so i did. |
| 22:00.11 | cureless | zirikili: I don't really know what you are saying or where you are stuck |
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| 22:00.26 | jshoenberger | How do I install a .deb file? |
| 22:00.28 | cureless | onetinsoldier: solve your problem with the debian kernel first, _then_ customize your kernel. |
| 22:00.35 | cureless | jshoenberger: dpkg -i xxx.deb |
| 22:00.38 | jshoenberger | thanks |
| 22:00.48 | Azar | cureless: I get permission denied? as root? |
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| 22:00.58 | cureless | Azar: just cat the file |
| 22:01.07 | Azar | ah sorry dumb me |
| 22:01.44 | zirikili | cureless: ok...thank you anyway |
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| 22:02.25 | diowork | what the linux options for a exchange like messeging platform that will play nice (sync) with outlook for email and calandar |
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| 22:03.03 | cureless | diowork: depends. For email anything using imap will probably be good enough. |
| 22:03.07 | FabParma | i cant remember the clonig tolls, can you halp me g4 an something its like ghost for ms |
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| 22:03.34 | cureless | diowork: for calendar it's a little more tricky. evolution might have something that can help you out. |
| 22:03.41 | CiD|Alt | good night |
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| 22:03.54 | s253126 | how to remove package information about a certain package in apt-cache ? |
| 22:03.55 | cureless | FabParma: at what level do you want to clone? |
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| 22:04.08 | stew | s253126: apt-get remove pacakgename |
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| 22:04.12 | FabParma | cureless: the disk |
| 22:04.18 | FabParma | cureless: hdd |
| 22:04.20 | cureless | FabParma: you probably want to use dd |
| 22:04.31 | s253126 | stew: my dpkg has a bug, it doesnt work |
| 22:04.38 | stew | s253126: what bug? |
| 22:05.03 | Coweater | FabParma: it's g4u |
| 22:05.07 | FabParma | cureless: i used one very nice, the name was more or less g4 do you know it? |
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| 22:05.25 | s253126 | stew: (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing r-base (--remove): |
| 22:05.25 | s253126 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.27 | stew | s253126: does /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list exist? |
| 22:05.31 | FabParma | Coweater: yes, exactly |
| 22:05.36 | onetinsoldier | cureless: well, i think i might keep asking until there's someone that wants to have a look at the pastebin. i might try a debian kernel but right now i don't think there's much of anything wrong with the nice custom kernel i took a lot of time going through to configure to my hardware and tastes. i won't count out that there could be though. thanks anyway. |
| 22:05.41 | FabParma | Coweater: thanks |
| 22:05.54 | cureless | onetinsoldier: what's your pastebin? |
| 22:06.27 | s253126 | stew: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list is not a regular file (use -f to see it) |
| 22:06.36 | s253126 | output of less |
| 22:06.46 | stew | s253126: what does "file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list" say it is? |
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| 22:06.59 | s253126 | file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list |
| 22:06.59 | s253126 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list: ERROR: invalid mode 00 |
| 22:07.08 | onetinsoldier | cureless: if yo look at my xorg.conf at the end, i have since changed the driver to 'radeon' if that makes any difference. here's the address.... http://pastebin.ca/56158 |
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| 22:07.24 | stew | s253126: chmod 644 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list |
| 22:07.46 | s253126 | chmod 644 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list |
| 22:07.46 | s253126 | n0190:/var/cache/apt/archives# file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list |
| 22:07.46 | s253126 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list: ERROR: invalid mode 0644 |
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| 22:08.13 | stew | s253126: what is the output of "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list" |
| 22:08.28 | s253126 | ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list |
| 22:08.28 | s253126 | ?rw-r--r-- 1 32256 root 10056 2006-05-04 13:21 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvte4.list |
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| 22:09.05 | diza | how can i change my ctrl+alt+fkeys font |
| 22:09.13 | stew | s253126: it looks like you have filesystem corruption |
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| 22:09.18 | SerajewelKS | diza: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:09.18 | diza | like that console or whatever the eff its called |
| 22:09.24 | s253126 | stew: how can i fix it |
| 22:09.25 | SerajewelKS | diza: the VT font |
| 22:09.32 | stew | s253126: what filesystem is /var on? |
| 22:09.33 | s253126 | fsck ? |
| 22:09.41 | s253126 | ext3 |
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| 22:10.08 | stew | s253126: yeah, you should probably boot to single user mode or a livecd to check it |
| 22:10.23 | s253126 | how to boot to single user mode |
| 22:11.09 | onetinsoldier | do you use grub to boot? do you get a grub menu when booting? |
| 22:11.13 | diza | SerajewelKS, i did that and all it does is ask me about my keymap? |
| 22:11.19 | cureless | onetinsoldier: do you have dual monitors? |
| 22:11.31 | stew | s253126: telinit 1 |
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| 22:11.50 | onetinsoldier | cureless: no. just one lcd monitor plugged into the dvi port |
| 22:12.18 | cureless | onetinsoldier: your xorg sees it as crt2. |
| 22:12.36 | onetinsoldier | stew: that take you straight to single user mode? i'm quite rusty |
| 22:13.11 | stew | onetinsoldier: yes, runlevel 1 is single user by default. 2-5 are multiuser by default (man telinit) |
| 22:13.14 | s253126 | brb |
| 22:13.28 | onetinsoldier | cureless: hang on |
| 22:13.29 | stew | s253126: "telinit 2" gets you back, btw |
| 22:13.45 | s253126 | okie ill do it now |
| 22:14.08 | onetinsoldier | stew: cool... thx. i forgot about telinit until seeing your msg |
| 22:15.13 | dli | where are the files for the gnome applications menu? |
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| 22:16.24 | cureless | onetinsoldier: you should paste your config file too |
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| 22:17.25 | diza | How do i change my VT font |
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| 22:17.50 | diza | i would like to make it smaller |
| 22:18.37 | FabParma | if i install kdm instead thet gdm, can i have improvements using kde desktop enviroment? |
| 22:18.48 | onetinsoldier | cureless: EDID data from the display on port 1 ...Manufacturer: SAM Model: 1d0 Serial#: 1112683057 ...Digital Display Input ...Supported VESA Video Modes: blah, blah blah ...RADEON(0): Monitor name: SyncMaster RADEON(0): Primary: Connector -- DVI-I ...RADEON(0): Secondary: Monitor -- CRT |
| 22:18.50 | predius_ | diza: which terminal are you using? |
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| 22:19.23 | diza | tell me how i find out and i'll tell ya |
| 22:19.39 | kspath | diza: echo $TERM |
| 22:19.45 | stew | diza: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:19.49 | cureless | onetinsoldier: paste your config, your problem might be that you're using MergeFB |
| 22:20.01 | diza | 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 22:20.11 | onetinsoldier | cureless: looks to me that it sees the primary monitor as my samsung lcd in the dvi-i port |
| 22:20.22 | diza | it called me dumb too :\ if that helps |
| 22:20.28 | kspath | diza: How did you start/launch your "terminal" |
| 22:20.39 | diza | i pressed ctrl+alt+fsomething |
| 22:20.51 | kspath | diza: vty0? |
| 22:21.00 | diza | yeah i guess so |
| 22:21.03 | cureless | diza is talking about the console |
| 22:21.15 | onetinsoldier | cureless: as i did say... the config is at the end of the pastebin... and i have since changed the driver(from ati) to 'radeon' |
| 22:21.20 | stew | diza: switch to a vt, run "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, pick a mode, edit menu.list and put vga=0x344 (substituting 344 for your choice) in the # kopt= line, then run update-grub |
| 22:21.20 | kspath | diza: svgatextmode is one way among many |
| 22:22.14 | cureless | onetinsoldier: so you don't have MergeFB in your config? |
| 22:22.17 | kspath | diza: stew's message will be effective for a more permanent "solution" |
| 22:22.51 | FabParma | If I install "KDM" instead that "GDM", can I have improvements when I use kde desktop enviroment? |
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| 22:23.34 | onetinsoldier | cureless: what's mergeFB? merge framebuffer? what does that do? hehe... no. i don't believe i have that in my config. did you take a look at the config at the end of the pastebin? |
| 22:23.54 | stew | FabParma: it shouldn't make much of a difference besides what the login screen looks like |
| 22:24.11 | cureless | onetinsoldier: MergedFB is a method for having one FB for multiple monitors. It shows up in your output. (I use it with an X300 for dual screen) |
| 22:24.28 | onetinsoldier | cureless: ahhh. cool |
| 22:25.28 | diza | there is no /usr/sbin/hwinfo |
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| 22:26.09 | stew | !find sbin/hwinfo |
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| 22:26.12 | onetinsoldier | diza: i haven't been following your conversation but you could try apt-get install hwinfo ...? |
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| 22:26.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/hwinfo' (1): (/usr/sbin/hwinfo) in admin/hwinfo. |
| 22:26.22 | aarkerio | how can I know what Debian branch is installed? |
| 22:26.28 | pbryan | Anyone have experience with UML? |
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| 22:26.43 | FabParma | stew: when i close session in kde the system still blocks |
| 22:26.46 | kspath | diza: apt-get install hwinfo |
| 22:26.51 | diza | yeah |
| 22:26.54 | diza | :P |
| 22:26.57 | stew | FabParma: what do you mean? |
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| 22:27.30 | s253126 | stew: its fixed |
| 22:27.30 | onetinsoldier | i did a hwinfo --monitor once.. system totally locked. had to power off.. arrggh |
| 22:27.44 | diza | also where is menu.list |
| 22:27.51 | stew | s253126: fsck fixed it? |
| 22:28.04 | FabParma | stew: i found problem when i switch off or when i log off |
| 22:28.08 | stew | diza: /boot/grub or /boot/boot/grub |
| 22:28.23 | diza | ok |
| 22:28.24 | hazard_ | How do I have a long disk scan? (like one to in length look for bad blocks etc) |
| 22:28.27 | stew | FabParma: what exactly is the problem? |
| 22:28.33 | s253126 | stew: yes , fsck -r did, there is still some errormsg with libvte4 in dpkg but dpkg continues after it |
| 22:28.38 | cureless | onetinsoldier: try to add the option: Option "MergedFB" "false" to your device section and try again. |
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| 22:28.42 | kyo | Somebody can tell me, What can I do? I have somo problems:(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist.(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory).(WW) ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected! in the xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:28.54 | dli | hazard_, depends, but elaborate |
| 22:28.56 | FabParma | stew: the system dont responds, its blocked. but only using kde |
| 22:29.05 | stew | s253126: what is the error now? "apt-get install --reinstall libvte4" might be a good idea |
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| 22:29.08 | onetinsoldier | cureless: ok.. give me a little time and i will try that option! |
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| 22:29.12 | hazard_ | well, I've got a machine with a crappy drive, that gives read errors in the middle somewhere |
| 22:29.24 | stew | FabParma: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 22:29.30 | wojtek | hello, anybody from PL ? |
| 22:29.30 | stew | actually that won't have anything |
| 22:29.35 | s253126 | stew: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libvte4' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 22:29.37 | hazard_ | I know it works, or at least 98 has no issues with it after 98's "full format"... |
| 22:30.08 | kspath | hazard_: 98? |
| 22:30.09 | FabParma | stew: in more kde don offer to reboot o shutdown |
| 22:30.15 | hazard_ | win 98 |
| 22:30.27 | wojtek | i have a small problem, i can1t install kde-i18 :( would you help me ? |
| 22:30.33 | stew | s253126: so fsck fixed that file by removing it. i'd definately --reinstall that package |
| 22:30.44 | stew | FabParma: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:30.50 | wojtek | thx |
| 22:31.04 | FabParma | stew: ok |
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| 22:31.06 | stew | wojtek: why can't you, what command are you using and what error are you getting? |
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| 22:31.20 | onetinsoldier | cureless: so in the Device section the line should look like this...? Option MergedFB false |
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| 22:31.39 | hazard_ | any one know how? |
| 22:31.54 | cureless | onetinsoldier: you might need quotes around MergedFB and false. |
| 22:31.59 | onetinsoldier | k |
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| 22:32.15 | spaniard | anyone now why iget this message when running or starting |
| 22:32.16 | spaniard | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.35 | stew | spaniard: its not started, run "mysqld" from the command line to see why its not starting |
| 22:32.49 | spaniard | that message |
| 22:33.07 | elopes | helo |
| 22:33.07 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
| 22:33.42 | kspath | Stevie-O: This is not an MTA. |
| 22:33.58 | diza | after i put vga=0x344 do i have to reboot, or what? |
| 22:34.21 | kspath | diza: Did you follow stew's directions? |
| 22:34.27 | diza | yes |
| 22:34.36 | onetinsoldier | cureless: ok, done. should i just try to startx now? |
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| 22:35.45 | stew | diza: run update-grub and reboot. note, that if somehting goes wrong after the reboot and you can't see anything, you will want to use grub's edit capability (by hitting e) to change the vga=0x344 to vga=normal in order to boot with the normal font again |
| 22:35.53 | hazard_ | ok, so anyone know how to have debian do a 'full' format and verify of an msdos file system harddrive? |
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| 22:36.02 | s253126 | i just installed the kernel image for 2.6.16, how to install the initrd.img for that kernel now ? |
| 22:36.04 | diza | k |
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| 22:36.31 | stew | s253126: the .postinst script took care of creating one for you as long as the package installed without errors |
| 22:36.54 | s253126 | stew: there werent errors but the file is not in /boot |
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| 22:37.11 | Mammut | good evening |
| 22:37.17 | Mammut | Hi |
| 22:37.27 | stew | s253126: then --reinstall the kernel, there must have been an error |
| 22:37.31 | Blain | Howdy folks |
| 22:37.43 | onetinsoldier | cureless: are you still here? |
| 22:38.01 | stew | s253126: or actually you can probably dpkg-reconfigure it |
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| 22:38.38 | Blain | I'm trying to get my knoppix cd to eject on a relatively new install of sarge under KDE. KDE won't eject it, and the open button isn't working. |
| 22:38.40 | onetinsoldier | cureless: don't leave me now... i have something very important to say! ;-) |
| 22:39.18 | cureless | onetinsoldier: tell me |
| 22:39.19 | Blain | And, now that I said that, the eject button works. You guys are great. Thanks. |
| 22:39.26 | cureless | though I'm in/out |
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| 22:40.25 | onetinsoldier | cureless: ok.. what i want to say is... OMFG! it works! thank you! i've been trying get someone on here to solve this problem for a few days now.. hehe. you da man! |
| 22:40.47 | cureless | onetinsoldier: no prob, enjoy all of your display. :-) |
| 22:40.53 | onetinsoldier | I WILL |
| 22:41.01 | onetinsoldier | you can count on that! |
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| 22:41.16 | s253126 | stew: kernel reinstalled without errors, the kernel image is in /boot the initrd.img isnt |
| 22:41.28 | onetinsoldier | i've been wanting something other than 640x480 soo badly |
| 22:41.33 | cureless | onetinsoldier: soon you'll want another monitor, then you'll have to remove that line so you can use mergedfb. |
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| 22:42.10 | s253126 | stew: Setting up linux-image-2.6.16-1-xen-686 (2.6.16-12) ... |
| 22:42.10 | s253126 | n0190:/boot# ls /boot/initrd*2.6.16* |
| 22:42.17 | s253126 | ls: /boot/initrd*2.6.16*: No such file or directory |
| 22:42.18 | VlivE | anyone know much here about matrox video cards g550 |
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| 22:43.37 | michal_ | hi, does anyone here understand how to use rdiff to create a binary diff which can be used to patch the source file to the destination file? the terminology in the man page is completely incomprehensible to me |
| 22:44.18 | onetinsoldier | cureless: i do have another monitor in the closet, but it's a hulking 21" NEC FP1370 CRT. my desk doesn't fit more than one monitor. the Samsung 214T LCD i'm using right now is an even larger and nicer display and so it's all i'll be using. |
| 22:44.27 | roadfish | during udev installation, am getting this message: |
| 22:44.27 | roadfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.27 | roadfish | What is the problem here and how can I fix this? Barring a fix, is there a way that I can step througt installation to learn when the message is triggerd? |
| 22:44.44 | s253126 | stew: the package doesnt even contain the file i just found out |
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| 22:45.05 | stew | s253126: kernel pacakges never contain an initrd, its generated by the .postinst script |
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| 22:45.11 | stew | s253126: i dunno then. check /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.16-1-xen-686 for a README(.Debian). check the bts |
| 22:45.43 | Mammut | [root@s-001 dev]# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom |
| 22:45.44 | Mammut | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, |
| 22:45.44 | Mammut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.44 | Mammut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.44 | Mammut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.48 | michal_ | for example wtf is a signature file in rdiff terminology? |
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| 22:46.46 | elopes | wpad |
| 22:47.12 | elopes | i am problem wpad |
| 22:47.34 | roadfish | Is there any way to step through an installation script to find out what is generating an error message? |
| 22:47.40 | michal_ | god this is frustrating :( |
| 22:47.47 | stew | roadfish: put "set -x" at the top of the script |
| 22:48.48 | Mammut | What is on the command wrong: |
| 22:48.48 | Mammut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.48 | Mammut | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, |
| 22:48.48 | Mammut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.48 | Mammut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.07 | hazard_ | how do you format a drive as ex2fs? |
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| 22:49.17 | stew | hazard_: with mkfs.ext2 |
| 22:49.23 | stew | !tell Mammut about flood |
| 22:49.27 | hazard_ | any options I should know about? |
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| 22:49.42 | roadfish | stew: thanks for the tip. So, I would have to edit the Debian package (which I have never done before). Before taking that plunge, is there a way to induce "set -x" without editing the install script? |
| 22:49.56 | dli | hazard_, or "mke2fs" |
| 22:50.05 | roadfish | ... alternatively, are there good tools for editing a Debian script? |
| 22:50.06 | stew | roadfish: just edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
| 22:50.13 | elopes | #ddns-update-style none; |
| 22:50.13 | elopes | #default-lease-time 600; |
| 22:50.13 | elopes | #max-lease-time 7200; |
| 22:50.14 | elopes | #option wpad code 252 = text; |
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| 22:50.17 | roadfish | stew: ok, thanks |
| 22:50.18 | Dinoz00r | when i shutdown i see text instead of a splash. how do i change it? |
| 22:50.33 | Mammut | Hi what is wrong wirh this command? mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom |
| 22:50.38 | stew | Mammut: nothing |
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| 22:51.06 | stew | Mammut: if that is giving you an error, then either /dev/hda is not your cdrom drive, or the media in the drive is unwritten |
| 22:51.21 | tkup | I have proftpd setup and a box connected to an NIS server. When I login with a local user account, I get in. However, NIS accounts don't get in. I get a somewhat delay (5-10? seconds) and then login incorrect. what could i be doing wrong? |
| 22:51.24 | stew | Mammut: what are you trying to mount? some cd you burned? a blank cd? an audio cd? |
| 22:51.30 | Mammut | mhh, its 100% the right device |
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| 22:51.42 | Mammut | I have some scsi drives in my server but is that the problem ?!? |
| 22:51.45 | tkup | as far as I remember when I debugged this -d10, I get "no such user". however, ypmatch and ypwhich point to the right nis server |
| 22:51.57 | stew | Mammut: then the disk in the drive doesn't contain a valid filesystem |
| 22:52.02 | Mammut | A buyed dataDVD |
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| 22:52.13 | Dinoz00r | when i shutdown i see text instead of a splash. how do i change this to silent? |
| 22:52.14 | Azar | amphetamine is cool |
| 22:52.16 | stew | Mammut: does it mount with "-t auto" ? |
| 22:52.19 | row | I have a completely legit version of austin powers 1 dvd and it refuses to play in mplayer/vlc/xine yet plays fine in windows vlc, I can get as far as "DVD successfully opened" in mplayer however xine gives error "Error reading NAV packet." anyone got any ideas? |
| 22:52.23 | Dinoz00r | plz |
| 22:52.33 | Azar | tarzeau, that would fully replace for my game |
| 22:52.48 | Mammut | /dev/hda: Input/output error |
| 22:52.49 | hazard_ | now, if I'm using the drive off a bootable CD, will the ex2fs's journaling be goofed up or anything? |
| 22:53.08 | dli | Mammut, dvd is not iso format |
| 22:53.13 | tarzeau | Azar: i'd rather have LSD |
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| 22:53.30 | Azar | :) tarzeau did you tried amphetamine? |
| 22:53.32 | stew | hazard_: ext2 doesn't have journaling |
| 22:53.36 | tarzeau | Azar, i found a new game |
| 22:53.42 | Azar | is same concept as mystic towers |
| 22:53.42 | hazard_ | shows what I know. |
| 22:53.51 | Azar | tarzeau: what game? |
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| 22:54.00 | Mammut | stew, dli, I check the dvd now ... |
| 22:54.02 | tarzeau | Azar: oki |
| 22:54.07 | stew | hazard_: ext3 is journaling, if that's what you meant, then the answer is no |
| 22:54.10 | elopes | alguem do brasil aqui |
| 22:54.13 | stew | !br |
| 22:54.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:54.15 | Azar | ah I tried it, did not liked much |
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| 22:54.42 | tkup | anyone familiar with nis and proftpd? |
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| 22:55.03 | hazard_ | stew: which would have better read/write fragmentation peformence (I don't really care about data reliability as its just being used as a temp drive) |
| 22:55.06 | SonnyBurnett | Hello does somebody have tried the LG GSA-H10N DVD rewriter in debian? does it work good? |
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| 22:55.14 | stew | hazard_: ext2 |
| 22:55.20 | hazard_ | okies. |
| 22:55.22 | hazard_ | thanks |
| 22:55.54 | aesxa | HI everyone. I have a question? My question is: I have a chroot 32-bit on an AMD64 system. It can't access partitions that it doesn't live on; i.e., /mnt, although this folder is in fstab. |
| 22:56.08 | aesxa | Maybe I need to also mount /dev in the chroot? |
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| 22:56.57 | stew | aesxa: you probably want to "mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev" before you chroot; and if /mnt is already mounted you might want to "mount --bind /mnt /chroot/mnt" |
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| 22:59.12 | Mammut | stew, dli, one Windows the FS is CDFS that means iso 9660 |
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| 23:01.27 | Azar | tarzeau, what a pitty, chrommium is looking nice but accelleration sucks on my pc |
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| 23:01.59 | onetinsoldier | what's chrommium? |
| 23:02.14 | kspath | GUI happy shiny crap |
| 23:02.14 | aesxa | stew, okay I'll give that a try. What does --bind mean? |
| 23:02.15 | thingfish | a fun game. |
| 23:02.27 | onetinsoldier | cool.. hehe |
| 23:02.50 | onetinsoldier | sounds shiny from the name of it |
| 23:02.51 | SynrG | stock debian k7 kernels of various vintage on a new motherboard + processor (K8 Triton GA-K8U) won't boot off sata. grub loads, but after scsi module is loaded it hangs: "Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sda/dev to show up" ... etc. |
| 23:02.58 | SynrG | ideas? |
| 23:03.19 | stew | aesxa: it just makes part of a filesystem accessible from a second path |
| 23:03.35 | Azar | SynrG: default BIOS setup? |
| 23:03.44 | Azar | sata controllers? |
| 23:04.01 | SynrG | sata controllers. if the bios were messed, wouldn't grub fail to work? |
| 23:04.15 | SynrG | i do get as far as grub booting the kernel ... |
| 23:04.24 | Azar | bios is not messed, some come with defaults not intended for your installing OS |
| 23:04.35 | SynrG | i've tried both ways. or so i thought. |
| 23:04.42 | SynrG | it gives me the option of RAID or IDE |
| 23:04.49 | SynrG | anything else to frob? |
| 23:04.53 | SynrG | i couldn't see any |
| 23:04.59 | Azar | heck never used grub: it supposed to do anything without you having to worry about |
| 23:05.17 | SynrG | sure. and normally i don't worry. but this one has me baffled. |
| 23:05.36 | Azar | I guess you have to learn how grub works: the "you don't need to worry about" myth is ... a myth |
| 23:05.54 | SynrG | but grub is, so far as i can tell, behaving just fine |
| 23:06.03 | Azar | I did my part and learned lilo. Now I stick with it |
| 23:06.03 | stew | yeah, this isn't a grub problem |
| 23:06.04 | SynrG | it finds and boots the kernel |
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| 23:06.14 | SynrG | the kernel then goes into lala land |
| 23:06.36 | Azar | SynrG: then you did not installed the right kernel that supports sata things |
| 23:06.41 | aesxa | stew, that doesn't work. The only way I'm able to access them is to unmount them in my 64-bit userland and then remount them in the chroot folder |
| 23:06.42 | SynrG | that's impossible |
| 23:06.50 | SynrG | Azar: this system booted from sata drives before. |
| 23:07.01 | SynrG | also, i'm using a stock debian kernel |
| 23:07.04 | SynrG | as i stated up front |
| 23:07.15 | Azar | SynrG: what system booted before? |
| 23:07.30 | SynrG | the one i'm rebuilding around this new motherboard & CPU |
| 23:07.33 | roadfish | I would like to add debug into to a postinst script. But when I edit the script, dpkg overwrites the script. If I run the script directly, I get "called with unknown argument. How can I run an edited script? |
| 23:07.37 | stew | aesxa: you have to be more descriptive than "doesn't work" |
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| 23:07.41 | Azar | SynrG: I have no idea what you are running |
| 23:07.44 | SynrG | same drives. same kernel. |
| 23:07.48 | SynrG | debian/sid |
| 23:07.48 | Azar | I am running... my mouth at you |
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| 23:07.54 | Azar | ah ok thanks |
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| 23:08.25 | stew | roadfish: what command are you running that is causing the script ot get overwritten? |
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| 23:08.27 | Azar | sid is the unstable and as such, is unstable, and chrashes , blips are expected, I am not running sid because I am not able to fix bugs |
| 23:08.50 | aesxa | stew, I ran the mount commands you suggested and went back to the chroot. It says no such file or directory as the mountpoint. |
| 23:09.33 | SynrG | Azar: that's patently ridiculous. also, I'm a DD and have happily run sid since 1995 or so. but thanks for the obligatory warning, anyway. :) |
| 23:09.35 | stew | aesxa: worksforme â„¢ |
| 23:10.07 | aesxa | stew:::::::::::: can you help me find out why it doesn't work for me : (((( |
| 23:10.21 | aesxa | stew: my other partitions are FAT32 and NTFS |
| 23:10.28 | SynrG | there are good reasons for not running sid, but "chrashes , blips are expected" aren't among them. |
| 23:11.09 | aesxa | SynrG, yeah that's why I don't use sid, I want my stuff to not crash. |
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| 23:11.22 | grendal_prime | i got this really cool avi of PLANE 9 FROM OUTERSPACE and it plays fine on my linux machine but on my boses windows machine. |
| 23:11.27 | SynrG | well, if something breaks on my sid system, i can often fix it. |
| 23:11.37 | stew | aesxa: does the --bind mount show up in "mount" when you run it from outside the chroot? |
| 23:12.06 | SynrG | but if i can't boot ... well, that's frustrating. was just hoping i'd find someone around with some experience with sata/kernel breakage on stock debian kernels. |
| 23:12.14 | grendal_prime | im assuming i need a codec installed on his machine... the sound works fine by the way just the video not playing |
| 23:12.15 | tarzeau | SynrG: checked all the games already? |
| 23:12.20 | stew | SynrG: so what changed from when it was booting to it not booting? the kernel? |
| 23:12.26 | roadfish | stew: I am using this command: |
| 23:12.27 | roadfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.28 | marco13185 | ROFL: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Christian |
| 23:12.31 | SynrG | stew: the motherboard & processor |
| 23:12.36 | tarzeau | SynrG: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:12.51 | SynrG | 2.6.x (11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 ... all in my /boot/grub) |
| 23:12.58 | SynrG | also 2.4.24 or so |
| 23:13.01 | aesxa | stew, actually no it doesn't. HMM that's interesting, only /proc and /sys do, although in fstab I'm mounting /proc, /sys, /tmp, /home, /mnt, and /dev |
| 23:13.08 | stew | SynrG: have you built a new initrd since switching motherboards? |
| 23:13.18 | SynrG | no. i can't boot ... :( |
| 23:13.23 | SynrG | catch22 |
| 23:13.25 | stew | SynrG: livecd? |
| 23:13.33 | aesxa | oh stew, it shows up in mount outside the chroot |
| 23:13.33 | stew | SynrG: or a d-i |
| 23:13.39 | SynrG | don't have one handy :/ i have my mindi boot CD |
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| 23:13.49 | SynrG | so it's just my initrd is missing the necessary modules, hm? |
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| 23:14.00 | onetinsoldier | what's the grep command to look for only the first two letters 'in'? |
| 23:14.01 | aesxa | stew but I thought you said mount from outside and check from inside. is that right |
| 23:14.02 | SynrG | stew: the machine with the burner is the one i'm trying to boot |
| 23:14.04 | K|NgGh0sT | Hey all |
| 23:14.09 | Shadowcat | right K|NgGh0sT there should be more people in here that can help you |
| 23:14.16 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks sha1sum |
| 23:14.17 | K|NgGh0sT | er |
| 23:14.25 | K|NgGh0sT | Shadowcat |
| 23:14.26 | SynrG | stew: and i wouldn't be replacing the mb & processor if the old mb & processor were bootable :/ |
| 23:14.52 | Azar | I did something half stupid: I am on the Sarge box, tried to add a source with apt-setup. For some reason apt-setup offered me "testing" sources. I did aptitude update and realized in time I am getting wrong updates so I did not upgrade. Now do I need to somehow clean the updated things I got? I did not upgrade. |
| 23:15.11 | SynrG | i'll have to hunt around and see if i really don't have a d-i or livecd of any description somewhere. |
| 23:15.12 | stew | SynrG: yeah, it's sounding like a catch22. if this mb has a different sata chipset then it is likely that the correct driver isn't in the initrd from the old one |
| 23:15.28 | SynrG | well, i *can* boot from mindi with a 2.4.x kernel |
| 23:15.29 | petemc | Azar: just run update again with the right sources |
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| 23:15.36 | SynrG | but it doesn't see the sata either |
| 23:15.40 | Azar | petemc thank you |
| 23:15.48 | aesxa | stew, it sees my /dev/sda1 now |
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| 23:16.18 | aesxa | but still says no such directory if I try to cd into it or no file if I try to use the file |
| 23:16.54 | onetinsoldier | Azar: apt-get clean? |
| 23:16.57 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm trying to get x windows and nvidia installed on my debian sarge... I removed x and I dont know howto get it reinstalled |
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| 23:17.41 | elopes | kk |
| 23:17.58 | aesxa | K|NgGh0sT, apt-get install x-window-system x-window-system-core ? |
| 23:18.01 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I configure the default window manager in VNC? |
| 23:18.15 | aesxa | no ? like I was asking if you tried that K|ngGh0st |
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| 23:19.00 | Foxure | is it a security risk to exe "mount --bind /home /var/chroot/apache2/home" ? |
| 23:19.13 | K|NgGh0sT | ya I did it now |
| 23:19.20 | aesxa | K|ngGh0st you don't need to remove X to install the nVidia drivers. |
| 23:19.46 | VlivE | anyone use a matrox g550? |
| 23:19.49 | K|NgGh0sT | Okay, then how do Ido it please |
| 23:20.19 | roadfish | how can I run a modified postinst script without "dpkg -i" or "apt-get install -reinstall" overwriting the script? |
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| 23:20.29 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 23:21.18 | aesxa | !tell K|NgGh0sT about nvidia |
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| 23:22.00 | geekunit | how do i restart my sshd service? |
| 23:22.15 | aesxa | geekunit, try /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 23:22.41 | aesxa | geekunit, or if it's closed already, /etc/init.d/sshd start |
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| 23:23.39 | K|NgGh0sT | slutb0x:~# startx |
| 23:23.39 | K|NgGh0sT | xinit: Server error. |
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| 23:24.46 | aesxa | hmmm.... K|NgGh0st, you're on Sarge? Try also xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:24.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:24.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:24.46 | SynrG | oh my goodness! |
| 23:24.46 | aesxa | hmmm.... K|NgGh0st, you're on Sarge? Try also apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:24.46 | SynrG | an old LNX-BBC CD boots and sees the drives ... |
| 23:24.47 | SynrG | i mastered this back in 2002 or so! |
| 23:24.54 | SynrG | it's using a 2.2.x kernel |
| 23:24.57 | K|NgGh0sT | ya I'm on sarge |
| 23:25.15 | K|NgGh0sT | I already have it installed |
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| 23:27.25 | flaco | hi, how can i know in wich port is running postgresql ? |
| 23:27.43 | epsilon | netstat? lsof? |
| 23:27.44 | bztunk | flaco: port one biliooooon! |
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| 23:27.57 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT vi /var/log/xfree86-log???, ... vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:28.06 | markybob | flaco, normally it's 5432, fyi |
| 23:28.48 | epsilon | .oO (ln -s jed vi) |
| 23:29.00 | stew | SynrG: you have a 2.2 kernel seeing sata drives? crazy. |
| 23:29.16 | bkudria | what should i do with my java-package packages if i want to use the "official" ones? will reinstalling my custom ones and installing the ones from non-free "just work"? |
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| 23:29.52 | K|NgGh0sT | adrakoa, done... but still get |
| 23:29.52 | K|NgGh0sT | giving up. |
| 23:29.53 | K|NgGh0sT | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 23:29.53 | K|NgGh0sT | xinit: No such process (errno 3): unexpected signal 2. |
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| 23:30.04 | roadfish | stew: I got it ... I should use "dpkg-reconfigure udev" |
| 23:30.07 | K|NgGh0sT | whoops |
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| 23:30.42 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT apt-cache show xbase-clients |
| 23:31.04 | AussieHatter | abrotman: do you know where i can go to ask a dns related question ? (bid9, debian sarge) |
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| 23:31.09 | sewi | hello, do you know a debrepository of python2.4 packages for debian sarge? |
| 23:31.16 | Nach | How can I reenable key repeating in X? Anyone know? |
| 23:31.38 | abrotman | AussieHatter: here? |
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| 23:32.11 | K|NgGh0sT | adrakoa, what package am I looking for? |
| 23:32.20 | abrotman | sewi: it's in sarge already .. apt-cache search python 2.4 |
| 23:32.28 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 23:32.39 | AussieHatter | I have a problem with a domain name that I want to be authoritative for, i host 10 or more others which are fine, but this new one, just doesn't want to be authoritate and i can't see why not |
| 23:32.46 | flaco | i run nmap... and postgresql is not show... but is running.. how can i know the port???? the 5432 is not working |
| 23:32.47 | K|NgGh0sT | already installed |
| 23:32.57 | abrotman | AussieHatter: oh .. so it has nothing to do with debian :) |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | flaco: it probably is working over lo .. but not eth0 |
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| 23:33.15 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 23:33.15 | dpkg | open ports is, like, netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 23:33.37 | AussieHatter | abrotman: no, this is the wrong place for this question, any ideas where to go ? |
| 23:33.42 | abrotman | AussieHatter: #dns or #bind |
| 23:33.47 | dli | when I scroll in firefox using touchpad, sometimes, firefox goes back for many pages |
| 23:33.50 | abrotman | AussieHatter: check and double check your config first |
| 23:34.07 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: poke... |
| 23:34.09 | abrotman | damog: are you hiding from me? |
| 23:34.16 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: hi! |
| 23:34.21 | AussieHatter | abrotman: i have over and over, i I can't see any problems, identical to the others |
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| 23:34.43 | K|NgGh0sT | maybe I should just format and reinstall |
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| 23:35.05 | abrotman | what is K|NgGh0sT trying to do? |
| 23:35.13 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT dpkg-reconfigure xbase-clients |
| 23:35.19 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: hello there |
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| 23:35.28 | K|NgGh0sT | k |
| 23:35.34 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: did you get it to work last night? |
| 23:35.34 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, tring to get x to work |
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| 23:35.48 | damog | abrotman: No. |
| 23:35.51 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:35.55 | damog | I'm on the hacklab webstreaming. |
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| 23:36.05 | abrotman | damog: eh? .. you're presenting? |
| 23:36.09 | damog | yes |
| 23:36.15 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: a nice fellow with the nick of 'clueless' got it working for me just a little bit ago! |
| 23:36.20 | abrotman | damog: when? |
| 23:36.30 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, /etc/X11/X is not executable xinit: Server error. |
| 23:36.33 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: my xorg didn't help at all? |
| 23:36.36 | damog | abrotman: Right now. |
| 23:36.45 | abrotman | STUPID DAMN STREAMS ARE BROKEN! |
| 23:36.45 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: nope |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | damog: well . .i can't watch it .. |
| 23:36.58 | damog | Bastard! |
| 23:37.03 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: what happened after applying the driver in that way? |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | damog: not my fault .. the streams are worthless |
| 23:37.15 | adrakoa | peace :) |
| 23:37.23 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: hang on a couple secs |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:37.34 | geekunit | exit |
| 23:37.42 | K|NgGh0sT | already is the newest |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | how are you trying ot start X? |
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| 23:38.12 | K|NgGh0sT | typing startx |
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| 23:38.39 | abrotman | damog: BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN |
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| 23:39.20 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: well, apparently what the deal was, was that the x-server was wanting to talk to 2 monitors and didn't want to work unless it was |
| 23:39.24 | alex117 | whats the name of the command for formatting a partition with some format? |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | mkfs ? |
| 23:39.42 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT ls -la /etc/X11/ | grep /usr/bin/ |
| 23:39.47 | diza | ok anybody can tell me how to change my console font that actually works |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | is he using sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 23:40.02 | diza | +? |
| 23:40.05 | K|NgGh0sT | sarge |
| 23:40.09 | K|NgGh0sT | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2006-05-16 19:06 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 23:40.20 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: correct, I mentioned that |
| 23:40.24 | myboxen | and asked if you had 2 |
| 23:40.29 | alex117 | oh i wasn't root thats why it didn't find mkfs :D |
| 23:40.38 | stew | diza: what happened when you tried what I suggested? |
| 23:40.38 | abrotman | sarge doesn't have xorg |
| 23:40.46 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT rm /etc/X11/X |
| 23:40.52 | stew | huh |
| 23:40.54 | alex117 | what do I need to use to partition a hd? |
| 23:40.58 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: changing for the 'ati' driver to 'radeon' didn't change anything or fix it. |
| 23:41.04 | K|NgGh0sT | I know sarge doesnt have xorg... I installed it... somehow |
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| 23:41.08 | diza | it said i returned an undefined mode number and then it said to press enter for a list or to continue press spacebar or wait 30 seconds |
| 23:41.25 | K|NgGh0sT | adrakoa, done |
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| 23:41.30 | diza | i pressed enter and selected 8 and it worked. but it does not stay if i reboot |
| 23:41.32 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: sorry, but i don't remember if i answered you that i only have one monitor |
| 23:41.43 | prock | is there a package that takes care of mounting devices in /media? or is it just setup by the debian installer and I can safely change it back to /mnt without clobbering anything...? |
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| 23:41.58 | abrotman | hey! |
| 23:42.02 | abrotman | synrg .. come back!~ |
| 23:42.14 | stew | diza: what did you put in vga= in menu.lst? |
| 23:42.38 | stew | adrakoa: why did you tell him to reomve /etc/X11/X ? |
| 23:42.45 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X |
| 23:42.51 | diza | the numbers it uses for are like vga=790 |
| 23:43.10 | diza | you told me to put vga=0x344 cept to replace 344 with whatever |
| 23:43.13 | abrotman | how did he get xorg? |
| 23:43.16 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You bring new meaning to the term slackass. I will have to invent a new term! |
| 23:43.26 | stew | diza: what mode were you trying to get? |
| 23:43.30 | stew | diza: what resolution? |
| 23:43.38 | K|NgGh0sT | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 23:43.39 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: assslack ? |
| 23:43.41 | K|NgGh0sT | when I startx |
| 23:43.51 | zinx | K|NgGh0sT: see dmesg |
| 23:43.51 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 23:43.54 | diza | it'd be nice to get 1024 |
| 23:43.56 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
| 23:44.29 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT now you have search driver nvidia |
| 23:44.30 | K|NgGh0sT | Debian Sarge 2.6.16-1-686 |
| 23:44.33 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: where'd you go? still here? |
| 23:44.48 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT apt-cache search nvidia |
| 23:45.00 | Azar | K|NgGh0sT: how did you got 2.6.16 kernel in Sarge? |
| 23:45.02 | stew | diza: then try 0x305 or 0x317 or 0x318 |
| 23:45.13 | K|NgGh0sT | Azar, I'm not sure |
| 23:45.25 | stew | diza: 790 was nowhere in the list output from hwinfo --frambuffer which is where i told you to find a number |
| 23:45.26 | Azar | K|NgGh0sT: nice anyways |
| 23:45.34 | diza | no you didnt |
| 23:45.38 | diza | you jsut told me to type it |
| 23:45.44 | diza | not find a number :\ |
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| 23:45.56 | diza | 790=default value already there |
| 23:46.04 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ... waht does it say ? |
| 23:46.10 | stew | 18:23 < stew> diza: switch to a vt, run "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, pick a mode.... |
| 23:46.25 | K|NgGh0sT | ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:46.28 | diza | pick a mode not a number :\ |
| 23:46.42 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you are not on sarge, that is etch or sid |
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| 23:46.51 | K|NgGh0sT | I was on sarge |
| 23:46.56 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you aren't anymore |
| 23:46.58 | abrotman | that's not even close to sarge |
| 23:47.00 | K|NgGh0sT | ah crap |
| 23:47.07 | K|NgGh0sT | one sec and I will |
| 23:47.11 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you will what? |
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| 23:47.26 | K|NgGh0sT | change waht kernel to use |
| 23:47.34 | K|NgGh0sT | via grub |
| 23:47.39 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you should first finish upgrading to testing or unstable |
| 23:47.55 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: if you still have xfree86 installed you haven't finished upgrading from sarge |
| 23:48.07 | K|NgGh0sT | I dont know how |
| 23:48.07 | diza | stew: where do i find the modes at? |
| 23:48.12 | stew | 18:23 < stew> diza: switch to a vt, run "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, pick a mode.... |
| 23:48.19 | diza | when i do /usr/sbin... |
| 23:48.35 | diza | it dont say no modes |
| 23:49.02 | adrakoa | i think xorg in unstable is now with a lot problems (i810 experence) |
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| 23:49.07 | stew | diza: then your hardware doesn't support any |
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| 23:49.17 | stew | diza: where did you run hwinfo? in an xterm? |
| 23:49.31 | diza | no ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 23:49.54 | K|NgGh0sT | Linux slutb0x 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Feb 9 07:39:48 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:49.56 | K|NgGh0sT | er |
| 23:50.18 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, should I just format then? |
| 23:50.23 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 23:50.40 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: what are you trying to exactly? |
| 23:50.41 | K|NgGh0sT | nvidia-glx is already the newest version. |
| 23:50.55 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, get x to work |
| 23:51.07 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you want to be running debian stable or debian testing? |
| 23:51.11 | abrotman | use vesa! :) |
| 23:51.16 | adrakoa | are something like nvidia config .. like a command i don't remenber |
| 23:51.17 | K|NgGh0sT | stable if I can |
| 23:51.26 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you have to reinstall to get back to stable |
| 23:51.29 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: yes im still here, trying to deal with several things at once, but yes im here. |
| 23:51.40 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: ok |
| 23:51.51 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, well it doesnt matter to me, as long as x will load |
| 23:51.58 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: so in the end which driver are you using? |
| 23:52.01 | myboxen | radeon |
| 23:52.03 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 23:52.10 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: put your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 23:52.10 | adrakoa | K|NgGh0sT fglxconfig ... go to google.. |
| 23:52.20 | abrotman | !tell janitux__ about away |
| 23:52.28 | myboxen | are you using hte fb in console? |
| 23:52.36 | janitux__ | ! |
| 23:52.48 | myboxen | i.e. are your fonts small or large when you boot up? |
| 23:52.48 | stew | now i'm hungry |
| 23:52.51 | abrotman | janitux__: turn off public annoucement .. we don't care if you're away |
| 23:53.02 | stew | diza: what video card do you have? |
| 23:53.02 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: no.. i would like to though |
| 23:53.35 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: what resolution is your monitor? |
| 23:53.42 | myboxen | 1400x1050? |
| 23:53.51 | onetinsoldier | fonts are large in console. 80x25 res or whatever it is in console |
| 23:54.06 | onetinsoldier | monitor's native res is 1600x1200 |
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| 23:54.14 | myboxen | k |
| 23:54.16 | myboxen | gimme a sec |
| 23:54.20 | onetinsoldier | k |
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| 23:55.34 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm getting FATAL: Module nvidia not found. now |
| 23:55.52 | Azar | this is really maddening, is that a new thing that we can't use source from outside US ? |
| 23:56.02 | stew | Azar: what? |
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| 23:56.14 | Azar | stew, I spent all day trying to get sources from germany |
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| 23:56.22 | Azar | I used to.. not anymore, it stalls |
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| 23:56.30 | abrotman | maybe the server is broken ? |
| 23:56.41 | Azar | abrotman: I tried other servers from germany... |
| 23:57.00 | stew | Azar: what exactly are you trying? |
| 23:57.01 | Azar | just does not work anymore, it stops until tells me there is no connection |
| 23:57.06 | stew | Azar: apt-get update? |
| 23:57.18 | Azar | stew, yes tried on my etch box, now on my sarge box.... same thing |
| 23:57.23 | K|NgGh0sT | argh |
| 23:57.27 | K|NgGh0sT | time to format this beast |
| 23:57.28 | K|NgGh0sT | again |
| 23:57.34 | Azar | so I had to pick an US source which works |
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| 23:58.01 | Azar | just wish to see if other inside US have same issues with outside servers |
| 23:58.04 | stew | Azar: ftp.de.debian.org works for me |
| 23:58.25 | Azar | I did not tried that one, let me check thanks |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | maybe someone should send k|ngh-0st an ubuntu cd |
| 23:58.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | What's the way closest to local performance when doing desktop sharing using VNC? x11vnc, xf4vnc, xvnc, etc.? Right now I'm using x11vnc. |
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