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03:20.29netgodfreelancer: one system should be fine, unless your content is adult in nature
03:20.29Dwonisshogunx: and then there's internationalized domain names
03:20.30Dwonisshogunx: which could have been simple UTF-8, if it weren't for BIND's getting confused
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03:20.31netgodDwonis: point
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03:20.34shogunxDwonis, you mean like the new.net hack that china is pulling?
03:20.34Dwonisbut noooo... we have to invent PunyCode now
03:20.34Vasisthabash colors!  http://channels.debian.net/paste/2585
03:20.35Dwonisshogunx: I haven't heard much about it.
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03:20.48shogunxDwonis, you should talk to Jefsey Morfin.  he would love you.
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03:20.52Dwonisshogunx: I'm just bitter
03:20.57jshriverIs there a way of seeing where a lsusb device is located in the /dev tree?
03:20.59thingfishooh boy morfin.  what a nice name.
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03:21.01Vasisthaonetinsoldier: did you get that?  I'll just give it again.  bash colors: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2585
03:21.01Dwonisshogunx: The DNS protocol is nearly as bad.  You don't truly understand it until you start writing a DNS server (which i've done... started, that is)
03:21.01shogunxDwonis, the IDN is coming... but it has to make it through the ietf first.
03:21.02Dwonisshogunx: like... what *is* correct behaviour when QDCOUNT > 1 ?
03:21.03shogunxDwonis, better than /etc/hosts, and the standards process IS open, if you have a better idea.
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03:21.09jshriverwhy dont I have /dev/usb/lp0? I have other USB devices working
03:21.22netgodat least its not LDAP
03:21.40freelanceroh ok. I thought a system always online should be firewalled...
03:21.42jshriverWhat is the Debian version of /dev/usb/lp0?
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03:22.01netgodfreelancer: probably a good idea; it sounds like only ports 25 and 80 need to be open
03:22.50shogunxDwonis, i don't have an answer for that...  never looked at that part of the code.
03:22.50Dwonisshogunx: I'm confused about what you're saying.  I don't have any problem with the DNS in *principle*.  The protocol spec, and the most popular implementation (BIND) are just screwed
03:22.50DwonisI'm also pretty sure that BIND ignores TTL values sometimes
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03:23.24shogunxDwonis, if you are of the opinion that the protocol is flawed, by all means offer suggestions to the standards body that administers it.
03:23.28shogunxthats my point.
03:23.35freelancerand that system would be my gateway to my other system as well
03:23.49Dwonisshogunx: Do you understand how standards bodies work?
03:24.02shogunxDwonis, yep.
03:24.14Dwonisshogunx: They tend to take opposing viewpoints and compromise on a spec that sucks all the way around
03:24.18netgodeven if the standards body had a glorious epiphany, there's still a million old implementations out there
03:24.21shogunxand in particular how the ietf works.
03:24.22jshriverwhat is devfs? and how do I get it working in Debian
03:24.27Dwonisnetgod: exactly
03:24.28netgodif it were that easy, we'd all be using IPv6 with opportunistic encryption
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03:25.07Vasisthajshriver: just curious -- and someone please let me know if this is a bad recommendation -- have you tried apt-get install printconf
03:25.10Dwonisnetgod: IPv6 with oppotunistic encryption (that is actually secure against MITM), requires DNSSEC
03:25.13freelancerok thankyou
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03:25.14Dwonisnetgod: doesn't it?
03:25.21netgodDwonis: yes afaik
03:25.34freelancersounds like I can do all that on the one system then...
03:25.41Dwonisnetgod: and supposedly-workable DNSSEC specs only entered standards-track last year
03:25.45jshriverVasistha, I've gone threw the /var/log/cups error and seem to have everything setup.. can see it in lsusb.. but cups is trying to poll
03:25.51jshriver/dev/usb/lp0 which doesnt exist on my system
03:25.52shogunxDwonis, here is the paper Jefsey wrote on the IDN:  http://gnuveau.net/langroot.pdf  he was, btw, the root on the french minitel network in the 70's and 80's.
03:25.58jshriverI dont have a /dev/usb directory
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03:26.12freelancerI'm on dialup at the moment hoping to move to DSL sometime soon
03:26.23netgodDwonis: that i didnt know; thought the spec had been out since early 2000
03:26.47netgodfreelancer: godspeed
03:26.49Dwonisnetgod: It had been, but apparently Verisign had problems signing the .com zone
03:26.54shogunxDwonis, netgod.  ipv6 has not been widely deployed because of the carriers, not the standards process.
03:27.19Dwonisbut heh.  IETF standards are WAY better than, e.g. Telecomms standards
03:27.27netgodDwonis: agreed
03:27.29shogunxDwonis, EXACTLY.
03:27.31Dwonise.g. GPRS.. egad
03:27.42shogunxUNUM... grr.
03:27.46freelancerit will be great, always online, frees up the phoneline and no dialup charges
03:28.28Dwonisshogunx: UNUM?
03:28.29jshriverHow do I get /dev/usb?
03:28.36jshriveror what is the debian version of /dev/usb?
03:28.46netgodwhy do u need /dev/usb? i dont have one
03:28.50shogunxDwonis, Universal Numbering... trying to reconcile ip with pstn.
03:28.58freelancerI dont have one either
03:29.01shogunxjust got deployed in bulgaria.
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03:29.33Vasisthajshriver: google brought this up: http://www.linux-consulting.com/LPR/Printer-Commands.txt
03:29.36Dwonisshogunx: I don't know anything about it, and I'm already cringing
03:29.57shogunxDwonis, precisely.
03:30.09netgodheh its all greed driven -- telcos trying to make money off every computer, instead of simply connecting ISPs together
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03:30.45shogunxDwonis, netgod  its the ITU trying to nose in, pretty much.
03:30.46jshriveris it  common to actually have to use mknod? that seems weird
03:31.00Dwonisshogunx: holy crap... I almost sprayed my keyboard
03:31.06Vasisthajshriver: hmmm, we had to do it with someone else today, she didn't have a /dev/null !
03:31.07Dwonisshogunx: I just turned to page 2 of that pdf
03:31.12netgodsometimes it makes (a twisted kind of) sense -- Verizon assigned my laptop a phone number when it was on their nationwide broadband wireless network
03:31.23Vasisthajshriver: you may also need to mkdir /dev/usb
03:31.33Vasisthajshriver: that's a directory, it shouldn't hurt anything to make it
03:31.34jshriveraye just did that and mknod.. will try printing again
03:31.50Dwonisshogunx: On the first page, I thought it was just French -> English translation problems
03:31.53jshriverwill I have to do that everytime I reboot then?
03:31.58shogunxDwonis, the guy who wrote that ran essentially a thin client network that stretched across all of france.  he is still fighting the osi/tcp/ip war.
03:32.09netgodheh
03:32.20Vasisthajshriver: you may also need to make a printing group, and chmod so users in the printing group can send data to the printer
03:32.24jshriverI saw a public domain video for PSP once.. think it was on archive.org
03:32.30Dwonisshogunx: wait... so are you saying that the document is *serious*?
03:32.33Vasisthajshriver: you should not need to do that step again, it should stay there
03:32.36jshriversorry wrong channel lol.
03:32.44jshriverVasistha, ok thanks :) trying
03:32.46shogunxDwonis, 100%
03:32.47freelancerthe isp I'm considering will allocate one static IP
03:33.04netgodfreelancer: its impressive they allocate any, these days
03:33.22shogunxDwonis, he plans to introduce it as an i-d in the next month or so.
03:33.52Dwonisshogunx: you can't be serious
03:34.08Vasisthajshriver: good luck. remember, you're talking to someone who has not gotten a printer working ;-)
03:34.46jshriverlol
03:34.46shogunxDwonis, when he gets to the part about the "corebox" or end user premises device... he contacted me to help develop that.
03:34.51shogunxwanted a little embedded linux box.
03:35.32freelancerit is possible that I out grow that one system and would need to move some of what it does onto their own boxes....
03:35.42jshriverI love Linux, but getting a printer to work is a rela pain in the a$$... after about 2 days of trying I was able to get another one working. But this is just rediculous.. If you have to mknod the /dev, install a ton of diff package, edit cups, manually check out /var/log/cups/error for suggetsions.. etc just to get a printer working.. grr
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03:36.26netgodfreelancer: wouldnt it be cheaper to drop in a motherboard with multiple CPUs?
03:36.39jshriverhrm unable to open /dev/usb/lp0 but it exists..
03:36.45jshriverI mknod it
03:36.48Vasisthajshriver: yeah, I know, it's a pain.  There are a lot of reasons for its being a pain, but the fact remains that it is a pain.  On the upside, once you do get it working, you will not have installed 100MB of crappy stupid software along with the driver!
03:36.56shogunxjshriver, whats wrong with cat filename > /dev/lpr?
03:36.59netgodfreelancer: its good to be clear on whether you're going for additional capacity, or redundancy
03:37.10shogunxDwonis, i shit you not, man.
03:37.13jshrivershogunx, it's a USB printer using the gimp-print driver.
03:37.16Vasisthajshriver: ls -ld /dev/usb /dev/usb/lp0
03:37.30Dwonisshogunx: but... what's it supposed to *do*?
03:37.50shogunxDwonis, make my enligh webpage render in every language.
03:37.58shogunxenglish.
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03:38.07shogunxand vice-versa
03:38.07jshriveris there a module for USB_PRINTER? if so what is it
03:38.13shogunxas well as domain names.
03:38.26freelancerI dont think a motherboard with multiple cpu is in my budget...both capacity and redundancy...
03:38.31Dwonisshogunx: so, it's like a translation service?
03:38.39Vasisthajshriver: you may be having permissions trouble, in fact I'm virtually certain you are.
03:38.44shogunxDwonis, he calls the web minitel 2.0
03:38.58shogunxDwonis, kind of.
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03:39.05netgodfreelancer: but several additional computers are?  interesting
03:39.07jshriverhrm how do I make it universally readable? noone else uses this machine.. and I wont leave the machine connected rarely
03:39.18shogunxkind of translation.  internationalization is what he calls it.
03:39.25john_xzyxzyhow to upgrade kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.13?
03:39.29Vasisthajshriver: what you're saying is that you want anyone to be able to access it?
03:39.34jshriveryeah
03:39.35Dwonisshogunx: I'm seriously considering printing that "figure 1" on a T-shirt
03:39.41shogunxhehe.
03:39.46freelancermaybe I need to look at that then...
03:39.52Vasisthajshriver: chmod a+w /dev/usb/lp0
03:40.05shogunxthe idea has merit, but the implementation will break LOTS of shit.
03:40.23Dwonisshogunx: when the caption, "as you can see, the results are very, uh, preliminary"
03:40.26Dwoniss/when/with
03:40.31Vasisthajshriver: that will give (+) everyone, or "all" (a) write access (w)
03:40.46shogunxhehe
03:41.02netgodfreelancer: note too, that for true redundancy you need to set up 2 boxes almost identically, so that when one dies the other can run all the services itself ... configuration of this is an art form, but ensures your site never goes off the net
03:41.19Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: I'm kinda curious what kernel you're running right now, because you said you have sarge, but I thought sarge was 2.6.8 -- could you verify uname -r ?
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03:41.27shogunxDwonis, this guy was the cerf and khan of france.
03:41.29netgodfreelancer: having one box be a firewall is a Single Point of Failure, which is bad unless its an expensive Sun box that Cannot Possibly Fail
03:41.42shogunxwell sub was for is.
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03:41.54freelancerSun *drool*
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03:42.06netgodfreelancer: if your website is java powered (i.e. slow) and needs a lot of webservers just to run it, thats another complication
03:42.10jshriverholy crap it workS!!!!!!!!! woooohooo
03:42.29john_xzyxzyvasistha, uname -r output is 2.6.12-3-multimedia-686
03:42.36jshrivermknod and modprobe usblp fixed it
03:42.53freelancerdoubt I'd be running java
03:42.58netgodgood man
03:43.02shogunxDwonis, essentially, the implementation would override the dns root servers.
03:43.16Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: I don't know for certain, but it sounds like it's not a stock debian sarge kernel
03:43.37jshriverhighfives Vasistha thanks :)
03:43.41Dwonisshogunx: wait, they want to subvert the existing DNS (via transparent proxying or whatever) with this thing?
03:44.06freelancermultiple cpu boards...looks like they range from a couple hundred to thousands... hrmm
03:44.12shogunxDwonis, yep.  see the INTF?  i'll let you figure out what that is to take the place of.
03:44.20john_xzyxzyyes, I get this version from http://www.agnula.org
03:44.23Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: jshriver you're welcome!  I wish I knew what you did so I could do it myself!! haha, actually, my main issue right now is hard drive space, I've only 300 MB left so I don't want to install 50 MB of printconf
03:44.31netgodfreelancer: you should be able to get an old dual 800 off ebay for like 50
03:44.40shogunxDwonis, one must understad that the dns is the governance mechanism of the internet.
03:44.48netgodfreelancer: just going dual, even if they are slow cpus, is going to create a perceivable benefit
03:44.49Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: oops, that wasn't meant to go to you. oh well. So, does agnula.org have a newer kernel available?
03:45.02freelancernetgod USD?
03:45.07jshrivereep.. well HD's are getting cheap now aday.. I just bought a new 200gig WD 8meg cache IDE HD for $70
03:45.25netgodfreelancer: USD, which doesn't go far these days
03:45.26Dwonisshogunx: I think IP tunneling is going to become very popular in France relatively soon
03:45.39netgodfreelancer: i havent checked tho, im guessing
03:45.47Vasisthajshriver: I just need to reorganize what's there, I have plenty of space in other partitions.  And it's a laptop, and an old one at that, so it is a bit of a trick to get more space here
03:45.47Dwonisshogunx: seriously, I am having trouble reading through the buzzwords in this
03:45.58freelancerthats ok...
03:46.10jshriveraye..
03:46.18jshriverUSB enclosure?
03:46.45netgodfreelancer: the point is, a webserver/firewall/mailserver/dnserver/ircserver/ can be a P-500 from 1999, if need be, its simply not that hard
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03:47.14freelancernice...
03:47.17netgodfreelancer: if course, if you buy brand new hardware, the slowest you can get is what, dual athlons?
03:47.21shogunxDwonis, thats because he created lots of them on the fly.  a skilled engineer, no doubt, and he has a point, but solving the problem this way fscks most of the internet.  some history:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel
03:47.27netgodcomputer stores dont carry cheap stuff
03:47.40Vasisthajshriver: like I said, I have plenty of space in other partitions, I just need to reorganize stuff.  I've been living without printer for many months, so it's no big deal for me right now.  But I'm really glad we got yours working!
03:47.52freelancersomething like that
03:47.59onetinsoldierhow can i specify to run my video driver with 'vsync on' in the xorg.conf file?
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03:48.38netgodfreelancer: put another way, even if you got a $500 a month T1 connection and ran a porn site and maxed it out, that would only be 1.5 mbit/sec ... about the speed of a 5X CD-ROM
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03:48.57netgodfreelancer: if your box comes with a CD-ROM faster than 5X, you should be ok  :-)
03:49.49freelanceryeah the spare system I have has a faster cdrom than that...
03:50.02shogunxDwonis, dns protocol not so bad now?  :)
03:50.11Dwonisshogunx: no, it's still bad
03:50.14shogunxhehe
03:50.25Vasisthaonetinsoldier: I'm using XFree, and I notice that the syntax is HorizSync and VertRefresh
03:50.41Dwonisshogunx: "better" does not imply "not bad"
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03:50.49netgodheh
03:50.57Vasisthaonetinsoldier: I would kind of expect X.org to be similar...
03:51.04Dwonisshogunx: he should submit this to ITU-T.  They's probably eat it up
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03:51.14freelancerspare system = 133mhz ...
03:51.20Dwonisshogunx: well, after making it worse so that it could be covered by the major players' patents
03:51.23tuvwhy don't i get Samsung in the list of printer manufacturers (whether via the web interface :631 or gnome client). i have the ppds installed!
03:51.26derek__hey any1 of u guys familiar with python?
03:51.28netgodfreelancer: heh ouch
03:51.34shogunxDwonis  he is, via his position in france telecom.
03:51.51Dwonisderek__: probably, but you could check #python
03:51.52freelancernetgod yup
03:51.55shogunxwho do you think is backing it?
03:51.56netgodfreelancer: you'll be eating up valuable hours of your life just installing and configuring the thing
03:52.08netgodfreelancer: for your benefit, not the web, you probably want a faster motherboard
03:52.17derek__i cannot log into python channel
03:52.35Dwonisderek__: why? were you banned?
03:52.51netgodfreelancer: not that it can't be done -- i did it back in 1996 -- but why, in this day and age?
03:52.51derek__no it says i need to be identified
03:52.55freelancerI have 2.2r2 on it at the moment
03:53.10Dwonisderek__: so register with NickServ then
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03:53.20derek__can u show me how to do that?
03:53.21Dwonisderek__: /msg NickServ help
03:53.28derek__cool thx
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03:53.44onetinsoldierVasistha: are you sure that turns vsync to on? i HAD to put that in my file just to be able get a resolution higher than 640x480... :-/  i think for some monitors those lines are required in order for you monitor to be able to correctly display something higher than vga. i don't think they fore the driver into 'vsync on'.
03:53.59shogunxDwonis, the point of all that is if you have a better solution than dns, ante up.
03:54.28freelancerif that system was just to be a gateway/router would that be ok?
03:54.31Dwonisshogunx: I might, but I'm entitled to bitch regardless...
03:54.34tuvi installed samsung's driver.. could it be responsible for hiding linuxprinting.org's drivers from cups?
03:54.35derek__can u tell me the command to identify myself?
03:54.40netgodfreelancer: yes
03:54.45shogunxDwonis, not saying you are not, my friend.
03:54.45Dwonisderek__: /msg dpkg help identify
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03:54.55Dwonisshogunx: heh
03:54.59Vasisthaonetinsoldier: you know, I don't really know.  never tried it.. have you been googling?
03:55.13netgodfreelancer: that just needs the kernel itself and a text editor .. tho if you have to recompile the kernel, gods help you
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03:55.24onetinsoldierVasistha: no. i will see what i can get by googling... thanks :)
03:55.42Vasisthaonetinsoldier: no problem.  never difficult to tell someone to gtfw ;-)
03:55.46shogunxnetgod  thats about a 2 day compile.  from memory of the bad old days.
03:55.57freelancerI need another system then
03:56.04Dwonisso apparently Java is now open-source, if by "open-source" you mean "horribly proprietary and evil"
03:56.09stonedyou need skittles
03:56.12stonedsour kind
03:56.19stonedhalf a pack at once
03:56.27netgodfreelancer: hit the san francisco craigslist, they give away computers faster than that
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03:56.40netgodDwonis: is that from slashdot?
03:56.40shogunxhttp://freegeek.org
03:56.48freelancercraigslist?
03:56.55netgodfreelancer: craigslist.org
03:57.16netgodfreelancer: or just post in wanted saying "linux geek needs a box"
03:57.22shogunxif you are in the portland area, freegeek is the bomb.
03:57.42Dwonisnetgod: well, it's on Slashdot... but as usual, most people's opinions there are wrong
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03:57.55netgodshogunx: cool
03:57.56freelancerpity I'm not:/
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03:58.14DwonisI just find it utterly predictable of Sun.
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03:58.22freelancerI'm in Australia...
03:58.33netgodunforutnately being free doesn't suddenly make it an elegant, usable language
03:58.44jshriverAre there any utilities to clean the heads of a printer?
03:58.59shogunxnetgod or any less of a resource hog.
03:59.06Dwonisnetgod: heh.  The only think I like about Java is that it has somewhat better resistance against moron programmers
03:59.17Dwonisnetgod: which is also why I can't stand it
03:59.17ansongok, i may have just answered my own question. i've not used gpg with email before, but i wanted to email someone who had there public key on their website.
03:59.27Dwoniss/think/thing
03:59.33shogunxjshriver  apt-get install q-tip
03:59.40stonedhahaha q-tip
04:00.09stonedI think hopefully you will see me next month from .nx
04:00.11stonedmx*
04:00.16ansongi've imported the key using kgpg and set owner trust to "fully" but it wouldn't let me select his imported public key saying it was not trusted. if i right click the imported key, i've got the option to sign. do i have to sign his public key to get this thing going?
04:00.29deadcatsimonrvn: you still have the ppc slim .deb?
04:00.34onetinsoldierVasistha: still here?  on google i found the name of what it is i used to make a bash shell theme years ago... hehe
04:00.35shogunxgoing for the legal pot stoned?
04:00.41stonedyou know it
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04:00.46shogunxhehe
04:00.47stonedsid is pissing me off lately
04:00.50Dwonisansong: "gpg --lsign KEY_ID", I think
04:00.51freelancerhrmm
04:00.54Vasisthaonetinsoldier: I'm curious to here.  Did you get my paste with the console colors?
04:00.57Vasisthas/here/hear
04:01.07freelancernow why cant we have a group like that here in aus...
04:01.07Dwonisansong: but you shouldn't just sign any key that you got from somebody's website
04:01.12stonednothing is borken, everything works, but I can't help but fele my system is unclean and dirty, and its a pet peeve of mine
04:01.12onetinsoldierVasistha: Bashish... ever heard of it?
04:01.18Dwonisansong: it defeats the purpose of PGP
04:01.23stonedfeel*
04:01.35onetinsoldierVasistha: no.. i didn't get your paste... sorry
04:01.42Dwonisansong: How do you know that the key that you downloaded is the real key, and not some key that I generated myself and inserted there to fool you?
04:01.58stonedi've ran apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` until nothing was left to remove, and I still feel my system is unclean
04:02.09stonedis it just me or what
04:02.17Dwonisstoned: man bless(8)
04:02.21Vasisthaonetinsoldier: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2585  no, never heard of bashish
04:02.43onetinsoldierVasistha: ok, going to check out your link
04:02.45stonedNo manual entry for bless in section 8
04:02.56Dwonisstoned: man joke(7)
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04:03.00stonedoh
04:03.11stonedgoddamit, at least signify its a joke with like a smiley or something
04:03.16stoned;)
04:03.27Dwonisheh\
04:03.29jshrivershogunx, is that in stable? not showing up
04:03.29stonedits online remember, I got no way of telling what you really mean
04:03.34shogunxsudo decruftify
04:03.44Dwonisstoned: but this way *I* get to laugh too
04:03.49stonedgo for it man :)
04:03.51shogunxjshriver, you can get them at your local drugstore
04:03.51ansongso...i have to call the guy and arrange a meeting? how do i know that you haven't also changed the contact # to some throwaway pay phone? am i missing something? i have to draw the line somewhere right?
04:03.56jshriverlol
04:03.59Dwonisstoned: I'd just use aptitude, and poke around until I'm happy
04:04.15Dwonisstoned: or, for fun, reinstall
04:04.16netgodDwonis: java still seems non-free; how are peoples opinions wrong?
04:04.17ansongDwonis, prev ->you
04:04.23freelancerdidn't think that system would be able to handle more than being a gateway...
04:04.25stonedgah, re install
04:04.49Dwonisnetgod: it _is_ non-free, and possibly not-a-good-idea-for-Debian-to-distribute
04:04.49stonedscrew that, I am not using windows.  Half the fun is making sid work
04:04.50stonedheh
04:05.03netgodfreelancer: i bet everyone was assuming it was a 2000-era box, not some relic from the antediluvian epoch
04:05.06Dwonisnetgod: which is what I found predictable
04:05.18onetinsoldierVasistha: looks pretty cool. you have to specify all thos colors first? you have that in a basrc file or something somewhere?
04:05.31freelancerthats why I thought I'd better state what it was
04:05.35shogunxnetgod  i started out with networking with several of those i got from a dumpster.
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04:05.40Vasisthaonetinsoldier: no, you can just stick those strings directly into the PS1 variable code, but I found it easier
04:05.53onetinsoldierVasistha: roger.. pretty neat!
04:05.55Vasisthaonetinsoldier: I actually comment out the ones that I'm not using
04:05.56stonedI ran linux for 5 years on a crappy pc I had. CompuADD laptop from 1992 4mb ram, 80mb HDD, 25.33 Mhz cpu, 386.
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04:06.23freelancerstoned me too
04:06.35netgodheh we've come a long way -- the kernel wont even load into 4MB anymore
04:06.36Dwonisansong: yes, you do have to draw the line somewhere... but why bother using crypto at all, if you're not actually interested in strong security?
04:06.44netgodthen again, we do have usb hotswap printer support  :-)
04:06.48shogunxstoned freelancer  i have 2 words for both of you... government surplus.
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04:07.35freelanceryeah good point
04:08.26shogunxwhere else can you pick this bastard up for a grand:  http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=865838&convertTo=USD
04:09.04Vasisthanetgod: me too! actually I have 192 mb, but pretty darn close
04:09.05netgodhm interesting site
04:09.29john_xzyxzyI want to upgrade kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.13 or newer, and I need the source of kernel, because  I want to install ieee80211, that needs kernel source. where can I get the source, and how to upgrade?
04:09.30netgodits a credit to linux that X and Firefox works
04:09.38shogunxnetgod  i have reaped from that for years now.  got a gen5 s/390 and 2 sharks for 4g's
04:10.05netgodshogunx: u running linux on mainframes?
04:10.26shogunxsold the disks from the sharks and made $100 profit and kept the rest.
04:10.38netgodi read a book on that, but i didnt see any mainframes on eBay, so that cool idea kindof died
04:10.43shogunxnetgod... not at the moment... need the 3-phase electricity for it.
04:10.47netgodheh
04:10.58Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: I've tried to help you several times, man, and I'd like to, but you keep disappearing and coming back with the first question.  Anyone else who helps will probably ask some of the questions I did
04:11.06shogunx41000 linux images on one gen5/
04:11.31netgodheh a one-man ISP
04:11.38zu22shogunx: do any companies still make new mainframes?
04:11.39shogunxin one box, no less.
04:12.00john_xzyxzyhi vasistha, I am sorry. but I really want to resolve my problem.
04:12.09netgodzu22: afaik thats all IBM makes now, since they sold their PC business (!) to the asians
04:12.16Vasisthazu22: read on slashdot recently that some are corps are trying to push thin clients
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04:12.31shogunxzu22 ibm makes the z9 now.  sun has the sunfires, which they call midframes.  hp makes some heavy metal.  and i would call openmosix/xen on a linux cluster a mainframe.
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04:12.44Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: that website where you got the kernel you're running, have you checked there for a newer kernel?
04:12.52shogunxVasistha, i love thin clients.  i have some hooked up to an alpha for a net-cafe.
04:12.58netgodmainframes have interesting architectures ... trick is getting one
04:13.16netgodand 3-phase power, if needed :P
04:13.16Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: I asked for two reasons. 1) if they have one, that may be the easiest upgrade 2) if you upgrade elsewhere, it may break some of the functionality you gained when you started using that special kernel
04:13.18shogunxnetgod.  they are damn expensive if you buy them new, thats for sure.
04:13.36shogunxexactly.  3 phase is rare as hell.
04:13.38zu22netgod: oh yeah
04:13.58john_xzyxzyyes, vasistha , you are right. checking it now....   :P
04:13.59shogunxibm had virtualization down many years ago.
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04:14.03Vasisthashogunx: hmm, that's an excellent use for them.  Not a gaming cafe, but I dunno why anyone would want to serve that crowd anyway...
04:14.19shogunxVasistha, its in a hotel on the beach.
04:14.20onetinsoldieri used to be a tpf operator on ibm mainframes. anyone ever heard of the tpf operating system? hehe
04:14.24netgodshogunx: where might one find some ancient hardware to run a virtual isp?  same site?
04:14.41shogunxnetgod... yep.
04:14.53shogunxand some not so ancient.
04:14.54Vasisthashogunx: sounds marvellous.  And I bet the ritzy clients think the thin clients are sexy.  Well, a few of them anyway.  Okay, maybe just I do.
04:15.04shogunxnetgod  or google for nasa sales
04:15.14netgodshogunx: cool
04:15.32netgodheh done
04:15.44freelancerhrmm
04:15.58shogunxVasistha, i charge $5 an hour.  i only go there to pick up the cash.  the folks with the cafe get to use it free, and collect the cash for me.
04:16.05john_xzyxzyanother question, may I use "apt-get upgrade kernel"
04:16.27john_xzyxzyit will break my system?
04:16.35netgodshogunx: thanks
04:16.38Vasisthashogunx: ...and they get to attract customers to their cafe by offering internet service that they don't have to maintain
04:16.40shogunxnetgod  the s/390 came from the pentagon.  it was the armys personell database thing.
04:16.58onetinsoldierjohn_xzyxzy: it shouldn't
04:17.00netgodgeez
04:17.02shogunxVasistha, the hotel occupancy went up %20 and the cafe got %35 more business.
04:17.07Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: not necessarily, but the question is, what are you going to upgrade to?  There are many debian kernels available
04:17.18Vasisthashogunx: nice.  Is this your first such operation?
04:17.19shogunxnetgod  still had the data on it.
04:17.36shogunxVasistha, yep. first public access network.
04:17.39netgodthats pretty sloppy
04:17.44Vasisthashogunx: nice.  debian?
04:17.47shogunxnetgod, i agree.
04:18.09onetinsoldierjohn_xzyxzy: i usually compile my own kernels. but i have certainly used apt to upgrade kernels, and it's what most all people use to upgrade a kernel. it makes sure that any newer software need for a newer kernel gets installed
04:18.23shogunxVasistha, debian alpha with a 2.4.26 with hostap patched in, and a prism2 wifi card for the wireless access point.
04:18.25netgodrunning debian, of course
04:18.29freelancerour army lost a body then lost the report that was written about the body that was lost
04:18.55amphifreelancer: whose army?
04:19.09freelanceramphi australian army
04:19.12Vasisthashogunx: beautiful.  Do you automate apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to do a daily fix?
04:19.12john_xzyxzyI see the installation guid of ieee80211, it says it need kernel source
04:19.14shogunxfreelancer, more likely, the guy running the mainframe there wanted a new one.
04:19.26shogunxVasistha, only for security updates.
04:19.27netgodfreelancer: military-political empires have a way of losing things inconvenient to them ... like detainees
04:19.28amphifreelancer: ah
04:19.56Vasisthashogunx: yeah, that's what my pc's set up to do ... I THINK ... maybe I don't understand apt-get syntax as well as I think I do
04:20.11john_xzyxzyeven apt-get upgrade kernel, you cann't get kernel source.
04:20.21shogunxVasistha, there is a line in sources list for security and one for general packages.
04:20.21Vasisthashogunx: well, as long as I'm on sarge, I had the impression the ONLY updates were security updates
04:20.27netgodshogunx: its hard to imagine they outgrew the processing power; maybe they were just worried about the age of the hardware
04:20.28freelancershe left the cd containing the report in a computer at an airport
04:20.35shogunxVasistha, for the most part, you are correct.
04:21.14shogunxnetgod, the new ones have 64 processors.
04:21.20shogunxvs 12 on mine.
04:21.41netgodshogunx: yeah but its not like we have 5 times more army troops or something :-)
04:21.42shogunxwhen a company eol's hardware, the .gov automatically buys the new stuff.
04:21.42Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: yeah, you may need to get a couple more packages, perhaps the source and the kernel tree
04:21.50netgodshogunx: oooh
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04:22.13Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: ...so I gather you were unable to find a newer kernel on that web site?
04:22.23azeemnetgod: are you Johnie Ingram?
04:22.27shogunxnetgod, i've actually seen vax machines on there.  like, 200 terminal vaxs.  that have been up for 20 years.
04:22.41netgodazeem: yes
04:22.56azeemok, coo
04:22.58john_xzyxzyvasistha, I am still seeking that website.....
04:22.58azeeml
04:23.09shogunxnetgod, i bet they are collecting 5x the data.
04:23.18Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: anyway, I need to go eat, let me tell you my thoughts...
04:23.18netgodlinux on vax?  hmmmm
04:23.36netgodshogunx: point
04:24.05shogunxnetgod, its been done on a few of them.  from my understanding, there are vaxs at nasa still running since they were new, cause the satellites they comm with are still operational.
04:24.25Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: packages.debian.org -- look for kernel-image -- there are *oodles* of them.  You might have to go with an etch kernel, because I think the sarge 2.6 kernels are all 2.6.8
04:24.26john_xzyxzyoh, vasistha, have good meal. and thank you.
04:24.34shogunxif they take the vax down, bye bye birdie.
04:24.34netgodheh they don't build computers like that anymore
04:24.53shogunxNetBandit, sadly, you are right.
04:25.00shogunxnetgod, ^^
04:25.17Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: however, I have no idea what an etch kernel will do to a sarge system.  It might work just fine... you might get screwed.
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04:25.34shogunxVasistha, etch kernel should do fine.
04:25.42Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: the fortunate thing is, you can have several kernels all installed, if one doesn't work you can just reboot.
04:25.45zu22shogunx: the main plus of mainframes is fault tolerance and redundancy right?
04:25.45azeemnetgod: < liw> azeem, say hello to him from me
04:25.47wmcinnishi iam starting to wonder is there a good cli configure tool for debian
04:25.54wmcinnisie like network and stuff like that
04:25.55Gary:)
04:26.16netgodazeem: tell lars i wish him well
04:26.22shogunxzu22, that you can get from a mini or cluster.  ask google about that.  the BIG plus is the virtualization.
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04:26.48shogunxzu22, by ask google, i don't mean search.  they use massively fault tolerant clusters.
04:26.51freelancerwhat a pain, I was hoping to get atleast web serving running on that box for until upgrading...
04:26.51zu22netgod: i bet for critical infrastructue some .mil and .gov entities use their own home grown hardware ;)
04:26.53Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: ahha, listen to shogunx ;-)   anyway, so in addition to kernel-image, you may also need kernel-headers, kernel-source, and/or kernel-tree
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04:27.09zu22shogunx: ah
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04:27.25netgodzu22: they write the specs, and determine the language (Ada), but usually depend on contractors
04:27.37C|inthi all,
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04:28.02Vasisthajohn_xzyxzy: I believe the way it works is like this:  in order to compile a kernel module, the module being compiled needs to be able to link against objects that exist within the kernel source.  That's why you need source to build module.
04:28.38shogunxzu22, rolled their own self healing filesystem and clustering... guys pull servers from racks and replace them, and they auto provision, and rebuild the data stored on the downed host from the 3 other copies in the datacenter.  like when dudes ran around inside eniac machines replacing vaccum tubes:)
04:28.43zu22netgod: ah ok, i was thinking of for VERY sensitive stuff but maybe even there they use contractors
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04:29.23onetinsoldierVasistha: check out the screenshots here...  http://bashish.sourceforge.net/  ..tell me what you think of those. :)
04:29.23netgodzu22: contractors cleared for very sensitive stuff, yes.  the military itself doesn't have chip plants, just commanders
04:29.33shogunxzu22, i bought all the armys personell data for $4g's.  true, i hit the drives with a degausser before i sold them, but still...
04:29.36castis there an app thatll let me check the signature of a pkg in sarge?
04:29.47zu22shogunx: wow, any chance they might be releasing a google linux distro?
04:29.50Vasisthawmcinnis: a good cli configure tool? what do you want to configure, the cli itself?  If you want to edit .conf files, try vi or nano
04:29.59shogunxzu22, i wish they would share the wealth.
04:30.08zu22netgod: they don't have any that we know about lol ;) j/k
04:30.39Vasisthaonetinsoldier: thanks, I clicked the link, will check it out after I eat, and I am going NOW bye ;-)
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04:30.39zu22shogunx: yeah
04:30.52shogunxzu22, truth is, there are not too many people that can or need to scale like that.
04:30.52onetinsoldierVasistha: ok.. take care. see ya later
04:30.59netgodzu22: they could likely hide it in the 2,400 page federal budget, if they really wanted -- im sure the NSA has special code-cracking hardware in there somewhere
04:31.02castahh nvm debsig-verify :>
04:31.04shogunxVasistha, enjoy, and thanx for the compliment.
04:31.24shogunxnetgod  like the phone greppers?
04:31.31netgodshogunx: heh
04:31.34Dwonisshogunx: from http://gnuveau.net/: "It seems as though Micro$oft was scanning my site for their search engine listings, without my requesting such. This is not a normal practice by the other search engines on the internet. One must usually request being listed."
04:31.39zu22shogunx: oh
04:31.43zu22netgod: nod
04:31.45C|intI'm back with using , Debian 3.1, I took it as , well Debian being the universal operating system for me, ubuntu was okay, however too slow for a IT Systems Engineer, and Network Engineer,   * debian has way more speed, and you can just figure out the system,, what drivers you need, etc,
04:31.45C|intI still use Windows for my Cad software, 3d modeling, rhino3d, and maxon, and dj software, However I plan on gettin my  VMware installed, or trying out, VMware player,  anyone using VMware on debian?
04:31.55Dwonisshogunx: I'm pretty sure Google existed by the time Linux 2.6.8 was out
04:32.33shogunxDwonis, yeah, their bots were jsut probing the shit out of the server.
04:33.03shogunxDwonis, yeah... google and 2.6.8 existed at the same time.  why?
04:33.25stoneholdCan someone help me install NVidia drivers on my Debian system?
04:33.35shogunx!nvidia one-liner
04:33.35dpkghmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
04:34.33Dwonisnetgod: heh
04:34.43shogunxDwonis, referring to the pic of the shark running 2.6.8ppc?
04:35.09stoneholdthank you, shogunx
04:35.20stoneholdi'll take a look and try that one.
04:35.21shogunxthat wa a fun port, that shark.
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04:35.38shogunxonly one in the world running linux.  smoking box.
04:35.45netgodwhat exactly is a shark
04:35.57Dwonisshogunx: no, just trying to put a time on the msnbot reference
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04:36.28shogunxnetgod, ibm ess-2105-f20 disk subsystem server.  disks for the mainframe.
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04:36.32justinmHi Guys!
04:36.42shogunxran aix.  no passwords.
04:36.42netgodoic
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04:36.49justinmI'm running a postfix server with amavisd-new and spamassassin. Just recently I started to get alot of pill spam messages, and I'm wondering what the appropriate actions to take are
04:36.56shogunxso i penguinized it.
04:36.58justinmexample: http://pastebin.com/729236
04:37.00C|intback, installing Opera9
04:37.34justinmI'm a fairly new postfix admin. I inherited a postfix server at work. I've set one up at home, I'm still green though.
04:37.37servusInstalling Opera9 made my apt-get want to uninstall KDE and my libc. :)
04:37.47C|inthey amphi , eh, you hang in debian chan eh, thought you all ubuntu :P
04:37.54Dwonisjustinm: http://tmda.net/
04:37.58sidWhere does apt-get/dpkg keep it's logs of everything done with apt/dpkg
04:37.58shogunxservus, how does the box run w/o libc?
04:38.06servusWell I didn't let it continue!
04:38.07Ugly_Duckthis should be compiled as a module if i have this in my .config right?  "CONFIG_IP_NF_MANGLE=m"
04:38.11Dwonisjustinm: I gave up with other spam filtering mechanisms
04:38.24shogunxservus, must be linked against a particular libc.
04:38.26C|intah, well I don't use KDE anymore,
04:38.27Ugly_Duckmodprobe mangle
04:38.27Ugly_DuckFATAL: Module mangle not found.
04:38.40C|intI use, gnome, fluxbox, and enlightenment,
04:38.52Dwonissid: I don't think it *does*, but you can look in /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt
04:38.54servusapt-get has done that to me a few times. You install something trivial, and suddenly it decides it's time to uninstall 100 essential packages. Quite annoying.
04:38.58C|intI'll be using fluxbox, when using VMware :)
04:39.07C|intlol
04:39.15C|intmaybe you should change your debconf
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04:39.21shogunxDwonis, tmda works pretty well, eh?
04:39.22netgodservus: never happened to me, but then i also avoid kde and non-free software
04:39.26justinmDwonis, does tmda run as a postfix extension
04:39.32justinmor is it a full MTA ...
04:39.33servusI'm going to have to, next time I need to apt-get install something. I haven't fix it yet, this time.
04:39.36C|intwell, if you change your debconf, you should be okay
04:39.43zu22shogunx: is this the shark? http://www.shark-linux.de/shark.html
04:39.45sidDwonis: Is there a way to turn logging on...or apt-get install something that will give me more extensive apt-get/dpkg logigng.
04:39.59Dwonisshogunx: well, I still have to tweak it a bit (right now, it's allowing any message with an envelope sender of <>, which is the standard "bounce" sender, but some spammers also use it)
04:40.05C|inthi shogunx , netgod , and servus ,
04:40.09Dwonissid: maybe.  man dpkg
04:40.22freelancernetgod thanks for the help
04:40.26shogunxC|int, hi.
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04:40.38Dwonissid: I know dpkg has a debugging mode, but I think it just dumps its output to stderr, in that case
04:40.43servusNot sure what you mean, C|int; I've never used that particular "debconf" program before.
04:41.04C|intanyone , have any experience with Acer laptops, i would like to improve my experience with debian hee, ubuntu was nice and everything for its hardware detection, however not fast enough for  me, and I'm testing with FreeBSD 6.1 as well, on a serperate parition and on my workstation, and still using Debian, and windows
04:41.21shogunxzu22, nope.  this is: http://www-5.ibm.com/se/news/archive/images/shark-mathiot.jpg
04:41.25Dwonisjustinm: I'm not sure what you're asking.  Read the website.  My mail system is rather convoluted, so the way I set things up probably don't apply to you
04:41.32C|intI had users saying, what can you do in debian, that you can't do in ubuntu(
04:41.44shogunxDwonis, do you use it with mailman or the like?
04:41.54zu22shogunx: ah
04:41.57C|intmy reply to them, well debian might be a challenge, however, its alot faster off the start for a linux system, and to me, its way universal to program on, and to build things :)
04:41.59C|intsoftware(
04:42.02C|intsoftware**
04:42.08sidDwonis: eh...I just wanted to basically keep a log of everything that is installed and what order it is installed.
04:42.10netgodclint: you can see whats going on, and therefore hack it
04:42.16C|intyep hee
04:42.19C|intI hacked my cable :D
04:42.36Supaplexyour cable runs debian? ;)
04:42.38Dwonisshogunx: mailman?  no, but I have a pretty massive .procmailrc, and I have a weird custom virtual domains setup (basically, postfix+vmailmgr, which was a huge PITA, thanks to postfix's terrible architecture)
04:42.40freelancerI hacked my...oh nevermind
04:42.43C|inttook me awhile, I didnt' have it for 2 1/2 months, and as Network Engineer for my college, I thought, eh, :)
04:43.03servus"I have a confession to make; I hacked my sister's diary."
04:43.05SupaplexDwonis: what's so horrible about postfix?
04:43.26DwonisSupaplex: all its settings are per-mailserver instead of per-domain, and the pipe(8) transport refuses to run stuff as root
04:43.38shogunxC|int, noshit.  how.  spoof the mac of the cable modem?
04:43.58C|inthey netgod , are you anyone good with getting, wireless working, for built in wifi , 802.11 b/g Broacoms.. I could use some help .. :(
04:44.06sidDwonis: Like if a package is iU ... I want to figure out what caused this package to be broken.
04:44.13justinmDwonis, this looks good
04:44.15netgodDwonis: why not go the easy route with qmail
04:44.19Dwonissid: I know what you're asking.  I don't know the answer
04:44.25Dwonisnetgod: I *did*!
04:44.34C|intmaybe if I install, CodeWeavers CrossOver 5 pro, I can get it up and going :D
04:44.35Supaplexdoes root need to receive mail?  The new setup I'm rolling out with primarly domain->user maps works great (and some MDA magic)
04:44.37Dwonisnetgod: the problem was that qmail basically ground to a halt under the spam load
04:44.39justinmI think what I'd do is have postfix send all spam through spamassasin, then pass it through tmda
04:44.41netgodclint: im not sure theres any easy way to get wireless working; i had to part-compile the kernel
04:44.49shogunxC|int, you could just move, and the address in the cableco's database would be wrong:)
04:45.05shogunxC|int, no way to trace a shared layer 1 like that.
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04:45.12C|intwell, I hear the ndiswrapper and things, however, eh, I been trying, me and some users on ubuntu, was able to get it up, and had, it then when I did, dist-upgrade, I lost its configuration :(
04:45.19onetinsoldierUgly_Duck: hello. i might be able to help you find that module
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04:45.35Ugly_Duckonetinsoldier: k.
04:45.44C|intwell shogunx , I plan to start using s a proxy, and I'm ordering me an IDS from nfr, this year
04:45.45onetinsoldierok.. hang on
04:45.54Dwonisnetgod: I was using vmailmgr to accept mail @dlitz.net, so every time some spammer decided to spam alice@dlitz.net, amber@dlitz.net, ashley@dlitz.net... qmail would accept the messages, then bounce them "back" to AOL... which would start tarpitting me
04:45.57SupaplexDwonis: did you catch my last comment?
04:45.57shogunxC|int, card is not suported by the kernel or wlan-ng?
04:46.02C|inthm
04:46.05netgodDwonis: oh, ouch
04:46.10C|intmaybe i need, acer_acpi eh?
04:46.18C|inti was reading some stuff on that.. o.o
04:46.29Dwonisnetgod: and since qmail doesn't queue messages per-outgoing-server, all my legitimate mail was being delayed by like 30-60 minutes
04:46.41Ugly_Duckiptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -p tcp --dport domain -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:30
04:46.45DwonisSupaplex: yes, I replied
04:46.45Ugly_Duckwhats wrong with that?
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04:46.52DwonisSupaplex: or wait, no I didn't
04:46.53C|intI'm going to engineer my website, and having TechSmith videos, for linux and open source especially when I get things going,
04:46.59Ugly_DuckCLASSIFY is not right aye?
04:47.03Supaplexdwonis, does root need to receive mail?  The new setup I'm rolling out with primarly domain->user maps works great (and some MDA magic)
04:47.05onetinsoldierUgly_Duck:  look in this directory.... /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.16/net/ipv4/netfilter/
04:47.12Ugly_Duckonetinsoldier: kk..
04:47.17DwonisSupaplex: root doesn't need to receive mail.  But I needed to port my vmailmgr setup to postfix
04:47.17C|intI'm probably going to wait, when I get a high speed DSL line, I really like DSL over cable, for alot of reasons, :-)
04:47.21onetinsoldierreplace with your <kernel_version>
04:47.35DwonisSupaplex: so I wrote a wrapper that setuid()s to the proper user account
04:47.35C|intjust my opinion, and statistics i had showed users, in colleg e:)
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04:47.46onetinsoldierUgly_Duck: doh! i screwed up... sorry
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04:48.02shogunxC|int, RADIUS, the auth for most dsl/ppp links, does not realize that there are multiple users on the same username/pass;)
04:48.05DwonisSupaplex: of course, it needs to run as root, which postfix refuses to do in the name of "security", which is utter crap, because my workaround was necessarily more complex and possibly less secure
04:48.20Supaplexdwonis, ahhh, so you're really rehashing things. :)  I don't need a wrapper for this setup, I think procmail might be taking care of that part.
04:48.51onetinsoldierUgly_Duck: sorry.. that should have been... /lib/modules/2.6.16.16-686/kernel/net/ipv4/   .. and i think you are looking for,   iptable_mangle.ko
04:49.09Ugly_Duckonetinsoldier: ahh, yup, i modprobed that
04:49.10Dwonisdamn djb and his crappy qmail licensing
04:49.17C|intand 1 thing else, I installed, dri-I915-v1.1-20041217.i386 , thinkin it would help me get, 1280x800, however, I think I need to install, xorg, or something, i was reading something on user, have same laptop as me, and was using slackware, and had to make some modifications,
04:49.22onetinsoldierUgly_Duck: ahhh cool!
04:49.29C|intoh cool shogunx
04:49.40netgodDwonis: people have damned him for a decade, i doubt he cares now
04:49.43shogunxthat i915 chip is a bastard.
04:49.58Dwonisnetgod: I know.  My damning stands
04:50.06Supaplexhehe
04:50.11netgodDwonis: as well it should
04:50.15C|intwell, my ISP , isn't really stupid, I think there letting me get away with it for a while, I only have , download speed it allocates too, after downloading, 2,343 some odd, kb/s to, 1,000 kb/sm some, and then, 10 kb/s and 7 kb/s sometimes,
04:50.17freelancerthanks for the help people
04:50.18Dwoniswhich is actually kind of funny, 'cause I'm an atheist... but still, it's a good expression
04:50.22C|intyeah it is lol
04:50.27freelancerI'll be off here now
04:50.33C|intI took the rpm from intel, and alien'd it :P
04:50.40C|intwhat I call it :)
04:51.04netgodrpm alienification?
04:51.14C|intalien worked great, for taking Cedega rpm I had when I was into fedora, however, I seen the debian world, and didn't turn back, however tested SUSE 10.1 , just because users wanted some info on it, and it was slow as ever,
04:51.21netgod'debify' is shorter
04:51.28Dwonisugh.  I don't know which is worse: using alien or NOT using alien
04:51.37C|intand also, instaling deb files on debian ,. :D faster than ever, ubuntu, you got more work to do :D
04:51.48freelancereither way, sounds scary for some reason
04:51.57C|intwell, sometimes you have to reverse engineer applications dwar
04:52.00C|intDwonis, (
04:52.07simonrvndebianise is the usual term. but that usually means from source tarball, not rpm
04:52.24C|intin my aspect of things, in my vision of things, others my choose different modifications :-)
04:52.28onetinsoldieryep... may the source be with you
04:52.33C|intlol, yeah
04:52.36C|int:P
04:52.37Dwonissimonrvn: Is it debianise or debianize?
04:52.40Dwonislet the flamewar begin!
04:52.43C|intthats a gag onetinsoldier
04:52.47onetinsoldierhehe
04:52.52netgodDwonis: depends on what continent you're on
04:53.01freelancerI dont mind working with tarballs...
04:53.02shogunx!start a flamewar
04:53.02dpkgFinnish is better than Swedish
04:53.04Dwonisnetgod: how about Canada?
04:53.20C|intI use windows for what i need it for, workstation primarly, working with software development, and doing my best to make Vista better for users, they honestly pay good money, for a Vista system build, to work good hee,
04:53.26netgodDwonis: wouldnt it be debiannaire in french then? :P
04:53.38Dwonisnetgod: only in Québec
04:53.43shogunxhehe
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04:54.05Dwonisnetgod: and I think still no
04:54.07shogunxin mexico it debianista
04:54.16C|inthowever, linux and unix is the best experience, for web browsing, and being online experience period, , thats why tonigth, /today, I am going do my best to get vmware workstation installed, or vmware player, then I'll have my own, infrastructure linux box :P
04:54.19netgodshogunx: sounds like someone i'd like to meet
04:54.23shogunx:)
04:54.31Drewpsteryo clint.
04:54.36C|intomg
04:54.37C|int:D
04:54.41C|intheya Drewpster  :)
04:54.51C|intyou use knoppix and here eh, :D
04:54.55Dwoniseveryone looks gorgeous on IRC
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04:55.13VasisthaDwonis: I dunno if I agree with that.  Some nicks are definitely more appealing than others
04:55.22C|inthey guys, Drewpster  my buddy, from a peer to peer on windows, Filetopia.. although, we against them for banning linux systems and unix 1's ;)
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04:55.28DwonisVasistha: heh, true enough
04:55.38Drewpsterbrb
04:55.57VasisthaDwonis: and my client arbitrarily gives nicks a variety of colors.  You, Dwonis, are kind of a beige right now, C|int is a dark cyan, netgod and shogunx are both purple ... etc
04:56.12C|intah, what are you using,
04:56.22shogunxi'm the purple nipple pincher
04:56.33netgoddoesnt that break a Law of Human Interfaces, which says everything should be meaninful?
04:56.35DwonisVasistha: what client?
04:56.44VasisthaDwonis: konversation
04:56.50bnovci upgraded apache and now it attempts to download all my PHP files :(
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04:57.12Dwonisnetgod: or the colour of suffocation
04:57.25C|intwell, sometimes, I use the IRC client, in Opera, my choice of web browser, I used mOzilla for a long time, however, people change. .. Just like Morpheus said in "The Matrix"   qoute on qoute" somethings will never change, however somethings do change,
04:57.28C|intsomething like that :P
04:57.30netgodyeah well, that too
04:57.31shogunxbnovc, make sure you have the php module loaded in the new apache configs.
04:57.53Drewpsterback
04:57.54bnovcshogunx, trying to, have to figure out the damn debina apache config setup
04:58.05shogunxbnovc, apache2?
04:58.07bnovcyep
04:58.10bnovcAddType application/x-httpd-php .php
04:58.13C|intit will give you alot more security, and especially if you have an account, because it will host your connection. sort of .. proxy method basically , so that adds alot more security to the client,
04:58.13bnovci have that
04:58.16zu22just installed grub, anyone have a menu.lst i could examine? would like to specify my new linux image and the old one as a failsafe and also dual boot with Win98. after i have my menu.lst setup the way i want i just run "grub-install --root-directory=/boot" (my vmlinuz is in /boot) and reboot and i'm good to go right? is the format for (foo,bar) in grub same as lilo? my root partition is /dev/hda1 so i'd do "root (hda1,0)" yes? after i finish grub setup will
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04:58.31DwonisC|int: Konqueror has gotten pretty nice lately, speed-vs-features-wise, though I still mostly use Firefox, except when I need to conserve RAM
04:58.34shogunxbnovc, you have to load the module too... hold on, ill look on a apache2 box.
04:58.38Vasisthanetgod: if I close and reopen everyone gets shuffled... what's annoying is when several people are having a conversation and they're all the same color and have similar-length nicks.  But what's really annoying about konversation is the line buffer scrolling flickers
04:58.45C|intthats cool.. glad for changes, :)
04:58.49Dwoniswhich... how the _hell_ does Firefox use more resources than a KDE app?
04:58.56C|intI mean, more powe to anyone, that makes something better right? :)
04:59.00pbryanDumb question (I think ... IANA newbie!): What kernel to use with Athlon 64?
04:59.03netgodVasistha: and you use konversation instead of bitchx why?
04:59.56Vasisthanetgod: haven't tried bitchx, I guess that's next.
04:59.56C|into.o
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04:59.57netgodDwonis: probably by leaking memory on badly written pages
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04:59.59Dwonisnetgod: might be, though I don't think it's page-specific.
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05:00.03C|intso, anyone know, do I have to like.. set more tings up, I got this on slackware said, about ACer Aspire 3610, actual model is.. Acer ASpire 3613 WLCi,
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05:00.09shogunxbnovc, look in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
05:00.10Dwonisnetgod: I *do* have a bunch of extensions installed, and a ton of bookmarks
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05:00.26bnovcshogunx, i realized it uninstalled mod-php
05:00.29bnovci'm installing it now
05:00.31netgodhm the extensions might matter
05:00.37bnovcshogunx, thanks
05:00.40shogunxbnovc, you will need the mod-php for apache2
05:00.46bnovcshogunx, yep i know :)
05:00.49shogunxok
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05:01.09Dwonisnetgod: by a ton, I mean that "bzip2 -9c bookmarks.html | wc -c" returns 545485
05:01.35C|intDrewpster, , you must be busy, eh old friend?
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05:01.55netgodDwonis: even if it keeps that in ram, thats only like 4MB right?
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05:02.13Drewpsterwanna sus this xchat out
05:02.25Dwonisnetgod: I'm not entirely sure that it's just RAM.  I think it might be disk I/O, to be honest
05:02.28Drewpstergonna see if i can send you a file securely
05:02.30darkness_Hi, quick question. Does debian (sarge) use IPsec stack?
05:02.31Dwonisnetgod: it really doesn't get along with vmware
05:02.35netgodoic
05:02.38Dwonisnetgod: the same goes with apt-cache search
05:02.41C|inthey, anyone know, if I have to install like, xorg, to get my 1280x800 resolution?
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05:02.50Dwonisnetgod: I think my motherboard has some bandwidth issues
05:02.55C|intor something, to activate the driver I installed, o.o
05:03.05Vasisthaoh, the other thing I like about konversation is those wonderful popups.  I don't always like popups, but these are nice.
05:03.11Drewpsterwhat OS you on C|int
05:03.17Dwonisnetgod: 3D acceleration on my Matrox card refuses to work, even though it worked on a different motherboard, etc
05:03.17C|intdebian 3.1
05:03.34bnovcshogunx, actually that didnt work
05:03.38C|intsarge, build
05:03.47bnovcphp5.load is in mods-enabled
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05:04.28Drewpsteri don't really but i'm sure if there is a way you'll find it
05:04.32C|inte
05:04.34Vasisthait's not a window, it's more like a tooltip
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05:04.38C|intI'm going to install, acer_acpi
05:04.46C|intI think that will help me out alot :-)
05:05.04Vasisthait appears in the corner out of the way, I can read the thing or not, it goes away after some number of seconds I specified.
05:05.18netgodVasistha: oh ok
05:05.27shogunxbnovc, did you restart apache?
05:05.33bnovcshogunx, yes sir
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05:05.59Drewpsteri'm glad i found you in here Clint
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05:06.01shogunxwhat about php5.conf?
05:06.05justinmDwonis
05:06.05Dwonis"freelancer has quit" ... he wasn't hired in the first place!
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05:06.09bnovcshogunx, its in mods-enabled
05:06.14justinmyou think that would be ok in a corporate enviroment? tmda
05:06.20Drewpsteri was hopng I would cos I know how much you wanna use linux loll
05:06.28C|intI'll be glad when I get , Acer Laptop looking sweet, running wireless, then all acer laptop people users, will be like.. oh cool. I can watc a video on it, and from website, via flash, avi, mpeg, high definition , quicktie, etc,, because Clint took, TechSmith Camtasia Studio, and showed them how it was done, not told them to google or wiki it :-)
05:06.36Dwonisjustinm: that would be something to ask management, wouldn't it?
05:06.51shogunxbnovc, hmmm... hold on.
05:07.02netgodask management a technical question?  sounds questionable to me
05:07.03C|intme to drewpy, me too :)
05:07.21Dwonisnetgod: it sounded more like a workflow question than a technical question
05:07.41Dwonisnetgod: and I don't necessarily mean ask *your* management, but the managers of the people who have to use the email system
05:07.53C|inthey  guys, what you think this would mean I would have ot install, probably I don't have modules running in my kernel yet, No support for device type: battery
05:08.07C|intshould I install, acer_acpi eh?
05:08.12Drewpstercatch Clint
05:08.15Dwonisnetgod: or perhaps it's a PR issue, i.e. how the company interacts with the outside world
05:08.18Drewpstertestfile
05:08.24C|inttestfile?
05:08.36shogunxbnovc, you have this Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load   in apache2.conf?
05:08.38C|intI'm gettin ready to remove KDE from my debian 3.1 installation I just did yesterday :D
05:08.41Drewpstertest the send fiel
05:08.45Dwonisjustinm: can you be more specific with your question?  There are a *lot* of things to consider in a "corporate environment".
05:08.52C|intits not too acer hardware friendly, is all drewpy, why I don't use it,
05:08.59bnovcshogunx, yes
05:09.05C|intand gnome is faster and fluxbox and enlightenment than kde is for me drewpy
05:09.16Drewpsteri wanna send you a fricken file man
05:09.38C|intwell, I told you, eh I kind of flashed my ex cable provider, although we still have cable :)
05:09.44Drewpsterthis program has SSL
05:09.51pbryanDumb question (I think ... IANA newbie!): What 32-bit kernel to use with Athlon 64?
05:10.02pbryanSafe to use -k7?
05:10.04C|intdrewpy, I"m tryin to get, my 1280x800 for laptop :-)
05:10.10pbryanBetter to use -686?
05:10.12darkness_Is there ever any deb conferences in the uk like DEBCONF?
05:10.18C|intyes pbryan
05:10.22Drewpsterpbryan, use the 64 bit versions of something like knoppix
05:10.25netgodheh good name
05:10.29C|intthat I do believe, is for 64 bit systems :-)
05:10.33simonrvndarklee: it changes country year to year
05:10.36pbryanAssuming I must use mainstream 32-bit kernel, which one would be best?
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05:10.55Supaplex..
05:11.04shogunxbnovc, try a2enmod
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05:11.13darkleeok
05:11.18simonrvndarkness_: ^^
05:11.21darkness_Would a newb/intermidiate knowledge person get anything out of going?
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05:11.28DrewpsterClint did you accept the file offer i gave you
05:11.33C|inthey netgod , I forgot command agian, to remove kde from debian, apt-get remove kde right,
05:11.36Dwonisdarkness_: free stuff? ;-)
05:11.38darkness_simonrvn :-)
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05:11.47C|intdrewpy, I can't see chit
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05:11.50netgodclint: dunno
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05:13.10shogunxbnovc, noshit.  your php requires php5, or will 4 work?
05:13.16C|intthats okay, I'll figure it out m8
05:13.18shogunxyour scripts i mean.
05:13.19Drewpstercan you send me something
05:13.21bnovcshogunx, 5
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05:13.42Dwonis!tell shogunx about my
05:13.46Dwonisshogunx: ;-)
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05:14.12zu22netsplit?
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05:14.29zu22can anyone see me?
05:14.33Dwoniszu22: some freenode server is probably using Norton Antivirus
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05:14.38zu22Dwonis: haha
05:14.40pbryanMan, netsplit madness.
05:14.44shogunxDwonis, the php app/script he is running is site specific, but ok.
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05:14.54Dwoniszu22: so any time somebody types "startkeylogger", the whole node goes down
05:14.57netgodDwonis: lol
05:14.57C|inthum
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05:15.09C|intI tried, apt-get remove kde, thinkin that would do it, before even asking, but eh, didn't eh
05:15.17C|intbe back,
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05:15.29zu22Dwonis: our local cable weather station (shows radar map 24x7) had the Norton AntiVirus update pop up on the screen and i saved a few seconds of it on a VHS tape hehe
05:15.43shogunxbnovc, ok.  checklist.  module there and enabled.  apache restarted.  browser cache maybe?
05:15.47Drewpstermaybe it's apt-get remove kde3 or kdm
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05:15.53bnovcshogunx, i tried multiple browsers and computers
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05:16.04bnovcshogunx, i'll ask in #apache on efnet later i'm sure they know
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05:16.08bnovctoo tired to bother at the moment
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05:16.14shogunxbnovc, apache restared with apache2ctl?
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05:16.22bnovcshogunx, yep
05:16.27stonehold!one-liner nvidia
05:16.28shogunxbnovc, ok.  sorry i could not solve it for you.
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05:16.39bnovcthats ok, thanks for trying man
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05:17.01stoneholdshogunx:  what was the command for the nvidia oneliner?
05:17.05liable!tell stonehold about nvidia oneliner
05:17.34C|intlol. I fixed my own sources.list
05:17.35stoneholdthank you all.  thank you thank you thank you.
05:17.45C|intand last year I would of told ya, whats sources.list O>O
05:17.50C|int:D
05:17.59stoneholdit worked on my test partition, so i need to put it on my main one.
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05:18.03Dwoniszu22: I remember, probably about 10 years ago, in a motel somewhere, changing to one of those "TV guide" channels, and seeing the Amiga "Software Failure." message
05:18.07C|inti sure love,    su , then  gedit  /etc/apt/sources.list   :-)
05:18.19zu22Dwonis: heh
05:18.20C|intI'm thinking of adding sudo into my debian system :)
05:18.26Dwoniszu22: then watching the system boot up, and somebody enter some commands that they were obviously getting over the phone
05:18.42C|intoh wait, I actually did that, erm.. Yesterday...
05:18.47zu22Dwonis: funny stuff
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05:19.29ehaaseis it me or does evolution quit unexpectedly somewhat often?
05:19.52justinmDwonis
05:19.53Dwoniszu22: It would have been funnier to see some cracktro show up before the software loaded
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05:19.57C|intokay, what i doing now netgod , is, apt-get remove kdelibs
05:20.01mythicahowcome I cant mount //hostname/
05:20.04justinmthis would break all the newsletter subscriptions and stuff that people at work have
05:20.04zu22Dwonis: haha y
05:20.07zu22ya
05:20.08mythicabut i cant mount /hostname/share/
05:20.11C|intlooks to me, with the output, that kde-core kdelibs will be removed so.. :-)
05:20.15mythicacan*
05:20.38Dwonisjustinm: which is I have a fairly convoluted system... to keep my mailing list subscriptions working
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05:21.00justinmhow could this work for 150 users then
05:21.17C|intjustin, o.o
05:21.20Dwonisjustinm: You could still deploy tmda, as a last resort, but you'd have to do a non-trivial conversion process
05:21.45Dwoniss/conversion/transition
05:21.53simonrvneh, tmda isn't liked by a lot of people. fair warning
05:22.02justinmdarn
05:22.09Dwonissimonrvn: isn't liked... why?
05:22.12justinmi need to defeat spam already
05:22.15Drewpsterget outta your own way
05:22.35C|intoh and hey, Dwonis , or Drewpster , or anyone, do you guys think you could help me with my synaptics touchpad problem, I can't tap and move things, is all :-)
05:22.40Drewpsteruse a complicated email address
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05:22.43netgodclint: youre a lisp developer?
05:23.02simonrvnchallenge-response mta s/w get a fair amount of admins annoyed
05:23.08netgodwhat does it take to become a debian developer?  sounds like fun  :-)
05:23.11Dwonisjustinm: personally, I'd make it an option that's available for users, but they have to activate it themselves
05:23.18Drewpsteri can't even send youa file C|int
05:23.21C|intSystems Engineer, Network Engineer *, trying to integrate my way back with debian, only been a linux user testing , since spring of 2004
05:23.39C|intwell, , I'm independant all the way, so it doesn't matter,
05:23.55Dwonisjustinm: then they'll only do it once they're sick of spam, and they'll be responsible for ensuring that their mailing lists, etc. will be whitelisted
05:24.06C|intbtw Drewpster , I'm going get that vmware installed, so I can work with my, 3d cad modeling software, rhino3d, and maxon :-)
05:24.21justinmDwonis would they do it through a web interface
05:24.23Dwonisjustinm: which means you don't bother even setting it up until there's significant interest, but it's something to keep in the back of your mind for when things get unmanageable
05:24.26C|intwhen I' run vmvware, I'll just be in fluxbox, so I can have lots of power :-)
05:24.31justinmmy users are way to retarded to ever use a shell
05:24.34Dwonisjustinm: *how* they do it would be up to you
05:24.39C|inteh, be just like, eh, linux box :)
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05:24.50C|intoh lol
05:24.51Drewpstercatch Clintyeah cool
05:24.59netgodthey dont make users like they used to, either  :-)
05:25.00Drewpsteryeah cool*
05:25.04C|intpeople just need to read abit :)
05:25.15Dwonisjustinm: for only 150 people, you could even do it manually, depending on interest and how much time you have available
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05:25.37C|intsoon, I'll make it, so you can ask your computer a question. or have it do things, for you.. with voice recognition, integrated into linux , or unix :D
05:25.43Dwonissimonrvn: can you clarify that?  "annoyed" why, exactly?
05:25.51netgodClint: "fire phasers?"
05:25.53C|intdrewpy, I can't,
05:25.55justinmmy users are bad...
05:26.07Dwonissimonrvn: frankly some admins get annoyed way too easily.
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05:26.23justinmDwonis i get pissed at my users too easily now as well
05:26.25DwonisI've seen admins who get jumpy every time some random port scan hits their network
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05:27.14netgodis there such a thing as a friendly, peaceful random port scan?
05:27.16justinmmaybe we should rev dns everything that comes in
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05:27.40Drewpstermy external router is not allowing me to make NAT rules like it used to, i may have to reset it
05:27.46shogunxi bet.
05:27.47Dwonisnetgod: what's wrong with a port scan?
05:27.59simonrvndwar: mainly because they tend to generate more e-mail traffic than they stop
05:28.00Drewpsteri can't use my PC as a DMZ properly
05:28.05simonrvndwar: sorry
05:28.09simonrvnDwonis: ^^
05:28.40netgodDwonis: nothing, technically --- but i wouldnt want to say that to a .mil admin
05:28.44Dwonissimonrvn: right, but as a user I couldn't give a damn about *traffic*.  what I'm concerned about is the *time* I spend dealing with spam
05:29.00DrewpsterC|int, have you found a way around using FT on lin ?
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05:29.32Dwonisnetgod: here's an example.  I brought a laptop to my (former) university, and plugged into the network (which we're allowed to do).  Since I had just installed Debian on the box, I SSH'd to my server at home and ran a port scan on the laptop.
05:29.45Dwonisnetgod: next day, my home internet connection is down
05:29.59Dwonisnetgod: it turns out, some idiot admin had an *automated* program that emails my ISP
05:30.14netgodDwonis: geez
05:30.26bnovcshogunx, it seems to be working now, i dont have mysql support anymore though
05:30.31netgodgotta admire the admin tho, that takes a lot of hacking to make it so he doesnt have to lift a finger anymore
05:30.36bnovcit gives me undefined mysql_connect yet i have php5-mysql installed
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05:30.38Dwonisnetgod: if I were the ISP, and this happened a lot, I'd have filed a class-action suit against those fools
05:30.39netgodhe must be a dedicated avoider of work
05:31.13VasisthaDwonis: yeah, but it probably doesn't happen very much!
05:31.13Dwonisnetgod: what's worse, is that when I went to have a chat with the university network admins, they told me that "port scans are not allowed on our network"
05:31.27Dwonisnetgod: so I asked where I could find this policy, because I had looked before and I couldn't find it
05:31.46Dwonisnetgod: Answer: oh, we don't actually publish it
05:32.10DwonisVasistha: it happens enough that somebody decided to automate it, right?
05:32.14netgodhmpf
05:32.37Dwonisnetgod: I wish I'd have seen the email, just to threaten then with a libel case
05:32.46VasisthaDwonis: yeah, I guess so.  but perhaps most of them are malicious portscans
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05:33.06VasisthaDwonis: ...which don't merit complaints from the scanning individuals to the university
05:33.21shogunxbnovc, did you change mysql at all?  like from 4 to 5?
05:33.27bnovci have php5-mysql installed but i'm getting undefined mysql_connect
05:33.28netgodi hope they apologized, but i'd also bet they left the automation in place
05:33.31bnovcshogunx, what do you mean?
05:33.34ansongi'm trying to get gpg-agent running. when i start kgpg it says that "the agent does not seem to be running." my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf has 'use-agent' set. what am i missing?
05:33.40DwonisVasistha: My point is that the university is sluffing the work of investigating these things onto the ISPs
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05:33.59DwonisVasistha: who, quite frankly, have enough *legitimate* complaints to deal with
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05:34.10Nopalinhow can i know what version of xorg i have installed?
05:34.15bnovcshogunx, ore mod_access mod_auth mod_log_config mod_logio mod_env mod_setenvif prefork http_core mod_mime mod_status mod_autoindex mod_negotiation mod_dir mod_alias mod_so mod_cgi mod_php5 mod_rewrite mod_userdir
05:34.26VasisthaDwonis: yes, it would be good for the university to track down the portscan before filing a complaint with an isp
05:34.27bnovcnot seeing anything mysql'y in phpinfo
05:34.35DwonisAnd anyway, my opinion is that if you are answering SYN packets, then you shouldn't complain about people probing for that behaviour
05:35.10shogunxbnovc, i have php5 and cgi on apache2 with mysql5 working ok here.
05:35.14netgodthe isp may have investigated, found there was indeed portscanning packets involved, and decided this was against THEIR acceptable use policy too -- 99.9% of people doing that are malicious hackers
05:35.15C|intoh and, I was talking with FreeBSD users other day, and they said, well, can't really run VMware, howver I looked into it, and seen that VMware for linux runs faster on FreeBSD faster than on linux, so eh, is that just 1 users opinion , and Statisticly  proven?
05:35.23C|intnetgod, , kde-base, kde-core etc.. has to be removed, then everything should remove too
05:35.27C|intbe back, I'll let you know the good or bad news, when I get done doing some modifications :-)
05:35.32shogunxbnovc, do an apt-cache search php mysql and make sure you are not missing a package.
05:35.35C|intor maybe I should give kde a chance, o.o
05:35.36bnovcshogunx, php works fine with php5-cli just not the apache one
05:35.39C|intI'm sorry though, I just like stable GUI environments :-)
05:35.41bnovcshogunx, i did that :
05:35.44DwonisVasistha: I was also mad because my parents (who aren't techies) didn't believe me when I told them that port scanning was standard practice.  i.e. I suffered a loss due to the university's negligence
05:35.56servusbnovc:  Did you symlink /etc/apache2/mods-available/*php* to etc/apache2/mods-enabled?
05:36.04shogunxbnovc, thats how i solved it... hmm.  trying to remember...
05:36.06bnovcservus, i copied them into it
05:36.08bnovcand restarted
05:36.19servusAnd did you check your error log?
05:36.25VasisthaDwonis: yeah... if you don't have a rapport of high trust with your parents, that can be sticky
05:36.26DwonisVasistha: I'm not so bitter at the university anymore (I've graduated, I no longer care about that place), but as an IT professional, I find their behaviour embarassing
05:36.29bnovcservus, apache?
05:36.36servusOh it's a PHP problem, I see :)
05:36.46bnovcservus, its a debian + php5 problem
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05:37.43VasisthaDwonis: well, I think that a person working in almost any industry can be embarassed at his peers
05:37.43servusDoes your /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini have extension=mysql.so in it?
05:37.43VasisthaDwonis: that is, a person with integrity
05:37.46DwonisVasistha: heh.  indeed
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05:38.10DwonisIn any case, that was just an example of why I don't *necessarily* care that some behaviour "annoys admins"
05:38.12davishello
05:38.20Dwonisbecause some admins live in their own little worlds
05:38.35VasisthaDwonis: and it's too bad society is in such a poor state; even within specialized industries, a large portion of the so-called professionals lack knowledge and have little integrity
05:38.52bnovcservus, no but i dont think it should, it should be compiled with it..
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05:39.15bnovcservus, it works fine with php5-cli
05:39.18bnovcjust not with normal
05:39.30DwonisVasistha: It's not so much "society" that's in a poor state... well, it's better than before, apparently, but I just don't think that there's really any known way of segmenting idiots from non-idiots
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05:39.44VasisthaDwonis: hahaa!
05:39.52devsforevHow do you display all installed packages again?
05:39.54Dwonisespecially since "idiots" is rather subjective (except *my* notion of idiots, which is absolute)
05:40.00simonrvnyeh there is. put them on /ignore ;p
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05:40.07Dwonissimonrvn: hah!
05:40.21davisi am trying to setup udev on debian.  When I install it, it says Populating the new /dev filesystem temporarily mounted on /tmp/udev.2HJ0Bc/... ... subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
05:40.25servusPut it in. My PHP5/Apache2/MySQL installation on Debian requires extension=mysql.so
05:40.28davisplease advise
05:40.37VasisthaDwonis: well, my Dad wrote a paper that touches on some of these subjects, and it leads me to believe that it's at least possible to make more people non-idiots
05:40.50servusbnovc:  php5-cli has nothing to do with php5-apache. They are separate packages
05:41.00bnovcservus, yea i know, but it works with php5-cli
05:41.09chron1chello
05:41.11servusI don't care. They are separate packages, separate config files, and different executables.
05:41.22bnovcservus, ok, any ideas how to get this one working?
05:41.30bnovci was about to just force apache to use the cli executable
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05:41.39DwonisVasistha: heh.  The thing is that, if we continued this discussion, we'd probably find that we both think the other is an idiot.
05:41.45C|intwell  netgod ,
05:41.47simonrvnuh, you don't want to do that
05:41.47chron1cis there anyone who may be able to help with debian and sendmail  relaying outgoing mail through smtp at godaddy?
05:41.58simonrvnbnovc: uh, you don't want to do that
05:42.07bnovcsimonrvn, any other ideas?
05:42.12Dwonissimonrvn: what do you mean, it'll be fun!
05:42.16VasisthaDwonis: isn't it sad how so many of us take sides and jump to conclusions so quickly?
05:42.20C|intI'm removing everything related to KDE, and imagine that, I use to really like KDE, thats until it just kept on crashing, and not working good especially on my laptop, I wasn't even into the gnome environment.. however things changed :-)
05:42.25servusPut extension=mysql.so into /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini... and make sure that mysql.so exists in your extension_dir (/usr/lib/php5/20051025/mysql.so for me)
05:42.29simonrvnDwonis: for the cracker, sure
05:43.01VasisthaC|int: sarge/etch/sid ?
05:43.02bnovcservus, i'm fairly sure extension= is for windows dll loading; you have that in your php.ini?
05:43.03Dwonissimonrvn: eh? I never even thought of that.  I actually don't expect the cli executable to even work.  Doesn't it lack HTTP header output or something?
05:43.17C|intbe back :-)
05:43.20servus... Put it in!
05:43.25Dwonisbnovc: extensions are for Linux too.
05:43.33bnovcDwonis, but they're compiled in linux..
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05:43.37servusI refuse to help any more until you try the suggestions already offered.
05:43.40bnovci will try though
05:43.46bnovchold on, aptitude is running
05:43.52Dwonisbnovc: not with the offical Debian packages
05:43.59Dwonisbnovc: e.g.: extension=mysql.so
05:44.00servusmysql.so. so = shared object. shared objects are the Linux parallel to Windows DLLs.
05:44.05chron1cany sendmail experts?
05:44.11sussudio_!expert
05:44.11dpkgan expert is someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. an "ex"-- someone who *used* to know what he was talking about, and "spurt", a big drip...well, perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas
05:44.54vasundhardpkg I guess then I can never be an expert :(
05:44.54chron1cok does anyone think they know more about setting up sendmail than me and want to try and help?
05:45.05Vasisthahow can dpkg be so funny?
05:45.08Dwonisegad... I think I know what this refers to: " perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas"
05:45.14chron1cyeah he had me rolling
05:45.16simonrvnDwonis: it isn't meant to be web accessible
05:45.16chron1c:|
05:45.29vasundharHe is an expert so he can be unpredictable and funny.
05:45.54chron1ci tried the sendmail channel but nobody talks in there
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05:46.05Dwonissimonrvn: that's what I mean.  It won't work... with Apache
05:46.21Vasisthachron1c: some of those channels... you have to just post a question and leave and come back in an hour, maybe someone's answered it
05:46.23justinmchron1c, I think that's because they're all busy setting up postfix
05:46.25Dwonissimonrvn: you'd need the cgi executable, fastcgi (if that exists), or mod_php
05:46.34simonrvnit isn't secure to use either, and i think it does work, can't recall exeactly
05:46.34Dwonissimonrvn: but you already know that
05:47.26Vasisthachron1c: and when I say "leave", I mean ... leave the tab/window/pane/whatever open, just not pay attention to it
05:47.34chron1cwow.. so does anyone want to visit my brand spankin new debian webserver? with a fresh install from two days ago
05:47.39Dwonissimonrvn: isn't secure to use what?  (PHP in general?  probably...)
05:47.55chron1cit only has the legend of the green dragon game on it until i can fix sendmail...
05:48.01simonrvnthat too, but i meant php*-cli
05:48.08servusLegend of the, um, green, dragon?
05:48.10Vasisthachron1c: as exciting as that sounds, I tend to visit sites based on content ! hehe
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05:48.29chron1cthere is a cool background poic i made in photoshop for it
05:48.34chron1cat least ther is art there...
05:48.41chron1ceven if it's only one pic for now
05:48.44Vasisthachron1c: oops, I should have said that *before* you said what was on the site
05:48.48Dwonischron1c: what about Lynx users, you insensitive jerk!
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05:48.58chron1clol
05:49.12shogunxor folks who telnet to port 80?
05:49.17DigitalStimuluscan anyone point me to a good source (.tar.gz/bz2) to binary package (.deb) walkthrough?
05:49.29chron1clynx is sucky lol compared to firefox
05:49.30DwonisDigitalStimulus: debian/rules binary
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05:49.45chron1cwhy would you telnet to port 80?
05:49.46Vasisthalynx is wonderful when you can't get X up and don't know why
05:50.07DigitalStimulusDwonis: ?
05:50.19shogunxchron1c, lynx is handy to browse from a host halfway across the continent too.
05:50.28EdLinelinks > lynx
05:50.29DwonisDigitalStimulus: or, su -c 'apt-get build-dep foo' && dpkg-source -x foo.dsc && cd foo && debian/rules binary
05:50.39justinmwhen is etch going to become stable
05:50.41netgodchron1c: to see if your apache modules are loading?
05:50.47shogunxtelnet to 80?  it was a joke, actually, but it does work.
05:50.51chron1cyeah i guess if you hate pictures lynx is good
05:50.54EdLinjustinm: the current schedule is by December '06
05:51.02Vasisthajustinm: last I heard, december
05:51.08DwonisDigitalStimulus: there might be a tutorial, I don't know, but it's not really that difficult
05:51.11chron1cwhat about my apache modules?
05:51.22SubStackall browsers suck
05:51.23justinmI will be old by then, but neat
05:51.27chron1cohiopctech.com
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05:51.39SubStackand computer suck too
05:51.41DwonisDigitalStimulus: install the dependencies, extract tha package (using dpkg-source), then change to the directory and run "fakeroot debian/rules"
05:51.43VasisthaSubStack: there's some truth in that... none of them passed the acid2 css test when it was first released
05:51.49chron1cDON'T BREAK IT! haha
05:51.49DwonisDigitalStimulus: "fakeroot debian/rules binary", that is
05:51.53SubStackbut mostly, they just suck
05:51.58VasisthaSubStack: as for the computers... yeah, I'd agree with that too
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05:52.05dserbanHow can I go about debugging the debianized version of the nvidia driver, 3d acceleration isn't working.
05:52.08netgodchron1c: if you send "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" by telnet to port 80 and hit enter twice, you can see what software the webserver is running
05:52.08Dwonischron1c: oh, well if we can't break it, what fun is that?
05:52.23DwonisI bet nobody here can hack this box: ohiopctech.com
05:52.40DigitalStimulusDwonis: basically i'd like to take a much much more updated software version and make a package out of it to install... i am not sure the dependencies, but i am running an older version
05:52.44chron1cdon't challenge my box
05:52.44chron1cgeez
05:52.46SubStackthat's because you have to give us a root shell first
05:52.52netgodheheh
05:53.00DwonisDigitalStimulus: did you try backports?
05:53.15bnovcservus, adding it did not help
05:53.18DigitalStimulusDwonis: no, what's that?
05:53.29Dwonis!tell DigitalStimulus about backports
05:53.33DigitalStimulusif it's not in the repository, i'm clueless :0)
05:53.34Vasisthachron1c: whoa, man, hard to read that text against that contrasty background... long load time, too. but cool
05:53.48chron1cthanks you
05:53.51Dwonischron1c: it looked ok until the background loaded
05:54.10chron1cyeah, that is just a temp page
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05:54.29Dwonisheh: "The owner of this web site DOES NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK!"
05:54.44Dwonis"If you want to report something about this host's behavior, please SHUT THE FUCK UP."
05:54.54chron1chmm...
05:55.05VasisthaDwonis: unfortunately, the owners of myspace.com have that same attitude
05:55.10bnovcservus / simonrvn any other ideas?
05:55.21shogunxthat background looks like something my cat shit after drinking too much milk.
05:55.42chron1cum, i did the background in photoshop this morning
05:55.48VasisthaI rather thought it looked like some kind of microscopic zoom on some type of cellular matter
05:55.53chron1c<- old school sysop
05:55.56shogunxahh.  would have been better had you used gimp.
05:56.02chron1cran a bbs in dayton, ohio
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05:56.21Vasisthachron1c: nice, man. I was a bbser, those days were wonderful
05:56.28shogunxchron1c, i ran a hacked dialup network of 45000 users in daytona beach.  how similar:)
05:56.28chron1cit was called .star.one.
05:56.41DigitalStimulusgah, i'll just wait for the package maintainer to update it, heh
05:56.45Dwoniscreative commons by-nc-sa... can I complain that it's non-free, or is that reserved for -legal?
05:56.51beefIs there a standardised mechanism for manipulating lock files under linux?  Like a system call or utility or something?
05:57.29DwonisI ran a BBS that had 3 users, ran on a single 2400 baud modem, and was coded from scratch in AmigaBASIC
05:57.40chron1cshould i run the harden packages through apt-get? would it break my server after i set it up?
05:57.43DwonisI probably still have the code somewhere
05:57.44howdyhoesimonrvn
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05:57.59EdLinI ran Maximus, multitasking with Desqview-386, and did a lot of FidoNet stuff
05:58.00Vasisthayeah, the weirdest thing that came out of those bbs days is that a sysop in his 30s or 40s molested an 11-year old girl, and a number of us really should have been suspicious about their relationship.
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05:58.14shogunxchron1c, is that like a mud?  legend of the green dragon?
05:58.20simonrvnwhat?
05:58.22servusbnovc:  Did you check your error logs?
05:58.28chron1cyes, it's an online strategy
05:58.39chron1cit's pretty cool, an old bbs door port to the www
05:58.43bnovcservus, nothing related; its ok i need to head to bed, thanks
05:58.46howdyhoesimonrvn: lol heyas
05:58.50EdLindon't you mean "legend of the *red* dragon"?
05:58.52howdyhoe!slashdott
05:58.52justinmhow can you dudes play stuff like that when there are games like WoW around
05:58.52dpkgSlashdott Headline (10 shown): Horizontal elevator plans scrapped ;; Masturbation proven to cure cancer! ;; Small nuclear reaction from mixing Coke & Pepsi kills 3 ;; GAMP taking the world by storm ;; Bin Laden uses AOL ;; 486 Overclocked to 2.1Ghz ;; Overclockers causing global warming? ;; Canada invades U.S.A. ;; Microsoft buys Earth for $6.8 trillion ;; Top 10 Top 10 lists.
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05:59.08Dwonislol
05:59.13Vasisthajustinm: what about minesweeper...
05:59.15chron1ci put it up to rmeind me of my SysOp daYS :D
05:59.30chron1cremind*
05:59.32howdyhoesimonrvn: long time
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06:00.13dserbandserban@hydra:~$ glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)"
06:00.14dserbanserver glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
06:00.14dserbanserver glx version string: 1.4
06:00.14dserbanclient glx vendor string: SGI
06:00.14dserbanclient glx version string: 1.4
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06:00.23dserbanoops :(
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06:01.06dserbancouple too many :s, anyway can anyone help with this?  Not sure which links go where with the driver (for the libs) (and sorry for the span)
06:01.09servusdserban:  | tr -d '\n' :)
06:01.25chron1ci hate smtp email relaying :((
06:01.32dserbanspam*
06:01.38chron1ci  have been trying to get it going for 3 days
06:01.42dserbanservus, heh sorry :)
06:01.53justinmanyone defeat those new jpg spams going around
06:01.55chron1call i want to do is send mail from the logd game
06:02.02chron1cfor passwords and stuff
06:02.05justinmthey embed the entire spam message in a jpg and put padding to make it look legit
06:02.05servusdserban:  Err, what's the problem? Your NVidia card should be using driver "nvidia" (not "nv") in the XF86Config
06:02.22justinmmost of them are a paragraph from lord of the rings
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06:02.36dserbanservus, it is.  but 3d acceleration is bunk.  direct rendering isn't enabled if I run glxinfo
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06:03.11chron1cHEY! go check out the game that's on the server... logd.opc2.com
06:03.12Dwonisdserban: nvidia doesn't support DRI.  That might have something to do with it (or it might not)
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06:03.19servusI haven't used Linux on an nvidia card for a long, time but can you lsmod | grep -i nv and/or modprobe nvidia?
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06:03.53dserbanDwonis, I don't know, seems that I followed all the steps set out using the debian package.
06:04.03dserbanservus, yes, the module is loaded (nvidia)
06:04.18servusPost your XF86Config to http://rafb.net/paste/ ?
06:04.28chron1coh crap :|
06:04.32chron1chaha
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06:04.48chron1ci dont think a pentium 233 would handle slashdot traffic
06:04.55troubledsimonrvn: so...
06:05.00Dwonischron1c: heh
06:05.01servusIt's a remake? But I can already play the real LORD online :)
06:05.07troubledsimonrvn: yes, you too
06:05.21troubledsimonrvn: sorry, took a year long WoW excursion :)
06:05.26simonrvngreat. my hip's hurting again
06:05.34simonrvnWoW?
06:05.35chron1ci wthis was out before the lord remake was out for the www
06:05.37servusAlso, as for sending mail from PHP, I use (and have good luck with on varied mailserver installations), http://pear.php.net/package/Mail
06:05.41troubled!WoW
06:05.41dpkgwow is probably a word begging with a 'w', then an 'o'. It ends with a 'w'.  This means that it is reversible.  It is a useful word for situations in which you wish to imply a feeling of general wow-ness.  Best used in brackets following some other statement, like this:   Debian is the best linux distro (wow).  Also combine with exclamation marks for added wow-ity factor. (wow!!!) :)
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06:06.01simonrvnhrm
06:06.04Dwonis!yay
06:06.04dpkgyay!
06:06.06troubledwhat are the odds lol. you know its big when
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06:06.22dserbanservus, running xorg, and no I haven't pasted it ;) the thing is, I know more than enough regarding the xorg.conf file :s and I've double/triple checked it
06:06.41troubledhrmm, no new memos. yup, same old freenode
06:06.47shogunx<PROTECTED>
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06:06.56servusWell I don't want to use my daily mindreading to view your xorg.conf vicariously. *shrug*
06:07.06troubledglad to see google got my irc(photo album) archived still for me :)
06:07.18chron1cmind read my sendmail.mc file and tell me whats wrong
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06:07.27Supaplexit's sendmail.
06:07.30chron1c:))
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06:07.32shogunxhehe
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06:07.49chron1cwhat should i use to relay mail from the box to a smtp server?
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06:07.54qbitanyone use any kinda speech recognition software for linux?
06:07.54chron1cinstead of sendmail
06:07.55Dwonisdammit.  whose brilliant idea was it to make ^W mean either "backspace word" or "close window"?
06:07.55Denmaethi need some help i screwed my wireless internet conection up
06:08.00troubledsimonrvn: hip? grandpa!
06:08.03Supaplex!start an mta war
06:08.03dpkgsendmail rulez
06:08.10Supaplexwrong! :P
06:08.13pilgrimI've got port 22 open on my server. When I try to connect to it from my laptop, I get a "connection refused error". netstat -tnat says (One of the lines): "tcp6 0   0     :::22    :::*    Listen"  I'm affraid my machine was compromised somehow. How do I solve this problem (and hopefully out the "compromised" theory)
06:08.13dserbanservus, heh I can paste it no problem, I just know it's not the issue... i have library link problems :(
06:08.22simonrvneh?
06:08.38troubledsimonrvn: your the one with the replacement hip!
06:08.44simonrvntroh, yeh. i think i got it while riding out to kahnawake ...
06:09.00Dwonispilgrim: firewalling?
06:09.01troubledsimonrvn: horseback?
06:09.12Dwonispilgrim: or IPv6 setup problems?
06:09.22simonrvnprobably related to an old childhood injury
06:09.25pilgrimDwonis, I didn't setup a firewall.
06:09.25troubledsimonrvn: btw, hows psg holdin out?
06:09.27Dwonispilgrim: I don't think anything you posted indicates system compromise
06:09.31pilgrimDwonis, and "it used to work"
06:09.32troubled!piggy
06:09.32dpkgPiggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org
06:09.32simonrvnbike (bicycle)
06:09.33Dwonispilgrim: I mean uptables
06:09.37Dwonispilgrim: iptables
06:09.44simonrvnstill there
06:09.54pilgrimDwonis, what about iptables. I didn't change anything.
06:10.02troubledrofl, i knew abrotman was the new whore
06:10.09troubledi could just tell
06:10.14simonrvndon't see much of sussudio but still around
06:10.20pilgrimDwonis, another thing is that nmap doesn't show any open ports either
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06:10.47Denmaethwhat does /etc/network/interfaces:2: misplaced option  mean
06:10.47simonrvnas you folks may have guessed, troubled here is an old-timer
06:10.47Dwonispilgrim: the line you specified means that some app is using IPv6
06:10.47Dwonispilgrim: "some app" probably being sshd
06:10.49pilgrimDwonis, netstat says there are open port though. Also I tried to ssh from localhost, that worked
06:11.02troubledcool. been ages
06:11.03servusdserban:  Erm?
06:11.07pilgrimDwonis, yeah, and it's clearly listening on port 22
06:11.26troubledi aint that old yet
06:11.27Dwonispilgrim: Have you ever set up an IPv6 network before?
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06:11.32shogunxpilgrim  nmap does not scan ipv6.
06:11.33simonrvnhehe
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06:11.51shogunxpilgrim, unless you tell it to.
06:11.53pilgrimDwonis, no I haven't.
06:11.53dserbanservus, the nvidia logo starts with x, meaning the nvidia driver is running, 3d acceleration is bunk though... it's not using the client opengl stuff
06:12.02Dwonispilgrim: that would explain why you're confused
06:12.03troubledsimonrvn: so, you ever make anything of that megaraid?
06:12.04justinmchron1c: use postfix
06:12.06servusHm, strange. Did you happen to install the Mesa drivers, dserban?
06:12.12pilgrimshogunx, nmap for the same machine used to show open ports
06:12.18servusMesaGL will override NVidia drivers, I think
06:12.29Supaplex!comfort chron1c
06:12.29dpkgThere, there, chron1c.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
06:12.30Dwonispilgrim: post your /etc/ssh/sshd_config somewhere
06:12.31servusActually, why does your client string say SGI?
06:12.31dserbanservus, nope.  i'll check again though
06:12.32pilgrimDwonis, phewww, So, I have a reason , huh?
06:12.40chron1cdebian installs with exim4.... why are these mail programs so damned confusing?
06:12.42simonrvntroubled: no. it kept locking up the machine :(. and the x86 i have is seriously under-powered
06:12.44servusWhat sort of funny SGI software implementation did you install? Are you using DRI?
06:12.51pilgrimDwonis, ohhh. that's going to be fun, because I'm on my laptop right now.
06:13.05pilgrimDwonis, and I can't ssh into server!
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06:13.11chron1ci couldnt get exim to config right either
06:13.11troubledsimonrvn: oh well hehe. Would have been good. Still got the dells chugin away though
06:13.12simonrvnmostly due to a lack of ram =)
06:13.14dserbanservus, :s I don't know... nope didn't install anything from sgi... they're just the guys that decided opengl was neat...
06:13.20Dwonispilgrim: you could use a paster
06:13.24Dwonis!tell pilgrim about paster
06:13.38servusAre you gonna upload your xorg.cofn?
06:13.50Dwonispilgrim: or, I'm only interested in the Port and ListenAddress lines
06:13.51troubledsimonrvn: need ram donations now? lol
06:13.52simonrvntroubled: main box is getting upgraded to a beige g3 tower
06:14.04troubled:)
06:14.06simonrvntroubled: nah, i can find some
06:14.18Dwonissimonrvn: beige?  that server is crap!
06:14.23troubledrofl
06:14.31Dwonissimonrvn: you should paint it black for more speed
06:14.50simonrvnDwonis: oh, i thought you were being serious hehehe
06:14.59pilgrimDwonis, port is 22
06:15.00Dwonissimonrvn: light colours reflect the heat inwards, causing your box to overheat
06:15.07Supaplexthe aqua one is slightly faster ;)
06:15.10Supaplexyea, that's it
06:15.22troubledDwonis: how many ppl keep there cases in direct sunlight?
06:15.22simonrvnSupaplex: yes it is (seriously)
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06:15.24Dwonissimonrvn: or maybe it's the other way around
06:15.47pilgrimDwonis, ListenAddress is commented out.
06:15.54simonrvnSupaplex: it's called a B&W, FYI (blue and white)
06:15.55Dwonispilgrim: ok, that sounds normal
06:16.01pilgrimDwonis, the whole surprise is that, it "just worked"
06:16.04Supaplex:)
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06:16.16dserbanservus, :o
06:16.30weasel_00!lvm
06:16.31dpkgi heard lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo
06:16.37Dwonispilgrim: what does "netstat -tnat | grep ':80\>' | grep LISTEN"
06:16.38simonrvnDwonis: dark colours absorb energy more
06:16.39pilgrimDwonis, then for a little time (5 hrs) I opened LDAP port and sshd port to the public.
06:16.40shogunxDwonis, hey, a beige box is handy in a pinch.
06:16.41Dwonispilgrim: oh, it works now?
06:16.42servusWhy are you asking for suggestions if you don't give enough information to answer the question?
06:16.45troubledsimonrvn: so, still pure ppc setup?
06:16.49weasel_00dpkg tell me about lvm_tutorial
06:16.53simonrvnno, though mostly
06:16.56pilgrimDwonis, no.
06:17.19dserbanbrb gonna try something
06:17.24Dwonissimon: right, you want the case to absorb the energy so that the infrared radiation from inside the case doesn't get reflected back onto the CPU
06:17.32Dwonissimon: sorry, wrong nick
06:17.34servusHehehe.
06:17.35Dwonissimonrvn: ^^
06:17.40simonrvn*nods*
06:17.52servusI guess I scared him off. I've install NVidia drivers on a dozen different Linux installations and machines, too. *Shrug*
06:18.38pilgrimDwonis,  "netstat -tnat | grep ':80\>' | grep LISTEN" >> returns>> tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN
06:18.40weasel_00when i create an LVM on a clean install do i include the drive that will have the os installed? or create the lvm with the remaining drives? (i have 6 and plan to expand it soon)
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06:18.41Dwonissimonrvn: but the best thing would probably be to adapt something like this: http://www.emfsafe.com/cellprotect.htm
06:18.42simonrvnDwonis: probably doesn't have much an effect on overall porformance, if any
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06:19.46Dwonispilgrim: sounds like it's *only* listening on IPv6
06:19.50simonrvnperform*
06:19.53simonrvnDwonis: ;)
06:20.11pilgrimDwonis, hmm...what does that mean, Doctor?
06:20.11weasel_00,sg /mickserv identify qwerty
06:20.14Dwonissimonrvn: of course, you'd also have to run Gentoo on the machine, to really make it worth it
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06:20.28Dwonisweasel_00: heh
06:20.38pilgrimDwonis, and how do you explain the fact that it worked just couple of days ago, and I didn't change anything.
06:20.49simonrvnDwonis: yeh, that would
06:20.55simonrvn!gentoosmite foo
06:20.57Dwonispilgrim: I think it's a kernel thing.
06:20.57weasel_00Dwonis: slow fingers tonight
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06:21.59troubledprolly a md5 sum of THE dictionary
06:22.17Dwonisweasel00: I originally thought you were making a joke about keymappings or something
06:22.21troubledhmm, more something that simonrvn would do though :)
06:22.21simonrvnmickserv? =)
06:22.38simonrvnthat passwd? hardly
06:22.39weasel00Dwonis : no im trying to figure out lvm on debian actually
06:22.56pilgrimDwonis, well, here is the thing, port 25 is listed under tcp and tcp6 when I do netstat -tnat. Yet when I telnet to it, says connection refuesd too.
06:22.57troubledweasel00: hello
06:23.26troubledweasel00: i dont use evms though, just LVM
06:23.31Dwonispilgrim: you probably just loaded ipv6 support into the kernel or something
06:23.44Dwonispilgrim: although it works for me...
06:23.49Dwonispilgrim: (both ipv4 and ipv6)
06:23.52weasel00troubled : i dont recall ever mentioning evms =)
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06:24.12troubledweasel00: what do you need help with?
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06:24.28pilgrimDwonis, how did I "just load" ipv6 into the kernel.
06:24.30Dwonispilgrim: actually, it should still work anyway
06:24.31weasel00when i create an LVM on a clean install do i include the drive that will have the os installed? or create the lvm with the remaining drives? (i have 6 and plan to expand it soon)
06:24.40pilgrimThis is frustrating
06:24.42afedi predict ruin
06:24.49Dwonispilgrim: It's a module, so it would get loaded automatically... but nevermind, I don't think that's it
06:24.58troubledweasel00: heres how i do it...
06:25.01DigitalStimulushmm, i'm torn between using a newer version of software that isn't really important and compiling source on a pure package based system -OR- waiting for the .deb
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06:25.14Dwonispilgrim: does "iptables -n -L" show any output?
06:25.24Dwonisafed: thanks for the help
06:25.25troubledweasel00: a small say 2gig part, and rest of drives all LVM part type
06:25.36Dwonisafed: ;)
06:25.59troubledweasel00: install the system first on the 2 gig, then drop down init 1 and make the LVM's and mount them
06:26.04pilgrimDwonis, shows like 6 lines
06:26.09troubledweasel00: then cp -xa /usr/* /mnt/usr etc...
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06:26.36Dwonispilgrim: any lines other than "Chain INPUT/FORWARD/OUTPUT" and "target prot opt ..."?
06:26.40troubledweasel00: just need to setup the fstab after that and test them before you rm -rf /usr
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06:26.47Dwonispilgrim: i.e. the headings?
06:27.06weasel00troubled : the remaining space after the 2gig part should be lvm also?
06:27.07troubledweasel00: i put /usr, /var, /tmp, /home and /opt on lvms
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06:27.22pilgrimDwonis, nope
06:27.25Dwonispilgrim: ok, run "apt-get install netcat netcat6"
06:27.32Dwonispilgrim: I don't trust telnet for debugging
06:27.33troubledweasel00: yup, heck, /tmp can stay on / if you want to save a abstraction layer
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06:27.39DigitalStimuluswill mixing packages and source make debian cry like it did SuSE?
06:27.44troubledweasel00: rather than putting it through lvm that is
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06:27.54pilgrimDwonis, install netcat on the server or client?
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06:28.01weasel00troubled : cool.. gonna give that a shot and see where i end up =)
06:28.03troubledweasel00: make sure you reboot with an lvm kernel though
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06:28.06dserbangah!!!!
06:28.12StormscapeGNAA RULES YOU
06:28.13Dwonispilgrim: the server... though you could put it on both
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06:28.15trogglol hy
06:28.18StormscapeHAI2U
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06:28.27snowrichardsomething wrong dserban?
06:28.28Dwonis!gnaa
06:28.28dpkghmm... gnaa is gay nigger anal association or something
06:28.28liable!ops Stormscape
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06:28.32weasel00troubled : im doing a clean net install of stable... would that be an issue?
06:28.35troubledlol
06:28.36troubled!gamp
06:28.36dpkgGay Asian Midget Pr0n!
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06:28.48dserbansnowrichard, meh, can't get 3d accel to work with the nvidia drivers
06:28.49tehdelyh
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06:29.07snowrichardmy nvidia drivers didn't work with TV out either
06:29.08pilgrimDwonis, now what?
06:29.11snowrichardthe vesa did
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06:29.13troubledweasel00: well, as long as you do a normal install on plain 2gig minimal you should be ok
06:29.31troubledweasel00: from there you want your lvm custom kernel running before you do the cp -xa
06:29.38Dwonispilgrim: on the server: "nc -z -v 127.0.0.1 22"
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06:30.01weasel00troubled : thats going to be uncharted waters for me =(
06:30.18Dwonispilgrim: "connection refused" or "open"?
06:30.26Dave|id~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win c
06:30.34tehdelyGOOD JOB THERE DAVE
06:30.40Dave|idheh
06:30.47Dave|idirssi went weird
06:30.52troubledweasel00: well, its fine, you can use the debian one and load lvm
06:31.04Dave|idlets try again
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06:31.09Supaplexsure, blame it on irssi. we all know it's pebcak.
06:31.13pilgrimDwonis, open
06:31.16troubledweasel00: just make sure you leave etc and /lib on / and dont "lvm'inize" tgen
06:31.21C|intxgl is nice
06:31.24Dwonispilgrim: ok, so it's listening fine then
06:31.25troubleds/tgen/them/
06:31.28snowrichardproblem exists between keyboard and chair lol
06:31.36pilgrimDwonis, the trouble being, where?
06:31.37Dwonispilgrim: try this: "nc -n -v 127.0.0.1 22"
06:31.42Dwonispilgrim: don't know yet
06:31.50troubledweasel00: aim for the big ones, /var, /usr and /home
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06:32.23pilgrimDwonis, looks like the sshd greeting.
06:32.25troubledweasel00: basically you just init 1 and resize them offline and init 2
06:32.32weasel00troubled : its going to be used as a file server at house for serving out videos, music and what not
06:32.37Dwonispilgrim: ok, so it's not a problem with ssh, then
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06:32.48Dwonispilgrim: next, replace 127.0.0.1 with your actual IP address
06:32.55pilgrimDwonis, ok
06:32.57Dwonispilgrim: but still do it from the server
06:33.05snowrichardhi unix_infidel
06:33.05pilgrimk
06:33.08troubled!nefarious
06:33.13troubled:/
06:33.46Dwonistroubled: try now
06:34.02troubledweasel00: well, if all you need is a system that you can scale with minimal downtime than you be fine with that setup
06:34.08troubled!nefarious
06:34.09dpkgmethinks nefarious is a big word that nobody except troubled uses.
06:34.15troubled:)
06:34.22pilgrimDwonis, replaced 127.... with actual IP >> same results
06:34.26troubledDwonis: and so our history begins
06:34.27Dwonispilgrim: ok, good
06:34.40Dwonispilgrim: now, how is the client connected to the server (entire path)?
06:35.08Dwonistroubled: that sounds ominous
06:35.10Dwonis!ominous
06:35.12Dwonis:/
06:35.27troubledlol
06:35.45pilgrimclient (ip 192.168.0.2) connects to the router (192.168.0.1) and router connects to the server (192.168.0.3)
06:35.59pilgrimDwonis, is that what you were looking for?
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06:36.17troggDCC SEND "STARTKEYLOGGER" 0 0 0
06:36.21troubled...
06:36.24Dwonis!ops <trogg> DCC SEND "STARTKEYLOGGER" 0 0 0
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06:36.31troggDCC SEND "STARTKEYLOGGER" 0 0 0
06:36.35troggLOL
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06:37.19pilgrimDwonis, sorry, I got disconnected.
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06:37.34troggLOL
06:37.45shogunxeat a dick trogg
06:37.53reshxedeat several
06:37.54cahootvillage idiot?
06:38.05reshxedand swallow it down with a nice cup of niggercum
06:38.09afedpardon me i think it is called a g-line
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06:38.10tralala!sing sunday
06:38.10dpkgEveryday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...
06:38.19troubledno moderation still i see
06:38.20shogunxhaha
06:38.21unix_infidelnice....
06:38.22pen1sbirdreal men use BSD
06:38.23DwonisOOH, LOOK AT ME!  I'M TROGG, LEET HAXOR WHO USES REALLY OLD EXPLOIT THAT I JUST HEARD ABOUT!  I AM SO LEET! LOL
06:38.34troggDwonis: <3
06:38.36troggDwonis: <3
06:38.40troggDwonis: lol
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06:38.46Dwonistrogg: quit flooding my screen
06:38.48pen1sbirdlinux is for niggers and chinks
06:38.57troggDCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
06:38.59Vasisthapen1sbird: thanks for sharing
06:39.00troggLOL
06:39.02C|intdpkg, , who you refering to tards, at least we here supportin debian :D
06:39.03liablehere we go...
06:39.07pen1sbirdyour welcome Vasistha
06:39.08troggDwonis: i am drunk lol
06:39.10troggDCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
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06:39.16troggLOL
06:39.18Dwonisoh shit
06:39.20pen1sbirdme2
06:39.21troggJMAX FTW
06:39.23tehdelyTHSX
06:39.23Dwonisthat's not supposed to happen
06:39.25Mr-5150I would like to update clamav without using root can anyone help me?
06:39.33pen1sbirdme2 jMax
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06:39.39C|inthey all, I'll be watching a movie, and playing Need For Speed Most wanted, then I"m going install it on Cedega, later :)
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06:39.53HorseSexLOL
06:39.56HorseSexCLEAR THIS CHAN
06:39.56blochtehdely: sup
06:39.56HorseSexCLEAR THIS CHAN
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06:40.04C|into.o
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06:40.06troubledwhy oh why doesnt tcp have a blacklist feature that reverse propagates to the origin and is honoured by routers?
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06:40.08sidWhy are these morons spamming in here...why don't they spam #freenode or something.
06:40.08C|inthacker eh?
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06:40.20troggLO
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06:40.24pilgrimwhat hte hell is going ON?
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06:40.29sid!ops what is going on
06:40.30dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: what is going on
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06:40.32C|inteh, well I hacked my cable company , only having, cable TV, etc, and on demand, if that helps :D
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06:47.46C|inthm
06:47.50troubled:/
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06:47.55C|into.o
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06:48.02troubledwhat was that all about?
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06:48.08C|intwhats going on.. o.o
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06:48.14liableheh, i wondered why it went so quiet..
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06:48.28C|inteh, time to go eat, and read books, plenty of them, hundres, better off that way, see you all
06:48.29Dwonisyay
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06:48.46Vasisthafreenode is being attacks by some dumbass crackers
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06:48.49Vasisthaattacked
06:48.53DwonisI got my own private ban... 2 of them!  I feel so special! :-)
06:48.55C|intyeah, crackers more like it :)
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06:49.11azeempfew
06:49.14troggbeep: ops plz
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06:49.15troggbeep: ops plz
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06:49.26C|intI can set up a decentralized, system , so that the person , could set ban on there hardware, more than banning ip ranges, etc,
06:49.28troggbeep: ops plz1
06:49.29troggbeep: ops plz12
06:49.32troggbeep: ops plz123
06:49.34troggbeep: ops plz1234
06:49.37troggbeep: ops plz12345
06:49.38troggbeep: ops plz123456
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06:50.10servusDon't forget jmax
06:50.16Dwonisshogunx?
06:50.17troubledty EE
06:50.22C|inta peer to peer I was on, I took vacation from, filetopia, they had tools, that could do that, and in order to get back on, you had to either be on a live cd, or, change your mac address, or hardware, which made it alot more complicated, then just releasing, and obtaining a new host from your ISP
06:50.23Jmaxlol
06:50.24tralalathere are plenty of them still around
06:50.30DwonisI don't think shogunx was a troll
06:50.31tralalaand they banned the poor guy sid
06:50.31*** topic/#debian by Jmax -> DCC SEND LOLOLOLOLGNAAOWNSFREENODE
06:50.34Denmaethi need help with my internet conection
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06:50.38sidyea, I go tbanned
06:50.39sid:(
06:50.43C|intwhats up Denmaeth
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06:50.47sidEveryone be sympathetic to me.
06:50.47liableerr, chealer and shogunx arent trolls
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06:50.52tralalasid: oh, you're back
06:50.54CHodappSons of bitches...
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06:51.09Denmaethi get this error when i do ifup aht0
06:51.28C|intprobably alot of negative energy going, on, I read about that and people having negative energy, how they like to do things to make them feel better.. :-)
06:51.41dondelelcarofinally.
06:51.45Denmaeth/etc/network/interfaces;2; misplaced option
06:51.46fmhaha, funny thing is happening in ##linux
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06:51.50fmits haxored
06:51.51C|intmake themselves * feel better* :-)
06:51.52troubleddondelelcaro: howya, ty
06:51.59azeemsigh
06:52.01liablefm: noy so funny really
06:52.04EdLindondelelcaro: I hope you guys can fix this
06:52.06dondelelcaroazeem: ;-)
06:52.08C|intwhats going on in linux,
06:52.10Vasisthaany ops need a list of ban removals? I did a little sed | sort -u
06:52.11ElectricElfdondelelcaro: They've known about it for a few minutes at least
06:52.17fmliable, yes, for me :)
06:52.20Denmaethifup; couldnt read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces
06:52.23servusSoon enough they'll get bored and go back to speedhacking in Counter-Strike.
06:52.25dondelelcaroEdLin: unfortunaly, it has little to do with us, and lots to do with the IRCOPS.
06:52.27C|inthey fm, whats going on in linux chan bud :-)
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06:52.50dondelelcaroElectricElf: yeah, azeem told me; I was building something on merulo
06:52.51troubledircoppers breakin each others boxen still?
06:52.54C|intshould I use, TechSmith or xvidcap to record it, and display it on video.google, or to 1 of my classes next week :-)
06:52.58fmC|int, one nick kicksout all others
06:53.01EdLindondelelcaro: I was banned from #debian for a short while tonight
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06:53.17C|intsyn floods?
06:53.22fmno
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06:53.30dondelelcaroEdLin: yes, because someone managed to get +o umode; I can't do anything about that.
06:53.32*** mode/#debian [-b *!*@ip216-239-82-82.vif.net] by ElectricElf
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06:53.37C|inthow ya been fm btw, I'm back with debian, you might of remembered me As Zoo
06:53.38fmC|int,  he womehow got operator status
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06:53.55troubledC|int: boy, now how the hell would a syn flood hack a server?
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06:54.18azeemit's cool if you can tell people IRL
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06:54.31sid#wikipedia got destroyed...there were like 10 people left in there...at least #debian kept most of it's users
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06:54.34C|intubuntu was too slow, and my deal was the hardwaer, however, books have helped me, I'm just trying to figure out, what I can do to help all acer users out, laptops*, and get my 1280x800 and wireless, going, the rest i can figure out myself pretty much I guess, I am going make videos on it to help others, just taking day by day is all I can do
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06:54.38fmC|int, am fine, how about you?
06:54.45jetscreamer#freenode got taken over also
06:54.46tralalathe topic anyone?
06:54.51LinuxOiddf
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06:55.04LinuxOidåÓÔØ ËÔÏ ÖÉ×ÏÊ???
06:55.04siddondelelcaro: yea fix topic
06:55.25sidAnd just add a quick script that removes ops from anyone who isn't on !ops list
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06:55.34tralala@irl
06:55.35ravenbirdhmm... irl is In Real Life, and a really good way to piss off your SO.
06:55.35LinuxOidDo you speak russian???
06:55.36liableLinuxOid: english thanks
06:55.40C|intI installed this, dri-i915 from intel, I generated it into a deb file, with alien, installed it, the instal went fine, I'm just trying figure out, , maybe I need to check some things, however maybe I need to add moer support into my system modulets, etc, w/e
06:55.42liable!ru
06:55.47sidif $user != blah msg chanserv deop #debian $user
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06:55.50liable!hi
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06:55.52dondelelcaroDEBCONF VIDEOS: http://debconf6.debconf.org/about/schedule/ | xorg 7.0 UNSTABLE: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java
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06:55.59LinuxOidI bad talk in english...
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06:56.05azeemok, laters
06:56.06liabledpkg dead
06:56.10dondelelcaroazeem: thanks
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06:56.16shogunxgeez
06:56.21C|intwhats that all about,
06:56.22tralala@ru
06:56.23azeemsomebody wants to unplug the AC here
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06:56.25dpkgOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of dondelelcaro)
06:56.32sidHey dpkg
06:56.32EdLindpkg: wb
06:56.33dpkgthanks, edlin.  It's good to be back.
06:56.33C|inthey dpkg  :-)
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06:56.43tralala!ru
06:56.43dpkgUnless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u.  Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)
06:56.44zu22tehdely has taken control of ##linux and filled the channel and is kick/banning people on join
06:56.53pilgrimI am the only one being disconnected?
06:56.54C|intdpkg, I'm going do my best to get ACer looking good with Debian :-)
06:56.59troubledoh well, too much for one  night lol
06:56.59dondelelcarozu22: talk to astinius
06:57.04troubledsimonrvn: catch ya on the flip
06:57.06zu22dondelelcaro: ok thanks
06:57.07EdLinclif4d: dpkg is a bot
06:57.07C|intplus I"m working on, FreeBSD 6.1 on the side ;)
06:57.20pilgrimDwonis, k. I'm back.
06:57.34shogunxcan we fuck those idiots up now?
06:57.38Dwonispilgrim: ok, on the client, try "nc -v -n $SERVER_IP_ADDRESS 22"
06:57.45shogunxanyone have a list of ips that that came from?
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06:57.54dondelelcaroshogunx: they're just random morons; don't even bother.
06:57.59Dwonisshogunx: calm down
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06:58.03EdLinit's been an interesting sunday, that's for sure.
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06:58.10zu22dondelelcaro: i don't see any astinius logged in
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06:58.12tralalashogunx: do you believe that they are using their own computers to do that?
06:58.17LinuxOid#exit
06:58.21Dwonistralala: some people are stupid enough
06:58.23liableLinuxOid: /exit
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06:58.26shogunxtralala, valid point.
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06:58.37C|intif its really a problem, just report them too, www.us-cert.gov
06:58.37pilgrimDwonis, connection refused.
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06:58.42zu22tehdely: stop your antics
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06:58.49tehdelywho are you to tell me such!
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06:58.59C|intbut on the side of things, if someone is affecting a server, i can report them for you guys
06:59.07dondelelcarozu22: sory, astinus
06:59.08Dwonisok, on the server, run this "tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 22 or icmp", then try the nc command on the client again
06:59.15zu22dondelelcaro: thx
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06:59.17C|intwho is some admins here,
06:59.40SupaplexC|int: /stat p
06:59.42SupaplexC|int: /stats p
06:59.43C|intI'm a Systems/Network Engineer at my college, there some things I can do to help out, however might be best to see some network logs
06:59.46dn4can we speak now
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07:00.12C|inthi Supaplex
07:00.20FaithfulWhy do we need to "set paste" in vim ?
07:00.31Faithfulcan I get around that?
07:00.49DwonisFaithful: I usually use ":a", then I paste, then I hit Enter and then ESC
07:00.49tralalaFaithful: I've never done that.
07:01.05tralala!wayttd Faithful
07:01.06dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, Faithful?
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07:01.23pilgrimDwonis, tcpdump isn't installed.
07:01.31sinattaja noob question: is there any way to collect MAC addresses on a network segment with tcpdump? it's a boring with "tcpdump -XX"
07:01.35C|intI enabled myself to have free cable internet from my cable company, was without it for 2 1/2 months, because father took it out of his name, he thought , well I get net for free at college, however he don't know how bad I needed it to do blackboard assignments and things, so < I was able to fiddle around, and Now I have had it solid for 1 week, and figuring out, uncapping some things :-)   what these users are doing, is kiddy stuff :-)
07:01.36Dwonispilgrim: install it, then
07:01.39SupaplexFaithful: .vimrc ?
07:01.41pilgrimDwonis, k
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07:02.56pilgrimDwonis, k, now I should try and connect from client?
07:02.57Faithfulits a common error... you paste from say a website and it comes out space all over the place
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07:03.28Lappdancewhai?
07:03.31Dwonisnot again
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07:03.34tobmooxkickme!
07:03.35ElectricElfOh FFS
07:03.38zu22ugh it's that moron again
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07:03.41Lappdancerofl
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07:03.53GrogMOTHER FUCKING
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07:04.01tobmoox<3 grog penis
07:04.01blochGrog: lol hy
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07:04.12C|inthey Grog, what you know about nfr :-)
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07:04.39colkoh fun lets see how much stuff i can break tonight
07:04.40colk:P
07:04.43vt3bummer
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07:05.08C|intyou ever see the part, where the person of Network Services, and ISP makes visit to persons house, and says, hey, how things going, heard ou been causing a mess with people's servers dedicated to the public, and then , via, www.us-cert.gov
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07:05.18pngwnC|int, why don't you stfu
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07:05.36colkapt-get dist-upgrade sounds fun
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07:05.45C|intbecause I'm trying to figure whats going on, can't seem to think this Circus show is amazing :-)
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07:05.53caseypngwn: stfu n00b
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07:06.21dondelelcaro;/msg chasnerv op #debian
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07:06.32C|intthanks casey , probably just people with negative energy, we deal with that everyday, from people calling complaining on how the servers, and there optics not working right :-)
07:06.33casey;/nick chasnerv
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07:06.57InnocuousCan anyone tell me an active op's name in #gentoo? I was talking about something there and a hacker banned me.
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07:07.20Innocuoushi
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07:07.29C|intoh Innocuous , gentoo users think there superior over every other linux distribution,
07:07.32servusdondelelcaro:  Do you work at UCR? I know a ton of people that go there :)
07:07.36zu22that moron is attacking many freenode channels
07:07.37DwonisInnocuous: it's happening here too
07:07.40dondelelcaroservus: I'm a grad student htere
07:07.41C|intdo'nt worry about them m8
07:07.44InnocuousI know Dwonis
07:07.45davisi had man working ok. but now i get this error when I use it.
07:07.55davisman: command exited with status 256: /usr/bin/zsoelim /tmp/zmanG0zzjQ | /usr/bin/tbl | /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -rLL=99n -rLT=99n -Tascii | /usr/bin/pager -s
07:08.00servusOh well then that means you're just "that guy who's always in the computer lab". No fun *grin*
07:08.09C|intI think they need some therapist :-)
07:08.12caseyGentoo is great :)  But like anything nothing is best for everyone.
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07:08.23Dwonisdavis: is /tmp full?
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07:08.33C|intwell, I like FreeBSD 6.1 over gentoo casey
07:08.35davisDwonis: nope
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07:09.02zu22C|lint: they need a good beating :)
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07:09.20dae__On testing, updated yesterday, I have an issue with using USB storage (the memory stick duo slot on my cell phone). When I plug in the phone two devices are mounted on /media (PHONE and PHONE CARD). Gnome recognizes this and adds two icons for those devices, but the problem is that gnome doesn't understand that they are already mounted.
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07:09.26shogunxzu22, yep.  with about 480volts.
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07:09.43C|intbut its , all a personaly experience, isn't it casey , I'm just not ready yet, to take a "kernel" and then get the drivers I need for the system, or add a database, for a system set up, so that the system could look on the servers, and get what drivers needed to make the system run at optimal performance, and the packages and the gui be entirely up to the individual, its all about choice, and many differetn visions on how open source should be, or an operati
07:09.43C|intng system
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07:10.32C|inthey zu22 ,
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07:11.01C|inttak to you all later, enjoy having fun with the clowns, :-)
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07:11.23liableLunarctic: exit your client and start it as a user, not root
07:12.07dae__So the result is that I can't unmount the devices from Gnome and I can't navigate to the files (since Gnome thinks it's not mounted). I have to go to /media/PHONE CARD manually and use the umount command as root. Any ideas?
07:13.01shogunxdae__,   make PHONE CARD to be PHONECARD perhaps
07:13.16shogunxnot sure how you got a mountpoint with a space in it.
07:13.29Dwonisshogunx: quotes?
07:13.39Supaplex\040 ?
07:13.39tobmooxare they done attacking yet?
07:13.41shogunxDwonis, really?
07:13.43dae__shogunx, I did't set that name myself... That happens automagically...
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07:14.05shogunxDwonis, in fstab?
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07:14.18Dwonisshogunx: I dunno about fstab, but you can probably do it with mount
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07:14.37Dwonisshogunx: yup, you can
07:14.44Dwonisshogunx: (with mount, that is)
07:14.55shogunxnoshit
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07:15.22Supaplexshogunx: use \000 charaters.  Not sure what space is in octal
07:15.29shogunxahhhh
07:15.47dae__shogunx, My guess is that name "PHONE CARD" is why the phone tells linux that the volume name is. But regardless, does't work on /media/PHONE either.
07:15.53tralalaspaces in filenames is sooo... (fill the gap)
07:16.08POVaddcttralala: ...braindead
07:16.25shogunxi was thinking cranially rectally inverted.
07:16.27Supaplexit works for the remote admin smb shares on win boxes (for me anyway) like \040 for $ iirc.
07:16.27tralala!POVaddct++
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07:16.51zu22tralala: anti-clue
07:16.59dae__I should also mention that this all works fine on stable (sarge). So either something is broke or I have some screwed up config on this machine.
07:17.21POVaddcttralala: i keep a small shell script "f_nospaces" which renames files (" " to "_")
07:17.46shogunxPOVaddct, little sed jobby?
07:17.50zu22POVaddct: hey can i see that script? sounds nifty
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07:18.10POVaddctshogunx: tr, actually
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07:18.48tralalaPOVaddct: I don't know why but I never get any of those around my filesystems. Otherwise there is also rename 's/ /_/' "* *" (I guess it should work)
07:18.54Faithfulanyone know why it is rdesktop loses the mouse cursor in X -- like it's gone... it's like it has dissapeared behind the root screen or something ... because if you can guess you can still click at things... otherwise its a ctrl+alt+bkspc
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07:19.23shogunxPOVaddct, i will remember that.  thats more elegant than the sed i wrote to change csv files to tab-delimited.
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07:19.24POVaddctzu22: http://chris.silmor.de/f_nospaces
07:19.33zu22POVaddct: thx
07:19.34Faithfulwhen it happens there is no cursor on any screens not just in rdesktop
07:19.46SupaplexFaithful: no idea, but I have noticed it likes to invert the keylocks on occasion
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07:20.16FaithfulSupaplex: yup that's cute too
07:20.30Supaplexanything on bts?
07:20.55Supaplexif it bugs you enough to bugs us, it should be in bts :o) maybe there's an interm workaround...
07:22.12shogunx!ops topic
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07:22.46Supaplex~ops dpkg is MIA :(
07:22.50aptHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: dpkg is MIA :(
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07:23.18karstenSupaplex: dondelelcaro's bot.
07:23.29shogunx~ops topic is borked
07:23.31aptHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: topic is borked
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07:23.46karstendondelelcaro: Can you reset topic?
07:23.46tralalarename 's/ /_/g' *\ * (now *this* works)
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07:25.33Supaplexmust be a dud :(
07:25.35CHodappcasey is a spammer...
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07:26.47tralalahow did they change the topic?! The change is not reported in my backlog
07:26.51davisany idea why tcpdump not proto ssh does not work?
07:27.06zu22tralala: they kicked channel bots
07:27.07davisheh.
07:27.07Supaplextry not port
07:27.15tralalaoh, it is :)
07:27.28tralalaI just didn't see it
07:27.31davisok. thanks.
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07:28.24Supaplextempting !topicsmite ;)
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07:28.41zu22I don't understand the rationale behind such moronic behaviour. If they were trying to prove their intelligence they did just the opposite. Any idiot can run a war bot. Must be rather insecure psychologically.
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07:29.01caseyCHodapp: I am?
07:29.01tralalaSupaplex: dpkg is not around
07:29.01Supaplexzu22: prepubesence
07:29.07caseylol
07:29.12CHodappI dunno
07:29.14zu22Supaplex: yeah but most of us didn't act like that even at that age :)
07:29.18CHodappMaybe I spelled your name wrong....
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07:29.45SupaplexI was on IRC after I hit puberty :) sooo I can only imagine what happened before.
07:29.51xanavimsimilar behavior to a 2-year old always tearing down the blocks/tracks/books instead of stacking/laying/reading them
07:29.54zu22heh
07:30.01zu22xanavim: ah
07:30.34Dwonisgranted, knocking over blocks is _fun_, when it's your own blocks, at least
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07:30.40zu22I was on BBS before puberty but not IRC until I was 16-17.
07:31.09davishmm. i want -- tcpdump (not port ssh) and host mydebhost.  I think i am getting not (port ssh and host mydebhost) when I say tcpdump not porrt ssh and host mydebhost.  Any idea how to fix? I can not add paraenthesis to cmd line.
07:31.09shogunxmy 2 year old likes to stack processors.
07:31.15tobmooxanyone gonna change the topic in this channel?
07:31.22SupaplexI do recall some unruly stuff i did on bbses when I was in junior high, now you mention it :)
07:31.23buudondelelcaro: ping!
07:31.31Supaplex~topicsmite dondelelcaro
07:31.35aptAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dondelelcaro.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
07:31.42zu22shogunx: statis discharge? :)
07:31.47zu22s/statis/static
07:31.47Supaplexhow ironic :)
07:31.54Dwoniswow, that's impressive. "fin has quit (Excess Flood)"  <-- this was in #flood
07:31.55servusMy idea of wild fun on BBS's was to develop the persona of a one with an immense and overbearing desire for delicious, delicious bananas.
07:32.11tralalaDwonis: that's by the server
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07:32.13zu22Supaplex: you rebel :P
07:32.19Supaplex:>
07:32.27shogunxzu22  they are OLD processors that will likely never see use again.  386's and such.  i gave her a few to play with.
07:32.27Dwonistralala: I know, but it's still a rare sight
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07:32.32zu22I was pretty nonrebellious.
07:32.34tralalaDwonis: you can get a first hand experience by running /list -all
07:32.36caseyCHodapp: well it's pretty silly to assume that because somebody makes fun of a spammer with one line that they are a spammer themselves.  ohnoes!  ddos me!!
07:32.43zu22servus: haha
07:32.51xanavimI didn't do anything *too* bad with BBS's, other than create five accounts so I could kill my other ships in trade wars
07:33.06Dwonistralala: eh?  I thought you only got the flood messages when you *send* too much crap to the server
07:33.08tralala/list -yes actually
07:33.11servusActually, I told my brother to LOATHE bananas, but apparently he misheard me, and history was etched in stone.
07:33.14Supaplexcall back verification ++ :)
07:33.19CHodappcasey, sorry, it's late at night, my contacts are showing halos around everything, and my monitor is fuzzy, and I'm seeing reflections from the windows and from my contacts, it looks like you said at least 32 or 64 lines, even if it was only one.... you know... afterimages...ghosting....
07:33.20zu22servus: as long as she doesn't swallow them, be careful :)
07:33.37caseyCHodapp: check your /lastlog :)
07:33.52servusThe SysOp would call you up and ask you a dirty question if you wanted adult access. Any giggling meant you weren't allowed in.
07:33.53tralalaDwonis: I used to get it for listing the channels some years ago. Haven't tried if it still works that way since then though :)
07:34.31Dwoniscasey: nc -l -p 23
07:34.36Dwonisjust type fast
07:34.37zu22servus: or you could only get in if you knew a friend of a friend etc.
07:34.53caseyDwonis: ?
07:35.02servusGood times. Good times.
07:35.05Dwoniscasey: run your own poor-man's telnet BBS :)
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07:35.45shogunxcasey  cleartext passwords over the network these days?
07:36.04tralalaafter the big telcos win the net neutrality case we may need to recall how to use BBSes again
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07:36.16Dwonisshogunx: it's amazing the crap you can get away with
07:36.19CHodappcasey, I used to use BBSes quite a lot.... on my trusty 14.4K modem...
07:36.23Dwonisshogunx: like all those websites that will email you a password
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07:36.51DwonisCHodapp: I was using a 2400 baud modem when you were still
07:36.58DwonisCHodapp: using a 14.4K modem... :/
07:37.00shogunxDwonis, i know.  it amazes me sometimes.
07:37.09CHodappI was using a 14.4K when the rest of you were on 56K, yay me
07:37.17Supaplexnow atleast I have a 56k modem :)
07:37.26tralalaDwonis: the best out of them are the ones that assing you a password, mail it to you and don't let you change it
07:37.49cahootthis turned into an Monty Python session?
07:37.50Dwonistralala: I particularly like the "what's your mother's maiden name" 'security questions'
07:37.50Supaplextralala: sounds kinky
07:38.10CHodappshogunx, I should send you a copy of a paper I found in a book I got used that said "We were at your workstation and saw that you had a screensaver password. Thank you for being security conscious!" . . . and it was from some government base...
07:38.24tralalaSupaplex: welcome to the greek tax authorities
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07:38.40zu22Chodapp: 14.4 i BBSed with 2400 baud :P
07:38.59edison04help, how to add a user to a groups ?
07:39.02Supaplextralala: is it painfull when they are /assing/ you a question? (just quoting you) hehe ;)
07:39.03shogunxhehe
07:39.10caseyshogunx: nothing wrong with that.  If somebody between my machine and the BBS gets my password to that BBS, it doesn't affect me much.
07:39.13Dwoniszu22: you could always tell the BBS's that actually had 2400 baud models, by listening to the connection sequence
07:39.22streuneredison04: adduser <user> <group>
07:39.29liableedison04: adduser foo group
07:39.44shogunxcasey, could be a pain in the ass for the bbs tho.
07:39.44SupaplexI had telemate, and stored different passwords in each dial entry. yay macros. :)
07:39.45liable!lose me
07:39.47caseyDwonis: ahh yes, those were the good days :)
07:39.49tralalaSupaplex: hehe :) s/assing/assigning/ (that's what you get for eating letters)
07:39.50zu22Dwonis: so true! hehe
07:39.51edison04starfishy, ok thank
07:39.55caseyshogunx: then they can stop being lame and use SSH :)
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07:39.57liableoh, he's still dead
07:40.01zu22we went from war dialing to war driving !
07:40.08shogunxi'm a bit paranoid.  i have no cdroms or floopy drives on my network even.
07:40.11*** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> DEBCONF VIDEOS: http://debconf6.debconf.org/about/schedule/ | xorg 7.0 UNSTABLE: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java
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07:40.17Supaplexyay!
07:40.24Supaplex~kiss dondelelcaro
07:40.28aptACTION smooches dondelelcaro on the neck
07:40.30shogunxdondelelcaro  muchos gracias
07:40.33caseyDwonis: I liked when I got a US Robotics modem and you could tell when it called another USR, because it had it's own sound :P
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07:40.35dpkgOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of dondelelcaro)
07:40.35zu22Supaplex: ah ProCOMM is what i used
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07:40.54jetscreameryay dpkg
07:40.58Dwonis!yay
07:40.59dpkgyay!
07:41.05Supaplex@yay
07:41.05zu22:dondelelcaro++
07:41.05ravenbirdwell, yay is YAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
07:41.09shogunxzu22, we used to use procomm plus to administer our pager customers.
07:41.09PhatedHeh.
07:41.11zu22!party
07:41.11dpkgsomebody said party was Lego, and alcohol
07:41.20tralalathe best security I've had was for an online banking - a certificated generated by my browser during the registration process.
07:41.25zu22shogunx: nifty lil program
07:41.26formorerwhich remembers me on my request for removal for jaca
07:41.28shogunxcasey, they will work over voip:)
07:41.29formorereh java
07:41.38zu22shogunx: i remember first time i used ZMODEM i was like "wow this is fast!" haha
07:41.39tralalacertificate*
07:41.54shogunxzu22, the pagin carriers app had a bug, that if you didn't log out, the next user that logged in would get your session.
07:42.15caseyzu22: I liked when I used a 2400baud and could read the text almost as fast as it came across the wire
07:42.19shogunxzu22, needless to say, we saw LOTS or other resellers accounts.
07:42.19zu22shogunx: heh
07:42.26Supaplexcasey: I have over 30 now.  I resell them to dialup users that are using win^H^H^Hgheymodems.  I also have a v.everything (internationaly supported) that's my backup if my dsl goes kaput.
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07:42.29zu22shogunx: indeed
07:42.40zu22casey: chuckle
07:42.41Dwonis!assume command of ravenbird
07:42.42dpkgravenbird, dpkg is my master
07:42.54Supaplex?!
07:43.01Dwonisoh right, these bots know who each other are
07:43.10caseySupaplex: I hate winmodems :(
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07:43.18zu22supaplex: i have 28k external now, i need a 56k serial modem
07:43.28shogunxSupaplex, i still have a collection of full hardware isa's.
07:43.30caseySupaplex: I especially hated when you'd tell people "if it's external you're safe" and then some bastards started making external winmodems
07:43.46Supaplexyup.
07:43.48Dwoniscasey: how do you make an external winmodem... oh USB
07:43.50shogunxzu22, wvdialconf will ramp that up to 115200 for you.
07:43.57caseyDwonis: no, serial as well.
07:44.04Dwoniscasy: eh? how?
07:44.09Dwoniscasey: and what for?
07:44.19caseycheaper to manufacture I guess.
07:44.23Dwonisoh... probably patents on the hayes AT command set
07:44.25caseyI don't know how
07:44.30Supaplexyou don't pay for the dsp, duh
07:44.30caseyI just know it pissed me off
07:44.30zu22shogunx: hmm
07:44.33tralalayeah, I've seen one of these - I real piece of crap
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07:44.44tralala*a real
07:44.47DwonisSupaplex: but the serial line isn't fast enough to send raw audio over
07:44.48shogunxzu22, via the init strings.
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07:45.10tralalaI should've slept more
07:45.16Supaplex8KHZ up and 8KHZ down = howmany bps?
07:45.37zu22shogunx: that is speed between port and kernel though not physical download rate right? otherwise there' be massive fragmentation methinks
07:45.41DwonisSupaplex: maximum 32k, I think
07:45.53karstenSupaplex: Khz != bytes/sec
07:46.10karstenSupaplex: Oh, I see...  Hrm.
07:46.11Supaplexyou figure it out, I'm going to bed. :)
07:46.17shogunxzu22, back in my old piratebraocast days, i got a solid 10k sec up or down from a 56k
07:46.31Supaplex/dev/brain is due for a recharge hehe
07:46.33karstenSupaplex: What's the 8 KHz from?
07:46.39caseywtf??? 10?!???!!!
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07:46.48zu22shogunx: wow best i ever got was 1/2 that :) you have a write on that i can see? :)
07:46.54liableSupaplex: how can you do that?
07:46.55CHodappdd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/brain
07:46.56CHodapper
07:46.57CHodappcrap
07:46.57liableerr
07:46.58zu22s/write/write up
07:47.01shogunxzu22, and i lost not too many packets.
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07:47.13zu22shogunx; please educate me :P
07:47.45Supaplexkarsten: max telephone quality. check out isdn, see how it compares on one channel.
07:47.48zu22shogunx: you fool around with MTU and stuff like that or just modem init?
07:47.49caseyzu22: maybe he was bridging 2 of them :P
07:47.49shogunxzu22, i might still have a drive around here with the init string on it from a potato box it was in.
07:47.50edison04Help how to enable start program in Xwindow (user mode) as root without the message "** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display" ?
07:48.05shogunxzu22, just the init, tho wvdialconf did it for me.
07:48.08azeemedison04: why do you need root?
07:48.11Supaplexafterall, it eventually is one channel on a T1
07:48.14caseyedison04: export DISPLAY=:0
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07:48.23edison04casey, ok thank
07:48.29zu22shogunx: cool you can leave me a note on here if you find it or reach me at yoda@netrek.org
07:48.42zu22casey: lol ya maybe
07:48.53shogunxzu22, sure.
07:49.00zu22ta
07:49.15caseyISDN ftw
07:49.43edison04casey, i get message ":cannot connect to X server :0"
07:49.49Dwonisedison04: apt-get install sux
07:50.05caseyedison04: what does 'echo $DISPLAY' as a user before su show?
07:50.15tralalaedison04: as user xhost +local:root
07:50.16shogunxzu22, just apt-get install wvdial and then wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf and it should write it for you:)
07:50.22caseyedison04: you might need to do xhost +localhost as user too
07:50.23karstenSupaplex: OK.
07:50.24Supaplexstreuner: Failure51917 [n=Ray@CPE-139-168-156-24.nsw.bigpond.net.au at 01:03 MDT
07:50.26cahootedison04: try /msg dpkg sshx
07:50.29Dwonistralala, edison04: don't use xhost
07:50.34zu22shogunx: ok i will try it, just using pppconfig and pon/poff now
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07:50.44Dwonisedison04: on a local machine, use the "sux" command
07:50.46cahootedison04: err - use sux or sudo
07:50.50shogunxzu22, i did too, till i found wvdial:)
07:51.08shogunxand my speed doubled
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07:51.31shogunxi think i had to setserial spd_hi too.
07:51.38zu22shogunx: so it will generate the correct wvdial.conf for me? or maybe that only worked on a specific version of wvdial?
07:51.55caseytias
07:52.03shogunxzu22, it should generate it for you, to the max your hardware will do.
07:52.20shogunxnot sure if it has even changed versions since.
07:52.26shogunxDwonis, hehe
07:52.29zu22shogunx: if it works that will be awesome
07:52.45caseylaters
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07:53.09xanavimfun spammers?  0_o
07:53.27Supaplexit's entertainment for the eaisly amused
07:53.46Supaplexjust like thats that run it
07:53.58DwonisIt's nice to see a good larting, once in a while
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07:54.13shogunxzu22, i had to setserial $serialdevice spd_vhi too
07:54.15xanavims/fun spammers/interesting script kiddies
07:54.26Dwonisxanavim: not much of a difference
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07:56.31zu22shogunx: ok thx
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07:57.06zu22anything less than a forced net split is uninteresting
07:57.43xanavimdoes anyone know of a SID to mp3/ogg converter?
07:57.47zu22shogunx: i'll stick that in my serial.conf
07:58.11karstenxanavim: SID?  You mean sid release?
07:58.32xanavimkarsten: no, SID is a C64 music format
07:58.33Dwoniskarsten: no, probably the commodore 64 sid format played by mikmod
07:59.10xanavimkarsten: although that would be interesting too  (;
07:59.23CHodappxanavim, mikmod, umodplayer
07:59.46POVaddctxanavim: why not use sidplay?
07:59.59xanavimPOVaddct: not available for my zaurus
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08:00.17POVaddctxanavim: okay, then use sid2wav and lame
08:00.42POVaddctxanavim: sid2wav is part of sidplay
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08:02.32Dwonisfor vorbis, that is
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08:03.26xanavimPOVaddct: thx
08:03.32xanavimCHodapp: thx  (:
08:03.39CHodappSure
08:03.47POVaddctxanavim: the problem with sid songs is, that you can't detect the song length
08:04.07DwonisPOVaddct: can modplug do it?
08:04.12sidDoes debian have an "official" song?
08:04.14xanavimPOVaddct: yeah, they can loop forever...
08:04.26DwonisPOVaddct: it seems to detect the length of other modules (e.g. XM)
08:04.39POVaddctDwonis: sid are NOT modules
08:04.50zu22sid: "We are the champions."
08:04.52DwonisPOVaddct: eh?
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08:05.00sidzu22: haha
08:05.01DwonisPOVaddct: what makes you say that?
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08:05.09zu22:P
08:05.13POVaddctDwonis: they are actually song data AND a player routine the runs in an emulated 65xx
08:05.30POVaddctDwonis: a sid player must provide a 65xx emulation
08:05.46usnhi folx
08:06.02DwonisPOVaddct: ok, but other modules could be said to be the same thing.  the only difference is that there's never been, as far as I know, a silicon implementation of ProTracker
08:06.23POVaddctDwonis: so the sid player has no way of knowing the actual sid song format, which varies from author to author
08:06.48POVaddctDwonis: no. modules have a defined format. sids don't.
08:07.57POVaddctDwonis: think of a sid player as a virtual machine in which the actual player code runs
08:09.26POVaddctDwonis: in times of the c64, the song data and the player code were not separated. each composer/programmer would have his own player routine, written in 65xx assembler.
08:09.42DwonisPOVaddct: I know what you're saying.  I'm just not sure if I agree that it makes that much of a difference.
08:10.24POVaddctDwonis: it makes a difference IMHO
08:10.28DwonisPOVaddct: I'd say that other module formats are just less flexible
08:10.46DwonisPOVaddct: mikmod et al. still needs to do loop detection, for example
08:11.10DwonisPOVaddct: and you can't tell how long an XM module is without stepping through the entire thing as well, I think
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08:11.43DwonisPOVaddct: in both cases, you have a state machine, and a set of instructions to manipulate the state machine
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08:11.51POVaddctDwonis: yeah, for modules. but loop detection for modules is easy. you just have to check if it jumps to a previous position in the pattern list.
08:11.51DwonisPOVaddct: sid just has more instructions
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08:13.13POVaddctDwonis: for loop detection in sid songs, the sid player would have to understand the actual 65xx assembler code which runs in the VM
08:13.30DwonisPOVaddct: That's the point where I disagree
08:13.43weasel00.
08:13.48DwonisPOVaddct: all you'd need to do is to detect when the entire state machine repeats itself
08:14.15kimoHi guys, I'm after performing *full* backup (one that boots after restoring)!. How would u recommend doing that? (dump, dd, tar .. ?). Thanks
08:14.16DwonisPOVaddct: so the feasibility depends on how much memory a sid state machine is allowed to consume
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08:14.34xanavimDwonis: how would you do that when the track selection was, say list foo = {1,2,3,4,5} pick_random(foo)
08:14.37DwonisPOVaddct: it's not like C64s had gigs of RAM
08:14.49Dwonisxanavim: what do you mean?
08:15.10xanavimDwonis: SIDs can jump to any track they wish based on the source in the SID file
08:15.24weasel00where was the file that contains the volume names?
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08:15.38weasel00or partition names?
08:15.50formorerdondelelcaro: ping
08:16.05Dwonisxanavim: why would you need to distinguish "tracks"?
08:16.05angel_is_fallencan help me anyone ? i have a problem with my mouse
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08:16.58Quiznos##Linux is open
08:17.08Quiznos##Linux is open, tell others
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08:17.20el_mexicanohi there
08:17.25angel_is_fallenhi
08:17.28sid!greet el_mexicano
08:17.28dpkgTag, el_mexicano
08:17.37streunerAngels2: what kind of problem do you have and what kind of mouse?
08:17.44zu22cool
08:17.45streunerangel_is_fallen: what kind of problem do you have and what kind of mouse?
08:17.48el_mexicanosomeone has expirience with the icp vortex gdt controllers?
08:17.58kimoPlease help, I'm after performing *full* backup (one that boots after restoring)!. How would u recommend doing that? (dump, dd, tar .. ?). Thanks
08:18.01angel_is_fallenstreuner: deutsch qry oder englisch hier ?
08:18.10el_mexicanoenglish!
08:18.11xanavimDwonis: to save space.. they were made to be 4k in size
08:18.28xanavimor less
08:18.38formorerkimo: mondo
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08:18.47streunerangel_is_fallen: we prefer english here
08:18.59Dwonisxanavim: ok, so we're looking at 4k * number of states, or significantly better if we use some sort of compression
08:19.08Dwoniscertainly doable on a modern machine
08:19.11streunerangel_is_fallen: there is #debian.de too
08:19.24xanavimDwonis: no, nothing like that at all
08:19.26angel_is_fallenah thank you#
08:19.39Dwonisxanavim: ?
08:19.49kimoformorer: thanks .. that provides bootable restores ?
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08:20.03formorerkimo: indeed, yes.
08:20.08xanavimDwonis: POVaddct explained it all already, though, no need to repeat that all again
08:20.30el_mexicanomy problem is, that the normal install routine recognized the controller and the disk, and the installation terminates normal. but i after the first boot there isn't any partition available. mount /dev/sda1 will return, that there isn't a fstab
08:21.16Dwonisxanavim: I understand what POVaddct said.  I'm saying that the number of possible states for the 65xx state machine to be in is small enough that it could be analyzed
08:21.23angel_is_fallenstreuner: i if try "cat /dev/input/mice" it fails
08:21.31el_mexicanothe expert install routine does'nt recognize the controller
08:21.36angel_is_fallennot found @ streuner
08:21.49streunerangel_is_fallen: just modprobe mousedev
08:21.49Dwonisxanavim: and that this isn't fundamentally different analyzing, for example, an XM file.  It's just a little more complicated
08:21.52kimoformorer: one last thing, when I am backing up. The system is live, right? I mean I dont have to boot from rescue CD
08:21.54xanavimDwonis: to the extent that you would feel like analyzing source code
08:22.18xanavimer, assembly code I mean
08:22.27weasel00i made an lvm and now i cant find the name of it? where would i look?
08:22.27formorerkimo: this is true too :)
08:22.39xanavimbut why would you want to do something like that?
08:22.52POVaddctstreuner: mousedev? isn't that kernel 2.4 only?
08:22.53Dwonisxanavim: no, without human intervention.  It's a small state machine, and it's quite possible to detect when the machine is in the same state as before
08:23.00Dwonisxanavim: to convert sid files to something else, presumably
08:23.15xanavimno, it's not a state machine any more than the software you're running right now is a state machine
08:23.20angel_is_fallenstreuner: but the mouse dont move too
08:23.28xanavimassembly code is not a state machine
08:23.55Dwonisxanavim: the computer doing the analysis is much bigger than the state machine itself, which is why it's feasible
08:24.12streunerangel_is_fallen: USB? and what does cat /proc/version say?
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08:25.17angel_is_fallenyes usb, but streuner what do you want to know, or must i copy all per hand :P
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08:25.45POVaddctangel_is_fallen: kernel version, 2.4 odr 2.6?
08:26.00POVaddcts/odr/or
08:26.03angel_is_fallen2.4
08:26.16angel_is_fallenjust downloaded
08:26.18angel_is_fallen..
08:26.54streunerangel_is_fallen: Linux version 2.6.25 (blah@host) (gcc version 4.95 <- example...
08:27.36angel_is_fallen3.3
08:27.36streunervia apt-get?
08:27.48angel_is_fallennetinstall
08:28.13streunerangel_is_fallen: /msg dpkg usbmouse
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08:29.54angel_is_falleni try streuner
08:29.57angel_is_fallen:)
08:31.30matjui am trying to install debian-stable and i have trouble with RAID. the partitioner wants to have RAID1 device #0 as one big chunk as if it didn't have a partition table, yet when i tell it to create 4 partitions it says that it failed creating the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, but i look with fdisk /dev/md/0 and i see them
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08:31.41weasel00clean install created an lvm with 6 drives but i dont see how i access it on my system. where shoudl i be looking?
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08:32.13matju... so it's partitioned correctly, but the curses-based partition manager refuses to acknowledge this, so i can't install debian. any ideas?
08:32.17streunerangel_is_fallen: modinfo mousedev
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08:33.02Eclipserfirefox broke in sid :>
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08:33.37streunersid=unstable, so what do you expect?
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08:34.10angel_is_fallenstreuner and what do you want from the output ?
08:34.10streunerapt-get install apt-listchanges apt-listbugs
08:34.24streunerangel_is_fallen: nevermind
08:34.34Eclipserstreuner, it's not surprising :)
08:35.13angel_is_fallenstreuner: it dont move :S
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08:36.00streuner!drxx angel_is_fallen
08:36.00dpkgangel_is_fallen: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
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08:37.02streunerand restart X, after you did that
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08:37.34rosminetgood day
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08:39.46rosminetI would like to know what are the best graphic cards ? or where can I find a benchmark ?
08:39.46simonrvn...
08:40.44el_mexicanosomeone know how to install a system with the gdth driver?
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08:41.54simonrvn!benchmark
08:41.54dpkgrumour has it, benchmark is $ time foo;
08:41.57simonrvn!benchmarks
08:42.01simonrvnbah
08:42.11streuner!listkeys benchmark
08:42.12dpkgFactoid search of 'benchmark' by key (8): benchmarking ;; benchmark ;; _default benchmark ;; benchmarketing ;; filesystem benchmark ;; #debian benchmark ;; _default benchmarketing ;; reiserfs benchmark comparison.
08:42.18simonrvn!benchmarking
08:42.19dpkgbenchmarking is probably Benchcrafting
08:42.27simonrvnfuck it
08:42.53formorerthe best one is that one that runs with free drivers ;)
08:42.55streunerrosminet: try google
08:43.44streunerrosminet: if you don't need it for CAD or modern games its pretty unimportant what kind of videocard you use
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08:44.44streunerin debian
08:45.06rosminetI need it for some CAD softs :)
08:45.34Vasisthaah, glad to see dpkg is back online
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08:46.23simonrvndeath wish ...
08:47.05TalluHaha, some people just don't learn.
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08:49.25yerethanyone here with Ati experience?
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08:49.52xanavimno, never worked for ATI
08:50.03yerethI have no clue how to even test that my machine works with the right drivers now
08:50.22yerethand I can't get beyond 800x600 res, which starts to piss me off
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08:50.28yereth:(
08:50.48lord_robHi ! I remember that with kanotix, when I plugged an usb device (in this case a digital camera) I had a new icon displyed on my KDE desktop and I was able to directly mount that device. That was quite handy. Isn't it possible to do that with debian ?
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08:52.03C|intdid everything settle down :-)
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08:52.26xanavimyes
08:52.29C|intgood
08:52.35yerethC|int: well, I could use some help :)
08:52.42C|intwas kind of crazy in here earlier :-)
08:53.13C|intwell yereth , I"m still optimizing debian on my Acer Aspire 3610 :-)
08:53.23yerethwoei
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08:53.32yerethwith an Ati card? o.O
08:53.38C|intand on my workstation, I am running from the cops on Need For Speed - Most Wanted
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08:54.40pyxelhello, please how can I tell to apt, that he use ipv6 connect to my mirror ftp.belnet.be (support ipv4 & 6) ??
08:54.43C|intnope, on Laptop, I just have integrated graphics, nothing special, got from the college, however nice display WXGA 15.1 something active matrix, Liquid Crystal, PCI express, 512 ddr ram, capable of 2 gb, however I'm going get 1 of those Centrino Duo's :-)
08:54.51xanavimI'm running from droppy eyelids  (|
08:54.56xanavimdroopy even
08:55.03ootputdo any of you use selinux as a gateway (firewalling, nat, email services) for your home lan?
08:55.24yerethalright.. how do I find out which drivers are currently used then, by X? I put stuff in the XF86Config4, but I still only get 800x600 res
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08:55.30C|intootput, , I um.. flashed cable provider, eased my way in, plan on gettin nfr , IDS ,
08:55.42yerethC|int: nice :)
08:55.52pyxelsomebody experimented with ipv6 here? :)
08:55.56C|inthehe, I just hope they don't break down my door anytime soon :-)
08:57.10el_mexicanowhere are the scsi drivers stored on the netinstall disk?
08:57.22pyxelel_mexicano: in kernel? :)
08:57.37C|intI don't think they will do that, I"m just kind of lucky, all neighboor district is having cable problems, hopefully  I didnt' cause them .. :-)
08:57.51el_mexicanohwo can i choose my driver for my scsi card?
08:58.24pyxelel_mexicano: google for you card, and next modprobe module_to_load
08:58.49pyxelhmm, but I think that default kernel are all driver compiled into (?)
08:58.57C|intyereth, , what you needing help with bud, I"m still into the linux world, sincr spring of 2004, my problem , Is I into all systems, Windows, linux , and FreeBSD
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08:59.03el_mexicanoat the installation time?  The driver is officialy supported by the kernel 2.6.15
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08:59.26formorersarge has no 2.6.15
08:59.31C|intI need to read all the books i got, and stop reverting to chat, as a leisure activity .. :-)
08:59.53el_mexicanoi use the newst netinstall image (testing)
09:00.00pyxelkickban C|int =P
09:00.09C|intlol
09:00.14kimoformorer: sorry, I cant find this in the docs. If u backup everything to NFS. What is the image that can boot my system so that I can restore?
09:00.20pyxelC|int: we do that for you ;)
09:00.26C|intwhat workstation, or serers,, hee :-)
09:00.49yerethC|int: I have no clue how to get my ati card working
09:00.51C|inthow about some remote 1's, how many of those ya want to kick, or could help with debian.. :-)
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09:01.05yerethC|int: and I'm looking at 800x600 res now
09:01.10C|intyereth, , its probably a , command, enable ati etc
09:01.25yerethC|int: I've edited my XOrg config file
09:01.25el_mexicanoif i run the standard installation (not expert) i can install the whole system. but after the first boot there issn't /dev/sda1
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09:01.53ootputC|int: what were your impressions?
09:01.58yerethC|int: yeah, just find the command :/
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09:02.07ciphernaut2.6.16-1-686 kernel, trying to build thinkpad-modules
09:02.15C|intoh okay, well, yeah, I'm still trying to figure something out, because I was on different systems, I had to configure, my nvidia card on my workstation with ubuntu, by installing nvidia settings, glx , etc, however I'm not into that now, and I working with geting this dri , i915 config right
09:02.25pyxelel_mexicano: hmm, no idea, try to google what is the module name
09:02.38yerethdri is what I want to use
09:02.39yerethI guess
09:02.40pyxelplease how can I tell to apt, that he use ipv6 connect to my mirror ftp.belnet.be (support ipv4 & 6) ??
09:02.53C|intand I have to get this done, because I'll be installing vmware, and then running fluxbox, then vmware so it can run in high performance mode I call it :-)
09:02.57yerethalthough that's just because I've seen some things about it on the net :P
09:03.04el_mexicanoi found just driver disks for older 2.4.x kernels, because the driver is now in the kernel by default
09:03.16yerethhehe
09:03.24el_mexicanobut how can i choose them
09:03.27C|intel_mexicano, , youc an compile and install the kernel of your choice
09:03.54el_mexicanobut not at the installation time, for that i need to have a running system
09:03.55C|intI am suprised, I just havn't taken a kernel, then got the drivers I need for whatever systems I want to work with, and the gui and packages up to me entirely
09:03.56valdynyereth: http://linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt
09:04.02C|intthats pretty much, custom distribution right there
09:04.12C|intHOwever, if I was that far, I would be working with unix,
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09:04.47C|intyereth, , you probably just need to install the drivers to get your system working, and then enable the driver
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09:05.17valdynciphernaut: thinkpad-modules dont build against 2.6.16, and they are probably quite useless too
09:05.38C|intits not no probably to it, you have to do some configuration, for debian standalone OS
09:05.52C|intthats the fun part, and challenge of debian
09:06.22valdynciphernaut: your error though is probably just because you were trying to build against an unconfigured source tree
09:06.23C|intit lest you do the customization of your system, and not having all those bs services installed that a user dont' need :-)
09:07.22truenoHi! anyone knows the difference between REs and metacharacters?
09:07.24ciphernautvaldyn: yes, unconfigured ....   I copied the .config file in, how can i 'configure it' without actually building the whole thing?
09:07.34truenoI mix them
09:07.37C|intvaldyn, , hey hows it going, I finally got better with the command line.. :-)
09:07.49valdynciphernaut: that's the wrong approach, you apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build against that
09:07.57yerethvaldyn: now I have these modules agpgart uninorth-agp and radeon loaded, what do I do with that then?
09:07.58C|intI didn't know you could type in couple letters, and tab your way through lol
09:08.09pyxelbye
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09:08.28el_mexicanojust a simple question, if the installation runs without problems (partitioning without problems) the controlle is recognized correctly, or?
09:08.33truenoMmm I just got it!
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09:08.35ciphernautvaldyn: i thought there was the debia way ... cheers
09:08.35POVaddct"the command line is good. the gui is evil" </zardoz>
09:08.37C|intoh , you probaby need to do a command , that will enable the drivers to work yereth
09:08.45valdynciphernaut: but again.. thinkpad-modules don't really have much point as the stock 2.6.16 kernel will should (almost) everything on your thinkpad, depending on which thinkpad exactly you have
09:08.51C|intwhat ati you got yereth
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09:08.54yerethC|int: that doesn't help me a single bit, that I need 'a command'
09:08.56streunerPOVaddct: haha
09:09.02yereth9600 Pro
09:09.12valdynciphernaut: uh, s/should/should support/
09:09.17POVaddctstreuner: do you know the movie?
09:09.25C|intwell, its the best approach for dealing with the linux and unix systems, unless there is a gui configuration app you want to use :-)
09:09.33ciphernautvaldyn: t40 - im trying to get svideo out to work
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09:09.36streunerPOVaddct: zardoz, hell yes :-)
09:09.45POVaddctstreuner: :))
09:09.58ciphernautill go checkup sf/
09:10.04valdynciphernaut: thinkpad modules dont help with that, which gfx chip do you have?
09:10.18valdynciphernaut: http://www.thinkwiki.org/
09:10.21yerethC|int: well, it might occur to you that you normally actually need to know the command or large series of commands before you can use them
09:10.33ciphernautati 7500
09:10.34C|intlike I was messing wtih the, gkndis something, a gui interface, to let me install ndiswrapper drivers, hee, but that didn't help much on ubuntu, I got em installed, however other things I Have to do, to get this acer working right, I almost had it, got some things, seen the access point, however when I did a dist-upgrade, it screwed the modules up, and I was mad :-)
09:10.45ciphernautvaldyn: 7500 ati
09:11.12valdynciphernaut: feel free to try atitvout as described on that thinkwiki site, but don't get your hopes up
09:11.24C|intwell it, occured to me, that reading gets you further with being able to menipulate the system to do what you  want it to do, :-
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09:11.34C|int:-)
09:11.49ciphernautvaldyn: cheers, this site is great
09:11.52valdynciphernaut: iirc that doesn't even work with latest X, but uh, who knows
09:12.01valdynciphernaut: that=atitvout
09:12.06yerethnm man... the whole problem is that I don't know where to look.. I don't know if I find something that is the best / easiest way
09:12.09yerethetc
09:12.29yerethI can read only that which I can find with my random guesses as search queries in google
09:12.52C|intI'm still trying to configure, my integrated graphics chipset,
09:12.53yerethand in some cases, my random guesses don't give me anything at all
09:12.56POVaddctC|int: i'd rather use supported wifi hardware so i don't need ndiswrapper.
09:12.56valdynciphernaut: bascially svideo out is the only thing i cant get working properly ( same ati 7500 radeon )
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09:13.17C|intPOVaddct, , I agree with that, I'm thinking about gettin an Orinoco, so I can have that with FreeBSD too :-)
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09:13.37C|intI just don't have the money right now, college takes it all from u, :-)
09:13.53castnow there wouldnt happen to be any cavets about the RX/TX numbers from ifconfig would there? I can't explain mine :|
09:13.56ciphernautvaldyn: it would be a shame to not be able to get it to work
09:13.57POVaddctC|int: orinoco isn't the only supported chipset. there is ralink, atheros, ...
09:14.20C|intI'm just going have to read all the books I got, on Building Wireless networks, etc, programming , linux/unix, so I can program and write drivers, and software, :-)
09:14.27C|intyes, POVaddct , I know,
09:14.37C|intusb as well
09:14.45crypt_exI would like my resoluition higher than 1024x768 but with a monitor refresh rate at about 70-80, however when I choose a higher resolution I can only choose 60Hz. Any ideas how to correct this as my card is sufficient?
09:14.49ciphernautvaldyn: i had loan of a scanconverter last night, vga to svideo @ 1024x768
09:14.56C|intI'm just way too busy, with studying on , building a Satellite, Wi-max network pal
09:15.05valdynciphernaut: that's workable at least
09:15.33ciphernautvaldyn: however those units arent cheap ( $100 au )
09:15.40C|intand, I still need to read the book I orderd, Debian GNU/LInux 3.1, however, all the information isn't all there for future hardware .. so :-)
09:16.40C|intoh sorry POVaddct , Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible, however like I said, whats hurting me though, is New Hardware, but I'll get past it, and then Make videos available to the world, via, TechSmith Camtasia's Latest, and VMware , for my presentations,
09:17.02C|intchatting and explaining things, is just getting way too old ... :-)
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09:18.41valdynciphernaut: ah, check out the vesa driver, i seem to recall that tvout will work with that
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09:18.54valdynciphernaut: naturally slower gfx than the accelerated driver
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09:19.27C|inthey this is cool, for me, and all users alike. http://www.debian.org/doc/books
09:19.28C|int:-)
09:19.28ciphernautvaldyn: i didnt think the 7500 was accelrated
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09:19.48crypt_exI would like my resoluition higher than 1024x768 but with a monitor refresh rate at about 70-80, however when I choose a higher resolution I can only choose 60Hz. Any ideas how to correct this as my card is sufficient?
09:19.51C|intI'll be seeing you all , after I study alot, so I can offer some knowledge,
09:20.27valdynciphernaut: uh, its quite nice actually, not comparable to modern gfx card but just fine for quake2 or ppracer etc
09:20.31C|intcrypt_ex, , has to do with getting the drivers to work properly, maybe kernel, and I see what a Slackware user had to do, for a laptop like mine, he had to install xorg,
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09:21.18crypt_exC|int, installed... xserver-xorg                    6.9.0.dfsg.1-6
09:21.26C|intheck, I probably ned to install, linux restricted modules
09:21.44C|intwhat kind of video card you got
09:21.54crypt_exRadeon 9800 Pro
09:21.59C|intk hold on
09:22.02crypt_exta
09:22.27C|intI'm no pro, however I seem to be able to work with agp better than integrate, probably because I work on alot of workstations :-)
09:22.39C|intbe back in few,
09:23.03C|intwhat system you on
09:23.35crypt_exAMD XP 2400+, 1024Gb DDR RAM, Debian Testing.
09:23.39cahootcrypt_ex: IIRC you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
09:23.42C|intwait a sec, let me install xorg lol
09:23.53crypt_exIIRC?
09:23.59C|intoh, see I only running, debian 3.1 sarge.. maybe I would do good with, testing :-)
09:24.10cahootcrypt_ex: if i recall correctly
09:24.20POVaddctaccording to radeon_drv.o, this is supported: ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP)
09:24.22C|intwell, I went back to debian 3.1 yesterday, because I was tired of working with slow ubuntu,
09:24.28crypt_excahoot, giving it a try either way
09:24.32POVaddct(xorg 6.9.0)
09:24.41GMGhello i have some problems with debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso, has no modules for sata and nvidea gbit... anyone know how to install it?
09:24.42C|intcrypt_ex, , it just has to be configured correctly is all bud
09:25.05crypt_exxorg then and not xfree86
09:25.11valdynGMG: have you tried the linux26 boot option?
09:25.15GMGyes
09:25.19GMGyes valdyn
09:25.21valdyn!sarge 2.6.15
09:25.21dpkg[sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm
09:25.22valdyn!sarge 2.6.16
09:25.28C|intwell, eh, let me change repositories over, and I'll dist-upgrade my system,
09:25.29valdynGMG: try that ^^^
09:25.35GMGthx
09:25.36C|intis latest ,debian testing working with xorg now?
09:25.45C|intand i hear something about, DCC
09:25.45streunervaldyn: somebody said 2.6.16 is in backports
09:25.55formorerit is
09:26.00valdynstreuner: a netinstall iso?
09:26.08C|intoh yes, the DCC Alliance
09:26.16yereththis doesn't work:
09:26.16streunervaldyn: oh, no, nevermind...
09:26.19yerethhttp://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
09:26.22formorervaldyn: no, just a deb
09:26.30GMG!sarge 2.6.16
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09:26.39yerethhe can't find the ati website stuff
09:26.42yereth:/
09:26.47GMGjp is too far
09:27.04valdynyereth: flavios pacakges are obsolete as ATI's installer can generate debs
09:27.12yerethalright..
09:27.33C|inteh nm, seems like there always making something..
09:27.35valdynyereth: see http://linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt
09:27.57C|intI've got to get my hardware configured correctly first, then I"ll start helping others.. sorry :S
09:28.17yerethvaldyn: "The installer" is one that Ati provides themselves?
09:28.24valdynyereth: yes
09:28.57yerethvaldyn: I have a few modules installer now, like agpgart and radeon, do I need to do anything about that?
09:29.25valdynyereth: those are independent of fglrx, those are the free drivers provided by your kernel and xorg
09:29.54valdynyereth: ati's driver will use agpgart
09:30.01yerethalrighty
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09:33.02yerethvaldyn: will I, after installing, automatically get higher res options than 800x600? ;)
09:33.15yereth800x600 starts to give me a headache
09:33.40castnow i have a question about ifconfig. is there a point where the RX byte counter will reset? say maybe just above 4gb?
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09:34.13streunerifdown -a, ifup -a ?
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09:34.57Space_AceHi - what is the chan for 64 bit debian?
09:35.01C|intI'm just seeing, how.. my battery monitor won't work because of the DSDT
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09:35.14C|intI better just download, the latest Debian, and play with it
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09:35.33C|intdam.. or just use FreeBSD 6.1
09:35.56cahootC|int: no real need to keep us all continuously updated
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09:36.53C|intyea, :S
09:36.54C|intI'll see you all
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09:40.13pinkySo, umm, thinking towards the future would it be wise to encode everything I have in UTF-8? (filenames, ID3 tags, etc.)
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09:42.16yerethvaldyn: do I use, you think, the xorg.conf file or the XF84Config-4 file?
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09:44.40castso does anyone else on x86-32bit have problems with ifconfigs RX being limited to 4gb? or was this long ago fixed?
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09:46.31HuK0BHello how I can copy ftp that is 100GB from one machine to other but when I copying onother users write to the ftp and I can't stop it I have to do something like scp to copy all data and then just changes.
09:46.44HuK0Bany sugestions?
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09:47.23stonedif you have access to both machine, take the HDD out and put it in the main machine and then copy
09:47.33stonedwill be much faster than tcp/ip
09:47.50HuK0B2-end machine have sata discs but first only ide
09:47.58HuK0Bcan't put hdd
09:48.22HuK0Bcan't put sata
09:48.27stonedisn't nfs udp based?
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09:49.03dondelelcaroformorer: pong
09:49.06HuK0Byou mean to mount it?
09:49.15formorerdondelelcaro: query?
09:49.24HuK0Bcan I make it something like cp first time and cp -u for update end time
09:49.26HuK0Bbut remote
09:49.29HuK0Bwith scp
09:49.33dondelelcaroformorer: ?
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09:49.43HuK0Bbut scp doesn't have -u (update)
09:49.44stonedHuK0B, nfs transfer will still be faster than ftp, afaik at least
09:49.47dondelelcaroformorer: you pinged me; you tell me what the query is...
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09:49.57stoneddondek, lol
09:50.00stoneddondelelcaro, *
09:50.24stonedrandomly got pinged
09:50.26HuK0Bstoned I don't make ftp transfer
09:50.39HuK0BI just want to move one ftp server to another
09:50.40stonedHuK0B, I still don't quite understnad what your problem is
09:50.55HuK0Bbut I don't want to stop first ftp
09:51.00stonedahh
09:51.13HuK0Bthe problem is that copy is may be 10hours
09:51.20HuK0Bbut the clients use the ftp
09:51.32HuK0BI can't stop it for 10hours to transter all data
09:51.47AzianFlucould you start another instance of ftp?
09:52.03HuK0BI need just to transfer the data 1 time and when is already on other machine to transfer the changes that clients made for this 10hours
09:52.38HuK0Band my problem is how to transfer only changes for this 10hours (this will take maybe 5mins)
09:53.03HuK0Bbut how? with cp command I can transfer it with -u option but I can't use it for remote machines
09:53.07yerethvaldyn: still there?
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09:53.10stonedHuK0B, I would just setup a temporary nfs v2/v3 connection and start transferring data.  once it is transfered updated it with whatever changes, and then install ftp, remove nfs
09:53.20stonedthat might even be less than 10 hours
09:53.38HuK0BI already made first step
09:53.44HuK0BI have all data now I need just changes
09:53.52HuK0Bmay be I will setup temp nfs too
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09:53.57HuK0Band with cp will transfer it
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09:55.37stonedHuK0B, just out of curiousity, you have sata1 or sata2?
09:55.48HuK0Bsata1
09:56.04stonedwell except for bigger HDD you're not really seeing any performace with sata1
09:56.15stonedsata1 == 12-15mb/s faster than IDE
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09:56.28stonednot much difference
09:56.37HuK0BI don't need performance I move it because last machine was ot uml
09:56.57stonedI'm just saying, I dunno what to tell you though, I've never done anything that heavy over ftp
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09:57.56stonedI've transferred data in large amounts, but thankfully both pc here can support sata2
09:58.19pinkyAre there any negative side effects of grabbing one application from sid (I'm on etch) to get the latest version of it, ie to get amaroK 1.4.0?
09:58.37stonedpinky, if you mix em together, it is not a good idea
09:58.42stonedpinky, you can however backport it
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09:58.53stoned!tell pinky about simple sid backport
09:58.58pinkyI mean, is there something that could go wrong or break if I just get the one package, or should I wait until 1.4.0 makes testing branch?
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09:59.08pinkystoned: Like I said I'm not using sid
09:59.11pinkyErr
09:59.14pinkyWait
09:59.15pinkynvm
09:59.17stoned:)
09:59.25HuK0Bsorry for questin what is amarok?
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09:59.36stonedone of the greatest music applications
09:59.40EdLinHuK0B: apt-cache show amorok
09:59.44HuK0Bok
09:59.48stonedHuK0B, #amarok http://amarok.kde.orog
09:59.50EdLiner, apt-cache show amarok
09:59.55pinkyorog!
09:59.57stonedhttp://amarok.kde.org
10:00.45yerethit seems that my fglrx drivers are compiled for XFree, while I cleary have Xorg installed
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10:01.04yerethdo I have to explicitly tell it to install for Xorg?
10:01.08yerethcompile..
10:01.10yerethwhatever
10:02.41GMGit is possible to install debian over sata drivers?
10:02.57HuK0B???
10:03.00HuK0Byes
10:03.03GMGi can not
10:03.25GMGi tried 3.1r2
10:03.48HuK0Bwith linux26?
10:04.10GMGhas no ide-scsi ide-mod, ide-probe-mod embeded
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10:04.18GMGyes HuK0B
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10:05.07GMGi just tried with http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.15/sarge-custom-0206.iso
10:05.14GMGno way :(
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10:06.19pinkyHow do you tell when a package was updated in sid/how long it's been there
10:06.36toni_hello!
10:06.41stoned!tell pinky about sid faq
10:06.54castpinky: /var/log/aptitude i suppose
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10:07.14cahootpinky: maybe here http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/
10:07.40toni_I have a problem with an xfs partition: every time I do ls -altu|head
10:07.40onetinsoldierhello all
10:07.57toni_a different list of files shows up despite no other activity on that file system
10:08.46toni_the partition is mounted with option sync already, and it's on sid 2.6.16
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10:11.06roxy_Hi. I am using debian stable on amd64. I got a sound card and the mother board sound card. I like to be able to switch sound from application from one to the other but atm I know f***k all about sound. Does any one know a good how-to/tutorial for it ? (kernel 2.6.8, using kde)
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10:12.11onetinsoldieralthough i have a feeling there is little hope, i am hoping someone might be able to help me out with a problem trying to compile some source i downloaded from gnu.org. i get the following error...
10:12.15onetinsoldierconfigure: error: An incompatible version of install-info has been found. If you have multiple install-info programs installed (for example o
10:12.24onetinsoldiern Debian systems), ensure that GNU install-info can be reached first.
10:12.59cahootroxy_: alsa devices can be accessed as hw:0 and hw:1 respetviley
10:13.27roxy_cahoot: in /dev ?
10:14.23roxy_cahoot: I only got a /dev/snd directory, no hw
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10:14.52cahootroxy_: if you created an .asoundrc giving names to the devices you can use like 'Audigy' and  'MyOtherCard' - alike alsaplayer -d hw:0|1 (or verbatim names)
10:14.56roxy_onetinsoldier: well, do you have multiple install-info ?
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10:16.09onetinsoldierroxy: no.. and i just got a thought, hang on a sec
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10:18.57onetinsoldierroxy: well, what i thought might help out didn't. anyway, dpkg shows that the package that installed install-info is... dpkg
10:19.21cahootroxy_: and no - you don't use /dev - entries
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10:22.57cahootroxy_: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html
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10:25.11h4mm3r`has anyone got a link to a subversion howto?
10:25.44yerethmy fglrx drivers complain that they are compiled for Xfree86 and not for xorg
10:25.55tarzeau!popcon
10:25.56dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
10:26.01yerethI followed these steps: http://linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt
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10:26.17yerethwhat can I do to make it work for Xorg?
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10:26.25cahoottarzeau: hi - how's the panorama project going?
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10:30.57valdynroxy_: your applications should use alsa, alsa does _not_ function directly over device nodes in /dev but is an API
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10:32.28valdyncyzie: why would you disable your MTA?
10:32.29cyziehow to prevent MTA:exim4 from loading during system boot up?
10:32.45cyzievaldyn, because it is very slow during system bootup and i dont need it in my laptop
10:33.10cyzieexim4 slow my system during bootup. ;)
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10:33.12war92cyzie: update-rc.d -f exim4 remove
10:33.22onetinsoldieralthough i have a feeling there is little hope, i am hoping someone might be able to help me out with a problem trying to compile some source i downloaded from gnu.org. i get the following error...
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10:33.29onetinsoldierconfigure: error: An incompatible version of install-info has been found. If you have multiple install-info programs installed (for example o
10:33.35cyziewar92, that will do the trick ?
10:33.37valdyncyzie: you shouldnt disable exim4, you can run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and disable dns lookups
10:33.53war92or do that
10:33.55onetinsoldiern Debian systems), ensure that GNU install-info can be reached first.
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10:34.14cyzievaldyn, why shouldnt i disable exim4 ?
10:34.22valdyncyzie: there also is various small mta replacements for exim, apt-cache search mail-transport-agent
10:34.52blondiecyzie: you do need an MTA, even though you might think not
10:35.00tarzeaucahoot: which panorama project?
10:35.06valdyncyzie: because various services / programs use mail for informational or error messages
10:35.21cyzievaldyn, though i never use MTA?
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10:35.37valdyncyzie: correct
10:35.53valdyncyzie: YOU dont, but cron does, debconf does, various tools do
10:36.01cahoottarzeau: panotools/hugin - IIRC you talked about updating those a while ago
10:36.19cyzievaldyn, understand thansk. i will try this  dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and disable dns lookups
10:36.41liabletarzeau: i still cant get lesbian..
10:36.43sepskicyzie, if starting mta takes a long time during boot it's becouse of a dns misconfiguration. fix that instead
10:36.52tarzeaucahoot: yeah i've made a package of it
10:37.05tarzeaucahoot: but the itp'er is working on the licensing of part  of the source:
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10:37.21tarzeaucahoot: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/enblend/
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10:37.34cyziesepski, yes, disable DNS lookup for exim4. thanks
10:37.36tarzeauliable: what does www.lesbian.mine.nu resolve to?
10:37.56tarzeauliable: oh shit one second
10:38.00cahoottarzeau: think it's usable on etch?
10:38.15tarzeaucahoot: yep, just pick source package and build (this is kfreebsd binary)
10:38.31cahoottarzeau: ok - will do - thanks
10:38.34sepskicyzie, why disable. why not just fix your misconfiguration ?
10:38.38valdyncyzie: set it to local delivery only too, if you haven't
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10:38.54cyzievaldyn, yes, trying what u advice. thanks
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10:39.08liabletarzeau: 195.176.50.50
10:39.08opensoresdoes upgrading sarge to kernel 2.6 cause any problems with sound?
10:39.13cyziesepski, valdyn now it is fast! heeheh thanks guys
10:39.33tarzeauliable: yeah that's wrong, must be 80.219.67.157
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10:39.41tarzeauliable: it should be updated shortly , sorry my fault
10:39.52EdLin!u
10:39.52dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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10:40.27EdLinopensores: 2.6 usually uses ALSA
10:40.36roxy_how can I check that I am using alsa ?
10:40.41opensoreswhat does 2.4 use?
10:40.42EdLinopensores: load OSS compatability modules
10:40.54valdynroxy_: cat /proc/asound/devices
10:40.56EdLinopensores: usually OSS
10:41.03onetinsoldierdamn debian for their incompatible install-info! :-/
10:41.22opensoresI have sound working on an installation with 2.4 but a new installation I can't get sound working
10:41.44EdLinopensores: I already told you the fix
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10:42.00liabletarzeau: oh dear! what site does that ip naturally resolve too? its scary! :P
10:42.12roxy_valdyn: http://pastebin.com/729461
10:42.12tarzeauliable: ?
10:42.24liabletarzeau: http://195.176.50.50
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10:42.29tarzeauliable: i did a manual dyndns update ...
10:42.44tarzeauliable: yes i told you it is the same ip like linuks.mine.nu
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10:42.56tarzeauliable: i've got vhosts.. just put that ip near lesbian.mine.nu in your /etc/hosts
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10:43.27tarzeauliable: you know it sucks when you can't have fixed ip addresses
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10:44.07liabletarzeau: i would if you didnt keep changing it..
10:44.18liabletarzeau: though i realise it aint your fault
10:44.21tarzeauliable: i just changed it wrong once
10:44.31liableok
10:44.32tarzeauliable: because i updated it manually from work, and forgot to put the right ip in
10:44.40tarzeauand i hate security.debian.org
10:44.42tarzeauI SO HATE IT
10:44.58lastnode!fish tarzeau
10:45.02lastnode0.o
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10:46.54tarzeausomeone using apt-get install opencubicplayer with alsa on 2.6 kernels?
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10:47.03liablehrm, no globals from lilo about the trolls or did i miss it with reconnects?
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10:48.09liableinteresting quit message
10:48.21valdynroxy_: that paste shows one sound card
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10:50.38roxy_valdyn: is that a sound card/socket with 6 or 3 holes ?
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10:51.18yerethhow is this possible
10:51.22valdynroxy_: how should i know?
10:51.28yerethcheck.sh from ati says I have xfree86
10:51.41yerethwhile I just selected Xorg as my default x windows system
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10:51.50ixit's not WINDOWS
10:51.52yerethanyone a clue?
10:51.54ixgawd
10:52.07roxy_valdyn: there are 6 llines, I thought it could be 1/hole .
10:52.13valdynroxy_: no
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10:52.25valdynroxy_: its plaintext partially, read it
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10:52.40valdynroxy_: i doubt a 'timer' should be a 'hole' ;)
10:53.08valdynroxy_: lsmod | grep snd will list loaded alsa modules
10:53.16yerethvaldyn: do you know? when I install the ati drivers according to the url you gave me it seems to compile for xfree86 and then, of course, it fails to load, as it is compiled for xfree86 and not for xorg, which I am running
10:53.53valdynyereth: it cannot compile for xfree86, that part is a binary provided by ati, they do not provide the source for that
10:54.06yerethhow do I get it, valdyn?
10:54.12valdynyereth: no idea
10:54.23yerethdo you use xfree?
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10:55.11yerethvaldyn: the xorg driver is an RPM
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10:55.21roxy_valdyn: apparently the mother board sound card is not there. How can I check if it is sound card problem or kernel problem ? (lspci | grep audio output only 1 line)
10:55.47valdynroxy_: which line does it output?
10:55.59roxy_0000:04:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)
10:56.02valdynyereth: the xorg driver is aswell in that installer
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10:56.22yerethyou think I can use it, valdyn?
10:56.24valdynroxy_: is there an unknown line too in the complete lspci output?
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10:56.51valdynyereth: those rpms dont work
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10:56.58valdynyereth: ( dont work on debian )
10:57.00yerethI know, it's for suse
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10:57.42yerethman this sucks
10:57.52yerethI'd nearly regret switching to linux on my desktop
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10:58.18valdynyereth: which debian release are you on?
10:58.49yerethsarge 3.1 with backports
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10:59.10valdynyereth: with xorg from backports?
10:59.25onetinsoldieri have fglrx working ok in etch
10:59.33yerethbelieve so, valdyn
10:59.36yereth7.0.0.0
10:59.40yerethIIRC
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11:00.20yerethvaldyn: no sorry, 6.9
11:00.29yerethonetinsoldier: you use Xorg?
11:00.32onetinsoldieryes
11:00.36onetinsoldier6.9
11:00.37yerethhow did you do it?
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11:01.11onetinsoldierwell... i don't have the probelm you do.. with it reporting that it found XFree86
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11:01.45yerether.. how did you install?
11:01.57yerethhttp://linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt <- this way, onetinsoldier?
11:02.11onetinsoldieri compiled and am using kernel-2.6.16.16... the kernel version can make a difference too
11:02.25roxy_valdyn: some unknown device at the beginning: http://pastebin.com/729473
11:02.33yerethroot@linux:/usr/src# uname -a
11:02.33yerethLinux linux 2.6.16-1-k7 #2 Fri May 5 05:04:32 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
11:02.41valdynyereth: sh ati-*.run --buildpkg Debian/etch ( not sarge )
11:02.43onetinsoldierafter compiling that kernel.. i just downloaded the fglrx from ati and installed away
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11:02.58valdynyereth: that may be better as you are not really useing sarge anymore
11:02.59yerethvaldyn: you think that might work?
11:03.09valdynyereth: that or purge your X completely and go back to XFree86
11:03.13yerethetch is the next planned release?
11:03.17onetinsoldieryes
11:03.22tarzeauyereth: yes, in december 2006
11:03.22yerethvaldyn: no, don't want to go back
11:03.26yerethalrighty
11:03.30valdynyereth: i have no idea, you're certainly not using plain sarge anymore
11:03.33yerethvaldyn: I'll try your suggestion now
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11:03.51doojinhello guys
11:03.56doojinCan I install debian on amd athlon 64?
11:04.03tarzeaudoojin: sure
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11:04.27yerethvaldyn: you know of a way to *tell* the process what xorg version I use?
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11:04.35yerethor what xserver I use, for that matter
11:04.47doojinThere is no install instruction for amd
11:04.57valdyndoojin: go for i386
11:05.17valdyndoojin: you will find there's not even an install instruction for 'pentium'
11:05.43doojinWas it i386 family?
11:05.57doojinI thought i386 was for intel chips
11:06.05tarzeaudoojin: also amd
11:06.19tarzeauor more generally, compatibles
11:06.26valdyndoojin: and cyrix and transmeta and via and uh, there's not just intel producing i386
11:06.32onetinsoldierdamn debian for their incompatible install-info! :-/
11:06.32doojinamd is x86?
11:06.38tarzeaudoojin: compatible, yes
11:06.47doojinInstallation Manual for Intel x86
11:06.49doojinCan I use it?
11:07.07roxy_valdyn: I am using amd64, you say that it is better to use i386 than amd64 ?
11:07.14tarzeauroxy_: yes
11:07.54valdynroxy_: I didnt evaluate anything
11:08.04roxy_lol, there is no boot floppy for amd64, so I installed i386, burned the amd64 boot cd, then install amd64.
11:08.20doojinhahahaha
11:08.28doojinI use 512MB usb memory stick
11:08.33doojinCan I use a cd version?
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11:08.53yerethvaldyn: what do I have to delete before rebuilding and installing the package?
11:09.30valdynyereth: delete?
11:09.39valdynyereth: why would you delete anything?
11:09.53wietz0r!gamp
11:09.53dpkgGay Asian Midget Pr0n!
11:10.22tarzeaudoojin: yes, the small cd ones?
11:10.27tarzeau!d-i
11:10.27dpkgFor stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i.
11:10.29ix!wietz0r
11:10.34yerethvaldyn:
11:10.34yerethTarget package file
11:10.34yereth/usr/src/fglrx-kernel-2.6.16-1-k7_8.24.8-1+2.6.16-11bpo1_i386.deb already
11:10.35yerethexists, not rebuilding!
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11:10.55yerethlopl
11:10.56yerethlol
11:11.01yerethI was kicked?
11:11.15doojintarzeau : the minimal netinstall cd
11:11.17yerethvaldyn: did you get my message?
11:11.26onetinsoldieryes.. you can't paste like that
11:11.31valdynyereth: maybe only partially
11:12.36yerethvaldyn: it said my fglrx-kernel already existed, so it wasn't rebuilding
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11:12.36roxy_<PROTECTED>
11:12.46yerethlol
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11:12.50yereththanx roxy_
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11:12.56yerethit wasn't that much though
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11:13.08SNowis there that kind of soft, that redirects ftp?
11:13.20SNownot port redirect
11:13.21onetinsoldieryereth: just delete that .deb then. and to let you know, i didn't have it build a .deb myself. i just let it build and install with the shell installer method
11:13.42yerethalright..
11:13.46SNowfor example I connecto 212.122.68.131 and he redirects me to 10.1.0.2
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11:14.13doojingod
11:14.21doojinThere are files for usb memory sticks
11:14.24valdynyereth: let it build debs, doing what onetinsoldier is workable but it may need manual fixing later on
11:14.29onetinsoldieri'm not saying the .deb build method won't work or anything. i think your main problem is that it sees xfree86 as being you x-windows-system... it sounds like anyway
11:14.41yerethit does
11:14.49yerethand so does the check.sh they provide
11:14.51valdynonetinsoldier: he told the installer that he was using sarge, which he is not
11:14.51roxy_valdyn: are all the unknown device on lspci device for which I don't have driver ?
11:15.16yerethvaldyn: one suggestion I've seen was setting the X_SERVER var
11:15.17valdynroxy_: nope, those are just devices which your database has no entry for, run 'update-pciids'
11:15.20yerethto 6.9 I believe
11:15.26SNowanyone?
11:15.42onetinsoldiervaldyn: yeah roger that. i saw what you were saying about that earlier
11:15.42valdynSNow: iptables does that
11:16.06SNowI need only for one user
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11:16.09SNowthat
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11:19.43doojinIt is a miracle
11:20.00doojinI only need to burn a memory stick
11:20.27liableburn a memory stick?
11:20.31jlawrofl
11:20.32egypcioto burn a mstick? 0.0
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11:21.03onetinsoldieryou mena burn the contents onto a cd or something?
11:21.07onetinsoldier*mean
11:21.15roxy_valdyn: thanks, but I think it still doesn't see the motherboard sound card: http://pastebin.com/729497
11:22.42yerethvaldyn: should I add the 'Option      "UseFBDev" "true"' option?
11:22.58valdynyereth: no
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11:23.04tarzeauliable: what does lesbian.mine.nu resolve to now?
11:23.16valdynroxy_: its not there then, either physically or disabled in bios
11:23.50yerethalrigtyho
11:23.58doojinsory
11:24.01jlawomfg ... ho made up that lesbian stuff XP
11:24.02yerethI'm running 1600x1200 on a 17" screen
11:24.05yereth;0
11:24.08doojinI just need to extract a img.gz to a memory stick
11:24.15roxy_valdyn: I'll reboot and have a look in the bios then, thanks for your help.
11:24.18tarzeaujlaw: does it work?
11:24.31jlawsey, it does !-)
11:24.32liable195.176.50.50
11:24.39tarzeauliable: crap
11:24.40jlawo_O sey = yes ^^
11:24.49tarzeaujlaw: and www.lesbian.mine.nu/priceless/ ?
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11:25.17jlawtarzeau: works fine
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11:25.35onetinsoldieryereth: you get it working?
11:26.47yerethonetinsoldier: yes it's working :)
11:26.48onetinsoldierkiller! what did you do?
11:27.02yerethI used the etch setting instead of sarge, like valdyn suggested
11:27.16onetinsoldierroger...nice call valdyn!
11:27.38yerethI'm very happy about this :)
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11:27.57jlawi have to shave ... but i wonder if i need a lawn mower -.-
11:27.58yerethI converted my windows machine succesfully into a multimedia enabled linux machine
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11:28.27onetinsoldierhehe cool
11:28.28yerethand now for something completely different: disable those damn annoying system sounds
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11:30.01yerethargggg
11:30.06yerethhow doo  you put it off?
11:30.23welpwhere do i edit the network settings? (gateway, static IP and so on)
11:30.23yerethah
11:30.26yereththe kde window manager
11:30.55welpi'm talking text files btw...
11:30.59yereth:)
11:31.14Coweaterwelp: man interfaces, /etc/network/interfaces
11:31.20yereth"/etc/network/interfaces"
11:31.22jlawtarzeau: did you create that stuff?
11:31.32yerethah too late
11:31.36welpCoweater, yereth, thought so, thanks
11:32.00tarzeaujlaw: obviously
11:32.32jlawtarzeau: can you advise me a comfortable html editor (some clicky stuff) ?
11:32.49Coweaterquanta, nvu
11:32.54jlawtarzeau: i once tried NVU ... but i had to extract all css-code by hand
11:33.25jlawtarzeau: and it's pretty complicated
11:33.47tarzeaujlaw: nope, there's no good html editor but any $EDITOR
11:33.56Coweaterbluefish has some clicky stuff
11:34.08jlawtarzeau: i expected that :(
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11:34.30tarzeaujlaw: some people use the mozilla html editor...
11:34.33tarzeaujlaw: i don't like it
11:34.59liablehrm, i just built a streamripper.deb, if i tab complete it, it gives me streamripper/ and another tab gives me the source, but if i dont tab complete it works fine..
11:35.06jlawtarzeau: last time i edited something i used nvu to create the base but then i've written 90% by hand
11:35.46tarzeaujlaw: i do all by hand or scripts
11:36.13jlawbtw ... has anybody experiences with python extensions vor apache2 ?
11:36.26jlawv=f o.O
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11:38.39jlawtarzeau: do you use php for scripting?
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11:39.20tarzeaujlaw: nope. no perl, no php, no python. all shell/awk/sed
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11:40.35jetscreamer!php
11:40.35dpkgmethinks php is #php or http://www.php.net/.  Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI).  PHP5 now in etch/sid
11:40.47jlawtarzeau: k ... the thing is that i'm used to c++ and python, but i have only used some python frameworks for web programming which were just too slow for serious use
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11:42.20robin_szmod_perl and Template::Toolkit is one way to go
11:43.18robin_szuse Perl to code the classes, T::T to create the presentation layer ... its a pretty good way of implenetign MVC style code segregation
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11:45.00ircdevilanyone knows how to access data on a motorola v3 phone connected via usb? apparently it is not usb-storage ...
11:45.10tarzeauircdevil: hah
11:45.16jlawtarzeau: but with shell/awk/sed you're far away from system independence
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11:45.40tarzeaujlaw: i run a webserver since 6 years
11:45.47tarzeaujlaw: and my scripts work on any unix
11:45.51jlawtarzeau: i like the stuff i write to run on every system
11:45.59tarzeaujlaw: so do i, except windows
11:46.00ircdeviltarzeau: hah what?
11:46.10tarzeauircdevil: my scripts work on solaris, linux and freebsd
11:46.18tarzeauircdevil: that's enough for me, and i could get them to run on openstep too
11:46.22ircdeviltarzeau: what script?
11:46.29tarzeauircdevil: any cgi's i write
11:46.45tarzeauircdevil: or even more generally any shell scripts i write
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11:46.46ircdevil?
11:47.09eguzkiahelp
11:47.16jlawtarzeau: basically i aim on writing games, so it might come in handy if they run on windows^^
11:47.17ircdeviltarzeau: well, good for you :o)
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11:51.24npplsthxCan someone help me, I'm trying to access my linux machine via a windows one using ssh, I keep getting message connecting to port 22:Connection refused
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11:51.43npplsthxI'm on a home network
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11:52.06valdynnpplsthx: and your debian box is where?
11:52.18john_xzyxzyhi, I have a problem about proftpd.  from remote site to login into my proftpd is slowly, but after login, transfer file is very quick. I did this in my LAN.
11:52.23npplsthxon the same wireless network, its right next to me
11:52.35formorerjohn_xzyxzy: active/passive problem
11:52.48valdynnpplsthx: you can ping that debian box?
11:52.54john_xzyxzyformorer,  so...?
11:52.57npplsthxi had rsync and ssh working earlier, i could connect to debian box with ssh, now it doesnt even recognize it
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11:53.26npplsthxhow do i?
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11:53.32formorerjohn_xzyxzy: fix your firewall or force the clients to use the working version :)
11:53.35valdynnpplsthx: man ping
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11:53.57npplsthxping and ip?
11:54.06valdynnpplsthx: for instance
11:54.22john_xzyxzyformorer, what is working version?
11:54.52npplsthxpinged 192.168.1.100?
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11:55.13doojinhi
11:55.14npplsthxi dont know how to ping the debian box exactly
11:55.19doojinI downloaded hd-media/boot.img.gz
11:55.32valdyn!ping
11:55.33dpkgpong
11:55.33doojinHow can I write it on the memory stick?
11:55.43valdynnpplsthx: ping <ip of debian box>
11:55.56streunerdoojin: by reading ig?
11:56.08npplsthxit shares router with window box so they would be same ip?
11:56.20valdyndoojin: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/whatever
11:56.29doojinvaldyn : I don't use linux
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11:56.33doojinI'm on windows
11:56.39streunerdoojin: d-i.pascal.at has an HOWTO to use USB-Sticks in order to install Debian
11:56.41formorerjohn_xzyxzy: try passive ftp
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11:57.20john_xzyxzyformorrer, what is passive ftp?  :P
11:57.21streunerdoojin: that doesn't work, IIRC
11:57.35formorerjohn_xzyxzy: wikipedia helps :)
11:57.54doojinoops
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11:58.32valdynnpplsthx: i give up, read some book about tcp/ip basics
11:58.39npplsthxthanks a lot
11:58.41john_xzyxzyok, I will see wikipedia. thanks, formorer.
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11:59.37doojinmother
11:59.45blondieyes son?
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12:01.25abrotmanyay .. he still hasn't bred
12:01.45jetscreamermy clones will take over the world!
12:01.53abrotman!clone jetscreamer
12:02.09abrotmanblondie: eh .. isn't that .. physically impossible?
12:02.19blondieabrotman: erm why?
12:02.34blondie*slap*
12:02.59blondieeveryone on IRC thinks I'm a she :(
12:03.00abrotmanmust have been someone else who started showing up at the same time
12:03.07abrotmanblondie: could be .. your nick?
12:03.16blondieblondie was a band1
12:03.22blondies/1/!
12:03.31abrotmanyeah ... whose singer .. was a girl
12:03.41abrotmanblondie was also .. dagwood's wife
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12:03.45POVaddctdebbie harry
12:03.58blondieblondie != debbie harry
12:04.05abrotmanyes ... we're aware of that
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12:04.22abrotmanbut noone can name anyone else in the band .. unless they were a 15 year old boy in 1982
12:04.23blondieblondie was the MALE main role in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
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12:04.40blondieI was a 15 month old BOY in 1982 c.c
12:04.45abrotmani'm so old
12:04.48lastnodeer guys? is #gentoo barred for anyone else?
12:05.00lastnodeit's redirecting, and a whole lot of people are getting k-lined in #gentoo-unreg
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12:05.03abrotmanlastnode: you can't make us fall for that trick!
12:05.46blondiegentoo sux0r mmkay
12:05.55blondieand I expect that includes #gentoo :P
12:06.24abrotmanlastnode: they might be getting join-flooded
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12:06.33abrotmanbah
12:07.11jetscreamerno you were the ugly one
12:07.13abrotmanblondie: damn you .. now i have 'tide is high' stuck in my head!
12:07.27POVaddctabrotman: and "heart of glass" :)
12:07.34abrotmanno .. not that one
12:07.50blondieabrotman: shall I sing to you?
12:08.13abrotmanit won't be just me :)
12:08.27abrotmanand if a 'guy' can hit those notes .. we've got problems
12:08.48blondiedon't put quotes around guy like that :P
12:09.23liablestop saying it
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12:10.17abrotmanliable is a sheep
12:10.30blondielastnode_: #gentoo webpage claim +r means only registered people can join (it doesn't, that's +R), also I'm registered and identified and can't join. therefore, they're on crack :)
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12:10.43abrotmanor have stupid ops
12:10.59lastnode_blondie, a whole lot of people got k-lined in #gentoo-unregistered
12:11.03abrotmanyay .. nobody on duty in /stats p
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12:11.41lastnode_:)
12:12.14liable!baah
12:12.15dpkgbaaaaaaaah
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12:12.24abrotmanlastnode: go try again
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12:12.52Tidus#gentoo just got botnetted
12:13.00lastnode_oh yeah
12:13.12lastnode_Bearperson :)
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12:13.14abrotmanlastnode: see .. that's how you find out .. you ask .. where it's related
12:13.15doojinhi
12:13.19Tidusit got set +r for the time being to keep the botters out, and it's also +m
12:13.20liablegood to see they are spreading it around..
12:13.31blondieTidus: +r has nothing to do with anything.
12:13.37blondiewell
12:13.41blondieit should be +R
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12:13.50Tidusor +R ... whichever keeps unregg'd out
12:13.58doojinI extracted boot.img.gz to a memory stick, and it doesn't work at all, why?
12:14.01abrotmanoh well ... doesn't matter .. not related to debian ...
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12:14.15abrotmanmaybe they should recompile thier channel .. to uhm .. work faster?
12:14.15blondieunless freenode has weird modes :)
12:14.29phyrsterwhich package contains Xlib header?
12:14.30abrotmanblondie: freenode.net .. check the "Using the Network" page
12:14.42liabledoojin: where did you read that doing that would work? actually, what are you trying to do?
12:14.44abrotmanphyrster: apt-cache search xlibs dev
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12:15.29phyrsterabrotman: xlibs-static-dev - transitional metapackage
12:15.29doojinliable : I extracted boot.img.gz to boot.img
12:15.30phyrsterxlibs-static-pic - X Window System client extension library PIC archives
12:15.41phyrsterabrotman: not sure which to use.
12:15.43doojinliable : and I extracted boot.img to my usb memory stick.
12:15.50abrotmanphyrster: are you on sid ?
12:15.53doojinliable : I booted with the stick, but it didn't work
12:15.55phyrsterabrotman: yes
12:15.56liabledoojin: ok. what doc are you following?
12:16.06abrotmanphyrster: uhm .. i think it's some thing else .. like x-dev or something
12:16.14doojinliable : no doc
12:16.16quittedoojin: you have to dump it to the stick
12:16.29abrotmanphyrster: might want to check the wiki.debian.org/X69To7 or whatever it is
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12:16.31doojinliable : Actually http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.ko
12:16.39phyrsterabrotman: ok
12:17.17doojinquitte : how do I dump it?
12:17.39quittedoojin: im prettysure its in the docs
12:17.45abrotmanphyrster: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
12:17.55abrotmanphyrster: see if anything there is related
12:17.56doojinquitte : and it is done in linux, I'm on windows
12:18.01quittedoojin: something about dd
12:18.05quittedoojin: oh
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12:18.14_ThePiratemasterhi everyone
12:18.15doojinquitte : I use winimage program
12:18.15quittedoojin: rawrite,maybe
12:18.50liabledoojin: i tried that once, did you put syslinux on it? i treied that also and ended up copying grub to it and it worked fine after that
12:19.23doojinliable : the doc says extract boot.img.gz to a memory stick.
12:19.29doojinhey
12:19.32doojinI have it
12:20.01liabledoojin: the doc actually gives a pretty specific way to do that..
12:20.42calleeis there any good html visualization for sensor data?
12:20.46doojinliable : the boot.img.gz has syslinux
12:22.08liableerr. funny i dont see anything in tat page that says that..
12:23.56_ThePiratemastershould pureftpd allow unix-users to logg in without having a virtual user for it?
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12:24.10liabledoojin: oh, ok, you are doing it from the first part. how are zcatting from windows?
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12:24.39doojinliable : I don't find it
12:24.39GaiaX11I've noticed that i have lots of broken symlinks. Is there a way of fixing them at once? Is there a command line or a program to to that?
12:24.50doojinI'm going to reboot
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12:25.44PDanihi
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12:26.22PDaniwhere can i set, that my bios time is set to local time?
12:26.45_ThePiratemastershould pureftpd allow unix-users to logg in without having a virtual user for it?
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12:27.25liable!set the time
12:27.26dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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12:27.27cahootPDani: mean system time/clock? look at /etc/default/rcS
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12:27.34liablemeh, wrong one
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12:29.04Yan^Hello people, How to install Java runtime environment on debain (etch)? I tried apt-cache search, but there is no java runtime environment (JRE) package. Also on the JAVA site they propose only rpm s
12:29.16blondieYan^: no they don't
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12:29.28blondiethe java site has an installer that isn't RPM
12:29.30liable!tell Yan^ about java-package
12:29.54abrotman!install java
12:29.54dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine".  if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable.
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12:33.07Yan^liable: manay thanks. You say that "java-package" contains JRE?
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12:33.50jlawYan^: it does
12:34.15liableYan^: no, it can build a deb from the java installer. read the links dpkg gave you.
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12:35.23Yan^Ok, thanks. What do you think about installing JRE from roms using alien?
12:35.40abrotmanno
12:35.52Yan^sorry rpms
12:35.53abrotmanjlaw: no it doesn't
12:36.05abrotmanYan^: no .. use java-package ... and the correct file from sun
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12:36.32Yan^I see so actually it is a 2 step sto;ry, right?
12:36.46abrotman!java-package
12:36.47dpkgsomebody said java-package was a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;
12:36.50jlawYan^: my fault ... mixed something up^^
12:37.07Yan^okok thanks I got the explanation already
12:37.09jlawYan^: https://sdlc5a.sun.com:443/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=7D4E70AAB7BBE9E63302D45D2464D42A
12:37.29jlaw^^
12:37.42tarzeauabrotman!
12:37.46jlawTHIEF !!!
12:38.13tarzeaujlaw: better just have the shopkeepers stuff stealed than murdered him, no?
12:38.20tarzeauabrotman: i usually murder them brutally
12:38.28abrotmantarzeau: murder who?
12:38.31abrotmanjava users?
12:38.36jlawlol
12:38.36tarzeauabrotman: shopkeepers
12:38.49jlawyou know the most cruel thing in the world?
12:38.59tarzeaujava users don't exist (in nethack)
12:39.02RichiHjlaw: pancakes
12:39.03jlawjava is fucking slow, especially on linux
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12:39.06abrotmantarzeau: oh
12:39.11jlawpython is just ugly
12:39.12tarzeaujlaw: on os x too
12:39.21tarzeaujlaw: tried objective-c?
12:39.29abrotmancrachead
12:39.30jlawbut most cruel is jython ... something between java and python
12:39.47abrotmanwould you prefer J# ?
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12:39.58jlawi prefere c-- !-)
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12:40.31jlawbut best ever is brain fuck XP
12:40.40abrotmana java programmer friend of mine showed me that some jackass is going to make it possible to run VB code on a JRE
12:40.47abrotmanjlaw: try whitespace
12:41.04phyrsterwhen updating, I got this message:
12:41.08phyrsterGet:5 http://debian.cn99.com unstable/contrib Packages/DiffIndex [12.5kB]
12:41.09phyrsterGet:6 2006-05-18-1323.35.pdiff [9531B]
12:41.13jlaw!brainfuck
12:41.13dpkgit has been said that brainfuck is a Turing complete language at http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/
12:41.19abrotmanphyrster: so what?
12:41.20phyrsterwhat are these pdiff files about?
12:41.24abrotman!pdiff
12:41.25dpkgpdiff is probably http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/computers/debian/apt-pdiff-support_13-05-2006
12:41.30phyrsternever sthem before
12:41.31abrotmanor read your DWN
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12:42.15Yan^thanks everybody
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12:42.56elvirolohi all
12:43.06elvirolodoes anyone use amarok and sid ?
12:43.23abrotman!anyone use
12:43.24dpkgNo, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
12:43.47abrotman!ask
12:43.47dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:44.48phyrsterabrotman: those ! talk stuns most of the newbies
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12:45.09PenguinL0v3rhello
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12:45.16liabledo they?
12:45.17paperboyolleh
12:45.17abrotmanphyrster: i'm not a bot!
12:45.22PenguinL0v3rI've got a question.
12:45.25paperboyme too
12:45.33abrotmanso just ask
12:45.37paperboysorry, me either
12:45.45PenguinL0v3rI am trying to mount Audio CD
12:45.54ircdevil<PROTECTED>
12:45.55GneaPenguinL0v3r: impossible.
12:45.58abrotmanPenguinL0v3r: you don't
12:46.00liablePenguinL0v3r: you dont mount audio cd's
12:46.01PenguinL0v3rnormally audio CD cannot be mounted
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12:46.06paperboy(-_)
12:46.09PenguinL0v3rthere is a way
12:46.09ircdevil(heheheheh)
12:46.11formorerPenguinL0v3r: not entirely true
12:46.14quitteGnea: actually there is a kernel patch for that somewhere
12:46.16PenguinL0v3ryea
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12:46.24PenguinL0v3rcdfs
12:46.28formorerbut normaly unneccessary
12:46.28Gneainteresting
12:46.33PenguinL0v3rso I would like to ask
12:46.35abrotmanbut why would you want to ?
12:46.39PenguinL0v3rwho knows cdfs
12:46.44PenguinL0v3rto mount audio cd
12:46.51Gnea!enter
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12:46.52abrotman#kernel?
12:46.52dpkgThe enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or  ellipsis '...' instead.  Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).
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12:46.57quittePenguinL0v3r: why would you want to?
12:47.08paperboysound tracks != data tracks
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12:47.16PenguinL0v3rquitte, just want to try it
12:47.20abrotmanpaperboy: that's not a question!
12:47.37PenguinL0v3rquitte, do you know how to mount an audio cd using cdfs?
12:47.42paperboythat's for PenguinL0v3r
12:47.44quittePenguinL0v3r: just use the cdaudio kio thingie in kde
12:47.47phyrsterabrotman: I know you are not a bot. I have seen you around a lot. What I meant to say is that newbies can be scared way by those ! warnings.
12:47.58arturdoes anyone have nvidia-glx binary package for etch?
12:47.59phyrsterthey sound harsh
12:48.00insidiusIs it possible to download files while sshing?
12:48.02abrotmanphyrster: it's not a warning ..
12:48.06PenguinL0v3rquitte, I know it works in kde but I want to mount it
12:48.11dbeinsidius, yes
12:48.14phyrsterabrotman: it indeed sound harsh for new comers
12:48.17abrotmanphyrster: and the guy that was intended for .. has been here before
12:48.26jlawartur: just download the package from nvidia.com ... it works fine on my distro
12:48.31PenguinL0v3rDebian has a package called cdfs-src
12:48.31phyrsterabrotman: see artur's question just now?
12:48.40PenguinL0v3ri have already installed it
12:48.48insidiuswould you happen to know the command dbe?
12:48.48abrotmanphyrster: and? .. he can /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
12:48.50PenguinL0v3rnow the program is I still could not mount it
12:48.54PenguinL0v3ranyone can help?
12:48.56PenguinL0v3rthanks!
12:48.58GneaPenguinL0v3r: there's probably a howto that you can find via google.
12:48.58blondieabduction
12:49.05dbeinsidius, no
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12:49.12PenguinL0v3rI have read all the hows to
12:49.13arturjilaw: but i/ve already done it and when system starts I obtain information that nvidia module "taints kernel"
12:49.16quittePenguinL0v3r: cdfs-src package comes with docs. read them.
12:49.19dbeinsidius, I'm just guessing to be honest
12:49.19Gneano you haven't.
12:49.21PenguinL0v3rreally?
12:49.25insidiusahh isee
12:49.26Gneaif you had, you wouldn't be here now.
12:49.30Gnea:)
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12:49.37PenguinL0v3rquitte, how can i find cdfs-src docs?
12:49.43dbeinsidius, it should be design that way
12:49.51Gneaheh
12:49.51abrotmaninsidius: you don't know how to download ?
12:49.52zu22morning, trying to get grub running, i did "update-grub" but when i try to next do "grub-install" it keeps asking for INSTALL_DEVICE. what argument(s) should i give to "grub-install"?
12:49.53jlawartur: that's interesting ... which kernel do you use, and you build it yourself?
12:49.58arturNo
12:50.06PenguinL0v3rquitte, how do you searh the doc in Debian?
12:50.06abrotmanzu22: man grub-install
12:50.10cahootPenguinL0v3r: bewae - last I tried it hung the system
12:50.17GneaPenguinL0v3r: /usr/share/doc/
12:50.22PenguinL0v3rGnea, thanks
12:50.23arturI use 2.6.15-1-486
12:50.27insidiusknow i dont
12:50.30zu22abrotman: i did
12:50.31paperboycdfs != iso9660?
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12:50.40Gneapaperboy != helpful
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12:50.44elvirolook, i use amarok & debian sid, and musibrainz doesn't seem to work ... when i try & use it, my CPU usage rises up to 90% for a few seconds and then nothing happens
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12:50.45insidiusI usally ftp it, but that is not possible this time. I can only access this through ssh
12:50.47zu22abrotman: the man page is barebones, all it says is to specify a INSTALL_DEVICE :( but it doens't say what that means
12:50.48abrotmaninsidius: what are you trying to download ?
12:50.53dbeinsidius, what are you trying to download, which protocol do you want to use?
12:50.54paperboy..
12:50.58insidiusa .tar file of a site backup
12:50.59Gnea.
12:51.03liablezu22: grub-installe /dev/foo
12:51.05PenguinL0v3rGnea, I dont find cdfs-src doc under /usr/share/doc
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12:51.13abrotmanINSTALL_DEVICE can be a GRUB device name or a system device filename.
12:51.17jlawartur: only problem i encountered with the nvidia package was that i had compiled nvidia buffer support into the kernel which was conflicting with the nvidia modules
12:51.24abrotmaninsidius: try wget
12:51.27GneaPenguinL0v3r: maybe the source has its own docs dir
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12:51.29insidiusAha
12:51.32insidiusI was trying get
12:51.36zu22liable: i have /hda as my disk, does that mean i should do /dev/hda or /dev/hda2 (root partition)?
12:51.41PenguinL0v3ri am not very familiar with Debian
12:51.48liablehda
12:51.56Gnea!tell PenguinL0v3r about newbie_guide
12:51.59insidiusThat certainly did work abrotman. Thank you once more. I was using get without the w
12:52.07Gnea!tell PenguinL0v3r about newbiedoc
12:52.12jlawartur: which graphic chipset do you have?
12:52.15abrotmaninsidius: you're welcome
12:52.15zu22abrotman: i know, didnt understand what it was expecting
12:52.26zu22liable: thanks man
12:52.32GneaPenguinL0v3r: lots of refreshing debian documentation to help you out :)
12:52.41abrotmanzu22: a grub device or system devince name! :)
12:52.43PenguinL0v3rwait, how do you locate cdfs-src ?
12:52.50PenguinL0v3rwhich commands shall i use?
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12:53.02Gneaagain, you'll need to read the debian newbie docs
12:53.16Gneaand learn how to use the system so that you'll know how to, well, use it
12:53.18zu22abrotman: why didn't it just say 'specify your hard disk' lol~
12:53.22PenguinL0v3rdont worry, i will read it
12:53.28Gneathen please, do so now
12:53.31PenguinL0v3rbut this one i am asking you is not a big issue
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12:53.41abrotmanzu22: it did
12:53.43PenguinL0v3ryou can straight away help me right?
12:53.56Gneano, because i don't know the answer
12:53.56PenguinL0v3ri use "locate cdfs-src" command
12:53.59zu22abrotman: ok i see that now but when i read it i didn't know what it meant.
12:54.04tarzeaumkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size
12:54.05tarzeau<PROTECTED>
12:54.07formorercdfs is crap
12:54.08PenguinL0v3rGnea, thanks for your honesty
12:54.12abrotmanzu22: apparently :)
12:54.14formoreruse the fuse plugin
12:54.16jMCgHmmhmmmmhmm.....
12:54.17elviroloand my printer doesn't work ... i've added it using the cups web interface, it was detected and so on, but it doesn't print jobs
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12:54.24PenguinL0v3rok
12:54.24Gneanow see, if you'd stop wasting my time, and yours, you'd know the answer to your question sooner
12:54.25formorermuch easier :)
12:54.46PenguinL0v3ranybody knows cdfs-src here?
12:54.48jlawartur?
12:54.48Gnealike, how locate actually works
12:54.51Gnea!anybody
12:54.52dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
12:54.57zu22abrotman: i am excited to be trying grub for first time, after i test that it works i will be installing 2.6.3 kernel (running 2.2.30-idepci now)
12:54.58GneaPenguinL0v3r: please, stop trolling
12:55.08PenguinL0v3rGnea, what?
12:55.14abrotmanzu22: sounds like .. an adventure for sure
12:55.18Gnea!ask
12:55.18dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:55.18PenguinL0v3rI am asking a question.
12:55.20cahootPenguinL0v3r: it's easily found with google
12:55.30PenguinL0v3rI told you right?
12:55.31zu22abrotman: onwards and upwards :P
12:55.33GneaPenguinL0v3r: ^^^ well that's how you properly ask in here.
12:55.43PenguinL0v3rI have searched google and read and tried
12:55.52Gneawhat have you read and tried?
12:55.54PenguinL0v3rthats why I am here
12:55.55Gneathat makes no sense.
12:55.56PenguinL0v3ryes
12:56.02PenguinL0v3rok forget it
12:56.06abrotmanTO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
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12:56.07zu22penguinL0v3r: use google.com/linux
12:56.09Gneawith pleasure.
12:56.09jMCgWhere can one find general info about Debian projets... [I just found out that there's a Debian/NetBSD as well... so I was wondering...]
12:56.15PenguinL0v3ras long as you are here, Gnea , I wont ask any more questions
12:56.19zu22abrotman: heh very fitting for Debian ;)
12:56.26elvirolothe problem is when one asks a question he or she doesn't know whether the others have read it or not because he/she gets no replies
12:56.30tarzeaujMCg: debian and bsd?
12:56.33tarzeaujMCg: www.debian.org
12:56.37abrotmanzu22: you mean because there was a release named "Buzz" ?
12:56.44zu22abrtoman: yeah
12:56.45arturjlaw: GeForce 4 Mx 440SE
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12:56.58GneaPenguinL0v3r: it won't matter if i am or am not here, you'll still get the same response, if no response at all.
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12:57.01jlawartur: k ... wait a sec
12:57.04arturjlaw: Is that what you meant?
12:57.14PenguinL0v3rGnea, hey
12:57.22PenguinL0v3rGnea, what is the problem ?
12:57.34PenguinL0v3rGnea, I am here to get a support
12:57.35phyrsterabrotman: this link is broken here(about pdiff and apt) http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/computers/debian/apt-pdiff-support_13-05-2006
12:57.35arturjlaw: but when I used nvidia-glx everything went fine
12:57.37GneaPenguinL0v3r: the problem is that you refuse the kind of help that we are offering.
12:57.38zu22i saw there's even a book that exhaustively covers how to make use of google
12:57.51abrotmanphyrster: works ehre
12:57.52PenguinL0v3rGnea, what help?
12:57.56jMCgtarzeau, I was more wondering about IRC ;) [because chanserv informed me that this a GNU/Linux channel only
12:57.59arturHow can I register to use privat chat?
12:57.59GneaPenguinL0v3r: yes, and you are being very demanding in the way you want that support.
12:58.01PenguinL0v3rGnea, so far I did not receive any help
12:58.04GneaPenguinL0v3r: we don't play that here.
12:58.16GneaPenguinL0v3r: yes you did, you chose to ignore it.
12:58.19PenguinL0v3rGnea, the problem is you are full of igo.
12:58.22tarzeaujMCg: there's #gnu-kbsd
12:58.25liableartur: /msg nickserv register help
12:58.29abrotmanphyrster: http://www.us.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/20/
12:58.30tarzeaujMCg: chanserv doesn't know. it's for all debian here
12:58.36liableor help register..
12:58.39jMCgtarzeau, ACK
12:58.40tarzeaujMCg: but there's also specialised ones, i think the faq has a list
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12:58.51PenguinL0v3rGnea, *ego
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12:59.24jlawartur: i just wondered if that chipset is supported by the nvidia package - but it should
12:59.24GneaPenguinL0v3r: take a look in /usr/src/ already
12:59.30zu22PenguinL0v3r: insulting people isn't a great way to get them to help you.
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12:59.36jlawartur may you repeat the error message?
12:59.41arturliable: thanx
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12:59.45PenguinL0v3rzu22, I am not insulting ppl
12:59.47elvirolowhoops
12:59.52GneaPenguinL0v3r: and when someone tells you what you need to read, you better damn well go read it.
12:59.54PenguinL0v3rzu22, I am stating the fact
13:00.05PenguinL0v3rhahahah
13:00.07Gneano, that is your opinion
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13:00.23PenguinL0v3ryea this channel is not own by you
13:00.27PenguinL0v3rand linux is not owned by you
13:00.33PenguinL0v3rso whats wrong with you?
13:00.50Gneathis is freenode, not efnet
13:00.52Ronini see sundays in full swing all ready
13:00.54arturjlaw: Give me a while
13:01.03GneaPenguinL0v3r: you are offtopic.
13:01.04jlawPenguiL0v3r, nor by you
13:01.10PenguinL0v3rGnea, you too
13:01.18randall_omg
13:01.24zu22Ronin: you missed the channel attacks earlier this morning :)
13:01.33randall_great
13:01.50arturjlaw: NVIDIA module taints the kernel
13:02.10arturjlaw: how can I register a nickname
13:02.24blondieask nickserv
13:02.42asgartur: /msg nickserv help
13:02.52zu22artur: -> <liable> artur: /msg nickserv register help
13:03.14asgGnea: better to go and get a beer
13:03.16PenguinL0v3rhey.. anyone here except Gnea  got experiences with "cdfs"?
13:03.17arturbut it does;tn help
13:03.19liableGnea: beer 'o' clock
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13:03.20blondiePenguinL0v3r: beastiality is bad mmkay
13:03.23arturWait I aks my friend
13:03.24Gneaasg: just cracked it open :)
13:03.29abrotmanPenguinL0v3r: it's not in the debian kernel .. ask #kernel
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13:03.35RoninGnea: remember they only come in 6's or better
13:03.36jlawartur: seems like that is a failure caused by the nvidia package and the only thing you can do is to wait until nvidia fixes it
13:03.47PenguinL0v3rabrotman, i am not asking kernel questions
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13:03.50zu22Gnea: i like to relax with a nice game of Xgalaga :-P
13:03.54GneaRonin: 32oz sounds better to me :)
13:04.03RoninGnea: heh
13:04.08PenguinL0v3rblondie, hi lady
13:04.09abrotmanPenguinL0v3r: yes you are .. the debian kernel doesn't have support for CDFS afaik
13:04.10jlawartur: anyway it works fine with my 2.6.16.16 kernel
13:04.12abrotman!fuse
13:04.12dpkgrumour has it, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.
13:04.15liablehahha
13:04.21blondiePenguinL0v3r: please don't call me that
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13:04.35PenguinL0v3rabrotman, then why debian package contains cdfs-src?
13:04.36zu22lol
13:04.38arturjlaw: Why they removed the nvidia-glx package?
13:04.53abrotmanPenguinL0v3r: because you have to compile it yourself
13:04.57Roninhad a life change or something blondie that we dont know about? :)
13:04.58jlawartur: really don't know, sorry
13:05.09PenguinL0v3rabrotman, thanks
13:05.10blondieRonin: huh?
13:05.10abrotmanPenguinL0v3r: try module-assistant
13:05.10arturHmmmmm
13:05.15PenguinL0v3rabrotman, that makes sense
13:05.27Roninmistype never mind, apparently i need more coffee too
13:05.41PenguinL0v3rabrotman, I have downloaded and installed cdfs-src
13:05.48zagzighm i'm having a problem installing libc6-dev on a box i just installed testing on
13:05.53blondieis that for sneakernet support?
13:05.59abrotmanPenguinL0v3r: so look in the docs .. /usr/share/doc/cdfs-src/* or something like that
13:06.00zagzigis this a good place to get help?
13:06.02jlawartur: but i'm sure it can still be found in some listings, so have a look for it if you think that it serves your needs
13:06.03blondieRonin: I have never been a lady.
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13:06.09PenguinL0v3rabrotman, pls wait
13:06.13abrotmanPLEASE
13:06.16abrotmanmoronspeak sucks
13:06.18Roninblondie: thats what i figured :)
13:06.21Gnea!pls
13:06.21dpkgCud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron.
13:06.35timgoh0blondie: It could be for you to load modules via floppy.
13:06.42blondiehmm
13:06.43zu22!pls
13:06.43dpkgCud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron.
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13:06.52insidiusOk so what if the file i want is buried on the server and i need to use wget
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13:07.02lssHi, if I download at 20kbps, and times (x) that by 100, how many megabytes do i have?
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13:07.04abrotmaninsidius: is it on an ftp or http server?
13:07.06PenguinL0v3rabrotman, thank you, i got it and I will continue trying it. And thats all for me now.
13:07.07liable@annoy me
13:07.07ravenbirdliable:  Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm????
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13:07.20insidiusabrotman its through ssh and i have not ftp access
13:07.22blondielss: what?
13:07.23PenguinL0v3rblondie, hi honey, bye
13:07.29abrotmaninsidius: where is this .tar file?
13:07.30lssblondie,  Hi, if I download at 20kbps, and times (x) that by 100, how many megabytes do i have?.....
13:07.37kriel... isn't the command for installing irssi just apt-get install irssi ...?
13:07.40blondielss: that question doesn't make sense
13:07.40liablePenguinL0v3r: dont be a tard
13:07.45tarzeaukriel: irssi-text
13:07.47insidius/home/user/public/name.tar.bz2
13:07.48lssblondie,  you just don't understand it
13:07.48abrotmaninsidius: you're saying .. the .tar file is on a remote server that you only have ssh access to ?
13:07.49liablekriel: irssi-text
13:07.50blondielss: do you mean you're downloading for 100 seconds?
13:07.52PenguinL0v3rliable, :P
13:07.52insidiusyes
13:08.04insidiusIts a very long story
13:08.06blondielss: no, you're just asking badly.
13:08.09lssblondie,  no, i want to times (MULTIPLY) it by 100.
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13:08.11kriel... crap. ... thanks guys. -goes to install decent chat client Xx;
13:08.27abrotmaninsidius: i misunderstood .. try scp .. man scp .. or scp username@server:path/to/file localfilename.ext
13:08.32prophileHow do I / is it possible to mount an FTP server as if it was a filesystem?
13:08.37blondielss: your question makes no sense at all
13:08.38timgoh0lss: ENOCONTEXT.
13:08.43abrotmanprophile: ftpfs
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13:09.08formoreragain: use fuse :)
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13:10.28abrotman!tell kriel about root
13:10.31abrotmanagain ...
13:10.54lssIM downloading a fie that's 500terabytes. (lets just say).. Now, I'm downloading it at the pace of 20KBPS. Now, Say if I had a special machine that could multiply my download speed by 100 times (thats the X in the calculator, which means TIMES).. I AM wondering how fast the download speed would be after this.. (Would it be 20MBPS .. MBPS = megabytes per second).. I want to know the exact KBPS (KBPS = kilobytes per second) I would get after multipl
13:10.54lssying it by 100.
13:11.03zu22500terabytes?
13:11.06zu22haha
13:11.09blondielol
13:11.26abrotmantry that on dialup
13:11.28blondielss: sorry but your units are all wrong
13:11.37timgoh0lss: What media and what protocol and what transport are you doing this over?
13:11.41blondielss: don't be patronising when you're the one being dim
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13:11.44timgoh0Go read up on framing overheads.
13:11.44lssblondie,  the units i measure in doesn't matter
13:11.54blondie"don't matter"
13:12.07zu22abrotman: that would be hell :)
13:12.14abrotmanzu22: sneakernet rules!
13:12.16jlaw!tell lss brain
13:12.23abrotmannice
13:12.24lssim trying to calculate how effeciant a network of computers will be (100 computers) when all uploading at 20kbps. I wanted to know the speed of which they would upload
13:12.25insidiusNo matter what i do it just keeps telling me how to use it
13:12.26zu22abrotman: nike packet switching :P
13:12.42timgoh0Err, can someone here tell me what the difference between inch and cm is? I'm planning to build a spacecraft.
13:12.51blondielss: well, they'd all upload at 20kbps wouldn't they
13:12.52Gnealss: put together a cluster and find out
13:13.00abrotmaninsidius: scp
13:13.01timgoh0lss: You need to consider the media, and the transport, and what you're transferring over.
13:13.04lssblondie,  yes i know that, but how fast would the overall speed b?
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13:13.18abrotmaninsidius: scp <yourusername>@remoteserver:path/to/file.tar localfilename.tar
13:13.25zu22timgoh0: just use the flux capacitor! :)
13:13.25lsstimgoh0,  it's a simple question really, i'm not taking into accounts of the type of data
13:13.26blondieanyway this isn't a debian question at all.
13:13.27Andontimgoh0: there's a difference? :P
13:13.31timgoh0lss: Again, what media, transport and protocol?
13:13.36krielhey, does anybody know a way to change the terminal colors for JUST root?
13:13.46Coweaterif you discount medium limitations and switching limitations, 2000 kilobytes/sec
13:13.48Gnealss: no, it's not, without any real data to back it up
13:13.49timgoh0abrotman: Ow.
13:13.54lsstimgoh0,  the protocol does not matter. I am looking for the simple calculation of 20kbps x 100.
13:13.55blondiekriel: put red in your bash prompt or something
13:14.02Gnealss: because if it was a simple question, then you'd know the answer already.
13:14.07blondielss: can you really not multiply by 100?
13:14.08timgoh0lss: You've got one of those fancy calculator things, right?
13:14.16Phatedtimgoh0: ~2.5 times, according to most.
13:14.18stewlee: 20 * 100 = 2000
13:14.23Andonlss, 2000kbps
13:14.26stewlerr lss
13:14.28krielblondie: ... dyou know where the file is to make that a permanent change...? xx;
13:14.30Coweaterand quit switching units b and B are two different things
13:14.33blondiekriel: .bashrc
13:14.36timgoh0Phated: 2.5?
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13:14.41lssblondie,  timgoh0  It's easy to calculate ( in my brain it would be 2mbps) but i know that there's like 1024 kb in 1 megabyte
13:14.43Phatedtimgoh0: re: in  vs cm.
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13:14.46doojinI succeeded in booting with a memory stick
13:14.49GneaCoweater: he's probably just a script kiddie
13:14.50blondielss: no there aren't
13:14.53lssso, it gets confusing
13:15.10lssso, 20kb's x 100 is 2mb?
13:15.12dlissh-agent hangs gnome session at login
13:15.21AndonUh, no.
13:15.24Andon1024
13:15.24stewlss: kbps and mbps are ambiguous units.  kb can be either 10^3 or 2^10. mbps can be either 10^6 or 2^20
13:15.27Andon/ 1024
13:15.44lssAndon,  see, thats what i just said and they said no
13:15.58jlaw1024 would be kibi/mibi
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13:16.05jlaw1000 is kilo/mega
13:16.06stewlss: so if you are using the base 10 definitions the answer is 2mb/s, if you are using the base 2 definitions it's less than 2mb/s
13:16.29timgoh0jlaw: Unfortunately, half the world doesn't use the -bi suffix. :)
13:16.47timgoh0It would be nice though.
13:16.50jlawtimgoh: nor me, but it's funny shit to know !-)
13:16.53liableah, but that implies, half does.. :P
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13:16.56blondielss: 1 megabyte = exactly 1000 kilobytes
13:16.56blondie1 mebibyte = 1024 kebibytes
13:16.56doojinBut the installation didn't proceed since mounting a harddisk
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13:16.57blondiesorry, kebibytes
13:16.57blondieerm
13:16.57doojinI waited for 11 minutes, but the mounting didn't proceed
13:16.57blondiekIbibytes
13:16.57doojinkilobyte
13:16.57zagzighttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(data)
13:16.57blondiedoojin: denied
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13:17.00doojinWhy the process doesn't proceed?
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13:17.00lssyou see, im working out a rendering soltuion with bittorrent
13:17.01phyrsterabrotman: can't visit that link even with tor
13:17.01phyrsterabrotman: can you explain it a little?
13:17.04Coweaterlss: it isn't confusing, you either reference it as bits or bytes, the only confusion comes when converting between the two
13:17.05lssif you was curious, anyone
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13:17.42blondielss: the BIG question is --- what does this have to do with debian?
13:17.49zu22lss: read this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bits_per_second
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13:17.58paulswmblondie: first time in a while I've been here on a Sunday, now I remember why :)
13:17.59lssbasbryan,  i was basing it on my standard upload.. which is 256kBits, which gives me 30kbps upload, but i put it down to 20kbps otherwise donwload speed is effected
13:18.21blondielss: NO
13:18.22apokryphosis there a way to generate a -devel .deb with checkinstall?
13:18.28zu22paulswm: morning :)
13:18.36blondielss: "kbps" = kiloBITS per second, not kilobytes
13:18.37paulswmzu22: Hey, zu22 :)
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13:18.56lssblondie,  when you're dealing with service providers measures, thats how you show it
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13:19.20blondielss: sorry, but kbps = kilobits/second, always and without exception.
13:19.29blondieyour upload speed is 256kbps
13:19.48lssblondie,  when a service provider issues you with a upload speed cap, they refer to them as "kBits"
13:20.04blondielss: yes
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13:20.15lssblondie,  thanks for finally realizing
13:20.16timgoh0lss: You're getting ~20kbps due to the random overheads, and potential switching delays. Why are we discussing this HERE anyway?
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13:20.25zagziglss: if you can't find out about this on your own (say via some quick googling) you're in way over your head
13:20.25blondielss: excuse me? you're the one that's wrong dear
13:20.29paulswmlss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobit_per_second
13:20.33lsstimgoh0,  thought you guys would know
13:20.39timgoh0lss: See the channel name?
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13:20.49lssblondie,  dear?.. what grounds do you have to say that
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13:20.57blondielss: I'm patronising you.
13:20.58lsstimgoh0,  was only meant to be a simple question
13:21.01zu22paulswm: i already referred him to that unsuccessfully
13:21.07paulswmzu22: :(
13:21.11lssblondie,  nice try, but you're on the internet, nerdy.
13:21.13blondielss: 256kbps = 256 kilobits/second
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13:21.19jlaw!spam
13:21.19dpkgmethinks spam is a preferred environment.  SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week)
13:21.31paulswmzu22: Then ignore it, it's not here to learn but just to troll
13:21.44blondielss: now run along
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13:21.54bootedcat<bootedcat> how can i convert a color temperature of 9300K to RGB values (in 0-100 scale)
13:21.54bootedcat<bootedcat> my LCD does not directly provide a 9300K option; rather, it allows me to set RGB values each in the range of 0-100
13:21.55bootedcat<bootedcat> i've found an online calculator [ http://www.brucelindbloom.com/index.html?ColorCalculator.html ], but it outputs RGB values not scaled in 0-100
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13:22.17blondiejeez!
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13:22.20jlaw!tell bootedcat flooding
13:22.29someone___test
13:22.33lssblondie,  but once you get 256kbits offered by your service provider, they never inactual fact give you that speed, it's always so much less, otherwise we would all have atleast 200kilobytes upload stream, infact we mostly all have 30kilobytes a second upload stream
13:22.34blondieday-of-stupid-irrelevent-maths-questions
13:22.36asgsomeone___: no, you're not online
13:22.47blondielss: no
13:22.55Coweaterbootedcat: just use whatever looks good, the numbers don't mean anything useful
13:22.59lssblondie,  conversation over.
13:23.03blondielss: please learn the difference between bits and bytes
13:23.05zagziglss: kbits are not kbytes
13:23.14Andonlss, 256kbits is 32 kbytes
13:23.15lsszagzig,  i god damn know that
13:23.20blondielss: no you don't
13:23.24bootedcati trust authorities more than my eyes
13:23.40jlawtimgoh0: which one?
13:23.51timgoh0jlaw: Hard to tell. Take your pick. :)
13:24.16zagziglss: you don't seem to have a good bearing on your knowledge
13:24.20paulswmMy gues is that it is just trolling, no one is really that stupid
13:24.22zu22lss: you are not God! lol
13:24.44lsszu22,  I make the rules around here
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13:25.05blondietime for someone to say goodbye
13:25.11paulswmIndeed
13:25.11someone___debian
13:25.13stewgoodbye
13:25.18zu22timdog0: just bring the gargon on here :)
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13:25.55timgoh0zu22: You... you... mutilated my last name! :)
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13:26.12zu22s/timdog0/timgoh0 sorry been up all night
13:26.23paulswmyes, timdog0 sounds faintly sisturbing
13:26.27paulswmdist*
13:26.30zu22ehh
13:26.30timgoh0zu22: No problem, just fooling around.
13:26.32zu22heh
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13:26.43kriel... <noob> where are you supposed to install programs to...? </noob>
13:27.05timgoh0kriel: C:\Program Files\
13:27.07liablec:\Program Files?
13:27.17jlawlol
13:27.18Pietyour memory
13:27.28kriel... in linux. ><; i read somewhere that most programs go to... ... uh... /usr i think, but I'm not sure. Xx;
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13:27.46liableomg, i cant believe someone else is as silly as me..
13:27.48PenguinL0v3rabrotman, hello
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13:27.51jlawkriel: often /usr/local/blub
13:27.52zagzigmkdir /C:/Program\ Files
13:27.55zagzigthen put them in there
13:28.07basbryanam i really using a computer?  or is this a telepathic brain fart?
13:28.12asgkriel: man 7 hier ; /msg dpkg lsb
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13:28.48stewhuh?  why was there just a DSA on kernel-source 2.4.16?
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13:29.21Pietprobably because it's subject to a vulnerability
13:29.27liablethere was one yesterday too for another obscure version.
13:29.44paulswmkriel: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
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13:29.58stewliable: 2.4.16 was the one from yesterday
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13:30.13paulswmkriel: Or, rather, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
13:31.04liablestew: ok, then theres another one for today :P
13:31.44stewoh hmm
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13:32.20krielpaulswm: thankies. ^^
13:32.20jlaw!lunch
13:32.21dpkgThat sounds like a good idea, jlaw, could you get me a pie while you're out?
13:32.45kriel... >>; ... -slowly edges away from dpkg-
13:32.46paulswmkriel: yw - go to the /usr section, and read about /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin
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13:33.15paulswmkriel: Also /opt - it is normal to install out-of-distro packages there also
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13:34.02hejuxhi
13:34.13asgpaulswm: /opt is generally used for 3rd party commercial software, /usr/local for out-of-distro
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13:34.34hejuxhi
13:34.44liable!greet hejux
13:34.45dpkgGr33tz, hejux
13:34.48paulswmasg: yes, you put it better than me
13:35.01asgpaulswm: of course, the administrator is welcome to do whatever they wish :)
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13:35.16hejuxliable, what ?
13:35.17someone___i'm a linux user
13:35.28paulswmasg: And that is a scary thought :)
13:35.37asgpaulswm: indeed it is
13:35.41hejuxi can't stand it anymore  !
13:35.48zagzighejux: ...
13:35.49timgoh0hejux: Sit then.
13:35.53someone___test
13:35.53liablehejux: it was just a reply to let you know that, yes, we can see you and know you are here..
13:36.05hejuxgoogle is killed again here
13:36.13tetheadmorning, got a (potentially) easy question
13:36.20paulswmo.O
13:36.21asg!tell someone___ about ask
13:36.38hejuxi can't open google.com and gmail.com  but i can visit google.cn ,
13:36.52tetheadmy host has 5 IPs for us, only 1 is currently routed to my box.  how do i add the other IPs with 'route'?
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13:37.04tetheadthey all need to point to the same location, so nothing fancy
13:37.07clarsI just #apt-get install ntpdate, but how do I make the ntpdate get time frome the ntp servere on every reboot ?
13:37.25timgoh0tethead: Add additional routes. `route add`
13:37.33tetheadyeah, but add -net, add -host?
13:37.36hejuxand more , i cant search some words through google.cn ,such as "blank off"
13:37.37liablehejux: are you serious?
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13:37.57timgoh0tethead: -host, unless all 5 can be summarized by a mask.
13:38.00blondiewhat does "blank off" mean?
13:38.02hejux<liable> i need to see gmail
13:38.13tetheadi try that and it says invalid argument
13:38.18tetheadi need them all added to eth0
13:38.25blondieinappropriate use of <>s!
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13:38.51timgoh0tethead: route add -host a.b.c.d gw e.f.g.h
13:38.55timgoh0tethead: Ah, no you don't.
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13:39.14timgoh0tethead: You need to tell the router device on that segment to route traffic here.
13:39.16tetheadwhat is the "gw .e.f.g.h" part of that
13:39.21liablehejux: search google for 'china google' (if you are allowed)
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13:39.35timgoh0tethead: Your host doesn't route traffic, your gateway, or routers on the segment do.
13:39.36tetheadthe a.b.c.d i assume is the IP i want to identify
13:39.45timgoh0tethead: You DO NOT add routes to your host.
13:39.51zagziggw x.x.x.x is the gateway
13:39.54tetheadah
13:40.00tetheadso would that be 127.0.0.1?
13:40.07someone___anybody here?
13:40.08blondielol
13:40.17blondiesomeone___: no, not even the people that are talking
13:40.19timgoh0tethead: No. You have no incoming traffic for that interface to route.
13:40.21someone___anybody online?
13:40.26blondiesomeone___: shush
13:40.33tetheadok, i'm confused... lol
13:40.34timgoh0tethead: Can you be more descriptive as to your network setup?
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13:40.45tetheadi have a hosting provider, they host a dedicated server
13:40.48hejuxi think there is a program which prevent me to visit google.com , but i dont know whats the name  ...
13:40.53tetheadi have full root access on a Debian 3.1 system
13:41.02stewsomeone___: do you have a debian related question to ask? if so, please ask it, otherwise please move on
13:41.06tetheadthey have reserved 5 IPs for me
13:41.11tetheadthey only set one up on the box
13:41.15tetheadthe rest are up to me to configure
13:41.26timgoh0tethead: You need to bind the other ips to the interface.
13:41.35tetheadok
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13:41.48tetheadso am i barking up the wrong tree with 'route' then?
13:41.52timgoh0ifconfig eth0:1 ip netmask
13:41.56timgoh0tethead: Yes.
13:41.59tetheadi figured it was in iptables
13:42.07tetheadah
13:42.14hejuxliable, can you open this search result page ?  http://www.google.com/search?hl=zh-CN&q=%E5%B0%81%E9%94%81&lr=
13:42.14timgoh0tethead: You do an ifconfig eth0:n <ip> <netmask>
13:42.15paulswmclars: I use the chrony package myself, but it sounds like you need to install the ntp package
13:42.27timgoh0tethead: Where n is a number.
13:42.35tetheadok, i already have 1 setup for eth0, so i assume that the current one is 1
13:42.47liablehejux: yes
13:42.54timgoh0tethead: No, the main one is eth0. The aliased ones are named eth0:1 eth0:2 and so on.
13:43.00liablebut its all funny boxes.. :P
13:43.00tetheadah
13:43.01hejuxliable, whats the result  ?
13:43.05tetheadtyvm
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13:43.29liablehejux: i dont have chines locale, or whatever is need to view that page
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13:43.38dvs!sing sunday
13:43.39dpkgEveryday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...
13:43.43tetheadSIOCSIFADDR: Invalid argument
13:43.46tetheadhmm
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13:44.02doojinhi
13:44.11doojinI got the message
13:44.12hejuxliable, thanks !!!
13:44.14timgoh0tethead: Err, sorry. ifconfig eth0:1 <ip> netmask <netmask>
13:44.19hejuxkao!
13:44.31doojinliable : I got stuck at searching for an iso image
13:44.33vt_deadheadtrying to compile xboard by hand, when i run ./configure, i get an "checking for X... no" error msg ... i have libx11-dev and x-dev install ... any ideas?
13:44.36tetheadk
13:44.43asgliable: then change it
13:44.50tetheadw00t!
13:44.52tetheadthanks
13:45.06liableasg: yeah right.
13:45.07doojinliable : searching drives for an installer iso image
13:45.14tetheadnow, the $1 million question, how to do i setup init.d so i don't have to do this on every restart?
13:45.15stewvt_deadhead: apt-get build-dep xboard
13:45.16doojinliable : mounting /dev/discs/disc0/disc.....
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13:45.30stew!wayc vt_deadhead
13:45.30dpkgvt_deadhead: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?
13:45.31doojinliable : I see those sentences and I see no proceed.
13:45.36kriel... okay... i unzipped firefox... can't get 'install' to work... do i just move the files to /usr/local/share?
13:45.58timgoh0tethead: Do it in /etc/network/interfaces
13:45.59doojinliable : what's the problem?
13:45.59asg!no, sunday is <reply>liable is tired of the tard analogies.
13:46.16dvs!sing sunday
13:46.16dpkgEveryday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...
13:46.17liabledoojin: dunno
13:46.20dvsdoh!
13:46.31tetheadwell i got them all added
13:46.40liabledoojin: looks good if its loading the kernel..
13:46.41tetheadvery cool, lemme work on /etc/network/interfaces now
13:46.41vt_deadheaddpkg: cause xboard is the bane of my system ... the current unstable package has resumed dying w/ X_FontOpen errors ... trying something new
13:46.42dpkgokay, vt_deadhead
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13:46.57timgoh0vt_deadhead: dpkg is a bot.
13:46.58doojinMounting /dev/discs/disc0/disc.... takes forever to even succeed
13:47.02stewdpkg: forget cause xboard
13:47.02dpkgstew: i forgot cause xboard
13:47.03liable!forget cause xboard
13:47.09liable!lose me
13:47.09vt_deadheadhaha ... sorry :)
13:47.09dpkgliable: You Lose.
13:47.17doojinliable : forever
13:47.21stewkriel: why aren't you just using debian packages instead of running firefox from /usr/local?
13:47.29liabledoojin: huh?
13:47.35doojinliable : Mounting /dev/discs/disc0/disc.... takes forever to even succeed
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13:47.55stewvt_deadhead: you are running xorg7?  did you check http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 ?
13:48.16stewvt_deadhead: the x font paths moved from 6.9 to 7
13:48.26krielstew: cause apt-get didn't recognize firefox
13:48.48liableasg: it isnt the bot command that needs to change :P
13:48.49stewkriel: mozilla-firefox is the name of the package in stable
13:48.50doojinI don't know why it stops
13:48.52vt_deadheadi haven't checked that link yet, but i did update my fontpaths to point to /usr/share/whatever ... reading it now
13:48.59doojinsomebody help me
13:49.10asgliable: ;)
13:49.11krielstew: ... -sigh- ... Thanks. -small nod- that'd be why i coldn't find it...
13:49.12tetheadtimgoh0: ok, i'm looking at /etc/network/interfaces and i see the primary network interfaces, do i create new entries for every one?
13:49.24stewkriel: /msg dpkg search
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13:49.25tetheador just add 4 additional "address" lines
13:49.35timgoh0tethead: You create new entries for each.
13:49.36stewkriel: "apt-cache search firefox" should have found it for you
13:50.01tetheadso instead of it starting "auto eth0" it would be "auto eth0:1"?
13:50.06timgoh0tethead: Yep.
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13:50.11tetheadrockin
13:50.16doojinWhy the usb memory stick installer stops when it shows "mounting /dev/discs/disc0/disc..."?
13:50.17stewnot really instead of but in addition to
13:50.20tethead<<< not bad for a mactard :P
13:50.25krielstew: there's what i was looking for. ><;; I was trying to look for an apt-get search... Xx;
13:50.46liabledoojin: do you have no other way to install debian but a usb key?
13:51.46doojinliable : I have floppy disks
13:52.08doojinüß
13:52.11liabledoojin: is there a reason you want to do it with a usb stick?
13:52.43krielseeya later... gonna go do strange things like eating breakfast...
13:52.59liablemmm, bacon
13:53.23zagzigok now that things have quieted down
13:53.32zagzigi'm having a prob installing libc6-dev
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13:53.46doojinliable : Does the debian installer recognize NTFS file system?
13:53.50zagziggetting the error "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-7) but 2.3.6-9 is to be installed"
13:53.55doojinliable : my harddisk is ntfs
13:54.07liabledoojin: it will recognise a windows install, yes
13:54.09zagzigeven though both versions of libc6 mentioned seem to be installed
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13:54.15doojinliable : no
13:54.21doojinliable : does it recognize ntfs?
13:54.35jlawdoojin: you need to build the kernel on your own to use ntfs
13:54.35tetheadtimgoh0: one last question, the line that says "iface eth0 inet static" should be "iface eth0:n inet static" for each respective entry, right?
13:54.45doojinjlaw : thanks
13:54.45timgoh0tethead: Yep. That's correct.
13:54.47liabledoojin: no? wtf are you talking about?
13:54.51zagzigi'm not gonna get any help with this, am i? :/
13:54.59tetheadexcellent.  do i need to reload anything for this to take effect?
13:55.03doojinliable : Does the hd-media installer find an iso where?
13:55.04jlawdoojin: reading works fine, but writing comes up with some risks and problems
13:55.07stewzagzig: you are on unstable?
13:55.11tetheadbecause already i can ping, having done the ifconfig
13:55.12doojinin the memory stick?
13:55.12zagzigtesting
13:55.33zagzigmostly
13:55.33liabledoojin: your memory stick isnt ntfs
13:55.50doojinliable : I put debian-something-netinst.iso into my memory stick
13:56.00doojinbut why didn't the hd-media installer recognize it?
13:56.03zagzigdid a sarge netinstall and decided to switch to testing
13:56.28liabledoojin: wait, you are mixing two different parts of that howto together.
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13:57.03doojinliable : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
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13:58.07liabledoojin: why are you showing me that? it doesnt have anything to do with the installer not booting.
13:58.48liabledoojin: do you have free space on your disk?
13:59.04doojinliable : sure
13:59.09doojinliable : very much
13:59.23liabledoojin: ok, why dont you just get the floppies?
13:59.24stewzagzig: your problem is that you are trying to install the unstable version of libc6 with the testing version of libc6-dev, you need to stick with either testing or unstable
13:59.38jlawdoojin: free space in a partition or free unpartitioned?
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13:59.52doojinI have two partitions
13:59.55doojinthey are all ntfs
14:00.06doojinhmm I had windowsxp.iso on the root
14:00.07liablejlaw: good point :)
14:00.11doojinI just moved it now
14:00.17jlawdoojin: but have you free unpartitioned space on your disk?
14:00.33doojinjlaw : unpartitioned?
14:00.38liableohnos, its monday
14:00.43doojinwhat do you mean?
14:00.44jlaw-.-
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14:00.55doojinI partitioned my harddisk
14:01.01jlawdoojin: ntfs for linux is a nogo
14:01.06frawdhello! question: I want to make a debian server for the only purpose of logging all network traffic in a daily log file. Would it be better using snort in packet log mode or just plain tcpdump? What about rotating logs with logrotate, any risks that I end up with a "truncated" pcap file or something? Anyone has a good way of doing this?
14:01.18liabledoojin: you need free space thats not partitioned, or a partition you can delete
14:01.39zagzigstew: how would i revert back to testing for libc6?
14:01.46asgfrawd: how much traffic do you expect to be loggin?
14:01.49asg*logging?
14:01.50jlawdoojin: fat32 would be an option, but you should use a native partition system
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14:01.57doojinliable : what's a not partitioned, free space?
14:02.09jlawdoojin: journeling system 3 or reiserfs
14:02.11zagzigi can't remove the unstable version without getting a "potentially harmful" warning
14:02.17frawdasg, it's a symetric 2Mbps WAN line
14:02.21stewzagzig: put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" into a pastebin
14:02.36liabledoojin: remove a partition, and that becomes free space.. or shrink one, and you get free space..
14:02.46doojinliable : why do I need it?
14:02.55timgoh0*snicker*
14:02.58asgfrawd: oh, then either should be fine. You might look at snort's unified binary logging mode and use barnyard to offline that to another data store for post-processing.
14:03.14jlawdoojin: what system are you currently running, and which do you want to run?
14:03.21doojinok
14:03.31liabledoojin: you cant install linux on ntfs, you need free space to make linux file systems
14:03.32zagzigstew: sorry but how would i go about using a paste bin?
14:03.34doojinI currently have grub, gentoo, windows xp on my harddisk
14:03.43asgzagzig: /msg dpkg paster
14:03.55liablesweet, delete gentoo!
14:04.08doojinI was tired of gentoo and try to remove it
14:04.16doojinbut I better replace it with debian
14:04.19liabledoojin: you have gentoo, but you dont understand what i am talking about?
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14:04.34Angels2liable: hehe
14:04.39doojinliable : I can install debian without gentoo removed.
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14:04.47frawdasg, i also tried tcpdump or argus, but it erases the old log file when it restarts instead of concat it, and logrotate sometimes truncate last packets of the log
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14:04.58timgoh0doojin: No you can't, unless you have somewhere to install TO.
14:05.18zagzighttp://channels.debian.net/paste/2590
14:05.34doojintimgoh0 : I could reinstall gentoo on the same partition.
14:05.44asgfrawd: you might also consult #snort and the snort mailing lists to see what their suggestion might be
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14:05.46doojinwithout formatting and removing a parition
14:05.52jlawdoojin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_(computing)
14:05.52frawdasg, i just want some "daemon" type logger or script that could do uninterrupted logging, and in case of a reboot or something just restart well
14:06.03timgoh0Hmm, is it just me, or does installing two distros over each other sound sucidal?
14:06.08meffhow would i forward any error messages of 'ls' out to null? i've tried 2>/dev/null but i still see the error
14:06.21liabledoojin: erm, no, you cant re-install gentoo without wiping that partition.
14:06.27frawdasg, thanks! where do i find the snort channel?
14:06.32asgfrawd: /j #snort
14:06.57dunohuei have an executable file which is 755 in mode but when i try to execute in non-root, i have 'command not found' error. where is the problem?
14:06.59frawdasg, yes, nevermind :) thanks
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14:07.24asgdunohue: where is it located? how are you trying to run in?
14:07.52liabledunohue: ./foo  from the parent dir?
14:07.54dunohueasg: it is in /sbin. i try to run it fr konsole.
14:08.02doojinliable : the installer just formatted my partition.
14:08.08asgdunohue: does it work if you type '/sbin/foo'
14:08.18asgdunohue: non-root users don't have /sbin in their $PATH
14:08.35doojinjesus
14:08.40dunohueasg: that should explains it.
14:08.41doojinI fucked up my university homework.
14:08.43asg!seen jesus
14:08.43dpkgjesus <n=jesus@83.73.213.40.ip.tele2adsl.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 142d 16h 8m 5s ago, saying: 'blondie, du you have a problom with my name is jesus?'.
14:08.52timgoh0Heh.
14:09.00doojinI fucked it up for my laziness
14:09.03liablehaha
14:10.05doojinliable : I have worried about complying to my impulse for years
14:10.06liabledoojin: that haha wasnt directed at you btw..
14:10.15dunohueasf: i want to put those commands into a script and run it on start-up. how do i do it?
14:10.18liablewhat?
14:10.18metelliusi am having a real hard time downgrading xbase-clients and x11-common. I currently have 7.0 installed, but I want 6.9. it complaints about "trying to overwrite /usr/lib/X11, which is also in package xbase-clients. any ideas would be greatly appreciated
14:10.41asgdunohue: just write the full path to each binary '/sbin/foo, /usr/sbin/foo', etc.
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14:10.56doojinliable : I have complied to my impulse too easily for my lifetime.
14:10.59asgdunohue: or put PATH=/sbin;/bin ... in the script
14:11.19doojinliable : and it becomes dangerous
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14:11.33liabledoojin: ok.. you have lost me now
14:11.33doojinAs a result, I feel so empty
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14:11.38dunohueasg: thks.
14:11.39hejuxliable, is tor effective ?
14:11.41asgdunohue: you're welcome
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14:12.11doojinWhile I was talking about installation, I just remembered my homework.
14:12.23doojinIt is too late
14:12.35hejuxit is getting more and more unbelievable !!!!
14:12.36liablehejux: i dont know. theres supposedly ways to get around it. check /. :)
14:12.41doojinsee you later
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14:13.03hejuxcheck what ?
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14:13.11liableslashdot
14:13.18zagzighejux: slashdot.org
14:13.31HolyGoatHm. I'm having a very hard time making my soundcard work. How can I check if the snd-ice1712 kernel module is available for loading?
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14:14.34zagzigstew: you get the url ok?
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14:14.50Piethejux: timing attacks work rater well. but the right place to discuss this is probably rather #tor here or on oftc
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14:16.30flapanehi
14:16.37flapanei have problems while reinstalling grub
14:16.44flapaneusing Damn Small Linux
14:16.55flapaneif i try to mount my root partition
14:16.59EdLinflapane: ask in their channel
14:17.03flapaneit says /dev/sda6 is not a valid block device
14:17.07HolyGoatWould there be any way to automagically install a soundcard, without having to recompile the kernel? Any tools that automate it?
14:17.08flapaneah do they have_
14:17.19flapanebut i am using a debian wiki
14:17.19jlaw!tell flapana -about enter
14:17.24flapaneso i thought to ask here
14:17.25jlaw!tell flapane -about enter
14:17.28POVaddctflapane: maybe no suitable sata-support in dsl-kernel
14:17.38liableflapane: try #damnsmalllinux
14:17.52flapanePOVaddct it could be possible...
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14:17.59flapaneliable thanks
14:18.10POVaddctflapane: dsl has 2.4 kernel, so no (or very limited) sata support
14:18.15liablenp
14:18.35flapaneaaah damn...
14:18.40flapaneso i have to download knoppix..
14:18.52POVaddctflapane: thats the "damn" in dsl :)
14:18.53liableflapane: why not try debian?
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14:19.01EdLinflapane: either way, knoppix or dsl, it isn't supported here
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14:19.21flapaneliable i use debian on my sda6 partition
14:19.24RobHis the "etch" release fairly stable?
14:19.26flapanebut now i don-t have any debian cd
14:19.39flapaneso some ppl suggest me to use a small live like dsl
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14:20.09POVaddctflapane: i have a remastered dsl with kernel 2.6.12.5 (34mb iso size)
14:20.30basbryandebian != ubuntu               wtf?!?
14:20.31flapaneah a 2.6 kernel... could be a right one for sata
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14:20.45EdLin!tell basbryan about ubuntu
14:20.49POVaddctflapane: i compiled the sata drivers as modules
14:21.08flapaneif you can i would like to take it
14:21.24asgbasbryan: ubuntu is Debian's unstable version frozen at some time in the past with a bunch of patches. We don't support it since unstable has long since moved on.
14:21.32basbryani can't come here to complain about people that aren't debian devs?
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14:21.37basbryanwhat's next?
14:21.45POVaddctflapane: i only have 128kbps upload but i can set up a small web server if you like
14:21.46basbryani have to be on topic?
14:21.54basbryan</sarcasm>
14:21.54tetheadanyone know about amavisd-new?
14:22.00liable!lart basbryan
14:22.02liable:P
14:22.04flapaneoh pov i would really like if it is not a problem for you man
14:22.04tetheadi can't get the old config file to be recognized
14:22.18POVaddctflapane: join #povhelps
14:22.19basbryan!lart basbryan
14:22.23flapaneok
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14:22.51wedgeasg: ubuntu's installer is seriously bugged. :) It is adheres stricyly to the debian installer, but if something goes wrong during install. Like lack of connectivity to some server and it jumps out to the aptitudemenu you'll be screwed installing ubuntu :P
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14:23.18wedgeunless of course the system is installed to a point where you can simply apt-get the rest of the packages or continue aptitude with minor stuff like setting timezones and stuff.
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14:23.49stewwedge: please keep it on topic
14:24.06EdLin!sing sunday
14:24.07dpkgEveryday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...
14:24.21dvsha!
14:24.32dvswhere's liable?
14:24.39liablenot funny
14:24.42liable:P
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14:25.30liableits monday here anyway
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14:25.38dvsAus?
14:25.50liableyes
14:25.55flapanewow
14:25.55blondieEWRONGTIME
14:26.10blondiedamn I'm bored :(
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14:27.08Funkmasterhi guys, quick question, want to share internet on my internal network, which is on eth1 10.0.0.X my internet comes in at eth0 from my adsl modem eth0 has 192.168.1.10, i want to use the simplest way to do it, but can'tr figure it out, any help please?
14:27.08asgblondie: you could always /j #trivia
14:27.08mynullvoidguys my cups-pdf produce empty pdf file - any idea?
14:27.08thingfishme too, and the day has barely begun here.
14:27.34liableis that full of, .. fun stuff?
14:28.10asgFunkmaster: /msg dpkg ipmasq
14:28.28asg!send the beer truck to thingfish's house
14:28.28liablehrm, 8 nicks.
14:28.45thingfishasg: yay!
14:29.21thingfishthat's what I should do, get a job at a brewery.
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14:30.06mynullvoid!dpkg cups-pdf
14:30.27mynullvoidasg how to ask dpkg? can I just msg the bot?
14:30.27Peizhaoneed help on apache2 server, only port 80 is not accessiable from outside
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14:30.34thingfishyes, mynullvoid
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14:30.44mynullvoidPeizhao: check your firewall rul
14:30.46mynullvoidPeizhao: check your firewall rule
14:30.48liableheh, #trivia is cool :)
14:30.49dvsthingfish: Say hi to Laverne and Shirley for me
14:30.51mynullvoidbrb
14:30.58PeizhaoI don't have any firewall rule yet
14:30.58thingfishhehe dvs
14:31.07asgor Bob and Doug
14:31.15Peizhaonew installed debian without setting any rules
14:31.32Peizhaoalso port 8080, 443 is working fine
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14:31.38asgPeizhao: /msg dpkg open ports (is apache2 even listening on port 80)
14:31.42gan|y|medhallo
14:31.47Peizhaothey both point to same directory
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14:32.41gan|y|medwhen i copy files to it in linux, the file system becomes unusable in windows. it works the reverse. copied files in linux can be still read in linux though. any ideas?
14:33.04dvsgan|y|med: NTFS?
14:33.04asggan|y|med: is it an ntfs filesystem?
14:33.16gan|y|medno, udf. tried 1.5 and 2.0
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14:33.23Peizhaomy server is behide a netgear router, but I configured everything, and as i said, port 8080, 443 is working only 80 is not working
14:33.36gan|y|medhaven't tried fat32 so far, but don't wanna use it anyway
14:33.51dunohueis it possible to run those wlan commands as non-user? i am encountering "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied" error in dhclient command.
14:34.05dunohuei mean as non-root.
14:34.33asgdunohue: you can use sudo to give a non-root user the ability to run a restricted set of commands
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14:35.05dunohueasg: i know that but sudo would require login and i want to avoid it.
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14:35.08ruipiHi, some programs similars to bordland turbo C on unix?
14:35.23basbryanruipi: gcc?
14:35.35dvsbasbryan: I think ruipi wants a GUI
14:35.38ruipiwell, with a GUI with ncurses or similar
14:35.40Peizhaoanyone can help me with port 80 on my server is not accessiable from outside
14:35.48ruipigui, but using with shell not X
14:36.08asgdunohue: you can configure sudo to run with a 'NOPASSWD' option.
14:36.23asgPeizhao: make sure port 80 is port-forwarded from the router to the machine running apache
14:36.24prhanyone know how to do "firefox -remote 'OpenURL(...)'" without it opening a new tab? (new bahviour since erm... I dont know when)
14:36.30dunohueasg: not even once?
14:36.45gan|y|medany ideas why my linux system seems to destroy the udf file format for my windows...?
14:36.53Peizhaoyes, I did, port 8080 and 443 is working as the same way I configured it
14:37.05asgdunohue: not even once. You can configure sudo not to display the warning that new sudo users get also.
14:37.29dunohueasg: which is the sudo config file?
14:37.30asgPeizhao: did you verify that port 80 is really open on your Debian machine?
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14:37.41asgdunohue: just run visudo (after reading the sudoers manpage)
14:38.01PeizhaoI can open the page from my another desktop
14:38.12Peizhaobut just can't open it from outside my LAN
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14:38.24asgPeizhao: then there is a problem with your router. It is also possible that your ISP is blocking inbound port 80.
14:38.55clarshow do I configere  chrony, so that it will work
14:39.10ClarkYcan anyone help me with a problem im having getting md0 to automoune please?
14:39.20asgclars: /usr/share/doc/chrony/README* (check for post-install instructions/configuration)
14:39.27mynullvoidwhere was I ;)
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14:39.40Peizhaoany chance to resolve this problem?
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14:40.05asgPeizhao: try rebooting your netgear. Verify with your ISP that they allow inbound port 80 connections.
14:40.12mynullvoidPeizhao: can you telnet to port 80?
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14:40.47asgmynullvoid: 10:38 < Peizhao> I can open the page from my another desktop
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14:41.04mynullvoidok
14:41.06gan|y|meddoes nobody use udf on win and linux?
14:41.13liablePeizhao: first check your isp's policy. i just scanned you and got no open ports, so if your isp doesnt block, check your router
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14:41.36mynullvoidPeizhao: what you mean another can open and other can't?
14:42.03asgmynullvoid: he can't get to it from outside of his LAN. /lastlog Peizhao
14:42.09thingfishI thought udf was limited to CD-type media.
14:42.09Peizhaowithin my LAN I can open the page, with outside doesn't
14:42.30mynullvoidpeizhao: nmap your server
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14:42.51mynullvoidPeizhao: nmap <serverIP>
14:42.53asgmynullvoid: and what good is that going to do?
14:43.07basbryanPeizhao: open your router/gateway?
14:43.11Peizhaook trying
14:43.15mynullvoidasg: you will know if the service is running and the port is open or filtered
14:43.22asgmynullvoid: we already know that
14:43.30mynullvoidasg: from outside?
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14:43.35asgmynullvoid: yes
14:43.42mynullvoidhow?
14:43.52asgmynullvoid: liable nmapped him
14:43.59mynullvoidoic
14:44.14mynullvoidhmmm
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14:44.38Peizhaobtw, anyway to test it myself even i am inside my LAN
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14:44.49mynullvoidPeizhao: what's your server dns or IP
14:44.49[Thom]Good morning.
14:45.09PeizhaoI have dynamic IP
14:45.11mynullvoidmorning [Thom]
14:45.20mynullvoiddyndns?
14:45.29Peizhaoyes
14:46.09mynullvoidso what is't
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14:46.39[Thom]How can I tell what packages (specifically what version of those packages) are installed on my debian box? I'm trying to install bugzilla and the installation instructions are telling me it needs the latest version of MySql.
14:46.43[Thom]I'm on Sarge btw.
14:46.46liablePeizhao: you can test your hostaname. oing it and see if it resolves ok.
14:46.49blondiewhat package has "torify" in it?
14:46.56liableping
14:47.07mynullvoidliable: what's his ns or ip
14:47.20liablemynullvoid: /lastlog
14:47.36Peizhaodo you mean ping my internet IP?
14:47.47blondieinternet internet protocol
14:47.49mynullvoid[Thom]: dpkg -l | grep <packagename> | more
14:47.54liablePeizhao: no, your dyndns name
14:48.01Peizhaook
14:48.07[Thom]mynullvoid: Thanks.
14:48.23liablePeizhao: not that it will help for your port 80 problem..
14:48.27Peizhaoit work
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14:49.04Peizhaoit work
14:49.16Peizhaoreplying 64 bytes from mars (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=31 ttl=64 time=0.068 ms
14:49.29ClarkYdoes anyone know how i can get /dev/md0 to appear at bootup, im having to run mdadm -As /dev/md0 everytime i reboot to mount it
14:49.31liableum, no
14:49.49mynullvoidliable: lastlog seems doesn't have that info
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14:50.05liablemynullvoid: when he joined.
14:50.11liablemynullvoid: or /whois
14:50.18Peizhaosorry, I ping from my server
14:50.25mynullvoidPeizhao: again! what is your server dns or IP
14:50.33Peizhaodoesn't work, when I tried to ping from another machine
14:50.56Peizhao220.239.81.6
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14:52.33PeizhaoI can't ping to my ip, since I block ping in my router
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14:52.45liablePeizhao: doh.. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/514999.html
14:52.58asgliable: isp blocking inbound 80?
14:53.06liableyep
14:53.10liablebastards
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14:53.32asgliable: but they allow 443 and 8080
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14:53.59liableasg: still bastards :)
14:54.03gan|y|medciao
14:54.09asgliable: indeed
14:54.53Peizhaogod!!! that means no way to run webserver at port 80?
14:55.01asgPeizhao: that's what it means
14:55.07liablePeizhao: unfortunately, no
14:55.09Le_Vertdo you know if there's some debian templates for init script somewhere ?
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14:55.18asgLe_Vert: /etc/init.d/skeleton
14:55.28Le_Vertthx
14:55.37Peizhaook thanks everyone for helping
14:55.40liablePeizhao: there are many that allow it though, i suggest you change isp
14:56.08asgPeizhao: check if your Dynamic DNS provide has a port 80 -> 8080 redirector.
14:56.14PeizhaoI signed the contract for 2 years
14:56.14tarzeau!popcon
14:56.14dpkgmethinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
14:56.24Peizhaook
14:56.33liablePeizhao: sucks.
14:56.41tetheadyeah, ISPs suck in general
14:56.48tetheadmost of them both suck & blow
14:57.14blondiemmm sucking
14:57.15Peizhaoyes, in UK all port are opened by default for ADSL and Cable, don't understand why is blocked in Australia
14:57.17tetheadmine throttles for "persistant" uploads, yet they advertise "ALWAYS ON"
14:57.27tetheadpersistent*
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14:57.51liablePeizhao: mine doesnt block any, i guess you gotts do some research
14:58.00blondiePeizhao: because you're all a bunch of convicts ;)
14:58.08PhatedHeh.
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14:58.15asghiya Phated
14:58.24mynullvoidPeizhao: 220.239.81.6 80/tcp    filtered http
14:58.33Phated'lo asg.
14:58.40b-_-dwhy is smb suppout missing from kde print
14:58.52blondiebecause your nick is silly
14:58.54asgb-_-d: #debian-kde might know if nobody in here does
14:58.59b-_-ddo i have to build it my sely to get that support?
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14:59.12liableblondie: heh, you just drink your warm beer and dream of sunshine :P
14:59.14b-_-dok
14:59.19robert83a1hi, I'm using debian sarge, wonder if there is a package that provides gtar?
14:59.22blondieno beer thanks
14:59.28Peizhaothanks
14:59.30asgrobert83a1: yes, the 'tar' package is gnu tar
14:59.33HamsaHey, i have a mate that is behind a NAT that we cant control so my question is how can i connect to his PC?, i have thought about some SSH tunnel or VPN but my Linux skills are limited and i just need something fast and easy
14:59.46robert83a1oh, dang, sorry
14:59.52robert83a1thank you
15:00.13robert83a1tar is installed
15:00.17blondieHamsa: connect for what purpose?
15:00.18robert83a1but whereis gtar shows nothing
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15:00.35Hamsablondie, i need to gain SSH access to his PC
15:00.37robert83a1whereas on my centos system I have /bin/gtar
15:01.00asgrobert83a1: well, you could symlink /bin/gtar to /bin/tar if you need to
15:01.10robert83a1oh, so it's only a change in name then...
15:01.17asgrobert83a1: should be, yes.
15:01.18CillianHamsa: if he connects to you, and sets up a tunnel
15:01.22robert83a1I will do that then. thank you for the hint
15:01.27asgrobert83a1: you're welcome
15:01.29CillianHamsa: then you connect into the tunnel, back to them
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15:01.47CillianHamsa: unless you have a nat, then it gets tricky
15:01.58HamsaCillian, sounds good but i dont know how todo it
15:01.59blondieHamsa: maybe ssh -R
15:02.17Hamsahuh?
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15:02.29blondiefor creating a remote tunnel
15:02.46blondieI know how to do local ones but can't work out the others ;)
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15:03.26b-_-dwhat is the beat way to use a smb in debian printer?
15:03.27doojinjesus fucking christ
15:03.49doojinThe problem was i386 hd-media installer didn't support my nforce sata2
15:03.54blondieb-_-d: cups?
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15:04.09b-_-dsmb option is missing
15:04.10doojinblondie : How do I get nforce support?
15:04.14doojinduring installing
15:04.15blondiedoojin: nfi
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15:04.33b-_-ddid you guys build it without smb support
15:04.38mynullvoidb-_-d: you should google around
15:04.43asgdoojin: /msg dpkg sata (the sites listed have some links to supported installers that should work)
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15:05.10mynullvoiddoojin: kernel-2.6 should have support for sata
15:05.14liabledoojin: i thought you were doing homework? :P
15:05.19b-_-dhow can i find out what opyions you guys use when you build stuff
15:05.29b-_-dthing are missing
15:05.29asgb-_-d: we don't build stuff, we install packages
15:05.35mynullvoidheh
15:05.46mynullvoidb-_-d: what you are up to?
15:05.49asgb-_-d: have you asked #debian-kde yet?
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15:05.51b-_-dsomeone has to build the stuff for us
15:05.56doojinThe hd-media installer doesn't support sata2
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15:06.01doojinor my nforce
15:06.06b-_-dasg i just did :(
15:06.13b-_-dno info
15:06.21asgb-_-d: well, be patient.
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15:06.22b-_-dok
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15:07.09b-_-ddoojin install for a knoppix cd in chroot
15:07.17b-_-dfrom*
15:07.21blondieHamsa: did you work it out?>
15:07.21asgb-_-d: also, if you installed your packages using apt-get instead of aptitude, you might not have all of the suggested packages. Check the 'Suggested: ...' info in 'apt-cache show <pkg>' and install those and any 'Recommended: ... ' you don't have also.
15:07.28Hamsablondie, no
15:07.50b-_-dok
15:07.53blondieHamsa: so, can one of you ssh the other but not the other way?>
15:07.57doojinoh
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15:08.06doojinmaybe I can use my grub to install debian
15:08.07Hamsablondie, my host is fine
15:08.13b-_-di used kpackage
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15:08.21blondieHamsa: so he can ssh to you but you can't ssh to him?
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15:08.25Hamsayes
15:08.50b-_-di have a linux server i need to print to
15:08.51mynullvoidHamsa: can't - mening/
15:08.52blondiewell he needs to do something like: ssh -R 2222:localhost:22 user@yourhostname
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15:08.59blondieand then you can ssh to localhost:2222
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15:09.42POVaddctblondie: ssh remote port forwarding rules
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15:09.52asgssh, in general, rules
15:09.55blondiePOVaddct: I just worked out how to use it :o
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15:09.57POVaddcthehe
15:10.04blondieI could use -L but -R confused me
15:10.10doojinIt is so easy
15:10.13doojinI use my grub to load installer
15:10.20liabledoojin: if you already have a linux install and grub, just get a etch installer kernel image and initrd and go from there.
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15:10.49liabledoojin: read the install from hd-media bit of the ig
15:10.57JordiGHI have two directory structures that are similar and I would like to synch them. I would like to mv or cp one of the directories on top of the other, but make sure that during overwrites, only the file with the newer timestamp stays. I looked at unison, but it doesn't seem to do exactly what I want. Suggestions, short of writing my own shell script?
15:10.59deconvolution<PROTECTED>
15:11.03liabledoojin: or  http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
15:11.26POVaddctblondie: i use it for logging into my home pc without having to open any port on it
15:11.42blondiehm
15:12.12POVaddctblondie: plus, i don't need dyndns or something similar
15:12.51JordiGHdeconvolution: Use an intermediate step. dvips and then ps2pdf. That'll make sure your eps files get converted correctly.
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15:13.21doojinliable : do I just need two files to load installer with grub?
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15:13.40liabledoojin: yep, the vmlinuz and initrd
15:14.00doojinoh
15:14.04liabledoojin: but you need the right kernel options for grub, read the ig, or the link i gave
15:14.05doojinsimple
15:14.11deconvolutionJordiGH: i tried but the problem still exists
15:14.11doojinig?
15:14.17liableinstall guide
15:14.24doojinliable : don't worry, debian.org has it
15:14.32deconvolutionJordiGH: ps file is perfect as well as dvi file
15:14.33JordiGHdeconvolution: Strange. Can you view it with a ps reader? E.g. gv, or my personal favourite, kghostview?
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15:14.51WorldBFreehow long until i should  expect the final release of kernel tree 2.6.17.  closer to weeks, or more like months?
15:14.53doojinliable : I will install it tomorrow
15:14.53doojinbye
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15:15.09JordiGHdeconvolution: And why are you using a non-free reader anyway, when we have such great alternatives like gpdf or kpdf? :-)
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15:15.50JordiGHdeconvolution: Hm... Are you writing in LaTeX? How are you putting your eps files into the dvi?
15:15.56deconvolutionJordiGH: I personal use ps file but other reader often use acroread
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15:16.29deconvolutionJordiGH: yes, I use subfigures/graphicx package
15:17.02JordiGHdeconvolution: And \includegraphics[width=69in]{thepicture.eps} ?
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15:17.25deconvolutionJordiGH: something like that
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15:18.00JordiGHdeconvolution: Are you willing to let me have a look at your .tex and .eps files and see if I can compile them into a pdf myself?
15:18.15deconvolutionJordiGH: something like  \subfigure[Event Object Map]{\includegraphics[width=1.13in]{h0_o0.img.eps}}
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15:18.43b-_-dhas anyone printed to a windows box?
15:18.57liableno, no one has ever done that.
15:18.58JordiGHb-_-d: Yes. Samba and cups.
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15:19.09mynullvoidb-_-d: yeap
15:19.18leikhi'm running 2.6.15-1-486 on a AMD K7. Perhaps not a good idea... How do i switch to a k7-kernel? is it just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 ?
15:19.21JordiGHliable: Sarcasm gets lost over the internets.
15:19.22mynullvoidb-_-d: winbind
15:19.23magyaranyone knows if intels viiv is enabled under linux?
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15:19.41liableJordiGH: funny, you detected it :P
15:19.42b-_-dSamba and cups so why do i not have a smb option
15:19.56thingfishmaybe you need to install it.
15:20.17b-_-dinstall what
15:20.17mynullvoidleikh: yeah - use the latest version
15:20.39thingfishb-_-d: samba!
15:20.44b-_-di have samba
15:20.48asgb-_-d: kdenetworking-filesharing also if you don't have it
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15:20.57WorldBFreehow long until i should  expect the final release of kernel tree 2.6.17.  closer to weeks, or more like months?
15:21.00asgerm, kdenetwork-filesharing
15:21.09JordiGHalso...
15:21.12JordiGH!info foomatic
15:21.15asgWorldBFree: ask ##kernelnewbies
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15:21.21JordiGHEr...
15:21.29b-_-dok installing kdenetworking-filesharing now
15:21.40JordiGH!info foomatic-gui
15:21.43dpkgfoomatic-gui: (GNOME interface for configuring the Foomatic printer filter system), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.18 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 240 kB
15:21.58[Elvis]hello
15:22.10[Elvis]can anyone tell me if there's a command to find the total mb usage of mysql ?
15:22.15[Elvis]with all the databases
15:22.26asgWorldBFree: though I'd expect weeks since they are at -rc4
15:22.37WorldBFreeok thanks
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15:22.50asg[Elvis]: du -hs /var/lib/mysql/ should give you a good idea
15:23.38[Elvis]it shows 12K
15:23.40[Elvis]asg
15:23.48[Elvis]what does that indicate?
15:23.50asg[Elvis]: did you symlink /var/lib/mysql somewhere else?
15:23.55asg[Elvis]: also, did you run it as root
15:24.00[Elvis]no not as root
15:24.05JordiGHdeconvolution: So... can I attempt to compile your LaTeX? I promise I won't steal your ideas. I don't even work in image processing. ;-)
15:24.18deconvolutionJordiGH: LOL
15:24.24leikhmynullvoid: the package kernel-image-2.6-k7 is a transition package. isn't that what i'm looking for?
15:24.58deconvolutionthe documents are quite complex with lots external links
15:25.16deconvolutionJordiGH: so i am trying to epstopdf and pdflatex
15:25.24asgdeconvolution: have you also asked #latex?
15:25.28Le_Vertdo you know how  unix users are created in debian package
15:25.28deconvolutionyes
15:25.38Le_Vertall "daemon" users seems to have a low uid
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15:25.49mynullvoidjust install it
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15:26.53JordiGHAs the Polish mathematician and educator Polya used to say, "if there is a problem you can't solve, then there is also a simpler problem you cannot solve. Find it and solve it."
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15:26.53Reptilutzwhat is the page for paste?
15:26.56asgReptilutz: /msg dpkg paster
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15:27.01JordiGHMeaning to say, if you make a very minimal file with an eps image in it, have you managed to convert it to a pdf?
15:27.03Reptilutz10x
15:27.13asgLe_Vert: look at /etc/adduser.conf
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15:27.26leikhmynullvoid: ahh, excellent :) thx
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15:27.41asgLe_Vert: however, debian has a policy for certain daemon name -> uid mappings (www.debian.org/devel)
15:28.03fabitaly69is someone able to explain to me how install this package? www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/
15:28.06Le_VertI'm looking in fetchmail deb src
15:28.07Le_Vert:)
15:28.25asgLe_Vert: ah, then look for 'dh_* helpers' as well as the pre/post inst/rm scripts
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15:28.42Le_Vertfor now I'm not debiannizing any thing
15:28.48Le_Vertjust wrote a small sh daemon
15:29.00Le_Vertto print some usefull informations on my cobalt lcd screen
15:29.00asgLe_Vert: /msg dpkg mg (helpful deb walkthrough)
15:29.16Le_Vertand I'm trying to get it working as it should
15:29.22fabitaly69is someone able to explain to me how install this package? www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/ (ROOT AUTOLOGIN DEBIAN)
15:29.25Le_Vertwith start stop daemon and pid dile :)
15:29.46asgfabitaly69: well, if tarzeau is on, ask him. It's his site.
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15:30.06tarzeaufabitaly69: i-ll fix it
15:30.09asgfabitaly69: if it's just a deb, then try 'dpkg -i <deb>'
15:30.09fabitaly69VERY KIND
15:30.13lesmond74leave
15:30.21asglesmond74: /quit
15:30.27tarzeauasg: ther's a bug it deps
15:30.28superlinuxwhat should make DCC file transfer work in MASQ/NAT mode in iptables?
15:30.34asgtarzeau: ah, okay.
15:30.36fabitaly69asg: i woul like to t use it
15:31.07fabitaly69asg: aready done + -f
15:31.13asgsuperlinux: you need to install the ip_conntrack_irc and ip_nat_irc modules iirc
15:31.18ary_2004_is_backdoes anyone had a manual how to configure a LAN modem for Debian???
15:31.23asgfabitaly69: right, I didn't know he had a bug in the package.
15:31.32k31thIs there any "reason" why i should use apache2 over apache ?
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15:31.50liableary_2004_is_back: you might want to google pppoe tutorial
15:31.51superlinuxasg, the ip_conntrack_irc and ip_nat_irc modules AND iirc?
15:31.56fabitaly69tarzeau: : i woul like to t use it, when do you count to fix it?
15:32.03asgk31th: there are reasons but if you don't know them now, you are better off sticking with 1.3
15:32.07tarzeaufabitaly69: now, give me 10 minutes
15:32.10superlinuxis iirc a must?
15:32.14fabitaly69tarzeau: wow
15:32.15asgsuperlinux: no, iirc == If I remember correctly
15:32.28fabitaly69tarzeau: take your time
15:32.50superlinuxok
15:32.54JordiGHsuperlinux: Also, consider installing wtf. It's in the bsdgames package. :-)
15:33.10superlinuxasg, you  know that tool iirc heh
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15:33.23dererkHi all!
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15:33.31asgsuperlinux: it's listed in wtf(6) in the bsdgames package
15:34.06asgasg@rob:~$ wtf is iirc
15:34.07asgIIRC: if I recall correctly
15:34.07fabitaly69asg, this package should become into atp list. the susers has to have the right to choose imho
15:34.16dererkI need to install Grub or Lilo to a harddisk inside a chroot, but keeps saying "ERROR: install-mbr failed!"
15:34.22dererkIs it possible?
15:34.36liabledererk: yes
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15:34.52fabitaly69but anyone hekp tarzeau to improve it and probabilly during the time the projext will close
15:34.59dererkAny special parameter to give chroot then?
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15:35.32tarzeaufabitaly69: the thing is it's just configuration of software
15:35.35tarzeaufabitaly69: it's not software
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15:35.50superlinuxdererk, you  have to boot from CDrom then mount the "/" (root folder) on a temp_folder
15:36.02superlinuxthen chroot temp_folder
15:36.03JordiGHApologies for repeating: I have two directory structures that are similar and I would like to synch them. I would like to mv or cp one of the directories on top of the other, but make sure that during overwrites, only the file with the newer timestamp stays. I looked at unison, but it doesn't seem to do exactly what I want. Suggestions, short of writing my own shell script?
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15:36.24bbbI compiled 2.6.17-rc4 with kernel-package, installed (using initramfs-tools for initrd creation) and tried to boot. The host is hanging up at boot with the following message "Waiting for root filesystem...". Any idea what's wrong ?
15:36.29dererksuperlinux, it's what I have
15:36.52dererkI'm inside the chroot, but neither Grub nor Lilo can't apply changes to MBR
15:36.53bbbThe host is a powerpc (Powerbook Aluminium G4).
15:36.56superlinuxthen you  are totally working like "root" user
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15:37.09superlinuxok
15:37.09liabledererk: what lilo command are you giving?
15:37.23tetheadanyone a VNCserver guru here?
15:37.25liabledererk: try lilo -b /dev/foo
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15:37.33fabitaly69tarzeau: i mean the freedom to coose if an user whan a system password protect or not. this is freedom, this should be GNU/Linux i think an i hope
15:37.41dererkliable, let me see
15:37.54tarzeaufabitaly69: reload the url
15:38.02superlinuxthen try  grub /dev/hdX
15:38.08dererkERROR: install-mbr failed! again
15:38.12tarzeaufabitaly69: well my package is not really about that. but oh well..
15:38.15dererksuperlinux, did that 100 times
15:38.21superlinuxok then
15:38.22tarzeaufabitaly69: Hurd has that freedom you want
15:38.22dererkSame error
15:38.40liabledererk: is that the only message?
15:38.46dererkliable, yes
15:38.47superlinuxtry using DOS fdisk
15:38.48k31thif i want to TOTALLY remove a package and its confs etc wats the command ?
15:38.54superlinuxfdisk /mbr
15:38.55tarzeauk31th: dpkg -P pkg
15:39.02tarzeausuperlinux: you can also use ms-sys
15:39.05dererkwell, liable this one
15:39.08dererkInstalling MBR on /dev/hda
15:39.08dererkERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable.
15:39.10superlinuxit will erase the mbr
15:39.15dererkThat's all
15:39.16tarzeaudererk: man ms-sys
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15:39.28JordiGHk31th: aptitude remove packagename --purge
15:39.37dererkWhy would I use that fs ?
15:39.52k31thJordiGH: aptitude is apt-get ?
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15:39.56Hamsablondie, hey
15:40.01fabitaly69imho linux problem its to be too attached to unix philosophy. unix its been created in the 1969, today is 2006...
15:40.10tarzeaufabitaly69: so?
15:40.13blondieHamsa: does it work?
15:40.14JordiGHk31th: It's a recommended replacement for apt-get.
15:40.24dererktarzeau, why should I use that fs?
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15:40.32JordiGHhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html
15:40.33tarzeaufabitaly69: unix is good, for 80% of the things with only 20% effort
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15:40.41Hamsablondie, my mate has conneced to my box but i get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
15:40.44tarzeaudererk: did i say anything about fs?
15:40.48superlinuxtarzeau is correct
15:40.54stonedahh boy
15:41.20Hamsawhen i try to connect to localhost:2222
15:41.23superlinuxfabitaly69, you  are speeaking of over 30 yrs of experiance unlike other operating systems
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15:41.30jeffreyhey guys i've got a newb question if i may?
15:41.41tarzeau!dpkg tell jeffrey about ask
15:41.42stonedall I wanted was to play one game, one measly fucking game.  In the past 2 days, windows has given me more shit than my girl has given me in two years.
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15:41.54tarzeaustoned: which game?
15:42.03stonedelder scrolls
15:42.05JordiGHstoned: Are you WINEing?
15:42.05liabledererk: what hapens when you run just lilo after that?
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15:42.24stonedJordiGH, no offense, dude, READ!
15:42.25dererkliable, nothing at all
15:42.42dererkShows the same error always
15:42.56JordiGHstoned, er what offense? I'm asking if you're trying to play it through wine or natively.
15:43.04liabledererk: have you run liloconfig to start with?
15:43.18dererkyes, but died says that error
15:43.24k31thdamn this the apache conf files are still there !
15:43.24stonedJordiGH, english is not your first language I take, I am too tireid to explain myself, whatever
15:43.26dererkyes, but died saying* that error
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15:43.47valdynJordiGH: when someone sais 'windows' he probably isn't speaking of 'wine' )
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15:43.51liabledererk: you have a lilo.conf?
15:43.56dererkyes
15:43.58JordiGHNo, it is one of my first languages. I really didn't meant to offend.
15:44.07liabledererk: paste it for me
15:44.12JordiGH"Whatever," as you say.
15:44.19JordiGH:-)
15:44.33stonedJordiGH, apology came from me.  No offense to you, but you if you try and maybe READ what I said you just might not ask me dumb questions
15:44.41stonedthats all I was trying to say, without offending you :)
15:44.43fabitaly69superlinux: i agree with you
15:44.51JordiGHvaldyn: I'd be quicker to blame Windows than wine if something doesn't work with wine. :-)
15:45.05fabitaly69superlinux: anyway unix was a proprietary system
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15:45.16kspathJordiGH: You can use /ignore for those that are problematic. It has worked great for me lately.
15:45.18fabitaly69superlinux: GNU/LINUX not
15:45.24dererkUmmm, pastbin seems not to be working
15:45.26Hamsablondie, he needed to install SSH it working now thx :)
15:45.40stonedanyway, I got it working but its bullshit man
15:45.58liable!irritate kspath
15:45.58dpkgkspath: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my kanotix werkz kthx
15:46.06stonedyou can't even delete a fscking file cuz  windows likes to lock everything you can't find and kill that process and man
15:46.08stonedthis is retarded
15:46.09dererkliable, I'm gonna try some things and came back if I didn't succeed. Thanks
15:46.16kspath!pal liable
15:46.19liabledererk: ok, gl
15:46.25stonedIm gonna smoke an relax and not let this windows deal piss me off anymore
15:46.31stonedthank god for linux and god bless him
15:46.35stonedfuck gates, im done
15:46.50liablewho is linux?
15:46.51jeffreyi've got a question, running debian with multiple x sessions, after logging in as a different user when i minimize any window, it dissapears? i cant find any windows that i minimize
15:46.52fabitaly69superlinux: we have the freedom to merge the old and the new to improve our experinces and our freedom? do you agree?
15:46.56stonedliable, type, linus
15:46.57dererkliable, gl = go launghing? :P
15:47.00kspathliable: I think I am getting old.
15:47.18stonedliable, typo, you can't tell, then yes, linux is a he'
15:47.28JordiGHjeffrey: Are you using a window manager? Or a desktop environment with a panel?
15:47.36stonedI can't be around tech nerds right now
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15:47.41stonedI am just gonna get more pisse doff
15:47.42stonedlater
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15:48.06jeffreyjordigh, a desktop enviro with panel
15:48.16JordiGHjeffrey: Which one?
15:48.22jeffreygnome
15:48.28dererkliable, ok, magically lilo worked
15:48.46dererkliable, strange, but worked. Thanks
15:48.51liabledererk: heh, good old lilo :)
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15:49.11JordiGHjeffrey: Er, no idea, then. I'm not much of a gnome person.
15:49.14dererkliable, Yes, In fact, I don't like lilo.
15:49.24dererkI prefer Grub, but :P
15:49.39dererkI mean, not the guy lilo , the bootloader :P
15:49.55liabledererk: me too, but grub gives me problems on my box whereas lilo doesnt.. go figure
15:50.03jeffreyJordiGH, thanks anyways
15:50.10fabitaly69superlinux: but tis rule that Linux has to be password protect during the boot i think is a unusefull rule. imagine, i leave my pc into a room where only me i enter, when i go out i close the door by key. wy have i to put a local password?
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15:50.49dererkliable, is it possible that lilo needs more than 16 mb to run? 'cause I've a box with Sarge which uses Grub.
15:51.31liabledererk: i donr know what it requires. i would imagine that its *way* less than 16MB
15:51.32JordiGHfabitaly69: Unix-like systems were originally meant to be used in university and business environments. In those settings, you want all the security and paranoia you can get.
15:51.54k31thOk, i installed apache i did a purge with apt and it didnt remove the dir /etc/apache2 so i removed it by hand. Now when i reinstall apache2 it does not recreate that dir... Wat do i need to do to doa  full reinstall of apache2?
15:51.59dererkliable, hehe
15:52.13JordiGHfabitaly69: And it's not a rule. If you don't want passwords, you can remove them.
15:52.16liable!tell k31th about confmiss
15:52.33k31ththansk
15:52.46liablekspath: you may need to create the dir first though
15:53.03liablek31th: ^^
15:53.04kspathliable: understood.
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15:53.10liablekspath: :P
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15:53.22fabitaly69JordiGH: how can i remove the root password an login
15:53.33robdhell
15:53.36robdhello
15:53.36kspathI wonder why anyone would want any security in a multi-user OS/environment
15:53.47JordiGHfabitaly69: Is GRUB asking you for a password?
15:53.49ByPasSI got a question, not related directly to debian but the host is running it :) Is there anyway to remove the virtual console echo with Xfree86 and also to force it to run on a specific vt ?
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15:53.57fabitaly69no
15:54.00fabitaly69JordiGH: no
15:54.01treestonefabitaly69: What does it matter if you happen to have a root password set? You're not accessing root all the time anyway. (If you are you have other problems.)
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15:54.17JordiGHfabitaly69: I didn't quite understand who is asking you for a password, then.
15:54.34robddoes anyone have any experience fixing the sony vaio shutdown problem in Debian Linux?
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15:54.44dererkliable, interesting, it's working now with 16 mb :D
15:54.49liablerobd: /msg dpkg laptop
15:54.58fabitaly69when gdm ask user and password
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15:55.05liabledererk: what is?
15:55.34dererkliable, It's gonna be a sarge ligth wireless router
15:55.34hugleHello everyone. I can't mount netbsd partition from linux. maybe there are some tricks I have missed ?
15:55.50liable!aw
15:55.55liable!aww
15:55.56dpkg*snuggles*
15:56.00JordiGHHeheheh...
15:56.01treestonefabitaly69: Newer systems won't allow you to log in IN X as root, too many security problems. There's  always console.
15:56.17kspathhugle: www.netbsd.org and www.debian.org are great tricks.  man mount another trick
15:56.43JordiGHIf you really want to run X as root, you can always issue a startx command from a root console.
15:57.02JordiGHOr change the desktop manager config files to allow root logins.
15:57.02fabitaly69the only person that has made something about this topic is tarzeau:
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15:58.14k31thliable: i did that command and it still has not put the dir bk on the install
15:58.23k31thapt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2
15:58.25fabitaly69JordiGH: if you are able, please explain to me how to do
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15:58.38liablek31th: did you make the dir as i mentioned?
15:58.45k31thoh no
15:59.02netsurf3!repository
15:59.02dpkgrumour has it, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get.  A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
15:59.16tarzeaufabitaly69: it's just because we needed a web kiosk
15:59.27JordiGHfabitaly69: Ok, is that what you want? You want to be able to login as root from your desktop manager? That's a very bad idea, but it can be done. Are you using the Gnome or KDE desktop manager?
15:59.33tarzeaufabitaly69: you don't want to create accounts for people to use the web, everyday, like 5 times
15:59.34netsurf3!ndiswrapper
15:59.34dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real ...
15:59.37k31thliable: i made the dir and retried and still nothing
15:59.47liablek31th: its a really good idea not to delete conf files because you fuxored them. just purge and re-install in future..
15:59.51tarzeaufabitaly69: of course it can be used for alot of other things...
15:59.53ByPasSI'm starting X from inittab and I was wondering if there is anyway to remove the text output on virtual console from Xfree86 ?
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16:00.06k31thliable: yea well i know that now.
16:00.08tarzeauByPasS: yes there certainly is
16:00.20liablek31th: so you have nothing in the dir?
16:00.23JordiGHByPasS: startx > /dev/null ?
16:00.24k31thno
16:00.42tarzeauJordiGH: maybe also redirect stderr
16:01.01treestonestartx >/dev/null 2>&1
16:01.06treestone(in bash)
16:01.15ByPasSlet me try :)
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16:01.38dudditsjust for test
16:01.49liablek31th: not that i think it will help.. but dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-blah
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16:03.33fabitaly69JordiGH, sorry i had a call
16:03.37netsurf3GAH why is ndiswrapper-source not in the uk repository for etch O_o
16:03.46JordiGHfabitaly69: No problem. :-)
16:03.47fabitaly69JordiGH, gnome
16:03.47liablek31th: and it was /etc/apache2 you made??
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16:04.19liablenetsurf3: i believe blair has made a law banning it?
16:04.22liable:)
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16:04.45netsurf3liable: dont do that
16:04.49JordiGHfabitaly69: modify /etc/gdm/gdm.conf Under the [security] section change AllowRoot=true
16:04.56netsurf3you scared me for a minute
16:04.59netsurf3lol
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16:05.08JordiGHBut please, keep "AllowRemoteRoot=false", at least. :)
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16:06.36JordiGHI'm not sure if gdm allows it, but if you really want to get rid of all passwords, you can also have the K desktop manager (for KDE) automatically login when you boot the computer. Sometimes this is convenient.
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16:06.48kspathThere should be a law against making laws against laws.
16:07.07liablebut who could make the law?
16:07.09k31thliable: yes
16:07.17dafreshhi, anyone know when a more recent version than 2.6.15 willl come as Debian package ?
16:07.25JordiGHAh, looks like gdm also allows it. In the [daemon] section in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf there is a line for AutomaticLogin
16:07.37kspathliable: The whos would make the laws. Who else but the whos.
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16:08.05liablekspath: ah, but who watches the who's?
16:08.20kspathliable: The wtfs.
16:08.26liableheh
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16:08.31liable:)
16:08.31treestoneliable: You do. Then you vote them away the next time.. (in theory.. :-)
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16:09.02fabitaly69JordiGH: its already true
16:09.15fabitaly69JordiGH: i changed in gdm
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16:09.40JordiGHfabitaly69: So try it now. Restart your xserver, login as root from the gdm greeter.
16:10.10JordiGHBy the way, can someone remind me how to disable the ctrl-alt-backspace zapping of the X server?
16:10.13fabitaly69JordiGH: i am not be able to explain
16:10.22liabletreestone: your name is too much like a certain *non* *department* in novels that i have read, that i have instant cinicism for everything you say! :P
16:10.40treestoneliable: Sorry, I haven't read those novels :-)
16:10.41liables/name/nick/
16:10.55JordiGHfabitaly69: Not able to explain? Is there another language we could converse in? I can offer Spanish or French. :-)
16:11.09fabitaly69i'd like to switch on the pc drink a coffe and come back with the desktop resdy
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16:11.37fabitaly69ready
16:11.38JordiGHfabitaly69: Then turn on the AutomaticLogin option in the [daemon] section of the same file.
16:11.52liablefabitaly69: without putting in a username and password?
16:12.02fabitaly69liable: yes
16:12.03JordiGHI'm not sure what it should look like, but try AutomaticLogic=fabitaly69
16:12.22JordiGHEr, AutomaticLogin=fabitaly69
16:12.48fabitaly69i check now
16:12.53liablefabitaly69: doesnt gdm or kdm have that functionality?
16:12.53thingfishthe gnome login screen setup utility seems to allow that choice, fabitaly69.
16:13.01JordiGHOh, and EnableAutomaticLogin=true, of course.
16:13.07kspath!tell fabitaly69 about research
16:13.14JordiGHEr, AutomaticLoginEnable=true
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16:13.59JordiGHTurn off root logins while you're at it, now that we've understood that that's not what you wanted.
16:14.29JordiGHs/less/fewer :-)
16:14.29mick_homecan someone tell me if it is difficult to setup RAID on Debian? OpenBSD was a breeze to setup, and I'm looking to do a similar setup w/ Debian
16:14.42fabitaly69JordiGH: i found the  "AutomaticLogin="
16:14.44wedgemick_home: probably easier on debian =)
16:14.51wedgemdadm is your friend
16:14.52mick_home:)
16:15.11mick_homeapt-cache search mdadm
16:15.16mick_homedamnit
16:15.19mick_home:)
16:15.19fabitaly69JordiGH: i found the "AutomaticLogin=" but its empty
16:15.23JordiGHAck, someone help me out here. If there is a graphical and automated way of doing this instead.
16:15.31treestonemick_home: But there's RAID and there's RAID. Software RAID? Hardware RAID (e.g. compaq smartarray)?
16:16.08fabitaly69JordiGH: if i put root and password?
16:16.11JordiGHfabitaly69: That line should probably be the name of the user you want to automatically login. Also, change AutomaticLoginEnable=true.
16:16.26liablemick_home: the installer will do it for you if the controller is detected and you want to.
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16:16.44fabitaly69JordiGH: i want start root
16:16.46liablefabitaly69: no, you cant do root logins
16:16.47JordiGHNo, no, no, not root. Never login in as root if all you want to do is chat on IRC. That's how M$ got its problems with spyware. What's your username on that machine?
16:16.49mick_homeliable, oh ya? cool
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16:17.07liablefabitaly69: wtf do you want to log in as root? debian isnt windows
16:17.13fabitaly69liable: its possible
16:17.14mick_homeliable, is the an HCL where i can find if it is supported?
16:17.50liablemick_home: just google the controller and 2.6.8
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16:17.54kspathJordiGH: Do not even try to bring reason, logic, knowledge, or experience into this!
16:17.57liablefabitaly69: wtf do you want to log in as root? debian isnt windows
16:18.00fabitaly69liable: www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/
16:18.14treestonefabitaly69: What's that got to do with root access..
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16:18.40fabitaly69treestone: full control
16:18.41kspath!tell fabitaly69 about clue
16:18.51liablefabitaly69: what?
16:19.17JordiGHAutomatic root access is stupid. Are you trying to setup an internet cafe using Debian? May I recommend OpenKiosk instead?
16:19.23treestonefabitaly69: Whatever reasons you think you have for automatic login w/o pw as root: You are simply mistaken. There _is no need_.
16:19.27JordiGHIt's not a Debian package, but it's libre.
16:19.28kspathJordiGH: You did understand I was joking. I hope so.
16:19.48liablefabitaly69: you obviously have a bit of homework to do if you think logging into x as root is a good idea, nevermind the fact that its absolutletly not needed
16:21.23kspathJordiGH: I think all those words longer than two-three letters were the problem JordiGH
16:22.59JordiGHkspath: Right. But let's curb our animosity. Otherwise fabitaly69 is going to be posting on his blog how he tried to setup Debian but found it horribly difficult and how #debian is full of bastards. :-)
16:23.25liableheh, thats not news.
16:23.56Ironhandis there a way to let update-grub(8) do multiple "setup" operations for various root devices? my /boot is on a raid1 and I'd like to keep every drive bootable
16:23.57robin_szJordiGH, yeah, we have our reputation to think of ...
16:24.04kspathJordiGH: I am an asshole perhaps but I try to help. I guess anyone can set up a "blog" and spew into it today.
16:24.12mick_homefabitaly69, its universally considered stupid to log into X as root
16:24.23JordiGHkspath: These kids and their internets. :-)
16:24.41blondiehmm
16:24.48liablenot only stupid, but as he has learnt, its made hard to do because its a stupid idea
16:24.55fabitaly69tarzeau: i have an output to send you
16:24.58blondiedebian won't let you log into X as root, but it will let you login via ssh! what an excellent idea
16:25.20nseis it possible that an underclock can hide errors in a bad ram? if the frequency in the bios is set to 100mhz (module works with 166mhz) memtest would not recognize errors.
16:25.29mick_homefabitaly69, the problem is that once there is a buffer overflow (or something similar) then it gives the attacker root priviledges (like what happens to Windows machines)
16:25.46mick_homethats where the correlation exists
16:25.52liableblondie: afreed, having sshd installed and started by default with root logins is silly
16:26.10liablegeez i suck again at typing tonight
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16:26.16thingfishnse: I think that is true to a certain extent.  I underclock my ram a little bit, myself.
16:26.19blondieliable: whoever set that in sshd_config for debian needs a slap
16:26.40nsei mean: *is it possible to and underclock to hide..
16:26.53robin_szI always prefer to log in as $normalUser and become root .. or sudo mostly
16:26.53thingfishnse: you can try.
16:27.10robin_szactually being root is a rarely needed thing
16:27.11thingfishnse: but usually it's best to replace faulty memory modules.
16:27.30JordiGHI was going to post a picture of someone bending over in order to explain to fabitaly69 the nature of what he wanted to do, but maybe that would be in poor taste.
16:27.38thingfishhehe
16:27.43liableblondie: well, sshd isnt even installed with the etch installer, so i guess it shows how we have changed from a server oriented distro where its assumed the admin knows what he is doing, to trying to be like ubuntu :P
16:27.55kspathJordiGH: You could pastebin it perhaps.
16:28.03blondieliable: yes :(
16:28.23mick_homefabitaly69, know how Windows boxen get compromised on a daily (hourly?) basis... it is this exact reason... people (Windows users) want to justify running everything as root... what you should do is apt-get install sudo; man sudo, then remove root's login (you can add /bin/nologin to /etc/passwd under root)
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16:28.35kspathJordiGH: Assuming it is assci art
16:28.41sebastien__hello
16:28.42blondiemick_home: no thank you
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16:28.44kspathJordiGH: ascii
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16:29.10nsethingfish: yes! my module is crap. but making it work at 100mhz freezes the os after a long time. if the bios is set to the right speed than i can't even boot. "errors on writing to the ram, kernel panic."
16:29.32fabitaly69mick_home:  sudo don has all tha control of the root
16:29.37sebastien__can you tell me how can i open a program in a position of the screen (gnome)
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16:29.52fabitaly69mick_home: justa a part
16:30.01liablefabitaly69: stop being a retyard. log in as a user and do the shit you need to do.
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16:30.13tarzeaufabitaly69: you need to remove gdm if you want webkiosk
16:30.14liablefabitaly69: when you need to be root, use su
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16:30.33sebastien__for example, open xchat at right of the screen
16:30.46exobytedumb script question: how do I make a script run in the dir it resides in, even if it was run from another dir?
16:31.10mick_homefabitaly69, i'm not going to argue w/ you on this... you know what - go ahead login as root (allow root logins via ssh while you are at it too), actually lets take the RMS approach and take off passwords (who needs those pesky things anyway?)
16:31.25liabletarzeau: this thing needs you to log in as root? a graphical web kiosk manager thats run from x as root?
16:31.35JordiGHEr, what? Rms doesn't use passwords?
16:31.50JordiGHtarzeau: you seem to understand what is going on. Care to explain?
16:32.02mick_homeJordiGH, i'm refering to his time at MIT
16:32.05tarzeauliable: of course it does NOT run as root
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16:32.15mick_homeJordiGH, watch RevolutionOS
16:32.16liablethank fuck for that
16:32.16tarzeauliable: i don't know how you get the idea I run X as root
16:32.23tarzeauJordiGH: about what?
16:32.53JordiGHtarzeau: Why was fabitaly69 asking us how to automatically login from X as root? What's that kiosk software? What is fabitaly69 trying to do?
16:33.01fabitaly69im ttried to speack about root aulogin. you kepp your mind, and now stop please
16:33.27tarzeauJordiGH: i don't know
16:33.34mick_homei know people who develop kiosk software and I know they don't do that
16:33.36tarzeauJordiGH: i just have this package here, www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/
16:33.45tarzeauJordiGH: and it doesn't run as root, of course
16:33.54tarzeauJordiGH: i have no idea what he is trying to do
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16:34.02liabletarzeau: fabitaly69 seems to think he needs to log in as root, and seemed to give that package as the reason for it.
16:34.04JordiGHtarzeau: So it's kiosk software, right? For setting up an internet cafe, library terminals, that sort of thing?
16:34.13tarzeauJordiGH: exactly
16:34.25tarzeauliable: *shrug*
16:34.35liableexactly
16:34.36tarzeauliable: how is that my problem?
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16:34.46liabletarzeau: it isnt
16:34.50fabitaly69liable: pls, i search solution not political
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16:35.04blondie!pls
16:35.04dpkgCud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron.
16:35.05wuthow do i stop the hdd-temp daemon from starting at boot?
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16:35.17kspath!tell dpkg about u
16:35.19kspathhehehe
16:35.27fabitaly69liable: stay with your point of view, an i with mine
16:35.28tarzeauwut: reconfigure hddtemp
16:35.32liablefabitaly69: dude, we are trying to give you advice thats actually good for you. not to make life hard for you..
16:35.38kspath!tell dpkg about plz
16:35.42sebastien__someone to help me for launch an application in a position of the scrren (gnome)
16:35.46magyarhow can i block gotomypc traffic?
16:35.59JordiGHThere's already a language barrier. No need to pick on it.
16:36.24blondiefabitaly69: people here don't HAVE to help you do stupid things
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16:36.31mick_homemagyar, block the port?
16:36.35phaedrus_im trying to switch to another user but now stop the apps im running from this user...any ideas?
16:36.49fabitaly69blondie: ok
16:36.52magyarmick_home: right, port 80
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16:37.00JordiGHfabitaly69: You thought you needed root login to run the webkiosk software, but you don't. Perhaps you need root login to install webkiosk, but not to run webkiosk.
16:37.01mick_homemagyar, nm :)
16:37.01liablefabitaly69: we dont tell you these things to be assholes. believe it or not, we are here to help people
16:37.07Vasisthaphaedrus_: you want to kill all the apps that belong to a particular user?
16:37.10netsurf3why is ndiswrapper-source not in the uk repository for etch
16:37.11mick_homei didn't know that it goes over 80
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16:37.30phaedrus_i dont want apps to stop..but i want to switch to another user
16:37.37magyarmick_home: no problems i am here for you
16:37.42mick_home:P
16:37.52treestonefabitaly69: An analogy: If someone comes along and insists that it's necessary to run the card with the hood (bonnet) off when driving, in order to have "full control", then people will try as hard as they can to tell that someone that he's mistaken.
16:37.53blondiebless
16:37.58Ranieriwhat device i need to mount for access my /dev/hda1 in debian installer ?
16:38.04treestones/card/car obviously
16:38.13creichenHi! Since the Xorg move, my 'xinit' only tells me 'xinit:  Server error.' whenever I try to do 'startx'.  This doesn't seem to be covered by the xorg 7.0 wiki entries... (note that I can start Xorg by hand, and it works fine)
16:38.15phaedrus_so when i am working my friend can just switch to her login but my apps wont stop
16:38.20Vasisthaphaedrus_: Do you want to switch, e.g., KDE to another user?  Or you at a console and you just want to switch that to another user?
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16:38.28liableRanieri: using installer as rescue disk?
16:38.37Vasisthas/Or/Or are/
16:38.45insidiusIs there a way to download a entire folder using the ftp from console. keeps telling me not a regular file
16:38.58mick_homemagyar, http://www.gotomypc.com/downloads/pdf/m/GoToMyPC_Personal_Security_White_Paper.pdf
16:39.00Vasisthainsidius: have you looked at wget ? man wget
16:39.01treestoneinsidius: wget
16:39.02Ranieriliable: no, cd debian installer
16:39.03phaedrus_so when i am working my friend can just switch to her login but my apps wont stop and when she is done i can switch back to my work
16:39.05MisogynistWhat's the stability of sarge-backports relative to testing?
16:39.14phaedrus_but the downloads and all wont stop on my login
16:39.29Ranieriliable: i need mount /dev/hda1 in install, for rescue my grub
16:39.33insidiusyeah thats what i thought i would end up having to do
16:39.35liableRanieri: um, explain again what you are trying to do?
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16:39.40liableRanieri: right
16:39.48insidiusJust thought mabye it was possible to do in ftp through console
16:39.49liableRanieri: from the install disc?
16:39.50insidiusthanks guys
16:39.51wuttarzeau, what do you mean?
16:39.56Ranieriliable: yes
16:40.01Vasisthaphaedrus_: so you want this to be a graphical login, e.g. KDE.  Yes, it is possible to start a new X session for your friend, that is probably what you want, right?
16:40.06liableRanieri: http://liable.mine.nu/debian/grub-reinstall.html
16:40.13tarzeauwut?
16:40.19phaedrus_yeah exactly
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16:40.33phaedrus_but i use fluxbox and not kde
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16:40.49wuttarzeau, about reconfiguring hddtemp, i don't see an option to start at boot
16:40.59mick_homemagyar,
16:41.02tarzeauwut: dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp
16:41.04mick_home"Companies can control GoToMyPC traffic by simply blocking traffic sent to
16:41.04mick_homethe GoToMyPC broker's IP address."
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16:41.12lastnodewhere is the doc team channel?
16:41.14Vasisthaphaedrus_: alright.  I don't know the specific instructions for fluxbox, but it is possible.  why don't you google.com/linux for fluxbox new x session
16:41.23tarzeaulastnode: what's your question to them?
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16:41.27phaedrus_cool
16:41.28phaedrus_thank you
16:41.32tarzeaulastnode: they've got an email adress no? which package is it about?
16:41.33mick_homei thought #debian-doc
16:41.38lastnodetarzeau, id like to see how i can help out :)
16:41.39wutok thanks
16:41.47mick_homenm, not there
16:42.01Ranieriliable: thanks, and sorry for my bad english
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16:42.08Vasisthaphaedrus_: you will switch back and forth with ctrl+alt+f7 and ctrl+alt+f8
16:42.22phaedrus_cool cool thanks
16:42.23liableRanieri: np
16:42.25tarzeaulastnode: translations?
16:42.26phaedrus_this will be great
16:42.35Vasisthaphaedrus_: one easy way to get at it might be to LOCK your session -- in kde, when a session is locked there is a button to start a new one
16:42.48lastnodetarzeau, well maybe, but my language unicode is still at war
16:42.52phaedrus_oh...yeah i remember now
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16:43.09creichencreichen: Got it. /etc/X11/X is linked to /bin/true.  No, that wasn't me...
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16:47.34blondiehmm, why would Xorg be using 35-35% CPU all the time?
16:47.37tarzeau!popcon
16:47.38dpkgpopcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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16:47.48blondie*35-45
16:47.55liableblondie: firefox?
16:48.04gravityblondie: Do you have composite enabled?
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16:48.32blondieliable: when "nothing else" is running
16:48.34blondiegravity: no idea
16:48.40gravityblondie: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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16:49.32blondiewell the word "composite" doesn't appear in that log
16:49.36liableblondie: does it go down if you kill it?
16:49.47gravityblondie: What driver are you using?
16:49.52liable... the star it again of course :)
16:49.55gravityblondie: And what wm?
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16:50.09liablegah, +n +t
16:50.28Mordenwhat is the correct way to have a shell script executed by cron under a certain user?
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16:50.52Mavekak postavit debian na piii 667 mhz?
16:51.12liableMave: english?
16:51.13gravityMorden: I think crontab is the app you want. Check the manpage, since I don't know how to use it myself
16:51.17blondieI'm not sure what driver it is, and it's gnome with whatever the default WM is for that
16:51.27gravityhrm
16:51.31Maveliable yes little
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16:51.50gravityblondie: I'm not sure then... that's really odd.
16:51.50liableMave: whats your native language?
16:51.59Maveliable russia
16:52.00Maveliable russian
16:52.07big_moonmav, ty ih porvesh` %)
16:52.13crypt_exI have only Debian installed on this PC and would like to install winxp for some game along side this, ie dual boot. If I try and install win though this will literally ignore that Linux is installed. Is there a way to overcome this issue?
16:52.15liableMave: try #debian-ru
16:52.38pipelinecrypt_ex: Install windows first.
16:52.41Mordengravity: I created a file cron.txt and entered the following: 40 * * * * /bin/sh /home/mail/web4p1/vs.sh     and then I setup the cronjob like crontab -uweb4p1 cron.txt
16:52.48Maveliable there nobody
16:53.01crypt_expipeline, I have Debian setup nicely now...I know its awkward but is it possible?
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16:53.16crypt_expipeline, probably need to purchase a second disk dont I?
16:53.20liableMave: sorry, #debian-russion
16:53.35liablerussian
16:53.45liableomg, i suck
16:53.52blondieliable: restarting X and it idles on around 15% CPU
16:54.03gravityblondie: Try it with a different wm?
16:54.11gravityblondie: It may just be a gnome problem
16:54.13crypt_exlol @ liable
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16:54.16liableblondie: wow, thats still very high
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16:54.24pipelinecrypt_ex: No.  It's just that windows will plow your bootloader no matter what.
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16:54.36pipelinecrypt_ex: So let it plow your bootloader, then use a rescue disc of some sort to reinstall the bootloader.
16:54.50crypt_expipeline, right got ya
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16:55.19blondieok, driver is apparently "ati"
16:55.24crypt_exso I could create a filesystem for Windows to use then, let it install and then run Debian rescue disk?
16:55.32blondieit's an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M card
16:55.44gravityOk
16:56.02vin`blondie: xorg7?
16:56.13liablecrypt_ex: you need free space for windows, install it, then fix the mbr
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16:56.34blondieno 6.9.0
16:56.58blondieit's a new netinstall of etch
16:57.12gravityblondie: Well... you can try EXA I guess
16:57.20blondiewhat is aht?
16:57.21blondie*that
16:57.23gravityAlthough it might be worse, but it's at least an option
16:57.42gravityblondie: It's an alternate (new) method for the X server to talk to drivers. It's not finished yet, but sometimes it helps people with prolems like yours
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16:57.49gravityOne second, let me dig up the wiki page on how to enable it
16:57.54blondiehmm
16:58.08blondieI think linux just doesn't like my laptop :)
16:58.08gravityIf it doesn't fix the problem you can simply disable it again
16:58.16blondiek
16:58.36liableblondie: r u a girl?
16:58.40liable:P
16:58.42gravityblondie: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ExaStatus
16:58.48gravityliable: Don't do that
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16:59.07liablegravity: its been a bit of a long standing joke
16:59.16blondieis the information in /proc/cpuinfo realtime?
16:59.21gravityblondie: Yes
16:59.22liableyes
16:59.39blondieok
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16:59.49blondiejust checking that my CPU wasn't running at a silly low speed
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17:01.16liablegravity: i dont come here to troll :)
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17:02.16vin`!smitesmite liable
17:02.20gravityliable: I know, I just want to keep this a good environment
17:02.44blondiehmm this is bizarre -- I can't type " in X
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17:02.59vin`gravity: how's aiglx coming along? I do check experimental often. ;)
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17:03.22gravityvin`: It's due to be released upstream soon, so I'll be hitting it then
17:03.39liablegravity: indeed, we dont want to get too anal in here though :)
17:03.41blondieif I type " twice I get an umlaut or something :S
17:03.47NoMozartHi! How i can get to know, that my debian is sarge?
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17:04.05streunerNoMozart: check sources.list
17:04.21streunerNoMozart: and run 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1'
17:04.24DunedanNoMozart: have al look at /etc/debian_version
17:04.40MaveI need setup debian on P III 667 mhz How i ca do that?
17:04.42NoMozartno /etc/debian_version contains only number of version
17:05.03DunedanNoMozart: 3.0 ist woody und 3.1 is sarge ;-)
17:05.13streunerif you get something like ii  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-22sa* you are running sarge/stable
17:05.15blondieMave: by reading the instructions?
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17:05.29Maveblondie where?
17:05.29blondieDunedan: english please; also 3.1 is sarge and newer
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17:05.32NoMozartDunedan, i know ) How i can get it from debian?
17:05.34blondieMave: www.debian.org
17:05.50Dunedanups
17:05.56Maveblondie but debian write error
17:06.15blondiehuh?
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17:06.42blondiegravity: doesn't make much difference, but I'm not too worried for now
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17:06.52gravityOk
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17:07.06blondieany idea why " (shift-2) wouldn't work? every other key does
17:07.16blondiepressing it twice gives an umlaut or something
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17:07.53jelly-hoblondie: may it's a dead key (compose)? try pressing space after shift-2.
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17:08.20blondiejelly-ho: hmm yes htat works -- how do you turn that off?
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17:08.37HNTHello everybody, if i want to run a script at boot where may i place it, ihave tried /etc/init.d and a symoblic link in /etc/rc5.d/ but it doesn't work, this script is suppose to asseign key codes
17:08.40vin`gravity: this is the 7.1 release?
17:08.43gravityvin`: Ye
17:08.44gravityyes
17:08.50vin`cool. :)
17:08.51gravityNot out yet, but pieces of it are in unstable already
17:08.53jelly-hoblondie: I don't know, it annoys me as well but I don't use the local keyboard definition on console.
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17:09.02liableHNT: debian uses rc.2 by default
17:09.07gud_Is anyone here familiar with Skolelinux?
17:09.16HNTthanks
17:09.25streunergud_: that's OT here
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17:09.35avtobiffgud_, i have heard of it
17:09.36streunergud_: we support debian
17:09.39AndreaOk, here it goes.  I checked for blatant problems before I updated and upgraded my Sid install.  None were apparent, so I proceeded with my upgrade.  As it was 4AM I immediately shutdown after the completion of the install.  The next morning, I rebooted, and was greeted with a busybox shell.  <more>
17:09.43gud_its debian based
17:09.49krnl`-i've got 2 machnes behind routers. is it possible to create direct connection between them? (what is p2p?)
17:09.59streunergud_: we don't support it
17:10.19Tallu!based on debian
17:10.19dpkgYou're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages.  You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions.  See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>
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17:10.29streunergud_: check out #skolelinux or such
17:10.31liablegud_: but its not debian. sorry, ask in the channel for skolelinux
17:10.32semboyyellow
17:10.41liableorange!
17:10.45tarzeaublue
17:10.49streunerred
17:10.56gud_im totally new with debian, how do i change ip-address?
17:11.04tarzeaugud_: you don't have debian
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17:11.25tarzeaugud_: thus you don't qualify to get help here
17:11.25semboyhello you ppl know about this msttcorefonts?
17:11.38tarzeausemboy: it's not free, what's the question about it?
17:11.40liable!msstcorefonts
17:11.45liablebah
17:12.03jelly-hokrnl`-: You meant that both machines are behind NAT? Not easily.
17:12.05pipelinesemboy: install msttcorefonts and x-ttcidfont-conf
17:12.20semboyi am trying to  get tahoma.ttf
17:12.21semboy;(
17:12.27tarzeausemboy: it's not free
17:12.29jelly-hosemboy: tahoma is non-free.
17:12.32streunerwell, its in msttcorefonts
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17:12.37semboyohhhman
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17:12.41exobytedumb script question: how do I make a script run in the dir it resides in, even if it was run from another dir?
17:12.42jelly-hostreuner: it's not.
17:12.47streunerits not?
17:12.49tarzeaustreuner: i hope non-free gets removed from debian.org one day
17:12.54tarzeaustreuner: and contrib too
17:12.57jelly-hostreuner: or bloody well shouldn't be.
17:13.00blondiejelly-ho: getting rid of this line from xorg.conf fixed that: Option          "XkbVariant"    "intl"
17:13.03AndreaI know the drive is at least spinning up somewhat because the kernel I installed last week is being booted.  Error reports begin with "Freeing unused kernel memory: 144K freed <crlf> Loading, please wait.... <crlf>  Warning: Couldn't open dir. /lib/modules/2.6.16010686: NSFD and then ciointinues.
17:13.06tarzeaustreuner: there needs to be a clear line
17:13.08krnl`-notaction, but how kazaa and bittorrent solute this?
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17:13.17krnl`-jelly-ho, but how kazaa and bittorrent solute this?
17:13.18jelly-hoblondie: thanks, good to know.
17:13.25semboyohhman
17:13.28streunertarzeau: well, if debian has no clear line, who else then?
17:13.30semboyhow much does it cust
17:13.31semboy?
17:13.35semboytahoma.ttf
17:13.36tarzeaustreuner: debian doesn't
17:13.48tarzeaustreuner: if you want to be the best, you need to do things, not look what others do
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17:13.59tarzeausemboy: ask ##windows
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17:14.07exobytelol.. .##windows
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17:14.11semboyLOL
17:14.17semboyi have windows
17:14.18semboy2
17:14.24liablesemboy: when we say non-free, its not as in costs you money non-free. you can still download it for free
17:14.27semboyi have it duel-boot
17:14.28exobytesemboy: 2, like < 3.1
17:14.30streuneroh, you are right, semboy, just copy the font into your folder
17:14.35semboycan i copy from my windows to linux?
17:14.36jelly-hokrnl`-: some torrent clients use router's UPNP service if available.  UPNP is a way to dynamically open a port on the router to be forwarded to your machine on the inside network.  Azureus does this, for example.
17:14.42streunersemboy: yes
17:14.46semboyhow
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17:14.47semboy;S
17:14.53tarzeausemboy: to /usr/share/fonts/
17:14.55der__oschnihello all, does anyone have a kernel > 2.6.16-k7-smp kernel for sarge for me?
17:14.55streunersemboy: read /msg dpkg xf4 ttf
17:15.12krnl`-jelly-ho, thnx!
17:15.14liable>2.6.16?
17:15.26tarzeauder__oschni: build your own?
17:15.29gravity~/.fonts
17:15.37apt/.fonts is probably for fontconfig'ed apps, like gimp-2.0 and newest scribus
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17:15.38tarzeauder__oschni: www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/
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17:15.52liableder__oschni: backports.org, but i doubt they have it. you prolly need to compile
17:15.54streunergravity: why is that?
17:16.05Andreahowever, when I try and mount the drive from busybox, /dev/hdb1  to /mnt it tell me there's nsfd again... <more>
17:16.30gravitystreuner: Why is what?
17:16.35streunersemboy: please keep the convo in channel
17:16.42semboyok
17:16.53AndreaI cd'ed into /dev/, and there's no hd?? files.  Anyone have an idea of what I can do?
17:17.05streunergravity: so you don't need to read the HOWTO and follow the steps, just copy them into ~/.fonts is enough?
17:17.13liableAndrea: nsfd?
17:17.24DaBladeDoes anyone know of a command line app that plays wav files?
17:17.27gravitystreuner: For truetype fonts, yes
17:17.29Andreano such file or directory
17:17.31gravityAs far as I understand it
17:17.33tarzeauDaBlade: ocp of opencubicplayer
17:17.36tarzeauDaBlade: and play of sox
17:17.53DaBladesox then?
17:17.55gravityYep, that's right. I have a gazillion fonts in my ~/.fonts. They work perfectly in OO.o, gimp, abiword, etc
17:17.57semboyi am new to linux -how do i go to my windows throuth linux?
17:17.59streunersemboy: we already give you 2 solutions, just follow the advise of gravity (cp them into ~/.fonts)
17:18.00Andrea!nsfd
17:18.02gravitykeithp ftw
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17:18.48liableAndrea: and you tried the devfs version of it?
17:19.05der__oschnithanks liable
17:19.08der__oschnigood byre
17:19.18Andrealiable: how?
17:19.24semboyStreuner how do i copy from the windows
17:19.26jelly-hoCan I not use udev in unstable?
17:19.26semboyplease
17:19.27liableder__oschni: you're welcome
17:19.28semboy;M
17:19.38gravityjelly-ho: It needs a really new kernel
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17:19.48streunersemboy: man cp
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17:20.22jlawsemboy: you do not go to windows through your linux ... you'll have to use a bootloader: grub or lilo
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17:20.39liableAndrea: what kernel?
17:20.44jelly-hogravity: I don't want to use udev (I want a static /dev), but dependecies want to install it.
17:20.47Andrea2.6.16
17:21.01semboyok i have grub
17:21.03gravityjelly-ho: You'll have to figure out the dependency net then. You don't need udev
17:21.05liableAndrea: and you have udev i take it?
17:21.15semboyi have grub but dont know how to use it ;S
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17:21.22jlawsemboy: and if you want to copy data from your windows partitions you have to mount them
17:21.31AndreaIs udev loaded with busybox?
17:21.46semboyjlaw can i private msg you?
17:21.52semboyi am so noob in this game
17:21.58Andrealiable: No, udev is not suppliesd with busybox.
17:21.59jlawsemboy feel free
17:22.07blondie!ati
17:22.07dpkgwanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt
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17:22.15jlawsemboy it's not a game, it's an os
17:22.36semboyi just say with cool words over it
17:22.42semboyyou know "G"
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17:22.46semboy?:)
17:22.48Andreasemboy: spend some time reading first then, before you start asking questions here.. trust me.  Look up the Linux Documentation project..
17:23.02semboyi have done it
17:23.06semboyand know much about it
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17:23.35Andreasemboy: what's your native language?
17:23.40semboyicelandic
17:23.46semboyi am from iceland
17:24.00streunerthere is a danish channel here?
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17:24.18streuner!dk
17:24.18dpkgwell, dk is Denmark and #debian.dk too
17:24.18insidiusWould anyone have an idea as to why when i use my ftp it always reconnects for every file and is really slow on a local network?
17:24.18streuneroh
17:24.22semboyjlaw here?
17:24.23streunersemboy: try #debian.dk then
17:24.37semboywhat?
17:24.38semboyWHAT?
17:24.38Andreasemboy: I was thinking you may have better luck in a Debian channel in your native language, but I dont' think there's a #debian-iceland.. sorry.
17:25.03jlawsemboy: seems not to work
17:25.28semboyohh man
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17:25.39semboybut hey can i use msn to send it ?
17:25.45semboyi have 2 computers
17:25.46semboy:D
17:25.53liablehehe
17:25.53blondiemmm seems much happier with xfce instead of gnome
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17:25.56jlawti send what?
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17:26.06tdnHow do I remove KDE from my system? I did apt-get install kde, because I would like to try it. When I do apt-get remove kde, I realize that "kde" is only a meta package. How do I remove KDE? Please help.
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17:26.16tarzeau!remove kde
17:26.16dpkgmethinks remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin (or ask me about "install kde")
17:26.45liabletdn: use aptitiude in future, it roxorz
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17:27.07semboyi have 2 computers 1 has windows and i am on the another one linux -so i go to the other computer and go to msn and go here to msn and send the font stuff -does it work
17:27.28MyArabianany body can help in arabian linux ?
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17:27.35tarzeauMyArabian: #arabeyes ?
17:27.39liablesemboy: just install the msttcorefonts package from non-free
17:27.40tdntarzeau: thanks.
17:27.40MyArabianmy sound card does'nt work
17:27.48semboyi have done it
17:27.51jlawo_O semboy, i think you really need help in your natuve language+
17:28.00blondiewhat is "arabian linux"?
17:28.01semboyi know
17:28.10jlawand i need a typing course -.-
17:28.21tdnliable: why is that better? Why should I take the time to learn how to use it when I have already learned how to use apt-get?
17:28.24semboyjlaw
17:28.33semboydoes it not work with this grub?
17:28.35tarzeaujlaw: try typespeed
17:28.53jlaw!tell semboy -about enter
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17:29.12tuxmanhi
17:29.16phaedrus_when i switch users and try to startx -- :1 vt8   i get an error saying user is not authorized to access x server
17:29.21phaedrus_any ideas?
17:29.40tuxmanpost x result
17:29.45phaedrus_how?
17:29.54tuxmanerror message
17:29.58phaedrus_ok
17:29.59liabletdn: because it removes the automatically installed packages when you remove the parent package. and fyi, you can use it exactly like apt-get.. instead .. aptitude install foo .. aptitude remove foo .. aptitude purge foo etc
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17:30.09jlawphaedrus_: how did you switch users? logged in on another konsole or with gdm/kdm?
17:30.38phaedrus_ctrl+alt+f2
17:30.44Andreasemboy: google msttcorefonts debian, you'll get step by step instructions.  It's simple.. you need to add contrib and non-free to the line in your /etc/apt/sources.list which has the word main in it.  Then once that's done, just apt-get  update apt-get install msttcorefonts
17:30.45phaedrus_entered the users name and pass
17:30.48liabletdn: and if you dont want to take the time to learn more, then .. bad luck to you
17:30.53phaedrus_typed startx -- 1: vt8
17:31.05streunerAndrea: ehm
17:31.15Andreastreuner: am I incorrect>?
17:31.16jlawphaedrus_: so you took another console and the xserver is still running
17:31.35streunerAndrea: gravity already said its enough to copy it to ~/.fonts ...
17:31.37phaedrus_yeah
17:31.46jlawphaedrus_: try strg+alt+f7 and use gdm/kdm for switching users
17:31.57phaedrus_when i do the startx   i get  X: user not authorized to access the X server
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17:32.09phaedrus_i have only fluxbox
17:32.16tdnliable: ok.
17:33.07jlawphaedrus_: k ... i'm not used to fluxbox, sorry - maybe you can stop x before switching the user and then start it again
17:33.13hobophobeAwhile ago I accidentally sent a print job before connecting my usb printer, so now it still has those jobs listed and it won't find the device/cancel it... I tried readding it, now I have another copy of the same printer that isn't working either.. how do I resolve this (I tried lprm and it didn't do anything)
17:33.38tuxmanhobophobe: http://localhost:631
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17:34.02hobophobeAh...glory to the linux! Thanks tuxman
17:34.18tuxmanwelcome
17:34.36semboyAndrea
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17:37.25semboy<PROTECTED>
17:37.28x0dushey, does anyone know how to convert the Network Install CD Image to a DVD Bootable Image, I can only burn/read DVDs (hardware problems) and would like to use the network install, thanks
17:37.56blondiex0dus: no, no-one does
17:38.05liablex0dus: sure, use growisofs to mahe a dvd from it
17:38.33hobophobeHey there's an idea
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17:38.38liablefuck, i cant seem to type a sentece without a spelling error
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17:38.48jarryanyone know how can i send dns queries with compressed names?
17:38.51lastnode!language
17:38.51dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins.
17:38.58liablehahaha
17:38.59jarryith dig/nslookup/host/whatever
17:39.05hobophobeget a bunch of thumb drives just big enough for the network install image...and distribute them.
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17:39.07blondiejarry: what?
17:39.09liablelastnode: this isnt #ubuntu
17:39.18tuxmanx0dus: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Network-Install-HOWTO.html
17:39.19lastnodeliable, ?
17:39.34x0dusthanks tuxman I'll check that link out
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17:39.39liablelastnode: i thought you were having a dig at me swearing?
17:39.53x0dusalso, liable - is that a Linux tool, if so I can't use that because I have yet to install Debian
17:39.58matt_Hello there... I'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.16.16 on Debian sarge.  My system is running RAID+LVM and when I install the new kernel image (without initrd -- that didn't seem to work) I end up with the following error: VFS: Cannot open root device "mapper/vg0-root" or unknown block(0,0).  Can anyone point me to a HOWTO or other document that would lead me through getting kernel 2.6.16 up and running on Debian sarge?  Thanks!
17:40.01insidiusCould anyone help me with proftpd?
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17:40.11liablex0dus: yes, dvd+rw-tools
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17:40.26lastnodeliable, oh that too, but im a grammar nazi at heart
17:40.35lastnode!ask
17:40.36dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
17:40.44lastnodeinsidius, ^^
17:40.45john_xzyxzyI use g++ to compile some code, after that I link them , but it reported "multiple definition"
17:40.48wietz0r!gamp
17:40.49dpkgGay Asian Midget Pr0n!
17:40.51blondienothing wrong with swearing unless it's directed at someone in a bad way
17:40.52tuxmaninsidius: what's the problem ?
17:40.53liablelastnode: hrm, yes, way to many grammar nazis here
17:40.58jlawmatt_: take care that every hdd device driver and other controller components are compiled into the kernel and not selected modular
17:41.01x0dusi dont have Linux, are there any Windows alternatives
17:41.04hobophobex0dus, does your burning software not support the operation?
17:41.08blondieliable: "to many"?
17:41.16liablegah!
17:41.19liable:(
17:41.20Supaplex!langauge
17:41.23Joris_!opera-package--
17:41.25insidiusOk i setup ftp on my machine ages ago. Tonight is the first time i needed to use. I tried to upload a folder but it resets the sending of the files and sometimes even recconnects and is really slow
17:41.31john_xzyxzythe error reported when link some  .o file   and my .a lib file.
17:41.32Supaplexdpkg: sit!
17:41.33master_of_masterhi, I've got a problem that a 3c905c (Tornado) doesn't whant to go to wol mode
17:41.33liable!slap blondie
17:41.34Joris_what, no karma bot?
17:41.36insidiusI have been all through the config but cant figure out why
17:41.36x0dusi dont think so, it doesnt allow you to burn it onto a DVD. and there is no tool to conver one
17:41.41john_xzyxzywhat's wrong
17:41.42blondieliable: ooh harder
17:41.50liable!spank blondie
17:41.57liable:)
17:41.57blondie:>
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17:42.06matt_jlaw: Yeah... I went through that and made those modules I'd need included in the kernel (rather than compiled as modules).  That didn't seem to work and I don't think I'm missing any.  :-)
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17:42.11hobophobex0dus, there is a dvd image I believe...but there is also likely a tool for windows
17:42.12novata_peleonahi...
17:42.21tuxmaninsidius: the service not up?
17:42.22liableblondie: you know you like it!
17:42.28blondieliable: indeed
17:42.29tuxmanops
17:42.34x0dusyeh I know there is a dvd image, but its a very big file and Id like to use the network install preferably :)
17:42.34Andrealiable: I do have udevd available..
17:42.37insidiusit is
17:42.46jlawmatt_: you are missing at least one needed component otherwise you would not get an VFS error
17:42.47x0dusi will do some more googling i guess, thanks for the help
17:42.48novata_peleonafor cvs login, user must be linux user yes?
17:42.49hobophobex0dus, there is MagicISO might work?
17:43.13tuxmaninsidius: ok i send my proftpd.conf in pvt.. pleased whait
17:43.19x0dusI'll give that a try
17:43.27hobophobehttp://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-features.htm
17:43.36matt_jlaw: Is is correct to say that I can't boot off a root partition with RAID+LVM without using some sort of initrd-type tool?
17:43.53matt_jlaw: I'll double check my configuration -- thanks, jlaw
17:44.00jlawmatt_: that's ok ... at least it works fine for me^^
17:44.12x0dusthanks hobophobe
17:44.25insidiusI threw some details in flood
17:44.25hobophobeno problem
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17:44.47jlawmatt_: i had the same problem with 2.6.16.16 basing on a previous config - but i can not remember what exactly was the clue
17:44.50hobophobenovata_peleona, I think you can CVS via cygwin?
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17:45.10h3sp4wnW: GPG error: ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge Release: Unknown error executing gpgv (anyone have an idea how to fix this - running debian sarge mipsel)
17:45.17matt_jlaw: Would you happen to have a copy of your .config so I could compare?
17:45.18hobophobe(I know you can svn via cygwin)
17:45.19jlawmatt_: you just have to compile in every component needed for accessing the hd
17:45.21novata_peleonahobophobe, my cliente is no gui debian. 133 MHz
17:45.35jlawk, wait a sec
17:45.35hobophobeyou should be able to, yes.
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17:45.40novata_peleonahobophobe, wanna say, i have no X windows
17:45.51jarryanyone understands the dns protocol?
17:46.01insidiusprotocol?
17:46.06jarryyea
17:46.08roob_Can anyone help me: I have a mail server (postfix) that's timing out from ruby when I want to send emails out from the server. How can I test sending a mail from the command line? I am logged in in SSH as root, I just need to send a test mail from command line to see what the server is doing
17:46.24semboyokei i found this tahoma.ttf and now where do i putt it :P
17:46.42hobophobenovata_peleona, you should be able to do it without xwindows, yes
17:46.43blondieroob_: mailx
17:46.49john_xzyxzyg++ report "multiple definition" error when link some .o files , what's the problem?
17:47.03hobophobesemboy what do you want to do with it?
17:47.04roob_blondie: cool, thanks, I'll try that
17:47.18insidiusI figured after 8 months of this i might actually be a little more knowledgable when it came to problems like this
17:47.55semboytry to play steam games
17:47.56liableinsidius: dont worry, you will always be a newb in some regard :)
17:47.56jlawmatt_: give me a minute ... can't make out were i saved it -.-
17:47.57semboy:)
17:48.00tuxmaninsidius: pvt
17:48.14hobophobehmm, you are using the transgaming cedega or what is it called?
17:48.19liablepffft??
17:48.25semboyhttp://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=1554 check this site and scroll down
17:48.29novata_peleonahobophobe, problem i have is:in server(cvs -d /usr/local/cvsroot init), client:export CVSROOT=:pserver:usuario@ip_server_cvs:/path, user client and user server are the same. When system ask me for password for same user. it allways fails.
17:48.32matt_jlaw: No worries, eh.  Thanks :-)
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17:49.15insidiusDo i pvt talk heh
17:49.15matt_jlaw: Hey... might have found it... I had ext3 compiled as a module :-(
17:49.19insidiusdont worry
17:49.44x0dusok I think its working
17:50.03x0dusbasically, I opened the ISO, padded it out with some random files so it goes over 700mb and can be saved as a DVD image
17:50.27x0duswill adding those files harm the image?
17:51.24jlawmatt_: lol ... told you there is something you forgot
17:51.48matt_jlaw: Yes... you were right :-
17:51.51matt_:-)
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17:52.22jlawmatt_: just found my conf. but i would have warned you to use it ... pushed out everything i do not explicitely need and implementet ntfs support and other experimentals
17:52.50jlawmatt_: so hav fun with your new kernel^^
17:52.54hobophobesemboy I believe what you need to do is to move the ttf font to /usr/share/fonts/ somewhere (look in it see if there's a truetype/ and look in there, to find the right place), and then you'll need to probably rebuild your font cache using fc-cache (if you use kde there's some kind of kde font installer that may automate the process)
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17:53.37semboythx
17:53.42semboybut hey
17:54.02semboyi found this -> can i add it to the source list    http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2005-October/069200.html ?
17:54.07jlawi'm away for a cigaret
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17:54.10jlaw!magic smoke
17:54.11dpkgDid you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working.
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17:55.04hobophobesemboy you can install the msttcorefonts package, if that is what you mean?
17:55.14semboyaha
17:55.19semboyit has this stuff i wany
17:55.22semboywant
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17:55.39semboyI've added Tahoma TTF fonts to the x11-fonts/webfonts port by the same way, i.e. for those who have the license.
17:55.50semboyTahoma TTF :)
17:56.00Shadowcatspeaking of fonts
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17:56.12gravityI'm already working on fonts
17:56.18Shadowcatsome fonts point to the new font location, while others point to the old one
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17:56.25dpkgDid you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working.
17:56.26roob_I get these errors in my mail log. It's not easy to say what the problem is is it? May 21 18:52:4 postfix/smtpd[21719]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1]; May 21 18:52:4 postfix/smtpd[21719]: lost connection after CONNECT from localhost[127.0.0.1]
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17:56.41feddyAnybody an idea on how to fix this problem: fsockopen(): php_stream_sock_ssl_activate_with_method: failed to create an SSL context in ...
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17:57.11feddyI use openssl0.9.8b-2 and php4-4.4.2-1
17:57.35gravityShadowcat: What do you mean?
17:57.40gravity"point"?
17:58.19hobophobesem I'm not registered so I can't send privmsg sorry
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17:58.46insidiusOk i found out my ftp problem and fixed it with the following. --disable-sendfile. It would seem that there is a problem with sendfile for some reason
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17:59.08Shadowcathold on
17:59.48insidiusI feel happy now!
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18:00.34tetheadanyone know how to fix the amavisd-new config files?
18:00.55Vasisthahobophobe: it's super-easy to register. just /msg nickserv register 123password123
18:00.55Supaplexin sarge?
18:01.39Supaplextethead: what do you mean by fix? are you using sarge?
18:01.47hobophobeVasistha, well I'm from a IRC network where we never had nick registration :o) Guess I'm old-fashioned hehe
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18:02.16Varangerhello
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18:03.08VarangerI have installed NFS in Sarge (apt-get install nfs-kernel-server), then I edited /etc/exports  and ran: exportfs -ra
18:03.13Vasisthahobophobe: perhaps.  I'm simply new to irc, I tried it several times in the last ten years but could never get into it until I discovered freenode last week
18:03.20VarangerBut I can't mount the share in the client
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18:03.30Supaplexhow can I invoke screen to run new instances of commands from the shell?  Eg, attach to session, create new window, run foo, repeat. all w/o using hotkeys
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18:03.39Varangerit says: mount: RPC: Program not registered
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18:04.06hobophobeVasistha, ah.. I've actually been using IRC for ten years now :oP
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18:04.30SupaplexVaranger is one poor deprived child :P
18:04.36VasisthaSupaplex: I'm not sure exactly what you want, bit I might be able to help you... could you give a more specific example?
18:04.42Vasisthas/bit/but
18:04.56VarangerSupaplex: Maybe...
18:05.19tetheadSupaplex: no, using testing
18:05.26SupaplexI have 7 cdrw drives, and I'd like to burn each cd in its own screen window (maybe with logging -L)
18:05.31VarangerSupaplex: But you can also help me instead of just make fun of me
18:05.35Supaplextethead: what's bts say about it?
18:05.43tetheadno idea
18:05.51SupaplexVaranger: I was sympathising actually.
18:05.58tetheadthere old config files are not compatible with the new version
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18:06.06semboyLocate Section "Monitor" and add the following lines before EndSection:
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18:06.07tetheadand i don't see what has to be changed
18:06.08VarangerSupaplex: ohh sorry...
18:06.10semboy<PROTECTED>
18:06.14semboyCode:
18:06.18semboy#       DisplaySize     270     203     # 1024x768 96dpi
18:06.22semboy#       DisplaySize     338     254     # 1280x960 96dpi
18:06.23semboy#       DisplaySize     338     270     # 1280x1024 96dpi
18:06.23semboy#       DisplaySize     370     277     # 1400x1050 96dpi
18:06.23semboy#       DisplaySize     423     370     # 1600x1400 96dpi
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18:06.24Vasistha!paste
18:06.24dpkgDo not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/
18:06.35Vasistha!tell semboy about paste
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18:06.54FremWhat is "the Debian way" of changing a computer's hostname? I just entered it into a dialog box when I installed, is there a way to get back to that dialog box with dpkg-reconfigure or something?
18:06.55hobophobehmm
18:07.03VasisthaFrem: /etc/hostname
18:07.04SupaplexVaranger: that error message should be all over google.  I know last time I fiddled with nfs, I found answers there. :)
18:07.05hobophobebut being able to privmsg is a good thing I guess
18:07.48SupaplexFrem: man hostname (runtime) ; /etc/hostname (persistant)
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18:07.57VasisthaSupaplex: let's see... so you are issuing a command line program that is going to be monitoring all seven at once, or you are issuing seven commands that will run a similar program 7 times, concurrently?
18:08.20SupaplexVasistha: the latter
18:08.25PietVasistha: IIRC dpkg-reconfigure base-config does it
18:08.31FremVasistha, tried that. When I try to smbmount a machine that has the old hostname, it tries to connect to itself.
18:08.45PietVasistha: sorry that was for Frem
18:08.48Vasisthafrem: listen to Piet ;-)
18:09.08FremPiet, thank you.
18:09.12SupaplexVasistha: normally I'd just fork them off,  but they all clobber the same display. makes it hard to figure out what instance is doing what.  I know I did this once before to.
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18:09.48VasisthaSupaplex: yeah, I'm thinking what you need to do is somehow add xterm into the mix
18:09.51Supaplexmaybe I'll just run them as seperate sessions, not windows.
18:10.17Supaplexthat box has no X :)
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18:10.24semboylol it was wrong CHannel -i am sorry ;whoosssssh
18:10.30secherHeyas
18:10.30VasisthaSupaplex: ooooohhhh!!
18:10.46BentHELP on ifup i get message could not read /etc/network/interfaces - misplaced option ; but my interface file looks fine
18:11.00VasisthaSupaplex: what about just using the bg command
18:11.19secherCan I pass a module path to the kernel/depmod via the lilo kernel selection screen?  Seems I got my module paths mixed up when I edited lilo.conf.
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18:12.29apokryphosis there any way I can scan the local network for other linux boxes? Curious.
18:12.40VasisthaSupaplex: the other thought that comes to mind is have them each redirect output to a different log, and then tail -f each one when you want it
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18:13.40Vasisthaapokryphos: which network?  Do you control the network?  Is it, say, a university environment with lots of windows boxes, and you're just curious if someone else is *nix-ing?
18:14.04edison04Help, someone use artsd ?
18:14.20apokryphosVasistha: mostly, though mainly a bit lazy at the moment -- my friend doesn't know their IP, and their room isn't that close :P
18:14.23Vasistha!ask
18:14.33dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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18:15.13Vasisthaapokryphos: they need their IP in order to e.g. ssh into their box?
18:15.22apokryphosVasistha: exactly
18:15.36Vasisthaapokryphos: is this a one-time just-today problem, or a problem in general?
18:15.44Shadowcatso nmap a subnet and figure out what's running on port 22
18:15.45FremPiet: dpkg-reconfigure base-config dosen't throw up any dialog screens.
18:15.46Shadowcatproblem solved
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18:16.02ShadowcatI mean you'll probably piss a lot of people off
18:16.04semboy!tell semboy about !paste
18:16.05apokryphosVasistha: it's come up a few times. Generally I get their IP from my apache logs when they tell me something they got recently off the server I run, but can't now
18:16.13Shadowcatbut oh well
18:16.21semboy!tell semboy about paste
18:16.21Vasisthaapokryphos: Shadowcat has an answer that can work -- nmap -- but it could piss people off.
18:16.33Vasisthasemboy: just /msg dpkg paste
18:16.45semboyok sorry
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18:17.04apokryphosVasistha: I don't want to cause trouble for others 8)
18:17.39Vasisthaapokryphos: well, I don't have a solution for today, but what your friend ought to do is sign up with some kind of DDNS service, or else hack one himself
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18:17.49apokryphosok
18:17.52Vasisthaapokryphos: and when I say "hack" I mean "put together" or "program"
18:18.01apokryphosheh
18:18.07Vasisthaapokryphos: I may know of a service that you can use free at the moment, shall I look it up?
18:18.07apokryphosnot likely, but nevermind =)
18:18.10apokryphosthanks for the help anyhow
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18:19.07apokryphosVasistha: it does come up a few times, so that'd be great if it wasn't too much trouble =)
18:19.12Benti have a problem with ifup on debian sarge
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18:20.01PietFrem: then dpkg isn't configured to use this interface and you need to reconfigure dpkg to use the dialog frontend first
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18:20.18PietFrem: do you get any output at all?
18:20.27insidiusfinnaly done
18:20.28insidiustphew
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18:20.39bizkiti'm active on a certain community page which uses some subdomains for annoying stuff i would like to kick off. so i added the line '127.0.0.1 subdomain_which_is_source_of_crap.domain.tld' to /etc/hosts and did a /etc/init.d/dns-clean, however a 'host subdomain_which_is_source_of_crap.domain.tld' gives me the real ip so i think firefox is still getting its stuff from there. any ideas to permanently ban some subdomains?
18:21.18insidiusI have backed up over 200 websites, 30 databases, editing all the dns files to make mx changes etc and backed up our php front end
18:21.23FremPeit: no output whatsoever, though the disk grinds a bit
18:21.28insidiusgod what a night
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18:21.50cr3in a debian package, there is a control file which contains a "section". how can I obtain an exhaustive list of sections?
18:21.56Vasisthaapokryphos: this is definitely not kosher -- I know about it because I helped a friend who owns a toshiba web cam.  But toshiba had a major problem and got a deal with this company, so you can have free ddns, but you have to renew it every 90 days.  You're supposed to be a camera customer... http://www.changeip.com/toshiba/
18:22.05insidiusnot bad for a noob like me!
18:22.05secherOk, when I edited lilo.conf, somehow the system map is pointing to the modules for the wrong kernel.  So, now when I boot, when the kernel tries to load the modules, it can't find them and I''m booted into busybox.  Is there a way I can tell teh kernel to look in /blah/dir/here/ for the modules instead of where it thinks it should look? Can I pass some arg via lilo?  I looked at the man page but did not see anything there to be of assistance.  Anyone have i
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18:23.04FremPiet, I edited a bunch of hostname files and it seems to have fixed it. never mind.
18:23.18apokryphosVasistha: thanks 8)
18:23.23efaistoshi
18:23.31PietFrem: "a bunch of"? how many do you have there?
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18:23.39Vasisthaapokryphos: welcome.  on second that   Iooprbablyshuld have PM'd that to you. oh well.
18:24.02Vasisthaapokryphos: welcome.  on second thought  I probably should have PM'd that to you. oh well.
18:24.02apokryphos=)
18:24.03FremPiet, Ok, two. And used the hostname command and rebooted.
18:24.03efaistosdoes someone have an epson AcuLaser C1100 ? I can't use it anymore but everything seems okay in cups
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18:25.12Vasisthaapokryphos: you'll still have to set up a service to periodically upload the message to the ddns server
18:25.47Vasisthacr3: have you looked at packages.debian.org ?
18:26.29cr3Vasistha: nope, but that's an excellent suggestion. thanks.
18:26.43BigBuddhaCould someone remind me what the command is for checking disk space?
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18:27.03valdyn!df
18:27.03dpkgmethinks df is used to report filesystem disk space usage.
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18:27.27sigjuicewhere on debian.org are the instructions on installing unstable?
18:27.28BigBuddhadpkg: Yep thanks
18:27.34BigBuddhavaldyn: thanks
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18:29.13PhenfiXHola, ¿alguien puede decirme si aqui hay soporte en español?
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18:29.22gravity!es
18:29.22dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:29.36PhenfiXGracias
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18:30.25secherI don't think this counts as a repost, I hope, but I'm really out of the H2O here.  I'm booted to 2.6.16 kernel in busybox on a system that is normally a Sid system.  How can I tell busybox to mount the HD so I can fix the predicamnt I've gotten myself into?
18:30.57sigjuicesecher, what is the problem?
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18:32.21secherSigjuice: somehow, near as I can tell, I have lilo.conf pointing to /lib/modules/2.6.14 for my 2.6.16 kernel, and vice versa, so wneh I boot, the kernel cannot find it's modules, and dumps me into busybox.
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18:33.18sigjuicesecher: what does ls -l /dev/hd* say?
18:33.22crazy_penguinevening!
18:33.40sechersigjuice: NSFD
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18:34.07sigjuicesecher: NFSD? what does that mean?
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18:34.17secherNo Such File of Directory
18:34.34sechers/of/or/g
18:34.35sigjuicesecher: okay.  try modprobe ide-disk
18:34.37zinxsecher: lilo doesn't point to the module directory
18:34.49enycsecher: I didit think lilo/grub noods oto know where modules are
18:35.08zinxsecher: modprobe/insmod figure it out by the kernel revision
18:35.28sechersigjuice: couold not load /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/modules.dep: NSFD
18:35.49secherzinx: it does indirectly via the system.map
18:35.53enycsecher: HOWEVER... tho root= filesystem given to the kernel ...... is bad...
18:35.54sigjuicesecher: try find /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686|grep ide
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18:36.18|{urseyanyone tell me why im getting a "child exited on signal 15 " notice? i just updated cups. and i'm totally lost
18:36.23enycsecher: erm... wlell needs to point to the filesystem that has lib/modules/[kernel modules on it
18:36.53hobophobe|{ursey, when do you get that?
18:36.53sechersigjuice the onle modulse dir is /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686.  I somehow got my system maps crossed I think.
18:37.03|{urseyat cupsd in the console
18:37.09|{urseywhen i try to start
18:37.18enyc|{ursey: hrrm is cupsd running at all?
18:37.18sigjuicesecher: this looks like a problem with your ramdisk
18:37.22|{urseynope
18:37.23hobophobetry /etc/init.d/cupsys start I think
18:37.25|{urseynothin
18:37.39|{urseyk thx ill try tht
18:37.42enyc|{ursey: try  /etc/init.d/cupsys stop  *anD* check to see if it is in processes anywhere
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18:38.13enyc|{ursey: *then* start it using '/etc/init.d/cupsys start' first
18:38.13sigjuicesecher: if you can boot using another kernel, you could the following command might fix it. dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.16-1-686
18:38.25KetShow can i do to autoload a module with some options??
18:38.40sigjuicesecher: if you can boot using another kernel, the following command might fix it. dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.16-1-686
18:38.46sigjuiceI gotta go
18:38.48jlawps ax
18:38.55enycKetS: this depends on if you are using modutils or module-init-tools
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18:39.01jlaw-.- i'm faster in typing than in thinking -.-
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18:39.36KetSenyc well i have both installed...
18:39.56enycKetS:hrrm you should only have one
18:40.06enycKetS: what kernel you using?
18:40.13KetSenyc 2.6.14
18:40.25sechersigjuice: I know lilo is at least looking at the kernel, cause it's booting 2.6.16, rather than 2.6.14 which is my "backup" kernel.  When I boot the backup kernel, it's looking for /lib/modules/2.6.16/.  Somehow they got crossed
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18:40.53munzirHi, how can i remove a package like cman that gives errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14401
18:40.56enycsecher:  this is likely a mess with symlinks /vmlinuz etc.
18:41.07enycsecher: use 'uname -a' to check actual version running
18:41.28enycsecher: you might find life easier (eventually) with grub ;-)
18:41.40enycKetS: right... erm
18:41.44Supaplexcrap. I'm a -dummy because I forgot to use -dummy and I knew cdrecord or a driver/device might bail.
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18:41.53Shadowcatmunzir: this is not #ubuntu
18:41.59secherenyc: 2.6.16-1-686
18:41.59enycKetS: made sure module-init-tools is installed and modutils not installed
18:42.18enycsecher: sounds likeu backports.org kernel
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18:42.49munzirShadowcat: this question is not related to ubuntu!
18:43.05basti_hi folks. I appear to have excluded myself from the audio group
18:43.05Shadowcatmunzir: it doesn't matter, you're running ubuntu, which is NOT supported in here
18:43.10Shadowcatso ask somewhere else
18:43.14enycKetS: you will need the bare names of the modules you want loaded in /etc/modules ...
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18:43.26Shadowcatwe're not here to deal with ubuntu's packages
18:43.28KetSenyc yep, done, i'm reading the man and all seems to be right
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18:43.51enycKetS: you want the options in a file....
18:43.51basti_i tried to put myself back by editing /etc/groups, but it doesnt appear to work
18:43.59enycKetS: if the module was 'ne' then....
18:44.01basti_can i somehow reload the settings from /etc/groups?
18:44.07secherenyc: I can fix this mmyself if I could just mout a fscking drive.  But there're no /dev/hd?? files in /dev... do you know how I can tell busybox to mount a drive in some other fashion.
18:44.11Misogynistbasti_, log out and log back in
18:44.12pohwhen I try startx, I get (EE) Failed to load module "i830" (module does not exist, 0)
18:44.27Shadowcatpoh: ya, so fix it
18:44.28enycKetS: /etc/modprobe.d/ne contains 'options ne io=0x340 irq=10'
18:44.31pohbut when I look in my /etc/modules, the module is there
18:44.33MisogynistOtherwise, run pw usermod -G to change your extra groups
18:44.38basti_Misogynist: thats what i wanted to avoid, cos i have lots of open windows etc.
18:44.42enycKetS: in addition to having 'ne' in /etc/modules
18:44.44Shadowcatpoh: no, i830 is not an X module
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18:44.59pohoh, thanks
18:45.06MisogynistWhat's a nice, lightweight ftpd? I'm used to Pure-FTPd, but it's way overkill here.
18:45.11munzirShadowcat: I hope this is the not the way debian people treat generic questions just because an ubuntu pastebin is used. I hope this is a personal attitude from you only
18:45.12KetSenyc thanks i was trying to load the option in modprobe.conf (seems to be the old way)
18:45.32enycKetS: this is tnhe new module-init-tools way -- it will NOT work if you have the modules.conf/modprobe.conf file ;-) iirc q;-)
18:45.34Shadowcatmunzir: no, you're obviously running ubuntu, which means that you're in the WRONG channel
18:45.35wedgeMisogynist: simply using sftp is nice ;)
18:45.35Shadowcatit's that simple
18:45.41Shadowcatwe don't support ubuntu in here
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18:45.46gravitymunzir: You have a buggy package. I'd report a bug against it
18:45.52enycSEcki: use a livecd like KNOPPIX ;-)
18:45.53gravitymunzir: If it's an ubuntu package, report it to ubuntu
18:46.00Misogynistwedge: There's a distinct lack of good SCP clients for Windows, or I'd be using that
18:46.02basti_so there's no possibility to load /etc/groups while i'm logged in?
18:46.10Shadowcatbasti_: reboot
18:46.15basti_...
18:46.16enycMisogynist: FileZilla works well
18:46.19|{urseysorry i was on the phone no cupsd as user gets me an exit with status 1 and cupsd as root gets me a signal 15, cups is not running at all and is not in use
18:46.21ShadowcatMisogynist: lies
18:46.22gravitymunzir: And that's definitely an ubuntu-specific question because your bug may well only exist in Ubuntu, not Debian
18:46.33|{urseyworked fine til i updated
18:46.39Shadowcateither way, you should be asking in #ubuntu, NOT here
18:46.50Shadowcatit's not our job to troublesort every .deb out there
18:46.51enyc|{ursey: how did you update?? ito package in testing/unstable ??
18:47.03|{urseyno latset stable release
18:47.08Shadowcatespecially when it's not a debian package to begin with
18:47.15basti_so thanks for this demonstration of 1960's OS attitude.
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18:47.20enyc|{ursey: (sarge)
18:47.23|{urseyyeah
18:47.31ShadowcatSunday trolls
18:47.50munzirgravity: my point is not to that specific package. my point is how to remove a broken package if it exist in debian or ubuntu or whatever, or is it that debian never have broken packages?
18:47.56enyc|{ursey: Im sorry im not an expert en this sort of thing... youd need to try running it manually in nodaemon verbose sort of mode... and see what errors appear
18:48.06gravitymunzir: The answer to your question is "Fix the broken package"
18:48.16gravitymunzir: There are other, less optimal answers, but that's the right one
18:48.20|{urseyk cool im thankful for any ideas... google has failed me on this one
18:48.20|{urseylol
18:48.24Shadowcatmunzir: the point is that you should be asking in #ubuntu since you're obviously running that
18:48.31Misogynistdpkg is exiting because the pre-removal script in the package doesn't work
18:48.31gravitymunzir: As such, if you're running an Ubuntu package, you want to fix what's broken in Ubuntu
18:48.35MisogynistIt's not an issue with apt/dpkg
18:48.43Shadowcatapt exists for .deb and .rpm
18:48.54gravitymunzir: Does that make sense?
18:48.54Shadowcatwe can't be responsible for all apt problems
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18:49.26munzirgravity: it makes sense if there is no way to remove a broken package by force without fixing it.
18:49.37MisogynistI get the very distinct impression that this would be less of an utter PR failure on the part of this channel if you did a better job explaining why it's not your problem as opposed to "this is the way it is."
18:49.41valdynmunzir: exactly that is how it is
18:49.43Shadowcatand he still isn't getting it
18:49.45gravitymunzir: You can force it, but you'd be stupid to do so
18:49.52gravitymunzir: If you want to be stupid, please go elsewhere
18:50.04Shadowcatgravity: my guess is that there's no one in #ubuntu who knows apt/dpkg well enough
18:50.09Shadowcator he wouldn't be arguing with us
18:50.23Shadowcatwell... no one right now anyway
18:50.28valdynmunzir: have you checked ubuntu's bts yet?
18:50.34enycI have in teh past read through a prerem script etc....
18:50.54enycand... commonted etc. to make it pass.. and cleaned-up manually
18:51.08munzirgravity: I am not stupid and I want to remove it by force and you are free not to help on this without cursing me
18:51.18Shadowcatmunzir: man dpkg
18:51.19munzirvaldyn: bts?
18:51.20Shadowcatstart reading
18:51.20gravitymunzir: I've given you the correct answer
18:51.26Misogynistmunzir: Are you running a different kernel version than when you installed this?
18:51.31valdynmunzir: bug tracking system
18:51.36ShadowcatMisogynist: he's not running debian to begin with
18:51.38Shadowcathe's running ubuntu
18:51.41munzirMisogynist: yes
18:51.42MisogynistShadowcat: That's great
18:51.43valdynmunzir: ask #ubuntu about it, i only know about debian's bts
18:51.47Shadowcatwhich makes this "not our problem"
18:51.50MisogynistBoot back into the original kernel and try to remove it, if possible
18:52.03MisogynistIt's not finding a module which was installed for that kernel
18:52.04munzirvaldyn: I will report it but the problem now I can't update or do anything without fixing this issue
18:52.17munzirvaldyn: what bts stands for?
18:52.27valdynmunzir: bug tracking system
18:52.31Shadowcatsigh
18:52.37munzirvaldyn: ah!
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18:53.02bizkitis there a tool like icecream for shoutcast streams which can dump mms:// audio streams into files?
18:53.21munzirbizkit: may be vlc
18:53.34valdynbizkit: someplayer, mplayer maybe
18:53.38MisogynistI'm fairly sure MPlayer can as well
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18:53.42valdynbizkit: err *somaplayer*
18:53.49MisogynistBeaten, eh :o
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18:54.11bizkitthanks, i'll ask on #mplayer and try somaplayer if this doesn't work
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18:56.13Miescobizkit:  Yea
18:56.17CArlahola
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18:56.23CArlahello
18:56.36MisogynistI disappove of redundant salutations
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18:57.31Miescobizkit:  mimms
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18:59.05KaiDoghi folks
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19:00.10calleedoes anyone know a statistic webalizer?
19:00.13MisogynistAnyway, the problem I have with FileZilla for SCP is that it can't use asymmetric key encryption and I don't want to give this passworded account a login shell
19:00.17MisogynistWhich wouldn't be necessary with FTP
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19:00.43Misogynistcallee: AWStats is nice
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19:01.22Denmaethhow do i find out if DCOP is running
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19:01.52Misogynistps aux | grep dcopserver
19:02.01Denmaeththank you Misogynist
19:02.25KaiDoghi everyone. I have a linksys WRT 54G wireless cable router. I'm wondering if I can use it on my computer when I boot it with Debian.
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19:02.41calleeMisogynist: can it handle sensors?
19:02.54MisogynistSensors?
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19:03.05calleebecause i want to use it for visualizing cpu load, traffic and temperature of my server
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19:03.43|{urseyI get the following message in the logs /var/log/cups/error_log :
19:03.43|{urseyI [19/May/2006:12:08:02 +0200] Loaded configuration file
19:03.43|{ursey"/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
19:03.43|{urseyX [19/May/2006:12:08:02 +0200] No valid Listen or Port lines were found
19:03.43|{urseyin the configuration file!
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19:04.03|{urseysrry 4 the flood
19:04.05Misogynistcallee, look into Net-SNMP and Cacti
19:04.14chealerKaiDog: I'm not sure I understand you right. you installed Debian on a WRT54G?
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19:04.30MisogynistIn addition to AWStats for traffic if you want anything more detailed than interface statistics
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19:04.52echnatonTesting has the worst security update speed compared to stable and unstable. Don't prefer testing if security is a concern. (is this still valid after 2005-06-06?)
19:04.52chealerKaiDog: oh, when you boot "your computer" with Debian, OK. what usage do you have in mind?
19:04.52MisogynistCacti requires PHP4, AWStats is a Perl CGI
19:04.55KaiDogchealer - no, but i'm new to wireless so I'm not even sure what it means to install something on my router.
19:04.59pohKaiDog: no problem, it has a web interface.  it may work with konqueror depending on the version, and it will work with firefox
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19:05.22calleeKaiDog: you are probably very wrong here
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19:05.39chealerKaiDog: you can flash a different firmware, such as Freeman on a WRT54G[L]
19:05.40lir_to exec a command when gdm starts (waiting for the login info) should i add the command details to /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession or is it somewhere else?
19:05.55calleeKaiDog: try #openwrt instead
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19:06.13KaiDogchealer - I have a room mate and he connects to the internet via my wireless router. I want to continue using it for internet access when I boot up my computer on Debian (I'm going to duel boot my computer between XP and Debian)
19:06.28KaiDogcallee - yes, I've been looking at openwrt.org as well
19:06.37KaiDogI also looked at kismet but it's a sniffer
19:07.02chealerechnaton: I don't think you'll find statistics about that. IMHO, if it's the worst, it's not by much
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19:07.11|{urseyokay i think i found the fix i have to "uncomment" something in the cupsd.conf, so now all i need to know is how do i uncomment? i'm a total n00b pls bear with me
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19:07.31thingfish|{ursey: take the # away.
19:07.33|{urseyk killer thx
19:07.50semboyOPTIONAL - If you own a licensed copy of Windows you may also add Tahoma which is not present in msttcorefonts. You can install it in your home directory by simply copying it into ~/.fonts           "HOW can i copy from the windows" please help me how do i copy this stuff to my  ~/.fonts
19:07.51thingfishthe one that starts the line, that is.
19:08.00pohquit
19:08.08|{urseyyeah i figure that thx again
19:08.08blondiepoh: no
19:08.18pohblondie: yeah I got it
19:08.18KaiDoghey everyone, thanks for your help, I think I can probably figure it out from here!
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19:08.31chealerKaiDog: I don't understand what you mean. why would it be an issue to continue using your router when you boot a different computer on Debian?
19:08.54thingfishsemboy: is windows on the same box as your debian install?
19:08.56KaiDogchealer - I think that reveals more of my ignorance than anything :P
19:09.14semboyi have it duel-boot
19:09.14chealerKaiDog: hm, OK
19:09.28semboyi have it duel-boot linux&windows
19:09.37blondieduel-boot? do they fight each other to run?
19:09.39thingfishsemboy: then all you have to do is define the partition in /etc/fstab, mount it, and copy away.
19:09.41thingfishhehe
19:09.47KaiDogchealer - I'm very new to networking and even newer to linux, so I'm starting to figure it all out slowly
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19:09.57thingfishsemboy: is the partition ntfs?
19:10.05semboyi have grub
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19:10.13semboyi use grub
19:10.17semboyyeah ntfs
19:10.18blondiesemboy: irrelevent
19:10.32blondieI eat grapes
19:10.46semboyk
19:10.49nsei love grub
19:10.50matiasHOLAA
19:10.53KaiDogI downloaded Knoppix and booted it from my DVD drive not too long ago just to see what linux was like and I loved it! So I decided to install debian on this computer.
19:10.54matiasBUENAS GENTE
19:10.55nse!es
19:10.55dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:10.56blondiematias: HI!!!!!!!
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19:11.01thingfishsemboy: look at /etc/fstab, and see if you can figure it out yourself.  It's really not too hard.  If you have trouble, ask in here.
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19:11.22semboythingfish
19:11.27semboycan i msg you?
19:11.28chealerKaiDog: nice :)
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19:11.33semboyprivate msg
19:11.47thingfishsemboy: no, they prefer people keep things in channel.
19:11.59semboyok
19:12.08semboyso what do i in konsole?
19:12.23matiashi blondie
19:12.24semboysudo /etc/fstab ?
19:12.35thingfishsemboy: su to root, then probably nano /etc/fstab
19:12.44thingfishnano is easy to use.
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19:13.04semboyok than
19:13.05semboy?
19:13.15nseKaiDog: if you have no problems with a lack of games, soon you will be willing to remove windows for more free space
19:13.15semboy:s it is my first time
19:13.29semboyin linux
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19:13.36semboyworld :D
19:13.40matiashola _rene_
19:13.45echnatonTesting is more insecure as unstable?
19:13.51thingfishyou see how it has a column for the device/partition name, then a mount point, then file type, then settings, then 0  0.
19:14.08nseechnaton: testing is more secure than unstable
19:14.23semboycan i send you paste you on a website
19:14.28chealerechnaton: most likely, yes, if you ignore packages only in unstable
19:14.29semboyso you can see whatt i see
19:14.44nsesemboy: you will learn a lot if you type 'man fstab' in the console
19:14.45thingfishsemboy: fdisk -l will help you figure out which partition is your ntfs one.
19:14.46echnatonaha
19:14.48KaiDognse - I'm probably going to get a bigger hard drive in the future anyway
19:15.13semboyok
19:15.13HoNgOuRuhow do I configure xorg ?
19:15.20echnatonX -configure Holborn
19:15.24echnatonHoNgOuRu, sorry
19:15.25HoNgOuRuok
19:15.29HoNgOuRuoh...
19:15.29echnatonits automated
19:15.38thingfish!drxx
19:15.38dpkgi heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.
19:16.10semboy!tell smoke
19:16.21HoNgOuRuthanx!
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19:18.14tarzeau!popcon
19:18.15dpkgwell, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
19:18.15cr4yhey why do all daily builds of the testing/unstable branch have 486 kernel?
19:18.22simonrvnthingfish: http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/News/NewsEntry92
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19:20.41thingfishhey simonrvn
19:20.46chealercr4y: they shouldn't. if non-i386 builds have these, it should be a bug
19:20.55simonrvnthingfish: hi
19:21.39semboy<PROTECTED>
19:22.27thingfishsemboy: what does fdisk -l print out?
19:23.53thingfish!paster
19:23.54dpkgInstead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.  Afterwards, give us the resulting url.
19:24.02thingfishsemboy: ^^
19:24.24thingfishoh nm
19:24.30thingfishheh you already know about that.
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19:25.23semboyhmm
19:25.46semboyui cant enter nothing
19:25.49semboy;(
19:25.52thingfishsimonrvn: seems encouraging maybe...
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19:26.00semboyi cant see where to enter this ?
19:26.10thingfishsemboy: open a terminal?
19:26.19semboyanother terminal?
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19:26.49thingfishyes
19:26.52simonrvnthingfish: it's a step in a positive direction. we'll see far they go on that road. you know me, "hope for the best, prepare for the worst"
19:27.05thingfishsimonrvn: yeah, especially given history.
19:27.13simonrvn;
19:27.15simonrvn)
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19:27.57lolownikhow to apt-get install skype ? it cannot find package. Aptitude neither. What should I do?
19:28.04semboysemboy@SigurNafnjesu:~$ fdisk -l
19:28.05semboysemboy@SigurNafnjesu:~$
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19:28.11semboyi dont get output
19:28.12semboy;S
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19:28.17KaiDogwow, I didn't know this was possible: "S/390 servers can be partitioned and run different operating systems - separated from each other - at the same time."
19:28.19thingfishsemboy: su to root.
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19:29.20semboyok
19:29.37semboythan what?
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19:31.26tarzeausemboy: that's a known bug
19:31.26tarzeaucheck BTS
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19:31.26semboythingfish i will send you the paste
19:31.27semboyhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/2597
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19:32.03thingfishsemboy: ok, so you see your partition is /dev/hda1
19:32.16semboyok
19:32.18thingfishsemboy: so put that at the beginning of a new line in /etc/fstab
19:32.51semboyput what ;S
19:33.10thingfishsemboy: /dev/hda1
19:33.18semboyin konsole :D?
19:33.37thingfishI don't care how, you had the file open a while ago.
19:33.45pinucsetsomebody knows when will xgl and compiz be in unstable? thanks :)
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19:34.06semboy;(
19:34.14|lostbyte|I want to reconfigure a package i installed and replace the changes in made to default, How ?
19:34.15thingfishsemboy: that's what you're doing with nano and /etc/fstab open - ready to edit the file.
19:34.42semboyroot@SigurNafnjesu:~# /dev/hda1
19:34.43semboy-su: /dev/hda1: Permission denied
19:34.45semboy;(
19:35.29KaiDogI'm very impressed with the whole linux online community. The more I learn about it the more impressed I am.
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19:35.54AzianFlusemboy, thats not what he said
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19:36.23tarzeau!qotd0
19:36.23dpkg<florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable?   <greycat> sound?  *faster*?   <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks?
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19:37.20killownlinux better goes to be how much it will have games as windows has
19:37.43vin`killown: ENOPARSE
19:38.00killownlinux better goes to be when it will have games as windows has *******
19:38.11blondiekillown: please speak English
19:38.16KaiDoghttp://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/
19:39.04KaiDoghttp://www.blender3d.org/cms/Home.2.0.html
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19:39.43vin`|lostbyte|: reinstall the package?
19:40.08killownwith load Modules Xorg in Xfree 3.3.6 Server XF86_SVGA ?
19:40.26vin`is it a bot?
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19:40.46blondieI've heard bots that make more sense than killown
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19:41.27jlaw!tell killown -about language
19:41.50blondie!tell me -about language
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19:42.04sepski!tell blondie about msg
19:42.08killownhow  load Modules Xorg in Xfree 3.3.6 Server XF86_SVGA ?
19:42.10jlawrofl
19:42.34blondie!tell sepski about msg
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19:42.37cr3how can I search for all binary files (elf) in a directory and call strip on them?
19:42.54irenalocate
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19:43.15azeemcr3: maybe with file (or objdump?), grep and strip
19:43.20Blissexcr3: use 'file', then 'grep', then 'cut', then 'xargs strip' (as a pipeline)
19:43.23formorerfind ; file ; grep ; stip
19:43.26formorereh strip
19:43.53cr3I was thinking something along those lines, but calling file on each file will probably take quite some time. if that's the way to go, so be it :)
19:44.09azeemI think file is pretty clever about this
19:44.22formorerfile just looks at the first few bytes
19:44.26azeemit only reads in the first few bytes and figures out the magic
19:44.38metelliusare there anyone here who's using the newest ATI fglrx-driver? (8.24.8) I'm curious about what version of xorg you have.
19:44.45KaiDogthanks for all your help folks, you'll be seeing me again sometime
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19:45.42tarzeauazeem: but some filemagics are relative to the end of a file or in the middle of it somewhere
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19:48.02libertad0buenas
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19:48.44libertad0disculpen hace poco luego de hacer upgrade me muestra este error y virtualmente no me deja desinstalar o instalar algun paquete, observen http://pastebin.com/730049
19:48.51gravity!es
19:48.51dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:49.29libertad0Hi channel
19:49.47libertad0Please I can't install or unistall any package, please help me >>>  disculpen hace poco luego de hacer upgrade me muestra este error y virtualmente no me deja desinstalar o instalar algun paquete, observen http://pastebin.com/730049
19:49.54libertad0Sorry
19:49.56libertad0Here http://pastebin.com/730049
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19:51.24goronWhat's the name of a package with a vnc client in it?
19:51.32libertad0thanx
19:51.37libertad0please help me
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19:51.47metelliusis there anyone here who's using the newest ATI fglrx-driver? (8.24.8) I'm curious about what version of xorg you have.
19:52.04jlawlibertad0: since when do you encounter this problem?
19:52.09valdynlibertad0: boot a 2.6.x debian kernel and try again or fix the script
19:52.10|lostbyte|vin`: oh .. ok.. any other way ?
19:52.31valdynlibertad0:  uname -r
19:52.41libertad0jlaw, valdyn I was upgrading my system when that error was showing
19:53.01goronGot it.
19:53.05libertad0valdyn, 2.6.16-1-686
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19:53.11vin`|lostbyte|: purge the package and reinstall.
19:53.22valdynlibertad0: try 'modprobe toshiba-acpi'
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19:53.25bizkiti need to decode an ASF file into WAV, how can i do this? i tried mplayer -dumpaudio but the generated file is just data and cannot be played anymore
19:53.31valdynlibertad0: im not sure how that module is called though
19:53.31jlawliberad0: while or after updating?
19:53.37vin`|lostbyte|: wheere exactly are you stuck? error message?
19:53.45denmaethHELP i screwed up my dhclient - ifup coulnt read /etc/network/interfases file - misplaced option ; but interface file looks fine. any ideas?
19:53.52calleeif i have a command in bash
19:53.55libertad0jlaw, after
19:53.58libertad0valdyn, mark1:/home/wilfredor# modprobe toshiba-acp
19:53.58libertad0FATAL: Module toshiba_acp not found.
19:54.09calleehow can i execute a variable as a command
19:54.26calleeCOMMAND="hddtemp /dev/hda|sed -e 's/^\/dev.*: \([^ ]*\).*/\1/' -e 's/°C//'"
19:54.28valdynlibertad0: 1) i said toshiba-acpi 2) i said im not sure how that module is called
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19:54.44calleenow i want to execute $COMMAND and it gives me an error
19:54.46valdyn!find acpi.ko
19:54.49libertad0valdyn, My laptop is not Toshiba
19:54.59libertad0valdyn, I wan disable that
19:55.14dpkgDebian Search of 'acpi.ko' (2 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-k7/kernel/drivers/acpi/{asus_acpi.ko|ibm_acpi.ko|toshiba_acpi.ko}) in base/linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-486/kernel/drivers/acpi/{asus_acpi.ko|ibm_acpi.ko|toshiba_acpi.ko}) in base/linux-image-2.6.16-1-486.
19:55.15valdynlibertad0: so? doesnt matter
19:55.18Hessophanescallee: eval $COMMAND
19:55.26valdynlibertad0: RUN: modprobe toshiba-acpi
19:55.27jlawlibertad0: i have an other idea
19:55.39jlawlibertad0: get a closer look at line 33
19:55.42calleethx, that was what i was looking for Hessophanes
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19:55.53libertad0valdyn, mark1:/home/wilfredor# modprobe toshiba-acp
19:55.53libertad0FATAL: Module toshiba_acp not found.
19:55.58jlawlibertad0: did you - when updating - also install a new kernel?
19:56.07libertad0jlaw, no
19:56.24valdynlibertad0: you're driving me crazy if you are to stupid to copy "toshiba-acpi"
19:56.28jlawlibertad0: then never mind^^
19:56.55libertad0valdyn, :D Sorry
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19:57.21libertad0valdyn, mark1:/home/wilfredor# modprobe toshiba-acpi
19:57.22libertad0FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
19:57.27user121545opa
19:57.32user121545beleza...
19:58.06semboyhello in linux -where do i put the font stuffsss i mean ttf files
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19:58.24valdynlibertad0: ok, your only way to fix this is to fix the  preremoval script then: edit /var/lib/dpkg/methods/fnfxd.prerm
19:58.42user121545como faço pra recompilar o kernel do 2.6 no estilo debian?
19:58.48valdynlibertad0: uh, or fix the init script
19:58.58jlaw!es
19:58.59dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:58.59pipelineuser121545: #debian-br
19:58.59libertad0valdyn, How do it that?
19:59.10user121545ok?
19:59.11pipelinejlaw: portuguese...
19:59.16user121545yes
19:59.18jlawdamn it^^
19:59.35honschudebian testing fscked my harddrive at boottime with error 3, then it rebooted and everything works fine now. But grub is now not the same as before. HOw to reinstall grub? I have a menu.lst. dpkg-reconfigure grub didn't do ...
19:59.35honschuthis.
19:59.45libertad0valdyn, edit  /var/lib/dpkg/methods/fnfxd.prerm ?
19:59.55libertad0valdyn, next steep?
19:59.57valdynlibertad0: put exit into the /etc/init.d/fnfxd script right below 'start)'
20:00.06valdynlibertad0: put exit into the /etc/init.d/fnfxd script right below 'stop)'
20:00.11valdynlibertad0: do what i said last
20:00.17user121545por isso gosto mais do lilo...
20:00.24user121545grub e muito chato -:(
20:01.01libertad0valdyn, that file is null
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20:01.06honschuHi, debian testing fscked my harddrive at boottime with error 3, then it rebooted and everything works fine now. But grub is now not the same as before. HOw to reinstall grub? I have a menu.lst. dpkg-reconfigure grub didn't ...
20:01.06honschudo this.
20:01.07libertad0valdyn, is void
20:01.11semboywhere is the folder for font -ttf tahoma.ttf
20:01.16jlaw!tell user121545 -about english
20:01.27semboyjlaw
20:01.31semboyit worked all fine
20:01.32semboy:P
20:01.40valdynlibertad0: uh, run apt-get remove --purge fnfxd
20:01.41semboybut now i need the font folder :)
20:01.42jlawsemboy: nice
20:01.46user121545no
20:02.08libertad0valdyn, I tryed that but show already error
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20:02.13semboydoes no one knows where is the font folder for ttf ;S
20:02.22user121545my english is ruim
20:02.27cahootsemboy: you sure you have that font installed?
20:02.30valdynlibertad0: tell us the error
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20:02.34honschuHi, debian testing fscked my harddrive at boottime with error 3, then it rebooted and everything works fine now. But grub is now not the same as before. HOw to reinstall grub? I have a menu.lst. dpkg-reconfigure grub didn't ...
20:02.34honschudo this.
20:02.37semboy:P
20:02.39semboynope
20:02.47HoNgOuRuhow can I detect a mouse over an isa hardware ?
20:02.51user121545preciso de uma documentaçao do debian-br -  ou kurumin linux
20:02.53Coweater/usr/share/fonts/truetype
20:02.56HoNgOuRuit is ps2
20:02.57libertad0valdyn, Here http://pastebin.com/730049
20:03.01jlawsemboy: i think most people do not care about it
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20:03.20semboy;S
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20:03.35libertad0valdyn, if I unistall and purge fnfxd show the already error Here http://pastebin.com/730049
20:03.41HoNgOuRu???
20:03.44HoNgOuRuhow can I detect a mouse over an isa hardware ?
20:03.44cahootsemboy: I don't think it's included in the available pkg
20:03.46HoNgOuRuit is ps2
20:04.10semboyOPTIONAL - If you own a licensed copy of Windows you may also add Tahoma which is not present in msttcorefonts. You can install it in your home directory by simply copying it into ~/.fonts.
20:04.17user121545good bye...-:(
20:05.01cahootsemboy: there you go - just pick it up from your win disk
20:05.10libertad0valdyn, help me please
20:05.15semboyi know
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20:05.51HoNgOuRuhow can I install a mouse ps2 with ubuntu? it is connected to an ISA device
20:05.54cahootsemboy: the problem being how to sort out windows?
20:06.02valdynlibertad0: run: 'apt-get remove --purge fnfxd', your pasted stuff had nothing to do with that command
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20:06.38goronIs it possible to a shared Windows printer? What do I need to install?
20:06.41|lostbyte|vin`: I have changed something in pcmcia/bluetooth and i dont know what ?
20:06.47|lostbyte|so i want to revert it.
20:06.50goroner is it possible to print to...
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20:07.08De_Monhrm.. okay so I installed viewcvs, so what's its address?
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20:07.31valdyngoron: a) yes b) /msg dpkg cups setup
20:08.37goronvaldyn: I already have tried option b.
20:08.46valdyn!tell goron -about ask
20:08.51goronvaldyn: I can assure you that it does not work.
20:08.53valdyn!tell goron -about smart questions
20:08.57valdyn!doesn't work
20:08.58dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
20:09.15varshow do i connect to the internet, i am using a mopix elive install cd
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20:09.39libertad0valdyn, here http://pastebin.com/730072
20:09.45libertad0valdyn, is a new pastebin http://pastebin.com/730072
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20:09.57goronvaldyn: I understand your point, but if I knew what would be wrong, I wouldn't be asking.
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20:10.43libertad0valdyn, thax
20:11.13valdynlibertad0: try this ( hack ), 'cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/fnfxd', then run 'apt-get upgrade'
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20:11.42libertad0valdyn, ok :D
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20:11.50petersalu
20:12.07valdyngoron: you need to tell us what you are doing that doesn't work
20:12.13peterya des meufs de 16 an ici
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20:12.25valdyngoron: or get someone to sit in front of your computer and do that for you
20:12.29libertad0valdyn, 2 hours :(, It is upgrading
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20:12.58valdynlibertad0: uh? what is 2 hours? what is upgrading?
20:13.17libertad0valdyn, all the system
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20:13.35valdynlibertad0: so the error seems fixed?
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20:13.49jcolevar plugin = navigator.mimeTypes["application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.5.0_01"]
20:13.50jcole^^^ someone has that javascript in a web page... i have a later version of 1.5.0_06 so it does not work... where can i add this 1.5.0_01 version mime type so it works?
20:14.02libertad0valdyn, no, I need wait the finish of the upgrade
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20:15.12valdynlibertad0: ok, im not waiting that long. after that upgrade, run 'apt-get remove --purge fnfxd' and manually remove /etc/init.d/fnfxd
20:15.37libertad0ok valdyn thanx
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20:17.16jcoleis there something i can add to "about:config" in firefox/mozilla?
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20:19.01valdynjcole: save that single webpage locally, edit it, load it
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20:20.37jcolevaldyn: tried that, it submits a form and validates the referrer
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20:22.15Nebraskai'm right here for a debian ask ?
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20:23.09Dwonisugh, I hate PHP
20:24.20mjk64Can I make "apt-listbugs" show only bugs that relate to stable releases? There is the -T option where you can supply a tag, but obviously, "stable", "testing" etc. are not regarded tags.
20:24.30HoNgOuRuhow can I install a mouse ps2 with ubuntu? it is connected to an ISA device
20:24.39valdyn!ubuntu
20:24.40dpkgUbuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC.  Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here.
20:24.53HoNgOuRuhow can I install a mouse ps2 with ubuntu? it is connected to an ISA device
20:25.07gravityHoNgOuRu: Ask in #ubuntu. They'll be able to help you in there.
20:25.19HoNgOuRuits the same
20:25.22gravityIt's not
20:25.33HoNgOuRuothers distros also fails the mouse
20:25.35gravityHoNgOuRu: They know more about the details of Ubuntu and can guide you properly
20:25.47gravityHoNgOuRu: So please ask in the appropriate forum
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20:26.14goronvaldyn: I printed to the Windows machine and now a task by the Guest user is in the queue, but it does not get printed.
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20:26.24BerryAllenhi all
20:26.27milanhi
20:26.42goronvaldyn: Cups shows nothing in the error log.
20:26.54BerryAllenim trying to install sarge on my new machine, but, after boot (cd) it does not recognize my cdrom drive....
20:26.58goronvaldyn: well it does.
20:27.02goronvaldyn: E [21/May/2006:22:22:33 +0200] [Job 204] No ticket cache found for userid=0
20:27.02goronE [21/May/2006:22:22:33 +0200] [Job 204] Can not get the ticket cache for root
20:27.43dvsBerge: did you try the 2.6 kernel option?
20:27.53dvsBerryAllen: did you try the 2.6 kernel option?
20:27.57BerryAllendvs, yeap...
20:28.09goronvaldyn: I searched Google earlier for this error, but I couldn't find a fix for Debian.
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20:28.19dvs!sarge 2.6.15
20:28.22dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm
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20:28.42BerryAlleni have a ubuntu install too... and it recognize the cdrom...
20:28.50BerryAlleni think i have tis custon install
20:28.53BerryAllenill try with it.
20:29.04jcoleis there a debian archive that includes version 1.5.0_01? i tried to force version but all i see is 1.5.0_06
20:29.17xbmodder_lappytry woody
20:29.25dvsjcole: make your own
20:29.39jcoledvs: java-package
20:29.42goronvaldyn: it's this bug in Ubuntu, but I am now an Ubuntu user... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/39484
20:29.47dvsjcole: exactly
20:29.52gravityugh
20:29.58dvsjcole: the problem is finding 1.5.0_01
20:30.14kspathI am sorry. Did #ubuntu close down today?
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20:30.32jcoledvs: i don't see why i can't just add a mime type for it
20:31.22kspathWhat is the point of having a #ubuntu if it is not used by their users?
20:31.36pipelinekspath: I hope that's a rhetorical question.
20:31.37mjk64Why is there no "status" command for the scripts in /etc/init.d? For instance, SuSE has it for years now.
20:31.47Dwoniskspath: #ubuntu is closed on Sundays, duh!
20:32.10BerryAllendvs, bad news... etch dont recognize the drive too :(
20:32.19kspathWhat is the point of having a #debian if dozens of people that apparently can not read yet run other distributions join the channel?
20:32.20BerryAllendvs, just ubuntu and fedora 5 for now
20:32.28dvsBerryAllen: What? etch beta 2?
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20:32.31goroner I am *not* an Ubuntu user
20:32.45Dwonisheh
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20:33.43Dwonisgah, I need another monitor.  2 isn't enough
20:33.57kspathDwonis: 3 and 4 are not enough either.
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20:34.19DwonisDoes ratpoison support Xinerama, I wonder?
20:34.22pipelinekspath: I didn't realize this channel was intended for debian discussion.  I thought it was about cocks and robbers, being discussed by debian users.
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20:34.36pipelineDwonis: If it doesn't, there's always stumpwm
20:34.56kspathDwonis: ion3 works with xinerama quite well
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20:35.32Dwoniskspath, pipeline: heh
20:36.00kspathpipeline: I do not remember trying stumpwm. I will have to do research.
20:37.27semboyhow do i configure gnome
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20:41.09cahootsemboy: desktop->prefs->font maybe?
20:41.31mjk64Can I make "apt-listbugs" show only bugs that relate to stable releases? There is the -T option where you can supply a tag, but obviously, "stable", "testing" etc. are not regarded tags.
20:41.38BerryAllenalt + f2 , then gnome-font-properties ?
20:42.51MisogynistWhere can I learn about the proper way to build Debian packages?
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20:43.41BerryAllenMisogynist, is that a thing i miss too :(
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20:44.12clarsMisogynist, http://www.google.dk/search?hs=QoY&hl=da&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=learn+build+deb&btnG=S%C3%B8g&meta=
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20:47.19itsmeehmust go today 2 gateway cx200x notebooks brand new in box,  price 600 each message me on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com if interested.
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20:47.33kspathitsmeeh: spam much?
20:48.00pinkyI cannot seem to mount an ISO image I have... "dmesg | tail" returns "Unable to identify CD-ROM format."   It's the third disc in a game (Mafia) and the other two mounted fine.
20:48.04kspathI wonder if itsmeeh [i=itsmeeh@208.181.209.230]
20:48.20pinkyIt's worth mentioning that the other two ISO images are under 700MB but this one is 770MB
20:48.28kspathperhaps itsmeeh [i=itsmeeh@208.181.209.230] should be banned
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20:52.52Roninkspath: all they do is spam
20:52.53semboyHOWTO Configure Firefox fonts
20:52.56nsewhat does LoL means?
20:53.02shogunx!lol
20:53.02dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
20:53.31cahootsemboy: you're not much into exploring the menus of apps?
20:53.37nsei can't see any reason for LoL being a laugh
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20:53.44semboywher can i find fierfox font so i can configure it
20:53.51BigWillyStyle42nse it means Laugh out Loud
20:53.59kspathRonin: "they"?
20:54.09dvsor loser on line
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20:54.39jcolefirefox/pluginreg.dat:15:application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.5.0_06:Java::$
20:54.44jcolefound it thre :)
20:54.56jcolechanged to _01 worked perfect
20:55.00kspathRonin: they? A particular IP block or region or ISP or NSP?
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20:55.18Roninkspath: itsmeeh, all they do is spam that, i havent paid enough attention to see if its the samp ip, isp etc.
20:55.41kspathRonin: maybe the nick "itsmeeh" should be banned?
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20:59.40TEagoM\quit
20:59.44dvs!exit
20:59.45dpkg/quit you fool!
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21:00.42streunerhaha
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21:01.35azetegwhat performance could I expect of Samba in a machine with gigabit nic?
21:01.42azetegusing winxp client
21:01.50kspathazeteg: 5
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21:02.21azetegkspath: ah how informative
21:02.36azetegI have some 20-25MB/s reads, but only 5MB/s writes
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21:02.39azetegwhich annoys me
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21:03.53RalfGhi there, I have a problem with k3b (after upgrade), what channel would you recommend?
21:04.17azetegRalfg: fix the problem
21:04.24azetegRalfG: that usually works for me
21:04.26RalfGv 0.12.12
21:04.28kspathI think I will go to #samba because I want to ask a general question about samba that is not debian specific. Thank you all.
21:04.39RalfGazeem: funny
21:04.42azetegkspath: perhaps I have already done that
21:05.13RalfGazeteg: funny, the problem is that the config tool that is supposed to set the suid flag for cdrecord displays an empty dialog
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21:06.42azetegRalfG: use a less buggy app then
21:06.45RalfGcdrao and cdrecord have to be set to suid for k3b, but its assistend is borken
21:07.01RalfGazeteg: like arson?
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21:07.06xomhauhi all
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21:07.50xomhauanyone , what's programms for chatting Y! beside centericq?
21:07.55xomhauno GUI
21:08.02xomhautext-mode
21:08.10SubStacknetcat
21:08.15johnsu01xomhau: bitlbee + whatever irc client
21:08.16azetegRalfG: like iTunes
21:08.18VasisthaRalfG: you could try #kde or #debian-kde ... I've been known to run k3b as root, although I don't think that's wise policy
21:08.34dvsVasistha: nope, it isn't
21:08.49xomhaujohnsu01: thank
21:08.55Vasisthathing is, I've tended to only do it on a computer with no network connection, mitigating danger
21:08.57RalfGI just need to set suid flag for those apps
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21:09.12OleMoudiany known issue with amarok/dcopserver on testing?
21:09.31dvsVasistha: It's not necessarily hackers getting into your computer.  it's you erasing things you don't want to by accident
21:09.37chealerOleMoudi: try asking #debian-kde
21:09.43OleMoudiok
21:09.48dvsVasistha: or running malicious programs
21:11.13kspathxomhau: apt-cache search irc; apt-cache search chat; naim pork centericq ...
21:11.18xomhaujohnsu01: bitlbee not support yahoo?
21:11.32kspathxomhau: There is a backport of centericq if that is the issue.
21:11.35xomhaukspath: oh,
21:12.33mjk64SSH login to Debian 3.1 PC takes ca. 30 seconds until it asks for the password, but when logged in, speed is 100% okay. Any idea?
21:12.45mjk64Both as user/root.
21:12.54johnsu01xomhau: hm? It supports Yahoo, AIM, Jabber..
21:12.59pipelinemjk64: perhaps the processor is slow enough that key exchange takes a while
21:13.00azeteghow is your resolv.conf?
21:13.17mjk64pipeline: PII-400 - cannot be that slow. :-)
21:13.29azetegif dns lookup doesn't work - it will take approx 30secs
21:13.38mjk64pipeline: And login to a K6-2/300 (SuSE) takes a second.
21:13.46cahootmjk64: set debug on sshd and see
21:13.51mjk64azeteg: Ahaa! Hmm ... lemme check
21:13.59mjk64cahoot: good idea, too!
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21:14.17azetegI'd say 99% you don't have working dns lookup
21:14.33mjk64azeteg: Hm ... ssh test@192.168.2.50 takes ages, too :-/
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21:15.01azetegdo you have working resolv on that?
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21:15.22mjk64azeteg: Well, with the IP address, no DNS lookup should be necessary, or?
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21:15.39mjk64azeteg: DNS is okay on both local and remote machine
21:15.41troubledmkhl: you never know what programs these days resolve :)
21:15.59mjk64troubled: :-)
21:16.23troubledmkhl: in my experience, exim4 and ntpdate hang on boot without dns
21:16.26azetegthats odd then
21:16.46troubledmkhl: but sshd always starts instant with dns out
21:16.51mjk64troubled: yeah, noticed the exim4 lag at boot time already ... (Hey, my nick is mjk64, btw. :-)
21:16.55tuxedupi dont suppose someone could do me a favoure, if anyone is using a british keyboard could they post there xorg config file to pastebin or something so i can take a look because I am having problems setting it up coprrectly in my xorg config file one key is not the correct character
21:17.07troubledmjk64: lol opps, sry
21:17.11mjk64=)
21:17.28troubledmkhl:  my WoW excursion has weakened my typing consdierably
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21:17.51troubledMy left index finger can press 40lbs now thoguh
21:17.57troubleds/thoguh/though/
21:18.13mjk64troubled: =)
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21:18.28troubledmjk64: all you network connections slow?
21:18.44RalfGarson doesn't work either, well, I will retry later
21:18.45mjk64troubled: No, everything perfect. Once ssh connection is established, everything runs fine.
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21:19.31troubledmjk64: so the throughput of your network is normal, just dns issues?
21:19.38semboydoes someone here use wine to play cs
21:19.39semboy?
21:19.51mjk64troubled: There shouldn't be DNS issues, I'm using bare IP addresses.
21:20.03troubledmjk64: static?
21:20.14mjk64troubled: What?
21:20.22mjk64troubled: static noise?
21:20.25troubledmjk64: you said "bare"?
21:20.29mjk64troubled: Oh!
21:20.33Blissexmjk64: there could be reverse DNS resolution going on, even with bare IP addresses.
21:20.34mjk64troubled: 192.168.2.50
21:20.43troubledmjk64: rfc say nothing about bare IP :)
21:20.45mjk64Blissex: Hm ...
21:20.47mjk64troubled: =)
21:20.59azetegdoesn't matter - it tries reverse lookup
21:21.05mjk64That's strange! tcpdump notices *nothing* until the SSH connection is established!
21:21.24troubledmjk64: well, i didnt need to know the ip, but i assume you mean its a private block and staticlaly assigned?
21:21.32mjk64And tcpdump takes ages until it recognizes Ctrl-C
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21:21.50mjk64troubled: That's what I wanted to express precinctly. :-)
21:21.51troubledmjk64: you need a caching nameserver and check your /etc/resolv.conf
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21:22.08troubledmjk64: isp's dhcp usually sets their domain and teh search domain
21:22.09cahootor simply edit hosts?
21:22.11mjk64troubled: Never ever will I install a caching NS again.
21:22.29troubledmjk64: so any unknown host gets like a .myisp.com added to it
21:22.31Dwonismjk64: try the "-n" option to tcpdump
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21:22.47troubledmjk64: ie: ping bob, will try bob.myisp.com
21:22.55mjk64cahoot: hosts already contains an entry for that PC
21:23.05troubledmjk64: but since you dont HAVE working dns setup yet it will lag out
21:23.07mjk64Dwonis: doh!
21:23.20troubledsimonrvn: mornin
21:23.25troubledsimonrvn: err evenin
21:23.35mjk64Dwonis: Thanks, now tcpdump seems to work! Oh man ...
21:23.39Thanashibaexist a way to convert a video in flash to a simple "video format" ?
21:24.02troubledmjk64: caching ns is handy if you use dns. heck, even if your primary dns goes down
21:24.04Dwonismjk64: yeah, if you're debugging DNS problems, you probably don't want tcpdump's reverse DNS functionality turned on :)
21:24.06fourathello all
21:24.16mjk64From the first look, it seems to be indeed a reverse-DNS sshd problem or something ... gotta decode that tcpdump output.
21:24.28mjk64Dwonis: *blush* ;-}
21:24.39Dwonismjk64: meh. it happens
21:24.42mjk64troubled: Hmyeah, maybe I'll think about that again.
21:24.58fouratwhen doing this : iwlist scann, i have "ath0      Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument"
21:25.15troubledmjk64: caching isnt a bad thing, so long as its not usuable as a vector of attack :)
21:25.17fouratwhat's that ? why it doesnt support it ?
21:25.24fourathow can i debug that ?
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21:25.26mjk64troubled: heh
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21:25.35msoosIs kdelibs-dev broken in testing?
21:25.44msoosBecause I can not install it!
21:25.52streunermsoos: check out BTS?
21:25.55msoos(unmet dependencies)
21:25.59msoosBTS=?
21:26.12kspath!bts
21:26.12dpkgbts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/
21:26.19fourat!wifi
21:26.20dpkgfrom memory, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking.
21:26.29fourat!atheros
21:26.32dvswhat about g or n?
21:26.38kspathmsoos: /msg dpkg bts
21:26.52kspathfourat: /msg dpkg wifi
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21:28.45msooskspath, it does not say anything about it or its dependencies
21:28.57msoosit says all are resolved (it's TESTING after all)
21:28.57kspathmsoos: ?
21:29.04msoosI don't use unstable
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21:29.57Mulianhi. i can't play "avi" files with kaffeine. i have installed xinelib1.
21:30.15kspathmsoos: /msg dpkg reportbug    If you want to report it.
21:30.17chealermsoos: ask #debian-kde
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21:31.39msooskspath, damn it's already reported
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21:32.23dvsmsoos: you say that as if it's a bad thing
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21:33.03kspathmsoos: /msg dpkg querybts     might come in handy at some point.
21:33.06msoosdvs, well it's reallly annoying, not being able to install qt development libraries!!!
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21:33.46dvsmsoos: I'm guessing it's unstable because I got it installed for etch
21:34.06Thanashibaexist a way to convert a video in flash to a simple "video format" ?
21:34.33msoosdvs:. no, it's testng
21:34.49kspathThanashiba: apt-cache search flash      else search/research about flash
21:34.53msoosdvs and by the way it is not installabble in testing+unstable+experimental
21:34.59kspath!tell Thanashiba about research
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21:35.39msoosfunny error message: libcupsys2-dev: Depends: libcupsys2 (= 1.1.23-12) but 1.1.23-15 is to be installed
21:36.12Thanashibalol
21:36.16dvsmsoos: what package is that?
21:36.23Thanashibawell... i make a look...
21:36.32msooslibcupsys2-dev
21:36.45dvsmsoos: that's qt!?!
21:36.48msoosand there are others like that too
21:37.04msoosdvs: it's needed by kdelibs-dev
21:37.07_Atomo64_hey, there's no *kernel-patch-suspend2* package but it is mentioned by hibernate... why?
21:37.28msoos_Atomo64_, you have to patch to kernel yourself. I did it and it's great!
21:37.50dvsmsoos: Ok. I don't have that installed.  I guess I just have the Qt tools.
21:38.05_Atomo64_msoos: yeah... but normally I can find the patches in the rep... :S
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21:38.35chealer!tell _Atomo64_ about info kernel-patch-suspend2 experimental
21:38.45mjk64Blissex, Dwonis, troubled: I switched off SSH's DNS lookups with "UseDNS  no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and now it works perfectly! (although I wonder if that's the best solution security-wise)
21:38.59exobytedumb script question: how do I make a script run in the dir it resides in, even if it was run from another dir?
21:38.59_Atomo64_chealer: thanks
21:39.18pipelineexobyte: add a cd command to the top of the script :P
21:39.36fourathow to see if my wifi card support scanning or not
21:39.49exobytepipeline: I don't want the script to know where it itself is (well- depend on it
21:39.51exobyte)
21:40.21chealerfourat: # iwlist scan
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21:41.15fouratchealer, ath0      Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument
21:41.20Dwonismjk64: I would expect that would actually improve security
21:41.21fouratwhat's argument ?
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21:42.08mjk64Dwonis: It would? I thought that DNS lookup would be a kind of double-check?
21:42.18f3d0rgreetings
21:42.27_Atomo64_btw, the other day I downloaded the source of bootsplash (from bootsplash.de) compiled it and installed, and then the one for sysv-rc-bootsplash, but this one didn't work... and now I can't boot with that kernel anymore (it was a kernel that I compiled myself with bootsplash support)
21:42.32chealerfourat: I don't know
21:42.34Gokee2Hey all how do you change a users name?
21:42.47f3d0ri am getting a kernel panic on debian stable...anyone in here who could help?
21:42.47mjk64Dwonis: Also, UseDNS yes is the default, which is a strong indication that this is more secure.
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21:43.13jstr1111hey guys.  My first Debian sarge dvd seems to destroyed beyond repair.  I dont have the resources to by a download a new one and I would like to use a mirror to download my packages.  I've read a bit about setting up /etc/apt/sources.list and i think i have found a local mirror, i was just wandering if some one could quickly tell me how to include it?
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21:43.23jstr1111is this the right procedure?
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21:43.32kspathGokee2: man usermod ?
21:43.42Dwonismjk64: ha.  hahahaha!
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21:44.21mjk64Dwonis: :-}
21:44.22Gokee2kspath, ah ok thanks
21:44.27kspathGokee2: man chown ?
21:44.33mjk64Dwonis: Hey, it's OpenSSH, it /must/ be secure !!!!11
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21:44.40kspathGokee2: just in case you notice something
21:45.00Dwonismjk64: heh.  If SSH *relies* on the DNS for security, which is itself insecure, then it's broken.
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21:45.34Dwonismjk64: and there's always the chance of a bug in SSH's resolver.  If the resolver never gets used, then such a bug could probably never be exploited
21:45.34chealerjstr1111: man sources.list; should tell you. after you edited sources.list, update your APT index
21:45.42mjk64Dwonis: Hm. This sounds logical. But as there are no alternatives to OpenSSH (or are there?) ...
21:45.44kspathmjk64: You are failing to acknowledge that each OS/distribution sets their own default configurations.
21:45.45jstr1111ok
21:45.51jstr1111thanks
21:46.04mjk64kspath: And Debian is secure, /of course/, isn't it? :-)
21:46.07Dwonismjk64: not that I know of.  At least, not that I would trust any more than openssh
21:46.17kspathmjk64: Do you have a point?
21:46.22raf256is there some working, best via-OSS, flash player?
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21:46.50mjk64Dwonis: So I'll stick to it with deactivated DNS lookups.
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21:47.10angasulecan debian be installed in a system with 8MB of RAM?
21:47.24chealerangasule: no. check the install guide
21:47.30angasulethanks
21:47.35mjk64kspath: Hm ... if I (as non-native speaker) decode your sentence correctly: I'm not sure.
21:47.41formorernot with the installer
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21:47.53formorerbut you can get it work in such a system (but I don't recommend it)
21:48.10mjk64kspath: Debian has it's own security policy, but it should default to "reasonably secure", shouldn't it?
21:48.29kspathmjk64: Are you really concerned with security?
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21:49.15mjk64kspath: Depends. After a paranoia climax a few years ago, that paranoia slowly declines ...
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21:53.00denmaethi really need help with DHCP
21:53.16pipelinedenmaeth: well, you're going to hav eto be vastly more specific.
21:53.19benleyheh
21:53.26shadowman:)
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21:53.59jstr1111hey guys another question.  Is there any easy debian way of getting Xorg rather then X86free?
21:54.18gravityjstr1111: /topic
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21:54.29denmaethok i screwed up my system yesterday i think i deleted my dhcp - now i do ifup ath0 i get ifup could not read /etc/network/interfaces - misplaced option
21:54.41Gokee2jstr1111, apt-get install xserver-xorg
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21:54.56jstr1111l33t thanks
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21:55.25shadowmani think dhcp is on routers not on os's but maybe i'm wrong ;-)
21:55.38tarzeau!popcon
21:55.39dpkghmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
21:55.44denmaethdont i need a dhcp-client
21:55.45tarzeaudebconf's over?
21:55.48pipelinejstr1111: No.  And you probably don't want X11R7 if you can avoid it.
21:55.55benleydenmaeth: so um ... you deleted /etc/network/interfaces?
21:56.04tarzeau!qotd0
21:56.04dpkgi heard qotd121 is <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file   <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file  linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 '   <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text   <liable> you idget    <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget   <amorphix> is the name right?
21:56.20denmaethbenley,  no i deleted dhclient
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21:56.28benleydenmaeth: ah, so apt-get install dhclient :)
21:56.36shadowmanlol
21:56.47denmaethi did but i dont think its conf properly
21:56.55tarzeauget version 3 of dhclient
21:57.06tarzeauthe morons use version 2 as default
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21:57.19denmaeththe only way to get on the net is to run dhclient then it will get a ip
21:57.20wutwhere can i find an mplayer .deb?
21:57.24benleyhuh, dhcp-client 2.0 is indeed the default
21:57.26tarzeauwut: on the internet
21:57.33tarzeauwut: but better make your own
21:57.41tarzeaubenley: and yes, it's crap
21:57.41benleywhy the hell is dhclient 2 still the default?
21:57.51tarzeaubenley: because they are stubborn morons?
21:57.55benleywho is they?
21:58.04tarzeaubenley: and it's cool to have 20 minutes no dhcpserver and then see dhclient2 fail ?
21:58.05denmaethi am thinking the dhclint conf is screwed
21:58.07tarzeaubenley: debian
21:58.16tarzeaubenley: whoever made version 2 the default instead of 3
21:58.18benleydebian isn't a monolith.  It is people.
21:58.35tarzeaubenley: well then the responsible people for this
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21:58.39gravitytarzeau knows this but he's just being a dick
21:58.40x0dushey guys
21:58.45benleyI was hoping you'd know who the debaters were.  nevermind... :)
21:58.58tarzeauMaintainer: Eloy A. Paris <peloy@debian.org>
21:59.01x0dusim having problems with my fresh installation of debian
21:59.12tarzeauhe maintains it instead of getting that version removed
21:59.14tarzeauso he's the dick
21:59.22benleyIt's not necessarily the package maintainer who won't push the default to v3
21:59.28benleyanyway, it doesn't matter at this level
21:59.28x0dusbasically I try to load up the X Window Manager, but it says: Fatal Server Error: failed to initialize core devices
21:59.35tarzeaubenley: true
21:59.36denmaethbenley, anyway i get ifup could not read /etc/network/interfaces - misplaced option
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21:59.42benleyx0dus: probably your mouse isn't configured
21:59.50benleydenmaeth: does /etc/network/interfaces exist?
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22:00.09denmaethbenley, yes it does and looks fine
22:00.21Dwonisdenmaeth: indentation matters in /etc/network/interfaces, IIRC
22:00.22benleydenmaeth: do you get any other errors besides that?
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22:00.35denmaethnope
22:00.42x0dushow can I config my mouse, im just at a command prompt at the moment
22:01.20semboyohhhhhhh:@ what is wrong when i do wine steam -i gett this errrorrrrr -> Please Turn Off compatibility mode right -click steam.exe select Properties go to the compatibility tap   un-check  run this application in compatibility mode
22:01.29benleyx0dus: use your editor du jour to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (or xorg.conf if you're on etch or sid)
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22:02.19benleyx0dus: search for the string "CorePointer", and in that stanza make sure it's configured to use the correct Device.  If it's a PS/2 mouse, use /dev/psaux.  If it's USB, use /dev/input/mice
22:02.50x0dusah ok, I just re-read the error message and it says its set to dev/input/mice, what is the command to edit a file please
22:02.51crazy_penguinnight all! // jo ejt!
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22:03.19benleyx0dus: try nano
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22:03.25x0dusok
22:03.27tarzeauor mcedit
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22:03.46x0dusok thanks Nano works fine
22:03.58benleyultimately you should learn to use vi :)
22:05.06x0dusoooh
22:05.12x0dusthanks alot guys, looks like its working now
22:05.12denmaethi pasted my interfaces file in #flood
22:05.16benleyx0dus: yay, have fun.
22:05.24x0dusooh this is exciting
22:06.03x0dusyay some more error messages
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22:06.14x0dusproblem while loading GNOME_MixerApplet
22:06.23x0dusis this applet important?
22:06.30benleyit's a volume control app.
22:06.49tarzeau!qotd0
22:06.49dpkg<Nexus> And how can I recursively shut off the sticky bit?  <Nexus> greycat, Well, because I don't like it. :)  Because I don't fully understand it and have never used it.
22:06.53x0dusah thats not important at the moment, can I install it at another time
22:07.04benleyoh, that's an awesome qotd
22:07.23tarzeau!seen Nexus
22:07.24dpkgnexus <n=thewhat@CPE-61-9-214-171.qld.bigpond.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18d 21h 8m 30s ago, saying: 'what is the best channel?'.
22:07.34tarzeauand a fantastic last words
22:07.36benleyhahaha
22:08.51benleyso, somewhere there exists an archive of debs that were recently in sid/testing but have since been replaced, right?
22:09.51nkuttlerbenley: /msg dpkg snapshot
22:09.55benleyah yes, thank you
22:10.37tarzeaubenley: i'd install it myself from upstream
22:10.47benleytarzeau: I thought that was considered harmful
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22:10.58tarzeaubenley: i always do it like that
22:11.05benleyoh, heh
22:11.06tarzeaubenley: and it always works best
22:11.13matt_Okay... I realize I asked this earlier but I just want to confirm (because apparently I'm rather slow today): can I boot onto a root partition that is running on RAID+LVM without some sort of initrd image?
22:11.30bnovciB  opera    - The Opera Web Browser  --  /usr/bin/opera is aliased to ../../bin/opera but /bin/opera doesnt exist
22:11.37benleymatt_: no, you need initrd to boot into LVM
22:11.39bnovcis this a bad deb package or something
22:11.45tarzeaubnovc: i think so, yes
22:11.57benleymatt_: the reason being that lvm requires some userspace stuff to get started
22:12.06varshey i am getting a RSA key has changed error as i am trying to SsH
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22:12.26matt_benley: thanks, Benley.  So I'm not entirely crazy.... :-)
22:12.55bnovcanyone know a mirror that has opera and netscape on it
22:12.55benleymatt_: the same is probably true for booting to md devices, but I'm not certain
22:12.56varsi can ping both comps, it is asking me to change the key in .ssh/knownhost
22:13.07varsanyone?
22:13.09tarzeaubnovc: why not use a modern browser? say like links2 -g?
22:13.16bnovctarzeau, its for testing
22:13.19matt_benley: I think I've done md without initd, if memory serves
22:13.20bnovcand opera is modern
22:13.26Dwonisvars: don't worry about it.  I'm just haxoring your connection. ;)
22:13.30benleyvars: that's a safety feature - if the remote end's host key fingerprint changed, it might be because someone is trying to do a man-in-the-middle attack
22:13.41benleyvars: if you reinstalled one of the systems or something like that, don't worry about it.
22:13.43matt_benley: but not LVM ... I was just looking for some confirmation there ...
22:14.09varsyeah there is no man in hte middle of my croissover cable
22:14.14benleyheh.
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22:14.21varsso how can i override it?
22:14.34bnovcpackages.debian.org doesnt seem to have opera
22:14.36benleyedit known_hosts and remove the offending line
22:14.39bnovcits listed in aptitude search but not there
22:14.41benleythe format of the file is easy enough to figure out
22:14.48bnovcguess i should compile it from source?
22:14.51varshmmm
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22:15.02matt_Looks like initrd won't work with 2.6.16 because there's no devfs support.  Anyone had any success installing and using either initramfs or yaird in Debian sarge?
22:15.03varsthere is only one line i think
22:15.10benleyI've used yaird
22:15.20benleyoh, but not in sarge.
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22:15.36carlos_delriosup all
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22:16.44carlos_delrioanyone know how i can execute a program through ssh on another computer so that it runs on the active xserver of the user logging in.
22:17.28gravitycarlos_delrio: The server needs to enable X11 forwarding in its ssh_config. Then the user needs to use ssh -x
22:17.32matt_carlos_delrio: ssh -X user@hostname "mozilla" do it for you?
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22:17.58gravitycarlos_delrio: Er, -X like matt_ says
22:18.57carlos_delriogravity, matt_, thanks!
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22:19.09matt_If anyone can point me to a website outlining how to get yaird or initramfs working in sarge, that'd be great.  I've been looking for ages but haven't found anything yet.
22:19.29benleycarlos_delrio: if your ssh has a -Y, you should use that in place of -X
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22:21.59Terinjokeshelp plz
22:22.32matt_Ah.... looks like I found the answer... backports.org....
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22:22.41Gnea!tell Terinjokes about ask
22:22.51Terinjokeskde error after logon
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22:23.36Terinjokeserror about DCOPserver
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22:24.53VelvetElvisnow that debian is running a warez sever, how do I upload cracks?
22:25.35Terinjokesug? any help?
22:25.35VelvetElvisor whatever they call them now.
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22:26.11GneaTerinjokes: i see that all the time, it doesn't mean anything
22:26.31Terinjokesbut it spits me back to login
22:27.20Gneawell, follow the information that dpkg just gave you so we can get to the bottom of this, otherwise, i have NFC what you're talking about
22:27.36Gneaand btw
22:27.37Gnea!kde
22:27.38dpkghmm... kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde
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22:28.04Terinjokesi booting into knoppil
22:28.14Terinjokesto help debug
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22:28.50Gneawell that still doesn't provide any information that could be helpful
22:28.52Gnea!ask
22:28.53dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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22:30.35Terinjokesok i have a problem with DCOPserver, after logining, out put //.DCOPserver_blah.blah.info:_0
22:31.00Terinjokesdebian knoppi.
22:31.05Terinjokesinstall
22:31.20Gnealogging into what?
22:31.25Gneadebian? or knoppix?
22:31.32Terinjokesdebiah
22:31.33Gneawhat's it loading?
22:31.38Gneawhat's debiah?
22:31.56Terinjokessorry on palm, debian
22:32.40Gneaok, but what's this knoppix?
22:33.15jlaw!tell Gnea -about knoppix
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22:34.12Gneajlaw: he said he's booting debian, but then says he's booting knoppix - but not specifying in what order, using what media, using what kernels and so on
22:34.16Gnea!knoppix
22:34.17dpkgKnoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/.  Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian>
22:34.57jlaw!fish Gnea
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22:35.08Gneajlaw: stop.
22:35.09jlawyou asked what knoppix is, so you got an answer^^
22:35.17Gneai know what knoppix is.
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22:35.27jlawso don't ask !-)
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22:35.40Gneajlaw: you don't know me well enough to detect my sarcasm :)
22:35.50EdLin!SDNWOTN
22:35.50dpkg[sdnwotn] Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net
22:35.58jlawaccepted - peace^^
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22:36.37GneaEdLin: actually it works quite well, if you know how
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22:36.55jlawhrm ... i should go to bed so i get 5 or so hours before my informatics final exam -.-
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22:37.08Gneaprobably a good idea
22:37.20jlawsure?
22:37.21alan#debian-br
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22:37.23jlaw!brain
22:37.23dpkgsomething you don't have, jlaw.
22:37.31Gnea:)
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22:37.39jlawhow could someone without a brain have good ideas?-)
22:37.44dudditshello world builder
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22:37.53Gneajlaw: thievery.
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22:38.01jlawwhat?
22:38.08Gnealol
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22:39.52jlawwhatever ... i go to bed and try to sleep ... this will be more difficult than it sounds
22:39.57jlawgdn8@all
22:40.03jlaw!good night
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22:40.59VelvetElvisif there's a dd or anyone offical in the room I want to let you know that i'm offended that sun java was accepted with the current liscense
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22:47.34benleyI see everybody cares what velvetelvis thinks
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22:51.33zood_I can't seem to get a gamepad to work with fceu.  I've tried `fceu -input1 gamepad1 foo.nes` and some other stuff but no luck.  Thoughts?
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22:55.18sexydebianhello everyone , here any1 know how to add to init.d iptables to run as daemon ? i mean to start automaticaly whe i boot the computer ?
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22:55.53benleyiptables is not a daemon
22:56.14benleywhat you want is a symlink from /etc/rc3.d/S##iptables to /etc/init.d/iptables
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22:56.18benleywhere ## is a two-digit number
22:56.36benleyinit goes through the scripts in numbered order, so you can decide how early you want it to start.
22:57.01benleythere's probably some magic script to do that for you, but managing the symlink by hand is simple enough
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23:01.10Gokee2Is there a easy way to find out what pkg provides a command?
23:01.40benleyGokee2: apt-file, iirc
23:01.48benleyGokee2: I usually go to http://packages.debian.org and search there
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23:02.23meneghi, any idea why azureus doesn't close it's down-right poups in kde?
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23:03.17Gokee2benley, bash: apt-file: command not found
23:03.38benleyGokee2: apt-get install apt-file ;-)
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23:05.30Gokee2benley, now it spits out a bunch of options..  :/
23:05.43benleytry packages.debian.org if you're bewildered by apt-file
23:05.46sexydebianbenley how come that example i can make an script on /etc/iptables  and symlink to etc/rc3.d should work?
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23:05.59Gokee2benley, heh ok
23:06.39benleysexydebian: It should.
23:06.56Gokee2benley, heh ok
23:07.01benleysexydebian: read /etc/init.d/README for an explanation of how all that works
23:07.04Gokee2ble
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23:07.31benleyerr ... that may not be as helpful as I had hoped
23:07.38benleybut anyway, the symlink should work
23:07.51sexydebianbenley ok im going to test now
23:08.05benleyGokee2: all you should need to do is 'apt-file update' and then 'apt-file search whateverfilename'
23:09.07Gokee2it takes a long time to update
23:09.29benleyGokee2: yeah it did for me too
23:09.50Gokee2now searching takes longer too
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23:10.05lssHi, I really need to LAN card working on my laptop, but it doesn't tell me the model name. Is there a tool for this?.. Thanks a lot.
23:10.07Gokee2WOW
23:10.26Gokee2It spit out a few pages of stuff
23:10.32Knorriesexydebian: start-stop scripts are located in /etc/init.d, and see the invoke-rc.d program
23:10.34benleywell, there's the information you asked it for :)
23:10.39Gokee2all I wanted was the pkg that provided the command
23:11.38sexydebianhey nothing happends
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23:11.50benleyGokee2: if you pass it -x, you can give it a regular expression
23:11.52sexydebianchain policity emptjhy :((
23:11.56Knorriesexydebian: default runlevel is 2
23:12.01benleyGokee2: or so says the manpage anyway
23:12.09benleyoh crap, I  forgot that debian uses runlevel 2 by default
23:12.14benleymy mind has been poisoned by solaris!
23:12.39Knorriesexydebian: put your iptables script (which can handle arguments start/stop/restart) in /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc.d iptables defaults 19
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23:13.10sexydebianok
23:13.31Knorriesexydebian: so it will be started *before* network-services
23:13.45sexydebianknorrie handle arguments stop /start?  i think that can be troublesome
23:14.13sexydebiancose the scriopt only have input output forward , etc nothing about start sop :(
23:14.35Knorriesexydebian: see /etc/init.d/skeleton
23:15.11Knorriesexydebian: when you put a symlink to a script in /etc/rcX.d, the script is started with `script start` and stopped with `script stop`
23:15.35Knorriesexydebian: so your program has to handle that
23:16.09benleynote that you may just ignore the commandline parameters if it doesn't matter if your script does the same thing at startup and shutdown.
23:16.21sexydebianKnorrie mm  well i have here only rc0.d ------- to rcS.d :(
23:16.29benleyIn the case of a firewall script, it would be nice of it to shut down the firewall rules when it's called with 'stop', but it's not entirely required.
23:16.52Knorriesexydebian: that's alltight, i meant rcX.d == rc1 rc2 rc3 etc...
23:16.55Knorrieallright
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23:17.27sexydebianlet me
23:18.35sexydebianim im etc/skeleton now what
23:18.51sexydebianNAME=daemon i have to reemplace to name=iptables?
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23:19.26fearoffishEvening everyone
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23:19.33sexydebiansame as scriptname =/etc/init.d/$myiptablesscript
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23:20.32fearoffishI wondered if I might get a little help with an init script I have that isn't running, it's very simple, here's the paste:
23:20.35fearoffishhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/cdN3QT72.html (15 lines)
23:21.05fearoffishI compiled lighttpd from source, so if anyone has a start up script that improves on this evil thing I wrote, please feel free to enlighten me with a paste
23:21.16fearoffishI'm not an expert
23:21.29fearoffishAnyway, I ran update-rc.d lighttpd defaults
23:21.43fearoffishIt gave no errors, and I rebooted....it didn't start though
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23:21.54fearoffishSo I ran /etc/init.d/lighttpd start, and it worked fine
23:22.12fearoffishHow would I start debugging this?
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23:22.32fearoffishor have I been really rude, and have asked in the wrong place
23:22.44poetfreakanyone out there recommend a better looking IRC then Xchat for Linux? This thing is just sad looking. :(
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23:22.58Wargodirssi
23:23.07Adriani second irssi
23:23.12chealpoetfreak: which session manager do you use?
23:23.19viatorwhat is the xnetcardconfig package called in debian?
23:23.24amphia third
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23:23.57madd_mattHello everybody!  I'm looking for help on forwarding email.  Irssi is the best.  I have my own domain, and i'd like to set up a wildcard email address that will forward everything into a gmail account.  I suppose i'd use postfix or something for this, but I can't find anything useful on google.
23:23.59poetfreakhmm, I'm on xandros, so it's a hack KDE and I don't know the WM
23:24.38chealpoetfreak: then it's KDE, but you're on the wrong channel. this is a Debian support channel
23:25.38poetfreakyeah I know, it's debian based. I've always used debian but it won't recognise my new laptops wifi card. So have to do Xandros until it I can figure it out :D
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23:26.45Adrian!debian based
23:26.45dpkgYou're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages.  You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions.  See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>
23:27.34madd_mattxchat didn't show that message from dpkg until I highlighted it :s
23:28.33poetfreaksure I do. I have the sources as debian stable. Most work, unless it wants to upgrade the KDElibs because that is what xandros hacked
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23:31.38lsscan someone please help?? need to install my lan card. I've got the correct driver, but don't understand the instructions
23:31.38Gnealss: what lan card?
23:31.41chealpoetfreak: we don't consider you run Debian unless you run something named Debian. anyway, if you want help with your network card, you can try asking, otherwise look for help somewhere else.
23:31.42lssgnea its a via rhine II 6108
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23:31.49Gnealss: is it installed on the system?
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23:31.50lssGnea,   i used modprobe via_rhine and it appears to work
23:31.50Gnealss: IOW, is the hardware plugged in?
23:31.50Gneaoh ok
23:31.51Gneayou're set then
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23:32.06Gnealss: how did you verify that it works?
23:33.27lssGnea,  someone told me to do that and he said "good" when i said it haden'y outputted anything
23:33.43poetfreakno, I've already been that route. 2 weeks, I buy a new card, and I'm debian again. It's okay for now then. Thanks anyway
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23:35.42dfdfhey is is possible to combine 2 internet connections
23:35.48dfdfin order to get more bandidth
23:36.18Gnealss: so you haven't verified it?
23:36.54Gneadfdf: you could load balance
23:36.56lordnazgu1is there an easy way to remove the su requirement from a command.  ie can i make it so that anyone can run dhclient w/o su or sudo
23:37.14lordnazgu1is it possible to just move it from sbin to bin?
23:37.24Gnealordnazgu1: no.
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23:37.40lordnazgu1gnea ok then that solves that problem ;)
23:37.47Gnea:)
23:37.55lordnazgu1sticking with sudo then
23:38.02Gneagood choice
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23:38.40MiescoHow do I see whats in a ISO file?
23:38.41lordnazgu1im guessing that the reverse also holds true.  there is no easy way to require su or sudo for a command?
23:38.50lssGnea,  well, it appears to be working now
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23:39.02Gnealss: have fun
23:39.19jetscreamerMiesco: mount it
23:39.22jetscreameras root
23:39.31MiescoK
23:39.33Coweaterlordnazgu1: take away the executable bit for world
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23:39.49jetscreamermount -t auto /place/to/mount blah.iso -o loop
23:39.53lordnazgu1good idea coweater
23:40.32Coweaterand you can remove the requirement by using the setuid bit
23:40.33Oswynis there an easy way to autoconfigure xwindows? like a script or program
23:40.42Coweater(first question)
23:40.56lordnazgu1excellent coweater thanx
23:41.37Miescojetscreamer:   mount -t auto /mnt *.ISO -o loop
23:41.39nkuttlerOswyn: /msg dpkg set up x
23:41.40Miescojetscreamer:  Like that?
23:41.45VolVEhey all, I added some new HDs to my system and now after I choose when Grub option I want, the system hangs at "boot" trying to find the right drive... how can I figure this out? :-/
23:42.18jetscreamerMiesco: yeah but you don't really want it on /mnt unless you don't use /mnt
23:42.22jetscreamerit will be fine though
23:42.36Miescojetscreamer:  I dont use /mnt
23:42.44Miescojetscreamer:  /mnt: Is a directory
23:42.46MiescoThats what it says
23:43.00jetscreameryes. i mount stuff under mnt though
23:43.12jetscreamerif you don't use it, /mnt is fine
23:43.43Miescojetscreamer:  It says: /mnt: Is a directory, and thats the error
23:44.17jetscreamerit's supposed to be a directory
23:44.22jetscreamerhmmm
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23:44.52Ugly_Duckhow do i calculate 2mbit into kilobyte?
23:45.03Miescomount -t auto -o loop *.ISO  ./tmp
23:45.07MiescoThat works I thinkl
23:45.13MiescoYep, works
23:45.18Miesco.ISO then the DIR
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23:46.02draskohi all. How come there is no package called gmake?
23:46.50johnsu01gmake is just what gnu make is called on some systems.
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23:47.27poetfreak(Mb/8)/8 I think... (Mb=KB)
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23:48.01draskojohnsu01, I have some Makefile, using both gmake and make commands. Can I just replace this gmakes with makes, if it is the same thing?
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23:49.01johnsu01drasko: Sorry, don't know the answer to that.
23:52.03nkuttlerdrasko: it's just make
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23:52.54poetfreakyeah I looked it up. 2MB /8 = 256Kbps (Kilobits) /8 = 32KB (KiloBytes) per second
23:52.55nkuttlerdrasko: erm, just put a symlink for gmake in /usr/bin/?
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23:56.34nkuttlersince when does /8 change from mega to kilo?
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23:59.53delireany ideas why CONFIG_M386=y compiled and installed kernel would give me "i686" with uname -a despite the fact that even modinfo confirms all modules have 386 version magic?
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