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| 00:01.55 | rockstar_ | Hey everyone |
| 00:02.07 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: hi! |
| 00:02.17 | oigres | Is there a way to restrict access to an X session for a particular user? |
| 00:02.26 | rockstar_ | Does anyone know if I can use two cloned monitors with different resolutions. |
| 00:02.37 | Azar | stew: W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.de.debian.org stable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:02.38 | rockstar_ | If someone can tell me how, I will have your children. |
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| 00:03.02 | Azar | stew I got this message on several other tries |
| 00:03.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Azar: apt-get update |
| 00:03.16 | stew | Azar: show me the one line from sources.list that is producing that |
| 00:03.23 | Azar | GenNMX|Thrae: that was an update request |
| 00:03.29 | Azar | ok |
| 00:03.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahhh |
| 00:03.49 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: someone helped me get my x working correctly. i tried to install the fglrx, and now that i have a 2.6.15 kernel it went pretty far when compiling, but eventually it bombed out with an error. |
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| 00:04.16 | sjr_ | Um this is a simple quest how do I cut and paste with vim? |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 00:04.26 | dpkg | i heard vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 00:04.26 | SJr|nx | I tried Y20 and p |
| 00:04.30 | SJr|nx | but it doesn't work |
| 00:04.47 | SJr|nx | the last link doesn't seem to work |
| 00:05.08 | abrotman | google "vi tutorial" |
| 00:05.24 | SJr|nx | yeah I tried that it in gave me information that didn't |
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| 00:05.31 | stew | SJr|nx: try y20y for copy 20 lines or d20d for cut 20 lines |
| 00:05.37 | abrotman | 20 yy then p |
| 00:05.44 | Rockj | how do I figure out which program/process is listning on a specified port? |
| 00:05.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Rockj: netstat |
| 00:05.57 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier : Really? I have fglrx working great on all of my systems. One even has dual monitor setup, which I'm still trying to tweak... |
| 00:06.01 | cureless | Rockj: netstat -apne --inet |
| 00:06.02 | stew | SJr|nx: yeah or 20yy or 20dd |
| 00:06.16 | rockstar_ | !dual monitor |
| 00:06.23 | SJr|nx | hmmmm okay thanks |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | SJr|nx: http://www.networkcomputing.com/unixworld/tutorial/009/009.html |
| 00:06.29 | oigres | Is there a way to restrict access to an X session for a particular user? |
| 00:06.40 | rockstar_ | Did I stump dpkg? |
| 00:06.44 | cureless | onetinsoldier: that someone was me |
| 00:06.48 | Azar | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2556 |
| 00:06.58 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: well i'd like to get it working here too sometime. but right now i'm pretty happy that i'm no longer stuck with only 640x480! |
| 00:07.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | rockstar_: How can you have a clone if one in a different resolution? A clone is suppose to be the same image. |
| 00:07.22 | onetinsoldier | cureless: yes.. thank you so much!!! |
| 00:07.33 | SJr|nx | stew I get 20yy is not an editor command |
| 00:07.50 | stew | SJr|nx: not :20yy ; just 20yy |
| 00:07.51 | rockstar_ | GenNMX|Thrae : Image is cloned, but different resolutions. Windows does it all that time. It may not be your definition of "clone" but the industry calls it that. |
| 00:07.57 | abrotman | SJr|nx: that was me .. and make sure you hit esc a few times |
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| 00:08.32 | SJr|nx | ah there we go |
| 00:08.35 | Rockj | cureless: it shows nothing on the pid/program field. |
| 00:09.07 | abrotman | SJr|nx: http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml |
| 00:09.18 | cureless | Rockj: you might need to be root |
| 00:09.30 | nima | how do i set xchat to strip colors? |
| 00:09.38 | stew | 20:04 < Azar> stew: W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.de.debian.org stable/non-free Packages |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | nima: should be in your preferences |
| 00:09.46 | stew | Azar: what command gave you that warning? |
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| 00:09.59 | nima | abrotman: thats what i've been getting, but i cant find it |
| 00:10.01 | Azar | first it updates and tells me that: Fetched 4835kB in 51s (93.4kB/s) then it gives me Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 00:10.04 | Azar | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.de.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 00:10.10 | Rockj | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:808 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 7448 3594/rpc.statd statd? Which is? wondering what I have managed to install.. |
| 00:10.14 | stew | Azar: what command? |
| 00:10.19 | Azar | stew the aptitude update |
| 00:10.26 | stew | Azar: run it again |
| 00:10.29 | Azar | ok thanks |
| 00:10.34 | nima | abrotman: is it under "text box" for you? |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | nima: they keep moving stuff on me! |
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| 00:10.44 | onetinsoldier | cureless: ty, ty , ty!! i'm loving my new desktop now :-) |
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| 00:11.21 | Azar | cool now works, thanks stew |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | nima: it used to be |
| 00:11.28 | n0yd | Bah, if you messed up a apt database (I assume there is a db which tells apt of all the installed pkgs on a system) could you repopulate the said database and would all be well? |
| 00:11.40 | n0yd | I'm just curious, I don't run debian... |
| 00:11.43 | Rockj | cureless: and yes, had to be root. Thanks. but rpc.statd is what? |
| 00:11.49 | abrotman | n0yd: you can .. it's not easy .. but you can |
| 00:11.51 | Azar | n0yd: me? |
| 00:12.07 | rockstar_ | abrotman : Why is it not easy? |
| 00:12.09 | n0yd | abrotman, Oh ok, well at least there is a way... :( |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | n0yd: iirc .. yes |
| 00:12.37 | stew | n0yd: there is /var/lib/dpkg/status, if that file gets messed up, you can generally roll back to a backup from /var/backups/ |
| 00:12.44 | n0yd | I just screwed up my package managers database and there is really no way to fix, and I was just curious as to apt |
| 00:13.06 | n0yd | My backups didn't fix my package manager for shit, it still believes I have no base system |
| 00:13.07 | n0yd | heh |
| 00:13.16 | abrotman | n0yd: i think you basically .. look in the /usr/share/doc/ directory .. and tell apt/dpkg that those packages are installed |
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| 00:13.27 | n0yd | One by one? |
| 00:13.34 | Azar | hehe |
| 00:13.35 | stew | n0yd: with a loop in a shell script |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | no .. you can do it with magic! |
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| 00:13.46 | n0yd | abrotman, that would be a pain |
| 00:13.48 | n0yd | heh |
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| 00:14.33 | abrotman | n0yd: i've stumbled across it |
| 00:15.01 | abrotman | !very fubar status file |
| 00:15.01 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
| 00:15.07 | abrotman | roughly ... |
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| 00:15.16 | n0yd | Well time to reinstall I suppose, thanks for the info, the question just passed my mind |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | i'm not sure that's quite right .. |
| 00:15.32 | abrotman | but it'd be close |
| 00:15.37 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: you are using grub, and 2.6 kernel yes? |
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| 00:16.09 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: yes |
| 00:16.15 | hobophobe | Is it possible to specify the sound to use (other than arts) for kde programs (I'm using gnome for my environment)? |
| 00:16.41 | myboxen | you can try a line like this as a kernel argument |
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| 00:16.51 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: video=radeonfb:1600x1024-32@60 |
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| 00:17.07 | stew | abrotman: i wonder if using /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list as a list instead of /usr/share/doc might be more tidy |
| 00:17.13 | Bangers | I'm having a brain blank |
| 00:17.26 | Bangers | whats the term for DNS when a server has complete control over the records |
| 00:17.38 | Bangers | while others can only forward requests on |
| 00:17.47 | stew | Bangers: master or authoritative |
| 00:17.56 | Bangers | thats the one |
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| 00:18.06 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: k |
| 00:18.21 | Bangers | so if a server is authorative, its got complete control. If it's not authorative, whats the term used to describe the server? |
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| 00:18.35 | abrotman | stew: i'm betting that factoid is old |
| 00:18.40 | abrotman | !factinf overy fubar status file |
| 00:18.45 | abrotman | !factinfo very fubar status file |
| 00:18.45 | dpkg | very fubar status file -- last modified at Fri Jul 11 07:57:31 2003 by simonrvn!simon@nuit.ca; it has been requested 25 times, last by resiak at Tue Oct 18 19:07:25 2005. |
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| 00:19.05 | stew | Bangers: uh, non-authoritative? proxying? |
| 00:19.24 | hobophobe | subordinate? |
| 00:19.30 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: let me see if i can figure out how to add that to grub. might take me a while to make surei don't screw anything up. or should i just reboot and choose command line? not certain i'd know what to enter there but i could try it |
| 00:19.44 | stew | Bangers: note that there is more than one authoritative NS for a domain, its any nameserver that is listed as a NS in the root server |
| 00:20.01 | abrotman | stew: you know the dpkg search is broken on vireo ? |
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| 00:20.10 | stew | abrotman: it is? |
| 00:20.14 | stew | abrotman: gimme an example |
| 00:20.24 | abrotman | stew: you can't search by value |
| 00:20.27 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: its in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
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| 00:20.44 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: going there now |
| 00:20.45 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: you want to add that to the end of the line that starts kernel |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | stew: notice .. there is only two lines in the drop down .. seems like the third got mashed in |
| 00:21.10 | stew | abrotman: works for me. stop using opera |
| 00:21.13 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: don't modify your recovery kernel, just in case, just the main one |
| 00:21.24 | abrotman | stew: that's not it! |
| 00:21.40 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | stew: oh .. it is :) |
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| 00:21.47 | abrotman | stew: but damn it .. it shouldn't do that |
| 00:21.47 | stew | abrotman: actually |
| 00:21.50 | stew | there is an error |
| 00:21.58 | stew | but firefox corrects it for me:) |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | stew: fix your code! <option value='key'>Factoid Key</option. |
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| 00:22.10 | stew | yeah :) |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | blaming opera .. yeesh |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | stew: now which browser is broken :) |
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| 00:23.16 | stew | abrotman: fixed :) |
| 00:23.28 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: i made the line look like this... /vmlinuz-2.6.15 root=/dev/hda6 ro video=radeonfb:1600x1024-32@60 |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | stew: thank you |
| 00:23.34 | stew | likewise |
| 00:24.27 | stew | i should make dpkg.v.o/q/foo search in both value and key |
| 00:24.30 | abrotman | stew: erm .. eh .. don't try to search for */info* |
| 00:24.49 | stew | why? |
| 00:24.55 | myboxen | yea |
| 00:24.57 | myboxen | that should do it |
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| 00:25.03 | abrotman | either .. there are no values .... or it just barfs |
| 00:25.12 | Azar | my nmap does not get the correct time, how can I adjust the time? |
| 00:25.12 | stew | abrotman: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=*%2Finfo*&term=value ? |
| 00:25.12 | abrotman | no values .. nm |
| 00:25.16 | onetinsoldier | mybox: it can't do 1600x1200? it has to be 1600x1024? |
| 00:25.19 | myboxen | im working on a vga=### and video=radeonfb if this doesn't owrk. |
| 00:25.36 | myboxen | ok |
| 00:25.42 | stew | myboxen: what are you putting in for ###? |
| 00:25.55 | myboxen | vga=791 etc.. |
| 00:26.01 | onetinsoldier | i think he's working on that |
| 00:26.03 | stew | myboxen: and you have 1400x1050? |
| 00:26.04 | adrakoa | Azar nmap --help | grep timing |
| 00:26.06 | myboxen | I have to figure it out for 1600x1024 |
| 00:26.21 | myboxen | stew: im helping onetinsoldier, he has 1600x1024 |
| 00:26.31 | myboxen | stew: but yes, I have 1400x1050 |
| 00:26.41 | onetinsoldier | it can't do 1600x1200? |
| 00:26.44 | ChaskaS | i have a problem |
| 00:26.46 | ChaskaS | =S |
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| 00:27.04 | abrotman | !status-recovery |
| 00:27.04 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 00:27.06 | stew | onetinsoldier: switch to a VT and run "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --framebuffer" to list available modes, the will be listed in hex so use something like vga=0x305, but i don't know that 1600x1024 would be available |
| 00:27.06 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: change it |
| 00:27.10 | abrotman | i knew there was another .. |
| 00:27.18 | abrotman | but it still uses /usr/share/doc/ |
| 00:27.22 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: ok |
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| 00:27.40 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: also try what stew said |
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| 00:28.10 | Azar | gah bleh nmap what is the format I can set my date/time on CLI ? |
| 00:28.11 | Nought | hi, can I force Inkscape to use KDE dialogs? |
| 00:28.19 | abrotman | it's a GTK app ... |
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| 00:28.39 | Nought | I know, just hate GTK dialogs.. |
| 00:29.03 | Azar | date set %c ? |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | Nought: so start recoding the application |
| 00:29.17 | onetinsoldier | stew: i will try that.. BUT last time i tired a hwifno --monitor ...my system locked up and i had to power off. i have since changed options for my kernel driver and recompiled, but still not sure if i have it perfect or not |
| 00:29.44 | Nought | recoding...if I could, but I'm not a programmer ;) |
| 00:29.50 | onetinsoldier | *hwinfo ... *kernel drivers |
| 00:30.28 | adrakoa | onetinsoldier are you try fbset ?? |
| 00:30.29 | cureless | Azar: run date, then copy paste, change and do "date -s" |
| 00:30.40 | abrotman | Nought: guess you're stuck then |
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| 00:30.58 | Led_Zeppelin | any VNC servers here? do you know how to copy and paste from VNC session to Windows? |
| 00:31.04 | cureless | Azar: I mean: date -s "Tue Ma..." |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | Nought: or you could find a KDE app that does what inkscape does |
| 00:31.15 | abrotman | Nought: or ask in #debian-kde .. but i really don't think it's possible .. |
| 00:31.32 | Nought | Say nothing if nothing you say says nothing |
| 00:31.42 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 00:31.43 | onetinsoldier | adrakoa: i don't have the package installed that has fbset |
| 00:31.55 | adrakoa | onetinsoldier apt-get install fbset |
| 00:32.09 | cureless | Nought: what do you use inkscape for? |
| 00:32.10 | Nought | kiddin' |
| 00:32.11 | rockstar_ | Anyone know a good way to check to see if your permissions to a /dev/tty device are in order? I was thinking I could just make a c program, but I am feeling lazy... |
| 00:32.32 | cureless | Nought: maybe you can use karbon14 |
| 00:32.33 | rockstar_ | I did an ls, and it says everything is kosher, but I want to be sure. |
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| 00:32.49 | Nought | I use it for designing logo's, just the raw versions though |
| 00:32.52 | adrakoa | onetinsoldier after fbset --help |
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| 00:33.00 | cureless | Nought: karbon14 might fit your needs. |
| 00:33.10 | Nought | I'll try that, thx |
| 00:33.14 | abrotman | could try sodipodi .. but that's also GTK |
| 00:33.35 | zinx | s/sodipodi/inkscape/ |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | Nought: ask #kde for an SVG editor that is done in Qt |
| 00:33.36 | onetinsoldier | i will try the hwinfo --framebuffer command. but if it locks up my system i will be gone for a bit but come right back |
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| 00:33.44 | abrotman | zinx: he's using inkscape now .. doesn't like GTK |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | but sodipodi is a bit smaller |
| 00:33.56 | zinx | sodipodi's just the old inkscape, IIRC |
| 00:33.58 | Nought | I like applications with a single window, sodipodi is all over the screen ;) |
| 00:33.59 | maher | rockstar_: ls tells you everything you need to know... |
| 00:34.06 | abrotman | zinx: i thought they split .. oh well |
| 00:34.12 | maher | Nought: xfig |
| 00:34.16 | abrotman | Nought: they make inkscape for windows :) |
| 00:34.19 | ChaskaS | help me |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:34.27 | ChaskaS | please |
| 00:34.28 | Azar | cureless does not seem to work: date -s Tue May 16 17:34:05 PST 2006 |
| 00:34.39 | cureless | Azar: you need quotes around the date |
| 00:34.40 | Nought | well, I'm trying really hard to ditch Windows ;) |
| 00:34.46 | Azar | ah thanks |
| 00:34.48 | abrotman | ChaskaS: did you forget to ask your question ? |
| 00:34.57 | ChaskaS | i installing deb on my pc |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | scribus ? |
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| 00:35.09 | ChaskaS | (i dont speakk good english) |
| 00:35.23 | adrakoa | ChaskaS nobdy :p |
| 00:35.31 | rockstar_ | maher: You would think so... |
| 00:35.36 | ChaskaS | i speak spanish XD |
| 00:35.41 | Ronin | !es |
| 00:35.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:35.52 | Ronin | or at least easier to understand :) |
| 00:35.58 | ChaskaS | but in deb-es nobody help me |
| 00:36.06 | Azar | cureless: how do I change the time zone? it is wrong set to EST |
| 00:36.17 | onetinsoldier | stew: hwinfo --framebuffer = 0x0376 for 1600x1200 32-bit |
| 00:36.17 | Azar | EDT |
| 00:36.21 | Ronin | Azar: tzconfig |
| 00:36.27 | Azar | thanks Ronin |
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| 00:36.41 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: you see that? |
| 00:36.44 | stew | onetinsoldier: cool, then use vga=0x376 |
| 00:36.57 | onetinsoldier | ok.. sounds good. i'll give it a whirl |
| 00:37.03 | stew | onetinsoldier: actually use 24 bit |
| 00:37.12 | onetinsoldier | ok... 24-bit it is |
| 00:37.41 | rockstar_ | Chaska : Yo no hablo espanol bien. Como le puedo ayudar yo? |
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| 00:37.49 | stew | rockstar_: #debian-es |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | rockstar_: take him to #debian-es |
| 00:38.01 | dli | where is the file for the gnome menu entry "Root Terminal (gksu)"? |
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| 00:38.15 | abrotman | he didn't have to leave :) |
| 00:38.25 | onetinsoldier | stew: doh, no 24-bit listing... 16-bit is the next highest |
| 00:38.30 | Ronin | heh and im told i have a gift for getting folks to leave a channel abrotman |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | Ronin: i have a gift for getting the to never leave ... we should join forces! |
| 00:38.53 | cureless | I hanged around #debian-es for a while, but for some reason I left. |
| 00:39.05 | stew | onetinsoldier: well i guess pick 32bit if 65k colors might not be enough for you in your console. |
| 00:39.14 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 00:39.25 | abrotman | Ronin: do you have bad gas? |
| 00:39.40 | onetinsoldier | i'll choose 16-bit |
| 00:39.44 | Ronin | abrotman: good gas |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:39.52 | stew | i am irrationally against using 32 bit, only because i know that the hardware only supports 24 bit anyway |
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| 00:39.57 | cureless | onetinsoldier: what are you going to use the console for? |
| 00:40.37 | Azar | Ronin tzconfig does not seem to use dailyght saving time |
| 00:41.24 | onetinsoldier | cureless: hard to say now that you got my X working correctly! but i remember in the past(been years since i've used linux) that i used the console to do lot's of stuff.... admin'ing type stuff |
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| 00:41.37 | splif | so i have unintentionally overwritten some of the permissions in the mysql install on my sarge box and i get an access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@localhost does anyone know how i can correct this? |
| 00:42.04 | splif | that message happens whenever mysql starts or stops |
| 00:42.05 | onetinsoldier | X is not always available depending on what you're doing as i recall |
| 00:43.17 | stew | splif: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server[-4.1]/README.Debian |
| 00:43.36 | splif | stew: thanks |
| 00:44.40 | onetinsoldier | adrakoa: fbset --help --> command not found. i'll install it later |
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| 00:47.11 | adrakoa | bye |
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| 00:48.30 | onetinsoldier | ok. i'm off to try the new vga setting and see if it works. :) |
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| 00:51.27 | phaedral | hello |
| 00:51.58 | phaedral | i was wondering if someone would istruct me on how to install fluxbox on my debian install |
| 00:52.00 | lurker99 | Question: Any pitfalls upgrading Bind from the default sarge Bind9.2.4 by doing a pinning "APT::Default-Release "stable" and then going to Bind9.3.2 via "apt-get -s install -t testing bind9" ?? I've never done one of these before... Comments? Reassurances? Snide Remarks? |
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| 00:52.29 | abrotman | lurker99: security issues ? |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | phaedral: come on .. you should know by now |
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| 00:52.46 | rockstar_ | Holy crap, my spanish is horrible. |
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| 00:53.02 | abrotman | aren't you from montana? |
| 00:53.04 | magyar | ahoy |
| 00:53.12 | rockstar_ | abrotman: Me? |
| 00:53.14 | lurker99 | Crashes. I've had to restart named a couple in the past 2 months. |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | lurker99: could be one of your options maybe |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:53.51 | lurker99 | and #bind commented it's a older release... |
| 00:54.15 | stew | lurker99: do not install testing packages onto stable |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | lurker99: yes .. but it's debian stable .. that happens .. |
| 00:54.24 | magyar | i have an issue with testing, the sata drive keeps changing the device name every reboot from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdd and vise versa. help |
| 00:54.26 | phaedral | i can do it from another wm ..but i am having trouble from command line installing fluxbox |
| 00:54.27 | stew | lurker99: use backports /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:54.33 | abrotman | lurker99: i have bind running for months from sarge |
| 00:54.39 | stew | lurker99: but is there a reason that you need the newer bind package at all? |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | crashy! |
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| 00:56.34 | onetinsoldier | stew: help |
| 00:56.59 | stew | onetinsoldier: use "help command" for help with a particular command. |
| 00:57.05 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 00:57.09 | phaedral | abrotman: anyadvice? |
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| 00:57.29 | abrotman | phaedral: how do you normally install stuff on debian ? |
| 00:57.41 | onetinsoldier | stew: vga=0375? that doesn't work. what else do i need? |
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| 00:57.48 | stew | onetinsoldier: 0x375 |
| 00:57.55 | phaedral | i use synaptic in the past |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | so use it now |
| 00:58.30 | onetinsoldier | it didn't seem to like that either. but what i had exactly was vga=0x0375 |
| 00:58.38 | phaedral | i donthave a windows manager |
| 00:58.38 | phaedral | no network connection either |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | apt-get install x-window-system-core xdm fluxbox |
| 00:58.57 | onetinsoldier | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.15 root=/dev/hda6 ro vga=0x0375 |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | phaedral: and learn how to use apt-get |
| 00:59.18 | phaedral | do know what cds the packages are on? |
| 00:59.29 | stew | onetinsoldier: you can try "vga=885" which is the same number as 0x375 |
| 00:59.31 | phaedral | i can use apt-get easily |
| 00:59.36 | asg | phaedral: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 00:59.41 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok.. i'll try it |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 00:59.43 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 00:59.47 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 00:59.58 | asg | danke |
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| 01:00.37 | asg | !tell Phat32 about root |
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| 01:02.09 | phaedral | thanks for your help abrotman i think im all set now |
| 01:02.24 | abrotman | phaedral: enjoy |
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| 01:03.28 | abrotman | maybe next year debconf will have reliable feeds |
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| 01:03.51 | rockstar_ | I hate it when I have the file permissions set, and then forget to set the file permissions ON THE FREAKING SYMLINK! |
| 01:03.51 | asg | abrotman: or be held somewhere we can get to without too much effort |
| 01:03.52 | Faolan | good even to all |
| 01:03.54 | onetinsoldier | stew: crap.. i don't think i compiled 'framebuffer support' into my kernel |
| 01:04.02 | maher | abrotman: you should have gone in person... :) |
| 01:04.13 | stew | onetinsoldier: that would be a showstopper here |
| 01:04.17 | zinx | rockstar_: uh |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | maher: they would have paid to have me kidnapped! |
| 01:04.23 | zinx | rockstar_: symlinks don't have permissions |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | asg: like philly! |
| 01:04.33 | Faolan | rockstar_: that would be awesome if ln did that automatically |
| 01:04.41 | onetinsoldier | stew: ya... i will have to do a recompile |
| 01:04.46 | abrotman | asg: if it were in philly .. and i was still here .. i would go the whole week .. which .. may actually be a reason to not have it in philly |
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| 01:04.50 | maher | rockstar_: symlink permissions don't matter |
| 01:04.52 | rockstar_ | Faolan: Yea, 'cause then I would still have some more hair. |
| 01:04.52 | asg | abrotman: yes, I'd take a roadtrip |
| 01:05.04 | rockstar_ | zinx: Mine sure did |
| 01:05.10 | zinx | rockstar_: then it's not *nix. |
| 01:05.16 | zinx | rockstar_: perhaps you made a hard link? |
| 01:05.18 | rockstar_ | *sigh* |
| 01:05.27 | lurker99 | stew: |
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| 01:05.35 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: are you still here? |
| 01:05.40 | rockstar_ | I've been conned this whole time? I'm not using Debian. It's just WINDOWS WITH A FRIGGIN' SKIN! |
| 01:05.43 | abrotman | asg: we'd get so FRUNK! |
| 01:05.45 | rockstar_ | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 01:05.52 | maher | rockstar_: if you change group info you have to relogin |
| 01:06.03 | asg | abrotman: no doubt. From the sounds of it, though, the Debconfers are lightweights ;) |
| 01:06.04 | lurker99 | stew: If backporting (compile new branch package under old branch) avoids dependency and ABI complications, why do we hve APT pinnings? Or does this lead into philosophical release upgrade debates... |
| 01:06.05 | zinx | rockstar_: windows doesn't have symlinks :D it has fake links |
| 01:06.15 | Phat32 | I am very new to debina and I have a small problem |
| 01:06.16 | asg | zinx: it has shortcuts |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | asg: we'll get them wine coolers ... |
| 01:06.22 | zinx | asg: 'fake links' |
| 01:06.23 | Phat32 | debian* |
| 01:06.32 | asg | abrotman: haha, that's so 80s |
| 01:06.55 | Phat32 | I used apt-get install naim to install naim but it installed an old version of naim |
| 01:07.10 | Faolan | I don't get the point of Windows. It has good apps but it's a damn crappy system |
| 01:07.15 | Phat32 | Do I need to configure apt to use another server? |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | asg: so are some of thier haircuts! :) |
| 01:07.23 | asg | Phat32: it's a stable version of naim. /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:07.32 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 01:07.51 | Phat32 | but it won't connect |
| 01:07.57 | Phat32 | naim won't login |
| 01:08.25 | stew | lurker99: testing and unstable usually have mostly ABI compatible libraries so pinning is useful there, pinning is useful for pinning a backports repository such as http://backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 01:08.37 | maher | lurker99: apt-pinning is if you want to shoot yourself in the foot in a complicated manner... |
| 01:08.48 | Faolan | I'm going to start a KDE / QT version of a GAIM like program. or at least try |
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| 01:09.19 | maher | lurker99: ...or are too lazy to use backports / backport stuff yourself |
| 01:09.23 | stew | lurker99: if you look at the dependencies for bind9 in testing: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), so trying to install that version is going to require you to upgrade to a testing/unstable libc6, which means you are pretty much no longer on stable |
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| 01:10.30 | Phat32 | I assumed the reason naim wouldn't login to my account is that it was an old version. It says I am using an old version. Why won't it log in? |
| 01:11.05 | stew | is that a riddle |
| 01:11.35 | Phat32 | stew: I just want to log into aim |
| 01:12.07 | stew | Phat32: and you are using stable? and you want to use naim? |
| 01:12.18 | Scooby | Has anyone successfully used Sarge as a router? routed is no longer a standard package; replaced with bird. I appear to have valid routing tables, but nothing is actually being routed. Anyone have a clue? |
| 01:12.28 | Phat32 | I am on an old compaq proliant server right now with no gui so I can't use gaim like I normally do |
| 01:12.41 | Phat32 | I guess I'm using stable |
| 01:12.50 | Phat32 | I did a net install |
| 01:12.52 | Faolan | drats. g2g. |
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| 01:13.12 | stew | Phat32: backport naim: /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; or try bitlbee instead of naim |
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| 01:13.32 | Phat32 | stew: I don't understand |
| 01:13.51 | stew | Scooby: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" say? |
| 01:13.57 | stew | Phat32: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:14.14 | Scooby | stew: heh. 0 |
| 01:14.28 | stew | Scooby: edit /etc/sysctl.conf ; then run sysctl -p |
| 01:15.16 | Phat32 | you said bitlbee will get on aim? |
| 01:15.23 | stew | it will |
| 01:15.26 | Scooby | stew: what is the format for that file? |
| 01:15.59 | stew | Scooby: man sysctl.conf ; you can use /etc/network/options instead |
| 01:16.17 | stew | actually i dunno who wins when you set 1 in sysctl.conf and yes in /etc/network/options |
| 01:16.26 | stew | err when they don't agree i mean |
| 01:16.32 | Scooby | stew: But that is efinately my problem. "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and it started working. |
| 01:16.40 | asg | stew: easy to find out though |
| 01:17.00 | stew | asg: easy for someone else to figure out :) |
| 01:17.05 | lurker99 | sigh. long ago and far i was a telecom (voice/analog microwave/mux) guy. now... methinks i'll just upgrade to 'testing'... it seems to avoid the debian bleeding edge yet get closer to the 'current' real-world releases. |
| 01:17.13 | asg | stew: indeed, I'm not going to do it since House is on |
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| 01:18.14 | Phat32 | I used apt to install bitlbee and now I can't figure out how to run it |
| 01:18.16 | maher | lurker99: why not install testing/unstable in a chroot and play with it there... |
| 01:18.36 | Phat32 | the command "bitlbee" does nothing |
| 01:18.44 | lurker99 | i wonder why 'they' don't push more of the this stuff to volatile or volitile-sloppy? |
| 01:18.44 | Phat32 | locate bitlebee found nothing |
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| 01:19.07 | rockstar_ | lurker99 : I just did something like that, I can help you if you need. |
| 01:19.18 | Scooby | stew: got it figured out. Thanks for the help. |
| 01:19.28 | maher | lurker99: cos most people are happy with older versions of most programs? |
| 01:19.32 | lurker99 | maher: that's one of the things i haven't played with yet. |
| 01:19.36 | Phat32 | stew: I'm having probs with bitlbee |
| 01:20.05 | stew | Phat32: /usr/share/doc/bitlbee/README.Debian |
| 01:20.12 | stew | yay, dinnertime |
| 01:20.21 | lurker99 | maher: my editor of choice for quick updates: 'ed' :-) |
| 01:20.37 | Phat32 | wtf I can only run it as root |
| 01:21.30 | phaedral | abrotman: how do i mount a flash drive from command? |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | depends on the device |
| 01:22.10 | asg | stew: something good I hope |
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| 01:22.14 | phaedral | oh |
| 01:22.19 | rockstar_ | phaedral : do a cat /var/log/messages after you plug it in to find the dev address |
| 01:22.56 | phaedral | ok thanks |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | how about just a tail ? :) |
| 01:23.13 | rockstar_ | phaedral : Then do mount -t vfat /dev/sdxX /media/mount_point as root, assuming the USB flash device is fat32 |
| 01:23.32 | asg | abrotman: shouldn't it be /var/log/syslog though? |
| 01:23.38 | rockstar_ | abrotman : Yeah, I always do a cat, and then have to Ctrl+C and do a tail. I never remember to start with the tail. |
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| 01:23.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | asg: dmesg ? |
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| 01:24.31 | asg | abrotman: or that if the buffer hasn't become overflowed |
| 01:24.48 | stoned | goddamn buffers |
| 01:25.08 | abrotman | asg: bladder problems? |
| 01:25.32 | stoned | hehe, he said anal hehe |
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| 01:26.08 | rockstar_ | stoned : Did you pick up some Maui Wowi on the way home? |
| 01:26.16 | stoned | rockstar_, I wish |
| 01:27.32 | asg | rockstar_: he dreged some tidestick |
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| 01:28.01 | phaedral | ok thanks |
| 01:28.29 | rockstar_ | asg: I prefer the labrador |
| 01:28.46 | stoned | I don't have pets |
| 01:28.52 | stoned | and I don't leave my baggies laying around |
| 01:28.53 | asg | rockstar_: led zeppelin |
| 01:29.40 | asg | o/~ momma talkin' to me try to tell me how to live o/~ |
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| 01:30.16 | rockstar_ | I wish I could be like stew and say "Yay dinnertime" No girlfriend/wife makes rockstar a hungry boy... |
| 01:30.36 | rockstar_ | Unless he flirts with the fat girl at McDonald's and gets free food. |
| 01:30.44 | rockstar_ | How could I ever stoop so low. |
| 01:30.59 | stoned | rockstar_, that sucks, are you ugly? Anti social? whats the matter? go get a girl man :/ |
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| 01:31.05 | stoned | how hard can it be |
| 01:31.09 | lurker99 | comes with experience? |
| 01:31.11 | asg | rockstar_: if you have a handy supply of dead cockroaches, it's easy to get free food at McDonalds |
| 01:31.23 | LSorensen | rockstar_: go cook your own food |
| 01:31.29 | rockstar_ | asg: THAT IDEA IS AWESOME! |
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| 01:31.37 | rockstar_ | I'm totally going to do that. |
| 01:32.01 | stoned | rockstar_, you should go to a bookstore or library to find good girls, or go to a bar and buy someone a drink if you want to just get laid |
| 01:32.03 | rockstar_ | LSorensen : Can't cook my own food... cuts into computer time... |
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| 01:32.19 | LSorensen | rockstar_: I never seem to have that problem |
| 01:32.31 | asg | dvs: I've worked on the *other* side of many a fast food counter; I've seen the tricks |
| 01:32.38 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:32.57 | rockstar_ | stoned : I have to buy them more than one to do that... Usually, that tab ends up like, $60 at least. I'll just go find a prostitute at that rate... |
| 01:33.11 | rockstar_ | LSorensen : Some people are just better than others... |
| 01:33.27 | LSorensen | rockstar_: besides girls like guys that can cook |
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| 01:33.43 | asg | LSorensen: that's true |
| 01:33.50 | rockstar_ | LSorensen : I CAN cook, just don't have time. |
| 01:33.52 | litage | how do you search for "<?" in vim? this seems to match all characters: :/<\? |
| 01:33.58 | stoned | my girl likes me because I am a pig |
| 01:34.03 | asg | litage: \<\? |
| 01:34.17 | stoned | I can't cook |
| 01:34.40 | stoned | I give some other stuff instead, and she does everything else so pretty much we're good to go |
| 01:34.57 | rockstar_ | Had a girl until a week ago. I cooked for her. Now I'm just too lazy. --:o) |
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| 01:36.59 | rockstar_ | I'll be back, have to restart X |
| 01:37.12 | asg | of you can't cook, then giving good helmet is useful |
| 01:37.17 | litage | thanks hyph |
| 01:37.26 | litage | oops, wrong chan |
| 01:38.12 | stoned | asg, lol |
| 01:38.35 | stoned | asg, girls never let go of a guy who can give good head |
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| 01:38.44 | stoned | I'll bet money on that statement |
| 01:38.45 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:39.05 | asg | stoned: *nod* |
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| 01:39.52 | stoned | is there a way to run The Elder Scorlls: Oblivion under linux somehow? |
| 01:40.13 | stoned | cedega was the only thing I tried and it doesn't work, cd protection crap, its in the drive, but it won't read it |
| 01:40.46 | gravity | stoned: Buy an xbox360 and run it through your TV card |
| 01:40.56 | asg | stoned: or play JediMUD |
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| 01:41.19 | stoned | gravity, I am waiting for the PS3 to come out first, I want check out both before I spend my money |
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| 01:41.29 | gravity | hahahahaha |
| 01:41.34 | dvs | what aa |
| 01:41.36 | gravity | Dude, you have $600 to blow? |
| 01:41.42 | dvs | what about Wii? |
| 01:41.49 | gravity | Man, can you just send me a check so I can buy a wii? |
| 01:42.19 | stoned | gravity, I am not going to purchase both, I want to try them out side by side at Toys R Us like they usually are |
| 01:42.29 | stoned | gravity, my folks are physicians in USA, they can afford it |
| 01:42.36 | stoned | rich bastards |
| 01:42.37 | gravity | feh |
| 01:42.41 | gravity | My dad is the same |
| 01:42.48 | gravity | But I'm broke |
| 01:42.51 | stoned | same here mate |
| 01:42.53 | stoned | same here |
| 01:42.58 | asg | gravity: but still rich |
| 01:43.38 | gravity | asg: Me? |
| 01:43.46 | asg | gravity: in the non-monitary sense |
| 01:43.52 | gravity | Ok |
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| 01:44.00 | stoned | that kinda wealth is useless |
| 01:44.06 | stoned | it will not pay for an Xbox |
| 01:44.07 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:44.10 | veamos | how do I create a directory by terminal? |
| 01:44.15 | stoned | veamos, mkdir |
| 01:44.16 | magyar | anyone running amavis with etch? |
| 01:44.23 | veamos | thanks |
| 01:44.23 | asg | stoned: giving good helmet is still worth a lot |
| 01:44.28 | stoned | lol |
| 01:44.37 | asg | stoned: or getting X whipped into shape |
| 01:44.40 | stoned | yes it is, yes it is |
| 01:45.06 | asg | when rockstar_ returns, someone tell him about screen(1) |
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| 01:46.00 | stoned | man, I bought a sack and it doesn't even smell like the stuff, kinda acrid smoke, and takes much to feel anything, I gotta get out of this town yeesh |
| 01:46.14 | zu22 | i want to test a rather large ANSI C codebase (several 100k lines) for memory leaks, unitialized variables, buffer overflows, etc. Anyone know of some packages in unstable to do this? |
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| 01:46.30 | maher | zu22: valgrind |
| 01:46.34 | asg | zu22: electric fence, lint |
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| 01:47.11 | asg | zu22: the #c folks may also know of some other esoteria |
| 01:47.32 | stoned | asg, you are using sid? |
| 01:47.39 | asg | stoned: on this laptop, yes |
| 01:47.46 | stoned | how often do you upgrade |
| 01:47.58 | stoned | weekly, monthly? |
| 01:47.58 | asg | stoned: as often as I'm online |
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| 01:48.24 | stoned | is that a better practice? |
| 01:48.48 | asg | stoned: it depends, it helps me stay up to the second to better help here but can often cause problems. |
| 01:49.06 | stoned | seeing as you can just update packages that have changed and review listbugs rather than having to install a plethora of them each month |
| 01:49.35 | stoned | I upgrade every month or ever other month, and usually my system breaks in some way, and I have to fix it, its trivial, not even annoying, I kinda enjoy it, but just wondering |
| 01:50.16 | stoned | last time I upgraded after 3 months and I had to reinstall a bunch of kernel modules for my hardware |
| 01:50.42 | asg | stoned: with unstable, the longer you wait, the more likely that you will face pain. |
| 01:50.57 | asg | !fix abrotman's ISP |
| 01:51.18 | zu22 | asg: thanks |
| 01:51.22 | asg | zu22: you're welcome |
| 01:51.24 | zu22 | maher: thanks |
| 01:52.07 | stoned | asg, say for example I setup a cron job every 60 minutes to check and upgrade packages, is this alright? or automation is not a good idea in this situation? |
| 01:52.12 | abrotman | blame comcast! |
| 01:52.15 | abrotman | !blame comcast |
| 01:52.29 | asg | stoned: automation, especially with sid, is not a good idea |
| 01:52.35 | maher | stoned: that's not a good idea - and the archive only updates once or twice a day anyway |
| 01:52.57 | asg | stoned: checking for updates and sending a synopsis via mail is fine though. |
| 01:52.58 | dn4 | cvs command not found |
| 01:52.59 | Stevie-O | a cron job to run apt-get update would be ok, tho |
| 01:53.02 | dn4 | any ideas? |
| 01:53.05 | asg | stoned: cron-apt can help with that |
| 01:53.09 | asg | dn4: apt-get install cvs |
| 01:53.10 | dvs | dn4: install cvs? |
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| 01:53.27 | stoned | I know, I was just thinking about it because someone said that is what they do and I didn' think it would work for long because you can't review changes made or critical bugs etc. |
| 01:53.46 | dvs | stoned: or changes to your config file |
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| 01:53.58 | stoned | that too |
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| 01:54.25 | asg | stoned: what I sometimes do is have a number of systems use a local repository and automatically upgrade based on that. I manually use an offline system to verify the stability of packages and move them, once checked, to that repository for automatic updates. |
| 01:54.54 | stoned | well I only have two linux boxes and 1 xp for games |
| 01:54.54 | owenh | I'm still having troubles getting Debian to install on an amd64 system. When installing from CD or DVD, I get md5sum errors. The integrity check fails as well. I have tried burning the CDs and DVDs at lower speeds (1x/2x). All md5sums are perfect in a running Linux on the same system. I can read the CD/DVD without problems from tty2. The mount and scan step works flawlessly. The "Load Installer Components" step fails. If I run "cat |
| 01:54.55 | owenh | /cdrom/md5sum.txt" from tty2, it quits (after showing many lines) with an I/O error. With the NetInst CD, the "Load Installer Components" step would sometimes go to 40% or so before failing. Any assistance appreciated. |
| 01:54.55 | magyar | anyone using amavis? |
| 01:54.57 | stoned | holy shit |
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| 01:55.12 | asg | stoned: well, I'd just touch them manually in that case. |
| 01:55.27 | asg | owenh: have you consulted #debian-amd64? |
| 01:55.33 | owenh | asg: Yes. |
| 01:55.55 | owenh | I'm sorry if that was too much to throw in at once... |
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| 01:56.43 | stoned | I should wipe that dapper drake ubuntu from my laptop. I installed it a few months ago, and I have touched it. Before that it used to run debian sarge and I would run all my intesive applications on it over ssh -X, like frostwire, other java guitar apps, office apps |
| 01:56.45 | cjaymes | how do you get mod-php5 working with apache2-mpm-perchild? |
| 01:56.47 | stoned | I should do that sometime |
| 01:56.51 | stoned | I am a lazy fuck |
| 01:56.51 | zomfg | ha |
| 01:56.57 | zomfg | dapper is still kinda meh |
| 01:57.04 | zomfg | even breezy is kinda meh |
| 01:57.07 | zomfg | ~_~ |
| 01:57.09 | apt | :/ |
| 01:57.22 | asg | ~botsnack |
| 01:57.22 | apt | :), asg |
| 01:57.31 | stoned | I was just checkin it out and it was just too different I can't stand debian "based" distros, I've gotten used to debian |
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| 01:58.05 | cjaymes | stoned, besides splintering off the resources of the debian-type folks |
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| 01:58.39 | stoned | but yeah, if you have desktop connected to laptop over nfs and ssh -X, you can launch fullscreen movies on a remote pc, which actually gets the file from the local pc, over the network, and display it over ssh -X while running on faraway pc, fullscreen without flicker |
| 01:58.45 | stoned | heh, its crazy |
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| 01:58.56 | tilrman | owenh: its a long shot, but perhaps on of the cdrom drives is bad . . . try moving the drive from your working system to the amd64 one |
| 01:59.13 | cjaymes | has anyone gotten perchild working? |
| 01:59.21 | cjaymes | (apache perchild that is) |
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| 01:59.50 | stoned | rdesktop turned out to be much better than vnc in terms of display and refresh. VNC updates full image, whereas rdesktop I think only updates what needs to be updated |
| 01:59.59 | asg | stoned: cat song39.ogg | ssh me@work "cat - | ogg123" (crazy way to scare the cleaning people at work) |
| 02:00.07 | stoned | lol |
| 02:00.09 | owenh | tilrman: The two systems are the same. I have Fedora running on one hd and want to switch to Debian so am installing it on the other. I am certain that the Plextor drive is working fine. |
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| 02:00.19 | stoned | I used to do the same at school with net send on windows |
| 02:00.23 | stoned | back in the day |
| 02:00.39 | tilrman | owenh: maybe the burner burned a cd that only that burner can read |
| 02:00.56 | tilrman | owenh: oh, you mean they are one and the same? |
| 02:01.05 | stoned | well not the same, but just give em crazy messages |
| 02:01.09 | owenh | tilrman: Yeah, I didn't make that very clear, I guess. |
| 02:01.20 | owenh | tilrman: Just one system. |
| 02:01.20 | asg | stoned: eject(1) is also useful especially if you can combine it with festival or flite |
| 02:01.24 | cjaymes | bleah, I'll just go back to apache 1.3 |
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| 02:01.37 | zu22 | Does anyone know off any desktop theme or window manager package in unstable that provides/mimics that cool OS X theme (the silver shading and red/orange/green buttons on each window and the blue button)? |
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| 02:02.01 | cjaymes | zu22wm |
| 02:02.03 | stoned | zu22, kde + baghira theme @ kde-look.org |
| 02:02.11 | stoned | best you'll find for OSX look |
| 02:02.11 | dvs | cjaymes: but apache 1.3 isn't supported anymore |
| 02:02.13 | asg | zu22: most of them have some kind of knockoff aqua theme |
| 02:02.36 | stoned | baghira is the most supreme osx project for linux |
| 02:02.40 | stoned | requires kde though |
| 02:02.43 | cjaymes | dvs, evidently apache2 isn't much either... |
| 02:02.47 | asg | dvs: well, OpenBSD still supports it |
| 02:02.49 | tilrman | owenh: no idea then, beyond that of 'somebody somewhere didnt make their code 64-bit clean' :-( |
| 02:03.23 | owenh | tilrman: Another question then, any idea how often the amd64 port is updated? |
| 02:03.59 | cjaymes | php5 isn't in stable yet is it? |
| 02:04.07 | dvs | cjaymes: never |
| 02:04.08 | owenh | tilrman: Or I guess I should just ask that one on debian-amd64 |
| 02:04.11 | tilrman | owenh: way out of my league, but id think #debian-amd64 would know |
| 02:04.18 | stoned | cjaymes, packages.debian.org <- use search functions |
| 02:04.32 | owenh | tilrman: Thanks for your suggestions! |
| 02:04.44 | tilrman | owenh: yeah, that :-) np |
| 02:05.04 | cjaymes | dang it; I missed the word 'prefork' in the libapache2-mod-php5 description |
| 02:05.22 | cjaymes | so THAT's why it wants to uninstall everything |
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| 02:06.09 | cjaymes | *sigh* are there any other suexec-type mechanisms that I can use with php5? |
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| 02:07.09 | juanca7777 | hello everyone, I was trying to find someone who know which package format has a better compression .deb or .rpm? |
| 02:07.16 | juanca7777 | anyone knows? |
| 02:07.27 | kspath | juanca7777: #manure knows |
| 02:07.37 | maher | juanca7777: i suspect they both use gzip |
| 02:07.37 | zinx | juanca7777: better compression? uh. |
| 02:07.50 | stoned | actually I have wondered that too |
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| 02:07.58 | lastnode | i downloaded debootstrap from packages.debian.org, chmodded a+x and when i ./run it, it says "E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source |
| 02:08.00 | stoned | does anyone know? because I don't |
| 02:08.01 | zinx | juanca7777: if you're looking at compression, you're probably not wanting a package format tacked on |
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| 02:08.09 | asg | juanca7777: debs aren't compressed, they are just combined with ar(1) |
| 02:08.28 | juanca7777 | zinx: no, I just want to know :) |
| 02:08.33 | zinx | asg: the stuff that's ar'd is compressed, and it's just extractable by ar.. they're not exactly the same |
| 02:08.39 | kspath | juanca7777: If you really wanted to know you could find out without going to any IRC channel. bye. |
| 02:08.44 | asg | zinx: right but the stuff is just a tar.gz |
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| 02:08.54 | zinx | asg: yes |
| 02:08.58 | juanca7777 | kspath: bye |
| 02:09.01 | stoned | kspath, its alright man, relax |
| 02:09.05 | zinx | asg: and rpm's are just .cpio.gz's with a header on them. |
| 02:09.12 | asg | zinx: indeed |
| 02:09.25 | stoned | I wonder if wikipedia has information on debian packages |
| 02:09.26 | stoned | lol |
| 02:09.41 | lastnode | stoned, packages.debian.org ? |
| 02:09.43 | zinx | stoned: probably |
| 02:09.46 | stoned | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_%28file_format%29 |
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| 02:09.48 | zu22 | asg: ah ok |
| 02:09.50 | lastnode | can anyone tell me what this error message means? |
| 02:09.50 | asg | zinx: and in the grand scheme of things, worrying about whether debs or rpms are more efficiently compressed is a futile and silly activity :) |
| 02:09.52 | lastnode | i downloaded debootstrap from packages.debian.org, chmodded a+x and when i ./run it, it says "E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source |
| 02:09.54 | zu22 | stoned; thanks |
| 02:09.59 | kspath | stoned: I heard there was a www.debian.org I doubt it has any information about .deb though. |
| 02:10.15 | stoned | kspath, woke up on the wrong side of a bed today man |
| 02:10.16 | juanca7777 | thanks zinx, I really wanted to know so I came to IRC kspath :), now I know |
| 02:10.24 | alexscott | !repeat lastnode |
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| 02:10.34 | lastnode | alexscott, yeah sorry, my bad |
| 02:10.43 | juanca7777 | stoned I would say so |
| 02:11.29 | stoned | kspath, sarcasm doesn't lead to anything, it usually causes more tension than not |
| 02:11.32 | juanca7777 | kspath knowledge is a gift you should share, unless you place a monetary value on it and that you're a ferverous capitalist :) |
| 02:11.52 | kspath | juanca7777: Knowledge is something you should seek. |
| 02:12.09 | juanca7777 | kspath that is the reason I came here |
| 02:12.16 | stoned | zu22, also go to #kde if you decide to use it, they can help a bit more with the themeing aspect or #debian-kde for debian specific packages of kde |
| 02:12.16 | juanca7777 | to look for it |
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| 02:13.24 | maher | juanca7777: if you have a debian system man deb will tell you |
| 02:13.32 | alexscott | lastnode, more details please |
| 02:13.59 | hardwood | Hi, I'm trying to get NFS working between 2 machines I have here (both etch) and I installed the NFS kernel server package on both, but what do I use as a client? |
| 02:14.25 | zu22 | stoned: i wish that theme was availble for gnome |
| 02:14.37 | asg | hardwood: check the NFS howto at tldp.org for the basics |
| 02:14.44 | hardwood | asg: Thanks! |
| 02:14.45 | juanca7777 | maher: thanks :) already did that before asking here :), couldn't find a comparison between deb and rpm |
| 02:14.57 | lastnode | alexscott, i think i got it mate. my portage tree had only 2.4.5, which wasnt boostrapping etch properly. but no i unmasked 0.3.3, let's see how it goes. for some reason, the package i downloaded from the deb mirror was giving me errors |
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| 02:15.02 | stoned | hardwood, on the server side, share the directory using /etc/exports, and on the client side, mount it as nfs type |
| 02:15.05 | sage | ok |
| 02:15.10 | sage | so what is the deal with this |
| 02:15.12 | juanca7777 | thanks a lot every one I gues I have enought info to continue on my own |
| 02:15.19 | stoned | hardwood, /msg dpkg nfs |
| 02:15.20 | kspath | juanca7777: /msg dpkg research |
| 02:15.25 | hardwood | stoned: Oohh that makes sense |
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| 02:15.41 | asg | !kick abrotman_'s neighbor |
| 02:15.45 | sage | http://shelleytherepublican.com/2006/04/linux-european-threat-to-our-computers.html |
| 02:15.48 | sage | this is nuts |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman_ | NOT MY FAULT! |
| 02:15.51 | sage | have you read it? |
| 02:16.04 | zu22 | abrotman: hey |
| 02:16.07 | asg | sage: is shelleytherepublican.com a reliable source? |
| 02:16.13 | maher | sage: its a satire on the real shelley the republican... |
| 02:16.15 | stoned | asg, you thief |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman_ | the one with the tail! |
| 02:16.35 | sage | oh really? |
| 02:16.36 | stoned | stole the words right out of keyboard/fingers' |
| 02:16.37 | asg | stoned: s'okay, I'm off to bed, you can have all my marbles |
| 02:16.38 | stoned | whatever |
| 02:16.41 | sage | i was like omg this lady is nuts! |
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| 02:16.51 | asg | omg, ponies |
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| 02:16.55 | stoned | where? |
| 02:17.03 | stoned | on the website? |
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| 02:18.09 | lastnode | ponies? omg where? |
| 02:18.17 | alexscott | lastnode, apt resolves dependancies, you don't :< |
| 02:18.21 | stoned | man, that article is a peice of shit |
| 02:18.23 | sage | asg no i didnt think it was reliable or in anyway accurate i was just wondering if it was a real post from a crazy lady |
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| 02:18.26 | stoned | now I am kinda mad |
| 02:18.37 | stoned | linux == The Devil |
| 02:18.38 | stoned | lol |
| 02:18.40 | lastnode | alexscott, yeah im on gentoo, chrooting in |
| 02:18.42 | sage | heh heh yeah |
| 02:18.49 | maher | stoned: just as well you are not german |
| 02:19.00 | stoned | and I am glad |
| 02:19.01 | stoned | hehe |
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| 02:19.38 | stoned | lol, check this |
| 02:19.44 | stoned | ...Indeed, Linux is so pervasive amongst the blue states and many liberal universities that a leading computer expert Steve Balmer (from Microsoft) described Linux as cancer... |
| 02:20.10 | sage | stoned isnt it funny? |
| 02:20.12 | kspath | s/ing/ed/ |
| 02:20.43 | stoned | "cracking", period. |
| 02:20.44 | alexscott | lastnode, download sources and compile it. package from another distro is brainfucking, isn't it ? |
| 02:21.08 | amphi | stoned: it's the old adequacy troll redux |
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| 02:21.43 | lastnode | alexscott, yeah, apparently it needed perl, which I _thought_ i had emerged. turns out i hadn't. (I fsck and reinstall my boxes quite a lot). but im debootstrapping right now. |
| 02:22.05 | lastnode | alexscott, im a dev on a little Sri Lankan livecd project called taprobane (www.taprobane.org), and i need deb etch in the next few weeks. hence the install. |
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| 02:22.32 | stoned | amphi, you lost me at the adequcuyuehethingymajiggy, lol |
| 02:23.05 | bono | Question: must have been asked a couple of times... but has anyone used skype succesfuylly on debian? i get "read error, res = -1 , handle = 24" |
| 02:23.05 | amphi | stoned: th'immortal T. Reginal Gibbons rings no bell? |
| 02:23.12 | amphi | *Reginald |
| 02:23.22 | stoned | amphi, sorry bro, no |
| 02:23.24 | unix_infidel | bono: with the compile? |
| 02:23.32 | lastnode | bono, did you install from the repos? |
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| 02:23.40 | amphi | stoned: http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html |
| 02:23.56 | unix_infidel | skype maintains its own .deb for skype. |
| 02:24.06 | unix_infidel | its REALLY slow to load imho. |
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| 02:24.51 | lastnode | unix_infidel, yeah i was just gonna suggest he compiles from scratch |
| 02:24.52 | bono | lastnode: no, i installed the debian package from skype.com |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman_ | so ask them for help |
| 02:25.11 | unix_infidel | lastnode: you mean just extract and cp the binaries :P |
| 02:25.17 | stoned | oh my god |
| 02:25.17 | unix_infidel | its not GPL or open source :P |
| 02:25.28 | lastnode | unix_infidel, erm, doesn't skype release the source as well? |
| 02:25.29 | cjaymes | god I hate windows me |
| 02:25.31 | lastnode | oh of course not |
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| 02:25.35 | stoned | dude, that fits me to the T. I've asked each and eveyrone of those questions ot my parents in my younger days |
| 02:25.50 | cjaymes | I dislike windows in general, but I have a sharp pointed stick for me |
| 02:25.51 | lastnode | cjaymes, windows me is like kicking yourself in the nuts and then walking on them |
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| 02:25.56 | unix_infidel | lastnode: capitalism yo, for shizzle. |
| 02:25.59 | bono | lastnode: have you used skype succesfully? |
| 02:26.11 | lastnode | bono, i use skype fine on gentoo, which im running now |
| 02:26.16 | cjaymes | lastnode, which explains why some people like ME |
| 02:26.44 | lastnode | cjaymes, masochists, yes |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | skype is not in debian |
| 02:26.57 | cjaymes | lastnode, yep |
| 02:27.00 | lastnode | skype obv wont be in the debian repos |
| 02:27.07 | bono | lastnode: google hits tell me its probably a sound card issue... but im on i810, which is pretty mainstream... |
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| 02:27.10 | lastnode | b/c it's not free as in speech |
| 02:27.23 | stoned | but, you can use it from thier site, they have a qt3 compiled version you can jsut download and ./skype it and it works great, with alsa only afaik |
| 02:27.29 | tilrman | looking for opinions: What's a good Debian-like distribution for newbies? I'd like to wean my dad off of MS Windows, but he doesnt have the patience to learn Debian, and I dont have the patience to learn anything else. :-) |
| 02:27.29 | lastnode | bono, google <yoursoundcard> + skype + debian ? |
| 02:27.38 | lastnode | tilrman, ubuntu++ |
| 02:27.44 | lastnode | for noobs, best way to go |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | there's one person in #skype |
| 02:27.52 | lastnode | unless you can install it for him |
| 02:28.03 | lastnode | if so, debian is lovely. same thing really. |
| 02:28.05 | kspath | I think the point abrotman was making is skype is mostly off-topic in #debian |
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| 02:28.24 | abrotman | no . it's totally offtopic :) |
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| 02:28.34 | kspath | abrotman: Wow, you are right. Thanks. |
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| 02:28.57 | tilrman | lastnode: thx, i figure i should value a recommendation for ubuntu in #debian more than in #ubuntu |
| 02:29.00 | stoned | skype will not work with sound deamons or servers. Only with alsa because I think it needs full control of soundcard, badly coded, I still have like 10$ on my account |
| 02:29.13 | abrotman | tilrman: why are you switching your dad ? |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | tilrman: i mean .. if you're going to install it .. debian is just as good as anything else ... |
| 02:29.27 | lastnode | tilrman, mind you, im a little biased. it was my first distro. you may want to ask these guys what they think too. |
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| 02:29.50 | lastnode | tilrman, and abrotman is right. if _you_ are installing, debian is fine (like i said before). |
| 02:29.50 | stoned | for a newcomer to linux, Debian Sarge is just as good as working with ubuntu |
| 02:29.52 | stoned | even easier |
| 02:30.10 | stoned | ubuntu spoonfeeds you while debian teaches you along the way how to admin your system and get shit done |
| 02:30.11 | cjaymes | does libapache2-suphp work with php5? |
| 02:30.27 | stoned | I think debian is superior to ubuntu for newbies too |
| 02:30.31 | tilrman | are there spoonfeed-me-please packages for debian? |
| 02:30.34 | lastnode | stoned, the problem is, people like tilrman's dad probably never _want_ to learn how to admin their system. |
| 02:30.41 | tilrman | lastnode: bingo :-) |
| 02:30.45 | lastnode | tilrman, yeah, synaptic etc. not to worry. |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | lastnode: it doesn't matter .. dad won't have root .. and he'll never see the CLI hopefully if tilrman does it correctly |
| 02:31.01 | tilrman | and thats why i want to swich from windows, because he doesnt want to admin a windows box either, and thats ripe for trouble |
| 02:31.12 | lastnode | admin a windows box? |
| 02:31.15 | lastnode | oxymoron! |
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| 02:31.22 | MooPoo | does debian come with a central place for installing/configuring hardware like on MacOS or windows? |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | tilrman: i have some DOS floppies laying around if that's easier |
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| 02:31.29 | lastnode | in the united states of america, the windows boxen admin you! |
| 02:31.48 | lastnode | MooPoo, most window managers have a nice GUI. what are you using? |
| 02:31.48 | cjaymes | tilrman; what about ssh'ing his box when he needs something? |
| 02:31.50 | kspath | MooPoo: keyboard is central place for that. |
| 02:31.56 | stoned | MooPoo, there are a collection of gui utilities in different DM/WMs |
| 02:31.59 | cjaymes | tilrman, i.e. managed box :) |
| 02:32.26 | MooPoo | No I am not on about that |
| 02:32.46 | lastnode | tilrman, like cjaymes said, setup sshd so you can login from work and set torrents to download, leaving your dad wondering why the intarweb is so slow today |
| 02:32.48 | tilrman | cjaymes: right, but gotta be running linux first |
| 02:32.52 | stoned | MooPoo, KDE3.5 has by far the best admin tools I have seen, but I advise you to learn the console |
| 02:32.59 | lastnode | MooPoo, you need to be more descriptive. |
| 02:33.10 | lastnode | i agree with stoned, KDE has some great gui tools. |
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| 02:33.29 | rajulocal | gfortran-4.1 is uninstallable of sid due to dependency problems. Is this some kind of transition thing or should I report the bug against gfortran-4.1? I already checked the bts against gfortran-4.1 and did not find any bug report regarding this. Any ideas? |
| 02:33.40 | stoned | hah, fortran, 6th grade computer class |
| 02:33.41 | tilrman | right, i can be admin, but i need the ui to be "better" than windows so he'll be inclined to stay in linux and not revert to windows |
| 02:33.48 | stoned | lol, man that was a TIME ago damn |
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| 02:34.18 | lastnode | tilrman, KDE! |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | tilrman: so just install debian |
| 02:34.24 | abrotman | and NOT kde :) |
| 02:34.26 | dn4 | I cannot find flowcanvas with apt-get any ideas? |
| 02:34.31 | rajulocal | stoned: I also thought so too. But fortran90 is a lot more modern than C. |
| 02:34.32 | stoned | abrotman, hater! |
| 02:34.43 | abrotman | stoned: i'm always right! |
| 02:34.45 | lastnode | tilrman, for the GUI, the distro matters very little. you could install slackware and put a nice covering on top. :) |
| 02:34.57 | kspath | dn4: apt-cache search keyword |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | oh .. find him the E17 distro :) |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | kspath: it's not there |
| 02:35.02 | lastnode | tilrman, there are a number of great WMs these days, but id go for KDE. very n00b friendly. |
| 02:35.14 | tilrman | lastnode: of course, but if i am admin, i want debian for a distro |
| 02:35.17 | lastnode | abrotman, e17? for a newbie? how many widgets are there anyway? |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | lastnode: it's better than kde .... |
| 02:35.28 | lastnode | tilrman, that was just to illustrate my point. of course you want debian. |
| 02:35.30 | dn4 | kspath, not showing up |
| 02:35.42 | lastnode | abrotman, not in my opinion. kde comes with all sorts of widgets and helpers, reminds me of ms office sometimes |
| 02:36.02 | kspath | Too many menus and widgets and "features" can confuse new people almost as much as a CLI. |
| 02:36.02 | lastnode | hello, im here to ask you if you'd like to save your password in kwallet. would you? would you? would you? |
| 02:36.14 | lastnode | kspath, it's the closest thing to windows. that's my point. |
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| 02:36.37 | abrotman_ | lastnode: which you just slighted e17 for |
| 02:36.43 | stoned | screw noob stuff, after a decade of unix I decided kde is good for me beacause despite the bloat factor(doesn't matter if you have a modern decent machine), it is a very well put together and complete desktop system, I don't have to waste time on text file configs, I h ave burned myself out on the learning aspect, now I use a combination of gui+console |
| 02:36.45 | kspath | lastnode: There are those that would argue that windows is far from a simple/useful/efficient interface. |
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| 02:36.57 | abrotman_ | lastnode: kind of hypocritical |
| 02:37.15 | stoned | it basically just matters that you get your shit done, through gui or through console, whateve works for you |
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| 02:37.24 | lastnode | kspath, what im trying to say is that tilrman's dad is making the transition FROM windows. we want to give him something close to windows. e17 is about as far from windows as you can go. no 'taskbar', no 'system' tray etc |
| 02:37.32 | lastnode | abrotman, what is hypocritical? |
| 02:38.00 | lastnode | anyway tilrman, despite all this, the decision is eventually yours. :) so have a look around and decide. google the diff wms and check out screenshots |
| 02:38.12 | lastnode | im a gnome man myself, but imho, kde is the best wm for new users. |
| 02:38.18 | stoned | xfce4.2 is very nice and stable |
| 02:38.24 | stoned | good eye candy, sleek, minimal too |
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| 02:38.30 | stew | nice tail |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman_ | stupid crap |
| 02:38.43 | stoned | ? |
| 02:38.44 | abrotman_ | the AP keeps resetting |
| 02:39.03 | stew | gravity: are you in .mx? |
| 02:39.12 | stoned | weed is legal there now |
| 02:39.13 | stoned | ! |
| 02:39.16 | tilrman | lastnode: actually ive got debian sarge installed on it now . . . i recall the problem im encountering is that the 'kde' package isnt there . . . my box is on etch so i dont know what to do to solve it on sarge |
| 02:39.20 | stoned | I should move to mx |
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| 02:39.37 | abrotman_ | tilrman: sarge has a 'kde' metapackage |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman_ | !info kde sarge |
| 02:39.43 | gravity | stew: I wish |
| 02:39.47 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 02:39.55 | gravity | stew: The entire Boston Debian crew is still in Boston |
| 02:39.59 | tilrman | thanks to all for the replies |
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| 02:40.19 | stew | gravity: we didnt' see you here for a day or two here, (i thought), so i figured you were on your way to .mx |
| 02:40.22 | abrotman_ | gravity: if you had any weight .. they'd come to you! |
| 02:40.24 | cr3 | what's the difference between x-window-manager and x-session-manager under /etc/alternatives? |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman_ | cr3: gnome .. gdm |
| 02:40.43 | zinx | one is a window manager, the other is a session manager. |
| 02:40.49 | gravity | stew: heh, no I had a big presentation to give at work (gave it today finally!) so I've been working on that most of this last week |
| 02:40.52 | abrotman_ | well .. mor elike ... |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman_ | metacity .. gdm |
| 02:41.03 | zinx | more like metacity, gnome-session |
| 02:41.04 | cr3 | zinx: I have to admit I don't know the difference between the two |
| 02:41.10 | gravity | zinx wins |
| 02:41.10 | tilrman | abrotman_: hmm i must be missing something then, ill boot the sucker up and try it again |
| 02:41.11 | zinx | gdm's a display manager |
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| 02:41.29 | zinx | cr3: the session manager will generally start a window manager |
| 02:41.33 | zinx | cr3: if that helps any.. |
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| 02:41.46 | zinx | cr3: (it starts lots of stuff) |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman__ | more tail! |
| 02:41.50 | gravity | A session manager doesn't manage your login credentials though, at least by definition |
| 02:41.56 | gravity | A display manager does |
| 02:42.18 | gravity | Not sure if that's a proper definition, but that's one way of looking at it. I really need to dig in and figure out the exact difference one of these days |
| 02:42.22 | cr3 | zinx: if I use an .xsession file, I guess I should be putting the session manager in there then so that the window manager is started along other things |
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| 02:42.45 | abrotman__ | gravity: oh .. session manager isn't gdm .. doh .. |
| 02:42.48 | stew | gravity: do you know if /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy is needed any longer? |
| 02:42.48 | gravity | cr3: If you run gnome, yeah you want to do that. If you just run a window manager, you may not care about a session manager |
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| 02:42.51 | zinx | cr3: if you're running a full-blown desktop environment, yes, you'll want to put a session manager there rather than just a window manager |
| 02:42.58 | gravity | stew: I still have no real idea what that file is for |
| 02:43.16 | gravity | I need to attack that bug soonish |
| 02:43.23 | cr3 | zinx: I think I will try both so that I can get a feel of the difference between the two |
| 02:43.38 | stew | gravity: ok, someone here was claiming it was keeping R7 from starting, but i couldn't replicate it. it isn't part of r7 at all its seems, and mine runs fine without it. |
| 02:43.39 | zinx | cr3: a session manager just starts lots of programs, including a window manager |
| 02:43.43 | cr3 | zinx: if I just start the gnome window manager (metacity), do you think I'll get the toolbar? |
| 02:43.52 | cr3 | err, I mean "panel" :) |
| 02:43.58 | zinx | cr3: generally it'll start a panel and whatever applications you 'saved' as open too, for example |
| 02:44.06 | zinx | cr3: you won't. |
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| 02:44.17 | gravity | stew: We had to patch the server to do something about that file, but I think it was just correcting the path. I still don't understand much beyond that |
| 02:44.17 | zinx | cr3: unless you start it manually |
| 02:44.35 | cr3 | zinx: interesting, the difference is much clearer now, thanks! |
| 02:44.47 | dn4 | how do I get ladspa.h |
| 02:45.16 | zinx | dn4: ladspa-sdk apparently |
| 02:45.52 | dn4 | zinx, what command di you use to figure that oout? |
| 02:45.58 | stew | dn4: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 02:45.59 | zinx | dn4: apt-file search ladspa.h |
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| 02:46.44 | dn4 | it would be sweet to have om-synth in the debian apt-get |
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| 02:46.52 | dn4 | instead of me having to download all these packages |
| 02:46.52 | lastnode | when i apt-get a kernel image, it automatically puts it in /boot/, correct? |
| 02:47.04 | dn4 | then compile om-synth manually |
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| 02:47.16 | nse | every time i restart my computer i have to unmute the volume and ifup eth0 to bring my interface up. what's wrong with my system, does not it should done automatically? |
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| 02:49.28 | zinx | dn4: you can always debianize it |
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| 02:49.43 | dn4 | zinx, how to on that? |
| 02:49.53 | zinx | dn4: there's a howto on debian.org |
| 02:50.01 | zinx | as well as the full-blown docs |
| 02:50.01 | dn4 | ok sweet I might just do that in the future |
| 02:50.21 | luscas | can anybody help me with an usb mp3 player that i tried to use to install debian on my pc from it? |
| 02:50.37 | Dewi | luscas: ouch |
| 02:50.40 | cob | what the hell |
| 02:50.42 | Dewi | luscas: I lost one like that |
| 02:50.59 | luscas | Dewi, man, please don't say me that |
| 02:51.09 | luscas | i messed up its firmware |
| 02:51.21 | lastnode | luscas, most manufacturers let you download firmware these days. |
| 02:51.22 | tilrman | lastnode: yes, it will, though it will not modify /etc/lilo.conf for you |
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| 02:51.59 | luscas | lastnode, but i don't even know the firmware.. its chinese i guess.. i have no idea where to search it ( i tried google, already) |
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| 02:52.10 | luscas | i mean |
| 02:52.14 | luscas | i even know the manufactor |
| 02:52.24 | lastnode | tilrman, ill be using lilo from my existing gentoo install. so i can fix that up here. thanks. :) and also, when i apt-cache search for ipw2200, the only package available is ipw2200-source. does that mean i have to compile it? :\ |
| 02:52.53 | lastnode | luscas, what can #debian do about it, then, mate? |
| 02:53.29 | luscas | i don't know, sorry... maybe that was because i was looking for 'how to install debian from an usb stick' |
| 02:53.40 | tilrman | lastnode: that likely what it means, and im never able to get them to work either |
| 02:53.42 | luscas | i thought someone here tried to do the same stupid thing that i did hehe |
| 02:53.59 | tilrman | lastnode: unless you can find a non-official somebody who's compiled it for you |
| 02:54.20 | K|NgGh0sT | argh this install hates me |
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| 02:54.57 | lastnode | tilrman, there is talk of inkernel ipw2200 after 2.6.15, maybe ill try that out first |
| 02:56.38 | rxed | lastnode: modules supplied with 2.6.16.14 are too old. the latest version 3 can be easily downloaded from the website. |
| 02:56.39 | lastnode | tilrman, it didnt copy a kernel image to /boot/ |
| 02:56.41 | stew | lastnode: 2.6.15 has ipw2200 support already |
| 02:56.52 | lastnode | stew, yeah i might just try that out |
| 02:57.14 | rxed | it's not going to work dude. |
| 02:57.18 | rxed | I have ipw2200 |
| 02:57.22 | dli | lastnode, it's already there in 2.6.14 |
| 02:57.25 | rxed | with WPA2 :-) |
| 02:57.52 | lastnode | rxed, how did you get yours to work? |
| 02:57.53 | amphi | lastnode: it compiles quite easily, mind you I'm using an oldish version, 1.0.4 |
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| 02:58.08 | rxed | !ipw2200 |
| 02:58.08 | lastnode | amphi, you make it, and then modprobe it? that's it? |
| 02:58.08 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ip2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:58.13 | rxed | there you go |
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| 02:58.52 | rxed | you have to disable current kernel support for ipw2200 before you run ma. |
| 02:59.06 | lastnode | rxed, the in kernel version wont work? |
| 02:59.11 | rxed | lastnode: no |
| 02:59.19 | rxed | lastnode: wait, not for WPA and WPA2 |
| 02:59.19 | lastnode | so i have to compile a kernel from scratch? |
| 02:59.24 | lastnode | i dont want wpa |
| 02:59.24 | rxed | lastnode: no |
| 02:59.29 | rxed | what do you want? |
| 02:59.37 | lastnode | i just want bare bones 802.11bg |
| 02:59.42 | rxed | no auth? |
| 02:59.45 | lastnode | nope |
| 02:59.45 | tilrman | lastnode: for me: dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 | grep /boot/vm -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-k7 . . . course i'm running something of an old kernel |
| 03:00.02 | lastnode | the kernel is called vmlinuz? |
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| 03:00.12 | lastnode | zomg it's my firewall! |
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| 03:00.24 | rxed | lastnode: just follow that how-to that dpkg prompted few min ago. |
| 03:00.45 | rxed | lastnode: you are using debian, right? |
| 03:01.00 | lastnode | rxed, im chrooting in to my new deb install. i installed via debootstrap |
| 03:01.22 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) NV(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors above for possible reasons |
| 03:01.30 | K|NgGh0sT | I need help with that |
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| 03:02.38 | rxed | DPKG's how-to for ipw2200 is screwed up. |
| 03:02.59 | rxed | First, the URL is wrong. It's ipw2200.sourceforge.net, NOT ip2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 03:04.05 | stew | !ipw2200 =~ s#ip2200#ipw2200# |
| 03:04.05 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 03:04.15 | K|NgGh0sT | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found |
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| 03:04.17 | stew | rxed: what else? |
| 03:04.21 | K|NgGh0sT | seems to be the issue |
| 03:04.22 | werdna | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.28 | rxed | It's also missing a step where you download the packages with m-a. |
| 03:04.37 | werdna | any idea why no such device is found? |
| 03:04.52 | stew | rxed: m-a a-i downloads them |
| 03:04.59 | rxed | stew: just a sec. |
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| 03:05.26 | Mulian | how can i make my kmenu look like the windoz "start" menu? |
| 03:05.33 | Mulian | is there a prog to do that? |
| 03:05.36 | yome | Hi. What's the package name for firegox? |
| 03:05.39 | stew | werdna: no such device usually means that the driver couldn't find any hardware that it supports |
| 03:05.43 | lastnode | can someone tell me what is wrong with this lilo.conf? - http://pastebin.ca/56490 |
| 03:05.44 | yome | firefox, that is. |
| 03:05.49 | lastnode | lilo dies when i try to update it |
| 03:05.52 | abrotman | apt-cache search firefox |
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| 03:06.01 | yome | abrotman, nice, thanks. |
| 03:06.18 | abrotman | !tell yome about grounding |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | !tell yome about refcard |
| 03:06.35 | Wickednix | is there anything that is simulat to Ipswitches Whats up for linux? |
| 03:06.35 | yome | Eh :) Thanks again. |
| 03:06.50 | gravity | abrotman: Maybe he wants firegox, did you ever think of that? Huh? Huh? Huh? |
| 03:07.07 | abrotman | gravity: do i need to make a goatse joke now? |
| 03:07.52 | stew | goatse camera!: http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/6875/6875358cv1a.jpg |
| 03:07.55 | jetscreamer | !gvid |
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| 03:08.15 | abrotman | stew: do not show that to paul ... |
| 03:08.19 | werdna | hmm apparently there is something up with the latest kernel |
| 03:08.31 | stew | abrotman: will he leave in a huff? |
| 03:08.37 | lastnode | is vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 my kernel? |
| 03:08.38 | abrotman | werdna: i'm guessing it's not your machine ... |
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| 03:08.45 | werdna | it is |
| 03:08.49 | werdna | this is my machine :) |
| 03:09.03 | abrotman | stew: possibly .. based on the tshirt incident the other day ... |
| 03:09.11 | tilrman | lastnode: try running lilo with -v to see where it dies |
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| 03:09.22 | K|NgGh0sT | I ould like help with x issues... http://pastebin.ca/56495 |
| 03:09.24 | stew | abrotman: t-shirt, was that thing with a toaster a t-shirt? |
| 03:09.32 | jetscreamer | dpkg, gvid is <reply> you need the vlc plugin for mozilla to watch google videos. 'mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC' |
| 03:09.32 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 03:09.38 | abrotman | stew: no .. it was a tshirthell shirt .. let me see if i can find it |
| 03:09.39 | tilrman | lastnode: is that your *entire* lilo.conf? because youll need more |
| 03:09.39 | _matej | lastnode: what do you get uname -a |
| 03:09.49 | abrotman | stew: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=112 |
| 03:09.49 | _matej | s/get/get from/ |
| 03:09.51 | lastnode | tilrman, no, some of it |
| 03:09.57 | rxed | stew: ok, it took a while but I found it. |
| 03:09.59 | werdna | abrotman, while I was out X and did the nvidia one liner it told me to go to nvidia's website which was odd |
| 03:09.59 | K|NgGh0sT | Thats after the one line nvidida install |
| 03:10.03 | lastnode | _matej, im chrooting from gentoo, uname -r is not gonna help |
| 03:10.18 | abrotman | werdna: i don't know anything about nvidia binary drivers |
| 03:10.37 | _matej | lastnode: OK, then you should know what you are doing ... ;-) |
| 03:10.39 | werdna | jetscreamer, any idea why I get this error hehe |
| 03:10.49 | jetscreamer | yeah you did it wrong :o |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | i volunteered you! |
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| 03:11.00 | lastnode | tilrman, Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686: No such file or directory |
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| 03:11.00 | lastnode | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.02 | werdna | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.17-rc4-vanilla/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 03:11.24 | tilrman | lastnode: ok, does that file exist? |
| 03:11.30 | jetscreamer | try the rc4 |
| 03:11.30 | rxed | stew: 1) m-a prepare & m-a -f get ipw2200-source ieee80211-source + the rest should stay as-is. |
| 03:11.34 | lastnode | tilrman, it does. is that the kernel? |
| 03:11.42 | _matej | lastnode: yes |
| 03:11.44 | tilrman | lastnode: it should be |
| 03:11.46 | jetscreamer | lastnode i bet you have multiple disks on >1 controller |
| 03:11.50 | tilrman | lastnode: are you doing this on a running system? |
| 03:11.52 | Noboru | I have a question please |
| 03:11.58 | lastnode | /dev/hda1 is mounted as /mnt/debian |
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| 03:12.06 | Noboru | I was told by a person that it will have higher data security with one set of SCSI HDD than 2 sets of SATA/PATA HDDs in RAID 1 ?? really ? |
| 03:12.07 | lastnode | tilrman, im running /sbin/lilo from my gentoobox |
| 03:12.16 | lastnode | /etc/lilo.conf is what im editing, on my gentoo box |
| 03:12.20 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 03:12.23 | lastnode | im chrooting in, as i said before |
| 03:12.35 | tilrman | lastnode: are you doing chroot or lilo -r /mnt/debian (i think its -r)? |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | Noboru: put the pipe down |
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| 03:12.49 | lastnode | lilo -r ? |
| 03:12.53 | Noboru | abrotman, excuse me ? |
| 03:12.57 | jetscreamer | werdna: the nvidia installer usually breaks when they change the kernel |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | Noboru: what was the rationale? |
| 03:13.05 | rxed | stew: did you get that? |
| 03:13.09 | jetscreamer | at least lately |
| 03:13.21 | jetscreamer | and you're not even running a finished kernel |
| 03:13.22 | werdna | jetscreamer, yeah mine is going wacko |
| 03:13.40 | Noboru | abrotman, About the data security for a server purpose |
| 03:13.45 | stew | rxed: yeah, what is wrong with m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200? |
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| 03:13.47 | abrotman | stew: you don't like that shirt? |
| 03:13.51 | werdna | m-a prepare && m-a a-i -f nvidia |
| 03:13.52 | tilrman | lastnode: uh-oh, i think youve got it all wrong . . . you probably need to chroot into /mnt/debian, then install the kernel pkg, then modify the lilo.conf, then run lilo |
| 03:13.55 | abrotman | Noboru: that's not a rationale |
| 03:13.57 | werdna | time to try that while not here |
| 03:13.59 | werdna | brb |
| 03:14.00 | stew | abrotman: i do |
| 03:14.02 | Noboru | abrotman, I thought pata/sata in raid 1 is good enough though hmm |
| 03:14.09 | rxed | stew: it doesn't get the source files. |
| 03:14.14 | tilrman | lastnode: assuming you can do all of that from the chroot, which in theory at least you can |
| 03:14.14 | jetscreamer | it's not the easiest thing to run lilo from a chroot |
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| 03:14.17 | lastnode | tilrman, ive done the first two steps. im modifying lilo.conf on my gentoo box! |
| 03:14.18 | stew | rxed: yes, it does |
| 03:14.21 | abrotman | Noboru: what was your friend's rational for using SCSI and it being more secure? |
| 03:14.26 | jetscreamer | mount /proc when you're chrooted in |
| 03:14.33 | stew | rxed: man m-a |
| 03:14.39 | lastnode | tilrman, for some reason, it cant seem to find /dev/hda1/ /boot/vmlinuz |
| 03:14.44 | Noboru | abrotman, But a guy who does this business for a living just told me : One SCSI beats pata/sata in raid 1,i was like ..shocked |
| 03:14.53 | lastnode | tilrman, i dont want debian to run lilo, i want to run it off my existing box |
| 03:14.55 | rxed | stew: look, I tried it. It doesn's do that. Maybe it should do it, but it doesn't unless you say what you need aka. m-a -f get ipw2200-source ieee80211-source |
| 03:15.05 | abrotman | Noboru: for performance .. or security? |
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| 03:15.08 | tilrman | lastnode: oh, i see |
| 03:15.14 | _matej | Noboru: there are many wackos around computers ... ;-) |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | Noboru: it's debatable |
| 03:15.21 | Noboru | abrotman, I didn't ask him much,he just told me that ,maybe its his own opnion |
| 03:15.22 | stew | rxed: what version of module-assistant do you have installed? |
| 03:15.30 | tilrman | lastnode: so then you need lilo.conf to have image=/mnt/debian/boot/vmlinuz... |
| 03:15.36 | _matej | Noboru: why does it matter for you? |
| 03:15.43 | abrotman | Noboru: your question should have been phrased about "Data integrity" .. not data security .. but regardless |
| 03:15.48 | lastnode | tilrman, really? but would tha twork at boot? |
| 03:15.52 | tilrman | lastnode: likewise with initrd |
| 03:15.53 | abrotman | Noboru: any drive can fail after 1,000 hours |
| 03:15.53 | Noboru | abrotman, for security,to ensure the security of the datas |
| 03:16.02 | lastnode | because ive set root=/dev/hda1 |
| 03:16.12 | Noboru | _matej, server needs a HDD |
| 03:16.16 | rxed | stew: 0.10.3 |
| 03:16.20 | myboxen_ | sorry, if someone tried to answer my question, my irc connection burped, I would appreciate it if you could repeat it. |
| 03:16.21 | tilrman | lastnode: i think so :-) lilo just needs to know where the kernel physically resides on the disk |
| 03:16.30 | _matej | Noboru: OK |
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| 03:16.42 | Noboru | abrotman, I see |
| 03:16.45 | tilrman | lastnode: it writes the physical location of the kernel, not the path |
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| 03:16.58 | abrotman | Noboru: the reputation is that SCSI will last longer .. but there is no sure way to tell .. the MTBF for most drives is like 1,000,000 hours now or some crap |
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| 03:17.02 | jerware | fellaz |
| 03:17.02 | werdna | ok yeah the nvidia installer is breaking on me |
| 03:17.04 | onetinsoldier | hi. i have some questions about the kernel framebuffer driver options... i have an ati radeon card. obviously i need to compile in the 'framebuffer support' driver. what i am wondering is then do i need to compile in the VESA VGA and ATI Radeon framebuffer drivers? or just the ATI Radeon one? |
| 03:17.07 | werdna | which sucks |
| 03:17.11 | lastnode | ok well here goes |
| 03:17.14 | lastnode | bbs tilrman :) |
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| 03:17.19 | abrotman | Noboru: ask #hardware for more specifics |
| 03:17.21 | werdna | how do I make it so the nvidia installer does not breka |
| 03:17.25 | jerware | i downloaded ndiswrapper source, how do i open a file of type .deb? which utility/program do i use? |
| 03:17.31 | abrotman | werdna: buy intel? |
| 03:17.38 | tilrman | mwahaha, that's what he thinks! ;-) |
| 03:17.39 | werdna | is there another method to installing nvidia glx ? |
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| 03:17.48 | Noboru | abrotman, You mean that MTBF for those modern pata/sata HDDs are improved a lot which closes to SCSI's ? |
| 03:17.49 | _matej | jerware: you don't open it -- install it with dpkg -i |
| 03:17.49 | werdna | abrotman, intell? |
| 03:18.10 | Noboru | abrotman, Okay,thanks a lot |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | Noboru: do your research before you buy anything .. ask #hardware .. it's not releated to Debian |
| 03:18.21 | Noboru | ok |
| 03:18.24 | jerware | _matej: all right thanx. thats even easier than using compiling by hand |
| 03:18.26 | _matej | jerware: you will then find ndiswrapper.tar.gz in /usr/src, untar it and go to /usr/src/modules/ for your source code. |
| 03:18.36 | Noboru | abrotman, I will run debian on it hehe |
| 03:18.37 | jerware | oh ok |
| 03:18.37 | werdna | abrotman, since whend id intel make grpahics cards? |
| 03:18.38 | werdna | hahah |
| 03:18.40 | stew | rxed: i have the same, and m-a a-i fetches it for me |
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| 03:18.45 | abrotman | Noboru: i know .. but it's a hardware question |
| 03:18.56 | Noboru | okay,sorry/thanks,going to that channel |
| 03:18.56 | abrotman | werdna: get a motherboard with one on it! |
| 03:19.21 | _matej | werdna: since long time ago (I have the one here ;-)) |
| 03:19.26 | jerware | _matej: as i untar it, do i manually specifiy /usr/src/modules ? |
| 03:19.30 | werdna | I have an old nvidia geforce 2 32mb ddr |
| 03:19.51 | _matej | jerware: no just cd to /usr/src and then tar xvzf ndiswrapper.tar.gz |
| 03:19.59 | jerware | ok thanx |
| 03:20.03 | werdna | I can live without games hehe |
| 03:20.09 | abrotman | buy a ps2 |
| 03:20.16 | rxed | stew: are you on testing? |
| 03:20.19 | gravity | nethack won't leave you |
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| 03:20.28 | abrotman | gravity: robotfindskitten! |
| 03:20.37 | gravity | Right, I was supposed to run that or something |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | gravity: hehe |
| 03:20.48 | stew | rxed: i've tested it with stable and with the version from testing |
| 03:21.03 | onetinsoldier | stew: can i bug you for a sec? |
| 03:21.09 | rockstar_ | Hey, anyone used the fireglcontrolpanel utility |
| 03:21.13 | gravity | I wish I had time for some games. I want to try out oolite and enemylines and such |
| 03:21.17 | jerware | ndiswrapper is the first driver i am installing manually. i cant use apt-get becuase the PC im working on doesent have an internet connection. must i look anythinh else up when it comes to driver installing? such as kernel patching? |
| 03:21.54 | gravity | jerware: You shouldn't. The ndiswrapper documentation worked well for me, but you need to be sure you have a local copy of it of course |
| 03:22.01 | Neoteric | jerware: dude sneakernet rules |
| 03:22.05 | rxed | stew: look, there is nothing wrong with adding that one step. m-a -f get ipw2200-source ieee80211-source before m-a a-i ipw2200 ieee80211 will do no damage. In will only help people that run in to the problem. By the way, did install ipw2200 WPA2 on 4 laptops with testing and I allways had to add that extra line. |
| 03:22.30 | Skrot | Hi. Can LVM-partitions be encrypted? |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | gravity: robotfindskitten isn't much of a game .. but it is .. entertaining |
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| 03:23.39 | rockstar_ | I've got an app I'm trying to run that can't find a library that I know lives in /usr/lib |
| 03:23.45 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I make KDM the default display manager? |
| 03:23.50 | rockstar_ | Anyone got some hints in forcing the guy to see that? |
| 03:24.04 | gravity | K|NgGh0sT: (as root) dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 03:24.07 | _matej | K|NgGh0sT: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 03:24.13 | _matej | shoot ;-) |
| 03:24.20 | stew | rxed: if you think you have discovered a bug in m-a, please file a bug |
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| 03:24.42 | stew | onetinsoldier: just ask |
| 03:24.44 | rxed | stew: I'm not going to loose sleep over it. :-) It works fine for me. |
| 03:24.52 | stew | rxed: please file a bug |
| 03:25.16 | stew | rxed: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 03:25.46 | onetinsoldier | hi. i have a question about the kernel framebuffer driver options... i have an ati radeon card. obviously i need to compile in the basic 'framebuffer support' driver. what i am wondering is what else do i need to include? the VESA VGA and ATI Radeon framebuffer drivers? or just the ATI Radeon one? |
| 03:25.58 | tilrman | rockstar_: try LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libfoo.a /usr/bin/app |
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| 03:26.00 | stew | onetinsoldier: why bother compiling your own kernel at all, why not just use a debian kernel? |
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| 03:26.17 | werdna | http://pastebin.com/721779 <-- any ideas? |
| 03:26.21 | amphi | onetinsoldier: just the radeon one |
| 03:26.23 | _matej | stew: is there a one with suspend2? |
| 03:26.24 | rxed | onetinsoldier: CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m |
| 03:26.29 | onetinsoldier | stew: there are plenty of good reasons to compile you own kernel ;-) |
| 03:26.32 | stew | _matej: |
| 03:26.35 | stew | no |
| 03:26.41 | gidl | Hello |
| 03:26.46 | _matej | stew: here is your reason ;) |
| 03:26.48 | stew | _matej: (most people don't have a good reason though) |
| 03:26.51 | onetinsoldier | amphi: allright. thank you! |
| 03:27.04 | rockstar_ | tilrman : Says it can't be preloaded, and then the app errors out again... |
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| 03:27.47 | tilrman | rockstar_: why can't it be preloaded? |
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| 03:28.38 | onetinsoldier | stew: i can start listing reasons... i have compiled my kernel with the specific architecture(P4). an optimization. I also picked the two options that optimize it for 'desktop' as opposed to 'server'(scheduler)... i can go on |
| 03:28.48 | rockstar_ | tilrman, doesn't say. |
| 03:29.18 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: hehe... howdy man |
| 03:29.23 | lastnode | !ipw2200 |
| 03:29.24 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 03:29.37 | jetscreamer | !tell lastnode -about msg |
| 03:29.56 | lastnode | sorry jetscreamer |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 03:29.58 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
| 03:30.19 | lastnode | guys, i booted in to my 2.6.15 kernel, and ipw2200 wont load. do i have to modprobe it? |
| 03:30.40 | abrotman | recompile it? |
| 03:30.44 | amphi | lastnode: yeah, modprobe the hell out of it |
| 03:30.46 | rxed | lastnode: what do you see in lsmod | grep ipw2200 |
| 03:31.17 | lastnode | if it's in the kernel though, do i still have to modrpobe it? |
| 03:31.41 | lastnode | because /lib/modules/ is empty |
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| 03:32.10 | rxed | lastnode: do you have kernel headers installed> |
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| 03:32.57 | derek_ | howdy |
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| 03:33.14 | lastnode | ok this is wierd, it cant find /etc/apt/sources.list now. have i mucked up my fs? |
| 03:33.14 | derek_ | can someone help me maybe?? |
| 03:33.20 | lastnode | !ask |
| 03:33.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:33.41 | oogy | i have a question and i'm not sure where to ask it.. |
| 03:33.50 | oogy | i dropped an oil filter on my hard drive |
| 03:34.02 | derek_ | o.O |
| 03:34.05 | oogy | and it seems to have died |
| 03:34.06 | oogy | sort of |
| 03:34.09 | derek_ | heh |
| 03:34.10 | derek_ | uh |
| 03:34.13 | oogy | i went to the directory |
| 03:34.14 | oogy | typed ls |
| 03:34.16 | derek_ | time for a new HDD? |
| 03:34.18 | oogy | and all the directories were there |
| 03:34.22 | derek_ | ah |
| 03:34.27 | oogy | but they had weird scrambled characters throughout |
| 03:34.31 | oogy | like mp3 was now m?3 |
| 03:34.34 | oogy | so i rebooted |
| 03:34.35 | derek_ | can i ask you a quick question |
| 03:34.38 | derek_ | HOW?? |
| 03:34.40 | oogy | and now i cant mount them |
| 03:34.42 | oogy | so |
| 03:34.47 | oogy | them being the two partitions |
| 03:34.56 | oogy | so i formatted the one that had already been empty |
| 03:34.57 | oogy | and it works now |
| 03:35.01 | derek_ | ah |
| 03:35.04 | oogy | but i dont want to format the other one because it has all my mp3s on it |
| 03:35.10 | lastnode | anyone here running ipw2200 off the 2.6.15 kernel, w/o other packages? |
| 03:35.10 | oogy | this is what mount tells me |
| 03:35.17 | oogy | EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,66)): ext3_check_descriptors: Inode bitmap for group 143 not in group (block 1078427649)! |
| 03:35.18 | rxed | lastnode: yes |
| 03:35.19 | derek_ | does anyone know how to change the CC enviroment |
| 03:35.20 | oogy | EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted ! |
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| 03:35.31 | rxed | lastnode: 2.6.16.14 |
| 03:35.33 | oogy | if anyone has any advice on restoring this partition |
| 03:35.39 | oogy | i will give you a free mail order bride |
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| 03:35.49 | derek_ | OOHHHOHOH |
| 03:35.56 | derek_ | i want one of those :P |
| 03:36.04 | JunK-Y | i dont see any netinstall for weekly builds (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/ ) any point? |
| 03:36.20 | derek_ | i am not sure how |
| 03:36.27 | derek_ | you said it doesnt mount right |
| 03:36.40 | oogy | thats what dmesg says |
| 03:36.44 | derek_ | hmmm |
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| 03:36.57 | derek_ | see i know of a way to maybe recover it |
| 03:37.08 | derek_ | but you need to mount first |
| 03:37.16 | derek_ | so idk |
| 03:37.22 | oogy | yea |
| 03:37.24 | lastnode | rxed, did you have to modprobe it? and did you have to install other firmware? |
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| 03:37.39 | oogy | it gives me the old mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2, error |
| 03:37.43 | derek_ | anyone know how to change the CC enviroment |
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| 03:37.47 | rxed | lastnode: wait, what do you mean without other packages? you can't run ipw2200 without firmware package + ieee stuff. |
| 03:37.48 | tilrman | oogy: dont try to mount it. see if you can copy the data off to another partition or into a file with dd |
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| 03:38.01 | oogy | okay |
| 03:38.08 | rxed | lastnode: ok, try this: |
| 03:38.12 | tilrman | oogy: check dmesg for read errors |
| 03:38.13 | oogy | never used dd before |
| 03:38.20 | rxed | lastnode: m-a prepare |
| 03:38.28 | rxed | lastnode: m-a -f get ipw2200-source ieee80211-source |
| 03:38.33 | derek_ | i compiled my kernel with GCC 3.4 and i have 4.0 installed and it wont allow me install my nvidia drivers |
| 03:38.34 | oogy | dmesg gives me the errors i pasted above |
| 03:38.37 | rxed | lastnode: m-a a-i ipw2200 ieee80211 |
| 03:38.51 | derek_ | OH |
| 03:38.54 | tilrman | oogy: dd cannot give you mount errors |
| 03:39.07 | tilrman | oogy: dd first, then check dmesg |
| 03:39.52 | oogy | l |
| 03:39.52 | oogy | k |
| 03:39.52 | rxed | lastnode: apt-get install wireless tools too |
| 03:40.19 | rxed | lastnode: I have to go to bed soon... where are you stuck? |
| 03:40.27 | oogy | have a good guide on the web for dd? ive never used it before |
| 03:40.44 | lastnode | rxed, im just deboostrapping again, ive logged this convo though. thanks |
| 03:40.53 | lastnode | wth is m-a? |
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| 03:40.57 | lastnode | oh modules-assistant |
| 03:41.06 | rxed | lastnode: yes, apt-get that first of course. |
| 03:41.19 | lastnode | rxed, but if ipw2200 is in the kernel |
| 03:41.23 | lastnode | why do i need the source package? |
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| 03:41.36 | lastnode | or is that package the firmware? |
| 03:41.53 | rxed | lastnode: because your firmware and your modules have to match. |
| 03:42.07 | tilrman | oogy: dont know of one, sorry . . . google for linux dd data recovery |
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| 03:42.12 | rxed | lastnode: firmware 2.2 is NOT compatible with 3.0 dirvers etc. |
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| 03:42.23 | derek_ | anyone know how to change the CC enviroment Version |
| 03:42.36 | Stevie-O | the what? |
| 03:42.49 | derek_ | CC enviroment |
| 03:42.51 | lastnode | rxed, so if i follow thos steps im good? thanks. |
| 03:42.56 | Stevie-O | what is CC environment |
| 03:43.08 | stew | derek_: something like: "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 make" |
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| 03:43.22 | Stevie-O | only wimps use gcc 3.3! |
| 03:43.24 | derek_ | like when you compile your kernel it says hey you used GCC ver XX |
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| 03:43.27 | k-god | Stevie-O: An environment variable defining your preferred CC compiler command. |
| 03:43.31 | rxed | lastnode: yes, m-a will get an older version of drivers but they will work just fine. |
| 03:43.39 | Stevie-O | k-god: Where does the Version part come into play? |
| 03:43.41 | rxed | nite. |
| 03:43.53 | Stevie-O | you know what the real problem with Debian is? |
| 03:44.03 | Stevie-O | it's too fast. |
| 03:44.10 | Stevie-O | You want a package, you apt-get install it, and it's there |
| 03:44.22 | Stevie-O | Installing X takes mere minutes |
| 03:44.39 | Stevie-O | Now, Gentoo, they've got it right. X takes all night to install on Gentoo! |
| 03:44.47 | derek_ | ROFL |
| 03:44.50 | k-god | Stevie-O: NFC. Depends on what's doing the environment. |
| 03:44.57 | Stevie-O | Obviously, all that extra time must be important for something |
| 03:45.03 | Stevie-O | ;) |
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| 03:45.10 | derek_ | want to know what a great distro is |
| 03:45.10 | k-god | Stevie-O: Usually this stuff is determined by automake if you're building from sources. |
| 03:45.13 | derek_ | mandrake |
| 03:45.16 | derek_ | oh yeah |
| 03:45.23 | k-god | Stevie-O: You _could_ buy a Mac and get #fink. |
| 03:45.28 | derek_ | i still have mandrake 9 disks |
| 03:45.30 | gravity | Although less so these days |
| 03:45.34 | derek_ | :D |
| 03:45.41 | k-god | Stevie-O: Debian's user-friendliness, Gentoo's speedy install's, and BSD's feature-rich userland. |
| 03:45.46 | stew | gravity: someday, you'll actually know what you are doing |
| 03:45.47 | Stevie-O | I _could_ use all the cheap old pcs that people give me |
| 03:45.48 | lastnode | thank rxed |
| 03:45.55 | Stevie-O | A machine at work had its hd die |
| 03:45.58 | k-god | gravity: Now why would you install X manually? |
| 03:45.58 | derek_ | _ |
| 03:45.59 | gravity | stew: Hahahaha |
| 03:46.08 | Stevie-O | They were gonna just throw it out! They gave it to me for free |
| 03:46.09 | gravity | k-god: Because I hate myself but I love Debian? |
| 03:46.18 | k-god | gravity: And we love you for that, man. |
| 03:46.21 | gravity | hehe |
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| 03:47.35 | Stevie-O | Netflix! Hurry up! Send me more! |
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| 03:47.49 | jetscreamer | lol@gravity |
| 03:47.52 | k-god | Stevie-O: Send 'em to me. |
| 03:48.09 | k-god | Stevie-O: I'm two episodes behind this season, and need to get 1-4 in sequence at some point. |
| 03:48.14 | Stevie-O | Well I think Netflix wants them back |
| 03:48.18 | k-god | Feh. |
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| 03:48.30 | Stevie-O | and you mean seasons 1-4? |
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| 03:48.50 | Stevie-O | Well I have season 1 and season 2 discs 1-3 |
| 03:49.45 | Stevie-O | Hey, my machine suffered a cataclysmic failure while it was installing some packages and I have some broken things |
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| 03:49.57 | Stevie-O | What's a good way to repair them? |
| 03:49.59 | menko | hello, what's the best app to use as a replacement for msaccess> |
| 03:50.02 | menko | ? |
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| 03:50.09 | Stevie-O | anything? |
| 03:50.25 | menko | First thought was oobase, but I thought maybe there was something faster and better |
| 03:50.35 | gary | use synaptic |
| 03:50.53 | Neoteric | menko: perl |
| 03:51.16 | Stevie-O | gary: was that to me? |
| 03:51.37 | k-god | menko: anything ;-) |
| 03:51.44 | oogy | if you use dd to backup a partition, what do you do with the .img file you now have? |
| 03:51.50 | stew | Stevie-O: what is the actual error |
| 03:52.02 | Stevie-O | various dependency problems |
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| 03:52.15 | k-god | Stevie-O: 'dpkg --configure --pending' is often a good way to start, but it depends on the error. |
| 03:52.17 | Stevie-O | package foo depends on package bar, but package bar is not configured yet |
| 03:52.20 | gary | some time's synaptic can repair them :) |
| 03:52.23 | stew | Stevie-O: so you run apt-get, and the output is "various dependency problems" |
| 03:52.26 | k-god | Stevie-O: If there's smoke in the air, I'd suggest something else. |
| 03:52.39 | k-god | Stevie-O: dpkg --configure --pending. |
| 03:52.44 | Stevie-O | again |
| 03:52.45 | Stevie-O | package foo depends on package bar, but package bar is not configured yet |
| 03:52.55 | k-god | Stevie-O: When doing what I said, twice? |
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| 03:53.03 | Stevie-O | yes |
| 03:53.06 | stew | Stevie-O: dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:53.06 | Stevie-O | yes |
| 03:53.08 | Stevie-O | err |
| 03:53.34 | menko | I've never used a database before so I doubt perl... |
| 03:54.01 | Stevie-O | I am doing that you guys |
| 03:54.14 | stew | oogy: you can "-o loop" mount it, or you could dd/cp/cat it back to another partituion if the partition is exactly the same size |
| 03:54.15 | Stevie-O | oh, here's something informative |
| 03:54.23 | Stevie-O | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
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| 03:54.31 | k-god | Stevie-O: Ok... |
| 03:54.46 | Stevie-O | Starting PostgreSQL 7.4 database server: maininvoke-rc.d: initscript postgresql-7.4, action "start" failed. |
| 03:54.51 | k-god | Stevie-O: post-inst scripts live in /var/dpkg/info/<packagname>.postinst |
| 03:54.55 | stew | Stevie-O: put "set -x" into in /var/lib/dpkg/info/bar.postinst |
| 03:54.59 | oogy | okay i think i figured it out |
| 03:55.01 | k-god | Stevie-O: 'bash -x' that manually to see what the error is. |
| 03:55.05 | oogy | i wonder if i'll save any data this way :> |
| 03:55.12 | oogy | moral of the story dont drop crap on harddrives |
| 03:55.17 | k-god | stew: Easier IMO to bash -x invoke the script. |
| 03:55.26 | k-god | stew: No edits involved. |
| 03:55.34 | stew | k-god: tell him the exact command line then |
| 03:55.48 | k-god | Stevie-O: bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/<package>.postinst |
| 03:56.15 | Stevie-O | + invoke-rc.d postgresql-7.4 start |
| 03:56.15 | Stevie-O | Starting PostgreSQL 7.4 database server: maininvoke-rc.d: initscript postgresql-7.4, action "start" failed. |
| 03:56.15 | Stevie-O | + exit 2 |
| 03:56.18 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... should spew a bunch of stuff on screen. If it fails, you're interested in the last screen or so. If you need to capture output do a pipe redirect or ask how. |
| 03:56.24 | stew | k-god: you need to pass it a command, like configure |
| 03:56.42 | k-god | stew: Um. I don't _think_ so, may be wrong. |
| 03:57.21 | k-god | Stevie-O: You can pretty safely ignore that if we can get postgresql started later. Edit that file and add a "true" as the very last line. That forces success. |
| 03:57.41 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... should work and you can now finish the rest of your package config/install. |
| 03:58.43 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 03:59.00 | Stevie-O | I put an 'exit 0' at a suitable-looking spot and it became happy |
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| 03:59.48 | Stevie-O | is there anything else to twiddle? |
| 04:00.27 | k-god | Stevie-O: Try 'dpkg --reconfigure --pending' again, should wrap up the rest of your unconfigured packages. |
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| 04:00.41 | k-god | Stevie-O: Might make a note of which script that was so you can un-bung it later. |
| 04:01.01 | Stevie-O | yeah, it did |
| 04:01.05 | k-god | Stevie-O: OK. |
| 04:01.05 | Stevie-O | thanks for your help, dude :) |
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| 04:01.20 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... No probs. See if you can't install what you wanted now. |
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| 04:02.59 | Stevie-O | this cheapo video card doesn't line anything much |
| 04:03.15 | Stevie-O | I try to start X and boom |
| 04:05.05 | Stevie-O | let's see if I can make X start without crashing, shall we? |
| 04:06.57 | k-god | Stevie-O: ;-) |
| 04:07.20 | k-god | Stevie-O: lspci. What's the card? |
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| 04:12.48 | Stevie-O | k-god: something called an XGI Volari |
| 04:13.18 | k-god | Stevie-O: The exact output line's going to be more useful. Google that. |
| 04:13.22 | Stevie-O | the x-server gives a bunch of errors and hardlocks the machine if I try to make it work at 1280x1024x24 |
| 04:13.25 | Stevie-O | Oh, I've googled. |
| 04:13.59 | Stevie-O | It really pisses me off that the video card companies won't open up their chips |
| 04:14.01 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... and in general, starting with a limited setup, then ramping up values, tends to work better. Straight svga @ 800x600 @60Hz for starters. |
| 04:14.16 | k-god | Stevie-O: Well, you don't have to buy 'em. Onboard or PCI/AGP? |
| 04:14.23 | Stevie-O | well, the refresh rate doesn't really matter for non-CRT displays |
| 04:14.45 | Stevie-O | Cheapo AGP card that has a DVI port |
| 04:14.49 | k-god | OK. |
| 04:15.21 | Stevie-O | Anyway, it's working mostly now, at some configuration that I'm uncertain of, because I have no keyboard or mouse hooked up to the thing :) |
| 04:15.36 | Stevie-O | I just wanted to see if I could make it show up on my TV. Maybe run an old genesis emulator. |
| 04:15.40 | Stevie-O | I never did beat Kid Chameleon |
| 04:15.41 | k-god | Heh. |
| 04:15.46 | Stevie-O | :) |
| 04:15.51 | gravity | I sorta remember that game |
| 04:16.18 | Stevie-O | Huge freaking game |
| 04:16.18 | k-god | Stevie-O: Seen? http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart1.shtml |
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| 04:16.57 | k-god | Stevie-O: Looks like the SIS driver might work for you. |
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| 04:18.47 | Stevie-O | Thanks, except that my card isn't one of those. Mine's one of the newer trident-based designs |
| 04:19.37 | K|NgGh0sT | wooot |
| 04:19.40 | K|NgGh0sT | almost done my setup |
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| 04:19.45 | Stevie-O | good job |
| 04:19.48 | K|NgGh0sT | time to get mythtv to work |
| 04:19.50 | angelozs | apt, mplayer ? |
| 04:19.51 | apt | somebody said mplayer was read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
| 04:19.59 | Stevie-O | You know what to do next, right, KingGhost? |
| 04:20.09 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm working on it slowly |
| 04:20.13 | K|NgGh0sT | I got the database to work |
| 04:20.19 | K|NgGh0sT | setup the mysql password |
| 04:20.31 | Stevie-O | no, install apt-proxy and build several more machines :) |
| 04:20.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Later ;) |
| 04:20.49 | K|NgGh0sT | After I master this heh |
| 04:20.58 | Stevie-O | Then master distcc. |
| 04:21.17 | K|NgGh0sT | Mythtv looks like its going to be a bitch |
| 04:21.39 | Stevie-O | a female dog? |
| 04:21.47 | K|NgGh0sT | mmmhmmm |
| 04:21.49 | K|NgGh0sT | smells bad |
| 04:21.54 | K|NgGh0sT | always wants sex |
| 04:21.58 | K|NgGh0sT | and demands attention |
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| 04:22.31 | Stevie-O | I can in no way recommend attempting to have sex with a mythtv box |
| 04:22.47 | K|NgGh0sT | heh |
| 04:22.55 | K|NgGh0sT | damnit, mythtv cant connect to x |
| 04:23.16 | Stevie-O | graphics are overrated |
| 04:23.21 | Stevie-O | just link mythtv to aalib |
| 04:23.28 | K|NgGh0sT | not in a htpc :P |
| 04:23.46 | Stevie-O | I wonder if there's an aalib dvd player |
| 04:24.21 | K|NgGh0sT | probally |
| 04:24.36 | K|NgGh0sT | watching tv on aalib would be interesting |
| 04:24.57 | Stevie-O | I did that once. piped aaxine to the mpeg output of a hauppage wintv card |
| 04:25.07 | K|NgGh0sT | thats awesome |
| 04:25.10 | jetscreamer | mplayer can do i 'think' |
| 04:25.14 | K|NgGh0sT | did it look cool? |
| 04:25.43 | Stevie-O | Yes it did. |
| 04:25.50 | Stevie-O | I watched bits of Gone in 60 Seconds |
| 04:26.03 | Stevie-O | I remember seeing the TNT logo in the corner. |
| 04:26.07 | Stevie-O | "We Know Drama" |
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| 04:26.53 | mailnewbie | Qual a relação de trabalho entre o Mail Transfer Agent e o servidor imap? |
| 04:27.08 | elohayelohim | postfix? |
| 04:27.13 | Stevie-O | !es |
| 04:27.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:27.27 | mailnewbie | postfix/exim/sendmail.. qualquer um |
| 04:27.40 | mailnewbie | eu na verdade aceito também dicas sobre qual escolher |
| 04:27.44 | stew | any question that ends in imap i not likely to be answered with postfix |
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| 04:27.55 | gravity | !br |
| 04:27.56 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:27.58 | elohayelohim | mta is not an impa issue |
| 04:28.01 | elohayelohim | imap* |
| 04:29.08 | mailnewbie | oh man, sorry by portuguese!! I'm broken! |
| 04:29.32 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 04:29.33 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:29.39 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:29.41 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 04:30.23 | mailnewbie | I asked: What is the relationship without MTA and imap server? What the first do? And the secound..!? I'm confused once I don't know a difference with this guys.. |
| 04:30.36 | deadcat | how do i disable the ads on gmail? its kinna annoying. |
| 04:30.40 | deadcat | or google? |
| 04:30.41 | elohayelohim | exim is debians default mta |
| 04:31.11 | elohayelohim | apt-cache search imap mailnewbie |
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| 04:31.28 | Stevie-O | woo. |
| 04:32.14 | mailnewbie | elohayelohim, looks like that you do not understood my doubt.. |
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| 04:32.54 | elohayelohim | exim is debians default mta -- so there only question left is which imap you want |
| 04:33.00 | mailnewbie | elohayelohim, I'm confused about the function of a Mail Transfer Agent.. Is it just an SMTP server? |
| 04:33.08 | gravity | elohayelohim: MTA first. IMAP second. I don't know much more than that I'm afraid. |
| 04:33.10 | elohayelohim | mta = smtp services |
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| 04:33.25 | mailnewbie | humm |
| 04:33.25 | gravity | mailnewbie: ^ |
| 04:33.30 | mailnewbie | cool! |
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| 04:33.45 | deadcat | no one think the ads on google is annoying? |
| 04:33.51 | elohayelohim | nope |
| 04:33.57 | elohayelohim | yahoo is worse |
| 04:34.01 | gravity | The text ads? No, not really. |
| 04:34.14 | elohayelohim | its ot here anyways |
| 04:34.15 | deadcat | oh my god... i fucking hate google |
| 04:34.24 | gravity | Don't use it then |
| 04:34.31 | gravity | There's other search engines out there |
| 04:34.35 | deadcat | the gmail has 2gig (= |
| 04:34.43 | gravity | So does your hard drive |
| 04:34.45 | deadcat | normal mail goes to freeshell.org |
| 04:34.59 | k-god | deadcat: You can't use adblock on 'em? I haven't used gmail, wouldn't know. |
| 04:35.33 | K|NgGh0sT | anyone ever messed with mythtv? |
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| 04:35.41 | deadcat | k-god: i tried. but didnt work. the only way to disable those gmail ads is using a fake useragent. but that will disable most of the feature.. which is ok.. i guess |
| 04:36.21 | k-god | deadcat: No CSS hacks? If they're an independent element you should be able to set that to no display. |
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| 04:36.36 | gravity | maybe a greasemonkey script could hide them |
| 04:36.49 | deadcat | k-god: hmm. |
| 04:36.51 | gravity | I've never messed with greasemonkey to know more than that though |
| 04:37.01 | deadcat | gravity: is that a plugin? |
| 04:37.13 | gravity | deadcat: I'm honestly not sure. Google around, it's pretty popular |
| 04:37.18 | deadcat | (= |
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| 04:37.34 | gravity | Or... er... altavista around |
| 04:37.35 | WorldBFree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:38.47 | deadcat | gravity: what are you working on in terms of Xorg? |
| 04:38.48 | tabris|away | debian etch, PIII 866 i810 chipset. at boot "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." "Done" "ALERT! /dev/hda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" Help! |
| 04:39.01 | gravity | deadcat: Fixing packaging bugs so that it can migrate to testing |
| 04:39.06 | k-god | WorldBFree: Depends on what the d/l'd files are. |
| 04:39.12 | deadcat | gravity: cool. |
| 04:39.14 | gravity | The focus is on x11-common right now |
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| 04:39.28 | k-god | WorldBFree: They're likely some wrapper around a reasonably open codec, but which, exactly, may vary. |
| 04:39.36 | gravity | I'm just trying to squash as many bugs as I can, from RC to wishlist |
| 04:39.43 | deadcat | (= |
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| 04:41.27 | WorldBFree | k-god: they are protected wma files |
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| 04:42.20 | k-god | WorldBFree: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:42.35 | tabris|away | Anyone else having this problem? <-> debian etch, PIII 866 i810 chipset. at boot "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." "Done" "ALERT! /dev/hda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 04:42.46 | k-god | WorldBFree: ... see if that can handle 'em for you. LinuxJournal just ran an item about using some commandline tools to grab a/v streams. |
| 04:42.47 | sadrul | hi. any ideas on this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/a1LUCp70.html ? |
| 04:42.52 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: yea, i had that after an apt-get upgrade. |
| 04:42.59 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: solution? |
| 04:43.16 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: installed ubuntu breezy. |
| 04:43.17 | k-god | tabris|away: SATA disk? Likely a driver update. |
| 04:43.27 | tabris|away | k-god: nope. IDE PATA |
| 04:43.33 | tabris|away | k-god: too old for SATA anyway. |
| 04:43.35 | cat | sadrul: did you do apt-get -f install |
| 04:43.36 | cat | ? |
| 04:43.41 | sadrul | yeah |
| 04:43.42 | unix_infidel | its debian etch, its not stable, so ditched it and went for ubuntu. |
| 04:43.42 | k-god | tabris|away: Hrm. Boot Knoppix ;-) |
| 04:43.56 | tabris|away | k-god: did. upgraded kernel again. no luck. |
| 04:44.20 | cat | try rm /var/cache/apt/archives/render-dev_1%3a0.9.2-1_all.deb and then apt-get -f install |
| 04:44.21 | k-god | tabris|away: You also want to check what your HD shows as. /dev/hda vs. /dev/sda vs. ??? |
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| 04:44.36 | tabris|away | k-god: it's hda3. really. I know, custom partitioning. plus, it shows up that way under Knoppix. |
| 04:44.42 | k-god | tabris|away: drop to shell, mount /proc, and cat /proc/partitions. |
| 04:45.26 | k-god | tabris|away: Knoppix != your booted kernel. When you get that error, you're in your initrd, running your installed kernel. Try working within that. You can extend the initrd environment if necessary. |
| 04:45.29 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: i tried googling and didnt find a quick solution. |
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| 04:46.12 | sadrul | cat: i get the same error message (the only diff. being it fetches first) |
| 04:46.35 | tabris|away | k-god: I'm in the initrd. /proc/partitions is empty. /sys/block has nothing but ramX |
| 04:46.36 | cat | sadrul: is this sid? |
| 04:46.45 | tabris|away | k-god: piix driver is loaded in /proc/modules |
| 04:46.49 | k-god | tabris|away: Interesting. |
| 04:47.00 | tabris|away | k-god: curious on lack of ide-disk |
| 04:47.15 | k-god | tabris|away: Well, you might want to add that module to your initrd. |
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| 04:47.27 | tabris|away | k-god: just loaded it manually, it works. how do I modify initrd ? |
| 04:47.29 | tabris|away | k-god: got a howto? |
| 04:47.40 | k-god | tabris|away: Boot knoppix, mount your root partition, chroot into it, and update initrd. |
| 04:47.47 | sadrul | cat: yeah |
| 04:47.52 | cat | no wonder, |
| 04:48.02 | k-god | tabris|away: The initrd file itself is a cramfs image, IIRC. |
| 04:48.04 | tabris|away | k-god: did that last time, no luck. what do i have to modify so it will do the right thing this time? |
| 04:48.08 | cat | sid brakes easily that's why sadrul you shouldn't used it unless you know what you're really doing |
| 04:48.36 | k-god | tabris|away: man mkinitrd. IIRC there's a way to specify modules which must be loaded. The default is to use the current loaded modules list. |
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| 04:48.52 | tabris|away | k |
| 04:48.52 | k-god | tabris|away: ... and obviously, if kernel properties are changing, you're going to get stuck in a bind if that's the final word. |
| 04:49.05 | k-god | !uuoc cat |
| 04:49.20 | sadrul | cat: eh :) |
| 04:49.21 | gravity | hrmpf... why hasn't that bug been reported? |
| 04:49.32 | k-god | gravity: What bug? The one I just described? |
| 04:49.34 | tabris|away | gravity: mebbe it's your turn to report it. |
| 04:49.43 | gravity | tabris|away: I'm the one who'll fix it |
| 04:49.51 | gravity | k-god: No, the render-dev bug that sadrul has |
| 04:49.56 | k-god | gravity: Ah. |
| 04:50.01 | k-god | sadrul: File a bug! |
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| 04:50.19 | gravity | Ah, now I see |
| 04:50.28 | sadrul | k-god: oh! |
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| 04:51.14 | gravity | I'm not sure if render-dev has been supersceded though... |
| 04:51.20 | gravity | it may simply be obsolete |
| 04:51.31 | tabris|away | k-god: got curious. after I loaded the module, I hit Ctrl-D (to exit the shell). suddenly it starts booting :D |
| 04:51.40 | dragonfly | when i was in here last night some people were talking about stress testing hard drives...what was the name of the utility? i thought it was like diana or something liek that but havne't been able to find it |
| 04:51.49 | Stevie-O | it's called hammer. |
| 04:51.53 | Stevie-O | Most drives don't pass the test. |
| 04:52.03 | tilrman | dragonfly: bonnie? |
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| 04:52.05 | tabris|away | dragonfly: bonnie |
| 04:52.18 | tabris|away | dragonfly: or bonnie++ |
| 04:52.22 | gravity | Actually... yeah, render-dev is obsolete |
| 04:52.24 | dragonfly | maybe that was the one |
| 04:52.26 | gravity | I should conflict with that |
| 04:52.30 | dragonfly | thanks tilrman and tabris|away |
| 04:52.52 | gravity | Ah, I do |
| 04:52.55 | gravity | Ok, so that's not a problem |
| 04:53.05 | gravity | sadrul: Why exactly are you installing render-dev again? |
| 04:53.15 | cat | k-god: that really isn't a bug |
| 04:53.18 | k-god | tabris|away: that's what initrd does. |
| 04:53.26 | sadrul | gravity: i have no clue. i dist-upgraded, and now it wants to install this |
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| 04:53.39 | cat | it's just a conflict with dependecies |
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| 04:53.45 | gravity | sadrul: From what to what? |
| 04:54.01 | sadrul | from ubuntu-hoary to debian-sid |
| 04:54.05 | gravity | ugh |
| 04:54.08 | k-god | tabris|away: When you boot, using an initrd, you first load up a ramdisk image with the stuff you need to boot, if everthing goes well (there are some scripts run), that shell exits, you mount your root FS, and boot into that with init. |
| 04:54.15 | Stevie-O | wait |
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| 04:54.22 | Stevie-O | you did a cross-distro dist-upgrade? |
| 04:54.25 | gravity | sadrul: Ok, well... that's your problem in a nutshell |
| 04:54.41 | k-god | tabris|away: It's a *very* cool hat trick. Most of the time, if things go wrong, you'll drop to a shell in initrd and might be able to fix things. Sometimes just exiting that shell works. |
| 04:54.51 | sadrul | i am beginning to realize that |
| 04:54.55 | k-god | tabris|away: ... the question is why you dropped to the initrd shell in the first plce. |
| 04:54.57 | gravity | sadrul: Such things are not supported. The X packages have a lot of stuff to potentially allow this sort of thing, but it's in no ways officially supported. If you want to submit an appropriate patch I'll apply it, but for this you're on your own |
| 04:55.06 | sadrul | any way i can "fix"? |
| 04:55.08 | tabris|away | k-god: presumably the lack of the ide-disk module. |
| 04:55.15 | tabris|away | k-god: I'm testing that theory atm. |
| 04:55.28 | Stevie-O | sadrul: d-i? |
| 04:55.37 | k-god | tabris|away: Sometimes that's just timing. IIRC one of the initrd updates just upped a wait interval by a few seconds to allow drivers to load properly. |
| 04:55.42 | sadrul | StereoSkit: erm, eh? |
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| 04:55.54 | gravity | sadrul: Remove render-dev all together and replace it with xproto-render-dev |
| 04:55.59 | k-god | tabris|away: Try rebooting again, see if it hangs at the same place. May just be transient. May not be. |
| 04:56.09 | tabris|away | k-god: perhaps... but loading it by hand worked. and yes, I tried rebooting multiple times. |
| 04:56.09 | Stevie-O | sadrul: d-i is the Debian Installer ;) |
| 04:56.12 | k-god | Stevie-O: My first debian install happened under a red hat system. |
| 04:56.14 | StereoSkit | O_O |
| 04:56.23 | cat | sadrul: use sarge, |
| 04:56.29 | Stevie-O | k-god: you didn't use rpm to try to upgrade, though, did you? |
| 04:56.35 | k-god | tabris|away: OK. There's a way to invoke shell on the initrd itself, I think it prompts you. |
| 04:56.43 | k-god | Stevie-O: No, hand-rolled it.... |
| 04:56.51 | Stevie-O | debootstrap I assume |
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| 04:56.58 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... then wrote docs on it, which are now appendix C of the Debian Installation Manual. |
| 04:57.04 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 04:57.08 | k-god | Stevie-O: This was pre-debootstrap. |
| 04:57.08 | dragonfly | is there a way to make number lock default to on? or last used? |
| 04:57.12 | Stevie-O | Ouch. |
| 04:57.27 | Stevie-O | I wrote up a doc on how to install debian into a UML without needing root access |
| 04:57.36 | k-god | Stevie-O: Really not that difficult. We had the potato2_2.tgz image, about 15 MB. |
| 04:57.51 | Ademan | when someone logs into vsftp as a local user, do they have the permissions of that local user? or do they have the default ftp account's permission? |
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| 04:58.08 | Stevie-O | Ademan: You'll have to ask the vsftp people for help on that |
| 04:58.11 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... untar that, tweak some stuff manually (fstab, network, etc), populate /etc/apt/sources.list, then IIRC it was dselect. |
| 04:58.19 | tabris|away | k-god: well, it's still not booting right this time. i'm gonna have to try more interesting methods... like mebbe insisting that it actually loads the module... cuz it presumably was already there... |
| 04:58.19 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... might have been apt-get by then. |
| 04:58.20 | Gimp_ | what package would you guys suggest i use for a pop3 server, and an smtp server? |
| 04:58.23 | tabris|away | k-god: just not _loading_ -.- |
| 04:58.45 | Stevie-O | k-god: How far we have come... |
| 04:58.45 | k-god | !tell Gimp_ about search |
| 04:58.57 | k-god | Gimp_: exim4 for smtp. Not sure abput pop3. |
| 04:59.03 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 04:59.03 | dpkg | postfix systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 04:59.04 | k-god | tabris|away: Sec. |
| 04:59.12 | Stevie-O | are you sure you want pop3? |
| 04:59.15 | Stevie-O | imap's way cooler |
| 04:59.34 | Gimp_ | Stevie-O: i don't need the emails to be saved on the server, and i don't have enough space to do that. |
| 04:59.39 | streuner | Gimp_: if you don't wanna *WASTE* time, just install popa3d |
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| 04:59.58 | Stevie-O | pop3 it is then |
| 05:00.06 | Stevie-O | i wonder what happened to pop1 and pop2 |
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| 05:00.11 | elohayelohim | \= |
| 05:00.16 | elohayelohim | lol |
| 05:00.19 | Stevie-O | Did they go the way of ipv5? |
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| 05:00.42 | Stevie-O | (incidentally, what happened to ipv1, ipv2, and ipv3?) |
| 05:00.46 | k-god | tabris|away: /usr/share/doc/initrd* something should have docs. Suggest you start there. I'm on OS X. |
| 05:00.59 | tabris|away | k-god: k. |
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| 05:01.09 | tabris|away | k-god: I did fine some stuff in /etc/mkinitramfs/ |
| 05:01.11 | tabris|away | *find |
| 05:01.29 | k-god | tabris|away: Sounds about right. Some stuff in Google, howtos on mkinitrd, etc. |
| 05:01.30 | Stevie-O | k-god: I'm going to need a bigger hard disk :( |
| 05:01.36 | k-god | Stevie-O: Howdat? |
| 05:01.53 | oogy | question: i have an image backup of a harddrive using dd from a bad hard drive, how would i go about repairing this .img file so i can mount it and save as much data as possible? (i dont know what im doing here :>) |
| 05:02.23 | k-god | Is there any way to query an svn server as to what repos it has? |
| 05:02.26 | Stevie-O | like svn ls ? |
| 05:02.37 | Stevie-O | the repos all start at / |
| 05:02.38 | k-god | svn <???> svn+ssh://hostname/svn/ |
| 05:02.44 | Stevie-O | ??? == ls |
| 05:02.57 | k-god | Stevie-O: I know there's two, but if I do an ls at /svn/ I get no repos. |
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| 05:03.14 | Stevie-O | what if you just do /hostname/ |
| 05:03.25 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: you get an answer yet? |
| 05:03.34 | k-god | Stevie-O: Nope. |
| 05:03.39 | Stevie-O | dunno then |
| 05:04.06 | k-god | tabris|away: /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 05:04.09 | Stevie-O | k-god: where the hell is Seagate with those perpendicular drives? |
| 05:04.13 | k-god | tabris|away: ... may be the answer to your prayers. |
| 05:04.25 | Gimp_ | alright, for some reason, i just got an email from root@localhost.localdomain that says mysqlcheck has found corrupt tables, how do i fix these "corrupt" tables? |
| 05:04.30 | Stevie-O | Aren't we supposed to have 1TB 3.5" drives by now? |
| 05:04.44 | Stevie-O | Gimp_: switch to a sql server that doesn't suck? :D |
| 05:04.46 | k-god | Stevie-O: 750 GB last I heard. |
| 05:04.57 | Gimp_ | Stevie-O: shush. |
| 05:04.57 | tabris|away | k-god: yeah. seems to be a list of stuff to include, not load. plus, since I can obv load the module from the BusyBox shell, methinks it's there, but not loaded auto. I'm thinking I need something clever like one of the top-local scritps or something. |
| 05:04.59 | k-god | Stevie-O: Appoint an independent prosecutor. |
| 05:05.29 | k-god | tabris|away: The initrd scripts run in a pretty straightforward manner. If you can mount the initrd, it should be evident. |
| 05:05.51 | k-god | tabris|away: As I've mentioned, I'm not on Debian ATM. |
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| 05:06.11 | unix_infidel | k-god: lol, you're in windows? |
| 05:06.22 | k-god | tabris|away: IIRC, /linuxrc is init. |
| 05:06.22 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: OS X |
| 05:06.24 | k-god | unix_infidel: OS X |
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| 05:06.52 | Stevie-O | This is all pretty much moot, because initrd is on the way out. Initramfs is the way of the future. |
| 05:07.01 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: mind giving me a quick pm if you find your solution (preferably with URL) |
| 05:07.06 | tabris|away | Stevie-O: well, it's using initramfs. |
| 05:07.14 | k-god | Stevie-O: solving todays problems with tomorrows vapor doesn't do much. |
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| 05:07.23 | Stevie-O | what's vapor? |
| 05:07.32 | tabris|away | Stevie-O: vapourware |
| 05:07.36 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: there's a reasonablt chance I'll end up having to write it up myself in order for there to be a URL at all. |
| 05:07.43 | Gimp_ | streuner: alright, are their any docs for popa3d? |
| 05:07.57 | Stevie-O | I'm asking, what is it that he claims is vapo[u]rware |
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| 05:08.06 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: i suppose i can accept that... :P |
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| 05:08.42 | Gimp_ | streuner: nevermind, found them |
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| 05:09.14 | streuner | Gimp_: /usr/share/doc/<package>/ is default in debian |
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| 05:09.58 | k-god | Stevie-O: Telling someone that they should solve their problem with $SHINY_NEW_THING when they're using $OLD_ESTABLISHED_STANDARD doesn't exactly solve $CURRENT_PROBLEM. |
| 05:10.06 | k-god | Stevie-O: ... so it's a pretty irrelevant comment. |
| 05:10.34 | streuner | Gimp_: keep in mind, popa3d is just a simple pop3 server.., nothing more or less |
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| 05:11.10 | streuner | Gimp_: in order to send mails you need to configure a MTA |
| 05:11.25 | Gimp_ | streuner: how simple... pop3 is to receive mail. i know that, but i need to know how to setup the accounts |
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| 05:12.39 | streuner | it takes care of every user in the system... |
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| 05:13.03 | Gimp_ | streuner: n00b explaination? |
| 05:13.25 | K|NgGh0sT | anyone know howto go a dvb card working in deb? |
| 05:13.43 | cat | K|NgGh0sT: try searching in google.com/linux |
| 05:13.55 | K|NgGh0sT | have... its all gentoo stuff |
| 05:13.56 | k-god | So, if you've got multiple SVN trees you check out, what's a typical way to organize these? Consider them fully seperate projects? |
| 05:14.27 | zu22 | i have package xserver-xfree86 in an old unstable that hasn't been updated in 18 months, i want to move to xorg server so what is best way to handle this? purge xserver-xfree87 and then update and then install xorg package? |
| 05:14.58 | Gimp_ | streuner: do you mean i create the accounts by making another user on the system? (each system user = an email acc?) |
| 05:15.01 | _rene_ | just upgrade |
| 05:15.04 | cat | 87? or 89? |
| 05:15.07 | streuner | right |
| 05:15.07 | _rene_ | xserver-xfree86 will go away |
| 05:15.17 | cat | (86 |
| 05:15.33 | zu22 | _rene_: dist-upgrade right? |
| 05:16.11 | cat | yeah zu22 |
| 05:16.39 | evaded | K|NgGh0sT: Look on 'TLDP' about it. It have help to setup my tv card |
| 05:16.52 | K|NgGh0sT | what make? |
| 05:16.59 | evaded | !TLDP |
| 05:17.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, tldp is The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
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| 05:18.07 | evaded | K|NgGh0sT: I have not understand that last :-/ |
| 05:18.31 | K|NgGh0sT | is it a dvb card or coax? |
| 05:19.06 | evaded | K|NgGh0sT: It's an coax one |
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| 05:19.22 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm using a dvb card :/ |
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| 05:20.34 | zu22 | cat: ok |
| 05:20.35 | Marvin-Tux | Hi! Is there a Live-CD for Debian? |
| 05:20.40 | evaded | K|NgGh0sT: I have no experience with it. But have you look on TLDP? |
| 05:20.45 | K|NgGh0sT | yeah |
| 05:21.15 | evaded | Marvin-Tux: Not really of Debian, but Debian related like Knoppix, Kanotix.... and the list are very long |
| 05:21.17 | jclinton | Marvin-Tux: yes there is |
| 05:21.30 | jclinton | evaded: not true |
| 05:21.38 | stew | jclinton: there is not a debian livecd |
| 05:21.42 | Marvin-Tux | Where can I find it? |
| 05:21.43 | sanxiyn | http://live.debian.net/ |
| 05:21.50 | jclinton | stew: ownt |
| 05:21.52 | evaded | jclinton: It's not an official Debian one |
| 05:22.11 | sanxiyn | It aims to be an official one, which is different from Knoppix & co. |
| 05:22.19 | jclinton | its as official as its every going to be |
| 05:22.23 | jclinton | its packages are in main |
| 05:22.37 | jclinton | and it's been in debian weekly news and on several debian planet blog postings |
| 05:22.45 | jclinton | s/every/ever |
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| 05:22.51 | sanxiyn | jclinton: Well, that still doesn't make it official, but anyway. |
| 05:23.32 | jclinton | ok, lets argue about whether or not it is; good idea |
| 05:23.38 | sanxiyn | Marvin-Tux: There's #debian-live channel on the other network. |
| 05:24.00 | jclinton | Marvin-Tux: i'm the only developer online right now |
| 05:24.11 | sanxiyn | jclinton: Hehe. |
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| 05:24.28 | jclinton | but we can chat in that room if you really, really want to i guess |
| 05:24.31 | evaded | sanxiyn: It's not on the Freenode network?? |
| 05:24.39 | Marvin-Tux | Yes, THX to everybody. |
| 05:24.41 | jclinton | evaded: no it's not |
| 05:24.58 | Marvin-Tux | I have to go! CYA |
| 05:25.03 | evaded | jclinton: I have create it now on it ;-) but i leave it lol |
| 05:25.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:25.21 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:25.34 | dn4 | !women |
| 05:25.35 | dpkg | women is, like, woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html |
| 05:25.42 | evaded | tarzeau: Are you the author of it? |
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| 05:26.35 | sanxiyn | evaded: Apparently no. |
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| 05:27.03 | evaded | sanxiyn: I try to look with the cli cmd's but i have forget an cmd :-/ |
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| 05:28.08 | evaded | apt-cache show popcon |
| 05:28.13 | evaded | eops |
| 05:28.41 | evaded | sanxiyn: It's been that command ^ ? for popcon it's blanc and for the others it work |
| 05:30.20 | evaded | If you do 'apt-cache show popcon' is it blanc the output? |
| 05:31.13 | evaded | Or is it because it's not installed. Nope, i think |
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| 05:38.23 | elohayelohim | pretty popular lol |
| 05:38.56 | zu22 | anyway to see how many packages are available in unstable? is there a Debian package statistics page somewhere? :D |
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| 05:39.13 | zu22 | i'm writing up a small intro on Debian and want to say how many packages it has |
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| 05:41.47 | sanxiyn | zu22: You could word count http://packages.debian.org/unstable/allpackages.en.txt.gz |
| 05:42.13 | stew | !dstats |
| 05:42.23 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 18506 packages, 1677 maintainers, 40099 MB installed size, 12852 MB compressed size. |
| 05:42.34 | stew | !dstats stable |
| 05:42.40 | stew | zu22: ^^vv |
| 05:42.41 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1471 maintainers, 28170 MB installed size, 8869 MB compressed size. |
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| 05:43.30 | zu22 | thanks! |
| 05:43.50 | zu22 | 18,000 that is a lot :P |
| 05:43.55 | elohayelohim | 18 cds |
| 05:43.58 | elohayelohim | lol |
| 05:44.01 | zu22 | wow! |
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| 05:44.38 | sortadi | which version of scilab does debian feature? |
| 05:44.41 | stew | zu22: that includes contrib and non-free however |
| 05:44.47 | sortadi | because the latest scilab version is 4.0 |
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| 05:45.03 | sortadi | and all i see in debian is 3.x and only for unstable |
| 05:45.10 | sortadi | which is bad news for me |
| 05:45.18 | bobobo | hello |
| 05:45.32 | bobobo | any one here good with smtp |
| 05:45.36 | bobobo | commands |
| 05:46.37 | stew | sortadi: http://packages.debian.org/scilab ; also check http://bugs.debian.org/scilab ; see if anyone has filed a wishlist bug about a new version. if not, consider filing one, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 05:46.45 | bartlebee | the basics I suppose, what're you looking for? |
| 05:46.46 | stew | bobobo: if you have a real question, just ask |
| 05:46.51 | bobobo | ok |
| 05:46.53 | bobobo | then |
| 05:46.56 | bobobo | here we go |
| 05:47.19 | bobobo | what is the correct way in using the command expn all |
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| 05:47.50 | bobobo | while connect to port 25 |
| 05:47.57 | stew | bobobo: have you looked it up in the rfc? |
| 05:48.11 | bobobo | rfc ? |
| 05:48.17 | stew | !rfc2822 |
| 05:48.18 | dpkg | from memory, rfc2822 is Internet Message Format. P. Resnick. April 2001. (Obsoletes RFC0822) |
| 05:48.18 | bobobo | i googled it no use |
| 05:48.44 | bartlebee | bobobo, http://www.gordano.com/kb.htm?q=980 |
| 05:48.45 | stew | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html |
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| 05:49.04 | stew | !rfc2822 is also http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html |
| 05:49.04 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 05:49.37 | stew | !rfc822 is also ask me about <rfc2822> |
| 05:49.37 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 05:49.44 | bobobo | no one is there |
| 05:49.51 | bobobo | no one is there |
| 05:49.54 | bartlebee | bobobo: I think that URL explains it quite well |
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| 05:50.23 | bartlebee | it's just to find out subscribers on a mailing list if the remote server accepts it |
| 05:50.43 | stew | bobobo: oh thats probably esmtp which is 1869 |
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| 05:50.57 | dragonfly | i can get mp3s to play in totem but not xmms. suggestions? yes i already installed xmms-mad |
| 05:51.03 | dragonfly | and a couple of other plugins |
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| 05:52.21 | stew | dragonfly: which output plugin are you using? |
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| 05:55.54 | dragonfly | i'm using the alsa sound config |
| 05:56.28 | zu22 | stew: i see/ |
| 05:56.43 | zu22 | will alsa work in 2.4.18 kernel? (running unstable) |
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| 05:57.21 | sortadi | why was scilab gotten out of etch? |
| 05:57.29 | sortadi | it was both in woody and sarge |
| 05:57.31 | stew | zu22: it would if you added alsa drivers to it, but that is quite an old kernel. you should upgrade to 2.6 if you are on unstable |
| 05:57.35 | sortadi | but no sign of etch |
| 05:57.39 | sortadi | that's weird |
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| 05:58.13 | zu22 | stew: ok i am just nervous about upgrading, don't have any way to backup yet so i dont want to wipe out all my stuff |
| 05:58.29 | sortadi | zu22: you won't |
| 05:58.37 | stew | sortadi: it appears to be relatively unmaintained. packages with RC bugs often get removed from testing |
| 05:58.41 | zu22 | anyone know quick way to upgrade? |
| 05:58.52 | stew | zu22: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 05:58.53 | dn4 | how do I get it so that after 10 minutes the screen doesn't turn black while I am watchin a documentary? |
| 05:59.00 | zu22 | stew: lilo |
| 05:59.07 | zu22 | stew: i have dual boot system (win 98 / debian) |
| 05:59.09 | stew | zu22: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 05:59.11 | sortadi | stew: RC bugs? |
| 05:59.16 | stew | !rc |
| 05:59.16 | dpkg | i heard rc is for Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 05:59.18 | zu22 | stew: hang on let me check |
| 05:59.49 | stew | sortadi: release critical bugs are bugs that will cause a package to be removed and will keep a package from entering testing indefinately until they are fixed |
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| 06:00.13 | sortadi | so why the heck did it enter sarge? |
| 06:00.19 | sortadi | if it wasn't quite stable? |
| 06:01.22 | zu22 | stew: $ 2.4.18-foo |
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| 06:02.25 | zu22 | stew: what should i do next? i've never upgraded a kernel before |
| 06:02.47 | stew | zu22: uhh that's gonna be a tricky one |
| 06:02.53 | zu22 | stew: oh heh |
| 06:02.59 | cheal | sortadi: scilab isn't in sarge |
| 06:03.05 | dragonfly | anyone have ideas to try to get mp3s to play in xmms |
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| 06:03.19 | simonrvn | i doubt it is too |
| 06:03.19 | sortadi | ahh yes cheal |
| 06:03.20 | simonrvn | @info scilab sarge |
| 06:03.22 | sortadi | my mistake |
| 06:03.29 | sortadi | i am looking at a backport |
| 06:04.02 | zu22 | stew: any suggestions how i can proceed? |
| 06:04.46 | zu22 | simonrvn: i am running 2.4.18 kernel and my unstable hasn't been updated in 18 months, i wish to dist-upgrade and upgrade to a 2.6 kernel but i've never done it before. can you tell me the steps? |
| 06:05.10 | zu22 | simonrvn: running dual boot (debian/win98) with LILO |
| 06:05.13 | simonrvn | no since i'm eating right now |
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| 06:05.26 | sandman | Is there a better CD burning program than xcdroast? |
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| 06:05.55 | sortadi | sandman: try k3b |
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| 06:06.06 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 06:06.07 | sortadi | sandman: not on sarge though |
| 06:06.26 | solemnwarning | How do i do a minimal, MINIMAL install? |
| 06:06.45 | zu22 | simonrvn: ok i will stay in the channel :P |
| 06:06.58 | simonrvn | @tell zu22 -about ask |
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| 06:07.31 | zu22 | ah :P |
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| 06:07.54 | stew | zu22: are you good with lilo? |
| 06:07.56 | zu22 | hi people, i am running 2.4.18 kernel and my unstable hasn't been updated in 18 months, i wish to dist-upgrade and upgrade to a 2.6 kernel but i've never done it before. can you tell me the steps? running dual boot (debian/win98) with LILO |
| 06:08.11 | tilrman | solemnwarning: debootstrap, or just install normally and then don't install anything else |
| 06:08.16 | zu22 | stew: i was able setup LILO to dual boot that is about extend of it |
| 06:08.29 | zu22 | s/extend/extent |
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| 06:09.27 | stew | zu22: you should make a separate entry in lilo.conf for you current working kernel, one named linux-2.4.18 or something so you always have one working kernel to fall back on. |
| 06:09.43 | stew | zu22: then run lilo, make sure you can boot to it |
| 06:10.43 | stew | zu22: or /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 06:11.15 | zu22 | stew: nice, btw are u the mconnor in pgh? |
| 06:11.29 | stew | zu22: when that's workign you /msg dpkg sid upgrade kernel |
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| 06:11.37 | stew | and you win a chance to test udev |
| 06:11.51 | stew | zu22: i went to college in pgh from 90-93 |
| 06:11.56 | Shadowcat | heh 2.4 -> 2.6 can mean some major breakage |
| 06:12.12 | zu22 | stew: do i need to make copy of vmlinuz (or whatever it is called) cause that points to 2.4.18 now, when i upgrade it will point to 2.6.x and my old image will be gone no? |
| 06:12.25 | valdyn | zu22: no |
| 06:12.25 | secher | Like an idiot, I didn't inquire here before I did a dist-upgrade, and now it seems as though the upgrade borked ndiswrapper. Any ideas where I look for what to do? |
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| 06:12.29 | zu22 | stew: cool i am in pgh., i see a mconnor on WPLUG list |
| 06:12.36 | stew | zu22: not me |
| 06:12.44 | zu22 | shadowcat: oh what do u think may break? |
| 06:12.49 | stew | !yinzersmite zu22 |
| 06:12.58 | zu22 | stew haha that is funny |
| 06:13.01 | valdyn | secher: how did you install ndiswrapper? |
| 06:13.18 | zu22 | stew: i really dont' have a pittsburgh accent though :P but many do |
| 06:13.38 | secher | valdyn: with the one liner from /msg dpkg originally. |
| 06:13.53 | valdyn | secher: how is it 'borked' now? |
| 06:14.47 | stew | zu22: when you install the debian packaged kernel, you are going to have to add an initrd=/initrd.img to stanze for the default kernel in lilo.conf |
| 06:15.13 | zu22 | stew: ack i never setup initrd before? got a /msg dpkg for that? :P |
| 06:15.23 | stew | zu22: man lilo.conf |
| 06:15.28 | stew | or switch to grub |
| 06:15.28 | zu22 | ok |
| 06:15.43 | secher | after I did the dist-upgrade last night, the system no longer sees the NIC. I tried to rerun module assistant and it returns that ndiswrapper is looking for version <=1.5 of ndiswrapper-utils, but 1.8 is currently installed.. I figure some post-inst glitch. |
| 06:15.53 | zu22 | stew: thx |
| 06:15.58 | stew | but then switching to grub and 2.4->2.6 and adding udev from an out of date unstable sounds like a disaster waiting to happen |
| 06:16.13 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: it seems that upgrading to latest udev fixes it... (tho it causes a SLEW of warnings) |
| 06:16.13 | secher | valdyn^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:16.16 | valdyn | secher: on debian/sid? |
| 06:16.22 | secher | valdyn: Yes. |
| 06:16.34 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper sid |
| 06:16.38 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper-utils sid |
| 06:16.41 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: i cant even access the box, i'm just dropped into a shell |
| 06:16.43 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper-source sid |
| 06:16.49 | zu22 | stew: oh , so maybe i should update my debian packages and not try new kernel until afterwards? i dont want to break my system |
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| 06:17.08 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: well, I usually find that a short-term solution is to modprobe ide-disk |
| 06:17.14 | zu22 | stew: so udev replaces ext2? |
| 06:17.18 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-utils: (Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 06:17.25 | tabris|away | zu22: uhhh. hell no... udev is a devfs replacement. |
| 06:17.36 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: while inside that shell? |
| 06:17.40 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: yeah. |
| 06:17.50 | zu22 | tabris|away: oh as in in /dev/modem ? that type of dev? |
| 06:17.52 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: then reboot and hope that the kernel goes through to init? |
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| 06:18.20 | stew | zu22: be sure to report any bugs you encounter, this is the type of upgrade we have to be ready for once etch releases. |
| 06:18.20 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: no... then just hit Ctrl-D, which exits from that shell and continues the boot process. |
| 06:18.30 | echnaton | Hi. when i try to install xfce4 apt prints, that some packages have unmet dependencies, because some package where removed from unstable. But i have also included the testing repositories for such problems. how to fix that problem?! |
| 06:18.33 | tabris|away | unix_infidel: then upgrade to latest (etch) udev (0.91 i think) |
| 06:18.50 | secher | valdyn: to what end was the info request? were you trying to point sometiun out to me? If that was your intent, I missed it completely. |
| 06:18.53 | zu22 | stew: where do i send my bug report? what email address? |
| 06:19.00 | simonrvn | sticking in testing to fix unstable is Not A Good Idea |
| 06:19.02 | stew | zu22: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 06:19.13 | zu22 | stew: thx for all yer help |
| 06:19.34 | valdyn | secher: to see your problem 'borked' certainly was not enough |
| 06:20.22 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: ahh, well no point now, i'm in Kubuntu. |
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| 06:20.59 | unix_infidel | tabris|away: heh, i even tried dapper beta, but that proved to be bunk as well. |
| 06:21.05 | valdyn | secher: dpkg -l ndiswrapper-source | tail -1 |
| 06:21.18 | zu22 | btw the dpkg bot says that udev "breaks particularly often in unstable,", is there a way i can upgrade to 2.6.x kernel and NOT have it use udev? |
| 06:21.43 | simonrvn | udev is currently stable |
| 06:21.45 | zu22 | i've never used it before so i prolly dont' even need it |
| 06:21.51 | zu22 | simonrvn: oh ok |
| 06:22.00 | simonrvn | though if you don't want it, roll your own |
| 06:22.23 | zu22 | simonrvn: my cpu is slow anyways, i'm not to worried about performance heh |
| 06:22.34 | stew | zu22: compiling your own kernel is the other option, so that you don't need an initrd |
| 06:22.39 | stew | it has nothing to do with performance |
| 06:22.45 | zu22 | stew: oh |
| 06:22.49 | zu22 | ok |
| 06:23.42 | simonrvn | what he said :) |
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| 06:24.58 | Shadowcat | compiling a kernel does improve performance by like a few nanoseconds |
| 06:25.02 | Shadowcat | hardly anything to write home about |
| 06:25.06 | Shadowcat | but that's not the reason you do it |
| 06:25.24 | Shadowcat | you do it because you need some certain feature that's not in a stock kernel, or just want to know how to build a kernel |
| 06:25.33 | Shadowcat | err -certain |
| 06:25.38 | valdyn | secher: looks like you should use the prior version of ndiswrapper-source / ndiswrapper-utils, though no bug is in the bts yet |
| 06:26.08 | secher | valdyn: Hrm- says source is 1.15. Ahah.. after some additional checking, ... Yes |
| 06:26.20 | zu22 | shadowcat: ah |
| 06:26.22 | valdyn | secher: 1.15 isn't the latest |
| 06:26.34 | valdyn | secher: 1.16-1 |
| 06:26.59 | zu22 | shadowcat: is there a debian-2.6-kernel-HOWTO package i can read? :D |
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| 06:27.45 | secher | valdyn: I see where things went wrong.. Thanks much Valdyn. |
| 06:27.50 | Shadowcat | !tell zu22 about kernel-package |
| 06:27.51 | punsad | Anyone else notice that etch is scheduled to move to stable this december? |
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| 06:28.02 | secher | I just needed a nudge in the right direction. |
| 06:28.02 | simonrvn | newbiedoc.sf.net has a debian specific tut |
| 06:28.04 | Shadowcat | punsad: I'll believe it when I see it |
| 06:28.17 | simonrvn | punsad: yes |
| 06:28.24 | Shadowcat | plus it's not going anywhere as long as this XOrg 7 problem remains |
| 06:28.33 | punsad | Shadowcat: even if the schedule slips... this will be much faster than historically |
| 06:28.36 | simonrvn | which problem? :) |
| 06:28.38 | punsad | I don't like it |
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| 06:28.50 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: the one half the sid "users" were having |
| 06:29.03 | Shadowcat | or are having rather |
| 06:29.05 | simonrvn | there's advantages and disadvantages to it. |
| 06:29.23 | Shadowcat | yes but unless Etch is gonna ship with 6.9 |
| 06:29.24 | simonrvn | guess what, i'm running sid, and i haven't seen anything major |
| 06:29.25 | ahewitt | hi guys...does anyone know of a way that I can use a find command to spawn multiple copy processes to copy the results of the find to a different location?? I have tried "for x in `find...blah`" but that puts all the results in a single copy process which fails |
| 06:29.32 | Shadowcat | gravity better get back from debconf :P |
| 06:29.39 | aminorex | can i build an amd64 kernel, and reboot from an i386 debian install, and hope to succeed? |
| 06:29.50 | zu22 | shadowcat: thx |
| 06:29.55 | stew | Shadowcat: which xorg7 problem are you talking about? |
| 06:29.59 | Shadowcat | aminorex: cross compile |
| 06:29.59 | simonrvn | sid on 2 machines. (yes, ok, one of them doesn't run x, but whatever ;p) |
| 06:30.03 | echnaton | so currently Debian unstable users are not able to install xfce4 because of broken dependecy packages?! |
| 06:30.09 | Shadowcat | stew: just in general |
| 06:30.18 | simonrvn | @tell echnaton about hold |
| 06:30.34 | zu22 | shadowcat: what XOrg 7 problem? |
| 06:30.35 | aminorex | if i boot an amd64 kernel in an i386 user-space, that's cool? |
| 06:30.45 | dorel_ | how do i change the default music player in gnome from rhythm box to something else like mplayer? |
| 06:30.45 | stew | Shadowcat: gravity is aiming for the next x11-common upload to be the one that hopefully makes it to etch first |
| 06:30.50 | jengelh | aminorex : No. |
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| 06:30.57 | valdyn | aminorex: as long as that amd64 kernel has the i386 system calls, yes sure |
| 06:31.14 | valdyn | aminorex: that is what the amd64 kernels in the i386 repository do |
| 06:31.18 | Shadowcat | stew: as I told punsad before, unless this XOrg 7 problem is solved Etch is going no where |
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| 06:31.37 | simonrvn | ahewitt: script it; think about using xargs maybe |
| 06:31.38 | stew | Shadowcat: which problem? |
| 06:31.48 | stew | Shadowcat: do you have a bug#? |
| 06:31.48 | Shadowcat | stew: mostly the upgrade issues |
| 06:31.50 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: you here right now? |
| 06:31.57 | Shadowcat | stew: I was speaking in general |
| 06:32.17 | punsad | Shadowcat: yeah... I just installed etch on an extra laptop... it runs fine... no problems with X |
| 06:32.30 | Shadowcat | punsad: that's because XOrg 7 isn't in etch yet |
| 06:32.46 | Shadowcat | it's stuck in unstable until gravity, stew, kspath, etc iron out the issues |
| 06:33.02 | zu22 | So what is this XOrg 7 problem some are seeing? |
| 06:33.08 | Shadowcat | read the topic |
| 06:33.11 | zu22 | ok |
| 06:34.04 | stew | zu22: he hasn't mentioned an actual problem yet |
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| 06:34.09 | zu22 | ah |
| 06:34.39 | onetinsoldier | i had to reinstall debian... arrggh. radeonfb compiled into the kernel hosed me over. |
| 06:34.56 | Shadowcat | why did you have to reinstall debian? |
| 06:35.01 | Shadowcat | hosed kernels don't hose the install |
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| 06:35.15 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: well, it's like this... |
| 06:35.47 | Deffie | Hi all, a stupid question maybe, is mysql5 fully backward compatible with 4.1 ? |
| 06:36.02 | Shadowcat | Deffie: here's an idea, read the mysql documentation |
| 06:36.08 | simonrvn | www.mysql.com; they have docs there |
| 06:36.26 | Deffie | oh ops |
| 06:36.33 | Deffie | i tought was #debian |
| 06:36.37 | echnaton | simonrvn, but it is not recommenend to install a hold packages, because a dep package is missing. so why should i remove the hold^^ |
| 06:36.38 | Deffie | isnt it ? |
| 06:36.52 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: i had a good working kernel that i had been keeping around. i had been making adjuments to my kernel. that lastest ones were due to the fact that i was going to work on getting console framebuffer going. everything had been going so good that... |
| 06:36.56 | punsad | Deffie: doesn't seem your question is debian related |
| 06:37.07 | simonrvn | echnaton: you don't install held packages. what are you talking about? |
| 06:37.13 | Shadowcat | Deffie: whether or not a mysql version is downwards compatible or not isn't dependent on the packaging |
| 06:37.21 | Shadowcat | now if you're asking if you can install both at the same time in debian |
| 06:37.34 | Shadowcat | it's related to this channel |
| 06:37.56 | echnaton | simonrvn, I thought xfce4 was set to hold, because a/some dependency package/s are missing currently.?! |
| 06:37.58 | Shadowcat | onetinsoldier: you were stupid enough to uninstall the working kernel before you tested the new one right? |
| 06:38.28 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: i decided to uninstall that good working kernel and just have my lastet kernel compilatio installed and only it. then bang! as soon as i got rid of it the good working kernel, the lastet one i made, with radeonfb compiled into it... hosed me |
| 06:38.45 | Shadowcat | you can put the old one back you know |
| 06:38.47 | punsad | Shadowcat: the only difference between genious and stupidity is that genious has limits :) |
| 06:38.50 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: no.. i did not uninstall the 'working kernel' |
| 06:39.05 | simonrvn | echnaton: you put packages on hold for various reasons. like the bot told you, it's so the package won't get upgraded. i.e., held at the currently installed version |
| 06:39.22 | onetinsoldier | 'wroking' as in 'currently using' |
| 06:39.26 | onetinsoldier | *working |
| 06:39.29 | echnaton | simonrvn, I have not installed xfce yet. its just the base system with xorg |
| 06:39.32 | echnaton | ;) |
| 06:39.37 | simonrvn | onetinsoldier: so why di dyou remove it if you weren't sure? |
| 06:39.49 | simonrvn | echnaton: then wait |
| 06:39.52 | echnaton | okay |
| 06:40.05 | simonrvn | 'genius' |
| 06:40.20 | echnaton | So I dont need an advice to remove that hold-status! |
| 06:40.29 | punsad | simonrvn: i thought that looked wrong |
| 06:40.37 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: well, good question. i guess you could say since all the adjustments i had been doing were just fine i thought i'd be ok. |
| 06:40.39 | Shadowcat | usually removing a working kernel for an untested one counts as stupidity |
| 06:40.49 | sid | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9593_22-6072760.html |
| 06:40.52 | sid | WOO HOOO |
| 06:40.53 | simonrvn | from the latin, which came from the arabic, meaning spirit (IIRC) |
| 06:40.57 | sid | JAVA IS GOING TO BE OPEN SOURCED |
| 06:40.57 | onetinsoldier | ok... well then call me stupid :-P |
| 06:41.14 | sid | Also, as previously reported, Sun announced the Operating System Distributor's License for Java, which is designed to make it easier to bundle the desktop Java Runtime Environment with Linux. Developers of several Linux packages--including Ubuntu, Gentoo and Debian--are expected to include Java with their operating systems, Sun said. |
| 06:41.35 | simonrvn | sid: oh so they are going to. good for them, since it means they won't die off |
| 06:41.49 | stew | sid: nothing about source yet, afaik |
| 06:41.57 | Shadowcat | java is not to be open sourced, yet |
| 06:42.09 | Shadowcat | when Sun opens up the compiler details I'll believe it |
| 06:42.10 | simonrvn | what they mean by 'open source' though, we'll have to see |
| 06:42.11 | Shadowcat | not before |
| 06:42.16 | simonrvn | nods |
| 06:42.26 | sid | stew: It's not here yet...but they made a promise |
| 06:42.44 | simonrvn | promises are routinely broken... |
| 06:43.02 | Shadowcat | for example |
| 06:43.08 | Shadowcat | Microsoft hasn't released a single darn os on time |
| 06:43.14 | sid | And that is some mis-reporting by zdnet... "are expected to include java with their operating systems" the less restrictive java license will go into non-free and not be "included" in debian. |
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| 06:43.34 | sid | But in a few months... when it's open source(and hopefully free software) then it will be included into debian. |
| 06:43.45 | sid | hopefully before etch starts to freeze |
| 06:43.57 | sid | which will be in 6 monthsish |
| 06:43.57 | stew | doubtful |
| 06:44.04 | Shadowcat | doubtful |
| 06:44.06 | sid | We can hope |
| 06:44.07 | sid | and pray |
| 06:44.09 | simonrvn | non-free was never part of debian. it's there as a convenience |
| 06:44.10 | sid | to the church of emacs |
| 06:44.19 | Shadowcat | ok right now you're just getting lame |
| 06:44.30 | sid | lol, because I wans't lame from the beginning.. |
| 06:44.46 | simonrvn | "i can walk just fine dammit!" ;p |
| 06:44.57 | simonrvn | NOOOOOO |
| 06:45.09 | simonrvn | "stop the torture!!" |
| 06:45.29 | Shadowcat | dude I had four hours of sleep last night |
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| 06:45.38 | Shadowcat | so if I have to suffer everyone has to suffer :P |
| 06:45.52 | zu22 | sleep? what type of man are you! sleep is only for the weak minded |
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| 06:48.44 | ahewitt | simonrvn: I have read the man page for xargs, but I can't see a way to get it to spawn a backgrounded copy for each input?? |
| 06:49.09 | stew | ahewitt: you want a for loop for that |
| 06:49.41 | sid | ahewitt: What are you trying to do? |
| 06:49.46 | simonrvn | then use -exec. oh, s/he was using a for loop. i guess you need to work on it s'more |
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| 06:53.25 | aminorex | so, this amd64 cross-compile targetted kernel that i'm building.... will it run on a Xeon SMP with EM64T? |
| 06:54.30 | ahewitt | I am trying to do a find for everything under a day old on a 3TB array...the find works pretty fast, but the copy is slow....so I want to do a find and then do a copy for each result returnbed from find....but I want them to get backgrounded so that I can do them parallel |
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| 06:57.16 | lavalyn | hi - is this the correct place to report broken packages in amd64 sid? |
| 06:57.23 | oskie | aminorex: i guess it depends on what CPU arch/features you select when compiling the kernel |
| 06:57.33 | sid | lavalyn: no |
| 06:57.36 | sid | !tell lavalyn about bts |
| 06:57.55 | lavalyn | ah, thanks |
| 06:58.23 | aminorex | !tell aminorex about bts |
| 06:58.57 | cheal | !tell aminorex about selftell |
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| 07:00.06 | tarzeau | evaded: no |
| 07:00.43 | ahewitt | sid: any ideas? |
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| 07:02.27 | veleno | hello. for some reason, my unstable is wasting 9 Gb of harddisk space in the / partition. how can I see which are the biggest packages ? |
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| 07:04.19 | k-google | veleno: package sizes are reported by package. |
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| 07:04.44 | k-google | veleno: Alternatively: du -s * | sort -nr |
| 07:04.56 | k-google | veleno: ... will give you disk utilization by file/path in a given directory. |
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| 07:07.51 | mtp | heya. |
| 07:07.56 | mtp | I'm having horrible font tragedies. |
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| 07:08.40 | k-google | mtp: something is rotton in Helvetica? |
| 07:08.47 | mtp | k-google: that's one of 'em. |
| 07:09.34 | mtp | lots of apps are whinging about Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-Helvetica-Medium-R-Normal--*-140-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct |
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| 07:10.03 | k-google | mtp: When shall we three meet again? In Times, in Ariel, or in Courier? |
| 07:10.14 | k-google | mtp: Hrm. |
| 07:10.25 | mtp | and I don't really know how to install truetype fonts, offhand. I dropped them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype and did all manner of screwing aorund with defoma-user, defoma-reconfigure, and manually dicking with ttmkfdir, none of which really worked. |
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| 07:11.20 | mtp | k-google: I'd prefer meeting at Computer Modern, or possibly Garamond :P |
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| 07:11.53 | k-google | mtp: aptitude install msttcorefonts ttf-bitstream-verattf-freefont |
| 07:11.59 | k-google | mtp: ... should cover much of that. |
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| 07:12.38 | mtp | i have msttcorefonts already, not sure about bitstream |
| 07:12.41 | kremit | hello |
| 07:12.44 | kremit | if sound dies after a few secs of playing mp3, movie |
| 07:12.45 | mtp | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ttf-bitstream-verattf-freefont" |
| 07:12.51 | kremit | what should i look into? thanks |
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| 07:13.04 | k-google | mtp: What Debian release BTW? |
| 07:13.06 | edrin | "This leads to the assumption that..." <- is this good english? |
| 07:13.08 | mtp | k-google: unstable |
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| 07:13.25 | k-google | mtp: ... and this is your local Debian X server, not some remote X11 server? |
| 07:13.26 | dhuv | hello all |
| 07:13.37 | mtp | looks like ttf-bitstream-vera is the package name, but i've already got it installed |
| 07:13.46 | mtp | k-google: right, but I'm using xfstt. |
| 07:13.46 | dhuv | I am having problems reinstalling a package |
| 07:13.52 | k-google | mtp: OK, just covering some basic fonts... |
| 07:14.03 | k-google | mtp: I don't think you need/want xfstt anymore, sec. |
| 07:14.42 | simonrvn | mtp: uh, that's because you have 2 package names melded together |
| 07:15.03 | k-google | mtp: xfs should be your font server IIUC. |
| 07:15.21 | dhuv | I am using the dotdeb repository to install php5-imap module and during the installation it asks if I want to continue to install libc-client without maildir support and I clicked no, but unfortunately I should have clicked yes, if I apt-get remove libc-client2002edebian and do a reinstall, it does not ask me this anymore |
| 07:15.23 | mtp | simonrvn: ah |
| 07:15.43 | k-google | mtp: I'm finding a really old (1999) similar error message pertaining to emacs21. Is this all aps onl only some of 'em? |
| 07:15.47 | dhuv | i can do a dpkg-reconfigure and it asks, but I think it does not have the same effect |
| 07:15.57 | veleno | k-google, thanks, it seems like all the wast is confined into usr/share ... |
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| 07:17.09 | simonrvn | k-google: i love it. i have these lusers that keep asking for a non-existent page called 'BlogEnt', and they kept asking for it over and over. so what i did is i did a [R=301,L] to yahoo.com ;) |
| 07:17.12 | mtp | k-google: it's a lot of non-gtk apps, like gv, ddd.. and xfontsel acts weirdly, not displaying text and leaving residual crap |
| 07:17.20 | ena | sava |
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| 07:17.32 | mtp | k-google: k, removing xfstt :P |
| 07:17.51 | mtp | (and installing xfs) |
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| 07:18.24 | veleno | is it normal that my /var/cache is 1.2Gb ?? |
| 07:18.42 | simonrvn | uh, try apt-get clean |
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| 07:19.52 | Morden | hiya, how can I find out what ISP an IP belongs to? |
| 07:19.59 | veleno | simonrvn, much better :-) |
| 07:20.23 | mtp | Morden: whois -h whois.geektools.com ip.ad.re.ss |
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| 07:20.58 | shogunx | mtp xfstt is useful when supporting older x-terminal hardware that requires the ttfonts to display properly. |
| 07:21.04 | mtp | shogunx: ah |
| 07:21.32 | Morden | mtp: Thx :) |
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| 07:22.14 | mtp | Wow. |
| 07:22.18 | mtp | That made things *work* |
| 07:22.22 | mtp | at least, helvetica. |
| 07:22.36 | veleno | is there a fast way to remove all doc packages ? |
| 07:23.14 | shogunx | mtp like the local embedded xserver in the terminal only supports ttfonts. |
| 07:23.43 | shogunx | mtp hds viewstation for example. |
| 07:23.45 | mtp | Haha, X either crashed or the purge for xfstt restarted it. |
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| 07:23.49 | ena | français |
| 07:24.00 | k-google | simonrvn: Heh. |
| 07:24.12 | k-google | simonrvn: Why not send them to Debian.org? |
| 07:24.18 | k-google | simonrvn: ... or Ubunut. |
| 07:24.26 | Azar | !fr |
| 07:24.26 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:24.30 | Mammut | hello! I have a problem: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom is the right command (I think) but i allways get an error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda |
| 07:24.35 | simonrvn | eh, i like debian.org. but yeh, good idea |
| 07:25.08 | Morden | !de |
| 07:25.09 | dpkg | somebody said de was Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 07:26.48 | mtp | bletch. |
| 07:26.57 | mtp | back in X |
| 07:28.39 | mtp | Helvetica works, now my truetype fonts don't :P |
| 07:28.40 | k-google | veleno: If you're not flushing out your apt package repo, yes. 'aptitude autoclean' should help a lot. |
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| 07:29.05 | k-google | mtp: You might try undoing the stuff you did before, dropping 'em in random places. |
| 07:29.15 | k-google | mtp: Sorry, but X fonts is still black arts to me. |
| 07:29.19 | mtp | k-google: me too |
| 07:29.20 | mtp | :P |
| 07:29.38 | dhuv | \part |
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| 07:29.48 | veleno | k-google, i was not aware of the need to autoclean the apt repo. thx |
| 07:29.48 | simonrvn | k-google: try it - my site, Blog/BlogEnt ;) |
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| 07:30.04 | mtp | I fancy myself a fairly competent admin, and X and fonts are just something I've never had much to deal with, so I'm not really good with 'em. |
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| 07:30.31 | k-google | veleno: BTW, really lousy connection here, I'll come and go a lot. |
| 07:30.32 | mtp | k-google: well, GTK apps can pick up the TT fonts |
| 07:30.36 | mtp | just not xfontsel |
| 07:30.44 | k-google | veleno: ... this is an ssh session to a good box, I'm also karsten |
| 07:30.51 | karsten | k-google: No you're not |
| 07:30.57 | mtp | o.o |
| 07:31.01 | vladoportos | hi, what i have to change in sshd_config to delay login when wrong pass is tiped ? |
| 07:31.06 | k-google | veleno: ... who's dropping as the local link goes bad. |
| 07:31.15 | k-google | vladoportos: I think that might be part of pam. |
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| 07:31.33 | vladoportos | hmm i have there UsePAm yes |
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| 07:31.47 | vladoportos | but what to set for that delay ? |
| 07:31.48 | veleno | weird...'dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server' reports that xorg-server is not installed, but i'm running it... |
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| 07:32.19 | borco | hi |
| 07:32.31 | k-google | veleno: It's now xserver-xorg |
| 07:32.37 | k-google | veleno: ... or xserver-common. |
| 07:33.25 | borco | what's the story with the new java license? the press release says more info can be found on debian.org site, among others, but there is no news there. any ideas? |
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| 07:34.51 | veleno | so..now that i reconfigure it...when I scroll down, the display scroll the opposite direction. if I scroll up..nothing happen... |
| 07:34.56 | k-google | vladoportos: Per /etc/pam.d/login, timeouts are in /etc/security/time.conf |
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| 07:35.37 | mtp | blorf, linux is schizophrenic about lots of things still. |
| 07:36.58 | k-google | veleno: apt just keeps stashing new package files until doomsday. Most folks run an autoclean via a cronjob daily or so. |
| 07:37.36 | mtp | k-google: i've had those /var/cache things save my ass a few times. |
| 07:37.39 | k-google | vladoportos: Hrm. No, I think that's a time-of-day limitation. |
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| 07:37.53 | k-google | mtp: Yeah, once in a while. Not for a few years here. |
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| 07:38.06 | k-google | mtp: I'd rather run an apt-proxy with reserves cept. |
| 07:38.10 | k-google | mtp: kept. |
| 07:38.13 | vladoportos | k-goole: thanks i gonan check it now |
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| 07:40.02 | mtp | k-google: Eh, I am one laptop, apt-proxy isn't very useful to me. |
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| 07:40.39 | k-google | mtp: Well that's a problem with an easy solution. |
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| 07:40.44 | k-google | mtp: Buy more hardware ;-) |
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| 07:42.14 | mtp | k-google: I have lots of crappy old mac stuff, :P |
| 07:42.29 | k-google | mtp: That's redundant ;-) |
| 07:42.35 | k-google | mtp: How crappy and old? |
| 07:43.06 | mtp | k-google: they also don't have hard drives, because the school requires all sensitive data be destroeyed, and the only way they'll do that is by taking the hard drives to demolition :( |
| 07:43.27 | mtp | k-google: ranging from SE and Classic era to an older lowend beige g3 |
| 07:43.31 | k-google | mtp: thin clients! |
| 07:43.34 | k-google | Holy shit. |
| 07:43.45 | simonrvn | i just a tower beige g3 tonight |
| 07:43.47 | k-google | That's crappier and older than the stuff I had a couple jobs back. |
| 07:43.53 | mtp | yeah, dickless workstations to my 2 ghz p3 laptop. that's useful :P |
| 07:43.59 | mtp | i also have a NeXTstation for show. |
| 07:44.20 | k-google | Mostly a bunch of iMacs, a few older PPC (old-style) ones, beige boxes. |
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| 07:44.28 | k-google | Not sure the naming on them. |
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| 07:44.48 | k-google | mtp: NeXTstation, sweet. |
| 07:45.03 | chump | hey guys is there any one that can help me with a problem i'm having right now? |
| 07:45.04 | k-google | The OSX of course does Aqua. |
| 07:45.08 | k-google | chump: Nope. |
| 07:45.14 | k-google | chump: Just ask. |
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| 07:45.20 | mtp | I would be all over OS X if they kept the OS 8 style interface |
| 07:45.39 | mtp | Like Mac OS X Server used to |
| 07:45.42 | David3 | chump: just ask, we'll see what we can do |
| 07:45.43 | mtp | back in the 1.0 days |
| 07:46.06 | k-google | mtp: I've been using it for about 6 weeks now. It's pretty but maddeningly limited. |
| 07:46.18 | mtp | chump: sorry, we are not allowed to help with problems in #debian. |
| 07:46.21 | k-google | mtp: Mind, it's not gratuitously annoying like 'Doze. |
| 07:46.25 | mtp | eh |
| 07:46.31 | mtp | it's gratiuitously eyecandy like OS X |
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| 07:46.56 | chump | wait mtp serioulys because debian.org directed me here |
| 07:47.13 | mtp | chump: yes i'm serious, and i've got a bridge to sell you in manhattan. |
| 07:47.22 | vladoportos | :)) |
| 07:47.23 | mtp | very cheap. |
| 07:47.24 | k-google | !tell chump about ask |
| 07:48.01 | mtp | k-google: anyway I am a fetishist for ancient hardware and weird OSes |
| 07:48.02 | k-google | vladoportos: And damn you! |
| 07:48.13 | vladoportos | :D |
| 07:48.18 | k-google | vladoportos: ... I'm trying to figure out where (if it is pam) pam sets those limits. |
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| 07:48.33 | vladoportos | yap, im looking for that too |
| 07:48.45 | simonrvn | afaik, no. you need the ulimit shite |
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| 07:48.58 | k-google | simonrvn: For bad-password login timeout? |
| 07:49.04 | simonrvn | oh. never mind |
| 07:49.20 | chump | i'm having a problem when i try and do apt-get install apache2 it comes up with that some of the packages could not be installed. |
| 07:49.21 | mtp | ive got Copland DR0 and DR1, and BeOS DR2, R3, R4.5 and R5, and yellowtab Zeta for my laptop. I was gonna get an AS400 through bizzare channels, but that fell through when it was too big to load into the vehicle that went up to get it. |
| 07:49.32 | chump | i'm running sarge |
| 07:49.33 | k-google | !tell chump about paster |
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| 07:49.51 | k-google | chump: Run the command, save it and the output, paste it to the URL the bot just gave you. |
| 07:49.56 | simonrvn | mtp: holy |
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| 07:50.05 | mtp | simonrvn: :D |
| 07:50.09 | echnaton | hi need to create a boolable disk for bios update: I have to decompress a zip file into that bootable disk. is there a way in linux?! should i use mkisofs? |
| 07:50.18 | k-google | mtp: Have you looked into 12-step programs? |
| 07:50.18 | chump | thanks google |
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| 07:50.27 | k-google | echnaton: aptitude install unzip |
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| 07:50.34 | simonrvn | unzip works |
| 07:50.39 | echnaton | yes i Know. thats not the problem k-google |
| 07:50.42 | k-google | echnaton: Odds are you either copy the files to floppy or image it. |
| 07:50.42 | simonrvn | dd |
| 07:50.43 | mtp | I've *installed* copland DR1, and oh god, is it crashy... almost nothing works |
| 07:50.46 | echnaton | i have to burn an image |
| 07:50.58 | k-google | echnaton: dd if=<some file> of=/dev/fd0 |
| 07:51.00 | mtp | echnaton: unzip the image, dd if=whatever.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 |
| 07:51.11 | echnaton | no floppy availble |
| 07:51.14 | k-google | echnaton: Hoepfully it's roughly 1440 blocks at 1k blocksize |
| 07:51.17 | simonrvn | mtp: wasn't that the alpha/beta s/w for mac os 8? |
| 07:51.23 | k-google | echnaton: That's not a problem we can solve. |
| 07:51.27 | mtp | simonrvn: oh, god. Yes it is. |
| 07:51.30 | chump | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2559 |
| 07:51.32 | mtp | k-google: actually it kind of is. |
| 07:51.37 | simonrvn | thought so =) |
| 07:51.47 | simonrvn | i'm an old mac head ... |
| 07:51.53 | mtp | echnaton: k3b can make a bootable image onto CD of that floppy image.. |
| 07:52.02 | chump | i think what i acidently did was do a dist upgrade on my firewall while meaning to do it on my computer |
| 07:52.03 | mtp | if you futz around with mkisofs, i'm sure it can too |
| 07:52.09 | mtp | but k3b is pointyydrool |
| 07:52.12 | mtp | -y |
| 07:52.27 | mtp | simonrvn: i'm just a nutjob. :) |
| 07:52.29 | simonrvn | chump: this is why you have your shell prompt show you the host name ;) |
| 07:52.32 | k-google | chump: Try: apt-get update, then repeat your install. |
| 07:52.42 | chump | same results |
| 07:52.47 | simonrvn | mtp: aren't we all *grin* |
| 07:52.48 | chump | i did that the first time |
| 07:52.53 | echnaton | http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/floppy_image_on_cd.htm |
| 07:53.14 | mtp | echnaton: i'd just use k3b |
| 07:53.18 | k-google | chump: OK. |
| 07:53.27 | echnaton | okay mtp |
| 07:53.27 | mtp | new data cd, tools -> edit boot images |
| 07:53.33 | mtp | err, project -> edit boot images |
| 07:53.39 | mtp | click new, find the file |
| 07:53.49 | chump | didn't mean for that to come out snotty if it did |
| 07:54.02 | k-google | chump: Not at all. |
| 07:54.19 | mtp | echnaton: and just hit okay.. the defaults are fine. |
| 07:54.22 | k-google | chump: What release? And does the firewall need apache on it? |
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| 07:54.37 | mtp | burn, make sure your bios is set to boot to cd, and have fun. |
| 07:54.43 | mtp | where 'have fun' is reboot. |
| 07:54.55 | echnaton | :) |
| 07:55.11 | mtp | mental note: tea has caffiene in it. caffiene, when you haven't had any for a month or so, is very oh god my brain hurts. |
| 07:55.18 | chump | well its actually not a firewall |
| 07:55.18 | k-google | mtp: I suppose making a bootable USB stick would be another option. |
| 07:55.19 | echnaton | if that works i will also try the mkisofs old-way ;) |
| 07:55.25 | chump | its a samba machine i never relabled |
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| 07:55.49 | k-google | chump: Queue lecture on non-semantic hostnames. |
| 07:55.50 | mtp | k-google: i've never done that; i prefer to stick to one cdrw that i reuse for all my floppy boot asshattery. |
| 07:55.52 | chump | it should be sarge, but i might have done a dist upgrade |
| 07:55.58 | chump | haha |
| 07:56.22 | k-google | chump: Check what /etc/apt/sources.list says. Should point to 'stable' archives for sarge. |
| 07:56.24 | echnaton | I hope after that bios update the acpi events will work correctly |
| 07:56.36 | k-google | chump: 'unstable' or 'testing' would mean you've crossed the Rubicon. |
| 07:56.42 | simonrvn | actually it's teanine (sp?) |
| 07:56.51 | k-google | simonrvn: ?? |
| 07:57.20 | simonrvn | the nearly identical alkaloid in tea that resembles caffeine |
| 07:57.24 | kremit | is sarge r1 using oss or alsa? |
| 07:57.29 | mtp | also, since i'm here, apt-get install mozilla-firefox-adblock fails with /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-adblock.postinst: line 8: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found |
| 07:57.32 | chump | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2560 |
| 07:57.39 | simonrvn | er, bad sentence structure, but you get the idea |
| 07:57.42 | k-google | kremit: alsa seems to be the usual recommendation. |
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| 07:58.03 | kremit | k-google, if sound dies after a few secs of playing mp3, movie, what should i look into? |
| 07:58.05 | simonrvn | mtp: it's old, needs an update |
| 07:58.13 | simonrvn | mtp: file a bug on it |
| 07:58.20 | k-google | kremit: Visual entertainment? |
| 07:58.21 | chump | how would i fix it? |
| 07:58.25 | mtp | alsa, letting my shitty i810 with it's whole one-channel of sound, play more than one sound at once. |
| 07:58.34 | k-google | chump: Sec. |
| 07:58.37 | simonrvn | !dmix |
| 07:58.38 | dpkg | i heard dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 07:58.39 | chump | k |
| 07:58.45 | kremit | k-google, no i mean, how do i fix it? |
| 07:58.46 | mtp | simonrvn: indeed. |
| 07:58.47 | kremit | thanks |
| 07:58.54 | echnaton | mtp the problem is that there are three files: *.bat *.rom and *.exe. so i need to create an image |
| 07:58.55 | mtp | it just started working in unstable at one point |
| 07:59.13 | simonrvn | though recent alsa has it enabled already (that means sid users, and maybe etch) |
| 07:59.34 | mtp | echnaton: Oh, oh oh. Go get a random dos boot .img that does CDROM stuff, like a win98 boot disk, and use that as the image, and put the rest of the files on the CDROM. |
| 07:59.46 | simonrvn | freedos does it too |
| 07:59.56 | k-google | kremit: NFC, not my strength, sorry. |
| 08:00.00 | echnaton | ?!?! |
| 08:00.09 | k-google | kremit: Generally, system / kernel logs, dmesg output. |
| 08:00.09 | kremit | k-google, thanks anyway m,an |
| 08:00.14 | simonrvn | boot to freedos, do bios update |
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| 08:00.19 | kremit | ok |
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| 08:01.10 | roob | Can someone help me with this? I want to install Trac with aptitude, but aptitude also wants to install Apache, which I don't want (cause I use lighttpd). Any ideas? |
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| 08:02.39 | David3 | roob: IIRC, either man dpkg or man apt-get (or both) has some instructions about how to force an installation attempt with unfulfilled dependencies |
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| 08:03.04 | roob | David3: ok thanks, I'll check those |
| 08:03.05 | k-google | chump: Try this as your sources.list. Run apt-get update. If you haven't actually done an update to unstable, it should work. Since your sources are mostly cdrom, I think you'll be ok.http://channels.debian.net/paste/2561 |
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| 08:03.28 | k-google | Rest of you check that and make sure I'm not talking smack. |
| 08:03.40 | echnaton | is there a powermanagment debian howto for laptops?! |
| 08:03.42 | chump | yeah i haven't actually updated to unstable |
| 08:03.47 | chump | because my internet SUCKS |
| 08:03.51 | David3 | roob: thing is ... Trac might be dependent upon something specific that apache offers. Though I certainly couldn't say why or why not |
| 08:03.55 | k-google | roob: Trac is 3rd-party deb? |
| 08:04.02 | k-google | roob: .. or Debian-supplied? |
| 08:04.08 | k-google | chump: OK. |
| 08:04.24 | chump | thanks k-google |
| 08:04.31 | chump | crosses fingers |
| 08:04.41 | roob | k-google: it's debian supplied, but I'm trying to add edgewalls deb repository to my sources.list right now |
| 08:04.49 | k-google | roob: Hrm. Debian package. I'd file a bug on it if it can actually run with another webserver. |
| 08:05.07 | mtp | simonrvn: I think I already know you. This could be because I have fortune in my .zshrc and it tends to favor the debian quotes |
| 08:05.12 | k-google | roob: ... but I think it may need apache, there's some pretty funky cgi / mod-fu going on in there. |
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| 08:05.40 | roob | k-google: Yeah? Ok I might do that. No I know people have been able to get it run with lighttpd |
| 08:05.42 | mtp | simonrvn: also, someone already got the adblock bug, doh me. |
| 08:06.01 | k-google | roob: There's "I got it to work" and "we vouch for it running this way". |
| 08:06.18 | lewis | I want to restrict a user (using public keys) to use WinSCP only. I was thinking of using the command option in authorized_keys, then changing .ssh directory and .bashrc to read-only. Would this work, and is it the most effective way? What about http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2005/09/msg00014.html ? |
| 08:06.30 | k-google | roob: ... and if this is for, say, a corporate project, you might want to look into Confluence / Jira, which a number of places I've seen lately are using. |
| 08:06.32 | simonrvn | mtp: heh. ohnoz! (debian-quotes) |
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| 08:06.35 | David3 | echnaton: I don't know, but I doubt it. Have you already checked out the distro-generic laptop / acpi / apm howtos? |
| 08:06.35 | mtp | lewis: the best way is to install rssh-only |
| 08:06.36 | k-google | roob: Trac's got its limitations. |
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| 08:06.43 | suppaman | hello |
| 08:06.47 | Ugly_Duck | any one know a good howto for doing QOS on debian? |
| 08:06.48 | k-google | lewis: There's a canned solution for that. |
| 08:07.12 | suppaman | does canned mean it is in a can ? |
| 08:07.12 | k-google | lewis: apt-cache show rssh |
| 08:07.14 | roob | k-google: ok, thanks, no it's just a small project, but I'll take a look at the ones you mentioned anyway |
| 08:07.18 | Ugly_Duck | hehehe... should have asked dpkg first |
| 08:07.20 | k-google | roob: NP. |
| 08:07.38 | k-google | Feh. There's a zssh. |
| 08:07.40 | mtp | also, pdiff scared the crap out of me when I first saw it. |
| 08:07.46 | David3 | echnaton: if your laptop is newer, you'll probably want acpi. My computer is from 1999, so I use apm |
| 08:07.47 | k-google | Let me guess... |
| 08:07.49 | k-google | zssh... |
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| 08:08.02 | k-google | ... it securely and remotely corrects your typos for you, via esp. |
| 08:08.04 | lewis | well, technically, I want to allow them to use only rsync and winscp, though I already have a rsync 'command validation' script |
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| 08:08.15 | lewis | would rssh-only work with rsync too? |
| 08:08.17 | k-google | lewis: Take a look at that package first. |
| 08:08.24 | k-google | lewis: RTFM ;-) |
| 08:08.30 | chump | K-google thanks mate you fixed it |
| 08:08.32 | simonrvn | mtp: i expected it; been waiting for it. i still have to re-setup my fricking repo .... now i have to set it up for pdiff. yikes |
| 08:08.38 | k-google | chump: Coolio ;-) |
| 08:08.52 | mtp | lewis: rssh has 'allowrsync' and 'allowsftp' options :P |
| 08:09.17 | lewis | just saw that - looks like what I want - thank you |
| 08:09.33 | lewis | there is even a debian package too :) anything I ought to be careful of? |
| 08:10.23 | chump | Hey whats the package name for PHP? |
| 08:10.31 | mtp | lewis: allowing people remote access to your server in any way shape or form may or may not allow them to break your security? |
| 08:10.43 | vladoportos | apt-cache search php ? |
| 08:10.44 | simonrvn | @tell chump about search |
| 08:11.29 | chump | thanks |
| 08:11.47 | roob | One more question regarding Trac install: I added edgewalls deb repo to the top of my apt sources list (outlined here: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracOnDebianSarge) but "aptitude show trac" still shows me the old (debian) version. I did do "aptitude update" |
| 08:12.34 | David3 | roob: there's an issue of priorities -- when there's more than one version installed, which one to prefer? |
| 08:12.37 | simonrvn | hmm, that 'search' factoid has a Useless Use Of 'cat' |
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| 08:12.54 | roob | David3: the edgewalls version. How do I make that one a priority? |
| 08:12.54 | David3 | roob: I usually use synaptic, and there's a little version window where I can specify a version |
| 08:13.09 | David3 | roob: using apt-get, there's an option to force a particular version |
| 08:13.21 | roob | David3: oh ok, thanks, I'll try that |
| 08:13.22 | k-google | simonrvn: It does? |
| 08:13.25 | David3 | roob: but I don't know the aptitude way ! |
| 08:13.28 | simonrvn | check it |
| 08:13.37 | k-google | simonrvn: ... or did you fix it? |
| 08:13.41 | k-google | !search |
| 08:13.41 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 08:13.42 | roob | David3: ok, I'll man aptitude some more :) |
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| 08:13.58 | simonrvn | they could've done grep Package /var/lib/dpkg/available | grep foo |
| 08:14.14 | simonrvn | the one in RB |
| 08:14.21 | k-google | ? |
| 08:14.25 | simonrvn | ravenbird |
| 08:14.32 | k-google | Oh. |
| 08:14.39 | k-google | simonrvn: That's *your* bot. |
| 08:14.51 | k-google | !uuoc ravenbird |
| 08:15.31 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 08:15.35 | lastnode__ | where can i get urls for the contrib and non-free archives? |
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| 08:16.06 | mtp | egrep 'Package.*foo' /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 08:16.07 | mtp | =P |
| 08:16.10 | simonrvn | just add them after 'main' |
| 08:16.19 | simonrvn | mtp: even better |
| 08:16.37 | David3 | roob: good luck :-) from man apt-get : A specific version of a package can be selected for installation byfollowing the package name with an equals and the version of the pack-age to select. This will cause that version to be located and selectedfor install. Alternatively a specific distribution can be selected byfollowing the package name with a slash and the version of the distri-bution or the Archive name (stable, te |
| 08:16.40 | atsi | does anyone know how to setup a vpn between linux,, windows and mac machines? all with dynamic ip(public) and static (gateway) |
| 08:16.41 | gpm | lastnode__: you want to use them or browse them? |
| 08:16.48 | mtp | but that requires a rudimentary knowledge of regular expressions. |
| 08:16.49 | mtp | c.c |
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| 08:17.09 | lastnode__ | gpm, m-a wants it to get ipw2200-source |
| 08:17.19 | k-google | atsi: apt-cache show openvpn |
| 08:17.30 | k-google | atsi: ... I think. |
| 08:17.37 | andreiutz | i'm trying to upgrade my debian OS (apt-get upgrade) , but i want to change the ftp where to get the sources . How do i do that ? |
| 08:17.41 | roob | David3: yeah, it's the same for aptitude, but the problem I'm having right now is that I don't know which version they have exactly on the edgewall server |
| 08:17.57 | gpm | lastnode: oh..just add contrib and non-free to your sources.list, apt-get update, and you should be good to go...using all sections of your repository |
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| 08:18.15 | atsi | k-google, ok that's for my sarge, what about mac and windows. what do i have to configure so they will cooperate |
| 08:18.16 | lastnode | gpm, cool, thanks |
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| 08:18.46 | mtp | atsi: both of those come with some kind of OpenVPN compatible utility |
| 08:18.55 | roob | David3: nevermind, apparently they have an old version on the edgewall server themselves, that was why I was confused |
| 08:19.01 | k-google | atsi: probably the same, or the Cisco vpn client |
| 08:19.02 | mtp | it's configuring oVPN to do anything other than sit there and make you hate it lots, that's difficult. |
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| 08:19.22 | ma3x | how can I activate my infrared port on my laptop? |
| 08:19.26 | atsi | mtp, lol |
| 08:19.33 | mtp | ma3x: activate how? |
| 08:19.55 | bobslaede | can somebody give me a hand with tuning my x.org so i can use my screen properly, instead of only running with 60hz |
| 08:20.01 | ma3x | mtp, to be flashing red |
| 08:20.14 | ma3x | mtp, like in windows, it's just working |
| 08:20.18 | atsi | k-google, the cisco vpn client? it is not open source, right? it will cost me an arm and a leg |
| 08:20.39 | k-google | atsi: simonrvn NFC. |
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| 08:20.48 | k-google | simonrvn: NM, tab-compplete + lag |
| 08:21.05 | atsi | k-google, sorry i did not get that |
| 08:21.09 | ma3x | can I mount my cell phone via my infrared port? |
| 08:21.17 | k-google | !nfc |
| 08:21.17 | dpkg | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 08:21.51 | mtp | depends on your cellphone, infrared controller, and level of clue, I suppose. |
| 08:21.57 | mtp | I've only synced palmpilot across it |
| 08:22.08 | ma3x | mtp, I dont have infrared controller |
| 08:22.22 | mtp | if you have an infrared port you have an infrared controller of some manner |
| 08:22.31 | andreiutz | i'm trying to upgrade my debian OS (apt-get upgrade) , but i want to change the ftp where to get the sources . How do i do that |
| 08:22.55 | k-google | andreiutz: man sources.list |
| 08:23.05 | andreiutz | k-google thanks |
| 08:23.31 | mtp | dpkg-reconfigure apt should give you the little tool it gives you during base configuration, IIRC. |
| 08:26.30 | Azar | andrei go to /etc/apt and edit the sources.file change every instance of stable with testing on all lines |
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| 08:27.14 | Azar | andreiutz save the changes in the file then aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 08:29.23 | ma3x | I've enabled my infrared port |
| 08:29.35 | andreiutz | Azar thanks |
| 08:29.37 | ma3x | now can I somehow mount my handy as partition? |
| 08:29.51 | ma3x | my cell phone |
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| 08:30.05 | ma3x | or I mean how do you transfer pictures on the cell phone? |
| 08:30.10 | ma3x | there is software for this in windows |
| 08:30.12 | ma3x | what about linux? |
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| 08:30.40 | atsi | ma3x, what is your phone? |
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| 08:31.55 | ma3x | atsi, samsung z100 |
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| 08:32.25 | atsi | ma3x, one sec plz |
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| 08:33.17 | vladoportos | how do i count lines in text file ? or any file |
| 08:33.30 | karsten | vladoportos: man wc |
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| 08:34.05 | vladoportos | no such file or dir... |
| 08:34.18 | karsten | vladoportos: ... then install it ;-) |
| 08:34.25 | vladoportos | oki ;) |
| 08:34.26 | karsten | vladoportos: ... or nl. |
| 08:34.27 | snail | http://lists.debian.org/ seems very slow. is there something wrong, or is it always slow? |
| 08:34.29 | simonrvn | it should be already |
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| 08:34.48 | vladoportos | heh i dont have nl also |
| 08:34.59 | simonrvn | wth |
| 08:35.02 | karsten | vladoportos: or: awk '{ i++}; END {print i}' < file |
| 08:35.14 | ma3x | atsi, still there? |
| 08:35.33 | atsi | ma3x, looking details on your phone to find out |
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| 08:36.10 | karsten | vladoportos: ... or just awk 'END{print NR}' < file |
| 08:36.58 | vladoportos | huh thats works, thanks karsten |
| 08:37.04 | karsten | vladoportos: ;-) |
| 08:37.43 | ma3x | atsi, there is nothing about linux related to my phone |
| 08:37.48 | lastnode | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.50 | karsten | There was a programming challenge with a group of friends some time ago to see who could shun "Mike" 50 times in the least code. |
| 08:37.55 | lastnode | when i just run that command it dies |
| 08:38.26 | chump | i'm trying to install mysql and getting http://channels.debian.net/paste/2563 |
| 08:38.26 | karsten | The (mostly my) winning entry: yes *shun*|sed 50d |
| 08:38.28 | atsi | ma3x, as i know there is no way around that. it has only infared and accessing it is difficult and dangerous. |
| 08:38.29 | karsten | Know your shell. |
| 08:38.34 | absence | how can i make my usb mouse always get the same device in /dev? it seems to randomly change places with a wacom tablet, and if i unplug and replug the mouse, it also gets a new device |
| 08:38.43 | echnaton | hi using klaptopdaemon. Why is it necessary to manually start the battery monitor that the panel icon displays the right battery percentage?! |
| 08:38.59 | echnaton | somebody using software suspend?! |
| 08:39.54 | karsten | echnaton: See if there isn't some "start at login" thing somewhere in KDE. |
| 08:40.04 | streuner | !d-i foo |
| 08:40.04 | dpkg | foo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 08:40.12 | echnaton | karsten, the icon is available at startup |
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| 08:40.24 | echnaton | but not the right value |
| 08:40.42 | karsten | echnaton: Sorry, not familiar w/ it. |
| 08:40.43 | ma3x | can I mount my cell phone via infrared and upload/download pictures? |
| 08:40.54 | karsten | !tell ma3x about repeat |
| 08:40.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: what cell phone is it? |
| 08:41.15 | karsten | ma3x: Might want to send that to a mailing list or Usenet group |
| 08:41.34 | karsten | !wednesday |
| 08:41.35 | dpkg | well, wednesday is see thursday |
| 08:41.36 | ma3x | tarzeau, samsung z100 |
| 08:41.36 | itchi | Bibletime is not in testing it's looks :-( |
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| 08:41.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: which ir adapter do you have? |
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| 08:42.05 | ma3x | tarzeau, its integrated in my laptop, dunno |
| 08:42.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: ah i see |
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| 08:43.14 | itchi | bwa, no matters there are 'bible' and so i continue to develop my english. |
| 08:43.20 | ma3x | tarzeau, ALi fast infrared |
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| 08:44.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: dunno i got a nokia, and i use windows xp |
| 08:44.02 | itchi | But... why is 'bibletime' not in Etch? |
| 08:44.15 | ma3x | tarzeau, so why there is no way to do that in linux? |
| 08:44.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've been told nokia with cable works fine, but didn't try, there's a patch for the 2.6 linux kernel |
| 08:44.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: maybe there is, i just don't have a samsung |
| 08:45.11 | lastnode | anyone uses ipw2200 here? |
| 08:45.14 | litage | mdadm just sent me an email saying "A DegradedArray event had been detected on md device /dev/md2". how can i determine what has happened? |
| 08:45.43 | sadrul | startx doesn't seem to be working. it spends some time on xauth ("creating new authority file ..."), and then xinit spews out "Server error". any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 08:46.09 | litage | sadrul: check X's log |
| 08:47.13 | David3 | itchi: perhaps there is a dependency conflict at the moment -- although that seems unlikely -- or perhaps the maintainers have had a problem |
| 08:47.41 | sadrul | litage: /var/log/Xorg.0.log? it doesn't seem to get touched when I run startx |
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| 08:47.57 | itchi | David3: Aaai; hope it come OK for him :-/ |
| 08:48.43 | Azar | this sounds cool, so no more download, burn and install? instalinux |
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| 08:48.57 | itchi | David3: Thanks for you're info ;-) |
| 08:49.22 | David3 | itchi: you're welcome, though I certainly haven't told you anything that I by any means "know" |
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| 08:50.12 | David3 | itchi: I used to run unstable... and now I'm on stable... and I've sometimes mixed packages from different distros |
| 08:50.16 | lastnode | what package does dhclient come with? |
| 08:50.34 | David3 | !search |
| 08:50.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 08:51.53 | Azar | ughh the testing-security archive has been moved to security.debian.org. - do I need again some sort of key? |
| 08:52.00 | surlaw | hey =) anyone can help me with setting up a newer version of gcc on debian ? i installed 4.1.0, but i still get the error "gcc 3.4 or newer should be used for compiling this module" :/ |
| 08:52.31 | itchi | David3: Most computers here are Stable; i run only testing on my laptop and in virtual computers. The time i know more about it. Im not of the level to use Sid. I need to learn more about it. But i think i some time i swith the workstations. I not know, like there are some that are not happy when we run Etch |
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| 08:52.45 | surlaw | also when i type gcc -v i get 4.1.0 but cc -v return the old 3.3 somth from debian base |
| 08:52.49 | Azar | surlaw: I guess a new gcc version cannot just be "downloaded and installed" out of the blue: it usually comes with a major upgrade |
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| 08:53.24 | surlaw | Azar: whenn how do i get pass this error without up^grading it then ? =) |
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| 08:54.00 | Azar | surlaw: I do not know how to undo what you did but this for you to remember, Debian has a "law" like your nick. Obey it |
| 08:54.23 | RvGaTe | gooooooooood morning ! |
| 08:54.26 | Azar | surlaw: what Debian version are you using? |
| 08:54.31 | RvGaTe | another fine day at work that gets bored at 4 ! :) |
| 08:54.48 | surlaw | Azar: 31r2 |
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| 08:55.08 | Azar | Sarge, ok : you could uninstall the gcc4 I doubt it works on Sarge |
| 08:55.14 | Azar | or.... upgrade to Etch |
| 08:56.13 | Azar | the gcc4.1 is just "rumored" to be added to Etch (not Sarge) soon |
| 08:56.13 | itchi | Azar: He not complains about keys, so i guess not |
| 08:56.23 | David3 | itchi: I'm not quite sure what you're saying. I know the english is difficult... were you asking a question? |
| 08:56.43 | surlaw | Azar: hum what vsreion of gcc should i get then ? without redowloading a complete debian distrib ? |
| 08:57.18 | itchi | David3: There was no question ;-) |
| 08:57.24 | Azar | surlaw: stick with the version that already was installed with your Debian. If you want a gcc4.1 like I said, upgrade to etch |
| 08:57.35 | David3 | surlaw: I've been using sarge for a good year and a half now, and... when a program wants to compile with a newer gcc, I just give up. I don't bother. I don't need that program :-) |
| 08:57.38 | liable | java in debian eh. |
| 08:57.53 | surlaw | Azar: the problem is whenever i try to install someth i get the following error : "gcc 3.4 or newer should be used for compiling this module" |
| 08:58.14 | Azar | the release team would consider GCC 4.1 for the etch release if most of the release critical bugs that are currently open due to a stricter compiler were fixed << Etch , and not now, sometime in the near future |
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| 08:58.27 | stew | liable: i was just adding it to the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun :) |
| 08:58.44 | Azar | surlaw: well, remove gcc4.1 and reinstall gcc3.4 |
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| 08:58.50 | Gary | is the nvidia driver going to put back in etch non-free? |
| 08:59.11 | surlaw | david3 ok i see, the thing is the program im trying to run is ndiswrapper, the only way to enable my wifi under debian it seems, so i really need it :/ but that's another story i guess :/ |
| 08:59.12 | Azar | surlaw: packages for Sarge were compiled or compile with 3.4. Therefore 4.1 is useless for you |
| 08:59.40 | ankur | Hello friends while using "cdrecord -scanbus" i got error /dev/sg* cannot find file. |
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| 09:00.38 | liable | stew: :) |
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| 09:00.50 | Azar | Gary: I have one etch box with nvidia and it got ok... but is an upgrade from sarge and nvidia was already installed |
| 09:01.09 | Azar | stew, jumping on Java already? |
| 09:01.11 | Azar | :) |
| 09:01.35 | Azar | the news is only one hour fresh |
| 09:01.52 | echnaton | does hibernate in klaptopdaemon need the software-suspend support in the linux kernel?! |
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| 09:04.01 | Azar | wow they added 2 IRC channels for the debconf! |
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| 09:04.35 | onetinsoldier | hello all |
| 09:05.27 | liable | sweet, even aptitude is playing nice with it |
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| 09:05.54 | liable | echnaton: i would imagine so |
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| 09:06.41 | surlaw | Azar: that question is surely stupid, but im lost and the google or whatever aint helping at all, but what's the dif beetween cc and gcc, coz it seems it's my version of cc thats is too old, not gcc, is installing gcc 3.4 will update cc too ? |
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| 09:07.01 | lastnode | w00t, ipw2200 works. :) |
| 09:07.11 | echnaton | another q: On my machine it worked without that boot param resume=SWAPPARTITION. I cannot understand why?! is debian using an script for detecting any suspend images!? |
| 09:07.27 | sanxiyn | surlaw: cc *is* gcc? |
| 09:07.58 | stew | surlaw: what does "readlink -f $(which cc)" say? |
| 09:08.11 | sanxiyn | surlaw: There should be gcc-3.3/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.1 binaries, apart from gcc "default" binary. |
| 09:08.23 | sanxiyn | So CC=gcc-4.1 make, etc. |
| 09:08.27 | onetinsoldier | i installed debian with netinstall diskettes, which installed kernel-2.4.27. i updated to kernel-2.6.15 with apt-get an then used dpkg to --purge modutils... it wasn't needed anymore and there was no complaint from dpkg. the status from dpkg now show as 'pn'. however, when i use aptitude to install anything it shows that it's going to install modutils. this doesn't happen if i use apt-get. i am using etch. have i hit on a bug? |
| 09:08.42 | lord_rob | surlaw: cc is gcc |
| 09:09.04 | David3 | surlaw: I managed to get wireless working alright without upgrading sarge's compiler. I'm on it right now |
| 09:09.30 | Azar | surlaw: usually is not a good thing to tinker / change the compiler: I see it like the engine who takes care of all packages, drivers included. maybe I have the wrong image, but that is how I understand it |
| 09:09.41 | surlaw | stew: it says nothing, just >, do i need to type somth else after ? |
| 09:09.55 | stew | surlaw: 'apt-get install build-essential" |
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| 09:10.11 | surlaw | David3: could u explain it to me if u have some time ? ;) |
| 09:10.32 | Azar | surlaw: do what stew told you ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 09:10.38 | David3 | surlaw: I can tell you some of the things I learned... |
| 09:10.54 | David3 | surlaw: I definitely remember being confused about a large variety of things |
| 09:11.27 | echnaton | is it possible that some daemons like acpid arent able to run correctly when i resumed a software suspend?! |
| 09:11.33 | surlaw | stew: its done i installe that build-essential |
| 09:12.02 | surlaw | David3: i have a pci wifi card , and i read around the only way to make it work is to use ndiwrapper to use my windowd drivers |
| 09:12.13 | stew | surlaw: what does "readlink -f $(which cc)" say? |
| 09:12.17 | David3 | surlaw: ooh... I remember now... ndiswrapper is that -- yeah, what you just described. |
| 09:12.26 | surlaw | but cant build ndiswrapper coz of an old cc version |
| 09:12.39 | David3 | surlaw: I also read that about my own card, which is a laptop pcmcia card. But I ultimately got it working without ndiswrapper |
| 09:13.12 | surlaw | stew: usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 09:13.19 | litage | where can i find the package "ide-smart"? it doesn't seem to be a standard debian package. i've found ide-smart v1.4-1 on google, but it's from 2002 |
| 09:13.21 | stew | surlaw: now try building it again |
| 09:13.38 | mtp | litage: smartmontools |
| 09:13.40 | surlaw | David3: yes it seems ndiswrapper isnt needed for pcmcia cards , but for pci card it is, its what i read round the net |
| 09:13.41 | Azar | echnaton: (joking) that why I dream to have Doom to administer my processes |
| 09:14.23 | Azar | tarzeau whomever finishes that package will be my hero forever |
| 09:14.26 | David3 | surlaw: there were maybe three different potential drivers for my chipset, and one of them needed ndiswrapper. |
| 09:14.35 | onetinsoldier | stew: jesus man. is there anything you don't know about using linux? hehe. |
| 09:14.45 | stew | surlaw: no, ndiswrapper is needed when there isn't a linux driver available so you need to use a windows driver |
| 09:15.00 | surlaw | stew: when i try building ndiswrapper it's still the same error, i need gcc 3.4 or newer |
| 09:15.05 | David3 | surlaw: it's not at all an issue of pci vs pcmcia |
| 09:15.05 | simonrvn | when you've been at it for a while, you pick up things |
| 09:15.17 | tarzeau | Azar: which pkg? |
| 09:15.19 | surlaw | ok i see |
| 09:15.56 | David3 | surlaw: the most important thing is to figure out the chipset in your card. it might be a prism chipset, or an rtl, or something else |
| 09:16.02 | stew | surlaw: what version of debian are you running? what version of ndiswrapper are you trying to compile? |
| 09:16.15 | Azar | tarzeau: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/ |
| 09:16.31 | surlaw | stew: debian-31r2 and ndiswrapper-1.16 |
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| 09:16.44 | surlaw | David3.i think i get these infos, what to do next to make it work ? =) |
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| 09:16.50 | liable | echnaton: are you talking about sleep or suspend? |
| 09:16.52 | stew | !info ndiswrapper-source stable |
| 09:16.52 | litage | mtp: smartmontools only provides smartctl and smartd. it doesn't provide ide-smart |
| 09:16.53 | tarzeau | Azar: that's old. data is non-free |
| 09:16.58 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 09:17.21 | David3 | surlaw: Well what I did ... I eventually figured out that my card has an RTL-8180 chipset (I think that's it) |
| 09:17.27 | liable | echnaton: sleep doesnt need a swap partition |
| 09:17.31 | maxweber | sorry, whats the correct BTS package for the debian installer (partitioner)? |
| 09:17.33 | mtp | litage: why do you need ide-smart? Doesn't smartmontools take care of everything for you |
| 09:17.52 | echnaton | software-suspend liable |
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| 09:17.54 | Azar | tarzeau: pssshhtt, I seen Doom for linux already going around, and yes IdSoftware offers open version of his code |
| 09:17.55 | liable | mtp: partman, but i dunno if its a package |
| 09:17.56 | litage | mtp: smartctl is failing on my sata drive: http://rafb.net/paste/results/grvk8495.html |
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| 09:18.04 | stew | surlaw: you likely need to use ndiswrapper from stable instead of using it from testing |
| 09:18.07 | liable | echnaton: yes, you mean to disk or ram? |
| 09:18.14 | tarzeau | Azar: but without data it's useless |
| 09:18.23 | David3 | surlaw: and I googled around for info on using that particular chipset. Can you say what your chipset is? I'd say that if you can't type it in the chat window here, then you still have some looking to do :-) |
| 09:18.24 | Azar | tarzeau: the real hard to fix issue is: fights among processes. They can't be stopped from killing each other |
| 09:18.25 | surlaw | stew: u mean an older version ? i took a beta version ? |
| 09:18.26 | echnaton | disk, so i can fully power down the system |
| 09:18.29 | liable | maxweber: ^^ |
| 09:18.32 | tarzeau | Azar: that's like all the bomberman versions for linux sucks (because gameplay sucks, graphics sucks even more and sound sucks too) |
| 09:18.46 | liable | echnaton: you say it works without a partition given? |
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| 09:19.11 | surlaw | David3: yup i know what it is, 2sec, but ill try google it too =) |
| 09:19.18 | onetinsoldier | how can i make the status of a package show a 'un' rather then 'pn' in dpkg -l <package> ...? |
| 09:19.34 | tarzeau | onetinsoldier: remove config files --purge (-P) |
| 09:19.39 | echnaton | the kernel needed a partition. so I set it. But I read that a parameter for grub is needed to say the kernel that it should resume to that given image: resume=/dev/SWAPPARTITION liable |
| 09:19.48 | echnaton | in menuconfig |
| 09:19.51 | Azar | tarzeau: if games for the old 1980's dos that were running on a small cpu with only 16MB of ram on a 286.. were (most of them) so cool, why not in linux? |
| 09:19.55 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: i did that |
| 09:20.05 | setcode | hello |
| 09:20.05 | maxweber | liable: ? |
| 09:20.23 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: let me repeat a message i just did a bit ago... |
| 09:20.29 | onetinsoldier | i installed debian with netinstall diskettes, which installed kernel-2.4.27. i updated to kernel-2.6.15 with apt-get an then used dpkg to --purge modutils... it wasn't needed anymore and there was no complaint from dpkg. the status from dpkg now show as 'pn'. however, when i use aptitude to install anything it shows that it's going to install modutils. this doesn't happen if i use apt-get. i am using etch. have i hit on a bug? |
| 09:20.33 | tarzeau | onetinsoldier: what command did you do exactly? |
| 09:20.33 | liable | echnaton: the newer kernels have that option, so i dont think you need to supply a partition, though i havent tried it |
| 09:20.47 | liable | maxweber: partman, but i dunno if its a package |
| 09:20.53 | tarzeau | Azar: because linux sucks and the people who write games on linux suck even more |
| 09:20.55 | echnaton | okay |
| 09:21.00 | maxweber | liable: thx vm |
| 09:21.01 | tarzeau | Azar: they are not graphics people like it was on amiga |
| 09:21.14 | tarzeau | Azar: they don't have style. like demoscene used to have to |
| 09:21.16 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: dpkg --purge modutils |
| 09:21.17 | Azar | uh yet, I got a small bunch of cool games on Sarge |
| 09:21.18 | liable | echnaton: do you have the source? |
| 09:21.22 | tarzeau | Azar: which? |
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| 09:21.35 | Azar | tarzeau: ok here it goes |
| 09:21.41 | surlaw | David3: its Broadcom BCM4603 |
| 09:21.53 | litage | on the cli, how can you determine if a HD is sata or pata? |
| 09:21.54 | surlaw | hum 4306 |
| 09:21.58 | echnaton | kernel source?! |
| 09:22.28 | echnaton | Iam just using the vanilla kernel 2.6.16.16 and kde 3.5 kdelaptopdaemon |
| 09:23.12 | surlaw | David3 : but like stew said maybe i can use an older nddiwrapper =) because google the chipset dont show anything usefull :/ |
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| 09:23.33 | David3 | surlaw: wow, google doesn't show many results, eh? definitely not a good feeling! |
| 09:24.01 | Azar | Amphetamine, Epiphany, Gem Drop X, Holotz Castle, lbreakout2, Penguin Command, Supertux, Tecnoballz, Trackballs, XScavenger, Xgammon, Enigma, Pathological, Frozen Bubble |
| 09:24.02 | liable | litage: lspci doesnt say whether its sata controller? |
| 09:24.14 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: hello? |
| 09:24.21 | Azar | .. and maybe more if I dig better |
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| 09:24.47 | tarzeau | onetinsoldier: yes |
| 09:24.51 | surlaw | David3: ahah my bad i typed the 4603 instead of the 4306 :p |
| 09:24.54 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: dpkg --purge modutils |
| 09:24.55 | liable | tarzeau: do you have neverball in sid? |
| 09:24.58 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: let me repeat a message i just did a bit ago... |
| 09:25.03 | onetinsoldier | i installed debian with netinstall diskettes, which installed kernel-2.4.27. i updated to kernel-2.6.15 with apt-get an then used dpkg to --purge modutils... it wasn't needed anymore and there was no complaint from dpkg. the status from dpkg now show as 'pn'. however, when i use aptitude to install anything it shows that it's going to install modutils. this doesn't happen if i use apt-get. i am using etch. have i hit on a bug? |
| 09:25.05 | tarzeau | Azar: tried pathogen and supertransball2 yet? |
| 09:25.12 | litage | liable: that'll only tell me if the mobo has a sata controller. it won't identify if i have a sata-capable mobo with pata HDs |
| 09:25.14 | Azar | tarzeau: maybe they are not 3D or eyecandy but they are good games, running good |
| 09:25.18 | onetinsoldier | i won't repeat again..... |
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| 09:25.25 | tarzeau | onetinsoldier: i have seen it, i don't know. it must be a user problem |
| 09:25.25 | onetinsoldier | for a while |
| 09:25.32 | onetinsoldier | ??? |
| 09:25.34 | tarzeau | liable: yes |
| 09:25.36 | Azar | tarzeau: pathogen does not run on my box: accelleration issues. |
| 09:25.40 | David3 | surlaw: heh, you and 25 other people... as opposed to 37,000! |
| 09:25.43 | liable | tarzeau: it works ok? |
| 09:25.45 | tarzeau | Azar: i see |
| 09:25.48 | tarzeau | liable: yes |
| 09:25.53 | Azar | I only go ok with 2D |
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| 09:26.05 | liable | litage: wouldnt they be hd's if the were pata rather than sd's? |
| 09:26.20 | liable | tarzeau: ok, thanks |
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| 09:26.32 | onetinsoldier | why must it be a user problem and not a bug... especially if you've seen it before? |
| 09:26.48 | onetinsoldier | and especially if you think linux sucks? |
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| 09:27.31 | Azar | tarzeau Enigma and Trackballs are 3D and running good, but only those two as exception |
| 09:27.33 | litage | liable: ah that's true in 2.6, but 2.4 names everything hd* |
| 09:27.39 | liable | tarzeau: what driver for your card? |
| 09:27.43 | CAiRO | hmm, what can be the cause that after i've started tsclient (vnc client) the fonts for all my gtk apps changed? |
| 09:28.19 | surlaw | David3: well from what i read about that chipset, there is no really stable linux driver for it, and most people advise to use ndiswrapper =) |
| 09:28.28 | tarzeau | liable: nvidia |
| 09:28.32 | liable | ok ta |
| 09:28.44 | onetinsoldier | how can i make the status of a package show a 'un' rather then 'pn' in dpkg -l <package> ...? i know there's a way. i just can't remember what it is |
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| 09:29.32 | Ugly_Duck | if you use "make-kpkg --initrd --revision examplerev01 kernel_image" to compile a kernel etc, and changed examplerev01 to examplerev02 it complains? |
| 09:29.55 | liable | litage: i guess hdparm -i wont work with it if its sata, not a good way to tell, but another pointer :) |
| 09:30.24 | litage | hah thanks liable |
| 09:30.53 | onetinsoldier | Ugly_Duck: read the man page. it explains that --revision os remembered between build. but, you can do a 'make-kpkg clean' first and then you won't get a complaint. ;-) |
| 09:31.10 | onetinsoldier | os = *is |
| 09:31.14 | RvGaTe | hurray, my boss gave me a 17" tft to work with... before i had a 17" crt + 15" crt, how i have 17" tft with 17" crt :D |
| 09:31.33 | David3 | surlaw: I'm reading a bit of the same, although it looks like someone's hard at work at the reverse-engineering table -- claims of it working on Ubuntu Dapper 6 appear. You might consider downloading a dapper liveCD and see if it works there |
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| 09:31.51 | vladoportos | we get last week new 19 LCD and 19CRT :) |
| 09:31.57 | Ugly_Duck | onetinsoldier: ahh.. okies, thanks |
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| 09:32.16 | onetinsoldier | Ugly_Duck: sure... you're welcome |
| 09:33.04 | msn | I am stuck in a simple problem it seems. I am trying to use httrack on a website which seems to be pretty big. is there is someway i can httrack not to use cache and just download without worrying about updating later |
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| 09:33.26 | surlaw | David3: thx for ur help =) but im really new to linux and im totally lost under debian alrdy, so i dont really want to try another distrib before being able to know a little about linux =) ill try making ndsiwrapper work, there is no reason why i couldnt build it :p |
| 09:33.36 | liable | surlaw: how did you get gcc4.1 if you have sarge? |
| 09:33.37 | jesusch | Hi |
| 09:34.00 | jesusch | I'd like to know where I should ask for additional driver support for etch (installer and kernel) |
| 09:34.53 | liable | jesusch: we can give generic help if you just need to compile a module. what are you compiling? |
| 09:34.54 | David3 | surlaw: debian stable was my very first linux experience as well. It didn't stick... I ended up back on windoze. Then I tried mepis, and after a few months I was hooked on linux. Once I got to know more about it, I came back to debian -- but that was after a year and a half learning linux with mepis. |
| 09:35.34 | jesusch | liable: I'd like to know if there are plannings to support mptsas ( http://www.lsilogic.com/products/sas_ics/lsisas1064.html ) |
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| 09:35.57 | surlaw | David3: never heard of that mepis, ill check it =) but im gona make that damn ndiswrapper work first lol =) |
| 09:36.13 | liable | jesusch: that would be a kernel decision. you might want to check the lkml |
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| 09:36.19 | Azar | David3, surlaw, I first learned linux with Debian (Woody) sticked with Debian and I ditched Windows forever |
| 09:36.25 | David3 | surlaw: debian stable is a difficult distro for a noob, I can personally attest to it (of course that was even more true when stable was woody) -- the thing is, when you're running debian stable, the support just is not there for newer hardware and whatnot. |
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| 09:37.11 | liable | jesusch: or maybe someone would package the module source. dunno, its hard to say where to find out about that sort of thing. you could file a request to package if the code is open |
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| 09:37.19 | CAiRO | all my gtk fonts are fuzzy and hard to read all of a sudden :( |
| 09:37.23 | CAiRO | what could be the cause? |
| 09:37.24 | surlaw | David-Azar: well for me learning about linux <without being connected to the net is like impossible coz i have to run beetween my 2 comps all the time, so my FIRST priority is making my wifi work =) |
| 09:37.54 | jesusch | liable: code is GPL |
| 09:38.09 | David3 | surlaw: the reason I recommended a "LiveCD" -- see, you don't have to install it. You just download the CD, burn it, reboot your computer, and it doesn't install anything, it just brings up the OS -- and you can see if the card works. Once you have the CD downloaded and burned, the test shouldn't take you half an hour. |
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| 09:38.35 | tarzeau | CAiRO: hey mine too. screenshot? |
| 09:38.44 | Azar | surlaw: it only takes reading few howtos, practice a while command line then everything flows: http://www.unixguide.net/linux/linuxshortcuts.shtml |
| 09:38.45 | liable | surlaw: if you can get past that hurdle, you should be fine :) i remeber having the same problem except i had to get a laptop modem working .. that was a bit of a headache, but very satisfying when i got it :) |
| 09:38.52 | David3 | surlaw: I had the same problem with debian woody -- I couldn't get my pcmcia wired ethernet to work, and I didn't have a second computer, so I was stuck rebooting :-) |
| 09:38.53 | FabParma | i installed KDM, but now i can't login as root. how to enable it? |
| 09:39.10 | Azar | surlaw: and Debian: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/index.html#contents |
| 09:39.11 | CAiRO | tarzeau: serious? |
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| 09:39.12 | mrec_ | hmm I rebuild the debian netinst initrd with kernel 2.6 now I'm getting VFS: Cannot open root device "rd/0". any idea what I can do? |
| 09:39.15 | liable | jesusch: you could file a request to package i guess. |
| 09:39.20 | tarzeau | CAiRO: yes, show me how yours look |
| 09:39.26 | CAiRO | ok, one sec |
| 09:39.28 | David3 | fabparma: you shouldn't log in as root, it's a really really bad idea. |
| 09:39.30 | tarzeau | CAiRO: i can show you mine, it's very annoying and i don't have a fix :( |
| 09:39.41 | tarzeau | CAiRO: i wonder if it's the same problem like yours... did you install/remove any fonts? |
| 09:39.54 | tarzeau | CAiRO: gtk2 apps and firefox, right? |
| 09:39.55 | CAiRO | yes, i think xfonts or something had an update yesterday |
| 09:39.57 | onetinsoldier | FabParma: you mean you can't log in on kdm as root? what happens when you try to? |
| 09:40.04 | CAiRO | tarzeau: yes, firefox and all gtk2 apps |
| 09:40.07 | tarzeau | CAiRO: i've had this problem since several weeks if not months |
| 09:40.17 | FabParma | onetinsoldier: i know. but i need |
| 09:40.20 | David3 | fabparma: what I usually do is open a konsole window as root, and do my admin from there |
| 09:40.23 | CAiRO | tarzeau: over here, it started just a second ago |
| 09:40.28 | liable | mrec_: have you read dwn this week? theres a new thing that can sorta do it for you if you just need a new kernel or something. |
| 09:40.29 | onetinsoldier | FabParma: what happens when you try to? |
| 09:40.30 | tarzeau | CAiRO: screenshot! |
| 09:40.31 | Azar | onetinsoldier: you do not need to: as user just open a CLI terminal, type su and root password and there you are |
| 09:40.43 | CAiRO | tarzeau: yes, hold, i can't type and make a screenshot at the same time :) |
| 09:41.09 | lord_rob | don't type then :p |
| 09:41.14 | FabParma | onetinsoldier: nothing |
| 09:41.23 | mrec_ | liable: nope |
| 09:41.30 | David3 | surlaw: I spent approximately 30 hours struggling before I got wireless to work -- and that was after being on linux for two years, and I was using an open source driver for an older chipset that has better support |
| 09:41.45 | onetinsoldier | Azar: roger...i know you can always su in X as root. still, even though it's higly recommend that you do not run X as root.. someone might want to for some reason that's beyond me |
| 09:41.46 | Azar | David3: wireless sucks |
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| 09:42.08 | surlaw | Azar, David3 thx a lot for ur help =) i took notes of the link and ideas =) i sucessfully compiled ndiswrapper 1.14 (seems 1.16 was the prob) im going to check if it works now =) |
| 09:42.12 | David3 | surlaw: so it might be a good time investment to just give ubuntu a whirl. If your wireless just works there -- and it might -- then that might just be the way to go |
| 09:42.12 | surlaw | stew: thx to you too ^^ |
| 09:42.13 | Azar | onetinsoldier: only those who do not care about security |
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| 09:42.27 | David3 | surlaw: wow, excellent. good luck |
| 09:42.28 | onetinsoldier | Azar: correct |
| 09:42.41 | liable | mrec_: check it out and let us know how it goes |
| 09:42.41 | vladoportos | i runn x as root |
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| 09:42.56 | Azar | vladoportos: noob |
| 09:42.57 | onetinsoldier | FabParma: are you just wanting to run x-windows as the root user? namely kde |
| 09:43.01 | vladoportos | but i have HW firewall so utside its go only ssh |
| 09:43.09 | jesusch | liable: I just search /lib/modules/<linux-image-sid> there the drivers are on place - so it seems that they already found their way into kernel-source. But d-i doesn't support it |
| 09:43.13 | vladoportos | inside there is nobody who can acces it |
| 09:43.13 | FabParma | onetinsoldier: what can i do to login as root at kdm |
| 09:43.18 | David3 | azar: yeah, it has its bad points and its good points. I'm sitting in an old house that is spread out, and everyone in the family has computers that need to access the net in various places all about, and we simply cannot run wires to and fro |
| 09:43.27 | Azar | vladoportos: ssh is vulnerable as well |
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| 09:43.38 | vladoportos | but not that much |
| 09:43.43 | liable | jesusch: oh, so you need a newer install image? |
| 09:43.44 | Azar | vladoportos: says you |
| 09:44.00 | jesusch | liable: I already tried etch beta2 |
| 09:44.00 | vladoportos | and i played with setting so its more secure |
| 09:44.16 | David3 | azar: so yeah, it sucks in that its insecure, and a pain to get working, and some people think the em radiation is unhealthy, but its really really convenient and fantastic if you can't run wires |
| 09:44.22 | onetinsoldier | FabParma: tell me what happens if you do the following at the console as root.... /etc/init.d/kdm stop then... startx |
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| 09:44.27 | Azar | vladoportos: just take a look at /var/log/auth.log file :) |
| 09:44.28 | FabParma | I installed KDM, but now i can't login as root. How can I enable it? |
| 09:44.30 | liable | jesusch: whats the module for? |
| 09:44.45 | Miesco | How would I ping a range of ip's to see what one's are up? |
| 09:44.51 | liable | FabParma: why do you need to? |
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| 09:45.38 | liable | FabParma: maybe theres a way to do what you need to do without logging in as root |
| 09:45.52 | FabParma | I installed KDM, but now i can't login as root. How can I enable it? I need to make few tests |
| 09:46.09 | onetinsoldier | FabParma: tell me what happens if you do the following at the console as root.... /etc/init.d/kdm stop then... startx |
| 09:46.21 | Azar | FabParma: open up a terminal, type su then the root password |
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| 09:46.34 | jesusch | liable: it's for storage controller (serial attached storage) - without it no disks avail. :/ |
| 09:46.49 | vladoportos | Azar: nothing alarming there |
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| 09:47.01 | David3 | how do we boot someone out of the irc channel who keeps asking a question and not responding to potential answers? |
| 09:47.06 | liable | jesusch: but you say its in 2.6.16? |
| 09:47.07 | Miesco | I found it out, nmap -sP 192.168.2.* |
| 09:47.16 | Azar | vladoportos: how many IPs visited you? |
| 09:47.17 | E-bola | Whats the esiest way to upgrde sarge to etch? |
| 09:47.25 | jesusch | I'm currently trying daily d-i |
| 09:47.25 | liable | David3: we lart them untill they leave? :) |
| 09:47.29 | E-bola | apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt do anything, do i need ot edit my apt sources first? |
| 09:47.31 | jesusch | let's see |
| 09:47.34 | onetinsoldier | !upgrade |
| 09:47.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 09:47.44 | onetinsoldier | bah |
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| 09:48.11 | vladoportos | Azar: strangly lots... seems like brute force atack |
| 09:48.18 | Azar | E-bola: go to /etc/apt and edit sources.list file by replacing "stable" with "testing" on each source line. Save the file then type aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 09:48.26 | liable | E-bola: read the debian reference, its a good doc for starting out |
| 09:48.36 | mtp | mindstrm: if you want program-readable output, try fping or hping |
| 09:48.39 | E-bola | Azar: i can use the names also right? Like change sarge to etch? |
| 09:48.41 | mtp | i think it might be hping2 |
| 09:48.41 | Azar | vladoportos: maybe nobody got in but chances are, someday someone gets in |
| 09:48.50 | E-bola | using the testing etc terms is a bad idea when they change around if u ask me |
| 09:48.51 | vladoportos | I gonna set delay betwen logins for 1min |
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| 09:48.56 | jesusch | E-bola: first update your sources.list, then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 09:49.06 | mtp | err |
| 09:49.06 | Azar | E-bola yes but I experienced hardships some mirrors will not understand "etch" |
| 09:49.13 | mtp | he left. c.c |
| 09:49.22 | mtp | i lose. |
| 09:49.25 | vladoportos | i didnt say that ssh its super secure or like that but what elese to use for remote ? |
| 09:49.38 | E-bola | ok thanks |
| 09:49.40 | E-bola | its upgrading... |
| 09:49.44 | liable | vladoportos: use key auth |
| 09:49.48 | David3 | e-bola: yeah, but they won't change until december. get yourself upgraded with "testing" and then change it back to "etch" when it's working |
| 09:49.50 | mtp | or OPIE. |
| 09:49.51 | mtp | :) |
| 09:50.09 | vladoportos | key auth works only wor ssh1 no ? |
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| 09:50.30 | Azar | vladoportos: number one: you could change the ssh port to some public / unused port like say 8023 then you can install and configure denyhosts |
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| 09:51.02 | vladoportos | there is only one user allowed to login to ssh on my box |
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| 09:51.19 | liable | vladoportos: no |
| 09:51.22 | Azar | vladoportos: you can share with him the new ssh port if you want him in |
| 09:51.41 | vladoportos | ? |
| 09:51.54 | Azar | vladoportos: if you change the ssh port I ment |
| 09:51.59 | vladoportos | aha |
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| 09:52.13 | onetinsoldier | how can i make the status of a package show a 'un' rather then 'pn' in dpkg -l <package> ...? i know there's a way i just can't remember what it is, something piped into dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:52.32 | vladoportos | hmm oki i change the port, what else i can do to inprove security on ssh ? |
| 09:52.43 | liable | key auth |
| 09:52.45 | Azar | vladoportos: google for denyhosts |
| 09:52.51 | vladoportos | ok |
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| 09:53.25 | Azar | vladoportos: http://tdot.blog-city.com/securing_ssh_with_denyhosts.htm |
| 09:53.29 | davidlee | hi everybody. |
| 09:53.34 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 09:53.42 | vladoportos | thanks Azar |
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| 09:53.55 | Azar | 817 hi's for you |
| 09:54.02 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 09:54.35 | davidlee | I have a package (mpt-status) which is stuck and can be neither installed nor removed (its in a "very bad inconsistent state"). The scripts for installation / removal fail, and no forcing seems to help (tried forcing with aptitude, apt-get, dpkg) |
| 09:54.38 | vladoportos | hmm MaxStartups 1 in ssh looks usefull |
| 09:54.47 | Mammut | where can I find the log wich logs the startup of the Linux OS? |
| 09:55.03 | davidlee | can anyone let me know how to really , really force removal? |
| 09:55.20 | onetinsoldier | Mammut: probably /var/log/kern.log |
| 09:55.26 | lord_rob | davidlee: are you using aptitude ? |
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| 09:55.30 | davidlee | lord_rob: yes |
| 09:55.32 | Mammut | onetinsoldier, THX |
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| 09:55.37 | onetinsoldier | yw |
| 09:55.42 | Azar | vladoportos: this is better for you: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 09:55.49 | davidlee | lord_rob: until this happened, then i dropped into dpkg / apt |
| 09:56.03 | Mammut | ups on a redhead? |
| 09:56.10 | lord_rob | davidlee: so use the "_" key to purge the package |
| 09:56.19 | davidlee | purge doesn't work |
| 09:56.21 | lord_rob | or aptitude purge package |
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| 09:56.42 | davidlee | it recommends i install the package properly because it's in-between installation (never got there in the first place) |
| 09:56.51 | davidlee | even force purge don't work |
| 09:56.55 | vladoportos | thanx again Azar i gonna check it now |
| 09:56.59 | Azar | ewww the new firefox upgrade brings in popunder spam |
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| 09:57.49 | setcode | I have lost my mail command, how to gei it now ? |
| 09:58.04 | davidlee | lord_rob: "Package is (fucked) .. you should reinstall it before attempting removal" |
| 09:58.09 | davidlee | unfortunately that's impossible |
| 09:58.28 | davidlee | i've tried dpkg --purge --force-all but same response |
| 09:58.54 | mtp | dpkg --purge --hate-you-all |
| 09:59.01 | wy | I need some help on automake. I've got this problem: automake: configure.ac: installing `[config]/install-sh'; error while making link..... |
| 09:59.16 | davidlee | so i need to either a) find a way to FORCE it, or try to edit the package database by hand and hose my system. |
| 09:59.39 | davidlee | or just rebuild the damn thing, which would be so lame. |
| 09:59.42 | mrec_ | liable: hmm anyway I'm curious why my initrd doesn't want to boot it worked before now I'm doing something wrong with that derived netboot initrd |
| 10:00.10 | setcode | I think i have found :: I need to install mailx package |
| 10:00.29 | davidlee | by the way anyone know how to monitor drive failures on an IBM eServer ServerRaid hardware raid setup without the vendor supplied( SUSE, RH ) software ? |
| 10:00.55 | davidlee | suspect either way I'll need to rebuild and use software RAID -- also lame |
| 10:01.24 | Azar | it seems raid sucks? |
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| 10:02.16 | Azar | davidlee: the suse, rh vendors should provide support that why they are for $$ sale |
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| 10:02.30 | acecile | davidlee, I guess you can run alien on ibm rpm |
| 10:02.39 | acecile | to create a fake debian package |
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| 10:03.45 | Azar | why tzconfig will not mind about daylight saving time? it gave me the wrong time for my zone, one hour late! |
| 10:04.10 | simonrvn | it doesn't set the time, just the TZ |
| 10:04.14 | davidlee | acecile: ive done that. no dice. 197 unspecified untraced c++ and java depends |
| 10:04.15 | Azar | hmm I will try proshield |
| 10:04.21 | Azar | ah I see simonrvn |
| 10:04.25 | onetinsoldier | Azar: install ntpdate |
| 10:04.35 | Azar | ok |
| 10:04.40 | simonrvn | and ntp-simple |
| 10:04.40 | onetinsoldier | :) |
| 10:04.54 | simonrvn | sync your other machines to your main box |
| 10:05.10 | simonrvn | (easier than it sounds) |
| 10:05.11 | davidlee | this package has stuffed my whole system. Lame for apt. |
| 10:06.11 | Azar | onetinsoldier: already have it but shows same wrong time |
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| 10:06.59 | lawner | is there a way to find out w/ dpkg/apt-get when a package was installed |
| 10:07.09 | onetinsoldier | davidlee: i use to solve the very problem your having all the time... years ago when i used sid! now i'm so rusty i hardly remember how to do any of that sort of thing |
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| 10:07.21 | Ugly_Duck | onetinsoldier: if the install of kernel-image custom01 etc, fails on install saying its already installed, what do i need to do? can you point me in the right direction please |
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| 10:08.30 | Azar | hehe: - - ProShield Advisories for egeon: - - |
| 10:08.31 | Azar | *Your system clock is ahead by 3625 seconds. |
| 10:08.55 | onetinsoldier | Ugly_Duck: does the package have the exact same name? did you try the 'make-kpkg clean' before building again? |
| 10:09.08 | Azar | done |
| 10:09.41 | Ugly_Duck | onetinsoldier: ahhh, okies; i did 'make-kpkg clean', i haven't tried to install it yet, but a previous one did give me an error, i'll try it and find out when its finished |
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| 10:10.58 | onetinsoldier | Ugly_Duck: you can try the following 'at your own risk'... dpkg -i --force-conflicts <package> |
| 10:11.34 | jesusch | liable: also with daily d-i it does not work |
| 10:12.03 | jesusch | It's quite strange as the modules are on place and loaded, but with a different module version number |
| 10:12.52 | Bazy | can anyone tell me the diference between 1000BaseSX and 1000BaseTX... I mean if the switch has 1000BaseSX will it work ok with a 3Com Gbit NIC? |
| 10:13.22 | jesusch | d-i has mptbase v3.03.04 (which is not working) - but someone got it working with mptbase 3.02.18? |
| 10:14.03 | jesusch | Bazy: 1000SX and 1000TX are different connectors (one copper (TX) one fibre optic (SX)) |
| 10:14.18 | Azar | ok now that I have seen both versions, Sarge and Etch my conclusion: Etch looks pretty stable, but there is an "umf" about Sarge: Graphics look way better on it, say lbreakout2 game looks clearer, a tad bigger details, and the font looks more elegant everywhere on screen. gkrellm looks more "slim and cool". Both machines, the ETch and Sarge use same chipset and hardware. Same nVidia card and driver. Etch uses 2.6.15 kernel, Sarge uses 2.6 |
| 10:15.08 | onetinsoldier | Sarge uses 2.6? 2.6.what? |
| 10:15.12 | onetinsoldier | 2.6.0? |
| 10:15.28 | Azar | onetinsoldier: read again |
| 10:15.31 | FabParma | i have to search a word into a file i done find / | grep wordsearched, but i can find it. what missing? |
| 10:15.38 | Bazy | jesusch thank you men! :-) |
| 10:15.57 | simonrvn | sarge is 2.6.8 |
| 10:16.04 | simonrvn | sheesh |
| 10:16.09 | onetinsoldier | ty simonrvn! |
| 10:17.35 | acecile | davidlee, have you looked to rpm depency, and try to figure out which package provides the same in debian ? |
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| 10:18.46 | onetinsoldier | Azar: and i quote... "Etch uses 2.6.15, Sarge uses 2.6" |
| 10:19.29 | mrec_ | does anoyne know about initrd files? I really really wonder why it doesn't boot and just complains about cannot open root device "rd/0" |
| 10:19.37 | Bazy | jesusch can you please tell me the difference between 1000Base-T and 1000Base-TX? |
| 10:20.03 | mrec_ | linuxrc doesn't even get called there |
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| 10:20.48 | nkuttler | FabParma: you want to grep all files on your disk? |
| 10:22.09 | bibe | FabParma : grep -r wordsearched / |
| 10:22.45 | Azar | onetinsoldier: sorry, my last line reads: " Etch uses 2.6.15 |
| 10:22.48 | jesusch | Bazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000BaseTX |
| 10:22.51 | ma3x | can I mount my cell phone via infrared port and upload/download pictures? |
| 10:22.51 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.00 | jesusch | Bazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000BASE-SX |
| 10:23.13 | onetinsoldier | i installed debian with netinstall diskettes, which installed kernel-2.4.27. i updated to kernel-2.6.15 with apt-get an then used dpkg to --purge modutils... it wasn't needed anymore and there was no complaint from dpkg. the status from dpkg now show as 'pn'. however, when i use aptitude to install anything it shows that it's going to install modutils. this doesn't happen if i use apt-get. i am using etch. have i hit on a bug? |
| 10:23.25 | Bazy | jesusch thank you again |
| 10:23.55 | Azar | onetinsoldier: number one: Etch never installs with a 2.4.x kernel |
| 10:24.30 | Azar | onetinsoldier: isn't that you installed Sarge then went for the jugular with 2.6.15? |
| 10:25.20 | onetinsoldier | Azar: are you 100% sure? have you installed using net installation floppy disks method!?!? |
| 10:26.01 | onetinsoldier | i installed Etch... using net installation floppy disks |
| 10:26.25 | onetinsoldier | the beta2 floppy disks that are available on www.debian.org |
| 10:27.27 | x`y`-xy | how can extract the files from mysql-administrator-1.1.10a-linux-i386.tar.gz |
| 10:27.34 | x`y`-xy | help me pls |
| 10:28.01 | liable | !tar |
| 10:28.01 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 10:28.41 | liable | Azar: etch does have an option for a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:28.52 | Azar | onetinsoldier: etch installs with 2.6.15 (the installer) |
| 10:28.56 | Azar | right, liable? |
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| 10:29.32 | liable | Azar: there is an option for 2.4 and the floppies prolly use 2.4 too, though i am not sure (dont think 2.6 fits on a floppy) |
| 10:29.46 | onetinsoldier | Azar: have you tried the net installation? using the net install floppy diskette method? the etch beta2 floppy disk net installation.... :-| |
| 10:29.48 | Azar | liable that too, a 2.6 kernel is huge |
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| 10:30.09 | Azar | onetinsoldier: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20060315 |
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| 10:30.37 | tsuyoshi | hi.. I have a mostly stable system with some packages from testing |
| 10:30.53 | tsuyoshi | is there an easy way to downgrade libc6 back to the stable version? |
| 10:30.56 | liable | onetinsoldier: have you tried aptitude purge modutils? |
| 10:31.20 | Azar | liable: are modutils obsolete in etch? |
| 10:31.20 | liable | onetinsoldier: though it needs to be installed first |
| 10:31.27 | liable | Azar: dunno |
| 10:31.40 | tsuyoshi | or at least is there a way to get a list of which packages are installed that aren't from stable? |
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| 10:31.56 | onetinsoldier | Azar: i read the news before i even installed... i have been wondering why it installed a 2.4.27 kernel also.. but all i know is that i DID download the etch beta2 net installer floppy disks and it installs a 2.4.27 kernel. i have installed more than once using these floppy disks. |
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| 10:32.48 | tsuyoshi | gah.. I don't think I'm ever moving off of stable ever again |
| 10:33.03 | Azar | onetinsoldier: if you say so, myself I made sure I got a 2.6.8 kernel in Sarge before I upgraded to Etch. Not that it was mandatory, but just to get a bit comfy before upgrade to etch |
| 10:33.15 | onetinsoldier | liable: well, modutils has been purged with dpkg. i really don't want to install it again, although i suppose i could. |
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| 10:33.57 | Azar | tsuyoshi: I am not sure that any kind of "downgrade" works. but Etch is not so bad. |
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| 10:34.13 | Azar | tsuyoshi: what kernel version are you using? |
| 10:34.22 | tsuyoshi | azar: well, I need to compile something, and it won't compile because of some libc problem |
| 10:34.33 | tsuyoshi | kernel? I dunno |
| 10:34.37 | tsuyoshi | lemme see |
| 10:34.41 | Azar | tsuyoshi: uname -a |
| 10:34.55 | tsuyoshi | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 10:35.22 | xomhau | hi all |
| 10:35.33 | Azar | tsuyoshi: you could go for etch, is pretty stable, and you get a newer gcc and a newer kernel too... |
| 10:35.43 | xomhau | anyone , how to transparency mc? |
| 10:35.54 | tsuyoshi | what is etch? is that testing? |
| 10:36.05 | liable | yes |
| 10:36.05 | tsuyoshi | god.. I don't want a new kernel |
| 10:36.07 | Azar | tsuyoshi: yes and will be out hopefully this year |
| 10:36.14 | tsuyoshi | every time I upgrade the kernel it's a huge pain in the ass |
| 10:36.27 | Azar | tsuyoshi: is a precompiled kernel goes easy and fast |
| 10:36.40 | tsuyoshi | no no no |
| 10:36.44 | Azar | :) ok |
| 10:36.47 | tsuyoshi | there's always some catch when you upgrade the kernel |
| 10:36.52 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 10:37.27 | meester | like removal of APM support, which sucks if your on an older machine |
| 10:37.33 | Azar | tsuyoshi: the rule is simple: you only can get a precompiled kernel from the version you run: Sarge's highest is 2.6.8 , Etch starts with 2.6.15 |
| 10:37.39 | tsuyoshi | like some driver is gone or the filesystem screws up or the iptables or ipchains or whatever the hell they call it now is now something different and all your networking config has to change... |
| 10:38.01 | rumpl | the world changes |
| 10:38.17 | Azar | tsuyoshi: indeed the X server and iptables need reconfiguration after kernel upgrade |
| 10:38.18 | rumpl | so does the kernel |
| 10:38.19 | tsuyoshi | yes but I don't have time for this stuff right now |
| 10:38.37 | onetinsoldier | normally you can always keep you older kernel and boot to it if you want tho |
| 10:38.47 | Azar | tsuyoshi: indeed, ok then stay with stable |
| 10:38.58 | onetinsoldier | well.. scrtach always.. almost always |
| 10:39.11 | onetinsoldier | *scratch |
| 10:39.11 | tsuyoshi | hrm.. maybe I can compile this on another system that's still just stable |
| 10:39.23 | Azar | onetinsoldier: people have lifes, wifes and jobs. not everyone is a home alone kid |
| 10:39.33 | onetinsoldier | ??? |
| 10:39.54 | tsuyoshi | so there's no easy way to downgrade? |
| 10:40.27 | Azar | tsuyoshi: it might get more complicated.. if you used mixed packages it might be some stuff gets screwed along |
| 10:40.34 | tsuyoshi | hrm.. this apt pinning is a crock |
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| 10:41.08 | Azar | tsuyoshi: if you only want sarge do not try to get packages outside its repositories |
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| 10:41.41 | tsuyoshi | azar: yeah, now I know |
| 10:41.53 | Azar | tsuyoshi: I am a beginner as well, I would not know how to fix broken things |
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| 10:42.38 | mrec_ | can someone tell me why the debian netinst initrds work without linuxrc file? |
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| 10:44.40 | Azar | this is a cool piece of news: Web-Interface for Preseeding: installing a small image directly from the web |
| 10:45.14 | Azar | When booted, it will install an operating system via the network according to the user's specifications. |
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| 10:46.00 | Azar | http://www.instalinux.com/ |
| 10:46.00 | bibe | Azar : I already have my iso, I'm waiting to try it... after lunch :) |
| 10:46.10 | Azar | bibe yay nice |
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| 10:48.25 | liable | bibe: can you pick a kernel etc? |
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| 10:48.38 | liable | i guess i should just go check.. |
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| 10:49.12 | tsuyoshi | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
| 10:49.24 | tsuyoshi | trying that method, it seems to be working... |
| 10:49.32 | Azar | http://www.instalinux.com/howto.php << do not wipe your HD with this procedure (newbies) |
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| 10:49.59 | Azar | tsuyoshi: \0/ nice |
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| 10:51.07 | tsuyoshi | hrm.. it's not downgrading libc6 though |
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| 10:51.24 | tsuyoshi | it is downgrading libgcc1, maybe that will help |
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| 10:52.00 | Azar | wow people testing instalinux since March! we are way behind |
| 10:52.28 | Azar | tsuyoshi: maybe uninstall then install what you need? |
| 10:52.29 | tsuyoshi | oh god.. it's downgrading rxvt-unicode-ml |
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| 10:53.09 | Azar | tsuyoshi: you can do aptitude update/upgrade when you done there, might fix it |
| 10:53.38 | Azar | tsuyoshi: make sure you change all your apt sources back to stable before update/upgrade |
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| 10:54.39 | Azar | liable: http://www.instalinux.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=85 |
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| 10:56.18 | liable | bah, i was hoping it would let you choose a kernel. its still very fucking cool though. |
| 10:56.34 | Azar | :) by the time etch is out , this tool will be fixed as well |
| 10:57.08 | Azar | liable: I guess kernels are too big for this kind of install |
| 10:57.22 | Azar | ..I mean 2.6.x ones |
| 10:58.27 | liable | Azar: nothing to do with size, it uses a standard install disk and make a script to autoanswer stuff, i thought it was like an install builder.. |
| 10:59.44 | Azar | with so many cpu architectures is hard to automate an auto-kernel update right after an install |
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| 11:00.12 | Azar | something like that would be a "coda" to a base install |
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| 11:01.49 | Azar | I usually love to start very small, and install and configure bit by bit the rest |
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| 11:04.53 | Edward_TLS | apt-get[5839]: segfault at 00002abfb43992fc rip 00002aaaaac14e01 rsp 00007ffffffe42f0 error 4 |
| 11:05.03 | Edward_TLS | can this be memory... ? |
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| 11:05.30 | tsuyoshi | Edward_TLS: you mean, bad memory? |
| 11:05.46 | Edward_TLS | yes bad memory |
| 11:06.05 | tsuyoshi | sure |
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| 11:06.17 | liable | looks ominous whatver it is |
| 11:06.30 | tsuyoshi | try running a memory tester |
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| 11:07.54 | tsuyoshi | it could also be a bug in apt-get |
| 11:08.25 | tsuyoshi | but it seems unlikely |
| 11:09.45 | Edward_TLS | 1 have 2 new machines and used the same install... |
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| 11:09.50 | Edward_TLS | must be the machine.. |
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| 11:12.07 | unfo | hi all, how well would syslog on my machine cope with receiving 200,000 lines in a short time for an experiment i may try? |
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| 11:12.40 | unfo | (it's about 500 kilobytes of text.) |
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| 11:13.14 | wah | hi. is there a way i can encrypt the memory on my debian system? does anyone have more info on that? i can't find useful information with google. |
| 11:13.27 | Edward_TLS | can I run the memtest on a running machine... ? |
| 11:13.29 | tsuyoshi | wah: you mean encrypt ram? |
| 11:13.39 | wah | tsuyoshi: yes |
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| 11:13.47 | Coweater | wah: you'd be writing kernel patches, it's easier to protect the system itself |
| 11:13.48 | tsuyoshi | wah: that's insane |
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| 11:13.59 | unfo | wah: what are you *really* trying to do? |
| 11:14.02 | jerware | has anyone installed ndiswrapper? |
| 11:14.11 | tsuyoshi | so, now my libc is broken |
| 11:14.34 | unfo | jerware: module-assistant is supposed to make it easy. type: /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 11:14.52 | jerware | i am aware that i need windows drivers to begin with for first installation of ndiswrapper. must these drivers be pulled off a windows partition after being installed? or can i get them off the disk provided with the linksys card |
| 11:15.05 | jerware | module-assistant ehh? |
| 11:15.17 | jerware | hmmm |
| 11:15.35 | unfo | your driver q sounds like a question that will be answered by google. |
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| 11:15.44 | jerware | oh |
| 11:15.48 | wah | i'm building a debian image and i want that to be as secure as possible, encrypting the filesystems etc. i have read an e-mail on the lkml that you can encrypt the ram but i haven't found any info on that |
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| 11:16.04 | siemer | Hi! |
| 11:16.12 | unfo | wah: why would you want to encrypt the ram? siemer: hi |
| 11:16.41 | tsuyoshi | I don't think encrypting the ram will really get you anything |
| 11:16.47 | unfo | wah: why do you want enhanced security? what are your goals? |
| 11:16.51 | siemer | How can I tell apt-get to ignore a package a continue as if it would not be on the system? |
| 11:16.55 | tsuyoshi | it has to be unencrypted before you can use it |
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| 11:17.07 | unfo | si0ux: why? |
| 11:17.15 | unfo | oops, si0ux scrach that |
| 11:17.27 | unfo | siemer^H^H^H^H^H^HDarten: why? |
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| 11:17.33 | tsuyoshi | and it has to be trasparent to userspace.. so basically all you have to do is compromise the userspace and you can get to it |
| 11:17.38 | jesusch | How does I tell d-i to load modules from its initrd? |
| 11:17.51 | wah | unfo: the image should run within vmware and noone outside should be able to read the memory |
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| 11:18.11 | Darten | aptitude wants to uninstall lbxproxy (conflicts with x11-common), but I just want to stay _that_ as it is. (lbxproxy installed does not hurt anybody...) --> unfo |
| 11:18.12 | tsuyoshi | and hell.. how does the kernel unencrypt it? I don't think you'd get any security at all from encrypting ram |
| 11:18.16 | unfo | wah: which vmware, and on which OS? |
| 11:18.19 | jesusch | like boot: linux module1 module2 etc? |
| 11:18.23 | tsuyoshi | unless you're talking about sleep mode or something |
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| 11:18.44 | unfo | Darten: usually conflict tags are there for a reason. |
| 11:18.44 | wah | unfo: os: debian gnu/linux and the vmware server |
| 11:18.53 | unfo | VMServer Beta> |
| 11:18.55 | unfo | ? |
| 11:19.03 | Darten | unfo: but I know better and want to override that. |
| 11:19.15 | wah | unfo: yes, at the beginning. i'm just trying to find out whether this is possible at all |
| 11:19.34 | Darten | unfo: I want to "permanently" erase that conflict-tag. - How!? |
| 11:19.40 | unfo | wah: who are you worried will read the ram inside the VM? :) |
| 11:19.55 | unfo | Darten: if you know better then you know to check the manpage. :) |
| 11:20.00 | wah | unfo: people who should use the image on their sites |
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| 11:20.17 | unfo | Darten: if not then do you really know better? :;) |
| 11:20.24 | Darten | unfo: I checked and found no way. Are you playing with me or just don't know the answer either!? |
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| 11:20.36 | unfo | Darten: isnt it --force-all or something? |
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| 11:20.58 | unfo | wah: whats inside the image? |
| 11:21.05 | Darten | unfo: I installed lbxproxy already, but aptitude keeps keen on deinstalling it every time... |
| 11:21.20 | wah | unfo: debian gnu/linux |
| 11:21.58 | unfo | wah: what are you trying to do??? |
| 11:21.58 | unfo | wah: why do you want debian to, um, "encrypt the ram" |
| 11:21.58 | Darten | unfo: what is the database file that keeps track what is installed? |
| 11:22.05 | unfo | Darten: don't remember |
| 11:22.12 | unfo | Darten: you installed both at once using --force-all already? |
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| 11:22.35 | wah | unfo: i want debian to encrypt the ram so noone can read the ram from outside the image |
| 11:22.36 | Darten | unfo: both installed. (just --force-conflict for lbxproxy) |
| 11:22.54 | unfo | wah: why? |
| 11:23.13 | Darten | unfo: I think I can just tell apt that the package is newer than apt thinks, but how to do? |
| 11:23.36 | wah | unfo: uhm... because noone should be able to read it? |
| 11:24.05 | unfo | Darten: if aptitude thinks --force-conflict is a problem after the fact then i dunno, maybe you need to change some switch in aptitude. |
| 11:24.08 | unfo | wah: why not? |
| 11:24.26 | unfo | wah: if you explain what you are trying to do then great, maybe I can help you. |
| 11:24.31 | unfo | wah: if not, I can't. |
| 11:24.39 | Darten | How knows where apt keeps track of what is installed?! - Some File!?? |
| 11:24.48 | z421 | hello |
| 11:25.12 | FrenchCore | 'lo |
| 11:25.18 | unfo | Darten: type: dpkg --get-selections to see the list. |
| 11:25.27 | wah | unfo: people should use the provided image but should not be able to read the data on it |
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| 11:25.42 | unfo | Darten: the Apt Howto is an excellent document for tips like that. |
| 11:26.22 | unfo | wah: why not? are you trying to distribute a demo of some software? a distributed computing project? or something? |
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| 11:27.14 | wah | unfo: it's something like a distributed computing project |
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| 11:27.23 | unfo | wah: in vmware????? |
| 11:28.50 | wah | unfo: well, thanks for your help, i think this is not getting anywhere. i guess it's not possible to encrypt ram. somewhere the data _has_ to be unencrypted, and that has to be in ram, where else. am i wrong? |
| 11:29.22 | unfo | wah: why would you do it inside vmware? |
| 11:29.39 | unfo | wah: and how secret could the data really be? |
| 11:31.47 | unfo | wah: hello? are you there? :) |
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| 11:36.47 | wah | unfo: yes, i'm here |
| 11:36.52 | Coweater | it does have to be in ram, just use the os to limit access, what it's built to do |
| 11:37.02 | wah | it's done inside vmware so it's easier to deploy |
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| 11:37.20 | wah | unfo: what do you mean by how secret the data could be? |
| 11:38.13 | unfo | wah: welcome back. youre running a distributed computing project on secret data? |
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| 11:39.11 | wah | unfo: it's something like a distributed computing project |
| 11:39.12 | Coweater | someone did a project like this, at university, people brought laptops in, cds were handed out to boot from, something like that |
| 11:40.08 | wah | Coweater: the direct access to the image is blocked anyways |
| 11:40.11 | tsuyoshi | and they encrypted the ram? |
| 11:40.15 | unfo | wah: what is the project? will you have to kill us if you tell us? :) |
| 11:40.53 | Coweater | of course not, you can't encrypt ram |
| 11:41.18 | Coweater | you would have to do something silly like have a duplicate memory which only the encryption program could access |
| 11:41.29 | Coweater | and then you'd be writing an os |
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| 11:42.02 | Coweater | it's a silly idea, the work cost would be more than just creating a private system |
| 11:42.41 | wah | unfo: i can't talk about the project right now. but i thought before that it's not possible to encrypt the ram, so i'm confirmed in that :-) |
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| 11:43.26 | unfo | wah: i strongly recommend you should go to someone expert you trust (a professor?) and talk with them about your project and get advice. |
| 11:43.45 | wah | unfo: thanks |
| 11:44.07 | strk | I'm having trouble with PDF from docbook XML creation, and it seems they've been introduced by a dist-upgrade, is there a channel for SGML or TEX specific discussion ? |
| 11:44.14 | unfo | wah: perhaps you need more background knowledge on security before you start if you are so intent on a 100% secure system. :) |
| 11:44.33 | unfo | wah: remember, if someone wants to crack something badly enough, there is no way to stop them. |
| 11:44.44 | unfo | all you can do is try to discourage. |
| 11:45.25 | unfo | or you can let them ssh or VNC in instead and hope they wont compromise your security. |
| 11:45.38 | wah | i know there is no 100% secure system |
| 11:45.48 | unfo | strk: ask here. |
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| 11:46.10 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 11:46.25 | wah | i want to have a high entry level, that's all |
| 11:46.39 | unfo | wah: think to yourself: why? |
| 11:46.47 | unfo | then tell us. :) |
| 11:46.50 | wah | :-) |
| 11:47.12 | unfo | also, if you keep your details closed, we cannot help you, and there is no point asking. |
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| 11:47.32 | unfo | anyway, ideas are not worth $, implementations are. |
| 11:47.34 | strk | unfo: from XML we produce a .fo file with xsltproc, then with pdfxmltex attempt at generating the .pdf. Problem is that the .fo file seems bogus, and has been produced by xsltproc |
| 11:47.59 | unfo | strk: (i know nothing about docbook.) what did you try to do to solve it already? |
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| 11:48.05 | wah | unfo: my question was if it's possible to encrypt ram. to answer this question no more background knowledge is needed :-) |
| 11:48.23 | unfo | wah: i suspect you need more help than just that answer. |
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| 11:48.46 | unfo | strk: also: "bogus"? |
| 11:48.48 | strk | unfo: googled' for it. upgraded some packages, but still having troubles. I know nothing about TEX and XSLT myself, that's why I was asking for another channel |
| 11:48.55 | wah | unfo: that's okay, it's just a beginning... |
| 11:48.57 | krnl`- | i've got a problem with C and MySQL! if client reconnects because of a call to mysql_ping(), my prepared statements lost. how can i avoid this? |
| 11:49.05 | unfo | wah: it is not a beginning. :) |
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| 11:49.09 | strk | unfo: "bogus" as in "pdfxmltex" complains about it |
| 11:49.16 | unfo | strk: error msg? |
| 11:49.42 | strk | ! LaTeX Error: Something's wrong--perhaps a missing \item. |
| 11:49.45 | unfo | krnl`-: try channel #mysql |
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| 11:50.14 | unfo | anyone recognize that error? |
| 11:50.14 | wah | unfo: it is: looking at what is possible and what not |
| 11:50.21 | unfo | wah: meh |
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| 11:50.34 | unfo | vmware is a very heavyweight solution. |
| 11:51.09 | vitry | qemu is free!! sorry; can alsa work on remote mode ? |
| 11:51.20 | unfo | wah: no distributed-like projects i know use it. |
| 11:51.26 | unfo | vitry: i know aRts can |
| 11:52.05 | vitry | unfo: and I can pipe arts to alsa? |
| 11:52.07 | unfo | damnsmalllinux-embedded uses qemu/win32, an image and a batch file. |
| 11:52.23 | quitte | my laptop just became unusable with VFS: max-file exceeded. what can i do so that wont happen again? |
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| 11:52.40 | unfo | vitry: many apps can do arts output |
| 11:53.02 | unfo | vitry: i dont know, i would assume you can pipe alsa to arts tho. |
| 11:53.02 | vitry | yes but I work with jack |
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| 11:53.11 | unfo | vitry: try channel #jack |
| 11:53.13 | vitry | ok unfo thanks |
| 11:53.28 | unfo | quitte: did you google for the message? |
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| 11:54.18 | unfo | wah: remember that. there is almost never a good reason to keep your idea secret. |
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| 11:54.48 | unfo | there only is sometimes a reason to keep your program based on your idea secret. |
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| 11:55.18 | vincent_ | hrm can anyone tell me how to bind screen to a different control key off the top of their head ? |
| 11:55.53 | unfo | vincent_: i use the key `. i do screen -e\`\ |
| 11:56.35 | unfo | vincent_: note: there is a space after the second backslash. |
| 11:56.42 | vincent_ | hrm ok |
| 11:56.49 | unfo | vincent_: that space means that ` then a space gives a literal `. |
| 11:57.22 | vincent_ | thx |
| 11:57.29 | unfo | vincent_: i do that because commands like vim ` which mozilla-bin` -N dont mind the extra spaces when i run them outside of screen. |
| 11:57.35 | unfo | np :) |
| 11:57.50 | vincent_ | tired of losing control a and e in my terminals =D |
| 11:58.13 | unfo | vincent_: me too. C-a is not the perfect default. I bet the inventors didnt use emacs or bash. :) |
| 11:58.22 | wah | unfo: i'm on your side that keeping an idea secret is almost never good. a secret encryption algorithm,... is never secure, security by obscurity doesn't work. sometimes, though, a project needs a little time before it gets public. |
| 11:58.30 | quitte | unfo: yes. i dont have the exact message in my head unfortunately and powering off was the only thing that i could do. then i booted in recovery mode and deleted a bunch of files. the things i find with google are all kernel source fragments or other not very helpful things |
| 11:59.01 | quitte | i have to increase the number of files that can be created on a filesystem somehow |
| 11:59.04 | unfo | wah: so dont announce it on a webpage then. just tell us your idea on irc. there are no public logs of #debian and you are anon, known only by a nick and an IP. are you worried someone will copy the idea???? |
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| 11:59.11 | xstasi | hi all |
| 11:59.21 | xstasi | is there any howto on how to set up initng on sid? |
| 11:59.46 | unfo | xstasi: you can find that out by google. |
| 12:00.08 | quitte | unfo: there are public logs |
| 12:00.10 | xstasi | googling debian initng howto doesn't return any howto, so I am asking here |
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| 12:00.38 | vincent_ | try 'debian initng' |
| 12:00.46 | unfo | quitte: really? oh. i didnt know. wah: fine, so ask in an unlogged channel. |
| 12:00.55 | unfo | wah: but really, who cares? |
| 12:01.09 | xstasi | i find package informations |
| 12:01.13 | unfo | what is the risk? would someone copy your idea? they can't judge you since youre just a nick. |
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| 12:01.45 | vincent_ | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=144831 |
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| 12:01.51 | vincent_ | for you xstasi |
| 12:02.02 | unfo | xstasi: initng debian -"debian package" |
| 12:02.11 | quitte | how can i increase the maximum number of inodes |
| 12:02.48 | wah | thanks all for your ideas |
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| 12:02.59 | vincent_ | quitte: look at /proc/sys/fs/file-max inode-nr etc |
| 12:03.02 | thirst | hi guys |
| 12:03.13 | unfo | wah: too bad you are not willing to share your idea. |
| 12:03.22 | unfo | i feel like my time was a bit wasted. |
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| 12:04.01 | unfo | ircleuser: hi, you might want to read www.irchelp.org on how to change your nickname and on getting started on irc. :) |
| 12:04.03 | quitte | vincent_: yes. that's it. if i increase it will that still be present after a reboot? |
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| 12:04.20 | wah | unfo: sorry for that |
| 12:04.44 | unfo | wah: dont worry, i was the one who kept buggin you. :) |
| 12:04.45 | vincent_ | quitte: no you'll have to set it in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 12:05.13 | unfo | wah: but note, you wasted your time too. |
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| 12:05.41 | vincent_ | wow this mix on xtcradio is amazing |
| 12:05.46 | quitte | vincent_: ok. uhm but how? just echoing a bigger number there doesnt work |
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| 12:05.52 | unfo | wah: secrecy always makes things take 2x or 10x the time, $, and effort. |
| 12:06.04 | thirst | our squid config. prevents us from downloading files > 15mb, so is there any config option in apt-get to download files>15mb in multiple fragments and combine in the hard disk |
| 12:06.25 | unfo | thirst: you need a debian cd-rom or dvd. |
| 12:06.32 | zam-aliphe | how to stop firwall ? |
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| 12:06.40 | vincent_ | thirst: tunnel through it |
| 12:06.51 | unfo | thirst: or get around it somehow. i don't know, check the wget manpage. |
| 12:07.23 | unfo | thirst: your workplace does not let you download the tools you need to get your work done and they wont change things?? :) |
| 12:07.23 | thirst | does apt-get use wget internally ? |
| 12:07.24 | salah | hi. how do I mount a usb disk? |
| 12:07.28 | unfo | thirst: no |
| 12:07.34 | unfo | salah: are you on KDE? |
| 12:07.40 | salah | unfo: no, im at gnome |
| 12:07.45 | unfo | dtj: welcome :) |
| 12:07.53 | unfo | salah: stick it in and see if it shows up on the desktop. |
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| 12:08.02 | salah | no, it don't |
| 12:08.04 | thirst | unfo: thanks lemme dig |
| 12:08.04 | pipeline | thirst: wget :P |
| 12:08.17 | unfo | salah: do you have *all* of gnome installed? |
| 12:08.36 | salah | unfo: no, only the core package, which package do I need to install? |
| 12:08.50 | vincent_ | hrm odd wtf this machine doesn't have apt-key installed |
| 12:09.48 | unfo | vincent_: so install it. :) its not part of base. |
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| 12:10.11 | vincent_ | yeah i just can't find what package it's in |
| 12:10.16 | vincent_ | bah ill use google |
| 12:10.17 | unfo | salah: you have gnome-core package installed? |
| 12:11.12 | salah | unfo: yes I have |
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| 12:12.05 | unfo | salah: i don't know. i would assume debian gnome would have that feature. maybe install kde instead :) |
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| 12:12.52 | unfo | do you have the space for installing kde-core? it's about 75MB. |
| 12:13.15 | unfo | salah: and you can have both kde and gnome installed no problem. |
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| 12:13.36 | salah | well I have 300 GB to use, the space isn't a problem, but I don't want KDE :) |
| 12:13.43 | unfo | salah: why not? :) |
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| 12:14.14 | unfo | it has more features than gnome, and features save you time. |
| 12:14.53 | Morden | How can I forward all emails in a folder (using Maildir) to another email address by cron? |
| 12:15.36 | unfo | Morden: by cron? why by cron? |
| 12:15.52 | Trewas | salah: gnome-volume-manager is probably the package which is responsible for mounting usb-disks automagically in gnome |
| 12:15.53 | thirst | where can i get the .config which is used to compile the linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 12:15.57 | f00li5h | Morden: why not just stick an alias in .forward? |
| 12:16.01 | Morden | unfo: because I just want to put all spams into one folder... |
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| 12:16.15 | unfo | Morden: you wrote "forward". |
| 12:16.16 | Morden | and then on an hourly base it will be forwarded |
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| 12:16.25 | salah | Trewas, that package is already installed :-) |
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| 12:16.41 | f00li5h | Morden: perhaps you can have <spam program> do it for you? |
| 12:16.47 | salah | unfo: I have been using KDE for a long time, I newly changed over to GNOME :) |
| 12:16.47 | Vme- | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 12:16.55 | Vme- | is there a way to stop this? |
| 12:17.01 | Vme- | i want to input my DNS manually |
| 12:17.05 | Morden | f00lish: it's IMAP so I want to do it on the server |
| 12:17.17 | f00li5h | Vme-: can't you just disable dhcpd? |
| 12:17.23 | vincent_ | Vme-: chmod 400 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:17.28 | f00li5h | Morden: what are you filtering spam with? |
| 12:17.30 | Vme- | i'm not running dhcpd |
| 12:17.31 | Trewas | salah: is it also running? I guess it should be if you have full gnome and are using it... |
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| 12:17.36 | Vme- | i have a static assigned |
| 12:17.38 | unfo | salah: why did you change? |
| 12:17.47 | f00li5h | Vme-: i realised tht was a silly assumption after i'd said it. |
| 12:18.01 | Morden | f00lish: I just want to drag and drop the spam that comes through into a "spam collect" folder where a cron will then forward it to my spamcop address |
| 12:18.17 | f00li5h | Morden: i see. |
| 12:18.18 | salah | Trewas: how do I start it? |
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| 12:18.25 | unfo | salah: as root, try /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart |
| 12:18.41 | salah | unfo: because I like the view of gnome better, and also the simplicity of it |
| 12:18.44 | f00li5h | Morden: you can try formail in a cron job |
| 12:18.52 | f00li5h | Morden: what mail program are you using? |
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| 12:19.00 | Vme- | why would changing the mode of the file fix it... |
| 12:19.09 | unfo | Vme-: makes it readonly |
| 12:19.13 | Morden | formail should be working... I have postfix |
| 12:19.15 | f00li5h | Vme-: cause noone could write to it |
| 12:19.23 | Vme- | ah |
| 12:19.25 | Vme- | ok |
| 12:19.35 | Vme- | i was thinking it was a root process that was changing it |
| 12:19.35 | f00li5h | Morden: well, you can just stick it in your crontab, and have it re-format the mail to go to the spam address... |
| 12:19.44 | salah | unfo, Trewas : Now I understand it, the kernel is to old for using gnome-volume-manager :) |
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| 12:19.55 | asg | Vme-: you can always remove the resolvconf package |
| 12:20.08 | unfo | salah: how did you find out? |
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| 12:20.15 | Morden | f00li5h: stick what into the crontab? |
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| 12:20.23 | MikePer | hello. I'm trying to install debain 3.1r0a sparc on a AXi third party sparc system. the partitioner shows the 2.3GB disk correctly if no partitons are defined but if I create a partiton like the 100MB /boot there are only 1.8MB free after. if I delete the 100MB partiton I get the 2.3GB back. is there a known bug? |
| 12:20.26 | Badman | hi everybody |
| 12:20.30 | Badman | i have ubuntu |
| 12:20.35 | unfo | salah: if youre using debian etch, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 12:20.36 | Morden | f00li5h: ups... formail ^^ |
| 12:20.38 | Badman | and i have a problem with X |
| 12:20.38 | f00li5h | Morden: there's no one liner... i'm not exacly sure of formails args |
| 12:20.41 | unfo | Badman: go to #ubuntu |
| 12:20.43 | bibe | Badman : go #ubuntu |
| 12:20.43 | asg | Badman: then you need to /join #ubuntu |
| 12:20.46 | unfo | Badman: or install Debian. |
| 12:20.47 | Badman | i was on it |
| 12:20.52 | visik7 | BadOxygen: good for you |
| 12:20.57 | visik7 | ops |
| 12:20.59 | visik7 | Badman: |
| 12:21.02 | Badman | but nobody can help me in there |
| 12:21.11 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 12:21.11 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:21.12 | salah | unfo: a45:/# /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart |
| 12:21.12 | salah | Hal requires a 2.6 kernel to work. Not started. |
| 12:21.13 | Morden | f00li5h: I'll look it up :) thx for pointing out formail for me... it's been a while since I last used it :) |
| 12:21.18 | Badman | i did an apt-get upgrade with debian repository |
| 12:21.23 | unfo | Badman: then you should use Debian. Debian users are more expert. :) |
| 12:21.29 | f00li5h | Morden: any time... |
| 12:21.38 | bibe | !beer unfo |
| 12:21.43 | EdLin | Badman: then you have neither Debian nor Ubuntu |
| 12:21.46 | unfo | bibe++ |
| 12:22.03 | Badman | so what i have EdLin ? |
| 12:22.15 | EdLin | Badman: a mess that we can't help you with |
| 12:22.16 | Ronin | Badman: a mess i suspect |
| 12:22.16 | Badman | neither linux i thought |
| 12:22.20 | unfo | Badman: you have a mess. |
| 12:22.36 | EdLin | GMTA |
| 12:22.37 | visik7 | Badman: u have mixed ubuntu and debian repo do you expect that something works ? |
| 12:22.38 | f00li5h | Badman: i'd say a bunch of broken packages |
| 12:22.41 | Badman | fatal IO error 104 |
| 12:22.45 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:22.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:22.56 | Ronin | ack, wife just discoverd skype, guess i know what i get to do when i get home |
| 12:22.57 | bibe | Badman : you have a linux kernel, probably packaged by ubuntu, and an unknown (and messy) bunch of packages |
| 12:23.10 | Badman | it must be this |
| 12:23.12 | unfo | Badman: would you like our help with installing Debian? |
| 12:23.18 | Badman | but what should i do? |
| 12:23.28 | EdLin | Badman: /j #ubuntu |
| 12:23.29 | unfo | Badman: reformat your hard drive. |
| 12:23.37 | Badman | i couldn't do a netinstall of debian |
| 12:23.44 | fireba11 | Badman: why ? |
| 12:23.46 | unfo | Badman: what happened when you tried? |
| 12:23.53 | Badman | i have sagem fast 800 |
| 12:23.58 | bibe | Badman : backup anything useful to you and install debian (ask here for that), or ubuntu (ask #ubuntu) |
| 12:23.59 | unfo | so? |
| 12:24.00 | Badman | and just one pc |
| 12:24.35 | Badman | can i get debian from an existing ditro? |
| 12:24.41 | unfo | Badman: no. |
| 12:24.41 | RvGaTe | im ****ing waiting for my lunch over 60min now .... |
| 12:24.45 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 12:24.50 | unfo | Badman: wait, what do you mean? |
| 12:24.56 | zamaliphe | how to open udp port for incoming concoction? |
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| 12:25.11 | unfo | zamaliphe: why? |
| 12:25.15 | Badman | now i have ubuntu (mixed with packages from debian) |
| 12:25.22 | Badman | and i want to have pure debian |
| 12:25.31 | tarzeau | !ubuntu2debian |
| 12:25.31 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu2debian is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 12:25.33 | Badman | sarge or sid |
| 12:25.48 | unfo | Badman: i bet ubuntu2debian wont help you anymore. |
| 12:25.53 | zamaliphe | unfo: i need to use amule and some other things ? |
| 12:25.55 | tarzeau | unfo: why? |
| 12:26.00 | unfo | zamaliphe: you have a firewall? |
| 12:26.07 | tarzeau | unfo: it gets rod of ubuntu and puts you to sid |
| 12:26.24 | tarzeau | Badman: can you download and run it? |
| 12:26.36 | unfo | tarzeau: just a hunch |
| 12:26.45 | js_ | where do i tell my system that i use grub and not lilo? for kernel packages to understand |
| 12:26.46 | Badman | download ubuntu2debian? |
| 12:27.00 | tarzeau | Badman: yes, the script is called uncurse |
| 12:27.01 | f00li5h | ubuntu2debian is a scary thing |
| 12:27.07 | tarzeau | EdLin: heh |
| 12:27.11 | tarzeau | f00li5h: just run it |
| 12:27.17 | unfo | f00li5h: i agree. |
| 12:27.19 | f00li5h | although i like : echo 'Yes, do as I say!' | apt-get --purge remove python.* -uy --force-yes |
| 12:27.20 | Badman | i must install lynx |
| 12:27.24 | unfo | haha |
| 12:27.30 | zamaliphe | unfo: i have Nat Connection |
| 12:27.33 | unfo | Badman: sudo apt-get install lynx |
| 12:27.34 | Badman | w3m is bad |
| 12:27.43 | f00li5h | tarzeau: no, i don't think i will. it's not that hard to start an install again |
| 12:27.44 | Badman | thx unfo |
| 12:27.44 | tarzeau | Badman: try links2 |
| 12:27.51 | unfo | zamaliphe: did you check your router's instruction manual? |
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| 12:28.03 | Badman | can i do the same for uncurse? |
| 12:28.09 | Badman | ok tarzeau |
| 12:28.10 | f00li5h | tarzeau: links2? a sequal? |
| 12:28.22 | tarzeau | f00li5h: of links yes, but much improved if you ask me |
| 12:28.33 | tarzeau | f00li5h: does graphical rendering in x, svgalib and fb |
| 12:28.47 | tarzeau | f00li5h: let's not forget javascript |
| 12:29.13 | unfo | Badman: sudo apt-get install wget && wget http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse && chmod +x uncurse && ./uncurse |
| 12:29.35 | zamaliphe | unfo: i have router with Nat Connection and i have open the port on in gust need to check debian firwall ? |
| 12:29.35 | tarzeau | unfo: you can drop the chmod +x and just do && sh ./uncurse |
| 12:29.36 | Badman | i can't do a copy paste unfo :( |
| 12:29.48 | unfo | Badman: sudo apt-get install wget && wget http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse && chmod +x uncurse && ./uncurse |
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| 12:30.13 | unfo | tarzeau: oops, youre right. |
| 12:30.22 | unfo | zamaliphe: what???? |
| 12:30.29 | tarzeau | unfo: or even? `lynx -dump http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
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| 12:31.12 | unfo | tarzeau: or `curl http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
| 12:31.48 | unfo | Badman: sudo apt-get install curl && `curl http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
| 12:32.10 | tarzeau | unfo: you'll need to be root to run it... |
| 12:32.18 | unfo | tarzeau: true |
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| 12:32.29 | Manager | Attention everybody. Did you know that "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are". |
| 12:32.31 | unfo | Badman: sudo apt-get install curl && sudo `curl http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
| 12:32.34 | js_ | ive updated from woody to sarge and want to use grub instead of lilo, which i have installed, but when i install a kernel-image package, the postscript doesnt run update-grub.. how can i tell my system that i have grub installed? |
| 12:32.39 | unfo | Manager: ubuntu sounds funny |
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| 12:32.42 | zamaliphe | unfo: i can understand my router but how to check the linux firwall |
| 12:32.45 | Manager | ty |
| 12:32.55 | yacoob | is anyone else gettting crc errors with repos from backports.org |
| 12:32.56 | yacoob | ? |
| 12:33.15 | unfo | zamaliphe: you have a linux firewall? what kind? |
| 12:33.21 | tarzeau | Manager: Did you know for anal sex you need alot of lubrication or it's not fun? |
| 12:34.12 | zamaliphe | unfo: i have no idea about it . how to check for it ?? |
| 12:34.20 | unfo | zamaliphe: then i doubt you have one. |
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| 12:34.40 | unfo | Badman: did it work? |
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| 12:34.55 | unfo | Badman: remember, it is not guaranteed. |
| 12:35.13 | zamaliphe | unfo: how to check if i have firwall or not ?? |
| 12:35.14 | Vme- | when i plugin my USB HD i see in dmesg everything seems to load, how do I mount that drive or does something in ETCH do it for me? |
| 12:35.15 | unfo | Badman: it is a simple script that may not work especially considering how messed up your PC is. |
| 12:35.35 | Badman | can u paste it again please |
| 12:35.35 | unfo | zamaliphe: mind if i port scan you? |
| 12:35.36 | unfo | Badman: sudo apt-get install curl && sudo `curl http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
| 12:35.41 | Badman | i type character by character |
| 12:35.42 | Badman | thx |
| 12:35.42 | Funkmaster | hey there,i have a problem with internet sharing, i got a adsl line with the modem, which has cable going to computer 1 eth0, internet works on that one also access to internal network over eth1 works fine, only i can't get internet to work on the internal network, set the gateway and dns, but i guess i'm doign sumthign wrong |
| 12:35.44 | Manager | Hey evry1; howz it goin? |
| 12:36.11 | Funkmaster | there r no internal firewalls or anything |
| 12:36.17 | zamaliphe | unfo: go ahead |
| 12:36.21 | Funkmaster | any1 has a suggestions? |
| 12:36.21 | Badman | syntax error |
| 12:36.25 | Badman | near to && |
| 12:36.40 | unfo | zamaliphe: /join #flood |
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| 12:37.42 | Funkmaster | do i need to do some routing or sumthing? |
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| 12:38.17 | petemc | Funkmaster: install ipmasq |
| 12:38.18 | xoz | Funkmaster: you need NAT. try using shorewall. it has a configuration for this typical setup |
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| 12:38.35 | Funkmaster | so i can't do without it? |
| 12:38.45 | unfo | zamaliphe: what ports are open on your router? |
| 12:38.52 | xoz | Funkmaster: and you have a firewall at the same time |
| 12:38.54 | unfo | UDP Scan Timing: About 7.04% done; ETC: 08:57 (0:22:28 remaining) |
| 12:39.07 | petemc | Funkmaster: you need something to do nat/masqerading, you can use whatever you want, iptables, ip.. |
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| 12:39.11 | Funkmaster | xoz: yes but i have a firewall already on my modem |
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| 12:39.42 | vincent_ | Funkmaster: put ip_forward=yes in /etc/network/options andiptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 12:39.48 | Vme- | basically i'm just not getting any /dev/sda devices?? Did I miss compiling something into my kernel? |
| 12:39.49 | unfo | Funkmaster: you can buy a router for $20 at a refurbished parts shop? |
| 12:39.52 | vincent_ | is the iptables rule you want |
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| 12:40.05 | Funkmaster | great thx guys :D |
| 12:40.11 | unfo | zamaliphe: what are you pasting me |
| 12:40.14 | unfo | Funkmaster: or |
| 12:40.17 | unfo | !freecycle |
| 12:40.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, freecycle is a set of mailing lists where you can give away things (including old hardware) for free or get things for free. get more info at freecycle.org. |
| 12:41.00 | zamaliphe | unfo: in flood |
| 12:41.02 | zamaliphe | the router open ports |
| 12:41.18 | zamaliphe | unfo: the router open ports |
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| 12:41.45 | unfo | zamaliphe: for outgoing to the world wide internet, or incoming? |
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| 12:42.41 | le_neko | hi ! |
| 12:42.48 | unfo | bonjour |
| 12:42.55 | le_neko | salut |
| 12:43.18 | Badman | i installed curl unfo |
| 12:43.25 | le_neko | is there a way to forbid a specific user to go in the parents folders from his home ? |
| 12:43.26 | Badman | now how to install uncurse? |
| 12:43.42 | bbrazil | le_neko: chroot, rbash |
| 12:43.43 | unfo | Badman: sudo `curl http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
| 12:43.44 | Badman | curl http://www.linuks.mine.nu/uncurse |
| 12:43.50 | Badman | ha ok |
| 12:44.01 | unfo | you must use backquotes. |
| 12:44.11 | Badman | ` it's alt gr + 7??? |
| 12:44.12 | unfo | they are near the number 1 on your full-size keyboard. |
| 12:44.24 | unfo | yes. |
| 12:44.38 | bbrazil | Badman: `xxx` = $(xxx) |
| 12:44.39 | Badman | ok |
| 12:44.49 | unfo | le_neko: why? |
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| 12:45.13 | le_neko | i have a little server |
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| 12:45.27 | le_neko | where people could put web pages |
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| 12:45.33 | Badman | ok bbrazil thx |
| 12:45.35 | le_neko | i want them connect via ssh |
| 12:45.42 | unfo | le_neko: not by ftp? |
| 12:45.48 | bbrazil | le_neko: scponly maybe? |
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| 12:46.07 | unfo | rssh - Restricted shell allowing only scp, sftp, cvs, rsync and/or rdist |
| 12:46.07 | unfo | scponly - Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users |
| 12:46.18 | le_neko | for put their stuff, but they don't have to browse the whole folder |
| 12:46.39 | blondie | unfo: why would you want to use ftp? |
| 12:46.48 | unfo | everyone has an ftp client. |
| 12:46.54 | kspath | le_neko: Some are hinting at the reality of allowing anyone direct access to your machines CLI is a security nightmare. |
| 12:46.56 | blondie | ftp is not secure |
| 12:47.10 | unfo | blondie: neither is email. so? |
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| 12:47.14 | bbrazil | blondie: ftps |
| 12:47.14 | blondie | the sooner it goes away for stuff like that, the better |
| 12:47.28 | Badman | url not found unfo |
| 12:47.30 | blondie | unfo: that doesn't involve sending passwords |
| 12:47.32 | unfo | blondie: true. but m$ft may never ship an ssh client. |
| 12:47.50 | blondie | who cares? not like you can't download one |
| 12:47.57 | kspath | blondie: You are aware that local exploits are common? |
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| 12:48.03 | zamaliphe | unfo: see this http://members.lycos.co.uk/zamaliphezam/speed_totch.png |
| 12:48.10 | unfo | Badman: ping 80.219.67.157 |
| 12:48.14 | unfo | what happens? |
| 12:48.20 | blondie | kspath: so? |
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| 12:48.38 | samrat | hi |
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| 12:49.06 | kspath | blondie: so, you might consider not allowing direct CLI access via ssh. |
| 12:49.11 | Badman | it ping unfo |
| 12:49.16 | blondie | kspath: you dont have to |
| 12:49.18 | le_neko | i give a try with rbash |
| 12:49.37 | kspath | blondie: That is what they were hinting at. |
| 12:49.38 | Badman | but for your url, no such file or directory |
| 12:50.13 | unfo | Badman: check for typos. |
| 12:50.16 | unfo | oops no |
| 12:50.18 | unfo | Badman: sudo ls |
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| 12:50.31 | blondie | kspath: no, just not using an unencrypted method of file transfer |
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| 12:50.41 | blondie | the users don't need to get shell access |
| 12:50.58 | tarzeau | !seen toresbe |
| 12:50.59 | dpkg | toresbe <i=tsb@developer.skolelinux.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 3h 23m 12s ago, saying: 'yeah, Knight_Lord I guess you're right'. |
| 12:51.19 | unfo | Badman: sudo uname |
| 12:51.20 | kspath | blondie: Did you not see what unfo mentioned? rssh scponly... ? |
| 12:51.35 | Badman | linux |
| 12:51.36 | blondie | I was referring to FTP |
| 12:51.45 | unfo | Badman: sudo curl |
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| 12:52.00 | blondie | 13:45:42 < unfo> le_neko: not by ftp? |
| 12:52.07 | blondie | that statement in particular |
| 12:52.18 | zamaliphe | unfo: then i guess it is router problem right ? |
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| 12:52.27 | simonrvn | webdavs: ;p |
| 12:52.42 | kspath | blondie: Most agree that plaintext authentication of ftp is silly. |
| 12:53.19 | kspath | blondie: I agree that I do not understand why ftp remains so popular. I think part of it is laziness and part of it is ignorance. |
| 12:53.26 | dorel_ | is anyone runing linux here on a laptop? |
| 12:53.27 | blondie | yes, that's likely |
| 12:53.29 | simonrvn | pretty much |
| 12:53.43 | unfo | zamaliphe: ah I just figured out what youre trying to do. gnutella2? |
| 12:53.47 | blondie | dorel_: no, not even those that are |
| 12:53.50 | dorel_ | i've got a laptop with those fn-keys and some are working, yet some are not. just wondering how can i get the non-functioning special keys runing. |
| 12:53.51 | simonrvn | @tell dorel_ about ask |
| 12:53.59 | vincent_ | dorel xmodmap |
| 12:54.11 | unfo | dorel_: what laptop? |
| 12:54.12 | dorel_ | simonrvn, you didnt even give me time to ask my question :) |
| 12:54.23 | dorel_ | i thought xmodmap is just for xfree |
| 12:54.43 | simonrvn | :) |
| 12:54.49 | asg | dorel_: check tuxmobile.org for your model to see if there is any info about getting th FN keys to work |
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| 12:55.16 | unfo | dorel_: what laptop? |
| 12:55.18 | elopes | alguem ai |
| 12:55.22 | elopes | brasil |
| 12:55.24 | asg | !br |
| 12:55.24 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 12:55.58 | Trewas | kspath: maybe it helps that there are much more (good) ftp-clients than sftp-clients, also non-encrypted passwords are not _that_ much of an issue in most networks |
| 12:56.10 | vincent_ | how do i fix this error, -m and -f haven't worked E: The package secpack needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." |
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| 12:56.52 | kspath | Trewas: "most"? |
| 12:57.19 | unfo | as long as they don't use that password for anything else... which they will :) |
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| 12:57.36 | Trewas | kspath: and it is much easier to set up a limited ftp-server (seeing only some directory etc) that sftp-server |
| 12:57.39 | vincent_ | lol dsniff made non-encrypted passwords a huge issue in any network |
| 12:57.51 | zam-aliphe | unfo: yes and other things like web server and ssh server |
| 12:57.58 | kspath | Trewas: "most networks"? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? |
| 12:58.02 | Trewas | kspath: "most" meaning for example commercial adsl-networks (where other customers can't sniff other's traffic) |
| 12:58.12 | dorel_ | unfo, acer aspire wxmi 5562 |
| 12:58.17 | zam-aliphe | unfo: it all didnet work |
| 12:58.26 | vincent_ | Trewas: huge assumption that traffic can't be sniffed |
| 12:58.30 | dorel_ | asg, i already searched that and linux-on-laptops :P |
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| 12:58.42 | unfo | zam-aliphe you didnt tell me gnutella2. |
| 12:58.46 | kspath | Trewas: I do not know if you have heard. Security is not that great. Wireless is quite popular especially among the ignorant and lazy. |
| 12:58.48 | dorel_ | asg, im the first to use this model with linux so im writing up my own howto to post there :) |
| 12:58.58 | unfo | zamaliphe: do a websearch for gnutella connection test. |
| 12:59.03 | dorel_ | i need just a bit of guidance since i know basically how to get going. |
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| 12:59.19 | zamaliphe | unfo: what about ssh |
| 12:59.33 | dorel_ | from what i read i need to get information from console/dmesg and when i press keys that arent recognized i should see some message about them and then set it up with the keycode im getting |
| 12:59.36 | Trewas | vincent_: I'm not exactly advocating the use of ftp, I'm just saying that there are few reasons why people still use it and that the lack of security is not that dismal shortcoming |
| 12:59.43 | dorel_ | the problem is that im not getting any messages about certain fn-keys |
| 12:59.52 | asg | simonrvn: last Thursday |
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| 13:00.09 | simonrvn | damn. missed it again. my timing just sucks sometimes |
| 13:00.13 | asg | dorel_: try using xev to see if they generate codes. |
| 13:00.27 | dorel_ | tried that, they dont |
| 13:00.30 | dorel_ | is that bad? :) |
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| 13:00.39 | kspath | simonrvn: Your life should revolved around #debian and all things Debian. |
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| 13:00.51 | kspath | s/revolved/revolve/ |
| 13:00.55 | MyWay | hi |
| 13:00.55 | roadfish | Have upgraded kernel (with linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 package). Am getting "no volume groups found" but don't have lvm installed. Why am I getting this lvm message? How can I fix this? |
| 13:01.01 | unfo | dorel_: google for acer aspire wxmi linux |
| 13:01.01 | asg | dorel_: generally it means you aren't likely to get them to work. |
| 13:01.10 | dorel_ | ahh damn |
| 13:01.12 | MyWay | after i do alsaconf i retrieve this: amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 13:01.17 | MyWay | why? |
| 13:01.18 | unfo | roadfish: does the computer work? |
| 13:01.19 | dorel_ | maybe i need to install a different keyboard driver or something like that no? |
| 13:01.24 | dorel_ | keyboard key map or whatever |
| 13:01.32 | simonrvn | kspath: my life revolves my family, drumming/singing, bikes, and computers. is that too much? ;p |
| 13:01.53 | kspath | simonrvn: cut it down to computers and Debian? |
| 13:01.56 | unfo | zamaliphe: did the test pass? |
| 13:01.59 | roadfish | unfo: have lilo installed and can boot into old 2.6.11 kernel with no difficulty. Am talking to you from 2.6.11 right now. |
| 13:02.00 | unfo | kspath: no |
| 13:02.01 | simonrvn | no |
| 13:02.04 | MyWay | after i do alsaconf i retrieve this: amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 13:02.04 | kspath | hehehe |
| 13:02.11 | MyWay | hi kspath |
| 13:02.18 | MyWay | can you help me? |
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| 13:02.40 | simonrvn | kspath: those are the current major interests. i have many other interests however |
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| 13:02.52 | simonrvn | @tell MyWay about ask |
| 13:02.58 | kspath | MyWay: I doubt it. I am mostly a sarcastic selfish git that is quite ignorant. |
| 13:02.59 | phaedrus444 | hi hi |
| 13:03.10 | MyWay | ok |
| 13:03.20 | streuner | kspath: cut it down to debian isn't not bad ;-) |
| 13:03.23 | MyWay | after i do alsaconf i retrieve this error: amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 13:03.27 | streuner | s/not/ / |
| 13:03.36 | MyWay | Someone know the reason and how to solve it? |
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| 13:03.39 | kspath | streuner: hehehe |
| 13:03.42 | unfo | MyWay: you should ask everyone whenever you ask a question. see www.irchelp.org for more tips, such as "always search Google before you ask anything on IRC" |
| 13:03.45 | unfo | :) |
| 13:03.56 | MyWay | unfo i did it |
| 13:04.00 | MyWay | but find nothing that can help me |
| 13:04.15 | unfo | MyWay: what did you try already, and what were the results of each try? |
| 13:04.17 | zamaliphe | unfo: yes |
| 13:04.21 | kspath | MyWay: Did you search mailing list archives? |
| 13:04.22 | unfo | zamaliphe: great! |
| 13:04.23 | MyWay | unfo searching on google |
| 13:04.29 | MyWay | no kspath |
| 13:04.45 | kspath | irc is so transient |
| 13:04.55 | unfo | MyWay: try to search for this instead: amixer: Mixer attach Invalid argument |
| 13:04.59 | phaedrus444 | anyone familiar with ndiswrapper help me? |
| 13:05.03 | MyWay | thx unfo i try it |
| 13:05.04 | unfo | !ndiswrapper |
| 13:05.04 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 13:05.10 | phaedrus444 | !ndiswrapper |
| 13:05.12 | phaedrus444 | thanks |
| 13:05.14 | zamaliphe | unfo: Success The TCP port 4662 is available. |
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| 13:05.51 | phaedrus444 | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 13:05.51 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 13:06.56 | unfo | zamaliphe: good so TCP 4662 works. |
| 13:07.03 | unfo | i am port scanning you again. |
| 13:07.04 | zamaliphe | unfo: yes |
| 13:07.08 | kspath | dpkg ignores me because I told it to forget cheese and milk |
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| 13:07.13 | unfo | you should start your gnutella program. |
| 13:07.22 | unfo | dpkg: forget ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 13:07.22 | dpkg | i forgot ndiswrapper one-liner, unfo |
| 13:07.25 | Chameleon_ | hi all |
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| 13:08.14 | Chameleon_ | i want to know the easyest way to learn debian and how to install things what do i do ? |
| 13:08.16 | phaedrus444 | i can install and modrpobe ndiswrapper |
| 13:08.34 | Ronin | Chameleon_: easiest way to learn it? install and run it |
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| 13:08.37 | kspath | Chameleon_: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:08.37 | phaedrus444 | but i dont know how to scan or find open networks once itsa installed |
| 13:08.43 | kspath | Chameleon_: /msg dpkg reference |
| 13:08.43 | asg | Chameleon_: there is plenty of user documentation at www.debian.org |
| 13:08.45 | unfo | dpkg: ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 13:08.46 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 13:08.46 | phaedrus444 | i do not have windows manager |
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| 13:08.55 | simonrvn | Chameleon_: start reading and doing what you read. think about what you're doing and reading. and, HAVE FUN ! :D |
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| 13:09.34 | simonrvn | it's a window manager. windows manager is a lamer |
| 13:09.38 | Chameleon_ | well the first thing i want to do is get my screen rez to 1024 instead of 800 |
| 13:09.39 | simonrvn | a windows* |
| 13:10.21 | unfo | roadfish: so then why do you care? IIRC its an ordinary unworrisome message. |
| 13:10.31 | simonrvn | beh, no one got my joke |
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| 13:10.45 | simonrvn | you people aren't fun anymore ;p |
| 13:10.49 | asg | simonrvn: yes we are |
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| 13:11.14 | kspath | simonrvn: I am funny looking. I defy you to say anything different. |
| 13:11.41 | unfo | zamaliphe: you seem to have open ports now but the ssh port 22 is still closed. |
| 13:11.46 | simonrvn | asg: sez who? kspath: couldn't say, haven't seen you yet ;p |
| 13:12.00 | asg | simonrvn: bob2 |
| 13:12.15 | simonrvn | hehe. where is that dude anyway? |
| 13:12.26 | asg | simonrvn: he got a gf and we haven't seen him since |
| 13:12.27 | streuner | cafuego said he's ok |
| 13:12.41 | zamaliphe | unfo: ok i dont know how to thank you |
| 13:12.49 | simonrvn | ok, cool. so he's ok then |
| 13:12.54 | unfo | zamaliphe: i didnt do much, i just ran nmap. but youre welcome. :) |
| 13:13.35 | unfo | zamaliphe: a tip: next time, say what youre trying to do (e.g. run sshd, webserver and gnutella2) and what doesnt work for faster help. |
| 13:13.53 | streuner | that was about 2 weeks ago |
| 13:14.06 | asg | ah, okay. Didn't know cafuego was still in contact |
| 13:14.37 | dorel_ | asg: mmm, if i do see some output from xev for other fn-key buttons which arent defined. how can i move forward with it and define them? |
| 13:14.41 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 13:14.50 | asg | dorel_: xbindkeys, linkead |
| 13:15.25 | asg | dorel_: forget that last one |
| 13:15.30 | dorel_ | right ok |
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| 13:16.29 | unfo | zamaliphe: are you registered? mind if i /msg you? |
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| 13:17.40 | zamaliphe | unfo: no at all |
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| 13:17.58 | dorel_ | asg: oh i see but xbindkeys is after i define a key... what about seeing what the Fn-Arrowkey is actually called? or something like that |
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| 13:18.20 | dorel_ | oh it has keycodes also, my bad sorry |
| 13:18.34 | woodland | hi, i have tuned the xserver to almost same resolution as in windows, but still the screen in debian doesnt look as refreshing as in win xp. is it because nvidia driver for debian is not very good ? |
| 13:18.41 | unfo | zamaliphe: nu? |
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| 13:19.15 | johnh_ | Hey guys |
| 13:19.21 | johnh_ | Anyone have any experiance getting a promise sx4000 to work? |
| 13:19.26 | woodland | can anybody answer my question |
| 13:19.34 | johnh_ | on 2.6 kernel |
| 13:19.45 | woodland | abrotman, are you there |
| 13:19.52 | MyWay | after i do alsaconf i retrieve this error: amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 13:20.07 | simonrvn | a) don't demand b) nvidia driver isn't debian's c) bug nvidia if you have issues with the code |
| 13:20.09 | MyWay | i have the via82xx sound card |
| 13:20.15 | vincent_ | MyWay: are you root ? |
| 13:20.22 | unfo | MyWay: did you read my advice about google before? |
| 13:20.26 | MyWay | yes vincent |
| 13:20.31 | MyWay | yes unfo |
| 13:20.34 | unfo | and? |
| 13:20.35 | MyWay | can't find anithing that can help |
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| 13:20.47 | Ronin | d) be patient after asking a question |
| 13:21.04 | woodland | simonrvn, ok , and me not demanding,, cool off |
| 13:21.18 | wombachi | woodland nvidia => contains proprietary stuff => problems. |
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| 13:21.44 | simonrvn | woodland: ok. just seemed that way. i don't see your face :/ |
| 13:21.45 | wombachi | woodland perhaps lower frequency? (check with xvidtune) |
| 13:21.58 | kspath | woodland: "cool off"? Why does everyone assume people are "hot" or "angry" or "nervous" or "upset"? That is silly. |
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| 13:22.14 | MyWay | how can i make alsa work? |
| 13:22.21 | woodland | wombachi, does that mean resolution in debian can never be as good as win xp |
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| 13:22.37 | woodland | kspath, take it easy |
| 13:22.39 | simonrvn | woodland: oh, and i wasn't upset or anything, in case you're wondering :) |
| 13:23.00 | kspath | woodland: Oh, I am "taking it easy". |
| 13:23.08 | wombachi | woodland no. |
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| 13:23.12 | woodland | kspath, ok |
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| 13:24.19 | dvdman_ | Anyone have any experiance getting a promise sx4000 to work in 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:24.25 | unfo | zamaliphe: sudo nmap 10.0.0.0/24 -A -p- |
| 13:24.28 | woodland | wombachi, so whats problem here. i have configured xserver as best as i could. i have installed nvidia driver but still screen quality is not as good as win xp |
| 13:24.34 | unfo | zamaliphe: and also: sudo nmap 10.0.0.0/24 -A -sU |
| 13:24.58 | unfo | woodland: not as good? in firefox? in vlc? in what? |
| 13:25.23 | woodland | unfo, i mean just overall resolution. |
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| 13:26.16 | unfo | woodland: you said "hi, i have tuned the xserver to almost same resolution as in windows" |
| 13:26.20 | unfo | "almost"? |
| 13:26.24 | tarzeau | !seen za |
| 13:26.25 | dpkg | za <~azta@adsl213-130-156-17.as15444.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 606d 23h 4m 7s ago, saying: ':)'. |
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| 13:26.39 | zamaliphe | unfo: is their is Chanel for scan nmap etc to learn moor |
| 13:26.45 | unfo | #security |
| 13:27.02 | woodland | unfo, i checked in win xp it wa 1024x768 @60 Hz. I set up to that in xserver. "same" |
| 13:27.30 | unfo | woodland: oh. what color depth? |
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| 13:27.36 | woodland | unfo, 24 |
| 13:28.08 | unfo | woodland: you need to describe "crisper" vs. "less crisp" better. are the fonts not antialiased or something? |
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| 13:28.39 | wombachi | woodland 60Hz is horrible on a CRT (hurt eyes quickly) |
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| 13:28.49 | zamaliphe | unfo: thanks |
| 13:29.01 | unfo | zamaliphe: welcome |
| 13:29.16 | woodland | unfo, ya, even the fonts are weird. some characters are displayed as boxes with numbers inside them |
| 13:29.23 | Tassium | wombachi: I guess you could say it mega-hurts? ;) |
| 13:29.24 | kspath | wombachi: Depends also on your monitor and lighting. |
| 13:29.26 | unfo | woodland: japanese characters? |
| 13:29.28 | woodland | wombachi, i have laptop |
| 13:29.52 | woodland | unfo, ya non english character, like japanese etc. |
| 13:30.12 | unfo | woodland: you need fonts then. |
| 13:30.17 | Funkmaster | did some1 get Xgl to work from freedesktop? it looks very interesting, in case some1 is interested there is a demo http://people.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi |
| 13:30.33 | woodland | wombachi, i cheked my win xp resolution by right clicking on screen and then going to settings |
| 13:30.34 | Farhad | my ISA modem auto found in debian, now i want to know where is modem driver? |
| 13:30.42 | unfo | Funkmaster: i do not care about cool effects personally. :) |
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| 13:30.52 | woodland | unfo, ok |
| 13:30.53 | unfo | woodland: so what did you mean about resolution is uncrisp?? |
| 13:30.56 | Badman | Funkmaster: do you understand in X? |
| 13:31.06 | Tassium | Farhad: Unless it's a winmodem, it doesn't require a special driver, just access it as a serial device |
| 13:31.09 | woodland | unfo, i would say so, |
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| 13:31.26 | unfo | woodland: do you mean non-antialiased? |
| 13:31.27 | Funkmaster | Badman: nope not much, n00b in that area, just wanted to know if some1 used this 1 b4 and if they had trouble with it.. |
| 13:31.33 | woodland | unfo, its not crystal clear like in win xp |
| 13:31.58 | woodland | unfo, what is non-antialiased |
| 13:32.09 | Badman | i have already installed xgl there is a while, but my X crash by the way, it was there are months ago |
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| 13:32.37 | Badman | unfo: can you try to help me to get debian from my ubuntu? |
| 13:32.38 | theorbtwo | Hello, all. A week or two ago, startx stopped working for me. I'm now upgraded to latest unstable in all relevant packages, and startx /still/ isn't working for me. I /do/ have a /etc/X11/Xsession file. Just plain /usr/bin/X does run. I do not have a ~/.xsession-errors file. |
| 13:32.50 | Badman | i don't know about uncurse |
| 13:33.08 | Badman | there is no repository containing uncurse? |
| 13:33.20 | Tassium | theorbtwo: Are you sure Xsession isn't a broken symlink? |
| 13:33.43 | kspath | woodland: Did you ever use WindowsNT or Windows95? |
| 13:33.48 | unfo | Badman: did you try what i said? |
| 13:33.55 | theorbtwo | Yes, it's a readable file. md5sum is a59626028cf3cd48c02689d585d388c9, if you've got a good one around to compare to. |
| 13:34.01 | unfo | woodland: http://keithp.com/~keithp/render/textcompare/ |
| 13:34.07 | woodland | one more question, i am putting some unstable sources in my sources.list ,, so when i install any package , does it get installed from stable or unstable sources. |
| 13:34.10 | woodland | kspath, yes |
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| 13:34.22 | woodland | unfo, ok |
| 13:34.32 | Badman | unfo: i can't scroll up |
| 13:34.39 | Badman | cuz i'm on irssi |
| 13:34.45 | kspath | woodland: They were "fuzzy" and "not crisp" do to lack of support for new technology/ideas/concepts. |
| 13:34.46 | unfo | Badman: use the pageup key. |
| 13:34.54 | kspath | s/do/due/ |
| 13:34.54 | Badman | great |
| 13:34.55 | Badman | thx |
| 13:35.24 | unfo | woodland: is that it? |
| 13:35.32 | woodland | unfo, i am thinking |
| 13:35.43 | kspath | woodland: Take your time. |
| 13:36.17 | woodland | unfo, eureka, its Anti-Aliased Text |
| 13:36.23 | Badman | sudo curl unfo ? |
| 13:36.32 | unfo | woodland: aha! you need anti-aliasing. |
| 13:36.34 | Badman | but it demands parameters |
| 13:36.36 | unfo | woodland: btw, do not use Debian unstable. |
| 13:36.46 | woodland | unfo, ok |
| 13:37.10 | woodland | unfo, i am deleting unstable stuff from sources.list then |
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| 13:37.17 | unfo | Badman: again: sudo curl `http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
| 13:37.22 | unfo | oops no |
| 13:37.26 | unfo | Badman: again: sudo `curl http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse` |
| 13:37.31 | Badman | ok |
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| 13:37.48 | kspath | Badman: apt-get install curl |
| 13:37.52 | Shadowcat | why are we discussing ubuntu in here? |
| 13:37.54 | unfo | woodland: how long was it there? did you install anything ever since you added it? |
| 13:38.04 | unfo | !tell Shadowcat about ubuntu2debian |
| 13:38.17 | woodland | unfo, i was planning to add it. it was not there |
| 13:38.19 | jesusch | where is a good place to add static routes that should be set while boot? |
| 13:38.27 | unfo | woodland: add what? |
| 13:38.31 | Shadowcat | unfo: ah ok |
| 13:38.39 | abrotman | woodland: yes .. why? |
| 13:38.39 | woodland | unfo, add unstable sources |
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| 13:38.55 | Badman | command not found unfo |
| 13:38.59 | abrotman | unfo: no .. it's not |
| 13:38.59 | unfo | woodland: it was not there? |
| 13:39.01 | woodland | abrotman, hi i had few questions which i am asking people here |
| 13:39.04 | kspath | unfo: I would prefer a clean Debian install. |
| 13:39.14 | abrotman | woodland: ah ok |
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| 13:39.16 | unfo | kspath: me too |
| 13:39.22 | woodland | unfo, i have only stable sources and unstable ones |
| 13:39.24 | Tassium | That way if something goes wrong, you know who to complain to. |
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| 13:39.47 | Badman | sudo: #!bin\sh: command not found unfo |
| 13:39.55 | theorbtwo | No other ideas on my X problem? I can continue to work around it, but would much rather know what's wrong. |
| 13:40.18 | Badman | me too i have troubles with my X theorbtwo after an upgrade |
| 13:40.19 | roadfish | My computer has an AMD CPU (Sempron 2300+). I did an upgrade to kernel-image-2.6.11 which gave me linux-image-2.6.15-1-686. Should I be using the 686 version? Or is linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 or linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 correct? |
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| 13:40.37 | unfo | Badman: sudo apt-get install wget && wget http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
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| 13:40.40 | woodland | unfo, i was reading something about java which said something about getting stuff from unstable sources, thats why i wanted to add 'unstable' to sources.list in the first place. |
| 13:40.50 | Badman | ok unfo |
| 13:41.12 | unfo | woodland: you added it and tried to install a package and it didnt work? |
| 13:41.31 | theorbtwo | Badman: are you also running current unstable? There were some issues like this a bit ago, but they're reported fixed now (apparently, incorrectly, at least in some cases). |
| 13:41.35 | unfo | roadfish: -k7 |
| 13:41.36 | woodland | unfo, i never added it. i first wanted to ask people here. |
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| 13:41.53 | theorbtwo | Badman: Do md5sums /etc/X11/Xsession, and tell me the result? |
| 13:41.57 | roadfish | unfo: thanks |
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| 13:42.13 | unfo | woodland: do not ever use unstable. use the instructions at www.backports.org instead if you need newer packages. |
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| 13:42.27 | woodland | unfo, ok |
| 13:42.33 | MikePer | roadfish: k7 schould work but you can just go and try it. if it's the wrong one you can always boot the old kernel and uninstall the one not working |
| 13:42.41 | unfo | -k7 is fine. |
| 13:42.49 | Badman | md5sums /etc/x11/Xsession |
| 13:42.53 | Badman | ?? |
| 13:43.06 | Funkmaster | hm i run sarge with self compiled kernel 2.6.16 when i try to use ip_tables, it tells me it's not there, is there sumthing else in 2.6? |
| 13:43.08 | Badman | unfo: it's saved, what after? |
| 13:43.15 | theorbtwo | Go to a prompt. Run that command. Copy and paste the result here. |
| 13:43.19 | Funkmaster | or should i just insmod |
| 13:43.23 | unfo | Badman: chmod +x ./uncurse |
| 13:43.28 | Tassium | Funkmaster: What EXACTLY are you typing in? |
| 13:43.31 | unfo | Badman: that makes it executable so you can run it |
| 13:43.34 | asg | Funkmaster: do you have the iptables package installed? |
| 13:43.35 | unfo | Badman: ./uncurse |
| 13:43.38 | unfo | Badman: that runs it. |
| 13:43.44 | tralala | Funkmaster: probably you didn't compile the packet filtering |
| 13:43.50 | unfo | oops i mean sudo ./uncurse |
| 13:43.51 | Funkmaster | ah yeah i should check that |
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| 13:43.54 | kspath | theorbtwo: /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:44.03 | tralala | Funkmaster: you can take an unofficial debian kernel from backports.org |
| 13:44.05 | woodland | unfo, here is very good sources.list http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=330913 |
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| 13:44.31 | theorbtwo | kspath: The result will be one line, of 43 bytes. I don't think a nopaste is neccessary. |
| 13:44.39 | unfo | woodland: no, it is very bad. |
| 13:44.44 | jesusch | where shall I place static routes the debian-way? |
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| 13:44.56 | Badman | ok that works with sudo ./uncurse unfo |
| 13:44.58 | Badman | thx |
| 13:44.59 | woodland | unfo, show me yours |
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| 13:45.19 | unfo | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 13:45.22 | unfo | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 13:45.29 | kspath | theorbtwo: "< theorbtwo> Go to a prompt. Run that command. Copy and paste the result here." |
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| 13:45.41 | woodland | unfo, just 2 lines ? |
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| 13:45.49 | unfo | woodland: yes. |
| 13:45.56 | phaedrus444 | aptitude rules |
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| 13:46.00 | unfo | woodland: plus source lines. you do not need them. |
| 13:46.04 | unfo | it was a mistake though. i did not know at the time i switched to testing that i should have been using backports. |
| 13:46.06 | woodland | phaedrus444, yes |
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| 13:46.14 | woodland | unfo, ok |
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| 13:46.22 | bnovc_ | how can i add a configure line to the debain package openssh? |
| 13:46.30 | unfo | bnovc_: what? |
| 13:46.56 | bnovc_ | unfo, i wish to add --use-login to openssh |
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| 13:47.01 | bnovc_ | i can't figure out how though |
| 13:47.03 | unfo | bnovc_: dunno |
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| 13:47.12 | Badman | 1fd6001d0.............. |
| 13:47.13 | bnovc_ | without installing a 2nd copy of ssh and moving the original |
| 13:47.18 | petemc | bnovc_: apt-get source ssh, edit, rebuild |
| 13:47.19 | Funkmaster | ok iptables is installed |
| 13:47.19 | Tassium | bnovc_: Isn't that something you can configure in sshd_config ? |
| 13:47.20 | bnovc_ | like i do with most things on debian since it wont let me configure it |
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| 13:47.22 | unfo | Badman: what? |
| 13:47.25 | dobbyX | can someone of you guys recommend me a good monitoring tool to see if daemons are running or discspace is running out etc ? |
| 13:47.25 | tralala | bnovc_: man ssh_config; man sshd_config |
| 13:47.27 | kspath | bnovc_: /etc/ssh/ ? |
| 13:47.35 | bnovc_ | Tassium: i do not think so, i'll go check though |
| 13:47.37 | unfo | woodland: the more unofficial packages you install the worse off you are |
| 13:47.38 | Badman | it's like this theorbtwo ? |
| 13:47.38 | Funkmaster | but when using it, it returns FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 13:47.43 | bnovc_ | fairly sure it requires a compile |
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| 13:47.48 | asg | dobbyX: nagios, munin, monit |
| 13:47.48 | theorbtwo | Badman: Nevermind. |
| 13:47.49 | woodland | unfo, ok |
| 13:47.51 | unfo | bnovc_: try what tralala said |
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| 13:47.57 | bnovc_ | i am |
| 13:48.04 | asg | dobbyX: there's a good article at howtoforge.com (a week or so ago) |
| 13:48.11 | dobbyX | asg thanks I'll go an google it |
| 13:48.14 | dobbyX | cool thanks |
| 13:48.14 | woodland | unfo, but pakages like opera are not there in official stable version |
| 13:48.21 | unfo | woodland: why do you need opera??? |
| 13:48.26 | asg | dobbyX: http://www.howtoforge.com/server_monitoring_monit_munin |
| 13:48.32 | ootput | coz opera is better than firefox |
| 13:48.34 | Funkmaster | is there a different module in 2.6 for iprtables? |
| 13:48.37 | bnovc_ | there are no useful occurances of login in sshd_config or the man page for it |
| 13:48.38 | ootput | ;) |
| 13:48.40 | woodland | unfo, just wanted to try it since i love it in win xp |
| 13:48.53 | unfo | woodland: try firefox, youll love it more. |
| 13:48.55 | iwilcox | Hi all. When a buildd rebuilds a package and releases a new binary-only upload, should "apt-get source foo" still be able to get the source? 'cause it isn't working for me, and I'm wondering whether it's a bug. |
| 13:49.05 | vincent_ | dobbyX: try monit for one machine, nagios for many |
| 13:49.06 | woodland | unfo, thats what i have now |
| 13:49.09 | tralala | Funkmaster: you have not compiled your kernel with packet filtering support. You won't get iptables working until you change that kernel. |
| 13:49.09 | unfo | iwilcox: could you paste your sources.list in #flood |
| 13:49.15 | kspath | bnovc_: Do some research about openssh. |
| 13:49.18 | unfo | woodland: and you dont like it? |
| 13:49.19 | ootput | unfo: firefox still feels heavy |
| 13:49.20 | Anthro | Is there anything that will turn a .torrent file into something readable without actually starting to retrieve anything? This is partly curiosity (I don't really know what information a torrent file includes) and partly troubleshooting (e.g. when I can't find any peers, is it because the tracker is down?). |
| 13:49.24 | Tassium | bnovc_: Sure there is. UseLogin |
| 13:49.24 | unfo | ootput: heavy?? |
| 13:49.25 | ootput | unfo: it's not as responsive as opera |
| 13:49.34 | unfo | ootput: proof? |
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| 13:49.42 | woodland | unfo, i like it, but just wanted to check opera in linux |
| 13:49.43 | MikePer | I have to agree with ootput |
| 13:49.43 | ootput | unfo: in the pudding |
| 13:49.47 | SerajewelKS | ootput: and opera doesn't? |
| 13:49.48 | Funkmaster | tralala: ah ok so i need to recompile with packet filtering, how is it called exactly? |
| 13:49.50 | tralala | !start a browser war |
| 13:49.50 | dpkg | Opera supports standards better than telnet hostname 80! |
| 13:49.51 | unfo | Anthro: try bittornado |
| 13:49.59 | ootput | SerajewelKS: it doesn't |
| 13:50.01 | Badman | i think it installs sid unfo |
| 13:50.03 | iwilcox | unfo: Pasted. |
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| 13:50.03 | Badman | great |
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| 13:50.18 | SerajewelKS | ootput: might want to put the weed down, friend |
| 13:50.22 | unfo | iwilcox: why are you using experimental? |
| 13:50.34 | Tassium | Funkmaster: Are you using a stock kernel? |
| 13:50.37 | ootput | SerajewelKS: or, like, get back into it, man |
| 13:50.37 | tralala | Funkmaster: no I think you need to take a compiled kernel from backports.org |
| 13:50.44 | unfo | iwilcox: what is the output of apt-get source util-linux |
| 13:50.45 | SerajewelKS | ootput: ;) |
| 13:50.46 | iwilcox | unfo: There was an amaroK release in there that I wanted. |
| 13:50.53 | unfo | iwilcox: sorry to hear. |
| 13:51.00 | unfo | :) just kidding |
| 13:51.02 | tralala | Tassium: he's not |
| 13:51.09 | wombachi | ootput firefox 1.5 is a memory hog if you use many tabs (134Mo right now here, 22 tabs) |
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| 13:51.24 | ootput | wombachi: that's nuts |
| 13:51.24 | Tassium | wombachi: There are some entries in about:config you can tweak to reduce that. |
| 13:51.29 | Anthro | unfo: I have bittornado installed, but I don't know how to use it to inspect a .torrent file. What command should I run (or look at the man page for)? |
| 13:51.29 | Funkmaster | Tassium: no, compiled it myself |
| 13:51.29 | bnovc_ | Tassium: UseLogin /file/for/login ? |
| 13:51.31 | iwilcox | unfo: I can grab most package sources just fine. apt-get source util-linux works great. |
| 13:51.32 | unfo | wombachi: it uses the memory for caching for a better browsing experience. |
| 13:51.43 | iwilcox | unfo: Problem is this one package that's been rebuilt by the buildd. |
| 13:51.45 | unfo | Anthro: man btdownloadheadless |
| 13:51.54 | iwilcox | unfo: The package being karm. |
| 13:51.58 | unfo | iwilcox: wait a day maybe? |
| 13:52.05 | wombachi | unfo I know, but I nearly never uses "Back", so 1.5 worsen the experience for me |
| 13:52.07 | ootput | unfo: at the expense of the entire system :) |
| 13:52.08 | kspath | wombachi: No offence but what are you doing with 22 tabs? |
| 13:52.11 | iwilcox | unfo: Have waited several. I don't think it's an out-of-date thing. |
| 13:52.14 | woodland | unfo, so if i had both stable and unstable sources in sources.list , when i install some package, which one gets installed by default. stable or unstable ? |
| 13:52.20 | Trewas | wombachi: and even more annoying is that firefox never releases images from the X's memory (which can be checked with xrestop) |
| 13:52.23 | unfo | wombachi: so use Preferential to reduce the RAM cache? size. |
| 13:52.24 | wombachi | kspath looking for technical infos mainly |
| 13:52.36 | Anthro | unfo: btdownloadheadless starts downloading, it doesn't just inspect the file. |
| 13:52.40 | unfo | iwilcox: what is the output of apt-get source? |
| 13:52.42 | unfo | Anthro: man btdownloadheadless |
| 13:52.45 | unfo | Anthro: man |
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| 13:52.47 | Tassium | That's only ~6 megs per tab, not that heavy |
| 13:52.50 | MyWay | someone can help me making working my soundcard via82xx? |
| 13:52.58 | wombachi | unfo yes, I should play with about:config to reduce that |
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| 13:53.01 | unfo | woodland: if you use backports it wont matter. |
| 13:53.11 | phaedrus444 | what is the command to un tar? |
| 13:53.19 | unfo | wombachi: no, use Preferential. http://preferential.mozdev.org |
| 13:53.23 | unfo | phaedrus444: tar xzfv |
| 13:53.24 | bwbettin | tar -xzvf |
| 13:53.27 | MyWay | someone can help me making working my soundcard via82xx? |
| 13:53.33 | unfo | MyWay: no |
| 13:53.34 | red_wolf | i try to upgrade login in testing from 4.0.15-6 to 4.0.15-7. it fails. |
| 13:53.35 | red_wolf | Preparing to replace login 1:4.0.15-6 (using .../login_1%3a4.0.15-7_i386.deb) ... |
| 13:53.35 | red_wolf | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: Permission denied |
| 13:53.35 | red_wolf | please help me. |
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| 13:53.35 | abrotman | ask again .. noone saw you |
| 13:53.38 | abrotman | !sound |
| 13:53.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 13:53.39 | ootput | MyWay: not the best chan for it |
| 13:53.43 | unfo | MyWay: :) |
| 13:53.43 | MyWay | hi abrotman |
| 13:53.44 | abrotman | !tell MyWay about audio |
| 13:53.53 | abrotman | !tell MyWay about alsa one-liner |
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| 13:54.11 | iwilcox | unfo: OK, well, if you feel you must treat me like an idiot, I'll comply :) Pasted it in #flood :) |
| 13:54.11 | wombachi | unfo I dont use many extensions, but thanks for the tip |
| 13:54.12 | woodland | unfo, no but what if i dont have backports and just have both stable and unstable sources in my list |
| 13:54.15 | MyWay | abrotman: i have a kernel for k8 |
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| 13:54.17 | MyWay | is this the problem? |
| 13:54.20 | Anthro | unfo: It refers me to bittorrent-downloader, which has numerous options, none of which seem to just inspect the file. |
| 13:54.22 | kspath | MyWay: You are asking too often. Please wait at least a few minutes before asking the question again. |
| 13:54.30 | abrotman | MyWay: read what dpkg told you |
| 13:54.33 | MyWay | kspath it's 1 hour im waiting! |
| 13:54.37 | ootput | MyWay: no, sound related |
| 13:54.39 | MyWay | i read it abrotman |
| 13:54.43 | bnovc_ | Tassium: are you sure you can do UseLogin /file/name ? |
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| 13:54.49 | ootput | MyWay: which distro do you use? |
| 13:54.50 | unfo | MyWay: then you should try the debian-user mailing list instead. |
| 13:54.52 | iwilcox | unfo: But in exchange, try this for me, and paste *your* output: "apt-get source karm" |
| 13:54.57 | MyWay | but after i do alsaconf i retrieve this: amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 13:55.00 | Tassium | bnovc_: I'm sure you cannot. Check the manpage for sshd_config and read what UseLogin does |
| 13:55.02 | MyWay | ootput: debian |
| 13:55.15 | bnovc_ | Tassium: yes i did, and that's why i don't believe your suggestion |
| 13:55.26 | abrotman | MyWay: then do what dpkg said .. |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | !tell MyWay about alsa one-liner |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | that one ... |
| 13:55.32 | unfo | iwilcox: ok i will. no i meant paste the output of apt-get source karm |
| 13:55.34 | wombachi | Is 2.6.11 the latest "safe" (vanilla) kernel on Sarge? Seems 2.6.12+ causes headaches (udev/lvm etc) |
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| 13:55.45 | unfo | wombachi: 2.6.15 works ok for me |
| 13:55.46 | MyWay | abrotman: i can't |
| 13:55.49 | MyWay | alsamixer wont start! |
| 13:56.01 | MyWay | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument |
| 13:56.01 | unfo | wombachi: i use testing due to a sad mistake tho. |
| 13:56.02 | iwilcox | unfo: Pasted. |
| 13:56.04 | ootput | MyWay: have you googled for a "Debian via82 alsa" solution? |
| 13:56.08 | MyWay | yes |
| 13:56.18 | ootput | MyWay: that chipset is pretty common |
| 13:56.18 | MyWay | but can't find a solution |
| 13:56.21 | abrotman | is alsa-base installed? |
| 13:56.24 | MyWay | yes |
| 13:56.27 | abrotman | or alsa-utils ? |
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| 13:56.27 | MyWay | alsa-utils also |
| 13:56.34 | unfo | iwilcox: out of disk space. |
| 13:56.35 | abrotman | and did you run alsaconf ? |
| 13:56.38 | MyWay | yes |
| 13:56.44 | MyWay | and after alsaconf i retrieved that error |
| 13:56.44 | abrotman | and what did alsaconf say? |
| 13:56.45 | jetscreamer | you may need the high preformance rtc instead of the generid rtc module, in the kernel, MyWay |
| 13:56.49 | tralala | MyWay: check if you have the oss driver loaded. If you do unload it first and then (re)load the alsa driver. |
| 13:56.51 | jetscreamer | not sure if that applies |
| 13:56.51 | MyWay | amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 13:56.57 | iwilcox | unfo: Huh? |
| 13:57.10 | jetscreamer | s/generid/generic/ |
| 13:57.11 | MyWay | amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 13:57.12 | MyWay | /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: set_controls:1119: snd_ctl_open error: Invalid argument'. done. |
| 13:57.12 | MyWay | Setting default volumes... |
| 13:57.15 | MyWay | this is the last part |
| 13:57.22 | MyWay | of the alsaconf |
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| 13:57.27 | MyWay | tralala: how? |
| 13:57.34 | red_wolf | hi. i try to upgrade the login package in testing from 4.0.15-6 to 4.0.15-7. but get the following error: |
| 13:57.39 | red_wolf | Preparing to replace login 1:4.0.15-6 (using .../login_1%3a4.0.15-7_i386.deb) ... |
| 13:57.41 | unfo | iwilcox: this is not my main machine. i am out of disk space. |
| 13:57.44 | unfo | it didnt work. |
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| 13:57.55 | red_wolf | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/login_1%3a4.0.15-7_i386.deb (--unpack) |
| 13:57.58 | iwilcox | unfo: Ah. OK. So, anyway, my karm binary package is "4:3.5.2-1+b2", but the latest available source is "4:3.5.2-1". This is because: "kdepim (4:3.5.2-1+b2) unstable; urgency=low...* Binary-only non-maintainer upload for i386; no source changes." |
| 13:58.06 | jetscreamer | !tell red_wolf -about paste |
| 13:58.09 | ootput | MyWay: oh shit, this is #debian, thought it was emacs |
| 13:58.16 | ootput | MyWay: sorry for trying to send you elsewhere |
| 13:58.16 | abrotman | red_wolf: check the bts ? |
| 13:58.25 | MyWay | ah |
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| 13:58.32 | unfo | iwilcox: fine, try apt-get source karm=4:3.5.2-1 |
| 13:58.37 | Tassium | ootput: emacs THINKS it's an operating system, so you were close ;) |
| 13:58.44 | ootput | Tassium: gr |
| 13:58.56 | iwilcox | unfo: But shouldn't the repository and/or dpkg deal with this on my behalf somehow? |
| 13:58.59 | kspath | Tassium: zing! |
| 13:59.02 | unfo | red_wolf: testing is unsupported. use stable or backports next time you reinstall |
| 13:59.09 | MyWay | nobody knows why i have this error? |
| 13:59.11 | red_wolf | abrotman: i checked this morning, find nothing. |
| 13:59.29 | unfo | iwilcox: it should. it may be an unimplemented feature. if so, send a mail to submit@bugs.debian.org |
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| 13:59.33 | wombachi | How can I use a 2.6.15+ (custom) kernel on Sarge? Is it possible? Perhaps with some backports (udev, others)? |
| 13:59.37 | iwilcox | unfo: That command fails in the same way :( |
| 13:59.43 | unfo | wombachi: sounds reasonable |
| 13:59.45 | iwilcox | unfo: "Unable to find a source package for karm" |
| 13:59.55 | tralala | MyWay: first find the oss module name with google. Then see if it is loaded with lsmod. |
| 14:00.14 | MyWay | snd_pcm_oss 56680 0 |
| 14:00.14 | MyWay | snd_mixer_oss 19520 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 14:00.14 | MyWay | snd_pcm 100876 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm_oss |
| 14:00.14 | wombachi | unfo I read that 2.6.15 needs udev >= 072 (sarge: 056, testing: 091) |
| 14:00.17 | unfo | iwilcox: apt-get source karm alone says what again? |
| 14:00.19 | MyWay | i have this loaded |
| 14:00.20 | red_wolf | unfo: it's sad to hear this message. |
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| 14:00.40 | unfo | wombachi: so get a backport of udev too. you may need to remove more packages to install it tho. |
| 14:00.41 | Manager | i like good head |
| 14:00.45 | iwilcox | unfo: "apt-get source karm" says "E: Unable to find a source package for karm" |
| 14:01.04 | ootput | Manager: heard that |
| 14:01.08 | unfo | Manager: why are you being vulgar? |
| 14:01.19 | Manager | unfo - mental health problems (for real) |
| 14:01.28 | unfo | Manager: ADD? |
| 14:01.30 | MyWay | tralala: i unloaded them all, now? |
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| 14:01.45 | Manager | yes, compulsive obsessive too |
| 14:01.48 | ootput | MyWay: alsaconf again, i suppose |
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| 14:01.52 | iwilcox | unfo: No, I lie... |
| 14:01.58 | Shadowcat | !tell Manager about tmi |
| 14:02.00 | unfo | Manager: i have ADD too. try ritalin. |
| 14:02.12 | MyWay | ootput: always the same error |
| 14:02.13 | abrotman | Manager: are you broken? |
| 14:02.20 | iwilcox | unfo: With a version, complains about no source for karm. Without a version, complains about no source for kdepim. |
| 14:02.26 | Manager | yes I am abrotman |
| 14:02.27 | ootput | Alice was broken |
| 14:02.33 | Manager | I need counselling but can't afford it |
| 14:02.34 | abrotman | Manager: who owns you? |
| 14:02.38 | wombachi | unfo remove more packages? Do you know other backported packages I could need to avoid kernel problems? |
| 14:02.39 | unfo | iwilcox: source kdepim? |
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| 14:02.52 | Manager | abrotman - i don't know |
| 14:02.57 | ootput | MyWay: hm |
| 14:03.05 | iwilcox | unfo: Thing is, kdepim is actually also a binary package :) |
| 14:03.09 | MyWay | :( |
| 14:03.13 | ootput | MyWay: are these modules compiled with the kernel? |
| 14:03.13 | MyWay | it will never work |
| 14:03.13 | kspath | Manager: dpkg? |
| 14:03.21 | ootput | MyWay: or were they provided with some package? |
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| 14:03.22 | iwilcox | unfo: I think it exists just to depend on all the real binary packages. |
| 14:03.25 | abrotman | he's not a bot .. just a troll |
| 14:03.26 | MyWay | ootput: i didn't touched anything since installed |
| 14:03.30 | unfo | Manager: there are always ways to get counselling for cheap. in the USA, try to find out about therapists with sliding scale fees. in canada, go to a psychiatrist if you can... its free. |
| 14:03.36 | Manager | kspath... you seem to think I'm a bot... abrotman is only doing this for a reason |
| 14:03.43 | abrotman | see |
| 14:03.45 | Manager | unfo - I am in the UK tho |
| 14:03.51 | unfo | Manager: nhs? |
| 14:04.06 | woodland | does anybody know any good source to add in sources.list for linux games |
| 14:04.16 | Manager | the nhs is no good for that kind of thing |
| 14:04.17 | unfo | woodland: what game? |
| 14:04.19 | FromTO | I am having a problem with a2ps . I configured it to medium letter (which is what it should be) but the left page is always cut off. searched google with no luck anyone can help is very appreciated |
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| 14:04.35 | ubanana | aloha |
| 14:04.35 | ootput | woodland: dukenukem mods? |
| 14:04.36 | Manager | I have no friends to discuss my mental health problem with |
| 14:04.36 | unfo | Manager: and there arent therapists *anywhere* in the UK who charge a sliding scale? |
| 14:04.45 | woodland | unfo, some real time strategy game, |
| 14:04.52 | unfo | Manager: you can get virtual friends on IRC. |
| 14:04.57 | MyWay | Someone can help me with my soundcard via82xx and alsa? |
| 14:05.00 | abrotman | Manager: this is not a social channel .. please go play elsewhere |
| 14:05.01 | Badman | unfo: can i stop uncurse and continue after? |
| 14:05.07 | Manager | unfo - most of the therapists here don't actually help with anything |
| 14:05.10 | unfo | Badman: try not to. |
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| 14:05.18 | hedpe | no one in #lvm seems to be responding, so i'll ask here... in fdisk i have a /dev/sda5 which is a Linux LVM ... in fstab i have /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 .... if /dev/sda were all the sudden to be renamed to /dev/hda, would everything break and need re-created? |
| 14:05.22 | unfo | Manager: so try another? |
| 14:05.43 | woodland | Manager, hi tell me |
| 14:05.52 | unfo | MyWay: ask your actual question. if you dont ppl will get annoyed and kick you. |
| 14:05.55 | wombachi | hedpe nope, read the lvm howto: lvm uses uuid, not dev name |
| 14:05.59 | Manager | unfo, my problems stem from low self-esteem. i would really appreciate any suggestions people have to help raise my self esteem/confidence. i thought about karate lessons but they are expensive. |
| 14:06.08 | MyWay | unfo i asked it.. |
| 14:06.08 | unfo | Manager: what are you good at? |
| 14:06.15 | MyWay | i have the same error of 1 hour ago |
| 14:06.17 | ootput | MyWay: put all of it togeehter |
| 14:06.21 | MyWay | if you want i repeat it |
| 14:06.22 | unfo | MyWay: so tell the error instead/ |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | Manager: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 14:06.25 | ootput | MyWay: ask it all at once, and include your attempts |
| 14:06.28 | kspath | Manager: Exercise. Go out and run. Do not stop. |
| 14:06.34 | woodland | Manager, tell me |
| 14:06.38 | Manager | unfo, I am good at practical/hands on things |
| 14:06.39 | abrotman | woodland: STOP |
| 14:06.41 | MyWay | after i do alsaconf, i retrieve this error |
| 14:06.41 | MyWay | Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 14:06.41 | Manager | tell you what woodland? |
| 14:06.41 | MyWay | amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 14:06.43 | wombachi | hedpe http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/lvm2faq.html#AEN356 |
| 14:06.44 | unfo | woodland: Manager: maybe this should move to #debian-offtopic |
| 14:06.48 | abrotman | unfo: no |
| 14:06.50 | MikePer | kspath: :) |
| 14:06.51 | hedpe | wombachi: thanks |
| 14:06.57 | unfo | abrotman: why not? |
| 14:07.01 | MyWay | i tried unloading modules as tralala said but it's the same |
| 14:07.08 | woodland | Manager, ok we can chat but not here. |
| 14:07.08 | abrotman | unfo: because i don't want a troll in there either |
| 14:07.18 | unfo | abrotman: are you sure hes a troll? |
| 14:07.24 | abrotman | unfo: what do you think? |
| 14:07.26 | Manager | woodland, can we talk in debian-offtopic please? |
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| 14:07.33 | woodland | ok |
| 14:07.38 | Manager | unfo - I can assure you I'm not a troll |
| 14:07.45 | unfo | abrotman: he was trolling but are you saying the last bit was a lie? |
| 14:07.53 | abrotman | i'm saying .. i don't care .. |
| 14:07.59 | unfo | abrotman: so /ignore. |
| 14:08.02 | woodland | Manager, come there man |
| 14:08.22 | MyWay | alsa or OSS or what is it it's the same |
| 14:08.32 | unfo | alsa is better. |
| 14:08.44 | MyWay | i'd like to listen something |
| 14:08.46 | hedpe | wombachi: the oddest thing is happening, in 2.6.9 my hard drive shows up as /dev/sda, but i am trying to boot 2.4.32 and i see "hda: <my volume info>" which is the exact same volume that is /dev/sda in 2.6.9, and then i can't mount my root in 2.4.32, i see "VFS: Cannot open root device 'VolGroup00/LogVol00' or 00:00" |
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| 14:08.52 | ootput | MyWay: OSS is deprecated - for legacy purposes only nowadays |
| 14:09.05 | ootput | MyWay: try using alsaplayer |
| 14:09.06 | MyWay | the bar with OSS and xmms move |
| 14:09.08 | MyWay | with alsa no! |
| 14:09.15 | wombachi | hedpe ATA disks were hda in 2.4 and sda in 2.6 iirc |
| 14:09.23 | wombachi | hedpe s/ATA/SATA/ |
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| 14:09.38 | hedpe | wombachi: i see, but shouldn't the LVM partition still work according to you though? |
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| 14:10.10 | unfo | iwilcox: the best RTS for linux is wesnoth. it also has a good tutorial. theres also freecraft but ive never tried it. |
| 14:10.10 | MyWay | with alsaplayer the bar move |
| 14:10.14 | MyWay | but i can't listen anything |
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| 14:10.22 | boyracerr | would appreciate help with an apt-get dependencies problem |
| 14:10.27 | ootput | MyWay: that's a good indication |
| 14:10.32 | ootput | MyWay: if it moves |
| 14:10.38 | wombachi | hedpe root on lvm in not always easy. perhaps an initrd problem? |
| 14:10.45 | MyWay | hm what can i do ootput? |
| 14:10.46 | ootput | MyWay: alsamixer gives you jack? |
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| 14:10.47 | boyracerr | trying to install php4-odbc |
| 14:10.55 | MyWay | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument |
| 14:10.58 | boyracerr | fails due to a dependency on the zend virtual package |
| 14:11.07 | boyracerr | which is provided by php4 |
| 14:11.10 | boyracerr | which is on the server |
| 14:11.22 | boyracerr | should I just force? |
| 14:11.29 | ootput | MyWay: do you have an /etc/modprobe.d/sound ? |
| 14:11.33 | phaedrus444 | this is fun |
| 14:11.34 | hedpe | wombachi: it may be, when i boot 2.6.9 it says "Scanning logical volumes ..." and finds the LVM partition, i never get the "Scanning logical volumes" when booting 2.4.32 |
| 14:11.36 | MyWay | i go check it |
| 14:11.37 | unfo | oops. woodland: the best RTS for linux is wesnoth. it also has a good tutorial. theres also freecraft but ive never tried it. |
| 14:11.45 | hedpe | which is vgscan |
| 14:11.46 | ootput | MyWay: and is your user in 'audio' group? |
| 14:11.46 | woodland | unfo, ok |
| 14:11.56 | abrotman | woodland: it's not personal .. but they general consensus didn't seem to want it |
| 14:11.58 | MyWay | yes i have it ootput |
| 14:11.58 | woodland | unfo, i am counseling manager |
| 14:12.02 | MyWay | yes i'm in the audio group |
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| 14:12.24 | abrotman | ok .. then you can all go to #managerneedshelp .. it's not related to Debian .. at all |
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| 14:12.38 | wombachi | hedpe 2.4 uses lvm1, 2.6 can use dev-mapper (lvm2). Perhaps you use lvm2? |
| 14:12.48 | ootput | MyWay: ok |
| 14:13.01 | ootput | MyWay: this is mine: http://pastebin.com/722419 |
| 14:13.14 | wombachi | hedpe in lvm1 (2.4), the partition type must be 0x8e iirc (no problem with lvm2) |
| 14:13.20 | ootput | MyWay: you probably already have the oss section |
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| 14:13.40 | ootput | MyWay: ( alias .. *-oss) |
| 14:13.43 | wombachi | hedpe http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/initdisks.html |
| 14:13.46 | hedpe | wombachi: yeah when booting 2.6 it loads a bunch of dev-mapper stuff... it is of type 0x8e so i think we're ok there |
| 14:13.47 | unfo | woodland: really? where? |
| 14:13.48 | MyWay | ootput: what i have to do with it? |
| 14:13.57 | MyWay | modify my sound? |
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| 14:13.58 | ootput | MyWay: compare it with yours |
| 14:14.02 | MyWay | ok |
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| 14:14.08 | woodland | unfo, its secret ,lol |
| 14:14.13 | wombachi | hedpe no devmapper thing in vanilla 2.4 kernel (so only lvm1, not lvm2) |
| 14:14.18 | MyWay | alias snd-card-0 snd-via82xx |
| 14:14.18 | MyWay | options snd-via82xx index=0 |
| 14:14.21 | ootput | MyWay: what is yours, btw? pastebin it |
| 14:14.21 | MyWay | mine is only this |
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| 14:14.36 | abrotman | woodland: i'm sorry .. please don't take it personally .. but they'll just kill you guys in there |
| 14:14.42 | tas-- | msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 14:14.42 | ootput | MyWay: one moment |
| 14:14.46 | MyWay | ok |
| 14:14.56 | woodland | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.58 | poeye2333 | has anyone experienced scp timing out on a box before? sometimes it works fine, but occasionally when tranfsering files to and from this box after the inital password prompt it hangs at debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 |
| 14:14.58 | poeye2333 | , then just times out.. ssh works fine throughout? really stuck with this |
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| 14:15.24 | unfo | woodland: i mean at what kind of place |
| 14:15.31 | hedpe | wombachi: that guide you gave me, isn't it already initialized if it boots in 2.6? |
| 14:15.35 | ootput | MyWay: make a backup of that file, and use this one instead http://pastebin.com/722421 |
| 14:15.42 | MyWay | ok |
| 14:15.45 | woodland | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.49 | ootput | MyWay: oh wait |
| 14:16.06 | ootput | MyWay: one error: line 16 should have snd-via82xx instead of ice1724 |
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| 14:16.13 | unfo | woodland: Manager how does ##support sound |
| 14:16.27 | Manager | I am in there now |
| 14:16.38 | woodland | unfo, we have some private channel |
| 14:16.41 | wombachi | hedpe I dont understand your question (I'm not native speaker). But reading the LVM can probably help you, yes |
| 14:16.48 | unfo | woodland: private channel? why? |
| 14:16.50 | wombachi | hedpe LVM Howto |
| 14:16.57 | woodland | unfo, wait |
| 14:16.58 | abrotman | woodland: unfo: Manager: thank you |
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| 14:17.02 | phaedrus444 | when i type iwconfig wlan0 essid ESSID all i get is this character > and no prompt # |
| 14:17.03 | unfo | abrotman: np |
| 14:17.04 | MyWay | ok ootput, now? |
| 14:17.11 | MyWay | i need reload it? |
| 14:17.12 | phaedrus444 | what should i do? |
| 14:17.17 | ootput | MyWay: did you make that ammendment? |
| 14:17.18 | SerajewelKS | poeye2333: how big is the file you're transferring |
| 14:17.21 | MyWay | yes |
| 14:17.32 | ootput | MyWay: yeah /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 14:17.33 | unfo | phaedrus444: a demo |
| 14:17.36 | unfo | phaedrus444: type: ' |
| 14:17.38 | hedpe | wombachi: no problem, thanks for your help... I have one last hint/question, in /sbin/mkinitrd, if the kernel is 2.4 it does "inst /sbin/vgwrapper "$MNTIMAGE/bin/vgwrapper" and links vgscan and vhchange to it... however i have no /sbin/vgwrapper on my system |
| 14:17.42 | unfo | phaedrus444: to undo, press Control-C. |
| 14:17.46 | ootput | MyWay: or alsa-utils, forget which |
| 14:17.52 | MyWay | amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 14:17.53 | phaedrus444 | thanks |
| 14:17.53 | MyWay | /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: set_controls:1119: snd_ctl_open error: Invalid argument'. done. |
| 14:17.57 | MyWay | always this error |
| 14:17.57 | phaedrus444 | whats a demo ? |
| 14:17.59 | poeye2333 | SerajewelKS, it was a 1mb file but im trying it with a 7 byte txt file now :) so its not the size |
| 14:18.10 | unfo | phaedrus444: just type an apostrophe and press enter. |
| 14:18.14 | SerajewelKS | poeye2333: ok, just checking |
| 14:18.18 | phaedrus444 | ah..thanks |
| 14:18.44 | ootput | MyWay: alsactl store |
| 14:18.50 | SerajewelKS | poeye2333: when i try to copy a +4gb file over scp to a FAT partition, i get a similar error... apparently it's too lazy to tell me what the server-side error is (FAT doesn't support +4gb files) |
| 14:18.52 | ootput | MyWay: then restart |
| 14:18.58 | MyWay | alsactl: get_controls:492: snd_ctl_open error: Invalid argument |
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| 14:19.17 | SerajewelKS | poeye2333: you might try a pingflood (ping -f *as root*) against the server box, maybe you're losing packets? |
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| 14:19.34 | unfo | poeye2333: no |
| 14:19.43 | unfo | SerajewelKS: are you sure a pingflood is a good idea? |
| 14:20.09 | SerajewelKS | unfo: you have a better method for checking packet loss? |
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| 14:20.30 | unfo | SerajewelKS: no, but the question is isn't a pingflood hard on the server? |
| 14:20.42 | poeye2333 | SerajewelKS, shouldnt b a problem to be honest but im tryin an mtr and im getting a small loss . 5-7% not much tho |
| 14:20.50 | SerajewelKS | unfo: uhm, not really, not unless several boxes are doing it to the same server |
| 14:20.53 | ootput | MyWay: do you have an /etc/asoundrc? |
| 14:20.55 | Tassium | Unless the connection is going down for extended periods of time, wouldn't TCP just resend the packets in question? |
| 14:20.58 | unfo | SerajewelKS: oh. my bad |
| 14:20.59 | tas-- | SerajewelKS: IMO, it's better using ping with different (big) payload, use -s switch |
| 14:20.59 | ootput | MyWay: or ~/.asoundrc? |
| 14:21.03 | MyWay | i check it a moment |
| 14:21.04 | SerajewelKS | unfo: an scp transfer will use more bandwidth |
| 14:21.08 | asg | unfo: probably not on a server but I've seen routers (*cough* Extreme *cough*) that choke nastily on ICMP |
| 14:21.34 | quitte | im having a problem with tftpd. just a few minutes ago everything went fine. i configured networking with grub.set root to (nd) and could easily pull the kernelfrom tftp. now when doing it again i get an error 2 access violation |
| 14:21.38 | unfo | i portscanned 192.168.2.0/24 and it brought down my cheap router. |
| 14:21.38 | poeye2333 | anyone seen this problem on scp before ? |
| 14:21.40 | SerajewelKS | poeye2333: 5-7% is *A LOT* of loss |
| 14:21.54 | unfo | poeye2333: any clue why the loss? |
| 14:21.57 | poeye2333 | SerajewelKS, well its down to 3% now on average |
| 14:22.03 | wombachi | hedpe sorry, I dont have many more infos for you |
| 14:22.04 | quitte | the files and the directory for tftpd are world readable |
| 14:22.04 | SerajewelKS | poeye2333: 3 is still a lot |
| 14:22.08 | poeye2333 | SerajewelKS, : true |
| 14:22.11 | MyWay | no i don't ootput |
| 14:22.22 | poeye2333 | SerajewelKS, : going to check it out might be that |
| 14:22.27 | SerajewelKS | poeye2333: i'm surprised anything is working. it's not scp's fault, fix your network. |
| 14:22.34 | unfo | quitte: maybe try ##linux? |
| 14:22.44 | ootput | MyWay: what does /proc/asound/version say? |
| 14:22.52 | ootput | This may be a problem with 32/64-bit emulation in your ALSA version |
| 14:22.52 | quitte | unfo: maybe you could stop giving me useless tips? |
| 14:22.59 | unfo | quitte: fine |
| 14:23.01 | MyWay | bash: /proc/asound/version: Permission denied |
| 14:23.16 | ootput | MyWay: as root |
| 14:23.33 | ootput | MyWay: hang on, you're doing all of this as user? |
| 14:23.53 | MyWay | im root ootput |
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| 14:24.01 | MyWay | no no |
| 14:24.01 | unfo | quitte: you have to understand, i am on irc a lot, including newbie-er channels, and a lot of people dont google first. |
| 14:24.03 | MyWay | i'm root |
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| 14:24.09 | ootput | MyWay: permission denied? |
| 14:24.12 | MyWay | yes |
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| 14:24.40 | ootput | MyWay: ls -al /proc/asound/version |
| 14:24.41 | quitte | unfo: sure. well i'vebeen in this channelfor years now.so you have to excuse me,too |
| 14:24.52 | MyWay | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-05-17 16:24 /proc/asound/version |
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| 14:25.58 | unfo | quitte: i dont understand, "excuse"? |
| 14:26.33 | quitte | unfo: my answer was rather harsh.sorry about that. |
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| 14:26.48 | unfo | quitte: oh. dont worry :) |
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| 14:27.30 | phaedrus444 | how can i add repositories to apt-get from command line? and also take of cdroms |
| 14:27.39 | wombachi | in other words: if I want/need 2.6.15+ kernels on a production server, should I use Testing to avoid Sarge problems (udev,lvm etc)? |
| 14:27.51 | unfo | wombachi: why not backports again? |
| 14:27.52 | MyWay | phaedrus444: editing the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:28.09 | phaedrus444 | command line? |
| 14:28.19 | MyWay | use nano or something |
| 14:28.19 | unfo | phaedrus444: you should learn vim |
| 14:28.24 | ootput | phaedrus444: cat >> /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 14:28.29 | unfo | phaedrus444: type: vimtutor |
| 14:28.31 | ootput | and C-d to quit |
| 14:28.37 | tarzeau | i can't find firmware upgrades for frontier labs nex mp3 player |
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| 14:28.54 | MyWay | ootput: have you got some idea? :p |
| 14:28.56 | phaedrus444 | wooohoooo thanks |
| 14:29.13 | ootput | phaedrus444: the cdrom deletion requires some awk magic |
| 14:29.16 | ootput | sed |
| 14:29.19 | ootput | MyWay: not really |
| 14:29.19 | wombachi | unfo I'm not comfortable with the idea : which packages are needed? udev, perhaps others (initramfs-tools?) Will this make upgrading more difficult later (ex when Etch is out) |
| 14:29.29 | MyWay | hm |
| 14:29.45 | unfo | wombachi: udev yes, initramfs-tools probably, and i dont know |
| 14:29.59 | Tassium | Can a mail aliases (in /etc/aliases) be a remote address? Example: somename: remote@someotherhost.tld |
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| 14:30.14 | boyracerr | would greatly appreciate help with an apt-get problem: basically, php4-odbc requires zendapi-20010901, which should be provided by php4. However, my system refuses to recognise this, despite having php4 |
| 14:30.16 | wombachi | unfo I've read scary things. Ex http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2006/02/msg00111.html |
| 14:30.26 | boyracerr | is there anyway to force the install? |
| 14:30.35 | bnovc | since the 'safe' version of ncftp is extremely outdated, i guess i should install it from source and put move the old one away? |
| 14:30.40 | unfo | boyracerr: why doesnt it recognize it? |
| 14:30.45 | bnovc | since debian refuses to give me a reasonable verison in 'stable' mode |
| 14:30.53 | boyracerr | it says 'unmet dependency' |
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| 14:31.05 | unfo | boyracerr: are you on sarge etch or mixed? |
| 14:31.09 | ootput | bnovc: that's because the devs know that lftp is much better ;) |
| 14:31.23 | bnovc | ootput, lftp huh...i'll look into |
| 14:31.29 | bnovc | i loved ncftp before but this version is a piece of shit |
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| 14:32.07 | boyracerr | still woody, standard as far as I know |
| 14:32.15 | unfo | boyracerr: why not go to sarge? |
| 14:32.23 | bnovc | i really dont understand why debian wont allow forced upgrades of packages |
| 14:32.30 | bnovc | ncftp is not a dependancy of anything else i have installed |
| 14:32.35 | Tassium | boyracerr: Did you check dpkg --status php and see what exactly the version you have installed Provides:/ |
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| 14:32.48 | wombachi | unfo Good doc is hard to find, but using 2.6.12+ kernels on Sarge seems so extremely painfull that I'm thinking about using Testing for production |
| 14:32.49 | boyracerr | its not fully my decision |
| 14:33.02 | boyracerr | is that likely to be the problem? |
| 14:33.09 | ootput | bnovc: the issue is with the dependencies _of_ ncftp |
| 14:33.10 | zu22 | how do you un-hold a package? |
| 14:33.11 | unfo | bnovc: lftp and gftp in text mode are the best text ftp clients. |
| 14:33.15 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.16 | asg | zu22: /msg dpkg unhold |
| 14:33.22 | pharm | wombachi: You'll need a newer udev if you're using it. What else is problematic? |
| 14:33.35 | bnovc | i really shouldnt have to use another client because debian isnt smart enough to allow an upgrade |
| 14:33.55 | boyracerr | there is not provides listed for my php4 |
| 14:34.01 | zu22 | asg: doh :) thx |
| 14:34.03 | unfo | bnovc: apt is the best of the package managers out there. |
| 14:34.14 | bnovc | unfo thats only your opinion and i dont agree |
| 14:34.14 | Manager | i say, ubuntu is very sexual |
| 14:34.21 | unfo | yum is worse, portage is slower |
| 14:34.23 | Tassium | boyracerr: Hmm.. Are you using the "stable" repository in your apt source on an old-stable box? |
| 14:34.23 | Ronin | pardon Manager? |
| 14:34.30 | Manager | sorry ronin |
| 14:34.36 | unfo | Manager: if you keep talking OT they may kick you. |
| 14:34.45 | Manager | sorry everyone |
| 14:34.46 | bnovc | ive never seen ports be slower....i'm happy with anything that doesnt take over my computer though |
| 14:34.51 | abrotman | !ops Manager has absolutely nothing Debian related to talk about |
| 14:34.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Manager has absolutely nothing Debian related to talk about |
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| 14:35.05 | boyracerr | the php version is the same as that at http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4 |
| 14:35.08 | bnovc | it is absurd that i am not allowed to upgrade my packages without having 2 copies |
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| 14:35.30 | Manager | !ops abrotman is spamming the channel with an on-join message |
| 14:35.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: abrotman is spamming the channel with an on-join message |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | right .. obviously not a troll ... |
| 14:35.49 | boyracerr | Tassium: let me check apt source. I'm a little foggy, since I didn't set this up myself |
| 14:35.53 | wombachi | pharm I read a mail on debian-release saying backporting udev was problematic http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2006/02/msg00111.html |
| 14:36.20 | unfo | Manager: when you spam the ops you are quite likely to be kicked. |
| 14:36.27 | paulswm | abrotman: Like the ops would believe that you were onjoin spamming #d |
| 14:36.49 | unfo | abrotman: i see your point :) |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | paulswm: what would i spam people with? "/msg dpkg tell blah about guidlines" |
| 14:36.59 | unfo | !popcon |
| 14:37.00 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:37.01 | asg | abrotman: would you please |
| 14:37.04 | Manager | !ops i think abrotman is virus infected |
| 14:37.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: i think abrotman is virus infected |
| 14:37.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:37.16 | abrotman | unfo: see why i didn't want the guy in #-ot? |
| 14:37.28 | ootput | unfo: the douchebag that he is |
| 14:37.28 | asg | unfo: see why we didn't want him in #-ot |
| 14:37.28 | unfo | abrotman: i quite do. |
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| 14:37.46 | zu22 | abrotman: heh |
| 14:37.58 | boyracerr | http://pastebin.com/722462 |
| 14:38.03 | unfo | the key is dnftt. |
| 14:38.03 | boyracerr | that is the sources list |
| 14:38.11 | pharm | wombachi: yeah, but you don't *have* to be running udev. Unless you really need the hotpluginess... |
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| 14:38.15 | boyracerr | nothing exotic |
| 14:38.26 | unfo | hotplug is nice. |
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| 14:38.32 | boyracerr | i should note that the php5 stuff is not used |
| 14:38.39 | ootput | yay |
| 14:38.39 | paulswm | YAY |
| 14:38.42 | pharm | wombachi: Also, backports.org will give you a 2.6.16 + udev in stable... |
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| 14:38.52 | paulswm | Thanks mentor |
| 14:39.00 | pharm | wombachi: Although you'll have to worry about timely security updates if that's a concern... |
| 14:39.11 | ootput | abrotman, too, while you're at it ;) |
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| 14:39.45 | unfo | meff: who is fds? |
| 14:39.46 | unfo | oops |
| 14:39.53 | unfo | mentor: who is fds? |
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| 14:39.58 | ootput | his /whois username |
| 14:39.59 | mentor | Manager |
| 14:40.00 | timgoh0 | unfo: /whois |
| 14:40.01 | wombachi | pharm I dont really need the hotplug things. Security is a concern of course. |
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| 14:40.55 | pharm | wombachi: Of course, the stable kernels haven't exactly had a stellar record on the "timely security releases" front :( |
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| 14:41.20 | pharm | wombachi: So backporting the unstable 2.6.16 kernels to stable will probably do OK. |
| 14:41.24 | wombachi | pharm I rolled my own 2.4 kernels for that reason since a few years |
| 14:41.26 | eleftherios | a friend just asked a weird question. In the console where getty is displaying its login dialogue he would like to have the output of 'top' displayed *without* any user being logged on. Any ideas please? |
| 14:41.35 | pharm | wombachi: If you absolutely *have* to have the latest kernels of cousre. |
| 14:41.46 | unfo | eleftherios: why would they want that? |
| 14:41.59 | pharm | eleftherios: an appropriate entry in /etc/initab should do it. |
| 14:42.02 | timgoh0 | eleftherios: Edit /etc/inittab and replace getty with top? |
| 14:42.12 | wombachi | pharm 2.6.8 is lacking too much hardware support :-/ |
| 14:42.15 | pharm | etc/inittab that is |
| 14:42.31 | boyracerr | i note that zendapi-20010901 is part of oldstable, and links to an old version of php4 |
| 14:42.33 | ootput | startx |
| 14:42.37 | unfo | timgoh0: what user would top run as if you did that? |
| 14:42.43 | pharm | wombachi: fair enough. I'd roll your own kernels... |
| 14:42.45 | boyracerr | i guess this means that a sarge update is the only way to go |
| 14:42.48 | ootput | auto X without any dm |
| 14:42.52 | timgoh0 | unfo: I think it would be root. Which may be bad. |
| 14:42.56 | Tassium | boyracerr: Probably not a bad thing to do regardless |
| 14:43.01 | eleftherios | timgoh0, pharm can he specify on which console top will run? (for example only on tty1) |
| 14:43.03 | wombachi | pharm Using a backported 2.6.16 wont cause initrd problems? http://wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions |
| 14:43.05 | unfo | timgoh0: yes, top can kill processes |
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| 14:43.10 | eleftherios | unfo, I have no idea why he wants that :-) |
| 14:43.12 | pharm | eleftherios: yes, read the inittab manpage |
| 14:43.14 | timgoh0 | eleftherios: Yes he can. |
| 14:43.18 | diza | whenever i click on a torrent file it trys to use Gnome bittorrent to open it how can i change it to ktorrent? |
| 14:43.19 | boyracerr | true. Thanks for helping me go through it |
| 14:43.21 | eleftherios | lovely, thank you |
| 14:43.23 | unfo | eleftherios: so tell him to go on IRC himself. |
| 14:43.26 | timgoh0 | unfo: Or write a script that drops privs and runs top? |
| 14:43.32 | wombachi | pharm "initrd-tools relies on devfs... deprecated.. responsible for many sarge install failures" is not encouraging at first sight |
| 14:43.38 | Tassium | boyracerr: use the -s switch to apt-get before you do it to make sure there's no surprises lurking |
| 14:43.39 | ootput | eleftherios: or is this the proverbial friend? |
| 14:43.42 | pharm | wombachi: Use backports.org to grab the appropriate initramfs-tools |
| 14:43.56 | unfo | timgoh0: meh, i would just create a normal user whose shell was /usr/bin/top |
| 14:44.04 | pharm | wombachi: then use the backports.org sources as a basis for your own kernels thereafter. |
| 14:44.08 | unfo | eleftherios: i repeat, i would just create a normal user whose shell was /usr/bin/top :) |
| 14:44.12 | eleftherios | ootput, no he just phoned up and I happened to be in front of the machine on IRC that's why I asked :-) |
| 14:44.39 | timgoh0 | unfo: But that would require the user to manually login. Laziness is a virtue! |
| 14:44.45 | diza | Whenever i click on a torrent file it trys to use Gnome bittorrent to open it how can i change it to ktorrent? |
| 14:44.50 | unfo | timgoh0: qlogin lets you bypass that |
| 14:44.51 | pharm | wombachi: Of course, if you're rolling your own kernels for your own hardware, then you don't need an initrd. |
| 14:44.51 | eleftherios | unfo, he does not want any user logged on |
| 14:44.52 | wombachi | pharm Ok, I'll need a backported kernel, udev, initramfs-tools. Are there other packages I will need? |
| 14:45.00 | unfo | eleftherios: why not? |
| 14:45.00 | boyracerr | right. Replace the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get dist-upgrade -s, correct |
| 14:45.03 | eleftherios | unfo, I have no idea |
| 14:45.09 | unfo | eleftherios: sorry. :P |
| 14:45.11 | boyracerr | ? I've never done a full upgrade before |
| 14:45.22 | pharm | wombachi: the backports.org kernel has dependencies on the required packages. Have a look! |
| 14:45.22 | eleftherios | anyway, thank you all :-) |
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| 14:45.45 | dpro | hi |
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| 14:45.57 | wombachi | pharm Ok, I should have guessed the deps were handled correctly by backports.org |
| 14:46.09 | pharm | wombachi: no problem. |
| 14:46.14 | dpro | anyone also having font problems with emacs21/emacs-snapshot on unstable ? |
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| 14:46.37 | wombachi | pharm Thanks for your time :-) |
| 14:46.46 | diza | unstable friggen rocks |
| 14:46.54 | diza | until it stops working |
| 14:47.01 | unfo | :) |
| 14:47.03 | diza | then its kinda frustrating |
| 14:47.09 | ootput | dpro: i'm not |
| 14:47.29 | ootput | dpro: fixed (8x13-u) here |
| 14:47.34 | dpro | it works just fine but emacs makes lots of funny squares when used under X |
| 14:47.40 | pharm | dpro: Some people are! |
| 14:47.40 | diza | anybody know what filename is for gnome bittorrent is? |
| 14:47.46 | ootput | dpro: file encoding? |
| 14:47.54 | diza | i want to apt-get remove it but i dont know the correct name |
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| 14:48.12 | ootput | diza: apt-cache search torrent | grep gnome |
| 14:48.16 | ootput | ? |
| 14:48.21 | unfo | diza: apt-cache search gnome torrent |
| 14:48.24 | stew | dpro: #363664 |
| 14:48.39 | unfo | dpro: bugs.debian.org/363664 of course |
| 14:48.41 | pharm | dpro: choose a different font? xlsfonts & emacs -fn <fontname> to try them out... |
| 14:48.42 | stew | dpro: and read http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 14:48.45 | darrh00 | ootput: gnome-btdownload - Gnome interface for 'executing' BitTorrent files |
| 14:48.53 | zu22 | just read this article: http://ianmurdock.com/?p=239 any reactions? |
| 14:49.00 | unfo | zu22: whats it about? |
| 14:49.02 | diza | hey thanks :P |
| 14:49.21 | unfo | diza: np. try backports next time you install btw :) |
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| 14:49.35 | diza | whats that? |
| 14:49.49 | ootput | hah, not for a while |
| 14:49.52 | unfo | diza: register your nickname then type /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:50.19 | zu22 | unfo: ian murdock talking about what must happen with debian |
| 14:50.25 | ootput | a year ago |
| 14:50.29 | ootput | during sarge release |
| 14:50.56 | unfo | wasnt sarge held up because debian-installer took longer to get done than they thought it would? |
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| 14:51.27 | wombachi | one of the main reasons indeed, iirc |
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| 14:52.24 | dpro | ok will give it a shot restarting xserver |
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| 14:55.46 | tarzeau | why does www.frontierlabs.com have a <title> like LUCKING FOVELY ENTERTAINMENT? |
| 14:55.54 | tarzeau | FUCKING LOVELY ENTERTAINMENT? |
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| 14:56.09 | raf256 | heh |
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| 14:56.22 | diza | lol |
| 14:56.22 | tarzeau | no wonder i couldn't find it in google |
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| 14:57.48 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:57.49 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:58.23 | ootput | ha, "probe the anus of a fellow player during a match" as the final sentence of an online news article |
| 14:58.47 | fantomas | Hi. I can't mount FreeBSD disk on Debian, I got wrong fs error in reply to this command: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2,ro /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp . What could be the problem? Module ufs is loaded, partition type reported by fdisk is 4.2BSD |
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| 14:59.19 | fantomas | Also I tried ufstype=44bsd,ro and ufstype=old,ro with same result |
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| 14:59.59 | ootput | fantomas: any existing entries in fstab? |
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| 15:00.01 | fantomas | Also there is "ufs_read_super: bad magic number" message in /var/log/messages |
| 15:00.42 | fantomas | ootput: what entries? |
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| 15:03.55 | fantomas | any ideas? |
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| 15:11.37 | Badman | re |
| 15:12.03 | Badman | i couldn't continue the installation of sid from ubuntu with uncurse |
| 15:12.07 | Badman | i missed the net |
| 15:14.19 | kspath | Badman: Try a clean install of Sarge/Stable. You are welcome to change to unstable if you must there after. |
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| 15:16.03 | smoosh | hi, there are a way for add a binary (or hexadecimal) char with bash, without using an hex editor? |
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| 15:16.11 | Badman | the problem is my modem kspath |
| 15:16.19 | Badman | i have sagem fast 800 |
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| 15:16.30 | Badman | the drivers are not include in debian |
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| 15:17.02 | hedpe | has anyone here ever experienced initrd not being run before trying to mount the root partition? |
| 15:17.06 | ootput | fantomas: http://tinyurl.com/foy2s |
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| 15:17.38 | tarzeau | j'en ai mare |
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| 15:17.59 | tarzeau | smoosh: which? |
| 15:18.02 | kspath | mare ~= ocean/sea? |
| 15:18.09 | tarzeau | kspath: i've got enough? |
| 15:18.11 | wombachi | smoosh something like echo -e "foo\0NNNbar" where NNN is octal code? |
| 15:18.11 | thingfish | no, that's mer |
| 15:18.22 | thingfish | mer or mere, I forget. |
| 15:18.27 | wombachi | mer |
| 15:18.32 | thingfish | thanks ;) |
| 15:18.33 | tarzeau | thingfish: mer, but spelt like mom |
| 15:18.34 | masyuk | halo |
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| 15:18.41 | tarzeau | thingfish: also mere, and there's one more mere |
| 15:19.00 | wah | bye |
| 15:19.00 | thingfish | I should've taken more french in college. |
| 15:19.01 | kspath | tarzeau: meri ~= middle/about ? |
| 15:19.23 | masyuk | ok |
| 15:19.29 | masyuk | halo |
| 15:20.05 | masyuk | any body home |
| 15:20.05 | tarzeau | kspath: pas du tout |
| 15:20.06 | Ronin | masyuk: no im at work actually |
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| 15:20.07 | kspath | masyuk: /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:20.28 | wombachi | marre d'en avoir marre ? |
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| 15:20.59 | tarzeau | ou sont les chevales? |
| 15:21.01 | masyuk | iam from malaysia |
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| 15:21.07 | smoosh | wombachi: i' should add 0xFF ad the end of a file... but with -e \NNN, i' can't beause i don't have the equivalent ascci code for ff |
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| 15:21.41 | wombachi | my tailor is rich |
| 15:22.11 | Ronin | wombachi: are you a bot? |
| 15:22.26 | kspath | masyuk: This is #debian. Do you have a question about something Debian related? |
| 15:22.56 | wombachi | Ronin I dont think so. |
| 15:23.04 | masyuk | i just want chat kspath |
| 15:23.07 | wombachi | Ronin Just a little tired ;-) |
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| 15:23.14 | kspath | tarzeau: Why were you using French rather than English in #debian "by the way"? |
| 15:23.16 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:23.33 | ootput | masyuk: that's fine |
| 15:23.57 | wombachi | smoosh echo -e "\0377" dont work? |
| 15:24.13 | masyuk | thank u ootput |
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| 15:24.35 | kspath | masyuk: This is not random chat channel. Some regulars have a bit more leeway but ... Please understand that saying hi or hello or halo in a channel of 700-900 nicks should not require a "halo" back. |
| 15:24.49 | stew | hi |
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| 15:25.12 | tarzeau | kspath: don't forget to say hi or hello in #purebasic or they get mad... |
| 15:25.14 | myboxen | :) |
| 15:25.16 | MyWay | hi im here again |
| 15:25.26 | tarzeau | kspath: why it is on freenode, i don't understand. it's got nothing to do with free software |
| 15:25.37 | kspath | tarzeau: They have 700-900 nicks saying hi back? |
| 15:25.39 | masyuk | ok kspath thank u iwill leave this room |
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| 15:25.44 | tarzeau | kspath: no, but do we? |
| 15:25.49 | smoosh | wombachi: yes, it work!!! thanks a lot :-) |
| 15:25.54 | Ronin | kspath: no but it is polite when entering i suspect |
| 15:26.02 | jabberchris | tarzeau: hope not |
| 15:26.04 | MyWay | Someone can help me with my via82xx soundcard? i retrieve this error after an alsaconf amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 15:26.04 | MyWay | /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: set_controls:1119: snd_ctl_open error: Invalid argument'. done. |
| 15:26.21 | wombachi | smoosh np. "man" is your friend |
| 15:26.27 | MyWay | i can't also run alsamixer |
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| 15:26.57 | stew | MyWay: modprobe snd-via82xx ; if that fixes it, add snd-via82xx to the end of /etc/modules |
| 15:26.58 | kspath | Ronin: If everyone says hi or hello or halo when entering it will cause a lot more scroll than already occurs though. With small and/or quiet channels there is/should be a different culture. |
| 15:27.00 | smoosh | wombachi: yes, you are right... thanx again :) |
| 15:27.32 | MyWay | stew: same as before |
| 15:27.37 | kspath | masyuk: No one said you had to leave. You can lurk and wait for something to help with or learn about. |
| 15:27.42 | MyWay | re hi kspath |
| 15:28.42 | stew | MyWay: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}'" output? |
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| 15:29.46 | MyWay | > |
| 15:29.49 | MyWay | this is the output |
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| 15:29.53 | int80_h | Does anyone know bj of schmong.org? |
| 15:30.07 | int80_h | he's a debian guy so I was hoping he comes here |
| 15:30.25 | MyWay | ops |
| 15:30.27 | MyWay | this: 1106:3059 |
| 15:30.33 | supaman | hi, anyone know of an app in debian (or another that is free (as in speech) but not in debian) that can read in .cdr (coreldraw) files? |
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| 15:30.57 | tarzeau | supaman: cenon.app |
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| 15:31.02 | jzono1 | hi |
| 15:31.03 | kspath | supaman: did you try openoffice 1 and/or 2 ? |
| 15:31.03 | stew | MyWay: then snd-via82xx is the right module. did anything show up in dmesg when you modprobed it? |
| 15:31.12 | MyWay | no |
| 15:31.16 | supaman | tarzeau: cenon? |
| 15:31.17 | tarzeau | supaman: or wait, no. gimp can't? |
| 15:31.25 | jzono1 | any way to get netstat to print the full hostnames on my debian stable? |
| 15:31.29 | supaman | tarzeau: dont think so no ... |
| 15:31.33 | tarzeau | supaman: no it only does postscript,dxf,ai,din,hpgl,gerber and pdf |
| 15:31.33 | kspath | supaman: Are all versions of coreldraw the same as far as saved files? |
| 15:31.35 | supaman | kspath: nope, havnt tried that out |
| 15:31.42 | tarzeau | kspath: no imho |
| 15:31.42 | stew | MyWay: "modprbe -r snd-via82xx && modprobe snd-via82xx" and see if anything shows up in dmesg |
| 15:31.53 | supaman | kspath: have no idea ... dont use it myself |
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| 15:32.07 | supaman | Ill try openoffice ... |
| 15:32.13 | MyWay | ok |
| 15:32.18 | kspath | supaman: Something to consider. Something might open/view/access a .cdr but not another perhaps. |
| 15:32.38 | MyWay | Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 15:32.38 | MyWay | amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 15:32.45 | MyWay | /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: set_controls:1119: snd_ctl_open error: Invalid argument'. done. |
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| 15:32.54 | jzono1 | nobody? |
| 15:33.06 | kspath | supaman: perl or python or the like might have utils to open them. Try freshmeat and search for corel. |
| 15:33.22 | supaman | kspath: ok ... |
| 15:33.40 | supaman | tahks for the suggestions ... laters |
| 15:33.46 | kspath | supaman: imagemajik is powerful. (sp?) |
| 15:34.11 | stew | MyWay: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" list a card? |
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| 15:34.24 | MyWay | 0 [rev60 ]: VIA8233 - VIA 823x rev60 |
| 15:34.25 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.26 | MyWay | yes |
| 15:34.36 | kspath | coreldraw having "drawing" features make them more than just images. |
| 15:34.42 | eleftherios | jzono1, how about using the -e option twice? |
| 15:34.44 | stew | MyWay: do you have a ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 15:34.51 | MyWay | no i don't |
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| 15:36.25 | jzono1 | eleftherios: thanks, that worked |
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| 15:36.58 | eleftherios | jzono1, hm, did it? The host names still get truncated here but if it works for you then fine :-) |
| 15:37.07 | stew | MyWay: what happens when you run "alsamixer" or "alsamixer -c0"? |
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| 15:37.19 | MyWay | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argumen |
| 15:38.08 | stew | MyWay: do you have a /dev/snd/controlCO? do you have a /dev/snd? |
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| 15:38.32 | MyWay | yes i have |
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| 15:38.41 | stew | MyWay: are you in the audio group? |
| 15:38.52 | stew | MyWay: type "groups", is audio listed? |
| 15:38.52 | MyWay | i think yes, but can't remember the command for check it |
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| 15:39.10 | MyWay | yes it is |
| 15:39.13 | jzono1 | eleftherios: it didn't :-/ |
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| 15:39.23 | jzono1 | the first hostnames were short |
| 15:40.18 | abrotman | has he logged out since he did it? |
| 15:40.38 | stew | abrotman: i think he'd be getting a permission denied, not a invalid argument, anyway |
| 15:40.38 | MyWay | me? |
| 15:40.41 | stew | yeah |
| 15:40.45 | MyWay | yes i logged out |
| 15:40.58 | stew | MyWay: can you "strace -o /tmp/alsamixer.log alsamixer" then put the /tmp/alsamixer.log file onto a pastebin? |
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| 15:41.06 | MyWay | ok a moment |
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| 15:43.05 | abrotman | jjazz: you're alive! |
| 15:43.11 | MyWay | http://pastebin.com/722587 |
| 15:43.15 | MyWay | here is it StereoSkit |
| 15:43.18 | MyWay | stew * |
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| 15:43.29 | jjazz | abrotman: Barely! |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | jjazz: yeah .. i can imagine .. your best outfielder is bernie williams ... |
| 15:44.17 | kspath | abrotman: Debian has outfielders? |
| 15:44.20 | jjazz | abrotman: Actually, it's probably Kevin Thompson, but he's stuck in AAA. |
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| 15:45.38 | apachelogger | heya |
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| 15:45.51 | apachelogger | any packager with sarge pbuilder around? |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
| 15:46.10 | stew | MyWay: what does "ls -l /dev/snd/controlC0" say? |
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| 15:46.33 | MyWay | by root? |
| 15:46.34 | MyWay | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 2006-05-17 15:37 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 15:46.43 | stew | hrmph |
| 15:47.10 | stew | i'm stumped |
| 15:47.13 | MyWay | ;O |
| 15:47.15 | lewis2 | how can I chroot a user to his home directory with rssh? I have read the manuals, but only see a chroot dir on a global basis (that doesn't allow any %user% variables) - can someone please advise? |
| 15:47.27 | stew | which shouldn't happen with an alsa problem |
| 15:47.37 | stew | ioctl(3, USBDEVFS_CONTROL, 0xffffd64c) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument |
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| 15:47.44 | stew | no idea what that is about |
| 15:48.05 | MyWay | stew can it depends because im using a kernel for amd64? |
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| 15:48.17 | Karim | Hi guys |
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| 15:48.27 | withproblems | hi |
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| 15:48.41 | jjazz | with problems indeed. |
| 15:49.42 | Karim | does any know what happened to that project that was going to build a base for debian-based distros to be built from? |
| 15:49.56 | stew | MyWay: it appears so, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:50.09 | MyWay | 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
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| 15:51.46 | Edward_TLS | 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp |
| 15:51.49 | Edward_TLS | from etch.. ;) |
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| 15:52.11 | peterrooney | debian has a fairly clearly explained way to submit bug reports, but how does one go about submitting a fix? |
| 15:52.13 | stew | MyWay: googling for that ioctl error above it looks like its something amd64 specific. you should try a newer kernel, and maybe ask #debian-amd64, point at the strace and specifically that EINVAL line above. |
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| 15:52.29 | MyWay | ok |
| 15:53.13 | locus | hi, is the software raid option (not lvm) during the installation done with mdadm? |
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| 15:53.38 | stew | peterrooney: email bug#@bugs.debian.org and attach the patch, and put "tags 12345 patch\nthanks" into the body and bcc control@bugs.debian.org (where 12345 is the bug#) |
| 15:53.42 | MyWay | stew can you help me explain it in the channel? :p |
| 15:54.43 | stew | MyWay: the strace output is all the explaination needed, it dies pretty much immediately after the EINVAL; i'd be suprised if a newer kernel didn't fix this |
| 15:54.51 | wombachi | locus most probably |
| 15:54.57 | locus | wombachi, thanks |
| 15:55.02 | MyWay | so i can try with a newer kernel before ask |
| 15:55.04 | MyWay | ok |
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| 15:55.58 | lewis | any ideas: /usr/bin/cvs: execv() failed. rssh: rsync is not an executable file, or permission denied. |
| 15:56.08 | peterrooney | stew: thanks, will try that |
| 15:56.12 | lewis | when using rssh, instead of ssh |
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| 15:56.19 | Tassium | lewis: Do you have rsync installed? |
| 15:56.22 | lewis | yes |
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| 15:56.28 | stew | peterrooney: thanks for patching! |
| 15:56.42 | lewis | if I have the shell as /bin/bash - works fine, if I change the shell to /usr/bin/rssh - gives the error above |
| 15:56.53 | MyWay | stew how it was for update the kernel? apt-get install kernel-image and the name? |
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| 15:56.55 | lewis | allowrsync is set in /etc/rssh.conf |
| 15:56.57 | peterrooney | stew: unified diffs seem to be about right? |
| 15:57.00 | vincent_ | lewis: ls -lh /usr/bin/rsync |
| 15:57.04 | stew | peterrooney: yes |
| 15:57.06 | stew | MyWay: you are on sarge? |
| 15:57.10 | MyWay | yes |
| 15:57.29 | peterrooney | Whoo! Look forward to an end to those pesky tethereal startup errors. |
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| 15:57.41 | lewis | vincent_: -rwxr-xr-x |
| 15:57.54 | kspath | lewis: rssh - restricted secure shell allowing only scp and/or sftp I assume that is the only thing you are trying to do. |
| 15:58.18 | lewis | I am trying to allow rsync too. |
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| 15:58.36 | lewis | there is a line that specifically says: allowrsync |
| 15:58.49 | stew | MyWay: you have the latest official stable kernel available, i recommend installing a linux-image package from backports.org ; http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 15:59.07 | MyWay | ok |
| 15:59.33 | MyWay | isnt the last .12? mine is .11 |
| 15:59.41 | matong | Hello, i have a small problem with acpi on an Asus m6800n Notebook. I can't change the cooling mode [ with echo 0 > /proc/....../cooling_mode ]. How do I change the mode besides? |
| 16:00.38 | stew | MyWay: your is 2.6.8-11, you are going to install 2.6.16-1 |
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| 16:00.57 | ^Nikos | hello |
| 16:01.11 | ^Nikos | guys although i use this in /etc/fstab |
| 16:01.14 | lewis | any ideas? |
| 16:01.14 | kspath | lewis: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/ |
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| 16:01.27 | ^Nikos | /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb3 vfat auto,nls=utf8 |
| 16:01.32 | stew | MyWay: there is a -12 available but i wouldnt' expect that to have such a fix, its likely only a security patch |
| 16:01.33 | ^Nikos | my partiton aint mounted |
| 16:01.40 | MyWay | ah |
| 16:01.46 | MyWay | stew i can't find the .16 |
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| 16:02.02 | stew | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 16:02.15 | ^Nikos | can somebody tell em why? |
| 16:02.18 | lewis | oh |
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| 16:02.40 | MyWay | i need 386, 486 or 686? |
| 16:02.40 | stew | ^Nikos: what happens when you run "mount /media/hdb3" ? |
| 16:02.44 | Voltage | Some one that can help me figure out this one? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=5294 |
| 16:02.46 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Do you get an error when you try to mount it manually? |
| 16:02.58 | HolyCow | I run liloconfig, but I get "ERROR: install-mbr failed! your system may not be bootable"... Any reason why this might happen? |
| 16:02.59 | stew | MyWay: amd64 |
| 16:03.06 | ^Nikos | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb3, |
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| 16:03.33 | stew | ^Nikos: does "fdisk -l" list /dev/hdb3 as being a vfat partition? |
| 16:03.39 | apachelogger | someone willing to backport amaroK 1.4.0 to sarge? |
| 16:03.47 | kspath | lewis: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rssh-discuss |
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| 16:03.55 | Tassium | HolyCow: Try running /sbin/lilo -v -v |
| 16:03.55 | ^Nikos | yes stew |
| 16:04.03 | ^Nikos | /dev/hdb3 1212 2431 9799650 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 16:04.10 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.10 | kspath | apachelogger: /msg apachelogger backports Just in case it is already or will be. |
| 16:04.21 | kspath | apachelogger: /msg dpkg backports Just in case it is already or will be. |
| 16:04.27 | stew | ^Nikos: what happens when you run "mount /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb3" ? |
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| 16:04.51 | ^Nikos | it correctlt performs the command! |
| 16:05.13 | stew | MyWay: you really just want to "apt-get -t sarge-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8" |
| 16:05.23 | ^Nikos | stew, now tis mounetd ok |
| 16:05.24 | MyWay | ok |
| 16:05.31 | ^Nikos | and i can see the partitions contents! |
| 16:05.45 | ^Nikos | why didnt i perfomed automatically at startup |
| 16:05.54 | ^Nikos | sicne i have the appropatriate line in /etc/fstab? |
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| 16:06.18 | Tassium | ^Nikos: I don't think "auto" is an actual option. I know "noauto" is.. |
| 16:06.29 | stew | ^Nikos: your fstab line is wrong there, you left out the 5th and 6th fields, man 5 fstab |
| 16:06.32 | ^Nikos | for ntfs i have liek this |
| 16:06.52 | ^Nikos | /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 ntfs ro,user,umask=022,nls=utf8 |
| 16:07.03 | ^Nikos | to ntfs i dotn laos specify 5th and 6th option |
| 16:07.07 | ^Nikos | but it does get mounetd |
| 16:07.13 | ^Nikos | why it worn work on fat asd well? |
| 16:07.13 | HolyCow | /proc/partitions does not match /dev directory structure... does that have anything to to with it? |
| 16:07.28 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Try taking out the "auto" and see what happens |
| 16:07.29 | stew | ^Nikos: actually i think the problem might be that vfat doesn't take an nls option |
| 16:07.49 | kspath | ^Nikos: Are you aware that fat fat32 and ntfs are different? |
| 16:07.56 | ^Nikos | ye siam kspath |
| 16:07.56 | stew | ^Nikos: man mount ; look at the options you just want utf8 |
| 16:08.08 | ^Nikos | stew if i dotn sue nls as a mount option |
| 16:08.21 | ^Nikos | then when i try to virw fiels it wont display to em the greek filanems |
| 16:08.24 | ^Nikos | that why i sue it |
| 16:08.41 | stew | ^Nikos: there is no nls option for vfat, man mount ; there is a utf8 option however |
| 16:08.46 | jclinton | holy shit take the time to type out what you want to say |
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| 16:08.59 | ^Nikos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.06 | Tassium | ^Nikos: There's also "codepage" and "iocharset" |
| 16:09.09 | ^Nikos | but howver there is for ntfs? |
| 16:09.09 | doubletwist | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.15 | stew | ^Nikos: correct, man mount |
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| 16:09.28 | ^Nikos | ok |
| 16:09.28 | jclinton | read the man page |
| 16:10.28 | ^Nikos | man moutn is huge |
| 16:10.39 | ^Nikos | how will i quick find what i want? |
| 16:10.48 | kspath | ^Nikos: If you start now you will finish sooner. |
| 16:10.50 | ^Nikos | man mount | grep vfat |
| 16:10.52 | ^Nikos | wont show me wither |
| 16:10.53 | kspath | ^Nikos: / |
| 16:11.02 | stew | ^Nikos: search for "Mount options for vfat" |
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| 16:11.21 | jzono1 | hi again |
| 16:11.29 | kspath | ^Nikos: /keyword in man or less or vi or ... |
| 16:11.36 | ^Nikos | dell:~# man mount | grep "Mount options for vfat" |
| 16:11.39 | MyWay | stew using the command you wrote it find this package: kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 |
| 16:11.40 | ^Nikos | nothign returned |
| 16:11.41 | jzono1 | any way to get all mail sent to root forwarded to my real email adress? |
| 16:12.06 | kspath | ^Nikos: /msg dpkg lart /vfat |
| 16:12.13 | quitte | so aptitude is supposed to be great? i tried aptitude install postfix. the fourth suggestion to solve dependencies is to actually install postfixand remove exim4. |
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| 16:12.36 | ^Nikos | kspath, i dotn ge tit |
| 16:12.42 | ^Nikos | dell:~# man mount | grep nls |
| 16:12.45 | ^Nikos | bothign returned wither |
| 16:12.46 | kspath | ^Nikos: There in lies the problem. |
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| 16:12.55 | stew | MyWay: which command exactly? the apt-get -t sarge-backports install linux-image-... |
| 16:13.05 | kspath | ^Nikos: man man |
| 16:13.07 | MyWay | yes |
| 16:13.45 | kspath | ^Nikos: take a break and come back to it. |
| 16:13.46 | stew | MyWay: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8" into a pastebin? |
| 16:14.07 | ^Nikos | i corrected fstab |
| 16:14.14 | ^Nikos | how cna i make it rerun? |
| 16:14.17 | MyWay | it says it cant find anything stew |
| 16:14.37 | stew | MyWay: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 16:14.49 | MyWay | i have added the line in the source |
| 16:14.53 | Tassium | ^Nikos: You don't run fstab. umount /media/hda5; mount /media/hda5 |
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| 16:15.15 | ^Nikos | it works |
| 16:15.22 | stew | MyWay: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy" into a pastebin? |
| 16:15.37 | stew | MyWay: did you run apt-get update? |
| 16:15.38 | ^Nikos | but no greek support for vfat partitions :( |
| 16:15.42 | MyWay | ok |
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| 16:15.51 | kspath | ^Nikos: You should rewrite it to add such support. |
| 16:16.19 | MyWay | http://pastebin.com/722673 |
| 16:16.22 | stew | ^Nikos: you need greek codepage support? UTF-8 won't work for you? |
| 16:16.51 | stew | MyWay: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 16:16.54 | ^Nikos | well in ntfs aprttions it does |
| 16:17.00 | ^Nikos | but notin vfat :( |
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| 16:17.55 | apachelogger | :S |
| 16:18.12 | apachelogger | doesn't look so good for an amaroK 1.4 backport I guess |
| 16:18.22 | apachelogger | kspath: anyway, thanks :) |
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| 16:20.13 | jzono1 | nobody? |
| 16:20.24 | Tassium | stew: Really? I saw you beating your head against a wall a minute ago.. |
| 16:20.31 | loxley_ | quitte: thats the proper thing to be done.. i mean do you intend to run 2 instances of mail servers?? |
| 16:20.33 | stew | Tassium: nah |
| 16:20.34 | MyWay | stew it says i need "package header" |
| 16:20.42 | stew | MyWay: "it"? |
| 16:21.04 | MyWay | yes when i write apt-cache policy linux........... |
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| 16:21.14 | quitte | loxley_: it should have suggested that at first. |
| 16:21.15 | tralala | jzono1: I know that it can be forwarded to another user, not sure about a different host. |
| 16:21.35 | stew | MyWay: show me exactly what you are typing and exactly what it is saying |
| 16:21.36 | MyWay | field not valid, "package header" needed |
| 16:21.51 | MyWay | im writing this apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 16:22.00 | stew | MyWay: did apt-get update complete successfully? |
| 16:22.04 | MyWay | yes |
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| 16:22.09 | loxley_ | quitte: nope. i don't agree with you, what would be the benefit of doing that? |
| 16:22.12 | kspath | quitte: What port numbers will the 2nd or 3rd MTA use in that/those case(s) assuming the MTA has a config option for that. |
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| 16:22.23 | Ryushin | I have a system that is having a problem open a ssh shell when it's under load. This is a web server that spawns a cgi script that will have a lot of open files. I was thinking it might be ulimit issue, but doesn't ulimit only affect a single user session and not the whole system? |
| 16:22.25 | smagy2 | hello folks, i had by mistake installed gcc-3.3.5 which replaced gcc-.3.3.4. apt-cache search gcc shows no version of 3.3.4, could some please tell me how to roll the system back ? |
| 16:22.27 | MyWay | and i dont understand if i need pin 999 or 200 |
| 16:23.01 | quitte | loxley_: it's obvious i want to replace eximwith postfix.why does it suggest 3 waysofnotinstalling postfix if i tell it to install postfix? |
| 16:23.02 | Ryushin | smagy2: you can always download the package from ftp.debian.org |
| 16:23.09 | godmachine81 | what is the mount command to mount a disc image file for instance file.img |
| 16:23.12 | petemc | smagy2: you sure its not still there? ls -la /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 16:23.14 | kspath | loxley_: I can and have had postfix and sendmail on the same host at one time. But I used source for both MTAs and did not depend on any distribution to sort out the configuration issues. |
| 16:23.15 | Ryushin | smagy2: then use dpkg -i to install it. |
| 16:23.18 | ^Nikos | can anyone tell em how to add greek mount support in vfat parttionsa |
| 16:24.01 | stew | ^Nikos: what is the line you have in fstab now? |
| 16:24.11 | loxley_ | kspath: that seems to be a good thing if one *really* wants it that way |
| 16:24.24 | kspath | ^Nikos: if there is a #debian-gr or a #debian.gr they might know assuming there is a way. |
| 16:25.02 | ^Nikos | stew, /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb3 vfat auto |
| 16:25.07 | Justin | ^Nikos: see the mount man page, look for codepage |
| 16:25.23 | stew | ^Nikos: add the utf-8 option, man mount |
| 16:25.25 | Tassium | ^Nikos: /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb3 vfat auto,utf8 |
| 16:25.33 | kspath | ^Nikos: man mount /keyword in this case /codepage |
| 16:26.05 | ^Nikos | ahhh! |
| 16:26.11 | ^Nikos | so the kwyword is codepage |
| 16:26.18 | ^Nikos | and not vfat or nls or greek |
| 16:26.24 | ^Nikos | thats why i coudl found it |
| 16:26.31 | ^Nikos | but tis stenage |
| 16:26.46 | ^Nikos | in ntfs the option ws nls=utf8 not just urf8 |
| 16:26.52 | kspath | ^Nikos: You are welcome to try any keywords. Those were suggestions. |
| 16:27.11 | ^Nikos | thank you Tassium |
| 16:27.45 | stew | welcome to 20 minutes ago |
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| 16:28.16 | smagy2 | petemc: /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gccbug /usr/bin/gccbug-3.3 and gcc is a sym link to 3.3 and gcc -v gives 3.3.5 |
| 16:28.23 | kspath | stew: Some people do not seem to be ready/willing to help themselves by working with/helping those trying to help them. |
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| 16:28.47 | tralala | s/some/many/ |
| 16:28.50 | kspath | stew: You have been quite patient and helpful but that is only my opinion. |
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| 16:29.00 | smagy2 | Ryushin:ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-3.3 has no 3.3.4 |
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| 16:29.09 | MyWay | "field not valid in the preference file, needed "package header", what's this stew? |
| 16:29.11 | adaran | if i want to enable a user to do a few things (namely, run a script) that requires root priviledges, what's the best way to do that? sudo? and what's wrong with suid bash-scripts? |
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| 16:29.19 | vicky__ | hello |
| 16:29.22 | Tassium | MyWay: Looks to me like you've hosed your /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 16:29.30 | stew | MyWay: put your /etc/apt/prferences, and your /etc/apt/sources.list into a pastebin |
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| 16:29.38 | MyWay | ok |
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| 16:30.04 | vicky__ | :P |
| 16:30.13 | usuariossfas | joplñĺ |
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| 16:30.49 | MyWay | http://pastebin.com/722849 |
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| 16:32.06 | Tassium | MyWay: Your syntax is wrong in /etc/apt/preferences. Get rid of the colon. |
| 16:32.25 | roadfish | does the Debian community have any preference when it comes to grub or lilo? |
| 16:32.34 | Tassium | MyWay: I've submitted a correction, refresh your pastebin |
| 16:32.34 | zinx | grub, obviously |
| 16:32.38 | MyWay | ok |
| 16:32.46 | zinx | !start a bootloader war |
| 16:32.46 | dpkg | lilo sucks |
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| 16:33.02 | ^Nikos | dell:/var/www/cgi-bin# umount /media/hdb3 |
| 16:33.02 | ^Nikos | umount: /media/hdb3: device is busy |
| 16:33.10 | tralala | roadfish: as a member of the community I prefer grub, but that's just me |
| 16:33.12 | roadfish | sorry, didn't know this issue was flamewar material. |
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| 16:33.34 | zinx | roadfish: anything about preferences is flamewar material :D |
| 16:33.41 | roadfish | I'm seem to get lilo by default and was wondering if grub is easier to manage. |
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| 16:33.52 | Tassium | LILO is hard to manage? |
| 16:34.00 | zinx | hmm.. doesn't sarge install grub by default? |
| 16:34.08 | tralala | did for me |
| 16:34.16 | Tassium | zinx: I got LILO. |
| 16:34.20 | zinx | weird. |
| 16:34.23 | ^Nikos | test.pl: perl script text executable |
| 16:34.23 | ^Nikos | upload.pl: UTF-8 Unicode text |
| 16:34.24 | roadfish | ok, I must have messed something up |
| 16:34.26 | ^Nikos | sorry |
| 16:34.35 | Craigevil | Yes it shoudl install grub , even Etch installs grub |
| 16:34.46 | ^Nikos | dell:/var/www/cgi-bin# umount /media/hdb3 |
| 16:34.46 | ^Nikos | umount: /media/hdb3: device is bu |
| 16:34.51 | ^Nikos | damn why it wonr get unmounted? |
| 16:34.58 | MyWay | ok stew no more this error |
| 16:35.01 | ^Nikos | i am not in the mounetd folder |
| 16:35.06 | nse | because it is busy |
| 16:35.23 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Because it's in use. Do you have any files open from there? (Maybe a backgrounded/suspended process you forgot about?) |
| 16:35.34 | MyWay | stew how the command was? apt-get install linux-image? |
| 16:35.37 | ^Nikos | Tassium, not as far as i know |
| 16:35.39 | MyWay | can you give me it again? |
| 16:35.49 | ^Nikos | and no nautllus either that display the mounetd devi\ce folder |
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| 16:36.14 | Tassium | ^Nikos: You should be able to use the "fuser" command to find out what files are open |
| 16:36.52 | ^Nikos | and gibe it what option Tassium ? |
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| 16:37.22 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Crap, I don't know. I haven't had to use it myself. |
| 16:37.37 | tralala | ^Nikos: -m iinm |
| 16:38.03 | ^Nikos | dell:/var/www/cgi-bin# fuser -m iinm |
| 16:38.03 | ^Nikos | iinm: No such file or directory |
| 16:38.22 | tralala | !tell ^Nikos -about iinm |
| 16:38.45 | Craigevil | ^Nikos have you tried forcing it unmount -f |
| 16:38.56 | tralala | ^Nikos: fuser has a manual as well |
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| 16:39.24 | kspath | tralala: but man pages have so very many words |
| 16:39.45 | kspath | tralala: effort is so effort like |
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| 16:40.21 | tralala | kspath: yeah, even when you know the option. But what can we do? It's a cruel world we're living in. |
| 16:40.31 | kspath | tralala: hehehe |
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| 16:40.41 | ^Nikos | it sunbleibe |
| 16:40.43 | aXp | hi all! |
| 16:40.47 | ^Nikos | i cvan unmount my vfat partition |
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| 16:41.15 | aXp | which scripts are executed first: S## or K## in rc#.d? |
| 16:41.34 | SerajewelKS | aXp: that depends on what you're doing |
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| 16:41.44 | secher | what's the path to the sources in ftp.debian.org? I can't seem to find them. |
| 16:41.52 | anika | hola alguna chico guapo |
| 16:42.01 | SerajewelKS | !es |
| 16:42.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:42.03 | nse | !es |
| 16:42.13 | SerajewelKS | !win me |
| 16:42.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, serajewelks! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 16:42.13 | anika | nse |
| 16:42.21 | anika | guapo |
| 16:42.22 | kspath | anika: Solamente Ingles #debian |
| 16:42.26 | nse | nice try |
| 16:42.40 | SerajewelKS | nse: :> |
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| 16:45.02 | Supaplex | !confuse all of you |
| 16:45.02 | dpkg | Yes, where are our pants yesterday, all of you? lederhosen of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 16:45.08 | kYuZz | hi guys, how can I generate a single file with md5 hashes of all files in a directory tree? |
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| 16:45.57 | kspath | kYuZz: Learn to script. |
| 16:46.08 | lastnode | im stuck in cli atm, ive apt-getted gdm/gnome. but x wont start. how do i configure it? |
| 16:46.10 | kYuZz | i tried find /dir | md5sum |
| 16:46.10 | boguh | whith which tool can i convert text files from latin1 to utf8? |
| 16:46.16 | kYuZz | but it is not correct |
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| 16:46.36 | kspath | kYuZz: learn how to use find command. |
| 16:46.42 | kspath | kYuZz: man find |
| 16:47.01 | kYuZz | kspath: i need only this info |
| 16:47.10 | kYuZz | man is not tought to be simple to read |
| 16:47.12 | tralala | kYuZz: find /dir | xargs md5sum |
| 16:47.24 | kYuZz | thanky you very much tralala |
| 16:47.24 | SerajewelKS | tralala: that will fail miserably if any files contain spaces |
| 16:47.25 | lastnode | is it x --configure? |
| 16:47.27 | secher | at the risk of being reprimanded, i'll ask again. does anyone know the path to the soruces in ftp.debian.org? I've been looking for a while, but can't seem to find them. |
| 16:47.34 | SerajewelKS | tralala: filenames rather |
| 16:47.42 | kspath | kYuZz: Do you understand this is not a random shell scripting help channel? |
| 16:47.46 | SerajewelKS | secher: google debian mirror list |
| 16:48.14 | kYuZz | kspath: you're right, of course, but i really don't know where to ask |
| 16:48.22 | tralala | SerajewelKS: yes it will. It will also fail for the directory names. |
| 16:48.31 | secher | serajewe_: I'm using a mirror.. ok, I'll do as you suggested. |
| 16:48.36 | kspath | kYuZz: #bash #zsh ... else study which is what you should be doing. |
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| 16:48.54 | kYuZz | ok, sorry |
| 16:48.56 | kYuZz | bye |
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| 16:48.59 | kspath | kYuZz: What will happen next time you "only need this"? |
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| 16:49.09 | SerajewelKS | tralala: something like: find -type f -print0 /dir | xargs -0 md5sum |
| 16:49.12 | dfdf | hello |
| 16:49.14 | lastnode | ive apt-getted x11-common, is there any other package i should need? |
| 16:49.28 | tralala | SerajewelKS: yeah, but it wasn't me who needed it |
| 16:49.30 | SerajewelKS | lastnode: xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:49.36 | aXp | in which order are the S## and K## scripts executed in rc0.d ? alphabetical? |
| 16:49.38 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i know |
| 16:49.45 | hddcdfd0 | how to pregram a fsck at next boot? |
| 16:49.47 | Tassium | aXp: Numeric. |
| 16:49.51 | SerajewelKS | aXp: that depends on what initlevel you are changing from |
| 16:49.57 | Dorfl | Hello, I'm looking for a wireless access point scanner [eg in coffee shops] for a roaming laptop, that supports ndiswrappered drivers please. |
| 16:49.58 | hddcdfd0 | how to program a fsck at next boot? |
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| 16:50.24 | Tassium | hddcdfd0: I think you can use tune2fs to do that |
| 16:50.29 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: man shutdown |
| 16:50.31 | Dorfl | One that is purely console based, even, as I have no desktops installed. |
| 16:50.55 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: shutdown? |
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| 16:51.10 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: type 'man shutdown' and read |
| 16:51.14 | secher | Heh, what happened to the time when CLI was a perfectly acceptable and even admired method of using GNU/Linux? |
| 16:51.41 | SerajewelKS | secher: as far as i know, nothing happened |
| 16:51.45 | lastnode | SerajewelKS: sorry my irssi scrolled up. what's the second package name? tabbing between terms here |
| 16:51.57 | SerajewelKS | lastnode: xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:52.03 | lastnode | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 16:52.04 | SerajewelKS | lastnode: which distribution of debian are you using |
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| 16:52.29 | lastnode | SerajewelKS: i debootstrapped etch |
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| 16:52.42 | SerajewelKS | lastnode: then you want xserver-xorg |
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| 16:52.51 | lastnode | SerajewelKS: not xfree86? |
| 16:52.56 | lastnode | i mean, not both, SerajewelKS? |
| 16:52.58 | SerajewelKS | lastnode: no, because xfree86 doesn't exist in etch |
| 16:53.07 | SerajewelKS | lastnode: why should you need two X servers |
| 16:53.07 | lastnode | SerajewelKS: ok, cool :) |
| 16:53.23 | lastnode | SerajewelKS: yeah i was about to ask that. sorry. :) in gentoo it's just called xorg-x11 |
| 16:53.28 | lastnode | the portage package i mean |
| 16:53.48 | SerajewelKS | lastnode: that would be xorg, yes. same as xserver-xorg. |
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| 16:55.25 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: what uyou suggested me has no sense |
| 16:55.34 | hedpe | if my initrd is 1MB in size, in the kernel configuration do i need to set the default RAM disk size to > 1MB ? |
| 16:55.34 | peterrooney | stew: Thank you! 341622 now has a patch available. So how blind was i to not be able to find it on the b.d.o website? |
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| 16:55.43 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: probably because you didn't read the manpage |
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| 16:56.04 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: i read all |
| 16:56.10 | hddcdfd0 | red |
| 16:56.11 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: did you look at the -F option |
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| 16:56.23 | hddcdfd0 | yes |
| 16:56.27 | hddcdfd0 | fast |
| 16:56.29 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: there is your answer then |
| 16:56.32 | hddcdfd0 | skip |
| 16:56.37 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: fast? skip? what? |
| 16:56.38 | hddcdfd0 | no |
| 16:56.47 | tralala | !tell hddcdfd0 -about enter |
| 16:56.56 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: -f skip the check |
| 16:56.56 | aXp | SerajewelKS, if iam going to init0, rc0.d is executed and in rc0.d there are S## and K## is K## executed before S## or the other way round? |
| 16:57.03 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: i said -F, not -f |
| 16:57.05 | Dorfl | So far, all I have found is kismet which specifically does not work with ndiswrapper. |
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| 16:57.23 | hddcdfd0 | i check again |
| 16:57.29 | SerajewelKS | aXp: K are executed first, but since one of the K in rc0.d is to shutdown, the S's won't ever be executed |
| 16:57.43 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: as i said, if you bothered to read all of the options, you'd have your answer by now |
| 16:57.45 | apachelogger | oh please please please, I need someone with a sarge pbuilder :'-( |
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| 16:58.03 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: you can make a sarge pbuilder yourself... |
| 16:58.07 | lastnode | SerajewelKS: i apt-getted it, configged it, but it dies, how can i config it again? |
| 16:58.07 | aXp | SerajewelKS, thx! |
| 16:58.16 | SerajewelKS | aXp: np |
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| 16:58.28 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: would take far too long with my throughput |
| 16:58.29 | aXp | lastnode, dpkg --reconfigure <package> |
| 16:58.44 | tralala | Dorfl: iwlist <iface> scanning |
| 16:58.53 | kspath | apachelogger: Did you do a apt-cache search pbuilder ? |
| 16:58.53 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: now i read again |
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| 16:59.31 | apachelogger | kspath: I would need packages in less than an hour |
| 16:59.33 | rann | hi people! |
| 16:59.46 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: in my man -F there is not, im sorry |
| 16:59.48 | apachelogger | else we can't create klik packages :| |
| 16:59.55 | Dorfl | tralala: That gives me "No scan results", when I know for a fact that there are hotspots in range [as verified by using this wifi adapter with my windows desktop]. |
| 16:59.56 | kspath | apachelogger: If your throughput is whatever how the EFF will anyone else get it to you? |
| 16:59.59 | aXp | lastnode, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:00.00 | rann | i have a question about the auto loading of modules in debian stable (with linux 2.6.x) |
| 17:00.10 | rann | where is this controlled? |
| 17:00.19 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: what do you need |
| 17:00.24 | rann | i don't have "discover" |
| 17:00.33 | cbr | fontconfig 2.2.x made my fonts all pretty and antialiased.. is it supposed to do that? :p |
| 17:00.36 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: a backport of latest amaroK package |
| 17:00.41 | tralala | Dorfl: try a few more times |
| 17:00.47 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: which distribution are you using |
| 17:00.54 | apachelogger | unfortunately the maintainer is @ debconf :S |
| 17:01.02 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: i will try, give me a minute or two |
| 17:01.05 | kspath | apachelogger: try asking in #debian-kde |
| 17:01.07 | tralala | Dorfl: is your interface in managed mode? |
| 17:01.10 | rann | lsmod gives me many modules that are apperently autoloaded, but i don't want anything autoloaded; does hotplug+udev do this? |
| 17:01.23 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: sarge the latest stable in italian |
| 17:01.29 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: then you have -F |
| 17:01.33 | tralala | rann: yes. |
| 17:01.39 | Dorfl | tralala: So says iwconfig. What does this mean? |
| 17:01.40 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: no |
| 17:01.44 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: yes |
| 17:01.56 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: would be soooooooooooooooo cool |
| 17:02.03 | rann | tralala: can i disable autoloading? or do i need to whitelist/blacklist stuff? |
| 17:02.07 | hddcdfd0 | woul you like to send the output in private? |
| 17:02.07 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: try 'shutdown -F now' and see what happens |
| 17:02.14 | tralala | Dorfl: it means station mode (for AP connection) |
| 17:02.17 | K|NgGh0sT | Whats the syntex to make KDE my default GUI? |
| 17:02.20 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: btw, libtag 1.4 which is probably needed is available from http://people.debian.org/~adeodato/packages/ |
| 17:02.36 | tralala | rann: you need to blacklist the modules you don't want |
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| 17:03.24 | Dorfl | tralala: Is this what I would want for roaming? Similarly, would it not show encrypted networks in that scanning result? |
| 17:03.27 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: what does this say on your system: man -P 'grep -e -F' shutdown |
| 17:03.40 | rann | you see, i'm a bit confused as to how. i was used to /etc/modules in the past, then i saw "discover", and then i saw udev+hotplug. |
| 17:04.02 | SerajewelKS | rann: do you have both udev and hotplug installed? |
| 17:04.06 | rann | i'm pretty sure i should use only the latter |
| 17:04.07 | rann | yes |
| 17:04.14 | rann | i purged discover |
| 17:04.19 | SerajewelKS | rann: you mean 'dpkg -l udev hotplug' says that both are installed? |
| 17:04.29 | rann | yeps |
| 17:04.33 | SerajewelKS | rann: purge hotplug. now. |
| 17:04.46 | rann | but udev depends on it; |
| 17:04.51 | SerajewelKS | rann: udev provides it |
| 17:04.55 | tralala | udev conflicts with hotplug |
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| 17:05.04 | SerajewelKS | rann: udev replaces hotplug. having both installed can cause major problems. |
| 17:05.09 | stew | tralala: SerajewelKS: he's running stable, you guys are thinking of testing/unstable |
| 17:05.22 | SerajewelKS | stew: udev is available on stable? |
| 17:05.22 | stew | !depends udev stable |
| 17:05.28 | stew | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 17:05.29 | rann | did i mention i'm running on stable? |
| 17:05.30 | tralala | stew: I'm running stable |
| 17:05.34 | SerajewelKS | stew: O_o |
| 17:05.35 | dpkg | udev: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17), initscripts (>= 2.85-16), makedev (>= 2.3.1-77), sed (>= 3.95) |
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| 17:05.44 | stew | depends on hotplug |
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| 17:06.07 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: so you want the testing amarok sources compiled against stable? |
| 17:06.08 | tralala | oh wait, I have backports |
| 17:06.09 | rann | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of hotplug: udev depends on hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17) |
| 17:06.37 | tralala | rann: well nevermind, use blacklist |
| 17:06.53 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: afaik it will compile (just that a libtag backport is need), I actually need a backported package |
| 17:07.17 | quitte | can gnupg encrypt streams? |
| 17:07.18 | rann | kay, and should i do that in udev configs or in hotplug configs? |
| 17:07.23 | tralala | Dorfl: it shows encrypted networks (wep) but it is not related to roaming |
| 17:07.25 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: right, you want the testing source package built in a stable environment |
| 17:07.36 | SerajewelKS | quitte: sure, so long as the stream ends at some point |
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| 17:07.37 | apachelogger | aye :D |
| 17:07.41 | tralala | rann: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 17:07.47 | rann | THX! |
| 17:07.52 | grendal_prime | anyone ever set up yahoo-transport on jabber server? |
| 17:07.53 | SerajewelKS | !thx |
| 17:07.53 | dpkg | thx is, like, a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. THX is also sound technology associated with George Lucas. |
| 17:08.03 | quitte | SerajewelKS: it does. i was thinking of tar. great :) |
| 17:08.15 | SerajewelKS | quitte: indeed. tar -c /foo |
| 17:08.27 | SerajewelKS | quitte: indeed. tar -c /foo | gpg -e > somefile.tar.gpg |
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| 17:08.54 | quitte | SerajewelKS: perfect. now i have to figure out how to let amanda know about it. |
| 17:08.56 | SerajewelKS | quitte: i hate keyboards that have the enter key as a backwards L that covers where | usually is |
| 17:09.05 | quitte | heh |
| 17:09.31 | SerajewelKS | quitte: for backing up stuff to a public server i generally do: tar -jc /foo | gpg -es | ssh me@server 'cat > backup.tar.bz2.gpg' |
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| 17:09.43 | K|NgGh0sT | Whats the syntex to make KDE my default GUI? instead of just x? |
| 17:09.51 | SerajewelKS | quitte: there are reasons i love linux, and that is one of them |
| 17:09.56 | K|NgGh0sT | so I dont have to startkde everytime |
| 17:10.08 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: edit your ~/.Xsession? |
| 17:11.01 | quitte | SerajewelKS: i want it to be incremental.or my gmailaccount will explode ;) |
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| 17:11.21 | SerajewelKS | quitte: well how you handle that is up to you then |
| 17:12.14 | Tallu | Uhm, I'm looking into the chance of running active directory on a debian server.. anyone care to give me some instructions or point me to a pile of reading? I wouldn't mind either. :) |
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| 17:12.28 | SerajewelKS | Tallu: google probably has some |
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| 17:13.26 | K|NgGh0sT | SerajewelKS, what line do I edit? |
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| 17:13.52 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: do you have a ~/.Xsession right now? |
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| 17:14.23 | Tallu | SerajewelKS: I figured as much. Just thought that maybe someone had used a really useful documentation and would like to point me to it. =) Ah well. I'll keep looking. |
| 17:14.31 | K|NgGh0sT | I thought you were refering to /etc/X11/xsessio.d |
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| 17:14.35 | diza | can anyone recommend a good CMS |
| 17:14.44 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: no, the ~/ specifically diverted that possibility |
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| 17:14.54 | diza | thats easy to manage and stuff |
| 17:14.54 | K|NgGh0sT | then no |
| 17:15.02 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: make one, and put 'startkde' in it |
| 17:15.10 | SerajewelKS | diza: google |
| 17:15.15 | tralala | Tallu: a quick searching in the repository discoverd adtool. It's not a server but it might be a starting point of finding one. |
| 17:15.18 | diza | no |
| 17:15.34 | SerajewelKS | diza: this is a debian support channel |
| 17:15.37 | diza | if you can't help me then dont |
| 17:15.43 | Tallu | tralala: thanks! |
| 17:15.50 | SerajewelKS | diza: ask somewhere else |
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| 17:15.57 | appelza | Hi guys, I'm trying to make a .deb file but I'm getting this message : dpkg-deb: conffile `/etc/exim/pieteristheexim_god.conf' does not appear in package ; but it is! |
| 17:16.01 | appelza | please help :D |
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| 17:16.58 | diza | can anyone recommend a good cms that is available from apt? |
| 17:17.00 | kspath | diza: apt-cache search cms |
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| 17:17.33 | diza | yeah i've already done that |
| 17:17.51 | diza | theres a whole list |
| 17:18.02 | kspath | diza: Try them and decide what/which is "good" in your opinion. |
| 17:18.05 | jjazz | diza: They're all different. Depends what you need. |
| 17:18.22 | jjazz | diza: Different languages, feature sets, philoosphies, back ends, etc. |
| 17:18.41 | tralala | diza: zope |
| 17:18.42 | K|NgGh0sT | SerajewelKS, I did it, and X still loads and KDE does not |
| 17:18.47 | kspath | diza: google and other search engines will give you a few web sites about CMS and related "tools". |
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| 17:19.06 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: how are you starting x |
| 17:19.18 | jetscreamer | plone |
| 17:19.27 | Linuturk | I've got a tight budget, and I'm setting up a server to handle a couple of things. a) apache web server b) PHP c) mySQL d) data storage and backup e) workstation Active Directory like control f) scalability to many locations in the future |
| 17:19.28 | Linuturk | I'm also setting up a few workstations to handle a) browsing our browser based POS system (cash register) b) Printing of documents and reciepts (possibly with special reciept hardware) c) Word Processing and image editing |
| 17:19.28 | Linuturk | Would debian be able to fill these needs? |
| 17:19.29 | K|NgGh0sT | whatever the default way is |
| 17:19.30 | jetscreamer | try startkde |
| 17:19.37 | kspath | poop |
| 17:19.51 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: xdm? |
| 17:19.57 | K|NgGh0sT | I use kdm |
| 17:20.14 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: then select 'kde' in the session list |
| 17:20.16 | jjazz | Linuturk: It should, although I don't know about open source POS software. |
| 17:20.16 | jetscreamer | K|NgGh0sT: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
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| 17:20.47 | jetscreamer | yes Linuturk it can |
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| 17:20.52 | jjazz | Linuturk: If it can be done in Firefox, then sure, but if it requires special software, then perhaps not. |
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| 17:21.13 | K|NgGh0sT | thanks guys |
| 17:21.14 | Linuturk | jjazz: I'm using PHP Point of Sale, a browser based POS system. I already have that setup. it's only requirements are an xamp server |
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| 17:21.31 | jetscreamer | !xamp |
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| 17:21.37 | jetscreamer | ah lamp |
| 17:21.37 | ^Nikos | hi folks |
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| 17:21.45 | jetscreamer | !lamp |
| 17:21.45 | dpkg | from memory, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 17:21.49 | jjazz | Linuturk: no problem |
| 17:22.07 | Linuturk | also, I'll need remote desktop like remote management, b/c I'll be two hours away |
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| 17:22.10 | kspath | DAPP = Debian Apache PostgreSQL Perl Python |
| 17:22.17 | jjazz | Linuturk: Again, no problem |
| 17:22.21 | ^Nikos | when i transfer fiels with greek filanems form ext3 to vfat then when i reboot in xp i see the filanems as ÎιογÏαÏÎ¹ÎºÏ - Îάγια.doc Any idea why? |
| 17:22.47 | simonrvn | windows sucks? |
| 17:22.49 | jetscreamer | xp doesn't have the support? |
| 17:22.56 | zhengyi | LAMR - Linux, Apache, MySQL, Rails |
| 17:22.59 | Linuturk | it can handle a mixed enviroment of XP Home, and the debian workstations |
| 17:23.04 | ^Nikos | maybe |
| 17:23.11 | ^Nikos | the contents is ok |
| 17:23.11 | kspath | simonrvn: I removed all windows from my house so I can get a nice breeze. |
| 17:23.16 | miro_ | are you using non-ascii-characters for your filenames? |
| 17:23.16 | jetscreamer | don't use webmin |
| 17:23.18 | ^Nikos | but the filename is deispaleyd in greek |
| 17:23.18 | jetscreamer | !webimn |
| 17:23.22 | jetscreamer | err |
| 17:23.25 | appelza | Hi guys, I'm trying to make a .deb file but I'm getting this message : dpkg-deb: conffile `/etc/exim/pieteristheexim_god.conf' does not appear in package ; but it is! ANYONE? |
| 17:23.25 | SerajewelKS | ^Nikos: xp doesn't have proper UTF support |
| 17:23.27 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 17:23.27 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 17:23.28 | ^Nikos | miro_, yes |
| 17:23.33 | ^Nikos | the filkane sare in greek |
| 17:23.47 | miro_ | then this is the answer; fat(32) can't handle these characters |
| 17:23.49 | Linuturk | no, I won't be using that |
| 17:23.52 | simonrvn | kspath: see? i told you |
| 17:24.10 | ^Nikos | so then how am i gonan tranfer my files? |
| 17:24.15 | jetscreamer | appelza: it's because the filename isn't worthy |
| 17:24.25 | Linuturk | well, i'm setting all this up this weekend, so I'll be on here, no doubt |
| 17:24.29 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice pieter |
| 17:24.38 | simonrvn | it's only a wanna $DEITY |
| 17:24.38 | Linuturk | hopefully, you all can give me any help I need |
| 17:24.39 | tralala | ^Nikos: non-latin characters can be encoded differently. Perhaps your windows uses a certain kind of encoding while your linux uses another. |
| 17:24.57 | simonrvn | be* |
| 17:25.10 | jetscreamer | !tell Linuturk -about ask |
| 17:25.17 | jetscreamer | !tell Linuturk -about smart questions |
| 17:25.17 | ^Nikos | tralala, i see, but then how am i going to do it? |
| 17:25.30 | Linuturk | o, what should I format the harddrives with? FAT32? it's a mixed xp and linux enviroment |
| 17:25.35 | simonrvn | !do it |
| 17:25.49 | kspath | Linuturk: /msg dpkg research |
| 17:25.56 | miro_ | you may rename all the files into an ascii-conform-way |
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| 17:26.13 | tralala | ^Nikos: it could prove to be a picky task. If you really need it hire somebody to do it for you. |
| 17:26.16 | jetscreamer | Linuturk: for remote access you would use samba or something, the fs type wouldn't matter |
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| 17:26.35 | jetscreamer | remote/network |
| 17:26.36 | giacus | hello |
| 17:26.47 | K|NgGh0sT | now, time to make this DVB card work and I'll be tickeled pink |
| 17:26.55 | diza | i got it all x dro hard soft |
| 17:27.04 | giacus | I'm looking for help about compile an RTAI kernel on Debian, any idea ? |
| 17:27.07 | jetscreamer | !v4l |
| 17:27.07 | dpkg | v4l is probably video for linux. http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 17:27.09 | lewis | trying to use rsync with rssh - but keep getting errors - permissions of /usr/bin/rsync are fine (and the exact same rsync command runs fine with a normal shell) - please help: rssh[9486]: execv failed: cmd line rsync --server -vulogDtprz --delete . ./ |
| 17:27.32 | jetscreamer | rtai? |
| 17:27.37 | giacus | realtime |
| 17:28.00 | Tassium | giacus: So what part of it is giving you trouble? |
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| 17:28.10 | ^Nikos | so the answem is that vfat can handle it? |
| 17:28.12 | Linuturk | thanks, everyone has been a ton of help :) |
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| 17:28.39 | appelza | why isnt the filename worthy? |
| 17:28.40 | SerajewelKS | ^Nikos: i doubt it does |
| 17:28.42 | giacus | I tried to compile from source linux-2.6.10 + RTAI patches but it didint work .. |
| 17:28.43 | tralala | ^Nikos: as long as you are able to create files with greek names under windows, yes |
| 17:28.44 | lewis | from the client - I see: /usr/bin/cvs: execv() failed. rssh: rsync is not an executable file, or permission denied. |
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| 17:28.49 | appelza | give smart answers |
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| 17:29.14 | viator | hello |
| 17:29.34 | kspath | lewis: Are you aware that rssh has a mailing list you can ask? |
| 17:29.37 | rann | ok, i populated /etc/hotplug/blacklist with things i don't want loaded, however, it keeps loading everything it finds.. |
| 17:29.44 | ^Nikos | tralala, i converted them from linux fom iso-8859-7 to utf8. if i ls all looks fine but when i copy them to vfat i see ti weird |
| 17:29.45 | lewis | I couldn't find the answer I was looking for. |
| 17:29.59 | viator | i want to take this snapshot of fvwm and add this patch |
| 17:30.05 | viator | http://abdn.ac.uk/~u15dm4/fvwm/ |
| 17:30.15 | viator | BEFORE i install |
| 17:30.34 | viator | so i can make a debian package with the patch already applied |
| 17:30.39 | tralala | ^Nikos: I told you it's not going to be easy. |
| 17:31.02 | ^Nikos | tralala, i knwos that already iam frustrated days with this |
| 17:31.10 | ^Nikos | but its criucial to fix it |
| 17:31.12 | valdyn | ^Nikos: looks weird where? |
| 17:31.19 | ^Nikos | cause i work in my webpage both from linxu and win |
| 17:31.20 | viator | any ideas? |
| 17:31.26 | ^Nikos | in windows it llosk weird |
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| 17:31.36 | Tassium | viator: apt-get source fvwm, unpack it, patch it, make a deb of it |
| 17:31.36 | ^Nikos | in linux after the converison both conenct and name slooks fine |
| 17:31.46 | ^Nikos | ÎιογÏαÏÎ¹ÎºÏ - Îάγια.doc |
| 17:31.57 | ^Nikos | look how a doc file with greek name looks like |
| 17:31.59 | valdyn | ^Nikos: so your windows really does not use UTF-8 |
| 17:32.04 | ^Nikos | in windows after i have copied it from ext3 |
| 17:32.14 | viator | ill look at it |
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| 17:32.31 | starfishy | if anyone has a notebook with a soundblaster audigy integrated soundcard I'd appreciate the corresponding line from the lspci output |
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| 17:32.38 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 17:32.38 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 17:32.50 | starfishy | i think Dell cheated me out of the soundcard I ordered |
| 17:32.56 | ^Nikos | another thing is that when a have an english filename that i copy to win as utf8 |
| 17:32.58 | valdyn | ^Nikos: this is why there's codepages, you need to specific which to use when mounting a vfat volume |
| 17:33.02 | starfishy | i checked tuxmobil.org already |
| 17:33.20 | abrotman | starfishy: dell .. screw someone .. never .. they're the best company ever .. they make really good stuff </sarcasm> |
| 17:33.20 | kspath | starfishy: lspci and hwinfo apt-get install hwinfo |
| 17:33.21 | ^Nikos | so i must use auto,utf8 on vfat at mount time |
| 17:33.39 | Coweater | starfishy: you've run update-pciids and then lspci? |
| 17:33.41 | starfishy | kspath: i have my lspci line |
| 17:33.42 | stew | starfishy: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}'" say? |
| 17:33.43 | valdyn | ^Nikos: if your windows used utf-8 |
| 17:33.50 | starfishy | i just need the one with the Audigy for comparison |
| 17:33.57 | starfishy | mine shows Intel HD audio |
| 17:34.00 | ^Nikos | valdyn, ok ill boot at debian again |
| 17:34.08 | ^Nikos | and mout the vfat part with utf8 thsi time |
| 17:34.12 | ^Nikos | and then redo the file trranfer |
| 17:34.15 | abrotman | starfishy: what is your line? |
| 17:34.18 | ^Nikos | so to see if the problem contiunues |
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| 17:34.31 | ^Nikos | it just might work |
| 17:34.42 | starfishy | mine is: |
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| 17:35.22 | lewis | grr - anyone used rsync with rssh before? |
| 17:35.40 | appelza | omg, can someone please answer my question : dpkg-deb: conffile `/etc/exim/blah.conf' does not appear in package when i try dpgk -b [packagedir], but it does exist!!! :/ |
| 17:35.44 | valdyn | lewis: rsync over ssh? |
| 17:35.46 | starfishy | 0000:00:1b.0 0403 Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
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| 17:36.07 | starfishy | which, I suspect, is not a Soundblaster ;) |
| 17:36.09 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: what's the status quo? |
| 17:36.09 | abrotman | well golly .. i'd guess that's not an audigy :) |
| 17:36.28 | stew | starfishy: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}'" say? |
| 17:36.30 | valdyn | lewis: starfishy that is intel hd audio ) |
| 17:36.35 | starfishy | stew: says nothing |
| 17:36.38 | valdyn | starfishy: that is intel hd audio ) |
| 17:36.47 | smaug9 | where do i look for ssh issues, i was able to ssh into a remote box yesterday from my ip, then suddenly, i couldn't. I opened up my remote firewall to allow all from my ip, then disabled iptables on the remote box (ruunning sarge). Still, when I try to connect via ssh, i get connection timed out. I can ssh from other ip's though. I'm about to grep my entire filesystem for my ip, see if that turns anything up, there's nothing in /var/log, |
| 17:36.48 | smaug9 | nothing in hosts.deny, no fw. i'm stumped and frustrated. |
| 17:37.00 | starfishy | valdyn: i know, i just wanted to know what should be in there |
| 17:37.15 | Zugschlus | appelza: do not use exim 3 for new installs. |
| 17:37.40 | viator | question |
| 17:37.42 | lewis | valdyn: it is rsync over ssh (which works), but with a shell of /usr/bin/rssh (which doesn't work) |
| 17:37.48 | kspath | smaug9: telnet ###.###.###.### 22 does what? |
| 17:37.49 | viator | can i just apply that patch to the debian package |
| 17:37.50 | stew | starfishy: oh, hmm how about "lspci -n | awk '/1b\.0/{print $3}'" |
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| 17:38.03 | viator | that already exists |
| 17:38.04 | starfishy | stew: one sec |
| 17:38.12 | valdyn | lewis: maybe you have to specify /usr/bin/rsync instead of just 'rsync' |
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| 17:38.15 | Tassium | viator: The source package, probably. Not a binary. |
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| 17:38.53 | smaug9 | kspath: trying a.b.c.d..., then times out |
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| 17:39.31 | kspath | smaug9: routing? |
| 17:39.31 | starfishy | stew: 8086:27d8 |
| 17:39.32 | lewis | where would I specify that, on the client? |
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| 17:39.40 | lewis | that didn't have any effect. |
| 17:39.46 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: it needs libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 17:39.51 | stew | starfishy: grep 8086.\*27d8 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 17:39.53 | kYuZz | hi guys, i need to set up a modified netinstaller business card cd to install etch completely getting all the packages from a repository of my own |
| 17:39.56 | kspath | smaug9: If you turn on the remote firewall and telnet a.b.c.d 25 does it log an attempt to connect? |
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| 17:40.00 | hedpe | if i have setup an lvm2 partition, from what I understand 2.4 doesn't support lvm2, is there any way to use this partition and boot a 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:40.01 | stew | starfishy: it will tell you which kernel module supports it |
| 17:40.22 | kYuZz | the problem is that i can't install the kernel and its related packages, because they cannot be authenticated |
| 17:40.24 | starfishy | stew: snd-hda-intel 0x00008086 0x000027d8 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 17:40.33 | starfishy | as suspected: Intel HD audio |
| 17:40.38 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: remove the build dep from the control file and check the rules file for an argument saying --enable-mysql <-- remove that |
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| 17:40.40 | Zugschlus | appelza: don't talk in private, stay in channel please |
| 17:40.41 | smaug9 | kspath: no, it doesn't log anything |
| 17:40.50 | Zugschlus | (has dpkt a factoid for that?) |
| 17:40.51 | kYuZz | i rebuilt the debian-archive-keyring-udeb package with my own public keys but it doesn't work |
| 17:40.52 | Zugschlus | dpkg even |
| 17:40.53 | dpkg | odd |
| 17:40.55 | kspath | smaug9: mtr a.b.c.d does what? |
| 17:41.11 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: you use SQLite? |
| 17:41.17 | stew | starfishy: at least they didn't send you a completely unsupported card, which is what they were doing for a while with "sb live" cards previously iirc |
| 17:41.23 | kspath | smaug9: traceroute a.b.c.d does what? ping a.b.c.d does what? It is not debian issue. |
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| 17:42.14 | smaug9 | kspath: i didn't think it was a debian issue, just wanted to get people's thoughts on it. I'll look into a routing issue. thanks |
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| 17:42.24 | starfishy | Stew: yeah, but they docked me $25 for it, so Id appreciate getting something for it |
| 17:42.26 | kYuZz | hi guys, i need to set up a modified netinstaller business card cd to install etch completely getting all the packages from a repository of my own. the problem is that i can't install the kernel and its related packages, because they cannot be authenticated. i have rebuilt the debian-archive-keyring-udeb package with my own public keys and put it in the cd, but it doesn't work |
| 17:42.26 | lewis | how do I edit /etc/apt/sources.lst to get the testing version of a particular package? |
| 17:42.39 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: yep |
| 17:42.45 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: alrighty |
| 17:42.48 | kYuZz | lewis: search documentation about pinning |
| 17:42.49 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell lewis about pinning |
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| 17:43.10 | sid | !tell kYuZz about 2006 key |
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| 17:43.39 | kYuZz | it's not the answer i need |
| 17:43.49 | kYuZz | i have made changes to the repository |
| 17:44.01 | kYuZz | so the Release signature is not the same |
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| 17:44.13 | kYuZz | i created a new Release.gpg file |
| 17:44.50 | kYuZz | and i put my public keyring in the debian-archive-keyring-udeb package in the repository in the business card cd |
| 17:45.10 | kYuZz | i can't understand where is my fault |
| 17:45.42 | roadfish | is there a way to step through the scripts of the initramfs operations to determine the failure point? |
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| 17:45.49 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 17:45.49 | dpkg | [custom netinst] http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 17:46.01 | Ciaran_H | Hi all. |
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| 17:46.21 | kYuZz | minchia =) |
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| 17:47.24 | sussudio_ | is there any advantage to having 2 500mhz processors instead of 1 gigahertz one? |
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| 17:47.56 | iter | I would be interested to see the #'s on that |
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| 17:48.15 | sussudio_ | i don't really see it |
| 17:48.45 | sussudio_ | i'm looking to give Piggy a faster cpu |
| 17:48.54 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: same for libpq-dev i assume |
| 17:49.09 | sussudio_ | running debstats kinda bogs down the pc. |
| 17:49.17 | lewis | anything wrong with downloading the .deb of a testing package, and installing it on a stable system? |
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| 17:49.26 | lewis | (just rssh) |
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| 17:49.28 | sussudio_ | lewis: yes |
| 17:49.29 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: yeah :) |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | lewis: yes .. just about everything |
| 17:49.35 | lewis | bah |
| 17:49.38 | SerajewelKS | lewis: if it even works it's bad |
| 17:49.42 | abrotman | !tell lewis about backports |
| 17:49.44 | SerajewelKS | lewis: backport it |
| 17:49.48 | sussudio_ | !french fries |
| 17:49.48 | abrotman | sussudio_: yes .. there is |
| 17:49.48 | dpkg | french fries are what you get when you cut a potato up into little chunks and boil them in grease. Kinda like the result when you try to install testing or unstable packages on your potato Debian system. |
| 17:50.03 | sussudio_ | abrotman: like what |
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| 17:51.01 | lewis | ok - thanks |
| 17:51.19 | lewis | lastly, reckon Etch will be stable by the end of 2006? |
| 17:51.28 | blondie | who knows |
| 17:51.35 | abrotman | sussudio_: when things crap out and spiral out of control .. which normally sucks your whole CPU .. it only takes one .. you still have another to hunt down and kill the process |
| 17:51.40 | Tassium | It'll be ready when it's ready, lewis |
| 17:52.02 | hazard_ | is there an easy way to test to see if there is a floppy in fd0 (other than just trying to mount it)? |
| 17:52.04 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 17:52.04 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00000.html |
| 17:52.20 | hazard_ | For that matter, is there an easy way to test to see if fd0 exsists? |
| 17:52.24 | seb- | How do you pronounce Dijkstra ? |
| 17:52.29 | sussudio_ | abrotman: so what you're saying is that it normally only uses 1 cpu, thus running mostly the same as it would with 1 cpu? |
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| 17:53.22 | jplibre | anyone here use nagios? I'm trying to find the user profile link but it's not on any of our pages |
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| 17:53.32 | ^Nikos | valdyn, you were right man |
| 17:53.41 | Ciaran_H | I'm using dropbear on a Debian box that I manage. I'm just wondering how come the Debian package for dropbear (in stable/testing/unstable, at least) doesn't include a binary for scp? As far as I know the normal dropbear package installs it, from what I've found by Googling it. |
| 17:53.42 | jplibre | seb-: probably "dyke-stra" |
| 17:53.43 | ^Nikos | it was the mount option that was lacking |
| 17:53.49 | seb- | if you see the j as a y then it makes sense |
| 17:53.57 | ^Nikos | i copied them with utf8 |
| 17:54.05 | ^Nikos | and now greek filanems also looks correct |
| 17:54.08 | jplibre | seb-: j is like a y in many languages |
| 17:54.10 | starfishy | gotta love Indian techncal support |
| 17:54.16 | ^Nikos | but plz look at nikos.no-ip.org |
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| 17:54.31 | ^Nikos | although the fiels are in greek look how athey are diapsleyd in the drop down men u |
| 17:54.54 | jplibre | seb-: most languages even :) |
| 17:54.56 | viator | ok how do i make a .deb out of this source file |
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| 17:55.08 | Ciaran_H | viator: Try checkinstall. |
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| 17:55.54 | viator | what if i dont want to install it? |
| 17:56.01 | stew | viator: /msg dpkg source ; get the debian source and see if the patches apply cleanly to the debian source first |
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| 17:56.56 | Ciaran_H | viator: I'm not sure about directly making a .deb, but if you have root on the system you could always just dpkg -P it afterwards. |
| 17:57.10 | starfishy | Wow, the customer support guy just told me Dell is selling Sigmatel chips as SB Audigy |
| 17:57.39 | sussudio_ | starfishy: they also put audigies in dells without a hardware dsp |
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| 17:57.51 | starfishy | yeah |
| 17:57.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:57.52 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 17:58.43 | Craigevil | why do people care when Debian releases? As long as my system is updated what does it matter? |
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| 17:59.09 | tarzeau | Craigevil: not everybody has internet |
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| 17:59.13 | stew | Craigevil: becuase until it does, there is not good security support for etch |
| 17:59.17 | Craigevil | The whole new release thing like Ubuntu does is more of a pain than anything else |
| 17:59.25 | tarzeau | Craigevil: and some people don't have the time to fix other peoples boxes (and some can't fix their own ones) |
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| 17:59.30 | wmcinnis | hi i got a question i got a new dell with a dual 2.8 xeons |
| 17:59.34 | tarzeau | Craigevil: i agree |
| 17:59.35 | Craigevil | Etch has its own security repo |
| 17:59.44 | wmcinnis | its my server can i use ia64 |
| 17:59.45 | tarzeau | Craigevil: i wouldn't ever use testing |
| 17:59.46 | roadfish | if I start up Debian single user mode, which script do I invoke to start single-stepping through the initramfs scripts? |
| 17:59.48 | wmcinnis | is that 64bit |
| 17:59.49 | abrotman | sussudio_: i'm saying it would allow you a CPU to recover from a broken process on the other CPU |
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| 17:59.54 | stew | Craigevil: yes, but has only ever gotten 3 or 4 security updates |
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| 18:00.15 | sussudio_ | abrotman: i haven't seen one of those on Piggy yet |
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| 18:00.23 | Craigevil | hm i use Sid so it gets lots of updates lol |
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| 18:00.49 | viator | shit gotta go back to work lunch is over :P ill try it later |
| 18:00.52 | valdyn | !ia64 |
| 18:00.53 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion, it is NOT ia64 |
| 18:00.53 | viator | thanks |
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| 18:00.55 | tarzeau | Craigevil: what are the top 10 applications you use? |
| 18:00.59 | appelza | Zugschlus, im not trying to do anything with exim 3 |
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| 18:01.25 | appelza | I'm trying to modify the exim4's conf .deb package and replace the .conf files in there with my custom conf files |
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| 18:01.38 | appelza | but when i try a dpkg -b it gives me : |
| 18:01.39 | Craigevil | firefox, kplayer, xchat, gaim, superkaramba, rox filier, |
| 18:01.39 | wmcinnis | valdyn so thats a no |
| 18:01.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: how do you like that pipegame from happypengaroo? |
| 18:01.51 | valdyn | wmcinnis: yes |
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| 18:02.11 | appelza | dpkg-deb: conffile `/etc/exim4/conf.d/blah does not appear in package |
| 18:02.24 | appelza | if anyone could help i'd GREATLY apreciate it |
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| 18:02.30 | Craigevil | anyone know a link to get a Touchpad working on a Dell laptop? |
| 18:02.33 | Morden | anyone knows how to isntall this usin cpan shell: http://search.cpan.org/~rosch/mime-construct-1.9/ |
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| 18:02.47 | stew | Craigevil: /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 18:02.48 | valdyn | dpkg, ia64 =~ s#turion#turion/xeon# |
| 18:02.48 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 18:02.51 | stew | Craigevil: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 18:03.17 | Tassium | Morden: apt-get install mime-construct ? |
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| 18:03.21 | Craigevil | i have all the various synaptics packages imstalled |
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| 18:03.51 | SerajewelKS | how can i install a specific .deb package inside a pbuilder chroot before building the package? |
| 18:03.52 | Craigevil | they all load and i can check and uncheck the diff options but no touchpad |
| 18:04.05 | Morden | Tassium: Thx... I tried to get hold of the module through the cpan shell :) |
| 18:04.09 | SerajewelKS | before the target package's build-deps are even resolved |
| 18:05.16 | Tassium | Morden: Avoid using the CPAN shell at all costs if you can help it |
| 18:05.23 | Ciaran_H | Tassium: Huh, interesting. I'd have expected that to be libmime-construct-perl, rather than just mime-construct. How come it's different? |
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| 18:05.29 | stew | Craigevil: put your xorg.conf and your Xorg.0.log into a pastebin; what version of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics do you have installed? |
| 18:05.41 | Ciaran_H | Oh, I see. |
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| 18:05.45 | Ciaran_H | It's not actually a module. |
| 18:05.46 | hobophobe | Is there any difference/advantage to using the name 'sid' for the repos. vs. using 'unstable' for it? |
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| 18:06.03 | Tassium | Ciaran_H: Beats me, I just found it using apt-cache search |
| 18:06.05 | stew | hobophobe: no |
| 18:06.07 | SerajewelKS | hobophobe: in unstable's case, no |
| 18:06.08 | haldrik | hola haldriktercero |
| 18:06.09 | Ciaran_H | hobophobe: No, they're equivalent. Sid will always be unstable. |
| 18:06.14 | hobophobe | ah okay |
| 18:06.30 | Ciaran_H | On the other hand, stable will not always be sarge, but you probably know that. |
| 18:06.38 | hobophobe | whereas if it was etch/testing, eventually etch will be stable, whereas testing will always be testing |
| 18:06.43 | stew | hobophobe: for testing/etch it's a different story, depending on what you want to have happen once etch releases |
| 18:07.20 | kspath | hobophobe: potato will not always be stable woody will not always be stable sarge will not always be stable |
| 18:07.37 | hobophobe | well good to know... I might change 'unstable' to 'sid' anyway since 'sid' sounds cooler |
| 18:07.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried oki ? it sucks |
| 18:07.49 | hobophobe | thanks guys |
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| 18:08.15 | Nin | hi there! |
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| 18:08.42 | Ciaran_H | Just so I'm sure about what happens - if you have sources.list set up to install from the "source" distro, am I right in thinking that even when etch is released, "apt-get upgrade" will still take from sarge *until* you do a "apt-get dist-upgrade"? Or am I wrong about what the difference between the two commands is? |
| 18:08.48 | Ciaran_H | Er. |
| 18:08.53 | Ciaran_H | Not "source", "stable". |
| 18:08.59 | Ciaran_H | Typo, sorry. |
| 18:09.19 | cyb3r | siema wam mam jedno pytanie mosze glopie ale czy ktos instalowal debiana muszac sie najp[ierw zarejestrowac na serwerze przez pppoe jesli tak to prosze o pomoc ;D |
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| 18:09.37 | sepski | Ciaran_H, if you have stable and you do apt-get upgrade after etch release you get etch. if you want to stay with sarge. use sarge instead of stable in sources |
| 18:09.40 | kspath | cyb3r: #debian.pl |
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| 18:09.53 | kspath | cyb3r: pa |
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| 18:10.28 | Ciaran_H | sepski: Okay. What's "apt-get dist-upgrade" for, then? |
| 18:10.32 | sepski | Ciaran_H, dist-upgrade is a more advanced upgrade that also pulls in new packages. |
| 18:10.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried this yet? http://www.happypenguin.org/images/md_game.jpg |
| 18:10.37 | cyb3r | dlaczego pa ?? |
| 18:10.39 | Ciaran_H | Okay. |
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| 18:11.17 | kspath | cyb3r: If you want to speak Polish or any other language other than English go to the respective channel or use English. |
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| 18:11.25 | Ciaran_H | sepski: So apt-get dist-upgrade will install any packages that happen to be new in etch? |
| 18:11.32 | Ciaran_H | Once it's released, I mean. |
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| 18:11.50 | Ciaran_H | Or you mean it'll install them if they're listed as dependencies? |
| 18:11.52 | cyb3r | ok |
| 18:12.02 | kspath | cyb3r: niema problemu |
| 18:12.09 | sepski | Ciaran_H, the last you said |
| 18:12.16 | Ciaran_H | sepski: Okay, thanks. |
| 18:12.21 | cyb3r | bye |
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| 18:12.36 | sepski | Ciaran_H, dont upgrade blindly. there are release notes for a reason |
| 18:12.47 | Ciaran_H | sepski: I wasn't planning to. |
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| 18:13.44 | Ciaran_H | By the way, did anybody see my question about dropbear? I can ask it again if it's wanted. |
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| 18:16.18 | cosmicassassin | New to Linux. My root partition is full, ~5Gb. Is there anywhere where useless files typically linger that I can get rid of? |
| 18:16.18 | secher | Now I'm confused. I'm running 2.6.14-2 kernel. I got the headers from debian's backports page and installed them. I set the KERNELDIRS env var to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-2. Then I ran module-assistant ( again ). I walk through everything, select ndiswrapper, tell it to build and it returns "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kern ver. could not be found. Any suggetstions> |
| 18:16.18 | syle | whats command used in debian to install packages |
| 18:16.24 | secher | whoops.. sorry. |
| 18:16.36 | syle | debian doesn;t use yum right |
| 18:16.54 | kspath | cosmicassassin: "useless"? /var/log/ has a number of files that "grow" var as in variable |
| 18:17.05 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 18:17.06 | dpkg | from memory, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 18:17.09 | valdyn | syle: ^^^ |
| 18:17.18 | MarGarina | "apt-get update" gives me a weird output lines like this: Get:5 2006-05-14-1332.37.pdiff [14.6kB]. any idea why/what it means? |
| 18:17.21 | stew | cosmicassassin: if /var is on your root drive, you could have lots of old .debs in /var/lib/apt/archives ; "apt-get clean" would get rid of them |
| 18:17.23 | kspath | cosmicassassin: /var exists is/with/for unix/linux/bsd |
| 18:17.32 | kspath | s/is/in/ |
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| 18:17.55 | cosmicassassin | kspath, /var is in root. Would it be inadvisable to rm * this place |
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| 18:18.10 | valdyn | MarGarina: package lists can be updated via a delta now instead of the full list |
| 18:18.10 | stew | cosmicassassin: that would be very inadvisable |
| 18:18.19 | kspath | cosmicassassin: You will want to learn/read/research/study. |
| 18:18.28 | Ciaran_H | cosmicassassin: "apt-get clean" is what stew suggested. |
| 18:18.29 | MarGarina | valdyn: ah it's a new feature.. I worried someone cracked into the repository.. |
| 18:18.31 | MarGarina | 10x |
| 18:19.08 | cosmicassassin | Ciaran_H, Did that, about 100Mb recovered. |
| 18:19.18 | cosmicassassin | I've tried searching on Google, but proved futile |
| 18:19.33 | kspath | b is often used for bits B is often used for bytes |
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| 18:19.49 | jplibre | for LVM striping, do the volumes have to be the same size (as with RAID)? |
| 18:19.52 | cosmicassassin | then it's MB, my bad |
| 18:20.00 | syle | there a command to install binary version of php? |
| 18:20.01 | jplibre | the PV physical volumes that is |
| 18:20.16 | valdyn | jplibre: no, why would they? |
| 18:20.19 | Ciaran_H | syle: Just apt-get the php package you want. |
| 18:20.33 | stew | cosmicassassin: cd / ; du -ks * | sort -n ; this will list files/directories smallest to largest, pick the biggest one, cd to it and repeat until you figure out where your space is going |
| 18:20.34 | syle | how can i see a list of what is available? |
| 18:20.49 | Tassium | syle: apt-cache search php | less |
| 18:21.11 | jplibre | valdyn: No idea, it shouldn't matter but we had an issue that I couldn't figure out |
| 18:21.12 | Ciaran_H | syle: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement#head-fa8e9f5612ec5a2ecdbe7ebb1b9f5c26bf9ea137 |
| 18:21.17 | kspath | Ciaran_H: It turned out to be possibly related to "debian" but your question about /var indicates that you will want to learn a lot more about /var and the reason/purpose behind what is there. |
| 18:21.48 | Ciaran_H | kspath: I didn't ask about /var, cosmicassassin did. |
| 18:22.03 | kspath | comicassassin: It turned out to be possibly related to "debian" but your question about /var indicates that you will want to learn a lot more about /var and the reason/purpose behind what is there. |
| 18:22.21 | kspath | Ciaran_H: Yes, you are quite correct. tab and enter can be a dangerous thing in my hands. |
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| 18:22.38 | Ciaran_H | kspath: Hehe. :) |
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| 18:23.49 | abrotman | sussudio_: i was just giving oyu an advantage |
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| 18:24.21 | cosmicassassin | stew, /var is twice as big as the next. I'll look online again for useful websites. |
| 18:24.55 | Ciaran_H | cosmicassassin: Check to see if you have anything in /var/tmp . |
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| 18:25.27 | cosmicassassin | Ciaran_H, yes, nothing big though, |
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| 18:25.58 | SmerdyOffice | I have installed both apache2 and lighttpd. How can I configure this so that apache2 starts on boot but lighttpd doesn't? |
| 18:26.04 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: libvisual0.2-dev isn't there either |
| 18:26.06 | cosmicassassin | Ciaran_H, seems like most of the bloat is in /var/log |
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| 18:26.15 | Ciaran_H | SmerdyOffice: Use update-rc.d to remove lighttpd. |
| 18:26.36 | SmerdyOffice | Ciaran_H, could you tell me the syntax? |
| 18:26.40 | Tassium | cosmicassassin: cd /var/log ; rm -r *.[3456789].gz (Or something like that) |
| 18:26.48 | stew | cosmicassassin: cd /var ; du -ks * | sort -n ; and see what is the biggest part in var... keep repeating, you probably have some logfiles that aren't being properly rotated |
| 18:26.53 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: hm, I thought it is in stable - you can also remove that one, the package is just for plain testing purpose |
| 18:26.55 | Ciaran_H | SmerdyOffice: Just type update-rc.d as root, it'll show you. |
| 18:26.56 | Tassium | cosmicassassin: Then edit logrotate's config to keep less old logs |
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| 18:27.10 | Ciaran_H | SmerdyOffice: Or man update-rc.d |
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| 18:27.23 | imonkey | hello, is there way to check what kind of font my xterm uses atm? |
| 18:27.26 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: if you don't have libvisual0.2 installed the linker will fail then |
| 18:28.10 | SmerdyOffice | Ciaran_H, thanks |
| 18:28.16 | Ciaran_H | SmerdyOffice: No probs. |
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| 18:29.29 | sandman | Can gedit give syntax highlighting for SQL code? |
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| 18:30.58 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: you can actually shrink the package totally down |
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| 18:31.17 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: minimal deps: ruby, libtag, kdelibs, kdebase and xine iirc |
| 18:31.23 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: sure but how do i disable libvisual support |
| 18:31.37 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: should be off if no headers were found |
| 18:31.44 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: hmm ok |
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| 18:32.11 | cosmicassassin | stew, Rotated? I noticed that every file is there twice. Once like "mail.log", and another "mail.log0". This is what your talking about right? |
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| 18:32.29 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: E: Couldn't find package libtunepimp3-dev |
| 18:32.32 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: nuke this one too? |
| 18:32.35 | woodland | i have question abt rwx permisions of a file |
| 18:32.47 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: yep |
| 18:32.50 | SerajewelKS | !tell woodland about ask to ask |
| 18:32.51 | Tassium | cosmicassassin: mail.log is the current (in use) log. mail.log.0 is yesterday's log, and so on and so forth |
| 18:32.53 | tralala | woodland: ask it then |
| 18:33.05 | Ciaran_H | Is there a way to change apt-get's order of doing operations? I needed to install the testing version of libc6 to look at whether the newest dropbear package had an scp binary or not, and I want to downgrade back to stable. However, with the libc6 upgrade was split into two packages in testing - libc6 and tzdata. I need to remove tzdata before downgrading libc6. I've set my /etc/apt/preferences up, but it tries to install |
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| 18:33.29 | Ciaran_H | I can't do them in separate operations because Debian complains. |
| 18:33.39 | cosmicassassin | Tassium, What about all the gzipped files? Just older logs? |
| 18:33.45 | Tassium | cosmicassassin: Yep. |
| 18:33.46 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: 112MB to download now |
| 18:33.58 | cosmicassassin | Tassium, Safe to get rid of? |
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| 18:34.58 | Tassium | cosmicassassin: Presumably. Only you can decide if what's in the logs is important. |
| 18:35.16 | cosmicassassin | Tassium, I'm a gambler. I'll take a chance. |
| 18:36.14 | quitte | Ciaran_H: you could have used dpkg -x to extract the package to some directory without installing it |
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| 18:36.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 18:36.26 | woodland | i just created one file in root account and the permissions for 'all other users' were r-- which means only read permision. but when i logged out of root and logged in regular account, i could delete that file though i was prompted by the terminal. |
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| 18:36.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | where can i find an debian netinstall floppy with kernel 2.6? |
| 18:37.08 | tarzeau | woodland: what's the directory permission? |
| 18:37.15 | tarzeau | woodland: deleting is not writing to the file |
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| 18:37.18 | Ciaran_H | quitte: In conjunction with apt-get -d, right? Or does dpkg use sources.list too? |
| 18:37.21 | DrPete | what benefit will there be updating to the 2.4.27-k7 kernel? I am using the default install kernel? Or should I just compile the lastest |
| 18:37.24 | hazard_ | using screen does anyone know why backspace dosen't work? |
| 18:37.34 | quitte | Ciaran_H: yes. download first |
| 18:37.39 | tarzeau | hazard_: on what host? what terminal? |
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| 18:37.42 | sambrista | hi! I have a problem. I have a new optic mouse, with wheel included. I move the wheel and it works, but when I push the wheel, nothing happens. With my former mouse the wheel button worked fine. Should i add anything to my xorg.conf file? |
| 18:37.45 | Ciaran_H | quitte: Okay, thanks. I'll remember for next time. |
| 18:37.51 | hazard_ | debian, though ssh from OSX |
| 18:38.05 | stew | appelza: ask in #debian-mentors |
| 18:38.07 | woodland | tarzeau, directory's permission is rwx |
| 18:38.13 | tarzeau | woodland: see |
| 18:38.15 | hazard_ | (now that I think about it, it might be because my laptop dosen't have a literal "backspace" key, it has delete... |
| 18:38.17 | tarzeau | woodland: but for who? |
| 18:38.26 | woodland | tarzeau, for user |
| 18:38.36 | tarzeau | woodland: so the user can delete any files in that directory |
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| 18:39.02 | hazard_ | Ok, on that note, how would I go about remapping keys? |
| 18:39.07 | woodland | tarzeau, which letter gives permission to delete, r,w, or x ? |
| 18:39.07 | Morden | anyone can tell my why the "mv" does return an error: http://pastebin.com/723127 |
| 18:39.27 | tarzeau | woodland: that's an exercise for you to find out |
| 18:39.44 | blondie | Morden: what error? |
| 18:39.55 | stew | woodland: you don't need permissions on a file to delete it, you need write permission to the directory containing it |
| 18:39.57 | Ciaran_H | woodland: w on the directory it's in |
| 18:40.05 | woodland | tarzeau, can i change file permissions from user account |
| 18:40.11 | tarzeau | woodland: sure |
| 18:40.17 | stew | woodland: if you own the file |
| 18:40.21 | woodland | ok |
| 18:40.28 | blondie | Morden: that won't work if file names have spaces in them |
| 18:40.35 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: it's compiling |
| 18:40.42 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: tons of compiler warnings |
| 18:40.59 | appelza | thanks StereoSkit |
| 18:41.01 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: hm, as long as it continues compiling ;-) |
| 18:41.01 | appelza | stew |
| 18:41.22 | tarzeau | did the football game already start? |
| 18:41.27 | tarzeau | s,football,soccer, |
| 18:41.28 | asg | tarzeau: which one? |
| 18:41.37 | tarzeau | asg: arsenal |
| 18:41.38 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: <insert standard if-it-rapes-your-system-it's-not-my-fault disclaimer here> |
| 18:41.49 | asg | tarzeau: damn, is it on today? |
| 18:41.52 | woodland | also if file is txt file then in what sense one can/can't execute the file. i dont get execute permission on txt files even in root account |
| 18:41.55 | tarzeau | asg: i thought so |
| 18:42.01 | apachelogger | SerajewelKS: aye ;-) |
| 18:42.02 | Morden | blondie: if I use backticks it will work? |
| 18:42.10 | asg | tarzeau: hang on, let me check |
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| 18:42.22 | blondie | Morden: not if any filename has spaces in |
| 18:42.33 | blondie | you'd have to use find -exec or something |
| 18:42.40 | Ciaran_H | Morden: Not backticks, but quotes will. |
| 18:42.45 | Morden | blondie: the files do not have spaces in it |
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| 18:42.53 | asg | tarzeau: yes, 15 minutes in |
| 18:42.54 | blondie | Morden: well, what's the error? |
| 18:43.05 | tarzeau | asg: how much is it? i'm gonna leave to watch then |
| 18:43.05 | asg | tarzeau: no, wait, they are just walking onto the pitch |
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| 18:43.18 | blondie | Morden: oh yes, you do need backticks :) |
| 18:43.22 | asg | tarzeau: fuck, I have to leave in 45 to pick mrs. asg up. |
| 18:43.22 | blondie | um |
| 18:43.23 | blondie | maybe |
| 18:43.24 | tarzeau | asg: k. tell me when they start |
| 18:43.30 | stew | !pubtime |
| 18:43.30 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:43.31 | blondie | no you don't |
| 18:43.33 | Morden | blondie: current filename is: 1147890688.M927652P25390V0000000000000303I00D3812F_11.t390.greatnet.de,S=1517:2,S |
| 18:43.34 | tarzeau | asg: so you can't watch? |
| 18:43.52 | asg | tarzeau: depends on how long it takes for them to shake hands, take pictures, toss coins, sing, praise god, etc. I figure kickoff in 10 |
| 18:43.58 | blondie | Morden? |
| 18:44.03 | Morden | yes? |
| 18:44.05 | asg | stew: I'm on vacation, I've been on pubtime since Friday ;) |
| 18:44.12 | syle | You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.16-rc6-060319a kernel installed. |
| 18:44.12 | blondie | Morden: what is the error? |
| 18:44.13 | tarzeau | asg: damn and i usually never watch sports... |
| 18:44.23 | syle | what do i use to install that |
| 18:44.33 | asg | tarzeau: me neither, I heard it would be on (yes, even in the US) |
| 18:44.38 | Morden | blondi: root@t390:/home/mail/web4p1# sh fe.sh |
| 18:44.39 | Morden | fe.sh: line 28: mv: command not found |
| 18:44.48 | stew | asg: that's what mythtv is for |
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| 18:45.02 | tarzeau | asg: not in my dreams would i watch soccer games... but oh well |
| 18:45.09 | blondie | Morden: well that's weird, but put the full path to mv |
| 18:45.13 | asg | stew: yeah, I just haven't built mine yet. My P/200 with 48M won't handle live streams |
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| 18:45.20 | blondie | /bin/mv |
| 18:45.26 | Morden | will try :) |
| 18:45.29 | stew | asg: it will for recording not for playback though |
| 18:45.36 | asg | stew: true |
| 18:45.44 | asg | tarzeau: better wake up then |
| 18:45.58 | secher | Ok, uname returns 2.6.14-2; header package I installed 2.6.14-2-686. When I run module-assistant to build ndiswrapper, it tells me "Bad Luck, the kernel headers for the target kern ver. could not be found...." I $set KERNELDIRS to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-2, and passed --kernel-dir usr/src/linux..etc. to module-assistant. any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:46.07 | stew | asg: i used to record 4 streams on a dual p2-233 and the load would be around .1 |
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| 18:46.24 | hazard_ | really? |
| 18:46.26 | asg | stew: nice. I don't have a TV card though |
| 18:46.29 | hazard_ | impressive I suppose |
| 18:46.34 | Morden | blondie: full path works :) - first script for auto-spamcop-submission done ^^ |
| 18:46.35 | stew | asg: that's a requirement |
| 18:46.35 | ws005 | niker |
| 18:46.41 | asg | stew: yeah, I know :( |
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| 18:46.57 | asg | tarzeau: ah, they expedited the pre-match cruft. Kickoff in a few seconds |
| 18:47.00 | stew | secher: if "uname -r" says 2.6.14-2 you need a 2.6.14-2 headers package, not a 2.6.14-2-686 package |
| 18:47.09 | ws005 | fjk5i |
| 18:47.14 | tarzeau | asg: damn,,, /me runeth |
| 18:47.25 | ws005 | liniker |
| 18:47.32 | secher | stew: Yes, that's what I have... just ot be sure, lemme recheck. |
| 18:47.50 | ws005 | nao |
| 18:47.51 | asg | tarzeau: yeah, I'm used to .usian sports where there's 30 minutes of pre-game interviews and life stories. |
| 18:48.06 | phaedrus444 | hey hey |
| 18:48.07 | ws005 | yes |
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| 18:48.23 | phaedrus444 | any one tell me the command to reconfigure xfree86 fromcommand? |
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| 18:48.32 | ws005 | adoro |
| 18:48.33 | asg | tell phaedrus444 about drxx |
| 18:48.38 | asg | bah |
| 18:48.39 | Morden | blondie: here's the current script... jsut in case you are interested: http://pastebin.com/723144 |
| 18:48.40 | asg | !tell phaedrus444 about drxx |
| 18:48.56 | hazard_ | Ok, so I'm stupid (or just new), I made a bootable linux CD, using bootcdwrite, it has the i386 2.4 kernel but in order to make it so it could compile mencoder its using i586src headers (or something like that) in the include path, otherwise it refused to build....how many things am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:49.23 | phaedrus444 | cool thanks asg, dpkg |
| 18:49.47 | secher | stew: uname -r returns 2.6.14-2-686 the headers package is linux-headers-2614-2_2614-.deb ( I got it from backports on the debian site ) I could not find exactly linux-headers-2.6.14-2-686.deb, but the backports site says they are the headers for 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 18:49.59 | blondie | Morden: does that work? |
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| 18:51.25 | asua | re |
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| 18:51.59 | stew | secher: what version is in include/linux/version.h in the headers directory? |
| 18:52.41 | asua | hi peoples's |
| 18:52.50 | blondie | HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:53.02 | woodland | blondie, ho |
| 18:53.07 | kyo | I need some help with xserver-xfree86, I have debian sarge 3.1 r2 |
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| 18:53.12 | Morden | blondie: Yes, this works :) |
| 18:53.21 | woodland | kyo, what is it |
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| 18:53.34 | Morden | now I need to write a second script that strips of the verification URLs from spamcop and auto-submits their form :) |
| 18:53.39 | secher | stew: #define UTS-RELEASE "2.6.14-2" |
| 18:53.44 | woodland | kyo, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:53.47 | kyo | I can't start the server |
| 18:53.57 | woodland | blondie, hey |
| 18:54.05 | secher | stew: rather UTS_RELEASE |
| 18:54.11 | kyo | I have de file XFree86.0 |
| 18:54.12 | woodland | kyo, r u in txt mode |
| 18:54.22 | tralala | !r |
| 18:54.22 | dpkg | i heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 18:54.23 | tralala | !u |
| 18:54.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:54.50 | woodland | tralala, its shortcut for chatting |
| 18:55.09 | secher | tralala: just saw another that needs to be added: 10x for Thanks. |
| 18:55.13 | kyo | I don't know what do |
| 18:55.39 | woodland | kyo, behold your breath and pray, lol |
| 18:55.41 | tralala | woodland: one that dpkg doesn't appreciate much |
| 18:55.55 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: it finished compiling and then crapped out on something. i get to compile it again, whee... |
| 18:56.09 | woodland | tralala, peoopel should change rules around here |
| 18:56.11 | apachelogger | :S |
| 18:56.33 | syle | what command is used to get the kernel sources? |
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| 18:56.45 | syle | ie: crap that gets put in /lib/modules |
| 18:56.46 | luscas | hey can anybody help me with the d-i ? |
| 18:56.46 | tralala | secher: it has one already |
| 18:56.55 | tralala | !d-i luscas |
| 18:56.55 | dpkg | luscas, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:56.57 | secher | woodland: seriously, please use english here. I'm blonde, left handed and Polish, so I'm easily confused by vernacular shorthand. |
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| 18:57.20 | joe__ | hello all |
| 18:57.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: DAMN |
| 18:57.29 | joe__ | how can i reverse an installation of packages that break on install? |
| 18:57.29 | luscas | tralala, i already have an iso, but i get an error when i'm trying to install it |
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| 18:57.37 | woodland | secher, me thinks seriouly using english here |
| 18:57.40 | tarzeau | some people should be kicked real hard into their scrotum |
| 18:57.41 | Daedalus_ | !tell woodland about lol |
| 18:57.53 | kyo | the problems is (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0(II) ATI: Candidate "Device" section "ATI".(WW) ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected!(WW) ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:1 could not be detected!(EE) No devices detected. |
| 18:57.53 | tarzeau | wtf downloads php, and other stuff in ./configure ? |
| 18:57.57 | tarzeau | GNAA |
| 18:58.01 | woodland | Daedalus_, ok |
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| 18:58.12 | Equin | How can I read text that disappeared from my display after typing a command that generates a huge amount of text? |
| 18:58.19 | joe__ | for example, i'm running kubuntu, and i added the debian testing source to it to get a certain package, and it installs the tzdata package which won't install. now every time we try to use apt it says do apt-get -f install, which fails. |
| 18:58.25 | tralala | woodland: keep in mind that we are still using the polite factoids |
| 18:58.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh? |
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| 18:58.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: maniadrive |
| 18:58.54 | tralala | luscas: /msg dpkg ask |
| 18:58.57 | SerajewelKS | joe__: don't mix ubuntu and debian. they are not the same. |
| 18:59.03 | kyo | I don't know where is the problem? |
| 18:59.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you know what? it keeps downloading the shit again and again, without -c in wget |
| 18:59.47 | tralala | joe__: mixing different distributions is a highway to hell |
| 18:59.51 | kyo | I have a video card ATI Radeon. |
| 18:59.51 | joe__ | SerajewelKS: well what if i already have? |
| 18:59.56 | no0ke | !based on |
| 18:59.57 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:59.58 | tarzeau | !ubuntu2debian |
| 18:59.58 | dpkg | [ubuntu2debian] http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 19:00.07 | secher | heyas Abrotman. Actually looks like I may have found a bug this time rather than me fscking myself up. |
| 19:00.10 | SerajewelKS | joe__: since you're using kubuntu, ask #kubuntu how to fix it |
| 19:00.16 | joe__ | righto thank you |
| 19:00.17 | abrotman | secher: eh? |
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| 19:00.24 | tarzeau | joe__: or convert your tutu into debian |
| 19:00.31 | tralala | kyo: running sarge? |
| 19:01.26 | kyo | yes |
| 19:01.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: configure: error: flex versions supported for regeneration of the Zend/PHP parsers: 2.5.4 (found: 2.5.33). |
| 19:01.43 | luscas | I have a problem with cd-rom detect and mount on Debian installer; I'm running Debian testing (netinst). When it starts to detect cd-roms, it can't detect mine. |
| 19:01.47 | syle | You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.16-rc6-060319a kernel installed. |
| 19:01.47 | secher | Stew: am I awaiting a response from you, or have you moved on? Just want to know so I don't keep bugging you about this. I'm really not trying to be an ass, I've just been working on this for several hours now and I'm getting pretty frustrated. |
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| 19:01.56 | syle | What do i use to install them? |
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| 19:02.13 | tralala | kyo: try changing the driver from ati to radeon in XF86Config-4 |
| 19:02.19 | tarzeau | how is 33 smaller than 4? DAMN |
| 19:02.25 | kyo | ok |
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| 19:02.33 | tralala | tarzeau: alphabetically |
| 19:02.47 | no0ke | im using kernel 2.6.16.14 and im bout to upgrade to 2.6.16.16, how do i use this 'patch' thing? |
| 19:02.49 | shogunx | tarzeau base 11:) |
| 19:02.59 | secher | abortman: usually I'm on here because I've done something to screw myself up, frequently relating to a lack of due diligence in research on my part, but in this case, it looks like it's not my fault. I'm just happy I didn't make a mistake this time.. <grin> |
| 19:03.01 | kyo | in the configure what PCI socket I need to use? |
| 19:03.25 | secher | no0ke: google how do I patch a kernel\ |
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| 19:03.46 | tralala | kyo: leave it as it is |
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| 19:03.58 | luscas | I have a problem with cd-rom detect and mount on Debian installer; I'm running Debian testing (netinst). When it starts to detect cd-roms, it can't detect mine. |
| 19:04.05 | luscas | can anybody help me? |
| 19:04.10 | luscas | i already tried google, and wiki |
| 19:04.15 | SerajewelKS | !tell luscas about repeat |
| 19:04.23 | tralala | kyo: reconfigure won't actually help. You need to edit the file by hand |
| 19:04.24 | abrotman | secher: ah .. gotcha |
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| 19:04.26 | luscas | i'm sorry |
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| 19:04.54 | secher | luscas: what cdrom are you using? |
| 19:05.01 | kyo | ok thanks. |
| 19:05.12 | luscas | secher, testing.. netinst |
| 19:05.27 | luscas | i tried sarge too.. but the same thing happened |
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| 19:06.00 | secher | luscas: i.e. are you using some super new, high end drive, or a really really old drive? |
| 19:06.19 | secher | luscas: or a scsi drive perhaps? |
| 19:06.31 | luscas | no.. it's an ide atapi drive.. |
| 19:06.37 | luscas | not actually old.. |
| 19:06.47 | luscas | it's actually a cdrw/dvd.. |
| 19:07.12 | secher | have you had it installed under any other platforms/systems? |
| 19:07.24 | tralala | luscas: there are some unofficial sarge install images with newer kernels. You might want to give them a try. |
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| 19:07.53 | luscas | secher, yes.. i can even burn cds on ubuntu |
| 19:08.15 | luscas | tralala, hmm but the etch 2 beta kernel is new, isnt it? |
| 19:08.22 | secher | luscas: yes, tralala is on the money, get an install image with a newer kernel, that ought to work. |
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| 19:08.48 | luscas | wouldnt the testing kernel help? |
| 19:08.57 | secher | luscas: what's the drive make and model? |
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| 19:09.15 | stew | secher: if it says "UTS-RELEASE "2.6.14-2"" but your "uname -r" says "2.6.14-2-686", then i think you have the wrong headers |
| 19:09.16 | luscas | wait a minute |
| 19:09.40 | stew | secher: you should just install a new kenrel that you definately have the headers for |
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| 19:10.21 | syle | You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.16-rc6-060319a kernel installed. -------i cannot find anything called this at all, i was thinking downloading 2.6.16.?.tar.gz file but i don;t even know what ? is because debian names kernels so stupidly |
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| 19:10.26 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/723182 <-- trouble with flow canvas can anyone help? |
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| 19:10.51 | luscas | Vendor_info : 'HL-DT-ST' |
| 19:10.52 | luscas | Identifikation : 'RW/DVD GCC-4320B' |
| 19:10.55 | luscas | does it help? |
| 19:11.03 | stew | syle: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:11.24 | stew | syle: "debian names kernels so stupidly", uhh "2.6.16-rc6-060319a" isn't a debian kernel |
| 19:11.24 | syle | install the kernel sources for this kernel with some weird ass name |
| 19:11.27 | Vme | hello |
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| 19:11.33 | stew | syle: who compiled that kernel? |
| 19:11.36 | secher | luscas: who made it? Pionneer, Sony, any idea? |
| 19:11.41 | luscas | LG.. |
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| 19:11.45 | syle | s15213334:/usr/src/zaptel# uname -a |
| 19:11.45 | syle | Linux s15213334 2.6.16-rc6-060319a #1 SMP Sun Mar 19 16:28:15 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:11.46 | syle | s15213334:/usr/src/zaptel# |
| 19:12.08 | syle | was just a default install, apt-get upgrade seems to have been done |
| 19:12.15 | stew | syle: you aren't on debian then |
| 19:12.17 | phaedrus444 | any one here use nano texi? |
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| 19:12.23 | fyn | Anyone happen to know if zoneinfo is accurate for El Salvador? Apparently they've been changing the time around there lately and I can't quite seem to find if it is May 20th or 6th that DST starts/started.. |
| 19:12.27 | stew | syle: go to a channel for whatever distribution you are running |
| 19:12.37 | phaedrus444 | ive edited a file now i need to save it |
| 19:12.38 | luscas | secher, LG |
| 19:12.42 | phaedrus444 | but i dont know how |
| 19:12.44 | Vme | when i compile my kernel i've been doing it with --added-modules=ndiswrapper and i get anoter image, but when i reboot i have to do a 'depmod -a' in ordre to get access to that module. Is there some way that i can elminate the depmod -a step so my modules will load at boot? |
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| 19:12.57 | syle | so why when i do cat /etc/motd it says crap like |
| 19:13.04 | syle | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 19:13.06 | syle | etc |
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| 19:13.11 | luscas | phaedrus444, ctrl + o ? |
| 19:13.25 | stew | syle: becuase your distribution is using some pacakges straight from debian |
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| 19:13.44 | syle | wtf, how do i find out what i am running |
| 19:13.47 | phaedrus444 | thanks |
| 19:13.50 | phaedrus444 | luscas |
| 19:13.52 | stew | syle: paste your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 19:14.02 | luscas | phaedrus444, np |
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| 19:14.19 | phaedrus444 | woooohoo |
| 19:14.26 | SerajewelKS | apachelogger: done, see my pm |
| 19:14.40 | syle | it has lines in it with deb and deb-src |
| 19:14.54 | phaedrus444 | what is a good windows manager to use? |
| 19:14.54 | luscas | secher, still with me? ehe |
| 19:14.59 | stew | syle: yeah, that's the one i'm talking about |
| 19:15.03 | Ronin | phaedrus444: the one you like |
| 19:15.07 | phaedrus444 | hehe |
| 19:15.22 | pmo12 | phaedrus444, kde seems to be popular.. but require an honest machine |
| 19:15.32 | phaedrus444 | yeah..ive used kde |
| 19:15.38 | phaedrus444 | i want somthing a lot lighter |
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| 19:15.57 | syle | any ideas? i honestly could care less what distro this machine is, i;m only developping on it for next 2 days, i just need the sources |
| 19:16.01 | Ronin | fluxbox, blackbox etc |
| 19:16.09 | pmo12 | phaedrus444, windowmaker |
| 19:16.17 | stew | syle: paste your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 19:16.20 | Ronin | syle: i think we're all waiting fo ryou to paste it to pastebin |
| 19:16.21 | blondie | syle: if you could care less, that means it's important to you |
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| 19:16.48 | hddcdfd0 | what tool do you suggest me to create an image of my hard disk to store it just in case... |
| 19:16.53 | secher | luscas: working on it.. give me a few. looks like there's a particular controller from VIA and your drive that when coupled have issues... |
| 19:16.54 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: man dd |
| 19:17.00 | stew | blondie: no that's not what "i could care less" means |
| 19:17.02 | pmo12 | phaedrus444, you mean on debian ? |
| 19:17.11 | luscas | secher, thanks a lot |
| 19:17.28 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS: but using a boot cd? |
| 19:17.38 | syle | http://pastebin.ca/56647 |
| 19:17.40 | SerajewelKS | hddcdfd0: of course, you don't want to image a mounted partition |
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| 19:17.55 | hddcdfd0 | SerajewelKS:ok |
| 19:18.06 | asua | guy's who used freebsd? |
| 19:18.15 | SerajewelKS | asua: #freebsd |
| 19:18.30 | blondie | stew: I think you'll find it is |
| 19:18.33 | syle | you use whatever they pay you to work on :) |
| 19:18.37 | asua | thx |
| 19:18.39 | blondie | stew: americans get it wrong |
| 19:18.55 | stew | blondie: no. its an idiom, it doesn't have the literal meaning of the words |
| 19:18.58 | blondie | the actual phrase is "I couldn't care less" |
| 19:19.01 | Ronin | stew: you thinking maybe of i couldnt care less |
| 19:19.05 | blondie | sorry but wrong |
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| 19:20.17 | Morden | can I create a new variable "LINK" like this: LINK=fgrep http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id= $FILENAME |
| 19:20.36 | asua | guy's who like's beer's ? |
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| 19:20.58 | blondie | asua: an apostrophe does not a plural make |
| 19:22.13 | syle | any idea? |
| 19:22.30 | syle | i was told debian was put on these servers, so i figured it was debian lol |
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| 19:23.15 | SerajewelKS | !tell asua about poll |
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| 19:23.25 | stew | Ronin: the idioms "i couldn't care less" and "i could care less" have the same meaning |
| 19:23.36 | stew | syle: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
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| 19:24.08 | syle | --/lib//libc.so.6 -> libc-2.3.2.so |
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| 19:24.22 | stew | syle: what version of the libc6 pacakage do you have installed? |
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| 19:24.58 | syle | how do i check that |
| 19:25.11 | stew | !wikifaq syle PackageManagement |
| 19:25.11 | dpkg | syle: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:25.59 | luscas | secher, i'm sorry i closed the xchat accidentaly |
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| 19:27.02 | stew | syle: in any case, your choices are: find whomever compiled that kernel, and ask them for the headers (that kernel definately didn't come from debian), install a debian kernel (which would mean that the headers are available), or compile your own kernel |
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| 19:27.19 | syle | dpkg -l would have sufficed: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 19:27.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching would have sufficed: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 19:27.32 | stew | syle: yeah, that's not debian |
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| 19:28.27 | stew | syle: oh wait, 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge1 or somehting? it looks like it got cut off |
| 19:28.31 | _Brandon_ | i have a problem with a nic interface, after the boot it always gets an APIPA ip |
| 19:28.37 | syle | well either way i got to figure out where this vmlinuz-2.6.16-rc6-060319a kernel came from and get sources to it |
| 19:28.39 | no0ke | Preemption Model |
| 19:28.39 | no0ke | > 1. No Forced Preemption (Server) (PREEMPT_NONE) (NEW) |
| 19:28.40 | no0ke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.40 | no0ke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.52 | no0ke | which one should i choose? |
| 19:29.05 | phaedrus444 | repositories? debian address |
| 19:29.10 | phaedrus444 | hehe |
| 19:29.15 | phaedrus444 | i wonder? |
| 19:29.33 | stew | !tell no0ke about flood |
| 19:29.43 | no0ke | anyway |
| 19:29.47 | no0ke | which one is better |
| 19:29.49 | syle | but i mean the thing uses debian packages, sources, even /boot dir has things like debian.blah and /etc/motd contains debian info, so just doesn;t make sense to me |
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| 19:30.12 | wakejagr | no0ke: what will the computer be used for? The list contains some info: server should be non-preempt, etc. |
| 19:30.19 | stew | syle: it doesn't use debian sources |
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| 19:31.22 | secher | luscas: As near as I can tell, the problem seems to have it's root in your particular drive and the 2.6.8 series of kernel releases. That does not mean that it was resolved in the 2.6.12 releases however. As tralala suggested, find an unofficial release of Sid with the newest possible kernel, and hopefully that'll solve your problem. |
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| 19:32.02 | phaedrus444 | is ther an easy way to find debian repositories?..official ones? |
| 19:32.11 | stew | phaedrus444: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:32.26 | luscas | secher, thanks a lot |
| 19:32.29 | luscas | i'll try that |
| 19:32.54 | secher | luscas: sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I'm behind the 8 ball with my own problem here. |
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| 19:33.40 | jetscreamer | phaedrus444: apt-spy maybe |
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| 19:35.37 | phaedrus444 | wooohopp |
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| 19:35.50 | phaedrus444 | this is fun |
| 19:36.01 | K|NgGh0sT | anyone know howto make a dvb card work? |
| 19:37.06 | jetscreamer | install some modules |
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| 19:37.19 | jetscreamer | go to video4linux.com i think |
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| 19:37.40 | jetscreamer | or org or somehting similar |
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| 19:38.27 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=video+for+linux&restrict=linux |
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| 19:40.42 | Solet-deb | is opera not in debian? i get a wierd message when i try to apt-get install it |
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| 19:41.06 | blondie | Solet-deb: of course it's not -- it's not free |
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| 19:42.14 | David3 | solet-deb: opera is not free/open source... |
| 19:42.22 | no0ke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.23 | thingfish | Solet-deb: it however might be available via contrib or non-free. |
| 19:42.28 | Morden | can I create a new variable "LINK" like this: LINK=fgrep http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id= $FILENAME |
| 19:42.28 | no0ke | what is this? |
| 19:42.32 | David3 | solet-deb: it's my preferred browser, though. I always download it directly from opera.com |
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| 19:42.53 | David3 | solet-deb: they make debs for sarge, etch, and sid |
| 19:42.58 | thingfish | last I looked, there were sarge .debs at opera's website. |
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| 19:43.11 | Solet-deb | blondi; i thought debian had a nonfree section |
| 19:43.16 | rann | anyone experience with mkinitrd on stable? |
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| 19:43.26 | blondie | David3: of course firefox is MUCH nicer ;) |
| 19:43.56 | David3 | blondie: depends what you want. I run an inverted color scheme, and I have not been able to figure out how to make firefox do what I want |
| 19:43.58 | d03boy | is there a nvidia driver deb for testing? |
| 19:44.14 | rann | how do you limit what modules are installed and loaded in an initrd on stable? |
| 19:44.32 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:45.06 | rann | at the moment, 62 modules are loaded by default.. i need only 9 |
| 19:45.41 | David3 | blondie: with a quick "ctrl+g" I can switch between my inverted scheme, and the author's colors. opera also has some fantastic tools for looking at the layout of a page, e.g. "debug with outlines". but the media stuff tends to be more difficult in opera. |
| 19:45.47 | Azar | :) new xfree version around |
| 19:46.40 | rann | it happens when i set anything in the ROOT= variable in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd |
| 19:46.43 | rann | .conf |
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| 19:46.56 | Azar | abrotman, what was the xfree problem ? proprietary? non-free ? |
| 19:47.00 | Shadowcat | what mess have you gotten yourself into this time? |
| 19:47.38 | Shadowcat | d03boy: don't make me force you to run WinME |
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| 19:48.37 | abrotman | Azar: huh ? |
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| 19:49.46 | Azar | abrotman: maybe I understood it wrong, was something related to licensing, because the way I got it xorg replaces xfree due to legalese issues? |
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| 19:50.27 | abrotman | oh .. the xfree license issue .. |
| 19:50.35 | David3 | is anyone helping rann with this question of which modules are loaded by initrd, etc.? I'm really curious about the answer myself :-) |
| 19:50.55 | abrotman | !xfree86 4.4 |
| 19:50.55 | dpkg | well, xfree86 4.4 is xfree68 4.4 won't be in debian (or most other distros) because of licensing issues. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/01/msg00284.html and following thread |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | Azar: ^^ |
| 19:51.03 | Azar | abrotman: because I read the xfree website and it say "open source" which I guess is not "free software" ? |
| 19:51.18 | Azar | ah ok thank you abrotman |
| 19:51.21 | rann | David3: help ;-) |
| 19:51.22 | abrotman | Azar: it's not DFSG-free |
| 19:51.39 | rann | it is a really complex issue imho |
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| 19:52.11 | David3 | rann: wish I coulld, but I've had the same question in mind for years, and haven't gotten any resolution about it. I believe the kernel automatically loads modules that it "thinks" it "needs" ... |
| 19:52.21 | abrotman | Azar: also .. not compatible with the GPL |
| 19:52.26 | rann | me and my colleague started out setting up a debian stable on a set of new tyan transport gx28's |
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| 19:52.38 | Coutal | hello, i am having some problems with my java installation on debian. specifically it can't seem to import junit, although i definitely have it installed and on my classpath. can anyone help? |
| 19:52.44 | rann | the issue is with the ROOT= env in mkinitrd.conf |
| 19:53.05 | rann | ONLY when it is empty, does mkinitrd honour /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 19:53.19 | netcrash | Hello, I have a monitor to when I configure it it stays with a big black margin on the right of the screen, the freq. are ok acording to the monitor specs... What can I do ? |
| 19:53.34 | David3 | rann: although sometimes I find that if I try to answer somebody's question and I have no idea what I'm talking about, someone will jump in with the real answer. it's maybe not the best way for a fragile-ego'd person to help... |
| 19:54.05 | rann | BUT when ROOT= has no value, it does not set the correct script in the initrd.img/initrd/script to do your mdraid stuff |
| 19:54.08 | Coutal | netcrash: perhaps setting the modeline might do, or setting the screen size on the monitor itself |
| 19:54.26 | abrotman | netcrash: xvidtune is one way |
| 19:54.46 | David3 | netcrash: does it work with e.g. windows or mac or at low-resolution text 80x25? |
| 19:54.57 | rann | we're now stepping through /usr/sbin/mkinitrd it is huuge |
| 19:55.31 | David3 | rann: that sounds like a question that *someone* ought to be able to help with. I wonder if you'd do better in a kernel forum |
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| 19:55.42 | netcrash | Coutal: abrotman David3 only stays with the margin when I start X , the monitor buttons don't work. going to try xvidtune |
| 19:55.54 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 19:55.54 | dpkg | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 19:56.09 | rann | err, no i don't think so. it really has to do with debian's initrd setup |
| 19:56.18 | Coutal | abrotman: same one. never met another coutal |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: go find g4lt .. bring him back! |
| 19:56.48 | abrotman | Coutal: i never met another abrotman .. doesn't mean there isn't one :) |
| 19:56.53 | Coutal | did see a couatl once around (which is the correct spelling) but i got used to it |
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| 19:57.08 | Coutal | so i am sticking with the wrong spelling |
| 19:57.21 | Coutal | anyway i have made some progress on the openlaszlo package, but now it seems like it doesn't like my junit installation |
| 19:57.21 | David3 | couatl sounds like an aztec or some such name |
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| 19:57.33 | jetscreamer | !seen g4lt |
| 19:57.34 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 587d 19h 20m 51s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 19:57.41 | Coutal | david3: very good! it is short-form (or bastardization) of quetzalcouatl |
| 19:57.41 | jetscreamer | !seek g4lt |
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| 19:57.51 | jetscreamer | !search g4lt |
| 19:57.58 | jetscreamer | !find g4lt |
| 19:58.00 | abrotman | -NickServ- Nickname: g4lt |
| 19:58.00 | abrotman | -NickServ- Registered: 4 years 25 weeks 6 days (11h 23m 48s) ago |
| 19:58.00 | abrotman | -NickServ- Last Seen: 41 weeks 1 day (10h 45m 11s) ago |
| 19:58.04 | jetscreamer | !info g4lt |
| 19:58.14 | Coutal | do relax please jetscreamer |
| 19:58.20 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'g4lt' returned no results. |
| 19:58.41 | David3 | coutal: and quetzalcouatl is...? |
| 19:58.51 | Coutal | java, junit anyone? everything i found on the net says apt-get install junit should solve the problem. but it is installed! |
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| 19:59.12 | Coutal | David3: aztec deity of wisdom, often portrayed as a flying snake with rainbow colored wings |
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| 19:59.30 | wesleywillians | hi everybody |
| 19:59.35 | wesleywillians | i have problems wiht my skype |
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| 19:59.45 | wesleywillians | if i have any problem running during a call |
| 19:59.49 | thom_ | How can I secure CVS running a debian system? |
| 20:00.15 | jelly-ho | Is skype in Debian now? |
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| 20:00.22 | David3 | couatal: wow... the things we learn in the debian forum :-) |
| 20:00.25 | jjazz | jelly-ho: nope. It's not free. |
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| 20:01.02 | thom_ | I'm trying to avoid using a PServer if possible. |
| 20:01.26 | David3 | wesleywillians: my brother runs skype on sarge. Does it ever work for you, or is the problem intermittent? |
| 20:01.34 | thom_ | CVS over SSH seems like it's more hassle than it's worth. |
| 20:01.49 | thom_ | (Having to have a SSH client open and all) |
| 20:01.59 | jjazz | thom_: We do svn over ssh. It's pretty easy. |
| 20:02.02 | SlayerXP | s/over SSH//; |
| 20:02.04 | wesleywillians | yep. |
| 20:02.42 | thom_ | jjazz Don't you have to log in with your shell first...? |
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| 20:02.52 | thom_ | My CVS clients are going to be windows based by the way. |
| 20:02.55 | David3 | wesleywillians: that was not exactly a yes or no question... ;-) |
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| 20:03.28 | jjazz | thom_: I know nothing about windows clients, but svn can handle it at the command line, as can several gui frontends I'm aware of. |
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| 20:03.55 | jetscreamer | !lart thom_ |
| 20:04.07 | phaedrus44 | wooohoo |
| 20:04.11 | Coutal | cross fingers and hope it compiles |
| 20:04.14 | phaedrus44 | im on my new debian system |
| 20:04.21 | phaedrus44 | i went with fluxbox |
| 20:04.21 | wesleywillians | David3: i am sorry, but my english is not too good :( |
| 20:04.25 | thom_ | jjazz Do you like SVN over CVS in general? Is it much different? |
| 20:04.36 | thom_ | !lart dpkg |
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| 20:04.43 | thom_ | hah |
| 20:05.00 | David3 | wesleywillians: 1. does skype ever work? or, 2. is this an intermittent problem? |
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| 20:05.29 | netcrash | abrotman: Sorry but , how do I pass the values from xvidtune to XF86config-4 ? : |
| 20:05.43 | jjazz | thom_: I do prefer svn to cvs. I have fewer moments of frustration. It's easier. svn is good at stuff that cvs seems to make hard, like renaming a directory and stuff like that. I'm a convert. |
| 20:05.48 | phaedrus44 | im back to the lux synaptic..hehe |
| 20:06.15 | wesleywillians | yep.. the skype works fine.. but always when i call to someone, and start to talking ... the call failed... |
| 20:06.17 | jelly-ho | how would I boot Debian from XP's NTLDR? |
| 20:06.21 | thom_ | jjazz The problem is I really like WinCVS, and I've heard horror stories about tortoiseSVN |
| 20:06.46 | David3 | wesleywillians: So if somebody calls you, then you can talk, but if you call someone, it fails? |
| 20:06.50 | jjazz | thom_: Like I said, I know nothing about windows clients. |
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| 20:07.29 | thom_ | jjazz Thanks for your help. How long have you been using SVN? Aside from renaming directories is it easier to configure and secure than CVS? |
| 20:07.29 | David3 | jelly-ho: i don't think it's possible |
| 20:08.09 | David3 | jelly-ho: I believe you will have to install grub (or lilo, but install grub.) grub can boot windows xp, but ntldr cannot boot linux/debian |
| 20:08.35 | JordiGH_ | Hey, I have a .el file for another major mode in Emacs. It says it can be byte-compiled I'd like to do this and make it available to all users. How do I do it? |
| 20:08.44 | jelly-ho | David3: no can do, I have a strange laptop and must keep mbr intact. Can't even change the active partition. |
| 20:08.44 | wesleywillians | no, whatever who call... |
| 20:09.00 | wesleywillians | the problem is: i must close all applications to talk .. |
| 20:09.02 | jjazz | thom_: I've been using svn for about a year. I found configuration to be easier with svn than cvs. I wasn't the one who secured it, though, but the person who did claims it was pretty easy. From the client side, it's simply a matter of specifying the url as svn+ssh://. It's dead easy for me. |
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| 20:09.43 | David3 | jelly-ho: well if you can't change the mbr, then you probably won't be able to boot linux from the mbr. You might consider going with a floppy or cd solution |
| 20:10.09 | JordiGH_ | Strange... why wouldn't a lappy allow modification of the mbr? |
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| 20:10.18 | jelly-ho | David3: there's this thing called grub4dos though, and I _think_ ntldr can do some kind of chainloading from a file. |
| 20:10.33 | abrotman | netcrash: sghouldn't hav eto .. should keep it |
| 20:10.36 | JordiGH_ | Sounds evil! Is the Evil Empire invading our lappies too? |
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| 20:10.43 | jelly-ho | JordiGH_: its rescue partition stops working. Blame IBM. |
| 20:10.45 | David3 | wesleywillians: sounds like either a bandwidth problem or a system resource problem |
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| 20:11.16 | cureless | jelly-ho: create CDs off of it, delete the partition |
| 20:11.41 | JordiGH_ | jelly-ho: IBM used to be the Evil Empire, but its glory days are over. :-) |
| 20:11.46 | T_V | hello all. does somebody know if there is a debian package available that contains chilisoft ? |
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| 20:11.49 | David3 | jelly-ho: can't say I have any experience with grub4dos or any other such tools |
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| 20:12.23 | phaedrus44 | hey hey |
| 20:12.33 | JordiGH_ | hey |
| 20:12.34 | T_V | hey |
| 20:12.40 | David3 | t_v: can't find any on packages.debian.org : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=chilisoft&searchon=all |
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| 20:12.53 | jelly-ho | JordiGH_: its rescue partition stops working. Blame IBM. :-| |
| 20:12.57 | wesleywillians | and then |
| 20:12.57 | jelly-ho | argh |
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| 20:13.10 | wesleywillians | aobut the bandwith, i think is no problem, but the resource, maybe |
| 20:13.26 | mrkris_ | I have a GPL question. A project I am working on for a company is an extension to a GPL product. Is it a violation of GPL by just calling the functions? or is it only if I copy/paste code into it. |
| 20:13.29 | cureless | jelly-ho: just create the rescue CDs, delete the partition. It's just taking up space. |
| 20:13.42 | T_V | David3: thanks for the link. didnt knew to search there :D but maybe some unofficial package ? maybe someone saw it once :) |
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| 20:13.55 | cureless | mrkris_: it's probably a violation. But it all depends on what you do with the code. |
| 20:14.25 | cureless | mrkris_: are you making a product out of it? Or are you using it internally? |
| 20:14.27 | David3 | wesleywillians: is your computer on the older side? If so, then the combination of KDE, lots of modules and services, might be too much to run along with skype. I have a 300mhz machine, and I'm currently streaming jazz from a radio station -- but that's decoding, which is easier than encoding. I think encoding is quite a bit more processor-intensive |
| 20:14.28 | jelly-ho | cureless: Hm. I already have the cds created, but I'd like to keep the partition in the unlikely case I want something from it. |
| 20:14.34 | bloom | mrkris_: it's a violation if link with the library (which would be required if you wanted to just call the functions) |
| 20:14.36 | mrkris_ | Since it's an extension, it adds features to the product, so it would just utilize the apps built in DB abstraction layer |
| 20:14.43 | cureless | jelly-ho: the CDs are the same as the partition. |
| 20:14.45 | JordiGH | mrkris_: If you bundle the GPL software with your own software and make the complete software package non-free, then you are in violation of the GPL, even if you're only calling functions from a GPLed software. The LGPL is supposed to address this sort of problem, and it's meant for libraries, such as GMP. |
| 20:14.57 | David3 | t_v: welcome. try google.com/linux chilisoft deb |
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| 20:15.13 | mrkris_ | ahhh ok. just what i wanted to know. thanks :D |
| 20:15.13 | wesleywillians | David3: i have a turion 1.8 with 1GB |
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| 20:15.22 | shogunx | wesleywillians or you could get a device from grandstream.com they are pretty good. |
| 20:15.22 | T_V | David3: already searching :) |
| 20:15.32 | netcrash | abrotman: even if I restart the computer ? When starting X it whont change ? |
| 20:15.33 | David3 | wesleywillians: then you ought to have more resources than I :-) |
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| 20:15.47 | sebastien_ | heelo, howto exist to install XGL on SID ? |
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| 20:16.23 | David3 | wesleywillians: still, if you have a whole lotta services running -- oh, and do you have swap on? cat /proc/swaps |
| 20:16.29 | Anduril | Hello! I've just installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.15-1-k7 (1.0.7174+1) on a Debian Etch. Everything seems OK until I try to start X and get the following error: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device! (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Anyone that could help me? |
| 20:16.35 | evilhen | Is there a statically linked version of debian debootstrap somewhere? I have (need to) a Fedora System with Xen an want to debootstrap guest DomU Systems with debian in it. I'm looking for better way than doinh it with knoppix cd |
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| 20:16.57 | JordiGH | Anduril, I don't think you need that driver according to the |
| 20:17.00 | JordiGH | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 20:17.08 | JordiGH | !nvidia oneliner |
| 20:17.16 | Azar | nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:17.22 | JordiGH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:17.23 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 20:17.38 | JordiGH | Thanks, Azar. :-) |
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| 20:18.04 | Azar | Anduril: one hardly needs nvidia-kernel when it installs a precompiled kernel and uses nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:19.35 | Anduril | JordiGH and Azar: Do you mean I should execute the one-liner instead? |
| 20:19.46 | Azar | Anduril: yes, why not? |
| 20:20.08 | wesleywillians | so, i dont need a device |
| 20:20.50 | JordiGH | Anduril: It's worked for me. Feel the non-free OpenGL goodness. Wanna play armagetron? |
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| 20:21.49 | Anduril | Azar: OK, I will give it a try |
| 20:21.50 | David3 | wesleywillians: that's a thought. maybe you should try fiddling with the sound service you are using. oss, alsa, etc. |
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| 20:22.06 | wesleywillians | i use the alsa |
| 20:22.19 | foogle | I Need help |
| 20:22.27 | David3 | foogle: just ask your question |
| 20:22.39 | foogle | what do I modprobe for my 3com nic card |
| 20:23.33 | Anduril | Byt how could I fix my problem if I want? Shouldn't the legacy driver be more optimized? |
| 20:24.24 | JordiGH | Anduril: All I know is that the nvidia-oneliner has had a lot of success stories. This is one of those things I don't ponder too deeply. Mu. |
| 20:25.08 | K|NgGh0sT | oneliner worked for me |
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| 20:25.13 | rann | David3: solved! |
| 20:25.13 | JordiGH | And my offer to play armagetron stands, once it works. :-) |
| 20:25.19 | David3 | wesleywillians: have you tried any other services? I have no idea if skype works well with alsa -- I would expect it to, but who knows! |
| 20:25.24 | David3 | rann: awesome! how'd you do it? |
| 20:25.38 | rann | David3: i'm doing a test boot right now |
| 20:25.45 | rann | just a sec |
| 20:25.57 | David3 | foogle: first you'll want to figure out exactly what the model number of your card is, for example I used to have a 3c905tx or something |
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| 20:26.59 | Anduril | JordiGH: OK, I only want it to work. As I am configuring a HTPC I don't want to stick with vesa... |
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| 20:27.34 | rann | David3: the issue was indeed with some black magic that happens within mkinitrd on stable |
| 20:27.48 | JordiGH | May RMS forgive our sins for using non-free drivers. |
| 20:28.39 | David3 | rann: really ! |
| 20:28.41 | rann | when you edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules to have a list of stuff you want loaded, it gets merely PREPENDED to a larger list that gets generated from currently running modules |
| 20:28.59 | rann | so we changed the following: |
| 20:29.12 | rann | set ROOT=probe in mkinitrd.conf |
| 20:29.15 | JordiGH | Sorry to insist but... |
| 20:29.23 | JordiGH | Hey, I have a .el file for another major mode in Emacs. It says it can be byte-compiled I'd like to do this and make it available to all users. How do I do it? |
| 20:29.30 | rann | set MODULES=dep |
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| 20:30.00 | MatBoy | does someone have any idea why I can;t get a turnoff button in Debian Etch / KDE ? |
| 20:30.21 | cheal | MatBoy: ask #debian-kde |
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| 20:30.31 | jjazz | JordiGH: take a look at the byte-compile* functions in emacs |
| 20:30.36 | MatBoy | cheal, wow, is there a special channel for it :) |
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| 20:30.43 | rann | and change the following in /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: |
| 20:30.45 | JordiGH | MatBoy: Eh? When you try to add the applet to the panel, what happens? |
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| 20:31.23 | rann | egrep -v '^(#.*)?$' "$CONFDIR"/modules | cat -n - modules | sort -u -k 2 | sort -n -k 1,1 > modules.1 <-- WRONG |
| 20:31.34 | MatBoy | JordiGH, I don't get anything when I go to logoff. I have turned it on under the systemmanagement |
| 20:31.39 | rann | egrep -v '^(#.*)?$' "$CONFDIR"/modules | cat -n - >modules.1 <-- GOOD |
| 20:31.40 | kingsley | Can oowriter select more than one region? |
| 20:32.13 | rann | afk brb |
| 20:32.38 | unfo | kingsley: i doubt it, but try it. hold down Ctrl and try to select a 2nd. |
| 20:32.46 | benkong2 | yahoo!! got Debian etch on my T40 Thinkpad and it is great...ow just a couple of concerns if someone would help. I get an "error hdparm returned error '127' on boot. Any thoughts on where to look? I don't see hdparm anywhere on the drive as a program |
| 20:32.48 | unfo | kingsley: what are you trying to do? can you do it with macros? |
| 20:32.49 | JordiGH | jjazz: Ooh, thanks. Looks like I have my .elc file now. Where should I put it? |
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| 20:33.19 | David3 | benkong2: that's weird, but hdparm can be turned off with grub, I believe |
| 20:33.37 | kingsley | unfo: I'm happy to report that holding down the control key worked. Thank you. |
| 20:33.43 | benkong2 | I did a locate hdparm after an updatedb and not found |
| 20:33.56 | benkong2 | should I just aptitude install hdparm? |
| 20:34.04 | jjazz | JordiGH: That depends on your setup. Put it somewhere in your loadpath |
| 20:34.29 | David3 | thanks rann. duly noted... someday when I want to set up all my modules properly, hopefully I will be able to find this little tip I wrote up! |
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| 20:34.50 | JordiGH | jjazz: Hmm... where does Emacs search by default? I was thinking about putting it with other .elc files, but locate .elc says I have none! |
| 20:35.07 | JordiGH | jjazz: Bear in mind we're talking Debian here. ;-) |
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| 20:35.30 | David3 | benkong2: I believe hdparm is a kernel module, or maybe it's even compiled into the kernel, dunno if you'd be able to find a package. |
| 20:35.57 | hddcdfd0 | i just attached a new ide hdd, how to mount an format it? |
| 20:36.07 | jjazz | JordiGH: You could locate .el files and put it with those if you want. /usr/share/emacs/... or something like that |
| 20:36.23 | unfo | kingsley: cool! I don't even know if Word has that feature. |
| 20:36.50 | Brox | i've never done this before so have mercy - dpkg -i name.deb installs name.deb and is guranteed not to mess up my installation, true? I want to install oracle XE |
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| 20:37.46 | jjazz | Brox: Nothing is ever guaranteed not to mess your install. It really depends on how much you trust the people that built the .deb. |
| 20:37.56 | David3 | benkong2: if you're getting an error from it, it sounds like it's already running. you could try updating the package, but it sounds more like you should try turning it OFF. |
| 20:38.29 | JordiGH | jjazz: Turns out it's /etc/emacs/ I gotta remember to not use asterisks with locate. |
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| 20:38.46 | hddcdfd0 | how to format a secondary hdd? |
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| 20:39.23 | David3 | hddcdfd0 try cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 20:39.30 | rann | mm. which modules are required for usb keyboard support? any specific order they must be loaded in? |
| 20:39.32 | shogunx | hddcdfd0 cfidsk to partition, then mke2fs to make filesystems. |
| 20:39.34 | jjazz | JordiGH: Glad you found it. That will make that stuff available for all users, FYI. If you just want it for your one user, put it under ~ |
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| 20:40.04 | hddcdfd0 | shogunx:~# thank you |
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| 20:40.20 | JordiGH | jjazz: No, I wanted it for all users, even if I'm the only one who uses Emacs. :-) |
| 20:40.53 | unfo | I am 2 different users on my machine. Usually j, sometimes k for foreign language testing etc. |
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| 20:41.02 | jjazz | JordiGH: heh. You might want to symlink all the other editors to it while you're at it. ;) |
| 20:41.11 | shogunx | hddcdfd0 no problem. i mistyped. thats cfdisk. |
| 20:41.27 | shogunx | not cfidsk |
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| 20:42.20 | Ryushin | I'm having a heck of a time figuring this out. I installed xpdf, and now xpdf wants to be the default pdf viewer for thunderbird. I've already check mailcap and .mailcap to make sure it's set to acroread. Where else would the configuration be? |
| 20:42.35 | David3 | ryushin: it could be configured in kde |
| 20:42.42 | Anduril | For the one-liner it was stated: Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> Could someone give me more information about that? |
| 20:43.13 | Anduril | non-free sources |
| 20:43.21 | Ryushin | in kde? I use e17, but I'll go look. |
| 20:43.27 | David3 | try it with an exclamation point !non-free sources |
| 20:43.34 | Anduril | !non-free sources |
| 20:43.35 | dpkg | i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 20:43.38 | JordiGH | Anduril: In your /etc/apt/sources.list, add the line non-free after each line that begins with deb. |
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| 20:43.54 | JordiGH | Anduril: Sorry, the phrases "contrib" and "non-free", w/o quotes. |
| 20:44.10 | JordiGH | Oh, I feel silly. Outdone by a bot. |
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| 20:45.10 | JordiGH | I'm a modern-day John Henry: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45794 |
| 20:45.13 | David3 | ryushin: if you're using e17, no need to check out kde, you're not running it. anyway, I know that in kde I can specify what apps are used for what protocols, and the same might be true in e17 |
| 20:45.21 | Anduril | JordiGH: OK, already done. And then I only have to execute the one-liner? And hope for the best... |
| 20:45.41 | JordiGH | Anduril: Good luck! |
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| 20:45.55 | Anduril | JordiGH: Thanks! |
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| 20:47.38 | David3 | brb |
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| 20:48.30 | netcrash | abrotman: thank you for the help |
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| 20:48.48 | netcrash | The others have left can't thank them for the atention |
| 20:48.54 | netcrash | David3: thank you for the help |
| 20:49.00 | JordiGH | abrotman is nice. He (?) has helped me in the past too. :-) |
| 20:49.19 | David3 | netcrash heh I don't even remember what I did, and I just left and came back, but you're welcome! |
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| 20:49.38 | foo | Get:69 2006-05-16-1409.51.pdiff [10.2kB] - I've got a lot of pdiff's in an apt-get update. Are these normal? what is this? |
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| 20:51.23 | Anduril | JordiGH: m-a a-i nvidia failed! Is it really part of the Debian testing repository? |
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| 20:52.20 | chump | hey where is the document root section in apache2 |
| 20:52.25 | chump | which conf file? |
| 20:53.47 | jjazz | chump: You probably want /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 20:54.04 | chump | thanks jjazz |
| 20:54.06 | jjazz | np |
| 20:54.48 | JordiGH | Anduril: Possibly. Are you using the stable distro? I think you may have to temporarily go as high as unstable. |
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| 20:56.53 | Anduril | JordiGH: No, I am using testing and would prefer to stick with that if possible. |
| 20:57.47 | JordiGH | Anduril: unstable is not as dangerous as it sounds... put it in your sources.list file and if you're paranoid, create apt.conf in /etc/apt where you will put the line APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 20:58.40 | tarzeau | asg: seen it? |
| 20:58.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:58.50 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:58.56 | JordiGH | I sort of like this configuration, because it gives you the stability of testing by default and still gives you all the packages available in Debian, going to the unstable branch only if it absolutely needs to. |
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| 20:59.47 | Anduril | JordiGH: I use unstable on my desktop computer and almost never experience but for my HTPC I would prefer to use testing (or preferably stable). But your advice sound good. |
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| 21:00.09 | Solet-deb | my nautulus has been freezing a lot as of late... any ideas as to what i can do about it? |
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| 21:00.25 | jjazz | JordiGH: How does that interact with pinning? |
| 21:00.50 | cheal | Anduril: sorry, I haven't read everything, but which card do you have? |
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| 21:01.50 | JordiGH | Er, what's pinning? |
| 21:02.08 | thingfish | Solet-deb: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:02.11 | JordiGH | Solet-deb: Switch to KDE and konqueror. :P |
| 21:02.14 | Solet-deb | sarge |
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| 21:02.48 | thingfish | Solet-deb: I'd run memtest86+ if I were getting a lot of crashes or hangs. |
| 21:02.54 | jjazz | JordiGH: apt pinning is a way to specify in /etc/apt/preferences the preferred package sources (i.e. testing vs. unstable). I'm just wondering how /etc/apt/apt.conf interacts with /etc/apt/preferences. |
| 21:03.00 | Solet-deb | thingfish: i had this thing set up that mounts ftp like a remote file system... i cant remember what its called... but i think that may be whats killing it cause it only dies when i try to open up the ftp |
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| 21:03.52 | JordiGH | jjazz; I don't know, frankly. I didn't know about /etc/apt/preferences. The apt howto suggest that you put that line apt.conf, but perhaps it's out-of-date. Seems to work for me, though. |
| 21:04.19 | jjazz | JordiGH: I'm guessing it's the pinning that's the old advice, so I guess you're fine and I'm the one who is out of date. |
| 21:04.31 | Anduril | cheal: Gigabyte GA-K8N51PVMT-9 with GeForce 6150 integrated GPU |
| 21:04.34 | Solet-deb | how can i view all mounted volumes? |
| 21:04.50 | David3 | just type mount |
| 21:05.05 | jjazz | Solet-deb: cat /etc/mtab |
| 21:05.06 | David3 | solet-deb: or do you want a graphical tool? |
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| 21:07.04 | dbe | Solet-deb, swith to GNOME to support the free software movment which also is a social movement |
| 21:07.18 | Solet-deb | David3: i'm trying to figure out what i was using in the past to mount ftp's |
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| 21:07.35 | Solet-deb | dbe: i do use gnome |
| 21:07.37 | no0ke | any mp3 burner out there? |
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| 21:07.55 | JordiGH | Er, burner? Or ripper? |
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| 21:08.02 | no0ke | burner |
| 21:08.04 | JordiGH | !info xcdroast |
| 21:08.05 | no0ke | like nero |
| 21:08.12 | dpkg | xcdroast: (X based CD-writer software), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.98+0alpha15-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1833 kB, Installed size: 4664 kB |
| 21:08.12 | no0ke | !xcdroast |
| 21:08.12 | dpkg | xcdroast is, like, yet another frontend to cdrecord. |
| 21:08.15 | dbe | JordiGH, switch to GNOME to support the free software movment which also is a social movement |
| 21:08.24 | dbe | Solet-deb, wrong pers, sorry |
| 21:08.33 | JordiGH | dbe: KDE is now GPLed. Your objections are outdated. |
| 21:08.36 | David3 | solet-deb: I... don't think ftp is something you mount. Perhaps you mean nfs or samba? |
| 21:08.42 | JordiGH | dbe: So is Qt. |
| 21:08.54 | Solet-deb | david3: there was an app out there that did it |
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| 21:09.06 | dbe | JordiGH, I know, but GNOME supports the GNU project |
| 21:09.13 | Solet-deb | it mounted it like samba mounts windows shared folders... but it was via ftp... |
| 21:09.17 | Solet-deb | i think i may have found it |
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| 21:09.28 | JordiGH | That's enough support from me. :-) |
| 21:09.37 | dbe | JordiGH, ok =) |
| 21:09.39 | David3 | solet-deb: sounds nifty, if not slow! |
| 21:09.45 | Jimie- | nfokho |
| 21:09.51 | Solet-deb | found it its called lufs |
| 21:09.52 | dbe | JordiGH, I'm just cheking |
| 21:10.03 | MatBoy | JordiGH, I have managed it with the #debian-kde channel !! |
| 21:10.23 | JordiGH | MatBoy: Sweet. Good to know. I like KDE. Maybe I'll hang out in that channel too. |
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| 21:10.41 | zamaliphe | can any one test my http port 80 ? |
| 21:10.51 | JordiGH | zamaliphe: Sure. Give me an ip. |
| 21:10.52 | dbe | JordiGH, I use to speak with him also, I volutneer at stallman.org and gnu.org |
| 21:11.09 | MatBoy | JordiGH, I can advise it to you, great guys there ! |
| 21:11.17 | dbe | JordiGH, I admire hes philosophy |
| 21:11.18 | zamaliphe | JordiGH: /whois zamaliphe |
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| 21:11.42 | zamaliphe | JordiGH: 82.201.226.172 |
| 21:11.56 | Sceema | hhey i ssstttttutttter a bbbbit |
| 21:11.59 | Sceema | hahahahaha |
| 21:12.15 | JordiGH | That's not nice. I do stutter myself in person. :-( |
| 21:12.19 | cheal | Anduril: your card doesn't seem to be supported by the legacy drivers |
| 21:12.30 | Sceema | wow |
| 21:12.36 | Sceema | u sttttuuuutttttter] |
| 21:12.42 | Sceema | d ddd dd anm |
| 21:12.44 | David3 | zamaliphe: yeah I can see you |
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| 21:13.03 | JordiGH | zamaliphe: "php-nuke-exploit"? Tsk! |
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| 21:13.07 | Solet-deb | JordiGH: its not nice... but even you gotta admit... as random as that was.... it waspretty fuckin funny |
| 21:13.10 | David3 | zamaliphe: I see a virtual directory, with index11 and phpnukeexploit |
| 21:13.11 | Sceema | wats the topic |
| 21:13.22 | Anduril | cheal: Where did you read that? What about the non-legacy drivers? |
| 21:13.33 | JordiGH | zamaliphe: rename your index11.html to simply index.html |
| 21:13.43 | zamaliphe | David3: then why i cant see my self ???? |
| 21:14.08 | Solet-deb | where is the script that runs when a specific user logs in? |
| 21:14.13 | JordiGH | dbe: Me too. I'm a big rms groupie. I hope he signs my breasts when he comes. |
| 21:14.17 | David3 | zamaliphe: did you try http://localhost/ |
| 21:14.38 | dbe | JordiGH, comes where? and for what? |
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| 21:14.46 | zamaliphe | JordiGH: i still testing the server and then will work on it |
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| 21:14.52 | JordiGH | dbe: http://www.cimat.mx To give a talk. |
| 21:15.11 | JordiGH | zamaliphe: If you point your browser to localhost, what hapens? |
| 21:15.14 | David3 | Solet-deb: there are a few... I'm not sure how they all work together, but there is /etc/profile ~/.bash_profile ~/.bashrc and another one in /etc |
| 21:15.16 | ruied | how can I write two distinct commands at the same line prompt ? |
| 21:15.18 | zamaliphe | David3: i mean from out side 82.201.226.172 |
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| 21:15.25 | jjazz | JordiGH: Where is that conference? |
| 21:15.27 | dbe | JordiGH, oh |
| 21:15.29 | cheal | Anduril: I didn't read that, but this is what I deduce from the presence of 6150 in the current drivers' README and its absence in the legacy drivers' README. the current drivers should support it. |
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| 21:15.42 | zamaliphe | JordiGH: i can see it |
| 21:15.44 | David3 | Solet-deb: oh, and sometimes root user has yet another |
| 21:15.46 | Sceema | hello andrea |
| 21:15.52 | jelly-ho | ruied: put a ; after the first one if you want to run them sequentially |
| 21:15.58 | JordiGH | jjazz: In .mx |
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| 21:16.10 | zamaliphe | JordiGH: but i cant see http://82.201.226.172 |
| 21:16.15 | Solet-deb | david3: isnt there one for each user tho? like there are things that happen when i (solet) log in that dont happen when my room mate logs in |
| 21:16.17 | ruied | jelly-ho: thanks| ;) |
| 21:16.33 | secher | Sceema: sorry, she's already taken. <grin> |
| 21:16.44 | David3 | Solet-deb: yeah that's what the ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile are for. "~" = /home/yourusername |
| 21:16.45 | Anduril | cheal: Which drivers do you mean by "the current"? |
| 21:16.45 | blondie | zamaliphe: that's probably to do with your routing |
| 21:16.52 | jjazz | JordiGH: And when is it? |
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| 21:17.27 | cheal | Anduril: the latest drivers released by NVIDIA. you can read that support for 6150 was added in 1.0-8174 in the release highlights |
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| 21:17.30 | riot | heyho. |
| 21:17.36 | jelly-ho | ruied: or put & to put the first one into background and run the second immediately, like this: sleep 10 & echo foo |
| 21:17.36 | JordiGH | jjazz: In September. He's going to be in other .mx locations at the time, so I get him without need of paying for his plane ticket! I wish I could pay for his girlfriend's airfare, though. |
| 21:17.37 | riot | this chan gets bigger every week, heh??? |
| 21:17.39 | ruied | is there any bash command to make a 'delay' (3 seconds) ? |
| 21:17.50 | cheal | ruied: try #bash |
| 21:17.55 | riot | gotta teach dpkg some nu stuff :) WIMP is also CRAP. (Use ion, folks *g*) |
| 21:17.58 | ruied | ok |
| 21:17.59 | David3 | ruied: sleep |
| 21:18.04 | JordiGH | riot: That's a good thing. We must overcome The Ubuntu Menace. |
| 21:18.08 | cheal | riot: not really, it's pretty constant |
| 21:18.19 | secher | I installed a package with dpkg, but module-assistant uses apt to check installed packages. How do I force apt to realize ndiswrapper-utils has been installed already? |
| 21:18.20 | riot | JordiGH: FULL ACK |
| 21:18.21 | Anduril | cheal: And those are only available for unstable I suppose? |
| 21:18.24 | zamaliphe | blondie: i have open the 80 port and forward it to my local ip ??? |
| 21:18.29 | riot | cheal: methinks i saw this chan at 700 users last month |
| 21:18.40 | ruied | David3: thanks... |
| 21:18.42 | jjazz | JordiGH: Somebody will get her tab. That's how it usually works. I forgot he was going to Mexico. |
| 21:18.58 | cheal | riot: yes, but you would soon see it back to 700 if you stayed some time |
| 21:19.03 | blondie | zamaliphe: yes, but your router probably isn't routing from inside your lan to its external interface in that way |
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| 21:19.10 | riot | cheal: ok.. could be.. darn timezones ;) |
| 21:19.31 | cheal | Anduril: yes |
| 21:19.35 | zamaliphe | blondie: then do you have an idea |
| 21:19.47 | riot | cheal: i was staying all the time. I am some pro-idler, because my debian systems DON'T GET OFFLINE. |
| 21:20.00 | riot | cheal: i was just not watching stats here :) |
| 21:20.02 | JordiGH | jjazz: You're a groupie too? You read his travel blog? |
| 21:20.08 | blondie | zamaliphe: umm |
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| 21:20.20 | secher | I'll rephrase that last question, it could have been confusing. How do I get apt to recognize a package that has been installed with dpkg? |
| 21:20.20 | zamaliphe | blondie: can you check it for your self ? |
| 21:20.24 | jjazz | JordiGH: No, not a groupie. But I work with him. He's currently down the hall from me. |
| 21:20.25 | cheal | riot: hehe |
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| 21:20.55 | riot | allright.. gotta idle again ;) (more like: visit my student's bar of todays choice and drink more cocktails) |
| 21:20.58 | JordiGH | jjazz: Interesting! Who are you? |
| 21:21.10 | blondie | zamaliphe: yes it works, but it doesnt for you because you're inside your network |
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| 21:21.32 | Anduril | cheal: Hmm, that's too bad. |
| 21:21.32 | foogle | what do I modprobe to get my 3com nic to work |
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| 21:21.51 | jjazz | JordiGH: Nobody important. Just another free software guy. No need to start reading my travel blog! |
| 21:21.55 | zamaliphe | blondie: the router is yours now |
| 21:21.56 | streuner | foogle: tried kmuto's website? |
| 21:22.17 | JordiGH | jjazz: How big is the FSF? I reckon that's where you're working, right? |
| 21:22.19 | foogle | streuner: whats that? |
| 21:22.20 | streuner | foogle: i hope that's not ISA :-) |
| 21:22.22 | blondie | zamaliphe: eh |
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| 21:22.35 | foogle | streuner: no its pci |
| 21:22.38 | zamaliphe | blondie: tray my ip again ? |
| 21:22.41 | cheal | Anduril: kind of. the NVIDIA drivers are too buggy, so it's still good that some of them are not in testing |
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| 21:22.52 | onetinsoldier | hello people |
| 21:22.53 | streuner | !tell foogle about driver locator |
| 21:22.54 | blondie | zamaliphe: no worky |
| 21:22.54 | jjazz | JordiGH: No, I'm not with the FSF. But they're around a dozen people or so, or at least that's how many people I saw last time I was there. |
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| 21:23.35 | cheal | secher: what do you mean by "recognize"? |
| 21:23.53 | zamaliphe | blondie: mybe need reboot |
| 21:24.27 | secher | cheal: in installed a package with dpkg, but apt-get refuses to admit it's already installed. |
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| 21:25.02 | junix|work | what package do i need to isntall for png to get nagios up and running? |
| 21:25.05 | cheal | secher: how did you diagnose that? |
| 21:25.06 | secher | cheal: so I'm wondering how to convince apt that said package is installed. |
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| 21:25.17 | ylooc | hi. i have postfix totally (binaries too) chrooted in /chroot/postfix. then i have apache2 totally (binaries too) chrooted in /chroot/apache2. The problem is now, how to sendmail from apache2(+php) using postfix in other chroot. Do you know for any (working) sendmail wrapper which would forward every mail to localhost:25 ? |
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| 21:25.55 | cheal | junix|work: what do you mean by "isntall for png"? |
| 21:26.11 | Sceema | hhehehehello |
| 21:26.16 | junix|work | i need to have the gdImagePng package for nagios to work |
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| 21:26.29 | Sceema | i hahahahahave a ssstttuuutttere probbblemm |
| 21:26.32 | JordiGH | secher: That sounds awfully wrong. Are you sure dpkg installed it? Sometimes overriding apt gives dependency problems and dpkg refuses to install. |
| 21:26.36 | Anduril | cheal: Do you have any idea what I should do? Did you know the support in xserver-xorg for my GPU? |
| 21:27.04 | secher | cheal: when I run module-assistant, it tell me that ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 is not installed, however, that is exactly the same package I installed with dpkg. I also tried to run apt-get install ndiswrappper-utils, and apt wants to go out and ftp the package, when it's already local in /var/cahce/apt/archives |
| 21:27.05 | JordiGH | secher: And if you did install it, did you install the right version? Maybe apt is trying to get a new version. |
| 21:27.33 | Sceema | he FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU |
| 21:27.36 | cheal | Anduril: I'm not sure what you mean. there should be 3 X.org drivers supporting your GPU, namely vesa, nv and nvidia. do you want/need 3D acceleration? |
| 21:27.43 | secher | JordiGH: unlikely, I"ve not done an update for a few days. |
| 21:27.52 | blondie | bye retard |
| 21:27.56 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 21:28.08 | junix|work | cheal: ...? |
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| 21:28.41 | cheal | secher: what does $ dpkg -l ndiswrapper-ut|grep ii; return? |
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| 21:29.18 | Anduril | cheal: Well I am setting up a HTPC so I don't need 3D. My initial question (before you start reading) was that I got an error starting X with the xorg driver for nvidia. |
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| 21:30.14 | cheal | Anduril: yeah, I red that but assumed you wanted to keep nvidia. if you don't need 3D, I'm not sure why you installed nvidia. assuming it works, nv should be more stable |
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| 21:31.16 | onetinsoldier | anyone here use ntfsprogs? i am trying to get an ntfs partition mounted but i get an error that /dev/fuse does not exist |
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| 21:31.45 | Anduril | cheal: Well, the only reason is that i am desperate... I only want it to work with anything else than vesa |
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| 21:32.09 | secher | cheal: ii ndiswrapper-utils 1.8-2 userspace utilities for ndiswrapper |
| 21:32.14 | Azar | Anduril: did you applied the nvidia one-liner with xorg stanza, or with xfree stanza? |
| 21:32.17 | veleno | hello. how can I reconfigure my mouse? the mouse wheel doesn't work properly anymore (after a massive update) |
| 21:32.19 | JordiGH | Anduril: I wasn't tracking your problem. Sorry the one-liner didn't work. I think you're the first one I know who had that problem. :-( |
| 21:32.23 | cheal | junix|work: which libgd2* packages are installed? |
| 21:32.31 | cheal | Anduril: try nv |
| 21:32.36 | streuner | !wheelmouse |
| 21:32.41 | streuner | !mousewheel |
| 21:32.41 | dpkg | historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 21:32.46 | junix|work | cheal: how do i find that ? |
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| 21:33.35 | jnjb | bonjour a tous je tatonne avec irc est le wifi |
| 21:33.40 | Azar | !fr |
| 21:33.40 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:33.56 | no0ke | i need a mp3 burner |
| 21:33.58 | cheal | secher: sorry for the wrong command. $ dpkg -l ndiswrapper-ut*|grep ii; doesn't output anything else than that? |
| 21:34.03 | no0ke | app that burns mp3 |
| 21:34.27 | Anduril | cheal: OK, I will do that. A 'man nv' says: "GeForce 6XXX NV40, NV41, NV43, NV44, NV45" |
| 21:34.41 | cheal | junix|work: perhaps $ dpkg -l libgd2*|grep ii; |
| 21:35.00 | jnjb | sorry i have hope was on debian-fr. Its the first time i usse irc |
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| 21:35.33 | junix|work | cheal: ii libgd2-noxpm 2.0.33-1.1 GD Graphics Library version 2 (without XPM s |
| 21:35.38 | secher | cheal: hrm.. 5 lines, each starting with "no packages found matching", including 18-2_all.deb, which is the one I installed. |
| 21:35.52 | Azar | jnjb type: /join #debian-fr to arrive there |
| 21:36.25 | cheal | secher: oh, then $ dpkg -l 'ndiswrapper-ut*'|grep ii |
| 21:36.32 | zamaliphe | blondie: looks like it wont work |
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| 21:36.36 | K|NgGh0sT | Wondering if someone could help me install a DVB-S Card? I'm searched google for the last 20 hrs, I cant find much regarding the install |
| 21:36.41 | veleno | streuner, this is what i have in my xorg.conf http://veleno.pastebin.com/723473 |
| 21:36.43 | cheal | junix|work: which nagios version? |
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| 21:37.50 | secher | cheal: 2 are listed: ndiswrapper-utils 1.8-2 and: ndiswrapper-utils-1.7 1.8-2 |
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| 21:38.41 | junix|work | cheal: 2.3.1 |
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| 21:39.22 | streuner | veleno: PS/2? |
| 21:39.45 | cheal | secher: are you sure you installed ndiswrapper-utils-1.8? what's the .deb's filename? |
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| 21:40.11 | Anduril | Thanks to those who tried to help me! I need to catch a few hours sleep before I need to go to work... |
| 21:40.16 | veleno | streuner, it's a logitech mouse, usb. |
| 21:40.16 | secher | cheal: ndiswrapper-utils_18-2_all.deb |
| 21:40.26 | veleno | streuner, and it was working |
| 21:40.52 | Watty | hi, im trying to setup debian sarge 3.1 net install but it cant find my hard drives. They are SATA drives and I cannot find any linux drivers on the gigabyte website, does anyone have any suggestions please? |
| 21:40.55 | cheal | secher: that looks like ndiswrapper-utils, not ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 |
| 21:41.14 | streuner | veleno: try this Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false" |
| 21:41.38 | onetinsoldier | i am trying to get an ntfs partition mounted but i get an error that /dev/fuse does not exist. anyone able to help me? |
| 21:41.46 | veleno | streuner, should I reboot ? is it enough to re-login through gdm ? |
| 21:41.50 | Baltazar | Watty: try installing 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:42.01 | perrys | Watty check your bios, whitch to lagacy mode for the ide if you have it. |
| 21:42.13 | streuner | veleno: simply restart X should be enough |
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| 21:43.10 | veleno | streuner, ./xserver-xorg restart is enough then.. |
| 21:43.21 | veleno | streuner, if so..it's not working :( |
| 21:43.55 | Watty | Baltazar - ive tried 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 21:43.58 | streuner | veleno: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 21:44.03 | Watty | perrys - i dont have ide just sata |
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| 21:44.31 | veleno | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:44.32 | jhenn | does debian stable support the ralink 2500 chipset? |
| 21:44.46 | raf256 | why in the hell PSI do not have SSL plugin? |
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| 21:44.53 | macks | my server host messed up and set the default search for apt to the cdrom drive...could someone tell me how i change it to the internet? |
| 21:45.16 | perrys | Watty yes but in your system bios when you reboot and hit F1 or F2 or something. That is where you make the change. |
| 21:45.22 | cheal | jhenn: not really. at least, it doesn't have a driver for it |
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| 21:45.41 | secher | cheal: I ftped all of the ndiswrapper packages from /pool/n/ndiswrapper/ and burned them to CD. the only other ndiswrapper-utils 18 I have is ndiswrapper-utils-18_116-1.deb which is for AMD. I'm not sure I'm understanding you. There's a differene between ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-utils-1.8? I thought ndiswrapper-utils was a convenient convention to name which ever version was currently installed. Am I incorrect? |
| 21:45.43 | Watty | so i just enable legacy mode for ide in the bios? |
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| 21:45.50 | Watty | perrys ^^^ |
| 21:46.31 | cheal | junix|work: there's no gdImagePng package |
| 21:46.33 | perrys | Watty- yes, if it is there. then it will just work. ran into the same problem a couple of months ago. |
| 21:46.43 | Watty | ok thanks buddy |
| 21:46.52 | Watty | i'm sure it'll have that |
| 21:46.54 | secher | Egad I can't wait until I can afford to buy a NIC that actually works with GNU/Linux. |
| 21:47.20 | Hagfish | any point adding /dev/null to /etc/shells? |
| 21:47.34 | junix|work | cheal: i know, installed the libpng3 package...but when i run the configure it says its not compiled in... |
| 21:47.38 | streuner | veleno: any errors in /var/log/X*.log or/and .xsession.log? |
| 21:47.56 | syle | not unless you set that as home dir for someones ftp etc hagfish |
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| 21:48.23 | cheal | junix|work: ...which configure? |
| 21:48.44 | syle | errr not home dir, shell |
| 21:48.53 | Hagfish | syle: i want a user who can't log in, but does have a home dir |
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| 21:49.22 | syle | then you should set them to /bin/false |
| 21:49.31 | Hagfish | what's the difference? |
| 21:49.33 | syle | and add that to /etc/shells |
| 21:49.33 | cheal | secher: yes, there's a difference. yes, you're incorrect. you may want to check ndiswrapper-utils's description? |
| 21:49.52 | syle | not sure, thats how everyones been doing it for 10 years |
| 21:50.00 | syle | webhosting etc |
| 21:50.03 | veleno | streuner, i can see "(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded" in Xorg.0.log |
| 21:50.15 | syle | but /bin/false is to allow ftp |
| 21:50.17 | secher | cheal: checking now. |
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| 21:50.22 | syle | but not ssh , telnet etc |
| 21:50.50 | junix|work | cheal: the ./configure in the nagios source |
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| 21:51.16 | evilhen | can anybody tell me what function smallyes in /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions does? I'm trying to use debootstrap on non-debian system (for xen-hosts) and get broken pipe within this function. what does it do? |
| 21:51.17 | streuner | veleno: paste the whole log into paster bot |
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| 21:51.19 | streuner | !paste |
| 21:51.19 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:51.30 | streuner | veleno: ^^^^^ |
| 21:51.33 | syle | if you don;t want a user to login just modify /etc/shadow and set a null password |
| 21:51.51 | syle | that is proper way to do it |
| 21:51.53 | dao | I'm using etch on my ancient laptop, and I can't get xdm to start at boot, allready changed inittab to start with runlevel 5... any suggestions? |
| 21:51.54 | raf256 | why there is libqssl-dev but no libqssl O_o ?? Psi needs it to use SSL |
| 21:51.58 | syle | use a * |
| 21:52.10 | Hagfish | syle: interesting |
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| 21:52.23 | Hagfish | having a /bin makes more sense than a /dev, semantically |
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| 21:52.58 | syle | take a look at your current /etc/shadow |
| 21:53.11 | veleno | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2566 |
| 21:53.12 | syle | you have mail news halt etc users with * as passwd |
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| 21:53.19 | Hagfish | ah right |
| 21:53.41 | syle | a simple adduser joeblow will accomplish the same thing |
| 21:54.23 | junix|work | cheal: ...?? |
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| 21:54.48 | cheal | junix|work: you're trying to compile nagios from upstream sources? |
| 21:55.00 | junix|work | tar abll |
| 21:55.02 | junix|work | ball |
| 21:55.06 | junix|work | but yes |
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| 21:56.03 | phaedrus44 | uh..i made a huge mistake... |
| 21:56.08 | cheal | junix|work: I won't help you with that. try being more vague in your questions in the future |
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| 21:56.19 | phaedrus44 | when i installed all my apps and fluxbox, i did so as root login |
| 21:56.31 | phaedrus44 | now when i login as a user i have major problems... |
| 21:56.40 | phaedrus44 | ever heard of this or have a quick fix? |
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| 21:57.20 | veleno | streuner, i've just noticed those EE related to the glx module for the nvidia driver...i can't believe it is related to the mouse stuff...can it ? |
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| 21:58.06 | streuner | veleno: do you use 'nvidia' or 'nv'? |
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| 21:58.30 | veleno | streuner, nv |
| 21:58.43 | veleno | streuner, i mean: the one from nvidia.com |
| 21:58.51 | Azar | phaedrus44: what "problems"? |
| 21:59.08 | xirjs | where do i find mplayer packages ... ? |
| 21:59.10 | phaedrus44 | can connect to gtk basically |
| 21:59.16 | Azar | veleno: the driver from nvidia.com is not a debianized package. Won't work |
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| 21:59.37 | onetinsoldier | xirjs: in non-free |
| 21:59.42 | Azar | phaedrus44: honestly I never used fluxbox, I am using openbox3 and very happy with it |
| 21:59.45 | phaedrus44 | cannot connect to gtk |
| 21:59.49 | veleno | Azar, it has always worked. |
| 21:59.52 | onetinsoldier | xirjs: i think |
| 21:59.53 | phaedrus44 | oh...openbox? |
| 21:59.58 | phaedrus44 | is it fun ? |
| 21:59.58 | Azar | veleno: not in Debian |
| 22:00.02 | veleno | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2567 there's my xorg.conf |
| 22:00.03 | xirjs | onetinsoldier: can i get it anywhere else? |
| 22:00.06 | Azar | phaedrus44: for me is the best ever |
| 22:00.07 | veleno | Azar, yes, in my unstable. |
| 22:00.17 | veleno | Azar, i assure you. |
| 22:00.20 | onetinsoldier | xirjs: would you like to download and compile it? |
| 22:00.25 | Azar | veleno: ah, unstable... sorry no experience with sid |
| 22:00.31 | streuner | veleno: if you using third-party driver we cant help |
| 22:00.33 | cheal | onetinsoldier / xirjs : mplayer isn't in non-free |
| 22:00.38 | xirjs | onetinsoldier: no, isn't there an other apt-source for that |
| 22:00.48 | cheal | !tell xirjs about mplayer |
| 22:00.53 | veleno | streuner, do my mouse problem is related with glx stuff? |
| 22:00.54 | Azar | veleno: it might be done, but it will crash on you now and then |
| 22:00.58 | streuner | veleno: remove that stuff and install nvidia-glx or simply run 'nv' |
| 22:01.02 | onetinsoldier | cheal: ok.. sorry. wasn't sure. i know there is a source for it though. just not sure where |
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| 22:01.06 | phaedrus44 | ill go try openbox |
| 22:01.08 | phaedrus44 | : ) |
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| 22:01.11 | streuner | veleno: no |
| 22:01.23 | cheal | onetinsoldier: yeah, see the factoid if you want to know |
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| 22:01.52 | efaistos | do you know why i cant print ... I've got the message client-error-not-possible |
| 22:01.55 | efaistos | under cups |
| 22:01.59 | Azar | veleno: forcing 3rd party software on Debian is like hammering a screw in the wall |
| 22:02.06 | onetinsoldier | xirjs: sorry, i can't really help. i just know i have seen there is .deb packages for it somewhere and it is possible to download it with apt-get |
| 22:02.47 | Azar | xirjs: hold one one moment |
| 22:02.58 | efaistos | do you know why i cant print ... I've got the message client-error-not-possible under cups ... bu i installed cupsys-cleint cupsys-bsd and other pkgs ... |
| 22:03.30 | onetinsoldier | !tell xirjs about mplayer |
| 22:03.43 | stoned | i'M UP |
| 22:03.46 | Azar | xirjs: take 15 min and read this, is good for you: http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm |
| 22:03.46 | Alphix | xirjs: google for marillat and mplayer and you'll find the repo |
| 22:03.50 | stoned | doh caps lock |
| 22:03.59 | stoned | !marillat |
| 22:03.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 22:04.44 | stoned | Sometimes mplayer screws up and I have to use VLC |
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| 22:04.50 | siarom | Previsao for launching of Xgl in debian?? |
| 22:04.50 | Azar | xirjs: what stoned/dpkg said up ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:04.55 | siarom | Prevision for launching of Xgl in debian?? |
| 22:05.18 | lewis | evening all - ever heard of a 'ftp shell' for debian, so that when a user logs in via SSH, it goes straight to FTP, and if they quit, the session quits? |
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| 22:05.23 | stoned | vision before vision |
| 22:05.26 | Azar | siarom: you mean requirments for Xgl in debian? |
| 22:05.31 | cheal | siarom: what's your native language? |
| 22:06.02 | siarom | portuguese - brazilian =( |
| 22:06.09 | stoned | #debian-br? |
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| 22:06.32 | streuner | !br |
| 22:06.32 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:06.32 | Azar | !br |
| 22:06.56 | Azar | dpkg sorry :) |
| 22:07.05 | stoned | Azar, quit ridin the bot ;) |
| 22:07.10 | streuner | heh |
| 22:07.12 | kspath | Azar: You are getting very slow in your old age. :-) |
| 22:07.28 | Azar | stoned: he warned me about doubled request |
| 22:07.29 | bztunk | lewis: sftp? |
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| 22:07.42 | stoned | I didn't take ANY of my finals, and I got B/B/B/C |
| 22:07.53 | kspath | Azar: dpkg hates me now. |
| 22:07.54 | stoned | If I had taken my finals I coulda made A A A B |
| 22:07.56 | stoned | oh well |
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| 22:08.20 | stoned | work hard all semester and then be exempt from the final |
| 22:08.39 | Azar | stoned: you got a lazy during school this year, you got the chance to fix this |
| 22:08.41 | diowork | is zimbra the only project for linux with exchange like functions? |
| 22:08.43 | lewis | I want to use rsync (with public keys) and ftp (with password) without SSH access, and without using RSSH. What can I do? |
| 22:08.45 | kspath | Azar: I told it to forget two useless factoids about cheese and milk and now dpkg just pretends I do not exist. |
| 22:08.45 | stoned | I got one of the admins to install sarge on one of the pcs in the computer lab |
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| 22:08.59 | stoned | slowly I shall have debian take over my school |
| 22:09.04 | efaistos | do you know why i cant print ... I've got the message client-error-not-possible under cups ... bu i installed cupsys-cleint cupsys-bsd and other pkgs ... |
| 22:09.04 | Azar | kspath: you are on his ignore |
| 22:09.05 | stoned | hopefully, but it wont happen, fuckin MS owns it all |
| 22:09.10 | hazard_ | can you use wine to run a windows device driver? |
| 22:09.10 | efaistos | oups |
| 22:09.16 | kspath | Azar: exactly. |
| 22:09.23 | streuner | hazard_: haha |
| 22:09.58 | stoned | lol, device driver lol |
| 22:10.11 | hazard_ | ??? |
| 22:10.16 | iter | hazard_: no |
| 22:10.21 | streuner | hazard_: why do you think you need a windows device driver? |
| 22:10.25 | bztunk | stoned: thank you captain obvious |
| 22:10.30 | stoned | hehe, sorry mate |
| 22:10.58 | kspath | bztunk: Umm. Captain Obvious is my title. I would appreciate some respect. |
| 22:10.58 | hazard_ | beacause as far as I know, a wireless card I havehas no linux support |
| 22:11.03 | DODoherty | anyone know of a IRC client for web browser that I can install on my web server apart from CGI::IRC? |
| 22:11.14 | bztunk | kspath: sorry :( |
| 22:11.15 | quitte | hazard_: nics are supported by ndiswrapper |
| 22:11.17 | liable | hazard_: ndiswrapper is what you want |
| 22:11.22 | streuner | hazard_: sounds like you need ^^^ |
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| 22:11.58 | streuner | hazard_: ndiswrapper.sf.net search for debian |
| 22:12.10 | hazard_ | Already found it. |
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| 22:12.21 | hazard_ | Yes, I think this is what I was thinking of, thanks. |
| 22:12.37 | quitte | hazard_: what nic is it? |
| 22:12.42 | stoned | DODoherty, is java alright |
| 22:12.47 | Ugly_Duck | whats "encap:UNSPEC" mean when you ifconfig and its listed on a device? |
| 22:12.52 | hazard_ | AWD154 (super cheapo 54G wireless) |
| 22:13.06 | streuner | o_O |
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| 22:13.33 | quitte | hazard_: what does lspci say? |
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| 22:13.45 | streuner | hazard_: did you look if the NIC is supported by linux before you bought that? |
| 22:13.47 | stoned | DODoherty, you can use Jpilot/Jchat, thats the only other one I know of besides CGI IR |
| 22:13.50 | hazard_ | I dunno, I haven't actually tried yet, I'm just thinking about it. |
| 22:13.51 | stoned | IRC* |
| 22:14.05 | hazard_ | No, it was gotten by somebody else for something else, but I've ended up with it anyway. |
| 22:14.22 | kspath | hand me downs :-) |
| 22:14.31 | hazard_ | yes, that's what all my stuff is... |
| 22:14.36 | stoned | silly question. how far apart (in time) are etch/sid packages |
| 22:14.43 | stoned | 1 month? |
| 22:14.47 | stoned | 1 week? |
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| 22:14.56 | kspath | stoned: 1 year in dog years |
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| 22:15.14 | schizoschaf | i have a scanner working with xsane as root only |
| 22:15.16 | stoned | kspath, I forgot the link I had bookmarked about debian distros etc. |
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| 22:15.22 | stoned | I been trying to find it but I am high |
| 22:15.23 | schizoschaf | i'm not quite sure what to change |
| 22:15.34 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 22:15.34 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 22:15.59 | kspath | stoned: I thought people that get high claim it expands their minds. I think it clouds/alters so they believe it. |
| 22:17.17 | stoned | kspath, wake n bake has me retarded for about half an hour, then I get hyper when the budd kicks in, its a slow start. Anyway, after how long (not considering anything else like bugs, immagine there are very few) after a package is in sid then it gets moved to etch |
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| 22:17.49 | kspath | hehehe |
| 22:18.03 | stoned | I've gone through 20 links so far on the main page, debiano.org |
| 22:18.15 | stoned | I can't find this, I lost my fuckin bookmark file and its pissin me off |
| 22:18.16 | lewis | anyone know a debian package which contains 'extra shells' including a 'ftp-only' related one? |
| 22:18.29 | Ugly_Duck | whats "encap:UNSPEC" mean? |
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| 22:18.45 | kspath | encapsulation unspecified? |
| 22:18.52 | kspath | speeelling. |
| 22:19.35 | hazard_ | hmmm....it appears to be supported by ndiswrapper |
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| 22:19.51 | stoned | man, none of the pages I find tell me the time line of a sid package before it moves into etch |
| 22:19.56 | phogg | lewis: ftp only shell? FTP launches a shell? |
| 22:19.58 | stoned | someone here has to know, please oblige me |
| 22:20.29 | quitte | hazard_: if that is yukon marvell has drivers for it. |
| 22:20.32 | phogg | stoned: there is no fixed time period, afaik |
| 22:20.45 | stoned | hmm, ok |
| 22:20.48 | hazard_ | Marvell Technology Group Ltd? |
| 22:21.06 | stoned | for some reason I thought there was an approx. of 2 weeks to 1 month |
| 22:21.12 | stoned | why do I remember that? |
| 22:21.17 | lewis | no, when they try to ssh in to the box, their shell in /etc/passwd will launch ftp, and restrict them to that |
| 22:21.17 | Ryushin | Iin bash, how would I test a variable to see if it's a numerical value or a string of characters? |
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| 22:21.36 | lordnazgul | stoned it moves over when it and all of its dependencies have no bugs that interfere with other software |
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| 22:21.59 | phogg | stoned: proabably your figure is some kind of general average |
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| 22:22.03 | k-god | Ryushin: There's no strict alpha/numeric test AFAIR. Grep might be your best bet. |
| 22:22.07 | stoned | lordnazgul, I know that, I said not consdering anything else like bugs etc., just the time, but nm I suppose |
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| 22:22.17 | jbrimble | What's the apt-get command to install MySQL 5.0? |
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| 22:22.48 | phogg | jbrimble: apt-get install the_mysql_5_package_name_which_you_can_find_out_many_easy_ways |
| 22:22.50 | Ryushin | k-god: Yea, I'm starting to think that too. |
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| 22:23.30 | quitte | hazard_: yes. and from a quick look it is even gpled. you should have a look. if you dont want to accept the license to download i can give the gpl'ed stuff to you,too ;) |
| 22:23.44 | stoned | jbrimble, apt-get install mysql-server will work, I *think* that meta package installs 5. Do apt-cache search mysql|grep 5.0 |
| 22:23.48 | lordnazgul | stoned in that case just whenever the devs feel that they have tested it enough. i would say your extimate of a couple of weeks, would probably be relatively close, again barring any bugs in it or any dependencies |
| 22:23.52 | hazard_ | na, i THink I'm good... |
| 22:24.08 | stoned | lordnazgul, word |
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| 22:25.16 | hazard_ | hmmm....ok, now I think I can handle that.... |
| 22:25.21 | deadcat | damn. vim7 is pretty nice (= |
| 22:25.27 | hazard_ | now, how would I setup a wireless...bridge? |
| 22:25.33 | stoned | hey its deadcat |
| 22:26.02 | deadcat | ya. havent been here in a while. nothing much happening lately |
| 22:26.10 | stoned | not alot |
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| 22:26.14 | quitte | hazard_: uhm the thing i found is for a gbit nic. but there wassome page claiming that marvell provides a sample implementation driver. |
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| 22:26.25 | stoned | I've been playing the hell out of some morrowind oblivion |
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| 22:26.34 | jbrimble | I've just installed debian and i've forgotten my root password, what can i do? |
| 22:26.52 | stoned | trying to find a way tyo make it work on linux, but cedega will go as far as install it, when times comes to play, CD is in the drive, but won't read copy protection |
| 22:26.54 | deadcat | stoned: i am just waiting for some new xorg related toys (= |
| 22:27.05 | hazard_ | meh, even so, it seems I can get the card running under ndiswrapper if nothing else, but even so, it would be pointless to do so if I can't get bridging working. |
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| 22:27.28 | lewis | what would happen if a user's shell was /usr/bin/ftp? |
| 22:27.29 | jclinton | anyone know why FTPmasters is so backlogged? |
| 22:27.33 | quitte | hazard_: google for reasons to not use ndiswrapper. there are a lot |
| 22:27.41 | jclinton | the NEW queue has 215 packages in it |
| 22:27.45 | hazard_ | I'm sure. |
| 22:27.55 | quitte | hazard_: bridging sometimes works with it,though |
| 22:28.14 | stew | jclinton: they are drunk in .mx? |
| 22:28.14 | zinx | quitte: WPA doesn't work without it for either of the adapters I have :/ |
| 22:28.16 | hazard_ | but windows won't do what I want, it won't make a transparent bridge (the best it can do is sharing, which is useless) |
| 22:28.41 | stoned | hazard_, get rid of windows |
| 22:28.45 | stew | actually i don't know if that many of the ftp masters are in .mx |
| 22:28.48 | hazard_ | precisely |
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| 22:28.59 | stoned | hazard_, or you can buy linux compatible hardware |
| 22:29.05 | quitte | zinx: don'T you have a flat? just give some of your bandwidth away. |
| 22:29.07 | hazard_ | but that would cost money.... |
| 22:29.11 | stoned | I don't buy hardware unless I know for a fact linux drivers exist |
| 22:29.21 | hazard_ | I don't buy hardware.... |
| 22:29.21 | zinx | quitte: no can do |
| 22:29.29 | zinx | quitte: and, no. |
| 22:29.47 | stoned | hazard_, is it for work? |
| 22:29.50 | quitte | zinx: there still is vpn |
| 22:29.55 | hazard_ | no, just play stuff |
| 22:30.01 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:30.03 | zinx | quitte: i fail to see what that has to do with anything |
| 22:30.24 | hazard_ | really I hate wireless almost as much as windows since its slow, high latency and unreliable (not to mention unsecure) |
| 22:30.34 | quitte | zinx: you can use that to secure your wireless network |
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| 22:30.39 | dao | X won't start at bootup on my ancient laptop using etch... it says entering runlevel 5 but I don't get the graphical login (xdm)...can anybody help me with this? |
| 22:30.43 | zinx | quitte: I'd really rather use WPA. |
| 22:31.09 | zinx | quitte: and I don't have much confidence in drivers that require non-standard tools to do -anything- with the interface. |
| 22:31.15 | quitte | zinx: and accepting non-free software running in kernelmode? if you think so... |
| 22:31.24 | stoned | hazard_, it doesn't matter if you have wireless, the security factor remains like so, ssl/ssh over any medium are secure |
| 22:31.36 | stoned | be it wireless, or landline |
| 22:31.43 | hazard_ | I know. |
| 22:31.44 | zinx | quitte: I'm not so anal when it comes to free/non-free. |
| 22:31.47 | stew | dao: did you enable xdm in runlevel 5? debian doesn't treat 2-5 any differently by default. what happens when you "/etc/init.d/xdm start" ? |
| 22:31.56 | hazard_ | But I mean bandwith-stealing secure. |
| 22:32.13 | hazard_ | Mind you I don't really do anything that requires much security (80% of the time) |
| 22:32.13 | Azar | zinx: support never should lead to extremism |
| 22:32.18 | quitte | zinx: the non-free/free is about security,too. just like wpa. |
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| 22:32.53 | row | anyone know howto change username not the nick in irssi? |
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| 22:32.59 | stoned | hazard_, turn off dhcp, use an uncommon numbmer for your ip range, change your SSID, and enable whatever security features you have as well as WPA |
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| 22:33.12 | stoned | wireless can't be secured? its not entirely accurate |
| 22:33.20 | cheal | row: ask #irssi |
| 22:33.21 | hazard_ | .....you're missing my point. |
| 22:33.23 | Azar | just look at ESR: from hero felt in ridiculous |
| 22:33.26 | phaedrus_ | hey wussup |
| 22:33.29 | phaedrus_ | i just switched to openbox |
| 22:33.34 | quitte | row: edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 22:33.36 | stoned | hazard_, I am trying not to :) |
| 22:33.40 | Azar | phaedrus_: how it feels? |
| 22:33.43 | row | quitte: the only way? |
| 22:33.46 | phogg | Ryushin: if you use bash3 or above you can do [[ $variable =~ [a-zA-Z] ]] (or any regex) to check variable contents. |
| 22:33.46 | liable | quitte: huh? for irssi? |
| 22:33.49 | phaedrus_ | i like it..but no task bar? |
| 22:33.56 | hazard_ | even if wireless didn't broadcast (even without ssids), its still slower than wires, and has terrible latencies |
| 22:33.57 | jbrimble | hmm, when i use apt-cache search, It shows an older version of MySQL.. Whats a good place I can add to my sources file? |
| 22:34.02 | dao | stew, I think I tried this, but didn't work, should there be any message after 'xdm start'? |
| 22:34.03 | liable | row: check your .irssi dir, its in one of those files |
| 22:34.05 | quitte | liable: didn't he say _not_ for irssi? |
| 22:34.07 | stoned | phaedrus_, xfce |
| 22:34.09 | row | liable: ta |
| 22:34.09 | Azar | phaedrus_: you gonna get used to it, now you got the entire screen just for yourself |
| 22:34.15 | orchid | row /set user_name |
| 22:34.17 | anabain | does anyone know which are the most standard settings in order to burn a data cdrom? My problem is that w$ does not recognize linux-recorded sessions... |
| 22:34.17 | hazard_ | not to mention that wireless is much more fineky about staying connected, where as wires take a catastrophic event. |
| 22:34.21 | row | quitte: I said not nick |
| 22:34.25 | phaedrus_ | uh...i like the task bar |
| 22:34.27 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 22:34.27 | liable | quitte: oh, i thought he *for* it |
| 22:34.29 | Azar | phaedrus_: get gkrellm and decorate your desk |
| 22:34.33 | stew | dao: what version of xdm do you have installed? |
| 22:34.35 | cheal | !tell jbrimble about good |
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| 22:34.44 | quitte | liable: i guess he meant the realname? |
| 22:34.47 | row | ta orchid |
| 22:34.48 | zinx | hazard_: things have different uses |
| 22:34.50 | liable | quitte: yeah |
| 22:34.50 | cheal | jbrimble: what do you mean by "good"? |
| 22:34.51 | phaedrus_ | where do apps go when the are "minimized"? |
| 22:34.56 | phaedrus_ | in openbox? |
| 22:34.59 | stoned | hazard_, well this isn't a discussion about whats better and whats not, point is, I am trying to help you find a solution |
| 22:35.09 | zinx | hazard_: believe it or not, there's very very few solutions that work in absolutely every situation, if any. |
| 22:35.28 | stew | dao: oh, on etch, xdm is known to be broken |
| 22:35.35 | streuner | phaedrus_: hard to say, i would guess in background |
| 22:35.37 | stew | !debwiki dao Status/Testing |
| 22:35.38 | dpkg | dao: http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
| 22:35.38 | hazard_ | I don't really need a solution, since I don't really have a problem that requires has a need. |
| 22:35.41 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 22:35.42 | dao | stew, ah thats why |
| 22:35.48 | phaedrus_ | brb |
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| 22:35.56 | streuner | phaedrus: but why not just use flux or install pypannel? |
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| 22:36.01 | Azar | phaedrus_: on the hidden menu |
| 22:36.01 | Azar | phaedrus_: "desktops" > |
| 22:36.05 | stoned | hazard_, I thought you had some NIC without linux drivers? |
| 22:36.09 | Azar | phaedrus_: click open the menu and highlight desktops line |
| 22:36.14 | hazard_ | Yes, but I don't really NEED it for anything. |
| 22:36.19 | streuner | Azar: gone |
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| 22:36.27 | Azar | :) |
| 22:36.28 | stoned | ok |
| 22:36.30 | stoned | have fun |
| 22:36.32 | hazard_ | I just want to setup a transparent wireless bridge for the sake of having one. |
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| 22:37.27 | dao | stew, ah read it now... thanks :-) |
| 22:37.42 | streuner | !info pypanel |
| 22:37.49 | dpkg | pypanel: (lightweight panel/taskbar for X11 window managers), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
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| 22:38.05 | Vme | anyone here ever used VLC to stream files? |
| 22:38.11 | hazard_ | yes, it works. |
| 22:38.18 | hazard_ | (with exceptions) |
| 22:38.20 | Vme | i keep getting end of file |
| 22:38.26 | quitte | Vme: yes. xine made less problems forme. |
| 22:38.26 | Vme | with windows media player |
| 22:38.31 | hazard_ | For example, my tower does it fine, my laptop won't even try. |
| 22:38.47 | lordnazgul | vme what type of files |
| 22:38.47 | hazard_ | try listening to the stream with another VLC client. |
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| 22:38.59 | Vme | hrm |
| 22:39.00 | hazard_ | get that working before trying to connect using WMP |
| 22:39.01 | Vme | ok |
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| 22:39.13 | lordnazgul | ive found icecast works real well with audio |
| 22:39.29 | lewis | with public keys, you can set up a command="/etc/check_command", what is the process of doing this for passwords and SSH, I tried changing the shell to /etc/check_command - but it didn't work - any ideas? |
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| 22:41.23 | liable | lewis: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:41.40 | streuner | phaedrus44: but why not just use flux or install pypanel? |
| 22:41.49 | lewis | have the SSH shell check to see if the command is rsync, otherwise drop it. |
| 22:42.00 | lewis | setting it to /bin/false doesn't work |
| 22:42.08 | lewis | and I want to keep passwords enabled |
| 22:42.21 | liable | lewis: you can do something like this for root. man sshd.config look in the root login bit |
| 22:42.22 | Vme | what protocol does it come out as? |
| 22:42.27 | Vme | rtsp? |
| 22:42.29 | lewis | why root login? |
| 22:42.31 | Vme | http? |
| 22:42.35 | Vme | mms? |
| 22:42.40 | streuner | !info pypanel |
| 22:42.42 | Azar | phaedrus44: you seen your minimized apps? |
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| 22:42.45 | liable | lewis: you prolly can |
| 22:42.46 | dpkg | pypanel: (lightweight panel/taskbar for X11 window managers), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 22:42.49 | hazard_ | I think I've had the best luck with rtsp |
| 22:42.55 | hazard_ | (or maybe it was http?) |
| 22:42.59 | liable | lewis: i just havent ever futzed with it |
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| 22:44.16 | lewis | this is the script that I am trying to use for my shell - http://pastebin.com/723596 - it works fine as command="" in authorized_keys |
| 22:44.22 | phaedrus44 | Azar: not at the moment..I switched to xfce |
| 22:44.24 | phaedrus44 | to try it |
| 22:44.32 | phaedrus44 | the task bar thing really bugs me |
| 22:44.41 | hazard_ | Vme: no, wait, I've had the best luck in VLC with UDP multicast. |
| 22:44.41 | streuner | install flux |
| 22:44.45 | streuner | less headaches |
| 22:44.56 | hazard_ | Vme: I've gotten http to work before, but neither of the others. |
| 22:45.08 | Azar | phaedrus44: just hover your pointer over the menu, all your minimized are located at Desktops> line |
| 22:45.20 | phaedrus44 | oh...really? |
| 22:45.23 | phaedrus44 | damn.. |
| 22:45.28 | phaedrus44 | ill go re install it |
| 22:45.32 | phaedrus44 | xfce looks big |
| 22:45.42 | Azar | phaedrus44: Desktops> one> your minimized apps |
| 22:45.46 | streuner | never tried xfce |
| 22:46.02 | Azar | phaedrus44: openbox is really easy to navigate with |
| 22:46.05 | phaedrus44 | i did install flux |
| 22:46.14 | phaedrus44 | i tried it earlier |
| 22:46.20 | kspath | phaedrus44: openbox3 is quite nice |
| 22:46.26 | phaedrus44 | whatabout desktop icons with openbox? |
| 22:46.28 | Azar | phaedrus44: play with the menu list you will get it fast |
| 22:46.40 | streuner | phaedrus44: idesk |
| 22:46.41 | Azar | phaedrus44: openbox is just a manager, not a desktop |
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| 22:46.49 | phaedrus44 | ahhhh...i see |
| 22:46.54 | phaedrus44 | ok..brb |
| 22:46.56 | kspath | phaedrus44: Do you want a desktop environment or a light window manager? |
| 22:46.56 | streuner | !info idesk |
| 22:47.00 | dpkg | idesk: (Program to show icons on the desktop), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 22:47.06 | kspath | phaedrus44: rox / rox-filer are nice |
| 22:47.29 | kspath | phaedrus44: "desktops" are pure silly |
| 22:47.40 | Azar | kspath: :( |
| 22:47.43 | Azar | I am silly |
| 22:47.53 | Azar | but happy |
| 22:47.57 | kspath | phaedrus44: That is why I use ion3 with openbox3 as a solid backup window manager |
| 22:48.05 | phaedrus44 | i like a few icons on desktop |
| 22:48.18 | phaedrus44 | ion3? |
| 22:48.27 | Azar | phaedrus44: kde or gnome have icons, they are desktops , openbox, fluxbox are just managers |
| 22:48.32 | kspath | phaedrus44: tabbed window manager |
| 22:48.43 | streuner | well, ion3 is hard, you need knowledge to configure |
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| 22:48.53 | Azar | :) |
| 22:48.55 | kspath | phaedrus44: You can use rox with fluxbox and/or openbox |
| 22:49.16 | kspath | streuner: What is there to configure? GUI manure? |
| 22:49.21 | MatBoy | Does someone know if there are some tweaks on CPU-usage with Xinerama on XORG ? |
| 22:49.35 | streuner | kspath: just install it and find out ;-) |
| 22:49.40 | kspath | streuner: I just use default debian install of ion3. It works great. |
| 22:49.44 | Azar | kspath: some people got just glued on GUI, bars, icons ewww |
| 22:49.51 | kspath | streuner: I use ion3 everyday and everynight |
| 22:50.24 | Azar | ok I finished a small Debian linux for newbie intro |
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| 22:50.51 | Azar | http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/debianbase.html |
| 22:50.52 | kspath | streuner: If I want silly GUI interface I just change to something clean and light like openbox3 so I do not have to deal with the crap of so many window managers |
| 22:51.16 | liable | !start a wm war |
| 22:51.16 | dpkg | wmaker makes me vomit! |
| 22:51.45 | kspath | If you like tabs in your apps and tabs in your browsers you will likely enjoy ion3 simplicity and logic. |
| 22:51.48 | Azar | kspath: I only use openbox. no other clutter and mixups |
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| 22:52.08 | kspath | Azar: Exactly, that is why I love openbox3 as well. |
| 22:52.41 | streuner | !popcon |
| 22:52.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:52.53 | Azar | where should I scream about the latest firefox security upgrade: brings in pop-under ads |
| 22:52.54 | kspath | Azar: there are some that are brainwashed and/or lazy. They have to have the MAC/M$ gui pointy-clicky interface. |
| 22:53.08 | thingfish | blah blah blah |
| 22:53.16 | kspath | Azar: For them I say openbox3 with rox is decent. |
| 22:53.27 | liable | !beer thingfish |
| 22:53.35 | kspath | Azar: It comes down to what you can use and tolerate. |
| 22:53.35 | hazard_ | I like apple's GUI. |
| 22:53.40 | Azar | kspath: I drink the wine without water, I drink the coffee without milk |
| 22:53.43 | hazard_ | Of course, I also like the debian command line. |
| 22:53.47 | liable | a litre, dpkg is genorous today |
| 22:54.12 | thingfish | ooh yummy liable thanks |
| 22:54.24 | thingfish | yeah, a liter will last me like 1/2 hour. |
| 22:54.54 | streuner | 4569 openbox 330 153 138 39 0 (Tollef Fog Heen) |
| 22:54.58 | kspath | thingfish: same here. I do not drink to get plastered and blackout. |
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| 22:55.26 | kspath | Azar: sugary soda can do that also |
| 22:55.26 | liable | Azar: easy, dont eat so much! |
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| 22:55.33 | thingfish | kspath: you know, I figured out that I like to drink, I just don't like to get drunk. Overdoing it just makes me uncomfortable. |
| 22:55.35 | arisv | configure: error: X Window system libraries and header files are required |
| 22:55.36 | arisv | any ideas? |
| 22:55.43 | arisv | xorg 7, here (if that means sth) |
| 22:55.56 | Azar | guys, only plain wine or scotch... nothing else for now |
| 22:56.05 | David3 | thingfish: I've actually been drinking nonalcoholic beer lately, for the nutritive value ! |
| 22:56.12 | scenestar | pffft |
| 22:56.18 | thingfish | see I just never have developed an apprectiation for scotch. |
| 22:56.20 | scenestar | thats like drinking decaff coffee |
| 22:56.21 | kspath | thingfish: Exactly. We have so little control over the world as it is. Why get drunk and unable to control our bodily functions. |
| 22:56.34 | arisv | sb? |
| 22:56.37 | thingfish | David3: yay! calories, but no buzz. |
| 22:56.48 | Azar | thingfish: scotch only in female company: to impress |
| 22:56.50 | scenestar | well thats redundant |
| 22:56.55 | thingfish | hehe Azar |
| 22:57.02 | David3 | well, does coffee have any redeeming nutritive value? I'm not interested in a buzz anymore, had plenty years ago |
| 22:57.08 | scenestar | pffft |
| 22:57.16 | liable | arisv: you need -dev packages, who knows which ones though.. google |
| 22:57.20 | thingfish | Azar: make her a proper cosmopolitan, if you want to impress her. ;) |
| 22:57.25 | liable | arisv: or search with apt |
| 22:57.25 | scenestar | lets not get into a dick size competition on stuff |
| 22:57.43 | thingfish | David3: coffee is *loaded* with antioxidants and bioflavonoids. |
| 22:57.54 | Azar | coffee helps prevent ahlzeimer and brain lazyness |
| 22:57.58 | David3 | thingfish: that's true, actually. |
| 22:57.59 | scenestar | if you really want to impress her cut her a line of cocaine with a platinum card |
| 22:58.00 | arisv | liable: which dev? |
| 22:58.02 | arisv | :p |
| 22:58.16 | David3 | and make it good coke! |
| 22:58.23 | scenestar | offcourse |
| 22:58.27 | pipeline | Caffeine temporarily increases your intelligence. |
| 22:58.33 | pipeline | scenestar: More like AMEX black, am i rite? |
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| 22:58.38 | David3 | intelligence, or sharpness? |
| 22:58.38 | scenestar | rawr |
| 22:58.48 | thingfish | scenestar: I used to do that kind of stuff but after you turn 40 it gets kind of pointless. |
| 22:58.53 | kspath | real coffee has some good and "bad" things in it but so many drink instant or old crap stale coffee |
| 22:58.56 | scenestar | thingfish : agreed |
| 22:59.16 | David3 | gosh that makes me feel young, I got tired of smoking and drinking when I was 23 |
| 22:59.17 | pmo12 | Azar, and it can do bad things with your butt.. |
| 22:59.22 | thingfish | pot's the most I'll do anymore. |
| 22:59.33 | scenestar | david im only 18 and im allready off everything |
| 22:59.34 | Azar | pmo12: no worry beans to the rescue |
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| 22:59.47 | scenestar | and that includes coke and meth |
| 22:59.47 | scenestar | :P |
| 22:59.49 | scenestar | rawl |
| 22:59.51 | scenestar | but back to unix |
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| 22:59.54 | _PhaSe_ | hi |
| 22:59.55 | David3 | scenestar when did you start? |
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| 23:00.02 | scenestar | 16 |
| 23:00.09 | _PhaSe_ | i have lvm in my system, but after recompile kernel to 2.6.16.16, when delete in lvm, filesystem usage is still in 100 % |
| 23:00.09 | scenestar | a quick repost of #kde |
| 23:00.11 | scenestar | <scenestar> im using kwin on a gnome desktop, because of the superior composite manager. The only question i have, is how can i have the *opposite* effect of translucent decoration, in otherwords having taskbars etc at 100% opaque while the background is transparent |
| 23:00.12 | scenestar | * wasp_ems has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 23:00.12 | scenestar | <scenestar> ive got an exact example of what im trying to achieve here : http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/transluxent/ |
| 23:00.12 | scenestar | <scenestar> but unfortunately that package is no longer maintained |
| 23:00.16 | _PhaSe_ | i guess my df are obsolete |
| 23:00.17 | pmo12 | Azar, wouldn't help much.. if you drink much coffee..but well coffee in the states is usually not very strong, i think |
| 23:00.18 | David3 | huh, that's not a very long time to explore... but it's all some people need I guess |
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| 23:00.24 | _PhaSe_ | ? |
| 23:00.37 | scenestar | David3 : if i go on using that shit ill be burned out before im 24 |
| 23:00.38 | thingfish | pmo12: you'd be surprised. A lot of us grind our own coffee beans. |
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| 23:00.40 | David3 | pmo12 yeah US "coffee" is basically watered down maybe 5-10 : 1 |
| 23:00.52 | David3 | scenestar: yeah, the hard shit will do you in |
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| 23:01.04 | scenestar | not worth it really |
| 23:01.04 | Azar | scenestar: your screen would look like an expensive painting in an Art expo |
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| 23:01.12 | scenestar | azar, check this out |
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| 23:01.22 | scenestar | http://scenestar.dyndns.org/stuff/Screenshot.png |
| 23:01.33 | scenestar | irc as my wallpaper |
| 23:01.34 | scenestar | :P |
| 23:01.39 | newpers | i have a question about permissions. would extended attributes or the posix acl be a better approach to having all newly created files in a directory be owned by a certain user.group and have certain permissions (diferrent from that set by my user's umask) |
| 23:02.08 | Azar | scenestar: nice :) |
| 23:02.28 | scenestar | why thank you |
| 23:02.36 | scenestar | want the shell script i used? |
| 23:02.42 | scenestar | err |
| 23:02.44 | scenestar | i lost it |
| 23:02.44 | David3 | newpers: is there a problem with the directory sticky group ownership / umask 002 model? |
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| 23:03.04 | David3 | oops, indeed so |
| 23:03.09 | David3 | I just didn't read your question, duh |
| 23:03.11 | newpers | David3: everytime i ask if i should use sticky group, people yell |
| 23:03.17 | phaedrus_ | wusssup |
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| 23:03.19 | phaedrus_ | i installed openbox and ion3 |
| 23:03.20 | newpers | umask 002 model wouldn't be bad |
| 23:03.21 | newpers | i guess |
| 23:03.29 | newpers | but i don't know what else this program is writing |
| 23:03.30 | Azar | scenestar: check mine now: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/gkrellShoot_12-29-05_204053.jpg |
| 23:03.37 | newpers | what other files this program is creating, i mean |
| 23:04.12 | scenestar | Azar : classic linux screenshot |
| 23:04.36 | dragonfly | i am having two issues with xmms that may or may not be related. when i try to play an mp3 from the local harddrive get a message "failed to open audio output: OSS Driver 1.2.10" when i open xmms from a term, some additional information is provided "Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Device or resource busy |
| 23:04.41 | X600 | scenestar: Trailer Park Boys, heheh. |
| 23:04.47 | Azar | scenestar: yes I keep it at minimum, no kde, no gnome, just a desktop manager |
| 23:04.48 | phaedrus_ | Azar: how do i get the "desktop" to be something other than this cross-hatch style |
| 23:04.58 | scenestar | Azar : agreed |
| 23:05.00 | newpers | David3: another thing bad with umask is that the program isn't run as a daemon. so i'd have to run a new term to fix things |
| 23:05.00 | dragonfly | the second issue is that it don't even get that far when trying to play off my network |
| 23:05.04 | kspath | Azar: Did you mean window manager? |
| 23:05.09 | Azar | phaedrus_: define cross-hatch |
| 23:05.11 | X600 | Azar: What do you use there? |
| 23:05.15 | scenestar | i think he only has x |
| 23:05.19 | pmo12 | sad games have not much improved on linux :-/ |
| 23:05.26 | scenestar | pmo12 yeah they do |
| 23:05.30 | Rothgar` | What is the best utility for syncing data over the internet securely? rsync? |
| 23:05.31 | phaedrus_ | uh..i would like a solid color |
| 23:05.34 | scenestar | www.moddb.com |
| 23:05.36 | scenestar | check that out |
| 23:05.40 | pmo12 | scenestar, that much ?? |
| 23:05.43 | Azar | x600 just X with a background image and openbox3: on the left is gkrellm |
| 23:05.44 | scenestar | theres some gems in there |
| 23:05.47 | thingfish | planetpenguin racer is kind of fun. |
| 23:05.48 | Azar | err on the right |
| 23:05.48 | phaedrus_ | not this wierd cross-hatch background on the desktop |
| 23:05.51 | scenestar | plus i play loads of retro games |
| 23:06.00 | scenestar | gba, snes, nes psx and ps2 |
| 23:06.08 | scenestar | so it really isnt much of an issue |
| 23:06.09 | dvs | ps2 is retro? |
| 23:06.10 | Azar | phaedrus_: ahh background image? I use "feh" application |
| 23:06.16 | scenestar | newer stuff goes with cedega |
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| 23:06.24 | Azar | I use my own collection of images |
| 23:06.32 | David3 | newpers: wish I knew the answer for ya, but I'm no expert here. |
| 23:06.40 | newpers | :) |
| 23:06.40 | dvs | abrotman: are you staying around this time? ;-) |
| 23:06.41 | X600 | phaedrus_: What are you using? |
| 23:06.51 | pmo12 | scenestar, looks interesting.. while i still hardly believe they may be playable and free.. :) |
| 23:06.58 | Rothgar` | Anyone? |
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| 23:07.02 | scenestar | well i just warez stuff |
| 23:07.13 | phaedrus_ | X600: openbox3 |
| 23:07.19 | scenestar | i mean, why on earth would i pay scumm like cedega |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | dvs: we'll see .. i think the landlord's kid's laptop has a bad driver/spyware that causes the router to reset |
| 23:07.22 | Sceema | HEY DANILE, |
| 23:07.24 | scenestar | freeloading parasites |
| 23:07.31 | Sceema | HEY DANIEL |
| 23:07.34 | Sceema | HEY |
| 23:07.36 | Sceema | HEY |
| 23:07.40 | kspath | Sceema: stop |
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| 23:07.57 | X600 | My friend gave me his Cedega account. |
| 23:07.57 | X600 | And it totally sucks. |
| 23:07.57 | Sceema | K |
| 23:07.57 | dvs | Sceema: Hey you! CUT IT OUT! |
| 23:07.57 | scenestar | dont pay for that stuff |
| 23:07.58 | Sceema | OK |
| 23:07.59 | scenestar | theyre evil |
| 23:08.00 | Azar | phaedrus_: apt-get install feh > read instructions here on the right at Feh Introduction box: http://linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/wiki/WikiStart |
| 23:08.01 | abrotman | it's also not in debian |
| 23:08.07 | quitte | in the context of ldap - what is a DUAConfigProfile? |
| 23:08.14 | David3 | Rothgar`: I have no idea... it would seem the conversation has wandered far, far away from support at the moment. You might try back later, when the room has quieted down a bit |
| 23:08.15 | epsilon | let's warez linux and pulish it under BSD licence |
| 23:08.35 | thingfish | David3: it's happy hour. :) |
| 23:08.36 | Sceema | WAT MUST I CUT OUT |
| 23:09.03 | thingfish | Sceema: the being-an-idiot part. |
| 23:09.06 | Azar | Sceema: if you are not about Debian, leave, this is not the place to scream |
| 23:09.12 | David3 | thingfish: does this happen every day at ... 4:00 US Mountain time? |
| 23:09.16 | abrotman | Sceema: you must stop talking in capital letters .. Do you have a Debian question? |
| 23:09.16 | scenestar | yeah d00d, i g0tz a ph4t pip3 for ur warez here ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux |
| 23:09.23 | Sceema | sorry |
| 23:09.27 | stoned | David3, yes |
| 23:09.31 | Sceema | yes, |
| 23:09.31 | thingfish | David3: after work, things can get a little loose, yes. |
| 23:09.36 | zirikili | hello... may I address the line-in sound card connector as a specific /dev link? |
| 23:09.47 | stoned | or |
| 23:09.48 | Sceema | how do i get past the thing blocking downloading |
| 23:09.55 | stoned | you can smoke skooma like me and have fun |
| 23:09.59 | kspath | David3: yes around this time. The other issue is questions like what is the best of anything are sometimes ignored for numerous reasons. |
| 23:10.00 | X600 | thingfish: It's 5:00. ;) |
| 23:10.02 | David3 | Sceema: "the thing"? |
| 23:10.10 | pmo12 | scenestar, well all about windows games.. as far as i see :-/ unless there is something i don't know.. |
| 23:10.21 | Sceema | this computer is blocked i think |
| 23:10.22 | scenestar | one hwere |
| 23:10.25 | scenestar | moddb? |
| 23:10.28 | Sceema | so how do i hack it |
| 23:10.32 | stoned | huh? |
| 23:10.33 | scenestar | nah, unreal2k4 |
| 23:10.35 | abrotman | Sceema: ask your LAN admin |
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| 23:10.47 | scenestar | Sceema /join #elited00dz |
| 23:10.58 | Sceema | there a bunch a idioits, why u think i wana hack it |
| 23:10.59 | Azar | scenestar: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/onix/screenshot.png |
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| 23:11.07 | quitte | well i guess I didn't make it through the noise-so let me ask again:in the context of ldap - what is a DUAConfigProfile? |
| 23:11.16 | scenestar | yay |
| 23:11.16 | abrotman | Sceema: so you want us to tell you how to do someting illegal? |
| 23:11.17 | dvs | so? |
| 23:11.19 | David3 | well, that doesn't work. |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | !tell David3 about away |
| 23:11.21 | X600 | Azar: That yours too? |
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| 23:11.27 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 23:11.32 | stoned | Sceema, what is hacking? |
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| 23:11.40 | Sceema | maybe, u know a way around it |
| 23:11.44 | Azar | X600: yes from my other box, same settings: feh background, openbox, gkrellm |
| 23:11.48 | thingfish | I'd say the human race is in trouble. |
| 23:11.50 | stoned | you know the debian developers, they are hackers |
| 23:11.50 | abrotman | !tell Sceema about u |
| 23:11.59 | lewis | guys - fixed it. I can now run RSync commands (via public keys and password) only via SSH, and FTP commands too, with a special shell script I wrote! |
| 23:11.59 | kspath | thingfish: What tipped you off? |
| 23:12.04 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:12.22 | X600 | Azar: I love screenshots, so don't mind me. :P |
| 23:12.23 | webuser16 | Is there a way to configure/recompile debian packages? |
| 23:12.33 | stoned | webuser16, yes |
| 23:12.33 | scenestar | wow, Sceema , i think with your level of intelligence you will feel more comfortable in #ubuntu |
| 23:12.36 | abrotman | Sceema: what is your Debian question? |
| 23:12.43 | Sceema | so what do you say instead of U |
| 23:12.43 | dvs | !++scenestar |
| 23:12.44 | abrotman | webuser16: /msg dpkg source |
| 23:12.45 | thingfish | hehe scenestar |
| 23:12.47 | kspath | thingfish: Around 1976-1980 I was quite worried about the human race. Things are not really getting "better". |
| 23:12.50 | abrotman | !tell Sceema about u |
| 23:12.54 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:12.59 | stoned | abrotman, and his u Flag |
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| 23:13.08 | scenestar | dvs, was that a good thing? |
| 23:13.10 | stoned | wave it man! hehe |
| 23:13.15 | thingfish | kspath: I agree completely. |
| 23:13.18 | Sceema | UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 23:13.23 | Azar | X600: want that image? |
| 23:13.26 | dvs | scenestar: lots of people tend to agree |
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| 23:13.26 | _a1000 | DCC SEND areYOUgayAREyouAniggerJOINtheGNAA_www.gnaa.us MAIN SCREEN TURN ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN |
| 23:13.31 | X600 | Azar: Sure. I probably won't use it though. |
| 23:13.33 | stoned | argh |
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| 23:13.41 | X600 | Azar: What's it from? |
| 23:13.45 | webuser16 | I tried Gentoo because that would have a very configurable system, but it was just full of bugs. Now I use Debian and I want to know how I can do to configure it in the same wau as they say Gentoo can do. |
| 23:13.46 | streuner | ah, that makes sense now... |
| 23:13.47 | thingfish | why does that not surprise me. |
| 23:13.49 | Azar | http://us.share.geocities.com/spaceproxy/onix/rmMystPlan1024.bmp < Myst game |
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| 23:14.02 | X600 | Unavailable. |
| 23:14.05 | abrotman | !tell webuser16 about source |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | !tell webuser16 about apt-build |
| 23:14.15 | phaedrus_ | Azar...can i edit the menu in openbox? |
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| 23:14.21 | Azar | X600: too solicited I guess, try later on it |
| 23:14.25 | abrotman | !tell webuser16 about source |
| 23:14.26 | abrotman | !tell webuser16 about apt-build |
| 23:14.28 | streuner | thingfish: he is still here, don't feed him... |
| 23:14.31 | Azar | phaedrus_: hold on |
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| 23:14.36 | webuser16 | APT-build? |
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| 23:14.41 | abrotman | someone kick the bot |
| 23:14.42 | thingfish | webuser16: part of the attraction of Debian is that it does all the packaging for you. Use it. |
| 23:14.45 | METAMORPHISIS | WHAT A NAME |
| 23:14.45 | abrotman | METAMORPHISIS: go away |
| 23:14.58 | dvs | METAMORPHISIS: where are not stupid |
| 23:14.59 | abrotman | METAMORPHISIS: do you have a Debian question now? |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:15.04 | stoned | METAMORPHISIS, your nickname gives me EYE CANCER |
| 23:15.10 | abrotman | !qotd168 is <dvs> METAMORPHISIS: where are not stupid |
| 23:15.10 | dpkg_ | okay, abrotman |
| 23:15.11 | METAMORPHISIS | gud |
| 23:15.16 | scenestar | ok great |
| 23:15.21 | dvs | abrotman: Grrrrrrr!!! ;-) |
| 23:15.23 | scenestar | another potential ubuntu user |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | dvs: i couldn't resist |
| 23:15.28 | phaedrus_ | Azar ill be right back |
| 23:15.32 | stoned | METAMORPHISIS, I wish you would get the angriest fucking ass cancer your god can give you |
| 23:15.38 | streuner | senestar: no |
| 23:15.40 | scenestar | and die in a fire |
| 23:15.51 | webuser16 | But can it compile then? So I can get it optimated for my Pentium 4 HT? |
| 23:15.52 | crazy_penguin | 'night all |
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| 23:16.04 | scenestar | optimitad? |
| 23:16.07 | abrotman | !tell me about apt-build |
| 23:16.12 | stoned | webuser16, you can compile ANY p ackage from source with whatever flags you want |
| 23:16.13 | METAMORPHISIS | did i offend any one, how, |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | dpkg_: tell webuser16 about apt-build |
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| 23:16.20 | METAMORPHISIS | i just became a butterfly |
| 23:16.21 | stoned | webuser16, you can compile it how you like |
| 23:16.35 | stoned | tis ok |
| 23:16.42 | abrotman | METAMORPHISIS: last chance .. do you have a Debian question? |
| 23:16.45 | kspath | METAMORPHISIS: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 23:16.52 | webuser16 | OK, thanks! I google for APT-build that might give me enough info, thanks ;-D |
| 23:16.58 | Supaplex | !pet stoned |
| 23:17.02 | abrotman | broken |
| 23:17.03 | METAMORPHISIS | im reading abouty wat u guys have to say about debian, |
| 23:17.04 | stoned | lol |
| 23:17.11 | thingfish | or at least a good recipe you'd like to share? |
| 23:17.16 | METAMORPHISIS | so im getting knowledgeable |
| 23:17.29 | stoned | thingfish, meat stuffed potatoes, fried :) |
| 23:17.34 | scenestar | hot dogs |
| 23:17.38 | scenestar | with mayo |
| 23:17.51 | thingfish | stoned: how do you keep them from falling apart? |
| 23:17.53 | stoned | some basic needs, meat and potatos |
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| 23:18.02 | Supaplex | METAMORPHISIS: rule #1, debian > *. Rule #2, if (debian < ?) { goto 1 } |
| 23:18.03 | scenestar | ramen noodles |
| 23:18.07 | thingfish | hot dogs? with *mayo*? |
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| 23:18.14 | thingfish | tsk tsk tsk |
| 23:18.19 | scenestar | yeah, im a quirky dutch kid |
| 23:18.26 | abrotman | Supaplex: come on ... METAMORPHISIS is a troll .. |
| 23:18.35 | scenestar | i think hes a gay nigger |
| 23:18.36 | scenestar | :P |
| 23:18.40 | thingfish | scenestar: your country has no mustard? ;) |
| 23:18.49 | cusco | echo 1 |
| 23:18.51 | abrotman | scenestar: don't use .. either of those words ... mmkay? |
| 23:18.56 | scenestar | GNAA member? |
| 23:18.59 | thingfish | indeed |
| 23:18.59 | kspath | scenestar: You think METAMORPHISIS is looking for a date? |
| 23:19.03 | METAMORPHISIS | SUPAPLEX isnt that a game |
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| 23:19.11 | cusco | + 1 |
| 23:19.13 | Supaplex | yup |
| 23:19.14 | scenestar | errr i was refering to the GNAA |
| 23:19.18 | stoned | thingfish, you have to use a scooper/scraper and scrape it out so its a hollow thing, the potatoe, and then you take the stuff yo sucraped out, the potato pulp, you boil it, drain it, mix stuff in it, spices herbs, and boiled ground meat, with spices, then you stuff it in a potato, and then you top it off with potato filler batter, and then you dip it in egg batter and fry it, its delicious |
| 23:19.48 | quitte | sounds great. what is batter? |
| 23:19.51 | stoned | or you can fry it in whatever batter |
| 23:19.52 | scenestar | stoned , yes, but can it be done with a microwave |
| 23:19.53 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 23:19.54 | thingfish | ooo yum sounds dee-lish |
| 23:19.57 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 23:20.01 | scenestar | sounds like too much effort |
| 23:20.03 | METAMORPHISIS | wat |
| 23:20.03 | Supaplex | stoned: base don the way you spell potato, you're 3/4 yank and 1/4 brit? :P |
| 23:20.11 | thingfish | not too much effort at all. |
| 23:20.14 | stoned | Supaplex, I am pakistani, my english sucks, sorry |
| 23:20.22 | stoned | deal with it |
| 23:20.30 | Supaplex | ok =) |
| 23:20.36 | METAMORPHISIS | hey SCOTT EDWARDS |
| 23:20.43 | scenestar | stoned and thats deepfried right? |
| 23:20.53 | Supaplex | METAMORPHISIS: wow you can /whois me. |
| 23:20.54 | dragonfly | xmms won't play shared files from my network |
| 23:20.55 | stoned | yes |
| 23:20.57 | quitte | what is batter? |
| 23:21.02 | abrotman | !ops please ban dsl-165-199-217.telkomadsl.co.za .. is METAMORPHISIS and was sceema |
| 23:21.02 | stoned | dragonfly, shared over what? |
| 23:21.03 | dpkg_ | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please ban dsl-165-199-217.telkomadsl.co.za .. is METAMORPHISIS and was sceema |
| 23:21.03 | thingfish | hell anything deep fried is good. |
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| 23:22.02 | abrotman | thingfish: oreos? |
| 23:22.02 | stoned | dragonfly, smb shares never work for me for some reason, I use nfs/ssh and that works ok |
| 23:22.03 | phaedrus_ | y0 |
| 23:22.03 | METAMORPHISIS | WAT DID I DO WRONG HERE |
| 23:22.03 | stoned | dragonfly, can you play local files? |
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| 23:22.03 | METAMORPHISIS | bye |
| 23:22.03 | thingfish | abrotman: well come on... |
| 23:22.05 | farhan01 | if tuxracer's framerate is very slow, what does this mean and how do i fix it? |
| 23:22.05 | stoned | METAMORPHISIS, stop using ALL CAPS please |
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| 23:22.08 | scenestar | farhan01 : depends |
| 23:22.12 | thingfish | abrotman: although I hear they deep fry snickers bars in texas. |
| 23:22.14 | stoned | I broke my pipe |
| 23:22.14 | scenestar | post your friggin specs dude |
| 23:22.15 | stoned | :( |
| 23:22.18 | farhan01 | on? |
| 23:22.22 | dragonfly | stoned, yes, i can play local files just fine, i copied a file from the smb share onto my desktop and played it, but i can't get it to play from the server |
| 23:22.22 | scenestar | your mother |
| 23:22.24 | abrotman | thingfish: they sell deep fried oreo's around here |
| 23:22.26 | nse | is there something that can report the temperature of my cpu so i can see if it's overheated? |
| 23:22.30 | scenestar | your pc offcourse |
| 23:22.37 | scenestar | kernel, drivers used |
| 23:22.39 | thingfish | abrotman: I don't think I care to try those. |
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| 23:22.43 | scenestar | and the tuxracer version |
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| 23:22.52 | abrotman | thingfish: nor i .. but they sell them .. people will eat anything :) |
| 23:22.58 | scenestar | and gimme the output of glxgears |
| 23:23.05 | abrotman | glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 23:23.07 | thingfish | abrotman: sad but true. |
| 23:23.13 | abrotman | why not `glxinfo | grep -i direct` |
| 23:23.22 | abrotman | which might be useful |
| 23:23.23 | scenestar | good point |
| 23:23.25 | Dunedan | Hm. I've installed the actual version of udev and now my printer won't work. Does anybody how to fix it? |
| 23:23.26 | stoned | dragonfly, samba shares are somewhat fucked I have no idea, I never got it to work, then again, I got em working now. You have to mount the smb share to a mount point and then you can play them |
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| 23:23.42 | stoned | dragonfly, smbfs and mount, research |
| 23:23.58 | dvs | nse: first, you need the right kernel module loaded |
| 23:24.22 | abrotman | dragonfly: what are the permissions on the smb file .. and on the local file? |
| 23:24.29 | Azar | scenestar: I got my images from here: http://www.cyanworlds.com/games/myst5_gallery.php |
| 23:24.29 | abrotman | dragonfly: or the directory? |
| 23:24.32 | phaedrus_ | hey hey what is this error when i try to launch dillo? "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 ? |
| 23:24.43 | dvs | phaedrus_: don't use root in X |
| 23:24.44 | abrotman | gtk .. throwing up as usual :) |
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| 23:24.49 | stew | phaedrus_: are you running it as the user that started x? |
| 23:24.49 | scenestar | Azar , i usually get mine from graffiti things |
| 23:24.51 | nse | dvs: and second? how to do the first step, what is name of the module? |
| 23:24.51 | stoned | phaedrus_, you are running as root |
| 23:24.53 | scenestar | and friends |
| 23:25.01 | phaedrus_ | hehe oh yeah |
| 23:25.02 | phaedrus_ | thanks |
| 23:25.06 | Azar | scenestar: I am picky |
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| 23:25.09 | dvs | nse: there are several modules. it depends which sensor you have. |
| 23:25.16 | abrotman | someone cook my food ... |
| 23:25.17 | Azar | phaedrus_: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Openbox |
| 23:25.21 | scenestar | Azar , i too |
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| 23:25.29 | nse | dvs: what should i google for? |
| 23:25.31 | supaplex- | hahahahahahaha |
| 23:25.36 | scenestar | i want everything unified |
| 23:25.37 | dvs | nse: no clue |
| 23:25.40 | dragonfly | ok, i can try that....i just have them mounted through the connect to server option in the file menu in the "computer" off the gnome desktop |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | supaplex-: come on .. go away |
| 23:25.43 | dragonfly | they play fine in Totem Movie player though :S |
| 23:25.46 | dvs | nse: it totally depends on your motherboard |
| 23:25.49 | scenestar | ahahahahhahaa |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | !afo |
| 23:25.55 | dpkg_ | asg for ops! |
| 23:26.06 | thingfish | welcome to our lady of perpetual sunday. |
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| 23:26.11 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:26.13 | supaplex- | jou ma se poes alll julle naaiers |
| 23:26.14 | Supaplex | supaplex-: imposter! |
| 23:26.14 | nse | dvs: my motherboard is a P4VMM2, working with a P4 2.4ghz |
| 23:26.17 | scenestar | kanker op |
| 23:26.17 | phaedrus_ | ok..another error as user "Xlib: connection to "0.0" refused by server" "Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!" |
| 23:26.18 | scenestar | flikker |
| 23:26.27 | stoned | dragonfly, I dunno about that, but you can't do that going with smb:// or //blah/share you have to mount it, afaik |
| 23:26.28 | jimbo_T | DCC SEND areYOUgayAREyouAniggerJOINtheGNAA_www.gnaa.us |
| 23:26.28 | jimbo_T | DCC SEND areYOUgayAREyouAniggerJOINtheGNAA_www.gnaa.us |
| 23:26.29 | scenestar | of wil je vechtuh |
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| 23:26.40 | supaplex- | jou poes laaitie |
| 23:26.43 | scenestar | gehehehe |
| 23:26.48 | scenestar | afrikaner |
| 23:26.54 | supaplex- | how u know |
| 23:26.56 | stoned | !ops help |
| 23:26.56 | dpkg_ | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: help |
| 23:26.59 | scenestar | im dutch |
| 23:27.05 | supaplex- | kewl ha |
| 23:27.06 | abrotman | stoned: try not to be so vague when you do that |
| 23:27.12 | thingfish | if Debian weren't a force for good in the world, the evil types wouldn't attack us. |
| 23:27.13 | mentor | hmm? |
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| 23:27.19 | stoned | heh |
| 23:27.23 | stoned | here is someone |
| 23:27.24 | stoned | finally |
| 23:27.26 | scenestar | wewt |
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| 23:27.27 | stoned | :) |
| 23:27.28 | thingfish | yay! mentor |
| 23:27.32 | Supaplex | !enter |
| 23:27.32 | dpkg_ | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 23:27.57 | supaplex- | !enter |
| 23:27.57 | dpkg_ | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | mentor: supaplex- was METAMORPHISIS and Sceema |
| 23:28.06 | mentor | is there anyone in particular at this point in time? |
| 23:28.06 | mentor | right |
| 23:28.06 | magyar | did some updates yesterday on sid, now my fonts look different |
| 23:28.09 | supaplex- | ahh |
| 23:28.12 | supaplex- | u so clever |
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| 23:28.22 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:28.25 | abrotman | mentor: thank you very much |
| 23:28.35 | mentor | Supaplex: Oh good, I got the right one. |
| 23:28.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:28.39 | stoned | heh |
| 23:28.41 | Supaplex | :> |
| 23:28.42 | scenestar | time for some hotdogs |
| 23:28.46 | kspath | mentor: jimbo_T [n=atrium@204.186.234.22] was an issue as well |
| 23:28.51 | mentor | yes |
| 23:28.52 | abrotman | kspath: got klined |
| 23:28.53 | stew | kspath: klinked |
| 23:28.53 | mentor | He got Klined |
| 23:28.54 | scenestar | he got klined |
| 23:28.56 | mentor | heh |
| 23:29.04 | stoned | oh good lord |
| 23:29.05 | kspath | mentor: sorry, thank you very much. |
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| 23:29.07 | Azar | \0/ thankssss |
| 23:29.08 | scenestar | whats with all the gnaa dorks |
| 23:29.16 | stoned | immagine if someone said hello and 800+ people said hello back |
| 23:29.17 | stoned | lol |
| 23:29.19 | stoned | I can't immagine that |
| 23:29.19 | abrotman | scenestar: they don't like us .. they'll be here all night |
| 23:29.26 | Azar | maybe is the international dork day |
| 23:29.33 | scenestar | what the hell is the purpose of the gnaa anyways |
| 23:29.38 | Supaplex | I agree with Azar :-D |
| 23:29.41 | stew | scenestar: its off topic here |
| 23:29.44 | abrotman | scenestar: go read about them .. stop asking |
| 23:29.47 | adrakoa | do someone have installed setiathome??? |
| 23:29.48 | thingfish | it's all because of the davinci code, probably. |
| 23:29.53 | thingfish | :/ |
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| 23:30.06 | parsonsd | stoned : i think that sounds like fun |
| 23:30.07 | macka | 'morning |
| 23:30.10 | tonsxchat | I got the alpha to see the IDE HDD and the ATAPI CDROM :D [as scsi devices somehow ;)]. Is there a way to boot the debian installer directly from the CD from ARC/AlphaBIOS? |
| 23:30.17 | scenestar | i know what they are, i jsut wonder why people would call the selves adolf hitrol and post frosty piss on /. |
| 23:30.30 | stew | scenestar: its off topic here |
| 23:30.31 | kspath | adrakoa: some one do. There are sites about seti at home and folding at home and many other things like that. |
| 23:30.36 | macka | I've got a debian server which is looking at an LDA DB, which is down. Therefore I cannot log in - it times out, even with root. |
| 23:30.37 | thingfish | scenestar: grave psychological disease. |
| 23:30.40 | pipeline | scenestar: What ISN'T the purpose of GNAA ? |
| 23:30.45 | macka | how do I enter single use mode when it's booting? |
| 23:30.46 | stoned | enough |
| 23:30.51 | thingfish | yeah really |
| 23:30.52 | pipeline | tonsxchat: If at all possible, you want the UNIX firmware, IIRC |
| 23:31.11 | abrotman | scenestar: STOP already .. if you want to find out what they are .. go google .. noone here wants to talk about it |
| 23:31.21 | stoned | abrotman, I do /me runs |
| 23:31.33 | macka | does anyone know? I've got an entire company offline right now - kinda urgent |
| 23:31.35 | David3 | macka: with grub you can type (I believe) single |
| 23:31.40 | macka | ok |
| 23:31.44 | David3 | macka: let me double-check that |
| 23:31.45 | macka | thanks David3: I'll try it |
| 23:31.49 | adrakoa | kspath i have a problem when it's downloading ftp://alien.ssl.berkeley.edu/pub/setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar ? |
| 23:31.50 | tonsxchat | pipeline: It can run with milo on alphabios. I've read the faqs [it's 3.0 not 3.1], but I'm not sure about disc booting |
| 23:31.56 | abrotman | doesn't he mean LDAP DB? |
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| 23:31.58 | tonsxchat | [cd that is] |
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| 23:32.03 | kspath | adrakoa: Contact them about it. |
| 23:32.07 | Badman | hi |
| 23:32.10 | tonsxchat | oh, and my system won't accept SRM, so don't push it |
| 23:32.11 | macka | can't log in because LDAP is down |
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| 23:32.19 | dragonfly | what is the command to show the contents of a txt file in command line (like echo <filename>) |
| 23:32.32 | kspath | adrakoa: There are instructions at the seti at home site(s). |
| 23:32.33 | macka | wanna drop the machine to single user mode so I can fix it, but I don't know how to do that without being able to log in |
| 23:32.34 | stew | dragonfly: cat or pager |
| 23:32.41 | dli | dragonfly, more foo , less foo , cat foo |
| 23:32.45 | Azar | dragonfly: less , cat, pager |
| 23:32.46 | adrakoa | kspath ok, thx |
| 23:32.47 | parsonsd | dragonfly cat, less, more |
| 23:32.50 | David3 | macka: yeah, macka: yeah, that's it. |
| 23:32.58 | macka | ok, thanks mate |
| 23:32.59 | stew | macka: add single or init=/bin/sh to thekernel command line |
| 23:33.03 | dragonfly | thanks stew |
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| 23:33.13 | dragonfly | ....and everyone else :D |
| 23:33.18 | Azar | it works |
| 23:33.21 | dragonfly | couldn't think of it |
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| 23:33.59 | David3 | macka: mine looks like this: root (hd0,6) |
| 23:33.59 | David3 | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-686.orig root=/dev/hda7 ro single |
| 23:33.59 | David3 | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686.orig |
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| 23:34.24 | nse | hello. i need to watch the fan rotation and cpu temperature of my computer in order to understand why my computer is freezing. are there any debian packages that provides this features? |
| 23:34.35 | kspath | adrakoa: Was there a reason for you to ping me? |
| 23:35.03 | scenestar | macka whats the problem again |
| 23:35.03 | dragonfly | if i create a directory in /etc/skel named Desktop then anything in it will automatically appear on new user's desktops, correct? |
| 23:35.28 | myren | how do i not load X at startup? like runlevel=2 or something? |
| 23:35.29 | Azar | dragonfly: http://www.unixguide.net/linux/linuxshortcuts.shtml |
| 23:35.31 | macka | crap |
| 23:35.32 | macka | it's LILO |
| 23:35.37 | David3 | dragonfly: sounds good, I'm not sure if it works outside of KDE |
| 23:35.38 | kspath | nse: apt-cache search spu ? or apt-cache search fan ? |
| 23:35.41 | scenestar | macka whats the problem again |
| 23:35.45 | kspath | nse cpu |
| 23:35.49 | macka | need to boot into single user mode |
| 23:35.55 | stew | dragonfly: if you create something in /etc/skel it will be copied to new users hope directories when new accounts are created |
| 23:36.01 | macka | don't mind the problem, that I can solve |
| 23:36.05 | stew | dragonfly: it will do nothing for existant users |
| 23:36.07 | scenestar | macka what for |
| 23:36.07 | Badman | i want to pass from ubuntu to debian |
| 23:36.12 | Badman | i used uncurse |
| 23:36.16 | Badman | but now i have troubles |
| 23:36.18 | myren | how do i tell my kernel what runlevel to start at? |
| 23:36.20 | scenestar | http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_admin/x2179.html |
| 23:36.21 | macka | scenestar: doesn't matter - just need to boot into single user mode |
| 23:36.27 | stew | hah, where is tarzeau's phone number! |
| 23:36.32 | David3 | myren: you need to make sure the runlevel you are aiming for is not starting x before you change it... |
| 23:36.40 | Badman | i can t use apt-get install nore apt-get -f install |
| 23:36.40 | stew | i promised i'd give out his cell when people started talking about uncurse not working |
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| 23:36.44 | scenestar | A running system can be taken to single user mode by using telinit to request run level 1. At bootup, it can be entered by giving the word single or emergency on the kernel command line: the kernel gives the command line to init as well, and init understands from that word that it shouldn't use the default run level. |
| 23:36.47 | Ronin | Badman: you still trying that? refresh my old brain why cant you just install debian? |
| 23:36.54 | stew | Badman: go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 23:37.07 | macka | thanks |
| 23:37.07 | abrotman | macka: don't forget about #ldap |
| 23:37.07 | scenestar | or get a real OS |
| 23:37.12 | myren | David3: ok. i can ssh in. but how do i set my runlevel? |
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| 23:37.13 | macka | abrotman: tjat |
| 23:37.15 | David3 | see, e.g., /etc/rc2.d - and you'll want to remove e.g. S99xdm S99kdm |
| 23:37.15 | macka | ehh |
| 23:37.23 | Badman | i cant install directly debian because of my modem drivers Ronin |
| 23:37.30 | macka | abrotman: yah, I know what the problem is |
| 23:37.33 | macka | g2g |
| 23:37.35 | scenestar | Badman we dont care |
| 23:37.36 | Badman | stew: thx for ur help |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | macka: i meant .. they might know how to fix it .. but ok |
| 23:37.49 | Badman | who r u scenestar ? |
| 23:37.51 | scenestar | i really hate ubunutu and i dont care for anything about it |
| 23:37.58 | David3 | myren: I don't remember off the top of my head. I'll look for a moment, maybe someone else will come up with it |
| 23:38.26 | Badman | i dont care if u dont like ubuntu, just it's ur problem |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:38.30 | scenestar | /etc/init.d |
| 23:38.30 | dpkg_ | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:38.34 | abrotman | !tell Badman about ur |
| 23:38.35 | bnovc | how can i add --use-login to my openssh configuration? (UseLogin in sshd_config is NOT the same thing) |
| 23:38.38 | Badman | i'm talking to u scenestar |
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| 23:38.57 | scenestar | is badman still whining , i added him to /ifnore |
| 23:39.00 | David3 | myren: it's in /etc/inittab |
| 23:39.01 | stew | Badman: stop. if you want to discuss ubuntu with scenestar do it elsewhere |
| 23:39.05 | Azar | macka: troubleshooting lilo: http://snow.nl/dist/htmlc/ch14s03.html |
| 23:39.06 | abrotman | !d-i Badman |
| 23:39.06 | dpkg_ | Badman, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | Azar: i think you got lost |
| 23:39.27 | Azar | abrotman: if you say so, possible |
| 23:39.31 | Badman | now i can say that i m on debian sid |
| 23:39.31 | dli | bnovc, you want to enable ChallengeResponseAuthentication ? |
| 23:39.40 | stew | Badman: you are not, please go to #ubuntu |
| 23:39.41 | Badman | but it doesn't work |
| 23:39.47 | bnovc | dli, no...i want to add --use-login=/some/app |
| 23:39.52 | macka | didn't work |
| 23:39.57 | scenestar | you are on a blatantfork of debian with an ugley theme |
| 23:40.00 | scenestar | now go away |
| 23:40.00 | dvs | Badman: if you didn't install Debian via the CD, then you don't have Debian |
| 23:40.10 | Badman | i have no theme scenestar |
| 23:40.13 | David3 | scenestar: yes, Badman still doesn't know how to spell simple three-letter words |
| 23:40.23 | Badman | uncurse removed everything abt ubuntu |
| 23:40.31 | Badman | i m using irssi now |
| 23:40.38 | Badman | and i can do nothing |
| 23:40.52 | scenestar | i have irssi running as my wallpaper |
| 23:40.53 | Badman | even apt-get install doesn't work |
| 23:40.57 | scenestar | noone is impressed here |
| 23:40.59 | stew | Badman: installing ubuntu and running an "uncurse" script is not a supported way of installing "debian" |
| 23:41.09 | Badman | ha? |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | Badman: that is not how you install debian |
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| 23:41.23 | abrotman | !d-i Badman |
| 23:41.24 | dpkg_ | Badman, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:41.25 | kspath | Badman: Doing "it" that way is not debian. |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is wonky |
| 23:41.49 | Badman | i can install debian now directly? |
| 23:41.56 | scenestar | i think he just did a ubuntu server install and thinks that since its debranded hes running debian |
| 23:41.56 | macka | what am I meant to enter on the LILO command line? |
| 23:41.58 | dvs | abrotman: the bot or the prog? |
| 23:42.02 | bnovc | dli, know how? |
| 23:42.02 | macka | by default it's: Linux |
| 23:42.05 | stew | Badman: /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:42.08 | abrotman | dvs: bot .. why would don care about my dpkg |
| 23:42.10 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:42.14 | macka | I tried: Linux single - didn't work |
| 23:42.16 | scenestar | macka |
| 23:42.21 | scenestar | A running system can be taken to single user mode by using telinit to request run level 1. At bootup, it can be entered by giving the word single or emergency on the kernel command line: the kernel gives the command line to init as well, and init understands from that word that it shouldn't use the default run level. |
| 23:42.21 | David3 | macka: oh, lilo... hmmm, I'm not sure with lilo. I'll look |
| 23:42.21 | dvs | abrotman: Just asking. I'm stupid! |
| 23:42.22 | pipeline | scenestar: That's not true. |
| 23:42.24 | abrotman | OMG .. you can install debian directly? |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | ?!!? |
| 23:42.32 | abrotman | dvs: eh? :) |
| 23:42.32 | pipeline | scenestar: Ubuntu has all kinds of annoyingly fuckedover packages. |
| 23:42.36 | pipeline | scenestar: Much like every other debian fork. |
| 23:42.38 | bnovc | i'm trying to get an equivalent to the freebsd 'watch' command...ttysnoop is the best i can find but it doesnt work with ssh without a recompile |
| 23:42.41 | macka | scenestar: I'm not daft, I've read that twice now |
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| 23:42.42 | bnovc | which debian appears to be unable to do |
| 23:42.52 | scenestar | pipeline i really hate ubuntu |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | bnovc: there is a command called 'watch' in debian .. but i don't think it does what you want |
| 23:43.05 | Ronin | couldnt tell scenestar :) |
| 23:43.07 | Badman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.09 | bnovc | abrotman, it doesnt |
| 23:43.13 | stew | scenestar: we don't care, please drop it |
| 23:43.18 | abrotman | !find bin/watch sarge |
| 23:43.27 | dpkg_ | Debian Search of 'bin/watch' (4): (/usr/bin/watch) in base/procps ;; (/usr/bin/watchgnupg) in utils/gnupg2 ;; (/usr/sbin/watchdog) in admin/watchdog ;; (/usr/bin/watch-mimedefang) in mail/mimedefang. |
| 23:43.28 | abrotman | bnovc: ^^ |
| 23:43.31 | bnovc | watch in linux is not the same |
| 23:43.33 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 23:43.33 | bnovc | abrotman, |
| 23:43.34 | scenestar | macka, what exactly is the problem |
| 23:43.37 | abrotman | bnovc: i know .. i said that! |
| 23:43.37 | secher_ | Blackdown or Sun's JRE? |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | secher: sun |
| 23:43.45 | scenestar | is it related to lilo? |
| 23:43.45 | dvs | secher: Sun |
| 23:43.46 | dli | scenestar, ubuntu is not debian :( nobody cares you like it or not, I suppose nobody even cares you like debian or not |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | blackdown is old .. and not supported |
| 23:43.50 | secher_ | abrotman: Danke. |
| 23:43.54 | David3 | macka: It can be entered when the system boots by giving the word "single" or "emergency" on the kernel command line. This can be done at the LILO prompt after pressing the <TAB> key and entering your selection with the word "single" after it. The kernel sends the command line to the init program and it doesn't use the default run level. The kernel command line entry is dependent on how you boot the system. |
| 23:44.02 | bnovc | abrotman, you think watchdog is an equivalent? |
| 23:44.14 | abrotman | !info watchdog sarge |
| 23:44.21 | dpkg_ | watchdog: (software watchdog), section admin, is extra. Version: 5.2.4-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 23:44.22 | abrotman | i'm going to get no .. |
| 23:44.23 | bnovc | nope, watchdog is a timer app |
| 23:44.23 | bnovc | not close |
| 23:44.25 | scenestar | sun is changing its license btw |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | scenestar: they already did |
| 23:44.47 | scenestar | is it going to be in the official repos any time soon? |
| 23:44.49 | bnovc | no one knows how, then? |
| 23:44.50 | stew | !debwiki scenestar Java/Sun |
| 23:44.50 | dpkg_ | scenestar: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 23:44.55 | abrotman | scenestar: it already is .. pay attention |
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| 23:45.23 | abrotman | it's only the biggest news since ivman hit sid! |
| 23:45.30 | stew | hah |
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| 23:45.36 | dli | abrotman, so, make-jpkg is history now? |
| 23:45.43 | Solet-deb | how do i close an application that stops responding in x? |
| 23:45.45 | Badman | can u tell me just how to bypass the apt-get -f install problem? |
| 23:45.54 | stew | Badman: your ubuntu quesitons are off-topic here |
| 23:46.15 | Badman | i m not talking abt ubuntu stew u pissed me off |
| 23:46.16 | David3 | Solet-deb: in KDE you can do Ctrl+Alt+Esc and it will give you a little skull and crossbones icon you can click to kill |
| 23:46.24 | abrotman | dli: not yet .. but sun-jdk is in sid |
| 23:46.33 | polux | hi, don't you have some font antialiasing hinting problems in sid since today ? |
| 23:46.40 | Solet-deb | David3: yeah i'm in gnome |
| 23:46.46 | abrotman | Badman: stop talking like a moron .. and take your ubuntu questions to #ubuntu |
| 23:46.55 | stew | Badman: you are. i'm sorry we aren't able to help you. they should be able to help you in #ubuntu, if not, try a ubuntu mailing list |
| 23:47.06 | Badman | tell me what's my ubuntu question abrotman ??? |
| 23:47.07 | David3 | Solet-deb: well, it's probably worth a shot. The other thing you can definitely do -- if you know the name of the app, "killall myrogueapp" |
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| 23:47.20 | abrotman | Badman: you haven't installed debian .. you have a screwed up ubuntu |
| 23:47.35 | Kyral | Badman: as someone who has used both Debian and Ubuntu, I can tell you its not that easy to go between the two. Unless you installed from a Debian CD then you aren't in Debian. So ask in #ubuntu before you get flamed here :P |
| 23:47.39 | abrotman | dli: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/sun-java5-jdk |
| 23:47.40 | Solet-deb | so "killall vlc"? |
| 23:47.41 | Badman | is that a problem abrotman ? |
| 23:47.41 | myren | why does aptitude always default to your preference in /etc/apt/preferences after it fails to install something? |
| 23:47.49 | scenestar | abrotman |
| 23:47.51 | scenestar | wow |
| 23:47.54 | abrotman | Badman: yes .. YOU'RE NOT RUNNING DEBIAN |
| 23:47.55 | scenestar | just, friggin wow |
| 23:48.04 | myren | holy madre! |
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| 23:48.16 | dli | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:48.19 | scenestar | i am nearly about to use caps |
| 23:48.46 | scenestar | sun-java5-jre package |
| 23:48.57 | scenestar | hell really has frozen over |
| 23:49.16 | Badman | i will go to #ubuntu and tell them that i dont like their system i want to switch to debian, plz help.. is that what r u asking me to do????? |
| 23:49.17 | Solet-deb | hey guys when i click the start button why isnt mycomputer on the list under recent documents? |
| 23:49.30 | stew | Badman: /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:49.32 | dvs | Badman: Reinstall from the CD. |
| 23:49.41 | Badman | i cant do this dvs |
| 23:49.52 | dvs | Badman: floppy? USB? |
| 23:49.52 | David3 | Badman: well... you COULD do that, but I don't know how many friends it would earn you in #ubuntu |
| 23:49.53 | scenestar | Badman go away |
| 23:49.54 | stew | Badman: we'd be happy to help you install debian. we are not able to help you with your problems with your current ubntu system however |
| 23:49.58 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.00 | stoned | oh fuck |
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| 23:50.02 | stoned | man caps lock |
| 23:50.05 | bnovc | so the only way i can get this to work is to install a SECOND copy of openssh and leave the first (deb package) one running on a different port? |
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| 23:50.15 | stoned | !d-i Badman |
| 23:50.16 | dpkg_ | Badman, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:50.21 | scenestar | dude |
| 23:50.21 | Jeaton | get off my internet |
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| 23:50.26 | scenestar | dont feed the troll |
| 23:50.33 | scenestar | guys, just ignore badman |
| 23:50.37 | scenestar | YHBT HAND |
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| 23:50.53 | Badman | thx scenestar |
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| 23:51.12 | David3 | speaking of that, I heard a US court or office or something made a serious restriction on patent trolls. yay! |
| 23:51.15 | scenestar | not even ubuntu users can be THAT stupid |
| 23:51.22 | David3 | scenestar: dude, you have no idea |
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| 23:51.28 | Kyral | scenestar: I take offense at that one |
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| 23:51.38 | Badman | u think u r not scenestar |
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| 23:51.46 | Supaplex | !u |
| 23:51.46 | dpkg_ | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:51.51 | scenestar | David3 : o read that on slashdot |
| 23:51.58 | stoned | Badman, stop right now and install debian. |
| 23:52.12 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.13 | scenestar | stop feeding the troll |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | Badman: you have to install debian to get help here .. it's not negotiable .. you must install debian the debian way .. noone here will help you |
| 23:52.16 | stew | Badman: please stop unless you have a debian question. This is the last time i'm going to ask nicely. You are causing too much of a disruption in here. |
| 23:52.16 | David3 | scenestar: why am I not surprised that other people here read slashdot |
| 23:52.26 | Badman | if i m here it s because i tried to install debian stoned |
| 23:52.28 | stoned | Badman, you will not find furthur assistance here |
| 23:52.40 | stoned | Badman, how did you try to install debian? tellme |
| 23:52.40 | Badman | but i'm blocked with the X server |
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| 23:53.02 | scenestar | Badman , debian just hates you |
| 23:53.05 | Kyral | Badman: from personal experiance. Ubuntu -> Debian and Debian -> Ubuntu DOES NOT WORK |
| 23:53.11 | abrotman | i heard windows is easy to install ... |
| 23:53.15 | Kyral | lol |
| 23:53.16 | scenestar | and Xorg too |
| 23:53.16 | kspath | I put "Badman" on ignore but I keep seeing so much about "Badman" |
| 23:53.22 | Azar | Badman: http://www.geocities.com/mixonid/debianbase.html |
| 23:53.24 | scenestar | its just fun dude |
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| 23:53.27 | Ronin | abrotman: it is, i do it about 5 times a day |
| 23:53.30 | stew | kspath: /help ignore |
| 23:53.49 | kspath | stew: I know. Thanks. I was being sarcastic. ;-) |
| 23:53.55 | David3 | abrotman: actually, I recently read something a longtime linux sysadmin wrote about trying to install XP, and what a nightmare it was |
| 23:53.56 | Solet-deb | abrotman: just cause he's stupid doesnt mean you should suggest putting his machine in more danger than its already in.... |
| 23:53.58 | abrotman | Azar: how about a link .. to the acutal install guide instead of some half-assed document? |
| 23:54.06 | stew | kspath: there is a -replies option which is the one i think you are looking for |
| 23:54.08 | abrotman | Solet-deb: right .. not working is better :) |
| 23:54.12 | Azar | abrotman: ok |
| 23:54.13 | Supaplex | sed s/Debian/$ripoff/ < debian.iso > $ripoff.iso |
| 23:54.15 | scenestar | David3 gimme a link |
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| 23:54.19 | Samuli^ | I installed debian testing few days back and the installer didn't install gdm although I told it to. |
| 23:54.22 | scenestar | i heard about stories like that |
| 23:54.26 | stoned | Badman, go to debian.org download Sarge Install CD #1 and burn it. Then install debian. If you don't have a burner, download the iso and use hd-media boot option. If not, then just download the initrd/kernel for netinstall, boot them with grub, and start isntalling debian. The best option for you is to download the entire CD/dvd for sarge |
| 23:54.30 | David3 | scenestar: that's gonna take a while for me to dig up, I'll go look for it |
| 23:54.36 | scenestar | thanks |
| 23:54.40 | David3 | scenestar: I probably got it from osnews |
| 23:54.45 | scenestar | yeah |
| 23:54.47 | scenestar | nvm then |
| 23:54.50 | scenestar | i read it too i think |
| 23:54.56 | scenestar | i love those stories |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | Azar: i have no idea where you get half of your links .. but really .. there are usually better "official" docs that are actually useful |
| 23:54.59 | Supaplex | netinst is slick. |
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| 23:55.11 | Badman | thx stoned |
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| 23:55.36 | dvs | yay! |
| 23:55.36 | myren | why does aptitude always default to your preference in /etc/apt/preferences after it fails to install something? irksome. |
| 23:55.39 | scenestar | friggin kwin is lighting up my gnome-panels like an xmass tee |
| 23:55.42 | Solet-deb | abrotman: if its off very little can hurt it :) |
| 23:55.44 | Azar | abrotman: no newbie will bother read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents PEOPLE HATE LONG DOCUMENTS |
| 23:55.46 | stew | Samuli^: how did you tell it to? are you sure you don't have gdm installed? |
| 23:55.52 | abrotman | Azar: i read it |
| 23:55.56 | Azar | people do not want to read : too much |
| 23:55.58 | myren | i wish there was some way to snapshot a state of packages |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | Azar: and reading that is better than a horribly incomplete document |
| 23:56.06 | Azar | ask Badman if he is interested |
| 23:56.16 | stew | myren: what do you mean? |
| 23:56.21 | abrotman | he's too lazy to read? and that's our fault? |
| 23:56.24 | Azar | abrotman: is not a document, is just some helping info notes |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | so you point him to half-assed webpages? |
| 23:56.29 | Kyral | yanno, there is a reason I stopped using both Debian and Ubuntu..... |
| 23:56.30 | Samuli^ | stew, I had it working after I apt-get gnome-desktop-environment at the bash. |
| 23:56.34 | stoned | quit pickin on him |
| 23:56.44 | scenestar | welll one thing i do have to add here |
| 23:56.53 | Azar | abrotman: instead to type all that half assed here , I put it on a page |
| 23:56.54 | stoned | communications problems don't always neccesirily mean someone is a troll |
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| 23:57.12 | Azar | but is ok I can do it for newbies who ask here, one by one |
| 23:57.15 | myren | stew: save the entire config you have setup, every version of every package |
| 23:57.16 | Samuli^ | stew, I used netinstall and didn't change repos after installation so they are not to blame for my un-gdmness. |
| 23:57.18 | scenestar | its like man pages and rfc,s theyre too big |
| 23:57.26 | orchid | Samuli^: if you can reproduce that you should probably file a bug |
| 23:57.35 | scenestar | they got so much info that i tend to forget what the issue was |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | Azar: but it's halfassed .. send them to the install guide .. if they're too lazy to read that .. then they probably shouldn't be using debian |
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| 23:57.50 | stew | Samuli^: how did you tell it to install gdm the first time? |
| 23:57.56 | Samuli^ | ochid, I had that happen twice or thrice. But it's probably fixed by now anyways. |
| 23:57.57 | scenestar | well no shit |
| 23:58.07 | scenestar | he didnt install gdm, gnome session |
| 23:58.11 | scenestar | and some other stuff |
| 23:58.15 | Samuli^ | stew, with the installer I chose 'desktop-enviroment' along with other options. |
| 23:58.28 | abrotman | Azar: and your instructions are broken anyways |
| 23:58.30 | scenestar | yeah well, net install or offline? |
| 23:58.34 | stew | Samuli^: did you then run an aptitude install or a dselect install? |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | very much broken |
| 23:58.39 | Azar | abrotman: I agree with you, is not a document and is incomplete: just few highlights of how could be: myself I had hard time even now to read the man pages or some highly tech wordings... |
| 23:58.48 | Samuli^ | stew, aptitude install |
| 23:58.58 | stew | Samuli^: and it installed some gnome stuff but not gdm? |
| 23:59.01 | scenestar | post your sources.list somewhere |
| 23:59.01 | Azar | abrotman: broken? |
| 23:59.02 | Samuli^ | stew, I don't think I even had an option for dselect |
| 23:59.10 | scenestar | waarght |
| 23:59.10 | softwork | os[Linux 2.6.15-1-486 i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ @ 2.01GHz] mem[Physical : 885MB, 75.0% free] disk[Total : 128.39GB, 55.30% Free] video[1002:5e4d] sound[NFORCE - NVidia CK8S1: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART] |
| 23:59.12 | stoned | reading technical documentation is a skill |
| 23:59.21 | scenestar | true |
| 23:59.28 | scenestar | but so is reading |
| 23:59.29 | Samuli^ | stew, well it installed X and I think gnome specific stuff too. |
| 23:59.31 | stew | softwork: was there a reason for that? |
| 23:59.40 | scenestar | so people shouldnt be exempted |
| 23:59.42 | softwork | sorry worng window |
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| 23:59.47 | abrotman | Azar: broken |
| 23:59.48 | softwork | wrong window |
| 23:59.51 | jbrimble | how do i save and quit in vi? |
| 23:59.55 | Supaplex | :wq |
| 23:59.56 | scenestar | :w |
