| 00:00.05 | jetscreamer | but irssi doesn't have cwutsey widdle smileys and huge fonts in weird colors |
| 00:00.07 | EdLin | clarity_: irssi can be programmed in Perl |
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| 00:00.26 | gravity | irssi isn't a constant target for cracks |
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| 00:00.38 | kspath | clarity_: xchat can be scripted as well but I like irssi a lot. |
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| 00:00.49 | jetscreamer | !barbie irssi |
| 00:01.00 | jetscreamer | oh be a barbie or somehting |
| 00:01.01 | clarity_ | yah it's just nostalgia though |
| 00:01.06 | gravity | !be an irssi barbie |
| 00:01.06 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 00:01.06 | clarity_ | :-) |
| 00:01.24 | Tenniru | Oops, now I hit another problem; I cannot find drxx |
| 00:01.34 | gravity | er |
| 00:01.38 | jetscreamer | it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:01.44 | jetscreamer | or -xfree86 depending |
| 00:01.49 | streuner | dpkg, be a irssi barbie is <reply> chating in irssi is *HARD* - Let's go shopping! |
| 00:01.50 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 00:02.08 | gravity | two t's in "chatting" |
| 00:02.14 | zu22 | ok i can't get libc6 working, i was running unstable and hadn't update/upgrade in over a year so when i tried to upgrade many of my packages were too old and i was getting error on libc6 it woudn't install so i asked on here and someone told me to change sources.list to stable and update/upgrade so i did that but still getting libc6 error: Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 (using .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3_i386.deb (--unpack) |
| 00:02.20 | EdLin | streuner: "an irssi", i is a vowel |
| 00:02.26 | streuner | oh, feel free to edit it, gravity |
| 00:02.33 | gravity | EdLin: Right |
| 00:02.33 | jetscreamer | not |
| 00:02.35 | streuner | yes :-) |
| 00:02.36 | jetscreamer | no |
| 00:02.41 | zu22 | it also says: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/zoneinfo/Zulu', which is also in package tzdata.dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). |
| 00:02.44 | gravity | dpkg, forget be an irssi barbie |
| 00:02.44 | dpkg | gravity: i didn't have anything called 'be an irssi barbie' to forget |
| 00:02.45 | zu22 | anyway i can fix this? |
| 00:02.53 | gravity | dpkg, forget be a irssi barbie |
| 00:02.54 | dpkg | gravity: i forgot be a irssi barbie |
| 00:02.59 | jetscreamer | in an irssi textbox or whatever, sure |
| 00:03.04 | clarity_ | is 2.6.8-3 really buggy? |
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| 00:03.10 | jetscreamer | but it's 'in irssi' |
| 00:03.10 | zu22 | this is really driving me crazy |
| 00:03.22 | clarity_ | it locked up boot :-( |
| 00:03.25 | Foxure | Any1 know how to do so not apache2 log entryies from 192.168.10.*? |
| 00:03.26 | zu22 | streuner do u know how i can fix it? |
| 00:03.51 | gravity | zu22: You need the new tzdata deb from unstable too apparently |
| 00:03.53 | streuner | zu22: don't ask *random* people how to fix things, ask in channel please... |
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| 00:04.05 | EdLin | !u |
| 00:04.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:04.30 | zu22 | gravity: ok how can i do that? |
| 00:04.34 | gravity | zu22: But upgrading libc6 to unstable and not upgrading the rest of your system too is... bad. Really stupid bad. |
| 00:04.38 | zu22 | streuner: oh sorry |
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| 00:04.49 | zu22 | gravity: noo my sources.list has "stable" now |
| 00:04.59 | gravity | zu22: Wait... what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 00:06.05 | zu22 | gravity: ok, i had unstable system i hadn't upgraded in over 14 months so when i did 'apt-get upgrade" i got tons of errors and asked in channel and they said to change sources.list to stable so i did that and did 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and now i am getting this libc6 error. my eventual goal is to get back to unstable again |
| 00:06.05 | streuner | heh |
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| 00:07.00 | dafresh | zu22, maybe apt-get dist-upgrade can help you |
| 00:07.05 | EdLin | !bobbit |
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| 00:07.13 | streuner | zu22: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:07.13 | zu22 | dafresh: ah |
| 00:07.25 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 00:07.25 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 00:07.28 | zu22 | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 00:07.31 | KirbyMeister | man i LOVE dpkg it always has the right answer |
| 00:07.40 | EdLin | streuner: real low batting average for me tonight |
| 00:07.56 | kspath | !roflmao |
| 00:07.56 | dpkg | i guess roflmao is rolling on the floor laughing my arse off, or painful |
| 00:08.04 | streuner | EdLin: no worries, i made the vowel perfect ;-) |
| 00:08.12 | zu22 | streuner: is that good? 2.3.2.dsl-20 ? |
| 00:08.18 | streuner | heh |
| 00:08.24 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 00:08.31 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 00:08.45 | streuner | perfect :-) |
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| 00:08.59 | zu22 | streuner: i am trying to install 2.3.2.dsl-22 but it wont let me cause of this libc6 problem |
| 00:09.03 | streuner | but it depends what packages you have installed on that box... |
| 00:09.13 | gravity | zu22: Sorry, I lost connection by accident. What are you trying to do? |
| 00:09.15 | EdLin | zu22: what I would seriously suggest is back your system up and reinstall sarge, then dist-upgrade to sid if you want. |
| 00:09.24 | Ugly_Duck | whats the remote desktop client for linux to connect to xp? |
| 00:09.35 | streuner | gravity: <zu22> streuner: is that good? 2.3.2.dsl-20 ? |
| 00:09.46 | gravity | What is that? |
| 00:09.51 | gravity | That number means nothing to me |
| 00:09.54 | streuner | gravity: he has that libc6 installed |
| 00:10.05 | kspath | Ugly_Duck: apt-cache search rdp ? |
| 00:10.05 | zu22 | gravity: ok, i had unstable system i hadn't upgraded in over 14 months so when i did 'apt-get upgrade" i got tons of errors and asked in channel and they said to change sources.list to stable so i did that and did 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and now i am getting this libc6 error. my eventual goal is to get back to unstable again. i have libc6 2.3.2.dls-20 and it won't upgrade to 2.3.2-dsl-22 cause of tzdata error message |
| 00:10.08 | EdLin | gravity: he wants to downgrade from sid to sarge and back again |
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| 00:10.12 | Ugly_Duck | kspath: thanks |
| 00:10.15 | streuner | but upgrading gives him an error..., gravity |
| 00:10.16 | gravity | dsl? urgh.... Damn Small Linux? |
| 00:10.17 | zu22 | edlin: i have no way to backup |
| 00:10.33 | zu22 | edlin: i have laptop, dialup, no cd/dvd burner, no zip drive, no floppy drive |
| 00:10.35 | EdLin | !downgrade |
| 00:10.35 | dpkg | it has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 00:10.38 | gravity | zu22: Did you install from a Debian CD? Or a derived distro like Damn Small Linux? |
| 00:10.56 | zu22 | gravity: i don't know what the dsl means either heh |
| 00:11.01 | Tenniru | hmm |
| 00:11.10 | kspath | gravity: DSL is decent but it is not debian |
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| 00:11.13 | Tenniru | It seems even after the reconfiguration, the screen still has the problem |
| 00:11.13 | gravity | hrm, ok |
| 00:11.18 | zu22 | gravity: i installed from debian cd, Debian 3.0R2 |
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| 00:11.20 | gravity | It looks fine |
| 00:11.37 | EdLin | zu22: 3.0 is not Sarge, its Woody |
| 00:11.39 | Tenniru | In xorg.conf, the only resolutions I see are 1024.768 |
| 00:11.46 | dafresh | zu22, try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:11.52 | zu22 | dafresh: ok |
| 00:11.52 | gravity | zu22: Then did you upgrade and now you're trying to downgrade? That's not smart either. |
| 00:11.56 | streuner | !drxx Tenniru |
| 00:11.56 | dpkg | Tenniru: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:12.00 | Thanatermesis | XFS: Filesystem sdb5 has duplicate UUID - can't mount |
| 00:12.11 | Thanatermesis | how i delete one of the UUID ? |
| 00:12.26 | Thanatermesis | this hard disk is not important.. is a broken hard disk but im trying to use it for make backups |
| 00:12.34 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, tune2fs |
| 00:13.05 | zu22 | gravity: the problem is i installed 1 year ago, and wanted to get current packages (running unstable) and i asked on channel and they said you cannot really upgrade from such an old packages to new unstable packges so they suggested i downgrade to stable first and thus i am getting this libc6 error still, they said error should've gone away when i downgraded |
| 00:13.17 | dafresh | hey anyone can help me with my raid5 wont mount on boot, but with mount -a it work fine, i really dont anderstand ?! |
| 00:13.21 | Tenniru | I just used that, and the only resolution I chose was 1024-768 |
| 00:13.28 | Tenniru | I'm not sure what to do with it now |
| 00:13.37 | gravity | zu22: Someone... told you to downgrade? In here? |
| 00:13.38 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, and the question now dafresh, is, "what is a uuid" and how i look the name of those ? |
| 00:13.39 | streuner | zu22: well, nobody said this here ever, iam pretty sure about that |
| 00:13.39 | zu22 | my goal is to be able to run latest unstable packges |
| 00:13.51 | elliptic | how can I test a apt-get install but just a test ? |
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| 00:14.07 | gravity | zu22: I recommend reinstalling and the upgrading from the stable install. Not downgrade your current install. |
| 00:14.07 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, try tune2fs -l device, and the man ;) |
| 00:14.20 | zu22 | gravity: yup cheal told me |
| 00:14.26 | gravity | zu22: Downgrading an existing install isn't supported and will almost certaintly break |
| 00:14.27 | Thanatermesis | ok, thx |
| 00:14.32 | streuner | haha |
| 00:14.45 | liable | well, he isnt really downgrading, sarges libc6 is newer than the one he has.. |
| 00:14.58 | dafresh | zu22, when i told you to try with apt-get dist-upgrad, do it with unstable source hé ! |
| 00:15.04 | zu22 | gravity: ok so what should i do now to fix things? i want to eventually be running current unstable packages |
| 00:15.16 | gravity | zu22: Reinstall. Upgrade. |
| 00:15.17 | stew | zu22: you are not downgrading to stable, you are upgrading to stable |
| 00:15.18 | Tenniru | Does anyone know what I should do here? |
| 00:15.19 | streuner | liable: he trying to fix this problem the last days, IIRC |
| 00:15.22 | Thanatermesis | dafresh, sounds a little funny: tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb5 Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
| 00:15.24 | stew | zu22: your packages are older than the current stable |
| 00:15.26 | zu22 | dafresh: i am talking about yesterday when cheal told me that not you |
| 00:15.40 | liable | zu22: have you tried installing libc6 with dpkg --force-overwrite? |
| 00:15.40 | stew | (at least they were a few hours ago) |
| 00:15.44 | zu22 | liable: yeah |
| 00:15.50 | elliptic | how can I test a dpkg -i but just a test ? |
| 00:16.02 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, seems that your fs is really corrupted |
| 00:16.03 | streuner | elliptic: man dpkg |
| 00:16.04 | zu22 | stew: ok |
| 00:16.14 | zu22 | streuner: yeah |
| 00:16.15 | streuner | elliptic: apt-get -s would be fine |
| 00:16.16 | Thanatermesis | yes... aparently :/ |
| 00:16.28 | liable | zu22: and it still complains? |
| 00:16.37 | Thanatermesis | for what is usefull a broken hard disk ? |
| 00:16.39 | zu22 | liable: no i not try force-overwrite i was scared cause i heard that is bad policy |
| 00:16.40 | streuner | elliptic: look for 'simulate' option in apt-get |
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| 00:17.09 | liable | zu22: well, you have a bad situation, either do drastic things or re-install. |
| 00:17.11 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, a dangerous/funny freesbe ?! |
| 00:17.12 | streuner | zu22: go backup your data, and reinstall. |
| 00:17.23 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
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| 00:18.04 | elliptic | streuner: thanks exactly what I'm looking for |
| 00:18.14 | Thanatermesis | well... i just don't like to imagine to 200 Gb is for the trash just because some badblocks are f**** me |
| 00:18.20 | streuner | gravity: prolly nobody expects that someone using an older version than the version in sarge... |
| 00:18.23 | zu22 | liable: ok i tried "dpkg install libc6 --force-overwrite" and it says "dpkg: need an action option" |
| 00:18.42 | dafresh | why a partition wont mount a boot and mount very with a mount -a, that's a question! |
| 00:18.46 | liable | zu22: erm, yes, you need to supply the package and the install command... |
| 00:18.48 | zu22 | streuner: how can i backup? i have no cd burner/zip disk/floppy drive |
| 00:19.00 | gravity | streuner: Well, he's using the term as though he's got newer software. Saying "downgrade to stable" doesn't imply that the unstable version he has installed in pre-sarge |
| 00:19.04 | streuner | zu22: hm, what amount of data do you have? |
| 00:19.12 | gravity | Even if that's what is the situation |
| 00:19.15 | Tenniru | So far I can't find any problem with xorg.conf, and yet X insists on being a wrong resolution and obscuring my sight |
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| 00:19.37 | zu22 | liable: oh can u tell me what to tell dpkg i never used it before just 'apt-get' |
| 00:19.45 | streuner | downgrading=back to sarge |
| 00:20.01 | Thanatermesis | i have tired to make diferents partitions for found the zone where are the badblocks and no use this partition... but after a lot of test im convinced to the badblocks has 2 legs and walk around the sectors of the hard disk dafresh |
| 00:20.06 | streuner | or back to unstable? ;-) |
| 00:20.08 | zu22 | streuner: well i have about 100MB of user data in /home |
| 00:20.09 | Knorrie | zu22: it's dpkg -i or apt-get install, not dpkg install |
| 00:20.22 | zu22 | streuner: and my config files that is about ~1 MB or less |
| 00:20.22 | streuner | zu22: second HD? |
| 00:20.23 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, do you know "badblocks" ?! |
| 00:20.28 | zu22 | streuner: just one HD |
| 00:20.34 | zu22 | streuner: and i am on dialup heh |
| 00:20.38 | streuner | zu22: go buy some HD |
| 00:20.45 | liable | zu22: you need to supply the path to the package.. dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/libc6-blah.deb |
| 00:20.46 | zu22 | knorrie: ah thx |
| 00:20.46 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, badblocks - search a device for bad blocks |
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| 00:21.08 | Thanatermesis | yes... this is the tool of i have used for found the parts where are the badblocks |
| 00:21.24 | zu22 | streuner: you mean an external HD? this is a laptop, and i have only USB1 port and no firewire so external HD will be slow unless i buy USB2 adapter or fireware pcmcia card |
| 00:21.27 | Thanatermesis | and this is why i say finally to has legs and walk's around the hard disk |
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| 00:21.36 | dafresh | ok ... "My pretty and lovely Debian" wont mount my partition at boot time ... any sugestions ? |
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| 00:21.38 | zu22 | liable: ok thx |
| 00:21.46 | Thanatermesis | i have made a lot of tests, partitioning it everytime... but badblocks moves lol |
| 00:21.54 | Tenniru | There are several subsections for each seperate depth, and there is a default depth of 24 (whose mode is 1024/868) |
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| 00:22.08 | Tenniru | Should I still delete all other subsections but 24? |
| 00:22.14 | Andruk | what is the next stable version of debian coming out? |
| 00:22.21 | Tenniru | Or should I ad a DefaultMode 1024x768? |
| 00:22.23 | gravity | Andruk: It's scheduled for the end of the year |
| 00:22.25 | Knorrie | Andruk: etch |
| 00:22.26 | Andruk | er, when is the next stable coming out? |
| 00:22.34 | Andruk | cool |
| 00:22.37 | Andruk | is dapper out? |
| 00:22.41 | Thanatermesis | for example, 4 partitions with the same size.. i found badblock in one.. i use the rest to not show any error in the tests... i start using it but in less than 1 day i have errors or the system broken again, dafresh |
| 00:22.43 | Knorrie | Andruk: 1 june |
| 00:22.49 | Andruk | th |
| 00:22.51 | Andruk | x |
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| 00:22.57 | Knorrie | Andruk: dapper != debian |
| 00:23.08 | Thanatermesis | dafresh, what kernel ? you use initramfs ? |
| 00:23.12 | liable | zu22: its not really recommended to run sid if you dont have a fairly good grasp of the basic package management tools. but oh well its your boxen.. |
| 00:23.24 | Knorrie | b0x0rz :D |
| 00:23.26 | zu22 | liable: well i need to learn so i jump in hehe |
| 00:23.36 | chingy | Dapper is due out in June. It was delayed. |
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| 00:24.05 | Andruk | and sarge is the current stable, no? |
| 00:24.09 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, the root mount well, with initrd and raid1 ect ... but 2 parition in raid5 soft wont mount a boot time, but with a mount -a after the boot it works fine ... |
| 00:24.11 | Knorrie | Andruk: yes |
| 00:24.17 | Andruk | wonderful, thanks! |
| 00:24.21 | Tenniru | Could someone please help me? |
| 00:24.26 | zu22 | streuner: can u recommen da good external hard disk? how much will it cost? i guess i will need to buy firewire pcmcia card eh? |
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| 00:25.00 | Knorrie | Tenniru: 1024/868 <- really? |
| 00:25.09 | Knorrie | Tenniru: 1024/768 sounds ok |
| 00:25.10 | Tenniru | I meant 768 |
| 00:25.14 | Knorrie | ah |
| 00:25.20 | dafresh | zu22, usb 2 is fine too |
| 00:25.39 | Thanatermesis | dafresh, maybe the initrd don't contains the modules for raid5, try to add it on the list in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and rebuild a initramfs |
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| 00:26.05 | zu22 | dafresh: ok do u know off hand how much a USB2 pcmcia adapter card will cost me? |
| 00:26.21 | Knorrie | Tenniru: put your xorg.conf in pastebin.com? maybe someone can spot a configuration error? |
| 00:26.23 | zu22 | dafresh: what is a good site i can buy this stuff online? |
| 00:26.25 | Thanatermesis | if not mount in the boot time, very posible to its becuase you are on the initrd step where has less modules than the "normal system" |
| 00:26.38 | Tenniru | It was just created with reconfigure-xserver |
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| 00:26.53 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, hhum i think not ... the initrd is used to load the kernel, located in the root partition, but not for mount other partitions |
| 00:26.58 | gravity | Tenniru: Could you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a paster? |
| 00:27.10 | gravity | Tenniru: That'll be more useful than the xorg.conf right now |
| 00:27.20 | Tenniru | I'm slightly uncertain that I know how to do that |
| 00:27.29 | gravity | !paster |
| 00:27.29 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
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| 00:27.58 | zu22 | i heard that the dpkg blootbot database of info is online somewhere and queryable, does anyone know the website? |
| 00:28.14 | liable | !your factoids |
| 00:28.14 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 00:28.26 | zu22 | liable: cool! |
| 00:28.28 | gravity | Wow, I didn't know don had set that up. Cool. |
| 00:28.46 | dafresh | zu22, ask google |
| 00:28.52 | zu22 | i manually load my windoze partition (/dev/hda1) each time i login, anyway to make debian automnatically do this? |
| 00:28.59 | zu22 | dafresh: okey :) |
| 00:29.07 | dafresh | zu22, i am pretty sure that i am not in the same country ;) |
| 00:29.13 | dafresh | zu22, we are not |
| 00:29.15 | Thanatermesis | dafresh, what about the order of mount in fstab ? try to add +1 number to the last number (for example "0 1" to "0 2" |
| 00:29.30 | zu22 | dafresh: what country are you? |
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| 00:30.06 | Tenniru | I'm looking at the log, actually, and it says 1024x768 has an "hsync out of range" |
| 00:30.16 | Thanatermesis | zu22, man fstab + /auto |
| 00:30.41 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, no the sixiest number is used by fsck a the boot time |
| 00:30.43 | Tenniru | something is telling me I set it to the wrong hz while configuring |
| 00:30.51 | zu22 | thanatermesis: ok thx |
| 00:31.05 | zu22 | dafresh: I am in USA |
| 00:31.09 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, hom many fsck must chek the partition |
| 00:31.16 | dafresh | zu22, i am not ;) |
| 00:31.41 | zu22 | do any of you advanced guys use synaptic? i tried using aptitude but didn't like the interface |
| 00:31.45 | zu22 | dafresh: ah secret gotcha ;) |
| 00:31.53 | gravity | I sometimes wonder if I should switch to synaptic. |
| 00:32.00 | dafresh | zu22, ;p |
| 00:32.02 | gravity | But I know aptitude really well now |
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| 00:32.13 | thingfish | zu22: use synaptic if you like. Don't worry about what other people do. Synaptic is a wonderful application. |
| 00:32.14 | gravity | Plus using a gui for package management seems cumbersome |
| 00:32.29 | Knorrie | !beer |
| 00:32.29 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 00:32.31 | zu22 | dafresh: i still got firefox 1.0 installed from last time i used this box hehe |
| 00:32.33 | Knorrie | hmm |
| 00:32.39 | zu22 | thingfish: ok cool |
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| 00:32.54 | nevyn | gravity: umm aptitude is only a halfstep away from a gui |
| 00:33.05 | gravity | nevyn: True |
| 00:33.12 | nevyn | gravity: assuming you run aptitude and don't just do |
| 00:33.23 | nevyn | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 00:33.30 | zu22 | nevyn: good on ya mate |
| 00:33.31 | dafresh | please, anyone can help me, my partition wont mount at boot time, but well with a mount -a ... i REALLY dont anderstand |
| 00:33.34 | gravity | nevyn: synaptic's use of filters and such for searching was what put me off from it more than anything |
| 00:33.57 | astronut | dafresh: show us the line from fstab |
| 00:33.59 | nevyn | gravity: I prefer aptitude's filtering and searching system |
| 00:34.04 | zu22 | nevyn: i've noticed a lot of aussies running debian :) |
| 00:34.07 | nevyn | gravity: and I couldn't live without auto.. |
| 00:34.15 | nevyn | zu22: it's reasonably popular here |
| 00:34.21 | dafresh | astronut, /dev/md3 /mnt/data ext3 errors=remount-ro,rw,exec 0 0 |
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| 00:34.21 | zu22 | nevyn: cool |
| 00:34.38 | nevyn | zu22: ubuntu is getting a lot of converts from debian tho. |
| 00:34.41 | gravity | nevyn: "auto"? |
| 00:35.04 | nevyn | gravity: m and M |
| 00:35.12 | zu22 | nevyn: i hope enough people stick with debian and not spin-off live distros or else development in debian core might slow down |
| 00:35.16 | nevyn | gravity: change a packages status from auto to not auto... |
| 00:35.32 | nevyn | gravity: it solves the removing dependancies problem |
| 00:35.47 | dafresh | astronut, it's a raid5 soft partition |
| 00:35.51 | gravity | nevyn: Ah, that. Cool, I didn't realize that was there. I manage everything through aptitude anyway, so I've never needed that. |
| 00:36.02 | gravity | Well, almost everything. I still do some stuff with straight dpkg |
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| 00:36.07 | nevyn | gravity: it's very powerful within aptitude |
| 00:36.18 | gravity | nevyn: How so? |
| 00:36.19 | zu22 | nevyn: do you think these spi-off distros represent a real threat to debian development and longevity? |
| 00:36.21 | Thanatermesis | dafresh, you are the 2º person to say to is fsck but im not sure to its fsck but the order of mount |
| 00:36.23 | nevyn | gravity: It let's you do cruft cleanups |
| 00:36.41 | Thanatermesis | dafresh, for example, you need to mount /usr/local but you need first to have mounted /usr |
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| 00:36.47 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, it's write in the man ... |
| 00:36.58 | nevyn | mark all installed auto... select the packages you care about (kde/gnome/x-widows-system) |
| 00:37.01 | gravity | nevyn: Doesn't it handle most of that automagically though? |
| 00:37.08 | dafresh | The sixth field, (fs_passno), is used by the fsck(8) program to determine the order in which filesystem checks are done at reboot time. |
| 00:37.15 | nevyn | see what aptitude want to remove.. and check if you care about them |
| 00:37.15 | gravity | nevyn: I run deborphan about once a year and do the cleanup, but that's about it |
| 00:37.21 | gravity | nevyn: Ah, I see |
| 00:37.26 | dafresh | oups ... |
| 00:37.51 | gravity | Very cool |
| 00:38.30 | Thanatermesis | hum... strange |
| 00:38.30 | nevyn | deborphan doesn't remove packages that you just installed once on a whim.. this does |
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| 00:38.56 | astronut | nevyn: i need to do that, though i missed the beggining |
| 00:39.00 | zu22 | Anyone worried that Debian spin-off live (boot from CD) distros like Ubuntu, Morphix, Knoppix, will threaten Debian core development and long-term adoption? |
| 00:39.09 | astronut | i haven't ever converted to aptitude...*shrug* |
| 00:39.11 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, maybe you are right, maybe the order of the fscheck is the mount order ... i will test some stuff |
| 00:39.12 | gravity | Somewhat, but not really |
| 00:39.22 | gravity | It's better if we cooperate |
| 00:39.32 | zu22 | gravity: ah |
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| 00:39.45 | nevyn | zu22: not really. |
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| 00:40.21 | zu22 | ok, i guess runing Ubuntu is better than redhat or madriva or suse hehe since it's still Debian based |
| 00:40.25 | nevyn | meh.. I still prefer sid to dapper. I had dapper on my laptop (sata cdrom) and it just ended up annoying me |
| 00:40.37 | thingfish | zu22: no, you're wrong about that. ;) |
| 00:40.39 | gravity | zu22: Cooperation with the non-Debian distros is good too |
| 00:40.47 | zu22 | thingfish: oh? :) |
| 00:40.48 | gravity | I cooperate extensively with Redhat, for example, in my work |
| 00:40.53 | thingfish | hehe j/k |
| 00:40.59 | nevyn | it was ok once I installed kubuntu-desktop and universe.. but I wasn't significantly ahead of sid |
| 00:41.00 | gravity | Or Fedora. Whatever. |
| 00:41.00 | zu22 | lol |
| 00:41.25 | zu22 | gravity: ok, i wanna put up a debian page on my site to do my part to spread debian and i wanna learn how to package/maintain packages |
| 00:41.43 | astronut | ~[3~[3~[3~ |
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| 00:41.46 | nevyn | the problem with debian is that you can't get real commercial support for debian ubuntu is kinda fixing that. |
| 00:41.48 | astronut | sorry |
| 00:41.59 | astronut | wtf is w/ screen? |
| 00:42.01 | nevyn | zu22: where/who are you? |
| 00:42.08 | gravity | zu22: Check out the new maintainer's guide and the Debian Women wiki for the best packaging information available |
| 00:42.19 | zu22 | nevyn: ah so businesses may start adopting debian once there is commerical support? |
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| 00:42.24 | thingfish | nevyn: tell that to the city of Munich. |
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| 00:42.28 | Foxure | i think i know what the problem is |
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| 00:42.39 | zu22 | nevyn: i am in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA, i used to come on here as "afs" |
| 00:43.01 | zu22 | gravity: ok thanks i will check that out |
| 00:43.18 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, it changes nothing ... |
| 00:43.32 | zu22 | nevyn: i recall your name from a few years back :P |
| 00:43.55 | zu22 | thingfish: oh so Munich city government is running Debian? |
| 00:43.56 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, mybe the raid5 module is needed by the inird |
| 00:44.10 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, thx in advance if it works ;) |
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| 00:44.31 | thingfish | zu22: yes they are. or at least they're in the process of switching to it. google - it's public knowledge. |
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| 00:44.56 | zu22 | thingfish: excellent |
| 00:45.01 | Thanatermesis | dafresh, try it ;) rebuild a initramfs with it is very easy, just add the name of the module on /etc/mkinitramfs/modules list file and "mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-version" |
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| 00:48.54 | AndrukTatum | if i install kubuntu aongside sarge and XP, will grub be ble to pick it up? |
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| 00:49.20 | wmhtet | debian based |
| 00:49.20 | gravity | AndrukTatum: Ask in #ubuntu or #kubuntu or something. They'll be able to answer your questions appropriately |
| 00:49.28 | wmhtet | !debian based |
| 00:49.28 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 00:49.43 | Andruk | #kubuntu didnt work, they sent me here |
| 00:49.55 | zinx | Andruk: only if you add the entries to menu.lst |
| 00:50.08 | Coweater | then run grub-install |
| 00:50.08 | gravity | Andruk: Tell them not to do that any more. |
| 00:50.09 | zinx | Andruk: whichever menu.lst it's looking at, that is |
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| 00:50.23 | Andruk | right, thats what i was thinking |
| 00:50.25 | Andruk | okay |
| 00:50.28 | Andruk | ill give it a shot |
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| 00:51.12 | AndrukTatum | the ppl in #grub say that it will |
| 00:51.20 | AndrukTatum | lol, but you brought up a good point |
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| 00:52.21 | zu22 | 8,414 spam in gmail ugh, wish they had "delete all" button, i don't wanna have to click through 400 pages lol |
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| 00:53.05 | AndrukTatum | yes, but you wouldnt want to move all of those from inbox to junk mail, now would you? |
| 00:53.12 | AndrukTatum | ;) |
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| 00:53.55 | Coweater | set it to show 100/page, select all, delete |
| 00:54.09 | Coweater | won't take long |
| 00:54.32 | FabParma | what i have to do to use my Debian via VNC? |
| 00:54.47 | Coweater | and work on your e-mail habits, 8,000 is outrageous |
| 00:55.05 | zu22 | coweater: 8,400 / 100 is 84 pages i'd have to go through, still a lot heh |
| 00:55.34 | zu22 | coweater: wish gmail had "delete immediately" option for spam folder like Hotmail does |
| 00:55.52 | zinx | doesn't it? |
| 00:55.56 | zu22 | coweater: lol i don't know why i have so many spam, i post on usenet some but not that much |
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| 00:56.21 | thingfish | hahaha |
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| 00:56.48 | AndrukTatum | i wish hotmail could automatically forward stuff like gmail |
| 00:56.57 | zu22 | know any tips for cutting down on the spam? |
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| 00:57.28 | gravity | I still use a spamtrap account |
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| 00:57.51 | gravity | I know it's fallen out of favor, but I still think it's important to have one |
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| 00:58.12 | Coag\\laptop | I would like to know how possible a netinstall would be for a machine that is 100mhz powerful, with 1 megs of ram, and no cd drive |
| 00:58.24 | Coag\\laptop | 16 megs of ram I meant |
| 00:58.32 | Coweater | yes |
| 00:58.47 | zinx | No. |
| 00:58.52 | gravity | Hrm, I don't think the installer can do 16 megs |
| 00:58.55 | zinx | it can't |
| 00:58.56 | gravity | I thought 32 was the minimum |
| 00:59.01 | gravity | At best |
| 00:59.01 | Coweater | you have to do an old system, then upgrade |
| 00:59.17 | gravity | Time to dig out the bo floppies! |
| 00:59.23 | Coag\\laptop | heh |
| 00:59.23 | zinx | or use a distribution more suited to that hardware |
| 00:59.31 | zinx | debian's not going to be fast on it. |
| 00:59.32 | Coweater | not bo um whatever's before sarge works i think |
| 00:59.37 | FabParma | i installed vnc server on my Debian but im unable to connect to. what can i do? |
| 00:59.39 | angler- | when using "startx" I am getting "FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing." and X windows fails |
| 00:59.43 | Coag\\laptop | the only floppy distro I could get to boot was mininux |
| 00:59.45 | zinx | it'll take *forever* to update it when you need to update it |
| 00:59.51 | gravity | urgh |
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| 01:00.11 | gravity | angler-: I know about that bug, but it's not patched yet |
| 01:00.27 | gravity | angler-: Not sure why it crashes X though, it shouldn't |
| 01:00.31 | gravity | That's the biggest problem |
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| 01:00.48 | angler- | gravity, grrr... I just upgrade because I saw a bug that said it was fixed in latest |
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| 01:01.02 | gravity | different bug |
| 01:01.06 | dafresh | Thanatermesis, |
| 01:01.14 | Thanatermesis | yo |
| 01:01.33 | angler- | well damn now I have to swap coax back to tv |
| 01:01.35 | gravity | angler-: Try commenting out the line for that path in your xorg.conf |
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| 01:01.59 | gravity | angler-: And also for the other misc fonts path |
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| 01:02.18 | Thanatermesis | yes dafresh ? |
| 01:03.02 | angler- | gravity, nope still the same |
| 01:03.08 | elliptic | angler-: grep EE grep '/var/log/Xorg.0.lo or /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:03.22 | gravity | hrm |
| 01:03.40 | gravity | I wish I could reproduce that error here. I could at least investigate it then |
| 01:03.50 | angler- | elliptic, "(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 01:03.50 | angler- | " |
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| 01:05.43 | PDani | hi |
| 01:06.01 | elliptic | angler-: it's not grep EE grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log it is grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you have Xorg of course |
| 01:06.10 | PDani | which is the easiest way to get ntfs write-support on debian? |
| 01:06.27 | PDani | (i mean, full write support, not that limited one in the kernel) |
| 01:06.45 | elliptic | PDani: not writing on ntfs is the good way |
| 01:07.07 | sanxiyn | PDani: None. |
| 01:07.14 | Knorrie | Coag\\laptop: 16MB isn't much... i have some debian woody firewall on a 486 with 16MB running but i t ' s s o o o s l o w w w h e n y o u r u n apt-get update :) |
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| 01:07.27 | angler- | elliptic, what? I grep'd for "EE" from /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:07.40 | PDani | i heard about some wine-related solution, which uses the native windows driver |
| 01:07.45 | sanxiyn | !captive |
| 01:07.45 | dpkg | hmm... captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 01:07.48 | PDani | what's its name? |
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| 01:07.55 | elliptic | angler-: and no indication ? |
| 01:07.56 | sanxiyn | Hm, perhaps I should do what that factoid suggests. |
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| 01:08.10 | sanxiyn | PDani: You were told. |
| 01:08.16 | angler- | elliptic, "(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown." |
| 01:08.25 | gravity | There's no logged error |
| 01:08.38 | PDani | sanxiyn, ? |
| 01:08.45 | PDani | oh |
| 01:08.46 | PDani | thx |
| 01:08.46 | PDani | :) |
| 01:08.47 | elliptic | angler-: no idea so ... |
| 01:08.56 | angler- | elliptic, ok |
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| 01:09.16 | gravity | Well, I've got a patch in the server that I can remove on the next upload. *Hopefully* it'll fix that bug |
| 01:09.24 | gravity | angler-: If you want to build the server yourself without that patch, you can try that |
| 01:09.32 | gravity | angler-: I can tell you how to do that if you want |
| 01:09.41 | gravity | angler-: At least then I'd know that I should back it out |
| 01:09.45 | angler- | gravity, rebuild what? |
| 01:09.50 | gravity | angler-: The X server |
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| 01:09.56 | saDist | i need help installing linux |
| 01:09.59 | saDist | on my old ocmputer |
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| 01:10.15 | angler- | gravity, does the patch u have fix it? |
| 01:10.21 | gravity | angler-: Maybe |
| 01:10.23 | saDist | it installs everything but screws up when try to install the x server |
| 01:10.24 | gravity | angler-: That's what you'd be testing |
| 01:10.39 | nefertum | hi, i'm using debian SID, and now, if I make dist-upgrade, apt removes xserver-common and install many other packages from xorg, drivers and others... |
| 01:10.48 | nefertum | is this normal? and i can do it? |
| 01:10.51 | gravity | nefertum: Yes |
| 01:10.53 | nefertum | or it will break my system... |
| 01:10.57 | nefertum | ah, ok gravity |
| 01:11.01 | nefertum | thanks :) |
| 01:11.02 | gravity | nefertum: Read /topic |
| 01:11.09 | nefertum | yeah, xorg 7.0 ? |
| 01:11.12 | gravity | Yes |
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| 01:11.17 | saDist | can any body help me with my debian linux install? |
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| 01:11.22 | dvs | gravity: how would you know? ;-) |
| 01:11.22 | gravity | It may break your system, but the bugs are being worked out |
| 01:11.27 | nefertum | well, i didnt know if it'd be because xorg 7.0 |
| 01:11.32 | gravity | nefertum: It is |
| 01:11.37 | gravity | The packaging is radically different |
| 01:11.48 | nefertum | mmm, ok |
| 01:11.50 | nefertum | thanks again |
| 01:11.51 | nefertum | :) |
| 01:11.59 | gravity | angler-: Talk in here pleaes |
| 01:12.06 | gravity | angler-: Or, if you'd prefer, come in to #debian-x |
| 01:12.30 | chealer | saDist: that depends on your problem |
| 01:12.41 | saDist | hello can anyone help |
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| 01:12.47 | saDist | how? |
| 01:13.14 | chealer | saDist: how could anyone help if they don't know your problem? |
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| 01:13.32 | saDist | i installed linux in my old computer celeron 466 voodoo 3000 |
| 01:13.49 | saDist | 20 gb quantum fireball kx2.0 hard disk |
| 01:14.04 | sanxiyn | saDist: And what problem did you experience? |
| 01:14.17 | saDist | everything install fines but the graphics won't load up |
| 01:14.22 | saDist | xfree86 |
| 01:14.40 | sanxiyn | saDist: Do you have X installed? |
| 01:14.44 | saDist | yeah |
| 01:14.46 | gravity | saDist: What sort of errors do you see in /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
| 01:15.02 | saDist | so i erased it and try freebsd |
| 01:15.10 | gravity | ugh |
| 01:15.10 | sanxiyn | Heh. |
| 01:15.13 | saDist | that install fines too but gui won't work |
| 01:15.29 | gravity | saDist: Dude... if you have freebsd questions don't ask them in the Debian channel |
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| 01:15.44 | saDist | i trying to decide shold i go with freebsd or linux |
| 01:16.00 | saDist | i 've both downloaded |
| 01:16.15 | sanxiyn | Well, which answer do you expect from channel named #debian? |
| 01:16.26 | gravity | Well, that's great. If you decide to do Debian, come back here and ask your questions then. We can't help you with BSD questions |
| 01:16.34 | saDist | anyhow in general does anybody know if vodoo3000 |
| 01:16.48 | saDist | is compatible with xfree86 |
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| 01:17.04 | saDist | or are my just waisting my timing trying to fix it |
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| 01:17.31 | jetscreamer | xfree86.org? |
| 01:17.37 | saDist | ? |
| 01:17.44 | saDist | yeah i was there |
| 01:17.53 | gravity | Google will tell you |
| 01:18.03 | saDist | i'm going to try installing debian again |
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| 01:18.49 | saDist | would there be any help tonight? |
| 01:19.02 | zu22 | i want to list all packages installed on my system and sort by size so i can see the biggest packages and remove them, anyway to do this from command line? |
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| 01:19.13 | saDist | i think that's when i'll finish installing and most likely get the error messages |
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| 01:19.52 | saDist | how come i' can't log on to this channel with excurision |
| 01:19.56 | zu22 | or a program that will tell me this also would be ok |
| 01:20.38 | saDist | bye now |
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| 01:21.08 | Stephen_D | hello |
| 01:21.16 | saDist | hi |
| 01:21.26 | Stephen_D | i need a byte of help installing TCL |
| 01:21.37 | saDist | sorry nebie |
| 01:21.38 | saDist | bye |
| 01:21.54 | zu22 | everyone is away it seems heh |
| 01:21.55 | kspath | Stephen_D: apt-cache search TCL |
| 01:21.55 | sanxiyn | Stephen_D: As in apt-get install tcl8.4 ? |
| 01:22.02 | EdLin | Stephen_D: what problem are you having? |
| 01:22.33 | Stephen_D | i do that |
| 01:22.40 | zu22 | i need way to list all packages installed and to show the size and sort by this so i can see biggest ones i can remove, know how to do this? |
| 01:22.47 | EdLin | Stephen_D: tcl8.4, tk8.4, and their corresponding -doc and -dev packages will get you the latest |
| 01:22.57 | Stephen_D | when i try to use eggdrop and it sdays TCL as not been installed |
| 01:23.16 | jetscreamer | zu22 maybe you want xdiskusage |
| 01:23.21 | zu22 | i tried "dpkg -l" but it dont show size |
| 01:23.29 | zu22 | jetscreamer: ok i will try that package thanks |
| 01:23.35 | Stephen_D | and i did to apt-get install tcl8.4 |
| 01:23.37 | stoned | Stephen_D, dependencies will be automatically installed, apt-get install eggdrop |
| 01:23.46 | wut | hows the debian amd64 port look? |
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| 01:24.23 | kspath | Stephen_D: apt-cache pkgnames tcl |
| 01:24.46 | kspath | Stephen_D: apt-cache pkgnames tk |
| 01:25.06 | stoned | or you can just install eggdrop and have the depends auto installed |
| 01:25.18 | stoned | kspath, apt-cache what? |
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| 01:25.26 | wut | is the amd64 port stable? |
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| 01:25.29 | stoned | search, show? say the whole thing to the dude, |
| 01:25.31 | EdLin | wut: how does it look? Very intellectual, it uses words twice as big |
| 01:25.36 | Stephen_D | this is driving me nurts |
| 01:25.41 | Stephen_D | nuts* |
| 01:25.44 | kspath | Stephen_D: apt-cache pkgnames sillynuts |
| 01:25.49 | zu22 | the -dev version of a package is needed if you plan on compiling something that will require those libs/includes eh? |
| 01:25.53 | Stephen_D | -.- |
| 01:26.02 | wut | EdLin, do you know of an amd64 specific port channel? |
| 01:26.11 | EdLin | zu22: yes. |
| 01:26.24 | EdLin | #debian-amd64? |
| 01:26.35 | wut | ok |
| 01:26.37 | wut | thanks |
| 01:26.40 | stoned | kspath, apt-cache function pkgname - apt-cache show eggdrop - apt-cache search eggdrop |
| 01:26.43 | kspath | !tell wut about amd64 |
| 01:26.46 | zu22 | edlin: ok |
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| 01:27.12 | stoned | etc. |
| 01:27.17 | kspath | stoned: i do not condone eggdroop |
| 01:27.32 | stoned | kspath, besides the point, you're giving him the wrong syntax for apt-cache |
| 01:27.44 | kspath | stoned: How? |
| 01:27.50 | stoned | apt-cache pkgnames sillynuts |
| 01:28.09 | kspath | stoned: And? |
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| 01:28.13 | stoned | <kspath> Stephen_D: apt-cache pkgnames tcl |
| 01:28.13 | stoned | <kspath> Stephen_D: apt-cache pkgnames tk |
| 01:28.14 | tyler | giftd: share_db.c:331: rec_rdfinish: Assertion `rec->offs == rec->len' failed. |
| 01:28.19 | stoned | type those two commands |
| 01:28.20 | jbrimble_away | Hey, where can I set up my printer in debian? |
| 01:28.23 | stoned | see if you get anything |
| 01:28.23 | jbrimble_away | (Network printer) |
| 01:28.24 | kspath | stoned: And? |
| 01:28.33 | tyler | if i got this problem, how can i rectify this? |
| 01:28.40 | Stephen_D | i REALLY needs help installing TCL! |
| 01:28.40 | dli | jbrimble_away: apt-get install cupsys |
| 01:28.46 | sanxiyn | kspath: Do not "help" with wrong commands. |
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| 01:28.48 | jbrimble_away | thanks |
| 01:28.49 | stoned | kspath, man apt-cache |
| 01:28.52 | dli | jbrimble_away: and read CUPS howto |
| 01:29.12 | kspath | stoned: And? |
| 01:29.20 | EdLin | !tell jbrimble_away -about cups setup |
| 01:29.21 | jbrimble_away | will do |
| 01:29.23 | dli | !tell jbrimble_away about cups |
| 01:29.38 | stoned | !tard kspath |
| 01:29.41 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:30.00 | Stephen_D | HELP PPLLLLLLLEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!1 SOMEOONE |
| 01:30.06 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 01:30.11 | stoned | Stephen_D, there is no need for that |
| 01:30.15 | gravity | Stephen_D: That's... really the wrong way to get help |
| 01:30.16 | sanxiyn | Stephen_D: How did you install eggdrop |
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| 01:30.36 | trc | hi guys |
| 01:30.47 | zu22 | lol |
| 01:30.47 | zu22 | !lart Stephen_D |
| 01:31.01 | Stephen_D | lart? |
| 01:31.18 | stoned | Stephen_D, apt-get install eggdrop && dpkg -L eggdrop|grep doc and then read them |
| 01:31.19 | gravity | !lart |
| 01:31.32 | gravity | !+lart |
| 01:31.32 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.32 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.33 | dpkg | Example: lart lenzo infobot's bugginess |
| 01:31.33 | dpkg | Example: lart #perl everyone perl \=\= lamerville |
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| 01:31.45 | gravity | heh, oops |
| 01:31.57 | stoned | Stephen_D, you can also just install tcl and tk packages and then compile eggdrop yourself |
| 01:31.58 | thingfish | heheh |
| 01:31.58 | sanxiyn | heh |
| 01:32.10 | chealer | wow, that's the first time I see that happen |
| 01:32.13 | stoned | Stephen_D, if you don't know how to use these commands in debian, then type /msg dpkg grounding |
| 01:32.13 | chealer | !win gravity |
| 01:32.20 | sanxiyn | chealer: ... |
| 01:32.22 | Stephen_D | i do know |
| 01:32.26 | gravity | That's my job... pushing this channel to new heights |
| 01:32.27 | chealer | dondelelcaro: gravity beat you |
| 01:32.28 | zu22 | ironic :P |
| 01:32.33 | Stephen_D | to compile it i need TCL |
| 01:32.43 | sanxiyn | Stephen_D: Aha. So install -dev package. |
| 01:32.44 | zu22 | !karma gravity |
| 01:32.57 | Stephen_D | i just realized that! |
| 01:32.59 | stoned | Stephen_D, so do apt-cache search tcl8 |
| 01:33.03 | Stephen_D | ls |
| 01:33.04 | zu22 | haha |
| 01:33.08 | chealer | haha, I didn't realize dpkg wouldn't react due to gravity |
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| 01:33.30 | chealer | gravity: you really own. you deserve life-long US presidency |
| 01:33.34 | stoned | Stephen_D, you need to apt-get install tcl8.4-dev |
| 01:33.48 | EdLin | Stephen_D: if you are so clueless you have no business running a bot |
| 01:34.00 | zu22 | chealer: or life-long Iraq presidency :) |
| 01:34.02 | Stephen_D | ii forgot the dev pack |
| 01:34.04 | Kamoricks | Hello. A certian app (atitd3) needs libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3... How would I get it? |
| 01:34.10 | Stephen_D | its itcl8-dev i belive |
| 01:34.22 | stoned | I just told you the package name |
| 01:34.23 | jbrimble_away | i just installed cups, but its asking me for a password through the localhost:631 when I try to add a printer -??? |
| 01:34.32 | chealer | zu22: I'm not sure that's possible :) |
| 01:34.34 | Stephen_D | i just downloaded it |
| 01:34.36 | Stephen_D | i found it |
| 01:34.36 | stoned | Stephen_D, are you even paying attention when people are helping you |
| 01:34.37 | Kamoricks | jbrimble_away: So give it your password... |
| 01:34.43 | zu22 | chealer: heh |
| 01:34.44 | Stephen_D | im compiling now to see |
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| 01:35.32 | Stephen_D | GOT IT!!!!! |
| 01:35.35 | Stephen_D | THANK YOU ALL |
| 01:35.39 | sanxiyn | ... |
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| 01:35.58 | stoned | in the words of Red Foreman, "Dumb Ass!" |
| 01:36.05 | dvs | stoned: ha! |
| 01:36.06 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 01:36.18 | stoned | ahh |
| 01:36.18 | EdLin | oops, no dpkg :) |
| 01:36.19 | Kamoricks | So... anyone got something like the reverse lookup of apt-file handy? Looking for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 on unstable, don't seem to have it, and backports.org wants a package name. |
| 01:36.20 | stoned | faggy innit |
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| 01:36.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o LoRez] by Rez |
| 01:36.30 | *** mode/#debian [+o Rez] by Rez |
| 01:36.31 | stoned | he went to africa or some such shiz |
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| 01:36.40 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of rez) |
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| 01:36.44 | stoned | heh |
| 01:36.46 | dvs | stoned: well, he came back |
| 01:36.57 | chealer | Kamoricks: packages.d.o ? |
| 01:37.00 | stoned | yeh, I don't have cable, I am poor |
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| 01:37.06 | EdLin | thanks Rez |
| 01:37.09 | sanxiyn | chealer: I think this is case of "redhat crap" or "new redhat crap". |
| 01:37.09 | Rez | np. |
| 01:37.14 | sanxiyn | chealer: no dpkg here ugh. |
| 01:37.35 | Kamoricks | New is better. |
| 01:37.40 | Rez | sanxiyn: no? |
| 01:37.42 | EdLin | sanxiyn: dpkg is back |
| 01:37.42 | stoned | old is gold |
| 01:37.49 | dvs | Kamoricks: Yeah, why don't you install Vista right now? |
| 01:37.53 | sanxiyn | !redhat crap |
| 01:37.53 | dpkg | well, redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 01:37.54 | chealer | sanxiyn: I don't know much about libc |
| 01:37.56 | Kamoricks | chealer: Firefox can't find the server at packages.do. |
| 01:38.00 | sanxiyn | chealer: This is libstdc++. |
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| 01:38.07 | Kamoricks | dvs: Because the linux kernel is "newer |
| 01:38.15 | Kamoricks | " still. Has been since... dos. |
| 01:38.43 | sanxiyn | Kamoricks: Get it from woody as told. |
| 01:38.45 | stoned | sanxiyn, I saw vista at my friends house, he is an MS dev. it requires too much HW, it I think sucks |
| 01:38.48 | zu22 | trying to install xdiskusage and i see this bug report: #322232 - xdiskusage: uninstallable in sid (depends on libfltk1.1c102 (>= 1.1.6) which is UNAVAILABLE). How do I find out if/when this will be avaialble in sid? |
| 01:39.02 | chealer | Kamoricks: ... packages.debian.org |
| 01:39.08 | Kamoricks | Thank you. |
| 01:39.40 | sanxiyn | zu22: By reading the bug report, I guess. |
| 01:39.48 | zu22 | should i email the package maintainer for libfltkl and ask him? |
| 01:40.01 | zu22 | sanxiyn: ok |
| 01:40.09 | sanxiyn | zu22: Hm, there's nothing informative there. |
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| 01:40.19 | EdLin | zu22: reportbug |
| 01:40.30 | sanxiyn | zu22: This looks suspicious. |
| 01:40.36 | zu22 | edlin: ok i will file a bug report |
| 01:41.05 | Kamoricks | Thank you... seems to find it. |
| 01:41.06 | sanxiyn | zu22: Bah this is fallout from C++ transition. |
| 01:41.18 | zu22 | sanxiyn: i never filed a bug report before, maybe u can do it |
| 01:41.19 | sanxiyn | zu22: libfltk1.1 was once renamed to libfltk1.1c102, and then *renamed back* to libfltk1.1. |
| 01:41.36 | zu22 | sanxyin: oh, so anyway i can get this working or i must wait for package maintainer(s) to fix it? |
| 01:41.38 | EdLin | zu22: no, actually what you need to do is go to bugs.debian.org and check to see if it's resolved |
| 01:41.38 | sanxiyn | zu22: The solution is for the maintainer to rebuild xdiskusage and it should be okay. Ba. |
| 01:41.56 | zu22 | edlin: ok |
| 01:42.09 | sanxiyn | Ah sorry. It's actually fixed. |
| 01:42.10 | sanxiyn | :( |
| 01:42.19 | zu22 | sanxiyn: if it's fixed why i am getting this error? |
| 01:42.21 | dvs | sander: isn't that good? |
| 01:42.29 | sanxiyn | zu22: Because apt-listbugs is not smart enough. |
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| 01:43.18 | zu22 | sanxiyn: oh :) apt-listbugs is really useful but i guess in this case it's not up to date, is there analog to updatedb for apt-listbugs? :D |
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| 01:44.23 | clarity_ | how do I install the kernel source from the cd? |
| 01:44.32 | Kamoricks | Full speed ahead! Wootzors, thanks, I can now play my fave game. (Btw, open beta~!) |
| 01:44.33 | dvs | clarity_: apt-get install? |
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| 01:45.02 | sanxiyn | Kamoricks: Nice to hear that. |
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| 01:45.44 | kspath | stoned: Your apt-cache does not support pkgnames ? |
| 01:45.49 | k-god | Not that I'm looking for same, just came up in context. |
| 01:46.01 | k-god | kspath: Thats' a somewhat limiting feature.... |
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| 01:46.59 | kspath | k-god: I am just trying to find out if stoned apt-cache does not support pkgnames. Thank you though. |
| 01:47.00 | OhMyGod | hello?My Debian is using DHCP ,How to Config it to let me set the IP myself? |
| 01:47.16 | shogunx | OhMyGod edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:47.29 | liable | i think my thinkpad mobo is dying :( |
| 01:47.33 | zu22 | do most of you guys use BASH? i've used to use TCSH when i used Slowaris but switched to BASH when i started running Linux |
| 01:47.34 | shogunx | OhMyGod man interfaces for more info. |
| 01:47.41 | k-god | OhMyGod: man interfaces |
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| 01:47.54 | quitte | !find sigc++config.h |
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| 01:48.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sigc++config.h' returned no results. |
| 01:48.12 | sanxiyn | quitte: It's apparently created by ./configure on libsigc++2 which failed. |
| 01:48.12 | dli | peppo: apt-get install libtool |
| 01:48.16 | peppo | quitte, that's not the problem. the issues arises because it fails to create the configure. |
| 01:48.21 | nomin | what do I need to install in order to run the x window system on debian? I am trying debian for the first time and just installed gnome, but I can't get the x window system to start. |
| 01:48.32 | dli | peppo: sorry, it's, " apt-get install intltool " |
| 01:48.34 | quitte | ok |
| 01:48.58 | shogunx | nomin try apt-get install x-window-system and x-window-system-core |
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| 01:49.11 | quitte | peppo: tried a older compiler? |
| 01:49.11 | sanxiyn | s/and/or/ |
| 01:49.16 | peppo | dli, same thing. |
| 01:49.21 | revslowmo | Can you apt-get install a old kernel like 2.6.8 |
| 01:49.25 | peppo | quitte, nope. |
| 01:49.32 | peppo | reminder of how to change the alternative for compiler? |
| 01:49.33 | quitte | ah nevermind. i bet dli knows better |
| 01:49.38 | dli | peppo: paste the .configure output again |
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| 01:49.55 | peppo | dli, .configure? where? |
| 01:50.02 | quitte | peppo: is it sarge or etch? |
| 01:50.06 | peppo | unstable. |
| 01:50.15 | peppo | it's scons for the "root" |
| 01:50.20 | peppo | configure is used in some parts |
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| 01:50.46 | peppo | dli, rerun it with intltool installed? |
| 01:50.47 | peppo | and post? |
| 01:50.48 | quitte | peppo: then CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=3.4 might help. of course you need to have those installed |
| 01:50.48 | zu22 | i have 1,248 packages installed, is that normal? |
| 01:51.02 | sanxiyn | quitte: From what I can see, this is not compiler problem. |
| 01:51.19 | sanxiyn | zu22: I have 1537... |
| 01:51.56 | quitte | sanxiyn: you are probably right. i usually just try all the possibilities that i ran into before until it works |
| 01:51.56 | nomin | shogunx, I just did x-window-system-core and now I'm getting somewhere. I'll see if this does the trick. Thanks. |
| 01:52.11 | zu22 | sanxiyn: wow |
| 01:52.12 | shogunx | nomin no worries. |
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| 01:52.45 | peppo | dli, same error now. |
| 01:52.55 | zu22 | i am trying to find the full package name of something so i can remove it but 'dpkg -l' just shows some then truncats the package name , how can i make it show the full package name? |
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| 01:53.03 | dli | peppo: pastebin the output of ./configure |
| 01:53.10 | revslowmo | Can you apt-get install a old kernel like 2.6.8? |
| 01:53.18 | peppo | dli, ./configure in libs/sigc++2? |
| 01:53.36 | sanxiyn | zu22: Ah, that sucks. Try COLUMNS=200 (any big number) dpkg -l |
| 01:53.39 | peppo | dli, http://pastebin.com/725837 |
| 01:53.39 | dvs | !prize gravity |
| 01:53.42 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:53.47 | gravity | YAY! |
| 01:53.57 | zu22 | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 01:54.04 | zu22 | lol |
| 01:54.05 | gravity | Now what I want is for the pony to test this upload I make so I can be totally confident in it |
| 01:54.08 | shogunx | OMG! Ponies! |
| 01:54.08 | peppo | dli, it uses scons for the main configuring |
| 01:54.34 | zu22 | sell the pony and buy a new Lenovo Thinkpad :P |
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| 01:54.44 | dli | peppo: whatever, you try it again, maybe with fresh source |
| 01:54.52 | peppo | dli, I did. |
| 01:54.53 | m0dY | how can i exclude some packages from apt-get to make it not updated or upgraded ? |
| 01:54.54 | peppo | same error. |
| 01:55.02 | OhMyGods | What script I can modify to set my ip address, please? |
| 01:55.12 | peppo | I removed the source tree, and reextracted the tarball |
| 01:55.17 | sanxiyn | peppo: You tried again with intltool installed? |
| 01:55.22 | shogunx | OhMyGods /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:55.23 | peppo | yup. |
| 01:55.51 | sanxiyn | Ugh this looks wrong. |
| 01:56.00 | m0dY | how can i exclude some packages from apt-get to make it not updated or upgraded ? |
| 01:56.02 | OhMyGods | shogunx How to modify it? I'm using DHCP. |
| 01:56.04 | dli | peppo: pastebin the output |
| 01:56.23 | shogunx | OhMyGods with a text editor like nano, vi, or emacs. |
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| 01:56.46 | sanxiyn | m0dY: Hold it... Eh. |
| 01:56.55 | m0dY | ... |
| 01:57.03 | OhMyGods | shogunx Yes, I know. I mean is the script. |
| 01:57.10 | OhMyGods | thank you shogunx |
| 01:57.19 | zu22 | is there any reason to keep libc5? i have libc6, i noticed libc5 was installed so i 'dpkg --purge"'d it, i also had to remove 'termcap-compat' since it depended on libc5 |
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| 01:57.34 | sanxiyn | zu22: No reaso to keep it. |
| 01:57.38 | peppo | dli, still the same error: http://pastebin.com/725840 |
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| 01:57.57 | zu22 | sanxiyn: ok, and termcap-compat that is gone now too, should i reinstall that? |
| 01:58.07 | sanxiyn | zu22: I don't think so. |
| 01:58.10 | zu22 | ok |
| 01:58.18 | OhMyGods | shogunx I have copied script from another debian,but It don't work. |
| 01:58.33 | shogunx | OhMyGods see http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/interfaces for an example |
| 01:58.34 | main_ | I compiled my own vanilla 2.6.16 kernel. But how do I get ALSA modules for it? |
| 01:58.49 | liable | main_: they are in the kernel.. |
| 01:58.51 | main_ | The alsa-driver from apt won't work |
| 01:58.57 | sanxiyn | peppo: Hm, where can I download the source? |
| 01:59.03 | OhMyGods | ok |
| 01:59.06 | main_ | liable: Sound isn't working. |
| 01:59.16 | dli | peppo: it's not the same, /usr/bin/xgettext: error while opening "../version.cc" for reading |
| 01:59.16 | peppo | dli, sanxiyn, the problem seems to be with auto* tools |
| 01:59.28 | zu22 | is there any difference between 'dpkg-reconfigure' and 'apt-get remove/apt-get install' the same package or just a convenience? |
| 01:59.29 | sanxiyn | peppo: Yes... |
| 01:59.40 | gravity | http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/oozinator/the-oozinator-delights-children-170588.php |
| 01:59.54 | peppo | sanxiyn, http://ardour.org/files/releases/ardour2-cvs.tar.bz2 |
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| 02:00.11 | peppo | dli, that always happened. I don't think that affects compilation though |
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| 02:00.41 | sanxiyn | peppo: Indeed. |
| 02:00.45 | snowrichard | back from the dead sleep ) |
| 02:00.46 | tosba | is there any friend from turkiye |
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| 02:01.06 | OhMyGods | shogunx No, I cann't open that url |
| 02:01.11 | shogunx | thats savage gravity. |
| 02:01.19 | gravity | It's fucking insane |
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| 02:01.54 | shogunx | OhMyGods what error do you get? |
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| 02:02.25 | OhMyGods | shogunx I cann't link the web server. |
| 02:02.35 | zu22 | guess not |
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| 02:03.07 | shogunx | OhMyGod, are you using windows to access it? |
| 02:03.28 | OhMyGods | shogunx yes. |
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| 02:03.49 | kspath | I am surprised #debian is this quiet. |
| 02:04.03 | OhMyGods | shogunx oh! I search the interfaces by google. |
| 02:04.05 | peppo | so anyone have any shots in the dark at what I could try to get around this auto* error? |
| 02:04.22 | shogunx | OhMyGod, that would be the problem. my windows autokick got you. join #pastee17 and i will paste you a copy. |
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| 02:04.34 | dvs | kspath: we only have 758 people in it |
| 02:04.37 | dvs | 759 |
| 02:04.48 | stoned | I am pissed off |
| 02:04.58 | kspath | dvs: almost all lurking as usual |
| 02:04.59 | stoned | people are fucking morons |
| 02:05.07 | dvs | !win stoned |
| 02:05.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, stoned! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:05.07 | stoned | there is no question about it |
| 02:05.29 | stoned | people actually eat that nasty stuff |
| 02:05.31 | stoned | :/ |
| 02:05.42 | stoned | dvs, have you ever had spam? |
| 02:05.46 | dvs | nope |
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| 02:05.52 | stoned | don't try it, its horrible |
| 02:05.57 | dvs | OK |
| 02:06.28 | liable | its ok cooked with pinapple in a bun.. |
| 02:06.31 | dli | peppo: again, why debian, if you want to compile it |
| 02:06.39 | zu22 | i just installed xdiskusage (/usr/bin/xdiskusage), but when i try to run it as a normal user (ie non-root) i get "command not found" yet i did "echo $PATH" and /usr/bin is in my normal user path. |
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| 02:07.02 | bnovc | what version of wine does aptitude install ? all it gives me is a date |
| 02:07.09 | shogunx | liable sounds like something cmot dibbler in terry pratchetts discworld novels would sell. |
| 02:07.09 | peppo | dli, I follow the development of this app, make a translation etc |
| 02:07.21 | stoned | bnovc, apt-cache show pkg |
| 02:07.24 | peppo | dli, it worked fine until a week or so ago. something changed. can't identify what |
| 02:07.45 | zu22 | the /usr/bin is in the user PATH so i don't why it says 'command not found', any ideas? |
| 02:07.49 | peppo | dli, I use the stable release (hand compiled though) for productivity, and check out dev. version to debug issues. |
| 02:07.58 | dli | peppo: new version? |
| 02:08.19 | peppo | dli, new version what? |
| 02:08.27 | bnovc | stoned, the version it gives me is a date |
| 02:08.38 | sanxiyn | peppo: Hm, re-extract the tarball, and without running scons, cd to libs/sigc++2 and try ./autogen.sh |
| 02:08.41 | zu22 | if i supply the absolute path (/usr/bin/xdiskusage) it works but if i run "xdiskusage" it doesn't even though /usr/bin is in the user's PATH. what is going on? |
| 02:08.45 | sanxiyn | peppo: What error do you get? |
| 02:08.46 | dli | peppo: new version of ardour, which fails? |
| 02:08.50 | bnovc | it says -1.2 at the end, but i dont think wine is at version 1 yet |
| 02:08.56 | peppo | dli, CVS fails compilation. |
| 02:08.59 | zu22 | this doesn't make any sense |
| 02:09.00 | bnovc | i think .9.13 is latest |
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| 02:09.36 | dli | peppo: it's a not a surpise then |
| 02:09.59 | peppo | what is not a surprise? |
| 02:10.06 | peppo | sanxiyn, http://pastebin.com/725854 |
| 02:10.18 | dli | peppo: when cvs fails to buidl, it's not a surprise |
| 02:10.22 | bnovc | am i missing something here? |
| 02:10.28 | sanxiyn | dli: It is a surprise for some projects. |
| 02:10.29 | nomin | shogunx, I'm now getting an error: "Failed to initialize core devices". Any idea what that means? I went through the x configuration stuff already. |
| 02:10.30 | peppo | dli, it is a surprise. |
| 02:10.36 | TraceGreen | Hello, are there any linux antivirus tools for Windows? |
| 02:10.38 | peppo | dli, it works for one of the devs that uses debian |
| 02:10.41 | nomin | x still won't start |
| 02:10.46 | sanxiyn | peppo: Yes! We are a bit close to the culprit. |
| 02:10.48 | peppo | dli, and the main author can't understand why it's failing on debian for _me_. |
| 02:10.59 | sanxiyn | peppo: "configure.ac:64: /usr/bin/m4: ERROR: Recursion limit of 1024 exceeded, use -L<N> to change it" |
| 02:11.02 | peppo | it uses the right path of automake macros at least |
| 02:11.02 | liable | nomin: it means you prolly made an error configuring x. |
| 02:11.05 | snowrichard | nomin check your xorg config for your mouse settings |
| 02:11.06 | dli | peppo: show him the pastebin page |
| 02:11.19 | peppo | dli, we've debugged it for an hour or so... |
| 02:11.21 | sanxiyn | peppo: For some reason, m4 is recursing deep. |
| 02:11.22 | liable | TraceGreen: clamav? |
| 02:11.25 | nomin | snowrichard, it did say that the mouse was not detected |
| 02:11.27 | peppo | dli, he *hates* auto* tools |
| 02:11.33 | peppo | understandably |
| 02:11.59 | dli | peppo: find the "../version.cc " file, it's so clear |
| 02:12.04 | sanxiyn | dli: No. |
| 02:12.06 | sanxiyn | dli: That's not the problem. |
| 02:12.20 | nomin | I'm going to run xf86config and see if I can fix it |
| 02:12.31 | shogunx | nomin edit the mouse section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, per the X server you are currently using. You will likely need to change line Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" to "/dev/input/mice" for a usb mouse or "/dev/psaux" for a PS/2 mouse. |
| 02:12.31 | liable | nomin: no |
| 02:12.36 | liable | nomin: use dpkg |
| 02:12.55 | sanxiyn | peppo: The question is why autogen is failing with m4 recursion. :( |
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| 02:13.03 | bnovc | apparently you can't run a somewhat version of wine in debian |
| 02:13.16 | bnovc | if i try compiling it without using aptitude package it requires updated versions of libc6 |
| 02:13.23 | bnovc | thank god for debian being stuck 5 years ago |
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| 02:14.33 | sanxiyn | bnovc: Huh? |
| 02:14.41 | bnovc | i can't fucking install a recent version of wine |
| 02:14.51 | bnovc | and the one on apt-get wont even tell me the version |
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| 02:14.54 | nomin | I have a ps/2 mouse on it |
| 02:15.00 | bnovc | i'm so sick of debian |
| 02:15.09 | zobek | anyone knows of any free site to watch the coming World Cup soccer? |
| 02:15.09 | chealer | bnovc: please post more of your observations to your blog. such accurate comments are sure to make your blog very popular |
| 02:15.21 | dli | bnovc: noboday cares, so don't complain here |
| 02:15.38 | sanxiyn | bnovc: "wine --version" works for me? |
| 02:15.41 | zobek | bnovc: what makes u so sick of debian? |
| 02:15.41 | bnovc | no one ever seems to have any idea how to make anything work on debian besides waiting 5 years for it to become "stable" |
| 02:15.42 | sanxiyn | And displays Wine 0.9.11 |
| 02:15.47 | bnovc | zobek, the outdated packages! |
| 02:15.49 | peppo | sanxiyn, it's 04:15 here, and I really have to get to bed :/ but thanks for the help, I've reported your/our findings to the devs |
| 02:15.56 | bnovc | sanxiyn, it gives me a date |
| 02:15.57 | chealer | bnovc: please reread my last message |
| 02:16.05 | dvs | bnovc: then you definitly need to look for another distro |
| 02:16.05 | zobek | bnovc: even in 'unstable'? |
| 02:16.09 | bnovc | chealer, yes your message isn't helpful at all |
| 02:16.16 | sanxiyn | bnovc: wine --version gives me a version number and says it exited with success. |
| 02:16.25 | sanxiyn | bnovc: So clearly, it's not a generic Debian problem. |
| 02:16.31 | bnovc | zobek, i dont want to run my entire system with unstable packages to have a few of them be recent |
| 02:16.37 | chealer | bnovc: it's not intended to be helpful since you're not requesting help. |
| 02:17.03 | bnovc | chealer, yes, i was, before i mentioned my disdain of debian |
| 02:17.47 | zobek | bnovc: u can run 'stable', testing', and unstable mixed. |
| 02:18.01 | bnovc | how would i just install wine as unstable? |
| 02:18.08 | sanxiyn | bnovc: You build from the source? |
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| 02:18.18 | sanxiyn | After all that's what wine devs are recommending... |
| 02:18.19 | wut | i'm trying to install debian but when partioning i get this error "Input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc ERROR!!" |
| 02:18.24 | bnovc | sanxiyn, not originally but i tried to |
| 02:18.32 | bnovc | it wont let me since libc6 is too outdated |
| 02:18.43 | sanxiyn | Well, tough luck. |
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| 02:18.56 | bnovc | thats the answer all debian users give |
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| 02:19.03 | bnovc | 'doesnt work in debian?' 'dont use it' |
| 02:19.11 | sanxiyn | Eh, no. |
| 02:19.23 | bnovc | i have seen that response MANY times in the last month |
| 02:19.32 | zobek | wut: hdisk problem. |
| 02:19.42 | sanxiyn | Persumably, recent Wine requires some feature of recent libc, or, they've bumped libc dependency without any reason. The former is much more believable. |
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| 02:19.47 | wut | i'm trying to partition but i get this error "Input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc ERROR!!" |
| 02:20.13 | wut | nothing i can do about it then? |
| 02:20.29 | sanxiyn | And if you want to keep Sarge stable base, upgrading libc is not really an option. Too bad. |
| 02:20.34 | bnovc | sanxiyn, sure, but debian doesnt appear to let me upgrade to that version |
| 02:20.35 | zobek | wut: something is wrong with your hdisk drive. |
| 02:20.54 | bnovc | sanxiyn, how do i upgrade it without doing it to every other package? |
| 02:20.57 | sanxiyn | bnovc: I believe that problem is not specific to Debian, but common to all stable releases with "outdated" libc. |
| 02:21.17 | bnovc | wine --version pops up a window on my system |
| 02:21.22 | bnovc | fresh install from aptitude install wine |
| 02:21.25 | sanxiyn | bnovc: If Wine won't compile on older libc, it's unfortunate, but really there's nothing I can help. |
| 02:21.25 | bnovc | then says wine 20050310 |
| 02:21.25 | xyz | Hi, I have an iMac 350MHz, and I am trying to install Debian (because OS 9.0 is incredibly unstable and I can't get my computer to stay up for more than 24 hours without crashing). I'm on http://debian.planetmirror.com/debian/dists/ at the moment, trying to find the image files that allow you to install Debian off a floppy. |
| 02:21.30 | xyz | But I can't find them... does anyone know where they are? |
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| 02:21.45 | bnovc | sanxiyn, i see this much more as an inability to maintain a reasonable package system |
| 02:21.58 | sanxiyn | bnovc: You're misunderstanding. |
| 02:22.07 | bnovc | did you install your wine that reports a version from aptitude? |
| 02:22.12 | sanxiyn | bnovc: What? |
| 02:22.16 | sanxiyn | I am a Sid user :) |
| 02:22.23 | sanxiyn | (Unstable branch of Debian) |
| 02:22.27 | bnovc | what is Sid |
| 02:22.27 | bnovc | oh |
| 02:22.30 | liable | !sarge floppies |
| 02:22.31 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 02:22.34 | bnovc | i guess i'll just do that, how do i change it? |
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| 02:22.36 | liable | xyz: ^^ |
| 02:22.42 | xyz | Thank you, liable :) |
| 02:22.46 | liable | np |
| 02:22.54 | sanxiyn | bnovc: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to sid and aptitude upgrade |
| 02:23.05 | sanxiyn | Eh but you said you want to avoid that didn't you? |
| 02:23.14 | bnovc | i dont care i just want debian to work now |
| 02:23.18 | bnovc | this is unreasonable |
| 02:23.29 | bnovc | could you dump your source.list for me to a paste site, perhaps, please? |
| 02:23.29 | sanxiyn | bnovc: No it's (if I can say this) Wine's fault. |
| 02:23.37 | sanxiyn | deb ftp://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 02:23.38 | sanxiyn | deb-src ftp://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 02:23.39 | sanxiyn | That's all. |
| 02:23.40 | bnovc | i've had this with almost every package i've tried to install |
| 02:23.53 | zobek | anyone knows of any free site to watch the coming World Cup soccer? |
| 02:24.03 | sanxiyn | bnovc: That sounds like problem specific to your configuration then... |
| 02:24.15 | liable | bnovc: seriously, you are unhappy with debian, ditch it and try ubuntu or something. |
| 02:24.27 | bnovc | i think the problem is that i try to use software made in the last 2 years |
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| 02:24.38 | sanxiyn | bnovc: Eh? |
| 02:25.04 | bnovc | so now i wait a few hours for all my packages to upgrade to unstable? |
| 02:25.06 | sanxiyn | bnovc: Sarge is less than a year old! |
| 02:25.11 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 02:25.18 | zobek | liable: he is unhappy becos he can't make it work, once that is overcome, he would love debian. |
| 02:25.20 | chealer | bnovc: there's lots of software made in the future in Gentoo. go use it |
| 02:25.20 | sanxiyn | 2005-06-06 to be specific. |
| 02:25.25 | sigjuice | !319546 |
| 02:25.30 | liable | but it was also frozen before release.. |
| 02:25.31 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 319546 |
| 02:25.34 | dpkg | DONE:#319546:N[linux-image-2.6.12-1-686] isl3890 firmware upload fails when udev 0.063-1 is installed; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:03:07 UTC |
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| 02:25.49 | sigjuice | thanks |
| 02:26.24 | liable | zobek: maybe |
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| 02:28.28 | foo | http://pastebin.com/725870 - Can someone take a look at this? I plugged in a CD-ROM drive via my IDE -> USB cable ... but I want to rip a cd with grip ... how location / path do I put? Thanks! |
| 02:28.43 | bjohnson | having a bit of trouble starting a nfs server. Put in a line in /etc/exports and restarted /etc/init.d/nfs-common. Anything else I need to do? When I nmap myself I don't see a port open for nfs |
| 02:28.55 | dandesousa | Hello, I am trying to set up JRE on my debian machine, when I try to make the jre downloaded from sun.com into a deb package, I get errors about not being able to access and create files. |
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| 02:29.28 | liable | dandesousa: are you using fakeroot? |
| 02:29.32 | dandesousa | yes |
| 02:29.39 | bnovc | how did he install wine with those sources? libwine isnt on them |
| 02:29.43 | bnovc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.53 | nomin | sweet! |
| 02:30.24 | chealer | bnovc: who? |
| 02:30.29 | nomin | shogunx, you were right. I just changed the mouse part to /dev/psaux and now the x window system started. Thanks :) |
| 02:30.30 | bnovc | chealer, sanxiyn |
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| 02:30.53 | nomin | thanks guys for the help |
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| 02:31.13 | bnovc | so i assume that most of you run unstable? |
| 02:31.24 | chealer | bnovc: sanxiyn uses unstable. we definitely won't help you use unstable if you're already wining about stable |
| 02:31.27 | dandesousa | liable, do you have any more pointers? |
| 02:31.47 | bnovc | chealer, i am using the source list he provided and wine is not available on it but he said he installed it from there |
| 02:32.03 | liable | dandesousa: nope, only to paste the output so we can look at it (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 02:32.52 | chealer | bnovc: that's quite possible, but we still don't help beginners to use unstable here. use a release sane for you, and maybe someone will help you |
| 02:33.10 | bnovc | what is 'release sane' |
| 02:33.22 | chealer | bnovc: either stable or testing, in your case |
| 02:33.38 | liable | go testing |
| 02:33.40 | dandesousa | liable, the entire output? or the errors |
| 02:33.42 | Stevie | oh, be a man. install experimental |
| 02:33.51 | bnovc | well since it is impossible to run anything i want, i'll just go with unstable |
| 02:33.56 | liable | dandesousa: the errors |
| 02:33.57 | bnovc | its upgrading my other packages to unstable right now anyway |
| 02:34.21 | bnovc | what are the various levels of packages? stable -> experimental? |
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| 02:34.30 | chealer | !tell bnovc about releases |
| 02:34.32 | sigjuice | I just upgraded from kernel-image-2.6.8-11-686 to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 and my system won't boot |
| 02:34.56 | sigjuice | I get stuck at Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... |
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| 02:35.10 | Stevie | i had that happen on a laptop. i think the hd is dying |
| 02:35.20 | sigjuice | and after a while I get to the busybox root prompt. |
| 02:35.27 | bnovc | guess its too late to do testing anyway seeing how they're upgraded to unstable |
| 02:35.33 | bnovc | this should suffice though |
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| 02:35.42 | bnovc | not a production box anyway |
| 02:35.43 | dandesousa | oh crap |
| 02:35.44 | sigjuice | where I can modprobe ide-disk by hand, exit from the shell and get the system to boot |
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| 02:35.50 | sigjuice | any ideas? |
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| 02:36.45 | dandesousa | http://pastebin.ca/56997 is my error |
| 02:36.51 | dandesousa | sorry if I ended up spamming |
| 02:36.53 | dandesousa | X( |
| 02:36.55 | liable | how can you see what modules are in an initrd? |
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| 02:37.17 | Stevie | I want to shoot the guy who writes all these advertisements for hybrid SUVs claiming they're "eco friendly" |
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| 02:37.34 | foo | Can I hook up a cd-rom drive to a USB -> IDE convertor and rip cd's with grip? (please only answer if you are 100% it can be done) ... if you have done this, please let me know too |
| 02:37.36 | sigjuice | liable: on my system initrd files are compressed cpio archives |
| 02:37.55 | zinx | Stevie: mmmmm lithium and/or lead |
| 02:37.55 | liable | dandesousa: whats the command you ran? |
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| 02:38.24 | dandesousa | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 02:38.47 | dandesousa | it runs and does everything it should for a while, then comes to all those errors |
| 02:38.55 | zinx | foo: have you attempted and failed, or have you not yet tried? |
| 02:39.12 | foo | zinx: Attempted and failed several times. heh |
| 02:39.32 | zinx | foo: it's generally easier to troubleshoot the problem than to try to figure out how to make it work by ignoring the problem |
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| 02:39.39 | liable | dandesousa: no idea. sorry |
| 02:39.44 | dandesousa | =[ |
| 02:39.58 | dandesousa | anyone know an easier way to run jre? |
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| 02:40.03 | foo | zinx: http://pastebin.com/725870 - Can someone take a look at this? I plugged in a CD-ROM drive via my IDE -> USB cable ... but I want to rip a cd with grip ... how location / path do I put? |
| 02:40.05 | dandesousa | install* |
| 02:40.51 | liable | dandesousa: i dunno what the dependancy hell would be like, but its packaged in unstable now. |
| 02:40.54 | zinx | foo: /dev/sd* |
| 02:41.16 | dandesousa | well, its not mission critical |
| 02:41.26 | zinx | foo: Note that your USB interface to it may not be fast enough to transfer the audio at full speed. |
| 02:41.36 | dandesousa | can you help me out a bit with that liable? (im not very good with this)] |
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| 02:41.59 | foo | zinx: That's fine. Transfering anything at all would be nice. I've tried /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 .. no go. |
| 02:42.20 | liable | foo: is that all dmesg says about it? |
| 02:42.31 | foo | liable: yes |
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| 02:42.39 | foo | That's why I don't know if this can even be done |
| 02:43.04 | liable | it doesnt look like its given it a dev address |
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| 02:43.23 | foo | Correct |
| 02:43.38 | nomin | what is the debian distro usually used for? why do debian users choose this distro over others? |
| 02:43.53 | clarity_ | hey, is there an debian kernel source package on the cds? |
| 02:44.15 | sigjuice | I accidentally deleted my initrd file. How can I fix it? |
| 02:44.20 | chealer | clarity_: yes. all Debian packages are on the CDs |
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| 02:44.29 | Stevie | which CDs? |
| 02:44.34 | zinx | foo: it is going to be /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something, no 1 on the end |
| 02:44.50 | travisat | sigjuice: reinstall the kernel |
| 02:44.52 | chealer | sigjuice: which Linux image do you use? |
| 02:44.53 | foo | zinx: hm, should eject /dev/sdb work like /dev/hdc would on a normal IDE device? |
| 02:45.09 | zinx | foo: Depends on the IDE->USB converter you're using |
| 02:45.09 | clarity_ | chealer: could you help me install the kernel source package? |
| 02:45.16 | clarity_ | like walk me through... |
| 02:45.20 | foo | zinx: hm. ok. |
| 02:45.23 | zinx | foo: if it was designed for a hard drive... probably not. |
| 02:45.40 | sigjuice | chealer: linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
| 02:45.53 | zinx | foo: try dd dev=/dev/sda of=/tmp/foo.iso with a data CD |
| 02:46.16 | chealer | sigjuice: sorry, I think travisat's suggestion should work anyway |
| 02:46.42 | zinx | foo: i suspect the IDE->USB converter you have doesn't support the multi-media channel commands that cdparanoia uses |
| 02:46.44 | chealer | clarity_: yes. what's your favorite APT frontend? |
| 02:47.10 | sigjuice | chealer, I tried running update-initramfs and got this http://pastebin.com/725890 |
| 02:47.15 | clarity_ | I don't have X running... I actually need to get my wifi card working before I can get anything working |
| 02:47.37 | clarity_ | and in order to do that I must get the kernel source... off the cd |
| 02:48.02 | travisat | clarity_: just install the kernel-headers package that matches your kernel |
| 02:48.02 | clarity_ | I need to access the unstable feeds to install the ati mobility radeon driver.. |
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| 02:48.14 | clarity_ | yah, I got that working |
| 02:48.17 | chealer | sigjuice: so 2.6.15 is the version for which you erased the initrd? |
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| 02:48.41 | clarity_ | the madwifi driver needs kernel source to compile :-\ |
| 02:49.31 | liable | foo: dunno how much help it is for you, http://tuxmobil.org/linux_usb_cd.html |
| 02:49.37 | liable | clarity_: just headers should do |
| 02:49.39 | sigjuice | chealer, that is correct. Looks like dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 generated the initrd |
| 02:49.47 | chealer | sigjuice: yeah |
| 02:49.53 | dandesousa | :( |
| 02:49.58 | foo | liable / zinx: gl811e is the chpset I have. Trying to pull something up on google. |
| 02:50.13 | clarity_ | liable: do I set the kernelpath var to the headers? |
| 02:50.52 | liable | clarity_: what version of debian? |
| 02:51.01 | liable | clarity_: are you making from the cvs? |
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| 02:51.24 | clarity_ | it's the latest |
| 02:51.28 | dandesousa | is there a quick way to switch users while using a shell? |
| 02:51.40 | sigjuice | chealer: my system won't boot since I upgraded to 2.6.15. I get stuck at Begin: Waiting for root filesystem |
| 02:51.43 | liable | dandesousa: su foo |
| 02:51.49 | parsonsd | dandesousa, besides `su`? |
| 02:51.55 | dandesousa | yes |
| 02:51.55 | sigjuice | and then get dropped to the busybox root shell prompt |
| 02:51.55 | clarity_ | I downloaded the source of the madwifi driver from it's website and p ut it on my laptop via usb drive |
| 02:52.20 | chealer | sigjuice: oh, I don't know about that. sorry if the channel doesn't seem to know |
| 02:52.59 | vipersniper | someone needs to get dhcpd to start on bootup using eth1 so ln -s /usr/sbin/dhcpd /etc/init.d/ would work or not |
| 02:53.22 | liable | clarity_: i cant remember if madwifi needed a configured source, i would think the headers would do. read the newbie doc on the site |
| 02:53.46 | clarity_ | yah, it said it needs the source |
| 02:53.53 | clarity_ | it's built on the kernel source or something like that |
| 02:54.01 | clarity_ | the INSTALL file in the .tgz said that.. |
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| 02:54.15 | rockstar_ | What's goin' on all? |
| 02:54.44 | jerry_ | Does anyone know if/where Noatun keeps a cache of songs in a playlist? |
| 02:54.59 | chealer | jerry_: ask #debian-kde |
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| 02:55.11 | jerry_ | chealer, thanks :) |
| 02:55.15 | vipersniper | ls -s /usr/sbin/dhcpd eth1 /etc/init.d |
| 02:55.30 | rockstar_ | Hey, does anyone have suggestions for a DVD copy software and a DVD author software for amd64? |
| 02:55.35 | vipersniper | would that make dhcpd start on eth1 on boot up |
| 02:55.45 | bucky | vipersniper: man update-rc.d |
| 02:56.25 | bucky | add it to /etc/network/interfaces as auto |
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| 02:57.34 | foo | zinx / liable: http://www.genesyslogic.com/econtents/product02.asp?minicidx=2&lastcidx=3&SN=34 - this is what I have. It does CD-ROM .. .hm |
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| 03:01.04 | ootput | is anyone else receiving emails from cron with mandb-complaints? |
| 03:01.25 | ootput | I've isolated the problem to an extra 'x' in /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapinfo.1x.gz |
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| 03:01.53 | ootput | changing man1x to man1 resolves the problem |
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| 03:02.32 | clarity_ | I'm just going to download the source from kernel.org and extract it into the /usr/src/ |
| 03:02.37 | clarity_ | we'll see if that works... |
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| 03:03.21 | cr3 | how can I determine the video card on my system? is there a file under /proc which might help? |
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| 03:03.47 | rockstar_ | cr3 : lspci |
| 03:03.47 | clarity_ | cr3: try lspci |
| 03:04.00 | clarity_ | lspci is neat :-) |
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| 03:06.13 | steven_ | holy crap, debian runs wayyy faster than ubuntu! |
| 03:06.14 | bnovc | http://rafb.net/paste/results/voSXy295.html are there mirrors i should add to get those? i have the mirrors from the wine site + the unstable debian mirrors sinx provided me with |
| 03:06.29 | rockstar_ | steven_ : Welcome to Debian... |
| 03:06.35 | clarity_ | does it? I couldn't get ubuntu to work |
| 03:07.03 | steven_ | I have debian for my server, but I finally just took the time to set up debian on my laptop, I wish I had done it sooner! |
| 03:07.16 | gravity | steven_: Are you running gnome on Debian too? |
| 03:07.17 | rockstar_ | clarity_ : You got debian installed, but couldn't do ubuntu? Were you drinking when you did it? |
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| 03:07.31 | clarity_ | I got ubuntu installed |
| 03:07.35 | gravity | rockstar_: Same for me, ubuntu didn't support one of my machines |
| 03:07.41 | steven_ | both gnome, and kde. Both run much smoother. |
| 03:07.43 | Xenguy | heh |
| 03:07.49 | clarity_ | it just didn't support my cards |
| 03:07.58 | clarity_ | and well it was retarded :-) |
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| 03:08.10 | Miesco | What software should I use for a printing server? |
| 03:08.14 | steven_ | I had been using ubuntu since hoary, but I started getting data loss issues, so I decided to try debian :) |
| 03:08.15 | clarity_ | it didn't have xorgconfig or devel utils installed |
| 03:08.20 | clarity_ | so I just went to debian |
| 03:09.19 | Ugly_Duck | is there away in linux to stop "system volume" & "recyle bin" showing on partitions |
| 03:09.36 | Rower | whats the time everyone |
| 03:09.48 | ootput | Rower: go console, type date |
| 03:10.05 | Rower | ootput: wanted to know your time .. |
| 03:10.08 | steven_ | I am using the unstable, so that would be Sid? |
| 03:10.09 | clarity_ | hmm... what's the default .config for the deb build? |
| 03:10.15 | gravity | steven_: Yes |
| 03:10.18 | clarity_ | or where can I get it? Anyone know? |
| 03:10.30 | gravity | clarity_: What deb build? |
| 03:10.36 | clarity_ | newest... |
| 03:10.38 | clarity_ | 5.10 I think |
| 03:10.42 | gravity | Of... what? |
| 03:10.53 | gravity | All of Debian? |
| 03:10.54 | steven_ | 5.10 breezy badger? |
| 03:10.59 | clarity_ | hrm... |
| 03:11.02 | rockstar_ | gravity Really?! Man, ubuntu did amd64 on my system easily. |
| 03:11.03 | ootput | Rower: 03:10:42 UTC |
| 03:11.05 | clarity_ | let me check |
| 03:11.07 | Rower | ah |
| 03:11.12 | rockstar_ | debian amd64 was a bit of a chore. |
| 03:11.15 | gravity | rockstar_: They don't support old PPC's |
| 03:11.18 | clarity_ | 31r3 |
| 03:11.23 | steven_ | Yeah, I have never had a problem getting Ubuntu on any of my systems. |
| 03:11.26 | clarity_ | sorry about that... 5.10 is ubuntu |
| 03:11.29 | ootput | GMT/Zulu, even |
| 03:11.31 | gravity | clarity_: What do you want exactly? |
| 03:11.35 | gravity | clarity_: All the source in Debian? |
| 03:11.42 | rockstar_ | gravity : I could understand that. At that point, I'd want something low level anyways. |
| 03:11.48 | clarity_ | the .config for the kernel compile deb has by default |
| 03:11.56 | clarity_ | does that make sense? |
| 03:11.57 | gravity | Ah, that I don't know |
| 03:11.59 | steven_ | Be care if you dist-upgrade to 6.06 Dapper Drake, they still have data loss issues. |
| 03:12.11 | gravity | clarity_: It's probably in the kernel-source package though |
| 03:12.13 | nomin | I just installed debian 31r1. What's the name of this distro? |
| 03:12.15 | gravity | One of them |
| 03:12.21 | clarity_ | yah, I couldn't find that package |
| 03:12.24 | rockstar_ | SARGE! |
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| 03:12.26 | gravity | nomin: Debian 3.1 (codename Sarge) |
| 03:12.38 | nomin | thanks gravity |
| 03:12.45 | gravity | No problem |
| 03:12.50 | steven_ | sid! |
| 03:12.56 | steven_ | lol eh |
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| 03:13.18 | clarity_ | man... I don't want to build a kernel w/o menuconfig |
| 03:13.24 | clarity_ | that'd suck |
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| 03:14.19 | xomhau | hi all |
| 03:14.43 | deadcat | simonrvn: did you removed slim ppc deb? i need it. i got my laptop back from apple with new hd. (= |
| 03:15.16 | Phated | Heh. Bigger? |
| 03:15.31 | deadcat | actually yes (= |
| 03:15.53 | deadcat | 30gig going in. 40gig coming back. hahah. maybe they out of 30gigs |
| 03:15.56 | rockstar_ | clarity_ : I'm with you. However, I haven't been able to build my own kernel on the amd64 system, because it hangs on boot... |
| 03:16.16 | xomhau | anyone, i run server proftpd but nobody can't write... in folder incoming? that's my config http://pastebin.com/725912 |
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| 03:16.38 | Solet-deb | is there an app that will play quicktime format videos? |
| 03:16.41 | clarity_ | yah... I think I'll haveto eventually rebuild this kernel... it's a intel core duo processor |
| 03:16.57 | xomhau | my folder is: /home/ftp/incoming |
| 03:16.58 | rockstar_ | clarity_ : A new MAC? |
| 03:17.14 | clarity_ | naw, new toshiba |
| 03:17.20 | clarity_ | it's badass... it's running slow right now though |
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| 03:17.27 | clarity_ | I think it's using energy efficient mode or whatever |
| 03:17.36 | clarity_ | so it's running as 800mhz.... |
| 03:18.01 | rockstar_ | clarity_ : I saw those new laptops on Engadget. They look nice. |
| 03:18.08 | clarity_ | I'm guessing... |
| 03:18.26 | clarity_ | yah, everything is supported.. it's just being lame |
| 03:18.41 | clarity_ | the madwifi driver isn't included... |
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| 03:18.58 | clarity_ | the vid card driver isn't included and must be ported from an rpm |
| 03:19.15 | clarity_ | it's all doable it's just going to take a week for me to get it done |
| 03:19.20 | clarity_ | maybe a couple... |
| 03:19.25 | clarity_ | I'm moving to berk soon |
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| 03:25.26 | rockstar_ | clarity_ : I think any good linux setup takes a week to install. Kernel tweaks, firewalls, etc... |
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| 03:26.39 | clarity_ | yah.. this isn't a good install |
| 03:26.40 | clarity_ | :-) |
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| 03:27.28 | amdgoon | How can I get apt to tell me what mirror has a certain package? |
| 03:27.47 | cr3 | clarity_: what is the first column output by lspci, it doesn't seem to be mentioned in the manpage |
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| 03:28.49 | clarity_ | dunno |
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| 03:29.00 | clarity_ | you mean the 0000: one? |
| 03:29.18 | clarity_ | address i think |
| 03:31.01 | bztunk | clarity_: the fglrx drivers are in non-free, for your video card |
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| 03:31.27 | clarity_ | they're free just not open source |
| 03:31.29 | bztunk | clarity_: and you probably have an ipw3945 wireless chip, who has native intel drivers |
| 03:31.37 | clarity_ | nope |
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| 03:31.41 | clarity_ | I got the mad chip |
| 03:31.52 | clarity_ | I paid extra for the ath--- chip |
| 03:31.56 | bztunk | clarity_: i mean linux drivers |
| 03:32.26 | bztunk | clarity_: okay, i dont know why you did that, the 3945 is working fine for me :D |
| 03:32.30 | steven_ | I must say, I am very impressed with Debian's laptop support. |
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| 03:32.57 | wut | how do i install everything that was on the second debian 3.1r2 disk? |
| 03:33.02 | bztunk | and i know openbsd has native drivers for the atheros chipset |
| 03:33.10 | clarity_ | this one appears to have more options |
| 03:33.12 | bztunk | i dont know why it's not backported to linux yet |
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| 03:33.32 | clarity_ | madwifi works... I just need to compile it.. |
| 03:33.35 | bztunk | i guess the wireless infracture is much different in openbsd |
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| 03:34.04 | steven_ | clarity_: easier to just iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 03:34.24 | bztunk | clarity_: what options? |
| 03:34.42 | kimitaka | what's the proper way to turn off gdm from loading at boot? |
| 03:34.52 | clarity_ | it has two antenna plugs on the card and you can pplug in an external one |
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| 03:34.54 | clarity_ | kinda need |
| 03:35.28 | clarity_ | plus it's supposed to run like two separate cards or something like that |
| 03:35.30 | nomin | are there more packages available for woody than there are for sarge? |
| 03:35.37 | clarity_ | so you can get 128mbs from it.. |
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| 03:35.44 | bztunk | ah |
| 03:36.02 | bztunk | yeah there is a turbo mode, my pcmia card has that |
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| 03:36.43 | nse | nomin: no way. there is a lot more for sarge |
| 03:36.43 | clarity_ | I dunno it sounded like a better card |
| 03:37.30 | clarity_ | the thing I'm kicking myself for is getting this ati vid card |
| 03:37.41 | steven_ | are there any java 1.4 packages available? Or do you need to build them yourself. I don't want 1.5, I need 1.4 for school. |
| 03:37.54 | clarity_ | the default intel card is supported but... well sucks |
| 03:37.57 | clarity_ | it uses shared memory |
| 03:38.09 | nomin | How do I update the repositories of synaptic? |
| 03:38.19 | Kamoricks | steven_: The general accepted use is to use Sun's current or older verisons. Blackdown offers a 1.4 version as their latest, and is accepted as a substitute. |
| 03:38.29 | Kamoricks | (Accepted as in, ##java accepted.) |
| 03:38.57 | maher | [OT RANT] virgin mobile suck |
| 03:39.04 | steven_ | Kamoricks: yes, blackdown worked very well with ubuntu, do i need to add anything to repo to get it? |
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| 03:39.31 | clarity_ | sweet, I found a deb package :-) |
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| 03:39.47 | bztunk | steven_: try using java-package |
| 03:40.08 | bztunk | steven_: and im pretty sure 1.5 can do everything 1.4 did |
| 03:40.24 | roadfish | Ok, here's a puzzler. Upgraded from 2.6.11 to 2.6.15 but ... my dialup modem now gives slow start-and-stop downloading (say during a big wget operation). And most bizarrely, when CPU usage is heavy (in some other app), then downloading speeds up until downloading is saturated again. What's going on and how do I fix it? Any suggestions/ideas? |
| 03:40.35 | steven_ | I attend College online, and 1.5 throws errors, only 1.4 works for some reason |
| 03:41.28 | stew | woot |
| 03:41.36 | bztunk | clarity_: i told you that the ati drivers are in non-free .. |
| 03:41.41 | bztunk | clarity_: what's the problem then? |
| 03:41.51 | litage | if i'm using iptables, is there any reason why i should keep ipchains installed? |
| 03:42.04 | bztunk | no |
| 03:42.22 | Kamoricks | steven_: I highly suggest fixing the code then, but whatever works for you. |
| 03:42.42 | wut | is there a debian post-installation guide for beginners? i just came from slackware and it's completely different |
| 03:42.45 | clarity_ | honoestly.. I think the real problem is I don't really know what I'm doing yet... I'm a newbie to debian.. |
| 03:42.55 | clarity_ | At least I'm honest though :-) |
| 03:43.23 | steven_ | Kamoricks: it is a school classroom, I use it to attend classes; didn't write the program or I would :( |
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| 03:45.05 | maher | wut: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/reference.en.html |
| 03:46.33 | bztunk | !fglrx |
| 03:46.33 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, aptitude install fglrx-driver , etc. |
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| 03:46.42 | bztunk | clarity_: ^^ |
| 03:47.10 | wut | where can i get a list of what i can apt-get install? |
| 03:47.18 | bztunk | wut: aptitude |
| 03:47.29 | maher | wut: if you know what you want try apt-get search foo |
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| 03:47.30 | bztunk | wut: and dont use apt-get |
| 03:47.37 | nomin | where are the official debian repositories at? I don't know what url's to add to synaptic. |
| 03:47.44 | maher | wut: i mean apt-cache search foo |
| 03:47.46 | stew | nomin: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 03:47.56 | stew | nomin: if you are on stable, run apt-setup |
| 03:47.57 | maher | nomin: try apt-setup |
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| 03:48.10 | nomin | i'm using 3.1 sarge |
| 03:48.25 | nomin | using debian for the first time. just installed it. |
| 03:48.33 | stew | nomin: run apt-setup then |
| 03:48.35 | steven_ | any other modules I should install to get fglrx accelerated? |
| 03:49.02 | steven_ | I have it installed, but I do not get gl acceleration yet |
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| 03:49.11 | wut | bztunk, why not use apt get? |
| 03:49.13 | steven_ | 3d accel^ |
| 03:49.26 | bztunk | steven_: fglrx-kernel-src |
| 03:49.32 | bztunk | steven_: then use module-assistant |
| 03:49.38 | stew | wut: becuase there is no way to browse available packages with apt-get, which is what you asked for |
| 03:49.38 | steven_ | sweet |
| 03:49.58 | steven_ | did the same for ndiswrapper |
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| 03:50.21 | Kinks | wut: you can use apt-cache search if you're looking for something in particular too.. |
| 03:50.22 | bztunk | wut: because it doesnt remember what dependencies were required for what |
| 03:51.06 | wut | how long would it take to apt-get xorg? |
| 03:51.09 | steven_ | thank you |
| 03:51.35 | simonrvn | days and days |
| 03:51.44 | steven_ | wut: about 30 to 40 minutes to get every installed on my 1.8 AMD sempron 3000+ from a fresh install. |
| 03:52.05 | ootput | wut: this isn't one of those compile-from-source distros |
| 03:52.14 | ootput | wut: where your question would be a valid one ;) |
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| 03:52.44 | wut | debian is incredibly confusing coming from slackware |
| 03:52.44 | steven_ | yup, as fast as you can get the packages and your computer can unpackage them and set them up! |
| 03:52.56 | nomin | ok, I just ran apt-setup. Now it's just hanging there. It says "Testing apt sources...". Than "0% [Waiting for headers]" |
| 03:53.18 | ootput | slackware SysV? or BSD? |
| 03:53.24 | ootput | i've forgotten |
| 03:53.24 | nomin | should I just keep waiting? |
| 03:53.54 | steven_ | I would ctrl + C but I am no expert ;) |
| 03:55.21 | simonrvn | isn't it sysv? |
| 03:56.12 | nomin | ok, I think I'm getting somewhere with this now |
| 03:56.31 | ootput | simonrvn: not sure, i think both slack and arch are bsd init |
| 03:57.29 | ootput | I think Slack has a compatibilty layer for SysV init scripts |
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| 03:58.08 | clarity_ | lame.. slack is selling out! |
| 03:58.09 | ootput | eh, i suppose i could google it |
| 03:58.33 | ootput | clarity_: how so? |
| 03:59.01 | clarity_ | it always used rc.d... |
| 03:59.20 | clarity_ | I don't know I'm just joking anyways... |
| 03:59.29 | nomin | thanks stew and maher, it looks like apt-setup is what I needed to do. |
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| 04:02.49 | acad | what do i need installed on the server so that i can do ssh -X (forward x) |
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| 04:06.26 | maher | acad: you need x forwarding turned on in sshd_config |
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| 04:08.19 | hejux | ls |
| 04:08.21 | hejux | hi |
| 04:08.21 | sanmarcos | how can I purge the files of an already removed package?ç |
| 04:08.42 | unfo | sanmarcos, IIRC type: dpkg --purge packagename |
| 04:08.43 | hejux | how to move to another opened channel in irssi ? |
| 04:08.56 | unfo | hejux: go to www.irchelp.org :) |
| 04:09.07 | EdLin | hejux: control-n / control-p |
| 04:09.14 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.22 | sanmarcos | unfo: thanks |
| 04:09.26 | unfo | np |
| 04:09.27 | Supaplex | EdLin's been watching my keystrokes. ;) |
| 04:09.29 | EdLin | hejux: or esc followed by its number |
| 04:09.35 | sanmarcos | what does a | mean in dpkg? i.e |Suggests ? |
| 04:09.41 | bsims | Weee I knew there was a reason I have been putting off xorg <g> |
| 04:09.55 | unfo | bsims: > |
| 04:09.56 | unfo | ? |
| 04:10.10 | unfo | bsims: why are you saying that? |
| 04:10.28 | bsims | unfo: xorg upgrade is still not painless <g> |
| 04:10.29 | EdLin | !tell unfo about enter |
| 04:10.41 | unfo | EdLin: typos. |
| 04:11.14 | unfo | All, I'm curious: would it be possible to create a secure infrastructure so that people on IRC could help each other interactively, for operations that required root access, in a way so that other ppl on IRC could watch and make sure things typed were not malicious before each press of the Enter key? |
| 04:11.18 | EdLin | unfo: well, hopefully it won't happen again |
| 04:11.22 | unfo | Like ssh but peer-reviwed. |
| 04:11.24 | unfo | EdLin: I agree |
| 04:11.50 | bsims | unfo: It's called windows <evil grin> |
| 04:11.55 | xyz | I am downloading debian-31r2-powerpc-netinst.iso ... do I burn this file directly to a CD to instal Debian, or are there other steps I need to follow? I couldn't find anything else in the manual. |
| 04:11.56 | unfo | bsims: stop it :) |
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| 04:12.16 | unfo | xyz: you must burn it as an ISO, as the manual should say. |
| 04:12.19 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 04:12.19 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 04:12.28 | unfo | xyz: good on you for reading the manual though. |
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| 04:12.58 | unfo | bsims: i hope that's a joke? |
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| 04:13.32 | unfo | there are open-source Cobols you know, but they don't implement the IBM mainframe COBOL extensions. :( and other things are unimplemented too. |
| 04:13.44 | bsims | unfo: I really hope so but I am considering thowing the idea onto Freshmeat and naming it SPOW Steaming Piles O' Wrong |
| 04:13.48 | unfo | haha |
| 04:13.57 | EdLin | unfo: considering that there's such a thing as object-oriented COBOL... |
| 04:13.58 | bsims | unfo: I used to know COBOL/400 |
| 04:14.25 | Lodis4 | any mysql tutors in here? |
| 04:14.29 | xyz | k thanks, I will look for info on how to burn as an .iso |
| 04:14.33 | unfo | Lodis4: /join #mysql |
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| 04:14.41 | Lodis4 | lol, tks |
| 04:14.48 | unfo | xyz: if you don't find the info on google, ask us. |
| 04:14.52 | EdLin | bsims: how many jobs are in the mainframe world? I've heard there's supposed to be a growing demand as boomers retire. |
| 04:15.07 | bsims | EdLin: I dunno I herd PC's |
| 04:15.24 | EdLin | ok |
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| 04:15.44 | bsims | Though I almost bought a AS/400 off of Fleabay |
| 04:15.45 | unfo | EdLin: according to my school, which teaches COBOL, there will continue to be lots of job opportunities. |
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| 04:16.05 | unfo | bsims: you can timeshare. it's better for the environment. timeshare400.com may be one option. |
| 04:16.31 | unfo | bsims: or get someone to make you an account with QPGMR rights on theirs. :) |
| 04:16.46 | Lodis4 | I have an issue with debian and enlightenment 16 |
| 04:16.53 | unfo | !justask |
| 04:17.05 | bsims | COBOL: Grace Hooper's revenge |
| 04:17.10 | unfo | :) |
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| 04:17.39 | bsims | bah I'd want one for the same reason I want a VAX... cause it's cool |
| 04:17.50 | unfo | bsims: amigas are not cooler? |
| 04:18.02 | bsims | nah I like my Trash-80 |
| 04:18.11 | unfo | anyone saw my long question above about social ssh for untrusted users? |
| 04:18.12 | EdLin | unfo: Amigas don't have the hacker mystique of VAXen |
| 04:18.32 | unfo | EdLin: true :) though Commodores can run a scaled-down Unix clone... |
| 04:18.37 | bsims | hrm something running tops-10 |
| 04:18.38 | EdLin | unfo: what other assembly language includes an instruction for generating a CRC? |
| 04:18.46 | unfo | rofl |
| 04:18.50 | EdLin | VAX, the anti-RISC |
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| 04:19.56 | EdLin | bsims: freeshell, an alpha running on NetBSD, also offers a TOPS-20 (simulation?) login |
| 04:20.25 | unfo | wasn't there an ITS emulation you could telnet into at its.svensson.org or somewhere? |
| 04:20.44 | EdLin | in your heart of hearts, you know you love TECO |
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| 04:20.57 | unfo | i prefer ed(1), thanks. |
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| 04:21.09 | unfo | it's the standard. :P |
| 04:21.11 | EdLin | ed(1), the standard editor! |
| 04:21.11 | bsims | VI you heathens |
| 04:21.17 | unfo | emacs! |
| 04:21.31 | EdLin | bsims: heathens? isn't vi/vi/vi the number of the beast? |
| 04:21.35 | unfo | plus the vi emulation package of course. |
| 04:21.38 | bsims | !start editorwar |
| 04:21.48 | unfo | the bot is slow today. |
| 04:21.54 | bsims | yeah |
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| 04:22.18 | bsims | well actually 51000 vim |
| 04:22.20 | EdLin | it was kicked by debhelper for flooding and was brought back on. |
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| 04:22.39 | unfo | bsims: 51000? |
| 04:22.41 | EdLin | dpkg: test |
| 04:22.41 | dpkg | Yes, edlin, you're still online. |
| 04:22.43 | unfo | whats that? |
| 04:22.44 | sortadi | hi there |
| 04:22.47 | ferris_ | anyone using firestarter? |
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| 04:22.52 | sortadi | i have a 5 in 1 Texas Instruments card reader which debian etch doesn't seem to manage at all |
| 04:22.58 | sortadi | any ideas? |
| 04:23.01 | EdLin | !start an editor war |
| 04:23.01 | dpkg | nano sucks |
| 04:23.02 | bsims | v= 5 i=1 m=1000 |
| 04:23.05 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 04:23.05 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 04:23.28 | bsims | sad part is I can think of several things to do with that |
| 04:23.42 | teledyn | hi, i'm seeing this weird error when upgrading with dpkg or apt: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:23.42 | teledyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.50 | unfo | teledyn: try pasting again. remember, there's a 4-line/320?-character limit. |
| 04:25.12 | teledyn | unfo: you see the output. there are blanks where you'd expect package names |
| 04:25.14 | whong | hello, sombody please explain why same xserver-xfree86 freezes after kernel upgrade? |
| 04:25.40 | teledyn | next line of output is: installation script returned error exit status 100. |
| 04:25.41 | unfo | teledyn: oh. odd. what changed recently on your computer? |
| 04:25.50 | EdLin | whong: running proprietary drivers? |
| 04:25.58 | unfo | whong: debian stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 04:26.00 | DarkPadden | crap just shutdown a remote computer gerrr |
| 04:26.09 | teledyn | unfo: just ran an apt-get update/upgrade. don't remember which specific package it was. there were maybe 20-30 that got upgraded |
| 04:26.36 | unfo | teledyn: if it were me i would strace it first to see if it gave any clue. |
| 04:27.02 | teledyn | ah crap! the name of the package is "and" = "auto nice daemon" |
| 04:27.08 | unfo | haha :) oh. |
| 04:27.14 | teledyn | what a trip |
| 04:27.41 | unfo | yeah, that's not a perfect name for a package. autoniced would be better. |
| 04:27.42 | teledyn | okay i can deal with it now. thanks |
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| 04:28.07 | teledyn | agreed |
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| 04:29.53 | whong | unfo, I'm using debian stable(sarge). After upgrading kernel X freezes. strange |
| 04:30.42 | unfo | whong: video card model? |
| 04:31.05 | whong | unfo, I'm using ATI RADEON 7200 |
| 04:31.32 | sortadi | well well |
| 04:31.38 | sortadi | there you have unfo |
| 04:31.48 | sortadi | are you still running on xfree86? |
| 04:31.59 | sortadi | @ whong |
| 04:32.00 | ravenbird | ng is probably no good |
| 04:32.12 | whong | sortadi, yes. |
| 04:32.21 | Supaplex | no matter how I try to boot from scsi, the system hangs before I get any indication of a boot loader or boot activity. numlock won't toggle either. I've tried multiple drives, and I know this box use to work with winblowz 2k3. so what gives? |
| 04:32.24 | sortadi | whong: try a dist-upgrade to etch |
| 04:32.39 | sortadi | and then getting the propietary ATI drivers for linux |
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| 04:32.51 | unfo | whong: what X driver are you using? |
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| 04:33.14 | whong | unfo, I'm using just vesa |
| 04:33.48 | whong | sortadi, thank you for your suggestion but I don't want to risk that :) |
| 04:33.55 | sortadi | whong: i suggest you use etch |
| 04:34.03 | sortadi | whong: there's no risk at all |
| 04:34.12 | sortadi | whong: i am using it at the moment in my laptop |
| 04:34.22 | sortadi | whong: which has sort of modern technology |
| 04:34.25 | whong | sortadi, hmm... you think everything will be okay? |
| 04:34.31 | sortadi | whong: and it has suit me quite fine |
| 04:34.42 | sortadi | whong: yeah etch features xorg |
| 04:34.52 | unfo | whong: try the 'ati' driver that comes with x maybe? |
| 04:34.52 | sortadi | which is a better xserver in my opinion |
| 04:35.09 | sortadi | unfo: xfree86 comes with ati drivers? |
| 04:35.18 | sortadi | i don't think so |
| 04:35.25 | whong | unfo, I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 several times but... |
| 04:35.27 | sortadi | ati drivers are said to be propietary still |
| 04:35.46 | EdLin | sortadi: you don't know what you're talking about |
| 04:35.50 | whong | sortadi, it comes with ati driver |
| 04:36.01 | unfo | "Select the desired X server driver. apm / ark / ati / chips / cirrus / ..." |
| 04:36.04 | EdLin | whong: have you manually changed your XF86Config-4 ? |
| 04:36.17 | whong | EdLin, No.. |
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| 04:36.38 | EdLin | whong: if ati isn't working try raedon |
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| 04:36.53 | unfo | whong: yes, try radeon, if it doesn't work, try ati. |
| 04:37.02 | unfo | or vice versa. |
| 04:37.10 | whong | Hmm... okay I'll try it. |
| 04:37.35 | whong | but my question is my machine works fine with 2.4.27 kernel |
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| 04:38.03 | whong | the problem is if I try to use 2.6 kernel x doesn't start |
| 04:38.04 | EdLin | whong: 3D support of old ATI cards is not affected by what kernel you're running much |
| 04:38.31 | EdLin | whong: at least, they *shouldn't*. |
| 04:38.40 | EdLin | whong: have you filed a bug report? |
| 04:38.51 | whong | EdLin, That's my question. Why x server freezes if I choose different kernel? |
| 04:39.18 | whong | EdLin, No I don't know how to but I want to do that |
| 04:39.37 | EdLin | whong: apt-get install reportbug |
| 04:39.45 | EdLin | !bts |
| 04:39.45 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 04:39.50 | whong | EdLin, All right :) |
| 04:40.29 | sortadi | testing is the festing! :D |
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| 04:40.51 | EdLin | sortadi: testing can get pretty messed up sometimes |
| 04:40.53 | sortadi | god i love testing |
| 04:41.02 | sortadi | EdLin: it hasn't been my case at all |
| 04:41.05 | whong | I'm know using my machine with 2.4.27 kernel with x-server. Everything is fine and I like it. But one thing I don't like is when I boot up with 2.6 kernel I can't use x |
| 04:41.09 | sortadi | EdLin: for example? |
| 04:41.34 | narg | can you limit a process to a certain % of the cpu? |
| 04:41.46 | sortadi | narg: yes |
| 04:41.53 | EdLin | sortadi: usually package database inconsistancy |
| 04:41.53 | sortadi | narg: aptitude install cpudyn |
| 04:42.22 | sortadi | EdLin: that's too much of a broad categorization of a problem |
| 04:42.30 | whong | EdLin, So you think I should do the bug report and wait until somebody fix it? Is this the best way? |
| 04:42.37 | EdLin | sortadi: occasionally it is worse though, there was even at one point more serious bugs in testing than sid. |
| 04:42.54 | EdLin | whong: you'll find out if anyone else has the bug, and possibly its solution. |
| 04:43.02 | whong | EdLin, Frankly that's not too bad because I have no problem at all right now. |
| 04:43.22 | EdLin | whong: you shouldn't count on that. |
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| 04:43.26 | jerware | fellaz |
| 04:43.27 | whong | EdLin, all right :) Thank you so much for your help today. |
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| 04:43.51 | sortadi | EdLin: is your last name by any chance murphy? |
| 04:43.55 | jerware | i connected a second hard drive as a slave that i would like to mount. how do i find the device file ? |
| 04:44.58 | EdLin | sortadi: I don't reccomend testing or sid to newbies, in fact I'm running stable on this box right now. |
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| 04:45.16 | sortadi | EdLin: well i happen to be a debian newbie and i am suing etch |
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| 04:45.24 | sortadi | EdLin: with absolutely no problems at all |
| 04:45.29 | sortadi | *using |
| 04:46.07 | EdLin | sortadi: if you're a newbie and trying to track updates that can and will change. |
| 04:46.17 | Halitherses | Why would I be getting this error in my syslog?: lpd[1776]: /dev/usb/lp0: No such file or directory. Should I worry about it? |
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| 04:47.17 | EdLin | sortadi: and if you don't track upates, well, then throw security out the window |
| 04:47.29 | EdLin | updates* |
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| 04:49.15 | sanmarcos | what is the wheel group/useR? |
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| 04:50.01 | Halitherses | !wheel |
| 04:50.01 | dpkg | hmm... wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
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| 04:51.44 | sortadi | by the way |
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| 04:52.23 | Miesco | Can windows computers print to a CUPS server? |
| 04:52.24 | aesxa | Suppose I want to move my Linux installation to a different partition... can I just mv * /dev/hdxx ? |
| 04:52.26 | sortadi | i have a 5-in-1 Texas Instruments card reader device in my laptop which debian etch doesn't seems to recognize and have drivers for |
| 04:52.42 | Tidus | Miesco: yes, if you share the printer through samba |
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| 04:53.10 | Miesco | Tidus: But thats not to the CUPS server |
| 04:53.27 | Tidus | Miesco: samba will talk to cups and you can use it just like a normal network printer |
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| 04:53.49 | Miesco | Tidus: Like IDD://host/printers/mp130? |
| 04:53.49 | Tidus | Miesco: that's your easiest solution |
| 04:54.09 | Miesco | normal like that? |
| 04:54.12 | Tidus | Miesco: if you share the printer through samba, you'll point windows at \\computername\printer |
| 04:54.38 | Miesco | Well thats normal WINDOWS network printer |
| 04:55.06 | Miesco | Can windows computers print to a CUPS server? |
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| 04:55.29 | steven_ | how do i get libdvdcss2 to read dvds |
| 04:55.34 | Tidus | i believe there is an IPP path for windows somewhere... dunno how to set it up tho |
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| 04:55.50 | steven_ | oops libdvdread2 |
| 04:55.56 | Tidus | i just take the easy way out and share the printer through samba |
| 04:56.06 | lindenl1 | hi I am getting a seg fault with apt-get upgrade in etch |
| 04:56.10 | lindenl1 | can anyone help |
| 04:56.42 | unfo | lindenl1: etch is officially unsupported. what did you try already? |
| 04:56.56 | Miesco | Tidus: But you dont know if windows computers can connect to CUPS servers? |
| 04:57.02 | steven_ | I am trying to get DVD playback in debian, any advice? |
| 04:57.20 | Tidus | Miesco: i know they can, but i dont know how to set it up |
| 04:57.29 | Miesco | Okay |
| 04:57.34 | unfo | steven_: you need a compatible media player. did you look on the web for a tutorial? |
| 04:57.37 | lindenl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.41 | Tidus | lindenl1: try 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 04:57.43 | steven_ | xine-ui |
| 04:58.01 | unfo | ok, did you look on the web for a tutorial? |
| 04:58.02 | lindenl1 | Tidus: still a seg fault |
| 04:58.08 | lindenl1 | does this mean it is dpkg |
| 04:58.38 | Tidus | it *is* possible. |
| 04:58.51 | unfo | lindenl1: you can find out. catchsegv apt-get upgrade |
| 04:58.52 | Tidus | depends on where it's dying tho |
| 04:58.57 | steven_ | I know how to enable dma, etc, i just need the dvdcss2 |
| 04:59.17 | unfo | steven_: so do you have it? |
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| 04:59.37 | EdLin | steven_: marillat, or /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 04:59.54 | steven_ | EdLin: thanks, what i needed :) |
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| 05:00.25 | cr3 | how can I determine the operating system I'm running on? is there a file under /proc? |
| 05:00.29 | unfo | steven_: sorry about that |
| 05:00.31 | lindenl1 | unfo:libapt-pkg3.11.mo' |
| 05:00.37 | Tidus | !tell steven_ about marillat |
| 05:00.41 | unfo | cr3: uname -a maybe? or cat /etc/debian* |
| 05:00.46 | stew | cr3: you mean uname -n? |
| 05:01.08 | steven_ | do i add that to my repo? |
| 05:01.15 | stew | uhh i meant -s |
| 05:01.15 | Tidus | steven_: yep |
| 05:01.22 | EdLin | cr3: if you mean to tell what kind of including non-Unix there is, you won't find it in /proc, which is very different or absent in unices |
| 05:01.24 | steven_ | sweet, thanks |
| 05:01.43 | lindenl1 | Why would this have just stopped working all of a sudden? |
| 05:01.51 | Tidus | bad update perhaps? |
| 05:02.01 | lindenl1 | hmmm |
| 05:02.02 | lindenl1 | ok |
| 05:02.14 | EdLin | !tell lindenl1 -about enter |
| 05:02.15 | cr3 | stew: uname -n returns my host name |
| 05:03.19 | stew | cr3: yeah i meant -s |
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| 05:05.10 | EdLin | cr3: you can also use this in a program, man 2 uname |
| 05:05.21 | valdyn | Miesco: windows xp at least can print to http://url:port/printername |
| 05:05.29 | valdyn | Miesco: which is served by cups |
| 05:05.44 | Miesco | valdyn: Okay |
| 05:05.54 | valdyn | Miesco: nothing else to setup |
| 05:06.10 | EdLin | cr3: uname is a syscall in SysV and Linux. |
| 05:06.10 | Miesco | valdyn: But the windows computer needs the drivers? |
| 05:06.24 | valdyn | Miesco: yea |
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| 05:06.48 | steven_ | ahh, exactly what I was looking for. Thank you all very much!! I have never been more happy with a linux install! |
| 05:06.48 | Miesco | valdyn: Is there a printer server I could use where you dont need drivers? |
| 05:08.25 | valdyn | Miesco: always need a driver of some kind |
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| 05:09.10 | valdyn | Miesco: samba can serve drivers to be downloaded automagically |
| 05:10.49 | dvsdude | hello I have a old server system with a DAC960 scsi card I have used the Mylex software to set up a 12 GB Raid 5 array but I cannot get debian to see partition or load the DAC960 module any pointers on how I can get debian on to this system |
| 05:11.01 | valdyn | Miesco: lpr and probably cups too can filter postscript to the printer, but that doesnt take away the need for a driver, even if its just a anything2postscript thing |
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| 05:14.49 | Miesco | valdyn: But you dont need a driver with windows printing shares? |
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| 05:15.11 | aesxa | Suppose I want to move my Linux installation to a different partition... can I just mv * /dev/hdxx ? |
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| 05:16.59 | _rene_ | aesxa: no, but jyou can just mount wahetevr is on hdxx and mv the stuff over |
| 05:17.07 | _rene_ | aesxa: and then do bootloader and stuff |
| 05:17.31 | cahoot | _rene_: mv keeps perms/owner? |
| 05:17.33 | dli_ | aesxa, better to "cp -a", so, you can still boot the old one, if you make mistakes |
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| 05:17.57 | panthere_noire | plop |
| 05:18.03 | dvsdude | !raid |
| 05:18.03 | dpkg | hmm... raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 05:18.22 | narg | How would you go about limiting a process to a cpu %, not just cpu time or the whole processor underclocking itself? |
| 05:18.28 | _rene_ | cahoot: yes |
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| 05:18.53 | cahoot | _rene_: ok |
| 05:18.57 | aesxa | dli_, okay, cp -a sounds good. _rene_, how is that different from what I said? thanks for the help guys. Just copying should be fine then, no wacky things to get messed up if I transfer the whole filesystem? Just adjust GRUB and fstab and I'll be cool? |
| 05:19.17 | epictetu1 | aesxa: I do it all the time. |
| 05:19.25 | _rene_ | aesxa: that I took what you said for literal, people ask weird stuff sometimes, so.. ;) |
| 05:19.31 | Eclipser_ | meh meh |
| 05:19.34 | Eclipser_ | sid broke :> |
| 05:19.41 | Eclipser_ | too bad I had to go to work... |
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| 05:19.49 | Eclipser_ | at least I have something to do when I get home |
| 05:19.52 | dli_ | aesxa, you have to reinstall grub, you should not copy in use, /dev /sys /proc /mnt |
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| 05:20.58 | aesxa | oh right right. So I should use my little small partition to launch a little small Linux and then cp everything? Where can I get a bootable minimal command-line that'll be able to do that? |
| 05:21.25 | dli_ | aesxa, you can boot a debian cd |
| 05:21.45 | dli_ | aesxa, or any linux cd ( not limited to debian) |
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| 05:22.36 | dli_ | aesxa, you don't have to cp (/dev /sys /proc /mnt ), so, not necessary to use a livecd either |
| 05:22.45 | foo | Hm, all of a sudden all of my ssh connections to my local server froze. I got this in my log - http://pastebin.com/726018 - kind of weird, eh? Any ideas? |
| 05:23.06 | _rene_ | aesxa: that I took what you said for literal, people ask weird stuff sometimes, so.. ;) |
| 05:23.37 | aesxa | dli_, I don't really want to run off of a CD, I have none available and don't want to make one. Also, Debian image is big ... maybe business card would work. I have a 200-something meg fat partition, should I just put a little CLI in there? dli_, ok ok ok ok, so I just copy over that stuff that doesn't autopopulate or whatever? |
| 05:23.55 | aesxa | I have some things in mount I'd like to keep --- I guess I'll just make them again : P |
| 05:24.23 | dli_ | foo, can you unplug your network, turn off firewall, try again |
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| 05:24.41 | sciboy | Hey guys, question. |
| 05:24.49 | foo | dli_: Hm, thanks, why not just disable firewall? |
| 05:25.04 | dli_ | aesxa, just cp the current system, no need to go cd |
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| 05:25.21 | sciboy | We got the most unreliable internet service ever, and my boss is wondering whether we could put in multiple internet conenctions, one ADSL and one Wireless. |
| 05:25.38 | Nopalin | error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, how can i fix this error? |
| 05:25.46 | sciboy | Is that practical? |
| 05:26.15 | streuner | sciboy: just paste the output of dpkg -l libc6 in paster bot |
| 05:26.17 | david3 | sciboy: well... where is your internet service going to be coming from? |
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| 05:26.32 | sciboy | david3, Two different providers. |
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| 05:27.02 | david3 | sciboy: what do you mean when you say, "one wireless"? |
| 05:27.28 | david3 | sciboy: maybe I'm just behind the times... but usually, a wireless network is something you do at your own office that is independent of your ISP(s) |
| 05:27.39 | sciboy | david3, I mean, an internet connection without any phone-lines or cables. Not WiFi. I'm talking about Wireless internet. |
| 05:27.42 | nomin | are there plf repositories for debian? |
| 05:28.11 | nomin | I mean, are there plf packages for debian? |
| 05:28.19 | sciboy | david3, http://www.unwired.com.au/index.php |
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| 05:29.17 | david3 | sciboy: alright, I see. So, do you want all the computers in the office to connect to the wireless internet, independently? I would say that would be unwise, rather -- you should have the wireless connection and the ADSL connection both come to one internet server in your office |
| 05:29.31 | streuner | sciboy: what does that have to do with /topic? |
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| 05:29.54 | sciboy | streuner, What does your presence have to do with /topic? |
| 05:30.28 | david3 | sciboy: whoa, man, people are here to help others with debian, not networking |
| 05:30.35 | streuner | sciboy: well, iam using debian and try to answer debian related questions |
| 05:30.36 | dvsdude | anyone know where I can find howto on installing debian on system with a DAC960 Raid controller the debian install keeps getting error tryong to modprobe -v DAC960 |
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| 05:30.56 | hejux | hi |
| 05:30.57 | david3 | sciboy: I've seen streuner answering debian questions, and I'm glad he's here for that. |
| 05:31.04 | hejux | i got error messege |
| 05:31.08 | sciboy | streuner, And i'm running a debian machine at work which so far all the information related to my subject has come from linux listings. |
| 05:31.11 | hejux | ./autogen.sh: line 15: libtoolize: command not found |
| 05:31.16 | hejux | Executing: aclocal -I . |
| 05:31.22 | hejux | aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library |
| 05:31.29 | hejux | aclocal: configure.in: 19: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 05:31.36 | hejux | what can i do ? |
| 05:31.52 | sciboy | david3, Yeah, he's nice to have around. =) |
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| 05:31.57 | servus | This is an awfully silly question, but is there something funny about the xterm rc on Debian? I just want to reverse video (black background, white foreground) text in Debian xterm! I've tried using ~/.Xdefaults that work fine on other systems (OS X), tried noodling with ~/.Xdefaults, ~/.Xresources, /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm, /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color, running rxdb -merge on files after I edit them, using the revers |
| 05:31.57 | servus | eVideo: true directive (with many different prefixes), and trying to manually set background and foreground colors, to no avail. I can only seem to change my cursor colour. How can I get a black background with Debian XTerm? Even `xterm -rv` still produces a white background. |
| 05:32.18 | david3 | hejux: what are you trying to do? are you trying to compile some program? |
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| 05:32.26 | prowlr | hello |
| 05:32.28 | Nopalin | how can i fix this error : error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file |
| 05:32.37 | hejux | david3: i am install a svn app |
| 05:32.57 | prowlr | how can i deinstall XFree86 and convert to Xorg? im using sarge r1. tnx |
| 05:33.01 | hejux | i am install fluxbox from svn |
| 05:33.01 | dli_ | Nopalin, search the file at packages.debian.org , or use apt-file search |
| 05:33.28 | david3 | hejux: are you running sarge/stable, etch/testing, or sid/unstable ? |
| 05:33.33 | hejux | sid |
| 05:33.36 | streuner | prowlr: backports.org |
| 05:33.41 | hejux | what can i do to continue ? |
| 05:33.47 | streuner | prowlr: read instructions there |
| 05:33.52 | EdLin | !tell nomin -about marillat |
| 05:34.02 | Nopalin | dli_ tanks |
| 05:34.04 | EdLin | nomin: marillat is our equivalent of plf |
| 05:34.18 | prowlr | thanks streuner |
| 05:34.32 | hejux | david3: ? |
| 05:34.41 | david3 | sciboy: anyway, so in my opinion, you ought to have both internet connections come through one computer, and use it as a router/firewall, and then the (client) computers in your office will all go through that one, and shouldn't notice if one or the other connection is down |
| 05:34.46 | hejux | is there any suggestion ? |
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| 05:35.19 | david3 | hejux: I don't really know, I just thought I'd query a bit more info. I really can't help you compile fluxbox from svn, but it's good that you're using sid to do it ! |
| 05:35.54 | nomin | EdLin, thanks. I'll check it out. |
| 05:36.04 | sciboy | david3, But anyway, we have and a gigabit switch, a voip gateway and an adsl router. |
| 05:36.29 | hejux | because i want fluxbox to support chinese , and one man asked me to install the svn version of fluxbox to solve my problem |
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| 05:36.57 | servus | Interestingly enough, the *only* way I can find to enable white-on-black with Debian's xterm is to ctrl-left-and-right-together click the XTerm and UNcheck "enable reverse video". But of course that configuration won't "stick". |
| 05:37.11 | streuner | david3: don't /msg people |
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| 05:37.21 | stew | hejux: apt-get build-dep fluxbox ; apt-get install build-essential automake1.9 |
| 05:37.38 | streuner | !tell david3 about guidelines |
| 05:37.55 | dli_ | hejux, xfce supports chinese better |
| 05:37.59 | hejux | stew: ok , |
| 05:38.01 | david3 | streuner: sorry man, I'm still learning. other old users have /msg'd me very occasionally. I don't do it much. |
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| 05:39.06 | hejux | dli_: yeah , i know , i used xfce beforwe |
| 05:39.09 | stew | hejux: you are going to need libtool too |
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| 05:39.11 | hejux | before |
| 05:40.07 | dli_ | hejux, can you just use the current version of fluxbox, and make the menu yourself? (in chinese) |
| 05:40.19 | hejux | thanks ! success !!!!!! |
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| 05:41.05 | david3 | sciboy: hmmm, I just realized that I don't know what order a gateway and router go in! these are really more networking questions. I have no idea what channel to send you to, but there are people who know this stuff better, and who are more eager to talk about it |
| 05:41.23 | hejux | dli_: yes , if i make menu in chinese ,it display box and box , if i make it in english , it is well |
| 05:41.40 | sciboy | david3, I got $2 that says some of the Gentoo chaps have done it. =P |
| 05:41.57 | sciboy | david3, They are generally more into hardware. |
| 05:42.18 | david3 | sciboy: what, helped people with heavy networking questions in the #gentoo forum? maybe so, I don't know. |
| 05:42.47 | sep | sciboy, yes you can have multiple uplinks, |
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| 05:42.53 | stew | what exactly is the question? can you use two upstreams networks for failover/load balancing? |
| 05:43.01 | david3 | sciboy: is the adsl router... just a standalone piece of hardware, or is it a linux box? |
| 05:43.06 | sep | !split access |
| 05:43.06 | dpkg | methinks split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the dirst step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets |
| 05:43.15 | dli_ | hejux, fluxbox should support NLS and TT-fonts for long :( |
| 05:43.21 | sciboy | stew, We got a VOIP gateway, a ADSL router and a Gigabit switch. |
| 05:43.31 | sciboy | stew, Our ADSL provider is unreliable as hell. |
| 05:43.48 | sciboy | stew, And we have the option of getting a wireless internet aswell. |
| 05:43.57 | david3 | nice link dpkg... that's what sciboy wants! |
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| 05:44.05 | hejux | oh ! |
| 05:44.07 | david3 | we love our bots here... |
| 05:44.07 | sep | sciboy, keep in mind that 2 lniks from the same provider is probably just as unreliable as one. get another link from a different provider |
| 05:44.09 | sciboy | stew, What my boss wants to know is if we can use them both simultaneously? |
| 05:44.10 | hejux | dli_: i see |
| 05:44.27 | david3 | sciboy: did you see the message from dpkg dude? |
| 05:44.35 | dli_ | hejux, don't what's causing the trouble :( |
| 05:44.35 | stew | sciboy: certainly. see url dpkg just spit out or the tons of info from lartc.org |
| 05:44.43 | hejux | well , CTRL +P doesn't work in irssi !!!! |
| 05:44.56 | sep | sciboy, if you replace the gateway line on eth0 in that exaple dpkg pasted for you with a multipath default gw route, you will have working loadbalancing |
| 05:45.11 | OhMyGod | Who can tell me ,how to list all users in debian? |
| 05:45.26 | hejux | clear |
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| 05:45.34 | stew | OhMyGod: getent passwd |
| 05:45.43 | sep | sciboy, then you need to do some scripting or ping checks or (some means of detecting a link failure) that removes the downed interface from the master routing table. |
| 05:46.20 | sciboy | sep, It is never fully down, it just becomes insanely slow at times so much i can ping timeout. |
| 05:46.57 | david3 | OhMyGod: you can also cat /etc/passwd though it is a few more keystrokes :-) |
| 05:46.57 | sep | sciboy, well you can srop it manualy or you can drop it based on ping latency or timeouts that's up to you. since youll need to script that. |
| 05:47.24 | stew | !split access is also http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 05:47.24 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 05:47.25 | OhMyGod | thank you |
| 05:47.37 | sep | stew, no. that's loadbalancing |
| 05:47.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:47.40 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:48.27 | sep | stew, altho it's just the master default gw changing :) |
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| 05:49.28 | stew | sep: this is not split access? |
| 05:50.59 | sep | stew, i had that link in a different factoid earlier. but i cant seem to find it again. :] it's ok |
| 05:51.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Here's an old script I made a while back for rudimentary load balancing between interfaces -- http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/rc.firewall-2.4-gnmx.tar.gz |
| 05:51.58 | sep | stew, technicaly not. since there are several usages of split access without bothering with loadbalancing. but that's nitpicking |
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| 05:52.58 | stew | sep: it doesn't seem to be in any other factoids now |
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| 05:55.02 | renewbie | hi, which library I need so I can compile some programs with gcc 3.4? (I am building my system from scratch with just debian kernel in it) |
| 05:55.23 | stew | renewbie: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 05:56.06 | renewbie | :) |
| 05:56.18 | newave | greetings everyone! |
| 05:56.27 | stew | renewbie: oh, and apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
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| 05:57.03 | renewbie | stew: did that |
| 05:57.22 | sep | stew, i know dont know what happeded to it |
| 05:57.49 | renewbie | stew: thank you |
| 05:57.53 | stew | sep: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=lartc.org&term=value |
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| 05:59.37 | sep | stew, not there. mine was named loadbalanace or some such |
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| 06:02.09 | aesxa | I guess I should clarify I'm looking at moving my whole partition onto another disk and using that disk as my new primary disk. cp -a is all that's necessary? fstab will be messed up ... should I just change that over there? |
| 06:02.36 | renewbie | stew: build-essential is a breeze |
| 06:02.42 | dli_ | aesxa, you have to rewrite fstab, reinstall grub |
| 06:02.46 | newave | aesxa: personally, I dins drive cloning software to be the fastest best way |
| 06:02.52 | streuner | aesxa: did you look at partimage yet? |
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| 06:03.06 | streuner | !info partimage |
| 06:03.12 | dpkg | partimage: (backup partitions into a compressed image file), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-14+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 796 kB |
| 06:03.34 | aesxa | newave, streuner, no, I haven't looked at those things. dli_, how do I reinstall GRUB? |
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| 06:04.57 | aesxa | Yeah maybe I should switch to lilo ... I've used GRUB for a long time, is using lilo a good idea? |
| 06:04.58 | dli_ | aesxa, I think you have to read a howto, or ask with specific conditions |
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| 06:05.17 | stew | aesxa: stick with grub; read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 06:05.39 | david3 | aesxa: yeah, change fstab afterwards. one option is to just put grub on a floppy and boot from it, then install in the new drive's mbr. But it -ought- to be possible to install grub on a second hard drive's mbr |
| 06:06.31 | david3 | streuner: I remember using lilo once in the past. but once I learned grub, I haven't looked back. what's lilo good at? |
| 06:06.45 | newave | david3: to look at heh |
| 06:07.25 | david3 | newave: what, while it doesn't boot the computer? that's rather below the belt, I remember it worked fine |
| 06:07.29 | streuner | david3: some people know lilo and have no clue about grub ;-) |
| 06:07.37 | aesxa | I see. Thanks everyone. Can I not just edit grub's routines, or will it cry? When GRUB starts it lets me c for command line or e for edit. I should just be able to change the hard drive number, right? |
| 06:08.44 | streuner | !start a bootloader war |
| 06:08.44 | dpkg | silo 0wnz j00 |
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| 06:09.36 | newave | i use grub myself but for no other reason than it came with my distro and works |
| 06:09.48 | newave | I'll use whatever works |
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| 06:10.18 | david3 | I learned to use grub when I needed it to dual-boot win98 from an external hdd |
| 06:10.23 | zu22 | triffid_hunter: ok /etc/aliases says: |
| 06:10.23 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.23 | zu22 | root: zu22 |
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| 06:11.38 | streuner | !literal start a bootloader war |
| 06:11.38 | dpkg | "#debian start a bootloader war" is "<REPLY> (grub rules|lilo sucks|msdos bootloader kicks some ass|OS/2 Boot Manager is all you need|grub sucks|lilo rules|palo is the best!|milo sucks|silo 0wnz j00|yaboot rules)" |
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| 06:12.19 | david3 | streuner: excellent. that's all I have to say! |
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| 06:13.10 | streuner | hm, created by xk, no big suprise then |
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| 06:14.14 | Fac51 | i'm having a problem with the flash plugin, i'm not able to see text at all on flash objects. |
| 06:14.22 | newave | any amiga vets here? |
| 06:14.34 | streuner | hardly |
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| 06:14.46 | david3 | Fac51: which flash plugin? there are several (and we might not be able to help you a whole lot with that in #debian) |
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| 06:15.10 | endless | Hi guys. Need some help with installation using minimal CD. System not recognizing Intel on board 82801GR (ICH7) network adapter. What to do? Thanks |
| 06:15.10 | servus | I've got the same Flash problem on all browsers in Debian. Sites such as http://stargatesg1.com/stargatelb.html don't show the text on the top layer. |
| 06:15.19 | Fac51 | david3: the one that firefox downloads when you try to view a flash movie |
| 06:15.19 | stew | Fac51: make sure you ahve gsfonts-xll installed |
| 06:15.28 | Fac51 | stew: i did that |
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| 06:15.50 | tralala | endless: take an unofficial install image with a recent kernel |
| 06:15.51 | streuner | endless: try another installer |
| 06:16.06 | endless | Thanks |
| 06:16.06 | streuner | endless: is the chipset supported at all in linux? |
| 06:16.28 | endless | Have no problem at all with FC5 |
| 06:16.50 | aesxa | alright I guess I'll go to sleep while this copies : P. Thanks for the help everyone. : ) |
| 06:17.06 | streuner | endless: wanna use sarge? |
| 06:17.14 | stew | endless: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" say? |
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| 06:18.03 | endless | I just try to instal from minimal CD |
| 06:18.24 | endless | Stop at ethernet screen |
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| 06:19.00 | streuner | endless: try kmuto's sarge installer |
| 06:19.10 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:19.10 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 06:19.31 | sep | newave, why do you want to know ? |
| 06:20.22 | opyrt | Hello good people. Anyone familiar with softwareraid 5 and the error: May 19 00:03:23 localhost kernel: md0: rw=0, want=9838415368, limit=1465190784 ? |
| 06:20.24 | newave | sep: just curious. A lot of us old ami users moved to linux... just seeing if any were in here :) |
| 06:20.28 | endless | which unofficial I need to download, test or unstable? |
| 06:20.36 | streuner | endless: none |
| 06:20.49 | streuner | endless: install stable/sarge first |
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| 06:21.30 | sep | newave, im still using my amigas now and then. shame that spareparts is so hard to cmoe by |
| 06:21.56 | endless | I have stable minimal cd |
| 06:22.22 | endless | That the cd i run |
| 06:22.25 | newave | sep: right on same here! The parts issue was bad even during their production |
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| 06:24.15 | newave | sep: today, emulated ami is just as good IMO so it isnt really an issue to me anymore. Keep the antiquities under flass and play the emu |
| 06:24.25 | newave | glass* |
| 06:25.04 | sep | newave, noooooo i want my ND100 working again too.. !! it pains me to see it in such a defective way |
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| 06:26.31 | newave | sep: ND100? |
| 06:27.09 | xbmodder_lappy | how big is a debian base install? |
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| 06:27.28 | streuner | with or without X? |
| 06:27.55 | xbmodder_lappy | without |
| 06:27.58 | xbmodder_lappy | eewww X |
| 06:27.59 | kgoetz | is there any performance/stability difference using a msdos partition table over bsd or sun when installing on a new hdd? |
| 06:28.32 | stew | kgoetz: troll elsewhere |
| 06:28.40 | kgoetz | stew: er.... |
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| 06:28.45 | kgoetz | wtf? |
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| 06:28.56 | streuner | kgoetz: read /topic |
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| 06:29.19 | tralala | !d-i kgoetz |
| 06:29.19 | dpkg | kgoetz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:29.20 | snipe | hey can anyone help me i'm trying to dual boot knoppix 4.0 and xp pro |
| 06:29.33 | xbmodder_lappy | can someone shoot me? |
| 06:29.37 | snipe | sure |
| 06:29.42 | streuner | hm, do we have friday today? ;-) |
| 06:29.55 | streuner | or sunday :-) |
| 06:30.00 | tralala | !friday |
| 06:30.00 | dpkg | methinks friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 06:30.10 | kgoetz | thanks tralala |
| 06:30.11 | tralala | oh, yes we do have one |
| 06:30.16 | streuner | !sunday |
| 06:30.16 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:30.29 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 06:30.29 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 06:30.58 | tralala | that settles it, I think |
| 06:31.00 | streuner | xbmodder_lappy: i would say about 100 MB |
| 06:31.11 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
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| 06:31.30 | tralala | xbmodder_lappy: there isn't much you can do with it though |
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| 06:32.11 | snipe | yea thx for being so usefull, i'll go elsewhere |
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| 06:32.41 | tralala | !customer |
| 06:32.41 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 06:32.49 | teledyn | streuner, xbmodder_lappy: that much? my base/minimal installs are usually ~30MB |
| 06:33.28 | teledyn | oops, sorry - that is way off |
| 06:34.19 | stew | oh |
| 06:34.22 | stew | heh |
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| 06:34.57 | teledyn | i have a rsync mirror of a minimun debian base install. du -sh reports it as 298M. |
| 06:35.20 | teledyn | i must be remembering back to old days of minimal floppy installs |
| 06:35.47 | stew | i misread kgoetz question the first time |
| 06:35.51 | stew | he wasn't trolling |
| 06:36.12 | stew | although i have my doubts that he runs debian |
| 06:36.30 | teledyn | oops |
| 06:37.25 | Supaplex | my 1g usb memory stick has one partition (sdb1) according to /proc/partitions. I've used it w/o any issue on windows and mac. if mount /dev/sdb1 ... -t vfat says it's not vfat, then what else would it be? |
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| 06:37.51 | streuner | stew: since when you are using msdos partition table in order to install? |
| 06:38.15 | tralala | streuner: it's not about partition - it's about partition table |
| 06:38.29 | Supaplex | file(1) says it's merly an x86 boot sector. strings doesn't give me many hints, but I do see the file names scattered about w/in the first few pages. |
| 06:38.35 | tralala | I didn't get it from the first reading either. |
| 06:38.39 | streuner | well, the issue is the same... |
| 06:38.55 | xbmodder_lappy | teledyn, 150-200 |
| 06:38.56 | Sandy | hou to install WINE for debian based editions? |
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| 06:39.46 | tralala | Sandy: apt-get install wine |
| 06:40.15 | streuner | netinstall is about 100 MB, minimal install is about 30 MB, you can imagine how big the base-install is then |
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| 06:41.37 | Sandy | root@prlab2:~# apt-get install wine |
| 06:41.37 | Sandy | Reading package lists... Done |
| 06:41.38 | Sandy | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 06:41.38 | Sandy | Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:41.38 | Sandy | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 06:42.02 | fireba11 | .. or you pasted way too much :-) |
| 06:42.15 | streuner | those are essential packages..., you don't have i.e. irssi, whois and some other optional packages installed... |
| 06:42.20 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 06:43.29 | tralala | !tell Sandy -about paster |
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| 06:47.33 | teledyn | i think mine is so big because it has 686 kernel installed too |
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| 06:48.03 | xbmodder_lappy | installing the kernel |
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| 06:49.20 | teledyn | cleaning out apt archives brought it down to 268M |
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| 06:49.58 | tralala | teledyn: some log cleaning might take it down to 200 |
| 06:50.49 | teledyn | tralala: just delete them? or run logrotate with some options? |
| 06:50.55 | Fac51 | ok... |
| 06:51.17 | teledyn | 5.0 M for /var/log |
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| 06:51.32 | tralala | teledyn: if you don't need them you can just delete them. If you do need them you can just check their size. |
| 06:51.49 | Fac51 | i completly uninstalled flash plugin, went to macromedia site and downloaded flash plugin 7.0.63, installed using their installer script, before i did that, i installed ALL gsfonts packages in the repo.... still no text |
| 06:52.03 | tralala | teledyn: and how much is the whole /var? |
| 06:52.28 | teledyn | 44M |
| 06:52.44 | killown | how to convert pdf for djvu? |
| 06:52.44 | xbmodder_lappy | does debian always take a year to start up? |
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| 06:53.12 | tralala | xbmodder_lappy: mine took two once |
| 06:53.21 | xbmodder_lappy | I got an IRQ conflict |
| 06:53.25 | xbmodder_lappy | this is why i like gentoo |
| 06:53.27 | streuner | killown: what's djvu? |
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| 06:54.02 | killown | streuner an alternative for pdf |
| 06:54.10 | streuner | oh |
| 06:54.33 | streuner | xbmodder_lappy: try to run install process with 'noacpi' |
| 06:54.48 | Daedalus_ | !troll xbmodder_lappy |
| 06:54.49 | xbmodder_lappy | it installs |
| 06:54.58 | xbmodder_lappy | I just had to disable parallel port to make it work |
| 06:55.03 | xbmodder_lappy | Daedalus_, shutup |
| 06:55.16 | streuner | hm |
| 06:55.22 | streuner | wired then |
| 06:55.36 | xbmodder_lappy | small problem |
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| 07:00.34 | Alam_Debian | I can't get GNOME's menu to update, the menu editor see the new icon |
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| 07:07.16 | DkH|Cyborg`afk | good morning |
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| 07:08.03 | DkH|Cyborg`afk | Es muss ein /dev/ttyI* Device vorhanden sein, damit ant-phone das |
| 07:08.03 | DkH|Cyborg`afk | ISDN-Interface benutzen kann. Dafr muss der Kernel dies untersttzen. |
| 07:08.31 | DkH|Cyborg`afk | i have a question ... i will use amt-phone for ISDN .. it doesnt start and tells me.. it cant found /dev/ttyI* ... what should i do? |
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| 07:10.54 | Gluc | holas mochahos |
| 07:11.08 | Gluc | hello girls |
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| 07:13.12 | Eclipser_ | has anyone else gotten kernel panics with sid during the last 24 hours? :) |
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| 07:14.47 | DkH|Cyborg`afk | stupid question..... how can i create a /dev/ttyI ? |
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| 07:23.27 | _fluffee | Hello. I'm about to break my computer and would like to do so in a professional rather than haphazard manner. Specifically I wish to update from a 2.4-blah kernel to a 2.6-blah kernel. In my appraoch I am attempting to replicate headers, image, and pcmcia groups yet I find no 2.6-blah pcmcia-modules group. What am I about to do wrong? |
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| 07:28.41 | xoz | _fluffee: because there is none |
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| 07:31.47 | _fluffee | xoz: Thank you. Now, <g> how would it work without said files? Are they incorporated into kernel 2.6-blah, or otherwise unnec'y? Or are they not there, and things will break if I attempt this? |
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| 07:33.29 | jes-o-mat | I'd like to compile Fusion MPT support staticly into my kernel. If I do so in my config compile process always throws an error: http://paste.debian.net/6806 are there any dependencies I've missed? |
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| 07:35.52 | atrus | _fluffee: it's been a while since i did anything with pcmcia, but i think they're directly in the 2.6 standard kernel now |
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| 07:35.55 | faber3 | morning, goo |
| 07:35.56 | faber3 | d |
| 07:36.07 | faber3 | i have a *strange* problem |
| 07:36.18 | faber3 | :/home# su casi |
| 07:36.18 | faber3 | setuid: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 07:36.28 | faber3 | other users work |
| 07:36.31 | faber3 | any ideas? |
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| 07:37.31 | faber3 | strace gives a : |
| 07:37.34 | faber3 | setuid32(1000) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 07:37.53 | Supaplex | faber3: ulimits? |
| 07:38.06 | _fluffee | atrus: Thanks. I'll give it a shot. |
| 07:38.08 | Supaplex | How should grub be setup for a floppy disk image on sda3? (root (hd0,2)). do I need chainloader +1 ? I've tried this, and I get |
| 07:38.29 | Supaplex | nm that, I mean, |
| 07:38.31 | faber3 | Supaplex: ulimit = unlimited |
| 07:38.35 | Supaplex | I copied (via dd) a floppy disk image (msdog^Hs boot disk) on /dev/sda3 (for bios flash updates). I'm using grub. how can I boot to this? I have makeactive and chainloader +1, but I have "Disk I/O error, press any key to retry" which kicks me back to grub. |
| 07:40.12 | Supaplex | makes no difference if I kill the makeactive. if I yank the chainloader +1, it won't even give me the disk i/o error, and I'm still in grub. |
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| 07:45.29 | Falkom | hi, I am installing debian in a new firewall server and I want to ask how many GB should have /tmp and /var/tmp partition, please? |
| 07:45.33 | Falkom | more and less |
| 07:45.59 | Tidus | Falkom: i got a debian firewall / router running on an old p166 with 32mb ram and a 2gb disk |
| 07:46.55 | Falkom | Tidus: I need any information about how many size I have to have in my partition more or less, please |
| 07:47.15 | Tidus | Falkom: i didn't bother with multiple partitions |
| 07:47.24 | Tidus | the / partition is 1.7gb |
| 07:47.40 | Tidus | rest is swap |
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| 07:48.28 | Tidus | /dev/hda4 1.6G 754M 753M 51% / |
| 07:48.28 | Tidus | tmpfs 15M 0 15M 0% /dev/shm |
| 07:48.28 | Tidus | /dev/hda1 89M 5.0M 79M 6% /boot |
| 07:48.37 | Tidus | with a 256mb swap partition on hda3 |
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| 07:49.30 | gznun | splashy is still not available for 'testing'. is there anything like splashy for 'testing? |
| 07:49.31 | Falkom | ok thx :-) |
| 07:50.08 | Supaplex | I have a fw running on a 256m cf card. |
| 07:50.35 | liable | a fw? |
| 07:50.41 | Supaplex | firewall |
| 07:50.45 | liable | oh :) |
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| 07:51.05 | gznun | got to be careful with the 'f'. |
| 07:51.37 | Supaplex | ?fw |
| 07:51.39 | Supaplex | !fw |
| 07:51.44 | Supaplex | *meh* |
| 07:52.21 | Tidus | !tell supaplex about firewall |
| 07:52.55 | Supaplex | yes yes... |
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| 07:53.20 | dacer | hi, can anyone help me to configure a Hauppauge HVR 1100 (Hybrid Analog and DVB-t card) on debian?, I ask help on linuxtv and v4l forums but don't get help |
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| 07:53.36 | Supaplex | FUD: or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on |
| 07:53.45 | Supaplex | silly dpkg... |
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| 07:55.03 | gznun | no one using splashy here? |
| 07:55.05 | di | can i use ubuntu userguides like easyubuntu.info with debian repos? |
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| 07:55.52 | Tidus | di: this is not #ubuntu... nor is this tyhe place ot ask about ANYTHING ubuntu |
| 07:56.02 | Supaplex | di: do what ever you want. caveat emptor, and no we won't answer questions on debian LIKE distros. |
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| 08:02.02 | dacer | anyone can help me with this dvb card? |
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| 08:03.22 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 08:03.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:04.28 | babo | I want to remove my chroot, but when I try to rm -rf it tells me that proc/.. is busy. I have killed all the dchroot ps' and tried to unmount proc but it still doesn't work ? |
| 08:05.17 | Supaplex | what happens when you attempt to unmount it? what kernel version are you using? |
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| 08:06.31 | Falkom | Hi, I have to make these partitions: /, /home/, /tmp, /var/tmp, /var/log, /var/cache/apt/archives/, /opt and swap. How many of these partition are like primary (not logic) partition please? |
| 08:07.15 | babo | umount: /proc: device is busy |
| 08:07.26 | ootput | I get the feeling the even the #ub ops are encouraging #deb-visits |
| 08:07.29 | swissbear | hi, I'd like change the system language |
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| 08:07.53 | Supaplex | babo: lsof /proc (don't paste) |
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| 08:08.46 | swissbear | it is possible to change the language without reinstalling the os? |
| 08:09.18 | Supaplex | assuming you're running debian, no reinstall should be required. |
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| 08:09.39 | alex_ | I have a question that seemed easy for me but that is not quite clear. I have access to a server via ssh, RedHadt is installed on it and I would like to initialize it completely with a new kernel and a new OS (Debian), can I do this via ssh ? |
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| 08:10.09 | Supaplex | yup |
| 08:10.11 | faber3 | alex_: yes. but to change the kernel you have to know what you are doing |
| 08:10.20 | ootput | alex_: a chroot install |
| 08:10.29 | ootput | alex_: the kernel will be difficult |
| 08:10.33 | Supaplex | !debtakeover |
| 08:10.33 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 08:10.43 | babo | Supaplex: ok thanks ( 2 lines is ok to paste no ??) |
| 08:10.56 | swissbear | I m using mepis wich actually is a debian version |
| 08:10.57 | panos_ | hello! I am a new debian user and i have some questions. I have previously used ubuntu but i wanted to try something else and many people suggested me debian. |
| 08:11.04 | ootput | heh, what's the dead rat again? |
| 08:11.08 | Supaplex | babo: two is ok. |
| 08:11.16 | babo | :-) |
| 08:11.17 | ootput | ah, rh |
| 08:11.20 | alex_ | faber3: is that because I have to compile a kernel for debian into a Redhat system ? |
| 08:11.33 | panos_ | Is there a packet so that i install the windows fonts? |
| 08:11.41 | alex_ | ootput: why a chroot ? |
| 08:12.09 | Tidus | ootput: RedHat |
| 08:12.15 | ootput | the gods demand it |
| 08:12.18 | ootput | Tidus: yeah, i got it :) |
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| 08:12.29 | liable | panos_: msttcorefonts |
| 08:12.38 | _ptr_ | hello |
| 08:12.39 | liable | or something similar :) |
| 08:12.39 | babo | I've removed everything but dev home proc tmp |
| 08:12.39 | babo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.44 | babo | lsof 12952 root 3r DIR 0,3 0 1 proc |
| 08:13.06 | _ptr_ | I'm tring to install debian on amilo pro v2045 but the installer cannot find my harddrive |
| 08:13.11 | _ptr_ | can anybody help me? |
| 08:13.32 | panos_ | doesn't seem to work... |
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| 08:15.32 | panos_ | anyone else remeber what the packet is? |
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| 08:16.02 | babo | Supaplex: any ideas on how to get rid of my chroot ? |
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| 08:16.55 | Supaplex | babo: is the shell your running, or the pwd still in the chroot? |
| 08:17.04 | ootput | panos_: what do you mean by "doesn't seem to work?" |
| 08:17.10 | ootput | panos_: not the fonts you're after? |
| 08:17.36 | panos_ | not it sais that the packet has no installation canditet |
| 08:17.43 | panos_ | candidate* |
| 08:17.46 | ootput | panos_: add contrib to your deb source |
| 08:17.48 | babo | Supaplex: I've done a ps aux | grep chroot and it suggests that there are not chroot processes left ... |
| 08:18.05 | panos_ | ehmmm, how? |
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| 08:18.25 | K|NgGh0sT | argh this might be painfull |
| 08:18.26 | sholl | hi all |
| 08:18.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Come on no reformat! |
| 08:18.50 | sholl | can someone tell me if smartd works with sata? |
| 08:18.51 | Supaplex | cd /, try lsof chrootpath again. |
| 08:18.58 | ootput | heh, i had to downgrade to etch (briefly) to get Xorg to work |
| 08:18.59 | blondie | K|NgGh0sT: that's eary |
| 08:19.03 | blondie | *easy |
| 08:19.19 | ootput | panos_: jed /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 08:19.24 | K|NgGh0sT | blondie, not for basically nub like me |
| 08:19.30 | K|NgGh0sT | This will be interesting |
| 08:19.32 | ootput | er, sources.list |
| 08:19.44 | K|NgGh0sT | I just pray x will load |
| 08:19.46 | blondie | you edit your sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:19.55 | panos_ | there is not a command jed...should i try gedit? |
| 08:20.10 | K|NgGh0sT | blondie, I know how, I said I just dont want to have to reformat if it goes wrong sorry |
| 08:20.15 | ootput | panos_: as root, whatever you like |
| 08:20.16 | Supaplex | !install |
| 08:20.16 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 08:20.21 | Supaplex | !install it |
| 08:20.30 | blondie | K|NgGh0sT: k, hopefully it'll "just work" ;) |
| 08:20.35 | panos_ | what should i add? |
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| 08:20.37 | Supaplex | humm... where did that factoid scurry of to. |
| 08:20.40 | liable | minus the space |
| 08:20.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Nothing "just works" with debian it seems |
| 08:20.48 | K|NgGh0sT | It hates me |
| 08:20.51 | K|NgGh0sT | but alas I love it |
| 08:20.55 | ootput | panos_: i mentioned it earlier |
| 08:21.02 | panos_ | contrib? |
| 08:21.05 | Supaplex | panos_: any editor should do. (well, we'll assume as much. my scroll back is dead) |
| 08:21.31 | ootput | panos_: yes, append it to the existing line |
| 08:21.35 | panos_ | omg the file is empty...??? |
| 08:21.38 | liable | !reference |
| 08:21.39 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 08:21.40 | liable | panos_: ^^ |
| 08:21.44 | liable | read it |
| 08:21.45 | ootput | panos_: man sources.list |
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| 08:22.36 | Supaplex | ahhh /dev/null is empty! it's lost for good! *gasp* </drama> |
| 08:22.38 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 08:24.12 | K|NgGh0sT | Wonder what the changes in KDE 3.5 are |
| 08:24.37 | ootput | compatible with current high-end hardware |
| 08:24.46 | Supaplex | bit and bytes |
| 08:24.46 | ootput | synergy, rather |
| 08:24.56 | Supaplex | oh yea, synergy is high end I tell ya... |
| 08:25.32 | ootput | panos_: you alive? |
| 08:25.41 | panos_ | alive and confused |
| 08:26.25 | panos_ | if i have understood i have to add an extra repository... |
| 08:27.42 | ootput | no, add the word 'contrib' to the line containing the word 'main' |
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| 08:28.15 | panos_ | at the end of the line? |
| 08:28.23 | ootput | and then refer to what liable pointed you to earlier |
| 08:28.25 | ootput | panos_: yes |
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| 08:30.42 | meneg | hi, I noticed init.d scripts include a $START_OPTIONS, where do I set that? (just env var?) |
| 08:30.51 | panos_ | now it downloads |
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| 08:32.08 | ootput | meneg: which scripts? |
| 08:32.44 | meneg | ootput: eg on pdnsd it goes like start-stop-daemon --start .. .. .. -mto --daemon -p "$PIDFILE" $START_OPTIONS |
| 08:32.44 | ootput | meneg: try looking around in /etc/defaults/ for anythng that might be sourced |
| 08:33.29 | meneg | ootput: ah thx, there it was |
| 08:33.52 | meneg | heh, a file with just a "START_OPTIONS=" in it |
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| 08:34.12 | ootput | meneg: yw |
| 08:34.27 | panos_ | ok it works! thanks |
| 08:35.38 | sholl | noone with smartd and sata?! |
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| 08:36.31 | panos_ | and something else: has enyone managed to enable 3d acceleration with an ATI X1300? |
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| 08:37.06 | panos_ | when i installed debian x couldn't even start and i had to reconfigure it |
| 08:37.18 | K|NgGh0sT | what's the command to get into mysql? mysql -u root doesnt work cause I dont know the syntex to put in the pass |
| 08:37.28 | K|NgGh0sT | mysql -u root password ? |
| 08:37.43 | superlinux | which option tells squid not to retrieve a domain? but not to bann it.. cos it's a local internal domain |
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| 08:42.04 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: mysql -u user -p <table> |
| 08:42.10 | Supaplex | s/table/database/ |
| 08:42.16 | K|NgGh0sT | got it thanks |
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| 08:43.14 | aza | @locator 3 doors down |
| 08:43.34 | Supaplex | !pal aza |
| 08:43.51 | yang | Is it a common problem that artsd shows over 90% cpu usage on kde 3.5 and exits with error cpu overload, aborting ? |
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| 08:44.47 | Supaplex | yang: I've heard someone else say that earlier today (maybe you?). check bts. |
| 08:45.25 | aza | dpkg blablabla |
| 08:46.02 | aza | linux is so gay |
| 08:46.12 | aza | its too hard to install shit |
| 08:46.13 | yang | Supaplex: its a bug dating into 2004... |
| 08:46.32 | aza | !pal ?? wats dat mean |
| 08:47.22 | aza | @find fack |
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| 08:47.49 | aza | #flood |
| 08:49.19 | Eclipser_ | is there some place on the web to check which updates have happened in sid during the last day or two |
| 08:49.31 | liable | aza: dont be a retard. if you have nothing to ask or contribute, then go away |
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| 08:50.23 | aza | how do u install and run stuff im fukd |
| 08:50.47 | yang | aza: there are manuals on the net, which explains everything if you can read |
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| 08:52.12 | aza | where r these manuals |
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| 08:52.35 | yang | aza: www.debian.org |
| 08:54.01 | Supaplex | heh |
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| 08:54.29 | babo | what's your opinion on slackware btw ? |
| 08:54.38 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'fack' (3): (/usr/bin/afack) in mail/af ;; (/usr/share/qcad/libraries/processing/DIN28004/andereanlagenteile/{gasfackel.dat|gasfackel.dxf}) in graphics/partlibrary ;; (/usr/share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/Repeat_005facknowledge_005fengraver.html) in doc/lilypond-doc. |
| 08:54.53 | liable | wow, thats lag! |
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| 08:56.51 | Supaplex | not for a 286 |
| 08:57.03 | dobbyX | is it right that nagios does not need any client configuration? |
| 08:57.37 | Supaplex | I swear there's gotta be a nagios channel |
| 08:57.37 | dobbyX | I mean just the server has to be configured right? |
| 08:57.40 | K|NgGh0sT | how do I check for what users are in mysql? |
| 08:57.45 | dobbyX | sorry :) |
| 08:57.51 | dobbyX | i'll ask my question there |
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| 09:04.45 | ^Nikos | guys i currently use xchat 2.4.1 |
| 09:04.53 | ^Nikos | how cna i update to 2.6.1? |
| 09:05.02 | ^Nikos | ic an find it in synaptic |
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| 09:06.30 | ^Nikos | um id dins ee your answers |
| 09:06.30 | sonasks | if i want to add a script to autostart, it`s enough in debian to add it to /etc/init.d ?? |
| 09:06.57 | tralala | ^Nikos: which version do you run? |
| 09:07.08 | tralala | debian version that is |
| 09:07.37 | ^Nikos | Srage |
| 09:07.40 | ^Nikos | Sarge |
| 09:07.44 | tralala | sonasks: man update-rc.d |
| 09:08.15 | ^Nikos | if i waere be using sid |
| 09:08.22 | ^Nikos | woudl i have the letast xchat? |
| 09:08.49 | ^Nikos | TraceGreen, ? |
| 09:08.59 | Ciaran_H | ^Nikos: You probably don't want to be running sid. You probably want to learn about pinning. |
| 09:09.10 | tralala | ^Nikos: perhaps you would, along with many problems. If you want a later version go to backports.org |
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| 09:09.33 | Ciaran_H | backportss works too. |
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| 09:09.36 | Ciaran_H | ^backports |
| 09:09.38 | ^Nikos | i likle to sue latest version og packages |
| 09:09.43 | ^Nikos | that have more feuture sin it |
| 09:09.46 | ^Nikos | srage is old |
| 09:09.52 | ^Nikos | it used an old kerbel as well |
| 09:10.05 | tralala | ^Nikos: go to backports.org |
| 09:10.09 | ^Nikos | ok |
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| 09:10.15 | SlayerXP | ^Nikos: i tihkn yuo ned a bettar spel chkar |
| 09:10.18 | ^Nikos | can you please give me i torrent link |
| 09:10.28 | ^Nikos | to download sid ? |
| 09:10.47 | tralala | ^Nikos: don't download sid. |
| 09:10.58 | ^Nikos | its a desktop pc |
| 09:11.08 | ^Nikos | its not a server |
| 09:11.16 | tralala | it doesn't matter |
| 09:11.26 | tralala | my desktop pc runs sarge with backports just fine |
| 09:11.27 | ^Nikos | wgat could go wrong? |
| 09:11.53 | tralala | lots of things |
| 09:11.55 | tralala | !break |
| 09:11.55 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 09:12.16 | ^Nikos | tralala, what could break |
| 09:12.19 | ^Nikos | xchat? :) |
| 09:12.23 | ^Nikos | ot firefox? :) |
| 09:12.32 | ^Nikos | i dont think i will be havign any problems :) |
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| 09:13.14 | tralala | ^Nikos: it is your own computer and your own time you will be wasting with sid. You have been warned. |
| 09:13.40 | ^Nikos | tralala, what could go wrong? |
| 09:13.47 | ^Nikos | xchar or firefox? |
| 09:14.05 | tralala | *everything* |
| 09:14.20 | ^Nikos | can you give me a link plz? |
| 09:14.21 | Supaplex | !gr |
| 09:14.21 | dpkg | [gr] for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
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| 09:14.54 | ^Nikos | can you give me a sid link plz? |
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| 09:16.45 | nikos | tralala, |
| 09:16.47 | Supaplex | nikos: a sid link for what? |
| 09:16.51 | nikos | plsz give a link |
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| 09:17.01 | Supaplex | www.google.com/search?q=sid |
| 09:17.05 | Supaplex | there, there's a sid link. |
| 09:17.08 | nikos | a full instllation of sid version of debian |
| 09:17.12 | Supaplex | garbage in, garbage out. |
| 09:17.18 | Supaplex | !d-i |
| 09:17.19 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 09:18.08 | nikos | or pergpas my srage can be updates to sid? |
| 09:18.20 | blondie | nikos: English please |
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| 09:18.50 | nikos | or perhaps my sarge can be updates to sid? |
| 09:18.58 | blondie | updated |
| 09:19.03 | mikeX | nikos: you should do your homework |
| 09:19.16 | SlayerXP | nikos: if you have to ask how to use sid, you're not qualified to do so. |
| 09:19.47 | Supaplex | stable is the boot camp for learning what comes at you with testing and unstable. |
| 09:20.17 | nikos | please give a torrent link |
| 09:20.23 | nikos | i cant askk 100 times |
| 09:20.27 | blondie | no |
| 09:20.29 | Angels2 | whats the best way to upgrade php to a newer version in sarge besides compiling |
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| 09:20.39 | blondie | nikos: stop bloody asking the same question |
| 09:20.43 | tralala | Angels2: backports.org |
| 09:21.08 | Angels2 | tralala: thanks alot, will read it :) |
| 09:21.33 | Supaplex | nikos: why do you want sid? |
| 09:21.55 | tralala | Supaplex: because it has the lastest features |
| 09:22.09 | nikos | Supaplex, i ant latest version of packages |
| 09:22.19 | nikos | like firefox and xchat and other stuff |
| 09:22.21 | Supaplex | nikos: which package? |
| 09:22.21 | blondie | why? |
| 09:22.33 | Supaplex | !latest |
| 09:22.34 | dpkg | from memory, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 09:22.35 | zu22 | nikos: Go here -> http://www.debian.gr |
| 09:22.36 | zly | The latest stable kernel version is: 2.6.16.16 |
| 09:22.36 | zly | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.16.16.bz2 |
| 09:22.36 | zly | I'm currently running kernel version: 2.6.13-15.8-smp |
| 09:23.03 | Supaplex | zly: that's cute. now take a nap. |
| 09:23.24 | nikos | PLEASE GIVE A DEBIAN SID TORRENT LINK!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:23.32 | blondie | nikos: PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP |
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| 09:23.48 | nikos | I WILL IF YOU FUCKING GIVE IT TO ME |
| 09:23.55 | zu22 | nikos: you can find a link to the debian iso you want on www.debian.gr <---- please GO THERE |
| 09:24.05 | zu22 | !lart nikos |
| 09:24.07 | liable | nikos: there is no official sid install disks |
| 09:24.16 | nikos | zu22, i did go there |
| 09:24.22 | nikos | i founde donly sarge links |
| 09:24.31 | K|NgGh0sT | Where would mc.sql be located? |
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| 09:24.43 | zu22 | nikos: install sarge then you can dist-upgrade to unstable if you want it |
| 09:24.48 | petemc_ | K|NgGh0sT: use locate or find |
| 09:24.50 | nikos | yes |
| 09:24.51 | Supaplex | nikos, do you have the slighest idea why sid is best avoided until you understand atleast the basics? |
| 09:24.53 | nikos | that is ok too |
| 09:24.59 | zu22 | nikos: read the Debian Docs area of the site |
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| 09:25.04 | Supaplex | backports are a better option |
| 09:25.06 | petemc_ | nikos doesnt read |
| 09:25.10 | tralala | nikos: fsn.hu has *unofficial* sid images. No torrents though as far as I can recall. |
| 09:25.11 | nikos | Supaplex, no i dont |
| 09:25.19 | blondie | nikos is just dumb |
| 09:25.20 | nikos | but i dotn laos think that xchat or firefox will be broken |
| 09:25.31 | liable | oh yes, thats a good idea.. another fucking clueless sid user |
| 09:25.47 | liable | go use ubuntu |
| 09:25.55 | Supaplex | nikos: that's the problem with sid. you can't pick and choose your stability very eaisly. it's not uncommon for an update to cripple your system under sid. |
| 09:26.10 | Supaplex | then you'll be bitching back here for more help because you can't even manage it. |
| 09:26.28 | Supaplex | backports accomplish the same thing w/o the instability issues |
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| 09:26.42 | Supaplex | well, that or pinning. |
| 09:26.44 | nikos | Supaplex, yes i can understand that |
| 09:26.58 | nikos | but i ahve a sydden urge to download sid and see how it lloks like |
| 09:26.58 | mikeX | oh really? you can understand that? can you now? |
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| 09:27.10 | mikeX | well read the damn documentation first |
| 09:27.18 | honschu | _/-=- ( May I serve you ? ) - =-_ |
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| 09:27.30 | mikeX | you don't even have a clue as to how to upgrade to sid, RTFM *please* |
| 09:27.32 | Supaplex | well, considering sarge was released recently, there's not a whole lot. |
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| 09:28.02 | K|NgGh0sT | nikos, maybe you should work on your typing ability first |
| 09:28.02 | tralala | Supaplex: of course, there is! Broken X for example. |
| 09:28.02 | sonasks | debian-autostart - p.l.e.a.s.e |
| 09:28.11 | sonasks | it something like updatercd |
| 09:28.15 | sonasks | right ?? |
| 09:28.20 | sonasks | or update-rc.d ? |
| 09:28.24 | Supaplex | thewhite: oh yea, that's my flavorate :) |
| 09:28.44 | petemc_ | Supaplex: you can use update-rc.d , there are other methods also |
| 09:28.46 | petemc_ | gah |
| 09:28.47 | liable | sonasks: what are you talking about? |
| 09:28.49 | nikos | http://www.fsn.hu/ |
| 09:28.53 | nikos | it doens have a sid link |
| 09:29.05 | mikeX | sonasks: update-rc.d |
| 09:29.07 | Supaplex | sonasks: ^^^ read petemc's comment |
| 09:29.08 | sonasks | how to add a script to run automatically when sarge boots ups ? |
| 09:29.15 | Supaplex | or mikeX's :P |
| 09:29.25 | sonasks | ok |
| 09:29.28 | K|NgGh0sT | nikos, stfu http://www.fsn.hu/?f=download&r=57 |
| 09:29.53 | sonasks | su besides update-rc.d anything more ? |
| 09:29.54 | K|NgGh0sT | are you physically retarded? if not then I have no clue what you issue is |
| 09:30.05 | liable | i wonder if this blue frog thing can work. |
| 09:30.13 | nikos | Knight_Lord, thank you |
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| 09:30.19 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: he wants the eye candy he thinks is sid. |
| 09:30.24 | nikos | dam i was loking for ir int he paeg wnd didn find it |
| 09:30.26 | zu22 | knight_lord ? lol |
| 09:30.30 | K|NgGh0sT | SID will kill him in 2 mins |
| 09:30.43 | K|NgGh0sT | I hope it does too |
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| 09:30.55 | nikos | Knight_Lord, still i didn find a link there |
| 09:31.02 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: it's a sid feature :) |
| 09:31.09 | K|NgGh0sT | nikos, jesus christ |
| 09:31.16 | K|NgGh0sT | Go drown in a grease fire |
| 09:31.19 | Supaplex | !lart nikos's nick completion |
| 09:31.37 | tralala | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 09:31.38 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, tralala |
| 09:31.44 | zu22 | !kill nikos |
| 09:31.51 | nikos | Knight_Lord, tell where do ytou see an ftp or totrrent link in that page? |
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| 09:32.09 | Supaplex | nikos: btw, you know how to check for bug reports right? |
| 09:32.09 | K|NgGh0sT | tralala, I know I'm lame :D |
| 09:32.16 | mikeX | sonasks: there's a package called file-rc, thought I doubt that's what you are looking for |
| 09:32.18 | nikos | Supaplex, no |
| 09:32.20 | tralala | K|NgGh0sT: dpkg knows too :) |
| 09:32.24 | Supaplex | !btssmite nikos |
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| 09:32.49 | nikos | 30 mins and ima not able to find a sid link |
| 09:32.51 | nikos | great |
| 09:32.54 | petemc | too stupid |
| 09:32.57 | zu22 | haha |
| 09:33.01 | Supaplex | nikos: so file a bug on it |
| 09:33.12 | nikos | http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ |
| 09:33.21 | nikos | i searched here as well bu it contain nothing |
| 09:33.21 | tralala | nikos: how old are you? 13? |
| 09:33.32 | petemc | nikos: you've already been told, there is no official sid installer |
| 09:33.48 | nikos | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ |
| 09:33.49 | Supaplex | tralala: yea, in a few years. |
| 09:33.50 | nikos | hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 09:33.58 | liable | nikos: dude, you could have installed sarge or etch by now and upgraded.. smack head on desk |
| 09:34.03 | tralala | !prise nikos |
| 09:34.14 | Supaplex | !win nikos |
| 09:34.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, nikos! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 09:34.31 | nikos | lol |
| 09:34.39 | bobslaede | jesus christ!!! can i purge an 'rm -r ./*' ?!?!?! |
| 09:34.40 | tralala | Supaplex: quite a few, perhaps :) |
| 09:34.43 | echnaton | hi I have just installed gnome-desktop-environment in debian sid. When I click on the gnom menu it flickers and iam not able to navigate through it. how to fix that? |
| 09:35.06 | tralala | bobslaede: don't do that in / |
| 09:35.14 | Supaplex | nikos: that's already 12 days old. that's practly testing, but with more bugs. |
| 09:35.16 | sonasks | fuck this retard guys, thanks for help |
| 09:35.19 | bobslaede | tralala: i just did it in /home |
| 09:35.34 | tralala | bobslaede: you do have backups, don't you? |
| 09:35.35 | bobslaede | f**k |
| 09:35.41 | sonasks | to damn stupid to find it on google aaand want to install sid release -- |
| 09:35.44 | bobslaede | tralala: no? |
| 09:35.51 | bobslaede | tralala: forgot to check which dir i was in |
| 09:35.52 | nikos | Supaplex, what kind of bugs? |
| 09:36.00 | Supaplex | !btssmite nikos |
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| 09:36.13 | echnaton | hi. just installed gnome 2.14.1, but the gnome-menu flickers and iam not able to navigate through it. how to fix that problem?! |
| 09:36.19 | echnaton | oops wrong window |
| 09:36.25 | tralala | bobslaede: now you will begin to understand and apreciate the backups |
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| 09:36.43 | bobslaede | tralala: yeah... well... i cant remember what stuff was there |
| 09:36.46 | nikos | i just wante latest krnels and letast packages |
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| 09:37.10 | mikeX | nikos: for your own good, and everyone else's, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 09:37.15 | nikos | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ |
| 09:37.19 | nikos | which binary? |
| 09:37.23 | _d_a_v_i_d_ | nikos, have you considered ubuntu? It's just like debian, and has all the bleeding-edge packages you want! |
| 09:37.32 | bobslaede | tralala: cant be important if i dont remember what was there..... |
| 09:37.51 | Supaplex | _d_a_v_i_d_: oh yea, and the ubuntu people can manage him now. :) |
| 09:37.53 | tralala | bobslaede: good thinking :) |
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| 09:38.01 | mikeX | plus you get one more channel to troll nikos, it's really fun |
| 09:38.09 | grussu | hi, I ave some problem whit debian 31r2 for sparc |
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| 09:38.14 | nikos | mikeX, shut the fuck up |
| 09:38.19 | grussu | debian remapping the kernel booting linux |
| 09:38.25 | nikos | which binary? |
| 09:38.26 | mikeX | aah, getting worked up eh? tsk tsk |
| 09:38.27 | nikos | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ |
| 09:38.30 | Doqnach[AWAY] | morning people, I have a question: I need imagemagick for php5, so I found a package at http://people.debian.org/~kay/debian/dists/stable/php5-imagick/binary-i386/ |
| 09:38.30 | grussu | and don't start |
| 09:38.33 | Supaplex | nikos: /ignore * all mikeX |
| 09:38.43 | bobslaede | tralala: better setup my backup system today then |
| 09:38.44 | nikos | Supaplex, i will Supaplex thanks |
| 09:38.44 | grussu | sorry for my bad english |
| 09:38.47 | Doqnach[AWAY] | but if I install that through apt-get I don't get anything except an imagick.so |
| 09:38.54 | mikeX | Supaplex: yeah he should know, i did that on him the other day |
| 09:38.57 | Doqnach[AWAY] | I should get a convert util shouldn't I ? |
| 09:38.59 | incorrect | does anyone if i can get nagios 2 debs? backports and apt-get doesn't seem to be much use. |
| 09:39.01 | mikeX | thought I'd have a laugh today |
| 09:39.08 | grussu | tanks |
| 09:39.15 | tralala | bobslaede: I strongly recommend that. |
| 09:39.20 | Gnea | avtobiff: they are mutually exclusive of each other |
| 09:39.42 | Gnea | wtf...nevermind |
| 09:39.50 | nikos | guys do you have an idea on what .iso shoudl i downlaod from that page? |
| 09:39.53 | bobslaede | tralala: yeah... |
| 09:40.07 | Supaplex | nikos: yea, all sarge people know that. |
| 09:40.09 | liable | !breastfeed nikos |
| 09:40.18 | nikos | File: debian-20060507-i386-binary-9.iso 650240 KB 05/08/2006 12:44:0 |
| 09:40.20 | nikos | this oen perhaps? |
| 09:40.24 | nikos | its the latest |
| 09:40.24 | Gnea | nikos: iso? for what? |
| 09:40.34 | nikos | will it be the last sid full iso distro? |
| 09:40.38 | _d_a_v_i_d_ | nikos: yes. |
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| 09:40.55 | Gnea | nikos: oh, you want the latest sid iso? no, it will continue to be developed always |
| 09:41.08 | Supaplex | it's already obsolete if it's an iso |
| 09:41.17 | K|NgGh0sT | Where is my.cnf located? |
| 09:41.17 | Gnea | yup |
| 09:41.33 | liable | !tell K|NgGh0sT about search |
| 09:41.34 | tralala | K|NgGh0sT: locate my.cnf |
| 09:41.38 | K|NgGh0sT | oh ya |
| 09:41.38 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: locate my.cnf |
| 09:41.41 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: /etc/mysql/ perhaps. |
| 09:41.42 | K|NgGh0sT | been a long night |
| 09:41.55 | Supaplex | same here. I'm just guessing. |
| 09:42.03 | Doqnach | find / -name my.cnf :-P |
| 09:42.06 | Ronin | nikos: and has someone mentioned that sid breaks? a lot! and i doubt supported in any debian irc channel |
| 09:42.08 | nikos | is this the correct iso please? |
| 09:42.12 | Doqnach | but anyone here has imagick for php5? |
| 09:42.20 | Supaplex | grep -F my.cnf /dev/hda |
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| 09:42.23 | zu22 | nikos: >please< read the Debian FAQ (in Greek) -> http://www.debian.gr/?q=node/14 |
| 09:42.25 | Gnea | nikos: can't answer you until you answer me |
| 09:42.41 | appelza | whats the command to add scripts in init.d to autostart on debian? |
| 09:42.51 | Gnea | appelza: update-rc.d |
| 09:42.57 | tralala | Ronin: only a few hundred times until now. It doesn't seem enough though. |
| 09:43.04 | appelza | usage, update-rc.d scriptname ? |
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| 09:43.14 | Gnea | appelza: usage, man update-rc.d |
| 09:43.18 | appelza | :) |
| 09:43.19 | appelza | thanks. |
| 09:43.22 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:43.27 | Supaplex | it is documented :) |
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| 09:43.32 | Ronin | tralala: fair enough, still trying to wake up here :) |
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| 09:43.59 | nikos | ok backports then |
| 09:44.12 | nikos | can at leats put backpots.org ikn myu sources.list? |
| 09:44.13 | zu22 | ronin: just stay awake all night like me then you don't have to worry about waking up (almost 6am) :P |
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| 09:44.25 | Supaplex | nikos: yes |
| 09:44.27 | Ronin | zu22: im too old for that crap now |
| 09:44.30 | zu22 | nikos: did you read the FAQ i just pasted the link for? |
| 09:44.33 | zu22 | ronin: heh |
| 09:44.34 | Gnea | nikos: what crack are you smoking and who's your dealer? |
| 09:44.44 | K|NgGh0sT | argh |
| 09:44.50 | K|NgGh0sT | well next question then |
| 09:44.53 | Angels2 | Is there a command which lists me installed packages f.e "apt-installed php*" |
| 09:44.55 | zu22 | Gnea: looks like he is smoking "backpot" ;) |
| 09:44.58 | Supaplex | @ARGV :) |
| 09:45.01 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I find what users are created in mysql |
| 09:45.04 | Gnea | zu22: lol |
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| 09:45.11 | Doqnach | anabain: dpkg -l |
| 09:45.11 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:45.12 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: mysql.user table. |
| 09:45.22 | gypsymauro | given a file there is a command that show the absolute path? |
| 09:45.25 | Doqnach | and grep that list |
| 09:45.28 | Angels2 | Doqnach: thanks |
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| 09:45.39 | Gnea | gypsymauro: locate file |
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| 09:46.14 | tralala | gypsymauro: a shell command? |
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| 09:46.23 | zu22 | nikos: i repeat, did you read the FAQ (in Greek) which I postd the link to here? |
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| 09:46.31 | zu22 | s/postd/posted |
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| 09:46.35 | Gnea | zu22: nikos doesn't know how to read. |
| 09:46.43 | gypsymauro | tralala: yes |
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| 09:46.49 | Doqnach | gypsymauro: pwd gives you full path of current working dir |
| 09:46.56 | zu22 | Gnea: yeah it seems like that is the case, no more help from me in that case |
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| 09:47.09 | Gnea | zu22: yup |
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| 09:47.13 | gypsymauro | Doqnach: I need the full path of the file |
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| 09:47.21 | tralala | gypsymauro: ${PWD}$relative_file_path is the absolute path |
| 09:47.27 | Supaplex | !confuse nikos |
| 09:47.27 | dpkg | Yes, those are your bacon tomorrow, nikos? wellies of the democracy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 09:47.48 | K|NgGh0sT | Supaplex, where is that? |
| 09:47.50 | Doqnach | anyone here experience with imagemagick ? |
| 09:47.51 | liable | yay |
| 09:48.02 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 09:48.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:48.04 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: what is what? |
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| 09:48.10 | liable | Doqnach: theres some good links to tutes in the docs for it. |
| 09:48.14 | K|NgGh0sT | mysql.user |
| 09:48.16 | mikeX | Angels2: you could also try "aptitude search php | grep '^i'" |
| 09:48.19 | Doqnach | well I tried to install it |
| 09:48.24 | tralala | gypsymauro: actually ${PWD}/$relative_file_path |
| 09:48.25 | Doqnach | but I'm not getting the convert utility |
| 09:48.34 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: mysql database, user table. mysql stores its user/acl crap in the mysql database. |
| 09:48.42 | ourbbs | guys and gals in midnight commander if you want to link the right side to another computer using ftp link how is this done 192.168.1.20 user password ?? |
| 09:48.44 | Doqnach | and I added the .so file to my php.ini and restarted apache but it doesn't show at phpinfo() |
| 09:48.46 | Gnea | Doqnach: what packages did you install, exactly? |
| 09:48.54 | incorrect | !backports |
| 09:48.54 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:49.06 | K|NgGh0sT | Supaplex, how do I access that? |
| 09:49.08 | Doqnach | ourbbs: user:password@192.168.1.20 |
| 09:49.08 | tralala | ourbbs: it is documented |
| 09:49.14 | blondie | Doqnach: why did you add it? dpkg adds it for you |
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| 09:49.22 | blondie | EMR |
| 09:49.22 | ourbbs | thanks great stuff take a bow |
| 09:49.22 | blondie | ERM |
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| 09:49.25 | Doqnach | blondie: it didn't O_o |
| 09:49.26 | ^Nikos | ok i backported xchat |
| 09:49.29 | blondie | actually |
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| 09:49.32 | ^Nikos | v2.6.1 |
| 09:49.35 | zu22 | He's b-a-a-a-ck! |
| 09:49.37 | ^Nikos | and xchat-common |
| 09:49.40 | Gnea | ^Nikos: where is it? |
| 09:49.42 | Doqnach | http://people.debian.org/~kay/debian/dists/stable/php5-imagick/binary-i386/ <== |
| 09:49.53 | blondie | Doqnach: oh, dunno about that |
| 09:50.03 | Gnea | Doqnach: that doesn't look official |
| 09:50.06 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: with the mysql client. check mysql.com for all the fun details. Eg, mysql -u <user> -p <database> (-p = prompt for password) |
| 09:50.09 | tralala | Ciaran_H: that wouldn't have been half the fun |
| 09:50.10 | Doqnach | I couldn't find a php5 package |
| 09:50.30 | Gnea | Doqnach: for sarge? probably not, unless there's a backport |
| 09:50.34 | ^Nikos | cn i add soemthign to sources.list fro abckports |
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| 09:50.43 | ^Nikos | to show me packahges from there? |
| 09:50.49 | Gnea | !tell ^Nikos about backports |
| 09:50.55 | Vasistha | ^Nikos: did you try looking on the backports website for that information? |
| 09:51.01 | tralala | ^Nikos: yes, you can - as written on the backports page |
| 09:51.01 | Supaplex | ^Nikos: we already said yes to that question. |
| 09:51.11 | Doqnach | link to the backport website? |
| 09:51.14 | Ciaran_H | tralala: Oh, I'm not saying you shouldn't have warned him. But you did, and he pretty much ignored you. |
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| 09:51.19 | Gnea | !backports |
| 09:51.19 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:51.42 | Gnea | Ciaran_H: he ignored me and a lot of other people, too. thus, he is an idiot. |
| 09:51.54 | Doqnach | no package on there |
| 09:52.04 | Ciaran_H | Gnea: Yeah, I noticed. |
| 09:52.07 | Vasistha | ...and he clearly has a lot of friends! |
| 09:52.07 | zu22 | I even posted a link to a Debian FAQ in his native language and he wouldn't read it (sigh) |
| 09:52.10 | Supaplex | we should rename sid to "flaming-cocktail-of-crewl-death" |
| 09:52.13 | Gnea | Doqnach: considered upgrading? |
| 09:52.15 | Ciaran_H | I meant a general "you". |
| 09:52.16 | Supaplex | or something |
| 09:52.21 | Doqnach | Gnea: to? |
| 09:52.28 | Gnea | Doqnach: etch |
| 09:52.49 | Doqnach | problem is, it's a vhost so I don't think I have that liberty |
| 09:52.57 | tralala | Ciaran_H: No, that's not what I meant. Would you want to miss all that fun, e.g. nikos cannot read web pages and cannot find the download link at fsn.hu? |
| 09:53.04 | mikeX | Vasistha: more like a fan club |
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| 09:53.17 | Ciaran_H | tralala: Fair enough. |
| 09:53.30 | Ciaran_H | tralala: You're right. |
| 09:53.34 | Vasistha | mikeX: well, he must, because he clearly feels like he can throw away potential friends with impunity... |
| 09:53.49 | mikeX | zu22: he comes to greek channels too, there's no stopping him |
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| 09:53.54 | mikeX | asks the exact same things |
| 09:54.11 | Gnea | mikeX: oh yeah? |
| 09:54.15 | handsome | hello everybody, I am new to debian. |
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| 09:54.27 | handsome | what is it's system requirements for desktop users? |
| 09:54.33 | Doqnach | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php-imagick/php-imagick_0.9.11+1-2/changelog |
| 09:54.33 | mikeX | even if he gets an answer, he leaves with an arrogand note about how we are not helping him, and the efnet or freenode or whatever networks are so much better, ... |
| 09:54.35 | Gnea | !tell handsome about newbie_guide |
| 09:54.37 | Doqnach | how could I get that one? |
| 09:54.57 | Gnea | Doqnach: with apt |
| 09:55.03 | tralala | handsome: you can easily find out if you read debian.org |
| 09:55.05 | Ciaran_H | I'm just waiting for somebody to ask "hey all how do i upgrade to POTATO i read it was teh latest unstable!!!!!11" |
| 09:55.11 | Vasistha | y'know... some people are like that... some people are raised like that. My Mom's a piano teacher, she has these students who are just the most celf-centered richkid brats. Gotta feel sorry for them tho, because their mother doesn't have time for them. They're astonishingly demanding |
| 09:55.13 | Doqnach | what sources.list line would I need?> |
| 09:55.33 | Gnea | Ciaran_H: had someone asking about upgrading woody a few months ago - it's very rare |
| 09:55.43 | kgoetz | does Debian have a bts like bugzilla, or does it only use the email thing? |
| 09:55.57 | tralala | kgoetz: bugs.debian.org |
| 09:55.57 | Ciaran_H | kgoetz: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 09:56.07 | Gnea | Vasistha: i choose not to feel sorry for them. |
| 09:56.10 | kgoetz | Ciaran_H: thanks |
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| 09:56.26 | Vasistha | handsome: as a bit of anecdotal evidence, I run sarge on a 300 mhz laptop with 192 mb ram, including kde. It's kinda sluggish, but I'm happy with it. |
| 09:57.02 | Gnea | handsome: it's going to depend on what sort of desktop you want |
| 09:57.12 | tralala | Vasistha: I think plenty of us felt sorry for the poor fellow and gave him real advices. |
| 09:57.12 | Gnea | Vasistha: have you ever tried fluxbox? |
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| 09:58.09 | Vasistha | Gnea: perhaps once. now that I'm so much more familiar with the command line, it might be time to try again. Thing is, I love so many k apps, including the little toys like kweather and kmoon |
| 09:58.15 | Doqnach | can anyone give me the line to use in sources.list to get that unstable imagick package? |
| 09:58.17 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me, what is this appletalk services thing? and can it be disabled? |
| 09:58.37 | zu22 | i just manually reviewed every package installed on my machine with synaptic (took ~4 hours), cut my total packages down by 40% :) |
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| 09:58.44 | mosty | appletalk is old school mac filesharing, you can turn it off if you don't want it |
| 09:58.46 | Gnea | Vasistha: nothing wrong with that, but you may find a bit of an overall performance boost by switching your main wm |
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| 09:58.53 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: If you really want an unstable package, read up about pinning first. |
| 09:59.06 | Doqnach | and where can I do that? |
| 09:59.07 | brownie17 | mosty, never have and never will connect with a mac, it takes ages to load, how can i uninstall it? |
| 09:59.19 | brownie17 | mosty, or at least disable it |
| 09:59.20 | blondie | apt-get remove netatalk |
| 09:59.20 | Vasistha | Gnea: other thing is, I run an inverse color scheme and it just takes hours to get all the colors set up in all the applications and stuff. But yeah, I'll probably try it again at some point. thanks for the nudge. |
| 09:59.21 | blondie | I think |
| 09:59.25 | Gnea | Doqnach: there's no imagemagick backport? |
| 09:59.28 | mosty | brownie17, what blondie said |
| 09:59.31 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 09:59.34 | Doqnach | Gnea: not that I can find... maybe you can |
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| 10:00.01 | Gnea | Doqnach: and, weren't you looking for the convert command? |
| 10:00.07 | Doqnach | Could not locate remote server @ Ciaran_H |
| 10:00.14 | mosty | zu22: consider using debfoster next time |
| 10:00.16 | brownie17 | thanks guys |
| 10:00.19 | Doqnach | Gnea: the convert command of imagick, yes |
| 10:00.21 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: Works for me. |
| 10:00.40 | zu22 | mosty: ok :) |
| 10:00.42 | Doqnach | Ciaran_H: ah, does again now |
| 10:00.48 | blondie | you don't need any PHP imagemagick packages for that |
| 10:00.54 | Gnea | Doqnach: nope, came up dry here |
| 10:01.07 | mosty | zu22: it's probably faster, assuming you know what you do want installed |
| 10:01.30 | zu22 | mosty: cool thx |
| 10:01.50 | Gnea | Doqnach: but the imagemagick package does have convert - in /usr/bin/convert |
| 10:01.58 | Vasistha | Gnea: say, do you know of a good place to discuss the variety of WMs and DEs? those discussions often move towards flame wars... but after a few years, I've got some itchy questions |
| 10:02.10 | Doqnach | Gnea: the one I just installed didn't |
| 10:02.21 | Doqnach | and there isn't a stable of php5-imagick package |
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| 10:02.59 | Doqnach | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 10:02.59 | Doqnach | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 10:02.59 | Doqnach | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 10:03.04 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: You'd probably be best sticking with php4 for now, actually. |
| 10:03.07 | Doqnach | I get that Ciaran_H when following that tutorial |
| 10:03.15 | Doqnach | Ciaran_H: I need php5 because of the OOP |
| 10:03.36 | blondie | PHP5 is evil |
| 10:03.40 | mosty | doqnach: non-us no longer exists, does it? |
| 10:03.55 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: Use netselect-apt to get some good servers. |
| 10:04.01 | Vasistha | blondie: why? not that I doubt you, just curious |
| 10:04.13 | przem | Hello when I try to remove kdebluetooth package from my system I get an error like that http://pastebin.com/726262 what should I do? |
| 10:04.15 | blondie | Vasistha: it's not compatible with php4 code |
| 10:04.22 | blondie | well, not 10)% |
| 10:04.24 | blondie | *100% |
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| 10:05.01 | bibe | blondie : if I should write a php application from scratch, will php5 be *evil* too (from your point of view)? |
| 10:05.04 | Vasistha | blondie: meaning it's a lot of work to move php4 code to a php5 system? |
| 10:05.09 | Gnea | Vasistha: glad you pointed that out, well go ahead and ask, maybe we can weed out some llamas |
| 10:05.16 | cafuego | Vasistha: No, it normally just runs. |
| 10:05.31 | blondie | Vasistha: not really, just a few things break |
| 10:05.39 | blondie | bibe: maybe! :p |
| 10:05.51 | mosty | my gripe with php5 is that you can't install the apache module simultaneously with php4 |
| 10:05.58 | Vasistha | blondie: that's hardly enough to call it evil ;-) |
| 10:06.55 | Vasistha | Gnea: I remember when I first got into linux... 3 years ago or so, this guy drew me a diagram trying to explain the relationship between WM, X, DE -- that they go in that order, basically, but there are funny compatibility and optimization issues |
| 10:07.05 | faber3 | is the RAID1 support inside debian / linux reliable or should i buy a RAID controller? |
| 10:07.12 | Doqnach | vs138034:/etc/apt# netselect-apt |
| 10:07.12 | Doqnach | -su: netselect-apt: command not found |
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| 10:07.26 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: Yeah, you need to install it first. |
| 10:07.34 | Doqnach | right, not a default package then |
| 10:07.38 | Ciaran_H | No. |
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| 10:08.12 | Ciaran_H | And you'd be best off not running it from /etc/apt for now, since it puts a sources.list in the current directory. |
| 10:08.35 | fireba11 | faber3 software raid support is working nicely ... |
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| 10:08.47 | Doqnach | arg |
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| 10:08.52 | Doqnach | another set of error |
| 10:08.53 | Doqnach | s |
| 10:09.07 | Doqnach | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 10:09.08 | Doqnach | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 10:09.08 | faber3 | fireba11: what can software raid do when one disk brakes ? |
| 10:09.17 | faber3 | fireba11: can it send an email? |
| 10:09.24 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: That doesn't matter so much, that's the problem you're fixing. |
| 10:09.34 | Doqnach | k |
| 10:09.40 | fireba11 | faber3: yes .. or whatever else you want it to do |
| 10:09.41 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: Hopefully netselect-apt installed anyway. |
| 10:09.48 | Ema_Nymton | Bonjour, dites je suis newbie sous debian : quelle ligne je dois ajouter ma source liste pour qu'apt aille cherche rt2500-source ( sur cette page y a marqu unstable et testing : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=rt2500-source) ... svp ! |
| 10:09.57 | Gnea | Vasistha: that is hilarious. basically, different WMs use more of less resources than others and DEs do more to integrate applications into the desktop and X just kicks back and drives it all :) |
| 10:10.02 | fireba11 | faber3: have a look at mdadm |
| 10:10.04 | Ciaran_H | !french |
| 10:10.04 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 10:10.06 | faber3 | fireba11: what else could it do? how does the kernel send me an email? what do i need in userspace for that? |
| 10:10.09 | Doqnach | seems it did yes |
| 10:10.55 | fireba11 | faber3: well obviously you need a working mailserver ... but you need that for all status/warning mails so you have it by default in debian anyway |
| 10:10.59 | mosty | faber3, there is a userspace daemon that looks after the raid |
| 10:11.02 | ircdevil | is there a tool for rotating an ascii table? |
| 10:11.03 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: Cool. :) |
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| 10:11.24 | faber3 | mosty: would you guys use a hot spare ? |
| 10:11.27 | Doqnach | thanks for all the help everyone, gotta go to lecture now |
| 10:11.33 | Doqnach | will be back later to give it another go |
| 10:11.34 | Doqnach | cya |
| 10:11.36 | Ciaran_H | Doqnach: See ya later. |
| 10:11.59 | mosty | ircdevil, gcipher ? |
| 10:12.19 | Ciaran_H | ircdevil: You mean, to do things like rot13 and such? |
| 10:12.36 | ircdevil | turn columns into rows and rows into columns |
| 10:12.44 | mosty | faber3, depends on the situation |
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| 10:13.21 | Vasistha | Gnea: Well, I think I understand pretty well what a DE is. Does it usually call higher level functions that are either in the X library or in the WM library? |
| 10:13.29 | faber3 | mosty: well, i guess i dont really need a hot spare. can i hot swap a disk with linux? |
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| 10:13.46 | mosty | ircdevil: you want the transpose of a matrix? matlab or octave could do that i guess |
| 10:13.54 | Vasistha | faber3: depends on your hardware, probably |
| 10:14.06 | ircdevil | mosty: i was hoping for something more simple |
| 10:14.13 | fireba11 | faber3: yes .. if your hardware supports it .. theoretically you can even hotswap IDE .. |
| 10:14.22 | mosty | faber3: i don't think you can hot swap ide or sata drives, but you can hot swap firewire or usb drives i guess |
| 10:14.37 | mosty | well not on everyday pc hardware i mean |
| 10:14.38 | Vasistha | ircdevil: I think I saw a bash script to do that in the abs guide |
| 10:15.16 | ircdevil | Vasistha: that suggests no simple tool exists :o/ |
| 10:15.36 | fireba11 | mosty faber3 some SATA ahrdware already supports hotswap ... but actually using it is not trivial |
| 10:16.12 | faber3 | so say drive 1 brakes. it sends me an email. what do i do to fix the situation? |
| 10:16.15 | Vasistha | ircdevil: well... uh... what format are the columns and fields in? what kind of data is it? |
| 10:16.16 | mosty | faber3, what do you want to use raid for? |
| 10:16.34 | faber3 | mosty: i want raid 1 so i am protected when one of the drives brakes |
| 10:16.55 | faber3 | mosty: and i dont have hassle with restoring from backup |
| 10:16.59 | mosty | faber3, well in the case of raid1, you would shutdown the machine, replace the broken drive and then rebuild the raid array |
| 10:17.19 | ircdevil | Vasistha: acii, tab separated. |
| 10:17.26 | ircdevil | Vasistha: numerical |
| 10:17.29 | faber3 | mosty: 1) what is "rebuild" the raid array? 2) how do i know which drive failed? |
| 10:17.32 | Gnea | Vasistha: depends on the system in use... KDE and Gnome roll it all together, so yes. There are other WMs that have a different code & library structures that don't push as much crap into memory as others do |
| 10:17.34 | fireba11 | faber3: also please note that in any case a raid1 should be only part of your backup concept |
| 10:18.36 | Vasistha | ircdevil: I wonder if I could write a bash script in ten minutes or less :D no, wait, I forgot, I haven't learned how to do bash arrays yet. But I'll check that abs guide |
| 10:18.51 | mosty | faber3, you "rebuild" the raid array of disks when you add or remove drives. it involves formatting of the new drive, and copying data etc, and is done for you automatically |
| 10:18.57 | faber3 | fireba11: yes. i will still have a nightly incremental |
| 10:19.04 | fireba11 | faber3: mdadm tells you which drive failed and manages the rebuilding |
| 10:19.26 | faber3 | mosty: so basically: shutdown. replace. boot. done ? no hassle? |
| 10:19.56 | fireba11 | faber3: 2 or 3 lines to add the drive to mdadm .. but no more, yes |
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| 10:20.10 | honschu | _/-=- ( May I serve you ? ) - =-_ |
| 10:20.21 | fireba11 | faber3: and wait for it to rebuild .. :-) that is done while you can already use the system so no sewat :-) |
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| 10:20.29 | mosty | faber3, pretty much yes. disk access will be slower while the array is being rebuilt, for maybe half an hour for an average sized new hard drive |
| 10:20.30 | ircdevil | Vasistha: its ok, i can hack my own if need be |
| 10:21.14 | Vasistha | Gnea: so the wm is also going to have a real impact on system resource use, eh? good to know... |
| 10:21.18 | faber3 | fireba11: mmhh... why do i have to tell mdadm about the new drive? it should find an unformatted /dev/hdc and just start rebuilding? or does it need to initialize the disk ? |
| 10:21.33 | appelza | ive screwed up my locale settings, where do i fix em? :P |
| 10:21.40 | Vasistha | ircdevil: I would expect there would be a command-line tool. Have you tried searching p.d.o? |
| 10:21.41 | mosty | ircdevil, use octave. it's one small line. it's essentially matlab syntax |
| 10:22.06 | fireba11 | faber3: you might want to use the disk for something else though ... guess its safer that way |
| 10:22.09 | mosty | faber3, you need to ask mdadm to add new drives |
| 10:22.40 | fireba11 | faber3: also you could have a more complex setup with multiple drives and raids ... |
| 10:23.14 | faber3 | fireba11: ok. i am asking because a disk failure is a stress situation and usually i am not good then to read manuals and stuff |
| 10:23.25 | ircdevil | mosty: note taken :o) |
| 10:23.36 | mosty | faber3, well take a look at the md docs now :) |
| 10:23.56 | fireba11 | faber3 the just note the md line you need for adding somewhere in yuor emergency manual :_) |
| 10:23.59 | faber3 | mosty: when it brakes, i dont remember |
| 10:24.18 | faber3 | fireba11: yes, i should have such a manual |
| 10:24.22 | chenz | mmh, i'm missing mesa and sdl api man pages on my newly installed sid system. have they been removed? |
| 10:24.30 | mosty | ircdevil, if you have a matrix in octave named a, then a' is the transpose |
| 10:24.48 | mosty | faber3, with raid1 the machine still works when a drive dies- you can read the docs again then |
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| 10:26.50 | Vasistha | Gnea: what KINDS of things to the wm, X, de do, though? For example, could you (easily) name say two easily understandable functions that each would do as a part of routine use? |
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| 10:27.35 | di | hi, agpgart put my ati rage 128 card into 1x mode |
| 10:27.39 | adrian | fuc |
| 10:27.40 | adrian | + 5 ?k |
| 10:27.44 | di | how to i put it back to 4x? |
| 10:28.16 | di | agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 1x mode |
| 10:28.33 | tralala | di: does the performance suffer? |
| 10:28.44 | di | yes |
| 10:28.51 | di | on 3d games like chromium |
| 10:29.02 | adrian | i like lineage 2!!! |
| 10:29.11 | adrian | mugaaaaaaa lugaaaaa |
| 10:29.14 | tralala | di: is that sarge? |
| 10:29.22 | adrian | i like lineage 2!!! |
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| 10:29.31 | di | testing |
| 10:29.41 | di | same thing happened in ubuntu last time |
| 10:29.49 | Vasistha | wow, debhelper is great -- that was really responsive! |
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| 10:31.37 | di | tralala: i mean etch |
| 10:32.14 | tralala | di: yeah, I got that. I have no ideas though. It will be interesting to try sarge if you can. |
| 10:32.23 | Vasistha | alright, night all, mucho worko tomorro |
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| 10:32.45 | Kupal[]_ | HELP! :) with a capital F!! :P :(( |
| 10:32.56 | di | tralala: no thanks, i like gnome 2.14 |
| 10:32.59 | di | :) |
| 10:33.10 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: just ask your question |
| 10:33.11 | di | can anyone else help with agpgart? |
| 10:33.19 | Kupal[]_ | I have a a curropted fstab and can't remount / rw how can i fix fstab without rescue cd.. (working with 1u box, don't want to open it ) |
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| 10:33.26 | Kupal[]_ | Vasistha:Im being dramatic. |
| 10:33.32 | di | agpgart put my ati rage 128 card into 1x mode, how do i place it into 4x? |
| 10:33.37 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: are you logged in? |
| 10:33.46 | Kupal[]_ | yeah |
| 10:34.00 | Kupal[]_ | its wierd.. Im surprised it booted with a broken fstab |
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| 10:34.15 | Kupal[]_ | btw, my initrd has busy box, anyway i can tell grub to hook me up ? |
| 10:34.28 | xxyyzz | Hi, I just downloaded and booted off Debian on my other computer. |
| 10:34.31 | xxyyzz | How do I open the GUI? |
| 10:34.46 | SlayerXP | xxyyzz: "booted off debian" ? |
| 10:34.53 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: if I were you I would definitely stay on the command line until you've got your fstab sorted out |
| 10:34.54 | tralala | di: wait a sec! Rage 128? Isn't that a bit old? Are you sure it is 4x? |
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| 10:35.15 | xxyyzz | SlayerXP, yeah, I repartitioned the whole HD and then it told me to eject the CD, and now it's running Debian... |
| 10:35.25 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: do you know how to use the mount command as root to mount volumes, without using the fstab entries? |
| 10:35.29 | Kupal[]_ | I can get back here, i rebooted twice already |
| 10:35.39 | SlayerXP | xxyyzz: okay. did you install X and some kind of desktop environment? |
| 10:35.41 | Kupal[]_ | mount /dev/md0 / -o rw,remount |
| 10:35.49 | xxyyzz | I don't think so :( |
| 10:35.50 | xxyyzz | What is X? |
| 10:35.58 | xxyyzz | SlayerXP, I used the minimal CD package... |
| 10:36.04 | Kupal[]_ | grub also has a F* up device.map |
| 10:36.05 | di | tralala: it can play unreal GOTY in windows |
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| 10:36.24 | di | and did 3d on anothe distro well once |
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| 10:36.29 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: that's a start. do you have any recollection of which volumes were mounted at which points? |
| 10:36.30 | SlayerXP | xxyyzz: that's why then. you need to install some kind of desktop system. "apt-get install kde" is a reasonable place to start |
| 10:36.37 | Kupal[]_ | im not sure how the mbr got trashed but my mbr and fstab are curropt, supprisingly i can still get back in. |
| 10:36.40 | tralala | di: it doesn't mean that it's 4x |
| 10:36.47 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: ...and which volumes exist in your system? |
| 10:37.12 | xxyyzz | SlayerXP, it said: ":Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)" |
| 10:37.22 | Kupal[]_ | i really just have a / vol |
| 10:37.24 | xxyyzz | ":Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
| 10:37.27 | xxyyzz | Should I log in as root? |
| 10:37.30 | Kupal[]_ | and then swap, proc , dev ... etc etc |
| 10:37.31 | xxyyzz | Sorry I'm very new to this. |
| 10:37.39 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: btw, before you get in too deep ... if you have another computer running linux, you might consider putting that hard drive in as a second in the other computer, then you can poke at it without relying on it as root |
| 10:37.41 | xxyyzz | But I'm glad I'm no longer running OS 9 - this is so cool :)) |
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| 10:38.11 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: yes, log in as root, then apt-get install kde |
| 10:38.13 | di | tralala: its ait rage 128 pro |
| 10:38.21 | Kupal[]_ | Vasistha, yeah i know that is true too.. |
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| 10:38.28 | Kupal[]_ | Vasistha just sucks i can't use my bb |
| 10:38.29 | xxyyzz | Okay, I did that, it said: ": Couldn't find package kde" |
| 10:38.40 | Kupal[]_ | Im considering breaking the raid and mount /dev/hdc2 as / |
| 10:38.40 | tralala | di: okay |
| 10:38.44 | Kupal[]_ | then fixing the tab |
| 10:38.49 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: oh, you've got raid |
| 10:39.10 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: that would have been some good info to start with! :-) I don't have any experience with raid. |
| 10:39.17 | Kupal[]_ | i.e. /dev/md0 |
| 10:39.17 | di | ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF |
| 10:39.21 | Kupal[]_ | read hehehehe |
| 10:39.24 | Kupal[]_ | su its their.. :) |
| 10:39.36 | Kupal[]_ | lol hope im not sounding like a jerk :) |
| 10:39.38 | Vasistha | Kupal[]_: yeah, just before you came in I said I was going to bed... which I really should be... |
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| 10:39.47 | Kupal[]_ | damn im a double lamer with lol and :) |
| 10:40.01 | Kupal[]_ | Vasistha: thank you my friend for helping ... |
| 10:40.15 | gnube | When running apache, on a production machine, it seems that apache speaks to the remote host through many ports. |
| 10:40.18 | xxyyzz | What happens if Debian can't find kde? |
| 10:40.36 | blondie | xxyyzz: it celebrates |
| 10:40.48 | xxyyzz | blondie :( |
| 10:40.55 | xxyyzz | I'm trying to get the Debian GUI to work... |
| 10:41.06 | xxyyzz | 'Cause as much as I love that this isn't OS 9.0, I don't wanna stare at a black screen for the rest of my life =( |
| 10:41.11 | gnube | Could apache be triping a port scanning detecting software package on the remote machine? |
| 10:41.37 | blondie | -e |
| 10:41.41 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: do you have internet connectivity? can you ping google.com ? (press Ctrl+C to stop the pinging) |
| 10:41.57 | xxyyzz | Vasistha, nope, the other computer can't connect to the internet :( |
| 10:42.13 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: if you're not connected to the internet, you won't be able to apt-get anything |
| 10:42.16 | tralala | xxyyzz: aptitude search kde |
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| 10:42.24 | xxyyzz | When I configured Debian (30 seconds ago), none of the PPP settings let me select my broadband modem... |
| 10:42.33 | blondie | Vasistha: you will if you have it stored locally |
| 10:42.36 | blondie | like a CD |
| 10:42.39 | xxyyzz | tralala, nothing happened - just went to the next line |
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| 10:43.19 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: here's an idea... log out as root, go back to your normal user. then type startx |
| 10:43.28 | tralala | xxyyzz: how many debian CDs do you have? |
| 10:43.38 | yage | Is it possible to autosign mails? I mutt for example, without asking anytime for a passphrase? Or keeping the pass in ram is considered armful? |
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| 10:43.50 | xxyyzz | Vasistha: "bash: startx: command not found" |
| 10:44.00 | xxyyzz | tralala, I only downloaded one - the minimal Debian CD (it was about 200MB) |
| 10:44.28 | tralala | xxyyzz: this is for a network installation which you cannot do without a network connection |
| 10:44.29 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: just one more check: ls /usr |
| 10:44.47 | Vasistha | does the /usr directory have a folder called X11 or something like that? |
| 10:44.56 | xxyyzz | Vasistha: "in doc games include info lib local sbin share src" <- "info" is a different colour to the others |
| 10:45.16 | xxyyzz | tralala, I have the internet, but I don't know how to make Debian talk to my broadband modem (it's external)... I think it only knows about my internal modem, which doesn't work |
| 10:45.46 | xxyyzz | Vasistha, it only returned one line (the line I typed) |
| 10:45.48 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: yeah, maybe it's light blue vs dark blue? info is what we call a "symlink" or "softlink" (you'll learn more about that later) and the others are directories. |
| 10:45.51 | tralala | xxyyzz: what brand/model is your external modem? |
| 10:46.15 | xxyyzz | tralala, D-Link ADSL Modem DSL-302G |
| 10:46.54 | xxyyzz | Should I download another Debian install CD on this computer, and then try to install it onto the other computer? |
| 10:47.10 | xxyyzz | 'Cause I don't really know a thing about Debian yet... I was hoping it would have a GUI, so I could ease myself into the command line stuff slowly =/ |
| 10:47.14 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: does that modem have a builtin router? in other words... the computer you're using now, is that one also connected to the dlink? |
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| 10:47.28 | xxyyzz | Vasistha, yep, they're both on the same modem |
| 10:47.38 | xxyyzz | This one's on the USB port, the other one's on the ethernet port |
| 10:47.50 | tralala | xxyyzz: so you have an ethernet connection to the modem? |
| 10:47.59 | xxyyzz | Yeah, on the Debian computer |
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| 10:48.05 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: thank you so much for saying that. you'll want to plug it in using the ethernet if at all possible |
| 10:48.13 | tralala | what is your network card? |
| 10:48.19 | xxyyzz | Yep it's already plugged in |
| 10:48.21 | jalsti | when using 'apt-get upgrade' with the options '-qq' and '-u' - will the updated packages still be shown? |
| 10:48.32 | Vasistha | xxyyzz: it can sometimes be very difficult to get ethernet working through usb |
| 10:48.43 | xxyyzz | I don't think it has a network card... it's an iMac 350MHz (I think it's the last generation,' cause the CD drive doesn't go in and out) |
| 10:48.52 | tralala | xxyyzz: what do you see when you type ifconfig -a (use pastebin to paste) |
| 10:49.09 | xxyyzz | "bash: ipconfig: command not found" |
| 10:49.27 | Vasistha | that's ifconfig not ipconfig |
| 10:49.30 | xxyyzz | Do I have to log in as root to do that? |
| 10:49.40 | Foxure | ifconfig |
| 10:49.45 | xxyyzz | Oh sorry, I'll do it again |
| 10:49.51 | Vasistha | it might not be in your path, rather type /sbin/ifconfig |
| 10:50.00 | tralala | xxyyzz: yes as root |
| 10:50.16 | tralala | you need to work as root for the moment |
| 10:50.16 | xxyyzz | "ifconfig -a" didn't work, but the command Vasistha gave me worked |
| 10:50.25 | xxyyzz | Okay I will log in as root |
| 10:50.52 | xxyyzz | It typed a lot of stuff, it will take me a sec to type this all up |
| 10:50.55 | xxyyzz | I will put it on pastebin, brb |
| 10:51.09 | Vasistha | what a great guy |
| 10:51.18 | Vasistha | time for bed, hope he has a good experience. |
| 10:51.26 | ircdevil | mwuarhahrharharhahrha - this one is going top10 ! http://www.bash.org/?642195 |
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| 10:54.23 | xxyyzz | This is what it said: http://pastebin.com/726306 |
| 10:54.23 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:54.23 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:54.41 | Kupal[]_ | cool got it :) |
| 10:54.44 | Kupal[]_ | love that busybox!!! |
| 10:55.49 | K|NgGh0sT | whats the command to see your last boot? |
| 10:55.58 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: uptime |
| 10:56.00 | tralala | xxyyzz: you were expected to type ifconfig -a |
| 10:56.13 | xxyyzz | Oh sorry |
| 10:56.16 | xxyyzz | I will type that up |
| 10:56.18 | K|NgGh0sT | er, what all loaded during boot |
| 10:56.23 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: do you mean dmesg ? |
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| 10:56.45 | liable | heh, that actually was pretty funny. |
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| 11:00.53 | Angels2 | ircdevil: HARR! |
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| 11:01.19 | xxyyzz | tralala: This is what it said: http://pastebin.com/726315 |
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| 11:01.44 | ircdevil | Angels2: its going top10 !!! |
| 11:01.58 | Angels2 | ircdevil: :) |
| 11:02.12 | Angels2 | speak to me lika a pirate :p |
| 11:02.12 | tralala | xxyyzz: I think you've missed the first letters but that's ok |
| 11:02.17 | Tallu | ircdevil: hehe yeah that was pretty good |
| 11:02.29 | tralala | xxyyzz: does your modem assign IPs with DHCP? |
| 11:02.35 | xxyyzz | Yeah |
| 11:02.50 | tralala | xxyyzz: try dhclient eth0 |
| 11:03.07 | wombachi | aptitude allways want to remove "unused" debs. Is there a way (config) to stop it doing this? |
| 11:03.25 | Foxure | Hey, I want apache2 to NOT log something from 192.168.10.* any1 body knows if i can write som easy in apache2.conf for that? |
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| 11:03.36 | ircdevil | back when this one was new, i also predicted it would go top10 -> http://www.bash.org/?287414 |
| 11:03.39 | zu22 | ircdevil: what is going "top 10"? i missed it :) |
| 11:03.40 | xxyyzz | tralala, it worked... do you want me to type the whole thing up or a specific line? |
| 11:03.45 | tralala | no |
| 11:03.50 | xxyyzz | I don't mind typing the whole thing, but it will take me a while, and I hope you're not in a hurry =/ |
| 11:03.51 | wombachi | apt-get didnt removed "unused" packages.. |
| 11:03.59 | ircdevil | zu22: http://www.bash.org/?top |
| 11:04.04 | zu22 | ircdevil: ahh |
| 11:04.29 | liable | !be a pirate |
| 11:04.29 | dpkg | Yeaaaar! Thar she blows! |
| 11:04.44 | zu22 | ircdevil: bwhahahaha! classic |
| 11:04.54 | tralala | xxyyzz: I don't need it. Just type dig debian.org |
| 11:05.26 | xxyyzz | It said: "bash: dig: command not found" |
| 11:05.35 | tralala | xxyyzz: try host debian.org |
| 11:05.48 | xxyyzz | Same thing, but this time 'host' instead of 'dig' |
| 11:06.06 | liable | !installit |
| 11:06.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 11:06.22 | liable | hrm, i guess if you have net problems.. |
| 11:06.32 | tralala | xxyyzz: you are on a mac right? Do you know how to interrupt a programme? Like ctrl+c for a PC? |
| 11:06.59 | xxyyzz | To stop it from printing we do "CMD+fullstop(period)" |
| 11:07.16 | petemc | tralala: command q doesnt work? |
| 11:07.23 | tyler | anyone can help me? |
| 11:07.34 | xxyyzz | petemc, I just tried it, it just came up with "q" |
| 11:07.39 | petemc | which app? |
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| 11:07.49 | xxyyzz | I don't think Debian registers the command key (the one with an apple on it) |
| 11:07.54 | tralala | petemc: I need it for ping. Nevermind I will use an option |
| 11:08.01 | xxyyzz | petemc, I'm not sure what it's called... the big black screen when Debian starts up... |
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| 11:08.09 | petemc | right.. |
| 11:08.10 | tralala | xxyyzz: ping -c 4 debian.org |
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| 11:08.54 | xxyyzz | It said: "ING debian.org (192.25.206.10) 56(84) bytes of data. then a whole bunch of stuff, and then some debian.org ping statistics... |
| 11:08.59 | xxyyzz | Do you want me to type it all up? |
| 11:09.14 | tralala | xxyyzz: no, that's ok. YOu do have a network now. |
| 11:09.21 | tyler | i got gift p2p running but since i shutdown without properly doing it... seems to get this error: bash-3.00$ giftd |
| 11:09.22 | tyler | tyler giftd: share_db.c:331: rec_rdfinish: Assertion `rec->offs == rec->len' failed. |
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| 11:09.27 | tralala | xxyyzz: now do apt-setup and select a debian mirror |
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| 11:09.55 | davis | hello |
| 11:10.09 | xxyyzz | Oh my goodness! It's doing stuff! |
| 11:10.11 | xxyyzz | Thank you so much tralala! |
| 11:10.31 | tralala | xxyyzz: relax, don't panic! |
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| 11:11.18 | xxyyzz | It's downloaded 45%? Does that mean when it finishes there will be a GUI? *optimistic look* |
| 11:11.25 | tralala | xxyyzz: I guess you don't know how to use vi? |
| 11:11.40 | davis | i installed linux on a computer with a UK keyboard and I chose to use UK keyboard layout. Now I have gotten a US keyboard and I want to reconfigure the system. I did do dpkg-reconfigure locales to select us encoding but that did not solve my keyboard problems in vim. ie. when I type shift-3, I get a british pound symbol instead of a # symbol. Please advise. |
| 11:11.48 | xxyyzz | I don't know what it is, tralala :( |
| 11:11.52 | blondie | eurgh US keyboard |
| 11:11.53 | tralala | xxyyzz: no. You will need quite a download before you get the gui |
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| 11:12.14 | xxyyzz | I honestly know next to nothing about unix... I do want to learn... but @tm I just need a GUI so I don't freak out... the black screen is a bit off-putting... brings back memories of MS-DOS :( |
| 11:12.26 | max | hi everyon |
| 11:12.30 | xxyyzz | Hi max :) |
| 11:12.33 | Derevko | davis: dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data |
| 11:12.44 | max | how are you |
| 11:12.44 | dpkg | max: you know how it is... |
| 11:12.47 | liable | or the xserver for x |
| 11:12.56 | davis | Derevko: many thanks |
| 11:13.04 | liable | why did dpkg respond to that? |
| 11:13.09 | Derevko | davis: you are welcome |
| 11:13.21 | max | wath is this long list of server |
| 11:13.29 | xxyyzz | tralala, it's finished (it was very quick) |
| 11:13.43 | tralala | xxyyzz: when you're done with the download you should do aptitude install kde |
| 11:14.01 | davis | Derevko: and another tip of the hat to you. That command works! |
| 11:14.18 | tralala | xxyyzz: this will take... hm, a while |
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| 11:14.45 | xxyyzz | tralala, "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed. Unable to resolve some dependencies!" |
| 11:14.54 | max | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.57 | xxyyzz | It then goes on to say which packages have unmet dependencies, and are not installable. |
| 11:15.34 | tralala | xxyyzz: can you paste the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:15.35 | xxyyzz | "kde-core, kde-amusements, kdeaddons, kdeadmin, kdeartwork, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdeutils, kdewebdev" |
| 11:15.41 | ircdevil | zu22: Angels2 Tallu - actually i think that the guy bloodninja from that quote may be the same guy as in this one - its also "his style": http://www.bash.org/?104383 |
| 11:16.17 | xxyyzz | tralala: "deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main [blank line] eb http://debian.goldweb.com.au/debian stable main" |
| 11:16.18 | tralala | guys is there a tool that will configure the interfaces file? |
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| 11:16.31 | stoned | nano, vi, pico |
| 11:16.38 | stoned | take your pick |
| 11:16.44 | max123 | hi |
| 11:16.47 | ^Nikos | if i interrupt apt-get dist-upgrade would there be a problem? |
| 11:16.52 | liable | tralala: i think kde and gnome both have tools for this |
| 11:17.00 | stoned | ^Nikos, not really, you can always resume it |
| 11:17.12 | stoned | ^Nikos, its not a good idea though |
| 11:17.23 | max123 | stoned: hi |
| 11:17.24 | K|NgGh0sT | stoned, let him do it |
| 11:17.30 | tralala | stoned: would you want to walk xxyyzz through the process of making eth0 use dhcp with any of those? |
| 11:17.37 | petemc | its fine to interrupt apt |
| 11:17.44 | max123 | hi everyone |
| 11:17.53 | ^Nikos | ? |
| 11:17.58 | stoned | max123, immagine 700+ people saying hi |
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| 11:18.05 | tralala | liable: I just hope we can get there |
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| 11:18.27 | max123 | hey |
| 11:18.30 | stoned | tralala, kde has a tool for configuration |
| 11:18.33 | liable | tralala: walking through vi aint so hard :) |
| 11:18.43 | stoned | tralala, try #kde, I don't know the tool name, its available as a module in kcontrol |
| 11:18.59 | max123 | stoned, 780 woooow but are you shure |
| 11:19.04 | ^Nikos | if i interrupt apt-get dist-upgrade would there be a problem? |
| 11:19.11 | stoned | ^Nikos, no |
| 11:19.26 | tralala | liable: don't hesitate to take that pleasure :) |
| 11:19.42 | petemc | ^Nikos: no |
| 11:19.50 | liable | tralala: i am considering it, but first easier options :) |
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| 11:19.55 | jetscreamer | ^Nikos: not if it's just d/l'ing for sure |
| 11:20.05 | liable | tralala: does his card work? do you know? |
| 11:20.09 | xxyyzz | Guys, I typed "vi" to see what it would do.. and a whole bunch of dots go down the left hand side of the page :( |
| 11:20.11 | tralala | xxyyzz: what if you try aptitude install kdm kde-base? |
| 11:20.11 | max123 | i have a big problem with my computer |
| 11:20.12 | xxyyzz | I don't know how to get out of it... |
| 11:20.19 | jetscreamer | i can't swear i didn't break something when i interrupted it when installing |
| 11:20.19 | stoned | xxyyzz, are you in X or console? |
| 11:20.23 | liable | xxyyzz: :q |
| 11:20.24 | tralala | liable: yes, it does |
| 11:20.24 | xxyyzz | stoned, I'm not sure :( |
| 11:20.33 | stoned | xxyyzz, then what are you doing using linux |
| 11:20.43 | xxyyzz | stoned, I just wanted to get rid of OS 9.0 :( |
| 11:20.53 | jetscreamer | xxyyzz: gui or cli is the questiion |
| 11:20.59 | max123 | stoned: i have a problem with my computer is a linux 5.1 ubuntu |
| 11:21.02 | xxyyzz | There is no GUI. |
| 11:21.02 | tralala | stoned: he's in console |
| 11:21.03 | xxyyzz | It's all black |
| 11:21.06 | stoned | xxyyzz, are you in graphical windows right now, or are you in console |
| 11:21.12 | xxyyzz | When I type "q" it says "isn't a vi command" down the bottom left hand corner, and the background is quite, and the writing is black |
| 11:21.16 | jetscreamer | : |
| 11:21.19 | jetscreamer | :q |
| 11:21.21 | liable | xxyyzz: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:21.34 | max123 | stoned: i have a problem with my computer is a linux 5.1 ubuntu |
| 11:21.37 | liable | xxyyzz: actually, quit that \ |
| 11:21.46 | liable | xxyyzz: /j #flood |
| 11:21.52 | stoned | xxyyzz, ALT + F2. Then nano /etc/network/interfaces. Then make the neccessery changes. Then hit F3 to save. Then do CTRL + X to get out. |
| 11:21.54 | max123 | who talk french |
| 11:22.01 | jetscreamer | max123: #ubuntu is over there |
| 11:22.02 | stoned | max123, go to #ubuntu |
| 11:22.03 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 11:22.03 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:22.16 | stoned | don't go to #debian-fr |
| 11:22.18 | tralala | stoned: how do you do ctrl+x on a mac? |
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| 11:22.30 | stoned | tralala, apple + x |
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| 11:22.48 | jetscreamer | oh how cwuuute |
| 11:22.53 | jetscreamer | a widdle apple |
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| 11:22.56 | stoned | lol |
| 11:23.18 | max | stoned:i am baned of ubuntu server |
| 11:23.18 | stoned | man you make me smile with laughter of joy early in the mornin |
| 11:23.28 | jetscreamer | lol@max |
| 11:23.38 | max | hey you |
| 11:23.39 | jetscreamer | it's a channel not a server btw |
| 11:23.47 | stoned | max, then you are shit out of luck. You will not find help for ubuntu in here. If you try, you will be flames, and then ignored/banned |
| 11:23.55 | stoned | !debian based |
| 11:23.55 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 11:24.13 | jetscreamer | !d-i max |
| 11:24.13 | dpkg | max, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:24.13 | max | **** |
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| 11:25.02 | jetscreamer | max just disconnect your internet from the wall for a while and re-/join #ubuntu |
| 11:25.08 | jetscreamer | ah too late |
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| 11:25.26 | tarzeau | !ubuntu2debian |
| 11:25.27 | dpkg | ubuntu2debian is probably http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 11:25.37 | jetscreamer | dang should have told him about ##linux |
| 11:25.48 | jetscreamer | hey never heard of ubuntu2debian before |
| 11:25.54 | jetscreamer | cool does it work well? |
| 11:26.22 | stoned | yeh, I've heard sid to ubuntu as well |
| 11:26.30 | davis | hmm. dmesg shows mys usb mouse being loaded, but gpm can not see it. |
| 11:27.03 | stoned | strange, I have a usb mouse and it works well in console |
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| 11:27.17 | K|NgGh0sT | how do you unrm something? |
| 11:27.20 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: it works for me |
| 11:27.22 | jetscreamer | echo 'Yes, do as I say!' | apt-get -- cool |
| 11:27.27 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: what filesystem? |
| 11:27.35 | tarzeau | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 11:27.37 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 11:27.40 | d4d0 | hi all, looking for a quick howto on reconfiguring my sarge router from NAT to BRIDGE. can somebody help me out? |
| 11:27.47 | K|NgGh0sT | ext3 |
| 11:27.53 | stoned | hmm, you can't undelete on ext3 |
| 11:27.57 | K|NgGh0sT | great |
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| 11:28.01 | stoned | yeh, go back to ext3 |
| 11:28.03 | stoned | er.. 2 |
| 11:28.12 | K|NgGh0sT | well I just screwed up my.cnf then |
| 11:28.24 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: backup? |
| 11:28.27 | zu22 | tarzeau: heh |
| 11:28.35 | stoned | you can always delete it and get the original back from force confmiss |
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| 11:28.51 | stoned | that is if you don't have backups |
| 11:28.59 | K|NgGh0sT | no backup |
| 11:29.09 | tarzeau | bad luck |
| 11:29.11 | stoned | you'll have to restre the working file from the package then |
| 11:29.19 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: you can try lde... |
| 11:29.24 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: or foremost |
| 11:29.31 | tarzeau | but you'd want to remount it ro first |
| 11:30.22 | K|NgGh0sT | I'll just nab one off the net |
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| 11:30.25 | K|NgGh0sT | hopefully it will work |
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| 11:31.22 | stoned | success rate of foremost? anyone? |
| 11:31.29 | stoned | tarzeau, word? |
| 11:31.56 | stoned | I done fucked myself. I have a 240GB Reiser FS drive :( |
| 11:31.59 | tarzeau | stoned: they have example data on their webpage |
| 11:32.05 | liable | !pal stoned |
| 11:32.07 | tarzeau | stoned: and i've got a 20gb ext2 i'll run on... soon |
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| 11:32.17 | tarzeau | stoned: i'll post the results online, ask me in a week |
| 11:32.21 | stoned | ok |
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| 11:32.27 | stoned | if I remember, hah! |
| 11:32.28 | tarzeau | !tell ubuntu65 about ubuntu2debian |
| 11:32.30 | stoned | :/ |
| 11:32.35 | liable | tarzeau: wheres the pictures of the uper dildo? |
| 11:32.46 | tarzeau | stoned: not sure it works for RICERFS |
| 11:32.51 | ubuntu65 | what |
| 11:32.52 | tarzeau | liable: the light sword? |
| 11:33.02 | tarzeau | liable: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/priceless/ |
| 11:33.07 | stoned | tarzeau, I been told numerous imes RFS sucks as a FS |
| 11:33.20 | stoned | I looked it up and I coulnd' treally find anything wrong with it, it works good for me |
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| 11:33.24 | ubuntu65 | debian, you want too now about ubuntu |
| 11:34.11 | liable | ubuntu65: huh? |
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| 11:34.37 | ubuntu65 | did someone see a max come here |
| 11:34.51 | tarzeau | ubuntu65: yes |
| 11:34.52 | liable | he left |
| 11:35.02 | ubuntu65 | his my kid |
| 11:35.18 | Kupal[]_ | do you know is whole name? |
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| 11:35.24 | Kupal[]_ | you can do a /whois 'nick' |
| 11:35.25 | liable | tarzeau: still connecting... |
| 11:35.47 | ubuntu65 | of max |
| 11:36.16 | liable | ubuntu65: we arent your babysitters. |
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| 11:37.16 | ubuntu65 | liable: this is not the problem the problem his hi is a hacker |
| 11:37.24 | Skalemar | my kids are in toilet this morning -- who cares ;-) --> ~~~> sperm |
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| 11:38.11 | liable | ubuntu65: thats nice. |
| 11:38.16 | ubuntu65 | no |
| 11:38.21 | K|NgGh0sT | uh crap |
| 11:38.23 | K|NgGh0sT | well question |
| 11:38.37 | K|NgGh0sT | If mysqld stopped loading at boot, how would I make it start loading at boot again |
| 11:38.49 | ubuntu65 | liable: i have police here may be 1 time in the week |
| 11:38.59 | zu22 | haha this is cool: http://people.debian.org/~dz/ |
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| 11:40.03 | ubuntu65 | liable: if you see max tell him i search him |
| 11:40.31 | zu22 | ubuntu65: did he run away from home? |
| 11:40.38 | ubuntu65 | no |
| 11:40.52 | K|NgGh0sT | wtf |
| 11:40.55 | K|NgGh0sT | then go home and get hom |
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| 11:40.58 | K|NgGh0sT | him |
| 11:40.58 | ubuntu65 | but i am at work and his at home |
| 11:41.00 | K|NgGh0sT | and break his legs |
| 11:41.03 | K|NgGh0sT | call him then |
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| 11:41.17 | zu22 | ubuntu: type this "/msg dpkg seen max" |
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| 11:41.29 | zu22 | ubuntu: umm just call home then lol~ |
| 11:41.41 | zu22 | lol |
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| 11:42.07 | zu22 | haha |
| 11:42.07 | max | hey hey hey |
| 11:42.11 | zu22 | there is max! |
| 11:42.16 | zu22 | hahaha |
| 11:42.17 | max | ya |
| 11:42.52 | max | wath |
| 11:43.04 | zu22 | ubuntu65 and max both have same host: bas1-hull20-1177915207.dsl.bell.ca |
| 11:43.05 | liable | max: stop being a retard, if your dad was at work, why the fuck does he have the same ip as you? |
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| 11:43.16 | zu22 | max: you aren't a very good hacker :P |
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| 11:43.29 | zu22 | !lart max for being an idiot |
| 11:44.01 | K|NgGh0sT | liable, take this to another room |
| 11:44.30 | max | yo my dad have a lap top and his connect at home with wirless |
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| 11:44.53 | liable | K|NgGh0sT: no |
| 11:44.56 | K|NgGh0sT | Now onto more pressing issues, how can I get mysqld to laod at startup? |
| 11:44.57 | jetscreamer | max there is always ##linux btw |
| 11:45.09 | jetscreamer | hey does rsync work over http? |
| 11:45.29 | K|NgGh0sT | liable, This is a DEBIAN Root, not a yoursonisanidiotoryouareanidiotI'mnotsurewhichyet room |
| 11:45.34 | max | why did you call me hacker |
| 11:45.58 | sep | jetscreamer, only over ssh and it's own rsync protocol iirc |
| 11:46.01 | liable | K|NgGh0sT: yes, thankyou for your comments. |
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| 11:46.10 | K|NgGh0sT | Now go away unless ya need debian help |
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| 11:46.20 | K|NgGh0sT | and by the way, that was a hostname not an IP |
| 11:46.43 | jetscreamer | how do i sync a remote http site. wget seens to overwrite/re-download everything. (turn off timestamps?) |
| 11:47.13 | jetscreamer | 'kinda' like offline browsing |
| 11:47.18 | jetscreamer | is the intent |
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| 11:54.13 | blue-frog | anyone familiar with timeoutd by chance? according to man page timeoutd can check for a time range. It works but my problem is it lets the user logs on and then shuts the session after one minute. |
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| 11:57.19 | liable | tarzeau: lesbian down? |
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| 11:57.46 | fir3st0rm | hi |
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| 12:06.39 | iKernel | Can I please ask a question? |
| 12:07.10 | sep | !ask |
| 12:07.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 12:08.24 | zu22 | trying to get an internal PCI modem working in stable, i did "setserial /dev/ttyS2 irq 11 port 0xd000 autoconfig" and my whole system hung, any ideas? |
| 12:08.58 | zu22 | should i try ttyS3? maybe S2 is reserved for something, my external serial modem is on S0 |
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| 12:09.40 | liable | zu22: what drivers have you loaded for it? they should give it a tty |
| 12:10.07 | liable | zu22: slmodem is normally ttySL0 |
| 12:10.34 | zu22 | liable: hmm well i don't have any drivers, but i got this working in the past using setserial (just forget all the specifics) |
| 12:10.57 | zu22 | liable: the serial modem is working fine /dev/ttyS0 it is 28k baud so i am trying to get 56k internal modem working though |
| 12:11.29 | liable | zu22: well its needs some sort of driver. unless its in the kernel (which i doubt, but may be) then you need to install one |
| 12:11.56 | liable | zu22: did you try wvdial yet? wvdialconfig will scan for modems. |
| 12:12.11 | liable | zu22: or check dmesg |
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| 12:13.26 | zu22 | liable: it is 3com 10/100 Mini PCI (ethernet + modem), dmesg finds the i/o port for the ethernet (not using it) 0xd400 and the irq (11), the modem shares this irq and has i/o port 0xd000 |
| 12:13.59 | liable | zu22: but does it say anything about loading a driver for it? |
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| 12:14.34 | jelly | zu22: your modem apparently isn't supported in linux, says google. |
| 12:14.55 | jelly | zu22: (the one in Latitude C600 IIRC?) |
| 12:15.06 | zu22 | liable: it says: eth0: 3Com 3c556 10/100 Mini PCI Adapter at 0xd400, 00:04:76:52:29:c2, IRQ 11 |
| 12:15.17 | zu22 | jelly: yah! Latitude C600 |
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| 12:15.22 | zu22 | jelly: wow good memory |
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| 12:16.10 | zu22 | jelly: i have gotten this modem working in debian stable in the past using setserial command , i just forget the particulars |
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| 12:16.27 | grussu | can you help me ? |
| 12:16.33 | zu22 | liable: so does that dmesg mean it found the driver and loaded it? |
| 12:16.36 | Shadur | grussu, please go to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and pay careful attention to the suggestions there. It'll improve your chances of getting a useful answer. |
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| 12:16.55 | grussu | i have some problem whit debian 31r2 sparc |
| 12:17.01 | liable | zu22: no |
| 12:17.14 | zu22 | liable: ok so how should i proceed? |
| 12:17.31 | liable | zu22: what did tuxmobil say about it? what about the link i gave you yesterday? |
| 12:18.02 | _spOOn_ | what options do i have to set in fstab to enable a user to be able to access my ntfs partition |
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| 12:18.09 | _spOOn_ | its mounting correctly |
| 12:18.15 | _spOOn_ | but only root has access |
| 12:18.37 | zu22 | liable: i thought irc logging was on but it wasnt so i dont have that link, do u have it handy? tuxmobil said to try the 3c556 driver this guy frank wrote but i couldn't find it |
| 12:18.41 | grussu | when i start sun ultra1 whit booo cdrom, i see root: but when i clik enter he stop in remapping the kernel booting linux |
| 12:18.47 | liable | _spOOn_: i just give it umask=000 though some say security blah |
| 12:19.03 | sep | _spOOn_, look in man mount under the section mount options for ntfs |
| 12:19.04 | liable | !tell zu22 about laptop |
| 12:19.15 | _spOOn_ | cheers |
| 12:19.23 | liable | zu22: visit linu-laptop site and search under dell. |
| 12:19.24 | _spOOn_ | will read man file |
| 12:19.33 | liable | _spOOn_: umask option |
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| 12:19.44 | liable | !tell _spOOn_ about vfrw |
| 12:19.48 | zu22 | liable: linux-laptop just gave links for some people who installed debian, bsd, redhat on c600 but no specifics on modem |
| 12:19.57 | liable | !tell _spOOn_ about vfatrw |
| 12:20.24 | _spOOn_ | thanks liable |
| 12:20.30 | liable | np |
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| 12:21.00 | zu22 | liable: anything else i can try? only other option is buy external 56k serial modem |
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| 12:21.22 | liable | zu22: get the scanmodem script and run it. www.linmodems.org |
| 12:21.56 | zu22 | liable: the link on linmodems.org for scanmodem script is broken, but i found a copy on some .fr site, it's really old though will try run that now |
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| 12:22.05 | liable | zu22: then ask on there mailing list. they are very knowledgeable when it comes to winmodems in linux |
| 12:22.18 | zu22 | liable: cool |
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| 12:22.36 | zu22 | liable: any hardware controller external 56k serial modem should work with linux kernal natively right? |
| 12:22.52 | lastnode | zu22, usb> |
| 12:22.54 | lastnode | s/>/? |
| 12:22.57 | liable | zu22: works for me.. wget linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/scanModem.gz |
| 12:23.05 | liable | zu22: yes |
| 12:23.12 | ^Nikos | can someone please paste to me a smple of iptabels configuration? |
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| 12:23.49 | liable | zu22: try the script first, no need to buy if you can get yours working |
| 12:23.54 | Coweater | ^Nikos: a sample that does what? |
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| 12:24.15 | Coweater | if you're looking for a base configuration, you don't need it |
| 12:24.18 | zu22 | liable: ah the link on linmodems was ip address that timed out for me , i will try that thx |
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| 12:24.45 | zu22 | liable: ok |
| 12:25.17 | zu22 | ^Nikos: wow you are still here :) |
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| 12:26.33 | grussu | ?? |
| 12:26.59 | liable | !sparc |
| 12:26.59 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 12:27.25 | grussu | tanks |
| 12:27.30 | liable | grussu: try the #debian-sparc channel, its prolly a bit slow, but they should be able to help better |
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| 12:27.38 | liable | or try the mailing list |
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| 12:28.44 | tarzeau | liable: no? why? |
| 12:29.00 | liable | tarzeau: keeps timing out for me |
| 12:29.10 | tarzeau | liable: dns update problem, wait a second |
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| 12:29.25 | liable | tarzeau: i can ping it though |
| 12:29.37 | tarzeau | liable: what ip? |
| 12:29.53 | liable | 80.219.77.180 |
| 12:30.03 | tarzeau | liable: should be 80.219.67.157 yeah something broken with my dyndns update thingy |
| 12:30.10 | liable | ah |
| 12:30.27 | tarzeau | liable: i've just updated it, takes some time to get active, put it in your hosts if you can't wait |
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| 12:30.47 | liable | tarzeau: ta |
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| 12:31.14 | zu22 | tarzeau: is that your homepage? |
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| 12:33.27 | zu22 | liable: hey you still here? |
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| 12:33.42 | liable | yerp |
| 12:33.50 | zu22 | liable: ok i ran the scanModem script |
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| 12:34.35 | liable | zu22: i am no expert in deciphering the output, post it on the mailing list (unless it tells you that a specific driver should work) |
| 12:34.43 | tarzeau | zu22: which? yes |
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| 12:36.32 | b0r3d | hi. i changed my hostname in /etc/hostname to "comp" but i tried to su user.. im not getting user@comp.. i'm getting user@oldhost |
| 12:36.46 | liable | !hostname |
| 12:36.47 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 12:36.57 | zu22 | liable: one second |
| 12:36.58 | tarzeau | why does xbiff not work with thunderbird/mozilla mail? |
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| 12:37.08 | tarzeau | it used to work. debian or upstream broke it. piece of shit |
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| 12:37.41 | tarzeau | miserably wretched piece of software |
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| 12:38.11 | zu22 | liable: ok i put up the results -> |
| 12:38.12 | Vme | how do i enable capture in my mixer settings for my sound card?? |
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| 12:38.20 | zu22 | liable: http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/~chaos/scanModem-c600-results.html |
| 12:38.22 | Vme | so i can input sound to my audio card? |
| 12:38.37 | zu22 | liable: let me know if you can't access that page |
| 12:38.43 | kombi | there was this command better than traceroute.. what was it again? |
| 12:39.12 | _spOOn_ | okies, i have fixed my fstab and now my user can access the mounted drive, but what if i want an entire group to be able to access the mounted drive? |
| 12:40.36 | kombi | mtr it was ! |
| 12:40.38 | zu22 | liable: this isn't a PCMCIA modem though but it says it detected one lol~ both my PCMCIA slots are empty. this is on-mboard ethernet/modem combo pci device |
| 12:40.40 | Tassium | Is there a program for X which will show which button you pressed on your mouse? I've got one of those fancy trackballs with extra buttons and I'm trying to figure out which button is which. |
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| 12:41.06 | liable | zu22: wtf? i never knew it needed gcc... install build-essential then run it again. then paste it on the mailing list. i gotta go to bed. be back tommorrow. heh, yeah i wondered about the pcmcia bit too :) |
| 12:41.19 | zu22 | liable: heh ok thanks |
| 12:41.28 | zu22 | tarzeau: what is address of your homepage? |
| 12:41.37 | b0r3d | liable, how to color it? |
| 12:41.49 | tarzeau | zu22: www.linuks.mine.nu |
| 12:42.04 | liable | b0r3d: ?? colour what? |
| 12:42.10 | b0r3d | liable, the hostname.. |
| 12:42.14 | zu22 | tarzeau: oh that is your site! sweeeeeeeet :) great site man |
| 12:42.43 | zu22 | tarzeau: that and the debian knowledge base site are my 2 favs |
| 12:43.06 | b0r3d | liable, i want it like user@compiler(this part in red) |
| 12:43.08 | liable | b0r3d: no idea, but if you are talking about what i think you are, google bash prompt howto (tldp.org) |
| 12:43.12 | b0r3d | for all the users |
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| 12:43.35 | RichiH | tarzeau: pong |
| 12:43.59 | lfm | hello there. A quick question about "dpkg -r". if I remove all the files on the installed directory (such as /usr/local/bin), it will remove the directory itself also... I saw some sort of hidden placeholders to avoid this. Is there a cleaner way to avoid removing the directory ? |
| 12:44.02 | zu22 | RichiH: heh, hey i not see you in a few years |
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| 12:44.14 | zu22 | RichiH: i used to come on as "afs" |
| 12:44.24 | RichiH | zu22: that seems to ring a bell |
| 12:44.43 | b0r3d | how to view all the list of installed packages? |
| 12:44.45 | zu22 | RichiH: i'm still stuck on dialup heh |
| 12:46.53 | RichiH | zu22: is this a bad time to say that the box i am sitting at has a connection somewhere above 10 Gbit? ;) |
| 12:47.05 | zu22 | RichiH: <cry> |
| 12:47.09 | RichiH | though, of course, the desktop itself is only on 100 Mbit |
| 12:47.21 | zu22 | RichiH: hehe |
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| 12:47.36 | tarzeau | RichiH: pong |
| 12:47.41 | zu22 | RichiH: put a miror up if you can :P |
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| 12:48.47 | RichiH | zu22: heh |
| 12:48.54 | RichiH | tarzeau: you pinged me? |
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| 12:50.40 | yaarg | in bash when i ls a big directory does anyone know how to supress the message printed i.e. Display all 166 possibilities? (y or n) |
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| 12:50.51 | yaarg | and just do it |
| 12:51.30 | xxyyzz | Guys tralala is a genius! |
| 12:51.36 | xxyyzz | He has just fixed my whole Debian! |
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| 12:51.57 | b0r3d | liable, but i want to set the same user@login format for all the users.. |
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| 12:56.13 | callee | will xorg-7 be integrated into testing in the near future? |
| 12:56.16 | akin | hello |
| 12:56.23 | SlammerXP | callee: yes. |
| 12:56.26 | bibe | callee : sure |
| 12:56.29 | SlammerXP | well before 2010 anyway |
| 12:56.51 | callee | SlammerXP: funny |
| 12:56.55 | SlammerXP | i thought so. |
| 12:56.56 | Gnea | you mean we can't wait until 2063? darn. |
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| 12:57.08 | _fluffee | xoz & atrus: Thanks, I now have the later kernel, and have removed the earlier one. This is exactly what I wished to accomplish. |
| 12:57.11 | incorrect | what do people here use to monitor their network |
| 12:57.29 | wombachi | incorrect with simple needs, I use "mon" |
| 12:57.54 | MatBoy | I need some experience with Nividia Drivers under Debian and Multiple Monitors |
| 12:57.59 | wombachi | incorrect but nagios is more featurefull and widely used I think |
| 12:58.00 | callee | bibe: because testing did screw my 3d acceleration in many ways |
| 12:58.14 | tralala | incorrect: a lot of different things I bet. What would *you* want to do? |
| 12:58.33 | incorrect | just wanted to find out what people use, |
| 12:58.52 | tralala | !popcorn |
| 12:58.52 | incorrect | normally i use nagios, and cacti |
| 12:59.00 | tralala | ^^this is what they use |
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| 12:59.12 | tralala | ops |
| 12:59.14 | tralala | !popcon |
| 12:59.15 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:59.18 | bibe | callee : which driver? |
| 12:59.20 | tralala | now this ^^ |
| 12:59.26 | wombachi | does webmin (virtualmin) support Sarge Apache2 special configfile management (/etc/sites-{available,enabled}) ? |
| 12:59.30 | incorrect | lol |
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| 13:00.01 | nkuttler | is webmin still in sarge? |
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| 13:00.38 | Ronin | nkuttler: it is |
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| 13:00.41 | callee | bibe: i915 |
| 13:00.45 | callee | for an i855gm |
| 13:00.50 | sep | nkuttler, sarge is realeased it wont change except for secuirty updates |
| 13:00.55 | lastnode | how do reconfigure a package? |
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| 13:01.13 | wombachi | nkuttler it's orphaned iirc, but I use the webmin.com one on a server (with Apache1, not Apache2) |
| 13:01.14 | nkuttler | well, removing it would be a nice security update |
| 13:01.14 | sep | lastnode, dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 13:01.29 | sep | lastnode, you may add -plow if you want a spesific priority questions |
| 13:01.49 | wombachi | nkuttler I remember the maintainer basically saying nobody should use the one in sarge |
| 13:02.23 | wombachi | sep I thought -plow was implicit with dpkg-reconfigure. I guess I'm wrong |
| 13:02.27 | lastnode | thanks sep |
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| 13:02.45 | Wille88 | I can't get any other locales than POSIX working. I tried to purge locales-package, remove /etc/enviroment and reinstall locales-package but it didn't help. (unstable) |
| 13:02.46 | lastnode | sep, vim is acting really wierd. i cant backspace etc. im wondering if it's my keyboard settings. i want to reconfig console-data |
| 13:03.06 | dvsdude | trying to install debian on a system with DAC960 raid controller is there any guides or howto's |
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| 13:03.43 | wombachi | dvsdude if that hardware is supported (kernels 2.4.27/2.6.8) then it should be ok. If not, it can be tricky |
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| 13:03.49 | jstr1111 | hey guys, whats the command that i would use to alter the screen resolution in X to higher then 800x600? |
| 13:03.56 | wombachi | dvsdude if you want to install Sarge I mean |
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| 13:04.03 | lastnode | jstr1111, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:04.08 | jstr1111 | thanks |
| 13:04.10 | lastnode | !xorg |
| 13:04.11 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 13:04.20 | lastnode | jstr1111, try the irc channel as well |
| 13:04.27 | jstr1111 | isn't there some wizard |
| 13:04.28 | jstr1111 | ok |
| 13:04.34 | zu22 | i'm installing gcc-3.4 in stable and it wants to install gcc-3.3 as well, why is this? |
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| 13:05.23 | dvsdude | wombachi, tring with 2.6.8 kernel think it was a sarge |
| 13:05.27 | zu22 | it installs it as an extra package |
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| 13:06.05 | wombachi | dvsdude yes, sarge uses a 2.6.8 kernel, which is *old* and dont support many recent hardware (ex on Dell servers) |
| 13:06.14 | dvsdude | wombachi, lsmod shows both my adaptec ssi controller for cdrom works fine and the DAC960 module is usedas well |
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| 13:06.23 | zu22 | guess the gcc-3.4 packager decided to force depend on gcc-3.3 for some reason, oh well |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | zu22: hi |
| 13:06.46 | zu22 | wombachi: haha that's not old, i am running 2.2.20 kernel |
| 13:06.47 | wombachi | dvsdude ok, then you wont have any problems. There's docs on debian.org if you want |
| 13:07.21 | dvsdude | wombachi, in /dev/rd there is numbers 0 to 15 |
| 13:07.22 | wombachi | zu22 I ran a 2.0.36 kernel, but didnt see a 2.2.x since ages :) |
| 13:07.29 | zu22 | wombachi: :D |
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| 13:07.50 | dvsdude | wombachi, got link at all will go now and search |
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| 13:09.13 | wombachi | zu22: are you using a.out instead of ELF ? This will stop script kiddies focusing on recent holes :) |
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| 13:12.40 | lizardX | hello everybody |
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| 13:13.04 | lizardX | is it possible to set different name servers for different domains? |
| 13:13.32 | tarzeau | RichiH: yes but i don't remember why |
| 13:13.44 | Tassium | lizardX: I'm not sure what you're wanting to do, can you try rephrasing? |
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| 13:15.08 | zu22 | wombachi: hmm i think ELF, how do i switch to a.out? |
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| 13:15.48 | lizardX | Tassium: I would need redirecting requests to different DNS servers based on domain name |
| 13:16.01 | b0r3d | where do i change the bash prompt so it affects all the users who login? |
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| 13:16.31 | zu22 | wombachi: is that an option i can pass to lilo or must it be compiled into the kernel? |
| 13:17.16 | naskheik | anyone know why an installer hangs at the boot prompt? hanging meaning here accepting no response at all |
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| 13:18.35 | lizardX | Tassium: any clue? |
| 13:19.26 | zu22 | guess he left |
| 13:20.15 | Tassium | lizardX: Nope, sorry |
| 13:20.48 | tarzeau | liable: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/priceless/ works again? |
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| 13:20.53 | wombachi | zu22 sorry, I'm doing too many things at the same time.. |
| 13:20.55 | b0r3d | where do i change the bash prompt so it affects all the users who login? |
| 13:21.01 | tarzeau | b0r3d: /etc |
| 13:21.03 | Tassium | Does X have a concept of a "forward" and "back" mouse button? (Specifically xorg and KDE) |
| 13:21.04 | tarzeau | b0r3d: profile |
| 13:21.06 | wombachi | zu22 your kernel must have a.out support (really old) |
| 13:21.25 | wombachi | zu22 and you must recompile everything to use the a.out format for your binaries |
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| 13:22.25 | RichiH | tarzeau: heh, k |
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| 13:23.12 | wombachi | zu22: but going back to a.out is like going back to punch cards :) |
| 13:23.15 | zu22 | wombachi: ok thx :) |
| 13:24.00 | zu22 | wombachi: lol i remember using a.out on SunOS 4.x |
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| 13:24.56 | ThE | Yo! |
| 13:24.59 | matt666 | yo |
| 13:25.22 | phaedrus_ | y0 |
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| 13:25.26 | b0r3d | if [ "$BASH" ]; then |
| 13:25.27 | b0r3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.42 | b0r3d | tarzeau, i changed PS1 in /etc/profile to that.. it's not taking effect on login |
| 13:26.02 | zu22 | The: tambien |
| 13:26.12 | shay | yo |
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| 13:27.04 | wombachi | zu22: I managed a little (486) server in a.out (slack) in 2000, serving 20+ boxes. But it seems current management killed that poor little box. :'( Only its dns entry remain. They killed Kenny^WBigbox :-) |
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| 13:27.25 | phaedrus_ | i like the setup of fluxbox in damnsmalllinux, i use debian ...is ther anyway to copy the settings over? |
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| 13:28.09 | mbp | for a few days now, I have had problems with my fonts being very bold (unstable), does anyone know why? |
| 13:28.28 | tarzeau | boogie_: if [ "$BASH" ]; then |
| 13:28.28 | SlammerXP | mbp: you're using unstable. |
| 13:28.36 | tarzeau | b0r3d: what's that good for? if [ "$BASH" ]; then |
| 13:28.51 | mbp | SlammerXP, I am aware of that. |
| 13:28.58 | b0r3d | tarzeau, it's set to this by default.. |
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| 13:29.12 | mbp | SlammerXP, I was wondering whether anyone knew that bug # this is, or the status of the bug. |
| 13:29.21 | SlammerXP | mbp: the BTS does. |
| 13:29.49 | mbp | SlammerXP, I have been looking, with no luck. |
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| 13:30.42 | fluxdude | is it possible to reliably access over 2TB partition in 32 bit linux or do I need 64-bit? |
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| 13:31.55 | b0r3d | tarzeau? |
| 13:31.56 | zu22 | wombachi: those bastards! :/ |
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| 13:33.43 | kspath | !mailing list |
| 13:33.43 | dpkg | it has been said that mailing list is about large numbers of persons that might have knowledge and experiences that may or may not use IRC. about http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/, or about the communications being persistent. Mailing lists allow those in various time zones to more effectively share with each other. |
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| 13:34.43 | byteshack | are the packages in the debian repositories created by hand? or are they scripted out? |
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| 13:35.14 | byteshack | if they are scripted out, is there a place where one can go and get those scripts? They would be GREAT to have if one would like to create his own packages for some programs |
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| 13:35.27 | wombachi | zu22: the funny thing is that all boxes it served were more powerfull (P1/P2 against a brave 486). Who says my collegues didnt work hard :) |
| 13:35.59 | zu22 | wombachi: indeed |
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| 13:39.09 | wombachi | byteshack You can create your own packages. There are guides on debian.org to do this |
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| 13:41.41 | b0r3d | shouldn't this works too for root? http://rafb.net/paste/results/T1adbI41.html |
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| 13:44.18 | zwik | Hello, anybody knows how i can regen a new /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 13:44.33 | zwik | because i removed /etc/ssh ;) |
| 13:44.53 | ThE_MaX | Hello someone know how to send a folder of 200mb thru a network??? |
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| 13:44.57 | cyzie | zwik apt-get install again ? |
| 13:45.13 | cyzie | ThE_MaX, tar the folder and ftp it |
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| 13:45.32 | zwik | cyzie doesn' t work. that says /etc/ssh/sshd_config: file not found |
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| 13:45.48 | ThE_MaX | ok thanks |
| 13:45.56 | cyzie | zwik, u have to apt-get remove first then only installl |
| 13:46.08 | zwik | cyzie: i did dpkg --purge ssh |
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| 13:46.20 | zwik | and then apt-get install ssh |
| 13:46.21 | phaedrus_ | what is dpkg --purge? |
| 13:46.29 | zwik | removes configs too |
| 13:46.33 | wombachi | or apt-get --reinstall ssh ? |
| 13:46.35 | cyzie | dpkg --purge, remove the nistall file and configs as well |
| 13:46.43 | ciphergoth | I'm running Etch, and aptitude is giving me the message that my upgrades come from an untrusted source. I've installed debian-archive-keyring but it hasn't helped. Any ideas |
| 13:46.44 | wombachi | or apt-get --reinstall install ssh ? |
| 13:46.51 | zwik | i' ll try that |
| 13:47.12 | phaedrus_ | wow...so all the traces of an installed app will be gone with dpkg --purge? |
| 13:47.13 | zwik | reinstall is not an option btw ;) |
| 13:47.15 | wombachi | if that does not work, you'll have to purge and reinstall |
| 13:47.23 | tedp | ciphergoth: perhaps /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 13:47.41 | wombachi | zwik of course, you have a backup for /etc ? That's the easy way... |
| 13:47.42 | zwik | wombachi: i tried that, doesn't work |
| 13:47.53 | zwik | i don' t have a backup :+ |
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| 13:48.02 | cyzie | zwik apt-get isntall ssh dont work ? |
| 13:48.07 | zwik | cyzie: nopw |
| 13:48.28 | tedp | anyone else had vim stop doing things like syntax highlighting and automatic un-gzipping of documents, _even_ when invoked as vim, since the recent upgrade? |
| 13:49.05 | xoz | zwik: what is the message? does not work is vague. |
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| 13:49.26 | tralala | tedp: did the upgrade replace the global vimrc? |
| 13:49.28 | pngwen | is anyone here familiar with xwindows virtual desktop size settings? |
| 13:49.32 | kspath | tedp: couple of months ago I had vim syntax highlighting stop working after "upgrade" from sarge to testing so I had to go back to sarge. |
| 13:49.43 | ciphergoth | tedp: thanks! But weirdly I already have the version of apt it recommends, and "apt-keys list" shows that the key it speaks of is already installed |
| 13:49.56 | tedp | tralala: well, i tried purging and reinstalling to be on the safe side and it's still broken |
| 13:50.00 | byteshack | wombachi: Yes, I've seen those, but I was wondering if there are publicly accessible scripts for the packages in the repositories |
| 13:50.13 | tedp | so i guess so |
| 13:50.22 | tedp | you're right, i think i did copy an example file to the system default |
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| 13:50.26 | tarzeau | does this work? http://vi.mine.nu/ |
| 13:50.30 | kspath | tedp: I confirmed in my case that all vim configurations were correct and even removed/purged and installed again. They may have fixed the vim in testing since that time. |
| 13:50.41 | ciphergoth | tedp: might it be something wrong with my Debian mirror? Where should I look to see if it has the right signatures? |
| 13:50.46 | tedp | interestingly i didn't notice this happen when i upgraded my machine at work earlier today |
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| 13:51.00 | dippo | anyone know of a utility that will monitor a file and tell me what process unlinks it? |
| 13:51.02 | kspath | tedp: That is why I will not run testing. I stick with sarge. |
| 13:51.16 | tedp | ciphergoth: i'm not really sure. maybe run gpg --verify on the .gpg file from the archive? |
| 13:51.29 | tedp | kspath: i run unstable on 3 machines, testing on one :) |
| 13:51.34 | tralala | tedp: opening gzipped files doesn't sound like a default behaviour to me anyhow. I guess you had a custom config. It may be still in /etc/vim/ |
| 13:51.35 | cyzie | zwik, after you do dpkg --purge ssh, do u do apt-get remove ssh as well ? |
| 13:51.47 | kspath | tedp: good luck to you. Enjoy the fun. |
| 13:51.53 | xoz | ciphergoth: try debian.org first |
| 13:51.53 | tedp | kspath: i do. |
| 13:51.57 | zwik | xoz: Setting up openssh-server (4.3p2-1); /var/lig/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst: Line 202: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: file not found |
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| 13:52.08 | tedp | lots of bug reports :) |
| 13:52.13 | zwik | cyzie: i can try that, but dpkg removes also that package |
| 13:52.17 | wombachi | byteshack there's nothing magic with packages in repositories. You can build your own rep if you like. Read the docs ex on http://www.us.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 13:52.30 | cyzie | zwik, try it and then install it again using apt |
| 13:52.41 | xoz | zwik: try touch /etc/ssh/sshd_config. then purge and reinstall |
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| 13:53.22 | zwik | cyzie, xoz: both tried yet. No succes ;( |
| 13:53.46 | cyzie | mmm... |
| 13:53.47 | xoz | zwik: what is the message again? apt-get remove --purge ssh. |
| 13:53.47 | cyzie | this is weird |
| 13:53.48 | FlareMage | what's the difference between kernel-image-2.4.27.2 and 2.4.27.3? |
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| 13:54.02 | cyzie | xoz, apt-get has --purge? |
| 13:54.13 | tedp | cyzie: yes |
| 13:54.16 | wombachi | FlareMage new release (security bug) for Sarge I guess |
| 13:54.23 | xoz | FlareMage: check the changelogs |
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| 13:54.51 | xoz | cyzie: where have you been? |
| 13:55.13 | cyzie | xoz, hehe |
| 13:55.29 | kspath | !poop |
| 13:55.29 | cyzie | zwik, try on what zwik suggest, apt-get remove --purge ssh |
| 13:56.06 | zwik | xoz: tried it. gives me the same error about openssh-server.postinst file not found |
| 13:56.12 | zwik | even with remove --purge |
| 13:56.35 | xoz | zwik: did you? touch /etc/ssh/sshd_config as root? |
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| 13:56.53 | xoz | zwik: i mean as a command... not touch it by your hand :) |
| 13:57.18 | zwik | yes apt-get remove --purge ssh ;) |
| 13:57.31 | kspath | zwik: man touch |
| 13:57.32 | xoz | zwik: do the command: touch .... |
| 13:57.38 | zwik | ah yes |
| 13:57.42 | cyzie | zwik, so now apt-get remove --purge ssh work? |
| 13:57.50 | xoz | zwik: or just > /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 13:58.08 | kspath | zwik: as root ? |
| 13:58.10 | zwik | cyzie: that works but gives errors about file not found |
| 13:58.23 | cyzie | zwik, ahh okay.. so touch and then purge |
| 13:58.24 | xoz | zwik: the point is create the file that postinst is asking |
| 13:58.25 | FlareMage | next question, should i install the 586 version for the kernel or stick with the 386 since i have a P4 |
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| 13:58.42 | xoz | zwik: so that it will zipped its mouth and proceed |
| 13:58.45 | zwik | xoz: i touched and installed again but it wants to regen keys, this doesn' t seem to work because it needs ssh_host_key or something |
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| 13:58.51 | cyzie | FlareMage, 686 would be better choice |
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| 13:59.13 | xoz | zwik: what is the exact message? |
| 13:59.29 | kspath | !tell FlareMage about 686 |
| 13:59.33 | xoz | zwik: you successfully purged it? |
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| 14:00.58 | zwik | xoz: that will generate SSH1 key file |
| 14:01.05 | zwik | but i'm not sure if it works.. |
| 14:01.18 | MrNaz | whats the best / easiest way to set up an SMTP server? |
| 14:01.35 | kspath | MrNaz: apt-get install (exim|postfix) |
| 14:01.46 | MrNaz | i need one i can access from anywhere on the net, so i dont always have to try to guess the one that the net cafe im in uses... obviously with user/pass protectin |
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| 14:01.53 | kspath | MrNaz: You still need to study the MTA documentation. |
| 14:01.55 | zwik | xoz: will that generate a ssh_host_key ? and fill sshd_config ? |
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| 14:02.13 | MrNaz | kspath yea i thought there'd be a bit more to setting up an SMTP than just an apt-get ... |
| 14:02.15 | xoz | !start an smtp war |
| 14:02.15 | dpkg | exim qmail |
| 14:02.38 | xoz | zwik: if you purge and install again |
| 14:02.57 | kspath | MrNaz: There are MTA irc channels. #exim #postfix #qmail #sendmail |
| 14:02.57 | MrNaz | kspath aah cool |
| 14:02.57 | MrNaz | thanks |
| 14:02.58 | zwik | xoz: purge seems to regen an key.. |
| 14:03.03 | kspath | MrNaz: There are mailing lists and websites about each and every MTA. |
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| 14:03.25 | rubypo | Hi, I have a problem, ftp with passive mode works fine If I use put, but it fails if I use a get to download something for the server, any idea? |
| 14:03.25 | rubypo | I see |
| 14:03.25 | rubypo | ftp> get 0PR9010.txt |
| 14:03.25 | rubypo | local: 0PR9010.txt remote: 0PR9010.txt |
| 14:03.25 | b0r3d | how to see the installed packages in debian? |
| 14:03.33 | rubypo | 227 Entering Passive Mode (82,223,148,231,121,22) |
| 14:03.33 | rubypo | 550 Failed to open file. |
| 14:03.33 | rubypo | ftp> |
| 14:03.34 | rubypo | any idea? :( |
| 14:03.44 | xoz | zwik: yep. the moment the installation detects it is a first time install, it will generate keys for you. |
| 14:03.49 | MrNaz | kspath a dangerous question: which do you think is the best MTA ? |
| 14:03.51 | Tassium | b0r3d: dpkg --get-selections | less |
| 14:03.53 | wombachi | b0r3d dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections by ex |
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| 14:04.00 | zwik | xoz: ok thank. till will take some hours i guess :+ |
| 14:04.05 | zwik | this* |
| 14:04.18 | kspath | MrNaz: I do not give advice like that. If you have to ask that question you will be better off with Exim or Postfix. |
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| 14:04.35 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 14:04.35 | dpkg | courier is hard to configure |
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| 14:04.59 | MrNaz | kspath well thats what i was after... i've never run one so i was really asking "whats the easiest one for a newbie" |
| 14:05.03 | wombachi | kspath: why not 'simply' sendmail ? .. just kidding :) |
| 14:05.16 | cyzie | xoz, i think ssh-keygen will genreate the key for u |
| 14:05.19 | kspath | wombachi: I like sendmail. GRRR. |
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| 14:05.48 | zu22 | MrNaz: "best" and "easiest" are usually diametrically opposed :) |
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| 14:06.02 | kspath | MrNaz: There is NO easy MTA for a newbie. There is a lot to know. Exim and Postfix start out "easy". |
| 14:06.03 | zu22 | wombachi: hehe |
| 14:06.05 | wombachi | kspath powerfull, but certainly not the "easy" one |
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| 14:06.29 | xoz | zwik: cyzie suggests ssh-keygen if the keys are not generated during install |
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| 14:07.20 | wombachi | MrNaz dont use a SMTP srv, just set up the smtp name in your mail client (thunderbird or others) |
| 14:07.32 | ZeNN | when i install snmpd under debian and after configuring the snmpd.conf file, i try to snmpwalk ... it constantly gives me: Timeout: No Response from 127.0.0.1 though snmpd is listening on UDP 161 |
| 14:08.02 | wombachi | MrNaz Configuring a SMTP server is not easy, esp for newbies |
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| 14:08.12 | kspath | MrNaz: If you want an always available auth-smtp look that the numerous service providers that are "free" and at a cost. |
| 14:08.20 | xoz | ZeNN: did you restart it after changing the config> |
| 14:08.25 | b0r3d | is there a ports tree on debian? |
| 14:08.43 | asg | b0r3d: no |
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| 14:09.00 | cyzie | what is ports tree? |
| 14:09.07 | wombachi | b0r3d but you can use a few repositories if you wish (with care) |
| 14:09.14 | asg | cyzie: BSD style ports |
| 14:09.17 | wombachi | b0r3d ex backports.org for Sarge |
| 14:09.21 | kspath | MrNaz: gmail can be used remotely and is "free" as one example. Yes, you can send via gmail via some smtp clients remotely. |
| 14:09.21 | xoz | tree not supported inhouse in bsd lingo |
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| 14:09.35 | ZeNN | xoz: yes, snmpd restart |
| 14:09.54 | xoz | ZeNN: enable the debug mode. |
| 14:10.09 | ZeNN | xoz: -d option wright |
| 14:10.28 | cyzie | brb |
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| 14:11.20 | kspath | man man |
| 14:11.28 | bztunk | man sex |
| 14:11.34 | xoz | !sex |
| 14:11.34 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 14:11.38 | wombachi | man day ? |
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| 14:12.49 | zu22 | kspath: gmail supports POP3 and SMTP right? |
| 14:12.59 | kspath | zu22: research |
| 14:13.17 | zu22 | :) |
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| 14:13.58 | tomv | hi, does anyone know what I'm doing wrong when quodlibet doesn't play on debian/unstable for two days, but says GStreamer was unable to load the selected song. Could not get/set settings from/on resource? |
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| 14:15.38 | b0r3d | root@c0mp173R:/etc/ssh# sshd restart |
| 14:15.39 | b0r3d | Extra argument restart. |
| 14:15.44 | b0r3d | ?? |
| 14:15.50 | bztunk | lol! |
| 14:15.51 | phaedrus_ | wut is the name of the win32 codecs? |
| 14:15.57 | asg | !w32codecs |
| 14:15.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 14:16.02 | phaedrus_ | to search for in synaptic |
| 14:16.09 | phaedrus_ | !w32codecs |
| 14:16.09 | dpkg | hmm... w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 14:16.16 | asg | b0r3d: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:16.25 | bztunk | phaedrus_: good job making dpkg repeat |
| 14:16.27 | tarzeau | someone lives at a place like this? http://abbeynews.com/wp/friendship50.jpg |
| 14:16.37 | b0r3d | Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. !? |
| 14:16.39 | kspath | phaedrus_: /msg dpkg w32codecs /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:16.40 | b0r3d | why openbsd? |
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| 14:16.54 | abrotman | b0r3d: they write openssh |
| 14:16.57 | asg | b0r3d: it's the portable openssh created by the openbsd team |
| 14:17.06 | kspath | b0r3d: Please go to www.openssh.org site |
| 14:17.21 | b0r3d | oh |
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| 14:18.06 | asg | tarzeau: people in New England when they aren't under 5 feet of water |
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| 14:18.52 | tarzeau | asg: where's new england? |
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| 14:19.02 | asg | tarzeau: North Eastern US |
| 14:19.18 | kspath | tarzeau: Where did the English colonists stealing land from Native Americans go first? |
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| 14:19.44 | bztunk | kspath: irak! |
| 14:19.55 | kspath | !confuse bztunk |
| 14:19.55 | dpkg | Yes, how is their pants today, bztunk? lederhosen of the monarchy of tibet with extra cream |
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| 14:20.18 | Jaggz- | I forget the command to fix package dependencies -- I tried to install mplayer...deb and it requires a bunch of things. |
| 14:20.30 | bztunk | Jaggz-: use aptitude |
| 14:20.33 | Jaggz- | what was the command to automatically download and install dependencies? |
| 14:20.40 | asg | Jaggz-: apt-get install foo |
| 14:20.42 | Jaggz- | mplayer's not found in aptitude's list though |
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| 14:20.52 | asg | Jaggz-: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:20.55 | bztunk | because you didn't add the repo |
| 14:21.16 | kspath | tarzeau: Towns with New usually infer they were started by former residents of or peoples that liked a town or region. New York New Haven .... |
| 14:21.29 | Jaggz- | security repo right? |
| 14:21.35 | kspath | tarzeau: Not sure on Haven since it has other meaning(s). |
| 14:21.35 | asg | Jaggz-: no, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:21.52 | Jaggz- | I did |
| 14:21.54 | zu22 | New Hampshire |
| 14:21.56 | tarzeau | kspath: that's why i asked where it'd be |
| 14:22.01 | kspath | tarzeau: hehehe |
| 14:22.02 | bztunk | Jaggz-: no not security |
| 14:22.02 | zu22 | New Brunswick |
| 14:22.05 | bztunk | Jaggz-: marillat |
| 14:22.05 | Jaggz- | xine doesn't have the codec I need |
| 14:22.10 | zu22 | New Foundland |
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| 14:22.20 | bztunk | yeah foundland is teh win |
| 14:22.24 | Jaggz- | hmm.. where were these handled? It's kind of far inbetween me having to do this :) |
| 14:22.41 | Jaggz- | doesn't look like /etc/debconf.conf |
| 14:22.41 | kspath | zu22: Canuck? |
| 14:22.56 | zu22 | kspath: lets not forget the land the Spanish and Portugese stole from native South Americans and the Dutch from native Sout Africans and .... |
| 14:23.09 | zu22 | kpath: nah just hockey fan :P |
| 14:23.18 | Ronin | zu22: good man :) |
| 14:23.37 | Jaggz- | grep -r debian.org /etc/* ? |
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| 14:24.44 | zu22 | Ronin: I just hope our team doesn't move |
| 14:24.58 | Jaggz- | unless you can tell me how to get xine to handle these .mpg files. :) The video works, but when I make them with ffmpeg's mp2 or mp3 audio codec, xine says codec is unsupported (MPEG Layer 2/3) |
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| 14:25.17 | zu22 | Ronin: we have Crosby and hopefully next season Malkin will be here too |
| 14:25.50 | Ronin | mario have no more money to keep them in town? :) |
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| 14:26.33 | zu22 | Ronin: well all the hopes are pinned on a casino slots license and its projected revenue |
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| 14:26.57 | StereoSkit | dudes, i updated and upgraded unstable (despite of the topic i read here) and now my xorg cant open my /dev/input/mice, ive tried some variations for xorg with the same result, any pointer to fix this? |
| 14:27.11 | kspath | zu22: No projections on losses/problems caused by "casino slots" ? |
| 14:27.21 | zu22 | Ronin: there are 3 groups fighting for the license, only 1 has agreed to fully fund a new arena with no taxpayer subsidies, another makes the Pens pay $7 million a year towards it and another is sort of hazy on details |
| 14:27.36 | zu22 | kspath: none according to our esteemed governor heh |
| 14:27.52 | Jaggz- | I am pursuing that route too .. in #xine. |
| 14:27.57 | kspath | zu22,Ronin,kspath : there is a #debian-offtopic for non-debian things we can try to use. |
| 14:28.04 | Jaggz- | I can't find where to add the other repository.. sorry |
| 14:28.10 | novata_peleona | i am using sendmail as MTA. sending mails from user_linux@hostname to user_ISP@ISP.com fails. from user1@ISP.com to user2@ISP.com it goes. This is log:http://pastebin.com/726564 Any help? |
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| 14:28.38 | Ronin | kspath: hockey is never off topic ;) |
| 14:28.41 | Jaggz- | there it is.. a little searching can do wonders |
| 14:28.51 | kspath | novata_peleona: There is a #sendmail |
| 14:29.22 | hddcdfd0 | i have a slow pc, what i'd need of a very light web browser. in ms there is "offbyone" but in debian i dont know. please can you suggest me? |
| 14:29.25 | novata_peleona | kspath, there is no help there. |
| 14:29.41 | kspath | hddcdfd0: lynx, links2, dillo |
| 14:29.42 | Jaggz- | hot damn! |
| 14:29.57 | Jaggz- | and it even tells me to use apt-get -f install to fix it. thanks :) |
| 14:30.09 | hddcdfd0 | i have a slow pc, i'd need of a very light GUI web browser. in ms there is "offbyone" but in debian i dont know. please can you suggest me? |
| 14:30.11 | mccune | Wow google notebook owns me. |
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| 14:30.20 | Ronin | hddcdfd0: read what kspath said |
| 14:30.20 | kspath | novata_peleona: This is #debian and should be for debian specific issues. There is/are sendmail mailing lists and numerous sites and documentation and the Bat book and ... |
| 14:30.45 | Ronin | hddcdfd0: out of curiosity what wm are you using? |
| 14:30.56 | kspath | hddcdfd0: dillo is/has gui interface |
| 14:30.58 | hddcdfd0 | kspath;-) are gui ? |
| 14:31.06 | mccune | hddcdfd0: "very light" and "gui" don't really go together. |
| 14:31.06 | kspath | hddcdfd0: Did you look? |
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| 14:31.26 | tarzeau | hddcdfd0: links2 -g |
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| 14:31.33 | quitte | hddcdfd0: dillo might fit your needs. or links2 |
| 14:31.43 | tarzeau | hddcdfd0: it can even do gui without X (framebuffer or svgalib) |
| 14:31.45 | kspath | hddcdfd0: apt-cache search dillo; apt-cache search lynx;apt-cache search links2;apt-cache search w3 |
| 14:31.54 | hddcdfd0 | thank you guys |
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| 14:32.04 | tarzeau | kspath: lynx,w3 don't do gui, right? |
| 14:32.15 | tarzeau | mccune: yes they go |
| 14:32.22 | kspath | tarzeau: w3 has almost as much "gui" as links2 |
| 14:32.25 | GoAuLd | my konqueror "Extract here.." is missing, someone can send me de servicemenu.desktop or something please |
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| 14:32.52 | StereoSkit | dudes, im at work and i cant work due to i cant start the Xserver, is there any pointerto fix this `cannot open device /dev/input/mice`? |
| 14:33.08 | kspath | tarzeau: I always suggest lynx as a back, just in case |
| 14:33.10 | GoAuLd | its located in $HOME/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus |
| 14:33.11 | mccune | StereoSkit: Plug a mouse in. |
| 14:33.20 | kspath | tarzeau: s/back/back up/ |
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| 14:34.07 | Jaggz- | thanks all |
| 14:34.08 | StereoSkit | anyone? |
| 14:34.14 | Jaggz- | anyone know how to get codecs into xine? |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | !tell Jaggz- about w32codecs |
| 14:35.06 | StereoSkit | !xorg7.0 |
| 14:35.12 | StereoSkit | ,xorg7.0 |
| 14:35.31 | streuner | StereoSkit: modprobe mousedev |
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| 14:36.34 | streuner | StereoSkit: if you using a PS/2 mouse, just subsitute /dev/mice/mouse to /dev/psaux in X config file |
| 14:36.36 | StereoSkit | streuner: that made it |
| 14:36.51 | StereoSkit | ill write that down, thanx a lot |
| 14:37.01 | streuner | np |
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| 14:37.11 | stew | StereoSkit: write it down in /etc/modules |
| 14:37.46 | thingfish | it's /dev/mice/mouse, and not /dev/input/mice? |
| 14:38.09 | streuner | <StereoSkit> dudes, im at work and i cant work due to i cant start the Xserver, is there any pointerto fix this `cannot open device /dev/input/mice`? |
| 14:38.16 | thingfish | s/mice/mouse |
| 14:38.29 | thingfish | I meant /dev/input/mouse |
| 14:38.50 | thingfish | no wait, mice dammit |
| 14:38.53 | streuner | StereoSkit: ^^^^, you heart it... |
| 14:38.54 | thingfish | I give up. |
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| 14:39.13 | streuner | s/heart/saw/ ;-) |
| 14:39.17 | stew | rm /dev/input/fish :) |
| 14:39.24 | streuner | haha |
| 14:39.26 | thingfish | heh boy really |
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| 14:39.38 | thingfish | yay! |
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| 14:40.02 | phole | hi hier sagt mal gibt es eine copy befehl der mir den fortschritt und den datendurchsatz anzeigt ? |
| 14:40.03 | streuner | asg: thanks, that reminds me, to put a 'Weizen' into the cold box ;-) |
| 14:40.09 | streuner | phole: english |
| 14:40.13 | phole | soory |
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| 14:40.27 | asg | streuner: Hacker Shorr? |
| 14:40.28 | streuner | phole: not with cp, but mc does it |
| 14:40.46 | streuner | asg: different, Oettinger, Parkbru |
| 14:40.46 | phole | okay thx |
| 14:40.50 | asg | streuner: *nod* |
| 14:41.03 | streuner | cafuego wrote a script for cp |
| 14:41.07 | streuner | IIRC |
| 14:41.17 | stew | its not warm enough for weizen yet |
| 14:41.21 | streuner | asg: and 'Veltins' |
| 14:41.39 | streuner | stew: true, it only taste good if its hot |
| 14:41.40 | stew | streuner: i missed the first part, what does mc do that cp wont? |
| 14:41.58 | streuner | stew: show the percentage of work |
| 14:42.08 | stew | ahh |
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| 14:42.34 | StereoSkit | heart, saw, fish omg |
| 14:42.36 | Jaggz- | I'm actually using ubuntu.. is that considered bad here? |
| 14:42.55 | stew | Jaggz-: no, we just don't support it, please go to #ubuntu for help |
| 14:42.56 | asg | Jaggz-: no bad, we just don't support it in #debian |
| 14:43.01 | asg | *not |
| 14:43.04 | Jaggz- | heh |
| 14:43.30 | Jaggz- | k... because I have some good qualities |
| 14:43.39 | Jaggz- | err.. I mean, qualities which you would likely support. |
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| 14:45.07 | kolibrie | I did a partial upgrade yesterday and lost my display and keyboard after running startx. Since then I have done a dist-upgrade and corrected all my Xorg.0.log (EE) lines. Still I get a blank screen and no keyboard control after typing startx. Any ideas? |
| 14:45.10 | callee | how can i install a kernel image once i have compiled it from the sources? |
| 14:45.13 | netcrash | Hello, I have a problem I'm using ATI Rage IIC on a celeron 700Mhz , 512 RAM ... But the display of graphics is very slow ... How can I solve this problem ? ( the not expensive way ) |
| 14:45.27 | callee | is there a special installer? |
| 14:45.39 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 14:45.39 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 14:45.41 | asg | callee: did you compile it with make-kpkg? |
| 14:45.42 | callee | i want to remove the stuff again, in case there is an update |
| 14:45.49 | callee | asg: not yet |
| 14:45.53 | asg | callee: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:46.00 | streuner | kolibrie: what version of debian (dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1) and videocard do you use? |
| 14:46.02 | asg | callee: that will give you a Debian you can install/remove like any other. |
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| 14:46.38 | callee | asg: where can i get that make-kpkg? |
| 14:46.53 | asg | callee: just follow the factoid (/msg dpkg kp) |
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| 14:48.20 | kolibrie | streuner: debian-unstable, libc6 2.3.6-7, Intel Corporation 82865G (i810) |
| 14:48.48 | streuner | kolibrie: and that worked before in stable? |
| 14:49.21 | kolibrie | streuner: was always unstable, but its been months since I upgraded before this |
| 14:49.39 | streuner | kolibrie: what does BTS say about? |
| 14:49.45 | kolibrie | streuner: display worked properly under Xorg yesterday before upgrade |
| 14:49.53 | kolibrie | streuner: BTS? |
| 14:50.01 | streuner | !bts |
| 14:50.01 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 14:50.37 | superlinux | hi all |
| 14:50.49 | superlinux | !defrag |
| 14:50.49 | dpkg | it has been said that defrag is the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 14:50.53 | streuner | kolibrie: install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges, if you haven't them installed yet |
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| 14:52.52 | kolibrie | streuner: installing now |
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| 14:54.01 | Jaggz- | okay.. well thanks.. I'll hang around in #ubuntu .. thanks again :) |
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| 14:55.29 | superlinux | !e2defrag |
| 14:55.34 | superlinux | !e2frag |
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| 14:56.19 | stew | !defrag |
| 14:56.19 | dpkg | it has been said that defrag is the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 14:56.20 | thingfish | superlinux: are you wanting a defrag app? Defrag is not usually necessary with linux. |
| 14:56.41 | superlinux | well I just wanna check only ..i know that |
| 14:56.54 | superlinux | what is its name? |
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| 14:57.36 | thingfish | why does my cat have a fascination with antistatic bags. |
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| 14:58.02 | stew | becuase the silica gel inside is yummy |
| 14:58.15 | asg | thingfish: also, licking bags helps induce vomiting to get rid of hairballs |
| 14:58.19 | superlinux | thingfish, because now she won't be electrified! |
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| 14:58.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 14:58.33 | kolibrie | streuner: installed apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges. Don't see any revelant bugs for xorg. What other packages might I look under? |
| 14:58.56 | stew | kolibrie: what driver are you using? |
| 14:59.02 | streuner | i810 |
| 14:59.12 | kolibrie | exactly |
| 14:59.25 | streuner | there was a change in 7.0, more different packages |
| 14:59.40 | streuner | look for xserver-xorg-i810 or such |
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| 14:59.55 | stew | xserver-xorg-video-i810 or something |
| 15:00.20 | stew | kolibrie: and check http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 15:00.25 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# dpkg -l | grep i810 |
| 15:00.25 | streuner | ii xserver-xorg-video-i810 1.5.1.0-2 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d |
| 15:00.29 | Morden | hiya, is there a way that I can open from a shell script a website and submit the form that's on there with the default data that is in that form? |
| 15:00.32 | timex | hi everyone |
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| 15:02.27 | afed | dpkg: big butts |
| 15:02.43 | timex | How can I find telnet gui in gnome |
| 15:02.57 | Ronin | telnet gui? |
| 15:03.12 | Ronin | why not just open a term and type telnet target |
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| 15:03.27 | stew | timex: you can use putty |
| 15:03.31 | timex | Ronin: right |
| 15:04.01 | Ronin | timex: whats the problem? it works |
| 15:04.12 | Eclipser_ | hum |
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| 15:04.14 | timex | stew: yep, I installed that ,but it cannot display chinese |
| 15:04.42 | Ronin | well you didnt say that timex |
| 15:04.48 | kolibrie | streuner: have same xserver-xorg-video-i810 version, and see no bugs listed |
| 15:04.48 | Eclipser_ | is there a "the way" to give regular user access to /dev/net/tun when loading tun.ko |
| 15:04.53 | timex | Ronin: I like the backgound color to be black and the character to be light green looks like an old machine |
| 15:04.55 | abrotman | h0w 1nst4l1 WMP 0n d3b1an ? |
| 15:04.59 | kolibrie | stew: reading http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 now |
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| 15:05.34 | quitte | abrotman: crossover office maybe |
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| 15:05.49 | quitte | hehe |
| 15:05.49 | streuner | kolibrie: show us the whole output of X log (/var/log) in paster bot |
| 15:05.50 | clarity_ | hey how do you get into the menu driven apt-get package setup |
| 15:05.59 | streuner | kolibrie: /msg dpkg apte |
| 15:06.01 | abrotman | tasksel ? |
| 15:06.04 | abrotman | aptitude ? |
| 15:06.09 | clarity_ | not the xwindow one... the console one |
| 15:06.16 | streuner | kolibrie: /msg dpkg paste |
| 15:06.29 | kolibrie | streuner: ok |
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| 15:11.44 | Jnoo | hi |
| 15:12.10 | Jnoo | how can I use the iptables tweaks that are made by firestarter without the need to launch firestarter |
| 15:12.11 | Slonko | hello need help upgrading from 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 15:12.16 | Slonko | to the latest |
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| 15:13.31 | Jnoo | anyone ? |
| 15:13.51 | Jnoo | how can I use the iptables tweaks that are made by firestarter without the need to launch firestarter ? |
| 15:14.16 | abrotman | !yinzersmite zu22 |
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| 15:15.07 | kspath | Jnoo: scripts in /etc ? |
| 15:15.16 | Slonko | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.31 | Gnea | !tell Slonko about repeat |
| 15:15.41 | stew | Slonko: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kenrel |
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| 15:16.25 | kolibrie | streuner: stew: Xorg.0.log -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/2573 |
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| 15:18.49 | jonathan` | sendmail is installed on debian but the 'host' i guess it sends to is "localhost.localdomain" and its getting blocked by a lot of spam filters |
| 15:18.50 | Slonko | thanks but I get this error |
| 15:18.53 | Slonko | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 (2.4.27-10sarge1) ... |
| 15:18.53 | Slonko | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: checkpkg: dpkg -s modutils failed |
| 15:18.53 | Slonko | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 15:18.53 | Slonko | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 (--configure): |
| 15:18.53 | Slonko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.54 | jonathan` | where do you change it? |
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| 15:19.44 | stew | Slonko: apt-get install modutils |
| 15:19.47 | stew | !tell Slonko about flood |
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| 15:21.05 | Slonko | I get this error: |
| 15:21.06 | Slonko | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: checkpkg: dpkg -s modutils failed |
| 15:21.06 | Slonko | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 15:21.17 | streuner | kolibrie: i cannot see an error? |
| 15:21.23 | stew | Slonko: what version of the modutils package do you have installed? |
| 15:21.55 | rubypo | wich unix program tells 'exactly' what is non-printable chars? |
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| 15:22.50 | kolibrie | streuner: correct, no errors, but my display is blank and the keyboard is unresponsive |
| 15:23.23 | kolibrie | streuner: ps ax|grep x shows no X processes |
| 15:23.24 | streuner | kolibrie: how did you start X? |
| 15:23.32 | kolibrie | streuner: startx |
| 15:23.32 | streuner | via startx? |
| 15:23.45 | streuner | hm, and what happens then? |
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| 15:24.26 | _fluffee | Does anyone speak slrn? I've got a setting set that I cannot find in ~jnewsrc or env |
| 15:24.34 | Slonko | how do i find out my modutils version? |
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| 15:25.00 | kolibrie | display goes graphic, flashes a couple times between lit and unlit, and then just sits there, on but blank |
| 15:25.05 | stew | Slonko: what does "apt-cache policy modutils" show for "Installed:"? |
| 15:25.22 | kolibrie | streuner: the keyboard is also dead |
| 15:25.34 | streuner | kolibrie: what does 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg' say? |
| 15:25.38 | stew | kolibrie: you can't switch back to a vt with ctrl-alt-f1? |
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| 15:26.11 | kolibrie | stew: does nothing (neither does num-lock) |
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| 15:27.07 | kolibrie | streuner: ii xserver-xorg 7.0.18 the X.Org X server |
| 15:27.41 | streuner | kolibrie: ok, run apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 15:28.27 | kolibrie | streuner: x-window-system is already the newest version. |
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| 15:28.51 | streuner | kolibrie: do you use an custom kernel? |
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| 15:30.39 | kolibrie | streuner: no, have kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 15:30.52 | stew | that's rather old |
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| 15:31.22 | kolibrie | streuner: had to comment out dri because it was failing |
| 15:31.28 | HalcyonFreak | hello everybody |
| 15:31.34 | opqdonut | hi |
| 15:31.39 | kolibrie | stew: I can try upgrading the kernel |
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| 15:32.07 | streuner | well, there is a bug which could be relevant |
| 15:32.09 | HalcyonFreak | im from uruguay |
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| 15:32.23 | HalcyonFreak | i wnat to be member of this comunity |
| 15:32.30 | streuner | !dbugs 362927 |
| 15:32.34 | dpkg | #362927:W[aptitude] aptitude: [INTL:ro] Romanian translation update; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:48:05 UTC |
| 15:32.41 | Ronin | HalcyonFreak: what community? |
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| 15:32.44 | streuner | !dbugs 362977 |
| 15:32.47 | dpkg | #362977:I[xserver-xorg-video-i810] xserver-xorg-video-i810: framebuffer offset by 32k pixels; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:48:05 UTC |
| 15:32.58 | tralala | HalcyonFreak: that's really easy. Install debian, hang around and that's pretty much all. |
| 15:33.20 | streuner | kolibrie: choose 'VESA' in the meantime |
| 15:33.35 | clarity_ | yah, I'm still working on the insntalling debian part |
| 15:33.38 | HalcyonFreak | ok |
| 15:33.51 | HalcyonFreak | but, now im studing c# |
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| 15:34.03 | clarity_ | isn't c# only windows? |
| 15:34.06 | Ronin | HalcyonFreak: doesnt mean you cant run/learn debian |
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| 15:34.14 | HalcyonFreak | ok |
| 15:34.25 | HalcyonFreak | i know it, but let me explain |
| 15:34.29 | streuner | clarity_: hell, no |
| 15:34.41 | clarity_ | interesting |
| 15:34.51 | stew | kolibrie: i wouldn't guess that the kernel is actually the source of your problem. it is however a very old kernel that you should consider replacing. |
| 15:34.54 | HalcyonFreak | i want to know what tool can i install in my computer to develop in c# for win |
| 15:34.56 | streuner | freenode is for open(free) source |
| 15:34.58 | HalcyonFreak | mono may be? |
| 15:35.28 | tralala | HalcyonFreak: what makes you think that this is the right place to ask win questions? |
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| 15:35.34 | clarity_ | ah.. mono/dotgnu |
| 15:35.54 | HalcyonFreak | no, but micorofost is the real fuck |
| 15:35.55 | clarity_ | last time I checked mono/dotgnu sucked... then again that was 4 years ago |
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| 15:36.03 | HalcyonFreak | i dont want to use windows, |
| 15:36.12 | Slonko | ive got a debian upgrade question if anyones feeling helpful? |
| 15:36.31 | HalcyonFreak | im using red hat, but i need use microsoft because in my school use it |
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| 15:36.42 | clarity_ | hal1on: vmware |
| 15:36.50 | clarity_ | HalcyonFreak: vmware even |
| 15:36.50 | Ronin | Slonko: best just ask teh question |
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| 15:36.52 | clarity_ | or bochs |
| 15:37.01 | Ronin | HalcyonFreak: dualboot |
| 15:37.05 | clarity_ | you can run windows within linux |
| 15:37.12 | clarity_ | or you can dualboot |
| 15:37.16 | kolibrie | streuner: to choose VESA, switch my driver from i810 to vesa? |
| 15:37.17 | HalcyonFreak | i know |
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| 15:37.32 | hobophobe | According to the Flash Play 7 FAQ, to get fonts working I need to create a symlink pointing to /usr/X11R6/lib/fs/config that points to /etc/X11/fs/config; the problem is, there is no /etc/X11/fs/config but there is /etc/X11/fonts (but still no config) so where should I be pointing or what do I need to install/do (if possible)? |
| 15:37.43 | HalcyonFreak | i only want a software like visual studio 2005, but free |
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| 15:37.47 | kolibrie | stew: ok, I'll upgrade my kernel sometime soon |
| 15:37.49 | HalcyonFreak | waqth abuot mono? |
| 15:38.01 | streuner | kolibrie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose 'VESA' |
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| 15:38.11 | Slonko | ok when i do "aptitude install aptitude" i get: |
| 15:38.11 | Slonko | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 (2.4.27-10sarge1) ... |
| 15:38.11 | Slonko | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: checkpkg: dpkg -s modutils failed |
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| 15:38.40 | Slonko | then: |
| 15:38.41 | Slonko | Failed to create initrd image. |
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| 15:40.38 | kolibrie | streuner: do I want the framebuffer device interface? |
| 15:41.34 | stew | Slonko: when you run "dpkg -s modutils &>/dev/null && echo yes" do you see "yes"? |
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| 15:42.24 | Slonko | im sure i would if i was stupid enough to try! |
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| 15:42.46 | kolibrie | streuner: in regards to bug 362977, I don't think that's it, because I don't see any x processes running |
| 15:42.47 | thingfish | Slonko: you can trust stew. |
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| 15:44.24 | Slonko | dpkg -s modutils works ok and it looks happy, so have u any ideas? |
| 15:44.24 | dpkg | There is no record of a modutils works ok and it looks happy, so have u any ideas package |
| 15:44.59 | Slonko | "dpkg -s modutils" works ok and it looks happy, so have u any ideas? |
| 15:45.53 | Slonko | its version Version: 2.4.26-1.2 |
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| 15:47.10 | rsa_md5 | when I try to install a driver in ubuntu 5.10, the setup programs asks for something like kernel source tree. What is this exactly? |
| 15:47.20 | Ronin | rsa_md5: wrong channel i think |
| 15:47.28 | asg | rsa_md5: the source code for the kernel; ask #ubuntu for help |
| 15:47.41 | Silent_al | hello , how can i remove with apt-get un-used dependencies? |
| 15:47.51 | Morden | hiya, is there a way that I can open from a shell script a website and submit the form that's on there with the default data that is in that form? |
| 15:47.54 | asg | Silent_al: deborphan |
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| 15:48.08 | lacee | Hi! |
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| 15:48.40 | Silent_al | asg, thank u |
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| 15:50.03 | Benix | Silent_al: try apt-get install deborphan && apt-get remove --purge $(deborphan) |
| 15:50.28 | Benix | Silent_al: you may want to do it as long deborphan is unable to find any orphans |
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| 15:51.07 | Silent_al | Benix, done , thanx :) |
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| 15:52.10 | UniXoiDe | hi all |
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| 15:53.20 | UniXoiDe | plz I wanna exploid my phone with AT command via serial port |
| 15:53.33 | hobophobe | is that 'exploit' or 'explode?' |
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| 15:53.37 | hobophobe | or explore? |
| 15:53.43 | UniXoiDe | explore |
| 15:53.46 | UniXoiDe | :p |
| 15:53.46 | lacee | Hi! Could somebody tell me, how can I obtain the configuration of the kernel which resides on the install CD? Thx. |
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| 15:54.22 | GoAuLd | lacee ls /boot |
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| 15:54.36 | GoAuLd | there is a config file there |
| 15:54.37 | stew | lacee: http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig you want the 2.4.27-2-386 and the 2.6.8-2-386 configs |
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| 15:54.39 | lastnode | lacee, what do you mean configuration? the kernel options? |
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| 15:55.04 | UniXoiDe | so can anyone help me |
| 15:55.04 | lacee | lastnode: Yes. I'd like to have a .config file |
| 15:55.20 | GoAuLd | lacee thats the /boot/config-kernel-number |
| 15:55.30 | lastnode | lacee, what GoAuLd said |
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| 15:56.05 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.28 | hobophobe | I don't know anything much about that, google seems to mention 'Gammu' as a project for that sort of thing UniXoiDe but not sure if it is what you need |
| 15:56.30 | fluxdude | the largefile and largefile4 options when makeing an ext3 filesystem seem to allocate 1MB per inode, or 4MB per inode. Does this mean that creating a 10K file uses 1 inode and the rest of the 3.9MB is wasted? |
| 15:56.40 | vipersniper | i have to /usr/sbin/dhcpd eth1 start |
| 15:56.50 | hobophobe | http://mobile.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/18/2052226&tid=132&tid=14 |
| 15:57.09 | UniXoiDe | hobophobe, I know it ... and I used gnokii |
| 15:57.11 | lacee | lastnode: Yes, That's right, there is a config-<version> file, after the system is installed. But I'm afraid, I have a SCSI controller which is probably not supported by the installation kernel |
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| 15:57.18 | stew | vipersniper: man interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 15:57.22 | Silent_al | alright.. another problem , i cant load any mp3 file to Quod-libet\Listen\Ex-Falso , but, works greats with Audacios\Rythembox\BMP.. any suggestions? |
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| 15:57.39 | lastnode | lacee, roll your own kernel? modprobe the driver you want? |
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| 15:57.45 | vipersniper | I know i need to make a symlink ln -s /usr/sbin/dhcpd eth1 to something rc.d.local not sure |
| 15:57.46 | stew | lacee: what does "uname -r" say? what scsi controller? |
| 15:57.51 | UniXoiDe | but I wana communicate with AT command directely |
| 15:57.52 | rggjan | Hi you all! |
| 15:58.08 | stew | vipersniper: oh wait, you want to start the server, not a client |
| 15:58.14 | rggjan | Anyone knows what to do when "There are differences between boot sector and its backup. " on a Fat32 partition? |
| 15:58.15 | vipersniper | yes |
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| 15:58.21 | vipersniper | stew, yes |
| 15:58.27 | rggjan | That's what a dosfsck is giving my... |
| 15:58.47 | lacee | stew: That an IBM xSeries server with LSI Logic SCSI driver or sth like that. 2 yrs, ago I |
| 15:58.50 | vipersniper | stew, dhcpd server |
| 15:58.58 | stew | vipersniper: you should already have a /etc/init.d/dhcpd, use update-rc.d to enable it |
| 15:59.10 | stew | vipersniper: or rcconf if you don't like update-rc.d |
| 15:59.28 | lacee | stew: ... I have some trouble with this machine, because the installer didn't recognized the SCSI contorller |
| 16:00.10 | vipersniper | stew, what command to use with update-rc.d |
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| 16:00.43 | gnychis | should devfs be enabled if you use 2.4 kernel? |
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| 16:01.28 | treyh0 | xmail is the new default installed with debian etch? |
| 16:01.35 | vihang | vipersniper : you want the hard way or a easy way? |
| 16:01.42 | blondie | treyh0: mailx? |
| 16:01.51 | hobophobe | According to Flash 7 FAQ to get fonts I need to symlink /usr/X11R6/lib/fs/config points to /etc/X11/fs/config; there is no /etc/X11/fs nor ./config.. ? (using debian with xorg) |
| 16:01.56 | vipersniper | vihang, easy way |
| 16:01.59 | vipersniper | ;) |
| 16:02.20 | abrotman | vipersniper: man update-rc.d ... |
| 16:02.20 | kolibrie | stew: streuner: switched from i810 to vesa, still no Xorg.0.log errors, now the screen has some distorted red, blue and grey text? at the top, rather than being completely blank |
| 16:02.25 | abrotman | !tell vipersniper about update-rc.d |
| 16:02.26 | treyh0 | blondie: no, xmail, i just installed etch beta 2 amd64, got xmail instead of exim |
| 16:02.31 | lacee | stew: This config http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/config-2.4.27-2-386 is the same which comes on the install CD? |
| 16:02.32 | treyh0 | blondie: comes with a pop3 server too... |
| 16:02.42 | vihang | install sysvconfig.. |
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| 16:02.44 | treyh0 | "standard packages" in takssel |
| 16:02.59 | kolibrie | stew: I may just upgrade my kernel to give my brain a break |
| 16:03.02 | blondie | ewwwwwwwwwww pop3 |
| 16:03.08 | stew | !CMD: which module for (.*?): is ($which) <reply> to find which modules supports $which, run grep $(lspci -n |awk '/$which//{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}') /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 16:03.16 | stew | !hi |
| 16:03.16 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 16:03.24 | stew | !which module for 0401 |
| 16:03.29 | abrotman | treyh0: it doesn't install a pop3 server by default |
| 16:03.35 | stew | hrm, /me takes this to #debian-bots |
| 16:03.36 | vihang | vipersniper : and then use sysvconfig to enable it while booting.. |
| 16:03.51 | stew | lacee: did you try the 2.6 install kernel? or just the 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:03.57 | stew | vipersniper: use rcconf |
| 16:04.01 | treyh0 | abrotman: there is a pop3 server running on my debian etch beta2 amd64 by default -- i left the tasksel screen as it was already, with "Standard" system checked |
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| 16:04.16 | abrotman | treyh0: not likely |
| 16:04.20 | treyh0 | i had never even heard of xmail |
| 16:05.04 | incorrect | i've just installed debian, for some reason my fonts are very ugly |
| 16:05.11 | treyh0 | well, it is, and i know for a fact it is, i don't have to "prove" it to you, just wondering, and apparently the amd64 port is broke at the moment (using ftp.us.debian.org) because noone even knows about xmail |
| 16:05.13 | incorrect | under xorg that is |
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| 16:05.25 | abrotman | treyh0: what pop3 server is it ? |
| 16:05.29 | treyh0 | abrotman: xmail |
| 16:05.36 | treyh0 | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/xmail |
| 16:05.37 | treyh0 | it's that |
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| 16:06.01 | treyh0 | i dont have a problem if its the new default, just wondered about it, that's all |
| 16:06.17 | hobophobe | well I know that debian uses defoma now, is there an equivalent config file for it that I should point to, for example? |
| 16:06.18 | abrotman | ask #debian-boot .. if it's installed by default .. it's a bug |
| 16:06.21 | lacee | stew: As far as I remember I've tried with 2.4. I know, that the underlineing scsi ctrl is supported anyway, but I don't whether the module is included in the "install kernel" |
| 16:06.33 | treyh0 | ok |
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| 16:06.46 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am a novice, i am looking to get the list of packages installed and their versions. i tried something like dpkg -l | cut -f3-5 d' ' it shows only the package names and not the versions. would appreciate some help |
| 16:06.51 | abrotman | treyh0: you're sure you didn't check a box accidentally? |
| 16:06.59 | stew | lacee: the install kernels are full blown kernels now, they should support practically anything supportable by that kernel version |
| 16:07.20 | treyh0 | abrotman: yeah |
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| 16:07.44 | treyh0 | abrotman: when it was configuring packages, i expected to see exim configuration screen, but it said "Xmail" stuff |
| 16:07.48 | stew | lacee: from my site, yes config-2.4.27-2-386 is what comes on the cd, but the cd also has config-2.6.8-2-386 if you boot with the "linux26" boot: parameter |
| 16:08.06 | treyh0 | i'm asking #debian-boot |
| 16:08.11 | abrotman | treyh0: is the pop3 disabled by default? |
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| 16:08.17 | treyh0 | abrotman: no, it's open |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | eh .. weird |
| 16:08.35 | abrotman | i'd consider it a bug .. but maybe they don't |
| 16:08.39 | cahoot | incorrect: you might have use of the font section in 'Debian reference' |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | !wikifaq Fonts |
| 16:08.55 | treyh0 | if it's intentional thats fine, i am going to try the 386 build maybe to see if it uses exim |
| 16:08.56 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 16:09.01 | treyh0 | maybe its just a exim build problem on amd64 |
| 16:09.18 | abrotman | treyh0: you could ask #debian-boot if it's intentional .. but i'd consider pop3 open by default to be a bug |
| 16:09.30 | rggjan | Noone who knows more about FAT32? |
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| 16:11.22 | lacee | stew: Thank u.for the info. I'll try both kernels :) I'm now preparing the installation for monday. It's going to be a production system and I don't have much time to do the upgrade from redhat9 to debian sarge. |
| 16:11.53 | stew | lacee: if the 2.6 kernel on the install disk doesn't support it you can also try an installer with 2.6.15: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 16:12.05 | hobophobe | My problem is rather trivial... I just need to point where this plugin thinks the list of fonts are to a place where it can find a list that is what it's looking for... I guess even if that means creating a list by hand to the specifications of 'fs' or whatever the fontserver it expects I have which I don't. |
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| 16:12.54 | cahoot | hobophobe: you strive to understand how to use defoma? |
| 16:13.59 | fluxdude | cahoot: I strive to understand it too |
| 16:14.09 | hobophobe | I merely need to know where to point a symlink (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config) the FAQ said to point that at /etc/X11/fs/config, which doesn't exist either |
| 16:14.16 | cahoot | hobophobe: I've searched but never found a sufficiently simple howto for my needs |
| 16:14.24 | lacee | stew: could u tell me which CD images are bootable? I remember woody offered several cd images, and there was a different kernel on each other |
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| 16:14.45 | treyh0 | wow, http://packages.debian.org/testing/mail/exim4-base -- no support for amd64 ?? |
| 16:15.04 | cahoot | hobophobe: what faq? |
| 16:15.28 | hobophobe | Flash Player 7.. http://macromedia.mplug.org/faq.html .. it's Q/A #11 |
| 16:15.29 | stew | lacee: use either cd1: /msg dpkg d-i ; or a netinst: /msg dpkg netinst ; both of those will have both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel on them those are you only 2 "official" choices, or you try /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 16:16.01 | stew | hobophobe: do you have gsfonts-x11 installed? |
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| 16:16.30 | Benix | guys, dpkg dpl is wrong ;) |
| 16:16.37 | rayden | anyone know much about email bourne viruses? |
| 16:16.42 | stew | !dpl |
| 16:16.42 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 16:16.47 | hobophobe | stew, I do now. |
| 16:16.59 | stew | hobophobe: that might fix flash font problems, restart mozilla |
| 16:17.21 | stew | !dpl =~ s#Branden Robinson ("Overfiend")#Anthony Towns# |
| 16:17.21 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 16:17.29 | abrotman | stew: ajt ? |
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| 16:17.51 | hobophobe | No dice :o/ |
| 16:17.51 | stew | !dpl =~ s#Anthony Towns#Anthony Towns (aj | ajt)# |
| 16:17.51 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:17.51 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 16:17.54 | StereoSkit | omg, dpkg says Branden as DPL |
| 16:17.56 | Silent_al | alright.. another problem , i cant import mp3 files\folders to Quod-libet\Listen\Ex-Falso , but, works greats with Audacios\Rythembox\BMP.. any suggestions? |
| 16:18.02 | lacee | stew: Ok, thx. |
| 16:18.05 | Benix | stew: great |
| 16:18.06 | UniXoiDe | Holborn, We can use minicom to communicate via AT command |
| 16:18.12 | StereoSkit | !DPL |
| 16:18.12 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns ajt. See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 16:18.13 | lacee | Have a nice weekend |
| 16:18.15 | lacee | bye |
| 16:18.16 | StereoSkit | ^_^ |
| 16:18.24 | rayden | f-secure found nothing. |
| 16:18.26 | stew | hah, now we get a random nick |
| 16:18.36 | StereoSkit | !2ic |
| 16:18.42 | stew | !dpl =~ s#(aj | ajt)#(aj)# |
| 16:18.42 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:18.47 | StereoSkit | !2ic |
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| 16:19.34 | rayden | but kaspersky has already found a worm in my firefox profile. |
| 16:19.46 | rossi | anyone can help me which lists I have to copy from http://www.backports.org/backports.org/dists/sarge-backports/ to /var/lib/apt/lists when I want to install a new kernel from there via apt? |
| 16:20.01 | cahoot | hobophobe: If I'm not mistaken the FAQ presumes you have X font server in use |
| 16:20.10 | rayden | would this worm have already sent mail through my hushmail account open in firefox? |
| 16:20.10 | stew | rossi: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 16:20.20 | hobophobe | cahoot, yes... I think Flash does so as well? |
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| 16:20.40 | cahoot | hobophobe: is xfs installed then? |
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| 16:21.09 | rossi | I only can install it offline stew |
| 16:21.38 | stew | rossi: what kernel are you running now? |
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| 16:22.01 | rossi | 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 16:22.06 | rossi | 31r2 |
| 16:22.21 | Linuturk | I'm installing the netinstall version of debian sarge on an Old World Mac (G3 All-in-One) I've managed to get the installer to show up using Bootx, but the installer can't detect my cd drive to get past a certain part of the install. |
| 16:22.32 | hobophobe | cahoot, no. I'll try, I just didn't want to break anything since some programs/servers/daemons will take precedent over others |
| 16:22.47 | stew | rossi: then download the linux-image-2.6.16-1-686-smp and you'll need either the yaird package or the initramfs-tools and udev packages |
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| 16:23.40 | stew | and udev probably has a bunch of dependencies like hal 0.5.7 |
| 16:23.43 | rossi | ah ok I try |
| 16:24.54 | ojai | anyone know how to make BitchX display timestamps for EVERYTHING? |
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| 16:26.03 | Ronin | ojai: /set |
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| 16:29.20 | abrotman | !tell zamaliphe about away |
| 16:29.33 | rossi | how do I get to know all the dependencies I need ? |
| 16:30.00 | Ronin | ahh work days winding down, excellent blues on, beer after work and hockey later, too bad im still instlling xp today :) |
| 16:30.09 | rossi | I have windows booted right know and need to get all files so I can install them when I boot sarge |
| 16:30.24 | abrotman | try packages.debian.org |
| 16:30.27 | Ronin | rossi: no network on sarge? |
| 16:30.31 | zamaliphe | abrotman: ok |
| 16:30.34 | rossi | no |
| 16:30.40 | Ronin | why not? |
| 16:30.51 | rossi | cause I only have it with wlan |
| 16:31.04 | rossi | and my wlan is not working under linux atm |
| 16:31.15 | rossi | I need a newer kernel |
| 16:31.22 | stew | rossi: do you have another debian box handy? |
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| 16:31.30 | rossi | no |
| 16:31.34 | stew | rossi: which wireless card are you trying to use? |
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| 16:31.56 | ojai | Ronin: /set what? I've already did a '/set timestamp on' but that just shows timestamps next to what others are saying -- not when people log in/out or when I say something? |
| 16:32.03 | rossi | rtl8180 mini pci or siemens gigaset pc card 54 pcmcia |
| 16:32.08 | rossi | both did not word |
| 16:32.11 | rossi | work |
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| 16:32.21 | Ronin | ojai: try just /set and look in the status window, but #bitchx would be best to ask in |
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| 16:32.46 | x_or | Anyone know how to install the prism2 wireless USB module? I am somewhat new to debian. I've tried searching using "apt-cache" but I only get a source tarball for hostap. |
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| 16:33.31 | rayden | by looking at sent mail |
| 16:33.39 | rayden | can you tell if a virus has been sending mail for you? |
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| 16:33.51 | rayden | how to tell? |
| 16:33.57 | stew | rayden: what do you mean by "sent mail"? |
| 16:34.06 | ojai | Ronin: ha, yeah, I hit up #bitchx first but I was the *only* one there :( I'll keep looking |
| 16:34.19 | valdyn | x_or: how is that package that contained that source tarball called? |
| 16:34.37 | pon | ojai, what do you want to do with bitchx? |
| 16:34.37 | Ronin | ojai: bitchx doesnt have /set and a ton of options scroll by? also they do have docs on thier website |
| 16:34.51 | x_or | valdyn: hostap-source |
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| 16:35.27 | valdyn | x_or: run: 'apt-get install module-assistant build-essential; m-a prepare; m-a a-i hostap' |
| 16:35.52 | valdyn | x_or: prerequisite is that your current kernel version is supported by hostap-source |
| 16:35.53 | x_or | OK, I will try that. |
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| 16:37.01 | valdyn | x_or: to understand things your should run and read: 'apt-cache show moduleassistant; apt-cache show build-essential; man module-assistant |
| 16:37.22 | valdyn | x_or: apt-cache show module-assistant even |
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| 16:38.06 | x_or | Great, yeah, I have never even seen m-a command before, reading man pages now. |
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| 16:42.17 | Silent_al | hi again , how can i add mp3 to Supported formats: flac, oggvorbis? |
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| 16:42.52 | ojai | pon: I've got '/set timestamp on' enabled in my BitchX .sav file but in addition to it putting a timestamp next to what everyone else says, I'd like it to put a timestamp on when people log in and out as well as when I say something |
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| 16:45.04 | nkuttler | Silent_al: what application? |
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| 16:45.41 | x_or | It looks like I should install the linux-wlan source package, but when I run configure it complains that the linux source tree is incomplete. I ran "apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 && cd /usr/src && tar xjf linux-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2" What do I need to do after this to prepare the source tree? |
| 16:45.59 | Silent_al | nkuttler, quod libet , but i suspect Listen aswell |
| 16:46.10 | x_or | er, "kernel-source..." not "linux-source..." |
| 16:47.13 | valdyn | x_or: you need kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:48.17 | x_or | valdyn: It is installed, I see it in /usr/src. Do I need to symlink it somewhere? It is not a tarball, so what should I do now? |
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| 16:48.36 | valdyn | x_or: nope, nothing |
| 16:48.37 | hddcdfd0 | is it possible to auto-start vnc server? |
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| 16:48.59 | stew | x_or: it should already be symlinked from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 16:49.26 | x_or | stew: Yes, it is, definitely. |
| 16:50.00 | x_or | But, when I run make in the linux-wlan, I see this error: "Linux source directory [/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build]: make Linux source tree make is incomplete or missing!" I suppose this is something specific to linux-wlan. |
| 16:50.42 | hddcdfd0 | is it possible to auto-start vnc server during the booot or at login? |
| 16:50.53 | valdyn | x_or: why don't you use m-a ? |
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| 16:51.54 | valdyn | x_or: for instance: "m-a prepare && m-a a-i linux-wlan" |
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| 16:52.03 | x_or | valdyn: Because I am a perl programmer (translation: "I am lazy") |
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| 16:52.19 | jazzanova | hi |
| 16:52.38 | jazzanova | does anyone know of a free SIP gateway ? |
| 16:52.48 | stew | jazzanova: check voip-info.org |
| 16:53.08 | jazzanova | thanks. |
| 16:53.17 | stew | you left brooklyn! |
| 16:53.21 | x_or | When I run m-a it says "kernel-source-2.4.27 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source" Reading the m-a man page again... |
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| 16:53.39 | jazzanova | stew: are you talking to me ? |
| 16:53.51 | stew | did you leave brooklyn? |
| 16:53.56 | jazzanova | stew: i did. |
| 16:54.07 | jazzanova | are you the guy from #ratpoison ? |
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| 16:54.10 | stew | jazzanova: yeah |
| 16:54.20 | jazzanova | ah! :) |
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| 16:54.24 | jazzanova | yes, I am in Boston now. |
| 16:54.39 | stew | jazzanova: i see that from your hostname :) |
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| 16:55.49 | valdyn | x_or: sure that contains unconfigured kernel source, that is why you have the kernel-headers package |
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| 16:57.23 | x_or | I am just a little confused. I have built kernels from source before, but never within a package system like this. I know this is the path to enlightenment, but I am a little confused as to the tools I use here. Should I run "cd /usr/src/linux && make oldconfig && make dep && make" ? |
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| 16:57.52 | valdyn | x_or: you can do that, but first copy your current config into that tree |
| 16:58.11 | valdyn | x_or: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config |
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| 16:59.15 | zenwryly | anyone know how to randomize a sequence of numbers? |
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| 16:59.27 | jazzanova | I need to connect kphone to some server, so that I can receive calls. |
| 16:59.28 | valdyn | x_or: that is assuming that linux-wlan is broken and requires more than the configured kernel headers. If it does not then that's just redundant work |
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| 16:59.39 | ojai | Ronin: Google is my friend :) http://linuxreviews.org/software/irc/bitchx/#6.4.3 |
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| 17:00.54 | valdyn | zenwryly: echo $RANDOM |
| 17:01.06 | lepton | zenwryly: sure. put them on index cards and shuffle them |
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| 17:06.07 | abrotman | zenwryly: isn't that a programming question ? |
| 17:06.35 | zenwryly | abrotman: I was looking for a *NIX CLI way to do it quickly |
| 17:06.45 | zenwryly | abrotman: maybe some sh one liner or something |
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| 17:07.07 | abrotman | zenwryly: i think valdyn told you how |
| 17:07.43 | zenwryly | abrotman: I don't want a sequence of random numbers, I want to randomize an existing sequence of numbers |
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| 17:14.07 | xam | zenwryly: just 'ed <file>' and press random keys on your keyboard ;) |
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| 17:15.57 | zenwryly | xam: :) |
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| 17:29.43 | kolibrie | stew: upgraded kernel to 2.6.16, did not affect startx causing screen to go blank, so I'm still stuck |
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| 17:33.35 | Vasistha | kolibrie: I know I just arrived... does startx ever bring a picture up, or does it intermittently go blank? I have a laptop that will black out the screen occasionally due to a lousy acpi implementation, and I have a command that I can type in to fix it, but this is an occasional (once per day) problem. Let me know if that'd be useful to you |
| 17:33.55 | bnovc | why is it when i try to 'install x11-common' it attempts to remove 442 packages? |
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| 17:34.53 | Silent_al | help :( how can i add the mp3 format to the Supported formats (flac, mp4, oggvorbis) |
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| 17:35.32 | Vasistha | bnovc: do you have X.org installed? running etch or sarge? |
| 17:35.48 | bnovc | i'm using 'unstable' with 'aptitude install' |
| 17:35.56 | foo | Hm, my wheel mouse scrolls to workspaces at once in fluxbox instead of one .. it is NOT the mouse wheel being sensative. I'm sure it's some option in xorg.conf Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" - that is what I have .. .need to change something there? |
| 17:35.56 | bnovc | i am trying to get wine installed but it requires libxx, which requires x11-common |
| 17:35.58 | stew | bnovc: aptitude install xorg |
| 17:36.15 | bnovc | ok i'll give that a shot, thank you stew |
| 17:36.33 | Vasistha | Silent_al: I'm not certain, but you may need to look into mplayer... |
| 17:36.37 | Vasistha | !marillat |
| 17:36.38 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
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| 17:36.52 | bnovc | xorg won't install either, unfortunetly |
| 17:36.54 | kolibrie | Vasistha: yesterday Xorg worked great, but after upgrade startx tries to switch to graphical mode, flashes black a few times, and then sits there. The keyboard is also dead, and no X processes are running |
| 17:37.21 | Vasistha | kolibrie: welcome to unstable :P |
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| 17:37.33 | kolibrie | Vasistha: yep |
| 17:37.34 | Silent_al | Vasistha, this problem is only with Quod Libet.. i cant load mp3 .. |
| 17:37.45 | bnovc | does anyone have wine installed with unstable? |
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| 17:38.34 | Vasistha | Silent_al: Silent_al have you looked on packages.debian.org ? |
| 17:38.37 | stew | bnovc: why won't xorg install? |
| 17:38.46 | bnovc | stew, a screen worth of dependencies |
| 17:39.05 | bnovc | xfonts, xserver-org, etc |
| 17:39.10 | stew | bnovc: put that and your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 17:39.21 | bnovc | ok i will in just a second |
| 17:39.45 | stew | bnovc: by that, i mean the output of running "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 17:39.50 | kreg_dcdi | if i do an iptables-save /etc/iptables, what calls iptables-restore on reboot and specifically the iptable file? |
| 17:39.51 | bnovc | right i got you |
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| 17:40.08 | Silent_al | Vasistha, i dont really know what to look for |
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| 17:40.48 | bnovc | after a tried to use dpkg -i libxx...whenever i try to install anything else it gives me an error about it |
| 17:40.55 | bnovc | should i dpkg -remove it i suppose? |
| 17:41.00 | stew | bnovc: apt-get -f install |
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| 17:41.30 | bnovc | when i run apt-get -f install by itself it says 252 packages will be removed |
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| 17:41.40 | bnovc | i dont understand why that is |
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| 17:41.51 | bnovc | basically all of KDE |
| 17:42.04 | Bazy | hello people! which package contains the command "dig" ?? |
| 17:42.07 | bnovc | i think there is some more wide that is wrong with my apt |
| 17:42.23 | meff | Bazy: packages.debian.org will tell you |
| 17:42.25 | bnovc | something, rather |
| 17:42.40 | stew | Bazy: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:43.00 | bnovc | is it SUPPOSED to arbitrarily remove KDE and its related files? |
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| 17:43.25 | bnovc | i'll pastebin this one first |
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| 17:43.52 | Bazy | meff stew thanx |
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| 17:44.45 | bnovc | stew, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q7u8AT23.html |
| 17:44.55 | bnovc | source.list is at the bottom |
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| 17:45.16 | simonrvn | oh, murphy's IP changed |
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| 17:45.56 | bnovc | stew, is that something that is easily changable? i'm thinking about changing distributions so i can have updated packages without these troubles |
| 17:46.08 | valdyn | bnovc: what is that debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 17:46.19 | bnovc | the bot just said it a minute ago here so i added it |
| 17:46.27 | bnovc | !marillat |
| 17:46.27 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 17:46.29 | bnovc | that |
| 17:46.43 | bnovc | it does the same thing with or without it there |
| 17:47.07 | stew | bnovc: is what easily changable? what do you mean by change distributions? |
| 17:47.17 | valdyn | bnovc: run 'apt-get -f install kde' |
| 17:47.26 | bnovc | valdyn, kde is already installed though? |
| 17:47.28 | bnovc | i'm using it right now |
| 17:47.41 | valdyn | bnovc: i can read, i see its installed |
| 17:47.42 | stew | bnovc: that will upgrade it to the unstable version |
| 17:47.49 | bnovc | stew, i mean have it not try to remove KDE arbitrarily and to get wine installed without a few more hours of hassle, and i mean delete debian |
| 17:47.58 | bnovc | valdyn, oh sorry, i misunderstood |
| 17:48.07 | bnovc | stew, it will REMOVE and then upgrade? |
| 17:48.15 | stew | no |
| 17:48.34 | bnovc | bah, i'll just let it uninstall and then reinstall it after |
| 17:48.37 | stew | why? |
| 17:48.44 | bnovc | i'm trying what valdyn suggested |
| 17:48.50 | bnovc | but its trying to remove it stew |
| 17:48.57 | pinucset_ | is there any application for seeing the battery load in a laptop? (sony vaio? |
| 17:48.59 | pinucset_ | ) |
| 17:49.20 | bnovc | valdyn, that errored, says it depends on a lot of KDE componenets |
| 17:49.23 | valdyn | pinucset_: many |
| 17:49.29 | pinucset_ | valdyn some of kde? |
| 17:49.32 | bnovc | i should just accept the removal? |
| 17:49.38 | stew | pinucset_: if your machine supports acpi, apt-get install apcid acpi ; then run acpi |
| 17:49.39 | valdyn | pinucset_: apt-cache search blahblah |
| 17:49.41 | bnovc | kbattery shows you, i think |
| 17:50.08 | valdyn | bnovc: probably just accept the removal |
| 17:50.23 | valdyn | bnovc: im sure its avoidable, but im not sure avoiding it is really time-efficient |
| 17:50.28 | bnovc | yea |
| 17:50.38 | Vasistha | pinucset_: you should be able to get at it through the kcontrol panel, look under power settings I think. Shall I look it up for you? |
| 17:50.53 | pinucset_ | Vasistha no thanks, i go look now |
| 17:50.54 | bnovc | valdyn, then just reinstall normally? |
| 17:51.06 | valdyn | bnovc: yea |
| 17:51.22 | bnovc | does it say '378 not upgraded' because there are no newer versions or because my mirrors dont have them |
| 17:51.24 | valdyn | bnovc: primarily you want to get your package db into a consistent state, then instal whatever |
| 17:51.50 | foo | Anyone in here have a MS Optical Mouse on linux? Can you grep ZAxisMapping /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 17:51.52 | valdyn | bnovc: because that would require a dist-upgrade |
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| 17:52.01 | bnovc | valdyn, should i do that too? |
| 17:52.01 | stew | bnovc: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 17:52.19 | valdyn | bnovc: later yes |
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| 17:53.13 | valdyn | foo: what is really your issue? |
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| 17:53.52 | kreg_dcdi | how come there isn't an /etc/init.d/iptables anymore? |
| 17:53.59 | valdyn | !installit |
| 17:53.59 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 17:54.04 | asg | kreg_dcdi: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* |
| 17:54.06 | kreg_dcdi | what startup script reads in my iptable save? |
| 17:54.08 | stew | kreg_dcdi: read /usr/share/doc/iptabes/README.Debian |
| 17:54.17 | bnovc | valdyn, thanks for your help |
| 17:55.03 | foo | valdyn: My mouse is jumping two workspaces in fluxbox. Trying to figure out a fix |
| 17:55.45 | pinucset_ | Vasistha i've been looking for anything related at power settings but i didn't find anything in kcontrol :S |
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| 17:56.08 | Vasistha | pinucset_: alright, I'll check it out. just a sec |
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| 17:56.58 | Vasistha | pinucset_: I've got a major category, "Power Settings" between "Peripherals" and "Regional & Accessibility" (I'm running KDE 3.3.2 with sarge, dunno if the control center has been reorganized) |
| 17:57.04 | bnovc | anyone have a link to a good tutorial i can read while this is upgrading on how to setup a firewall/block all ports except a couple ? |
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| 17:58.05 | Vasistha | bnovc: do you want a gui firewall tool? If so, I'd recommend guarddog. The guarddog author wrote an excellent tutorial on getting started, as well as deeper issues |
| 17:58.08 | pinucset_ | Vasistha i didn't have this section :S |
| 17:58.19 | bnovc | Vasistha, i would prefer non-gui |
| 17:58.40 | Vasistha | bnovc: did you man iptables ? |
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| 17:59.11 | Vasistha | bnovc: aside from that, google iptables tutorial |
| 17:59.23 | bnovc | i'll do that then, just wondered if anyone had specific ones in mind |
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| 17:59.32 | bnovc | the closest ive gotten to using iptables is with openwrt on my router |
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| 18:00.07 | CoffeeIV | how do I get rid of the "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified" messages that appear when I do apt-get ? The commands I found by searching seem to be for particular servers, and I haven't been able to generalize them to fix my problem |
| 18:00.41 | asg | CoffeeIV: /topic |
| 18:01.01 | CoffeeIV | thx |
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| 18:01.18 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 18:01.27 | kreg_dcdi | ok i read /usr/share/doc/iptabes/README.Debian |
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| 18:01.29 | asg | spoopin: hiya |
| 18:01.38 | spoopin | asg: taking a Slayer break :) |
| 18:01.54 | asg | spoopin: if you happen to see Jim and can pursuade him, can you grab the laptop. This one is completely on the fritz |
| 18:02.06 | spoopin | asg: Jimmy's got it? |
| 18:02.10 | Vasistha | pinucset_: hum, not sure what to recommend. we should see if you have something running already. ps aux | grep -iE '(apm)|(acpi)' |
| 18:02.18 | pinucset_ | I'm trying |
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| 18:02.20 | pinucset_ | i go to eat |
| 18:02.21 | pinucset_ | thanks!!! |
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| 18:02.25 | hume | hi...just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15, and my sound became muted, much lower... is there a system setting for this that I don't find? |
| 18:02.25 | asg | spoopin: he or Candi. He might be able to get it since he owes me. |
| 18:02.43 | stew | there are girls named Candi that have laptops now? |
| 18:02.49 | asg | spoopin: don't waste any time though, just if you stroll across it ;) |
| 18:02.55 | asg | stew: yes |
| 18:04.02 | kreg_dcdi | reading /usr/share/doc/iptabes/README.Debian pretty much just told me Debian is not a distro that has decided on any standards for how to control an iptables config. to many opinions and not enought standards. i'll use a different distro |
| 18:04.31 | spoopin | asg: not a problem. I'll see what I can do - it might cost you a beer, though |
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| 18:04.42 | asg | spoopin: I plan on getting beer this week anyway :) |
| 18:04.43 | blondie | how do you get "pon" to autoredial a PPP connection if it drops? |
| 18:04.49 | asg | spoopin: er, weekend that is |
| 18:04.50 | Vasistha | kreg_dcdi: if a firewall is very important to you, there are dedicated firewall distros ;-) |
| 18:05.23 | asg | spoopin: are things a bit quieter today? |
| 18:05.30 | kreg_dcdi | Vasistha, yep, but it's still irritating to see debian in such disorganized desicions |
| 18:05.59 | veamos | in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers "non-free drivers" means that I don't have to pay for it? |
| 18:06.14 | spoopin | asg: yeah. Looks like Jimmy's not here, either :( |
| 18:06.23 | Vasistha | kreg_dcdi: yeah, I'd agree that it's too bad things have not been worked out well |
| 18:06.29 | asg | spoopin: ah well |
| 18:06.42 | kreg_dcdi | Vasistha, don't get me wrong, i really enjoy the distro |
| 18:07.20 | Alam_Debian | is there a "gamespy"-like program? |
| 18:07.41 | spoopin | asg: Yes. Sad. |
| 18:08.01 | Vasistha | kreg_dcdi: I don't really understand firewalls all that well. Is there some reason you can't just set it up to your own liking, making your own standards for yourself? |
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| 18:09.08 | vulture | kreg_dcdi: most people use wrapper programs, like shorewall |
| 18:09.32 | vulture | kreg_dcdi: if you want to run a custom startup script (to create your own iptables rules, or anything else) start with /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 18:10.05 | asg | spoopin: actually, if the spare laptop's power supply is handy, could you grab that; That might help. |
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| 18:10.13 | kreg_dcdi | vulture, ya, alot of people at my work do too. those get too complicated for me. i just guess i prefer an iptables-save and itables-restore controled by a service call. |
| 18:10.30 | vulture | what gets too complicated? |
| 18:10.30 | kreg_dcdi | and a default file location |
| 18:10.34 | vulture | shorewall's quite nice, imho |
| 18:10.37 | kreg_dcdi | whet webinterface and such |
| 18:10.40 | spoopin | asg: I think Dugan has it. I'll look, though. |
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| 18:10.49 | asg | spoopin: again, no worries. |
| 18:10.52 | kreg_dcdi | vulture, nothing against shorewall |
| 18:11.03 | vulture | no web interface, just some (moderatel simple) text config files - well there's probably some optional web based config system, but I've never used it. |
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| 18:11.18 | vulture | seems substantially easier and less error prone |
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| 18:12.11 | kreg_dcdi | vulture, for my particular needs, i just make a custom iptables firewall for each server. starts out with -P DROP on INPUT, FORWARD, and OUTPUT then i add a couple --dports xx and maybe some source ip's. that's about it. |
| 18:12.28 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.05 | Vasistha | Red_Cloud: you can use RTF from many different linux apps. If you want to save as word document format, go with openoffice.org |
| 18:13.10 | vulture | kreg_dcdi: pretty easy to do with shorewall (probably with any firewall system). Anyway.. you seem to know what's availale and what isn't. |
| 18:13.27 | Red_Cloud | Vasistha., thanks |
| 18:13.40 | Vasistha | Red_Cloud: although if you need to print out html, I'd just use a windows web browser to view the html, and print from there |
| 18:13.52 | kreg_dcdi | vulture, yep. all i was getting at earlier was wondering if there a debian concept for a service call to a default config file for iptables-save iptables-restore |
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| 18:16.08 | ekkikrist | kreg_dcdi: Check the contents of the iptables package. /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
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| 18:18.09 | hume | anyone having any ideas about why my sounds gets muted when I upgrade from kernel 2.6.12 to 2.6.15? |
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| 18:19.25 | Vasistha | hume: there could be all sorts of reasons why, though I'd imagine you're more interested in knowing how to fix it. There's an app or daemon or something you can run that will save the sound settings on shutdown, and reload them on startup |
| 18:19.39 | cahoot | hume: what sound card? |
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| 18:20.13 | hume | cahoot, VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 18:20.28 | cahoot | hume: and what alsa versions in the respective kernel versions |
| 18:21.12 | hume | cahoot, alsa versions? how do you mean? it's kernel 2.6.15-k7 |
| 18:21.29 | cahoot | hume: look at /proc/asound/version |
| 18:21.39 | ekkikrist | That's not a debian kernel. |
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| 18:21.58 | fr33mind | after a dist-upgrade, on a mail server (console only) I have 2 packages in error for the same thing: emacsen-common and gettext-el. For the reason: no such file or directory, /usr/lib/X11/locale/locale.alias so I try --reinstall of libx11-6 and, there is nothing more dans "common" dir in /usr/lib/X11/locale (a lot of files are missing) |
| 18:22.01 | hume | installed kernel through synaptic.....regular way |
| 18:22.22 | hume | sorry, kernel 2.6.15-1-k7 |
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| 18:23.48 | Norbert_ | hi, I'm trying to get my digital camera to work under Debian |
| 18:24.00 | ekkikrist | my bad. |
| 18:24.01 | Norbert_ | I've recompiled the kernel using usb mass storage, scsi disk, scsi generic support |
| 18:24.05 | fr33mind | nobody knows what to do to have a normal /usr/lib/X11/locale? |
| 18:24.09 | hume | cahoot, that file says ALSA version 1.0.10rc3 |
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| 18:24.39 | cahoot | hume: by muted you mean silent or diminished sound level? |
| 18:24.42 | Norbert_ | but it's not showing up with /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 18:25.06 | hume | cahoot, diminished |
| 18:25.19 | hume | cahoot, considerably, but still audible |
| 18:25.26 | Norbert_ | any ideas on what I might have to do next? |
| 18:25.31 | cahoot | hume: alsamixer can fixi it? |
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| 18:25.46 | hume | Norbert_, what camera? |
| 18:25.53 | _gus_ | hey guys |
| 18:25.59 | Norbert_ | hume: Minolta Dimage Xt |
| 18:26.11 | hume | cahoot, alsamixer shows 100 % on master and PCM |
| 18:26.13 | _gus_ | i have this issue |
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| 18:26.15 | _gus_ | debian:~# dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 18:26.15 | _gus_ | debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 18:26.15 | _gus_ | debian:~# |
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| 18:26.37 | elliptic | hmm I search the name of a soft to know the resolution in framebuffer mode. The option passed to this soft is --framebuffer but I can't remenber its name ? |
| 18:26.51 | elliptic | any idea ? |
| 18:27.01 | cahoot | hume: can't find any complaints of that kind on alsa user mailing list for that alsa version and via82xx |
| 18:27.03 | hume | Norbert_, not just plug it in and run Digikam and find it there? |
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| 18:27.12 | googler | why u can't remember its name |
| 18:27.16 | _gus_ | oops |
| 18:27.52 | hume | cahoot, I have modules loaded: snd_via82xx but also via82cxxx - could that be wrong? |
| 18:28.00 | cahoot | hume: no that's correct |
| 18:28.04 | bnovc | anyone have a tutorial on how i can get outgoing mail working from a default debian install? i have exim4 installed but that doesnt seem to help (mail -s "subject" user@domain < file does not send) |
| 18:28.11 | elliptic | googler: memory problem ? I don't if you prefer |
| 18:28.22 | _gus_ | wheres the pastebin ? |
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| 18:28.39 | hume | cahoot, got a feeling that there is also more bass now, as if there was an equalizer setting suddenly turned on somewhere..... |
| 18:28.47 | jjazz | !pastebin |
| 18:28.47 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:28.49 | cahoot | hume: err - via82cxxx - don't know what that is - not alsa |
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| 18:29.01 | hume | cahoot, think that is oss |
| 18:29.03 | Norbert_ | hume: no, the cam isn't being detected |
| 18:29.09 | veamos | how do I run nvidia-legacy-check.sh script? |
| 18:29.23 | hume | Norbert_, what does dmesg show when you plut it in? |
| 18:29.31 | elliptic | sorry a search in the bash history give me its name : hwinfo |
| 18:29.32 | cahoot | hume: having an oss module loaded would incapacitate alsa |
| 18:29.48 | Nwallins | I need a setting for apache2/suexec to be different that what was compiled. is the best way to proceed to do an apt-get source libapache2-mod-suexec (sic?) ? |
| 18:29.49 | cahoot | hume: totally |
| 18:29.53 | hume | cahoot, but i cant remove via82cxxx, lsmod says via82cxxx 8260 0 [permanent] |
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| 18:29.59 | hume | hrm |
| 18:30.04 | tralala | this is the ide driver |
| 18:30.05 | Norbert_ | dmesg: nothing about the cam... |
| 18:30.12 | tralala | via82.... |
| 18:30.13 | cahoot | hume: so I guess that module is related to something else |
| 18:30.14 | DevilChaos | <DevilChaos> ive just installed a game called beneath-a-steel-sky with a package called scummvm and it asks me to tell it where the game is and i cant find it anyone know where i might look to find it? |
| 18:30.15 | jjazz | veamos: chmod 700 /path/to/nvidia-legacy-check.sh; /path/to/nvidia-legacy-check.sh |
| 18:30.23 | _gus_ | thanks jjazz |
| 18:30.23 | hume | Norbert_, if you plug out and then in again? |
| 18:30.29 | _gus_ | here i got it |
| 18:30.30 | jjazz | np |
| 18:30.30 | _gus_ | http://pastebin.com/726988 |
| 18:30.32 | hume | tralala, ide driver? |
| 18:30.49 | _gus_ | if someone has an idea |
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| 18:30.54 | tralala | yeah, the one that makes your disk drives work |
| 18:30.55 | googler | anyone know the correct pronounciation of GNU? is it guh-noo or noo or new or g-new or what? |
| 18:31.11 | hume | tralala, ok, sounds like a good idea to have it loaded...:) |
| 18:31.12 | Nwallins | achoo! |
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| 18:31.15 | jjazz | googler: guh-noo |
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| 18:31.30 | tralala | hume: you don't have any other options actually |
| 18:31.40 | _gus_ | im not in mood of reinstalling debian |
| 18:31.45 | thingfish | I thought the "g" was silent. |
| 18:32.09 | cahoot | hume: don't enable any mixer settings than the ones you definitely need |
| 18:32.29 | Norbert_ | hume: the ehci_hcd messages, they are about the cam? |
| 18:32.37 | hume | cahoot, well, what I try to do is to disable them...:) |
| 18:33.03 | tralala | hume: I assume this is your oss driver (that you want to unload if loaded): via82cxxx_audio |
| 18:33.08 | hume | Norbert_, guess so....but it should identify your cam if it is USB mass storage.... you tried a Google search? |
| 18:33.20 | Norbert_ | hume: yes, I have |
| 18:33.30 | cahoot | hume: well - just that some seem to max every available level |
| 18:33.31 | Vasistha | DevilChaos: do you have any idea what the game is called? |
| 18:33.34 | tralala | and you want to load snd_via82xx instead |
| 18:33.38 | hume | tralala, its not loaded |
| 18:34.00 | googler | anyone tried BSD before? is it far from linux ,or can a linux user do well in BSD |
| 18:34.05 | Vasistha | thingfish: I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere on the gnu web site that the "g" is pronounced in gnu |
| 18:34.31 | tralala | googler: linux is only a kernel. You can run debian with the bsd kernel |
| 18:34.31 | asg | googler: there are similarities and differences. If you can read manpages, you'll be fine |
| 18:34.38 | stew | Vasistha: thingfish: http://www.gnu.org/events/rms-nyu-2001-transcript.txt search for "pronounce" and read 2 paragraphs |
| 18:34.54 | thingfish | cool, thanks Vasistha, stew |
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| 18:35.37 | Vasistha | btw, this is david3 here... new to irc, decided on a nick that is.... slightly less common, hopefully easier for tab completion :-) |
| 18:36.14 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 18:36.14 | dpkg | tetrinet is, like, multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
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| 18:37.01 | Vasistha | stew: thanks, that's a great read! |
| 18:37.24 | cahoot | hume: if you can run alsamixer you definitely can't have any oss module loaded - and - you obviously have the correct alsa module loaded |
| 18:37.37 | Norbert_ | tetrinet is so 1998 |
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| 18:38.04 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, which one is better? Gparted or Qtparted? are they the same? |
| 18:38.15 | hume | cahoot, ok |
| 18:38.48 | Vasistha | SonnyBurnett: I think they both use the same parted backend, though I'm not sure. I prefer the console-based parted myself, I've found qtparted to be occasionally unstable, haven't tried gparted |
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| 18:39.43 | cahoot | hume: /proc/asound/cards lists only one (and the expected) card? |
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| 18:40.08 | Vasistha | SonnyBurnett: the console app is not nearly as user-friendly, but I kinda took the position that I should not be trying to rush through a parted operation, may as well take some good time to think and plan |
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| 18:40.24 | bnovc | so i can't use vim anymore, it wont refresh ...whenever i scroll it totally breaks |
| 18:40.25 | hume | cahoot, there are two lines in that file |
| 18:40.36 | Norbert_ | any chance my cam will work with hotplug when I remove udev? |
| 18:40.37 | cahoot | hume: like? |
| 18:40.51 | stew | Norbert_: is your camera working with udev? |
| 18:40.58 | SonnyBurnett | Vasistha, I found qtParted unstable too, now I'm trying GParted, it seems to be better |
| 18:41.27 | Norbert_ | stew: no, it's not working - not showing up in dmesg, even though I've recompiled the kernel with scsi and usb-mass |
| 18:41.36 | cahoot | hume: no dumy by chance - or a usb gadget? |
| 18:41.56 | stew | Norbert_: run "lshal --monitor" then plug in the camera, does stuff show up? |
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| 18:42.18 | hume | 0 [V8235 ]: VIA8233 - VIA 8235 |
| 18:42.18 | hume | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.23 | hume | cahoot, nope |
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| 18:42.39 | cahoot | hume: looks healthy |
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| 18:42.57 | Norbert_ | stew: lshal? locate lshal returns nothing, nor does apt-cache search... what is lshal? |
| 18:42.58 | bnovc | ARG this is so frustrating, it appears my ssh isn't refreshing at all |
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| 18:43.14 | bnovc | well, only randomly |
| 18:43.16 | stew | Norbert_: if you have udev installed you must have the hal package that contains lshal |
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| 18:43.25 | stew | hmm, maybe lshal isnt' in sarge |
| 18:43.33 | Vasistha | SonnyBurnett: yeah, it looks like parted, gparted, qtparted all use the same libparted1.6-13 -- so they should all be running the same FS manipulation functions |
| 18:43.43 | Norbert_ | stew: I'm running testing |
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| 18:44.12 | Norbert_ | stew: by the way, thanks for trying to help me out |
| 18:44.15 | tralala | hume: what is the problem? you don't get any sound? |
| 18:44.21 | fr33mind | after a dist-upgrade, on a mail server (console only) I have 2 packages in error for the same thing: emacsen-common and gettext-el. For the reason: no such file or directory, /usr/lib/X11/locale/locale.alias so I try --reinstall of libx11-6 and, there is nothing more dans "common" dir in /usr/lib/X11/locale (a lot of files are missing) |
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| 18:44.25 | fr33mind | nobody knows what to do to have a normal /usr/lib/X11/locale? |
| 18:44.28 | stew | !find bin/lshal testing |
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| 18:44.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lshal' (1): (/usr/bin/lshal) in admin/hal. |
| 18:45.02 | SonnyBurnett | Vasistha, yeah, the only problem is that they dont recognize LVM :( |
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| 18:45.28 | stew | Norbert_: do you have the "hal" package installed? (you really should since udev depends on it) |
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| 18:45.44 | xomhau | re hi , i missing libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0, what package i need install? |
| 18:45.46 | Norbert_ | stew: no, I don't |
| 18:45.51 | Norbert_ | stew: *installing* |
| 18:45.55 | andred | hello. i have a lvm partition with a fat32 filesystem on it. i've grown the logical volume and want to resize the filesystem now. but parted says it doesn't recognize the fs. can anybody help? |
| 18:46.01 | Vasistha | fr33mind: dunno if you've been there, but you might be more comfortable in the french #debian-fr -- although your english is fine, I'm sure someone who knows what's up will be happy to help you here |
| 18:46.06 | stew | Norbert_: do you have udev installed? |
| 18:46.07 | Norbert_ | stew: should I install hal-device-manager as well? |
| 18:46.12 | stew | !depends udev testing |
| 18:46.14 | Norbert_ | stew: yes, I had and have udev installed |
| 18:46.16 | hume | tralala, i do get sound, but muted, diminished |
| 18:46.18 | dpkg | udev: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libselinux1 (>= 1.30), libvolume-id0, initscripts (>= 2.85-16), makedev (>= 2.3.1-77), sed (>= 3.95), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6) |
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| 18:46.41 | cahoot | hume: I'd try mv /var/lib/alsa/asound.conf away and run alsamixer |
| 18:46.43 | stew | oh, i guess udev didn't depend on hal until recently, wierd |
| 18:46.59 | Shadowcat | right |
| 18:47.00 | cahoot | hume: err - asound.state |
| 18:47.00 | tralala | hume: and alsamixer works, and the channels are unmuted, and the levels are OK? |
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| 18:47.28 | xomhau | vang , thank 2 bac |
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| 18:47.39 | hume | cahoot, ?? err...? |
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| 18:47.41 | xomhau | sorry :) |
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| 18:48.04 | cahoot | hume: I'd try mv /var/lib/alsa/asound.state away and run alsamixer |
| 18:48.05 | hume | tralala, alsamixedr seems to work, channels set to 100 %...but it sounds like 25 |
| 18:48.15 | Norbert_ | stew: hum, my camera's batt is empty... guess I'll have to try again later - anyway thanks for trying to help me out ;-) |
| 18:48.20 | Vasistha | andred: have you googled parted lvm ? there may be some issues |
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| 18:48.24 | peppo | trying to understand a debian specific compilation failure with ardour2 CVS (http://ardour.org/files/releases/ardour2-cvs.tar.bz2) that relates to auto* tools. been through it with the #Ardour devs, and no one can figure it out. so I come here again :) here's the relevant output for the problematic libs/sigc++2/configure generation: http://pastebin.com/727013 |
| 18:48.44 | andred | Vasistha: yes, but all i found is that it should work with parted |
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| 18:49.39 | xomhau | anyone , i missing libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0, what package i need install? |
| 18:49.43 | omy | hola |
| 18:49.50 | cureless | !es |
| 18:49.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:49.58 | trenka | xomhau: apt-file |
| 18:49.59 | jjazz | xomhau: apt-file search <filename> |
| 18:50.16 | tralala | hume: did you have a look at all the channels? They are quite a few and many have strange names, but could be related. |
| 18:50.19 | Vasistha | andred: oh, one thing you'll want to do is defragment the fat32 partition using a windows defragmentation tool, before using parted to resize such a partition |
| 18:50.21 | xomhau | jjazz: apt-file search not run :( ( i installed apt-file) |
| 18:50.40 | andred | Vasistha: hmm, i read that it's not necessary |
| 18:50.51 | omy | holllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 18:50.56 | jjazz | xomhau: What error message did you get? |
| 18:50.57 | omy | holaaa |
| 18:51.10 | Vasistha | andred although I suppose if you're _increasing_ partition size, that shouldn't be an issue. |
| 18:51.11 | xomhau | jjazz: no thing |
| 18:51.19 | xomhau | root@xomhau:/home/xomhau# apt-file search libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 18:51.19 | xomhau | root@xomhau:/home/xomhau# apt-file search libgdk-x11-2.0.so |
| 18:51.19 | xomhau | root@xomhau:/home/xomhau# apt-file search libgdk-x11 |
| 18:51.24 | hume | cahoot, seems there is no such file.... |
| 18:51.25 | xomhau | :( |
| 18:51.30 | jjazz | xomhau: which apt-file |
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| 18:51.42 | b0r3d | hey. any1 works with confixx in here? |
| 18:51.45 | xomhau | jjazz: /usr/bin/apt-file |
| 18:51.48 | cahoot | hume: no /var/lib/alsa/asound.state? |
| 18:51.59 | Vasistha | omy: hello, we heard you, do you have a question to ask in english? |
| 18:52.02 | xomhau | the same |
| 18:52.11 | hume | sorry....there is |
| 18:52.31 | omy | hola |
| 18:52.37 | Ronin | !br |
| 18:52.37 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:52.38 | jjazz | xomhau: Strange. It works for me. Anyway... you want libgtk2.0-0 |
| 18:52.45 | omy | kjkjkk |
| 18:52.48 | Ronin | or is that es? :) i can never tell |
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| 18:52.48 | thingfish | that's spanish. |
| 18:52.50 | cahoot | hume: rename it to asound.state.old and run alsaixer |
| 18:52.52 | Ronin | !es |
| 18:52.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:52.55 | xomhau | jjazz: thank u, let me try |
| 18:52.55 | omy | hjjjkjk |
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| 18:52.57 | stew | omy: stop. if you have a question to ask about debian, ask it in english. if you want to speak spanish, /j #debian-es |
| 18:53.33 | hume | yes, now ive done that, and run alsamixer......then what? |
| 18:53.33 | Vasistha | omy: please do not test your connection in here. this is a very busy room |
| 18:53.33 | tralala | !room |
| 18:53.33 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:53.34 | cahoot | hume: still substandard sound? |
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| 18:53.50 | hume | no change |
| 18:54.30 | tralala | hume: is there a problem with the cables/the plug by any chance? |
| 18:54.55 | hume | found it!!!!! |
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| 18:55.18 | cahoot | hume: you owe us the solution |
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| 18:55.42 | hume | there is a setting called VIA DXS in alsamixer, just pulled everything up and there it came.... |
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| 18:56.10 | cahoot | hume: yes that's new in 1.0.10rc3 |
| 18:56.20 | hume | ah.....and wnat is it? |
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| 18:56.34 | cahoot | hume: heh - it's your card ;) |
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| 18:56.48 | hume | ok...:) |
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| 18:57.09 | putte | can anyone tell me how to load a syntax file in vim? |
| 18:57.32 | cahoot | hume: + VIA82xx driver |
| 18:57.32 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.37 | putte | I read :au Syntax *.vim but it wont work for me |
| 18:57.45 | bnovc | when i write more than a line over ssh into my terminal, the wrapped lines completely break; is this some setting? i'm using the default PS1 |
| 18:58.10 | hume | wow.....thanks guys |
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| 18:58.56 | abrotman | putte: ask #vim or #vi .. whatever it is |
| 18:59.00 | Libra102 | hello |
| 18:59.31 | abrotman | bnovc: what is your ssh client? |
| 18:59.35 | bnovc | openssh |
| 18:59.37 | bnovc | er |
| 18:59.42 | Vasistha | Libra102: g'day. if you have a question just feel free to ask |
| 18:59.42 | bnovc | 'ssh' in osx |
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| 19:00.18 | abrotman | bnovc: do you have another box to try ssh from? it could be an OSX issue with the terminal emulator |
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| 19:00.35 | bnovc | abrotman, not at the moment but i'll give that a try later |
| 19:00.51 | abrotman | bnovc: echo $TERM .. what does it say? |
| 19:00.53 | bnovc | my vim is also screwed up in a similar way and it didnt used to be |
| 19:01.00 | bnovc | xterm-color |
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| 19:01.06 | bnovc | when i scroll in vim, all the lines break |
| 19:01.16 | bnovc | they didnt used to though, same client/server |
| 19:01.26 | abrotman | so nothing changed .. it just stopped working? |
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| 19:01.38 | Blissex | bnovc: wrong terminal type. Or run 'reset' |
| 19:02.07 | duckdown | Hey guys, isnt' there someone here who can do a 1-character smiley face? (It's a japanese kanji letter, but it looks like a smiley) |
| 19:02.19 | bnovc | Blissex, awesome thanks |
| 19:02.36 | duckdown | I know someone here always does it |
| 19:02.39 | tralala | is there a way to run svgalib apps as a regular user? |
| 19:02.42 | duckdown | and people ask "Whoa, how did you do that" |
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| 19:02.58 | Blissex | bnovc: there are different terminal types with and without automargin. They usually have '-am' as a suffix or not. |
| 19:03.06 | zinx | duckdown: here's an actual smiley face: ☺ |
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| 19:03.47 | Blissex | zinx: but I don't use a Unicode font though :-) |
| 19:03.50 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, Can somebody explain me the use of "umask" in the /etc/fstab file? |
| 19:04.02 | duckdown | Whoa, awesome zinx |
| 19:04.05 | duckdown | but that wasn't it |
| 19:04.14 | Norbert_ | ? |
| 19:04.25 | tralala | SonnyBurnett: yes, man umask can |
| 19:04.27 | vincent_ | SonnyBurnett: when the partition is mounted, that's the permissions applied to the dir |
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| 19:04.36 | zinx | duckdown: i know it wasn't |
| 19:04.45 | duckdown | That's sweet |
| 19:04.47 | duckdown | thanks |
| 19:04.49 | zinx | duckdown: but you're not going to get me to paste a tsu |
| 19:05.00 | duckdown | come on :( |
| 19:05.03 | duckdown | please :( |
| 19:05.14 | Blissex | SonnyBurnett: or more precisely: have a look at 'man 8 mount' and search for the string "umask", it only applied to a few filesystems. |
| 19:05.32 | AzianFlu | つ |
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| 19:05.43 | duckdown | lol whats that |
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| 19:05.54 | vin` | boomerang |
| 19:05.58 | duckdown | nice :) |
| 19:06.04 | zinx | duckdown: load up gucharmap |
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| 19:06.20 | roxy_ | libkrb53 version 1.4.3-6 is available on my mirror, but aptitude tell me I got the newest and I got 1.3.6-2. :( |
| 19:06.31 | bnovc | KDE has been installing for 2 hours :( |
| 19:06.45 | AzianFlu | thats my best guess at duckdown's one character "smiley" |
| 19:06.55 | jjazz | bnovc: That's a good sign that KDE is too bloated for your box. |
| 19:07.05 | duckdown | It looks like a =) |
| 19:07.10 | duckdown | but its 1 character |
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| 19:07.18 | abrotman | jjazz: s/for your box// |
| 19:07.18 | roxy_ | How can I tell aptitude to get me the newest version ? |
| 19:07.21 | duckdown | Everyone always asks the guy how he does it, he says its a Japanese letter |
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| 19:07.38 | AzianFlu | 二) |
| 19:07.43 | duckdown | LOL |
| 19:07.44 | stew | roxy_: aptitude install packagename |
| 19:07.45 | duckdown | thats scary |
| 19:07.48 | bnovc | jjazz, yea i know it is |
| 19:07.55 | bnovc | thats ok though |
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| 19:08.10 | roxy_ | duckdown: the first is a tsu the second is a ni |
| 19:08.42 | roxy_ | stew: it doesn't work, it is telling me that the newest is 1.3.6 but I can see 1.4.3 in the mirror. |
| 19:08.55 | stew | roxy_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:08.56 | SonnyBurnett | The thing is that I have read the man of umask, and I still doesnt undestand what it is useful for... |
| 19:09.10 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: you understand the concept of masking? |
| 19:09.12 | AzianFlu | roxy_, do you have any idea what char he is talking about? |
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| 19:09.16 | roxy_ | stew: testing for amd64 |
| 19:09.20 | stew | roxy_: put the output of "apt-cache policy libkrb53" into a pastebin |
| 19:10.24 | duckdown | whoa |
| 19:10.27 | duckdown | this gucharmap is sweet |
| 19:10.28 | duckdown | thanks guys |
| 19:10.29 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, I think ... at bits level ... Something & mask |
| 19:10.30 | duckdown | im sure i'll find it |
| 19:10.33 | roxy_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/727041 |
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| 19:10.44 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: yea, umask works like that |
| 19:10.46 | bnovc | i thikn 'apt-get install kde' decided i wanted every lame program KDE comes with |
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| 19:10.56 | bnovc | actually i think its redownloading my whole box |
| 19:11.02 | bnovc | Get:78 ftp://ftp.kr.debian.org sid/main openssh-server 1:4.3p2-1 [212kB] |
| 19:11.06 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: 222 masked with 444 makes 666, 444 masked with 444 makes 444 |
| 19:11.11 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, but why would I use umask? |
| 19:11.11 | bnovc | Get:117 ftp://ftp.kr.debian.org sid/main kalarm 4:3.5.2-1+b2 [647kB] |
| 19:11.14 | bnovc | ^ stuff i really need |
| 19:11.24 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: to force permissions |
| 19:11.30 | peppo | trying to understand a debian specific compilation failure with ardour2 CVS (http://ardour.org/files/releases/ardour2-cvs.tar.bz2) that relates to auto* tools. been through it with the #Ardour devs, and no one can figure it out. so I come here again :) here's the relevant output for the problematic libs/sigc++2/configure generation: http://pastebin.com/727013 |
| 19:11.31 | stew | roxy_: that says you don't have it available in any sources, paste your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 19:12.11 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: a filesystem with 888 as umask will be rwx by all, no matter which the 'real' on disk permissions are |
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| 19:13.00 | stew | roxy_: or just give me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6" |
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| 19:14.15 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, what if I dont use umask? |
| 19:14.25 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: then you dont use it |
| 19:14.54 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: if you dont use umask, then the default umask will be used, i don't know what it is for vfat |
| 19:15.07 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, I'm mounting a fat32 fs, and I want to write on it,,... should I use umask? |
| 19:15.18 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: who's I ? root? |
| 19:15.25 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, user |
| 19:15.39 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: you need to use umask then or gid / uid |
| 19:15.52 | roxy_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/727053 |
| 19:16.19 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: fat does not have on disk permissions or owner or group, only way to set it is umask / uid /gid |
| 19:16.49 | roxy_ | stew: this my source: http://pastebin.com/727049 and the site of my source: |
| 19:16.52 | roxy_ | http://bytekeeper.as28747.net/debian-amd64/debian/pool/main/k/krb5/ |
| 19:16.57 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, mmmmm ok let me see |
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| 19:18.18 | stew | roxy_: you need to run "aptitude update" then |
| 19:18.26 | valdyn | roxy_: ask them which autotools version they require |
| 19:18.38 | roxy_ | stew: did it, doesn't work. |
| 19:18.39 | valdyn | roxy_: ops nm |
| 19:18.50 | valdyn | peppo: did you ask them which autotools version they require? |
| 19:19.42 | marv | Hi, i just recognized that i neither have installed hotplug nor udev. What do you suggest to install? Got a 2.6.16.14 kernel |
| 19:19.46 | peppo | valdyn, yes. I've tried automake 1.9, 1.8, 1.4... |
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| 19:20.56 | valdyn | peppo: alias m4 'm4 -L 4096' ? |
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| 19:21.25 | AzianFlu | duckdown, に ? |
| 19:21.49 | peppo | valdyn, same error |
| 19:22.05 | peppo | I did alias m4='m4 -L 4096' |
| 19:22.09 | peppo | then reran autogen.sh |
| 19:22.16 | bnovc | Blissex, some of the last letters on lines repeat and that isn't fixed by 'reset'; is there something else i should try to find? |
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| 19:23.36 | valdyn | peppo: aroudr is in debian too isnt it? that might contain the fix |
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| 19:23.55 | duckdown | found it! |
| 19:23.55 | duckdown | ツ |
| 19:24.02 | duckdown | hee hee |
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| 19:24.13 | Daishi | how do i test if the microphone port on my sound card works? |
| 19:24.16 | peppo | valdyn, this is ardour2 CVS, it's faar from debian :) |
| 19:24.37 | duckdown | AzianFlu> ツ |
| 19:24.44 | Daishi | its a common well supported cmedia card so im sure it is and i have a mic but in alsamixer i cant seem to turn the mic to on |
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| 19:24.53 | Daishi | and im not sure what to use to capture the sound |
| 19:24.54 | roxy_ | stew: is there any way to debug my problem ? |
| 19:24.57 | Ronin | same question mark duckdown that all the rest looked loke :) |
| 19:25.16 | valdyn | peppo: oh well, i know nothing better than to step thru the failing code then =/ |
| 19:25.48 | AzianFlu | ツ |
| 19:25.51 | AzianFlu | ah |
| 19:25.55 | peppo | yeah, wish I had the skills... I'll have to pester the devs some more :) |
| 19:26.21 | AzianFlu | just for your info duckdown thats katakana, not kanji |
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| 19:31.05 | SonnyBurnett | is it possible to use the "iocharset" option in /etc/fstab in debian? |
| 19:32.47 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: the manpage should know this better than us here |
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| 19:34.38 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, I'm mounting for first time a fat32 partition, I'm trying with this line in my fstab: "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/e vfat auto,user,gid=116,umask=022" , then I exec #mount -a, but I cant see the files of my fast32 partition |
| 19:34.41 | roxy_ | stew: I gave up, just downloaded the .deb from the miror and dpkg -i installed it. |
| 19:34.43 | duckdown | AzianFlu> Ahh cool |
| 19:35.11 | duckdown | AzianFlu> Sorry, knew it was something like that :) |
| 19:35.11 | AzianFlu | no big deal |
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| 19:35.11 | duckdown | Kanji is a real thing too though isn't it |
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| 19:35.29 | stew | roxy_: i don't know. what you have showed me is wierd. your have testing sources that don't show up in your policy which would indicate you need to run "apt-get update" |
| 19:35.33 | AzianFlu | yes. but the character you were looking for is from the katakana character set, not the kanji character set |
| 19:35.34 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: is it mounted? |
| 19:35.52 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, yes, but not accessible |
| 19:35.55 | duckdown | ahh right on, thanks :) |
| 19:36.07 | stew | roxy_: and the fact that you are running a mixed stable/testing is troubling. its very much discouraged |
| 19:36.07 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: not accessible? |
| 19:36.15 | Nykheyn | i apologize for OT, but does it exist a graphic ftp server on debian packages? |
| 19:36.19 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, not viewable |
| 19:36.27 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: what isnt working? |
| 19:36.32 | AzianFlu | welcome |
| 19:36.37 | stew | Nykheyn: graphic ftp server!?! |
| 19:36.49 | Nykheyn | stew, yes |
| 19:37.00 | roxy_ | stew: I got testing for package and stable just for security, when I put testing for security I got error. |
| 19:37.00 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: df should show it, ls -al /mnt/e should at least show . and .. |
| 19:37.10 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, only root can access to /mnt/e |
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| 19:37.37 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: which group is 116 supposed to be? |
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| 19:37.48 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, vfat |
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| 19:38.07 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: your user probably needs to log out and back in |
| 19:38.09 | stew | roxy_: you don't want to mix stable and testing. testing has its own (albeit poor) security support. when i say you were mixing stable and tesing i mean that you have some packages from each installed, your libkrb was stable and your libc6 was testing |
| 19:38.22 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, ok let me try |
| 19:38.22 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: and directories require an X flag to be cd to |
| 19:38.26 | stew | roxy_: you need to fix your sources and dist-upgrade to testing |
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| 19:38.49 | roxy_ | stew: got it, I'll do that, thanks. |
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| 19:39.02 | clarity_ | hey... my wifi card isn't working with dhcp |
| 19:39.06 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, yep, I added this line to /etc/group |
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| 19:39.15 | SonnyBurnett | valdyn, vfat:x:116: |
| 19:39.23 | grendal_prime | i got a werid one...every now and again i have a server that simple will not resolve. |
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| 19:39.43 | clarity_ | I got the iface in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 19:39.49 | grendal_prime | actually thats not correct it resolves to an old ip address |
| 19:40.11 | valdyn | SonnyBurnett: that x has nothing to do with file permissions |
| 19:40.13 | roxy_ | stew: Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 19:40.13 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.21 | grendal_prime | i thought maybe my one routers were cacheing it or something..but just out of the blue it does this |
| 19:40.22 | exmethix | http://welt1.antswar.eu/?ak=uw&pick=1562 <---- Was ist das? Kann mir das mal jemand versuchen zu erklären? |
| 19:40.25 | clarity_ | hrm... |
| 19:40.34 | clarity_ | I'll brb.. I'm going to try rebooting. |
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| 19:40.59 | Le_Vert | hii |
| 19:41.09 | Le_Vert | do you know if I can send log to syslog |
| 19:41.12 | Le_Vert | from a shell script ? |
| 19:41.45 | AzianFlu | eh? you could certainly append to it... |
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| 19:42.09 | Le_Vert | hummm |
| 19:42.14 | Le_Vert | it's not clean |
| 19:42.48 | AzianFlu | what do you mean its not clean? |
| 19:42.56 | stew | roxy_: deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:44.14 | Le_Vert | I guess there is a way |
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| 19:44.20 | Le_Vert | to send message to syslogd |
| 19:44.34 | stew | Le_Vert: man logger |
| 19:44.41 | Le_Vert | I don't think any process write to syslog |
| 19:44.58 | Le_Vert | logger - a shell command interface to the syslog(3) system log module :-)))) |
| 19:45.03 | Le_Vert | sounds great |
| 19:45.04 | Le_Vert | hehehe |
| 19:45.08 | veamos | how can I know if APT have non-free and contrib sources |
| 19:45.13 | veamos | has.. |
| 19:45.22 | stew | veamos: apt-cache policy |
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| 19:46.50 | veamos | I want to install non-free nvidia drivers.. so I don't know what to put in sources.list |
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| 19:47.11 | stew | veamos: you are running testing? |
| 19:47.12 | clarity_ | yah... dhcp just flat out isn't working for this device |
| 19:47.27 | roxy_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/727115 |
| 19:47.30 | veamos | sarge |
| 19:47.53 | Le_Vert | May 19 21:48:24 hellscream mysoft[31295]: this is a test < hehe thanks stew :) |
| 19:48.24 | stew | roxy_: ohh, there is no testing security support for amd64 it seems |
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| 19:49.03 | stew | roxy_: http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/ |
| 19:49.41 | C|int | hi guys, I am coming back to debian, and downloading, FreeBSD 6.1 I just couldn't take anymore ubuntu, too slow for me, I must push myself with debian, and FReebSD, because after all, I ordered the Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible |
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| 19:50.18 | C|int | I am going try really hard to get my wireless going on debian and FreeBSD, and setting up VMware :-) |
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| 19:50.52 | wut | is debian 3.1r2 still using xfree? |
| 19:51.00 | stew | wut: yes |
| 19:51.04 | pipeline | wut: of course |
| 19:51.08 | roxy_ | stew: thanks. |
| 19:51.14 | clarity_ | why of course |
| 19:51.17 | clarity_ | isn't xorg better? |
| 19:51.33 | stew | clarity_: becuase once debian is released it never gets new pacakges |
| 19:51.38 | grendal_prime | !dpkg xorg |
| 19:51.38 | dpkg | methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 19:51.46 | stew | clarity_: at the time that 3.1 was released, xorg was not better |
| 19:52.11 | clarity_ | oh okay |
| 19:52.13 | clarity_ | :-) |
| 19:52.28 | veamos | may I add "non-free" to all lines in sources.list? that's what I have to do to install non-free nvidia drivers? |
| 19:52.33 | grendal_prime | just so you know i used the backport of it, and it workd fine..with the acception of the resume |
| 19:52.38 | wut | is it possible to dpkg all the debs in a directory? |
| 19:52.47 | wut | with one command |
| 19:52.52 | stew | wut: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 19:53.13 | wut | thanks |
| 19:53.48 | grendal_prime | xorg will be the first to have xgl desktop though (or so it would seem) |
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| 19:54.13 | grendal_prime | suse's version of xorg |
| 19:55.06 | rverrips | Hi - Any qemu guru's in the house? I'm having a little difficulty setting up my QEMU network ... |
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| 19:55.28 | FliesLikeABrick | rverrips #qemu ? |
| 19:55.39 | kimo | does anyone know if debian/sid has exec-shield (randomiding code positions to make it harder for exploits? ) |
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| 19:56.14 | rverrips | FliesLikeABrike - Duh!? Thanks, didn't even know there was one ... |
| 19:56.24 | veamos | may I add "non-free" to all lines in sources.list? that's what I have to do to install non-free nvidia drivers? |
| 19:56.43 | valdyn | kimo: dont recent kernels do that? |
| 19:57.02 | kimo | valdyn: probably, do u know how to turn it off ? |
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| 19:57.08 | morphology | aaaaiiieeeee |
| 19:57.10 | valdyn | kimo: hell no |
| 19:57.15 | kimo | :) |
| 19:57.40 | morphology | so where does debian store the association between a file type and the app that is invoked to handle it? |
| 19:57.43 | valdyn | kimo: im not sure what that has to do with exec shield though |
| 19:58.04 | kimo | it's making it hard for me to exploit my code :) |
| 19:58.07 | valdyn | !exec shield |
| 19:58.07 | dpkg | valdyn: access denied! |
| 19:58.26 | kimo | !! what's that |
| 19:58.31 | valdyn | kimo: iirc exec shield is flagging memory as non-executable |
| 19:59.02 | valdyn | kimo: in hardware, something unrelated to its location |
| 19:59.03 | kimo | umm ... well, this might be problematic too. Guess what I need is called 'PIE' position indep code AFAIK |
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| 20:03.25 | Nykheyn | i apologize for OT, but does it exist a graphic ftp server on debian packages? |
| 20:03.39 | valdyn | Nykheyn: what's a graphic ftp server? |
| 20:03.45 | peppo | Nykheyn, you could try the frontend for proftpd |
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| 20:04.09 | peppo | Nykheyn, gproftpd - GTK+ configuration tool for proftpd |
| 20:04.14 | valdyn | Nykheyn: ftp servers are archaic, dont use them, using a gui for setting up ftp servers is stupid |
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| 20:04.44 | Nykheyn | valdyn, what i could to use instead a ftp server? |
| 20:04.52 | valdyn | Nykheyn: apache or ssh |
| 20:05.18 | Nykheyn | valdyn, ssh for file transfer? o_o |
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| 20:05.26 | valdyn | Nykheyn: yes, sure |
| 20:05.26 | stew | of course! |
| 20:05.32 | Nykheyn | ?_? |
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| 20:05.45 | valdyn | Nykheyn: who are you trying to share files with? |
| 20:05.45 | shevek | Nykheyn: Sure. The ssh protocol includes support for scp and sftp, which is secure copy/file transfer |
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| 20:06.10 | stew | Nykheyn: with sftp and scp your password doesn't go across the wire in sniffable plaintext |
| 20:06.16 | Nykheyn | valdyn, university friends. |
| 20:06.27 | kimo | damn .. I cant get it working.. Does anyone have a working 'example code & its exploit' ? Seems modern systems are too resistant |
| 20:06.39 | valdyn | Nykheyn: im sure they are capable of using 'winscp' |
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| 20:06.43 | valdyn | !winscp |
| 20:06.54 | valdyn | Nykheyn: well im sure google knows winscp |
| 20:06.55 | stew | kimo: this is not a forum for exchanging exploits |
| 20:07.00 | shevek | putty provides pscp, which should work as well |
| 20:07.04 | valdyn | Nykheyn: for you, you dont even have to install an extra server |
| 20:07.39 | kimo | stew: this is not for real code, I'm looking for any sample code & it's exploit, no harm done |
| 20:07.58 | Nykheyn | winscp? |
| 20:08.05 | valdyn | !google winscp |
| 20:08.06 | Nykheyn | for my friends i imagine... |
| 20:08.14 | dpkg | Google says winscp is at http://winscp.net/eng/index.php or http://winscp.net/eng/download.php or http://winscp.net/eng/docs/introduction or http://winscp.net/eng/docs/start or http://www.winscp.org/ |
| 20:08.21 | valdyn | Nykheyn: yea, for windows users to grab files from you |
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| 20:08.37 | valdyn | Nykheyn: if they use unix they can just use scp or putty or whatever |
| 20:08.41 | jrgl | hi...I was wondering if there is anyone encountering any KDM problem. |
| 20:08.45 | Nykheyn | valdyn, putty also supports scp, i'm right? |
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| 20:08.54 | jrgl | My KDM couldn't login to KDE..after I entered the correct password, it always jumped back the KDM login screen. |
| 20:08.55 | r121 | I'm running testing. how do I go about installing a single (or perhaps a few) packages from unstable without having to change my repositories? |
| 20:08.58 | Nykheyn | hell yeah :) |
| 20:09.00 | valdyn | Nykheyn: putty includes pscp |
| 20:09.23 | valdyn | Nykheyn: winscp is probably nicer, no idea, i dont use either |
| 20:09.37 | bnovc | Vasistha, you were the one helping me earlier, right? |
| 20:09.51 | jrgl | r121: you can download that package from website |
| 20:09.58 | kimo | winscp rox |
| 20:10.01 | bnovc | !kept back |
| 20:10.01 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 20:10.05 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 20:10.05 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 20:10.54 | bnovc | aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:11.24 | r121 | jrgl: I was hoping to do it through apt-get/synaptic just for ease of maintaining |
| 20:11.37 | Nykheyn | valdyn, ok, thanks all. |
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| 20:12.16 | wut | the debian installer won't pick up my ethernet connection |
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| 20:12.26 | valdyn | r121: you DONT do that |
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| 20:12.42 | valdyn | r121: use backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:13.15 | dumars3 | :/DCC SEND "SEGSERGASEHASERG" 0 0 0 |
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| 20:13.30 | Vasistha | bnovc: I might have helped you... though I'm certainly no guru |
| 20:13.36 | stew | !ops dumars3 exploiter |
| 20:13.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: dumars3 exploiter |
| 20:13.48 | bnovc | Vasistha, i think you recommended i do a dist-upgrade after removing and reinstalling KDE? |
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| 20:13.53 | cahoot | at least wannabe |
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| 20:14.00 | sid | nalioth: You see what dumars3 is doing? |
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| 20:14.06 | valdyn | bnovc: I did |
| 20:14.09 | clusty | hey |
| 20:14.13 | bnovc | valdyn, oh ok :) |
| 20:14.16 | sid | !greety clusty |
| 20:14.20 | bnovc | i knew it was v* |
| 20:14.22 | clusty | i need some tool to batch convert/resize images |
| 20:14.29 | clusty | sid,thanx :-D |
| 20:14.38 | clusty | any ideas? |
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| 20:14.46 | sid | clusty: use "convert"? |
| 20:14.48 | valdyn | clusty: apt-cache show imagemagick |
| 20:14.50 | cahoot | clusty: convert or mogrify |
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| 20:15.13 | peppo | clusty, make sure not to use convert with many images by using wildcards... |
| 20:15.17 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 20:15.19 | peppo | clusty, use a for/loop thing... |
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| 20:15.35 | peppo | it's poorly designed and uses tons of memory, it'll trash any system |
| 20:15.35 | clusty | peppo, i actually want to use wildcards :-D |
| 20:15.44 | peppo | you won't want to |
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| 20:15.45 | clusty | i have just 200 images |
| 20:15.46 | phaedrus_ | ne1 know how i can copy over the fluxbox configuration from damnsmalllinux |
| 20:15.46 | phaedrus_ | ? |
| 20:16.09 | valdyn | phaedrus_: with cp |
| 20:16.11 | bnovc | valdyn, i get unmet dependancies when i try aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:16.11 | peppo | something like convert -resize 1024x768 *.jpg newdir/hello.jpg will be VERY, VERY painful even on an amd64 3200 with 1GB memory |
| 20:16.31 | valdyn | bnovc: do you have unofficial packages on your system? |
| 20:16.40 | bnovc | um i dont think i do right now |
| 20:16.56 | Blissex | clusty: use 'xargs' to avoid long wildcard lists |
| 20:17.08 | bnovc | valdyn, http://rafb.net/paste/results/fjxgY876.html |
| 20:17.16 | valdyn | bnovc: run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ( not aptitude ), show the output. There may be unresolvable dependencies on sid but they are not that common |
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| 20:17.28 | bnovc | k |
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| 20:17.48 | bnovc | valdyn, that one seems to be going |
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| 20:18.36 | valdyn | bnovc: that error you showed seems to be just something giving trouble to automatic dependency resolving, maybe apt-get or manual intervention will get it |
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| 20:18.57 | bnovc | is it bad that i use aptitude and apt-get interchangably? |
| 20:19.10 | peppo | dli__, I downgraded to autoconf 2.59a-9, and things work now. so some bug in autoconf CVS from may 13th. |
| 20:19.17 | veamos | where can I get apt non-free urls for sources.list ? |
| 20:19.22 | valdyn | bnovc: it's not bad, but it can get confusing |
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| 20:19.33 | bnovc | i thought they did the same thing |
| 20:19.33 | valdyn | bnovc: as aptitude maintains its own list of packages you want on your system |
| 20:19.37 | bnovc | oh |
| 20:19.45 | fatalerror | valdyn: not quite |
| 20:20.00 | valdyn | fatalerror: not quite what? |
| 20:20.04 | fatalerror | valdyn: it keeps an extended database, which extra information; it does not duplicate information kept by apt |
| 20:20.12 | phaedrus_ | what is a good desktop system monitor? |
| 20:20.15 | fatalerror | s/which/which contains/ |
| 20:20.38 | streuner | phaedrus_: conky, gkrellm |
| 20:20.46 | valdyn | fatalerror: i never said duplicate |
| 20:20.59 | valdyn | fatalerror: ( or meant ) |
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| 20:21.29 | phaedrus_ | cool thanks |
| 20:22.26 | streuner | fatalerror: its not that often that you visit us? |
| 20:22.46 | phaedrus_ | torsmo it is! |
| 20:22.57 | fatalerror | streuner: I'm normally not able to cope with the high traffic one sees around here =) |
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| 20:26.02 | bnovc | why do i have to keep running 'reset' every few minutes now |
| 20:26.27 | hjubal | hi |
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| 20:26.41 | bnovc | i have to scroll down in a file, close it, run reset, open it again if i want to see the content |
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| 20:29.23 | fusibou | can someone please say what exactly happened at debconf that caused such a problem? |
| 20:29.36 | streuner | which problems? |
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| 20:29.41 | kepht | are there any startup problems with firefox_1.5.03-2 ? |
| 20:30.03 | kepht | it installs, but won't run |
| 20:30.04 | fatalerror | fusibou: you'll have little detail about it, as most of it went to the debian-private mailing list, which, as the name suggests, is private |
| 20:30.15 | fatalerror | fusibou: planet.debian.org should give you as much information as you can get |
| 20:30.53 | fusibou | all we ever get on this guy is hints and innuendo; can't see how it helps him or debian |
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| 20:33.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:33.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:33.36 | phaedrus_ | wuts that purge command agian? |
| 20:34.14 | fusibou | apt-get remove --purge |
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| 20:34.32 | stew | or aptitude purge |
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| 20:38.53 | veamos | how do I select apt urls? |
| 20:39.18 | streuner | running sarge/stable, just run 'apt-setup' |
| 20:39.40 | phaedrus_ | thanks |
| 20:39.48 | phaedrus_ | how do i find out what gcc im using? |
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| 20:39.52 | kyo | how can I mount a ntfs to read and write as user not root? |
| 20:40.03 | Shadowcat | you can't mount ntfs to write period |
| 20:40.05 | phaedrus_ | im haveing C compiler probs when ./configure |
| 20:40.21 | stew | phaedrus_: did you install build-essential? |
| 20:40.28 | kyo | qhat is the instruccions? |
| 20:40.30 | phaedrus_ | i dont think so |
| 20:40.36 | stew | phaedrus_: what are you compiling? |
| 20:40.47 | stew | phaedrus_: (gcc --version to answer your original question) |
| 20:41.09 | phaedrus_ | torsmo |
| 20:41.12 | kyo | what is the instruccions? |
| 20:41.16 | phaedrus_ | im trying to install torsmo |
| 20:41.50 | bit0 | ¿está egroupware-1.2 en experimental? |
| 20:41.55 | bit0 | sorry |
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| 20:42.02 | stew | bit0: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 20:42.06 | kyo | ????? |
| 20:42.13 | Leoryn | Hello |
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| 20:42.42 | drzed | hi there! |
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| 20:42.52 | phaedrus_ | ok build-essentials is installed |
| 20:42.53 | fatalerror | kyo: you cannot natively write to a nfts filesystem |
| 20:43.38 | StereoSkit | dudes, i have a wireless card for a laptop, installed the appropiate module (dmesg confirmed it), and the AP working, now, which command will allow me to make my wireless card ask for a IP to the AP? |
| 20:43.38 | kyo | and only read |
| 20:43.39 | phaedrus_ | the c compiler error is gone...but now its is reporting that i do not have X |
| 20:44.00 | bit0 | stew, thanks, yes, it is :) |
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| 20:44.41 | cureless | StereoSkit: "dude", some dhcp client |
| 20:44.59 | drzed | i just did am (-f dist) upgrade and now my font look quite ugly (except in kdm) |
| 20:45.18 | StereoSkit | is an offense to say "dude"? |
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| 20:45.31 | StereoSkit | cureless: tnx ill look for a dhco client |
| 20:45.36 | drzed | for example the T , the vertial line in T now uses two pixel rows instead of one |
| 20:45.37 | StereoSkit | s/o/p |
| 20:45.37 | cureless | StereoSkit: no, just being funny. |
| 20:45.41 | StereoSkit | ah, k |
| 20:45.47 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 20:45.54 | drzed | any idea what the problem could be? |
| 20:46.22 | drzed | (i use the same fonts as kdm does (as well as anti-aliasing)) |
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| 20:47.05 | veamos | where can I find non-free urls for sources.list (apt) ? |
| 20:47.08 | dannythm | hi all |
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| 20:47.25 | streuner | veamos: man sources.list |
| 20:47.27 | fusibou | kyo man mount |
| 20:47.41 | dannythm | can I burn a .mdf iso image with k3b? how? |
| 20:47.43 | pinucset_ | which kernel do i have to have in a intel core duo? |
| 20:47.44 | phaedrus_ | uh..i just used synaptic to inistall torsmo..it was easy |
| 20:48.06 | kyo | ok |
| 20:48.12 | kyo | thanks |
| 20:48.12 | phaedrus_ | dannythm i think you need to convert to iso first before k3b |
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| 20:48.30 | dannythm | phaedrus_: any idea on how to do that? |
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| 20:48.44 | phaedrus_ | naw...i was readin about it online the other day |
| 20:48.48 | phaedrus_ | forgot |
| 20:48.52 | veamos | 'man sources.list' doesn't help me |
| 20:48.54 | fusibou | pinucset_ presumably 686 |
| 20:48.56 | phaedrus_ | mdf to iso in google i guess |
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| 20:49.23 | dannythm | phaedrus_: ok |
| 20:49.24 | mbishop | does the fglrx-driver package work with xserver-xorg >=7 yet? |
| 20:49.32 | phaedrus_ | hey veamos do apt-setup and choose http |
| 20:49.40 | pinucset_ | fusibou i have it but it doesnt seems to use the two cores :S |
| 20:49.41 | phaedrus_ | and it will give a long list |
| 20:49.42 | cureless | mbishop: do you need lots of 3d? |
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| 20:49.44 | wut | i'm getting an error in the middle of trying to setup debian, it goes like "hda: dma_intr:status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { drivestatuserro BadCRC } CPU 0: Machine Check exception: 00000000000004 bank 4: b200000070f0f Kernel panic: CPU context corrupt In interrupt handler - not syncing" |
| 20:49.48 | wut | after the intial installation |
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| 20:50.02 | fusibou | pinucset_ is there an smp version? can't remember |
| 20:50.07 | veamos | phaedrus_ I need non-free urls |
| 20:50.10 | kyo | there is kde3.5.deb ? |
| 20:50.13 | phaedrus_ | ohh |
| 20:50.14 | phaedrus_ | hold on |
| 20:50.19 | cureless | wut: is that a new drive or an old one? |
| 20:50.19 | stew | wut: either your drive is going bad or your HD cable is bad |
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| 20:50.33 | wut | it's a fairly new drive |
| 20:50.42 | phaedrus_ | check this debian.multimedia.org website |
| 20:50.45 | phaedrus_ | they have a list |
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| 20:51.03 | pinucset_ | fusibou, yes it is, should i use 686-smp instead only 686? |
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| 20:51.18 | clarity__ | what network manage does debian use and how can I configure it? |
| 20:51.22 | cureless | wut: there is a very small possibility there's a bug in the driver for your hardware, and a very large possibility of what stew said, drive or cable is bad. |
| 20:51.29 | fusibou | pinucset_ worth a try but i'm no expert on smp; i use a 5-year-old thinkpad |
| 20:51.43 | cureless | clarity__: network manage? |
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| 20:51.52 | beefcake | how do i determine what program causes a high load? |
| 20:51.53 | clarity__ | network manager |
| 20:52.01 | clarity__ | yah to auto configure networks |
| 20:52.02 | stew | beefcake: top |
| 20:52.02 | cureless | beefcake: load of what? |
| 20:52.04 | clarity__ | ie... dhcp |
| 20:52.07 | phaedrus_ | sorry thats not it |
| 20:52.11 | beefcake | when i run uptime |
| 20:52.14 | beefcake | i have 15.00 load |
| 20:52.15 | beefcake | heh |
| 20:52.17 | pinucset_ | fusibou ok ;) |
| 20:52.21 | beefcake | i need to find out what is causing it |
| 20:52.25 | beefcake | :) |
| 20:52.25 | cureless | clarity__: you want the server or the client? try apt-cache search dhcp |
| 20:52.28 | clarity__ | debian isn't auto configuring my madwifi card :-\ |
| 20:52.39 | clarity__ | well I have dhclient working |
| 20:52.50 | tarzeau | beefcake: top? |
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| 20:52.52 | clarity__ | it just doesn't bring up the device |
| 20:52.56 | bnovc | i did apt-get deb-upgrade and it asks me a question but i can't backspace |
| 20:52.56 | cureless | clarity__: is the card detected? Do you need to download the driver/firmware? |
| 20:53.00 | beefcake | top shows nothing that uses high cpu |
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| 20:53.00 | mbishop | cureless: what do you mean "lots of 3d"? I'm using the r300 driver in xorg right now, but I want to be able to use cedega |
| 20:53.01 | phaedrus_ | i msg you veamos |
| 20:53.03 | beefcake | highest is 10% |
| 20:53.05 | clarity__ | cards detected and working |
| 20:53.06 | bnovc | how do i remove the current value without canceling and redoing |
| 20:53.07 | stew | beefcake: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 20:53.26 | clarity__ | I just have to type... "ifconfig ath0 up; iwconfig ath0 essid clarity; dhclient" |
| 20:53.31 | cureless | mbishop: I see. It's just because I use the x300 with the ati/radeon xorg driver and it works just fine. Don't know what cedega requires. |
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| 20:53.36 | veamos | phaedrus_ I entered that webpage and it isn't a debian webpage. it didn't help me |
| 20:53.37 | stew | clarity__: man interfaces |
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| 20:53.55 | phaedrus_ | i used it this morning |
| 20:53.55 | clarity__ | the entry is in the interfaces file |
| 20:54.09 | cureless | clarity__: so ifconfig ath0 works, right? |
| 20:54.11 | beefcake | im not swapping |
| 20:54.13 | phaedrus_ | did you get the one i messaged you veamos? |
| 20:54.20 | clarity__ | yup |
| 20:54.22 | phaedrus_ | in private message? |
| 20:54.27 | mbishop | Does the fglrx-driver package in unstable work with xorg >=7? |
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| 20:54.50 | stew | !debwiki mbishop Xorg69To7 |
| 20:54.50 | dpkg | mbishop: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 20:54.51 | cureless | beefcake: how do you know you have load if top doesn't show anything active? |
| 20:55.02 | kyo | there is kde3.5.deb ? |
| 20:55.09 | beefcake | because i was typing 'uptime' |
| 20:55.15 | beefcake | and my box was slow as shit |
| 20:55.27 | cureless | beefcake: is it still? |
| 20:55.32 | beefcake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.38 | fusibou | kyo http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 20:55.40 | wut | can i apt-get install programs right after installation like "apt-get install x-window-system" or do i have to edit a config file first? |
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| 20:55.55 | onetinsoldier | hi all |
| 20:55.56 | cureless | beefcake: and you have nothing on top? |
| 20:55.58 | setcode | hello |
| 20:56.01 | kyo | kde 3.5 |
| 20:56.01 | veamos | phaedrus_ I didn't receive any msg |
| 20:56.04 | veamos | from you |
| 20:56.05 | kyo | kde 3.5? |
| 20:56.07 | stew | beefcake: so was 0? did you have high numbers in bi or bo? in the cpu columns in vmstat, which column is the highest? |
| 20:56.13 | nkuttler | wut: usually not. /msg dpkg set up x |
| 20:56.14 | phaedrus_ | message me veamos |
| 20:56.20 | marco13185 | !removekde |
| 20:56.21 | C|int | hi all |
| 20:56.25 | beefcake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.25 | beefcake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.25 | beefcake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.52 | veamos | phaedrus_ I have to register my nickname |
| 20:56.57 | mbishop | stew: thanks |
| 20:56.59 | stew | beefcake: so your machine is slow becuase of huge amounts of stuff it is trying to write to your disks, it looks like |
| 20:57.02 | bnovc | http://home.bnovc.com/look/sshbug.jpg - i keep getting shit like that when i'm sshed...the double $ at the end when it doesnt really have 2 and it doesnt span my entire window - it used to work fine |
| 20:57.09 | stew | kyo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:57.14 | beefcake | i was writing yes |
| 20:57.18 | beefcake | but its a dual xeon 2.8ghz |
| 20:57.21 | beefcake | with 2gb mem |
| 20:57.22 | wut | dpkg only says to have the x-window core installed but thats what i'm trying to get |
| 20:57.29 | beefcake | it should easily be able to handle some diskwriting |
| 20:57.43 | kyo | sarge 3.1-r2 19/04/2006 |
| 20:57.47 | Shadowcat | what was the syntax to force X to overwrite the xorg.conf file? |
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| 20:57.49 | cureless | beefcake: or so you think. Are you using SCSI? |
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| 20:58.02 | nkuttler | wut: and? |
| 20:58.06 | stew | beefcake: doesn't matter how fast your processors are, the disks/bus can only go so fast |
| 20:58.14 | wut | wheres the manual on getting the core |
| 20:58.15 | eddyp | any idea how can I start by hand the kde panel app? |
| 20:58.17 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: you looking for an md5sum command? |
| 20:58.21 | dannythm | and I have another problem |
| 20:58.29 | eddyp | it crashed and has not respawned |
| 20:58.33 | cureless | beefcake: when you run top you can see an indication at the top, where it divides CPU time in percentages. |
| 20:58.33 | Shadowcat | onetinsoldier: maybe |
| 20:58.37 | stew | kyo: check backports.org /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:58.38 | beefcake | ok thx for the info |
| 20:58.41 | Shadowcat | it used to be in the comments section of the xorg.conf files |
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| 20:58.43 | bnovc | could someone please help me, i can't edit any files anymore |
| 20:58.44 | Shadowcat | but now it isn't there |
| 20:58.51 | fusibou | wut you can't just do apt-get install xorg? |
| 20:58.56 | dannythm | when I do apt-get upgrade it tells me that the connection was refused to every package |
| 20:59.01 | onetinsoldier | Shawdowcat: it's in the xorg.conf file...towards the top, in the comments |
| 20:59.05 | dannythm | but instead the apt-get update goes all right |
| 20:59.07 | cureless | bnovc: are you root? Is the disk read-only? |
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| 20:59.26 | bnovc | cureless, i can open/write, its just that if i scroll it blurs the entire screen and i have to reopen |
| 20:59.27 | Shadowcat | onetinsoldier: no it's not |
| 20:59.29 | dannythm | and it did'nt happende before |
| 20:59.31 | wut | fusibou, nope...i don't have apt set up yet i think |
| 20:59.39 | onetinsoldier | Shawdowcat: ok.. hang on |
| 20:59.49 | nkuttler | wut: run apt-setup |
| 20:59.58 | cureless | bnovc: are you talking about a specific program? |
| 21:00.03 | bnovc | cureless, vim |
| 21:00.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: LOSER :) |
| 21:00.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: why did you not go to .mx? |
| 21:00.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: jailbait! |
| 21:00.17 | bnovc | cureless, my terminal screws up though too if i type too long |
| 21:00.17 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum ...that what your looking for? |
| 21:00.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: noone likes me |
| 21:00.21 | wut | do you need to have an internet connection for that? |
| 21:00.29 | fusibou | wut of course |
| 21:00.35 | cureless | bnovc: what debian are you using with what kernel? |
| 21:00.37 | wut | i'm on my laptop right now because i can't get a connection established on my desktop |
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| 21:00.47 | Shadowcat | thanks onetinsoldier |
| 21:00.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: No definitions found for "jailbait" |
| 21:00.51 | wut | i usually did dhcpcd eth0 on slackware |
| 21:00.54 | bnovc | cureless, Linux server 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:00.59 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: yw |
| 21:00.59 | dannythm | I have problems with my apt-get upgrade, it tells me ( 111 connection refued) near every package name |
| 21:01.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i like you sweetheart |
| 21:01.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: try urbandictionary.com |
| 21:01.17 | dannythm | and it don't download anything |
| 21:01.57 | dannythm | it tells me that is can't connect to ftp.es.debian.org |
| 21:02.07 | cureless | bnovc: you're using sarge right? Are you doing this in the console? |
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| 21:02.19 | phaedrus_ | how can i search for files with debian? |
| 21:02.26 | bnovc | cureless, my vim is a custom compile; debian wouldnt let me install it |
| 21:02.34 | nkuttler | wut: run dhclient |
| 21:02.36 | streuner | phaedrus_: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:02.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: nice :) |
| 21:02.40 | Shadowcat | onetinsoldier: hmm still getting the error |
| 21:02.40 | phaedrus_ | ah |
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| 21:02.41 | cureless | bnovc: why not? |
| 21:02.42 | stew | phaedrus_: locate / apt-file / whereis... maybe dpkg -L |
| 21:02.45 | phaedrus_ | thanks |
| 21:02.48 | bnovc | cureless, doesnt think vim7 is stable |
| 21:03.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: debian's got no jailbaits |
| 21:03.02 | dannythm | how can tell it to connect to another server instead to ftp.es.debian.org? it don't conect as well to it when I do the aprt-get update |
| 21:03.04 | cureless | bnovc: does the same problem happen with vim6? |
| 21:03.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh ok |
| 21:03.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: but there are plenty here. you comin'? |
| 21:03.11 | priscila | phaedrus_: it's the same tool used in all distros :) try man find :P |
| 21:03.16 | stew | dannythm: on stable? run apt-setup |
| 21:03.21 | bnovc | cureless, it happens everywhere not just fine |
| 21:03.22 | bnovc | *vim |
| 21:03.25 | onetinsoldier | Shawdowcat: what's the error? |
| 21:03.30 | bnovc | if i do 'locate vim' it screws up my terminal |
| 21:03.31 | dannythm | stew: on etch |
| 21:03.41 | stew | dannythm: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:03.50 | Shadowcat | xserver-xorg postinstall warning not updating /etc/X11/X file has been customized |
| 21:03.58 | cureless | bnovc: so, let's see, you log into a new terminal froma reboot, you type locate vim and it screws up your terminal? |
| 21:04.06 | dannythm | stew: and I put ftp.debian.org? |
| 21:04.09 | bnovc | cureless, i'm sshing |
| 21:04.10 | beardy | bnovc: What kind of terminal, and screwed up in what way? |
| 21:04.21 | bnovc | xterm-color from OSX (it used to work and works to other servers) |
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| 21:04.36 | stew | dannythm: for a list of mirrors: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:04.36 | cureless | bnovc: where are you sshing from? |
| 21:04.38 | bnovc | when i type 'locate vim' it only uses the bottom 5 lines |
| 21:04.43 | bnovc | cureless, my OSX laptop |
| 21:04.47 | beardy | bnovc: 'echo $TERM' what does it say? |
| 21:04.48 | stew | Shadowcat: what does "readlink /etc/X11/X" say? |
| 21:04.53 | bnovc | beardy, xterm-color |
| 21:05.01 | menko | Well, this question isn't exactly a problem with or question about debian exactly, but I'm using this Dynalink router with debian, but it keeps crashing when under load (like when I'm autosurfing and downloading at the same time), anybody have suggestions for what settings I can use on the router to reduce the crashing? |
| 21:05.04 | tarzeau | bnovc: http://vi.mine.nu/ |
| 21:05.07 | veamos | where can I find non-free urls for sources.list (apt) ? |
| 21:05.19 | nkuttler | veamos: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 21:05.21 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: did you do the mdsum command as root? |
| 21:05.21 | beardy | bnovc: And the terminal you are ssh:ing from, what does the same command show you there? |
| 21:05.22 | cureless | bnovc: try to set your terminal to xterm, does the same problem happen? |
| 21:05.28 | onetinsoldier | *md5sum |
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| 21:05.43 | bnovc | cureless, yes it does |
| 21:05.53 | jshriver | Is there a command to copy the first x lines from a text file |
| 21:05.58 | bnovc | beardy, xterm-color also |
| 21:05.59 | tarzeau | nkuttler: hi |
| 21:06.02 | stew | jshriver: head |
| 21:06.02 | nkuttler | jshriver: head |
| 21:06.04 | bnovc | jshriver, head -n # |
| 21:06.05 | beardy | jshriver: man head |
| 21:06.05 | jshriver | thanks |
| 21:06.08 | jshriver | lol thanks |
| 21:06.09 | nkuttler | tarzeau: nabend |
| 21:06.12 | dannythm | stew: anything happens to the ftp.es.debian.org servert? |
| 21:06.31 | tarzeau | nkuttler: du bist so suess |
| 21:06.31 | cureless | bnovc: what other things have you compiled for this machine? |
| 21:06.38 | bnovc | cureless, that is all |
| 21:06.38 | beardy | bnovc: Ok. Have you tried setting both sides to "xterm"? |
| 21:06.42 | stew | dannythm: it works for me |
| 21:06.42 | nkuttler | tarzeau: erm... |
| 21:06.57 | bnovc | beardy, i tried it on my server i'm going to but my laptop is perfectly fine, i can ssh other places with no problem |
| 21:07.02 | bnovc | and it just started doing this |
| 21:07.08 | bnovc | after debian 'upgraded' |
| 21:07.11 | cureless | bnovc: ssh in, set your terminal to xterm, type ls, does it work? |
| 21:07.18 | bnovc | cureless, no |
| 21:07.24 | bnovc | it uses the last 5 lines still |
| 21:07.37 | cureless | bnovc: when did you upgrade debian? What other sources are in your sources.list? |
| 21:07.45 | bnovc | ok debian just deleted openssh so i can't test anymore |
| 21:07.50 | cureless | bnovc: and, just to confirm you're using debian stable, right? |
| 21:07.55 | bnovc | no unstable |
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| 21:08.02 | bnovc | i couldn't get anything to install with stable |
| 21:08.14 | bnovc | this seems even worse though |
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| 21:08.26 | cureless | bnovc: you keep omiting important facts in the story. |
| 21:08.38 | bnovc | i didnt mean to, sorry |
| 21:08.50 | cureless | bnovc: so where are you now? |
| 21:08.53 | stew | bnovc: why would you remove openssh? |
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| 21:08.59 | bnovc | stew, i didnt, debian did it for me |
| 21:09.04 | Shadowcat | onetinsoldier: ya I'm in as root |
| 21:09.05 | bnovc | as part of the 'apt-get deb-upgrade' |
| 21:09.10 | stew | bnovc: it didn't do it without telling you it was going to |
| 21:09.14 | bnovc | yes it did |
| 21:09.36 | cureless | bnovc: did you just upgrade unstable right now? |
| 21:09.36 | stew | no |
| 21:09.39 | bnovc | i'm going to let this apt-get upgrade finish |
| 21:09.48 | bnovc | cureless, partially... |
| 21:09.54 | cureless | what do you mean partially? |
| 21:09.58 | bnovc | after this finishes ill just spend another 10 hours debugging |
| 21:10.05 | bnovc | i upgraded my packages yesterday |
| 21:10.07 | stew | bnovc: when you ran apt-get dist-upgrade, it listed the packages it was going to remove |
| 21:10.10 | bnovc | and system upgrade today, i guess it means |
| 21:10.19 | bnovc | stew, it did not say it would remove mysql |
| 21:10.47 | stew | bnovc: it removed packages without telling you? |
| 21:10.53 | stew | bnovc: can you reproduce this? |
| 21:10.55 | bnovc | i think it tried to upgrade it |
| 21:11.02 | bnovc | and it just didnt come back |
| 21:11.10 | stew | what does that mean? |
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| 21:11.19 | bnovc | anyway, i'm just going to let this upgrade finish and then i'll let you k now |
| 21:11.24 | cureless | stew: he's upgrading via ssh |
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| 21:11.58 | bnovc | yep |
| 21:12.09 | bnovc | the upgrade just finished and i can no longer ssh |
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| 21:12.31 | stew | bnovc: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 21:12.32 | Salieri_br | hi everybody |
| 21:12.47 | bnovc | that was very nice of it to delete it |
| 21:13.09 | bnovc | neither ssh nor mysql was in the remove section |
| 21:13.16 | cureless | bnovc: it's really strange for it to remove ssh or mysql |
| 21:13.26 | stew | bnovc: if you really believe that, try to reproduce it then file a grave bug against apt |
| 21:13.28 | bnovc | and very counter-productive |
| 21:13.38 | cureless | how do you know it removed it if you can't log in? |
| 21:13.41 | stew | (hint: you won't be able to reproduce it) |
| 21:13.42 | bnovc | stew, i dont really want to have to go through this hell again |
| 21:13.47 | bnovc | cureless, my other ssh is still connected |
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| 21:13.59 | bnovc | stew, i swear it did not list them; i would not have done it if it had |
| 21:14.00 | cureless | bnovc: so you are connected via one ssh. |
| 21:14.01 | mtnman | stew: no, apt-get install ssh. |
| 21:14.05 | bnovc | my buffer is not long enough to show you though |
| 21:14.07 | stew | mtnman: huh? |
| 21:14.10 | bnovc | cureless, yes but i can't open a new connection |
| 21:14.22 | cureless | bnovc: is the upgrade finished? |
| 21:14.26 | mtnman | stew: there is no openssh package. ssh *is* openssh |
| 21:14.28 | bnovc | yes |
| 21:14.32 | bnovc | i'm installing openssh-server now |
| 21:14.33 | abrotman | mtnman: depends on the version of debian |
| 21:14.39 | stew | !info openssh-server unstable |
| 21:14.48 | dpkg | openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.3p2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 21:14.52 | bnovc | ok that worked but my terminal is still screwed up |
| 21:14.56 | mtnman | abrotman, i thought they guy was running stable... |
| 21:15.00 | cureless | bnovc: did you just upgrade to unstable? |
| 21:15.04 | bnovc | yes |
| 21:15.08 | abrotman | mtnman: i think that's part of the problem :) |
| 21:15.22 | cureless | bnovc: so this is the first time you move from stable to unstable? |
| 21:15.23 | bnovc | you can't run stable unless you don't want to use any software from what i can tell |
| 21:15.25 | mtnman | ah, he just upgraded to unstable, but doesn't sound like he should have. |
| 21:15.26 | bnovc | cureless, yes |
| 21:15.36 | abrotman | bnovc: odd ... many people use stable |
| 21:15.40 | stew | he's clearly in an alternate reality |
| 21:15.45 | bnovc | you can not install the new version of wine in stable |
| 21:15.49 | bnovc | you also can't install vim7 |
| 21:15.50 | abrotman | yes you can |
| 21:15.57 | bnovc | i asked in here at least a dozen times before i did this |
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| 21:16.00 | bnovc | and i was told to go to unstable |
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| 21:16.04 | jdv79_ | hello |
| 21:16.16 | abrotman | OMFG .. VIM7 makes me 1337!!!??!!! |
| 21:16.18 | cureless | I'm the one that usualy says that and I don't remember telling anybody to do that recently. |
| 21:16.20 | jdv79_ | problem, as usual |
| 21:16.25 | bnovc | abrotman, no but it has nice features |
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| 21:16.35 | mtnman | bnovc: you got bad advice. unstable is not a good choice unless you are intimately familiar with debian. |
| 21:16.35 | jdv79_ | we have a broadcom NIC and it seems the drivers aren't so hot |
| 21:16.49 | bnovc | too late now |
| 21:16.49 | jdv79_ | anyone have any experience with these things? |
| 21:16.49 | abrotman | bnovc: so you didn't ask about possible problems using something called "unstable" .. you just thought it would be fun ? |
| 21:16.52 | stew | bnovc: who told you to go to unstable? |
| 21:16.56 | stew | bnovc: they shouldn't have |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | i can think of a few that might have |
| 21:17.05 | bnovc | abrotman, no i thought it would let me use software that was made within the last year |
| 21:17.07 | freezombie | abrotman: pay tribute to your input model of choice by digging http://digg.com/linux_unix/vi_survival_guide ;) |
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| 21:17.11 | bnovc | i dont recall, someone last night |
| 21:17.25 | abrotman | freezombie: die? |
| 21:17.34 | mtnman | bnovc: so you're a bleeding edge guy... |
| 21:17.34 | cureless | I didn't tell him, I wasn't here last night,. |
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| 21:17.51 | freezombie | abrotman: who says anything about dieing ? |
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| 21:17.57 | jdv79_ | nobody knows about this broadcom mess? |
| 21:18.00 | bnovc | mtnman, perhaps - i just wanted to be able to install internet explorer originally...but then wine wouldn't install because libc6 wasn't a high enough version |
| 21:18.05 | bnovc | and it went on from there |
| 21:18.06 | abrotman | jdv79_: which NIC? |
| 21:18.20 | freezombie | heh. IE on linux |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | even though you can install IE on the version of wine in sarge ... |
| 21:18.25 | cureless | jdv79_: what is your broadcom problem? (not that that I can help) |
| 21:18.29 | mtnman | bnovc: internet exploder, yuck. |
| 21:18.36 | bnovc | mtnman, for testing websites |
| 21:18.38 | jdv79_ | eth0: Tigon3 [partno(349321-001) rev 2100 PHY(5704)] (PCIX:66MHz:64-bit) 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:17:08:50:da:d |
| 21:18.42 | fusibou | beating up bnovc is cruel and unnecessary |
| 21:18.44 | jdv79_ | actually |
| 21:18.51 | mtnman | fusibou: but fun :d |
| 21:18.52 | abrotman | jdv79_: how about from lspci ? |
| 21:18.54 | jdv79_ | it refuses to go into FD mode |
| 21:19.07 | abrotman | jdv79_: what driver? tg3 ? |
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| 21:19.15 | fusibou | mtnman do you have fun beating up old ladies ;-) |
| 21:19.19 | jdv79_ | 0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) |
| 21:19.24 | jdv79_ | uh huh - tg3 |
| 21:19.28 | mtnman | fusibou: only the tough old bats |
| 21:19.40 | fusibou | mtnman meaning the ones who use unstable? |
| 21:19.42 | abrotman | jdv79_: tried ethtool or mii-tool ? |
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| 21:19.59 | jdv79_ | we tried to force it with mii-tool and it seems to ignore it |
| 21:20.02 | jdv79_ | statys in HD mode |
| 21:20.03 | abrotman | fusibou: unstable is not for normal people .. whoever told bnovc to use unstable should be shot |
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| 21:20.14 | mtnman | fusibou: unstable users should not use unstable.... :D |
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| 21:20.43 | freezombie | mtnman: maybe they need it for stability ;) |
| 21:20.43 | bnovc | abrotman, doesn't hurt much now; i'm probably going to switch distros anyway |
| 21:20.44 | yanis | hello |
| 21:20.52 | bnovc | i can't do anything i need to do in stable and unstable is apparently terrible |
| 21:20.53 | freezombie | yanis: HELLO ! |
| 21:20.54 | jdv79_ | go fedora |
| 21:20.57 | jdv79_ | :) |
| 21:21.06 | Norbert_ | stew: in case you're still there... I've just ran "lshal --monitor" before attaching the cam, but it gives no output |
| 21:21.10 | freezombie | jdv79_: wrong channel ;) |
| 21:21.11 | fusibou | bnovc i've used unstable for years and i'm just an idiot lawyer with no cs degree |
| 21:21.15 | mtnman | freezombie: i just hope they don't decide to "experiment" and use experimental. |
| 21:21.17 | fusibou | it's as dangerous as a butter knife |
| 21:21.18 | cureless | bnovc: debian might take a little of getting used to, but believe us, it's worth it. |
| 21:21.27 | freezombie | mtnman: yeah... right there ;) |
| 21:21.34 | abrotman | bnovc: so you're wasting our time for fun ? |
| 21:21.36 | bnovc | getting used to not using the software i want to use though, cureless ? |
| 21:21.42 | stew | bnovc: you should be running stable + backports /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:21.47 | mtnman | fusibou: a butter knife can take your eye out |
| 21:21.48 | jdv79_ | anyway, i think we're gonan try to shove an intel or a 3com nic in and see if we can get it to work like that |
| 21:21.50 | bnovc | yea i read that before |
| 21:21.51 | yanis | when I try to mount an external usb disc I get :EXT2-fs: sda: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4). |
| 21:21.57 | stew | Norbert_: that's not good. do you know if your camera supports usb-storage? |
| 21:21.59 | cureless | bnovc: no, getting used to knowing how to get the software you want for the OS you want. It's not that bad. |
| 21:21.59 | jdv79_ | my bet is on the broadcom drivers (tg3) |
| 21:22.05 | stew | Norbert_: have you tried it with a debian compiled kernel? |
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| 21:22.08 | cureless | bnovc: (disclaimer, I use unstable) |
| 21:22.09 | freezombie | anyone want to learn vi or do me a favour ? http://digg.com/linux_unix/vi_survival_guide |
| 21:22.19 | bnovc | cureless, well i was told it was impossible to install what i wanted |
| 21:22.19 | fusibou | mtnman a pizza slice can take your eye out |
| 21:22.23 | bnovc | without going unstable |
| 21:22.27 | jjazz | bnovc: If all you want is IE, you really should install sidenet, which just gives you IE as opposed to the rest of wine. http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html |
| 21:22.30 | mtnman | anyone read the article about help vampires? |
| 21:22.32 | jdv79_ | fusibou: i doubt it man |
| 21:22.34 | mtnman | !vampire |
| 21:22.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vampire is see: http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires |
| 21:22.39 | bnovc | jjazz, i already used that and it did not work |
| 21:22.39 | cureless | bnovc: I'm sorry you got wrong advice. |
| 21:22.58 | Norbert_ | stew: yes, it does; I've managed to get it working on another Linux box, but I can't remember what exactly I did - I'm currently running my own baked kernel |
| 21:23.00 | stew | freezombie: if you have a specific question, please just ask it directly |
| 21:23.03 | cheal | abrotman: AFAIK nobody told bnovc to use unstable. actually, at least me and sanxyin told him he shouldn't do it, but he did it anyway. I recommend ignoring him |
| 21:23.06 | fusibou | jdv79_ it was a pathetic reference to a whiney comic from years ago |
| 21:23.13 | freezombie | stew: I have no question. |
| 21:23.20 | jjazz | bnovc: It worked quite well for me. Too bad. |
| 21:23.25 | stew | freezombie: why are you pasting that url? |
| 21:23.46 | bnovc | ok one more issue and i will stop being a bother....when i try 'apt-get install nxserver' it tells me i already have freenx and that is a replacement but that isnt true, i dont have nxsetup/nxserver anymore |
| 21:23.54 | bnovc | it was working fine before that upgrad deleted it |
| 21:23.59 | freezombie | stew: I suppose I was hoping for a minimal digg pick-up ;) |
| 21:23.59 | onetinsoldier | debian is the best. been over three and a half years since i've ran linux so i don't kno what i'm doing all that well yet. but back when i used to run debian, i used sid/unstable... because i knew what i was doing! hehe. i was able to handle any problems as far as installation/upgrading and system admin/config |
| 21:24.07 | stew | freezombie: what does that mean? |
| 21:24.33 | stew | freezombie: what is a "digg pick-up"? |
| 21:24.38 | jjazz | bnovc: You probably still have the package, even if you removed the files manually. |
| 21:24.47 | bnovc | i didnt remove the files manually |
| 21:24.49 | abrotman | freezombie: stop spamming us |
| 21:24.49 | onetinsoldier | but if you thkn you can just upgrade to unstableand not have to be at the machine to hanlde some admin and config isssues... you are wrong |
| 21:24.50 | freezombie | stew: digg.com is a news site based on users "digging" urls. I wouldn't mind more people "digging" that |
| 21:24.51 | bnovc | the updater removed them |
| 21:24.55 | mtnman | stew: when you lift a shovel full of dirtt :D |
| 21:24.55 | onetinsoldier | *think |
| 21:25.03 | stew | !ops freezombie spamming |
| 21:25.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: freezombie spamming |
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| 21:25.16 | cureless | bnovc: I'm not familiar with freens, but it should tell you which packages are the ones conflicting. Look at dpkg --list for stuff it thinks you have installed if you need to. |
| 21:25.21 | eg | Hi, Can someone recommend a good apt-get'able audio player capable of playing shoutcast streams which is not xmms or bmp? Reason is that the station I listen to has a ban on those players :) |
| 21:25.30 | cureless | bnovc: freenx |
| 21:25.34 | abrotman | zinf ? |
| 21:25.35 | bnovc | cureless, its not conflicting it says it wont install cause freenx is better/upgrade |
| 21:25.37 | abrotman | eg: zinf ? |
| 21:25.45 | cureless | eg: mpg123 |
| 21:25.47 | bnovc | Package nxserver is not available, but is referred to by another package. However the following packages replace it: |
| 21:25.48 | beardy | eg: Why do they have that? |
| 21:25.52 | jjazz | bnovc: What updated are you talking about? |
| 21:25.55 | eg | abrotman: don't now it, I'll check it out |
| 21:26.01 | bnovc | jjazz, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:26.01 | jjazz | s/updated/updater/ |
| 21:26.02 | cureless | eg: and why would they ban those players anyway? |
| 21:26.17 | eg | Because they can rip the audio stream |
| 21:26.20 | jjazz | bnovc: Those packages got clobbered when you went to unstable? |
| 21:26.21 | mtnman | cureless: only allow windows media viewer |
| 21:26.25 | bnovc | jjazz, yes |
| 21:26.26 | cureless | bnovc: well, that tells you the package is not available. |
| 21:26.32 | abrotman | bnovc: i thought you were going to install another distro ? |
| 21:26.38 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 21:26.41 | freezombie | eg remind them it's legal. |
| 21:26.43 | beardy | eg: And they think no other, if not all other players can? |
| 21:26.44 | bnovc | abrotman, i said if i can not get this to work |
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| 21:26.57 | freezombie | eg try xine-ui |
| 21:27.02 | cureless | eg: but then wouldn't any other player that is not what they want be banned too? |
| 21:27.03 | freezombie | or another xine player |
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| 21:27.19 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 21:27.32 | Norbert_ | stew: dmesg has a lot of stuff about usb in it now |
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| 21:27.38 | azeem | freezombie: you have been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 21:27.50 | veamos | where can I find non-free urls for sources.list (apt) ? dpkg doesn't help me |
| 21:27.53 | fusibou | bnovc can't really tell what's going on with your system; maybe you don't have the right repositories set up for what you are trying to install |
| 21:27.58 | abrotman | !tell veamos about non-free |
| 21:28.01 | jjazz | bnovc: Hrm. Well, at any rate, the package you want is freenx, not just the server. IIRC, you need the client _and_ the server just to run the client. Have you tried apt-get install freenx? |
| 21:28.03 | azeem | (or rather until come back from the pool) |
| 21:28.03 | mtnman | veamos: run apt-setup |
| 21:28.10 | kdean06 | Does anyone have any good resources to making deb-src packages? Google gives me a ton of irrelevant mailing list posts. |
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| 21:28.15 | abrotman | mtnman: not available in etch/sid |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 21:28.31 | beardy | !win abrotman |
| 21:28.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:28.33 | xxyyzz | Hi, I'm trying to install KDM, but when I type "aptitude install kdm" I get this output: http://pastebin.com/727259 |
| 21:28.36 | xxyyzz | I don't know what to do next. |
| 21:28.44 | mtnman | kdean06: see developers corner at www.debian.org |
| 21:28.47 | veamos | mtnman how can I know wich of all that urls is non-free?! |
| 21:28.54 | abrotman | xxyyzz: bad paste |
| 21:28.56 | veamos | which |
| 21:28.59 | cureless | kdean06: doesn't the debian site have a bunch of docs on that? |
| 21:29.00 | stew | azeem: how's .mx? |
| 21:29.09 | xxyyzz | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 21:29.11 | mtnman | veamos: if you go through the setup, it will ask if you want non-free sources |
| 21:29.12 | azeem | freezombie: if you want to be part of this community, you should not spam around |
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| 21:29.14 | abrotman | xxyyzz: look at it |
| 21:29.21 | azeem | stew: the network is flakey, but the weather is good |
| 21:29.24 | Norbert_ | stew: what exactly do you do for a living? |
| 21:29.24 | xxyyzz | Yep ? |
| 21:29.30 | veamos | it doesn't ask me that |
| 21:29.39 | kdean06 | cureless, mtnman, funny, how when one gets excited about a concept, he forgets the basics. Thank you both! |
| 21:29.40 | Norbert_ | stew: you seem to be on this channel all the time, is a company paying you to help out debian folks? ;-) |
| 21:29.41 | mtnman | veamos: well, it asked me... |
| 21:30.06 | mtnman | kdean06: you're welcome |
| 21:30.13 | cureless | Norbert_: stew collects statistics for the NSA about questions on #debian |
| 21:30.14 | xxyyzz | abrotman, the first character is off the screen, I think, so it might look a bit weird... |
| 21:30.17 | xxyyzz | Do you know what I should type next? |
| 21:30.23 | stew | Norbert_: i do computer consulting, i own the company :) (i've been doing a lot of long compiles recently, so i end up with 30 seconds to kill all day long) |
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| 21:30.40 | Norbert_ | stew: okay ;-) |
| 21:30.42 | cureless | Norbert_: that's his cover. |
| 21:30.49 | Norbert_ | cureless: hehe |
| 21:30.50 | stew | azeem: i've noticed about the network, /ignore #debian-* -regexp -pattern JOINS QUITS :) |
| 21:30.51 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 21:31.46 | eg | thanks for suggestions all :) Using mpg123, never new it could play streams also :) |
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| 21:32.02 | xxyyzz | Does anybody know what I should do next to get KDM to work? |
| 21:32.20 | fusibou | xxyyzz did you check the url the error gave you? |
| 21:32.27 | xxyyzz | I didn't get an error :( |
| 21:32.39 | xxyyzz | It just says this when I install it: http://pastebin.com/727259 |
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| 21:33.04 | fusibou | xxyyzz did you check that url in your web browser? |
| 21:33.18 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: what does dpkg -l kdm show? |
| 21:33.18 | xxyyzz | There is no URL there :( |
| 21:33.25 | abrotman | xxyyzz: dpkg -l kdm .. what does it say ? |
| 21:33.31 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
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| 21:33.40 | irina | hi guys- How can I make GRUB recognize an existing hard drive with Windows Installed in it ? I had it previously working but reinstalling Etch Beta 2 removed that entry so I have no choice of booting to windows |
| 21:34.02 | abrotman | irina: google "dual boot linux windows grub" |
| 21:34.23 | fusibou | irina in your googling, look for the word chainloader |
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| 21:35.08 | abrotman | xxyyzz: well .. what does it say? |
| 21:35.11 | mtnman | irina: iirc, there is an "examples" section in the grub docs which describes what you have asked. |
| 21:35.14 | xxyyzz | abrotman, should I put it in pastebin? |
| 21:35.27 | abrotman | yes .. but the whole thing this time :) |
| 21:35.37 | xxyyzz | I can't see the first character :( |
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| 21:35.41 | xxyyzz | 'Cause it's off the screen... |
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| 21:35.47 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 21:35.54 | abrotman | why is it off the screen? |
| 21:36.13 | xxyyzz | No idea... I just installed Debian like 5 hours ago, and it came that way :( |
| 21:36.15 | irina | thanks guys |
| 21:36.21 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 21:36.25 | mtnman | irina: in /usr/share/doc/grub-doc there is an html directory an below that a "multiboot" link |
| 21:36.32 | xxyyzz | It said this: http://pastebin.com/727273 |
| 21:36.34 | abrotman | cheater .. using docs! |
| 21:36.45 | abrotman | xxyyzz: afaict .. kdm is already installed |
| 21:36.55 | xxyyzz | abrotman, how do I run it? |
| 21:36.56 | abrotman | xxyyzz: as root ... try /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
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| 21:37.30 | xxyyzz | It said: "Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not running." "Starting K display Manager: kdm.", then it did nothing (just went to the next line) |
| 21:37.38 | markus_ | how do i change namen in bitchx? |
| 21:37.58 | cureless | markus_: you slap it around for a bit |
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| 21:38.12 | markus_ | done that.. it doesnt work |
| 21:38.14 | beardy | markus_: same way as any other client I'd guess, /nick foo |
| 21:38.18 | _rain | xxyyzz: that sounds like a problem with your X |
| 21:38.18 | fusibou | xxyyzz does ctrl-alt-f7 show you the kdm login? |
| 21:38.21 | cureless | markus_: try /nick |
| 21:38.38 | markus_ | okey.. i tought it was /name or something:P |
| 21:38.43 | xxyyzz | fusibou, no it does nothing :( |
| 21:38.49 | xxyyzz | _rain, how would you fix it? |
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| 21:39.05 | xxyyzz | I'm not sure if I've installed X. |
| 21:39.12 | jjazz | xxyyzz: Are you in a graphical environment right now? |
| 21:39.18 | xxyyzz | I'm very very new to Debian. I don't actually know the difference between KDM & X. |
| 21:39.19 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: dpkg -l | grep xsever |
| 21:39.21 | xxyyzz | jjazz, nope, I'm in the console |
| 21:39.25 | _rain | xxyyzz: depends, what does `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log` show? |
| 21:39.29 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 21:39.41 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: dpkg -l | grep xserver |
| 21:39.42 | xxyyzz | onetinsoldier, your thing did nothing |
| 21:39.54 | jjazz | xxyyzz: startx |
| 21:39.57 | veamos | mtnman, what version of apt do you have? |
| 21:40.27 | mtnman | Version: 0.5.28.6 |
| 21:40.29 | xxyyzz | _rain: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory" |
| 21:40.36 | mtnman | (stable) |
| 21:40.51 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: dpkg -l | grep xserver |
| 21:40.53 | veamos | the same as me |
| 21:41.04 | xxyyzz | I typed startx, and it said: "line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory" and "line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: no such file or directory" |
| 21:41.07 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: i made a typo that first time... try again plz |
| 21:41.14 | xxyyzz | onetinsoldier, I did, got the same thing |
| 21:41.15 | veamos | and I don't know why apt-setup doesn't ask me for non-free sources |
| 21:41.30 | mtnman | veamos: you may be set for a different level of verbosity. dpkg-reconfigure apt, perhaps. |
| 21:41.36 | xxyyzz | Then "iving up." "init: No such file or directory errno 2): unable to connect to X server", "init: No such process (errno 3): Server error" |
| 21:41.40 | phaedrus_ | veamos: still having issues?. |
| 21:41.46 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: ok... sounds like you have not installed X then.. but strange. i would think that kdm would depend on X being installed |
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| 21:41.59 | xxyyzz | Maybe that's why I can't run KDM =/ |
| 21:42.02 | xxyyzz | How would I go about installing X? |
| 21:42.08 | beardy | !install x |
| 21:42.08 | dpkg | somebody said install xf4 was apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 21:42.14 | onetinsoldier | you running stable? |
| 21:42.15 | _rain | onetinsoldier: one would assume |
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| 21:42.20 | mtnman | onetinsoldier: no, it does not, since you can run X remotely. |
| 21:42.25 | jjazz | !install xorg |
| 21:42.30 | jjazz | hmm |
| 21:42.38 | Snurf | I am wondering if someone has knowledge about 'wget' |
| 21:42.38 | onetinsoldier | mtnman: ok, roger |
| 21:42.55 | tarzeau | Snurf: yes |
| 21:42.56 | jjazz | !get xorg |
| 21:42.56 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 21:42.57 | xxyyzz | Do I type that whole thing from "install xf4" ? |
| 21:43.01 | mtnman | snurf many do |
| 21:43.02 | veamos | phaedrus_ yes. now you are able to msg me |
| 21:43.11 | xxyyzz | I'm running Sarge |
| 21:43.13 | Snurf | What does this option in wget mean? -r, --recursive recursive web-suck -- use with care! |
| 21:43.16 | phaedrus_ | i just messaged you |
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| 21:43.19 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: are you runnning stable/sarge? |
| 21:43.21 | phaedrus_ | message me |
| 21:43.25 | xxyyzz | Yep, onetinsoldier |
| 21:43.28 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 21:43.36 | mtnman | snurf: i bet you could figure it out if you read the manpage. |
| 21:43.42 | Snurf | manpage? |
| 21:43.47 | jjazz | Snurf: It means wget will follow links in the doc and get those too. Then it will follow links in those docs... etc. |
| 21:43.54 | fusibou | snurf man wget |
| 21:43.56 | beardy | wow.. |
| 21:44.05 | Snurf | Thanks for being Polite |
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| 21:44.11 | phaedrus_ | i can find the .torsmo directory ...any advice? |
| 21:44.35 | xxyyzz | onetinsoldier, so I type: "install xf4 was apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core"? |
| 21:44.41 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: try apt-get install x-window-system to get started |
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| 21:45.13 | xxyyzz | Okay, thank you, it's doing stuff |
| 21:45.23 | xxyyzz | It said it will take 19 minutes |
| 21:45.35 | mtnman | -core is smaller |
| 21:45.44 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: cool.. you're welcome.. and i'm sure you'll be needing more. ;) |
| 21:45.54 | veamos | where can I find non-free sources? dpkg bot doesn't help me! |
| 21:46.15 | sid | veamos: What do you want to install? |
| 21:46.23 | jjazz | veamos: Most non-free stuff doesn't come with source, that's one of the reasons things can be non-free |
| 21:46.25 | veamos | nvidia drivers |
| 21:46.33 | xxyyzz | onetinsoldier, after this finishes, what do I type to run KDM? |
| 21:46.45 | sid | veamos: You need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update |
| 21:46.50 | sid | !tell veamos about non-free |
| 21:46.51 | jjazz | !nvidia oneliner |
| 21:46.51 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 21:47.18 | veamos | ok |
| 21:47.18 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: if your lucky. but first... you should also install what mtnman said.... apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 21:47.30 | xxyyzz | Install both? |
| 21:47.33 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 21:47.41 | jjazz | onetinsoldier: I was under the impression that x-window-system was a superset of x-window-system-core |
| 21:47.49 | xxyyzz | k, should I wait 'til this finishes, or do it on another console? |
| 21:47.51 | mtnman | jjazz: correctamundo |
| 21:48.04 | sid | veamos: You need to add "contrib non-free" to the end of the line... next to "main" |
| 21:48.05 | xxyyzz | It's done 65% |
| 21:48.08 | onetinsoldier | jjazz: ok.. wasn't sure it would install it... i'm rusty |
| 21:48.10 | mtnman | jjazz: or you could say that -core is a subset... |
| 21:48.16 | sid | veamos: What version of debian are you using? |
| 21:48.16 | veamos | but when I type m-a auto-install nvidia .. it says to me that I have to add something in sources.list |
| 21:48.24 | fusibou | xxyyzz if you installed kdm, are you planning on using kde? presumably, you need to install that as well |
| 21:48.28 | stew | veamos: you need non-free /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:48.38 | jjazz | xxyyzz: You can't do more than one apt-get at a time. It will refuse because of file locking. |
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| 21:48.40 | veamos | debian 3.1-r1 |
| 21:48.42 | onetinsoldier | unfamiliar with all upteen thousand packages at this time. i probably will be after a while though. ;-) |
| 21:48.49 | stew | veamos: man sources.list |
| 21:48.51 | xxyyzz | jjazz, aaaaaah k |
| 21:48.52 | xxyyzz | fusibou, I don't know the difference between kdm and kde |
| 21:48.53 | veamos | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 21:49.06 | fusibou | veamos in the sources.list file you add non-free after the repository name |
| 21:49.06 | xxyyzz | I just want to have the GUI running, 'cause I'm very new to Debian and I don't know how to use the console yet... |
| 21:49.16 | xxyyzz | I was hoping to ease my way into it. |
| 21:49.17 | jjazz | xxyyzz: kde is the desktop environment. kdm is just the login manager. |
| 21:49.18 | sid | veamos: Are you using xfree86 or xorg? |
| 21:49.23 | xxyyzz | Just staring at a black screen can be very intimidating. |
| 21:49.27 | veamos | xfree86 |
| 21:49.30 | onetinsoldier | kdm is a display manager. it will allow you to load up window managers, such as kde |
| 21:49.34 | mtnman | xxyyzz: it is the difference between an x-session-manager and an x-window-manager. |
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| 21:49.41 | sid | veamos: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 nvidia-glx-legacy; |
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| 21:49.49 | xxyyzz | jjazz, oh, so how do I install kde? apt-get install kde <- ? |
| 21:49.49 | sid | veamos: Then you're done...You just have to edit your X config. |
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| 21:49.57 | veamos | sid, I added 'contrib non-free' to all lines.. and later I typed apt-get update.. and it give lot of errors |
| 21:49.58 | stew | xxyyzz: yes |
| 21:49.59 | jjazz | I think it's apt-get install kde-base |
| 21:50.08 | onetinsoldier | it's just kde |
| 21:50.09 | xxyyzz | k I will use yours |
| 21:50.10 | stew | veamos: put your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 21:50.12 | _rain | xxyyzz: you'll learn to love that black screen ... |
| 21:50.15 | onetinsoldier | kde is the meta-package |
| 21:50.15 | jjazz | (but I haven't used kde in a looong time) |
| 21:50.19 | sid | veamos: Put your sources.list file on http://debian.pastebin.com |
| 21:50.20 | mtnman | kde-core |
| 21:50.27 | xxyyzz | Well at the moment the black screen is scary and brings back memories of MS-DOS, heh |
| 21:50.27 | mtnman | or kdebase |
| 21:50.44 | xxyyzz | jjazz, what do you use? |
| 21:50.44 | jjazz | xxyyzz: The black screen is your friend. Seriously. |
| 21:50.47 | mtnman | xxyyzz: don't be scared of the dark |
| 21:50.51 | cheal | sid: there's no nvidia-glx-legacy in sarge |
| 21:51.00 | jjazz | xxyyzz: blackbox |
| 21:51.01 | xxyyzz | So do I use 'kde', 'kde-core' or 'kdebase'? |
| 21:51.01 | _rain | mtnman: in etch at least, it's kde, i dont remember if there's a kde in sarge |
| 21:51.11 | xxyyzz | jjazz, just the black screen with no GUI at all? |
| 21:51.13 | mtnman | !kde stable |
| 21:51.15 | jjazz | xxyyzz: But if you're new to linux, you probably want something a little userfriendly. |
| 21:51.15 | sid | cheal: odd...lol isn't nvidia-glx-legacy for xfree86 which is only in sarge? |
| 21:51.18 | xxyyzz | You're a braver man than I am.. |
| 21:51.24 | mtnman | !install kde |
| 21:51.24 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:51.40 | sid | veamos: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 21:51.43 | xxyyzz | dpkg knows lots of things |
| 21:51.54 | fusibou | xxyyzz the Gnome gui is good too (my personal preference) |
| 21:51.59 | mtnman | xxyyzz: you're starting to catch on.... :D |
| 21:52.01 | cheal | sid: no. AFAIK even the current NVIDIA drivers should work with XFree86 |
| 21:52.02 | veamos | 3.1 |
| 21:52.03 | jjazz | xxyyzz: Yes, read up on screen (i.e. do 'man screen') You have all the multitasking you need for most things right there. The only thing you really need the x environment for is video and graphical web browsing. |
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| 21:52.18 | xxyyzz | I didn't actually know about kdm & kde, but last night when tralala was helping me and we installed kdm (I think). |
| 21:52.24 | sid | cheal: That's what I thought also...then what is the point of the legacy package? |
| 21:52.57 | cheal | veamos: BTW, although that won't help you with your problem, the first thing you should do is to update your Linux image to a more secure one (2.4.27-3-386) |
| 21:52.59 | xxyyzz | jjazz, well graphical web browsing has its advantages too... I can't really determine what a site would look like by looking at incoming packets just yet =/ |
| 21:53.06 | xxyyzz | I think I should be using Debian for at least a week before I attempt such things... |
| 21:53.25 | cheal | sid: the legacy package supports some old cards not supported anymore by the current drivers |
| 21:53.37 | mtnman | xxyyzz: you should attach a cat5 directly to your ear |
| 21:53.44 | xxyyzz | heh |
| 21:53.57 | fusibou | mtnman your brain isn't gigabit yet? |
| 21:53.57 | mtnman | thus bypassing the os |
| 21:53.57 | stew | mtnman: uhh, you haven't switched to wireless yet? |
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| 21:54.02 | sid | cheal: ahh I understand...the desc. apt-cache gave me was misleading... nvidia-glx-legacy - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver (legacy version) |
| 21:54.06 | xxyyzz | One thing I can say about Debian is, I've been using it 5 hours and it hasn't crashed yet. |
| 21:54.06 | sid | thanks cheal |
| 21:54.07 | nse | my video is dropping frames. what is the first step to go round this? |
| 21:54.11 | xxyyzz | (Granted it doesn't have a GUI yet) |
| 21:54.12 | onetinsoldier | i'm currently running m fav gui... xfce 4.4 beta. aka 4.3.90.1 |
| 21:54.15 | xxyyzz | OS 9.0 wouldn't have made it thus far. |
| 21:54.17 | mtnman | fusibou: nope. i'm barely on megabits |
| 21:54.33 | cheal | sid: oh...yeah, I guess the maintainer didn't update the description |
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| 21:55.06 | mtnman | !maint apache |
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| 21:55.09 | dpkg | apache: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 21:55.23 | clarity_ | hey.. the 2.6 kernel keeps getting a hang up on the ohci module |
| 21:55.42 | xxyyzz | Do you guys recommend installing 'kde', 'kde-core' or 'kdebase'? Keeping in mind I've been using Debian 5 hours and know zilch. |
| 21:55.45 | clarity_ | is there a way I could mount the disk and comment out that line from where ever it's loaded |
| 21:55.52 | clarity_ | to keep it from hanging? |
| 21:55.54 | onetinsoldier | kde |
| 21:55.59 | cheal | xxyyzz: ask #debian-kde |
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| 21:56.23 | onetinsoldier | kde will install more than the other options |
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| 21:56.34 | nikos | (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 21:56.34 | nikos | (EE) No drivers available. |
| 21:56.39 | nikos | why? |
| 21:56.43 | thingfish | xxyyzz: I'd do 'kde' - with it, you get pretty much everything. |
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| 21:57.04 | raspi | hello, does someone have experience with 3ware 3dm2? I'm getting error "Failed to create SSL context" |
| 21:57.05 | mtnman | except that most people won't need "everything" |
| 21:57.06 | _rain | xxyyzz: since your a noob, you probly just want to install a whole bunch of stuff, then decide what you prefer later on |
| 21:57.07 | xxyyzz | k, I will install kde when it finishes installing x-window-system... then there is going to be a GUI, right? |
| 21:57.18 | xxyyzz | _rain, yeah, sounds good to me! |
| 21:57.18 | alice|wl | hello, my server crashed and I want to find out why, according to a vmstat log I have block in raised notable before the complete lock up. I m triing to reproduce it with stress now in order to find out what exactly locked the computer. |
| 21:57.19 | nikos | plz help me ic ant start x |
| 21:57.26 | alice|wl | does this make sense? |
| 21:57.35 | _rain | xxyyzz: maybe not right away |
| 21:57.37 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: you'll be lucky if X is ready to go right off the bat |
| 21:57.38 | jjazz | xxyyzz: blackbox, btw is the name of a window manager |
| 21:57.46 | thingfish | xxyyzz: oh sure. make sure it installs kdm for you, too. |
| 21:57.47 | fusibou | nikos did you update your kernel recently? |
| 21:57.51 | alice|wl | dual amd, i2o raid, debian sarge, 2.6.8-3-k7-smp |
| 21:57.52 | nikos | Fatal server error: |
| 21:57.52 | nikos | no screens found |
| 21:58.03 | xxyyzz | thingfish, I think kdm is already installed. |
| 21:58.10 | nikos | fusibou: no but i did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:58.21 | nikos | to i wernt from sarge => sid |
| 21:58.24 | thingfish | xxyyzz: good. |
| 21:58.34 | fusibou | nikos i imagine that updated your kernel |
| 21:58.34 | mtnman | nikos: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (if you're running stable) and input valid info. |
| 21:59.01 | alice|wl | it was a postgres script with a recursive trigger what crashed the server the first time with a block in of 7000 but the crash happend again without the script. I have to find out if its postgres related. |
| 21:59.03 | nikos | mtnman: this did ask me soemthing |
| 21:59.10 | mtnman | oh sid.. then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i suppose. |
| 21:59.18 | nikos | mtnman: this didnt ask me soemthing |
| 21:59.28 | nikos | dell:~# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:59.28 | nikos | dell:~# |
| 21:59.43 | xxyyzz | So do any versions of Debian come with the GUI? Or do you have to install them on all versions? |
| 22:00.04 | mtnman | xxyyzz: debian "comes" with whatever you install. |
| 22:00.16 | thingfish | xxyyzz: Debian allows you to choose, doesn't install a gui DE unless you want one. |
| 22:00.26 | nikos | guys did my system wen tmad? |
| 22:00.34 | nikos | after the dist-upgrade? |
| 22:00.40 | thingfish | xxyyzz: not all people who install Debian want to use it for a desktop. |
| 22:00.42 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: if you get debian on CD then you can probably choose to install X in the installer. net install for stable might have the option it download and install X too |
| 22:01.13 | thingfish | I guess gui DE is redundant... |
| 22:01.16 | xxyyzz | I think they should have a "Debian for dummies", that came with a GUI regardless. That way it caters for the 'not-so-smart' people (myself). 'Cause then you lull them into a false sense of security with "hey, you can use the GUI", and then later on they want to learn more about the big black screen themselves... |
| 22:01.17 | mtnman | nikos: well, unstable is not for newbies, the feint of heart, or those who are unable/unwilling to dig through docs. |
| 22:01.28 | fusibou | nikos do uname -a |
| 22:01.39 | thingfish | xxyyzz: why do that, when you can come here just like you did? |
| 22:01.40 | nikos | dell:~# uname -a |
| 22:01.40 | nikos | Linux dell 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Feb 9 07:39:48 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:02.00 | nikos | whats doe sscreen no foud means? |
| 22:02.03 | thingfish | xxyyzz: plus during install it asks you if you want to install a desktop environment. |
| 22:02.04 | xxyyzz | thingfish, some of my friends are very old, and couldn't use IRC if their life depended on it =/ |
| 22:02.04 | mtnman | xxyyzz: "dummies" are not debian's target population. |
| 22:02.11 | nikos | and also |
| 22:02.12 | nikos | (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 22:02.15 | thingfish | older than 48? |
| 22:02.26 | xxyyzz | mtnman, that's where their marketing strategy is going wrong... Windows lives off the dummies! |
| 22:02.30 | xxyyzz | That's why there are so many Windows users... |
| 22:02.38 | fusibou | nikos you probably need to re-install the nvidia driver after your upgrade |
| 22:02.44 | mtnman | xxyyzz: debian doesn't do "marketing" |
| 22:02.45 | _rain | xxyyzz: and so many dummies! |
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| 22:02.57 | nikos | fusibou: yes but how? |
| 22:03.04 | fusibou | mtnman i'm a dummy and i love debian. especially unstable. ;-) |
| 22:03.10 | nikos | apt-get install nvidia-glx ? |
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| 22:03.25 | xxyyzz | This unstable talk sounds hard. I vow never to install it. |
| 22:03.26 | thingfish | now come on we can't really call people who are actually ignorant, dummies. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. |
| 22:03.28 | fusibou | nikos i don't have an nvidia card but google should be able to help |
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| 22:03.42 | homecable | can any one try to see if they can get on ./server nsevil.ath.cx:6667 testing my firewall to see if port 6667 is open |
| 22:03.45 | stoned | hi |
| 22:03.48 | LunarC | hi, since I upgraded to debian etch, neither eclipse nor azureus will start, they both give me *** glibc detected errors |
| 22:03.49 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz> This unstable talk sounds hard. I vow never to install it. |
| 22:03.49 | _rain | nikos: you know, pasting that very error in a google search-box could get you tons of help |
| 22:03.49 | onetinsoldier | <thingfish> now come on we can't really call people who are actually ignorant, dummies. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. |
| 22:03.55 | Shadowcat | I'm having the ride of my life trying to get KDE to work with XOrg 7 at the moment |
| 22:03.55 | mtnman | thingfish: dumbness, not stupidity. not exactly the same thing. |
| 22:03.56 | onetinsoldier | oops! omg |
| 22:03.57 | nikos | fusibou: ic ant google |
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| 22:04.02 | nikos | ii dotn have graphcois |
| 22:04.07 | thingfish | hehe dumbness isn't even a word ;) |
| 22:04.08 | nikos | neither lynx or links |
| 22:04.12 | Rockj | how do I reconfigure the MTA (Mail transfer Agent) ? I used base-config before in Debian Sarge. (running Etch now) |
| 22:04.13 | fusibou | nikos do you have lynx? |
| 22:04.16 | nikos | please tell me same commands |
| 22:04.16 | thingfish | dumbnity? |
| 22:04.23 | nikos | to use |
| 22:04.27 | thingfish | dumbitude? |
| 22:04.28 | cheal | nikos: no screens found is a result of a previous error, presumably "Failed to load module "nv"" in your case |
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| 22:04.38 | nikos | yes cheal |
| 22:04.43 | mtnman | rockj: which mta? |
| 22:04.46 | fusibou | nikos you can cheat |
| 22:04.47 | nikos | but why sicne i ahve updates nvidia-glx |
| 22:04.48 | xxyyzz | I think 'dumbness' is a word, just it's not used very often (or in proper context)... and it sounds wrong. |
| 22:04.50 | phaedrus_ | how do i uninstall a package i just ihstalled from source? |
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| 22:04.55 | _rain | Shadowcat: really? i have it running |
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| 22:04.57 | xxyyzz | brb, xserver-xfree86 is asking me to configure things |
| 22:04.57 | fusibou | if you edit your xorg.conf file and change "nvidia" to "nv" |
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| 22:05.10 | thingfish | who knows, xxyyzz, maybe it is. |
| 22:05.12 | nikos | fusibou: it has nv by defaukt |
| 22:05.15 | jjazz | phaedrus_: did you make a package out of it before installing it? |
| 22:05.19 | Rockj | mtnman: I guess it would be exim4 as I assume that's what is default with debian. but I've tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 without any console-gui arrived =/ |
| 22:05.21 | nikos | i tries to nchae it to nvidia or vesa |
| 22:05.25 | nikos | but still it ditn work |
| 22:05.33 | phaedrus_ | i did ./configure make make install |
| 22:05.38 | mtnman | rockj: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, iirc |
| 22:05.50 | thingfish | yep ^^ |
| 22:06.01 | Rockj | mtnman: Thanks, the one I was looking for ;) |
| 22:06.06 | fusibou | nikos does dpkg-reconfigure xorg help? |
| 22:06.13 | cheal | nikos: "nv" is not related to nvidia-glx. is x-window-system-core installed? |
| 22:06.15 | veamos | mm.. I'm trying to remove some packages by apt-get and it gives me a dependency error and I can't do anything! |
| 22:06.19 | mtnman | rockj: welcome |
| 22:06.19 | nikos | dell:~# dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 22:06.19 | nikos | dell:~# |
| 22:06.32 | phaedrus_ | nikos: did you use nv? |
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| 22:06.41 | obscuresoul | hello |
| 22:06.47 | onetinsoldier | phaedrus_: you have to delete the file by hand. i used to use a util called 'makeinstall' to install source and uninstalling them easier. now i can't find it on Google! |
| 22:06.51 | thingfish | I think you would want dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:06.52 | nikos | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:06.52 | nikos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.55 | onetinsoldier | *files |
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| 22:07.26 | nikos | it says it has unmet dependencies |
| 22:07.48 | mtnman | nikos: introduce them :D |
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| 22:08.00 | nikos | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:08.00 | nikos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.03 | nikos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.05 | nikos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.08 | nikos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:08.33 | stoned | don't paste here man |
| 22:08.39 | nikos | sorry |
| 22:08.49 | stoned | nikos, /topic |
| 22:08.50 | fusibou | nikos you're unstable right? if so, you can try apt-get install xorg |
| 22:09.16 | xxyyzz | Please choose your mouse port. /dev/psaux /dev/ttyS0 /devttyS1 /dev/ttyS2 /dev/ttyS3 /dev/input/mice /dev/adbmouse /devamigamouse /dev/atarimouse /dev/atibm /dev/sunmouse /dev/gpmdata |
| 22:09.21 | xxyyzz | I can't find the USB-mouse option :( |
| 22:09.22 | nikos | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:09.29 | nikos | still ti says it has dependencies |
| 22:09.33 | epictetu1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.40 | epictetu1 | is the best, with kernel 2.6 |
| 22:09.46 | stoned | nikos, you are using sarge/etch/sid? |
| 22:09.59 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: do you have gpm installed yet? |
| 22:10.04 | obscuresoul | there's any plugin to watch movies in the browser? i'm not talking about the mplayer and vlc plugins... |
| 22:10.05 | xxyyzz | What's gpm? |
| 22:10.09 | nikos | i had sarge and today i cnages the repos to sid |
| 22:10.14 | stoned | general purpose mouse |
| 22:10.19 | nikos | and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:10.20 | xxyyzz | I'm not sure... |
| 22:10.22 | stoned | it gives your mouse life in console |
| 22:10.31 | xxyyzz | My mouse does nothing in the console :( |
| 22:10.38 | xxyyzz | I can't even see the pointy bit.. |
| 22:10.38 | stoned | nikos, why to sid? |
| 22:10.40 | cheal | nikos: unstable is not supported here |
| 22:10.46 | nikos | to have latest packages |
| 22:10.57 | fusibou | nikos probably got hit by the change to modular xorg 7 |
| 22:11.02 | stoned | nikos, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:11.04 | nikos | did my system broke? |
| 22:11.10 | xxyyzz | So I should select /dev/input/mice ? |
| 22:11.22 | stoned | !tell nikos about sid faq |
| 22:11.25 | nikos | fusibou: can it be corrected? |
| 22:11.33 | _rain | xxyyzz: yes |
| 22:11.34 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: probably |
| 22:11.38 | cheal | xxyyzz: which Linux version do you use? |
| 22:11.39 | stoned | nikos, sid is NOT for you |
| 22:11.45 | nikos | yes |
| 22:11.46 | xxyyzz | cheal, Debian |
| 22:11.48 | xxyyzz | Sarge |
| 22:11.53 | xxyyzz | Not sure about numbers |
| 22:11.53 | nikos | but now the change has been made |
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| 22:12.00 | xxyyzz | It's the PowerPC version |
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| 22:12.14 | cheal | xxyyzz: I meant your Linux kernel version, not your Debian version. $ uname -r |
| 22:12.26 | fusibou | nikos you could try using aptitude to see what x-server related packages are causing the problem |
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| 22:12.38 | obscuresoul | there's any plugin to watch movies in the browser? i'm not talking about the mplayer and vlc plugins... |
| 22:12.40 | nikos | fusibou: can you direct me plz? |
| 22:12.43 | xxyyzz | "bash: $: command not found" |
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| 22:12.49 | stoned | nikos, well, all I can say is apt-get -f install and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade until you fix it. The broken packages would have to be removed |
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| 22:12.58 | cheal | xxyyzz: just "uname -r" in a shell |
| 22:13.18 | xxyyzz | I don't have a shell, I only have console |
| 22:13.27 | xxyyzz | It says: ".6.8-powerpc" |
| 22:13.29 | cheal | xxyyzz: in a console |
| 22:13.33 | xxyyzz | The first character is off the screen |
| 22:13.41 | stoned | xxyyzz, depending on your irc client, /exec -o echo `uname -r` |
| 22:13.55 | fusibou | nikos the program is called aptitude; you may need to apt-get install aptitude; aptitude allows you to browse your installed programs and see what is blocked etc. |
| 22:13.55 | xxyyzz | My IRC client is on the working computer... Debian is on the GUI-less computer =/ |
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| 22:14.05 | onetinsoldier | console is a shell... to get first char on screen... adjust your monitor |
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| 22:14.20 | nikos | fusibou: how do i knwo what is blocked? |
| 22:14.24 | bnovc | ok before i custom compile, i want to check -- is it possible to get freenx version 1.5 off aptitude/apt ? |
| 22:14.33 | nikos | stoned: how many time i ahve to tu this command |
| 22:14.33 | cheal | xxyyzz: then $ echo -n aaaa;uname -r |
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| 22:14.38 | nikos | i mdid it 10 times alreasy |
| 22:15.14 | fusibou | bnovc google for debian packages, check out the website |
| 22:15.24 | bnovc | fusibou, i have the package downloaded |
| 22:15.26 | xxyyzz | I get "bash: $: command not found" again |
| 22:15.30 | xxyyzz | And then it says the same thing underneath |
| 22:15.35 | nikos | is there a way to fix this? |
| 22:15.40 | nikos | ot should i wipe it? |
| 22:15.42 | veamos | mm.. I'm trying to remove some packages by apt-get and it gives me a dependency error and I can't do anything! |
| 22:15.45 | xxyyzz | Okay, it works when I remove hte dollar sign $ |
| 22:15.51 | nikos | and go on with windows? |
| 22:15.51 | xxyyzz | It says: aaa2.6.8-powerpc |
| 22:16.00 | veamos | can anybody help me? |
| 22:16.30 | stoned | nikos, public library, book on basic unix skills should do you alright. |
| 22:16.32 | xxyyzz | What should my desired default display manager be. "kdm" or "xdm"? |
| 22:16.32 | fusibou | veamos try using aptitude it will show you dependencies |
| 22:16.50 | nikos | stoned: now my system is fucked up completetely? |
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| 22:16.56 | _rain | xxyyzz: that would be kdm |
| 22:17.00 | fusibou | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.07 | cheal | xxyyzz: which session manager do you plan to use? |
| 22:17.07 | xxyyzz | _rain, thanks :) |
| 22:17.17 | nikos | arisv: paei file to ktestepsa to debian |
| 22:17.33 | nikos | meta to distro upgarde pou mou eipes to mesimeri |
| 22:17.35 | cheal | xxyyzz: then select /dev/input/mice. are you running a Debian stock kernel? |
| 22:17.52 | stoned | nikos, who the fuck told you to use UNSTABLE version of debian mostly used by developers and newbies should NOT be using it despite the fact that sarge has older software, but it doesn't fuck your system up. There are also backports.org for new sarge software. You should have done your research before you tried to use something not meant for you. |
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| 22:18.08 | nikos | arisv: |
| 22:18.16 | xxyyzz | cheal, I have no idea :-( I typed the command you gave "select..." but it's waiting, 'cause the other console is "unpacking" things... |
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| 22:18.26 | cheal | stoned: please watch you language... |
| 22:18.32 | stoned | cheal, sure |
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| 22:18.49 | tarzeau | !se |
| 22:18.49 | dpkg | methinks se is Anslut till #debian.se fr att snacka svenska, skriv /join debian.se |
| 22:18.54 | nikos | stoned: yes you are right |
| 22:18.55 | stoned | cheal, I'll try to keep an eye on my words, but its imipossible to see sound |
| 22:19.01 | cheal | xxyyzz: OK |
| 22:19.01 | nikos | but now its too late |
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| 22:19.07 | stoned | cheal, fuck fuckity fuck, deal with it |
| 22:19.15 | xxyyzz | cheal, it's just waiting there now |
| 22:19.16 | xxyyzz | It's not doing anything |
| 22:19.18 | stoned | nikos, you can try to go to etch |
| 22:19.19 | veamos | I'm trying to remove module-assistant, gcc, nvidia-kernel-common packages.. and it gives me a dependency problem.. and I just want to delete, remove the packages!.. my gosh |
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| 22:19.23 | xxyyzz | It's on a new line and it's flashing an underscore (_) |
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| 22:19.32 | stoned | nikos, it is a bit more stable than unstable |
| 22:19.32 | nikos | stoned: can i go backwards? |
| 22:19.33 | dannythm | the alst version (o,12,15) of k3b may be able to burn mdf images? |
| 22:19.38 | scarynetworkguy | !seen scarynetworkguy |
| 22:19.38 | dpkg | scarynetworkguy is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 22:19.40 | stoned | nikos, you can't go back to sarge, but only to etch |
| 22:19.51 | nikos | why i cant go bacxk to srage? |
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| 22:20.09 | cheal | stoned: etch is IMO *much* more stable than unstable |
| 22:20.20 | cheal | !tell nikos about downgrade |
| 22:20.25 | sussudio_ | cheal: thank you, captain obvious. |
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| 22:20.32 | xxyyzz | When I type: apt-get install kde (on the first console, F1), it says "de is already the newest version" "upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" |
| 22:20.35 | xxyyzz | Does that mean I can run the GUI now? |
| 22:20.35 | stoned | cheal, well you can use any words you want, but the point remains, it is MORE stable, the magnitude I don't know, but it is MORE stable |
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| 22:20.40 | xxyyzz | How would you go about running KDE? |
| 22:20.42 | cheal | nikos: it's not too late. you should reinstall Etch |
| 22:20.51 | jjazz | xxyyzz: try startx |
| 22:20.52 | _rain | xxyyzz: not necessarily |
| 22:20.56 | fusibou | xxyyzz as root do kdm |
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| 22:21.00 | nikos | guys is there a link to downlaod a full iso cd of sid |
| 22:21.06 | dannythm | may the last version on k3b (0.12.15) be able to burn mdf images? |
| 22:21.08 | nikos | and try to reinstall from scratch? |
| 22:21.11 | fusibou | nikos it's call ubuntu ;-) |
| 22:21.22 | stoned | nikos, dude, have you been paying attention |
| 22:21.25 | _rain | xxyyzz: as root, try /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 22:21.33 | stoned | fusibou, joking right now about that is not a good idea |
| 22:21.37 | xxyyzz | I already typed 'kdm' and the thing went blank =/ |
| 22:21.38 | stoned | nikos, don't use ubuntu |
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| 22:21.45 | jjazz | nikos: sid = unstable = out of your league. Stay away from sid. |
| 22:21.46 | nikos | i know stoned |
| 22:21.47 | xxyyzz | I think it's thinking... |
| 22:21.51 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: did you finish the configuring of X? |
| 22:21.56 | xxyyzz | I'm not sure =/ |
| 22:21.58 | nikos | i instalel uybuntu and then migrted to sarge |
| 22:22.00 | fusibou | xxyyzz does ctrl-alt-help? |
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| 22:22.01 | stoned | !d-i nikos |
| 22:22.01 | dpkg | nikos, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 22:22.09 | nikos | and oday i fucked it all up mgrating to sid :( |
| 22:22.09 | fusibou | xxyyzz oops ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 22:22.21 | xxyyzz | Does nothing :( |
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| 22:22.26 | stoned | nikos, reinstall sarge, go through 1 more hour of bullshit, then just stick with sarge and use backports to get new software |
| 22:22.30 | nikos | dpkg: i wan to tery a full iso cd of sid |
| 22:22.34 | xxyyzz | The screen is black... and it's stopped making noises =/ |
| 22:22.35 | onetinsoldier | how about just... alt-f7 |
| 22:22.35 | nikos | from scratch plz |
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| 22:22.47 | xxyyzz | Nothing again, onetinsoldier =/ |
| 22:22.47 | Coweater | nikos: there is no iso, sid changes constantly |
| 22:22.52 | thingfish | nikos: wait a couple of weeks. |
| 22:22.56 | stoned | nikos, or you can modify sources.list, change sid to etch, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade until you can't do it anymore |
| 22:23.05 | thingfish | nikos: you don't want sid right now. |
| 22:23.13 | xxyyzz | How do I get out of this black screen and go back to the other one? |
| 22:23.14 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: k, doesn't surprise me. you need to get X prperly configured |
| 22:23.17 | nikos | sarge is ncie |
| 22:23.20 | fusibou | xxyyzz ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 22:23.21 | nikos | but it has old packages :( |
| 22:23.22 | onetinsoldier | *properly |
| 22:23.23 | _rain | xxyyzz: alt-ctrl-f2 |
| 22:23.25 | nikos | like xhat 2.4.1 |
| 22:23.26 | stoned | sarge = guranteed not to fuck you |
| 22:23.32 | xxyyzz | fusibou, that worked |
| 22:23.34 | nikos | whiel the newest is 2.6.1 |
| 22:23.37 | stoned | nikos, backports.org |
| 22:23.42 | nikos | and so on fot othe rpckage s as well |
| 22:23.43 | thingfish | yeah I love sarge. |
| 22:23.43 | stoned | !tell nikos about simple sid backport |
| 22:23.45 | jjazz | thingfish: What happens in a couple weeks? |
| 22:23.48 | xxyyzz | What should I do? 'startx' ? |
| 22:23.56 | stoned | !tell nikos about backports |
| 22:24.06 | fusibou | xxyyzz you may need, as root, to killall xdm gdm kdm |
| 22:24.15 | onetinsoldier | try it... but i don't think you have x properly configured yet |
| 22:24.22 | xxyyzz | fusibou, done |
| 22:24.28 | thingfish | jjazz: well hopefully locales will be fixed, for one, and also the xorg 6.9-7.0 stuff. |
| 22:24.34 | nikos | ok guys |
| 22:24.47 | nikos | ill reinstall sarge from scratch |
| 22:24.51 | nikos | buit after i do that |
| 22:24.59 | nikos | then what comand shoudl i issue? |
| 22:25.00 | stoned | nikos, may I suggest something |
| 22:25.08 | xxyyzz | fusibou, do I 'startx' now? |
| 22:25.18 | onetinsoldier | sure.. try it |
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| 22:25.30 | nikos | stoned: sure |
| 22:25.32 | xxyyzz | onetinsoldier, it went black again |
| 22:25.46 | onetinsoldier | no messages visible? |
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| 22:25.50 | xxyyzz | Nothing :( |
| 22:25.51 | nikos | after netinstall i dont have enough paclages |
| 22:25.55 | nikos | X are misggn |
| 22:26.02 | viator | is there a graphical tool ton scan for network cards and configure the network that doesnt depend on gnome of kde |
| 22:26.03 | nikos | and othe importnatn stuff as well |
| 22:26.16 | xxyyzz | Should I 'ctrl-alt-f1' again? |
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| 22:26.20 | _rain | xxyyzz: yes |
| 22:26.33 | thingfish | nikos: after it reboots (after base install) it asks you if you want Desktop Environment. Use the spacebar to select that option. |
| 22:26.36 | stoned | nikos, repartition your disk, put /home on a seperate disk, make a 100mb /boot as the first partition. keep a copy of the netinstaller kernel/initrd on your /home. Anytime you need to reinstall, just copy those two files to /boot, modify menu.lst and boot it. <-- if you don't know these things, SID IS NOT FOR YOU! |
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| 22:26.51 | xxyyzz | "arning: font renderer for ".pmf" already rergistered at priority 0" |
| 22:26.53 | xxyyzz | That's what it said. |
| 22:26.57 | xxyyzz | And it's just sitting there. |
| 22:26.59 | xxyyzz | Not doing anything. |
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| 22:27.07 | xxyyzz | Maybe this version of Debian doesn't support a GUI... |
| 22:27.10 | xxyyzz | Maybe I installed the wrong one... |
| 22:27.11 | stoned | lol |
| 22:27.12 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: yeah... onmy system i just use alt-f2 or alt-f3 .unless i'm in x-windows. theni have to go ctrl-alt-f1 ...or ctrl-alt-f2, ect |
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| 22:27.37 | fusibou | xxyyzz did you do an apt-get install xorg previously? |
| 22:27.46 | xxyyzz | Don't think so, fusibou |
| 22:27.48 | stoned | xserver-xorg |
| 22:27.53 | nikos | stoned: i only make 2 partitions residerfs and sawp |
| 22:27.54 | xxyyzz | Should I do that? |
| 22:27.56 | stoned | xorg is not a package or a metal package |
| 22:27.58 | nikos | not home not /boot |
| 22:27.59 | thingfish | maybe you used the etch installer, xxyyzz? |
| 22:28.00 | onetinsoldier | he's using stable.... |
| 22:28.08 | fusibou | ah |
| 22:28.09 | xxyyzz | thingfish, w,hat's etch? |
| 22:28.12 | nikos | swap i mke 2 time smy memoery |
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| 22:28.18 | onetinsoldier | he did install X |
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| 22:28.24 | viator | etch is testing |
| 22:28.26 | thingfish | why do people have these problems. I never have problems with sarge. |
| 22:28.31 | xxyyzz | I didn't do testing, I think |
| 22:28.33 | stoned | nikos, don't use Reiser |
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| 22:28.36 | stoned | ext2 = good |
| 22:28.39 | xxyyzz | is testing unstable? 'Cause I wanted stable |
| 22:28.40 | nikos | stoned: why? |
| 22:28.40 | _PhaSe_ | hi |
| 22:28.46 | Kaku5 | #debian-br |
| 22:28.50 | thingfish | you mean ext3? |
| 22:28.51 | _PhaSe_ | /dev/mapper/volumen-grupo 2.7T 2.6T 0 100% /chroot |
| 22:28.52 | Kaku5 | sorry |
| 22:28.54 | stoned | nikos, Reiser FS can screw up greatly |
| 22:28.54 | xxyyzz | How do I stop it from sitting on the 'arning: font renderer for... priority 0' line? |
| 22:28.55 | nikos | reiserfs i think its very ncie for small files |
| 22:28.55 | viator | unstable isnt even "unstable" |
| 22:28.56 | stoned | thingfish, no I don't |
| 22:28.56 | _PhaSe_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:29.00 | _PhaSe_ | someone know why? |
| 22:29.02 | viator | lol |
| 22:29.02 | cheal | xxyyzz: no |
| 22:29.05 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: no... testing is not unstable |
| 22:29.06 | _rain | xxyyzz: no, testing is closer to stable |
| 22:29.06 | _PhaSe_ | i have tested too some kernels |
| 22:29.08 | cheal | !tell xxyyzz about releases |
| 22:29.09 | thingfish | nikos: /msg dpkg reiserfs |
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| 22:29.15 | nikos | ext3 then? |
| 22:29.23 | stoned | ext2 == allowes you to undelete |
| 22:29.29 | xxyyzz | Okay, so who has an idea of what I should do next to get the GUI working? |
| 22:29.32 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: there's stable, tesing, and then unstable |
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| 22:29.44 | xxyyzz | Would it be easier if one of you guys logs into my computer and does it all? 'Cause you're probably a lot faster than me... |
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| 22:29.52 | thingfish | twice I've used reiserfs, twice I've had catastrophic crashes and loss of data. |
| 22:29.53 | _rain | xxyyzz: try to figure out why it's not working |
| 22:29.53 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: stable = sarge.... testing = etch... unstable = sid |
| 22:29.55 | stoned | xxyyzz, that is NOT a good idea |
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| 22:30.10 | jjazz | xxyyzz: asking strangers to log into your box is a good way to get owned. Don't do it. |
| 22:30.19 | xxyyzz | Sorry :( |
| 22:30.22 | xxyyzz | I have no idea what to do next. |
| 22:30.23 | thingfish | yeah xxyyzz never say stuff like that. |
| 22:30.25 | nikos | now is there soemthing i can do |
| 22:30.27 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Has anyone here used tapioca voip? i have a small problem, it seems like it uses dbus but can't connect to it... |
| 22:30.34 | nikos | to amke x work as i ahve ti now? |
| 22:30.51 | nikos | does someone want to give him root access to do stuff? |
| 22:30.52 | stoned | nikos, have you ever read the debian installation manual? |
| 22:31.00 | nikos | stoned: no |
| 22:31.03 | stoned | nikos, have you ever looked anything about debian up on google, or you just came to irc |
| 22:31.07 | stoned | well FUCK me runnin |
| 22:31.12 | xxyyzz | Should I control+x the current thing? |
| 22:31.13 | clarity_ | how do you reconfigure the network card? |
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| 22:31.26 | _rain | xxyyzz: ctrl-x ? |
| 22:31.26 | hedpe | is devfs supposed to create /dev/tty* ? |
| 22:31.28 | thingfish | stoned, you're crude. |
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| 22:31.37 | xxyyzz | _rain, to stop it doing what it's doing |
| 22:31.46 | xxyyzz | 'cause it's still sitting on the 'arning: font renderer for... priority 0' line? |
| 22:31.47 | stoned | thingfish, man, sorry, but I'm sick of people wanting us to do thier jobs for them |
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| 22:31.53 | cheal | clarity_: possibly using etherconf |
| 22:31.53 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: i don't see anything wrong with asking someone to do that, but it's true that it is a security risk, at least if you have sensitive data on there, which you don't yet. the main problem is you won't learn linux very well if you have other people do it for you. ;-) |
| 22:32.01 | _rain | ctrl-c then maybe |
| 22:32.09 | xxyyzz | That's true, onetinsoldier... |
| 22:32.15 | fusibou | stoned try ignoring people who bug you |
| 22:32.18 | xxyyzz | I do want to learn it, but I need the GUI :( |
| 22:32.26 | xxyyzz | _rain, did that |
| 22:32.31 | thingfish | stoned: yeah I know, but that's part of what it means to hang out in here and be useful. You really have to guard against burnout. But believe me, I know - the repetition gets to you. |
| 22:32.31 | _rain | xxyyzz: common misconseption |
| 22:32.35 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: no you don't |
| 22:32.38 | xxyyzz | _rain, it said: "aiting for X server to shut down" "init: unexpected signal 2" |
| 22:32.49 | clarity_ | stoned: it's cool I'd probbably say the samee thing |
| 22:32.51 | clarity_ | :-) |
| 22:32.57 | _rain | xxyyzz: you don't need the gui, infact, you'll find that sometimes it's less hassle to stick with console |
| 22:32.58 | fusibou | xxyyzz you'll need to look at the logfile for the xserver to see what went wrong |
| 22:33.10 | xxyyzz | fusibou, how would you do that? |
| 22:33.13 | thingfish | hmm, no abrotman. |
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| 22:33.27 | xxyyzz | _rain, *I* need it... |
| 22:33.29 | fusibou | xxyyzz it's in /var/log |
| 22:33.31 | xxyyzz | I'm so not as smart as you guys (yet). |
| 22:33.34 | _rain | xxyyzz: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:33.35 | _rain | or some such, what is the xfree logfile again? |
| 22:33.36 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: the first time i ever installed linux i typed 'help: on the command line.. and went from there. then soon learned the real stuff is in man pages.... man <command> |
| 22:33.40 | thingfish | off at some shrink wrap fetishists' convention, no doubt. |
| 22:33.44 | stoned | thingfish, and folk, I don't mean to be an asshole, neither am I one. |
| 22:33.57 | thingfish | oh no, I didn't mean that. |
| 22:34.08 | thingfish | I didn't mean to imply that, buddy. |
| 22:34.09 | stoned | nikos, please go to debian.org and browse around. Also have a look at the Debian Installation Manual |
| 22:34.16 | xxyyzz | "(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER" |
| 22:34.16 | xxyyzz | And then it goes to a new line |
| 22:34.16 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 22:34.21 | stoned | its cool bro |
| 22:34.29 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: i also did what you have done....got on irc. but i did it IN linux.. with BitchX |
| 22:34.31 | Shadowcat | I find that clean installing to xorg 7 fixes a lot of upgrade problems |
| 22:34.37 | thingfish | I can't even remember what your base problem is, xxyyzz. |
| 22:34.45 | fusibou | xxyyzz you need to check out your config file for X to see if it's configured for your monitor |
| 22:34.48 | jjazz | thingfish: He was trying to get kde up and running |
| 22:34.48 | stoned | !tell nikos about install guide |
| 22:34.54 | xxyyzz | fusibou, how would I do that? |
| 22:34.59 | xxyyzz | It probably isn't.. |
| 22:35.04 | thingfish | oh, well that should be easy. |
| 22:35.10 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: have you got it to where you can see the first character on the screen yet? |
| 22:35.12 | fusibou | does somebody remember the config script name? |
| 22:35.18 | xxyyzz | onetinsoldier, nope |
| 22:35.19 | jjazz | thingfish: But first, x needs to be up and running |
| 22:35.27 | thingfish | apt-get install kde kdm |
| 22:35.40 | jjazz | fusibou: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... is that what you mean? |
| 22:35.40 | stoned | ooh |
| 22:35.40 | xxyyzz | jjazz, finished |
| 22:35.43 | stoned | godo lord |
| 22:35.47 | xxyyzz | "upgraded 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" |
| 22:35.48 | stoned | apt-get install kde-core |
| 22:35.51 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: does your monitor have adjustments? that bring up and OSD adjustment screen? |
| 22:35.52 | fusibou | jjazz yes, for xxyyzz |
| 22:35.52 | thingfish | so then apt-get install x-window-system xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:35.56 | _rain | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 22:35.59 | xxyyzz | stoned, same thing |
| 22:36.10 | jjazz | xxyyzz: Are you on stable? |
| 22:36.19 | xxyyzz | onetinsoldier, nope, it's an iMac 350MHz, the old way I would adjust it was through the Monitors control panel in OS 9.0 (mac) |
| 22:36.20 | thingfish | no, don't advise "-core" for newbies, at least that's my opinion. |
| 22:36.21 | xxyyzz | jjazz, yep |
| 22:36.29 | stoned | xxyyzz, no it isn't, kde is a meta package that will have you download 200mb of archives at least. |
| 22:36.30 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: roger |
| 22:36.49 | thingfish | it's an imac? #debian-ppc or #debianppc |
| 22:36.54 | xxyyzz | stoned, it said: "de-core is already the newest version" |
| 22:37.24 | stoned | xxyyzz, I find it better practive to just install kde-core and then install kdeadmin and then look around packages in kde with kpackage and install whatever else I need for X |
| 22:37.27 | thingfish | I wonder if you can bet in Vegas on how long before Apple releases OSX for general PC hardware. |
| 22:37.33 | hjubal | goodnight -_- |
| 22:37.36 | raf256 | OMG |
| 22:37.37 | raf256 | they found a cure for cancer \o/ |
| 22:37.46 | bztunk | OMG |
| 22:37.49 | jjazz | xxyyzz: What was the last apt-get command you did? |
| 22:38.00 | xxyyzz | jjazz, I think it was "apt-get install kde" |
| 22:38.08 | jjazz | xxyyzz: You can use the up-arrow to look at past commands on the commandline |
| 22:38.14 | thingfish | raf256: does the cure include marijuana in some form or another? |
| 22:38.19 | jjazz | xxyyzz: I want to know the one that included xserver in it |
| 22:38.21 | xxyyzz | it was "kde-kdm", then "kde-core" |
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| 22:38.33 | xxyyzz | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:38.33 | stoned | there is no cure for cancer |
| 22:38.48 | bztunk | there is in civilization III |
| 22:38.48 | thingfish | sometimes there is. |
| 22:38.52 | stoned | in an unorthodox form |
| 22:38.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:39.00 | thingfish | !beer bztunk |
| 22:39.07 | stoned | well what I mean is this, how do you find a cure for life? |
| 22:39.08 | bztunk | thanks :D |
| 22:39.09 | xxyyzz | There is none with 'xserver' in it |
| 22:39.10 | stoned | cancer = life |
| 22:39.15 | xxyyzz | Just a few with 'kdm' and 'kde' |
| 22:39.18 | stoned | you kill it, well thats wrong |
| 22:39.27 | stoned | we all say life is sacred, why kill cancer |
| 22:39.31 | stoned | I will protest this! |
| 22:39.55 | jjazz | xxyyzz: did you ever apt-get install x-window-system or x-window-system-core? |
| 22:39.57 | raf256 | jjazz: http://www.wesh.com/health/9178673/detail.html |
| 22:40.02 | xxyyzz | I did x-window-system |
| 22:40.05 | jjazz | ok |
| 22:40.31 | thingfish | xxyyzz: and you said you have kdm or some other ?dm installed? |
| 22:40.40 | xxyyzz | I think I have kdm installed |
| 22:40.45 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: have you done dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86? |
| 22:40.50 | thingfish | xxyyzz: what kind of vidcard do you have? |
| 22:40.54 | stoned | thingfish, it goes back to consistency within organized belief systems. Utterly full of crap. Life is sacred, who said so? There is no consistency within any of that. <-- don't hate me for I think much too much |
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| 22:41.11 | jjazz | xxyyzz: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:41.19 | thingfish | I think too much too, yet I arrive at different conclusions. |
| 22:41.26 | xxyyzz | jjazz, "is already the newest version" |
| 22:41.37 | onetinsoldier | dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:41.37 | xxyyzz | thething, I'm on a mac, I don't think I have a video card... |
| 22:41.45 | thingfish | perhaps because I go not only by thought and concepts, but by feelings and experiences. |
| 22:41.46 | cheal | stew: do you plan to keep updating Status/Stable each DSA? |
| 22:41.50 | jjazz | xxyyzz: ok. Then do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:42.01 | xxyyzz | Selected the desired X server driver |
| 22:42.22 | xxyyzz | None of them say "macintosh" :( |
| 22:42.30 | jjazz | xxyyzz: What are your options? |
| 22:42.31 | stoned | thingfish, I spot the bullshit, you (this seems to be my honest observation, no offence intended, with all due respect sir) regurgitate what your guidance councelor told you in highschool in the 50s. You were fed bull and you spit it out. (very crude way of putting it, but no malintent here, off topic, I should shut up) |
| 22:42.36 | xxyyzz | ati, chips, fbdev, glint, imstt, mga, nv, s3, s3virge, savage, sis, tdfx, trident, vga |
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| 22:43.02 | bztunk | stoned: wtf can you write this properly |
| 22:43.19 | stoned | I'd rather not |
| 22:43.27 | stoned | I'm on the brink of pissing people off |
| 22:43.33 | stoned | heh, me and my big mouth/fingers/keyboard |
| 22:43.44 | xxyyzz | jjazz, should I just pick the first one? |
| 22:43.49 | thingfish | stoned: funny you should suggest that, because all my life I have made it a point not to pay much attention to what other people tell me. |
| 22:43.55 | jjazz | xxyyzz: one sec, please. |
| 22:43.58 | xxyyzz | k |
| 22:44.13 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: i don't know if you'll have this comand yet... but try lspci |
| 22:44.25 | xxyyzz | It worked |
| 22:44.39 | _rain | xxyyzz: define "worked" |
| 22:44.42 | stoned | thingfish, thats the way one should always be anyway |
| 22:44.49 | thingfish | I mean, I can't be taught anything without decontructing it. |
| 22:45.00 | thingfish | *deconstructing |
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| 22:45.04 | stoned | thingfish, my conclusions are based on assumptions and pre suppositions, and mostly, I don't know you |
| 22:45.15 | bnovc | does anyone know a location for the freenx 1.5 ebian pkg? |
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| 22:45.38 | stoned | thingfish, I am an idiot, and I fully admit it, I apologize |
| 22:45.48 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: lspci worked? did it give you any clue as to what video card you have? |
| 22:46.04 | thingfish | oh listen, I know all about idiocy, stoned my friend ;) |
| 22:46.05 | xxyyzz | I will put it in pastebin |
| 22:46.10 | jjazz | bnovc: Try seveas's ubuntu repo. Should work fine. Not sure about the version, though. |
| 22:46.12 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 22:46.19 | stoned | heh |
| 22:46.28 | bnovc | jjazz, have a source.list line for that one? |
| 22:46.29 | stoned | thingfish, well I'm glad I've a friend now! |
| 22:46.39 | jjazz | bnovc: google is your friend. sorry |
| 22:46.41 | xxyyzz | http://pastebin.com/727359 <- I don' think it says anything about the video card |
| 22:46.45 | xxyyzz | I don't think I have a video card... |
| 22:46.49 | stoned | lol |
| 22:46.52 | streuner | jjazz: do you know bobbitt? |
| 22:46.52 | xxyyzz | 'Cause the iMac is all in one... |
| 22:46.52 | stoned | priceless |
| 22:46.57 | xxyyzz | The screen and speakers and everything is built in |
| 22:46.59 | _rain | xxyyzz: i'm pretty sure you do |
| 22:47.13 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: you have an ATI Rage 128 |
| 22:47.24 | jjazz | streuner: nope, sorry |
| 22:47.27 | xxyyzz | So pick 'ati' as my option? |
| 22:47.28 | stoned | xxyyzz, you're on an imac, cool, I've got a powerbook running sarge since it was in testing |
| 22:47.33 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 22:47.33 | stoned | I've never updated |
| 22:47.33 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 22:47.48 | jjazz | xxyyzz: I have no clue what video card you should choose. I am clueless in the land of macs. Sorry. |
| 22:47.50 | Stephen_D | hello |
| 22:47.51 | xxyyzz | stoned, I can't get sarge to run yet, but when I have the GUI I'm sure I will like it :) |
| 22:47.55 | jjazz | xxyyzz: Maybe google can help you. |
| 22:47.55 | streuner | same goes with different distros |
| 22:48.08 | Stephen_D | i got a kestion: what text editor is (one of) the best |
| 22:48.16 | stoned | xxyyzz, the video drivers will give you shit? How did you boot it with debian though? |
| 22:48.16 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: you listd options earlier... choose ati |
| 22:48.24 | streuner | !start a editor war |
| 22:48.28 | streuner | !start an editor war |
| 22:48.28 | dpkg | xemacs blows |
| 22:48.37 | xxyyzz | stoned, I put in a CD, and held down: APPLE+OPTION+SHIFT+DELETE |
| 22:48.39 | stoned | xxyyzz, wait nevermind, I've never used an imac or a Mac os greater than 9 on powerbooks |
| 22:48.47 | bnovc | jjazz, breezy or dapper? |
| 22:48.55 | xxyyzz | It says: Please enter the video card's bus identifier |
| 22:48.59 | fourat | what dos this affect when passed to the kernel parameters at boot : noapic acpi=off |
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| 22:49.08 | stoned | ahh, for os8/9 and below, you have to hack open firmware to make it boot with anything but a mac cd |
| 22:49.16 | jjazz | bnovc: Whichever has the version you want. Shouldn't matter. The freenx packages don't depend on much except other nx packages, IIRC. |
| 22:49.19 | stoned | those OS will not boot anything but mac themselves |
| 22:49.21 | streuner | fourat: heh, it disable ACPI? |
| 22:49.21 | _rain | xxyyzz: leave it blank |
| 22:49.34 | Stephen_D | what text editor is (one of) the best |
| 22:49.35 | xxyyzz | Enter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card. |
| 22:49.36 | streuner | fourat: and APIC? |
| 22:49.42 | _rain | xxyyzz: leave it blank too |
| 22:49.42 | stoned | xxyyzz, just hit enter |
| 22:49.45 | fourat | streuner, it's clear, but what is ACPI and APIC ? |
| 22:49.55 | xxyyzz | Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 22:49.56 | bnovc | jjazz, does apt-get automatically find the highest version out of the mirrors in source.list |
| 22:49.57 | thingfish | xxyyzz: really you should think about switching over to #debian-ppc or #debianppc. |
| 22:50.00 | stoned | xxyyzz, no |
| 22:50.08 | xxyyzz | I selected "no" |
| 22:50.16 | xxyyzz | Please select the XKB rule set to use. |
| 22:50.20 | stoned | just enter |
| 22:50.20 | xxyyzz | It has "xfree86" already typed... |
| 22:50.27 | streuner | fourat: ACPI is some strange engergie stuff, and APIC is the one which confuse your box (IRQ) |
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| 22:50.33 | xxyyzz | Please select your keyboard model "macintosh" is typed |
| 22:50.35 | stoned | if you're not sure of something, just enter, debian usually knows what the best option is |
| 22:50.38 | stoned | for newbs |
| 22:50.44 | onetinsoldier | hit enter then |
| 22:50.44 | jjazz | bnovc: Yes, it should. I'm not sure I'd leave seveas in my apt sources. You'll pull in other packages that might not play so well with your debian install. Maybe you should just download the .debs and use dpkg to install them. |
| 22:50.49 | streuner | fourat: /msgdpkg ACPI |
| 22:50.52 | streuner | fourat: /msg dpkg ACPI |
| 22:50.54 | xxyyzz | Okay keyboard layout, I selected "us" |
| 22:50.58 | onetinsoldier | yep |
| 22:51.01 | onetinsoldier | us |
| 22:51.03 | xxyyzz | "Please enter your keyboard variant" <- I will leave that blank too |
| 22:51.09 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 22:51.11 | _rain | xxyyzz: righto |
| 22:51.15 | stoned | lol |
| 22:51.18 | xxyyzz | "Please select your keyboard options" <- blank again? |
| 22:51.21 | stoned | yes |
| 22:51.22 | xxyyzz | (I am seeing a trend...) |
| 22:51.33 | stoned | xxyyzz, have you been paying attention to what I said |
| 22:51.35 | xxyyzz | "Please choose your mouse port", last time this happened we chose "/dev/input/mice" |
| 22:51.37 | _rain | xxyyzz: learns |
| 22:51.39 | stoned | <stoned> if you're not sure of something, just enter, debian usually knows what the best option is |
| 22:51.48 | streuner | fourat: you usually don't need APIC, or you have a high-end box, and ACPI for laptops... |
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| 22:51.57 | xxyyzz | Should I pick /dev/input/mice again? |
| 22:52.02 | onetinsoldier | yep |
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| 22:52.10 | xxyyzz | Emulate 2 button mouse? |
| 22:52.17 | stoned | you have to |
| 22:52.20 | onetinsoldier | i think so.. for a mac |
| 22:52.21 | xxyyzz | My mouse only has one button... |
| 22:52.30 | onetinsoldier | k.. then 2 button emu |
| 22:52.34 | bnovc | jjazz, all the mirror urls take me to webpages not download lists? |
| 22:52.40 | stoned | you can buy a 2+ button mouse for mac |
| 22:52.50 | xxyyzz | "Enable scroll events from mouse wheel?" (I don't have a mouse wheel) |
| 22:52.58 | xxyyzz | "Enabling this option is harmelss if your mouse has no scroll wheel" |
| 22:53.05 | onetinsoldier | say no |
| 22:53.07 | stoned | right now it will turn your shift or ctrl key + click into right click |
| 22:53.11 | stoned | or some other variation |
| 22:53.25 | xxyyzz | Enter an identifier for your monitor "Generic Monitor" <- Enter? |
| 22:53.30 | onetinsoldier | yep |
| 22:53.31 | _rain | yep |
| 22:53.32 | jjazz | bnovc: Try using wget to grab this: http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/pool/dapper-seveas/freenx/freenx_0.4.4+0.4.5-4ubuntu1_all.deb |
| 22:53.37 | xxyyzz | Is your monitor an LCD device? |
| 22:53.44 | xxyyzz | (It's an iMac, and it's blue) |
| 22:53.47 | stoned | man c'mon, you should know that |
| 22:53.50 | stoned | lol |
| 22:53.51 | xxyyzz | No? |
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| 22:53.59 | onetinsoldier | is it a laptop? |
| 22:54.04 | bnovc | jjazz, thanks :) |
| 22:54.04 | xxyyzz | This computer is, the Debian one isn't |
| 22:54.15 | onetinsoldier | then no... it's not an lcd |
| 22:54.15 | jjazz | xxyyzz: You have a crt, not an lcd. |
| 22:54.18 | jjazz | bnovc: np |
| 22:54.19 | bnovc | says my nxagent is outdated now so i guess i have to find a deb for that too |
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| 22:54.30 | xxyyzz | "Please choose a method for selecting your monitor characteristics" |
| 22:54.36 | jjazz | bnovc: If it complains about other packages, go to http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/dists/dapper-seveas/freenx/ and look for the .debs |
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| 22:54.45 | onetinsoldier | This is the tricky part! |
| 22:54.46 | bnovc | k |
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| 22:55.19 | xxyyzz | "Simple"? |
| 22:55.20 | onetinsoldier | pick 'advanced' |
| 22:55.21 | jjazz | yes |
| 22:55.26 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 22:55.26 | xxyyzz | Advanced? |
| 22:55.29 | xxyyzz | Are you sure? |
| 22:55.36 | jjazz | onetinsoldier: you're a masochist, aren't you? :P |
| 22:55.43 | onetinsoldier | pretty sure.. you can try simple if you want |
| 22:55.47 | k-god | Is anyone aware of a Debian userland port to OS X? |
| 22:55.54 | onetinsoldier | you can always redo this whole thing over and over |
| 22:55.54 | xxyyzz | Let's do Simple, 'cause I'm more of a Simple person... |
| 22:56.07 | xxyyzz | CRAP, I accidently clicked Medium, how do I go back? |
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| 22:56.16 | onetinsoldier | just go with medium |
| 22:56.18 | jjazz | medium is a good compromise, just go with it |
| 22:56.24 | onetinsoldier | medium IS pretty simple |
| 22:56.26 | xxyyzz | k |
| 22:56.43 | xxyyzz | "Please select your monitor's best video mode." 1024x768 ? |
| 22:56.47 | bnovc | its funny how difficult it is just to install this |
| 22:56.48 | xxyyzz | @ 60Hz |
| 22:56.50 | bnovc | i've been trying for 2 hours |
| 22:57.15 | xxyyzz | bnovc, Debian is hard... but I'm sure we'll get used to it |
| 22:57.31 | xxyyzz | Guys should I pick 640x480 to be safe? |
| 22:57.31 | bnovc | there is no reason why it should be hard though, if it just let me install what i wanted without complaining |
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| 22:57.46 | onetinsoldier | once you get a gui going then it's only as hard as you want it to be |
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| 22:58.04 | _rain | xxyyzz: no need |
| 22:58.13 | bnovc | i can not remove nxclient |
| 22:58.14 | jjazz | xxyyzz: No. Pick something sane in a normal resolution. |
| 22:58.14 | xxyyzz | _rain, so I should stick to 1024x768 ? |
| 22:58.25 | _rain | xxyyzz: sure |
| 22:58.30 | onetinsoldier | what did you run OS X 9 at? |
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| 22:58.37 | xxyyzz | 1024x768 |
| 22:58.39 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 22:58.46 | xxyyzz | "Select the video modes you would like the X server to use." just leave it? |
| 22:58.47 | bnovc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.51 | bnovc | see this is what i'm talking about |
| 22:58.55 | onetinsoldier | yeah... just leaveit |
| 22:58.55 | bnovc | how does it fucking conflict? |
| 22:59.00 | bnovc | i just want to install one god damn program |
| 22:59.08 | xxyyzz | "Select your desired default colour depth in bits"? 24 ? |
| 22:59.12 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 22:59.29 | onetinsoldier | you're almost done now |
| 22:59.29 | xxyyzz | Select the XFree86 server modules that should be loaded by default. |
| 22:59.31 | _ToNhO_ | algum biologo ,quimico ou fisico aqui? |
| 22:59.38 | _ToNhO_ | sorry |
| 22:59.40 | xxyyzz | They're all selected except the last one, leave it again? |
| 22:59.42 | onetinsoldier | go with defaults for now |
| 22:59.55 | xxyyzz | Write default Files section to configuration file? |
| 22:59.59 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 23:00.08 | xxyyzz | Write default DRI section to configuration file? |
| 23:00.12 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 23:00.16 | bnovc | seems like its just impossible to install freenx 1.5 in debian |
| 23:00.17 | xxyyzz | It finished |
| 23:00.21 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 23:00.23 | bnovc | it just likes taking me in loops |
| 23:00.26 | onetinsoldier | now i say ... good luck! |
| 23:00.35 | onetinsoldier | try a startx |
| 23:00.40 | bnovc | i like how this required less than 30 seconds of work in freebsd :\ |
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| 23:01.09 | xxyyzz | "fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining." |
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| 23:01.46 | cureless | bnovc: if the packages conflict you can just compile whatever you want by source. |
| 23:01.47 | jjazz | bnovc: there's a freenx mailing list that is quite helpful |
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| 23:02.03 | onetinsoldier | bah.... that sux. i'll bet it can be fixed, but i am not as knowlegeable as i used to be like 4 years ago |
| 23:02.05 | phaedrus_ | hey hey |
| 23:02.07 | phaedrus_ | this is all going really well |
| 23:02.12 | phaedrus_ | how can i make an app start when m,y system boots up? |
| 23:02.15 | bnovc | why should i have to go to a mailing list and spend another 8 hours at least trying to get this to work though! debian is so fucking frustrating |
| 23:02.15 | xxyyzz | :( |
| 23:02.19 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: have a look at the log file..... |
| 23:02.24 | xxyyzz | So'k, maybe Debian just isn't for me. |
| 23:02.25 | stoned | amaroK: Gorgasm - Masticate To Dominate - Anal Skewer - genre/rating Death Metal - 74/0 |
| 23:02.28 | jjazz | bnovc: freenx isn't completely free |
| 23:02.28 | stoned | oh |
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| 23:02.32 | stoned | that wtf |
| 23:02.34 | bnovc | jjazz, how so? |
| 23:02.43 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: don't give up yet.. someone will be able to get it going for you |
| 23:02.44 | stoned | thats not supposed to fucking public |
| 23:02.50 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: have a look at the log file..... |
| 23:02.54 | Phat32 | I am trying to get Azureus working but I am getting a NAT error. I know my router is not the problem. Does anyone know of a good tool to manage iptables in debian? I'm assuming that is what debian uses. I tried using firestarter but the gui got a gtk error. I need some help... |
| 23:03.03 | stoned | this thing sucks man |
| 23:03.04 | xxyyzz | I have to go to work |
| 23:03.12 | xxyyzz | I will be back at 4:15pm |
| 23:03.14 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: ok... bummer! |
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| 23:03.17 | xxyyzz | Thank you guys so muchf or helping me anyway! |
| 23:03.20 | xxyyzz | You guys are great! |
| 23:03.23 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
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| 23:03.31 | xxyyzz | (Back in 5ish hours) |
| 23:03.33 | bnovc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.37 | bnovc | how can that even happen? |
| 23:03.37 | jjazz | bnovc: It relies on some non-free libraries put out by nomachines. And AFAIK, there are no non-free clients. At least, that was the state of play 6 months ago. It might have changed. |
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| 23:03.44 | onetinsoldier | xxyyzz: see ya later |
| 23:03.57 | bnovc | jjazz, the no machine ones are gpl |
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| 23:04.21 | jjazz | bnovc: They gpl'd it? Cool. I wasn't aware of that. It's been a while since I got dirty with freenx. |
| 23:04.52 | cureless | bnovc: this is the first thing on google: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/03/msg00149.html are you trying that? |
| 23:05.11 | bnovc | version 1.4 is too ol |
| 23:05.13 | bnovc | *ol |
| 23:05.16 | bnovc | erm |
| 23:05.18 | bnovc | old |
| 23:05.29 | bnovc | ill get this going after a few more hours i'm sure |
| 23:05.34 | jjazz | bnovc: If the ubuntu .deb isn't a clean install, I'd abandon it. It's an indication that there's some differences going on. |
| 23:06.03 | Phat32 | Should I just remove iptables? |
| 23:06.16 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 23:06.19 | cureless | bnovc: you're using an ubuntu .deb? |
| 23:06.24 | bnovc | yea |
| 23:06.25 | jjazz | bnovc: BTW, I'm using version 0.4 with no problems. What specific features of 1.5 are you needing that aren't in older versions. |
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| 23:06.35 | bnovc | jjazz, resume/termina |
| 23:06.38 | bnovc | *terminate |
| 23:06.44 | jjazz | bnovc: Ah, yes. That doesn't work in my version. |
| 23:06.58 | bnovc | http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/dists/dapper-seveas/freenx/ |
| 23:07.01 | jjazz | (or at least, it doesn't work well) |
| 23:07.03 | bnovc | which one does nxsetup though? |
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| 23:08.00 | cureless | bnovc: are you installing the client or server? |
| 23:08.06 | bnovc | you have to install both |
| 23:08.19 | Phat32 | wtf I just removed iptables and Azureus is still getting a NAT error!!! |
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| 23:08.49 | onetinsoldier | hi cureless, how's it going? |
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| 23:09.49 | cureless | onetinsoldier: pretty good |
| 23:09.58 | onetinsoldier | cool :-) |
| 23:09.59 | bnovc | i'm getting closer |
| 23:10.04 | bnovc | i got nxserver running but i can't connect |
| 23:10.13 | Phat32 | CAn anyone explain my NAT error? |
| 23:10.16 | Phat32 | can* |
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| 23:10.34 | mox | hi all |
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| 23:10.54 | mox | just wanted to say i got burned using rm -rf... |
| 23:10.57 | onetinsoldier | wb abrotman |
| 23:11.04 | bnovc | mox alias it then |
| 23:11.07 | mox | lost all my mail...settings.... |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:11.32 | onetinsoldier | :) |
| 23:11.49 | mox | i set up xfce pretty fast...but my mail is lost forever... |
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| 23:12.04 | onetinsoldier | i need to get a firewall going.. i've been running without one. :-/ |
| 23:12.18 | Phat32 | my firewall is screwed up |
| 23:12.20 | mox | was just thinking about making a backup when i was in the train today |
| 23:12.24 | mox | ok, now |
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| 23:12.47 | nse | my graphic card is VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] which driver in xorg i should be using. savage is not working for me, it is dropping many many frames in totem. what can i try now? |
| 23:12.51 | mox | anybody have an idea how to make a simple backup of a mail folder |
| 23:13.00 | bnovc | copy it |
| 23:13.03 | cureless | mox: cp |
| 23:13.17 | mox | automatic..cron script |
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| 23:13.22 | jjazz | mox: man cron and man rsync |
| 23:13.31 | mox | on a partition that is not normally mounted |
| 23:13.35 | bnovc | /usr/bin/expect: error while loading shared libraries: libexpect5.43.so: cannot open shared object |
| 23:13.40 | bnovc | i'm getting closer i guess |
| 23:13.42 | jjazz | mox: script it |
| 23:13.44 | mox | jep i know that |
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| 23:13.54 | bnovc | jjazz, any ideas where i might get libexpect? no google results for it |
| 23:14.07 | bnovc | nvm i spelled it wrong |
| 23:14.08 | Phat32 | Can anyone help me? |
| 23:14.20 | mox | tried to...i mount the partition, make a fast cp and then want to unmount...always device busy |
| 23:14.22 | bnovc | libexpect-perl == ilbexpect? |
| 23:14.30 | Phat32 | Can anyone see me? |
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| 23:14.35 | cureless | Phat32: no |
| 23:14.37 | jjazz | bnovc: apt-file search libexpect |
| 23:14.38 | mox | don't want to kill the process...that is unclean:) |
| 23:14.45 | Phat32 | sweet... |
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| 23:15.07 | onetinsoldier | bnovc: i think it's just called 'expect' |
| 23:15.12 | onetinsoldier | not sure tho |
| 23:15.15 | bnovc | oh ok |
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| 23:16.07 | mox | ok, i figured it out..i think |
| 23:16.19 | bnovc | jjazz, i dont have apt-file |
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| 23:16.40 | jjazz | bnovc: apt-get install apt-file |
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| 23:16.45 | jjazz | it's handy |
| 23:16.46 | mox | if i make a script that mounts a parition, i can't unmount...get device busy...because? |
| 23:16.48 | bnovc | that tries to install ssh |
| 23:16.48 | onetinsoldier | bnovc: so get it... apt-get install apt-file |
| 23:16.51 | jjazz | or packages.debian.org |
| 23:16.53 | bnovc | i tried that already :P |
| 23:16.56 | onetinsoldier | doh |
| 23:16.59 | mox | my script is using the partition:) |
| 23:17.13 | mox | anybody an idea how to do this? |
| 23:17.40 | jjazz | mox: Because your script is busy in that partition, I'd guess. |
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| 23:18.29 | maher | mox: lsof / fuser can tell you exactly what's using the partition |
| 23:18.33 | mox | jep, i figured that out:) |
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| 23:18.53 | mox | my script is using the partition, he mounted it and is blocking the unmount |
| 23:18.55 | bnovc | if i try 'aptitude install expect' it tries to REMOVE packages and not install any |
| 23:19.13 | jjazz | bnovc: what about apt-get install expect-dev? |
| 23:19.17 | bnovc | thats the kind of stuff about debian that really frustrates me |
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| 23:19.21 | bnovc | its a circular loop with all this |
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| 23:19.38 | abrotman | it's called 'unstable' for a reason |
| 23:19.44 | jjazz | bnovc: Sounds frustrating. I never have such problems. |
| 23:19.44 | abrotman | maybe you should have tried 'testing' first |
| 23:19.47 | maher | bnovc: if you have circular loops use interactive aptitude to fix them |
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| 23:20.05 | cureless | abrotman: he's using ubuntu .debs. |
| 23:20.08 | maher | bnovc: oh - if you're on unstable this sort of thing happens all the time |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | cureless: so why the fuck is anyone in here helping him? |
| 23:20.51 | cureless | dunno. |
| 23:20.53 | bnovc | jjazz, closer :) it doesnt complain about that library but it just stays at 'authentication complete' |
| 23:21.09 | bnovc | abrotman, i was told in here to go to unstable or i wouldnt have done so :\ |
| 23:21.10 | abrotman | if he's using ubuntu he should be in #ubuntu |
| 23:21.19 | simonrvn | people should just direct him to #ubuntu and STFU |
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| 23:21.21 | abrotman | bnovc: whoever told you that is a tard |
| 23:21.25 | cureless | bnovc: are you not using ubuntu debs? |
| 23:21.27 | jjazz | abrotman: He's on sid. He's just using the seveas freenx package |
| 23:21.33 | bnovc | abrotman, i cant find any .deb files for debian and jjazz suggested the ubuntu ones |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | for freenx? |
| 23:21.41 | abrotman | !freenx |
| 23:21.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 23:21.42 | jjazz | yes |
| 23:21.43 | simonrvn | bad idea |
| 23:21.43 | bnovc | yes |
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| 23:21.46 | abrotman | that was hard |
| 23:21.54 | jjazz | abrotman: He wants bleeding edge |
| 23:21.59 | abrotman | so use gentoo ? |
| 23:22.01 | bnovc | abrotman, You don't have permission to access /~anuradha/nx/ on this server. |
| 23:22.22 | simonrvn | debian sid is more up to date than gentoo ... |
| 23:22.29 | simonrvn | then go fly a kite ;) |
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| 23:23.07 | cureless | simonrvn: the advantage is the on-the-fly-resolve-this-dep-by-compiling-the-whole-system-again feature we lack. (or at least the 1 line command-line version of it). |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=freenx&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 23:23.22 | simonrvn | that's not a feature |
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| 23:23.43 | cureless | simonrvn: maybe not to us, but who are we to judge.... |
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| 23:23.48 | cureless | ok ok, so it sucks. |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | first hit has freenx packages |
| 23:24.02 | bnovc | abrotman, i want version 1.5 though |
| 23:24.10 | bnovc | earlier versions dont support resume/terminate |
| 23:24.15 | cureless | abrotman: we've tried, but gave up. |
| 23:24.22 | simonrvn | so go get the fricking source and make some .debs from them |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | use the /debian from the src package |
| 23:24.32 | bnovc | simonrvn, i have the debs and i have it installed |
| 23:24.33 | simonrvn | problem solved |
| 23:24.40 | bnovc | http://rafb.net/paste/results/je6XvH16.html |
| 23:24.42 | bnovc | this is what i'm getting |
| 23:24.58 | abrotman | so ask #freenx? |
| 23:25.03 | abrotman | not a debian problem? |
| 23:25.07 | bnovc | #freenx is empty :P |
| 23:25.16 | abrotman | it's #nx i guess |
| 23:25.16 | simonrvn | NMP |
| 23:25.18 | bnovc | and #nx is almost always idle |
| 23:25.24 | jjazz | bnovc: do you have nxagent installed? |
| 23:25.30 | bnovc | yep |
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| 23:25.39 | abrotman | tough? .. it's not in debian |
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| 23:25.52 | bnovc | abrotman, ok, you dont need to help, i understand if you dont want to |
| 23:26.25 | simonrvn | @tell bnovc -about simple sid backport |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | bnovc: you don't understand .. it's OT in #debian |
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| 23:28.36 | jjazz | bnovc: Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. If it's not going clean, don't force it. Grab the source and go from there. |
| 23:28.37 | bnovc | i think its a problem with KDE |
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| 23:29.35 | jjazz | bnovc: I'm still on version 0.4, and I'm not using unstable. I haven't delved into the intricacies of freenx in a while. |
| 23:30.19 | drasko | hi all. I am planing to reinstall windoze, but it will overwrite MBR, and so Grub. What to do to save Grub, so I can access Debian afterwards? |
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| 23:30.43 | sid | drasko: Don't install windows? |
| 23:31.02 | drasko | sid, uh-oh... I must... |
| 23:31.04 | abrotman | drasko: you can't do anything .. you'll need a liveCD or rescue disk or grub floppy to get back into debian and fix it after windows is installed |
| 23:31.13 | sid | drasko: Or after windows is done..pop in a knoppix live cd, mount /dev/hda1 /tmp; cd /tmp; chroot /tmp; grub-install; update-grub; reboot; |
| 23:31.43 | mox | drasko: ne instaliraj windowz, a grub mozes reinstalirati, conf je sacuvan u /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:31.49 | mox | sorry guys:) |
| 23:31.54 | beardy | drasko: Boot with an install cd or livecd/floppy, and reinstall grub after you have let windows destroy your MBR. |
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| 23:33.20 | bnovc | !xserver |
| 23:33.20 | drasko | beardy, Can I boot with install cd? Won't it reinstall Debian? |
| 23:33.32 | bnovc | is there some trigger like that that says which package to use to install x server |
| 23:33.41 | bnovc | the upgrade to unstable deleted mine |
| 23:33.50 | sid | bnovc: lol |
| 23:33.55 | sid | !tell bnovc about unstable |
| 23:34.00 | bnovc | i know about unstable |
| 23:34.03 | bnovc | i'd like to know about x server |
| 23:34.06 | sid | obviously not bnovc |
| 23:34.07 | drasko | mox, how can I reinstall grub, if I can not boot in Linux? |
| 23:34.16 | bnovc | sid, k |
| 23:34.17 | sid | bnovc: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xorg; |
| 23:34.24 | bnovc | thanks |
| 23:34.31 | sid | bnovc: It's clear you know about unstable. |
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| 23:34.43 | bnovc | sid, i know now, i didnt when i went to it |
| 23:34.49 | drasko | sid, can I boot with knoppix, and use menu.lst that is currently in my Debian? |
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| 23:35.01 | bnovc | ok everyone thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | bnovc: x-window-system |
| 23:35.35 | sid | drasko: no, there is no need to touch menu.lst |
| 23:35.39 | wut | i keep getting errors "no screens found" when i try to startx |
| 23:35.48 | drasko | sid, also -- what is chroot really for and is it necessary? |
| 23:35.49 | abrotman | wut: look farther up in the error log |
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| 23:35.54 | dvs | wut: dont do it as root |
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| 23:36.16 | wut | i'm using it as a user |
| 23:36.25 | rodrigo | hi! has anyone configured properly the unichrome driver for via chipsets? |
| 23:36.31 | wut | it says no symbols found |
| 23:36.50 | sid | drasko: That will allow you to type commands as if you were booted into your debian system. |
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| 23:37.00 | drasko | sid, also, what "update grub" stands for? Is it necessary after each grub installation? |
| 23:37.06 | sid | drasko: And you're just going to reinstall grub, and update grub(this fixes menu.lst) |
| 23:37.06 | mox | chroot is used to change root od your current system |
| 23:37.09 | wut | in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcorexx.xx |
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| 23:37.21 | mox | when you chroot in some dir |
| 23:37.21 | drasko | sid, thank you! |
| 23:37.22 | sid | drasko: Just do it...lol |
| 23:37.59 | wut | i used aptitude to install x though |
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| 23:38.04 | drasko | sid, but, can I make now grub cd, since now I am in my Debian system? |
| 23:38.15 | wut | but xf86cfg brings up wmaker |
| 23:38.31 | sid | drasko: no matter what you do drasko ... after you install windows it will destroy your mbr |
| 23:38.47 | sid | drasko: complain to microsoft...write them a hate letter. |
| 23:38.48 | wut | you have to do windows first |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | don't use xf86cfg |
| 23:39.11 | beardy | drasko: Don't you have a livecd or an install cd? |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | drasko: i already told you what you needed |
| 23:39.16 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 23:39.16 | dpkg | i guess grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 23:39.21 | drasko | sid, but can now make grub floppy, tha what i ment, so I can later just insert that floppy and not knoppix? |
| 23:39.27 | wut | abrotman: what should i use? |
| 23:39.32 | abrotman | !drxx wut |
| 23:39.32 | dpkg | wut: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:40.00 | wut | !xmd5 wut |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | !tell wut about xmd6 |
| 23:40.08 | abrotman | !tell wut about xmd5 |
| 23:40.16 | abrotman | one more .. i'd have been gone :) |
| 23:40.35 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 23:40.39 | Shadowcat | XOrg 7 is buggy |
| 23:40.46 | Shadowcat | half the font paths point to the old font dir |
| 23:40.50 | Shadowcat | the other half to the new one |
| 23:40.54 | Shadowcat | make up your minds! |
| 23:41.03 | simonrvn | so stop whining and fix the fucking fontpaths |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | Shadowcat: /topic |
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| 23:41.19 | simonrvn | !be an editor barbie |
| 23:41.19 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 23:41.22 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: oh nothing wrong with the paths, everything works |
| 23:41.28 | drasko | abrotman, what do you mean? To download grub floppy from net? But does not it depends on a systems I have installed? |
| 23:41.34 | Shadowcat | but I just took a look in the xorg.conf and noticed it |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | drasko: you could try it before you install windows |
| 23:42.01 | sid | haha, simonrvn that factoid is hilarious |
| 23:42.07 | simonrvn | i have paths for both old and new. simple reason that not all the font packages have caught up yet. this isn't the end of the world |
| 23:42.07 | drasko | abrotman, cool, thanks |
| 23:42.21 | Shadowcat | you're the source of everyone's problems |
| 23:42.22 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 23:42.31 | sid | !tell Shadowcat about sid |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | pretty stupid to use that nick anyways |
| 23:42.40 | drasko | abrotman, but is not there a way or command to make my own grub floppy from my existing system? |
| 23:42.41 | simonrvn | !tell sid about unstable |
| 23:42.43 | kspath | !tell Shadowcat about unstable |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | drasko: ask #grub . i think there is |
| 23:42.54 | Shadowcat | !beat kspath |
| 23:42.55 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 23:42.59 | abrotman | like .. grub-floppy or something |
| 23:43.02 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:43.08 | kspath | !poop |
| 23:43.18 | simonrvn | ok, i gtg. see you |
| 23:43.20 | mage | !spam everyone about unstable |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | bye simonrvn |
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| 23:43.43 | Shadowcat | nooo don't leave us here with abrotman |
| 23:43.57 | abrotman | i suck |
| 23:44.07 | abrotman | actually .. i should go make my dinner :) |
| 23:44.08 | kspath | abrotman: ? |
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| 23:44.42 | Amir17 | excuse my stupidity, I`d like 2 know about wich are the best software to build a webserver, i mean: i need a more or less a poor data base `cause the weblog will only host some pictures and info from a Company that pretends to sell properties and houses... GUYS: WHAT DO YOU RECOMEND ME??? |
| 23:44.46 | beardy | abrotman: swallow, and you don't have to |
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| 23:45.23 | Amir17 | any comment or suggestion about what software i should use?? |
| 23:45.31 | kspath | Amir17: It is a BIG secret. Debian and Apache. Keep it quiet else everyone will do it also.. |
| 23:45.34 | mox | amir17= |
| 23:45.56 | mox | amir17:listen to kspath |
| 23:46.53 | Amir17 | kspath ok, but this is my first time, i mean i have only used linux with educational purposses, so the question would be... what is the software that i need to have |
| 23:47.04 | Amir17 | which are the best options??? |
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| 23:47.16 | Ticondrius | Hello |
| 23:47.19 | mage | apache isn't software? |
| 23:47.27 | Ticondrius | apache is software |
| 23:47.32 | Amir17 | sure |
| 23:47.46 | Amir17 | does PHPNUKE still work? |
| 23:47.53 | Amir17 | i overheard it does |
| 23:48.20 | Ticondrius | pardon, but why do you want to use nuke? |
| 23:48.21 | mage | just install apache and php, and mysql. the site for phpnuke should tell you exactly what software you need |
| 23:48.24 | rodrigo | Excuse me again, has anyone compiled the unichrome driver for via chipsets? |
| 23:48.51 | rodrigo | I read the few docs, but none says why it didn't compile |
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| 23:49.22 | Ticondrius | Just compile it yourself..pretty easy to do that for src packages..or are you saying the compile fails? |
| 23:49.27 | Amir17 | Ticondrius i started asking about wich software do u recommend me, so as to start building my websever |
| 23:49.28 | rodrigo | debian standar kpkg 2.6.16 doesn't even reconize it |
| 23:49.40 | Ticondrius | ah.. |
| 23:49.52 | Ticondrius | Amir: lighttpd with fastcgi PHP5. |
| 23:49.56 | Knorrie | !moo |
| 23:49.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:50.04 | Ticondrius | mysql 5.0 of course |
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| 23:50.25 | Amir17 | Ticondrius which are those advantages that it will give me |
| 23:50.40 | mage | Amir17: apache is a web server, which is enough to serve out files. |
| 23:50.43 | Amir17 | i mean if select it |
| 23:50.50 | Amir17 | ok |
| 23:50.56 | Ticondrius | lighthttpd is a lot smaller in memory..and has a slightly faster execution speed with php scripts over apache and mod_php |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | mysql is crap |
| 23:51.12 | kspath | !tell abrotman about postgresql |
| 23:51.18 | Ticondrius | abrotman: if you don't know what you're talking about, plz sit down |
| 23:51.28 | cureless | :-o |
| 23:51.32 | Amir17 | take it easy guys |
| 23:51.38 | Amir17 | :) |
| 23:51.45 | kspath | !tell Ticondrius about postgresql |
| 23:51.52 | Amir17 | i just want to be well advised |
| 23:52.02 | abrotman | Ticondrius: no .. really .. i do .. mysql is complete garbage .. marginally better than MS Access |
| 23:52.02 | maher | Amir17: why did you come here then? :) |
| 23:52.03 | Ticondrius | postgre is nice..but I don't like it with php |
| 23:52.06 | beardy | !plz |
| 23:52.06 | dpkg | it has been said that plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 23:52.29 | Ticondrius | abrotman, then in that case..at least explain why..rather than make helpless comments |
| 23:52.44 | Ticondrius | lol ok. |
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| 23:52.52 | Amir17 | Ticondrius may i send u a private message?? |
| 23:52.56 | Ticondrius | sure |
| 23:52.57 | mage | wtf is it annoying zealot hour? :( |
| 23:53.18 | kspath | mage another? |
| 23:53.52 | mage | kspath: I haven't used the word another in here today |
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| 23:54.01 | kspath | mage: I have. |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | Ticondrius: anyone who has used mysql and ANY other database would understand |
| 23:54.14 | mage | well I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 23:54.24 | kspath | mage: I agree completely. |
| 23:54.58 | Amir17 | Ticondrius r u still alive? |
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| 23:55.19 | beardy | Make it stop.. |
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| 23:55.47 | Ticondrius | Yes Amir..but I don't see a PM |
| 23:55.51 | mage | abrotman: have you used MS Access with web development? |
| 23:56.08 | kspath | beardy: Stop the Earth you want to get off? |
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| 23:56.32 | Ticondrius | seems unregistered users can't use PMs.. |
| 23:56.32 | abrotman | mage: holy god yes .. what a nightmare |
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| 23:56.43 | beardy | kspath: Yes please, what's the next station? |
| 23:56.47 | Stevie-O | kspath: I disagree with your agreement with mage. |
| 23:57.07 | kspath | beardy: I lost track. I can not find the drive or conductor. |
| 23:57.18 | cureless | sometimes I really wonder how Fry's makes money. They're selling a wireless-G adapter for $9. |
| 23:57.24 | kspath | beardy: s/drive/driver/ |
| 23:57.29 | Stevie-O | cureless: what brand? |
| 23:57.31 | Amir17 | why do people offers u to stablish a speech if they are`nt gonna answer ( Ticondrius ) |
| 23:57.34 | Amir17 | lol |
| 23:57.45 | Stevie-O | (btw, Outpost.com has a 300gb SATA Seagate for $99) |
| 23:57.46 | cureless | Stevie-O: AirLink (Fry's brand) |
| 23:57.46 | abrotman | !tell Amir17 about u |
| 23:58.14 | kspath | !tell Amir17 about apache |
| 23:58.40 | Stevie-O | what happens if I do this |
| 23:58.46 | Stevie-O | !tell dpkg about u |
| 23:58.47 | cureless | Stevie-O: I bought their wireless-G pcmcia card the other day, works fine (atheros driver). |
| 23:58.50 | Stevie-O | Hahaha |
| 23:59.03 | mage | abrotman: is it really necessary to put all the queries in dll files? I've only looked at the stuff for one MS Access/aspx site |
